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I'd like to call to order the City of Brunswick Planning Commission Meeting for May 2020-24. Mr. Del, would you call a roll? Yes, sir. Mr. Jones. Mr. St. John. Here. Mr. Crusoe. Here. Mr. Minor. Here. Mr. Bedano. Here. All presently. I don't know for. Thank you, Bruce. First item of business is the minutes from our March 5th.

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I have, I will move to approve the minutes.

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Okay.

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I would like to have one sentence at it.

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And the next last paragraph is the discussion continued with Mr.

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Jones stating he thought the density at 16 units was too much.

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But I also said that there was no legal basis to oppose.

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I'm happy to amend with that change.

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Second stands.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Minutes are passed.

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Let's see, under the heading of old business, nothing under new business.

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There is a collection of ten items all brought across in section 4, which I think will treat

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as a group, Bruce, would you like to review your report?

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Yes, but first I'd like to kind of give a little bit of background, because tonight is a

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very nice crowd here this evening, and we don't get this very often, so we want to take advantage of it.

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So tonight is a little unique, all the topics that we're going to be dealing with are in

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First item that's on the agenda are our plans for Section 4, which is the next section coming past the infield house and heading to the back to the east.

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Those will be looked at collectively.

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We also have the second item on the agenda is a clarification modification to the Phase 3 plan.

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It's only for the land block number three, which is directly encompassed as the infield farmhouse, the existing farmhouse.

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And then the third item, which I imagine a lot of you are aware of, is the pad site that is behind the white market.

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It is a site plan for a medical center approval.

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and that is the order in which we're going to be going forward.

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Just to give you an idea, Brunswick Crossing has been going on for a very long time since

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2021.

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In that time we've had probably 50 slow meetings, public meetings in this board with this

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board to learn.

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That doesn't even count what we've done with the mayor and council.

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And I wanted to kind of just give a little bit of a briefing as to how we got to where we are with the two items.

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And I'll go more in depth when we get to those agenda items.

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But on the phase three revision, back some 20 years ago when the concept plan,

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which is called the phase two plan, there was a designation put on the infield house

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of a community office and recreation park area.

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At that time, we didn't know what that community office would be.

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We do have a couple possibilities and we want to clarify that it will be

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some type of professional office.

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A professional office would be something like an attorney,

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Any realtor, lawyers, lawyers and attorneys, same thing, sort of.

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And it can only be something that the whole community could use, not just burns across them, but the community as a whole.

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So, that is the direction we want, the reason we want to do that, and we want to conserve that house.

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The historic nature of the infield house and the fact that it's been being remodeled.

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It's a high visibility lot, it's going to be expensive to maintain that property.

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So, that is why we want to keep that professional office designation to it so that they can maintain it, because if it went to a private homeowner, it could be very expensive to maintain.

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The second piece of the Phase III plan was back in October, some of you may remember,

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some of you may not remember, the developer had come to us with market studies that were

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staying with the assisted living.

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We just couldn't get that in to come to the Brunswick area because of the numbers that we were

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getting from the market study.

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So, this board actually heard that back in October of 2022, but their solution back then was to go to age restricted housing on that parcel.

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This board did not want that, neither did the mayor and council, we wanted to maintain the commercial integrity of the property either being assisted living or some other type of quasi public use such as a medical center.

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As we define it in our ordinance,

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a quasi-public lease could be a church, could be a daycare, could be a medical center,

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could be senior, a senior center, but it has to be in that realm of use.

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That subsequently went to two hearings in the beginning of 23, and

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then in December was approved to be a medical center slash,

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the living is still still still in there.

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We, as a city, have worked that whole year trying to get a medical facility.

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The needs of this community, especially as we age, was an immediate need to have more

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medical facilities located right here in Brunswick.

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That could be a lab, it could be X-rays, it could be physical therapy, it could be all of those

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those types of units all in one building, but it's also could be specialty doctors.

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Doctors that could come in from Frederick and actually come to this location and

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actually have office hours for our community so that we don't have to drive that for.

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So that's what we did, we do go out and try to, I guess, I don't want to say panhandle, but we do kind of panhandle the city.

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We want uses that we need, and we have an immediate need, and as our community ages, we want to be able to provide those needs here.

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Do you want to add anything to that, Julie?

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From an economic development standpoint.

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Julie Marta Rana, City Administrator for the City of Brunswick, and thank you all for coming out.

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I just wanted to add that there are times when the city has to look at what the community needs.

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And knowing that medical, just for the growing population that we have, medical is a big need within this city.

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And then with the addition of age restricted houses, we thought that that need was even more so.

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So the current medical center that we have just is not going to sustain our growing population.

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So that was one reason that the city was helping to try to make this marriage of this space that was already designated for something like that as well as the growing need that we have.

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So it's not that the city gets involved in every single commercial deal that goes down.

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But when it comes to providing services like that for the community, that kind of is our role to make sure that those services are here.

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So I just wanted to make that clear.

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Do you want to make an announcement about the sign-ins and some more people?

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apologize that some of you have to stay in so we'll try to go quickly.

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But if any of you wish to speak this evening that we're going to swear people in,

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And there's a sign-up sheet back there if you have something that strikes you in the middle, you can still get on the list to come up and speak, and there's a sign-up sheet up here as well.

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Okay. Any questions from the board or on any of that background?

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I have a question about the end of the order, as well as the original intentions of that.

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You can ask that question, but wait till we get to the project, okay?

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So the procedure of the meeting is that if you do have a question at the public comment

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portion, you would come up to the podium.

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We won't be addressing questions from the audience because we need it on record.

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Yeah, we can't hear you if you're not at the microphone.

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It doesn't record it.

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And, again, you can sign up at podium at that time if that's what you want.

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You good, Chris?

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I'm great if you ready to start. We'll go into plets.

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Well, before we do that, I would like to remind everyone that we're being audio and video recorded tonight on Channel 99 and streamed on the web through Granitas.

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Now, for anyone who is planning to or may come up to offer testimony, could I get you to stand for a swearing-in?

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Raise your right hand, very good.

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Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, if so say I do.

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I do.

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Thank you.

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We have several plans for Section 4, which are plans 1, 27 through 134 and 134 and 134.

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six. This is a total consists of a hundred and five lots of total. These are the next

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section of Friendswick Crossing as you head east back east along Monocacy Crossing Parkway

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from the infield house. Each one of these plaques was reviewed and prepared and will be recorded

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to court house for new construction or in the buildings.

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The staff is recommending approval of the final plans with the following conditions that the applicant

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addressed all comments from staff from few.

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Plants must be notarized, surveyor, my side, and

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sealed the plots.

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The owners must sign the plans and the applicant is bound by their testimony.

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These are the areas that are created in the park.

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Sir, if you want to have a question, you need to come up to the microphone so it gets recorded.

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We'll get to that in just a minute.

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What we'll call for comments in a minute.

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Before we do that, amongst the Planning Commission members, is there any discussion on these

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flats that Bruce just reviewed?

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Anybody want to offer a public comment about section 4?

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Come up here, crossing.

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Hi, I'm Lynn Broadman, and I want to know are these flats, the lots that are graded and marked, and on which they are in presently building houses, back behind the Enfield, or are these up on the hill where this 55 plus is supposed to go.

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But these are neither.

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The ones that are being graded right now by the infield house are already mixed in with

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other existing houses.

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These are all infield

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houses right about in here.

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Yes.

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This is all about in here.

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So this area doesn't have any houses in it at all.

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The

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infield house is kind of over here, being

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this area right here.

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The

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shopper center up here where the lights is, yes, right up here, the wearing 700 up here.

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So this just has rough grading in it.

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Yeah, these are all graded marked in the utilities are in already.

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Yes. But there's no houses. No, I know that, but there's no, no more moving dirt. There's no more other than the build the house. There's no more infrastructure going in. The roads are in already. The utilities are in already. And that's the area behind the infield house. And it runs down to the trail that goes down into the city of runs. Correct?

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Yes, it's not entirely there, but you're close and I'll bring pleasant stuff to clarify.

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Every section we're talking about is surgical, I'm Dan Fry with pleasant development and runs across.

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This section here is probably about 75% paved.

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All the utilities are in the ground for the entire submission, but there is a section of Monocs to be about half of Monocs to be a channel in this plan right here.

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get to be paid, we're getting ready to do that in the end of June, beginning of July.

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That's when the rest will be paid, but all the utilities are in the ground.

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The section five that's up over the hill, that's not graded yet, that's not part of this section.

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That'll be in the future, so yeah.

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Any other comments from the public planning commissioners, any other discussion?

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If not, the motion would be in order.

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I'll

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move to approve the improvement plan section 4.

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approve the plan.

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Well, it said improvement plan on this move.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Next item of business is

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BRPUD REV 2401.

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The matter of 1300 Potomacue Parkway, otherwise known as the Enfield House.

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the preliminary plan passed through your revision to business or professional office.

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Yeah, I just want to make two corrections to the report.

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Under the analysis where it says 0.09 acres, that should be 0.9 acres.

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And then under the recommendation, the plat, it's looking for that to be coming in as a separate application, that plat is recorded for this lot.

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It's under Platt 83, which was book 104, page 101.

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Lambay,

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all right, nope, here I come down, down, there you go, a slot over.

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All right, Lambay number three is the area where the infill house is located.

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It is, do we have to know how about thinking,

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is that it?

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It's this area right here, can everybody see that?

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Okay, this area right here, this plan was the one, this is the phase two plan that I mentioned at the summary.

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This plan was adopted with the community office and the reactivational facility on this land back.

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There's a stormwater management pond here, the house sits right about here.

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It has been reconfigured some with the lots over the years, but it's the same concept.

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It was always supposed to be a park, always supposed to be the infield house.

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What we're doing today is, we're actually designating that office space as a professional office for the house.

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It's encompassing the original phase two, but on the phase three, it's just a Zenfield park, which is what they called it.

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But we want to designate the house specifically as a professional office.

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Like I said, this is a point nine acre piece, article 21.5 F2 of the zoning ordinance.

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Allows for commercial uses are permitted by right within the B1 zoning district, as approved by the Playa Commission.

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Provided that the development contains 500 or more dwelling units.

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The runs of crossing is 1,505 units, one acre of land per 100 dwelling units may be used for commercial purposes.

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So to put that in perspective, 15 acres of land could be commercial within the residential component.

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The other commercial piece that we have is an MXD overlay, which only allows for commercial uses and also office research.

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So, this piece to give you an idea, where the medical center is, that piece of property is about 2.4 acres.

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This piece is about 0.9, so we're still about a little more than three acres, and we could do 15.

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There is no other property that is going to be commercial.

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These were the only two pieces that were designated, let me get to the end.

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So the applicant has proposed this designation and we want to conserve the integrity and historical nature of this house.

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We do not want it to come down, we want to keep this fight as it is kind of today, do you have the errors that I gave you?

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This is how this is a drone shot of the property.

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You can see it's very visible.

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The park kind of is in the background, and we want to keep this other than landscaping

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and probably a monument sign in parking spaces.

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We want to keep it relatively like it is today.

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We will restore the house.

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It's not going to be torn down.

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They're renovating the inside as we speak.

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And they will have to submit a separate site plan once the user is identified and they purchase the property and come in.

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But this will be a, they're required to stay at a small scale commercial use.

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They can only use 3500 square feet of the building.

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They will have to pay HOA dues just like anything else, but it's based on their square footage.

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So they have a multiplier that they would have to deal with.

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Those documents have to be revised and

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re-recorded to accommodate these commercial identified pieces once those users are ready to move forward.

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Does the board have any questions?

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I have one.

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The State or existing uses community office, what exactly does that entail?

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That it can be utilized by anybody in the community, it's not just for an HOA use.

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So sort of like a remote office space, free workspace type of thing.

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A community workspace for a business to be there, but for it's sort of everybody.

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Does, is there another space like that and runs acrossing already?

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The only other space that's similar would be the medical center's pads, right?

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It's the only other piece that's within the PUD.

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What I mean is, is there any other place in the crossing that has that, like, the clubhouse or something like that, or is there anything?

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No, this is the only piece that could happen.

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And it's because we want to protect that house.

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Is the historical trust or people of that nature are they involved in this?

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I don't think so, it's not designated through the Maryland Historic Trust, but it doesn't mean we don't want to preserve it.

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So Bruce, I'm, what's the change condition here that you're asking it to be re-zoned now, is that?

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We're asking it to be specifically designated as a professional office, so that-

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not keeping a community office.

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Well, because we don't have a designation in our ordinance.

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Okay, so it was 20 years ago.

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It was designed as a community office,

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but we don't have it as in our ordinance.

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Well, I can't answer why they called it a community office.

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20 years ago, it wasn't here.

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So I don't know why.

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I don't know what a community office would even be.

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We don't even have a definition for a community office, so that's why we needed to get it to be something that is more similar to what we have within our ordinance, which is a professional office, and that helps to keep the scale of that use down.

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Is

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it, but what's its zone right now, residential?

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It's PUD, it has, it has like a residential underlying issue.

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It doesn't, it's zone PUD because that's the overlay decimation and within the PUD,

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so that the underlying zone, zone goes away, it follows the PUD rules and that section

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within the ordinance gives us the criteria that I was speaking of under 21.5 F2.

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that says that if they can do these things, they can do what is allowed within the B1 district.

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But they can, they have a limit in which they can do it in the development.

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So we're in a kind of like a limbo state right now.

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It's kind of, it's like establishing a designation within the PUD to allow a B1 use,

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or anything within a B1 use, to be on this site specifically.

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So the, the park, the baseball diamond that's there right now, does that fulfill the other

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statement on here for a park, if I recall it, or what's that?

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Yes.

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So it was a community park.

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The rest of it will still be a park, right?

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So the park part of that sentence is that diamond.

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I know.

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Well, there's, there's, there's, there's other stuff there too, there's a playground.

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And the other part of it.

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So right now the developer, Pleasant's owns the building, right?

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Correct.

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And Pleasant's has done work on restoring it.

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Correct.

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And I don't have access to the meeting notes but I can recall like six months ago or something like that.

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There was some statement about what was going to happen with that building and I guess it was just kind of up in the air.

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So in the interest of doing something with it, Pleasant's invested in restoring it and it's an historical building.

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It makes the definition, it could be designated.

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I thought I saw a sign outside saying something has started, no.

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I can't hear 20 at once.

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So, I mean, I'm a little, from the community office space, it's, it sounds almost romantic

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that you want to work and have a quiet space, so a, it isn't a bronzer, could just walk

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into that building and just take an office space, was that the intent?

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No.

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Okay, the intent was that it was going to be a, like a-

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there to lease or run a business out of a personal business.

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That was the intent.

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Right.

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Right, fine.

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We just didn't know what, or they didn't know what back then.

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I'm confused them.

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Why did they call it a community office?

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Because that sounds just like a regular office.

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Dance.

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Dance.

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I don't know, but they're asking me something.

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I can't answer.

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Who answered?

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What's your building?

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I'm not sure why they called it a community office

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I don't know if the definition of it, but we've had to house for, you know, since the beginning of

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purchase of the infield property, I don't know if it was exactly back in 2001, a long time,

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and we've invested a lot of money into keeping it. We've always made a commitment to the community

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that we would keep it, and we've, you know, over the years replaced the roof, replaced all the windows,

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as we try to do it, you know, to keep the story.

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I will concede the place seems to be well maintained.

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I'm just a little mystified as to who came up with this mystery term and

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got it inserted into the two lot of documents for us this time.

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It was a residential use up until I think 2014.

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We actually had a runner in there.

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And there was a small residence out near 180, that was tore down.

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This one was always envisioned.

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We've actually designed the entire community around it.

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If you come down Potomac View, we actually turn the road, and it is the focal point of Potomac View.

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But I thought Bruce had said that there were supposed to be a, like, swear it off a space type,

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you know, work from home space in there.

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Did you not say that a few sentences ago?

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It actually could have that.

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Okay.

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So that's not what I heard you said.

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So it's going to rest and also use up till about 2014.

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We've considered doing different things over the years.

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We didn't know what it was going to be.

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We decided here over about a year ago to go ahead and just completely renovate the entire inside of the house

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and take it back to a resident.

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We were approached by the current contract purchaser, and the allowable PUD zone, says that you can use the B1 business uses in the PUD. So it met the use requirements in the zoning code. And that's why we're here tonight to ask if that would be an allowable use for this resident.

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And the one thing I'll add as to why we use the B1, it limits the square footage that that building can be.

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In other words, poor business, which helps to keep it small impact, which is why we went that direction.

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It limits it to 500 square feet.

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We put a lot of restrictions in our contract with the contract purchaser as well to maintain the existing look of the house.

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We put provisions in there to make sure stays high viz that they do the landscaping and

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all the upgrades any one of our residents would have to do on their house and they

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cannot make any changes to that unless they need to come back and get that approval from

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you and also when we turn it over to the HOA also with the covenants have some control

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over that as well.

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So Dan, do you have an active party with whom you're negotiating to cook a deal then?

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I have a contract purchased for now, interested in it, and that's why we're here.

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Okay.

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Before that, I was just renovating the house and putting it back to you doing a residential use just to make sure it was done correctly and didn't annoy the residents by me selling it to somebody and taking years to do it, so we're trying to.

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I understand, again, I'm glad to see that you have maintained the building, looks to be in good shape.

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It might be an artifact of the terminology, which we're not exactly sure where it's from.

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But it sounds at first, sounds at first blush when I read the application, like you were going to take what is essentially a community amenity and convert it into commercial space.

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So that's-

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It sounds like when you look at the application, so I may not be the only person who's made that in state, but it would certainly be of concern to me for a community and amenity to convert into a more profit location when so much of the rest of the shopping center is empty or incomplete.

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I just want to try to clear up this community thing, that intent I believe I wasn't here

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20 years ago either, but the intent I believe of this building from the very beginning

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was that it would be used for a business or service that could serve the community.

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Not that it was something under the auspices of the HOA, or that was intended just for

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the use of runsway crossing citizens.

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It was to be used for a service or business that could be used for the entire community.

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I think the unfortunate wording of community was probably not used right, and that's-

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Again, it just sounds like it's not that they probably should have just called it that.

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Yes.

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Well, with that enlightenment, what do you all think, any conversation further from you,

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with that understanding that all these folks have collectively-

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And this is what I'm interested in hearing with the

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revenues I have to say.

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Can I ask one thing, Dan, while you're up there?

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Yes, sir.

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Well, the sentences of the staff report,

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the applicant proposes to renovate the existing

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integral form of protecting historic and aesthetic

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integrity as much as possible and bring the structure

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into code compliance.

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What does that mean?

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We're renovating the house currently

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and trying to restore the interior of the house.

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The exterior is already finished, essentially,

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with exception to some sidewalks.

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And if this is a professional office,

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I don't know if they would have to put a frame maybe in,

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but that would be the only other thing that I could think of.

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But we've put a lot of money into the exterior

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with replacing the windows and kind,

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so it retains the look.

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We've pointed up the brick.

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We've, you know, made repairs that we put a slate looking roof back in I think 2012 to try to continue the look, you know, that is our main focal point in the community, and we intend to do so in the insides.

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And when you go into the main foyer of the house, we're retaining all the existing woodwork and so forth in the foyer area, and some of the other rooms that are just old plaster would be tearing those down.

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on putting drywall and trying to retain some of the old wood floors and so forth so renovations of that nature.

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The house was abused over the years and we're making all of those repairs, we'll have to mesh with the parent renovation.

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Yeah, the contract purchaser is going to continue restoring it back to a residential.

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So they're going to continue the work with exception, you know, in the living room, they may have a meeting room, you know, with the bathroom doors may have to be three feet wide for ADA purposes, and they may have to put some exit signs in, but other than that, they're trying to retain the existing look and feel that that's the proposal.

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So what changes are you going to need to do from a parking lot perspective?

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They'll have to submit a site plan to you guys to, I think, it'll fall under the 2.25 spaces

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per whatever use, or whatever square for 1,000 square for 1,000, or really a guesstimate.

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Are you looking at it?

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It's not going to change the existing parking lot.

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It's going to be added onto this piece.

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Right, so they'll probably have to have about seven to eight spaces.

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That's a handful, yeah, it's just a handful of spaces.

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This is $7.8, a building that size, to me, you could put, I don't know, like $10 per mile.

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No, it got $0.35 per mile squared.

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Yeah, the zoning doesn't allow that to happen.

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So, $7.8 basis, so that would include staff and customers.

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And customers.

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So, it's just a small, like a therapy type of person that's providing therapy services or things like that.

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It's just a small.

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Okay, so we're clearly up here to to vote on changing this from residential to business.

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What's an allowable use by the by the zone and it's allowed not really changing it's just it's identifying where that use is located I was with the zoning code.

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Okay, so we're not changing it from it's an allowable use for allowing you, but will that change that plan to be the use will still be PUD.

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It's still going to be a PUD, that's the zoning designation.

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They're revising the PUD, it doesn't take this as business as part of the overall PUD.

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Okay, so if we go back 20 years ago, what, would they have done something 20 years ago to make this more flexible or clear in their intents?

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I don't think they knew at the time what other than, you know, the bubble plan that you saw appears is very early on in this page, and they kind of.

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But like Mr. St. John and myself, I think when we look at the word community office or at park that implies, I mean, I'm not an expert in this space, but it implies more of a community center or something like that.

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So, I could appreciate an anticipation of confusion that the builder would have taken legal precautions to ensure the flexibility of that use.

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So, why, I mean, wouldn't this, wouldn't this have happened 20 years ago?

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It's a better designate that area.

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If they knew, if they had a user at that time, they could have, yeah, I mean.

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Well, I don't think there's much argument that it would have been better if this had been more clearly stated 20 years ago, but that's 20 years of history long gone.

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We find ourselves now presented with, do we think this is a suitable use and designation for that piece of property in that.

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Phil, another example, like the land-based six where we have our current community center

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and pool house and pools, and we actually expanded that area.

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It's probably double the size that it's found on this land, so things have changed.

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This whole concept has come with a preliminary plan, a phase three preliminary plan, come

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to life a little differently than what's found on the air that's, this is a really old plan

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and just how you start the process.

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I guess my only comment is has a vision for a utilization of this building changed over time.

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Has the vision vision?

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VIS now we're in.

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I mean, it went from Mr. and Mrs. Enfield living in there to some of these today but the

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But once you're crossing spent, we are nature's ages of the annexation.

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Not that I'm aware of,

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and we've always tried to take care of the house and we intend

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to try to keep it that way.

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We don't want it to look any different than what it looks like today with exception of landscaping

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and, you know, upgrading it from that perspective.

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but we have any more questions for Dan.

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So I'll go ahead now.

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Yeah, with this designation and the limits to the area, the size of the building, everything that has some means to protect the building itself that has worked building, whether or not it's designated or not, I'm not concerned about the logist,

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What are the nitpickiness of that, it is a historic building designated or not.

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For the interim, while the presence has control of it, we're relying on them and

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their contract for maintaining the property, and then down the road we're relying on the HOA to maintain the planning commission, they have to come back to the planning commission.

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We'll plan a commission and we'll have to say over that.

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When they have a flight plan, yeah.

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Okay, so any modifications down the road that can jeopardize the building itself, we would have.

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Yeah, that's not good, okay, and the covenant will be revised to address that.

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Okay, yeah, I mean, the designation and the community use thing, it's, I've seen that a while, different ones.

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Right, I'm just looking at who has the oversight of the.

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The pay of the existing covenants actually have that in their now, that they can't make changes without.

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Okay, the community use thing, I've seen that a lot in different plans over time that are really just placeholders, unfortunately.

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You know, it is in a way going to be a community use, it's going to be a business, I guess it's not definite but it could be a benefit to the community by whatever professional officer

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or whatever comes in there. So,

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will we open this up to public comment?

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Line up.

427
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:33,050
I'm the Brunswick-Rosenk neighbor, Paulina Gershon.

428
00:42:33,830 --> 00:42:40,130
Wait. Yes, I already signed. But I'm going to also do for the other lot as well.

429
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:44,990
But I don't need to address this one, ma'am. Yes, yes.

430
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:45,090
Yes.

431
00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:53,930
So I just want to say that you guys building such a beautiful community for people to have

432
00:42:53,930 --> 00:43:00,250
raised the needs, you know, to be safe, to become comfortable, but then you decide to

433
00:43:00,250 --> 00:43:09,410
change from the residential to the commercial inside the community which does not make any

434
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:09,990
sense.

435
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:16,990
because then it's also hard for kids to play in everything because a lot of different people is going to come in

436
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:24,810
and it's a huge community and it's keep growing and like we have only one small clubhouse and a pool

437
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:30,570
but if you look in the summer it's not even space for us to go in because it's too many people

438
00:43:30,570 --> 00:43:37,190
where you're building like over 3000 houses or maybe even more and then you have such a small house

439
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:40,750
So this one can be like, for example, another clubhouse,

440
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:42,670
or you can make it something for kids,

441
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:44,350
because it's nothing there for kids.

442
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:47,110
You just have playgrounds, and that's it,

443
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,650
but a lot of family have three or four kids,

444
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:54,170
where you can do a clubhouse, and this is historical,

445
00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:55,450
so you can save it.

446
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:58,430
And then maybe you can do a little indoor playground

447
00:43:58,430 --> 00:44:00,370
for little kids or something,

448
00:44:00,890 --> 00:44:04,770
and it's also very good for the community, you know?

449
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:17,270
And you keep an inside and it's also very safe, because you have, I think it's the basketball court or another court, and then kids playing there.

450
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:24,370
And you bring like for the officers, but it can be also any kind of officers, like how you're going to choose who's going to rent the office.

451
00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:32,170
Like, for example, I work in DC and we have a lot of officers in the building, and some of them, for example, was dispensary officers.

452
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:38,410
So when you walk in, it smells and everything and for example we have medical office and this

453
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:43,430
is also just how you're going to choose everything and I think the important part seems

454
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:49,690
it's a huge community to ask the community what they really want you know I think that's

455
00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:54,710
like more important because that's what kind of you want to do it because it's the money

456
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:59,950
Which is understandable, but I think we need something else

457
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,340
Announcements, and some more efficient.

458
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:39,220
Hi, my name is Alexandria Profit, I'm 1206 Potomac View Parkway, actually neighbors to the unfilled house. I just want to thank all of you for your service to the board. I know this is probably a hard job to have, and none of us are up here being the decision makers. So thanks for hearing our comments. I echo her sentiment as well. As some of the community is getting older, we are having children, and I have a small daughter who

459
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:40,840
who plays at that park every single day.

460
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:44,720
There is a lot of traffic already in the neighborhood.

461
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,080
I have a concern with the traffic

462
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,400
who would be coming into the neighborhood.

463
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,180
And to me, it does not seem worth it

464
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:55,780
to change the purpose of it to commercial

465
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,580
for a business that may serve seven customers

466
00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:01,180
or whatever it may look like in terms of parking spots,

467
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:02,320
whatever that is.

468
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,220
Our community is growing,

469
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,780
whether that is a positive or a negative

470
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:13,860
to some folks, we are running out of room in our pool, things like that.

471
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:20,780
I think it would serve greatly as a community space for our residents' views or

472
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:24,280
even folks inside of the Brunswick community, or outside of the Brunswick

473
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,860
crossing proper, but in the Brunswick community, whether it be something to be able to rent out for birthday parties, things like that.

474
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,880
We've used the clubhouse as well as the one multipurpose room in our neighborhood for

475
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,100
or birthday parties and things like that for our daughter.

476
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,300
I think that need is going to continue to grow.

477
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,720
And I do think that in my opinion,

478
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:48,660
my one opinion being a direct neighbor to that home,

479
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:52,480
I don't see many parents being comfortable

480
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,380
with people coming further into the neighborhood,

481
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,140
having businesses in there,

482
00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:59,500
when there is likely going to be a need

483
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,220
for a growing area for community, things like that.

484
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:06,680
And I will say we were told when we got there,

485
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:17,840
It was either going to be a snacking clubhouse, and now, obviously, these are salespeople, so whether it's true or not, it was either going to be a snacking clubhouse or a resident, which we were totally fine with.

486
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:31,920
We thought, what a great use for that beautiful home, I do agree, I don't think it should be torn down, I think it should maintain its historic nature, but I do think it would be better served as a community center, not a commercial property.

487
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:37,990
Thank you.

488
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:38,170
Next.

489
00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:39,170
Thank you.

490
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:42,590
My golden 1314.

491
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:43,730
Should I view parkway?

492
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:49,090
Yeah, I would just like to say that, you know, when you think of the community, I kind of

493
00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:53,610
don't know the legal words, but I kind of look at the residential area and I see like a commercial

494
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:54,030
area.

495
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:59,670
And in my view, that's kind of like one side of the street is where the working and the streets

496
00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:03,370
and Dunkin' Donuts, I don't think it's commercial, and then kind of when you go to the other

497
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:09,390
side where the medical building is going to be at, that clubhouse, that seems residential.

498
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:15,290
Assisted living to me seems like residents living there, even though they need to be

499
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:16,870
assisted, something for the community.

500
00:48:17,950 --> 00:48:25,170
When I think of community office, it brings to mind churches, or daycare, or these kind

501
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:28,870
of things, or maybe something that the people say that you mentioned.

502
00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:34,110
But those seem to be, they do seem to be more like community oriented.

503
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:58,270
Whereas a medical office building seems to me that I've got like a six or eight year old walking school or ten or twelve year old, or one of the kids kicks a fall on the street, and now we have 200 people going to an office building, and we start having people cutting through the neighborhood, and it has to be delayed to work, or something like this, or putting an office building into a playground, let's say for kids, you know, I just from a, you know, that perspective.

504
00:48:58,270 --> 00:49:06,810
I don't know who's in that office building and is it safe to have the kids playing over the baseball by themselves in your community and we start bringing a lot of thoughts on that whether it's a law.

505
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:09,790
They could come in to see a lawyer and not live in our community.

506
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:12,930
They can live in town next to us.

507
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:15,570
But that's just kind of my thoughts on that.

508
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:16,170
Thank you.

509
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:21,940
Next,

510
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:25,220
John Hatcher.

511
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:25,320
here?

512
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,240
To pick it back on some of the things that's already been said, the one thing we were

513
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:36,480
actually told the same thing we first got here, that would be more of a could you state

514
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,620
your address please? My address 515 Potomac View Parkway, we were told

515
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:49,560
that that would be either a clubhouse or residential area. In fact, we actually wanted to put in

516
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,940
and to buy it because we love that house.

517
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,920
That house was so nice for us.

518
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:55,680
And we were told, oh, we'll get back with you.

519
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Never heard anything else from there.

520
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,780
I understand the financial side of things.

521
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,720
And I see this seems to be more of a financial issue

522
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,360
and not a community issue.

523
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,560
And even with the clubhouse we have, sometimes we can't use it

524
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,760
because it's on loan or on lease or somebody else's

525
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,980
using a pool or, and so we can't use it.

526
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:15,820
At least we have another place to go to.

527
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:17,900
I also look at it from the other side.

528
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:24,860
But it's a long walk for them to have to come to this side to go to the clubhouse, and they could have one right there in their own community.

529
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,920
The other thing is,

530
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:43,380
whenever you think about a business, it's going to be, it's not, it can't be public, it can't be for the community use also because they're not going to want us coming in there, that's their business.

531
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:50,520
So that would be a distraction for them if you were to open one and that is a danger when you have an I walked that area all the time

532
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:58,540
Kids are always over there that would be a danger for them because we don't know who's going to be coming in and out of the community and that that's not a good

533
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,960
Thing for our residents to have a

534
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Center place in the middle of the community instead of I like the way you put it in the area that is already still open

535
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,440
and they could have a business there, so.

536
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:26,290
Hi, I am Marie Broadman, I live at 1311 Pennington Drive.

537
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:31,330
And I do have a quick question for you to raise my hand.

538
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:34,170
When you talked about the acreage that was considered

539
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:37,890
to be commercial within our Brunswick Crossing community,

540
00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:41,690
do you not include the acreage where the grocery store is

541
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:44,530
and all those other, what about the fire department

542
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:45,710
that serves the community?

543
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:54,710
All of that serves the community and is called Brunswick Crossing, does that not apply to what we're supposed to be having in our community?

544
00:51:55,330 --> 00:52:03,350
It doesn't apply to the PUD portion, because it has a different designation, it's an MXD, which is a mixed commercial.

545
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:14,550
So when you look at the ordinance, the acreage for just the residential portion is what we're looking at, and I'm quoting the section of the ordinance.

546
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:19,930
It's that portion of the other commercial that's up and above what could be are you

547
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:24,450
included in the dog park because everyone in Brownswick used the dog park are you

548
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:30,390
putting the playgrounds because that area is but it's not that's not a commercial

549
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:35,350
that's recreational use that's a that's a green space use so it's actually

550
00:52:35,350 --> 00:52:41,270
zone for commercial no it's green space but but we're allowed to actually have

551
00:52:44,290 --> 00:52:50,150
There is a provision for that in the PUD to allow a certain portion of commercial within a PUD.

552
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:51,890
Well, allow, but not in the liar.

553
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:53,930
No, it's not required, it's all in the law.

554
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:57,890
Okay, but I just want to make sure it's allowed, but it's not required.

555
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:59,390
It's allowed with approval.

556
00:52:59,810 --> 00:53:07,750
Okay, and the only other statement I wanted to make was that when we two purchased our house,

557
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:16,410
We were told by the, I wouldn't call them a realtor because they're their builders which are agents of the developer.

558
00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:27,370
All of these agents told us specifically, because my house does look at the unfilled old house that it was to be a community use building.

559
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:33,910
So there are a lot of people in our neighborhood who have been either misinformed or

560
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:39,730
And it's led about the purpose of the house, which I think is why you're seeing so much a question about here.

561
00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:41,750
Thank you.

562
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:42,430
Thank you.

563
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:45,820
All right,

564
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Baker, 1327, Shannon Doyle.

565
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:02,240
I actually didn't come for this particular plod of land, but I wanted to ask a question.

566
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,660
I had to come up here to ask a question.

567
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:09,980
the question was, when you're talking about renovating that property back there, are you

568
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:14,380
talking about selling the property or are you talking about leasing the property to a

569
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:15,660
business of what is it?

570
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,120
It would be a sale.

571
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Okay.

572
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:22,020
It's plowed and separate.

573
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,420
If you're selling the, how are you actually going to control the other people using it?

574
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,840
You're saying the same way we would control any other house?

575
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:37,500
The provisions of the HOA are what dictates what can happen.

576
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:46,640
Okay, in other words, are you going to put sections in it so that people are not allowed to go to this section but are allowed to go to that section?

577
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:53,960
I mean, you can't have an open house and say, this is a business here, but you can't walk through here and do that.

578
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:55,540
I mean, that's what I'm saying.

579
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,360
How is this going to be laid out?

580
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:08,010
You're saying that it's a business that's going to be occupying the building, right?

581
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:13,290
And how are you going to manage the other people who use the property?

582
00:55:14,530 --> 00:55:21,850
So I think the answer to your question is that that entire parcel will be sold to a new owner and they would have control of everything inside.

583
00:55:21,850 --> 00:55:31,110
Exactly, exactly, there's no way to sell someone a property and say look, you can only use that much of it.

584
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,250
And everybody else can use your property.

585
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,270
That's an impossible now.

586
00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:42,030
Well, will there be covenants that guide what can and cannot be done?

587
00:55:42,430 --> 00:55:42,950
Yes.

588
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:49,790
The covenants will dictate what can happen within the lot, just like any other lot.

589
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:57,190
That's the lot of the building, the building, not the lot, the building.

590
00:55:57,190 --> 00:56:00,310
We didn't incorporate a lot, too.

591
00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:04,250
Exactly.

592
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:05,730
So it won't be amount to use.

593
00:56:05,950 --> 00:56:08,530
I mean, no one else will be able to use that building.

594
00:56:08,850 --> 00:56:09,890
This is what I'm saying.

595
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:11,070
Okay.

596
00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:12,730
Playing is simple.

597
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:14,150
That was my question.

598
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:17,090
And I had to come here to ask it because it didn't make sense.

599
00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:19,990
If you sell the building to somebody,

600
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:23,630
you can't tell them where you have to let this guy here use it

601
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,590
from nine to five, and you can use it eight to five.

602
00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:29,810
So that just makes sense.

603
00:56:30,190 --> 00:56:31,770
Like I said, I wasn't here for this anyway.

604
00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:32,530
I'll be back.

605
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,290
I'll be back.

606
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:37,550
Thank you, sir.

607
00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:38,230
Cool.

608
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:39,170
Yeah?

609
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:39,510
Cool.

610
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:45,450
Lisa Wilkinson, Berlin Drive, 1420.

611
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:53,610
I have a question about the diligence that was put into determining the needs of the community

612
00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:55,190
for the use of that home.

613
00:56:55,190 --> 00:57:02,370
over throwing it out there for sale as a commercial property, which is basically what's being done at this point.

614
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:05,990
Has have any meetings been happening?

615
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:13,370
All of the over 55 and aging out type of stuff has been removed from the community from what I can see.

616
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:17,210
Nothing is going to move forward that was promised from the beginning.

617
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:24,310
So why couldn't this be like a senior center or some type of a community center that caters towards

618
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:29,650
that sort of the population, not just in the crossing, but through Outrunswick.

619
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:37,590
Could be mixed use, daycare, senior center, community center, whatever.

620
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:44,530
Anything, there are so many rooms in that home that they could be used for different things.

621
00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:52,550
Meeting rooms, daycare, senior care, senior activities,

622
00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:54,610
These children's activities, what have you?

623
00:57:54,930 --> 00:58:05,730
I personally don't see how putting in a title insurance company or an attorney's office is going to further or

624
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:09,230
even makes sense with what's already existing there.

625
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:15,350
Ballpark, basketball games, playground, outdoor kitchen.

626
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:21,790
I just don't see how this integrates well with the community in that spot.

627
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:25,050
I can totally see it somewhere else, sure.

628
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:30,530
It's inconvenient going to Oxen Hill or Winburney, or whoever your builder is, and

629
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:34,850
where they have their title insurance company, but it doesn't need to be there.

630
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:37,550
That's my feeling on the matter.

631
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:42,940
Nick,

632
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,380
my name is Jim Brown at 5-11 Potomac View Parkway, Ditto.

633
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:54,660
I mean, what the last person just said,

634
00:58:54,660 --> 00:59:02,360
I, when I think that they're going to put in lawyers and real estate agents and

635
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:10,200
title insurance people into that beautiful building, when 90% of us work from home now,

636
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,200
including all of those people I just mentioned, all that types of work.

637
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,980
It doesn't make a lot of sense, and I think the community wasn't asked,

638
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:24,400
isn't participating enough in these decisions.

639
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:31,120
What that last person said about daycare and senior center, and all the other things that would benefit our community,

640
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,740
literally benefit our community.

641
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:38,520
The least thing that would benefit our community in my opinion, and it's the only one I have,

642
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:44,300
is attorney, real estate agent, title insurance.

643
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:59,960
I can't think of, I can't think of anything that's less needed in our community at this moment, okay, and I'm not trying to be critical of those professions I'm not, but the truth is, we have great,

644
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:14,060
There are greater needs than that. And the reality, I mean, I'm over 50. You don't get to know. But I really think that there are tons of kids around this neighborhood. I have grandkids that roam this neighborhood, right?

645
01:00:14,060 --> 01:00:19,880
Right, daycare is a big need in this community, big, big need.

646
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,680
And I see it all the time in the emails and on the postings.

647
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,760
Anybody know a good daycare center, right?

648
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:36,840
And there's only one that I'm aware of, near here, and that's in Jefferson, right?

649
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:40,020
And that's limited, I mean, I think they're filled all the time.

650
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:47,260
So I guess my and I don't want to make one on the point and it's all kind of incorporated when I've just read.

651
01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:54,120
But the community doesn't seem to have enough interface with what the heck is going on in this community.

652
01:00:54,900 --> 01:01:01,840
My wife complained about something to me and I didn't really pay much attention to it until she brought it up.

653
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:09,640
But off of a told me view there was this big kind of pond that had found in a whole bunch of animals in it.

654
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:27,300
And then one day, it was all being dug up and they were doing something in there, and I know it's not personal, but it would really not be nice to know what the heck was going on at that moment.

655
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320
And that's just a small example of what I'm talking about.

656
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:43,400
And I don't want to, I'm not going to bring this up because it's outside the topic other than to say, there are tons and tons of empty stores in our community right now, lots of them.

657
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:58,540
If any real estate agent, lawyer, title company, wants to find themselves in this community and rent space, those are great places.

658
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,940
Great places, they would be right there where everybody could use them and

659
01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:10,160
wouldn't take this beautiful home and convert it into a boring, unnecessary business.

660
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,420
Thank you.

661
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,780
Thank you, sir, next.

662
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:27,100
Good evening, my name is Milo Wyatt, and I live on Janadoa V Parkway 1301.

663
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:34,880
I'm close to the other parcel, but I wanted to make a comment.

664
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,580
that I want to know what the brush is.

665
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:44,660
I want to know because the community is continuing to develop and be built out,

666
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,980
what we choose today may not meet the need tomorrow.

667
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:54,480
Like someone said, daycare, I'm over 55.

668
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,640
I'd like to be able to go to a senior center in my community instead of going to

669
01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:13,100
I don't even know Levittville may have one, but that is a small community, and they are bursting at the seams.

670
01:03:13,580 --> 01:03:15,920
I mean, they come to our community to do grocery shopping.

671
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:24,880
I mean, they have a small co-op, but I think that if you're talking about serving not just runway crossing, but the greater community.

672
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:32,200
I think we have, I mean, I leave Brunswick because there's just not a lot of community resources here.

673
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:39,240
And instead of looking at, and with all due respect, I mean, money can always be made.

674
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:42,460
You're building houses, you're selling homes.

675
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:47,820
But what about giving back to the community the people that actually buy those properties and

676
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,760
pay the property tax to maintain the greater community?

677
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,960
So that everyone can have a stake.

678
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:10,020
I mean, it's a lot of setting to me because we were promised things, and you buy a house in a community, some people their first home, their largest purchase, and then the developer comes back and says, no, no, no, no, we want to do something different now.

679
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:20,180
I know that's the right, but maybe getting great holders and getting some consensus before you make a decision.

680
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:26,980
then you wouldn't have people so upset and concerned that this is just going to continue to happen.

681
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:34,660
You know, what's going to happen, you know, in 20 years when a lot of the people that are 30 now are going to be 50.

682
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,660
They will need a place to go.

683
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:50,120
And right now the community is growing in terms of household size, but what are the amenities that the developer is putting in to make sure that we have some resources?

684
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:50,860
for the future.

685
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,580
So, you know, that's really my question.

686
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,960
Why are we rushing to sell the infill house?

687
01:04:57,060 --> 01:05:01,020
How long has it been vacant if someone can answer that question?

688
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:17,480
I understand that there is a commercial side of this, but this is going to be a 15-hospole, 1500-hospole community with one clubhouse and a pool.

689
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,120
I mean it's frustrating when I want to go swimming, I can't.

690
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:28,260
I have to go to another community because it is a community center, it serves everyone.

691
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:35,420
And we just don't have enough resources for the households in my opinion that are planned for this community.

692
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:36,660
Thank you.

693
01:05:51,270 --> 01:06:00,650
I'm confused because first they said that only part of the bill is going to be leased out with seven or eight parking spaces.

694
01:06:00,910 --> 01:06:02,550
Now they're saying they're going to sell the building.

695
01:06:02,990 --> 01:06:03,850
Help me out here.

696
01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:07,870
It'll be for sale the whole lot.

697
01:06:08,330 --> 01:06:13,950
Okay, so then if you buy the building, who's going to say who gets to move in there?

698
01:06:17,870 --> 01:06:41,710
Just like they're saying, you know, we could get a, you know, a business in there, we don't want in there, you know, that's people running in and out there, 9 to 10 o'clock at night, you don't know what's going on, we've got enough problems in the area now that we have to watch what's going on, and if they're going to own a certain amount of that space, what happens with the rest of the building?

699
01:06:45,050 --> 01:06:51,050
If I understand then, right, you said they weren't going to rent certain square feet of it, right?

700
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:52,250
It's a full sale.

701
01:06:52,610 --> 01:06:53,070
That's what I said.

702
01:06:53,610 --> 01:06:55,010
The sale is, but-

703
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:56,810
One house is only using the whole building.

704
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:59,470
So how are you going to have seven or eight parking spaces in?

705
01:06:59,890 --> 01:07:01,990
It's just a mall that is that type of-

706
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:03,550
But look how big that building is.

707
01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:08,150
You want to tell me, as big as that building is, you're going to have seven or eight parking spaces.

708
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:10,490
And then what about- what we're going to do with the ball field then?

709
01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:20,650
You know, people want to come there and park and have the kids play, I've seen kids down the plane now, you know, playing ball and stuff, and the parking lot is half full.

710
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:22,930
Every time we walk down that way.

711
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:33,280
But how is it going to be sold? It's going to be sold as commercial, yes or no?

712
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:39,390
So, yeah, come on up, Dan.

713
01:07:45,370 --> 01:07:47,730
Currently, this law, hold on.

714
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:48,710
So, hold on.

715
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:50,190
Dan, go ahead.

716
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:54,470
Currently, this law has a PED zone.

717
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:57,930
And only those uses that are allowed in the PUD

718
01:07:58,530 --> 01:08:01,550
are allowed to be used on this property.

719
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:04,270
This house is going to this law and the house.

720
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:17,930
Plan unit development, it's a zoning designation for a big community of this type because it's planned early on all together.

721
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:28,570
That's what the phase two and the phase three plans that we're revising or that we're only revising the phase three in this case, but that's what this, that's what that part is.

722
01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:34,810
If you keep saying there are only the things that are allowed to be in there, what are those things that are in there?

723
01:08:34,850 --> 01:08:47,690
The city has a zoning code, and there is a PUD or a plan unit development, part of that zoning code, and it specifically lists the allowable uses that are allowed.

724
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:58,930
But this will be sold, this will be sold collectively, it will not be multiple users from my perspective.

725
01:08:59,530 --> 01:09:04,410
I'm going to spell it, if this is approved, not yet, sir.

726
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:13,810
For, if this is approved for the business use that we're asking for tonight, if not, then we'll go back to the darling board.

727
01:09:13,810 --> 01:09:20,330
Okay, but if I had only a grocery store, if I had to go and put a grocery store in there,

728
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:24,250
only if it's allowable, and I used to have a lot of it, so what do we know what's allowed?

729
01:09:27,770 --> 01:09:28,650
One at a time.

730
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:32,250
We can't hear you if you're not at that microphone.

731
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,240
My question is, what is allowed there then?

732
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:40,920
None of us know what kind of business is allowed.

733
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:41,480
I'll tell you,

734
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,720
could be a local retail business or service establishes, such as a grocery store.

735
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,640
or drugstore.

736
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:51,820
Could I finish, please?

737
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:54,460
Just let me finish.

738
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:57,440
Drugstore.

739
01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,120
Small clients or shoe repair shop.

740
01:10:00,940 --> 01:10:01,700
Hardware store.

741
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:02,840
Barber.

742
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:03,480
Beauty.

743
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:04,260
Shop.

744
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:05,560
Laundry.

745
01:10:06,140 --> 01:10:07,680
And dry cleaning services.

746
01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:10,040
Flowing and tailoring services.

747
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:11,460
Pet stores.

748
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:13,720
Video retail shops.

749
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:17,220
Business or professional offices.

750
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:28,900
and others which supply commodities or perform services, primarily for residents of the community but not including automobile service stations, and only under the following conditions.

751
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,900
And that was where we talked about the 3500 square foot.

752
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:44,420
Now, if you heard me give you all those different uses, did you hear me say professional offices, business and professional offices.

753
01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:50,040
This is what this site will be designated for, which means it can't be any of those other uses.

754
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:54,760
It can only be, if you have a question, you come up here.

755
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,020
Come on up here.

756
01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:58,640
Now, you can come up here, we got to talk up here.

757
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,040
It can only be the business professional office.

758
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,900
That's it, none of those others.

759
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,060
Does everybody understand that?

760
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:10,600
Okay.

761
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:21,640
We're not going to do that. We can't do that. It's only going to be business or professional offices.

762
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:25,240
A professional office just like there's drug we have.

763
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,100
That's not it now, it's not.

764
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,900
Then how do we know that as?

765
01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:43,140
Because it says it in here, if you had a drug dispensary or something like that, it would fall in that category of like a drug store, okay?

766
01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:50,890
And I can tell you also, we're in the process of rewriting our ordinance, so a lot of this stuff is going to come out.

767
01:11:51,070 --> 01:11:58,490
And I invite some of you, because I can't have you all on one committee, we're going to have to have a very finite number of people on the committee.

768
01:11:58,490 --> 01:12:13,210
I can't have you all because we don't have a room big enough to handle you all, but we will be knowing this and we are looking to have volunteers be on that committee to help us write the ordinance so that we can redo our city ordinance to come and get us into the future.

769
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:18,130
The last thing is security. Who's going to be responsible for that?

770
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:20,790
The Brunswick Police Department.

771
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:27,850
We're talking to him, you got to come up here.

772
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:33,230
Well, the problem we got, you know, I mean,

773
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:41,010
the problems with police is very good, they're good organizations, but just like everybody

774
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:46,450
is saying, 1500 houses, you know, our police department's already strapped, you know, traffic's

775
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:47,150
already strapped.

776
01:12:47,710 --> 01:12:47,930
All right.

777
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:52,030
We got red because you're going to have four minutes each and we got like a line.

778
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:53,290
All right, thank you.

779
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:54,810
Did we clear up all your questions?

780
01:12:55,170 --> 01:12:55,790
Yes, okay.

781
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:10,750
Hi everybody, my name is Donovan Fox, I live at 1521 Cranpton Street, right down the street from the infield house.

782
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:17,470
I do agree with you guys and keeping the house as a beautiful home, it should be preserved.

783
01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:18,750
I totally agree with that.

784
01:13:20,130 --> 01:13:22,690
I did have a few statements to make.

785
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:26,810
There are a lot of businesses that do support the community,

786
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:29,070
that do to community type of things.

787
01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:33,030
I don't think a professional, like a law firm is going to really,

788
01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:36,170
it's not going to serve everybody in the community,

789
01:13:36,170 --> 01:13:40,370
but you could have a daycare, a YMCA, you could have, you know,

790
01:13:40,650 --> 01:13:43,510
something that, like we've all been saying, something for children.

791
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:48,790
I mean, I know we've been talking a lot about having a community center

792
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:51,330
for all of Runsway, you could do it there.

793
01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:58,270
It's a baseball court right there, but I mean, it's just, I kind of have the feeling that is it's

794
01:13:58,270 --> 01:14:03,030
bronzer crossing versus Brunswick and it shouldn't be like that. We should be one big community,

795
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:09,150
but I feel like we're not told about a lot of stuff that's happening, and I question is, how do we

796
01:14:09,150 --> 01:14:14,710
get more involved? How do we know what's going on? How do we get our voices heard? How do we get on

797
01:14:14,710 --> 01:14:16,070
on these committees like you guys are on.

798
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:17,070
How do we do that?

799
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:19,760
Call us.

800
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:22,570
Call Julie.

801
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:24,010
She's our city administrator.

802
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:25,190
Okay.

803
01:14:25,870 --> 01:14:27,350
Anybody who wants to be on-

804
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:28,310
Don't tell me that because I'll do it.

805
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:28,910
I'll do it.

806
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:30,150
I'll be right here.

807
01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:33,310
I took a call today from somebody that heard that we wanted,

808
01:14:33,490 --> 01:14:37,390
we were trying to get a zoning committee and they called in.

809
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:39,870
And I'm taking the names down and I'm taking the numbers.

810
01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:42,430
When we actually build that committee,

811
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:43,970
we're going to contact them back.

812
01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:44,890
It's a commitment.

813
01:14:45,450 --> 01:14:46,570
It's a two-year commitment.

814
01:14:46,570 --> 01:14:48,730
Because it's going to take us that long to re-write it.

815
01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:57,910
I would also add to that that when the city has vacancies on its various commissions and committees we typically advertise them on our Facebook page and our website and our website.

816
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:58,610
Okay.

817
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:59,870
which is brought with them.

818
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:23,580
We are always looking for volunteers. Okay, because I want everyone else to hear that as well. I've been on your website, but I want everyone else to hear that as well, so they can get involved as well. We don't do this for the big pay of the fund. Oh, I know. I can assure you. Trust me. I worked in government for years. I get it. Trust me. Thank you so much.

819
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:27,660
Anyone else on this topic?

820
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,580
At the March, oh, I'm sorry, my name is Bonnie Duncley.

821
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:50,080
I live at 307 Brunswick Street, Brunswick, Maryland.

822
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,440
I have lived in Brunswick for over 40 years, so I've watched the many changes happen.

823
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,800
I also grew up just across the river and love it for Virginia.

824
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:06,620
So as a young child, I always drove 180 to Frederick because it was the closest place to shop.

825
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:15,040
So I've watched water flow for as long as I can remember, and since I'm 66, I'm going to say 60 years.

826
01:16:16,180 --> 01:16:23,860
So at the March 5, 2004 planning commission meeting, the city attorney, Noel, I'm going to say Milano,

827
01:16:24,660 --> 01:16:32,240
argued that it's done up to the planning commission to determine density, that issues of density are heard by the board of appeals.

828
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:39,740
However, restrictive soils have been noted at Brunswick Crossing and they should be protected

829
01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:43,220
per the guidelines of their original plan notes.

830
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:50,480
I brought pictures to show anyone who would like to look that show the environment not

831
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:51,580
being protected.

832
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:57,960
I previously tried to show these to Mr. Dell, but he chose not to look as I explained the

833
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,600
gravity exposed to these pictures.

834
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:07,860
Clay soil, which is documented on the original Brunswick crossing plant, is not permeable.

835
01:17:08,420 --> 01:17:11,740
That's why you have water laying around everywhere after a rain.

836
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:23,580
It runs from places to come from pressurized zones that they're trying to pack down with concrete and gravel and pop up somewhere else when it rains.

837
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:25,520
It's whack-a-mole there.

838
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,280
I've been watching it ever since.

839
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:34,900
I've been driving through the development and noticing it happened because as a former license environmental health specialist,

840
01:17:35,180 --> 01:17:42,300
I was trained by someone who had 40 years' worth of knowledge and she also sent me out to talk with honest contractors.

841
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,760
And since they'd liked me, they told me things.

842
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:55,240
These pictures show grading, not holding grass or soil capable of growing grass.

843
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,360
The

844
01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:05,090
park beside the Enfield property was having dead nursery trees replaced just today.

845
01:18:05,950 --> 01:18:13,610
How many times has the homeowners association had to replace these trees because they can't thrive in clay soil?

846
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:18,990
If this is the responsibility of trees thriving in clay soil for the homeowners.

847
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:26,030
who is responsible if the soil provided by the developer is not capable of growing trees

848
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:33,830
or grass that you have stated that you have to provide in the original plan in all

849
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:37,730
of the streets and sidewalks.

850
01:18:38,410 --> 01:18:42,290
Anytime they die, your humbenders' association fees are paying for that.

851
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:47,690
So if they're placing tree after tree after tree after tree and soil that would never grow

852
01:18:49,190 --> 01:19:00,180
That's what you're looking at. The Brunswick crossings parks are private. How will this be maintained for residents if customers from all areas see them?

853
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:06,360
Park right beside it while you're conducting business. Yeah, let your kids go run while you're there

854
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:13,280
Sit on the swings before you go. That's what I do if I was had young kids and I was at a business in the park

855
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,660
was right there, townhouses usually have children.

856
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:23,140
What was supposed to be a largely residential street will now have business traffic.

857
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,140
You won't be able to let your kid out.

858
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:28,480
I know we all of you move and you're afraid to do that anyway.

859
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,100
But those of us who have lived somewhere for 40 years, we have trust with certain people.

860
01:19:33,460 --> 01:19:35,720
We know where to have it, and we're not to have it.

861
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:41,450
The area that's proposed for the Medical Center, what percentage is filled?

862
01:19:41,890 --> 01:19:43,910
What's the composition of the fill?

863
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:54,430
I have a picture in here of a recent hillside that's supposed to be a park that they recently had to regrade because the current rain calls it to slip and slide.

864
01:19:55,050 --> 01:19:57,790
Are they going to, is this hillside they're going to go in and work on?

865
01:19:57,930 --> 01:20:01,510
It's going to be stabilized, it's right in front of your store mortar management pond.

866
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:03,030
Thank you, ma'am.

867
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:10,110
Anybody else?

868
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:19,210
Good evening.

869
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:21,750
My name is Brandon Barna, 418, Will's Creek Tribe.

870
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:28,570
Okay, so my questions are first off with the changing of the zoning.

871
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:38,450
Does that lock it into, it will perpetually, unless somebody comes back to one of these meetings, perpetually be in office building.

872
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:46,330
So in other words, if it's sold today as an office building, will it perpetually stay in office building, or can it be zoned something else later on?

873
01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:50,420
Only through a process like this.

874
01:20:50,420 --> 01:20:52,960
Yeah, I would have to come back and go through the same process.

875
01:20:53,120 --> 01:21:08,720
Okay, and then my second question would be, you mentioned there would be a follow-up meeting after somebody purchases it to discuss easements to discuss, okay, not easements, to discuss where trees would go, where fences would go.

876
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,940
It would be a site plan process.

877
01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:17,120
Okay, with that site plan process, how does it go about redirecting?

878
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,540
And like right now, you have all the signs up there telling the kids not to go up in that area.

879
01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:24,060
And you have the playground right next to it.

880
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:30,260
So other than somebody constantly calling Chief Grunwell and telling his cops to come down there and

881
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:34,520
tell the kids, stay away from this two feet area and go over to this playground.

882
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,440
How are you going to keep the kids out of that area?

883
01:21:38,140 --> 01:21:39,460
Can they put a fence up?

884
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:40,040
I don't know.

885
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,920
I'm not going up there.

886
01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:47,800
Well, but you and I can go up there and play kickball.

887
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,620
No, we can't.

888
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,400
Okay.

889
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,240
That's going to be up to the property owner.

890
01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:53,720
Okay.

891
01:21:54,620 --> 01:22:01,560
The next item I'd like to ask is if Pleasants has a desire to sell this property as commercial.

892
01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:09,280
I would like to ask the same thing that the city asked every time Pleasants comes to the table with a new development project.

893
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,580
What is the give back to the community going to be?

894
01:22:13,420 --> 01:22:18,340
So we've already had people here say tonight, we have enough playgrounds, we have enough parks.

895
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,980
What can pleasants give us as an offset?

896
01:22:24,220 --> 01:22:32,000
Can they expand the welcome center, expand the recreation center, expand the pool?

897
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Can they give us anything if we give them less resistance to use this property?

898
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:50,360
I'm just asking, you have proffers, and you have givebacks, and you have site plans that all require these sorts of items.

899
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:55,460
Can these be asked for through planning, or is the ship already sailed for that?

900
01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:56,400
You

901
01:22:59,380 --> 01:23:19,680
tell me can, can, can things like that be discussed, it did not come through planning commission, it did not come through city council, can things like that be resident driven to ask, okay, if we're going to accept this as is, what sort of give back to the community or plan?

902
01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:28,240
We can't ask for those types of things because the ordinance doesn't allow that, not at this stage.

903
01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:31,460
Okay,

904
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:42,200
I mean, I'll be honest with you, I have been told, like the other residents have, not that this was going to be a community center, but

905
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:53,720
there was an opportunity for this property to be sold to Klegit Enterprises who runs our HOA, who also happened to purchase one of

906
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:59,880
the property rights to one of your downtown businesses over by the corner store to be able

907
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:00,760
to lease that out.

908
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:06,940
I would much rather pleasant and clagget, and I know I can't tell them who to sell to

909
01:24:06,940 --> 01:24:07,620
and who to buy.

910
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:12,860
I would rather clagget take on that ownership and move out of the welcome center.

911
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:20,300
I think the welcome center has been handled by the HOA offices in pleasant for over a decade.

912
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:23,160
We've said it's a sales center constantly.

913
01:24:23,940 --> 01:24:28,940
We want extended room for our community center, and our ability for us to use our amenities.

914
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,380
Thank you, sir.

915
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:37,640
Is there anyone else?

916
01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:41,530
All right,

917
01:24:45,460 --> 01:24:47,420
so amongst, no?

918
01:24:53,140 --> 01:24:54,560
You can sign right up here.

919
01:25:01,020 --> 01:25:03,280
Paul, husband, 13, 15 volunteer drive.

920
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,480
So I've been in this community for over 10 years now.

921
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:13,700
I've seen a lot of underutilized space, mainly up where all the commercial stuff is.

922
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,360
We have space up there, this could go up there.

923
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:20,800
Leave the stuff in the community for the community.

924
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:25,880
When pleasant is done selling all the property, all the land, they're up and gone.

925
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,820
We're here with what's left over, right?

926
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:36,220
All right, so let's make it ours, what we would want to help flourish our community as it grows.

927
01:25:37,420 --> 01:25:42,200
All the houses are what, three, four plus bedrooms, there's a lot of kids.

928
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:52,340
There's no single parents or husband, wife, no kids, buying four, five bedroom houses, realistically.

929
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,020
So we've got a lot of community of a lot of kids and

930
01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:58,980
And we don't have a lot of space for them, right?

931
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:07,600
And we have a lot of resources that are underdeveloped and not utilized for businesses.

932
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,340
So why not use that space?

933
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,760
It's been there, it's been great, it's several times, and why not utilizing it?

934
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:20,580
And keep the community stuff down in the community, keep the business stuff up in the business area.

935
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,800
That makes for a safer environment, safer community.

936
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:26,740
That's all again.

937
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:27,080
Thanks.

938
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:38,540
Is that the end of public comment?

939
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,100
At least for the moment.

940
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:47,360
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments.

941
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:50,720
Planning commissioners, you've heard this.

942
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,140
Tell me what you're thinking.

943
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:55,280
And well,

944
01:26:59,580 --> 01:27:06,000
my main concern with that would this would be an isolated commercial property.

945
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:09,140
We have looked at a lot of commercial stuff around town in the past.

946
01:27:09,820 --> 01:27:17,060
And this would be something that is isolated from other commercial areas, embedded in residential area.

947
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:19,220
And that gives me pause.

948
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:28,900
I'm not sure that the security and control issues that have been raised are that serious.

949
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,000
We just don't have too much trouble with that around town.

950
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,820
And it sounds like the types of businesses that we're going to have really aren't going

951
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:44,860
to attract crime problems or anything like that, but I mean, we are often charged at making

952
01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:48,280
I'm making sure that something fits the neighborhood and I'm not sure that this fits the neighborhood.

953
01:27:59,060 --> 01:28:02,360
Cherry, Allen, Nick, anybody else?

954
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:10,900
I just have one question, I know it's coming up related to the next topic, but the designation of several people we're talking about daycare centers, senior centers, etc.

955
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,740
Would that have to be going through a rezoning as a quasi-public use as well?

956
01:28:17,660 --> 01:28:23,660
So just for Bruce, would you just, I think it will come up in the next discussion anyway, can you just go over the definition of a quasi-public use?

957
01:28:23,660 --> 01:28:24,540
Please,

958
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,220
I can read it if you want.

959
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:34,330
I have it right here.

960
01:28:45,090 --> 01:28:55,090
The quasi-public use is a use that provides a necessary service to the community, is available to the general public, and is not wholly commercial in nature.

961
01:28:55,450 --> 01:29:05,450
For example, recreation and community services, churches, child care centers, health care facilities, nursing homes,

962
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:09,510
seniors, citizens, centers, funeral homes, and schools.

963
01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:16,650
Okay, so before we vote on this, just from, and I also understand I was doing some more research

964
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:23,410
during the meeting, the definition of a community office, fits with what

965
01:29:23,410 --> 01:29:30,230
presence wants to do, so I was not uneducated, but my interpretation of the work

966
01:29:30,230 --> 01:29:33,990
community and in the word park is more in alignment with the quasi-public youth.

967
01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:41,730
So before we vote here, for the people who are here and you're looking at how to get involved, if for some reason we voted no,

968
01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:47,750
I think you've got a lot of work ahead of you to say okay, well, do you want childcare centers in there?

969
01:29:48,230 --> 01:29:50,490
How do you go about changing the zoning on that?

970
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:53,270
Do you want the city of Brunswick to buy the building?

971
01:29:54,210 --> 01:29:59,710
I mean there's a lot of wishful thinking out there, it's going to require a lot of community activism out there to do it.

972
01:29:59,710 --> 01:29:59,750
Thank you.

973
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,200
It's not like it's all the same going to turn around like how you wish it happened. That's the only comment I have. Thank you.

974
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:35,960
Well, got my two cents. Go ahead. And I think I guess several comments. And I think I will offend most people here with one point or the other. But that's the way the process works. I mean, I heard it a lot in NIMBY. Not in my backyard. Okay. Well, I understand that.

975
01:30:36,580 --> 01:30:38,600
but it has to be in somebody's backyard.

976
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:41,980
So let me comment, I think.

977
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:45,200
You can move the only one.

978
01:30:45,820 --> 01:30:47,500
I'm going to say what I have spray, okay?

979
01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:51,400
I didn't move you when you make in your comments, okay?

980
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,680
So I think that's the program we're going to use.

981
01:30:56,820 --> 01:31:01,380
I think a lot of the comments could have been well placed

982
01:31:01,380 --> 01:31:02,480
at an HOA meeting.

983
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:10,660
H.O.A. has some authority, okay, no, no, it's my time, okay.

984
01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:14,980
You had yours, I got mine, okay, thank you.

985
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:24,520
Contrarily, I think there's been some several iterations on the use of that building all the time.

986
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,520
Notwithstanding what we've heard tonight, I think there's been some iterations.

987
01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:40,750
The owner has a privilege of asking for a change.

988
01:31:44,690 --> 01:31:48,170
Citizens in quarries, citizens participation.

989
01:31:48,910 --> 01:31:50,090
That's a two-way street.

990
01:31:51,950 --> 01:31:54,490
I mean, you go back to our yesterday to the founding fathers.

991
01:31:56,030 --> 01:32:00,410
They didn't say, hey, we're going to go there and knock on every door and tell you what we're doing.

992
01:32:00,410 --> 01:32:06,890
You're going to make some inquiries, you've got to show some energy and some activity to find out what's going on.

993
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:17,480
I think that to me this comes across as a market decision to enhance the retail value of the property.

994
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:31,520
And so at this point, looking at those issues and others, I am not in a position to support to change.

995
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:58,330
I just had one one question more for since I'm not voting but it's more for just my own information in it dovetails off of something Nick asked, which is could they use this property now the way it's designated for a professional office,

996
01:33:00,820 --> 01:33:03,300
whereas that just don't clear, which is why we're

997
01:33:05,570 --> 01:33:09,850
it was unclear enough that we felt like it had to have the designation.

998
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:18,010
I mean, because part of what I'm thinking about is, I'm

999
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:40,160
not sure that this, that use, I'm trying to figure out whether that use is prohibited now and whether we're dealing with a hard change or if we're just dealing with something this change would definitely clear that up and let them use it for the professional office, I mean, I'm not sure they couldn't use it for that now, I guess this is my point.

1000
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:59,820
So, again, I'm not voting tonight, but I guess the point and the point that people are concerned about is this change would definitely let them use it for any kind of professional office and including attorney's offices and I'm an attorney.

1001
01:33:59,820 --> 01:34:03,500
So it didn't take any offense and not wanting to turn his offices in there, but

1002
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:06,320
okay, that was, it's just a clarifying question.

1003
01:34:06,460 --> 01:34:09,280
So the point now is it's just not clear, okay.

1004
01:34:11,180 --> 01:34:12,220
Allen, do you have any thoughts?

1005
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:18,180
Okay.

1006
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:25,900
Well, speaking personally, I understand the concerns people have voiced, and

1007
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:28,000
you've been very thoughtful, and we appreciate that.

1008
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:34,820
And I understand what my fellow planning commissioners are discussing, in their points of view.

1009
01:34:34,820 --> 01:34:46,520
So I think the notion of an isolated commercial district, as is the requested change, doesn't strike me as a particularly big risk to the community.

1010
01:34:48,380 --> 01:34:51,520
I am in favor of making the change.

1011
01:34:53,080 --> 01:35:02,300
But I think what we need to do is bring this to a discussion that says, all right, we need to take a vote, some kind of a motion and we either vote it up or down.

1012
01:35:09,230 --> 01:35:10,310
Not right now.

1013
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:14,950
No, we do not want to come back up to the board.

1014
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:16,970
It's all public comments over.

1015
01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:19,330
We do have another item after this one.

1016
01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:22,790
We do have the other item.

1017
01:35:30,890 --> 01:35:38,750
So, can we have some kind of emotion that we can either vote up or down about accepting this change that the point?

1018
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:40,610
I'm

1019
01:35:48,290 --> 01:36:06,670
familiar with BR-PUD-24-01, preliminary plan phase three revision, and I move that we approve it in accordance with task recommendation and the four conditions of that recommendation.

1020
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:12,370
Any seconds?

1021
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:13,770
All second.

1022
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:16,290
All in favor?

1023
01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:17,370
Aye.

1024
01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:17,790
Aye.

1025
01:36:19,150 --> 01:36:19,650
Opposed?

1026
01:36:20,350 --> 01:36:20,470
Aye.

1027
01:36:20,970 --> 01:36:21,290
Opposed?

1028
01:36:21,730 --> 01:36:22,310
Is that due?

1029
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:23,530
Three.

1030
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:23,950
Three.

1031
01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:27,070
So motion does not carry.

1032
01:36:35,940 --> 01:36:36,580
Thank you.

1033
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:44,340
No, if you would put up more than a poster on a lot three weeks before the meeting.

1034
01:36:55,900 --> 01:37:03,580
Thank you, sir, I appreciate the comment we're done on this item.

1035
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:06,600
Next item,

1036
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:15,640
which is BRFP 2401 Final Plot 125,

1037
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:22,960
Five, Frederick Primary Care and H.D., to his story office in medical building and side improvements.

1038
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,040
Roos, would you care to go through that?

1039
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:34,450
Yeah, the plan is basically self-explanatory.

1040
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:41,570
It has to be recorded in order to have this particular use put on the parcel.

1041
01:37:42,210 --> 01:37:47,350
The Frederick Primary Care Medical Office building runs with crossing applicant six site plan,

1042
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:53,510
an improvement plan and final plot approval for 135,940 square feet of property,

1043
01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:58,410
including a medical facility building located on the Pecambian Parkway and

1044
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:59,590
Shannon down to view the Parkway.

1045
01:38:00,070 --> 01:38:01,630
Zoning classifications are two.

1046
01:38:02,110 --> 01:38:03,570
Zoning with a PUD overlay.

1047
01:38:04,890 --> 01:38:07,870
Water and sewer classifications, W3, Hestory.

1048
01:38:09,810 --> 01:38:16,490
This particular use is, as I've mentioned, it was a parcel that was originally

1049
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:25,190
only one of the phase three plan designated as a assisted living, which would have been 100 units of assisted living.

1050
01:38:25,470 --> 01:38:31,870
It would have been a multi-story building, and at the October 22,

1051
01:38:34,010 --> 01:38:45,670
well, October 2022 meeting the developer had come in and went over some market studies about the fact that the assisted living just wasn't.

1052
01:38:45,670 --> 01:38:53,370
No one was willing to do the cost of the construction, the parking underneath of the building.

1053
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:59,710
They got to the point where they just didn't have the scale and

1054
01:38:59,710 --> 01:39:02,570
the numbers to make the market numbers work.

1055
01:39:04,370 --> 01:39:10,750
They had proposed at that time age restricted housing and

1056
01:39:10,750 --> 01:39:15,470
this board was against that they wanted to maintain the commercial compounding somehow.

1057
01:39:15,470 --> 01:39:44,350
There were additional meetings in January of 2023 and February of 2023, which continued that process in order to look at other opportunities and other possible users in December of 2023, the designation and the use was established for medical facility, and this application is for that very thing.

1058
01:39:46,630 --> 01:39:56,730
The biggest piece of this one, the building, we will continue to work with the applicant on

1059
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,680
the architecture of the building.

1060
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,700
It will be brickclad on all four sides.

1061
01:40:08,420 --> 01:40:16,960
The entrance for the building will be facing the north or the stormwater management panel or the back of the wise store.

1062
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:27,020
the signage, there's two monument signs located at each entrance, the adequate parking requirements

1063
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:38,760
for this are 143 spaces including 8 ADA spaces are provided, it's 145 including 8 ADA and

1064
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:48,160
one loading. So they meet the parking requirements, the lighting fixtures are going to be something

1065
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:54,480
that we want to look at as far as the height of the lighting and the shielding. The lights

1066
01:40:54,480 --> 01:41:00,000
hat can be, we're looking to keep the lights at no more than 12 feet and they need to be shielded

1067
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:06,460
from all the residential houses so that they shine internal to the site. The stormwater

1068
01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:09,000
The interim management has already been addressed on this property.

1069
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:18,360
It's the pond that's actually right next to it, and there will be storm drain that'll be private on site to direct water into that pond.

1070
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:33,300
The water and sewer has also been located along Potomac View Parkway and is in place, and we have worked with the imp to stub those in to the property on the west side.

1071
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:34,320
The

1072
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,400
forest conservation for this site will be approved by Frederick County.

1073
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:46,340
The open space has been addressed in this part of the overall PUD.

1074
01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:50,700
Screening is critical on this property.

1075
01:41:51,620 --> 01:42:07,880
Screening along the south, west edge along Shun Parkway from the houses to the building needs to be as much of a burn as possible, as well as height of the plan.

1076
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:13,680
that the building can be screened from lighting as well as the visual aspect of the building.

1077
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:28,580
Also, the South East side next to Lot 164 is elevated hill and that needs to be screened as well to protect the visual aspects of that property.

1078
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:43,860
The parking along Shenandoah view parkway toward the rear of the building will be for employees and the patients will enter the building on the front side facing the pond.

1079
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:56,940
The staff is recommending the site improvement plan and final plan approval with the final conditions.

1080
01:42:56,940 --> 01:43:02,380
satisfaction, satisfactory address all comments of the tax meaning, address all reviewing

1081
01:43:02,380 --> 01:43:09,880
agency comments related to state improvement plans, revise the HOA documents to specifically

1082
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:16,480
address the commercial use being proposed, approval of the recordation and final plat and

1083
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:18,140
the applicant is bound by their testimony.

1084
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:21,220
Any questions?

1085
01:43:23,850 --> 01:43:27,230
Fellow commissioners, questions, discussion?

1086
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:31,850
The design looks a little monolithic to me.

1087
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:40,890
I mean, are we trying to be on the trees, although apparently there's been some problem

1088
01:43:40,890 --> 01:43:48,490
the trees already, what are we going to do to try to screen that?

1089
01:43:52,270 --> 01:43:59,010
Is the architect here? Or is that you? I mean, are you dealing with it or is he dealing with it?

1090
01:44:00,810 --> 01:44:01,990
I'm talking about the landscaping.

1091
01:44:02,630 --> 01:44:04,070
Do you like anything on the architecture today?

1092
01:44:10,750 --> 01:44:13,690
What will have you do the architecture he can do the landscaping?

1093
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:16,590
Or you can do the landscaping, too, if you have one.

1094
01:44:16,650 --> 01:44:17,750
No, that's a gal, let him do that.

1095
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:20,650
So, say your name, please, sir.

1096
01:44:21,010 --> 01:44:21,250
Yes, sir.

1097
01:44:21,250 --> 01:44:23,510
Hi, Ben Bates, Bates Architects.

1098
01:44:23,870 --> 01:44:27,110
I'd like to say we're in the preliminary stages of architectural design.

1099
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:30,290
I think today's meeting is really focused on the site plan itself.

1100
01:44:31,110 --> 01:44:36,750
We welcome everyone's comments and want to be part of this community engagement process.

1101
01:44:38,850 --> 01:44:40,850
I think that's all I'll say.

1102
01:44:41,010 --> 01:44:44,830
We've tried to maintain in the material palette that was recommended to us.

1103
01:44:45,930 --> 01:44:49,750
We have broken down the building slightly and maybe some more color in tones.

1104
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:58,010
would help break down that. There is a obviously square footage that we want to get to and that also comes with parking requirements as well to develop that piece of property.

1105
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,460
Just a couple of questions.

1106
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:19,720
There's road access off of Shenandoah View Parkway. Is that the requirement? I would have to let the civil engineer speak to that?

1107
01:45:34,030 --> 01:45:47,230
Hey, good evening, Adam Roof. That means we engineer for the applicant. Can you repeat the question? I would say your name again. Adam Roof. And I'm with MHD engineer for the applicant. So my question is just.

1108
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:53,670
I'm not an expert in here, but to tell me if you part way, I can see it's much more of it in

1109
01:45:54,430 --> 01:45:58,490
ingress, egress for the community, but not for Shenandoah with you part way.

1110
01:45:58,610 --> 01:46:00,410
So I was just curious why you had a-

1111
01:46:02,270 --> 01:46:11,470
I think Potombe would be the primary access, but I think as far as circulation and safety, I think, you know, it's nice to have the access of the other road, Shenandoah.

1112
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:14,370
So I think Potombe would be the primary access.

1113
01:46:14,370 --> 01:46:21,730
Right, is that but is there like a legal requirement to have one off of there is a safety requirement.

1114
01:46:22,410 --> 01:46:28,030
If there was an accident, if you took me if you park away, you have to give everybody a way to get out of the site.

1115
01:46:28,710 --> 01:46:36,510
If there was a fire that was blocking that other entrance, you need to be able to have an emergency access out so there has to be a second access out.

1116
01:46:36,730 --> 01:46:38,850
Can that be reserved only for emergency purposes?

1117
01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:49,980
I mean, we're going to review with Frederick County for the fire safety in life.

1118
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:56,960
I'm not sure the fire marshal would allow that in this case, for a medical facility.

1119
01:46:57,100 --> 01:47:01,760
Because if you have an ambulance coming in or something else, they're probably may not go out.

1120
01:47:03,180 --> 01:47:04,280
But that'd be for a marshal.

1121
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,800
As soon as the answer's no, that's what he said.

1122
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,140
Okay, but we could come back in a later date to clarify that.

1123
01:47:10,140 --> 01:47:14,130
Not as far as this plan.

1124
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:16,390
Okay.

1125
01:47:17,130 --> 01:47:32,150
All right, I was surprised with the amount of parking in this plan so that that parking is necessary to fit the requirements of the building with the occupancy of that building?

1126
01:47:32,150 --> 01:47:36,070
Yeah, we are, I think there's two additional spaces now what's required.

1127
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:43,070
Only two, okay, so the vision would be that, that full capacity, that parking lot would be completely full.

1128
01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:45,890
Or minus two spaces.

1129
01:47:47,070 --> 01:47:54,730
Well, for the zone requirement, we don't know, you know, potentially, it may not be, depends on, you know, kind of the use of the building.

1130
01:47:55,070 --> 01:47:59,370
Right now we're parking, I think five spaces per thousand square feet.

1131
01:48:00,190 --> 01:48:01,390
That is a zone requirement.

1132
01:48:01,390 --> 01:48:02,530
5.5.

1133
01:48:02,990 --> 01:48:03,550
5.5?

1134
01:48:03,810 --> 01:48:04,770
4000 square feet.

1135
01:48:05,570 --> 01:48:05,710
Okay.

1136
01:48:06,250 --> 01:48:13,050
And so from your planning, from your planning process, and this is designed to be a medical

1137
01:48:13,050 --> 01:48:13,350
center.

1138
01:48:13,870 --> 01:48:18,150
So I'm assuming you've got the staff coming in, I understand that the staff is going

1139
01:48:18,150 --> 01:48:22,690
to be encouraged to park near Chimendoa View Parkway.

1140
01:48:23,190 --> 01:48:23,610
Is that correct?

1141
01:48:23,850 --> 01:48:24,270
And then the-

1142
01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:25,190
The back side.

1143
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:25,830
Yes, Chimendo.

1144
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:28,850
And that back side that backs up to the eastern part of the pond.

1145
01:48:28,850 --> 01:48:33,030
And then they're going to be a door at the back of the building for the

1146
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:33,190
second.

1147
01:48:33,370 --> 01:48:34,850
There's a door at the back for staff.

1148
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:37,610
You can see on the right side of the plan there.

1149
01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:41,210
I see the right and the left and the front.

1150
01:48:41,230 --> 01:48:41,950
I don't see in the back.

1151
01:48:42,250 --> 01:48:42,490
I'm sorry.

1152
01:48:43,670 --> 01:48:44,110
All right.

1153
01:48:44,230 --> 01:48:44,870
Okay. On the right side.

1154
01:48:45,010 --> 01:48:45,870
Yeah, the back is right there.

1155
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:47,090
Oh, that's intended to be the back.

1156
01:48:47,250 --> 01:48:47,430
Yeah.

1157
01:48:47,710 --> 01:48:48,430
What's the front then?

1158
01:48:48,730 --> 01:48:49,790
This is the main, this is the main.

1159
01:48:49,950 --> 01:48:50,510
So that's the front.

1160
01:48:50,710 --> 01:48:51,490
It's covered, covered.

1161
01:48:52,230 --> 01:48:52,550
Okay.

1162
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:53,710
Okay.

1163
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:55,830
So the definition of a back means the right side.

1164
01:48:57,410 --> 01:48:57,910
Say it again.

1165
01:48:57,910 --> 01:49:03,410
Okay, so the back will be on the right side of the building, and the front will be the north elevation.

1166
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:05,990
Okay, the front is the one at the top?

1167
01:49:06,610 --> 01:49:06,790
Yes.

1168
01:49:08,150 --> 01:49:20,270
Okay, so just from a traffic perspective, I would assume that most people are going to be parking for about an hour or so for their appointment, and then leaving after that.

1169
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:21,110
Is that correct?

1170
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:24,070
Like this isn't like an outpatient six hour visit.

1171
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:27,980
I can't speak on that, I'm not sure.

1172
01:49:30,250 --> 01:49:35,810
Okay, but this is the intended to be potentially replacement for the medical center that's in Brunswick today.

1173
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:38,890
And more.

1174
01:49:39,390 --> 01:49:39,730
And more.

1175
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:46,230
Yeah, so some more professional spaces, chiropractor, etc., or whatever, different dollars, whatever.

1176
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:57,870
And then the amount of available land to put up trees, if we could go to the other map.

1177
01:50:00,380 --> 01:50:06,700
So there's going to be an embankment on the southwest side, and that's already indicated in one of these,

1178
01:50:08,910 --> 01:50:10,870
which is the bottom of the drawing, right?

1179
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:19,490
The bottom right, there's an embankment there, and that's already in place today, and then it's going to be, so the leveling of the ground is where it is today.

1180
01:50:19,790 --> 01:50:22,990
There's not going to be any additional excavation or additional.

1181
01:50:23,690 --> 01:50:25,490
No, it ties in cleanly over there.

1182
01:50:25,630 --> 01:50:31,590
It's mostly just going to be landscaping a little bit Italian for the parking area, but yeah, for the most part, that's pretty much on grade.

1183
01:50:32,010 --> 01:50:37,130
So is there any additional Birmingham, is that the right term, is that a word going to be cut in?

1184
01:50:37,390 --> 01:50:37,730
No, not there.

1185
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:41,770
So it's just be additional landscaping and trying to mask the building.

1186
01:50:41,950 --> 01:50:42,030
Yeah.

1187
01:50:42,530 --> 01:50:49,730
And will that landscaping, and it appreciates some time to grow in, is the intent that I'm a house

1188
01:50:49,730 --> 01:51:01,190
across the road from Shenandoah or Potomacbe Parkway that I would be able to see the cars in the parking and the building or will eventually be masking it.

1189
01:51:02,050 --> 01:51:09,270
I think eventually be masking it. At first you're going to have some shrubs that will cover the headlights and that sort of thing, but you know, it takes some time for the more mature stuff to grow, yes.

1190
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:14,020
But that's your intent, that it would be masking it.

1191
01:51:14,020 --> 01:51:18,120
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we, it's, it's, it's landscape very, very well over there.

1192
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:20,880
Okay, also, it's Granando and Patavio.

1193
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:25,260
So who would be responsible for maintaining these, these trees that aren't staying in place and

1194
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:26,740
being to be replaced?

1195
01:51:26,900 --> 01:51:29,520
Who's responsible for maintaining those trees and replacing those trees?

1196
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:30,080
The owner.

1197
01:51:30,940 --> 01:51:32,740
So it's not part of the HOA or anything like that?

1198
01:51:33,180 --> 01:51:33,580
No.

1199
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,240
Okay, and is there any, just for my, and I think it's my last question, I'm sorry.

1200
01:51:37,740 --> 01:51:43,940
Is there any, and they made this more of a brief question and, like, what sort

1201
01:51:45,460 --> 01:51:55,040
Is that in the contract, when the buyer buys it, that they have to, within 10 years, ensure that it's fully masked from the public?

1202
01:51:56,540 --> 01:52:00,160
Apart from wishful thinking, is there any legal documentation on that?

1203
01:52:06,970 --> 01:52:11,930
I mean, they would have to maintain it, and we would obviously look at it from property maintenance standpoint.

1204
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:18,750
I don't know what details are in the HOA documents to do.

1205
01:52:18,750 --> 01:52:29,850
So, you know, it says that they, but it would be impossible to sit there and make a statement that they would be, they may not be able to comply with.

1206
01:52:30,450 --> 01:52:40,470
As a reference, Nick, if you look at the back of the white building, which was initially a bunch of fairly small plantings, how long has it been in there eight years or something?

1207
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:47,870
Oh, it's probably been in here at least that long to say I mean it's it's come up and it's it's fielded pretty well from the roads and houses behind

1208
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:52,170
No, the white building was great, but there's also a pretty significant burn

1209
01:52:52,830 --> 01:53:01,790
But but I know I would agree but I would also take a look at the holiday and express and I know that it's still growing in but I don't think they will ever completely mask

1210
01:53:03,490 --> 01:53:08,690
The holiday and express so I'm just trying to I'm trying to use precedent here to understand what the future this will be

1211
01:53:11,470 --> 01:53:16,990
So there's no, so going back to the previous one, they were going to fall under the HOA,

1212
01:53:17,070 --> 01:53:18,950
they're going to have to pay HOA dues and things like that.

1213
01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:21,030
Does this property have to be HOA dues?

1214
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:22,950
Multiple.

1215
01:53:24,730 --> 01:53:25,990
And a multiple of that.

1216
01:53:26,250 --> 01:53:29,750
And so they're bound by HOA regulations and requirements.

1217
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:38,990
So if this were to be approved, could the homeowners work with the HOA to create more

1218
01:53:38,990 --> 01:53:44,470
clarification as to what this property needs to do from a maintenance perspective off of the landscaping.

1219
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:47,510
No, we would be looking at that.

1220
01:53:47,790 --> 01:53:51,190
If the plants were dying, we would require them to replace them.

1221
01:53:51,790 --> 01:53:56,710
We as the city of Runswood could be part of the property maintenance HOA would be, too.

1222
01:53:57,850 --> 01:54:00,590
Okay, all right, great, all right, sorry, great, thank you.

1223
01:54:00,950 --> 01:54:07,630
And as a moment for clarification on your parking, the way the ordinance reads,

1224
01:54:07,630 --> 01:54:17,810
Heads it reads 5.5 spaces per 1,000 square foot of gross floor area for otherwise permitted by the Planning Commission doing a slight plan review.

1225
01:54:18,610 --> 01:54:20,230
This is the site plan review.

1226
01:54:20,730 --> 01:54:32,650
If you felt that 5.5 spaces per 1,000 was too many and you wanted a bigger landscape berm, you could make that decision, but I don't think it's too many.

1227
01:54:32,650 --> 01:54:38,290
If you're talking about a medical facility, they could have multiple doctors, multiple services.

1228
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:39,730
It's going to need the parking.

1229
01:54:41,230 --> 01:54:49,090
Was there any discussion on alternate designs where the building was closer to Shenandoah and the parking?

1230
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:49,630
Yes.

1231
01:54:50,410 --> 01:54:54,110
And was there any rationale as to ending up with this design?

1232
01:54:54,110 --> 01:55:01,140
I believe the rationale for this particular design was so that they could

1233
01:55:02,980 --> 01:55:05,380
Separate mainly the patient

1234
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,840
Parking from employee parking and

1235
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:17,960
It's just it's fit their needs better and their design of what they what Frederick primary care builds

1236
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,340
They they did shove the building all around

1237
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:29,060
And this was the position that they started doing.

1238
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:30,900
Great, thank you.

1239
01:55:34,130 --> 01:55:34,450
Allen.

1240
01:55:36,340 --> 01:55:40,740
Is this building in vision to be a single tenant building or multiple suite building?

1241
01:55:44,580 --> 01:55:45,720
Multi suite, I think.

1242
01:55:45,860 --> 01:55:46,040
Multi suite?

1243
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:46,360
Yep.

1244
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:46,800
Okay.

1245
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,760
It's through the zoning booth.

1246
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:56,140
Is there any prohibition of 24 hour services for this type of site?

1247
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:04,120
We can make it, you can make it right now with your approval.

1248
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:04,840
It's good to know.

1249
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:13,500
But there was no discussion about having a 24-hour type service, you know, for any kind

1250
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:13,880
of matter.

1251
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:20,400
Just because facilities like this can, if not done right, create a lot of light pollution

1252
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:27,400
and if there, it's a 24-hour operation can be quite up to some neighbors, given its proximity

1253
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,840
to the residential development and that.

1254
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:34,100
And I think it would be totally within your purview to set a time frame as to when?

1255
01:56:39,410 --> 01:56:44,070
I acutepco, Mr. and John's comments about the architecture.

1256
01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:49,990
I think you guys have a little ways to go, and I know you can do it.

1257
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:52,190
I mean, I appreciate that.

1258
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:57,250
You have a specific recommendation, being that you are an architect yourself.

1259
01:56:58,090 --> 01:56:58,650
And I know Ben.

1260
01:56:58,810 --> 01:56:58,970
Yes.

1261
01:57:02,670 --> 01:57:04,030
So I know you can do better.

1262
01:57:04,030 --> 01:57:09,510
This is intended to be a preliminary nature in order to, I take it as such.

1263
01:57:09,550 --> 01:57:10,310
Go with this, I plan.

1264
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:12,890
But for those of us who are not architects,

1265
01:57:14,630 --> 01:57:16,310
where doing better means what?

1266
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:23,070
So, I mean, you look at the renderings of this building, this looks like it belongs in an office park in Germantown.

1267
01:57:24,650 --> 01:57:34,790
Not adjacent to a residential structure here, and I, by no means mean to set the bar here, but

1268
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:37,590
if you look at some of the stuff in the villages of Atlanta, how it's broken down in scale.

1269
01:57:38,250 --> 01:57:43,130
Like they are still, there's a lot of square footage in a lot of those buildings, but

1270
01:57:43,130 --> 01:57:47,550
some of them are broken down, and I agree there's some that look just like this too there.

1271
01:57:47,550 --> 01:57:57,310
But some of those have been successful in breaking down the scale of the building and that's kind of what I would hope you could work towards.

1272
01:57:57,830 --> 01:58:08,690
It's the break down of scale because you're going from these, you know, corporate or lots and 10th of an acre of lots that are adjacent to here and you're coming out of this thing and it's a big building.

1273
01:58:09,190 --> 01:58:10,610
It's only two stories but it's a big building.

1274
01:58:10,610 --> 01:58:14,790
And I think breaking the scale down, I'll lead that up to you.

1275
01:58:14,970 --> 01:58:20,410
I mean, give you some license to come with that, but that's what I'm hoping you can achieve is to break down the scale.

1276
01:58:20,770 --> 01:58:26,090
What struck me is that while the building is in our commercial area adjacent to the shopping center,

1277
01:58:26,610 --> 01:58:30,010
it is on the edge of it hard up against the residential areas.

1278
01:58:31,250 --> 01:58:37,530
So I think anything that would let the roof line blend into the residential areas would be much appreciated by the community.

1279
01:58:37,530 --> 01:58:44,130
Yeah, I can understand that absolutely and again, we do want community involvement, but we also have a client that we're

1280
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:52,730
They're input as well. So it's blending that making sure that if it's well. Oh, those people. I also noticed on the lower right the

1281
01:58:52,730 --> 01:58:58,310
parking areas need to be very close to that house there so anything you guys could do to screen block

1282
01:58:59,050 --> 01:59:04,090
Separate that I'm sure would also be appreciated for the person who lives there. Yes

1283
01:59:17,550 --> 01:59:23,830
I'm not sure they would like headlights go in their bedroom windows, but I don't want to do that's what's heard going

1284
01:59:24,590 --> 01:59:26,610
You got any winners on that side of the house?

1285
01:59:26,610 --> 01:59:36,710
Yeah, a low wall might be in order.

1286
01:59:37,170 --> 01:59:40,130
Yeah, so you're definitely going to, you're going to

1287
01:59:40,130 --> 01:59:44,750
definitely look at the ice, the screening for lighting and all that kind of stuff on

1288
01:59:44,750 --> 01:59:45,270
that corner.

1289
01:59:47,470 --> 01:59:52,270
In other words, whatever's at the top of that hill is going to have to screen right away,

1290
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:57,260
not wait five or six years to grow up.

1291
02:00:03,820 --> 02:00:05,920
Any other comments, gentlemen?

1292
02:00:11,010 --> 02:00:20,870
So, shall we have public comment, or if it's orderly? Yes. One at a time. Go ahead, Julie. Thank you, Julie. Thank you, gentlemen.

1293
02:00:23,050 --> 02:00:34,650
Before we have public comment, I would just like to remind everybody and planning commission that what is on the agenda is the approval of the site plan.

1294
02:00:34,650 --> 02:00:44,450
The zoning, the use for that space has already been, was already decided by this group previously.

1295
02:00:45,090 --> 02:00:49,090
So what you're doing is reviewing the site plan right now.

1296
02:00:49,410 --> 02:00:58,210
I also want to be very clear that we are talking about this plot of land now, not the previous discussion out yet.

1297
02:00:58,670 --> 02:01:01,650
Okay, just to save everybody a lot of heartache.

1298
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:18,670
Okay, the site plan can be changed or you can give your feelings on that the use of the

1299
02:01:18,670 --> 02:01:22,130
property has already been decided in a staff.

1300
02:01:22,330 --> 02:01:26,490
There was quite a lot at that, yeah, there was.

1301
02:01:40,610 --> 02:01:47,750
I'm just stating the fact I'm not, you know, trying to stir up trouble here and I wanted

1302
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:55,110
to make sure that we just stay on topics so this group can get the information they need

1303
02:01:56,470 --> 02:02:05,310
And I fully welcome your input and your anything you have to give this group to help them make their decision.

1304
02:02:05,470 --> 02:02:14,130
But their decision tonight is not the use of this property, it is whether this site plan is going to be approved or not.

1305
02:02:15,050 --> 02:02:15,550
Okay?

1306
02:02:17,490 --> 02:02:18,370
Thank you, Julie.

1307
02:02:19,710 --> 02:02:25,170
If I could paraphrase what you just said, we're not here to decide whether this will or

1308
02:02:25,170 --> 02:02:26,310
There won't be a medical building.

1309
02:02:26,970 --> 02:02:28,290
That train is left this occasion.

1310
02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:30,230
We're here to discuss.

1311
02:02:30,670 --> 02:02:31,150
Given that-

1312
02:02:31,810 --> 02:02:33,750
Well, that's a good question, sir, but-

1313
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:35,590
Yeah, and where will be it if it happened?

1314
02:02:36,150 --> 02:02:41,350
Yeah, I mean, you know, this high group of commas in that part of the land would even be developed.

1315
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:44,810
Sir, did you buy house in Brunswick Crossing?

1316
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:45,210
Yes.

1317
02:02:45,610 --> 02:02:50,730
Well, then I guarantee you got something that looks like a map of all of Brunswick Crossing.

1318
02:02:52,890 --> 02:02:59,550
It's set assisted living. That, and you also signed an agreement that that plan would

1319
02:02:59,550 --> 02:03:04,570
change from time to time is that, sir, sir, this is not this until now.

1320
02:03:05,590 --> 02:03:11,190
You signed something that said that you recognized what was going on in that community.

1321
02:03:13,450 --> 02:03:18,210
Well, I differ with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.

1322
02:03:24,450 --> 02:03:26,890
So anyone who would like to come up, please.

1323
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:39,660
All right, Brandon Barna, 418, Will's Creek Drive, so a couple of clarifying points.

1324
02:03:40,060 --> 02:03:46,960
So members of the community here have been stating that they have not been notified of these things that have been happening.

1325
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:56,240
And we also have had members on your own commission state that this should have been discussed in an HOA meeting.

1326
02:03:56,820 --> 02:04:02,400
What I will tell you is the HOA meetings only occur once a year and

1327
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:07,360
the vice president of the HOA is in this room and is also representing the developer.

1328
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:11,280
I'm not going to point out the person or say the person's name, but

1329
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:16,000
they represent a dual role in responsibility to both the company and the HOA.

1330
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:27,960
They only have, once a year, requirement to have a meeting with the residents, the semi-annual meeting, they send out minutes for or hold those minutes till November.

1331
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,900
We don't have a meeting until Thanksgiving.

1332
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:39,240
So I appreciate the members of this commission that believe that we should have handled this in an HOA meeting.

1333
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:54,420
but we believe that you as our public representatives and people handling this should have insured that we were notified of all the appropriate changes and when the dates were going to happen, when those were going to occur.

1334
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:56,380
I

1335
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,940
appreciate, can I clarify that for you?

1336
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:03,500
Yeah.

1337
02:05:04,210 --> 02:05:19,760
What happens when any project is going out, when I mentioned to you before that there's been 50 or so public hearings since the beginning of this project, there are five signs that are posted for every public meeting.

1338
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:24,040
One of them goes at the fire station.

1339
02:05:24,420 --> 02:05:29,000
One of them goes at the end of Potomac View Parkway where it hits 17.

1340
02:05:29,820 --> 02:05:33,340
One of them goes over on 180 side of the property.

1341
02:05:33,940 --> 02:05:38,000
One of them goes down behind where the elementary school is.

1342
02:05:38,700 --> 02:05:41,540
And I believe is there is another one on 180?

1343
02:05:41,660 --> 02:05:42,860
Is there two over 180?

1344
02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:45,320
Or it's two on 17?

1345
02:05:47,710 --> 02:05:50,990
I know there's, we fill out five of them all the time.

1346
02:05:50,990 --> 02:05:59,810
and we've gone through 250 signs since they are about 3 by 4 feet.

1347
02:06:03,390 --> 02:06:09,610
And it says public notice on it and big red letters, there's right on the fence.

1348
02:06:15,230 --> 02:06:19,830
Because when anything is going on with runs for crossing, it's the whole community gets

1349
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:24,030
notify. We had to put it all around the perimeter. So it's usually done by all the

1350
02:06:24,030 --> 02:06:29,570
answers. We don't, I mean we can't, you can't expect us to notify a thousand people

1351
02:06:29,570 --> 02:06:30,370
separately.

1352
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:43,810
I don't remember, but there were, there were many people here. I mean the room wasn't,

1353
02:06:43,890 --> 02:06:48,050
I will tell you the room wasn't this full and it was a different group of people for the

1354
02:06:48,050 --> 02:06:48,470
most part.

1355
02:06:52,850 --> 02:06:54,390
I don't know where they live.

1356
02:06:56,730 --> 02:06:57,790
I don't know.

1357
02:07:00,170 --> 02:07:01,290
Go ahead.

1358
02:07:02,210 --> 02:07:04,910
All right.

1359
02:07:05,330 --> 02:07:11,790
So now changing my tune a little bit, I am not opposed to a medical center.

1360
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:17,570
I will tell you since I've moved into this neighborhood, I have talked with said developer,

1361
02:07:17,570 --> 02:07:36,130
and I have talked with my City Council representatives, and I've talked with my not so helpful county representatives since I moved here eight years ago, asking for an urgent care, asking for medical facilities, asking for these sorts of things to come in here.

1362
02:07:36,730 --> 02:07:45,570
And with the intention that they stated there was originally going to be a nursing or assisted living, I thought that this was going to have either assisted living,

1363
02:07:45,570 --> 02:07:51,450
or houses that would be attached to a aged supportive community.

1364
02:07:51,810 --> 02:07:54,550
I used to live in a neighborhood where we had that.

1365
02:07:54,930 --> 02:08:06,290
We had what was called a continuity of care plan, which was every single section of the neighborhood was planned out for a different age to eventually transition into that.

1366
02:08:06,770 --> 02:08:08,730
So I am not opposed to a medical center.

1367
02:08:08,730 --> 02:08:16,670
What I am going to say today to this commission is I do not agree with the layout or the way this building looks.

1368
02:08:17,310 --> 02:08:29,950
I understand that it is a utilitarian medical building, but I also ask the commission or committee to please consider the same amount of workshops and time that you did for railroad square.

1369
02:08:29,950 --> 02:08:42,150
I'd expect you to give that seems sort of level of condition and time for our community members to speak when it comes to building a two story facility in our neighborhood.

1370
02:08:42,630 --> 02:08:55,250
And to echo Mr. St. John, I appreciate him saying that things such as HVAC and everything else up on the roof also needs to be screened, not just lighting and not just a hill and not just a wall.

1371
02:08:55,250 --> 02:09:04,330
All the people in the houses don't need to be seeing the HVAC units and don't need to be seeing all of the dumpsters and everything else going on in that property.

1372
02:09:04,930 --> 02:09:10,890
To the point of the engineering and planning team, can you look at and see if you can put pork chops in,

1373
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:20,610
ingress egress pork chops for some of these roadways so that we don't have a straight in, straight out route for all of these.

1374
02:09:20,610 --> 02:09:25,070
That will minimize the traffic flow, it will still allow emergency vehicles.

1375
02:09:25,330 --> 02:09:28,190
It still gets the requirements for the fire marshal.

1376
02:09:29,330 --> 02:09:36,650
The last thing that I'd like to bring up is, please make sure you widen Potomac View Parkway to support the additional parking.

1377
02:09:36,990 --> 02:09:41,010
That you are now saying the staff is going to park on our residents and streets.

1378
02:09:41,850 --> 02:09:42,150
Thank you.

1379
02:09:42,330 --> 02:09:43,050
Thank you.

1380
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:48,310
Next.

1381
02:09:55,260 --> 02:09:59,160
I think the idea of medical facility being there by I think is excellent.

1382
02:09:59,900 --> 02:10:03,600
We'll have aging parents and family and things like that, so having something close

1383
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:05,380
free if there's an emergency, if we want to fly there.

1384
02:10:06,580 --> 02:10:08,120
A little bit concerned about location, right?

1385
02:10:08,260 --> 02:10:08,900
We're building up big.

1386
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:13,480
I mean, if we're saying we're having to dig a hole to make enough parking for that building,

1387
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:18,060
it seems like we're talking about a lot of in-going, out-going traffic, and does that mean it's

1388
02:10:18,060 --> 02:10:21,940
going on a Saturday and Sundays and starting at six or seven in the morning and running

1389
02:10:21,940 --> 02:10:28,100
to eight o'clock a night. And those 120 spots, even if they're like six or 10 used, you

1390
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:32,400
know, you're still looking at 80, right? And is that 80 people every hour coming in or 80

1391
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:37,120
people, every two hours coming in, we're looking at five or 600 cars a day coming in down

1392
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:41,780
the channel going to the parkway. And also just like noise and things like that, like not

1393
02:10:41,780 --> 02:10:45,200
there right next to that, so you should not be expecting like a lot of lights or ambulance

1394
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:49,660
of noise coming in at night, or we'll be a close medical facility, so as actual 3.40

1395
02:10:49,660 --> 02:10:55,620
should we expect people to be coming in at 10 p.m. because we have a facility there and

1396
02:10:55,620 --> 02:10:58,260
bring with people in from emergency things like that.

1397
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:05,680
When we moved here, I understood there was going to be a assisted living, and I knew it's

1398
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:08,840
going to be multiple floors, so that I kind of wrapped my head around.

1399
02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:12,720
I kind of thought it would be something more closer to like the holiday end.

1400
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:17,200
we had some really outside, and then, you know, people would visit their loved ones every now and then.

1401
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:22,940
So that kind of traffic would be a lot less, and they'd be residents living there, staying there, so be a part of our community.

1402
02:11:23,900 --> 02:11:25,880
And so that was how I kind of envisioned that.

1403
02:11:26,580 --> 02:11:29,720
Now it's being a medical facility. I think it's a great idea.

1404
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:35,320
I just don't know if that's the best location for that kind of traffic, you know, so close into a residential.

1405
02:11:35,900 --> 02:11:38,620
And if we're looking at cars all day and late at night coming in,

1406
02:11:38,620 --> 02:11:46,320
And I mean, that is right where every kid, shown a view in Parkway, they have to walk across to the two high school bus points where they pick them up at.

1407
02:11:47,140 --> 02:11:52,880
And it's like they've become more of a major road, but I just hope you guys can just think about this a little bit for us.

1408
02:11:53,660 --> 02:11:59,160
I mean, if one needs to go, then maybe you can be a restriction on, and there's probably a lot of your profits, right?

1409
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:04,520
There's less people using that facility, but we live there too, so if you can take a look at that, thanks.

1410
02:12:05,260 --> 02:12:05,980
Thank you,

1411
02:12:09,230 --> 02:12:10,350
next.

1412
02:12:11,950 --> 02:12:17,850
Good evening everyone, Milo Wyatt, 1301, Shannon Doe of U Parkway, I'm Mike's neighbor.

1413
02:12:18,190 --> 02:12:19,950
He lives a little closer than I do.

1414
02:12:20,570 --> 02:12:25,130
I'm going to make a controversial statement, and so just hold on to your hats.

1415
02:12:25,970 --> 02:12:32,170
It's my personal opinion while a medical facility will serve the broader community and we need it.

1416
02:12:33,650 --> 02:12:38,130
There are houses, literally people are going to be opening their doors to that facility.

1417
02:12:38,850 --> 02:12:43,910
The Shenandoah view parkway, when you park a car, I mean we have to stop, that street is very narrow.

1418
02:12:44,710 --> 02:12:51,190
And I guess the proximity to that building is as close as you can get.

1419
02:12:51,730 --> 02:12:59,030
I worked on Thomas Johnson at the Patriot Center at the end of TJ by the new fire station.

1420
02:12:59,030 --> 02:13:01,230
I've worked there for five years.

1421
02:13:02,010 --> 02:13:05,830
That building is probably bigger than that building.

1422
02:13:06,710 --> 02:13:13,250
And it was traffic non-stop from 7, 6, 30 in the morning to probably,

1423
02:13:13,390 --> 02:13:15,270
and sometimes after 6 p.m.

1424
02:13:15,710 --> 02:13:20,950
because the guy that does the breathe right, he used to have seminars in the evenings.

1425
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:24,610
Now, that is zoned for just medical.

1426
02:13:24,610 --> 02:13:29,230
The Amber Meadows community is on an adjacent street.

1427
02:13:29,470 --> 02:13:31,070
It's not impacted at all.

1428
02:13:31,190 --> 02:13:32,510
There's no houses.

1429
02:13:33,210 --> 02:13:34,910
I go to the doctor in Columbia.

1430
02:13:35,850 --> 02:13:37,630
You have to go through a community,

1431
02:13:38,230 --> 02:13:42,770
but that medical facility for Johns Hopkins

1432
02:13:43,190 --> 02:13:44,870
is completely shielded.

1433
02:13:44,970 --> 02:13:47,230
You wouldn't even know unless you go to the doctor there.

1434
02:13:48,110 --> 02:13:53,130
So my concern is the location and property value.

1435
02:13:54,230 --> 02:14:00,290
Who's going to want to buy a house if I live further away, so I can't see it, so I'm

1436
02:14:00,290 --> 02:14:03,550
at the end of the block, Bronbach and Shannon Doe of you.

1437
02:14:04,270 --> 02:14:06,170
So I don't have the visual impact.

1438
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:10,930
So if my neighbor on the corner of Shannon Doe of you and Potomac view is going to try

1439
02:14:10,930 --> 02:14:15,410
to sell their house, and I'm selling mine at the same time, they may have a problem.

1440
02:14:16,130 --> 02:14:18,670
So I'm really looking at more valuation.

1441
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:27,750
I'm not saying that there's not a buyer for every property because there is, but that person paid a lot premium for that corner lot.

1442
02:14:28,190 --> 02:14:36,890
Now, what are they going to do when they have to try to market that property that's literally at the doorstep of a medical office?

1443
02:14:37,370 --> 02:14:41,390
Two story, with like they said, I didn't even think about the age back and all that.

1444
02:14:42,430 --> 02:14:53,250
So I just, I know that there are meetings, but I'm pretty active and I'm pretty involved, and I don't recall the change.

1445
02:14:53,950 --> 02:14:59,830
I'm pretty sure it happened, obviously, you have proof of it, but it's a huge burden.

1446
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:29,600
And for those homeowners. And while Brunswick proper needs of medical facility, why that specific spot, we have other lots in the community. So I just really want to understand that assisted living is a little different. Because to me, even though I'm not a planner, I consider it quasi residential. There is a commercial element of it, but people are living there. So they're going to have a different

1447
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:34,400
that approach to the property, and they're going to have a vested interest in the community.

1448
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,940
If you're just coming in and out to work, it's different.

1449
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:41,220
So that's my comment, thank you.

1450
02:15:41,540 --> 02:15:41,840
Thank you.

1451
02:15:48,820 --> 02:15:54,180
Next, I'm Mike Cardis, 1321, Shannon Dove, you parkway.

1452
02:15:55,900 --> 02:16:03,420
And I, myself, having been in the construction business for about 42 years has built a lot of these kind of things.

1453
02:16:04,660 --> 02:16:11,740
When you said the word monolithic, and it doesn't match the neighborhood, I think this would

1454
02:16:11,740 --> 02:16:16,620
now, I mean, it dies cast that we're going to do this, but I'm here to talk to the architects

1455
02:16:16,620 --> 02:16:21,960
when that is that for me, you could only make the whole perimeter parking by having two

1456
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:27,800
or three-story underground parking, you know, formed out of concrete, underground parking with

1457
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:33,100
and hide all the perimeter parking, and then you could build the design of the building

1458
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:38,260
to look like the neighborhood, instead of having brick have sniping like all the other

1459
02:16:38,260 --> 02:16:43,500
houses, you know, make it appealing, make it look like it belongs in Brunswick Cross.

1460
02:16:44,420 --> 02:16:49,340
You know, don't make it look like this monolithic thing that just doesn't fit in a neighborhood.

1461
02:16:50,020 --> 02:16:55,180
So, you know, I know the dies cast for the thing to go on, but the architectural design

1462
02:16:55,180 --> 02:17:01,380
of this is hideous, I mean it really is and it will affect property value and all that

1463
02:17:01,380 --> 02:17:06,980
but it could be designed and built in a way that fits with the neighborhood and I don't

1464
02:17:06,980 --> 02:17:12,380
think the architects in this particular situation even they just want to cookie cover something and

1465
02:17:12,380 --> 02:17:15,380
they haven't really thought about how it fits into the community.

1466
02:17:15,960 --> 02:17:21,580
So I think a design build of a totally different ill should be considered where you know you

1467
02:17:21,580 --> 02:17:24,560
do away with the entire perimeter parking, having underground parking.

1468
02:17:25,100 --> 02:17:26,420
You know, nobody would ever see it.

1469
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:30,340
And then you could put a façade around there that was like deciding in the neighborhood

1470
02:17:30,340 --> 02:17:31,380
of the houses that are there.

1471
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:37,080
The way you got it right now, it's just, I think it's hideous, but that's just my two-span,

1472
02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:37,660
so I'm going to do that.

1473
02:17:42,020 --> 02:17:42,420
Next.

1474
02:17:45,700 --> 02:17:54,160
Alexandria Profit, 1206 Potomac U. I understand that it is a need, but I personally travel to

1475
02:17:54,160 --> 02:18:24,020
Leaseburg and Frederick for my doctors, so it's not something that I feel is lacking in our neighborhood today, but as others have stated we have other green ground in the neighborhood closer to right next to the get go and the or the white go whatever gas and go and the holiday in huge green space for a medical building, I'd be happy to go to something there I do think there should be some consideration of not just the sound, the light, all of the things but the environmental

1476
02:18:24,020 --> 02:18:30,120
effects of a large commercial building across from our neighbors who look right out at it.

1477
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:35,840
I would be completely perturbed if it was 24 hours, so hopefully that is something that

1478
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:40,740
if this does get passed, we could at least maintain some sort of sense around the hours

1479
02:18:40,740 --> 02:18:43,600
that our neighbors can at least get a good night's sleep.

1480
02:18:44,340 --> 02:18:49,440
If we can't feel the front of our neighborhood today, why do we feel that we can feel this large

1481
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:59,960
I do have some confusion around that because I feel like there's still open areas up there and open businesses.

1482
02:19:00,660 --> 02:19:08,600
It is a huge focal point of our neighborhood, right next to a walking trail, our community pool, a large park, a volleyball field.

1483
02:19:08,780 --> 02:19:18,340
It is just going to be a complete and utter eye sore in my opinion, that might not be really a big problem for most, but it just seems a little.

1484
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:20,100
like an eye sore.

1485
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:24,560
The traffic is going to be insane for lack of a better word.

1486
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:27,540
Again, I have a small child, many children.

1487
02:19:27,900 --> 02:19:30,960
We take a walk down that actually in the grass

1488
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:32,920
of that area every single evening.

1489
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:36,440
I just don't find it safe to have people

1490
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:38,180
coming further into our neighborhood

1491
02:19:38,180 --> 02:19:39,920
to come to a medical building.

1492
02:19:40,180 --> 02:19:44,360
There again, the parking on the streets is already a problem

1493
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:46,140
when people are not going the speed limit.

1494
02:19:46,140 --> 02:19:48,720
I'm having to slow down, pull in, do all the things.

1495
02:19:49,420 --> 02:19:53,820
It would need to be widened and made better for travel, if things like that happen.

1496
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:59,480
It's a disturbance, safety, property value, just like she stated previously.

1497
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:04,760
We have a pond at the bottom, like a runoff pond, what would happen with that?

1498
02:20:05,980 --> 02:20:08,360
Is there an opportunity to rezone this?

1499
02:20:08,580 --> 02:20:10,040
We make changes all the time.

1500
02:20:10,220 --> 02:20:15,480
Can we as a community, today if this becomes denied, come forward to rezone?

1501
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:16,840
And what is that process?

1502
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:18,520
How can we do that as a community?

1503
02:20:18,780 --> 02:20:25,120
Because I think we would all be on board to do something like that and take the appropriate steps to come to the zoning commission to do that.

1504
02:20:25,980 --> 02:20:27,560
Like I said, there's plenty of space.

1505
02:20:27,560 --> 02:20:30,800
I'm not opposed to this type of medical center, like everyone else said.

1506
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:35,280
If it was something like a retirement center assisted living, it's totally different.

1507
02:20:35,620 --> 02:20:39,180
You just have visitors rather than daily traffic every single day.

1508
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:44,860
And at the end of the day, I don't feel it comes down to us.

1509
02:20:44,860 --> 02:20:50,160
as a community that are represented here, being that sort of not in my backyard.

1510
02:20:50,500 --> 02:20:55,080
It really comes down to the fact that we feel that our developer,

1511
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:57,800
Pleasants, and unfortunately you're their representative today,

1512
02:20:58,590 --> 02:21:03,860
have really sort of put us in a position where things are constantly changing.

1513
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:09,420
And they are affecting not only the safety of our neighborhood, the value of our properties,

1514
02:21:10,020 --> 02:21:13,940
but I'm not sure that you personally would want a medical building,

1515
02:21:13,940 --> 02:21:17,800
where ambulances are coming right in front of your front door every single day.

1516
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,880
So I don't think it's about that, not my backyard.

1517
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:25,660
It's about feeling that our developer is not giving back to our community.

1518
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:26,580
Thank you.

1519
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:32,820
Thank you, next.

1520
02:21:33,460 --> 02:21:37,420
Hi, Marie Verodman, one three, one one, pennington drive.

1521
02:21:40,680 --> 02:21:43,800
I just wanted, there were a lot of things that are already about the aesthetics,

1522
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:49,340
I'm not going to go there, but the traffic, I think, really needs to be driven home.

1523
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:56,360
If you have roughly 150 parking spaces and you give even 50 of them to the employees,

1524
02:21:56,740 --> 02:22:01,220
you have 100 spaces open with a turnover rate of every 30 minutes.

1525
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:04,240
The building's going to be open 10 hours a day.

1526
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:09,460
That's 200 cars an hour, tax 2,000 cars a day.

1527
02:22:09,460 --> 02:22:15,540
Those cars have to drive into our neighborhood, and then they have to turn around and drive out of our neighborhood.

1528
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:20,580
That's 4,000 trips into our neighborhood in a day.

1529
02:22:21,140 --> 02:22:23,620
The street is not suitable.

1530
02:22:23,880 --> 02:22:25,840
The street needs to be a two lane road.

1531
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:38,100
It needs a turn lane in the middle for people to get in, and for people to get out, because otherwise traffic's going to back up because every good, those 4,000 cars are coming in and they've all got to stop to turn left to get in.

1532
02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:44,320
It's just not a great place for that much traffic.

1533
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:48,240
Did anyone do a traffic feasibility study?

1534
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:52,880
Has anyone looked at that, are what we talk about safety?

1535
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:58,500
Those roads are not wide enough for ambulances if there's a problem with all that traffic.

1536
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:00,100
It's not safe.

1537
02:23:00,820 --> 02:23:06,380
It's not safe for a fire truck to come if you can't get a fire truck in there.

1538
02:23:06,380 --> 02:23:11,260
because you've got 4,000 cars a day coming into our neighborhood.

1539
02:23:12,360 --> 02:23:18,960
And I think until we address the traffic issue, this is a dead issue.

1540
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:23,380
You can't go there with that many cars coming in.

1541
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:28,940
You need a two-lane road, and right now our second egress is going into a street

1542
02:23:28,940 --> 02:23:32,380
that's even wider than the main entrance in the front.

1543
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:34,960
I mean, even narrower than the main entrance in the front.

1544
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:51,820
So, unless you're going to take a large chunk out of this piece of property to widen both of those roads to be two lanes in each direction, that's like four lanes or three lanes because you need one in each direction and a turning lane in the middle on both of them.

1545
02:23:51,820 --> 02:24:01,740
And then, you need to put in at least stops knives, a four-way stop at each intersection because we have children who walk to the pool in the summer time.

1546
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:09,140
If any of you have ever been to our neighborhood, we have people, families with their wagons walking to the pool.

1547
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:16,880
How can you do that with 4,000 cars? Can we put in traffic lights there, please, so I can cross with my dog and not be killed?

1548
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:25,800
someone's going to get hurt. It's too many cars in too small of a space to accommodate it.

1549
02:24:26,060 --> 02:24:30,800
I'm all for this building. I just don't think it's the appropriate place. But having listened to the

1550
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:37,520
needs of what people are saying by God, I want a daycare center in there. That would fly.

1551
02:24:37,960 --> 02:24:42,560
That's a going concern. Someone's going to make a boatload of money out of it.

1552
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:48,140
Because we've got kids in our neighborhood, lots and lots of kids.

1553
02:24:48,340 --> 02:24:49,440
We have so many kids.

1554
02:24:49,780 --> 02:24:55,240
We have a bus stop on every freaking corner because there's 20 kids in every corner and

1555
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:57,140
we have a bus for each of those stops.

1556
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:04,820
So how are the school buses going to get through with the 4,000 cars coming in and

1557
02:25:04,820 --> 02:25:06,340
out of our neighborhood every day?

1558
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:13,920
I just don't get it and if someone can explain that to me, I will be very happy.

1559
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:15,300
Thank you.

1560
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:15,760
Thank you.

1561
02:25:22,860 --> 02:25:26,240
Donovan Fox, 1521 Crampton Street.

1562
02:25:27,820 --> 02:25:31,140
A lot of folks have talked about the aesthetics.

1563
02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:33,140
I'll just mention one thing about the aesthetics.

1564
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:35,280
It's an eyesore, it just is.

1565
02:25:35,960 --> 02:25:39,320
I've seen medical facilities in communities before,

1566
02:25:39,620 --> 02:25:41,780
but they're usually designed like the community.

1567
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:45,460
I mean, my dentist is in a community,

1568
02:25:45,460 --> 02:25:47,040
and it looks like a little townhouse,

1569
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:48,500
and there's about 50 of them.

1570
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:51,140
They're little office buildings that look like townhouses,

1571
02:25:51,140 --> 02:25:53,820
And they, you know, they fit within that community.

1572
02:25:53,960 --> 02:25:55,940
They're not a, whoa, what is that?

1573
02:25:57,020 --> 02:25:59,740
So, and lastly, I'm concerned about the parking.

1574
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:02,120
And I don't think anyone's really mentioned that.

1575
02:26:04,700 --> 02:26:06,540
Sometimes when I do go to that facility,

1576
02:26:06,920 --> 02:26:08,720
there isn't any parking, and what I do,

1577
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:10,440
I end up parking in front of somebody's house.

1578
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:15,700
Sometimes, I've gotten chewed out before for parking

1579
02:26:15,700 --> 02:26:19,240
in front of someone's house before, that's what I could do.

1580
02:26:20,460 --> 02:26:22,700
But that's going to be a concern, that's going to happen.

1581
02:26:23,440 --> 02:26:37,520
If we have like, as you said, 2,000 cars coming in there, people are going to be parking in front of people's houses, and that's going to piss off a lot of residents, and there's going to be some arguments, and I mean, that lady was going to punch me out if she could add, so I mean, that's going to happen.

1582
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:46,340
I just want to make everyone clear that it will happen if we don't widen the street and provide maybe Pacific Street parking for the facility or something.

1583
02:26:46,340 --> 02:26:49,940
And because I don't think that the amount of parking spaces is enough.

1584
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:51,800
Thank you.

1585
02:27:00,670 --> 02:27:05,210
Elena Gershon, one three two five, one and double view parkway.

1586
02:27:06,370 --> 02:27:14,630
And actually my house is right there, so I can tell you this road, I'm sorry, this road

1587
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:20,270
is like snow narrow, and you can even do one side of the park and then another.

1588
02:27:20,270 --> 02:27:27,250
It's only the parking pretty much available by you guys planning to build that facility.

1589
02:27:28,210 --> 02:27:36,430
And then if you're going to have entrance, first of all for us, it's going to be no extra parking because don't forget every family has three or four cars.

1590
02:27:37,530 --> 02:27:41,890
So, where are we going to park? You can park on the both sides and then possible.

1591
02:27:42,550 --> 02:27:48,590
So, like, if you can do your resources and really check the area, it's no way to have this building done.

1592
02:27:48,590 --> 02:27:55,250
That's number one, then I have a question for you guys, why did you choose this particular

1593
02:27:55,250 --> 02:27:58,190
lot for the medical offices?

1594
02:28:00,190 --> 02:28:07,130
Because it's so many other lots that are available by close to the community, like you can

1595
02:28:07,130 --> 02:28:10,090
do by the fire department.

1596
02:28:10,910 --> 02:28:18,290
And to be honest, it's perfect because you have a circle, you make the right, and you can

1597
02:28:18,290 --> 02:28:20,830
in a lot of parking lot and everything.

1598
02:28:21,350 --> 02:28:23,910
Plus, it will be convenient for the people

1599
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:27,870
because vice is there so the pharmacy, you know,

1600
02:28:28,030 --> 02:28:30,710
it's also another like, wherever Duncan Donald

1601
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:34,530
Burger King, you know, but I just don't understand

1602
02:28:35,350 --> 02:28:38,990
like the purpose to build in this kind of community plus.

1603
02:28:39,630 --> 02:28:42,370
When I was buying a house, I was told

1604
02:28:42,370 --> 02:28:46,330
that it's gonna be senior living and I particularly asked

1605
02:28:46,330 --> 02:28:51,590
If the zone is going to be changed to the commercial and I was promised that it's still going

1606
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:55,330
to be residential, even it's not going to be the assistant living.

1607
02:28:56,090 --> 02:29:00,950
So now, if I knew this is going to happen, would I buy a house there?

1608
02:29:01,630 --> 02:29:01,790
No.

1609
02:29:03,030 --> 02:29:05,450
And now you're making me to move.

1610
02:29:06,310 --> 02:29:07,870
Am I going to afford to move?

1611
02:29:08,170 --> 02:29:08,370
No.

1612
02:29:08,770 --> 02:29:11,090
You saw how much the house is, how much the cost.

1613
02:29:11,510 --> 02:29:14,310
I'm sorry, my rate right now is 2.25.

1614
02:29:14,310 --> 02:29:20,270
Would I move? Would I be able to buy another house? No. So what you make it into do, you know what I mean?

1615
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:26,530
So you have to all such that I am important to check with the community before you guys make everything.

1616
02:29:27,610 --> 02:29:32,650
You know, and then if I'm going to sell the house, if the people see this building, would they buy this house?

1617
02:29:33,810 --> 02:29:38,570
You know, maybe they will, but much less. So I'm losing the money.

1618
02:29:38,570 --> 02:29:45,290
You know so how is it fair for the people it's not if I knew in advance I would never buy it

1619
02:29:46,210 --> 02:29:50,510
So that's the issue and yes the medical building is awesome

1620
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:56,690
I mean I work in the medical skills for over 15 years my question. What about the laboratories?

1621
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:59,290
What's gonna happen?

1622
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:27,700
No, when they do the lab, they're supposed to have boxes outside for the lab to pick up. Also, the medical waste. How is it going to be taken care of? Plus, don't forget, guys, we're all human beings. I've worked at different offices. Some offices are perfect, but another offices are terrible. They don't do the requirements of the medical waste and everything else. You know, so how is it going to affect the community? It's very important as well.

1623
02:30:29,880 --> 02:30:42,260
So that's pretty much it and like I said because it's not enough space here even for the parking lot and everything and when you're going to place the dumpsters and everything and even with trees like you think you're going to cover.

1624
02:30:43,260 --> 02:30:50,500
It's impossible because like I said just when you have time just drive around and you will understand why it's impossible.

1625
02:30:50,500 --> 02:30:55,080
Well, you can do the others, I will be the first one who would say yes for the medical offices.

1626
02:30:55,400 --> 02:30:58,860
It's important, and the community is so huge.

1627
02:30:59,380 --> 02:31:03,920
It's amazing, plus you have little kids, you know, if something happens emergency, you'll look right there.

1628
02:31:04,420 --> 02:31:07,220
But not in the community, not in this particular area.

1629
02:31:07,480 --> 02:31:07,980
Thank you.

1630
02:31:15,340 --> 02:31:19,320
Hi, my name is Charlie Crawford, I'm at 1137, Potomac View Parkway.

1631
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:23,660
I first would like to go on record up to a month ago.

1632
02:31:23,660 --> 02:31:27,380
So when I saw the site planning, I had no idea any of this was happening.

1633
02:31:28,780 --> 02:31:30,840
Secondly, I have a question.

1634
02:31:31,320 --> 02:31:40,440
What is the anticipated visit for this building, medical visits that should be in your planning?

1635
02:31:40,960 --> 02:31:51,400
For any medical site, there is in the planning about how many anticipated visits there will be either per day per year.

1636
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:52,400
No

1637
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:56,000
comments, okay.

1638
02:31:57,180 --> 02:32:02,920
So I think that's really important for us because my concern, I'll try not to get emotional,

1639
02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:04,160
is the safety.

1640
02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:09,840
I live on the corner of Potomac View and Landercreek, and it is already a lot of traffic.

1641
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:11,200
The road is not wide enough.

1642
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:17,740
And I have children that play on that street, they walk across the street to go to the playground.

1643
02:32:17,740 --> 02:32:27,140
And I do not think that that site can support this scale of medical facility.

1644
02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:33,260
I wasn't honestly too upset when I heard it was a medical office building.

1645
02:32:33,540 --> 02:32:37,800
I envision something like the medical center that is up off of night.

1646
02:32:38,060 --> 02:32:43,980
It looks like a house, it is one story, small parking lot.

1647
02:32:43,980 --> 02:32:48,560
I feel like something like that could be doable there.

1648
02:32:48,940 --> 02:32:53,860
And so when I was really shocked when I read the agenda and

1649
02:32:53,860 --> 02:33:04,100
the architecture and I guess just the scale of this type of building in this flat.

1650
02:33:04,840 --> 02:33:09,220
I am not an expert, this is just for my lay view.

1651
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:13,760
I really have a hard time understanding how all of that will

1652
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:20,900
fit in that lap, with trees and things to make it private.

1653
02:33:21,500 --> 02:33:27,360
I just do not think that this plaque can support the traffic that's going to come in and out of there on the daily basis.

1654
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:29,220
Thank you.

1655
02:33:34,930 --> 02:33:37,710
John Hatcher, five and five, Potomac View Parkway.

1656
02:33:38,970 --> 02:33:46,770
One thing that was stated by this manner, that kind of caught my attention was that there was a vote or a look at it being for

1657
02:33:46,770 --> 02:33:50,970
that elder care or having elderly houses so that people get, but it was voted out.

1658
02:33:51,290 --> 02:33:56,450
Don't know anything about that and never heard anything of it because that would have been a good idea of something nice to hear about.

1659
02:33:56,910 --> 02:34:04,610
The second thing that the planner talked about was the retention pond that there's like an environmental study or whatever to make sure it worked because when it rains,

1660
02:34:04,810 --> 02:34:10,370
if you're looking at that parking lot, that thing is going to flood because all that water is just going to run in there and it's just going to run over.

1661
02:34:10,370 --> 02:34:17,710
I agree with what you were saying, we're right at wise if you place it there or if you place even that monolithic building

1662
02:34:17,710 --> 02:34:24,510
over by the holiday end, it fits right in, it looks like that so if it's over there that's fine.

1663
02:34:25,450 --> 02:34:32,490
A lot of people, I don't know if y'all saw one lady left crying because of your statement that this is over.

1664
02:34:33,490 --> 02:34:36,510
We're going to do it, you're just deciding what it needs to look like.

1665
02:34:36,510 --> 02:34:41,350
It's like, and like his name is John, and he's upset because he actually lives right there.

1666
02:34:41,610 --> 02:34:42,790
So he's going to be looking at it.

1667
02:34:43,390 --> 02:34:46,330
He's like, wait, you already said that why am I here?

1668
02:34:47,070 --> 02:34:52,370
Because we were, everybody, I know I was, I don't know about everybody, but I know the only reason I came was because

1669
02:34:52,770 --> 02:34:56,790
I thought this was, hey, do we want it there, or we don't want it there.

1670
02:34:56,930 --> 02:35:02,770
I didn't know it was to decide on a planning that it's already been decided, so that threw me for a loot.

1671
02:35:02,770 --> 02:35:14,250
It would have been nice to be a part of that and yet, and I do look at the page and I try to read and try to keep up with when y'all have these meetings, so I can come to, if I want, if I have something to voice.

1672
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:24,770
Lastly, when you talk about that building is going to be facing the retention pond so everybody who's living on Shenandoah are looking at the back of a building.

1673
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:30,450
That's not good, because every morning you're getting up to look at the back of the building and people coming in and out.

1674
02:35:30,990 --> 02:35:37,430
That's going to cause a lot of issues for the people running through, so thank you.

1675
02:35:45,740 --> 02:35:53,400
My name is Andrea Noruzie, and I live at 1304 Shenandoah View Parkway.

1676
02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:58,600
So our house is just several houses down from this lot.

1677
02:35:58,600 --> 02:36:04,000
And we are going to be very impacted by this building.

1678
02:36:04,760 --> 02:36:09,140
And we were not given any sort of personal notice.

1679
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:14,900
And in any place, I've ever lived in the 52 years of my marriage and we've moved many places.

1680
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:26,900
If there was something within close proximity of your home, you received in the mail a letter notifying you exactly what was going to happen even with details.

1681
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:28,960
It was a requirement.

1682
02:36:29,560 --> 02:36:33,900
I was disappointed to hear that that isn't a requirement here in Brunswick because I have

1683
02:36:33,900 --> 02:36:38,480
a really high opinion of the city of Brunswick and the city government.

1684
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:39,960
I think we're doing a great job.

1685
02:36:40,620 --> 02:36:42,640
I think Brunswick Crossing is a great community.

1686
02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:46,820
This is really disillusioned me tonight to hear what's going on.

1687
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:51,900
And I know that the HOA hasn't been as communicative as it should have been.

1688
02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:55,900
There's been a lot of complaints about that that we've heard.

1689
02:36:55,900 --> 02:36:59,800
But this is beyond the pale of uncommunicative.

1690
02:37:00,460 --> 02:37:10,800
The fact that we didn't even know that this was up for consideration and has previously been changed to a medical building when there was an option of senior housing.

1691
02:37:11,660 --> 02:37:15,860
I bet you everybody here would have opted for the senior housing in a heartbeat.

1692
02:37:17,020 --> 02:37:20,700
All of us have said that we wouldn't mind additional houses.

1693
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:24,140
is we wouldn't even mind a small scale as we said,

1694
02:37:24,700 --> 02:37:28,240
something that fit into the character of the community,

1695
02:37:28,460 --> 02:37:30,560
that the architecture and the scale

1696
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:32,740
fit in with the community and with the safety

1697
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:34,120
of the community.

1698
02:37:34,580 --> 02:37:39,160
This is a monstrosity that is going to ruin our community.

1699
02:37:39,780 --> 02:37:40,260
Ruin it.

1700
02:37:41,020 --> 02:37:44,840
And it's so ironic because I set in a meeting,

1701
02:37:44,980 --> 02:37:47,760
a special meeting, I think it was with you

1702
02:37:47,760 --> 02:38:03,180
and others from the HOA, and we were trying to convince the HOA that we needed a native plant committee to enhance neighborhood with native plants.

1703
02:38:03,500 --> 02:38:09,540
That was controversial, that might ruin the property values of everyone.

1704
02:38:09,540 --> 02:38:17,120
I can tell you that native plants is a whole hell of a lot better than this thing.

1705
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:24,800
You are going to ruin the neighborhood if you're trying to maintain the property values

1706
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:30,500
for all of us, if you're trying to maintain your reputation as a builder, as the community,

1707
02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:35,080
then you better find another way because this thing is going to do it.

1708
02:38:35,980 --> 02:38:36,920
It ain't going to do it.

1709
02:38:36,920 --> 02:38:41,760
This is really, really scrotisturbing and so ridiculous.

1710
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:47,700
I can tell you that the intersection of Shannon Doe of You Parkway and Potomac View Parkway is tiny.

1711
02:38:48,820 --> 02:38:54,620
Just trying to turn from Shannon Doe of You to Potomac View Parkway, you have to be very, very careful.

1712
02:38:55,260 --> 02:39:02,260
There are whores parked on both sides of the road and there are, this is the main road so there's always traffic coming.

1713
02:39:02,260 --> 02:39:08,340
If a big truck goes through delivering furniture or doing whatever is going on in the community,

1714
02:39:08,980 --> 02:39:14,020
you can't, you have to pull over to the side and wait for that big truck to go by because

1715
02:39:14,020 --> 02:39:17,620
there's not enough room for a big truck in your car and I have a little car.

1716
02:39:19,260 --> 02:39:20,740
How is this going to work?

1717
02:39:21,540 --> 02:39:23,660
All the additional traffic you're talking about.

1718
02:39:23,820 --> 02:39:25,080
How can that possibly work?

1719
02:39:25,440 --> 02:39:31,680
When I first saw this come up on the screen and the images of it, I said, what in the heck

1720
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:39,100
happen to the people's sanity here. This is absolutely insane. Where were you?

1721
02:39:39,320 --> 02:39:43,640
What were you thinking? Did you look at our community? Did you come and talk to

1722
02:39:43,640 --> 02:39:46,560
any of us? Did you drive around and see what we're already

1723
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:51,480
dealing with? The traffic in that community is already. I thought it was

1724
02:39:51,480 --> 02:39:58,040
designed that way to be narrow street and slow traffic. This doesn't fit in.

1725
02:39:58,040 --> 02:39:59,060
Thank you, ma'am.

1726
02:40:06,320 --> 02:40:09,280
Hi, I'm Sherry Brescher, 413 Wills Creek Drive.

1727
02:40:10,100 --> 02:40:34,340
I know it was mentioned before, but I'd like to thank the committee to at least address it to us as to why that particular piece of land was frozen when we have the huge piece of land that's been leveled probably four times across from the Firehouse, where it is bigger than I believe than the piece of land that this has been proposed for, and this is an enormous building.

1728
02:40:34,340 --> 02:40:42,460
I know we had company at Thanksgiving that we're staying at the holiday in and going through that intersection and total their car.

1729
02:40:43,540 --> 02:40:46,180
So traffic is definitely going to be an issue.

1730
02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:57,380
The other thing that I want to address is, and I'm not saying you didn't do this, you said you put signs at each of the entrances telling us about all the prior meetings.

1731
02:40:57,380 --> 02:41:00,960
My husband and I walked this neighborhood five miles almost every day.

1732
02:41:02,120 --> 02:41:06,640
Only a month ago, did we see a sign on that property?

1733
02:41:06,780 --> 02:41:10,020
There has never been a sign on that property.

1734
02:41:10,480 --> 02:41:14,380
Once we saw that, we said this is something we really need to address.

1735
02:41:14,700 --> 02:41:22,240
If it's at the different entrances, I guess my mistake is I assume it's like the first topic that came up.

1736
02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:51,640
But, we're going to be developing these new houses, but as soon as it was on that property, and at the same time the first time it was in front of the farmhouse, that's when we knew that's something we needed to attend because it was specific to those properties, I think that that was really a miservice and kind of guess lighting us on the issues that were at hand.

1737
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:52,600
Thank you.

1738
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:53,640
Okay.

1739
02:42:01,860 --> 02:42:02,460
Senate Freeland.

1740
02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:08,280
I live at 1304 Pennings and Drive and I'll just start out by saying for all of you live

1741
02:42:08,280 --> 02:42:12,400
on Channando, Channando of you Parkway, I feel very badly for you.

1742
02:42:12,580 --> 02:42:16,620
I almost bought a house on that street and I'm thankful that I ended up on Canyton.

1743
02:42:18,500 --> 02:42:27,360
Mostly I have questions relative to what Beckow just said, never saw any signs on the property

1744
02:42:27,360 --> 02:42:34,280
until just a month ago. Why were those other signs not put on this actual piece of property?

1745
02:42:35,800 --> 02:42:38,420
Does anybody have an answer to that?

1746
02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:49,500
Can somebody answer that? I mean, when other people were speaking and they asked questions,

1747
02:42:49,680 --> 02:42:55,960
folks came up and helped address the question. Is there a reason that the sign was not the zoning

1748
02:42:55,960 --> 02:42:58,020
sign was not good on the property.

1749
02:43:01,240 --> 02:43:04,460
Bruce, do you have a guidance on that?

1750
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:10,920
Well, typically, like I said earlier, we have always put the signs on the

1751
02:43:10,920 --> 02:43:14,600
permers of the property, and that's just how it's been.

1752
02:43:14,840 --> 02:43:18,140
That's how it's been for 15 years.

1753
02:43:19,620 --> 02:43:23,440
Excuse me, excuse me, let the man speak.

1754
02:43:29,280 --> 02:43:32,200
We always put them on the perimeter. It's what we've always done.

1755
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:34,540
I've got a rain camera. I've got to sit here to storage.

1756
02:43:35,260 --> 02:43:36,860
That's time to run from my house.

1757
02:43:37,700 --> 02:43:38,480
Wait a minute, sir.

1758
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:40,400
You're next.

1759
02:43:42,860 --> 02:43:44,640
Okay, so that's kind of interesting.

1760
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:52,880
That's kind of strategic in that the signs were put around the perimeter of the community, but then when we came to this final hearing,

1761
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:58,400
It was actually put on the actual piece of property, so that's, and I use the word strategic

1762
02:44:00,140 --> 02:44:00,700
lightly.

1763
02:44:03,220 --> 02:44:10,480
Well, part of the problem that you're talking about is when we put the signs up there before it's owned

1764
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:16,740
and the use is all about Brunswick crossing in the Pleasant's development, so it goes on the outside.

1765
02:44:17,320 --> 02:44:22,260
This particular property is a different applicant altogether, it's not Pleasant's development.

1766
02:44:22,260 --> 02:44:28,660
that it's a Frederick primary care, so that's why it's one their property, as the

1767
02:44:28,660 --> 02:44:34,100
contract purchaser. Same thing with the infield property, it's about a new contract

1768
02:44:34,100 --> 02:44:40,500
purchaser, so that's why it's identified separately. It's not hard to run across it.

1769
02:44:41,020 --> 02:44:45,080
Even though it's in the development, it's not, they're not the applicant, Mrs. Harley.

1770
02:44:46,580 --> 02:44:47,180
Okay.

1771
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:48,720
We'll take that answer.

1772
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:59,960
I would add to say that the signs that were on the perimeter of Brunswick crossing that you say relative to the October 2022 meeting in the December 2023 meeting.

1773
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
And again, I drive the community pretty frequently, and I never ever saw a tonight that said, hey, we're going to resound this and make this a medical building. Again, don't have a problem with a medical building, put it up by the urgent care, you know, like businesses, like each other, put it up there, plenty of property up there for a medical facility. The other issue I have is the December of 2023 meeting, where you said that this is not

1774
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:38,420
kind of already decided it's going to be a medical building and we decided, we changed it in December of 2023 to amend the plan.

1775
02:45:41,880 --> 02:45:48,880
I guess if you had a meeting and amended the plan then, you could amend the plan today, too.

1776
02:45:50,540 --> 02:45:51,920
It's not a done deal.

1777
02:45:52,800 --> 02:46:00,100
Never say never, things can change and I think that you see with all of these people here tonight.

1778
02:46:00,100 --> 02:46:04,400
It's really a real sore subject.

1779
02:46:04,680 --> 02:46:11,080
I have been so proud to live in Brunswick Crossing, but this is really sour to me.

1780
02:46:11,740 --> 02:46:12,560
Thank you, ma'am.

1781
02:46:12,600 --> 02:46:13,120
It's unfortunate.

1782
02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:30,240
Matt Lane, 1147 in Potomac Parkway.

1783
02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:40,940
Could you pull up the housing view of that, like the house is adjacent to the roads around

1784
02:46:40,940 --> 02:46:41,160
here?

1785
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:43,320
The map.

1786
02:46:43,320 --> 02:46:47,380
the map, a little bit zoomed out a little bit.

1787
02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:48,960
Do you mean the side

1788
02:46:51,900 --> 02:46:52,360
panel?

1789
02:46:53,140 --> 02:46:54,820
Right there, it's perfect.

1790
02:46:56,280 --> 02:46:59,820
So my question is this road right here, the entrance.

1791
02:47:01,420 --> 02:47:03,280
This is out there right here.

1792
02:47:03,620 --> 02:47:05,480
So that's not the entrance of my front of my house.

1793
02:47:07,610 --> 02:47:10,930
There's no other interest into a building in this neighborhood

1794
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:16,270
or commercial space where it comes in front of someone's house.

1795
02:47:16,270 --> 02:47:22,430
It comes directly off a road so it makes more sense that it was to come off the main road of

1796
02:47:23,470 --> 02:47:27,110
Mirror into to me view where it's a four-way. There's a way to do that

1797
02:47:28,110 --> 02:47:31,850
Now you have it so there's parking going along this road here

1798
02:47:31,850 --> 02:47:37,600
And now two cars cannot even go across that road. It gets a stop going to get over

1799
02:47:38,340 --> 02:47:41,780
As they were saying these roads are not wide enough for this purpose right now

1800
02:47:42,260 --> 02:47:44,480
So now you're gonna add in a entrance

1801
02:47:47,280 --> 02:47:51,900
This is still the main road going to all that new construction used to prove that's going

1802
02:47:51,900 --> 02:47:58,420
on back in the southwest corner, because they don't always use the main drag coming

1803
02:47:58,420 --> 02:48:00,540
up from the sheet.

1804
02:48:01,100 --> 02:48:06,600
They still use to tell me if you would come behind wise and that route, so I'm just curious

1805
02:48:06,600 --> 02:48:08,680
what's going to happen right here.

1806
02:48:10,620 --> 02:48:14,160
I mean, obviously, the building itself is tedious.

1807
02:48:14,780 --> 02:48:17,540
It doesn't look any like an error, but they mentioned multiple times.

1808
02:48:18,740 --> 02:48:20,960
Maybe something close to the clubhouse would fit in.

1809
02:48:21,880 --> 02:48:25,280
If you wanted to be a two-story, to get that kind of vibe,

1810
02:48:25,620 --> 02:48:29,500
kind of form housey-looking, but the interest right here,

1811
02:48:29,560 --> 02:48:31,100
these interest is just on making sense at all.

1812
02:48:32,400 --> 02:48:36,240
The literally right in front of the house is road or two-tied.

1813
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:41,540
Just I'm just trying to understand what was the thought with that could you have elaborate on that

1814
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,300
With that development why why right there?

1815
02:48:46,360 --> 02:48:51,660
Because I just called it's like as soon as it gets around the neck the corner out there. Just make sense to go right in

1816
02:48:56,100 --> 02:48:56,500
So

1817
02:49:08,940 --> 02:49:12,820
I think the entrance is located where it is we're trying to stay as far away from the owners

1818
02:49:12,820 --> 02:49:16,120
We have utilities down through here

1819
02:49:16,120 --> 02:49:24,240
So we're trying to keep it up and get that separation from the from the intersection for the primary entrance you can't really

1820
02:49:30,750 --> 02:49:34,550
You can't I can see you want to say something you got to do it in the mic

1821
02:49:34,550 --> 02:49:38,890
Yeah, I guess my question is this is this is residential hard residential

1822
02:49:40,110 --> 02:49:41,370
This is hard commercial

1823
02:49:42,510 --> 02:49:48,250
There's a commercial road basically coming in right here. Why can't we utilize that coming in this route?

1824
02:49:48,250 --> 02:49:53,690
that would cut down on that traffic. Have you shoot straight across? There's a storm work on right there.

1825
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:55,230
So it's a bad spot.

1826
02:50:00,010 --> 02:50:03,630
I think guys, guys, one of the time he's speaking.

1827
02:50:04,130 --> 02:50:05,850
I'm just, I'm just, it just does it.

1828
02:50:06,450 --> 02:50:10,430
A little frustrating that wasn't playing into the system to delay out.

1829
02:50:10,670 --> 02:50:13,750
I mean, if it wasn't a system, a living facility would still have access coming off of there.

1830
02:50:14,190 --> 02:50:16,550
I mean, I think no matter what it's going to be, you're going to need access.

1831
02:50:17,070 --> 02:50:23,090
But the traffic wouldn't be as much, and then hopefully not, we don't know.

1832
02:50:24,210 --> 02:50:30,970
But if there's a way to just come off that main drag, to curl it in, I think that should

1833
02:50:30,970 --> 02:50:35,810
be looked at it as an option, as a thought process, that way your doctor, that's a hard cut

1834
02:50:35,810 --> 02:50:40,870
right into that resident, in front of my house, and starting to just know what's the coverage

1835
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:49,690
going to be like that there, as far as that monitor looks great at the front of that office

1836
02:50:49,690 --> 02:50:50,090
building.

1837
02:50:50,410 --> 02:50:53,010
Am I supposed to get the interest so that the entire time I move up the front door?

1838
02:50:56,530 --> 02:51:00,190
There's no way of covering up that interest.

1839
02:51:01,010 --> 02:51:01,550
That's going to be enough.

1840
02:51:01,650 --> 02:51:02,230
Let's be right there.

1841
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:04,070
Let's stop with it.

1842
02:51:09,410 --> 02:51:10,010
Thank you.

1843
02:51:13,500 --> 02:51:13,740
Next.

1844
02:51:17,200 --> 02:51:21,200
Wendell Harris, 1301, Monocracy, Crosting Parkway.

1845
02:51:21,580 --> 02:51:23,060
I'm a little girl, I'm living here.

1846
02:51:23,500 --> 02:51:26,960
I guess, I'm with everybody else about the traffic.

1847
02:51:27,800 --> 02:51:32,560
Guys, let him speak when, when we bought our house back in 2021,

1848
02:51:33,460 --> 02:51:36,520
we bought it in a high-visitly lot.

1849
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:43,060
I want to put up a privacy fence, so no, you know, this got to be like everybody else's houses.

1850
02:51:43,060 --> 02:51:50,060
You know, I can't tell you how many times they've had to fix the circle from the trucks and everything.

1851
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:58,120
There's, I know these seven school buses come just in the mornings, so everybody's been saying.

1852
02:51:58,260 --> 02:52:06,400
Pick the kids up, take them, drop them off, you got them coming, anybody ever seeing all the traffic comes in the sheets.

1853
02:52:07,260 --> 02:52:12,340
McDonald's, you got, you know, 180 can't even hardly handle the traffic sometimes.

1854
02:52:13,160 --> 02:52:22,420
17 can't handle the traffic sometimes now we're going to start adding more and more and then where are these people going to come from are they you know somebody from

1855
02:52:22,420 --> 02:52:30,360
Baltimore going to come to Broniswick just to go to a doctor you know or is it just you know if we got all these doctors buildings in

1856
02:52:30,360 --> 02:52:41,000
treasury you know they're always full I just don't understand you know I'm right there in that corner and I can see even though the medical

1857
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:45,500
The single bill is going to be up to street from me, but I still can see a living nightmare coming.

1858
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:50,940
And your kids are going to get hurt, or you're going to have accidents.

1859
02:52:51,540 --> 02:52:54,380
I mean, we can't get the roads taken care of when it's bad weather.

1860
02:52:55,680 --> 02:52:57,400
What's the thought process of that?

1861
02:52:58,040 --> 02:53:05,500
And then, last thing real quick is, is this going to be least out to all different office buildings,

1862
02:53:05,500 --> 02:53:12,000
You know to different doctors and all and if so who manages all that who's going to make sure that them doctors

1863
02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:17,980
We want to keep the property up to par the clients are going to be good tenants so and so forth

1864
02:53:17,980 --> 02:53:23,500
How do you thank you for your time? Thank you Paul

1865
02:53:30,320 --> 02:53:32,100
has been 1315 volunteer drive

1866
02:53:32,100 --> 02:53:38,520
I think what you folks have heard tonight from the community is several things one of them

1867
02:53:39,220 --> 02:53:41,040
concern about having a medical center.

1868
02:53:41,580 --> 02:53:47,920
I think there's a good growing opinion that, yeah, we need a medical center on this scale,

1869
02:53:48,530 --> 02:53:55,320
maybe not so much location, definitely not, and impacts their lives, impacts their pocket

1870
02:53:55,320 --> 02:54:01,640
book, impacts their resale value, most of all, impacts their safety, their kids' safety.

1871
02:54:03,080 --> 02:54:08,000
In the my line of work, we look at things that efficiency effectiveness and can do smartly.

1872
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:19,140
This is neither of these and the way things are being communicated to the Brunswick Crossing or Brunswick community and posting signs just posting signs is kind of archaic.

1873
02:54:19,320 --> 02:54:29,000
I think you guys can do better when it comes to posting things that impact our life that we should have a stay in this.

1874
02:54:29,720 --> 02:54:33,920
You know, we are the stakeholders and the shareholders here, right?

1875
02:54:34,200 --> 02:54:36,760
So, like I said, when the builders are gone, done and gone.

1876
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:38,480
Granted, people have got to make a dime.

1877
02:54:38,480 --> 02:54:41,660
I get this, but who's left holding the bag in the end?

1878
02:54:42,360 --> 02:54:43,100
Who does it impact?

1879
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:44,620
Who's lives does it impact?

1880
02:54:45,580 --> 02:54:49,160
I think you guys need to look how you're communicating.

1881
02:54:49,820 --> 02:54:54,520
Be more efficient, more effective, and more can do smartly on it.

1882
02:54:55,220 --> 02:54:57,700
Or else, it just ends up to be nothing but lip service.

1883
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:02,700
And then there's a trust factor, so I've got thanks.

1884
02:55:12,030 --> 02:55:13,970
Brandon Barna, 40 team, Will's Creek Drive.

1885
02:55:14,170 --> 02:55:15,030
I just have some questions.

1886
02:55:15,330 --> 02:55:16,870
Excuse me, sir, were you just up earlier?

1887
02:55:17,430 --> 02:55:19,310
I was, I have a question for the architect.

1888
02:55:19,310 --> 02:55:21,610
You stated if we have questions or we can come up.

1889
02:55:22,110 --> 02:55:26,390
From the architect standpoint, there's two items that I'd like to ask.

1890
02:55:27,530 --> 02:55:34,070
First off, is there any opportunity instead of this being a square,

1891
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:41,550
make this an L shape or maybe make this similar to like Aspen Ridge in Frederick.

1892
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:47,370
Since I'm already hearing that this is going to be a medical center, regardless of what we say here tonight.

1893
02:55:48,090 --> 02:55:58,010
I want to ask what options do we have with this committee and with the architect to discuss options other than a big box?

1894
02:55:58,010 --> 02:56:05,330
We've already stated that some people have said they want something like you see in Gathersburg with like the townhouses.

1895
02:56:05,650 --> 02:56:19,130
That's fine, that's one option, but what I'm asking is, instead of the box, can you make a U-shade, a C, an L, and still get the square footage that you want for

1896
02:56:19,130 --> 02:56:20,770
Frederick Primary Care Associates?

1897
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:26,390
I know it's not your standard bill, but it would solve a couple options.

1898
02:56:26,390 --> 02:56:32,350
It would solve the fact that the committee here is asking you to put up a wall and put up a berm.

1899
02:56:33,010 --> 02:56:40,830
You don't need a wall or a berm, you just need a whole bunch of trees if you're doing a U or an L.

1900
02:56:41,330 --> 02:56:50,850
And the other question that people have been asking, and this is something the city engineer needs to consider with pleasant development, is why can land or

1901
02:56:50,850 --> 02:56:58,590
Creek not be redone and widened to meet Potomac View Parkway as a two-lane road.

1902
02:56:58,830 --> 02:57:03,110
I understand why it owns that commercial property, not my problem.

1903
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:06,470
You want this project, the city wants this done right.

1904
02:57:07,010 --> 02:57:09,250
Everybody here said they want it done safely.

1905
02:57:10,090 --> 02:57:15,710
You need to widen the road and make it not quite an industrial parkway style road but a little

1906
02:57:15,710 --> 02:57:21,050
bit wider than what it is today, and instead of curving that road, you need to go straight.

1907
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:24,590
Land or Creek needs to go straight into Potomac View Parkway.

1908
02:57:25,230 --> 02:57:30,470
And right now, the only restriction to that is this commission putting rules on the

1909
02:57:30,470 --> 02:57:34,470
berm that was put in for setback for vice.

1910
02:57:35,530 --> 02:57:42,210
If the commission can adjust that, we can potentially talk about that road being completely

1911
02:57:42,210 --> 02:57:50,730
be restratin' from Knoxville, where McDonald's and everything is, bring that all the way into Potomacue Parkway.

1912
02:57:51,370 --> 02:57:55,550
I'm not a civil engineer, I'm not a road architect, I don't have the money to run the cement.

1913
02:57:55,730 --> 02:58:00,150
I'm just asking what options can be done other than just aesthetics.

1914
02:58:00,890 --> 02:58:06,030
We all said we don't want a box, we all said we don't want a two story building, but we're going to get something.

1915
02:58:07,050 --> 02:58:09,010
What can we get, thank you.

1916
02:58:15,450 --> 02:58:17,750
So I find, everything's clear here.

1917
02:58:17,950 --> 02:58:20,950
At this point, we're deciding on this site plan with this building, Cliprint.

1918
02:58:21,710 --> 02:58:23,390
So at this point, the footprint is set.

1919
02:58:24,150 --> 02:58:26,770
Again, the factors involved are many.

1920
02:58:27,270 --> 02:58:30,050
A lot of it is client-based and efficiency-based.

1921
02:58:30,170 --> 02:58:32,010
There's parking requirements, there's site requirements.

1922
02:58:32,490 --> 02:58:36,330
All of that goes into making this building this footprint, working on this site.

1923
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:40,200
Yes, please.

1924
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:44,350
So your name again?

1925
02:58:44,770 --> 02:58:47,670
Myle Wyatt, 1301, Shenandoah View Parkway.

1926
02:58:48,730 --> 02:58:51,610
Someone raised the issue of a traffic study.

1927
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:52,770
Was that ever done?

1928
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:56,150
Was a traffic study ever done?

1929
02:59:00,610 --> 02:59:02,310
Because I didn't hear an answer.

1930
02:59:02,750 --> 02:59:05,810
So if you have that, we would like to hear.

1931
02:59:06,130 --> 02:59:11,110
Because I think Marie brought up the trips and the cars and the this.

1932
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:13,630
So is there an average version?

1933
02:59:13,630 --> 02:59:14,150
Can you share?

1934
02:59:19,870 --> 02:59:28,170
I'm not a traffic engineer, but we did that one done and the site was originally, this

1935
02:59:28,170 --> 02:59:29,770
was a assisted living.

1936
02:59:30,010 --> 02:59:30,810
It was 100 units.

1937
02:59:31,490 --> 02:59:37,890
Over the last, when did we start the age restricted conversation over the last year, probably

1938
02:59:37,890 --> 02:59:38,610
a year and a half?

1939
02:59:38,730 --> 02:59:41,370
We've had multiple workshops to discuss this.

1940
02:59:41,370 --> 02:59:43,930
That's when we were talking about posting this fight

1941
02:59:44,390 --> 02:59:46,850
from the outset because we were actually discussing

1942
02:59:47,410 --> 02:59:48,530
where to put this.

1943
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:51,030
That's why we didn't post this exact state

1944
02:59:51,030 --> 02:59:52,870
because at the time, we weren't sure.

1945
02:59:53,810 --> 02:59:56,390
And we had multiple meetings to discuss

1946
02:59:56,390 --> 02:59:59,090
the exact concerns you guys were brought up.

1947
03:00:00,180 --> 03:00:08,340
And this pad essentially was 2.3 acres to put 100 assisted living units. It would be much, much

1948
03:00:08,340 --> 03:00:16,620
taller and a lot more parking than what's going on here. This is a much less intense use than

1949
03:00:16,620 --> 03:00:23,940
what was actually planned there originally. So we still have hopes and aspirations that we get

1950
03:00:23,940 --> 03:00:31,140
100 units out in the commercial area, where we have a lot more land across from the volunteer fire company.

1951
03:00:31,780 --> 03:00:38,820
We have six acres that we can give to somebody and do a nice assisted living facility there.

1952
03:00:38,960 --> 03:00:41,700
That's still something we're trying to define.

1953
03:00:42,600 --> 03:00:50,580
That's not off the table yet, but when this project was originally designed,

1954
03:00:50,580 --> 03:01:00,680
We absolutely had to do a traffic study and the site was ran with 100 assisted living units and it had a

1955
03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:11,500
general office and medical use up to 95,000 square feet, so this site was ran for both, you know, the assisted living in that field.

1956
03:01:12,620 --> 03:01:16,660
But didn't have the impact of all the wise and all the cooperation.

1957
03:01:16,920 --> 03:01:17,800
It absolutely did.

1958
03:01:18,580 --> 03:01:25,380
It has all kinds of use, who's actually much more than whatever be there to be honest with you.

1959
03:01:25,500 --> 03:01:29,500
That's even the hotel at the time and everything.

1960
03:01:29,640 --> 03:01:30,620
It's all in here.

1961
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:33,420
I mean, I've been on the show today.

1962
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:35,920
Like I said, I look at the end of the blood and my own blood.

1963
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:38,860
So I look at my neighbors.

1964
03:01:41,060 --> 03:01:45,800
I look at my neighbors, but I don't look at this, but like everyone says, right now,

1965
03:01:45,900 --> 03:01:52,040
if I'm coming home and there's Amazon, I'll put them in view and cars parked, I have

1966
03:01:52,040 --> 03:01:58,580
to literally stop and wait and I have the Amazon guy come to my house because he thought

1967
03:01:58,580 --> 03:02:00,700
I was honking at him and like flip me off.

1968
03:02:00,700 --> 03:02:11,160
No, we designed these to certain standards and this like Potomac view is actually a major collector road.

1969
03:02:11,420 --> 03:02:14,560
It's designed for a lot more traffic than what's on it today.

1970
03:02:15,320 --> 03:02:19,900
It's designed for, you know, a lot of the commercial Potomac partway.

1971
03:02:20,180 --> 03:02:25,360
It's designed to expand all the way down and then to the city to collect even more.

1972
03:02:26,060 --> 03:02:32,020
And a lot of it, I think, is some traffic calming that you guys are experiencing, right?

1973
03:02:32,340 --> 03:02:43,720
They purposely do some of that squeezing, so people don't fly down the road for safety purposes for kids crossing the road to actually do that intentionally for safety reasons.

1974
03:02:44,380 --> 03:02:54,100
And that's why some of the roads, so you're actually experiencing some of the things that are intentionally designed to slow people down.

1975
03:02:54,100 --> 03:02:55,760
They can handle a lot more.

1976
03:02:56,240 --> 03:03:06,280
In fact, all of the intersections, you know, because we have roundabouts, and all the intersections internally, all are at a level A service, the best that you can get.

1977
03:03:07,360 --> 03:03:20,600
So, yeah, that's how they did, they did an absolutely expensive study, and just for the record that there was not, there was 95,000 general commercial in that case.

1978
03:03:20,600 --> 03:03:26,000
And let him speak and 100 is just a living originally that was in this actual location.

1979
03:03:26,760 --> 03:03:33,620
We're only doing 20, we're only, this will be a much lower reduction of what the 100 is just a living would have.

1980
03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:41,480
In fact, this particular site, which will be moved out to the commercial, where hopefully they can handle more traffic.

1981
03:03:47,480 --> 03:03:56,040
So I've been reviewing past 30 minutes, the Frederick County, all the local regulations on

1982
03:03:56,040 --> 03:03:57,540
placard and sign postings.

1983
03:03:58,280 --> 03:04:02,720
All the guidelines I found specify that the signs should be posted directly on the site

1984
03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:03,600
rather than the perimeter.

1985
03:04:03,760 --> 03:04:05,960
You can put 100 on the perimeter, it doesn't matter, it's a fight.

1986
03:04:07,560 --> 03:04:22,760
Regarding, so a little confused by your response to one of the previous questions, day one when a sign had to be posted, notifying the public, notifying the citizenry of this neighborhood, was the sign posted on the site when it had to be posted on the site?

1987
03:04:23,220 --> 03:04:23,360
Yeah.

1988
03:04:23,660 --> 03:04:24,720
Don't care about the perimeter.

1989
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:26,560
Yes.

1990
03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:27,120
Yes. Yes.

1991
03:04:33,070 --> 03:04:37,990
The cabinet has been put in the battle, landfading and wife.

1992
03:04:38,830 --> 03:04:40,750
What is the post on the site?

1993
03:04:40,850 --> 03:04:42,130
My house is right for that property.

1994
03:04:42,770 --> 03:04:43,470
I've been here for eight years.

1995
03:04:43,730 --> 03:04:44,490
Nothing is ever been posted.

1996
03:04:44,990 --> 03:04:45,810
Actually, the third problem.

1997
03:04:45,910 --> 03:04:46,550
And you have a lot to do.

1998
03:04:46,590 --> 03:04:47,890
Just a minute or so.

1999
03:04:48,010 --> 03:04:49,090
I wouldn't mean my rights.

2000
03:04:49,310 --> 03:04:49,870
There's a lot of us.

2001
03:04:50,050 --> 03:04:51,430
There's a lot to do.

2002
03:04:51,650 --> 03:04:52,330
There's a lot to do.

2003
03:04:52,330 --> 03:04:52,610
There's a lot to do.

2004
03:04:53,530 --> 03:04:53,890
There's a lot to do.

2005
03:04:53,890 --> 03:04:54,070
There's a lot to do.

2006
03:04:54,910 --> 03:04:55,370
There's a lot to do.

2007
03:04:55,370 --> 03:04:55,710
There's a lot to do.

2008
03:04:56,050 --> 03:04:56,470
There's a lot to do.

2009
03:04:57,250 --> 03:04:58,710
There's a lot to do.

2010
03:05:01,050 --> 03:05:01,610
There's a lot to do.

2011
03:05:01,610 --> 03:05:07,050
the December meeting. We're talking about the meeting for this, when this was done right.

2012
03:05:07,170 --> 03:05:15,330
All meetings, like I said before, are posted on the perimeter of the property because that is the site.

2013
03:05:16,670 --> 03:05:21,630
Brunswick Crossing is 500 and some acres. That's the site. We put five signs out.

2014
03:05:22,530 --> 03:05:24,930
That's how it's been done for 15 years.

2015
03:05:33,350 --> 03:05:41,330
I have one very important comment, you all know Hudson the Dog, the Bernie's Mountain Dog.

2016
03:05:41,510 --> 03:05:49,930
He and I walked the perimeter of Brunswick twice a day, morning and night, and I have never seen a single sign.

2017
03:05:50,070 --> 03:05:51,010
That's number one.

2018
03:05:51,010 --> 03:06:05,790
Number two, I'd like to point out to your traffic survey that a nursing home where I can tell you a third of the people, or a half, don't own a vehicle.

2019
03:06:06,830 --> 03:06:13,370
And two, those that do, don't go out but once a week if they go out that often.

2020
03:06:13,370 --> 03:06:22,870
And it's not like a medical facility where they're turning over every 15 minutes a patient is in and out.

2021
03:06:23,230 --> 03:06:26,190
And it's a different traffic therapy, thank you.

2022
03:06:33,700 --> 03:06:35,400
Just kind of have a quick question.

2023
03:06:35,600 --> 03:06:35,840
Just a minute.

2024
03:06:36,080 --> 03:06:37,280
Please put it next.

2025
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:38,560
I just have a question.

2026
03:06:38,700 --> 03:06:39,560
How about the traffic study?

2027
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:46,860
For the traffic, like this entrance, so like here the houses, and they have a driveway.

2028
03:06:46,860 --> 03:06:53,020
So, the only way from the Shenandoah view parkway, they will go to their driveway to the

2029
03:06:53,020 --> 03:06:53,240
garage.

2030
03:06:53,740 --> 03:06:59,320
So, explain to me, please, if the people, not everybody is going to go here, and a lot

2031
03:06:59,320 --> 03:07:05,560
of people probably will come out from here, so how they are going to enter to their houses

2032
03:07:05,560 --> 03:07:11,530
if it's going to be difficult to get in and out, that's a big concern.

2033
03:07:12,970 --> 03:07:14,530
So how is it going to happen?

2034
03:07:14,530 --> 03:07:19,070
because these houses, they just have the front entrance,

2035
03:07:19,250 --> 03:07:21,870
they don't have the garage here, they garage in the back.

2036
03:07:22,570 --> 03:07:24,830
This is the villa houses.

2037
03:07:25,310 --> 03:07:27,850
So it's three or four houses together,

2038
03:07:28,350 --> 03:07:31,930
and we have our garages that drive it up front

2039
03:07:31,930 --> 03:07:33,310
on Shenandoah's new parkway.

2040
03:07:33,430 --> 03:07:35,230
So how are we gonna go in and out?

2041
03:07:36,030 --> 03:07:37,950
Plus, a lot of people have like, for example,

2042
03:07:38,010 --> 03:07:39,210
my dad has disability.

2043
03:07:39,770 --> 03:07:41,590
So how he's gonna go in and out,

2044
03:07:41,790 --> 03:07:44,230
and how he's gonna have a parking for his car

2045
03:07:44,230 --> 03:07:51,890
because we have three cars, and I'm living for work at 6 o'clock in the morning, so he cannot park his car on the driveway.

2046
03:07:52,350 --> 03:07:57,830
He has to park right here, so where is he going to park his car then?

2047
03:07:58,790 --> 03:08:03,710
And how he's going to work with the disability and everything? That's another issue, that's another thing.

2048
03:08:05,530 --> 03:08:06,150
Thank you.

2049
03:08:08,280 --> 03:08:11,080
Jeanette, Freeland, 1304, Pennington, Drive.

2050
03:08:11,820 --> 03:08:14,560
This is a question I'm not sure of who.

2051
03:08:15,080 --> 03:08:16,420
Is the property actually sold?

2052
03:08:17,300 --> 03:08:20,480
Wait, I hear someone, I hear the architect talking about their client.

2053
03:08:21,640 --> 03:08:22,620
So you have a client?

2054
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:25,600
Have they actually purchased this property?

2055
03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:27,480
No, we're smitten.

2056
03:08:28,280 --> 03:08:29,740
Okay, so it's not a done deal.

2057
03:08:31,080 --> 03:08:32,280
It can be changed.

2058
03:08:32,540 --> 03:08:36,920
It got changed in December of 2023 when none of us know about it,

2059
03:08:36,920 --> 03:08:43,800
because there was no signage and we're all here tonight because we have been

2060
03:08:43,800 --> 03:08:51,400
paying attention. We saw the signs, we saw the information and we're here. So I

2061
03:08:51,400 --> 03:08:59,640
think it's important that the commission considers all these comments tonight.

2062
03:09:00,480 --> 03:09:05,520
I would love to take a poll and ask each of you, do you live in Brunswick crossing?

2063
03:09:05,520 --> 03:09:06,780
Yes, I do.

2064
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:08,340
Do you live on Shannon Donut?

2065
03:09:08,640 --> 03:09:09,060
Do you park?

2066
03:09:09,400 --> 03:09:10,540
No, I don't live there.

2067
03:09:11,220 --> 03:09:19,280
But I have known that that was basically a commercial application within what is

2068
03:09:19,280 --> 03:09:20,700
largely a residential area.

2069
03:09:21,260 --> 03:09:25,540
That has been known to me since the time I signed the contract for that.

2070
03:09:25,820 --> 03:09:29,420
Well, again, when I bought my home six years ago, it was assisted living.

2071
03:09:30,040 --> 03:09:30,320
It was.

2072
03:09:31,140 --> 03:09:33,600
But the point is it was not residential.

2073
03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:36,600
So it was a commercial application.

2074
03:09:37,040 --> 03:09:39,180
But again, this is living as a little different.

2075
03:09:39,540 --> 03:09:41,700
But anyway, so that was my first question.

2076
03:09:41,980 --> 03:09:43,020
Is the property not sold?

2077
03:09:43,960 --> 03:09:44,840
It can be re-zoned.

2078
03:09:45,020 --> 03:09:46,520
I know you're getting frustrated, sir.

2079
03:09:47,120 --> 03:09:50,460
But this really affects everyone's livelihood.

2080
03:09:51,140 --> 03:09:55,520
And as many people have said, you guys walk away, you walk away,

2081
03:09:55,960 --> 03:09:57,120
and we're still living here.

2082
03:09:57,660 --> 03:10:00,320
And your home is your single largest.

2083
03:10:00,320 --> 03:10:02,760
I don't have to tell anyone this, but your single largest

2084
03:10:02,760 --> 03:10:20,000
I just purchased and you get to walk away and you get to walk away and we get stuck with this ugly medical facility, which I think we all would like a medical facility, but let's put it up by urgent care, not in the middle of our residential homes.

2085
03:10:29,900 --> 03:10:32,600
Any other input from the public?

2086
03:10:33,520 --> 03:10:39,070
I think they beat it away to get it there.

2087
03:10:42,110 --> 03:10:45,750
I work from home, so things like atmosphere is coming in and out.

2088
03:10:47,050 --> 03:10:50,610
It's hard, man, if I've got a lot of noise and I try to hope business meetings,

2089
03:10:51,330 --> 03:10:53,690
everyone works from home, now the work has changed in 2020.

2090
03:10:54,350 --> 03:10:57,770
We moved in in 2020, kind of have certain expectations, so thank you.

2091
03:11:02,100 --> 03:11:02,500
Julie.

2092
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:04,280
Hi,

2093
03:11:07,980 --> 03:11:13,680
I would just now that we're done with the public comment, I would just like to thank

2094
03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:18,740
you all for coming out. I think that some of the concerns that you raised tonight are

2095
03:11:18,740 --> 03:11:24,000
very, of course, they're very real. You live there, I live in Brunswick as well, not

2096
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:32,380
Brunswick Crossing, but I live in Brunswick. So I really appreciate your input. That is

2097
03:11:32,380 --> 03:11:38,860
This is where you get started, right, and being involved, this is how that happens.

2098
03:11:39,680 --> 03:11:52,420
My statement earlier was that the use of this property was decided in December, it could be a medical center.

2099
03:11:53,240 --> 03:12:01,520
I didn't say it had to be this medical center, but anyways, now it's time for

2100
03:12:01,520 --> 03:12:10,140
the commission to have their discussion about this and make their decision, but I would like to thank everybody for coming out.

2101
03:12:10,340 --> 03:12:10,660
Thank you.

2102
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:18,760
All right, my fellow commissioners.

2103
03:12:22,620 --> 03:12:26,500
But I was also concerned about the traffic thing.

2104
03:12:26,660 --> 03:12:29,820
I mean, when people asked if there have been a traffic study done, I heard crickets.

2105
03:12:30,680 --> 03:12:35,520
And when people heard asked about the number of visits the facility was going to require, I also heard crickets.

2106
03:12:36,820 --> 03:12:44,160
And while people are often concerned about traffic and not necessarily all of that is justified,

2107
03:12:44,600 --> 03:12:48,320
we should certainly have numbers to back up any position on it one way or the other.

2108
03:12:49,480 --> 03:12:53,860
And if the study is, as he said, for an assisted living facility,

2109
03:12:54,300 --> 03:12:57,660
I would suspect that has a very different traffic pattern than the medical center.

2110
03:12:57,900 --> 03:13:02,880
I live next to the current medical center, so it's fairly busy even for a small building.

2111
03:13:03,460 --> 03:13:14,620
We don't have too much trouble with it, but it is busier, and it's just that people in the system living generally don't drive, and the people who work there generally don't leave.

2112
03:13:16,620 --> 03:13:22,260
So I would be concerned that that traffic study is not terribly relevant to the area in question.

2113
03:13:23,500 --> 03:13:27,900
Has any been consideration been given to widening the road in that vicinity?

2114
03:13:27,900 --> 03:13:28,900
No,

2115
03:13:36,110 --> 03:13:38,810
I mean, consideration specifically, no, not widening.

2116
03:13:38,850 --> 03:13:48,750
This is a major collector road, and it's been studied to have, you know, a lot more traffic actually than this would come close to providing.

2117
03:13:49,510 --> 03:13:58,930
I would agree if you assisted living is less intense use, but this site was designed to have a lot more assisted living.

2118
03:13:58,930 --> 03:14:04,670
And this is a lot less of the medical use, so it actually offsets it.

2119
03:14:06,170 --> 03:14:11,770
Because only because there was so many assisted living units that we were trying to put on this height.

2120
03:14:11,990 --> 03:14:22,130
And now we're only putting 20,000 square foot of office when this originally had 100 assisted living in over 95,000 medical in general office.

2121
03:14:22,550 --> 03:14:27,190
That's the sign, so it actually offsets a little, you know.

2122
03:14:27,190 --> 03:14:34,650
So you might be right, I would be happier if we had solid numbers to back that up rather than what's essentially an estimate.

2123
03:14:35,470 --> 03:14:46,350
Well, piggyback and off that, could we take the plan, the traffic study you have then and update that for the actual envisioned application rather than the assisted living?

2124
03:14:49,730 --> 03:14:55,350
I think it'd be more applicable to do a new micro study of that area.

2125
03:14:55,350 --> 03:14:58,130
Yeah, that original traffic study.

2126
03:14:58,350 --> 03:14:58,930
Yeah, I don't know.

2127
03:14:59,130 --> 03:14:59,570
I don't know.

2128
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:27,480
I'm about to be honest with you, Dan, only because of how they are planning for all the future stuff that is currently approved to be in here. So I would have to ask the question. I'm just looking at what they originally had in here. And they had 95,000 general office of medical in the mix. And they had 100% of the living units in the mix. Beyond that, there's a hundred other, you know, all the single families.

2129
03:15:28,740 --> 03:15:32,180
There's, like, all the school stuff, everything's in here.

2130
03:15:32,380 --> 03:15:38,020
So there's townhomes, things like, there's adult housing, there's hotels.

2131
03:15:38,360 --> 03:15:40,900
I mean, this will use these all kinds of things, the shopping centers.

2132
03:15:41,220 --> 03:15:46,240
So it's kind of a mix, but I don't know how they, I just know that that was only.

2133
03:15:46,480 --> 03:15:48,540
The traffic engineer was originally that was in there, so.

2134
03:15:48,700 --> 03:15:52,780
The traffic engineer would be able to assess this site with this proposed use,

2135
03:15:52,780 --> 03:15:59,020
this proposed square footage, and assess the surrounding roads and determine if they're adequate.

2136
03:15:59,740 --> 03:16:02,460
Yes, I've asked that question and I had to look at it today.

2137
03:16:03,460 --> 03:16:07,000
I think that perspective of formal report on it is like marited.

2138
03:16:07,400 --> 03:16:12,440
Yeah, well, I mean, the body of input, I think, was legit.

2139
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:18,020
I mean, there's clearly going to be a traffic impact and a non-trivial one.

2140
03:16:18,020 --> 03:16:20,740
And I think it would be who of us to get a better,

2141
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:26,760
to Andy's point, a better fix on what it actually means that use that site there.

2142
03:16:28,440 --> 03:16:30,980
And if we're not talking about widening the road in general,

2143
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:33,500
what about turn lanes and the intersection question?

2144
03:16:35,000 --> 03:16:39,660
Yeah, that's a, that's beyond my level of expertise that I'd have to

2145
03:16:39,660 --> 03:16:42,260
defer to the traffic, I guess.

2146
03:16:42,600 --> 03:16:42,760
Okay.

2147
03:16:42,760 --> 03:16:47,300
with the, you're not the applicant, right?

2148
03:16:47,860 --> 03:16:48,260
No, sir.

2149
03:16:48,600 --> 03:16:48,820
Okay.

2150
03:16:49,480 --> 03:16:50,700
So I'm asked a question.

2151
03:16:50,840 --> 03:16:51,480
You can't answer.

2152
03:16:51,760 --> 03:16:52,100
Sorry.

2153
03:16:52,400 --> 03:17:02,300
But would the applicant be agreeable to consider the comments from tonight and developing their

2154
03:17:02,300 --> 03:17:02,640
plan?

2155
03:17:04,980 --> 03:17:08,920
You'd have to, I'd have to defer to the applicant, but I'm sure they would.

2156
03:17:20,290 --> 03:17:20,950
I'm

2157
03:17:23,450 --> 03:17:28,310
sorry for the record Bruce Dean, I'm an attorney with a law firm of McCurdy Dean and

2158
03:17:28,310 --> 03:17:31,630
Gratitor in Frederick representing Frederick Primary Care Associates.

2159
03:17:34,170 --> 03:17:41,950
Since it seems to be the desire of the planning commission to gain additional information,

2160
03:17:41,950 --> 03:17:48,710
in at least regarding traffic, I would say that the applicant would be willing to have

2161
03:17:48,710 --> 03:17:51,750
this matter continued to a further hearing.

2162
03:17:52,630 --> 03:17:59,730
We can look at the traffic more specifically, I'm not at all authorized to design the

2163
03:17:59,730 --> 03:18:05,550
building a different way, I'm an attorney, I didn't go to architecture school, but even

2164
03:18:05,550 --> 03:18:07,110
our architect can't answer that.

2165
03:18:07,110 --> 03:18:13,590
But the doctors who own Frederick primary care have to answer whether they be willing

2166
03:18:13,590 --> 03:18:14,910
to make changes to the building or not.

2167
03:18:15,690 --> 03:18:21,530
But certainly, I have on page 19 of notes from all the comments we've heard tonight.

2168
03:18:23,530 --> 03:18:26,210
And I write pretty small, so it's a lot of notes.

2169
03:18:27,190 --> 03:18:31,150
So yeah, we will consider all the comments that were made.

2170
03:18:31,150 --> 03:18:39,670
But as Dan said, it was approved under the traffic study, if it was approved under the traffic

2171
03:18:39,670 --> 03:18:45,830
study for 95,000 square feet of medical and other general office, I can promise you

2172
03:18:46,330 --> 03:18:54,790
that a further traffic study is going to show as Dan testified to you that there's less

2173
03:18:54,790 --> 03:18:56,690
of an impact than was already studied.

2174
03:18:56,690 --> 03:19:03,170
But if you need a traffic engineer to put that on traffic engineer letterhead, we can we can certainly do that for you.

2175
03:19:04,010 --> 03:19:17,650
And like I said, I can certainly go back to my client and provide them with my insights that we're gained from this meeting tonight and see if there's anything that they can do or are willing to do to modify the site plan.

2176
03:19:17,650 --> 03:19:27,230
But Bruce, I would like for this, for the applicant to view this, why it looks the whole comprehensive thing here.

2177
03:19:28,110 --> 03:19:29,850
Parking and all the other comments.

2178
03:19:30,450 --> 03:19:33,530
I'm not saying that there will be changes or won't be changes.

2179
03:19:33,870 --> 03:19:40,170
But I think that the applicant wants it also to be a good neighbor, okay?

2180
03:19:40,730 --> 03:19:46,110
So not to say you can't do your project but maybe some modification of the project.

2181
03:19:46,630 --> 03:19:50,050
with the site plan would be beneficial to everyone.

2182
03:19:50,550 --> 03:19:54,030
And as usual, Bruce, you are as smooth as they come, thank you.

2183
03:19:55,410 --> 03:20:01,650
Well, I can tell you that the doctors who in February primary care says he has practiced throughout

2184
03:20:01,650 --> 03:20:06,850
Frederick County and want very much to have a larger presence here in Brunswick than they do today.

2185
03:20:07,270 --> 03:20:12,170
And so certainly, they will be willing to listen.

2186
03:20:13,310 --> 03:20:15,990
So that's all I can promise you is that they will

2187
03:20:15,990 --> 03:20:20,050
They will listen to me, but they are the decision-makers as to what changes they'll make.

2188
03:20:20,950 --> 03:20:23,390
So we're looking at a continuum, so we're not.

2189
03:20:24,630 --> 03:20:25,250
We are.

2190
03:20:25,750 --> 03:20:28,210
So, how do we need to structure that, Bruce?

2191
03:20:29,610 --> 03:20:30,230
Which Bruce?

2192
03:20:30,850 --> 03:20:31,750
No, this one is sorry.

2193
03:20:32,610 --> 03:20:34,130
Yeah, say Bruce and everybody answers.

2194
03:20:34,490 --> 03:20:41,770
So, you just basically moved to have a continuance for up to a certain period of time.

2195
03:20:41,770 --> 03:21:11,750
I would ask, you know, the applicant, as well as the architect, you know, how much time do you think you need to come up with a better design, do the traffic study, look at the architecture of the building, and make and do an analysis of, of no knock on my bottle of paper, do an analysis of the site to come up with something that is a better fit, is that going to take 60 days, 90 days, I mean, how much time would you need?

2196
03:21:14,660 --> 03:21:19,080
Mr. Engineer, I'm looking at the architect and the engineer I'm saying it's probably 60 days.

2197
03:21:20,660 --> 03:21:25,500
So you would want to structure it, we'll continue it so we're up to 60 days.

2198
03:21:26,960 --> 03:21:36,760
And then I would spell out some of the things that Carol said is do a comprehensive review of all the comments that have been put out here tonight by the citizens.

2199
03:21:36,760 --> 03:21:49,660
I mean, we want to make sure that at the end of the day, it's not just—they're going to have the biggest impact because of where the proximity, but it's a—it's a authority for the whole community, so.

2200
03:21:49,980 --> 03:22:00,640
It is. So, we're talking of continuance for up to 60 days to do an updated traffic study that deals with this specific application on this specific site.

2201
03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:06,180
as well as address other architectural design issues and site design and everything.

2202
03:22:07,900 --> 03:22:12,740
So you guys reckon that's a that's a window you can live within.

2203
03:22:23,180 --> 03:22:28,680
It's a one month or we in may exactly six days you have a which meeting would we be

2204
03:22:28,680 --> 03:22:35,000
talking about this for clarity you would be looking at the July 22nd planning commission

2205
03:22:35,000 --> 03:22:43,950
meeting we we actually need one one more further than that August 26th yes okay so it's

2206
03:22:43,950 --> 03:22:44,990
It's going to be up to 90 days.

2207
03:22:45,790 --> 03:22:48,810
Can we confirm that, too?

2208
03:22:48,890 --> 03:22:51,530
I'd just like to speak with other architects and engineers

2209
03:22:51,530 --> 03:22:53,410
and make sure that everyone's got to work with that.

2210
03:22:53,590 --> 03:22:54,850
You know, the summers are getting busy.

2211
03:22:55,290 --> 03:22:58,030
Well, and if something happens that you can't do it that time,

2212
03:22:58,130 --> 03:22:59,470
we can always push it 30 days.

2213
03:22:59,850 --> 03:23:00,090
Yes, sir.

2214
03:23:00,270 --> 03:23:02,470
We'll come back and request a push.

2215
03:23:02,910 --> 03:23:03,030
Okay.

2216
03:23:03,510 --> 03:23:05,850
So we're going to stick with the 60, then, for the 90, right?

2217
03:23:05,950 --> 03:23:06,730
90, yes, sir.

2218
03:23:07,030 --> 03:23:09,790
Which will be the August 26, 2024 meeting.

2219
03:23:10,370 --> 03:23:12,090
Can you all put that on your calendars, please?

2220
03:23:12,090 --> 03:23:21,890
I assume I assume August, August the 26th and at 6 p.m. in this same spot.

2221
03:23:23,130 --> 03:23:25,190
And we're taking attendance at the.

2222
03:23:25,190 --> 03:23:32,930
2024 and the site will be posted with that new date and the site within 30 days prior.

2223
03:23:33,770 --> 03:23:38,950
There'll be a sign back on the site right at him.

2224
03:23:51,230 --> 03:24:00,570
We can hear you on the recording from the back of the room and we can't we can't really open it back up the public comment at this point.

2225
03:24:12,210 --> 03:24:16,790
I can't, I can't tell you why that site was selected, that's what the applicant can

2226
03:24:16,790 --> 03:24:19,950
propose. Anything can be changed.

2227
03:24:20,390 --> 03:24:24,850
That's what we want to be at since it's over here, we don't consider it.

2228
03:24:25,230 --> 03:24:27,250
That's not our job.

2229
03:24:27,810 --> 03:24:36,230
It's not, yeah, it's not, we present what comes to us, we don't go out and solicit it when

2230
03:24:36,230 --> 03:24:42,350
And the application comes in, we've processed it based on all the rules and procedures that we have to process.

2231
03:24:44,530 --> 03:24:46,850
We're done with this conversation.

2232
03:24:47,090 --> 03:24:50,490
It's up here for the board to have a motion.

2233
03:24:50,750 --> 03:24:52,990
Can we have a motion for the continuance?

2234
03:24:54,050 --> 03:25:04,210
I will move that we continue this matter until the August 26th meeting so that we can review the issue is brought up at this session,

2235
03:25:04,210 --> 03:25:16,550
including parking, strike review and architecture and traffic and traffic yeah it's screening me any not on our table

2236
03:25:17,250 --> 03:25:30,570
can we have a second second for me no we're done man all in favor all right I posed motion continue

2237
03:25:35,150 --> 03:25:36,550
Yeah.

2238
03:25:37,530 --> 03:25:38,150
I'm cheering.

2239
03:25:42,470 --> 03:25:45,270
August 26th.

2240
03:25:45,270 --> 03:25:45,690
August 26th.