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Good evening everyone. It is now 6:30
and I will call this budget work session

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of the Burnsville City Council to order.
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meetings web page and in the council
agenda packet. This is a budget work

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session and we go directly to our
agenda. And the first item on the agenda

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is the capital improvement plan review.
And Jenny Rodia, our deputy city manager

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and CFO, is presenting. Jenny, the floor
is yours. Thank you. Um, good evening,

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Madame Mayor and Council members.
Tonight,

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we will uh be reviewing the capital
improvement plan during this budget work

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session. Um, this is the proposed plan
for 2027 through 2031.

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We'll start out with capital studies. In
2023, as we were preparing for the 2024

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budget, we realized there was additional
information that really we needed to

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help um make short-term and long-term
capital decisions. So, we identified six

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studies at that time um to really help
in data-driven decision- making um and

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then we over the course of the last two
years, we've we've um identified seven

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more. So for a total of 13, we've been
working through those studies over the

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past couple of years and we anticipate
completion of all of the studies in time

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for the 2028 budget. So certainly we
have a majority of them completed at

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this time, but there will be a couple
more um coming at the year end. So um

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all of those will be completed by the
time we're um preparing for 2028's

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budget.
They also include ongoing updates. So,

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as we're as we are um carrying these
forward, we're updating those and

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managing that data in a way that we can
keep them updated and keep utilizing

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them for future capital plans.
The first group of the first group of

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six studies are on this slide. Um those
were um finalized and discussed um from

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2024 through 2025 with the fleet study
being the the last one completed last

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December.
The other seven that were identified um

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we're still working through with um two
that you saw earlier this evening. The

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city-owned property study and the
sidewalk trail study and then the parks

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camera and lighting study is planned for
October and the street light study is

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planned for December.

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Our 2027 plan uh the financial
management plan identified a 7.69

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year-over-year tax increase. that does
um match the last and final year of the

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non-binding resolution from the 2023
budget. Um we are currently balancing

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the budget to that target.
Certainly over that five years and and

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continue we we still have unpredictable
condition conditions right now that are

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that are challenging that budget but we
feel what we're presenting tonight is

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really responsible to support operations
and future planning in including the for

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the capital funds

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in 2027 we are continuing to see
inflationary pressures although in some

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areas they've flattened out we are
definitely still seeing those especially

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um tonight in some of our capital funds
as well as operations

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um increasing demand for services
and uncertainty around federal and state

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grant grants and funding um
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that continues.
Uh there there is also a proposed um OM

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uniform guidance revision that really
does govern federal grants and

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administration and that is expected to
be implemented later on this year and

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that's expected to have some significant
changes for local governments in the way

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um federal grants are administered and
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» J what kind of services are we starting
to see increased demand for? Um I think

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across our really across our public
safety but as well as even you know in

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our other areas, parks, public works,
right? There just really is um an

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increased an increased overall demand
and that is definitely putting pressure

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in the capital on us on the capital
areas as well as operations.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. I also see in the um [snorts] city

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manager's um
weekly report that we're getting zero in

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LGA,
>> correct?

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» In 27.
>> Yep.

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» So, we're going to have to backfill on I
think it vehicles vehicles were part of

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that.
>> Yep. And we'll talk about that a little

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bit um as we talk about that fund. So
we'll touch on that your realities and

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» um and this really we feel like this
plan prioritizes and continues to

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prioritize um what we need for a
sustainable future going forward last

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year.
>> The overall capital plan for all capital

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purchases um this is a bar showing kind
of the the planned investments in each

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year. Um total across all five years is
about $217 million. that is about a 12%

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or 20 $23 million increase over last
year. Um two of the funds um that have

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the majority of increases are the water
and sewer fund with about 9.5 million

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and the ITF fund with about 9.5 million
increased projects. And I'll talk a

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little bit more in depth about those
plans um when we get to those funds. But

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um overall an increase um this doesn't
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that budget was in 2025, but it does
include an estimate in 2028 for um fire

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Um just as a matter of reminder, the
levy um [clears throat] we have seven

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levy funded capital funds um their
forestry infrastructure trust fund um

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improvement construction, street
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and vehicle and information technology.
So those those capital funds are

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primarily funded and supported by the
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» Mayor, just one question. The difference
between can you delineate the difference

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between the infrastructure trust and
street maintenance fund?

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» Yeah. Yeah. So, the infrastructure trust
fund is really used for um major street

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improvement projects where we're doing
reconstruction, rehabilitation,

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um those kinds of, you know, we're
replacing the road in essence,

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» significant overhauls.
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um right-of-way maintenance and that
kind of routine year-over-year type of

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projects.
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reconstruction, rehabilitation and

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reclamation.
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» Like replacing assets where the
maintenance is just

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» kind of annual upkeep.
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» Yep.
>> Street sweep sweep.

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» Um then these funds are special revenue
and enterprise funds. So these funds

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also have um significant capital
purchases with within them and they are

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funded really through other types of
fees um whether that be charges for

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services, franchise fees or um utility
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Um the first fund we'll talk about in
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this fund um is informed and [snorts]
the investment um in the CIP is informed

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by the parks plan that was actually our
first capital plan completed in 2024.

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Um we're really prioritizing the
replacement of condition one and two

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items that were identified in that plan.
Um with safety being a priority as well

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as when there are are nonrelevant
amenities that are end of life, we'll

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remove those. Um there's been additional
studies and there will continue to be a

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couple of additional studies that will
continue to inform future projects in

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parks.
In terms of our progress on condition

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one and two assets, we do maintain a
parks asset management dashboard. That's

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a live database that reflects the status
of park assets. Um condition

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description, um CIP, year planned, those
kinds of things. It's a live database

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though that reflects the status of park
assets at a point in time. So as um it

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includes both operational and capital
items. So while it includes those that

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are in this capital plan, it also
includes assets that would be replaced

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as part of operational maintenance um
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The original plan in 2024 identified 293
condition one and two assets

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and about $7 million.

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And [snorts] as um as assets continue to
deteriorate or are improved, those

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condition scores are updated. So it is
kind of a constantly changing database.

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Project years are updated after the CIP
is approved. So once we have a CIP, if

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we've um added any projects or switched
or maybe we've shifted years, we make

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sure to update that once once the CIP is
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The major projects in the parks
renovation fund for 2027 are listed

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here. Um, Alamagnet East parking lot
replacement is a condition one asset

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that is the largest um individual
project that actually was um I believed

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moved forward or shifted forward a year
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is a majority or a big percentage of of
the increases in or the projects I

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should say in 2027. Um, we have a few
projects at Echo Park, a playground

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replacement, a tennis court replacement,
a parking lot and trail. Those are both

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one and two condition assets. So that I
forgot to say the number behind just

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indicates their condition score. So one
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average condition assets.
>> Jenny Garrett Laban picnic shelters. Are

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these the ones in the park or the ones
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Um,
Madame Mayor, these would be the uh ones

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that are more for uh the picnicking to
the north, not by the athletic fields.

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» Yeah. So, they're down in in the park,
not up at the athletic campus.

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» Yep.
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» Do we have do we have the uh money in
the fund for this now? Is it in the

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parks fund now? So, that this is money
that we have set.

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» Correct. This is in the capital
improvement plan. That's what you want

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to make sure.
>> Yep.

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» Madam Mayor,
>> the Alamagnet East parking lot. Uh I

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think I know what it So the the west
would be the first smaller one as you

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come into the park. The east one is is
Are we talking about the entire length

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of where parking starts all the way to
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» Is that that entire area is considered
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» by the dog park?
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» That that parking strip by the dog park.
[clears throat] Yeah. Starting at the

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dog park going all the way to the north.
>> Gotcha.

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» Yeah, that's subual.
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» that's a monster parking lot.
>> That's why it's 1.2 million. [snorts]

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» It's in rough shape.
>> Thank you.

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» Um, so as we put the financial plan, the
five-year plan together for the budget,

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some key assumptions. Um, there was a 3%
increase in the property tax levy in

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2027. [clears throat] um for future
years as we as we um developed developed

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the finance plan, we included 6% a 6%
levy rising to 10% by 2031. That isn't

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overall. Keep in mind that's not
overall. That's just within this fund.

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Um if we looked at five-year average
annual expenditures, uh they're about

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$3.3 million, but our five-year average
annual revenues were about 3.1. And that

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does include um this increase investment
in the property tax levy. The average

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levy is about $1.3 million a year. So we
have about $2 million a $2 million

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um difference.
A majority of that currently is covered

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by landfill host community fees um that
are expected to be about $1.7 million in

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2027.
Um as we look at that fee while that's

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is covering a majority that is covering
a big portion of those parks investments

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we do know that host community agreement
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um will continue sorry we'll continue
through landfill capacity and that was

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originally estimated in a to be
approximately 10 years. So, as we think

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about this fund going forward, we wanted
to start making some small increases in

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the property tax levy so that when host
fees do decline, we'll have revenue to

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um make up that difference
>> and that'll get to all of the one and

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twos that we need to get done.
>> We will be prioritizing those certainly

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more. We have a large number of category
3 assets kind of those average assets

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» because that's coming up. So we know
that that will continue

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» thinking about the one and twos.
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» Okay.
>> So we know that will come be one and

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twos but we will continue that
investment. So we wanted to make sure we

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were starting to think about you know
the future levy once host fees do

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decline and that we're going to be in a
place where where we don't have a big

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shortfall. [clears throat]

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Parks visioning. Um we have done um we
have done parks visioning in phase one

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for 26 community and neighborhood parks.
Um that really is a guide for existing

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maintenance and any future improvements.
Certainly as parks are identified for

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improvement. It we would we would look
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design concept as well as any visionary
concepts like what what new things could

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we add? Um next steps in terms of the
parks renovation fund as you mentioned

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madame mayor prioritize condition one
and two assets and continue to do that

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in the future. Um we reviewed the
sidewalks and trail study tonight and if

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there is a if um and once we have a
trail plan that will help inform the

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future um as well as a parks vision
building study and a vision study for

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remaining parks. So we are still
planning to do a phase 2 vision study

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for the remaining parks in the system.

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Um [clears throat] this is just a graph
of the the finance finance picture here

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of the parks renovation fund. As you can
see we do have some significant

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expenditures in the near term. As um
council member Gustoson me mentioned

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that park that parking lot in 2027 is
quite large but we do have the funds on

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hand to manage that. um that blue line
kind of that blue line running across is

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our target fund balance and the black
line that you see kind of go down to the

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blue line and back up again is what we
expect our ending fund balance to be. So

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with this plan we do anticipate that we
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within our fund balance targets.
>> I got a lot of questions tonight. Yeah,

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» this is actually for Garrett. I think um
we've we talked about uh um inclusive

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type parks that like we have at Red Red
Oak. Is this in these plans now for

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going forward that because I know we
talked about zoning our putting in

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different zones of the city. Is that
part of this plan?

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Um, I would say from the the parks
renovation fund in general that the the

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type of cost associated with the
playground that you're talking about

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would not come out of a park renovation
fund. That that's more of a replacement

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asis kind of situation. Um, we will need
to be once we get through all these

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studies and start to look at the future
of our park system, we'll want to be

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looking into how do we start to
accomplish some of those things like you

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just talked about. And um, as I've
shared before, you can pretty much

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double the cost of a playground when you
want to put in a port in place surface

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that makes it inclusive. Um, in
addition, if you really want to double

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down on an inclusive type playground,
those that equipment tends to be more

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expensive as well. So, um, there's
there's a lot of factors that will go

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into
>> add on then right now.

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» So, those Yes, that would be that would
be more in the improvements area than it

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would be in the parks renovation area.
>> Thank you.

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» Yep.
>> Yeah. Currently in the parks renovation

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fund, it is really just replacing those
one and two assets,

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» at least at this time.
The parks investment fund, um, this is,

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uh, basically funded with parks
dedication fees. We do have a couple of

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small projects in this fund. Um these
are for any new fiber and security if

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those projects do come up in the current
um in the next year as well as any other

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improvements that might come up that are
new. Um those but those total a 100,000

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combined or a little less than $100,000
combined.

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» How much do we have in the parks
investment fund? Oh, I see. It's you I

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just asked ahead of you. We'll get
there. Who's there?

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» Yeah. Um, currently right now, as we we
just mentioned, we're taking care of

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what we have first. Um, we do have
budget carried forward for a pickle ball

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project that was um $1.1
million and was budgeted in 2025. We

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have carried that forward as we've gone
through that that process and again um

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we'll be revisioning the remaining parks
that we have. But the fund balance

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available for future projects is I think
this is the same about the same as what

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we said last year about $5.9 million um
in that fund.

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» We got to be real thoughtful about that.
That all we have in the parks investment

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fund is 5.9 million.
>> Yep.

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» Yeah. There isn't a Oh, go ahead.
>> Go ahead. Finish your

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» um Dan G.
>> I can wait.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. I'm G.

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» Yeah. I'm sorry.
>> I'm first. [laughter]

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» Yeah.
W can

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» I'm looking at you and saying G
>> uh

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» you said it's almost exactly the same
amount as a year ago

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» very similar
>> is there do we get investment results or

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do we apply our investment results by
the fund where the

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» the source uh principle is is is sitting
right so a year ago this 5.9 might have

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been 5.5 or six or seven
>> it's possible there were some

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expenditures. I do think we had um a
trail project that got completed. So

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there were some expenditures from the
fund but generally speaking yes they

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have invest basically this fund has
parks dedication fees and then

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investment revenues right
>> um annually based on the fund balance.

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» One of those I suppose maybe the largest
[clears throat] of recent time would

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have been waste management's
contribution as a result of the landfill

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agreement that they I was it 2.9
million? Yeah, I think so about half is

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that about right? Is that half that fund
is from that?

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» Yeah, I think yeah, I think it was about
$2 million if

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» it was 1.9 something otherwise
is

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» and it just gets into the investment
fund because it covers all the parks

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» investments. Yeah.
>> Um here is the where you see that top

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bar at the top. Um so you'll see that
investment is slowly growing. Um we

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don't assume we only assume about
$100,000 annually for parks dedication.

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We know that in some years we won't get
any. Um we did get some this year. I

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think we got about 600,000.
And so we don't want to um overestimate

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that because it's not really a
sustainable source of revenue going into

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the future. Um and then that large bar,
the gray bar is um that anticipated

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alagnet or not l magnet, excuse me,
anticipated pickle ball project.

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» Okay. [clears throat] Those funds were
there at

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» Yeah, they were there identified.
>> They've been there for a long time

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» for a pickle ball project and we've
carried those forward as we've gone

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through that process.
[snorts]

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» Um the next fund is the equipment and
vehicle fund. So, as we look at 2027's

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major project, it really is the
replacement of um plow trucks,

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ambulances, squads, um a front-end
loader replacement. So, that is about

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half of half of the capital budget for
um 2027 in this fund.

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When when we have those um vehicle
funds,000

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» and uh you're calculating, are you also
putting in in that line item the

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upfitting of all those vehicles? Because
oh my god, the upfitting is more

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expensive than the vehicle.
>> That is correct, mayor. [clears throat]

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When we budget for the each of the
vehicles is it's the total cost in. So,

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not only is it actually the chassis and
the upfit, but also if there's a tax,

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title, and license as well.
>> Okay.

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» Certainly in this fund, again, the
demand for services does impact our

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vehicles as well as we're seeing just
shorter replacement schedules with the

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amount of use that certain vehicles get.
Um, continued inflationary pressures

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that has leveled off somewhat in this
fund. And I think we've that we've done

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a good job of planning for all those
costs in the last couple of years and

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getting that getting those budgets a
little bit right more right

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[clears throat] sized. Um also continued
long lead times. So if you look and

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you'll see this when we look at the
financial picture 2026 includes carry

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forwards of $5 million in prior
projects. So that really means prior

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budgeted um items, pieces of equipment,
vehicles that in the most in most cases

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have been ordered. We just haven't
received them yet. So we're

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[clears throat] we're holding a bit of
cash right now. And once we once we get

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all those vehicles, that cash is spoken
for, right, in previous budgets. But um

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that just kind of goes to
[clears throat] speak to to those long

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lead times
>> because we have two fire trucks on

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order.
>> Yes. But we don't have to pay for them

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until they're delivered.
>> Correct.

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» So everything is on.
>> Yep. So we will you'll see a larger cash

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balance.
>> And that's [snorts] and that's including

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the upfitting of all of the the fire
trucks also.

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» Yep. The full cost. Yep.
Again, the capital improvement plans in

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this fund are are informed by the fleet
study as well.

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key assumptions. Um there's a 3%
property tax levy in 2027.

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Uh this will be a this will be similar
to the parks fund. We've in included a

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6% levy
>> [snorts]

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» um year-over-year. And this is just in
this fund, not overall in the in the not

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the overall city levy really rising to
10% by 2031. Uh we did see no local

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government aid for 2027. So we're just
we're assuming that is zero going

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forward. It has gone down from 426,000
in 2024 to 221,000 this year. So really

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over the past
>> zero is zero.

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» Yeah. So that does reduce kind of the
the revenues that we can anticipate in

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that fund. Really if you're looking at a
comparison from 2025, it's about $2

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million.
[snorts]

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» Creates pressure on this particular
fund.

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» Yep. Um the five-year average of um
annual expenditures is about $4.6

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million. And the 5-year annual average
revenues is about 4.3. Again, we are

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slightly below um the expenditures. So,
we are drawing a little bit down on fund

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balance. And the average levy is about
$1.8 million. And that is with that

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increase to 10% over the five years.
Currently, landfill host community fees

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are and equipment certificates are
filling the gap in this fund. So, um,

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similar to the parks fund, that is a
significant revenue for us right now at

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$1.77 million annually, but we also know
that that is will sunset once the

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landfill is at capacity. So, we wanted
to start planning for that and be in a

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place where um, you know, we're
increasing those property tax revenues

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um, slowly over time so that that's not
so that's not such a big um, jump we

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have to make. Um, we were able to reduce
equipment certificates um, last year. I

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think we had about a little over $7
million planned. We were able to reduce

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those to about five. And we will
continue to look for ways to reduce that

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debt because um, it just saves saves
cost, saves interest, and then we could,

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you know, we'd rather use that to buy
equipment than pay interest on equipment

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certificates. So, we'll continue to look
at that as we as we go forward in future

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plans, but right now we have debt
financing planned for 2026 and 2029.

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2026 will depend on when we receive
those vehicles. So, um it's it may not

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happen before the end of the year, but
we would we don't want to issue before

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we receive the vehicles. Um debt will
require debt levies in 2028 and beyond.

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One thing that helped is when we did
reduce equipment certificates, we did

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have debt levy that wasn't needed in the
debt fund and we were able to apply it

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here. And so we'd like to continue doing
that and we'll continue to look for ways

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to do that going forward.
>> Jenny, can you talk, excuse

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[clears throat] me, can you talk just a
little bit about future strategy on

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equipment related debt and both how
we've used it in the past and how we see

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appropriate use in the future
[clears throat] for the fund? Yeah. Um

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we've used it most recently to purchase
a firet truck in 2022

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» and um we have filled you know we have
we have looked at um

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financing some larger equipment like
firet trucks or maybe larger maybe

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ambulances and things like that. Some
larger vehicles with a useful life

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that's longer. Certainly, we'd rather
not issue if you issue debt, you really

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want to issue debt kind of the length at
least have a useful life that's longer

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than the length of your debt. So, we
definitely look at that um when we're

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looking at opportunities to finance some
of these vehicles. And then just trying

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to trying to reduce that burden. And so,
we kind of continue to to um make those

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adjustments year-over-year. And
hopefully we'll get to a place where we

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can this plan can can adjust those
equipment certificates out of this.

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» Okay, Dan,
>> uh since you brought up fire trucks, I

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want a question for uh Chief Jungman who
I want to compliment that the hair

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growth serum must apparently work.
[laughter] Um are we anticipating the

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purchase of another fire truck of some
sort large apparatus truck in the next

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five years? Ambulance would be the next
>> one that's up. Uh fire engines and

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ladders have typically have their
service life. I believe

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» I don't know off can't remember off the
top of my head what the I think it's

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about 10 years service life for for
engine it's more for a ladder truck but

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ambulances will be the lower of of the
group.

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» When's the next because the fire trucks
are well over a million now. When when

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do you anticipate the next ladder andor
full-size apparatus truck to be needing

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to be required? Is it I suppose it might
be in our capital long-term capital?

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» Yeah, it we have one program did for
2026 and it's on order. We just haven't

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» we're waiting for that one
>> and then a 2029. So about every 3 years

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we purchase a larger um fire truck.
>> How many total large apparatus trucks do

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we have? Non-ambbulance.

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That one I'm not going to know. I'm
gonna have to

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» Yeah, I believe I'd have to look at the
fleet map, but I believe we have three

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engines right now. And I think we have
two ladder trucks, but I have to I have

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to double check the fleet map.
>> Five

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of the big big rigs.
>> Thank you.

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» And we have six ambulances.
>> And I think we're due for replacement of

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one.
>> Yeah,

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» we have an ambulance planned in every
year of the capital plan basically. So,

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an ambulance a year and then about every
three years for the fire trucks.

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» Just one followup. Is there a need for
more ambulance as we scale up the staff?

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[cough]
>> Will will we actually increase the fleet

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of of you know the circulating fleet by
a unit or are we just in replacement

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mode for the near term? Um, I would have
to bounce that off of Chief Jungle, but

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the data driven like how how many calls
are running on is definitely going to

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dictate the amount of ambulance
demand, right? And as that's trending

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upwards,
so will the equipment that we need. So,

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» thank you,
>> Madam Mayor, members of the council.

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We'll get you the specific answers on
fire fleet, not to put Nate on the spot.

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Um, [snorts] uh, but also generally
speaking, is as we've talked about the

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fire standard of cover and you look at
our capital planning, we have planned

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for additional, uh, specific to the
question, we have planned for additional

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ambulances as the operation scales and
is of a scope to address the demand for

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calls for service. And that I would
assume that's all in because we're good

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about comprehensive planning, right?
>> It's incorporated into the design for

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fair station 2, for example, if that was
going to take on another apparatus,

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another bay is needed or whatever.
>> And it's all on her capital improvement

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plan for equipment and vehicles.

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» Madame Mayor, members of the council,
that that is a one of the the hallmark

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and important design features of Fire
Station 2. As a matter of fact, one of

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the reasons that the current site
[snorts] just doesn't fit the the

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programmed needs as they've been defined
uh both by the fire standard of cover

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and the other study that we do to inform
what those needs might be is we we know

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that uh we essentially need the same
type of apparatus bay configuration as

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fire station one in fire station 2,
which is what's currently contemplated

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in the site fit, which then requires us
to look for a different site, which is

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where the cross town east um parkland um
recommendation came from.

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» Thank you.
[snorts]

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» Here's the um financial uh picture or
financial plan for um the equipment and

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vehicle fund. As you can see, um
certainly some larger expenditures

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in 2026. That really is the budget plus
the carry forward. So, we're at about $9

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million and um we're assuming we're
spending all those carry forwards once

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those vehicles come in. Um they
[clears throat] have most of them have

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been ordered. And then
um the two larger blue bars are the

415
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:15,519
areas where we have identified um
potential [clears throat]

416
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:20,559
equipment certificates being issued. But
during um during the five years of this

417
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:24,960
plan, we are keeping our fund balance
above our target and really maintaining

418
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:30,799
that fund balance going forward. And
again, as we go forward,

419
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:36,000
um this plan does include a small uh
slowly increasing property tax levy to

420
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:40,880
prepare for um a time when the hoof fees
are are no longer available to us.

421
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,240
» Madame Mayor,
>> yes,

422
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:48,240
» clarification of your your terminology.
>> When a

423
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:51,200
a certificate is issued for a new piece
of equipment,

424
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,600
» we're buying another one and we're going
to issue debt to purchase it. Is that

425
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,360
what the certificate
>> refers to?

426
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,480
» Yes, it's it's a bond um kind of
quotation marks because it's equipment.

427
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:05,360
They call them equipment certificates,
but it basically is a shorter term um

428
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,519
debt investment.
>> Thank you.

429
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:18,080
» Um the IT capital fund is next. Um major
projects include a $2.8 $8 million ERP

430
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:24,559
system that was um has been carried
forward or has been rebudgeted from 2026

431
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:31,840
to 2027 uh with the focus on
implementing a budget system in 2026. We

432
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:39,120
did shift the ERP system to 2027 that
really includes finance HR as well as a

433
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:44,080
utility um solution.
And then we have some network equipment

434
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:47,120
replacements as well as staff endpoint
device replacements and some camera

435
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:51,200
replacements at the maintenance
facility.

436
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:57,600
» I got to talk about the 2.8 because it's
a big number. Uh how old is the system

437
00:33:53,919 --> 00:34:02,720
that we're currently using? Um have we
long since depreciated that cost? And

438
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,000
are we using an antiquated system and
then or overdue for a major update?

439
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,480
That's a big ticket. So, I think we need
to explain to our viewing audience

440
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:17,200
» what it all really entails and why we're
spending 2.8 million on it.

441
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:21,760
» Certainly, Council Member Keley, we are
um on a system that we implemented in

442
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,679
2006. So, we've been on the system about
20 years.

443
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,879
» Um the replacing telephones
>> came in when I could go wrong at 20

444
00:34:27,203 --> 00:34:36,480
[laughter] years, right?
>> Just just a year after I came here, too.

445
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:40,079
Um, and it the uh software provider has
notified us that they are no longer

446
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:45,679
making improvements to the software. And
while it currently works for us,

447
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:49,599
certainly new software um will provide
features that we don't currently have as

448
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:55,359
well as just being a little more user
friendly for we we certainly expect um a

449
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,760
lot of a lot of people are in our system
every day. um departments are entering

450
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:04,560
invoices and purchase orders and things
like that and so a new software will

451
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:10,960
certainly probably be a more modern and
updated platform as well. So it just you

452
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:15,440
know it's time and we definitely want to
um want to make that change before this

453
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,240
this platform doesn't work for us
anymore.

454
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:21,839
» Yeah.
>> Sounds like Windows we're no longer

455
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,720
supporting Windows 10. You got to get on
11.

456
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,320
» Yeah. Yeah, Madam Mayor, members of the
council, this is a project that has

457
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:34,800
moved several years out. So, we've
talked about this for a few years, as

458
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:38,400
you recall. Um, it is um reflective of
one of the single most important

459
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:44,000
projects that we will undertake uh over
the course of this planning window. Uh,

460
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:48,240
a very good example of a first step is
this year we implemented the finance

461
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:52,640
team implemented a new budget system.
Uh, Adam is our budget manager has been

462
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,680
helping uh the team through that. So
everything you see tonight is completely

463
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:03,040
informed by different technology. Um
this project will expand that and help

464
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:08,320
create the foundation by which once we
really have the basics down right will

465
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:13,440
give us the opportunity to to look at
new opportunities to connect with the

466
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:18,400
community, increase transparency,
um improve connectedness across the

467
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,839
community, uh look at how we we make and
shape priorities from a budgeting

468
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:28,800
perspective. So it really gives us the
the foundation to move into the future

469
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:32,400
at a at a faster more effective pace. So
important work and a to your point,

470
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,599
council member Keely, a significant
investment in the current IT capital

471
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:41,119
fund.
>> But but I I always just want to touch on

472
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,839
your point about sort of getting up to
modern. I mean legacy systems are are

473
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,320
great [snorts] because they become very
stable over time. It's also a very

474
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:55,040
expensive process internally from a
training, you know, the conversion

475
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,240
process to a system that large has a
price to pay with, [clears throat] you

476
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:02,960
know, stress and time and training and a
lot of other things.

477
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,680
» Um, is that all baked into that 2.8 or
is that the

478
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,079
» we've
>> software hardware acquisition cost? Um

479
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:15,839
we've pl we've planned for a consultant
to help us um with our selection process

480
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:19,760
as well as we have plans for a
consultant that could help us with

481
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:25,040
implementation as well. So certainly we
are thinking about those other costs and

482
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:29,280
the and just the amount of work um even
as we plan for staffing resources,

483
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,720
right? We're thinking about that as well
in terms of [clears throat] making sure

484
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,320
we have enough staff. staff are going to
have to continue to do the work that

485
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,079
they're already doing as well as
implement a new system. So, we we

486
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,560
definitely
are um trying to plan that out and make

487
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,800
sure we're providing enough resources as
we go through that.

488
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:54,160
» Good. I'm sure the there's there's a lot
of new especially even now software is

489
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,680
evolving at a very fast pace, but
there's a lot of new tools. So, I think

490
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:02,880
it'll be a great project and a process
for the city staff to go through and and

491
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:06,880
I I'm really glad that uh city manager
Lindberg hit on the benefits of this

492
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,560
type of thing can go beyond this
building, right? Can how we connect and

493
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,520
how we operate transparently to the
public accessibility to things. Um

494
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:18,160
that's that'll take us light years ahead
of where we've been.

495
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,839
» Yeah,
>> it's the right time to do it too when

496
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:26,560
we're doing the expansion of both
>> Yes. city hall and police and all all of

497
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640
that. So,
>> a bigger, better, more transparent city

498
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,680
of
>> Yeah. When you think about it in that

499
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
totality.
>> Yeah.

500
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,280
» Yeah.
>> It's this is a that's not only a big

501
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:39,200
price, that is a massive undertaking as
a project,

502
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,640
» it is.
>> Yep. It will be. And we want to make

503
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,119
sure we do it right
>> the first time, right? And so, um, we're

504
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,171
being very
thoughtful in planning that. Um, one of

505
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:56,800
the things with with the budget system,
[laughter] our ERP system served as our

506
00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:01,839
operating budget um, platform in the
past and so we thought, hey, let's get

507
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:06,240
our budget system up and working and
make sure that's in place before we

508
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:11,440
before we replace an ERP system because
most likely most ERP systems these days

509
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:16,720
don't have their own budgeting module.
So, we wanted to make sure um really the

510
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:22,000
biggest project that that we have
in a year is um is taken care of first.

511
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,680
So,
>> mayor and council, I I think that's

512
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,400
another really great example of staff
thinking about not just effectiveness,

513
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:35,839
but efficiencies in our operation. um
the the decision to to approach the

514
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:40,000
budget system first is going to set a
foundation for us to make not not just

515
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,599
more effective decisions but more
efficient decisions down the road when

516
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:50,640
it comes to the technology that we're
using and integrating uh at the core of

517
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:55,440
our operations. So, uh, Jenny and Alyssa
and Adam and the finance team alongside

518
00:39:53,200 --> 00:40:00,720
the IT team, uh, deserve a lot of credit
for thinking differently, uh, and and

519
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:05,280
not just going to market to spend $2.8
million on a, uh, on a system or a

520
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:08,640
system project, but rather really
thinking about what are the operational

521
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,720
needs, how can we do it most effectively
and most efficiently, not just for our

522
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,400
operation, but for the community uh, in
terms of deliverables, outcomes,

523
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,720
results, and how much it costs.
>> Yeah. And I also reading [clears throat]

524
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:29,280
in all of the information that you share
with us, um the updates to the website

525
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:32,960
allows the budget to be in a way that is
very

526
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:38,560
efficiently
uh put out and then very readable by the

527
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:43,119
general public.
>> Yep. And we're looking to make

528
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:48,240
additional advancements in that area as
well. So um certainly that's exciting

529
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:54,960
» and that's addresses our transparency as
well. So that's really great. Yeah.

530
00:40:52,480 --> 00:41:00,720
» Um some key assumptions. This fund has
historically been a challenged fund in

531
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:05,520
terms of um overall fund balance. Um
there was a 12% levy increase

532
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:11,440
year-over-year in this fund. Um we
increased um the the last four years

533
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:19,119
30%. Now that's 30% of what was going
into the ITF fund. So then that's about

534
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:23,040
um you know 150 to 250,000 a year. Um
but really you'll see when we look at

535
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:27,920
the finance plan that we did need to to
make an adjustment there. Our annual

536
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:34,400
average expenditures are about $1.8
million and revenues are about 1.4 and

537
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:40,160
our levy was about $1.1 million over the
five years on average. is the telephone

538
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:43,920
system that we're replacing. That's on
the 26 budget, not on the 27.

539
00:41:43,438 --> 00:41:46,720
[clears throat]
>> Madame Mayor and council members, that's

540
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,440
a project that's actually moving forward
currently that was approved in the 2026

541
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,240
budget.
>> That's what I was thinking.

542
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,079
» Yep. And it's a it's a hosted platform.
So, it's the first phone platform that

543
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,960
we'll be using that's cloud-based.
>> Yeah.

544
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:03,200
» Um and we'll see a reduced amount of
capital um replacement costs going

545
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:08,480
forward as a result of that. Yeah,
that's good because I thought it was

546
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:13,920
we're looking at 27.
That replacement was in the 26 budget

547
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,560
» and and you'll notice a dramatic
increase in features.

548
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:20,240
» Absolutely.
>> It's a big jump.

549
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:25,599
» Does that come with uh additional
exposures to outside bad guys when we're

550
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,640
going to a more cloud-based system?
>> The cloud-based platform that we're

551
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,040
actually moving forward with is a
government-only cloud-based platform. as

552
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:37,040
part of our M Microsoft ecosystem
through their government-only cloud

553
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,000
services. So there's an added layer of
protection as a result of that, but

554
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:45,760
we'll treat it like any new systems and
we'll continue to apply our several

555
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:49,920
multi-layered security to that platform
too. um a lot of new functions and

556
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:53,760
features are are available as a result
and there may be some new risks as

557
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:58,560
associated with that. But um we're
taking that into consideration as we

558
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:03,839
move that project forward and it'll just
become another asset that we maintain

559
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:08,000
like we do most of our IT assets today.
>> I was glad we weren't on Iran's hit list

560
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,680
with [clears throat] the water treatment
facilities. Yeah,

561
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,200
» even if they were, they wouldn't have
gotten through.

562
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:24,319
» And because I know that we have,
>> I think was 911 that we started

563
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:32,079
hardening the the um water system plant
and you keep on top of that and so we

564
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:35,680
harden the uh security of that water
delivery system. Well, madam members of

565
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,640
the council, certainly one of the
investments that we've asked the

566
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,240
community and that you've asked the
community to make uh through the ITF and

567
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:48,160
other funds I is a significant
investment in cyber security. We take uh

568
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,079
the protection of the public's data and
our infrastructure seriously. Uh Tom and

569
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:55,200
his team have done quite a bit of work
in this space over the course of the

570
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,560
past couple of years. Maybe just by way
of education for the community and the

571
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,400
council, Tom, can you just talk a bit
about what we've studied and what we've

572
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:07,200
planned for and the current state of
cyber security?

573
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,520
» Um, we went through a a security
assessment in 2025, early 2025 as a a

574
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,319
follow-up to previous [clears throat]
assessments that we've done um over the

575
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:21,920
year last few years. Um this one really
identified um gaps which we anticipate

576
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:26,079
with any assessment that we do and areas
of focus that uh we want to bring

577
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:30,319
forward um that align with our capital
improvements plan and our operating

578
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,520
expenses. Um and that really what we're
doing today and what we're asking for in

579
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:38,640
the budget going forward is a reflection
of that most recent assessment from

580
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:41,440
2025. Um in addition, we're moving
forward with additional managed

581
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:46,640
services. We recognize that we don't
have the staffing resources to stay on

582
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:54,400
top of some of the newest risks and um
items out there that are um malicious

583
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:58,560
and are constantly attacking. Um and as
a result of that, you'll also see going

584
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,160
forward in our budget requests um
additional operating expense increases

585
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:08,880
for uh additional security as a service
um services um primarily through Lois,

586
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:13,599
but we're also using additional third
parties. We don't um put all of our eggs

587
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:17,599
in one basket. We have a as I mentioned
earlier multi-layered approach that

588
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,200
really is the essence of a good security
plan is making sure that uh you you you

589
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:28,079
have several layers um and resources
available as incidents [clears throat]

590
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:31,119
do occur and they will occur. Um our
goal is to minimize the risk and

591
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:36,560
minimize the the occurrence of those
incidents that occur. I remember the

592
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:41,520
consultant coming in to present the
study and [snorts]

593
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:46,319
um the conclusions and what we need to
do.

594
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:51,119
» So that was a good report.
>> We anticipate um going through similar

595
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,400
assessments in the future with third
parties. We also have the ability to do

596
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,720
self assessments. We have tools in place
today that we can ask ourselves how

597
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:02,560
we're doing, score ourselves, and create
metrics that help us continuously

598
00:46:00,201 --> 00:46:08,640
[cough] improve our posture.
>> Um, it's probably one of the most um

599
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:14,720
increasing areas of
>> um time and effort from a labor

600
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,839
standpoint in our group right now. And
that'll continue and that but that's

601
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:22,160
also why we're we're trying to address
that through thirdparty services that

602
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:26,319
can help us stay on top of everything.
And I'm really grateful for the work

603
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:32,240
that all of you do, especially with what
happened to St. Paul and how quickly you

604
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:37,520
made sure that ours was all
hardened and secured.

605
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:42,240
» How do how does a I don't want to get
too far off track here, but how does a

606
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:46,480
city like Plymouth, how do how do I
mean, I would imagine they have similar

607
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,760
resources to us
um find themselves in a situation like

608
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,599
that.
There's a lot of variables of course

609
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:59,839
between the different services that the
cities provide. My understanding is um

610
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:06,160
they may not have the same involvement
from their IT group in some of their

611
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:09,599
» services that they they they run. Um and
it's just different set of

612
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:14,960
circumstances. I can't speak in detail
what occurred at Plymouth, but um in

613
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:21,359
general, it just depends on who is
leading the effort to secure systems and

614
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:26,480
platforms and how well that group may or
may not be doing.

615
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:30,880
» Um we are involved in our water utility
platform and have been since 2009 when

616
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,800
we built out that fiber optic
infrastructure.

617
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:38,240
» Yeah. Um, and we continue to leverage
that infrastructure along with the tools

618
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,400
that we've been able to bring forward
over the years um to stay involved in

619
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:46,160
the security of our water utilities
specifically, but we're also very

620
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:51,920
involved in a lot of the services across
the organization um that touch the

621
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:57,200
city's network essentially. Um, and
there may not be that same level of

622
00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:01,599
involvement in other organizations.
Well, it makes me feel better about

623
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:07,040
spending almost $3 million on a system
knowing that [laughter]

624
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:10,400
» I would much rather security
>> than

625
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:14,480
» being sorry with what happened in St.
Paul and how many

626
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,560
» weeks that it took for them to even get
back up to Yeah. And it wasn't I think

627
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,359
it got two months. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.

628
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,958
» Jenny, back to you.
>> All right. Well, I think Tom took care

629
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,978
of my last bullet point there.
[laughter]

630
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:37,359
Um this is the fund. Um you do see that
we do um this fund is more challenged

631
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:42,079
than our other funds at the moment. But
with that additional investment, we do

632
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,920
get back to our targeted fund balance by
2031.

633
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:50,480
» Certainly cash flow is going to depend
that we have that entire large project

634
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:54,800
in 2027. We anticipate that's probably
not going to all happen in 2027. It's

635
00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,480
going to happen over a period of a year
or two, maybe maybe a little into 2029.

636
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:03,040
So, we may not see that fund balance dip
as low as we're predicting. And we'll

637
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,280
keep an eye on that.
>> We have a plan to meet,

638
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,520
» but we have a plan.
>> Okay, good.

639
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,920
» So,
>> because I look at that and

640
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:17,359
» and this fund it really, you know, we've
been we've been ramping up those levies.

641
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:21,520
we just um added a little more in those
last four years to really get us to that

642
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,599
to get us to that target by the end of
the 5-year plan.

643
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,400
» Okay.
>> So, the challenge would be in 27 where

644
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:30,960
it's onetime spending.
>> Okay.

645
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,640
» Onetime spending. And then we'll look at
that. We'll want to make sure we what

646
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:38,400
we'd like to do is match that levy to
our, you know, match our levy to our

647
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:43,520
average expenditure so that we're
generally keeping pace with the costs.

648
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:48,520
And historically in this fund, we
haven't we haven't really gotten there

649
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,520
yet.

650
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:56,960
Um the next fund is the infrastructure
trust fund. Uh major projects really are

651
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,200
quite simple here. Is really um the
spending in this fund is really all

652
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:06,720
going to street improvements of about $4
million planned for 2027.

653
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:11,839
This fund overall um the capital the
five-year capital plan increased about

654
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:16,319
36% in this fund or about nine and a
half million dollars that really is

655
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:25,599
subsequent or following the um
infrastructure trust funding trust fund

656
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:32,800
study and um the investment in um that
five-year strategy to get our levy up to

657
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:37,520
um up to what we need to to maintain our
pavement conditions.

658
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:44,000
Certainly, the levy was funded or the
levy was informed by the study. 2027 did

659
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:49,839
not change. That includes a 3% increase
year-over-year in that fund. And then an

660
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:54,400
average of 15% increases from 2027
through 2032.

661
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:58,960
Um, municipal state aid is also received
in this project as there are some MSA

662
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:03,920
funded projects
um that run through the ITF. We do have

663
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:09,040
an al we've maintained that allocation
assumption at a level amount of $2.8

664
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:16,240
million a year. That's our 20 that
matches our 2026 allocation. Um

665
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:22,680
MSA though is not received or recognized
until we have projects um that are MSA

666
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,680
eligible.

667
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:30,640
We also received a we also receive a a
small amount of transportation and

668
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:36,559
advancement aid. We expect about 109,000
in 2027.

669
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,920
Uh that program started in 2024. We
received 23,000.

670
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:47,280
I think 72,000 and about 90,000 is
expected this year. We don't have any

671
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:51,520
plans for additional debt in this fund.
And this capital planning um here and

672
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,599
the projects are informed by the
pavement management plan, our traffic

673
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:59,319
signal study, and our horizontal
infrastructure study.

674
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:06,880
Um key assumptions here that 2027
through 2031 capital improvement plan

675
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:12,240
includes an annual average increase of
$2 million in project expenditures and

676
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:19,760
that really aligns with the ITF study
recommendations and funding strategy.

677
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:24,480
So with those assumptions um we do have
we do have this finance plan. You can

678
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:31,920
see we are a little bit below what our
target fund balance is. the um ITF study

679
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:36,960
did recommend um an increase in that
kind of targeted fund balance or that

680
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,839
reserve in that fund. Um this this
reserve is set at a certain percentage

681
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:48,559
of annual expenditures. So right now um
we're we're um

682
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:52,160
recommending about $2.5 million
in um in a target fund balance in this

683
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:58,079
fund. And with this plan, we're a little
bit below it, but you can see in 2031,

684
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:05,119
we do get to the target.
Um, we did do an additional uh bit of

685
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:11,839
work here on a on a on an option that
does include um land sale proceeds. Um

686
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:18,559
current recently the city um closed on a
couple of land sales surplus land sales

687
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:26,000
and there is um 2.1 million available in
surplus land sale revenue in 2026. Um

688
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:32,079
staff is recommending um
depositing that in the infrastructure

689
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:37,520
trust fund that would help alleviate the
increase in the property tax levy over

690
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:44,000
the five years of this plan. So 3%
remains the same in 2027 with 12%

691
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:49,760
increases in actually that should say 28
through 31 instead of 15% increases. So

692
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:53,680
it does reduce the property tax burden a
little bit over the 5-year window about

693
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:58,559
0.25%
on the total levy.

694
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:03,040
It also would ensure reserves stay above
the targeted fund balance. So, um

695
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:10,160
certainly
would um like the council's um feedback

696
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:16,480
on that and direction. Um but with that,
this is what the difference in the um

697
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:20,559
two levies look like. It is a little bit
different amount in each year, but

698
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:28,400
again, that's about 0.25% on the total
levy across the five years of the plan.

699
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:33,200
and that that finance plan would look a
little bit different with that um ending

700
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:37,839
fund balance being a little bit higher
and then revenues are a little bit

701
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:42,880
lower. Um it just we don't have to raise
revenues quite as quickly over that

702
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:49,160
5-year window. So that is an option and
um wanted to show it both ways so you

703
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,160
had that had that perspective.

704
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:57,280
» Madame Mayor.
>> Yeah. I just when we reviewed that shift

705
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:03,440
of land sale funds, I thought that was
also driven by a need for increasing the

706
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,640
miles of road to be repaired. So, it was
going to get spent, which would still

707
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:14,319
leave the fund back down, per se, unless
we were layering it on top of the

708
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:18,880
existing spend. I like the plan. I'm
just wondering is it is it about getting

709
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:23,200
the balance up or is it about funding it
greater so we can get more roads

710
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:27,040
repaired?
>> Well, the way it's um structured right

711
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,200
now and it could be structured
differently. You could do it on top of

712
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:37,359
if you wanted to do if we wanted to do
more roads sooner. It really was to ease

713
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:43,359
that property tax burden of that kind of
having to really amp up that that levy.

714
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:48,640
So, was the plan with the levy pre that
decision

715
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:51,119
» uh accommodating more road repairs?
>> They're accommodating the same amount

716
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,720
scaling up or
>> same amount between amount, right?

717
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,839
That's what I thought. But then I, you
know, when when we looked at that

718
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:02,319
pavement index and the road condition
and all that, it seemed like it needed a

719
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:07,599
shot in the arm to to actually net
increase how many call it miles of road

720
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:12,880
each year we were repairing.
>> Yeah. Yeah, council member Keely, it

721
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:17,599
really is the two options are the same
amount of roads. It really is just

722
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,760
helping to get those reserves up earlier
and

723
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,960
» easing that easing that levy increase a
little bit.

724
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,400
» Yeah.
>> In that four four to five year plan

725
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:31,920
» and and it directly um benefits our
taxpayers.

726
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:36,400
» It does, which I I mean there's there's
a lot of great benefit there. was just

727
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:42,240
trying to get back, you know, to the
source, you know, how much Mark needs to

728
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:48,400
keep up with the deterioration of the
roads, which means there would indicate

729
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:53,359
a net increase in roads miles repaired
or feet, however you measure it, each

730
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,920
year, right? To start to catch up with
>> correct

731
00:56:53,680 --> 00:57:01,119
» the level of erosion of our roads
conditions, right? Road conditions. the

732
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:08,000
first version of the plan um was based
on direction after the May ITF study. So

733
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,799
it did give them that recommended bump
up.

734
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,799
» And then in this version, it just allows
us to do the same thing but just not

735
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:16,079
» Okay. So there is a net bump built into
it, right?

736
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,480
» Yeah. Yep.
>> Correct. So,

737
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:23,280
» madame mayor, members of the council,
really the the staff recommendation here

738
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:29,599
uh is reflective of this of the
council's May 2026 direction, council

739
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:36,400
member Keely that you were referencing
uh which is which is all about investing

740
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:40,640
further resources into uh maintaining
our streets, right? Maintaining that

741
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:45,280
core critical infrastructure. Uh so the
study itself found that uh we current we

742
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:52,640
currently or at the time had invested
around $3.1 million um um annually um

743
00:57:50,480 --> 00:58:00,640
compared to an estimated $6 million
need. So that the May direction um uh

744
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:05,920
helped to fill that gap. Then uh that
otherwise without without increased

745
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:10,480
investment that happened in May would
have resulted in about 11 additional

746
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:15,920
miles if memory serves
>> um uh today would have gone to 40 miles

747
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,200
in
>> Yeah.

748
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,880
» 10 years.
>> Yeah.

749
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,480
» Yeah. I think that was
>> in that neighborhood.

750
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:27,119
» That's what I remember. So, so that May
direction does address more streets. The

751
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:31,520
options more street reconstruction and
caring for more street miles and

752
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:35,359
maintaining that pavement condition
index that that we identified through

753
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:39,760
the pavement management plan.
>> The options in front of you today, both

754
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:46,160
the first and the second option, uh that
second option really really does two

755
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:51,280
things. It reduces the cost to taxpayers
>> uh by about an average annual average

756
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:57,599
impact of a quarter of a percent on the
levy on the total levy a year

757
00:58:54,079 --> 00:59:02,240
» um uh and repositions the fund balance
to meet the policy that the council

758
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:08,240
adopted in May
>> without levying additional to get there

759
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:13,119
» and the same amount of streets in each.
So it is it's it has that bump of

760
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:18,160
increase that we made decision. This
just helps helps buffer the cost of it.

761
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:21,200
» It just buffers that impact in those
initial years

762
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:24,559
» and based on Travis's presentation at
our previous meeting, maybe there's some

763
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,480
opportunity to buffer it even further if
we can

764
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:29,920
» identify some properties.
>> Yeah, DG

765
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:35,920
» more properties. Um, [clears throat] I I
do like this plan, but I'm struck by the

766
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:41,280
fact this is spread out over five years
at a 2.52%

767
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,119
decrease in the levy, which is does save
our taxpayers some money. But just going

768
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:51,200
through this presentation tonight and
listening to our equipment fund or

769
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:56,400
possibly some things in the parks or our
our um technology that we have to do

770
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:02,240
which is a big one-time spend for us
next year which would give us an

771
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:07,359
immediate impact of the overall I mean I
there I think every one of them has a

772
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,040
need and I and I'm trying to weigh out
what's going to get us the best impact

773
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:16,000
for it and over a fiveyear period of
time I'm not sure we save the taxpayers

774
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:20,079
that much money per year
as we would if we were to take something

775
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:24,319
like this and go into our technology and
suddenly we got 2.1 million to go into

776
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:27,599
there to make some of that stuff happen.
So we're not levying for that whole

777
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,040
thing in one year as opposed over a
5year period of time. And I and I look

778
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:35,520
at the same thing with our equipment
fund as well is we're doing it in one

779
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,200
year instead of over a fiveyear period
of time again. And so we get an

780
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:43,920
immediate impact for and I'm trying to
keep my mind in one time spending mode

781
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,520
versus what's going to impact us most
for a one-time spend

782
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:52,480
» as opposed to just peacemealing over a
5year period of time.

783
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Um, Council Member Guffson, as we look
at this, um, we were thinking about it

784
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:03,359
kind of in with that one-time funding
lens and really, um, trying to figure

785
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:08,559
out what makes sense, what where could
it make a difference? And part of the

786
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:15,119
doing it, part of the spreading it over
five years is to really avoid any large

787
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:19,440
um dips and large increases, right? So
we could certainly use it all in one

788
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:23,680
year but that also has an impact of then
the the increase in the levy has to be

789
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:28,559
larger in the next year. So really
trying to smooth it out over year over a

790
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:34,000
number of years and as we looked at
parks and equipment and vehicle that was

791
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:39,119
also why instead of maybe taking one big
increase um since we have some time and

792
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:44,160
a little bit of runway in terms of you
know when when we're going to have more

793
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:50,559
challenges with our funding. wanted to
start that now and maybe build it

794
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:54,880
» rather than having um
just kind of rise and fall, rise and

795
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,119
fall. Right.
>> Okay. So, that's kind of what we kept in

796
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,359
mind.
>> Just so you know, I'm good I'm good with

797
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,880
every one of you, including the
infrastructure, but I just want to make

798
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:06,559
sure that when we make this decision to
spend this kind of money, we're what's

799
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:12,799
going to get us our best impact
immediately. And you know, and I and

800
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:16,799
quite frankly, I have very very much big
concerns about what's happening at the

801
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:20,720
county right now. Uh because I don't
know how that's going to impact us uh

802
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:24,880
from everything I've been reading and
hearing about things may get rolled down

803
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,920
to us where we're going to start paying
picking up a lot more of the tab for

804
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,680
things that happen in this city that the
county has been part of for us for the

805
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,280
time. And we got to be prepared for
that. Yeah.

806
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:40,319
» And and I understand what you're what
you're concerned about, but one of the

807
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:45,920
things that I have great confidence in
is how we do capital improvement

808
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:51,520
planning and the things that our staff
have done and and the information that

809
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:57,280
we have because
ultimately

810
01:02:53,040 --> 01:03:01,760
it I what we're doing here is following
through with the things that we said

811
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:06,480
that we would do and how the capital
improvement plan and the financial

812
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:13,280
management plan has guided us to get us
to where we are. So, I have

813
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:18,400
great confidence and trust in the work
that we're doing.

814
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,839
» You know, but it's good for us to
understand what's happening at the

815
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,160
county, but we have no control over it.
>> We don't, but we can at least prepare

816
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:28,400
ourselves for if the worst case happens.
>> And I think we

817
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:33,440
» and that's
>> we understand that and it will get

818
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:39,920
there. But I I want to make sure that we
stay on track with the plans that we

819
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:44,000
have done and directed staff to do and
um I have great confidence in the work

820
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,400
that has been done.
>> I have confidence in our staff.

821
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:54,319
» Yeah. Yeah. Good.
>> Y and um the next budget work session

822
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,480
we'll talk more about those overall
>> Yeah.

823
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,280
» levy impacts, right? So we'll kind of
roll everything together and you'll

824
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,079
» I think I'd like to hear more on that.
>> Yep. So, we'll talk um all of these

825
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:09,039
changes will be rolled up and then as
well as operating funds and we'll see

826
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:14,559
that total impact to the levy. But um
this also allows us to have some some

827
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:18,799
fund balance to respond if there are
streets or changes that um need to be

828
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:24,400
made. So, this also keeps a little bit
more of a reserve in this ITF fund over

829
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:27,440
the five years. [snorts]
>> Okay.

830
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:31,039
» Okay.
Um the next fund is improvement

831
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:34,880
construction. This fund is related to
the ITF fund but really this is our

832
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:39,039
centralized street construction fund. It
really is a zero balance fund. All those

833
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:44,160
street improvement projects run through
there and then are funded through um

834
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:49,119
either the ITF
or um various utility funds. So there is

835
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:52,880
a generally a zero balance in this fund.
Um what does stay in here or the

836
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,559
activity that does kind of live in this
fund are the special assessment

837
01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:01,039
components of the revenue and
expenditures as well as any state and

838
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:06,880
federal grants for street projects.
Currently we do not have grants planned

839
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:13,280
or um built into the CIP but if there
are any identified those will be added

840
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:17,920
to future CIPs if that happens.
So this is a little bit this isn't very

841
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:24,799
exciting but basically [laughter]
revenue in equals uh revenue in equals

842
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:29,440
expenditures out. So in this fund
um the street maintenance fund this uh

843
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:33,599
fund is really for kind of routine
maintenance preventative roadway

844
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:38,160
maintenance um and so the m and pavement
markings and rightway maintenance. So

845
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:46,079
expenditures in this fund are about
$900,000 or actually 700 $7800,000

846
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:52,400
annually. Um
key assumptions here the funding for

847
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:57,359
this work is um accomplished through
transfers from the general fund as well

848
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:02,079
as transfers uh from the water and sewer
storm water funds for to help fund that

849
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,160
street and their components of the
street.

850
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:10,480
This fund is generally in a pretty
stable situation. Revenues and

851
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:15,599
expenditures are generally balanced in
this fund. Um certainly we do have about

852
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:21,359
$1.4 million
um in fund balance. It is well over the

853
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:26,400
required reserve but um generally we are
budgeting this in a way that is um

854
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:31,671
generally not building up a large fund
balance over time but just maintaining

855
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,671
what we have. [snorts]

856
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:40,160
the facilities fund. Um so in this fund
we have major facility projects ongoing.

857
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:47,280
Police city hall is one of those. Um the
May 25th May 2025 groundbreaking

858
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:54,160
um happened with plan completion in
2028. Uh the bidday cost budget of that

859
01:06:50,799 --> 01:07:00,400
uh this facility is $98 million. Capital
improvement bonds of 68.6 million were

860
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:05,359
issued in May of 2025. We anticipate the
second trunch of bonds being issued

861
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:09,760
before the end of the year. So, um
remaining bonds we could issue up to

862
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:14,880
$31.4 million, but we're working with
our financial advisor um on kind of

863
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:21,880
narrowing down what that issue amount
might be as well as um kind of what the

864
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,880
status of the project is.

865
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:29,039
Fire station 2 that is also a large
project that is included in the budget

866
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:33,920
in this fund. Um, architect and
engineering design service contracts

867
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:42,839
were approved in July. Those total about
$ 1.5 million. The CIP estimate of $35

868
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,839
million was included for 2028.

869
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:49,760
Schematic design estimates are expected
by early 2027. So, we'll have some

870
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,920
updated cost numbers. At that time,
we'll come back to the council to

871
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:58,720
discuss any additional financing and
franchise fee implications.

872
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:03,640
um and those will be planned early
probably um early next year.

873
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:11,520
In addition to large facility projects,
we have repair and maintenance across

874
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:15,599
all facilities included in this fund. A
little over $3 million was proposed for

875
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,120
2027.
Um those investments are largely

876
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:23,759
informed by the municipal facilities
inventory.

877
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:28,719
Uh, one project that isn't included yet,
um, but we're working on, we do have a

878
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:33,199
public safety memorial project that
hasn't yet been included in the pro post

879
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:39,279
CIP. We don't really have, um, good cost
numbers, but once schematic design is in

880
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:45,040
is completed, we'll incorporate that
into the CIP as well. And that would be

881
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:49,359
something um on this site kind of in
conjunction with the facilities uh, the

882
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:54,640
police and city hall project.
Madame Mayor, members of the council,

883
01:08:50,719 --> 01:09:02,880
you you'll recall that uh throughout
um uh responding to and um throughout

884
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:07,759
responding to the tragedy of February
18th, uh we've prioritized

885
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,839
uh taking care of our fallen families,
taking care of our police and fire

886
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:18,400
departments. Um uh this is uh a project
that very much is is reflective of that

887
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:22,960
commitment. Um uh so we're making some
progress on a permanent public me

888
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:28,000
memorial and we also recognize that it's
very important to take our time to get

889
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:32,400
it right. Uh so rather than uh suggest
in this fund a placeholder for the

890
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:37,520
project, we didn't find that to be
appropriate. Rather, we'll come back to

891
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:44,000
you um and discuss the cost of the
project. We do expect this to be a 2027

892
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:49,600
project. Uh and uh we also do expect
there to be some efficiencies and some

893
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:54,080
effectiveness found in constructing it
as part of the police city hall project

894
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:57,679
uh with the sighting decision. So more
to come this year.

895
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:00,960
» Okay. Now and and that's this is
separate from the bridge correct

896
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:06,159
memorial
>> and we don't have those numbers. Madame

897
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:12,239
Mayor, members of the council, there is
included in in the CIP uh planned

898
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:19,920
numbers for a a bridge lighting project.
Uh the Burnsville Parkway bridge over um

899
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:24,000
uh 35W um was recognized by the state as
is the heroes memorial bridge for Paul

900
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:29,600
Matt and Adam.
>> Uh this is a separate project from that.

901
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:34,000
Uh there is a a city-f funded lighting
project that we plan to bring back to

902
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:40,719
you uh even as early as the next couple
of weeks uh to to talk more about um uh

903
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:46,560
the anticipated cost and funding
strategy for that project. But there is

904
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:49,679
currently capital funds that are planned
uh for for that project.

905
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,120
» Okay.
>> I just want people to understand these

906
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:57,440
are two different projects. There's the
memorial bridge

907
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:00,080
» uh and then the heroes bridge and then
this is one that's going to be here on

908
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,159
campus.
>> Correct. We're this item is a permanent

909
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:12,159
public safety memorial uh that will be
on this site or planned tenatively to be

910
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:16,800
on this site uh that we would bring back
to you both from a from a funding a

911
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,800
project perspective sometime later this
year.

912
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:25,600
» Okay. But we'll see the bridge lighting
project with what that's going to look

913
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:28,320
like coming [snorts] in about what two
months you say.

914
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,760
» Uh madame mayor, members of the council,
I have a meeting with our team tomorrow

915
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:35,280
morning to talk more about the bridge
lighting project and I'll have more

916
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:40,880
information then and we'll share uh more
with you. Uh again, uh we we absolutely

917
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:44,000
are taking our time on these projects.
Uh we want to make sure that we get it

918
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,520
right. uh we want to make sure that
we're caring for our fallen families and

919
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:52,080
and putting those commitments and
priorities first. So, uh that's been the

920
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:57,040
that's been the approach. But yes, I I
expect that to come back or expect,

921
01:11:53,760 --> 01:12:03,120
excuse me, the uh Heroes Memorial Bridge
lighting project to come back uh for

922
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:08,080
city council discussion and direction
likely before uh we talk about the

923
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:13,320
permanent public safety memorial project
that that Jenny has on slide here.

924
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,320
» Okay.

925
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:22,880
major 2027 projects. Um outside of those
major facility projects, um we do have

926
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:27,840
Ames Center theater seating scheduled.
Um Ames Center upper and lower lower

927
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:34,560
lobby ceilings, so about
a million $1.4 million for those

928
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:39,040
projects. HOC ramp traffic membrane, so
that's about $475,000

929
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:43,280
as well as ice center main electrical
switchboard and transformer. So, some

930
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:47,040
some pretty large projects in across a
number of facilities.

931
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:53,920
Some key assumptions here. Utility
franchise fees um fund the majority of

932
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:58,560
of the expenditures in this fund in
2027. We estimate those at about 11.3

933
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:02,159
million.
Included [snorts] in the activity in

934
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:09,600
this fund are also annual facilities
debt service, which is currently about

935
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:13,920
$7.5 million of that 11 um 11.3 million.
And again, this does address facility

936
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:19,520
needs across the city, really throughout
all all city facilities. Um the only

937
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:25,360
exceptions to that would be the utility
um sites and those are funded through

938
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:30,080
the respective utility funds.
Um here is the the plan for the

939
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:35,520
facilities fund. um that we do have that
that hund00 million project really does

940
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:41,600
impact um the perspective of this, but
we are maintaining uh a fund balance

941
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:46,560
that's above our targeted reserve um out
into the future. We're not and and and

942
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:51,360
accumulating some fund balance. So, um
this fund is right now functioning as

943
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:54,360
intended and we're in a in a good place
here.

944
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:04,480
Um the water and sewer utility fund. So
we are scheduled or we are planning to

945
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:08,400
actually separate these two funds. Um
currently right now they are reported

946
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:14,080
together or co-mingled as one fund and
we are in the process of making that um

947
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:18,560
separation. That'll really help ease um
and help make um future rate studies and

948
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,120
other things much more simpler with
these two funds. But um right now

949
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:28,239
they're currently together, but we do we
did start with budgeting them

950
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:33,280
separately. So um the major 2027 water
projects are um about a million8 in

951
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:39,920
street improvements that did increase
and that increase was really due to the

952
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:42,800
funding strategy in the ITF fund. Um
kind of we talked about there will be

953
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,880
some additional shifts
>> voting is still going

954
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,880
» into the water and sewer fund.

955
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:57,280
Um there's a a $3 million Highway 13
frontage roads um water and water water

956
01:14:54,159 --> 01:15:04,560
portion. Um that's about $3 million.
That really is the work on Highway 13 um

957
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:11,199
from Savage to um I think it's Vincent
Avenue. Uh well rehab of $890,000

958
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:16,480
as well as um of the roof for the Nicola
reservoir.

959
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:22,640
Major sanitary sewer projects include um
lift station rehab for Washburn Washurn

960
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:26,400
lift station at a million five. Um the
san the sewer component of those

961
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:31,760
frontage road improvements along um
highway 13 as well as lining of the

962
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:35,480
vitrified clay pipe that we have in the
system at $870,000.

963
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:42,640
um key assumptions here really
addressing those high criticality items

964
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:47,600
um that were in the five-year capital
plan

965
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:51,760
um informed by the studies that we've
done. The CIP is informed um for water

966
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:56,320
and sewer is informed by a number of
studies including um the water treatment

967
01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:01,840
plan assessment, hor horizontal
infrastructure study as well as a fleet

968
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:06,800
study um and the ITF study even and
pavement management plan. Um again this

969
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:12,719
year we've engaged elers to update the
utility rate study. Last year's study

970
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:18,800
indicated um water rates would increase
about 7% annually in the future or in

971
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:25,280
the 5-year plan and sewer increases
would in sewer would increase 9.5% in

972
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:30,960
2027 and 4% annually thereafter. So
that's kind of where we were last year

973
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:35,520
at this time. Um we do expect some in
additional rate increases for imp

974
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:40,640
implementation of that utility fund
integrated utility funding strategy for

975
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:46,560
street improvement. So we did you know
allocate additional street improvement

976
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:51,360
cost related to the utility funds to the
utility funds. So we do expect those

977
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:55,760
increases to be higher this year as we
go through that study. But we'll we'll

978
01:16:53,600 --> 01:17:01,800
talk about that in September and we'll
present financial information for the

979
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:01,800
fund at that September fee meeting.

980
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:10,080
Storm water utility fund um major
projects there again street improvements

981
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:16,719
and some um ravine restoration and slope
stabilization at $550,000.

982
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:22,960
Um replacement projects of of uh storm
sewer main as well as pond cleanout and

983
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:28,080
outfall improvement program. So um some
routine projects, typical projects. Um

984
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:34,080
we've also engaged Ellers to update the
study, utility rate study here. Um the

985
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:41,440
2026 study indicated rate increases of
about four and a quarter% going forward.

986
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:46,239
Um we do anticipate an increase here as
well based on the ITF study and

987
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:50,719
implementing the integrated utility
funding strategy for street improvement.

988
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:55,520
So really um putting some of those storm
water related

989
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:59,199
expenditures in the storm water fund.
Again we'll come back with financial

990
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,480
information at the September fee meeting
as well as present the utility rate

991
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:10,880
study at that time.
Um AIM center fund this fund also has

992
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:17,920
individual um capital purchases. 560,000
is proposed in this fund for theatrical

993
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:22,560
lighting um with an LED LED conversion.
Um financial information for this fund

994
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:28,000
will also be presented at the September
fee meeting. Usually all the enterprise

995
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:32,800
funds are presented at that time.
And with that um this is just a little

996
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:37,600
reminder of um the budget calendar and
the meetings ahead. Um our next we'll

997
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:44,400
have department budget presentations
next with um the proposed budget and tax

998
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:48,960
study discussion on September 8th, the
remaining department presentations as

999
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:54,239
well. And then on September 15th, we'll
um discuss the proposed fees as well as

1000
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:59,520
the rate study and the remainder of the
funds.

1001
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:05,120
September 22nd, um the proposed city and
EDA property tax levy is scheduled to be

1002
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:10,960
adopted. We do have a discussion on the
proposed budget um scheduled for

1003
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:15,920
November 24th if needed and final uh
city and EDA property tax levy and

1004
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:21,360
budget adoption on December 8th.
And with that, I'm done. I I'm complete.

1005
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:24,560
That was a long presentation, I know,
tonight, but um if there are any

1006
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:30,560
questions, I'm here for any questions.
>> You ran me out of questions. [laughter]

1007
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:36,080
» Any questions? Thank you, Jenny. It's
always good

1008
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:44,480
to see what we're looking forward to,
especially with what we remember from 26

1009
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:48,320
and what we did back then. So,
>> yeah. So, thank you very much.

1010
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:50,719
» Great.
>> Okay. With that, we'll go to department

1011
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:55,840
budgets.
>> I'll hand it over um to Chief Smith and

1012
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:58,640
he can talk about the police department.
>> Police first.

1013
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:02,159
» Madame Mayor, members of the council.
Yeah, they got the new guy going first.

1014
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,520
So, we'll [laughter] see how this goes.
>> Big department budget presentation.

1015
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:09,920
» Uh, we'll just start with our department
overview here. The Burnsville Police

1016
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:14,000
Department is dedicated to strengthening
our culture and delivering the highest

1017
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:18,320
level of public safety service grounded
in our mission and core values to ensure

1018
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:24,199
procedural justice and protect the
dignity dignity and sanctity of human

1019
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,199
life.

1020
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:30,159
So
our investment kind of our impacts that

1021
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,520
we're looking at really is to procure
adequate resources to maintain the high

1022
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:38,800
level of service that we have for the
community. Uh leverage new technology

1023
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:43,040
and strategies regarding violent crime
reduction and ensure adequate staffing

1024
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:46,560
to meet the community's needs. So these
are kind of the three bullet points that

1025
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:52,159
drive a big part of what our budget
proposal is.

1026
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:57,120
Uh achievements. I should hit the button
for this one. Uh achievements and

1027
01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:02,880
challenges. We had about 49,000 just shy
of 50,000 calls for service in 2025. Uh

1028
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:06,960
we collaborated with the Bureau of
Criminal Criminal Apprehensions Violent

1029
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:10,400
Crime Reduction Unit. Uh that
investigator actually just started on

1030
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,880
Monday and is really excited
>> to be there. So, thank you for your

1031
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:19,806
investment in that. We've acquired
specialized equipment for officer and

1032
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:24,000
community safety. That includes two
[clears throat] armored rescue vehicles,

1033
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:27,120
one of which we received a few months
ago and the other one we're actually

1034
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:31,120
going to inspect next week and we hope
to be here with by the end of the month.

1035
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:38,000
So that's really exciting as well as
some other uh just protective equipment.

1036
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:40,560
» And your command vehicle comes when
>> that will be about two years that just

1037
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:44,080
got ordered I think.
>> Yeah, [clears throat] because we just

1038
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:50,080
approved that.
>> Correct. And that the nice thing about

1039
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:53,520
that there was no match.
>> I would I would defer to Chief Jungman

1040
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,480
on that but yes correct. Okay.
>> Yeah there was no match.

1041
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:01,040
» Excellent.
>> No the uh upfitting of that was all

1042
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:05,440
included.
>> Madam Mayor, members of the council,

1043
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:09,840
good question. Uh yes. similar to what
you saw in the fleet portion of the

1044
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:13,760
capital presentation tonight. That is a
>> uh the cost the council has seen and is

1045
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,800
planned in the cap is the total cost of
the

1046
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:22,719
» vehicle. Good. Because I wasn't quite
sure when we got that grant whether that

1047
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,400
also included the upfetting.
>> Okay.

1048
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,400
» Yeah. I think the whole thing was
budgeted for and then the grant was just

1049
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,199
going to
>> when we when we applied for the grant.

1050
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:32,400
» Correct.
>> Okay.

1051
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:36,400
Uh moving on to this page, you know,
other achievements and kind of

1052
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:40,639
challenges at the same time is adapting
to the rapidly evolving technology to

1053
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:45,360
assist in maintaining public safety. I
think we're just seeing that a lot of

1054
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:50,159
these technology costs are increasing
quickly. Uh some of the achievements in

1055
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:54,560
that area, we we have our paragon
contract and we were able to purchase

1056
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:58,159
two camera trailers this year that we've
had out.

1057
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:02,080
Um, a challenge that I know Chief
Schwarz brought up, I believe during

1058
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:07,440
this presentation last year, is in some
of our staffing and specifically the the

1059
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:12,080
span of control at the command level.
Um, we have we have some captains, one

1060
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:15,360
captain in particular, supervising more
than what would be recommended. So,

1061
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:20,320
you'll see as we move through the slides
here, one [cough] of our requests for

1062
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:24,480
2027 is is an additional captain
position.

1063
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:29,199
» Okay? And then uh again looking for
innovative ways to address violent

1064
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:34,080
crime. That BCA violent crime unit was
was one that we've been able to start

1065
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:39,760
and we continue to to look for ways to
utilize technology and other strategies

1066
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:43,760
to get after the violent crime.
I kind of mentioned it just a minute

1067
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:48,560
ago, but um one of the cost drivers is
just the the cost of the technology.

1068
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:53,440
More technology. We are more
technologydriven and that's an area

1069
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:57,840
where costs are just ever increasing.
Um we need to ensure that our critical

1070
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:03,199
equipment is replaced on schedule
according to the expected life cycle. Um

1071
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:06,960
we have some changes you'll see as we
move in here. They were items that had

1072
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:11,040
been in the IT budget that we've moved
from the IT budget to the PD budget. So

1073
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:17,360
there's an increase in the PD budget,
but citywide it's it's a wash. And then

1074
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:21,520
again, I believe it's on the next slide,
we'll talk about the additional staffing

1075
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:27,840
requests that we are requesting in the
2027 budget. [cough]

1076
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:34,080
Council member Gustoson is back just in
time for uh this first one.

1077
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:36,480
» We have had county social workers uh a
social worker working out of here.

1078
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,639
» Yeah.
>> Paid for by the county. The county did

1079
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:48,560
recently ask us if we would want to do a
5050 split for 2027.

1080
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:53,440
Um it's our feeling that that we would
get more out of having this social work

1081
01:24:50,719 --> 01:25:00,000
be funded 100% by the city.
>> One thing we found is that that she and

1082
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:02,800
and she would apply for the job, but the
count the county social worker we have

1083
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:06,000
right now is pulled in a lot of
different directions

1084
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:10,320
» because they're a county employee and
they're working out of here. So, we just

1085
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:14,239
feel like if we could staff that
full-time and pay for it with the city,

1086
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:18,239
we would get get more out of that.
>> Yeah.

1087
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:21,760
» Uh the second one, this was identified
in the organizational analysis from

1088
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:26,880
several years ago, would be a patrol
officer position. And then again, um the

1089
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,880
captain position, which I think we've
talked about over the last several

1090
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:34,880
years, trying to even out a little bit
of that. We we are very thankful for the

1091
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:39,120
support this council and the mayor have
given us with adding staff and we just

1092
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:43,600
need to kind of rightsize what
administration looks like to oversee

1093
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,520
that staff that we've added.
>> Question chief.

1094
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:48,960
» Yes.
>> How many captains do we have today?

1095
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,360
» We have three captains today
>> and you're requesting going to four.

1096
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,800
» Yeah,
>> go to four. Uh I know our neighboring

1097
01:25:54,159 --> 01:26:01,040
agencies Egan is up to five. uh they are
lieutenants there but they're equivalent

1098
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:05,280
in the there's five and Lakeville has
recently gotten to five also.

1099
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:09,120
» Have they also increased their
>> boots on the ground patrol and sworn

1100
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:13,760
officers as well?
>> I don't know that answer. I just know

1101
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:15,679
that they did add the the fifth position
recently.

1102
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:20,400
» Thank you.
>> We've been we've been running very lean

1103
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:25,920
and we need to make sure and Chief
Schwarz had talked to us about this

1104
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:32,639
two years ago.
and they didn't pull the switch on it,

1105
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:37,120
but now we need to do it.
>> Chief, can you explain the leadership

1106
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:42,000
structure of the three current captains
and the deputy chief and what this does

1107
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:46,480
more specifically or what the excuse me,
what the addition of another patrol

1108
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:50,480
captain would do to alleviate some of
this the stress and well-being concerns

1109
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:56,000
that we have?
>> Good question. Um, Madame Mayor, members

1110
01:26:52,719 --> 01:27:00,080
of the council, currently our structure,
we have the chief and of course the

1111
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:04,159
deputy chief who assists with the
day-to-day operations.

1112
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:07,679
Our captains, we have one captain, and
this has been this way for a while, for

1113
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:11,679
several years, that oversees
professional standards. So, that's all

1114
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:17,679
the policy,
um, hiring, sort of the personnel side

1115
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:22,080
of things. We have another captain that
oversees behavioral health

1116
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:27,760
investigations, community engagement,
and so that position, I think, has four

1117
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:31,520
or five sergeants reporting to them, and
typically five is about the recommended

1118
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:35,360
amount of people that would report to
you. The third captain has patrol

1119
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:39,920
» and investig.
>> We currently have nine patrol cap uh

1120
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:43,199
sergeants. That person is also
supervising the administrative sergeant

1121
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:47,360
because there's such a nexus with
patrol. So, we have one captain

1122
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:53,280
overseeing 10
patrol sergeants, which in and of itself

1123
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:59,760
is just too many. And I think when you
add in the 24hour coverage, it just

1124
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:03,840
becomes very hard to get touch points
with those sergeants that that work all

1125
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:08,239
these different shifts. Um and so when
you talk about trying to make sure that

1126
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:11,840
the sergeants get the support so that
they can give proper support to the

1127
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:17,040
officers so the officers can serve the
community that is a a point where we

1128
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,639
think having having another captain
would allow those 10 sergeants to be

1129
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:25,199
split between the two of them and they
would get much better support. Uh and

1130
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:30,560
where does investigation fall under?
>> That is under the with behavioral health

1131
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:38,080
and community engagement.
>> No, that boy that

1132
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:41,920
captain then has a full load also.
>> He does. Yeah,

1133
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:49,400
» it it at least numbers wise it's a
little more appropriate how the span of

1134
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:49,400
control [clears throat] lands there.

1135
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:56,480
» Yeah. But the number of cases you guys
work on

1136
01:28:54,080 --> 01:29:03,679
both now in behavioral health and also
in investigation, it's a lot. And on

1137
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:07,679
behavioral health, it gets more and more
because of the mental health issues that

1138
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:11,440
you guys are attending to.
>> Madame Mayor, uh members of the council,

1139
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:17,360
you are correct. There's a lot. I do
think sometimes when we add to, you

1140
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:20,480
know, say a patrol captain here, that
that doesn't mean they're only helping

1141
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:26,239
with patrol. sometimes they're going to
help that's going to help

1142
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:30,800
just inadvertently what else is going on
in the department and vice versa. So I

1143
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:36,560
think as a team effort it would allow uh
the ability to spread the span of

1144
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:39,560
control more evenly.
>> Okay,

1145
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,120
this next slide uh our capital
improvements for 2027. We really don't

1146
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:51,120
have a long list of them. We have our
regularly scheduled vehicle

1147
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:55,520
replacements. We are coming due to have
our handguns replaced. It's been 10

1148
01:29:53,600 --> 01:30:00,239
years since we did that. So that would
include the handguns, new sights, and

1149
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:04,639
they would need to have new holsters
because of they're a different

1150
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:09,040
generation of of handguns and and
sights. And then we put up here drone

1151
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:13,480
program enhancement. We're looking to
add one more drone to the fleet.

1152
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:25,760
Was there a time that we also could
uh apply for grants to cover some of our

1153
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:31,120
handguns and long guns?
>> I don't recall, Madame Mayor. I don't

1154
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:33,760
recall applying for grants for handguns.
We can certainly look into something

1155
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:39,920
like that.
I was just wondering at burn jag if we

1156
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:44,400
did that uh with the burn jag
grants but then you know it's been a

1157
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:46,800
while since I
thought about that.

1158
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:51,920
» Madam mayor, members of the council
certainly we we look at grant funding

1159
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:57,520
opportunities and alternative sources of
revenue for for this and many other uh

1160
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:02,719
operational needs. Um, uh, the police
department does a, uh, an excellent job

1161
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:05,760
at maximizing,
uh, state and federal grant

1162
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:10,080
opportunities. So certainly something
we'll keep our eye on into the future.

1163
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:13,440
I'm not off the top of my head, I I
don't recall those the specifics of

1164
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:17,199
previous grant funding.
>> Yeah. and I haven't seen any in a long

1165
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:23,520
time. So, I was just wondering since
we're looking at replacement and I saw

1166
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:27,360
in Jenny's report, she had a zero in
grant funding, federal grant that we

1167
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,800
were going out for.
>> Oh, that madame mayor, that was for um

1168
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,159
trans
>> for streets.

1169
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:36,040
» Streets. Yep.
>> Yeah, that was for streets.

1170
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:43,199
» Madame Mayor, I I also don't recall if
um Yeah, I just looked it up. the the

1171
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:50,400
burn jag grant that we got that we most
recently got was was for $20,000ish and

1172
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:53,199
I think that's what we shared with Apple
Valley. So

1173
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:57,679
» and we and we have used that. We've
earmarked that for some uses.

1174
01:31:54,639 --> 01:32:04,480
» Okay. But not much.
>> Uh here are our major changes on the

1175
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:09,440
operations side. Axiom is a forensics.
It's a computer forensics program. the

1176
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:16,159
Axel group. We've we've entered into our
budget to refresh the the staffing study

1177
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:20,560
that we did about four years ago. Now, a
lot has changed in those four years. A

1178
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:24,239
lot um some really great
>> look at this

1179
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:28,880
» time off benefits, but that is also, you
know, having an effect on our schedule.

1180
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:33,440
So, we just want to refresh what what
our staffing looks like.

1181
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:36,159
» Uh ballistic shields we have up there.
There's the burn jag.

1182
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,719
» Yeah. funding we were talking about.
That's just a placeholder for the things

1183
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:44,800
that we've identified. We're going to
purchase the captain. We just mentioned

1184
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:49,040
CEN partner fees which are now combined
with the old records management system

1185
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:53,040
that those went up
a little bit.

1186
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:59,920
DCC operating budget, you can see that
went up about $76,000.

1187
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:04,080
LES is a it's a collaborative incident
response that that allows negotiators to

1188
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:07,920
work with members of the SWAT team and
others on on scenes of critical

1189
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:13,840
incidents. We have some night vision
goggles. The officer we talked about our

1190
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:19,840
our radios. We pay a fee per radio per
month to have access to the to the

1191
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:24,639
actual radio system. That fee went up
and so you see that there in the 2027

1192
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:29,480
amount. And then the social worker that
we discussed from the county,

1193
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:38,960
our revenues, uh, actually you see it
went up about $37,000. A big portion of

1194
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:44,080
that is from adding in the reimbursement
from the state for the BCA's violent

1195
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:48,080
crime officer that we put there. And
then there was a little bit of a change

1196
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:51,080
in the insurance premium tax from the
state.

1197
01:33:51,360 --> 01:34:00,000
And my final slide, this is just broken
down by division, the the changes. Um,

1198
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:05,199
I'll point out one thing. You'll see
patrol went down minus 2%. That was

1199
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:10,080
really uh because of some workers
compensation numbers that mitigated the

1200
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:15,800
increase. So, we ended up with about
what is that $347,000

1201
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,800
decrease.

1202
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:25,920
Madame Mayor and members of the council,
you have any questions?

1203
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,600
» Any Yeah, DK,
>> thank you, Chief. Appreciate that level

1204
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:33,760
of detail, too.
>> Question on the the cost of the captain.

1205
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:37,440
Is that a captain's salary or is that
the net effect of promoting a sergeant

1206
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:41,360
and then promoting a patrolman to
sergeant and then bringing on another

1207
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,560
patrolman to kind of replace? Right.
Council member Keley, that was a

1208
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:50,320
captain's salary. So, it would be an
additional full-time uh position.

1209
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:54,800
» So, we the net ad though is promoting
from within from a sergeant to go up and

1210
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:58,639
then a patrol officer to a sergeant and
then a new patrol officer. The does that

1211
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:02,719
essentially equate to the same thing?
The cost of a new patrol officer and

1212
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:06,080
then those two incremental increases in
existing salaries ends up being about

1213
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:12,480
the same as
>> what that captain's total salary is.

1214
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:15,840
» Yeah. Uh, council member Keely, I think
there's different ways to look at it,

1215
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,520
but essentially the FTE we would be
adding would be the

1216
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,639
» Yeah,
>> the captains, but yes, you'd be shifting

1217
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,639
» right
>> as they moved up.

1218
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:28,719
» And then in addition, one more patrol
officer, and that was

1219
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:31,120
» just strictly boots on the ground,
another patrol officer on top of what we

1220
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:32,800
had added,
>> correct?

1221
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,080
» Over the last four years, I guess, or
whatever it was.

1222
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:39,520
» Yes.
>> Okay. And madame mayor, members of the

1223
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:43,920
council, just for uh clarity sake, the
organizational analysis for 2027 called

1224
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:47,840
for both that patrol officer position
and the police captain position. You

1225
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:52,480
also might recall and for the
community's benefit for for those who

1226
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:56,960
are watching um we've taken a new
approach now with the 2027 budget and

1227
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:02,000
organizational analysis getting through
kind of that that uh the the four-year

1228
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:05,920
plan of the original organizational
analysis where we're dealing with

1229
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,159
staffing requests based on the studies
and operational plans that we do

1230
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:13,760
internally. um uh and then using the
budget process to determine whether or

1231
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:18,560
not those identified needs would be
funded uh in the in the coming operating

1232
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:23,120
budgets. Kind of taking that year of a
year-over-year evaluation approach over

1233
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:29,360
time. So, both of those positions were
identified as staffing needs in the 2027

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01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:33,440
organizational analysis. the one in the
police department that wasn't is the the

1235
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:40,719
question on the bringing the social
worker position right into the organ.

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01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:47,520
» Can we dig into that a little deeper?
What is the hourly demand based on the

1237
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:51,440
history of that social worker
>> like the weekly average, monthly

1238
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:56,639
average,
um you know based on the [clears throat]

1239
01:36:54,159 --> 01:37:00,080
cases that they are involved in or the
circumstances that they're involved in.

1240
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:06,639
Council member Keely, that's a good
question. I don't have the breakdown

1241
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:12,719
here. What I'm told is that we're
probably getting less than a quarter of

1242
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:15,760
an FTE actually going out taking calls
because of the requirements at the

1243
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:20,960
county level that that she's being
pulled into and and asked to do and

1244
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:24,000
various administrative tasks that come
from the county.

1245
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:26,880
» Sure. Which that was part of the thing
up front, right? It was a partnership.

1246
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:28,800
We're going to give you this person.
Yeah.

1247
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:32,320
» They weren't giving us a full-time
person. They were sharing a person with

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01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:38,320
us. and
>> only when they when she's available.

1249
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:42,800
» Yeah. So, it makes I agree with your
suggestion that we bring the person in

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01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:48,960
house, but I'm trying to get at what's
the hourly demand for that person that's

1251
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:53,040
driving that decision.
>> You will uh council member Keely, we

1252
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:57,760
will look into some of that. I do
believe they gave me some items. I just

1253
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:59,520
don't have it right in front of me.
Can

1254
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,520
» Can I ask a followup on what you're
asking, Dan?

1255
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:05,920
» Yeah.
I I I guess I'm more interested in what

1256
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,480
how often do we lose that person's
services because the county pulled them

1257
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:12,080
away and we actually could have used
that person is probably more important

1258
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:15,440
in my mind.
>> Council member Gusto and I think that's

1259
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:19,280
where and don't quote me on the number
but what I was told was about 25% of the

1260
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:24,159
time we have her here
>> and so about 75% of the time she's out

1261
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:26,560
doing other other tasks not
>> for the county somewhere else.

1262
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:29,440
» Right. Okay.
>> Well, she has a case load at the county.

1263
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:32,719
No, and I I get that, but I'm just
saying we're losing those services for

1264
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:36,239
that period of time and that we could
use that person.

1265
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:42,400
» Yeah, that's that's really the genesis
of why I'm asking is that 75% jump

1266
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:50,080
» is the whole 75%
>> uh driven by demand or is it uh twice

1267
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:54,080
what we have her which is that would put
make it a halftime person, right? And

1268
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:58,159
what does she what would we have her do
in the other half of that time if the

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01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:00,159
call volume were the same going forward?
>> Yeah.

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01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:04,800
» Yeah. Matt,
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council, I

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01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:11,520
I think there would be work sadly there
would be work for her for the full time.

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01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:15,119
Um I I mean anecdotally listening to the
radio, there's no shortage of mental

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01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,360
health calls and
>> go ahead

1274
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:21,199
» madame members of the council. I think
that's the probably the most important

1275
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:27,280
the important point of trying to
quantify this is we we believe that to

1276
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:32,960
to the chief's point it's about 25% of
the individual's time uh that is that is

1277
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:38,080
being spent on Burnsville specific case
work uh addressing mental health needs

1278
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:43,280
uh and supporting the department from a
uh from a crisis and uh and community

1279
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:47,679
well-being uh perspective and really
when you just do the simple math from

1280
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:50,560
our perspective uh Although we very much
appreciate the partnership of the

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01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:55,440
county, the county has funded this
program for years. Uh that's been a an

1282
01:39:52,880 --> 01:40:00,880
important collaborative effort with the
county's request uh for the city to fund

1283
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:05,119
50% of that position. Uh you start
getting to very small numbers in terms

1284
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:09,600
of the outcome or result that the city's
getting for that investment. And if

1285
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:13,520
we're going to invest 50%, we believe
that that really that the full

1286
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:18,880
investment in bringing that in-house,
much like the council and staff talked

1287
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:25,920
in our most recent off-site uh annual
retreat, uh has a exponentially more

1288
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:30,000
significant benefit to the mental health
needs of the community and of the

1289
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:34,800
department moving forward. As a matter
of fact, we probably could quantify

1290
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:40,880
additional need beyond that when it
comes to uh um our

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01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:45,679
mental health, well-being, behavioral
health unit needs. [snorts]

1292
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:50,719
» Can I follow up? I just
>> So,

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01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:53,760
we're getting into uh just high level at
this point, but sort of usage and

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01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:57,199
demand.
>> Um

1295
01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:01,920
I
uh agree 100%. no reason not to agree

1296
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:07,600
that there are mental health calls
coming in all the time. How would this

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01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:12,480
person cover those calls seven days a
week as a full-time employee? Maybe

1298
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:17,760
that's to Greg's point. There's really
need for more than one, but um you know,

1299
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:21,760
mental health calls aren't 9 to5, right?
They're evenings, sometimes overnight,

1300
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:26,080
early mornings, weekends.
>> Would this person have that sort of

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01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:29,600
flexibility in that schedule as if they
were brought on as a full-time employee?

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01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:33,360
Council member Keely, that's a good
question. And with our behavioral health

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01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:38,080
unit, even amongst them, they work some
some more flexible hours, but you're

1304
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:43,040
absolutely right. We we can't cover with
what we have 24 hours a day. Uh it does

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01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:47,440
allow her to be here for follow-ups,
which is is helpful. Uh as luck would

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01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:49,520
have it, the very last document I looked
had the information you're asking for.

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01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:56,080
Great.
>> So, um this was from May. Uh but last

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01:41:53,440 --> 01:42:01,600
year she the current social worker was
responsible for 468 of our 826 cases

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01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:06,800
assigned for followup. Yeah.
>> So those would be cases the next day

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01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:13,520
that she could help with uh in 2026. As
of that date, May 20th this year, it was

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01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:19,119
173 out of 357 calls to date. And then
it was uh as I thought they they're

1312
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:22,400
saying that we receive about 25% of the
social workers overall work time due to

1313
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,960
countywide obligations and staffing
shortages

1314
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:29,679
» and they're able to cover about half the
case load it sounds like which

1315
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:35,199
» from a quarter of the time. So
>> well I you know I I certainly am in

1316
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:40,639
support of [snorts] of of the concept. I
think there's a lot to be discussed as

1317
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:44,719
far as coverage. Uh so that when a call
comes in, they're available because

1318
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:50,719
that's why we would want to have the
full-time is is to always be there when

1319
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:55,840
that type of serious call comes in and
we would rely on her s her or his at

1320
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:58,400
some point maybe services uh to help the
PD.

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01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:01,679
» Yes. And I think it's important to note,
madame mayor, members of the council

1322
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:07,040
that we still have access to the
county's crisis line. We still utilize

1323
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:12,320
dispatch takes in calls and triages them
and there's a lot of calls that that do

1324
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:16,159
get sent just off to Dakota's social
services. So there are still

1325
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:19,159
» Oh, there's like additional depth of
>> resour

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01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:29,040
air to the Dakota County. I mean, I when
we came up with this some years ago,

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01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:34,400
it's really nice for them to step up and
say because they have those specialty

1328
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:37,760
resources in their staff where we don't.
Um, and it's been really a great

1329
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:41,280
partnership to have that. It's what got
it off the ground. It's what got us to

1330
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:43,600
where we are today. It's probably time
for us to take it in house.

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01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:48,639
» Yeah.
>> Madam Oh, go ahead. I like the fact that

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01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:56,480
we're going to be well-rounded because
we have um uh a paramedic embedded as

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01:43:53,119 --> 01:44:03,040
well. So, that helps with the medication
uh aspect of when we get those calls.

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01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:09,199
And now we have a backup with a social
worker that can follow up on those kinds

1335
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:15,440
of calls as well because psychologically
it's not when you address the issue when

1336
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:18,719
it happens you're going to have
followup.

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01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:22,639
» Correct. Madame Mayor, members of the
council and and council member Keeler,

1338
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:26,320
I'm glad you you mentioned that this is,
you know, this is a

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01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:32,159
» simply an opportunity that has presented
itself for us to to bring a person a a

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01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:37,360
position in house. Uh it is we are very
thankful for the county's partnership

1341
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:40,719
and this is in no way sort of u
a negative thing. It's just an

1342
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:44,560
opportunity that's presented itself.
>> It's basically like a federal grant gets

1343
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:48,960
us three years with an officer or
firefighter and then we're on our own.

1344
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:52,480
um they gave us that that grant to get
us the program going.

1345
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:55,199
» Yeah. So, I think we've grown big enough
that we can take it from here and

1346
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:58,480
appreciate their help
>> because I know in the behavioral health

1347
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:03,199
unit,
they're always following up on these

1348
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:12,280
cases
until they can hand it off to a

1349
01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:12,280
psychologist or a psychiatrist for

1350
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:21,360
meds and and followup
counseling. Yeah.

1351
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:25,560
that
>> because I know they're always busy.

1352
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:33,679
» Yeah. So, I think it's the in the right
direction.

1353
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:37,920
Makes us wellrounded.
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council,

1354
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:43,199
thank you. Yeah,
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council, uh

1355
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:47,280
just for for clarity sake, um from a
policy direction, is the city council

1356
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:51,600
supportive or comfortable of moving
forward with the concept of including

1357
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:54,639
» embedded social work funding in the
city's budget? Uh or would you like

1358
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:58,480
additional information or additional
conversation?

1359
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:00,800
» Are you imperative that we have that?
Agreed. Okay.

1360
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,320
» 100%.
>> Unanimous.

1361
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,400
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1362
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,600
» Okay.
>> Yes. Madame Mayor, members of the

1363
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,239
council, thank you.
>> Okay.

1364
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:14,880
» All right. I'm gonna hand it over. Are
you now as we'll see?

1365
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:19,840
» Okay. It's Garrett.
>> Yeah, it's Garrett's turn.

1366
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:23,679
» That's true.
>> As we make the transition, mayor and

1367
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:27,920
council again, the city obviously
grateful for the county's partnership

1368
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:32,239
and support and uh the social work
program. And I'll make sure the county

1369
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:35,040
manager knows our direction and um uh
we'll keep working through the budget

1370
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:40,600
process. You'll hear more about this in
the operating budget presentation

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01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,600
that'll happen in September as well.

1372
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:48,960
» Okay, Garrett, floor is yours.
>> Good evening, madame mayor, members of

1373
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:53,440
the council. Um, so the parks,
recreation, and facilities department

1374
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:58,159
includes recreation uh facilities
management, which is a combination of

1375
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:02,560
both our caring for our infrastructure,
but it also includes the daily cleaning

1376
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:07,920
and the room setups and different things
like that. uh the Burns Ice Center,

1377
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:14,400
Burnwood Golf Course, and our team
exists to provide great spaces, places,

1378
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:18,800
and activities for the community.
So, some of the things going on uh in

1379
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:22,880
2027,
uh we have some staff reallocation,

1380
01:47:20,639 --> 01:47:28,800
which I'll talk about later on, uh and
an overall budget reduction in the

1381
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:34,400
recreation budget. Um, we, you know, in
addition to the in-house work that our

1382
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:38,719
team does, uh, we're constantly looking
to collaborate with outside groups to

1383
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:43,920
help offer programming out into the
community. Um, and have a lot of, um,

1384
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:48,880
engagement both with our own activities
and also, you know, if there's different

1385
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:54,159
projects or programs going on in our
department or other departments helping

1386
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:58,480
with that process as well. Um we are
very close to wrapping up our recreation

1387
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:02,000
services review uh and we'll be looking
to implement the results of that in

1388
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:08,400
2027.
Um and then uh just a normal part of our

1389
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:15,400
process uh we use the community feedback
to help inform our programs and facility

1390
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:15,400
improvements that we're doing.

1391
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:24,560
As we look at Burnhamwood, um continue
to see sustained growth uh in rounds and

1392
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:29,840
youth participation. Um the only thing
that seems to be uh looking to challenge

1393
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:34,639
that would be weather. Um but we've just
had some really great years of of

1394
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:40,480
weather uh during the summer. And so our
rounds in increasing continue to show

1395
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:45,199
that as well as um it's really become a
the high schools and and different youth

1396
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:50,159
groups uh look to Burnhamwood to to help
um run their programs and things like

1397
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:55,440
that. Um we continue to transition to
electric and autonomous equipment uh

1398
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:58,800
which has been a great help for uh the
different types of mowing and things

1399
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:03,360
like that going on out at the course
whether it's the uh the rough or the

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01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:09,199
fairways. uh we're now able to use that
equipment uh which helps to reduce the

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01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:13,679
the staff time needs for that. Um and
then uh the Burnhamwood is part of our

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01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:19,920
facility assessment study that we
completed in 2024. So just uh continuing

1403
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:23,719
to work on the on the course uh to
implement those recommendations.

1404
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:34,480
over at the ice center. Uh we a couple
months ago brought on uh TJ Wheeland and

1405
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:38,800
uh he is our new ice center manager. Um
one of the things that uh we just

1406
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:41,840
started doing uh this is the second year
of doing it is the state of the ice

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01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:46,960
center where we bring in all of our
legacy groups and uh talk to them about

1408
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:51,679
the changes coming up at the ice center
uh both within the facility but also in

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01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:56,000
the rental uses and whatnot. So really
gives us a chance to understand what

1410
01:49:53,199 --> 01:50:00,960
their needs are early on. Uh that which
helps us to understand uh what the

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01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:05,840
openings are in ice time uh so that we
can uh work with uh other groups that

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01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:11,040
are not part of the legacy groups to
help fill those hours as quickly as and

1413
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:16,239
efficiently as possible. Um, and then
one of the things TJ uh has been asked

1414
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:21,440
to do in his position um is obviously
come in, learn Bernzo, understand um

1415
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:27,440
what we're doing and what we're doing
well, but also uh start to look at

1416
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:32,159
potential non ice uh and just events in
on civic center property and whatnot

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01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:37,159
that can help um attract additional
people to the facility and to the area.

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01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:47,440
As we look at facilities, um, uh, the
police city hall phase one care, uh, we

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01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:52,800
are still on time, uh, to open this
facility, uh, towards the end of

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01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:58,639
September. Uh, and we are actually, uh,
going to be having someone start on

1421
01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:03,360
August 17th that'll be working during
the day for the first time to help

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01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:08,960
clean, uh, the facility and do room
setups and things like that. So that is

1423
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:13,280
a a new addition um starting here later
this month uh which will be extremely

1424
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:19,280
important as we open up that new
facility and and take care of it on a

1425
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:26,400
daily basis. Uh obviously the the phase
two um phasing and planning uh is a

1426
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:32,320
major part of this team as we look to uh
transition our police department out of

1427
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:37,599
their existing space into uh new
temporary spaces as we start to renovate

1428
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:43,199
the the police area during phase two of
the construction project. Uh our team is

1429
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:50,000
also now meeting about two to three
times a month uh to do the fire station

1430
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:54,239
2 planning. Um there is just the general
facility care of the 58 different

1431
01:51:52,480 --> 01:52:01,280
facilities that we have throughout the
city. Um both from an infrastructure and

1432
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:04,239
a a daily maintenance need. Um, and then
we have [clears throat] a city hall

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01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:10,880
events manager and a facility
superintendent uh that we will be uh

1434
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:15,280
looking to add in 2027, which I'll talk
about when we get to the staffing spot.

1435
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:19,920
So,
from an achievements and challenges

1436
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:25,199
standpoint, um, achievement recreation
services uh is almost wrapped up. The

1437
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:31,679
parks wayfinding was delivered uh late
last month and uh we are on schedule and

1438
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:38,480
moving along well for getting the arts
commission kicked off uh for a January

1439
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:42,159
1st meeting for them of 2027.
Uh cons continue to see a strong

1440
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:48,480
facility demand at the golf course and
ice center. Um, [snorts] we have a phase

1441
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:55,199
one uh all the all the work that went
into relocating uh city hall staff

1442
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:59,520
during phase one and to deal with just
the construction on the property uh to

1443
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:05,360
make sure that our services to the
community weren't impacted um was a a

1444
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:12,000
major accomplishment for the facilities
team to help pull that off. Um we are

1445
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:16,800
preparing for the phase one opening and
uh all the phase 2 staff relocations for

1446
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:24,800
police that we talked about uh coming
up. Um challenges and achievements as

1447
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:30,239
the pickle ball project as we now have a
a a place for that. Uh and we'll be

1448
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:36,719
doing the engagement for that. Uh I want
to say what is the later this week on

1449
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:43,360
the 14th at Cliff End. Um and then the
onboarding of an events manager and a

1450
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:49,719
facility superintendent. So um will be
uh something that we will need to look

1451
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:49,719
at that process in 2027.

1452
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:56,480
Trends and cost drivers. Uh so no
different than what you'll hear for most

1453
01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:01,520
departments is the cost of goods and
services and and inflation um obviously

1454
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:06,159
is a pressure each year as we're going
through the the budget. Uh over at the

1455
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:10,960
Ice Center, uh for the last two years,
we've benefited quite nicely from the

1456
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:15,199
fact that a couple of our neighbors to
the north have had major renovations to

1457
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:22,000
their IC center facilities, and those
are both complete now. So, um we will

1458
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:25,679
most likely see a drop in revenue uh
just like we saw an increase when they

1459
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:31,920
were going through the process and as
they return back, uh we will most likely

1460
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:36,880
lose them as as our customer.
And then uh the elevated uh care

1461
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:44,480
standards and service needs related to
police city hall. Um whether it's just

1462
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:48,880
elevator contracts or uh our staff work
um on the things that they'll need to do

1463
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:54,560
on a daily basis, the equipment, the
materials. Um what you think about the

1464
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:59,119
windows and and the need to have uh
contracts related to cleaning those

1465
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:02,719
windows most likely a couple times a
year and things like that.

1466
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:11,199
So, uh, this takes us to the staffing.
Um,

1467
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:17,679
as I mentioned, uh, earlier, uh, we had
a recreation administrative assistant,

1468
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:21,280
uh, who recently retired. Um, and I'm
100% uh convinced that the most

1469
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,840
important thing that we could have done
with that position in our department was

1470
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:30,880
create another facility technician
position who will pretty much be

1471
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:34,800
responsible about 4 hours a day during
the day to help clean the facility and

1472
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:38,639
go through it. Um, which you'll you see
at other facilities that you go into.

1473
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:43,119
Um, and then they'll also be able to
help with infrastructure needs when

1474
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:49,280
they're not doing that process. Um, I
also know that um the initial recreation

1475
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:54,560
administrative assistant helped out our
rec staff quite a bit and uh they are uh

1476
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:58,159
without that position anymore.
Obviously, they're under more pressure

1477
01:55:55,920 --> 01:56:02,400
than ever to do their programming and do
the things that they do, but uh

1478
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:09,199
nonetheless uh absolutely the right
decision to reclassify that. um the

1479
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:15,199
events coordinator position in 2027. Uh
what that is is we are going to be

1480
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:21,360
opening up uh a new community space in
February of 2028. Uh we anticipate we'll

1481
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:26,960
have corporate meetings in there,
weddings, uh a variety of different

1482
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:33,119
activities and uh this position would
help to basically manage all of those

1483
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:37,520
types of rentals and preparing for that
uh those types of events in the city

1484
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:40,480
hall spaces.
And then the uh third

1485
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:46,480
» because our city hall is going to be
functioning a little closer to a

1486
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:52,960
community center than a city hall. I I
anticipate the we will have a very wide

1487
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:58,639
variety of activities for people looking
to rent out those three spaces uh either

1488
01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:03,440
separately or when they can be opened up
um and hosting, you know, over 300

1489
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:07,360
people in them. So, um it's it's going
to be quite different than the type of

1490
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,440
» services and activities we have here
right now.

1491
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:13,760
» And we're going to need somebody who can
dedicate their

1492
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:16,560
» uh time and expertise to that type of
activity. It's going to be very

1493
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:19,040
different from any other city hall
because of our engagement with the

1494
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,080
people.
>> Correct.

1495
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:24,239
» Is their house.
>> Mayor, mayor and council.

1496
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:28,960
» Oh,
>> I would

1497
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:35,199
uh add to council member Schultz's
comment and the mayors that when we uh

1498
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:40,080
when I'm in Egan, for instance, at an
event at their city hall, it's really a

1499
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:43,840
community center. Um, and I'm I'm glad
that we finally have a city hall

1500
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:47,920
facility that meets the community's
needs the way other cities around us do.

1501
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:50,719
Um, and you know, I feel like we're
catching up in a way because we sort of

1502
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:53,599
stayed in this building a little longer
than maybe we should have, but you know,

1503
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:57,920
without doing an update.
>> Well, Egan, when you're at their city

1504
01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:01,599
hall, it's a city city hall because they
have a community center.

1505
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:05,280
» Yes. Kind of right there. Right. It's
it's where a lot of their functions

1506
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:08,080
happen and it's a city facility. It's
not a privately owned deal. Right.

1507
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:12,421
Actually, they have two.
>> That's Yes, they have two.

1508
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:16,159
» I just want to say to the police,
[clears throat]

1509
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:20,400
» apology for the second time in 10 years
displacing your entire department for a

1510
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:24,639
remodel. [snorts]
>> That was rough the last time. Was it 10

1511
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:28,159
years ago? Nine years ago,
>> 2016.

1512
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:31,360
» Yeah. And and now you got to do it all
over again. And I'm sure there's some

1513
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:35,679
like, well, we got practice. We did it
before. We can do it again.

1514
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:37,599
» It'll it'll be all right.
Yeah.

1515
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:41,280
» Okay. Garrett.
>> Then the third position up there is a

1516
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:47,119
facility superintendent. That would be a
new position. Um I would liken that to

1517
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:50,719
we have 76 parks and we have a a park
superintendent. We have all of our

1518
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:54,639
recreation programs. We have a
recreation superintendent. This

1519
01:58:52,320 --> 01:59:00,080
particular position would really be
responsible for helping with the

1520
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:06,000
infrastructure management of uh our 58
facilities that we have. um leading

1521
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:09,119
projects, writing backgrounds, doing all
those things to help manage it and

1522
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:12,320
obviously work collaborative
collaboratively with the different

1523
01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:16,480
departments that are in those
facilities, but really helping to

1524
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:22,080
coordinate all of that, manage the CIP,
all those kinds of things. So,

1525
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:26,480
» two different um roles from the park
superintendent to the facilities

1526
01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:29,679
superintendent because we have a lot of
facilities

1527
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:36,960
» in our portfolio.
>> Yeah. So, this person is going to be uh

1528
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:39,360
overseeing all of the facilities,
>> correct? Yep.

1529
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:42,880
» And reporting to you,
>> correct?

1530
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:48,080
» Yeah.
>> From a capital improvement standpoint,

1531
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:51,599
um you know, similar to the parks
inventory and assessment, we did a

1532
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:57,440
facilities inventory and assessment. um
that has been uh a great help and a

1533
01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:02,080
guide for us as we uh now understand
what our condition one and two items

1534
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:07,920
are. Uh we've assigned values to those
and as we work through the CIP each year

1535
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:12,960
uh we kind of label the different items
uh that we're considering uh into these

1536
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:17,840
four different categories. So, if it's a
condition one and two, um we're still

1537
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:21,599
going to if it's a if it's a life safety
issue, that is the single most important

1538
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:28,239
thing we need to make sure that's taken
care of. Um just slightly below that is

1539
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:32,960
the critical infrastructure piece. Um
you know, that would be things like your

1540
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:38,239
generators, um your transfer switches
where if they were to fail on you, um

1541
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:42,800
you could lose uh service to the
facility, which would not be good for

1542
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:46,719
anyone. Um, so, uh, then we start to
move down to a three, which would be the

1543
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:50,960
damage prevention infrastructure. So,
that's your building envelope protection

1544
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:56,000
type things where if you're not taking
care of them, um, that may lead to

1545
02:00:54,080 --> 02:01:00,320
additional damage and cost to a
facility. So, uh, still pretty

1546
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:03,599
important. And then uh a four and things
that we tend to bump at times and

1547
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:08,719
evaluate, hey, can we get another year
or two out of this would be things like

1548
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:13,840
operational efficiency and uh just that
it's indicated that it is at the end of

1549
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:20,360
life, but um it's still in good working
order and we could get another uh

1550
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,360
additional amount of time out of it.

1551
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:32,159
So So
those were hidden, right? Is that it? So

1552
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:37,679
that wraps up my presentation. I will
stand for any questions or comments.

1553
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:43,719
» I asked mine earlier.
>> Thank you. Next one is Mark. Mark,

1554
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:43,719
you're on deck.

1555
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:49,040
» Actually, no, that one got snuck.
>> Oh, you you forgot to give us your

1556
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:51,840
» So, there are a couple more fun ones
here. So,

1557
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:54,639
» all right. Um
>> Yeah, you forgot your budget.

1558
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:59,119
» Yeah.
>> Well, that's hard. Hey, I [laughter]

1559
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:04,400
want to get it over to Mark. No. Um,
talked a little bit about uh the

1560
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:09,360
recreation uh revenues and whatnot. So,
as you look on this, not a lot of change

1561
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:14,000
um in AC across [clears throat] the
board. Um the ice center number that you

1562
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:19,199
see there is really a just a
conservative reflection of the fact that

1563
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:24,880
we anticipate uh we may be losing some
of the ice rentals that from the fact

1564
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:29,440
that our neighbors to the north are
they're back up and running completely.

1565
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:36,080
So uh that is what that number is for
there. Uh we do have we're projecting

1566
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:39,840
increases in our recreation fund and
continue at the golf course just based

1567
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:45,360
on trends that those continue to go
higher.

1568
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:50,239
Uh from an operating expense standpoint
again most of the numbers are pretty

1569
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:56,280
low. Uh there are two big numbers that
you'll see in there. Uh one is a

1570
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:56,280
negative $179,914

1571
02:02:56,639 --> 02:03:05,679
from recreation. uh that is a result of
uh in 2026 we had the arts commission

1572
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:10,239
study. So there is uh that is not part
of the budget anymore because that is

1573
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:18,159
complete and then it is also the uh
wreck admin position is moving out of

1574
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:22,880
recreation uh into facilities. So that
takes us to the large number in the

1575
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:27,920
facilities ma maintenance position which
is moving that wreck admin position into

1576
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:33,320
facility maintenance. And then it is
also the addition of the facility

1577
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,320
superintendent.

1578
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:48,400
And
our next slide just takes a look at um

1579
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:54,480
general fund and the a 4% increase in
operating expenses. Again, a lot of that

1580
02:03:50,639 --> 02:04:00,480
is just related to uh the the different
things um you know the different cost

1581
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:06,199
increases uh going on across the board
uh for those different facilities. So

1582
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,199
pretty nominal at 4%.

1583
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:11,040
And now
>> now

1584
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:15,440
» question.
>> Yes.

1585
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:20,960
» Um Garrett,
city manager Lindberg, what's the

1586
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:27,920
tenative plans looking out beyond the
remodel of uh police and city hall for

1587
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:32,560
the old youth garage space or prior
youth youth garage space? Do we have

1588
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:39,599
conversations with anybody looking out I
guess 28 forward possibly?

1589
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:43,760
» Uh I guess I have a couple thoughts. Um
uh the first is uh thank you for

1590
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:47,520
everyone's patience. That particular
facility has been instrumental in

1591
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:51,920
helping us manage the transition of the
phases as we u you know police is going

1592
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:58,560
to be taking over a large portion of
that as we go into phase two. Um but um

1593
02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:03,520
our our one of the next things we'll be
doing in a few years is uh Mark is going

1594
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:09,840
to be helping us to better understand
what uh the maintenance facility needs

1595
02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:14,320
and uh are with the programming there um
and the potential

1596
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:18,320
uh how we manage all the different
buildings that we're in and whatnot. So

1597
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:24,480
that may have an influence on it. Um, as
far as programming and whatnot, uh, we

1598
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:28,480
are are ready and open to, uh,
considering different groups coming in

1599
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:33,360
there, uh, once we feel comfortable that
we've done all the study that we need to

1600
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:37,360
do. And it wouldn't, um, it would be
okay to bring them in and then, uh, have

1601
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:41,840
them be able to be in there for a period
of time without saying, "Oh, guess what?

1602
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:44,880
Sorry. Um, this isn't going to work
right now." So,

1603
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:49,040
» um,
>> so, one last question. Uh, since the

1604
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:53,547
police department's going to move in
there, uh, have you put together the

1605
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:57,520
police department band to play on stage
[laughter] up here,

1606
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:59,760
» council member Keely, I believe it's the
vehicles are moving over there.

1607
02:05:59,442 --> 02:06:04,480
[laughter]
>> And they pulled the sound system out.

1608
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:08,920
» Yeah, right.
>> I heard their name was the blazing

1609
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,920
sirens.

1610
02:06:11,887 --> 02:06:13,907
[cough and clears throat]

1611
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,920
» Okay.
>> All right. My wife peakedked out

1612
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:21,040
clearly. All right. Good evening, mayor,
council members.

1613
02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:25,199
» Here we go. The most fun budget that you
will see tonight.

1614
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:28,080
» Our team. Uh, so this is really what I
consider your stage crew, right? This is

1615
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:31,199
the crew that works behind the scenes
every day to make sure normal happens

1616
02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:34,880
here in the city of Burnsville. Whether
it be the transportation system, safe

1617
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:40,159
and reliable drinking water, conveyance
of waste water, natural resources,

1618
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:42,639
parks, and the engineering.
One of the things that Chief Smith

1619
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:48,320
brought up I think is really important
to just be aware of is when you look

1620
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:52,719
down our fleet sewer and um park
superintendent um they oversee 13. So

1621
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:57,119
our park main superintendent in our
streets actually have 13 direct reports

1622
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:01,679
which I think is just an interesting as
you look at this structure doesn't quite

1623
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:07,760
do justice to um just how impressive uh
the job is and and trying to coordinate

1624
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:11,199
the chaos that is dayto-day here.
As I said, uh fundamentally we operate

1625
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:14,159
and maintain infrastructure. We're
looking at doing sustainable development

1626
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:17,040
enhancements. And when I say sustainable
development, that's not just like

1627
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:20,079
environmentally, that's financially
sustainable. And are we building with

1628
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:23,760
maintenance in mind? Are we thinking
about long-term cost implications of

1629
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:27,360
everything that we're doing? And then
really again continuing to emphasize

1630
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:31,280
just enhancing the culture within the
public works department. Um because at

1631
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:34,560
the end of the day, our people are who
take care of the community. So what are

1632
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:37,560
we doing for them to best serve the
community?

1633
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:44,480
As we look at the the group again, we're
making normal happen here in the city.

1634
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:47,520
As in putting together this budget, we
prioritized really those current

1635
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:50,159
services and maintenance of what we
have. You're going to see a lot of

1636
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:53,360
investments in technology and
infrastructure. And the important thing

1637
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:58,480
is especially as we talk about the water
treatment plant is those um projects

1638
02:07:56,159 --> 02:08:03,040
have to be sequenced in order to be
done. And so just a ton of thought went

1639
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:07,280
into what is the order to be smart in
how we're making the investments to not

1640
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:11,679
undo anything that was previously in the
way but also deliver the critical

1641
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:15,520
services that we have to do that. Uh
that said our approach will continue to

1642
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:19,520
mature as we continue to leverage data.
So a lot of the capital studies you've

1643
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:23,119
seen we've operationalized that data.
We're using that to gather more data.

1644
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:27,040
And so as staff gets better at at
leveraging the information we're

1645
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:32,800
gathering, that'll just continue to
inform uh future actions.

1646
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:37,199
As we talk about our achievement and
challenges, um we have completed a lot

1647
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:40,880
of capital studies which have been
timeconuming. We are leveraging

1648
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:44,239
technology to gather more useful
information as I touched on. We are

1649
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:49,199
expanding the use of electronic
processes both internal and customerf

1650
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:52,719
facing for external. Our team, I think,
is definitely starting to hit their

1651
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:56,960
momentum. Um, going through the
different budget softwares over the last

1652
02:08:54,159 --> 02:09:00,880
few years. Jeff next to me is the deputy
is basically our budget guru and who

1653
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:07,280
knows this pretty much forwards,
backwards, and inside out. Um, we made

1654
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:10,079
significant gains with just improving
the services to the public, but we also

1655
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:14,560
acknowledge the fact the public wants
more and there's a cost for that and

1656
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:17,840
trying to strike that balance um will be
a never- ending challenge. Then

1657
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:21,119
obviously as you well know when it comes
to infrastructure the cheapest thing we

1658
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:25,040
can do is talk about it. When we
actually start doing it it's expensive

1659
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:29,119
and those costs are rising. So again I
touched on we have inflation uh tariffs

1660
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:33,360
have hit us on some of some of the
products we use. Obviously just the

1661
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:38,239
normal costs are increasing separate
from inflation of just more stuff's

1662
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:41,280
breaking as it gets older. Uh that's our
team is definitely engaged and they have

1663
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:45,119
some really good ideas and some of those
ideas do come with a cost.

1664
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:51,119
So, as we look at that team as a whole,
we have 76 full-time staff authorized.

1665
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:54,960
We currently have 74 slots filled. I
want to do note we have three trainee

1666
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:59,760
positions that are year round. Those are
full. And then also of interest, we

1667
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:02,079
actually at our peak have 65 seasonal
staff that work for us at the peak of

1668
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:07,280
the summer,
>> which is basically an 82% increase in

1669
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:11,599
the staffing during that peak time in
the in the middle of summer. And so, um,

1670
02:10:10,079 --> 02:10:15,760
just again, kind of out of sight, out of
mind, but we have a lot of people out

1671
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:18,800
there every day serving the community.
>> Yeah, I see them.

1672
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:22,320
» Yeah,
that's good. Uh, here's just a summary

1673
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:28,400
of all the capital plans and studies
that have been completed uh over the

1674
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:33,360
last two two and a half years.
So, now we're going to jump into the

1675
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:36,880
budget numbers. Um, budget guru Jeff
will definitely answer any detailed

1676
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:41,599
questions you have. I don't know how
much you may go through this line by

1677
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:45,280
line or field any questions. I can kind
of just go through it quick and if you

1678
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:47,840
have more questions, let me know. So,
increase to contracted landscaping. We

1679
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:51,199
have a number of areas that are
maintained in the city. Those costs are

1680
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:55,199
going up. So, this is informed by
literally quotes we've gotten from our

1681
02:10:52,960 --> 02:11:00,560
vendors. Salt material costs are going
up because they have to get shipped in.

1682
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:04,480
Um, irrigation systems, rebuilds and
replacement, basically they have a shelf

1683
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:10,400
life. They're breaking.
uh the temporary and seasonal wages that

1684
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:13,520
increase is to match our pay structure.
So it's not a proposed increase in pay.

1685
02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:18,800
It's just making sure the alignment of
budget and the expenses.

1686
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:23,199
The contracted services actually just a
range of things in support of normal

1687
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:27,440
park operations. The additional three
traffic signal painting is following

1688
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:31,199
onto the traffic signal study. Um just
trying to get caught up on some of the

1689
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:34,800
uh signals that are looking a little
painful out there. And then the bottom

1690
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:40,320
one's a pavement management service.
Basically, this is a a pavement software

1691
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:45,599
that would help us dynamically plan and
budget for road construction. So, right

1692
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:49,599
now it's it's a time consuming process.
This would very much streamline the way

1693
02:11:47,679 --> 02:11:54,000
we gather data, process data, and run
different modeling scenarios. It also

1694
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:58,560
includes actually rating of the pavement
on a regular basis. So, it would there

1695
02:11:55,920 --> 02:12:03,760
would be an offset in costs.
Mark, you know, I see a lot of seasonal

1696
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:09,639
workers and you said there's 65.
>> That's correct.

1697
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:09,639
» And you only have 40,000

1698
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:16,880
budgeted for them.
>> Um, so, mayor, this question, this line

1699
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:19,679
is just to address the delta between the
cost that we have and making sure it's

1700
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,360
in alignment with what we've budgeted
for expense.

1701
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:24,560
» Okay. It's not your
>> it's not the full thing. It's just we've

1702
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:27,040
looked at the historical trends. We just
want to make sure that they okay

1703
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:32,239
reflecting actions
>> because I was thinking

1704
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:36,960
65
>> employees 40,000

1705
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:42,159
» didn't make the math work just the
increase mayor. Yeah, because I can look

1706
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:47,199
at uh at Mike and say, "How much do we
pay our seasonal workers?" And he'll

1707
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:50,320
say, "X." But
>> think I got

1708
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:54,480
» any questions on this one,
>> DK?

1709
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:58,400
» Um, [snorts] do we have a budget for
replacing street signs where the sun has

1710
02:12:56,719 --> 02:13:00,320
faded them out where they're hard to
read? No,

1711
02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:04,320
» that would just be covered under the
general street budget line item

1712
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:06,719
» for just the one-offs.
>> Gotcha.

1713
02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:11,599
» Mark, can you actually It's a great
story. we have a a member of the public

1714
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:15,760
works team who is uniquely signed
assigned to street signs. Uh maybe talk

1715
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:20,880
a little bit about that and and if there
are specific requests from the community

1716
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:23,119
u certainly we're all ears to take those
and address those issues if we miss

1717
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:27,119
something.
>> Sometimes I you just drive around you

1718
02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:31,520
see there's like I remember there's one
that's it's almost unreadable now it's

1719
02:13:29,599 --> 02:13:36,239
bleached out so bad and I just thought I
wonder how long that sign's been facing

1720
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:39,040
south like maybe 30 years or 40 years.
Yeah, councelor McKil. It very much

1721
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:42,239
depends on the direction, right? North
facing signs will last longer. Uh we do

1722
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:45,599
have a staff member who generally is
assigned to to sign maintenance work. So

1723
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:50,000
I would say just let us know where it
is. Uh caveat on that is we only

1724
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:53,440
responsible for signs in the city right
away. So if it's a stop sign facing

1725
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:57,040
public property, that would be that
property owner's responsibility to

1726
02:13:55,360 --> 02:14:00,079
maintain.
>> So

1727
02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:02,400
» the street not the street sign like
>> name

1728
02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:06,239
grocery store.
>> Yeah. Yeah, under state statute, if

1729
02:14:04,239 --> 02:14:10,480
you're entering a road from a driveway,
you have to yield the rightway. So, the

1730
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:13,040
stop sign's additional. So, it' be the
private business's responsibility.

1731
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,639
» Yeah, I think there's some of those
outside of Cup Foods.

1732
02:14:16,593 --> 02:14:22,079
[clears throat]
>> Any other questions on this slide? It's

1733
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:28,560
going to be hard to go back. So, okay.
Um, actually Jeff, you're the resident

1734
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:34,880
expert with this whole tab. So,
uh, water supply plan implementation.

1735
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:40,960
that's a onetime expense
uh to get that into the comprehensive

1736
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:47,320
plan um being included in the
comprehensive plan.

1737
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:47,320
And then we have a

1738
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:56,320
water treatment plant condition
assessment. We're going to change change

1739
02:14:53,440 --> 02:15:00,400
out our water meters. Um we're going to
go from mechanical water meters to

1740
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:09,599
digital water meters. Uh that has a
small uh cost increase for us. Um

1741
02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:14,880
quarry sampling on the to one one time
expense. Um it's used for water quality

1742
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:20,000
in the quarry. Um water treatment
chemicals are going up significantly.

1743
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:26,320
um
as we're looking to hopefully

1744
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:33,520
uh being able to feed another water
treatment chemical for radium reduction

1745
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:39,119
in the next year. Um
and then uh

1746
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:46,760
yeah just uh technology for the water
treatment plant. Um,

1747
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:46,760
there's still some

1748
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:54,719
manual processes in there where they go
and do rounds, take notes, and then go

1749
02:15:52,400 --> 02:16:01,040
back and enter the notes. Um, this would
be a technology solution to to uh get

1750
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:04,079
rid of that process. Another great
example of an idea coming from staff of

1751
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:07,840
hey instead of writing these number down
on post-it notes and giving it to this

1752
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:10,800
other person to go enter it in. Can we
just take a tablet enter the number the

1753
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:14,000
first time then it's in the system and
we don't need the multiple chances. I

1754
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:16,800
think went back to the meter change.
Another important thing too and Jeff

1755
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:19,840
when I say this wrong feel free to
correct me is right now it's a

1756
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:22,880
mechanical read that'll wear out that
wears out and so the new meters are a

1757
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:26,639
little bit different than that with how
they measure the flow. So we're hoping

1758
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:33,120
to get not only quieter but also a
longer life.

1759
02:16:29,679 --> 02:16:39,160
And Mark that's city meters
>> uh in every property. Yes. City owned

1760
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:39,160
meter in each property.

1761
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:46,399
» Uh for the Corey sampling on that is how
that information is used to inform how

1762
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:50,160
we treat the water coming from the
surface intake. So that's kind of the

1763
02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:53,240
link there to to the water people see in
the homes.

1764
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:59,120
Any question on the water stuff?
Otherwise we have the sewer. All right.

1765
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:02,960
So sewer. This is just more televising.
Right back to you.

1766
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:09,679
» Yep. Just uh this is just a really it's
actually a shift from we break up the

1767
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:16,800
city into nine sections. So we get
televising on

1768
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:23,359
all the city once every nine years. Um
um so that's just a shift to put that in

1769
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:27,599
place. Um and then Washborne Avenue
Railroad

1770
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:30,319
crossing. we're the railroad showed up
this year and said, "Hey, this railroad

1771
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:33,760
is not doing good. We need you to
replace the crossing. Here's your cost."

1772
02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:36,639
And I said, "Well, that's not quite how
that's going to work. We're going to

1773
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:40,800
need to budget it in the future." And
so, we were able to convince them to

1774
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:45,599
push it off a year. So, basically, the
city has to pay everything related to

1775
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:49,120
the road crossing of the railroad track.
How is it that they can come to us and

1776
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:53,359
say, "Hey, this is what it costs." When
we try to get them to make changes

1777
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:58,694
» because they have a sign in their office
that says, "First there was God and then

1778
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:58,694
there was the railroad." [laughter]

1779
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:01,840
» I've heard that's true. I don't know if
it actually is, but

1780
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:05,280
» I think that is true.
>> That's the way to think about it. So,

1781
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:12,800
» I tell [clears throat] you, we have
tried for years and they just ignore us

1782
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:17,439
and they don't care.
But then they want they they say the

1783
02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:23,800
their railroad crossing isn't
>> working and it needs repair and they're

1784
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:23,800
saying we're going to pay $325,000.

1785
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:29,359
» Their argument is we're the ones that
need the road, not them.

1786
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:35,920
» Yeah. They passed the law in the 1800s
and it's been that way ever since.

1787
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:37,359
» I know. I get frustrated with it, but
>> you are.

1788
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:40,399
» It is what it is.
>> Among friends, mayor. Um, any other

1789
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:43,760
questions on this slide?
>> No.

1790
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:47,840
» Okay. Uh from a revenue standpoint, I'm
going to lead off with some really good

1791
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:52,080
news. Uh while we were sitting here
crunching numbers, we realized we missed

1792
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:54,719
some revenue in the engineering line. So
that number will not be negative

1793
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:57,439
anymore.
>> Yay.

1794
02:18:55,439 --> 02:19:02,160
» It'll [laughter] be positive. Adam's
already made that change.

1795
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:05,200
» Oh, yay. Adam sitting there doing that
work.

1796
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:09,679
» Other than that, you can see I mean it's
pretty consistent with where things are

1797
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:13,599
at
um through there. the infrastructure

1798
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:19,439
total that's a direct connection on what
we do for um state state aid eligible

1799
02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:23,519
projects links back to what the revenue
is we get from the state. So if we do

1800
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:28,430
fewer state aid projects then there's a
less draw from our state aid account. So

1801
02:19:26,411 --> 02:19:28,430
[snorts]

1802
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:34,160
» okay
>> operating expenses uh I'm just going to

1803
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:40,319
draw your attention to the bottom which
is a 2% increase. Um,

1804
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:44,880
like I said, we focus on maintaining
what we have and really trying not to to

1805
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:47,439
change services. So, that's really what
you see reflected here in the overall

1806
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:52,319
account.
>> There's that street maintenance account.

1807
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:56,160
» Uh, that's actually back here
>> different from ITF.

1808
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:59,160
» Correct. So, that's this one with a 4%
increase.

1809
02:20:01,127 --> 02:20:08,280
[clears throat]
>> Oh, nope. That was revenues.

1810
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:08,280
All right.

1811
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:11,840
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1812
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,720
» Yeah.
>> Nice work, Mark.

1813
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:21,520
» And um
>> is the sewer talibizing channel on

1814
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:24,720
Comcast or is that something that we can
>> Is that like the Eagle

1815
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:29,920
» Cam license for the the dirty
>> sanitary sewer cam?

1816
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:35,920
» No, but actually in all seriousness,
>> I don't know. Speaking of um [laughter]

1817
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:39,359
speaking of um
>> heard of sanator televising, but

1818
02:20:38,462 --> 02:20:43,439
[laughter]
who are we televising it to?

1819
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:47,200
» We have partnered with this program
called sewer AI where we upload all of

1820
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:51,520
our data in all of our video into the
system and that helps do the condition

1821
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:55,280
rating of it. It also allows our access
later. So if we have a question about a

1822
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:59,600
location on a pipe, we can go into the
program, go back and actually pull the

1823
02:20:56,960 --> 02:21:03,840
video of that location. Um whether it be
a question about a connection or an

1824
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:07,600
issue. If there's a sewer backup, for
example, we can go back and look at the

1825
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:12,640
history of that section of the
>> It's a recording, right? Finish that.

1826
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:15,359
» Yep.
>> Okay.

1827
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:18,960
» You need to finish on a humorous note,
don't you?

1828
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:27,200
» Okay.
>> And um Jeff is not here for

1829
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:31,600
» for community development. And so is
there anything else? Um, city manager

1830
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:34,640
member,
>> I don't believe so, madame mayor. We

1831
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:38,000
will uh have the community development
department present in September with the

1832
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:43,280
rest of the departments.
>> Okay. If there's nothing else to come

1833
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:47,479
before the body this evening, we stand
adjourned. Yay. Fortnite.