1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,960 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,800 is 5:30 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,680 and I will call this regular meeting of 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,640 the Burnsville City Council to order. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,720 It is our tradition to stand for a 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,680 moment of silence followed by the pledge 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,160 of allegiance and we invite you to join 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:44,750 us. 9 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,560 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,760 United States of America 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,680 and to the Republic for which it stands, 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,440 one nation under God, indivisible, with 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:06,030 liberty and justice for all. 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,120 » Welcome everyone. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,600 It's good to see our residents 16 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 in the in chambers. 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,120 We welcome everyone and also um 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,920 members of our community can watch us on 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,190 burnsvillemn.gov/meetings 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,800 or Comcast channel 16 or 859. The public 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,080 can also participate through Zoom 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,440 by joining us at zoom.us/join. 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,840 More information is available 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,680 on our meetings webpage and in the 25 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,120 council agenda packet. 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,920 The first item on the agenda is 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,320 announcements and a proclamation. 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,280 Our announcements have to do with all of 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,200 our upcoming meetings. 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Regular council meetings are scheduled 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,600 for Tuesday, September 8th at 5:30 p.m. 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,120 and Tuesday, September 22nd at 5:30 p.m. 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,000 We have a work session that's scheduled 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,080 for Tuesday, September 15th at 5:30 p.m. 35 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 and we have a budget work session that's 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,120 scheduled for Tuesday, September 8th at 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,550 6:00 p.m. 38 00:02:17,551 --> 00:02:17,560 » [snorts] 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,040 >> and Tuesday, September 15th at 6:30 p.m. 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,160 And we all 41 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160 And we have one uh proclamation, but all 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,640 meetings of the city council are held 43 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,920 here in the chambers unless I 44 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,840 uh would announce a different location 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,840 for a particular meeting. 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,040 So, we have one proclamation this 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:53,710 evening. 48 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Council members and members of the 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,920 public and our staff, um today we have 50 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:02,200 an overdose awareness week proclamation, 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,360 August 25th through the 31st, 2026. 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,840 Whereas, communities across the United 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,760 States, including Burnsville, continue 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,040 to suffer the devastating impact of 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,400 overdose 56 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,600 and fentanyl poisoning resulting in the 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,800 tragic loss of life, 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,600 trauma for families, and long-term 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,480 community harm. 60 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,720 And whereas, fentanyl, a powerful 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,840 synthetic opioid, is involved in the 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,320 majority of opioid overdose deaths and 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,120 is often found in counterfeit pills and 64 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,480 other substance without a person's 65 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,840 knowledge. 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,720 And whereas, Burnsville is committed to 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,080 raising awareness, promoting prevention 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,519 efforts, 69 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:50,560 and supporting affected families and 70 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,480 individuals with compassion and action. 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,080 And whereas education, harm reduction, 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,760 and accessible treatment are key to 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,120 ending the opioid epidemic and saving 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,480 lives in our communities. 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,040 And whereas 76 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,600 we resolve to play our part in reducing 77 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,000 the toll of overdose in the community. 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,799 Which claims the lives of more than 39 79 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:19,840 Dakota County, Minnesota residents 80 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:22,120 last year. 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,640 Whereas we affirm that the people 82 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,680 affected by overdose are our sons 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,200 and daughters, our mothers and fathers, 84 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,919 our brothers and sisters. 85 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:38,000 And deserving of our love, 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,640 compassion, and support. 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,040 Now therefore, I Elizabeth Kautz, along 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,720 with the City Council, do hereby 89 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,280 proclaim August 25th through the 31st, 90 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:53,200 2026 as Overdose Awareness Week in 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,400 Burnsville. And do hereby encourage all 92 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,680 residents to learn, engage, and advocate 93 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,160 for prevention, education, and support 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,480 in honor of those we've lost 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,360 and those still struggling. 96 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,480 Proclaimed this 18th day of August, 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,840 2026. 98 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,400 And um I understand that Mr. James 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Johnson Jr., the Opioid Prevention 100 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Coordinator for Dakota County Public 101 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Health uh 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,000 is here to accept the uh proclamation. 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,150 Mr. Johnson. 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,520 Thank you for coming. 105 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,919 >> Thank you, Mayor. 106 00:05:34,919 --> 00:05:35,440 >> Yeah. 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:44,990 >> Turn around. 108 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,080 » Okay. 109 00:05:46,080 --> 00:06:00,750 We'll take one with the council. 110 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:09,030 » Absolutely. 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,160 Quick change. 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 >> How are you? 113 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,840 >> Good to see you. 114 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,560 >> Yeah. You've been working on this for a 115 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,120 long time. 116 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,120 >> We have. We have. 117 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,160 >> Yeah. You had so many Thank you for all 118 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,320 of the work that you put in today. 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,240 >> Thank you for the support. 120 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:38,234 >> Yeah. 121 00:06:38,244 --> 00:06:44,129 » [applause] 122 00:06:44,139 --> 00:06:47,830 [clears throat] 123 00:06:47,840 --> 00:07:04,350 » I just noticed that. 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,240 » The city of Burnsville has been 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,160 advocating 126 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,800 and 127 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,320 engaging and practicing 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,840 civility, dignity, 129 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,720 and respect. 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,840 And so, we continue 131 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,600 from now on 132 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,880 to ensure that we remember 133 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,640 that the Burnsville City Council is 134 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,120 committed to respect in how we treat one 135 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,480 another, 136 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,200 treating people with compassion, 137 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,440 kindness, and consideration, honoring 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,640 human dignity in how we interact, 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,720 recognize an inherent value of every 140 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,400 person. 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Working together to serve the community, 142 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 partnering to strengthen our community 143 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,560 and advance the common good. 144 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,920 And so, 145 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,520 at the beginning of every citizen's 146 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,920 comments, 147 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,120 uh I will be reading this so that we can 148 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,800 continue to focus on what is important 149 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,720 to all of us here in our community. 150 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,680 And so, the next item on the agenda is 151 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 citizen's comments, and this is the 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,200 opportunity for anyone 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,520 um in the audience who wishes to address 154 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,919 the council on an item that is not on 155 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:17,880 the printed agenda and not an 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,000 application form that's coming before us 157 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,760 at a future date. 158 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,640 And I have three people who have signed 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,880 up to speak during citizen's comments, 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,600 and uh the first one is Mr. Bruce Henry. 161 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:40,870 Mr. Henry, the floor is yours. 162 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,520 » Thank you, Mayor. Good to see you again 163 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,240 and the council. 164 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,200 Uh as you know, I was here in uh May to 165 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,080 speak on a separate subject of city 166 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,280 special assessment at Burnsville, the 167 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Real Life Cooperative. Well, in the in 168 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,440 the process of doing that, I I walked the streets around where I 169 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,800 live periodically, three, four times a 170 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:04,880 week. 171 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:11,720 As a I also walk around uh the property I live on, and I noticed 172 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,680 one thing in May, or actually in 173 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,680 February or March, it was on East 174 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:21,000 Travelers Trail, by the apartment 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,240 complex there, and I would like to pass 176 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 this picture out to all the members of 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:31,590 the city council to look at. 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:53,426 » You could do that. 179 00:09:53,436 --> 00:10:04,350 » [snorts] 180 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,200 » My foot traffic every might not be the 181 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,680 best, but I think uh 182 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:08,440 >> It's pretty good. 183 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,720 >> quite fair what we have there. 184 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,960 And the reason I addressed this, it 185 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,440 looks like 186 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,600 a problem waiting for 187 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,480 something to happen with somebody. And I 188 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,600 would not want the city and all its 189 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,520 people here to have to pay for an 190 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,680 accident or something. It just looks 191 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,080 really bad. 192 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,840 And I know when I was here and I talked 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,200 about the special assessment that has to 194 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,800 do with the maintenance of the streets 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,560 and everything around there. Well, this 196 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,800 is an example to me that's something 197 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,000 that needs attention. And I I decided to 198 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,960 think about this for a while and I came 199 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,839 up with a solution. I don't know if it 200 00:10:44,839 --> 00:10:45,800 would 201 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,800 be something you guys could implement or 202 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,720 whatever is periodically maybe the 203 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,720 council or the mayor or anyone else walk 204 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 the streets. Cuz I just wonder when 205 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,040 looking at this whether or not there's 206 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,240 other conditions in the street that fall 207 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,560 under this thing. 208 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,560 problem. And I'm sure that is not the 209 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:07,880 only isolated ones. I've lived in large 210 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,160 cities. I lived in Southern California 211 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,000 for a long time and I would walk the 212 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,040 streets and look for things like that. 213 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,520 Because uh 214 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:16,960 especially in the wintertime and it's 215 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 been there since February. 216 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,920 And this is almost September. 217 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,320 And I'm just kind of curious 218 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,839 whether or not you have a group of people that go out and look 219 00:11:28,839 --> 00:11:30,880 for things like this and and try to 220 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,080 repair them on the spot. Yeah, I know 221 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,200 it's probably included in your 222 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,120 yearly budget. So, and uh 223 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,000 I'm really glad to see some of my fellow 224 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,040 co-op members here. And the ladies that 225 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,920 follow is going to speak to another 226 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,400 thing, but I just would really like to 227 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,640 see our streets maintained a little bit 228 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,120 better so we don't have problems like 229 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,120 this. 230 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,680 Cuz I'm not When I walk, I'm not the 231 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:57,560 steadiest person in the world. And it 232 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:58,680 could have been me, it could have been 233 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:02,800 anybody. And uh so, that's that's really 234 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,800 all I want to say but I do want to give 235 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,760 you guys kudos 236 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,560 for finally mowing the lawn on the path 237 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:11,080 that's in our property. We were 238 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,600 wondering for a while whether 239 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,960 who is going to mow the lawn first, us 240 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,280 or you guys. And finally I saw Well, 241 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,520 yeah, one day I woke up and there the 242 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,440 lawn there I heard it cuz it's right 243 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,680 outside where my unit is. And so, I 244 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:26,480 heard it and I was glad to see that. So, 245 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,040 that's all I got to say. Thank you. 246 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,960 >> Thank you. Our 247 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,440 public works director is in the room and 248 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,030 he 249 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Okay, thank you. 250 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Uh the next one is Rose Sullivan 251 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,350 uh from Real Life as well. 252 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:52,150 This is Sullivan, welcome. 253 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,680 » Oh, good afternoon. 254 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:59,280 >> Good afternoon and we did receive your letter. 255 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,920 >> Right, okay. So, you all have You all 256 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,680 have a copy of this. So, I'm going to 257 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:04,880 read this letter but hopefully with my 258 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,240 inflections and and some of that. And if 259 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,480 you have any questions at the end, I'll 260 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,480 be happy to answer them if you if you 261 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,600 have any. 262 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,920 Um I've read this so many times. We'll 263 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,160 see how many words I trip on this time. 264 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Anyway, um 265 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,120 my name is Rose Sullivan. 266 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,200 I represent the Real Life Cooperative of 267 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,720 Burnsville as well as the the 268 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,960 Cooperative of Burnsville, 269 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,920 and perhaps many other multi-family 270 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,920 buildings in Burnsville 271 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 where electricity and or natural gas is 272 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,400 provided by group meters rather than 273 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,720 individually. 274 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,640 I am currently a member of the Real Life 275 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,000 Cooperative of Burnsville and a past 276 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,840 president of its Board of Directors. 277 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,120 As we believe we are paying more than an 278 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,200 equitable share in franchise fees, 279 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,240 we would appreciate it if you would take 280 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,760 another look at the current structure of 281 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,720 the franchise fees and consider adding a 282 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,240 residential multi-family category to the 283 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,440 franchise fee structure 284 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,310 to make them more consistent. [laughter] 285 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,360 I'll use the Real Life Cooperative and 286 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Parkway Cooperative as a basis of my 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,640 information, but there are other 288 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,440 buildings that are probably set up the 289 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,000 same way we are that would have the same 290 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,030 kind of issues. 291 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,800 There are two other cooperatives and 292 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,840 many other multi- uh multi-unit 293 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,200 buildings in Burnsville housing a large 294 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,640 number of Burnsville residents and 295 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,360 voters. 296 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,320 So, just to give you a little 297 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,960 background, I don't know if you're 298 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,000 familiar with with uh cooperatives, but 299 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,520 I'm going to I'm going to talk about 300 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,295 cooperatives a little bit. 301 00:14:42,295 --> 00:14:42,640 >> [clears throat] 302 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,800 >> The Real Life Cooperative of Burnsville 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,480 opened in early 1996. It's built in '95, 304 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 opened in '96 305 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,600 as a not-for-profit cooperative 306 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,560 corporation. 307 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,240 It consists of 165,736 308 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,920 sq ft and has 119 units. Big building. 309 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,120 The Parkway Cooperative is also a 310 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 not-for-profit cooperative corporation 311 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,160 and it consists of 150,337 312 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,960 sq ft and has 102 units. 313 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,839 in both buildings are open to 314 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:22,960 seniors 62 and older. And on the bottom 315 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,080 of those letters it says 55, but that's 316 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,680 old news. I happen to notice that those 317 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,560 are That's an outdated at the bottom. 318 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,110 HUD made us change. 319 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,760 So, under the cooperative model, each 320 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,440 member owner buys a share of the 321 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,280 corporation 322 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,440 and then signs an occupancy agreement 323 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,520 for the specific unit in which they 324 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,280 actually live. 325 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,560 In addition, each member pays a monthly 326 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,160 homeowners association fee, which 327 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,920 includes their share of the co-op 328 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,400 financial burden, such as the mortgage, 329 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,200 taxes, insurance, common area 330 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,480 electricity, natural gas, maintenance 331 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,826 reserves, and so forth. 332 00:16:04,826 --> 00:16:07,436 >> [cough] 333 00:16:07,446 --> 00:16:08,240 [snorts] 334 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,760 >> Each co-op member has their own 335 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,240 electricity account with Dakota Electric 336 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,720 at Real Life and with Xcel at Parkway 337 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,440 and pays their own electric bill, which 338 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,320 includes the $8 monthly franchise fee. 339 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,800 In addition, each member contributes 340 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,160 their share of the common area electric 341 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,000 bill franchise fee, 342 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,080 which [clears throat] comes out to an 343 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,480 average of 67 cents each month for the 344 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,880 people at Real Life. It's a little bit 345 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,280 more than that. It's 78 cents a month 346 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,240 for the people at um 347 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,640 at Parkway 348 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,360 cuz you're dividing by a smaller number, 349 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,320 but it's the same initial charge. So, 350 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,011 that's that's why there's a difference. 351 00:16:50,021 --> 00:16:52,070 » [clears throat] 352 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,920 » Now, natural gas is different story. 353 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,520 So, natural gas for the two buildings is 354 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,120 provided by CenterPoint Energy, 355 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,400 but co-op members do not have their own 356 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,480 individual meters. 357 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Natural gas is provided under four 358 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,480 commercial industrial 359 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,360 sub accounts for each building and 360 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,480 tracked through four meters, which 361 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,439 service each entire complex. 362 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:22,920 Both buildings are charged a franchise 363 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,839 fee on all four of the sub accounts. 364 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:28,400 $468 365 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,000 a month on each of the first three sub 366 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,680 accounts, and $80 a month on the fourth. 367 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,960 So, in total for gas, each building pays 368 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,040 a franchise fee per month of $1,484, 369 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,440 or an average of $12.47 370 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,360 per Real Life member, and $14.55 371 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,040 for the the Parkway folks. 372 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,040 These costs are rolled into the HOA 373 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,560 charge, where each member pays each 374 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,360 month to cover the cost of running the 375 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,400 cooperative. 376 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,760 So, in summary, each Real Life co-op 377 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,440 member pays $21.14 378 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,160 per month 379 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,080 in franchise fees, 867 for electricity, 380 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,280 1247 for gas. Parkway, little different. 381 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,280 2333 382 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,080 per month in franchise fee, 878 for 383 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 electricity, and 1455 384 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,320 for the gas. 385 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,760 These amounts are 32% and 45% more than 386 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,960 what a Burnsville single-family home 387 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,830 resident pays at $16 a month. 388 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,560 And each co-op member would typically 389 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,000 use less of the utility resources than a 390 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,600 single family would. 391 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,720 And of course, we all know these are 392 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,880 scheduled to go up a couple more times, 393 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,000 so 394 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 I've been on your franchise fee page a 395 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,473 lot. 396 00:18:54,473 --> 00:18:55,880 >> [clears throat] 397 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,920 >> I suspect that you haven't received much 398 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,120 feedback on the gas franchise fees from 399 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,280 buildings such as ours, because the 400 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,040 average person in this type of building 401 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,190 would have no reason to see a gas bill. 402 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,280 In most cases, only the person who pays 403 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,560 the bill, and perhaps a reviewer, would 404 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,040 see it. I just happened to have a 405 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,040 conversation with my property manager 406 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000 one day and tripped on it. 407 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,750 So, that's why I'm here. 408 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,200 As stated on the city website, when the 409 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,720 city instituted franchise fees back in 410 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,920 2016, 411 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,680 one of the pluses to going this route 412 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,880 was to spread out costs to each property 413 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,000 as equally as possible, 414 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,360 to include churches and nonprofits. 415 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,080 As I've just demonstrated, this is not 416 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,840 how it worked out. 417 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Under the current franchise fee 418 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 structure, many senior cooperative 419 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,200 owners and other multi-family complexes 420 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,360 are being charged considerably more than 421 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,200 our neighbors who own or rent a regular 422 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,280 home. 423 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,160 This is an inequitable sharing of costs, 424 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,240 and financially penalizes those who live 425 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,920 in multi-family buildings, and it ought 426 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,830 to be the other way around. 427 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,680 The current franchise fee structure is 428 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,640 shown in the attachment to this letter. 429 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,960 There at the bottom of the page, you'll 430 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,560 see the actual categories. Uh I got that 431 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,600 from Alyssa when I came to see her a 432 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,579 month or so ago. 433 00:20:21,589 --> 00:20:22,560 » [clears throat] 434 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,240 >> In the natural gas category, please note 435 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,720 that the franchise fee jumps from $80 a 436 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,160 month to $468 437 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,240 a month with no graduated amounts in 438 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,280 between. 439 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,320 Also note there is no category that 440 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,840 addresses residential multi-family 441 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,520 buildings at all. 442 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,240 Perhaps a residential multi-family 443 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,160 category could be added and be 444 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,720 structured to make franchise fees more 445 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,560 equitable. 446 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,480 Thank you for your consideration of this 447 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,720 request. 448 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,400 And again, if you have any questions, 449 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,880 I'll be happy to try to answer them. 450 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,720 >> Thank you, Mrs. Sullivan. 451 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,680 >> Mayor Madam Mayor, 452 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,200 >> Yes. 453 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,960 >> I just felt this was really well thought 454 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,360 out. Thank you for taking the time to do 455 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:05,360 this, and it It 456 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,120 >> You're welcome. 457 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,520 >> It gives you food for thought. It really 458 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,080 does. 459 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,120 >> Okay. Thank you. 460 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:09,760 >> doing that. 461 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,110 >> Yep. 462 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,400 And the next uh 463 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,160 speaker is um 464 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,560 Mr. Gary Schuler. 465 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:24,750 And it's on franchise fees as well. 466 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,840 » Thank you, Mayor and city. Um 467 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,480 Yeah, we do have an issue with the 468 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,639 franchise fees as well. Uh it is 469 00:21:33,639 --> 00:21:35,320 [snorts] just it's a little out of hand, 470 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,914 I believe. 471 00:21:36,914 --> 00:21:37,400 >> [clears throat] 472 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,080 >> We have 76 473 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,000 individuals living in uh our building 474 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,840 um at $8 475 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,760 for gas and then another $8 for 476 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000 electric. We each have our own meters. 477 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,280 We're getting charged that. Comes to 478 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,600 $1,216. 479 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,150 Our main building gas is $468. 480 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Um times two 481 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,110 and then another $80 bill. 482 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,720 Our main electric, we have two 483 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,400 meters also at $80 apiece just for 484 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,120 franchise fees. 485 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,720 This doesn't include the electric or the 486 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,040 gas. 487 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,160 We are paying 488 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,880 in total of 489 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:30,030 every month $2,392. 490 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,880 Now, it's not a company or anything that 491 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,520 is buying this or paying for it. It's 76 492 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,680 people 493 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,800 that live there. We 494 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 are a cooperative also and we have an 495 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,840 issue with each of us paying $31.47 496 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,080 a month 497 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760 for franchise fees. 498 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,960 I think this is a little out of hand. 499 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320 And this is every month, not not once a 500 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:57,880 year. 501 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,800 >> Okay. 502 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040 >> It's It's just out of hand. It should be 503 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,920 not per account number. 504 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,070 It should be per address. 505 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,280 So, in other words, why are we getting 506 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,040 just because we have more meters? Do we 507 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,440 combine our meters to one? 508 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,600 You know, it's just 509 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,040 I think we're paying more than our fair 510 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,480 share for individuals. 511 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Compared to anybody else. I mean, 512 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560 everybody else pays $8 513 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280 for gas, $8 for ga- electric, and then 514 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,240 probably eight for cable. 515 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,160 We pay $31 516 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,781 and 47 cents. 517 00:23:36,781 --> 00:23:38,080 >> [snorts] 518 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,640 >> And it's and it's a big concern to us 519 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,240 with the price of fuel and everything 520 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,440 going on. I mean, this is just 521 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,280 nickel and diming us. 522 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,000 It's it's we got to look into it. 523 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,880 There's got to be something done 524 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,680 differently. 525 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,160 You know, 526 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,840 I I I know it sounds like Burnsville has 527 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,760 um 528 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 cheap taxes or whatever, 529 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,480 but they're getting it from somewhere 530 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,280 else, and that's that's the individuals 531 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,520 again. 532 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,600 I think I think we this is not right. 533 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 You could say it should be an address, 534 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,310 not an account number. 535 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,760 That's my thoughts. 536 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,520 >> Thank you so much for coming in. 537 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,280 >> into it, and we got to come up with 538 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,760 something. This is just crazy. 539 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,360 >> think um 540 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,160 Mrs. Mrs. Ryan is [clears throat] in the 541 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,840 back, and she's 542 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,040 will be happy to to talk further with 543 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,800 you, and I know that Mrs. Sullivan 544 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,480 you've talked with Mrs. Ryan, and so but 545 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,160 thank you so much for coming in and 546 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,440 sharing your concerns. 547 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,440 >> Thank you for listening. 548 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,000 >> Yeah, thank you. 549 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Okay. 550 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,040 With that, 551 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,190 um 552 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,880 is 553 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,720 City Clerk um Collins is there anyone 554 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,440 online? 555 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,320 >> Mayor, no one online has asked to speak. 556 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,000 >> Okay, thank you. So, that's all I have 557 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,200 uh of who signed up to speak. Thank you 558 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,040 so much for coming in and sharing your 559 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,360 thoughts. 560 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:02,440 Um 561 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,240 working together, 562 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,440 um 563 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,280 we have a community that cares for one another and um 564 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,240 will work together to how we solve 565 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,720 problems. 566 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,400 Thank you so much for coming in. 567 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,600 Okay. 568 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,040 The next item on the agenda is additions 569 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,680 to the final agenda and this is for 570 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,560 emergency items only. 571 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,120 City City Manager Lindburg, are there 572 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,360 any emergency items to come before the 573 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:30,920 body? 574 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,960 >> Nothing from staff, ma'am. 575 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,360 >> Okay, thank you. Members of the council? 576 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,360 Okay, we'll move on. The next item is 577 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,600 the consent agenda. The consent agenda 578 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,320 is a group of items that's considered to 579 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840 be routine and will be enacted by one 580 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,760 motion. However, an item on the consent 581 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,840 agenda can be removed for a separate 582 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,400 discussion and vote. Is there anyone who 583 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800 wishes an item on the consent agenda to 584 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,760 be removed for a separate discussion and 585 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,110 vote? 586 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,160 City Clerk Holladay, are there any one 587 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,920 online who wishes an item to be removed? 588 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,812 >> Here, no one has requested an item to 589 00:26:04,812 --> 00:26:06,040 [clears throat] be removed. 590 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560 >> City Manager Lindburg, does staff want 591 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,480 an item to be removed for a separate 592 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,600 discussion and vote? 593 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,800 >> Not from staff, ma'am. 594 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,080 >> Members of the council? 595 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,640 >> No. 596 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,400 >> If not, I would um 597 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,120 like a motion to adopt the consent 598 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:19,200 agenda, please. 599 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,240 >> So moved. 600 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840 >> There's a motion. 601 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,920 And a second? Okay. 602 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,760 Uh uh 603 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,240 All in favor, please say I. 604 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,880 >> I. 605 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Opposed, say nay and the motion 606 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,120 carries. There are no items on the 607 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,320 regular agenda and a motion to adjourn 608 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,120 is in order. 609 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:35,640 >> Moved. 610 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,080 >> Second. 611 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,680 >> There's a motion and a second. All in 612 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,880 favor, please say I. 613 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,240 >> I. 614 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,320 Opposed, say nay and the motion 615 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,720 carries. Good night and thank you for 616 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,560 being with us.