[0:03] Good evening everyone. It is now 6:30
and I will call this budget work session
[0:09] of the Burnsville City Council to order.
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agenda packet. This is a budget work
[0:44] session and we go directly to our
agenda. And the first item on the agenda
[0:49] is the capital improvement plan review.
And Jenny Rodia, our deputy city manager
[0:55] and CFO, is presenting. Jenny, the floor
is yours. Thank you. Um, good evening,
[1:00] Madame Mayor and Council members.
Tonight,
[1:05] we will uh be reviewing the capital
improvement plan during this budget work
[1:09] session. Um, this is the proposed plan
for 2027 through 2031.
[1:15] We'll start out with capital studies. In
2023, as we were preparing for the 2024
[1:21] budget, we realized there was additional
information that really we needed to
[1:25] help um make short-term and long-term
capital decisions. So, we identified six
[1:29] studies at that time um to really help
in data-driven decision- making um and
[1:36] then we over the course of the last two
years, we've we've um identified seven
[1:41] more. So for a total of 13, we've been
working through those studies over the
[1:46] past couple of years and we anticipate
completion of all of the studies in time
[1:51] for the 2028 budget. So certainly we
have a majority of them completed at
[1:55] this time, but there will be a couple
more um coming at the year end. So um
[2:00] all of those will be completed by the
time we're um preparing for 2028's
[2:04] budget.
They also include ongoing updates. So,
[2:09] as we're as we are um carrying these
forward, we're updating those and
[2:14] managing that data in a way that we can
keep them updated and keep utilizing
[2:18] them for future capital plans.
The first group of the first group of
[2:23] six studies are on this slide. Um those
were um finalized and discussed um from
[2:30] 2024 through 2025 with the fleet study
being the the last one completed last
[2:36] December.
The other seven that were identified um
[2:40] we're still working through with um two
that you saw earlier this evening. The
[2:45] city-owned property study and the
sidewalk trail study and then the parks
[2:49] camera and lighting study is planned for
October and the street light study is
[2:53] planned for December.
[2:57] Our 2027 plan uh the financial
management plan identified a 7.69
[3:03] year-over-year tax increase. that does
um match the last and final year of the
[3:09] non-binding resolution from the 2023
budget. Um we are currently balancing
[3:15] the budget to that target.
Certainly over that five years and and
[3:19] continue we we still have unpredictable
condition conditions right now that are
[3:23] that are challenging that budget but we
feel what we're presenting tonight is
[3:27] really responsible to support operations
and future planning in including the for
[3:32] the capital funds
[3:37] in 2027 we are continuing to see
inflationary pressures although in some
[3:42] areas they've flattened out we are
definitely still seeing those especially
[3:47] um tonight in some of our capital funds
as well as operations
[3:52] um increasing demand for services
and uncertainty around federal and state
[3:56] grant grants and funding um
[clears throat]
[3:59] that continues.
Uh there there is also a proposed um OM
[4:04] uniform guidance revision that really
does govern federal grants and
[4:08] administration and that is expected to
be implemented later on this year and
[4:13] that's expected to have some significant
changes for local governments in the way
[4:17] um federal grants are administered and
used.
[4:21] » J what kind of services are we starting
to see increased demand for? Um I think
[4:26] across our really across our public
safety but as well as even you know in
[4:31] our other areas, parks, public works,
right? There just really is um an
[4:36] increased an increased overall demand
and that is definitely putting pressure
[4:41] in the capital on us on the capital
areas as well as operations.
[4:44] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. I also see in the um [snorts] city
[4:50] manager's um
weekly report that we're getting zero in
[4:57] LGA,
>> correct?
[4:59] » In 27.
>> Yep.
[5:01] » So, we're going to have to backfill on I
think it vehicles vehicles were part of
[5:07] that.
>> Yep. And we'll talk about that a little
[5:09] bit um as we talk about that fund. So
we'll touch on that your realities and
[5:14] » um and this really we feel like this
plan prioritizes and continues to
[5:18] prioritize um what we need for a
sustainable future going forward last
[5:24] year.
>> The overall capital plan for all capital
[5:28] purchases um this is a bar showing kind
of the the planned investments in each
[5:34] year. Um total across all five years is
about $217 million. that is about a 12%
[5:41] or 20 $23 million increase over last
year. Um two of the funds um that have
[5:49] the majority of increases are the water
and sewer fund with about 9.5 million
[5:53] and the ITF fund with about 9.5 million
increased projects. And I'll talk a
[5:58] little bit more in depth about those
plans um when we get to those funds. But
[6:02] um overall an increase um this doesn't
include any police city hall budget.
[6:08] that budget was in 2025, but it does
include an estimate in 2028 for um fire
[6:14] station 2.
[6:18] Um just as a matter of reminder, the
levy um [clears throat] we have seven
[6:22] levy funded capital funds um their
forestry infrastructure trust fund um
[6:29] improvement construction, street
maintenance, parks renovation, equipment
[6:32] and vehicle and information technology.
So those those capital funds are
[6:37] primarily funded and supported by the
property tax levy.
[6:41] » Mayor, just one question. The difference
between can you delineate the difference
[6:46] between the infrastructure trust and
street maintenance fund?
[6:50] » Yeah. Yeah. So, the infrastructure trust
fund is really used for um major street
[6:55] improvement projects where we're doing
reconstruction, rehabilitation,
[7:00] um those kinds of, you know, we're
replacing the road in essence,
[7:04] » significant overhauls.
>> Yeah. The street maintenance is more for
[7:07] um right-of-way maintenance and that
kind of routine year-over-year type of
[7:11] projects.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. infrastructure goes for
[7:15] reconstruction, rehabilitation and
[7:20] reclamation.
>> Yeah.
[7:21] » Like replacing assets where the
maintenance is just
[7:25] » kind of annual upkeep.
>> Yeah.
[7:27] » Yep.
>> Street sweep sweep.
[7:31] » Um then these funds are special revenue
and enterprise funds. So these funds
[7:35] also have um significant capital
purchases with within them and they are
[7:42] funded really through other types of
fees um whether that be charges for
[7:46] services, franchise fees or um utility
fees.
[7:54] Um the first fund we'll talk about in
depth is the parks renovation fund.
[7:59] this fund um is informed and [snorts]
the investment um in the CIP is informed
[8:04] by the parks plan that was actually our
first capital plan completed in 2024.
[8:10] Um we're really prioritizing the
replacement of condition one and two
[8:15] items that were identified in that plan.
Um with safety being a priority as well
[8:20] as when there are are nonrelevant
amenities that are end of life, we'll
[8:24] remove those. Um there's been additional
studies and there will continue to be a
[8:29] couple of additional studies that will
continue to inform future projects in
[8:32] parks.
In terms of our progress on condition
[8:37] one and two assets, we do maintain a
parks asset management dashboard. That's
[8:41] a live database that reflects the status
of park assets. Um condition
[8:46] description, um CIP, year planned, those
kinds of things. It's a live database
[8:52] though that reflects the status of park
assets at a point in time. So as um it
[8:58] includes both operational and capital
items. So while it includes those that
[9:02] are in this capital plan, it also
includes assets that would be replaced
[9:05] as part of operational maintenance um
activities.
[9:09] The original plan in 2024 identified 293
condition one and two assets
[9:16] and about $7 million.
[9:21] And [snorts] as um as assets continue to
deteriorate or are improved, those
[9:27] condition scores are updated. So it is
kind of a constantly changing database.
[9:32] Project years are updated after the CIP
is approved. So once we have a CIP, if
[9:37] we've um added any projects or switched
or maybe we've shifted years, we make
[9:41] sure to update that once once the CIP is
approved.
[9:48] The major projects in the parks
renovation fund for 2027 are listed
[9:53] here. Um, Alamagnet East parking lot
replacement is a condition one asset
[9:57] that is the largest um individual
project that actually was um I believed
[10:03] moved forward or shifted forward a year
because of its condition. So that is um
[10:09] is a majority or a big percentage of of
the increases in or the projects I
[10:14] should say in 2027. Um, we have a few
projects at Echo Park, a playground
[10:18] replacement, a tennis court replacement,
a parking lot and trail. Those are both
[10:22] one and two condition assets. So that I
forgot to say the number behind just
[10:26] indicates their condition score. So one
and two assets are either poor or below
[10:31] average condition assets.
>> Jenny Garrett Laban picnic shelters. Are
[10:37] these the ones in the park or the ones
up around the athletic
[10:46] Um,
Madame Mayor, these would be the uh ones
[10:50] that are more for uh the picnicking to
the north, not by the athletic fields.
[10:56] » Yeah. So, they're down in in the park,
not up at the athletic campus.
[11:01] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[11:03] » Do we have do we have the uh money in
the fund for this now? Is it in the
[11:08] parks fund now? So, that this is money
that we have set.
[11:11] » Correct. This is in the capital
improvement plan. That's what you want
[11:14] to make sure.
>> Yep.
[11:18] » Madam Mayor,
>> the Alamagnet East parking lot. Uh I
[11:23] think I know what it So the the west
would be the first smaller one as you
[11:27] come into the park. The east one is is
Are we talking about the entire length
[11:32] of where parking starts all the way to
the north?
[11:36] » Is that that entire area is considered
the east
[11:38] » by the dog park?
>> Yeah.
[11:40] » That that parking strip by the dog park.
[clears throat] Yeah. Starting at the
[11:44] dog park going all the way to the north.
>> Gotcha.
[11:47] » Yeah, that's subual.
>> Yeah,
[11:50] » that's a monster parking lot.
>> That's why it's 1.2 million. [snorts]
[11:54] » It's in rough shape.
>> Thank you.
[11:58] » Um, so as we put the financial plan, the
five-year plan together for the budget,
[12:02] some key assumptions. Um, there was a 3%
increase in the property tax levy in
[12:08] 2027. [clears throat] um for future
years as we as we um developed developed
[12:14] the finance plan, we included 6% a 6%
levy rising to 10% by 2031. That isn't
[12:22] overall. Keep in mind that's not
overall. That's just within this fund.
[12:26] Um if we looked at five-year average
annual expenditures, uh they're about
[12:32] $3.3 million, but our five-year average
annual revenues were about 3.1. And that
[12:37] does include um this increase investment
in the property tax levy. The average
[12:43] levy is about $1.3 million a year. So we
have about $2 million a $2 million
[12:50] um difference.
A majority of that currently is covered
[12:54] by landfill host community fees um that
are expected to be about $1.7 million in
[13:00] 2027.
Um as we look at that fee while that's
[13:04] is covering a majority that is covering
a big portion of those parks investments
[13:08] we do know that host community agreement
um is la is um estimated
[13:16] um will continue sorry we'll continue
through landfill capacity and that was
[13:21] originally estimated in a to be
approximately 10 years. So, as we think
[13:25] about this fund going forward, we wanted
to start making some small increases in
[13:31] the property tax levy so that when host
fees do decline, we'll have revenue to
[13:36] um make up that difference
>> and that'll get to all of the one and
[13:41] twos that we need to get done.
>> We will be prioritizing those certainly
[13:46] more. We have a large number of category
3 assets kind of those average assets
[13:52] » because that's coming up. So we know
that that will continue
[13:55] » thinking about the one and twos.
>> Correct.
[13:58] » Okay.
>> So we know that will come be one and
[14:01] twos but we will continue that
investment. So we wanted to make sure we
[14:04] were starting to think about you know
the future levy once host fees do
[14:09] decline and that we're going to be in a
place where where we don't have a big
[14:14] shortfall. [clears throat]
[14:18] Parks visioning. Um we have done um we
have done parks visioning in phase one
[14:25] for 26 community and neighborhood parks.
Um that really is a guide for existing
[14:30] maintenance and any future improvements.
Certainly as parks are identified for
[14:35] improvement. It we would we would look
to that as a guide and it includes base
[14:39] design concept as well as any visionary
concepts like what what new things could
[14:44] we add? Um next steps in terms of the
parks renovation fund as you mentioned
[14:50] madame mayor prioritize condition one
and two assets and continue to do that
[14:54] in the future. Um we reviewed the
sidewalks and trail study tonight and if
[15:00] there is a if um and once we have a
trail plan that will help inform the
[15:07] future um as well as a parks vision
building study and a vision study for
[15:13] remaining parks. So we are still
planning to do a phase 2 vision study
[15:17] for the remaining parks in the system.
[15:22] Um [clears throat] this is just a graph
of the the finance finance picture here
[15:27] of the parks renovation fund. As you can
see we do have some significant
[15:32] expenditures in the near term. As um
council member Gustoson me mentioned
[15:37] that park that parking lot in 2027 is
quite large but we do have the funds on
[15:41] hand to manage that. um that blue line
kind of that blue line running across is
[15:47] our target fund balance and the black
line that you see kind of go down to the
[15:52] blue line and back up again is what we
expect our ending fund balance to be. So
[15:56] with this plan we do anticipate that we
do remain
[16:00] within our fund balance targets.
>> I got a lot of questions tonight. Yeah,
[16:05] » this is actually for Garrett. I think um
we've we talked about uh um inclusive
[16:13] type parks that like we have at Red Red
Oak. Is this in these plans now for
[16:18] going forward that because I know we
talked about zoning our putting in
[16:21] different zones of the city. Is that
part of this plan?
[16:27] Um, I would say from the the parks
renovation fund in general that the the
[16:33] type of cost associated with the
playground that you're talking about
[16:36] would not come out of a park renovation
fund. That that's more of a replacement
[16:40] asis kind of situation. Um, we will need
to be once we get through all these
[16:46] studies and start to look at the future
of our park system, we'll want to be
[16:50] looking into how do we start to
accomplish some of those things like you
[16:55] just talked about. And um, as I've
shared before, you can pretty much
[16:59] double the cost of a playground when you
want to put in a port in place surface
[17:03] that makes it inclusive. Um, in
addition, if you really want to double
[17:07] down on an inclusive type playground,
those that equipment tends to be more
[17:10] expensive as well. So, um, there's
there's a lot of factors that will go
[17:14] into
>> add on then right now.
[17:15] » So, those Yes, that would be that would
be more in the improvements area than it
[17:19] would be in the parks renovation area.
>> Thank you.
[17:22] » Yep.
>> Yeah. Currently in the parks renovation
[17:25] fund, it is really just replacing those
one and two assets,
[17:30] » at least at this time.
The parks investment fund, um, this is,
[17:36] uh, basically funded with parks
dedication fees. We do have a couple of
[17:41] small projects in this fund. Um these
are for any new fiber and security if
[17:47] those projects do come up in the current
um in the next year as well as any other
[17:53] improvements that might come up that are
new. Um those but those total a 100,000
[17:58] combined or a little less than $100,000
combined.
[18:02] » How much do we have in the parks
investment fund? Oh, I see. It's you I
[18:07] just asked ahead of you. We'll get
there. Who's there?
[18:10] » Yeah. Um, currently right now, as we we
just mentioned, we're taking care of
[18:14] what we have first. Um, we do have
budget carried forward for a pickle ball
[18:18] project that was um $1.1
million and was budgeted in 2025. We
[18:24] have carried that forward as we've gone
through that that process and again um
[18:29] we'll be revisioning the remaining parks
that we have. But the fund balance
[18:34] available for future projects is I think
this is the same about the same as what
[18:38] we said last year about $5.9 million um
in that fund.
[18:42] » We got to be real thoughtful about that.
That all we have in the parks investment
[18:47] fund is 5.9 million.
>> Yep.
[18:50] » Yeah. There isn't a Oh, go ahead.
>> Go ahead. Finish your
[18:54] » um Dan G.
>> I can wait.
[18:57] » Okay.
>> Okay. I'm G.
[19:00] » Yeah. I'm sorry.
>> I'm first. [laughter]
[19:01] » Yeah.
W can
[19:04] » I'm looking at you and saying G
>> uh
[19:10] » you said it's almost exactly the same
amount as a year ago
[19:14] » very similar
>> is there do we get investment results or
[19:18] do we apply our investment results by
the fund where the
[19:22] » the source uh principle is is is sitting
right so a year ago this 5.9 might have
[19:28] been 5.5 or six or seven
>> it's possible there were some
[19:32] expenditures. I do think we had um a
trail project that got completed. So
[19:36] there were some expenditures from the
fund but generally speaking yes they
[19:40] have invest basically this fund has
parks dedication fees and then
[19:43] investment revenues right
>> um annually based on the fund balance.
[19:47] » One of those I suppose maybe the largest
[clears throat] of recent time would
[19:51] have been waste management's
contribution as a result of the landfill
[19:55] agreement that they I was it 2.9
million? Yeah, I think so about half is
[20:01] that about right? Is that half that fund
is from that?
[20:03] » Yeah, I think yeah, I think it was about
$2 million if
[20:06] » it was 1.9 something otherwise
is
[20:11] » and it just gets into the investment
fund because it covers all the parks
[20:15] » investments. Yeah.
>> Um here is the where you see that top
[20:21] bar at the top. Um so you'll see that
investment is slowly growing. Um we
[20:26] don't assume we only assume about
$100,000 annually for parks dedication.
[20:31] We know that in some years we won't get
any. Um we did get some this year. I
[20:36] think we got about 600,000.
And so we don't want to um overestimate
[20:41] that because it's not really a
sustainable source of revenue going into
[20:46] the future. Um and then that large bar,
the gray bar is um that anticipated
[20:52] alagnet or not l magnet, excuse me,
anticipated pickle ball project.
[20:58] » Okay. [clears throat] Those funds were
there at
[21:01] » Yeah, they were there identified.
>> They've been there for a long time
[21:05] » for a pickle ball project and we've
carried those forward as we've gone
[21:08] through that process.
[snorts]
[21:13] » Um the next fund is the equipment and
vehicle fund. So, as we look at 2027's
[21:18] major project, it really is the
replacement of um plow trucks,
[21:22] ambulances, squads, um a front-end
loader replacement. So, that is about
[21:27] half of half of the capital budget for
um 2027 in this fund.
[21:34] When when we have those um vehicle
funds,000
[21:40] » and uh you're calculating, are you also
putting in in that line item the
[21:46] upfitting of all those vehicles? Because
oh my god, the upfitting is more
[21:52] expensive than the vehicle.
>> That is correct, mayor. [clears throat]
[21:56] When we budget for the each of the
vehicles is it's the total cost in. So,
[22:00] not only is it actually the chassis and
the upfit, but also if there's a tax,
[22:03] title, and license as well.
>> Okay.
[22:09] » Certainly in this fund, again, the
demand for services does impact our
[22:14] vehicles as well as we're seeing just
shorter replacement schedules with the
[22:17] amount of use that certain vehicles get.
Um, continued inflationary pressures
[22:24] that has leveled off somewhat in this
fund. And I think we've that we've done
[22:28] a good job of planning for all those
costs in the last couple of years and
[22:32] getting that getting those budgets a
little bit right more right
[22:35] [clears throat] sized. Um also continued
long lead times. So if you look and
[22:41] you'll see this when we look at the
financial picture 2026 includes carry
[22:45] forwards of $5 million in prior
projects. So that really means prior
[22:49] budgeted um items, pieces of equipment,
vehicles that in the most in most cases
[22:56] have been ordered. We just haven't
received them yet. So we're
[22:59] [clears throat] we're holding a bit of
cash right now. And once we once we get
[23:03] all those vehicles, that cash is spoken
for, right, in previous budgets. But um
[23:08] that just kind of goes to
[clears throat] speak to to those long
[23:10] lead times
>> because we have two fire trucks on
[23:13] order.
>> Yes. But we don't have to pay for them
[23:18] until they're delivered.
>> Correct.
[23:20] » So everything is on.
>> Yep. So we will you'll see a larger cash
[23:23] balance.
>> And that's [snorts] and that's including
[23:28] the upfitting of all of the the fire
trucks also.
[23:32] » Yep. The full cost. Yep.
Again, the capital improvement plans in
[23:38] this fund are are informed by the fleet
study as well.
[23:44] key assumptions. Um there's a 3%
property tax levy in 2027.
[23:51] Uh this will be a this will be similar
to the parks fund. We've in included a
[23:55] 6% levy
>> [snorts]
[23:57] » um year-over-year. And this is just in
this fund, not overall in the in the not
[24:02] the overall city levy really rising to
10% by 2031. Uh we did see no local
[24:08] government aid for 2027. So we're just
we're assuming that is zero going
[24:12] forward. It has gone down from 426,000
in 2024 to 221,000 this year. So really
[24:20] over the past
>> zero is zero.
[24:22] » Yeah. So that does reduce kind of the
the revenues that we can anticipate in
[24:27] that fund. Really if you're looking at a
comparison from 2025, it's about $2
[24:30] million.
[snorts]
[24:34] » Creates pressure on this particular
fund.
[24:36] » Yep. Um the five-year average of um
annual expenditures is about $4.6
[24:42] million. And the 5-year annual average
revenues is about 4.3. Again, we are
[24:47] slightly below um the expenditures. So,
we are drawing a little bit down on fund
[24:52] balance. And the average levy is about
$1.8 million. And that is with that
[24:57] increase to 10% over the five years.
Currently, landfill host community fees
[25:03] are and equipment certificates are
filling the gap in this fund. So, um,
[25:07] similar to the parks fund, that is a
significant revenue for us right now at
[25:12] $1.77 million annually, but we also know
that that is will sunset once the
[25:19] landfill is at capacity. So, we wanted
to start planning for that and be in a
[25:24] place where um, you know, we're
increasing those property tax revenues
[25:29] um, slowly over time so that that's not
so that's not such a big um, jump we
[25:34] have to make. Um, we were able to reduce
equipment certificates um, last year. I
[25:40] think we had about a little over $7
million planned. We were able to reduce
[25:44] those to about five. And we will
continue to look for ways to reduce that
[25:48] debt because um, it just saves saves
cost, saves interest, and then we could,
[25:54] you know, we'd rather use that to buy
equipment than pay interest on equipment
[25:58] certificates. So, we'll continue to look
at that as we as we go forward in future
[26:02] plans, but right now we have debt
financing planned for 2026 and 2029.
[26:08] 2026 will depend on when we receive
those vehicles. So, um it's it may not
[26:14] happen before the end of the year, but
we would we don't want to issue before
[26:18] we receive the vehicles. Um debt will
require debt levies in 2028 and beyond.
[26:24] One thing that helped is when we did
reduce equipment certificates, we did
[26:28] have debt levy that wasn't needed in the
debt fund and we were able to apply it
[26:32] here. And so we'd like to continue doing
that and we'll continue to look for ways
[26:36] to do that going forward.
>> Jenny, can you talk, excuse
[26:40] [clears throat] me, can you talk just a
little bit about future strategy on
[26:44] equipment related debt and both how
we've used it in the past and how we see
[26:49] appropriate use in the future
[clears throat] for the fund? Yeah. Um
[26:54] we've used it most recently to purchase
a firet truck in 2022
[27:01] » and um we have filled you know we have
we have looked at um
[27:08] financing some larger equipment like
firet trucks or maybe larger maybe
[27:13] ambulances and things like that. Some
larger vehicles with a useful life
[27:17] that's longer. Certainly, we'd rather
not issue if you issue debt, you really
[27:21] want to issue debt kind of the length at
least have a useful life that's longer
[27:26] than the length of your debt. So, we
definitely look at that um when we're
[27:30] looking at opportunities to finance some
of these vehicles. And then just trying
[27:35] to trying to reduce that burden. And so,
we kind of continue to to um make those
[27:41] adjustments year-over-year. And
hopefully we'll get to a place where we
[27:45] can this plan can can adjust those
equipment certificates out of this.
[27:52] » Okay, Dan,
>> uh since you brought up fire trucks, I
[27:56] want a question for uh Chief Jungman who
I want to compliment that the hair
[28:00] growth serum must apparently work.
[laughter] Um are we anticipating the
[28:05] purchase of another fire truck of some
sort large apparatus truck in the next
[28:11] five years? Ambulance would be the next
>> one that's up. Uh fire engines and
[28:16] ladders have typically have their
service life. I believe
[28:20] » I don't know off can't remember off the
top of my head what the I think it's
[28:22] about 10 years service life for for
engine it's more for a ladder truck but
[28:27] ambulances will be the lower of of the
group.
[28:30] » When's the next because the fire trucks
are well over a million now. When when
[28:35] do you anticipate the next ladder andor
full-size apparatus truck to be needing
[28:41] to be required? Is it I suppose it might
be in our capital long-term capital?
[28:45] » Yeah, it we have one program did for
2026 and it's on order. We just haven't
[28:50] » we're waiting for that one
>> and then a 2029. So about every 3 years
[28:54] we purchase a larger um fire truck.
>> How many total large apparatus trucks do
[28:59] we have? Non-ambbulance.
[29:04] That one I'm not going to know. I'm
gonna have to
[29:05] » Yeah, I believe I'd have to look at the
fleet map, but I believe we have three
[29:09] engines right now. And I think we have
two ladder trucks, but I have to I have
[29:13] to double check the fleet map.
>> Five
[29:15] of the big big rigs.
>> Thank you.
[29:18] » And we have six ambulances.
>> And I think we're due for replacement of
[29:24] one.
>> Yeah,
[29:26] » we have an ambulance planned in every
year of the capital plan basically. So,
[29:31] an ambulance a year and then about every
three years for the fire trucks.
[29:36] » Just one followup. Is there a need for
more ambulance as we scale up the staff?
[29:42] [cough]
>> Will will we actually increase the fleet
[29:45] of of you know the circulating fleet by
a unit or are we just in replacement
[29:51] mode for the near term? Um, I would have
to bounce that off of Chief Jungle, but
[29:56] the data driven like how how many calls
are running on is definitely going to
[30:00] dictate the amount of ambulance
demand, right? And as that's trending
[30:05] upwards,
so will the equipment that we need. So,
[30:09] » thank you,
>> Madam Mayor, members of the council.
[30:11] We'll get you the specific answers on
fire fleet, not to put Nate on the spot.
[30:15] Um, [snorts] uh, but also generally
speaking, is as we've talked about the
[30:19] fire standard of cover and you look at
our capital planning, we have planned
[30:23] for additional, uh, specific to the
question, we have planned for additional
[30:27] ambulances as the operation scales and
is of a scope to address the demand for
[30:33] calls for service. And that I would
assume that's all in because we're good
[30:37] about comprehensive planning, right?
>> It's incorporated into the design for
[30:42] fair station 2, for example, if that was
going to take on another apparatus,
[30:46] another bay is needed or whatever.
>> And it's all on her capital improvement
[30:50] plan for equipment and vehicles.
[30:54] » Madame Mayor, members of the council,
that that is a one of the the hallmark
[30:58] and important design features of Fire
Station 2. As a matter of fact, one of
[31:02] the reasons that the current site
[snorts] just doesn't fit the the
[31:05] programmed needs as they've been defined
uh both by the fire standard of cover
[31:10] and the other study that we do to inform
what those needs might be is we we know
[31:15] that uh we essentially need the same
type of apparatus bay configuration as
[31:21] fire station one in fire station 2,
which is what's currently contemplated
[31:25] in the site fit, which then requires us
to look for a different site, which is
[31:29] where the cross town east um parkland um
recommendation came from.
[31:34] » Thank you.
[snorts]
[31:38] » Here's the um financial uh picture or
financial plan for um the equipment and
[31:43] vehicle fund. As you can see, um
certainly some larger expenditures
[31:50] in 2026. That really is the budget plus
the carry forward. So, we're at about $9
[31:56] million and um we're assuming we're
spending all those carry forwards once
[32:00] those vehicles come in. Um they
[clears throat] have most of them have
[32:03] been ordered. And then
um the two larger blue bars are the
[32:09] areas where we have identified um
potential [clears throat]
[32:12] equipment certificates being issued. But
during um during the five years of this
[32:18] plan, we are keeping our fund balance
above our target and really maintaining
[32:22] that fund balance going forward. And
again, as we go forward,
[32:27] um this plan does include a small uh
slowly increasing property tax levy to
[32:33] prepare for um a time when the hoof fees
are are no longer available to us.
[32:40] » Madame Mayor,
>> yes,
[32:41] » clarification of your your terminology.
>> When a
[32:46] a certificate is issued for a new piece
of equipment,
[32:49] » we're buying another one and we're going
to issue debt to purchase it. Is that
[32:52] what the certificate
>> refers to?
[32:54] » Yes, it's it's a bond um kind of
quotation marks because it's equipment.
[32:59] They call them equipment certificates,
but it basically is a shorter term um
[33:04] debt investment.
>> Thank you.
[33:09] » Um the IT capital fund is next. Um major
projects include a $2.8 $8 million ERP
[33:15] system that was um has been carried
forward or has been rebudgeted from 2026
[33:21] to 2027 uh with the focus on
implementing a budget system in 2026. We
[33:27] did shift the ERP system to 2027 that
really includes finance HR as well as a
[33:34] utility um solution.
And then we have some network equipment
[33:41] replacements as well as staff endpoint
device replacements and some camera
[33:45] replacements at the maintenance
facility.
[33:49] » I got to talk about the 2.8 because it's
a big number. Uh how old is the system
[33:53] that we're currently using? Um have we
long since depreciated that cost? And
[33:59] are we using an antiquated system and
then or overdue for a major update?
[34:06] That's a big ticket. So, I think we need
to explain to our viewing audience
[34:10] » what it all really entails and why we're
spending 2.8 million on it.
[34:14] » Certainly, Council Member Keley, we are
um on a system that we implemented in
[34:19] 2006. So, we've been on the system about
20 years.
[34:23] » Um the replacing telephones
>> came in when I could go wrong at 20
[34:27] [laughter] years, right?
>> Just just a year after I came here, too.
[34:31] Um, and it the uh software provider has
notified us that they are no longer
[34:38] making improvements to the software. And
while it currently works for us,
[34:42] certainly new software um will provide
features that we don't currently have as
[34:47] well as just being a little more user
friendly for we we certainly expect um a
[34:53] lot of a lot of people are in our system
every day. um departments are entering
[34:57] invoices and purchase orders and things
like that and so a new software will
[35:02] certainly probably be a more modern and
updated platform as well. So it just you
[35:07] know it's time and we definitely want to
um want to make that change before this
[35:13] this platform doesn't work for us
anymore.
[35:16] » Yeah.
>> Sounds like Windows we're no longer
[35:19] supporting Windows 10. You got to get on
11.
[35:22] » Yeah. Yeah, Madam Mayor, members of the
council, this is a project that has
[35:26] moved several years out. So, we've
talked about this for a few years, as
[35:29] you recall. Um, it is um reflective of
one of the single most important
[35:36] projects that we will undertake uh over
the course of this planning window. Uh,
[35:40] a very good example of a first step is
this year we implemented the finance
[35:46] team implemented a new budget system.
Uh, Adam is our budget manager has been
[35:50] helping uh the team through that. So
everything you see tonight is completely
[35:54] informed by different technology. Um
this project will expand that and help
[36:00] create the foundation by which once we
really have the basics down right will
[36:06] give us the opportunity to to look at
new opportunities to connect with the
[36:10] community, increase transparency,
um improve connectedness across the
[36:15] community, uh look at how we we make and
shape priorities from a budgeting
[36:20] perspective. So it really gives us the
the foundation to move into the future
[36:24] at a at a faster more effective pace. So
important work and a to your point,
[36:30] council member Keely, a significant
investment in the current IT capital
[36:34] fund.
>> But but I I always just want to touch on
[36:38] your point about sort of getting up to
modern. I mean legacy systems are are
[36:44] great [snorts] because they become very
stable over time. It's also a very
[36:48] expensive process internally from a
training, you know, the conversion
[36:52] process to a system that large has a
price to pay with, [clears throat] you
[36:56] know, stress and time and training and a
lot of other things.
[36:59] » Um, is that all baked into that 2.8 or
is that the
[37:04] » we've
>> software hardware acquisition cost? Um
[37:08] we've pl we've planned for a consultant
to help us um with our selection process
[37:12] as well as we have plans for a
consultant that could help us with
[37:17] implementation as well. So certainly we
are thinking about those other costs and
[37:21] the and just the amount of work um even
as we plan for staffing resources,
[37:27] right? We're thinking about that as well
in terms of [clears throat] making sure
[37:30] we have enough staff. staff are going to
have to continue to do the work that
[37:34] they're already doing as well as
implement a new system. So, we we
[37:38] definitely
are um trying to plan that out and make
[37:42] sure we're providing enough resources as
we go through that.
[37:45] » Good. I'm sure the there's there's a lot
of new especially even now software is
[37:52] evolving at a very fast pace, but
there's a lot of new tools. So, I think
[37:56] it'll be a great project and a process
for the city staff to go through and and
[38:00] I I'm really glad that uh city manager
Lindberg hit on the benefits of this
[38:05] type of thing can go beyond this
building, right? Can how we connect and
[38:08] how we operate transparently to the
public accessibility to things. Um
[38:13] that's that'll take us light years ahead
of where we've been.
[38:17] » Yeah,
>> it's the right time to do it too when
[38:19] we're doing the expansion of both
>> Yes. city hall and police and all all of
[38:25] that. So,
>> a bigger, better, more transparent city
[38:28] of
>> Yeah. When you think about it in that
[38:30] totality.
>> Yeah.
[38:32] » Yeah.
>> It's this is a that's not only a big
[38:35] price, that is a massive undertaking as
a project,
[38:38] » it is.
>> Yep. It will be. And we want to make
[38:40] sure we do it right
>> the first time, right? And so, um, we're
[38:45] being very
thoughtful in planning that. Um, one of
[38:49] the things with with the budget system,
[laughter] our ERP system served as our
[38:53] operating budget um, platform in the
past and so we thought, hey, let's get
[38:59] our budget system up and working and
make sure that's in place before we
[39:03] before we replace an ERP system because
most likely most ERP systems these days
[39:09] don't have their own budgeting module.
So, we wanted to make sure um really the
[39:13] biggest project that that we have
in a year is um is taken care of first.
[39:20] So,
>> mayor and council, I I think that's
[39:23] another really great example of staff
thinking about not just effectiveness,
[39:28] but efficiencies in our operation. um
the the decision to to approach the
[39:33] budget system first is going to set a
foundation for us to make not not just
[39:38] more effective decisions but more
efficient decisions down the road when
[39:42] it comes to the technology that we're
using and integrating uh at the core of
[39:46] our operations. So, uh, Jenny and Alyssa
and Adam and the finance team alongside
[39:53] the IT team, uh, deserve a lot of credit
for thinking differently, uh, and and
[39:57] not just going to market to spend $2.8
million on a, uh, on a system or a
[40:03] system project, but rather really
thinking about what are the operational
[40:06] needs, how can we do it most effectively
and most efficiently, not just for our
[40:10] operation, but for the community uh, in
terms of deliverables, outcomes,
[40:14] results, and how much it costs.
>> Yeah. And I also reading [clears throat]
[40:18] in all of the information that you share
with us, um the updates to the website
[40:25] allows the budget to be in a way that is
very
[40:31] efficiently
uh put out and then very readable by the
[40:36] general public.
>> Yep. And we're looking to make
[40:40] additional advancements in that area as
well. So um certainly that's exciting
[40:45] » and that's addresses our transparency as
well. So that's really great. Yeah.
[40:52] » Um some key assumptions. This fund has
historically been a challenged fund in
[40:57] terms of um overall fund balance. Um
there was a 12% levy increase
[41:02] year-over-year in this fund. Um we
increased um the the last four years
[41:08] 30%. Now that's 30% of what was going
into the ITF fund. So then that's about
[41:14] um you know 150 to 250,000 a year. Um
but really you'll see when we look at
[41:20] the finance plan that we did need to to
make an adjustment there. Our annual
[41:25] average expenditures are about $1.8
million and revenues are about 1.4 and
[41:31] our levy was about $1.1 million over the
five years on average. is the telephone
[41:37] system that we're replacing. That's on
the 26 budget, not on the 27.
[41:43] [clears throat]
>> Madame Mayor and council members, that's
[41:45] a project that's actually moving forward
currently that was approved in the 2026
[41:48] budget.
>> That's what I was thinking.
[41:50] » Yep. And it's a it's a hosted platform.
So, it's the first phone platform that
[41:54] we'll be using that's cloud-based.
>> Yeah.
[41:56] » Um and we'll see a reduced amount of
capital um replacement costs going
[42:01] forward as a result of that. Yeah,
that's good because I thought it was
[42:05] we're looking at 27.
That replacement was in the 26 budget
[42:11] » and and you'll notice a dramatic
increase in features.
[42:15] » Absolutely.
>> It's a big jump.
[42:18] » Does that come with uh additional
exposures to outside bad guys when we're
[42:23] going to a more cloud-based system?
>> The cloud-based platform that we're
[42:27] actually moving forward with is a
government-only cloud-based platform. as
[42:30] part of our M Microsoft ecosystem
through their government-only cloud
[42:35] services. So there's an added layer of
protection as a result of that, but
[42:38] we'll treat it like any new systems and
we'll continue to apply our several
[42:42] multi-layered security to that platform
too. um a lot of new functions and
[42:47] features are are available as a result
and there may be some new risks as
[42:51] associated with that. But um we're
taking that into consideration as we
[42:56] move that project forward and it'll just
become another asset that we maintain
[43:01] like we do most of our IT assets today.
>> I was glad we weren't on Iran's hit list
[43:06] with [clears throat] the water treatment
facilities. Yeah,
[43:10] » even if they were, they wouldn't have
gotten through.
[43:12] » And because I know that we have,
>> I think was 911 that we started
[43:18] hardening the the um water system plant
and you keep on top of that and so we
[43:27] harden the uh security of that water
delivery system. Well, madam members of
[43:34] the council, certainly one of the
investments that we've asked the
[43:37] community and that you've asked the
community to make uh through the ITF and
[43:41] other funds I is a significant
investment in cyber security. We take uh
[43:46] the protection of the public's data and
our infrastructure seriously. Uh Tom and
[43:50] his team have done quite a bit of work
in this space over the course of the
[43:53] past couple of years. Maybe just by way
of education for the community and the
[43:56] council, Tom, can you just talk a bit
about what we've studied and what we've
[44:00] planned for and the current state of
cyber security?
[44:04] » Um, we went through a a security
assessment in 2025, early 2025 as a a
[44:10] follow-up to previous [clears throat]
assessments that we've done um over the
[44:13] year last few years. Um this one really
identified um gaps which we anticipate
[44:19] with any assessment that we do and areas
of focus that uh we want to bring
[44:23] forward um that align with our capital
improvements plan and our operating
[44:27] expenses. Um and that really what we're
doing today and what we're asking for in
[44:31] the budget going forward is a reflection
of that most recent assessment from
[44:35] 2025. Um in addition, we're moving
forward with additional managed
[44:39] services. We recognize that we don't
have the staffing resources to stay on
[44:44] top of some of the newest risks and um
items out there that are um malicious
[44:50] and are constantly attacking. Um and as
a result of that, you'll also see going
[44:56] forward in our budget requests um
additional operating expense increases
[45:00] for uh additional security as a service
um services um primarily through Lois,
[45:07] but we're also using additional third
parties. We don't um put all of our eggs
[45:11] in one basket. We have a as I mentioned
earlier multi-layered approach that
[45:15] really is the essence of a good security
plan is making sure that uh you you you
[45:20] have several layers um and resources
available as incidents [clears throat]
[45:25] do occur and they will occur. Um our
goal is to minimize the risk and
[45:29] minimize the the occurrence of those
incidents that occur. I remember the
[45:34] consultant coming in to present the
study and [snorts]
[45:38] um the conclusions and what we need to
do.
[45:42] » So that was a good report.
>> We anticipate um going through similar
[45:49] assessments in the future with third
parties. We also have the ability to do
[45:52] self assessments. We have tools in place
today that we can ask ourselves how
[45:56] we're doing, score ourselves, and create
metrics that help us continuously
[46:00] [cough] improve our posture.
>> Um, it's probably one of the most um
[46:06] increasing areas of
>> um time and effort from a labor
[46:12] standpoint in our group right now. And
that'll continue and that but that's
[46:16] also why we're we're trying to address
that through thirdparty services that
[46:19] can help us stay on top of everything.
And I'm really grateful for the work
[46:24] that all of you do, especially with what
happened to St. Paul and how quickly you
[46:28] made sure that ours was all
hardened and secured.
[46:34] » How do how does a I don't want to get
too far off track here, but how does a
[46:39] city like Plymouth, how do how do I
mean, I would imagine they have similar
[46:43] resources to us
um find themselves in a situation like
[46:48] that.
There's a lot of variables of course
[46:51] between the different services that the
cities provide. My understanding is um
[46:57] they may not have the same involvement
from their IT group in some of their
[47:02] » services that they they they run. Um and
it's just different set of
[47:07] circumstances. I can't speak in detail
what occurred at Plymouth, but um in
[47:12] general, it just depends on who is
leading the effort to secure systems and
[47:18] platforms and how well that group may or
may not be doing.
[47:22] » Um we are involved in our water utility
platform and have been since 2009 when
[47:28] we built out that fiber optic
infrastructure.
[47:31] » Yeah. Um, and we continue to leverage
that infrastructure along with the tools
[47:36] that we've been able to bring forward
over the years um to stay involved in
[47:40] the security of our water utilities
specifically, but we're also very
[47:44] involved in a lot of the services across
the organization um that touch the
[47:48] city's network essentially. Um, and
there may not be that same level of
[47:53] involvement in other organizations.
Well, it makes me feel better about
[47:59] spending almost $3 million on a system
knowing that [laughter]
[48:03] » I would much rather security
>> than
[48:08] » being sorry with what happened in St.
Paul and how many
[48:11] » weeks that it took for them to even get
back up to Yeah. And it wasn't I think
[48:16] it got two months. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.
[48:19] » Jenny, back to you.
>> All right. Well, I think Tom took care
[48:23] of my last bullet point there.
[laughter]
[48:27] Um this is the fund. Um you do see that
we do um this fund is more challenged
[48:34] than our other funds at the moment. But
with that additional investment, we do
[48:39] get back to our targeted fund balance by
2031.
[48:43] » Certainly cash flow is going to depend
that we have that entire large project
[48:48] in 2027. We anticipate that's probably
not going to all happen in 2027. It's
[48:52] going to happen over a period of a year
or two, maybe maybe a little into 2029.
[48:58] So, we may not see that fund balance dip
as low as we're predicting. And we'll
[49:02] keep an eye on that.
>> We have a plan to meet,
[49:04] » but we have a plan.
>> Okay, good.
[49:06] » So,
>> because I look at that and
[49:09] » and this fund it really, you know, we've
been we've been ramping up those levies.
[49:14] we just um added a little more in those
last four years to really get us to that
[49:19] to get us to that target by the end of
the 5-year plan.
[49:22] » Okay.
>> So, the challenge would be in 27 where
[49:26] it's onetime spending.
>> Okay.
[49:28] » Onetime spending. And then we'll look at
that. We'll want to make sure we what
[49:32] we'd like to do is match that levy to
our, you know, match our levy to our
[49:36] average expenditure so that we're
generally keeping pace with the costs.
[49:41] And historically in this fund, we
haven't we haven't really gotten there
[49:45] yet.
[49:50] Um the next fund is the infrastructure
trust fund. Uh major projects really are
[49:54] quite simple here. Is really um the
spending in this fund is really all
[49:58] going to street improvements of about $4
million planned for 2027.
[50:04] This fund overall um the capital the
five-year capital plan increased about
[50:08] 36% in this fund or about nine and a
half million dollars that really is
[50:14] subsequent or following the um
infrastructure trust funding trust fund
[50:19] study and um the investment in um that
five-year strategy to get our levy up to
[50:30] um up to what we need to to maintain our
pavement conditions.
[50:34] Certainly, the levy was funded or the
levy was informed by the study. 2027 did
[50:41] not change. That includes a 3% increase
year-over-year in that fund. And then an
[50:46] average of 15% increases from 2027
through 2032.
[50:52] Um, municipal state aid is also received
in this project as there are some MSA
[50:56] funded projects
um that run through the ITF. We do have
[51:01] an al we've maintained that allocation
assumption at a level amount of $2.8
[51:06] million a year. That's our 20 that
matches our 2026 allocation. Um
[51:13] MSA though is not received or recognized
until we have projects um that are MSA
[51:19] eligible.
[51:22] We also received a we also receive a a
small amount of transportation and
[51:27] advancement aid. We expect about 109,000
in 2027.
[51:33] Uh that program started in 2024. We
received 23,000.
[51:38] I think 72,000 and about 90,000 is
expected this year. We don't have any
[51:44] plans for additional debt in this fund.
And this capital planning um here and
[51:50] the projects are informed by the
pavement management plan, our traffic
[51:53] signal study, and our horizontal
infrastructure study.
[51:59] Um key assumptions here that 2027
through 2031 capital improvement plan
[52:04] includes an annual average increase of
$2 million in project expenditures and
[52:10] that really aligns with the ITF study
recommendations and funding strategy.
[52:16] So with those assumptions um we do have
we do have this finance plan. You can
[52:22] see we are a little bit below what our
target fund balance is. the um ITF study
[52:27] did recommend um an increase in that
kind of targeted fund balance or that
[52:33] reserve in that fund. Um this this
reserve is set at a certain percentage
[52:38] of annual expenditures. So right now um
we're we're um
[52:45] recommending about $2.5 million
in um in a target fund balance in this
[52:50] fund. And with this plan, we're a little
bit below it, but you can see in 2031,
[52:54] we do get to the target.
Um, we did do an additional uh bit of
[53:01] work here on a on a on an option that
does include um land sale proceeds. Um
[53:08] current recently the city um closed on a
couple of land sales surplus land sales
[53:14] and there is um 2.1 million available in
surplus land sale revenue in 2026. Um
[53:22] staff is recommending um
depositing that in the infrastructure
[53:28] trust fund that would help alleviate the
increase in the property tax levy over
[53:34] the five years of this plan. So 3%
remains the same in 2027 with 12%
[53:41] increases in actually that should say 28
through 31 instead of 15% increases. So
[53:46] it does reduce the property tax burden a
little bit over the 5-year window about
[53:52] 0.25%
on the total levy.
[53:56] It also would ensure reserves stay above
the targeted fund balance. So, um
[54:01] certainly
would um like the council's um feedback
[54:06] on that and direction. Um but with that,
this is what the difference in the um
[54:13] two levies look like. It is a little bit
different amount in each year, but
[54:17] again, that's about 0.25% on the total
levy across the five years of the plan.
[54:25] and that that finance plan would look a
little bit different with that um ending
[54:30] fund balance being a little bit higher
and then revenues are a little bit
[54:35] lower. Um it just we don't have to raise
revenues quite as quickly over that
[54:39] 5-year window. So that is an option and
um wanted to show it both ways so you
[54:44] had that had that perspective.
[54:50] » Madame Mayor.
>> Yeah. I just when we reviewed that shift
[54:54] of land sale funds, I thought that was
also driven by a need for increasing the
[55:00] miles of road to be repaired. So, it was
going to get spent, which would still
[55:05] leave the fund back down, per se, unless
we were layering it on top of the
[55:11] existing spend. I like the plan. I'm
just wondering is it is it about getting
[55:16] the balance up or is it about funding it
greater so we can get more roads
[55:21] repaired?
>> Well, the way it's um structured right
[55:25] now and it could be structured
differently. You could do it on top of
[55:28] if you wanted to do if we wanted to do
more roads sooner. It really was to ease
[55:33] that property tax burden of that kind of
having to really amp up that that levy.
[55:40] So, was the plan with the levy pre that
decision
[55:44] » uh accommodating more road repairs?
>> They're accommodating the same amount
[55:50] scaling up or
>> same amount between amount, right?
[55:53] That's what I thought. But then I, you
know, when when we looked at that
[55:55] pavement index and the road condition
and all that, it seemed like it needed a
[55:59] shot in the arm to to actually net
increase how many call it miles of road
[56:05] each year we were repairing.
>> Yeah. Yeah, council member Keely, it
[56:10] really is the two options are the same
amount of roads. It really is just
[56:15] helping to get those reserves up earlier
and
[56:18] » easing that easing that levy increase a
little bit.
[56:22] » Yeah.
>> In that four four to five year plan
[56:25] » and and it directly um benefits our
taxpayers.
[56:30] » It does, which I I mean there's there's
a lot of great benefit there. was just
[56:34] trying to get back, you know, to the
source, you know, how much Mark needs to
[56:40] keep up with the deterioration of the
roads, which means there would indicate
[56:45] a net increase in roads miles repaired
or feet, however you measure it, each
[56:50] year, right? To start to catch up with
>> correct
[56:53] » the level of erosion of our roads
conditions, right? Road conditions. the
[56:57] first version of the plan um was based
on direction after the May ITF study. So
[57:04] it did give them that recommended bump
up.
[57:08] » And then in this version, it just allows
us to do the same thing but just not
[57:12] » Okay. So there is a net bump built into
it, right?
[57:15] » Yeah. Yep.
>> Correct. So,
[57:17] » madame mayor, members of the council,
really the the staff recommendation here
[57:21] uh is reflective of this of the
council's May 2026 direction, council
[57:27] member Keely that you were referencing
uh which is which is all about investing
[57:32] further resources into uh maintaining
our streets, right? Maintaining that
[57:38] core critical infrastructure. Uh so the
study itself found that uh we current we
[57:43] currently or at the time had invested
around $3.1 million um um annually um
[57:50] compared to an estimated $6 million
need. So that the May direction um uh
[57:56] helped to fill that gap. Then uh that
otherwise without without increased
[58:03] investment that happened in May would
have resulted in about 11 additional
[58:07] miles if memory serves
>> um uh today would have gone to 40 miles
[58:15] in
>> Yeah.
[58:16] » 10 years.
>> Yeah.
[58:17] » Yeah. I think that was
>> in that neighborhood.
[58:20] » That's what I remember. So, so that May
direction does address more streets. The
[58:24] options more street reconstruction and
caring for more street miles and
[58:29] maintaining that pavement condition
index that that we identified through
[58:33] the pavement management plan.
>> The options in front of you today, both
[58:37] the first and the second option, uh that
second option really really does two
[58:41] things. It reduces the cost to taxpayers
>> uh by about an average annual average
[58:49] impact of a quarter of a percent on the
levy on the total levy a year
[58:54] » um uh and repositions the fund balance
to meet the policy that the council
[59:00] adopted in May
>> without levying additional to get there
[59:05] » and the same amount of streets in each.
So it is it's it has that bump of
[59:11] increase that we made decision. This
just helps helps buffer the cost of it.
[59:16] » It just buffers that impact in those
initial years
[59:19] » and based on Travis's presentation at
our previous meeting, maybe there's some
[59:22] opportunity to buffer it even further if
we can
[59:25] » identify some properties.
>> Yeah, DG
[59:27] » more properties. Um, [clears throat] I I
do like this plan, but I'm struck by the
[59:33] fact this is spread out over five years
at a 2.52%
[59:38] decrease in the levy, which is does save
our taxpayers some money. But just going
[59:43] through this presentation tonight and
listening to our equipment fund or
[59:48] possibly some things in the parks or our
our um technology that we have to do
[59:53] which is a big one-time spend for us
next year which would give us an
[59:58] immediate impact of the overall I mean I
there I think every one of them has a
[1:00:04] need and I and I'm trying to weigh out
what's going to get us the best impact
[1:00:09] for it and over a fiveyear period of
time I'm not sure we save the taxpayers
[1:00:12] that much money per year
as we would if we were to take something
[1:00:18] like this and go into our technology and
suddenly we got 2.1 million to go into
[1:00:22] there to make some of that stuff happen.
So we're not levying for that whole
[1:00:25] thing in one year as opposed over a
5year period of time. And I and I look
[1:00:29] at the same thing with our equipment
fund as well is we're doing it in one
[1:00:34] year instead of over a fiveyear period
of time again. And so we get an
[1:00:37] immediate impact for and I'm trying to
keep my mind in one time spending mode
[1:00:41] versus what's going to impact us most
for a one-time spend
[1:00:45] » as opposed to just peacemealing over a
5year period of time.
[1:00:49] Um, Council Member Guffson, as we look
at this, um, we were thinking about it
[1:00:55] kind of in with that one-time funding
lens and really, um, trying to figure
[1:01:01] out what makes sense, what where could
it make a difference? And part of the
[1:01:06] doing it, part of the spreading it over
five years is to really avoid any large
[1:01:11] um dips and large increases, right? So
we could certainly use it all in one
[1:01:16] year but that also has an impact of then
the the increase in the levy has to be
[1:01:21] larger in the next year. So really
trying to smooth it out over year over a
[1:01:26] number of years and as we looked at
parks and equipment and vehicle that was
[1:01:30] also why instead of maybe taking one big
increase um since we have some time and
[1:01:36] a little bit of runway in terms of you
know when when we're going to have more
[1:01:42] challenges with our funding. wanted to
start that now and maybe build it
[1:01:47] » rather than having um
just kind of rise and fall, rise and
[1:01:53] fall. Right.
>> Okay. So, that's kind of what we kept in
[1:01:56] mind.
>> Just so you know, I'm good I'm good with
[1:01:58] every one of you, including the
infrastructure, but I just want to make
[1:02:00] sure that when we make this decision to
spend this kind of money, we're what's
[1:02:04] going to get us our best impact
immediately. And you know, and I and
[1:02:09] quite frankly, I have very very much big
concerns about what's happening at the
[1:02:14] county right now. Uh because I don't
know how that's going to impact us uh
[1:02:19] from everything I've been reading and
hearing about things may get rolled down
[1:02:23] to us where we're going to start paying
picking up a lot more of the tab for
[1:02:26] things that happen in this city that the
county has been part of for us for the
[1:02:29] time. And we got to be prepared for
that. Yeah.
[1:02:32] » And and I understand what you're what
you're concerned about, but one of the
[1:02:37] things that I have great confidence in
is how we do capital improvement
[1:02:43] planning and the things that our staff
have done and and the information that
[1:02:49] we have because
ultimately
[1:02:53] it I what we're doing here is following
through with the things that we said
[1:02:59] that we would do and how the capital
improvement plan and the financial
[1:03:03] management plan has guided us to get us
to where we are. So, I have
[1:03:10] great confidence and trust in the work
that we're doing.
[1:03:15] » You know, but it's good for us to
understand what's happening at the
[1:03:19] county, but we have no control over it.
>> We don't, but we can at least prepare
[1:03:23] ourselves for if the worst case happens.
>> And I think we
[1:03:27] » and that's
>> we understand that and it will get
[1:03:30] there. But I I want to make sure that we
stay on track with the plans that we
[1:03:36] have done and directed staff to do and
um I have great confidence in the work
[1:03:42] that has been done.
>> I have confidence in our staff.
[1:03:45] » Yeah. Yeah. Good.
>> Y and um the next budget work session
[1:03:52] we'll talk more about those overall
>> Yeah.
[1:03:54] » levy impacts, right? So we'll kind of
roll everything together and you'll
[1:03:58] » I think I'd like to hear more on that.
>> Yep. So, we'll talk um all of these
[1:04:01] changes will be rolled up and then as
well as operating funds and we'll see
[1:04:05] that total impact to the levy. But um
this also allows us to have some some
[1:04:11] fund balance to respond if there are
streets or changes that um need to be
[1:04:17] made. So, this also keeps a little bit
more of a reserve in this ITF fund over
[1:04:21] the five years. [snorts]
>> Okay.
[1:04:25] » Okay.
Um the next fund is improvement
[1:04:29] construction. This fund is related to
the ITF fund but really this is our
[1:04:32] centralized street construction fund. It
really is a zero balance fund. All those
[1:04:37] street improvement projects run through
there and then are funded through um
[1:04:42] either the ITF
or um various utility funds. So there is
[1:04:46] a generally a zero balance in this fund.
Um what does stay in here or the
[1:04:51] activity that does kind of live in this
fund are the special assessment
[1:04:55] components of the revenue and
expenditures as well as any state and
[1:04:58] federal grants for street projects.
Currently we do not have grants planned
[1:05:03] or um built into the CIP but if there
are any identified those will be added
[1:05:09] to future CIPs if that happens.
So this is a little bit this isn't very
[1:05:16] exciting but basically [laughter]
revenue in equals uh revenue in equals
[1:05:20] expenditures out. So in this fund
um the street maintenance fund this uh
[1:05:27] fund is really for kind of routine
maintenance preventative roadway
[1:05:30] maintenance um and so the m and pavement
markings and rightway maintenance. So
[1:05:35] expenditures in this fund are about
$900,000 or actually 700 $7800,000
[1:05:42] annually. Um
key assumptions here the funding for
[1:05:48] this work is um accomplished through
transfers from the general fund as well
[1:05:54] as transfers uh from the water and sewer
storm water funds for to help fund that
[1:06:00] street and their components of the
street.
[1:06:04] This fund is generally in a pretty
stable situation. Revenues and
[1:06:08] expenditures are generally balanced in
this fund. Um certainly we do have about
[1:06:13] $1.4 million
um in fund balance. It is well over the
[1:06:17] required reserve but um generally we are
budgeting this in a way that is um
[1:06:24] generally not building up a large fund
balance over time but just maintaining
[1:06:28] what we have. [snorts]
[1:06:32] the facilities fund. Um so in this fund
we have major facility projects ongoing.
[1:06:37] Police city hall is one of those. Um the
May 25th May 2025 groundbreaking
[1:06:44] um happened with plan completion in
2028. Uh the bidday cost budget of that
[1:06:50] uh this facility is $98 million. Capital
improvement bonds of 68.6 million were
[1:06:56] issued in May of 2025. We anticipate the
second trunch of bonds being issued
[1:07:02] before the end of the year. So, um
remaining bonds we could issue up to
[1:07:07] $31.4 million, but we're working with
our financial advisor um on kind of
[1:07:12] narrowing down what that issue amount
might be as well as um kind of what the
[1:07:17] status of the project is.
[1:07:22] Fire station 2 that is also a large
project that is included in the budget
[1:07:26] in this fund. Um, architect and
engineering design service contracts
[1:07:31] were approved in July. Those total about
$ 1.5 million. The CIP estimate of $35
[1:07:37] million was included for 2028.
[1:07:43] Schematic design estimates are expected
by early 2027. So, we'll have some
[1:07:47] updated cost numbers. At that time,
we'll come back to the council to
[1:07:51] discuss any additional financing and
franchise fee implications.
[1:07:56] um and those will be planned early
probably um early next year.
[1:08:05] In addition to large facility projects,
we have repair and maintenance across
[1:08:08] all facilities included in this fund. A
little over $3 million was proposed for
[1:08:13] 2027.
Um those investments are largely
[1:08:17] informed by the municipal facilities
inventory.
[1:08:21] Uh, one project that isn't included yet,
um, but we're working on, we do have a
[1:08:25] public safety memorial project that
hasn't yet been included in the pro post
[1:08:30] CIP. We don't really have, um, good cost
numbers, but once schematic design is in
[1:08:36] is completed, we'll incorporate that
into the CIP as well. And that would be
[1:08:42] something um on this site kind of in
conjunction with the facilities uh, the
[1:08:47] police and city hall project.
Madame Mayor, members of the council,
[1:08:50] you you'll recall that uh throughout
um uh responding to and um throughout
[1:09:00] responding to the tragedy of February
18th, uh we've prioritized
[1:09:06] uh taking care of our fallen families,
taking care of our police and fire
[1:09:09] departments. Um uh this is uh a project
that very much is is reflective of that
[1:09:15] commitment. Um uh so we're making some
progress on a permanent public me
[1:09:20] memorial and we also recognize that it's
very important to take our time to get
[1:09:24] it right. Uh so rather than uh suggest
in this fund a placeholder for the
[1:09:31] project, we didn't find that to be
appropriate. Rather, we'll come back to
[1:09:34] you um and discuss the cost of the
project. We do expect this to be a 2027
[1:09:40] project. Uh and uh we also do expect
there to be some efficiencies and some
[1:09:47] effectiveness found in constructing it
as part of the police city hall project
[1:09:52] uh with the sighting decision. So more
to come this year.
[1:09:55] » Okay. Now and and that's this is
separate from the bridge correct
[1:09:59] memorial
>> and we don't have those numbers. Madame
[1:10:04] Mayor, members of the council, there is
included in in the CIP uh planned
[1:10:09] numbers for a a bridge lighting project.
Uh the Burnsville Parkway bridge over um
[1:10:15] uh 35W um was recognized by the state as
is the heroes memorial bridge for Paul
[1:10:22] Matt and Adam.
>> Uh this is a separate project from that.
[1:10:26] Uh there is a a city-f funded lighting
project that we plan to bring back to
[1:10:31] you uh even as early as the next couple
of weeks uh to to talk more about um uh
[1:10:38] the anticipated cost and funding
strategy for that project. But there is
[1:10:43] currently capital funds that are planned
uh for for that project.
[1:10:48] » Okay.
>> I just want people to understand these
[1:10:51] are two different projects. There's the
memorial bridge
[1:10:55] » uh and then the heroes bridge and then
this is one that's going to be here on
[1:10:59] campus.
>> Correct. We're this item is a permanent
[1:11:03] public safety memorial uh that will be
on this site or planned tenatively to be
[1:11:09] on this site uh that we would bring back
to you both from a from a funding a
[1:11:14] project perspective sometime later this
year.
[1:11:17] » Okay. But we'll see the bridge lighting
project with what that's going to look
[1:11:23] like coming [snorts] in about what two
months you say.
[1:11:26] » Uh madame mayor, members of the council,
I have a meeting with our team tomorrow
[1:11:30] morning to talk more about the bridge
lighting project and I'll have more
[1:11:33] information then and we'll share uh more
with you. Uh again, uh we we absolutely
[1:11:39] are taking our time on these projects.
Uh we want to make sure that we get it
[1:11:42] right. uh we want to make sure that
we're caring for our fallen families and
[1:11:45] and putting those commitments and
priorities first. So, uh that's been the
[1:11:49] that's been the approach. But yes, I I
expect that to come back or expect,
[1:11:53] excuse me, the uh Heroes Memorial Bridge
lighting project to come back uh for
[1:11:59] city council discussion and direction
likely before uh we talk about the
[1:12:06] permanent public safety memorial project
that that Jenny has on slide here.
[1:12:10] » Okay.
[1:12:14] major 2027 projects. Um outside of those
major facility projects, um we do have
[1:12:20] Ames Center theater seating scheduled.
Um Ames Center upper and lower lower
[1:12:24] lobby ceilings, so about
a million $1.4 million for those
[1:12:30] projects. HOC ramp traffic membrane, so
that's about $475,000
[1:12:37] as well as ice center main electrical
switchboard and transformer. So, some
[1:12:40] some pretty large projects in across a
number of facilities.
[1:12:45] Some key assumptions here. Utility
franchise fees um fund the majority of
[1:12:51] of the expenditures in this fund in
2027. We estimate those at about 11.3
[1:12:56] million.
Included [snorts] in the activity in
[1:13:00] this fund are also annual facilities
debt service, which is currently about
[1:13:03] $7.5 million of that 11 um 11.3 million.
And again, this does address facility
[1:13:11] needs across the city, really throughout
all all city facilities. Um the only
[1:13:16] exceptions to that would be the utility
um sites and those are funded through
[1:13:21] the respective utility funds.
Um here is the the plan for the
[1:13:27] facilities fund. um that we do have that
that hund00 million project really does
[1:13:32] impact um the perspective of this, but
we are maintaining uh a fund balance
[1:13:38] that's above our targeted reserve um out
into the future. We're not and and and
[1:13:44] accumulating some fund balance. So, um
this fund is right now functioning as
[1:13:48] intended and we're in a in a good place
here.
[1:13:55] Um the water and sewer utility fund. So
we are scheduled or we are planning to
[1:14:02] actually separate these two funds. Um
currently right now they are reported
[1:14:06] together or co-mingled as one fund and
we are in the process of making that um
[1:14:11] separation. That'll really help ease um
and help make um future rate studies and
[1:14:16] other things much more simpler with
these two funds. But um right now
[1:14:20] they're currently together, but we do we
did start with budgeting them
[1:14:24] separately. So um the major 2027 water
projects are um about a million8 in
[1:14:31] street improvements that did increase
and that increase was really due to the
[1:14:35] funding strategy in the ITF fund. Um
kind of we talked about there will be
[1:14:41] some additional shifts
>> voting is still going
[1:14:43] » into the water and sewer fund.
[1:14:48] Um there's a a $3 million Highway 13
frontage roads um water and water water
[1:14:54] portion. Um that's about $3 million.
That really is the work on Highway 13 um
[1:15:00] from Savage to um I think it's Vincent
Avenue. Uh well rehab of $890,000
[1:15:08] as well as um of the roof for the Nicola
reservoir.
[1:15:14] Major sanitary sewer projects include um
lift station rehab for Washburn Washurn
[1:15:19] lift station at a million five. Um the
san the sewer component of those
[1:15:24] frontage road improvements along um
highway 13 as well as lining of the
[1:15:29] vitrified clay pipe that we have in the
system at $870,000.
[1:15:36] um key assumptions here really
addressing those high criticality items
[1:15:40] um that were in the five-year capital
plan
[1:15:44] um informed by the studies that we've
done. The CIP is informed um for water
[1:15:50] and sewer is informed by a number of
studies including um the water treatment
[1:15:53] plan assessment, hor horizontal
infrastructure study as well as a fleet
[1:15:58] study um and the ITF study even and
pavement management plan. Um again this
[1:16:04] year we've engaged elers to update the
utility rate study. Last year's study
[1:16:09] indicated um water rates would increase
about 7% annually in the future or in
[1:16:16] the 5-year plan and sewer increases
would in sewer would increase 9.5% in
[1:16:22] 2027 and 4% annually thereafter. So
that's kind of where we were last year
[1:16:27] at this time. Um we do expect some in
additional rate increases for imp
[1:16:33] implementation of that utility fund
integrated utility funding strategy for
[1:16:37] street improvement. So we did you know
allocate additional street improvement
[1:16:43] cost related to the utility funds to the
utility funds. So we do expect those
[1:16:48] increases to be higher this year as we
go through that study. But we'll we'll
[1:16:53] talk about that in September and we'll
present financial information for the
[1:16:57] fund at that September fee meeting.
[1:17:02] Storm water utility fund um major
projects there again street improvements
[1:17:07] and some um ravine restoration and slope
stabilization at $550,000.
[1:17:13] Um replacement projects of of uh storm
sewer main as well as pond cleanout and
[1:17:20] outfall improvement program. So um some
routine projects, typical projects. Um
[1:17:25] we've also engaged Ellers to update the
study, utility rate study here. Um the
[1:17:31] 2026 study indicated rate increases of
about four and a quarter% going forward.
[1:17:37] Um we do anticipate an increase here as
well based on the ITF study and
[1:17:44] implementing the integrated utility
funding strategy for street improvement.
[1:17:48] So really um putting some of those storm
water related
[1:17:53] expenditures in the storm water fund.
Again we'll come back with financial
[1:17:57] information at the September fee meeting
as well as present the utility rate
[1:18:00] study at that time.
Um AIM center fund this fund also has
[1:18:06] individual um capital purchases. 560,000
is proposed in this fund for theatrical
[1:18:13] lighting um with an LED LED conversion.
Um financial information for this fund
[1:18:20] will also be presented at the September
fee meeting. Usually all the enterprise
[1:18:24] funds are presented at that time.
And with that um this is just a little
[1:18:30] reminder of um the budget calendar and
the meetings ahead. Um our next we'll
[1:18:35] have department budget presentations
next with um the proposed budget and tax
[1:18:41] study discussion on September 8th, the
remaining department presentations as
[1:18:46] well. And then on September 15th, we'll
um discuss the proposed fees as well as
[1:18:51] the rate study and the remainder of the
funds.
[1:18:56] September 22nd, um the proposed city and
EDA property tax levy is scheduled to be
[1:19:01] adopted. We do have a discussion on the
proposed budget um scheduled for
[1:19:07] November 24th if needed and final uh
city and EDA property tax levy and
[1:19:13] budget adoption on December 8th.
And with that, I'm done. I I'm complete.
[1:19:19] That was a long presentation, I know,
tonight, but um if there are any
[1:19:23] questions, I'm here for any questions.
>> You ran me out of questions. [laughter]
[1:19:28] » Any questions? Thank you, Jenny. It's
always good
[1:19:33] to see what we're looking forward to,
especially with what we remember from 26
[1:19:39] and what we did back then. So,
>> yeah. So, thank you very much.
[1:19:46] » Great.
>> Okay. With that, we'll go to department
[1:19:50] budgets.
>> I'll hand it over um to Chief Smith and
[1:19:53] he can talk about the police department.
>> Police first.
[1:19:57] » Madame Mayor, members of the council.
Yeah, they got the new guy going first.
[1:20:00] So, we'll [laughter] see how this goes.
>> Big department budget presentation.
[1:20:04] » Uh, we'll just start with our department
overview here. The Burnsville Police
[1:20:08] Department is dedicated to strengthening
our culture and delivering the highest
[1:20:11] level of public safety service grounded
in our mission and core values to ensure
[1:20:16] procedural justice and protect the
dignity dignity and sanctity of human
[1:20:21] life.
[1:20:24] So
our investment kind of our impacts that
[1:20:28] we're looking at really is to procure
adequate resources to maintain the high
[1:20:32] level of service that we have for the
community. Uh leverage new technology
[1:20:36] and strategies regarding violent crime
reduction and ensure adequate staffing
[1:20:41] to meet the community's needs. So these
are kind of the three bullet points that
[1:20:44] drive a big part of what our budget
proposal is.
[1:20:49] Uh achievements. I should hit the button
for this one. Uh achievements and
[1:20:54] challenges. We had about 49,000 just shy
of 50,000 calls for service in 2025. Uh
[1:21:00] we collaborated with the Bureau of
Criminal Criminal Apprehensions Violent
[1:21:04] Crime Reduction Unit. Uh that
investigator actually just started on
[1:21:08] Monday and is really excited
>> to be there. So, thank you for your
[1:21:12] investment in that. We've acquired
specialized equipment for officer and
[1:21:16] community safety. That includes two
[clears throat] armored rescue vehicles,
[1:21:21] one of which we received a few months
ago and the other one we're actually
[1:21:25] going to inspect next week and we hope
to be here with by the end of the month.
[1:21:29] So that's really exciting as well as
some other uh just protective equipment.
[1:21:34] » And your command vehicle comes when
>> that will be about two years that just
[1:21:39] got ordered I think.
>> Yeah, [clears throat] because we just
[1:21:42] approved that.
>> Correct. And that the nice thing about
[1:21:46] that there was no match.
>> I would I would defer to Chief Jungman
[1:21:51] on that but yes correct. Okay.
>> Yeah there was no match.
[1:21:55] » Excellent.
>> No the uh upfitting of that was all
[1:21:59] included.
>> Madam Mayor, members of the council,
[1:22:02] good question. Uh yes. similar to what
you saw in the fleet portion of the
[1:22:07] capital presentation tonight. That is a
>> uh the cost the council has seen and is
[1:22:12] planned in the cap is the total cost of
the
[1:22:13] » vehicle. Good. Because I wasn't quite
sure when we got that grant whether that
[1:22:20] also included the upfetting.
>> Okay.
[1:22:23] » Yeah. I think the whole thing was
budgeted for and then the grant was just
[1:22:25] going to
>> when we when we applied for the grant.
[1:22:28] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[1:22:30] Uh moving on to this page, you know,
other achievements and kind of
[1:22:34] challenges at the same time is adapting
to the rapidly evolving technology to
[1:22:38] assist in maintaining public safety. I
think we're just seeing that a lot of
[1:22:41] these technology costs are increasing
quickly. Uh some of the achievements in
[1:22:48] that area, we we have our paragon
contract and we were able to purchase
[1:22:52] two camera trailers this year that we've
had out.
[1:22:56] Um, a challenge that I know Chief
Schwarz brought up, I believe during
[1:22:59] this presentation last year, is in some
of our staffing and specifically the the
[1:23:04] span of control at the command level.
Um, we have we have some captains, one
[1:23:10] captain in particular, supervising more
than what would be recommended. So,
[1:23:13] you'll see as we move through the slides
here, one [cough] of our requests for
[1:23:17] 2027 is is an additional captain
position.
[1:23:21] » Okay? And then uh again looking for
innovative ways to address violent
[1:23:26] crime. That BCA violent crime unit was
was one that we've been able to start
[1:23:31] and we continue to to look for ways to
utilize technology and other strategies
[1:23:35] to get after the violent crime.
I kind of mentioned it just a minute
[1:23:41] ago, but um one of the cost drivers is
just the the cost of the technology.
[1:23:46] More technology. We are more
technologydriven and that's an area
[1:23:50] where costs are just ever increasing.
Um we need to ensure that our critical
[1:23:55] equipment is replaced on schedule
according to the expected life cycle. Um
[1:24:01] we have some changes you'll see as we
move in here. They were items that had
[1:24:05] been in the IT budget that we've moved
from the IT budget to the PD budget. So
[1:24:09] there's an increase in the PD budget,
but citywide it's it's a wash. And then
[1:24:15] again, I believe it's on the next slide,
we'll talk about the additional staffing
[1:24:19] requests that we are requesting in the
2027 budget. [cough]
[1:24:25] Council member Gustoson is back just in
time for uh this first one.
[1:24:30] » We have had county social workers uh a
social worker working out of here.
[1:24:35] » Yeah.
>> Paid for by the county. The county did
[1:24:38] recently ask us if we would want to do a
5050 split for 2027.
[1:24:44] Um it's our feeling that that we would
get more out of having this social work
[1:24:50] be funded 100% by the city.
>> One thing we found is that that she and
[1:24:57] and she would apply for the job, but the
count the county social worker we have
[1:25:01] right now is pulled in a lot of
different directions
[1:25:04] » because they're a county employee and
they're working out of here. So, we just
[1:25:08] feel like if we could staff that
full-time and pay for it with the city,
[1:25:12] we would get get more out of that.
>> Yeah.
[1:25:15] » Uh the second one, this was identified
in the organizational analysis from
[1:25:20] several years ago, would be a patrol
officer position. And then again, um the
[1:25:25] captain position, which I think we've
talked about over the last several
[1:25:28] years, trying to even out a little bit
of that. We we are very thankful for the
[1:25:33] support this council and the mayor have
given us with adding staff and we just
[1:25:37] need to kind of rightsize what
administration looks like to oversee
[1:25:41] that staff that we've added.
>> Question chief.
[1:25:44] » Yes.
>> How many captains do we have today?
[1:25:47] » We have three captains today
>> and you're requesting going to four.
[1:25:50] » Yeah,
>> go to four. Uh I know our neighboring
[1:25:54] agencies Egan is up to five. uh they are
lieutenants there but they're equivalent
[1:25:58] in the there's five and Lakeville has
recently gotten to five also.
[1:26:03] » Have they also increased their
>> boots on the ground patrol and sworn
[1:26:07] officers as well?
>> I don't know that answer. I just know
[1:26:11] that they did add the the fifth position
recently.
[1:26:14] » Thank you.
>> We've been we've been running very lean
[1:26:17] and we need to make sure and Chief
Schwarz had talked to us about this
[1:26:23] two years ago.
and they didn't pull the switch on it,
[1:26:29] but now we need to do it.
>> Chief, can you explain the leadership
[1:26:34] structure of the three current captains
and the deputy chief and what this does
[1:26:39] more specifically or what the excuse me,
what the addition of another patrol
[1:26:44] captain would do to alleviate some of
this the stress and well-being concerns
[1:26:49] that we have?
>> Good question. Um, Madame Mayor, members
[1:26:52] of the council, currently our structure,
we have the chief and of course the
[1:26:58] deputy chief who assists with the
day-to-day operations.
[1:27:02] Our captains, we have one captain, and
this has been this way for a while, for
[1:27:06] several years, that oversees
professional standards. So, that's all
[1:27:09] the policy,
um, hiring, sort of the personnel side
[1:27:14] of things. We have another captain that
oversees behavioral health
[1:27:19] investigations, community engagement,
and so that position, I think, has four
[1:27:25] or five sergeants reporting to them, and
typically five is about the recommended
[1:27:30] amount of people that would report to
you. The third captain has patrol
[1:27:34] » and investig.
>> We currently have nine patrol cap uh
[1:27:37] sergeants. That person is also
supervising the administrative sergeant
[1:27:41] because there's such a nexus with
patrol. So, we have one captain
[1:27:45] overseeing 10
patrol sergeants, which in and of itself
[1:27:50] is just too many. And I think when you
add in the 24hour coverage, it just
[1:27:56] becomes very hard to get touch points
with those sergeants that that work all
[1:28:01] these different shifts. Um and so when
you talk about trying to make sure that
[1:28:06] the sergeants get the support so that
they can give proper support to the
[1:28:10] officers so the officers can serve the
community that is a a point where we
[1:28:15] think having having another captain
would allow those 10 sergeants to be
[1:28:19] split between the two of them and they
would get much better support. Uh and
[1:28:23] where does investigation fall under?
>> That is under the with behavioral health
[1:28:27] and community engagement.
>> No, that boy that
[1:28:33] captain then has a full load also.
>> He does. Yeah,
[1:28:39] » it it at least numbers wise it's a
little more appropriate how the span of
[1:28:44] control [clears throat] lands there.
[1:28:49] » Yeah. But the number of cases you guys
work on
[1:28:54] both now in behavioral health and also
in investigation, it's a lot. And on
[1:28:59] behavioral health, it gets more and more
because of the mental health issues that
[1:29:05] you guys are attending to.
>> Madame Mayor, uh members of the council,
[1:29:09] you are correct. There's a lot. I do
think sometimes when we add to, you
[1:29:14] know, say a patrol captain here, that
that doesn't mean they're only helping
[1:29:18] with patrol. sometimes they're going to
help that's going to help
[1:29:24] just inadvertently what else is going on
in the department and vice versa. So I
[1:29:27] think as a team effort it would allow uh
the ability to spread the span of
[1:29:33] control more evenly.
>> Okay,
[1:29:40] this next slide uh our capital
improvements for 2027. We really don't
[1:29:44] have a long list of them. We have our
regularly scheduled vehicle
[1:29:48] replacements. We are coming due to have
our handguns replaced. It's been 10
[1:29:53] years since we did that. So that would
include the handguns, new sights, and
[1:29:58] they would need to have new holsters
because of they're a different
[1:30:01] generation of of handguns and and
sights. And then we put up here drone
[1:30:07] program enhancement. We're looking to
add one more drone to the fleet.
[1:30:14] Was there a time that we also could
uh apply for grants to cover some of our
[1:30:22] handguns and long guns?
>> I don't recall, Madame Mayor. I don't
[1:30:28] recall applying for grants for handguns.
We can certainly look into something
[1:30:32] like that.
I was just wondering at burn jag if we
[1:30:36] did that uh with the burn jag
grants but then you know it's been a
[1:30:42] while since I
thought about that.
[1:30:45] » Madam mayor, members of the council
certainly we we look at grant funding
[1:30:50] opportunities and alternative sources of
revenue for for this and many other uh
[1:30:54] operational needs. Um, uh, the police
department does a, uh, an excellent job
[1:31:00] at maximizing,
uh, state and federal grant
[1:31:04] opportunities. So certainly something
we'll keep our eye on into the future.
[1:31:07] I'm not off the top of my head, I I
don't recall those the specifics of
[1:31:12] previous grant funding.
>> Yeah. and I haven't seen any in a long
[1:31:15] time. So, I was just wondering since
we're looking at replacement and I saw
[1:31:20] in Jenny's report, she had a zero in
grant funding, federal grant that we
[1:31:26] were going out for.
>> Oh, that madame mayor, that was for um
[1:31:30] trans
>> for streets.
[1:31:31] » Streets. Yep.
>> Yeah, that was for streets.
[1:31:36] » Madame Mayor, I I also don't recall if
um Yeah, I just looked it up. the the
[1:31:40] burn jag grant that we got that we most
recently got was was for $20,000ish and
[1:31:48] I think that's what we shared with Apple
Valley. So
[1:31:51] » and we and we have used that. We've
earmarked that for some uses.
[1:31:54] » Okay. But not much.
>> Uh here are our major changes on the
[1:32:01] operations side. Axiom is a forensics.
It's a computer forensics program. the
[1:32:07] Axel group. We've we've entered into our
budget to refresh the the staffing study
[1:32:13] that we did about four years ago. Now, a
lot has changed in those four years. A
[1:32:17] lot um some really great
>> look at this
[1:32:21] » time off benefits, but that is also, you
know, having an effect on our schedule.
[1:32:25] So, we just want to refresh what what
our staffing looks like.
[1:32:31] » Uh ballistic shields we have up there.
There's the burn jag.
[1:32:34] » Yeah. funding we were talking about.
That's just a placeholder for the things
[1:32:37] that we've identified. We're going to
purchase the captain. We just mentioned
[1:32:42] CEN partner fees which are now combined
with the old records management system
[1:32:46] that those went up
a little bit.
[1:32:51] DCC operating budget, you can see that
went up about $76,000.
[1:32:56] LES is a it's a collaborative incident
response that that allows negotiators to
[1:33:02] work with members of the SWAT team and
others on on scenes of critical
[1:33:05] incidents. We have some night vision
goggles. The officer we talked about our
[1:33:11] our radios. We pay a fee per radio per
month to have access to the to the
[1:33:16] actual radio system. That fee went up
and so you see that there in the 2027
[1:33:22] amount. And then the social worker that
we discussed from the county,
[1:33:30] our revenues, uh, actually you see it
went up about $37,000. A big portion of
[1:33:36] that is from adding in the reimbursement
from the state for the BCA's violent
[1:33:41] crime officer that we put there. And
then there was a little bit of a change
[1:33:45] in the insurance premium tax from the
state.
[1:33:51] And my final slide, this is just broken
down by division, the the changes. Um,
[1:33:57] I'll point out one thing. You'll see
patrol went down minus 2%. That was
[1:34:02] really uh because of some workers
compensation numbers that mitigated the
[1:34:07] increase. So, we ended up with about
what is that $347,000
[1:34:12] decrease.
[1:34:20] Madame Mayor and members of the council,
you have any questions?
[1:34:24] » Any Yeah, DK,
>> thank you, Chief. Appreciate that level
[1:34:27] of detail, too.
>> Question on the the cost of the captain.
[1:34:31] Is that a captain's salary or is that
the net effect of promoting a sergeant
[1:34:35] and then promoting a patrolman to
sergeant and then bringing on another
[1:34:39] patrolman to kind of replace? Right.
Council member Keley, that was a
[1:34:43] captain's salary. So, it would be an
additional full-time uh position.
[1:34:47] » So, we the net ad though is promoting
from within from a sergeant to go up and
[1:34:52] then a patrol officer to a sergeant and
then a new patrol officer. The does that
[1:34:57] essentially equate to the same thing?
The cost of a new patrol officer and
[1:35:00] then those two incremental increases in
existing salaries ends up being about
[1:35:04] the same as
>> what that captain's total salary is.
[1:35:09] » Yeah. Uh, council member Keely, I think
there's different ways to look at it,
[1:35:13] but essentially the FTE we would be
adding would be the
[1:35:17] » Yeah,
>> the captains, but yes, you'd be shifting
[1:35:20] » right
>> as they moved up.
[1:35:22] » And then in addition, one more patrol
officer, and that was
[1:35:26] » just strictly boots on the ground,
another patrol officer on top of what we
[1:35:30] had added,
>> correct?
[1:35:31] » Over the last four years, I guess, or
whatever it was.
[1:35:33] » Yes.
>> Okay. And madame mayor, members of the
[1:35:36] council, just for uh clarity sake, the
organizational analysis for 2027 called
[1:35:41] for both that patrol officer position
and the police captain position. You
[1:35:46] also might recall and for the
community's benefit for for those who
[1:35:49] are watching um we've taken a new
approach now with the 2027 budget and
[1:35:55] organizational analysis getting through
kind of that that uh the the four-year
[1:36:00] plan of the original organizational
analysis where we're dealing with
[1:36:04] staffing requests based on the studies
and operational plans that we do
[1:36:07] internally. um uh and then using the
budget process to determine whether or
[1:36:12] not those identified needs would be
funded uh in the in the coming operating
[1:36:16] budgets. Kind of taking that year of a
year-over-year evaluation approach over
[1:36:21] time. So, both of those positions were
identified as staffing needs in the 2027
[1:36:27] organizational analysis. the one in the
police department that wasn't is the the
[1:36:31] question on the bringing the social
worker position right into the organ.
[1:36:37] » Can we dig into that a little deeper?
What is the hourly demand based on the
[1:36:43] history of that social worker
>> like the weekly average, monthly
[1:36:49] average,
um you know based on the [clears throat]
[1:36:54] cases that they are involved in or the
circumstances that they're involved in.
[1:36:58] Council member Keely, that's a good
question. I don't have the breakdown
[1:37:03] here. What I'm told is that we're
probably getting less than a quarter of
[1:37:08] an FTE actually going out taking calls
because of the requirements at the
[1:37:14] county level that that she's being
pulled into and and asked to do and
[1:37:19] various administrative tasks that come
from the county.
[1:37:21] » Sure. Which that was part of the thing
up front, right? It was a partnership.
[1:37:25] We're going to give you this person.
Yeah.
[1:37:27] » They weren't giving us a full-time
person. They were sharing a person with
[1:37:30] us. and
>> only when they when she's available.
[1:37:34] » Yeah. So, it makes I agree with your
suggestion that we bring the person in
[1:37:40] house, but I'm trying to get at what's
the hourly demand for that person that's
[1:37:45] driving that decision.
>> You will uh council member Keely, we
[1:37:50] will look into some of that. I do
believe they gave me some items. I just
[1:37:54] don't have it right in front of me.
Can
[1:37:58] » Can I ask a followup on what you're
asking, Dan?
[1:38:00] » Yeah.
I I I guess I'm more interested in what
[1:38:04] how often do we lose that person's
services because the county pulled them
[1:38:07] away and we actually could have used
that person is probably more important
[1:38:10] in my mind.
>> Council member Gusto and I think that's
[1:38:13] where and don't quote me on the number
but what I was told was about 25% of the
[1:38:17] time we have her here
>> and so about 75% of the time she's out
[1:38:21] doing other other tasks not
>> for the county somewhere else.
[1:38:25] » Right. Okay.
>> Well, she has a case load at the county.
[1:38:28] No, and I I get that, but I'm just
saying we're losing those services for
[1:38:31] that period of time and that we could
use that person.
[1:38:34] » Yeah, that's that's really the genesis
of why I'm asking is that 75% jump
[1:38:39] » is the whole 75%
>> uh driven by demand or is it uh twice
[1:38:47] what we have her which is that would put
make it a halftime person, right? And
[1:38:52] what does she what would we have her do
in the other half of that time if the
[1:38:56] call volume were the same going forward?
>> Yeah.
[1:38:58] » Yeah. Matt,
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council, I
[1:39:01] I think there would be work sadly there
would be work for her for the full time.
[1:39:08] Um I I mean anecdotally listening to the
radio, there's no shortage of mental
[1:39:12] health calls and
>> go ahead
[1:39:16] » madame members of the council. I think
that's the probably the most important
[1:39:19] the important point of trying to
quantify this is we we believe that to
[1:39:24] to the chief's point it's about 25% of
the individual's time uh that is that is
[1:39:30] being spent on Burnsville specific case
work uh addressing mental health needs
[1:39:36] uh and supporting the department from a
uh from a crisis and uh and community
[1:39:40] well-being uh perspective and really
when you just do the simple math from
[1:39:44] our perspective uh Although we very much
appreciate the partnership of the
[1:39:49] county, the county has funded this
program for years. Uh that's been a an
[1:39:52] important collaborative effort with the
county's request uh for the city to fund
[1:39:58] 50% of that position. Uh you start
getting to very small numbers in terms
[1:40:02] of the outcome or result that the city's
getting for that investment. And if
[1:40:06] we're going to invest 50%, we believe
that that really that the full
[1:40:11] investment in bringing that in-house,
much like the council and staff talked
[1:40:16] in our most recent off-site uh annual
retreat, uh has a exponentially more
[1:40:23] significant benefit to the mental health
needs of the community and of the
[1:40:27] department moving forward. As a matter
of fact, we probably could quantify
[1:40:32] additional need beyond that when it
comes to uh um our
[1:40:38] mental health, well-being, behavioral
health unit needs. [snorts]
[1:40:43] » Can I follow up? I just
>> So,
[1:40:47] we're getting into uh just high level at
this point, but sort of usage and
[1:40:52] demand.
>> Um
[1:40:55] I
uh agree 100%. no reason not to agree
[1:40:59] that there are mental health calls
coming in all the time. How would this
[1:41:04] person cover those calls seven days a
week as a full-time employee? Maybe
[1:41:10] that's to Greg's point. There's really
need for more than one, but um you know,
[1:41:15] mental health calls aren't 9 to5, right?
They're evenings, sometimes overnight,
[1:41:19] early mornings, weekends.
>> Would this person have that sort of
[1:41:23] flexibility in that schedule as if they
were brought on as a full-time employee?
[1:41:28] Council member Keely, that's a good
question. And with our behavioral health
[1:41:31] unit, even amongst them, they work some
some more flexible hours, but you're
[1:41:34] absolutely right. We we can't cover with
what we have 24 hours a day. Uh it does
[1:41:41] allow her to be here for follow-ups,
which is is helpful. Uh as luck would
[1:41:45] have it, the very last document I looked
had the information you're asking for.
[1:41:49] Great.
>> So, um this was from May. Uh but last
[1:41:53] year she the current social worker was
responsible for 468 of our 826 cases
[1:42:00] assigned for followup. Yeah.
>> So those would be cases the next day
[1:42:03] that she could help with uh in 2026. As
of that date, May 20th this year, it was
[1:42:09] 173 out of 357 calls to date. And then
it was uh as I thought they they're
[1:42:16] saying that we receive about 25% of the
social workers overall work time due to
[1:42:20] countywide obligations and staffing
shortages
[1:42:23] » and they're able to cover about half the
case load it sounds like which
[1:42:27] » from a quarter of the time. So
>> well I you know I I certainly am in
[1:42:32] support of [snorts] of of the concept. I
think there's a lot to be discussed as
[1:42:36] far as coverage. Uh so that when a call
comes in, they're available because
[1:42:43] that's why we would want to have the
full-time is is to always be there when
[1:42:48] that type of serious call comes in and
we would rely on her s her or his at
[1:42:53] some point maybe services uh to help the
PD.
[1:42:56] » Yes. And I think it's important to note,
madame mayor, members of the council
[1:42:59] that we still have access to the
county's crisis line. We still utilize
[1:43:05] dispatch takes in calls and triages them
and there's a lot of calls that that do
[1:43:09] get sent just off to Dakota's social
services. So there are still
[1:43:14] » Oh, there's like additional depth of
>> resour
[1:43:22] air to the Dakota County. I mean, I when
we came up with this some years ago,
[1:43:27] it's really nice for them to step up and
say because they have those specialty
[1:43:31] resources in their staff where we don't.
Um, and it's been really a great
[1:43:36] partnership to have that. It's what got
it off the ground. It's what got us to
[1:43:39] where we are today. It's probably time
for us to take it in house.
[1:43:42] » Yeah.
>> Madam Oh, go ahead. I like the fact that
[1:43:45] we're going to be well-rounded because
we have um uh a paramedic embedded as
[1:43:53] well. So, that helps with the medication
uh aspect of when we get those calls.
[1:44:00] And now we have a backup with a social
worker that can follow up on those kinds
[1:44:06] of calls as well because psychologically
it's not when you address the issue when
[1:44:13] it happens you're going to have
followup.
[1:44:17] » Correct. Madame Mayor, members of the
council and and council member Keeler,
[1:44:20] I'm glad you you mentioned that this is,
you know, this is a
[1:44:24] » simply an opportunity that has presented
itself for us to to bring a person a a
[1:44:29] position in house. Uh it is we are very
thankful for the county's partnership
[1:44:33] and this is in no way sort of u
a negative thing. It's just an
[1:44:38] opportunity that's presented itself.
>> It's basically like a federal grant gets
[1:44:42] us three years with an officer or
firefighter and then we're on our own.
[1:44:46] um they gave us that that grant to get
us the program going.
[1:44:50] » Yeah. So, I think we've grown big enough
that we can take it from here and
[1:44:54] appreciate their help
>> because I know in the behavioral health
[1:44:56] unit,
they're always following up on these
[1:45:01] cases
until they can hand it off to a
[1:45:06] psychologist or a psychiatrist for
[1:45:13] meds and and followup
counseling. Yeah.
[1:45:20] that
>> because I know they're always busy.
[1:45:25] » Yeah. So, I think it's the in the right
direction.
[1:45:30] Makes us wellrounded.
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council,
[1:45:35] thank you. Yeah,
>> Madame Mayor, members of the council, uh
[1:45:40] just for for clarity sake, um from a
policy direction, is the city council
[1:45:45] supportive or comfortable of moving
forward with the concept of including
[1:45:49] » embedded social work funding in the
city's budget? Uh or would you like
[1:45:53] additional information or additional
conversation?
[1:45:55] » Are you imperative that we have that?
Agreed. Okay.
[1:45:59] » 100%.
>> Unanimous.
[1:46:02] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[1:46:03] » Okay.
>> Yes. Madame Mayor, members of the
[1:46:05] council, thank you.
>> Okay.
[1:46:08] » All right. I'm gonna hand it over. Are
you now as we'll see?
[1:46:13] » Okay. It's Garrett.
>> Yeah, it's Garrett's turn.
[1:46:18] » That's true.
>> As we make the transition, mayor and
[1:46:21] council again, the city obviously
grateful for the county's partnership
[1:46:25] and support and uh the social work
program. And I'll make sure the county
[1:46:29] manager knows our direction and um uh
we'll keep working through the budget
[1:46:33] process. You'll hear more about this in
the operating budget presentation
[1:46:36] that'll happen in September as well.
[1:46:41] » Okay, Garrett, floor is yours.
>> Good evening, madame mayor, members of
[1:46:45] the council. Um, so the parks,
recreation, and facilities department
[1:46:51] includes recreation uh facilities
management, which is a combination of
[1:46:56] both our caring for our infrastructure,
but it also includes the daily cleaning
[1:47:00] and the room setups and different things
like that. uh the Burns Ice Center,
[1:47:05] Burnwood Golf Course, and our team
exists to provide great spaces, places,
[1:47:10] and activities for the community.
So, some of the things going on uh in
[1:47:17] 2027,
uh we have some staff reallocation,
[1:47:20] which I'll talk about later on, uh and
an overall budget reduction in the
[1:47:24] recreation budget. Um, we, you know, in
addition to the in-house work that our
[1:47:31] team does, uh, we're constantly looking
to collaborate with outside groups to
[1:47:36] help offer programming out into the
community. Um, and have a lot of, um,
[1:47:41] engagement both with our own activities
and also, you know, if there's different
[1:47:46] projects or programs going on in our
department or other departments helping
[1:47:50] with that process as well. Um we are
very close to wrapping up our recreation
[1:47:56] services review uh and we'll be looking
to implement the results of that in
[1:48:00] 2027.
Um and then uh just a normal part of our
[1:48:04] process uh we use the community feedback
to help inform our programs and facility
[1:48:11] improvements that we're doing.
[1:48:15] As we look at Burnhamwood, um continue
to see sustained growth uh in rounds and
[1:48:21] youth participation. Um the only thing
that seems to be uh looking to challenge
[1:48:27] that would be weather. Um but we've just
had some really great years of of
[1:48:32] weather uh during the summer. And so our
rounds in increasing continue to show
[1:48:36] that as well as um it's really become a
the high schools and and different youth
[1:48:42] groups uh look to Burnhamwood to to help
um run their programs and things like
[1:48:47] that. Um we continue to transition to
electric and autonomous equipment uh
[1:48:52] which has been a great help for uh the
different types of mowing and things
[1:48:56] like that going on out at the course
whether it's the uh the rough or the
[1:49:01] fairways. uh we're now able to use that
equipment uh which helps to reduce the
[1:49:05] the staff time needs for that. Um and
then uh the Burnhamwood is part of our
[1:49:11] facility assessment study that we
completed in 2024. So just uh continuing
[1:49:17] to work on the on the course uh to
implement those recommendations.
[1:49:24] over at the ice center. Uh we a couple
months ago brought on uh TJ Wheeland and
[1:49:30] uh he is our new ice center manager. Um
one of the things that uh we just
[1:49:36] started doing uh this is the second year
of doing it is the state of the ice
[1:49:40] center where we bring in all of our
legacy groups and uh talk to them about
[1:49:44] the changes coming up at the ice center
uh both within the facility but also in
[1:49:49] the rental uses and whatnot. So really
gives us a chance to understand what
[1:49:53] their needs are early on. Uh that which
helps us to understand uh what the
[1:49:58] openings are in ice time uh so that we
can uh work with uh other groups that
[1:50:04] are not part of the legacy groups to
help fill those hours as quickly as and
[1:50:08] efficiently as possible. Um, and then
one of the things TJ uh has been asked
[1:50:13] to do in his position um is obviously
come in, learn Bernzo, understand um
[1:50:20] what we're doing and what we're doing
well, but also uh start to look at
[1:50:23] potential non ice uh and just events in
on civic center property and whatnot
[1:50:29] that can help um attract additional
people to the facility and to the area.
[1:50:37] As we look at facilities, um, uh, the
police city hall phase one care, uh, we
[1:50:44] are still on time, uh, to open this
facility, uh, towards the end of
[1:50:49] September. Uh, and we are actually, uh,
going to be having someone start on
[1:50:56] August 17th that'll be working during
the day for the first time to help
[1:51:00] clean, uh, the facility and do room
setups and things like that. So that is
[1:51:05] a a new addition um starting here later
this month uh which will be extremely
[1:51:11] important as we open up that new
facility and and take care of it on a
[1:51:15] daily basis. Uh obviously the the phase
two um phasing and planning uh is a
[1:51:23] major part of this team as we look to uh
transition our police department out of
[1:51:28] their existing space into uh new
temporary spaces as we start to renovate
[1:51:35] the the police area during phase two of
the construction project. Uh our team is
[1:51:40] also now meeting about two to three
times a month uh to do the fire station
[1:51:45] 2 planning. Um there is just the general
facility care of the 58 different
[1:51:52] facilities that we have throughout the
city. Um both from an infrastructure and
[1:51:57] a a daily maintenance need. Um, and then
we have [clears throat] a city hall
[1:52:02] events manager and a facility
superintendent uh that we will be uh
[1:52:07] looking to add in 2027, which I'll talk
about when we get to the staffing spot.
[1:52:13] So,
from an achievements and challenges
[1:52:16] standpoint, um, achievement recreation
services uh is almost wrapped up. The
[1:52:22] parks wayfinding was delivered uh late
last month and uh we are on schedule and
[1:52:29] moving along well for getting the arts
commission kicked off uh for a January
[1:52:35] 1st meeting for them of 2027.
Uh cons continue to see a strong
[1:52:40] facility demand at the golf course and
ice center. Um, [snorts] we have a phase
[1:52:45] one uh all the all the work that went
into relocating uh city hall staff
[1:52:51] during phase one and to deal with just
the construction on the property uh to
[1:52:57] make sure that our services to the
community weren't impacted um was a a
[1:53:02] major accomplishment for the facilities
team to help pull that off. Um we are
[1:53:08] preparing for the phase one opening and
uh all the phase 2 staff relocations for
[1:53:14] police that we talked about uh coming
up. Um challenges and achievements as
[1:53:21] the pickle ball project as we now have a
a a place for that. Uh and we'll be
[1:53:27] doing the engagement for that. Uh I want
to say what is the later this week on
[1:53:32] the 14th at Cliff End. Um and then the
onboarding of an events manager and a
[1:53:39] facility superintendent. So um will be
uh something that we will need to look
[1:53:45] at that process in 2027.
[1:53:49] Trends and cost drivers. Uh so no
different than what you'll hear for most
[1:53:54] departments is the cost of goods and
services and and inflation um obviously
[1:53:59] is a pressure each year as we're going
through the the budget. Uh over at the
[1:54:03] Ice Center, uh for the last two years,
we've benefited quite nicely from the
[1:54:08] fact that a couple of our neighbors to
the north have had major renovations to
[1:54:12] their IC center facilities, and those
are both complete now. So, um we will
[1:54:18] most likely see a drop in revenue uh
just like we saw an increase when they
[1:54:23] were going through the process and as
they return back, uh we will most likely
[1:54:28] lose them as as our customer.
And then uh the elevated uh care
[1:54:34] standards and service needs related to
police city hall. Um whether it's just
[1:54:40] elevator contracts or uh our staff work
um on the things that they'll need to do
[1:54:46] on a daily basis, the equipment, the
materials. Um what you think about the
[1:54:51] windows and and the need to have uh
contracts related to cleaning those
[1:54:56] windows most likely a couple times a
year and things like that.
[1:55:03] So, uh, this takes us to the staffing.
Um,
[1:55:08] as I mentioned, uh, earlier, uh, we had
a recreation administrative assistant,
[1:55:14] uh, who recently retired. Um, and I'm
100% uh convinced that the most
[1:55:19] important thing that we could have done
with that position in our department was
[1:55:23] create another facility technician
position who will pretty much be
[1:55:28] responsible about 4 hours a day during
the day to help clean the facility and
[1:55:32] go through it. Um, which you'll you see
at other facilities that you go into.
[1:55:37] Um, and then they'll also be able to
help with infrastructure needs when
[1:55:40] they're not doing that process. Um, I
also know that um the initial recreation
[1:55:47] administrative assistant helped out our
rec staff quite a bit and uh they are uh
[1:55:53] without that position anymore.
Obviously, they're under more pressure
[1:55:55] than ever to do their programming and do
the things that they do, but uh
[1:55:59] nonetheless uh absolutely the right
decision to reclassify that. um the
[1:56:06] events coordinator position in 2027. Uh
what that is is we are going to be
[1:56:11] opening up uh a new community space in
February of 2028. Uh we anticipate we'll
[1:56:19] have corporate meetings in there,
weddings, uh a variety of different
[1:56:23] activities and uh this position would
help to basically manage all of those
[1:56:29] types of rentals and preparing for that
uh those types of events in the city
[1:56:35] hall spaces.
And then the uh third
[1:56:39] » because our city hall is going to be
functioning a little closer to a
[1:56:42] community center than a city hall. I I
anticipate the we will have a very wide
[1:56:50] variety of activities for people looking
to rent out those three spaces uh either
[1:56:56] separately or when they can be opened up
um and hosting, you know, over 300
[1:57:01] people in them. So, um it's it's going
to be quite different than the type of
[1:57:05] » services and activities we have here
right now.
[1:57:08] » And we're going to need somebody who can
dedicate their
[1:57:11] » uh time and expertise to that type of
activity. It's going to be very
[1:57:14] different from any other city hall
because of our engagement with the
[1:57:18] people.
>> Correct.
[1:57:20] » Is their house.
>> Mayor, mayor and council.
[1:57:23] » Oh,
>> I would
[1:57:26] uh add to council member Schultz's
comment and the mayors that when we uh
[1:57:32] when I'm in Egan, for instance, at an
event at their city hall, it's really a
[1:57:37] community center. Um, and I'm I'm glad
that we finally have a city hall
[1:57:42] facility that meets the community's
needs the way other cities around us do.
[1:57:46] Um, and you know, I feel like we're
catching up in a way because we sort of
[1:57:49] stayed in this building a little longer
than maybe we should have, but you know,
[1:57:52] without doing an update.
>> Well, Egan, when you're at their city
[1:57:55] hall, it's a city city hall because they
have a community center.
[1:57:59] » Yes. Kind of right there. Right. It's
it's where a lot of their functions
[1:58:03] happen and it's a city facility. It's
not a privately owned deal. Right.
[1:58:06] Actually, they have two.
>> That's Yes, they have two.
[1:58:09] » I just want to say to the police,
[clears throat]
[1:58:12] » apology for the second time in 10 years
displacing your entire department for a
[1:58:18] remodel. [snorts]
>> That was rough the last time. Was it 10
[1:58:23] years ago? Nine years ago,
>> 2016.
[1:58:25] » Yeah. And and now you got to do it all
over again. And I'm sure there's some
[1:58:29] like, well, we got practice. We did it
before. We can do it again.
[1:58:32] » It'll it'll be all right.
Yeah.
[1:58:36] » Okay. Garrett.
>> Then the third position up there is a
[1:58:39] facility superintendent. That would be a
new position. Um I would liken that to
[1:58:44] we have 76 parks and we have a a park
superintendent. We have all of our
[1:58:49] recreation programs. We have a
recreation superintendent. This
[1:58:52] particular position would really be
responsible for helping with the
[1:58:56] infrastructure management of uh our 58
facilities that we have. um leading
[1:59:03] projects, writing backgrounds, doing all
those things to help manage it and
[1:59:07] obviously work collaborative
collaboratively with the different
[1:59:11] departments that are in those
facilities, but really helping to
[1:59:14] coordinate all of that, manage the CIP,
all those kinds of things. So,
[1:59:18] » two different um roles from the park
superintendent to the facilities
[1:59:24] superintendent because we have a lot of
facilities
[1:59:28] » in our portfolio.
>> Yeah. So, this person is going to be uh
[1:59:33] overseeing all of the facilities,
>> correct? Yep.
[1:59:38] » And reporting to you,
>> correct?
[1:59:40] » Yeah.
>> From a capital improvement standpoint,
[1:59:45] um you know, similar to the parks
inventory and assessment, we did a
[1:59:49] facilities inventory and assessment. um
that has been uh a great help and a
[1:59:54] guide for us as we uh now understand
what our condition one and two items
[1:59:59] are. Uh we've assigned values to those
and as we work through the CIP each year
[2:00:04] uh we kind of label the different items
uh that we're considering uh into these
[2:00:10] four different categories. So, if it's a
condition one and two, um we're still
[2:00:15] going to if it's a if it's a life safety
issue, that is the single most important
[2:00:20] thing we need to make sure that's taken
care of. Um just slightly below that is
[2:00:24] the critical infrastructure piece. Um
you know, that would be things like your
[2:00:30] generators, um your transfer switches
where if they were to fail on you, um
[2:00:35] you could lose uh service to the
facility, which would not be good for
[2:00:39] anyone. Um, so, uh, then we start to
move down to a three, which would be the
[2:00:44] damage prevention infrastructure. So,
that's your building envelope protection
[2:00:48] type things where if you're not taking
care of them, um, that may lead to
[2:00:54] additional damage and cost to a
facility. So, uh, still pretty
[2:00:58] important. And then uh a four and things
that we tend to bump at times and
[2:01:01] evaluate, hey, can we get another year
or two out of this would be things like
[2:01:05] operational efficiency and uh just that
it's indicated that it is at the end of
[2:01:11] life, but um it's still in good working
order and we could get another uh
[2:01:16] additional amount of time out of it.
[2:01:21] So So
those were hidden, right? Is that it? So
[2:01:28] that wraps up my presentation. I will
stand for any questions or comments.
[2:01:34] » I asked mine earlier.
>> Thank you. Next one is Mark. Mark,
[2:01:40] you're on deck.
[2:01:43] » Actually, no, that one got snuck.
>> Oh, you you forgot to give us your
[2:01:47] » So, there are a couple more fun ones
here. So,
[2:01:50] » all right. Um
>> Yeah, you forgot your budget.
[2:01:54] » Yeah.
>> Well, that's hard. Hey, I [laughter]
[2:01:55] want to get it over to Mark. No. Um,
talked a little bit about uh the
[2:02:00] recreation uh revenues and whatnot. So,
as you look on this, not a lot of change
[2:02:07] um in AC across [clears throat] the
board. Um the ice center number that you
[2:02:12] see there is really a just a
conservative reflection of the fact that
[2:02:15] we anticipate uh we may be losing some
of the ice rentals that from the fact
[2:02:22] that our neighbors to the north are
they're back up and running completely.
[2:02:26] So uh that is what that number is for
there. Uh we do have we're projecting
[2:02:32] increases in our recreation fund and
continue at the golf course just based
[2:02:37] on trends that those continue to go
higher.
[2:02:42] Uh from an operating expense standpoint
again most of the numbers are pretty
[2:02:47] low. Uh there are two big numbers that
you'll see in there. Uh one is a
[2:02:52] negative $179,914
[2:02:56] from recreation. uh that is a result of
uh in 2026 we had the arts commission
[2:03:02] study. So there is uh that is not part
of the budget anymore because that is
[2:03:07] complete and then it is also the uh
wreck admin position is moving out of
[2:03:13] recreation uh into facilities. So that
takes us to the large number in the
[2:03:20] facilities ma maintenance position which
is moving that wreck admin position into
[2:03:25] facility maintenance. And then it is
also the addition of the facility
[2:03:30] superintendent.
[2:03:38] And
our next slide just takes a look at um
[2:03:43] general fund and the a 4% increase in
operating expenses. Again, a lot of that
[2:03:50] is just related to uh the the different
things um you know the different cost
[2:03:57] increases uh going on across the board
uh for those different facilities. So
[2:04:02] pretty nominal at 4%.
[2:04:06] And now
>> now
[2:04:10] » question.
>> Yes.
[2:04:12] » Um Garrett,
city manager Lindberg, what's the
[2:04:19] tenative plans looking out beyond the
remodel of uh police and city hall for
[2:04:24] the old youth garage space or prior
youth youth garage space? Do we have
[2:04:30] conversations with anybody looking out I
guess 28 forward possibly?
[2:04:36] » Uh I guess I have a couple thoughts. Um
uh the first is uh thank you for
[2:04:41] everyone's patience. That particular
facility has been instrumental in
[2:04:45] helping us manage the transition of the
phases as we u you know police is going
[2:04:50] to be taking over a large portion of
that as we go into phase two. Um but um
[2:04:56] our our one of the next things we'll be
doing in a few years is uh Mark is going
[2:05:01] to be helping us to better understand
what uh the maintenance facility needs
[2:05:06] and uh are with the programming there um
and the potential
[2:05:12] uh how we manage all the different
buildings that we're in and whatnot. So
[2:05:15] that may have an influence on it. Um, as
far as programming and whatnot, uh, we
[2:05:21] are are ready and open to, uh,
considering different groups coming in
[2:05:26] there, uh, once we feel comfortable that
we've done all the study that we need to
[2:05:30] do. And it wouldn't, um, it would be
okay to bring them in and then, uh, have
[2:05:35] them be able to be in there for a period
of time without saying, "Oh, guess what?
[2:05:39] Sorry. Um, this isn't going to work
right now." So,
[2:05:43] » um,
>> so, one last question. Uh, since the
[2:05:47] police department's going to move in
there, uh, have you put together the
[2:05:51] police department band to play on stage
[laughter] up here,
[2:05:55] » council member Keely, I believe it's the
vehicles are moving over there.
[2:05:59] [laughter]
>> And they pulled the sound system out.
[2:06:01] » Yeah, right.
>> I heard their name was the blazing
[2:06:05] sirens.
[2:06:11] [cough and clears throat]
[2:06:14] » Okay.
>> All right. My wife peakedked out
[2:06:15] clearly. All right. Good evening, mayor,
council members.
[2:06:19] » Here we go. The most fun budget that you
will see tonight.
[2:06:23] » Our team. Uh, so this is really what I
consider your stage crew, right? This is
[2:06:26] the crew that works behind the scenes
every day to make sure normal happens
[2:06:29] here in the city of Burnsville. Whether
it be the transportation system, safe
[2:06:32] and reliable drinking water, conveyance
of waste water, natural resources,
[2:06:37] parks, and the engineering.
One of the things that Chief Smith
[2:06:41] brought up I think is really important
to just be aware of is when you look
[2:06:44] down our fleet sewer and um park
superintendent um they oversee 13. So
[2:06:51] our park main superintendent in our
streets actually have 13 direct reports
[2:06:55] which I think is just an interesting as
you look at this structure doesn't quite
[2:06:58] do justice to um just how impressive uh
the job is and and trying to coordinate
[2:07:03] the chaos that is dayto-day here.
As I said, uh fundamentally we operate
[2:07:09] and maintain infrastructure. We're
looking at doing sustainable development
[2:07:12] enhancements. And when I say sustainable
development, that's not just like
[2:07:15] environmentally, that's financially
sustainable. And are we building with
[2:07:18] maintenance in mind? Are we thinking
about long-term cost implications of
[2:07:21] everything that we're doing? And then
really again continuing to emphasize
[2:07:25] just enhancing the culture within the
public works department. Um because at
[2:07:30] the end of the day, our people are who
take care of the community. So what are
[2:07:32] we doing for them to best serve the
community?
[2:07:38] As we look at the the group again, we're
making normal happen here in the city.
[2:07:42] As in putting together this budget, we
prioritized really those current
[2:07:46] services and maintenance of what we
have. You're going to see a lot of
[2:07:48] investments in technology and
infrastructure. And the important thing
[2:07:51] is especially as we talk about the water
treatment plant is those um projects
[2:07:56] have to be sequenced in order to be
done. And so just a ton of thought went
[2:08:00] into what is the order to be smart in
how we're making the investments to not
[2:08:04] undo anything that was previously in the
way but also deliver the critical
[2:08:09] services that we have to do that. Uh
that said our approach will continue to
[2:08:13] mature as we continue to leverage data.
So a lot of the capital studies you've
[2:08:16] seen we've operationalized that data.
We're using that to gather more data.
[2:08:21] And so as staff gets better at at
leveraging the information we're
[2:08:24] gathering, that'll just continue to
inform uh future actions.
[2:08:30] As we talk about our achievement and
challenges, um we have completed a lot
[2:08:35] of capital studies which have been
timeconuming. We are leveraging
[2:08:39] technology to gather more useful
information as I touched on. We are
[2:08:42] expanding the use of electronic
processes both internal and customerf
[2:08:46] facing for external. Our team, I think,
is definitely starting to hit their
[2:08:50] momentum. Um, going through the
different budget softwares over the last
[2:08:54] few years. Jeff next to me is the deputy
is basically our budget guru and who
[2:08:59] knows this pretty much forwards,
backwards, and inside out. Um, we made
[2:09:04] significant gains with just improving
the services to the public, but we also
[2:09:08] acknowledge the fact the public wants
more and there's a cost for that and
[2:09:12] trying to strike that balance um will be
a never- ending challenge. Then
[2:09:16] obviously as you well know when it comes
to infrastructure the cheapest thing we
[2:09:19] can do is talk about it. When we
actually start doing it it's expensive
[2:09:22] and those costs are rising. So again I
touched on we have inflation uh tariffs
[2:09:27] have hit us on some of some of the
products we use. Obviously just the
[2:09:31] normal costs are increasing separate
from inflation of just more stuff's
[2:09:35] breaking as it gets older. Uh that's our
team is definitely engaged and they have
[2:09:40] some really good ideas and some of those
ideas do come with a cost.
[2:09:43] So, as we look at that team as a whole,
we have 76 full-time staff authorized.
[2:09:48] We currently have 74 slots filled. I
want to do note we have three trainee
[2:09:52] positions that are year round. Those are
full. And then also of interest, we
[2:09:56] actually at our peak have 65 seasonal
staff that work for us at the peak of
[2:10:01] the summer,
>> which is basically an 82% increase in
[2:10:04] the staffing during that peak time in
the in the middle of summer. And so, um,
[2:10:10] just again, kind of out of sight, out of
mind, but we have a lot of people out
[2:10:13] there every day serving the community.
>> Yeah, I see them.
[2:10:17] » Yeah,
that's good. Uh, here's just a summary
[2:10:20] of all the capital plans and studies
that have been completed uh over the
[2:10:24] last two two and a half years.
So, now we're going to jump into the
[2:10:29] budget numbers. Um, budget guru Jeff
will definitely answer any detailed
[2:10:35] questions you have. I don't know how
much you may go through this line by
[2:10:38] line or field any questions. I can kind
of just go through it quick and if you
[2:10:43] have more questions, let me know. So,
increase to contracted landscaping. We
[2:10:46] have a number of areas that are
maintained in the city. Those costs are
[2:10:49] going up. So, this is informed by
literally quotes we've gotten from our
[2:10:52] vendors. Salt material costs are going
up because they have to get shipped in.
[2:10:57] Um, irrigation systems, rebuilds and
replacement, basically they have a shelf
[2:11:02] life. They're breaking.
uh the temporary and seasonal wages that
[2:11:06] increase is to match our pay structure.
So it's not a proposed increase in pay.
[2:11:12] It's just making sure the alignment of
budget and the expenses.
[2:11:17] The contracted services actually just a
range of things in support of normal
[2:11:20] park operations. The additional three
traffic signal painting is following
[2:11:24] onto the traffic signal study. Um just
trying to get caught up on some of the
[2:11:30] uh signals that are looking a little
painful out there. And then the bottom
[2:11:33] one's a pavement management service.
Basically, this is a a pavement software
[2:11:36] that would help us dynamically plan and
budget for road construction. So, right
[2:11:42] now it's it's a time consuming process.
This would very much streamline the way
[2:11:47] we gather data, process data, and run
different modeling scenarios. It also
[2:11:52] includes actually rating of the pavement
on a regular basis. So, it would there
[2:11:55] would be an offset in costs.
Mark, you know, I see a lot of seasonal
[2:12:01] workers and you said there's 65.
>> That's correct.
[2:12:05] » And you only have 40,000
[2:12:09] budgeted for them.
>> Um, so, mayor, this question, this line
[2:12:14] is just to address the delta between the
cost that we have and making sure it's
[2:12:18] in alignment with what we've budgeted
for expense.
[2:12:20] » Okay. It's not your
>> it's not the full thing. It's just we've
[2:12:22] looked at the historical trends. We just
want to make sure that they okay
[2:12:25] reflecting actions
>> because I was thinking
[2:12:29] 65
>> employees 40,000
[2:12:34] » didn't make the math work just the
increase mayor. Yeah, because I can look
[2:12:38] at uh at Mike and say, "How much do we
pay our seasonal workers?" And he'll
[2:12:43] say, "X." But
>> think I got
[2:12:48] » any questions on this one,
>> DK?
[2:12:51] » Um, [snorts] do we have a budget for
replacing street signs where the sun has
[2:12:56] faded them out where they're hard to
read? No,
[2:12:59] » that would just be covered under the
general street budget line item
[2:13:02] » for just the one-offs.
>> Gotcha.
[2:13:04] » Mark, can you actually It's a great
story. we have a a member of the public
[2:13:09] works team who is uniquely signed
assigned to street signs. Uh maybe talk
[2:13:14] a little bit about that and and if there
are specific requests from the community
[2:13:18] u certainly we're all ears to take those
and address those issues if we miss
[2:13:22] something.
>> Sometimes I you just drive around you
[2:13:25] see there's like I remember there's one
that's it's almost unreadable now it's
[2:13:29] bleached out so bad and I just thought I
wonder how long that sign's been facing
[2:13:33] south like maybe 30 years or 40 years.
Yeah, councelor McKil. It very much
[2:13:37] depends on the direction, right? North
facing signs will last longer. Uh we do
[2:13:41] have a staff member who generally is
assigned to to sign maintenance work. So
[2:13:44] I would say just let us know where it
is. Uh caveat on that is we only
[2:13:48] responsible for signs in the city right
away. So if it's a stop sign facing
[2:13:52] public property, that would be that
property owner's responsibility to
[2:13:55] maintain.
>> So
[2:13:57] » the street not the street sign like
>> name
[2:14:01] grocery store.
>> Yeah. Yeah, under state statute, if
[2:14:04] you're entering a road from a driveway,
you have to yield the rightway. So, the
[2:14:08] stop sign's additional. So, it' be the
private business's responsibility.
[2:14:11] » Yeah, I think there's some of those
outside of Cup Foods.
[2:14:16] [clears throat]
>> Any other questions on this slide? It's
[2:14:18] going to be hard to go back. So, okay.
Um, actually Jeff, you're the resident
[2:14:24] expert with this whole tab. So,
uh, water supply plan implementation.
[2:14:31] that's a onetime expense
uh to get that into the comprehensive
[2:14:38] plan um being included in the
comprehensive plan.
[2:14:43] And then we have a
[2:14:49] water treatment plant condition
assessment. We're going to change change
[2:14:53] out our water meters. Um we're going to
go from mechanical water meters to
[2:14:58] digital water meters. Uh that has a
small uh cost increase for us. Um
[2:15:06] quarry sampling on the to one one time
expense. Um it's used for water quality
[2:15:11] in the quarry. Um water treatment
chemicals are going up significantly.
[2:15:18] um
as we're looking to hopefully
[2:15:24] uh being able to feed another water
treatment chemical for radium reduction
[2:15:28] in the next year. Um
and then uh
[2:15:36] yeah just uh technology for the water
treatment plant. Um,
[2:15:42] there's still some
[2:15:46] manual processes in there where they go
and do rounds, take notes, and then go
[2:15:52] back and enter the notes. Um, this would
be a technology solution to to uh get
[2:15:59] rid of that process. Another great
example of an idea coming from staff of
[2:16:02] hey instead of writing these number down
on post-it notes and giving it to this
[2:16:05] other person to go enter it in. Can we
just take a tablet enter the number the
[2:16:09] first time then it's in the system and
we don't need the multiple chances. I
[2:16:12] think went back to the meter change.
Another important thing too and Jeff
[2:16:15] when I say this wrong feel free to
correct me is right now it's a
[2:16:17] mechanical read that'll wear out that
wears out and so the new meters are a
[2:16:21] little bit different than that with how
they measure the flow. So we're hoping
[2:16:24] to get not only quieter but also a
longer life.
[2:16:29] And Mark that's city meters
>> uh in every property. Yes. City owned
[2:16:35] meter in each property.
[2:16:39] » Uh for the Corey sampling on that is how
that information is used to inform how
[2:16:44] we treat the water coming from the
surface intake. So that's kind of the
[2:16:48] link there to to the water people see in
the homes.
[2:16:53] Any question on the water stuff?
Otherwise we have the sewer. All right.
[2:16:57] So sewer. This is just more televising.
Right back to you.
[2:17:00] » Yep. Just uh this is just a really it's
actually a shift from we break up the
[2:17:06] city into nine sections. So we get
televising on
[2:17:13] all the city once every nine years. Um
um so that's just a shift to put that in
[2:17:19] place. Um and then Washborne Avenue
Railroad
[2:17:24] crossing. we're the railroad showed up
this year and said, "Hey, this railroad
[2:17:29] is not doing good. We need you to
replace the crossing. Here's your cost."
[2:17:32] And I said, "Well, that's not quite how
that's going to work. We're going to
[2:17:35] need to budget it in the future." And
so, we were able to convince them to
[2:17:38] push it off a year. So, basically, the
city has to pay everything related to
[2:17:42] the road crossing of the railroad track.
How is it that they can come to us and
[2:17:47] say, "Hey, this is what it costs." When
we try to get them to make changes
[2:17:52] » because they have a sign in their office
that says, "First there was God and then
[2:17:55] there was the railroad." [laughter]
[2:17:59] » I've heard that's true. I don't know if
it actually is, but
[2:18:00] » I think that is true.
>> That's the way to think about it. So,
[2:18:03] » I tell [clears throat] you, we have
tried for years and they just ignore us
[2:18:09] and they don't care.
But then they want they they say the
[2:18:14] their railroad crossing isn't
>> working and it needs repair and they're
[2:18:19] saying we're going to pay $325,000.
[2:18:24] » Their argument is we're the ones that
need the road, not them.
[2:18:27] » Yeah. They passed the law in the 1800s
and it's been that way ever since.
[2:18:33] » I know. I get frustrated with it, but
>> you are.
[2:18:36] » It is what it is.
>> Among friends, mayor. Um, any other
[2:18:39] questions on this slide?
>> No.
[2:18:40] » Okay. Uh from a revenue standpoint, I'm
going to lead off with some really good
[2:18:45] news. Uh while we were sitting here
crunching numbers, we realized we missed
[2:18:50] some revenue in the engineering line. So
that number will not be negative
[2:18:53] anymore.
>> Yay.
[2:18:55] » It'll [laughter] be positive. Adam's
already made that change.
[2:18:59] » Oh, yay. Adam sitting there doing that
work.
[2:19:03] » Other than that, you can see I mean it's
pretty consistent with where things are
[2:19:08] at
um through there. the infrastructure
[2:19:11] total that's a direct connection on what
we do for um state state aid eligible
[2:19:16] projects links back to what the revenue
is we get from the state. So if we do
[2:19:21] fewer state aid projects then there's a
less draw from our state aid account. So
[2:19:26] [snorts]
[2:19:29] » okay
>> operating expenses uh I'm just going to
[2:19:32] draw your attention to the bottom which
is a 2% increase. Um,
[2:19:38] like I said, we focus on maintaining
what we have and really trying not to to
[2:19:43] change services. So, that's really what
you see reflected here in the overall
[2:19:46] account.
>> There's that street maintenance account.
[2:19:50] » Uh, that's actually back here
>> different from ITF.
[2:19:54] » Correct. So, that's this one with a 4%
increase.
[2:20:01] [clears throat]
>> Oh, nope. That was revenues.
[2:20:05] All right.
[2:20:09] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:20:11] » Yeah.
>> Nice work, Mark.
[2:20:13] » And um
>> is the sewer talibizing channel on
[2:20:17] Comcast or is that something that we can
>> Is that like the Eagle
[2:20:22] » Cam license for the the dirty
>> sanitary sewer cam?
[2:20:26] » No, but actually in all seriousness,
>> I don't know. Speaking of um [laughter]
[2:20:33] speaking of um
>> heard of sanator televising, but
[2:20:38] [laughter]
who are we televising it to?
[2:20:41] » We have partnered with this program
called sewer AI where we upload all of
[2:20:45] our data in all of our video into the
system and that helps do the condition
[2:20:49] rating of it. It also allows our access
later. So if we have a question about a
[2:20:53] location on a pipe, we can go into the
program, go back and actually pull the
[2:20:56] video of that location. Um whether it be
a question about a connection or an
[2:21:01] issue. If there's a sewer backup, for
example, we can go back and look at the
[2:21:05] history of that section of the
>> It's a recording, right? Finish that.
[2:21:09] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[2:21:13] » You need to finish on a humorous note,
don't you?
[2:21:17] » Okay.
>> And um Jeff is not here for
[2:21:22] » for community development. And so is
there anything else? Um, city manager
[2:21:30] member,
>> I don't believe so, madame mayor. We
[2:21:32] will uh have the community development
department present in September with the
[2:21:36] rest of the departments.
>> Okay. If there's nothing else to come
[2:21:40] before the body this evening, we stand
adjourned. Yay. Fortnite.