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Everyone, my name is Jan Liot, mayor and

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chair of this council meeting. Before

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continuing, we will rise from close

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session. May I have councelor Roberts

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read the motion in its entirety, please?

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» Yes. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved by

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myself, seconded by councelor Ernshaw.

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Recommendation that council rise from

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close session held August 25th to

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reconvene in open session at 6:45 p.m.

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>> Okay, we will call for that vote.

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>> Opening voting.

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» Closing voting

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» that carries unanimously.

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So during close session, discussions

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occurred with council and staff related

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to confidential negotiations,

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development ch uh charges relief program

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application update, and a verbal update

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regarding a planning matter. Please note

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that city of C Cambridge Council

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meetings are broadcast on the city's

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YouTube page and are archived on the

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city's website. It is imperative that we

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as city council promote public

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participation using a variety of

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methods, including YouTube. On that

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note, our last council meeting had 500

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views on YouTube and two delegations. As

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a reminder for speakers tonight, both

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staff and delegates alike, please be

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sure that you stand 6 to 8 in from the

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microphone at the presenter's podium for

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optimal sound quality. There is a remote

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at the podium you may use to advance

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your slides. In the event of an

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emergency, please evacuate council

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chambers using the nearest exit

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staircase. If you require assistance,

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please see the clerk's staff. They will

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provide you with support to exit the

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facility. Once you have evacuated the

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building, please gather outside of city

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hall in the farmers parking market

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parking lot and await further

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instructions. I will now introduce

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council. Councelor Hamilton, councelor, Kimson, councelor Roberts,

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councelor Cooper, councelor Schwerry,

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councelor Ernshaw, and councelor Divine.

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We will now sing the national anthem.

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And if you are able, please rise and

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follow along.

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» [music]

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» Oh Canada, [singing and music]

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our home and native land [music]

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true

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love [singing]

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in [music] all of

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With glowing [singing] hearts [music] we

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see

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the true north strong and [singing] free

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from [music]

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wide open

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wee [music and singing]

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[music]

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[singing]

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glory. [music]

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We are set and free.

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Oh,

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[music] we stand [singing] on guard for

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the

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[singing]

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we stand on

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[music]

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[singing] the

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[clears throat]

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We embrace our shared responsibility

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with the First Nations people to take

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care of this earth and its creatures. We

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can only do so by walking the path as

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partners stewarding this land as we've

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been given the duty together to live in

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balance and harmony with all living

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things. We acknowledge and respect the

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Inishab Chinctton also known as the

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neutrals and the Hodnoni peoples who

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came before us and who we live amongst

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by honoring this truth of past and

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present. May we come to true

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reconciliation through listening,

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reflecting and learning. Before I begin,

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I would like to take a moment to

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acknowledge and thank everyone for

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joining us at this meeting this evening.

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We do appreciate your participation as

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we come together to serve the community.

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I ask that we create a welcoming and

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positive environment for everyone that

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includes respect, kindness, and

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inclusion. Together, we can make this

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meeting space one where those three

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things are at the heart of everything we

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do. That this is a safe space. Behavior

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that is disrespectful, disruptive,

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aggressive, or intimidating will result

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in those individuals being asked to

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leave. Again, as a reminder to council,

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please ensure you are speaking directly

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into the microphone so members of the

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public, both in the audience and at

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home, can hear you. I notice when some

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counselors are speaking, they tend to

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turn their heads away from the mic

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towards the audience or towards this the

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front. When you do that, your voice is

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not audible to everybody in the room.

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This evening we have one external

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presentation for from Richard Kelly

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Roots of GSP Group regarding the

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recommendation to approve an official

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plan amendment and zoning bylaw

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amendment for 8 Scoffield Street. As is

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our usual practice, we will first hear

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presentations from consultants and

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applicants followed by delegations from

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members of the public before proceeding

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to consider staff reports. Welcome, Mr.

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Roots. Are you here? Oh,

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thank you for joining us. Please note

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you will have five minutes to address

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council this evening.

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» Thank you, Madame Mayor. If I could have

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the clerk pull up the presentation

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slide.

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Thank you. Uh good evening, Madame

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Mayor, members of council and and the

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public. My name is Richard Kelly Ritz.

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I'm a planner at GSP Group and I'm here

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representing the applicant for the zone

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change application and official plan

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amendment at 8 Scoffield Street. As a

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highle reminder to council, uh the

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application is for a 72 unit mid-rise

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building with five levels of residential

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and two levels of structured parking.

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As council may recall, this application

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was previously um before you at the June

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council meeting uh recommended by staff

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for approval. Uh council deferred the

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application to allow for additional

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discussions between um ourselves as the

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applicant team and the adjacent property

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owners. Um those conversations have

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since occurred uh in July and I can give

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a high level overview of the outcome of

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those conversations in the following

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slides.

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So the two key abuing property owners is

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O as auto repair garage on Queen Street

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and then the Legion site immediately

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next door. Uh so we met with Heather the

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owner of Auto Repair uh in July here at

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city hall. Uh discussed at a high level

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some of the details of the application

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in terms of when construction might

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start um outlining uh how much parking

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is provided and how this how this has

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been increased from previous proposals.

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um how the storm water runoff design uh

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for the site is meant to contain and

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direct runoff away from her site. And uh

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through our conversations with Heather,

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it became clear that her primary concern

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is really just around construction

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impacts to uh the building itself. Um as

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Auto Repair Garage, as many in the

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community know, has been around a long

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time. The building is, I believe, over

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100 years old. And she was just

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concerned around construction impacts to

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the building itself, the foundation from

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any construction that would happen next

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door. Um so following our meeting here

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at city hall um my client the developer

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for the eight scopfield site uh

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committed to Heather that um he would

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coordinate documenting the existing

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condition of her building before any

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construction would start on uh the eight

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scal site. So this really seemed to

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provide some reassurances to Heather um

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that there'd be a point in time

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reference for the condition of her

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building um ahead of any construction

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starting for eight sc. So, um, following

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those conversations, I'm reassured and I

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understand Heather's concerns have been

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addressed as well. Um, for the zone

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change application,

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we met with the Legion board in July as

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well um, next door uh, at the Legion

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property, discussed again some details

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of the application in terms of when

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construction might start, uh, specific

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construction methods that would be used

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such as the underground parking

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structure being uh, constructed fairly

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close to their property line. Uh my

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understanding of the key legions

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concerns was just that they're um making

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sure for them they want to be involved

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in the process and that in particular

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the zone change decision before council

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this evening is not them um missing the

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boat or missing some key piece of

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information. Um through our

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conversations u clarified that this is

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really just the first step in the

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process. there's still a site plan

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application, building uh permits to

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come. And uh we also made clear that the

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Legion will be a partner, a key

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stakeholder in the project and that

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construction really couldn't proceed

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without their sign off. Um if there's

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any uh temporary construction works that

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would occur on their lands, um they

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would need to sign off on that. um as

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well as if there's any uh trees that are

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being taken off uh removed along the

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shared property line, uh they would need

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um permission from the Legion for that

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as well. Um so they were reassured that

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through those future negotiations,

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discussions with them that any concerns

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that they might have going forward could

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be addressed and that this is still a

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very early part of the process.

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So I'm confident that our discussions

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with the Legion were productive and

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addressed their concerns uh for the

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application before you this evening.

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I'll lastly mention just for council's

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information um that any tenants moving

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into the new rental building at aid

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Scoffield um would have a noise warning

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clause uh provided to them advising them

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of any uh noise impacts that uh from

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abuing property. So the Legion and Auto

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Repair. Uh so this would just make it

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clear to them up front that they would

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be aware of any noise sources whether

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it's from Legion events or the horseshoe

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pits. I'm just making it clear that um

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they would know this ahead of time

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before moving in so that the Legion and

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Os Repair would could continue their

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existing operations and wouldn't have to

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change because of a new building here at

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a schoolfield.

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That concludes my remarks. I continue to

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be in support of the staff

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recommendation of approval for the

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application and I'm available for any

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further questions of council. Thank you.

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Before we proceed with questions, um,

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a reminder to members of council that

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the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act

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requires council members to declare any

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director and direct uninary interest in

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relation to a matter under

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consideration. Are there any

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declarations this evening?

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Seeing none, councelor.

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>> So, councelor Dvine, you have a

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conflict.

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>> I'm a member of the Hesper Legion. I'm

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not on the executive, but I am a member

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of the Hesper Legion. Would that be

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considered a conflict?

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>> No.

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» Um, typically, councelor, Madame Mayor,

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we would advise that you uh reach out to

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the integrity commissioner for specific

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advice.

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>> Do you want me to call him now?

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» It's up to you, counselor.

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» You're not. You're you're allowed to be

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a member of any organization. I would

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think so. Not I'm not on the executive.

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>> No.

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>> Yeah. Probably everybody in this room is

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>> there are exemptions within the

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municipal conflict of interest act as

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well that speak to that.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Councelor Roberts.

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>> Thanks Mayor Jan through you and thank

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you for your presentation and thanks for

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meeting with the the adjacent property

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owners. That was great. I just have a

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question. And I noticed in your drawing

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um for your parking, the the lower

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parking level and the upper parking

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level um for some reason you have the

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barrierfree spots the furthest away from

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the elevator. And I'm just a little

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confused because that means that folks

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who potentially have mobility concerns

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would have to navigate through parking

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where people could be backing out and

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driving around to get to the elevator.

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Was there a specific reason why that was

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done that way? I've never seen that

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before.

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>> Uh through the mayor to you, Councelor

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Roberts. Yes, we've received that

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feedback um already and certainly

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something we'd address at site plan

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approval. The interior layout of the um

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proposed development, it can always be

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refined after the zone change stage. So,

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yeah, absolutely. We've heard that and

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we'll we'll look to move it to the front

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of the building.

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>> Councelor Schwar.

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>> Thank you, Mayor Ligan.

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[cough and clears throat]

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Um just my question which sorry my

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throat um is I my just concern with this

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whole thing is going up the hill and

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where people are exiting um it's just

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like a very dangerous section um

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especially in the winter time. How would

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that be? Like, have you talked to

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anybody? Like, how could you um mediate

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that? Because in the winter, if they're

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coming out, you're, you know, somebody's

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going up the hill and if you know it

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just it's you got freezing rain,

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like what safety measures are in place?

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>> Uh through humanity, counselor Shuri.

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Yes, great question. Um yeah, it is a

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very steep hill on on Scoffield. Um

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there are two parking garage entrances

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and exits for the site. One for the

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lower level and one for the upper level.

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Um and yes, certainly I hear you on

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coming out onto Scoffield Street, how

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that might work in terms of ice impacts,

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things like that. So naturally, the city

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would would maintain the road from ICE

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perspective. But on the private side of

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the development itself, um that's

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something that we could explore further

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through the site plan approval process,

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like the more detailed design for the

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building. Um, I've seen instances where

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you could have signage um, warning

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vehicles exiting the new building um,

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you know, to be aware of oncoming

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traffic. Um, I've seen mirrors used as

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well. Maybe you've seen those in parking

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garages that could be concave to give a

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little bit of a wider view of the street

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for oncoming vehicles. So, um, yeah, no

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commitments at this stage of the process

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at the zone change stage, but absolutely

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I think that is something that should be

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looked at going forward. Um, I imagine

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city transportation staff um would also

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have some comments on just safety of

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entering and exiting the site through

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the the site plan process to come.

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>> All right. Thank you,

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>> Councelor Kempson.

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» Thank you very much, Mayor Jan, and

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through you. Um, thanks for your

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presentation and for meeting with the

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neighboring property owners. Um I'll

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note that in the presentation um there's

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mention about the right of way for

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sidewalks and utilities and it indicates

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that the updated drawing submitted

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include drawings to demonstrate that a

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sidewalk and utilities could be

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accommodating within the existing right

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of way. Have there been any discussions

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as to whether or not a sidewalk is going

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to be put in there? And I expect that um

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if it could be that would help to

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address some of councelor Shwer's

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concerns.

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>> Uh through the mayor, if I could have

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the clerk pull up the slide deck again.

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Um and if you're able to go to slide 30,

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I could navigate there as well.

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I can uh start to answer uh the

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question. Um yes. So um and city staff

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may wish to expand on this further. It's

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my understanding there are no plans in

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the next 10 years at least to build

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sidewalks on Scoffield Street. Um that

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being said, it was a priority of the

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city that we demonstrate that um there

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is room for a sidewalk on the existing

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city land um here um if one is

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constructed in the future. Um, and I can

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navigate to that slide here. It's a

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little further on. Um, but some

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engineering drawings were prepared as

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part of the submission package that

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demonstrated that on city land there

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could be a sidewalk that's shown in blue

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here on the screen and that's fully on

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the the city rightway. So, um, yeah,

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that was demonstrated that it could be

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provided. City staff, engineering, and

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transportation were satisfied with that

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through the resubmission.

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>> Thank you,

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Councelor Hamilton.

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Thank you, Mayor Li and through you and

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thanks very much for your presentation.

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I know when the Legion presented to us,

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excuse me, um they were very uh they

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stressed that horseshoes was a key

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element of the activity of the group. Um

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can you just reaffirm that on page nine

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that the clause the type C clause saying

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sound from these facilities may times be

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audible. Does that allow their horseshoe

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um facility to continue as is or are

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there going to have to be any

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alterations to it?

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>> Uh through the mayor to you, Councelor

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Hamilton. Yeah, the Legion would be able

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to continue their horseshoe pits as is.

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Uh all residents moving into this new

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building would be warned of all noise

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sources from the Legion and uh the auto

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repair site including horseshoe pits,

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events, things like that. So there

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should be no impact whatsoever to their

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ability to continue that going forward.

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Thank you,

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>> Councelor Divine.

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>> Yes, thank you chair. Thank you for your

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presentation and thank you for meeting

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with the uh uh the two property owners

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in either side. I do have a concern. All

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right. As we know, things run downhill.

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Gravity is a wonderful thing. What are

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you going to do

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to

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stop water from running down ontos?

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Because once that right now there's no there's no building there

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obviously. Okay. And the ground will

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absorb a fair bit because it's it's a

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treed property. Okay. What are we going

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to do from from uh water not going down

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,079
to us? Can you explain that to me

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01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,960
please?

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>> Yep. Through the mayor you counselor

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Divine. Um yeah, [clears throat] one of

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the benefits of being able to redesign a

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site um like this for new development is

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that you can have a lot more control

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over where storm water goes. Yes, the

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site is vegetated treed today. Um but

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there still would be some uncontrolled

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runoff that would go from this property

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onto auto repair garage. Um with this

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site, the rain water would be caught um

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on the roof of the building and then

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funneled out onto the municipal um storm

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system onto Scoffield Street. So,

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because the building is um you know a

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hard surface, it would be able to

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capture most of the water that um falls

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onto the site since the building covers

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most of the property and then funnel

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that right out onto Scoffield Street.

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The um if we look on the top left of the

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screen here, the table and just in that

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5-year column, [snorts] the top number

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is how much water is flowing currently

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from Scoffield onto Odds Auto Repair and

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the number at the bottom is how much is

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projected to flow there post

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development. So you can see it's a

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pretty significant reduction and that's

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just because there's much more of an

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ability to control where storm water is running when you're building the site

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like this.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Because if that if that

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gets flooded that would just be disaster

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for them with the equipment in there.

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All right. Thank you.

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>> Um Mr. Kelly Roots when you speak I

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think it was slide eight um to do with

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your conversations with the Legion. Um

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you spoke about uh future construction

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related agreements will be required. Is

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there a paper trail on this currently?

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like are there, you know, you you're

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standing up there saying it, but what type of conversations on paper have

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you had with the Legion that will assure

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them that you're going to do this and

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that will assure staff and ourselves

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that you're going to

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have these conversations and um with

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them and and that their concerns are

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going to be addressed.

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>> Yeah. To you, Madame Mayor. So yes, all

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of this um was communicated with them by

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email following our our conversation

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with them in person in July. um in terms

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of committing to future construction

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01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,799
related agreements. Um the key thing as

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I mentioned during my presentation is

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that um you know today whether there's a

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paper trail or not like the reality is

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there will need to be like the legion

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will have to sign off on um future

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construction for a Scoffield because the

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site needs the legion to proceed. Um

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whether it's um temporary construction

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works on their site um they would have

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to get the legion's permission for that.

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removing trees that are on the shared

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01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,039
property line. The Legion would have to

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sign off on that. So, in other words, um

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this the construction for a lot of it

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will run through the Legion and they'll

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,039
have an opportunity um to make sure that

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all of their concerns are addressed. So,

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the construction couldn't proceed

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without their sign off and their sign

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01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,079
off um they've reiterated, you know,

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they wouldn't naturally sign off unless

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they're um assured that all their

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concerns have been addressed.

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>> Okay. Thank you. I see no more

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questions. Thank you.

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Okay. So, next up we have some

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delegations. We have um Don Hoskins. Uh

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are you in the room?

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>> Oh, sorry. She's virtual. Um she is

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speaking on the same item.

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» Hello. Can you hear me?

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>> Yes, we can. Can you speak louder

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though?

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>> Yes. Sorry. Can you hear me now?

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>> Yes, we can. Welcome, Don. You'll have

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five minutes.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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>> Good evening, Mayor Liot, council, city

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staff, and members of our community. My

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name is Don Hoskins, and I live directly

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across from this proposed development on

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Courtney Street. I have stood before

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council a few times prior. However, my

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concerns still remain. I strongly

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disagree with city staff's

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recommendation to approve this

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development and recommend council reject

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it. I want to focus on safety,

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accessibility, parking, and lastly, the

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environment and placemaking. Milfield

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Street is steep, narrow, and without

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sidewalks, presenting multiple hazards.

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Traffic on Queen Street is already quite

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steady, and increasing population here

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will significantly amplify that. We need

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to consider the additional challenges

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for emergency crew, especially large

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fire trucks, a problem that we already

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know is a current threat to operations.

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This May, our fire chief, Damon Jameson,

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with 34 years of emergency experience,

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address concerns, citing, "We need to

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work collectively and help mitigate the

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overlooked challenges that newer

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subdivisions and narrow streets afford,"

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highlighting a concerning trend and

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issue with narrow streets and denser

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housing. While there are plans for

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future sidewalks, those are a decade out

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and appear to encroach on the existing

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roadway, causing further narrowing.

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Scoffield is a huge slip and fall risk

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with or without sidewalks and keeping

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them clear with more road salt risks our

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sensitive waterways via runoff and the

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sensitive ecosystem of the Speed River

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just downhill. This slope presents a

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hazard to traffic moving both up and

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down the hill, especially in slippery

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conditions. Parking is an ongoing issue

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for residents in our city as a whole. On

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street parking has recently been limited

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in the nearby neighborhood. This

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compounds further when we have events at

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the Allegiance or film crew. At those

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times, our roads and surrounding

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neighborhood often have bumper-to-bumper

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parking and an increase in traffic as

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guests look for availability. This

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further narrows roadways, increases risk

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to pedestrians, and decreases

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accessibility for emergency crew.

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Lastly, but just as important, we must

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consider the environmental and

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placemaking impacts that developing this

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land will have. Thanks to the site's

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unique topography, the existing mature

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trees tower over Green Street. This

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provides a sense of place for those

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entering the central corridor to our

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Hesler core and business area. The

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mature trees also provide free ecosystem

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services and aren't simply replaceable.

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Sure, trees can be planted elsewhere,

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but there's a large gap in time for them

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to reach maturity and provide the same

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level of service as the trees there now.

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This little slice of mature urban forest

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offers a buffer zone for wildlife, one

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that is very active and that I have

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directly seen and been a very small part

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of. Let me share a quick story about

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that by introducing you to our resident

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groundhog Hogy. I promise that this is

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relevant. 2025 was our first year with a

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little creature. And he was a

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bittersweet guest. On the one part, he

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reminded me of my dear late grandmother,

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as we would always go see groundhogs on

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groundhog day. On the other hand, he was

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a ravenous feast who wasn't shy about

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making my vegetable garden his own

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personal feast. Least to say, in the

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early days, after all the trouble that

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comes with seed starting and tending a

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vegetable garden, I was not impressed.

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After some troubleshooting, probably a

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bad choice of words, we figured out how

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to coexist. I left a small patch of

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clovers for him to mow and put out some

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fencing along the pride's vegetables,

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giving him some here and there when our

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harvest was abundant. In the final days

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of summer, as weather started to cool,

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our neighbors sent us a photo of Hogi on

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the loose. He was heading off our

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property and into the great beyond. My

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partner and I were a little sad to see

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him go and hoped to see him the

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following spring. We were relieved to

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see him return. We now understand that

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our home is his summer den providing

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food and safety while that forest slated

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for development is his winter den

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providing shelter and cover during

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hibernation. I pride myself in taking

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every opportunity I can to help make my

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backyard function as part of the

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ecosystem. We leave a pile of leaves for

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winter critters, delay spring yard work

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and the sort. Our yard is an active

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wildlife hub full of birds, bees,

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,280
fireflies, and even the odd toad. Part

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of that vivaceious activity has been in

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part thanks to Hogi as his home that

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forest has housed a variety of other

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creatures and his services play an

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undeniable role in our ecosystem. His

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presence has now become a welcome part

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in our routine.

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Our city needs safe, affordable housing,

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something this development does not seem

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to provide. Second to that, this

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development threatens current and future

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resident safety, road access, and will

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remove mature trees that provide free

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ecosystem services, water control,

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including that from properties at higher

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elevation and play a significant role in

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placemaking. I will kindly ask council

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to review the writeups, photos, and

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videos submitted prior, highlighting

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these issues and beyond. We have a

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surplus of land available beyond 2015.

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This land is not needed as development,

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but rather to continue serving its

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existing function and purpose. I thank

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you greatly for your time and

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consideration.

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>> Thank you, Don. Are there any questions

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for Don?

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>> I see none. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Next up, Melissa Derell with BU Urban

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regarding a motion reducing costs and

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delays in development approvals. You

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have no presentation. Correct, Melissa?

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>> Thank you. Great. Okay, you have five

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minutes.

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[clears throat]

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>> Excuse me. Well, good evening, Mayor

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Liot, members of council, staff, and

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community members. My name is Melissa

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Durl, and I'm the executive officer of

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Build Urban, a group representing nearly

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20 urban, residential, and commercial

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developers. I'm here today to urge

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council to support Council Schwar's

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motion to reduce costs and delays in the

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planning process. First, I'd like to

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thank councelor Sherry for bringing this

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motion forward. In the development

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industry, time is money. Governments at

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every level have taken steps to address

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the financial side of housing, from

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reducing development charges to cutting

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HST for first-time home buyers, and the

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planning approvals process deserves the

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same attention. Every month, a project

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sits in approvals process adds costs,

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financing, property taxes, and

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consultant fees. City staff have a

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responsibility to conduct thorough

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reviews and ensure applications meet the

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city standards and we support that. What

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our members are asking for is greater

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clarity. Why an additional study is

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required, what it's meant to address,

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and what it adds in time and cost. That

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brings me to the issue that's become

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increasingly challenging for our members

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and a key component of this motion,

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which is thirdparty peer reviews. In

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simple terms, a developer submits an

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application supported by professional

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studies prepared by qualified engineers,

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consultants, and other experts. Those

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materials are then reviewed as part of

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the city's development and approval

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process.

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However, sometimes during that review,

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the city requires the developer to pay

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for another consultant to independently

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review that work that a qualified

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professional has already completed.

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There may be circumstances where an

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additional review is warranted and we

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understand that. Our concern is when

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peer review becomes an added layer

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without a clear explanation of why it's

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necessary or what specific gap it's

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meant to close. We're increasingly

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seeing these reviews requested across

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the region for heritage, engineering,

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wind, sound, and environmental studies.

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And the cost can be significant.

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Developers pay once to have the work

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done and again to have it reviewed. When

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the resulting changes are minor or don't

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meaningfully change the outcome, it

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,400
raises a fair question. Is the added

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cost and delay justified by the value it

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provides? The motion answers that

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question the right way. It asks staff to

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track whether each peer review resulted

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in a material change to the proposed

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development. And that's the right test.

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If a review changes the outcome, it did

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its job. If it doesn't, council deserves

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to know that, too.

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We also support the expanded quarterly

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reporting on development activity and

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the service review of the planning

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process proposed for 2027. This work

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will bring transparency to a process

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that's difficult to measure from the

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outside. It will help council understand

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not just how long approvals are taking

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but why and whether the time and money

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spent throughout the process are

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delivering better outcomes. So from Bill

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Durban, we urge council to support this

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motion and I thank you for your time.

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Are there any questions?

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I see none. Thank you, Melissa.

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So, that concludes this evening's de

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delegations. Before we proceed with the

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remaining agenda items this evening, we

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will return to the unfinished business

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from the June 23rd council meeting

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regarding report 26-040

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PG, recommendation to approve an

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official plan amendment and zoning by

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amendment for 8 Scoffield Street.

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Council has heard an external

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presentation this evening from Richard

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Kelly Roots of GSP Group who provided

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supplementary information regarding

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follow-up discussions with adjacent

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property owners to 8 Scull Scoffield

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Street. You have also heard from the

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delegates again tonight regarding this

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matter. We will now put the motion on

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the floor to permit questions and

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comments and councelor Schwer. Oh, wait

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a minute. And I asked council to be

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brief with comments and questions to

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cons en ensure that we can get through

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all the business on tonight's agenda.

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:56,149
Council Schwer, you have that motion.

821
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:59,040
» No. Thank you, Mayor Leot. U moved by

822
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,719
myself, seconded by councelor Kimson to

823
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:04,800
the recommendation is to approve the

824
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,199
proposed official plan amendment for 8

825
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,080
Scoffield Street to redesate the lands

826
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,360
from lowmedium density residential to

827
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,159
highdensity residential and approve the

828
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,560
proposed zoning bylaw amendment for 8

829
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,719
Scullfield Street to reszone the

830
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,120
property from institutional multiple

831
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,120
residential N1 RM3 to residential R3

832
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,199
with sight specific specific provisions

833
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,679
to permit an eight-story building with

834
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:35,199
72 residential units and direct the city

835
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,159
clerk to present the draft bylaws

836
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:42,159
attached in appendix D and E to report

837
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,270
26-040-PG

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to council for enactment.

839
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,280
>> Are there any questions?

840
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Any comments?

841
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,679
Okay, we will go straight to the vote.

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01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:04,630
Opening voting.

843
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,960
» Closing voting

844
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:14,630
that carries unanimously.

845
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,480
» We will be going to the consent agenda,

846
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,960
but the two finance reports on that

847
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:19,840
>> I can see.

848
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,600
>> Oh, sorry.

849
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,040
>> Yep. Sorry, Madame Mayor. Through you. I

850
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,880
just wanted to clarify that um we're

851
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,800
pulling two items from the consent

852
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,560
agenda listed as 11.6 and 11.7 and they

853
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,320
will be forwarded to a council meeting

854
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,920
expected to take place on September

855
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:43,110
15th, 2026.

856
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,800
Are there any other items you'd wish to

857
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,480
have pulled from the consent agenda

858
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:48,320
tonight?

859
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,560
I see none. So, councelor Hamilton, can

860
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,110
you put the consent agenda on the floor?

861
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,480
» Thank you, Mayor Lan through you. It's

862
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:57,840
moved by myself and seconded by

863
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,239
councelor Schwerry. Recommendation that

864
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:01,760
all items listed under the heading of

865
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,480
consent agenda for August 25th, 2026 be

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01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,360
adopted as recommended. Item 11.1,

867
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,960
council meeting workshop minutes,

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,560
February 9th, 2026. 11.2, Planning

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01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,400
Statutory Public Meeting Minutes, July

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,080
14th, 2026. 11.3 Council Meeting Minutes

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01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,840
July 21st, 2026. 11.4 Council

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,040
Information Package, August 7th, 2026.

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,000
11.5 Council Information Package, July

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24th, 2026.

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01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,159
11.8 26-069-PG

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01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,120
Remove development restriction 2011 and

877
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,679
217 Hesler Road holding removal

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01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:41,199
application

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01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,880
11.9 26-071-PG.

880
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,960
Enact heritage designation with property

881
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,280
owners consent.

882
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,270
11.1026-024-C

883
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,400
supplementary noise exemption approvals

884
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,550
11.1126-073-PG

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01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,480
20 Oldmill Road Heritage Permit

886
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,080
application

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01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,000
11.12 26-075-PG

888
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,480
create new lots on Sage Drive part

889
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,440
control exemption application. and item

890
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:16,080
11.13 special council meeting workshop

891
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,840
minutes August 13 2026.

892
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:25,030
>> Okay, we will call for that vote.

893
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,870
» Opening voting.

894
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,870
» Closing voting

895
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,280
that carries unanimously.

896
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,199
>> We will now move into consideration of

897
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:40,880
reports and this evening we have three

898
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,280
reports before us. The first item is

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01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,520
26-072PG,

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,760
fence variance application F126-

901
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,360
331 Salisbury Avenue. And uh our

902
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,360
director of planning, Bren Neily, will

903
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,600
introduce this item.

904
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:04,950
Welcome, Bren.

905
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,719
» Thank you, mayor and counselors. This

906
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:08,400
report considers a fence variance

907
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,440
application as noted for 331 Salisbury

908
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,000
Avenue to permit a 2.4 meter high fence

909
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,000
where a maximum height of 2.1 is

910
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,880
permitted. Fence various variances are

911
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,640
typically approved under delegated

912
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,719
authority. However, applications are

913
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:24,719
referred to council when objections are

914
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:26,560
received through the circulation

915
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,040
process. The requested increase is

916
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,960
intended to improve privacy due to the

917
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,040
property's higher elevation related to

918
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,600
adjacent lots. And staff have reviewed

919
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,520
the application and determined that the

920
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,600
proposal is appropriate and compatible

921
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,280
with the surrounding neighborhood and

922
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:49,430
approval is recommended.

923
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:52,239
» Councelor Roberts.

924
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:53,679
Thank you, Mayor Jan, and through you

925
01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:54,640
and thank you, Bren, for your

926
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,159
presentation. I have a couple questions,

927
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:57,600
but I'll I'll just start with the one.

928
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,280
So, you mentioned that the elevation was

929
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,199
different. Um, one of the concerns from

930
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:02,640
the neighboring property was that it

931
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,640
didn't seem to be necessary. Could you

932
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,960
speak a little bit more to that? Is this

933
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,280
necessary to have this increased height

934
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,360
of this fence here

935
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,920
>> through you, mayor? Um, it was deemed

936
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,320
warranted in that there is quite a

937
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,480
significant elevation change among the

938
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,400
property owners um in the surrounding

939
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,430
vicinity.

940
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:25,840
» Councelor Hamilton.

941
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,199
Thank you, Mayor Lean through you.

942
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:28,159
Thanks very much, Bren, for your

943
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:30,960
presentation. I'm just curious why our

944
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,280
fence height is about 30 cmters lower

945
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,120
than Kitcher and Wateroo. Is there an

946
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,120
historical reason why our fences aren't

947
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,880
higher? See how the expression good

948
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,040
fences make good neighbors? So, what's

949
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,600
to do with the discrepancy?

950
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,239
>> Through you, Madame Mayor, the the

951
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,320
matter of uh the zoning and height

952
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,080
provisions are a matter of local

953
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,239
importance. I don't know the specific

954
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:55,360
history here in Cambridge. Um, but it's

955
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,280
certainly worth something taking a look

956
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,840
at in terms of consistency with our

957
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,800
surrounding area municipalities. And I

958
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,719
will note that there will be a phase two

959
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:08,400
of the updated zoning bylaw undertaken

960
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,800
um in the not too distant future and a

961
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,040
part of that will include consistency

962
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,520
with other area municipalities.

963
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:15,920
Okay.

964
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:16,719
>> Thank you,

965
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:19,040
>> Councelor Roberts.

966
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,880
>> Thanks, Mayor Jan. through you. Um, one

967
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,280
of the other concerns was the safety of

968
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,600
the way that the fence has been built.

969
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,120
Would you be able to speak to that? Is

970
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,199
it going to be made safe? I guess

971
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:30,800
there's nails poking out or something

972
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,960
that might be unsafe there.

973
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,280
>> Through you, Madame Mayor. As part of

974
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,760
the recommendation, staff have included

975
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,080
conditions requiring that any exposed

976
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,400
nails be corrected for that safety

977
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,719
provision. I'll also note there was

978
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:46,719
comment regarding damage to private

979
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:49,199
property or utility lines, but staff

980
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,360
have not received any evidence to

981
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,520
substantiate those concerns.

982
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,920
>> Okay. Thank you,

983
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,760
>> Councelor Cooper.

984
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,760
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. If you p see on

985
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,679
page 194, you see the discrepancy

986
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,920
between the fences. I'm thinking from a

987
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,239
visual perspective here. You've basic,

988
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,080
you know, you've got stepped fencing. If

989
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,880
this were approved, um, would the

990
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,400
neighbors that have a shorter fence

991
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,800
buted up against it, would they be also

992
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,760
permitted to raise their single fence up

993
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,440
to the same height so it isn't stepped

994
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,840
like that should they choose to?

995
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,760
>> Through you, Madame Mayor. Um, every

996
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,400
property owner is entitled to apply for

997
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,199
a variance of the zoning provisions and

998
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,760
certainly it is common that um,

999
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,080
individual property owners have their

1000
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,640
distinctive preferred fence style. So

1001
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,280
inconsistency among surrounding property

1002
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,080
owners is fairly common in urban

1003
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:51,510
environments such as this.

1004
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,600
Okay, I see no more questions. Councelor

1005
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,120
Roberts, could you put the motion on the

1006
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,430
floor, please?

1007
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:00,960
Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved by

1008
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,120
myself, seconded by councelor Kimson.

1009
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,360
Recommendation to approve the proposed

1010
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,080
fence variance for 331 Salisbury Avenue

1011
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,639
to permit a fence height of 2.4 meters

1012
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,239
between the established building line

1013
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:15,280
and rear lot line of the property as

1014
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,280
shown in appendix A subject to the

1015
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,750
condition noted in this report.

1016
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,280
» Thank you. Are there any comments or

1017
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,920
further questions?

1018
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,520
Seeing none, we'll put the motion on the

1019
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,880
floor.

1020
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,400
>> Sorry, we'll go to the vote.

1021
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,510
>> Opening voting.

1022
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,920
» Closing voting.

1023
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,990
That carries unanimously.

1024
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
The next report for consideration

1025
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,560
tonight is 26-066

1026
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,120
PG Hesper Road Corridor Secondary Plan,

1027
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,760
OPA 102 recommendation.

1028
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,520
and our director of planning, Bren

1029
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:02,950
Neely, will also introduce this item.

1030
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,960
Thank you, mayor. This report presents

1031
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,199
the Hesper Road Corridor Secondary Plan,

1032
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,840
which is a transformative vision for one

1033
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,760
of Cambridge's most important urban

1034
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,400
corridors. Building on extensive public

1035
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,960
consultation and council's consideration

1036
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,800
most recently at the statutory public

1037
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,000
meeting held May 12th, 2026, the plan

1038
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,159
establishes a long-term framework to

1039
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,719
guide the growth, transit investment,

1040
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,440
housing, employment, parks, and public

1041
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:32,000
realm improvements. It charts a path for

1042
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,239
Hespler Road to evolve into a vibrant

1043
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,800
mixeduse transit supportive corridor

1044
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,440
where people can live, work, shop, and

1045
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,440
connect, supporting a more complete,

1046
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,239
sustainable, and prosperous Cambridge.

1047
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,080
As the plan largely reflects the

1048
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,000
presentation given on May 12th, there's

1049
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,560
no formal presentation to be presented

1050
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,120
by staff today. However, staff are here

1051
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,600
and happy to answer any questions that

1052
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:08,709
council may have regarding this plan.

1053
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:12,639
Okay. Uh, councelor Divine.

1054
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:15,040
>> Yes. Thank you through the chair. Uh, I

1055
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,120
wasn't here May 12th. I was I was

1056
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,960
fishing.

1057
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,440
Okay. Uh, well done document. But

1058
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,360
there's a supplementary document that's

1059
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,520
been handed out here that I don't I

1060
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,520
don't quite understand.

1061
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,679
Okay. Okay. It refers to um 112, 122,

1062
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:34,880
and 128 Pine Bush Road.

1063
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:40,870
Can you tell me what that's about?

1064
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,840
through uh through the mayor. Staff are

1065
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:48,400
aware that um a developer within that

1066
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,520
vicinity has um reached out and engaged

1067
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,040
on consideration of a motion to amend

1068
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,840
properties along Pine Bush Road there in

1069
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:58,880
that location.

1070
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,800
>> Okay. But Pine Bush Road is not

1071
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,320
considered part of this plan. Am I

1072
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,719
correct in saying that?

1073
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:06,400
through the mayor. There is a portion of

1074
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,920
Pine Bush Road that covers the um

1075
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,080
northeastern portion of the secondary

1076
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,199
plan area. Yes.

1077
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:14,639
>> Okay. But it wouldn't be on these three

1078
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:16,239
addresses. Is that correct? This is an

1079
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:18,239
addition

1080
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,480
>> through the mayor. Those lands are

1081
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,560
within the secondary plan. My

1082
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,320
understanding is that there's a desire

1083
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,719
to have council consider a different

1084
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,880
designation than the one that staff have

1085
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,280
recommended.

1086
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,800
>> Okay. I think I'm going to need an

1087
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,120
explanation on this from someone. Thank

1088
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,080
you for that because that's a word too.

1089
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,910
Thank Thank you.

1090
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,600
» Councelor Divine, you want the

1091
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,159
explanation now? We have the staff here.

1092
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:53,110
That should be the one

1093
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,719
» through the mayor. I understand that

1094
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:56,719
there may be a motion that council is

1095
01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:00,639
considering and um that would be I think

1096
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:03,120
instructive to the discussion to provide

1097
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:20,790
that explanation.

1098
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,800
» Thank you to you, Madame Mayor. Um, what

1099
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,480
I might recommend is that we put the

1100
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,349
staff recommended motion on the floor

1101
01:26:26,349 --> 01:26:27,840
[snorts] and then I understand that we

1102
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,120
have a potential amendment from

1103
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:30,800
councelor Shiry so we could then add

1104
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,560
that amendment to the floor and then

1105
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,760
that would be the appropriate time to

1106
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,750
have that discussion.

1107
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,800
» Councelor Roberts,

1108
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,800
>> thank you Mayor Jan um and through you

1109
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,199
and thank you Bin and all your staff for

1110
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:46,400
all your hard work on this. I know it's

1111
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,320
been a long time coming. Um I just have

1112
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,280
a question about sort of the rigidity or

1113
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,159
flexibility of this plan. So is this one

1114
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:57,199
of these sort of fluid documents that um

1115
01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:59,199
you know we can have a look at current

1116
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:03,679
economic climate or changes in um you

1117
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:05,840
know land use needs. So, for example, if

1118
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,600
there's an area that's being used for

1119
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,360
industrial that maybe that changes and

1120
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:10,719
we can have a look at that later down

1121
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:12,880
the road depending on the, you know,

1122
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,639
where we're at because as we know things

1123
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:17,679
change rapidly um when it comes to

1124
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:20,080
political stuff. Um is that you know is

1125
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,360
that an opportunity that we will have

1126
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,760
down the road or once we pass this it's

1127
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,639
kind of set until I believe it's 201 I

1128
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:27,760
believe it goes still something like

1129
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,199
that. What how does this document work

1130
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,159
>> through the mayor? The the secondary

1131
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,040
plan is going to be a document of

1132
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,000
council. Should council approve the

1133
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,120
recommended secondary plan today, it

1134
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,000
continues to be a living document with

1135
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,800
council. If council feels there's a need

1136
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,400
to re-evaluate any aspect of the plan,

1137
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,639
staff would welcome a motion from

1138
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,040
council directing staff to do further

1139
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,560
work or reconsider what is proposed. So

1140
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,719
while this visions envisions a long-term

1141
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:07,840
um um setting for the Hesper road

1142
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,960
corridor is not locked in stone. It is

1143
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,040
open to amendment over time as council

1144
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,000
sees fit.

1145
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,750
>> Perfect. Thank you.

1146
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,239
Councelor Shwary. Uh thank you, Mayor.

1147
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:23,760
And actually, uh councelor

1148
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,480
uh Roberts just asked my question, uh

1149
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,199
that I wanted it to be public so people

1150
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:32,480
know that things can change. It's it's

1151
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,679
not set in stone. And um you know, we

1152
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:38,400
can change the drive-thrus

1153
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,440
uh specific use designations

1154
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:45,360
and maybe density changes uh to be able

1155
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,800
to listen to the market demand.

1156
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,000
>> Councelor Hamilton.

1157
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,760
>> Thank you, Mayor through you and thanks

1158
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,639
again, Bren, for your presentation. Um I

1159
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,800
know in part of the the aspiration for

1160
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,440
transportation down HPA road um stage 2

1161
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:03,360
ion light rail transit LRT is part of

1162
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,280
the plan and it forms a substantial

1163
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,520
component of transportation and I know

1164
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,440
that's out of the city's hands. Uh it's

1165
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:15,040
regional and they're moving on to the business case. What happens if that

1166
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,679
doesn't occur? How flexible is the

1167
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:19,760
planning for transportation and the plan

1168
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:24,159
if LRT doesn't end up going down HP road

1169
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:27,440
>> through the mayor um accepting that

1170
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,120
there's some uncertainty built around

1171
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,360
the ION I think it's critical that the

1172
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,480
city recognizes that regardless of the

1173
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:37,520
future or the timing of the ion HP road

1174
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,920
corridor is a major public

1175
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,199
transportation route and we really want

1176
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:45,040
to make sure that we're creating a

1177
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:45,920
development

1178
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,760
pattern that sure potentially um will

1179
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,840
support higher order transit down the

1180
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,280
road, but also today the development

1181
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,280
patterns that are supportive of Grand

1182
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,040
River Transit, supporting their

1183
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,120
ridership, helping them build

1184
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,719
justification to further make

1185
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:05,840
improvements of that important bus route

1186
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,760
that currently is traveling up and down

1187
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,440
Hespler Road Corridor.

1188
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:12,239
>> And one quick followup may thank you. So

1189
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:13,679
would I be correct in saying that the

1190
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:15,760
LRT would help to facilitate the goals

1191
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,400
of the plan in bringing those people the

1192
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,400
greater density to that central corridor

1193
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,440
>> through the mayor the the ion and

1194
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,600
transit oriented development focused on

1195
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,040
that certainly kind of puts um a higher

1196
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,840
level of interest in investment as a

1197
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,639
result of that infrastructure coming in.

1198
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:39,679
Regardless, we know that investment in

1199
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:42,639
transit oriented development is great

1200
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:45,600
for existing transit systems as they are

1201
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,040
in place today and becomes that sort of

1202
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,679
mutually beneficial system of improving

1203
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:55,040
ridership and in doing so improving

1204
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,280
service that's offered in doing so

1205
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,280
supporting a greater intensity of

1206
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,120
housing. It's all sort of

1207
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,199
self-fulfilling.

1208
01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:04,480
>> Thank you. There are a lot of pieces to

1209
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:05,760
the puzzle. Just trying to see how they

1210
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,480
fit. Thank you. [snorts]

1211
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:10,320
>> Councelor Shwer, can you put the revised

1212
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:34,149
staff motion on the floor, please?

1213
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:38,080
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Leget. Um

1214
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,199
moved by myself, seconded by councelor

1215
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:44,480
Ernshaw, uh to approve the official plan

1216
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:46,960
amendment 102 for the Hesler Road

1217
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,679
Corridor Secondary Plan attached to

1218
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:54,149
report 26-066-PG

1219
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,239
as appendix A and B with the following

1220
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:04,470
modifications to policy 21.54.1.5

1221
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:06,480
uh and five demonstrations may be

1222
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,520
required. ired when major developments

1223
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,159
such as commercial path sites exceeding

1224
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:13,679
1,860

1225
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,800
square meters or mixeduse buildings

1226
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,199
including residential or freestanding

1227
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,320
residential development is proposed.

1228
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,880
Demonstration plans are not required for

1229
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,760
renovations, expansion, replacement or

1230
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,560
reconfiguration of existing buildings on

1231
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,040
site, including the mall building.

1232
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,120
Demonstration plans may be prepared for

1233
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,400
sub areas of the site and will generally

1234
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,760
display the following where applicable.

1235
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,960
A locations, uses and mass massing of

1236
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,000
buildings and development blocks. B

1237
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,639
location size and configuration of

1238
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:54,320
public spaces, parkland and open spaces.

1239
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,120
C. Location and layout of public and or

1240
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,239
private streets. D. build form

1241
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,960
transition to adjacent development and

1242
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,920
or e location and layout of parking

1243
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,480
areas

1244
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,800
and I have an amendment.

1245
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,400
>> Is this when I say it or

1246
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,760
>> Yes, if you could put the amendment on

1247
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,280
the floor and then we'll do the

1248
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,239
questions and comments and uh st if

1249
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:20,960
council can keep their that to the uh

1250
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,760
amendment please.

1251
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,960
Do I need a speaker?

1252
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,920
>> Okay. So, my amendment is that the um

1253
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,480
official plan amendment 102 and the

1254
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,120
Hespler Road Corridor secondary plan

1255
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,080
contain contained in appendix B to

1256
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:42,470
report 26-066-PG

1257
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,719
be modified prior to adoption as

1258
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:48,639
follows. that schedule B land use plan

1259
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:51,360
be amended to redesate the lands

1260
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,199
municipally known as 112

1261
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,920
and 128 Pine Bush Road together with

1262
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,440
block 7 to midrise residential

1263
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,679
consistent with the proposed midrise

1264
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:06,320
residential designation of adjacent

1265
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,120
block 8 and that a sightsp specific

1266
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,360
policy be added to section 21

1267
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,760
uh 5.1

1268
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,520
154

1269
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,440
sight specific policies for 1122

1270
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:24,880
and 128 Pine Bush Road block 7 and block

1271
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,239
8 to provide that notwithstanding table

1272
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:32,320
21-1 and section 21

1273
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,440
5.6.3 6.3. Residential development on

1274
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,520
these lands shall be subject to a

1275
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,880
minimum density of 40 units per hectare

1276
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,679
rather than 60 units per hectare. And

1277
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:45,840
that the final density, height, and

1278
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,880
build form of development on these lands

1279
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280
be determined through the applicable

1280
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,920
development approval process having

1281
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,639
regard to sight specific conditions,

1282
01:34:56,639 --> 01:34:58,639
compatibility, servicing,

1283
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:01,199
transportation, infrastructure, urban

1284
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,520
design, public realm, and other

1285
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,000
applicable requirements. and that

1286
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,159
schedule B and any other applicable

1287
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:11,040
schedules, figures, tables, and policies

1288
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:15,189
be modified accordingly.

1289
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:18,639
Do you have a secondary

1290
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:21,920
councelor Meta?

1291
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:31,910
Are there

1292
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,360
uh Bren, do you want to speak to this

1293
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:37,510
before we go to questions?

1294
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,400
uh through the mayor through you mayor.

1295
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,679
The uh motion that's on the floor now

1296
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:46,960
relates to a series of properties with

1297
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,679
mixed ownership. We know that some of

1298
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:52,639
the parcels are presently owned by the

1299
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:55,040
same developer who has already developed

1300
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,960
the residential properties immediately

1301
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,920
to the north of the properties that

1302
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:03,120
councelor Shweri has referred to. We

1303
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,320
also know that within those blocks there

1304
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,199
are two parcels that are currently owned

1305
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,520
by other private land owners and those

1306
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:16,080
properties are being operated as um um

1307
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,120
commercial other private operations that

1308
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,040
are not residentialbased.

1309
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,639
And so, uh, just to be aware that the

1310
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:26,719
motion that councelor Shere has put on

1311
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:29,679
the floor will affect the land use

1312
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:32,719
opportunities both of the residential

1313
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:34,960
developer who owns those lands as well

1314
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,080
as those other um, commercial property

1315
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,070
owner operators.

1316
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,440
» Councelor Divine.

1317
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:45,920
>> Yes. Thank you through the chair. these

1318
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:50,870
three properties in question.

1319
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,080
Can we withdraw these from the motion

1320
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,440
till we actually figure out what they

1321
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:57,440
are?

1322
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,119
Okay. All they are to me all they are is

1323
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:04,080
addresses in ward two. Okay. Um I don't

1324
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,239
know if one of these is the car club or

1325
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:09,520
what it is. Um, if somebody could give

1326
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,199
me some clarity on what 112, 122, and

1327
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:15,440
128 are,

1328
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:19,119
but I don't. All they are is numbers

1329
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,119
through the mayor. The properties that

1330
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,920
are owned by other private owners who

1331
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,280
are not the residential development um,

1332
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,440
owner of the surrounding properties,

1333
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:33,520
those are 122 and 128 Pine Bush. So,

1334
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,440
just to restate that 122 and 128 Pine

1335
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:40,800
Bush are properties owned not by

1336
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:45,910
residential development.

1337
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:46,800
» They're business.

1338
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,239
>> So, councelor Divine, you're still

1339
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:49,520
wanting to know what those

1340
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,880
>> Yes, I'd like to know there.

1341
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,560
>> So, is there anybody in the room who can

1342
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,000
tell us what those properties are,

1343
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:54,639
please?

1344
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:57,600
>> Through you, Mayor. Uh Melissa Castellan

1345
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,360
Alden can answer that question.

1346
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,119
>> Thank you.

1347
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:03,040
>> Good evening. through you, Madame Mayor.

1348
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:07,280
The um letter from Brandt Haven Homes um

1349
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,119
their consultant, Selinka Priamo, is

1350
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,880
included in the council package and has

1351
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,119
a um

1352
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,560
map showing the subject lands. 128 um

1353
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,679
Pine Bush is the car club.

1354
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:21,600
>> Okay. [clears throat]

1355
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,159
>> And 122 is immediately to the west.

1356
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,000
>> I would suggest we take these out until

1357
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,719
we get some clarification on it.

1358
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:34,870
That's what I would suggest.

1359
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,639
» Um, so to be clear, councelor Divine,

1360
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:37,920
are you proposing an amendment to the

1361
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:38,480
amendment?

1362
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:39,119
>> Yes.

1363
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:40,480
>> Okay.

1364
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:42,239
>> Second,

1365
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:43,760
>> we can always put this in later.

1366
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,880
>> Do you have a seconder?

1367
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:51,760
>> Council specificity for how he

1368
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:52,880
speaks.

1369
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,080
>> We're going to have to get the wording

1370
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,639
on your amendment. Councelor Divine. Are

1371
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:58,400
you prepared to do that now or?

1372
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,960
>> Sure. Okay. Do you want to take two

1373
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:01,360
minutes?

1374
01:39:01,360 --> 01:41:15,830
>> Two minutes and we'll Yeah. Thank you.

1375
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,000
I don't have the wording yet.

1376
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,400
>> Oh, you don't have the wording yet?

1377
01:41:20,400 --> 01:46:56,950
Okay. Forget I just did that.

1378
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,040
Okay. So, that was all very confusing,

1379
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,880
but we have come up with a solution and

1380
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:04,800
the clerk, deputy clerk will explain

1381
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,800
what's going to happen.

1382
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:08,080
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you.

1383
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,159
Uh so after conferring with staff and

1384
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,480
councelor Divine um he's not going to

1385
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:14,320
introduce a secondary amendment to

1386
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:15,760
councelor Shuy's amendment. He's just

1387
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,480
going to speak now um to [snorts] his

1388
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:19,840
opinion on the amendment which will

1389
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:20,960
accomplish what he was trying to

1390
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:26,149
accomplish.

1391
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:27,679
» Councelor Schwear, you want to speak to

1392
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:30,159
your amendment? Not councelor Divine's

1393
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:33,119
amendment but your own

1394
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:35,119
because the councelor Divine has

1395
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:38,159
withdrawn his amendment.

1396
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:40,800
Yes. I just want to explain my

1397
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,320
amendment.

1398
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,159
>> Okay. Could we go to qu the rest of the

1399
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:45,520
questions first?

1400
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,840
>> Oh, of course. Councelor uh councelor

1401
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,080
Ameda, you have a question to do with

1402
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:50,400
the

1403
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,080
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Jan. I

1404
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,000
don't. I just want to quickly say I have

1405
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,679
an amendment, but it's an entirely new

1406
01:47:55,679 --> 01:48:00,629
amendment. I'm just letting you know.

1407
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,719
» Okay. This is the problem when when

1408
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:04,719
counselors bring amendments at the last

1409
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:06,639
minute or the last day. All of this

1410
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:08,320
could have been avoided if this had been

1411
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,440
done days ago. This is why staff is

1412
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:14,560
constantly saying, "Please come to us

1413
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,800
when you have amendments."

1414
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,040
So, now we've got a big shimazle on the

1415
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:23,990
floor. Councelor Divine.

1416
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,159
» Thank you. Is the mic on?

1417
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:27,119
>> Mhm.

1418
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:28,639
>> Okay.

1419
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:32,719
What I'm asking for is

1420
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:34,480
of councel

1421
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:37,119
to turn down this amendment. That's what

1422
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:40,320
I'm asking to turn down the amendment.

1423
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,639
This is in word two. All right. And

1424
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:47,600
after a proper investigation,

1425
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,920
okay, and I I will check into it. If I

1426
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,320
have to bring this back

1427
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,360
in this form, I will do that. I will do

1428
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:59,679
that. Ask I'm asking

1429
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:01,520
council

1430
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,400
to turn this down because it's not

1431
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:08,320
appropriate at this time. This word too

1432
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,080
um a couple couple of these buildings I

1433
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,199
know. So I'm asking council to turn it

1434
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:16,080
down. Thank you.

1435
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,600
>> Councelor Hamilton speaking to the

1436
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:18,639
amendment.

1437
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:20,000
>> Uh yes, mayor. They get through. I have

1438
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,080
a question about the amendment. It might

1439
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,080
be an answer from staff, but what

1440
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,679
exactly would be the difference between

1441
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:28,320
density of 40 units per hectare and 60

1442
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,639
units per hectare that the amendment is

1443
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:33,119
asking for? And would that conflict

1444
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:35,600
significantly with the plan?

1445
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,280
>> Through the mayor to councelor Hamilton,

1446
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:41,199
the um proposed densities in the

1447
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:42,880
secondary plan, our recommended density

1448
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,320
of 60 helps us to achieve um the

1449
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,159
required density requirements for a

1450
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,560
major transit station area. They're also

1451
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,360
representative of the stacked townhouse.

1452
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,719
The houses form that are on the

1453
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,960
residential portion of the that property

1454
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,199
currently. So, it's really just an

1455
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:03,280
extension of the existing development.

1456
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,080
If you go down to 40 um units per

1457
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,719
hectare, you're at a low density um

1458
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:11,440
development form in a twostory um

1459
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:15,679
townhouse. Um, and what the motion is

1460
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,080
asking for is to allow for twostory town

1461
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,880
houses to front onto Pine Bush.

1462
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

1463
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:26,056
>> I have a question. I have a question.

1464
01:50:26,056 --> 01:50:27,199
[clears throat]

1465
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:30,159
So, why does it not say a maximum of 40?

1466
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:31,600
Why does it say a minimum? Because a

1467
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:37,669
minimum would still allow for 60.

1468
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:40,239
» The plan is for a minimum density of of

1469
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:46,159
60. So we want to see that um achieved.

1470
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:47,840
>> So there's no maximum.

1471
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:52,229
>> There's no maximum.

1472
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,719
» Thank you.

1473
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,159
Councelor Schwear, you wanted to speak

1474
01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:00,629
to your amendment.

1475
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:04,800
Thank you, Mayor. Um and this particular

1476
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:09,679
um development is ready to go. But they

1477
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:13,760
don't build 60 units, they do 40 units.

1478
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,000
And for them to continue and and be

1479
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,400
ready to build, they would need that

1480
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,679
change. And that just also speaks to to

1481
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:24,800
the market. Um a lot of developers are

1482
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,639
now trying to develop that supports the

1483
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:30,560
market today. And that to me is

1484
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,000
important. And in regards to this whole

1485
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:37,599
lot like 2 122 and 28, those are little

1486
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:40,800
lots and the developer has spoken to the

1487
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,440
other owners and they feel that they're

1488
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:46,320
supported because you can't build um the

1489
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,880
two lots separately are too small to be

1490
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,360
developed. So it only makes sense to put

1491
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,599
them together because they are planning

1492
01:51:53,599 --> 01:51:56,320
to buy to buy it all. So that was the

1493
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,520
purpose of this motion is to because

1494
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,760
they're ready to go and if we don't it's

1495
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,400
going to delay development even more and

1496
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:06,239
we're all about trying to build more

1497
01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:09,840
houses and if we say no then this will

1498
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,520
delay this development.

1499
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:17,040
>> So councelor Schwary if the other

1500
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,760
property owners were not in opposition

1501
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,440
to this motion or amendment why are they

1502
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,360
not here? Why have we not heard from

1503
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,960
them saying they want to be part of this

1504
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:32,800
development? Because we we only have you

1505
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,599
saying that that the other developer

1506
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:39,679
has spoken to you and they've said that

1507
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:42,239
they have spoken to the other people,

1508
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:44,560
the other property owners saying they

1509
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:48,880
are in agreement, but we have no proof.

1510
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,679
>> So I I understand what you're saying. If

1511
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:54,000
I can respond to you, these other

1512
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,920
properties cannot be developed. Um like

1513
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,040
if we just approve the 112, the other

1514
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,679
two are too small even for development.

1515
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:06,639
So if we want to develop, they they

1516
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:08,960
would need that whole area. So that was

1517
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:14,550
the purpose of my amendment.

1518
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,360
» Okay. So I go back. So we don't have any

1519
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,679
proof that any of those conversations

1520
01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:21,760
have happened. That's just my concern.

1521
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,560
We're going by what Brand Haven is

1522
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:25,599
saying that they've had the

1523
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:27,599
conversations and they intend on buying

1524
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:29,040
those properties from the other property

1525
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:30,639
owners and we're supposed to base our

1526
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:33,679
decisions on that conversation.

1527
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:35,119
Councelor Meta.

1528
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,119
>> Well, um, thank you very much, Mayor

1529
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:39,599
Jan. And for me, it's kind of a struggle

1530
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:42,080
and I'll explain why. I see what we're

1531
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:44,320
trying to achieve with the high density,

1532
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,400
but also I personally want a mix of

1533
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,400
housing and I hear from residents

1534
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:49,760
there's not enough of the kind of

1535
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,159
housing that they want. So I'm wondering

1536
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:54,560
if this might be an opportunity for some

1537
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,960
family size housing because on Husper

1538
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:58,880
Road itself, I don't think we're going

1539
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:03,840
to get it. So that's just my two cents.

1540
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,040
>> Cassery.

1541
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,280
>> Um thank you, Mayor. I just want to make

1542
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,760
another comment which um I have talked

1543
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,239
to staff with. This is my concern with

1544
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:15,760
this Hler corridor secondary plan. It's

1545
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,119
too prescriptive and it doesn't support

1546
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:22,000
I think market demand and putting in

1547
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,880
specific rules in place will detract

1548
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,000
some developers and businesses. So we

1549
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,679
have to be um we have I I feel that we

1550
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:36,239
have to allow um to be more uh flexible

1551
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:40,239
in in the in the densities and with the

1552
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:42,159
stuff right now it's too prescriptive

1553
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:45,520
it's not flexible and I know the the

1554
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,360
plan is saying that we can pass

1555
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,880
amendments in the future but I feel this

1556
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,719
still should still it still might

1557
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:55,440
detract people and I feel I still feel

1558
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,320
that we should make the uh densities

1559
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:04,320
more um more flexible than they are now.

1560
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,159
>> So, I have a question of staff here. I'm

1561
01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:08,560
not opposed to to what you're talking

1562
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,119
about um councelor Sher. I I actually

1563
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:13,760
think it's pretty good thought process.

1564
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,000
Um but I want I have a question from

1565
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,880
staff. So if we pass it, if we vote down

1566
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,760
the amendment and pass the secondary

1567
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:25,840
plan without that,

1568
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:29,280
we can bring back that parcel of land

1569
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:32,239
and those amend that the amendments that

1570
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:33,920
councelor Shery is talking about bring

1571
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:37,920
that forward at next coun like

1572
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,000
next term

1573
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:44,629
which will still be just as quick

1574
01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:47,360
» to you madame mayor. um the appropriate

1575
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:48,719
avenue would be through a sightsp

1576
01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:50,320
specific development application from

1577
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:52,880
the land owner and they would require a

1578
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,159
zoning amendment regardless. So um that

1579
01:55:56,159 --> 01:55:58,000
would be the appropriate process. It it

1580
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,360
seems like they're trying to do a sight

1581
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,040
specific development through a secondary

1582
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,199
plan.

1583
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:05,520
>> Okay. So the right process in my mind

1584
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,040
Okay. Thank you. It would be to vote

1585
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:08,320
down the amendment and have them go

1586
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,320
through the process that would assure

1587
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,320
that this is all done properly. That's

1588
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:16,400
just my my my um thinking on this.

1589
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,239
Council, did you want to speak again?

1590
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:20,719
>> Yeah, ju just one last comment. If we do

1591
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:28,320
that um if we don't uh reduce the the minimum this this development is

1592
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,480
ready to go like tomorrow, they're

1593
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,560
ready. And if we do and we wait till our

1594
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:37,599
next council, that's a huge delay for planning. And then we talk about

1595
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:40,800
it's going to add more costs and um so

1596
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:42,239
I'm just saying we need to be more

1597
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:44,800
flexible with the density.

1598
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,320
>> Well, I'm wondering if this would be

1599
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:48,400
able to come back on the 15th

1600
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:51,119
potentially. Could you speak to this?

1601
01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:52,560
>> Yeah, that would be great.

1602
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,159
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh for

1603
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:57,280
council's awareness, the secondary plan

1604
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,719
will bring into effect a policy regime.

1605
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:04,000
So that will alleviate potentially

1606
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,280
should should the motion be passed by

1607
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:10,400
council that will alleviate the need for

1608
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,239
the applicant to undertake an official

1609
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:15,440
plan amendment. However, there is still

1610
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,760
the underlying zoning in place. So

1611
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,520
regardless, there is still a planning

1612
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:23,840
act application process where these um

1613
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:27,360
respective parcels of land will steing

1614
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:30,400
bylaw amendment process in order to

1615
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:33,199
establish the zoning in order to proceed

1616
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:36,639
with the next phase of development.

1617
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:39,520
>> Councelor Roberts.

1618
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,040
>> Thank you, Mayor Jan and through I'm

1619
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,760
sorry. I think I'm just confused. Um cuz

1620
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,599
if the if the development is ready to

1621
01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:47,199
go, like shovels in the ground, but they

1622
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:48,880
don't own the other two properties. I'm

1623
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,199
just confused how that's possible. Like

1624
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:52,880
I'm happy to support if there's a

1625
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,000
development that's like, "Yeah, let's

1626
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,159
build tomorrow." But how are they ready

1627
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:58,080
to go if they don't own the properties?

1628
01:57:58,080 --> 01:57:59,840
Do they need those other little pieces

1629
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:02,320
in order to build this out or can we

1630
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,800
just approve the reduced density on the

1631
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,480
piece they do own if it is like they're

1632
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,480
going to build tomorrow and leave those

1633
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,800
other two alone? I'm just a little

1634
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,520
confused.

1635
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,679
through you. Madame Mayor, it is

1636
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:17,840
possible for development to proceed

1637
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:19,760
under multiple land ownership. In that

1638
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,840
case, the application just needs to

1639
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:23,760
include support of documentation that

1640
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,800
all land owners are um in agreement with

1641
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:31,350
the applications.

1642
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,320
» Councelor Divine,

1643
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,239
>> we're beating this up pretty good. Um

1644
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,159
can you just read the motion back so I

1645
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:41,760
we all understand where we're at?

1646
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,360
Kria amendment

1647
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:47,840
>> the amendment can read it back.

1648
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:49,760
>> Uh so we'll display it for you as well.

1649
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:56,950
>> Thank you.

1650
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,280
» Um so the amendment on the floor is that

1651
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,440
official plan amendment number 102 and

1652
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:02,960
the Hesville Road corridor secondary

1653
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,800
plan contained in appendix B to report

1654
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,040
26-066-PG

1655
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,639
be modified prior to adoption as

1656
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:11,040
follows. uh that schedule B land use

1657
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:12,800
plan be amended to redesate the lands

1658
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,679
municipally known as 112, 122, and 128

1659
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:17,920
Pine Bush Road together with block 7 to

1660
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:20,080
mid-rise residential consistent with the

1661
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:21,679
proposed mid-rise residential

1662
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:23,840
designation of adjacent block 8. and

1663
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:25,679
that a sight specific policy be added to

1664
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:28,239
section 21.5.14

1665
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,920
sight specific policies for 1122 and 128

1666
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,239
Pine Bush Road block 7 and block 8 to

1667
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:37,679
provide that notwithstanding table 21-1

1668
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:41,360
and section 21-5.6.3 6.3 residential

1669
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:42,639
development on these lands shall be

1670
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,560
subject to a minimum density of 40 units

1671
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,560
per hectare rather than 60 units per

1672
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,480
hectare and that the final density

1673
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:50,000
height and built form of development on

1674
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,280
these lands be determined through the

1675
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:53,199
applicable development approval process

1676
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:54,639
having regard to sight specific

1677
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:56,880
conditions compatibility servicing

1678
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,040
transportation infrastructure urban

1679
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,199
design public realm and other applicable

1680
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,280
requirements and that schedule B and any

1681
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,679
other applicable schedule figures tables

1682
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:08,400
and policies be modified accordingly

1683
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,000
>> thank you and I'm asking and I'm asking

1684
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,760
council to turn that down so we get

1685
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:14,159
clarification on it down the road and I

1686
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:16,719
think that's very important. Thank you

1687
02:00:16,719 --> 02:00:18,719
>> councelor Cooper.

1688
02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:19,920
>> Yes, thank you. Yeah, we really are

1689
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,679
beating this one up here. Um what's I

1690
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,199
think what councelor Sh is trying to do

1691
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:24,800
here. I mean there may be some uh

1692
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,360
validity to this and what what's trying

1693
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,040
to be done here and if we you know we're

1694
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,400
trying to believe that there's someone

1695
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:31,920
here literally with the hard hat on and

1696
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,239
boots ready to go. Um I I do have a

1697
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:35,360
little bit of an issue with the fact

1698
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:38,000
that if this is so they're so eager, so

1699
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,760
ready to go, then there's nobody here.

1700
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,960
Um so I'd be more than happy if we could

1701
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:46,000
if we're able to bring this up soon,

1702
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,800
very soon. And hopefully have some

1703
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,320
people standing here that could back

1704
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,960
this up. If you can, if there's people

1705
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,440
involved in this that can back this up,

1706
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,280
then then let's go. But right now, we're

1707
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,440
kind of everything's being thrown at us

1708
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,760
without any kind of hard evidence for us

1709
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,520
to be able to back this up and say,

1710
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:05,440
"Let's do this." But if we can back it

1711
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,920
up, hey, let's go. But let's uh let's

1712
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:10,320
bring this back soon.

1713
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:20,390
>> But not today. But not today.

1714
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:22,480
This is really problematic because this

1715
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:24,480
is already, as the city manager is

1716
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,719
saying to me, it's already gone through

1717
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:29,520
extensive public engagement

1718
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,599
and we've got amendments on the floor

1719
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:33,760
last minute that we are all struggling

1720
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:35,040
with. First off, we don't even

1721
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,960
understand it now that we're starting to

1722
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:38,480
understand it. We're still struggling

1723
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:43,750
with that decision-making process.

1724
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:45,520
to Hardy to make a couple comments.

1725
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,119
>> Hardy, can you make a couple of comments

1726
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:50,870
on this, please?

1727
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:52,639
» Thank you, Mayor Leot through through

1728
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:59,920
you to the rest of council. I think it's um well known that Hesper Road is

1729
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:03,440
really a canvas ripe for redevelopment.

1730
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:06,560
When you go down Hesper Road, it's a

1731
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:10,320
large, very wide almost highway and all

1732
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:14,480
you see is parking lots and you see very

1733
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:16,480
um

1734
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:20,320
cars. You see a field of parking lots

1735
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:22,880
and you see many one and twostory

1736
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,000
buildings set very far back.

1737
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,320
Oftentimes it's referred to as one of

1738
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:32,480
the worst planned road networks in

1739
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,119
southwestern Ontario.

1740
02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:36,880
What we have done here tonight and

1741
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,760
presented to council, as Mayor Liot

1742
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:41,920
indicated, has been years of public

1743
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,119
engagement. It's been feedback from this

1744
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,599
council and the previous council. It's

1745
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:50,400
been feedback from thousands of our

1746
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:54,080
residents around what can Hester Road

1747
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:57,360
look like over the next 10 years, 20,

1748
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:00,880
30, and up to 50 years.

1749
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,520
And what we've presented here tonight is

1750
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:07,760
a is really a community that's based on

1751
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:10,960
some public spaces,

1752
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,360
some dense buildings, some tall

1753
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,880
buildings up to 25 stories. We have

1754
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:19,840
concerns when we we hear about 25-story

1755
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:22,960
buildings going in neighborhoods. Esper

1756
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:26,400
Road is prime and ripe to welcome this

1757
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,639
kind of development and this kind of

1758
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:31,599
investment into our community. We're

1759
02:03:31,599 --> 02:03:35,280
talking about policies and we're asking

1760
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:38,400
council to help us shape the policies of

1761
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,119
how this community is going to grow over

1762
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:43,599
the decades to come. It's a very

1763
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:46,239
important decision, but it's one that we

1764
02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:49,199
I think are very prepared for. We

1765
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:51,360
provided information to council. We've

1766
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,679
been providing information for council

1767
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:56,239
over the last number of years. We came

1768
02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:58,960
this spring and presented the draft

1769
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,520
proposal. We've done additional

1770
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,480
modifications based on a few additional

1771
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,440
comments and we're very pleased with the

1772
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,280
direction and vision that council has

1773
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:12,639
told us to go forth and set policies for

1774
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:17,109
the growth of our community.

1775
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:20,239
If there is a property that you feel

1776
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:23,280
might not quite meet that vision, there

1777
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:26,320
are different mechanisms to address.

1778
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,800
But what council is asking you to do

1779
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,199
tonight is to approve the vision for

1780
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:34,320
this community so that investors,

1781
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:35,920
builders,

1782
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:39,040
property owners know how we're going to

1783
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:42,560
grow and where we're going to grow.

1784
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:45,199
Thank you,

1785
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:48,480
>> Councelor Schwar.

1786
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:51,280
>> Thank you, Mayor Leot. Um just one

1787
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:54,400
question but before I do uh these

1788
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:56,880
developers were

1789
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,599
they told me that they were told by

1790
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:02,639
staff that you know we could do an

1791
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:06,000
amendment to this to our to this plan

1792
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,960
which is why I brought it. Um I wouldn't

1793
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:11,119
have known otherwise. So they were

1794
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:13,599
directed and that's what what I did. But

1795
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:15,920
my question is can you were talking

1796
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:19,440
about a September 13 meeting. Are we

1797
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,960
able to pause this till then so I can

1798
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,599
get you better information to to support

1799
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:29,119
this? And then and and like had uh Bin

1800
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:34,320
had said um Miss Neely um Miss Neie that

1801
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:36,960
even um

1802
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:39,599
that this is a fluid document and you

1803
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:42,880
know amendments or changes are welcome

1804
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:45,840
um from how I'm understanding this. So,

1805
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,800
I'm just wondering, can we wait on until

1806
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,119
September 13 and and bring it back?

1807
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:53,440
Because if we wait too long, um this

1808
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,639
will affect this development.

1809
02:05:56,639 --> 02:05:58,400
>> So, it's September 15th. We have a

1810
02:05:58,400 --> 02:05:59,840
planning and development meeting and

1811
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:01,679
we're considering well, we have to bring

1812
02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:03,520
something else back to council anyway,

1813
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:05,840
but we're we can't guarantee that that

1814
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,800
could be done by the September 15th. I

1815
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:11,280
personally am not willing to stop the

1816
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,280
Hebler secondary plan from going

1817
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:15,840
forward. We need to vote on that. Get

1818
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:18,080
that done currently. Hardy, did you want

1819
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:21,040
to speak on councelor Schwar's question,

1820
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:24,000
please?

1821
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,000
>> Thank you. Staff are looking for a

1822
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,159
decision from council this evening. The

1823
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:31,119
work that we've done on our secondary

1824
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:34,079
plan for Hesler Road currently is funded

1825
02:06:34,079 --> 02:06:39,360
through our half. half is the um housing

1826
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,159
accelerator fund money sponsored from

1827
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:44,639
the federal government. If we don't have

1828
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:46,880
a decision by council this evening, we

1829
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,639
may be in jeopardy of losing that

1830
02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:50,719
funding for this project which would

1831
02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:53,440
then be borne by our taxpayers. So, I

1832
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:58,320
just wanted to ensure that council was aware of that. Thank you.

1833
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:00,239
>> And you had said that there is another

1834
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:01,760
way of this being brought forward. I

1835
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,920
think it was you or or Miss Neely that

1836
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,440
there's another way of bringing this

1837
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:07,760
forward for this piece of property the

1838
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,990
future. Okay.

1839
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:13,679
» Mayor through you madame mayor. There

1840
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:15,520
are really

1841
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:18,239
two options. Should council not make

1842
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:22,639
this um revision today. The there are

1843
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:25,040
two options that this specific site

1844
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,400
could move forward. The normal course of

1845
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:32,159
action is that the developer would make

1846
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:34,000
an application for an official plan

1847
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:37,679
amendment. I remind council that they

1848
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:39,360
are going to need to make an application

1849
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:42,079
for a zoning bylaw amendment regardless.

1850
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:45,520
So, um those planning applications could

1851
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,520
come forward through the development

1852
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:51,119
application process. Alternatively, um

1853
02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:54,480
should council desire, it's council's,

1854
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:57,199
um authority to direct staff to go back

1855
02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:59,360
and have a look at this parcel, and that

1856
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,599
would not be a development application.

1857
02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:04,400
That would be a city initiated amendment

1858
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:07,440
to the policy.

1859
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:12,069
>> Councelor Kimson.

1860
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:13,440
» So, this is just speaking to the

1861
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,840
amendment.

1862
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:18,159
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Sorry, I

1863
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:20,159
tried to turn on my mic and turn it off.

1864
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:23,040
Anyhow, um thank you. Um I guess I'm

1865
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,040
just following along what you had

1866
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:26,560
mentioned and what councelor Cooper had

1867
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:28,880
mentioned about whether or not there was

1868
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:31,840
the opportunity to revisit this on

1869
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,800
September the 15th, recognizing we do

1870
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:36,560
realize it's in the report right here

1871
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:38,719
that we need to have this approved by

1872
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:42,079
October 31st. And obviously we're

1873
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:45,040
running out of time. So, I'm not sure if

1874
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:48,480
that if that's something that

1875
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:51,199
I'm unclear as to whether or not we we

1876
02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:54,000
can potentially do that or if we can't

1877
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,920
do that.

1878
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:57,440
>> So, I believe that's just for the

1879
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,000
Hespler Road secondary plan that we need

1880
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,560
to get that part done. Correct. Yes.

1881
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:04,159
It's just for that, not for the

1882
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:07,350
amendment.

1883
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:09,040
» May I follow up?

1884
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>> Mr. Bronberg will follow your followup.

1885
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:18,079
Go ahead.

1886
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:20,079
>> Oh, sorry. Thank you. Um, can we have

1887
02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:25,830
just a quick recess for something?

1888
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:28,480
» How about we have Mr. Brownberg respond

1889
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:30,800
to your original to see if I'm correct

1890
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in what I just said.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

1892
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>> Thank you. So it's really important to

1893
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:40,079
note that the secondary plan will also

1894
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:42,719
form the basis of our official plan work

1895
02:09:42,719 --> 02:09:44,800
which is currently scheduled to start at

1896
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:48,480
the end of this year. That work um will

1897
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:51,679
also look at policies and asking council

1898
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to adopt pal policies for how the entire

1899
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:58,159
city of Cambridge will grow. There is an

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02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:01,840
opportunity there to revisit some of the

1901
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,079
um or this specific property through

1902
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:06,719
that process. In the meantime, if that

1903
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:08,800
doesn't work for a particular property

1904
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,520
owner, they still have, as Miss Neie

1905
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:13,520
indicated, they still have the mechanism

1906
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,880
to go through a a sightspecific

1907
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:19,520
revision, a sightspecific what we call

1908
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,719
an official plan amendment or um in this

1909
02:10:22,719 --> 02:10:24,960
case that would also be required to

1910
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:26,960
still go through the zoning bylaw

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amendment. Remember, a secondary plan

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and an official plan are only the

1913
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policies of how council envisions this

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community to grow. The zoning bylaw is

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what actually provides the rules. And so

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02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,719
the rules don't align currently if

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council approves this official plan and

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the policies with the policies. So, what

1919
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,599
Miss Neie was trying to explain is even

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if council were to approve this policy

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tonight for a specific property, they

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still have to go through a planning

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process.

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Thank you.

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>> Okay, we're going to go straight to the

1926
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vote on the amendment rather than take a

1927
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recess here. We've been going on for way

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02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:15,840
too long and [clears throat] it becomes

1929
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:17,840
non-transparent to the public. I have

1930
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I'm I'm very concerned that the public

1931
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:21,280
is wondering what we're doing when we

1932
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:22,880
take these recesses and I don't think

1933
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it's fair. So, um the amendment is on

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the floor and we will do that vote.

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>> Opening voting.

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» Closing voting

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that is defeated by uh 7 to2 vote.

1938
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And now the original main motion is back

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on the floor, madam.

1940
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:51,440
>> Okay. So, the original motion is on the

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02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:54,480
floor now. We will go to that vote.

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02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,480
>> The original motion.

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02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:57,920
>> Yes.

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>> Oh, you had an amendment to the original

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02:11:59,679 --> 02:12:01,199
motion?

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02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:05,750
>> Okay. Go ahead.

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02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,679
» Okay. So, I do have an amendment that is

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moved by myself.

1949
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:10,079
>> Can I ask you a question first? Has

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02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:11,520
staff seen this at all?

1951
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,760
>> They have. Yes. I've emailed it and it's

1952
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,560
right here. Um, I've moved it's moved by

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02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,760
myself, seconded by councelor Schwary.

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02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,840
Whereas Northview Heights Lookout Park

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provides a valued public vantage point

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and visual connection to the surrounding

1957
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landscape and city skyline and future

1958
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high-rise and midrise developments

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within the Hesper Road and Canamera

1960
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:37,920
Parkway major transit station area MTSA

1961
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have the potential to impact sight lines

1962
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and public view corridors from this

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public vantage point. Now therefore, be

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it resolved that the draft Hasper Road

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corridor secondary plan be amended by

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adding the following provision. one

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sight line and view protection from

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Northview Heights Lookout Park that all

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future development applications

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including zoning bylaw amendments and

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site plan approvals located within the

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Hesper Road and Canamera Parkway major

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02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:12,000
transit station area MTSA be strongly

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02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,280
encouraged to include a visual impact in

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02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:17,840
sight line assessment evaluating the

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proposed building height massing and

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placement relative to established public

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vehicle corridors from Northview Heights

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Lookout Park and that the development

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design be strongly encouraged to

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02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:31,840
incorporate consideration of these

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02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,239
public views utilizing architectural

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stepping strategic tower orientation and

1984
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:40,639
appropriate setbacks to preserve visual

1985
02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:43,280
permeability and maintain the scenic

1986
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,760
integrity of the lookout experience

1987
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where feasible. And I would like to

1988
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:50,560
speak to this.

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Can I ask staff to put that back up on

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02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:53,679
the floor and go back to the beginning

1991
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:56,400
part of it, please? So I can absorb that

1992
02:13:56,400 --> 02:14:08,067
again.

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[snorts]

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Okay. Normally we go to questions. Uh,

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so I'm going to go to questions that

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02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:23,440
counselors may have for staff at this

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02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:26,400
point or of counselor and then we will

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02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,159
go to comments and I'm going to ask

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02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:31,119
staff to comment on this and and uh the

2000
02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:34,480
impact that this may have.

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Any questions?

2002
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:39,760
I see none. So go ahead councelor Amanda

2003
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,480
with your comment.

2004
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:44,719
The reason I'm bringing this forward and

2005
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,560
I do realize there were a lot of

2006
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:48,480
opportunities throughout the process to

2007
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:51,360
have this discussion and I have already

2008
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:53,760
mentioned this as part of my feedback to

2009
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:55,840
date. Um the reason I'm bringing this

2010
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:57,760
forward is to get this early in the

2011
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:00,320
process. I believe that the secondary

2012
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plan kind of sets the blueprint for the

2013
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future and I know we're going to be

2014
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:06,079
looking at the official plan and the

2015
02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:08,320
zoning bylaw. I totally get all that,

2016
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but I I want to start on this right away

2017
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because this is a very important view in

2018
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:16,880
our city. Not just to the North View

2019
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:18,800
Heights neighborhood, but to the

2020
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:22,000
province of Ontario. I see people visit

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02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:25,199
that lookout from the GTA who are amazed

2022
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:27,679
at the view. You know, how buildings are

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02:15:27,679 --> 02:15:29,280
not blocking the view like they are in

2024
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:32,480
Missaga. I'm amazed. I've uh you know

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02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,880
even met people from places like

2026
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:37,280
Northern Ontario who say that it kind of

2027
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:38,880
reminds them of that with the rolling

2028
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:40,880
hills around the city. You know the

2029
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,880
beautiful landscape that we have. People

2030
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:45,679
from Lake Huron who say the sunsets are

2031
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:48,239
very competitive because of how far you

2032
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:50,960
can see across the city. So it really is

2033
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:53,840
a beautiful space and I want to protect

2034
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:57,199
it and um I'm not asking to stop

2035
02:15:57,199 --> 02:15:59,679
development. I'm not, you know, I'm

2036
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:01,360
development is coming to the Hesper

2037
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:03,599
road. It makes a lot more sense on

2038
02:16:03,599 --> 02:16:05,440
Hesper Road than in our heritage core

2039
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,599
areas, for example, like, you know, like

2040
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:10,639
towers and so forth. However, it needs

2041
02:16:10,639 --> 02:16:12,560
to be done right because there are still

2042
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:15,040
things in this area of the city that we

2043
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:17,199
do want to preserve and the view from

2044
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:19,599
that lookout is one of them. And I

2045
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:22,960
realize the challenges with the MTSA. I

2046
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,280
understand the limitations of what we

2047
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,920
can do. However, I do believe if we have

2048
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,480
the right policies in place, we can

2049
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:33,040
position the buildings in such a way to

2050
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:34,719
preserve those views. And I want to have

2051
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:37,439
that discussion now before we have an

2052
02:16:37,439 --> 02:16:39,840
application before us and then we're

2053
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,479
scrambling how to preserve those views.

2054
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:45,439
So, this is just being proactive and I

2055
02:16:45,439 --> 02:16:47,359
want to just get this out for council's

2056
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:49,840
consideration and um I'll leave my

2057
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:52,080
comments at that. Thank you. So, if I

2058
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,479
could ask you a question on your

2059
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:56,399
amendment, you're just saying to be

2060
02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:57,679
encouraged. You're not trying to

2061
02:16:57,679 --> 02:17:00,000
restrict anything here because I notice

2062
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:01,920
your wording is very soft and saying

2063
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,359
encouraging.

2064
02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:05,760
>> Thank you, Mayor Dan. That is a great

2065
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,559
question. My what I would really prefer

2066
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:11,359
to put in is shall, but I do understand

2067
02:17:11,359 --> 02:17:14,559
the legal implications of that, right?

2068
02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:16,639
especially with the limitations of the

2069
02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:20,319
MTSA and how council has very little say

2070
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:22,800
over that kind of density. So I wanted

2071
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:25,359
to make the motion as strongly as

2072
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:27,840
possible while you know being legally

2073
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:29,840
compliant. I'll strongly encourage. I

2074
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:32,160
think gets the point across and in the

2075
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,639
future if we can tighten it up, we can

2076
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:37,200
see what we can do. But I wanted to get

2077
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:39,439
this out in the open so that we can be

2078
02:17:39,439 --> 02:17:41,280
proactive right away and and have

2079
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,679
something in place as you know we change

2080
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:45,120
the zoning in the future and the

2081
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:47,040
official plan and all that.

2082
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,519
>> Okay. Councelor, your comments.

2083
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,280
>> Actually, I had a question. I wonder if

2084
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:52,880
there's a seconder for the motion. I

2085
02:17:52,880 --> 02:17:55,599
didn't hear that.

2086
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:58,639
Councelor Schwar.

2087
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:00,160
>> Okay, councelor Kimson, you have

2088
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:01,359
comments.

2089
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:03,519
>> Um, is it too late for me to ask a

2090
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:05,280
question?

2091
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:06,559
>> Thank you very Thank you very much,

2092
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:08,559
Mayor Jan. Just wondering if staff could

2093
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:11,120
comment on what sort of precedent

2094
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:14,479
something like this might set for um

2095
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:18,479
other areas because I I think of you we talk about we we have so many

2096
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:20,960
incredible views and vistas throughout

2097
02:18:20,960 --> 02:18:23,040
Cambridge and I'm wondering if that's

2098
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:26,719
something that could really prohibit

2099
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:28,160
some of the work that we've been trying

2100
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:29,120
to do.

2101
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:31,679
>> That's why I said staff will comment

2102
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:34,800
after every counselors have have done

2103
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:37,840
their comments and will I wanted to see

2104
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:40,880
if there is any any blow back from any

2105
02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:41,760
of this.

2106
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:42,160
>> Thank you.

2107
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:43,840
>> So, councelor Hamilton, you have a

2108
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:44,719
comment

2109
02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:48,309
>> or a question?

2110
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:52,880
» Okay. So, Bin or um

2111
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:55,200
sorry, who's going to get up and comment

2112
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:58,559
on the impact of potential impact of

2113
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:01,920
this amendment? and also to if you could

2114
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,319
u respond to councelor Kempson's

2115
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,639
question.

2116
02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:08,399
>> Certainly through you madame mayor.

2117
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:12,160
Maybe I'll start big picture first. Um

2118
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:15,359
certainly uh it's not uncommon for

2119
02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:17,599
municipalities to undertake viewshed

2120
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:20,639
studies and to identify very special

2121
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:22,479
views that they wish to protect for the

2122
02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:25,439
long term. And in the process of doing

2123
02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:28,479
that, a view shed study would undertake

2124
02:19:28,479 --> 02:19:30,639
work such as establishing the

2125
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:33,040
boundaries. How what is the specific

2126
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,120
point from which we're taking this view?

2127
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:37,599
What are the specific things we're

2128
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:39,920
trying to see through this view? What's

2129
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,639
the window that we're looking through

2130
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:45,760
like that angle? How high or low and how

2131
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:48,080
far does it go into the distance? All of

2132
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:51,120
those things on a case-byase basis would

2133
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,600
be established through a viewshed. So, I

2134
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:56,080
wouldn't say it would have sort of an

2135
02:19:56,080 --> 02:20:00,000
all-encompassing impact. It would be um

2136
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,479
the responsibility of council through

2137
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:04,560
community consultation to identify those

2138
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,520
very special areas that warrant that

2139
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,880
level of analysis in in order to then

2140
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:12,800
implement the protective measures to

2141
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:14,960
preserve those views.

2142
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:19,280
In terms of the specific motion,

2143
02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:24,160
our suggestion would be not that it be

2144
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:26,080
identified at this point because we're

2145
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:29,040
not able in this moment to identify

2146
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:31,040
those factors, the very specific point

2147
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,600
we're viewing from the very specific

2148
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:37,200
points we're trying to see. instead to

2149
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:39,200
undertake that work through the capital

2150
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:41,200
project that will be going on um

2151
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:43,520
commencing soon and going through 2026

2152
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:46,080
of the official plan work where we can

2153
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:48,479
undertake that analysis and then

2154
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,240
subsequent to that we would implement

2155
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,000
those mechanisms through the zoning

2156
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:58,080
bylaw um phase 2 comprehensive review.

2157
02:20:58,080 --> 02:20:59,680
So

2158
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,280
based on what you've said,

2159
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:07,680
um, is there any danger in not

2160
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:09,439
voting for this tonight? I know you're

2161
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:12,479
saying for future, but what would be the

2162
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:15,680
danger? You've given us a different side

2163
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,920
of this

2164
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:20,160
>> through you, mayor.

2165
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:22,240
Back to the previous discussion. This is

2166
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:25,280
a policy document. So any major

2167
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:27,040
development that will in fact come

2168
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:30,240
forward to implement this policy should

2169
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:32,640
council approve the secondary plan is

2170
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:34,240
not going to have an immediate effect.

2171
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,640
We're not going to see cranes popping up

2172
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:39,439
all over Hespler. There are planning

2173
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:41,840
applications that will be necessary to

2174
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,880
amend the zoning bylaw as uh general

2175
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:49,040
manager Bronberg said. Uh so nothing is

2176
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:52,800
going to catastrophically impact the

2177
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:54,880
important viewshed in the immediate

2178
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:56,960
short-term future.

2179
02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:59,200
That's why my recommendation would be

2180
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,040
that council take the time to do the

2181
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:04,960
study through the official plan work.

2182
02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:08,000
So how rather than losing this thought

2183
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,840
here,

2184
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,160
what would you suggest that councelor

2185
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:14,080
Matt is waiting to speak now, but what

2186
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:16,880
would you suggest be done so that we can

2187
02:22:16,880 --> 02:22:19,120
accommodate this

2188
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:22,960
in future so it doesn't get lost

2189
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:24,160
through you madame mayor? My

2190
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:27,040
recommendation would be to separate this

2191
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:29,040
out from the secondary plan decision

2192
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:32,640
that you're making and to um return it

2193
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:34,560
immediately following perhaps to your

2194
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:38,640
discretion as a staff direction to

2195
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:41,200
undertake a fuse shed study relative to

2196
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,439
this point through the official plan

2197
02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:45,680
work.

2198
02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:47,200
>> Councelor Medic, did you want to speak?

2199
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:48,160
And is that

2200
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,840
>> Thank you, Mayor Dan. I did have a

2201
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:51,520
couple of questions which I'll just ask

2202
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:53,600
all at one and thank you very much Bren

2203
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:56,319
this has been very informative. Um my

2204
02:22:56,319 --> 02:22:59,280
question is in terms of a timeline like

2205
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,680
um like how long will a lot of that work

2206
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:04,319
take? And my other question with all due

2207
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:07,120
respect is if an application is filed,

2208
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:09,359
you know, like this week or next week,

2209
02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:11,359
what kind of mechanisms are there to

2210
02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:14,080
have this be part of that process? And

2211
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:15,520
I'm asking that question for the

2212
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,520
residents, right? Because they're

2213
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,439
already aware of Ridgeo Forward, how

2214
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:22,240
we're moving ahead with that, right? And

2215
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:24,399
um you know if we see the corner

2216
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:26,960
developed at some point it still might

2217
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:29,520
be a long way off but if something if an

2218
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,520
application comes sooner than later what

2219
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:33,359
kind of mechanisms are there in place

2220
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:34,720
because I don't want this thought to be

2221
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:36,319
lost right

2222
02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:37,840
>> through you madame mayor I certainly

2223
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:40,479
appreciate that concern what I will say

2224
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:43,439
is the language as it's been presented

2225
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:46,160
itself presents a concept but not an

2226
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:48,560
instruction. So it doesn't give us

2227
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:50,720
sufficient teeth to enforce anything

2228
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:53,439
anyways even if we are to implement it

2229
02:23:53,439 --> 02:23:56,640
as a modification to the official plan.

2230
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:59,600
In order to secure that viewshed that

2231
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:02,160
detailed work needs to have occurred. So

2232
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:03,840
between now and that detailed work

2233
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:06,560
occurring there there is that

2234
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:08,880
incremental risk.

2235
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:11,359
Again though, I'll say I'm not expecting

2236
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:14,080
the entire corridor to be covered in

2237
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:17,280
cranes uh the moment this policy becomes

2238
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:20,240
implemented. And so I think perhaps

2239
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:22,880
there's a risk that one or maybe two

2240
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:24,960
tall buildings get put in place, but not

2241
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:27,439
that the entire important viewshed be

2242
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:30,870
compromised.

2243
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:33,359
So, councelor meter, are you all right

2244
02:24:33,359 --> 02:24:35,840
if we take all of this and make this as

2245
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:38,319
a staff direction tonight to go forward

2246
02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:40,399
and then we can pass the Hler road thing

2247
02:24:40,399 --> 02:24:41,520
tonight?

2248
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,000
>> Thank you, Mayor Daniel. I am generally

2249
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,160
supportive of the Hesper Road secondary

2250
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:48,479
plan and I do want it to continue.

2251
02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:51,280
However, I want some kind of a public

2252
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:53,840
record in place that the developers

2253
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:56,000
understand as well that if somebody

2254
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,000
tries to develop that corner, they know

2255
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,399
the intention. So, I don't know if we

2256
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:02,800
could maybe refer this part of it and

2257
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:05,120
wait till a certain date in the future

2258
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,920
or whatever we have to do, but um I

2259
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,520
think developers need to know that this

2260
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:11,359
is an important view of the community. I

2261
02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:13,040
don't want to be scrambling afterwards

2262
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:15,280
because I've seen that happen quite a

2263
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,040
few times like over the years. Right.

2264
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:18,640
But that's what I'm saying. If we can

2265
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,960
direct staff tonight

2266
02:25:20,960 --> 02:25:21,200
>> um

2267
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:24,800
>> to take this away and work on that and

2268
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:26,080
then we can go forward with the

2269
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:28,560
secondary plan tonight

2270
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:30,000
>> because that's how it could be done.

2271
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:32,880
Accommodate what you're asking for

2272
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:34,399
>> because you may lose this. I'm just

2273
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:36,319
saying you may lose this tonight.

2274
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:38,399
>> Well, I I'm willing to vote for it and I

2275
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:40,319
can always bring it back. So maybe I'll

2276
02:25:40,319 --> 02:25:42,000
leave it on the table if it gets voted

2277
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,560
down then it can come back again at a

2278
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:46,960
future. Sagada Parkway didn't pass

2279
02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:49,760
overnight. So, um, we'll see.

2280
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:52,240
>> Okay. Councelor Hamilton.

2281
02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:53,600
>> Thank you, Mayor Le. May I just make a

2282
02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:56,000
comment on the amendment? Quick comment.

2283
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,280
>> Yes, you can. And then I'm calling for

2284
02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:57,920
the vote.

2285
02:25:57,920 --> 02:25:59,600
>> Sure. Um, I want to thank councelor Meta

2286
02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:00,800
for bringing it forward, but ultimately

2287
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:02,160
I can't accept it. I think what we're

2288
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:04,479
hearing from staff is that the Hesplur

2289
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:07,280
Road um plan is quite thorough. it's

2290
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:09,439
quite detailed and if we start choosing

2291
02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:11,600
our own unique elements or perspectives

2292
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:15,200
to carve out of that general framework

2293
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:17,359
um we risk shattering the underlying

2294
02:26:17,359 --> 02:26:18,640
unity of what seems to be a very

2295
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:20,960
thorough and detailed plan. uh otherwise

2296
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:22,640
it's death by a thousand paper cuts. And

2297
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:24,479
so I appreciate your sentiment, but it

2298
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:25,840
seems like staff already have what

2299
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:27,439
councelor Hermeta wants in this motion

2300
02:26:27,439 --> 02:26:29,359
covered that it would come to council.

2301
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:31,359
And so rather than breaking it up into

2302
02:26:31,359 --> 02:26:33,040
every single one of our unique

2303
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:35,359
viewpoints and perspectives, I think the

2304
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:37,359
general standpoint that we start of

2305
02:26:37,359 --> 02:26:38,880
start with as a city and move forward

2306
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:40,399
with I think it's quite strong as it is.

2307
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:41,840
So I can't support the amendment.

2308
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,479
Thanks. [clears throat]

2309
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,960
>> Thank you. Um, I'm I am going to call

2310
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:49,359
the vote, but I am concerned about all

2311
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:51,439
of these amendments coming forward and

2312
02:26:51,439 --> 02:26:54,000
how disruptive this is to the secondary

2313
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:58,240
plan. Um, this is very easily done with

2314
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:01,280
the direction to council. Um, we need to

2315
02:27:01,280 --> 02:27:04,800
get on with the secondary plan. There's a lot of work that still has to

2316
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,319
be done. there's people who own

2317
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:08,080
properties who are waiting for us to

2318
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:10,479
make this decision and going forward

2319
02:27:10,479 --> 02:27:13,280
we're losing um every day we're losing

2320
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:16,160
the time to build more housing in it. So

2321
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:20,080
I'm calling a vote now on the amendment.

2322
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:27,110
>> Opening voting on the amendment.

2323
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:30,399
Closing voting

2324
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:33,840
that's defeated by a vote of 6 to three.

2325
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:35,600
The original main motion, Madame Mayor,

2326
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:37,120
is now on the floor and it um is

2327
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:40,160
unaltered from its original form.

2328
02:27:40,160 --> 02:28:00,150
>> Okay, we will call for that vote now.

2329
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:06,550
Opening voting.

2330
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:11,270
Closing voting.

2331
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:21,110
That carries by a vote of 8 to one.

2332
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:24,160
We're going to take a a recess for

2333
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:31,830
people to have a bi bio break

2334
02:28:31,840 --> 02:38:24,790
about 10 That's

2335
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:28,389
They're ready.

2336
02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:30,640
The final report for consideration

2337
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:32,479
before we move on to other business is

2338
02:38:32,479 --> 02:38:34,240
26-01

2339
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:37,040
IFS Bernett Avenue sanitary sewer and

2340
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:40,000
manhole reconfiguration.

2341
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:42,160
uh Yoga Shaw the general manager of

2342
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:44,080
infrastructure services will introduce

2343
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:48,950
this report to us.

2344
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:51,920
» Um this project and the report in front

2345
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:53,840
of you today is uh seeking additional

2346
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:59,200
funding amount um of 35,15

2347
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:01,120
as outlined within this report from the

2348
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:04,000
wastewater capital reserve fund. The

2349
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:06,560
primary driver for this project is due

2350
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:09,520
to ongoing sewer backups into residents

2351
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:11,840
home which requires weekly sewer

2352
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:14,240
monitoring by the operations team. The

2353
02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:16,080
project will redirect wastewater flows

2354
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:18,000
to prevent wastewater backups within the

2355
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:21,040
system and eliminate ongoing operational

2356
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:27,830
maintenance and mitigate risk.

2357
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:30,399
» Okay. Does council have any questions be

2358
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:33,359
of Mr. Y Mr. Shaw before the motion goes

2359
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:36,000
on the floor.

2360
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:37,680
Okay. So, councelor Meta, you have the

2361
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:42,230
motion.

2362
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:44,319
» Mayor Jen, will may the clerk read the

2363
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:50,710
motion? Thank you.

2364
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:52,960
» So, the motion is moved by councelor

2365
02:39:52,960 --> 02:39:54,240
Hermeta and seconded by councelor

2366
02:39:54,240 --> 02:39:56,240
Ernshaw. Um the recommendation is to

2367
02:39:56,240 --> 02:40:00,309
award the work under A/01748-40

2368
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:02,240
Bernett Avenue sanitary sewer and

2369
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,640
manhole reconfiguration contract to SUSA

2370
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:08,399
concrete in the amount of uh $150,000

2371
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:11,439
300 $150,322.50

2372
02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:14,240
and 50 cents plus HST and approve

2373
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:15,920
additional project funding for capital

2374
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:19,429
project A/01748-40

2375
02:40:19,439 --> 02:40:21,920
Bett Avenue sanitary sewer and manhole

2376
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:23,760
reconfiguration project in the amount of

2377
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:26,240
$35,15

2378
02:40:26,240 --> 02:40:27,920
as outlined within this report from the

2379
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:32,000
Wastewater Capital Reserve Fund.

2380
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:34,080
>> Now that it's on the floor, does council

2381
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:36,319
have any questions,

2382
02:40:36,319 --> 02:40:38,240
any comments?

2383
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:40,720
Okay, we'll put that motion uh to the

2384
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:42,560
vote.

2385
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:55,990
Opening voting.

2386
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,720
Closing voting.

2387
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:02,000
That carries by vote of nine to zero.

2388
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:04,080
>> We will now proceed to other business.

2389
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:06,000
Does any member have any items to bring

2390
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:07,680
forward?

2391
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:17,190
Councelor Roberts.

2392
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:18,960
There we go. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Um,

2393
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:20,640
and through you. Yeah. I just want to

2394
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:23,120
mention the fact that the Willard Park

2395
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:25,680
um playground reconstruction is done and

2396
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:29,359
it's a fantastic new playground space in

2397
02:41:29,359 --> 02:41:32,560
uh Ward 5. Um, and it's just so

2398
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:33,680
beautiful. I've spent a lot of time

2399
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:35,280
there in the last few weeks and it's

2400
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:37,600
full of kids, full of energy. I've heard

2401
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:39,520
from so many residents reaching out that

2402
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:41,600
they're just so happy and the inclusive

2403
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:43,760
nature of it means that kids of all

2404
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:46,800
abilities um and moms too can get on,

2405
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,600
dads can get on and off um and play with

2406
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:51,920
their children and um yeah, it's just a

2407
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:54,000
really welcome improvement to Willard

2408
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:55,200
Park. So, I want to thank staff for

2409
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:57,040
their really hard work on it. It's uh

2410
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:58,800
it's a fantastic space. So, I welcome

2411
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:00,560
everyone to come over to Ward 5 and

2412
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:02,160
check out the Willard Park playground.

2413
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:03,200
Thank you.

2414
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:05,520
>> Thanks for that. That's a great update

2415
02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:07,600
to a capital project. Thanks for that

2416
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:09,840
information. Somebody else just took

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02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:11,600
Councelor Meta, did you have another

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02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:12,880
business as well?

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02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:14,640
>> Thank you, Mayor Jen. Yes, I do.

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02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:16,960
Construction is complete at the Lion's

2421
02:42:16,960 --> 02:42:20,080
Caname Park on the new forest themed

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02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:22,640
spray pad featuring accessible waterplay

2423
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:25,920
pathways, shade, seating, and hillside.

2424
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,319
There are also some specifically sorry

2425
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:31,520
specific furniture places sorry pieces

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02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:33,760
arriving over the next two months but we

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02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:35,600
are excited to have this brand new spray

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02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:38,319
pad open for the public to enjoy and I

2429
02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:40,080
just want to commend staff thank them

2430
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:42,720
for their hard work. I often wonder how

2431
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,439
we um you know have such fantastic fac

2432
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:49,359
sorry such fantastic facilities for the

2433
02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:51,280
amount of money that we spend on them. I

2434
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:53,600
think they do a phenomenal job and you

2435
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:55,280
know quite often I often think how are

2436
02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:56,560
we going to keep the neighborhood happy

2437
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:58,479
but I've had a lot of great feedback

2438
02:42:58,479 --> 02:43:00,240
with what happened there and I want

2439
02:43:00,240 --> 02:43:03,840
staff to be aware of that.

2440
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:06,880
>> Thank you both of you. Um so this

2441
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:08,640
evening we will be considering five

2442
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:10,560
motions. Four of which had notice

2443
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:12,720
provided at the July 21st council

2444
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:15,120
meeting. And we have one motion tonight

2445
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:16,800
from councelor Shwer and three from

2446
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:18,399
councelor Meta. And there will be a

2447
02:43:18,399 --> 02:43:20,640
final motion presented for myself which

2448
02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:22,399
will require that we first pass the

2449
02:43:22,399 --> 02:43:26,160
motion to suspend the rules. So as a

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02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:28,000
reminder again [clears throat] I ask

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02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:30,720
council to be brief with comments and

2452
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:32,160
questions to ensure that we can get

2453
02:43:32,160 --> 02:43:33,680
through all of the business on tonight's

2454
02:43:33,680 --> 02:43:35,680
agenda. Council Schwear, you have the

2455
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:37,520
first motion regarding reducing costs

2456
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:39,359
and delays in development approvals to

2457
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:41,200
support housing affordability. Can you

2458
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:51,030
please read your motion?

2459
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:54,160
» Thank you, U. Mayor Leot. And if I could

2460
02:43:54,160 --> 02:43:55,680
share the reading with Councelor

2461
02:43:55,680 --> 02:44:02,550
Kempson. It's a pretty long motion.

2462
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:04,080
Thank you.

2463
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:05,920
uh moved by myself, seconded by

2464
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:09,040
councelor Kimson. Whereas residents are

2465
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:12,240
facing financial pressure as the cost of

2466
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:14,640
living continues to rise, including

2467
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:17,200
housing, food, utilities, fuel, and

2468
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:20,000
other essential expenses. And whereas

2469
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:22,479
municipal budgets must prioritize

2470
02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:25,120
efficiency, accountability, and the

2471
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:28,000
responsible use of taxpayer dollars. And

2472
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:30,800
whereas development applications require

2473
02:44:30,800 --> 02:44:33,600
extensive technical studies and reports

2474
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:36,160
prepared, certified and stamped by

2475
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:38,640
qualified licensed professionals who are

2476
02:44:38,640 --> 02:44:40,880
subject to professional standards,

2477
02:44:40,880 --> 02:44:43,439
ethical obligations, liability

2478
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:46,560
requirements, and regulatory oversight.

2479
02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:50,000
And whereas delay delays multiple review

2480
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:52,560
cycles, additional studies, consultant

2481
02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:54,560
reviews, and prolonged approval

2482
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:57,200
timelines can increase development costs

2483
02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:59,129
that may ultimately be reflected

2484
02:44:59,129 --> 02:44:59,680
[clears throat]

2485
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:01,920
in housing prices and affordability

2486
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:03,439
challenges.

2487
02:45:03,439 --> 02:45:05,680
And whereas council has a responsibility

2488
02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:08,080
to ensure development approval processes

2489
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:10,720
are transparent, efficient, accountable,

2490
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:12,880
and evidence-based while maintaining

2491
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:14,640
appropriate safeguards for public

2492
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:17,279
safety, public health safety,

2493
02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:19,439
environmental protection, and compliance

2494
02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:21,920
with applicable legislation. And whereas

2495
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:24,160
objective performance measures and

2496
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:26,479
benchmarking are necessary to identify

2497
02:45:26,479 --> 02:45:28,800
opportunities for continuous improvement

2498
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:32,479
in the development approvals process.

2499
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:35,600
Therefore, be it resolved um that staff

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02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:37,680
direct the council direct staff to

2501
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:40,640
expand quarterly current quarterly

2502
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:42,479
report on development activity to

2503
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:44,880
include development approval performance

2504
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:47,680
metrics including development approval

2505
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:49,760
timelines. The average review and

2506
02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:51,840
approval timelines for the official plan

2507
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:54,479
amendments, zoning bylaw amendments, job

2508
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:56,560
plans of subdivision site plan

2509
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:00,160
applications and consent applications.

2510
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:03,520
the res views cycles and completeness

2511
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:05,920
and report on the frequency and nature

2512
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:08,160
of requests for additional information

2513
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:10,560
after applications have been deemed

2514
02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:12,319
complete. The average number of

2515
02:46:12,319 --> 02:46:14,960
resubmissions required per application

2516
02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:17,920
and the principal causes of delays

2517
02:46:17,920 --> 02:46:20,479
identifying delays attributable to

2518
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:22,479
applicants, municipal departments,

2519
02:46:22,479 --> 02:46:25,439
external agency agencies, council

2520
02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:28,240
decision on other factors where

2521
02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:30,880
reasonably available and be of further

2522
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:33,439
resolve that staff prepare a report in

2523
02:46:33,439 --> 02:46:38,240
Q4 on of 2026 on continuous improvement

2524
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:40,399
initiatives

2525
02:46:40,399 --> 02:46:42,240
outlining Complete continuous

2526
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:44,640
improvement initiatives undertaken to

2527
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:46,240
improve the planning application

2528
02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:50,160
process. Measurable outcomes achieved

2529
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:52,640
to date.

2530
02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:55,040
Current initiatives underway and future

2531
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:57,200
initiatives to improve efficiency,

2532
02:46:57,200 --> 02:46:59,680
transparency, and delivery costs.

2533
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:01,600
Operating costs outlining the total

2534
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:03,840
annual cost of development review

2535
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:06,399
functions including internal staffing,

2536
02:47:06,399 --> 02:47:08,640
external consulting services, peer

2537
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:11,359
reviews, legal review costs and

2538
02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:13,359
recoveries obtained through development

2539
02:47:13,359 --> 02:47:16,560
application fees. the extent and cost of

2540
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:18,720
additional studies, peer reviews, and

2541
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:20,960
independent consultant reviews

2542
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:23,680
commissioned by the city.

2543
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:25,760
An estimated financial impacts

2544
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:28,720
associated with extended approval times,

2545
02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:30,640
including the effect of carrying costs

2546
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:32,880
and financial costs on residential

2547
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:34,720
development properties where such

2548
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:40,230
estimates can be reasonably made.

2549
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:42,080
And be it further resolved that staff

2550
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:44,160
prepare a capital project as part of the

2551
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:47,279
draft 2027 budget to complete a service

2552
02:47:47,279 --> 02:47:49,200
review of the planning process that

2553
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:51,520
would include a review of the previous

2554
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:54,160
five years outlining the number of city

2555
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:56,479
commissioned peer reviews. The total

2556
02:47:56,479 --> 02:47:58,720
cost of such peer reviews, the subject

2557
02:47:58,720 --> 02:48:01,200
matter of each peer review, whether each

2558
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:03,200
peer review resulted in a material

2559
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,439
change to the proposed development.

2560
02:48:05,439 --> 02:48:06,960
Material change shall mean a

2561
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:08,960
modification to a proposed development,

2562
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:11,040
engineering design, environmental

2563
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:12,800
mitigation measure, infrastructure

2564
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:14,800
requirement, or planning rationale

2565
02:48:14,800 --> 02:48:16,640
resulting directly from peerreview

2566
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:19,200
findings and the rationale for requiring

2567
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:20,960
additional studies, peer reviews or

2568
02:48:20,960 --> 02:48:23,439
independent consultant reports.

2569
02:48:23,439 --> 02:48:25,279
opportunities to further enhance

2570
02:48:25,279 --> 02:48:27,200
efficiency while maintaining appropriate

2571
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:29,600
safeguards for public health safety,

2572
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,040
environmental protection, and

2573
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:34,080
legislation compliance, including

2574
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:36,319
reliance on certified and sealed reports

2575
02:48:36,319 --> 02:48:38,080
prepared by appropriately licensed

2576
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:40,160
professionals eliminating internal

2577
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:42,479
review, opportunities to improve

2578
02:48:42,479 --> 02:48:44,800
interdep departmental coordination, and

2579
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:46,640
cost impacts to differing service

2580
02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:49,120
standards and performance targets. And

2581
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:50,880
be it further resolved that the service

2582
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:53,120
review establish measurable performance

2583
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:55,120
benchmarks and that staff report

2584
02:48:55,120 --> 02:48:57,520
annually on development approval

2585
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:00,160
timelines, review cycle performance,

2586
02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:02,479
peer review utilization, surface

2587
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:04,640
standard compliance and continuous

2588
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:07,200
improvement outcomes. benchmark

2589
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:09,200
Cambridge's development approval

2590
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:11,520
performance against comparable Ontario

2591
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:13,920
municipalities where this information is

2592
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:16,720
publicly available including Kitchener,

2593
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:20,000
Waterlue, Woolwitch, G, Milton,

2594
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:23,600
Burlington, Oakville, Georgetown, Bmpton

2595
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:25,840
and any other municipality staff deem

2596
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:28,160
appropriate and be it further resolved

2597
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:30,479
that staff undertake a project specific

2598
02:49:30,479 --> 02:49:32,640
review of major growth areas and

2599
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:34,560
development projects including

2600
02:49:34,560 --> 02:49:36,960
Rivermill, Cambridge West, Moffett

2601
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:39,600
Creek, North Cambridge East Side Lands

2602
02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:41,760
north of Middleock Road, Northwest

2603
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:44,240
Hespler Area Community, Main Street

2604
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:46,640
East, corridor developments, and such

2605
02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:49,040
review shall include where available,

2606
02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:51,600
date of initial application submission,

2607
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:53,200
date the application was deemed

2608
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:55,600
complete, number of review cycles and

2609
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:58,319
resubmissions, number, purpose and cost

2610
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:00,560
of peer reviews, external consultant and

2611
02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:03,200
thirdparty review costs, total elapse

2612
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:05,120
time from application submission to

2613
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:07,920
approval, significant sources of delay

2614
02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:09,760
and comparison with similar developments

2615
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:12,240
in comparable municipalities. And

2616
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:14,160
finally, be it resolved that staff

2617
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:18,160
report back to council in Q2 of 2027 on

2618
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:20,800
the outcome of the service review. The

2619
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:24,469
end.

2620
02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:26,880
Wow, that's a mouthful.

2621
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:30,550
Um,

2622
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:33,760
does anybody have any questions before I

2623
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:35,359
bring staff into this? Councelor

2624
02:50:35,359 --> 02:50:37,520
Roberts.

2625
02:50:37,520 --> 02:50:39,680
>> Yeah, thanks, Mayor Jen. I guess I'm

2626
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:40,800
going to need staff to answer it

2627
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:42,479
anyways. Is this this is I mean, it took

2628
02:50:42,479 --> 02:50:43,760
us 10 minutes to read it. Is this

2629
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:46,399
possible for staff to do this work,

2630
02:50:46,399 --> 02:50:48,720
especially some of the tight timelines I

2631
02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:51,760
see in there? Um, in addition to the the

2632
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:54,319
workload they already have.

2633
02:50:54,319 --> 02:50:57,600
>> So, Brenn, can I just say something

2634
02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:00,880
to just No, stay stay up there. I guess

2635
02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:04,080
my concern is the Q4 for 2026 when we've

2636
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:05,279
got the election in there and

2637
02:51:05,279 --> 02:51:06,880
everybody's working on the budget at

2638
02:51:06,880 --> 02:51:10,240
this point in time. Uh to so to add to

2639
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:12,399
councelor Robert's question, I don't see

2640
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:15,200
that as viable to be able to be done. So

2641
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:16,960
can you speak to that when you speak to

2642
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:21,030
hers

2643
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,439
through you madam mayor? A number of the

2644
02:51:23,439 --> 02:51:25,920
mechanisms within this can be folded

2645
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,240
into our regular quarterly reporting as

2646
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:31,200
is with information that is readily

2647
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:33,279
available and we'll do a little bit of

2648
02:51:33,279 --> 02:51:35,760
different configuring within our regular

2649
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:39,279
quarterly reporting and then the matters

2650
02:51:39,279 --> 02:51:41,520
that require additional work I believe

2651
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:44,240
are are addressed through the capital

2652
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:48,309
project planning aspects.

2653
02:51:48,319 --> 02:51:50,160
» So sorry just to follow up. So it is

2654
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:53,200
feasible. Staff can handle this as it's

2655
02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:55,359
written.

2656
02:51:55,359 --> 02:51:57,680
>> I'm confident through you, mayor, that

2657
02:51:57,680 --> 02:51:59,920
we can address those quarterly pieces

2658
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:02,319
and and certainly if we find that there

2659
02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:04,800
are barriers, I'll report back on that

2660
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:08,080
to council and express when we will be

2661
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:09,760
able to address that going forward.

2662
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:10,640
>> Okay, perfect. Thank you.

2663
02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:13,200
>> So, I'm going to have Mr. Axia clarify

2664
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:14,319
that.

2665
02:52:14,319 --> 02:52:16,399
>> Thank you. And through you, mayor. Um

2666
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:18,160
and just because we are going into this

2667
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:20,319
election period and think about it

2668
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:22,240
through the timing process when when we

2669
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:25,040
go into elections end of October the

2670
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:27,200
first month of November there's a ton of

2671
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:29,439
work that happens in that period of time

2672
02:52:29,439 --> 02:52:30,960
uh significant amount of work in terms

2673
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:33,040
of council orientation we head quickly

2674
02:52:33,040 --> 02:52:35,200
into the budget process to report

2675
02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:38,399
something back in Q4 uh in terms of an

2676
02:52:38,399 --> 02:52:41,359
actual report will be a difficult task

2677
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:43,359
to the degree that it's been outlined in

2678
02:52:43,359 --> 02:52:45,920
this particular report. So yes, we do

2679
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:48,160
quarterly reports. We can do our best to

2680
02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:50,399
try to weave a few things into that.

2681
02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:52,319
Will we be able to accomplish all that's

2682
02:52:52,319 --> 02:52:54,080
set out in this particular motion?

2683
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:56,560
Absolutely not. Uh in the in the fourth

2684
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:59,520
quarter of 2026 because again we're

2685
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:00,880
going into the election then quickly

2686
02:53:00,880 --> 02:53:04,000
into budget.

2687
02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:05,760
>> Councelor Ernaw.

2688
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:07,520
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Liot. do have a

2689
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:11,040
question uh uh with respect to the

2690
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,359
portion of the motion under the heading

2691
02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:15,040
opportunities to further enhance

2692
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:16,960
efficiency while maintaining appropriate

2693
02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:19,600
safeguards. The first bullet point there

2694
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:22,560
says reliance on certified and sealed

2695
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:25,120
reports prepared by appropriately

2696
02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:27,439
licensed professionals eliminating

2697
02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:30,880
internal review. That sounds to me like

2698
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:34,319
there would be no opportunity for our

2699
02:53:34,319 --> 02:53:35,840
staff

2700
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:38,240
uh to under any circumstances seek a

2701
02:53:38,240 --> 02:53:41,040
peer review. Uh we would be forced to

2702
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:44,479
rely on the uh reports that had been

2703
02:53:44,479 --> 02:53:47,600
provided by the developer only. And

2704
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:50,880
while in many many many cases that would

2705
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:52,640
be fine, there are going to be some

2706
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:54,560
cases where those reports are of

2707
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:58,000
questionable validity. And I don't see a

2708
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:01,359
discretion here to permit um in

2709
02:54:01,359 --> 02:54:03,279
extraordinary circumstances the uh

2710
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:04,960
request for a peer review. And I'm just

2711
02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:07,040
wondering if that was intentional, if

2712
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:08,800
I've understood it correctly, or if

2713
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:13,990
there's an explanation. Thanks.

2714
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:16,000
» So, Mr. Axia,

2715
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:17,439
>> that's the council to answer.

2716
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:19,600
>> Oh, okay. Counselors, do you want to

2717
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:29,349
respond to that, please?

2718
02:54:29,359 --> 02:54:30,720
Councelor Schwar, can you respond to

2719
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:31,279
that, please?

2720
02:54:31,279 --> 02:54:34,160
>> Yes, thank you. So, in this it's it does

2721
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:37,520
say um while maintaining appropriate

2722
02:54:37,520 --> 02:54:40,479
safeguards for public safety, uh public

2723
02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:42,800
health safety, environmental protection,

2724
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:47,110
and legislative compliance.

2725
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:49,359
» I don't with respect that doesn't answer

2726
02:54:49,359 --> 02:54:53,510
my question.

2727
02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:55,840
I'm I'm not sure. So, can you see your

2728
02:54:55,840 --> 02:54:58,080
question again, councelor?

2729
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:01,279
>> Yes, thank you. The bullet point says

2730
02:55:01,279 --> 02:55:03,200
that there will be reliance on certified

2731
02:55:03,200 --> 02:55:05,439
and sealed reports prepared by

2732
02:55:05,439 --> 02:55:07,279
appropriately licensed professionals and

2733
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:09,680
I understand that to mean professionals

2734
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:12,560
that are uh engaged by the developer

2735
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:14,880
who's making the application. And then

2736
02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:18,240
it says eliminating internal review,

2737
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:20,720
which to me says that we our staff has

2738
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:23,760
no opportunity to question the veracity

2739
02:55:23,760 --> 02:55:25,359
of the report with which they're

2740
02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:27,439
presented. It has to be accepted at face

2741
02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:29,840
value, even if it's inadequate in some

2742
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:42,309
way. That's my question.

2743
02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:44,640
Um thank you Mayor Le and thanks for

2744
02:55:44,640 --> 02:55:47,040
your question. So for me what I mean

2745
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:50,960
about that um when there is for example

2746
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:53,840
there's uh there's consultants that we

2747
02:55:53,840 --> 02:55:57,520
get and the uh developer has has prepaid

2748
02:55:57,520 --> 02:56:00,000
for a consultant and has given the

2749
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:04,000
information to the staff. um the staff

2750
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:10,640
instead of having duplicate reviews or duplicate um duplicate studies they

2751
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:13,600
should be relying on the study that is

2752
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:15,840
before them and and that was the whole

2753
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:18,880
point even the Melissa Derell was saying

2754
02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:21,120
is you know we shouldn't be having

2755
02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:24,080
duplicate studies if a study was done by

2756
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:31,910
a licensed professional

2757
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:33,279
do you want Want to follow up with that?

2758
02:56:33,279 --> 02:56:37,110
Councelor Ernshaw?

2759
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:38,640
» It wouldn't be a question so much as a

2760
02:56:38,640 --> 02:56:43,190
comment. I think that's dangerous.

2761
02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:46,640
» Yes, I do too. Councelor Cooper,

2762
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:48,080
>> I'm I'm going to wait for comments. Mind

2763
02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:50,960
to comment if we're done with questions.

2764
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:53,600
>> Councelor Kimson

2765
02:56:53,600 --> 02:57:00,309
>> already approved this.

2766
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:01,920
Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And for

2767
02:57:01,920 --> 02:57:06,800
you, um I'm wondering if perhaps um

2768
02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:09,520
there would be there would be um the

2769
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:14,080
opportunity to perhaps um

2770
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:16,880
to ch change the specific wording, for

2771
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:19,840
example. Um because I certainly think

2772
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:21,920
that the intent was that not that it was

2773
02:57:21,920 --> 02:57:24,800
an all or nothing, but in many in many

2774
02:57:24,800 --> 02:57:26,880
cases when something when something

2775
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:29,120
comes through and it has a an engineer

2776
02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:31,040
stamp for example, it has an

2777
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:33,600
architecture stamp, an architect stamp

2778
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:36,399
for example, um in in those situations

2779
02:57:36,399 --> 02:57:37,920
where you have the appropriately

2780
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:40,800
licensed individual using their their

2781
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:44,960
seal, their technical report, um

2782
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:47,279
we shouldn't necessarily automatically

2783
02:57:47,279 --> 02:57:49,520
default default to the requirement for

2784
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:52,160
review, but whether or not there is a

2785
02:57:52,160 --> 02:57:54,960
way that we can

2786
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:57,120
decrease the amount of time I guess

2787
02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:58,319
would be there. So, I don't know if

2788
02:57:58,319 --> 02:58:00,560
eliminating is necessarily the word and

2789
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:02,080
perhaps that's a little too strong, but

2790
02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:03,840
I'm wondering if that's something where

2791
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:07,840
we could um rework the intent if that

2792
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:10,000
would make um councelor Ernshaw feel

2793
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:12,160
better.

2794
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:14,399
Um,

2795
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:16,640
following up on that same thing, when I

2796
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:18,880
see Reliance and certified and sealed

2797
02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:21,680
reports, what do you mean by sealed?

2798
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:23,520
Like so that nobody gets to see them,

2799
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,120
the public doesn't get to see them. What

2800
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:26,160
do you mean by that?

2801
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:27,600
>> So the idea is when someone would use

2802
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:29,680
their seal or their stamp.

2803
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:31,120
>> Okay. Because the wording sounds like

2804
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:33,279
it's an NDA or something here,

2805
02:58:33,279 --> 02:58:35,120
>> right? So I I Yes. I guess the idea

2806
02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:36,720
would be like the certified like the

2807
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:39,680
stamped or so that it's it's by an

2808
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:42,640
individual who has the appropriate

2809
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:45,200
license through their through their

2810
02:58:45,200 --> 02:58:47,840
college, their trade, um their their

2811
02:58:47,840 --> 02:58:49,840
professional designation. So essentially

2812
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:52,560
by putting it forward under their name,

2813
02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:54,880
they're they're putting their their

2814
02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:56,399
livelihood, they're putting their stamp

2815
02:58:56,399 --> 02:58:59,279
on it, per se. and you you would you

2816
02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:02,000
would like to think that that um that is

2817
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:03,760
coming forward in such in such a way

2818
02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:06,880
that it has a um a level of validity to

2819
02:59:06,880 --> 02:59:09,990
it.

2820
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,680
» Are there any other questions before we

2821
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:16,319
go to comments? Councelor Roberts.

2822
02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:17,840
>> Yeah, thank you, Mayor Jan. And I I

2823
02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:19,200
guess this question is for maybe

2824
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:21,120
councelor, but would the the two

2825
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:22,080
councilors that are bringing this

2826
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:25,040
forward be willing to adjust that Q4

2827
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:28,080
timeline to

2828
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:30,960
next year potentially just given what's

2829
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:33,520
going on with the election and what um

2830
02:59:33,520 --> 02:59:35,439
city manager Axia had spoken about in

2831
02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:38,560
terms of the impact on staff over the

2832
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:39,760
next few months with budget and

2833
02:59:39,760 --> 02:59:41,040
everything.

2834
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:44,160
Well, in addition to that, there may be

2835
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:46,560
new counselors around this horseshoe

2836
02:59:46,560 --> 02:59:48,800
>> who will have no idea what this is

2837
02:59:48,800 --> 02:59:51,439
about. They've had no onboarding, no no

2838
02:59:51,439 --> 02:59:53,600
workshops, nothing in order to

2839
02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:55,600
comprehend what this is even about. And

2840
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:57,279
I think that's very unfair to be

2841
02:59:57,279 --> 02:59:59,120
bringing forward to a new council as

2842
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:01,279
well. That would be my comment here.

2843
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:02,880
Council Schwar.

2844
03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:04,960
>> Um, thank you. Yeah, I'd like to respond

2845
03:00:04,960 --> 03:00:08,240
to that. Um I did um speak with staff

2846
03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:10,319
like we've been instructed prior to

2847
03:00:10,319 --> 03:00:13,279
bringing this motion forward and the

2848
03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:15,680
dates were provided by them with that

2849
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:18,800
they felt comfortable. Um I don't work

2850
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:20,800
in that department obviously I don't

2851
03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:23,359
know their workload but the dates were

2852
03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:26,640
because of what was felt and I I believe

2853
03:00:26,640 --> 03:00:29,200
Miss Neely said that for them it's just

2854
03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:32,880
a matter of this ad adjusting um some

2855
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:35,920
figures or um so it would be something

2856
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:39,520
that they could easily do and that's why

2857
03:00:39,520 --> 03:00:43,520
this those dates were brought.

2858
03:00:43,520 --> 03:00:48,000
However, if u Mr. Bramberg um disagrees.

2859
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:51,040
It's his department. So,

2860
03:00:51,040 --> 03:00:53,359
>> well, as the city manager said, those

2861
03:00:53,359 --> 03:00:56,319
dates are not not can't be accommodated.

2862
03:00:56,319 --> 03:00:58,160
Councelor Cooper,

2863
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:00,720
>> are we on comments now?

2864
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:03,439
>> Okay. Thank you. Um

2865
03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:05,439
I'm I'm I'm very I'm very concerned

2866
03:01:05,439 --> 03:01:07,600
about this. I understand the spirit of

2867
03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:09,840
this. Um it's nice. Obviously, we want

2868
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:13,040
to find um we want to find efficiencies.

2869
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:15,040
We want to speed things up, but I'm I'm

2870
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:17,279
very concerned about the actual the

2871
03:01:17,279 --> 03:01:20,960
depth, the volume of this. Um when our

2872
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:22,880
frankly our staff are already incredibly

2873
03:01:22,880 --> 03:01:24,479
busy. If I was staff right now, I'd be

2874
03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:26,560
cringing at looking at at what is being

2875
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:28,319
asked right now. I feel there's

2876
03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:30,800
definitely an element of um unfairly

2877
03:01:30,800 --> 03:01:33,439
questioning staff to an excessive level.

2878
03:01:33,439 --> 03:01:36,080
And obviously they need accountability.

2879
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:42,240
Um, but I feel I I just feel this is an overreach. Um, to the point

2880
03:01:42,240 --> 03:01:47,200
it's almost offensive to staff when we hire quality staff and we trust them

2881
03:01:47,200 --> 03:01:49,359
to do a good job and I feel like they're

2882
03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:50,319
not going to be spending their time

2883
03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:51,439
doing their job. They're going to be

2884
03:01:51,439 --> 03:01:53,520
spending defending spending time writing

2885
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:55,279
a pause defending what they've done for

2886
03:01:55,279 --> 03:01:58,399
the past four years. Um, and that's why

2887
03:01:58,399 --> 03:02:00,240
I'm very con I'm very concerned about

2888
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:02,319
that. It's um I feel this is just too

2889
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:05,359
much. Um, again, nothing wrong with

2890
03:02:05,359 --> 03:02:07,279
finding efficiencies. I think this goes

2891
03:02:07,279 --> 03:02:08,800
way too far to the point of being

2892
03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:10,399
offensive to staff. That's just my

2893
03:02:10,399 --> 03:02:11,920
opinion. Thank you,

2894
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:15,200
>> Councelor Kimson.

2895
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:18,399
>> Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And um I

2896
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:19,920
guess I just would like to get some

2897
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:21,920
clarification on a comment that you made

2898
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:25,920
about um bringing this motion in today

2899
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:29,439
and how um as as this is towards the end

2900
03:02:29,439 --> 03:02:32,319
of this term, how the next council there

2901
03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:33,840
may be different people here and they

2902
03:02:33,840 --> 03:02:36,479
may not wish to follow it. Um however,

2903
03:02:36,479 --> 03:02:38,240
we're here today and we have this motion

2904
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:40,640
and others before us. So does that I'm

2905
03:02:40,640 --> 03:02:42,880
not sure how that what you mean by that

2906
03:02:42,880 --> 03:02:44,399
because we are the sitting council of

2907
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:47,600
the day and we are in the position where

2908
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:50,560
if we choose we can approve or not

2909
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:53,680
approve a motion before us and that is

2910
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:56,080
something where um you know come

2911
03:02:56,080 --> 03:02:58,080
November December if there's others they

2912
03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:00,560
wish to change it they can but for now

2913
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:03,439
we have we have the ability to do that

2914
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:04,640
am I correct

2915
03:03:04,640 --> 03:03:07,120
>> no that's not what I said what I said is

2916
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:08,880
new counselors would not be able to

2917
03:03:08,880 --> 03:03:12,080
understand any reports coming forward,

2918
03:03:12,080 --> 03:03:14,560
accept them or re rework them or

2919
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,399
anything because they won't have any

2920
03:03:16,399 --> 03:03:17,920
comprehension of what they're even

2921
03:03:17,920 --> 03:03:24,479
about. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying what you had said.

2922
03:03:24,479 --> 03:03:27,200
So, I I realize this council has this

2923
03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:29,600
option here tonight.

2924
03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:32,880
I'm saying that you've put dates in here

2925
03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:36,399
that are unachievable according to to um

2926
03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:39,040
first off by the city manager, but also

2927
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,359
I don't I don't think that that next

2928
03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:43,439
coun the timing is here for the next

2929
03:03:43,439 --> 03:03:45,920
council to be able to work with whatever

2930
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:48,640
information comes forward. That's all.

2931
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:51,359
Uh if I may follow up, I certainly I I

2932
03:03:51,359 --> 03:03:53,600
wouldn't be opposed to um adjusting the

2933
03:03:53,600 --> 03:04:00,000
dates per um city manager Axia um given that he is familiar with the

2934
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:02,080
workflow and that what staff are working

2935
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:04,240
on at this time and if that's something

2936
03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:05,840
that we need to do and that would also

2937
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:08,720
allow for additional time for um

2938
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:10,960
whatever whoever is here as far as

2939
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:12,640
council goes to become more familiar

2940
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:14,240
with it. I think that's a reasonable

2941
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:19,910
compromise.

2942
03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:22,000
Thank you and through through you chair.

2943
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:25,680
Um the dates is one aspect of this and I

2944
03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:26,880
will build a bit on what councelor

2945
03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:29,600
Cooper had had mentioned as well is that

2946
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:31,279
this is really diving deep into the

2947
03:04:31,279 --> 03:04:33,760
operations and the technical

2948
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:36,080
requirements that staff professional

2949
03:04:36,080 --> 03:04:41,279
staff um are required to do. and it is

2950
03:04:41,279 --> 03:04:43,760
beginning to have uh elected officials

2951
03:04:43,760 --> 03:04:46,000
at the policy and governance level come

2952
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:48,800
directly into the operation to a very uh

2953
03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:50,960
deep extent. So that is that is a

2954
03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:54,960
concerning line uh that it's not that we

2955
03:04:54,960 --> 03:04:56,560
don't want to have efficiencies. I do

2956
03:04:56,560 --> 03:04:57,760
think we we all need to have

2957
03:04:57,760 --> 03:05:00,880
efficiencies um but it is inviting too

2958
03:05:00,880 --> 03:05:04,800
much uh technical expertise that staff

2959
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:07,520
have that council is now diving too far

2960
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:10,399
into the operation. So I do caution that

2961
03:05:10,399 --> 03:05:14,160
as well. Uh and do encourage council to

2962
03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:15,840
uh consider staying at the policy and

2963
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:18,880
governance level.

2964
03:05:18,880 --> 03:05:21,920
>> Councelor Hamilton.

2965
03:05:21,920 --> 03:05:23,760
>> Thank you, Mayor Le and through you. Um

2966
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:25,600
and I think council's probably unified

2967
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:27,359
when we say we all want to reduce costs

2968
03:05:27,359 --> 03:05:29,040
and delays in development approvals to

2969
03:05:29,040 --> 03:05:30,720
support housing affordability. I think

2970
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:34,160
we're all on the same boat there. Um,

2971
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:36,479
but I think if the goal is, of course,

2972
03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:38,000
we want to reduce costs and delays in

2973
03:05:38,000 --> 03:05:39,520
planning. We know the time is money, we

2974
03:05:39,520 --> 03:05:41,279
all want more clarity, done. I think

2975
03:05:41,279 --> 03:05:42,960
we're all in agreement there. But I

2976
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:44,319
think my challenge is with this, and I

2977
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:45,600
think we're all dancing around it, is

2978
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:48,479
that this does dive pretty deep into

2979
03:05:48,479 --> 03:05:51,520
city processes um asking for quarterly

2980
03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:53,840
reports, another report in Q4, a new

2981
03:05:53,840 --> 03:05:56,160
capital project. Um, and of course, as

2982
03:05:56,160 --> 03:05:59,760
councelor um, uh, Ernshaw pointed out

2983
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:02,720
the question around peer review. um not

2984
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:04,240
necessarily do we need peer reviews all

2985
03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:05,920
the time but what safety mechanism would

2986
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,319
we have should we decide hey the

2987
03:06:08,319 --> 03:06:09,680
veracity of this report should be

2988
03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:12,240
questioned should we get a peer review

2989
03:06:12,240 --> 03:06:15,600
um so I think we all agree the spirit is

2990
03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:17,920
strong but the flesh on this one might

2991
03:06:17,920 --> 03:06:20,080
be a little weak so might I suggest to

2992
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:23,279
the two movers to maybe bring this back

2993
03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:26,319
possibly at the September 15th meeting

2994
03:06:26,319 --> 03:06:28,160
maybe diving a little less deep skimming

2995
03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:29,600
a little bit more on the surface working

2996
03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:31,200
a bit more with staff in terms of the

2997
03:06:31,200 --> 03:06:32,640
timelines not diving into the

2998
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,279
operational components of the the city.

2999
03:06:35,279 --> 03:06:37,439
Um, and that might make this a little

3000
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:39,120
bit more tangible and digestible for

3001
03:06:39,120 --> 03:06:40,479
this council or whomever sits around

3002
03:06:40,479 --> 03:06:43,760
this horseshoe uh during the first term

3003
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:46,160
of 2027 cuz I'm not sure if I can

3004
03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:49,279
support it in this form because it is it

3005
03:06:49,279 --> 03:06:52,319
is pretty intense. Um, but I understand

3006
03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:54,160
the impetus behind it and I understand

3007
03:06:54,160 --> 03:06:56,240
the need for this clarity like that much

3008
03:06:56,240 --> 03:06:57,600
is not lost on me. So, I'm just

3009
03:06:57,600 --> 03:06:58,880
wondering if if the mover and the

3010
03:06:58,880 --> 03:07:00,319
secondary would consider that, bring it

3011
03:07:00,319 --> 03:07:03,200
back with a little bit less oomph that's

3012
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:04,240
more digestible.

3013
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:06,640
>> Are you asking for a deferral?

3014
03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:09,920
>> Uh, if in the deferral some work on this

3015
03:07:09,920 --> 03:07:13,120
could be done, sure. But if if there's

3016
03:07:13,120 --> 03:07:14,399
if the mover and the second aren't

3017
03:07:14,399 --> 03:07:16,080
willing to alter the motion, then there

3018
03:07:16,080 --> 03:07:18,319
would be no point of the deferral.

3019
03:07:18,319 --> 03:07:19,760
>> You know what I mean?

3020
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:22,399
>> No. No. They they have that opportunity

3021
03:07:22,399 --> 03:07:24,160
to work. You're asking to work on it.

3022
03:07:24,160 --> 03:07:25,600
So, you're asking for a deferral till

3023
03:07:25,600 --> 03:07:27,279
then? I would ask for a deferral in that

3024
03:07:27,279 --> 03:07:27,680
case. Yes.

3025
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:29,680
>> Okay. Do you have a seconder?

3026
03:07:29,680 --> 03:07:31,359
Councelor Earshaw.

3027
03:07:31,359 --> 03:07:43,910
>> Okay. We will vote on the deferral.

3028
03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:51,429
» Opening voting.

3029
03:07:51,439 --> 03:07:53,680
Closing voting.

3030
03:07:53,680 --> 03:08:08,150
That carries unanimously.

3031
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:10,080
Councelor Meta now has the second motion

3032
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:12,000
to present tonight regarding Greenfisted

3033
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:13,680
Drive and Essex Point Drive. I

3034
03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:15,840
understand you have res revised wording

3035
03:08:15,840 --> 03:08:17,359
for this motion that was published on

3036
03:08:17,359 --> 03:08:19,040
the addendum.

3037
03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:21,359
Um we will ask if there are any

3038
03:08:21,359 --> 03:08:22,960
objections from council to put forward

3039
03:08:22,960 --> 03:08:25,200
the motion as revised. And is there a

3040
03:08:25,200 --> 03:08:27,200
seconder for this motion?

3041
03:08:27,200 --> 03:08:29,120
>> Thank you, Mayor Jen. Yes, there is. It

3042
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:31,680
is moved by myself, seconded by

3043
03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:33,680
councelor Sherryi. And you are right.

3044
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:36,560
The word has changed. The recommendation

3045
03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:39,040
is whereas the residential area near

3046
03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:40,560
Green Vista Drive.

3047
03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:42,560
>> Can you start over please?

3048
03:08:42,560 --> 03:08:45,920
>> Yeah. Um the motion is moved by myself,

3049
03:08:45,920 --> 03:08:48,800
seconded by councelor Sheri

3050
03:08:48,800 --> 03:08:51,120
and the recommendation is whereas the

3051
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:53,840
residential area near Green Vista Drive

3052
03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:56,000
and Essex Point Drive has experienced

3053
03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:58,560
significant growth and is home to a

3054
03:08:58,560 --> 03:09:00,160
large and growing number of young

3055
03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:02,479
families. And whereas the recently

3056
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:05,439
approved city of Cambridge parks master

3057
03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:08,560
plan identifies a specific area north of

3058
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:11,120
Green Vista Drive as having a lower

3059
03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:13,680
parkland provision service level and

3060
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:15,840
prioritizes it for future park

3061
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:18,000
amenities. And whereas there is a

3062
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:20,800
pressing need for local accessible and

3063
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:23,040
active recreational facilities for

3064
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:25,359
children, youth, and families in this

3065
03:09:25,359 --> 03:09:27,680
specific neighborhood. And whereas

3066
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:30,960
design work on capital projects

3067
03:09:30,960 --> 03:09:35,190
A01463-40

3068
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:37,520
park development sagena subdivision has

3069
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:40,960
commenced that city staff be directed to

3070
03:09:40,960 --> 03:09:44,080
explore the potential for installing

3071
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:46,000
park features that may include a

3072
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:49,840
playground shade structure seating andor

3073
03:09:49,840 --> 03:09:52,640
outdoor courts and the Essex Point and

3074
03:09:52,640 --> 03:09:55,359
Green Vista Drive trail head parks. and

3075
03:09:55,359 --> 03:09:58,560
that staff conduct consultation with the

3076
03:09:58,560 --> 03:10:01,200
community residents both online and in

3077
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:03,200
person. And I would like to speak to the

3078
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:09,190
motion, please.

3079
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:11,439
So, you jumped in before we got the

3080
03:10:11,439 --> 03:10:13,600
approval of council for the revised mo

3081
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:15,520
motion. So, can I just have a hands up?

3082
03:10:15,520 --> 03:10:17,120
Is everybody okay with the revised

3083
03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:20,150
motion?

3084
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:24,000
Hands up if you're approved. Okay. Okay.

3085
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:29,190
Guess council have any questions on this

3086
03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:34,070
council. Is that for this?

3087
03:10:34,080 --> 03:10:36,160
Council Roberts.

3088
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:37,920
Thank you, Mayor Jan, and through you.

3089
03:10:37,920 --> 03:10:39,359
Um, I just have a question for staff.

3090
03:10:39,359 --> 03:10:41,760
So, it says here that design work has

3091
03:10:41,760 --> 03:10:44,240
commenced. Um, so would this be the

3092
03:10:44,240 --> 03:10:46,640
appropriate time for this motion to come

3093
03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:48,080
forward? It kind of reminds me of one

3094
03:10:48,080 --> 03:10:50,880
that we saw around budget time. So, I

3095
03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:52,160
wasn't sure if it was something that

3096
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:54,160
should be would be more appropriately

3097
03:10:54,160 --> 03:10:56,720
brought up at budget time or since the

3098
03:10:56,720 --> 03:10:59,040
project is underway, does it make sense

3099
03:10:59,040 --> 03:11:01,200
for this to be discussed and brought

3100
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:03,760
forward now?

3101
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:06,080
>> So, it's important for council to note

3102
03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:08,240
at this point in time that this is an

3103
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:11,200
approved 2024 capital project in place

3104
03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:13,680
for Green Vista and Essex Point Drive

3105
03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:16,560
and it is scheduled to start in 2027.

3106
03:11:16,560 --> 03:11:18,399
Motion in front of council direct staff

3107
03:11:18,399 --> 03:11:20,720
to explore certain park amenities during

3108
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,880
the project and it directs staff to

3109
03:11:22,880 --> 03:11:25,120
conduct consultation with community

3110
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:27,279
residents as part of the project's

3111
03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:29,520
scope. And Alex, I see you're trying to

3112
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:32,560
get up here to speak to this. No.

3113
03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:34,960
Yes, you are. I want to hear from you. I

3114
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:35,600
want to hear from you.

3115
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:37,359
>> True you, Madam Mayor. You answered that

3116
03:11:37,359 --> 03:11:40,399
question, so I don't I didn't need to.

3117
03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:41,279
Thanks.

3118
03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:43,279
>> Sorry. Just to follow up. So, the answer

3119
03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:45,279
is this is already happening. we don't

3120
03:11:45,279 --> 03:11:46,960
need to be bringing this motion forward.

3121
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:49,439
Is that what the answer is?

3122
03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:51,200
>> Correct. This is an approved capital

3123
03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:53,600
project from 2024 and we are assuming

3124
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:55,200
the lands and so the project is

3125
03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:57,439
scheduled to start in 2027

3126
03:11:57,439 --> 03:11:58,960
>> including public consultation.

3127
03:11:58,960 --> 03:11:59,520
>> That's right.

3128
03:11:59,520 --> 03:12:00,160
>> Thank you.

3129
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:02,080
>> Yep.

3130
03:12:02,080 --> 03:12:02,960
>> Thank you.

3131
03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:05,120
>> Do you want to withdraw this motion?

3132
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:06,960
>> Thank you.

3133
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:08,800
>> Want to proceed to keep the ball rolling

3134
03:12:08,800 --> 03:12:11,040
and to to symbolize to the community

3135
03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:13,439
that it is happening. I've been having a

3136
03:12:13,439 --> 03:12:15,279
lot of questions from people just asking

3137
03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:18,319
about the delays of that corner and this

3138
03:12:18,319 --> 03:12:20,960
just lets them know that the momentum is

3139
03:12:20,960 --> 03:12:24,720
carrying on and also the public will

3140
03:12:24,720 --> 03:12:26,880
have some feedback that they want to be

3141
03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:28,880
able to you know to raise the issues

3142
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:31,439
that they want to see like for example

3143
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:33,040
whether they want to have basketball

3144
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:35,279
instead of a shade structure or if

3145
03:12:35,279 --> 03:12:37,359
they're fine with a shade structure and

3146
03:12:37,359 --> 03:12:38,960
certainly they want to have a playground

3147
03:12:38,960 --> 03:12:41,680
as well. So this is in my view it's just

3148
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:44,080
more routine just to um signal to the

3149
03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:46,880
community that things are happening and

3150
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:48,319
to continue to consult with the

3151
03:12:48,319 --> 03:13:31,349
residents.

3152
03:13:31,359 --> 03:13:32,640
I'm trying to figure out how to deal

3153
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:34,399
with this, Nick, because this this

3154
03:13:34,399 --> 03:13:37,439
motion is like it's already being done.

3155
03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:40,080
It's like we're redoing the same work

3156
03:13:40,080 --> 03:13:41,840
all over again and you're asking staff

3157
03:13:41,840 --> 03:13:44,479
to redo the same work. So, just trying

3158
03:13:44,479 --> 03:13:46,960
to figure out how to deal with this.

3159
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:48,880
>> Thank you for letting me

3160
03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:52,560
>> Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. We heard you.

3161
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:54,160
Councelor Kimson, while we're trying to

3162
03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:55,680
figure this out, did you have a

3163
03:13:55,680 --> 03:13:56,720
question?

3164
03:13:56,720 --> 03:13:59,600
>> Um, I'll I'll wait for you to try and

3165
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:01,680
figure things out.

3166
03:14:01,680 --> 03:14:03,279
>> I don't know if I'm going to get to that

3167
03:14:03,279 --> 03:14:09,190
point.

3168
03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:10,399
» Councelor Divine, do you have a

3169
03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:10,880
question?

3170
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:12,319
>> Like two minutes.

3171
03:14:12,319 --> 03:14:16,479
>> Well, question or comment. Um, I don't

3172
03:14:16,479 --> 03:14:18,640
understand why it's here. I think we I

3173
03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:21,040
would ask councelor M to withdraw it if

3174
03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:23,040
this is being done and it's already

3175
03:14:23,040 --> 03:14:26,479
being done. I we're flogging a dead

3176
03:14:26,479 --> 03:14:28,319
horse.

3177
03:14:28,319 --> 03:14:31,040
I I and be quite honest with you, if it

3178
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:33,120
comes to a vote, I'll vote against it

3179
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:38,150
because it doesn't need to be here.

3180
03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:39,760
» Do you want to call a point of order on

3181
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:40,560
this?

3182
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:42,960
>> I can. Sure. Call point of order. Sure.

3183
03:14:42,960 --> 03:14:43,520
>> Okay.

3184
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:46,960
>> You happy to do that? Okay. I I I don't

3185
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:48,239
think it should be here or it's being

3186
03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:50,319
done. The city staff have worked on

3187
03:14:50,319 --> 03:14:54,000
this. They've consulted and

3188
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:56,960
I I don't think it should be. I really

3189
03:14:56,960 --> 03:14:58,319
don't. Sorry.

3190
03:14:58,319 --> 03:15:00,880
>> Okay. I approve your point of order.

3191
03:15:00,880 --> 03:15:02,399
Motion's off the floor.

3192
03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:14,870
>> Thank you.

3193
03:15:14,880 --> 03:15:18,229
Councelor

3194
03:15:18,239 --> 03:15:20,720
Meta, your next motion is on park

3195
03:15:20,720 --> 03:15:22,560
amenities for Green Vista Drive and

3196
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:25,359
Essex Point Drive. Can you please put

3197
03:15:25,359 --> 03:15:26,720
your motion on the floor? And who is

3198
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:27,840
your seconder?

3199
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:29,520
>> Thank you, Mayor Jane. We just dealt

3200
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:31,439
with that. This is the next one's on the

3201
03:15:31,439 --> 03:15:35,269
density transfer.

3202
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:37,359
» Okay, so it's two different motions. So

3203
03:15:37,359 --> 03:15:40,800
you both of them are

3204
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:45,120
>> Oh, I didn't know that was

3205
03:15:45,120 --> 03:15:46,560
to this one.

3206
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:49,200
>> Oops, sorry. That's that was me. Sorry.

3207
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:51,520
Apologize for that. The investigation of

3208
03:15:51,520 --> 03:15:53,439
the density transfer. So, who's your

3209
03:15:53,439 --> 03:15:54,399
seconder?

3210
03:15:54,399 --> 03:15:56,239
>> Thank you, Mayor Jan. Councelor Cooper

3211
03:15:56,239 --> 03:15:59,990
would be the seconder.

3212
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:02,800
» Okay. So the the whereas the city of

3213
03:16:02,800 --> 03:16:05,359
Cambridge continually needs to review

3214
03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:07,920
additional proactive planning tools to

3215
03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:10,640
manage sorry significant growth while

3216
03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:13,040
protecting its very unique character.

3217
03:16:13,040 --> 03:16:14,960
And whereas transfer of development

3218
03:16:14,960 --> 03:16:18,880
rights TDRs can preserve sensitive lands

3219
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:20,720
and heritage areas while directing

3220
03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:23,760
density to more appropriate corridors.

3221
03:16:23,760 --> 03:16:25,840
And whereas such frameworks can balance

3222
03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:27,680
intensification with [snorts]

3223
03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:30,160
neighborhood character. And whereas the

3224
03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:34,319
2026 the 2030 council will require

3225
03:16:34,319 --> 03:16:36,319
additional planning options to guide

3226
03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:38,720
future growth. Now therefore be it

3227
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:41,520
resolved that council direct staff to

3228
03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:44,239
research transfer of development right

3229
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:47,920
TDR policies across Canada and report

3230
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:50,479
back to the new council by the end of

3231
03:16:50,479 --> 03:16:54,160
2027 with options and best practices for

3232
03:16:54,160 --> 03:16:56,160
consideration.

3233
03:16:56,160 --> 03:16:58,239
Now I would like to speak to it.

3234
03:16:58,239 --> 03:17:00,800
>> Okay. Okay. Are there any questions?

3235
03:17:00,800 --> 03:17:05,190
Councilor Roberts.

3236
03:17:05,200 --> 03:17:06,960
» Thank you, Mayor Jan. And through you,

3237
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:10,239
um, isn't this pretty much the like what

3238
03:17:10,239 --> 03:17:11,840
we just did, the Hustler road secondary

3239
03:17:11,840 --> 03:17:14,160
plan, like we were already ensuring that

3240
03:17:14,160 --> 03:17:16,319
intens like the density is going in the

3241
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:17,760
places where it needs to go. And this

3242
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:20,479
sounds like it might just be moving

3243
03:17:20,479 --> 03:17:23,840
things around in places or am I

3244
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:26,479
understanding it incorrectly?

3245
03:17:26,479 --> 03:17:27,040
Um

3246
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:29,279
>> to me like a secondary plan is

3247
03:17:29,279 --> 03:17:30,640
>> the tool around this right

3248
03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:32,160
>> I think he's talking about through the

3249
03:17:32,160 --> 03:17:35,520
whole city so right yes correct um

3250
03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:38,399
>> thank you mayor J

3251
03:17:38,399 --> 03:17:39,279
comment now

3252
03:17:39,279 --> 03:17:41,279
>> this would be comprehensive across the

3253
03:17:41,279 --> 03:17:44,080
entire city and it's also a separate

3254
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:48,469
policy as well

3255
03:17:48,479 --> 03:17:50,319
» do you want to speak more to that or do

3256
03:17:50,319 --> 03:17:51,680
you want to do you have a followup

3257
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:54,479
councelor Roberts

3258
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:56,560
>> I do yeah thank you Sorry. Go ahead. No,

3259
03:17:56,560 --> 03:17:56,880
go ahead.

3260
03:17:56,880 --> 03:17:58,479
>> Um,

3261
03:17:58,479 --> 03:17:59,840
>> I just really don't understand how this

3262
03:17:59,840 --> 03:18:01,760
would work. So, if someone owns a piece

3263
03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:05,040
of land and they apply for

3264
03:18:05,040 --> 03:18:07,840
a development application, um, we can

3265
03:18:07,840 --> 03:18:09,920
just say no, you have to move and buy

3266
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:11,840
land somewhere else like I don't really

3267
03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:14,399
understand logistically. Is someone able

3268
03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:18,239
to speak to the logistics of how TDRs

3269
03:18:18,239 --> 03:18:20,880
work? And

3270
03:18:20,880 --> 03:18:23,920
before we look at digging deeper into

3271
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:25,439
it,

3272
03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:28,160
Um I think think councelor meta can

3273
03:18:28,160 --> 03:18:29,520
speak to that but I think he's just

3274
03:18:29,520 --> 03:18:31,680
asking for us to research the policies

3275
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:33,760
that are out there not to do do anything

3276
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:35,359
with them just come back with a report

3277
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:37,359
on all what policies are available

3278
03:18:37,359 --> 03:18:39,040
councelor am I correct

3279
03:18:39,040 --> 03:18:42,319
>> council may this is just to research the

3280
03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:44,960
policy but I think I would like to speak

3281
03:18:44,960 --> 03:18:46,880
to it and that might answer some of the

3282
03:18:46,880 --> 03:18:49,200
questions and if council has more

3283
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:51,279
questions then we could dive into that

3284
03:18:51,279 --> 03:18:52,399
then

3285
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:54,160
>> if you're okay with that or I can

3286
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:56,080
>> I And we're going to go to the questions

3287
03:18:56,080 --> 03:18:58,239
just for procedural reasons and then

3288
03:18:58,239 --> 03:19:00,800
maybe if you if you want to hold if they

3289
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:03,600
have questions that relate to you can

3290
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:05,920
answer them all at the same time. Is

3291
03:19:05,920 --> 03:19:06,720
that okay?

3292
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:07,359
>> Okay.

3293
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:09,760
Councelor Hamilton.

3294
03:19:09,760 --> 03:19:11,840
>> Uh thank you Mayor Leon for you. Um this

3295
03:19:11,840 --> 03:19:13,680
is new to me like the idea of dividing

3296
03:19:13,680 --> 03:19:15,040
up density of let's say something like a

3297
03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:16,880
farmland and selling off pieces like

3298
03:19:16,880 --> 03:19:18,800
credits to try to earn density in other

3299
03:19:18,800 --> 03:19:21,439
areas. Uh, I don't want to be that guy

3300
03:19:21,439 --> 03:19:23,120
always deferring motions tonight, but

3301
03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:24,960
maybe a deferral on the floor so council

3302
03:19:24,960 --> 03:19:26,640
can actually understand what TDs are,

3303
03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:28,720
where they've been used, the pros and

3304
03:19:28,720 --> 03:19:30,720
cons, whether or not we need them in

3305
03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:32,560
this type of a municipality, whether or

3306
03:19:32,560 --> 03:19:34,479
not they're more suited for rural or

3307
03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:36,160
urban. I just don't know what they are.

3308
03:19:36,160 --> 03:19:37,840
So, I don't know if I should tell staff

3309
03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:39,920
to, hey, go research these if ultimately

3310
03:19:39,920 --> 03:19:41,680
it won't be worth their best interest.

3311
03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:43,439
Or maybe staff can comment on if this

3312
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:45,600
will be ownorous or not.

3313
03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:47,439
>> Okay. So I should have gone to him for

3314
03:19:47,439 --> 03:19:48,800
the comment if you're putting a deferral

3315
03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:50,160
on the fair because the floor because

3316
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:53,200
that's not fair to the council withdraw

3317
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:55,200
your deferral while we go I am happy to

3318
03:19:55,200 --> 03:19:55,920
withdraw the

3319
03:19:55,920 --> 03:19:57,600
>> Okay. So let's go to councelor meta and

3320
03:19:57,600 --> 03:19:59,840
let him talk about this.

3321
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:01,920
>> Thank you mayor Jan very quickly before

3322
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:05,279
I say my um speech or can I just answer

3323
03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:07,600
the question briefly since councelor

3324
03:20:07,600 --> 03:20:10,239
Hamilton did ask a question. So there

3325
03:20:10,239 --> 03:20:11,760
are different ways to do this for

3326
03:20:11,760 --> 03:20:13,920
different reasons. Some municipalities

3327
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:16,720
do it to save heritage. So Vancouver

3328
03:20:16,720 --> 03:20:18,880
would be one such municipality. It is a

3329
03:20:18,880 --> 03:20:21,760
tool to save heritage because you know

3330
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:23,760
the high land values for example that's

3331
03:20:23,760 --> 03:20:26,160
a deterrent to heritage preservation. So

3332
03:20:26,160 --> 03:20:28,720
it's a market orientated solution to try

3333
03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:32,000
to address that. Other cities do it so

3334
03:20:32,000 --> 03:20:33,920
that you don't get a cannon effect down

3335
03:20:33,920 --> 03:20:35,760
one road that you get a like a variety

3336
03:20:35,760 --> 03:20:38,160
of heights so that maybe one building is

3337
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:40,160
four stories, the next one over might be

3338
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:42,640
15 story. But it's done in a way of

3339
03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:44,560
course where it all fits but it doesn't

3340
03:20:44,560 --> 03:20:46,720
have that wall down the street and

3341
03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:48,880
reduce street in Ottawa would be you

3342
03:20:48,880 --> 03:20:51,760
know an an example of of that approach.

3343
03:20:51,760 --> 03:20:55,040
So um I will get into my remarks um if

3344
03:20:55,040 --> 03:20:57,520
that's good with you mayor Jen. So we

3345
03:20:57,520 --> 03:20:59,680
are facing a defining moment in our

3346
03:20:59,680 --> 03:21:02,080
city's history. Growth pressures are

3347
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:04,800
accelerating across Ontario and like

3348
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:07,120
many municipalities, we are grappling

3349
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:09,279
with how to accommodate new housing and

3350
03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:12,000
density without losing the very unique

3351
03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:14,720
character, heritage and identity of our

3352
03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:17,040
neighborhoods. I first encountered the

3353
03:21:17,040 --> 03:21:18,960
mechanics of transfer of development

3354
03:21:18,960 --> 03:21:21,920
rights or density transfers at a

3355
03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:24,800
conference. I saw it not just as a

3356
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:27,920
theoretical academic co concept but also

3357
03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:30,880
a pragmatic marketdriven planning tool

3358
03:21:30,880 --> 03:21:33,520
that actively empower cities to manage

3359
03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:37,279
growth rather than merely react to it.

3360
03:21:37,279 --> 03:21:40,479
As reported in the water region record,

3361
03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:43,840
this tool allows density to be traded or

3362
03:21:43,840 --> 03:21:46,720
sold between property owners. It enables

3363
03:21:46,720 --> 03:21:50,000
a prop a project to exceed base density

3364
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:53,120
limits in designated appropriate areas

3365
03:21:53,120 --> 03:21:55,680
while actively safeguarding vulnerable

3366
03:21:55,680 --> 03:21:58,080
heritage or lowdensity neighborhoods

3367
03:21:58,080 --> 03:22:00,800
from outofscale development. Put simply,

3368
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:04,000
it is a smart mechanism to lift unwanted

3369
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:06,880
inappropriate density off a site that

3370
03:22:06,880 --> 03:22:08,880
cannot handle it whether due to

3371
03:22:08,880 --> 03:22:10,720
infrastructure limits, environmental

3372
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:14,000
sensitivities, heritage sensitivity, or

3373
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:16,160
neighborhood fabric. and it safely

3374
03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:18,560
transfers it to a location that is

3375
03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:20,800
optimized and zoned for that level of

3376
03:22:20,800 --> 03:22:23,680
growth. We need modern tools to match

3377
03:22:23,680 --> 03:22:26,640
modern challenges. Relying on a rigid

3378
03:22:26,640 --> 03:22:28,880
one-sizefits-all approach to infill

3379
03:22:28,880 --> 03:22:31,439
development creates unnecessary friction

3380
03:22:31,439 --> 03:22:33,359
between residents, council, and

3381
03:22:33,359 --> 03:22:36,000
developers. And by directing staff to

3382
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:37,520
research how other Canadian

3383
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:39,760
municipalities have successfully

3384
03:22:39,760 --> 03:22:41,920
implemented transfer of development

3385
03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:43,680
right policies, we are doing our due

3386
03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:46,479
diligence. We are asking staff to study

3387
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:49,359
options and best practices so that when

3388
03:22:49,359 --> 03:22:52,160
the new term of council arrives, it will

3389
03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:54,800
have a fully vetted homegrown toolkit

3390
03:22:54,800 --> 03:22:57,200
ready for deployment. And this is just

3391
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:59,680
another approach in the tool box or

3392
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:01,680
another tool in the toolbox. I know

3393
03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:03,520
we've already got great policies and

3394
03:23:03,520 --> 03:23:05,920
we're working on secondary plans and

3395
03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:07,439
things like that, but this is another

3396
03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:09,920
tool that we can have in addition to

3397
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:12,239
that. And I think the more the more

3398
03:23:12,239 --> 03:23:14,319
tools that we have, so to speak, you

3399
03:23:14,319 --> 03:23:16,000
know, the more we can respond to

3400
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:19,120
community concerns. So, I encourage you

3401
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:21,200
as my colleagues and friends to vote in

3402
03:23:21,200 --> 03:23:22,960
favor of this motion. Let's give our

3403
03:23:22,960 --> 03:23:24,960
city the foresight that it deserves, or

3404
03:23:24,960 --> 03:23:26,560
I should say, let's continue to give our

3405
03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:29,040
city the foresight it deserves. We can't

3406
03:23:29,040 --> 03:23:32,479
use 20th century zoning to solve 21st

3407
03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:34,880
century growth challenges. Density

3408
03:23:34,880 --> 03:23:37,040
transfers give us a market-driven way to

3409
03:23:37,040 --> 03:23:39,840
steer the growth to the right locations.

3410
03:23:39,840 --> 03:23:41,920
while protecting the unique identity of

3411
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:44,080
our established neighborhoods. And this

3412
03:23:44,080 --> 03:23:46,000
isn't about stopping growth. It's about

3413
03:23:46,000 --> 03:23:48,000
putting density where it actually

3414
03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:50,160
belongs. Let's make sure our city grows

3415
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:53,200
smart, not just fast. And I encourage

3416
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:55,200
you as my colleagues and friends to vote

3417
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:57,520
in favor of this motion. Let's continue

3418
03:23:57,520 --> 03:23:59,279
to give our city the foresight it

3419
03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:00,960
deserves. Thank you.

3420
03:24:00,960 --> 03:24:02,560
>> Thank you, Councelor Met. I actually

3421
03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:04,080
think it's a great motion, but I'm going

3422
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:06,880
to ask Mr. Axia to speak to this from

3423
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:08,880
the perspective of staff and as a

3424
03:24:08,880 --> 03:24:11,359
planning tool.

3425
03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:13,200
>> Thank you and through through you mayor.

3426
03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:15,359
So uh I I'll refer to the motion and and

3427
03:24:15,359 --> 03:24:16,880
thank you councelor for putting this one

3428
03:24:16,880 --> 03:24:19,520
on the floor. Um the the last part of it

3429
03:24:19,520 --> 03:24:22,000
in terms of now therefore be it resolved

3430
03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:24,560
council directs staff to research TDR

3431
03:24:24,560 --> 03:24:26,720
policies across Canada and report back

3432
03:24:26,720 --> 03:24:30,000
to to the new council by the end of 2027

3433
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:32,399
with options and be best practices for

3434
03:24:32,399 --> 03:24:34,640
consideration. So that's a that's a very

3435
03:24:34,640 --> 03:24:36,640
open-ended that's provides some research

3436
03:24:36,640 --> 03:24:38,720
to go do off go off staff and do some

3437
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:40,479
research come back with information for

3438
03:24:40,479 --> 03:24:42,399
council to consider. So it's a very

3439
03:24:42,399 --> 03:24:44,000
open-ended it gives us a lot of time to

3440
03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:46,000
do that information and then I still

3441
03:24:46,000 --> 03:24:47,760
think it allows council to have some

3442
03:24:47,760 --> 03:24:49,520
good dialogue and debate over the

3443
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:51,359
information that they receive. So from a

3444
03:24:51,359 --> 03:24:53,120
staff perspective uh we're more than

3445
03:24:53,120 --> 03:24:54,560
happy to proceed should council wish to

3446
03:24:54,560 --> 03:24:56,800
move forward.

3447
03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:59,920
>> Councelor Cooper. Uh yes, as a second I

3448
03:24:59,920 --> 03:25:01,600
don't necessarily have a a question or a

3449
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:03,520
comment just more something I suppose it

3450
03:25:03,520 --> 03:25:05,600
is a comment about why this why we're

3451
03:25:05,600 --> 03:25:08,319
doing this. Am I okay with that?

3452
03:25:08,319 --> 03:25:10,319
>> Yes. I'm not asking any question. I just

3453
03:25:10,319 --> 03:25:12,399
like to comment on why we Okay, thank

3454
03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:15,680
you. Um yes, this is um I've this is

3455
03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:17,359
actually quite new to me. I've been

3456
03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:18,960
looking into this though and it's it's

3457
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:24,560
um it's very interesting. It's this is a tool as council meta said that can um

3458
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:26,640
that can actually avoid um potentially

3459
03:25:26,640 --> 03:25:29,359
avoid us going to the OOLT. Um we get we

3460
03:25:29,359 --> 03:25:31,520
get a we get a development um that's

3461
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:32,640
proposed somewhere. This is just a

3462
03:25:32,640 --> 03:25:34,080
scenario. A development is proposed

3463
03:25:34,080 --> 03:25:36,080
somewhere and for whatever reason you

3464
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,160
know with her heritage or you know the

3465
03:25:38,160 --> 03:25:39,680
neighbors not into it. We want to bring

3466
03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:42,640
it down from 20 to 10 stories. Um it's

3467
03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:43,920
either yes or no. It goes off to the

3468
03:25:43,920 --> 03:25:45,760
OOLT. Well, in this case, um the

3469
03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:47,200
developer, we can have another option to

3470
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:48,960
go the developer with where they're

3471
03:25:48,960 --> 03:25:51,760
basically taking um their density as

3472
03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:53,920
credits and they can sell it to somebody

3473
03:25:53,920 --> 03:25:56,000
else, say over in the Hesper secondary

3474
03:25:56,000 --> 03:25:57,920
plan on Hesper Road for a much more

3475
03:25:57,920 --> 03:26:01,200
appropriate area. So, the initial um the

3476
03:26:01,200 --> 03:26:03,680
initial uh development that we want to

3477
03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:07,600
keep low for whatever reason stays low.

3478
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:09,359
The developers happy because they still

3479
03:26:09,359 --> 03:26:10,960
get the they still get money. They've

3480
03:26:10,960 --> 03:26:13,120
sold the value that was inherent in that

3481
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:15,200
height. it goes elsewhere to a more

3482
03:26:15,200 --> 03:26:17,359
appropriate area and it becomes it's a

3483
03:26:17,359 --> 03:26:20,080
situation that really um fosters a

3484
03:26:20,080 --> 03:26:22,640
win-win situation very potentially keep

3485
03:26:22,640 --> 03:26:25,200
us away from the OOLT um when you

3486
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:27,040
actually look into this this makes a lot

3487
03:26:27,040 --> 03:26:29,600
of sense and I don't see any negatives

3488
03:26:29,600 --> 03:26:31,680
to it doesn't mean we have to use it

3489
03:26:31,680 --> 03:26:33,680
anybody has to use it but it's there as

3490
03:26:33,680 --> 03:26:36,399
an option and I I urge all of you to

3491
03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:38,880
look into and I know staff will um will

3492
03:26:38,880 --> 03:26:40,319
come back with a good report on this but

3493
03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:44,479
it's I found it very interesting very Few negatives. Thank you.

3494
03:26:44,479 --> 03:26:46,000
>> For someone who said he didn't know much

3495
03:26:46,000 --> 03:26:48,239
about it, you seem to know more than you

3496
03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:52,080
could write the report yourself. I think

3497
03:26:52,080 --> 03:26:54,080
I Yeah. When I look at this, I think of

3498
03:26:54,080 --> 03:26:58,399
Grand A, you know, the the W five one

3499
03:26:58,399 --> 03:27:00,479
with the uh where we were looking for

3500
03:27:00,479 --> 03:27:02,640
the height reduction there. That that

3501
03:27:02,640 --> 03:27:04,479
probably would have solved that problem.

3502
03:27:04,479 --> 03:27:05,920
Councelor Meta,

3503
03:27:05,920 --> 03:27:08,319
>> you may jan through and I do appreciate

3504
03:27:08,319 --> 03:27:10,160
all the feedback and the questions. I

3505
03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:12,880
also want to emphasize that should this

3506
03:27:12,880 --> 03:27:15,520
policy pass at some point in the future

3507
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:18,160
it is a public process and if there are

3508
03:27:18,160 --> 03:27:20,399
those kind of tradeoffs that is a public

3509
03:27:20,399 --> 03:27:23,520
process and um some municipalities

3510
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:26,319
actually have what they call a density

3511
03:27:26,319 --> 03:27:29,439
register and or a density bank and I

3512
03:27:29,439 --> 03:27:31,520
mean it it's kind of strange it's it

3513
03:27:31,520 --> 03:27:33,920
could be complicated but it's very

3514
03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:36,640
practical it has been done and I don't

3515
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:38,479
claim to know all the answers that's why

3516
03:27:38,479 --> 03:27:40,560
I'm saying we need to get staff to

3517
03:27:40,560 --> 03:27:42,080
review this and come back with some

3518
03:27:42,080 --> 03:27:44,560
options. Thank you.

3519
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:47,279
>> Okay, I think it's a great motion. Um,

3520
03:27:47,279 --> 03:27:53,590
we're going to call for that vote now.

3521
03:27:53,600 --> 03:27:59,670
» Opening voting.

3522
03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:02,000
» Closing voting.

3523
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:05,279
That carries unanimously.

3524
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:07,359
So, moving on to councelor Meta's third

3525
03:28:07,359 --> 03:28:09,520
motion regarding community engagement

3526
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:11,359
expansion planning for Fiddlesticks

3527
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:12,640
Community Center and Parks and the

3528
03:28:12,640 --> 03:28:15,279
Fiddlesticks catchment area. I

3529
03:28:15,279 --> 03:28:16,800
understand you'd like to withdraw your

3530
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:19,040
originally worded motion regarding the

3531
03:28:19,040 --> 03:28:21,439
Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association to

3532
03:28:21,439 --> 03:28:23,760
replace it with the newly worded motion

3533
03:28:23,760 --> 03:28:26,160
as published on revised agenda today.

3534
03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:28,800
Are there any objections before I have

3535
03:28:28,800 --> 03:28:32,560
the clerk respond to anything here

3536
03:28:32,560 --> 03:28:36,399
to the um revised motion?

3537
03:28:36,399 --> 03:28:39,840
I see none. Okay. Um can I have the

3538
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:42,880
deputy? Sorry.

3539
03:28:42,880 --> 03:28:44,880
Oh. Oh, councelor Roberts.

3540
03:28:44,880 --> 03:28:47,680
>> Yeah, sorry. I don't see revisions like

3541
03:28:47,680 --> 03:28:49,040
would they be highlighted in this

3542
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:51,680
version or

3543
03:28:51,680 --> 03:28:52,640
>> Please.

3544
03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:54,640
>> Thank you and thank you, Madam Mayor. Um

3545
03:28:54,640 --> 03:28:56,399
due to the changes being a bit more

3546
03:28:56,399 --> 03:28:58,160
substantial than just minor like wording

3547
03:28:58,160 --> 03:29:00,640
revisions, we replaced it um entirely

3548
03:29:00,640 --> 03:29:04,399
with what the um new version looked like

3549
03:29:04,399 --> 03:29:07,200
on the revised agenda.

3550
03:29:07,200 --> 03:29:09,200
>> And sorry, was this given to us or this

3551
03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:10,800
was just what was on our desk like when

3552
03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:12,640
we came in?

3553
03:29:12,640 --> 03:29:14,399
>> No, I could speak to that as well. Um

3554
03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:17,439
but the revised agenda was published um

3555
03:29:17,439 --> 03:29:18,960
either today or yesterday with that

3556
03:29:18,960 --> 03:29:21,040
revised wording. That one was the one

3557
03:29:21,040 --> 03:29:22,560
from today.

3558
03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:24,960
>> Okay. But it wasn't it wasn't clear that

3559
03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:27,200
it was revised. Correct. Like

3560
03:29:27,200 --> 03:29:28,479
>> I didn't know it was revised till just

3561
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:29,520
the second.

3562
03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:31,840
>> Okay. So the deputy clerk is going to

3563
03:29:31,840 --> 03:29:32,800
speak to this.

3564
03:29:32,800 --> 03:29:35,120
>> Okay.

3565
03:29:35,120 --> 03:29:36,640
>> Thank you madame mayor and through you.

3566
03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:39,439
Um so the on the revised agenda it is

3567
03:29:39,439 --> 03:29:42,160
indicated that is it is a revised motion

3568
03:29:42,160 --> 03:29:46,000
um from councelor and that came from

3569
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:47,439
discussions with staff and that was

3570
03:29:47,439 --> 03:29:50,000
revised accordingly. Um I also the

3571
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:52,720
document that was in front of you is uh

3572
03:29:52,720 --> 03:29:54,479
late correspondence that was received

3573
03:29:54,479 --> 03:29:56,720
from the Fiddle 6 Community Center board

3574
03:29:56,720 --> 03:29:59,439
of directors. Um this will be included

3575
03:29:59,439 --> 03:30:00,960
in the minutes so that it is public

3576
03:30:00,960 --> 03:30:03,040
record and just wanted to indicate that

3577
03:30:03,040 --> 03:30:04,880
it was distributed to council but it'll

3578
03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:06,479
be included on the minutes. So that was

3579
03:30:06,479 --> 03:30:08,960
a document that you received um in front

3580
03:30:08,960 --> 03:30:11,120
of you. And then like I mentioned um on

3581
03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:12,720
the publication of the revised agenda

3582
03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:15,439
today was the revised wording um from

3583
03:30:15,439 --> 03:30:17,600
councelor Meta based on discussions with

3584
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:20,239
staff and he's presumably going to read

3585
03:30:20,239 --> 03:30:25,750
the revised wording.

3586
03:30:25,760 --> 03:30:27,359
» So councelor Mendo, do you have a

3587
03:30:27,359 --> 03:30:29,439
seconder for your revised motion?

3588
03:30:29,439 --> 03:30:32,960
>> Thank you, Mayor J.

3589
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:36,800
>> Yes, I do. Council Sheri,

3590
03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:38,560
thank you. So I am going to read this

3591
03:30:38,560 --> 03:30:41,359
motion and I would like to speak to it.

3592
03:30:41,359 --> 03:30:43,760
Um okay so where whereas residents of

3593
03:30:43,760 --> 03:30:45,760
the Fiddlesticks neighborhood have

3594
03:30:45,760 --> 03:30:48,080
expressed a strong desire for an

3595
03:30:48,080 --> 03:30:50,000
expansion of the Fiddlesticks Community

3596
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:52,880
Center to address growing programmatic

3597
03:30:52,880 --> 03:30:55,840
recreational and community needs. And

3598
03:30:55,840 --> 03:30:57,439
whereas the local neighborhood

3599
03:30:57,439 --> 03:31:00,000
association board has identified

3600
03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:02,800
operational design and or fiscal

3601
03:31:02,800 --> 03:31:04,640
considerations that require further

3602
03:31:04,640 --> 03:31:07,359
analysis and collaborative review before

3603
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:09,279
a capital funding commitment is

3604
03:31:09,279 --> 03:31:11,840
considered. And whereas it is the policy

3605
03:31:11,840 --> 03:31:14,479
of this council to ensure that major

3606
03:31:14,479 --> 03:31:16,800
neighborhood infrastructure investments

3607
03:31:16,800 --> 03:31:20,239
are guided by robust public input, staff

3608
03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:23,680
expertise, and consensus among community

3609
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:26,479
stakeholders. Whereas planning for

3610
03:31:26,479 --> 03:31:29,520
future capital budget cycles require

3611
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:33,439
timely data-driven reports to properly

3612
03:31:33,439 --> 03:31:35,760
evaluate and prioritize municipal

3613
03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:38,000
infrastructure funding requests.

3614
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:40,399
Therefore, be it resolved that city

3615
03:31:40,399 --> 03:31:43,279
council direct staff to initiate a

3616
03:31:43,279 --> 03:31:46,239
comprehensive community consultation and

3617
03:31:46,239 --> 03:31:49,439
stakeholder engagement process regarding

3618
03:31:49,439 --> 03:31:52,160
the potential expansion and facility

3619
03:31:52,160 --> 03:31:54,080
needs of the Fiddlesticks Community

3620
03:31:54,080 --> 03:31:56,960
Center as well as general park

3621
03:31:56,960 --> 03:31:59,760
recreational needs for the entire

3622
03:31:59,760 --> 03:32:02,319
Fiddlesticks catchment area and [snorts]

3623
03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:04,399
that staff be directed to invite

3624
03:32:04,399 --> 03:32:06,720
representatives from both the general

3625
03:32:06,720 --> 03:32:09,200
resident population of the Fiddlesticks

3626
03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:11,600
Catchman Area, the Fiddlesticks

3627
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:15,510
Neighborhood Association

3628
03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:18,399
Executive Director, and the Fiddlesticks

3629
03:32:18,399 --> 03:32:20,160
Neighborhood Association Board to

3630
03:32:20,160 --> 03:32:22,720
participate actively in this review

3631
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:25,680
process. And that staff submit a final

3632
03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:28,160
report to council outlining the

3633
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:31,120
community feedback, facility options,

3634
03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:34,000
other recreational opportunities, and

3635
03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:36,880
estimated financial impacts. no later

3636
03:32:36,880 --> 03:32:40,000
than the summer of 2028 to inform

3637
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:43,279
deliberations for the 2029 capital

3638
03:32:43,279 --> 03:32:45,920
budget. That was a typo at the very end

3639
03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:48,800
and I would like to speak to it and I

3640
03:32:48,800 --> 03:32:50,560
did make a promise to bring something

3641
03:32:50,560 --> 03:32:52,560
forward and that's that's the reason why

3642
03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:55,120
I'm doing it to keep my promise.

3643
03:32:55,120 --> 03:32:57,520
>> Councelor Hamilton.

3644
03:32:57,520 --> 03:32:59,040
>> Uh thank you mayor get through you. I

3645
03:32:59,040 --> 03:33:03,840
just have a question if that's okay. Um

3646
03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:06,160
okay, excellent. Um, I don't know if now

3647
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:08,319
is the time, but I noticed the board and

3648
03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:09,760
the executive director of Fiddlesticks

3649
03:33:09,760 --> 03:33:11,359
is here. Would they be able to come up

3650
03:33:11,359 --> 03:33:13,120
and comment on this motion? I know they

3651
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:15,120
have a dele they submitted

3652
03:33:15,120 --> 03:33:17,680
correspondence. Um, I'm just curious to

3653
03:33:17,680 --> 03:33:19,040
hear their thoughts on it because their

3654
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:20,399
correspondence doesn't seem to match

3655
03:33:20,399 --> 03:33:22,319
with council meta's account and

3656
03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:23,840
obviously if we're dealing with issues

3657
03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:26,399
pertaining to Fiddlesticks, it'd be good

3658
03:33:26,399 --> 03:33:28,800
to hear from Fiddlesticks. Um,

3659
03:33:28,800 --> 03:33:30,160
>> I asked them at the beginning of the

3660
03:33:30,160 --> 03:33:31,920
evening if they wanted to and they said

3661
03:33:31,920 --> 03:33:33,040
no.

3662
03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:34,960
>> So, okay. Yeah, I think they thought

3663
03:33:34,960 --> 03:33:37,600
that their letter was sufficient. Did

3664
03:33:37,600 --> 03:33:40,800
you want to speak?

3665
03:33:40,800 --> 03:33:48,950
>> Okay. Okay.

3666
03:33:48,960 --> 03:33:52,239
» So, I stood before council in 2002 and

3667
03:33:52,239 --> 03:33:53,200
>> please identify yourself.

3668
03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:55,680
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh Kim Fowler. I am the

3669
03:33:55,680 --> 03:33:57,200
executive director of the Fiddlesticks

3670
03:33:57,200 --> 03:34:00,319
Community Center. Uh so back in 2002 I

3671
03:34:00,319 --> 03:34:04,000
stood before council and uh was granted

3672
03:34:04,000 --> 03:34:06,479
or this community center was granted the

3673
03:34:06,479 --> 03:34:09,279
uh a trust fund and that trust the

3674
03:34:09,279 --> 03:34:11,359
purpose of that trust fund partially was

3675
03:34:11,359 --> 03:34:13,279
to save for this addition to the

3676
03:34:13,279 --> 03:34:15,840
community center. So there is nobody in

3677
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:18,000
this room that wants to see an addition

3678
03:34:18,000 --> 03:34:20,800
to this building more than myself and

3679
03:34:20,800 --> 03:34:23,359
the board chair and other board members.

3680
03:34:23,359 --> 03:34:26,880
However, this is not the time. There is

3681
03:34:26,880 --> 03:34:29,279
a lot going on in the community that is

3682
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:31,600
not generally public knowledge around

3683
03:34:31,600 --> 03:34:35,359
neighborhoods and there is concern that

3684
03:34:35,359 --> 03:34:37,200
this money will not be used. The money

3685
03:34:37,200 --> 03:34:39,439
that has been saved to the tune of $1.3

3686
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:42,239
million by the neighborhood would not

3687
03:34:42,239 --> 03:34:44,800
potentially be used in the way it is

3688
03:34:44,800 --> 03:34:47,359
intended. And until there are some

3689
03:34:47,359 --> 03:34:48,960
things that are sorted among the

3690
03:34:48,960 --> 03:34:52,239
neighborhood associations as well as the

3691
03:34:52,239 --> 03:34:54,239
fact that we are working with city staff

3692
03:34:54,239 --> 03:34:56,399
currently to look at space for all

3693
03:34:56,399 --> 03:34:58,080
neighborhoods.

3694
03:34:58,080 --> 03:35:00,080
This is just not the appropriate time in

3695
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:02,399
our view. This is something that I have

3696
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:06,000
expressed and that was not taken into

3697
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:07,439
consideration and this is something that

3698
03:35:07,439 --> 03:35:09,200
my board had a healthy conversation

3699
03:35:09,200 --> 03:35:11,520
about as well.

3700
03:35:11,520 --> 03:35:13,520
>> So Kim, I recognize you weren't prepared

3701
03:35:13,520 --> 03:35:15,040
to speak tonight. No,

3702
03:35:15,040 --> 03:35:16,880
>> you did say you hadn't didn't want to

3703
03:35:16,880 --> 03:35:18,560
get up and speak when I first came in

3704
03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:20,479
the room. So, but I have some questions.

3705
03:35:20,479 --> 03:35:22,160
Are you willing to take the question?

3706
03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:22,880
>> Absolutely.

3707
03:35:22,880 --> 03:35:24,800
>> Okay. Councelor Kimson, is this directed

3708
03:35:24,800 --> 03:35:26,880
to Kim?

3709
03:35:26,880 --> 03:35:28,720
>> No. Okay. Councelor Schwar, is this

3710
03:35:28,720 --> 03:35:31,120
directed to Kim? No. You're off the hot

3711
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:33,040
seat. Thank Thank you for this. Thank

3712
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:33,920
you.

3713
03:35:33,920 --> 03:35:36,319
>> Okay. Um, Councelor Kimson, do you want

3714
03:35:36,319 --> 03:35:39,439
to put your question on the floor?

3715
03:35:39,439 --> 03:35:41,040
>> Yes. Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. I

3716
03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:42,640
guess this is a question perhaps for

3717
03:35:42,640 --> 03:35:46,399
staff. Um, and as I'm as I'm reading

3718
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:50,160
this revised motion and looking at it,

3719
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:51,680
um, understanding the work that's

3720
03:35:51,680 --> 03:35:52,880
currently being done with the

3721
03:35:52,880 --> 03:35:54,720
neighborhood associations in general,

3722
03:35:54,720 --> 03:35:57,680
and of course, W three, the Preston area

3723
03:35:57,680 --> 03:35:59,359
does not have a neighborhood

3724
03:35:59,359 --> 03:36:02,640
association. Um, for for many years,

3725
03:36:02,640 --> 03:36:04,080
it's something we've discussed. We

3726
03:36:04,080 --> 03:36:06,560
either have Preston Heights um

3727
03:36:06,560 --> 03:36:08,720
neighborhood association ward 1 or

3728
03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:10,560
there's Langs which I guess I should say

3729
03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:13,279
is in Ward 3 but central Preston does

3730
03:36:13,279 --> 03:36:16,479
not have a neighborhood association. So

3731
03:36:16,479 --> 03:36:19,359
I guess when I look at this and with

3732
03:36:19,359 --> 03:36:22,239
this request looking at future planning

3733
03:36:22,239 --> 03:36:24,640
for Fiddlesticks I'm wondering is this

3734
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:27,600
something that I should be doing for

3735
03:36:27,600 --> 03:36:29,439
Central Preston or is that going to be

3736
03:36:29,439 --> 03:36:30,800
covered in the work that's already

3737
03:36:30,800 --> 03:36:38,614
ongoing?

3738
03:36:38,624 --> 03:36:38,800
» [snorts]

3739
03:36:38,800 --> 03:36:40,960
>> Um, thanks for the question. And there

3740
03:36:40,960 --> 03:36:44,080
is a feasibility study planned for 2027

3741
03:36:44,080 --> 03:36:45,920
that includes all of the neighborhood

3742
03:36:45,920 --> 03:36:47,840
associations. So, we've had a lot of

3743
03:36:47,840 --> 03:36:50,319
requests from multiple associations

3744
03:36:50,319 --> 03:36:53,200
around the need for space. And so, we've

3745
03:36:53,200 --> 03:36:55,279
drafted a statement of work with with

3746
03:36:55,279 --> 03:36:57,600
the neighborhood groups to kind of work

3747
03:36:57,600 --> 03:36:59,359
on a project. And so, that's supposed to

3748
03:36:59,359 --> 03:37:01,439
happen in 2027. and it's

3749
03:37:01,439 --> 03:37:02,960
all-encompassing of all neighborhood

3750
03:37:02,960 --> 03:37:04,560
groups.

3751
03:37:04,560 --> 03:37:08,000
>> May I follow up? Um, so in that

3752
03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:10,000
situation, is that going to include some

3753
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:12,319
sort of consultation with the

3754
03:37:12,319 --> 03:37:14,080
non-organized

3755
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:16,319
group representing Central Preston that

3756
03:37:16,319 --> 03:37:17,680
doesn't actually have a neighborhood

3757
03:37:17,680 --> 03:37:19,279
association? Is there going to be a way

3758
03:37:19,279 --> 03:37:21,760
for community consultation as part of

3759
03:37:21,760 --> 03:37:23,439
that?

3760
03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:25,840
So the feasibility study is specifically

3761
03:37:25,840 --> 03:37:27,095
around the current requests

3762
03:37:27,095 --> 03:37:28,640
[clears throat] coming in and creating a

3763
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:32,239
process that the city can uh apply to

3764
03:37:32,239 --> 03:37:34,399
anyone coming in. There's a there's

3765
03:37:34,399 --> 03:37:35,920
other work I think that we need to do

3766
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:38,239
around neighborhood groups and emerging

3767
03:37:38,239 --> 03:37:40,560
groups and uh groups that are changing

3768
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:43,040
categories. So that's not a part of this

3769
03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:46,000
scope, but that is in our future.

3770
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:51,510
Thank you,

3771
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:54,640
» Councelor Armeda. Um, if you want to

3772
03:37:54,640 --> 03:37:57,200
make a comment, um, and then I'll follow

3773
03:37:57,200 --> 03:37:58,399
up from there.

3774
03:37:58,399 --> 03:38:00,479
>> Thank you, Mayor J. I certainly would. I

3775
03:38:00,479 --> 03:38:03,279
would like to make some remarks. So, I I

3776
03:38:03,279 --> 03:38:05,680
rise today to table this motion to

3777
03:38:05,680 --> 03:38:08,399
address a critical gap in our city's

3778
03:38:08,399 --> 03:38:11,279
recreational infrastructure. Every

3779
03:38:11,279 --> 03:38:13,279
member on this council knows a city is

3780
03:38:13,279 --> 03:38:15,279
not just a collection of roads and

3781
03:38:15,279 --> 03:38:17,200
pipes. It is a tapestry of

3782
03:38:17,200 --> 03:38:19,680
neighborhoods. And right now the fabric

3783
03:38:19,680 --> 03:38:22,239
of the Fiddlesticks catchment area is

3784
03:38:22,239 --> 03:38:24,720
stretching to its absolute limit.

3785
03:38:24,720 --> 03:38:27,760
Fiddlesticks is a rightfully proud

3786
03:38:27,760 --> 03:38:31,279
thriving community of over 17,500

3787
03:38:31,279 --> 03:38:33,520
residents. But the demographics have

3788
03:38:33,520 --> 03:38:35,680
fundamentally shifted since its

3789
03:38:35,680 --> 03:38:37,680
community infrastructure was first drawn

3790
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:41,120
up. Over 60% of Fiddlesticks households

3791
03:38:41,120 --> 03:38:43,439
are families with children living at

3792
03:38:43,439 --> 03:38:45,680
home. And that is a massively higher

3793
03:38:45,680 --> 03:38:47,840
than the citywide average of roughly

3794
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:49,359
47%.

3795
03:38:49,359 --> 03:38:51,279
At the exact same time, we are

3796
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:53,840
experiencing a massive demographic

3797
03:38:53,840 --> 03:38:57,920
crest. Our city's over 50 population is

3798
03:38:57,920 --> 03:38:59,520
projected to double in the coming

3799
03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:02,399
decades. Fiddlesticks is facing a unique

3800
03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:05,040
generational squeeze. We have strollers

3801
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:07,520
and aging seniors competing for the

3802
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:10,000
exact same community square footage. And

3803
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:12,800
the current infrastructure simply cannot

3804
03:39:12,800 --> 03:39:16,000
hold them both anymore. And with over um

3805
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:19,120
60% of Fiddlesticks homes raising kids,

3806
03:39:19,120 --> 03:39:21,920
public spaces are not sorry, they're not

3807
03:39:21,920 --> 03:39:24,160
a luxury. They are an essential

3808
03:39:24,160 --> 03:39:26,479
extension of the family living room. We

3809
03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:29,359
need this expansion or uh or either that

3810
03:39:29,359 --> 03:39:31,600
or having more recreational facilities

3811
03:39:31,600 --> 03:39:34,080
in our parks in that area. And I'm quite

3812
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:36,479
flexible either way on that. As a

3813
03:39:36,479 --> 03:39:38,640
critical reminder, this request is for

3814
03:39:38,640 --> 03:39:41,359
the entire Fiddlesticks Catchman area.

3815
03:39:41,359 --> 03:39:43,600
We are not just I I'm not just talking

3816
03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:47,040
about the brick andmortar facility at 71

3817
03:39:47,040 --> 03:39:49,200
Catwin Boulevard, even though it is very

3818
03:39:49,200 --> 03:39:51,359
important to me. But this review must

3819
03:39:51,359 --> 03:39:53,920
capture our shared community parks right

3820
03:39:53,920 --> 03:39:56,000
across the neighborhood stretching from

3821
03:39:56,000 --> 03:39:58,880
Duncan Ferguson Park to Lions Canamera

3822
03:39:58,880 --> 03:40:01,680
Park over to a Wayne Taylor Park and

3823
03:40:01,680 --> 03:40:03,920
even all the way up to Whitmer Park. And

3824
03:40:03,920 --> 03:40:06,000
let me be absolutely clear about what

3825
03:40:06,000 --> 03:40:07,760
this motion does and what it does not

3826
03:40:07,760 --> 03:40:10,239
do. I'm not standing here today asking

3827
03:40:10,239 --> 03:40:13,279
for a bling check. And I I'm not

3828
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:15,760
standing asking for a capital funding

3829
03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:17,760
either, even though I did kind of want

3830
03:40:17,760 --> 03:40:19,520
to get the ball rolling on that and I

3831
03:40:19,520 --> 03:40:21,200
left it open to future budget

3832
03:40:21,200 --> 03:40:23,840
deliberations. But anyways, I've heard

3833
03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:25,920
the neighborhood. I've heard the board

3834
03:40:25,920 --> 03:40:28,720
and I feel that this at least keeps the

3835
03:40:28,720 --> 03:40:33,600
ball rolling and I applaud staff for the work that they are doing and the

3836
03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:35,439
studies across all of the neighborhood

3837
03:40:35,439 --> 03:40:36,960
associations.

3838
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:38,800
But I represent this area. I'm held

3839
03:40:38,800 --> 03:40:41,439
accountable by the residents. I did make

3840
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:43,840
a promise to bring something forward. I

3841
03:40:43,840 --> 03:40:46,800
did and I'm keeping that promise by

3842
03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:49,680
doing this and that is why I wanted to

3843
03:40:49,680 --> 03:40:51,200
bring something forward to keep my

3844
03:40:51,200 --> 03:40:53,760
promise because I did make a promise to

3845
03:40:53,760 --> 03:40:55,600
the residents I would bring something

3846
03:40:55,600 --> 03:40:57,200
forward.

3847
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,680
In the magic of this process lies in its

3848
03:40:59,680 --> 03:41:02,319
collaboration and passing the motion. We

3849
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:03,680
are directing staff to bring the

3850
03:41:03,680 --> 03:41:05,840
community to the table by actively

3851
03:41:05,840 --> 03:41:07,680
consulting with the general resident

3852
03:41:07,680 --> 03:41:10,160
population alongside the Fiddlesticks

3853
03:41:10,160 --> 03:41:12,479
Neighborhood Association executive

3854
03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:15,120
director and board. And we achieve three

3855
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:17,520
critical things. We tap into the decades

3856
03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:20,479
of grassroots operational expertise from

3857
03:41:20,479 --> 03:41:22,640
the people who run the programs daily.

3858
03:41:22,640 --> 03:41:24,479
We build an unshakable community

3859
03:41:24,479 --> 03:41:27,439
consensus on exactly what facilities and

3860
03:41:27,439 --> 03:41:30,399
park spaces are actually needed. And we

3861
03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:32,479
destress the project by identifying

3862
03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:35,439
operational design or any fiscal hurdles

3863
03:41:35,439 --> 03:41:38,080
before they ever cost the taxpayer a

3864
03:41:38,080 --> 03:41:39,840
dime.

3865
03:41:39,840 --> 03:41:42,160
And you know to a collective relief of

3866
03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:44,479
staff. I'm not asking for a report

3867
03:41:44,479 --> 03:41:46,960
tomorrow. And I am flexible on the

3868
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:49,200
timeline. And if we want to roll this

3869
03:41:49,200 --> 03:41:51,439
into the review that's already, you

3870
03:41:51,439 --> 03:41:52,880
know, underway with all of the

3871
03:41:52,880 --> 03:41:55,040
neighborhood associations, I'm perfectly

3872
03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:57,520
fine with that. But I want to advocate

3873
03:41:57,520 --> 03:42:00,479
strongly for this area of the city and I

3874
03:42:00,479 --> 03:42:02,479
want to make sure Fiddlesticks continues

3875
03:42:02,479 --> 03:42:05,600
to be at the forefront. It is my job to

3876
03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:07,439
advocate for them and for the

3877
03:42:07,439 --> 03:42:09,920
neighborhood as a whole. So that's why

3878
03:42:09,920 --> 03:42:12,479
I'm bringing this forward and I do have

3879
03:42:12,479 --> 03:42:14,880
flexibility on how to proceed. I just

3880
03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:16,239
don't want it to get lost in the

3881
03:42:16,239 --> 03:42:18,080
shuffle. I want to be strong and

3882
03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:22,239
advocate for the area. So thank you.

3883
03:42:22,239 --> 03:42:25,439
>> Councelor Schwer, you have a comment?

3884
03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:27,840
>> Yes. Uh, thank you, Mayor Leot. I just

3885
03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:30,880
want to echo uh Councelor Kimson's

3886
03:42:30,880 --> 03:42:33,600
comments. Um, because if this is

3887
03:42:33,600 --> 03:42:35,120
something that would involve all the

3888
03:42:35,120 --> 03:42:37,120
neighborhood associations,

3889
03:42:37,120 --> 03:42:40,479
uh, review, I would support. Um, but we

3890
03:42:40,479 --> 03:42:43,279
are slowly lacking also in the Preston

3891
03:42:43,279 --> 03:42:46,239
area for a neighborhood association. So,

3892
03:42:46,239 --> 03:42:48,800
I'd rather um, this be part of a big

3893
03:42:48,800 --> 03:42:52,960
review rather than specific.

3894
03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:54,960
>> Councelor Hamilton.

3895
03:42:54,960 --> 03:42:56,800
Thank you, Mayor Le and through you. Um,

3896
03:42:56,800 --> 03:42:58,399
and although I appreciate councilor

3897
03:42:58,399 --> 03:43:00,080
Meadow's fortitude in sticking to his

3898
03:43:00,080 --> 03:43:02,160
promise and uh the spirit of the motion

3899
03:43:02,160 --> 03:43:03,520
is certainly a good one that's steeped

3900
03:43:03,520 --> 03:43:05,279
in bringing the community together,

3901
03:43:05,279 --> 03:43:06,640
ultimately the motion pertains heavily

3902
03:43:06,640 --> 03:43:07,920
to Fiddlesticks Neighborhood

3903
03:43:07,920 --> 03:43:09,920
Association. And we've just heard from

3904
03:43:09,920 --> 03:43:11,600
the executive director and the board of

3905
03:43:11,600 --> 03:43:13,040
Fiddlesticks Neighborhood Association

3906
03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:14,720
that's waited three hours to essentially

3907
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:17,040
say that they oppose the motion. Um, and

3908
03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:18,160
when it comes to Fiddlesticks

3909
03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:21,040
neighborhood, I trust uh I trust Kim and

3910
03:43:21,040 --> 03:43:22,479
I trust the board and I think they've

3911
03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:24,239
done an amazing job uh in bringing that

3912
03:43:24,239 --> 03:43:26,479
neighborhood to life over decades. So,

3913
03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:27,520
uh I hear where you're coming from,

3914
03:43:27,520 --> 03:43:28,880
councelor Meta, but I'm afraid I can't

3915
03:43:28,880 --> 03:43:31,359
support the motion unless u fiddle

3916
03:43:31,359 --> 03:43:32,960
fiddlesticks neighborhood association is

3917
03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:36,560
behind it. Thanks.

3918
03:43:36,560 --> 03:43:40,560
Um, so my comments, um, even if the

3919
03:43:40,560 --> 03:43:43,199
board was for it, I wouldn't be able to

3920
03:43:43,199 --> 03:43:46,160
support this because this is a big city

3921
03:43:46,160 --> 03:43:47,840
with a lot of, uh, neighborhood

3922
03:43:47,840 --> 03:43:49,520
associations, some of them that are

3923
03:43:49,520 --> 03:43:52,880
very, very lacking. I think of Greenway

3924
03:43:52,880 --> 03:43:55,040
Chaplain, for instance, they have no

3925
03:43:55,040 --> 03:43:57,199
space. They have no room to do anything

3926
03:43:57,199 --> 03:43:59,680
with. They don't even have green space.

3927
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:01,439
Um,

3928
03:44:01,439 --> 03:44:03,760
I think that we need to listen to the

3929
03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:06,160
board here. it's not the right time for

3930
03:44:06,160 --> 03:44:08,399
them. There is a fe there is

3931
03:44:08,399 --> 03:44:10,080
consultation coming. There is

3932
03:44:10,080 --> 03:44:13,439
feasibility coming. Um and I I've got to

3933
03:44:13,439 --> 03:44:15,760
say you are an amazing representative

3934
03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:18,479
for your residents, councelor Meta. You

3935
03:44:18,479 --> 03:44:21,120
always have been. And to try to keep to

3936
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:23,760
a promise that's commendable, very very

3937
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:26,880
commendable. Um

3938
03:44:26,880 --> 03:44:29,199
I I think you're a great representative.

3939
03:44:29,199 --> 03:44:31,600
Uh I just want to put that out there. U

3940
03:44:31,600 --> 03:44:34,800
but I cannot support this motion. Sorry,

3941
03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:36,880
councelor Divine.

3942
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:40,399
>> Yes, thank you to the chair. Um,

3943
03:44:40,399 --> 03:44:42,239
sometimes the road to hell is paved with

3944
03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:45,120
good intentions.

3945
03:44:45,120 --> 03:44:47,760
I think um I understand what you're

3946
03:44:47,760 --> 03:44:54,239
doing, but we have multiple multiple um

3947
03:44:54,239 --> 03:44:59,120
groups in the city that um multiple

3948
03:44:59,120 --> 03:45:01,359
neighborhood associations. Some have

3949
03:45:01,359 --> 03:45:04,800
homes, some don't. Um, and I think we

3950
03:45:04,800 --> 03:45:06,960
have to be very careful what we do

3951
03:45:06,960 --> 03:45:08,720
because the model that's used in this

3952
03:45:08,720 --> 03:45:10,720
city for neighborhood associations is a

3953
03:45:10,720 --> 03:45:12,960
great model. It's an absolute great

3954
03:45:12,960 --> 03:45:16,560
model. However, however,

3955
03:45:16,560 --> 03:45:18,160
you know, some we have the halves and

3956
03:45:18,160 --> 03:45:22,239
halves not. So, we have to in the end

3957
03:45:22,239 --> 03:45:25,840
make sure we we everybody's equal,

3958
03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:28,525
right? Hal has like for example the

3959
03:45:28,525 --> 03:45:31,359
[snorts] um HSPA operated at the arena

3960
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:34,720
they technically don't have a home right

3961
03:45:34,720 --> 03:45:37,439
and I I appreciate you bringing this

3962
03:45:37,439 --> 03:45:39,680
forward but I I certainly can't support

3963
03:45:39,680 --> 03:45:41,760
it because everybody's got to be treated

3964
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:42,880
equal with the neighborhood

3965
03:45:42,880 --> 03:45:45,760
associations. Thank you. [snorts]

3966
03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:47,600
>> Okay, we're going to put the motion the

3967
03:45:47,600 --> 03:45:48,640
motion's on the floor. We're going to

3968
03:45:48,640 --> 03:45:51,040
call for that vote.

3969
03:45:51,040 --> 03:45:56,790
Opening voting,

3970
03:45:56,800 --> 03:45:59,840
closing voting.

3971
03:45:59,840 --> 03:46:01,600
Uh, that's defeated by vote of 1 to

3972
03:46:01,600 --> 03:46:05,349
eight.

3973
03:46:05,359 --> 03:46:07,040
Now, I'd like to present a motion

3974
03:46:07,040 --> 03:46:09,120
regarding a provincial data center

3975
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:11,120
framework and community benefits, which

3976
03:46:11,120 --> 03:46:13,279
has been revised to correct an error in

3977
03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:15,920
publishing today on the revised agenda.

3978
03:46:15,920 --> 03:46:18,319
and I'll ask the deputy clerk Chris

3979
03:46:18,319 --> 03:46:21,279
Fereso to provide some background on the

3980
03:46:21,279 --> 03:46:24,160
publishing of this motion.

3981
03:46:24,160 --> 03:46:25,680
>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and through you.

3982
03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:27,359
Um, so I just wanted to provide some

3983
03:46:27,359 --> 03:46:29,439
background. This evening's addendum

3984
03:46:29,439 --> 03:46:31,520
includes a motion from uh Mayor Liot

3985
03:46:31,520 --> 03:46:32,960
related to data centers. Uh, the one

3986
03:46:32,960 --> 03:46:35,120
that was published yesterday that um is

3987
03:46:35,120 --> 03:46:38,479
pages 20 to 24. Um,

3988
03:46:38,479 --> 03:46:40,479
Mayor Liot's motion specifically was

3989
03:46:40,479 --> 03:46:43,199
pages 21 to 22. Um, this motion was

3990
03:46:43,199 --> 03:46:44,880
included on the public agenda. Uh

3991
03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:46,720
however, along with the motion, staff

3992
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:48,399
inadvertently published draft wording

3993
03:46:48,399 --> 03:46:50,399
that had been prepared by staff while

3994
03:46:50,399 --> 03:46:51,760
reviewing different options that may

3995
03:46:51,760 --> 03:46:53,840
arise from this conversation. Um and

3996
03:46:53,840 --> 03:46:56,000
that could be found on uh the latter two

3997
03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:58,160
pages of that motion for the addendum

3998
03:46:58,160 --> 03:46:59,840
that was published yesterday. I just

3999
03:46:59,840 --> 03:47:01,439
wanted to be clear that the additional

4000
03:47:01,439 --> 03:47:03,279
draft wording was not part of the

4001
03:47:03,279 --> 03:47:04,960
mayor's motion and was included in

4002
03:47:04,960 --> 03:47:07,040
error. Uh it was prepared as a draft

4003
03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:09,520
working document only. uh based on a lot

4004
03:47:09,520 --> 03:47:11,680
of the discussions and things that we

4005
03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:13,199
were seeing around the province and

4006
03:47:13,199 --> 03:47:15,439
based on some of AMO's guidance and it

4007
03:47:15,439 --> 03:47:17,199
was not intended for publication or

4008
03:47:17,199 --> 03:47:20,080
consideration of council. So the motion

4009
03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:22,080
itself uh was corrected on the revised

4010
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:24,000
agenda that was published today and it

4011
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:26,239
speaks to the data centers only. The

4012
03:47:26,239 --> 03:47:28,640
strike out portion is not uh what was to

4013
03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:34,550
be included. Thank you.

4014
03:47:34,560 --> 03:47:36,800
» Yeah, I have a seconder. Yes, that's

4015
03:47:36,800 --> 03:47:39,359
councelor Ernshaw. But we need to have

4016
03:47:39,359 --> 03:47:42,560
uh suspend the rules um which requires a

4017
03:47:42,560 --> 03:47:44,640
two-th3 majority

4018
03:47:44,640 --> 03:47:47,279
which we need six members of council to

4019
03:47:47,279 --> 03:47:49,680
bring this forward tonight. So we're

4020
03:47:49,680 --> 03:47:51,920
going to put the motion on the floor for

4021
03:47:51,920 --> 03:47:55,120
sorry seconder to suspend the rules.

4022
03:47:55,120 --> 03:48:02,870
Council you the sorry coun. Yes.

4023
03:48:02,880 --> 03:48:03,680
» Now voting.

4024
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:06,160
>> Now we're voting on it. Yeah.

4025
03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:08,080
Opening voting on the motion to suspend

4026
03:48:08,080 --> 03:48:14,950
the rules.

4027
03:48:14,960 --> 03:48:17,600
» Closing voting.

4028
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:20,319
That carries unanimously.

4029
03:48:20,319 --> 03:48:23,600
>> Okay. Thank you.

4030
03:48:23,600 --> 03:48:26,160
So [snorts] the motion,

4031
03:48:26,160 --> 03:48:30,790
let me just turn to that page.

4032
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:32,399
Whereas the province of Ontario has

4033
03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:34,560
released a proposed data center playbook

4034
03:48:34,560 --> 03:48:36,800
and is undertaking work to establish a

4035
03:48:36,800 --> 03:48:38,479
framework for the review and approval of

4036
03:48:38,479 --> 03:48:40,880
data center developments. And whereas

4037
03:48:40,880 --> 03:48:42,880
the government of Canada has launched

4038
03:48:42,880 --> 03:48:44,560
Canada's national artificial

4039
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:47,520
intelligence strategy AI for all to

4040
03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:49,600
ensure sovereignty and control over our

4041
03:48:49,600 --> 03:48:51,920
data enabled data for innovation and

4042
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:54,239
economic growth and protect Canadians

4043
03:48:54,239 --> 03:48:57,199
from the risks and harms of AI. And

4044
03:48:57,199 --> 03:48:58,720
whereas the municipalities are

4045
03:48:58,720 --> 03:49:01,040
increasingly receiving inquiries and

4046
03:49:01,040 --> 03:49:02,960
proposals related to data center

4047
03:49:02,960 --> 03:49:04,880
development and require greater

4048
03:49:04,880 --> 03:49:06,479
certainty regarding provincial

4049
03:49:06,479 --> 03:49:08,960
direction, infrastructure planning,

4050
03:49:08,960 --> 03:49:10,720
community benefits, and land use

4051
03:49:10,720 --> 03:49:13,120
considerations. And whereas council

4052
03:49:13,120 --> 03:49:15,680
recognizes the economic opportunities

4053
03:49:15,680 --> 03:49:17,680
associated with digital infrastructure

4054
03:49:17,680 --> 03:49:19,439
while recognizing the need for a

4055
03:49:19,439 --> 03:49:22,080
comprehensive municipal framework before

4056
03:49:22,080 --> 03:49:23,760
permitting additional large-scale

4057
03:49:23,760 --> 03:49:26,080
facilities. Therefore, be it resolved

4058
03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:27,600
that the city of Cambridge request that

4059
03:49:27,600 --> 03:49:29,600
the province of Ontario expedite the

4060
03:49:29,600 --> 03:49:31,279
completion and implementation of its

4061
03:49:31,279 --> 03:49:33,680
data center playbook and associated

4062
03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:35,520
approval framework in order to provide

4063
03:49:35,520 --> 03:49:37,680
clarity and certainty to municipalities,

4064
03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:40,239
utilities, and the development community

4065
03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:42,720
and that the province be requested to

4066
03:49:42,720 --> 03:49:44,720
work in partnership with municipalities,

4067
03:49:44,720 --> 03:49:46,560
local distribution companies, including

4068
03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:48,720
Granbridge Energy and industry

4069
03:49:48,720 --> 03:49:51,040
stakeholders to establish a public good

4070
03:49:51,040 --> 03:49:52,800
framework for data centers, including

4071
03:49:52,800 --> 03:49:54,560
options for community benefit agree.

4072
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,720
agreements, local infrastructure

4073
03:49:56,720 --> 03:49:59,199
investments, affordability initiatives,

4074
03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:01,520
energy partnerships, and other measures

4075
03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:03,279
that provide direct and lasting

4076
03:50:03,279 --> 03:50:05,439
community be benefits to host

4077
03:50:05,439 --> 03:50:07,520
communities. and that as part of the

4078
03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:09,359
upcoming review of the city of Cambridge

4079
03:50:09,359 --> 03:50:11,920
official plan, council directs staff to

4080
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:14,080
evaluate and identify appropriate

4081
03:50:14,080 --> 03:50:17,040
locations and policy considerations for

4082
03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:19,520
potentially but not necessarily future

4083
03:50:19,520 --> 03:50:21,439
data center development to ensure land

4084
03:50:21,439 --> 03:50:23,439
use compatibility, infrastructure

4085
03:50:23,439 --> 03:50:25,279
readiness and alignment with community

4086
03:50:25,279 --> 03:50:27,680
objectives. And that the review include

4087
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:29,920
official plan policies and designations

4088
03:50:29,920 --> 03:50:33,120
hypers scale or otherwise zoning bylaw

4089
03:50:33,120 --> 03:50:36,080
permissions, site plan standards,

4090
03:50:36,080 --> 03:50:38,000
infrastructure, servicing,

4091
03:50:38,000 --> 03:50:40,399
environmental, economic employment,

4092
03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:42,479
taxation, public health, climate and

4093
03:50:42,479 --> 03:50:44,880
national security considerations. that a

4094
03:50:44,880 --> 03:50:46,960
copy of this resolution be forwarded to

4095
03:50:46,960 --> 03:50:49,040
the Premier Doug Ford, Minister of

4096
03:50:49,040 --> 03:50:51,439
Municipal Affairs and Housing Robert

4097
03:50:51,439 --> 03:50:54,319
Flack, Minister of Energy and Mines

4098
03:50:54,319 --> 03:50:56,479
Steven Leche, Minister of Public and

4099
03:50:56,479 --> 03:50:57,920
Business Service Delivery and

4100
03:50:57,920 --> 03:51:00,479
Procurement Steven Crawford, Minister of

4101
03:51:00,479 --> 03:51:02,560
Housing and Infrastructure of Canada,

4102
03:51:02,560 --> 03:51:05,279
Gregor Robertson, Minister of Artificial

4103
03:51:05,279 --> 03:51:07,600
Intelligence and Digital Innovation,

4104
03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:10,560
Evan Solomon, Ontario's Big City Mayors,

4105
03:51:10,560 --> 03:51:13,120
OBCM, the Association of Municipalities

4106
03:51:13,120 --> 03:51:15,840
of Ontario, AM O and the Federation of

4107
03:51:15,840 --> 03:51:18,160
Canadian Municipalities FCM and all

4108
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:20,479
Ontario municipalities.

4109
03:51:20,479 --> 03:51:24,479
>> A second council.

4110
03:51:24,479 --> 03:51:27,040
>> Yes.

4111
03:51:27,040 --> 03:51:31,670
>> Uh are there any questions

4112
03:51:31,680 --> 03:51:33,120
councelor Shwary?

4113
03:51:33,120 --> 03:51:37,680
>> Thank you. Are we able to add to that

4114
03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:41,359
like request to the province to delegate

4115
03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:43,920
more stuff or

4116
03:51:43,920 --> 03:51:45,600
Sorry. You want to add to this? Amend

4117
03:51:45,600 --> 03:51:46,319
the motion?

4118
03:51:46,319 --> 03:51:48,479
>> No. Like

4119
03:51:48,479 --> 03:51:50,560
I want to be able to talk about this not

4120
03:51:50,560 --> 03:51:53,520
to change your motion, but like to

4121
03:51:53,520 --> 03:52:00,800
consider other things that perhaps the province can look at. Um

4122
03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:02,880
>> so can you give me an idea because it

4123
03:52:02,880 --> 03:52:04,720
might be already included in the wording

4124
03:52:04,720 --> 03:52:06,160
because the wording is pretty broad,

4125
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:06,479
right?

4126
03:52:06,479 --> 03:52:10,800
>> Okay. Okay. Like for example, um if a if

4127
03:52:10,800 --> 03:52:14,960
a data center like the one on on 17

4128
03:52:14,960 --> 03:52:18,080
Bondro for example, they were given $450

4129
03:52:18,080 --> 03:52:22,000
million to expand the data center and to

4130
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:24,479
boost it up to 60 megawatts. Would there

4131
03:52:24,479 --> 03:52:27,359
be something in in that motion that

4132
03:52:27,359 --> 03:52:29,760
before a data center does that, they

4133
03:52:29,760 --> 03:52:32,880
have to come back um to a staff to bring

4134
03:52:32,880 --> 03:52:35,600
it back to council uh and also to let us

4135
03:52:35,600 --> 03:52:38,160
know what extra for example water load

4136
03:52:38,160 --> 03:52:42,800
or or hydro um things like that and also

4137
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:45,279
other things of concern that a lot of

4138
03:52:45,279 --> 03:52:47,120
people are having. Um I don't know if

4139
03:52:47,120 --> 03:52:49,520
it's a city thing we have to do or or

4140
03:52:49,520 --> 03:52:51,760
it's a province. A lot of people are

4141
03:52:51,760 --> 03:52:53,840
complaining about the noise the data

4142
03:52:53,840 --> 03:52:56,399
center emits and it's harmful to some

4143
03:52:56,399 --> 03:52:58,160
people's health. I was just wondering if

4144
03:52:58,160 --> 03:53:00,080
that would include something like that

4145
03:53:00,080 --> 03:53:02,399
or is that something we do at a city

4146
03:53:02,399 --> 03:53:04,080
level?

4147
03:53:04,080 --> 03:53:06,880
>> Well, as far as far as the energy grid

4148
03:53:06,880 --> 03:53:08,960
that's out of our hands anyway, that's

4149
03:53:08,960 --> 03:53:11,199
part of Grand Bridge. That's why we've

4150
03:53:11,199 --> 03:53:13,680
asked for the consultation with those

4151
03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:16,560
entities. Um, and as far as the water,

4152
03:53:16,560 --> 03:53:18,640
that would be the region that would be

4153
03:53:18,640 --> 03:53:23,040
able to handle that. Um,

4154
03:53:23,040 --> 03:53:25,600
and the noise, I think that's what we're

4155
03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:27,279
looking at here when we send it back to

4156
03:53:27,279 --> 03:53:30,880
staff. Correct. Am I a little bit

4157
03:53:30,880 --> 03:53:32,560
>> through you, mayor? So, part of the

4158
03:53:32,560 --> 03:53:35,840
motion reads to uh provide some feedback

4159
03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:39,120
to uh the pro to the province of Ontario

4160
03:53:39,120 --> 03:53:41,600
related to their playbook. So what you

4161
03:53:41,600 --> 03:53:44,479
had just mentioned councelor Shweri

4162
03:53:44,479 --> 03:53:46,080
would be some of that feedback that we

4163
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:47,680
could provide.

4164
03:53:47,680 --> 03:53:50,880
>> Okay. So that's what I wanted to do.

4165
03:53:50,880 --> 03:53:54,080
>> Yes. So the point of my motion was you

4166
03:53:54,080 --> 03:53:56,720
know every so so many municipalities in

4167
03:53:56,720 --> 03:53:58,319
North America and around the world are

4168
03:53:58,319 --> 03:54:01,120
getting caught because we don't have any

4169
03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:03,040
guidelines in place. There's nothing out

4170
03:54:03,040 --> 03:54:05,680
there to protect the residents. And one

4171
03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:08,160
of my big concerns when we hear that

4172
03:54:08,160 --> 03:54:09,760
there's jobs provided, those are

4173
03:54:09,760 --> 03:54:11,840
temporary jobs. The the construction

4174
03:54:11,840 --> 03:54:16,160
jobs come and go, right? They're they move on from one community to the

4175
03:54:16,160 --> 03:54:19,600
next. They're not permanent jobs. Um and

4176
03:54:19,600 --> 03:54:22,000
uh you know, the jobs that are provided

4177
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:24,800
within the these buildings, there's few

4178
03:54:24,800 --> 03:54:27,840
of them, but there is a spin-off effect

4179
03:54:27,840 --> 03:54:29,520
that happens. And that's the same with

4180
03:54:29,520 --> 03:54:31,840
any industry. All industries have

4181
03:54:31,840 --> 03:54:34,560
spin-off supply companies that come into

4182
03:54:34,560 --> 03:54:38,319
being, but because we don't have there

4183
03:54:38,319 --> 03:54:41,120
won't be a lot of people um working

4184
03:54:41,120 --> 03:54:43,439
here, we lose the impact of having

4185
03:54:43,439 --> 03:54:45,439
people buy houses and pay municipal

4186
03:54:45,439 --> 03:54:47,920
taxes that provide for the benefits. So

4187
03:54:47,920 --> 03:54:50,080
that's why I put in here about community

4188
03:54:50,080 --> 03:54:52,239
benefits that will provide for parks,

4189
03:54:52,239 --> 03:54:54,720
would provide for social issues that we

4190
03:54:54,720 --> 03:54:56,160
may not know that we're going to

4191
03:54:56,160 --> 03:54:58,800
encounter. So that's that's why I put

4192
03:54:58,800 --> 03:55:02,000
that in here. So, it's an it's a not a

4193
03:55:02,000 --> 03:55:04,000
tax. I I'm not sure what we would call

4194
03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:06,560
it, but I want staff to look at it and I

4195
03:55:06,560 --> 03:55:08,239
want it taken to the province so that

4196
03:55:08,239 --> 03:55:10,720
they can look at their playbook, what

4197
03:55:10,720 --> 03:55:13,439
sort of tools that we can have in order

4198
03:55:13,439 --> 03:55:16,239
to collect money, not not development

4199
03:55:16,239 --> 03:55:18,640
charges, but charges that could have a

4200
03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:20,880
different name that we can utilize for

4201
03:55:20,880 --> 03:55:24,800
things like that. So this has been um

4202
03:55:24,800 --> 03:55:27,199
you know I worked with the city manager

4203
03:55:27,199 --> 03:55:30,399
on this and OBCM had also put forward a

4204
03:55:30,399 --> 03:55:32,080
motion as well which was passed

4205
03:55:32,080 --> 03:55:34,560
unanimously. There's a big concern with

4206
03:55:34,560 --> 03:55:37,520
all the cities all the cities on what's

4207
03:55:37,520 --> 03:55:39,760
coming forward. But I don't we don't

4208
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:42,800
want to restrict businesses that come

4209
03:55:42,800 --> 03:55:44,720
from these data centers. They they're

4210
03:55:44,720 --> 03:55:46,399
good. We need them. We can't be left

4211
03:55:46,399 --> 03:55:49,199
behind in technology. We have to have

4212
03:55:49,199 --> 03:55:51,120
these or we'll be on the losing end of

4213
03:55:51,120 --> 03:55:52,720
them. They're very, very important to

4214
03:55:52,720 --> 03:55:55,279
have. We need growth in this, but they

4215
03:55:55,279 --> 03:55:56,720
need to be regulated. And that's what

4216
03:55:56,720 --> 03:55:57,920
the federal government's doing. That's

4217
03:55:57,920 --> 03:55:59,680
what the province is doing. And that's

4218
03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:01,520
why we're in this motion, we're asking

4219
03:56:01,520 --> 03:56:04,319
staff to bring forward the the um

4220
03:56:04,319 --> 03:56:05,920
official plan amendments, zoning

4221
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:07,680
amendments, that sort of thing, or

4222
03:56:07,680 --> 03:56:10,319
zoning, sorry, new ones, not amendments.

4223
03:56:10,319 --> 03:56:11,600
Councelor Kimson.

4224
03:56:11,600 --> 03:56:13,760
>> Um, thank you very much, Mayor Jan,

4225
03:56:13,760 --> 03:56:17,120
through you. Um, I'm wondering if there

4226
03:56:17,120 --> 03:56:19,199
might be an opportunity, not necessarily

4227
03:56:19,199 --> 03:56:21,520
as part of this motion, but an

4228
03:56:21,520 --> 03:56:25,040
opportunity for staff to put together a

4229
03:56:25,040 --> 03:56:27,120
workshop for the next term of council on

4230
03:56:27,120 --> 03:56:30,800
data centers. Um, because if we think

4231
03:56:30,800 --> 03:56:32,960
back to the beginning of the term, um,

4232
03:56:32,960 --> 03:56:34,479
you had your trip to Europe and then we

4233
03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:37,359
had the data center come um, and get set

4234
03:56:37,359 --> 03:56:39,040
up and and no one really thought much of

4235
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:42,080
it. And now we're hearing so much more

4236
03:56:42,080 --> 03:56:44,160
and and we don't know and we're hearing

4237
03:56:44,160 --> 03:56:46,080
a lot of hearsay and fodder. So I think

4238
03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:47,359
it's something that would be really

4239
03:56:47,359 --> 03:56:49,520
helpful to whoever it is around the

4240
03:56:49,520 --> 03:56:50,880
table as well as members of the

4241
03:56:50,880 --> 03:56:53,600
community to learn more about data

4242
03:56:53,600 --> 03:56:55,199
centers, different types of them, how

4243
03:56:55,199 --> 03:56:58,800
they work um just for we we know we're

4244
03:56:58,800 --> 03:56:59,920
going to be dealing with them in the

4245
03:56:59,920 --> 03:57:01,359
future and that would be certainly

4246
03:57:01,359 --> 03:57:03,279
helpful information.

4247
03:57:03,279 --> 03:57:05,279
>> That's actually something that is on the

4248
03:57:05,279 --> 03:57:07,920
horizon. U the city manager had plans

4249
03:57:07,920 --> 03:57:10,000
for that already. So certainly your

4250
03:57:10,000 --> 03:57:11,760
point is well taken and that will be

4251
03:57:11,760 --> 03:57:13,279
something that comes forward.

4252
03:57:13,279 --> 03:57:13,760
>> Thank you.

4253
03:57:13,760 --> 03:57:15,520
>> Oh he wants to speak to it.

4254
03:57:15,520 --> 03:57:17,199
>> Thank you and through through you mayor.

4255
03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:19,199
Uh we have also recently updated our

4256
03:57:19,199 --> 03:57:21,600
website to include a page specifically

4257
03:57:21,600 --> 03:57:23,359
regarding data centers to make sure that

4258
03:57:23,359 --> 03:57:25,040
the correct information was all out

4259
03:57:25,040 --> 03:57:27,120
there and as new information starts to

4260
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:31,840
come in we'll make sure that also gets uh collected and posted on our

4261
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:36,070
website.

4262
03:57:36,080 --> 03:57:39,760
I also didn't want the public to sit out

4263
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:41,199
there and think that we're not doing

4264
03:57:41,199 --> 03:57:43,359
anything about this because we're all

4265
03:57:43,359 --> 03:57:45,680
getting emails about this. Every elected

4266
03:57:45,680 --> 03:57:47,199
official in this province is getting

4267
03:57:47,199 --> 03:57:49,840
emails about this and we all have

4268
03:57:49,840 --> 03:57:53,120
concerns. We are listening to the public

4269
03:57:53,120 --> 03:57:55,040
um about their concerns, but there is

4270
03:57:55,040 --> 03:57:57,120
some wrong information out there. So,

4271
03:57:57,120 --> 03:58:00,479
this will clarify that um coming forward

4272
03:58:00,479 --> 03:58:05,040
to the new council. Um, so yeah,

4273
03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:06,720
enough said. We'll put the motion on the

4274
03:58:06,720 --> 03:58:09,830
floor.

4275
03:58:09,840 --> 03:58:15,910
» Opening voting.

4276
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Closing voting.

4277
03:58:20,960 --> 03:58:24,880
That carries by vote of 90.

4278
03:58:24,880 --> 03:58:28,720
>> So there are no notices of motion. Uh,

4279
03:58:28,720 --> 03:58:30,720
our next order of business is motion to

4280
03:58:30,720 --> 03:58:32,399
receive. Councelor Roberts, you have

4281
03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:35,120
that motion.

4282
03:58:35,120 --> 03:58:36,319
>> I'm going to put you before

4283
03:58:36,319 --> 03:58:38,239
consideration calls.

4284
03:58:38,239 --> 03:58:40,000
>> I do. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved

4285
03:58:40,000 --> 03:58:41,359
by myself, seconded by councelor

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03:58:41,359 --> 03:58:43,359
Ernshaw. Recommendation that all

4287
03:58:43,359 --> 03:58:45,120
presentations and correspondence from

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03:58:45,120 --> 03:58:47,760
the August 25th, 2026 council meeting be

4289
03:58:47,760 --> 03:58:49,439
received.

4290
03:58:49,439 --> 03:58:52,479
>> Okay, we'll take that vote.

4291
03:58:52,479 --> 03:58:55,279
>> Opening voting.

4292
03:58:55,279 --> 03:58:58,389
Closing

4293
03:58:58,399 --> 03:59:00,880
voting

4294
03:59:00,880 --> 03:59:05,750
that carries unanimously.

4295
03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:09,199
» Okay. So, um, our city manager, Rob

4296
03:59:09,199 --> 03:59:11,760
Axia, asked to make some closing remarks

4297
03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:14,800
here. So, um, Mr. Axia, if you want to

4298
03:59:14,800 --> 03:59:16,399
make those.

4299
03:59:16,399 --> 03:59:18,080
>> Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to point

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03:59:18,080 --> 03:59:19,680
out or highlight, uh, just a couple

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03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:22,479
items. Uh first off, uh Cambridge uh

4302
03:59:22,479 --> 03:59:24,399
senior staff and participating elected

4303
03:59:24,399 --> 03:59:25,840
officials had a successful and

4304
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:28,160
productive week of advocacy at this

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03:59:28,160 --> 03:59:30,080
year's Association of Municipalities of

4306
03:59:30,080 --> 03:59:32,640
Ontario conference with delegations that

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03:59:32,640 --> 03:59:34,720
focused on key priorities including

4308
03:59:34,720 --> 03:59:37,040
health and community care supports,

4309
03:59:37,040 --> 03:59:39,520
critical infrastructure, and modernizing

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03:59:39,520 --> 03:59:42,000
municipal government. Uh the city was

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03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:43,760
able to highlight local expertise,

4312
03:59:43,760 --> 03:59:45,920
strengthen provincial uh and municipal

4313
03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:48,239
partnerships and position Cambridge as a

4314
03:59:48,239 --> 03:59:50,880
solution focused municipal leader. A

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03:59:50,880 --> 03:59:52,720
sincere thank you is extended to

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03:59:52,720 --> 03:59:54,720
council, the corporate leadership team

4317
03:59:54,720 --> 03:59:56,640
and staff across the organization whose

4318
03:59:56,640 --> 03:59:59,359
briefing materials, technical expertise,

4319
03:59:59,359 --> 04:00:01,359
and day-to-day work help to support

4320
04:00:01,359 --> 04:00:03,680
these important conversations and

4321
04:00:03,680 --> 04:00:05,279
advance Cambridge's priorities

4322
04:00:05,279 --> 04:00:07,600
proincially. I would also like to

4323
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:09,520
highlight a recent appointment.

4324
04:00:09,520 --> 04:00:11,680
Effective September 8th, Keith Clark

4325
04:00:11,680 --> 04:00:13,680
will be appointed as a successful

4326
04:00:13,680 --> 04:00:16,319
applicant into the role of deputy fire

4327
04:00:16,319 --> 04:00:19,199
chief. Keith has dedicated more than 22

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04:00:19,199 --> 04:00:20,880
years of service to the Cambridge Fire

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04:00:20,880 --> 04:00:22,720
Department, demonstrating strong

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04:00:22,720 --> 04:00:24,800
leadership, a commitment to operational

4331
04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:26,640
excellence, and a passion for

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04:00:26,640 --> 04:00:28,319
firefighter development and public

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04:00:28,319 --> 04:00:30,880
safety. We welcome Deputy Chief Clark

4334
04:00:30,880 --> 04:00:36,000
into his new leadership role. Thank you.

4335
04:00:36,000 --> 04:00:37,840
Okay, the next order of business is the

4336
04:00:37,840 --> 04:00:39,760
consideration of bylaws. And before you

4337
04:00:39,760 --> 04:00:41,359
ask that question, councelor Ernshaw,

4338
04:00:41,359 --> 04:00:47,429
they're all good to go.

4339
04:00:47,439 --> 04:00:49,199
» Thank you, Mayor Liot. It's moved by me

4340
04:00:49,199 --> 04:00:51,840
and seconded by Councelor Hamilton that

4341
04:00:51,840 --> 04:00:53,359
bylaws as listed [clears throat] on the

4342
04:00:53,359 --> 04:00:56,720
agenda dated August 25, 2026 be adopted

4343
04:00:56,720 --> 04:01:00,239
as follows. 18.1

4344
04:01:00,239 --> 04:01:02,080
Bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge

4345
04:01:02,080 --> 04:01:04,880
official plan 2012

4346
04:01:04,880 --> 04:01:06,960
18.2

4347
04:01:06,960 --> 04:01:08,720
bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge

4348
04:01:08,720 --> 04:01:12,870
zoning bylaw 26-00007

4349
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:14,880
18.3

4350
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bylaw to amend the City of Cambridge

4351
04:01:16,560 --> 04:01:20,640
zoning bylaw 150-85

4352
04:01:20,640 --> 04:01:24,319
18.4 4 bylaw to designate the property

4353
04:01:24,319 --> 04:01:30,239
known as 3,250 Beaverdale Road. 18.5

4354
04:01:30,239 --> 04:01:32,720
bylaw to designate the property known as

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04:01:32,720 --> 04:01:35,439
197 West River Road.

4356
04:01:35,439 --> 04:01:37,439
18.6

4357
04:01:37,439 --> 04:01:39,840
bylaw to designate the property known as

4358
04:01:39,840 --> 04:01:44,000
61 Cambridge Street. 18.7

4359
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:46,800
bylaw to exempt part lot control part of

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04:01:46,800 --> 04:01:49,600
block 1158M

4361
04:01:49,600 --> 04:01:55,040
hy-en 720 hyphen Sage Drive 18.8

4362
04:01:55,040 --> 04:01:56,800
bylaw to amend the city of Cambridge

4363
04:01:56,800 --> 04:02:00,160
official plan 2012.

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04:02:00,160 --> 04:02:01,840
>> Thank you councelor Ernshaw. We will do

4365
04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:04,720
that vote now.

4366
04:02:04,720 --> 04:02:11,590
Opening voting.

4367
04:02:11,600 --> 04:02:13,840
Closing voting.

4368
04:02:13,840 --> 04:02:16,319
That carries unanimously.

4369
04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:17,680
>> Next order of business is the

4370
04:02:17,680 --> 04:02:20,160
confirmatory bylaw. Councelor Kimson,

4371
04:02:20,160 --> 04:02:26,150
you have that one.

4372
04:02:26,160 --> 04:02:27,920
» Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. Moved by

4373
04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:30,399
myself and seconded by councelora.

4374
04:02:30,399 --> 04:02:32,720
recommendation that the bylaw to confirm

4375
04:02:32,720 --> 04:02:34,640
the proceedings of the council of the

4376
04:02:34,640 --> 04:02:36,399
corporation of the city of Cambridge be

4377
04:02:36,399 --> 04:02:38,239
passed.

4378
04:02:38,239 --> 04:02:39,840
>> Thank you. And the clerk will take that

4379
04:02:39,840 --> 04:02:40,720
vote.

4380
04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:46,150
>> Opening voting.

4381
04:02:46,160 --> 04:02:48,560
» Closing voting.

4382
04:02:48,560 --> 04:02:53,830
That carries unanimously.

4383
04:02:53,840 --> 04:02:55,680
» Councelor Cooper, you have the motion of

4384
04:02:55,680 --> 04:02:58,800
the night.

4385
04:02:58,800 --> 04:03:00,720
>> Thank you very much.

4386
04:03:00,720 --> 04:03:02,880
the adjournment moved by me, seconded by

4387
04:03:02,880 --> 04:03:04,479
council Hamilton, that the council

4388
04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:10,560
meeting does now adjourn at 10:05 p.m.

4389
04:03:10,560 --> 04:03:13,359
>> Thank you everyone for a very energetic

4390
04:03:13,359 --> 04:03:15,279
debate tonight. There was some good work

4391
04:03:15,279 --> 04:03:16,880
done here tonight. Good discussion

4392
04:03:16,880 --> 04:03:19,040
around the horseshoe. And we'll see you

4393
04:03:19,040 --> 04:03:21,680
on September 15th for the next Oh, I'm

4394
04:03:21,680 --> 04:03:23,680
sorry. I did it again, didn't I? I

4395
04:03:23,680 --> 04:03:24,960
haven't done that in a long time. We're

4396
04:03:24,960 --> 04:03:26,319
going to vote on that. We're not going

4397
04:03:26,319 --> 04:03:28,319
to sleep here tonight.

4398
04:03:28,319 --> 04:03:32,070
Opening voting,

4399
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closing voting.

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04:03:35,040 --> 04:03:37,439
Um, that carries a vote of 7 to2. Thank

4401
04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:38,319
you.

4402
04:03:38,319 --> 04:03:40,800
>> Oh, okay. Somebody wants to sleep here

4403
04:03:40,800 --> 04:03:43,600
tonight. Okay. Anyway, we'll see you on

4404
04:03:43,600 --> 04:03:46,680
the 15th.