1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:09,440 Good evening, everyone. It is now 5:30 and I will call this 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,680 regular work session of the Burnsville City Council to order. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:19,080 Um all council members are present and the 4 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:22,360 members of the public are always welcome to attend in person 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:28,960 or the public can also watch us uh on 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 burnsvillemn.gov/meetings 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,120 or Comcast channel 16 or 859. The public can also participate 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:43,320 through Zoom by joining us at zoom.us/join. 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:48,000 More information is available on our meetings webpage and in the 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:52,400 council agenda packet. So, this is a work session and we go 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:57,720 directly to the items on the agenda and the first item on the agenda this 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:01,800 evening is the city-owned property study and our deputy community development 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:08,040 director uh is presenting, Travis Bersetdo. 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Travis, the floor is yours. >> Thanks, Mark. 15 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,680 Uh thank you, Madam Mayor, council members. 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Um the item before you is another in the a series of capital improvement uh plans 17 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:25,640 and studies that the city has been engaged in uh over the past couple of 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:31,080 years. Uh specifically, this study is a comprehensive review and assessment of 19 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:35,960 all of the city-owned uh properties located uh 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:41,160 or owned by the city uh or the economic development uh authority. Thanks, Mark. 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:45,280 It's worth mentioning before I get into it, um this study was led by community 22 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:53,440 development, but it wasn't completed in a vacuum. Um staff from uh the clerk's 23 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:57,880 office, IT, parks, and uh public works, and the city attorney helped us with uh 24 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:02,600 this analysis. Um so, the initial purpose of the study 25 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:08,479 was to evaluate all of the city and EDA owned parcels uh in terms of where are 26 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:12,640 they all located, how big are they, how are they being maintained, what's the 27 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:17,320 zoning status of all of those parcels, and uh of particular interest to our 28 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,880 department, are there any opportunities for us to market and sell some of those 29 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:26,800 properties to support housing or economic development goals of uh the 30 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,800 city and the council. 31 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:34,320 So, breaking it down uh by the numbers, um 32 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,600 uh city services, which are lands that uh 33 00:02:34,581 --> 00:02:40,280 » [clears throat] >> contain parks, trails, 34 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:46,400 um city facilities, or other open space was our largest category. Uh 51% of all 35 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:51,800 of the city-owned parcels uh have that type of city service on them. Uh the 36 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:56,760 next biggest portion were the uh parcels that contain utilities. Uh 23% of the 37 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,880 424 uh parcels that the city owns uh have 38 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:05,239 significant utilities running through them. 39 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:09,959 Uh 56 of the parcels, which is 13% of the total, are vacant and don't clearly 40 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:16,280 have uh uh a city use uh occurring currently on 41 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:21,720 them. And then another 13% are uh right-of-way uh properties used to 42 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,120 support city right-of-ways, particularly for transportation needs. 43 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,720 Couple of interesting notes as we were looking through these parcels, five of 44 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:36,480 the properties are currently owned by the EDA. Um we believe those uh 45 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:40,560 properties were uh acquired by the EDA for assembly 46 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,920 purposes in creating the heart of the city uh neighborhood, but they're still 47 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:49,600 currently owned by the EDA. And then we also have much to our 48 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:53,120 surprise, we found two properties owned by the city that are not located within 49 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,960 uh the city of Burnsville. They're actually located within the city of 50 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Eagan and I did add a slide here that shows we have about 10 acres total 51 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:08,400 of properties that are located in Eagan, which are primarily wetlands, um 52 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,320 stormwater ponds. Um these are not creating any sort of 53 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,840 problems. We don't have any complaints. We're not doing any maintenance on them, 54 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:22,920 but much to our surprise, we do own these two uh small parcels that are 55 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,920 located within uh Eagan. 56 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:32,880 We did conduct a um maintenance analysis of all of the parcels. 57 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:37,720 Uh 57 58% of them are currently receiving regular maintenance by public 58 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:41,880 works, regular monthly or bi-weekly mowing. Um and these are sites that are 59 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,520 um integral to city a city function like a 60 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:52,240 park or a major city facility. There's another 61 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:56,919 subset, another 10% receive minor maintenance. These are parcels that are 62 00:04:54,840 --> 00:05:04,360 uh vacant or might be trails where just a buffer strip is mowed regularly um 63 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:09,120 uh along that particular parcel. There's There's another subset, just 64 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:12,880 another 1 and 1/2% that receive annual mowing. These are parcels that have 65 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,720 significant utilities running through them, primarily down in the river valley 66 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:21,400 and those um the vegetation is cut back to prevent 67 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,000 any interruptions to um or any damage to those um 68 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:30,080 uh utilities that are running underground. And then the other big 69 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,760 portion is 30% are not receiving any maintenance at all 70 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:39,000 except for when we receive a complaint. If there's a tree that falls down and 71 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:42,600 it's impeding on a uh adjacent sidewalk or something like that, 72 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,880 uh public works will go out and uh address any complaints. 73 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,440 We also looked at the property tax status of all 425 parcels and the good 74 00:05:51,400 --> 00:06:00,520 news is 99.7 I think percent of those parcels are tax 75 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:05,680 exempt. We do have two parcels that are um currently leased to private entities 76 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:09,840 and in those cases the private lessees are paying those property tax 77 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,360 any property tax payments. The two properties are there's one little 78 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:18,480 splinter parcel that has a telecommunications building on it um 79 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:23,160 and that company pays for any uh taxes due on that parcel and then there's a a 80 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:28,800 more significant parcel that is located just south of Ali Magnet um 81 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:33,640 that the city owns that has a small uh group home on it and in that case the 82 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:39,360 company that leases that parcel pays those property tax payments 83 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,360 and any special assessments. 84 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:47,760 We did also look at uh zoning classifications of all of the city and 85 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:55,320 EDA A-owned parcels and unfortunately we learned that 46% of them um are um 86 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:59,919 uh the zoning is misaligned with the current use. 87 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:05,040 So for example, we have stormwater ponds that are zoned uh residential. We have 88 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:09,480 some city facilities that are are zoned multi-family. We have other city 89 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:14,040 facilities that are zoned uh parks properties and it's a best practice for 90 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:19,200 and I don't need to tell you this, but it's a best practice for uh the zoning 91 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:23,880 to reflect the actual use uh of those of those properties. However, fortunately 92 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:29,919 we're stepping into the 2050 comp plan update season and this would be an ideal 93 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,600 time for us to address those um challenges. 94 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:39,680 We did also look at um all of these parcels to identify if any 95 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:45,600 of them were available or readily available for uh potential development. 96 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:49,040 And in terms of how we decided this list is 97 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:53,360 this analysis is somewhat subjective, but we we looked at each one of these 98 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,560 parcels and and identified are they currently being used to support any city 99 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:01,200 service. How big are they? What are the lot 100 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:07,680 dimensions? Are they developable based on their shape? Um what is the access? 101 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:12,520 Is it Is there easy access to um get on to one of these sites and develop it? 102 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,560 Are the slopes um uh 103 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,480 manageable in terms of uh getting construction equipment out there and 104 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,880 developing it? Are there any major utilities? Are there any wetlands? And 105 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:27,240 then we also in a very subjective manner looked at each parcel and said, 106 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:31,080 "What would be the neighborhood friction if we were to develop any of these 107 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:36,680 parcels?" So again, that's a very subjective analysis and from that we 108 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:41,000 identified 22 that we thought uh have the potential of of being developed. I 109 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:46,280 also want to point out that we did not consider any parcels that are identified 110 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:50,280 as natural areas within the parks plan. So, we immediately carved those out when 111 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,800 we looked at our or we conducted our initial analysis. But the good news is 112 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:59,040 there's 22 that have potential in our opinion. 113 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:03,320 And then we also identified 19 splinter parcels that are currently vacant and 114 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,480 also undevelopable. Um the challenge there is our current 115 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:12,800 policy doesn't allow us to readily transfer ownership of those parcels to 116 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:17,320 an adjacent property owner. Um and the fact of the matter is the the cost the 117 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:21,040 administrative cost and workload associated with transferring ownership 118 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,839 probably outweighs the value of the parcel itself. So, we might be looking 119 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,600 for some future direction from council on how we might want to treat those. 120 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:36,640 So, from that we have six um kind of recommendations and next steps. 121 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:40,920 Uh the first is um we need to share this information with uh public works, 122 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:44,320 especially with regards to the uh maintenance occurring on vacant 123 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,640 parcels. There's very little of that, but we [snorts] want to make sure that 124 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,160 uh uh public works is aware of those 125 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:55,600 parcels. But then the second, and perhaps the most interesting piece for 126 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:59,360 for our department, is uh how do we want to deal with those 22 potentially 127 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:05,000 developable properties? And our recommendation is that we come back to 128 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,200 you in 2027 with a prioritized list of properties that we would recommend uh 129 00:10:07,191 --> 00:10:12,560 » [clears throat] >> developing. This also would require us 130 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:16,200 to do some uh due diligence on the title side of things and ensure that there's 131 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:20,840 no encumbrances in place that would prevent us from developing those, but we 132 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:27,320 would recommend coming back in 2020 uh 2027 with that uh updated list. 133 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,720 We also noticed a number of encroachments as we were conducting this 134 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:38,280 um exercise, where folks are building sheds or fireplaces or patios 135 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:42,040 um on city property, and um we need to take a closer look at our current 136 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:47,080 ordinances and policies, and and if they're not um 137 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:51,560 satisfactory, perhaps recommend um a policy change to address any 138 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:55,880 encroachments. Should we get a complaint around any one of these um situations? 139 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,760 Fortunately, that's not something that neighborhood services deals with a lot, 140 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:05,360 but if it were to happen, it'd be great to have an updated policy to address 141 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,360 situations like that. 142 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,600 Our fourth recommendation is to address the um 143 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,120 um zoning situation on city-owned 144 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,920 properties. And like I mentioned earlier, now is a perfect time for us to 145 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,680 do [snorts] that as we kind of step into updating our zoning code as part of the 146 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,640 comprehensive plan. So, we're anticipating that would happen in 2029, 147 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:30,880 2030 in alignment with our comp plan update. 148 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Uh the fifth recommendation is to um explore 149 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,960 uh updating our land sale policy to address splinter parcels and see work 150 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,800 with our city attorney's office to see if there's a 151 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:46,040 economical way and easy way for us to transfer ownership of those parcels 152 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:49,680 perhaps to adjacent property owners that would be interested 153 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:55,440 in owning them. And then the last recommendation is to 154 00:11:52,600 --> 00:12:01,520 consider transferring ownership of those five EDA owned properties to 155 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:05,880 the city in in future years. And with that I can take any 156 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:11,600 questions or comments. >> Okay. Questions for um 157 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:15,720 Travis. Okay, Dan. G. >> What would be the purpose of 158 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,040 transferring EDA property to the city being that 159 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,960 if at sometime the EDA property were to sell the money would go back to the EDA 160 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,720 who originally bought it as opposed to go back into just the general fund for 161 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,520 the city. >> Madam Mayor, Council member, the initial 162 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,720 discussion that we had was just to simplify especially for property 163 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:39,240 insurance purposes that if we just consolidate these under the city owned 164 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,760 category versus EDA that would be one piece of it is that we could just 165 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,280 streamline our ownership portfolio. But in terms of 166 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,520 transferring back and forth that's not something that we've explored. 167 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:52,000 » Yeah. And the properties that he's talking about are all in the heart of 168 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,400 the city. >> I know what they are but there's in the 169 00:12:53,560 --> 00:13:00,080 future someday some of those properties might not be some property we're going 170 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,640 to have anymore and if we sell it >> and the 171 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,400 in center >> it is. 172 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,640 » Yeah. So and the and the parking deck. So those are the those are the 173 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,640 properties >> out for the interest of the EDA. 174 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:17,520 » Yeah. But you know, the EDA and the city are the same thing but 175 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:22,640 what Travis is saying what staff is saying is that it is 176 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:28,240 uh insurance purposes and making sure that everything is within one bucket. 177 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,720 Any other questions for Travis? Yes, Vince. 178 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:35,120 » Thank you. Um are any of these properties 179 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:38,720 potential for us to do something with like potential new park or something 180 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,920 where we could get creative in house instead of 181 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,960 selling? >> Madam Mayor, Council Member Yes. 182 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,360 » I don't see why not. They're city owned at this point. That would be a decision 183 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,960 that um the council would need to make, but 184 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:57,520 yes, I think they could be used for a city service that's not currently 185 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,680 contemplated on those properties. >> They're not like tucked into I mean, we 186 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:05,600 don't have to review every single one of them, but there's some that would be in 187 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,240 viable locations that we could get creative with. They're not 188 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,840 » Yes. >> all tucked into industrial zones or 189 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,160 things like that. >> Yes. 190 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,960 Yes. Madam Mayor, Council Member 191 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:21,520 A lot of them are Frankly, I don't know why there's not something a little bit 192 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:25,840 more useful on those on those parcels. Many of them are tucked away. There's 193 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:30,480 you know, sandwiched in between a couple of privately owned parcels, but there's 194 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:34,520 a few out there that um potentially could be you could do 195 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:37,480 something interesting with them or if a park or something that the council 196 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:41,440 wanted to explore, that's possible. >> We don't get to do a lot of new stuff 197 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:46,760 like that um just given that we're built out. Um so it might be worth at least 198 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:51,520 considering if it's >> Well, one of the things that I've looked 199 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:56,600 at because I've walked all those properties. 200 00:14:53,400 --> 00:15:02,040 And we have the opportunity here in some of those properties ex- 201 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:07,440 especially the 9 acres down in southwest Burnsville. 202 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:14,640 Where we need single family development and it'll help to grow our tax base. 203 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:22,440 And so there are other properties that I would say that staff coming back to us 204 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:25,800 um next year after you evaluate and really identify what 205 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:32,120 uh the best use. And I would say 206 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,600 grow the tax base. One of the things we are in need of here in the city of 207 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Burnsville is single-family housing. We have no 208 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:44,040 single-family housing uh land left. 209 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:48,960 None. And so we have the opportunity here to 210 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:54,600 grow the tax base and to have some single-family housing. 211 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:59,280 And uh those 22 potentially developed developable parcels, I would like to see 212 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,120 some evaluation and investigation of all of 213 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,880 those and to see if it is something that we 214 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,840 can do 215 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,480 um because it is 216 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,960 something we need. >> Madam Mayor, just a 217 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:22,040 clarifying question. We did carve out any parcels that were identified as 218 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,200 natural space within the parks plan. >> Yeah. 219 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,000 » The parcel that you're speaking of is identified as a natural space in the 220 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,280 parks plan, so >> Yeah. 221 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:35,640 » It'd be good to have direction on that. >> But it's 222 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:39,640 natural space. I have walked that. It's just 223 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:43,280 it can be re- 224 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:49,400 um zoned to housing. 225 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:54,160 9 acres is huge that we can add more 226 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:59,040 single-family housing. Now we have to talk with the 227 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,120 neighbors around that because usually when somebody something sits 228 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,680 there for a long time, then it's taken for granted that it's going to be that 229 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,439 way, but but we have a need for single-family 230 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:12,839 housing. Any other comments, thoughts? 231 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:18,640 » Yeah, Travis, I'd still think it'd be worth investigating if there is room to 232 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:23,240 do something like a park. We had talked in our one-on-one about like 233 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:26,920 you know the bike [snorts] parks at various communities if if there's a 234 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,800 way to embrace those areas if they are in fact 235 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:33,760 going to have to stay natural areas it'd be worth at least knowing that 236 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,400 information. >> Sure. 237 00:17:34,562 --> 00:17:38,600 » [snorts] >> Council member remembers the council 238 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:43,760 both the council member Gattis's question and the council member 239 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,760 Workman's question or comment. 240 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Six items as Travis went through in terms of next steps coming from this 241 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,600 study really our intention with all of our capital studies is to understand 242 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:58,120 what we have what condition it is in and what we ought to do about it. 243 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:02,920 In this particular case we plan six conversations that will both 244 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:07,880 address how we we might consider use of some of 245 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:11,880 the those more usable parcels as the council has discussed tonight 246 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:15,440 and then also later on down the priority list would be 247 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,800 a discussion of city-owned or EDA-owned versus 248 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:24,640 city-owned parcels and at those particular times 249 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:29,760 we're going to plan out these conversations of what is the council's 250 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:34,680 desired use or plans for for the property and then also questions get get 251 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:39,520 more into the details of questions on city versus EDA ownership. 252 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:42,880 » Yeah and and I like all of the six recommendations that you have here 253 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:47,640 because that will give us more information as we look into it 254 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:53,840 because if we're going to look at parks we have 76 parks now and I know we have 255 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:58,440 three categories of how we fund those. On the replacement and Jenny 256 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,600 the other is that you know how much money do we have if 257 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:07,240 we're going to build new parks and how much is in that 258 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:11,200 fund but you guys are going to do that but that's going to come back 259 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:17,640 when you're going to evaluate all of those properties because 260 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:24,280 we have so much money in replacement cost and in 261 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,680 uh enhancement What do you call it, Jenny, when we're building new new 262 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:32,000 parks? And I know that fund isn't big. 263 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,640 » Oh, the parks investment fund. >> Correct. 264 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:37,520 » [clears throat] >> Yeah. Okay. 265 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:41,920 So, members of the council are you in agreement with the six 266 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:46,200 recommendations that staff is um 267 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:50,640 presenting to us this evening and they're going to come back to us 268 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,880 with more information on each of these items 269 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,880 in 27. 270 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:02,600 » Yes, Mr. President. >> All right. Thank you so much and you 271 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:05,640 know that was very good work. Excellent. Thank you. 272 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,000 Really appreciate it. >> Thank you, Mayor. 273 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:14,160 » Okay, now we're moving on to sidewalk and trails. And 274 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,680 and our public works director, Mark Brey, is going to be presenting. 275 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,000 » Good evening. Excuse me, Mayor and council members. 276 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:24,040 Uh as with all of our studies, uh this one looked at kind of a comprehensive 277 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:27,160 analysis of the conditions, operations, maintenance, and system connectivity. 278 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,720 Again, what we have, what's the condition it's in, and what do we need 279 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:33,720 to do to maintain it going forward. Taking a large kind of step back, 280 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:38,000 looking at the city, we have 78 miles of sidewalk in the city with a value of 281 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:42,800 just over 70 million dollars. 12 miles of trails, generally those are 282 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:46,640 asphalt trails, just over 7 million. And then just for the community's reference, 283 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:51,440 little over 21 miles of sidewalk in Dakota County right away, little over 18 284 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,840 miles of trails in Dakota right right away or just 285 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:59,000 Dakota County trails. I do want to note that we do plow both the county sidewalk 286 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,840 and trails. Looking at funding for existing sidewalk 287 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,600 and trail system, preventive maintenance, kind of those day in day 288 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,600 out routine things, is a planned expense. It's is through the operating 289 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,600 budgets. Snow removal is funded through a bill on 290 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,640 the utility bills. And then we do work with our partners, 291 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,760 um, generally Dakota County, and then use 292 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:23,480 state aid to fund, um, some trails that we have in the city. Uh, otherwise, 293 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:28,040 grants are another big option, too. So, Greenwood sidewalk, for example, was a 294 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:31,880 grant. We got a regional solicitation. We got another grant for the trail on 295 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Williams Drive, for that corridor, for example. 296 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,080 The condition rating that you see is the same as what we use for our pavement 297 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:43,840 manager plan. That was very intentional. This will be a consistent methodology 298 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:48,040 that you all are familiar with. Uh, as we look at the system as a whole, 299 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,560 the vast majority of our system is in a good to fair condition. 300 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,920 Uh, we do have a little bit of poor and critical needs 301 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,360 in the system, but as a portion of the large system, it is a a pretty small 302 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,360 percentage there. 303 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,080 This, for example, is a a shot of one of the sidewalk panels. One of the 304 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:09,360 challenging, not challenging, one of the deals with sidewalks is you can replace 305 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,640 one or two panels and address the worst part of it, and the rest of it might be 306 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:17,280 fine. So, while we scored sections of sidewalk 307 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:21,000 based on the worst panels, it's not like you need to replace the whole thing to 308 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,400 address the critical need. And so, that's why you see the value or 309 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,200 the condition of the sidewalks is in that fair condition, 310 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,280 but it's pretty easy to address the the panels through normal operations and 311 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,680 maintenance. This is a shot of, um, 312 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:39,080 the paver section in the heart of the city, right behind right off Pillsbury, 313 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:43,320 behind the Ames Center. As you can see, pavers are sliding off. There's a lot of 314 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:48,880 undulation there. And so, this actually is a scheduled replacement to be 315 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:53,280 replaced with concrete. Overall, our sidewalk conditions have a 316 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:56,920 score of 61. Again, that is lower than the trail condition score of 81, 317 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,240 but through fairly routine things, we can 318 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,320 address the problems with our sidewalk and and that life will extend much 319 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,600 longer than the normal kind of deterioration that you see with asphalt 320 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:12,760 trails. We do rate all of our asphalt trails 321 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:16,480 consistent to our streets every 3 years. Our concrete sidewalks do not 322 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,360 deteriorate the same way as asphalt and our snow removal operations clearly 323 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:25,080 identify issues in the sidewalk. So, for example, um trip hazards, so anything 324 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,520 roughly half inch or more, as we're clearing them, our drivers will come 325 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,760 into adverse contact uh with those trip edges and then we'll either, you know, 326 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:37,680 replace the panel or grind the trip edge down to address that need. So, 327 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,480 the sidewalk system is made because we're plowing it, we're very uh familiar 328 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,840 with where the problems are and we get them addressed. Fundamentally, the goal 329 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:48,760 is to maintain an off-street trail and sidewalk network that is accessible for 330 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,000 all users. Looking at the different management 331 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:56,080 methods we use, we're on the right half of the screen, so rehabilitation and 332 00:23:53,880 --> 00:24:00,160 maintenance. As you can see, sidewalk, again, it's just panel replacements, 333 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:04,160 trip edges, and then sweeping. For asphalt trails, we might have a mill 334 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,080 and overlay, sweeping, crack sealing, and kind of similar things that you'd 335 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,320 see with uh street pavements. 336 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,640 Overall, the recommendation coming out of this is, pending what we see with the 337 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:23,160 comprehensive plan for 2050 that you all see, that would inform any plan on um 338 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,760 future potential sidewalk or trail things. I do want to note, we are 339 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:32,440 working with the county on some gaps along County 5 as well as County 42 uh 340 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:37,120 where there's not off-street facilities on both sides of the roadway. 341 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Very clearly, we do not want pedestrians in the road on county roads. And so, um 342 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,560 we're working collaboratively with the county 343 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:48,560 through some grants to to close those gaps in the system. So, that is within 344 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,760 the next 5 years, those are planned. But, beyond that, any new sidewalks or 345 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,400 trails would be informed by the comprehensive plan. 346 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:02,360 With that, I'll take any fun questions. 347 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:07,240 » Any questions for Mark and the plan and it'll be updated in 2025, 348 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,040 but any 349 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,480 questions, comments? 350 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:19,040 » I just want to comment. Generally speaking, these comprehensive plans are 351 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:23,360 just as the city manager pointed out and they're from I think from all of our 352 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,120 perspective, they're one of the best tools for us to really make a 353 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:31,080 » decisions >> thoroughly educated decision, not just a 354 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,960 cursory review and some basic information and we're we're making a 355 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,302 decision. These are phenomenal tools for us. 356 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,160 » I love it because I have the information [clears throat] 357 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,840 to to evaluate and make good decisions 358 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:48,120 from. And especially when I'm looking 359 00:25:46,472 --> 00:25:56,040 » [clears throat] >> on the strategy you have presented in 360 00:25:51,760 --> 00:26:00,200 page 17 and 18, Mark, of the plan. That really gives us a lot of good 361 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:06,840 information about how you're going about all of this. And 362 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,840 also, I didn't know 363 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:13,920 but we are uh 364 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:19,000 snow removing and taking care of sidewalks that are on county roads, 5 365 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,960 and 11 and 42. 366 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,040 » Cliff Road as well, yeah. That's correct, right? 367 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,560 » Cliff Road, yeah. So, 368 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:33,000 good job because it it's about our vibrancy. We say one of 369 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:36,800 our the vision for the city is a vibrant community, but if the county's not doing 370 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,280 it, then we're doing it. But we don't get 371 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,560 reimbursed. We don't bill them, do we? >> That is correct. We do not. 372 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,760 We're good partners. We do things. We do it. 373 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,560 » We're [snorts] going to have to be better partners pretty soon, I have a 374 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:54,800 feeling. >> Yeah. Any 375 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,440 Any other comments for Mark? 376 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760 Thank you so much. >> Thank you. 377 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,600 » Well done. Travis and Mark, great information and 378 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:09,720 Greg I know there are 13 of these studies. 379 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,880 They're very good. So, thank you. Okay. Um 380 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:18,320 council members, uh we're at round table. 381 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,793 Vince. >> Don't forget to vote tomorrow. 382 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,920 » Okay. Yeah. >> [laughter] 383 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:27,920 » Yeah. Now, any reports from you? >> Uh no. Uh we got a going away party, I 384 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,640 think what next week for Amy? >> For Amy? Yeah. 385 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,280 » the Med Cruise at 4:00 next week or the week before after. 386 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,800 » I think it's the >> May 1st. 387 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,440 » Uh a week from this Friday. I believe. Or is it this Friday? 388 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200 » No, it's next week. >> Next week. 389 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,320 » Next week. Yeah, that that's a going away party at Med Cruise for her at 390 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,920 4:00. I think everybody should have gotten a 391 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,880 message [clears throat] on all that. >> Well, you Well, but 392 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,120 » And it's on Facebook, so I think the city got invited. 393 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:58,160 » Yeah. Well, just let our res- residents who are listening to us say 394 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,040 What? >> Oh, Amy is the the executive vice or the 395 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,200 executive president of the Experience Burnsville and she's leaving 396 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,520 us for a job in Green Bay because like 397 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,920 Diane Keeley, she's a Green Bay fan. And so, she's going home. 398 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,160 » I knew there was something about >> the championship rings. She's going home 399 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,124 to represent the Pack, so. >> I knew there was something dodgy about 400 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,640 her. >> [laughter] 401 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,240 » But it's a it's really a good opportunity. You know, she's been a one 402 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:26,360 person show for a long time ever since COVID and it's an opportunity for her to 403 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,440 work with a big staff in a in an organization that's so much larger than 404 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,640 our organization is and so, it's it's it's a great opportunity. And just so 405 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,720 you know, we already started our executive search for a new director, so 406 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,320 that is out there and we'll update you that. I'm I'm part of the search 407 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,280 committee, so >> Big shoes to fill. 408 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:48,360 » It's some big shoes to fill and it's I mean, she did a a from from payroll to 409 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,640 marketing to emails. You name it, she did it all. So, 410 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,640 uh she will definitely be missed. 411 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,880 And that's it. >> Okay. 412 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:02,920 » Madam Mayor, members of the council, just so uh the date for Amy's farewell 413 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,720 is Friday, August 21st for 21st at 4:00 p.m. at 414 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680 » Thank you. >> uh at Mad Cruz. 415 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,760 » Yeah. >> And uh the board shared that information 416 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,120 with staff, asked us to invite our team, and to invite you. So, I think you 417 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,360 probably saw it in my weekly email to you. And anyone who is interested in 418 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,200 wishing uh Amy well and and farewell um is 419 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:28,280 welcome to attend. >> Okay. Very good. Cara, you have any 420 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,840 anything to report? >> I do not. 421 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800 » Okay. Dan? 422 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,880 » Just a few [clears throat] quick things. The Chamber of Public Policy 423 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Committee was last Friday, and uh it featured our new Chief of Police as the 424 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,560 guest speaker. He gave a 425 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,840 uh Chief Smith gave a really good 426 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:53,240 presentation uh showing the history of the department 427 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:57,200 going way back. I do remember that some of those photos 428 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:01,120 uh when uh your predecessor took office, but the way you did it, and there was 429 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,440 seems like there was a so much more information, and it really was 430 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,920 extraordinarily informational for everybody on the call 431 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,760 uh in the virtual meeting. Um it was great. Really great job. 432 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,280 And uh I I think hopefully the Historical Society has 433 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,920 tabs on all those photos, cuz there's some great photos of squads from way 434 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400 back. >> Mhm. 435 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,000 » [clears throat] >> Uh the meeting it was recorded and his 436 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,800 presentation, so I think you can get the link on the Chamber website or their 437 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,760 YouTube channel. Uh Metro Cities Transportation and 438 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,800 General Government meeting uh was held in July, our first one, and next one's 439 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,720 coming up in late August. So far, no major contentious issues within the 440 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,120 General Government section or Transportation. 441 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,040 Uh Transportation got a big shot in the arm with the additional 442 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,080 uh, sales tax boost, so 443 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,400 a lot of projects are getting funded in Burnsville, ironically, 444 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,920 lately. Uh, NLC announced their leadership 445 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:01,440 applications opens on Monday the 17th and I'll run open till September 28th. 446 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:06,640 That includes the board, federal advocacy committee chairs and council 447 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:10,320 chairs, second VP and many more. They do note that you have to log in 448 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,680 your myNLC myNLC uh, to complete the application for 449 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,400 those interested. And then MVTA ridership report came out. 450 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:22,800 I sent it to Greg to share as he did. It just really showed strong growth across 451 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:27,120 the system. We did, I want to point out we did refine some routes. 452 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Um, and it's it's really great to see when 453 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,440 we change a particular route based on some studies and feedback 454 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:40,200 when it gets a big jump in ridership, like instantaneous 20-30% jump in 455 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,880 ridership uh, after changing the route is is 456 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:49,440 really good good to see. Obviously, it affirms uh, the data set 457 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,000 the data pointed to making a route change. 458 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,600 That's it. >> Okay. 459 00:31:53,200 --> 00:32:01,160 Uh, I don't have anything to report, but we had a great 460 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:06,520 turnout, I thought, for um, the distribution of soccer balls 461 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:14,640 for the uh, our youth. Our new emerging young soccer 462 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:20,240 players. So, that's it. And our Burnsville-Savage meeting was canceled 463 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:24,200 because nobody had anything to report. So, um, 464 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,280 that's it. And so, if there is nothing else, Greg? 465 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:35,440 » Nothing from staff, Mayor. >> Okay. We stand adjourned adjourned by 466 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,960 acclamation and then reconvene uh, Uh, at um, 467 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,040 6:30. 6:30 >> 6:30 468 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:46,920 » 6:34 uh, the budget meeting. Okay, very good. 469 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,920 Thank you.