1 00:00:16,190 --> 00:00:25,930 Yes, everyone please shut up your phones or turn them to mute in the audience as well if you could turn your phones to mute, please. 2 00:00:26,530 --> 00:00:26,850 Thank you. 3 00:00:30,820 --> 00:00:31,320 You ready? 4 00:00:33,890 --> 00:00:39,490 Let's call the curtains on a board of appeals meeting to order, please rise for the pledge of allegiance. 5 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:54,720 to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:06,090 Thank you to the applicants that are here in the audience today. 7 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:12,830 In order to prove your entitled to a variance, you should be prepared to show how your property meets the conditions listed. 8 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:22,930 The difficulty must be unique to your property, not generally shared by others in the same zoning district and would constitute a hardship. 9 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:31,530 The variance will not adversely affect public health, safety and welfare, or be contrary to the spirit and the intent of the ordinance. 10 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:37,020 Please call roll call. 11 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:40,900 Mr. Birch? 12 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:41,440 Yes. 13 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Mr. Hines? 14 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:44,200 Mr. Colt? 15 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:44,520 Yes. 16 00:01:45,060 --> 00:01:45,540 Mr. Feust? 17 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:45,960 Yes. 18 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:46,980 This is Warntari. 19 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:47,980 Here. 20 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Mr. Rich Ballski. 21 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,280 President. 22 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:50,240 Mr. Smith? 23 00:01:52,830 --> 00:02:01,650 Next, I would like to request a motion to postpone the nominations to a future date of the chairperson 24 00:02:01,650 --> 00:02:02,790 and vice chairperson. 25 00:02:02,970 --> 00:02:03,930 So, move. 26 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:04,730 Let's make the motion. 27 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:09,110 Okay. 28 00:02:09,390 --> 00:02:16,150 So, the motion has been made by Mr. Gary Cots and seconded by Mr. Rick Feats. 29 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:23,410 Any discussion on the motion, if not, please take roll? 30 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:24,070 Mr. Bird? 31 00:02:24,510 --> 00:02:24,630 Here. 32 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:26,350 No. 33 00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:27,390 Okay. 34 00:02:28,650 --> 00:02:28,670 Yes. 35 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:29,570 Yes. 36 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:32,230 Yes. 37 00:02:32,230 --> 00:02:32,390 Mr. Brown. 38 00:02:35,140 --> 00:02:35,740 Mr. Caut. 39 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:36,300 Yes. 40 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:37,440 To feed. 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,020 Does it work here? 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:39,540 Yes. 43 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:41,120 Yes. 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:42,460 Yes. 45 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:45,220 Thank you. 46 00:02:46,780 --> 00:02:47,920 How was the time that 47 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,640 set aside from members of the audience to address the zoning board of appeals. 48 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:56,260 I would ask that each individual give their name and address for the record, 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,740 limit their comments to three minutes and speak on top of the topic to remain the city business, 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,900 but not pertaining to tonight's appearances. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to 51 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:10,300 address the board about anything other than tonight's or appearances? 52 00:03:13,030 --> 00:03:16,430 Okay, seeing none. I'll ask for approval 53 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:18,530 of the minutes, a motion. 54 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:20,370 The moved support. 55 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:27,040 It was moved by Mr. Burge and supported by... 56 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,140 Yes, Mr. Burge moved. 57 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,240 Oh, I beg your pardon, Mr. Smith. 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,960 And I'm seconded by Mr. Feets. 59 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:37,930 Well, please. 60 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:41,730 Mr. Burge. 61 00:03:42,910 --> 00:03:43,330 Mr. Heim? 62 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:45,230 Yes. 63 00:03:46,610 --> 00:03:46,810 Yes. 64 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:47,910 This is a word, Terry. 65 00:03:48,230 --> 00:03:48,570 Yes. 66 00:03:48,950 --> 00:03:49,570 Mr. Regivoltsky? 67 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:50,130 Yes. 68 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:50,730 Mr. Smith? 69 00:03:51,130 --> 00:03:51,410 Yes. 70 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:53,950 OK. 71 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:55,150 Tonight, the first 72 00:03:55,150 --> 00:04:07,090 Variants on our agenda is number ZBA-23-28 and this motion has four separate parts. 73 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:15,650 Number one to construct a free standing billboard sign in a C2 zone when required to be located in a industrial zone. 74 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:22,570 Two to exceed signage allowance requesting an additional 372 square feet per face. 75 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:36,990 3, to exceed the maximum signage height requesting 60 feet when allowed 25 feet and 4 to locate the sign 5 feet instead of 50 feet required from the public right of way line and 150 feet from 76 00:04:36,990 --> 00:04:41,590 Interstate freeway when required is 660 feet. 77 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:47,670 I would like to entertain a motion to combine the four parts of this variance. 78 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:54,830 It's a support for purposes of discussion. 79 00:04:57,630 --> 00:04:59,330 Looking at this, I'm still struggling. 80 00:04:59,510 --> 00:05:03,770 I wanted to hear from the administration about the OK to sign five feet. 81 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:08,070 Instead of 50 feet required from the public right away line. 82 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:10,950 And 150 feet from an interstate highway. 83 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:12,690 I, I, I, I, I, they're going to fry 69. 84 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:13,770 I get that. 85 00:05:13,910 --> 00:05:18,110 But I'm uncomfortable with only being five feet off a court street there. 86 00:05:18,850 --> 00:05:20,350 I'm afraid someone's going to look at the sign. 87 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:25,470 someone's going to be attentive and so would you would rather not combine 88 00:05:26,490 --> 00:05:31,350 yes I haven't gotten to that point out yes that's why it was a 89 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:33,950 period yeah the other three are our problems but the fourth one I get 90 00:05:33,950 --> 00:05:40,490 questions okay all right well then we'll just we won't have the motion then will you 91 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:48,790 be willing to reason that motion to combine all right so moving on is the 92 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:55,790 is sharing the audience. Please come up and state your name and your address spelling your 93 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:57,450 last name for the record, please. 94 00:05:57,850 --> 00:06:04,730 Of course, my name is Andy Janssen and I'm with Elfront. My office address is in 95 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:13,590 Grand Rapids, so that's 1355, century Avenue, Southwest Grand Rapids, Michigan, 490503, but 96 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:17,190 we also have an office here in Flint too. I just work out of the Grand Rapids office. 97 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:22,190 And do you have anything to add to what we have already tonight? 98 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:22,990 Absolutely. 99 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:26,870 Well, not additional information, but do you want me to explain? 100 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:28,310 Sure. 101 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:29,450 Sure. 102 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,070 So this site first came to our attention. 103 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:33,810 I believe it was back in 2019. 104 00:06:34,130 --> 00:06:38,410 One of our co-workers who lives in the area brought it up to me because you drive by it every day 105 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:45,290 and sees the existing dilapidated signs from the old miracle twin driving movement leader that are currently there. 106 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:49,230 So today, you know, maybe even in the real estate department, you know, 107 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:51,570 do you know what's going on with this? These things have been there forever. 108 00:06:52,930 --> 00:06:55,210 Seems like it's about for a billboard rather than these old things, 109 00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:56,670 because they kind of look like billboards anyway. 110 00:06:57,690 --> 00:07:00,050 So I said absolutely, I'll live and look into it and find out what's going on. 111 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:03,530 And the owner and national amusements has a relationship with our company, 112 00:07:03,530 --> 00:07:06,710 nationally, we've got boards and properties with them around the country. 113 00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:11,330 So we reached up to them back in 2019. Obviously, COVID happened. 114 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:15,770 These got put on hold, so over the past couple of years we've kind of re-agnited it, 115 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:18,530 if had some meetings talking about it. 116 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:21,830 And we realized this is not an over-the-counter project, which is why we're here. 117 00:07:22,090 --> 00:07:26,970 And I know it seems excessive, they have the amount of variances we're asking for here. 118 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:30,850 But really these variances are just asking to 119 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,400 make a product that's usable. 120 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,260 The way the robots are allowed by the city, 121 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:43,080 but the way they're regulated, they're functionally not usable for their purpose. 122 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:52,460 So, that's where the size of the bill comes in, the 672 square feet, that is the standard size of board you will see along the expressway. 123 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:58,240 So, that's why we asked for that. That's not larger, that's not smaller, that's just the standard expressway size sign. 124 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:07,100 So, that's why we asked for that. The height is just so you could see it. It's the same exact height as the Western most boring property that we would be removing. 125 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:10,600 I guess I should say that too, hopefully that was clear. 126 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,520 the old signs would be completely removed in exchange for this one new billboard. 127 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:20,860 So that's kind of the, that is the benefit to the community, to the property, cleans it up, 128 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,720 makes it look nicer. 129 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:27,960 We have a nice modern use on this property in an area that's not going to affect the development of it. 130 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:30,720 It's talked to in the western corner of the property. 131 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:35,600 And then to address the setback issue, because that's a valid question. 132 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:41,520 We requested the setback because, like you said, we're going for the highway traffic, and we're already 133 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,200 always away from that. 134 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:48,440 But the setback is from the right way, not from the edge of the road, so it's not going to 135 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,020 be like five feet from the edge of the road. 136 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:54,660 The right way line sits back a little bit farther than going to be a five feet back from that. 137 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,640 And as you're driving, let's see if I can measure it. 138 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Now, as you're driving down court, the top of the board would sit 60 feet in the air, so it's going to be above you, you know, above and to the right, if you're on, on course, re-hanging west. 139 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:18,840 So it's not going to be aimed at that traffic, it's not going to be trying to capture that traffic. 140 00:09:19,060 --> 00:09:24,240 So that's the reason we don't, in fact, I've got a very similar situation at my office at Green Rapids. 141 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,500 because we've got a building in our parking lot has a street called Century, which is almost 142 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:32,120 like Court runs parallel to 131 right down down our highway. 143 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:37,140 In the book, Billboards, I think it's 65 feet, ours is. 144 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:42,180 But the traffic on the surface street, just like Court here, would drive almost kind of 145 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:43,160 under it, in essence. 146 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:46,740 I mean, they're not driving under it, but it's not going to be viewable for them. 147 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,080 So I don't foresee that as an issue and we've got lots of situations where that example exists. 148 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:59,280 So hopefully that helps answer that question a little bit. 149 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,140 And we have a question. 150 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:01,240 Of course. 151 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:05,280 Your five feet from the property line is your property line. 152 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,520 Where you're talking about five feet from that. 153 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,080 You're supposed to be 50 feet from the property line or 50 feet from the right of way. 154 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:14,260 There's I think there's some dependency here. 155 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,760 I'm visualizing five feet from the right of way. 156 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:22,840 No, five feet from where you're property line. 157 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,440 where you've got it let's go yeah in that case I believe in saying you're talking 158 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:33,440 I think I think two things here okay yes in that case I believe the right of way on court 159 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:42,060 street the property line butts right up against the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the way and the in your property line are correct yes to the US there 160 00:10:42,060 --> 00:10:48,340 Yeah, there's no space in there's a Jason to each correct. Yeah, no I'm clear on it. Sorry. Yeah, that no that's a great question. Yeah, sorry 161 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:55,400 Okay, um, we're gonna open it up shortly, but is there anything else you want to add before we go on to see if there's anyone in the audience for again? 162 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:04,540 No, no, of course. This is just, this is something, you know, obviously my job in the middle of our company is to find appropriate sites for new development. 163 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:17,740 When this site came to our attention, we think it's a great spot for Billboard, but also, you know, I've been doing this job for 17 years and I don't want to put something that isn't appropriate 164 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:23,700 in a certain spot. So I believe that this site meets all the necessary standards for an 165 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:27,820 appropriateness for a billboard. I don't believe it's going to have any impact on the 166 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:33,220 residential across the street or farther to the east. And I think it's a nice opportunity to get 167 00:11:33,220 --> 00:11:38,740 the site. The property cleaned up. It's some of those old signs removed. And modernizing gives 168 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:43,140 some use to a property that's had vacant for a really long time. So thank you. If you can 169 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:55,960 And we're going to go with, if there's anyone in the audience that's for against this variance, please raise your hand and then you can come up and speak on it. 170 00:11:56,260 --> 00:11:57,840 Anyone for against this variance? 171 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:00,440 Yes ma'am, may may come up to the podium please. 172 00:12:02,590 --> 00:12:07,350 Please state your name and address for the record and spell your last name if you wouldn't mind please. 173 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:09,730 All right, my name is Cynthia Turton. 174 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:14,430 It's T-U-R-T-O-N, and I actually am the regional manager 175 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:19,010 for Parkland Ventures who owns the Centennial Farm's Mobile Home Park, 176 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:20,030 next door to this property. 177 00:12:21,230 --> 00:12:23,910 And you should have a letter that was sent by our legal counsel, 178 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:25,630 that was supposed to be read in the record. 179 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:31,110 Do you have a copy of it? 180 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:33,830 I do have a copy of it, like they had sent in, 181 00:12:34,030 --> 00:12:36,330 and someone, I'm sure it was going to be read in the record. 182 00:12:36,330 --> 00:12:39,510 If you'd like to bring this up to you, would you? 183 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:43,230 You can read. 184 00:12:51,860 --> 00:12:54,120 Okay, thank you. 185 00:12:55,460 --> 00:12:58,440 I can speak first, as well as that. 186 00:12:58,940 --> 00:13:03,720 I mean, basically our concerns are we are a residential community, 187 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:05,200 right next door to this property. 188 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,960 We have 400 homes there with families in them. 189 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,480 We are concerned with the aesthetics of the giant sign, 190 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,120 and looming over their homes, as well as the safety, 191 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:17,800 if anything, a border, whatever, 192 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,060 would have break loose from this, 193 00:13:19,060 --> 00:13:20,920 and complying over into our community, 194 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:22,700 and into our residents. 195 00:13:23,860 --> 00:13:25,420 The signs that are that we've been battling 196 00:13:25,420 --> 00:13:27,940 the drive-in property since the drive-in moved out, 197 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:31,780 as far as with the police having issues with that property 198 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,320 already, the signage for trying to get that signage taken down 199 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,660 just because it is an ice org to the community. 200 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:41,940 So I don't know that just replacing it with a bigger sign 201 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:47,000 is going to be the answer, we are, it seems like they're asking for an awful lot of 202 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,180 variances on the ordinance, the ordinance, we're put there because this is a community, 203 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,340 it is a neighborhood with people who live there and the residents are opposed to this and we are 204 00:13:56,340 --> 00:14:01,620 as well. Thank you. I will read this into the record right now. If you don't mind, can I show 205 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:06,840 her something to clarify the sign locations? Absolutely. I want to show you, they're actually 206 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,260 taking down the one that's near your community and they're going to place one here about two 207 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:13,480 out over 2000 feet away from your community. 208 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:17,100 There's no way anything debris is going to get there. 209 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,400 I didn't know if you knew that, but the science located way up there. 210 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,460 We're the old one, the other one is. 211 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,600 But this one will be taken down and gone, and it's not getting a new one to put back. 212 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,920 I didn't know if that changed anything you wanted to say. 213 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Would you like me to still read this into the record, ma'am? 214 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:34,300 Yep. 215 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Okay. 216 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,520 To whom it may concern, I am the general counsel for Parkland Ventures Incorporated, 217 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,420 which is a soul member manager of Centennial Farms M.I.L.L.C. 218 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:53,300 a Michigan limited liability company that owns and operates the Centennial Farms manufactured home community called Centennial Farms. 219 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:59,680 Located at 106.5, peach blossom circle in Burton, Michigan. Centennial Farms is adjacent to the above location. 220 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Request. After receipt of the notice of the above meeting, I called the Department of Public Works in order to get all the details on the application and determine whether we had any opinions or concerns with the same. 221 00:15:12,340 --> 00:15:27,660 As of this letter, I have not received any more detail. Based on the information Centennial Farm says provided. The following is its written statement regarding CBA case number 23-28. This is their concern. 222 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:32,280 Centennial Farms is serious concerns and must subject to the requested variance because 223 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,960 it's stated in the notice's nature of the request. 224 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,500 It is one outside the current zone, two the size of the sign being requested grossly exceeds 225 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:46,080 the permitted square footage by 372 square feet, three the height of the sign being more 226 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:51,260 than double the permitted height, 25 foot compared to 60 foot and four the location of the 227 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:55,520 sign only five feet from the public right of way and required to be 50 feet which is substantially 228 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,380 closer than zoning permits. I will unfortunately be unable to make the meeting, but I'm 229 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:03,800 available to discuss the matter further with the Department of Public Works, the 230 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:10,140 applicant, if either would like. My direct line is, et cetera. Thank you. And that is 231 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:17,340 signed Chris Peterson General Prounsel. And so can that please be put in to the record. 232 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:22,560 Is there anyone else that's for against this in the audience that would like to speak right now? 233 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:27,400 If not, then I'd like to open it up to consumers. 234 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:28,680 I have a question. 235 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,720 Who owns this property? 236 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,880 Because you go along here. 237 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:32,760 This for sales sign. 238 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,900 Three or four different signs from different companies. 239 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,500 Could we have the administration's recommendations on it? 240 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Maybe that would clear it up a little bit. 241 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,120 First, it's national amusements is who owns the property. 242 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:52,460 And just for the audience who's watching and who's here just to make clear 243 00:16:52,460 --> 00:17:15,400 So, this property is the old drive-in miracle twins next to, so West of it is a residential zone which is the Bentley school, and then we have a residential zone on the other side to the east that is the property, the modular home. 244 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,140 And then north of it, we have industrial zone north of that property. 245 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:29,360 So, with the current science that are there, they're dilapidated. 246 00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:32,080 Yes, it would be nice to see them gone. 247 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:43,080 The most outer side of the sign that they're replacing the one with will be the closest to their property line, 248 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,280 which they're stating five feet from. 249 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,400 And the right of way is the same thing as the property line. 250 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:50,400 That's where the property line starts. 251 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:51,780 Is that the right of way line? 252 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:55,840 So won't be the post at five feet away. 253 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,860 It will be the most outer edge of the sign, 254 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,380 just for clarification. 255 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,880 The administration does recommend approval. 256 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,740 We do want to keep in mind and suggest 257 00:18:12,260 --> 00:18:20,540 that we protect the uses around, yes, but when they do come in for their permit, they're 258 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:26,560 going to have to show on their permit, how far out it's going to project onto the property. 259 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:33,620 So we know that it's not going to interfere with the residential zones next to the property, 260 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,240 next to the sign. 261 00:18:39,180 --> 00:18:39,960 Man, President. 262 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,740 Now, a question for the applicant. 263 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:55,200 This sign is a modern LED type sign that you see along many businesses today, is it? 264 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:55,700 Okay. 265 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:59,180 So it'll be one that lights up like some of the LED signs. 266 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:01,180 In fact, there's one right out here in front of City Hall. 267 00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:02,300 Is that what it will be? 268 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:02,640 Yeah. 269 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,020 It's a changeable copy. 270 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,540 I mean, it will change images. 271 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:11,580 So, if I buy advertisement on that sign, and it would reflect that advertising. 272 00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:15,200 Now, what about the property itself? 273 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,180 Is there any future development for that particular property? 274 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:20,640 And will the sign interfere with that? 275 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,740 They have told us that they don't have any current plans for the property. 276 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,580 And they don't have any current buyers. 277 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,900 We are all the way on the west end of the property, 278 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:35,400 the kind of the property narrows into almost the point on the West End and we're all the way 279 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:41,000 tucked into that West End in, you know, an essentially undevelopable area, undevelopable area of the property. 280 00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:43,520 So it wouldn't impact any future for Act. 281 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:44,100 Okay, correct. 282 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:44,880 Thank you. 283 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:45,460 Thank you. 284 00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:47,220 Did you have another question, as well? 285 00:19:47,260 --> 00:19:49,460 Oh, just about who owned it. 286 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,500 You guys owned the property. 287 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:51,640 Just what the sign's going? 288 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:52,920 We don't own it. 289 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:54,840 We don't have any ownership of the properties of it. 290 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,580 We would own the physical sign structure. 291 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:59,380 We have a lease with the national amusements. 292 00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:03,180 So national amusement owns a tonkel property crap, and it's for sale 293 00:20:03,180 --> 00:20:07,340 Yes, so they possibly could get somebody in their buy it and say get really sign right? 294 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:12,320 They could. Yeah, I mean, I think it's been for sale for many many many years. You're gonna lease that property 295 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,740 Yes, you're gonna leave 296 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:22,520 They're gonna pay. They're gonna pay the habit there. Yes. Yeah, you don't get it for free. Oh, no, I'd be nice 297 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:28,300 I know that but there's just a for sale sign there so it could be bought. I have a long-term lease 298 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:33,960 I'm going to put my brokers head on. I want to sign there because I'm going to sell the income screen as well as the land 299 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,260 Where does your right away star get? Does it start in the center of the room? 300 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:43,060 No, it's usually it'll be 50 feet from the center line of the road 301 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,520 It'll be 302 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:52,520 You know, the one I'm measuring. I would say 25 feet off the edge of the road, but that's kind of hard 303 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,900 I'm doing it overhead measurement before the right-way ends 304 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,480 And it will be angle, five feet from the right away, not the post. 305 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:03,940 Correct. 306 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,880 It would be the closest point of the sign. 307 00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:09,560 So now you're going to go in, the closest is going to be centered with the sign. 308 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:14,560 So the edge of the sign would be five feet, and then the post would be halfway between whatever 309 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,740 the redet with the redet. 310 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:20,340 And it would be angle toward I-69, so it's catching the freeway traffic as they come down. 311 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:26,700 So it's going to be more facing towards, I guess, the south, which would be towards I-69. 312 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:29,320 Yeah, not aggressively, but yeah, that means 313 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,360 are only interested in the traffic and I said, 314 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:33,160 all right, so you're trying to catch that traffic. 315 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:34,160 Correct, correct. 316 00:21:34,540 --> 00:21:35,940 Yeah, and I appreciate you making a comment 317 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:36,480 about the poll. 318 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,280 You know, sometimes up so close to this stuff, 319 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:40,680 I assume everyone lives a breeze bill 320 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,820 towards as much as I do, but yeah, 321 00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:44,440 the leaving edge of the sign is fight the back, 322 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:47,380 but the poll then would be, you know, back farther from that. 323 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,700 Mr. Huffman. 324 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:54,860 I know you said it's an LED sign and it's been a face 325 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:56,400 We can try like that, right? 326 00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:58,280 There will be one on each side. 327 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:03,240 So we are 2,350 feet away. 328 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:06,920 The question I got is the brightness of the LED. 329 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,060 I would add a residence around there. 330 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,520 If that's going to be 24,000. 331 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:12,640 Of course, yeah. 332 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:13,760 That's a great question. 333 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,100 And when we get a lot. 334 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,340 One, they all have photo cells on them. 335 00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:19,940 And they all set, they have dimmer. 336 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,080 So at night, obviously, they lower power, because you don't need 337 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,900 as much. 338 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:28,900 With the spacing, there is no resonance in this area that's going to get directly 339 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:29,820 like light still. 340 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:40,580 In more directly south of the sign, so across the road, we're 500 feet, all the way across 341 00:22:40,580 --> 00:22:43,460 the road. And that's not where we're aiming the sign, it's not like we're putting the 342 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:43,580 sign. 343 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:45,080 I know you went towards the track. 344 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:47,300 I know. 345 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:49,220 That's a great shout out question. 346 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:49,880 The lighting. 347 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,880 If you come here on 69 from Grand Rapids before you got off to G'd-Offer's Center Road, 348 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,940 did you see the hockey arena down there, a big sign right there? 349 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,660 Is it going to be something like that? 350 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,580 Just before you got off. 351 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,300 Half a mile. 352 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,560 I said, and see that. 353 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,560 All right. 354 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:08,920 What does he say? 355 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,160 He's not a hockey player. 356 00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:11,620 He can say, I don't know. 357 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:12,540 What is of the sign? 358 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:14,680 I'm thinking that's what it's going to look like. 359 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,020 I believe. 360 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:15,200 I believe. 361 00:23:16,940 --> 00:23:18,760 672 square feet per side. 362 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,640 So it's 14 by 48, 14 feet high, 48 feet wide. 363 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,640 And that's the standard we call it a bulletin in our industry. 364 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,260 We drive up and down the highway. 365 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:30,000 The standard rectangle size is 14 by 48. 366 00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:30,580 I apologize. 367 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:31,360 I just don't have it. 368 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,440 And you guys don't. 369 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:34,500 You guys own the other sign. 370 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:35,820 The miracle twin sign, too. 371 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,240 Who's going to take anybody going to take that down? 372 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:40,040 Yeah, we are. 373 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,800 Are you going to take the infrastructure down? 374 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,260 Yeah, both of those existing dilapidated signs come down. 375 00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:46,800 R key is gone. Correct. 376 00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:48,800 With holding in between the marquee is gone. 377 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:50,420 Well, there's two signs. 378 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,320 There's there's where the entrance to the entrances get the lower one. 379 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,140 That's the marquee. 380 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:56,020 That's smaller one. 381 00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:56,940 The residential area. 382 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,240 Yeah, that's one closest to the entry. 383 00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:59,620 Yep. 384 00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:00,140 That's gone. 385 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:01,280 That takes out of the ground. 386 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,300 Nothing there. 387 00:24:02,980 --> 00:24:05,180 Same with the high one. 388 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:06,240 Toler one on the west end. 389 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:06,780 Correct. 390 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:08,840 That was part of our agreement with national music. 391 00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:12,740 So you have an agreement to take everything down that was here at all. 392 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,320 Okay, let's move forward. 393 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:20,020 Anyone else have any more questions or concerns from the board? 394 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:33,400 If not, then a motion is in order for heart one to construct a freestanding billboard sign in C2 zone when required to be located in the dust rail zone. 395 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Removed. 396 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:41,860 Hey, it was moved by Mr. Vaughan and supported by Mr. Cots. 397 00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:50,860 roll please on the motion. This is a motion to to approve part one. 398 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:52,920 Yes. 399 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Yes. 400 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,320 Yes. 401 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:56,420 Yes. 402 00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:59,740 Excuse me. 403 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:07,300 Okay. Now we will move on to a motion on part two. 404 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,820 And that is to exceed signage allowance requesting additional 3702 square 405 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:13,280 feet per face. 406 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:18,740 So we have a motion or move by Mr. Vaughan or to buy Mr. Bukowski. 407 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,460 Maybe we have a roll call on the motion please. 408 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:24,820 That's motion number two. 409 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Mr. Bukowski. 410 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:27,340 Yes. 411 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:27,720 Mr. Hanks. 412 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:29,260 Yes. 413 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:30,280 Yes. 414 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:31,580 Yes. 415 00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:31,880 This is water. 416 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,340 Yes. 417 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:34,680 Mr. Bukowski. 418 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:35,840 Mr. Smith. 419 00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:36,460 Yes. 420 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:37,040 Motion carried. 421 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,740 So part two motion carries. 422 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:46,560 Part three, to exceed the maximum signage height requesting 60 foot when allowed 25 foot, 423 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280 have a motion please. 424 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:49,340 Moved. 425 00:25:49,780 --> 00:25:50,260 Let's get on. 426 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,440 What do my Mr. Fuchs? 427 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,400 It doesn't matter. 428 00:25:56,420 --> 00:25:56,960 You got supported. 429 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,420 We have a roll on the motion please. 430 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:04,250 Mr. Bird. 431 00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:05,670 Mr. Hind. 432 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:07,510 Yes. 433 00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:08,450 Mr. Fuchs. 434 00:26:09,290 --> 00:26:09,410 Yes. 435 00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:11,810 It's his word here. Yes. 436 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:12,370 It's the original. 437 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:14,490 It's just a minute. 438 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:18,210 Part three of the motion is carried. 439 00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:19,710 Part four. 440 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:23,270 So locate the sign five foot instead of 50 foot required 441 00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:25,640 from the public right of way line and 442 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:27,330 or. 443 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:30,010 Okay. 444 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:31,550 So it's been moved by Mr. Von. 445 00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:33,650 It's part of the Mr. Vikovski. 446 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:38,650 of a vocal in the motion. 447 00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:40,230 Mr. Berg. 448 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:41,930 Yes. 449 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:42,710 Yes. 450 00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:44,050 Yes. 451 00:26:44,050 --> 00:26:44,210 Mr. Fu. 452 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:46,090 Yes. 453 00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:46,790 Mr. Berg. 454 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:47,450 Yes. 455 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:51,010 Okay. 456 00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:52,070 Oh. 457 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:53,810 Motion is carried. 458 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:55,130 The variance has been granted. 459 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:56,470 You may. 460 00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:58,430 You're very interesting. 461 00:26:58,790 --> 00:26:59,030 You're out there. 462 00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:59,410 Quick. 463 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,100 Obviously, don't want to hear me talk. 464 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:15,960 So usually you appreciate that I do actually let's move on to the second variance that is on our agenda tonight 465 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:27,980 Airance number 24 dash zero one to construct an addition that will exceed the maximum height allowance for questing 135 feet allowed 50 feet 466 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,150 On the petitioner in the audience please is the petitioner in the audience 467 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:38,530 Please, come on up to the podium and speak. 468 00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:39,450 Thank you. 469 00:27:39,790 --> 00:27:43,950 State your name, and your address for the record when you get up here, please. 470 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:48,600 Do we move really quickly on the island? 471 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,080 I'm bright and back here, I'm on my side. 472 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:56,180 Part of our facility construction. 473 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Address and warm, warm address and fenn. 474 00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:05,340 Could you spot your last name if you don't mark her BECKER. 475 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:06,980 Thank you. 476 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:12,580 Good evening. My name is Matt Gross, GR-O-S-S, also with General Motors. 477 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,740 One of our technology automation deployment managers. 478 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:21,300 Corporate address in Warren, Home Address, Flushing, Michigan. 479 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:22,600 Thank you. 480 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,360 Anyone else speaking? 481 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Oh, we brought our A.E. of record. 482 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,900 Got the whole crew out of there. 483 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:32,900 My name is McKenzie Stratton. 484 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,920 My address is 485 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:42,720 a good. 486 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,360 Jeff Peterson, the E.D. as in Delta, 487 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,560 ER, S.E.N. of Gafari Associates, the A.E. 488 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,060 Home addresses in Troy, Michigan. 489 00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:54,760 Business in Dearborn, Michigan. 490 00:28:57,270 --> 00:28:59,090 All this carpenter, Walbers Design Manager, 491 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:03,330 who's the General Contractor, working with Gafari. 492 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:05,370 Home address and Sterling Heights, Michigan, 493 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:06,870 and Workout of Detroit, Michigan. 494 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:08,210 Thank you, everyone. 495 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:11,130 And the first person that's going to speak, please, 496 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:15,210 unless you would like one person or 497 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:16,650 represent, even that's fine as well. 498 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:17,590 The tool was planned. 499 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:18,050 Perfect. 500 00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:21,210 If you'd like to have a seat, you're welcome to do that. 501 00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:22,310 Thank you so much. 502 00:29:23,530 --> 00:29:24,210 So, good evening. 503 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:28,850 Again, Matt Gross from General Motors, and we're here to discuss this very interesting question 504 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:32,890 with you guys about this project that we have in our Davis and Road Processing Facility. 505 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:37,330 We brought a lot of support information here, really, to make sure that we could all level 506 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,390 up on exactly what it is we're talking about. 507 00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:47,230 So if it'll help let me step through the information that we've got up here on the TV and McKinsey 508 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:49,310 just a little bit of support there. 509 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:54,750 But the primary thing that we're going to be reviewing with the team is the Processing Center 510 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:59,970 that we have here on Davis and Road that we've been running for about five years. 511 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,120 Now, we're ready to make a significant investment in the work that is done there. And part of that investment requires this additional structure on the outside of the building that's going to support the technology and the processes that we want to put there. Brian's going to explain a lot of the technical details of the building in the structure. And I could certainly answer questions that the team has about exactly what the project is and what this investment's doing for generators, the site work force there. 512 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,460 I'd speak to the, I'd be over here. 513 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:40,840 You're going to have to take the mic with you because she has to, that wish you all 514 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:40,980 here. 515 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,020 Okay, very good. 516 00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:43,300 Bye. 517 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,420 Long enough from here. 518 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:46,320 That's okay. 519 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,280 I'm good. 520 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Oh, existing, we know you want to go to the other, dry. 521 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,720 We have an existing million, just over a million, just over a million to put. 522 00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,200 150,000. 523 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:00,900 It's a million, 150,000. 524 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,200 I was there too. 525 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,480 for crombre heat. 526 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:04,340 All right, good. 527 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:05,040 Good, good, joy. 528 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:09,200 So that's existing where our new enclosure, 529 00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:11,500 building addition slash enclosure, 530 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,160 it's going to be around 100,000 square foot, 531 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,360 101,500. 532 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:21,540 The new enclosure is really all about automation. 533 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:23,740 It's a handle of the parts. 534 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,740 It's a hundred, approximately 135 foot tall 535 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:32,180 and within that footprint of 101,500 square feet, 536 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:41,060 We can see the general location here, off on the east side of the building, towards Davis and Road. 537 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,120 And 538 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:51,790 really it's up. We've snugged it up towards the wetlands, and we have some rent. 539 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:58,190 We can show you what it's going to look like from the neighborhoods and stuff. 540 00:31:58,190 --> 00:32:03,910 off the Davison road, we didn't necessarily do a rendering right off of Davison. 541 00:32:04,150 --> 00:32:09,330 We tried to get back closer to where the residents are versus the commercial business that's 542 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:18,350 right across the street, read it, take these, and you can see that represents where on Davison 543 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:26,270 road and where near Genesee, the corner of Genesee, from this view, almost really from the homes 544 00:32:26,270 --> 00:32:29,630 would be right across the street on jet of C-road. 545 00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:34,450 So that's the heart-handling enclosure there. 546 00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:37,930 And you can see how it relates to the existing warehouse 547 00:32:37,930 --> 00:32:39,510 structure that's there. 548 00:32:39,530 --> 00:32:43,450 That's in the background, just underneath the wires there. 549 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:48,090 But that represents the look that the residents would see 550 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:49,030 in that area, 551 00:32:55,650 --> 00:32:56,790 both through the river of tracks 552 00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:59,070 and off of the jet of C-road, correct? 553 00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:04,990 So this is the view from South to East looking across. 554 00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:07,690 We go back to the site plan, we do. 555 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:14,470 We have pretty good green space in between our building and that space that remains, 556 00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:31,770 no. 557 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:40,030 That is our wetland, that is our detention ponds and stuff like that. 558 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:45,310 and it supports wildlife, green space, so I like to call it. 559 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:49,990 Not going to be altering the entrances 560 00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:54,310 off of Davidson Road, trying to make use of the in-and-outs. 561 00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:57,350 There, those will stay the same, and it's really this building 562 00:33:57,350 --> 00:34:00,670 edition, which is, once again, fully automated. 563 00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:04,650 We're doing a lot of these across the corporation. 564 00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:14,170 CCA is definitely has their number of projects also within the other CCA of facilities. 565 00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:16,630 Okay, thank you. 566 00:34:17,150 --> 00:34:18,170 Are you good? 567 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:22,490 I think so I just want everybody to understand it's a non-man facility. 568 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:23,890 Oh, we appreciate that. 569 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,950 We appreciate your time and explaining. 570 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:32,710 I was going to go on to see if there's anyone in the audience that's for against this. 571 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:34,590 and if they'd like to come up in speak. 572 00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:37,090 Yes, sir, come on up, please. 573 00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:40,390 Then state your name and address for the record. 574 00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:47,750 Brian Sanders, 1404, North Gen. Rowe, Burton. 575 00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:52,030 So I'm right across the street from the thing 576 00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:55,230 I've had five years of pleasure. 577 00:34:56,890 --> 00:34:57,990 It's noisy. 578 00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:59,990 There's lights flashing. 579 00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,850 Day and night, especially at night. 580 00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:09,750 The truck traffic, which we were told, there would be no truck traffic up and down, 581 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:20,450 generously rolled, there is, I mean, it's trying to get out of there at the shift change 582 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:21,630 as possible. 583 00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:25,790 We get out of my own driveway, but that being said, we're just making things worse. 584 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:31,030 And I mean, this thing is a monstrosity, I mean, when you compare it to the other building, 585 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:36,090 I mean, it's just, it's a trotace, but what way it's going to look. 586 00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:43,850 So, you know, I know they've got a 12-year tax abatement, residents are over there paying 587 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:51,870 full taxable value either property still, and, you know, I know my word isn't going to change 588 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:58,810 anything. It's just going to go through, I'm sure. But there's a height regulation for a reason, 589 00:35:58,810 --> 00:36:06,210 I don't know what that is, but it looks, it looks at trotches just there, compared to what's 590 00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:07,690 already there. 591 00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:13,650 So, I've got to say, and the noise, I mean, how much noise is this thing going to generate? 592 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:20,980 Elevators running up and down, I hope they don't know, I think it's something you need to 593 00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:21,300 consider. 594 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,780 Thank you, sir. 595 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,900 Anyone else would like to speak for against this project? 596 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,760 If not, then may have administrative recommendations, please. 597 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,960 So as the applicant stated, General Motors built this facility and it's been operating in five years now. 598 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:50,480 We all know technology is innovating and I guess this is the new thing. 599 00:36:50,480 --> 00:37:00,860 So we understand the need of General Motors and there need to be sustainable and continue to operate and be in a facility. 600 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,500 We also understand the residents are near this. 601 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,580 They are right across the street from it. 602 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,500 It will be they will see it. 603 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:13,120 So just be sensitive when making your decision on both cases. 604 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:19,000 We want the business to continue to operate and the zone that it belongs in and then we need 605 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,920 also protect the residents where we can. 606 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,300 In order to open this up to men president's place can the applicant come back up again 607 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:32,880 I've got a question for you. 608 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:40,360 You said it's an unmanned facility totally automated and the resident behind you just made 609 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,940 a comment about noise and noise abatement, the lights flashing and truck traffic. 610 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,920 So how much noise and will that impact them if this facility was put up? 611 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560 I'll let in that comment on the truck traffic. 612 00:37:55,220 --> 00:37:57,520 The noise should not be a problem. 613 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,960 There should be three inches of insulation, 614 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,140 and this is all very quiet electric type movement 615 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:07,860 of a crane and racks. 616 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,280 So the truck traffic, the general truck traffic. 617 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:17,140 So to the question of truck traffic, 618 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,820 totally understand the concern. 619 00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:25,720 And so what this system does in the acronym ASRS is automatic storage retrieval system. 620 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:31,740 It's an automated vertical warehouse that today, Davis and Road is not a storage facility. 621 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,960 That's part of why the truck traffic is so significant because everything is real-time in real-time out. 622 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,040 This system allows this site that today doesn't store to store material. 623 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:48,360 So actually where it's getting built, McKinsey, could you go back to the layout that shows 624 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:52,660 the placement on the site layout and, 625 00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:57,710 yeah, the actual layout. Yeah, this one. 626 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,540 So, 627 00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:09,530 so Brian, if you'll point to where the actual ASRS is getting constructed. So that is right on top 628 00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:16,400 of where today, doctors 40 through 59 are. So the flashing lights, the red and green lights that 629 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,780 a lot of the team, or a lot of the residency, 630 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,060 this is actually being built right in place of those. 631 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:24,460 So those doctors are gone, turned off. 632 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:29,240 There is lights out that they're, 633 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,640 it's not gonna stop all of them, 634 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,240 but I did wanna comment on that it is 635 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,460 gonna go in front of a large number of the doctors 636 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,700 today get decommissioned and turned off. 637 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,240 The overall inbound and outbound, 638 00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:45,740 so the number of trucks is unchanged by this plan. 639 00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:52,740 it is not a piece of technology or a plan that is going to increase truck traffic. 640 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:57,840 It's designed to let us be able to store material at the building that we have no capability 641 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,900 to store today. 642 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,080 I have a couple of questions from Mr. Vaughan. 643 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,500 So, it's not in the construction start, because that'll be truck traffic. 644 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,820 How long will construction last? 645 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,820 the initial construction is slated to start this spring so there'll be a lot of interior 646 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:27,300 work that is starting here permits and plan approval pending in in the next 60 days 647 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:34,340 but the outdoor work would begin late spring and be under construction for approximately 15 648 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:40,620 months outside of the building yeah we're looking at a year of trucks of construction traffic 649 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:50,160 Yes, absolutely, yeah, it's just a part picking system that goes up and goes gets them comes back comes down 650 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,540 That's exactly right. Okay. I worked at truck plant and there's really no noise 651 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:57,280 No, they got one there. It's all electric servo driven 652 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,780 If it's a size of this, but I know that they do have one this probably a lot bigger than that so a lot more parts there than what you guys got 653 00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:08,880 Could be yeah, maybe it's equal. I don't but so from a noise of eight men 654 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,680 who totally understand the concern it it is a low enough decibel level that 655 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,540 the equipment we're installing does not require even the employees who work inside the 656 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:25,000 building to have a hearing protection noise abatement program. I know I know it's 657 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,900 got very quiet. Somebody brought this up a few years back in a gentleman's gone 658 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:38,660 now this is going to be over 13 stories high. You guys got to get anything from 659 00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:46,490 the 660 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:50,950 but we will make sure we run those draft lines just like we do at the trouble. 661 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:54,090 Each job we cover those. 662 00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:57,070 The third thing was, you guys brought it up. 663 00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:59,490 You have a picture here with nice pine trees right here. 664 00:42:00,710 --> 00:42:03,190 If you put that picture up, you just had it. 665 00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:08,220 That'll be right there. 666 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,540 You got a sidewalk, it's nice. 667 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:13,080 That was part of the initial plan, the trees. 668 00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:14,500 Looks like you got grass. 669 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,200 We have not seen that since the plant opened. 670 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:23,100 People can't walk down your sidewalk because the grass is there, or the weeds, or over three foot tall. 671 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:28,260 Could you guys make it like you got in a pitcher and not entices what the pitcher liked that? 672 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,100 Evan, this still has to come to site plan, and I... 673 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:31,600 Or does? 674 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,680 Or you are the man who sits on the planning commission. 675 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,940 We'll put it there then. 676 00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:37,980 Okay. 677 00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:40,180 You can stick that one in your pocket for later. 678 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:41,720 We got it. 679 00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:42,440 You got a question. 680 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,360 Why are we? 681 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,940 We absolutely have another question. 682 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:49,080 motion. Yes sir. Mr. Vaughn did you have any questions? 683 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,140 I heard the same thing from some residents. 684 00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:53,860 I'm just saying. 685 00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:01,660 I'm very grateful for the jobs that brings in, but what we prove as far as theography 686 00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:06,640 has got to have it. So that's, I hear about that. Okay. 687 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:10,200 Still under development, isn't it really? I mean you're still developing that hot. 688 00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:13,240 Was it a 148th of parcel that you bought in the first place? 689 00:43:19,340 --> 00:43:28,300 It was a large parcel that the future development was pretty obvious if you bought it out there that I mean, that was what I always thought. 690 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,620 But this is unmanned, so it's not going to bring any extra employment to the area, correct? 691 00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:35,690 I agree. 692 00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:40,890 That's a lot of steel parts put together. 693 00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:44,330 Okay, do we have any more questions? 694 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:47,010 I'd like to understand correctly from the right up. 695 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:53,750 This is for aftermarket as well as delivery to assembly plants and other factories. 696 00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:56,130 So aftermarket parts as well? 697 00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:58,030 Not assembly plants. 698 00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:00,110 All aftermarket. 699 00:44:00,230 --> 00:44:02,310 So our customer care and after sales business, 700 00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:04,890 which is what this facility exists for today, 701 00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:11,570 is all about getting repair replacement parts to dealerships, 702 00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:15,590 a quarter of parts that entire aftermarket network. 703 00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:20,370 So this would allow you to store those parts and have a more timely delivery 704 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:23,590 to dealers and other repair facilities. 705 00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:25,890 Okay. 706 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:26,490 Mr. Fitzgerald. 707 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:27,310 Yeah. 708 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:32,970 With this structure being built on the east side of the building, 709 00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:37,970 That's getting it pretty close to genesis row and you're pretty close to Dave's in the road. 710 00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:44,910 Would there be any chance of maybe moving that to the south west side of the building where it'd be more hidden? 711 00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:49,230 To the south west side, so. 712 00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:51,890 I mean, I think it'd be more. 713 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:53,130 I understand the question. 714 00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:56,910 It really is an extremely good question. 715 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:59,030 So inside the building. 716 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,440 There's an enormous amount of additional automation that supports this, and so from the west side, I always get my bearings wrong when I'm looking at that. So it is yes. 717 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:27,840 So the whole process, part flow of the building is inbound on the opposite side, outbound on the side that you're referring to. 718 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:43,640 So to move this to the other side of the building would literally require a redesign, re-engineering of the entire process flow inside the building and think you can appreciate at that point it just becomes cost and feasible because it'd that'd be like starting an entire new site. 719 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:53,520 I can tell you what the noise part also sounds like as an electric motor would maybe have built on a wine and that's all you get for noise. There's nothing. 720 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960 they have an, they have a bit of a link as well. Yeah, they have a lot of 721 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,280 fake, they had a much to truckman. I'm sure plan to. Anyone 722 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,500 questions? Yeah, I got, I got a little, I got, I got. I did not go 723 00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:05,320 hard to put trees up to make a little more, will you? 724 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,380 Absolutely open to 725 00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:14,520 the conversation. Yeah, I think we need to make a recommendation. We have to 726 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,990 make a good start until the resume too. What do you want to do right at 727 00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:25,970 slide point I'm at would have to be part of the most of you guys so we need to go 728 00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:31,790 shape their landscaping in order to allow for the residents to have some 729 00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:36,090 privacy in. You guys can do it either way so either you can make the 730 00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:39,430 requirement or listen you can tell Kevin you're concerned and at the planning 731 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:44,430 commission he can do it. The VH should only put conditions on that really 732 00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:49,490 apply to something that will make a difference to the variance. I don't think a 733 00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:56,950 foot tree is going to affect the fact that it's 135 foot tall but when they come for 734 00:46:56,950 --> 00:47:01,130 sight plan planning commission has the authority to do a whole lot of other things so 735 00:47:01,130 --> 00:47:08,690 it's up to you i think it's it's the same thing either way kind of disagree a little bit 736 00:47:09,110 --> 00:47:13,710 a tree would be a static would you like to make a motion see the the problem is now they do 737 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,110 have trees there but they ain't grown because they're all weeds that's the problem they 738 00:47:18,110 --> 00:47:19,770 grown since they planned them. 739 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:27,360 I'll trust Kevin. I mean, if you want something specific, 740 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,080 a verse, you know, say it. I think that's where between us. I'm going to hold it. I'll 741 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,740 trust Kevin. Kevin. I mean, there's a berm and then six high pines on top. Right. So I don't 742 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:42,920 know what, what you would be looking for. I'd want something specific. Where you would want 743 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,200 them and we're like on top of the berm more on top of the berm or more just in the property 744 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,620 in general. I think I would have one. This is just me. 745 00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:56,480 It'll close if it'll help 746 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,560 line some of the plant. Once they start getting up. I mean, as you drive by fast, I 747 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,880 do. I understand it's 200 feet or whatever. I understand, but as you drive fast, 748 00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:11,820 it's going to be a lot more aesthetic. You see forestry and maintain forest. That's 749 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:16,400 it right there. That's it right there. To the residents and everybody else. I mean, 750 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,840 I have to, I mean, nobody, I understand General Motors and I understand all that and the need for all that stuff. 751 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:28,120 I get that, but I also understand construction equipment and all this other stuff, pulling in and out. 752 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,960 So, you know, if we can make the overall better, I think that's something we should try. 753 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,140 The final product. 754 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,760 We'll have a construction plan of where the trucks will come in. 755 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,020 I believe we're planning all the trucks come off of dates. 756 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,760 And a little bit further to the west, 757 00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:05,070 I guess at this point here about the existing greenery, 758 00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:11,630 but that is this green space is in part of our plan to intrude on, but it is part of our 759 00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:13,490 plan for to continue beautification. 760 00:49:14,290 --> 00:49:19,170 We will be somewhat limited because it's a wet land on exactly what we can do. 761 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:23,110 We can build those berms bigger, great, oh, we definitely can plant trees. 762 00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:25,350 And you can mow grass. 763 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:39,110 The motion and consideration by the planning commission to enhance the burn and the buffering for residents. 764 00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:42,610 So if you like to make a motion to include that. 765 00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:43,610 That's a great. 766 00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:46,070 I don't remember how to make a support. 767 00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:48,110 You said a great support. 768 00:49:50,670 --> 00:49:51,970 We're out of public session. 769 00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:55,390 We're actually out of community session, I'm sorry. 770 00:49:58,510 --> 00:50:01,290 So anyway, if you like to make the motion and consider that 771 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:03,510 a denim, then please, Mr. Vaughan. 772 00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:05,850 I just like to tell the gentleman he can always meet with somebody 773 00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:06,410 after we're not a one. 774 00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:08,630 I'm Mr. Hines. 775 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:09,390 Mr. Hines. 776 00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:14,410 I'll make the motion that, as an item, I'll say, 777 00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:15,350 as, right. 778 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:17,230 I forgot what you said. 779 00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:18,330 Yeah, what did she say? 780 00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:19,990 Did you take that down when I was talking? 781 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:23,690 With the contingency of the Planning Commission 782 00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:29,530 making enhancements to the berm and a buffer area for to protect the on residents from. 783 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:34,960 You can't put a condition on the planning commission, but you can put a condition on them 784 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,460 to include it in their site plan. 785 00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:40,520 It'll happen. I like green. 786 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:47,860 So we have a we have a motion by the port. Mr. Hines and support by Mr. Feats. 787 00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:56,490 And we can take roll as soon as you catch up with all. 788 00:50:58,910 --> 00:51:05,730 Oh, I think I know how high they can go without their airport, saying yes or no, I don't want it to be great. 789 00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:10,370 If they're on the agenda item, 50 is the maximum height. 790 00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:14,730 So beyond that, the airport has to be informed of what's happening or something. 791 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:19,530 No, they're not in the flight path, which we talked to them about it. 792 00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:22,430 The first meeting we had them in there, we informed them about the flight paths. 793 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:25,290 So if they're not in the flight path, there's not a requirement. 794 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:33,990 All right, okay. Okay, so roll are you prepared to take roll on that this is on the motion to approve 795 00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:39,770 There is some are two four deaths or one 796 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:44,370 Yes, yes 797 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:51,250 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it's a virtual scheme. Yes, it's just a myth. Yes. Oh, I'm curious 798 00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,370 Gradulations are going to have the tallest building in Burton 799 00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:56,490 Oh, not quite. 800 00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:57,390 Congratulations. 801 00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:59,650 It still needs to go to plan. 802 00:51:59,650 --> 00:51:59,830 To plan. 803 00:51:59,870 --> 00:52:00,810 There's some high rise. 804 00:52:00,850 --> 00:52:01,990 Then we let 10 stories. 805 00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:02,890 Close to the high rise. 806 00:52:02,890 --> 00:52:03,250 You bigger. 807 00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:03,790 I know. 808 00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:04,750 All right. 809 00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:05,590 Okay. 810 00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:06,490 Moving on. 811 00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:12,560 We will call, actually, just in second. 812 00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:13,660 We have board discussion. 813 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,240 Anyone have any discussion on anything tonight. 814 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,260 Other than head, Valentine's Day. 815 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:18,880 I do. 816 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,260 February 17th is the hot. 817 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:25,020 You go the hallway because we're still in a meeting. 818 00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:26,100 And I can't hear them. 819 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,780 Go ahead. 820 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,000 A Roy 17th is a hot-fudge run the first of the series of races. 821 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,560 You can look at under Newton timing, or you can look up Burton Coana, so it'll be on there 822 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,000 also. 823 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,140 Thank you. 824 00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:41,620 Anyone else? 825 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,140 I got something. 826 00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:44,840 So we have some trainings coming up. 827 00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:47,360 I'm going to send out to you guys if anybody's interested at home. 828 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,460 And they are ZVA focused, so I'll let you guys know. 829 00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:55,200 They're in Frankamos in March. 830 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,820 Well, Frankamos? 831 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:56,300 Yep. 832 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:57,500 It's very good. 833 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,160 They're in March. 834 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,020 So there's two different ones for the ZBA. 835 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:06,360 So if you're a new ZBA member, I would recommend you do the first one, 836 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,760 which is essentials, and then there's an advanced one for the ZBA. 837 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,600 So it might be something you guys have already done before, 838 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,920 because this is pretty much the same one, the thing. 839 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,240 Amber, do you have a date in March? 840 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,060 I don't have it in front of me. 841 00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:21,420 I was going to send it out to you guys. 842 00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:28,060 And we'll just give you a timeframe, don't let us know if you're interested, and that way I can give you all the details in the email. 843 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,920 That'll one day. 844 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,860 Yeah, it's just a couple of hours. 845 00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:35,880 There's a morning, one, and an afternoon, one, and it depends on which one you take. 846 00:53:36,140 --> 00:53:36,320 Good morning. 847 00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:38,980 There are two different classes. 848 00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:40,080 Wonderful. 849 00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:44,780 You provide a lunch and a dinner in both situations. 850 00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:46,580 Oh, there's a dinner involved? 851 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,040 And I know I'll be there. 852 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,960 I hope you'll be there. 853 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,260 All right. 854 00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:50,920 Planning. 855 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:51,980 I'll go. 856 00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:59,940 Planning can go, but it's not, there's EVA, it's about the EVA, so I don't know what use 857 00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:04,640 they will be other than, you know, you know, depending on our budget. 858 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,780 But there is other planning ones, so I recommend this one to you guys. 859 00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:15,540 I would not recommend it for a planning commission member who just sits on a mission. 860 00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:18,960 Now you sit on both boards, so for you it probably would be helpful. 861 00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:30,020 The next regularly scheduled meeting will be held on Thursday, February 15th, 2024 at 5 p.m., this concludes tonight's meeting. 862 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:32,780 I mean, Furned at 55. 863 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,240 I wish you a good job. 864 00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:35,740 I wish you a good job, guys. 865 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,340 You guys, possibly. 866 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:45,420 You're being so polite and, and for paying attention and staying along and lines.