1 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,480 Everyone, my name is Jan Liot, mayor and chair of this council meeting. Before 2 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:47,560 continuing, we will rise from close session. May I have councelor Roberts 3 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,560 read the motion in its entirety, please? 4 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,319 » Yes. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved by myself, seconded by councelor Ernshaw. 5 00:42:52,720 --> 00:43:01,040 Recommendation that council rise from close session held August 25th to 6 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:07,480 reconvene in open session at 6:45 p.m. >> Okay, we will call for that vote. 7 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,480 » Opening voting. 8 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,839 » Closing voting 9 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,800 » that carries unanimously. So during close session, discussions 10 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,880 occurred with council and staff related to confidential negotiations, 11 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:29,200 development ch uh charges relief program application update, and a verbal update 12 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,560 regarding a planning matter. Please note that city of C Cambridge Council 13 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,359 meetings are broadcast on the city's YouTube page and are archived on the 14 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,560 city's website. It is imperative that we as city council promote public 15 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,040 participation using a variety of methods, including YouTube. On that 16 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:49,680 note, our last council meeting had 500 views on YouTube and two delegations. As 17 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,520 a reminder for speakers tonight, both staff and delegates alike, please be 18 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:58,160 sure that you stand 6 to 8 in from the microphone at the presenter's podium for 19 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:02,319 optimal sound quality. There is a remote at the podium you may use to advance 20 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,720 your slides. In the event of an emergency, please evacuate council 21 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,359 chambers using the nearest exit staircase. If you require assistance, 22 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:16,000 please see the clerk's staff. They will provide you with support to exit the 23 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:20,160 facility. Once you have evacuated the building, please gather outside of city 24 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:24,000 hall in the farmers parking market parking lot and await further 25 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:30,319 instructions. I will now introduce council. Councelor Hamilton, councelor, 26 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:36,079 councelor Kimson, councelor Roberts, councelor Cooper, councelor Schwerry, 27 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,760 councelor Ernshaw, and councelor Divine. We will now sing the national anthem. 28 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,000 And if you are able, please rise and follow along. 29 00:45:04,526 --> 00:45:06,546 » [music] 30 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,786 » Oh Canada, [singing and music] 31 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:22,400 our home and native land [music] true 32 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:26,240 love [singing] in [music] all of 33 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:37,359 With glowing [singing] hearts [music] we see 34 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:42,560 the true north strong and [singing] free from [music] 35 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,846 wide open wee [music and singing] 36 00:45:48,411 --> 00:45:51,741 [music] [singing] 37 00:45:53,119 --> 00:46:00,856 glory. [music] We are set and free. 38 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:08,200 Oh, [music] we stand [singing] on guard for 39 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200 the 40 00:46:09,371 --> 00:46:15,266 [singing] we stand on 41 00:46:13,956 --> 00:46:18,680 [music] [singing] the 42 00:46:21,817 --> 00:46:23,837 [clears throat] 43 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:35,200 We embrace our shared responsibility with the First Nations people to take 44 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:39,359 care of this earth and its creatures. We can only do so by walking the path as 45 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,040 partners stewarding this land as we've been given the duty together to live in 46 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:48,319 balance and harmony with all living things. We acknowledge and respect the 47 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:53,839 Inishab Chinctton also known as the neutrals and the Hodnoni peoples who 48 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:57,119 came before us and who we live amongst by honoring this truth of past and 49 00:46:55,839 --> 00:47:02,640 present. May we come to true reconciliation through listening, 50 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,520 reflecting and learning. Before I begin, I would like to take a moment to 51 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:11,040 acknowledge and thank everyone for joining us at this meeting this evening. 52 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,720 We do appreciate your participation as we come together to serve the community. 53 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,160 I ask that we create a welcoming and positive environment for everyone that 54 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:22,880 includes respect, kindness, and inclusion. Together, we can make this 55 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:28,319 meeting space one where those three things are at the heart of everything we 56 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:32,480 do. That this is a safe space. Behavior that is disrespectful, disruptive, 57 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:36,880 aggressive, or intimidating will result in those individuals being asked to 58 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:40,319 leave. Again, as a reminder to council, please ensure you are speaking directly 59 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,640 into the microphone so members of the public, both in the audience and at 60 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:48,079 home, can hear you. I notice when some counselors are speaking, they tend to 61 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:53,200 turn their heads away from the mic towards the audience or towards this the 62 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:58,240 front. When you do that, your voice is not audible to everybody in the room. 63 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,040 This evening we have one external presentation for from Richard Kelly 64 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,240 Roots of GSP Group regarding the recommendation to approve an official 65 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:11,040 plan amendment and zoning bylaw amendment for 8 Scoffield Street. As is 66 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:14,480 our usual practice, we will first hear presentations from consultants and 67 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:20,480 applicants followed by delegations from members of the public before proceeding 68 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:25,839 to consider staff reports. Welcome, Mr. Roots. Are you here? Oh, 69 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:31,319 thank you for joining us. Please note you will have five minutes to address 70 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,319 council this evening. 71 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:40,680 » Thank you, Madame Mayor. If I could have the clerk pull up the presentation 72 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,680 slide. 73 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:47,280 Thank you. Uh good evening, Madame Mayor, members of council and and the 74 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,760 public. My name is Richard Kelly Ritz. I'm a planner at GSP Group and I'm here 75 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:56,400 representing the applicant for the zone change application and official plan 76 00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:01,440 amendment at 8 Scoffield Street. As a highle reminder to council, uh the 77 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:08,280 application is for a 72 unit mid-rise building with five levels of residential 78 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:08,280 and two levels of structured parking. 79 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:24,319 As council may recall, this application was previously um before you at the June 80 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,839 council meeting uh recommended by staff for approval. Uh council deferred the 81 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:31,599 application to allow for additional discussions between um ourselves as the 82 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,240 applicant team and the adjacent property owners. Um those conversations have 83 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:39,119 since occurred uh in July and I can give a high level overview of the outcome of 84 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,119 those conversations in the following slides. 85 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,119 So the two key abuing property owners is O as auto repair garage on Queen Street 86 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:54,240 and then the Legion site immediately next door. Uh so we met with Heather the 87 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:58,160 owner of Auto Repair uh in July here at city hall. Uh discussed at a high level 88 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:02,400 some of the details of the application in terms of when construction might 89 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:07,280 start um outlining uh how much parking is provided and how this how this has 90 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:11,760 been increased from previous proposals. um how the storm water runoff design uh 91 00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:16,240 for the site is meant to contain and direct runoff away from her site. And uh 92 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,520 through our conversations with Heather, it became clear that her primary concern 93 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:24,079 is really just around construction impacts to uh the building itself. Um as 94 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,200 Auto Repair Garage, as many in the community know, has been around a long 95 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,640 time. The building is, I believe, over 100 years old. And she was just 96 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,839 concerned around construction impacts to the building itself, the foundation from 97 00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:38,319 any construction that would happen next door. Um so following our meeting here 98 00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:42,079 at city hall um my client the developer for the eight scopfield site uh 99 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:46,240 committed to Heather that um he would coordinate documenting the existing 100 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,040 condition of her building before any construction would start on uh the eight 101 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,319 scal site. So this really seemed to provide some reassurances to Heather um 102 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,400 that there'd be a point in time reference for the condition of her 103 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:03,359 building um ahead of any construction starting for eight sc. So, um, following 104 00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:06,559 those conversations, I'm reassured and I understand Heather's concerns have been 105 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:12,000 addressed as well. Um, for the zone change application, 106 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:16,720 we met with the Legion board in July as well um, next door uh, at the Legion 107 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,400 property, discussed again some details of the application in terms of when 108 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,200 construction might start, uh, specific construction methods that would be used 109 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,440 such as the underground parking structure being uh, constructed fairly 110 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,800 close to their property line. Uh my understanding of the key legions 111 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,240 concerns was just that they're um making sure for them they want to be involved 112 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:38,640 in the process and that in particular the zone change decision before council 113 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:41,760 this evening is not them um missing the boat or missing some key piece of 114 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:45,760 information. Um through our conversations u clarified that this is 115 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,040 really just the first step in the process. there's still a site plan 116 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,440 application, building uh permits to come. And uh we also made clear that the 117 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,800 Legion will be a partner, a key stakeholder in the project and that 118 00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:01,680 construction really couldn't proceed without their sign off. Um if there's 119 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:06,880 any uh temporary construction works that would occur on their lands, um they 120 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,880 would need to sign off on that. um as well as if there's any uh trees that are 121 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:15,119 being taken off uh removed along the shared property line, uh they would need 122 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:19,200 um permission from the Legion for that as well. Um so they were reassured that 123 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,319 through those future negotiations, discussions with them that any concerns 124 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,880 that they might have going forward could be addressed and that this is still a 125 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,480 very early part of the process. So I'm confident that our discussions 126 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:35,839 with the Legion were productive and addressed their concerns uh for the 127 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:40,319 application before you this evening. I'll lastly mention just for council's 128 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:44,319 information um that any tenants moving into the new rental building at aid 129 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:49,440 Scoffield um would have a noise warning clause uh provided to them advising them 130 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:53,440 of any uh noise impacts that uh from abuing property. So the Legion and Auto 131 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,480 Repair. Uh so this would just make it clear to them up front that they would 132 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:01,359 be aware of any noise sources whether it's from Legion events or the horseshoe 133 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:05,200 pits. I'm just making it clear that um they would know this ahead of time 134 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:08,640 before moving in so that the Legion and Os Repair would could continue their 135 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:12,960 existing operations and wouldn't have to change because of a new building here at 136 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:16,160 a schoolfield. That concludes my remarks. I continue to 137 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,359 be in support of the staff recommendation of approval for the 138 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:27,040 application and I'm available for any further questions of council. Thank you. 139 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:31,280 Before we proceed with questions, um, a reminder to members of council that 140 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:35,680 the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act requires council members to declare any 141 00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:38,480 director and direct uninary interest in relation to a matter under 142 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,520 consideration. Are there any declarations this evening? 143 00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:49,280 Seeing none, councelor. >> So, councelor Dvine, you have a 144 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:53,520 conflict. >> I'm a member of the Hesper Legion. I'm 145 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:56,400 not on the executive, but I am a member of the Hesper Legion. Would that be 146 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,400 considered a conflict? >> No. 147 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,079 » Um, typically, councelor, Madame Mayor, we would advise that you uh reach out to 148 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:11,319 the integrity commissioner for specific advice. 149 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,319 » Do you want me to call him now? 150 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,240 » It's up to you, counselor. 151 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:22,319 » You're not. You're you're allowed to be a member of any organization. I would 152 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,960 think so. Not I'm not on the executive. >> No. 153 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:29,680 » Yeah. Probably everybody in this room is >> there are exemptions within the 154 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,559 municipal conflict of interest act as well that speak to that. 155 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:37,040 » Yeah. >> Councelor Roberts. 156 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,400 » Thanks Mayor Jan through you and thank you for your presentation and thanks for 157 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,319 meeting with the the adjacent property owners. That was great. I just have a 158 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,680 question. And I noticed in your drawing um for your parking, the the lower 159 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,920 parking level and the upper parking level um for some reason you have the 160 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,200 barrierfree spots the furthest away from the elevator. And I'm just a little 161 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:59,760 confused because that means that folks who potentially have mobility concerns 162 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:03,040 would have to navigate through parking where people could be backing out and 163 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,839 driving around to get to the elevator. Was there a specific reason why that was 164 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,800 done that way? I've never seen that before. 165 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,480 » Uh through the mayor to you, Councelor Roberts. Yes, we've received that 166 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:17,200 feedback um already and certainly something we'd address at site plan 167 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,800 approval. The interior layout of the um proposed development, it can always be 168 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,920 refined after the zone change stage. So, yeah, absolutely. We've heard that and 169 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:29,680 we'll we'll look to move it to the front of the building. 170 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:32,400 » Councelor Schwar. >> Thank you, Mayor Ligan. 171 00:55:31,368 --> 00:55:39,200 [cough and clears throat] Um just my question which sorry my 172 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:44,800 throat um is I my just concern with this whole thing is going up the hill and 173 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:49,920 where people are exiting um it's just like a very dangerous section um 174 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:55,440 especially in the winter time. How would that be? Like, have you talked to 175 00:55:52,480 --> 00:56:00,319 anybody? Like, how could you um mediate that? Because in the winter, if they're 176 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:06,160 coming out, you're, you know, somebody's going up the hill and if you know it 177 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:12,000 just it's you got freezing rain, like what safety measures are in place? 178 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:18,079 » Uh through humanity, counselor Shuri. Yes, great question. Um yeah, it is a 179 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,760 very steep hill on on Scoffield. Um there are two parking garage entrances 180 00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:25,599 and exits for the site. One for the lower level and one for the upper level. 181 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,720 Um and yes, certainly I hear you on coming out onto Scoffield Street, how 182 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,079 that might work in terms of ice impacts, things like that. So naturally, the city 183 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,599 would would maintain the road from ICE perspective. But on the private side of 184 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:38,559 the development itself, um that's something that we could explore further 185 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,000 through the site plan approval process, like the more detailed design for the 186 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,160 building. Um, I've seen instances where you could have signage um, warning 187 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,920 vehicles exiting the new building um, you know, to be aware of oncoming 188 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:53,359 traffic. Um, I've seen mirrors used as well. Maybe you've seen those in parking 189 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:57,599 garages that could be concave to give a little bit of a wider view of the street 190 00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:02,240 for oncoming vehicles. So, um, yeah, no commitments at this stage of the process 191 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,040 at the zone change stage, but absolutely I think that is something that should be 192 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:09,440 looked at going forward. Um, I imagine city transportation staff um would also 193 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,720 have some comments on just safety of entering and exiting the site through 194 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:18,280 the the site plan process to come. >> All right. Thank you, 195 00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:18,280 » Councelor Kempson. 196 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:25,200 » Thank you very much, Mayor Jan, and through you. Um, thanks for your 197 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:30,880 presentation and for meeting with the neighboring property owners. Um I'll 198 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:35,440 note that in the presentation um there's mention about the right of way for 199 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:39,599 sidewalks and utilities and it indicates that the updated drawing submitted 200 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,960 include drawings to demonstrate that a sidewalk and utilities could be 201 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:47,839 accommodating within the existing right of way. Have there been any discussions 202 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:52,400 as to whether or not a sidewalk is going to be put in there? And I expect that um 203 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,520 if it could be that would help to address some of councelor Shwer's 204 00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,079 concerns. >> Uh through the mayor, if I could have 205 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:07,960 the clerk pull up the slide deck again. Um and if you're able to go to slide 30, 206 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,960 I could navigate there as well. 207 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,680 I can uh start to answer uh the question. Um yes. So um and city staff 208 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,720 may wish to expand on this further. It's my understanding there are no plans in 209 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,559 the next 10 years at least to build sidewalks on Scoffield Street. Um that 210 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:35,760 being said, it was a priority of the city that we demonstrate that um there 211 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:41,359 is room for a sidewalk on the existing city land um here um if one is 212 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:45,760 constructed in the future. Um, and I can navigate to that slide here. It's a 213 00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:50,400 little further on. Um, but some engineering drawings were prepared as 214 00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:54,799 part of the submission package that demonstrated that on city land there 215 00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:00,160 could be a sidewalk that's shown in blue here on the screen and that's fully on 216 00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:03,359 the the city rightway. So, um, yeah, that was demonstrated that it could be 217 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,720 provided. City staff, engineering, and transportation were satisfied with that 218 00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:11,680 through the resubmission. >> Thank you, 219 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,680 Councelor Hamilton. 220 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,720 Thank you, Mayor Li and through you and thanks very much for your presentation. 221 00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:23,520 I know when the Legion presented to us, excuse me, um they were very uh they 222 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:28,559 stressed that horseshoes was a key element of the activity of the group. Um 223 00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:32,799 can you just reaffirm that on page nine that the clause the type C clause saying 224 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:38,240 sound from these facilities may times be audible. Does that allow their horseshoe 225 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:40,559 um facility to continue as is or are there going to have to be any 226 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,599 alterations to it? >> Uh through the mayor to you, Councelor 227 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:47,040 Hamilton. Yeah, the Legion would be able to continue their horseshoe pits as is. 228 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,880 Uh all residents moving into this new building would be warned of all noise 229 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:54,720 sources from the Legion and uh the auto repair site including horseshoe pits, 230 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,160 events, things like that. So there should be no impact whatsoever to their 231 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,119 ability to continue that going forward. Thank you, 232 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,640 » Councelor Divine. >> Yes, thank you chair. Thank you for your 233 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:10,640 presentation and thank you for meeting with the uh uh the two property owners 234 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:18,160 in either side. I do have a concern. All right. As we know, things run downhill. 235 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:22,559 Gravity is a wonderful thing. What are you going to do 236 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:29,839 to stop water from running down ontos? 237 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:33,599 Because once that right now there's there's no there's no building there 238 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:38,240 obviously. Okay. And the ground will absorb a fair bit because it's it's a 239 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:44,079 treed property. Okay. What are we going to do from from uh water not going down 240 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:48,960 to us? Can you explain that to me please? 241 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:54,240 » Yep. Through the mayor you counselor Divine. Um yeah, [clears throat] one of 242 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:58,000 the benefits of being able to redesign a site um like this for new development is 243 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:02,880 that you can have a lot more control over where storm water goes. Yes, the 244 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:05,760 site is vegetated treed today. Um but there still would be some uncontrolled 245 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:11,119 runoff that would go from this property onto auto repair garage. Um with this 246 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:15,920 site, the rain water would be caught um on the roof of the building and then 247 01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:20,720 funneled out onto the municipal um storm system onto Scoffield Street. So, 248 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:24,160 because the building is um you know a hard surface, it would be able to 249 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,760 capture most of the water that um falls onto the site since the building covers 250 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,720 most of the property and then funnel that right out onto Scoffield Street. 251 01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:37,040 The um if we look on the top left of the screen here, the table and just in that 252 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:42,160 5-year column, [snorts] the top number is how much water is flowing currently 253 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:46,079 from Scoffield onto Odds Auto Repair and the number at the bottom is how much is 254 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,440 projected to flow there post development. So you can see it's a 255 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,559 pretty significant reduction and that's just because there's much more of an 256 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:56,480 ability to control where storm water is is running when you're building the site 257 01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,079 like this. >> Okay. Thank you. Because if that if that 258 01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:04,960 gets flooded that would just be disaster for them with the equipment in there. 259 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:10,000 All right. Thank you. >> Um Mr. Kelly Roots when you speak I 260 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:16,160 think it was slide eight um to do with your conversations with the Legion. Um 261 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:20,960 you spoke about uh future construction related agreements will be required. Is 262 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:27,040 there a paper trail on this currently? like are there, you know, you you're 263 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:33,119 standing up there saying it, but what what type of conversations on paper have 264 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,799 you had with the Legion that will assure them that you're going to do this and 265 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:41,920 that will assure staff and ourselves that you're going to 266 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,280 have these conversations and um with them and and that their concerns are 267 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:49,040 going to be addressed. >> Yeah. To you, Madame Mayor. So yes, all 268 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:53,040 of this um was communicated with them by email following our our conversation 269 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:56,799 with them in person in July. um in terms of committing to future construction 270 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:01,040 related agreements. Um the key thing as I mentioned during my presentation is 271 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:05,920 that um you know today whether there's a paper trail or not like the reality is 272 01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:10,720 there will need to be like the legion will have to sign off on um future 273 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:15,280 construction for a Scoffield because the site needs the legion to proceed. Um 274 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:20,160 whether it's um temporary construction works on their site um they would have 275 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,039 to get the legion's permission for that. removing trees that are on the shared 276 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:28,799 property line. The Legion would have to sign off on that. So, in other words, um 277 01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:33,039 this the construction for a lot of it will run through the Legion and they'll 278 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:35,920 have an opportunity um to make sure that all of their concerns are addressed. So, 279 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:40,079 the construction couldn't proceed without their sign off and their sign 280 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,440 off um they've reiterated, you know, they wouldn't naturally sign off unless 281 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:47,119 they're um assured that all their concerns have been addressed. 282 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:50,760 » Okay. Thank you. I see no more questions. Thank you. 283 01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:04,000 Okay. So, next up we have some delegations. We have um Don Hoskins. Uh 284 01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:12,599 are you in the room? >> Oh, sorry. She's virtual. Um she is 285 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,599 speaking on the same item. 286 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:20,480 » Hello. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. Can you speak louder 287 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:24,960 though? >> Yes. Sorry. Can you hear me now? 288 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:28,480 » Yes, we can. Welcome, Don. You'll have five minutes. 289 01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:32,240 » Okay, thank you. >> Good evening, Mayor Liot, council, city 290 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,680 staff, and members of our community. My name is Don Hoskins, and I live directly 291 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,359 across from this proposed development on Courtney Street. I have stood before 292 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:42,240 council a few times prior. However, my concerns still remain. I strongly 293 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,440 disagree with city staff's recommendation to approve this 294 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,520 development and recommend council reject it. I want to focus on safety, 295 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,280 accessibility, parking, and lastly, the environment and placemaking. Milfield 296 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,359 Street is steep, narrow, and without sidewalks, presenting multiple hazards. 297 01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:01,440 Traffic on Queen Street is already quite steady, and increasing population here 298 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,880 will significantly amplify that. We need to consider the additional challenges 299 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:09,200 for emergency crew, especially large fire trucks, a problem that we already 300 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:13,839 know is a current threat to operations. This May, our fire chief, Damon Jameson, 301 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:17,839 with 34 years of emergency experience, address concerns, citing, "We need to 302 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:21,920 work collectively and help mitigate the overlooked challenges that newer 303 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:25,200 subdivisions and narrow streets afford," highlighting a concerning trend and 304 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:29,280 issue with narrow streets and denser housing. While there are plans for 305 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:33,039 future sidewalks, those are a decade out and appear to encroach on the existing 306 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,880 roadway, causing further narrowing. Scoffield is a huge slip and fall risk 307 01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:40,720 with or without sidewalks and keeping them clear with more road salt risks our 308 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:45,200 sensitive waterways via runoff and the sensitive ecosystem of the Speed River 309 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:48,880 just downhill. This slope presents a hazard to traffic moving both up and 310 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:53,359 down the hill, especially in slippery conditions. Parking is an ongoing issue 311 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:56,640 for residents in our city as a whole. On street parking has recently been limited 312 01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,880 in the nearby neighborhood. This compounds further when we have events at 313 01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:04,079 the Allegiance or film crew. At those times, our roads and surrounding 314 01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:07,839 neighborhood often have bumper-to-bumper parking and an increase in traffic as 315 01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:11,680 guests look for availability. This further narrows roadways, increases risk 316 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:16,240 to pedestrians, and decreases accessibility for emergency crew. 317 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,520 Lastly, but just as important, we must consider the environmental and 318 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:23,440 placemaking impacts that developing this land will have. Thanks to the site's 319 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:27,280 unique topography, the existing mature trees tower over Green Street. This 320 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:31,200 provides a sense of place for those entering the central corridor to our 321 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:36,000 Hesler core and business area. The mature trees also provide free ecosystem 322 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:39,599 services and aren't simply replaceable. Sure, trees can be planted elsewhere, 323 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,920 but there's a large gap in time for them to reach maturity and provide the same 324 01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:47,839 level of service as the trees there now. This little slice of mature urban forest 325 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,680 offers a buffer zone for wildlife, one that is very active and that I have 326 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,599 directly seen and been a very small part of. Let me share a quick story about 327 01:06:53,680 --> 01:07:00,559 that by introducing you to our resident groundhog Hogy. I promise that this is 328 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:03,839 relevant. 2025 was our first year with a little creature. And he was a 329 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,599 bittersweet guest. On the one part, he reminded me of my dear late grandmother, 330 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:11,680 as we would always go see groundhogs on groundhog day. On the other hand, he was 331 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:15,520 a ravenous feast who wasn't shy about making my vegetable garden his own 332 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,319 personal feast. Least to say, in the early days, after all the trouble that 333 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,720 comes with seed starting and tending a vegetable garden, I was not impressed. 334 01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:26,640 After some troubleshooting, probably a bad choice of words, we figured out how 335 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,799 to coexist. I left a small patch of clovers for him to mow and put out some 336 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:34,880 fencing along the pride's vegetables, giving him some here and there when our 337 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,400 harvest was abundant. In the final days of summer, as weather started to cool, 338 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:42,559 our neighbors sent us a photo of Hogi on the loose. He was heading off our 339 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,680 property and into the great beyond. My partner and I were a little sad to see 340 01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:50,160 him go and hoped to see him the following spring. We were relieved to 341 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:54,240 see him return. We now understand that our home is his summer den providing 342 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:58,240 food and safety while that forest slated for development is his winter den 343 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,119 providing shelter and cover during hibernation. I pride myself in taking 344 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,880 every opportunity I can to help make my backyard function as part of the 345 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:10,559 ecosystem. We leave a pile of leaves for winter critters, delay spring yard work 346 01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:15,280 and the sort. Our yard is an active wildlife hub full of birds, bees, 347 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:19,440 fireflies, and even the odd toad. Part of that vivaceious activity has been in 348 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:23,120 part thanks to Hogi as his home that forest has housed a variety of other 349 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:27,520 creatures and his services play an undeniable role in our ecosystem. His 350 01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:32,480 presence has now become a welcome part in our routine. 351 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:36,239 Our city needs safe, affordable housing, something this development does not seem 352 01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:40,560 to provide. Second to that, this development threatens current and future 353 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:44,799 resident safety, road access, and will remove mature trees that provide free 354 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:49,359 ecosystem services, water control, including that from properties at higher 355 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,600 elevation and play a significant role in placemaking. I will kindly ask council 356 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:57,440 to review the writeups, photos, and videos submitted prior, highlighting 357 01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:02,560 these issues and beyond. We have a surplus of land available beyond 2015. 358 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,880 This land is not needed as development, but rather to continue serving its 359 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:11,279 existing function and purpose. I thank you greatly for your time and 360 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:15,040 consideration. >> Thank you, Don. Are there any questions 361 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:19,040 for Don? >> I see none. Thank you. 362 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:25,199 » Thank you. >> Next up, Melissa Derell with BU Urban 363 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:29,600 regarding a motion reducing costs and delays in development approvals. You 364 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:33,052 have no presentation. Correct, Melissa? >> Thank you. Great. Okay, you have five 365 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:36,560 minutes. [clears throat] 366 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:40,560 » Excuse me. Well, good evening, Mayor Liot, members of council, staff, and 367 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:44,960 community members. My name is Melissa Durl, and I'm the executive officer of 368 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:49,839 Build Urban, a group representing nearly 20 urban, residential, and commercial 369 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:54,239 developers. I'm here today to urge council to support Council Schwar's 370 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:58,239 motion to reduce costs and delays in the planning process. First, I'd like to 371 01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:03,280 thank councelor Sherry for bringing this motion forward. In the development 372 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:07,040 industry, time is money. Governments at every level have taken steps to address 373 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:12,159 the financial side of housing, from reducing development charges to cutting 374 01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:17,360 HST for first-time home buyers, and the planning approvals process deserves the 375 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:22,880 same attention. Every month, a project sits in approvals process adds costs, 376 01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:27,199 financing, property taxes, and consultant fees. City staff have a 377 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,920 responsibility to conduct thorough reviews and ensure applications meet the 378 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,480 city standards and we support that. What our members are asking for is greater 379 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:42,239 clarity. Why an additional study is required, what it's meant to address, 380 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:46,719 and what it adds in time and cost. That brings me to the issue that's become 381 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:52,400 increasingly challenging for our members and a key component of this motion, 382 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:56,719 which is thirdparty peer reviews. In simple terms, a developer submits an 383 01:10:54,719 --> 01:11:02,159 application supported by professional studies prepared by qualified engineers, 384 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,600 consultants, and other experts. Those materials are then reviewed as part of 385 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,640 the city's development and approval process. 386 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:13,440 However, sometimes during that review, the city requires the developer to pay 387 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:18,800 for another consultant to independently review that work that a qualified 388 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:22,719 professional has already completed. There may be circumstances where an 389 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,719 additional review is warranted and we understand that. Our concern is when 390 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,440 peer review becomes an added layer without a clear explanation of why it's 391 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:35,679 necessary or what specific gap it's meant to close. We're increasingly 392 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:40,560 seeing these reviews requested across the region for heritage, engineering, 393 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:44,640 wind, sound, and environmental studies. And the cost can be significant. 394 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:49,760 Developers pay once to have the work done and again to have it reviewed. When 395 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:54,400 the resulting changes are minor or don't meaningfully change the outcome, it 396 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:59,040 raises a fair question. Is the added cost and delay justified by the value it 397 01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:03,600 provides? The motion answers that question the right way. It asks staff to 398 01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:08,080 track whether each peer review resulted in a material change to the proposed 399 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:12,480 development. And that's the right test. If a review changes the outcome, it did 400 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:16,560 its job. If it doesn't, council deserves to know that, too. 401 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,159 We also support the expanded quarterly reporting on development activity and 402 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:24,800 the service review of the planning process proposed for 2027. This work 403 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,199 will bring transparency to a process that's difficult to measure from the 404 01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:33,040 outside. It will help council understand not just how long approvals are taking 405 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:37,360 but why and whether the time and money spent throughout the process are 406 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:42,320 delivering better outcomes. So from Bill Durban, we urge council to support this 407 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:48,600 motion and I thank you for your time. Are there any questions? 408 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,600 I see none. Thank you, Melissa. 409 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:55,679 So, that concludes this evening's de delegations. Before we proceed with the 410 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,920 remaining agenda items this evening, we will return to the unfinished business 411 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:05,120 from the June 23rd council meeting regarding report 26-040 412 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,920 PG, recommendation to approve an official plan amendment and zoning by 413 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:13,120 amendment for 8 Scoffield Street. Council has heard an external 414 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:17,679 presentation this evening from Richard Kelly Roots of GSP Group who provided 415 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:21,840 supplementary information regarding follow-up discussions with adjacent 416 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,679 property owners to 8 Scull Scoffield Street. You have also heard from the 417 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:30,000 delegates again tonight regarding this matter. We will now put the motion on 418 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:36,400 the floor to permit questions and comments and councelor Schwer. Oh, wait 419 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:40,239 a minute. And I asked council to be brief with comments and questions to 420 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:47,080 cons en ensure that we can get through all the business on tonight's agenda. 421 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,080 Council Schwer, you have that motion. 422 01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:04,800 » No. Thank you, Mayor Leot. U moved by myself, seconded by councelor Kimson to 423 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:10,080 the recommendation is to approve the proposed official plan amendment for 8 424 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:16,159 Scoffield Street to redesate the lands from lowmedium density residential to 425 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:20,719 highdensity residential and approve the proposed zoning bylaw amendment for 8 426 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:27,120 Scullfield Street to reszone the property from institutional multiple 427 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:31,679 residential N1 RM3 to residential R3 with sight specific specific provisions 428 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:38,159 to permit an eight-story building with 72 residential units and direct the city 429 01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:45,159 clerk to present the draft bylaws attached in appendix D and E to report 430 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,159 26-040-PG 431 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:53,360 to council for enactment. >> Are there any questions? 432 01:14:51,280 --> 01:15:01,159 Any comments? Okay, we will go straight to the vote. 433 01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:01,159 Opening voting. 434 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,520 » Closing voting that carries unanimously. 435 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,840 » We will be going to the consent agenda, but the two finance reports on that 436 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,040 » I can see. >> Oh, sorry. 437 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,800 » Yep. Sorry, Madame Mayor. Through you. I just wanted to clarify that um we're 438 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:32,320 pulling two items from the consent agenda listed as 11.6 and 11.7 and they 439 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:37,800 will be forwarded to a council meeting expected to take place on September 440 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,800 15th, 2026. 441 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:48,320 Are there any other items you'd wish to have pulled from the consent agenda 442 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:55,080 tonight? I see none. So, councelor Hamilton, can 443 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,080 you put the consent agenda on the floor? 444 01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:00,239 » Thank you, Mayor Lan through you. It's moved by myself and seconded by 445 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:04,480 councelor Schwerry. Recommendation that all items listed under the heading of 446 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:08,960 consent agenda for August 25th, 2026 be adopted as recommended. Item 11.1, 447 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:14,400 council meeting workshop minutes, February 9th, 2026. 11.2, Planning 448 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:21,840 Statutory Public Meeting Minutes, July 14th, 2026. 11.3 Council Meeting Minutes 449 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:28,000 July 21st, 2026. 11.4 Council Information Package, August 7th, 2026. 450 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:34,159 11.5 Council Information Package, July 24th, 2026. 451 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:39,679 11.8 26-069-PG Remove development restriction 2011 and 452 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:44,880 217 Hesler Road holding removal application 453 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:49,280 11.9 26-071-PG. Enact heritage designation with property 454 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,280 owners consent. 11.1026-024-C 455 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:59,400 supplementary noise exemption approvals 11.1126-073-PG 456 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:08,000 20 Oldmill Road Heritage Permit application 457 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:13,440 11.12 26-075-PG create new lots on Sage Drive part 458 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:19,840 control exemption application. and item 11.13 special council meeting workshop 459 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:24,040 minutes August 13 2026. >> Okay, we will call for that vote. 460 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,440 » Opening voting. 461 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,280 » Closing voting 462 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:40,880 that carries unanimously. >> We will now move into consideration of 463 01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:45,520 reports and this evening we have three reports before us. The first item is 464 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:53,360 26-072PG, fence variance application F126- 465 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:57,600 331 Salisbury Avenue. And uh our director of planning, Bren Neily, will 466 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:01,000 introduce this item. Welcome, Bren. 467 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:11,440 » Thank you, mayor and counselors. This report considers a fence variance 468 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:16,000 application as noted for 331 Salisbury Avenue to permit a 2.4 meter high fence 469 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:20,640 where a maximum height of 2.1 is permitted. Fence various variances are 470 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:24,719 typically approved under delegated authority. However, applications are 471 01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:29,040 referred to council when objections are received through the circulation 472 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:33,040 process. The requested increase is intended to improve privacy due to the 473 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:37,520 property's higher elevation related to adjacent lots. And staff have reviewed 474 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,280 the application and determined that the proposal is appropriate and compatible 475 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:44,920 with the surrounding neighborhood and approval is recommended. 476 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:54,640 » Councelor Roberts. Thank you, Mayor Jan, and through you 477 01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:57,600 and thank you, Bren, for your presentation. I have a couple questions, 478 01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:01,199 but I'll I'll just start with the one. So, you mentioned that the elevation was 479 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:04,640 different. Um, one of the concerns from the neighboring property was that it 480 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:09,280 didn't seem to be necessary. Could you speak a little bit more to that? Is this 481 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:13,920 necessary to have this increased height of this fence here 482 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:18,480 » through you, mayor? Um, it was deemed warranted in that there is quite a 483 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:23,400 significant elevation change among the property owners um in the surrounding 484 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,400 vicinity. 485 01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:28,159 » Councelor Hamilton. Thank you, Mayor Lean through you. 486 01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:33,280 Thanks very much, Bren, for your presentation. I'm just curious why our 487 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:37,120 fence height is about 30 cmters lower than Kitcher and Wateroo. Is there an 488 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:41,040 historical reason why our fences aren't higher? See how the expression good 489 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:46,239 fences make good neighbors? So, what's to do with the discrepancy? 490 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:50,080 » Through you, Madame Mayor, the the matter of uh the zoning and height 491 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:55,360 provisions are a matter of local importance. I don't know the specific 492 01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:59,840 history here in Cambridge. Um, but it's certainly worth something taking a look 493 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:04,719 at in terms of consistency with our surrounding area municipalities. And I 494 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:10,800 will note that there will be a phase two of the updated zoning bylaw undertaken 495 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:15,520 um in the not too distant future and a part of that will include consistency 496 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,719 with other area municipalities. Okay. 497 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,880 » Thank you, >> Councelor Roberts. 498 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:25,600 » Thanks, Mayor Jan. through you. Um, one of the other concerns was the safety of 499 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:29,199 the way that the fence has been built. Would you be able to speak to that? Is 500 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:32,960 it going to be made safe? I guess there's nails poking out or something 501 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:37,760 that might be unsafe there. >> Through you, Madame Mayor. As part of 502 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:42,400 the recommendation, staff have included conditions requiring that any exposed 503 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:46,719 nails be corrected for that safety provision. I'll also note there was 504 01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:51,360 comment regarding damage to private property or utility lines, but staff 505 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:55,920 have not received any evidence to substantiate those concerns. 506 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:59,760 » Okay. Thank you, >> Councelor Cooper. 507 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,920 » Yes. Thank you, Mayor. If you p see on page 194, you see the discrepancy 508 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:08,080 between the fences. I'm thinking from a visual perspective here. You've basic, 509 01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:14,400 you know, you've got stepped fencing. If this were approved, um, would the 510 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:19,760 neighbors that have a shorter fence buted up against it, would they be also 511 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:25,840 permitted to raise their single fence up to the same height so it isn't stepped 512 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:30,400 like that should they choose to? >> Through you, Madame Mayor. Um, every 513 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:35,760 property owner is entitled to apply for a variance of the zoning provisions and 514 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:40,640 certainly it is common that um, individual property owners have their 515 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:46,080 distinctive preferred fence style. So inconsistency among surrounding property 516 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:49,960 owners is fairly common in urban environments such as this. 517 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:58,080 Okay, I see no more questions. Councelor Roberts, could you put the motion on the 518 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,080 floor, please? 519 01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:05,360 Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved by myself, seconded by councelor Kimson. 520 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:10,639 Recommendation to approve the proposed fence variance for 331 Salisbury Avenue 521 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:15,280 to permit a fence height of 2.4 meters between the established building line 522 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:21,400 and rear lot line of the property as shown in appendix A subject to the 523 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,400 condition noted in this report. 524 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:27,520 » Thank you. Are there any comments or further questions? 525 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:32,400 Seeing none, we'll put the motion on the floor. 526 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:35,800 » Sorry, we'll go to the vote. >> Opening voting. 527 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:43,560 » Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 528 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:51,120 The next report for consideration tonight is 26-066 529 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:55,520 PG Hesper Road Corridor Secondary Plan, OPA 102 recommendation. 530 01:22:53,760 --> 01:23:00,440 and our director of planning, Bren Neely, will also introduce this item. 531 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:09,840 Thank you, mayor. This report presents the Hesper Road Corridor Secondary Plan, 532 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:14,400 which is a transformative vision for one of Cambridge's most important urban 533 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:18,800 corridors. Building on extensive public consultation and council's consideration 534 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:24,159 most recently at the statutory public meeting held May 12th, 2026, the plan 535 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:29,440 establishes a long-term framework to guide the growth, transit investment, 536 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:34,239 housing, employment, parks, and public realm improvements. It charts a path for 537 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:39,440 Hespler Road to evolve into a vibrant mixeduse transit supportive corridor 538 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:44,239 where people can live, work, shop, and connect, supporting a more complete, 539 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:48,000 sustainable, and prosperous Cambridge. As the plan largely reflects the 540 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:53,120 presentation given on May 12th, there's no formal presentation to be presented 541 01:23:50,560 --> 01:24:00,040 by staff today. However, staff are here and happy to answer any questions that 542 01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:00,040 council may have regarding this plan. 543 01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:17,120 Okay. Uh, councelor Divine. >> Yes. Thank you through the chair. Uh, I 544 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:21,440 wasn't here May 12th. I was I was fishing. 545 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:25,520 Okay. Uh, well done document. But there's a supplementary document that's 546 01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:31,679 been handed out here that I don't I don't quite understand. 547 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:38,840 Okay. Okay. It refers to um 112, 122, and 128 Pine Bush Road. 548 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,840 Can you tell me what that's about? 549 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:51,520 through uh through the mayor. Staff are aware that um a developer within that 550 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:57,840 vicinity has um reached out and engaged on consideration of a motion to amend 551 01:24:55,040 --> 01:25:00,800 properties along Pine Bush Road there in that location. 552 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:04,719 » Okay. But Pine Bush Road is not considered part of this plan. Am I 553 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:09,920 correct in saying that? through the mayor. There is a portion of 554 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:13,199 Pine Bush Road that covers the um northeastern portion of the secondary 555 01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,239 plan area. Yes. >> Okay. But it wouldn't be on these three 556 01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:20,480 addresses. Is that correct? This is an addition 557 01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:24,320 » through the mayor. Those lands are within the secondary plan. My 558 01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:28,880 understanding is that there's a desire to have council consider a different 559 01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:32,800 designation than the one that staff have recommended. 560 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:38,080 » Okay. I think I'm going to need an explanation on this from someone. Thank 561 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:41,560 you for that because that's a word too. Thank Thank you. 562 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:49,960 » Councelor Divine, you want the explanation now? We have the staff here. 563 01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:49,960 That should be the one 564 01:25:53,120 --> 01:26:00,639 » through the mayor. I understand that there may be a motion that council is 565 01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:06,440 considering and um that would be I think instructive to the discussion to provide 566 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,440 that explanation. 567 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:26,349 » Thank you to you, Madame Mayor. Um, what I might recommend is that we put the 568 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:29,120 staff recommended motion on the floor [snorts] and then I understand that we 569 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:32,560 have a potential amendment from councelor Shiry so we could then add 570 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:37,159 that amendment to the floor and then that would be the appropriate time to 571 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,159 have that discussion. 572 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:45,199 » Councelor Roberts, >> thank you Mayor Jan um and through you 573 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:48,320 and thank you Bin and all your staff for all your hard work on this. I know it's 574 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:54,159 been a long time coming. Um I just have a question about sort of the rigidity or 575 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:59,199 flexibility of this plan. So is this one of these sort of fluid documents that um 576 01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:05,840 you know we can have a look at current economic climate or changes in um you 577 01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:09,360 know land use needs. So, for example, if there's an area that's being used for 578 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,880 industrial that maybe that changes and we can have a look at that later down 579 01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:17,679 the road depending on the, you know, where we're at because as we know things 580 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:21,360 change rapidly um when it comes to political stuff. Um is that you know is 581 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:26,639 that an opportunity that we will have down the road or once we pass this it's 582 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:31,199 kind of set until I believe it's 201 I believe it goes still something like 583 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:37,040 that. What how does this document work >> through the mayor? The the secondary 584 01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:43,120 plan is going to be a document of council. Should council approve the 585 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:48,800 recommended secondary plan today, it continues to be a living document with 586 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:54,639 council. If council feels there's a need to re-evaluate any aspect of the plan, 587 01:27:52,400 --> 01:28:00,560 staff would welcome a motion from council directing staff to do further 588 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:07,840 work or reconsider what is proposed. So while this visions envisions a long-term 589 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:13,040 um um setting for the Hesper road corridor is not locked in stone. It is 590 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,520 open to amendment over time as council sees fit. 591 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,520 » Perfect. Thank you. 592 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:26,480 Councelor Shwary. Uh thank you, Mayor. And actually, uh councelor 593 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:32,480 uh Roberts just asked my question, uh that I wanted it to be public so people 594 01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:38,400 know that things can change. It's it's not set in stone. And um you know, we 595 01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:45,360 can change the drive-thrus uh specific use designations 596 01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:52,000 and maybe density changes uh to be able to listen to the market demand. 597 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:56,639 » Councelor Hamilton. >> Thank you, Mayor through you and thanks 598 01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:01,440 again, Bren, for your presentation. Um I know in part of the the aspiration for 599 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,280 transportation down HPA road um stage 2 ion light rail transit LRT is part of 600 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:09,440 the plan and it forms a substantial component of transportation and I know 601 01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:15,040 that's out of the city's hands. Uh it's regional and they're moving on to the 602 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:19,760 the business case. What happens if that doesn't occur? How flexible is the 603 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:27,440 planning for transportation and the plan if LRT doesn't end up going down HP road 604 01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:31,360 » through the mayor um accepting that there's some uncertainty built around 605 01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:37,520 the ION I think it's critical that the city recognizes that regardless of the 606 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:43,199 future or the timing of the ion HP road corridor is a major public 607 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:45,920 transportation route and we really want to make sure that we're creating a 608 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:51,840 development pattern that sure potentially um will 609 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:57,280 support higher order transit down the road, but also today the development 610 01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:01,120 patterns that are supportive of Grand River Transit, supporting their 611 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:05,840 ridership, helping them build justification to further make 612 01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:09,440 improvements of that important bus route that currently is traveling up and down 613 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:13,679 Hespler Road Corridor. >> And one quick followup may thank you. So 614 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:18,400 would I be correct in saying that the LRT would help to facilitate the goals 615 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:25,440 of the plan in bringing those people the greater density to that central corridor 616 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:31,040 » through the mayor the the ion and transit oriented development focused on 617 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:36,639 that certainly kind of puts um a higher level of interest in investment as a 618 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:42,639 result of that infrastructure coming in. Regardless, we know that investment in 619 01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:49,040 transit oriented development is great for existing transit systems as they are 620 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:55,040 in place today and becomes that sort of mutually beneficial system of improving 621 01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:59,280 ridership and in doing so improving service that's offered in doing so 622 01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:03,199 supporting a greater intensity of housing. It's all sort of 623 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:05,760 self-fulfilling. >> Thank you. There are a lot of pieces to 624 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:10,320 the puzzle. Just trying to see how they fit. Thank you. [snorts] 625 01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:14,520 » Councelor Shwer, can you put the revised staff motion on the floor, please? 626 01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:44,480 Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Leget. Um moved by myself, seconded by councelor 627 01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:49,679 Ernshaw, uh to approve the official plan amendment 102 for the Hesler Road 628 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:53,239 Corridor Secondary Plan attached to report 26-066-PG 629 01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:01,560 as appendix A and B with the following modifications to policy 21.54.1.5 630 01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:12,159 uh and five demonstrations may be required. ired when major developments 631 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:16,800 such as commercial path sites exceeding 1,860 632 01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:22,320 square meters or mixeduse buildings including residential or freestanding 633 01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:27,760 residential development is proposed. Demonstration plans are not required for 634 01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:33,040 renovations, expansion, replacement or reconfiguration of existing buildings on 635 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:38,400 site, including the mall building. Demonstration plans may be prepared for 636 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:44,960 sub areas of the site and will generally display the following where applicable. 637 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:50,639 A locations, uses and mass massing of buildings and development blocks. B 638 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:57,120 location size and configuration of public spaces, parkland and open spaces. 639 01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:02,960 C. Location and layout of public and or private streets. D. build form 640 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:08,480 transition to adjacent development and or e location and layout of parking 641 01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:12,400 areas and I have an amendment. 642 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:15,280 » Is this when I say it or >> Yes, if you could put the amendment on 643 01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:20,960 the floor and then we'll do the questions and comments and uh st if 644 01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:26,960 council can keep their that to the uh amendment please. 645 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:32,480 Do I need a speaker? >> Okay. So, my amendment is that the um 646 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:38,080 official plan amendment 102 and the Hespler Road Corridor secondary plan 647 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:41,639 contain contained in appendix B to report 26-066-PG 648 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:51,360 be modified prior to adoption as follows. that schedule B land use plan 649 01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:57,920 be amended to redesate the lands municipally known as 112 650 01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:03,679 and 128 Pine Bush Road together with block 7 to midrise residential 651 01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:09,120 consistent with the proposed midrise residential designation of adjacent 652 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:15,760 block 8 and that a sightsp specific policy be added to section 21 653 01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:21,440 uh 5.1 154 654 01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:28,239 sight specific policies for 1122 and 128 Pine Bush Road block 7 and block 655 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:35,440 8 to provide that notwithstanding table 21-1 and section 21 656 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:40,880 5.6.3 6.3. Residential development on these lands shall be subject to a 657 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:45,840 minimum density of 40 units per hectare rather than 60 units per hectare. And 658 01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:51,280 that the final density, height, and build form of development on these lands 659 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:56,639 be determined through the applicable development approval process having 660 01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:01,199 regard to sight specific conditions, compatibility, servicing, 661 01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:06,000 transportation, infrastructure, urban design, public realm, and other 662 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:11,040 applicable requirements. and that schedule B and any other applicable 663 01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:14,920 schedules, figures, tables, and policies be modified accordingly. 664 01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:25,159 Do you have a secondary councelor Meta? 665 01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,159 Are there 666 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,800 uh Bren, do you want to speak to this before we go to questions? 667 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:46,960 uh through the mayor through you mayor. The uh motion that's on the floor now 668 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:52,639 relates to a series of properties with mixed ownership. We know that some of 669 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:56,960 the parcels are presently owned by the same developer who has already developed 670 01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:03,120 the residential properties immediately to the north of the properties that 671 01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:09,199 councelor Shweri has referred to. We also know that within those blocks there 672 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:16,080 are two parcels that are currently owned by other private land owners and those 673 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:21,040 properties are being operated as um um commercial other private operations that 674 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:26,719 are not residentialbased. And so, uh, just to be aware that the 675 01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:32,719 motion that councelor Shere has put on the floor will affect the land use 676 01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:38,080 opportunities both of the residential developer who owns those lands as well 677 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:41,480 as those other um, commercial property owner operators. 678 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:50,119 » Councelor Divine. >> Yes. Thank you through the chair. these 679 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:50,119 three properties in question. 680 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:57,440 Can we withdraw these from the motion till we actually figure out what they 681 01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:04,080 are? Okay. All they are to me all they are is 682 01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:09,520 addresses in ward two. Okay. Um I don't know if one of these is the car club or 683 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:15,440 what it is. Um, if somebody could give me some clarity on what 112, 122, and 684 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:21,119 128 are, but I don't. All they are is numbers 685 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:27,280 through the mayor. The properties that are owned by other private owners who 686 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:33,520 are not the residential development um, owner of the surrounding properties, 687 01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:40,800 those are 122 and 128 Pine Bush. So, just to restate that 122 and 128 Pine 688 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:44,520 Bush are properties owned not by residential development. 689 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,520 » They're business. >> So, councelor Divine, you're still 690 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:52,560 wanting to know what those >> Yes, I'd like to know there. 691 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,639 » So, is there anybody in the room who can tell us what those properties are, 692 01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:59,360 please? >> Through you, Mayor. Uh Melissa Castellan 693 01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:03,040 Alden can answer that question. >> Thank you. 694 01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:09,119 » Good evening. through you, Madame Mayor. The um letter from Brandt Haven Homes um 695 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:13,119 their consultant, Selinka Priamo, is included in the council package and has 696 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:19,679 a um map showing the subject lands. 128 um 697 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:26,159 Pine Bush is the car club. >> Okay. [clears throat] 698 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:30,719 » And 122 is immediately to the west. >> I would suggest we take these out until 699 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:34,520 we get some clarification on it. That's what I would suggest. 700 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,480 » Um, so to be clear, councelor Divine, are you proposing an amendment to the 701 01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,480 amendment? >> Yes. 702 01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:43,760 » Okay. >> Second, 703 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:51,760 » we can always put this in later. >> Do you have a seconder? 704 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:54,080 » Council specificity for how he speaks. 705 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:58,400 » We're going to have to get the wording on your amendment. Councelor Divine. Are 706 01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:01,360 you prepared to do that now or? >> Sure. Okay. Do you want to take two 707 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:06,199 minutes? >> Two minutes and we'll Yeah. Thank you. 708 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:25,159 I don't have the wording yet. >> Oh, you don't have the wording yet? 709 01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:25,159 Okay. Forget I just did that. 710 01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:04,800 Okay. So, that was all very confusing, but we have come up with a solution and 711 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:08,080 the clerk, deputy clerk will explain what's going to happen. 712 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:12,480 » Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you. Uh so after conferring with staff and 713 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:15,760 councelor Divine um he's not going to introduce a secondary amendment to 714 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:19,840 councelor Shuy's amendment. He's just going to speak now um to [snorts] his 715 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:23,960 opinion on the amendment which will accomplish what he was trying to 716 01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,960 accomplish. 717 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:33,119 » Councelor Schwear, you want to speak to your amendment? Not councelor Divine's 718 01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:38,159 amendment but your own because the councelor Divine has 719 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:42,320 withdrawn his amendment. Yes. I just want to explain my 720 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:45,520 amendment. >> Okay. Could we go to qu the rest of the 721 01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:50,080 questions first? >> Oh, of course. Councelor uh councelor 722 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,080 Ameda, you have a question to do with the 723 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:55,679 » Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Jan. I don't. I just want to quickly say I have 724 01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:00,119 an amendment, but it's an entirely new amendment. I'm just letting you know. 725 01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:06,639 » Okay. This is the problem when when counselors bring amendments at the last 726 01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:11,440 minute or the last day. All of this could have been avoided if this had been 727 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:16,800 done days ago. This is why staff is constantly saying, "Please come to us 728 01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:23,880 when you have amendments." So, now we've got a big shimazle on the 729 01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:23,880 floor. Councelor Divine. 730 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:28,639 » Thank you. Is the mic on? >> Mhm. 731 01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:34,480 » Okay. What I'm asking for is 732 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:40,320 of councel to turn down this amendment. That's what 733 01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:47,600 I'm asking to turn down the amendment. This is in word two. All right. And 734 01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:52,320 after a proper investigation, okay, and I I will check into it. If I 735 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:59,679 have to bring this back in this form, I will do that. I will do 736 01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:04,400 that. Ask I'm asking council 737 01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:10,080 to turn this down because it's not appropriate at this time. This word too 738 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:16,080 um a couple couple of these buildings I know. So I'm asking council to turn it 739 01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:18,639 down. Thank you. >> Councelor Hamilton speaking to the 740 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:22,080 amendment. >> Uh yes, mayor. They get through. I have 741 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,679 a question about the amendment. It might be an answer from staff, but what 742 01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:30,639 exactly would be the difference between density of 40 units per hectare and 60 743 01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:35,600 units per hectare that the amendment is asking for? And would that conflict 744 01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:41,199 significantly with the plan? >> Through the mayor to councelor Hamilton, 745 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:46,320 the um proposed densities in the secondary plan, our recommended density 746 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:50,560 of 60 helps us to achieve um the required density requirements for a 747 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:56,719 major transit station area. They're also representative of the stacked townhouse. 748 01:49:53,360 --> 01:50:01,199 The houses form that are on the residential portion of the that property 749 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:06,080 currently. So, it's really just an extension of the existing development. 750 01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:11,440 If you go down to 40 um units per hectare, you're at a low density um 751 01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:18,080 development form in a twostory um townhouse. Um, and what the motion is 752 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:23,440 asking for is to allow for twostory town houses to front onto Pine Bush. 753 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:27,199 » Okay. Thank you. >> I have a question. I have a question. 754 01:50:26,056 --> 01:50:31,600 [clears throat] So, why does it not say a maximum of 40? 755 01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:36,119 Why does it say a minimum? Because a minimum would still allow for 60. 756 01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:47,840 » The plan is for a minimum density of of 60. So we want to see that um achieved. 757 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:51,320 » So there's no maximum. >> There's no maximum. 758 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:59,560 » Thank you. Councelor Schwear, you wanted to speak 759 01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,560 to your amendment. 760 01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:13,760 Thank you, Mayor. Um and this particular um development is ready to go. But they 761 01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:18,400 don't build 60 units, they do 40 units. And for them to continue and and be 762 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:24,800 ready to build, they would need that change. And that just also speaks to to 763 01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:30,560 the market. Um a lot of developers are now trying to develop that supports the 764 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:37,599 market today. And that to me is important. And in regards to this whole 765 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:43,440 lot like 2 122 and 28, those are little lots and the developer has spoken to the 766 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:48,880 other owners and they feel that they're supported because you can't build um the 767 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:53,599 two lots separately are too small to be developed. So it only makes sense to put 768 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:59,520 them together because they are planning to buy to buy it all. So that was the 769 01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:04,400 purpose of this motion is to because they're ready to go and if we don't it's 770 01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:09,840 going to delay development even more and we're all about trying to build more 771 01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:17,040 houses and if we say no then this will delay this development. 772 01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:23,440 » So councelor Schwary if the other property owners were not in opposition 773 01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:28,960 to this motion or amendment why are they not here? Why have we not heard from 774 01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:37,599 them saying they want to be part of this development? Because we we only have you 775 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:42,239 saying that that the other developer has spoken to you and they've said that 776 01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:48,880 they have spoken to the other people, the other property owners saying they 777 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:54,000 are in agreement, but we have no proof. >> So I I understand what you're saying. If 778 01:52:51,679 --> 01:53:01,040 I can respond to you, these other properties cannot be developed. Um like 779 01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:06,639 if we just approve the 112, the other two are too small even for development. 780 01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:13,320 So if we want to develop, they they would need that whole area. So that was 781 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:13,320 the purpose of my amendment. 782 01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:21,760 » Okay. So I go back. So we don't have any proof that any of those conversations 783 01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:25,599 have happened. That's just my concern. We're going by what Brand Haven is 784 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:29,040 saying that they've had the conversations and they intend on buying 785 01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:33,679 those properties from the other property owners and we're supposed to base our 786 01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:37,119 decisions on that conversation. Councelor Meta. 787 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:42,080 » Well, um, thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And for me, it's kind of a struggle 788 01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:46,400 and I'll explain why. I see what we're trying to achieve with the high density, 789 01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:49,760 but also I personally want a mix of housing and I hear from residents 790 01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:54,560 there's not enough of the kind of housing that they want. So I'm wondering 791 01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:58,880 if this might be an opportunity for some family size housing because on Husper 792 01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:05,040 Road itself, I don't think we're going to get it. So that's just my two cents. 793 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:09,760 » Cassery. >> Um thank you, Mayor. I just want to make 794 01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:15,760 another comment which um I have talked to staff with. This is my concern with 795 01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:22,000 this Hler corridor secondary plan. It's too prescriptive and it doesn't support 796 01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:28,000 I think market demand and putting in specific rules in place will detract 797 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:36,239 some developers and businesses. So we have to be um we have I I feel that we 798 01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:42,159 have to allow um to be more uh flexible in in the in the densities and with the 799 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:47,360 stuff right now it's too prescriptive it's not flexible and I know the the 800 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:52,719 plan is saying that we can pass amendments in the future but I feel this 801 01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:58,320 still should still it still might detract people and I feel I still feel 802 01:54:55,440 --> 01:55:06,159 that we should make the uh densities more um more flexible than they are now. 803 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:11,119 » So, I have a question of staff here. I'm not opposed to to what you're talking 804 01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:16,000 about um councelor Sher. I I actually think it's pretty good thought process. 805 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:21,760 Um but I want I have a question from staff. So if we pass it, if we vote down 806 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:29,280 the amendment and pass the secondary plan without that, 807 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:33,920 we can bring back that parcel of land and those amend that the amendments that 808 01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:40,000 councelor Shery is talking about bring that forward at next coun like 809 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:44,599 next term which will still be just as quick 810 01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:50,320 » to you madame mayor. um the appropriate avenue would be through a sightsp 811 01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:56,159 specific development application from the land owner and they would require a 812 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:59,360 zoning amendment regardless. So um that would be the appropriate process. It it 813 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:03,199 seems like they're trying to do a sight specific development through a secondary 814 01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:07,040 plan. >> Okay. So the right process in my mind 815 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:10,320 Okay. Thank you. It would be to vote down the amendment and have them go 816 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:16,400 through the process that would assure that this is all done properly. That's 817 01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:20,719 just my my my um thinking on this. Council, did you want to speak again? 818 01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:28,320 » Yeah, ju just one last comment. If we do that um if we don't uh reduce the the 819 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:32,560 the minimum this this development is ready to go like tomorrow, they're 820 01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:37,599 ready. And if we do and we wait till our next council, that's a huge delay for 821 01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:42,239 for planning. And then we talk about it's going to add more costs and um so 822 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:46,320 I'm just saying we need to be more flexible with the density. 823 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:51,119 » Well, I'm wondering if this would be able to come back on the 15th 824 01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:54,159 potentially. Could you speak to this? >> Yeah, that would be great. 825 01:56:52,560 --> 01:57:00,719 » Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh for council's awareness, the secondary plan 826 01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:07,280 will bring into effect a policy regime. So that will alleviate potentially 827 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:12,239 should should the motion be passed by council that will alleviate the need for 828 01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:17,760 the applicant to undertake an official plan amendment. However, there is still 829 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:23,840 the underlying zoning in place. So regardless, there is still a planning 830 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:30,400 act application process where these um respective parcels of land will steing 831 01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:36,639 bylaw amendment process in order to establish the zoning in order to proceed 832 01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:41,040 with the next phase of development. >> Councelor Roberts. 833 01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:45,599 » Thank you, Mayor Jan and through I'm sorry. I think I'm just confused. Um cuz 834 01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:48,880 if the if the development is ready to go, like shovels in the ground, but they 835 01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:52,880 don't own the other two properties. I'm just confused how that's possible. Like 836 01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:56,159 I'm happy to support if there's a development that's like, "Yeah, let's 837 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:59,840 build tomorrow." But how are they ready to go if they don't own the properties? 838 01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:04,800 Do they need those other little pieces in order to build this out or can we 839 01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:08,480 just approve the reduced density on the piece they do own if it is like they're 840 01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:13,520 going to build tomorrow and leave those other two alone? I'm just a little 841 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:17,840 confused. through you. Madame Mayor, it is 842 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:21,840 possible for development to proceed under multiple land ownership. In that 843 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:26,800 case, the application just needs to include support of documentation that 844 01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:30,119 all land owners are um in agreement with the applications. 845 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:38,159 » Councelor Divine, >> we're beating this up pretty good. Um 846 01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:43,360 can you just read the motion back so I we all understand where we're at? 847 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:49,760 Kria amendment >> the amendment can read it back. 848 01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:52,920 » Uh so we'll display it for you as well. >> Thank you. 849 01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:02,960 » Um so the amendment on the floor is that official plan amendment number 102 and 850 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:07,040 the Hesville Road corridor secondary plan contained in appendix B to report 851 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:11,040 26-066-PG be modified prior to adoption as 852 01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:15,679 follows. uh that schedule B land use plan be amended to redesate the lands 853 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:20,080 municipally known as 112, 122, and 128 Pine Bush Road together with block 7 to 854 01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:23,840 mid-rise residential consistent with the proposed mid-rise residential 855 01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:28,239 designation of adjacent block 8. and that a sight specific policy be added to 856 01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:34,239 section 21.5.14 sight specific policies for 1122 and 128 857 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:41,360 Pine Bush Road block 7 and block 8 to provide that notwithstanding table 21-1 858 01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:44,560 and section 21-5.6.3 6.3 residential development on these lands shall be 859 01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:48,480 subject to a minimum density of 40 units per hectare rather than 60 units per 860 01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:51,280 hectare and that the final density height and built form of development on 861 01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,639 these lands be determined through the applicable development approval process 862 01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:59,040 having regard to sight specific conditions compatibility servicing 863 01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:03,280 transportation infrastructure urban design public realm and other applicable 864 02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:08,400 requirements and that schedule B and any other applicable schedule figures tables 865 02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:11,760 and policies be modified accordingly >> thank you and I'm asking and I'm asking 866 02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:16,719 council to turn that down so we get clarification on it down the road and I 867 02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:19,920 think that's very important. Thank you >> councelor Cooper. 868 02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:23,199 » Yes, thank you. Yeah, we really are beating this one up here. Um what's I 869 02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:27,360 think what councelor Sh is trying to do here. I mean there may be some uh 870 02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:30,400 validity to this and what what's trying to be done here and if we you know we're 871 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:34,239 trying to believe that there's someone here literally with the hard hat on and 872 02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:38,000 boots ready to go. Um I I do have a little bit of an issue with the fact 873 02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:42,960 that if this is so they're so eager, so ready to go, then there's nobody here. 874 02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:48,800 Um so I'd be more than happy if we could if we're able to bring this up soon, 875 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:52,960 very soon. And hopefully have some people standing here that could back 876 02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:57,280 this up. If you can, if there's people involved in this that can back this up, 877 02:00:55,440 --> 02:01:01,760 then then let's go. But right now, we're kind of everything's being thrown at us 878 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:05,440 without any kind of hard evidence for us to be able to back this up and say, 879 02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:10,320 "Let's do this." But if we can back it up, hey, let's go. But let's uh let's 880 02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:14,440 bring this back soon. >> But not today. But not today. 881 02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:26,719 This is really problematic because this is already, as the city manager is 882 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:31,599 saying to me, it's already gone through extensive public engagement 883 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:35,040 and we've got amendments on the floor last minute that we are all struggling 884 02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:38,480 with. First off, we don't even understand it now that we're starting to 885 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:43,480 understand it. We're still struggling with that decision-making process. 886 02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:50,599 to Hardy to make a couple comments. >> Hardy, can you make a couple of comments 887 02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:50,599 on this, please? 888 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:59,920 » Thank you, Mayor Leot through through you to the rest of council. I think it's 889 02:01:55,679 --> 02:02:06,560 it's um well known that Hesper Road is really a canvas ripe for redevelopment. 890 02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:14,480 When you go down Hesper Road, it's a large, very wide almost highway and all 891 02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:20,320 you see is parking lots and you see very um 892 02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:26,000 cars. You see a field of parking lots and you see many one and twostory 893 02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:32,480 buildings set very far back. Oftentimes it's referred to as one of 894 02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:36,880 the worst planned road networks in southwestern Ontario. 895 02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:41,920 What we have done here tonight and presented to council, as Mayor Liot 896 02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:47,599 indicated, has been years of public engagement. It's been feedback from this 897 02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:54,080 council and the previous council. It's been feedback from thousands of our 898 02:02:50,400 --> 02:03:00,880 residents around what can Hester Road look like over the next 10 years, 20, 899 02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:07,760 30, and up to 50 years. And what we've presented here tonight is 900 02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:13,360 a is really a community that's based on some public spaces, 901 02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:19,840 some dense buildings, some tall buildings up to 25 stories. We have 902 02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:26,400 concerns when we we hear about 25-story buildings going in neighborhoods. Esper 903 02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:31,599 Road is prime and ripe to welcome this kind of development and this kind of 904 02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:38,400 investment into our community. We're talking about policies and we're asking 905 02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:43,599 council to help us shape the policies of how this community is going to grow over 906 02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:49,199 the decades to come. It's a very important decision, but it's one that we 907 02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:53,679 I think are very prepared for. We provided information to council. We've 908 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:58,960 been providing information for council over the last number of years. We came 909 02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:04,480 this spring and presented the draft proposal. We've done additional 910 02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:09,280 modifications based on a few additional comments and we're very pleased with the 911 02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:16,599 direction and vision that council has told us to go forth and set policies for 912 02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:16,599 the growth of our community. 913 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:26,320 If there is a property that you feel might not quite meet that vision, there 914 02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:31,199 are different mechanisms to address. But what council is asking you to do 915 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:35,920 tonight is to approve the vision for this community so that investors, 916 02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:42,560 builders, property owners know how we're going to 917 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:48,480 grow and where we're going to grow. Thank you, 918 02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:54,400 » Councelor Schwar. >> Thank you, Mayor Leot. Um just one 919 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:59,599 question but before I do uh these developers were 920 02:04:56,880 --> 02:05:06,000 they told me that they were told by staff that you know we could do an 921 02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:11,119 amendment to this to our to this plan which is why I brought it. Um I wouldn't 922 02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:15,920 have known otherwise. So they were directed and that's what what I did. But 923 02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:22,960 my question is can you were talking about a September 13 meeting. Are we 924 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:29,119 able to pause this till then so I can get you better information to to support 925 02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:36,960 this? And then and and like had uh Bin had said um Miss Neely um Miss Neie that 926 02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:42,880 even um that this is a fluid document and you 927 02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:48,800 know amendments or changes are welcome um from how I'm understanding this. So, 928 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:53,440 I'm just wondering, can we wait on until September 13 and and bring it back? 929 02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:58,400 Because if we wait too long, um this will affect this development. 930 02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:01,679 » So, it's September 15th. We have a planning and development meeting and 931 02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:05,840 we're considering well, we have to bring something else back to council anyway, 932 02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:11,280 but we're we can't guarantee that that could be done by the September 15th. I 933 02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:15,840 personally am not willing to stop the Hebler secondary plan from going 934 02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:21,040 forward. We need to vote on that. Get that done currently. Hardy, did you want 935 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:26,000 to speak on councelor Schwar's question, please? 936 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:31,119 » Thank you. Staff are looking for a decision from council this evening. The 937 02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:39,360 work that we've done on our secondary plan for Hesler Road currently is funded 938 02:06:34,079 --> 02:06:44,639 through our half. half is the um housing accelerator fund money sponsored from 939 02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:48,639 the federal government. If we don't have a decision by council this evening, we 940 02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:53,440 may be in jeopardy of losing that funding for this project which would 941 02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:58,320 then be borne by our taxpayers. So, I just wanted to ensure that council was 942 02:06:55,199 --> 02:07:01,760 was aware of that. Thank you. >> And you had said that there is another 943 02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:05,440 way of this being brought forward. I think it was you or or Miss Neely that 944 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:11,320 there's another way of bringing this forward for this piece of property the 945 02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,320 future. Okay. 946 02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:18,239 » Mayor through you madame mayor. There are really 947 02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:25,040 two options. Should council not make this um revision today. The there are 948 02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:32,159 two options that this specific site could move forward. The normal course of 949 02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:37,679 action is that the developer would make an application for an official plan 950 02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:42,079 amendment. I remind council that they are going to need to make an application 951 02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:47,520 for a zoning bylaw amendment regardless. So, um those planning applications could 952 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:54,480 come forward through the development application process. Alternatively, um 953 02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:59,360 should council desire, it's council's, um authority to direct staff to go back 954 02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:04,400 and have a look at this parcel, and that would not be a development application. 955 02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:10,920 That would be a city initiated amendment to the policy. 956 02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:10,920 » Councelor Kimson. 957 02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:18,159 » So, this is just speaking to the amendment. 958 02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:23,040 » Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Sorry, I tried to turn on my mic and turn it off. 959 02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:26,560 Anyhow, um thank you. Um I guess I'm just following along what you had 960 02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:31,840 mentioned and what councelor Cooper had mentioned about whether or not there was 961 02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:36,560 the opportunity to revisit this on September the 15th, recognizing we do 962 02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:42,079 realize it's in the report right here that we need to have this approved by 963 02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:48,480 October 31st. And obviously we're running out of time. So, I'm not sure if 964 02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:54,000 that if that's something that I'm unclear as to whether or not we we 965 02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:57,440 can potentially do that or if we can't do that. 966 02:08:55,920 --> 02:09:02,560 » So, I believe that's just for the Hespler Road secondary plan that we need 967 02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:07,159 to get that part done. Correct. Yes. It's just for that, not for the 968 02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:07,159 amendment. 969 02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:14,679 » May I follow up? >> Mr. Bronberg will follow your followup. 970 02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:24,440 Go ahead. >> Oh, sorry. Thank you. Um, can we have 971 02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:24,440 just a quick recess for something? 972 02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:32,079 » How about we have Mr. Brownberg respond to your original to see if I'm correct 973 02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:37,920 in what I just said. >> Okay. Thank you. 974 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:42,719 » Thank you. So it's really important to note that the secondary plan will also 975 02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:48,480 form the basis of our official plan work which is currently scheduled to start at 976 02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:55,360 the end of this year. That work um will also look at policies and asking council 977 02:09:51,679 --> 02:10:01,840 to adopt pal policies for how the entire city of Cambridge will grow. There is an 978 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:06,719 opportunity there to revisit some of the um or this specific property through 979 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:11,520 that process. In the meantime, if that doesn't work for a particular property 980 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:16,880 owner, they still have, as Miss Neie indicated, they still have the mechanism 981 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:22,719 to go through a a sightspecific revision, a sightspecific what we call 982 02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:26,960 an official plan amendment or um in this case that would also be required to 983 02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:32,320 still go through the zoning bylaw amendment. Remember, a secondary plan 984 02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:39,040 and an official plan are only the policies of how council envisions this 985 02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:44,719 community to grow. The zoning bylaw is what actually provides the rules. And so 986 02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:52,320 the rules don't align currently if council approves this official plan and 987 02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:58,560 the policies with the policies. So, what Miss Neie was trying to explain is even 988 02:10:55,599 --> 02:11:04,079 if council were to approve this policy tonight for a specific property, they 989 02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:08,079 still have to go through a planning process. 990 02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:11,360 Thank you. >> Okay, we're going to go straight to the 991 02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:15,840 vote on the amendment rather than take a recess here. We've been going on for way 992 02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:19,840 too long and [clears throat] it becomes non-transparent to the public. I have 993 02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:22,880 I'm I'm very concerned that the public is wondering what we're doing when we 994 02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:29,520 take these recesses and I don't think it's fair. So, um the amendment is on 995 02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:32,920 the floor and we will do that vote. >> Opening voting. 996 02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:44,520 » Closing voting that is defeated by uh 7 to2 vote. 997 02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:51,440 And now the original main motion is back on the floor, madam. 998 02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:56,480 » Okay. So, the original motion is on the floor now. We will go to that vote. 999 02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:59,679 » The original motion. >> Yes. 1000 02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:05,000 » Oh, you had an amendment to the original motion? 1001 02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:05,000 » Okay. Go ahead. 1002 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:10,079 » Okay. So, I do have an amendment that is moved by myself. 1003 02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:13,760 » Can I ask you a question first? Has staff seen this at all? 1004 02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:19,760 » They have. Yes. I've emailed it and it's right here. Um, I've moved it's moved by 1005 02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:24,480 myself, seconded by councelor Schwary. Whereas Northview Heights Lookout Park 1006 02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:29,280 provides a valued public vantage point and visual connection to the surrounding 1007 02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:33,760 landscape and city skyline and future high-rise and midrise developments 1008 02:12:31,599 --> 02:12:40,719 within the Hesper Road and Canamera Parkway major transit station area MTSA 1009 02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:45,440 have the potential to impact sight lines and public view corridors from this 1010 02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:51,199 public vantage point. Now therefore, be it resolved that the draft Hasper Road 1011 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:55,840 corridor secondary plan be amended by adding the following provision. one 1012 02:12:53,840 --> 02:13:00,159 sight line and view protection from Northview Heights Lookout Park that all 1013 02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:05,440 future development applications including zoning bylaw amendments and 1014 02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:12,000 site plan approvals located within the Hesper Road and Canamera Parkway major 1015 02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:17,840 transit station area MTSA be strongly encouraged to include a visual impact in 1016 02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:22,880 sight line assessment evaluating the proposed building height massing and 1017 02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:27,440 placement relative to established public vehicle corridors from Northview Heights 1018 02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:31,840 Lookout Park and that the development design be strongly encouraged to 1019 02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:37,520 incorporate consideration of these public views utilizing architectural 1020 02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:43,280 stepping strategic tower orientation and appropriate setbacks to preserve visual 1021 02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:47,840 permeability and maintain the scenic integrity of the lookout experience 1022 02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:52,400 where feasible. And I would like to speak to this. 1023 02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:56,400 Can I ask staff to put that back up on the floor and go back to the beginning 1024 02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:59,400 part of it, please? So I can absorb that again. 1025 02:14:08,077 --> 02:14:10,097 [snorts] 1026 02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:23,440 Okay. Normally we go to questions. Uh, so I'm going to go to questions that 1027 02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:28,159 counselors may have for staff at this point or of counselor and then we will 1028 02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:34,480 go to comments and I'm going to ask staff to comment on this and and uh the 1029 02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:39,760 impact that this may have. Any questions? 1030 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:44,719 I see none. So go ahead councelor Amanda with your comment. 1031 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:48,480 The reason I'm bringing this forward and I do realize there were a lot of 1032 02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:53,760 opportunities throughout the process to have this discussion and I have already 1033 02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:57,760 mentioned this as part of my feedback to date. Um the reason I'm bringing this 1034 02:14:55,840 --> 02:15:02,800 forward is to get this early in the process. I believe that the secondary 1035 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:06,079 plan kind of sets the blueprint for the future and I know we're going to be 1036 02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:11,280 looking at the official plan and the zoning bylaw. I totally get all that, 1037 02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:16,880 but I I want to start on this right away because this is a very important view in 1038 02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:22,000 our city. Not just to the North View Heights neighborhood, but to the 1039 02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:27,679 province of Ontario. I see people visit that lookout from the GTA who are amazed 1040 02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:32,480 at the view. You know, how buildings are not blocking the view like they are in 1041 02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:37,280 Missaga. I'm amazed. I've uh you know even met people from places like 1042 02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:40,880 Northern Ontario who say that it kind of reminds them of that with the rolling 1043 02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:45,679 hills around the city. You know the beautiful landscape that we have. People 1044 02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:50,960 from Lake Huron who say the sunsets are very competitive because of how far you 1045 02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:57,199 can see across the city. So it really is a beautiful space and I want to protect 1046 02:15:53,840 --> 02:16:01,360 it and um I'm not asking to stop development. I'm not, you know, I'm 1047 02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:05,440 development is coming to the Hesper road. It makes a lot more sense on 1048 02:16:03,599 --> 02:16:10,639 Hesper Road than in our heritage core areas, for example, like, you know, like 1049 02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:15,040 towers and so forth. However, it needs to be done right because there are still 1050 02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:19,599 things in this area of the city that we do want to preserve and the view from 1051 02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:25,280 that lookout is one of them. And I realize the challenges with the MTSA. I 1052 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:30,480 understand the limitations of what we can do. However, I do believe if we have 1053 02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:34,719 the right policies in place, we can position the buildings in such a way to 1054 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:39,840 preserve those views. And I want to have that discussion now before we have an 1055 02:16:37,439 --> 02:16:45,439 application before us and then we're scrambling how to preserve those views. 1056 02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:49,840 So, this is just being proactive and I want to just get this out for council's 1057 02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:54,479 consideration and um I'll leave my comments at that. Thank you. So, if I 1058 02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:57,679 could ask you a question on your amendment, you're just saying to be 1059 02:16:56,399 --> 02:17:01,920 encouraged. You're not trying to restrict anything here because I notice 1060 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:05,760 your wording is very soft and saying encouraging. 1061 02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:11,359 » Thank you, Mayor Dan. That is a great question. My what I would really prefer 1062 02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:16,639 to put in is shall, but I do understand the legal implications of that, right? 1063 02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:22,800 especially with the limitations of the MTSA and how council has very little say 1064 02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:27,840 over that kind of density. So I wanted to make the motion as strongly as 1065 02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:32,160 possible while you know being legally compliant. I'll strongly encourage. I 1066 02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:37,200 think gets the point across and in the future if we can tighten it up, we can 1067 02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:41,280 see what we can do. But I wanted to get this out in the open so that we can be 1068 02:17:39,439 --> 02:17:45,120 proactive right away and and have something in place as you know we change 1069 02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:49,519 the zoning in the future and the official plan and all that. 1070 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:52,880 » Okay. Councelor, your comments. >> Actually, I had a question. I wonder if 1071 02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:58,639 there's a seconder for the motion. I didn't hear that. 1072 02:17:55,599 --> 02:18:01,359 Councelor Schwar. >> Okay, councelor Kimson, you have 1073 02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:05,280 comments. >> Um, is it too late for me to ask a 1074 02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:08,559 question? >> Thank you very Thank you very much, 1075 02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:14,479 Mayor Jan. Just wondering if staff could comment on what sort of precedent 1076 02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:18,479 something like this might set for um other areas because I I think of you we 1077 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:23,040 we talk about we we have so many incredible views and vistas throughout 1078 02:18:20,960 --> 02:18:28,160 Cambridge and I'm wondering if that's something that could really prohibit 1079 02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:31,679 some of the work that we've been trying to do. 1080 02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:37,840 » That's why I said staff will comment after every counselors have have done 1081 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:41,760 their comments and will I wanted to see if there is any any blow back from any 1082 02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:43,840 of this. >> Thank you. 1083 02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:48,200 » So, councelor Hamilton, you have a comment 1084 02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:48,200 » or a question? 1085 02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:58,559 » Okay. So, Bin or um sorry, who's going to get up and comment 1086 02:18:55,200 --> 02:19:04,319 on the impact of potential impact of this amendment? and also to if you could 1087 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:08,399 u respond to councelor Kempson's question. 1088 02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:15,359 » Certainly through you madame mayor. Maybe I'll start big picture first. Um 1089 02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:20,639 certainly uh it's not uncommon for municipalities to undertake viewshed 1090 02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:25,439 studies and to identify very special views that they wish to protect for the 1091 02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:30,639 long term. And in the process of doing that, a view shed study would undertake 1092 02:19:28,479 --> 02:19:35,120 work such as establishing the boundaries. How what is the specific 1093 02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:39,920 point from which we're taking this view? What are the specific things we're 1094 02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:45,760 trying to see through this view? What's the window that we're looking through 1095 02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:51,120 like that angle? How high or low and how far does it go into the distance? All of 1096 02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:56,080 those things on a case-byase basis would be established through a viewshed. So, I 1097 02:19:53,600 --> 02:20:02,479 wouldn't say it would have sort of an all-encompassing impact. It would be um 1098 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,520 the responsibility of council through community consultation to identify those 1099 02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:12,800 very special areas that warrant that level of analysis in in order to then 1100 02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:19,280 implement the protective measures to preserve those views. 1101 02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:26,080 In terms of the specific motion, our suggestion would be not that it be 1102 02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:31,040 identified at this point because we're not able in this moment to identify 1103 02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:37,200 those factors, the very specific point we're viewing from the very specific 1104 02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:41,200 points we're trying to see. instead to undertake that work through the capital 1105 02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:46,080 project that will be going on um commencing soon and going through 2026 1106 02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:50,240 of the official plan work where we can undertake that analysis and then 1107 02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:58,080 subsequent to that we would implement those mechanisms through the zoning 1108 02:20:52,000 --> 02:21:03,280 bylaw um phase 2 comprehensive review. So 1109 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:09,439 based on what you've said, um, is there any danger in not 1110 02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:15,680 voting for this tonight? I know you're saying for future, but what would be the 1111 02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:20,160 danger? You've given us a different side of this 1112 02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:25,280 » through you, mayor. Back to the previous discussion. This is 1113 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:30,240 a policy document. So any major development that will in fact come 1114 02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:34,240 forward to implement this policy should council approve the secondary plan is 1115 02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:39,439 not going to have an immediate effect. We're not going to see cranes popping up 1116 02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:44,880 all over Hespler. There are planning applications that will be necessary to 1117 02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:52,800 amend the zoning bylaw as uh general manager Bronberg said. Uh so nothing is 1118 02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:56,960 going to catastrophically impact the important viewshed in the immediate 1119 02:21:54,880 --> 02:22:01,040 short-term future. That's why my recommendation would be 1120 02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:08,000 that council take the time to do the study through the official plan work. 1121 02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:12,160 So how rather than losing this thought here, 1122 02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:16,880 what would you suggest that councelor Matt is waiting to speak now, but what 1123 02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:22,960 would you suggest be done so that we can accommodate this 1124 02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:27,040 in future so it doesn't get lost through you madame mayor? My 1125 02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:32,640 recommendation would be to separate this out from the secondary plan decision 1126 02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:38,640 that you're making and to um return it immediately following perhaps to your 1127 02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:43,439 discretion as a staff direction to undertake a fuse shed study relative to 1128 02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:47,200 this point through the official plan work. 1129 02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:49,840 » Councelor Medic, did you want to speak? And is that 1130 02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:53,600 » Thank you, Mayor Dan. I did have a couple of questions which I'll just ask 1131 02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:59,280 all at one and thank you very much Bren this has been very informative. Um my 1132 02:22:56,319 --> 02:23:04,319 question is in terms of a timeline like um like how long will a lot of that work 1133 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:09,359 take? And my other question with all due respect is if an application is filed, 1134 02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:14,080 you know, like this week or next week, what kind of mechanisms are there to 1135 02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:17,520 have this be part of that process? And I'm asking that question for the 1136 02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:22,240 residents, right? Because they're already aware of Ridgeo Forward, how 1137 02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:26,960 we're moving ahead with that, right? And um you know if we see the corner 1138 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:31,520 developed at some point it still might be a long way off but if something if an 1139 02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:34,720 application comes sooner than later what kind of mechanisms are there in place 1140 02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:37,840 because I don't want this thought to be lost right 1141 02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:43,439 » through you madame mayor I certainly appreciate that concern what I will say 1142 02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:48,560 is the language as it's been presented itself presents a concept but not an 1143 02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:53,439 instruction. So it doesn't give us sufficient teeth to enforce anything 1144 02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:59,600 anyways even if we are to implement it as a modification to the official plan. 1145 02:23:56,640 --> 02:24:03,840 In order to secure that viewshed that detailed work needs to have occurred. So 1146 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:08,880 between now and that detailed work occurring there there is that 1147 02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:14,080 incremental risk. Again though, I'll say I'm not expecting 1148 02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:20,240 the entire corridor to be covered in cranes uh the moment this policy becomes 1149 02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:24,960 implemented. And so I think perhaps there's a risk that one or maybe two 1150 02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:30,439 tall buildings get put in place, but not that the entire important viewshed be 1151 02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:30,439 compromised. 1152 02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:38,319 So, councelor meter, are you all right if we take all of this and make this as 1153 02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:41,520 a staff direction tonight to go forward and then we can pass the Hler road thing 1154 02:24:40,399 --> 02:24:46,160 tonight? >> Thank you, Mayor Daniel. I am generally 1155 02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:51,280 supportive of the Hesper Road secondary plan and I do want it to continue. 1156 02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:56,000 However, I want some kind of a public record in place that the developers 1157 02:24:53,840 --> 02:25:00,399 understand as well that if somebody tries to develop that corner, they know 1158 02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:05,120 the intention. So, I don't know if we could maybe refer this part of it and 1159 02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:09,520 wait till a certain date in the future or whatever we have to do, but um I 1160 02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:13,040 think developers need to know that this is an important view of the community. I 1161 02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:17,040 don't want to be scrambling afterwards because I've seen that happen quite a 1162 02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:20,960 few times like over the years. Right. But that's what I'm saying. If we can 1163 02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:24,800 direct staff tonight >> um 1164 02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:28,560 » to take this away and work on that and then we can go forward with the 1165 02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:32,880 secondary plan tonight >> because that's how it could be done. 1166 02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:36,319 Accommodate what you're asking for >> because you may lose this. I'm just 1167 02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:40,319 saying you may lose this tonight. >> Well, I I'm willing to vote for it and I 1168 02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:44,560 can always bring it back. So maybe I'll leave it on the table if it gets voted 1169 02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:49,760 down then it can come back again at a future. Sagada Parkway didn't pass 1170 02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:53,600 overnight. So, um, we'll see. >> Okay. Councelor Hamilton. 1171 02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:57,280 » Thank you, Mayor Le. May I just make a comment on the amendment? Quick comment. 1172 02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,600 » Yes, you can. And then I'm calling for the vote. 1173 02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:02,160 » Sure. Um, I want to thank councelor Meta for bringing it forward, but ultimately 1174 02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:07,280 I can't accept it. I think what we're hearing from staff is that the Hesplur 1175 02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:11,600 Road um plan is quite thorough. it's quite detailed and if we start choosing 1176 02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:17,359 our own unique elements or perspectives to carve out of that general framework 1177 02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:20,960 um we risk shattering the underlying unity of what seems to be a very 1178 02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:24,479 thorough and detailed plan. uh otherwise it's death by a thousand paper cuts. And 1179 02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:27,439 so I appreciate your sentiment, but it seems like staff already have what 1180 02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:31,359 councelor Hermeta wants in this motion covered that it would come to council. 1181 02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:35,359 And so rather than breaking it up into every single one of our unique 1182 02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:38,880 viewpoints and perspectives, I think the general standpoint that we start of 1183 02:26:37,359 --> 02:26:41,840 start with as a city and move forward with I think it's quite strong as it is. 1184 02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:46,960 So I can't support the amendment. Thanks. [clears throat] 1185 02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:51,439 » Thank you. Um, I'm I am going to call the vote, but I am concerned about all 1186 02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:58,240 of these amendments coming forward and how disruptive this is to the secondary 1187 02:26:54,000 --> 02:27:03,280 plan. Um, this is very easily done with the direction to council. Um, we need to 1188 02:27:01,280 --> 02:27:06,319 get on with the secondary plan. There's there's a lot of work that still has to 1189 02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:10,479 be done. there's people who own properties who are waiting for us to 1190 02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:16,160 make this decision and going forward we're losing um every day we're losing 1191 02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:24,040 the time to build more housing in it. So I'm calling a vote now on the amendment. 1192 02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:24,040 » Opening voting on the amendment. 1193 02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:35,600 Closing voting that's defeated by a vote of 6 to three. 1194 02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:40,160 The original main motion, Madame Mayor, is now on the floor and it um is 1195 02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:44,680 unaltered from its original form. >> Okay, we will call for that vote now. 1196 02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:03,560 Opening voting. 1197 02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:09,960 Closing voting. 1198 02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:15,880 That carries by a vote of 8 to one. 1199 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:28,520 We're going to take a a recess for people to have a bi bio break 1200 02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:35,640 about 10 That's 1201 02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:28,040 They're ready. 1202 02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:34,240 The final report for consideration before we move on to other business is 1203 02:38:32,479 --> 02:38:40,000 26-01 IFS Bernett Avenue sanitary sewer and 1204 02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:44,080 manhole reconfiguration. uh Yoga Shaw the general manager of 1205 02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:47,960 infrastructure services will introduce this report to us. 1206 02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:59,200 » Um this project and the report in front of you today is uh seeking additional 1207 02:38:53,840 --> 02:39:04,000 funding amount um of 35,15 as outlined within this report from the 1208 02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:09,520 wastewater capital reserve fund. The primary driver for this project is due 1209 02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:14,240 to ongoing sewer backups into residents home which requires weekly sewer 1210 02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:18,000 monitoring by the operations team. The project will redirect wastewater flows 1211 02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:25,560 to prevent wastewater backups within the system and eliminate ongoing operational 1212 02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:25,560 maintenance and mitigate risk. 1213 02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:36,000 » Okay. Does council have any questions be of Mr. Y Mr. Shaw before the motion goes 1214 02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:40,680 on the floor. Okay. So, councelor Meta, you have the 1215 02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:40,680 motion. 1216 02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:47,960 » Mayor Jen, will may the clerk read the motion? Thank you. 1217 02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:56,240 » So, the motion is moved by councelor Hermeta and seconded by councelor 1218 02:39:54,240 --> 02:40:00,120 Ernshaw. Um the recommendation is to award the work under A/01748-40 1219 02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:08,399 Bernett Avenue sanitary sewer and manhole reconfiguration contract to SUSA 1220 02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:14,240 concrete in the amount of uh $150,000 300 $150,322.50 1221 02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:19,319 and 50 cents plus HST and approve additional project funding for capital 1222 02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:19,319 project A/01748-40 1223 02:40:19,439 --> 02:40:26,240 Bett Avenue sanitary sewer and manhole reconfiguration project in the amount of 1224 02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:32,000 $35,15 as outlined within this report from the 1225 02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:36,319 Wastewater Capital Reserve Fund. >> Now that it's on the floor, does council 1226 02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:40,720 have any questions, any comments? 1227 02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:45,960 Okay, we'll put that motion uh to the vote. 1228 02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:45,960 Opening voting. 1229 02:40:56,000 --> 02:41:04,080 Closing voting. That carries by vote of nine to zero. 1230 02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:07,680 » We will now proceed to other business. Does any member have any items to bring 1231 02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:11,160 forward? Councelor Roberts. 1232 02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:23,120 There we go. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Um, and through you. Yeah. I just want to 1233 02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:29,359 mention the fact that the Willard Park um playground reconstruction is done and 1234 02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:33,680 it's a fantastic new playground space in uh Ward 5. Um, and it's just so 1235 02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:37,600 beautiful. I've spent a lot of time there in the last few weeks and it's 1236 02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:41,600 full of kids, full of energy. I've heard from so many residents reaching out that 1237 02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:46,800 they're just so happy and the inclusive nature of it means that kids of all 1238 02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:51,920 abilities um and moms too can get on, dads can get on and off um and play with 1239 02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:55,200 their children and um yeah, it's just a really welcome improvement to Willard 1240 02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:58,800 Park. So, I want to thank staff for their really hard work on it. It's uh 1241 02:41:57,040 --> 02:42:02,160 it's a fantastic space. So, I welcome everyone to come over to Ward 5 and 1242 02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:05,520 check out the Willard Park playground. Thank you. 1243 02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:09,840 » Thanks for that. That's a great update to a capital project. Thanks for that 1244 02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:12,880 information. Somebody else just took Councelor Meta, did you have another 1245 02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:16,960 business as well? >> Thank you, Mayor Jen. Yes, I do. 1246 02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:22,640 Construction is complete at the Lion's Caname Park on the new forest themed 1247 02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:28,319 spray pad featuring accessible waterplay pathways, shade, seating, and hillside. 1248 02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:33,760 There are also some specifically sorry specific furniture places sorry pieces 1249 02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:38,319 arriving over the next two months but we are excited to have this brand new spray 1250 02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:42,720 pad open for the public to enjoy and I just want to commend staff thank them 1251 02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:49,359 for their hard work. I often wonder how we um you know have such fantastic fac 1252 02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:53,600 sorry such fantastic facilities for the amount of money that we spend on them. I 1253 02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:56,560 think they do a phenomenal job and you know quite often I often think how are 1254 02:42:55,280 --> 02:43:00,240 we going to keep the neighborhood happy but I've had a lot of great feedback 1255 02:42:58,479 --> 02:43:06,880 with what happened there and I want staff to be aware of that. 1256 02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:10,560 » Thank you both of you. Um so this evening we will be considering five 1257 02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:15,120 motions. Four of which had notice provided at the July 21st council 1258 02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:18,399 meeting. And we have one motion tonight from councelor Shwer and three from 1259 02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:22,399 councelor Meta. And there will be a final motion presented for myself which 1260 02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:28,000 will require that we first pass the motion to suspend the rules. So as a 1261 02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:32,160 reminder again [clears throat] I ask council to be brief with comments and 1262 02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,680 questions to ensure that we can get through all of the business on tonight's 1263 02:43:33,680 --> 02:43:39,359 agenda. Council Schwear, you have the first motion regarding reducing costs 1264 02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:44,840 and delays in development approvals to support housing affordability. Can you 1265 02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:44,840 please read your motion? 1266 02:43:51,040 --> 02:44:00,279 » Thank you, U. Mayor Leot. And if I could share the reading with Councelor 1267 02:43:55,680 --> 02:44:00,279 Kempson. It's a pretty long motion. 1268 02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:09,040 Thank you. uh moved by myself, seconded by 1269 02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:14,640 councelor Kimson. Whereas residents are facing financial pressure as the cost of 1270 02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:20,000 living continues to rise, including housing, food, utilities, fuel, and 1271 02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:25,120 other essential expenses. And whereas municipal budgets must prioritize 1272 02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:30,800 efficiency, accountability, and the responsible use of taxpayer dollars. And 1273 02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:36,160 whereas development applications require extensive technical studies and reports 1274 02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:40,880 prepared, certified and stamped by qualified licensed professionals who are 1275 02:44:38,640 --> 02:44:46,560 subject to professional standards, ethical obligations, liability 1276 02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:52,560 requirements, and regulatory oversight. And whereas delay delays multiple review 1277 02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:57,200 cycles, additional studies, consultant reviews, and prolonged approval 1278 02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:59,680 timelines can increase development costs that may ultimately be reflected 1279 02:44:59,129 --> 02:45:03,439 [clears throat] in housing prices and affordability 1280 02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:08,080 challenges. And whereas council has a responsibility 1281 02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:12,880 to ensure development approval processes are transparent, efficient, accountable, 1282 02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:17,279 and evidence-based while maintaining appropriate safeguards for public 1283 02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:21,920 safety, public health safety, environmental protection, and compliance 1284 02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:26,479 with applicable legislation. And whereas objective performance measures and 1285 02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:32,479 benchmarking are necessary to identify opportunities for continuous improvement 1286 02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:37,680 in the development approvals process. Therefore, be it resolved um that staff 1287 02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:42,479 direct the council direct staff to expand quarterly current quarterly 1288 02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:47,680 report on development activity to include development approval performance 1289 02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:51,840 metrics including development approval timelines. The average review and 1290 02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:56,560 approval timelines for the official plan amendments, zoning bylaw amendments, job 1291 02:45:54,479 --> 02:46:03,520 plans of subdivision site plan applications and consent applications. 1292 02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:08,160 the res views cycles and completeness and report on the frequency and nature 1293 02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:12,319 of requests for additional information after applications have been deemed 1294 02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:17,920 complete. The average number of resubmissions required per application 1295 02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:22,479 and the principal causes of delays identifying delays attributable to 1296 02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:28,240 applicants, municipal departments, external agency agencies, council 1297 02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:33,439 decision on other factors where reasonably available and be of further 1298 02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:40,399 resolve that staff prepare a report in Q4 on of 2026 on continuous improvement 1299 02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:44,640 initiatives outlining Complete continuous 1300 02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:50,160 improvement initiatives undertaken to improve the planning application 1301 02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:55,040 process. Measurable outcomes achieved to date. 1302 02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:59,680 Current initiatives underway and future initiatives to improve efficiency, 1303 02:46:57,200 --> 02:47:03,840 transparency, and delivery costs. Operating costs outlining the total 1304 02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:08,640 annual cost of development review functions including internal staffing, 1305 02:47:06,399 --> 02:47:13,359 external consulting services, peer reviews, legal review costs and 1306 02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:18,720 recoveries obtained through development application fees. the extent and cost of 1307 02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:23,680 additional studies, peer reviews, and independent consultant reviews 1308 02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:28,720 commissioned by the city. An estimated financial impacts 1309 02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:32,880 associated with extended approval times, including the effect of carrying costs 1310 02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:39,560 and financial costs on residential development properties where such 1311 02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:39,560 estimates can be reasonably made. 1312 02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:47,279 And be it further resolved that staff prepare a capital project as part of the 1313 02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:51,520 draft 2027 budget to complete a service review of the planning process that 1314 02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:56,479 would include a review of the previous five years outlining the number of city 1315 02:47:54,160 --> 02:48:01,200 commissioned peer reviews. The total cost of such peer reviews, the subject 1316 02:47:58,720 --> 02:48:05,439 matter of each peer review, whether each peer review resulted in a material 1317 02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:08,960 change to the proposed development. Material change shall mean a 1318 02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:12,800 modification to a proposed development, engineering design, environmental 1319 02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:16,640 mitigation measure, infrastructure requirement, or planning rationale 1320 02:48:14,800 --> 02:48:20,960 resulting directly from peerreview findings and the rationale for requiring 1321 02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:25,279 additional studies, peer reviews or independent consultant reports. 1322 02:48:23,439 --> 02:48:29,600 opportunities to further enhance efficiency while maintaining appropriate 1323 02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:34,080 safeguards for public health safety, environmental protection, and 1324 02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:38,080 legislation compliance, including reliance on certified and sealed reports 1325 02:48:36,319 --> 02:48:42,479 prepared by appropriately licensed professionals eliminating internal 1326 02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:46,640 review, opportunities to improve interdep departmental coordination, and 1327 02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:50,880 cost impacts to differing service standards and performance targets. And 1328 02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:55,120 be it further resolved that the service review establish measurable performance 1329 02:48:53,120 --> 02:49:00,160 benchmarks and that staff report annually on development approval 1330 02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:04,640 timelines, review cycle performance, peer review utilization, surface 1331 02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:09,200 standard compliance and continuous improvement outcomes. benchmark 1332 02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:13,920 Cambridge's development approval performance against comparable Ontario 1333 02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:20,000 municipalities where this information is publicly available including Kitchener, 1334 02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:25,840 Waterlue, Woolwitch, G, Milton, Burlington, Oakville, Georgetown, Bmpton 1335 02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:30,479 and any other municipality staff deem appropriate and be it further resolved 1336 02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:34,560 that staff undertake a project specific review of major growth areas and 1337 02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:39,600 development projects including Rivermill, Cambridge West, Moffett 1338 02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:44,240 Creek, North Cambridge East Side Lands north of Middleock Road, Northwest 1339 02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:49,040 Hespler Area Community, Main Street East, corridor developments, and such 1340 02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:53,200 review shall include where available, date of initial application submission, 1341 02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:58,319 date the application was deemed complete, number of review cycles and 1342 02:49:55,600 --> 02:50:03,200 resubmissions, number, purpose and cost of peer reviews, external consultant and 1343 02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:07,920 thirdparty review costs, total elapse time from application submission to 1344 02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:12,240 approval, significant sources of delay and comparison with similar developments 1345 02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:18,160 in comparable municipalities. And finally, be it resolved that staff 1346 02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:23,800 report back to council in Q2 of 2027 on the outcome of the service review. The 1347 02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:23,800 end. 1348 02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:29,880 Wow, that's a mouthful. Um, 1349 02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:37,520 does anybody have any questions before I bring staff into this? Councelor 1350 02:50:35,359 --> 02:50:40,800 Roberts. >> Yeah, thanks, Mayor Jen. I guess I'm 1351 02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:43,760 going to need staff to answer it anyways. Is this this is I mean, it took 1352 02:50:42,479 --> 02:50:48,720 us 10 minutes to read it. Is this possible for staff to do this work, 1353 02:50:46,399 --> 02:50:54,319 especially some of the tight timelines I see in there? Um, in addition to the the 1354 02:50:51,760 --> 02:51:00,880 workload they already have. >> So, Brenn, can I just say something 1355 02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:05,279 to just No, stay stay up there. I guess my concern is the Q4 for 2026 when we've 1356 02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:10,240 got the election in there and everybody's working on the budget at 1357 02:51:06,880 --> 02:51:15,200 this point in time. Uh to so to add to councelor Robert's question, I don't see 1358 02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:19,960 that as viable to be able to be done. So can you speak to that when you speak to 1359 02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:19,960 hers 1360 02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:28,240 through you madam mayor? A number of the mechanisms within this can be folded 1361 02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:33,279 into our regular quarterly reporting as is with information that is readily 1362 02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:39,279 available and we'll do a little bit of different configuring within our regular 1363 02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:44,240 quarterly reporting and then the matters that require additional work I believe 1364 02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:48,200 are are addressed through the capital project planning aspects. 1365 02:51:48,319 --> 02:51:55,359 » So sorry just to follow up. So it is feasible. Staff can handle this as it's 1366 02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:59,920 written. >> I'm confident through you, mayor, that 1367 02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:04,800 we can address those quarterly pieces and and certainly if we find that there 1368 02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:09,760 are barriers, I'll report back on that to council and express when we will be 1369 02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:13,200 able to address that going forward. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. 1370 02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:16,399 » So, I'm going to have Mr. Axia clarify that. 1371 02:52:14,319 --> 02:52:20,319 » Thank you. And through you, mayor. Um and just because we are going into this 1372 02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:25,040 election period and think about it through the timing process when when we 1373 02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:29,439 go into elections end of October the first month of November there's a ton of 1374 02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:33,040 work that happens in that period of time uh significant amount of work in terms 1375 02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:38,399 of council orientation we head quickly into the budget process to report 1376 02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:43,359 something back in Q4 uh in terms of an actual report will be a difficult task 1377 02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:48,160 to the degree that it's been outlined in this particular report. So yes, we do 1378 02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:52,319 quarterly reports. We can do our best to try to weave a few things into that. 1379 02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:56,560 Will we be able to accomplish all that's set out in this particular motion? 1380 02:52:54,080 --> 02:53:00,880 Absolutely not. Uh in the in the fourth quarter of 2026 because again we're 1381 02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:05,760 going into the election then quickly into budget. 1382 02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:11,040 » Councelor Ernaw. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Liot. do have a 1383 02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:15,040 question uh uh with respect to the portion of the motion under the heading 1384 02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:19,600 opportunities to further enhance efficiency while maintaining appropriate 1385 02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:25,120 safeguards. The first bullet point there says reliance on certified and sealed 1386 02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:30,880 reports prepared by appropriately licensed professionals eliminating 1387 02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:35,840 internal review. That sounds to me like there would be no opportunity for our 1388 02:53:34,319 --> 02:53:41,040 staff uh to under any circumstances seek a 1389 02:53:38,240 --> 02:53:47,600 peer review. Uh we would be forced to rely on the uh reports that had been 1390 02:53:44,479 --> 02:53:52,640 provided by the developer only. And while in many many many cases that would 1391 02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:58,000 be fine, there are going to be some cases where those reports are of 1392 02:53:54,560 --> 02:54:03,279 questionable validity. And I don't see a discretion here to permit um in 1393 02:54:01,359 --> 02:54:07,040 extraordinary circumstances the uh request for a peer review. And I'm just 1394 02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:13,000 wondering if that was intentional, if I've understood it correctly, or if 1395 02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:13,000 there's an explanation. Thanks. 1396 02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:19,600 » So, Mr. Axia, >> that's the council to answer. 1397 02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:23,399 » Oh, okay. Counselors, do you want to respond to that, please? 1398 02:54:29,359 --> 02:54:34,160 Councelor Schwar, can you respond to that, please? 1399 02:54:31,279 --> 02:54:40,479 » Yes, thank you. So, in this it's it does say um while maintaining appropriate 1400 02:54:37,520 --> 02:54:47,000 safeguards for public safety, uh public health safety, environmental protection, 1401 02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:47,000 and legislative compliance. 1402 02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:52,680 » I don't with respect that doesn't answer my question. 1403 02:54:53,520 --> 02:55:01,279 I'm I'm not sure. So, can you see your question again, councelor? 1404 02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:05,439 » Yes, thank you. The bullet point says that there will be reliance on certified 1405 02:55:03,200 --> 02:55:09,680 and sealed reports prepared by appropriately licensed professionals and 1406 02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:14,880 I understand that to mean professionals that are uh engaged by the developer 1407 02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:20,720 who's making the application. And then it says eliminating internal review, 1408 02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:25,359 which to me says that we our staff has no opportunity to question the veracity 1409 02:55:23,760 --> 02:55:29,840 of the report with which they're presented. It has to be accepted at face 1410 02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:34,279 value, even if it's inadequate in some way. That's my question. 1411 02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:50,960 Um thank you Mayor Le and thanks for your question. So for me what I mean 1412 02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:57,520 about that um when there is for example there's uh there's consultants that we 1413 02:55:53,840 --> 02:56:04,000 get and the uh developer has has prepaid for a consultant and has given the 1414 02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:10,640 information to the staff. um the staff instead of having duplicate reviews or 1415 02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:15,840 or duplicate um duplicate studies they should be relying on the study that is 1416 02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:21,120 before them and and that was the whole point even the Melissa Derell was saying 1417 02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:27,960 is you know we shouldn't be having duplicate studies if a study was done by 1418 02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:27,960 a licensed professional 1419 02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:36,680 do you want Want to follow up with that? Councelor Ernshaw? 1420 02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:42,600 » It wouldn't be a question so much as a comment. I think that's dangerous. 1421 02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:50,960 » Yes, I do too. Councelor Cooper, >> I'm I'm going to wait for comments. Mind 1422 02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:57,399 to comment if we're done with questions. >> Councelor Kimson 1423 02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:57,399 » already approved this. 1424 02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:09,520 Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And for you, um I'm wondering if perhaps um 1425 02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:16,880 there would be there would be um the opportunity to perhaps um 1426 02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:21,920 to ch change the specific wording, for example. Um because I certainly think 1427 02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:26,880 that the intent was that not that it was an all or nothing, but in many in many 1428 02:57:24,800 --> 02:57:31,040 cases when something when something comes through and it has a an engineer 1429 02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:36,399 stamp for example, it has an architecture stamp, an architect stamp 1430 02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:40,800 for example, um in in those situations where you have the appropriately 1431 02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:47,279 licensed individual using their their seal, their technical report, um 1432 02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:52,160 we shouldn't necessarily automatically default default to the requirement for 1433 02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:57,120 review, but whether or not there is a way that we can 1434 02:57:54,960 --> 02:58:00,560 decrease the amount of time I guess would be there. So, I don't know if 1435 02:57:58,319 --> 02:58:03,840 eliminating is necessarily the word and perhaps that's a little too strong, but 1436 02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:10,000 I'm wondering if that's something where we could um rework the intent if that 1437 02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:14,399 would make um councelor Ernshaw feel better. 1438 02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:18,880 Um, following up on that same thing, when I 1439 02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:23,520 see Reliance and certified and sealed reports, what do you mean by sealed? 1440 02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:26,160 Like so that nobody gets to see them, the public doesn't get to see them. What 1441 02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:29,680 do you mean by that? >> So the idea is when someone would use 1442 02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:33,279 their seal or their stamp. >> Okay. Because the wording sounds like 1443 02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:36,720 it's an NDA or something here, >> right? So I I Yes. I guess the idea 1444 02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:42,640 would be like the certified like the stamped or so that it's it's by an 1445 02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:47,840 individual who has the appropriate license through their through their 1446 02:58:45,200 --> 02:58:52,560 college, their trade, um their their professional designation. So essentially 1447 02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:56,399 by putting it forward under their name, they're they're putting their their 1448 02:58:54,880 --> 02:59:02,000 livelihood, they're putting their stamp on it, per se. and you you would you 1449 02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:06,880 would like to think that that um that is coming forward in such in such a way 1450 02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:09,880 that it has a um a level of validity to it. 1451 02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:17,840 » Are there any other questions before we go to comments? Councelor Roberts. 1452 02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:21,120 » Yeah, thank you, Mayor Jan. And I I guess this question is for maybe 1453 02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:25,040 councelor, but would the the two councilors that are bringing this 1454 02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:30,960 forward be willing to adjust that Q4 timeline to 1455 02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:35,439 next year potentially just given what's going on with the election and what um 1456 02:59:33,520 --> 02:59:39,760 city manager Axia had spoken about in terms of the impact on staff over the 1457 02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:44,160 next few months with budget and everything. 1458 02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:48,800 Well, in addition to that, there may be new counselors around this horseshoe 1459 02:59:46,560 --> 02:59:53,600 » who will have no idea what this is about. They've had no onboarding, no no 1460 02:59:51,439 --> 02:59:57,279 workshops, nothing in order to comprehend what this is even about. And 1461 02:59:55,600 --> 03:00:01,279 I think that's very unfair to be bringing forward to a new council as 1462 02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:04,960 well. That would be my comment here. Council Schwar. 1463 03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:10,319 » Um, thank you. Yeah, I'd like to respond to that. Um I did um speak with staff 1464 03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:15,680 like we've been instructed prior to bringing this motion forward and the 1465 03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:20,800 dates were provided by them with that they felt comfortable. Um I don't work 1466 03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:26,640 in that department obviously I don't know their workload but the dates were 1467 03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:32,880 because of what was felt and I I believe Miss Neely said that for them it's just 1468 03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:39,520 a matter of this ad adjusting um some figures or um so it would be something 1469 03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:48,000 that they could easily do and that's why this those dates were brought. 1470 03:00:43,520 --> 03:00:53,359 However, if u Mr. Bramberg um disagrees. It's his department. So, 1471 03:00:51,040 --> 03:00:58,160 » well, as the city manager said, those dates are not not can't be accommodated. 1472 03:00:56,319 --> 03:01:03,439 Councelor Cooper, >> are we on comments now? 1473 03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:07,600 » Okay. Thank you. Um I'm I'm I'm very I'm very concerned 1474 03:01:05,439 --> 03:01:13,040 about this. I understand the spirit of this. Um it's nice. Obviously, we want 1475 03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:17,279 to find um we want to find efficiencies. We want to speed things up, but I'm I'm 1476 03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:22,880 very concerned about the actual the depth, the volume of this. Um when our 1477 03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:26,560 frankly our staff are already incredibly busy. If I was staff right now, I'd be 1478 03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:30,800 cringing at looking at at what is being asked right now. I feel there's 1479 03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:36,080 definitely an element of um unfairly questioning staff to an excessive level. 1480 03:01:33,439 --> 03:01:42,240 And obviously they need accountability. Um, but I feel I I just feel this is 1481 03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:47,200 this is an overreach. Um, to the point it's almost offensive to staff when we 1482 03:01:44,720 --> 03:01:50,319 we hire quality staff and we trust them to do a good job and I feel like they're 1483 03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:53,520 not going to be spending their time doing their job. They're going to be 1484 03:01:51,439 --> 03:01:58,399 spending defending spending time writing a pause defending what they've done for 1485 03:01:55,279 --> 03:02:02,319 the past four years. Um, and that's why I'm very con I'm very concerned about 1486 03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:07,279 that. It's um I feel this is just too much. Um, again, nothing wrong with 1487 03:02:05,359 --> 03:02:10,399 finding efficiencies. I think this goes way too far to the point of being 1488 03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:15,200 offensive to staff. That's just my opinion. Thank you, 1489 03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:19,920 » Councelor Kimson. >> Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And um I 1490 03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:25,920 guess I just would like to get some clarification on a comment that you made 1491 03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:32,319 about um bringing this motion in today and how um as as this is towards the end 1492 03:02:29,439 --> 03:02:36,479 of this term, how the next council there may be different people here and they 1493 03:02:33,840 --> 03:02:40,640 may not wish to follow it. Um however, we're here today and we have this motion 1494 03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:44,399 and others before us. So does that I'm not sure how that what you mean by that 1495 03:02:42,880 --> 03:02:50,560 because we are the sitting council of the day and we are in the position where 1496 03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:56,080 if we choose we can approve or not approve a motion before us and that is 1497 03:02:53,680 --> 03:03:00,560 something where um you know come November December if there's others they 1498 03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:04,640 wish to change it they can but for now we have we have the ability to do that 1499 03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:08,880 am I correct >> no that's not what I said what I said is 1500 03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:14,560 new counselors would not be able to understand any reports coming forward, 1501 03:03:12,080 --> 03:03:17,920 accept them or re rework them or anything because they won't have any 1502 03:03:16,399 --> 03:03:24,479 comprehension of what they're even about. That's what I'm saying. I'm not 1503 03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:29,600 I'm not saying what you had said. So, I I realize this council has this 1504 03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:36,399 option here tonight. I'm saying that you've put dates in here 1505 03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:41,359 that are unachievable according to to um first off by the city manager, but also 1506 03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:45,920 I don't I don't think that that next coun the timing is here for the next 1507 03:03:43,439 --> 03:03:51,359 council to be able to work with whatever information comes forward. That's all. 1508 03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:57,600 Uh if I may follow up, I certainly I I wouldn't be opposed to um adjusting the 1509 03:03:53,600 --> 03:04:02,080 dates per um city manager Axia um given given that he is familiar with the 1510 03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:05,840 workflow and that what staff are working on at this time and if that's something 1511 03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:10,960 that we need to do and that would also allow for additional time for um 1512 03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:14,240 whatever whoever is here as far as council goes to become more familiar 1513 03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:17,240 with it. I think that's a reasonable compromise. 1514 03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:26,880 Thank you and through through you chair. Um the dates is one aspect of this and I 1515 03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:31,279 will build a bit on what councelor Cooper had had mentioned as well is that 1516 03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:36,080 this is really diving deep into the operations and the technical 1517 03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:43,760 requirements that staff professional staff um are required to do. and it is 1518 03:04:41,279 --> 03:04:48,800 beginning to have uh elected officials at the policy and governance level come 1519 03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:54,960 directly into the operation to a very uh deep extent. So that is that is a 1520 03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:57,760 concerning line uh that it's not that we don't want to have efficiencies. I do 1521 03:04:56,560 --> 03:05:04,800 think we we all need to have efficiencies um but it is inviting too 1522 03:05:00,880 --> 03:05:10,399 much uh technical expertise that staff have that council is now diving too far 1523 03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:15,840 into the operation. So I do caution that as well. Uh and do encourage council to 1524 03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:21,920 uh consider staying at the policy and governance level. 1525 03:05:18,880 --> 03:05:25,600 » Councelor Hamilton. >> Thank you, Mayor Le and through you. Um 1526 03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:29,040 and I think council's probably unified when we say we all want to reduce costs 1527 03:05:27,359 --> 03:05:34,160 and delays in development approvals to support housing affordability. I think 1528 03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:38,000 we're all on the same boat there. Um, but I think if the goal is, of course, 1529 03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:41,279 we want to reduce costs and delays in planning. We know the time is money, we 1530 03:05:39,520 --> 03:05:44,319 all want more clarity, done. I think we're all in agreement there. But I 1531 03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:48,479 think my challenge is with this, and I think we're all dancing around it, is 1532 03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:53,840 that this does dive pretty deep into city processes um asking for quarterly 1533 03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:59,760 reports, another report in Q4, a new capital project. Um, and of course, as 1534 03:05:56,160 --> 03:06:04,240 councelor um, uh, Ernshaw pointed out the question around peer review. um not 1535 03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:08,319 necessarily do we need peer reviews all the time but what safety mechanism would 1536 03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:12,240 we have should we decide hey the veracity of this report should be 1537 03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:17,920 questioned should we get a peer review um so I think we all agree the spirit is 1538 03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:23,279 strong but the flesh on this one might be a little weak so might I suggest to 1539 03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:28,160 the two movers to maybe bring this back possibly at the September 15th meeting 1540 03:06:26,319 --> 03:06:31,200 maybe diving a little less deep skimming a little bit more on the surface working 1541 03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:35,279 a bit more with staff in terms of the timelines not diving into the 1542 03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:39,120 operational components of the the city. Um, and that might make this a little 1543 03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:43,760 bit more tangible and digestible for this council or whomever sits around 1544 03:06:40,479 --> 03:06:49,279 this horseshoe uh during the first term of 2027 cuz I'm not sure if I can 1545 03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:54,160 support it in this form because it is it is pretty intense. Um, but I understand 1546 03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:57,600 the impetus behind it and I understand the need for this clarity like that much 1547 03:06:56,240 --> 03:07:00,319 is not lost on me. So, I'm just wondering if if the mover and the 1548 03:06:58,880 --> 03:07:04,240 secondary would consider that, bring it back with a little bit less oomph that's 1549 03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:09,920 more digestible. >> Are you asking for a deferral? 1550 03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:14,399 » Uh, if in the deferral some work on this could be done, sure. But if if there's 1551 03:07:13,120 --> 03:07:18,319 if the mover and the second aren't willing to alter the motion, then there 1552 03:07:16,080 --> 03:07:22,399 would be no point of the deferral. >> You know what I mean? 1553 03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:25,600 » No. No. They they have that opportunity to work. You're asking to work on it. 1554 03:07:24,160 --> 03:07:27,680 So, you're asking for a deferral till then? I would ask for a deferral in that 1555 03:07:27,279 --> 03:07:31,359 case. Yes. >> Okay. Do you have a seconder? 1556 03:07:29,680 --> 03:07:35,479 Councelor Earshaw. >> Okay. We will vote on the deferral. 1557 03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:47,319 » Opening voting. 1558 03:07:51,439 --> 03:07:57,200 Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 1559 03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:13,680 Councelor Meta now has the second motion to present tonight regarding Greenfisted 1560 03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:17,359 Drive and Essex Point Drive. I understand you have res revised wording 1561 03:08:15,840 --> 03:08:21,359 for this motion that was published on the addendum. 1562 03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:25,200 Um we will ask if there are any objections from council to put forward 1563 03:08:22,960 --> 03:08:29,120 the motion as revised. And is there a seconder for this motion? 1564 03:08:27,200 --> 03:08:33,680 » Thank you, Mayor Jen. Yes, there is. It is moved by myself, seconded by 1565 03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:39,040 councelor Sherryi. And you are right. The word has changed. The recommendation 1566 03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:42,560 is whereas the residential area near Green Vista Drive. 1567 03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:48,800 » Can you start over please? >> Yeah. Um the motion is moved by myself, 1568 03:08:45,920 --> 03:08:53,840 seconded by councelor Sheri and the recommendation is whereas the 1569 03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:58,560 residential area near Green Vista Drive and Essex Point Drive has experienced 1570 03:08:56,000 --> 03:09:02,479 significant growth and is home to a large and growing number of young 1571 03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:08,560 families. And whereas the recently approved city of Cambridge parks master 1572 03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:13,680 plan identifies a specific area north of Green Vista Drive as having a lower 1573 03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:18,000 parkland provision service level and prioritizes it for future park 1574 03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:23,040 amenities. And whereas there is a pressing need for local accessible and 1575 03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:27,680 active recreational facilities for children, youth, and families in this 1576 03:09:25,359 --> 03:09:33,960 specific neighborhood. And whereas design work on capital projects 1577 03:09:30,960 --> 03:09:33,960 A01463-40 1578 03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:44,080 park development sagena subdivision has commenced that city staff be directed to 1579 03:09:40,960 --> 03:09:49,840 explore the potential for installing park features that may include a 1580 03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:55,359 playground shade structure seating andor outdoor courts and the Essex Point and 1581 03:09:52,640 --> 03:10:01,200 Green Vista Drive trail head parks. and that staff conduct consultation with the 1582 03:09:58,560 --> 03:10:06,600 community residents both online and in person. And I would like to speak to the 1583 03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:06,600 motion, please. 1584 03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:15,520 So, you jumped in before we got the approval of council for the revised mo 1585 03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:20,120 motion. So, can I just have a hands up? Is everybody okay with the revised 1586 03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:20,120 motion? 1587 03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:28,840 Hands up if you're approved. Okay. Okay. Guess council have any questions on this 1588 03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:33,960 council. Is that for this? 1589 03:10:34,080 --> 03:10:39,359 Council Roberts. Thank you, Mayor Jan, and through you. 1590 03:10:37,920 --> 03:10:44,240 Um, I just have a question for staff. So, it says here that design work has 1591 03:10:41,760 --> 03:10:48,080 commenced. Um, so would this be the appropriate time for this motion to come 1592 03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:52,160 forward? It kind of reminds me of one that we saw around budget time. So, I 1593 03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:56,720 wasn't sure if it was something that should be would be more appropriately 1594 03:10:54,160 --> 03:11:01,200 brought up at budget time or since the project is underway, does it make sense 1595 03:10:59,040 --> 03:11:06,080 for this to be discussed and brought forward now? 1596 03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:11,200 » So, it's important for council to note at this point in time that this is an 1597 03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:16,560 approved 2024 capital project in place for Green Vista and Essex Point Drive 1598 03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:20,720 and it is scheduled to start in 2027. Motion in front of council direct staff 1599 03:11:18,399 --> 03:11:25,120 to explore certain park amenities during the project and it directs staff to 1600 03:11:22,880 --> 03:11:29,520 conduct consultation with community residents as part of the project's 1601 03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:34,960 scope. And Alex, I see you're trying to get up here to speak to this. No. 1602 03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:37,359 Yes, you are. I want to hear from you. I want to hear from you. 1603 03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:41,279 » True you, Madam Mayor. You answered that question, so I don't I didn't need to. 1604 03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:45,279 Thanks. >> Sorry. Just to follow up. So, the answer 1605 03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:49,439 is this is already happening. we don't need to be bringing this motion forward. 1606 03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:53,600 Is that what the answer is? >> Correct. This is an approved capital 1607 03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:57,439 project from 2024 and we are assuming the lands and so the project is 1608 03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:59,520 scheduled to start in 2027 >> including public consultation. 1609 03:11:58,960 --> 03:12:02,080 » That's right. >> Thank you. 1610 03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:05,120 » Yep. >> Thank you. 1611 03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:08,800 » Do you want to withdraw this motion? >> Thank you. 1612 03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:13,439 » Want to proceed to keep the ball rolling and to to symbolize to the community 1613 03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:18,319 that it is happening. I've been having a lot of questions from people just asking 1614 03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:24,720 about the delays of that corner and this just lets them know that the momentum is 1615 03:12:20,960 --> 03:12:28,880 carrying on and also the public will have some feedback that they want to be 1616 03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:33,040 able to you know to raise the issues that they want to see like for example 1617 03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:37,359 whether they want to have basketball instead of a shade structure or if 1618 03:12:35,279 --> 03:12:41,680 they're fine with a shade structure and certainly they want to have a playground 1619 03:12:38,960 --> 03:12:46,880 as well. So this is in my view it's just more routine just to um signal to the 1620 03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:51,319 community that things are happening and to continue to consult with the 1621 03:12:48,319 --> 03:12:51,319 residents. 1622 03:13:31,359 --> 03:13:37,439 I'm trying to figure out how to deal with this, Nick, because this this 1623 03:13:34,399 --> 03:13:41,840 motion is like it's already being done. It's like we're redoing the same work 1624 03:13:40,080 --> 03:13:46,960 all over again and you're asking staff to redo the same work. So, just trying 1625 03:13:44,479 --> 03:13:52,560 to figure out how to deal with this. >> Thank you for letting me 1626 03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:55,680 » Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. We heard you. Councelor Kimson, while we're trying to 1627 03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:59,600 figure this out, did you have a question? 1628 03:13:56,720 --> 03:14:03,279 » Um, I'll I'll wait for you to try and figure things out. 1629 03:14:01,680 --> 03:14:06,279 » I don't know if I'm going to get to that point. 1630 03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:12,319 » Councelor Divine, do you have a question? 1631 03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:18,640 » Like two minutes. >> Well, question or comment. Um, I don't 1632 03:14:16,479 --> 03:14:23,040 understand why it's here. I think we I would ask councelor M to withdraw it if 1633 03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:28,319 this is being done and it's already being done. I we're flogging a dead 1634 03:14:26,479 --> 03:14:33,120 horse. I I and be quite honest with you, if it 1635 03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:37,160 comes to a vote, I'll vote against it because it doesn't need to be here. 1636 03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:42,960 » Do you want to call a point of order on this? 1637 03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:46,960 » I can. Sure. Call point of order. Sure. >> Okay. 1638 03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:50,319 » You happy to do that? Okay. I I I don't think it should be here or it's being 1639 03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:56,960 done. The city staff have worked on this. They've consulted and 1640 03:14:54,000 --> 03:15:00,880 I I don't think it should be. I really don't. Sorry. 1641 03:14:58,319 --> 03:15:05,560 » Okay. I approve your point of order. Motion's off the floor. 1642 03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:05,560 » Thank you. 1643 03:15:14,880 --> 03:15:17,880 Councelor 1644 03:15:18,239 --> 03:15:25,359 Meta, your next motion is on park amenities for Green Vista Drive and 1645 03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:27,840 Essex Point Drive. Can you please put your motion on the floor? And who is 1646 03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:31,439 your seconder? >> Thank you, Mayor Jane. We just dealt 1647 03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:34,920 with that. This is the next one's on the density transfer. 1648 03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:45,120 » Okay, so it's two different motions. So you both of them are 1649 03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:49,200 » Oh, I didn't know that was to this one. 1650 03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:53,439 » Oops, sorry. That's that was me. Sorry. Apologize for that. The investigation of 1651 03:15:51,520 --> 03:15:56,239 the density transfer. So, who's your seconder? 1652 03:15:54,399 --> 03:15:59,720 » Thank you, Mayor Jan. Councelor Cooper would be the seconder. 1653 03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:07,920 » Okay. So the the whereas the city of Cambridge continually needs to review 1654 03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:13,040 additional proactive planning tools to manage sorry significant growth while 1655 03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:18,880 protecting its very unique character. And whereas transfer of development 1656 03:16:14,960 --> 03:16:23,760 rights TDRs can preserve sensitive lands and heritage areas while directing 1657 03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:27,680 density to more appropriate corridors. And whereas such frameworks can balance 1658 03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:34,319 intensification with [snorts] neighborhood character. And whereas the 1659 03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:38,720 2026 the 2030 council will require additional planning options to guide 1660 03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:44,239 future growth. Now therefore be it resolved that council direct staff to 1661 03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:50,479 research transfer of development right TDR policies across Canada and report 1662 03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:56,160 back to the new council by the end of 2027 with options and best practices for 1663 03:16:54,160 --> 03:17:00,800 consideration. Now I would like to speak to it. 1664 03:16:58,239 --> 03:17:04,200 » Okay. Okay. Are there any questions? Councilor Roberts. 1665 03:17:05,200 --> 03:17:11,840 » Thank you, Mayor Jan. And through you, um, isn't this pretty much the like what 1666 03:17:10,239 --> 03:17:16,319 we just did, the Hustler road secondary plan, like we were already ensuring that 1667 03:17:14,160 --> 03:17:20,479 intens like the density is going in the places where it needs to go. And this 1668 03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:26,479 sounds like it might just be moving things around in places or am I 1669 03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:29,279 understanding it incorrectly? Um 1670 03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:32,160 » to me like a secondary plan is >> the tool around this right 1671 03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:38,399 » I think he's talking about through the whole city so right yes correct um 1672 03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:41,279 » thank you mayor J comment now 1673 03:17:39,279 --> 03:17:47,880 » this would be comprehensive across the entire city and it's also a separate 1674 03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:47,880 policy as well 1675 03:17:48,479 --> 03:17:54,479 » do you want to speak more to that or do you want to do you have a followup 1676 03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:56,880 councelor Roberts >> I do yeah thank you Sorry. Go ahead. No, 1677 03:17:56,560 --> 03:17:59,840 go ahead. >> Um, 1678 03:17:58,479 --> 03:18:05,040 » I just really don't understand how this would work. So, if someone owns a piece 1679 03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:09,920 of land and they apply for a development application, um, we can 1680 03:18:07,840 --> 03:18:14,399 just say no, you have to move and buy land somewhere else like I don't really 1681 03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:20,880 understand logistically. Is someone able to speak to the logistics of how TDRs 1682 03:18:18,239 --> 03:18:25,439 work? And before we look at digging deeper into 1683 03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:29,520 it, Um I think think councelor meta can 1684 03:18:28,160 --> 03:18:33,760 speak to that but I think he's just asking for us to research the policies 1685 03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:37,359 that are out there not to do do anything with them just come back with a report 1686 03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:42,319 on all what policies are available councelor am I correct 1687 03:18:39,040 --> 03:18:46,880 » council may this is just to research the policy but I think I would like to speak 1688 03:18:44,960 --> 03:18:51,279 to it and that might answer some of the questions and if council has more 1689 03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:54,160 questions then we could dive into that then 1690 03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:58,239 » if you're okay with that or I can >> I And we're going to go to the questions 1691 03:18:56,080 --> 03:19:03,600 just for procedural reasons and then maybe if you if you want to hold if they 1692 03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:06,720 have questions that relate to you can answer them all at the same time. Is 1693 03:19:05,920 --> 03:19:09,760 that okay? >> Okay. 1694 03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:13,680 » Okay. Councelor Hamilton. >> Uh thank you Mayor Leon for you. Um this 1695 03:19:11,840 --> 03:19:16,880 is new to me like the idea of dividing up density of let's say something like a 1696 03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:21,439 farmland and selling off pieces like credits to try to earn density in other 1697 03:19:18,800 --> 03:19:24,960 areas. Uh, I don't want to be that guy always deferring motions tonight, but 1698 03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:28,720 maybe a deferral on the floor so council can actually understand what TDs are, 1699 03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:32,560 where they've been used, the pros and cons, whether or not we need them in 1700 03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:36,160 this type of a municipality, whether or not they're more suited for rural or 1701 03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:39,920 urban. I just don't know what they are. So, I don't know if I should tell staff 1702 03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:43,439 to, hey, go research these if ultimately it won't be worth their best interest. 1703 03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:47,439 Or maybe staff can comment on if this will be ownorous or not. 1704 03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:50,160 » Okay. So I should have gone to him for the comment if you're putting a deferral 1705 03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:55,200 on the fair because the floor because that's not fair to the council withdraw 1706 03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:57,600 your deferral while we go I am happy to withdraw the 1707 03:19:55,920 --> 03:20:01,920 » Okay. So let's go to councelor meta and let him talk about this. 1708 03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:07,600 » Thank you mayor Jan very quickly before I say my um speech or can I just answer 1709 03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:11,760 the question briefly since councelor Hamilton did ask a question. So there 1710 03:20:10,239 --> 03:20:16,720 are different ways to do this for different reasons. Some municipalities 1711 03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:21,760 do it to save heritage. So Vancouver would be one such municipality. It is a 1712 03:20:18,880 --> 03:20:26,160 tool to save heritage because you know the high land values for example that's 1713 03:20:23,760 --> 03:20:32,000 a deterrent to heritage preservation. So it's a market orientated solution to try 1714 03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:35,760 to address that. Other cities do it so that you don't get a cannon effect down 1715 03:20:33,920 --> 03:20:40,160 one road that you get a like a variety of heights so that maybe one building is 1716 03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:44,560 four stories, the next one over might be 15 story. But it's done in a way of 1717 03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:48,880 course where it all fits but it doesn't have that wall down the street and 1718 03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:55,040 reduce street in Ottawa would be you know an an example of of that approach. 1719 03:20:51,760 --> 03:20:59,680 So um I will get into my remarks um if that's good with you mayor Jen. So we 1720 03:20:57,520 --> 03:21:04,800 are facing a defining moment in our city's history. Growth pressures are 1721 03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:09,279 accelerating across Ontario and like many municipalities, we are grappling 1722 03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:14,720 with how to accommodate new housing and density without losing the very unique 1723 03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:18,960 character, heritage and identity of our neighborhoods. I first encountered the 1724 03:21:17,040 --> 03:21:24,800 mechanics of transfer of development rights or density transfers at a 1725 03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:30,880 conference. I saw it not just as a theoretical academic co concept but also 1726 03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:37,279 a pragmatic marketdriven planning tool that actively empower cities to manage 1727 03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:43,840 growth rather than merely react to it. As reported in the water region record, 1728 03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:50,000 this tool allows density to be traded or sold between property owners. It enables 1729 03:21:46,720 --> 03:21:55,680 a prop a project to exceed base density limits in designated appropriate areas 1730 03:21:53,120 --> 03:22:00,800 while actively safeguarding vulnerable heritage or lowdensity neighborhoods 1731 03:21:58,080 --> 03:22:06,880 from outofscale development. Put simply, it is a smart mechanism to lift unwanted 1732 03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:10,720 inappropriate density off a site that cannot handle it whether due to 1733 03:22:08,880 --> 03:22:16,160 infrastructure limits, environmental sensitivities, heritage sensitivity, or 1734 03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:20,800 neighborhood fabric. and it safely transfers it to a location that is 1735 03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:26,640 optimized and zoned for that level of growth. We need modern tools to match 1736 03:22:23,680 --> 03:22:31,439 modern challenges. Relying on a rigid one-sizefits-all approach to infill 1737 03:22:28,880 --> 03:22:36,000 development creates unnecessary friction between residents, council, and 1738 03:22:33,359 --> 03:22:39,760 developers. And by directing staff to research how other Canadian 1739 03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:43,680 municipalities have successfully implemented transfer of development 1740 03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:49,359 right policies, we are doing our due diligence. We are asking staff to study 1741 03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:54,800 options and best practices so that when the new term of council arrives, it will 1742 03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:59,680 have a fully vetted homegrown toolkit ready for deployment. And this is just 1743 03:22:57,200 --> 03:23:03,520 another approach in the tool box or another tool in the toolbox. I know 1744 03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:07,439 we've already got great policies and we're working on secondary plans and 1745 03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:12,239 things like that, but this is another tool that we can have in addition to 1746 03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:16,000 that. And I think the more the more tools that we have, so to speak, you 1747 03:23:14,319 --> 03:23:21,200 know, the more we can respond to community concerns. So, I encourage you 1748 03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:24,960 as my colleagues and friends to vote in favor of this motion. Let's give our 1749 03:23:22,960 --> 03:23:29,040 city the foresight that it deserves, or I should say, let's continue to give our 1750 03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:34,880 city the foresight it deserves. We can't use 20th century zoning to solve 21st 1751 03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:39,840 century growth challenges. Density transfers give us a market-driven way to 1752 03:23:37,040 --> 03:23:44,080 steer the growth to the right locations. while protecting the unique identity of 1753 03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:48,000 our established neighborhoods. And this isn't about stopping growth. It's about 1754 03:23:46,000 --> 03:23:53,200 putting density where it actually belongs. Let's make sure our city grows 1755 03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:57,520 smart, not just fast. And I encourage you as my colleagues and friends to vote 1756 03:23:55,200 --> 03:24:00,960 in favor of this motion. Let's continue to give our city the foresight it 1757 03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:04,080 deserves. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councelor Met. I actually 1758 03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:08,880 think it's a great motion, but I'm going to ask Mr. Axia to speak to this from 1759 03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:13,200 the perspective of staff and as a planning tool. 1760 03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:16,880 » Thank you and through through you mayor. So uh I I'll refer to the motion and and 1761 03:24:15,359 --> 03:24:22,000 thank you councelor for putting this one on the floor. Um the the last part of it 1762 03:24:19,520 --> 03:24:26,720 in terms of now therefore be it resolved council directs staff to research TDR 1763 03:24:24,560 --> 03:24:32,399 policies across Canada and report back to to the new council by the end of 2027 1764 03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:36,640 with options and be best practices for consideration. So that's a that's a very 1765 03:24:34,640 --> 03:24:40,479 open-ended that's provides some research to go do off go off staff and do some 1766 03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:44,000 research come back with information for council to consider. So it's a very 1767 03:24:42,399 --> 03:24:47,760 open-ended it gives us a lot of time to do that information and then I still 1768 03:24:46,000 --> 03:24:51,359 think it allows council to have some good dialogue and debate over the 1769 03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:54,560 information that they receive. So from a staff perspective uh we're more than 1770 03:24:53,120 --> 03:24:59,920 happy to proceed should council wish to move forward. 1771 03:24:56,800 --> 03:25:03,520 » Councelor Cooper. Uh yes, as a second I don't necessarily have a a question or a 1772 03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:08,319 comment just more something I suppose it is a comment about why this why we're 1773 03:25:05,600 --> 03:25:12,399 doing this. Am I okay with that? >> Yes. I'm not asking any question. I just 1774 03:25:10,319 --> 03:25:17,359 like to comment on why we Okay, thank you. Um yes, this is um I've this is 1775 03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:21,200 actually quite new to me. I've been looking into this though and it's it's 1776 03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:26,640 um it's very interesting. It's this is a a tool as council meta said that can um 1777 03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:31,520 that can actually avoid um potentially avoid us going to the OOLT. Um we get we 1778 03:25:29,359 --> 03:25:34,080 get a we get a development um that's proposed somewhere. This is just a 1779 03:25:32,640 --> 03:25:38,160 scenario. A development is proposed somewhere and for whatever reason you 1780 03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:42,640 know with her heritage or you know the neighbors not into it. We want to bring 1781 03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:45,760 it down from 20 to 10 stories. Um it's either yes or no. It goes off to the 1782 03:25:43,920 --> 03:25:48,960 OOLT. Well, in this case, um the developer, we can have another option to 1783 03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:53,920 go the developer with where they're basically taking um their density as 1784 03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:57,920 credits and they can sell it to somebody else, say over in the Hesper secondary 1785 03:25:56,000 --> 03:26:03,680 plan on Hesper Road for a much more appropriate area. So, the initial um the 1786 03:26:01,200 --> 03:26:09,359 initial uh development that we want to keep low for whatever reason stays low. 1787 03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:13,120 The developers happy because they still get the they still get money. They've 1788 03:26:10,960 --> 03:26:17,359 sold the value that was inherent in that height. it goes elsewhere to a more 1789 03:26:15,200 --> 03:26:22,640 appropriate area and it becomes it's a situation that really um fosters a 1790 03:26:20,080 --> 03:26:27,040 win-win situation very potentially keep us away from the OOLT um when you 1791 03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:31,680 actually look into this this makes a lot of sense and I don't see any negatives 1792 03:26:29,600 --> 03:26:36,399 to it doesn't mean we have to use it anybody has to use it but it's there as 1793 03:26:33,680 --> 03:26:40,319 an option and I I urge all of you to look into and I know staff will um will 1794 03:26:38,880 --> 03:26:44,479 come back with a good report on this but it's I found it very interesting very 1795 03:26:42,800 --> 03:26:48,239 very Few negatives. Thank you. >> For someone who said he didn't know much 1796 03:26:46,000 --> 03:26:54,080 about it, you seem to know more than you could write the report yourself. I think 1797 03:26:52,080 --> 03:27:00,479 I Yeah. When I look at this, I think of Grand A, you know, the the W five one 1798 03:26:58,399 --> 03:27:04,479 with the uh where we were looking for the height reduction there. That that 1799 03:27:02,640 --> 03:27:08,319 probably would have solved that problem. Councelor Meta, 1800 03:27:05,920 --> 03:27:12,880 » you may jan through and I do appreciate all the feedback and the questions. I 1801 03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:18,160 also want to emphasize that should this policy pass at some point in the future 1802 03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:23,520 it is a public process and if there are those kind of tradeoffs that is a public 1803 03:27:20,399 --> 03:27:29,439 process and um some municipalities actually have what they call a density 1804 03:27:26,319 --> 03:27:33,920 register and or a density bank and I mean it it's kind of strange it's it 1805 03:27:31,520 --> 03:27:38,479 could be complicated but it's very practical it has been done and I don't 1806 03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:42,080 claim to know all the answers that's why I'm saying we need to get staff to 1807 03:27:40,560 --> 03:27:47,279 review this and come back with some options. Thank you. 1808 03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:51,640 » Okay, I think it's a great motion. Um, we're going to call for that vote now. 1809 03:27:53,600 --> 03:27:57,000 » Opening voting. 1810 03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:07,359 » Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 1811 03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:11,359 So, moving on to councelor Meta's third motion regarding community engagement 1812 03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:15,279 expansion planning for Fiddlesticks Community Center and Parks and the 1813 03:28:12,640 --> 03:28:19,040 Fiddlesticks catchment area. I understand you'd like to withdraw your 1814 03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:23,760 originally worded motion regarding the Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association to 1815 03:28:21,439 --> 03:28:28,800 replace it with the newly worded motion as published on revised agenda today. 1816 03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:36,399 Are there any objections before I have the clerk respond to anything here 1817 03:28:32,560 --> 03:28:42,880 to the um revised motion? I see none. Okay. Um can I have the 1818 03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:47,680 deputy? Sorry. Oh. Oh, councelor Roberts. 1819 03:28:44,880 --> 03:28:51,680 » Yeah, sorry. I don't see revisions like would they be highlighted in this 1820 03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:54,640 version or >> Please. 1821 03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:58,160 » Thank you and thank you, Madam Mayor. Um due to the changes being a bit more 1822 03:28:56,399 --> 03:29:04,399 substantial than just minor like wording revisions, we replaced it um entirely 1823 03:29:00,640 --> 03:29:09,200 with what the um new version looked like on the revised agenda. 1824 03:29:07,200 --> 03:29:12,640 » And sorry, was this given to us or this was just what was on our desk like when 1825 03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:17,439 we came in? >> No, I could speak to that as well. Um 1826 03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:21,040 but the revised agenda was published um either today or yesterday with that 1827 03:29:18,960 --> 03:29:24,960 revised wording. That one was the one from today. 1828 03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:28,479 » Okay. But it wasn't it wasn't clear that it was revised. Correct. Like 1829 03:29:27,200 --> 03:29:31,840 » I didn't know it was revised till just the second. 1830 03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:35,120 » Okay. So the deputy clerk is going to speak to this. 1831 03:29:32,800 --> 03:29:39,439 » Okay. >> Thank you madame mayor and through you. 1832 03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:46,000 Um so the on the revised agenda it is indicated that is it is a revised motion 1833 03:29:42,160 --> 03:29:50,000 um from councelor and that came from discussions with staff and that was 1834 03:29:47,439 --> 03:29:54,479 revised accordingly. Um I also the document that was in front of you is uh 1835 03:29:52,720 --> 03:29:59,439 late correspondence that was received from the Fiddle 6 Community Center board 1836 03:29:56,720 --> 03:30:03,040 of directors. Um this will be included in the minutes so that it is public 1837 03:30:00,960 --> 03:30:06,479 record and just wanted to indicate that it was distributed to council but it'll 1838 03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:11,120 be included on the minutes. So that was a document that you received um in front 1839 03:30:08,960 --> 03:30:15,439 of you. And then like I mentioned um on the publication of the revised agenda 1840 03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:20,239 today was the revised wording um from councelor Meta based on discussions with 1841 03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:24,520 staff and he's presumably going to read the revised wording. 1842 03:30:25,760 --> 03:30:32,960 » So councelor Mendo, do you have a seconder for your revised motion? 1843 03:30:29,439 --> 03:30:38,560 » Thank you, Mayor J. >> Yes, I do. Council Sheri, 1844 03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:43,760 thank you. So I am going to read this motion and I would like to speak to it. 1845 03:30:41,359 --> 03:30:48,080 Um okay so where whereas residents of the Fiddlesticks neighborhood have 1846 03:30:45,760 --> 03:30:52,880 expressed a strong desire for an expansion of the Fiddlesticks Community 1847 03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:57,439 Center to address growing programmatic recreational and community needs. And 1848 03:30:55,840 --> 03:31:02,800 whereas the local neighborhood association board has identified 1849 03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:07,359 operational design and or fiscal considerations that require further 1850 03:31:04,640 --> 03:31:11,840 analysis and collaborative review before a capital funding commitment is 1851 03:31:09,279 --> 03:31:16,800 considered. And whereas it is the policy of this council to ensure that major 1852 03:31:14,479 --> 03:31:23,680 neighborhood infrastructure investments are guided by robust public input, staff 1853 03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:29,520 expertise, and consensus among community stakeholders. Whereas planning for 1854 03:31:26,479 --> 03:31:35,760 future capital budget cycles require timely data-driven reports to properly 1855 03:31:33,439 --> 03:31:40,399 evaluate and prioritize municipal infrastructure funding requests. 1856 03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:46,239 Therefore, be it resolved that city council direct staff to initiate a 1857 03:31:43,279 --> 03:31:52,160 comprehensive community consultation and stakeholder engagement process regarding 1858 03:31:49,439 --> 03:31:56,960 the potential expansion and facility needs of the Fiddlesticks Community 1859 03:31:54,080 --> 03:32:02,319 Center as well as general park recreational needs for the entire 1860 03:31:59,760 --> 03:32:06,720 Fiddlesticks catchment area and [snorts] that staff be directed to invite 1861 03:32:04,399 --> 03:32:11,600 representatives from both the general resident population of the Fiddlesticks 1862 03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:15,239 Catchman Area, the Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association 1863 03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:22,720 Executive Director, and the Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association Board to 1864 03:32:20,160 --> 03:32:28,160 participate actively in this review process. And that staff submit a final 1865 03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:34,000 report to council outlining the community feedback, facility options, 1866 03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:40,000 other recreational opportunities, and estimated financial impacts. no later 1867 03:32:36,880 --> 03:32:45,920 than the summer of 2028 to inform deliberations for the 2029 capital 1868 03:32:43,279 --> 03:32:50,560 budget. That was a typo at the very end and I would like to speak to it and I 1869 03:32:48,800 --> 03:32:55,120 did make a promise to bring something forward and that's that's the reason why 1870 03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:59,040 I'm doing it to keep my promise. >> Councelor Hamilton. 1871 03:32:57,520 --> 03:33:06,160 » Uh thank you mayor get through you. I just have a question if that's okay. Um 1872 03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:09,760 okay, excellent. Um, I don't know if now is the time, but I noticed the board and 1873 03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:13,120 the executive director of Fiddlesticks is here. Would they be able to come up 1874 03:33:11,359 --> 03:33:17,680 and comment on this motion? I know they have a dele they submitted 1875 03:33:15,120 --> 03:33:20,399 correspondence. Um, I'm just curious to hear their thoughts on it because their 1876 03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:23,840 correspondence doesn't seem to match with council meta's account and 1877 03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:28,800 obviously if we're dealing with issues pertaining to Fiddlesticks, it'd be good 1878 03:33:26,399 --> 03:33:31,920 to hear from Fiddlesticks. Um, >> I asked them at the beginning of the 1879 03:33:30,160 --> 03:33:34,960 evening if they wanted to and they said no. 1880 03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:40,800 » So, okay. Yeah, I think they thought that their letter was sufficient. Did 1881 03:33:37,600 --> 03:33:44,600 you want to speak? >> Okay. Okay. 1882 03:33:48,960 --> 03:33:55,680 » So, I stood before council in 2002 and >> please identify yourself. 1883 03:33:53,200 --> 03:34:00,319 » Oh, I'm sorry. Uh Kim Fowler. I am the executive director of the Fiddlesticks 1884 03:33:57,200 --> 03:34:06,479 Community Center. Uh so back in 2002 I stood before council and uh was granted 1885 03:34:04,000 --> 03:34:11,359 or this community center was granted the uh a trust fund and that trust the 1886 03:34:09,279 --> 03:34:15,840 purpose of that trust fund partially was to save for this addition to the 1887 03:34:13,279 --> 03:34:20,800 community center. So there is nobody in this room that wants to see an addition 1888 03:34:18,000 --> 03:34:26,880 to this building more than myself and the board chair and other board members. 1889 03:34:23,359 --> 03:34:31,600 However, this is not the time. There is a lot going on in the community that is 1890 03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:37,200 not generally public knowledge around neighborhoods and there is concern that 1891 03:34:35,359 --> 03:34:42,239 this money will not be used. The money that has been saved to the tune of $1.3 1892 03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:47,359 million by the neighborhood would not potentially be used in the way it is 1893 03:34:44,800 --> 03:34:52,239 intended. And until there are some things that are sorted among the 1894 03:34:48,960 --> 03:34:56,399 neighborhood associations as well as the fact that we are working with city staff 1895 03:34:54,239 --> 03:35:00,080 currently to look at space for all neighborhoods. 1896 03:34:58,080 --> 03:35:06,000 This is just not the appropriate time in our view. This is something that I have 1897 03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:09,200 expressed and that was not taken into consideration and this is something that 1898 03:35:07,439 --> 03:35:13,520 my board had a healthy conversation about as well. 1899 03:35:11,520 --> 03:35:16,880 » So Kim, I recognize you weren't prepared to speak tonight. No, 1900 03:35:15,040 --> 03:35:20,479 » you did say you hadn't didn't want to get up and speak when I first came in 1901 03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:22,880 the room. So, but I have some questions. Are you willing to take the question? 1902 03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:26,880 » Absolutely. >> Okay. Councelor Kimson, is this directed 1903 03:35:24,800 --> 03:35:31,120 to Kim? >> No. Okay. Councelor Schwar, is this 1904 03:35:28,720 --> 03:35:33,920 directed to Kim? No. You're off the hot seat. Thank Thank you for this. Thank 1905 03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:39,439 you. >> Okay. Um, Councelor Kimson, do you want 1906 03:35:36,319 --> 03:35:42,640 to put your question on the floor? >> Yes. Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. I 1907 03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:50,160 guess this is a question perhaps for staff. Um, and as I'm as I'm reading 1908 03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:52,880 this revised motion and looking at it, um, understanding the work that's 1909 03:35:51,680 --> 03:35:57,680 currently being done with the neighborhood associations in general, 1910 03:35:54,720 --> 03:36:02,640 and of course, W three, the Preston area does not have a neighborhood 1911 03:35:59,359 --> 03:36:06,560 association. Um, for for many years, it's something we've discussed. We 1912 03:36:04,080 --> 03:36:10,560 either have Preston Heights um neighborhood association ward 1 or 1913 03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:16,479 there's Langs which I guess I should say is in Ward 3 but central Preston does 1914 03:36:13,279 --> 03:36:22,239 not have a neighborhood association. So I guess when I look at this and with 1915 03:36:19,359 --> 03:36:27,600 this request looking at future planning for Fiddlesticks I'm wondering is this 1916 03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:30,800 something that I should be doing for Central Preston or is that going to be 1917 03:36:29,439 --> 03:36:33,800 covered in the work that's already ongoing? 1918 03:36:38,624 --> 03:36:44,080 » [snorts] >> Um, thanks for the question. And there 1919 03:36:40,960 --> 03:36:47,840 is a feasibility study planned for 2027 that includes all of the neighborhood 1920 03:36:45,920 --> 03:36:53,200 associations. So, we've had a lot of requests from multiple associations 1921 03:36:50,319 --> 03:36:57,600 around the need for space. And so, we've drafted a statement of work with with 1922 03:36:55,279 --> 03:37:01,439 the neighborhood groups to kind of work on a project. And so, that's supposed to 1923 03:36:59,359 --> 03:37:04,560 happen in 2027. and it's all-encompassing of all neighborhood 1924 03:37:02,960 --> 03:37:10,000 groups. >> May I follow up? Um, so in that 1925 03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:14,080 situation, is that going to include some sort of consultation with the 1926 03:37:12,319 --> 03:37:17,680 non-organized group representing Central Preston that 1927 03:37:16,319 --> 03:37:21,760 doesn't actually have a neighborhood association? Is there going to be a way 1928 03:37:19,279 --> 03:37:25,840 for community consultation as part of that? 1929 03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:28,640 So the feasibility study is specifically around the current requests 1930 03:37:27,095 --> 03:37:34,399 [clears throat] coming in and creating a process that the city can uh apply to 1931 03:37:32,239 --> 03:37:38,239 anyone coming in. There's a there's other work I think that we need to do 1932 03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:43,040 around neighborhood groups and emerging groups and uh groups that are changing 1933 03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:49,319 categories. So that's not a part of this scope, but that is in our future. 1934 03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:49,319 Thank you, 1935 03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:58,399 » Councelor Armeda. Um, if you want to make a comment, um, and then I'll follow 1936 03:37:57,200 --> 03:38:03,279 up from there. >> Thank you, Mayor J. I certainly would. I 1937 03:38:00,479 --> 03:38:08,399 would like to make some remarks. So, I I rise today to table this motion to 1938 03:38:05,680 --> 03:38:13,279 address a critical gap in our city's recreational infrastructure. Every 1939 03:38:11,279 --> 03:38:17,200 member on this council knows a city is not just a collection of roads and 1940 03:38:15,279 --> 03:38:22,239 pipes. It is a tapestry of neighborhoods. And right now the fabric 1941 03:38:19,680 --> 03:38:27,760 of the Fiddlesticks catchment area is stretching to its absolute limit. 1942 03:38:24,720 --> 03:38:33,520 Fiddlesticks is a rightfully proud thriving community of over 17,500 1943 03:38:31,279 --> 03:38:37,680 residents. But the demographics have fundamentally shifted since its 1944 03:38:35,680 --> 03:38:43,439 community infrastructure was first drawn up. Over 60% of Fiddlesticks households 1945 03:38:41,120 --> 03:38:47,840 are families with children living at home. And that is a massively higher 1946 03:38:45,680 --> 03:38:51,279 than the citywide average of roughly 47%. 1947 03:38:49,359 --> 03:38:57,920 At the exact same time, we are experiencing a massive demographic 1948 03:38:53,840 --> 03:39:02,399 crest. Our city's over 50 population is projected to double in the coming 1949 03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:07,520 decades. Fiddlesticks is facing a unique generational squeeze. We have strollers 1950 03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:12,800 and aging seniors competing for the exact same community square footage. And 1951 03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:19,120 the current infrastructure simply cannot hold them both anymore. And with over um 1952 03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:24,160 60% of Fiddlesticks homes raising kids, public spaces are not sorry, they're not 1953 03:39:21,920 --> 03:39:29,359 a luxury. They are an essential extension of the family living room. We 1954 03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:34,080 need this expansion or uh or either that or having more recreational facilities 1955 03:39:31,600 --> 03:39:38,640 in our parks in that area. And I'm quite flexible either way on that. As a 1956 03:39:36,479 --> 03:39:43,600 critical reminder, this request is for the entire Fiddlesticks Catchman area. 1957 03:39:41,359 --> 03:39:49,200 We are not just I I'm not just talking about the brick andmortar facility at 71 1958 03:39:47,040 --> 03:39:53,920 Catwin Boulevard, even though it is very important to me. But this review must 1959 03:39:51,359 --> 03:39:58,880 capture our shared community parks right across the neighborhood stretching from 1960 03:39:56,000 --> 03:40:03,920 Duncan Ferguson Park to Lions Canamera Park over to a Wayne Taylor Park and 1961 03:40:01,680 --> 03:40:07,760 even all the way up to Whitmer Park. And let me be absolutely clear about what 1962 03:40:06,000 --> 03:40:13,279 this motion does and what it does not do. I'm not standing here today asking 1963 03:40:10,239 --> 03:40:17,760 for a bling check. And I I'm not standing asking for a capital funding 1964 03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:21,200 either, even though I did kind of want to get the ball rolling on that and I 1965 03:40:19,520 --> 03:40:25,920 left it open to future budget deliberations. But anyways, I've heard 1966 03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:31,920 the neighborhood. I've heard the board and I feel that this at least keeps the 1967 03:40:28,720 --> 03:40:35,439 ball rolling and I applaud staff for the the work that they are doing and the 1968 03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:38,800 studies across all of the neighborhood associations. 1969 03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:43,840 But I represent this area. I'm held accountable by the residents. I did make 1970 03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:49,680 a promise to bring something forward. I did and I'm keeping that promise by 1971 03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:53,760 doing this and that is why I wanted to bring something forward to keep my 1972 03:40:51,200 --> 03:40:57,200 promise because I did make a promise to the residents I would bring something 1973 03:40:55,600 --> 03:41:02,319 forward. In the magic of this process lies in its 1974 03:40:59,680 --> 03:41:05,840 collaboration and passing the motion. We are directing staff to bring the 1975 03:41:03,680 --> 03:41:10,160 community to the table by actively consulting with the general resident 1976 03:41:07,680 --> 03:41:15,120 population alongside the Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association executive 1977 03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:20,479 director and board. And we achieve three critical things. We tap into the decades 1978 03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:24,479 of grassroots operational expertise from the people who run the programs daily. 1979 03:41:22,640 --> 03:41:30,399 We build an unshakable community consensus on exactly what facilities and 1980 03:41:27,439 --> 03:41:35,439 park spaces are actually needed. And we destress the project by identifying 1981 03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:39,840 operational design or any fiscal hurdles before they ever cost the taxpayer a 1982 03:41:38,080 --> 03:41:44,479 dime. And you know to a collective relief of 1983 03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:49,200 staff. I'm not asking for a report tomorrow. And I am flexible on the 1984 03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:52,880 timeline. And if we want to roll this into the review that's already, you 1985 03:41:51,439 --> 03:41:57,520 know, underway with all of the neighborhood associations, I'm perfectly 1986 03:41:55,040 --> 03:42:02,479 fine with that. But I want to advocate strongly for this area of the city and I 1987 03:42:00,479 --> 03:42:07,439 want to make sure Fiddlesticks continues to be at the forefront. It is my job to 1988 03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:12,479 advocate for them and for the neighborhood as a whole. So that's why 1989 03:42:09,920 --> 03:42:16,239 I'm bringing this forward and I do have flexibility on how to proceed. I just 1990 03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:22,239 don't want it to get lost in the shuffle. I want to be strong and 1991 03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:27,840 advocate for the area. So thank you. >> Councelor Schwer, you have a comment? 1992 03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:33,600 » Yes. Uh, thank you, Mayor Leot. I just want to echo uh Councelor Kimson's 1993 03:42:30,880 --> 03:42:37,120 comments. Um, because if this is something that would involve all the 1994 03:42:35,120 --> 03:42:43,279 neighborhood associations, uh, review, I would support. Um, but we 1995 03:42:40,479 --> 03:42:48,800 are slowly lacking also in the Preston area for a neighborhood association. So, 1996 03:42:46,239 --> 03:42:54,960 I'd rather um, this be part of a big review rather than specific. 1997 03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:58,399 » Councelor Hamilton. Thank you, Mayor Le and through you. Um, 1998 03:42:56,800 --> 03:43:02,160 and although I appreciate councilor Meadow's fortitude in sticking to his 1999 03:43:00,080 --> 03:43:05,279 promise and uh the spirit of the motion is certainly a good one that's steeped 2000 03:43:03,520 --> 03:43:07,920 in bringing the community together, ultimately the motion pertains heavily 2001 03:43:06,640 --> 03:43:11,600 to Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association. And we've just heard from 2002 03:43:09,920 --> 03:43:14,720 the executive director and the board of Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association 2003 03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:18,160 that's waited three hours to essentially say that they oppose the motion. Um, and 2004 03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:22,479 when it comes to Fiddlesticks neighborhood, I trust uh I trust Kim and 2005 03:43:21,040 --> 03:43:26,479 I trust the board and I think they've done an amazing job uh in bringing that 2006 03:43:24,239 --> 03:43:28,880 neighborhood to life over decades. So, uh I hear where you're coming from, 2007 03:43:27,520 --> 03:43:32,960 councelor Meta, but I'm afraid I can't support the motion unless u fiddle 2008 03:43:31,359 --> 03:43:40,560 fiddlesticks neighborhood association is behind it. Thanks. 2009 03:43:36,560 --> 03:43:46,160 Um, so my comments, um, even if the board was for it, I wouldn't be able to 2010 03:43:43,199 --> 03:43:49,520 support this because this is a big city with a lot of, uh, neighborhood 2011 03:43:47,840 --> 03:43:55,040 associations, some of them that are very, very lacking. I think of Greenway 2012 03:43:52,880 --> 03:43:59,680 Chaplain, for instance, they have no space. They have no room to do anything 2013 03:43:57,199 --> 03:44:03,760 with. They don't even have green space. Um, 2014 03:44:01,439 --> 03:44:08,399 I think that we need to listen to the board here. it's not the right time for 2015 03:44:06,160 --> 03:44:13,439 them. There is a fe there is consultation coming. There is 2016 03:44:10,080 --> 03:44:18,479 feasibility coming. Um and I I've got to say you are an amazing representative 2017 03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:23,760 for your residents, councelor Meta. You always have been. And to try to keep to 2018 03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:29,199 a promise that's commendable, very very commendable. Um 2019 03:44:26,880 --> 03:44:34,800 I I think you're a great representative. Uh I just want to put that out there. U 2020 03:44:31,600 --> 03:44:40,399 but I cannot support this motion. Sorry, councelor Divine. 2021 03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:45,120 » Yes, thank you to the chair. Um, sometimes the road to hell is paved with 2022 03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:54,239 good intentions. I think um I understand what you're 2023 03:44:47,760 --> 03:45:01,359 doing, but we have multiple multiple um groups in the city that um multiple 2024 03:44:59,120 --> 03:45:06,960 neighborhood associations. Some have homes, some don't. Um, and I think we 2025 03:45:04,800 --> 03:45:10,720 have to be very careful what we do because the model that's used in this 2026 03:45:08,720 --> 03:45:16,560 city for neighborhood associations is a great model. It's an absolute great 2027 03:45:12,960 --> 03:45:22,239 model. However, however, you know, some we have the halves and 2028 03:45:18,160 --> 03:45:28,525 halves not. So, we have to in the end make sure we we everybody's equal, 2029 03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:34,720 right? Hal has like for example the [snorts] um HSPA operated at the arena 2030 03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:39,680 they technically don't have a home right and I I appreciate you bringing this 2031 03:45:37,439 --> 03:45:42,880 forward but I I certainly can't support it because everybody's got to be treated 2032 03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:47,600 equal with the neighborhood associations. Thank you. [snorts] 2033 03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:51,040 » Okay, we're going to put the motion the motion's on the floor. We're going to 2034 03:45:48,640 --> 03:45:54,439 call for that vote. Opening voting, 2035 03:45:56,800 --> 03:46:04,600 closing voting. Uh, that's defeated by vote of 1 to 2036 03:46:01,600 --> 03:46:04,600 eight. 2037 03:46:05,359 --> 03:46:11,120 Now, I'd like to present a motion regarding a provincial data center 2038 03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:15,920 framework and community benefits, which has been revised to correct an error in 2039 03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:21,279 publishing today on the revised agenda. and I'll ask the deputy clerk Chris 2040 03:46:18,319 --> 03:46:25,680 Fereso to provide some background on the publishing of this motion. 2041 03:46:24,160 --> 03:46:29,439 » Thank you, Madam Chair, and through you. Um, so I just wanted to provide some 2042 03:46:27,359 --> 03:46:32,960 background. This evening's addendum includes a motion from uh Mayor Liot 2043 03:46:31,520 --> 03:46:38,479 related to data centers. Uh, the one that was published yesterday that um is 2044 03:46:35,120 --> 03:46:43,199 pages 20 to 24. Um, Mayor Liot's motion specifically was 2045 03:46:40,479 --> 03:46:46,720 pages 21 to 22. Um, this motion was included on the public agenda. Uh 2046 03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:50,399 however, along with the motion, staff inadvertently published draft wording 2047 03:46:48,399 --> 03:46:53,840 that had been prepared by staff while reviewing different options that may 2048 03:46:51,760 --> 03:46:58,160 arise from this conversation. Um and that could be found on uh the latter two 2049 03:46:56,000 --> 03:47:01,439 pages of that motion for the addendum that was published yesterday. I just 2050 03:46:59,840 --> 03:47:04,960 wanted to be clear that the additional draft wording was not part of the 2051 03:47:03,279 --> 03:47:09,520 mayor's motion and was included in error. Uh it was prepared as a draft 2052 03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:13,199 working document only. uh based on a lot of the discussions and things that we 2053 03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:17,199 were seeing around the province and based on some of AMO's guidance and it 2054 03:47:15,439 --> 03:47:22,080 was not intended for publication or consideration of council. So the motion 2055 03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:26,239 itself uh was corrected on the revised agenda that was published today and it 2056 03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:32,760 speaks to the data centers only. The strike out portion is not uh what was to 2057 03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:32,760 be included. Thank you. 2058 03:47:34,560 --> 03:47:42,560 » Yeah, I have a seconder. Yes, that's councelor Ernshaw. But we need to have 2059 03:47:39,359 --> 03:47:47,279 uh suspend the rules um which requires a two-th3 majority 2060 03:47:44,640 --> 03:47:51,920 which we need six members of council to bring this forward tonight. So we're 2061 03:47:49,680 --> 03:48:00,760 going to put the motion on the floor for sorry seconder to suspend the rules. 2062 03:47:55,120 --> 03:48:00,760 Council you the sorry coun. Yes. 2063 03:48:02,880 --> 03:48:08,080 » Now voting. >> Now we're voting on it. Yeah. 2064 03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:11,239 Opening voting on the motion to suspend the rules. 2065 03:48:14,960 --> 03:48:23,600 » Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 2066 03:48:20,319 --> 03:48:30,199 » Okay. Thank you. So [snorts] the motion, 2067 03:48:26,160 --> 03:48:30,199 let me just turn to that page. 2068 03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:36,800 Whereas the province of Ontario has released a proposed data center playbook 2069 03:48:34,560 --> 03:48:40,880 and is undertaking work to establish a framework for the review and approval of 2070 03:48:38,479 --> 03:48:44,560 data center developments. And whereas the government of Canada has launched 2071 03:48:42,880 --> 03:48:49,600 Canada's national artificial intelligence strategy AI for all to 2072 03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:54,239 ensure sovereignty and control over our data enabled data for innovation and 2073 03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:58,720 economic growth and protect Canadians from the risks and harms of AI. And 2074 03:48:57,199 --> 03:49:02,960 whereas the municipalities are increasingly receiving inquiries and 2075 03:49:01,040 --> 03:49:06,479 proposals related to data center development and require greater 2076 03:49:04,880 --> 03:49:10,720 certainty regarding provincial direction, infrastructure planning, 2077 03:49:08,960 --> 03:49:15,680 community benefits, and land use considerations. And whereas council 2078 03:49:13,120 --> 03:49:19,439 recognizes the economic opportunities associated with digital infrastructure 2079 03:49:17,680 --> 03:49:23,760 while recognizing the need for a comprehensive municipal framework before 2080 03:49:22,080 --> 03:49:27,600 permitting additional large-scale facilities. Therefore, be it resolved 2081 03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:31,279 that the city of Cambridge request that the province of Ontario expedite the 2082 03:49:29,600 --> 03:49:35,520 completion and implementation of its data center playbook and associated 2083 03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:40,239 approval framework in order to provide clarity and certainty to municipalities, 2084 03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:44,720 utilities, and the development community and that the province be requested to 2085 03:49:42,720 --> 03:49:48,720 work in partnership with municipalities, local distribution companies, including 2086 03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:52,800 Granbridge Energy and industry stakeholders to establish a public good 2087 03:49:51,040 --> 03:49:56,720 framework for data centers, including options for community benefit agree. 2088 03:49:54,560 --> 03:50:01,520 agreements, local infrastructure investments, affordability initiatives, 2089 03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:05,439 energy partnerships, and other measures that provide direct and lasting 2090 03:50:03,279 --> 03:50:09,359 community be benefits to host communities. and that as part of the 2091 03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:14,080 upcoming review of the city of Cambridge official plan, council directs staff to 2092 03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:19,520 evaluate and identify appropriate locations and policy considerations for 2093 03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:23,439 potentially but not necessarily future data center development to ensure land 2094 03:50:21,439 --> 03:50:27,680 use compatibility, infrastructure readiness and alignment with community 2095 03:50:25,279 --> 03:50:33,120 objectives. And that the review include official plan policies and designations 2096 03:50:29,920 --> 03:50:38,000 hypers scale or otherwise zoning bylaw permissions, site plan standards, 2097 03:50:36,080 --> 03:50:42,479 infrastructure, servicing, environmental, economic employment, 2098 03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:46,960 taxation, public health, climate and national security considerations. that a 2099 03:50:44,880 --> 03:50:51,439 copy of this resolution be forwarded to the Premier Doug Ford, Minister of 2100 03:50:49,040 --> 03:50:56,479 Municipal Affairs and Housing Robert Flack, Minister of Energy and Mines 2101 03:50:54,319 --> 03:51:00,479 Steven Leche, Minister of Public and Business Service Delivery and 2102 03:50:57,920 --> 03:51:05,279 Procurement Steven Crawford, Minister of Housing and Infrastructure of Canada, 2103 03:51:02,560 --> 03:51:10,560 Gregor Robertson, Minister of Artificial Intelligence and Digital Innovation, 2104 03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:15,840 Evan Solomon, Ontario's Big City Mayors, OBCM, the Association of Municipalities 2105 03:51:13,120 --> 03:51:20,479 of Ontario, AM O and the Federation of Canadian Municipalities FCM and all 2106 03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:27,040 Ontario municipalities. >> A second council. 2107 03:51:24,479 --> 03:51:31,000 » Yes. >> Uh are there any questions 2108 03:51:31,680 --> 03:51:41,359 councelor Shwary? >> Thank you. Are we able to add to that 2109 03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:45,600 like request to the province to delegate more stuff or 2110 03:51:43,920 --> 03:51:48,479 Sorry. You want to add to this? Amend the motion? 2111 03:51:46,319 --> 03:51:53,520 » No. Like I want to be able to talk about this not 2112 03:51:50,560 --> 03:52:00,800 to change your motion, but like to consider other things that perhaps the 2113 03:51:56,319 --> 03:52:04,720 the province can look at. Um >> so can you give me an idea because it 2114 03:52:02,880 --> 03:52:06,479 might be already included in the wording because the wording is pretty broad, 2115 03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:14,960 right? >> Okay. Okay. Like for example, um if a if 2116 03:52:10,800 --> 03:52:22,000 a data center like the one on on 17 Bondro for example, they were given $450 2117 03:52:18,080 --> 03:52:27,359 million to expand the data center and to boost it up to 60 megawatts. Would there 2118 03:52:24,479 --> 03:52:32,880 be something in in that motion that before a data center does that, they 2119 03:52:29,760 --> 03:52:38,160 have to come back um to a staff to bring it back to council uh and also to let us 2120 03:52:35,600 --> 03:52:45,279 know what extra for example water load or or hydro um things like that and also 2121 03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:49,520 other things of concern that a lot of people are having. Um I don't know if 2122 03:52:47,120 --> 03:52:53,840 it's a city thing we have to do or or it's a province. A lot of people are 2123 03:52:51,760 --> 03:52:58,160 complaining about the noise the data center emits and it's harmful to some 2124 03:52:56,399 --> 03:53:02,399 people's health. I was just wondering if that would include something like that 2125 03:53:00,080 --> 03:53:06,880 or is that something we do at a city level? 2126 03:53:04,080 --> 03:53:11,199 » Well, as far as far as the energy grid that's out of our hands anyway, that's 2127 03:53:08,960 --> 03:53:16,560 part of Grand Bridge. That's why we've asked for the consultation with those 2128 03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:23,040 entities. Um, and as far as the water, that would be the region that would be 2129 03:53:18,640 --> 03:53:27,279 able to handle that. Um, and the noise, I think that's what we're 2130 03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:32,560 looking at here when we send it back to staff. Correct. Am I a little bit 2131 03:53:30,880 --> 03:53:39,120 » through you, mayor? So, part of the motion reads to uh provide some feedback 2132 03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:44,479 to uh the pro to the province of Ontario related to their playbook. So what you 2133 03:53:41,600 --> 03:53:47,680 had just mentioned councelor Shweri would be some of that feedback that we 2134 03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:54,080 could provide. >> Okay. So that's what I wanted to do. 2135 03:53:50,880 --> 03:53:58,319 » Yes. So the point of my motion was you know every so so many municipalities in 2136 03:53:56,720 --> 03:54:03,040 North America and around the world are getting caught because we don't have any 2137 03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:08,160 guidelines in place. There's nothing out there to protect the residents. And one 2138 03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:11,840 of my big concerns when we hear that there's jobs provided, those are 2139 03:54:09,760 --> 03:54:16,160 temporary jobs. The the construction jobs come and go, right? They're they 2140 03:54:13,840 --> 03:54:22,000 they move on from one community to the next. They're not permanent jobs. Um and 2141 03:54:19,600 --> 03:54:27,840 uh you know, the jobs that are provided within the these buildings, there's few 2142 03:54:24,800 --> 03:54:31,840 of them, but there is a spin-off effect that happens. And that's the same with 2143 03:54:29,520 --> 03:54:38,319 any industry. All industries have spin-off supply companies that come into 2144 03:54:34,560 --> 03:54:43,439 being, but because we don't have there won't be a lot of people um working 2145 03:54:41,120 --> 03:54:47,920 here, we lose the impact of having people buy houses and pay municipal 2146 03:54:45,439 --> 03:54:52,239 taxes that provide for the benefits. So that's why I put in here about community 2147 03:54:50,080 --> 03:54:56,160 benefits that will provide for parks, would provide for social issues that we 2148 03:54:54,720 --> 03:55:02,000 may not know that we're going to encounter. So that's that's why I put 2149 03:54:58,800 --> 03:55:06,560 that in here. So, it's an it's a not a tax. I I'm not sure what we would call 2150 03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:10,720 it, but I want staff to look at it and I want it taken to the province so that 2151 03:55:08,239 --> 03:55:16,239 they can look at their playbook, what sort of tools that we can have in order 2152 03:55:13,439 --> 03:55:20,880 to collect money, not not development charges, but charges that could have a 2153 03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:27,199 different name that we can utilize for things like that. So this has been um 2154 03:55:24,800 --> 03:55:32,080 you know I worked with the city manager on this and OBCM had also put forward a 2155 03:55:30,399 --> 03:55:37,520 motion as well which was passed unanimously. There's a big concern with 2156 03:55:34,560 --> 03:55:42,800 all the cities all the cities on what's coming forward. But I don't we don't 2157 03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:46,399 want to restrict businesses that come from these data centers. They they're 2158 03:55:44,720 --> 03:55:51,120 good. We need them. We can't be left behind in technology. We have to have 2159 03:55:49,199 --> 03:55:55,279 these or we'll be on the losing end of them. They're very, very important to 2160 03:55:52,720 --> 03:55:57,920 have. We need growth in this, but they need to be regulated. And that's what 2161 03:55:56,720 --> 03:56:01,520 the federal government's doing. That's what the province is doing. And that's 2162 03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:05,920 why we're in this motion, we're asking staff to bring forward the the um 2163 03:56:04,319 --> 03:56:10,319 official plan amendments, zoning amendments, that sort of thing, or 2164 03:56:07,680 --> 03:56:13,760 zoning, sorry, new ones, not amendments. Councelor Kimson. 2165 03:56:11,600 --> 03:56:19,199 » Um, thank you very much, Mayor Jan, through you. Um, I'm wondering if there 2166 03:56:17,120 --> 03:56:25,040 might be an opportunity, not necessarily as part of this motion, but an 2167 03:56:21,520 --> 03:56:30,800 opportunity for staff to put together a workshop for the next term of council on 2168 03:56:27,120 --> 03:56:34,479 data centers. Um, because if we think back to the beginning of the term, um, 2169 03:56:32,960 --> 03:56:39,040 you had your trip to Europe and then we had the data center come um, and get set 2170 03:56:37,359 --> 03:56:44,160 up and and no one really thought much of it. And now we're hearing so much more 2171 03:56:42,080 --> 03:56:47,359 and and we don't know and we're hearing a lot of hearsay and fodder. So I think 2172 03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:50,880 it's something that would be really helpful to whoever it is around the 2173 03:56:49,520 --> 03:56:55,199 table as well as members of the community to learn more about data 2174 03:56:53,600 --> 03:56:59,920 centers, different types of them, how they work um just for we we know we're 2175 03:56:58,800 --> 03:57:03,279 going to be dealing with them in the future and that would be certainly 2176 03:57:01,359 --> 03:57:07,920 helpful information. >> That's actually something that is on the 2177 03:57:05,279 --> 03:57:11,760 horizon. U the city manager had plans for that already. So certainly your 2178 03:57:10,000 --> 03:57:13,760 point is well taken and that will be something that comes forward. 2179 03:57:13,279 --> 03:57:17,199 » Thank you. >> Oh he wants to speak to it. 2180 03:57:15,520 --> 03:57:21,600 » Thank you and through through you mayor. Uh we have also recently updated our 2181 03:57:19,199 --> 03:57:25,040 website to include a page specifically regarding data centers to make sure that 2182 03:57:23,359 --> 03:57:29,120 the correct information was all out there and as new information starts to 2183 03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:34,840 come in we'll make sure that also gets gets uh collected and posted on our 2184 03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:34,840 website. 2185 03:57:36,080 --> 03:57:43,359 I also didn't want the public to sit out there and think that we're not doing 2186 03:57:41,199 --> 03:57:47,199 anything about this because we're all getting emails about this. Every elected 2187 03:57:45,680 --> 03:57:53,120 official in this province is getting emails about this and we all have 2188 03:57:49,840 --> 03:57:57,120 concerns. We are listening to the public um about their concerns, but there is 2189 03:57:55,040 --> 03:58:05,040 some wrong information out there. So, this will clarify that um coming forward 2190 03:58:00,479 --> 03:58:09,720 to the new council. Um, so yeah, enough said. We'll put the motion on the 2191 03:58:06,720 --> 03:58:09,720 floor. 2192 03:58:09,840 --> 03:58:13,239 » Opening voting. 2193 03:58:15,920 --> 03:58:19,319 Closing voting. 2194 03:58:20,960 --> 03:58:30,720 That carries by vote of 90. >> So there are no notices of motion. Uh, 2195 03:58:28,720 --> 03:58:35,120 our next order of business is motion to receive. Councelor Roberts, you have 2196 03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:38,239 that motion. >> I'm going to put you before 2197 03:58:36,319 --> 03:58:41,359 consideration calls. >> I do. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved 2198 03:58:40,000 --> 03:58:45,120 by myself, seconded by councelor Ernshaw. Recommendation that all 2199 03:58:43,359 --> 03:58:49,439 presentations and correspondence from the August 25th, 2026 council meeting be 2200 03:58:47,760 --> 03:58:55,279 received. >> Okay, we'll take that vote. 2201 03:58:52,479 --> 03:58:58,279 » Opening voting. Closing 2202 03:58:58,399 --> 03:59:04,520 voting that carries unanimously. 2203 03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:14,800 » Okay. So, um, our city manager, Rob Axia, asked to make some closing remarks 2204 03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:18,080 here. So, um, Mr. Axia, if you want to make those. 2205 03:59:16,399 --> 03:59:22,479 » Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to point out or highlight, uh, just a couple 2206 03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:25,840 items. Uh first off, uh Cambridge uh senior staff and participating elected 2207 03:59:24,399 --> 03:59:30,080 officials had a successful and productive week of advocacy at this 2208 03:59:28,160 --> 03:59:34,720 year's Association of Municipalities of Ontario conference with delegations that 2209 03:59:32,640 --> 03:59:39,520 focused on key priorities including health and community care supports, 2210 03:59:37,040 --> 03:59:43,760 critical infrastructure, and modernizing municipal government. Uh the city was 2211 03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:48,239 able to highlight local expertise, strengthen provincial uh and municipal 2212 03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:52,720 partnerships and position Cambridge as a solution focused municipal leader. A 2213 03:59:50,880 --> 03:59:56,640 sincere thank you is extended to council, the corporate leadership team 2214 03:59:54,720 --> 04:00:01,359 and staff across the organization whose briefing materials, technical expertise, 2215 03:59:59,359 --> 04:00:05,279 and day-to-day work help to support these important conversations and 2216 04:00:03,680 --> 04:00:09,520 advance Cambridge's priorities proincially. I would also like to 2217 04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:13,680 highlight a recent appointment. Effective September 8th, Keith Clark 2218 04:00:11,680 --> 04:00:19,199 will be appointed as a successful applicant into the role of deputy fire 2219 04:00:16,319 --> 04:00:22,720 chief. Keith has dedicated more than 22 years of service to the Cambridge Fire 2220 04:00:20,880 --> 04:00:26,640 Department, demonstrating strong leadership, a commitment to operational 2221 04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:30,880 excellence, and a passion for firefighter development and public 2222 04:00:28,319 --> 04:00:37,840 safety. We welcome Deputy Chief Clark into his new leadership role. Thank you. 2223 04:00:36,000 --> 04:00:41,359 Okay, the next order of business is the consideration of bylaws. And before you 2224 04:00:39,760 --> 04:00:45,080 ask that question, councelor Ernshaw, they're all good to go. 2225 04:00:47,439 --> 04:00:53,359 » Thank you, Mayor Liot. It's moved by me and seconded by Councelor Hamilton that 2226 04:00:51,840 --> 04:01:00,239 bylaws as listed [clears throat] on the agenda dated August 25, 2026 be adopted 2227 04:00:56,720 --> 04:01:04,880 as follows. 18.1 Bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge 2228 04:01:02,080 --> 04:01:08,720 official plan 2012 18.2 2229 04:01:06,960 --> 04:01:12,680 bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge zoning bylaw 26-00007 2230 04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:20,640 18.3 bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge 2231 04:01:16,560 --> 04:01:30,239 zoning bylaw 150-85 18.4 4 bylaw to designate the property 2232 04:01:24,319 --> 04:01:35,439 known as 3,250 Beaverdale Road. 18.5 bylaw to designate the property known as 2233 04:01:32,720 --> 04:01:39,840 197 West River Road. 18.6 2234 04:01:37,439 --> 04:01:46,800 bylaw to designate the property known as 61 Cambridge Street. 18.7 2235 04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:55,040 bylaw to exempt part lot control part of block 1158M 2236 04:01:49,600 --> 04:02:00,160 hy-en 720 hyphen Sage Drive 18.8 bylaw to amend the city of Cambridge 2237 04:01:56,800 --> 04:02:04,720 official plan 2012. >> Thank you councelor Ernshaw. We will do 2238 04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:08,120 that vote now. Opening voting. 2239 04:02:11,600 --> 04:02:17,680 Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 2240 04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:23,640 » Next order of business is the confirmatory bylaw. Councelor Kimson, 2241 04:02:20,160 --> 04:02:23,640 you have that one. 2242 04:02:26,160 --> 04:02:32,720 » Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. Moved by myself and seconded by councelora. 2243 04:02:30,399 --> 04:02:36,399 recommendation that the bylaw to confirm the proceedings of the council of the 2244 04:02:34,640 --> 04:02:39,840 corporation of the city of Cambridge be passed. 2245 04:02:38,239 --> 04:02:44,120 » Thank you. And the clerk will take that vote. 2246 04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:44,120 » Opening voting. 2247 04:02:46,160 --> 04:02:52,199 » Closing voting. That carries unanimously. 2248 04:02:53,840 --> 04:03:00,720 » Councelor Cooper, you have the motion of the night. 2249 04:02:58,800 --> 04:03:04,479 » Thank you very much. the adjournment moved by me, seconded by 2250 04:03:02,880 --> 04:03:13,359 council Hamilton, that the council meeting does now adjourn at 10:05 p.m. 2251 04:03:10,560 --> 04:03:16,880 » Thank you everyone for a very energetic debate tonight. There was some good work 2252 04:03:15,279 --> 04:03:21,680 done here tonight. Good discussion around the horseshoe. And we'll see you 2253 04:03:19,040 --> 04:03:24,960 on September 15th for the next Oh, I'm sorry. I did it again, didn't I? I 2254 04:03:23,680 --> 04:03:28,319 haven't done that in a long time. We're going to vote on that. We're not going 2255 04:03:26,319 --> 04:03:31,800 to sleep here tonight. Opening voting, 2256 04:03:32,080 --> 04:03:38,319 closing voting. Um, that carries a vote of 7 to2. Thank 2257 04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:43,600 you. >> Oh, okay. Somebody wants to sleep here 2258 04:03:40,800 --> 04:03:46,680 tonight. Okay. Anyway, we'll see you on the 15th.