[0:08] That's a good question though.
[0:10] I don't think I'm going
[0:11] to go directly into it.
[0:13] We can bring it up
[0:14] through the comments.
[0:16] Oh, geez. Good evening.
[0:17] I would like to call this
[0:18] meeting to order at 7 p.m.
[0:20] Welcome to the August 24th
[0:21] City of Burlingame Planning
[0:23] Commission meeting.
[0:25] For all in attendance today,
[0:26] please note that this
[0:27] Planning Commission meeting is
[0:28] being held in person and using
[0:30] the Zoom webinar format.
[0:32] Please note that we are not
[0:33] accepting remote public comment
[0:34] during commission meetings.
[0:36] Agenda item two, roll call.
[0:38] Commission should note that all
[0:39] members of the commission are
[0:40] present this evening.
[0:43] Agenda item three, report
[0:44] of remote participation.
[0:46] There are no commissioners
[0:47] participating remotely.
[0:49] Agenda item four, review
[0:51] of agenda.
[0:53] Staff, are there any other
[0:54] changes to the agenda?
[0:55] No.
[0:56] Thank you.
[0:58] Are there any recusals?
[1:00] No.
[1:01] Okay.
[1:03] Agenda item five, public
[1:04] comments non-agenda.
[1:05] Members of the public may speak
[1:07] about any item not
[1:08] on the agenda.
[1:10] Members of the public wishing
[1:11] to suggest an item
[1:12] for a future Planning
[1:14] Commission agenda may do so
[1:15] during this public comment
[1:16] period.
[1:17] The Ralph Brown Act, the state
[1:18] local agency open meeting law,
[1:19] prohibits the Planning
[1:20] Commission from acting
[1:21] on any matter that is not
[1:23] on the agenda.
[1:24] Speakers are limited
[1:25] to three minutes each.
[1:26] Do we have any members
[1:27] of the public attending
[1:28] in person who wish to speak
[1:30] on any item that is not
[1:31] on our agenda?
[1:34] Seeing none.
[1:36] Next item is agenda item six,
[1:37] consent calendar.
[1:40] Items on the consent calendar
[1:41] are considered
[1:42] to be routine.
[1:43] They're acted on simultaneously
[1:44] unless separate discussion and
[1:46] or action is required
[1:47] by the applicant, a member
[1:48] of the public,
[1:50] or a commissioner prior
[1:51] to the time the commission
[1:52] votes on the motion
[1:53] to adopt.
[1:54] This evening, we have one item
[1:55] on the consent calendar, the
[1:57] August 10th Planning
[1:59] Commission meeting minutes.
[2:00] Any member of the public or
[2:02] Planning Commission like
[2:03] to pull this item
[2:04] for discussion?
[2:08] Okay.
[2:09] Seeing none.
[2:10] Any motions?
[2:13] Yeah, I'll move
[2:14] to approve the minutes from
[2:16] August 10th, 2026.
[2:24] Did we get a second?
[2:25] Second that.
[2:28] I have a motion by
[2:29] Commissioner Pfaff, seconded
[2:30] by Commissioner Schmid.
[2:31] Will you please have a roll
[2:32] call vote?
[2:36] Commissioner Horan?
[2:37] Aye.
[2:38] Commissioner Lowenthal?
[2:39] Aye.
[2:41] Commissioner Pfaff?
[2:42] Aye.
[2:43] Vice Chair Schmid?
[2:44] Aye.
[2:45] Chair Shores?
[2:46] Aye.
[2:49] Motion passes 5-0-0-0.
[2:59] Let's see.
[3:00] Agenda item 7, action items.
[3:02] We have one item
[3:03] on the agenda today, a
[3:04] Conditional Use Permit at 890
[3:06] Cowan Road.
[3:08] If you are the applicant and
[3:09] are attending the meeting via
[3:10] Zoom, please raise your hand so
[3:11] that we may be prepared
[3:13] for you to speak
[3:14] at the appropriate time.
[3:15] If possible,
[3:16] we ask that you also turn
[3:18] on your video at that time.
[3:19] Are any commissioners not able
[3:20] to visit the project site?
[3:22] Or do any commissioners wish to
[3:23] note any ex parte
[3:24] communications regarding this
[3:25] project?
[3:27] I would just like to say,
[3:28] being completely honest,
[3:30] I drove by on the freeway.
[3:32] But I'm somewhat familiar
[3:34] because I do some work
[3:35] out there, so drive by.
[3:38] Thank you.
[3:41] Let the record note that all
[3:42] commissioners have more or less
[3:43] visited the project site.
[3:45] Can we hear the staff report,
[3:47] please?
[3:48] Yes.
[3:49] Good evening, commissioners.
[3:56] This subject property is zoned
[3:58] as I.I. and is designated as
[4:00] I.I. under the general plan.
[4:01] It is located
[4:03] on the northeast corner of
[4:04] Gilbreth and Cowan Road and is
[4:06] on a 2.108 acre site.
[4:09] Currently, there is an existing
[4:10] multi-tenant commercial
[4:12] building with suites A
[4:14] through J and 105 surface
[4:17] parking spaces are provided.
[4:18] Surrounding uses include a
[4:21] hotel to the north, Highway
[4:23] 101 to the west,
[4:24] industrial and office uses
[4:26] to the east and south, and
[4:28] within the existing commercial
[4:30] building, there is a variety
[4:31] of office and warehouse uses.
[4:37] Some brief history
[4:38] on this project.
[4:40] In June 2024, a minor use
[4:41] permit was approved
[4:43] for the existing dance studio
[4:45] on site.
[4:46] And at that time, it was
[4:48] categorized as small scale
[4:49] commercial recreation.
[4:50] However, in April
[4:52] of this year, as you know,
[4:53] the zoning code was updated.
[4:55] Under this update, small scale
[4:56] and large scale commercial
[4:58] recreation were redefined based
[5:00] on square footage.
[5:02] Thus, with this expansion
[5:03] of the dance studio totaling
[5:05] to an amount of 9,100 square
[5:07] feet, it is now categorized as
[5:09] large scale commercial
[5:10] recreation, which requires a
[5:12] conditional use permit in the
[5:14] I.I. zoning district.
[5:20] Therefore, the applicant is
[5:21] requesting a conditional use
[5:22] permit to expand
[5:24] from the existing dance studio,
[5:25] which occupies suite B
[5:26] to the adjacent suite A.
[5:32] Here's the proposed site plan.
[5:37] And then here is the existing
[5:38] and proposed floor plan.
[5:41] The applicant is only proposing
[5:42] to do some demolition of walls
[5:44] inside the studio and create
[5:46] some new partition walls to
[5:48] separate new dance studios
[5:50] inside.
[5:54] The hours of the dance studio
[5:55] are from 4 to 9 p.m. Monday
[5:57] through Friday and 9 a.m. to 3
[5:59] p.m. on Saturdays.
[6:04] Staff has calculated the parking
[6:05] requirements based on the
[6:06] existing uses and finds that
[6:08] there isn't actually an excess
[6:09] of parking spaces provided of
[6:11] 19.
[6:13] Therefore, this project meets
[6:14] the off-street parking
[6:16] requirements.
[6:24] To determine compatibility
[6:25] of the expansion
[6:27] of the dance studio,
[6:28] you can see the CUP findings
[6:30] on this slide.
[6:32] And ultimately, STOT has found
[6:33] that this use is compatible and
[6:35] meets these findings
[6:36] for the following reasons.
[6:37] For one,
[6:40] under the general plan,
[6:41] complementary commercial
[6:42] businesses, including indoor
[6:43] recreation facilities such as
[6:45] this dance studio,
[6:47] are permitted.
[6:48] In addition, there are nearby
[6:49] commercial uses that exist
[6:51] in the area, and there are uses
[6:53] that serve youth such as an
[6:54] existing Chinese school and a
[6:56] math tutoring center.
[6:58] The dance classes at this dance
[7:00] studio are also provided
[7:02] primarily outside of hours
[7:04] of adjacent businesses,
[7:05] so they will not conflict.
[7:06] There are also no nearby heavy
[7:08] industrial uses that are
[7:10] harmful, and as mentioned
[7:11] before,
[7:13] adequate parking is provided.
[7:17] This project is categorically
[7:18] exempt from CEQA per Section
[7:20] 15301 and Section 15303.
[7:28] Lastly, staff recommends
[7:30] approval of this CUP
[7:32] with the following conditions
[7:33] of approval.
[7:34] That dance classes are held
[7:36] indoors only,
[7:37] that the hours are limited
[7:38] to what was stated before,
[7:40] that the number of students,
[7:42] employees,
[7:43] and parents and guardians are
[7:44] limited,
[7:45] and that the noise requirements
[7:47] in the Burlingame Municipal
[7:49] Code are complied with.
[7:55] Staff recommends that the
[7:56] Commission adopt a resolution
[7:57] approving the CUP
[7:59] for the expansion
[8:01] of the dance studio.
[8:02] Staff is open to questions
[8:03] at this time. Thank you.
[8:07] Thank you. Any questions
[8:08] for staff?
[8:12] Okay. I will open the public
[8:13] hearing.
[8:15] Will the applicant please come
[8:16] forward and state your name and
[8:17] anything else you'd like
[8:18] to add about your project?
[8:34] Good evening everyone. Can you
[8:35] guys hear me and see me?
[8:37] I'm joining via Zoom. My name
[8:39] is Michael Holmes.
[8:41] We can see you.
[8:42] Okay, great.
[8:44] No, I think that was a
[8:48] a well stated
[8:49] in terms of a good summary
[8:50] of our proposed project. So
[8:53] we've been operating
[8:54] in this location since 2024.
[8:56] It's a great location
[9:00] for our business. And I kind of
[9:05] just foresee our proposal kind
[9:07] of aligning with the, you know,
[9:09] existing uses in the area. So I
[9:10] don't have much
[9:14] to add other than that.
[9:19] Thank you. Any questions
[9:20] for the applicant?
[9:23] Okay, thank you.
[9:26] Do we have any members of the
[9:27] public attending
[9:28] in person who wish to speak
[9:29] on this item?
[9:30] Please note speakers are
[9:31] limited to three
[9:32] minutes each. Seeing none. I
[9:35] will close the public hearing.
[9:37] Any comments?
[9:41] I'll go. The use is similar.
[9:42] No real changes,
[9:43] just an expansion. And I don't
[9:45] see any ask that is
[9:47] above normal. So I think we
[9:48] should forward. I'll make a
[9:50] motion that we approve this
[9:54] project per the conditions of
[9:55] the resolution.
[10:02] I'll second that.
[10:05] Okay. I have a motion by
[10:10] Commissioner Schmid, seconded
[10:12] by Commissioner Lowenthal. Any
[10:13] discussion on the motion?
[10:15] Okay. Maybe please have a roll
[10:16] call vote. Commissioner Horan?
[10:18] Aye. Commissioner Lowenthal?
[10:21] Aye. Commissioner Pfaff?
[10:23] Aye. Vice Chair Schmid?
[10:25] Aye. Chair Shores?
[10:27] Aye. Motion passes 5-0-0-0.
[10:34] An action by the Planning
[10:36] Commission is appealable
[10:37] to the City Council within 10
[10:38] days of the Planning
[10:39] Commission's action.
[10:40] If the Planning Commission's
[10:41] action has not been appealed or
[10:42] called up for review by the
[10:43] City Council by 5 p.m.
[10:44] on the 10th day,
[10:45] the action becomes final.
[10:46] In order to be effective,
[10:47] appeals must be in writing and
[10:48] must be accompanied
[10:49] by an appeal fee as provided
[10:50] in the Master Fee Schedule.
[10:59] Next item is an Agenda Item
[11:01] 8, Study Session. Item 8A,
[11:05] Major Design Review at 8
[11:06] Channing Road.
[11:09] This item is being brought
[11:10] to the Commission as a study
[11:11] item for feedback and comments
[11:12] from the Commission.
[11:14] After comments, the applicant
[11:15] would bring the project back
[11:16] when they're ready,
[11:17] and thus no motions are
[11:18] required at the conclusion
[11:19] of the item.
[11:21] Were any Commissioners not able
[11:22] to visit the project site,
[11:23] or do any Commissioners wish to
[11:24] note any ex parte communication
[11:25] regarding this project?
[11:30] Okay. Let the record note that
[11:32] all Commissioners present have
[11:33] visited the project site.
[11:34] Can we hear the staff report,
[11:35] please?
[11:38] Good evening. Good evening,
[11:39] Commissioners.
[11:41] This application is for major
[11:43] design review and special
[11:44] permit for plate height for a
[11:46] first floor addition and new
[11:48] second story with a detached
[11:50] one-car garage.
[11:52] The existing property is a
[11:55] one-story, 1600 single unit
[12:02] dwelling on a 4,899-square-foot
[12:05] lot zoned R1.
[12:08] The applicant proposes
[12:12] to demolish a portion
[12:13] of the first floor and add 630
[12:14] square feet and a new second
[12:17] floor that totals 652 square
[12:19] feet. A total of 2,606 square
[12:22] feet is proposed, where 2,750
[12:28] square feet is the maximum
[12:29] allowed.
[12:37] The project also proposes
[12:38] to increase the plate height
[12:39] to 9 feet, where 8 feet 6
[12:41] inches is the maximum allowed
[12:42] for the second floor. Two
[12:45] parking spaces are required.
[12:46] One covered parking space is
[12:48] provided in the garage and one
[12:49] uncovered parking space is
[12:52] provided in the driveway.
[13:04] The project is subject to seven
[13:05] major design review findings
[13:07] and four special permit
[13:08] findings.
[13:10] Items for the Commission
[13:11] to consider include consistency
[13:12] with the design guidelines,
[13:13] compatibility
[13:15] with architectural style
[13:17] of the existing character,
[13:20] respect for the parking garage
[13:22] patterns, architectural style
[13:25] and consistency
[13:27] for the mass and bulk interface
[13:28] of adjacent properties,
[13:29] landscaping, and compatibility
[13:32] with the architectural style
[13:33] and character.
[13:37] Special permit findings include
[13:38] that the project addressed the
[13:39] mass and scale that are
[13:40] consistent
[13:41] with the existing structure,
[13:43] roof line, elevations,
[13:45] and consistent to the
[13:46] residential design guidelines.
[13:51] The residential design
[13:52] guidebook has nine components.
[13:54] Component number five addresses
[13:55] mass, bulk, and scale. The
[13:57] project should demonstrate mass
[13:59] and bulk to harmonize with the
[14:01] existing architecture and
[14:03] respect to the primary and
[14:05] secondary elements.
[14:13] While staff finds the proposed
[14:14] addition is compatible
[14:15] with the zoning regulations,
[14:16] staff has concerns
[14:18] with the integration
[14:19] of the house in regards
[14:20] to the mass, bulk, and scale.
[14:23] Staff would request the
[14:24] Planning Commission provide the
[14:25] applicant input regarding the
[14:26] project as it relates
[14:27] to the applicable criteria for
[14:28] design review and special
[14:30] permit application.
[14:31] I'm available for questions
[14:33] from staff. Thank you.
[14:37] Questions for staff? Sorry.
[14:39] Chair, I'd just also like
[14:40] to point out
[14:41] we did receive one piece
[14:42] of public correspondence from
[14:43] the neighbor and that was
[14:45] distributed to the Planning
[14:46] Commission before the meeting.
[14:50] Thank you. Question
[14:52] for staff? It's okay. I didn't
[14:54] see it, but that's okay.
[14:56] I'll just wing it.
[14:59] Yeah. So you should have
[15:04] received it via email. I
[15:06] probably did. I just didn't
[15:08] remember to look.
[15:11] If the neighbor does not speak
[15:13] under public comment,
[15:14] I could go through the points
[15:16] in the letter so the applicant
[15:17] is aware of them and the
[15:19] applicant as well. Thank you.
[15:24] Any other questions
[15:25] for staff? Okay.
[15:29] I'll open the public hearing.
[15:31] Will the applicant please come
[15:32] forward and state your name and
[15:33] anything else you'd like
[15:34] to add about your project?
[15:55] Hi, dear commissioners. I am
[15:56] the owner of 8 Channing. I just want
[15:58] to say a few words
[16:00] about my house.
[16:01] The house was built in 1917.
[16:04] It was over 110 years old and
[16:06] we did remodeling
[16:09] on the main house but not
[16:11] on the cottage and the garage.
[16:12] They are really
[16:15] in poor condition. My daughter
[16:17] lived in the cottage. The
[16:18] cottage is cold
[16:20] in wintertime and hot
[16:22] in summertime because
[16:23] of the insulation.
[16:25] There's no electricity cord and
[16:26] we had to use electricity cord
[16:28] from the main house
[16:32] to get electricity. So it's a
[16:34] fire hazard problem to us.
[16:37] That's the main reason we want
[16:39] to rebuild the cottage and the
[16:41] garage. Thank you
[16:43] for your consideration.
[16:47] Thank you.
[17:03] Can we have the architect,
[17:04] Ken? Yes, I'm here. Hi. Good
[17:06] evening, everyone.
[17:10] Just regarding the mass
[17:11] structure that the reviewer
[17:15] comment on the channing site,
[17:18] I propose to put a dormer
[17:21] to reduce the mass
[17:24] of it and also raise the pitch
[17:26] of the roof
[17:29] to match the existing pitch
[17:32] of the roof. So I believe that
[17:33] will reduce the mass of the
[17:35] elevation facing the channing
[17:38] road. Can you hear me? Yes, we
[17:42] can hear you.
[17:43] Okay. Very good. I'm not sure I
[17:49] can share my screen. I have a
[17:50] sketch of it.
[18:03] Okay. Let me see.
[18:07] Okay.
[18:23] Ken, you should be able
[18:24] to share. Okay. I'm loading my
[18:27] screen.
[19:03] Are you able to find the share
[19:05] button on your screen?
[19:07] Uh, I think so. Oh, yeah,
[19:09] the share button is not able
[19:11] to share.
[19:18] Let's see.
[19:25] You are a co-host, Ken.
[19:29] You should be able to share.
[19:34] Perhaps you can just verbally
[19:35] describe
[19:36] since you are unable to.
[19:38] Can I send an email
[19:39] to the planner later on?
[19:42] For some reason, the button
[19:43] that shows screen is unable
[19:45] at my screen. Yeah. Well, why
[19:49] don't you go ahead and describe
[19:52] what you... Basically, I will
[19:54] put a dormer, it's
[19:56] like a gable roof, gable
[20:00] dormer, facing channing row
[20:02] on top of the entry, not entry,
[20:06] I mean the doorway.
[20:10] If you sharing that...
[20:12] Let me see.
[20:33] Can I share the picture? I have
[20:34] my phone. Oh, yeah, yeah,
[20:36] yeah. Yeah, Kevin has a picture
[20:38] on his phone. I'm sorry. He can
[20:40] share it at the screen.
[20:55] Sorry about that. Thank you.
[20:57] Sorry about that.
[21:03] Is there anything else you'd
[21:04] like to add about the project
[21:07] while we're examining the photo
[21:09] on the phone?
[21:13] Another thing we would like to
[21:14] add is the neighbors talking
[21:17] about... There's a two Juliet
[21:20] balcony facing the window.
[21:22] First of all, you know that
[21:23] Juliet balcony is like 20 feet
[21:25] away from... More than 20 feet
[21:27] away because their setback is
[21:28] about 5 feet.
[21:30] And the window they mentioned
[21:31] about it is a staircase. So we
[21:33] are okay to take away,
[21:35] remove one of the Juliet
[21:37] balcony, but we would like
[21:39] to keep another Juliet balcony
[21:40] at the third bedroom.
[21:54] And the other comments
[21:55] from neighbor is
[21:56] about the tree.
[21:57] It's called the... I measured
[21:59] it. It's 30 feet away
[22:02] from the neighbor's fence.
[22:05] So I don't understand why it's
[22:06] going to block the sunlight
[22:08] to the neighbor.
[22:10] That's the second comment
[22:12] from the neighbor. Thank you.
[22:18] It's 36 feet away
[22:20] from the fence. Just share your
[22:22] phone one more time.
[22:25] I'm sorry? Okay.
[22:53] Okay. At this time,
[22:55] do we have any questions for
[22:58] the applicant?
[22:59] I have several questions.
[23:00] Maybe you can help me
[23:01] understand the use of the new
[23:02] addition because it has a
[23:04] second front door. So now the
[23:06] house has two front doors,
[23:08] which is usually confusing.
[23:10] And it's only bedrooms,
[23:12] so it's not like an ADU.
[23:14] I understand. The current
[23:17] existing door is
[23:18] on the right side. And we have
[23:22] a front yard.
[23:23] That's the reason why we want
[23:25] to keep that door to access
[23:27] to the front yard,
[23:28] to the side yard on Peninsula
[23:29] Street. If you like,
[23:31] we can close it,
[23:32] but it's more convenient going
[23:33] to access the front yard
[23:37] through that door instead
[23:39] of going around the house.
[23:41] So the new door will be the
[23:44] main front door?
[23:46] Right. The door in the middle
[23:48] of the house will be the main
[23:49] entrance.
[23:51] And it's bigger than
[23:52] from the other door. The main
[23:54] reason we want to keep the
[23:56] existing door is because we
[23:58] want to get access
[24:00] to the side yard. And we have a
[24:01] pretty decent side yard on
[24:04] Peninsula Street. We just don't
[24:06] want to go around the house
[24:08] to go to the side yard.
[24:10] Yeah, thank you. The bedrooms
[24:11] are rather narrow, 10 and nine
[24:13] and a half feet,
[24:15] and you're asking
[24:16] for a nine-foot plate height,
[24:18] which is already would be a
[24:19] variant. So explain why you're
[24:22] asking for a nine-foot ceiling
[24:24] height or plate height.
[24:26] Yeah, I understand it's six
[24:28] inches higher than the normal
[24:30] height. My daughter has asthma,
[24:33] so we thought the highest plate
[24:35] height would make the airflow
[24:39] better for her.
[24:41] That's the reason why we want
[24:42] to increase the height plate
[24:44] to nine feet high.
[24:47] Ventilation purpose.
[24:49] They work great. But
[24:50] on the second floor, just as a,
[24:51] you know, you could use
[24:53] coffered ceilings and take
[24:55] advantage of the gable space
[24:57] to make a higher ceiling
[24:59] without a higher plate height.
[25:01] Because of the massing
[25:02] challenge with this,
[25:04] it would probably be better.
[25:06] This is a question,
[25:08] so I won't go on. What's the
[25:09] use of the long porch
[25:11] on the side of the house?
[25:12] Because it's too narrow to be a
[25:14] deck and the stairs are rather
[25:15] steep. So I don't understand
[25:18] the use for a full width porch.
[25:22] That's only four feet wide.
[25:25] It's not that narrow. I think
[25:26] it's five feet wide.
[25:28] At this point, five feet wide,
[25:30] we can put our shoes there and
[25:32] some kind of storage spaces
[25:34] for us to go
[25:36] to the garage and side
[25:38] of the yard.
[25:42] And then the windows.
[25:43] There are a lot of windows
[25:45] for bedrooms and full kind
[25:46] of sliding doors,
[25:49] which is unusual
[25:51] for a bedroom. So is there a
[25:53] rationale for having the
[25:54] original design?
[25:56] Now the sketch is different,
[25:58] but the original design has a
[25:59] full sliding door, Juliet
[26:01] balcony facing Channing.
[26:02] We like natural light.
[26:06] That's the reason we have so
[26:07] many windows.
[26:08] Yeah, we have a sliding door
[26:12] in the bedroom as well as
[26:13] in the stand. We thought it
[26:17] would be better
[26:19] to have natural light
[26:20] in those two rooms.
[26:21] Okay. And the current use is
[26:25] just one small bedroom and now
[26:26] you're installing three
[26:27] bedrooms.
[26:28] So is it going to be the same
[26:30] use or a different use?
[26:31] Right now we have three
[26:33] bedrooms, two
[26:35] in the main house and one
[26:36] in the cottage. So we are
[26:39] tearing down the cottage. We
[26:40] want two more bedrooms because
[26:42] we want our parents to move in.
[26:46] My parents, they live in
[26:47] Chinatown
[26:48] in a small tiny room. They took
[26:51] care of me and my children when
[26:52] they were young and we wanted
[26:54] them to live with us. Great.
[26:58] Yeah, that's the reason why we
[26:59] want to have two more bedrooms
[27:01] in this residence. Thank you.
[27:08] Thank you. Any other questions
[27:09] for the applicant?
[27:11] Yeah, I have a couple
[27:12] of questions. On the elevations
[27:14] you show all new vinyl windows,
[27:15] but on the window schedule it
[27:18] says aluminum.
[27:20] They are all vinyl. I thought
[27:21] we changed them. Right now we
[27:23] have vinyl windows. I thought
[27:24] we changed from aluminum
[27:26] to vinyl. I just want
[27:27] to clarify because it had both
[27:29] on there. So you're saying
[27:30] they're all going
[27:31] to be vinyl?
[27:33] Yes, it will be. Yeah, even the
[27:35] addition, the new addition,
[27:36] they all will be vinyl windows.
[27:38] Are you changing
[27:40] out all the windows
[27:41] of the house?
[27:43] The current house has vinyl
[27:44] windows. But you're going
[27:45] to keep them?
[27:46] Yes. Okay. And then it says
[27:48] you're going to have new cement
[27:50] fiber siding.
[27:52] Are you sure the existing
[27:53] siding is fiber cement? A
[27:56] portion is wood and a portion
[28:00] is cement right now.
[28:04] Now, the side toward the
[28:06] peninsula is cement because
[28:07] when we bought the house,
[28:09] we made improvement
[28:10] on that side. We replaced all
[28:11] the siding. Those are cement
[28:13] siding.
[28:15] And on the channing side, a
[28:18] portion is cement and a portion
[28:21] is wood.
[28:23] For the new addition, we are
[28:27] proposing using cement siding.
[28:31] So would any of the existing
[28:32] wood siding remain or would it
[28:33] all be?
[28:35] We're not making any changes
[28:36] to the existing main house.
[28:41] So you could have some cement
[28:42] siding and wood siding?
[28:43] Yeah. Okay.
[28:45] And then on the northeast
[28:48] elevation, you have the stucco
[28:51] on the lower section
[28:52] intersecting
[28:54] with the existing, I guess,
[28:56] is that the cement siding?
[28:57] Cement siding will be
[28:58] on the second floor.
[29:00] On the first floor.
[29:01] So I'm thinking
[29:03] of the first floor right now.
[29:04] You have the existing home,
[29:05] which has, I guess, cement
[29:06] siding, or I don't know if
[29:07] that's the cement or the wood.
[29:09] A cement siding.
[29:10] And then you have the new
[29:11] addition
[29:12] with the stucco hitting that.
[29:13] What is that transition going
[29:14] to be?
[29:16] It's between the kitchen and
[29:18] the new addition.
[29:20] Yeah, I understand the
[29:22] location. How are you going to
[29:23] transition the two materials
[29:24] together?
[29:26] Uh, Ken, can you answer that
[29:28] question? I'm not a technical
[29:29] person. Sorry.
[29:31] It currently doesn't count.
[29:33] Yeah.
[29:34] Yeah, go ahead.
[29:35] We can do a three-inch reveal
[29:36] to transition the stucco. This
[29:39] is a request by the owner.
[29:41] For some reason, I don't know
[29:43] if he wants the stucco to be
[29:45] on that side particularly.
[29:48] Do you have a particular
[29:50] reason, Kevin?
[29:53] Yeah, I look at my neighbor's
[29:54] house next door. They have
[29:56] stucco on the bottom floor,
[29:58] and then cement board
[30:01] on the second floor. I want
[30:04] to match to their house.
[30:06] Kevin, just
[30:07] like the neighbor's house.
[30:10] Yeah, I understand. And I'm not
[30:11] trying to comment here yet,
[30:12] but the question is,
[30:13] of course, how do you
[30:14] transition those so it doesn't
[30:16] look like you just attached an
[30:17] addition onto a 100-year-old
[30:19] home? So I'll address that
[30:20] again in comments,
[30:22] but thank you.
[30:23] And then my last comment or
[30:24] question is,
[30:25] on that same lower roof
[30:26] of the stucco addition,
[30:28] how does that intersecting
[30:30] with the existing roof line?
[30:32] It looks like they're
[30:33] at the same plane, but they're
[30:35] slightly different dimensions.
[30:37] How do those, how does that-
[30:40] Can you clarify that part,
[30:41] please?
[30:42] I'm sorry?
[30:45] You're talking
[30:46] about the roof line?
[30:47] Yeah, the lower roof line
[30:49] that's over the, that's
[30:50] below the new addition on the
[30:51] northeast elevation and then
[30:53] where that intersects
[30:54] with the existing roof line.
[30:55] It seems
[30:57] to be either very slightly
[30:58] close to that roof line or just
[31:00] slightly off. I'm just curious
[31:02] of how you're going to resolve
[31:03] that transition. I'm sorry.
[31:05] Are you talking
[31:09] about that area? Because
[31:11] there's a rear side setback
[31:13] limitation for that. So that's
[31:17] why we have to reset that part
[31:18] and then we create a roof
[31:20] on top of it. Am I answering
[31:23] your question?
[31:26] I believe so. Okay. All right.
[31:28] That's it. Thank you.
[31:35] Any other questions?
[31:37] Questions.
[31:38] Right.
[31:40] So on that same face,
[31:43] the one that's along
[31:44] Channing, I was wondering
[31:46] about the, I mean,
[31:47] what we're commenting
[31:49] on is what's in front of us,
[31:50] not what was on the phone,
[31:52] but the gable that is
[31:56] over the,
[31:58] that second entrance. Is it
[32:02] right now, it's just kind
[32:03] of coming out and held up
[32:05] by corbels or something. So
[32:07] it's just by itself kind
[32:10] of hanging there, right?
[32:12] Actually, if you look
[32:14] at the sketch that Kevin just
[32:16] shared with you, that gable
[32:18] at the entrance looked
[32:22] like the overhang. We removed
[32:24] that. We pushed that gable up
[32:26] to the roof line
[32:28] to create more
[32:30] of the dormer feature of it.
[32:32] Right. But then, yeah,
[32:34] I get that. But then it's a
[32:35] pretty long stretch there down
[32:38] to the bottom. I think that has
[32:40] to really be drawn
[32:41] out properly for us to. We'll
[32:43] take that away already. That
[32:44] gable is no longer there.
[32:46] Okay. And I also had the
[32:47] question about the transition,
[32:49] the transition between the old
[32:52] house and the newer section.
[32:54] Because I guess you like the,
[32:58] your client, you
[33:02] like the stucco
[33:03] on the bottom. You mentioned
[33:05] that. But your, the old house,
[33:06] had that, have you done any
[33:10] new, is your siding new there
[33:14] as well? It's all new? The
[33:15] siding, some
[33:17] of those siding are new. We
[33:19] paste them. But what about the
[33:22] piece that abuts the stucco?
[33:23] Is that also new?
[33:26] The very end of the,
[33:28] on that same face that's
[33:29] running along Channing? So you
[33:30] got that right where the house
[33:34] is. Is it possible
[33:35] to pull up the renderings for
[33:36] the new real quick so we can
[33:38] both just make sure we're
[33:39] looking at the same thing?
[33:41] Thank you. Yeah. So if I'm
[33:43] looking at that, I'm looking
[33:45] at the gable on the, over the
[33:46] door that I was just talking
[33:48] about, directly to the right,
[33:51] there's the old house. I'm
[33:54] going to call it old house.
[33:55] And it is,
[33:56] has wood or siding that is,
[33:58] is that new? Did you put new
[34:02] siding on? Or is it the old
[34:04] siding? The top one,
[34:06] they are wood siding.
[34:07] They are old.
[34:08] The bottom one, above,
[34:10] underneath the window,
[34:12] those are new cement for
[34:13] siding.
[34:15] I don't think I understand.
[34:17] Are you saying, sorry,
[34:19] oh look. They were replaced.
[34:21] Yeah, they were replaced.
[34:23] Partially replaced. Yes.
[34:24] Okay. And then I guess I wanted
[34:31] to ask about the cantilever. I
[34:33] also had a question
[34:35] about the need
[34:36] for the height,
[34:37] that more heights than what we
[34:39] allow, but you answered that.
[34:41] The cantilever
[34:43] on the second floor, what is,
[34:44] why do you need the cantilever?
[34:50] It's just to have more space.
[34:51] The cantilever
[34:52] on your second,
[34:54] the second floor hangs over the
[34:55] stucco section quite a bit. So
[34:59] do you- Just break the mass.
[35:01] Is it a good answer?
[35:05] I'm sorry,
[35:06] I didn't understand. Just break
[35:07] the mass of the channel, you
[35:08] know, of the street.
[35:10] So we can have almost
[35:11] like overhang, like almost
[35:12] like a very local thing,
[35:13] we catch some shadow.
[35:14] So it won't look
[35:15] at the wall as one piece
[35:17] of wall. It look
[35:18] like two pieces.
[35:20] Let's break the mass.
[35:22] Break the mass. Am I answering
[35:24] your questions? Yeah, I guess
[35:25] so. It just looks, makes it
[35:28] look even bigger than it is.
[35:30] And then,
[35:31] and then I have a question
[35:32] about the decision
[35:33] about the window. Well, not
[35:36] really window sizes,
[35:37] but kind of. You have a,
[35:38] so you have the balcony there
[35:40] with the sliding door. I'm
[35:43] looking at the Channing side
[35:44] still. So I missed what you
[35:49] said.
[35:50] Did you, were you saying you
[35:51] wanted to keep
[35:53] that balcony and get
[35:54] rid of the other or vice versa?
[35:56] In fact, that Kevin has my new
[35:57] sketch on his phone. We put a
[36:02] two smaller window to the,
[36:03] toward the left side of that,
[36:07] of the new section.
[36:09] And we actually create a,
[36:12] put the balcony side
[36:15] to the right, to the middle,
[36:16] right on top
[36:18] of the entrance.
[36:23] Commissioner Pfaff, if I may
[36:24] very briefly. And the applicant
[36:25] has a new sketch. I also know
[36:27] that that has not been
[36:29] presented to the commission.
[36:31] So you may speak
[36:32] to it if you have something
[36:33] to say about it,
[36:34] but that is not really part of
[36:36] the record or what the
[36:37] commission is open,
[36:39] I thought.
[36:41] Right. Then I'm going
[36:42] to jump right
[36:43] to the last question. Was there
[36:45] a reason, I noticed
[36:46] on the front of the house,
[36:49] you seem to have, I don't know
[36:50] if it's their original or they
[36:52] were copied
[36:54] from the original. You do have
[36:55] some divided lights
[36:58] in the front, in the, in the
[37:01] side that faces peninsula. So
[37:02] it looks kind of more right.
[37:07] Yeah. So have you considered
[37:09] on this side, so it kind
[37:11] of all comes together better,
[37:12] some divided lights? I guess
[37:16] that's the way I would say.
[37:19] On your, you have lots of,
[37:20] we do have a light over there.
[37:22] Sorry? We do have a light
[37:24] over there.
[37:26] What's a better way
[37:28] to say that? Just partitioned
[37:30] grids, grids, grids, grids
[37:32] on the window. Yeah, gritted
[37:34] windows, because, you know,
[37:35] you have this 1917 house,
[37:37] which is quite darling.
[37:38] And then you have this other
[37:41] one. And the idea is that they
[37:42] look as, I think the idea is
[37:43] that they look at one,
[37:44] that they were, right,
[37:46] one thing. And so did you
[37:49] consider putting the grids that
[37:50] you have on the front
[37:52] of the house, bringing them
[37:54] around the side, so it kind
[37:56] of pulls all together? Have you
[37:57] considered that rather than all
[38:00] these much more modern, I think,
[38:04] more modern looking than the
[38:05] age of the house? Sorry, we
[38:07] never thought about it. We work
[38:09] with that in consideration.
[38:10] Thank you
[38:12] for your suggestion. It's just,
[38:13] it was just a question.
[38:15] We can only ask questions. All
[38:18] right. Thank you. Yeah. Any
[38:19] other questions?
[38:22] I had one more clarifying
[38:23] question. It looked
[38:24] like when I drove by,
[38:25] there's an existing chimney
[38:26] in the roof, but
[38:27] on all these plans, there's no
[38:29] chimney, but I noticed the
[38:30] fireplace is still
[38:31] on the plan. We do have a
[38:32] fireplace. And a chimney?
[38:34] Yes. Okay. And the plan is
[38:36] to keep the chimney?
[38:37] Yes. Okay. It is
[38:39] in the main house. Yes.
[38:40] Correct. Okay. Yeah. Sorry,
[38:41] it's not showing up
[38:43] on the picture. Yeah, just
[38:44] clarifying. Thank you. Yeah.
[38:45] So we're not touching the main
[38:48] house at all.
[38:50] We are just tearing down the
[38:51] cottage and rebuild a two-story
[38:54] building.
[38:57] Right. Any sounds
[38:58] like we're no more questions
[39:00] for the applicant? Okay. If
[39:02] that's the case, I will go
[39:03] ahead and close the public
[39:04] hearing. Thank you
[39:06] for being available
[39:07] to answer your questions.
[39:08] Thank you. Commissioners,
[39:09] comments? Don't you have
[39:10] to ask for public comment?
[39:13] Oh, no one's here, but. That's
[39:15] right. Okay. Anyone attending
[39:16] in person who would like
[39:17] to speak on this item? Okay.
[39:21] Just in case. In that case, now
[39:24] I will close the public
[39:25] hearing. Okay. Thank you.
[39:27] Commissioners, comments? Can I
[39:28] go? Yes. Okay. This design looks
[39:30] like two totally separate
[39:35] houses with two front doors and
[39:37] three different sets
[39:39] of windows, two different sets
[39:42] of siding.
[39:43] This is not a cohesive
[39:47] project. And so I think that
[39:50] you need to look at it in 3D
[39:54] because the elevations don't,
[39:57] are not helping the design
[39:59] at all. I would, I liked, you
[40:02] know, what I did see
[40:05] of the sketch, it's moving
[40:06] in the right direction.
[40:08] Cause I was going to
[40:11] propose that you actually
[40:12] switch the roof 90 degrees and
[40:15] have the gable end facing
[40:17] Channing, and then maybe do a
[40:21] smaller, dormer or pop out
[40:23] gable facing the other
[40:26] direction so that your pop
[40:29] out looks like a pop out and
[40:31] not just a much bigger mass
[40:34] on top. I, I don't think that
[40:38] the stucco is a good idea at
[40:40] all. I understand what you're
[40:43] saying cause I did see your
[40:44] neighbor's home,
[40:45] but I think given that,
[40:47] given the look of this house,
[40:49] there is no stucco there now.
[40:51] So introducing stucco on the
[40:53] addition just makes it look
[40:55] more like a second house. I
[40:57] would highly suggest keeping
[41:00] the two existing doors you have
[41:03] into the old house and not
[41:05] trying to do a new door into
[41:07] the new house because it looks
[41:08] like a new house.
[41:10] And I would actually then
[41:12] suggest doing a belly band, at,
[41:14] at 10 feet or so, lining
[41:18] with the gutters so that you
[41:21] then could get, your wall
[41:23] surface wouldn't be so
[41:26] vertical. The belly band would
[41:28] break up the materials, help
[41:30] give you two distinct floors
[41:31] of scale. And then wrapping it
[41:33] around the back side would then
[41:37] give you something to,
[41:39] some additional trim
[41:43] to make the pop out work and
[41:45] your overhang there.
[41:47] I think that the Juliette
[41:49] doors are too big. We don't
[41:53] really see those very often.
[41:56] And I would, I would,
[42:00] there's other ways
[42:02] to bring light in,
[42:04] without them being big doors.
[42:07] And you, and I think
[42:10] that the question
[42:11] of the windows is a good one
[42:13] and it's hard because I know
[42:14] you're trying to not tear
[42:15] down the existing house,
[42:17] but unfortunately in order
[42:19] to start to make this look
[42:21] like one house, you might have
[42:22] to make some investments. So it
[42:24] may be that the siding,
[42:27] you just need
[42:29] to bite the bullet. And if you
[42:30] want to go with the cement
[42:32] siding all the way around,
[42:33] fine, you can make that work.
[42:34] But I think keeping the
[42:36] combination
[42:37] of the cement siding
[42:38] on one side and the wood
[42:39] on the other, and then trying
[42:41] to come into stucco is going
[42:43] to be a mess.
[42:46] I don't think it's going
[42:47] to work. The other thing is as
[42:49] I think keeping the front door
[42:52] or the second door on that,
[42:55] Channing elevation will mean
[42:57] less infill and less
[43:00] siding that you can't match.
[43:02] Let's see where else was I. I
[43:08] think that the garage is better
[43:09] off with the siding. I don't
[43:11] think that, I just don't think
[43:13] stucco adds value to you here
[43:14] from a design perspective.
[43:16] The, yes, and I really
[43:24] would encourage your 3d, we'll
[43:26] help you guys see and design a
[43:29] little bit further on how well
[43:31] to bring the two together.
[43:34] When I first saw the
[43:37] elevation, it was,
[43:38] it killed me. And so I actually
[43:41] modeled it in 3d for myself so
[43:42] that I could understand how the
[43:44] shapes were coming together
[43:45] because I didn't want
[43:47] to come here and just say,
[43:48] I don't like it. I wanted
[43:49] to come here with feedback
[43:50] from what I would want
[43:52] to do if it were my project.
[43:54] And so I'm hoping that some of
[43:57] these suggestions will help so
[43:59] that then the next time you
[44:02] guys come forward, we're able
[44:04] to actually make a decision on
[44:06] the action and not then just
[44:07] start over
[44:09] with a whole new set
[44:11] of comments. So I'm hoping that
[44:13] I was helpful. Thank you.
[44:18] Other comments? Yeah. Thank you
[44:21] for saving this old house. I
[44:23] think it's, it's great
[44:25] to see that you're trying
[44:26] to renovate it,
[44:28] but we do want the new house
[44:29] to look cohesive and not
[44:30] like this was an add on that
[44:33] doesn't fit the existing. It
[44:36] currently looks kind of
[44:37] like a caboose, you know,
[44:39] caboose at the end
[44:40] of a train. so I agree with,
[44:41] everything my fellow
[44:44] commissioner said. I think he
[44:45] has a clever idea on, maybe not
[44:47] building a second front
[44:49] entrance, because it strikes me
[44:52] that you also have an entrance
[44:53] that's facing the garage,
[44:55] going into that new den,
[44:58] with that double slider. So you
[45:00] have a lot of doors in and out
[45:02] of a very small space, but it
[45:04] might help pull that elevation
[45:06] together if you don't have two
[45:09] main entrances. this house is
[45:11] one where I think not only
[45:14] don't you need a nine foot
[45:16] plate height, but you might
[45:17] consider an eight foot plate
[45:19] height and then use a coffered
[45:21] ceiling to take advantage
[45:22] of the gable space.
[45:24] So interior, it'll be a higher
[45:26] ceiling, but the exterior will
[45:28] read lower and it won't be as
[45:30] much of a vertical. I
[45:33] like the idea of, rotating the
[45:35] roof or the sketch looks
[45:36] like it's going
[45:38] in the right direction as well,
[45:39] but I would lower that roof
[45:41] line even more. For me, the
[45:42] window, there's too many
[45:45] windows, bedrooms, you know,
[45:47] there's a privacy issue.
[45:49] In addition to light,
[45:51] you could consider clerestory,
[45:52] which a lot of clients or
[45:54] folks are using,
[45:56] which gives light at the top,
[45:58] but gives plenty of wall space
[46:00] for flexibility on where you
[46:02] put furniture. I don't, love
[46:05] the side porch. I think it
[46:07] should either be a porch
[46:09] that's, you know,
[46:11] six or eight feet wide,
[46:12] but not the full width
[46:14] of the, the house. It, it seems
[46:16] like you'll need, railings
[46:17] in the middle for that from a
[46:19] safety perspective. And yeah,
[46:22] the overhang on that left side
[46:24] of the house is also doesn't
[46:25] work for me. It's, I'd almost
[46:28] rather that the house,
[46:29] that the column goes all the
[46:31] way to the edge of the house,
[46:33] and not have that kind
[46:35] of pergola detail. It just,
[46:37] it's, it feels disjointed
[46:38] to me. I agree with,
[46:40] wrapping the whole house
[46:44] in a, in a cohesive,
[46:46] clapboard. And if you want
[46:49] to use the, the cement board,
[46:51] that's fine. But to have all of
[46:52] these different surfaces is
[46:55] going to make the,
[46:57] the project look
[46:58] like a mishmash. Some
[47:01] of the materials are,
[47:03] are cheap and I think in
[47:04] Burlingame, you really want
[47:06] to invest
[47:07] in higher quality materials.
[47:09] So I understand your existing
[47:10] house has vinyl windows. We
[47:12] typically don't like vinyl
[47:13] windows unless they're a high
[47:15] end, product. So, work
[47:17] with your architect
[47:18] on that. I noticed the railings
[47:20] on the, on the porches are
[47:22] aluminum railings. Those tend
[47:24] to look not very nice. So just
[47:29] pay attention to those details
[47:30] and you'll have a much nicer,
[47:32] more, valuable house. The
[47:33] chimney is going
[47:35] to be a problem,
[47:37] because you didn't show it,
[47:38] but now you have a,
[47:39] now you have an,
[47:41] an addition that's
[47:42] above the chimney.
[47:43] So likely you'll have
[47:44] to extend the chimney above the
[47:46] addition and now you're going
[47:47] to have a pretty tall,
[47:48] chimney just stand, you know,
[47:50] in the middle of space. So
[47:52] you'll want to look
[47:53] at that closely, I think.
[47:54] If it's, if it's gas,
[47:57] then it's a different story.
[47:58] But if it's a wood fireplace,
[48:00] that I don't think that will
[48:01] work from a code perspective.
[48:03] Yeah, I think that's it.
[48:11] Any other comments?
[48:13] Yeah, I, I agree. I think it's,
[48:14] Commissioner Schmid has a very
[48:17] interesting idea and, would be,
[48:20] I, I can also picture,
[48:24] definitely picture something
[48:26] like that. I agree that the
[48:29] other sketch was a start. I
[48:31] think, though, in order to,
[48:34] for it to be looking like a,
[48:36] a cohesive building that came,
[48:38] you know, ideally it was built
[48:40] at the same time as the wall. I
[48:42] think, I think it would really
[48:45] be helpful to put that, to face
[48:47] it the other direction towards
[48:49] the gable towards
[48:51] Channing and all the other
[48:53] comments.
[48:57] I agree completely. So, so it's
[48:58] probably overwhelming
[49:00] to hear all this, but that's
[49:01] why this was pulled up in,
[49:03] in the past. This would have
[49:05] gone probably
[49:06] to a design reviewer,
[49:08] off site. So we're trying the
[49:10] best we can to help you. And
[49:11] fortunately, we have a lot of
[49:12] knowledgeable people here who
[49:14] can help you. So we hope,
[49:16] that's it. Thank you.
[49:21] Any comments?
[49:23] Yeah, not too much because,
[49:24] everything that my fellow
[49:25] commissioner said was, spot
[49:26] on and I agree,
[49:27] agree wholeheartedly.
[49:29] Cohesion is the word
[49:31] of the night. I think,
[49:32] that's really what you have
[49:34] to try to go
[49:35] for is how do we make, as
[49:36] Commissioner Pfaff said, look
[49:37] like this was the original
[49:38] intent of the construction
[49:40] from a hundred years ago.
[49:41] Cause I do appreciate the fact
[49:42] that you're trying
[49:43] to save the house. That is
[49:44] really nice to do as opposed
[49:45] to tearing it down, which a lot
[49:47] of people will do. So we really
[49:48] appreciate that, but we need it
[49:49] to be cohesive. We want it to
[49:50] look nice. and as commissioner
[49:51] Horan said, we do live in
[49:54] Burlingame and people do
[49:55] invest in nice materials,
[49:57] whether it be in the windows or
[49:58] the siding or the roofs or
[50:00] whatever the details,
[50:01] it doesn't mean you have
[50:02] to overspend, but it just,
[50:04] it has to look like it's
[50:05] supposed to be there.
[50:06] And that can sometimes cost
[50:08] a little bit more money than
[50:09] you may want to spend. The only
[50:11] other thing I would tell you
[50:13] is, forgo going to a structural
[50:14] engineer. I noticed these plans
[50:15] had a full set of structural
[50:16] engineering plans, which I, I,
[50:18] I feel bad because
[50:19] unfortunately that a lot
[50:20] of that's going to have
[50:22] to be changed. So I would
[50:23] highly recommend you go
[50:24] through this process with the
[50:25] planning commission first,
[50:26] get an approved plan,
[50:28] and then send it off
[50:29] to your engineers
[50:30] before spending the money
[50:31] with them. Because again, we
[50:35] can't approve it the way it is
[50:37] today.
[50:38] So there are going to be some
[50:40] fundamental changes that will
[50:41] change the structure. So it's
[50:42] just a word of advice. I did
[50:43] forget one comment, related
[50:46] to the, letter that we
[50:47] received.
[50:49] I don't have a problem,
[50:50] because the house is so far
[50:52] away from the, the lot line.
[50:53] We have houses that are four
[50:54] feet away and eight feet away
[50:57] with a driveway. This is 20
[50:58] plus feet. So I don't,
[51:00] I don't have a problem with
[51:02] that other than my statement
[51:03] that the windows are too big
[51:05] in general.
[51:06] But in terms of sight lines
[51:08] to the neighbor,
[51:09] that's not concerned
[51:10] with mine.
[51:12] But it might be fair to say
[51:13] to the neighbor that this,
[51:14] this is not a view area
[51:15] with any protected views. So
[51:17] the request for story poles or
[51:20] solar is not really what would
[51:23] happen in a location
[51:25] like this. And, and as was said
[51:27] earlier, the tree locations are
[51:29] actually significantly further
[51:31] away.
[51:32] And it were any other
[51:35] configuration
[51:37] without the garage being there,
[51:38] I would actually say plant more
[51:39] trees. Yeah. But, that's the
[51:41] way it is right now.
[51:43] I just want
[51:46] to say one quick comment
[51:48] about cohesiveness. So if we
[51:52] just took the old house away
[51:53] and we're just looking
[51:55] at the new part, we would
[51:56] still, I think,
[51:57] be saying the same thing.
[51:58] The new is not
[52:00] in itself is not cohesive. So
[52:02] take the, the old section away,
[52:03] just what is drawn,
[52:05] that probably wouldn't have
[52:06] gone through here very easily
[52:08] either. So, anyway, it just,
[52:09] just to rework, redo. Right. I
[52:13] would just like to add two,
[52:18] well, add one and a half quick
[52:19] things. I'd like to iterate,
[52:21] reiterate a previous comment
[52:22] about, windows with grids.
[52:24] I don't think we mentioned it
[52:26] in our specific comment,
[52:28] comment portion, but perhaps,
[52:29] taking a window that's already
[52:31] there and replacing it
[52:33] with one that are,
[52:35] have grids that kind of relate
[52:36] to the one on the primary
[52:38] facade or the one facing
[52:39] peninsula, that might add a lot
[52:41] of cohesiveness
[52:42] to the structure
[52:43] without having to do a lot
[52:44] of other reconfigurations.
[52:46] Just wanted
[52:47] to make sure that was mentioned
[52:48] in the comment portion. Thank
[52:49] you. And the other thing I did
[52:50] want to mention is, I noticed
[52:51] on the site plan, it looks
[52:53] like the current configuration
[52:54] of the fences does not change
[52:56] with the addition
[52:57] of the new primary, entrance.
[52:59] It might make it easier to
[53:00] understand the primary entrance
[53:02] as we're walking around.
[53:04] If the opening
[53:05] for the current primary
[53:07] entrance down by peninsula was
[53:08] relocated and that kind of,
[53:10] so that you're kind of led
[53:11] into it as you're walking by,
[53:13] I'm, that might've come
[53:15] out later in the process,
[53:16] but I didn't see
[53:17] on the site plan.
[53:18] So I just wanted
[53:19] to mention that pretty simple.
[53:20] But I think everything else has
[53:22] already been covered that I
[53:23] would have mentioned. Any
[53:25] other comments?
[53:27] Okay. As I, as I said,
[53:29] we are not making a motion
[53:31] on this. So, all right. Thank
[53:33] you very much
[53:34] for coming tonight. Thank you.
[53:36] all right. So moving on
[53:38] to agenda item nine,
[53:41] staff and commission reports.
[53:45] Are there any commissioner
[53:46] reports?
[53:49] Okay. Staff, do we have
[53:50] anything to share? Yes.
[53:52] Thank you chair or as a member
[53:54] of the planning commission,
[53:55] just would like to let you know
[53:56] that we did receive an appeal
[53:57] of the planning commission's
[53:59] approval of the project
[54:02] at 410 Airport Boulevard.
[54:04] That appeal was filed
[54:06] by a council member.
[54:09] So that'll be scheduled
[54:10] for a council hearing and
[54:12] at some point in the
[54:14] near future at a date
[54:15] to be determined. And then
[54:16] for our next meeting,
[54:19] which is scheduled for
[54:20] September 14th, if we have a
[54:25] meeting, on that date,
[54:27] it'll be to consider a,
[54:31] application for a new building
[54:33] on Channing, road where,
[54:35] excuse me, not Channing, Chapin
[54:37] where the Chase Bank is.
[54:40] So we are meeting
[54:44] with the applicant tomorrow
[54:48] to get out some final details,
[54:49] to address fire district,
[54:50] concerns, fire department
[54:51] concerns, and if we're able
[54:53] to work through those,
[54:54] we'll have it
[54:55] on the next agenda. Otherwise
[54:56] it'll likely go
[54:57] to the second meeting in
[54:58] September. So there's a good
[55:01] chance we will not have a
[55:02] meeting September 14th.
[55:04] And I'd just like
[55:07] to add that if you do,
[55:08] I won't be there. Okay. Thanks
[55:10] for the heads up. What did you
[55:13] say that you will? If we had
[55:16] one on the 14th. Oh, okay. Got
[55:18] it. Got it. Okay. If
[55:20] there's nothing else to share
[55:22] on the commissioner's side or
[55:24] the staff side, then I can say
[55:26] the meeting is adjourned
[55:27] at 7:55 PM. Thank you.
[55:30] Thank you.