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Thank you, City Clerk, please call the roll. Good afternoon Mayor Protem Jackson. Here. Council member King. Here. Mayor Morrison. Here. Council member Shoria. Here.

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And Council member Willis. Here. Council, all are here. Oh, five council members, thank you. Thank you to our city manager and city staff and all the members of the community who are joining us here today.

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Okay, so this is a special meeting, and we've got basically one item.

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We do have public participation, but prior to doing so council, just one before we approve

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the agenda as right nor were the amendments.

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When I point out a couple of things, based on my understanding is our city attorney, it's

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intended for him to be here.

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Once he gets here, caution, we don't want to really get into city business.

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We've got until the city attorney gets here, but obviously-

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In the parking lot, sorry.

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No, that's excellent.

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Thank you.

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Public participation is first.

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We've got, I think, nine, 10 cards here, assuming those go, three minutes, and then about

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a half an hour worth of public participation.

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we will then go into the item for action. Our city attorney does have another council meeting tonight.

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That's the first thing I wanted to point out. And then the second thing is that we do have representatives here

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who intend to speak, who need to leave it to PM. And so if we roll with public participation in the next few minutes,

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that would leave about 30 minutes for the representatives here to speak.

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And so it's always my intention to hear public participation before we take any action on items.

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But Councillors, there are any thoughts that we want to continue with the agenda as written,

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or would we want to potentially move public participation before any action,

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but maybe after the presentation and perhaps the public would appreciate being able to hear

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any presentation prior, so just open for any ideas.

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Can we know what the presentation regarding?

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Yes, session on the panel, I'm about to give some information out, but I want to explain

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it what I do it.

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It is about opportunities here within our city for coordination and collaboration with Sans Museum,

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So they're going to talk with us and they're they've got they've turned the facility and I've got this in order

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Rory it will make sense to you and I can get Council totally up to speed

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But it would be helpful for them since they have a prior commitment and I'd like to give them as much time

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So Council has the opportunity to

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To ask them as many questions as they may as

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You need

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some Mr. Mayor

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I have a short introduction, and then I want to pass document out and a presentation that

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I put together.

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And I'm sorry it's late I literally just finished it a few minutes ago.

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The way this is a card and that's why I want to make sure council is clear on how this

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is happened and just give our guests an opportunity to speak.

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How about this as an idea, since I have nine cards, if anyone would like to speak prior to

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presentation, let's give them the opportunity, and then those that want to hear the presentation

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and then speak, we could do public participation towards the end or before we take action

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on the item, basically open up to.

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That's good.

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So, just show a hands for those of you who know you've submitted cards, who would like to

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minimum? Are there any others? Excellent. Thank you. So, Council, now that we have an idea

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and of course, if you change your mind, you want to speak absolutely, I think we're

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fair to open that up, but we have nine cards, three of them, we'll like to speak. I don't

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know number four is to approve the agenda as written. I think the only change would be that

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we basically add another public participation after a presentation and so I think we could approve

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it as written. I don't, I think we need to insert a presentation after these initial three

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present or speak publicly and then we'll come back to public participation. Does that sound good?

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Thank you. So looking for a motion to, I think, approve as as written. I don't move to approve the agenda as written.

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I'll sign it.

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Okay, got a motion by Council Member Shorriak and a second by Council Member King.

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Any further discussion on item four? Seeing none, City Clerk.

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Mayor for Tim Jackson or Councilmember King for Mayor Morrison for Councilmember Shoryak for in

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The agenda approved as written as adopted five o which brings us now to our public participation

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But we by saw the the three hands that were raised the first one I have in that order was there four hands raised three. I have a

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Angela Raymond is the first card that I have, so please come forward, Mr. Raymond, and then I saw Mr. Pervelle.

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I see him, so Mr. Ginger Wolf, Swarez.

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Okay, yes.

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I'm Angela Raymond. I live at 704-8 civil court, number 202 Cape Canaveral.

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I've been a resident here since 2004.

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And I want to speak about the Cape Center. Why the Cape Center?

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not everything is based on a price tag.

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If it was the case, we would never have laid our

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eyes on a rodent in Paris or a David at the Ephesie Gallery in Florence, or even the

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16 Chapel in Rome. Artistic expression is an integral part of our humanity. The act of

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is uplifting for the spirit.

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Here in Cape Canaveral, we have a very intelligent electorate.

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You may not know we have a lot of artists and writers and poets.

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Only look around our city hall that proudly displays local artistic endeavors.

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The Cape Center created an opportunity for not only displaying art but also studying art.

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I can't draw a straight line, but I even went to a class with one of my neighbors who is extremely active.

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The poetry readings took place there once a month in our Cape Center. Poets came from all over

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Brevard County. Why? Because there was no other place for them to express the work that

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they swed and over. I admit that the marketing of this beautiful asset was lacking, but things

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take time. You take the average dentist starting out his business. And usually it takes 12 years

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dentist tell me to actually establish their clientele. The building will be totally paid for

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in February 2027 from the CRA funds. You're at the Louerm tax money. If we don't use it, we lose it.

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When I left office in December, 2023, we had 20.5% in reserves.

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Had we kept our millage rate consistent with rising costs, we would not have had a problem, paying our bills.

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The council knew there were issues from February 2025 and did nothing.

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If you want nice things, you have to pay for them.

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Mayor Capisey came here and told you the exact same thing.

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And Coco Beach sits at 5.9% for their knowledge rate.

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The BCA is a good fit for our Cape Center.

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However, we need to look at it.

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Thank you.

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I just wanted to say one other thing.

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The other things are baseball, diamond, our veterans park, our splash pad.

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Those things are for the residents, enjoyment, and we paid for them.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So Brad Pervelle?

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Yes, thank you.

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And while Mr. Pervelle's coming up, most people, I think, know the routine.

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When the light goes on, there's three minutes, the green light, yellow minutes, there's

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30 seconds left. We ask that you please close when the light does red and be

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so. Mr. Pavel. Hi, how's everyone doing today? I'm going to take a little

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different tact. We're talking about facilities and how they operate. I'm

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talking about the literally field. We are, get to the point.

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We had the

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If they could cut the grass at the little leaf field,

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the gout, the front desk goes,

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that if back, she comes out and says,

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no, insurance regulations.

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So if the little league cannot maintain the little league field,

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then this whole volunteer program is in the tank.

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Another issue with the little league field,

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we have a three to four inch gap

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between the skin of the field and the turf.

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Mr. Mayor, you understand from playing softball.

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If you have a gap like that,

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you can get a bed hop and that to break a kid's nose.

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That possibly can lead us open to a lawsuit

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if we don't maintain our field.

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Now, a little lead has requested new clay for the field.

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They will level the field.

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They will disperse the clay.

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All the city needs to do is spend $1,500 which was in the budget previously on a truckload of clay for the field.

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Our kids and we have 60 to 70 families that are playing on this field and the fall and more than that in the springtime.

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Our kids should not suffer because our city services can't maintain the field, their parks, etc.

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So maybe you can discuss this when we talk about facilities, more than happy to discuss it with any one of you about getting clay to put on the skin of our little league field.

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You spent $20,000 to put a concession stand in that has never been used.

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I urge you to spend $1,500 to put clay and I urge you to allow the little lead to volunteer

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and cut the grass.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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This ginger will swar us.

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Hey, hey.

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I'm here on behalf of the Provard Cultural Alliance, the Local Designated Arts Agency

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of 51 years. I'm here to say I still believe we are the right fit. We are a bridge in this society.

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I'm here for one reason only today to listen and to say we want to do good in this community.

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You might have noticed, we love this community, we bring energy, revitalization,

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and enthusiasm in a way that truly nothing else does. You might have noticed to our events recently

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went viral. We have so much energy behind us right now. Regarding the economic pressure you

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currently have, I would refer you to a study in the American for Arts, which suggested

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502.4 million in economic activity across seven counties in Central Florida. Regarding BCA,

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we have 27 locations currently for our art and public places program with hundreds of artists

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and 600,000 impressions per year.

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We serve 17 schools, 9,000 students.

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I can really tell the care and love you have for this community.

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And I just want to say, as you move forward, that care is shared.

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And I believe in you.

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And I believe you'll make the right decision for this community.

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Thank you.

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Was there another doctor, Roberts?

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You can go ahead and come forward.

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We'll make sure we collect your card afterwards.

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And as Dr. Roberts is coming up, was there any other people

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that would like to speak, Mr. Mejia. I see you. Thank you. Anyone else?

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Okay, good. Yes.

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This is more a question. I hope I'll have a chance to comment later, but I think

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and I'll appreciate the presentation today, but I did want to mention that I think the community,

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you know, we've got the BCA, we have Sands, we also have the Space Museum in Tadesville,

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we have the University of Central Florida that is offered to have incubators here. I just

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I think there is a myriad of opportunities here if we start opening this up, which I think was my perception that Council was wanting to do in this last meeting to consider different options.

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So I'm just mentioning, I know the same presentation today was terrific, but I do think there's some other opportunities that I hope the Council would consider if we've given that chance to enable those to be presented.

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So that's by me coming right now just to mention this science presentation in the context

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I would appreciate some of you looking at me beside being on your phone, Mr. Shoryak. You may not be interested in what I have to do with you, but I have to do with you.

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to say. Mr. Media, you'll address the chair. Thank you. Very well. Thank you, Mayor. You know what?

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I just think a lot of you people don't take a job serious. You all have personal agendas. That's

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my personal opinion. Some people may feel otherwise, but that's my personal opinion. We have people

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that own properties that profit off of. I'm going to leave that alone. You all chose to sell a few

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vehicles. You didn't do anything with the property, big parses of property that have some value.

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You chose to keep a brand new pickup truck for a gentleman that works part-time at C5

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That's the newest in the fleet that still maintains some value while you haven't chosen to do anything in that is

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Beyond me

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the grounds at C5 I walked there by there every morning on my way to the beach

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The plurable condition

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I don't know

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Someone needs to get their act together. Someone needs to make some decisions. Someone needs to guide some people out there that are doing the few things that are being done

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Just make some decisions already, you know, a BCA, they have a right opportunity to bring in,

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give some good exposure to the city, bring in some artists, bring in some traffic that maybe,

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you know, it has been marketed like that before, give these folks someone like that,

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an opportunity to do something and draw some value to this community.

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You all have shut down public amenities because of a spending problem, not an income problem.

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a spending problem. In the elections next week, and I just hope whoever occupies those seats

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thereafter are a little bit better at their jobs.

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Thank you. That's that you are all the cards.

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I have a misvisitant nominee. You want to speak please come forward.

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Okay. I have a misvisitant

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nominee for a 21-lake in the over-new Cape Canaveral,

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resident for over 30 years. I just want to set something straight, in my heart nobody here

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took any money.

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Okay, we as citizens and your citizens, we paid our taxes that you asked us to pay.

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Okay, and then someone, and it can't be this city manager, you know how much I like the old city manager.

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It can't be this city manager, but whether it was the city manager or people within individual departments,

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they each had a budget.

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People inside of City Hall spent the money.

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I'm not saying they took the money. The money was spent.

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And I'm hearing in the community that these people sitting in front of us spent the money.

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That's not true. We paid our taxes.

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We expect a level of community activities that were promised was to be there, and you people

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have to figure out how to get us back there.

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You didn't take anything, but help us get back there, and for you to think that these people

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did it, I'm sorry, that's not the case.

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I've lived here, I've watched these people.

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I yell at them when they're something to be able to, like I'm their grandmother, but I just

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want to say let's give them each their own respect and let's get something done. Let's stop

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defending why we're doing something instead let's do something okay you know I raise my

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head because I want something done sorry I'll talk again later thank you

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that concludes all the

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I have everyone out so you submitted a card.

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Mr. Dr. Guerrero, you'd like to speak now.

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Please come forward.

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I have it right here.

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Yes.

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Well, if you want to speak before the presentation,

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now as your term or time.

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Please come forward.

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Yes, sir. Thank you.

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Could I be in there, Morrison?

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Members of the council?

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and City Manager Torchbury. My name is Raymond Garubo. I'm a resident, volunteer, applicant,

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retired professor, and still an active researcher.

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I'm not here to advocate for or

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against any outcome today. I'd like to suggest, however, what would help the council reach

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understandable decision, whatever it decides.

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The item before you asked for direction for on C5, Nancy Hansen, and the Cape Center.

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I'd like to offer three observations.

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First, confidence in the city's fiscal decisions have been shaken, and rebuilding it will take some time.

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That makes it especially important that the numbers behind any decision be clear and open to review.

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Second, this council has a fair argument for acting now.

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The facilities need continuity and this council holds office until its successors are seated.

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There is an equally fair argument for caution.

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Some options, such as an O to your lease, would commit the city beyond this election.

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I'd ask the council to be clear about which parts of its direction are short-term and

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reversible and which are not.

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Third, I'd ask for evidence in a form of residence can follow for each facility, what it

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cost to operate now, what revenue it brings in, what each option would cost, and which

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source of money, pays.

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The option to discuss so far includes third-party operators,

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such as the Revard Cultural Alliance

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and the volunteer proposals residents have offered.

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Their savings estimates come from...

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Proposing parties, which is the reason to verify them. I'd also ask for attendance and usage data for each facility. Since county-wide studies describe the county, not these buildings or facilities.

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And since the natural question is how long this will take, I'd ask to have to tell us how long each item will require. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Dr. Rubo.

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These are all the cards I have.

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Just anyone else who'd like to speak, it's going to be a card this time.

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Seeing none, thank you all very much.

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We'll go ahead and close public participation.

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This item here, before I say item number six,

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is a priorities and facility operations provide direction

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to the city manager regarding immediate priorities

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for the continued operations of the C5,

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Nancy Hanson Recreational Facility and the Cape Center and Identify Options to ensure continuity of services and programs.

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Mayor Perth Tim Jackson requested this meeting.

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Thank you, the entire council is here today and with that, Mayor Perth Tim Jackson Floorgers.

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Thank you. As we had gone through our last meeting in regards to the Cape Center,

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It occurred to me that we as Council had not even set a priority as far as what building we want

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staff working with first.

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Now, and that's when I set this meeting, but what I have wanted to do, and I don't want

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to run out of time because we've got people that you need to hear if we're going to be

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open and listen to everything, and I want to go over this timeline quickly with you.

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So I'm going to pass that down for you and can you put that on the screen for me so that everyone in the audience can see this or in the chamber excuse me and I'm going to go through it pretty quickly, but this goes through, nope, not that one.

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the word dot that is,

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there we go.

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This is how this came about with me.

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I attended the League of Mayors meeting in July.

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It was scheduled originally for May and I attended the day of the ninth.

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And during that meeting I was able to speak with Colonel Chapman.

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I expressed an interest in sharing infrastructure information with the Colonel.

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And I asked him if there was any way we as a city could benefit from utilizing their civil engineering infrastructure information from their team, which is a federally funded team out of DC, very high level expertise.

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The reason I want to do that is to save our city, the civil engineering cost for us identifying

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how to shore up our infrastructure for the increased number of launches that they're going to incurred, they're coming.

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So I want to make sure our city is ready.

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The Council then gave me consensus to do that.

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And after that, we were trying to schedule a meeting in August that didn't occur.

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We did have a meeting in September that included the staff, and that meeting was, you'll

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see some of these back here, that meeting.

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We had myself, Zach, Ickles, Rich Davis, our city engineer, Largandy, this is on the

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second page for you.

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Largandy, Lisa Wilson, who had coordinated for us, was, I'm able to attend that day.

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So we went to that meeting on September 23rd on base, we took a base tour and the team was established for us to work together to move forward and sharing information with space force to ensure that we have the latest technology, the highest level of information sharing with the base and we need to be operationally ready with them.

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They have people that live here in our city and we have aging infrastructure, so that's what this meeting that I have was about.

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Now from that meeting on October 15th, I was invited to the space port of the future meeting at Patrick and City Attorney, I'm asking a question next because I research this.

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It is absolutely okay for us as elected officials to talk to other people within the community

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to forge relationships when Council has given you consensus.

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Council members are free to talk to constituents and interested parties.

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They're not just okay.

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Nothing to prohibits that under the law.

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Okay, thank you.

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I just want to make sure what I found is right.

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You know how research can be on the internet.

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So, I went to this meeting. During the meeting, I was really, I felt really honored to be seated

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in between Colonel Chapman and his civil, well, the director, executive director for SLD-45,

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which is our pace. We went through a presentation on infrastructure, which I'm gathering that

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information and we'll be getting that to staff with their plans at the base on how they're

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hardening their infrastructure. Now, the person that was sitting with me the executive

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director for SLD-45 meeting the base, he asked me to lunch and his group came to lunch with

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myself and my the person that asked for to me on to base and they just started discussing all

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the challenges with the space port of the future and all of the building and some of the

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challenges they had. They discussed the museums out there. They had discussed some of the future

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plans out there. And I made a comment. We've got some space here in Cape Canaveral. And from that,

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okay, so I made my meeting. I went to that meeting when I went on about my business. Then on the

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20 second, you'll see the next page, if you go to that, I set my meeting for today.

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And my meeting for today was, as council, let's discuss what we need to cover first.

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Why would I do that?

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Because of the fact that we have the community center where people are currently going.

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I was over there today, very impressive when the door opens at 10 o'clock in

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in a one all of the pickle mock courts are felt that was like wow so it's good to see that

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activity. Then so as we look as counsel and we discuss this today I had wanted to

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prioritize what our city manager and our staff handles first so that they can handle these

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things with success. I think we need to make sure and look at those facilities that have people utilizing them.

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Today, where there may be shortcomings.

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So, then I asked for our city manager and our clerk to set up a meeting, and we did. However, when we were talking on the meeting, the prior meeting, we had the question that was called. So we really didn't get to discuss this at that time. So I was wanting to discuss priorities.

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Now, on Thursday, October 22nd, I received a call from Race Sands. As seen below, he was

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expressing an interest in Cape View and, quote unquote, the Old Court House. You'll see

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those records on the next page. Those are from my cell phones voicemail. And the reason I'm

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doing this this way is we had a question last time as to how this card now wants you to realize,

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There's all a card after I set this meeting, so just so you know, so he's the son of the founder of

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Sands Museum. His father founded Sands Museum seven decades ago. He was also in instrumental and received

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phone calls from President John F. Kennedy saying we're going to build a Kennedy space center.

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So, Mr. Sands is someone that has history all over him all the way back to water areas even here.

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Now, he expressed interest, like I said in Kate, you and some of our other facilities.

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And this made me realize we do have people interested in our city.

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Now, our history is the space industry and it's going to go forward, I'm telling you

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I saw, you look at the plans and they are moving forward quickly with the progress

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at the space center.

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So Mr. Sands asked if his team could come over and tour the facilities.

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So, on Friday the 23rd, I went and spoke with our city manager and I coordinated a tour for those representatives and those representatives are the representatives here today

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and I'm going to get I'm going to get names here for you and just one side here we go.

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If my.

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So, we have Nathan Ducati.

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If y'all will come up, we'll let you speak next.

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I just wanted to make sure that they knew what had happened and how we got here because this

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was really fast even after our schedule and I'm meeting that this is a card and I think

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it's important for us as a community to hear their ideas and things like that nature.

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They went on a tour today. I was in attendance as well as our city manager and our

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assistant city manager and they took a look at our sites here in the city including

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and I want to give them the opportunity to speak.

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And with us, we have Ross Piper, Nathan Ducati, and Jim Thomas, each one of them will take

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a moment at the microphone so you guys can speak with them or hear what they have to say.

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Okay, thank you Mayor for Tim Jackson.

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Thank you all for having us.

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Mayor, thanks for having us here.

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Keith, for the tour earlier today.

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really just wanted to reach out and have an opportunity to come and introduce ourselves a little bit.

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We are working right now with the Sand Space History Museum.

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So I basically come from a background of construction and development.

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I was fortunate enough to be able to build those probably in club vacations over and across from

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Jettie Park a few years back.

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So I have built in this area.

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And then now I've been working with the whole group of the Sand Space History Museum

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to put together the design, put together the design team,

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the construction documents and the whole plan

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on how we can basically renovate that area

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and make something more out of it than it is now.

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So right now, it's a beautiful little museum,

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but we think it has the opportunity to really draw on

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what is happening with space in the space race

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that's upon us right now

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and all the different launch events

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that are gonna continue to increase

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and then offer opportunities for those spaces

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to be places where people can go

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engage, give them a longer amounts of time to stay on, you know, in this area, perhaps get into

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where this is even supporting the local hotel industry and then again, just bringing

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more tourism and more opportunity for events there.

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With that comes the same thing that we were discussing, the need for infrastructure improvements,

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the need for fundraising, and really the need for making sure that we honor the legacy of

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what this place is about.

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I think a lot of the earlier speakers did a great job.

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I think we should absolutely make sure that we're staying in the lane of supporting the arts.

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And really, from one of my big takeaways today was it was just so clear to me.

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Some of these facilities, we looked at the original elementary school.

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You know, what's really needed in addition to sort of spaces for people to gather is I think

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I think we'd be missing the mark if we didn't think about how do we continue to focus on education.

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And how do we educate all people from all ages with a heavy focus on trying to get the children involved?

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So I think that that's a great opportunity and a great opportunity to continue to grow and foster.

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I couldn't agree with you more in that through the arts and through using your hands, there's a great opportunity to learn and grow.

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And this community has was built upon supporting Cape Canaveral and supporting the space force.

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And it needs to remain in that role.

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And so I think there's an opportunity we haven't put this together yet.

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Today was our first time just really being on the ground and thinking about it through this lens.

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But I think there's a world in which we thread this needle and put this together so that we may be use some of those beautiful resources we have.

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that you guys have here to attract, to attract to the arts, to offer a vision about what this could be,

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to offer a vision to the people that are going to have to staff this growing space port over time.

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And I think there's a way that the Cape Canaver can be a part of the story.

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It's always been a part of and supplying our workforce.

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And the workforce is going to be needed there.

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We're already being told from every person that's a launch consultant there or a launch company there,

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or any fabricators that fabricates for these people, they cannot get enough people.

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So they could take as many jobs, high-tech, high-paying jobs as possible, be pushed

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in that direction, and we're right here adjacent to it with the opportunity to double-click

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on education and expansion.

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So that's kind of where my head went after today's meeting, but I've got a couple people

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with me that I was going to also ask to speak and just sort of give their take on the matter.

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more than anything, this was just we wanted you guys to know what we're doing and sort of thinking of and working on on the cape and then really just this being all of branch to say let's synergize and whatever we're doing there how can this become a feeder or a symbiotic relationship with that and I think there's a ton of opportunity and we just wanted to kind of introduce ourselves as potential partners to help and carry that flag.

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Thank you Mr. Dukati.

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This is your name. Is it Nathan Dukati? Nathan Dukati. And you are with, I'm with Tideline, consulting. Tideline, consulting, thank you so much, Mr. Dukati.

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Hello everyone. Thanks for having us. Ross Piper, Grace Design Studio's Architects. I'm lucky to be here today to towards facilities and kind of see what's going on.

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And I think Nathan hit it, you know, right on the head. I think creating opportunity for all ages from children to older adults to the aging population, creating something that wants

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And it's part of this community and people want to come here to use to learn to grow and

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You know, we're gonna sort of have what's gonna come next

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But just want to introduce myself Ross Piper and sort of the architect on the team. So thank you

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Mr. Piper. You said Ross Piper with Grace Designs consulting

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Grace Designs studios architects one more time. I'm sorry Ross Piper with Grace Designs studios design studios. Thank you, Mr. Piper

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Mr. Mayor, council, Jim Thomas, I'm with the U.S. Space Force Historical Foundation,

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and the Foundation supports the Space Force Museum, and that's the Mayor of Pro Tem had several

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conversations with, with Space Force. We support the activities that the Space Force can't

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spend money on at the base and around and around the base. That foundation was formed.

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are the museum was formed in the early 60s. The foundation was created in the late 80s to support

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those museum activities. It's just amazing what we've seen. The base had its first launch

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in 1950 so we celebrated this last year the 75th anniversary of launch and it was in time that we

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could reflect back on what had happened as we look forward to what is going to happen and we're

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going to do some major renovations and build-outs on the most historic site that we have

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out there, which was our first satellite, which was 1958, and then our first astronaut

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to go to space Alan Shepherd in 1961. We have a 67 acre plot out there that we're going to build

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a major experience on, and then the Sam's property, which is also on the Space Force property

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But outside of the security fence, we're going to build a major facility there as well.

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That's really a community asset.

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And so we wanted to be here today to say that we want to be good neighbors.

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We want what we do out there to be a great benefit to the city of Cape Canaveral.

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And we had loved with all of the facilities and the changes.

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And how do we look at this growth as an opportunity?

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That that serves the community.

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I live here in this community and I want to see the growth that is coming.

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You know, it is, it can be disruptive and not everybody loves to see more rocket launches but we have an opportunity to really grow with it and to make sure that these become assets and really, you know, serve not just the tourist population but, but our, you know, local citizens.

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00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:49,180
We'd love to invite the council and staff to come out and see our facilities ideally in, you know, November or December and really to get your feedback on what we're doing.

428
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:51,260
and what you think we could,

429
00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:53,000
how we could even better collaborate

430
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,480
as the collective cape that we are.

431
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,120
So thank you for having us today,

432
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,300
and it's great to be with you.

433
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:00,260
Thank you, Mr. Thomas,

434
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:03,640
and it was with the Space Force Historical Foundation.

435
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,820
We appreciate you.

436
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:07,620
Mr. Dukati, Mr. Piper, Mr. Thomas,

437
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:08,980
thank you all very much.

438
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:09,480
Appreciate it.

439
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,300
Great to be with you.

440
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,580
Mayor Perth, Tim Jackson.

441
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,540
Can I give up one of your ideas?

442
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:15,840
I just thought it was great.

443
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,920
I love this.

444
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,120
on astronaut physical program for the kids at C5.

445
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,100
I just thought that would be the coolest thing

446
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:28,780
because we're the city that had John Glenn running down our beach.

447
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:32,360
That was his spot where he worked out before.

448
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,720
I just think that's really an awesome idea,

449
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:38,600
but they had some creative thinking going on today as they turned.

450
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:40,540
Thank you so much.

451
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Mr. Mayor, do we have an opportunity to ask questions of our guests?

452
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:53,940
I think it would, Mr. Piper Thomas and Dekati, I understand you'll need to leave.

453
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:57,660
Councilmember King wanted to ask a question if you'd.

454
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,340
Do you have a five more minutes?

455
00:41:59,680 --> 00:41:59,700
Okay.

456
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:00,680
Thank you.

457
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:01,340
Mr. Mayor.

458
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:02,800
Okay.

459
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,880
First of all, I think your ideas are amazing.

460
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,240
Absolutely amazing.

461
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:13,100
And I recall US space camp out there was at 407 heading out toward you.

462
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,400
And that was very, very popular in its day.

463
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:21,600
Do you envision something like that happening here utilizing one of our facilities?

464
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:25,060
I eat perhaps the KPU Elementary School building?

465
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,520
I think that the opportunities we interact with the industry so much.

466
00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:35,260
And they are asked, the industry is begging for people to fill those jobs.

467
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:40,520
And it's just, to me, it's a shame if we have to recruit people from outside of our community

468
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:46,360
to take those well well-paid jobs, and that should be not just, you know, our high school students and college age students,

469
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:54,760
but I think that that type of prosperity needs to flow into our community, and those, those opportunities are there,

470
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,880
but a lot of time, as Nathan was saying, it takes specialized training for that.

471
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,360
I know O'Galley High School has a great program.

472
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:07,240
I met with the coordinator of that, and, you know, they're doing 20, 30, 40 kids at a time.

473
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,000
And I think there's a real opportunity to do that.

474
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,560
We obviously, you know, the school, the elementary school was shut down and to see that

475
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,840
repurposed into something that could really service the community would just be a wonderful

476
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,600
thing to have happen.

477
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:31,360
So there's an opportunity here, it seems, to collaborate between the arts community and the

478
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,420
science community.

479
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:39,380
Now, talking about the KPU Elementary School, assuming that we get to hang on to it, depending

480
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:45,400
on what the county decides, is there any other opportunity that you see with any of the facilities

481
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:52,360
you visited today, where you could plug in and utilize it to expand what you're already doing

482
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,820
out there at the Cape?

483
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,840
Well, I think, and that's why I would love to invite Council and staff out to come and see

484
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,940
what we're doing. The property that we have at the Sands History Center, one of the proposals

485
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:10,340
is to flatten those buildings and to build a great new facility. And our history center

486
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:16,780
is going to need to go somewhere, during those years, probably take two or three years to build

487
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:23,500
that. So I think seeing the facilities that we did today and evaluating if that's something

488
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:28,740
that the community wants to see and something that is viable is a great conversation for us

489
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:34,520
have over the weeks to come, but certainly was very excited by what we saw today and the potential

490
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:40,400
to add growth and prosperity to the city.

491
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:44,560
Now, you probably understand that we've also been talking with the Brevard Cultural Alliance.

492
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
I know them and very supportive of them.

493
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:55,260
And I think that intersection of steam, skills, and science, and growth, but coupled with

494
00:44:55,260 --> 00:45:00,420
arts is is a wonderful intersection. Then you'd be pretty much answer to my question because I'm wondering.

495
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,340
If there's an opportunity for some collaboration between the two entities and that the facility that we're looking at may be housing them again would be complementary to what you're trying to do.

496
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960
It would be a shame not to collaborate.

497
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,140
All right, thank you. Thank you.

498
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:17,620
Thank you very much.

499
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:19,640
My pleasure. Any other questions?

500
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:25,580
Excellent. My question as well. Council, any other questions for representatives here today?

501
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:28,140
Thank you all very much. We appreciate you taking time.

502
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:37,020
and I think coordinating with our city manager and our team here on the opportunity to go

503
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:41,600
tour is something this council could consider. Again, thank you all very much.

504
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,300
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

505
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:52,510
Mayor Pertum Jackson.

506
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:59,970
Now we're really back to the presentation that I'd put together and it's really simply a slide

507
00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:04,050
because I inserted those. Yes. Okay, so I just received

508
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:09,690
if you'll put that up in the middle point. Yeah, so really my

509
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:13,310
original intent was just we need to set some goals.

510
00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:18,450
And we first staff and we need to set the priorities because we have

511
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:22,950
these facilities and some of these facilities are absolutely

512
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:28,710
active right now. And so we have our community that are working

513
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:37,210
around these things and we need to, as a council, in my opinion, and hopefully yours as well.

514
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:39,230
Let's set the priorities for them.

515
00:46:39,310 --> 00:46:41,330
What building do we want to work on first?

516
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:50,070
I know that since last March we had discussed looking at service providers for the C5, do we

517
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:51,430
want to still do that?

518
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:57,770
Do we want to look at how the, oh thank you, do we want to look at,

519
00:46:57,770 --> 00:47:06,970
But whether it self-serve, whether we have service providers, do we want to take RFPs on that.

520
00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:12,470
It's important that no matter what we do with any of these sites that we're going through

521
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:16,810
the city's procurement process, which is defined in our city code.

522
00:47:17,610 --> 00:47:24,830
And so as we have our discussions, we've got Nancy Hanson, and I'm sure our city manager

523
00:47:24,830 --> 00:47:29,910
can give us any updates as to how things are going because I know they were working on things.

524
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:37,850
But for me, it was, let's take a look at what our priorities are and set those so that

525
00:47:37,850 --> 00:47:43,710
staff knows what direction to go in first. That's what you do in any transition in business.

526
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:48,770
And that way they can work on that and get that one tackled and then move to the next.

527
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:54,030
That was my thought. And I'm open to whatever council would like to do.

528
00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:56,770
but that was the original intent of this meeting.

529
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:58,890
And then all the rest of that happens.

530
00:48:00,970 --> 00:48:01,610
That's great.

531
00:48:01,730 --> 00:48:02,670
Thank you.

532
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:06,490
I think, and we have some remaining public participation

533
00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:07,790
cards as well.

534
00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:11,090
And so we've sort of opened public participation,

535
00:48:11,350 --> 00:48:13,670
allocated time for that presentation.

536
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:17,490
Thank you, Mayor Pertem, for the overview.

537
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:21,410
And I think you said that agenda.

538
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:29,530
At this time Council, I think, do we want to hear the remaining public participation cards that we have less?

539
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:35,530
Okay, so the order that I have is that's remaining Melissa Bass,

540
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,260
please come forward.

541
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:53,980
Hi everybody, I'm Melissa Bass, two, four, eight, coral drive and just first would like to clarify.

542
00:48:53,980 --> 00:49:00,840
I, the guys that were just here were talking about the use of KPU elementary, has something

543
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,480
changed with who controls that property, because that's the county, they go to school board

544
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,980
if they want to use that building, right?

545
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:20,700
And also I would like to understand the idea of sharing facilities, especially something like

546
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:27,460
cap center which is not a really large and these guys sound large like they're

547
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:32,300
going to swallow a sweet little BCA that I really want here by the way I paint

548
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:38,770
I like art I want them here I'm on that team but I just I think we might be

549
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:47,540
getting all over the place again I just want to focus in and solve one

550
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:48,760
problem at a time.

551
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:56,700
Like, we've got the VCA here, which seems like if you could create an entity to take over

552
00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:01,260
that place, the Cape Center, and do it better than we did it, that's them.

553
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:06,260
And these other people, if they have great things to bring to the city, although they sounded

554
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:11,480
very tourist minded, talking hotels and stuff, there are a few things that concern me,

555
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:12,140
I can't really read.

556
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,380
Okay, one minute.

557
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:21,860
And so, like if they want the elementary school, that's great, but that's a different thing.

558
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:27,760
I just, I feel like, again, we're getting tangled up and we're not focusing on the issue

559
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:36,840
and taking the lifeboats coming at us, like, can we stop circling and waiting and just take the gifts we are given

560
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,860
and make some good happen here, please.

561
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:43,620
I appreciate all of you, I know you're doing your best, and I want to work to get.

562
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,740
Thank you, Miss Beth.

563
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:50,900
Betsy Ronk.

564
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:03,030
Betsy Ronk.

565
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:05,190
7-0-4-8 civil accord.

566
00:51:06,350 --> 00:51:09,670
And I want to address the issue of volunteerism.

567
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:14,770
I'm currently on the Culture and Leadership Services Advisory Board for the City, and I've been

568
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:16,430
that way for the past three years.

569
00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:22,010
And during that time, most of the discussion of the Board centered on services offered and revenue

570
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:24,750
cost structure for the C5 and Nancy Hansen.

571
00:51:25,610 --> 00:51:30,270
It was obvious that council meetings in the past months that residents were very passionate about

572
00:51:30,270 --> 00:51:34,290
wanting to maintain the level of services that were offered at both facilities.

573
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:40,110
But with a decrease in city staffing after October 1st, the level of service at both facilities

574
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:41,050
has changed.

575
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:46,630
But based upon all the residents who spoke so passionately about the need for keeping these

576
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:51,990
services, now is the time for all of them to step up and help by becoming part of the

577
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:58,250
volunteer community that I feel the city can and should adopt. I know this is something that is

578
00:51:58,250 --> 00:52:03,390
outside of the wheelhouse of the city manager and the remaining staff and it was as it was

579
00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:09,690
rarely needed to use volunteers in the past. But then why should they have had to when there was

580
00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:15,070
always plenty of staff? But now is the time when new and different ways of operating need to be

581
00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:21,630
discovered and thinking outside the typical government box is needed. As the city considers and

582
00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:27,450
designs of volunteer program which I recommend that they do, I ask them to look at the

583
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:29,650
model used at our own Cape Canaveral Hospital.

584
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,320
I volunteered there for the past five years and have contributed more than 600 hours in several departments.

585
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:43,960
The model has been developed there as one that has shown to work smoothly and has saved the hospital millions of dollars in personnel costs.

586
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,960
The hospital model gives volunteers substantial authority while maintaining high expectations for the quality of their work.

587
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:55,240
Volunteers take great pride in serving the community and supporting the patient population.

588
00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:00,700
Cape Canaveral could foster the same mindset by emphasizing that volunteers are giving back

589
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:05,760
to their fellow residents while helping contribute to the cost savings for the city.

590
00:53:06,340 --> 00:53:10,940
The hospital has one volunteer coordinator for approximately 200 volunteers.

591
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:16,920
The coordinator for the city could be filled by either a volunteer or utilizing just a few

592
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,180
hours of a city staff member's time.

593
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:25,100
A successful volunteer program could help maintain the facilities, collect the usage fees,

594
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:29,920
at both facilities which they're not doing today in accordance with the current fee schedule

595
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,300
and keep the facilities fully open until a long-term solution is identified.

596
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,440
The revenue collected could help to offset the maintenance costs.

597
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:44,160
I have many ideas on how the aspects of a successful volunteer program can be adapted to work

598
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,240
here at our two facilities and I would be more than happy to volunteer my time to help

599
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,520
to establish the city's volunteer program,

600
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,080
drawing on my experience with the current program used at health first.

601
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,480
I thank you for your attention today.

602
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,280
Thank you.

603
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:04,180
Mr. Dan Kun.

604
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:16,810
Dan Kun.

605
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:17,810
Two, two, six.

606
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:18,650
Polka Avenue.

607
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:22,790
Don't know where to start on this raid, but that's okay.

608
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:25,010
It was been quite a circus here.

609
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:27,630
We got everybody coming in.

610
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:32,190
All of a sudden wanted to do something we gave you.

611
00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:34,330
all of a sudden, want to do something to Cape Center?

612
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:35,970
OK, whatever.

613
00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:41,310
We got a great offer from BCA, and we can't even take it.

614
00:54:41,810 --> 00:54:44,110
None of these offers has said anything.

615
00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:48,350
Anywhere near is detailed is what BCA has given us.

616
00:54:48,970 --> 00:54:52,590
We have a construction company, want to come in and build.

617
00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:56,650
We have an architect, want to come in and build.

618
00:54:56,650 --> 00:55:00,770
And we have the Space Center Air Force

619
00:55:00,770 --> 00:55:04,450
Sands wants the store stuff here for a while

620
00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:06,450
Until they get their museum back out there

621
00:55:06,450 --> 00:55:09,150
And I didn't sound like we want to come here

622
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:10,890
And be a part of this community

623
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:13,070
Like BCA is saying

624
00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:16,150
No, that's we want to store stuff here

625
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:18,350
So, continue the charade

626
00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:22,290
My big point here that I wanted to stand up and say is

627
00:55:22,290 --> 00:55:25,090
We have this special council meeting

628
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:33,090
It took a lot of effort to bring this together, it took some money, it took some time, it's taken everybody's time, and we have one topic here.

629
00:55:34,550 --> 00:55:36,370
What about the report?

630
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:40,170
The Bavar County Sheriff's Report, that's finalized.

631
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:48,910
This would be a perfect opportunity for you to have rolled that out to the community and discussed it prior to us voting.

632
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:54,610
A good portion of this community has already voted in early voting in mail in and we'll never

633
00:55:54,610 --> 00:56:00,150
get to see that information until after it's out and they're done.

634
00:56:01,630 --> 00:56:02,810
What's the deal here?

635
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:11,650
You said yourself, it's finalized, it's done, why can't we see it before the election?

636
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:12,630
Thank

637
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,700
you Mr. Clinton, Elvis and how many?

638
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,860
Elvis, down many 421 Lincoln Avenue, Cape Canaveral.

639
00:56:33,740 --> 00:56:37,120
I think we really have a kind of a cut and dry thing.

640
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,680
I think the citizens all want the BCA.

641
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:45,840
They want the facilities run basically, even the way they run.

642
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:48,860
Yes, we can't add volunteers like that one said, which is perfect.

643
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:53,980
But we don't want to change them into a temporary museum or something else.

644
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:56,280
If they want to go to elementary school, that's fine.

645
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,240
But I know we have no power over that.

646
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:06,260
We said it when the school was closed, but I think if you listen to the people that are here we want the BCA.

647
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,480
I just don't understand why we're looking for other options.

648
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,500
They will willing to do the Friday Fest, which is also in lieu of, let's say, your rent that we're worried about getting.

649
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:23,300
That's going to probably make some way between $1500 to $2,000 a month.

650
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,360
That will more than offset anything else that you can probably rent that too.

651
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,840
and it will be a permanent thing in this community.

652
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Let's do it.

653
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,380
Thank you, Mr. Vistnamony.

654
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,540
And the last card I have is Ms. Quinnell and Hagar.

655
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,200
Ms. Hagar is coming up.

656
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,700
Please, we ask that you submit your card so that you're heard.

657
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:53,800
I am going to one Hagar, 509, Washington.

658
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,600
And I just want to give a shout out to Dune and her team for the wonderful job they're doing.

659
00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:01,880
Keeping our lawns cut and manicured well.

660
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,120
I went by Benix Park today and I can't say enough about how beautiful

661
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:10,740
beautiful it looks today and I'll be working with Amy to create a little clean up crew just

662
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:16,040
to go through again and take out branches and things of that nature to keep our parks beautiful

663
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:23,880
for everybody and I also want to add that I think a collaboration between VCA and Space Force

664
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:30,220
takes us into the future. I think that both partners have a lot to offer us and I think between

665
00:58:30,220 --> 00:58:36,860
expertise between those two teams and plus the residents of our city could really put something

666
00:58:36,860 --> 00:58:41,480
together beautiful to take us into the future. Thank you. Thank you.

667
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:44,640
I just got a card

668
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,520
leave this an omni.

669
00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:48,690
Thank you, Miss Hagar.

670
00:58:56,970 --> 00:59:08,390
This is a 24-21 Lincoln Avenue Cape Canaveral. I also am in favor of a

671
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:13,550
The board cultural lines took it over, take, for instance, Friday Fest.

672
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:20,630
There was some kind of talk about, they would take it over, they would help facilitate it.

673
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:27,670
But then the money they got saved for the booths that people have for Friday Fest, they

674
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:34,870
run between $45 and $65, they would collect that money and return it back to the city

675
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:37,490
or to a program within the city.

676
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:39,550
That's a couple of thousand dollars.

677
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:41,810
You have to think of that.

678
00:59:41,810 --> 00:59:43,090
That is their rent.

679
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:46,930
Your people in your city, one Friday fest.

680
00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:49,930
We can't have it because we overspent money.

681
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:52,110
We can have Friday fest.

682
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:53,710
Our electric bill will be paid.

683
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:55,230
Our water bill will be paid.

684
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:57,530
Everybody will be a little bit happier.

685
00:59:58,210 --> 01:00:00,430
I recommend that a program for...

686
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,320
For volunteers, I've worked with the Cape Canaveralite House since the 90s. We have a program. You go in, you sign in. You make your own

687
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:19,920
hours. You have over 300 volunteers. Just very much like the hospital. It runs smoothly. And it is all volunteer. Nobody

688
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:29,220
gets paid. As far as going out to that space. And I go out once a twice a week. It's huge. They have so much

689
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:36,000
going on. If you don't know, go visit it. But right now, let's save our city. Let's save Friday

690
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:43,220
Fest. Let's save the community that we all love and vote for a PCI please. May I ask

691
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:44,180
you? Thank you.

692
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:50,900
Mr. Prevella, I'm assuming that you want to speak again.

693
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:54,660
I'm assuming you want

694
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:57,980
to speak again. Is that what the card was? Okay, just make sure. Is there anyone else

695
01:00:57,980 --> 01:01:05,040
I'd like to speak. Okay. Okay. I need to take a recess here shortly, but I want to make sure we get through them all, so thank you.

696
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:15,180
Mr. Mayor, thanks very much for allowing me. Now I'm speaking as chairman of the C&L board, as my vice chairman came up and let me correct one thing.

697
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:24,100
We are collecting funds at the C5 building. We are not taking annual memberships, but we are taking in daily funds.

698
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:28,320
So let me correct everyone on that and bring everyone up to speed.

699
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,300
Nancy Hansen is a free facility that is correct.

700
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:36,420
Lastly, as one gentleman said,

701
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:42,560
the citizens are kind of in favor of the BCA coming into our Cape Center.

702
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:47,620
You're all say, we listen to the citizens.

703
01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:52,120
I implore you, listen to the citizens.

704
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Thanks. Thank you very much. Please take your receipts.

705
01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:56,760
Thank you.

706
01:01:59,030 --> 01:02:01,010
Dr. Roberts, do you like to speak?

707
01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:09,910
Yes, I think it's important. We finish public participation and we'll come back and get to the item and thank you all for your time today.

708
01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:14,730
This will be real quick.

709
01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:21,930
This is more of a Shannon Roberts. It's of no three Solana Shores Drive here in the city.

710
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:39,730
I just wanted to make an announcement that we're having a meet and greet for all the council candidates at the Redis and this Thursday from 5 to 7 and I just want to make sure that we acknowledge this with council staff and also the community that's present and certainly welcome everybody to come.

711
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:49,950
It's not sponsored per se by a new physical group. It's trying to help support with the legal women voters usually does to have a candidate for them since we couldn't schedule that.

712
01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:56,670
We thought we would provide a forum where the community could meet and greet the candidates that are running.

713
01:02:57,210 --> 01:03:03,090
And it will be the format will be such that each candidate will give a two minutes to introduce themselves in their platform.

714
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:13,490
And then there will be tables for each candidate will be there for the members of the community to go to those tables and ask any questions, discuss concerns, suggestions and that type of thing.

715
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:17,070
So I just wanted to invite you all to come and obviously the community.

716
01:03:17,070 --> 01:03:20,950
and thank you for the opportunity to lead our city,

717
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:23,830
the way you are and invite the input as you are doing.

718
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:25,050
Thank you.

719
01:03:25,050 --> 01:03:26,150
Thank you, Dr. Roberts.

720
01:03:30,610 --> 01:03:32,930
Anyone else who'd like to speak during public participation?

721
01:03:33,830 --> 01:03:34,790
Again, thank you all.

722
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:38,290
I know it's afternoon and we have a great community coming together

723
01:03:38,290 --> 01:03:41,070
to collaborate during this council with that.

724
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:42,230
We're a little over an hour now.

725
01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:44,030
Let's take at least a five minute recess.

726
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:47,310
We'll reconvene and get to the single action item we've had.

727
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:48,770
Thank you.

728
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,820
I will get started here in about a minute. As everyone gets settled in,

729
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:47,040
Friday it is 222 p.m. I call the meeting back to order. We are in our October 27 special meeting here. We just took a recess and we finished the agenda items public participation.

730
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:55,080
We were we broke and received a presentation did some questions and then opened back up to present public participation

731
01:19:55,080 --> 01:20:03,340
And now we are really I think at item number six, which is the item for action that I read earlier and

732
01:20:03,340 --> 01:20:10,640
Just to reiterate it's to provide direction to the city manager regarding immediate priorities for the continued operation of the C5

733
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:17,000
Nancy Hansen Recreational Facility in Cape Center and identify opportunities to ensure continuity

734
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,860
of services and programs.

735
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,300
Mayor Perthum Jackson, just want to say thank you for calling the meeting and scheduling

736
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:25,760
this.

737
01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:31,220
And most importantly, I want to thank our entire community for the public participation and

738
01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:35,240
the collaboration that we've had today.

739
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:43,980
Mayor Perthem, is there anything else that at this point that you need to cover or what's your recommendation from here?

740
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:51,380
Well, I just want to counsel's discussion because I know that we've got, I've had citizens come to me,

741
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:58,280
given me feedback that with Nancy Hanson, because we're free and open on the play,

742
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:04,240
that people from all over the county are coming and our citizens can't get on the court,

743
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,160
so I've had people express that to me.

744
01:21:07,940 --> 01:21:17,060
I've had with the C5 people asking me, why if I come on November 5th and pay my membership

745
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:23,000
that I'm only, I'm paying a month membership and I'm only getting three weeks because

746
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,820
I didn't pay exactly on the first, I don't think that's fair.

747
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:36,540
So I'm hearing these things coming to me from our community that goes to these sites, and

748
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:39,360
there's those things that need to be addressed.

749
01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:44,960
Now, understand, we're having our volunteer meeting, going, you know, coming up soon and

750
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:52,040
early November, and I'm happy that that's going to happen, but I thought getting an update

751
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:59,140
from our city manager and then when you're a leader in a company that's going through a transition

752
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:07,820
as the board or the directors or whatever, you give your staff and the people that are working

753
01:22:07,820 --> 01:22:13,980
with you on your team, clear goals and guidelines as to what you want covered first and that

754
01:22:30,940 --> 01:22:43,820
So I thought it would be wise for us as a board to define those after we discussed it on what council thinks is most important to be attacked first.

755
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:53,180
And if that is something that everyone's interested in doing, then that's what this meeting was, that's the reason I call this meeting.

756
01:22:53,180 --> 01:22:55,820
Thank you very much.

757
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,020
Council.

758
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,960
Council member Willis.

759
01:22:59,220 --> 01:23:04,980
I think the first priority would be to finalize the volunteer program.

760
01:23:05,620 --> 01:23:12,560
Get that ironed out, solidified so that we know what the responsibilities are, what can

761
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,220
happen, what needs special attention.

762
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:27,880
As a 1A to that, I think we should have somebody like BCAA in the CAPE Center as well, but getting

763
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:35,720
the volunteer program final solid, everyone understands the role and the responsibilities

764
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:42,960
that they have, I think, this wrong brought up an excellent model for us to use, and I would

765
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,440
to see that expedited.

766
01:23:47,540 --> 01:23:48,760
Thank you.

767
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,100
Mr. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I'm also going to

768
01:23:56,100 --> 01:24:03,540
Hagar has established the Cape Canaveral Main Street. She has had a meeting

769
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:10,080
already. She set up the 501-3C. They have a steering committee for events and

770
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:16,740
a steering committee for volunteers, for the different defense and people that

771
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:24,600
have signed up, and I believe she'll be in that meeting as well, and I agree with Council Member

772
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:31,520
Willis that volunteering, you know, finalizing that is important, but I will say this.

773
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:38,280
Whatever council decides on the Caves Center, you know, it's one, I'm a one-of-five decision.

774
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:45,380
But the question I have is, are we going to go through our procurement process per our city

775
01:24:45,380 --> 01:24:48,160
have, are we just going to award a contract?

776
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:52,820
Because I did look that up, because I want

777
01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:58,820
to make sure I'm doing the right thing. And there's a process to this. So I want to make

778
01:24:58,820 --> 01:25:07,120
sure we're doing the right thing. And so what is correct with this situation and that

779
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:14,280
not even be better said for you for your city attorney? I don't know. But I want to make sure

780
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,300
where he's in the process to find my city code.

781
01:25:20,410 --> 01:25:21,530
If I can interject.

782
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:28,330
I think that the city attorney already gave us his opinion on that earlier on when he said that

783
01:25:28,330 --> 01:25:37,990
this did not require a proposal or bid for proposal or et cetera, because of the CRA connection with it.

784
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:44,010
And maybe our city attorney can make that clear.

785
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:45,070
Thank you.

786
01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:52,170
And I'm wondering because what I read in the CRA, you can't do building maintenance with it.

787
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:56,850
So, I want to make sure we have all these things to find, and that we're doing legally,

788
01:25:57,490 --> 01:26:03,070
the prudent thing, that we're not doing something, and I know we've got to get sitting here just so I'm not telling you anything,

789
01:26:03,530 --> 01:26:06,550
but I want to understand it as someone that's voting on it.

790
01:26:06,610 --> 01:26:09,690
That's why I've said it all along and have questions, and I do.

791
01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:17,850
because the CRA indicates building maintenance is not something that's covered, so I would

792
01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:28,230
like to, you know, get some more definition on how it's covered between the CRA contract

793
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:36,710
and our code and make sure that we are not supposed to move forward with more than one

794
01:26:36,710 --> 01:26:40,990
But I think it's prudent to go ahead and get more vendors.

795
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:43,970
It's not like that building's on fire.

796
01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:48,830
Let's get and make a sound decision because having one vendor

797
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:54,530
is to me is never the way that you do things with a contract.

798
01:26:55,050 --> 01:26:57,410
Now that doesn't mean, like I said before,

799
01:26:57,730 --> 01:27:00,010
I don't want to accommodate DCA.

800
01:27:00,130 --> 01:27:02,390
I think the arts is a wonderful thing.

801
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:05,030
I have certain things within the arts community.

802
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:12,650
I love. We all have our certain things. But I think that we need to make sure we're being

803
01:27:12,650 --> 01:27:22,010
prudent. We have space and buildings available, but this building is $500 a square foot almost

804
01:27:22,010 --> 01:27:27,690
in the cost of it. And we need to make, and it's the building that we would make, be able

805
01:27:27,690 --> 01:27:34,430
to make money on to help fund some of these things that we're wanting to do.

806
01:27:34,430 --> 01:27:41,070
So that's all I have to say, Mr. Mayor, I just want to make sure that we are following

807
01:27:41,070 --> 01:27:47,630
our process as right, we're looking at options, because I'm not accustomed to making

808
01:27:47,630 --> 01:27:50,910
a so-contract decision on one contract.

809
01:27:52,450 --> 01:27:53,590
Thank you.

810
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,340
Any other comments at this time?

811
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:05,260
I'd like to see is all three facilities that RFP or whatever kind of solicitation we have

812
01:28:05,260 --> 01:28:09,580
get proposals and just see what else is out there before we do anything.

813
01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:13,060
Whether it's one organization has all three or three separate ones.

814
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:20,280
Let's put up an RFP and see what there's any other interest in the facilities.

815
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:26,020
I'm City Attorney, can you clarify for us where we are with this?

816
01:28:26,020 --> 01:28:32,380
Where we stand with this building that was built with CRA renovated with CRA funds and does

817
01:28:32,380 --> 01:28:40,520
the same rule applies that requires an RFP. I'm confused on this. Could you clarify for us, please?

818
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:51,340
Well, I have to ask the same question back to you all. One of you all clarify what it is you want to use those facilities for.

819
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,180
Well, in particular, the capes that are I'm just focused on that right now.

820
01:28:56,180 --> 01:28:59,260
has the same question. What do you want to use that facility for?

821
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:06,400
I think that's a fair question. I think that's the question that drives the whole additional

822
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:13,420
discussion. I mean, you had one proposal that was structured in a way to facilitate arts and

823
01:29:13,420 --> 01:29:21,100
culture exhibits exactly what the CRA expanded the money to renovate the property for and

824
01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:24,500
to provide the same exact services for nothing,

825
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:30,000
essentially volunteer services for arts and exhibits.

826
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,120
So if that is not what the Council wants to do

827
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,140
with the Cape Center, then provide the direction

828
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:40,460
as to what you want the Cape Center to be potentially

829
01:29:40,460 --> 01:29:51,080
utilized for, or if this, the Council wants to

830
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,960
then you certainly can do that.

831
01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:58,680
Now, I would advise you if you're going to do that, I mean, that's aimless.

832
01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:00,420
Who knows what you might get.

833
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,360
And that you could provide to the manager and myself, and we'll help you get to wherever it is you want to go.

834
01:30:07,620 --> 01:30:08,400
Thank you.

835
01:30:16,300 --> 01:30:18,320
Councilmember King, did that answer your question?

836
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,320
Yes, thank you.

837
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,720
Thank you.

838
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,980
Yeah, I think my brain is in two places. We heard some great public comments today.

839
01:30:32,940 --> 01:30:36,940
I want to make sure we have enough time to, I think, respond to a few of them.

840
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:53,850
I think what I am is that the provide cultural alliance, as I said in the last meeting

841
01:30:53,850 --> 01:31:03,210
and I remain today, when it comes to arts, is second to none, and so I think BCA is absolutely

842
01:31:03,210 --> 01:31:04,070
qualified.

843
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:15,590
The Dr. Gruber pointed out a few things that I think identifies in the public participation.

844
01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:26,050
Exactly, I think where I am is, yes, it's hard to make a quick decision,

845
01:31:26,050 --> 01:31:26,790
And because

846
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:30,930
this facility,

847
01:31:33,190 --> 01:31:41,950
if barbarred cultural alliance is the right fit, I think there's

848
01:31:41,950 --> 01:31:49,610
some specific questions and I can't remember King's question, I appreciate and I would

849
01:31:49,610 --> 01:32:02,210
is add to it to answer your question, city attorney, is if we do not know, it's the Cape

850
01:32:02,210 --> 01:32:06,250
Center, culture, arts, preservation, and enrichment.

851
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:14,830
What is the process that we were procedure

852
01:32:14,830 --> 01:32:20,990
where we were going down under the recommended proposal is one way.

853
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:34,460
Is there another way that we could follow in typically public procurement in my experience,

854
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:45,260
especially when leasing land requires, I believe, an ordinance of some sort, city attorney.

855
01:32:45,260 --> 01:32:53,680
I think, to answer your question, I wouldn't say it's a wide net to anything and everything.

856
01:32:53,780 --> 01:32:58,660
I'd like for it to stay focused. It's old city hall. It's a special place to this community.

857
01:32:59,660 --> 01:33:08,980
BCA is absolutely a qualified candidate. If we put something, what is the procedure?

858
01:33:08,980 --> 01:33:15,180
And frankly, there was scrutiny on not approving the

859
01:33:15,180 --> 01:33:18,960
Provard Cultural Alliance agreement immediately.

860
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:28,160
And I thought that the traditional procedures

861
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:32,800
Would require some sort of bid, and it can be narrow

862
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,800
And specific that doesn't open it up to everyone.

863
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:42,680
originally I said in RFI, you know, and then I think we talked about that and said we don't

864
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:53,600
want to do that, but that's my question. Can we go forward with in RFP that Bernard

865
01:33:53,600 --> 01:34:02,780
Culture Alliance could pursue and consider? And I think the timeline with that is important.

866
01:34:02,780 --> 01:34:09,540
I think Council Member Schorriac said it, he just wants to see the options that are out there.

867
01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:13,180
I don't think anyone in here has said that BCA is not qualified,

868
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:19,000
but we want to, when we're talking about public facilities,

869
01:34:22,580 --> 01:34:29,200
the way that we were, the path we were going down might be legal and fine, but it's not the only path.

870
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:36,260
And so we keep talking about RFP, is there a concern with going to an RFP, with the

871
01:34:36,260 --> 01:34:42,800
narrow focus of what the Cape Center is, culture, arts, preservation, and enrichment, could

872
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:51,420
we ride an RFP that outlines that we do not want a, you know, a restaurant, I think, to come

873
01:34:51,420 --> 01:34:56,660
there, or any really traditional business use,

874
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:05,900
but that's it, that's it, that is the main point

875
01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:12,880
of my my question to council is what do you want, let's use the Cape Center, right?

876
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:19,580
We'll stay on the Cape Center topic, what is this board want to see in that space?

877
01:35:19,580 --> 01:35:28,900
If you have no idea what you want, and you want to open it up and cast a wide net to

878
01:35:28,900 --> 01:35:31,960
get proposals, certainly you can do that.

879
01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:36,080
My guess is it won't satisfy your expectations.

880
01:35:37,140 --> 01:35:44,860
If you have expectations, then you cast a narrow net and try to get exactly what it is

881
01:35:44,860 --> 01:35:49,880
looking for in terms of an occupant of that space.

882
01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:54,520
So you can handle the RFP and that's

883
01:35:54,520 --> 01:36:01,340
certainly fair. You can put an RFP out there. Just tell us how you want that to look

884
01:36:01,340 --> 01:36:08,980
generally. You want the wide net and who knows what you might get or do you want to narrow the

885
01:36:08,980 --> 01:36:18,920
scope of the request that you want to entertain evaluating, you know, defining the purpose of

886
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,720
what you're looking for.

887
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:28,480
What disowning its public use, I believe we re-zoned that, it is public use as part of the

888
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:35,300
city hall campus, you know, and another point too is you should not lose sight of the redevelopment

889
01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:45,440
plan, because whatever that building is used for needs to be consistent with the redevelopment

890
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:53,840
plan, because it's within the CRA area. It's been the renovations have been funded

891
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,480
with CRA funds.

892
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:03,520
So there are limitations for use, has to be consistent with the redevelopment

893
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:12,140
plan. And you certainly can go the RFP process, see what you get for proposals and if one

894
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:37,480
The proposal, whether it's a lease and operating agreement, a sale? I don't know. I mean, that's for you to decide.

895
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:50,640
Okay, so that's very helpful. Thank you. I think we have zoning restrictions that when we talk about a wide net, zoning is going to bring it in to a very specific set of uses.

896
01:37:51,400 --> 01:38:07,360
And then you raise the second layer, the CRA plan, which I think really narrows it down and would take it away from anything that I would call a wide net, especially from public perception.

897
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:18,000
Council, knowing, do we have the ability to pull up some of the big terms of the CRA plan

898
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,020
right now on what those limitations are?

899
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:29,020
I think zoning public use is pretty clear, city attorney, you can help, but I mean any public

900
01:38:29,020 --> 01:38:37,260
use of federal state or city or county could come in under public, right?

901
01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:39,620
I mean, frankly,

902
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:47,140
if there was some proposal that was inconsistent with the zoning, but consistent

903
01:38:47,140 --> 01:38:53,400
with redevelopment plan, the city council is part of accepting any proposal, could

904
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:54,540
rezone the property.

905
01:38:54,620 --> 01:38:59,420
I don't know if you would want to do that, but that's not prohibited.

906
01:38:59,980 --> 01:39:07,140
A rezoning is not prohibited to facilitate a use as long as it's consistent with the redevelopment.

907
01:39:07,140 --> 01:39:14,760
plan. Okay, so we would then let's prioritize the, I mean, not theoretically, I think we could change the CRA plan too.

908
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:21,640
I don't, I'm trying to work with not anticipating any changes, disowning or CRA plan and say,

909
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:23,760
what is, how wide is that net?

910
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:31,800
Um, with the CRA plan, do we have just an overview of what that,

911
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:38,940
that's the 2012 or 2014 presentation on that? I think a while ago, a couple years ago,

912
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:49,380
if you recall, I do. I don't remember exactly the highlights on it. Let me see if I can pull up the CRA plant.

913
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:55,280
Yeah, and while you're doing that, I just want to cover something that's really important.

914
01:39:56,440 --> 01:39:59,920
We're talking, and I don't know if this is what you meant,

915
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:07,100
Mayor Perdemony said on fire the building it's not priority so if you read any media headline

916
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:14,940
if you read any comments no one I think is stating that the city of Cape Canaveral cannot

917
01:40:15,670 --> 01:40:23,400
they have a old city hall the new Cape Center is not open. I think everything was about

918
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,520
All facilities are going to close.

919
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,000
There's not going to be this issue.

920
01:40:27,220 --> 01:40:32,820
There's quote-unquote missing money in debt.

921
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:35,560
In all of those things, I think, are inaccurate.

922
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:40,660
Today, we stand and Nancy Hansen, C5, Cape Center,

923
01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:42,540
two of the three are open.

924
01:40:43,420 --> 01:40:44,500
They are functioning.

925
01:40:44,780 --> 01:40:47,500
We've seen the spirit and generosity of our community.

926
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:52,140
Police, fire, essential services, are fully funded.

927
01:40:52,140 --> 01:40:58,140
It would not, we've seen a reversal in the trend of our reserves.

928
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:04,000
We are now seeing for the first time, our finances, and we're going to have to play this

929
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:10,040
out through the end of the year, but we're going to end with a positive, hopefully, fun

930
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,200
balance on a sign reserve.

931
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,220
It's going to be difficult, but I think we've reversed the trend.

932
01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:23,180
our debt has diminished and the general fund and will almost be completely out of debt.

933
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:31,020
And so I think we are on a positive trend undeniable by the data and the facts subject

934
01:41:31,020 --> 01:41:40,060
to our auditor in this year, but the issue was that the financial circumstance of deficit

935
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:45,800
spending for years with borrowing from reserves, and so what we had to do in all the tough

936
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:53,080
decisions we made was really about the finances of the city. And we have reduced three million

937
01:41:53,080 --> 01:42:00,760
dollars and expenses. We came in with 20 million and expenses with about 16, 17 and

938
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:08,140
revenue. We've now balanced a budget, a structural balanced budget. Probably the first

939
01:42:08,140 --> 01:42:13,280
time in 15 years that we've had a structurally balanced budget, not something that looked

940
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,360
balanced on paper, it's actually balanced thanks to our

941
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,340
finance director, city manager and everyone who has been

942
01:42:21,340 --> 01:42:26,980
involved. And so the Cape Center was a financial decision.

943
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:33,300
That facility cost us $125,000 roughly to keep

944
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:37,120
two things happen. That's what it costs for the city to keep the

945
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:42,420
doors open. We closed the doors. We kept the other two facilities

946
01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:47,760
open, but we closed the doors just on this one since this is one of the three facilities.

947
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:57,080
And the cost dropped about a hundred thousand, so I think it was 20, 25,000 to close the doors.

948
01:42:57,820 --> 01:43:06,520
We have the opportunity was brought to us with the Bernard culture alliance to take roughly

949
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:16,240
20, 25,000 and cut that in half by absorbing the water and electric bill.

950
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:21,680
And so it was like preventative maintenance we were still needed to do on the air conditioning.

951
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,480
We still had, I think, general property insurance.

952
01:43:24,740 --> 01:43:27,200
We still had lawn and maintenance.

953
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,800
Provard cultural lines would pay the utilities.

954
01:43:30,340 --> 01:43:35,540
But we also had an unknown number that we responsibly should have budgeted for, which is

955
01:43:35,540 --> 01:43:40,040
anything that breaks as landlords, we would be responsible to pay.

956
01:43:40,860 --> 01:43:43,620
And so I would think we would need at least five to 10,000.

957
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:52,120
My big point is this, with the doors closed, it cost us about the same money as it would

958
01:43:52,940 --> 01:43:54,940
with Brevard culture alliance.

959
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,220
So to me, that's a no-brainer.

960
01:43:58,900 --> 01:44:03,680
If it's going to cost you the same money, you would go with Brevard culture alliance and actually

961
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:09,300
have the doors open. But that wasn't the big pain point for us. Out of all three facilities,

962
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:17,940
the Cape Center was the one facility that was not a major pain point from a finance perspective

963
01:44:17,940 --> 01:44:25,380
for our community. Huge opportunity from a very credible organization. But like Dr. Robert said,

964
01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:31,720
My thought is we would open, I think, this up to not space, not

965
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,120
barvard cultural alliance, but work within our zoning work within our CRA

966
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:41,660
plan, knowing we could theoretically change both of those, but I don't really want to do that,

967
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:46,520
because I want to preserve that, and that's the history is really important to this community.

968
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:52,100
And so I just want to emphasize that we had a financial challenge, not that the capes

969
01:44:52,100 --> 01:44:58,190
or wasn't open challenge, and there's not a big difference from having

970
01:44:58,190 --> 01:44:59,530
Art culture alliance.

971
01:44:59,890 --> 01:45:00,410
Operating.

972
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,300
We have to take care of it, and I think it's well worth it. The issues that we heard on a kind of a two-two-split

973
01:45:08,300 --> 01:45:12,940
and I was sitting back listening was, but what other opportunities are out there? I think Council Member

974
01:45:12,940 --> 01:45:19,920
Shoryak was on the phone that night and he said, hey, I think this is great, but we're going down this road.

975
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:28,100
And so today I appreciate Mayor Pertham. You're bringing this forward because the Cape Center, out of the three is one, we have an

976
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:33,980
opportunity with provar cultural alliance, I think our city attorney has said, it would be wise

977
01:45:33,980 --> 01:45:42,420
of us to take it facility by facility and say, what do we want to do? I think Nancy

978
01:45:42,420 --> 01:45:48,660
Hansen out of all three facilities, in my opinion, and according to the feedback was the most

979
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:56,040
important to this community. And that's why volunteers rallied and came together thankfully and

980
01:45:56,040 --> 01:46:03,960
facility is operating under a different model, C5, thinks our city manager and staff is operating

981
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:11,520
under a different model. And the Cape Center is the third I think is priority. The other

982
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:22,620
two actually produced revenue. And so from a finance standpoint, it was not there. And so we

983
01:46:22,620 --> 01:46:24,260
have a financial problem.

984
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:29,080
Tallahassee is not going to say, hey, why is the Cape Center not open?

985
01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:31,340
They're going to say, did you reverse the trend?

986
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:37,140
And I want everyone to know that today, in our last meeting, if you go back and listen, we

987
01:46:37,140 --> 01:46:44,060
made this council credit to the entire council and staff, we are on track to reverse the trend.

988
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:52,600
And we made decisions based on assets we found, based on expenditures that we see that

989
01:46:52,600 --> 01:47:00,700
can reduce. And so I'm enthusiastic about this. I'm excited. I want to do it. But I am not

990
01:47:00,700 --> 01:47:09,140
one to state that if scrutiny is for anything, it would be that we just made a decision with

991
01:47:09,140 --> 01:47:15,220
one organization without going through the traditional procurement process. I'm not questioning

992
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:24,180
the path or city attorney brought forward. But my thought is that if you want to avoid

993
01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:33,540
any scrutiny of anything of favoritism or anything, it would be to go to bid. And I'm

994
01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:43,420
with Council Member Shoryex Statement. I think all facilities should be forbid. Even if

995
01:47:43,420 --> 01:47:50,760
we love one organization, I would say in that circumstance we should do the absolute quickest

996
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:56,400
expedited bid to make sure we're looking at it in the way that we want.

997
01:47:57,500 --> 01:48:06,860
And with that city attorney, the zoning, the CRA plan, if assuming we don't change

998
01:48:06,860 --> 01:48:13,360
either one of those, could we draft a bid and what would that look like as far as a quote

999
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:20,620
unquote white net, but we have limits, it can't be too wide, can't be a gas station, you

1000
01:48:20,620 --> 01:48:20,860
know?

1001
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:21,980
All right.

1002
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,840
Well, it has to be, I mean, it has to be, the way you do this is consistent with the

1003
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:25,900
plan.

1004
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,520
This is not traditional procurement, let's not fool ourselves.

1005
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,860
This is CRA, this is redevelopment activities, it's governed by the redevelopment

1006
01:48:32,860 --> 01:48:33,260
act.

1007
01:48:33,620 --> 01:48:35,460
Okay, this is redevelopment strategies.

1008
01:48:35,460 --> 01:48:44,000
this council 15 years ago adopted a CRA plan, the city council approved it, the CRA board approved it,

1009
01:48:44,900 --> 01:48:55,560
you all directed when that plan was approved to implement it. Period end of story. Okay? So that is that is the policy adopted by the city.

1010
01:48:55,560 --> 01:49:03,200
So in terms of uses, the CRA plan identifies some of the uses.

1011
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:08,320
There's a lot of other redevelopment activities in the plan that are just not relevant

1012
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:09,240
to this discussion.

1013
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:15,320
First and foremost, one of the one that is under the heading of catalyst projects, public

1014
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:21,160
private partnerships, a public private partnership describing the scratch of government service

1015
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:27,120
private business venture funded and operated through a partnership of government and one or more

1016
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:33,420
private sector companies. Risk and reward are shared and joint contract for services or redevelopment.

1017
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:39,960
That should sound familiar. Public parking facilities, shared off site, stormwater retention.

1018
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:46,360
We've had some discussion about using the parking lot out there for stormwater.

1019
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:54,440
town center projects can have a lack of traditional down town therefore a communal focal point

1020
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:59,160
is would be like an eligible project.

1021
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,520
So you got Parks and Rec open space, beautification

1022
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:14,380
opportunities, partnership to improve services and facilities. It's kind of utility related.

1023
01:50:14,380 --> 01:50:17,260
What was the last one I'm sorry to them?

1024
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:18,960
I said the Council interim was the next one.

1025
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:22,200
There was partnership to improve services and facilities

1026
01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:26,460
that that's, let's see if that's limited to utilities.

1027
01:50:27,380 --> 01:50:29,600
With all appropriate government and private utilities,

1028
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:32,780
yeah to ensure adequate public and utility services.

1029
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,120
I'm not sure that's what you're really looking for

1030
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:38,500
to use the Cape Center.

1031
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:43,640
Bringing in some sort of utility would be consistent with the plan.

1032
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:52,320
So, I mean, those are really, in terms of uses, you know, I think, you know, those public

1033
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:57,820
private partnerships, for all types of certain, you know, government services and private

1034
01:50:57,820 --> 01:51:04,700
venture business ventures, you know, also, you know, possibly bringing in certain catalyst

1035
01:51:04,700 --> 01:51:16,600
businesses into the CRA would be probably be eligible for redevelopment activity under the existing plan.

1036
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,660
What do you mean by catalyst business? Something that brings in business opportunities,

1037
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:35,360
a catalyst for future redevelopment, a catalyst for future economic development, a incubator,

1038
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,860
incubator would probably qualify

1039
01:51:41,550 --> 01:51:46,780
so that I mean those are because you know the

1040
01:51:46,780 --> 01:51:51,840
CRA plan does talk about you know business and development assistance you know

1041
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:57,820
catalyst businesses so I mean those are all kind of you know fair game under the

1042
01:51:57,820 --> 01:52:04,300
under the existing plan okay so public parking very specific stormwater

1043
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:08,720
various specific I think stormwater could be a component of anything other private

1044
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:16,400
partnership is a big one that that one to me I mean you can satisfy a few of these within one potential

1045
01:52:18,300 --> 01:52:22,160
partnership you could we could form a public private partnership

1046
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:30,440
and still accomplish some of the things within the town center right and or or other items

1047
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:56,740
Okay. To me, it would make sense to, can we talk about if an RFP went out, what a typical timeline would be from, just say, this day, if direction was given to issuing the RFP response time, and then realistic on when something could be solidified.

1048
01:52:56,740 --> 01:53:05,280
And within those definitions, it's my opinion, I mean utility partnership, I agree with you

1049
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,020
City Attorney, I don't think that's it.

1050
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:13,540
I think the public-private partnership is absolutely of interest, and it

1051
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:17,580
doesn't really

1052
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:23,130
limit the type of public-private partnership, right?

1053
01:53:23,130 --> 01:53:27,190
But if it can check other boxes, that's a win.

1054
01:53:27,190 --> 01:53:31,450
But what is, because I think it's important for RFP,

1055
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:36,370
what is a typical timeline for something like this,

1056
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:39,010
assuming it stayed within the limitations

1057
01:53:39,010 --> 01:53:41,810
and the criteria of the CRA plane and zoning?

1058
01:53:42,590 --> 01:53:45,870
The pens on how much review of Council wants

1059
01:53:45,870 --> 01:53:50,330
to the RFP, but I would say at least 30 days

1060
01:53:50,330 --> 01:53:54,330
to draft it, I would say, take 30 days to get on

1061
01:53:54,330 --> 01:54:01,030
Council agenda to review, provide comments, another couple of weeks to get it published, another

1062
01:54:01,030 --> 01:54:09,570
30 day has to stay out there minimum 30 days. Then I would say you would need the 45 days

1063
01:54:09,570 --> 01:54:17,550
to look through proposals as soon as you get multiple proposals. Get that on a agenda for discussion

1064
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:26,450
and consideration for direction and, you know, so that takes you out maybe at least 90 days, right?

1065
01:54:27,730 --> 01:54:32,390
So, once you get that direction, then you got to do all of the legal instruments and documents,

1066
01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:35,990
and lay all of that out.

1067
01:54:36,170 --> 01:54:39,070
I mean, that could take depending on the complexity of it.

1068
01:54:39,210 --> 01:54:43,290
It could be anywhere from 30 days to, I mean, for crying all out,

1069
01:54:43,290 --> 01:54:55,250
I mean, it took me nine months to negotiate a redevelopment agreement in one community with a lot of staff members time invested in it because of the complexity of the project.

1070
01:54:56,530 --> 01:54:57,470
So, I mean, it depends.

1071
01:54:58,730 --> 01:55:00,210
So, you're looking at least, you know,

1072
01:55:02,270 --> 01:55:07,130
to get to an agreement, at least six months, five months probably.

1073
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:11,350
And then, yeah, you got to take into consideration if you're going to look at the Cape

1074
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:15,430
Center as it just the Cape Center building itself, or you're looking to expand the

1075
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:20,610
opportunities for redevelopment to the vacant land that's next door, which was acquired

1076
01:55:20,610 --> 01:55:27,350
using CRA funds. I mean, is that part of consideration for proposals? Or is that just

1077
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:37,110
stay separate in a part for now? I mean, you have to give direction on that. Yeah, then you're

1078
01:55:37,110 --> 01:55:39,470
You know, sometimes it's not going to be a nice fit.

1079
01:55:39,550 --> 01:55:46,350
You got an existing building that was clearly designed for, you know, art exhibits, you

1080
01:55:46,350 --> 01:55:48,430
know, depending on what kind of proposals you get.

1081
01:55:48,650 --> 01:55:52,670
I mean, they're going to be the, there may be discussions about having to do a complete

1082
01:55:52,670 --> 01:55:57,830
re-cutting and, you know, negotiating what the terms and conditions of that are going to

1083
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:58,270
look like.

1084
01:55:58,510 --> 01:56:03,210
I guarantee you whoever submits a proposal is going to ask you for money is going to ask

1085
01:56:03,210 --> 01:56:07,090
you for tiff funds to do the tenant improvements necessary to convert the property

1086
01:56:07,090 --> 01:56:10,150
of something other than rehab, art and exhibits,

1087
01:56:11,050 --> 01:56:12,850
many of the whole host of issues that could take

1088
01:56:12,850 --> 01:56:14,150
add to the timeline.

1089
01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:16,630
And I don't tell you that's the bog you'd

1090
01:56:16,630 --> 01:56:19,210
die, and I tell you that's just so you have a

1091
01:56:19,210 --> 01:56:23,010
realistic expectation of timeframes

1092
01:56:23,010 --> 01:56:23,810
potentially.

1093
01:56:25,370 --> 01:56:28,210
Okay, so I think the first thing that jumps out to me

1094
01:56:28,210 --> 01:56:32,030
is that when you asked what does the council want?

1095
01:56:32,030 --> 01:56:35,810
My opinion is we would draft a proposal

1096
01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:39,610
that would not bind the city to do any of those things.

1097
01:56:39,850 --> 01:56:41,270
And so it would narrow it down.

1098
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:45,210
We are not interested in tiff funds to make any improvements.

1099
01:56:46,270 --> 01:56:49,890
We are interested in maintaining the structure of the facility.

1100
01:56:50,570 --> 01:56:53,930
We're interested in keeping it as is.

1101
01:56:54,130 --> 01:56:56,330
We want to stay within the CRA plan.

1102
01:56:56,330 --> 01:57:25,350
And I think that's, we're talking 30 days to drafts, so if we're in October, just say it's late in November or early December, and then the idea of reviewing it, if it went out in 60 days, January, I think,

1103
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:35,390
We would have, by Q1, we could have something to this council to consider contracting.

1104
01:57:37,010 --> 01:57:41,190
And I understand the worst case, I understand the complexities of others with six months.

1105
01:57:42,110 --> 01:57:48,110
But my opinion is we would not be interested in making investments in major modifications.

1106
01:57:48,110 --> 01:57:55,250
again, the priority right now is to get the city financially healthy, but also respect.

1107
01:57:55,630 --> 01:58:03,610
This isn't the way to get the city financially healthy, but it's also, I can't see a difference

1108
01:58:03,610 --> 01:58:11,710
in the cost to keep it closed than the cost to keep it open, because like you said, that

1109
01:58:11,710 --> 01:58:18,190
contract was written for BCA that we would be responsible for making any repairs or issues.

1110
01:58:18,650 --> 01:58:19,730
Well, no, no, no.

1111
01:58:19,890 --> 01:58:24,610
The two, there were two issues that were presented and that's going to be another question

1112
01:58:24,610 --> 01:58:25,730
I have for you.

1113
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:32,330
What was presented to you was the BCA agreement between the CRA and BCA.

1114
01:58:33,370 --> 01:58:40,130
Under a presumption that the City Council and the CRA board were interested in entering

1115
01:58:40,130 --> 01:58:45,530
into a lease arrangement whereby the city would lease the property to the CRA and then the

1116
01:58:45,530 --> 01:58:50,630
CRA would enter into the operating agreement with BCA. That's the way that was structured.

1117
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:55,610
That was structured that way. It's two separate mutually exclusive issues.

1118
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,200
The city did not

1119
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:06,900
have to enter into a lease agreement with the CRA in order to do an agreement with BCA.

1120
01:59:06,900 --> 01:59:14,380
The city could have entered into the agreement with BCA and just kicked the lease to the curb and not even do the lease.

1121
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:26,100
The lease was only there to help offset the impact that the building may have in the future on the city's general fund because you all have general fund issues.

1122
01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:31,100
That was a way to shift the building maintenance to the CRA.

1123
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:44,020
to help the general fund. You don't need to do that. So there's no need for the lease.

1124
01:59:46,340 --> 01:59:52,240
So my question to you would be, and nobody's mentioned it. So we go out for an RFP

1125
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:58,040
for the Cape Center. I haven't heard anyone mention, and I just want to cross it off the

1126
01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:00,400
the city who owned

1127
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,440
It's the property. It's not interested in selling that property as part of the entertain any proposals to sell the property. Are you?

1128
02:00:08,700 --> 02:00:12,440
Council, the question city attorney.

1129
02:00:13,020 --> 02:00:16,680
I don't think we're open to all ideas.

1130
02:00:17,660 --> 02:00:19,520
I disagree about selling the property.

1131
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:24,100
Well, let's speak as individuals. I think I just did.

1132
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:33,120
Absolutely did. I'm not saying you did not. I think Councilmember Shoryak, you're open. Councilmember King, you are not open.

1133
02:00:36,410 --> 02:00:39,730
I'm not interested in selling the property. I can say that.

1134
02:00:40,130 --> 02:00:42,130
I would prefer that we keep the properties.

1135
02:00:44,810 --> 02:00:45,370
Yes.

1136
02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:49,670
That's an important point because when you put these RAPs, they're going to ask.

1137
02:00:49,670 --> 02:00:56,130
Right, and if we're going to participate in this endeavor, I mean, is there a sale involved?

1138
02:00:57,290 --> 02:01:02,550
So, if you go out for an RP, I'm hearing at least three of you saying no, there's no sale.

1139
02:01:03,030 --> 02:01:12,830
So, it's either going to be some sort of like lease arrangement that you would be seeking proposals for or an operating agreement.

1140
02:01:16,430 --> 02:01:17,890
Was that fair?

1141
02:01:17,890 --> 02:01:23,970
That's a question I have because the first contract that we received was a lease agreement for a dollar a year.

1142
02:01:24,350 --> 02:01:28,750
The second contract was or was it was for an operating contract.

1143
02:01:29,630 --> 02:01:36,270
Okay. So those two contracts, you know, when we challenge terms, you kind of changed it, right?

1144
02:01:36,410 --> 02:01:37,830
I just want to make sure I understand.

1145
02:01:37,910 --> 02:01:42,070
I'm going to make sure I'm clear because I've said it a few times and I said it during the meetings.

1146
02:01:42,070 --> 02:01:47,790
I mean, scratched that whole arrangement if that's what you're not interested in doing.

1147
02:01:48,670 --> 02:01:59,170
The lease was just a mechanism to assist the city's financial situation with the maintenance of the building.

1148
02:01:59,510 --> 02:02:04,770
Right now, something happens to that building that requires repair, the city has to pay for that.

1149
02:02:04,770 --> 02:02:16,190
So the lease arrangement was just the added benefit, at least to take the pressure off the city's general fund to pay for the long term building maintenance.

1150
02:02:16,870 --> 02:02:19,530
So scratch that completely.

1151
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:31,030
If you go out for an RFP, the city could directly enter into a lease or an operating agreement with some entity that submits a proposal to your liking.

1152
02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:38,350
In the case of if we did that, just as an auction, I'm just trying to understand, then we

1153
02:02:38,350 --> 02:02:42,330
could no go-shay for maintenance be included in that contract.

1154
02:02:44,070 --> 02:02:50,270
Well, most of course, a lot of commercial locations do that, you know, in contracts with real estate.

1155
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:52,910
But my understanding is this isn't a commercial building?

1156
02:02:53,890 --> 02:02:56,410
No, it's not, but I'm just using an example.

1157
02:02:57,830 --> 02:03:07,290
I would say it's negotiable, but there are, you know, there are commercial lease industry standards, right?

1158
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:11,990
And you'll be up against, but you know, I certainly can negotiate anything.

1159
02:03:18,910 --> 02:03:30,710
Yes, please, can we simplify it to the point where we put out an RFP to operate the C5 and the Nancy Hanson for purposes that the residents need,

1160
02:03:30,710 --> 02:03:43,970
such as athletic recreational facilities operating those facilities on our behalf taking over the responsibilities for operating them.

1161
02:03:44,110 --> 02:03:52,430
And then we put out our RFP if we have to for cultural influence on the Cape Center.

1162
02:03:53,130 --> 02:03:56,110
Would those be simplified RFPs?

1163
02:03:59,430 --> 02:04:03,170
If you want to answer it, that's very simple.

1164
02:04:04,370 --> 02:04:05,390
It goes to my question.

1165
02:04:06,630 --> 02:04:08,970
What do you want those buildings to be used for?

1166
02:04:09,050 --> 02:04:12,690
And if you have clear direction on what you want,

1167
02:04:13,550 --> 02:04:19,590
then you ask the public to submit proposals for what you want.

1168
02:04:20,370 --> 02:04:24,350
It appears to me that the public wants the recreational facilities.

1169
02:04:24,350 --> 02:04:30,470
facilities. They are interested in those. They're interested in the cultural facility.

1170
02:04:31,410 --> 02:04:34,790
That is what they're after. That is what I hear anyway.

1171
02:04:38,140 --> 02:04:44,120
We literally asked for that earlier in the year for operational and contract to provide

1172
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:50,100
this for its management services. Now, I think personally, that would be really a good

1173
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:59,180
to have some bits for that if we give it all possible for our volunteers when they start meeting,

1174
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:07,580
because we need to look and see, is there any way to supplement them or do we just strictly use them?

1175
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:13,480
But if we're not looking at all of our options for those, we're C5 and Nancy Hanson,

1176
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:19,780
then we need to have that together so that when volunteers are looking at covering those two

1177
02:05:19,780 --> 02:05:26,060
facilities, we know what the cost is for the volunteers and we know what the cost would be

1178
02:05:26,060 --> 02:05:31,240
for the city and what options we have. You need to consider all the options. So I'm in

1179
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:37,460
favor of what Councilmember Willis is saying as far as getting some bit information on that

1180
02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:44,740
because Councilmember Shoryak offered him or said in March about key fobs. I've asked about

1181
02:05:44,740 --> 02:05:50,060
sports manager and I think that's a good thing for us to follow up on.

1182
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:55,700
Yeah, I think the Cape Center is close to the Cape Center as possible.

1183
02:05:55,940 --> 02:06:00,740
I think there's nothing in my brain outside of what the Cape Center was.

1184
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:03,060
It's a part of our history.

1185
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:09,120
I think BCA would absolutely meet the requirement.

1186
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:21,580
I think the C5 recreation agreed. Stay within that box and so drafting an RFP. Yeah, I went through

1187
02:06:21,580 --> 02:06:27,400
a phase way back where I said RFI opened any ideas never was it to ever sell any building.

1188
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:32,580
It was just I don't want to think that I know at all. I think there's other ideas, but there's

1189
02:06:32,580 --> 02:06:40,380
nothing that would, I think, change, the best case for us would be put it out, stay within

1190
02:06:40,380 --> 02:06:47,180
the mission of those buildings and the services that they provide today, that's what

1191
02:06:47,180 --> 02:06:55,640
we're saying. And I think that awarding it is close to its current use is going to have

1192
02:06:57,780 --> 02:07:02,540
priority for the council potentially, right? If you come in with something outside

1193
02:07:02,540 --> 02:07:09,340
the box. Okay, we'll look at that, but the closer you are aligned, the higher probability,

1194
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:18,600
I think, for this council to award it. That's a very good creative idea. I mean,

1195
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:24,740
you can prioritize and say, this is what we're looking for. And I think as you said,

1196
02:07:25,300 --> 02:07:28,140
to try to stick to the current use of those facilities,

1197
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:39,640
We can add something to it that if you add some other creative proposal by all means submit it, but that's not a priority.

1198
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:30,420
that's prayer.

1199
02:07:40,860 --> 02:07:41,480
Yeah, basically.

1200
02:07:41,580 --> 02:07:44,800
Not really closing the door, but you are prioritizing.

1201
02:07:44,900 --> 02:07:52,920
So it gives the benefit of an RFI just kind of open. But yes, if it could be worded to go, we never even thought of that.

1202
02:07:52,920 --> 02:08:04,000
We all set up here and said we want to keep it, I agree with what Mayor Pertem and Council member Willis has said here is that I'm here in the same things from the community.

1203
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:07,260
I think that's exactly what they want to do.

1204
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:08,000
Mr. Mayor?

1205
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:09,860
Yes, Mayor, I think Council member Willis.

1206
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:20,740
I think to provide direction to the city manager would be to prioritize solidifying a volunteer effort for the existing facilities

1207
02:08:20,740 --> 02:08:31,140
because RFPs or RFIs to your point might take six months. We don't want those facilities

1208
02:08:31,140 --> 02:08:39,300
to be hobbled in that period. So we want the residents to be able to utilize those things

1209
02:08:39,300 --> 02:08:49,320
to the full extent as possible. And I think that should be the order of priority for the city manager.

1210
02:08:50,860 --> 02:08:52,040
So,

1211
02:08:54,400 --> 02:09:00,080
what we've heard about volunteers in the willingness and generosity and desire is as we're

1212
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:10,420
going out potentially to, we will have continuity with the local support we have and

1213
02:09:10,420 --> 02:09:14,740
okay, I think that's good.

1214
02:09:14,740 --> 02:09:21,140
So I think the city attorney and city manager look in for specific direction.

1215
02:09:21,340 --> 02:09:27,120
I think it's best we, I mean we can't take our eyes off all the facilities, but especially

1216
02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:29,040
with the Cape Center,

1217
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:39,680
trying to stay as close to the purpose of it today is I think preference

1218
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:47,240
and writing what an RFP would look like, that I think was short in the timeline of the RFP as well.

1219
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:55,640
And City Attorney said we could potentially have something in there that we are open to outside ideas,

1220
02:09:55,800 --> 02:09:59,000
but we want to be clear to set expectations.

1221
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:09,660
We want to try to maintain, it's basically maintaining the same level of service or similar level of service under a different model.

1222
02:10:09,660 --> 02:10:18,100
We're not the operators in-house, we're going to have some sort of arrangement that provides

1223
02:10:18,100 --> 02:10:20,520
the service level in a different manner.

1224
02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:30,040
If we can get clarity on that, or at least I'm sort of consensus that would be helpful,

1225
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:36,320
is there any desire to change significantly, change the use of the facilities?

1226
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:44,440
And if there is, I think we could put a proposal out that welcomes those ideas, but it's

1227
02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:51,060
going to have to get past a majority and a majority that may not be the same majority here

1228
02:10:51,060 --> 02:10:51,420
today.

1229
02:10:52,020 --> 02:10:55,680
I mean, we're talking in a couple of weeks, which is another reason I have caution.

1230
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:57,100
So, respecting.

1231
02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:03,520
And if I can add to that, I think I suspect that that's why you're stalling.

1232
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:11,000
You want to see what happens after the election to see if you have the votes that you need to have to make this thing work

1233
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:21,180
We've been over this territory time and time. We've we've devoted hours to this discussion and we have gotten no further than we are today

1234
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:22,840
and I

1235
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:26,880
And I question your your motivation for for

1236
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:33,620
shifting through all of this granular information when our city attorney has already said

1237
02:11:33,620 --> 02:11:40,260
there's no need to do this. We can move forward with this now. One and done. Isn't that an

1238
02:11:40,260 --> 02:11:47,800
expression? One and done. Let's get it done. Okay, I'm going to speak up to this. Please, too. I can't

1239
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:53,840
wait to hear what you have to say. This, what this meeting wasn't supposed to be about Cape

1240
02:11:53,840 --> 02:12:00,000
center. It's supposed to be setting priorities for which building do we want to attack first,

1241
02:12:00,020 --> 02:12:02,960
which one has the most need? Who took it offline?

1242
02:12:03,460 --> 02:12:10,360
We have to have a order. I welcome the dialogue, but we do need to let each other finish, please.

1243
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:17,480
So that's what my intention was. Now, one thing that we've learned today, there is interest in

1244
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:26,120
facilities that we have all over the city, not just in one building. We have people that are

1245
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:33,840
interested if we are not forward thinking enough to look at opportunities and ensure the well-being

1246
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:42,040
of our city with the decisions that we make going forward. But as far as the BCA, unfortunately that

1247
02:12:42,040 --> 02:12:50,320
side when we had a vote in the last meeting that was called the question was called, so we

1248
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:57,180
didn't get to discuss it. This meeting was not to discuss BCA. This meeting is to discuss

1249
02:12:57,180 --> 02:13:03,520
opportunities for sitting with multiple buildings and to set a priority for our city manager.

1250
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:09,640
Because as long as this keeps going on, they're set up for failure. And I don't agree with

1251
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:12,920
I think we need to be clear on what we want to do.

1252
02:13:13,460 --> 02:13:16,940
Now, I would love to see attendance figures if we're going to go this route.

1253
02:13:17,300 --> 02:13:21,340
How many people are even attending the Cave Center?

1254
02:13:22,260 --> 02:13:29,820
Mr. Mayor, you said Cape is a culture, arts, preservation, environment, is that management, enrichment.

1255
02:13:30,780 --> 02:13:35,300
Okay, so as we look forward, are you saying just the arts, if we put it out at RFP,

1256
02:13:35,300 --> 02:13:40,000
We need to make sure that we look at our opportunities in our city.

1257
02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:48,980
We have a responsibility to our citizens to make sure we accommodate every one of them we can

1258
02:13:49,620 --> 02:13:53,820
BCA as well as any other opportunities that may make us better.

1259
02:13:54,340 --> 02:14:00,380
And we've got to be forward thinking because we've got to get many together to shore up our infrastructure.

1260
02:14:00,380 --> 02:14:23,100
And so all of this is saying it's for this or that, no, this is what my meeting and actually I'm sitting here getting fairly aggravated because I'm sitting through another meeting focusing on a contract that died in the last meeting and it was not listed as a BCA thing on my agenda and here we go.

1261
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:26,160
Well, we're trying to respond to that.

1262
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:29,560
This is not being forward thinking at all.

1263
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:33,460
As a matter of fact, we just keep backing up, backing up, backing up,

1264
02:14:33,980 --> 02:14:36,040
and we're not moving forward at all.

1265
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:40,560
We heard these gentlemen, and what they had to say was so exciting.

1266
02:14:41,220 --> 02:14:45,580
I thought, wow, we could really do some wonderful things with them.

1267
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:48,980
We have the facilities if we get the BCA in here,

1268
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:51,140
and by the way, they know how to market.

1269
02:14:51,140 --> 02:14:58,240
If we didn't have very many people coming into that Kate Center, it was because nobody was, we didn't have the staff to market it.

1270
02:14:58,540 --> 02:15:00,200
They do, they are experts.

1271
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:15,300
We could make this city sparkle with educational facilities, with art facilities, with the collaborative efforts that they're making. I don't know why you're not saying you're arguing and

1272
02:15:15,300 --> 02:15:23,380
over details that are irrelevant. And our city attorney has made that clear. He's answering

1273
02:15:23,380 --> 02:15:29,580
your questions. Well, if we do this and you know, we're wasting time, why what's the point?

1274
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:36,240
What is the point? It's obvious the community wants the BCA in the cave center. How exciting

1275
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:42,260
would that be? And then we get these gentlemen who maybe, and I don't know if I agree with

1276
02:15:42,260 --> 02:15:46,600
they want to store their stuff here. I think that they would make something out of it and we

1277
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:53,220
would encourage them to do that. Let's move forward with this. This is this is moving forward.

1278
02:15:53,980 --> 02:16:00,720
That's why I brought it here. Well, okay, we've been spending over an hour, two hours talking

1279
02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:08,100
about the capes that are all over again. Let's move forward. And Council member King I agree. Let's

1280
02:16:08,100 --> 02:16:14,080
forward. But I think if we're looking at all opportunities, you've got to give these, they just

1281
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:20,520
said collaboration, that's what they said earlier today. They want to collaborate. Why are we

1282
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:25,880
even talking about a BCA contract in a meeting that they're not listed on the edge of the

1283
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:32,920
degree? And I agree. And so let's move forward. Let's let's put them in. Let's get them moving.

1284
02:16:33,520 --> 02:17:02,480
You know, you're maybe maybe the idea of moving forward, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you let everybody else speak, you let me speak, I have a thing to say, you know, if you if you're talking about moving forward, maybe our ideas of moving forward, don't match, I'm not going to get caught up and well, we maybe maybe need this in this and this and this when we when our city attorney has already told us, it's superfluous, you don't need that, you don't if you want to do that go ahead and do that, but you don't need to.

1285
02:17:05,100 --> 02:17:11,100
And why? Because we've got an election coming up, and maybe this isn't really the forward

1286
02:17:11,100 --> 02:17:16,780
direction you want to take this? I am very, I'm

1287
02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:21,740
perplexed. I am absolutely perplexed.

1288
02:17:21,940 --> 02:17:25,540
Is this something that you've decided that no, we're going to do this. We're going to do

1289
02:17:25,540 --> 02:17:34,760
it this way. And if we get the BCA in there, then I don't know. You know, I don't know

1290
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:36,300
You never come to a conclusion.

1291
02:17:36,940 --> 02:17:38,580
Do you realize what you're saying?

1292
02:17:38,640 --> 02:17:39,960
Yes, I do, absolutely.

1293
02:17:40,260 --> 02:17:42,440
And I've been wanting to say it for quite some time.

1294
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:44,640
And you know what, if I don't get elected

1295
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:46,340
as a result of it, that's fun.

1296
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:48,060
I am comfortable with that.

1297
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:48,620
That's fun.

1298
02:17:48,740 --> 02:17:51,000
The people, you know, I'm not going to get into that question.

1299
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:52,040
No, you can't.

1300
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:53,720
You don't have a like to stand on.

1301
02:17:53,900 --> 02:17:56,540
I've got a special meeting agenda to stand on.

1302
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:58,180
And I'm going to stick to that.

1303
02:17:58,540 --> 02:18:02,360
You're literally saying that.

1304
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:03,780
But words in my mouth, careful.

1305
02:18:04,100 --> 02:18:05,260
Don't put words in my mouth.

1306
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:07,680
Correct anything that I state.

1307
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:10,760
You believe that we should have moved forward

1308
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:14,760
with a BCA contract on one of the three facilities

1309
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:17,060
the Mayor of Pro Tem brought forward

1310
02:18:17,060 --> 02:18:19,280
based on the city attorney saying,

1311
02:18:19,820 --> 02:18:21,840
which we should have done this two meetings ago.

1312
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,160
OK, great, great.

1313
02:18:24,100 --> 02:18:25,820
So why not go to bed?

1314
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:26,560
Why?

1315
02:18:26,620 --> 02:18:27,600
Why go to bed?

1316
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:28,540
Why go to bed?

1317
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:29,920
We don't have to.

1318
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:31,220
We don't legally.

1319
02:18:31,220 --> 02:18:39,940
we do not have to. Why does a bit exist? Oh, we did, because it's not out of the air, because

1320
02:18:39,940 --> 02:18:47,020
it's a fair way to use public resources. This is not fair. What we're proposing with the BCA?

1321
02:18:47,900 --> 02:18:53,940
That is in your opinion. I never said it was unfair. Well, but you're saying the government cannot

1322
02:18:53,940 --> 02:19:01,000
just go out and award individuals typically. I receive that. This is a different situation.

1323
02:19:01,340 --> 02:19:09,160
Well, of course. As the city attorney has pointed out, I'm going to finish. I'm going to let you finish.

1324
02:19:09,560 --> 02:19:17,680
City attorney. If we were to award to BCA for one facility and we were to go out to bid for

1325
02:19:17,680 --> 02:19:27,280
facility and BCA was to award it, which one is less likely to be scrutinized as fair in your

1326
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:27,840
opinion?

1327
02:19:30,430 --> 02:19:32,270
I feel silly asking you that.

1328
02:19:34,050 --> 02:19:40,490
Listen, I mean, let's just get to the issue. If you want to go to the RFP, just to say that,

1329
02:19:40,490 --> 02:19:50,190
That is a perfect response, I mean, in direction, if you want to go out for an RFP.

1330
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:54,450
I, and that's exactly what I said in the last meeting is it had nothing to do with just

1331
02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:55,110
have to say it.

1332
02:19:55,130 --> 02:19:55,970
Chris, okay.

1333
02:19:56,130 --> 02:19:58,170
Well, then we can move forward on that.

1334
02:19:58,390 --> 02:19:59,570
We are moving forward.

1335
02:19:59,930 --> 02:20:01,930
This was about, Chris Sieger.

1336
02:20:02,450 --> 02:20:08,530
I think some, Councilman, King, you are making it about politics, you're initiating this, you're

1337
02:20:08,530 --> 02:20:14,850
to drive that narrative. This is about procedure and it is consistent with how I've been on

1338
02:20:14,850 --> 02:20:23,550
every procurement vote. Why did that strike? Why did that strike? I've never done that,

1339
02:20:23,730 --> 02:20:29,710
just like we wanted to hire the former city manager. We didn't want to go out and use the service

1340
02:20:29,710 --> 02:20:36,650
to go out and bid. I said no, that's not how the government procures. And I said, show me a time.

1341
02:20:36,650 --> 02:20:46,230
I trust we have an incredible city attorney who I can make sense of exactly what he said in the provisions.

1342
02:20:46,930 --> 02:21:00,610
And he never said that he said, you can do it this way. I would argue there was convenience, but I don't think that it was the correct path we should go down today.

1343
02:21:00,610 --> 02:21:06,310
We have a financial problem, not a Cape Center's closed problem.

1344
02:21:06,330 --> 02:21:13,550
We've already solved that and there's no financial, if those doors stay closed and no one comes in,

1345
02:21:13,690 --> 02:21:19,830
city manager or a finance director, I believe the cost will still be about $10,000 a month,

1346
02:21:20,130 --> 02:21:21,130
just with the doors closed.

1347
02:21:21,330 --> 02:21:21,890
Is that right?

1348
02:21:22,930 --> 02:21:30,510
The general property insurance, the preventative AC maintenance, and then I think law and

1349
02:21:30,510 --> 02:21:36,790
pass, we would be paying, we wouldn't, oh, and utility bill, maybe it's more, maybe it's

1350
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:37,510
15 to 12.

1351
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:43,790
That would have been the CRA portion if the cost would have been shifted onto the CRA, off

1352
02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:48,510
the top of that my head, I think the general fund was closer to about 16,000 a year.

1353
02:21:49,890 --> 02:21:52,910
But I guess what's the source of funds?

1354
02:21:53,230 --> 02:21:58,570
What's the total cost to keep that facility running if the doors are closed estimate?

1355
02:21:58,570 --> 02:22:01,810
I think it was close to 2020.

1356
02:22:02,110 --> 02:22:04,370
I'm looking at the schedule that we had for the one year

1357
02:22:04,370 --> 02:22:05,690
where we did all the facilities.

1358
02:22:06,270 --> 02:22:10,050
And looking at that Cape Center had operating expenses

1359
02:22:10,050 --> 02:22:13,910
of 17,436 dollars with 4,000 of that

1360
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:15,670
this program costs, which we wouldn't have.

1361
02:22:15,810 --> 02:22:18,370
So that leaves about 13,5.

1362
02:22:18,670 --> 02:22:22,930
It would cost the city to keep the building locked up.

1363
02:22:23,230 --> 02:22:25,370
About 1,000 bucks a month, a little over that.

1364
02:22:26,530 --> 02:22:30,410
Yes, and we add to that what wasn't included in that.

1365
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:50,220
That was the property insurance. So for the, for the, about a year of just keeping that capesenter building open, it would be 16,000, around 16,500 dollars for the general fund. So around there in a 5,000 for property insurance on top of what councilmember.

1366
02:22:50,220 --> 02:23:01,220
We're all in 16,500 to keep up if the, okay, that was for the line bill would it though if it's open it's what you have that is just to

1367
02:23:04,140 --> 02:23:05,420
Door's closed

1368
02:23:05,420 --> 02:23:09,680
The amount of utilities to keep the temperature so

1369
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:15,700
Yeah, not including repairs and five thousand of that was insurance correct property insurance

1370
02:23:15,700 --> 02:23:29,440
This 16,500 per year, excuse me, 16,500 per year, doors closed.

1371
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:34,580
For the city to operate it, we would add about 100,000 to that.

1372
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:35,460
Roughly.

1373
02:23:35,900 --> 02:23:37,960
Yes, because about 90,000 was personnel.

1374
02:23:38,700 --> 02:23:44,580
We solved a financial problem, but we did not solve a door open problem.

1375
02:23:44,580 --> 02:23:49,200
We cut $100,000 on out of the three facilities,

1376
02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:51,540
the one that was least utilized.

1377
02:23:52,380 --> 02:23:56,360
So we were at 16,500 with the doors closed,

1378
02:23:57,560 --> 02:24:01,680
with under the proposal, with BCA coming in,

1379
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:03,580
on that particular facility,

1380
02:24:06,690 --> 02:24:08,570
they will absorb a portion

1381
02:24:08,570 --> 02:24:13,690
of that, the utility portion, right, of the 165.

1382
02:24:13,690 --> 02:24:17,550
Do you know roughly what our costs would be with BCA?

1383
02:24:18,390 --> 02:24:20,650
They of the original 165.

1384
02:24:21,290 --> 02:24:23,810
BCA would have taken on 7,000.

1385
02:24:24,810 --> 02:24:28,270
Okay, so we're at about 9,000 that we would still pay.

1386
02:24:28,810 --> 02:24:34,570
So doors close, we pay 16,500 dollars a year.

1387
02:24:34,830 --> 02:24:37,670
Doors open, we pay 9,000.

1388
02:24:37,870 --> 02:24:42,270
Both of those are better than the city operating it from a financial standpoint.

1389
02:24:42,270 --> 02:24:49,270
And out of the two, it's a no-brainer to have the doors open and you reduce, but what that

1390
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:56,470
9,000 did not include is the cost potentially for anything that needed to be repaired or improved,

1391
02:24:56,690 --> 02:25:02,190
because the likelihood of things getting broken or it holes in the wall or issues is so we should

1392
02:25:02,190 --> 02:25:08,350
responsibly budget. I could not, so if you had another 5,000 that we should budget for miscellaneous,

1393
02:25:08,350 --> 02:25:10,550
unknown repairs that our contract requires.

1394
02:25:11,170 --> 02:25:14,510
To me, it's doors closed, it's 16,500.

1395
02:25:15,610 --> 02:25:19,090
Maybe 15,000 for the doors open.

1396
02:25:19,470 --> 02:25:21,690
Again, doors open is better.

1397
02:25:22,170 --> 02:25:24,470
But we have a financial priority.

1398
02:25:25,090 --> 02:25:27,390
We have a great organization here.

1399
02:25:27,950 --> 02:25:31,670
To me, it was, we need to go out.

1400
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:33,930
We know this information.

1401
02:25:33,930 --> 02:25:52,470
And the idea that BCA, that we should, I'm going to take Bervard Cultural Alliance out of this, the idea that we should select a vendor without going to bid, I am not comfortable with.

1402
02:25:54,600 --> 02:25:58,740
And I don't feel bad about that at all.

1403
02:25:58,740 --> 02:26:09,280
That's that that is not that is not right and I understand that you state that our city attorney told us our city attorney is not saying that's the only way

1404
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:11,800
He's saying this is a way

1405
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:19,880
But financially it doesn't make a big change. He's why are he's scrutiny would be why did you select one company without going to bed?

1406
02:26:20,100 --> 02:26:22,650
Who's going to scrutinize that when the community wants it?

1407
02:26:23,560 --> 02:26:24,980
Who's going to scrutinize that?

1408
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:34,060
the community wants it is and if and if we're within the legal limits is the city attorney has pointed out as in one of the options

1409
02:26:34,060 --> 02:26:43,540
I am a risk at verse financially there's no difference there is no difference in the two financially other than the doors open financially

1410
02:26:43,540 --> 02:26:52,140
So the second thing is I would rather tell the residents who wanted that we put it out to bid and clearly they were the choice

1411
02:26:52,140 --> 02:27:00,220
Right, and we proved it and we followed a traditional procurement process that gives us the ability to go

1412
02:27:00,220 --> 02:27:04,460
Not only were they a great fit, but we looked everything out there and they were the only fit

1413
02:27:04,460 --> 02:27:12,540
And you know what you've done in the interim is you've wasted all that time when they could have been settling in and doing this

1414
02:27:12,540 --> 02:27:25,040
benefits to the city council direct the city council direct the city manager and city attorney to go to BCA and to bring that proposal back when was that ever uttered out of this council.

1415
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:29,680
Do they work at the direction of the council?

1416
02:27:31,080 --> 02:27:34,980
Oh, who are you referring to the city attorney and the city manager?

1417
02:27:34,980 --> 02:27:39,940
The only two that we have control over the city manager in the city attorney.

1418
02:27:39,940 --> 02:27:45,820
Right, and we rely on their expertise and their information.

1419
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:49,000
If our city, yes, I am not questioning.

1420
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:50,860
Well, yes, you are.

1421
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:53,480
I didn't even finish my sentence.

1422
02:27:53,880 --> 02:27:54,540
Oh, yeah.

1423
02:27:55,340 --> 02:27:58,100
Now, you know how that feels, but go ahead.

1424
02:27:58,920 --> 02:28:00,260
Who gave them direction?

1425
02:28:02,140 --> 02:28:03,300
It never happened.

1426
02:28:04,940 --> 02:28:06,140
We didn't have to.

1427
02:28:06,320 --> 02:28:08,820
As he explained to us, it was the CRA.

1428
02:28:08,820 --> 02:28:16,260
we were going to be making arrangements with the CRA and the CRA was going to be the fact that they

1429
02:28:16,260 --> 02:28:22,600
brought a proposal does it mean that they need direction. I'm not questioning that and that's what

1430
02:28:22,600 --> 02:28:28,660
I was going to say. I appreciated what our city manager and city attorney brought forward but it was

1431
02:28:28,660 --> 02:28:34,160
it would be a very different if there was direction given to them and then I'm sitting over here

1432
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:36,280
would unquote wasting time.

1433
02:28:36,280 --> 02:28:38,640
All right, so are we going to do the same thing with these three

1434
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:41,360
gentlemen, if they decide that they want to use what

1435
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:44,180
of office facilities, would it put it off for an RFP?

1436
02:28:44,200 --> 02:28:47,640
This is the problem, you're saying BCA in these.

1437
02:28:48,020 --> 02:28:50,760
And I never since that, uh, mayor pertinent.

1438
02:28:51,060 --> 02:28:52,020
Look, it has to be consistent.

1439
02:28:52,700 --> 02:28:55,720
They are, they are somebody else that is interested.

1440
02:28:55,980 --> 02:28:59,340
And there's others that are not, they're not particularly

1441
02:28:59,340 --> 02:29:01,180
interested in the Cape Center.

1442
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:03,900
They're interested in utilizing what

1443
02:29:03,900 --> 02:29:08,820
we have. I want to explore it. If we would have went back two months ago. But my point

1444
02:29:08,820 --> 02:29:16,040
being, but my point being, if we are going to, excuse me, if we are going to issue an RFP

1445
02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:22,060
for this, we better do it for them too. We better do it for everybody. What do you mean? That's

1446
02:29:22,060 --> 02:29:26,240
what I mean? Well, if we just did these gentlemen want to participate. Are you suggesting

1447
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:30,420
that we would just, we want, why don't we? I don't know. I haven't heard anything otherwise.

1448
02:29:30,420 --> 02:29:51,240
There's one way to procure, wow, there's one way to procure or to lease a building, in my opinion, you put it out to bid, not to this organization, the BCR anyone in its public, and it runs through our expertise of our city staff.

1449
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:59,240
Okay, I will the seed to you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's just like the C5 in 2018.

1450
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,380
They were rolling forward and I said, hey, can we have a workshop? Can we do something? And I said,

1451
02:30:06,620 --> 02:30:15,160
I'm not against this project, I'm against the process that I am here again. And a lot

1452
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:22,020
of the support from the community, those community might support the BCA, I've heard a tremendous

1453
02:30:22,020 --> 02:30:28,340
amount of support for them. I've heard a lot of support for a lot of the things we've done, but

1454
02:30:28,340 --> 02:30:33,340
There's nothing that comes close to the support of what I am saying.

1455
02:30:34,540 --> 02:30:36,460
Procedure is everything.

1456
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:43,140
There's nothing that the reason people load politicians

1457
02:30:43,140 --> 02:30:46,400
and elected officials is when there's favoritism,

1458
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:49,040
when there's no bid, when there's no process.

1459
02:30:49,880 --> 02:30:51,340
My thought is,

1460
02:30:51,340 --> 02:31:00,400
Bearer Timberall, one potential interesting opportunity, there's more out there and to be

1461
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:10,720
a huge of the things that you've stated is very unprofessional, Council Member King, very unprofessional.

1462
02:31:11,220 --> 02:31:18,320
I'm going to get spanked, like a don got spanked last meeting that we had for taking the initiative

1463
02:31:18,320 --> 02:31:20,700
to do a Friday fest.

1464
02:31:20,700 --> 02:31:23,020
You're going to talk about on professional.

1465
02:31:23,500 --> 02:31:26,080
That was extraordinarily unprofessional.

1466
02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:29,380
Nobody's being accused of anything.

1467
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:32,160
I brought facts.

1468
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,500
You brought suspicion.

1469
02:31:35,300 --> 02:31:35,640
Your were.

1470
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:36,560
I have facts.

1471
02:31:36,900 --> 02:31:38,380
You brought suspicion.

1472
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,660
Let's stick to the matter.

1473
02:31:41,800 --> 02:31:43,520
I really don't want to go about today.

1474
02:31:44,100 --> 02:31:48,400
We're talking about three facilities on the agenda.

1475
02:31:48,400 --> 02:31:53,400
I would like to give the City Manager and City Attorney direction.

1476
02:31:53,740 --> 02:32:01,560
I think we've established that we would like to stay as close to their uses without closing the door on perspective bitters,

1477
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:12,340
such as we've heard today and or others, and allow our City staff to work within the as close to the service level,

1478
02:32:12,340 --> 02:32:16,680
that the citizens have communicated to ask councilmember Willis established.

1479
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:23,360
And I think we all agree, I can't speak for councilmember Shoryak, I think he's willing

1480
02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:29,400
to cast a wider net, but if that's the direction, I'm not sure about Nancy Hanson.

1481
02:32:29,580 --> 02:32:32,380
I think the priority, there's two.

1482
02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:38,560
One is today, let's roll out the volunteer program full force.

1483
02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:39,560
We've heard it.

1484
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:42,000
We've heard amazing models like Health First.

1485
02:32:42,140 --> 02:32:46,480
We've seen Gwendolyn Lisa and so many others that's willing to contribute.

1486
02:32:47,800 --> 02:32:49,460
Let's get that role in now.

1487
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:58,360
Let's get the documents submitted and don't cast a wide net, cast it within what it's zoning

1488
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:00,860
with both of them are in the CRA plan.

1489
02:33:01,020 --> 02:33:09,440
All of them are and try to get back as expeditiously as possible and opportunity for this

1490
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:16,460
Council to use a procurement process that aligns with the way we've procured pretty much everything

1491
02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:18,380
else within our city.

1492
02:33:18,920 --> 02:33:20,400
And that's it.

1493
02:33:20,500 --> 02:33:21,080
Yes, ma'am.

1494
02:33:21,980 --> 02:33:28,300
I just want to clarify, make sure we understand, because I understand what you're saying

1495
02:33:28,300 --> 02:33:30,700
and I'm driving them going through the same process.

1496
02:33:31,380 --> 02:33:37,680
An RFP everyone goes through the same process and any interested party it's made public

1497
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:47,560
for any interested party to show up and show their interest in putting in a proposal for

1498
02:33:47,560 --> 02:33:48,000
that.

1499
02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:54,260
It is the normal way that things are done within the contractual and bidding process.

1500
02:33:55,040 --> 02:34:00,440
And when you said they're going to go through the same thing, it will be a situation where

1501
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:02,600
everyone will go through the same thing.

1502
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:09,880
and actually, it would give bravard cultural alliance a chance to look at what they have

1503
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:18,540
and give them time to tighten some marketing up on it or whatever that there may be,

1504
02:34:18,820 --> 02:34:25,800
but it makes an even playing field for anyone that is going to put a proposal in and that's the normal

1505
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:32,760
process, so it's not targeted for one individual or another. As we look at going forward,

1506
02:34:33,460 --> 02:34:40,340
you know, we have BCA that has interest and we obviously have people in the room here that

1507
02:34:40,340 --> 02:34:46,060
have interest. We have a lot of other people that may not be communicating in here, they may

1508
02:34:46,060 --> 02:34:50,400
not even be here, that they're communicating with me and they're saying make sure the contracts

1509
02:34:50,400 --> 02:34:57,320
right. We have this group that is expressed interest. Could they benefit our city in other ways

1510
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:06,040
they certainly can. So for me it actually works well for everyone if we look at that because

1511
02:35:06,040 --> 02:35:14,540
they just looked at things today. They don't have a solidified plan. BCA has a good idea. I would

1512
02:35:14,540 --> 02:35:20,280
like to see some more marketing and maybe numbers on some of the events that you've had here so

1513
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:26,420
because I know you've already done some of those for us, so you're going to know the success of those.

1514
02:35:26,900 --> 02:35:38,300
But without doing thoughtful research and how we do it, we're just sitting in and it's just contentious.

1515
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:49,780
So I would like to say, I want to make a motion we do RFP for the various things like you talked about the C5 and Nancy Hanson for Sports Management.

1516
02:35:49,780 --> 02:36:00,100
And for things that stay within as this was to find cultural arts, preservation, and what was the enrichment.

1517
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:01,080
Enrichment.

1518
02:36:01,240 --> 02:36:03,820
I want to say environment because I'm worried about it that.

1519
02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:13,900
Because it will benefit all of us and it gives even playing field and even longer for questions to be answered.

1520
02:36:13,900 --> 02:36:23,340
And that gives BCA the adopted opportunity because we didn't get to finish answering questions or ask some questions last time.

1521
02:36:23,500 --> 02:36:30,060
So I just think that that's the prudent way to go and that's my opinion one and five.

1522
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:43,160
Okay, and then you said, you want to make a motion, I'm going to say that if there is a no motion, but the let's take Nancy Hanson, we want to

1523
02:36:43,160 --> 02:36:45,960
and I can withdraw it until we finalize the sketch.

1524
02:36:45,980 --> 02:36:47,580
Well, I didn't even sense it.

1525
02:36:47,580 --> 02:36:49,000
You said you want to make a motion.

1526
02:36:49,180 --> 02:36:51,120
If that was a formal motion, then absolutely

1527
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:52,200
I recognize it.

1528
02:36:52,660 --> 02:36:54,240
But Mr. Mayor, somebody in the audience

1529
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:54,980
wants to point out something.

1530
02:36:55,260 --> 02:36:57,360
I got to go to our parliamentarian.

1531
02:36:57,380 --> 02:36:58,780
This has came up in the past.

1532
02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:01,960
City Attorney Point of Information is what I'm hearing.

1533
02:37:04,220 --> 02:37:05,300
Point of information.

1534
02:37:07,180 --> 02:37:08,600
But I mean, the council's discussion

1535
02:37:10,180 --> 02:37:12,180
discussing and it looks like it's

1536
02:37:12,180 --> 02:37:14,400
you're ready to make a motion, right?

1537
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:18,560
So I mean, I would continue that discussion and make a motion

1538
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:20,520
and then open it up for public input.

1539
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:23,000
I will say this, a motion does not mean we're

1540
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:24,200
going to make a decision.

1541
02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:26,920
So I will, unless this counts overall,

1542
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:28,740
give you the opportunity to speak.

1543
02:37:28,840 --> 02:37:30,420
Let us get this motion out.

1544
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:36,900
Does it mean we're going to decide on it? We can resend it. And then we can have an order because we're trying to move along here.

1545
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:45,340
If you're going to speak Mr. Visdomani, go ahead.

1546
02:37:54,600 --> 02:38:01,920
Well, we will open it up for some public participation. That's a question and it's valid and it's captured.

1547
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:09,800
We have procurement policies that I think address your question on highest bidder and how we do it.

1548
02:38:09,800 --> 02:38:14,980
You'll have an opportunity to speak before this council makes any decision, Mr. Visadamni.

1549
02:38:15,180 --> 02:38:17,220
I will do my best.

1550
02:38:19,940 --> 02:38:24,050
So, let's do this.

1551
02:38:24,610 --> 02:38:25,710
We have volunteers.

1552
02:38:26,610 --> 02:38:27,830
We have three facilities.

1553
02:38:28,130 --> 02:38:38,170
Is it the desire the council to embrace and to roll out in the short term the volunteer program until we make a decision on these facilities?

1554
02:38:38,170 --> 02:38:39,210
Yes.

1555
02:38:40,690 --> 02:38:40,710
Okay.

1556
02:38:41,410 --> 02:38:42,050
City Manager.

1557
02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:47,110
I think, near-per-term, you had stated the date of the next one or maybe one else

1558
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:47,890
nose.

1559
02:38:49,070 --> 02:38:55,010
City Manager, that's something that this council can give you any more direction or support

1560
02:38:55,010 --> 02:39:03,850
or resources to focus on the willingness of the volunteers, Miss Betsy Ranc,

1561
02:39:09,430 --> 02:39:09,430
obviously

1562
02:39:09,430 --> 02:39:12,650
And that's Sam and the team.

1563
02:39:13,050 --> 02:39:16,590
So I'd like to have some conversation about volunteers in general.

1564
02:39:17,830 --> 02:39:28,010
So first and foremost, they would be used to provide those services that paid employees did prior to there being no paid employees.

1565
02:39:28,510 --> 02:39:33,850
So that would be the first function we would have to have them fill out their applications.

1566
02:39:34,530 --> 02:39:39,210
There might be some training involved, there's some background and then there would be obviously stopping.

1567
02:39:39,210 --> 02:39:45,990
we have a volunteer coordinator who is a full-time employee and we're looking at a hierarchy if you will

1568
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:53,270
of volunteer structure so that we can better disseminate information in the workload amongst them.

1569
02:39:53,390 --> 02:39:56,770
I have no idea how many volunteers that we're going to have I've heard general numbers.

1570
02:39:56,850 --> 02:40:02,850
Our workshop is not until November 5th and that is not a council workshop.

1571
02:40:02,850 --> 02:40:10,010
that is a staff workshop, just so everybody knows, and it will be in a believe it will be in this room.

1572
02:40:12,170 --> 02:40:19,890
So we would have to look at if the C5 is currently being operated by a full-time employee,

1573
02:40:20,170 --> 02:40:26,730
but it's only up in five days a week. We could potentially train volunteers to help with that to extend those hours.

1574
02:40:26,730 --> 02:40:33,950
that's a possibility until such time as we transfer the use or the operation in that facility

1575
02:40:33,950 --> 02:40:41,370
over to someone who gets awarded the bid, right? Secondly, it would be Nancy Hanson. This is the

1576
02:40:41,370 --> 02:40:47,610
first conversation that I've been a part of where we've even considered going RAP on Nancy. It is

1577
02:40:47,610 --> 02:40:53,210
running itself. We've been getting accolades from the tennis and the pickleball community about

1578
02:40:53,210 --> 02:40:54,630
how they're working together.

1579
02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:59,190
The schedule is satisfactory and there are no issues there.

1580
02:41:00,110 --> 02:41:05,210
It is, I don't want to say historic, but it's probably the oldest recreational amenity

1581
02:41:05,210 --> 02:41:07,090
in the city kit, Canaveral.

1582
02:41:07,770 --> 02:41:13,870
I think the Council could benefit from hearing from the public on whether or not they want

1583
02:41:13,870 --> 02:41:18,910
that operated by an independent entity or keep it within the city structure.

1584
02:41:18,910 --> 02:41:25,070
I know our goal is to increase our revenue perhaps at some point we would be able to increase staff

1585
02:41:25,070 --> 02:41:28,130
to where the city could continue to operate the Nancy Hansen

1586
02:41:28,590 --> 02:41:31,650
and the facilities there it is within the CRA.

1587
02:41:32,770 --> 02:41:37,130
And there are opportunities to grow and enhance the entire complex here

1588
02:41:37,130 --> 02:41:44,230
that are adjacent to the CRA with the shuffle board and whatever else the council may want to consider.

1589
02:41:44,230 --> 02:41:50,530
So I just offer that information when it comes to Nancy Hanson there are a lot of it's not just the building

1590
02:41:50,530 --> 02:41:55,170
It's obviously the the other amenities the courts that that are there

1591
02:41:55,170 --> 02:42:01,070
That the city can immunitize even further if it wants to you know do that through the CRA

1592
02:42:02,350 --> 02:42:06,890
And then finally the Cape Center stands alone as an independent facility clearly

1593
02:42:06,890 --> 02:42:13,530
But back to the volunteers we would train them first to supplement the work done by paid employees and then the other

1594
02:42:13,530 --> 02:42:20,470
form of Ontario would be those that would want to do city events, should the city want to

1595
02:42:20,470 --> 02:42:28,650
continue its events that it has done or let other private groups come in to do those events

1596
02:42:28,650 --> 02:42:35,050
like Friday fast or what have you and that would be a separate conversation about volunteers.

1597
02:42:35,310 --> 02:42:41,250
But first and foremost we want to nail down who we have, what they're capable of, how many

1598
02:42:41,250 --> 02:42:47,350
staffing and so forth. And I can't really pin that down for you until we have this meeting

1599
02:42:47,350 --> 02:42:50,750
and are able to structure their services moving forward.

1600
02:42:52,490 --> 02:42:58,450
Thank you very much. It was my, I know that Nancy Hanson was brought up. It was two meetings ago.

1601
02:42:58,730 --> 02:43:05,490
I think we had said, Anne Nancy Hanson, and is my understanding that, you know, we've got volunteers

1602
02:43:05,490 --> 02:43:08,030
who's worked hard willing to step up.

1603
02:43:08,270 --> 02:43:17,570
But if we're going to go out with the C5 and potentially seek interested parties, was the

1604
02:43:17,570 --> 02:43:22,890
thought from Council that we would want Nancy Hanson to be a part of that, my gut is

1605
02:43:22,890 --> 02:43:28,490
saying we would roll if volunteers hold us through the short term on these two facilities,

1606
02:43:29,630 --> 02:43:35,250
the goal would be can we keep Nancy Hanson going with a volunteer program and in

1607
02:43:35,250 --> 02:43:43,410
concentrated into the one and we would not seek beds. I think if we put the C5 out for a

1608
02:43:43,410 --> 02:43:50,230
bed, we could potentially mention this C5 but it's just an option but it's not our primary

1609
02:43:50,230 --> 02:43:56,610
interest and obviously that's dependent on the willingness of the volunteers to continue and so

1610
02:43:56,610 --> 02:44:01,570
I don't think we know it enough until really November 5th but Merfor Tim you'd mention Nancy

1611
02:44:01,570 --> 02:44:09,090
Hanson, do you think that's important to include with the C5 under sports and I think it is?

1612
02:44:09,230 --> 02:44:16,810
If I know that you were working on, were you working on locks just during the staff on?

1613
02:44:17,090 --> 02:44:24,130
Some kind of securing the court so that, or we just leaving it open, the one thing I didn't notice.

1614
02:44:24,810 --> 02:44:32,330
And I was super impressed because I'm going to tell you, they have set up a seismic page

1615
02:44:32,850 --> 02:44:37,310
for instance, Nancy Henson, they're in there, they're working together, they're talking

1616
02:44:37,310 --> 02:44:42,450
about, you know, court time and that kind of thing and I was like, wow, this, they really

1617
02:44:42,450 --> 02:44:45,990
have worked together to overcome this.

1618
02:44:46,190 --> 02:44:54,110
But I just want to make sure because I heard on the other hand, I had feedback that, well,

1619
02:44:54,110 --> 02:45:00,410
is over her plan and I want to go up there in the court's physics. So, for me...

1620
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,760
My priority, if I was looking at it, was the C5. Because that's a big facility for one person to accommodate, and we're all reduced hours on that. And that was already one of the things that was given to me as feedback the last three years as, well, I'd go there and work out and wouldn't have my membership over on Maran Island, except for that by the time I get off from work at the, you know, and get home.

1621
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:38,900
it's closed. So I think that could have potential in hand services, but without knowing what

1622
02:45:38,900 --> 02:45:44,940
that would cost, I don't know whether it's best for the volunteers to handle it. I think it would

1623
02:45:44,940 --> 02:45:51,040
be best for them to understand what that would look like and make a decision as they're looking

1624
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:57,600
setting up this volunteer program. That's just my own, my own, one, five, a pin. So for me,

1625
02:45:58,480 --> 02:46:05,580
C5 is what I would pick first along with the volunteer because we may end up looking at it and they

1626
02:46:05,580 --> 02:46:12,840
may have their meeting and determine that the volunteers are best shoes for pulling off all the

1627
02:46:12,840 --> 02:46:19,260
events and all of that, but not manning these facilities. We just don't know until we know numbers

1628
02:46:19,260 --> 02:46:27,160
to look at how do we know that. So for me I want people to have access and like I said I was

1629
02:46:27,860 --> 02:46:33,280
I was impressed by the number of people that I saw at the C5 this morning. There were a lot of

1630
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:39,980
people playing. There were people immediately in the white room and that sort of thing the minute it

1631
02:46:39,980 --> 02:46:45,700
opened and that shows you the popularity of that facility. So I just want to make sure the

1632
02:46:45,700 --> 02:46:52,700
services are there for citizens, but without that number on the, you know, what it would

1633
02:46:52,700 --> 02:46:59,280
look like for a vendor that provided the, you know, the operational side of it.

1634
02:46:59,600 --> 02:47:05,540
It's hard for me as a volunteer, if I was in the volunteer shoes, it'd be hard to know what's

1635
02:47:05,540 --> 02:47:08,160
the best thing and how to gauge that.

1636
02:47:08,680 --> 02:47:18,140
Okay, I think we have volunteers, obviously, Nancy Hansen and the C5, we're going to be our next regular meeting will be November.

1637
02:47:19,060 --> 02:47:23,300
Between now and then, I don't anticipate any major changes from what we're doing.

1638
02:47:23,300 --> 02:47:26,400
You're going to know a lot more, I think, under that November 5th meeting.

1639
02:47:27,020 --> 02:47:34,600
So, for us to state, I think volunteers, as we can remember well, listen, we've talked about, I think consensus on, yes, we won't volunteer.

1640
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:40,140
years, I don't think anyone's saying to ramp anything up between now and the regular meeting.

1641
02:47:40,780 --> 02:47:46,420
We're already utilizing volunteers, there's a schedule meeting on the fifth, maybe that

1642
02:47:46,420 --> 02:47:47,720
enhances it.

1643
02:47:48,220 --> 02:47:52,160
My big point for saying that was we had three facilities, it would be my preference, we

1644
02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:54,180
do not prioritize Nancy Hanson.

1645
02:47:54,400 --> 02:47:57,180
Let's keep that going as our city manager gives us updates.

1646
02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:04,480
And if the team works on anything, it would be to go out and draft an RFP within the

1647
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:11,060
scope of what this facility services provided are provided today for the C5 and then separately

1648
02:48:11,060 --> 02:48:19,440
for the Cape Center and try to run those, I think, together and if, you know, it takes

1649
02:48:19,440 --> 02:48:21,940
30 days potentially,

1650
02:48:24,520 --> 02:48:30,020
you know, could we have something here in the next month or two to issue?

1651
02:48:30,020 --> 02:48:38,040
I think on the volunteers council, I'm not sure there's any, we heard feedback from our city manager.

1652
02:48:38,520 --> 02:48:44,020
We're not saying to increase volunteers. There's already a meeting here in about a week.

1653
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:51,500
Yeah, on the fifth, it's a little over a week. So we're not asking him to expedite beyond what he's already doing.

1654
02:48:51,500 --> 02:48:59,460
So, I don't think there's no change in direction, but as far as between now and the

1655
02:48:59,460 --> 02:49:05,980
third, Tuesday and November, if we could have at least a draft RSP, that would be

1656
02:49:05,980 --> 02:49:12,860
wonderful for the C5 and the Cape Center, is that what the Council...

1657
02:49:14,100 --> 02:49:19,120
Excuse me, why wouldn't we include Nancy Hanson, we're losing money, we're losing money

1658
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:20,520
there, right?

1659
02:49:20,980 --> 02:49:23,180
Because everything is on the honor system.

1660
02:49:24,780 --> 02:49:27,720
Yeah, I'd have to agree that we're, let's do it all.

1661
02:49:28,140 --> 02:49:29,440
Look at all of our options.

1662
02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:30,400
OK.

1663
02:49:30,600 --> 02:49:37,180
Well, the council would decide in November if the city manager

1664
02:49:37,180 --> 02:49:40,340
and attorney bring all three, we would ultimately have to vote,

1665
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:42,600
which ones we'd want to send out to RFP.

1666
02:49:42,700 --> 02:49:47,460
And I think for the sake of time now, council,

1667
02:49:47,460 --> 02:49:54,460
Do we want to see what it would look like to put C5 needs a hands-in and Cape Center out to bid?

1668
02:49:55,000 --> 02:50:01,540
I think it would take a lot for me to actually let go of Nancy Hanson.

1669
02:50:01,820 --> 02:50:06,940
I love the volunteers, but thoughts on that.

1670
02:50:07,320 --> 02:50:11,400
It's really, do we want all three or one or two of the three?

1671
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:14,900
Well, if I can say if we're going to do one, let's do them all.

1672
02:50:15,020 --> 02:50:17,320
And let's see what kind of money we can bring into the city.

1673
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:34,500
And the volunteers can be the backstop, the backfill rather to the people who win the bid, if they want volunteers, or the volunteers can do special events, but in the meantime we'll be making money.

1674
02:50:35,500 --> 02:50:43,760
Yeah, and I just want to emphasize we have making money and saving money and both of those together provide a positive financial impact.

1675
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:51,200
We have already taken the step to provide a positive financial impact on all three facilities.

1676
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:57,740
We are met with a service-level challenge that we're trying to work through.

1677
02:50:58,580 --> 02:51:00,000
But we've done that work.

1678
02:51:00,020 --> 02:51:01,600
We have moved forward with that.

1679
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:02,580
It's been difficult.

1680
02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:06,200
And we are now trying to figure out how do we increase the service level.

1681
02:51:06,740 --> 02:51:11,760
And the finance is a value add that potentially could solve it,

1682
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:18,900
especially with the C-5 in Cape Center and okay, I support that.

1683
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:24,020
I think if we want to go to all three, we'll ultimately decide if we want all three to go out

1684
02:51:24,020 --> 02:51:30,380
and some sort of draft, at least, would be I think what direction would be appropriate

1685
02:51:30,380 --> 02:51:37,940
or whatever motion this council wants to make, but our city manager has questions or city attorney

1686
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:45,460
Before any motion is made, does that make sense?

1687
02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:55,080
What we're just talking through is if we basically did a, not a silly, a full RFP package,

1688
02:51:55,240 --> 02:52:02,800
but basically what would we, a scope of what we would look to seek and bids for the three facilities?

1689
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:05,600
Is that, are there any challenges there?

1690
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:17,480
yes please that's my question yeah so city attorney is it is it easily done for you

1691
02:52:17,480 --> 02:52:20,960
to do all three of them simultaneously because

1692
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:28,820
it shouldn't you know it should just

1693
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:34,200
On the other side, I don't know if you'd like to hear what you're saying about it.

1694
02:52:38,400 --> 02:52:38,980
Okay.

1695
02:52:47,560 --> 02:52:54,640
On Nancy Hanson's bike and money though, and in capes and I'm not being ugly, but it's saving us money.

1696
02:52:54,920 --> 02:52:59,000
It's 1500 a month for it to sit there until we get to it.

1697
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:05,700
So, for me, the two were making many on if we were going to have to, but I was just wanting

1698
02:53:05,700 --> 02:53:07,740
that was how hard that would be.

1699
02:53:08,200 --> 02:53:11,280
Well, there would be some staff time in addition to the attorney.

1700
02:53:11,660 --> 02:53:14,040
I mean, we've worked on our piece of four.

1701
02:53:14,260 --> 02:53:18,960
We're going to need to come up with the makeup of the facility, square foot, you know,

1702
02:53:19,160 --> 02:53:19,720
under air.

1703
02:53:19,820 --> 02:53:24,940
There's a lot of things to do to put into that, to be able to put that out there, and that

1704
02:53:24,940 --> 02:53:26,320
will require some staff assistance.

1705
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:31,880
And so, if you want all three, we can work in that direction, but if you want to prioritize

1706
02:53:31,880 --> 02:53:33,300
that's what we get.

1707
02:53:33,300 --> 02:53:36,060
And until we get you the three, what's the first second third?

1708
02:53:36,980 --> 02:53:44,380
So, which one earns the most money as far as, you know, revenue with the programs?

1709
02:53:45,800 --> 02:53:47,300
I would say the C5 does.

1710
02:53:47,420 --> 02:53:47,840
Okay.

1711
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:49,500
So, C5 is first.

1712
02:53:49,500 --> 02:53:55,860
And then, of course, Cape Sinner, none right now, and then Nancy Hanson is second.

1713
02:53:56,500 --> 02:53:59,420
And Joey, can you give us the figures on those?

1714
02:54:01,980 --> 02:54:05,240
Yeah, I can go back and look into those numbers.

1715
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:13,040
I think that'd be good for canceled, but, you know, I think if we look at that, because you

1716
02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:17,880
have a good point of including Nancy Hanson on those.

1717
02:54:17,880 --> 02:54:22,940
And we should look at the ones that are going to bring this revenue as far as restoration

1718
02:54:22,940 --> 02:54:26,380
of those first in my opinion, but that's one of the things.

1719
02:54:27,420 --> 02:54:30,680
How are we collecting revenue on Nancy Hanson?

1720
02:54:31,120 --> 02:54:32,120
We're not.

1721
02:54:32,300 --> 02:54:40,400
I mean, we're looking at doing an honor system and any form of electronic or, you know,

1722
02:54:40,480 --> 02:54:45,240
scanic your code payment is a system we'd have to research and that's going to cost money

1723
02:54:45,240 --> 02:54:48,040
and you know, our budget is limited, so on.

1724
02:54:49,020 --> 02:54:49,780
But we had it.

1725
02:54:49,780 --> 02:54:52,480
We had income before, so we have some numbers

1726
02:54:52,480 --> 02:54:54,420
to kind of compare on that.

1727
02:54:55,780 --> 02:55:00,660
We have 46,000 in revenue from Nancy Hanson in 28, 425.

1728
02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:03,500
So that will not be.

1729
02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:07,680
And what on the C5, do you know, 120,000?

1730
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:13,300
So, so right there, 120,000, and you said 64?

1731
02:55:13,300 --> 02:55:20,120
46. 46. I didn't need to clarify, thank you Samantha, that we do have instructors who

1732
02:55:20,120 --> 02:55:26,140
render least a space for their classes in Nancy Hanson and they let themselves in and out.

1733
02:55:26,380 --> 02:55:32,700
And so there is some revenue there, but not clearly the 46,000 that we were bringing in.

1734
02:55:34,220 --> 02:55:40,600
Those two facilities, the quicker that we get them covered and back into operation with the

1735
02:55:40,600 --> 02:55:47,320
package is that we have voted in before the more revenue you have to work with for that was

1736
02:55:47,320 --> 02:55:53,940
buildings. So in the Cape Center brought zero. I don't know. Correct.

1737
02:55:54,620 --> 02:56:00,060
Zero. And I know when we talked about it at that meeting, I think February March is because

1738
02:56:00,060 --> 02:56:07,500
they had not had a fee schedule. Yes, that's right. That's fair. But the other part of the equation

1739
02:56:07,500 --> 02:56:12,900
is that's just revenue. Well, there were classes that were held there again similar to Nancy

1740
02:56:12,900 --> 02:56:20,100
Hanson. Yeah, that was that revenue was nominal. But the 46,000 in Nancy Hanson revenue also came

1741
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:32,140
with a cost. The cost was a hundred and looks like we had 115,000 in labor and 27,000 in other operating

1742
02:56:32,140 --> 02:56:39,780
expenses. Okay, so I think if we just held the 27,000, right? Like that's basically, it was

1743
02:56:39,780 --> 02:56:48,840
$100,000 loss, roughly. Not in 1996, yeah. And so we've eliminated the 115,000 and we

1744
02:56:48,840 --> 02:56:55,680
probably still got close to 20,000 in overhead. And so I think that we have to look at revenue,

1745
02:56:56,400 --> 02:57:02,120
expenses, and then ultimately that's the financial impact on the facility. And we've

1746
02:57:02,120 --> 02:57:05,140
We've reduced all the expenditures on those.

1747
02:57:05,180 --> 02:57:07,900
So if Cape Center was zero, that's easy.

1748
02:57:08,120 --> 02:57:10,720
We was 125 a year cost roughly.

1749
02:57:11,420 --> 02:57:12,900
And we've now got it down to 25.

1750
02:57:13,100 --> 02:57:17,140
So instead of losing 125, we're only losing 25,000 roughly.

1751
02:57:17,740 --> 02:57:19,100
And I know my numbers aren't perfect.

1752
02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:23,200
But I think that's the point here is we've already,

1753
02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:26,320
there's a fine interchange.

1754
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:28,600
There was some bleeding for lack of better words

1755
02:57:28,600 --> 02:57:29,420
that was happening.

1756
02:57:30,900 --> 02:57:36,900
We've closed that off, we've established that all three facilities are potential revenue

1757
02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:45,180
opportunities without the high cost, and there's one thing that I would state in our city

1758
02:57:45,180 --> 02:57:49,400
managers desired to ask priority C5 being number one.

1759
02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:56,700
I would go as far to say that look, I wouldn't prioritize it based on necessarily revenue.

1760
02:57:56,700 --> 02:58:01,900
I would put the Cape Center based on what we know about

1761
02:58:01,900 --> 02:58:02,960
interested parties.

1762
02:58:03,400 --> 02:58:05,360
Here's the value of knowing BCA.

1763
02:58:05,620 --> 02:58:07,040
I would not say they're third.

1764
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:13,120
I would state it would be a mistake to state that Nancy Hanson's

1765
02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:16,520
before C5, no doubt that it's more revenue potential.

1766
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:19,420
But we have an interested party who's here,

1767
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:25,380
and potentially, to me, I think that deserves a priority.

1768
02:58:25,380 --> 02:58:33,760
and so I would put Nancy Hansen as the third. Ideally we could have all three but if not put

1769
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:41,860
capes in or at the top just to get that out to respect our neighbors here in the county at BCA and

1770
02:58:41,860 --> 02:58:50,440
I don't want them waiting on a C5 and Nancy Hansen and then we miss an opportunity. I recognize

1771
02:58:50,440 --> 02:58:56,340
the opportunity. I just want to follow a process that that's fair. So thank you.

1772
02:58:56,400 --> 02:59:01,680
Mr. Mayor. Yes sir. To your point, we're not having to worry about volunteers for the

1773
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:09,180
Cape Center. So to your point that makes sense to be first because we're trying to put people

1774
02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:15,200
in place. Volunteers in place for the other two facilities. So I think Cape Center first

1775
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:20,260
C5 second and the Nancy Hanson third.

1776
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:21,220
Yep.

1777
02:59:22,200 --> 02:59:24,480
I think if we can get those.

1778
02:59:28,700 --> 02:59:30,460
Council, let's talk through that.

1779
02:59:30,540 --> 02:59:33,020
And then I think we can really, I think, move on.

1780
02:59:33,260 --> 02:59:35,680
And the goal of this was give direction on these facilities.

1781
02:59:36,360 --> 02:59:40,000
We have volunteers today on two of the three.

1782
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:42,320
We've communicated hours.

1783
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,680
No, but we want to look at all three. We've established that. City manager with limited resources wanted

1784
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:15,920
to know the priority. I would say the Cape and C5 should be the highest. Ideally, we'd see

1785
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:24,800
all three if I could wave a magic wand. But I'd rather have Cape and C5 out than to have a draft

1786
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:26,300
of all three.

1787
03:00:26,640 --> 03:00:30,940
I dare they have a final version of least a couple of them, then yeah.

1788
03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:39,160
So council, if that's what we want to do, let's discuss it, make a motion so that we

1789
03:00:39,160 --> 03:00:40,280
can give direction.

1790
03:00:42,660 --> 03:00:45,180
We all agree it's all three facilities, correct?

1791
03:00:46,660 --> 03:00:48,720
Is that, that's been pretty clear?

1792
03:00:50,820 --> 03:01:04,900
The order in which our limited resource and city staff works on, the Cape Center's obviously been top of mind, I think that that one would probably take the least amount of resources, it's the least complex, it's the smallest property.

1793
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:19,640
I don't think it's going to take a significant, it's a very specified, literally the name of the facility says what we want it to do, culture, arts, preservation, enrichment to where you got 20,000 square feet over here.

1794
03:01:19,640 --> 03:01:26,360
As the second priority and then if we could have Nancy Hanson tag along behind it, that'd be great

1795
03:01:26,360 --> 03:01:31,040
But it getting those two out is that with the council wants to do?

1796
03:01:34,340 --> 03:01:35,480
This quickly is awesome

1797
03:01:45,020 --> 03:01:54,340
Okay council if that if we want to make a motion and just to be efficient city manager would a motion with

1798
03:01:54,340 --> 03:02:03,220
With clarifying two things, the, well, just one is the priority level of the three facilities

1799
03:02:03,220 --> 03:02:08,320
that we'd like to have something, whether it's draft or final between now and the next

1800
03:02:08,320 --> 03:02:08,660
meeting.

1801
03:02:09,540 --> 03:02:14,200
I think that's our city manager wants to do, and so Council, if anyone wants to make a motion,

1802
03:02:14,200 --> 03:02:33,070
establishing direction of the city manager to put together the materials for the RFP and the order of those amongst the three facilities.

1803
03:02:37,390 --> 03:02:45,370
We move to direct the city manager to prepare an RFP for the council for the three facilities.

1804
03:02:45,370 --> 03:02:52,390
Prior to being first priority, capesenter, second, community center, and third, Nancy Hanson,

1805
03:02:53,290 --> 03:02:54,250
recreational center.

1806
03:02:55,070 --> 03:02:55,290
Second.

1807
03:02:56,030 --> 03:03:00,110
Got a motion by Council Member Shorriak and a second by Council Member Willis.

1808
03:03:00,370 --> 03:03:02,790
As stated, City Clerk, is there any clarity on that motion?

1809
03:03:03,690 --> 03:03:04,650
City manager?

1810
03:03:05,370 --> 03:03:06,230
That good?

1811
03:03:06,630 --> 03:03:06,810
Good.

1812
03:03:06,810 --> 03:03:08,270
Any discussion, Council?

1813
03:03:09,830 --> 03:03:13,230
As promised, I, to add the public, we would not make a final decision.

1814
03:03:13,230 --> 03:03:17,510
Council unless we oppose. I would like to give the opportunity for those who would like to speak.

1815
03:03:17,910 --> 03:03:23,650
We're at 4 o'clock PM. And I know our city attorney is on the tight schedule. We would ask

1816
03:03:23,650 --> 03:03:30,810
Council if this isn't traditional for us to go back out back, but public participation is important to us.

1817
03:03:31,130 --> 03:03:38,690
And so Mr. Visadamani, if you'd like to speak, please come on forward and anyone else, we'd ask

1818
03:03:38,690 --> 03:03:43,890
that you just follow, when Mr. Bistanoma is done, please thank you.

1819
03:03:47,320 --> 03:03:47,580
Thank you.

1820
03:03:50,980 --> 03:04:00,060
I'm kind of taking back your outsourcing, all the recreational things we have in the city.

1821
03:04:00,800 --> 03:04:07,680
And that's fine, except once you do that, you lose control of what the charges are going to be.

1822
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:12,540
how often they're going to be open, more or less every aspect of it.

1823
03:04:13,160 --> 03:04:17,760
I don't see why we have to do that at this point.

1824
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:18,720
Maybe I'm wrong.

1825
03:04:20,700 --> 03:04:23,060
Nancy Anson seems to be fine the way it is.

1826
03:04:23,320 --> 03:04:27,280
Yes, because put some volunteers, there's a woman here that said she could put this together.

1827
03:04:27,480 --> 03:04:30,800
We could have someone that collected the money if that's Nancy Anson.

1828
03:04:31,260 --> 03:04:35,600
You're saying that, as far as I spoke to the general about the C5,

1829
03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:42,700
And he's saying, we're pretty close to what we were doing before, even with the one person there.

1830
03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:44,740
So maybe we can do that.

1831
03:04:45,740 --> 03:04:49,100
I think you might have ended the BCA.

1832
03:04:50,400 --> 03:04:55,360
So with the fact of putting it out for a bit and prolonging it further,

1833
03:04:56,580 --> 03:04:59,300
I just don't understand what direction we're going.

1834
03:04:59,820 --> 03:05:04,300
If you wanted to do this from the beginning, we should just put this out for the beginning for a bit.

1835
03:05:04,300 --> 03:05:09,880
I mean, we knew months ago that we were in this situation, we weren't making money.

1836
03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:16,260
So why do we get to this point, and then do it after, like I say, you have a core of

1837
03:05:16,260 --> 03:05:17,660
volunteers, you have other people.

1838
03:05:18,300 --> 03:05:21,260
If someone takes over the building, it makes a bid on it.

1839
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:23,040
They're not going to want volunteers there.

1840
03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:24,520
They're going to have their staff there.

1841
03:05:24,620 --> 03:05:26,020
They're going to have people that are running the building.

1842
03:05:26,600 --> 03:05:27,400
They're only making sense.

1843
03:05:27,520 --> 03:05:29,660
I mean, you know, that's as long as they do it.

1844
03:05:30,040 --> 03:05:31,700
So, and like I said, they're going to set the priorities.

1845
03:05:31,700 --> 03:05:36,700
how much they're going to charge and everything else involved with it.

1846
03:05:37,420 --> 03:05:44,640
We seem to have lost, we're losing our city even more as we go along, I feel like.

1847
03:05:45,440 --> 03:05:47,960
And I don't know what the answer is.

1848
03:05:48,060 --> 03:06:00,530
I mean, is there any way we can kind of get back to where we're not going to be interested in the top bid on everything?

1849
03:06:00,530 --> 03:06:04,110
I mean, are we just going to have something for the people of the city who pay taxes?

1850
03:06:04,710 --> 03:06:06,130
You kind of pay money for these buildings?

1851
03:06:07,330 --> 03:06:11,870
You know, it only seemed that would be the direction that the city council should be going in.

1852
03:06:11,950 --> 03:06:13,810
More or less providing things for us.

1853
03:06:13,970 --> 03:06:17,210
This BCA thing was something to provide for our citizens.

1854
03:06:21,750 --> 03:06:22,950
So, that's all I feel.

1855
03:06:23,850 --> 03:06:27,330
Like I said, once I wanted to ask the city attorney,

1856
03:06:27,330 --> 03:06:33,670
Once we put this out for a bit, we obligated to take high bid because you already have someone who could run the facility.

1857
03:06:34,470 --> 03:06:36,010
Now, what are we looking for?

1858
03:06:36,050 --> 03:06:38,170
We're looking for them. It has to be money.

1859
03:06:39,050 --> 03:06:39,110
Thank you.

1860
03:06:39,110 --> 03:06:40,050
That's to be the high bid.

1861
03:06:43,860 --> 03:06:45,940
The other public participation, please come forward.

1862
03:06:46,460 --> 03:06:46,480
Yes.

1863
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:47,540
Thank you.

1864
03:06:48,140 --> 03:06:50,700
And amongst yourselves I'd appreciate the order.

1865
03:06:54,910 --> 03:06:58,370
The clock set, Sarah B. Straud, 602 King, Neptune.

1866
03:06:58,650 --> 03:06:59,550
Thank you very much.

1867
03:07:01,170 --> 03:07:03,250
Yeah, we're all in our district, right?

1868
03:07:03,250 --> 03:07:07,810
I get it 100% I want to present to scenarios to you.

1869
03:07:07,930 --> 03:07:14,990
Situations that I've personally been in before being in the corporate world,

1870
03:07:15,210 --> 03:07:25,420
multi-million dollar banking share group out of Houston, Texas and having many,

1871
03:07:25,420 --> 03:07:30,380
many, many branches and many, many corporate banks in.

1872
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:36,480
We had the people's money. We had your deposits. We were responsible for bringing those in in a timely manner

1873
03:07:36,480 --> 03:07:43,460
and getting those dispersed and also getting the debits in. Computer systems, every single day and night.

1874
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:51,040
One of my jobs was to invest the banks money, a certain portion, which was the people's money

1875
03:07:52,080 --> 03:07:56,580
At three o'clock, every single afternoon, I couldn't hesitate.

1876
03:07:58,120 --> 03:08:00,720
I looked at the list of treasury bills.

1877
03:08:01,820 --> 03:08:02,760
I had to make decisions.

1878
03:08:03,860 --> 03:08:09,340
I'm not asking you to make the decisions that fast, like I had to do, but I'm asking you

1879
03:08:09,340 --> 03:08:14,360
to think through it very clearly and precisely and get a plan.

1880
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:18,860
And then presented in a very methodical manner.

1881
03:08:18,860 --> 03:08:21,860
It was my job to invest the money.

1882
03:08:22,180 --> 03:08:24,180
I cannot miss the three o'clock deadline.

1883
03:08:24,620 --> 03:08:26,820
I had a whole list to choose from.

1884
03:08:26,840 --> 03:08:28,380
I was able to do it.

1885
03:08:28,980 --> 03:08:30,180
You can do it too.

1886
03:08:30,660 --> 03:08:31,580
Second scenario.

1887
03:08:32,500 --> 03:08:33,780
Dallas, Texas.

1888
03:08:35,420 --> 03:08:37,480
I decided, okay, I've worked money.

1889
03:08:37,740 --> 03:08:38,900
Let's work health.

1890
03:08:39,080 --> 03:08:39,940
So what do I do?

1891
03:08:40,180 --> 03:08:42,100
I get a nursing degree.

1892
03:08:42,340 --> 03:08:43,140
What do I do?

1893
03:08:43,800 --> 03:08:45,540
Go to work for the county hospital.

1894
03:08:45,540 --> 03:08:53,740
that's where J.F. Kennedy went to. It's county. It's big. It's huge. You have to make decisions.

1895
03:08:54,800 --> 03:09:01,220
When you work in it you are, or you work on a floor, you have a team sometimes and you can talk about it.

1896
03:09:01,320 --> 03:09:07,340
But you gotta make decisions. And I appreciate you guys trying to come together today to get those done.

1897
03:09:08,200 --> 03:09:14,560
But it's a team. It's a decision. A plan. Get it done. Operate. And fix.

1898
03:09:15,560 --> 03:09:21,380
Yes, right now we're hurting and we're slowly bleeding.

1899
03:09:21,860 --> 03:09:29,320
It's not a bar drill but we're slowly bleeding and we don't want to die and that's it.

1900
03:09:29,320 --> 03:09:30,160
Thank you.

1901
03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:30,740
Thank you.

1902
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:31,900
Yes, please come forward.

1903
03:09:32,100 --> 03:09:36,980
If the next person could be ready for the sake of time, we'd appreciate it after St.

1904
03:09:36,980 --> 03:09:43,660
and finish the Vietnam mine set your name and address Victoron, 740, 480, Civil

1905
03:09:43,660 --> 03:09:49,960
Accord, Cape Canaveral. Not that I'm another banker but I spent 40 years of the

1906
03:09:49,960 --> 03:09:57,180
banking side including auditing various corporations throughout the US. First off as it

1907
03:09:57,180 --> 03:10:06,960
relates to the BCA and the Cape Center by waiting for the IRFP, your only losing five

1908
03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:14,600
hundred dollars in a revenue, an actual cash flow. So to wait to get a good RFP and there

1909
03:10:14,600 --> 03:10:20,220
makes so much more sense. Unfortunately, the RFP, this is what should have been done

1910
03:10:20,220 --> 03:10:27,080
a month ago. But now that we're doing it, now I think it's a perfect idea for all different

1911
03:10:27,080 --> 03:10:35,720
all the different facilities. As it relates to someone's comment about the C5 is if a third

1912
03:10:35,720 --> 03:10:43,300
it takes it over. The C5 is lost at ton of money and to operate it

1913
03:10:43,300 --> 03:10:49,220
cost money. Now, at the same time, they charge very minor dollar

1914
03:10:49,220 --> 03:10:54,100
amounts for the monthly fee. It should be just about twice that. If you were to go

1915
03:10:54,100 --> 03:11:00,840
to other places, other rec centers, you're paying at the minimum, $65 to $75 a month.

1916
03:11:00,840 --> 03:11:03,640
We're charging, I think, 42, 43.

1917
03:11:05,260 --> 03:11:11,860
So that's the reason, that's what happened with the C5, that's why we lost money.

1918
03:11:12,740 --> 03:11:19,100
So we've got to recognize that, yes, if we got a third party, it's going to cost more.

1919
03:11:19,280 --> 03:11:24,220
But again, they're going to, if we don't have volunteers there, they may be employed local people.

1920
03:11:25,220 --> 03:11:27,100
You know, part-time, full-time, whatever.

1921
03:11:28,120 --> 03:11:31,740
At the same time, is they're going to expend the hours and they're going to make sure they get,

1922
03:11:31,740 --> 03:11:37,420
we have great equipment in, they're going to probably expand the equipment. So having a third party is good,

1923
03:11:38,020 --> 03:11:44,830
but my hope, the biggest thing I think the RFP is a perfect way to go, and we don't have to accept them,

1924
03:11:45,740 --> 03:11:54,680
but at least you can see what's going on. As to Nancy Hanson, it is true, the majority of those players

1925
03:11:54,680 --> 03:11:56,660
are not capable of citizens.

1926
03:11:57,860 --> 03:12:03,820
I play there, I also, I'm very active over to C5, when it was here, and I'd probably

1927
03:12:03,820 --> 03:12:08,140
over there five days a week, both plain pickleball and up in the weight room.

1928
03:12:08,520 --> 03:12:11,920
Most of those people are not capable of citizens.

1929
03:12:12,400 --> 03:12:16,080
I talked to them, I know where they're from, you're off from the local area, which is great.

1930
03:12:16,300 --> 03:12:17,580
We bring people in.

1931
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:22,440
All I'm saying is, it's people who are more concerned about

1932
03:12:22,440 --> 03:12:27,220
and error citizens, which already those people are not from Cape Canaveral.

1933
03:12:28,260 --> 03:12:30,560
So that's one thing, that's why the RFP is good,

1934
03:12:30,920 --> 03:12:34,680
and getting the most revenue is what we need as the city

1935
03:12:34,680 --> 03:12:38,780
that reduces our financial issue.

1936
03:12:40,860 --> 03:12:42,860
And then the interim on the volunteers.

1937
03:12:44,540 --> 03:12:45,800
Yep, that's fine.

1938
03:12:46,720 --> 03:12:47,500
Thank you, Mr. Brown.

1939
03:12:58,570 --> 03:13:23,510
No, Mr. Dominique, for 21, Lincoln Avenue Cape Canero, I just, I'm disappointed that, and I really didn't know what today's meeting was about, but I'm disappointed that we had that young lady here from BCA, and she left, and you know, she left because she didn't see any hope,

1940
03:13:25,780 --> 03:13:28,920
me, I'm looking at it, I love my little city.

1941
03:13:28,920 --> 03:13:38,080
I used to be one point nine. It's now two point two. I don't know how, but we have a vision for that building.

1942
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:46,780
They are our vision. We had a vision before they came to us. They reached out to us.

1943
03:13:47,440 --> 03:13:54,560
We should have said, we'll put it out for a bit. If nobody else bit, guess what?

1944
03:13:55,060 --> 03:13:59,580
They get the pick, nobody has egg on their face, and we get what we want.

1945
03:14:00,020 --> 03:14:05,340
We had this building who was supposed to be taken down, if you remember, oh no, we're going

1946
03:14:06,040 --> 03:14:09,400
to keep it, and we're going to make it in an arts center.

1947
03:14:09,880 --> 03:14:15,260
Then the arts center comes to us and we say no, I'm really crazy.

1948
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:20,980
I don't like the bickering up here, you know that's not my thing, I come from ten kids, my

1949
03:14:20,980 --> 03:14:27,300
would say, whoever survives has to answer to me. But, you know, really, we got to pull that together.

1950
03:14:27,440 --> 03:14:35,180
Let's work as a team. I really think that before we do any more craziness with these other projects,

1951
03:14:35,260 --> 03:14:41,700
you're thinking, let's talk about this BCA. You're putting it on the back burner. I don't really get why

1952
03:15:01,260 --> 03:15:09,980
Person that should have this property, and we're saying, is it a yellow car or is it a blue car?

1953
03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:15,940
Let's just, it's here. Why aren't we saying thank you?

1954
03:15:16,660 --> 03:15:27,600
And I realize all cities can't do this. Look at top and springs. It hasn't grown. It doesn't have hundreds of hotels or anything. It has kept its dignity.

1955
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:32,620
We're losing our dignity because we're worried about the money.

1956
03:15:32,880 --> 03:15:34,260
We've already paid taxes.

1957
03:15:34,300 --> 03:15:35,340
It's already built.

1958
03:15:35,840 --> 03:15:36,580
It's ours.

1959
03:15:37,420 --> 03:15:39,600
Let's put in the people we want in.

1960
03:15:40,440 --> 03:15:42,600
Don't let money guide our life.

1961
03:15:42,700 --> 03:15:44,100
I don't let it guide mine.

1962
03:15:44,600 --> 03:15:45,620
Write a better contract.

1963
03:15:46,260 --> 03:15:47,320
I have an apartment.

1964
03:15:47,720 --> 03:15:48,880
I'm going to go over three minutes.

1965
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:49,420
I'm sorry.

1966
03:15:49,540 --> 03:15:50,380
I have an apartment.

1967
03:15:50,660 --> 03:15:51,780
You rep my apartment.

1968
03:15:52,200 --> 03:15:53,500
I give you air conditioning.

1969
03:15:53,780 --> 03:15:55,080
I give you a stove.

1970
03:15:55,100 --> 03:15:56,060
I give you refrigerator.

1971
03:15:56,060 --> 03:16:02,580
If any of those items break, you pay for it, you repair it, I don't repair it.

1972
03:16:03,060 --> 03:16:05,240
I gave you everything in working condition.

1973
03:16:06,060 --> 03:16:11,820
You signed the contract saying I'm going to get it back in working condition when they

1974
03:16:11,820 --> 03:16:16,540
pay to wall, they give me a gallon of paint of that color.

1975
03:16:17,420 --> 03:16:19,100
Let's be a little bit more creative.

1976
03:16:19,780 --> 03:16:21,520
I'm disappointed in all of you.

1977
03:16:22,220 --> 03:16:22,920
Thank you.

1978
03:16:23,500 --> 03:16:24,800
Anyone else who'd like to speak?

1979
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:28,720
Yes, Dr. Roberts, after Dr. Roberts, is there anyone else?

1980
03:16:29,260 --> 03:16:37,020
We are at 420 and we've had as much time as we can, I think, a Ford for public comment,

1981
03:16:37,040 --> 03:16:40,300
but we want to give everyone a chance to think a few times this week.

1982
03:16:40,560 --> 03:16:41,800
So, yes, Dr. Roberts.

1983
03:16:42,360 --> 03:16:46,920
Oh, the Shannon Roberts 703 sign of choice drive here in Cape Canaveral, I want to thank you

1984
03:16:46,920 --> 03:16:50,860
for convening this meeting because I really do believe that we need it, the discussion

1985
03:16:50,860 --> 03:16:55,740
that you all have had. And to talk about the core facilities in the city and to talk about

1986
03:16:55,740 --> 03:17:00,900
the vision for the future, I just really appreciate the fact even though you all may not agree,

1987
03:17:01,140 --> 03:17:05,720
we may not agree. You know, I think it was very helpful for us to have this discussion at this

1988
03:17:05,720 --> 03:17:10,300
particular time because otherwise I just feel like it would be very fragmented and understanding where

1989
03:17:10,300 --> 03:17:14,960
each of you come from. And I think this was very helpful. I know to me to hear your different

1990
03:17:14,960 --> 03:17:20,620
perspectives in different approaches. So I want to thank you for having the meeting. I do think

1991
03:17:21,220 --> 03:17:24,620
I know it now, so which is where I had a lot of my career.

1992
03:17:24,900 --> 03:17:28,900
We talked about the vision of the future and this was mentioned by our residents that we really

1993
03:17:28,900 --> 03:17:32,340
need to, in my opinion, look at the vision of the city.

1994
03:17:32,860 --> 03:17:38,940
We always used to talk about taking a 50,000 foot look, you know, down at what we were doing.

1995
03:17:39,120 --> 03:17:40,440
And I think that's important.

1996
03:17:40,980 --> 03:17:44,260
Some of the residents mentioned, you know, this is a heart and soul of our residents.

1997
03:17:44,500 --> 03:17:46,700
We're paying a huge amount of taxes now.

1998
03:17:46,700 --> 03:17:51,740
I'd be willing to pay more just to be able to preserve the precious sense of our city.

1999
03:17:52,340 --> 03:17:56,860
And I do think that there are core services that we are providing for in our taxes,

2000
03:17:56,860 --> 03:18:01,660
that I think to maintain the soul of our city, we need to be careful about what we

2001
03:18:01,660 --> 03:18:06,940
privatized versus maintain as a public, you know, enrichment for our community.

2002
03:18:07,620 --> 03:18:12,380
I would like to mention for the Cape Center that the two aspects of it that are

2003
03:18:12,380 --> 03:18:14,760
from my understanding of the discussion,

2004
03:18:15,220 --> 03:18:17,480
what we've talked about in the past is our history

2005
03:18:17,480 --> 03:18:20,120
of the IIS, the Indians, the Spanish Discovery

2006
03:18:20,120 --> 03:18:22,960
and the Space Program, and that to me is very unique

2007
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:26,560
to Cape Canaveral, also the educational purpose

2008
03:18:26,560 --> 03:18:28,660
that you all mentioned as part of the discussion

2009
03:18:28,660 --> 03:18:31,000
today of all age groups.

2010
03:18:31,140 --> 03:18:34,120
I think that's the core purpose of what we'll be offering.

2011
03:18:35,380 --> 03:18:38,540
The potential of the Hanson Center, you know,

2012
03:18:38,580 --> 03:18:40,460
I know we've talked about the purchase of that land.

2013
03:18:40,460 --> 03:18:46,640
And we had a vision there that went back to the early 2000s of what we do with the parking

2014
03:18:46,640 --> 03:18:47,280
lot area.

2015
03:18:48,200 --> 03:18:49,680
And we had some wonderful proposals.

2016
03:18:50,360 --> 03:18:55,140
So in my observation, if we do something to request for proposals that the Hanson Center

2017
03:18:55,140 --> 03:19:02,620
be expanded to consider that particularly unique, very precious, very rich land that continues

2018
03:19:02,620 --> 03:19:07,160
to support the Friday Fest and other activities that were envisioned, their stormwater

2019
03:19:07,160 --> 03:19:12,260
preservation, et cetera, things like that, so if we do an RFB for them, and I'm going to

2020
03:19:12,260 --> 03:19:16,480
just mention from the C5, I know for a month, when I'm talking to my neighbors, they wonder

2021
03:19:16,480 --> 03:19:21,840
what the C5 stands for and I'm just mentioning this as we think about the future of potentially

2022
03:19:21,840 --> 03:19:28,420
renaming because it's just on the surface, just doesn't resonate, I don't think. I would like to

2023
03:19:28,420 --> 03:19:35,440
mention that we also charging the community by the use of the rooms, things like that, it seems

2024
03:19:35,440 --> 03:19:41,840
It's a contrary to what we thought we were paying for to build that facility to be charging

2025
03:19:41,840 --> 03:19:47,780
groups to have meetings or serve water purposes to help the community and so forth.

2026
03:19:47,920 --> 03:19:48,780
So that was my major.

2027
03:19:48,780 --> 03:19:50,100
Thank you very much.

2028
03:19:51,060 --> 03:19:52,700
Any further public participation?

2029
03:19:53,800 --> 03:19:56,080
Again, thank you all very much.

2030
03:19:57,850 --> 03:20:05,790
All right, Council, back here for Dr. Robert's comment about the charges for the facilities

2031
03:20:05,790 --> 03:20:10,110
to rent the rooms there. I mean, the library will let you use their facilities for free.

2032
03:20:10,570 --> 03:20:14,570
And that's for charge. And so I think it's a good idea to have some areas open to the

2033
03:20:14,570 --> 03:20:20,510
public that they could reserve and have a meeting, but not an excessive cost. And then also

2034
03:20:20,510 --> 03:20:26,770
one observation, Council Member Wilson, I haven't had a quantist aisle in a lot. And I don't

2035
03:20:26,770 --> 03:20:33,450
think they pay to play tennis there, or record ball. I mean, I don't know, it's just suggestion

2036
03:20:33,450 --> 03:20:36,370
and figure out some way, or are if you're an actual resident

2037
03:20:36,370 --> 03:20:39,190
of Cape Minerable, you don't pay, and we make the money

2038
03:20:39,190 --> 03:20:41,510
of the people who don't live in our city.

2039
03:20:41,550 --> 03:20:42,430
Just a thought.

2040
03:20:45,300 --> 03:20:45,840
That's good.

2041
03:20:45,940 --> 03:20:48,320
I think, thank you, and thank you all again for your comments.

2042
03:20:49,100 --> 03:20:50,320
Just a few things I want to address

2043
03:20:50,320 --> 03:20:52,500
about losing control, Mr. Visson, I'm going to your brought up.

2044
03:20:52,520 --> 03:20:55,240
I think we could write the RFP to address that second of all.

2045
03:20:55,300 --> 03:20:58,520
We haven't made a decision to juice any outsourcing.

2046
03:20:58,820 --> 03:21:00,800
And we say outsourcing, I'm careful with that.

2047
03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:03,780
I think we will look at a draft.

2048
03:21:04,120 --> 03:21:05,060
Nothing's going out.

2049
03:21:05,060 --> 03:21:09,820
It's going to come back before the council and we will issue it and I think control is really

2050
03:21:09,820 --> 03:21:10,220
important.

2051
03:21:10,220 --> 03:21:16,380
I think we could have covenants, provisions, and things that, again, as far as limited to

2052
03:21:16,380 --> 03:21:18,960
service, I think we've been clear on that.

2053
03:21:20,680 --> 03:21:28,260
Volunteers, I think we have those today, I appreciate Mr. Ronks, the same math I'm doing is,

2054
03:21:28,320 --> 03:21:32,060
we're not just looking at revenue, we have made a decision.

2055
03:21:32,060 --> 03:21:37,480
a misstratied product, make a decision, we've made a major decision and one of them was that

2056
03:21:37,480 --> 03:21:42,380
we are not going to increase, we are going to decrease spending.

2057
03:21:42,560 --> 03:21:49,040
We had $20 million in expenditures and we only had 17 million in revenue and we held the

2058
03:21:49,040 --> 03:21:53,140
line on revenue and our city staff, we decreased expenditures.

2059
03:21:53,360 --> 03:22:00,160
That's the most significant decision this city's made in 25 years and we ended a awful

2060
03:22:00,160 --> 03:22:07,480
trajectory. This city was bleeding for 15 years. This is the council that ended the bleeding.

2061
03:22:07,960 --> 03:22:13,360
Today we stand in the decisions we're making today as about a keep center that made zero dollars revenue,

2062
03:22:13,800 --> 03:22:19,900
and it never has to make a dollar in my opinion. We had an opportunity to bring somebody into open the doors

2063
03:22:19,900 --> 03:22:25,160
where we'd lose 20,000 a year. If the doors were closed we're going to still probably lose about 20.

2064
03:22:25,360 --> 03:22:30,140
Like I said, it's a no-brainer. It was a procedural issue. That's where the RFP is where I'm

2065
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:38,120
No council member, sorry, I think, Mayor Pertim, we talked about in RFP. Two meetings ago, we brought this up. I said,

2066
03:22:38,380 --> 03:22:45,700
should we do, and should we do in RFI and our city attorney at that time said, this was two months ago.

2067
03:22:46,080 --> 03:22:52,260
We were talking about this exact thing. It said, no, you don't need to do in our RFP and then boom, everything shift and said, hey,

2068
03:22:52,380 --> 03:22:59,240
we got this opportunity here and everyone went tunnel vision and go, that's the one, eliminate the RFP and I'm going,

2069
03:22:59,240 --> 03:23:07,100
Nope, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that because I got my favorites. You have your favorites. You have yours

2070
03:23:07,100 --> 03:23:20,300
We that's not what we do. We work as a body. We work in the public and we work towards a majority to make decisions and you will never get me to make a decision on the right one

2071
03:23:20,300 --> 03:23:26,740
My opinion is one and what the major I was not comfortable and I think the biggest important thing

2072
03:23:26,740 --> 03:23:33,940
As far as BCA and losing them, we did not put them on the back burner.

2073
03:23:34,060 --> 03:23:36,220
I don't remember which resident said that.

2074
03:23:36,720 --> 03:23:40,200
In fact, we said Cape Center is number one.

2075
03:23:40,680 --> 03:23:43,460
The contract is written already.

2076
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:45,200
I think some time went into that.

2077
03:23:45,360 --> 03:23:51,400
Again, Council did not direct our city staff to go and draft a contract for this.

2078
03:23:52,120 --> 03:23:55,480
They did because they believed it was good and they had the authority to do that.

2079
03:23:55,480 --> 03:23:56,920
I'm fine with that.

2080
03:23:57,160 --> 03:23:59,120
There was risk, obvious risk.

2081
03:23:59,920 --> 03:24:02,540
But the good news is, that's not lost.

2082
03:24:02,700 --> 03:24:04,700
That contract is written.

2083
03:24:05,860 --> 03:24:07,460
The Cape Center is defined.

2084
03:24:09,140 --> 03:24:11,260
We can get that RFP out.

2085
03:24:11,480 --> 03:24:14,820
Those six months and areas where RFPs were not scenarios

2086
03:24:14,820 --> 03:24:16,560
that I think is with this one.

2087
03:24:16,720 --> 03:24:19,960
My hope is that BCA is ready,

2088
03:24:20,140 --> 03:24:23,100
and we can have an RFP drafted quickly.

2089
03:24:23,100 --> 03:24:30,860
And I absolutely agree with Dr. Roberts, the IES natives, the heritage, or the history of Cape

2090
03:24:30,860 --> 03:24:37,420
Canaveral, very important, who's going to tell our story, BCA is a fantastic opportunity

2091
03:24:37,420 --> 03:24:38,300
for the city.

2092
03:24:38,480 --> 03:24:45,140
I hope we can get a bit out, and if no one else bids, and BCA says, we're here, why didn't

2093
03:24:45,140 --> 03:24:45,800
you do it sooner?

2094
03:24:46,220 --> 03:24:51,600
To me, I would much rather sit do that and say, we chose them, but at least we follow

2095
03:24:51,600 --> 03:24:56,200
a process that I can stand beside and everyone had an opportunity.

2096
03:24:56,740 --> 03:25:00,280
That's how we have to operate as a local government within integrity.

2097
03:25:01,100 --> 03:25:06,640
And the other way is the one that is right for scrutiny, the one that we were going down.

2098
03:25:07,380 --> 03:25:11,140
And so I want everyone to know, we are not suffering.

2099
03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:14,400
The lights are on.

2100
03:25:15,180 --> 03:25:18,680
The streets are remaining clean.

2101
03:25:20,260 --> 03:25:28,720
The volunteers have stepped up, art, police are responding, our fire are responding, where's the suffering in our city?

2102
03:25:28,860 --> 03:25:36,080
Is the grass a little long? Is that the problem? We've heard volunteers step up, we heard today, thank you.

2103
03:25:36,620 --> 03:25:45,240
Let's be honest with ourselves, there is no doubt that the decisions that were made resulted in impacting people's lives that were a part of this city

2104
03:25:45,240 --> 03:25:55,040
And our city staff, and I think that extremely seriously, but we could not continue at 20 million dollars a year when we only had 17,

2105
03:25:55,420 --> 03:25:57,580
16, 17 million dollars in revenue.

2106
03:25:58,180 --> 03:26:00,880
We ended the real tragedy.

2107
03:26:01,520 --> 03:26:11,600
It was 15 years of deficit spending borrowing from reserves and then what we really, and I will say it exposed because we did not give debt.

2108
03:26:11,600 --> 03:26:15,920
We did not give tax increases, and we did not have a windfall of grants.

2109
03:26:17,660 --> 03:26:26,460
Was that we never assumed that when reserves went to a level that it would not be disclosed

2110
03:26:26,460 --> 03:26:33,060
in the budget as our code requires, and we realized it happened one year.

2111
03:26:33,480 --> 03:26:38,560
New city manager came in and we caught it the second time, so we addressed it in one year.

2112
03:26:38,560 --> 03:26:42,120
The future of this city is up.

2113
03:26:42,580 --> 03:26:46,360
We are not trading water, we are moving in the right direction.

2114
03:26:46,740 --> 03:26:49,200
The fiscal year ended September 30th.

2115
03:26:49,360 --> 03:26:50,400
That year was funded.

2116
03:26:51,020 --> 03:26:55,200
This facility has remained closed for, we're not October.

2117
03:26:55,980 --> 03:26:57,780
We're talking about if it sits,

2118
03:26:58,160 --> 03:27:01,880
as Mr. Ronk said, for 120 days in Q1,

2119
03:27:02,520 --> 03:27:08,160
that the net impact is greater than if it was open

2120
03:27:08,160 --> 03:27:14,860
And that was never the priority, but I am saying today, let's get Cape Center out and least.

2121
03:27:15,360 --> 03:27:21,220
Let's get the C5 on board, I agree C5, let's get the Cape Canaveral Community Center.

2122
03:27:21,360 --> 03:27:23,040
It is a very confusing thing.

2123
03:27:23,280 --> 03:27:27,260
That's its legal name, but I think we've embraced C5.

2124
03:27:27,620 --> 03:27:28,500
It is confusing.

2125
03:27:28,780 --> 03:27:30,320
I want to work with this community.

2126
03:27:30,680 --> 03:27:33,240
Most importantly, I want to work with this council.

2127
03:27:33,620 --> 03:27:36,480
There's so much bad information going out.

2128
03:27:36,480 --> 03:27:44,120
there's narratives that are cannot be factually backed up. We didn't lose money. This city staff

2129
03:27:44,120 --> 03:27:51,540
has worked so hard. And the team with SLA is the team that I believe with this council that

2130
03:27:51,540 --> 03:27:58,920
will say in 15 years this was the greatest moment that this city has ever went through and it is

2131
03:27:58,920 --> 03:28:06,280
being portrayed by a few as the worst moment in the saddest moment. This city just made a

2132
03:28:06,280 --> 03:28:10,160
major, major turn, and it came with pain.

2133
03:28:10,700 --> 03:28:13,920
I love each one of these council members up here.

2134
03:28:14,360 --> 03:28:16,980
Every single one of them, and I love this community at large.

2135
03:28:17,160 --> 03:28:18,060
I know them all.

2136
03:28:18,240 --> 03:28:21,280
I've known them for years, where a two square mile city,

2137
03:28:21,660 --> 03:28:24,000
you can't not know each other.

2138
03:28:24,680 --> 03:28:26,500
And I know each one of us care,

2139
03:28:26,600 --> 03:28:29,520
and it's a sad that we've had opportunities to,

2140
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:31,760
I think, work through, and we've went,

2141
03:28:31,920 --> 03:28:34,660
and I've had my moments, and I make mistakes,

2142
03:28:34,660 --> 03:28:37,780
But guys, we are going to work together.

2143
03:28:37,860 --> 03:28:39,920
I'm sorry that some of you are disappointed.

2144
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:43,760
When you look at the math, we want to make it right.

2145
03:28:43,940 --> 03:28:46,840
And there's nothing I heard that we can't do.

2146
03:28:47,940 --> 03:28:49,880
We are getting through this.

2147
03:28:50,020 --> 03:28:52,680
The data is proving there's more challenges,

2148
03:28:53,100 --> 03:28:55,400
but our city staff is holding the line.

2149
03:28:55,800 --> 03:28:57,160
And when you look at the math,

2150
03:28:57,500 --> 03:29:01,040
this is a huge milestone for our city.

2151
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:10,240
Again, go back and what was happening was not being disclosed accurately in the budget.

2152
03:29:10,980 --> 03:29:16,360
We called it today, we're actually doing something about it and we are making decisions.

2153
03:29:17,280 --> 03:29:22,020
We're making big decisions and today we made a decision to put it out to bid.

2154
03:29:22,420 --> 03:29:27,480
We established a priority of those bids with the Cape Center at the top or city manager

2155
03:29:27,480 --> 03:29:32,440
has communicated direction. That's the motion. I think on the table, Council, I don't have

2156
03:29:32,440 --> 03:29:38,120
to have the last word, but I love our community. We've gotten comment and I just, I feel

2157
03:29:38,120 --> 03:29:44,760
like, I've sat back and I've heard like narratives go and I'm like, we have smart people,

2158
03:29:44,900 --> 03:29:52,020
but it's not operating on good information. And so, I'm here. I support the motion that's on

2159
03:29:52,020 --> 03:29:56,020
table and any comments or further discussion.

2160
03:30:01,340 --> 03:30:08,000
We can't do that. No, we're not putting. I'll answer. The question was putting it out of bed. We can't do that, miss, uh,

2161
03:30:08,360 --> 03:30:15,740
vicinity, um, is to bring back a document to consider putting it out to bed. That is all that's being

2162
03:30:15,740 --> 03:30:21,900
decided. It is my hope that in 30 days we could actually have the Cape Center bid documents pretty much

2163
03:30:21,900 --> 03:30:27,520
ready to go. The council, it might even be draft a few changes. And between November, December,

2164
03:30:27,520 --> 03:30:34,800
early January. I mean, ideally, when out in December, what's the shortest time frame we can legally put on it?

2165
03:30:34,840 --> 03:30:40,860
If it's 30 days, I think our city may turn east, it might have been 30, 60 days. Whatever that is.

2166
03:30:40,920 --> 03:30:46,040
And we're awarding somebody January, February, would be my hope.

2167
03:30:46,220 --> 03:30:52,920
And they're moving in on the new year. And so, but those decisions will be made in the next meeting.

2168
03:30:52,920 --> 03:30:59,820
where we are not, this council will decide in a future meeting on whether or not it goes out to bed.

2169
03:30:59,940 --> 03:31:03,200
We've requested for that to be brought back.

2170
03:31:05,500 --> 03:31:06,840
You're welcome. Thank you.

2171
03:31:08,500 --> 03:31:11,880
Council any other comments? The motion was made by Council Member Shoryak and

2172
03:31:11,880 --> 03:31:13,340
seconded by Council Member Willis.

2173
03:31:23,940 --> 03:31:25,780
Your non-city clerk, please call the roll.

2174
03:31:26,940 --> 03:31:28,020
Mayor Pritem Jackson.

2175
03:31:28,900 --> 03:31:37,440
Councilmember King against Mayor Morrison or Councilmember Shoria for in Councilmember Willis for

2176
03:31:37,960 --> 03:31:40,860
All right the motion has stated

2177
03:31:40,860 --> 03:31:43,020
adopted for

2178
03:31:43,740 --> 03:31:44,940
To one

2179
03:31:44,940 --> 03:31:56,200
Foreign support one against and with that that takes us that is it. We had one item tonight council. We don't have reports because this is a special meeting and

2180
03:31:56,200 --> 03:32:02,740
if there's not anything else city manager? Yes sir. I have, there was some comments that were made during

2181
03:32:02,740 --> 03:32:07,800
public comment. I just wanted to address the first is about KVU elementary school,

2182
03:32:08,820 --> 03:32:13,280
one resident commenter about it. There have been a change, what's going on with that,

2183
03:32:14,640 --> 03:32:20,960
and the school district has not done anything with that, but we talk about KVU elementary school all the

2184
03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:25,680
because we know that at some point in time they're going to need to divest themselves

2185
03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:30,040
of that property and that property lies within the corporate city limits of

2186
03:32:30,040 --> 03:32:34,980
Cape Canaveral in his own for public and government use and at some point in time

2187
03:32:34,980 --> 03:32:39,880
there will be formal discussion on Cape U.L. and entry so to say that you know we

2188
03:32:39,880 --> 03:32:44,480
we talk about it all the time don't be surprised if it comes up but you know we're

2189
03:32:44,480 --> 03:32:49,060
just showing it we're making people aware of it these could be potential opportunities

2190
03:32:49,060 --> 03:32:53,180
for consideration, actually we would be remiss if we were not speaking about

2191
03:32:53,180 --> 03:32:57,990
KV Elementary. So I just wanted to be clear about that. And secondly, as far as

2192
03:32:58,260 --> 03:33:02,460
the Bavar County Sheriff's investigation goes, there's been no change on that. I

2193
03:33:02,460 --> 03:33:07,520
reported this to the people who attended the coffee with the City Manager, the

2194
03:33:07,520 --> 03:33:11,960
lead investigator in the case has finished the report that report is being reviewed

2195
03:33:11,960 --> 03:33:17,450
by that investigator's superiors. I cannot move them any faster than they're

2196
03:33:17,450 --> 03:33:23,610
to go when they say it's done and they give it to us it's done and I can't predict when that's going to be

2197
03:33:23,610 --> 03:33:30,090
I did confirm be a text during this meeting if there was any changes from Friday and the response is no change is still waiting

2198
03:33:30,090 --> 03:33:35,590
but I will tell you when it's done and I will get it to you so I'm not going to bother them anymore

2199
03:33:35,590 --> 03:33:39,570
I'll know when they tell me and it's no change until that time

2200
03:33:40,890 --> 03:33:45,710
Thank you for that. I just appreciate that and I appreciate the community's patience. That's a big deal

2201
03:33:45,710 --> 03:33:50,570
We know it's a big deal and we want to get out that information as soon as it's available.

2202
03:33:52,410 --> 03:33:53,290
Thank you.

2203
03:33:53,530 --> 03:33:54,730
City Attorney in the comments.

2204
03:33:55,990 --> 03:33:56,870
Thank you.

2205
03:33:57,030 --> 03:33:57,670
City Clerk's office.

2206
03:33:58,310 --> 03:33:59,970
Any one with us?

2207
03:34:00,630 --> 03:34:01,330
City Council.

2208
03:34:01,690 --> 03:34:02,710
Looking for a most new adjourn.

2209
03:34:03,790 --> 03:34:04,210
New adjourn.

2210
03:34:04,210 --> 03:34:04,290
Thank you so much for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.