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Then we call the roll, please. Councillor Member Beckett Chase Williams is absent, council member district and council member Jim Iyer, district 2. Here, council member Bates Madison, district 3. Here, council member Joe Gavia, district 4.

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Present. Mayor Davis, we have a call. All right. No opening remarks agenda meeting meeting agenda review.

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All right, Mr. Mayor and council members.

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On the, I'll go to the city council agenda and we'll swing back around.

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We're back this year.

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We have a very short city council agenda this evening and I'll just run through that quickly.

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You do have meeting minutes from October 8 both the work session and for the regular council meeting.

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The third item on the consent agenda is to ask the council to please authorise the mayor to execute the contract for be for how we implement plan and economic development strategy.

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That is to enable us to move the project forward so that we can get the public engaged and have a kickoff meeting we're looking at kickoff meeting in early November.

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What I would like to do is we aren't unnegotiating currently the cost for that and I would like to send that back to you all.

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Right now we have a budget estimate that is still being negotiated and not agreed to at this point of $121 to cover the cost of those services and that includes three different consulting firms that are that make up that firm.

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So we're working on that we're looking at the number of meetings looking at the deliverables so that would be the threshold not to exceed but working hard to lower that.

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So we'll be asking you this evening just in an effort to be able to launch this plan to move forward give the mayor authorization to execute the contract.

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That we should be finished with that probably sometime early next week if if not by the end of this week and then once we have that we'll go to contract and that'll be turned over to the city attorney to prepare the contract.

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I'm not providing to me their customary contract which Tom will be taking the look at but in the interim that may be some tweaks to that he may advise us on so.

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This is just to be able to move it along to stay on time with what we're trying to do to be able to deliver the beef or how we improvement plan in the spring.

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And again we're trying not to get too deep into the holidays either because we'd like to have to kick off meeting before that and remember we'll be kicking off the comp plan the transportation plan and the parks and right plan in December.

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So that's that the other item on the agenda the last item agenda is under announcements.

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We have a new formation of a group called the friends of Brookhaven Shannon Cameron who serves on our planning commission has been elected the president there 501c3 and they really are I would call them.

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They almost serve as a booster city booster for the community and are looking for ways to partner with the city one initiative that they have agreed with us to.

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Partner on is to fundraise within the community so that we can purchase defibrillators for each of our police officers so they can have that in their cars.

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As well as additional defibrillators that will be in city hall and in the parks buildings so they are moving forward on this and are very excited to be a part of the.

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Program that we are picking together is that they're expecting to raise 30,000 dollars and we will fund 30,000 dollars to match that through the city's budget.

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You'll be seeing that later on when we get into budget hearings and I'll point that out to you.

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Where we have some community initiatives.

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This is truly a piece of valuable equipment for the police officers.

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So we're thrilled that the community is stepping forward and wants to engage in that there.

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Their participation is only to fundraise.

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The chief will be speccing out what those defibrillators will be.

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They will not be purchasing the defibrillators. They're not going to be donating any defibrillators.

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Their job is just to raise funds.

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Present those to the city we're planning on that during the city's one year celebration.

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Week in December and it's expected that they will present a check to the city.

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So this will be an introduction of Miss Cameron and what the efforts of her group are.

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Friends of Brookhaven and and discussing the launch of their first initiative in partnership with the city.

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And that is the end of the agenda.

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All right.

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I have a question on that the consent and I guess it's a really more requested for council.

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Are we prepared to move forward on number three tonight without.

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I guess I like that.

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I was hoping we'd see more of what the scope of work and deliverables were going to be before we approved this.

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And and without that I'm not comfortable with the kind of dollars you're talking about moving forward.

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This is a consent agenda item.

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Well, I can go over what the mandatory requirements are for the deliverables because that was part of the request for qualifications proposals that they had.

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I mean we were very clear on what the plan would include and what is we're calling mandatory.

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I mean we specified that in terms of being mandatory requirements.

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So I can go over that list for you right now.

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Definitely looking at economic developments strategy developing that.

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Funding sources to stimulate economic development and economic growth, business expansion, corporate recruitment, job creation and retention.

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Housing initiatives and workforce housing and sustainable practices.

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What we expect to come out of each of these requirements will be and in the presentation of the firms.

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We're basically this that there will be a full analysis of the built environment.

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With the infrastructure along be for highway that will be all of the water, the sewer, what capacities are available and and.

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And can be expanded upon for new development the road improvements along be for highway incorporating.

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Those design elements that DOT is now installing but also to take a look at those core intersections that the nodes themselves.

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Where we have the major arterials and collector rows that are emptying into and intersecting with a beautiful highway and to see if there's a way to.

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Except the DOT plans are if there's a way to soften it to allow pedestrian traffic to enter into those sidewalks in addition to the vehicles that are using those areas looking at funding.

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And that's going to include a number of grants I've talked with you about an enterprise own opportunities own you know looking at some tax abatements to incentivize.

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Opportunities for recruitment especially in the employment based side.

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We also want to take a look at and this is in conjunction with the apartment inspection program that we're conducting right now and that is to look at.

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What is the viability of the current housing that is located along be for highway and the type of housing and most importantly the occupant.

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We we have a very high rental occupants along be for highway.

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We wanted to take a look at the ability that if there were some tear downs and taking analysis of what we're finding on our apartment inspections.

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From the standpoint is is there market and could we support owner occupied units whether they're attached or even detached.

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So we're looking at a combination of those as well as examining the workforce housing as you know I'm working with DECAP County and they are providing funds to us and those funds have been committed to us to look at.

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Further incentive program to our owners landlords of the apartments so that we can help them accelerate.

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The code issues that we're finding in the inspections that they can bring their properties up to code.

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Corporate recruitment there will be an identification of all the businesses that are currently there and then a listing of support services and businesses or even the expansion.

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Business is related to the core businesses along be for highway so that we have a real recruitment plan who are we going to try and go after.

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The firm that we have selected has a great history and success rate on identifying even down to the restaurant type.

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That would be able to be supported locating along be for highway so we're excited about that.

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Again this would relate back to job creation and retention you know how do we retain that the Department of Community Affairs has a very aggressive job opportunities program and there's a tearing effect and there's a way that.

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Certain employment taxes can be waived or abated or reduced over time if improvements of expansion of jobs are created and even those that are retained so we're going to be examining and investing in all of those.

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I mentioned already work for housing that we are again looking at a stronger partnership with Decap County housing initiatives and this is not all about you know multi-family attached housing or rent or occupied it's how do we mix.

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Other types of uses and opportunities and we have a number of owner occupied residences that are out that that's at high.

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Many of these apartment communities so we want to look at that and look at opportunities there for furthering those types of housing product.

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Sustainable practices there'll be a listing and recommendations and many of the recommendations that will come out of this will then take us to a next step that will be.

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Enable the plan to be developed that will be a modification of our zoning ordinance it might be development and creation of.

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Standards and practices on streetscape of what we want to see how do we create a theme if you will so that it's it's easily recognizable along be for highway so that there are points of demarcation as you follow along be for highway.

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Whether that street lives or planners or benches and how do we coordinate and work with Marta on improving the bus stops that are out there and how do we provide connectivity.

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There's a lot of discussion in the interviews presentations about the connectivity view for highway back deep into the residential communities tying in the cross keys initiative which is a very strong initiative with Decap County and we'll enable us to.

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Further our participation with them on this first 500 thousand dollars that they're going to be providing to it so.

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I'm very confident on the deliverables that they are listed as mandatory they will be part and parcel to the contract that the city attorney is going to prepare because if they fail to perform they will not be paid.

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So this is going to be a plan that will be shepherd by Susan Cannon and her department because it will come under the umbrella of community development as a tool again when we get to the point of codifying.

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But it will be a valuable tool for the development authority to use as they promote all opportunities.

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For engagement with our development community along before highway. So the cap is a hundred and twenty one thousand.

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I'm working hard to lower that because I think there is some room to trim but I don't see us and nor would I recommend that we exceed that amount.

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The question about the we discussed adding a member of sort of a third member there team.

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The guy I forget his name.

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Senior fellow at the Brookings Institute where we'll thought later and never.

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Yes, he's part of that. He's part of the same team.

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And they're under the umbrella of Princeton engineering urban partners and then the acre.

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Right. Great because I think it's a really fantastic team and I can tell you from having sat in all the interviews for that team that was chosen.

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They've got a tremendous wealth of experience and in their proposal.

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They have a step by step sequence of all of the stages that they'll be going through in this process of developing a essentially a master plan for the Beaver highway corridor improvement.

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So I don't know if we have that document. They're proposal public on the website.

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I don't know if the council has it but it may be something that we can do.

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I'm happy to provide that and those documents all we had nine vendors submit proposals to us and some of the council members picked those up had copies of them and reviewed and I got some input from some of you all.

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The last thing I do want to say about it is that this is a time since the issue and some of the issues that we face even on the zoning decisions we make up here.

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We we're doing we're flying by the seat of our pants and some of the decisions and not having a well-thought out plan before this process will take what four months.

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Four months to develop the results.

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The sooner we can get started on the better.

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That's why I urge moving forward and giving authority to the mayor and Marie to execute this contract when it's finalized.

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Because we are going to have redevelopment opportunities that we're going to have to deal with on Beaver highway as part of this apartment inspections program.

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And the sooner we have a plan to have a well-thought out vision for what how we make the best highest and best use on Beaver highway.

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May I weigh the federal fee? Jim, do you have any more questions about that or any comment about that?

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No, I just, I guess, conceptually, and whether it's just, or others, I just, I still have a problem

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approving things that aren't fully fatted and fully, the contract had been finalized

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and for council to approve something that is not fully complete, isn't it, she would make?

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Well, I think I guess that we kind of trust our city manager to that.

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I mean, if I'm wrong here, I'm going to make sure, but if we kind of give general instruction,

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and then we trust Maria, do what she does, I think that's what we should do.

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But when do you think you will have the final contract?

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Well, it's not so much the final contract, because the final contract will rest with our city attorney.

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It's the dollar amount. All of the deliverables are met.

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This isn't I have already met with the team to go over the meetings that they're going to have,

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the engagement process, and what deliverables will be completed in the 16 week period,

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and even leaving that to when we'll start holding public hearings for the planning commission for the council

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to the point of adoption.

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It's really down to the final number.

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And once I get to that final number, which will either be by the end of this week or

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Monday or Tuesday, no later than, because I need to include it in the budget.

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And that's my issue.

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I have $121,000 in the budget.

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I think that we can get it for less.

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And I think there are ways to trim down that amount without diminishing the end product.

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Once I get that final number, it's a phone call to the town,

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and it's to transmit their customary contract that they use,

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and for him to take a look at it.

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So, you know, a week, ten days, maybe at the most, if it's that long,

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I mean, I'm certain there would be communication back between him and their attorney.

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If they're posting their phone, bring it that.

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My colleague.

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Excuse me, the review would be within a week.

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Yeah, right.

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And possibly quicker than that.

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So, you just want your approval so that that can happen quickly.

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So, the $121 is the case.

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It's the cap.

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I don't want it to exceed that.

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That's what they're at right now.

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But you know, the season, I have both looked at it.

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I do think that there's a way to come down on that.

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And frankly, if it's $80,000 or $121,000,

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the requirements are that they must provide each of those deliverables

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that I just reviewed.

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There's, you know, out on that, or otherwise, we need to go to another firm.

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Which is the firm that we're, the Yager Group, who is in partnership with Urban Partners,

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as well as Cranston Engineering.

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Cranston Engineering has a very minor role.

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It's examining the beef and highway improvements.

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But the Cranston, excuse me, Urban Partners is really going to be doing the market analysis

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and the study of who do we get?

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What should be the incentives or the listing of the types of incentives?

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I mean, ultimately, you all have to make those decisions and recommendations will come from

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the development authority.

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This is just a valuable tool for them to go out and recruit.

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And to be able to say when XYZ Corporation comes and looks for bond

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and disment that this is what we're expecting.

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And it's not just what we're giving away part of this plan on our side.

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We'll be here at the thresholds you have to meet.

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You have to create jobs to get this amount of bond and disment.

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You have to retain these kind of jobs.

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If you, you know, expect to receive any other improvements or assistance.

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So it really will be almost like a business plan model for us to use to promote beef or highway.

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And I think it will give us a great step forward as we look at promoting other parts of the city

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because we'll have the outline to do that.

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We'll just have to tweak it depending on if it's North German Hills or it's Ashford Dunwoody

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or it's Peach Tree Road.

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I mean, we'll have a good exercise in establishing what that framework should be.

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The list of deliverables that you just ran off.

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And you said this, you've talked about a list of meetings and the process.

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Is that in writing somewhere that we could get copies of that?

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Yes, it's still in a draft form because we're going through that.

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I mean, I'm happy to supply it to you, but until we are really confident of what the meetings are

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because each meeting has a certain price to it.

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And I think what we can do is we can collapse some of those meetings and still achieve the same outcome.

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I mean, I share some of Jim's concern of just signing up on $120,000

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because I'm having something more driving in front of me.

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But I like what I hear.

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I hear the need to go forward on this.

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I just want to make sure that we vet it as much as we can.

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We trust you to hear it this fall forward.

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But it's $120,000.

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It is.

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And the budget that I have budgeted is anywhere from $100,000 to $105,000.

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So we're looking at ways to turn that.

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Did I hear that Chris Lymeburg can be part of that team?

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They're part of that.

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He is going to be a consultant to that.

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To the younger.

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Right.

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But not.

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You're not going to see a lot of him.

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It's really internal to their operation of what they'll solicit from him and review and suggestions.

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All right.

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Well, I guess what I'd asked though is if we can.

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And again, this is a question of counsel really procedureally when we get into the mean.

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We can pull this off the consent agenda and add it to the regular so that we can change and add the cap that that

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see manager so that what we approve does have a price tag attached to it rather than just a general approval,

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as it's written in the consent agreement.

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I like that.

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That's fine.

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I like that.

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Just make that motion and we'll get there.

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All right.

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Next.

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Okay.

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That is the council agenda and then we'll go over to the work session agenda.

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Beginning with item E.

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An update on sidewalks and council districts.

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I will be sending to you a list of sidewalks.

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Well, first of all, in the back up.

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You'll remember at the when we had amended the budget.

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I guess six weeks ago now maybe.

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But we're in the next budget season.

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So I'm trying to remember when that was, but sometimes in the last within the last two months.

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In that, I included funds for sidewalks.

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$400,000.

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And that includes enough funding to provide a thousand feet of sidewalk improvements in each of the

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districts.

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And then the mayor also has funding that is available to him, whether to provide yet a new connection of sidewalk or to piggyback off of perhaps one of your projects.

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I have been working with the public work director.

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And as you know, when we were doing the laser truck and looking at all street improvements in the conditions of those roads,

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he also launched review of all the sidewalks.

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And the conditions thereof.

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And he has a grading system.

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Many of the sidewalks that are on that list that have, in his opinion, a sense of urgency that we can connect the dots or that there's a lot of foot traffic in particular areas that we should create a sidewalk.

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He has listed those.

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I want to send those out to you all so that it might give you a good idea.

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But not to keep you within the bounds of that list because you know your districts better than anybody has to perhaps there might be a better location for a sidewalk.

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What we're looking at, and I'll just give you an example.

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I went out to Jim's district and we looked at a segment where it will connect the connects two streets.

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And this particular sidewalk because of the shoulders that are there will require very little work from the standpoint of engineering.

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It can almost just be, you know, footings dug out and you know, bring the concrete and pour it and go.

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So that's what we're looking for because we don't want to get into a lot of heavy design because that will hold up the project.

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The reason behind the funding in the amended budget was to allow you to have some visible impact this year.

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We'd like to make it before Christmas, at least it's going to be well underway at Christmas.

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And so when you see the rankings of this list that I'll send to you for just your review and consideration.

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It will show, you know, how many feet are there and what the estimated cost is?

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Is this new sidewalk or?

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This would be like new sidewalks.

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It could be repairs.

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And it's up to each of you on what you would like to do, but what you're finding.

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What what what mess this is there already a separate budget to for repair of sidewalks.

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Yes, we have that.

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So for some of these people doing that.

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Okay.

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Also for the 2014.

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This is just a one time deal that we wanted to do something to give something back to the public through the host tax dollars.

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And it is permissible under the requirements of host.

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It is infrastructures improvement.

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So we thought we could get out very quick very early and have some demonstration of work being done.

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And to be able to provide you a way to answer another calls and request that you get from your constituents on.

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What about this missing gap?

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It doesn't have to be a missing gap.

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It could be an extension of what's already there.

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And maybe we create yet a missing, you know, another gap by the extension of a sidewalk.

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But that's good too because they'll fit into our plan for improvements.

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I'd like to see this as and what you'll see it in the 2014 budget.

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I'd like to see this as a customary budget and item that gives you the ability to do something in your particular districts as we do something.

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So we're really excited about it.

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What we're going to do is have a bid process that will be on a pre unit basis.

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We're looking at a lump sum.

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You know, just X,000 of feet of sidewalk.

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What width?

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We're looking at a minimum of five feet.

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But again, it just depends on where your sidewalk improvement will be.

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And Jim's district, and he and I'm not talking about this, but when I went down the hill,

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I'm looking at it more closely.

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We've got a catch face in top that we've got to address, but good news is,

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that's just the top.

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We don't have to fool around with the basin itself.

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So, but it might be a few of those things.

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Another example in his area, there's a very short stretch where we'll probably have to put a retaining wall in and some handrails.

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But the majority of that area, and just again, to give you an example,

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doesn't have to fit within your guidelines for your particular district.

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But his is literally digging out six inches, forming it and pouring.

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I mean, that is a few days project.

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I mean, which is why I'd drag you over there to look at it.

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And thank you for taking the time.

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Yeah.

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And we already bid it.

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I mean, so that once the list is approved, we can begin construction.

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Where are we with that?

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Well, what we're trying to do is just waiting.

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Is he here?

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There he goes.

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As any engineer, he's very eager to get started.

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And he has his priority listing.

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But he understands that this is your priority.

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And we will bid these out.

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How we package him depends on the sections.

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And, you know, whether we are going to need some level of plans or details.

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But also, you know, the preference would be to unacospid him.

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You know, per cubic yard of concrete or square yard of concrete.

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When you put a handrail, so curb and gutter.

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Those kind of things we have to look at to see when we.

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In each of these sections.

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You know, like in the section, she's talking about with yours.

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We don't need to do curb and gutter.

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But we probably need to do handrail.

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Uh, erosion control items are a thing.

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We still have to follow erosion control guidelines.

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You know, grassing even just the cost for grassing afterwards.

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Things like that.

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So there's lots of free points for author.

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You can reuse some of that.

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Yeah.

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So those are things.

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You know, the idea would be to do a more of a unit cost that way.

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If we're only paying for what we actually put in.

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Do you have your list up and can you meet with counsel beginning when?

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I'm available.

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You know, I've been I think Maria's asked you all to get with me.

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And so I know my calendar, both tomorrow and Thursday is pretty wide open as far as

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if, you know, and I think she's directed that.

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It's okay to meet with me on this issue.

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So counsel, I would strongly encourage you to meet as soon as you can because it's November.

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Weather changes.

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And it's going to take a little bit of time.

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So we want this in by the end of the year, which I do.

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You know, I'd like to see this white new concrete in throughout the city by the end of the year.

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Please take the time this week or early next week to get with Rachel.

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So that we can come up with a final lesson.

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You can do what he needs to get it installed because it.

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It's a relatively easy project, but it's not going to happen overnight.

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Just simply because of the hopes that we have to jump through to get it done.

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Richard, you report on the sidewalks just to clarify.

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I'm going to chose the status of the condition as they stand today.

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Plus where the gaps are.

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Mainly this list that she has is mainly the gaps.

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I mean, there's a couple on them where when we did it, we just kind of listed like

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Dresden and North Florida the two where we just said general sidewalk repairs.

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But I didn't I was focusing more on new sidewalks.

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So most of the detailed ones on the list or where there's gaps in the sidewalk anywhere from 400 to 1000 foot.

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Try to pick ones that were things that could be relatively easy to build.

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Although there are some really difficult ones are going to need some real detailed survey and engineering in order to build those segments.

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But that but in those are reflected somewhat in the cost to when you see the costs.

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You know, though I kind of took a stab is okay, this one's going to need a little bit more work.

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So I'm going to bump the cost up a little bit on that.

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So when you look divided out on a cost per foot or cost per 1,000 foot,

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it's you're going to get a higher cost per foot for some of those.

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So this list is where?

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Okay, great, thanks.

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Is there a, Richard is there a standard for the entire city that we can look at for what the handrails will look like.

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And, you know, sometimes concrete has a gray shade to it, or, you know, is there a similar?

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The simple detail would be used with a Georgia DOT detail for handrails, which is a kind of a, I guess, it's a deal into the half-two line pipe rail.

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It's basically pipe rail, which I guess it's about four foot high and it's got a pipe rail in the middle, and it's got, I think, I can't remember, it's like four to five foot, post every four to five feet.

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It's kind of a standard for just a kind of standard generic can rail, and that's usually like aluminum, he kind of aluminum steel, the gray coating of it.

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I mean, if we wanted, there are other places that get in, of course, it gets into a cost thing, where you get into, you can spec that if you want it green or black, instead of the, you know, where they can do that, obviously there's going to be a more expensive cost.

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We haven't developed a standard, I mean, you know, it's got, some is going to depend on what the costs we can adhere to, and we only put handrail in where the slope drops off right behind the sidewalk, we do have to put the handrail into it is going to be a requirement.

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I mean, if it's not going, I don't think there's going to be a lot of handrail or Brooklyn, but I'd like to see where, you know, what the options are.

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There's something that's a little better, they're nice for looking at more, it's definitely pleasing just to see what the cost benefit would be.

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We could do that, we could do that, I had a, you know, I knew we had to put handrail in, I hadn't gotten into some of those details yet, as far as that goes.

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And we want to be sensitive too, as to, you know, where the sidewalk is, if there's already some kind of decorative finishes, or we want to mimic that and repeat that, we don't want to come into something that's so different.

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You know, where Jim is on his project, you know, that really will be perfect, they'll fit perfectly in the environment and what's so nice there, we're not going to have to ask for slope lessons from anybody because it's ours.

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It's cheap and easy, we're roaders, but I would weigh.

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Yeah.

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But you do understand that the sidewalk survey map isn't fact on our GIS system.

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The existing sidewalk, there is a layer where all the existing sidewalk is shown on our GIS.

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And so you could pull that up and look at, it will tell you where there's existing sidewalks.

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And that was how one of the ways we used to identify where the gaps are, because you can easily see if you're going along.

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And mainly, I looked at the more, obviously, more major roads in the city, not getting into the neighborhoods that much, with that list, it took kind of fill the gaps on the main road to the city.

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But that where that is shown, there is a layer that you can pull into the GIS map that is at the sidewalks.

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That covers from your survey.

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Yes, from our survey, yes.

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Is there a weather aspect to, is there a temperature cut off of how we can fork it?

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For concrete, you got a lot more leeway with concrete.

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Yes, if we had, if our high is only getting into the 30s, it would be, which is not that common here.

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We can do sidewalk construction in the winter time, because it's the, even rain, I mean, if we don't get sustained rain,

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the area that makes it difficult with the cutting grading or anything, but it's sporadic rain.

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You can even pour concrete relatively easily in the rain too.

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So it's, we're not as sensitive to weather in the winter time with sidewalks as we are, we say, resurfacing.

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What about crosswalks in the part of this?

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I'm not a part of this.

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My intent is to include where, where the sidewalk segments touch,

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existing roads and crossings is to also include ADA upgrades on all the corners that affect it, and crosswalk,

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striping, upgraded crosswalk, striping, and all the crosswalks for all the corners, all the legs that, that touched you.

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So if we did an intersection, you know, for example, one of the ones on the list that I have is northeer, it heals in front of crosskeys high school.

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That touches the intersection with northeer and Curtis and northeer with north cliff valley.

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The intent would be on all four corners of those intersections to upgrade the ADA and upgrade the crosswalks while we're doing this.

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What about a little bit out of the preview of this, but my intent is to come back to you on the Woodwood Elementary School,

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and we also need flashing lights for notification of crosswalks right by the sidewalks.

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And as well as maybe a ribbed road around the curb to, and alert drivers, you know, there's a dangerous curve.

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That's kind of what I was interested in, you know, enhancing the crosswalks we have or, you know, where is that?

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How about if we just use these funds to maybe do a project and if the cross is over?

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Correct.

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Yeah, we could look at, I'm sorry, you're allotted a certain amount per your district.

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So if it can capture that, then absolutely, we can do that turn key.

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The mayor also has funds.

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And he is, you know, going to select an idea from site, but if there's any money left over, those money's then could be made available to, you know, and working together.

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We're hoping that perhaps where your district ends or sidewalk ends, that maybe there is cooperation to pick it up and continue it on,

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so it becomes a longer segment.

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And there are some opportunities on the list to do that, especially where you share borders.

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You know, the road, you might be able to get a lot of bang out of the buck there.

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So that's why we'd like to sit down with you and go over that and happy to go out and walk it and take a look at it.

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Because, you know, well, the mayor has already told me on this favorite councilman song for you.

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I did these on that money.

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The park funds.

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The park funds.

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The park funds are also, that was part of the amended budget.

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Okay, so there's a difference between that and what we're doing in 2014.

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There's $200,000 in that.

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And that is set up so that you and I will review any requests for funding.

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And that can be, and I'll give you a little bit of history of why that's being set up that way.

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And talking with a couple of the friends of certain parks in the community.

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In the past, they've been accustomed to filing park pride applications or filing to the county for assistance.

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And there is a gate fee to be able to belong to park pride.

410
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But there's no guarantee if you pay that fee that you will even be considered for an application.

411
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:19,000
And I felt that, you know, going through that exercise for the community and not having assurances that they would even receive anything.

412
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,000
And of course, the gate fee would have to be paid by the city, which I think was $15,000.

413
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Wouldn't that money be better served in making an improvement in a park that the community could enjoy.

414
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,000
So in talking with these, there's a couple of different friends groups that have,

415
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
we're preparing themselves to make applications.

416
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:45,000
They have continued that and are readying that to submit to the city along with, you know, your suggestions as well.

417
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:54,000
You know, what you want to do, and then we'll review that and then make a determination on where we can not only afford that improvement,

418
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,000
but how quickly can we see it come out of the ground so that the community can enjoy it.

419
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,000
And that's another recurring fee that I hope the finest structures listening that I want to build on each year.

420
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:11,000
So that, you know, we'll have our own park improvements, our own capital improvement plan that will get out of the parks and recreation master plan.

421
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,000
But I still want to set up a separate fund where we can launch quick projects.

422
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,000
The community can see them quickly and be able to enjoy them in a short order.

423
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Well, we need to know from some of the friends groups or what areas in their parks they'd like to see.

424
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Some of us have been looking at parks. I've been asking around and I'm looking for both athletic and the natural side.

425
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
And I've gotten a few ideas and I know there's obviously a lot of activity at Broward Park.

426
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Sure, there's some stuff at Asher Park and Blackburn, but we need to know.

427
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,000
So we get a council's got to sort of ask around too.

428
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Have you been asking anybody?

429
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Well, just a 10 or 15 thousand dollar project.

430
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Right. The concern I have is there has been discussion among some of the friends groups or just park people of, like,

431
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
painting a pavilion, repairing some things.

432
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
And it seems to me that that's the kind of thing the city really ought to be doing.

433
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Or might come on, you know, will eventually, we might even replace some of those pavilions that are rotten and whatever.

434
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
So I almost hate to encourage them to spend their money on something like that.

435
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
So I would hope that we would.

436
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Well, what I've been asking is identify a project that we can match funds with y'all on and then we'll see if we can move forward.

437
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,000
But I just don't want to make an improvement to a park that really nobody cares about or wants.

438
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,000
And I want to, you know, I want the neighbors to kind of tell us what they want to see or what project they can.

439
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
And it doesn't have to go on that.

440
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:47,000
I was just going to say, we've got to be careful that we don't do something that's going to be in contradiction to what that master plan is going to show and what those capital improvements are.

441
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Well, this money's going to be spent this year there, right?

442
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Right.

443
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
I don't want to carry that over.

444
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
I'd like to see some improvements this year.

445
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
And again, that's.

446
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
So we don't have a master plan yet.

447
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,000
I mean, there got to be some things that can improve the parks in a basic manner that people will.

448
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Well, you know, there's some examples of taking down the raise of wire on offense and making some improvements or creating more of an improved gateway or an entrance.

449
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:24,000
It could also be, you know, dressing up some of the playground equipment that, you know, something that's already there that needs to be replaced.

450
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:32,000
That would not be out of character work to what could come about through the engagement of the community and creating this master plan.

451
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
So it's, it's those sorts of things.

452
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Rebecca's right.

453
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,000
You don't want to go in and fix up a billion that really should be torn down, but you might want to replace it.

454
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Or you can do some of her sidewalks in a fall.

455
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Or you can use for sidewalks or replacing that in cages.

456
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000
I mean, there are trails.

457
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000
There are lots of things that can be done with the funds.

458
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
And it doesn't necessarily have to be depending on, I guess, of course, on the project size.

459
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
And again, this is limited money.

460
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000
It's not a lot.

461
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000
But it doesn't necessarily have to be a project that requires a match.

462
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
It could be a $15,000 project and we could handle that.

463
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
What amount of money are we talking about?

464
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
I have 200,000.

465
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
I wonder if it would be helpful.

466
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:19,000
If we would identify just like you said, the raise a wire or some other projects that we could suggest to them.

467
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:26,000
They may not think along the same lines as we are, so that we don't do all the things we just talked about.

468
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Right.

469
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Exactly.

470
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
And I'd like to, you know, solicit that from your Mr. Gabby.

471
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
We just got to know.

472
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Mark and his, in his district.

473
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
So, but there are some efforts.

474
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
But there's a dare-what-touse that's for sale for $15,000.

475
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Or they can tear down and make an acre park.

476
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
I hope that we'd like to get.

477
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000
How much is it?

478
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Let's see how much it is.

479
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Well, thanks a question.

480
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Can you give me any update on where we stand with the Cap County School Board and try to do a land grant?

481
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Yeah, sure.

482
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Because once that's done, I'm not going to have any trouble.

483
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000
I know you aren't.

484
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:05,000
I will tell you, I did have a meeting with them last week, and they were not as cooperative as I had hoped.

485
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:19,000
They basically requested that they get a full plan on what exactly we intend to do when I asked for copies of the site plan.

486
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:25,000
They said they were available down the hall, but they didn't know if the guy was available to provide them.

487
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:34,000
So, where I am right now is they said that this would have to travel all the way to the school board for final approval.

488
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,000
What I want to be careful of, especially in your district, there was mentioned made that there are

489
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Splospons that they are intending to use.

490
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
And I said, well, I'd like the list of the couple improvements that you're planning to make.

491
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000
And they suggested that we visit the website to look at that.

492
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:57,000
So, what really needs to happen is you and I need to sit down with the principals and find out what's going on there.

493
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,000
The school, according to them, is heavily used.

494
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,000
But there was no familiarity with where it was.

495
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,000
So, there's a lot of opportunity there.

496
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:23,000
I think what we need to do is I do want to contact Mr. Thurman's office so that he understands that there's a level of seriousness from us that we'd like to do something.

497
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,000
But there needs to be a conversation with the principals.

498
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000
I think it's a good Marshall involved in this too.

499
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
You all know what we're talking about here.

500
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Well, the idea is to do a land share agreement between city of Brookhaven and the Cape County School where the city would have the right to use the land on course keys high school as a park during weekends.

501
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:54,000
And then that would allow us to make necessary improvements in the park for situation.

502
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
I think I've let it feel behind the screen.

503
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
I'm talking about athletic field.

504
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
We're talking about everything.

505
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Lighting, track, putting in, you know, the preparing the field for soccer play.

506
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Things that, you know, for weekend.

507
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000
We can't use.

508
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Is the why not participating?

509
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Didn't they have a program where they were?

510
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
No, I think that was turned over to Crossfire.

511
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Wasn't it?

512
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Was it at a time court?

513
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,000
At a time court?

514
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Yeah.

515
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Okay.

516
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Concord.

517
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000
And they were actually hand in the baseball field.

518
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
I'm not mistaken, which was down the road from Woodward.

519
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,000
But, you know, where we're in a dire situation with.

520
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
No funding at all being put into that school for the most part.

521
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,000
So this was good way to not only bring it to the community.

522
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000
And allow it to be used as a park, which would be the first park in the fourth district.

523
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000
But at the same time, we could be making some very valuable improvements.

524
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,000
That would not only benefit residents from a park standpoint, but also the students from a school standpoint.

525
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
They'd have a double whammy.

526
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Is it just that soccer field has lighting field behind Cross Kings that you're talking about?

527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,000
As I envision it right now, we could also include that I need to get a further understanding of what's going on with that baseball field, because that could be a key area for activity.

528
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:23,000
But Murray, we will talk on this. I would like to work with you putting that proposal together, finalizing it, and also working with the school to find out what kind of commitment they have for those on weekends.

529
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
I don't see anything ever really going on there when I go by.

530
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:32,000
If you get Superintendent Thurman, I wouldn't, I would just have a Marshall, I don't have the superintendent.

531
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Yeah, and that's well, that's where I started and then was directed from his office.

532
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Exactly. That's what I was just telling the city attorney was a courtesy call.

533
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:53,000
And so I'll go back to that. But just for the record, you know, what we're talking about is a joint use agreement, but it is not for a fixed term.

534
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,000
It is for and perpetuities. We're talking about city of Roswell does a great job doing that with their schools.

535
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,000
And in fact, they do a fabulous job with that. And really I've said the example.

536
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:19,000
And I explained that to the script that I was talking to, that's what we're trying to do is to enhance and be able to use their more custom to dealing with a lion CA on a one year fixed term agreement that you come in and you provide soccer.

537
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000
And that's just what they understand.

538
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Learning curve forever.

539
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Exactly. So, you know, and fairness to them, you know, we want to give them an opportunity to benefit from our interest in doing something there.

540
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:41,000
But we do need to be wise to what their splost intentions are because we don't want to provide something that the citizens are paying for that they need to perform and where we can enhance that.

541
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,000
We certainly can and how we can make improvements that everybody can benefit from.

542
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,000
I saw a, just sort of, it's not an own part.

543
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,000
I saw a post on the book given post about basketball leagues at Linwood Park.

544
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Is that something that the Eric knows about?

545
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Yes.

546
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Yes.

547
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,000
All right.

548
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,000
And I guess I'd like to get with Eric about maybe some things he sees that, you know, I'd like to do in concert with him.

549
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Because we have $200,000, although it's not a lot of money, it's more than, and they've been having in the past and

550
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,000
you know, with 11 parks, you know, we could probably do something in every park or a little bit more than some of the big ones.

551
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
I just think that they all need to be addressed.

552
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,000
And there's got to be some desire, some ideas from some of the communities that surround these parks.

553
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Hey, we'd like a water fountain, or we'd like a bathroom, or we'd like a, you know, a fence, something.

554
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,000
But we have to know that and we need to know it quickly, just like the sidewalk program.

555
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Right.

556
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:52,000
I can tell you that the Murphy Canler Conservancy, one of the first things they did was put out a poll and ask people what, what that thought was needed in Murphy Canler.

557
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,000
And so they've, they've actually collected some pretty good numbers and I was interested in the fact that.

558
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Besides the erosion on the lake, which is a constant concern, probably outside the purview of this, there's no bathrooms on the west side of the lake.

559
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,000
And in fact, if you have an event over in one of those civilians, you have to agree to rent a party John or something.

560
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:21,000
So it could be that maybe even something like that, of course, that that might be more expensive than we could have more of when she didn't have plumbing and.

561
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,000
So worse and stuff.

562
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,000
But I know for sure that they've done an assessment as well.

563
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,000
I'd love to see that.

564
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Yeah.

565
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Doug and I.

566
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Progress.

567
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Because time is of the afternoon.

568
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Right.

569
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Yeah.

570
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Yeah.

571
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Do we have, do we have an electronic PDF copy of the governor's commission report on Parks and Recreation?

572
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,000
I don't think so, but.

573
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,000
I'd be mailed one of there.

574
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
You know, I'm trying to say trade.

575
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000
You've got, you've got there report on the website.

576
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Great.

577
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
On your website.

578
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Great.

579
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
Okay.

580
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
You know, I think that way to go, way to be on the spot.

581
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,000
The reason is, I think into the mic, please.

582
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:17,000
The reason is that I know a lot of those things were part of the discussions and that you've got a lot of active citizens.

583
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
It's all.

584
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,000
And got very engaged in that process while we were all knocking on doors.

585
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:29,000
These particular, you know, and that reports all the parts of Rec people putting forth their ideas.

586
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
So it's a good starting point for us to look at.

587
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:48,000
And the second thing is that, as we, as we move down the path as a city to get to this point where we're, you know, reinvesting into the taxpayers money into their own city and choosing the areas for sidewalks of Parks improvements.

588
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:55,000
I'd like the communications department to, to consider as the website street balance.

589
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:12,000
One of the things that we've talked about is figuring out a way that we can have an electronic dashboard through our website that actually provides an opportunity for citizens to sort of give those opinion polls.

590
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:32,000
But how do you, you know, how do you think we're doing as a city, what, you know, maybe we pop up different surveys that we can sort of train our citizens that this is a good easy point to go to for our city to provide feedback to us that allows us to make better decisions.

591
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Just, I know in the website redevelopment, I think it'd be nice for them to have that consideration back there.

592
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,000
I think that's a good idea and something that we'll want to solicit.

593
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:55,000
You know, we need to provide all sorts of venues for the community to make comment and we're getting ready to launch now four plans.

594
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,000
And we're going to be engaging the community, but it needs to be more of an outreach than just come to this meeting.

595
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:08,000
If you can't, we still want to hear from you and maybe that is the vehicle that they do it through is, you know, here's where we are.

596
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Almost like chapters, if you will, this is the chapter we're on and what we're doing now in the comp plan or the rec plan or the transportation plan and get, you know, some of that, that input.

597
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,000
You know, my biggest concern is, you know, it's not a lot of money, $200,000.

598
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:36,000
I think the criteria should be, you know, what is the quickest and most visible impact and usage that the community can receive out of this improvement without taking away from the efforts of the committees that,

599
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:51,000
that launched the survey of recreational, you know, needs and be able to engage the public again now that they're, they're here a year with us too as a city residents and what do they see and what would they like.

600
00:51:51,000 --> 00:52:02,000
So, you know, the goal is, I think, you know, and if we can just be a little bit patient on this, I think what we can see is, you'll see a quicker launch of the sidewalks.

601
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:10,000
But we, and completing those sidewalks, we have the ability to complete many of, you know, the sidewalks that should be coming up with.

602
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Hopefully we'll be able to complete some of the park improvements, but the goal is to have every one of them under construction and some way or form so that we can see that.

603
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:34,000
And hopefully we make it to the end of the year with all of them, that's certainly that's going to be the priority, but some of them may be a little bit larger and may carry over a few more months, but they'll be funded out of the 2013 budget.

604
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,000
So, speaking of visible improvements are open where are we on signage for the city.

605
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Signage on the city is being worked on between communications and public works.

606
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,000
The road works, the road works that's doing it or who's the fabricator.

607
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Right.

608
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
The color.

609
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:02,000
And those designs are going to come back before the council to take a look at and we'll bring those back in a work session.

610
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,000
So you all can see what's the time for them on that.

611
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Are we talking about in the next council meeting or.

612
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Okay.

613
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Great.

614
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Okay.

615
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,000
All right. Thank you.

616
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000
Next.

617
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Okay.

618
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Update on the budget process.

619
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
You all are going to be experts.

620
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
By the end of this year.

621
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Okay.

622
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:33,000
This is your third go at it and I'm excited about what the 2014 numbers are looking like.

623
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,000
This report is not to go into the details of the numbers right now, but just to go through the process for you.

624
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,000
I would like to stop these times with each of you if you could plan from 45 minutes to an hour.

625
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
So that I can sit down go over the budget.

626
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
It is still a work in progress.

627
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,000
I do want to come back to you all and I haven't even said this.

628
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Discuss it with our city attorney early on in the formation of the city.

629
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:05,000
There were a number of policies and ordinances that were being presented many in a in bulk.

630
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:16,000
And one of them was the requirement that the budget be provided and made available to the public 60 days prior to the adoption date.

631
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Well, that makes it a little difficult.

632
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Especially our fiscal year is January to December.

633
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000
You know, revenues are starting to come in with tax dollars.

634
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Host is always a moving target and so we're trying to get our numbers on that.

635
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:35,000
And we also have vendors and their contracts parallel the city's fiscal year.

636
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,000
And so that requires negotiating or rebitting.

637
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:45,000
So with all of that said, I'd like to come back very soon with an ordinance because it was adopted.

638
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,000
I thought it was a policy, but it was an ordinance that requires a 60 day notice.

639
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
And that is in conflict with your charter.

640
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,000
The charter says it has to be presented 30 days prior to the adoption.

641
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:03,000
So I would like to go back and not during this process because we're going to follow you know the process that we've established.

642
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:10,000
But for next year, I want to be sure when we've got more time to be able to look at some of the numbers that have been moving targets.

643
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
So we'll we'll be coming back.

644
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
I hope that we can do that in November.

645
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,000
That's my plan and that will be for the 2015 budget cycle.

646
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,000
However, getting back to where we are right now for 2014.

647
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,000
We have scheduled November the 12th and the 26th as public hearings.

648
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,000
That will be your council dates, your regular scheduled council meetings.

649
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000
So we'll have a separate public hearing to go over the budget.

650
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
We are looking very good.

651
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
In fact, we're just a little bit higher.

652
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
We've exceeded what the Coral Vincent Institute expected and projected for funds coming in.

653
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
We have a lot of expenses too.

654
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:54,000
So we will hear that twice in public hearings and then on December the 10th.

655
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,000
We'll be your decision date and that is also a council hearing date.

656
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
So we'll have that as an agenda item.

657
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:09,000
If you feel like we need a third public hearing, we can do it on that night and then move forward to adopt the budget.

658
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,000
So I will be reaching out to you all to sit down and meet with you.

659
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,000
I'll have Bonnie with me so that we can go through the numbers.

660
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Tell you the origin of the numbers what our expectations are.

661
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:29,000
And if you will be patient with me, the number on administrative services which are the vendors.

662
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,000
You know, that's still a member that's being refined.

663
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000
I'm negotiating with the vendors now.

664
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,000
I have one more.

665
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000
One left to do tomorrow.

666
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:44,000
And then there's another round of meetings that I will have with them to fine tune those numbers.

667
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:51,000
And hopefully we'll be able to do that in an negotiated setting versus bidding them out.

668
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,000
But I am prepared to bid them out as well.

669
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,000
So I'll go over and great detail what that is.

670
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,000
I'll be talking to you about some of the expenditures that we're expecting in each of the departments.

671
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Some of the departments are growing.

672
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:16,000
And I'll explain to you why and what the reason behind that is and why the need is to have certain revenues in those departments.

673
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,000
We're going to go over where your actual revenues are coming from.

674
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:26,000
And what we think, you know, for 2014, you know, these are very conservative estimates.

675
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,000
They could change.

676
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000
We're hoping they'll go up.

677
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,000
But we're trying to at least come in with a figure we have some confidence.

678
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,000
And so that's where we are.

679
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,000
And like I said, I'll be getting with you very soon to go over that.

680
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,000
And you'll be getting updates as this gets refined.

681
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,000
So that one you can have some input where you see some adjustments.

682
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,000
I want to hear what that is.

683
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:58,000
And then continue having some dialogue as we move through the process of these vendor greeners.

684
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,000
That's that's one of the biggest matters that has to be addressed and then finalized.

685
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:12,000
I'm hopeful that within the next two weeks we'll have that finalized or I will inform you that we're bidding it out.

686
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:17,000
Whatever service that might be.

687
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Let me see if there's anything else I want to.

688
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,000
So in two weeks you'll know if you're going to bid it out and if you bid it out to another 30 day process.

689
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Correct.

690
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,000
We'll be into December minimally.

691
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
Right.

692
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000
And you said number will still be a floating number.

693
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Right.

694
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
But I do know the worst case scenario.

695
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,000
And that's what I put in there.

696
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000
So it only can be improved upon.

697
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,000
There's the worst case scenario based upon with the previous.

698
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000
Yes.

699
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Holder of that escalation numbers in it.

700
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Which I'm not recommending approval on at all.

701
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,000
So just just as a guidance here.

702
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,000
What is your drop dead date for hopefully coming to.

703
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Conclusion with all of the vendors.

704
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,000
Well, I'm glad the vendors are here because they can hear this too.

705
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
So we're all in the same page.

706
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,000
My drop dead date.

707
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000
We'll be probably October 30.

708
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,000
So we let me make clear when do you want to start meeting with us this next week?

709
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
I would like to next week.

710
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,000
I really would because there's a lot in here because as these numbers change,

711
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
I want you to recognize.

712
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Exactly.

713
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
I want you to recognize that.

714
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
So it might be, you know, we'll have our first initial meeting next week.

715
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,000
But if you could be available to me during this process because as these numbers change,

716
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
I want to give you full explanation.

717
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,000
So as your constituents ask, you have a full understanding of what that is.

718
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000
And there may be opportunities for yourself too as as we.

719
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,960
Get through this a couple of times that maybe there's still a few questions and certainly meet with Bonnie on that, so that you can get some better answers, but, you know, the goal is for she and I to be sure you understand the origin of the revenues and the reason for the expenditures, and we're looking at creating capital improvement plan. And remember we're going to have for 2014, just thinking ahead when we get to mid your budget adjustment, which we will do that early.

720
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:42,000
We're going to do that in months six. So that way we can see a six-month history of activity and what we see moving forward to the end of fiscal year.

721
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:54,000
And then we're also going to be looking at in that mid your budget adjustment, creating a more firm and confident capital improvement plan, because we'll have three of our plans completed by then.

722
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:08,000
We'll have a view for how we improvement plan, the transportation plan, and the parks and recreation plan, all of which will have capital improvement elements to it in a short term version, as well as long term planning purposes.

723
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:17,000
As part of that budgeting cycle to get to the amendment to the mid your budget adjustment, I want us to have our retreat.

724
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:30,000
Before that time period, so that you can hear from the department has what's going on in their department, so that you'll have some familiarity with some of the adjustments that will be proposing.

725
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:41,000
So we adopt a budget once a year, but we work on it every day, constantly, with certain demarcation points.

726
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Certainly, it's nice to see a full year's budget. I tell you, I remember this.

727
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000
With some predictive ability.

728
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,000
Yeah, really. And I'm glad to hear that that's a conservative estimate on your part.

729
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:58,000
How much is in this rough budget and for our contingency?

730
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,000
Currently, we have a million, and consistency reserve for this one, two million.

731
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,000
Okay.

732
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Does that include the million dollars put in the size for this year?

733
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
Okay, great.

734
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,000
We want to build on that, and that's what I sit down with you individually.

735
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,000
I want to talk to you about opportunities of how I think I can grow that for you.

736
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Since we're talking about that, I'd just like to make a recommendation that we minimally set aside a minimum of four months, up to six months max, as a guideline.

737
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,000
And I'd like to open that up to conversation here.

738
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,000
Yes.

739
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Okay.

740
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Are you talking about?

741
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000
Correct.

742
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Yeah.

743
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
I think that's a good measure.

744
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,000
I think we need to set a goal.

745
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,000
We need to have an objective that we want to achieve, and it is achievable.

746
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:49,000
And I think it's nice to have a million dollars, but I think we need to have that comfort level that's really going to make sure that we are protected as a city.

747
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Right.

748
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,000
And the other thing that we're looking at, too, is we never know what kind of employment weather we're going to have.

749
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
And what kind of storms are going to come through.

750
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:03,000
And, you know, we have to plan, you know, for worst case scenarios.

751
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,000
And so we have some dollar set aside for storm cleanup or who knows what.

752
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Maybe there's a recall on some of our police cars, and they may have to be completely replaced.

753
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:21,000
So, you know, I want to have that in there as well and looking for those kind of opportunities.

754
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,000
The idea of rolling funds over that are unspanned.

755
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
I'd like to check those into our reserve.

756
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,000
You know, if we haven't spent it, that's where I'd like it to go.

757
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,000
And when a big project comes up, we have a source in which to, to go to.

758
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,000
So, you'll hear all of that when we sit down and go over this.

759
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Is there a, I'll just, I'm not trying to quiz you on the budget.

760
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Because it's not official, yeah, right.

761
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,000
You're shield.

762
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,000
The Parks and Rec.

763
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,000
Is there a capital improvement portion from the Parks and Rec or now?

764
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Is it really?

765
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,000
At this point.

766
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Yeah.

767
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,000
I mean, that's not to the point of what we are expecting in our Parks and Rec plan.

768
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
Okay.

769
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Yeah.

770
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000
There's a, there's a part of what we like.

771
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000
So we know.

772
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Right.

773
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,000
There's a second to the last page.

774
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000
Okay.

775
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,000
Yeah.

776
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,000
What's it on again?

777
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Careful.

778
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,000
Careful.

779
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,000
Careful.

780
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Okay.

781
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Thank you.

782
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,000
You know, I, I remember don't get stuck on that.

783
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,000
Not getting stuck on.

784
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Okay.

785
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Okay.

786
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Just gotta start thinking.

787
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Okay.

788
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
I also want to go back to the council.

789
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
I've commented about the, the four months.

790
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,000
I think we need to also remember that those are two separate funds.

791
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,000
I mean, the city manager mentioned reserves versus contingency.

792
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,000
You know, I agree with you that the contingency is a, it's four to six months of operating costs.

793
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
But we also have a reserves that are in addition to that.

794
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000
So we, we don't need, you know.

795
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Yeah.

796
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
Thank you for bringing that up.

797
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,000
As long as the savings account and once an emergency.

798
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Exactly.

799
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,000
And we need to build the savings account for long term capital projects.

800
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Or also, you know, when we, if and when we do decide we need to bond the capacity.

801
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000
That money will be very valuable when it comes to establishing ratings and those types of things.

802
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,000
So let's make sure we have our, our funds straight and that yeah, I agree that four to six months for contingency.

803
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:12,000
But we also have reserves that we need to continue to build as, as quickly and as strong as we can.

804
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,000
And I'm so glad you brought that up because again.

805
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:26,000
And we talked about this before, but this really is a tool in preparation and hopefully by year three or four will last for bond rating.

806
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:31,000
And I think we'll be very good to secure a very good rating.

807
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
But Jim is correct.

808
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:42,000
And we'll be reviewing that and going over what the difference is and how important that is to what we're doing.

809
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
All right.

810
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Thank you. One last point on the budgeting.

811
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:54,000
As you reviewed the vendor contracts, we talked about it in the past.

812
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:03,000
If we can find ways to create a mutually beneficial incentive for these vendors so that if they come in under budget,

813
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,000
they get some kind of incentive in a bonus and building that.

814
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:18,000
You know, creating a, and incentive for them to be more cost conscious within the costs that they built to the city city.

815
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,000
Or so.

816
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:28,000
I don't know how you did that, but you know, it loves to have that built in so that they don't go all the way up to their contract amounts.

817
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,000
They really do have an incentive to try and find efficiencies within their own operations.

818
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:40,000
And I am looking forward to having that conversation with each of you.

819
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Looking forward to it.

820
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Is that part of it now or is this something that will be novel with the new contracts?

821
01:06:46,000 --> 01:07:02,000
We're going to be making some changes on how the contract is established and what the parameters are.

822
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:10,000
Right now we have a lump sum contract and I am moving towards a time and materials contract.

823
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,000
So we can be.

824
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:23,000
We have more predictability and we have a better delivery of service for what you all are agreeing to pay for.

825
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:30,000
I'm just like to make one more suggestion it was conversation pretty much bird by councilman.

826
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000
Jim, this is in relationship to the.

827
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:39,000
We talked about the three plans that are coming down the pipe here on the beautiful highway, the transportation and the parks.

828
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:45,000
And suggestion that you came up with or creating a fourth plan.

829
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,000
Which would be probably just taking the participation.

830
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,000
And have that be as a separate plan a PDF plan and not a PDF.

831
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Or I get Joe and I were talking about, you know, how do we how do we as a council better understand what what our opportunities are.

832
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,000
And obviously we're going to have that conversation a little bit today, but.

833
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,000
There might be an opportunity and in my mind and you may have a better idea.

834
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,000
And it to include as a as a as a component of the comprehensive master plan.

835
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:23,000
A component that more closely looks at the manifestation of what's happening to me around it so that.

836
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:28,000
You know, so that we're not adding, you know, obviously the shred, you know, basically those are what's happening with the shred.

837
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:35,000
But it becomes something that that, you know, is is better tailored to what.

838
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,000
What Brookhaven with the council, what the what the citizens want.

839
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,000
And we're, you know, trying to figure out, do we do it now, do we do it later?

840
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:50,000
And my suggestion was, you know, that may be a specific component of the comprehensive master plan, not adding another plan per say, but just making sure.

841
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,000
The chapter within it.

842
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Exactly.

843
01:08:52,000 --> 01:09:00,000
That that that that character area is looked at even a little more closely than the other areas that we're going to be looking at.

844
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:12,000
I think that's I think that's a very good idea and I think and we'll be talking about in just a moment, but at least take the opportunity now to make mention of.

845
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:21,000
You know, one of the most important ingredients in that plan is is to have an established identified and committed relationship with Marda.

846
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:31,000
You know, they're we've seen in her different commentary coming out of the shred and who's representing who and who truly is not.

847
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:41,000
And, you know, I don't want there to be any kind of false sense of an expectation that can't be delivered upon by group who's not authorized.

848
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:49,000
And so the idea of focusing on that as a character area all by itself and what does that mean.

849
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:56,000
And as part of the overlay, part of the city, how, how does that drive the bus if you will?

850
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:10,000
And no pun intended that it's marda, but but truly, you know, that whatever happens there is going to have a ripple effect and we need to understand how far out that ripple goes and what that means.

851
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:22,000
And what that determines for many and I think that's an excellent idea and we can we can include that in our conversations when we start interviewing the different firms.

852
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Absolutely.

853
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,000
I've come from a timing, from a timing standpoint.

854
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Well, first of all, let me just say, I'm in favor of this for a couple of reasons.

855
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:39,000
One is because what happens over at the modern stations is probably going to be defining statement from all of us on what we think and what happens here in the city of.

856
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:49,000
I think what we really want to make sure that we're doing is that we're working in concert with the folks from modern.

857
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:55,000
And we want to do it loudly with commitment with purpose with performance.

858
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:01,000
I think by separating or having this be part of the mesh to plan, it allows us to really identify that.

859
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,000
It's be able to speak very, very specifically towards that concept.

860
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:12,000
You had mentioned something before about people making expectations that can't be fulfilled.

861
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,000
One of the concerns I have is having expectations that are too low.

862
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
So it's the other side of the coin.

863
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,000
We have one time to do this right.

864
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:33,000
And I would very much encourage us as a city to step out on our own in complement any of the work that's being done out there and take the best of both ideas.

865
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,000
So I'm from a timing standpoint.

866
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:43,000
I think the shreds do to finish in six months, which probably takes a March April, maybe May at the latest.

867
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:48,000
And I think we'd want to be timed accordingly.

868
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Well, you know, I mean that's probably too soon.

869
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,000
But because it's a clock ticking, if this is something that we agree on.

870
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,000
And we probably want to be moving ahead and full.

871
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:09,000
I mean, that there's a lot of moving parts to all of this into the shreds that's occurring right now.

872
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:18,000
Jim's idea of focusing on on the mortage station and how that affects and impacts the rest of the area.

873
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,000
And we need to identify what that area is.

874
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,000
I mean, how far out does it does the ripple effect occur.

875
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000
But what is going to be critical?

876
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,000
What is going to be absolutely critical to the success of whatever happens there at the mortage station.

877
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,000
Is to come to an agreement and an understanding on both sides.

878
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:44,000
We have a quasi-government that's martyr that receives federal funds that owns the station that owns the land surrounding it.

879
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000
And that they have certain desires.

880
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,000
My understanding is they don't want to sell it, but they will do a land lease and that they have certain expectations on their own.

881
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:59,000
But I think we need to be clear with them, too, that we want to partner with them, that whatever their desires are,

882
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:06,000
have to be enabled by this body through zoning, through sight plans, through density, entitlements.

883
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:17,000
All of that has to be because at the end of the day, your job and my job in working with you all is to ensure that we can afford delivering services at the same level.

884
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,000
This citizenry has come to expect in demand of you all.

885
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:28,000
And we've got to be assured that whatever is being entitled and agreed upon can be paid for.

886
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Because it's not martyr's job to police it.

887
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,000
It will be the city of Brookhaven's job to police it.

888
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:44,000
It's not martyr's job to address, protect, or prevent precedents that are setting.

889
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:52,000
It will be your job to do that so that whatever is coming out of whether it's this charret or whether it's martyr doing something.

890
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,000
They can't do it in a vacuum.

891
01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:05,000
They have to do it in partnership because you are the authority by charter and creation of the city that you have the police powers over planning and zoning.

892
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000
And that's where it rests.

893
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:18,000
And so it is just imperative to the success of any property owner whether they're martyr or they're a Mister developer and some of the part of the city.

894
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,000
They can't do anything unless the project is entitled.

895
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,000
And that entitlement is delivered by the elected body.

896
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:31,000
So I love the idea of focusing on that and making it part of the complaint.

897
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,000
It needs to be a focus too when we do the transportation plan as well.

898
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:40,000
And yet another focus when we do the parks and right plan because if we've got people living there they're going to want to recreate.

899
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,000
And the closest park is Brookhaven.

900
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,000
How much capacity can that park take? What is it's capacity? What's it's bandwidth?

901
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
So we're going to have to look at all of that.

902
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:57,000
So I'm saying I like the idea and I'd love to take that focus all the way through all the plans because we can't look at it with blinders.

903
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,000
We have to be open to how that's going to affect.

904
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,000
In fact, all services and impact, all the cost of delivering services for the city.

905
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:11,000
The, just maybe, premature, because I think we're going to talk about this.

906
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:21,000
But, bates, and I were just at a, before we came here, and the gal who's the staff person for the city of Decayter for the downtime development

907
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:28,000
was speaking to the group to the development authority folks about how they operate.

908
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,000
And she kept saying, you know, we have a plan, and every day we work the plan.

909
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,000
We said, well, what plan is that?

910
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000
And she said, it's a strategic plan.

911
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:43,000
We do, you know, we updated every five years, and it's the result of a vision of the community that's come together.

912
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:55,000
And, and, and I guess that's been my concern on this, the short thing is that the complaint hasn't been done in the, and the complaint is really going to be our strategic vision.

913
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:07,000
And that's why if you're suggesting that the two need to match, absolutely, because I'm, I have a little bit of a fear that there's, there's one train going on this track right now.

914
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,000
And I agree, but ahead of us, I agree, and people are making decisions.

915
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:18,000
I mean, the one group I sat in today was deciding on terminology to use in the RFQ.

916
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,000
Right, and that's the authority does not rest with them.

917
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:31,000
You know, and, and this is just a, you know, this is a charat that was brought to the funded by another part of the city's not paying for it.

918
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,000
Yeah, but I have to ask.

919
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,000
I have a little bit of ideas, maybe, and we'll, and we'll.

920
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:45,000
But I will tell you that they, they have, I heard it again today, they said, we have partnered with the city and we are working for the city.

921
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,000
Who's, who's saying this?

922
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Well, let's rob it, though, he's selfish.

923
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,000
But, you know, but.

924
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Yeah, but that's not who's going to be taking advantage of it or making use of it.

925
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,000
Those are the ones you want to part of with.

926
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
But they're going to go back to the RFQ.

927
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:07,000
I mean, obviously, you know, I think what they were discussing was Marta's RFQ for developers for the property.

928
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:13,000
And, you know, I don't know that we as the city right now have much say in that.

929
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,000
We, we can see it after the fact.

930
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:21,000
I mean, once they've selected the developers, and obviously, you know, we've got a regulatory role, but, you know,

931
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:27,000
I know, as I understand that the cater has done sort of an idea, which, I don't know how,

932
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:33,000
I think it's beginning to fall apart a little bit, just simply because Marta has taken a little bit of a different direction.

933
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:41,000
So, you know, I guess at the end of the day, where our, what my concern is, and where I believe our preparation needs to be is on the regulatory side,

934
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:52,000
to make sure that we are prepared to ask for and fully review whatever it is that we feel is necessary to get a full picture of what's happening out there.

935
01:17:52,000 --> 01:18:00,000
I mean, you know, at the end of the day, when they come back in for a rezoning, that's going to be our first and best chance to make all of this happen.

936
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Obviously, there's going to be, as things are available on the way, but, you know, we've got to be prepared as, as a council,

937
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:14,000
we've got to be prepared as a city to accept those plans and understand what it is that we want those plans to look like,

938
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:20,000
so that we can then deliver back to them, our vision and make sure that we're in sync from that standpoint.

939
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Because the rezoning is going to be where, where we get to see and where we get to, to exert any,

940
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:32,000
where you'd be one of them to discuss what we talked about and are, are your reaching out to Marta.

941
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000
Yes, I was just, thank you.

942
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:43,000
I have, I shared with all of you last week, the letter I received from Marta, giving everybody notice that others will not plan for them.

943
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:49,000
They will plan for themselves and the authority rest with them on what they're going to do with their own property.

944
01:18:49,000 --> 01:19:00,000
As a result of what I'm hearing from the public, too, that South Face is saying they're partnering with the city and they're representing us.

945
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,000
There's a whole host of concerns that get conjured up with that.

946
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:10,000
You know, we don't want the community to be misled, that certain things are going to occur when we don't know what those are yet,

947
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,000
but I have contacted Marta, and I've left a message asking for a meeting,

948
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:22,000
and based on how we're talking about it today, that, you know, to even get with the general manager of Marta and just say, look,

949
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:30,000
you know, we want to partner with you and just, describe exactly what I just went over with you all, that there has to be an acceptance that

950
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Marta and the city have, need each other, like it or not, good or bad, they need each other to help enable what they'd like to do and to help prepare the city for how they serve.

951
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:53,000
And so that call has been made, and a request has been made, because I think, you know, at this point,

952
01:19:53,000 --> 01:20:00,000
obviously there was some frustration on Marta's part, otherwise they wouldn't have written that letter to set the ground rules of who's in charge,

953
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,000
and that's basically what it was, it was a who's in charge letter, and they said they were in charge of the property they own.

954
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:13,000
So, I think that that is a supreme opportunity on our part to say we'd like to sit down and want to partner with you,

955
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:20,000
we want to work with you, they're going to need us at some point in time, and I think going to where Jim was headed with his comments,

956
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:28,000
let's make that early than rather than later, because I really don't want you to be engaged at the time that they prepared their plans and you're reacting.

957
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:39,000
I want you to be in a proactive role that you're planning to determine what is best for the city and what compliments their needs and their desires,

958
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:49,000
because you've got a whole lot of overlay left over with the community, and there's properties that are in the contract that I've been informed of,

959
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:54,000
that have a desire to do something somewhat to what Marta's talking about.

960
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:01,000
And the question now is bagged and asking, is there enough capacity? Do we need that?

961
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,000
How much do we have of multi-family in the city?

962
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:14,000
So, it's a perfect time right now to have that engagement with them and to be able to walk together,

963
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000
because I'd like to see them as a part of our overall plan.

964
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:22,000
I mean, I want them involved in the BF, let's take a look at the bus stops that are along the BF,

965
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:30,000
how do we get them to the Marta station? How do we get them? How do we we're going to talk about workforce housing and we're going to try and get corporate America to locate?

966
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:36,000
How do we transport the employees if their first choice is not going to be by car?

967
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,000
We do that. You know, they've got to be a part of all of this.

968
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:44,000
So that's part of my offering to them is, we need your help and you need ours.

969
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,000
Yeah, that was part of Jager's post on BF, right?

970
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,000
Yeah, that was connectivity to the Marta station.

971
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,000
That's right.

972
01:21:51,000 --> 01:22:03,000
But just want to reiterate that every indication from Marta so far, all of their officials has been that they are very much looking to partner with the city of Berke,

973
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:11,000
and the work in cooperative fashion to get our input in how we make the best use for that site.

974
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Well, one of the things that we talked about in the Sharet today was that they had a number of members of our development authority.

975
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:34,000
And I remind of them that development authority, not Marta, has tools for bond inducement, tax abatements and things that would be great incentives to attract developers.

976
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:41,000
And so in the same way that invested Atlanta has been vital in the whole stadium developments.

977
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,000
You know, we have some things that they don't have.

978
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:52,000
So we've got all long that our development authority was needed to be stood up in order to be ready after this opportunity.

979
01:22:52,000 --> 01:23:02,000
Now, as you know, they've asked to present to us their final findings on Thursday morning, and I know there's a conflict with some other things going on.

980
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Can we find another time, or should we just, what do we want to do about this?

981
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
I would have that we could keep that time.

982
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:25,000
I mean, I'm not sure if we need to talk about this further, but I think it's important for us to hear from one understand they've brought all the consultants together for that time.

983
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:34,000
And if not all at least, there will be representatives from each of the groups or each of the big presentations to us.

984
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,000
So the way is the council can have a better understanding of what's going on.

985
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:48,000
And I think it would be important for us to have that opportunity to not only see what they've presented, but also have a frank and open discussion about it.

986
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:58,000
Later that evening of Thursday evening, they're obviously doing the public presentation, which, you know, well, that's going to be some of the same information.

987
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:13,000
For me, I think it's very important for us to see that prior to the public presentation, so that if there are some expectations that may be may need some adjustments, or if there are some things that may need to be realign.

988
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:19,000
Then we have that opportunity to do that. Also we have an opportunity to see what's going on and what will in fact be presented.

989
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:28,000
So I hope that that Thursday morning we are, or can be available because I think this is important.

990
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:38,000
It's an important first step for us to understand what's going on and also provide input into the process before the final presentation is made that evening.

991
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Well, there is a conflict for that morning, and I would just say that, you know, if this is what you want to do and schedule.

992
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Right, I was going to say that.

993
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:59,000
Open in the afternoon, I mean could we carry this over because the conflict can't last all day.

994
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,000
Now it's in the morning.

995
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,000
It's in the morning, so by the threats there, I think, until three o'clock.

996
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,000
What if we worked with Robert Reed to see if we could do it for the afternoon?

997
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Let's try that. Just for clarification purposes for people who are not really sure what we're talking about.

998
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:23,000
There was the second court case on the Century Center taking place at Superior Court on Thursday morning.

999
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,000
And it's going to involve city staff, which was important.

1000
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,000
They also will be a part of the city council meeting here.

1001
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
Tray, are you going to be filming at the courthouse?

1002
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Do you have the ability to also film and get permission from that?

1003
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000
Yeah, he did.

1004
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:44,000
Do you also have the ability to film city council meeting at the same time?

1005
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Just now in equipment-wise?

1006
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Well, you know, two different people, two different cameras.

1007
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000
You have the calendar.

1008
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
We have our own.

1009
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Okay, great.

1010
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000
Okay, good.

1011
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Okay, thanks.

1012
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:03,000
Do we know if that's just the court calendar at 9 o'clock or do we think that our arguments are actually scheduled for 9 o'clock?

1013
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
9 o'clock.

1014
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000
9 o'clock.

1015
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,000
I've been told it's been 9 o'clock.

1016
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,000
Let's say, especially set.

1017
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,000
I've been talking with Lenny.

1018
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,000
I asked him specifically what time and he said 9 o'clock.

1019
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,000
Okay.

1020
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,000
9 o'clock.

1021
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,000
All right.

1022
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Yeah, right.

1023
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Are we any of us going to testify, are you?

1024
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,000
Well, I asked about that.

1025
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,000
You know, they're not planning on it, but they could.

1026
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:34,000
And so I'm planning to bring the boards and everything just in case.

1027
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,000
Okay.

1028
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Say, who has got to talk to Robert about rescheduling.

1029
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,000
Okay.

1030
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,000
You got to come.

1031
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,000
And early afternoon is good for the council.

1032
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:52,000
If they scheduled it, say, 1, 1, 30, 30 afternoon is that.

1033
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000
I think that'd be good.

1034
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,000
You know, that good for council.

1035
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,000
It's a thing.

1036
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,000
So 24.

1037
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,000
24.

1038
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,000
24.

1039
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,000
24.

1040
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,000
Let's see.

1041
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000
It's five for me.

1042
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,000
Or is it there or are Sunday for me?

1043
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,000
What was your work there?

1044
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000
Sunday.

1045
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,000
Saturday?

1046
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,000
Sunday?

1047
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,000
Sunday.

1048
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Sunday?

1049
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000
There's past.

1050
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,000
They're happening.

1051
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Just Phil, everything.

1052
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,000
We almost want to.

1053
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Yes.

1054
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
The first one.

1055
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,000
These are five.

1056
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Maybe, you know, the fifth.

1057
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,000
They drink alcohol, they should have right.

1058
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Yeah, okay.

1059
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,000
I think we do have a, they give us a list.

1060
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,000
They add to the list, but it's not on there.

1061
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,000
I mean, Michael.

1062
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:47,500
I'm going to just say I have a conflict at two o'clock. I will try and move that and I'll

1063
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:52,780
say one o'clock then. Yeah, I mean one o'clock would be perfect as long as I can

1064
01:27:52,780 --> 01:28:00,780
I didn't even get there for the two o'clock. It's an on-site meeting. Let's see what it's

1065
01:28:00,780 --> 01:28:09,580
doing. I mean, yeah. Well, check the various times. It may even be later than that

1066
01:28:09,580 --> 01:28:14,500
that it could be available like three o'clock or few. Yeah, I'm going to try and move

1067
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:19,780
the meeting if I can. Basically, we're all available all day if we have to be on Thursday

1068
01:28:19,780 --> 01:28:25,060
for this. Okay. All right. Looking at just one hour. Is that what you're looking at as a presentation

1069
01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:31,060
of their findings? They had a two hour block, but you know, whatever. I mean, hour and a half.

1070
01:28:31,060 --> 01:28:42,780
Tom, speak to them. All right. Next. I wanted to just give you an update to our apartment inspections

1071
01:28:43,060 --> 01:28:51,580
and managing that. Well, the inspection program is born very well. As you know, we have 66 apartments

1072
01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:58,380
that we're doing the inspection on. We're beginning inspection number 12 this week. And as a matter

1073
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:04,460
of policy, what we do is create a note book on each apartment complex that we inspect. The reports that

1074
01:29:04,460 --> 01:29:11,380
we're seeing range anywhere from 20 pages to 500 pages, so they vary in length. All of the reports

1075
01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:17,140
include photographic inventory as well as the code section that are being reviewed. We've had

1076
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:22,820
two complexes that we have had to issue a court citations for. One has already had a court date and that

1077
01:29:22,820 --> 01:29:28,020
was dismissed and there were about 75% complete with the corrections I needed to make. We had an additional

1078
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:33,620
apartment complex that will be going to court in November the first week of November. We do have one that

1079
01:29:33,620 --> 01:29:39,940
now is fully compliant. And I do meet with inspector every Monday morning and then he is now beginning

1080
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:45,620
to provide a report to me every Friday. He had to have something to report on. So every Friday

1081
01:29:45,620 --> 01:29:53,220
I do receive a report from him. I feel like we're really on schedule. We did receive by the way this week

1082
01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:59,140
a request for a demo of an apartment complex. So we're hearing a lot of different things about. Where is that?

1083
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:15,000
We have a complete process of that, but we do have a request for demolition of that apartment complex.

1084
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:20,000
I don't remember the number of units I apologize. I think it's fairly small, fairly small.

1085
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Is the one that's, tell me, on the court in November, is that a result of a continuous, or is that just a later four days?

1086
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:36,000
No, that is a new court date for that particular complex that we've only had two and they're different complexes.

1087
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:45,000
We're moving right along. As planned, I think our inspectors doing a very good job.

1088
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:55,000
I have not received any complaints from the field directly to me about him. I did receive one complaint about not knowing that he was there.

1089
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:03,000
So, at this point, we're moving, we're actually a little bit ahead of schedule.

1090
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,000
The climate curve is at the R2 project.

1091
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,000
Yes, it is.

1092
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,000
Okay. Thank you.

1093
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,000
So, this book, these reports, will they available to your office first to look at or?

1094
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:20,000
We are maintaining two copies on each complex. And of course they, yes, they are available.

1095
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:25,000
They're updated repeatedly because as things are corrected, that goes in the book as well.

1096
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:33,000
So, it includes the notice, what happened, what everything that's going on, we're keeping a public record on, what's occurring in each complex.

1097
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:39,000
So, what have you possible for us to go out with the inspector on a typical inspection? Not necessarily.

1098
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:46,000
I don't know how long they last if they're one day, five days, whatever. Just to get a better feel for what they're looking at.

1099
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:55,000
I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with that. We would just need to know, you know, when you'd want to do that, the next inspection will be this Thursday.

1100
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,000
We can certainly coordinate that for you.

1101
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:14,000
As you've been meeting and reviewed, are we getting, are we maintaining a consistency from, from complex to complex so that we're now sort of looking at the same things and, and are we getting tougher or are we backing off on some things?

1102
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:27,000
What sort of the focus and and what do you see as you look at the reports, what are, what are the, some of the violations or the enforcement issues that are seem to be coming time and time again.

1103
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:35,000
Well, I think with anything, there's a learning curve as you, as you take on something new, but but he does have a checklist that he follows that everyone was provided.

1104
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:46,000
And I do think he's consistent in his approach. Those things that are life safety matters, we do not waste time on because it's important to deal with life safety issues.

1105
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:57,000
And we are granting flexibility for things that require bidding and we're aware of that. So, I mean, everything can't just be black and white, you try to make it black and white where you can.

1106
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:04,000
But there are, there are things that we have to give a little bit of we at C2 and courtesy to as long as it's not a life safety issue.

1107
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Is there a process for requesting extensions or how does that work if, if somebody needs, wants to get the latest and they go through, they feel they need additional time.

1108
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:26,000
Well, the inspector has been working with them in the field and actually the latest update I have indicates that he's provided extensions to some, and some of them are going out until December.

1109
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,000
It depends on the nature of what, what it is.

1110
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:41,000
If they're having to re-reef an entire complex and they're have to go out to get bits to do that, they need time to do that, but if they need to put a guardrail along the sidewalk where somebody could fall and get hurt, they need to get that done.

1111
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:47,000
So, there's a degree of subjectiveness that has to occur.

1112
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:59,000
I've heard from one group that they, they were hoping to extend some of the things in one life safety issue, but they were hoping to extend some of the things into the next fiscal year, which obviously, you know, is beyond December.

1113
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Looking at things like that, and when people are requesting extensions, I mean if they come in with, with a, with a, with if the request is more of a budgetary than anything else, they would push these improvements into the 2014 budget rather than the 2013 budget.

1114
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,000
Are we working with them on that level?

1115
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:31,000
Well, I haven't been approached in that regard. I don't know that things spectra has, and until it's brought to my attention, I don't know about that, but certainly we need to look at those things.

1116
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,000
We need to make sure that they are truly are moving forward with progress.

1117
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:49,000
And if we see that it's a stall tactic, though the goal here is to make a better quality of life situation for all of the things that live in these apartment complexes, and if we see that it's a stall tactic,

1118
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:54,000
we're going to do what we can to try and motivate them to move forward.

1119
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,000
That's the best way to answer your question.

1120
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:07,000
That's what I was looking for, I just, there will be special situations, but I also agree that it could be used as a stall tactic.

1121
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Right, and if I don't know about the situation, there's not a thing I can do about it.

1122
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:17,000
Do you know any more details about the citation that was dismissed in court?

1123
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:30,000
My recollection is that the one that was dismissed in court, they were actively moving forward, and they were showing demonstrating that they were 75% into the corrective measures.

1124
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:37,000
And today, that was the last report, today they're probably even further along.

1125
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:42,000
So that's what I know about that.

1126
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:57,000
And one of the question I know that there was, I understood that that fire that occurred at part-town north happened shortly after we hit finished our inspection there and come up with probably one of those 500 page reports.

1127
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:05,000
Do you know if we reflected potentially fire safety hazards there, was that just somebody actually started?

1128
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:11,000
All of the life safety issues in that particular complex were corrected prior to that fire.

1129
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:17,000
Any other questions?

1130
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,000
Thank you.

1131
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,000
Thank you.

1132
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:26,000
Mr. Mayor, the next item is the Marta Shirat and we've already covered that unless there's any other questions.

1133
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,000
No, that's not, that's not.

1134
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:36,000
I just want to thank City staff for getting that, that schedule up on the home page as a website.

1135
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:44,000
Let's public know what, what times and dates they can go for public input in that process.

1136
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
All right, thank you.

1137
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Nassmas?

1138
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,000
Am I having a nassmas?

1139
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:55,000
29th of October at Cross Keys High School.

1140
01:36:55,000 --> 01:37:03,000
Michael Thurman is going to be there with Marshall, and they're putting on a public meeting.

1141
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:14,000
And I would encourage all of us to be there because it's going to be a great time for us to be making our statements for the type of support that we want for our school systems.

1142
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:19,000
It's particularly the only high school that we have in the City of Brookhaven.

1143
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:24,000
I believe it's set for you the 6.30 or 7.

1144
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,000
Maybe cornering about the Cross Keys Park thing.

1145
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Well, we can do everything there.

1146
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:35,000
Now, it appears that this has not been well advertised event.

1147
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,000
So I'm making sure it gets advertised.

1148
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:43,000
Yes, next Tuesday.

1149
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,000
All right.

1150
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:48,000
I have a little bit of announcement just to give everybody a little update.

1151
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:56,000
Joe and I attended a roundtable last Wednesday, Joe.

1152
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,000
Yes.

1153
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:03,000
With citizens concerned about our SOB ordinance.

1154
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,000
And it went very well.

1155
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,000
It was well behaved.

1156
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,000
It was probably, what did you say?

1157
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,000
25 or 30 people there, Joe?

1158
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,000
Yeah.

1159
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,000
They were a lot more than that.

1160
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,000
Were they?

1161
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,000
Probably closer to 60.

1162
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,000
60 folks.

1163
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,000
Maybe 70.

1164
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,000
I don't know.

1165
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:23,000
And there were a lot of folks there, and there were a lot of thoughtful discussion.

1166
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,000
And there were some very good questions.

1167
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,000
Because some of the questions we didn't know the answer to, but there were some good points brought up.

1168
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,000
And I've asked a couple of them.

1169
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,000
But I've also asked the citizens to please email.

1170
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,000
So the ideas and questions they had about our SOB.

1171
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,000
One idea that did come out that Joe and I kind of thought was a good idea.

1172
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:49,000
And of course, as we've done in concert with Tom and Marie and the Council.

1173
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,000
Of course.

1174
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:57,000
As they had asked, one of the questions was, do we have different opinions from attorneys?

1175
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,000
From different attorneys?

1176
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,000
And we were debating our SOB.

1177
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:06,000
And of course, answered, we had, we had Mr. Curves, one of them that we had Bob Dallas.

1178
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
And we had, of course, Scott Berkold.

1179
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:16,000
I think the desire from these citizens was that we kind of reach out a little further and see if we can have some consultation

1180
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,000
or some one or two more attorneys with some experience in the field.

1181
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,000
And I thought that was a good idea.

1182
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:31,000
Just to either reiterate our ordinance and kind of give us a more firm ground on what we've done and what we're doing

1183
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:35,000
and give us confidence in that, that what we're doing is the right thing.

1184
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:40,000
Or to possibly give us ideas about other options that may be out there that we didn't want to wear of.

1185
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:51,000
It's just a suggestion that we kind of affirm or open up our understanding of what our SOB is.

1186
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,000
And I thought that was a good idea. I think Joe did too.

1187
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,000
Definitely did.

1188
01:39:55,000 --> 01:40:08,000
So I'd like to say in the next couple of weeks, I'd like to coordinate with Tom and see if we can get some one or two more attorneys to kind of give us their perspective on our ordinance

1189
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:14,000
or they either affirm what we've done or so maybe we could tweak this or that or strategy for going forward.

1190
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:21,000
I would like to suggest that Tom, you present us with people that you think that we should open this up to.

1191
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:33,000
Let us have a review of who they are so we can assess their professionalism in the area and give us maybe several suggestions and let us choose from amongst those.

1192
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:44,000
I have a bit of an objection to this. I personally think that we reached out early on and have presentations at a work session of this.

1193
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,000
We also reached out to Wendell Willard and some other city attorneys as well.

1194
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:54,000
We've made our commitment. We're in a lawsuit.

1195
01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:02,000
I think if we have any doubts and then we ought to just rescind our SOB ordinance but I mean.

1196
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:07,000
I wouldn't agree that I don't agree that we have any doubts. We should rescind our ordinance.

1197
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:15,000
There were some questions that came up that I think we need to answer to in order to affirm what we've done in a more positive manner.

1198
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:26,000
We had members of the community come up to us and consistently state this point and I think as representatives of the citizens that we have an obligation.

1199
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:36,000
I don't really think it has anything to do about what are current stances or backing out of us.

1200
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,000
I think we just need to follow through and see.

1201
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:48,000
And if the general consensus of a removal of attorneys is that we're heading down the right path, do you think that's going to change any of the comments that you received from the.

1202
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:52,000
You know, I don't know but.

1203
01:41:52,000 --> 01:42:01,000
I think I think I think it might address some of the questions that I didn't have the answer to and I'd like to have answers to and Tom could probably provide some of them.

1204
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:07,000
If there are specific questions and yes but I don't have to provide a general review.

1205
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:13,000
I think I started off by saying there were some questions that I didn't have the answer to that I think it would be good to have answered.

1206
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:21,000
Some different opinions on it I think it'd be good for us to give us a more full understanding of and a way to defend what we've done.

1207
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:28,000
But if there are things that that are indefensible we would when they need to be pointed out for purposes of our strategy going up going forward.

1208
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:40,000
My message to the constituencies that we took a measured through these folks we took a measured careful decision on adopting or SOB which I support and Joe supports and I think we all support.

1209
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:48,000
And that was very clear about that and I said if there are any questions or concerns that maybe we hadn't heard of or considered.

1210
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,000
We'd like to hear them and frankly there were just there were a couple things that that.

1211
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:57,000
I didn't have answers for that I want answers to and I'm not talking about having a.

1212
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:07,000
I'm a consortium of attorneys come up just one or two possibly to maybe one to kind of address those questions from a different perspective.

1213
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:13,000
Not to undermine our ordinance or undermine our understanding of our legal position.

1214
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:23,000
But just when we have questions about these things in the future we have given a lot of consideration to things that we didn't necessarily consider before and we now know why we.

1215
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:29,000
Why the answer is what it is just more informing our decision in my opinion.

1216
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:36,000
It would have to be somebody with no vested interest in what's going on here or definitely nobody that has a perceived agenda.

1217
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:43,000
And I think that would satisfy a lot of a lot of concerns in the in the community.

1218
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:51,000
I'd like to just provide a little bit of clarity. I did watch the video of of the discussion.

1219
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:57,000
I commend y'all for going and listening to the citizens.

1220
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:04,000
It probably took it took guts and I know that this is a sensitive issue because it is an active litigation.

1221
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:14,000
But from a public perception I commend you for listening to the public and showing that we're they elected us to hear their voice.

1222
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:25,000
The issue that I heard resoundingly was that the citizens are concerned about the cost that the cities embarking upon in addressing this issue.

1223
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:36,000
And if we can look at solutions that minimize the cost of the city but produce the same results, let's let's look at those options.

1224
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:44,000
I think that I think the ordinance we have is a well-thought out constitutionally upholdable ordinance which protects our citizens.

1225
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:54,000
But we also have the reality of that we're dealing with a litigation matter that is costing the taxpayers money.

1226
01:44:54,000 --> 01:45:00,000
So are there solutions out there which can protect the city of Brookhaven?

1227
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,000
Ultimately, achieve the same results as the course that we're currently going down. But minimizes that cost of the citizens.

1228
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:13,000
And I think that that's what the citizens want to see this city move forward with.

1229
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:28,000
Exploring those opportunities that minimize the cost and yet still achieve the same results that is protecting the future value of the city of Brookview.

1230
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:35,000
I guess at the end of the day, I'm confused because I'm not sure how short of changing ordinance we can minimize those costs.

1231
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:41,000
We're not driving that cost right now. We've not chosen to file the lawsuit. We're just simply responding to it.

1232
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:50,000
At this point, we're responding. We've made our position so, and I'm not an attorney nor have I played one at TV.

1233
01:45:50,000 --> 01:46:01,000
I just, you know, the cost are what they are. I mean, what little bit I know of the legal system is that we're sort of on a train that has left the station.

1234
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:09,000
And sort of pulling into a siding that we choose to pull into. It's going down the track.

1235
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:19,000
So I'm not sure that why I understand and appreciate what you're saying. I just don't know that we have an opportunity or where we have an option to

1236
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:23,000
mitigate the cost because we're not driving those costs. Well, I'm responding.

1237
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:28,000
I'd also like a reconformation of what the litigation cost is.

1238
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:39,000
When we first discussed this, we talked, we were told that our max cost is going to be this issue cost city 75 grand and it'll be over in nine months.

1239
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:45,000
It's nine months now. We've spent 40 grand on this issue and we haven't even gotten to the courthouse.

1240
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:51,000
So we actually have them to the courthouse. We've been heard. The briefs are filed. We're now waiting for an answer.

1241
01:46:51,000 --> 01:47:01,000
It's not a lengthy trial and it's not 40,000. Half of that was spent for lawyers to create the ordinance and show up at the council.

1242
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:10,000
I've never, I know the cost of litigation and the city will be paying the cost of litigation.

1243
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:19,000
There will be a tremendous amount of prep time prior to that and there will also be appeal of possibly numerous appeals.

1244
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:30,000
So I would like to see, you know, I frankly don't believe the quotes that we were given that about the total cost of.

1245
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:38,000
Let me just wrap this up. But basically, I think we're getting a little off track from what I was suggesting was not that we appeal,

1246
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:44,000
or appeal our ordinance wasn't suggesting that we, you know, the cost was something that did come up.

1247
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:52,000
But to me, if we better understand our position, you know, thoroughly from top to bottom,

1248
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:58,000
I think it in our options, but mainly our position as to why we did what we did, which I think we did the right thing.

1249
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:09,000
If we better understand that, I think it benefits our citizenry and knowing that there's elected officials have researched every in and out of this area.

1250
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,000
We had a lot of testimony on it. We did have a lot of.

1251
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:17,000
Consultation on this. We did have here from some other attorneys.

1252
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:21,000
And all I'm saying is there's some new questions that came up that I didn't know the answer to.

1253
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:33,000
And I frankly would like to have those answered. And having consultation with attorneys not necessarily involved in the suit would help me better defend our ordinance.

1254
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:38,000
If those questions are answered in such a way that I'm comfortable with them.

1255
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:46,000
So, again, I was very clear and Joe was clear that we supported our ordinance and we thought our ordinance was the right thing to do.

1256
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:54,000
And we still do think that. There were some questions that were about that weren't brought up when we were researching this and we were consulting and voting on it that I wanted to have.

1257
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,000
I think we need to have answered. And if you could go back and watch the meeting.

1258
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:12,000
I think you'll see, they just wanted to very cogent questions that I think will help us better understand the impact of our ordinance and better defend it to our constituents to let them know.

1259
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:20,000
Because my whole purpose for going to that meeting was to let the people know that we took a lot of time with this decision. There was rational thought behind it.

1260
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:29,000
And I think they were appreciative of that. But there were some very intelligent questions about our ordinance that I think need to be answered.

1261
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:35,000
And I don't like you, your point to your point, Rebecca, that you know, keep searching, keep getting answers.

1262
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:40,000
And then they'll have new ones to come up that, you know, we keep, that's not what I'm talking about.

1263
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:52,000
Just, you know, part of being an attorney or a part of being an elected official or just a business venue, you know, you review every so often your policies and procedures and to make sure that they're doing what they're intended to do.

1264
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:56,000
And I think to have the full more full confidence in what we've done.

1265
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:03,000
And I think as wise on our part and I don't want, I don't want to give the wrong impression.

1266
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:09,000
Again, I support our ordinance. I think our council supports our ordinance. I think it's the right thing to do.

1267
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:13,000
I just want to be even more certain of that and getting some questions answered.

1268
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,000
I think we'll help us convey that to our constituents even better.

1269
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,000
Mr. Mayor, if you may, let's just two points.

1270
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,000
One is, I'd like to suggest to all of us, there's a court case coming up.

1271
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:33,000
So pretty much, what happens after that cause that court case is going to predict what ever new we go down.

1272
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:39,000
I'm very much in favor of following through on this. I'm going to suggest that we pick this conversation up after that court date.

1273
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:46,000
And it'll make a lot more sense of what we can or should be doing in regards to how we handle this issue, if you agree.

1274
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:51,000
And then secondly, I just want to make, I make the comment about that evening.

1275
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:58,000
One of the most valuable outcomes of it, people were just generally satisfied to have us there to have a conversation.

1276
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Now up to this point, we pretty much have been muscled on this issue.

1277
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:07,000
And we all ran on the basis of transparency and that was transparency.

1278
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:12,000
You know, we needed to do that. They had the right to have that conversation with us.

1279
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:21,000
It was valuable. We came back with information that we didn't have before, which opened our eyes and was sharing some of that with you now.

1280
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:26,000
That was a lesson. I mean, you can get caught in this rut sometimes.

1281
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,000
And I very much appreciated the opportunity to do that.

1282
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,000
But I suggest that we pick this back up after the, instead of deferring it.

1283
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,000
Whenever the court date is had.

1284
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,000
Well, it's not what we're waiting for is a ruling from the court.

1285
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,000
Right. Well, time certain.

1286
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,000
Yeah, I mean, we can do it. And we can have this discussion in the executive session.

1287
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,000
Okay.

1288
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:51,000
That's that's that's that's what I would recommend that we do since we are talking about ongoing litigation.

1289
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:58,000
But I'll also in the meantime, from an education standpoint, and I'll let the attorney decide.

1290
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:05,000
If you look at our ordinance, there are pages and pages of citations of cases that we used to make our decision on.

1291
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:14,000
I would like to make those cases readily available. I'd like, you know, we, we got to discuss with a bunch of information on to the extent we can put all of that information or as much as we can.

1292
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,000
Available on the website. I'd like to have that out there.

1293
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:22,000
So if somebody wants to absolutely take the time to do the research that we did to come up with that decision.

1294
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:27,000
That's that info that they don't have to go through and search case by case or, you know, impact.

1295
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:32,000
But, you know, let's take, let's take what we've referenced in the ordinance and make it available.

1296
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:40,000
So if somebody is interested in reading through, they have that opportunity to do so without having to, to find it wherever it is that they can find it.

1297
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:47,000
Also, the preamble to the ordinance does cite a number of those cases, Mr. Sir. So it's there.

1298
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:59,000
And let's make it easy for people to find that. Let's, let's us create a link, somehow, to that information, so that if they can go to one source for Kevin.

1299
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:04,000
Shea.gov and go from there to find that information.

1300
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:08,000
I think what you're, what you're talking about is educating the public.

1301
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:14,000
And why we made the decision made and, and I don't know that putting forth a bunch of legal court cases,

1302
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:20,000
the general public's not going to spend the hours that we spent reading this thing.

1303
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:32,000
What you're really talking about is getting more proactive information out there to the public and educating them on why the city moved in the direction it moved in.

1304
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:44,000
We have been very silent and supporting the decisions or really explaining the decisions that we, you know,

1305
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:50,000
the details of why we acted the way we acted in acting the ordinance.

1306
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:58,000
If, you know, if you want to do that, I think that would be a very good thing to do.

1307
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:11,000
And I think that was one of the things that came up under that meeting is I saw that J and Joe did address the public and sort of give a little bit more background in context of why we went down the way.

1308
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:18,000
Why, why we had to have an ordinance because of constitutional issues, defects in the, the Afghani ordinance.

1309
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:22,000
You know the point you bring it up baits are that they're not mutually exclusive.

1310
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:30,000
I think both of those categories probably need to be had a separate tab, I think, but those that want to do the research on this and be educated.

1311
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:34,000
You should be afforded to them in the, in the full, in the full mante here.

1312
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:47,000
And if we do it in progression of how we, if we do it in the progression of how we actually did it during council meetings in chronological order let them see how we evolved in our decision.

1313
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:54,000
And then a more proactive part on the, on the city here to communicate out.

1314
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,000
I think is, is definitely welcome.

1315
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:01,000
It became apparent from the information that we shared that night that of that survey.

1316
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:07,000
It was either 40 or 60 percent, it was a higher percent of people that had never heard that we were even in a position of the,

1317
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,000
of the, of controversy, 51 percent had 41 heard of this.

1318
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:18,000
And yet, you know, within a five minute conversation, they're apparently the majority of them, we're saying that something that we shouldn't be doing.

1319
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
You know, I brought up the point, I said, I think I brought it up.

1320
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:28,000
And if I didn't, I meant to, that, you know, we worked countless hours on this coming up with our decision.

1321
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:34,000
And now we're looking at a person who made a decision in less than five minutes based upon a survey.

1322
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:41,000
So for my, my premise has always been if you need to know the facts before you make a decision.

1323
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:50,000
So I'm supportive of making sure we get the facts out there for anybody who really wants to go as far as they want to go to learn what we did and why we did it.

1324
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
All right.

1325
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,000
Thank you.

1326
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,000
We don't need executive suggestion.

1327
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,000
There we, yes.

1328
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,000
We did.

1329
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,000
Real estate and legal.

1330
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,000
Okay.

1331
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,000
Do we want to do it now or after the council meeting?

1332
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,000
Do we have enough time?

1333
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,000
Yeah.

1334
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,000
Okay.

1335
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,000
I make a motion that we go into executive session.

1336
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,000
Is there a second?

1337
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,000
Now for a real estate matter.

1338
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,000
And litigation.

1339
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,000
And a litigation matter.

1340
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,000
Is there anything else?

1341
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,000
There's a second.

1342
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,000
A second.

1343
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Any discussion?

1344
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:25,000
All of it.

1345
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:26,000
We're joining executive session.

1346
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,000
See if I still by saying aye.

1347
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,000
Aye.

1348
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,000
Aye.

1349
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,000
Hello.

1350
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,000
All right.

1351
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:30,000
There's your motion.

1352
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,000
Ms. Fair moves that we adjourn executive session.

1353
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,000
Excuse me.

1354
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,000
Is there a discussion?

1355
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:37,000
All in favor of coming out of executive session.

1356
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,000
Sit and pass up by saying aye.

1357
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,000
Aye.

1358
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:40,000
All opposed?

1359
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,000
All right.

1360
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,000
We're out of executive session.

1361
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:45,000
Just may I move that we adjourn the meeting.

1362
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,000
Aye.

1363
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,000
Second.

1364
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,000
Any discussion?

1365
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,000
All in favor of adjournment of the work session.

1366
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,000
Aye.

1367
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,000
Aye.

1368
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,000
All opposed?

1369
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:56,000
All right.

1370
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,000
We're adjourned.

1371
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,000
Okay.

1372
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,000
Welcome to the.