1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,880 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It is 5:30 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:14,559 » and I will call our work session to order. So, members of the public are 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:20,960 always welcome to attend in person and we enjoy seeing all of you here. 4 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:25,680 Welcome. Um, and the public can also choose to watch our meetings on at 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:32,239 burnsvillemn.gov/meings /meings or Comcast channel 16 or 859. 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:40,000 The public can also participate through Zoom uh by joining us at zoom. us/join 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:47,039 and more information is available on our meeting web page and in the council 8 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:54,079 agenda packet. Our work sessions are um informal and we go directly to the items 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:01:00,719 that's on the agenda. So the first item on the agenda is the Burnsville Festival 10 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:04,559 and Fire Security and Chief Gentleman is presenting. The floor is yours. 11 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:07,680 » Good evening, Madame Mayor, members of the council. Thanks for having us. Uh 12 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:13,520 this presentation is going to be split in a couple of pieces. Um so we'll talk 13 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:16,080 first about kind of uh festival security and then we'll turn it over to the 14 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:20,960 members of the festival board that are here to talk about um the financial uh 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:26,320 piece and and requests that they have. So, uh, that's kind of where we're at. 16 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Just as a quick reminder, uh, is the council, uh, the council requested us to 17 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:35,119 come back with additional information based on the request of the festival, 18 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:39,200 um, with their financials and [snorts] about a little more information on how 19 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,920 we come up with what we do for uh, the festival security. So, I'm going to turn 20 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,880 it over to Chief Smith uh, to cover the first couple of slides and then I'll 21 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:51,520 round it out uh, talking a little bit more specifically about the festival. 22 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,280 » Okay. All right, Madame Mayor Smith. >> Yes. Right. 23 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,200 » You're recognized. >> Well, thank you. Uh, Madame Mayor, 24 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:02,159 members of the council, I'm going to start with the sort of how we looked at 25 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,799 the risk assessment. Uh, we we look at this nationally, regionally, and then 26 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:10,560 we're going to talk about some of our local trends, uh, best practices, our 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:14,879 own experiences here in Burnsville, criminal intelligence that we gather 28 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:18,080 while we look at these community events. And at the end of the day, this is all 29 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,840 about community and staff safety. That's that's the goal of everything we're 30 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,520 talking about. Unfortunately, over the years, different 31 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:30,160 types of events that we've been concerned about have ultimately led to 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:36,760 violence, which is what has us concerned as we move forward into 33 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:36,760 this community event. 34 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,239 So, nationally, [snorts] 35 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,040 there's an average of over 20 active shooter incidents per year. 36 00:02:43,751 --> 00:02:48,480 [cough and clears throat] Over half of those are in open spaces which would be 37 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:53,120 similar to the Burnsville Festival and Fire Muster. Again, that's what we 38 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:57,599 that's why we have a concern over this particular type of event. And the 39 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,760 incidents of community events have become more common. 40 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:07,200 We're going to go more nationally here. Not all of these were firearm related, 41 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:12,319 but to show sort of paint the picture of in Waca, you may recall in 2021 there 42 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:18,080 was the parade where someone drove a car through and there were five killed and 43 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:22,159 40 injured. 2024 in Kansas City was the Super Bowl parade. That was a shooting 44 00:03:20,239 --> 00:03:27,440 incident that left one killed and 22 injured. And then more recently in New 45 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Orleans was 14 killed and 57 injured last year. 46 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,760 more regionally. Last summer in June in Minneapolis, there was a shooting up at 47 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Boom Island. Also [snorts] in Minneapolis, in August of 2025, one 48 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:44,159 killed and seven injured on Third Avenue. 49 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:48,080 Just this past month, there were four people shot in Martin Luther King Park 50 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:52,959 in Minneapolis. Metro State's graduation had multiple 51 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:56,720 shots fired up in St. Paul. And just I believe it was two weeks ago now at the 52 00:03:54,319 --> 00:04:02,239 Eid celebration in Shakabe, there was a homicide. I will also add we are on an 53 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,640 email list that we get emails daily and unfortunately that there's seems there's 54 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,920 a headline that there is another incident I think was it Tulsa had a 55 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:15,120 shooting >> in the last couple days. So 56 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:20,799 » um unfortunate things that are happening out out in the community regionally. We 57 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:25,759 know that we have rival gangs in the metro area and that includes here in 58 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Burnsville and other communities are also looking to increase their security 59 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,360 profile at community events including graduations which of course we're in or 60 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:39,680 just coming out of graduation season now. And we have had across the metro 61 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:43,040 increased security presence and I can say that there have been some incidents 62 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:49,120 where firearms have been located in close proximity to graduations here this 63 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:53,840 year. Locally here in Burns, we've had our own 64 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:58,880 incidents, right? In 2024, we had the shooting at Red Oak Park. In 2025, we 65 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:04,400 had the shooting outside of graduation. A lot of this criminal activity is known 66 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:08,800 to be tied to gangs. We've also heard of retaliation at threats, and we have 67 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:12,440 located firearms at some of these funerals as well. 68 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:21,680 Specific to the festival in FireMuster, in the last 5 years, we've had 130 69 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:26,800 police related incidents. Uh there's been fights, assaults, drugs, most 70 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:31,120 commonly related to young adults, um older children. In 2023, there was one 71 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,639 particular incident where we had to call mutual aid from our neighboring 72 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:38,880 agencies. And we have over the last two years 73 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:45,120 gained even more criminal intelligence of from our analysts of gang 74 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,960 at least showing up to the festival and fire mustard. 75 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Uh one question that had been asked was how does this compare to uh party on the 76 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:58,080 plaza calls for service and we looked that up over the last several years. 77 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:02,400 We've had 11 calls for service. They were actually just officers calling out 78 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:08,160 as a community oriented policing or detail. So, we haven't actually had any 79 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,960 actual police calls for service. Some of that may be related to time of day and 80 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,479 just uh the activities that are happening there 81 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,560 versus at the fire buster. >> Any on the international festival? 82 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:27,109 » I don't have that information. We can certainly find that for you. 83 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,129 » Gangs love arts and crafts. [laughter] 84 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaking specifically about our special events process within the city is police 85 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,864 department and fire department review all special event permit applications 86 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:44,560 and uh the festival and fire also [snorts] goes through that same process 87 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,800 that all other special events do. Uh when we look at those we consider trends 88 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:52,639 history again that criminal intelligence piece and the risk assessment to 89 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,160 determine recommendations. uh we try the least invasive approaches 90 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:59,440 for community safety factors to determine the the greater need 91 00:06:57,894 --> 00:07:03,360 [clears throat] and in the festival's case for a number of years we've had 92 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:09,280 significant police presence on those grounds and really prior to implementing 93 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,614 uh the screening at the at the gates we really have maximized 94 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:19,120 the use of a our internal resources [cough] but b the approaches without any 95 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:23,919 type of invasive uh screening tools is we've maximized all those tactics that 96 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:29,759 we could and we still seeing those those criminal activity calls um on the 97 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:34,160 festival and fire muster grounds. Uh the festival board as well as city 98 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,280 staff agreed and the festival board adopted that they wanted a 99 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,639 family-friendly environment and to provide for the safety and security of 100 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:47,120 all participants. Those were their their two goals. Uh staff recommended to the 101 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:51,605 festival board last year to fence and uh have private security control access to 102 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,599 the events to the event. um [cough and clears throat] eliminate the 103 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:57,520 carnival, replace it with a family-friendly area, implement a 104 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:01,280 non-supervised minor policy after 7 p.m., ban weapons and face coverings, 105 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:07,680 and end the parade route at Civic Center. Uh the festival board did adopt 106 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:11,280 the majority of those. Uh they adopted the fencing and private security to 107 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:15,520 control access. Uh they kept the carnival but shut it down at 8, did a 108 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:18,800 non-supervised minor policy at 8 p.m., banned weapons and face coverings, and 109 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:25,840 then ended the parade route at Civic Center. So last year was was the first 110 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:29,919 year of that enhanced security presence. Uh from a staff perspective, we did see 111 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:36,080 a decrease in criminal activity, fights and assaults. Um we were also able to 112 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:40,159 enforce uh those that were trespassed. Uh they weren't able to return. One of 113 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:44,320 the recurring problems we had is with an more open environment is we weren't able 114 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:47,440 to necessarily keep those folks out. It was so porous they could come back in 115 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:50,880 pretty easily. Um, [clears throat] attendees also commented they 116 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:55,440 appreciated the security, but the long lines were definitely a concern. 117 00:08:54,486 --> 00:09:02,560 [cough] As far as considerations, um, is, uh, if 118 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:06,480 the council were to direct staff, uh, to fund the additional security, uh, 119 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:12,080 funding options would include the economic development fund or the general 120 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:15,440 fund for that. Um should the council direct staff to do this uh in 121 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,040 consultation with the attorney's office? We believe that the contract should be 122 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:24,160 managed by staff as a matter of operations and maintain the appropriate 123 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:28,640 public purpose expenditure. So if if the council directs staff to to fund this, 124 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:33,680 we believe that the the agreement for the private security and screening 125 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:38,080 should be held by the city versus making it a donation to the festival nonprofit. 126 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,600 So So that's what I have with that. I'm 127 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,640 going to turn it over to uh I know many from the festival are here to present 128 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,519 the request and talk about their financials. 129 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:51,040 » Okay. Um council member >> question what what was the reason for 130 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,519 not adopting all the recommendations of staff 131 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,120 » for public safety for the festival? >> Uh madame mayor council August that was 132 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:05,200 just what we presented. There was discussion on it and um that's what they 133 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:08,160 amongst the discussion with the board that's what they came up with. So they 134 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:14,480 were >> right. Okay. Um the members of the board 135 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:19,240 can uh come to the table please there. >> Yeah. 136 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:19,240 » And um 137 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,497 and tell us what you're requesting because it appears that you're 138 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,680 requesting money that is not budgeted [cough] 139 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:32,399 for us. >> Sure. 140 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:35,440 » Madame Mayor, council members. >> So that people know who's speaking from 141 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,600 our public. >> Sure. 142 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:45,040 » Yeah. So your name um and that you're the me on the member of the Burnsville 143 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:49,839 Festival and FireMaster board. >> Sure. Uh I'm Jason Low. I'm an executive 144 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:53,440 uh vice chair on the Burnsville Festival uh board here. I've got a couple other 145 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,519 members here. >> John Hamilton 146 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,560 and I'm on the board. >> I'm Adam Duckado, the treasurer for the 147 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:06,000 festival. >> Well, welcome all of you. Okay. Who's 148 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:08,800 speaking on behalf of the board? um >> the executive vice president. 149 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,640 » Yes, I will. Yep. Please. >> So, I know from the last request it was 150 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,959 to bring some of the financials to the table to you guys to kind of get a 151 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:18,320 better understanding of how we've been performing over the last several years. 152 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,920 Um Adam's going to speak a little bit to that. And then the next piece is really 153 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,680 kind of around what the policy says when it comes to these legacy events and kind 154 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:28,079 of how things are are funded and maintained like that. I do want to 155 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,680 revisit that a little bit. That kind of sets the basis for kind of why we're 156 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,480 here and to talk about like is the policy in line with what we'd want? Is 157 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:40,399 there anything different we may want to do with it as it pertains to this? 158 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,399 So, with that, uh, turn over to Adam for the financials. 159 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:50,480 » I believe included in your packet is the balance sheet and P&L history of our 160 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:55,040 festival. Um, we are a nonprofit organization that 161 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:59,440 tries to fund and spend money according to what 162 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,800 our mission is to provide a good and safe festival for the community. 163 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:13,200 uh you can see that our our bottom line P&L es and flows uh due to various 164 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:17,040 factors um but uh it is noted in the um on the financials that we are at cash 165 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:23,600 basis so the timing of things I will note that you will see in the fiscal 166 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:28,880 year August or April 1st to March 31st of 26 there's a line item for security 167 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:35,878 for almost $14,000 that is for the prior year calendar year 168 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:41,519 25 event just so everybody's aware to [clears throat] clear that up. Um that 169 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:47,680 that's a piece that was unexpected as requested uh by the city that we felt it 170 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:54,240 was necessary to take on that expense for the safety of the community and all 171 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:59,760 members and that's the primary reason why we're here. Uh the other uh 172 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:04,800 significant line item relevant to this conversation is the entertainment line 173 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:10,720 item uh where we bring on entertainment, staging, audio, 174 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:17,600 uh fireworks, things like that to make it um an enjoyable experience for all 175 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:21,729 and part of that is um >> funded or reimbured by the city. 176 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:26,560 Um, since we have that background, [cough] can it be put up so it we're 177 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:32,200 transparent with all of this with what we're talking about? 178 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,200 » Yeah. 179 00:13:36,794 --> 00:13:43,680 [clears throat] Because you're talking to people who are 180 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:48,959 elected to be the stewards of the public's money. 181 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:53,120 That's our role and it's our fiduciary responsibility. 182 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:58,720 So, if we're doing this uh and you're asking for the public's 183 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:02,000 money and you're presenting your your financials, I think the public needs to 184 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,760 see it. >> They see our budget. 185 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:11,600 » It's on our website and we talk to them and we everything we do is transparent. 186 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:14,639 So, I want this to be that as well. We understand as a nonprofit our Yeah. 187 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:17,680 » financials are >> But you're asking money from the people, 188 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:19,199 » correct? >> Yeah. 189 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,440 » Yes. >> So that's where that sticky point comes 190 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:28,000 in. >> Okay. 191 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:34,320 » One of my major roles with the festival is the fundraising component 192 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:42,959 which and we are supported supported heavily by the business community. 193 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:50,639 So, uh, fundraising is not necessarily a very glamorous or easy task, but we 194 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:57,040 understand that our responsibility is not not only to put on a festival where 195 00:14:53,920 --> 00:15:05,199 everyone feels welcome. But now you add on to that a festival where everyone 196 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:12,079 feels safe, thus the extra security. And you know, heaven forbid that 197 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:17,279 something happens at the festival, not only is it going to reflect poorly on 198 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:22,800 the festival itself, but people don't draw a distinction between festival and 199 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:28,959 city. They they view it all as in one bucket. 200 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:33,440 So if something does go wrong, does go bad, it's also reflective upon the city. 201 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:39,920 And we are going to do everything possible to keep our guests, our 202 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:45,120 vendors, and our volunteers safe. That's our responsibility. 203 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:50,399 And you know, whether this council proves it or not, we're going to have 204 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:58,320 the security. And the impact on that is it leaves less for us to give back to 205 00:15:54,399 --> 00:16:01,959 360 communities and the other nonprofits that we support. 206 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:09,600 Okay. So, in your statement of activity, 207 00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:11,680 » yes, that would be the next page. Yes. >> Yeah. 208 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,839 » Here's where you can see our detail. Well, 209 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,839 » Adam, you want to walk us through because 210 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:26,320 » as I was speaking to before, you can see in alpha order, the security line item, 211 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:29,680 as I was speaking before, is towards the bottom of what you're seeing right 212 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:35,040 there. And 213 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:41,040 um we do have the support of the city in um relation to some of the costs of our 214 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:47,600 entertainment. You can see uh probably 8 to 10 items above that. uh the 215 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:55,680 entertainment cost. Uh we are in partnership with the city and in the 216 00:16:50,880 --> 00:17:02,560 previous year we received reimbursement uh to the tune of $50,000 from the city 217 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:09,520 in in support of our festival. And if you look at a comparative numbers 218 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:15,520 from 23 at 48,000 to 24 to 55 and then the drop to 4,900 219 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:21,439 uh that is offset by the 50,000 from the city. Um and then for 26 220 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:26,160 the reimbursement from the city is included 221 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:32,799 in there. We, for transparency sake, we've prepaid $14,000 for fireworks for 222 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:37,840 our upcoming 26 event. That's why that looks high. But those are the 223 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,840 significant items as to the discussion today. 224 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:46,080 If there's any other questions, I can answer to the best of my ability. 225 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,520 » Did you say fireworks were included in your entertainment budget? 226 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:53,760 » Correct. >> Okay. 227 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:56,880 And that that reflects the 50,000 the city donated to the muster. 228 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,360 » Correct. >> So 24,000 229 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:08,000 that's so 10,000 of that is fireworks 230 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:11,840 » for the 2600 year. 14,000 of that is for fireworks 231 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,919 for the 26th [clears throat] event that has not yet happened. 232 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:22,080 » Just for comparability. So is the actual budget like 74 then and you're assuming 233 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,120 the 50,000 off of the 24? >> These are the actual give you the 24. 234 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:30,240 » These are the actuals. It's not necessarily the budgeted but where I'm 235 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:36,400 going with that is the amount that we spent in the fiscal year March 31st of 236 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:42,880 26 for the 25 event or related primarily to the 25 237 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:46,720 event is actually 10,000 not 24,000. 14 of it is related to the 26 event 238 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:50,720 upcoming. We prepaid that. >> So you got two two years in there. Then 239 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,200 » there's multiple. Yes. It it's an overlap of each year just for 240 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,679 comparative. >> What's your fiscal year then? 241 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,200 » March 31st. >> Okay. 242 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,880 » So this brings you to the end of your fiscal year then. 243 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,960 » Correct. >> All right. 244 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:12,320 » And what are you renting for60,000? Since you're in a park in Civic Center 245 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:17,679 Park, >> what are your rental your rental 246 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:22,000 expenses is 60,981. >> I don't know if Jason knows specifically 247 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,760 more in detail, but there is. >> So that's all the stuff we get from 248 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,440 crown. >> If I can ask a question, I'm sorry to 249 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:34,400 interrupt. I do not care to go through your budget line item by line item. 250 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:39,360 The city does not own this project. This is not ours to go through the 251 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:44,559 budget line item by line item. The only line item that we are concerned with to 252 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,600 talk about here tonight is about security. 253 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,760 » And I would hope that we can get back into this because otherwise we're going 254 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:56,799 to be here for several more hours. So, could we rope it back to the security 255 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:01,840 cost and focus in on that, please? >> Uh, I will be happy to do that. I was 256 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:07,120 just looking because they're asking for money. 257 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:09,520 And uh if that's the case you can John you said you can raise the money for 258 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:15,679 that. >> We are trying to 259 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,559 » it's a challenge. So right now >> we are behind target 260 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:25,679 » and you >> have a lot of expenses and what what we 261 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:33,039 do here is you know if uh you're you're asking for more money what can 262 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,760 you cut so that you can um provide the finances for your 263 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,240 » that is not the conversation we are having. The conversation is not about 264 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:44,640 what can you cut from your budget. The conversation is what are their security 265 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,080 costs? If then is council going to fund that or not fund that? That is the 266 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:53,919 discussion. >> Okay. If that's the case then yes. 267 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:59,760 » All due respect council member Schulz. This this festival gets $50,000 in cash 268 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:04,000 of taxpayer money plus another $118,000 in services. And I think it's uh our 269 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,360 duty to find out if that money is being spent properly. And so asking those 270 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,799 questions like I asked about the entertainment, I think that's that's 271 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:15,280 where the money goes. We need to know that. We have we have a [laughter] 272 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,240 » that really is not the discussion here. Oh, you that's 273 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,159 » you want to have a wider discussion about if they should get a dime from 274 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:28,880 this city is not the discussion council and if they should have to go over their 275 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:33,440 budget with council and ask for later that is not this discussion this 276 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:39,720 discussion is I am going to take this back and okay and and we're not going to 277 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,720 have 278 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:48,640 » a match people yelling at each other. So if the if we want to go to are we going 279 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:51,640 to fund this then that's a very easy conversation 280 00:21:51,760 --> 00:22:00,960 » do we want to fund now that because we are already funding it at 50,000 and 281 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:05,280 then the overhead on all of this for this festival is over a h 100,000 or and 282 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:10,480 more >> 168,000 283 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:15,440 » 168,000 in costs that the the people of Burnsville is paying for and you're 284 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,280 asking asking for more. So members of the council, 285 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,919 » we're not going to have the discussion and the answer is no. 286 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,640 » We can have a discussion about the security and in fact I believe they 287 00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:28,000 would like to present on the security and I would like to hear that portion of 288 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,400 it. We were able to hear that from our police and that was very helpful to 289 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:37,760 hear. I would like to hear specifically about the security from the festival and 290 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:42,240 I believe you have some some information that would be helpful to us in our 291 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:46,400 discussion. you have information that's going to be helpful for us to either 292 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:50,080 decide to fund it or not fund it. It wasn't in a budget. 293 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:53,840 » Understood. Yeah. No, I understand. I I mean the chiefs did a fine job of kind 294 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:58,159 of why we did it last year to really give the the proof of why this is 295 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:01,280 necessary. Um we obviously funded it through the festival last year because 296 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,799 we needed to and and it would definitely worked. Uh part of this is going back to 297 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,480 the policy to say how does this fit within it or is this going to be a 298 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:14,080 separate line item kind of to BJ's point of do we want to uh have the city then 299 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,080 take this on versus doing an a third party 300 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:28,559 » it's your festival you're a 501c3 you're responsible for the security of 301 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:32,720 your festival >> do do we have information on the legacy 302 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:37,440 policy Could we get a refresher on the legacy policy and what it is as regards 303 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:42,960 to regards to funding these festivals and 304 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:47,400 » Yeah, it's the policy is very clear. Bethany, can you pull it up please? 305 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:54,480 » Because it's very it's straightforward. >> We fund the festival at 50,000. ask 306 00:23:53,120 --> 00:24:01,600 Jason to >> we reimburse you for 50,000 but to have 307 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:07,320 public safety public works and parks all of that personnel is over and above the 308 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320 50,000 309 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:16,080 » Jason what is your understanding of the legacy policy as it relates to your 310 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,080 festival while they're pulling that up for us? 311 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:22,159 » Yeah, there's really two sections within here. one is definitely addressing the 312 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,520 50,000 or not to exceed 50,000, right, for entertainment, for the the fireworks 313 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:30,720 and the bands and stuff like that. There is another section, a paragraph in there 314 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,880 should be on page one that talks about for all legacy events, the city will 315 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:38,480 appoint a staff liaison. Um, but then it talks about the city will also 316 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:43,279 contribute to the cost of basic city services that'll support these police, 317 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:47,520 fire, public works, parks, equipment, labor, supplies, all of those things. So 318 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:51,120 this does fall under the umbrella of of police and that's why we're we're coming 319 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:54,720 to the table of asking like this is what the policy says whether it's right or 320 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:58,400 wrong. Um but this is a security matter for us that we know that we've got a 321 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,080 very good partnership with fire and police on this that have supported us 322 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:07,320 over the years. So, it's really that paragraph that really is the the point 323 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,320 of discussion. 324 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,320 » Is the word contribute? >> Excuse me. 325 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,400 » Is the word contribute? >> Yes. 326 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,360 » Okay. Not fully funded. >> No, it says contribute. Yeah. It's 327 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,120 ambiguous, right? It's a little open-ended. 328 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:33,400 » And we are contributing $118,000 in services. That's already perfect 329 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,400 festable to this point. 330 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,520 » And you want more? >> Actually, we're just we're coming here 331 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,240 for clarity really as well as hey, you know, we've got these added costs. We'd 332 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:47,279 like to bring it to the council to talk about it and how it applies to the the 333 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:51,159 policies and is there what what does that look like going forward? 334 00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:57,240 » Okay. Members of the council. 335 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:15,480 Well, I'll go first so I don't have to go last. Um, 336 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:26,159 this is the people's money, but I don't know if there's some 337 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:33,720 misunderstanding of what this is for. This is a community event for 338 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720 people 339 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:40,559 um, of Burnsville and the surrounding area. 340 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:47,120 This festival has been around for over 40 years. Um, 341 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:54,679 obviously these are things that they didn't really probably even think about 342 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,679 in the 1980s when they were doing this. 343 00:26:55,919 --> 00:27:06,640 And it would be a shame to see um this festival go away 344 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:12,080 because in my mind then that means that the bad guys kind of win that we that it 345 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:17,919 would have if have folded to the intimidation of crime and gang 346 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:21,320 activity and so on because that's really why we're here. 347 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,343 Um, I've been in John's role as a fundraiser 348 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,120 for this festival [cough and clears throat] 349 00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:37,840 years ago. Um, and it was hard then and it's probably even harder today with the 350 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:42,640 way the economy is. Um, the challenges today are much different 351 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:47,279 than they were in 2017. And so to just say go find more money, 352 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:55,120 go fund raise more, I think kind of oversimplifies the uphill task of of 353 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:59,600 what that is. Um, you know, as somebody that operates a business in Burnsville, 354 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:04,799 I get asked for money very very frequently 355 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:09,520 from different community groups. Um, 356 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:13,039 and so there's a usually a line of people asking for money, and the bigger 357 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:19,520 you are, probably the longer that line is. Um, and so I don't know what the 358 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:25,960 tolerance is for some of our larger businesses in town to just pony up more 359 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,960 money. Um, 360 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:35,360 so I do want to be sympathetic to the fact 361 00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:39,679 that the city does spend quite a bit of money on this festival, 362 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:44,320 but if we're going to contrast it to the other festivals, it's kind of in a 363 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:53,480 different category. It's a different type of festival. Um, it draws 364 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,480 a uniquely larger 365 00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:00,880 type of people. Um, 366 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:06,080 from kids to, you know, the people that are still hanging around at 11 that are 367 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:10,720 there to drink beer and play bingo. And there's just a wide swath of of people. 368 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Um, so I'm maybe rambling now, but 369 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:20,640 I'm not totally opposed to at least doing this on a one-year trial and 370 00:29:18,695 --> 00:29:26,640 [cough] see how it goes. And then maybe we revisit this in a year 371 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:31,679 and see if John can make headway in finding a security sponsor. 372 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:38,240 I don't know. >> Yeah. The other thing is we've also made 373 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:44,640 on the suggestion of public safety, we've made we've shifted, we've pivoted. 374 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:51,440 We took out the carnival. We've gone with a family fun zone with a 375 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:57,200 ninja course and more inflatables. We've got the area fenced in. So, we are 376 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:05,120 trying to do things as it relates to cost containments and crowd control. So, 377 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:09,840 we aren't running the festival as normal and saying, "Okay, now we need more 378 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:18,720 money." We've made adjustments to try to enhance the safety and security 379 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:23,520 of the festival. And uh there are people who may not be happy with some of the 380 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:29,760 changes we've made, but we're doing it for the betterment of the community, of 381 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:35,279 our guests, of our vendors, of our volunteers. 382 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:41,960 So, we are doing everything we can as relates to cost containments to and to 383 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,960 create a safe environment. 384 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,120 » Well, and that's going to make a big difference with the carnival gun. I 385 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,919 mean, I know speaking for myself, that's the one thing my kids look forward to 386 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:58,240 more than anything is the carnival. >> And I'm hearing it from my son 387 00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:02,559 constantly of no carnival this year and try to explain that we're doing we took 388 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:10,360 out the carnival from a public safety perspective. 389 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:10,360 So, we'll see what happens. 390 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:23,520 » Okay. Anyone else? Cara, >> I I I am happy about zero of this as 391 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:27,720 probably everyone can tell. Um, I 392 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:38,960 I think if I think if the city is going to put conditions on and I realize that 393 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:44,640 they were meant as suggestions, but it's it's never a suggestion when you're told 394 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:50,640 you need to beef up your security that it stops being a suggestion. Then um 395 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:53,640 when the city starts to put those parameters 396 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,279 um on these festivals and on these organizations, 397 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:05,279 there are also consequences not just to the 398 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:13,679 organization, not just to our residents and visitors, but to the city and and 399 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:18,080 how how our residents fund this as well. Um 400 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:25,120 I'm amendable to this year. I'm amendable to this year 401 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:29,840 helping with this and using the ensuing time to try to figure out a better 402 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:35,360 solution because my concern is some of our other festivals are going to even 403 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:40,320 though they're much smaller may start to see some of these parameters happening 404 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:45,600 with them. Maybe not. I don't know. Um but then we're looking at multiple 405 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:51,360 escalating costs which I am not interested in um 406 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:58,320 so for for this year I'm interested in this but what I would like for council 407 00:32:54,159 --> 00:33:04,240 to take up is the ambiguous relation ambiguous language 408 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:09,039 of the city will also contribute the cost of basic city services because that 409 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:13,919 is the problem that we're having right now is we have 410 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:18,399 vague language in our document on how to do this and 411 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,240 that's that's why we're having this discussion because 412 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:27,279 there was a suggestion of what we had to do cost rights but we do we don't have 413 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:33,840 in the policy clear language of how to do that. So 414 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:40,159 my suggestion to council like our work would be that we take this up and maybe 415 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:46,080 maybe clean that language up and then it's then it's not a well what do we do? 416 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:51,279 It's like we have clear-cut policies then. But maybe I'm alone in feeling 417 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:56,000 that our policy in that section is vague or maybe we do want it to be vague to 418 00:33:53,519 --> 00:34:00,159 have latitude. I'm I'm open to that discussion as well. 419 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,960 » Okay. Yes, Council Member Gustson. >> Um [clears throat] we're not talking 420 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:09,119 about ending the festival funding. We're talking about $18,000. 421 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:14,240 The rest of your funding is there. The services are there. the the festival has 422 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:17,839 known since last year that you needed additional security. I would assume the 423 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:22,320 board would have taken that up to make arrangements to make that happen without 424 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,320 coming to the city for more money. And that's really what we're talking about 425 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,919 here. And it's a you get a fair amount of money from us 426 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,879 already and I and I think you've been you've you already had to do it last 427 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,000 year so you knew it was coming. This is not a surprise to any of you and you 428 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:40,720 should and I think your board before they voted to do this should have voted 429 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:43,280 to make plans for adding the security because you're talking you're talking 430 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:45,919 about private security here. You're not talking about adding more police 431 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,599 officers and things like that. You're bringing you're bringing in machines the 432 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,280 city doesn't own either. So I mean there are there are different things that are 433 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:59,359 happening in that respect. And so it's it's your responsibility just like it is 434 00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:04,480 any any business out here like Buck Hill and that that does does uh concerts and 435 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,839 that public service tells them the same thing. They have certain things they 436 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,440 have to do to do these things and they do it. They have to pick up the cost and 437 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:16,160 they figure it in doing and they plan accordingly according to what they have 438 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:23,760 in their budget. And so for me it's an additional 18,000 at this point. No. 439 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:30,480 » Okay. Council member Keely, I'm according to uh February 12, 2024 um 440 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:35,280 legal council to us and this has to do with 441 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:42,640 the city council conflict of interest limitations. So I think at this point 442 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:47,599 you are the chair of an organization because the question was asked can a 443 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,640 council member who serve on the board of an [clears throat] organization that 444 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:56,000 would gain financial benefit from the council uh approval of an item uh bring 445 00:35:53,920 --> 00:36:01,599 the item to the council for discussion while uh abstaining from voting or 446 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:05,520 discussing the item themselves. Uh the question was also put forward that can a 447 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,760 council member who serves on the board of an organization that would gain 448 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:15,520 financial benefit from the council uh approve of an item discuss and vote on 449 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:25,280 the item. Both answers from the attorney is no and he cites state statute along 450 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:29,480 with that. Uh and also um legal um 451 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,800 um 452 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:41,520 opinions on all of that. So on both of that, I'm not going to ask you to 453 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,520 comment if you agree with that or >> I don't uh I have a comment to make. I 454 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,640 will not be recusing myself from this vote because there is no conflict of 455 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480 interest in my opinion. >> Okay. 456 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,920 » First, I serve on the Burnsville Festival strictly as a 100% unpaid 457 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:59,280 volunteer, meaning I have no personal financial stake whatsoever in this 458 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,160 decision. >> Second, the additional security was not 459 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:08,640 requested by our board. It was recommended by the city's public safety 460 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:12,560 representatives. Under the city's established legacy policy event, the 461 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:17,119 city is responsible for public safety and public works costs for approved 462 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:21,040 community legacy events. Buck Hill is not a legacy event because the 463 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,440 Burnsville Festival is designated as a legacy event and by the by far the 464 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:30,480 largest uh with the lowest cost per attendee uh funding compared to the only 465 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,040 remaining festival, the international festival. Um, it aligns with our 466 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,280 standard policy and my participation is entirely 467 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:43,599 consistent with past practice. City council members who volunteer their time 468 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:49,520 on boards or legacy festivals have not recused themselves 100% of the time when 469 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:52,560 this kind of thing comes before us, including you, Madame Mayor, with the 470 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:58,400 international festival. I think it's only fair given that no interest in the 471 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:05,119 volunteer, no interest in the nonprofit either. You don't. Dan didn't in his uh 472 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:10,000 legacy festival other than a desire to give our own personal time to help 473 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,920 just like every other volunteer does for these community events. 474 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,320 I will be voting on this. >> Okay. 475 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,720 » And I will comment more if necessary, but I'm I'm good with what's been said. 476 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:26,400 » Okay. Um I don't serve on the board of the International Festival, but I do 477 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:35,119 help raise money for them. I uh but I don't come here and ask for money. 478 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:42,400 Um, I voted against the uh the the the legacy um 479 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:47,520 amount 50,000 to the Burnsville Festival and 10,000 to the International Festival 480 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:54,079 and uh the arts and all that jazz was not was not in 481 00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:01,040 was not active anymore and I voted against that. So for me, because it is 482 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:08,000 about the people's money, it is a 501c3 and it is a wonderful event for our 483 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:14,400 community and I hope that it continues and that um 484 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:21,520 there is money from the people. This is the people's money. It's not a 485 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:27,280 bank account that comes out of the air somewhere. Mayor, we are very very aware 486 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:32,160 that this is the people's money that we're asking for that is not lost on 487 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:38,079 this board or the >> my partners up here and we will continue 488 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:43,920 to work post festival during festival >> with public safety 489 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:50,720 » on any adjustments that we need to make to make the festival 490 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:58,160 safe and secure. But we do not take this request for granted and we had a lot of 491 00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:04,720 discussions about it. But it it's it's an expense that didn't exist 492 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:09,200 three or four years ago. This is new and maybe the threat is maybe being a little 493 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:15,359 bit greater, but we do take it that we are asking for the people's money and we 494 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:19,440 will be proper guardians of that money. 495 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:25,920 that you need to be proper guide guardians of the safety of the festival. 496 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:33,599 Our public safety personnel have done an assessment risk and that even though 497 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:41,200 things change in our in our society, in our country, things change, people make 498 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:47,280 adjustments. So this is part of the festival's responsibility 499 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:52,000 and it it's like uh anything else but the thing is 500 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:56,400 this is not there is not an approval on a budget for 501 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,760 this which means it has to have an amendment to the budget. 502 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,880 » Understood. >> Yeah. 503 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:08,319 And this is um 504 00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:15,200 for me I voted against it and I'm going to also do the same thing because for me 505 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:21,359 it's statutoily our fiduciary responsibility is public 506 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:27,920 safety. It's what our police and fire do each and every day to keep the community 507 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:33,119 safe. P public works. Make sure that every infrastructure above and below the 508 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:40,880 ground, all those assets, that's what the people are expecting us to take care 509 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:45,760 of. Our 76 parks, that's what the people expect of us to take care of. That's 510 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:54,319 what they're making their tax pay uh their taxes pay for. all of our um 511 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:58,160 economic development and community development aspects 512 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,119 » everything that we need to do >> call the question 513 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,880 » okay I will call [laughter] the question we've heard that 514 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:10,400 » yes and I think so the question is do we fund this but I want the people to 515 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:16,560 understand where this is coming from so the question is called um do we want to 516 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:23,599 fund the $18,000 that the festival is asking for. And 517 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:28,880 with that is the uh recommendation from staff that it is 518 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:34,000 if we're going to find the money for it because we don't know where the money is 519 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:38,280 coming from. It's not budgeted. We're going to have to find that $18,000. 520 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:47,760 So the question is, do we fund it? Then we have to come back with an amendment 521 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:55,119 to the budget as to what then are we going to take away to fund the $18,000. 522 00:42:51,520 --> 00:43:00,240 So nobody wants the festival to go away, but 523 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:05,359 there are some expenses that in putting on a festival like this that you have to 524 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:13,680 then own. So the question is do we want to fund 525 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:19,760 it? And with that is um Chief Jungman, your recommendation was that the city is 526 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:24,000 um takes control of that contract with the security. 527 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,760 » Madame Mayor, members of the council, staff would does not have a 528 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:33,200 recommendation. staff would just say for consideration. There's I if the city's 529 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:37,440 going to fund it, the best practice in this situation would be for the city to 530 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:43,680 to execute the contract and pay for that directly. If if the city is funding it, 531 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,839 » madam mayor, >> yes, 532 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,800 » when someone calls to question, there is no more discussion and [cough] you have 533 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:53,200 the thing. >> We have proceeded to lead the discussion 534 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,400 that should not be taking place. >> I'm going to ask for the second time. I 535 00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:01,760 called the question. >> The question is called so who is there's 536 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:04,640 a motion to uh fund it >> and there been a motion to fund it. 537 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,880 » I I did not >> there might have been if I haven't heard 538 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:12,800 a motion because the question the question isn't however you call the 539 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,040 questioning chair of the meeting has not respected that and continued the 540 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440 dialogue. >> Don't you need a motion in a second to 541 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,480 call the question? >> So the who is making the motion 542 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,520 » the question stops discussion. >> Who is making the motion so that then 543 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,640 the question can be called? >> I will make the motion. No, 544 00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:32,240 » I will make the motion. The motion that I will make, although this is not a 545 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:36,960 formal vote because we are in a work session. So, this is a 546 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:42,079 » we can vote formally in this out there. It's more televised, 547 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,960 » but we still need to do the vote later to amend the budget. Correct. 548 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:48,960 » That's correct. Different. >> Is that correct, city manager 549 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,319 » or no? Yeah. Uh, Council Member Schultz, Madame Mayor, members of the council, it 550 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,240 would be my recommendation, and this would be similar to what we've done in 551 00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:01,680 past legacy event conversations, that we would bring back a budget amendment to 552 00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:04,800 memorialize the council's direction from tonight's discussion. 553 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:13,119 » Perfect. Thank you. Okay. So, the motion I will make is that we fund the $18,000 554 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:18,319 for security for this legacy event for one year. 555 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:21,680 Uh, and that is the motion that is on the table. 556 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:29,680 I will need a second. >> Um, does that include that staff uh 557 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:35,200 provide if if it's funded that it's staff that will execute the um contract 558 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,880 » contract is currently executed. We'll cancel it and the city will take it 559 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,480 over. >> Does that work? That will not create a 560 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,520 problem with the contract. >> Not a problem. 561 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:45,920 » Okay, I accept that amendment. >> Okay. And who 562 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,720 » I'll second that. >> There's a motion in a second. All in 563 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,599 favor, please say I. >> I. 564 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:54,400 » Uh oppose say nay. >> Nay. 565 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,319 » And so that this clerk have the division of the house. 566 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,480 » I do, madam. >> Okay. 567 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,920 But this isn't done because we have to find the money because we have to amend 568 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:07,520 the budget. >> Half of it's covered by the art and all 569 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,400 that jazz allocation of 10,000. That's not going to be used. 570 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,240 » You haven't used it for years. >> For two years. Oh, then it's all 571 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,319 covered. >> So it's not there. So it 572 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:21,839 » just because it's not used doesn't mean that it it was budgeted. 573 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,760 » Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 574 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:28,520 » Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council, for listening to us. 575 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:28,520 » Thank you. 576 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:52,560 » Okay. The next item on the agenda is violent crime reduction unit. 577 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:55,440 Um, presenting is uh, Chief Matt Smith. You're recognized and the floor is 578 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,319 yours. >> All right. Thank you, Madame Mayor, 579 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:04,560 members of the council. I am uh, going to talk about the Violent 580 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:09,040 Crime Reduction Unit. Uh, the Minnesota State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension 581 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:13,680 has had this unit running for the past three, three and a half years. It's a 582 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:18,640 statewide task force that investigates violent crime, illegal firearms, and 583 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:22,640 organized criminal activity, and it it really supports the city's 584 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,560 broader violent crime reduction strategy. I think, as we've just been 585 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,200 talking about, we are concerned about violent crime, and this is an 586 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:36,800 opportunity for us to be part of a proactive unit. We know that violent 587 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:42,000 crime and and criminals there there are no borders for that. And so this would 588 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:47,040 allow us to bring an investigator to the BCA's task force and really again 589 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,040 proactively get after some of this violent crime. 590 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,863 Like I mentioned, the the VC crew, as they call it, was created 591 00:47:52,208 --> 00:47:57,440 [cough and clears throat] in 2023 [laughter] using state legislative 592 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:02,640 funding. It's a multi- agency task force that combines local, county, and state 593 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:07,440 law enforcement resources. And it would support regional investigations. And an 594 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:12,800 added benefit is is information sharing. Our 595 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:17,760 participation, if approved, would be we would assign one investigator full-time 596 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:21,839 to the BCA's V crew. It's a three-year commitment through a joint powers 597 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,480 agreement. And this investigator would support these regional investigations 598 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:32,240 involving violent crime, narcotics, trafficking, homicide, and more. 599 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:37,040 The benefits of this of joining this program, it strengthens Burnsville's 600 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:40,800 ability to address violent crime. uh should we have an incident here in 601 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:45,760 Burnsville, this unit would be able to dispatch investigators out to assist us 602 00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:50,160 also. At the same time, our investigator would also take on Burnsville case as 603 00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:54,079 well, part of this unit. So, in that way, it expands our investigative 604 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:58,079 capacity and gives us access to more regional resources. 605 00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:02,480 Again, working that closely with local, county, and state partners, it improves 606 00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,160 our coordination with them. And once again, it supports the ongoing city 607 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:11,400 council priorities related to community safety and violent crime reduction. 608 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:18,559 The BCA, the state is offering to pay salary and benefits for this person, 609 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:24,319 including overtime reimbursement of up to $21,000 annually. They will also pay 610 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:29,119 for the vehicle, computer, phone, any travel that would be necessary as part 611 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:32,119 of this this endeavor, uh, and any training. 612 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:39,119 If we were approved to do this, we we recognize the importance of this 613 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:43,520 proactive opportunity. We also don't want to rob Peter to pay Paul. We would 614 00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:47,920 like to provide an investigator to this without having to take from one of our 615 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,319 other divisions being patrol or investigations. So our request would be 616 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:58,319 to backfill that assigned investigator position within the department 617 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:01,520 by adding an FTE. If state funding were to end in the future, we would stabbing 618 00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:08,480 impacts would be managed through attrition. We are fairly confident that 619 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:12,400 it will be funded again. So the consideration for council is does 620 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,200 the city council council wish to participate in the violent crime 621 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:20,480 reduction unit through a joint powers agreement and if so does the council 622 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:25,480 council wish to approve a state-f funded budgetneutral FTE with a budget 623 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480 amendment 624 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:36,359 » okay >> with that I will take any questions or 625 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,359 any questions 626 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,200 Yes, >> Madam Mayor, I love it. I think it's a 627 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:45,520 great idea given the circumstances [cough] that were laid out in our prior 628 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:50,319 prior issue about the trends in Minnesota, in our community, and others. 629 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:54,960 Uh the city has to beef up like we have for the last three years by adding 15 630 00:50:52,559 --> 00:51:01,200 additional police officers. We have to be beef up our men and women on the 631 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:06,079 street in the boots on the ground and participate in joint efforts like this 632 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:10,800 that can help uh continue to keep our city safe and thwart the trends that are 633 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,720 sweeping the nation unfortunately. >> Okay, any other comments? 634 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:17,225 » I think it was a great idea. >> Okay, 635 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:22,960 » I [snorts] agree. Um and I'm happy [cough] that it's with the BCA. I think 636 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:28,160 they're doing a very good job in the state right now. Um, 637 00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:31,800 and it's a solid group to partner with on something like this. 638 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:40,319 » This is a great idea because we also are part of another joint powers agreement 639 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,800 with the county um where we're looking at all of the 640 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:49,920 other criminal activity. But with this one, the BCA is paying for the person. 641 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:54,480 This is the big difference between the two, but they're both going to help us a 642 00:51:52,559 --> 00:52:00,800 great deal. This one, they're going to pay the salary and benefits, and that's 643 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,319 what our I want our uh residents to understand about this. It's a great 644 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,720 idea. It's good for all of us, but they're also funding that position. And 645 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:16,800 um and then what we need to do is backfill while that individual is out. 646 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,761 But because we're not funding this individual, because the BCA is funding 647 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,319 it, we can back that. [cough and clears throat] 648 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,319 » So, >> Madame Mayor, members of council, that's 649 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,880 correct. And I we do appreciate all of the support we've had over the last 650 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,040 several years. >> And like you said, this will add to 651 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,000 that. >> Yeah. 652 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:37,359 » I I didn't mention we would be the only agency represented from Dakota County on 653 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:42,319 this task force as well. >> I know. Congratulations. Out of all of 654 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:47,839 the cities that they talked to, they chose Burnsville. Well, that says 655 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:53,520 something about the quality uh and the expertise of our officers and the work 656 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,839 that we do and how we deliver it. So, congratulations. 657 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,640 » Thank you, Madam Mayor. >> Madame Mayor, I I think it also speaks 658 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:05,301 to how crappy the other cities are and how wonderful we are. So, we should 659 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,321 always just put that out there. Haha. [laughter] 660 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:19,056 No, the other cities do very well as as well, but we we our heads and shoulders 661 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:24,160 above. [cough] 662 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:28,640 So, thank you. So, um what we're going to do then is that uh 663 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,440 this will come back then for formal approval at a council meeting 664 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,319 » of the >> Madame Mayor, members of the council, 665 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:39,599 this would come back at next Tuesday, the 16th council meeting. Okay, very 666 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:46,480 good. I'm glad that we [clears throat] put this on um work session so the 667 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,680 community can learn about it because this will be on a consent 668 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,839 agenda. >> Madame Mayor, I I would agree. We were 669 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:59,040 we did want people to hear about this because it is such a a great opportunity 670 00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:02,720 » for us to supply this investigator to the BCA and be part of this proactive. I 671 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,400 think that's the important word here, too. proactive unit to go after violent 672 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,640 crime >> and that's and that's what we're doing 673 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,040 with everything is really understanding because all of us want violent crime off 674 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:19,599 the streets and so this is good thank you 675 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:23,760 » okay >> madam mayor members of the council so I 676 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:29,040 clear on direction I think that I'm hearing the council is unanimously 677 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:35,359 supportive of participation and the state funded FTE budget amendments Yes. 678 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,359 » Um uh is the council agreeable to that as a consent agenda item? 679 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,440 » Yeah. >> Yes. Next Tuesday, right? 680 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,520 » Yeah. Because um >> the background is such 681 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:52,319 » Yeah. The background is was very clear that BCA is going to fund our our 682 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,800 officer salary and benefits. 683 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:59,599 » Madam Mayor, members of the council, that is correct. Um the budget amendment 684 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:03,760 will reflect um I as city manager don't have the authority to add an FTE to the 685 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:09,680 budget. So it will reflect an amendment for an FTE. Uh it will also uh reflect 686 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:14,000 an amendment uh to the budget for the expenditures that would be associated 687 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:18,000 with that FTE and then the reimbursement revenues in the budget. So uh to make 688 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:21,520 sure that we're dotting our eyes and crossing our tees from a finance 689 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,760 perspective. >> Well done. Okay. 690 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,359 Very [cough] good. Thank you for bringing it to work 691 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,960 session so our community can learn about it. 692 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,359 » Thank you, >> madame mayor. Thank you. 693 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:41,040 » Thank you. Uh the next item is the civility pledge. Um Bethany. 694 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,800 » Uh good evening, Madame Mayor and members of the council. The I am uh here 695 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:49,040 to talk to you about the civility pledge. If you recall, just a few short 696 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,799 months ago on April 14th at your round table discussion, the city council 697 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:57,200 directed staff to schedule this work session discussion. Um so you could talk 698 00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,559 about the possibility of um moving forward with the civility pledge. Uh 699 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:04,240 that is of course some resources. The National League of Cities um shares 700 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,680 these resources and encourages cities to adopt local pledges aimed at 701 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:13,520 strengthening respectful public discourse. Um and in your packet tonight 702 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,440 and I have some extra copies here if anyone needs. Um there's a couple 703 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:22,000 resources that the NLC provides for these. There's a template um 704 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:26,079 proclamation that um you know it's to lead with civility, dignity, respect. So 705 00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:31,680 there's a template that cities can use as a suggestion. And then there's also 706 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:36,559 um both a poster and and like a handout plaque um placard for something the 707 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,319 dignity index which is an eight-point scale that measures what we do when we 708 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,200 disagree. So that was the resources that council member Keley shared and that 709 00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:46,400 we're bringing back to you tonight for really your discussion. So just again 710 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,000 bringing this back based on your direction. um and asking if the city 711 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,760 council would like to adopt a civility pledge for it meet its meetings and 712 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,760 interactions 713 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,240 » discussion. 714 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:10,359 I didn't really have an issue with this the last time we talked about it. 715 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,880 » Yes, >> I'll go. So, council, do you have a 716 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,760 cough drop? Anything? >> I have one in my mouth. Sorry, man. 717 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:25,359 » It's not working. >> It's just No, it's not working. 718 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,839 » I do think we should adopt this. I think all cities should adopt this. Um, I do 719 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:34,000 believe that civility is not a sign of weakness. It's a foundation for 720 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:41,280 effective leadership and I think we uh exemplify that even when we disagree and 721 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:46,640 have a healthy debate. Um I I we don't need to see eye to eye on every 722 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:50,480 issue and every vote. Clearly we don't. But that also is a sign of a healthy 723 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,880 debate. So 724 00:57:52,079 --> 00:58:02,079 um you know we can still work hand in hand as we do almost all the time. To me 725 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:09,040 this this pledge is very simple. It puts public service back ahead of political 726 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:14,079 theater. And I think at the municipal level, this is where the rubber meets 727 00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:16,559 the road in civility. I'm in support of this. 728 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,359 » Okay. >> I just want to know that we're going to 729 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:22,359 live by it if we do this. 730 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:33,119 » Yeah. So I think all of us agree that we all need to be civil 731 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:38,079 and uh we have lived in Burnsville 732 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:46,240 and have [cough and clears throat] really nurtured a culture of civility 733 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:53,359 and values not only on the council uh values that are in this 734 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:58,160 uh chambers but also the values within the organization 735 00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:08,240 and then how our people exemplify that in our community and how 736 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:12,640 our residents experience that um civil 737 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:19,520 compassionate and 738 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:26,240 kindness in the way that uh our staff works with people. So, if we're going to 739 00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:30,799 um do this proclamation, I would ask my colleagues on a council that we 740 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:38,160 acknowledge the work that Burnsville has done in the wherees that it's not we're 741 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:44,480 just not doing this just because this came about because of all of the 742 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:49,839 activities uh on political violence across the country. 743 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:54,799 Burnsville has been working on this. I want that to be acknowledged as the 744 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:59,839 first whereas the second whereas need to acknowledge the work that this 745 00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:08,880 organization has been doing all along to create a culture of civility and values 746 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:15,839 that deal with truth and compromise and so forth takes a long time to do that. 747 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:22,240 the things that we do whether it's the festivals or um what we do in our parks 748 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:28,000 how we engage with our people we've been doing that I want a whereas that 749 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:33,760 acknowledges all of that and then we can say now therefore because 750 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:46,000 uh the US conference of mayors uh council member Keley um back in 751 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:51,119 March of uh of this of last year adopted 752 01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:57,440 a declaration that reaffirms commitment to American values of pluralism, 753 01:00:53,440 --> 01:01:02,640 compromise, truth, and civility. So, we signed all of that. 754 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:09,760 So I would like for the now for the now therefore the city of Burnsville 755 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:15,839 uh supports the civility pledge 756 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:23,680 because we've been doing all of that and so we're saying yeah that fits but I 757 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:28,640 would like the different whereas as um um Bethany and but um 758 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:32,799 » madam mayor city manager I think this was made A comment was made I think by 759 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:36,400 me the last time when I brought this up. I think this is building upon what we 760 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,480 already have and so I agree 100% with your comment. 761 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:45,280 » Yeah. And that's so um city manager Lindberg 762 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:49,200 in terms of the proclamation and the different whereases and then the now 763 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:53,520 therefore we 764 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:59,160 » I think we can maybe staff should work on some language draft and then bring 765 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,160 » on the proclamation. 766 01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:06,880 Everybody agrees with that on the >> what you how you added to that. Yes. 767 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:10,319 » Yeah. Because I think I don't want to lose what we just because 768 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,720 » nobody does. Absolutely not. >> We have done a lot. 769 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,640 » Yeah. Okay. Terra is Yeah. So everybody's thumbs up. 770 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:23,119 » City manager, are we okay with putting together a 771 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:26,640 proclamation? Uh madame mayor, members of the council, yes, we can absolutely 772 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,880 put together [cough] a proclamation to uh reflect the council's conversation 773 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:35,200 and commitment to civility um and our our unique past history related to the 774 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,520 conversation. That is not a problem at all. 775 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:42,079 » Uh for the council's information, we do have a policy that that says that staff 776 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:46,400 and the mayor coordinate uh proclamations. Uh I could bring a 777 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:51,520 proclamation back to the council at a work session for further discussion. Um 778 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,319 I don't know if the city clerk has >> just one small point. I believe it's a 779 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:57,760 resolution. >> A resolution not a proclamation. 780 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:03,119 » Okay. >> So we can figure out those you know 781 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,760 » which which which tool are we using a resolution to proclamation to 782 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,480 » is that correct? >> Yeah. 783 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:10,559 » Yeah. >> Whatever whatever is the correct tool 784 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,160 for us to use. >> Okay. 785 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:18,079 » But the now therefore but don't ever miss the things that we're doing. I 786 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:21,599 don't want that. And really at the at the end of the day, Madame Mayor 787 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,079 Council, it's it's your choice. Be it a proclamation or a resolution. We can we 788 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,359 can [clears throat and cough] approach it either way. 789 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,799 » Yeah. >> Well, how about if we take a look and 790 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,960 see which is the appropriate tool? >> Mac, just so I'm understanding, were you 791 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,400 suggesting that the from your perspective the more appropriate course 792 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:42,079 of action would be a resolution? >> Um, isn't and I was just double checking 793 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:45,520 what we have in the agenda packet is a proposed resolution. Correct. It's 794 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:49,359 actually a sorry the >> there is a nope it's it's 795 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,240 » there is neither in the >> it it doesn't matter 796 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,640 » I'll I'll look up to see how this is handled 797 01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:59,760 » in other cities and we'll bring it back >> staff if if the council is comfortable 798 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,000 and agreeable staff will look at the appropriate mechanism and draft some 799 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:07,920 language and I'll come back to you uh with a a proposed path forward that is 800 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,520 most efficient and effective whether that be another work session 801 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:15,280 conversation or uh we bring that to a regular agenda conversation of the 802 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:18,000 council. Uh we can [laughter] we can make that determination and communicate 803 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,359 in the future. >> All right. Very good. 804 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:23,440 » Agreeable. >> Yep. Yep. It's a good path forward. 805 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:31,760 » I like it. >> All right. Thank you so much. All right. 806 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:35,359 Um and now the next item is roundt. There's nothing on round table. So 807 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:39,280 reports. Vince. >> I got nothing. 808 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,440 » Cara, >> nothing. 809 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:43,359 » Okay. And I have nothing. >> Quick question. Quick question. 810 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:47,599 » Holiday. >> When will that come back uh to the 811 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:52,160 council? Roughly. >> I'm I'm leaving for the NLC leadership 812 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:56,799 uh in early June. And I'm just curious if this 813 01:04:52,720 --> 01:05:01,200 » it'll probably be done in July. >> Would it come back? 814 01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:05,599 » The next work session is July. >> Is that likely how it would come back as 815 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,480 a work session or a >> finished product ready for a council 816 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,200 regular council meeting? >> That's fine. Whichever way. I just want 817 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,280 to get an idea. >> Yeah. Yeah, if there's a if there's a 818 01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:17,839 timing, we can our next meeting is >> I don't think there's a timing. 819 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:22,960 » No, not so much. I just want to be able to represent the city of Burnsville that 820 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,400 we have uh adopted or will be adopting. Right. That 821 01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:27,599 » either way, >> I think you can say that already. 822 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,400 » Yes, >> we're putting it together. We we 823 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,799 discussed it and >> I do think there is a very efficient 824 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,960 path forward here, Mayor Council. I I don't think this is complicated. So, 825 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:43,200 » okay. Thank you. That's good to know. And there are a lot of eyes watching. 826 01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:47,839 There are a lot of cities taking this discussion up around the country. Um and 827 01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:50,559 many know that we are talking about it tonight. So I just wanted to uh 828 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:55,440 » well >> get a sense as to when we would bring it 829 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:59,359 back for that final proc or re. >> Yeah. Because you know it's something 830 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,039 that everybody's talking about. >> Yeah. 831 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:10,000 » Dan, I mean we took this up at the US Conference of Mayors last um March. So, 832 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:14,880 » so did we uh you know and we all signed the declaration but it continues to move 833 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:20,160 forward. >> Okay. If there's nothing else, um 834 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:23,119 Michelle, do you have anything? >> Take it to baseball. 835 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:27,740 » Okay. If there is nothing else to come before us, we stand adjourned by 836 01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,740 acclamation. [clears throat]