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[0:03] We will call this meeting to order. Let's start off with roll call.
[0:13] Chair Kevin.
[0:14] Present.
[0:16] Commissioner Waco. Present.
[0:18] Commissioner Bor.
[0:19] Present.
[0:20] Commissioner Corroso.
[0:22] Present.
[0:23] Commissioner Fréder.
[0:25] Present.
[0:26] Commissioner Araja.
[0:29] Commissioner Udoma.
[0:31] Present.
[0:31] Commissioner Gepaay.
[0:33] Present.
[0:34] Commissioner Turner.
[0:35] President.
[0:36] Council Member McGarvey.
[0:41] Chair, do you have a card?
[0:43] Awesome. All right, let's stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
[0:47] Pledge
[0:51] of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
[0:54] and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
[0:59] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[1:11] All right, we'll jump to 1.2 here.
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[2:01] the interest of maintaining focus and the effective use of time.
[2:05] Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
[2:11] The Planning Commission consists of 11 resident volunteer members, two of which are young
[2:15] adult members appointed by the City Council to advise the City Council on planning and
[2:20] land use issues. The Commission discusses and evaluates development proposals based on zoning
[2:27] regulations and comprehensive plan policies. The Planning Commission vote is a recommendation
[2:34] that is forwarded to the City Council for official and final action.
[2:41] All right, we'll move to item three on the agenda, the approval of the agenda.
[2:50] Are there any additions or changes to the agenda?
[3:01] Not.
[3:02] May I have a motion to approve the agenda as presented?
[3:05] So moved.
[3:10] All right, the motion has been made.
[3:12] It has been seconded.
[3:14] Any further discussion?
[3:16] All in favor?
[3:17] say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right, motion carries. The next agenda item is the approval
[3:30] of the consent agenda which includes the minutes from the previous meetings.
[3:38] Are there any changes
[3:39] to the meeting minutes for consent agenda?
[3:45] Can I get a motion? All
[3:51] right, motion has
[3:52] been made. Can I get a second? All right. Second. It has been second. All in favor say
[3:58] aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Motion carries. The next item is 5.1.
[4:13] Planning case Q2 edition.
[4:18] QT.
[4:30] Good evening Chair Kavan and members of the Planning Commission for the record
[4:33] Cara Donovan, senior planner, and I am presenting a preliminary
[4:37] plac case this evening to 4121 for QT edition. The applicant
[4:42] proposes expanding the applicant's property at 6909
[4:46] Winnet Avenue North to accommodate their expanding
[4:48] business.
[4:51] So the properties are located in the southwest
[4:53] portion of the city on Winnet Avenue North just north of
[4:56] 694.
[5:00] The subject properties are 3.4 acres and they
[5:04] business and industrial properties,
[5:10] sorry.
[5:11] The applicant is requesting approval of a preliminary
[5:13] plot, which will move the Western property line
[5:16] to the West slightly.
[5:17] So if you see that little curvature, essentially,
[5:20] the property line will be moved over to the West,
[5:22] which you'll see in the preliminary plot.
[5:24] The property is Zoned Business Park District
[5:27] and is surrounded by Business Park District and Industrial.
[5:32] So the preliminary plot is on the screen
[5:35] and you can see lot one on the East.
[5:37] It will be a little clearer on the next screen.
[5:39] And lot two on the west.
[5:41] Lot one is owned by the applicant,
[5:44] which we have a representative online tonight
[5:46] if we have any questions for them.
[5:49] It's a little bit easier to see on this screen,
[5:51] but lot one is on the east side.
[5:53] That will be 2.5 acres.
[5:55] And on the west side, the lot two will become 0.8 acres.
[5:59] Staff recommends approval of this preliminary plot
[6:02] with conditions listed in the draft resolution.
[6:05] and this concludes staff presentation.
[6:13] Okay.
[6:17] Does the applicant have anything to add at this time?
[6:20] We can come back to you.
[6:27] We'll come back.
[6:28] We'll open it up to the public.
[6:31] Anyone from the public would like to speak to this fine item?
[6:37] Not saying any.
[6:38] All right, we'll close the public portion
[6:40] and bring it back to the commissioners.
[6:43] Commissioners, any questions?
[6:48] I have one.
[6:49] And so does the applicant own both parcels right now,
[6:56] and they're just dividing the lot or?
[6:59] No, the applicant owns the eastern property that
[7:02] will be expanded, not the western property.
[7:04] OK.
[7:05] And currently that lot is empty?
[7:09] The western lot has a parking lot,
[7:11] and the eastern lot has an existing building on site
[7:14] and a parking lot, as you can sort of see in this image.
[7:17] any plans for a lot to they want to do with that lot to is not owned by the
[7:22] applicant I'm not aware of any interested in development in the future
[7:25] commissioner
[7:35] welcome yet just follow up to chairs question in terms of so is there
[7:42] a change of ownership for lot two or who's requesting this change thank you
[7:49] the owner of lot one or the owner of lot one on the eastern side is the
[7:55] applicants and they are looking to expand their property to the West with they've
[7:59] been in discussions with the owner of the lot to to do this work so there is no
[8:05] change of title yet right I mean it's not acquired and I guess in terms of the
[8:11] right to request any use of it the entitlement to the parcel is not
[8:19] created yet, right? The title will, I'm not sure, one moment.
[8:30] Thank you Chair Kavan,
[8:31] members of the Planning Commission. A title commitment has been drawn up by the
[8:36] the applicant for the proposal of purchasing this lot until the lot has
[8:40] been legally subdivided. They can't purchase a portion of a legal lot so they
[8:46] once the application is completed and approved and then the plat has been
[8:50] filed then they can close on the property. So there is an agreement in place for the transfer
[8:57] of the property.
[8:59] Oh, okay. There is agreement between the owner of LAT 1 and LAT 2.
[9:05] That's correct. We do have consent from both parties.
[9:10] Okay, that makes sense. Is the owner of LAT 2 here present today to say anything on
[9:17] this?
[9:23] Yeah, I guess the kind of, you know, where I'm going with this is in the absence of entitlement
[9:29] to the parcel or seeing agreement, it will be hard for owner of LAT 1 to request any
[9:36] changes on LAT 2 that has not yet established ownership of the space yet.
[9:44] So maybe the owner of LAT 2 should request for the purpose of, you know, this change.
[9:51] I don't know.
[9:51] Chair Kavanagh and council members or planning commission members, in order to process an
[9:57] application we don't permit an application to be made on behalf of someone else.
[10:01] For this application we did require legal documentation showing that this application
[10:08] is approved by both parties.
[10:10] So we didn't just allow this property owner to make a request to move the lot line onto
[10:15] the neighboring parcel.
[10:16] They have a legal agreement, there is a title commitment in place that our legal
[10:19] team is required to review before applications such as this are brought to city council. So
[10:25] we do have permission from both property owners. QT, the property owner of lot one was the legal
[10:32] applicant in this case. So they are the contact for staff to work with on this request.
[10:42] Thank you. Thank you.
[10:46] Thank you. You did say that there's an agreement in place.
[10:54] But this agreement has not been consummated yet, so it can still fall apart.
[11:00] Is that my understanding?
[11:04] Thank you, Karen Chauvin.
[11:05] Members of the Planning Commission, that is correct.
[11:08] At this point, the sale is contingent on the approval of the Platt.
[11:12] Yes, and then that also brings me back to the Commissioner's point.
[11:18] Shouldn't the owner of Lot 2 be the one requesting this instead of Lot 1?
[11:24] on because it seems like they're jumping the gun
[11:26] when this thing can still fall apart.
[11:29] Because if we go ahead and do this,
[11:31] you know, and I agree to this in my humble opinion,
[11:35] then we're also jumping the gun
[11:36] because if it falls apart,
[11:39] then wouldn't it still be binding
[11:41] that we have subdivided somebody else's plot,
[11:44] you know, when they haven't purchased it yet?
[11:47] The county won't allow for the filing of the plat
[11:49] without the signatures of both.
[11:51] They the county requires on the plat so I know we're only looking at the preliminary plat
[11:56] But in cases we have brought for the final plat for you to look at the planning commission doesn't need to
[12:02] Approve the final plat that only goes straight to city council, but there's a signature block that has I believe it's 15 different
[12:09] Signatures it starts with the county has to sign off on it the surveyor has to sign off on it the city manager
[12:17] manager, the mayor also has to sign off on it, but also a party from each property if
[12:22] it is under different ownership is required legally by the county and by statute to sign
[12:28] the plat.
[12:28] So the county will not file it without notarized signatures from both parties so they can't
[12:35] legally be filed without that approval from both parties.
[12:39] Okay, why don't they wait till all these things are done before they bring it
[12:43] over?
[12:43] And why rush it down when everything is not signed?
[12:48] I'm just curious.
[12:49] You want to?
[12:50] Yes, Chair Kaven and members of the Planning Commission.
[12:54] This is legally the first step.
[12:57] So that piece of the property line can't be moved
[13:01] without the permission of both parties.
[13:04] And the current owners of the QT parcel
[13:08] can't purchase that additional land until it's split.
[13:13] So legally this is what needs to happen first both parties will sign the final plat
[13:18] And then the financial then they can close on the lot
[13:22] I also wanted to go back to a previous question and just say that
[13:27] You're not reviewing any
[13:29] entitlements for use of that new area yet that would happen later once the
[13:35] The new lot is created and the closing happens and then any new use would come back to you. So legally
[13:43] this is the first step. That lot has to be, the lot line needs to be moved before anything
[13:49] else can happen.
[13:51] Yeah, I'm not arguing with that, but thank you. My, you know, my point of discussion is
[13:58] that what if this falls apart, you know, then what happens? And, you know, I know that,
[14:06] you know, everybody signed off, but it's not done. You know, it can still fall apart.
[14:10] what happens then if that happens.
[14:14] That's all I wanted to know.
[14:16] Chair Kavan, members of the Planning Commission, thank you.
[14:19] So I will go back to this aerial photo.
[14:22] So this case was very unique in that the actions stemmed
[14:27] from our enforcement, our neighborhood health team
[14:32] had concerns about code violations on this site
[14:35] that stemmed from outdoor storage.
[14:37] However, as you can see from this aerial,
[14:39] there was some encroachment on the neighboring land by vehicles that were
[14:44] parked outside of the ordinance not on paved surface. So when the city approached
[14:49] them it was determined that the parking lot in order for them to remain parked
[14:52] there they would have to expand the parking lot but in order to do that they
[14:56] would have to purchase a portion of the lot.
[15:00] Owned by the adjacent property owner. So in the event that this plat does not get approved or that falls apart, the property owner would have to cease parking on that lot, which they already have to because there's no parking lot there, but they would not be able to expand that.
[15:17] And so in the event that this falls through, they would need to reestablish any vegetation that was disturbed.
[15:24] So this is a step towards coming into compliance.
[15:29] The property owner is interested in expanding their business and working with the city to come into compliance.
[15:34] So this is the first step.
[15:36] Once this is approved, then they will be able to work with their team on determining where that new parking lot is going to go and pave it.
[15:43] And so then they'll come into compliance.
[15:45] So if it falls through, then they just won't be able to do anything.
[15:48] They'll have to reestablish that vegetation.
[15:51] Thank you so much.
[15:52] Appreciate it.
[15:56] any other comments okay
[16:02] yeah
[16:05] thank you for the presentation first of all the
[16:12] people that want to add land to their portion they have what business are they
[16:18] doing in a one-day already occupied they're
[16:27] a roofing business so
[16:35] now with
[16:36] this coming to us yet what what what what is required because all of the
[16:41] question my co-worker, even the destination she gave, I understand that. But what is expected
[16:47] of us here? Now, why is it before us when the green mass going nowhere to secure that
[16:56] place?
[16:59] Yeah, you can go to the microphone so they can pick it up. Sorry.
[17:11] To move a lot line in the city of Brooklyn Park, and it's pretty consistent throughout
[17:16] about all the cities, a planning process has to happen.
[17:20] You can't just buy some property from your neighbor
[17:24] and describe it, buy it and then do it.
[17:26] The city wants to get involved so that doesn't happen
[17:31] where they end up with unconforming lots
[17:34] and stuff like that.
[17:35] So the planning process is just the two people
[17:40] get together, have a bigger lot.
[17:42] They want to split it in a different way than it is now.
[17:45] They have to go through this process first to get the split then they can
[17:53] Sell them that little piece of property that they
[17:55] And back in the day you just bought that little piece property, but the cities don't
[18:00] Request you to plat stuff now
[18:02] So you got to go through this process to move the lot line once the lot lines moved
[18:07] Then they can move forward on developing their little piece of property
[18:12] in, and that would all come back at you guys before they would have to show you what they're
[18:17] trying to do.
[18:19] So if I get you right, we are just here to show whether that portion can be split off
[18:26] the other side.
[18:27] Correct.
[18:28] That's all we're going to do.
[18:28] You guys are okay with that.
[18:30] Okay.
[18:32] Sorry about that.
[18:32] Yeah.
[18:33] Thank you for your permission.
[18:37] Yeah.
[18:38] For me?
[18:38] for that. Can you turn your mic on?
[18:44] My question is, okay, they want this little piece of land.
[18:50] What happens if they decide down the road that they want to expand it more than what
[18:57] they're asking for? What do we do then? You'd have to come before you guys. Then again.
[19:03] Another planning process, correct.
[19:06] From my little understanding of this here,
[19:11] it makes more sense to make up your mind on exactly how much
[19:15] space you want and how much space the other
[19:19] landowner is willing to give up
[19:23] if you're going to grow a business. You don't take a small lot.
[19:28] A small lot will get
[19:31] filled up and then now you you have no space to do anything so I mean my thing
[19:41] is I have no issues signing off on it but in the long run they're still gonna
[19:49] come back and do it again that's that is my only my only worry chair cave in
[19:55] and Council, or members of the Planning Commission.
[20:00] Thank you.
[20:01] I do understand what you, where your concern is.
[20:05] Staff's review did indicate that.
[20:07] So the lot two that's currently there,
[20:10] that was, that will be staying that way
[20:13] because the property owner would still be able
[20:16] to develop that.
[20:17] So there's the parking area.
[20:19] There's also room for them to build another structure.
[20:21] So at this time, that was the maximum
[20:24] that that property owner was willing to sell so lot to that that's what that's
[20:29] going to be in the future if they change their mind the property owners could
[20:33] come to an agreement separate from the city so right now it's only to move the
[20:38] request is to move the line from right here to right here the only request that
[20:44] they want to know is if you guys are okay with moving that line to the
[20:48] new location it's so there's no development proposed at this time they
[20:52] They're not expanding anything right now.
[20:54] They just want to move the line from one spot to another.
[20:59] Yeah.
[21:01] Go ahead.
[21:02] I have one question.
[21:04] Maybe just a clarification.
[21:07] And I'm not of attorney background.
[21:11] So, but this is, you know,
[21:14] in the absence of not hearing from owners of lab one and two.
[21:18] Is this really the process to really draw a line or even planning commission to say okay
[21:28] to draw a line when we haven't heard from, you know, the owners and what kind of precedent
[21:38] that would be and I just curious about the process and maybe I, you know, I want to
[21:45] learn more about the process itself and we're letting here move a line where the rightful
[21:59] owners are not here expressing.
[22:03] Yes.
[22:04] Do you want to take that or?
[22:08] I can try.
[22:12] Go ahead.
[22:13] Thank you, Chair Gaven and members of the Planning Commission.
[22:16] The applicants are not required to be at the Planning Commission meetings.
[22:18] We do invite them.
[22:19] I believe that there's somebody online right now, but they're not required to be here
[22:23] What they are required to do is to go through the application process with staff part of that is requiring a title commitment, which our
[22:30] City attorney does review and that requires both applicants or sorry both law owners to be party to that
[22:36] also Hennepin County reviews the plat
[22:40] proposal and
[22:42] That is part of the process and so even though the applicants may not be here tonight
[22:46] staff has worked with them and Hennepin County has worked with them along with our city attorneys.
[22:53] I don't have anything to add. Okay. Thanks. Just feel comfortable.
[23:04] Another thing I wanted to understand and I kind of overshadowed the two the two the two
[23:13] last we are talking about for two different people and if I got you right the person that
[23:19] that once the adjustment is the one that the product request.
[23:24] Yes, so the applicant is the owner of lot one
[23:27] on the east side that will be expanding.
[23:29] The other property owner of lot two
[23:31] is not necessarily the applicant,
[23:32] but they are involved in the process.
[23:35] Okay, what I'm looking at as a concern is this,
[23:40] we are two different people with on land,
[23:42] here on land, here on land.
[23:44] One person comes to request.
[23:47] is this city aware that the other person is involved or the person that is making a request
[23:53] came and said, oh, I made agreement with that person because in that way,
[24:00] I'm not a judge
[24:02] or I'm not a lawyer in any way, but I see something that is for me is fishy. One person
[24:10] wants it, he comes and says, okay, I talked to the other person so that they can give
[24:14] in a portion of land. How sure are we that the other person that the person he's requesting
[24:19] to land from actually agreed that he wants our land to be moved?
[24:24] Yes. It's a good question. The second law owner would be required to provide their signatures,
[24:30] therefore signing off on the process. So they provided those signatures?
[24:35] They will once this application goes through City Council and then we have the final
[24:39] and they will sign on that signature block that Erin McDermott explained earlier.
[24:44] So they will be required.
[24:45] Are we putting the cart before the house?
[24:48] No.
[24:48] Because I think the other person should have some agreement
[24:53] who can even say, okay, we agree that the land can be moved.
[24:57] I would be very happy to send you our applicant summary
[25:00] for all of our land use policies.
[25:03] We have a PDF that walks applicants through step-by-step
[25:06] on what the application is required.
[25:08] We do require as part of ordinance for the subdivision consent from both parties
[25:13] It is a part of the application before they can even get to the city
[25:17] They have to obtain
[25:18] Signatures from both property owners to make sure that they have the legal authority to do this before we even consider it
[25:25] They have to provide us proof that they can't I would be very happy to walk through all of our application processes
[25:32] So you guys can see what happens before these items get to you
[25:37] But this request is a specific request, and so I think that maybe at the next meeting that
[25:43] we have, kind of educate, so that you guys know what happens before you get to and have
[25:50] all of the information in front of you, I would be very happy to put together a presentation
[25:55] for you.
[25:56] It's just a little bit of a concern I'm having here because, I mean, I'm looking ahead from
[26:03] a layman, I see people, I'm from a place where people can fight over land easily.
[26:09] Right.
[26:10] And then I do understand it.
[26:11] Or somebody sells a parcel and the person's going, oh, you sold my parcel of land.
[26:16] That's why I would like to be able to provide you with the assurances that staff is doing
[26:21] what we need to do to protect both parties as well as the city.
[26:24] So I think that having that educational portion to go through what is required for each of the applications would be beneficial moving forward
[26:33] Okay, I'm gonna say thank you
[26:36] commissioner war
[26:38] So in summary what I'm understanding is that you have a process
[26:43] We are a check-in balance as a commission within that process that you brought forward to show us
[26:50] what's happening and rest assured that you will gather all the proper signatures in the
[26:55] legality of it all. We simply are here to say, yep, we get it, it makes sense, but
[27:00] we are not responsible to assure that you follow your work. I mean, I'm taking it as
[27:07] you know your job and you do that. I'm not going to worry that you haven't got the
[27:11] signatures because you wouldn't be here if you didn't.
[27:13] That's correct. We also, all of these procedures are written out in statute. So
[27:18] If you are interested, it's in the code and I can direct you there as well if you're interested.
[27:24] So thank you.
[27:25] So yeah, and just to add on to that, the city attorney will, you know, obviously guide this before it gets approved by city council and the county will not approve any plat until all the signatures are final.
[27:38] There are still more checks as we go along.
[27:47] Pressure off.
[27:48] All right.
[27:48] Thank you.
[27:49] All right.
[27:52] It's the way it is.
[27:54] Can I get a motion?
[27:55] I will motion.
[27:56] To recommend approval of a preliminary plot for QT edition at 6909 Wanaka Avenue North for the creation of two lots.
[28:07] All right. Can I get a second?
[28:10] I'll second the motion.
[28:11] All right. Motion has been made. It has been seconded.
[28:15] Any further discussion?
[28:17] Thank you.
[28:21] Let's vote all in favor.
[28:22] Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Yes. Thank you. All right. Motion carries with eight, four, one against.
[28:34] All right, we're moving on to the next
[28:41] agenda item.
[28:47] Is it...
[28:49] Well, any other business?
[28:52] Yeah,
[29:02] I remember those.
[29:02] All right, we'll move to number three.
[29:05] We have a
[29:09] discussion item tonight.
[29:11] Yeah.
[29:12] So when is it going to council?
[29:15] Oh, that item will be going to the November 25th city council meeting.
[29:20] November 25th.
[29:22] Thank you.
[29:24] No.
[29:25] It's Monday before things.
[29:27] Oh, that's Monday.
[29:28] Okay.
[29:30] Okay.
[29:37] an applicant is still on the phone so I think they they heard that as well so
[29:42] all right let's go to item seven Northwest Metro Transit Park and ride
[29:49] discussion. Good evening Chair Kevan members of the Planning Commission I'm
[29:54] here to discuss the Northwest Area Parking Ramp. This item is coming before
[29:59] for you.
[30:00] As a discussion due to the city moving forward with the blue line, the next part of this process
[30:11] that is involved is Met Council and Metro Transit are planning to replat the property near Target
[30:19] Corporate Canvas along Oak Grove Parkway. There are a number of smaller properties that
[30:26] are all under similar ownership and there is a plan realignment of Oak Grove Parkway
[30:31] for the blue line extension with this being the first stop on the blue line. So this is
[30:38] an aerial photo of all the undeveloped land in that area. As part of the stationary plan
[30:46] as adopted in 2018, this intersection shown is the future site of the park and ride
[30:55] which will be built by Metro Transit.
[30:58] So this discussion is coming before you tonight
[31:02] because due to the time that has gone by
[31:07] since the adoption in 2018,
[31:11] the code has changed some of the,
[31:14] and the council and the commissions have changed.
[31:17] And so we wanted to come to verify
[31:20] that you are still interested in the park and ride site the way that it was
[31:26] proposed and adopted in the station area plan. There was a request to consider
[31:31] the possibility of moving the park and ride to the corner. This is the park and
[31:37] ride as it exists in the station area plan so as you can see the white box is
[31:41] the Park and Ride, with the green structures surrounding the Park and Ride for future development.
[31:52] The way that it was designed initially is to be pedestrian friendly. There is access
[31:57] to the Oak Grove Parkway Station, which is the yellow box throughout the site. So
[32:05] So this image is turned. The south would be on the left. So to the east of the park and
[32:11] ride as well as from the entire perimeter. So there was a request to see if there was
[32:17] any interest in moving the park and ride site to what is the top left of this image
[32:24] to move it onto the corner. I
[32:32] like it. I'm okay with as proposed. Although I thought
[32:39] But we talked about the setback lines and we're getting things closer to the, I forget if
[32:51] this is zone TOD, right, okay, so that wasn't part of, yeah, I don't think that was part
[33:00] of bringing everything to the, closer to the street, is that correct?
[33:05] Well, so within the zoning district everything is required to be between 1 and 12 feet from
[33:10] the property line so that is either the commercial or mixed use opportunities
[33:16] where the green buildings are or the park and ride so if if the small the
[33:22] station area plan were to be amended the park and ride would be required to be
[33:25] one to 12 feet from that corner okay so right up on the sidewalk or there
[33:31] would we can have it wrapped by commercial or housing opportunities on
[33:36] on all four sides with access to the sidewalk.
[33:42] The green space to the east,
[33:49] the bottom of the picture?
[33:51] Is that your reference?
[33:53] I'm sorry, to the north.
[33:56] That is, I thought that was a potential development.
[34:02] That's correct.
[34:04] The way that the station area is set up
[34:06] is for intended development to wrap around the parking
[34:10] ramp so that it is not visible from the street the way it's currently presented yep okay yeah
[34:21] I like that it's just still hidden or yeah above ground yeah it is it's a I forget four
[34:32] stories or three the parking the structure 900
[34:40] parking stalls I believe that it is it
[34:44] was four levels.
[34:49] There's also at this point in the discussion Metro Transit is
[34:53] considering putting two levels underground for public use or use for the
[34:59] developments around but that's still in negotiations. The reason we're bringing
[35:04] this forward today is in the very near future this body will be considering the
[35:08] subdivision which is the same process that we just went through for the
[35:12] realignment of the street. And so with that we also need to know where the
[35:17] property line for the park and ride will be being will be placed.
[35:24] Sounds great.
[35:25] And then the who's responsible for maintenance of the trees everything
[35:30] else on Broadway. So at at this point so the the maintenance of the streets
[35:35] gaping is is city owned the the streets gaping on the property line
[35:41] depending on who has the ownership.
[35:45] So right now the intent would be
[35:47] that Met Transit would own the parking ramp.
[35:50] And because of the setback requirements,
[35:54] they would own that property,
[35:55] and then the property owners of the developments around it
[35:59] would be under different ownership.
[36:01] So that could look a few different ways
[36:03] there could be a joint agreement for maintenance
[36:07] depending on what that ownership looks like.
[36:11] Got it. And then when I look at this, this appears at this oak grove is the final station.
[36:19] I thought in the past it was a small maintenance garage that continues.
[36:27] Is that not the case? So there will be the maintenance facility to the north here.
[36:35] So if you are looking at this site, the maintenance facility will be up on this site.
[36:40] This will be the first station of the blue line for public access.
[36:44] This is where everyone can get onto the blue line and ride.
[36:47] Okay.
[36:50] Can you go back to that other plan?
[36:52] Definitely. This one?
[36:53] One more back.
[36:56] All right. So it continues and then turn to the right, I mean to the left.
[37:02] So the blue, yeah, the blue line on there is the blue line.
[37:09] All right,
[37:13] I'll shut up. Let others speak. I
[37:24] like the design. I like, you know, 922 spaces
[37:29] really very good to accommodate a lot of needs.
[37:36] I think maybe one question is the bus ride
[37:40] on the noble and that will continue, right, with the blue line coming and parking.
[37:47] That's correct. Metro Transit will continue to maintain that ramp at Noble. This is just
[37:53] to accommodate different people getting on at different portions.
[37:57] Okay. Yeah, good. Thank you.
[38:03] I think my question is more related to the parking ride that's literally less than a
[38:08] mile away. How would that impact the activity there? Have we thought about the flow and,
[38:14] You know because of course right across the street is is still empty and what are the what are the plans there?
[38:21] I know we had some previous discussions around that, but just wonder, you know, how would that impact?
[38:27] You don't want things to not be utilized, right?
[38:30] So part of the blue line is to the proposal to obtain
[38:35] Federal funding and other funding for this site requires a very thorough level of detail
[38:41] We have a very wonderful group of engineers who've done all of those traffic analyses to make sure that the addition of this parking ramp isn't going to, you know, make a different parking ramp obsolete that we definitely don't want to see that we don't want vacant ramps just sitting there in the city.
[38:58] So they've done those analyses and this is intended to serve the need for this area, especially with the anticipated development.
[39:08] I know that you guys are very excited to hear about the Northwest Area Plan and we will be
[39:13] Getting to those discussions fairly quickly actually
[39:17] That project is well under the way
[39:19] So this project is really like the epicenter of three very cool projects that are going on in the city
[39:27] That you guys will all be hearing about fairly quickly here the Northwest Area Plan the biotech innovation district
[39:32] and then with this being the first stop for the blue line in the city, I think this is a very
[39:38] important property because this is like really where a lot of people are going to have that point of contact with Brooklyn Park
[39:46] So this is intended to also serve what hasn't yet been developed when
[39:57] this first came out, but
[40:00] Do those stoplights there is that a walkway or do they all is that a
[40:07] crossing traffic
[40:09] I don't know if I'm tracking where it's my understanding that there is a pedestrian target. How do they get across under?
[40:18] Yeah, there's a pedestrian walkway. They're under the street to ensure like so the part of this plan was to ensure the pedestrian safety
[40:26] Nate they wanted to make sure like so there's not you minimize the conflict
[40:30] Okay, there's no overpass bridge walkway. They I believe it goes under which is very similar to a lot of others
[40:38] So like the underpass under Noble here,
[40:41] if you were to walk from the city
[40:42] past the water treatment plant,
[40:44] it goes underneath the street.
[40:47] We've been utilizing that a lot.
[40:49] There's similar walkway by North Park
[40:52] to get under the streets that have limited visibility
[40:55] and actually there's a new one going in
[40:58] in very close proximity to this project,
[41:01] just to north of where this map is.
[41:04] Okay, and then my other question is
[41:06] You referred to another parking ramp, not far away.
[41:09] Is that the one at Noble?
[41:11] Or is that near here?
[41:13] The one at Noble.
[41:16] That's often empty and race cars are in there quite often.
[41:19] So I do worry about, I do worry about that much space
[41:24] because I can hear the race cars in my house.
[41:27] That's very, so I worry too about us over building
[41:31] for no apparent reason.
[41:33] And then we have other things that happen.
[41:36] I think that that ramp was built with the anticipation for the light rail and then due to, I mean, a lot of different circumstances it was put on hold.
[41:46] I think that once the light rail comes through that we'll see decrease in activities like that just due to the need for public parking.
[41:56] It would be nice to have some security and payment process so people are going to go in there and race.
[42:01] They at least have to pay to get in.
[42:02] I just wanted to make a clarification point that the parking garage or the parking lot
[42:09] at Noble and 610, that's for the bus rapid transit service, whereas this one would be
[42:14] for the light rail.
[42:15] And there's another one at 63rd in the southern part of the city that will also be a parking
[42:19] ramp for the light rail.
[42:21] And then the crossing here would be at grade is what's proposed right now for pedestrians.
[42:26] Thank you.
[42:35] Got everything you need.
[42:37] I do.
[42:37] Thank you.
[42:38] Is there any additional feedback that you guys want me to bring back to the light real team on this this
[42:45] Parking ramp
[42:46] What does the purple mean?
[42:49] so the
[42:49] part of the Northwest area plan is to come up with a utility plan and
[42:55] Street plan so those are it's just showing potential for across streets as we do the development in the area
[43:03] That's
[43:08] great. Thank you very much for your time. All
[43:15] right
[43:16] moving on to Council Member Garvey isn't here so we'll move on to number nine
[43:26] any Planning Commission comments not
[43:33] see any move on to number oh come I
[43:41] have a
[43:41] comment says that the Council representative is not here I'd like to
[43:49] you know, what's going on with the mall that has, you know,
[43:54] called for and target that the whole area is, yeah, it seems
[43:58] like, you know, businesses are kind of living that mall. Is
[44:04] there a reason do we have a plan in place to do something
[44:09] with it when, you know, I heard through the Grave and
[44:13] that maybe, you know, target or call for one of them
[44:18] So what does the city plan to do, if anything, because they seem to be more on the 16 corridor
[44:26] than this other side?
[44:28] That's where Council Member McGarvey is right now at the community discussion for the closing
[44:37] of COV.
[44:39] That's why he could be here, but Tim just walked in.
[44:42] and I'm sure he has a vision on what that area.
[44:46] So we're just having a great time talking about that cup
[44:50] and the target over there in that corner.
[44:52] So our new economic development leader here.
[44:56] I would like to take this opportunity
[44:58] to introduce you to our new...
[45:00] Community Development Director Tim Gladhill, who can speak on what you're asking about.
[45:07] Thank you for having me. Talked about good timing. I just got back from that workshop at this small business center that I was talking about Cub Foods Target Area.
[45:14] First, a little bit about me. Tim Gladhill, Community Development Director, EDA Executive Director as well.
[45:20] Happy to be here. You'd love to hear that I'm a planner by trade. That's how it will actually get my start in public works.
[45:26] I went into planning and that's been my career trajectory so I spent many hours at these
[45:30] meetings with planning commissions over the years, you do all amazing work.
[45:36] So just walk in, I've been meaning to come and get to know you all and just say hi, timing
[45:40] just hasn't worked out.
[45:41] It just so happened, wrapped up a workshop at the Small Business Center about Brooklyn
[45:45] Boulevard and West Broadway and the increased vacancies there.
[45:49] We are really in a fact-finding mode, what is the community needs, what do they
[45:53] They want to see strategies, everything from do nothing, what the private market do, what
[45:58] the private market does, to aggressive redevelopment and maybe some things in between.
[46:03] So with a good community dialogue, we acknowledge that vacancies are increasing from an economic
[46:09] development perspective that can be scary, but I think Brooklyn Park and of all communities
[46:14] has risen to this occasion time and time again and fill that with really great local
[46:19] businesses as well.
[46:20] So, our focus right now is how do we support the employees that get displaced from these
[46:26] closures and then how do we use our tools, whether it's adjusting zoning rules, intent,
[46:32] or the financial tools that can really access capital so we can get local entrepreneurs
[46:37] into these spaces.
[46:39] If you've been in that area, you look around and there are some really unique spaces
[46:42] that have filled those vacancies of past and I think we can do that again.
[46:46] And we spent a lot of time, conversations with property owners, businesses, community
[46:51] development and police all working together to come up with solutions.
[46:55] So I wish I had the magic answer for you today.
[46:58] We're still working on it, but I think what we're really committed to right now is community
[47:01] conversations to develop the strategy together.
[47:08] So thank you for that.
[47:10] I'm sure you know this, but as you start thinking about redevelopment, I think it's
[47:14] important to think about alignment with the light rail coming through there and
[47:20] what that whole area can be. You imagine, right? I think there's a lot of
[47:26] opportunities there and I think we need to think about the light rail
[47:30] alignment. And Mr. Chair, Commissioner, you know each station has a station area
[47:35] plan. Those were created many years ago. This is an opportunity to look at
[47:40] this. You know this note is a little bit more of a retrofit. Keep the
[47:43] buildings while creating community spaces and better pedestrian connections.
[47:48] And then this is an example where we're leading by example.
[47:51] We bought the entire Northlands Plaza, not only just to site our small business center,
[47:56] but we have a lot of great other tenants in that space as well.
[48:00] So this is an area where we're trying to lead by example, and it's not always easy
[48:04] to make those decisions in the public.
[48:06] We invest a lot to make that happen, but it's the right decision.
[48:12] Awesome. Commissioner Turner asked a question. I don't know if it's about this, but can you give us an update on where you are with the old Park and Ride and the second development proposal?
[48:28] I forget when that's due.
[48:30] Yeah, so that is due, I think the due date for that request for qualifications with developers is November 18th.
[48:39] Earlier last week, we did a webinar
[48:41] kind of with those interested parties
[48:43] to better explain, all right,
[48:45] we've got this RFP in written word.
[48:47] Let's have a interactive dialogue
[48:49] about what we're really looking for.
[48:51] So there were a handful of developers
[48:54] that were on that call.
[48:55] We know that there's more interest.
[48:57] We did get one proposal for the Oxbow site,
[49:00] which is the one further to the west
[49:01] and up from the Park and Ride site.
[49:04] And we expect a couple more.
[49:05] If we need to extend this, you know, we want to make the right decision. Not just who's here now
[49:10] It's got to fit our vision. There's always a chance we extend to get the right user, but we're seeing some interest
[49:16] We'll probably start opening those December January with their EDA
[49:20] So they are EDA on sites, but anytime that happens you have a key role in reviewing those proposals as well
[49:28] Awesome. Thank you.
[49:33] Thank you. All right. Thanks to thank
[49:39] you
[49:45] Yeah, just a couple of things. You will not have a November work session because that would be Thanksgiving. And so far you do not have any applications for your December meeting so that meeting will be cancelled as well.
[50:02] I know. And by the time you come back, your planning director, Mr. Mogesh, should be back
[50:11] in the saddle. So I just wanted to say it's been nice working with you over these months.
[50:15] And I'm sure at some point I'll see you again.
[50:17] Absolutely. Awesome.
[50:19] Thank you.
[50:20] That's right. Yeah, I could just come and hang out, right?
[50:26] Sounds great. Awesome.
[50:28] All right. Anything else?
[50:33] It is, I don't know what time it is, 7.51.
[50:38] We'll adjourn the meeting. Thank you.