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Welcome to the regular meeting of the Cape Coral City

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Council. Today is August 26, 2026. This meeting now comes

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to order. Please stand for invocation and pledge allegiance by

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our council member Stinky. Please bow your heads as we

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remember all those around the globe that have lost their

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lives recently. Fighting for the freedoms that we enjoy today.

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Father, we thank you for the opportunity to gather. And

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discuss those matters that affect us here locally. We thank

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you for the opportunity to have a voice in that.

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We thank you for those that dedicate their time to

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understanding the issues, reaching out. To have questions answered that

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are necessary to make those decisions that are in the

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best interest of the most people that we can in

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this city. We pray for objectivity. We pray for sensitivity.

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We pray for the grace necessary to deal with those

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issues that are controversial and to deal with them respectfully.

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And deal with each other with grace. Father, we thank

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you for the men and women locally and abroad. That

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fight for the freedoms that we enjoy today. We ask

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that you would watch over them safely. Give their families

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peace as they wait for their return. And we pray

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that you allow them to come home safely. We ask

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all these things in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

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of America. And to the Republic for which it stands

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one nation under God, indivincible with liberty and justice for

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all. Madam City Clark, please call the roll. Mayor Gunters

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Donnell. Here. Kaduk? Here. Kilrayne. Here. Lastra. Here. Lehman. Long.

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Here. Stein key. Here. All present. Okay, item five is

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changes to the agenda. Are there any changes to the

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agenda. Council member Donova. See your light on it. Yes,

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thank you, Mayor. I would like to add a motion

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to reconsider ordinance number 2026 under. Unfinished business. It was

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one just so council knowledge that we had a conversation

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about the special magistrate and the hearing examiner. All right.

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In order to that for reconsideration, you'd need a second.

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Is there a second for that move? I second it.

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Okay. All right. Uh, Madam City clerk, could you call

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the role for the reconsideration. Kill rain. Aye. Lastra? Aye.

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Lehman. No. Long? No. Steinky? No. Donnell? Gunter? Aye. Kaduk?

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No. Four ayes, four nays motion failed. Okay. I will

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entertain a motion for the agenda as presented. Motion to

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accept a genre present as presented. Second. Any council discussion.

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Seeing none, Madam City clerk. Please call the rope. Kill

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rain. Aye. Master? Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. Aye. Thank you.

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Aye. Donnell. Gunter. Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Eight ice motion carried.

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Okay. Item six is recognitions and achievements. Uh, sixa. We

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have a presentation for city employees for years of service.

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I'll be making my way down to the front.

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Okay. Today is my privilege to recognize and celebrate. This

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particular employee as he retires after many years. Of dedicated

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service to the city of Cape Coral. During this time

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with Parks and Recreations, Department has served as a chemical

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specialist. Providing valuable knowledge, expertise, and commitment to the important

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work that happens every day behind the scenes to maintain

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our facilities and serve our community. He has demonstrated professionalism,

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dedication, and the strong commitment to the city of Cape

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Coral. His years of service have contributed to the quality

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of our parks and recreations operations. And ultimately to the

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quality of life enjoyed by many of our residents and

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visitors. Madam City clerk, could you please read the name

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of the recipient along with the years of service? And

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as his name is called, please come on down to

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get your award. Deniz Veles, parks and recreation department, 31

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years of service.

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Okay, let's move on to citizens input. Just a reminder,

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if you haven't filled out a comment card, please, one

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up front. To my left, you're right. You can fill

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out a card so the city clerk can call you

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up, council member Dono. I see your light on. Yes,

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I just wanted for council's consideration. Um, last week during

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the meeting, our mayor protein did an excellent job. One

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of the things that we did do was violate our

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rules. The rules that specifically talks about clapping. We've got

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some comments behind it. So for your consideration before we

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start tonight, I was wondering, would you have an appetite

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to suspend that portion of clapping for this meeting only

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until we can revisit that totality of that subject? Because

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we're either going to allow it or not. If we

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start, if we enforce our rules tonight, like we really

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should have, but I didn't call the point. Then, you

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know, we got to enforce our rules. So I just

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wanted to know, that's my thoughts just suspended. Until we

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revisit that whole, since we did it last week. That's

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all. Thank you, Mayor. Is that a motion. Sound like

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a motion to me. Um, is that something that's motionable,

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Mr City attorney. This is really a, you're really just

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moving away for a portion of a suspension of your

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permanent rules. So it has to be done by majority.

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So I would recommend doing it by way of emotion.

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Motion to suspend the clapping part of our ordinance just

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until we revisit at a later date. That's all. Thank

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you. Council member last year. Thank you, Mayor. So just

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to understand you better, Dr. D, what you're saying is

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that you want to make a motion to not have

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clopping. That's already in our rules. To not have clapping.

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To suspend it so they can't because we let them

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public do it last year. So do we want to

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make a motion then to change the rules to add

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clapping today. Only specifically suspended. Oh, suspended. Suspended for this

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meeting until such time that we revisited. Because the only

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options are to either suspended. Or, well, suspended, keeping in

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place or get rid of it. So I just say

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suspended. So that we keep in line with our rules.

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Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Council

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Member Kilring. Yeah. Uh, just so I understand it too.

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Uh, Councilman Darnell. Um, I reviewed all of the commissioner

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meetings. And in Charlotte, in Lee and in call your

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county, as well as all the municipal meetings of council

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meetings, all of those. Prevent clapping. Resolution today

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for consideration is to suspend that, allow clapping for this

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meeting until we can resolve it in the next meeting?

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Yes. The last meeting, we allowed it. We allowed it

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last meeting. We broke our own rules last meeting. Right.

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So now it'll be really interesting if we now today

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start enforcing it. Cause I know the next thing the

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mayor is going to do is read our rules, which

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he should. So now we've created a conundrum. So to

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get us away from that and not go off on

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a tangent, we just suspend it for now revisit it

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and make a decision on it. Just a classroom portion.

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The implication would be our next meaning. We'll just have

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a discussion on it whether or not we should impose

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that rule. Well, sometimes sooner. Whatever your pleasure is, but

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just this meeting, I'm saying to suspend it. You either

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suspend it or we enforce it. That's where we are.

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Okay. Thank you. So our wheel. Uh, council member stanky.

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Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, this he wouldn't even be

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brought up. Had a gaveled in our last meeting. These

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are business meetings. And so I was errant in my,

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uh, neglect to allow the clapping that was allowed. Obviously,

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if you're doing three miles over the speed limit, the

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officer gives discretion once in a while. I felt like

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I gave limited discretion. And obviously it is a rule.

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And it should be imposed. I think the understanding that

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these are business meetings, they're not sporting events or anything

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else. And their rules state that the clapping is not

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allowed during the business portion of the meeting. When we

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have, when we have acknowledgments and recognitions, uh, to applaud

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those, that are deservant of that. I think that's the

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reason why the rule states that it's during the business

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part of the meeting that it's not allowed. So I

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would apologize for, uh, for breaking policy and not gaveling

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the clapping that happened last week. But I think that

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it is a, I think that it is an appropriate

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venue to conduct business, uh, like business should be conducted.

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And as, uh, council member, Killerain said, it's the way

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it's done in all the other chambers across the other

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municipalities in the county. So that's just my input. Council

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Member Lehman. Yeah. Um, in view of what council member

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stanky just said, I don't think this needs to be

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revisited. I think we need to go back to, I

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think a motion needs to be made to go back

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to Robert Schools of order and follow what we've always

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done. It's a business meeting. No clapping period. And if

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need be, I will make the motion to do so.

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Yes, but he, to discuss it further. Please keep your

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comments to yourself. Uh, I'll make a motion that we

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go back to the way the rules are supposed to

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be. And we follow what other municipalities do. And the

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clapping at a meeting other than, you know, at an

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award presentation. Council member Dono. I already have a motion

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and a second. But let's just put some real talk

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to what's going on up here. All right. The mayor

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wasn't here last meeting. We counsel me as a senior

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member allowed our rules to be broken. Now play this

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out what happens when the mayor returns and we start

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enforcing it. Just play that out real time. Do you

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understand what we're talking about? Now all of a sudden

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that seat is not about the who is about the

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what. Now we just put that seat. Right out there

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and it's going to happen as soon as I'm sitting

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here. So I'm trying to avoid a circus so we

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can conduct a meeting, move forward and deal with it.

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That's just how I see it. I could be wrong.

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I'm going to go whatever you all want to do.

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But understand that we let it go last week and

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now we're asking that seat which just happens to be

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the mayor to gavel it. And it is going to

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happen as sure as I'm sitting here. And resets. And

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here we go. That's the purpose. We can leave it

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with, I can rescind my motion and. Well, your motion

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wasn't recognized because first of all we already have one

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motion on the floor over there. Let's leave it with

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the motion we had. Right. Thank you. All right. I

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mean real quickly for me, I know we've had this,

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uh, discussion before many times. So it's not like this

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is, uh, the first time this has come up, uh,

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and in the past, we've always kept the rules in

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place that we had. Um, for me, uh, as the,

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uh, basically the chair of the board, my responsibility is

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the follow the rules. Whether I agree with them or

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I don't agree with them. Now when clapping is concerned,

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I agree with them only because we're here to conduct

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business. Can you go to the courthouse and clap? Can

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you go to other, uh, county or municipal governments and

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act that way. You cannot. So I think it's important

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that we make sure that we continue down the path

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that we've been. That's what my vote's going to be.

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But as always, and I've said this the last nine

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years that I've been here. This body will make that

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decision. And whatever that decision is. And however that boat

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goes, I will abide by it because that's what my

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job is. And I've done that many times before. So

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we'll make this decision as a collective body. But me

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personally, uh, I think that we're here for, for, for

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business purposes. Because we've already seen, if you give an

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inch, they take them all. So once you open this

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Pandora box, it will continue and continue down that way.

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So with that, uh, Councilmember Long. Yeah. So I'm just

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trying to play catch up here. I guess what I'm

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gathering is that everybody, most of the people here had

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selective amnesia last week about our rules. And now Mayor's

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back and we're all acting like now we remember what

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the rules were. Um, you know, that's fine. I think

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that maybe the motion should be amended the better way

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to phrase it rather than this temporary, this temporary that

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is, do we want to make another motion to remove

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that section from our rules? Yes or no? We've already

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made that, we already had that decision. Three, four months

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ago possibly. Couple of us up here voted to allow

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it. Some of us, the majority of us did not.

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That's fine. But I'm kind of wearing this weird place

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now where, well, last year last week we let it

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go. We shouldn't have this week, maybe we're going to

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do a temporary one. We're going to talk about it

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later. Why don't we just be done with it? Do

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you want to do it? Do you want to change

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the rules? No, I'm sure. To allow it or not.

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And then it's done. We don't have to come back

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and get, cause you're to your exact point. The circus

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is back next week because we're talking about clapping again

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next week. Cameras are here next week because we're talking

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about clapping. Cause we postponed that decision. Make the motion.

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I would suggest to amend the motion to modify that.

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And you know, as an aside, we violate these council

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rules. Dang near every meeting. Uh, and one form or

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another. There's a section in there with regard to the

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invocation, uh, the requirement that it's nonsectarian. More often than

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not, that's violated. So do we want to pick which

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ones that we're going to adhere two strictly versus those

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that we knowingly are not miss every week. That's a

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whole nother discussion. But it just seems silly to me

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that, that now, you know, I appreciate what you're doing,

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but I got to, I got to call it like

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it is. So all right. That's where I'm at. I

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would, I would amend it. I would suggest you, I'm

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in the motion to just definitively ask whether or not

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we want to remove that portion. But I'm only one

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boat. Thank you. Council member could do. Thank you, Mayor.

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I think we all know where I stand. I last

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time we talked about this. I said, let them clap.

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And since then, we have rearranged our agenda. That citizen's

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input is now in the beginning. And it's before business.

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So in that case, I would allow placard. Council member

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dinell. Um, I hear you. I'm fine with it. I

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will withdraw my motion so you all can make that

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motion about that. Because we have not had that discussion

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as a body, but if that's the ways we're going,

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I would withdraw my motion. And then someone else can

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make that motion. Okay. I'm fine with that. Council member

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Killrane. Yeah. I was just going to suggest with a

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follow along with what the council person long had said.

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I think let's settle it now. Let's get it up

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in the table. And I will make a motion to

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continue the rules as they now exist. Lots of double

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negative. Yeah. I don't think we need to make a

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motion to continue the rules the way they are. The

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rules are effective as Mr. Cydia attorney. The rules are

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effective as of right now. There's no reason to make

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a motion to. Sorry, I can't hear you. The rules

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are effective as they right now. If you want to

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alter them, that's what I think council member long is

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referring to because there is the provision that clapping isn't

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allowed. So if you want to either amend it to

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remove it, suspended, um, this is the opportune time to

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do that. So the motion, if there was one to

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be made based on what council member long state, it

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would be motion to amend a council rules. Removing, clapping

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as a prohibition during the meeting. All right. Uh, Council

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Member Kilrain, are you? Yeah. You don't. My son. No

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other lights on. So, uh, I'll give anybody an opportunity

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to make a motion or we'll move forward. Okay. See,

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no motion made. We'll move forward with, uh, item eight

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of the citizens'input. Just remember citizens are given opportunity to

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be heard. Concerning matters scheduled on the council agenda and

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any other pertinent to the city's business in order to

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promote an orderly system hold to public business meeting and

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to ensure that individuals are not embarrassed or harassed as

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a result of their exercise, write a free speech. The

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city is established rules. That must be followed. The speaker

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is required to mean maintain proper decorum at all times.

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Only the person recognized by the mayor shall be addressing

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the city council or making any audible remarks during the

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business portion of the meeting. Unauthorized remarks stomping on feet

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whistling or similar demonstrations shall not be permitted during the

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business meeting. No person has permitted to interrupt the city

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council proceedings or that the comments of any person recognized

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by the mayor in any manner. No person is permitted

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to behave in a disorderly manner by shouting yelling whistling

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chanting singing dancing, clapping foot stomp and cheering, cheering. We're

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engaging in any other disruptive display during the city council

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meeting. No person is permitted to refuse to follow the

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instructions or to comply to the policies that have been

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adopted by resolution and approved by the city council. Any

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person who engages in this type of behavior that is

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prohibited herein and is being boisterous or disrupted in any

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manner, uh, and their conduct, uh, during the city council

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meeting, shall be asked to leave or maybe escorted from

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the room. With that being said, Madam City clerk will

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turn it over to you to call the first speaker.

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Lou Navarra and David Scott.

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Good afternoon Mayor Council Unovar of Vintage Cape Poor resident.

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Entertainment for today's meeting looking ahead for city council. Incidentally

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mayor, um, in the words of President Nixon, you're only

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defeated when you quit. So good to see you back.

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For the time being. Uh, flock cameras. Let's limit them.

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There are violation of the First Amendment. I talked to

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Chief Sizemore by text. He's a great guy, but I

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think he's going to be a politician when he wrote

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me his answer. Look for him to run for 2030

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mayor. I'm serious. I can't show you what he said.

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But I think they need to be limited. I want

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to see the future. The council addressing this. Remember the

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Nazis and the fascists said that, uh, the ends justify

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the means. Uh - uh. This is America. Code enforcement.

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I like the mayor's new proposals. Let's get rid of

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these unlicensed people. I'm still in a small claims from

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Hurricane. So, uh, I'd like that. I want you to

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continue investigating that. And I did call for a review

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of code enforcement under the direction of Mr. Hoglin and

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Miss Raul. Uh, I met with the mayor about all

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that. I don't think he needs to micromanage me and

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other citizens. The flag. Wonderful. Continue with the new home

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for the 55 foot veteran spy. That was good. Restore

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voluntary councils. The magnificent four of the members we elected

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in 2024. They went to stakeholders, stakes are for corporations

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and eating dinner. Tom, the shed wreck. He wouldn't be

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running for district one if you hadn't kicked him off

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the voluntary councils. So, you know, where is Tom? Go

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Tom. All right. So moving quickly along restore eight A

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of the agenda. That's for the future too. Petitions to

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council. It was illegally removed. The charter stands for it.

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Review and restore old language so we don't get kicked

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out so easily. Uh, move the meetings back to 5

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p. m. I think the one council member wanted him

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at 9 p. m. She's in a fog, you know.

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Uh, preview of the coming attractions. Totsi take out the

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trash. They say two members. Are targeted to resign. I

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say make it three. And, uh, leave the fourth one

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over there. She's okay. But, uh. I'll put them out.

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We can't say names, but it's my fearless warrior over

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there. It's my nice lady over a year. And it's

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my honest man over there. Thank you, counsel. Thank you,

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Mayor. Thank you. David Scott.

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My name's David Scott. I live in the Northwest Cape.

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And, uh, we had quite a historic election. And, uh,

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the bunch of things that came up and all of

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this that are, they're very troubling actually. So let's get

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into it. I've only got two minutes and 44 seconds

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left. I got started with all this over all the

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controversy with the rowers. And we heard there was 1400

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against 40. Then we started in with public records request.

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And we were told that it was going to take

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about 6, 500 dollars to get the information that we

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wanted. We refined those queries and we got the information

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that we wanted for pennies. The same thing's going on

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right now with the traffic study that was done on

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the seven islands project. It's completely bogus. We're trying to

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get that. And we're told it's going to cost about

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6, 500 dollars contracted up in Tampa right now and

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he's working on it. It's as bad as the valuation

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report that I've talked about to many of you. The

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valuation report is a joke. We gave this property away

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this property was at least a 50 million dollar property

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back in 2021. You gave it away for 20. And

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this developer apparently needed 15 million. From somebody here to

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help them get the sales price, which is pretty weird.

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How undercapitalized are these people. Now we've had a former

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mayor when all the, uh, public fighting started with the

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current mayor and the former mayor. Former mayor is a

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good friend of mine. And he's a very accomplished well

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- educated attorney. He said people are asking him if

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our current mayor is a crook. And he says, no,

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I don't think so, but he just makes so many

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bad decisions that people think that. Well, I started with

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the valuation report. It's bogus. So you were stupid there.

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The traffic report, that's bogus. You were stupid there. The

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RFP, the whole sheurette nonsense with the Northwest neighborhood association,

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trying to represent something. The D1 plan destroyed the value

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of that property. Then we claim that we had a

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very complicated RFP process. So that was flawed as well.

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Now we've got past council members here saying that there

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was a relationship between the present mayor back when he

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was a district one council member and forest. So I

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told many of you, you needed outside council. You can't

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count on this guy. I don't know where we dug

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him up, but talk about somebody on thin ice. But

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you need outside counsel and we need an investigation. How

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did we get somebody like forest development in here? The

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subject of RICO complaints. They have 14 million dollars in

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liens and lawsuits against them. And not one of you

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did the due diligence to call the city manager over

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in Lake Park and talk to them about the person

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or this entity that you've invited into. Our. Thank you.

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Yeah. I like Wes Owen. And Joanne Denate Uris.

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Wes Owens. Yep. Mayor Council, Wes Owen. The question before

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us today is whether this council will be proactive. Or

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is it oddly by the police department expands a citywide

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surveillance system without meaningful transparency, public debate or accountability. AOPRs

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can help solve crimes. Find missing people and improve officer

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safety. That is not the issue. The issue is our

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cake girl system was implemented. Who authorized it and what

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safeguards govern it. In August, 2024, Council approved a speed

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zone detection contract that included ALPR technology. Not an expressly

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authorized citywide surveillance network. CCPD later said it deployed the

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broader system in 2025 and authorized the deployment itself. When

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councilwoman conduct asked whether additional flock cameras are being installed,

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the police chief answered that they were not flocked hammers.

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But the substance of requestion was clear. This was not

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transparency. It was obfuscation. Last week, a former state or

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sold officer was charged after allegedly searching the same plate

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355 times. Including 121 times in a single day. Those

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searches were not uncovered. By the department's internal controls, but

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by USA Today reporter. Cape Cora Police has pointed the

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internal safeguards as acting controls. Sarasota shows why they are

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not enough. If 355 searches of one blank and occur

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without internal controls, exposing the pattern, independent oversight does not

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be a radical. It is necessary. Cape Roche had immediately

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shut down its citywide ARPR system until clear safeguards are

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publicly adopted. Independent council oversight. Automatic review of unusual searches,

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corner approval for historical tracking, et cetera. Emergencies. Public reporting,

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strict data sharing rules and council approval before expansion. Cape

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Coral can use this technology, but only under rules that

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are publicly adopted independently reviewed, transparent, and informal. Acting now

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is not anti - police. It is how we protect

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both public safety and liberty. And once again, I find

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myself saying, do your jobs and let us clap. Thank

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you. We're clapping, please.

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Good afternoon, Mayor Council. Um, I'm here to talk about

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solid waste and stormwater and your 35 million dollar proposed

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deficit that you're facing if the property tax goes through

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in October or November on the ballot. So as you

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know, the governor is trying to cut the fat. Period.

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Bottom line worked for county government for 35 years. They're

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facing the same issues. Spoke to county commission as well.

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As far as solid waste, ridiculous. Should have never renewed

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waste prose contract back then. And we still have an

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issue. They want me to tie branches in a bow.

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It's three feet. I can't tie that stuff up. Take

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it. You've got a claw come and get it. Be

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done with it. Stormwater. Since they put the UEP in

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north one, we have stormwater drains now. The street is

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flooding worse than it used to. I don't understand that.

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So that needs to be addressed. I know whoever paid

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for their UEP. We'll get some kind of money back.

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Well, we'll see. Um, the taxes have gone up because

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they added that to the advalorium taxes. So anybody's tax

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that was too grinned are now paying eight grand. That's

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like living up north. So, you know, the taxes are

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getting out of hand. It's just too much waste. The

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Board of County Commissioners has what four commissioners. Five commissioners.

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How many we got here? Eight. You guys can't even

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make a decision on whether it's a clap or not.

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That's ridiculous. I propose that. We don't need eight people

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on the board here. It's why. Four and four, nothing

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passed. Sounds a little to me. So, you know, if

468
00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,863
you get four degree for the don't agree. So then

469
00:32:51,364 --> 00:32:54,303
null and void doesn't pass. Anyway, but your 35 million

470
00:32:54,404 --> 00:32:59,503
deficit. They're cutting the fat. Don't put the taxes on

471
00:32:59,503 --> 00:33:02,055
us. Thank you for your time. Oh, I still have

472
00:33:02,076 --> 00:33:05,575
time. I'm sorry. 35 million that you're looking at a

473
00:33:05,615 --> 00:33:11,369
deficit. You need to look at your budget. County put

474
00:33:11,369 --> 00:33:14,316
a flat budget out certain departments. Um, if this does

475
00:33:14,497 --> 00:33:19,338
pass, yeah, public safety may be hit. Fire. I don't

476
00:33:19,338 --> 00:33:22,102
know. You know, we'll have to see what happens. But

477
00:33:22,783 --> 00:33:26,522
I'm for police protection. We got too many immigrants here.

478
00:33:26,783 --> 00:33:28,842
Ice is busting people all over the place. It's been

479
00:33:28,842 --> 00:33:31,162
on the news. Get rid of them. You're not a

480
00:33:31,162 --> 00:33:33,482
taxpaying citizen. You don't live in America. Get the hell

481
00:33:33,522 --> 00:33:36,900
out. That's how I feel. You want to become a

482
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:41,681
citizen. Do it legally. My ancestors came over. They came

483
00:33:41,681 --> 00:33:46,929
over legally. Went through hells island. Duh. So all I

484
00:33:46,929 --> 00:33:49,009
can say is you need to look at your budgets.

485
00:33:50,113 --> 00:33:53,052
I don't agree having eight people on the panel here.

486
00:33:53,313 --> 00:33:57,816
That's a waste. County commission. They do a better job.

487
00:33:59,222 --> 00:34:05,732
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Tim Dolly and

488
00:34:05,913 --> 00:34:06,852
Gary Eldrid.

489
00:34:16,238 --> 00:34:19,290
Good afternoon Mayor Gunter and members of the council. My

490
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:21,930
name is Tim Daly. I'm going to Cape Corps resident

491
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:24,890
and I live in the Northwest Cape as well. I'm

492
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:28,490
here today because I'm concerned about whether the level of

493
00:34:28,591 --> 00:34:31,370
marine patrol coverage in Cape Correl is adequate for a

494
00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:37,096
city whose identity. Lifestyle property values and public safety are

495
00:34:37,117 --> 00:34:42,208
so closely tied to the water. We call ourselves the

496
00:34:42,248 --> 00:34:45,234
venous of America. We have more than 400 miles of

497
00:34:45,495 --> 00:34:51,234
navigable canals. 150 miles of salt water and 250 miles

498
00:34:51,415 --> 00:34:56,805
of fresh water. It's an extraordinary. Amount of water for

499
00:34:56,906 --> 00:35:00,860
one city to patrol. Recently in our backyard of witnessed

500
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,820
jet ski is traveling at over 50 to 60 miles

501
00:35:03,841 --> 00:35:07,271
an hour in my estimation. Through no egg zones on

502
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,495
the spreader canal. That raises a larger question for me.

503
00:35:12,715 --> 00:35:16,614
When something dangerous is happening on our waterways. Do we

504
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:22,134
have enough dedicated marine patrol resources to respond while it's

505
00:35:22,174 --> 00:35:26,075
actually happening? My understanding is that the Cape Coral Police

506
00:35:26,075 --> 00:35:29,926
Department has a marine unit. What I don't, and I'm

507
00:35:29,926 --> 00:35:34,086
not able to determine is how many sworn officers are

508
00:35:34,107 --> 00:35:38,126
assigned to it. How many patrol boats are operational. How

509
00:35:38,166 --> 00:35:41,326
many units are normally staffed on the water and what

510
00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:45,533
hours are these areas regular patrolled. I think we residents

511
00:35:45,533 --> 00:35:48,413
of Cape Coral deserve to know. It's not simply about

512
00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:53,373
wake violations. It's about reckless boating. It's about speeding wildlife

513
00:35:53,413 --> 00:35:58,173
protection boating under the influence accident search and rescue and

514
00:35:58,194 --> 00:36:02,699
protection of our waterfront properties. And having a visible law

515
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,859
enforcement presence that deters dangerous behavior before somebody gets hurt.

516
00:36:08,385 --> 00:36:14,764
Importantly, the police department's own 2026 through 2030 strategic plan

517
00:36:14,945 --> 00:36:20,124
identified extending, expanding the marine patrol boating safety enforcement as

518
00:36:20,164 --> 00:36:24,124
an objective. So I'm asking the city to create a

519
00:36:24,124 --> 00:36:26,524
new priority. I'm not asking the city to create new

520
00:36:26,564 --> 00:36:28,844
priority. I'm asking the council to make sure that we

521
00:36:29,265 --> 00:36:34,444
are adequately supporting a priority we've already asked for. I

522
00:36:34,444 --> 00:36:36,844
respectfully ask the council to have the city manager and

523
00:36:36,884 --> 00:36:41,564
police chief provide report on marine patrol staffing operational vessels

524
00:36:42,305 --> 00:36:47,244
patrol hours calls for service response times and how coverage

525
00:36:47,265 --> 00:36:52,124
is divided between our freshwater and saltwater canal systems. If

526
00:36:52,145 --> 00:36:56,204
the current resources are not sufficient, I would ask counsel

527
00:36:57,265 --> 00:37:01,414
be presented with options and costs. For expanding that coverage.

528
00:37:02,315 --> 00:37:04,734
For a city with over 400 miles of canals, I

529
00:37:04,734 --> 00:37:08,774
believe a strong and visible marine patrol presence should be

530
00:37:08,814 --> 00:37:12,730
a fundamental part of our public safety. Thank you Mayor.

531
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,170
Thank you, council. Thank you.

532
00:37:26,014 --> 00:37:29,142
Good afternoon Mayor City Council. As you know, I've been

533
00:37:29,163 --> 00:37:33,622
coming to these meetings quite regularly for the last X

534
00:37:33,662 --> 00:37:39,047
years. First of all, it was Mayor Sawicki. When I

535
00:37:39,047 --> 00:37:41,447
was president of the new residence club. She spoke in

536
00:37:41,487 --> 00:37:44,147
front of theirs. So, uh, you've seen me a lot

537
00:37:44,147 --> 00:37:48,060
here. I've tended a lot of meetings. Finally, the citizens

538
00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:50,968
of Cape Coral are speaking up. And I applaud them.

539
00:37:52,023 --> 00:37:56,562
So, uh, my topics are nothing personal. And hopefully they'll

540
00:37:56,562 --> 00:38:00,741
be professional. Uh, one of the candidates running for mayor

541
00:38:00,762 --> 00:38:03,701
indicated that he's going to try to bring back bike

542
00:38:03,701 --> 00:38:07,353
night. I'm very familiar with it. I met with Mr.

543
00:38:07,534 --> 00:38:11,273
Stanke. I met with the police chief. Parks and recreation

544
00:38:11,454 --> 00:38:17,239
director along with other, uh, Bike Night groups. And I

545
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,168
saw an interesting video. That they presented. It's quite alarming

546
00:38:22,749 --> 00:38:24,648
as some of the things that do go on during

547
00:38:24,989 --> 00:38:28,742
bike night. I'm probably assure you and Mr. Styche can

548
00:38:28,782 --> 00:38:30,982
speak at this that bike night will not be on

549
00:38:31,163 --> 00:38:38,538
47th. Second of all. I noticed that any questions that

550
00:38:38,879 --> 00:38:41,818
are asked by the city council by some of the

551
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:48,058
city employees come back as a condescending comments. Why are

552
00:38:48,058 --> 00:38:50,780
you asking me this. So I would, and I know

553
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:54,220
I've dressed this with the mayor, or not the mayor,

554
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:58,964
the city manager. And they are quite responsive. To try

555
00:38:58,964 --> 00:39:02,404
to not have a condescending attitude and being challenged by

556
00:39:02,425 --> 00:39:05,684
some of the remarks that are asked by the city

557
00:39:05,724 --> 00:39:09,825
council. Lastly, and I hate to even bring this up.

558
00:39:12,215 --> 00:39:17,394
In light of last week's council meeting to discuss the

559
00:39:17,434 --> 00:39:20,866
rowing clump, it is quite evident. That district to councilperson

560
00:39:20,906 --> 00:39:24,706
was way over her head regarding the decisions that affect

561
00:39:24,706 --> 00:39:28,471
many residents in Cape Coral. When the rowing club students

562
00:39:29,052 --> 00:39:33,751
outshine and embarrass a city council member would fax changes

563
00:39:33,751 --> 00:39:41,076
needed. Poor decisions. And not knowing the basic understanding of

564
00:39:41,257 --> 00:39:47,043
procedures. Budgets. Means this person should resign to better serve

565
00:39:47,704 --> 00:39:55,774
district two and residents of Cape Coral. Lastly. Mr. Long

566
00:39:55,875 --> 00:39:59,294
made a comment I saw. Sir, if you could just.

567
00:39:59,294 --> 00:40:05,532
Oh yeah. City council. So city council person. Made a

568
00:40:05,532 --> 00:40:09,132
comment regarding three fishermen's and the amount of money that

569
00:40:09,172 --> 00:40:13,052
we spent when litigation. I think it's over two million

570
00:40:13,073 --> 00:40:16,652
dollars if I'm not mistaken. So I hope when we

571
00:40:16,652 --> 00:40:20,492
go forward some of those litigations that we're going to

572
00:40:20,753 --> 00:40:24,812
have, uh, take those into consideration. Thank you very much.

573
00:40:26,002 --> 00:40:29,861
Thank you. Tom Shadrach and Lynn Reedy.

574
00:40:35,995 --> 00:40:39,814
Good evening. Tom Shadrach. Just one, you only have one

575
00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:42,134
consent item. So I thought I'd kind of address some

576
00:40:42,395 --> 00:40:47,314
questions towards it. No complaints or anything, just questions. Um,

577
00:40:48,075 --> 00:40:51,814
this is about the solid waste collection for commercial applications.

578
00:40:52,264 --> 00:40:56,803
I asked when we were doing the RFP for WACEPRO,

579
00:40:56,803 --> 00:41:00,243
which is under right now under the coat of silence,

580
00:41:00,243 --> 00:41:03,443
I guess on what we're deciding there. Uh, I asked

581
00:41:03,464 --> 00:41:06,963
that let's throw the commercial into the big picture for

582
00:41:06,984 --> 00:41:09,683
revenue consideration and to make sure we can spread the

583
00:41:09,704 --> 00:41:14,323
overhead over the commercial aspect as well. That wasn't included.

584
00:41:14,323 --> 00:41:17,043
So here we are just talking about rates. This is

585
00:41:17,224 --> 00:41:20,403
a direct pass - through that waste pro bills directly

586
00:41:20,443 --> 00:41:23,843
to our commercial entities. And we talk about, we need

587
00:41:23,843 --> 00:41:29,843
more commercial revenue in Cape Coral. But here we're not

588
00:41:30,024 --> 00:41:34,483
recognizing this revenue as a source of funding for overhead.

589
00:41:35,424 --> 00:41:38,043
I mean, if you'll, when we talk about solid race

590
00:41:38,064 --> 00:41:44,043
for residents, you'll see overhead as a big expense into

591
00:41:44,064 --> 00:41:48,926
residents. That doesn't get any allocation to this commercial cost.

592
00:41:48,926 --> 00:41:52,526
And I don't know what the franchise fees, if there's

593
00:41:52,526 --> 00:41:55,726
any associated with the commercial aspect, these are questions, right?

594
00:41:56,147 --> 00:41:59,806
Because we know trash trucks probably create the most damage

595
00:41:59,827 --> 00:42:04,606
to our streets than any other vehicle. So do they,

596
00:42:04,606 --> 00:42:07,486
is this money get included in the franchise fee value

597
00:42:07,526 --> 00:42:10,686
that they do pay to us? These are just questions.

598
00:42:10,686 --> 00:42:13,246
I don't know, because it's really kind of outside our

599
00:42:13,347 --> 00:42:18,346
revenue stream because it's just a mount that's increased. And

600
00:42:18,346 --> 00:42:21,486
a lot of people are discussing, is this how waste

601
00:42:21,526 --> 00:42:23,166
pro gets well? Cause we know we get a pretty

602
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:26,366
good deal because it's a fixed price contract, but do

603
00:42:26,406 --> 00:42:29,326
they get well because of these commercial rates? We don't

604
00:42:29,326 --> 00:42:32,206
know. I don't know what kind of revenue this adds

605
00:42:32,227 --> 00:42:35,726
up to that Ways Pro is receiving from these commercial

606
00:42:35,907 --> 00:42:39,246
contracts. It could be part of the revenue that offsets

607
00:42:39,246 --> 00:42:43,486
are overhead. We have like what six people that oversee

608
00:42:43,667 --> 00:42:46,571
waste pro from a residential cost. None of that gets

609
00:42:46,832 --> 00:42:50,691
allocated. Are we received back from the commercial world? So

610
00:42:51,552 --> 00:42:57,691
do we want more commercial value in our city? This

611
00:42:57,691 --> 00:43:01,291
seems to be the opposite. The residents are funding the

612
00:43:01,392 --> 00:43:06,406
commercial side of waste. Collection. That's what it looks like.

613
00:43:06,406 --> 00:43:08,566
I could be wrong. But these are kind of questions

614
00:43:08,827 --> 00:43:11,926
I would ask and expect you guys to know and

615
00:43:12,027 --> 00:43:14,646
understand. Thank you for that. And we'll talk later at

616
00:43:14,646 --> 00:43:15,366
the hearings. Thanks.

617
00:43:25,362 --> 00:43:32,018
Hi, I'm Lynn Ready. I live in 2237 Southwest 15th

618
00:43:32,018 --> 00:43:36,578
Avenue. Keep coral. I received a letter from the city

619
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:42,486
regarding. Utility assistant assessment. Would you? Yeah. A little closer.

620
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:46,749
Um, I received a letter from the city regarding a

621
00:43:46,850 --> 00:43:53,449
utility assessment from the previous owners at hardship deferment. And

622
00:43:53,449 --> 00:43:56,349
I've thought all of that was dealt with last year.

623
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:59,890
And now I have another one to appear here. For

624
00:43:59,991 --> 00:44:04,764
the same thing. And I have the information here showing

625
00:44:04,785 --> 00:44:10,883
that it's been paid. If you have questions, we can

626
00:44:10,883 --> 00:44:13,123
have a staff member try to help you. Yes. I

627
00:44:13,163 --> 00:44:17,581
have questions. Okay. Just go ahead and have a seat

628
00:44:17,842 --> 00:44:21,488
and somebody will get with you. Okay. Perfect. Lassette Fialo

629
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:23,408
and Marie Kavanaugh.

630
00:44:32,426 --> 00:44:38,652
Urattay, non, tu, everybody, en special resident. Um, here are

631
00:44:38,652 --> 00:44:42,732
many times yesterday I have meeting with Miss Lastra. Miss

632
00:44:42,833 --> 00:44:46,332
Lastra, thank you so much for listening to me because

633
00:44:46,332 --> 00:44:50,368
my problem, many problem with this city. It is over

634
00:44:50,389 --> 00:44:55,184
a year. Um, yesterday, uh, you know, milk with you

635
00:44:55,365 --> 00:44:59,184
only clarify because meeting before you say to me in

636
00:44:59,205 --> 00:45:03,744
front of the resident, I try to avoid taxes. You

637
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:09,004
know, Aaron Aboy taxes. My application in my fence, the

638
00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:13,984
cost was 500 dólar. So I paid taxes about 500

639
00:45:14,165 --> 00:45:18,624
dólar because my family, help me do everything, everything who

640
00:45:18,805 --> 00:45:24,572
is my husband. Now my friends has to remove, has

641
00:45:24,572 --> 00:45:27,152
to take care of and put new fame because they

642
00:45:27,192 --> 00:45:32,512
mistake was building the parming. They signed it and they

643
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:36,832
stamped the perming. And now they sent to me that

644
00:45:36,872 --> 00:45:40,352
we have to remove the fence, you know, dawa. Okay.

645
00:45:40,853 --> 00:45:44,032
I agree with you. Thank you so much because after

646
00:45:44,133 --> 00:45:50,879
February 25, I try to contact, you know. Richard Miller.

647
00:45:51,439 --> 00:46:01,258
Todd Hoagland, Rachel Kadu, Michael, love, love Michael Gunter, nobody.

648
00:46:01,258 --> 00:46:04,278
Trae to meet with me. Two listen to me. But

649
00:46:04,479 --> 00:46:09,658
after one year, you finally listen to me. Now my

650
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:15,098
family and me is no harassment is no stalking me

651
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,898
and my family. No, this is persecution with my family.

652
00:46:19,938 --> 00:46:25,503
This is harassment. This is discrimination. I claim equal rise.

653
00:46:25,503 --> 00:46:28,783
I claim my freedom porque aren't living in American. Okay.

654
00:46:29,444 --> 00:46:35,663
Now my daughter, you know, recipe dislero, my daughter never

655
00:46:36,164 --> 00:46:41,023
renting you house in the Airbnb. And this is not

656
00:46:41,044 --> 00:46:50,979
fair. The dictator government. For mi opinión is dictator government,

657
00:46:50,979 --> 00:46:55,059
because I live in freedom. This is persecution because mydore

658
00:46:55,059 --> 00:46:59,937
house never renting. Airbnb platform. You don't know why they

659
00:46:59,958 --> 00:47:04,977
say in dislero, because these under field or neigh. This

660
00:47:04,977 --> 00:47:10,017
is persecution. Hay remember one day when Mr. Mike say

661
00:47:10,678 --> 00:47:14,817
I don't. I told you now in front of the

662
00:47:14,817 --> 00:47:20,851
people, I don't answer any email from the resident. Hide

663
00:47:20,952 --> 00:47:25,032
that in this pooly beari one time. Because I remember,

664
00:47:25,032 --> 00:47:28,392
I don't like. I say true. You got is with

665
00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:33,672
me because I am clear person. Transparent person. He say

666
00:47:33,693 --> 00:47:37,020
that here. I don't answer anything. Thank you.

667
00:47:52,064 --> 00:47:55,783
Okay. My name is Marie Kavanaugh. Vice chair. Take out

668
00:47:55,783 --> 00:48:00,097
the trash committee of Cape Coral. First I want to

669
00:48:00,097 --> 00:48:03,657
talk about Bimini East. There's some questions that really need

670
00:48:03,657 --> 00:48:06,057
to be answered. And nobody's answering. You give them up

671
00:48:06,097 --> 00:48:09,337
here. You ask questions. Nobody bothers to answer them. They

672
00:48:09,438 --> 00:48:12,057
just ignore it. And hope we go away. Well, I

673
00:48:12,078 --> 00:48:18,454
got questions. Uh, we did a little investigation into the

674
00:48:18,555 --> 00:48:23,877
proposal that, uh, crown development. Brought forth. And according to

675
00:48:23,917 --> 00:48:29,025
that, and Charles Crane agrees with me on this. The

676
00:48:29,025 --> 00:48:32,465
city is going to put in a minimal of 60

677
00:48:32,486 --> 00:48:36,465
million dollars out of the 500 million they're claiming. Is

678
00:48:36,486 --> 00:48:37,905
it going to cost? And that's only a portion of

679
00:48:37,905 --> 00:48:43,334
it. There's more. That haven't been determined yet what the

680
00:48:43,355 --> 00:48:46,414
costs are because staff never supplied it. We're going to

681
00:48:46,475 --> 00:48:51,880
do all the lighting fixtures. Um, on Coronado and Cape

682
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Coral Parkway. We're going to do some development beyond Miramar

683
00:48:58,381 --> 00:49:02,040
and Coronado. And there's no prices there. Before we're done,

684
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,040
I imagine we're going to be probably footing at least

685
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,360
100 million dollars Well, on to JC Park, wow, 18

686
00:49:10,461 --> 00:49:13,840
million dollars later half the park is not usable. We

687
00:49:13,901 --> 00:49:19,000
were promised a bistro that was going to bring in

688
00:49:19,341 --> 00:49:21,880
500 million dollars a year. Well, right now we got

689
00:49:22,941 --> 00:49:27,800
three food trucks coming on the weekends at 375 dollars.

690
00:49:30,312 --> 00:49:33,411
A weekend each. And over the course of the year,

691
00:49:33,411 --> 00:49:37,571
that 17, 000 dollars We put 18 million. We are

692
00:49:37,672 --> 00:49:41,731
owed an explanation as to why that park is in

693
00:49:41,771 --> 00:49:46,560
the horrible situation it's in. There was obviously a design

694
00:49:46,901 --> 00:49:51,520
flaw. The whole center section is all soggy. It's like

695
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,360
a swamp. If my front lawn looked like that, I

696
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,120
would have code compliance tickets up to my roof and

697
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,480
thousands and thousands of dollars. And as far as this

698
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,360
little dissertation this morning about whether we can clap it

699
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,800
out, if you look at your agenda, we're not in

700
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,829
the business meeting yet. Citizens input is above that. And

701
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:16,569
I'm sure staff is going to scurry off and move

702
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:20,569
it down under business. The citizen's input. But last week

703
00:50:20,830 --> 00:50:25,449
was a great meeting. We didn't have gavel guy here

704
00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:30,089
smashing us down at, you know, anytime anybody clapped. Anybody

705
00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:34,889
said anything. It was wonderful. Even the council looked more

706
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:39,864
relaxed. Everybody here looked relaxed. And what good time was

707
00:50:39,864 --> 00:50:42,984
had by all. So I've come to the conclusion, it's

708
00:50:42,984 --> 00:50:46,959
his fault. And that's why he lost his election by

709
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:57,392
85 percent. Hi, Kyle. Muhammadu and Ken Jans.

710
00:51:02,251 --> 00:51:04,470
Good evening, Kyle Lamadou chair of Take Out the trash.

711
00:51:05,203 --> 00:51:08,137
Boy. There has been a smell of fear in this

712
00:51:08,137 --> 00:51:10,937
room recently and I love that smell. It's coming from

713
00:51:10,977 --> 00:51:14,304
up there. I don't know why the city is so

714
00:51:14,325 --> 00:51:17,104
fearful of the citizens controlling their own government, but that's

715
00:51:17,144 --> 00:51:20,066
a question you guys should ask yourself. So now to

716
00:51:20,087 --> 00:51:24,882
the mayor. You have two options in my opinion of

717
00:51:24,882 --> 00:51:33,936
how you take your last two months. To. Listen. I'm

718
00:51:33,976 --> 00:51:36,176
listening. I'll do that with my ears, not my eyes.

719
00:51:36,597 --> 00:51:39,056
Okay. I'll have to judge Judy says listen with your

720
00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:42,476
ears. So I think you could do one thing. You

721
00:51:42,476 --> 00:51:46,330
could apologize to the citizens tonight. You could resign and

722
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:48,900
then you could walk out. Or you could be a

723
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:51,380
mayor for the people that you always should have been.

724
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:54,389
You get to decide how your last two months go.

725
00:51:55,735 --> 00:52:00,034
Now we're going to talk about council member district two

726
00:52:00,074 --> 00:52:03,461
and council member district. Oh, what are you five? I

727
00:52:03,461 --> 00:52:08,062
think five. So she already know where I'm going. So

728
00:52:09,203 --> 00:52:12,382
I pledge to not accept any stipend from my full

729
00:52:12,403 --> 00:52:17,022
term and lead in its trapel. Restore resident subject manager

730
00:52:17,283 --> 00:52:20,702
experts to key committees. Champion the voice of the people

731
00:52:21,203 --> 00:52:25,502
in all programs, including budgeting, parks and rec, JC Park,

732
00:52:25,502 --> 00:52:28,222
and the yacht club. Be your full - time councilman

733
00:52:28,262 --> 00:52:33,629
at part - time pay. Now, are you sick and

734
00:52:33,669 --> 00:52:37,141
tired of corruption in our city. Wasteful spending by the

735
00:52:37,242 --> 00:52:41,221
mayor and city council. Voted themselves a stipend without a

736
00:52:41,242 --> 00:52:46,341
citizen's vote. Skyrocketing your taxes. Spending money the city doesn't

737
00:52:46,602 --> 00:52:51,798
have. The city becoming a concrete jungle. Disastrous park projects

738
00:52:51,798 --> 00:52:55,078
such as JC Park, which is now a perfect refugee.

739
00:52:55,078 --> 00:52:56,998
Or do you want a bar, a band shell and

740
00:52:57,038 --> 00:53:01,078
food trucks? The city wasted 2. 5 million dollars on

741
00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:04,758
Coviel a park. That is not handicap or senior accessible

742
00:53:04,939 --> 00:53:10,038
and cannot be navigated by strollers, bikes, or our pets.

743
00:53:10,038 --> 00:53:12,598
Each homeowner in the northeast will be forced to pay

744
00:53:12,598 --> 00:53:18,462
for 35, 000 for water and sewer. I was 38.

745
00:53:19,733 --> 00:53:26,341
I stand for transparency. Honesty and integrity, strong character. Both

746
00:53:26,442 --> 00:53:30,101
of you have two years left. And you get to

747
00:53:30,202 --> 00:53:35,061
decide how those two years go. We saw somebody, very

748
00:53:35,061 --> 00:53:37,381
rollover very quickly last week and change their vote on

749
00:53:37,421 --> 00:53:40,021
certain things. But at the end of the day, you

750
00:53:40,061 --> 00:53:42,501
get determined what you want your legacy in the city

751
00:53:42,522 --> 00:53:45,701
to be. And you guys have the chance to actually

752
00:53:45,741 --> 00:53:48,981
make it a decent one. Because right now, everybody I

753
00:53:49,021 --> 00:53:51,121
talk to is not happy with you and they are

754
00:53:51,121 --> 00:53:53,861
not happy with you. The one who's probably falling asleep.

755
00:53:53,861 --> 00:54:02,791
Thank you. Can. Jan's and Anne Birchtol.

756
00:54:06,783 --> 00:54:07,802
And Birchko.

757
00:54:18,404 --> 00:54:21,375
And votes told, take out the trash. I didn't really

758
00:54:21,415 --> 00:54:24,015
think I was going to be speaking tonight. I came

759
00:54:24,116 --> 00:54:26,895
down here thinking I was going to sit myself down

760
00:54:26,996 --> 00:54:30,631
and have a meeting. And Dr. D, you surprised me.

761
00:54:30,631 --> 00:54:34,071
Maybe it was the excitement or the relaxation of the

762
00:54:34,332 --> 00:54:39,751
pleasant council meeting last week. But you had something to

763
00:54:39,791 --> 00:54:44,002
say and it was wonderful. Let's revisit clapping. What a

764
00:54:44,002 --> 00:54:53,262
great idea. But unfortunately, Ryan. But the gavel's out. But

765
00:54:53,603 --> 00:55:01,209
unfortunately, nobody could come to what you were saying. And

766
00:55:01,249 --> 00:55:05,199
understand what you were saying. Which really hurts my heart.

767
00:55:06,763 --> 00:55:11,577
Last week's meeting was orderly. And with decorum. And yes,

768
00:55:11,918 --> 00:55:16,616
there was clapping. We clapped, right? I think even the

769
00:55:16,717 --> 00:55:19,656
council people clapped. Y'all enjoyed yourself for once. You look

770
00:55:19,656 --> 00:55:23,096
like it was really a good time. And sometimes we're

771
00:55:23,136 --> 00:55:24,856
not going to have meetings that are a good time.

772
00:55:25,621 --> 00:55:29,155
But it was a great meeting. And I am sure

773
00:55:29,256 --> 00:55:33,235
all of you agree, if not openly, maybe just quietly.

774
00:55:34,139 --> 00:55:39,558
That last week's meeting proved that citizen participation was a

775
00:55:39,579 --> 00:55:44,814
valuable part of the meeting. Right? Valuable. And as for

776
00:55:44,814 --> 00:55:49,454
the all - consuming compulsation with the business aspect of

777
00:55:49,555 --> 00:55:51,614
a meeting, I just talk a quick look at the

778
00:55:51,635 --> 00:55:56,752
agenda. And guess what? The agenda says that citizens input

779
00:55:56,792 --> 00:56:00,935
us before business. Before. I like somebody else said. I'm

780
00:56:00,935 --> 00:56:05,472
sure that'll change next week. It'll be changed. And as

781
00:56:05,512 --> 00:56:10,512
for the statement from one of the council members that

782
00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:17,392
every other meetings, Sanibel, Port Charlotte, Fort Myers, wherever, every

783
00:56:17,392 --> 00:56:20,930
other meeting, there is no clapping. I don't know where

784
00:56:20,951 --> 00:56:24,450
that person dreamt that up, but it's just another example

785
00:56:24,951 --> 00:56:31,289
of whimsical nonsense. That comes before us. Whimsical nonsense from

786
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:36,167
the bench. Dr. D, it was a great way to

787
00:56:36,207 --> 00:56:46,141
start the meeting. Thank you. Please, no clapping. Oh,

788
00:56:46,141 --> 00:56:51,940
stop. Not a judge. Your honor. And city council. I

789
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:56,814
am. In receipt of comment cards after last call was

790
00:56:57,715 --> 00:57:01,854
given and the box was collected. Um, and your council

791
00:57:01,894 --> 00:57:05,614
rules on page 13. It says that the mayor shall

792
00:57:05,635 --> 00:57:09,054
provide a last call notice during the meeting after which

793
00:57:09,395 --> 00:57:12,494
point no further public comment cards will be accepted by

794
00:57:12,534 --> 00:57:16,094
the city clerk. They were dropped off physically to me.

795
00:57:16,094 --> 00:57:19,374
I just wanted to let council know in case they

796
00:57:19,475 --> 00:57:22,639
want to do what we have. Two. Two. I would

797
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:23,999
let them go ahead. Yeah. I think two is fine.

798
00:57:24,474 --> 00:57:30,883
Okay. David Kalish. And Lisa Cohen Atkinson. Mayor, before they

799
00:57:30,883 --> 00:57:37,331
start. May we take a boat on what we're doing

800
00:57:37,352 --> 00:57:40,744
here. Because we are, again, our rule state that has

801
00:57:40,744 --> 00:57:42,744
to be approval of counsel. And I know we all

802
00:57:42,845 --> 00:57:45,539
going to approve. Let's just make it formal. Okay. So

803
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,441
we don't get shot down with that. I would like

804
00:57:48,441 --> 00:57:51,241
to make a motion that yes, we continue with citizen

805
00:57:51,262 --> 00:57:58,047
input for the last two speakers. Second. No other lights

806
00:57:58,047 --> 00:58:00,767
on, Madam City Clark, please call the rope. Kill rain.

807
00:58:00,868 --> 00:58:09,255
Aye. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Long. Sanky? Aye. Janelle Gunter. Aye.

808
00:58:09,356 --> 00:58:18,088
Kaduk? Aye. All eyes motion carried. Was that.

809
00:58:19,709 --> 00:58:24,330
For you? Yeah. Okay. You guys know me, Dave Kalish.

810
00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:26,756
I used to come here real lot. Before I got

811
00:58:26,777 --> 00:58:30,775
tired talking to a brick wall. I'm back. I'm glad.

812
00:58:31,784 --> 00:58:34,483
I'm back because I'm excited that the people in the

813
00:58:34,523 --> 00:58:38,142
city are finally waking up. And realizing that we need

814
00:58:38,563 --> 00:58:43,029
change. From where we are. Okay. That's a very big

815
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:47,111
deal to me. I'm very happy about it. Um, hopefully

816
00:58:47,212 --> 00:58:51,271
we can move forward and keep staying with making the

817
00:58:51,311 --> 00:58:54,644
changes and the people keep staying involved. Because a lot

818
00:58:54,644 --> 00:58:58,744
of times for all the years I've been here to

819
00:58:58,744 --> 00:59:01,624
a council meeting, I've watched most of the time and

820
00:59:01,624 --> 00:59:05,864
you could count on your hand if you watch four

821
00:59:05,965 --> 00:59:09,704
at most five of you actually will watch the person

822
00:59:09,965 --> 00:59:13,775
that's talking to you. Three to four of you will

823
00:59:13,876 --> 00:59:16,815
be playing on your computer or eating your dinner or

824
00:59:16,855 --> 00:59:20,388
whatever they have you're doing. Okay. No offense. I find

825
00:59:20,388 --> 00:59:25,827
that to be disrespectful, extremely enrude. We don't do it

826
00:59:25,827 --> 00:59:28,547
to you. Why should you do it to us? Okay.

827
00:59:28,568 --> 00:59:30,627
We're here for you to pay attention. I know you

828
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,747
don't care and you're not going to answer. You've proven

829
00:59:33,787 --> 00:59:36,387
that for all the years I've been here, I've never

830
00:59:36,408 --> 00:59:39,467
seen you guys really give a crap about anything. That's

831
00:59:39,488 --> 00:59:42,347
a big deal. And that's why I'm really happy that

832
00:59:42,688 --> 00:59:46,922
the people in this city are waking up. And district

833
00:59:46,943 --> 00:59:49,562
to them a little very disappointed in what you did

834
00:59:49,602 --> 00:59:55,363
with the vote last week. But we need more change.

835
00:59:55,363 --> 00:59:58,882
That's just the beginning. You know, I'm not going to

836
00:59:58,882 --> 01:00:01,802
miss them. I can't say his name. Not that anybody

837
01:00:01,903 --> 01:00:05,385
doesn't know who I'm talking about. You know. But, um,

838
01:00:06,706 --> 01:00:08,605
I don't know what to say. I mean, I'm just,

839
01:00:08,645 --> 01:00:12,845
I'm disgusted. I'm very disgusted. I came, I moved to

840
01:00:12,885 --> 01:00:16,933
Cape Coil. And he is a good story. I moved

841
01:00:17,194 --> 01:00:19,413
to Cape Coil and I had something going on that

842
01:00:19,434 --> 01:00:22,693
I needed to get permission for. I was brand new

843
01:00:22,733 --> 01:00:26,933
here. I didn't know anybody. So my, my bad that

844
01:00:26,973 --> 01:00:29,443
I didn't know how bad it was here. Okay. So

845
01:00:29,464 --> 01:00:32,083
I went and talked to my council member and I

846
01:00:32,083 --> 01:00:34,883
said that I needed a fence in my yard because

847
01:00:34,883 --> 01:00:37,764
I have a special needs to order. I've been holding

848
01:00:37,785 --> 01:00:41,124
this in for seven years. I never get told anybody

849
01:00:41,305 --> 01:00:44,644
this, but the answer that I got, and this is

850
01:00:45,385 --> 01:00:50,084
on God, from God. This is the truth. Okay. Was,

851
01:00:50,084 --> 01:00:54,418
huh. Good luck with that. Okay. So for me, what's

852
01:00:54,418 --> 01:00:58,018
going on now, what happened with the primary is a

853
01:00:58,018 --> 01:01:00,658
much more of a big deal for me than anybody

854
01:01:00,658 --> 01:01:04,338
else. Because I turned around and I walked away and

855
01:01:04,378 --> 01:01:06,098
I said, there is going to come a point that

856
01:01:06,138 --> 01:01:09,591
you're going to get yours. Okay. And I'm very, very,

857
01:01:09,692 --> 01:01:13,671
very, very happy and proud of the people in this

858
01:01:13,711 --> 01:01:16,151
city. But you guys got to pay attention and you

859
01:01:16,191 --> 01:01:18,355
got to give a crap. And I'm not saying that

860
01:01:18,536 --> 01:01:21,660
all of you don't. Okay. So don't everybody take a

861
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:23,740
personal. I don't mean it that way. But the ones

862
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:26,780
that are like that know it. Okay. Uh - oh.

863
01:01:26,801 --> 01:01:35,638
Wait a minute. That's it. I'm sorry. Good evening, Lisa

864
01:01:35,638 --> 01:01:39,558
Cohen. Southwest Cape. It was a joyful place last week.

865
01:01:39,558 --> 01:01:41,638
There's no doubt about it. I could feel the joy

866
01:01:41,659 --> 01:01:44,038
in the room. It was just, it was a lighthearted

867
01:01:44,059 --> 01:01:46,678
place. It was a place that people, I smiled more

868
01:01:46,718 --> 01:01:49,118
than I've ever smiled in this room last week. So

869
01:01:49,339 --> 01:01:51,718
I'm looking forward to brighter days. There's no doubt about

870
01:01:51,718 --> 01:01:55,318
it. However, in the meantime, before a single dollar of

871
01:01:55,318 --> 01:02:02,278
property taxes, 515 dollars for fire, 384 dollars for taxes.

872
01:02:02,278 --> 01:02:05,878
And after tonight another 163 for stormwater. Over a thousand

873
01:02:05,918 --> 01:02:08,903
dollars and flat fees. And they don't care what you

874
01:02:09,004 --> 01:02:14,663
earn. The water bill is in the third straight year

875
01:02:14,703 --> 01:02:17,703
of 11 percent increases. And the tax rate goes up

876
01:02:17,724 --> 01:02:21,783
this year. Well, page 51 of the budget still collect

877
01:02:21,804 --> 01:02:25,063
7 million more in property taxes than last year. Families

878
01:02:25,103 --> 01:02:28,743
don't get a rollback right when their income drops, they

879
01:02:28,743 --> 01:02:33,527
cut. Now the city's page 29 of your own policy

880
01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:37,447
number one says structurally balance means current revenues equal current

881
01:02:37,548 --> 01:02:43,367
expenditures. This year and the forecast year, page 46 shows

882
01:02:43,548 --> 01:02:46,807
5. 9 million gap this year, 9. 8 million next

883
01:02:46,807 --> 01:02:50,567
year, 18 million the year after, all covered from the

884
01:02:50,828 --> 01:02:59,207
fun balance. Personal costs rise 10. 9 million. Short of

885
01:02:59,228 --> 01:03:03,722
your own policy. And page 63 forecasts of the fire

886
01:03:03,762 --> 01:03:07,402
assessment collecting 83 million next year up from 64 million

887
01:03:07,663 --> 01:03:10,677
this year. If that's right, families need to hear it

888
01:03:10,677 --> 01:03:15,939
now, not next July. When it came time to find

889
01:03:15,979 --> 01:03:20,419
cuts all at the August 4th workshop, the options were

890
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,019
an 80 percent fee increase on your youth sports, which

891
01:03:24,019 --> 01:03:28,019
you rightly rejected and eliminated a vacant position in the

892
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,784
internal auditor's office, the auditor. And a year that the

893
01:03:32,805 --> 01:03:35,904
top of the organizational chart got a raise. The city

894
01:03:35,925 --> 01:03:41,784
managers pay went to 336, 984 last September. About 18

895
01:03:42,005 --> 01:03:47,824
percent above his 2023 starting salary. And a page 42

896
01:03:48,005 --> 01:03:53,984
creates two new deputy director titles, which reclassification. Residents keep

897
01:03:53,984 --> 01:03:57,824
telling me that there are double digit raises for directors

898
01:03:57,824 --> 01:04:00,224
in here. I can't find that line. And I won't

899
01:04:00,264 --> 01:04:03,104
repeat a number I can't source. So put it on

900
01:04:03,104 --> 01:04:07,307
the record before September 10th. The pay change for every

901
01:04:07,328 --> 01:04:11,867
director level position above next to the market midpoint in

902
01:04:11,867 --> 01:04:16,431
the Baker Tilly study you paid for. Three asks, reconcile

903
01:04:16,471 --> 01:04:21,311
policy one with page 46 in writing. Publish executive and

904
01:04:21,332 --> 01:04:24,751
director pay by position before the first hearing. And before

905
01:04:24,772 --> 01:04:27,871
you ask a family for one more dollar, show them

906
01:04:27,911 --> 01:04:33,153
the whole page. Thank you. And please reopen the RFP

907
01:04:33,174 --> 01:04:39,663
on Biminied. Is that the last person? Yes, sir. I'll

908
01:04:39,663 --> 01:04:44,671
open up for any council discussion for citizens input. Council

909
01:04:44,711 --> 01:04:48,962
member last year. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you to everyone

910
01:04:49,223 --> 01:04:52,422
who spoke. Um, I've just kind of made some notes.

911
01:04:52,422 --> 01:04:54,342
So I'm going to, I might be a little choppy

912
01:04:54,342 --> 01:04:58,262
on this. First, I wanted to address ma'am. I did

913
01:04:58,363 --> 01:05:00,242
not get your name. You may have said it, but

914
01:05:00,242 --> 01:05:02,582
I didn't hear it. So I apologize when you spoke

915
01:05:02,622 --> 01:05:04,902
about solid waste. We're going to go through that. We're

916
01:05:04,902 --> 01:05:07,462
going to talk about that. Um, I plan to pull

917
01:05:07,502 --> 01:05:09,782
that from the consent agenda item so that we can

918
01:05:09,883 --> 01:05:12,582
clarify some of those points. And I know they're on

919
01:05:12,582 --> 01:05:15,462
our discussion for tonight and I anticipate some of my

920
01:05:15,502 --> 01:05:18,502
team will be asking similar questions as well. So just

921
01:05:18,542 --> 01:05:23,942
sit tight. Um, Mr. Daly, you spoke about the marine

922
01:05:24,843 --> 01:05:30,422
unit from CCPD. And I know because I ask every

923
01:05:30,443 --> 01:05:34,102
year, um, that's one of my favorite ride - alongs

924
01:05:34,102 --> 01:05:35,782
to do. And I always see every time I do

925
01:05:35,822 --> 01:05:38,262
it that I always ask the question we really need

926
01:05:38,283 --> 01:05:42,022
more. Um, we do need more. We have four marine

927
01:05:42,062 --> 01:05:49,294
unit officers currently and a working sergeant. Um, however, you

928
01:05:49,294 --> 01:05:51,914
know, each year, uh, you see our police budget, you

929
01:05:51,914 --> 01:05:56,874
see, um, our need for boots on the ground. And

930
01:05:56,915 --> 01:06:01,653
this year, we're not increasing that number. Um, the past

931
01:06:01,674 --> 01:06:04,533
two years have been about half the request that police

932
01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:08,613
PD has made, um, and then of course response time

933
01:06:08,874 --> 01:06:12,293
for marine depends on the issue. So if it's an

934
01:06:12,314 --> 01:06:16,213
emergent issue, it'll be faster. If it's not, uh, then

935
01:06:16,234 --> 01:06:18,373
it won't be, um, I'm trying to think of a

936
01:06:18,373 --> 01:06:21,313
good example of that. So for example, if the, um,

937
01:06:21,514 --> 01:06:26,213
a fire or a potential reckless driving, that's obviously something

938
01:06:26,234 --> 01:06:30,533
that goes to priority if a resident complains that someone

939
01:06:30,634 --> 01:06:33,413
speeding through a wake zone or it's too loud. That

940
01:06:33,413 --> 01:06:36,293
might fall below that priority. I can't say that for

941
01:06:36,394 --> 01:06:39,013
a fact, but I'm only speaking from experience when I've

942
01:06:39,013 --> 01:06:43,733
done these ride alongs. Um, and then, you know, we

943
01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:46,673
also have to weigh out quality of life issues, uh,

944
01:06:47,434 --> 01:06:52,613
marine issues. So for example, if there's a shooting somewhere

945
01:06:52,613 --> 01:06:54,613
in the cape and someone at the same time is

946
01:06:54,634 --> 01:06:57,973
called because someone's speeding in the wake zone, obviously the

947
01:06:57,973 --> 01:07:02,373
shooting would take precedent. So, um, you know, keep watching.

948
01:07:02,373 --> 01:07:04,453
Stay tuned. If you have any additional questions, I encourage

949
01:07:04,493 --> 01:07:08,133
you to reach out to myself. Um, or police chief,

950
01:07:08,133 --> 01:07:12,613
um, and they can answer your questions more directly. Let's

951
01:07:12,634 --> 01:07:17,265
see. Uh, let's see. Mr. Aldrid, since I moved here

952
01:07:17,526 --> 01:07:20,705
in 2008, we've always had, I mean, I moved here

953
01:07:20,886 --> 01:07:24,045
and would watch, uh, council meetings, um, cause I saw

954
01:07:24,086 --> 01:07:26,545
them a lot on the news. I think Mayor Sullivan

955
01:07:26,585 --> 01:07:29,345
was the mayor back then. And there was always group

956
01:07:29,686 --> 01:07:33,985
of residents. So it's, it's encouraging as an elected official

957
01:07:34,025 --> 01:07:37,585
to see residents coming forward and speaking and talking and

958
01:07:37,625 --> 01:07:40,625
asking questions. Um, I think that's why we do our

959
01:07:40,646 --> 01:07:43,265
jobs up here is because we do want to hear.

960
01:07:43,265 --> 01:07:45,185
I'm not going to a lot of doors. Um, and

961
01:07:45,526 --> 01:07:48,385
I hear from residents all the time, what can we,

962
01:07:48,385 --> 01:07:50,945
what can I do? Should I serve you to make

963
01:07:50,985 --> 01:07:54,605
it better? Traffic still always the number one complaint. Um,

964
01:07:54,605 --> 01:07:57,985
and then they're concerned for public safety. But each year

965
01:07:58,086 --> 01:08:01,025
it's been a new group. And I'm happy to see

966
01:08:01,065 --> 01:08:05,431
that tradition continue with our city. And then we do

967
01:08:05,452 --> 01:08:08,531
have bike night. We do have bike night actually. Um,

968
01:08:08,531 --> 01:08:10,591
we still have bike night. We did a presentation. I

969
01:08:10,591 --> 01:08:12,711
want to say it our last cow meeting. They talked

970
01:08:12,711 --> 01:08:16,631
about the cost of the city, uh, 1. 8 million

971
01:08:16,732 --> 01:08:21,591
for bike night. And red, white and boom. So we

972
01:08:21,591 --> 01:08:24,951
still have bike night currently right now. Will that change?

973
01:08:24,951 --> 01:08:28,311
I don't know. That depends on, um, what our budget

974
01:08:28,332 --> 01:08:31,351
looks like next year. And, um, you know, where if

975
01:08:31,772 --> 01:08:34,631
it's a priority to the council, um, and then Mr.

976
01:08:34,732 --> 01:08:37,111
Chadrach, as I mentioned before, yes, we will be talking

977
01:08:37,132 --> 01:08:42,079
about solid waste. So stay tuned. Thank you, Mayor. Council

978
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:46,637
Member Kilring. My first mentioned, we had a couple of

979
01:08:46,637 --> 01:08:52,014
questions that were centered around technology. And the execution of

980
01:08:52,715 --> 01:08:57,214
police service and using that technology. Uh, I'm going to

981
01:08:57,515 --> 01:09:01,894
reference a paper that was provided by chief sizemore. It's

982
01:09:01,894 --> 01:09:05,374
called trust before technology. It's available on the website. Or

983
01:09:05,374 --> 01:09:07,734
if it is, and we'll get it up there. It's

984
01:09:07,734 --> 01:09:10,294
available through his department in any event. It's an excellent

985
01:09:10,715 --> 01:09:15,174
paper talking about the evolution and technology and how technology

986
01:09:15,755 --> 01:09:22,534
and democracy is used to, first technology service policing service

987
01:09:22,635 --> 01:09:27,014
for law and the law serves constitutional liberty. And it's

988
01:09:27,195 --> 01:09:30,694
with the Fourth Amendment really controls what's available and how

989
01:09:30,734 --> 01:09:35,613
that's used. And it's, it's a knowledgeable. Document that really

990
01:09:35,634 --> 01:09:39,533
gets into the trust issue and being able to take

991
01:09:40,034 --> 01:09:44,173
the good points of technology. And we're talking plot cameras.

992
01:09:44,173 --> 01:09:47,053
We're talking about license plate readers. Uh, the way it's

993
01:09:47,074 --> 01:09:49,613
evolved over time. And I mean, it gets into the

994
01:09:49,653 --> 01:09:53,054
early things like fingerprinting everything else. Uh, it's, it's an

995
01:09:53,054 --> 01:09:58,094
excellent document. So people who are uncomfortable about how technology

996
01:09:58,115 --> 01:10:02,814
is moving in to the policing effort. It's been happening.

997
01:10:02,814 --> 01:10:06,371
It's been evolving for a hundred years, at least. And

998
01:10:06,632 --> 01:10:15,571
this, this really captures the thought process how our capas

999
01:10:16,552 --> 01:10:19,331
and do it in a manner that adds some real

1000
01:10:19,331 --> 01:10:23,731
good consideration for the Fourth Amendment. Uh, I recommend it

1001
01:10:23,771 --> 01:10:26,771
for everyone, uh, to take a look at. Uh, the

1002
01:10:26,811 --> 01:10:29,331
second thing I want to address, I put my hand

1003
01:10:29,752 --> 01:10:33,731
on the Bible when I took this job. And basically,

1004
01:10:33,731 --> 01:10:37,424
uh, it is funny, but it's the truth. Uh, and,

1005
01:10:37,424 --> 01:10:41,424
and basically I pledge that I would do things in

1006
01:10:41,445 --> 01:10:44,144
a best interest or residence of the city. I do

1007
01:10:44,165 --> 01:10:48,144
my homework on every meeting. I do it. I evaluate

1008
01:10:48,144 --> 01:10:50,684
things and I'm going to continue to do that. And

1009
01:10:50,725 --> 01:10:54,544
because I'm not meaning what you feel policy should be

1010
01:10:54,885 --> 01:10:57,264
in a specific groups of people, I'm sorry, but that's

1011
01:10:57,304 --> 01:10:59,504
not the way I'm coming down on things. I'm looking

1012
01:10:59,605 --> 01:11:02,864
at it in what my input has been from other

1013
01:11:04,165 --> 01:11:08,304
sources, from the facts. And I make my decisions based

1014
01:11:08,304 --> 01:11:10,864
on that. And if you don't like it, I don't

1015
01:11:10,904 --> 01:11:13,824
intimidate. Well, you can do whatever you need to do.

1016
01:11:13,824 --> 01:11:16,544
But the point being is I'm going to continue to

1017
01:11:16,565 --> 01:11:20,144
operate that way. And that's, that's about it. That's all

1018
01:11:20,144 --> 01:11:23,024
I can say. I follow the facts. I follow what

1019
01:11:23,024 --> 01:11:26,544
I think is reasonable. And I'll make the best decision.

1020
01:11:26,544 --> 01:11:28,864
I feel I can make any interest to the city.

1021
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:34,485
Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Stinke. Thank you, Mayor. Just

1022
01:11:34,506 --> 01:11:37,285
a few things. Gary, I was going to speak about

1023
01:11:37,546 --> 01:11:41,125
bike night as well. Thank you for acknowledging getting together

1024
01:11:41,165 --> 01:11:44,705
with that. Uh, and the way you started out, uh,

1025
01:11:44,986 --> 01:11:47,365
it sounded like a new candidate was going to bring

1026
01:11:47,626 --> 01:11:50,565
bite night back. Bite night hasn't left. It was talking

1027
01:11:50,565 --> 01:11:54,565
about bringing it back to 47 and having the motorcycles

1028
01:11:54,666 --> 01:11:57,365
on 47 rather than in the, in the parking lot

1029
01:11:57,386 --> 01:12:00,325
in the club square parking lot. So it wasn't the

1030
01:12:00,365 --> 01:12:02,965
bike night's been taken away. Uh, and what, and what

1031
01:12:03,005 --> 01:12:08,485
Gary was referring to, uh, was the inability for, for

1032
01:12:08,525 --> 01:12:11,125
our public safety officials to provide the type of public

1033
01:12:11,146 --> 01:12:14,725
safety that was necessary, uh, if it was left on

1034
01:12:14,746 --> 01:12:18,085
47th based on, uh, as he stated some, some video

1035
01:12:18,266 --> 01:12:22,085
observations that, uh, would have caused our potentially caused our

1036
01:12:22,085 --> 01:12:24,725
citizens harm. Um, so it was all about, it was

1037
01:12:24,725 --> 01:12:28,325
all about having public safety. The changes. And so the

1038
01:12:28,325 --> 01:12:31,525
thought of bringing it back to 47 was the issue,

1039
01:12:31,525 --> 01:12:33,645
not us not having bike, not anymore. So yeah, we

1040
01:12:33,786 --> 01:12:37,205
still have bike night. Um, as far as being on

1041
01:12:37,205 --> 01:12:40,165
the computer, uh, David, I use my computer to take

1042
01:12:40,186 --> 01:12:43,925
notes. So, um, I'm a hunt and pecker. And so

1043
01:12:43,946 --> 01:12:45,605
I kind of have to look down at the keyboard

1044
01:12:45,706 --> 01:12:48,565
while I take the notes, but, uh, we're giving technology

1045
01:12:48,906 --> 01:12:51,125
use. And rather than using paper and pen and whatnot

1046
01:12:51,626 --> 01:12:54,645
during citizens input, I continue looking up and back to

1047
01:12:54,685 --> 01:12:56,965
my computer to take notes. So that's what I'm using

1048
01:12:57,066 --> 01:13:00,405
my computer for is to pay attention, uh, and have

1049
01:13:00,506 --> 01:13:03,605
nodes to refer back to in the future. Uh, and

1050
01:13:04,106 --> 01:13:06,885
last, as it relates to the flock cameras, I would

1051
01:13:06,906 --> 01:13:09,445
just let you know that, um, my thought on them

1052
01:13:09,445 --> 01:13:13,445
is technology has continued to progress in every aspect of

1053
01:13:13,485 --> 01:13:16,645
our lives. Um, and, you know, as we know, when

1054
01:13:16,666 --> 01:13:22,645
we go through the toll booths and intelligent, if you

1055
01:13:22,645 --> 01:13:26,165
don't have a, uh, you know, a transponder of some

1056
01:13:26,666 --> 01:13:28,305
type that you're going to get a bill in the

1057
01:13:28,305 --> 01:13:30,565
mail, well, the way they know how to send the

1058
01:13:30,605 --> 01:13:32,165
bill and the males because they take a picture of

1059
01:13:32,186 --> 01:13:35,685
your license plate, uh, and so there's, there's cameras all

1060
01:13:35,685 --> 01:13:38,165
over the place. Um, I think when we go into

1061
01:13:38,506 --> 01:13:40,965
publics, we'll see the little round dome up there. It's

1062
01:13:40,986 --> 01:13:44,785
taken your picture. It's taken videos. Uh, and just, you

1063
01:13:44,785 --> 01:13:47,845
know, in the last 12 months, I tell you personally,

1064
01:13:47,845 --> 01:13:51,125
uh, I came home to find someone had run their

1065
01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:54,805
car up onto my personal property and caused quite a

1066
01:13:54,805 --> 01:13:58,210
bit of disruption. 48 hours later, they found out who

1067
01:13:58,250 --> 01:14:01,170
did it. And they had to make restitution. And that

1068
01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:03,010
was because a flock camera is being able to say

1069
01:14:03,271 --> 01:14:05,810
this car is what left this street on that day

1070
01:14:06,391 --> 01:14:08,770
and left half of their side of their car on

1071
01:14:08,791 --> 01:14:13,010
my lawn. So that's what, that's what they're for. There's

1072
01:14:13,031 --> 01:14:16,530
no one sitting there watching a video trying to see

1073
01:14:16,631 --> 01:14:19,650
where you go and where you don't go. Uh, but

1074
01:14:20,231 --> 01:14:24,130
certainly any type of technology can be misused. And so

1075
01:14:24,151 --> 01:14:27,570
the comments around making sure that we have the guardrails

1076
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:30,690
on that, that they, that the information supplied to them

1077
01:14:30,871 --> 01:14:34,370
is not being misused. Uh, I would absolutely agree that

1078
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:36,450
we need to make sure the guardrails are on there.

1079
01:14:36,450 --> 01:14:38,850
But, uh, not that we would not necessarily use that

1080
01:14:38,890 --> 01:14:44,172
type of technology. That's it. Thank you. Council member Kadook.

1081
01:14:44,172 --> 01:14:46,972
Thank you mayor. And thank you all for spending the

1082
01:14:46,972 --> 01:14:49,692
evening here with us and coming to speak. We do

1083
01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:52,252
take notes. And I personally write them down, but I

1084
01:14:52,252 --> 01:14:55,372
also look things up while people are speaking. So I

1085
01:14:55,553 --> 01:14:57,612
wanted to address, we just did a whole charade before

1086
01:14:57,633 --> 01:15:00,092
this whole thing started about our council rules and not

1087
01:15:00,092 --> 01:15:02,332
allowing clapping. And in our council rules, it also says

1088
01:15:02,332 --> 01:15:04,732
that speakers must address the council as an entire body

1089
01:15:05,313 --> 01:15:08,252
rather than targeting or questioning individual members. And that was

1090
01:15:08,252 --> 01:15:10,492
not stopped. So if we're going to follow the council

1091
01:15:10,492 --> 01:15:15,630
rules needs to be to its entirety. Thank you. Councilmember

1092
01:15:15,651 --> 01:15:21,272
Lehman. To all of you, thank you for making your

1093
01:15:21,373 --> 01:15:25,112
comments, but to all of you, that seemed to feel

1094
01:15:25,152 --> 01:15:28,152
I need to resign. You have no idea what I

1095
01:15:28,152 --> 01:15:32,935
do. I do my research. I check everything out. Before

1096
01:15:32,975 --> 01:15:37,643
I make a decision. I followed through with emails constantly.

1097
01:15:38,841 --> 01:15:43,700
And to be singled out the way you felt you

1098
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:48,751
could tonight, little unfair. When you walked a mile in

1099
01:15:48,751 --> 01:15:52,532
my shoes, talked to me about it. Till then don't.

1100
01:15:52,572 --> 01:16:02,002
Thank you. Count. Mr. City Manager. Thank you Mayor. I

1101
01:16:02,042 --> 01:16:06,402
just want to do address with some points of information

1102
01:16:07,543 --> 01:16:11,602
comments about Bimini. And I'm going to use some examples

1103
01:16:11,642 --> 01:16:15,415
of what's in our budget. I had a very good

1104
01:16:15,596 --> 01:16:20,215
discussion with, um, Mr. Charles Crane and Councilwoman Kaduk after

1105
01:16:20,255 --> 01:16:25,575
he put out an analysis that was not, um, accurate

1106
01:16:26,716 --> 01:16:29,975
and kind of misdirected what I felt was a good

1107
01:16:30,156 --> 01:16:33,384
portion of our population. And in fact, at the end

1108
01:16:33,384 --> 01:16:38,214
of the meeting, uh, he, he agreed. That basically he

1109
01:16:38,254 --> 01:16:41,514
made some assumptions that were wrong. And, and then found

1110
01:16:41,514 --> 01:16:43,514
out that it wasn't even his tax money that was

1111
01:16:43,554 --> 01:16:45,994
going to it. And then came to a conclusion that

1112
01:16:46,095 --> 01:16:48,942
maybe he shouldn't even care. But let me give you,

1113
01:16:48,942 --> 01:16:51,848
let me give you some examples of, of what. The

1114
01:16:51,869 --> 01:16:54,448
issue is when, when somebody says, Oh, we're going to

1115
01:16:54,448 --> 01:16:59,958
spend a hundred million dollars at down in Bimini. In

1116
01:16:59,998 --> 01:17:05,638
our budget for the CRA, which is meant to do,

1117
01:17:05,638 --> 01:17:10,118
pay for redevelopment and funded by the business owners that

1118
01:17:10,139 --> 01:17:13,184
are down there. We have projects in there such as

1119
01:17:13,925 --> 01:17:18,945
CRA streetlight renovation. Now I know there's a, there's a

1120
01:17:18,966 --> 01:17:22,945
gentleman in the audience tonight who was constantly talking about

1121
01:17:23,286 --> 01:17:25,505
the lights on Cape Cole Parkway and how they needed

1122
01:17:25,526 --> 01:17:33,107
to be redone. The CRA paid for those. So those

1123
01:17:33,128 --> 01:17:37,267
nice new beautiful lights that went down there. Now under

1124
01:17:37,448 --> 01:17:41,107
the assumption that because we're asking a developer who's going

1125
01:17:41,107 --> 01:17:42,787
to be doing a project down there to do that

1126
01:17:42,968 --> 01:17:47,869
work for us. As part of their project. Well, which

1127
01:17:47,909 --> 01:17:50,269
project do you want me to assign all those CRA

1128
01:17:50,309 --> 01:17:58,202
streetlights to. None. We did it ourself. But when we

1129
01:17:58,303 --> 01:18:01,722
have a developer down there who wants to redevelop an

1130
01:18:01,722 --> 01:18:05,402
area of the CRA, we ask them to do things

1131
01:18:05,583 --> 01:18:08,042
for us so that at the time that they're doing

1132
01:18:08,463 --> 01:18:12,042
the development, we're not coming back and tearing up the

1133
01:18:12,063 --> 01:18:17,018
streets, tearing up the lights, tearing up the stormwater. So

1134
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:21,098
to just take projects that we would otherwise have to

1135
01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:25,818
do on ourself and say, where's going to be spending

1136
01:18:25,999 --> 01:18:30,538
those or giving those to them, it's not a fair

1137
01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:37,424
assignment of a project cost. To Bimini. So for example,

1138
01:18:37,424 --> 01:18:41,264
we also have stormwater. The stormwater system down there is

1139
01:18:41,445 --> 01:18:44,368
at end of life. I could go do it right

1140
01:18:44,368 --> 01:18:49,232
now. And waste the redevelopment agency's money. Because we'll replace

1141
01:18:49,272 --> 01:18:51,072
all the pipes and then they'll go in there and

1142
01:18:51,093 --> 01:18:55,489
tear them all up. Or I could tell the developer

1143
01:18:56,870 --> 01:19:00,289
while you're building this development, please fix our pipes while

1144
01:19:00,710 --> 01:19:04,049
you're tearing up the roads to do the utility connections

1145
01:19:04,150 --> 01:19:08,889
that you need to do. That's not an assignment of

1146
01:19:09,070 --> 01:19:12,729
project costs to that development. That's us working with the

1147
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:16,649
private sector. That is what good government does. We identify

1148
01:19:16,689 --> 01:19:19,405
the things that we need to do. We partner with

1149
01:19:19,586 --> 01:19:23,965
the developer and we put in the development agreement for

1150
01:19:24,146 --> 01:19:27,085
them to do it and us to pay it so

1151
01:19:27,085 --> 01:19:29,645
it gets done at the time that all the work

1152
01:19:29,685 --> 01:19:33,522
is being torn up. We've got trash compactors down in

1153
01:19:33,522 --> 01:19:38,402
the CRA. In the middle of Big Johns parking lot,

1154
01:19:38,402 --> 01:19:41,042
they're not compactors yet. They're just dumpsters. We have them

1155
01:19:41,143 --> 01:19:45,574
in club square. When we do those, they're going to

1156
01:19:45,574 --> 01:19:48,254
be completely for the business. They have nothing to do

1157
01:19:48,435 --> 01:19:51,774
with city government. It's for the businesses in the CRA.

1158
01:19:52,949 --> 01:19:56,208
When the CRA spends money to put in trash compactors

1159
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:58,848
to benefit them, whose business do you want me to

1160
01:19:58,848 --> 01:20:04,170
go around saying, well, this is the benefit you. Nobody,

1161
01:20:04,170 --> 01:20:07,750
because it's not an appropriate assignment of contract costs. And

1162
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:10,450
what we're trying to do to redevelopment the CRA. So

1163
01:20:10,511 --> 01:20:12,970
when you look at the term sheet that we put

1164
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:17,690
out for Bimini and you take all of the costs,

1165
01:20:17,690 --> 01:20:21,450
the projects for the road projects, for the light projects,

1166
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:24,010
for the stormwater. And you try to say that that

1167
01:20:24,031 --> 01:20:28,410
is the city giving that to the developer and we're

1168
01:20:28,450 --> 01:20:33,274
spending a hundred million dollars. That's really inappropriate because what

1169
01:20:33,295 --> 01:20:36,154
we're getting is projects done that we need to have

1170
01:20:36,175 --> 01:20:39,834
done by the developer who's going to work and partner

1171
01:20:39,834 --> 01:20:45,616
with the CRA. And then lastly, there was a statement,

1172
01:20:45,616 --> 01:20:46,816
I think it would honestly do think it was just

1173
01:20:47,237 --> 01:20:50,336
an error. Um, there's no, there has never been a

1174
01:20:50,376 --> 01:20:55,616
projection of any, um, concessionary at JC Park bringing in

1175
01:20:55,637 --> 01:21:02,476
500 million. I think that was a Freudian slip. So,

1176
01:21:02,476 --> 01:21:06,716
but what, what was always contemplated was, um, for that

1177
01:21:06,716 --> 01:21:09,756
to bring in revenue and to that would offset some

1178
01:21:09,796 --> 01:21:15,942
of the debt service costs. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

1179
01:21:15,982 --> 01:21:19,222
Let's move on from the, uh, to the next item,

1180
01:21:19,222 --> 01:21:24,326
which is the consent agenda, uh, which is 10A. I'll

1181
01:21:24,366 --> 01:21:27,686
open up the consent agenda. Apparently there's only one item

1182
01:21:27,787 --> 01:21:33,526
on here tonight. Resolution 220 - 26. Council member last

1183
01:21:33,566 --> 01:21:35,686
year. Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to pull this resolution

1184
01:21:36,107 --> 01:21:41,606
2026 because I want some clarification from our direct geofinance

1185
01:21:41,646 --> 01:21:44,646
crystal when we get to it. Thank you, Mayor. All

1186
01:21:44,646 --> 01:21:47,926
right. And since this is new, the item, you go

1187
01:21:47,926 --> 01:21:52,530
ahead, Council Member, last year. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you,

1188
01:21:52,631 --> 01:21:56,370
Crystal, for coming up. For the public's, the purpose of

1189
01:21:56,391 --> 01:21:59,630
explaining this publicly, because there seems to be a lot

1190
01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:03,650
of back and forth I'm seeing all over social media.

1191
01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:05,970
And I just want you to clarify this out loud

1192
01:22:05,991 --> 01:22:09,410
as to why, um, how this works in terms of

1193
01:22:09,831 --> 01:22:13,170
why we're determining this. And then, uh, where the money

1194
01:22:13,210 --> 01:22:20,481
comes from and goes to. This, we currently have a

1195
01:22:20,521 --> 01:22:24,241
contract with waste pro to provide hauling waste hauling services.

1196
01:22:24,241 --> 01:22:27,601
Um, at the beginning of that contract, there were fees

1197
01:22:27,601 --> 01:22:31,281
established. But what was also built in was an annual

1198
01:22:31,382 --> 01:22:35,761
CPI adjustment to those commercial rates. And so section nine

1199
01:22:35,801 --> 01:22:40,481
of our city ordinance requires us to adopt those rates

1200
01:22:40,902 --> 01:22:44,801
before each October one, um, and so that that's exactly

1201
01:22:44,822 --> 01:22:48,401
what this resolution is doing. It's applying that, um, contractual

1202
01:22:48,502 --> 01:22:52,801
obligation of the CPI, um, to the rate and by

1203
01:22:52,841 --> 01:22:57,601
resolution, we're adopting those rates. Um, this is for commercial.

1204
01:22:58,263 --> 01:23:01,362
The city does not bill our administer the billing for

1205
01:23:01,463 --> 01:23:07,762
commercial properties. The commercial billing waste pro does that on

1206
01:23:07,802 --> 01:23:11,922
their own. We, what's different is for the residential rates,

1207
01:23:11,922 --> 01:23:15,262
which we'll go over later, um, on the agenda. And

1208
01:23:15,262 --> 01:23:20,722
once those are approved, the city through the tax bill,

1209
01:23:20,722 --> 01:23:23,282
uh, work with the tax collector to administer the billing

1210
01:23:23,303 --> 01:23:26,002
for the residential rate. So the residential side of that

1211
01:23:26,023 --> 01:23:29,842
contract is billed through the city by way of the

1212
01:23:30,023 --> 01:23:34,433
tax bill. Commercial rates are different. That's handled directly by

1213
01:23:34,934 --> 01:23:38,753
waste price. Waste pro. Okay. Um, so you're saying this

1214
01:23:38,854 --> 01:23:41,633
we have to, we've done this annually, I know. Um,

1215
01:23:41,633 --> 01:23:44,273
I just wanted to clarify it for the public sake.

1216
01:23:44,273 --> 01:23:47,153
So it's, let's say no different. Someone brought up the,

1217
01:23:47,174 --> 01:23:50,433
the water increase of 11 percent, which was approved by

1218
01:23:50,694 --> 01:23:53,073
council in 2023. And I know it's a three year

1219
01:23:53,654 --> 01:23:57,313
11 percent increase over three years. And to stop that,

1220
01:23:57,313 --> 01:23:59,713
it's no different than this to stop that. Then we

1221
01:23:59,734 --> 01:24:03,713
wouldn't be able to, um, continue with plan projects that

1222
01:24:04,214 --> 01:24:07,633
say, or in waste post case, you know, plan pickups

1223
01:24:07,734 --> 01:24:10,913
or plan service, if you will in the future if

1224
01:24:10,913 --> 01:24:13,793
we just stopped it, correct? Well, we don't receive any

1225
01:24:13,833 --> 01:24:17,393
funding from these rates. It's built by waste pro. They

1226
01:24:17,393 --> 01:24:21,313
collect the revenue. It's theirs. Okay. We're just contractually obligated

1227
01:24:21,334 --> 01:24:24,273
to apply that CPI each year. So that's really our

1228
01:24:24,294 --> 01:24:27,633
only involvement in the commercial side. Okay. Thank you. I

1229
01:24:27,654 --> 01:24:31,393
just want to clarify that. Thank you, Mayor. Kilms member

1230
01:24:31,814 --> 01:24:34,741
Kadu. Thank you, Mayor. We also had a speaker ask

1231
01:24:34,842 --> 01:24:37,701
a specific question. Does this money get included in the

1232
01:24:37,802 --> 01:24:43,734
franchise fee. It does not. Thank you. See, I know

1233
01:24:43,734 --> 01:24:46,534
other lights on. I'll entertain a motion. Merci and to

1234
01:24:46,534 --> 01:24:53,354
approve. All right. Motion in the second, uh, on the

1235
01:24:53,354 --> 01:24:58,546
floor. Mr. Citimanager. I just want, I think the question

1236
01:24:58,567 --> 01:25:01,296
was asked wrong. I think you said, does it get

1237
01:25:01,397 --> 01:25:04,496
included in the franchise fee? I think the question you

1238
01:25:04,536 --> 01:25:08,408
wanted to ask, does this generate a franchise fee. Right.

1239
01:25:08,408 --> 01:25:11,448
So the franchise fee is, is just a payment that

1240
01:25:11,488 --> 01:25:15,208
we receive from the WACEPRO. It could be a combination

1241
01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:18,888
of whatever revenue they collect across their business. Um, it's

1242
01:25:18,909 --> 01:25:24,248
not directly correlated to, um, well, it is. Um, but

1243
01:25:24,269 --> 01:25:27,208
we don't receive, it's not a one for one directly

1244
01:25:27,208 --> 01:25:31,048
from the rates. It's a separate calculation based off of

1245
01:25:31,048 --> 01:25:35,849
those rates that are intake. Okay. We have motion second

1246
01:25:35,950 --> 01:25:38,169
on the floor. Madam said, you clerk, please call roll.

1247
01:25:39,537 --> 01:25:45,679
Kill rain. Aye. Lastro. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long? No. Steinky?

1248
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:52,425
Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? No. Six eyes, two

1249
01:25:52,425 --> 01:25:56,713
nays motion carried. All right. We'll move on to, uh,

1250
01:25:58,034 --> 01:26:01,213
the next item on agenda is appointments to boards and

1251
01:26:01,253 --> 01:26:03,693
committees. We do not have any item 10 C as

1252
01:26:03,733 --> 01:26:07,613
unfinished business. C1 is follow up items for council. Nonlisted

1253
01:26:07,714 --> 01:26:12,093
follow up items for city management. None listed. Uh, item

1254
01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:16,733
11's ordinances and resolutions 11a public hearing for quasi judicial

1255
01:26:16,754 --> 01:26:19,773
hearings. We have none the night. 11B is the legislative.

1256
01:26:20,854 --> 01:26:25,633
Public hearings first of which is resolution 235 - 26,

1257
01:26:25,633 --> 01:26:30,433
Madam City clerk. Please read title. Resolution 235 - 26.

1258
01:26:30,433 --> 01:26:32,753
A resolution of the mayor and city council of the

1259
01:26:32,753 --> 01:26:35,873
city of Cape Coral, Florida. Certifying the results of the

1260
01:26:36,054 --> 01:26:41,393
primary election held on August 18, 2026, providing certificate of

1261
01:26:41,494 --> 01:26:45,233
official returns from the League County Supervisor of Elections, providing

1262
01:26:45,254 --> 01:26:48,865
for an effective date. Okay, I'll turn it over to

1263
01:26:48,905 --> 01:26:56,126
staff. It really is just a matter of a resolution

1264
01:26:56,227 --> 01:27:01,151
of you approving it. It'd like funct three. Okay. All

1265
01:27:01,151 --> 01:27:03,631
right. I'll open up public hearing anyone wishing to speak

1266
01:27:03,631 --> 01:27:10,796
on resolution 235 - 26. Please come forward. 221 -

1267
01:27:11,057 --> 01:27:15,596
26. 235 - 26. It's the first one under legislative

1268
01:27:15,857 --> 01:27:23,670
hearings. All right. Seeing none. Public input is now closed.

1269
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:35,565
Is there. A motion to approve resolution 23526. Is there

1270
01:27:35,565 --> 01:27:42,351
a second. Any council discussion. Seeing none, Council Member Kaduk.

1271
01:27:42,351 --> 01:27:45,697
Thank you, Mayor. I understand that this is procedural. Can

1272
01:27:45,697 --> 01:27:48,277
you please just explain exactly how this ended up on

1273
01:27:48,317 --> 01:27:54,002
our agenda and why. If we don't approve it, what

1274
01:27:54,002 --> 01:27:57,122
happens? You have to approve it. There is no option.

1275
01:27:57,122 --> 01:28:05,931
Exactly. Thank you. All right. Madam City clerk call. Kill

1276
01:28:05,952 --> 01:28:15,182
rain. Aye. Lastra. Hi. Lehman. Long. Stein king. Aye. Donnell.

1277
01:28:15,222 --> 01:28:19,809
Aye. Center. Aye. Paduk? Aye. Eight eyes motion carry. Okay,

1278
01:28:19,849 --> 01:28:23,329
moving on to resolution 236 - 26, Madam City clerk.

1279
01:28:23,329 --> 01:28:29,651
Pleasayed title. Resolution 236 - 26. A resolution of the

1280
01:28:29,672 --> 01:28:32,371
mayor and city council of the city of Cape Coral,

1281
01:28:32,371 --> 01:28:35,651
Florida, calling for a general election. For the city of

1282
01:28:35,691 --> 01:28:39,331
Cape Coral, Florida, providing for a general election for mayor

1283
01:28:39,672 --> 01:28:43,277
and council member in districts one, four, and six. Providing

1284
01:28:43,317 --> 01:28:49,362
for an effective bait. Okay, just the same thing, Mr.

1285
01:28:49,543 --> 01:28:52,402
City attorney. Just kind of a formality that we do.

1286
01:28:52,747 --> 01:28:56,006
Okay. All right. I'll open up public input for resolution

1287
01:28:56,347 --> 01:28:59,446
236 - 26. People want to speak, please come forward.

1288
01:29:02,307 --> 01:29:04,746
Say a non - public input is now closed. Now

1289
01:29:04,746 --> 01:29:08,366
entertain a motion regarding resolution 236. Motion to approve 236

1290
01:29:08,387 --> 01:29:14,361
- 26. Any council discussion. See, a non - Madam

1291
01:29:14,401 --> 01:29:18,104
City clerk, please call the role. Kill rain. Aye. Lastra?

1292
01:29:18,104 --> 01:29:24,421
Aye. Lehman. Long. Aye. Stein key. Aye. Donnell? Aye. Center?

1293
01:29:24,442 --> 01:29:30,541
Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Eight eyes motion carried. Mr. Council Member

1294
01:29:30,642 --> 01:29:33,613
Donna. Yeah, I am. That is past. I am kind

1295
01:29:33,613 --> 01:29:37,049
of curious though. Because stranger things have been happening in

1296
01:29:37,049 --> 01:29:42,283
our society. What does happen if a council decides to

1297
01:29:42,784 --> 01:29:47,626
Mr. City attorney not to approve those. You'd probably force

1298
01:29:47,666 --> 01:29:50,106
a loss. You'd be fouling against the city, mandating that

1299
01:29:50,847 --> 01:29:53,946
we being joined from denying it enforcing us to be

1300
01:29:53,986 --> 01:29:57,478
brought back for you formerly to act. So that's why

1301
01:29:57,499 --> 01:30:00,198
I said it's perfunctory. You're essentially required to do it

1302
01:30:00,238 --> 01:30:04,591
under our charter. And Florida law. So you'd be starting

1303
01:30:04,612 --> 01:30:09,551
the next meeting with another reconsideration boat. And one after

1304
01:30:09,591 --> 01:30:14,987
that. Thank you. That's all. Appreciate it. All right, let's

1305
01:30:14,987 --> 01:30:19,603
move on to. Oh, I'm sorry. Council member stanky. Thank

1306
01:30:19,603 --> 01:30:25,923
you, Mayor. Is there a requirement that we ratify the

1307
01:30:26,104 --> 01:30:33,345
charter amendments. It's all part of what was required and

1308
01:30:33,366 --> 01:30:36,625
what was presented to us by the leaked county supervisor

1309
01:30:36,646 --> 01:30:42,671
of elections. And it's in there, too. Yeah. It is

1310
01:30:42,692 --> 01:30:44,991
on there as well. It is important. Yeah, it's important.

1311
01:30:45,627 --> 01:30:49,686
Yeah. What page is it? Two of resolution 235. Page

1312
01:30:49,686 --> 01:30:55,086
two, it's on there as well. Okay, thank you. Okay,

1313
01:30:55,086 --> 01:30:58,526
move on to resolution 221 - 26. Madam City clerk,

1314
01:30:58,526 --> 01:31:04,685
please. Read the title. Resolution 221 - 26. A resolution

1315
01:31:04,786 --> 01:31:07,005
of the mayor in city council of the city of

1316
01:31:07,106 --> 01:31:11,245
Cape Coral, Florida, relating to the imposition of stormwater user

1317
01:31:11,245 --> 01:31:14,285
fees, establishing the amount of the user fee for the

1318
01:31:14,386 --> 01:31:19,485
fiscal year beginning October 1st, 2026, imposing user fees against

1319
01:31:19,586 --> 01:31:23,645
property within the city to fund the city's stormwater program,

1320
01:31:23,645 --> 01:31:27,885
authorizing the collection of delinquent stormwater charges, approving the stormwater

1321
01:31:27,885 --> 01:31:32,447
user fee role and providing for an effective date. Okay,

1322
01:31:32,447 --> 01:31:35,633
thank you. I turned over to staff. Thank you. Good

1323
01:31:35,654 --> 01:31:40,633
afternoon, Crystal Feast Financial Services Director. So each year, as

1324
01:31:40,633 --> 01:31:42,833
you know, the city brings forward a number of assessments

1325
01:31:43,414 --> 01:31:47,393
for your review and approval. There was a initial public

1326
01:31:47,494 --> 01:31:52,513
hearing held in July on July 22nd that, um, established

1327
01:31:52,774 --> 01:31:56,243
a not to exceed rate. To be used as notification

1328
01:31:56,243 --> 01:32:01,283
to the affected property owners. So the hearings that you

1329
01:32:01,323 --> 01:32:04,803
will have tonight, um, are considered the final public hearings

1330
01:32:04,904 --> 01:32:08,623
to establish the rate for the next fiscal year. Um,

1331
01:32:08,623 --> 01:32:11,123
so we have several presentations to go over at least

1332
01:32:11,123 --> 01:32:15,093
I do. And we'll start with stormwater. To set the

1333
01:32:15,093 --> 01:32:23,142
stage. All right. So chapter 22 of the city code

1334
01:32:23,142 --> 01:32:26,562
of ordinances requires the city to review and establish, um,

1335
01:32:26,843 --> 01:32:28,962
its stormwater user fee each year as part of the

1336
01:32:28,962 --> 01:32:33,062
annual budget process, the introductory resolution was approved on July

1337
01:32:33,483 --> 01:32:37,862
22nd, authorizing the city, um, to notice assess property owners

1338
01:32:37,902 --> 01:32:41,222
of the rate that was established at that time. Notices

1339
01:32:41,243 --> 01:32:44,982
were appropriately sent out first week of August and we're

1340
01:32:44,982 --> 01:32:49,387
before you tonight to present the final resolution. The stormwater

1341
01:32:49,387 --> 01:32:52,827
program supports both daily operational needs and long - term

1342
01:32:52,848 --> 01:32:59,387
infrastructure investments on the operations side funding support regretting drainage

1343
01:32:59,648 --> 01:33:04,827
pipe management and replacement canal maintenance and street sweeping to

1344
01:33:04,867 --> 01:33:09,787
name a few. The program also advances priority projects such

1345
01:33:09,787 --> 01:33:15,009
as drainage and flood prevention and water quality. Projects. Uh,

1346
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:19,349
this includes continuing both freshwater and salt water canal drainage

1347
01:33:19,389 --> 01:33:26,696
programs to preserve during drainage conveyance and functionality. For fiscal

1348
01:33:26,736 --> 01:33:31,016
year 27 programmed funding includes, uh, 1. 8 million for

1349
01:33:31,056 --> 01:33:36,616
environmental in water quality, uh, projects. 500, 000 for flood

1350
01:33:36,616 --> 01:33:41,256
prevention, 1. 7 million for drainage improvements. And an additional

1351
01:33:41,277 --> 01:33:46,536
operational capacity through one heavy equipment operator, one service worker

1352
01:33:46,717 --> 01:33:52,900
three and a dedicated swell crew. Additionally, the proposed program

1353
01:33:53,081 --> 01:33:57,220
includes 3. 3 million for we are improvements 7. 7

1354
01:33:57,241 --> 01:34:02,820
million for trafalgar drainage improvements, 2. 6 million for catch

1355
01:34:02,820 --> 01:34:06,340
base and replacement and one million dollars for the rotary

1356
01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:12,283
park stormwater system retrofit. And fiscal year 23, we conducted

1357
01:34:12,304 --> 01:34:16,683
a comprehensive stormwater rate study setting the framework, um, for

1358
01:34:16,723 --> 01:34:21,243
the rates from fiscal year 24 through fiscal year 2033.

1359
01:34:22,247 --> 01:34:25,266
Uh, so based on that study and to support the

1360
01:34:25,266 --> 01:34:30,066
current level of services and capital investments were proposing a

1361
01:34:30,087 --> 01:34:34,066
rate of 163 dollars per ERU for next fiscal year.

1362
01:34:37,596 --> 01:34:41,975
So this slide compares Cape Coral's annual stormwater fee with

1363
01:34:42,015 --> 01:34:46,535
other Florida municipalities across the state, at the proposed rate

1364
01:34:46,556 --> 01:34:51,895
of 163. You'll see that Cape Coral remains, um, below

1365
01:34:51,916 --> 01:34:56,535
several comparable communities, including Naples for Otterdale and Tampa to

1366
01:34:56,535 --> 01:34:59,973
name a few. Each municipality may use a different methodology

1367
01:35:00,634 --> 01:35:07,413
such as ERU's versus ESUs. But so this is just

1368
01:35:07,434 --> 01:35:11,213
a general context rather than a direct one - to

1369
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:13,333
- one comparison, but it just provides you some general

1370
01:35:13,434 --> 01:35:18,541
context to where we land. This slide provides a comparison

1371
01:35:18,642 --> 01:35:23,101
of stormwater revenue. So looking at fiscal year 26 budgeted

1372
01:35:23,362 --> 01:35:27,261
versus collected, you'll see that we've, um, almost all have

1373
01:35:27,261 --> 01:35:30,621
been collected. And when you compare 26 to what's being

1374
01:35:30,661 --> 01:35:34,701
proposed for what will be included in the fiscal year

1375
01:35:35,122 --> 01:35:41,278
27's budget, uh, the about a million dollars. All right.

1376
01:35:41,318 --> 01:35:43,678
And so with that, I asked for your approval of

1377
01:35:43,718 --> 01:35:47,290
the resolution before you. Thank you. I know public hearing

1378
01:35:47,311 --> 01:35:51,050
anyone wishing to speak on resolution 221 - 26. Please

1379
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:57,255
come forward. Please remember to state your name. Yours. To

1380
01:35:57,255 --> 01:36:00,163
live northeast King. Carl. As I stated, we were just.

1381
01:36:00,543 --> 01:36:06,150
Finished. With the. UEP. By street floods. So let's stormwater

1382
01:36:06,150 --> 01:36:10,310
damage, are we preventing? I don't know. Um, there was

1383
01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:12,550
a main break on Santa Barbara. I was in the

1384
01:36:12,571 --> 01:36:16,121
shower at home. And I had to washing machine going.

1385
01:36:16,121 --> 01:36:19,593
My toilet was bloop blooping. They just put in that

1386
01:36:19,633 --> 01:36:22,393
water main. How does that back up already? My neighbor

1387
01:36:22,433 --> 01:36:26,873
had to have another meter installed and my toilet's blooping.

1388
01:36:26,873 --> 01:36:28,633
What the heck is going on? So I know they

1389
01:36:28,633 --> 01:36:31,686
had to pressurize the line. That shouldn't be happening. If

1390
01:36:31,686 --> 01:36:33,886
you're just putting in pipes, what's going on at these

1391
01:36:33,926 --> 01:36:36,956
pipes are breaking on Santa Barbara. And we just went

1392
01:36:36,977 --> 01:36:42,883
under, we're done in UEP one north. And I, I,

1393
01:36:42,923 --> 01:36:45,763
I paid 46 grand. I'm on a three lot sight.

1394
01:36:45,803 --> 01:36:47,843
I paid it. So I wouldn't have to pay 8,

1395
01:36:47,843 --> 01:36:50,003
000 dollars in taxes. Some people don't have that kind

1396
01:36:50,003 --> 01:36:52,483
of money to pay that. But what the heck is

1397
01:36:52,523 --> 01:36:56,383
going on with the contractors here. Why is this, why

1398
01:36:56,383 --> 01:36:58,123
is our street still flooding? That's what I want to

1399
01:36:58,123 --> 01:37:03,182
know. When we had sewer city, uh, not cities or

1400
01:37:03,283 --> 01:37:05,742
when we had well in septic, it was draining fine.

1401
01:37:05,742 --> 01:37:07,982
Now that we have cities sewer and water, I had

1402
01:37:08,022 --> 01:37:11,342
water up to where my bleaching field was. It's not

1403
01:37:11,603 --> 01:37:15,959
draining. Something is wrong here. I know Denko handled the

1404
01:37:15,980 --> 01:37:18,519
contract because I was here when they were initiating the

1405
01:37:18,559 --> 01:37:21,319
UEP one. But something's wrong. If the street is not

1406
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:26,039
draining and nowhere we already have pipes busting, something is

1407
01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:30,436
wrong. I don't understand. I really don't understand. And then

1408
01:37:30,476 --> 01:37:33,236
you want to increase fees, increase fees. Like I said,

1409
01:37:33,276 --> 01:37:35,956
the governor's cut in the fat. You guys are 35

1410
01:37:35,977 --> 01:37:39,476
million already proposing in the hole for your new fiscal

1411
01:37:39,516 --> 01:37:45,892
year. I get it. The county commissioners, you know, they've

1412
01:37:45,932 --> 01:37:48,452
put in their budget already. Some people have flatlined their

1413
01:37:48,492 --> 01:37:51,172
budget. But now you're, you guys are asking for more

1414
01:37:51,193 --> 01:37:53,972
and more and more of our citizens. I mean, how

1415
01:37:53,972 --> 01:37:56,292
much more do you want to take from us? There's

1416
01:37:56,473 --> 01:38:00,212
15 homes sitting on northeast 15th Street. Cut the darn

1417
01:38:00,393 --> 01:38:03,552
in for structure. I told you guys back then. The

1418
01:38:03,552 --> 01:38:05,892
other commissioner that used to be here. I told him.

1419
01:38:05,892 --> 01:38:09,492
Why are you still building when these people are going

1420
01:38:09,492 --> 01:38:11,572
to have to pay for cities or in water? Those

1421
01:38:11,593 --> 01:38:18,050
houses are sitting empty. Empty. I just don't understand. You're

1422
01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:20,050
forcing people out of the area. I just looked at

1423
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:23,970
the church. Tallahassee and Jacksonville pays less than Cape Coral.

1424
01:38:23,970 --> 01:38:27,010
That's the damn capital. What is going on here? I

1425
01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:29,410
looked at some of you guys'salary. Are you kidding me?

1426
01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:33,066
You make more than the fricking president? Come on. Are

1427
01:38:33,167 --> 01:38:36,426
you kidding me? That's why I said we don't need

1428
01:38:36,847 --> 01:38:40,678
eight people on the city council here. County commission has

1429
01:38:40,718 --> 01:38:43,078
what four or five? I worked, like I said, I

1430
01:38:43,099 --> 01:38:46,118
worked for them for 35 years. And thank you Jennifer.

1431
01:38:46,118 --> 01:38:48,918
You sat with us on certain committees. I really appreciate

1432
01:38:49,339 --> 01:38:51,958
your input. And I know you from working on different

1433
01:38:51,979 --> 01:38:55,776
committees. But come on. You guys got to wake up.

1434
01:39:03,701 --> 01:39:05,640
Well, West Owen and I want to start, before I

1435
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,880
start, my prepared or marks tonight. I want to speak

1436
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,320
on the city presentation and another amateur's presentation from the

1437
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,280
city. Not one single metric. It's just give me more

1438
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,600
money. There's nothing in there about what they've done with

1439
01:39:17,621 --> 01:39:21,062
the money you've given them before. There's nothing about metrics.

1440
01:39:21,062 --> 01:39:22,742
If you go back in, you look at their metrics

1441
01:39:22,843 --> 01:39:26,502
from 2019 to today. There's only two metrics that they

1442
01:39:26,502 --> 01:39:29,493
put in there. How many miles? A swale they've done

1443
01:39:29,514 --> 01:39:32,853
and how many canals they've dredged. Both of those are

1444
01:39:32,893 --> 01:39:36,053
below 2019 levels despite all the money you've given them.

1445
01:39:36,742 --> 01:39:40,061
They're doing less today than they were in 2019. And

1446
01:39:40,061 --> 01:39:44,573
you want to give them more money yet. Okay. So

1447
01:39:44,994 --> 01:39:47,773
Cape Carl is proposing another increase in the stormwater fee

1448
01:39:47,813 --> 01:39:52,788
under resolution 221 - 26. The fee would rise from

1449
01:39:53,049 --> 01:39:56,868
156 to 136 per ERU for 2027, a five percent

1450
01:39:56,908 --> 01:40:06,622
increase. That is a five years, including 15th percent just

1451
01:40:06,622 --> 01:40:12,197
last year. Stormwater infrastructure is important. Drainage flood prevention and

1452
01:40:12,197 --> 01:40:14,979
water quality. It'll have to be funded. But before council

1453
01:40:15,019 --> 01:40:18,019
raises this fee again, this city should prove it has

1454
01:40:18,059 --> 01:40:21,779
done everything reasonably possible to improve inefficiency and control costs.

1455
01:40:24,225 --> 01:40:27,084
Taxpayer should not be asked to absorb increase after increase

1456
01:40:27,345 --> 01:40:31,422
simply because raising the fee is the easiest option. Before

1457
01:40:31,843 --> 01:40:36,622
approving resolution 221 - 26, show us the efficiency, show

1458
01:40:36,622 --> 01:40:39,502
us the cost control, show us the metrics that you've

1459
01:40:39,502 --> 01:40:43,918
done your job. Then justify another increase. Because every taxpayer

1460
01:40:44,019 --> 01:40:53,617
matters in the city. Please no applause. Oh.

1461
01:40:54,686 --> 01:40:59,011
Go ahead. Good afternoon. Uh, this is my first time

1462
01:41:00,152 --> 01:41:03,731
in this kind of, uh, event council. So, uh, excuse

1463
01:41:03,771 --> 01:41:07,491
me if I'm a little nervous today. Um, a year

1464
01:41:07,491 --> 01:41:10,691
ago I moved from Miami to keep coral, uh, because

1465
01:41:10,712 --> 01:41:13,491
I couldn't afford a property over there. Um, so I

1466
01:41:13,531 --> 01:41:19,171
moved to Cape Coral. It's more affordable here. Uh, yo,

1467
01:41:19,171 --> 01:41:23,902
Andy. And now you receive this letter with this assessments

1468
01:41:24,323 --> 01:41:26,622
where we, I believe, who have to pay out of

1469
01:41:26,643 --> 01:41:29,582
bucket for all of these assessments that I do not

1470
01:41:29,622 --> 01:41:31,822
agree that we should be paying for those. We already

1471
01:41:31,923 --> 01:41:36,542
paying off taxes, uh, personally, um, I live in patient

1472
01:41:36,563 --> 01:41:39,822
by paycheck. And I'm pretty sure most of the people

1473
01:41:39,822 --> 01:41:45,582
here are living under the same circumstances. So again, I

1474
01:41:45,622 --> 01:41:48,062
do not agree with, with these assessments. I don't think

1475
01:41:48,083 --> 01:41:51,962
we should be paying out of pockets for this. And

1476
01:41:51,962 --> 01:41:54,622
I do have a couple of follow questions. First of

1477
01:41:54,622 --> 01:41:59,662
all, I'm assuming that this will come out of our

1478
01:41:59,683 --> 01:42:03,422
own pocket. I would like confirmation of that. And if

1479
01:42:03,462 --> 01:42:07,182
I do not agree on paying this, are the implications

1480
01:42:07,203 --> 01:42:12,782
that I will, I will personally receive, uh, if I,

1481
01:42:12,782 --> 01:42:17,342
uh, do not agree to pay this again, um, this

1482
01:42:17,363 --> 01:42:23,022
is unjust, unfair. We already pay enough taxes. And I

1483
01:42:23,043 --> 01:42:26,442
do believe that, uh, we, we, we should not, uh,

1484
01:42:27,043 --> 01:42:30,062
have to pay for this assessment. Thank you.

1485
01:42:40,939 --> 01:42:43,798
My name is Marie Kavanaugh. Take out the trash committee.

1486
01:42:44,249 --> 01:42:46,788
Um, these assessments, they just keep going up and up

1487
01:42:46,788 --> 01:42:47,988
and up and up and up and up and up.

1488
01:42:48,792 --> 01:42:52,771
Uh, do people seem to think we have unlimited funds

1489
01:42:52,952 --> 01:42:56,211
at our, at, at our fingertips many, many, many do

1490
01:42:56,232 --> 01:42:59,331
not. Oh, and I did make a mistake earlier. It

1491
01:42:59,371 --> 01:43:02,851
was 500, 000 dollars JC Park was supposed to bring

1492
01:43:02,891 --> 01:43:08,462
in, not 500 million. I misspoke there, obviously. But, you

1493
01:43:08,462 --> 01:43:10,482
know, I'm also looking ahead here. You know, you're doing

1494
01:43:10,482 --> 01:43:13,262
the same thing for the fire. I'd like an explanation

1495
01:43:13,283 --> 01:43:17,422
from somebody as to why Cape Coral, we have somewhere

1496
01:43:17,443 --> 01:43:20,782
in the vicinity of 300 firefighters. Ma'am, you have to

1497
01:43:20,782 --> 01:43:23,742
wait until that portion will be at that show. I

1498
01:43:23,742 --> 01:43:26,302
don't have time to wait. Oh, I'm sorry. This public

1499
01:43:26,483 --> 01:43:30,118
hearing you could only speak about stormwater fees. All right.

1500
01:43:30,619 --> 01:43:34,198
Storm orders, everything you're right raising up. I don't want

1501
01:43:34,219 --> 01:43:36,438
to pay more. And then if you don't pay, what

1502
01:43:36,478 --> 01:43:37,558
are you going to do? You're going to attach our

1503
01:43:37,558 --> 01:43:39,878
house and sell it to a developer. Is that the

1504
01:43:39,878 --> 01:43:46,605
plan. Come. On up, ma'am, if you want to speak.

1505
01:43:49,438 --> 01:43:51,177
Even in Kyle Lamadu. So I just have a quick

1506
01:43:51,278 --> 01:43:54,377
question. You guys project usually, what is it? 20 to

1507
01:43:54,398 --> 01:43:56,217
50 years in the future, depending on what you're talking

1508
01:43:56,257 --> 01:43:59,817
about. So now we're increasing again, fees again. Can you

1509
01:43:59,817 --> 01:44:02,857
guys actually start to estimate what our taxes are going

1510
01:44:02,857 --> 01:44:04,777
to be on these things in 20 to 30 years?

1511
01:44:04,777 --> 01:44:06,617
I think that would be great for the citizens to

1512
01:44:06,657 --> 01:44:08,217
know because, you know, I think a lot of people

1513
01:44:08,638 --> 01:44:10,497
want to retire here. And if they're not going to

1514
01:44:10,497 --> 01:44:12,857
be able to afford to retire here, they might want

1515
01:44:12,857 --> 01:44:13,977
to sell and get out now. So I think that

1516
01:44:14,017 --> 01:44:15,977
would be great if you could predict that. Thank you.

1517
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:22,851
Good evening. My name is Monica. I moved here. About

1518
01:44:23,112 --> 01:44:28,260
two years ago. I lived in Miami, Pembroke Pines, then

1519
01:44:28,260 --> 01:44:30,980
to in bonita. And then I moved here. My husband

1520
01:44:31,001 --> 01:44:34,119
and I retired. We have a set income. And I

1521
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:38,759
thought I moved in a place where, you know, it's

1522
01:44:38,799 --> 01:44:44,039
a lot less taxes and, you know, it's better for

1523
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:50,371
retired. But unfortunately I got smacked in the face. It's

1524
01:44:50,371 --> 01:44:54,878
incredible how much my taxes have been going up. They

1525
01:44:54,918 --> 01:44:57,198
lower the tax rate and then they hit you with

1526
01:44:57,219 --> 01:45:01,118
assessment. So they take the tax rate when like one

1527
01:45:01,118 --> 01:45:03,678
point down. And then they hit you with assessments. I

1528
01:45:03,718 --> 01:45:08,078
don't understand why that's happening. I mean, as a retired

1529
01:45:08,259 --> 01:45:11,318
person, I worked all my life as a teacher. I

1530
01:45:11,318 --> 01:45:15,838
did some site real estate. But this is, to me,

1531
01:45:17,139 --> 01:45:19,518
it's, I don't understand it. And then we are all

1532
01:45:19,619 --> 01:45:24,878
here talking and asking you for, for help to do

1533
01:45:24,918 --> 01:45:28,158
something about it. But you guys don't listen. You just

1534
01:45:28,198 --> 01:45:32,318
vote yes on everything. Everything against the citizens. It's not

1535
01:45:32,419 --> 01:45:40,284
fair. I moved here. To be a citizen friendly

1536
01:45:42,145 --> 01:45:49,222
senior friendly community. And it's really disappointing. It's really, and

1537
01:45:49,262 --> 01:45:52,502
my husband and I are really ready to sell and

1538
01:45:52,542 --> 01:45:55,219
move somewhere else. Because we don't get the help. We

1539
01:45:55,219 --> 01:45:58,219
want here in this community. Everything, I mean, I live

1540
01:45:58,259 --> 01:46:01,579
in burn store and everything is on hold. Every time

1541
01:46:01,579 --> 01:46:06,176
I see a project going on, it's on hold. That

1542
01:46:06,197 --> 01:46:11,456
seven islanding or eight islanding never happened that could you,

1543
01:46:11,456 --> 01:46:14,656
that by burnstore marina, it's on hold. And I don't

1544
01:46:14,656 --> 01:46:18,176
know why there's, everything is, it's a mess. People just

1545
01:46:18,176 --> 01:46:21,845
don't follow the rules here. And I'm just very disappointed.

1546
01:46:21,845 --> 01:46:28,761
Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak on ordinance 221

1547
01:46:29,182 --> 01:46:35,717
- 26. Seeing none, public hearings now closed. I'll entertain

1548
01:46:35,738 --> 01:46:38,997
a motion regarding resolution 221. I'm going to approve 221

1549
01:46:39,098 --> 01:46:45,418
- 26. Second. Council member down now. Thank you, Mayor.

1550
01:46:47,521 --> 01:46:51,105
Ms. Feast. Would you mind putting slide number six back

1551
01:46:51,145 --> 01:47:00,379
up. I'll continue on this side. I'm still searching to

1552
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:05,718
try to bridge the gap. With the things I continue

1553
01:47:05,758 --> 01:47:08,358
to hear that you guys are not listening. You're guys

1554
01:47:08,459 --> 01:47:11,334
not listening. I've asked the question. Time and time again,

1555
01:47:11,334 --> 01:47:15,341
but no one has given me an answer. How do

1556
01:47:15,762 --> 01:47:21,499
you ascertain that we're listening. If we hear you, but

1557
01:47:21,620 --> 01:47:25,109
we're not doing what you say. The only conclusion I

1558
01:47:25,149 --> 01:47:29,180
can come to. Is that listening is equivalent to doing

1559
01:47:29,281 --> 01:47:33,026
what you say or agreeing with your approach. In this

1560
01:47:33,026 --> 01:47:36,146
particular case, I don't know how else to articulate to

1561
01:47:36,186 --> 01:47:38,823
you. This is a visual. There was a comment made

1562
01:47:38,924 --> 01:47:42,823
about not understanding. And what to look at, and it

1563
01:47:42,823 --> 01:47:44,583
made sense to me, you know, what you seek is

1564
01:47:44,623 --> 01:47:46,263
what you find. It's one of my tenants I say

1565
01:47:46,524 --> 01:47:49,783
around. But the attention was brought to the lower half.

1566
01:47:50,892 --> 01:47:53,751
But I stand you to look at the totality of

1567
01:47:53,751 --> 01:47:58,859
it. And then more importantly, months ago, for if you're

1568
01:47:58,859 --> 01:48:00,859
new here, if you have your, you see me on

1569
01:48:00,859 --> 01:48:03,499
this iPad a lot, try not to do it when

1570
01:48:03,539 --> 01:48:05,179
you're speaking, but if you say something, I know I

1571
01:48:05,219 --> 01:48:08,633
go here. The steps are really simple. If you go

1572
01:48:08,654 --> 01:48:12,233
into our website right now, if you're sitting there, fact

1573
01:48:12,334 --> 01:48:16,633
check. You go in there under government, select your property

1574
01:48:16,734 --> 01:48:20,873
taxes and then click the one that says comparable cities.

1575
01:48:22,238 --> 01:48:25,155
And look at the data. I'm a fish out of

1576
01:48:25,155 --> 01:48:29,254
water. I'm not an emotional person. I'm about data. And

1577
01:48:29,275 --> 01:48:31,254
know the data has not been, if you come from

1578
01:48:31,254 --> 01:48:34,134
the countwell, it's been just manipulated. I'm going to fish

1579
01:48:34,174 --> 01:48:36,614
out of water, but you can go ahead and research

1580
01:48:36,654 --> 01:48:39,385
it for yourself. What point am I trying to make

1581
01:48:39,425 --> 01:48:43,285
in conclusion? And I'm still lost. Cape Coral, we are

1582
01:48:43,285 --> 01:48:48,730
a growing city. Anybody who's been here anytime, if you've

1583
01:48:48,730 --> 01:48:50,890
been here five years, the more people in the city

1584
01:48:52,031 --> 01:48:54,943
now than it was when you got here. So that

1585
01:48:54,983 --> 01:49:00,223
means everything is increasing. There's more demand for police. There's

1586
01:49:00,223 --> 01:49:05,447
more demand for water. There's more demand. Everything outside the

1587
01:49:05,447 --> 01:49:07,287
city, I don't know about you, but every time I

1588
01:49:07,327 --> 01:49:10,407
go to the store, cause every pen accounts, everything is

1589
01:49:10,447 --> 01:49:16,240
going up. But yet I hear constantly while everything is

1590
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:21,760
going up. You guys want us to cut even more.

1591
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,320
And those cats that take a beating. Trust me, I

1592
01:49:24,581 --> 01:49:26,800
wear them out. I know the council people wear them

1593
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,680
out doing the best we can to get as low

1594
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,760
as we can in a capacity now where everything is

1595
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:38,299
going up. That confuses a person like me. So in

1596
01:49:38,299 --> 01:49:42,306
conclusion, can we get better? Yes. But when you compare

1597
01:49:42,487 --> 01:49:45,346
what we're doing here, what they're doing, what the counselors

1598
01:49:45,346 --> 01:49:47,186
doing and it's right there for you to look on

1599
01:49:47,226 --> 01:49:51,106
this screen and you can put your property in. I'm

1600
01:49:51,106 --> 01:49:54,599
still confused. So yes, I'm the one out there that's

1601
01:49:54,599 --> 01:49:56,977
saying, look folks, I get it. Yes. I want to

1602
01:49:56,977 --> 01:49:58,897
go ma'am. Yes. We want it. Lord. I have two

1603
01:49:58,897 --> 01:50:02,645
kids. And I get it. But we're still growing and

1604
01:50:02,685 --> 01:50:04,805
we want to contain. We want to make sure that

1605
01:50:04,845 --> 01:50:07,005
we protect the city. I love this. Save. This is

1606
01:50:07,005 --> 01:50:09,205
a great city. It's a safe city. But it's going

1607
01:50:09,205 --> 01:50:11,811
to cause to be here. And things are going to

1608
01:50:11,851 --> 01:50:15,970
go up. So maybe somebody can help me with that

1609
01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:19,699
listening point. And we are continuing. They are continuing work.

1610
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,539
I know they get beat down. But their job is

1611
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:24,179
12 hours, 14 hour of the day looking, looking, looking

1612
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:27,583
to get this more and more concise. So that's all

1613
01:50:27,583 --> 01:50:29,103
you're going to hear from me tonight. But yes, I

1614
01:50:29,143 --> 01:50:31,423
am going to be voting yes because I've worn them

1615
01:50:31,463 --> 01:50:34,303
out over the week about these prices. And I understand

1616
01:50:34,644 --> 01:50:38,509
the totality. So just don't think that, Oh, you just

1617
01:50:38,509 --> 01:50:42,296
say yes. It doesn't work that way. Thank you. That's

1618
01:50:42,336 --> 01:50:46,769
all. Council member Caduk. Thank you Mayor. Mr. City Manager,

1619
01:50:46,769 --> 01:50:51,688
what have we done with the money. It's a great

1620
01:50:51,688 --> 01:50:56,328
question. I love answering these. So the city keep coral,

1621
01:50:56,328 --> 01:50:58,888
as you know, is the largest canal system in the

1622
01:50:58,888 --> 01:51:01,965
world. And so when you think about the number of

1623
01:51:02,546 --> 01:51:08,025
catch basins outfalls pipes, uh, dredging programs and the, uh,

1624
01:51:08,066 --> 01:51:11,085
amount of swales that need to be regraded, there is

1625
01:51:11,125 --> 01:51:14,700
no city in the world. That has the amount of

1626
01:51:14,881 --> 01:51:19,580
stormwater assets that we have to have, uh, comparatively. Port

1627
01:51:19,620 --> 01:51:22,060
St. Lucie and Florida's close, but we have the more

1628
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:26,380
canals, which means more pipes, more drainage. And so, uh,

1629
01:51:26,961 --> 01:51:29,740
the money gets spent on all those programs. So if

1630
01:51:29,740 --> 01:51:33,100
you think about the street, uh, it starts at the

1631
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:35,580
edge of the pavement. So, um, a portion of the

1632
01:51:35,761 --> 01:51:40,129
stormwater money goes to swale regrating. Uh, I'm actually going

1633
01:51:40,129 --> 01:51:43,089
to read a high five highlight tonight about sweaty regretting

1634
01:51:43,129 --> 01:51:47,971
job. Um, so it starts there. Then you have catch

1635
01:51:48,011 --> 01:51:52,671
basins. Those are the concrete structures that the water, the

1636
01:51:52,671 --> 01:51:57,571
stormwater goes into. We have to repair, replace any damage

1637
01:51:59,352 --> 01:52:01,811
and maintain any that are old. Though all the ones

1638
01:52:01,811 --> 01:52:05,171
in the north are coming up on end of life.

1639
01:52:05,211 --> 01:52:07,328
60 plus years. And I don't mean to cut you

1640
01:52:07,368 --> 01:52:09,648
off, but isn't there a long wait list for the

1641
01:52:09,688 --> 01:52:14,368
replacement of these? Uh, so our longest wait list is

1642
01:52:14,469 --> 01:52:20,926
in the swale regrating. So as more properties get built,

1643
01:52:20,926 --> 01:52:24,206
so one resident talked about, uh, what we were doing

1644
01:52:24,547 --> 01:52:28,366
in the past. Well, as it's real easy to regrade

1645
01:52:28,387 --> 01:52:32,601
a swale when the homes there. Were just basically one

1646
01:52:32,641 --> 01:52:35,301
person complains, Hey, the lot next to me is, uh,

1647
01:52:35,582 --> 01:52:37,941
too high and it's causing me to back up. Our

1648
01:52:37,941 --> 01:52:39,961
crews can blow right through that from the high point

1649
01:52:39,982 --> 01:52:42,707
to low point very easily. As soon as you start

1650
01:52:42,728 --> 01:52:49,267
having multiple driveways of different elevations, ramp driveways, culvert driveways.

1651
01:52:49,267 --> 01:52:50,867
Now you have to have somebody go out there and

1652
01:52:50,888 --> 01:52:53,587
design the flow. You have to take surveys have to

1653
01:52:53,848 --> 01:52:57,567
put marks out there. It's a lot more involved. And

1654
01:52:57,567 --> 01:53:01,797
so what we're having is by not adding crews. But

1655
01:53:01,837 --> 01:53:05,397
adding the workload, the volume that those same crews need

1656
01:53:05,437 --> 01:53:08,077
to do, they're accomplishing less. So what we need to

1657
01:53:08,077 --> 01:53:11,391
do is add cruise to keep up. But let me

1658
01:53:11,391 --> 01:53:14,391
get back to, so yes, there is a long list

1659
01:53:14,431 --> 01:53:17,191
of swale regretting. And that's why we, when we said

1660
01:53:17,191 --> 01:53:19,831
about the last stormwater rate study, which is probably a

1661
01:53:19,831 --> 01:53:21,991
good thing for our residents to read to see why

1662
01:53:22,012 --> 01:53:25,671
we set the fee that we did and what those,

1663
01:53:25,671 --> 01:53:30,071
that feet increases doing. It's adding actual infrastructure maintenance crews

1664
01:53:30,111 --> 01:53:33,271
in the field. The worker, the workers that people see

1665
01:53:33,311 --> 01:53:36,590
in the front of their house. So we have the

1666
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:40,030
swale regretting. We have the cat span, the concrete. Then

1667
01:53:40,030 --> 01:53:42,510
from there, you have the conveyance system. The pipes that

1668
01:53:42,531 --> 01:53:46,270
connect either from there to the canal or to connect

1669
01:53:46,611 --> 01:53:49,390
across the street to another basin, to another basin and

1670
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:54,190
so forth, moving water, stormwater, underneath us all day long.

1671
01:53:55,266 --> 01:53:57,785
Then we have the canal, the outfalls, a lot of

1672
01:53:57,785 --> 01:54:01,065
silt in the breed gets, uh, deposited from, you know,

1673
01:54:01,266 --> 01:54:03,805
runoff in front of them. They clog up or they

1674
01:54:03,805 --> 01:54:08,205
start to silt in. We have an alfal maintenance program.

1675
01:54:08,205 --> 01:54:11,785
The grout around the outfalls through people seawalls fail. And

1676
01:54:11,785 --> 01:54:13,565
we need to make sure we continue to regroute that

1677
01:54:13,666 --> 01:54:17,325
so they don't lose soil behind their seawall. Then eventually

1678
01:54:17,346 --> 01:54:24,285
you have, uh, the, um, wears that actually act like

1679
01:54:24,386 --> 01:54:27,725
miniature dams, but hold water in each individual basin. They

1680
01:54:27,725 --> 01:54:30,205
all have sleuth gates. They all have can be raised

1681
01:54:30,466 --> 01:54:33,085
and lower to make sure we can capture water in

1682
01:54:33,085 --> 01:54:35,485
the dry season, let it go in the rainy season.

1683
01:54:35,485 --> 01:54:38,505
So our stormwater system, I put it up against, um,

1684
01:54:38,706 --> 01:54:42,605
just about any other system in the world. The only

1685
01:54:42,645 --> 01:54:44,925
thing I think that even compares close to us is

1686
01:54:45,106 --> 01:54:47,485
New Orleans. And that's because they're below sea level and

1687
01:54:47,485 --> 01:54:49,645
they actually have to pump their water out. But as

1688
01:54:49,645 --> 01:54:51,885
far as what our crews do and the work they

1689
01:54:51,925 --> 01:54:55,165
put forward, look at the chart as council member Donnell

1690
01:54:55,186 --> 01:55:00,125
said, we're maintaining probably the second or third largest municipal

1691
01:55:00,146 --> 01:55:05,245
separate storm sewer system in Florida. Jacksonville being the largest,

1692
01:55:05,245 --> 01:55:08,605
but they're combined with a county having the most miles

1693
01:55:08,605 --> 01:55:12,445
of canals, most mild drainage pipes. And we are producing

1694
01:55:12,466 --> 01:55:21,992
that at a rate that. Stormwater study was completed in

1695
01:55:22,093 --> 01:55:26,712
2023. We're going to find that. We can send you

1696
01:55:26,752 --> 01:55:28,992
a copy of it, but I'm tried looking online. I

1697
01:55:29,053 --> 01:55:31,592
just couldn't quickly find it. That would be helpful because

1698
01:55:31,592 --> 01:55:35,672
it says that it covers from years 2024 to 2033.

1699
01:55:35,672 --> 01:55:37,232
So I think that would be important. And then we

1700
01:55:37,232 --> 01:55:42,861
can share that. Thank you. Council Member Laster. Thank you,

1701
01:55:42,901 --> 01:55:45,981
Mayor. Mr. City Manager, I had the same question council

1702
01:55:45,981 --> 01:55:48,541
member Kaduk wanted to know in terms of the wait

1703
01:55:48,562 --> 01:55:51,981
list. I know in 2024, I had many residents reaching

1704
01:55:52,021 --> 01:55:54,221
out to me not only for my district, but other

1705
01:55:54,722 --> 01:55:57,981
districts throughout the city saying there was an 18 month

1706
01:55:58,082 --> 01:56:01,501
wait list for that swale regrating. Are we better worse

1707
01:56:01,541 --> 01:56:05,942
or the same. I don't have that information with me,

1708
01:56:05,942 --> 01:56:08,662
but that's what, that's what adding these cruise is trying

1709
01:56:08,662 --> 01:56:12,422
to keep up with to be. I understand. Um, and

1710
01:56:12,443 --> 01:56:16,102
then, um, secondly, Ms. Joanne spoke and it sounds to

1711
01:56:16,102 --> 01:56:20,902
me, and I've driven in the Northeast all summer needed

1712
01:56:21,323 --> 01:56:25,907
a alignment after. And it sounds to me like Miss

1713
01:56:25,907 --> 01:56:31,347
Joanne is concerned. Um, regarding just spending the 38, 000

1714
01:56:31,368 --> 01:56:38,947
dollars or 36, 000 dollars. And she's concerned about drainage

1715
01:56:38,987 --> 01:56:42,307
now, like, like maybe we did something faulty. Is that

1716
01:56:42,307 --> 01:56:44,467
because of the, the, I know, I mean, I talked

1717
01:56:44,488 --> 01:56:47,747
to Mattia Williams about this all the time, but is

1718
01:56:47,747 --> 01:56:51,747
it because of the, the, the massive amount of rainfall

1719
01:56:51,747 --> 01:56:54,467
that we get in such short periods of time that

1720
01:56:54,467 --> 01:56:56,707
it might not be draining or could there be another

1721
01:56:56,888 --> 01:57:02,027
reason? Well, most often it is based on intensity. So

1722
01:57:02,168 --> 01:57:04,307
that's what I thought. You can only design a stormwater

1723
01:57:04,307 --> 01:57:06,867
system to handle a certain amount of rainfall per hour,

1724
01:57:06,867 --> 01:57:09,095
right? It's like pouring water in a cup. Okay. So

1725
01:57:09,836 --> 01:57:12,855
when what happens is when you get a major rainstorm

1726
01:57:13,436 --> 01:57:15,575
and I can tell you probably two or three weeks

1727
01:57:15,676 --> 01:57:18,535
ago, you all may recall. We ended up having some

1728
01:57:18,876 --> 01:57:21,815
flashfrood from a rain event that dropped like almost four

1729
01:57:21,855 --> 01:57:24,295
inches of rain in an hour. Yeah. And we actually

1730
01:57:24,335 --> 01:57:27,255
had to activate the EOC and do a couple things.

1731
01:57:27,255 --> 01:57:31,415
So that, that type of rainfall event. It was that

1732
01:57:31,455 --> 01:57:34,617
night. Then she that lady would have been the same

1733
01:57:34,718 --> 01:57:40,377
as everybody in that area, which basically was from Del

1734
01:57:40,417 --> 01:57:44,377
Prado, I think over to Nelson north of Pone Allen

1735
01:57:44,417 --> 01:57:47,817
Road. There was probably about a four square mile area.

1736
01:57:47,817 --> 01:57:51,737
The amount of rain that dropped that night was just,

1737
01:57:51,777 --> 01:57:55,017
it was impressive. You know, it's hurricane level rain farm.

1738
01:57:55,630 --> 01:57:58,949
Okay. Okay. Um, okay. Well, I would just say, um,

1739
01:57:59,630 --> 01:58:01,609
you know, to that resident, Ms. Joanne, just reach out

1740
01:58:02,190 --> 01:58:04,409
if things don't get better or if you still have

1741
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:06,409
concerns and I can contact you. I can put you

1742
01:58:06,449 --> 01:58:10,554
in contact with public works. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. See,

1743
01:58:10,554 --> 01:58:12,234
now the lights on, we got a motion second on

1744
01:58:12,274 --> 01:58:16,458
the floor, Madam City clerk, please call the roll. Kill

1745
01:58:16,479 --> 01:58:23,686
rain. Aye. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. No. Stein key?

1746
01:58:23,726 --> 01:58:30,615
Aye. Janelle. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? No. Six eyes, two

1747
01:58:30,615 --> 01:58:34,395
nays, motion carried. Okay. Let's move on to resolution 222

1748
01:58:34,435 --> 01:58:38,635
- 26. Madam said he clerked. Pleasaring the title. Resolution

1749
01:58:39,056 --> 01:58:42,715
222 - 26. A resolution of the mayor and city

1750
01:58:42,755 --> 01:58:45,755
council of the city of Cape Coral, Florida. Approving the

1751
01:58:46,016 --> 01:58:52,075
fiscal year 2026 to 2027 non - advaloreum assessment role.

1752
01:58:52,075 --> 01:58:56,235
For solid waste service assessments. Approving the solid waste service

1753
01:58:56,275 --> 01:58:59,275
assessment rates for such fiscal year and providing for collection

1754
01:58:59,456 --> 01:59:04,155
of the assessments pursuant to the uniform assessment collection act,

1755
01:59:04,155 --> 01:59:07,355
providing for several ability and providing for an effective date.

1756
01:59:09,367 --> 01:59:13,426
Okay, alternative staff. Thank you. So this resolution covers the

1757
01:59:13,466 --> 01:59:17,906
annual solid waste assessment, which provides a dedicated source of

1758
01:59:17,927 --> 01:59:20,626
funding for our garbage collection and disposal services for the

1759
01:59:20,647 --> 01:59:26,090
upcoming fiscal year. As the other assessment, chapter 22 of

1760
01:59:26,130 --> 01:59:29,530
the City Code of Ordinances requires counsel to establish an

1761
01:59:29,570 --> 01:59:34,010
annual assessment rate in conjunction with the city's budget process.

1762
01:59:34,010 --> 01:59:38,070
Uh, the introductory resolution was approved on July 22nd. And

1763
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:41,050
that action established a not to exceed rate and authorized

1764
01:59:41,050 --> 01:59:43,930
the city to provide a required notice to affected property

1765
01:59:43,951 --> 01:59:47,930
owners. And we are before you tonight as part of

1766
01:59:47,930 --> 01:59:53,895
the final public hearing. Changes that affect the fiscal year

1767
01:59:54,076 --> 01:59:58,775
27 proposed rate include WACEPRO CPI increase of 2. 75

1768
01:59:58,956 --> 02:00:03,655
percent for their services on the residentials pickup, uh, and

1769
02:00:03,655 --> 02:00:06,695
the LEA County solid waste division is proposing a 3.

1770
02:00:06,716 --> 02:00:10,535
25 percent increase That was actually approved by their board

1771
02:00:11,436 --> 02:00:15,895
very recently. So, um, that 3. 25 percent increase has

1772
02:00:15,895 --> 02:00:22,011
been approved and will be included Uh, proposed rate. So

1773
02:00:22,032 --> 02:00:25,611
for fiscal year 27, we're proposing a total assessment that

1774
02:00:25,611 --> 02:00:28,331
the total assessment remain the same as last year per

1775
02:00:28,352 --> 02:00:34,411
dwelling unit with while the total assessment remains level. It's

1776
02:00:34,411 --> 02:00:36,571
components have changed, as you can see, uh, from the

1777
02:00:36,592 --> 02:00:39,771
chart on the screen. You'll notice a reduction in the

1778
02:00:39,771 --> 02:00:44,331
city operating and personnel costs to offset the increased collection

1779
02:00:45,072 --> 02:00:47,531
and disposal cost for Lee County and waste pro, which

1780
02:00:47,531 --> 02:00:50,971
I just mentioned. This allows the city to maintain the

1781
02:00:50,992 --> 02:00:57,573
overall rate at the prior year level. And just as

1782
02:00:57,594 --> 02:01:01,093
a reminder, I mentioned this at the last public hearing,

1783
02:01:01,093 --> 02:01:03,973
the rate associated with the operating and personnel costs. That's

1784
02:01:03,973 --> 02:01:07,813
that fourth row included and elevated rate in anticipation of

1785
02:01:08,314 --> 02:01:12,933
an increase in the cost of waste hauler services and

1786
02:01:12,933 --> 02:01:15,813
the new contract for fiscal year 2028. So the goal

1787
02:01:16,234 --> 02:01:19,653
was accomplished where we got the rates to where we

1788
02:01:19,693 --> 02:01:22,853
think they will be in fiscal year 28 while building

1789
02:01:23,114 --> 02:01:26,133
a reserve. You're marked for disaster recovery and two months

1790
02:01:26,133 --> 02:01:33,705
of operating expenses. Um, at 384 dollars and 25 cents

1791
02:01:34,126 --> 02:01:37,865
annually, Cape Coral's proposed residential rate, uh, you can see

1792
02:01:38,126 --> 02:01:42,345
is in line, uh, with nearby comparable service areas that

1793
02:01:42,526 --> 02:01:45,960
also do, um, a one week pickup. So you can

1794
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,580
see that the rate here falls in line with other

1795
02:01:49,761 --> 02:01:55,577
cities statewide. With that, I asked for your approval. Okay.

1796
02:01:55,577 --> 02:01:58,057
Thank you. I know public hearing any one wishing to

1797
02:01:58,057 --> 02:02:05,348
speak on resolution 222 - 26. Please come forward. Good

1798
02:02:05,388 --> 02:02:09,748
afternoon. Again, mayor council, um, Joanne Denigers. As I stated,

1799
02:02:09,748 --> 02:02:14,068
I have some yard waste out front. Evidently they only

1800
02:02:14,108 --> 02:02:15,748
picked up one side of the street and not the

1801
02:02:15,748 --> 02:02:19,828
other. Um, when waste pro came back to council to,

1802
02:02:19,828 --> 02:02:23,428
um, put in their bid for the contract. We should

1803
02:02:23,468 --> 02:02:26,046
have never went with them. We should have stayed away

1804
02:02:26,086 --> 02:02:28,686
from waste pro. I don't know who the other competitors

1805
02:02:28,686 --> 02:02:32,686
may have been. Waste pro is, I mean, they've done

1806
02:02:32,707 --> 02:02:36,366
a lot better with their services, but now they're telling

1807
02:02:36,366 --> 02:02:41,210
me I have to. Tie my bundle. Do they want

1808
02:02:41,311 --> 02:02:44,650
a bow on it? As I stated before, ridiculous. Come

1809
02:02:44,650 --> 02:02:47,530
on. I had to hire somebody to cut the limbs

1810
02:02:47,530 --> 02:02:51,850
from my tree and place it out front neatly stacked.

1811
02:02:51,850 --> 02:02:54,554
And, you know, I called. You know, waste pro to

1812
02:02:54,554 --> 02:02:56,714
tell them in advance, make sure that they have a

1813
02:02:56,714 --> 02:03:00,074
truck big enough to take the waste away. They're telling

1814
02:03:00,074 --> 02:03:02,954
me now that I have to tie it. So I

1815
02:03:02,954 --> 02:03:05,434
have somebody that's going to come over and tie it.

1816
02:03:05,434 --> 02:03:06,954
But like I said, what do they want to bow

1817
02:03:06,994 --> 02:03:09,994
on this stuff? Okay. God help us if we get

1818
02:03:10,015 --> 02:03:13,434
hit by another hurricane. I'm going to talk about waste

1819
02:03:13,434 --> 02:03:17,787
management. I'm going to talk about stormwater. Why I flooded

1820
02:03:17,827 --> 02:03:21,975
this time was not because of that storm. It's because

1821
02:03:21,996 --> 02:03:25,255
when I was unwell and septic, I was draining fine.

1822
02:03:26,437 --> 02:03:29,776
But now that they have put in the city sewer

1823
02:03:29,816 --> 02:03:32,576
and water, it is not draining. Something is wrong with

1824
02:03:32,837 --> 02:03:37,456
either the swales or the stormwater drains that they put

1825
02:03:37,496 --> 02:03:40,176
in. I don't know why. The whole street was flooded.

1826
02:03:40,277 --> 02:03:42,976
I took pictures and it wasn't during that time. We

1827
02:03:43,157 --> 02:03:46,976
flood more now than we have ever before. I've lived

1828
02:03:47,557 --> 02:03:49,936
on my street for 20 years. I built my home

1829
02:03:50,037 --> 02:03:54,133
20 years ago. I spoke to council before. You keep

1830
02:03:54,154 --> 02:03:58,133
building. You keep building. Cut back the infrastructure. We can't

1831
02:03:58,394 --> 02:04:00,933
handle the influx of people that are coming to Cape

1832
02:04:00,933 --> 02:04:03,653
Coral. I understand we're growing. But we need to put

1833
02:04:03,914 --> 02:04:08,133
a moratorium on building. We can't handle the infrastructure. Police

1834
02:04:08,154 --> 02:04:12,293
fire our roads. We can't handle the people that are

1835
02:04:12,314 --> 02:04:15,253
coming here, but you still want to add more to

1836
02:04:15,253 --> 02:04:17,893
us that have been living here. We need to put

1837
02:04:18,234 --> 02:04:21,703
a moratorium. Stop. Cause I know you want the tax

1838
02:04:21,743 --> 02:04:25,363
revenue, but it's killing us that have been here. You

1839
02:04:25,363 --> 02:04:28,943
know, we're paying what we need to pay. But I

1840
02:04:28,983 --> 02:04:33,023
had stead before you need to stop building. Like I

1841
02:04:33,023 --> 02:04:37,343
said, there's 15 home sitting derelict up on northeast 15th

1842
02:04:37,383 --> 02:04:41,125
Street. Nobody's there. And you know, it's just, you know,

1843
02:04:41,166 --> 02:04:43,945
it's going to be ransacked by squatters because they can't

1844
02:04:44,046 --> 02:04:47,225
sell the property because now they're cities soar and water

1845
02:04:47,265 --> 02:04:50,245
there. People are not going to buy those homes. And

1846
02:04:50,286 --> 02:04:52,025
then, you know, the spec homes. Nobody's going to buy

1847
02:04:52,025 --> 02:04:54,585
them. Like I said, I'm just preaching to the choir

1848
02:04:54,606 --> 02:04:58,645
here. Hopefully you guys, I understand you are listening. But

1849
02:04:58,645 --> 02:05:01,625
come on, we're paying out the but for some of

1850
02:05:01,665 --> 02:05:04,665
these services. And like I said, I've been in North

1851
02:05:04,686 --> 02:05:09,187
Cape for 26 years. Thank you.

1852
02:05:15,898 --> 02:05:19,077
Uh, Tom Shadrach, uh, I talked last time at the

1853
02:05:19,117 --> 02:05:21,477
initial hearing about this, but I noticed the chart was

1854
02:05:21,517 --> 02:05:24,517
left off this time about, uh, how much reserve is

1855
02:05:24,618 --> 02:05:27,557
created. So I brought it with me from the last

1856
02:05:27,818 --> 02:05:32,006
hearing. We're adding 8 million dollars to the reserve pot.

1857
02:05:33,465 --> 02:05:37,002
As a surplus. We're up to 35 million dollars now.

1858
02:05:37,042 --> 02:05:40,042
There's no financial policy other than you're using this to

1859
02:05:40,223 --> 02:05:42,362
inflate the value because you think that's what we're going

1860
02:05:42,362 --> 02:05:46,442
to have to pay next year when we get the

1861
02:05:46,783 --> 02:05:52,364
recompete of waste probe. I think this is crazy. Five

1862
02:05:52,364 --> 02:05:55,724
years ago, we didn't require a reserve. Now we have

1863
02:05:56,065 --> 02:06:01,073
35 million dollars. Have been overcharged. You want to look

1864
02:06:01,073 --> 02:06:03,633
at a comparison chart. There's nothing wrong with being the

1865
02:06:03,673 --> 02:06:08,361
cheapest. Okay. So, uh, basically you could give a hundred

1866
02:06:08,361 --> 02:06:12,601
dollars back to everybody on this and we still have

1867
02:06:12,782 --> 02:06:18,081
25 million dollars in reserves, why it's so important. If

1868
02:06:18,081 --> 02:06:21,401
you can justify what the cost is next year, because

1869
02:06:21,582 --> 02:06:24,041
rates went up because of the competition we were getting

1870
02:06:24,062 --> 02:06:28,041
a great value. Okay. I think people can accept that.

1871
02:06:28,041 --> 02:06:31,001
But to have created this 35 million dollar of surplus

1872
02:06:32,142 --> 02:06:36,281
is crazy. And it's done. You're getting 8 million dollars

1873
02:06:36,302 --> 02:06:46,121
this year. That most of that is reserve. And it's

1874
02:06:46,121 --> 02:06:49,001
not personnel and operating cost. So this is an issue

1875
02:06:49,041 --> 02:06:54,121
of transparency. I think council member long ask every year

1876
02:06:54,302 --> 02:06:57,721
how much of that is just, uh, reserve versus personnel

1877
02:06:57,982 --> 02:07:01,001
and why can't you divide that? We've always discussed that.

1878
02:07:01,001 --> 02:07:02,761
I guess you don't want to be transparent about that

1879
02:07:03,022 --> 02:07:06,841
because it never gets changed. Um, but thanks for not

1880
02:07:06,881 --> 02:07:10,121
raising it this year. And the policy on why we

1881
02:07:10,161 --> 02:07:14,361
even have 35 million dollars in this reserve category and

1882
02:07:14,361 --> 02:07:16,954
what we're going to do with it. We don't have

1883
02:07:18,095 --> 02:07:21,114
capital expenses at all. So it's ridiculous and it's a

1884
02:07:21,135 --> 02:07:24,954
waste. And that should be back in our residence pockets.

1885
02:07:24,954 --> 02:07:32,808
Thank you. We saw and I'm just getting that pretty

1886
02:07:32,808 --> 02:07:34,328
much to speak because he just said everything I was

1887
02:07:34,429 --> 02:07:36,728
going to say because it's one of his lush funds.

1888
02:07:36,728 --> 02:07:39,368
We all know it. We all know there. There was

1889
02:07:39,368 --> 02:07:41,528
no reason to raise it so early. And you don't

1890
02:07:41,528 --> 02:07:44,568
need to be raising it again now and diloting everything

1891
02:07:44,568 --> 02:07:51,261
you said, Tom. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak.

1892
02:07:57,220 --> 02:07:59,943
Something. New. Hold on. He's speaking. You can come after

1893
02:08:00,204 --> 02:08:04,455
me. Okay. Uh, Kyle Amedy District 7. So talking about

1894
02:08:04,716 --> 02:08:06,455
these, you know, slush funds or whatever you want to

1895
02:08:06,495 --> 02:08:09,337
call them. Dit or did we not get a hundred

1896
02:08:09,337 --> 02:08:12,617
million dollar interest - free loan offer for six months

1897
02:08:13,118 --> 02:08:17,763
by the state. Due to hurricane. Didn't we also get

1898
02:08:18,184 --> 02:08:20,963
a hundred percent of everything recouped? And I think you

1899
02:08:21,003 --> 02:08:23,763
actually said that's very unlikely to happen again. But to

1900
02:08:23,763 --> 02:08:26,923
my knowledge that actually happens in almost every storm. Am

1901
02:08:26,923 --> 02:08:29,283
I correct in that? So again, we keep on going

1902
02:08:29,544 --> 02:08:33,923
for disaster preparedness, but we have all this money. Apparently

1903
02:08:34,024 --> 02:08:37,103
already set aside. We still want more set aside, but

1904
02:08:37,103 --> 02:08:39,603
then we get disastro money sent to us that we

1905
02:08:39,624 --> 02:08:42,003
can use. And I believe again, it was six months

1906
02:08:42,264 --> 02:08:44,923
interest - free hundred million dollars available to us. If

1907
02:08:44,923 --> 02:08:47,123
I'm wrong on that, please correct me. Um, so again,

1908
02:08:47,624 --> 02:08:50,003
why do we need to keep on expanding this so

1909
02:08:50,003 --> 02:08:52,323
much? What other purposes is it going to be used

1910
02:08:52,323 --> 02:08:58,003
for besides storm damage cleanup? And can you guys change

1911
02:08:58,024 --> 02:09:00,963
it by a vote to move it from something with

1912
02:09:01,224 --> 02:09:04,083
storm damage to anything else you guys want? Curious. Thank

1913
02:09:04,083 --> 02:09:13,051
you. Now. My question is we got this paper in

1914
02:09:13,051 --> 02:09:17,049
the mail. Notice the property owners do not pay. This

1915
02:09:17,049 --> 02:09:20,980
is not a bill. And we are invited to come

1916
02:09:21,641 --> 02:09:25,620
and to the hearing. But I feel like I'm wasting

1917
02:09:25,660 --> 02:09:30,380
my time here today because this happened last year. I

1918
02:09:30,380 --> 02:09:34,660
came here about the same thing with assessment. And nothing

1919
02:09:34,761 --> 02:09:39,280
has been done. All of you guys vote I. And

1920
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:42,420
nobody's list. I feel like no one is listening to

1921
02:09:42,441 --> 02:09:46,580
us like we're speaking to dev ears. And it's really

1922
02:09:46,620 --> 02:09:49,460
frustrating at this point. I feel like backing up and

1923
02:09:49,500 --> 02:09:51,700
leave because I'm wasting my time. I have better things

1924
02:09:51,700 --> 02:09:55,460
to do than sit here, but I'm worried about the

1925
02:09:55,500 --> 02:09:59,460
future of my home. I have small house. I don't

1926
02:09:59,641 --> 02:10:02,200
want to pay more taxes. I can't afford it. I

1927
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,440
don't want to, what do I have to go work

1928
02:10:04,941 --> 02:10:10,156
again at 65? I don't want to. Why are you

1929
02:10:10,417 --> 02:10:13,356
all voting yes, yes, yes. And not even listening to

1930
02:10:13,356 --> 02:10:16,156
us. That's what's crazy. That's what's sad. And I'm feel

1931
02:10:16,156 --> 02:10:21,229
like backing up and leaving this room. Thank you. Anyone

1932
02:10:21,269 --> 02:10:29,896
else. Wish to speak when. Resolution 222 - 26. See,

1933
02:10:29,896 --> 02:10:33,096
in non - public hearings now closed, entertain a motion

1934
02:10:33,096 --> 02:10:37,016
regarding resolution 222 - 26. Motion to approve 222 -

1935
02:10:37,437 --> 02:10:44,945
26. Second. Council member could do. Thank you, Mayor. Crystal,

1936
02:10:44,945 --> 02:10:47,285
it says on chart. I don't even know what number

1937
02:10:47,306 --> 02:10:51,428
this is. I guess it would be four. Cape Coral

1938
02:10:51,428 --> 02:10:54,228
operating in personnel costs. And it's going down by 11

1939
02:10:54,329 --> 02:11:01,162
dollars in 57 cents. What exactly is that. This program

1940
02:11:01,263 --> 02:11:04,042
does have employees assigned to it. Um, seven out of

1941
02:11:04,082 --> 02:11:07,642
public works. And we also have a billing clerk. That's

1942
02:11:07,642 --> 02:11:11,162
assigned to this program that are funded through the rates.

1943
02:11:11,162 --> 02:11:15,162
Um, in addition to that, that is also, um, where

1944
02:11:15,202 --> 02:11:19,210
we built in the elevation of the rate. Preparing for

1945
02:11:19,871 --> 02:11:26,151
our contract and fiscal year 28. Okay. And the slide

1946
02:11:26,172 --> 02:11:29,911
above says waste per will receive a 2. 75 percent

1947
02:11:30,012 --> 02:11:33,824
CPI increase. And sorry for the person that's running the

1948
02:11:33,864 --> 02:11:37,824
screens the very next one down, 26 and 27 when

1949
02:11:37,824 --> 02:11:43,024
it shows on chart four a 2. 75 percent CPI

1950
02:11:43,285 --> 02:11:48,664
increase would only be four dollars in 60 cents. So

1951
02:11:48,725 --> 02:11:52,844
the proposed fee in 2027 should be 171 88, not

1952
02:11:52,844 --> 02:12:00,064
17208. So waste pros contract has many line items within

1953
02:12:00,104 --> 02:12:05,904
it. So that 2. 75 percent, each service that they

1954
02:12:05,925 --> 02:12:09,104
provide. So once you add all of those up, it

1955
02:12:09,144 --> 02:12:11,184
does get you to the four dollars in 80 cents.

1956
02:12:11,365 --> 02:12:14,384
It's just a massive list of all of the breakdown

1957
02:12:14,384 --> 02:12:17,424
of their services and that 2. 75 is applied to

1958
02:12:17,424 --> 02:12:20,544
each one. Um, so with rounding, uh, it does get

1959
02:12:20,584 --> 02:12:23,264
you to the 4 dollars in it. It won't math

1960
02:12:23,365 --> 02:12:27,184
exactly. Okay. Just using last year's rate compared to what

1961
02:12:27,285 --> 02:12:30,544
we're proposing. Yeah. I mean, it's very close. It's 20

1962
02:12:30,584 --> 02:12:34,384
cents off. It's we're nickel and diming literally, but that's

1963
02:12:34,565 --> 02:12:37,984
if you're using a 2. 75 percent CPI increase it

1964
02:12:37,984 --> 02:12:41,024
would be 4 dollars in 60 cents changing what the

1965
02:12:41,125 --> 02:12:43,824
proposed rate would be for 2027. I'm very thankful that

1966
02:12:44,165 --> 02:12:47,744
it stays the same, but it just, if we're saying

1967
02:12:47,845 --> 02:12:49,824
it's a 2. 75 percent increase and then you're trying

1968
02:12:49,824 --> 02:12:51,664
to do that math, it is just off. That's all.

1969
02:12:52,308 --> 02:12:55,487
It's, it's a 2. 75 percent increase from their contract

1970
02:12:55,527 --> 02:12:58,527
fees in their long list of fees that are included

1971
02:12:58,548 --> 02:13:02,527
in that. So when we apply it to that and

1972
02:13:02,527 --> 02:13:05,647
then calculate our proposed rate, it is a difference of

1973
02:13:05,647 --> 02:13:13,689
the 480. Okay. Thank you. Council Membersteinke. Thank you Mayor.

1974
02:13:13,729 --> 02:13:18,945
Yeah. Um, this is to address Monica's concerns. Some of

1975
02:13:18,945 --> 02:13:21,905
the meetings you may have missed and why, why it

1976
02:13:21,945 --> 02:13:24,225
seems like, Oh, it's just brought up and voted yes

1977
02:13:24,246 --> 02:13:27,185
on is that there were many meetings before where we've

1978
02:13:27,225 --> 02:13:30,225
brought in consultants and looked at what the cost of

1979
02:13:30,225 --> 02:13:33,885
the services would be over a period of years. And

1980
02:13:33,885 --> 02:13:37,105
so when we go through the budgeting process and the

1981
02:13:37,145 --> 02:13:40,385
dollar's required for this, it's gone through many other stages

1982
02:13:40,566 --> 02:13:45,105
where, uh, others have come forward and brought their concerns.

1983
02:13:45,105 --> 02:13:47,185
And we look and we break it down just like

1984
02:13:47,185 --> 02:13:50,305
you're seeing here into the component parts, uh, and so

1985
02:13:50,326 --> 02:13:53,985
this is just where we're memorializing what has happened before

1986
02:13:54,646 --> 02:13:58,865
as the budget has been evaluated. And most of these,

1987
02:13:58,865 --> 02:14:01,745
uh, especially you just saw as it relates to the

1988
02:14:01,926 --> 02:14:04,865
CPI increase. It's part of their contract that they got

1989
02:14:05,446 --> 02:14:07,825
when, when they got the contract. And so when we

1990
02:14:08,006 --> 02:14:10,785
evaluate these as to where we would expect these to

1991
02:14:10,785 --> 02:14:13,505
go year after year, it's those things are committed to

1992
02:14:13,766 --> 02:14:18,945
in contracts that get played into the equation where we

1993
02:14:18,985 --> 02:14:22,385
can't say don't pay them that because we're contracted to

1994
02:14:22,486 --> 02:14:26,465
pay them that. And then the, the, any of the

1995
02:14:26,886 --> 02:14:29,405
personnel and capital that we can control, as you can

1996
02:14:29,405 --> 02:14:32,045
see that in the, in the operating personnel cost, you

1997
02:14:32,045 --> 02:14:35,345
can see that was brought down. So, um, another thing

1998
02:14:35,526 --> 02:14:37,425
just moving here last year that may not be familiar

1999
02:14:37,446 --> 02:14:41,665
with is that we were getting a tremendously low rates

2000
02:14:41,766 --> 02:14:44,465
in the past that we know we're not going to

2001
02:14:44,806 --> 02:14:47,505
get. And so part of this, uh, the way that

2002
02:14:47,545 --> 02:14:51,105
this budgeting process was put in was to soften the

2003
02:14:51,286 --> 02:14:55,985
blow of that which will occur guaranteed to occur on

2004
02:14:56,006 --> 02:14:59,585
the next contract that we give whatever waste company that

2005
02:14:59,625 --> 02:15:04,705
we give because we just happened to have timing wise,

2006
02:15:04,705 --> 02:15:08,065
um, had an extremely low rate that was committed to

2007
02:15:08,886 --> 02:15:12,305
that is that is no longer available from any provider.

2008
02:15:12,305 --> 02:15:13,825
So that's one of the reasons why you see what

2009
02:15:13,865 --> 02:15:18,145
it is. It's not just a matter of saying our

2010
02:15:18,145 --> 02:15:20,945
blessing over it without a great deal of, of thought

2011
02:15:21,126 --> 02:15:27,780
and consideration. Thank you. Council member Laster. Thank you, Mayor.

2012
02:15:27,780 --> 02:15:29,740
Thank you, Council Members. Thank you for stating that. I

2013
02:15:29,740 --> 02:15:32,340
think that's important for those of you that are new.

2014
02:15:32,340 --> 02:15:35,940
It's, it's true. We have, um, discussed this budget, discuss

2015
02:15:35,940 --> 02:15:41,300
these contracts, research, um, probably eight months. Um, so we

2016
02:15:41,321 --> 02:15:45,255
are just formalizing this with a vote. Crystal, could you

2017
02:15:45,276 --> 02:15:50,295
explain exactly what our or maybe Mr. City Manager you

2018
02:15:50,295 --> 02:15:54,535
should explain it. Maureen. Hello. Um, can you explain why

2019
02:15:54,575 --> 02:15:57,495
we have this solid waste fund? And I also want

2020
02:15:57,495 --> 02:16:00,535
to clarify that it is not increasing. I think I

2021
02:16:00,535 --> 02:16:03,795
know why because I remember during Irma when there was

2022
02:16:03,795 --> 02:16:06,775
a giant pile of stuff in my district and I

2023
02:16:06,775 --> 02:16:10,215
got complaints daily, um, as I had just been elected

2024
02:16:10,476 --> 02:16:14,215
into office the first time because residents were so upset,

2025
02:16:14,215 --> 02:16:16,675
um, that we had this giant pile. And it's because

2026
02:16:16,956 --> 02:16:20,055
we have to get reimbursement from FEMA. So we have

2027
02:16:20,095 --> 02:16:22,995
to spend our money to remove all that waste. And

2028
02:16:22,995 --> 02:16:26,295
I believe that because of that and then definitely because

2029
02:16:26,316 --> 02:16:29,735
of Ian, we wanted to have a solid waste reserve

2030
02:16:29,775 --> 02:16:31,895
so that we could utilize those funds to begin the

2031
02:16:31,996 --> 02:16:36,775
cleanup immediately. And I will say with Ian, um, it

2032
02:16:36,796 --> 02:16:42,215
was incredible because we did get things picked up clearly.

2033
02:16:42,215 --> 02:16:49,658
Can you please explain that Maureen. Or Terry. Or yeah,

2034
02:16:49,658 --> 02:16:52,814
thank you. And we are also, as Council of Overstank,

2035
02:16:52,814 --> 02:16:55,374
he stated we are in the process of the bidding

2036
02:16:55,374 --> 02:17:00,814
process to get our solid waste contract renewed potentially with

2037
02:17:00,854 --> 02:17:03,294
a new vendor. So stay tuned with that. And as

2038
02:17:03,334 --> 02:17:08,094
Council Member Steinki also stated, um, this increase or this

2039
02:17:08,094 --> 02:17:10,414
was done so that we could soften the blow because

2040
02:17:10,414 --> 02:17:15,054
he's not wrong. Cheaper isn't always better. Um, uh, as

2041
02:17:15,094 --> 02:17:17,614
Ms. Joanne stated, maybe waste pro wasn't the best choice,

2042
02:17:17,614 --> 02:17:20,094
but I do believe at the time council selected them,

2043
02:17:20,094 --> 02:17:26,968
they were the most inexpensive choice. Thank you, Terry. Yes.

2044
02:17:27,008 --> 02:17:30,425
Hi, Terry Schweitzer. The solid waste manager for the city

2045
02:17:30,465 --> 02:17:34,345
of Cape Coral and the debris manager during those after

2046
02:17:34,446 --> 02:17:37,305
hurricane events. Hopefully I'll never have to worry about it

2047
02:17:37,345 --> 02:17:41,107
again and know else in the room. Um, so briefly,

2048
02:17:41,107 --> 02:17:44,867
uh, in the reserve, there is money set aside to

2049
02:17:44,867 --> 02:17:50,227
cover cleanup costs after Ian, uh, in finance could correct

2050
02:17:50,227 --> 02:17:52,867
me if I'm wrong, but it was raised. We do

2051
02:17:52,867 --> 02:17:57,863
get reimbursed from FEMA. Uh, that takes months. Matter of

2052
02:17:57,863 --> 02:18:00,143
fact, I want to say it was around August of

2053
02:18:00,564 --> 02:18:05,574
24. Before we got our first checks from, uh, Ian,

2054
02:18:05,574 --> 02:18:07,894
which was in September 22. We have to pay the

2055
02:18:08,075 --> 02:18:10,774
contractors. They're not going to do the work for free.

2056
02:18:10,774 --> 02:18:13,334
So we have to have that reserve fund there to

2057
02:18:13,334 --> 02:18:18,454
pay the contractors while we're waiting through all the FEMA

2058
02:18:18,494 --> 02:18:23,663
reviews and such. Make sure that all the debris clean

2059
02:18:23,663 --> 02:18:26,623
up that we did was eligible for reimbursement. So we

2060
02:18:26,623 --> 02:18:31,503
need money in there to cover that interim period as,

2061
02:18:31,503 --> 02:18:34,142
as we say. Right. I remember, like I said, when

2062
02:18:34,163 --> 02:18:37,822
I was first elected after Irma, I mean, that was,

2063
02:18:37,822 --> 02:18:41,582
we received hundreds of phone calls and emails weekly from

2064
02:18:41,683 --> 02:18:45,502
residents who were very upset that their items hadn't been

2065
02:18:45,542 --> 02:18:49,822
picked up quickly. So I appreciate that explanation. Thank you.

2066
02:18:49,822 --> 02:18:53,182
Um, Mr. City attorney again to address Ms. Joanne who

2067
02:18:53,222 --> 02:18:57,582
spoke earlier about stopping, uh, putting a moratorium on building.

2068
02:18:57,582 --> 02:19:00,702
Remind me again of the Senate bill that the state

2069
02:19:00,702 --> 02:19:03,422
won't let us do that, right? Yes. It's sent Bill

2070
02:19:03,683 --> 02:19:08,782
SB 180 that remains in effect. It actually went retroactive.

2071
02:19:08,782 --> 02:19:11,422
It really, um, put a gun to our head and

2072
02:19:11,422 --> 02:19:14,062
then cut our legs off. Frankly, and we can't do

2073
02:19:14,062 --> 02:19:19,022
anything about that until, uh, October of 2027. And that's

2074
02:19:19,123 --> 02:19:22,862
presuming and assuming that they don't extend that. And if

2075
02:19:22,862 --> 02:19:25,902
they extend that, uh, it puts us that by far

2076
02:19:25,923 --> 02:19:29,502
more in jeopardy and exposes us to a potential legal

2077
02:19:29,603 --> 02:19:33,585
action if we were to do that moratorium. Okay. I

2078
02:19:33,625 --> 02:19:36,625
just wanted to clarify that for you, Ms. Joanne. It's

2079
02:19:36,665 --> 02:19:40,918
beyond our control sadly. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Council

2080
02:19:40,918 --> 02:19:45,558
Member Cadoo. Thank you, Mayor. What is the target fund

2081
02:19:45,558 --> 02:19:48,598
for the hurricane debris cleanup for solid waste? Like what

2082
02:19:48,598 --> 02:19:52,950
is the target fund that we're going to have. There

2083
02:19:52,990 --> 02:19:56,870
was no defined number, but I think, you know, to

2084
02:19:56,870 --> 02:20:01,830
compare, for hurricane Ian, the disaster recovery, um, the debris

2085
02:20:02,411 --> 02:20:05,590
cost it recover, um, on the debris pickup was over

2086
02:20:05,611 --> 02:20:11,590
60 million dollars. So where we are now, we feel

2087
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:14,470
like it's, it's a comfortable number to where it will

2088
02:20:14,651 --> 02:20:20,173
address allow us to, um, start that recovery process. As

2089
02:20:20,194 --> 02:20:23,133
soon as we can, as soon as we're able to,

2090
02:20:23,133 --> 02:20:25,373
um, so we think that where we are now is

2091
02:20:25,413 --> 02:20:28,173
a good number and also built into that is two

2092
02:20:28,173 --> 02:20:33,373
months of operating expenses to build a reserve for that

2093
02:20:33,373 --> 02:20:36,893
as well. Perfect segue back to the operating personnel cost.

2094
02:20:36,893 --> 02:20:38,813
Sorry to beat you up on this. It's going down

2095
02:20:39,394 --> 02:20:44,836
11 dollars and 57 cents per ERU or EBU. How

2096
02:20:44,937 --> 02:20:48,176
are we losing someone? You said the seven FTEs. How

2097
02:20:48,176 --> 02:20:50,976
does it go down? So based on our estimate, um,

2098
02:20:51,817 --> 02:20:55,396
with the rate where it is where it's being proposed,

2099
02:20:55,396 --> 02:20:58,276
um, as it was mentioned before and in my slide

2100
02:20:58,316 --> 02:21:01,556
at the initial hearing, it will create an additional surplus

2101
02:21:01,577 --> 02:21:04,196
of about eight million and that's an estimate, which will

2102
02:21:04,217 --> 02:21:09,477
get us to, uh, reserve of about 35 million. That's

2103
02:21:09,498 --> 02:21:14,357
leaving the rate where it is. Um, so again, that

2104
02:21:14,538 --> 02:21:16,597
estimate where it felt like we were in a comfortable

2105
02:21:16,698 --> 02:21:20,357
spot, successful with the increase. And so we were able

2106
02:21:20,357 --> 02:21:24,677
to reduce the operating and personnel costs where that reserve

2107
02:21:24,717 --> 02:21:28,197
elevation was built in so that the residents weren't so

2108
02:21:28,197 --> 02:21:30,677
that the increase for waste pro and Lee County was

2109
02:21:30,698 --> 02:21:33,157
not passed on to the residents. It just kept, kept

2110
02:21:33,157 --> 02:21:36,357
the rate level. So we reduced what we were building

2111
02:21:36,458 --> 02:21:40,837
for the reserve to offset those external costs. Thank you.

2112
02:21:40,837 --> 02:21:43,957
And after we implement a new solid waste contract with

2113
02:21:44,058 --> 02:21:47,237
whomever that is, are we going to be building a

2114
02:21:47,258 --> 02:21:49,877
reserve again or is there still a reserve? There will

2115
02:21:49,877 --> 02:21:53,302
still be a reserve. Perfect. Thank you. And before we

2116
02:21:53,403 --> 02:21:56,182
conclude on this topic, I just want to, um, kind

2117
02:21:56,182 --> 02:21:58,982
of add to what Terry said, especially as it related

2118
02:21:59,022 --> 02:22:03,302
to FEMA and the recovery, um, assistance that we receive.

2119
02:22:03,302 --> 02:22:06,822
Um, yes, hurricane Ian was an exception where they provided

2120
02:22:07,003 --> 02:22:10,742
reimbursement at 100 percent, but normally and in all other

2121
02:22:11,243 --> 02:22:14,902
storm cases, it's been 75 percent 12 and a half

2122
02:22:14,923 --> 02:22:16,982
percent from the state and then the city is still

2123
02:22:17,022 --> 02:22:19,222
responsible for 12 and a half percent. So that's typically

2124
02:22:19,803 --> 02:22:23,382
what we can expect moving forward. Um, and since Ian,

2125
02:22:23,382 --> 02:22:25,862
we've had two other storms. And it was not matched

2126
02:22:26,203 --> 02:22:29,302
equally, uh, the way it was for Ian. It's, it

2127
02:22:29,342 --> 02:22:32,302
went back to the 75, 12 and a half, 12

2128
02:22:32,302 --> 02:22:40,843
and a half split. And as far as, um, 52

2129
02:22:40,944 --> 02:22:43,883
million dollar lap loan. So it was actually 52 million

2130
02:22:43,904 --> 02:22:47,243
dollars where they advanced us funds to help with those

2131
02:22:47,264 --> 02:22:51,883
recovery efforts. And as we receive, um, as money is

2132
02:22:51,883 --> 02:22:55,563
obligated and we request reimbursement and we receive those funds.

2133
02:22:55,563 --> 02:23:03,497
It goes back to paying the loan. State. And the

2134
02:23:03,497 --> 02:23:07,017
interest is paid on that loan and it's paid to

2135
02:23:07,017 --> 02:23:11,286
the state. All right. Okay. See, another lights on. We

2136
02:23:11,387 --> 02:23:13,366
got a motion second on the floor. Madam said he

2137
02:23:13,387 --> 02:23:18,246
clerked, please call the role. Kill rain. Aye. Lastra. Aye.

2138
02:23:18,347 --> 02:23:24,676
Lehman. Aye. Long. No. Steinky? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye.

2139
02:23:24,857 --> 02:23:29,556
Kaduk? No. Six ayes, two nays motion carried. We've owned

2140
02:23:29,577 --> 02:23:33,156
resolution 223 - 26. Madam City clerk. Please read the

2141
02:23:33,156 --> 02:23:40,187
title. Resolution 223 - 26. Resolution of the mayor in

2142
02:23:40,227 --> 02:23:43,387
city council of the city of Cape Coral, Florida. Approving

2143
02:23:43,427 --> 02:23:48,347
the fiscal year 2026 to 2027 non - ad valoreum

2144
02:23:48,347 --> 02:23:53,147
assessment role for fire protection assessments. Approving the fire protection

2145
02:23:53,408 --> 02:23:56,427
assessment rates for such fiscal year and providing for collection

2146
02:23:56,528 --> 02:24:00,187
of the assessments pursuant to the uniform assessment collection act.

2147
02:24:01,170 --> 02:24:06,189
Providing for hardship deferrals establishing and administrative petition procedure regarding

2148
02:24:06,189 --> 02:24:11,229
the number of tier two equivalent benefit units attributed to

2149
02:24:11,650 --> 02:24:15,229
tax parcels, providing for several ability and providing for an

2150
02:24:15,250 --> 02:24:21,161
effective date. Okay. Thank you, alternative staff. Thank you. All

2151
02:24:21,161 --> 02:24:25,961
right. Resolution 223 - 26 covers the fire service assessment,

2152
02:24:25,961 --> 02:24:29,241
which provides a dedicated funding source for our fire protection

2153
02:24:29,262 --> 02:24:34,401
services for the upcoming fiscal year. Chapter 17 of the

2154
02:24:34,502 --> 02:24:37,761
city code provides the uniform process for imposing an administering

2155
02:24:37,942 --> 02:24:42,081
assessments that fund essential services and capital improvements. Uh, the

2156
02:24:42,102 --> 02:24:47,181
introductory resolution was approved on July 22nd authorizing the, uh,

2157
02:24:48,342 --> 02:24:51,841
that authorizing the city to notify affected property owners of

2158
02:24:51,881 --> 02:24:56,373
the maximum rate. Uh, today's resolution will establish the final

2159
02:24:56,554 --> 02:25:02,055
rate for next fiscal year. The FSA supports fire protection

2160
02:25:02,156 --> 02:25:05,735
services throughout Cape Coral. It helps make the city maintain

2161
02:25:05,996 --> 02:25:09,575
fire stations, uh, replaced and maintain equipment and provide the

2162
02:25:09,836 --> 02:25:13,975
personnel needed to protect residents, property owners and businesses. The

2163
02:25:14,156 --> 02:25:19,975
assessment uses a two methodology intended to allocate cost across

2164
02:25:21,036 --> 02:25:25,175
benefited according to the benefits received. So there are two

2165
02:25:25,175 --> 02:25:29,095
tiers. Tier one is the availability benefit. All parcels, including

2166
02:25:29,276 --> 02:25:32,695
vacant parcels, um, share in the fixed cost of maintaining

2167
02:25:32,796 --> 02:25:37,341
a 24 hour readiness to respond. Uh, and that it

2168
02:25:37,381 --> 02:25:42,141
represents 70 percent of the assessment tier two is the

2169
02:25:42,162 --> 02:25:46,141
protection of structural loss benefit. And so only approved parcels

2170
02:25:46,402 --> 02:25:49,341
are assessed under this tier. The charge is based on

2171
02:25:49,522 --> 02:25:54,221
structure value, not taxable value expressed as an equivalent benefit

2172
02:25:54,261 --> 02:25:59,181
unit, REB. And so tier two represents the remaining 30

2173
02:25:59,221 --> 02:26:03,690
percent of the assessment. Looking at the numbers, the rates

2174
02:26:03,711 --> 02:26:07,850
being presented were calculated, assuming in 81 percent recovery through

2175
02:26:07,890 --> 02:26:10,890
assessments. The general fund will pick up the remaining 19

2176
02:26:11,151 --> 02:26:14,730
percent. This is the same recovery rate as fiscal year

2177
02:26:14,751 --> 02:26:20,170
26 and the rate approved today, uh, represents, um, what

2178
02:26:20,431 --> 02:26:25,815
will be used to fund fiscal year 27. The decrease

2179
02:26:25,815 --> 02:26:30,135
in operating costs equals about a 2. 29 percent decrease

2180
02:26:30,316 --> 02:26:33,015
compared to last year. You'll see that tier one rates

2181
02:26:33,055 --> 02:26:39,815
will decrease by seven dollars in 69 cents. So on

2182
02:26:39,916 --> 02:26:42,855
average, uh, that means a decrease just under twenty five

2183
02:26:42,876 --> 02:26:50,814
dollars per year. The proposed 27 assessment, um, is calculated

2184
02:26:50,915 --> 02:26:54,734
at 81 percent cost recovery consistent with last year and

2185
02:26:54,734 --> 02:26:56,654
the general fund will pick up the remaining 19 percent

2186
02:26:56,915 --> 02:27:00,974
as I mentioned. And the total assessment revenue is proposed

2187
02:27:01,075 --> 02:27:07,454
at 66. 85 million, a decrease of approximately 1. 6

2188
02:27:07,955 --> 02:27:15,552
million from last year. Right. Um, and the last line

2189
02:27:15,733 --> 02:27:18,672
provides you with a snapshot of what the cost would

2190
02:27:18,712 --> 02:27:21,392
be for an average single family. You'll see that it

2191
02:27:21,392 --> 02:27:25,632
would be 515 dollars and 43 cents compared to the

2192
02:27:26,293 --> 02:27:31,947
540 dollars in 17 cents last year. Some key investments

2193
02:27:31,947 --> 02:27:35,867
that will be funded through the assessment include implementing replacement

2194
02:27:36,288 --> 02:27:41,627
apparatus schedule station facility maintenance such as painting and flooring.

2195
02:27:41,627 --> 02:27:46,747
Hazmat material analyzer replacement, uh, at HVAC replacement at multiple

2196
02:27:47,008 --> 02:27:53,800
fire stations. With that, I asked for your approval. Okay.

2197
02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:57,720
Thank you very much. I now public hearing anyone wishing

2198
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:02,440
to speak on resolution 223 - 26, please come forward.

2199
02:28:03,529 --> 02:28:07,188
Yes. Cake Coral, the city of Cape Coral is asking

2200
02:28:07,289 --> 02:28:11,028
counsel to approve resolution 223 - 26, setting the 27

2201
02:28:11,209 --> 02:28:15,263
fire services as but right at 81 percent recovery. Let

2202
02:28:15,284 --> 02:28:17,663
the city still is not clearly explained how this works.

2203
02:28:18,799 --> 02:28:22,138
The fire operations fund increased by almost 7 million dollars

2204
02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:27,397
in 2027. At the same time the average homeowner's fire

2205
02:28:27,898 --> 02:28:31,478
FSA is expected to decrease. And the city still calls

2206
02:28:31,499 --> 02:28:35,717
that 81 percent. Math ain't mapping. We know the fiscal

2207
02:28:35,898 --> 02:28:39,077
27 budget uses 1. 8 million more from the general

2208
02:28:39,117 --> 02:28:42,539
fund. And spends almost half your fire fund of 3.

2209
02:28:42,579 --> 02:28:48,837
8 million dollars. So they question the simple. And the

2210
02:28:48,837 --> 02:28:51,397
election year, how does the fit that fire budget go

2211
02:28:51,397 --> 02:28:54,037
up, the FSA go down and the city's still claim

2212
02:28:54,378 --> 02:29:01,834
81 percent cost. And after the election, until the city

2213
02:29:01,935 --> 02:29:05,892
clearly explains this calculation, council should not approve it. Do

2214
02:29:05,932 --> 02:29:09,252
your jobs won't know on this resolution because every taxpayer

2215
02:29:09,353 --> 02:29:19,191
matters. Thank you. Marie

2216
02:29:19,212 --> 02:29:21,511
Kavanaugh. A while back I did a little bit of

2217
02:29:22,012 --> 02:29:24,871
looking into the fire department. And we have somewhere in

2218
02:29:24,871 --> 02:29:30,855
the vicinity of 300 employees total. Yet we have 13

2219
02:29:31,116 --> 02:29:35,404
battalion chiefs. Each as I recall, and I may be

2220
02:29:35,404 --> 02:29:37,644
a little off on some of them are each earning

2221
02:29:38,865 --> 02:29:44,295
over 200, 000 dollars a year. Fort Myers, however, last

2222
02:29:44,316 --> 02:29:48,615
year had three battalion chiefs and they did away with

2223
02:29:48,655 --> 02:29:51,975
those. Now you're very quick to say, oh, well, this

2224
02:29:51,975 --> 02:29:54,935
city has this, this city does this. This CD does,

2225
02:29:54,935 --> 02:29:57,986
yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. But yeah, one of those

2226
02:29:58,007 --> 02:30:02,706
other way. Here we are. We're not denigrating the fire

2227
02:30:02,746 --> 02:30:05,246
department at all and they need to be paid. But

2228
02:30:05,607 --> 02:30:11,300
13 battalion chiefs. Seriously. And Dr. D, you're correct. Prices

2229
02:30:11,300 --> 02:30:13,780
are going up on everything. But yet I have yet.

2230
02:30:14,165 --> 02:30:20,191
To see this council. Take a project and scale it

2231
02:30:20,231 --> 02:30:24,271
back to save money. That is not none. That is

2232
02:30:24,271 --> 02:30:29,083
something that needs to be looked at. JC Park is

2233
02:30:29,123 --> 02:30:32,203
a classic example of that. That thing is a mess.

2234
02:30:32,203 --> 02:30:36,400
It's an 18 million dollar failure. And the city, he

2235
02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:38,480
owes us an explanation as to how it's going to

2236
02:30:38,621 --> 02:30:41,160
get fixed and who is going to pay to get

2237
02:30:41,261 --> 02:30:45,894
it fixed. And it better not be us. Thank you.

2238
02:30:47,115 --> 02:30:51,453
Uh, before you get going there. Gentlemen there in the

2239
02:30:51,453 --> 02:30:54,173
back, it's been speaking. Could you ask him to either

2240
02:30:54,194 --> 02:30:56,973
step outside or just we can hear you up here?

2241
02:30:56,973 --> 02:31:01,693
Thank you. Good Mr. Chair. Wes, it wasn't you. You're

2242
02:31:01,693 --> 02:31:04,888
cool. Just, I'm just going to footstop like I did

2243
02:31:04,928 --> 02:31:08,008
last time. The assessment we all get is really lacking

2244
02:31:08,589 --> 02:31:11,688
in information. I think we should work on correcting it

2245
02:31:11,709 --> 02:31:14,408
for next year. Uh, there should be a comparison of

2246
02:31:14,429 --> 02:31:18,248
what was paid last year, just like our trim notices.

2247
02:31:18,248 --> 02:31:21,128
And especially when it comes to the FSA, how do

2248
02:31:21,128 --> 02:31:26,408
you determine how many FEU tier twos you have? It's

2249
02:31:26,408 --> 02:31:30,168
not explained on the form. It doesn't show why you

2250
02:31:30,168 --> 02:31:36,808
have 40, 60, 70 EBU2s. That should be a topic

2251
02:31:36,848 --> 02:31:39,768
of discussion and interest. It should be comparable to what

2252
02:31:40,029 --> 02:31:42,088
was last year. So you don't have to go hunt

2253
02:31:42,128 --> 02:31:44,808
through everything and figure out everything. Why can't that be

2254
02:31:44,829 --> 02:31:47,768
done? That should be simple. I've complained about it every

2255
02:31:47,768 --> 02:31:50,808
year. Hopefully next year we get that fixed. Thank you.

2256
02:31:53,870 --> 02:31:57,369
Anyone else wishing to speak on resolution 223 - 26.

2257
02:32:00,069 --> 02:32:02,848
See, a none public hearing is now closed. And I'll

2258
02:32:02,848 --> 02:32:06,688
entertain a motion for resolution 223. Motion to approve 223

2259
02:32:06,709 --> 02:32:13,642
- 26. Is there a second. Council member can do.

2260
02:32:15,576 --> 02:32:18,915
Thank you, Mayor. Crystal, will you please explain how the

2261
02:32:19,096 --> 02:32:24,764
FSA goes down. When the operation costs are increasing from

2262
02:32:25,425 --> 02:32:28,604
fiscal year 26, which is adopted to propose fiscal year

2263
02:32:28,705 --> 02:32:32,524
27. It's showing 83. 1 million for 26 and 89.

2264
02:32:32,545 --> 02:32:39,271
9 million for 27. So that is the fire department's

2265
02:32:39,311 --> 02:32:42,951
total budget, which includes other services outside of the fire

2266
02:32:42,972 --> 02:32:47,591
protection services, which is what we're approving tonight, the rate

2267
02:32:47,591 --> 02:32:51,911
for that service tonight. Uh, it also includes EMS, which

2268
02:32:53,372 --> 02:32:56,311
is funded by the general fund. Um, and so that's

2269
02:32:56,311 --> 02:32:59,431
why the total department budget can come up while you

2270
02:32:59,431 --> 02:33:06,711
see the amount used in our recovery calculation goes down,

2271
02:33:06,711 --> 02:33:09,031
causes the rate to go down. So if I can

2272
02:33:09,071 --> 02:33:12,871
get the. Yeah, showing general fund 1. 8 million in

2273
02:33:12,871 --> 02:33:16,311
reserves 3. 8 million. So, um, when we're using the

2274
02:33:16,351 --> 02:33:19,591
reserves, then next year, the huge increase. And you talked

2275
02:33:19,591 --> 02:33:21,911
about this on July 22nd as well that you weren't

2276
02:33:21,932 --> 02:33:25,031
funding the fire stations. And then that would be proposed

2277
02:33:25,031 --> 02:33:27,991
for 28 and beyond. Yeah. So two things. So the

2278
02:33:28,031 --> 02:33:31,991
reserve that's in the budget is for encumbrances. We've worked.

2279
02:33:32,492 --> 02:33:37,111
This for fiscal year 27, we're estimating encumbrances. Um, instead

2280
02:33:37,111 --> 02:33:41,191
of what we've done in prior years where we've analyzed

2281
02:33:41,231 --> 02:33:46,071
those, after year in, after the budgets adopted. As part

2282
02:33:46,071 --> 02:33:50,415
of BA1. Which can sometimes in some years be a

2283
02:33:50,415 --> 02:33:54,455
large increase only months after the budget is approved. So

2284
02:33:54,836 --> 02:33:58,575
based on discussions with counsel last time, we did that.

2285
02:33:58,575 --> 02:34:02,335
Last time we adopted a BA1 for fiscal year 26,

2286
02:34:02,335 --> 02:34:04,655
council expressed an interest in us trying to estimate that

2287
02:34:04,756 --> 02:34:06,735
as part of the adopted budget so that we're not

2288
02:34:06,775 --> 02:34:11,135
taking a large hit, um, incorporating a large increase with

2289
02:34:11,156 --> 02:34:15,375
BA1. So that is what we're doing with this proposed

2290
02:34:15,415 --> 02:34:18,575
budget. So that use of fund balance is the use

2291
02:34:18,615 --> 02:34:22,975
of assigned fund balance to cover fiscal year 26 encumbrances

2292
02:34:23,076 --> 02:34:25,935
that we estimate will need to be carried for it.

2293
02:34:25,935 --> 02:34:30,575
So that, that's what that is for. As far as,

2294
02:34:30,575 --> 02:34:34,664
what was your other part of that question. Just how

2295
02:34:34,685 --> 02:34:38,264
we have our operations increases, but you said EMS. Yep.

2296
02:34:38,304 --> 02:34:40,584
And then the fire stations was together. Question that you

2297
02:34:40,624 --> 02:34:43,624
had. Um, so the plan for the fire stations is

2298
02:34:43,885 --> 02:34:47,544
in fiscal year 27, we have design and apparatus scheduled

2299
02:34:48,125 --> 02:34:51,464
for fire station 14. And what we've done in future

2300
02:34:51,504 --> 02:34:57,864
years, the plan is to, um, build in 10 million

2301
02:34:57,904 --> 02:35:03,624
for construction next year. Um, so we can operate on

2302
02:35:03,645 --> 02:35:06,584
a pay as you go basis to fund and construct

2303
02:35:07,725 --> 02:35:10,884
the next three fire stations. Um, that was, you know,

2304
02:35:11,885 --> 02:35:14,584
kind of, we thought that was the better approach given

2305
02:35:14,584 --> 02:35:16,664
the fact that there was a desire to try to

2306
02:35:17,005 --> 02:35:20,184
reduce, you know, our use of our, of the city's

2307
02:35:20,224 --> 02:35:24,184
debt capacity, right? So we are trying to build in,

2308
02:35:24,184 --> 02:35:26,344
pay as you go plan for the next three fire

2309
02:35:26,384 --> 02:35:30,904
stations. Next fiscal year includes design for 14 construction the

2310
02:35:30,904 --> 02:35:34,984
year after design construction. And so we, our plan is

2311
02:35:34,984 --> 02:35:38,744
to build that into the assessment calculation. Okay. And I

2312
02:35:38,744 --> 02:35:41,304
guess, uh, why didn't we just continue to do that

2313
02:35:41,645 --> 02:35:45,563
this year. We have not done that before. Okay. So

2314
02:35:45,744 --> 02:35:48,864
why are we doing it in the future. Based on

2315
02:35:49,085 --> 02:35:53,384
discussions with council and prior budget workshops, um, we did

2316
02:35:53,565 --> 02:35:57,144
a presentation on this where there was a desire to

2317
02:35:57,565 --> 02:36:02,030
try to reduce our use of debt. Where we could.

2318
02:36:02,030 --> 02:36:04,830
This was in a way to work on a pay

2319
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:08,920
as you go basis to fund those projects. Right. So

2320
02:36:09,741 --> 02:36:13,160
we're lowering the FSA, but if we kept it where

2321
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:16,760
it was or higher, we would already start that reserve,

2322
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:20,200
so to speak to fund the future fire stations? Well,

2323
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:22,440
what's built in for next year are built into the

2324
02:36:22,480 --> 02:36:25,440
calculation is the design. So we have started it. So

2325
02:36:25,440 --> 02:36:28,525
the design is built in. On the slide that we

2326
02:36:28,565 --> 02:36:32,765
have up, if you look at the first line, which

2327
02:36:32,765 --> 02:36:36,205
provides you this assessment revenue for fiscal year 26, that's

2328
02:36:36,205 --> 02:36:40,445
68. 4 compared to fiscal year 27, the 66. 9.

2329
02:36:42,026 --> 02:36:47,125
Last year's assessment included a number of capital, um, purchases

2330
02:36:47,306 --> 02:36:49,845
and projects, uh, that were approved as part of the

2331
02:36:50,106 --> 02:36:55,765
fire department's program modifications. Um, this year, those modifications were

2332
02:36:55,786 --> 02:36:58,805
presented to council and council chose not to fund those.

2333
02:36:58,805 --> 02:37:01,765
And so that also represents, that is also a representation

2334
02:37:01,765 --> 02:37:04,805
of why that number is less compared to last year.

2335
02:37:04,805 --> 02:37:11,701
Okay. Thank you. Council member Steinke. Thank you, Mayor. I

2336
02:37:11,741 --> 02:37:14,661
just wanted to remind all those that are still here

2337
02:37:15,002 --> 02:37:18,021
and those that might be watching from home, uh, that

2338
02:37:19,162 --> 02:37:22,581
we, we began a couple of years ago, uh, having

2339
02:37:22,581 --> 02:37:28,181
a budget town hall here for the, uh, facility of

2340
02:37:28,282 --> 02:37:32,101
any citizens that were concerned about how these numbers were

2341
02:37:32,282 --> 02:37:35,541
established. What was going to make up the assessment? Why

2342
02:37:35,581 --> 02:37:39,781
the numbers were what they were in the budget? Which

2343
02:37:39,962 --> 02:37:46,101
personnel we're being, uh, reduced all of that. And so

2344
02:37:47,002 --> 02:37:50,261
like we said before, this is for memorialization of, of

2345
02:37:50,282 --> 02:37:53,861
that entire process that came along the way. And I

2346
02:37:53,901 --> 02:37:57,061
find it interesting that, um, on the first assessment we

2347
02:37:57,101 --> 02:38:00,101
dealt with, uh, it was a slight increase. And that

2348
02:38:00,842 --> 02:38:03,381
we were asked to say no to that. Uh, the

2349
02:38:03,421 --> 02:38:06,021
second one remained the same. And we were asked to

2350
02:38:06,061 --> 02:38:07,621
say no to that. And now we have one that's

2351
02:38:07,621 --> 02:38:09,781
being reduced. And we're being asked to say no to

2352
02:38:09,781 --> 02:38:12,261
that. Um, and yet when I was here for the

2353
02:38:12,301 --> 02:38:15,541
budgetown hall that we had and the fire department was

2354
02:38:15,642 --> 02:38:18,421
here to talk about all of these numbers, I don't

2355
02:38:18,461 --> 02:38:20,581
think there were half a dozen people that went to

2356
02:38:20,621 --> 02:38:23,061
the table to ask any questions about why these numbers

2357
02:38:23,242 --> 02:38:25,941
are the way they are. So from a full and

2358
02:38:25,962 --> 02:38:29,701
fair disclosure or full transparency basis, there are many times

2359
02:38:30,682 --> 02:38:35,141
that are given for full understanding of why the numbers

2360
02:38:35,141 --> 02:38:38,261
are, uh, the way they are. So I would encourage

2361
02:38:39,962 --> 02:38:43,301
in the next budget cycle, uh, to get involved earlier

2362
02:38:44,122 --> 02:38:47,161
to come to the, to the town hall. A lot

2363
02:38:47,161 --> 02:38:49,621
of effort is put into making sure that we have

2364
02:38:49,802 --> 02:38:53,861
resources there. Uh, and all the facts behind where all

2365
02:38:53,901 --> 02:38:56,421
these numbers are coming from when they, when they come

2366
02:38:56,421 --> 02:39:02,501
down to a number as specific as 66, 845, 893,

2367
02:39:02,501 --> 02:39:03,861
that's the time you can ask. How did you come

2368
02:39:03,861 --> 02:39:06,261
up with that number? And where did that come from?

2369
02:39:06,842 --> 02:39:10,421
Uh, and so before we ever get here, the questions

2370
02:39:10,442 --> 02:39:14,101
that can be answered to have the clarity, uh, and

2371
02:39:14,101 --> 02:39:18,101
the understanding that we've been going through when we're asked

2372
02:39:18,141 --> 02:39:21,541
to approve what's before us. So that's it, Mayor. Thank

2373
02:39:21,541 --> 02:39:24,661
you. Council member long. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, just a

2374
02:39:24,661 --> 02:39:29,051
quick observation since this is our third assessment. Presentation that

2375
02:39:29,091 --> 02:39:31,931
we received. In the last two, uh, we were presented

2376
02:39:31,971 --> 02:39:36,171
with charts that showed where our rates were at in

2377
02:39:36,192 --> 02:39:38,703
relation to other cities. You can't help but notice that

2378
02:39:38,703 --> 02:39:41,946
we don't have that same information on this one. The

2379
02:39:41,946 --> 02:39:44,506
implication to me obviously is that it probably isn't as

2380
02:39:44,506 --> 02:39:47,466
favorable, but maybe you might be able to explain. No,

2381
02:39:47,647 --> 02:39:51,946
when I did research across the state, um, the methodology,

2382
02:39:51,946 --> 02:39:57,466
uh, for, for our specific assessment was different than what

2383
02:39:57,466 --> 02:39:59,866
I could find across the board, you know, other cities

2384
02:39:59,967 --> 02:40:03,786
adopted different methodology. Some didn't have the tier one, tier

2385
02:40:03,786 --> 02:40:06,906
two approach. It was just a fixed cost. Um, some

2386
02:40:06,927 --> 02:40:10,806
did have the tier approach, but using a different, uh,

2387
02:40:12,447 --> 02:40:14,426
methodology built in. So I didn't think it would be

2388
02:40:14,447 --> 02:40:18,266
valuable. It wouldn't represent a true comparison. And so it

2389
02:40:18,266 --> 02:40:22,154
would be your position than that same explanation. Wouldn't be

2390
02:40:22,175 --> 02:40:25,914
relative to the stormwater collection assessments, for example, that we

2391
02:40:25,914 --> 02:40:29,034
already voted on. And we're provided information on. I'm sorry.

2392
02:40:29,215 --> 02:40:31,834
The stormwater assessments that we already voted on. So those

2393
02:40:32,015 --> 02:40:34,935
are, those are all applied uniformly. Based on the figures

2394
02:40:34,975 --> 02:40:39,810
that we received. The methodologies work more comparable. They were

2395
02:40:39,810 --> 02:40:42,770
closed. Some used ERA, some used what they called an

2396
02:40:42,770 --> 02:40:48,139
ESU. But the approach was very similar. So I, my

2397
02:40:48,179 --> 02:40:51,019
professional opinion, I felt it was still valuable to the

2398
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:54,139
public and to you to use and to show. It

2399
02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:58,646
was just vastly different for do the work. And go

2400
02:40:58,646 --> 02:41:02,486
through and figure out where those formulas differentiated and basically

2401
02:41:02,526 --> 02:41:04,246
get down to the brass tacks of it all as

2402
02:41:04,246 --> 02:41:06,612
far as per dwelling unit. Uh, which a lot of

2403
02:41:06,612 --> 02:41:08,352
them are reflected. But I understand what you're saying with

2404
02:41:08,352 --> 02:41:09,952
the tier one and tier two. Would it be your

2405
02:41:09,952 --> 02:41:11,792
position that we would be situated at the higher end

2406
02:41:11,832 --> 02:41:13,312
of that or the lower end of that for our

2407
02:41:13,573 --> 02:41:18,292
FSA rates per residential dwelling. For the rate. Like we're

2408
02:41:18,292 --> 02:41:22,754
looking at 515. For example, Fort Lauderdale's like 350. Fort

2409
02:41:22,794 --> 02:41:26,754
Myers is like 200. I'm not in a position to

2410
02:41:27,015 --> 02:41:28,914
really give an opinion on it because I haven't done

2411
02:41:28,954 --> 02:41:32,674
that deep of a dive in the comparing the methodology.

2412
02:41:32,674 --> 02:41:34,034
I would wager that we were probably at the top

2413
02:41:34,034 --> 02:41:35,934
of that matrix. So, you know, I would love to

2414
02:41:35,934 --> 02:41:38,525
see that information. I understand. The point that you're making

2415
02:41:38,565 --> 02:41:40,565
with regards to us maybe being a little different. I

2416
02:41:40,565 --> 02:41:42,125
think that probably is a blind doll. The other ones

2417
02:41:42,226 --> 02:41:46,000
too. Um, if we could get that information, I would

2418
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:49,026
love that. Just, it's tough to look at it and

2419
02:41:49,047 --> 02:41:52,081
see that. The charts that we see where we're at

2420
02:41:52,081 --> 02:41:54,765
the bottom end. We parade out. But we're, in my

2421
02:41:54,765 --> 02:41:57,145
opinion, we're probably at the high end they're absent. Um,

2422
02:41:57,826 --> 02:42:00,285
that doesn't sit right with me. I'm not. I don't

2423
02:42:00,325 --> 02:42:03,054
know if we are or not. Okay. Well, I would

2424
02:42:03,054 --> 02:42:05,694
love to find out into that, uh, to that point.

2425
02:42:05,694 --> 02:42:08,094
So, um, and that would be my only comment on

2426
02:42:08,094 --> 02:42:09,774
this one, Mayor. And I do obviously appreciate the fact

2427
02:42:09,814 --> 02:42:12,894
that it's dropping. Um, we did raise this what I

2428
02:42:12,894 --> 02:42:14,734
believe last year. I was a no vote during that

2429
02:42:14,734 --> 02:42:16,814
race. Uh, I'm going to be a no this year

2430
02:42:16,814 --> 02:42:18,654
for that exact reason, even though it is lowering the

2431
02:42:18,755 --> 02:42:20,414
rate. Just want to put that out there. Thank you.

2432
02:42:22,657 --> 02:42:24,956
Just one quick thing I wanted to mention, as you

2433
02:42:24,956 --> 02:42:27,196
can see, the average single family home based on this

2434
02:42:27,537 --> 02:42:31,883
chart's 270, about 275, 000 dollars. I know an individual

2435
02:42:31,904 --> 02:42:35,083
that lives in Cape Royal, which we all know is

2436
02:42:35,264 --> 02:42:38,923
an enclave of, uh, Cape Coral. So they, they, they

2437
02:42:38,963 --> 02:42:42,110
pay a fire district. But just to put it in

2438
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:46,946
perspective, that individual wounds a home. Is assessed value is

2439
02:42:46,986 --> 02:42:50,354
about 690, 000. It's about two and a half times.

2440
02:42:51,476 --> 02:42:55,775
Uh, the average single family home that's listed on this

2441
02:42:55,796 --> 02:42:59,814
chart. If you take two and a half times of

2442
02:42:59,995 --> 02:43:03,254
the 515 that takes you up to about 1287 dollars.

2443
02:43:06,241 --> 02:43:10,140
Cape Coral with a home value of about 690, 000

2444
02:43:10,241 --> 02:43:15,366
is going to pay. In your FSA. He pays 3,

2445
02:43:15,366 --> 02:43:18,958
000 dollars. To the Matt Lachey fire district. For his

2446
02:43:18,979 --> 02:43:22,202
fire service alone. So I just wanted to kind of

2447
02:43:22,202 --> 02:43:26,030
put that in perspective. In a community that's an enclave

2448
02:43:26,451 --> 02:43:31,049
within Cape Girl. That more than likely, uh, there was

2449
02:43:31,089 --> 02:43:34,329
a fire in that community. Because of our mutual heat

2450
02:43:34,329 --> 02:43:36,945
agreement, we'd be going there anyway. But I just thought

2451
02:43:36,985 --> 02:43:39,889
that was important to mention what he's paying. In relation

2452
02:43:39,929 --> 02:43:43,889
to that same home value house would pay here in

2453
02:43:43,889 --> 02:43:48,630
the city of Cape Coral. Uh, Council Member Steinke. Thank

2454
02:43:48,630 --> 02:43:51,510
you, Mayor. Uh, just a couple of things. One is

2455
02:43:53,451 --> 02:43:55,910
there's, I think I mentioned it before there is a

2456
02:43:56,171 --> 02:43:58,310
tool that you can use that's available to you as

2457
02:43:58,331 --> 02:44:02,150
a citizen. If you just Google Cape Coral checkbook, um,

2458
02:44:02,411 --> 02:44:04,950
you can go and take a look at, um, how

2459
02:44:04,971 --> 02:44:08,070
each one of these compares to other cities around us,

2460
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:10,150
not as many cities as it was on that bar

2461
02:44:10,171 --> 02:44:12,710
graph. But I know that one thing that is true

2462
02:44:13,211 --> 02:44:16,630
and maybe Mr. City Manager can speak to it. There

2463
02:44:16,630 --> 02:44:20,470
are some cities that actually partner with the county for

2464
02:44:20,571 --> 02:44:24,070
fire services and cost gets spread out where the actual

2465
02:44:24,331 --> 02:44:28,870
cost for fire shows up in a, in a county,

2466
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:32,550
uh, receipt, if you will, than it does a city

2467
02:44:33,211 --> 02:44:37,670
receipt. And so even with how the, how the FSA

2468
02:44:37,771 --> 02:44:43,190
is calculated being different, uh, as was presented to us,

2469
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:47,430
oftentimes it's not a matter of calculations how it's paid,

2470
02:44:47,430 --> 02:44:49,590
um, that it wouldn't necessarily be paid to the city,

2471
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:52,390
but it might be paid through a county partnering. Is

2472
02:44:52,411 --> 02:44:56,298
that not true. That is true. There's a, there's a

2473
02:44:56,298 --> 02:45:00,138
number of reasons why fire is really hard to, to

2474
02:45:00,138 --> 02:45:04,198
compare apples to apples. One being that specifically that, um,

2475
02:45:04,559 --> 02:45:07,418
so for example, take our sister city port st. Lucie,

2476
02:45:07,418 --> 02:45:10,105
port st. Lucie does not have a fire department. So

2477
02:45:10,286 --> 02:45:12,105
a lot of people like to compare them to keep

2478
02:45:12,446 --> 02:45:16,185
coral. But their staff does not have to respond to

2479
02:45:17,006 --> 02:45:19,625
manage or oversee or counsel doesn't even have to budget

2480
02:45:19,806 --> 02:45:23,715
for a fire department. So in that case, they, they

2481
02:45:23,755 --> 02:45:26,275
go through a fire district similar to what the mayor

2482
02:45:26,376 --> 02:45:33,615
just said about, um, the, the mat was able, uh,

2483
02:45:33,736 --> 02:45:38,128
is that we in the city of Cape Coral. Put

2484
02:45:38,168 --> 02:45:44,768
a priority on the personal response, the medics. And so

2485
02:45:44,808 --> 02:45:49,168
we have all of, um, we have paramedics in advanced

2486
02:45:49,189 --> 02:45:52,949
life support. On our trucks. You do not see that

2487
02:45:53,130 --> 02:45:58,060
in all, all, um, fire departments throughout the state. But

2488
02:45:58,241 --> 02:46:01,420
our community wants that because the cause they go to

2489
02:46:01,921 --> 02:46:05,100
where we want somebody not to wait for an ambulance

2490
02:46:05,441 --> 02:46:10,940
to provide service immediately. We pay that premium. You compare

2491
02:46:10,940 --> 02:46:13,420
us to a department that does not provide that level

2492
02:46:13,601 --> 02:46:16,704
of service. Of course they're going to be cheaper, but

2493
02:46:17,545 --> 02:46:19,844
your response time for that is going to be a

2494
02:46:19,844 --> 02:46:22,884
lot longer while you're sitting there in an emergency waiting

2495
02:46:22,884 --> 02:46:27,250
for somebody from the county to show up. Uh, additionally,

2496
02:46:27,250 --> 02:46:29,250
as you all know, even with the city, we only

2497
02:46:29,431 --> 02:46:34,850
recover 81 percent of our fire department costs through the

2498
02:46:34,871 --> 02:46:38,752
FSA. So even if crystal were to look at what

2499
02:46:38,773 --> 02:46:42,592
the other departments recover through their FSA, if they have

2500
02:46:42,693 --> 02:46:47,072
one, it may be a 20 percent cost recovery cost

2501
02:46:47,093 --> 02:46:50,032
recovery So there are, there are a lot of reasons

2502
02:46:50,293 --> 02:46:53,392
why from the fire perspective, it's just, it's just hard

2503
02:46:53,733 --> 02:47:03,329
to do an apples to apples comparison. Okay. Uh,

2504
02:47:04,390 --> 02:47:06,609
Councilmember? Yeah, that was it. I mean, my point was,

2505
02:47:06,609 --> 02:47:09,489
I think still stands. I think to the last thing,

2506
02:47:09,489 --> 02:47:12,049
if they were only doing a 50 percent recovery, wasn't

2507
02:47:12,049 --> 02:47:13,729
that the point? Is there charging their residents less? I

2508
02:47:13,729 --> 02:47:16,849
mean, my only main point is that it's awfully convenient

2509
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:19,009
that anytime that we're in a position where it seems

2510
02:47:19,009 --> 02:47:20,769
like we might be on the higher end of the

2511
02:47:20,809 --> 02:47:24,449
spectrum, there's all these new wants approaches that this makes

2512
02:47:24,470 --> 02:47:26,769
us different. So it's okay that we might be on

2513
02:47:26,809 --> 02:47:31,011
that spectrum. Um, the mayor, I appreciate the point you're

2514
02:47:31,011 --> 02:47:34,051
making, but again, if we're cherry picking data, that poor

2515
02:47:34,091 --> 02:47:40,723
guy, Matt Lachey's paying 300, three thousand dollars. They have

2516
02:47:40,723 --> 02:47:43,123
a flat rate for their residential and it's like 350

2517
02:47:43,163 --> 02:47:45,123
dollars. We give a damn how big his house is.

2518
02:47:45,123 --> 02:47:47,363
So you can pick and choose and throw numbers around

2519
02:47:47,624 --> 02:47:49,443
to meet your thing. But what I'm saying is we

2520
02:47:49,443 --> 02:47:51,283
shouldn't be doing that. We should be getting the same

2521
02:47:51,384 --> 02:47:54,243
exact data that's being used to justify every single assessment

2522
02:47:54,664 --> 02:47:59,683
on every single assessment presentation, period. Because when we don't,

2523
02:47:59,683 --> 02:48:01,523
you leave that void open and then the void of

2524
02:48:01,563 --> 02:48:05,843
truth is what? So that's my only point here. Thank

2525
02:48:05,843 --> 02:48:10,449
you. Mr. Zai Manager. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted

2526
02:48:10,470 --> 02:48:13,809
to answer the question for, uh, there was a question

2527
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:16,849
about what is tier one, tier two. And so for

2528
02:48:16,889 --> 02:48:19,729
those members of the community who have not been here

2529
02:48:20,230 --> 02:48:24,849
very long, um, our fire service assessment was taking all

2530
02:48:24,889 --> 02:48:28,449
the way to the Florida Supreme Court and upheld to

2531
02:48:28,489 --> 02:48:32,369
be a valid fire service assessment. There is a report

2532
02:48:32,470 --> 02:48:35,629
out there that I think will answer every question, um,

2533
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:38,689
that anyone has about how it is built and what

2534
02:48:38,729 --> 02:48:44,529
was upheld by the Supreme Court. It's dated 822 2013.

2535
02:48:44,529 --> 02:48:48,849
And it actually has exactly what you want to know

2536
02:48:48,889 --> 02:48:52,769
about tier one, tier two, how certain costs are a

2537
02:48:52,769 --> 02:48:55,409
portion. The name of the study is city of Cape

2538
02:48:55,409 --> 02:49:00,068
Coral Fire Rescue non - Advilorum assessment study. On page

2539
02:49:00,249 --> 02:49:03,858
16 through 20. If you have a chance to look

2540
02:49:03,879 --> 02:49:08,098
at that report every single line item in the fire

2541
02:49:08,098 --> 02:49:12,498
department budget is looked at on whether or not it

2542
02:49:12,538 --> 02:49:14,978
is a benefit to a real property or to a

2543
02:49:15,018 --> 02:49:19,194
real person. If it's a benefit or a portion, any

2544
02:49:19,194 --> 02:49:21,214
of that cost is a portion to a real person.

2545
02:49:21,469 --> 02:49:25,208
It is not legally allowed to be in the fire

2546
02:49:25,248 --> 02:49:28,444
service assessment. So you will see every line broken out

2547
02:49:28,945 --> 02:49:31,724
at 1. 7 percent of this is to a person.

2548
02:49:31,724 --> 02:49:35,564
So only 98. 3 percent can be put into the

2549
02:49:35,604 --> 02:49:39,484
assessment of this. And then all the other costs are

2550
02:49:39,985 --> 02:49:44,844
up to 100 percent allocatable to the fire service assessment.

2551
02:49:46,269 --> 02:49:51,368
Additionally, um, if you, I think I misspoke there, I'm

2552
02:49:51,368 --> 02:49:54,808
sorry, 16 through, yeah, 16 through 20 is the, the

2553
02:49:54,829 --> 02:49:58,208
line item allocation distribution. And then if you want to

2554
02:49:58,208 --> 02:50:00,648
know about how, what is in, how is tier one

2555
02:50:01,469 --> 02:50:06,248
and tier two, uh, developed. There is an entire write

2556
02:50:06,288 --> 02:50:11,608
up, uh, tier one is assigned to every parcel equally.

2557
02:50:12,537 --> 02:50:19,970
Whether it's improved or unimproved. And the thought there is,

2558
02:50:19,970 --> 02:50:23,810
our fire department is ready to serve whether a call

2559
02:50:23,850 --> 02:50:27,393
comes in or not. And there can equally be a

2560
02:50:27,494 --> 02:50:33,981
fire on any one of those properties. So tier one

2561
02:50:34,082 --> 02:50:37,181
is the cost that we need to have our fire

2562
02:50:37,221 --> 02:50:42,790
department ready and available to take a call. Those costs

2563
02:50:42,811 --> 02:50:47,430
are identified. And then broken out on a per parcel

2564
02:50:47,470 --> 02:50:54,770
basis. Tier two goes to the level of protection. That

2565
02:50:54,951 --> 02:51:00,106
the structure on the property obtains. In the report is

2566
02:51:00,146 --> 02:51:04,666
specifically states that tier two all improved properties with structures

2567
02:51:05,247 --> 02:51:09,124
on them receive an additional benefit. Of protection from the

2568
02:51:09,465 --> 02:51:14,014
loss of the structures due to fire. As follows. Maintenance

2569
02:51:14,054 --> 02:51:17,916
of minimum cost of insurance. By providing a favorable ISO

2570
02:51:17,956 --> 02:51:20,716
rating, the city provides property owner with the ability obtained

2571
02:51:20,977 --> 02:51:25,416
fire insurance out of favorable rate. And the benefit, if

2572
02:51:25,416 --> 02:51:27,616
not insured, if not insured, the property owners would have

2573
02:51:27,637 --> 02:51:32,176
assurance that they have protected from actual economic loss from

2574
02:51:32,176 --> 02:51:35,618
their structures. And it goes on and on. So based

2575
02:51:35,618 --> 02:51:40,218
on the value of the structure on the property, we

2576
02:51:40,218 --> 02:51:44,484
get that certified from the property appraiser. We know exactly

2577
02:51:44,665 --> 02:51:47,684
what the land value is and what the structure value

2578
02:51:47,684 --> 02:51:54,702
is. We divide the structure value in five, That's how

2579
02:51:54,702 --> 02:51:59,015
we create an EBU. So if you have a hundred

2580
02:51:59,015 --> 02:52:03,255
thousand dollar property, you're 20 EBUs. If you have a

2581
02:52:03,516 --> 02:52:09,285
200, 000 dollar property, you're 40 EBUs. The tier two

2582
02:52:09,306 --> 02:52:13,685
component, the cost of actually not the readiness to serve

2583
02:52:13,946 --> 02:52:16,485
the cost that we would have regardless of one call

2584
02:52:16,666 --> 02:52:21,577
ever came in. The other consumable costs go into tier

2585
02:52:21,577 --> 02:52:25,098
two. And then tier two is divided out by the

2586
02:52:25,279 --> 02:52:28,938
total number of EBUs. So somebody that has a 200,

2587
02:52:28,978 --> 02:52:34,858
000 dollar structure on tier one, but on tier two,

2588
02:52:34,858 --> 02:52:36,698
they're going to pay higher than somebody that has a

2589
02:52:36,698 --> 02:52:42,262
hundred thousand dollar structure. That is also written into resolution

2590
02:52:42,843 --> 02:52:46,982
223 - 26, which is before the council tonight, section

2591
02:52:47,083 --> 02:52:53,281
six E2 spells that out. Thank you. Okay, seeing no

2592
02:52:53,321 --> 02:52:56,081
other, hold on a minute. Quick one. Where would where

2593
02:52:56,081 --> 02:52:58,561
was that Mississippi manager? Coach, you know, I like to

2594
02:52:58,582 --> 02:53:01,397
send this out. Where I'm on the website right now.

2595
02:53:01,397 --> 02:53:03,557
Where can we find that outside of resolution on our

2596
02:53:03,978 --> 02:53:07,339
city council website on the city government website. I didn't

2597
02:53:07,379 --> 02:53:10,519
do a direct crosswalk. I could send that to, but

2598
02:53:10,519 --> 02:53:13,179
if you just, if you just type in Cape Coral

2599
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:17,179
fire service assessment and do a search, the 2013 study

2600
02:53:17,219 --> 02:53:20,939
will come up. It is on our, let me see

2601
02:53:20,939 --> 02:53:24,059
if I can on our website where everybody, cause you

2602
02:53:24,059 --> 02:53:27,059
know, we always counsel go through this transparency thing. So

2603
02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:30,459
what I'm hearing you say, all those in the backup,

2604
02:53:30,459 --> 02:53:33,327
is it on the website. Yes, sir. I'm just found

2605
02:53:33,428 --> 02:53:36,047
the directory to it. So it's under city, Cape Coral

2606
02:53:37,188 --> 02:53:39,487
page. If you click on the government tab, go to

2607
02:53:39,668 --> 02:53:43,487
city managers. There's a link there for fire service assessment.

2608
02:53:43,487 --> 02:53:47,831
Thank you. That's all Mayor. Madam City clerk, we already

2609
02:53:47,871 --> 02:53:51,597
got a motion, right? Yes, sir. Caught a roll. Please.

2610
02:53:52,658 --> 02:53:59,730
Kill rain. Aye. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. No. Steinkey?

2611
02:53:59,770 --> 02:54:06,920
Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? No. Six eyes, two

2612
02:54:06,920 --> 02:54:11,249
nays motion carried. All right. Let's move on to resolution

2613
02:54:11,590 --> 02:54:16,578
224 - 26. Madam City Clark, please read title. Resolution

2614
02:54:16,999 --> 02:54:20,818
224 - 26. A resolution of the mayor and city

2615
02:54:20,858 --> 02:54:24,018
council of the city of Cape Floral, Florida. Approving the

2616
02:54:24,199 --> 02:54:29,218
fiscal year 2026 to 2027 non - ad valoreum assessment

2617
02:54:29,239 --> 02:54:34,338
role for assessments imposed to fund law mowing services, approving

2618
02:54:34,378 --> 02:54:37,458
the assessment rates for such fiscal year and providing for

2619
02:54:37,498 --> 02:54:40,898
collection of the assessments pursue it to the uniform assessment

2620
02:54:40,919 --> 02:54:44,658
collection act, providing for several ability and providing for an

2621
02:54:44,679 --> 02:54:51,177
effective date. Turn over to staff. Thank you. All right.

2622
02:54:51,438 --> 02:54:55,497
This presentation concerns the lot mowing assessment and final resolution

2623
02:54:55,918 --> 02:55:02,141
establishing the rate for next fiscal year. Again, chapter 17

2624
02:55:02,162 --> 02:55:05,101
of the city code provides a uniform process for imposing

2625
02:55:05,922 --> 02:55:09,741
and annually administering assessments for a central services and capital

2626
02:55:09,781 --> 02:55:15,181
improvements. The introductory resolution was approved July 22nd. Um, which

2627
02:55:15,362 --> 02:55:19,661
allowed us to notify the affected property owners, which we

2628
02:55:19,701 --> 02:55:22,941
did, uh, the first week of August. And we're before

2629
02:55:22,981 --> 02:55:29,306
you tonight for final resolution of those fees. The city's

2630
02:55:29,327 --> 02:55:33,066
a lot mowing program provides mowing invasive vegetation removal and

2631
02:55:33,106 --> 02:55:38,986
burrowing owl nest trimming for unimproved lots enrolled in voluntarily

2632
02:55:39,167 --> 02:55:45,126
enrolled into the program, approximately 31, 000 parcels participate. And

2633
02:55:45,126 --> 02:55:48,586
the program across four districts. Lots are mode 13 times

2634
02:55:48,847 --> 02:55:54,186
annually. Generally from February through December services also include removal

2635
02:55:54,226 --> 02:55:58,746
of exotic and invasive vegetation and burrowing owl nest trimming

2636
02:55:58,786 --> 02:56:03,386
from May through January. Our rates are calculated using an

2637
02:56:03,386 --> 02:56:06,186
equivalent lot unit, R - E - L - Equal

2638
02:56:06,186 --> 02:56:09,546
to 5, 000 square feet. Uh, this approach applies the

2639
02:56:09,807 --> 02:56:16,513
assessment proportionately based on the size of each lot. The

2640
02:56:16,553 --> 02:56:20,193
program covers four districts within Cape Coral. Each district has

2641
02:56:20,233 --> 02:56:24,273
its own assessment rate, reflecting the specific needs and characteristics

2642
02:56:24,273 --> 02:56:29,634
of that area. The proposed assessment rates for fiscal year

2643
02:56:29,975 --> 02:56:34,034
27 compared to the current year, um, and as you've

2644
02:56:34,034 --> 02:56:36,914
shown on the table, um, all districts will receive a

2645
02:56:36,914 --> 02:56:40,914
modest increase in the rate per ELU. And that increase

2646
02:56:41,095 --> 02:56:46,194
is attributed to overall, um, increased in fuel surcharges and

2647
02:56:46,215 --> 02:56:50,194
increase in personnel expenses for those employees working the program.

2648
02:56:53,261 --> 02:56:57,400
For a standard parcel, this is two ELUs. So the

2649
02:56:57,400 --> 02:57:02,360
annual assessment rate, they can expect a range from 96.

2650
02:57:02,461 --> 02:57:07,640
86 to 151 dollars and 78 cents depending on the

2651
02:57:07,741 --> 02:57:12,823
district. With that, I asked for your approval. Hey, thank

2652
02:57:12,823 --> 02:57:16,263
you. I opened up public hearing anyone wishing to speak

2653
02:57:16,263 --> 02:57:23,084
on resolution 224 - 26. Please come forward. See, a

2654
02:57:23,124 --> 02:57:25,564
non - public hearings now close and I'll entertain a

2655
02:57:25,604 --> 02:57:30,364
motion for resolution 224 - 26. Motion to approve. Second.

2656
02:57:31,189 --> 02:57:34,962
Any council discussion. See, a non - Madam City clerk,

2657
02:57:34,962 --> 02:57:39,792
please call the role. Kill rain. Aye. Lastra. Aye. Lehman.

2658
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:47,099
Aye. Long. Aye. Steinkee? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk?

2659
02:57:47,139 --> 02:57:50,710
Aye. Eight ayes, motion carried. Okay, move on to resolution

2660
02:57:50,971 --> 02:57:54,070
225 - 26, Madam City Clark. Please read the title.

2661
02:57:57,209 --> 02:58:01,428
Resolution 225 - 26. A resolution of the mayor and

2662
02:58:01,449 --> 02:58:04,468
city council of the city of Cape Coral, Florida. Approving

2663
02:58:04,468 --> 02:58:09,588
the fiscal year 2026 to 2027 non - adviloram assessment

2664
02:58:09,609 --> 02:58:14,948
role for assessments imposed to collect certain delinquent water, wastewater,

2665
02:58:15,049 --> 02:58:19,908
irrigation, fire service non - advalorum special assessments and capital

2666
02:58:19,929 --> 02:58:24,388
expansion and contributions in aid of construction loans. Approving the

2667
02:58:24,409 --> 02:58:28,148
amounts and providing for the collection of the assessments pursuant

2668
02:58:28,148 --> 02:58:30,788
to the uniform assessment collection act and providing for an

2669
02:58:30,889 --> 02:58:37,839
effective date. Okay, thank you, alternative staff. Thank you. To

2670
02:58:37,839 --> 02:58:40,319
the city offered a number of programs to its residents

2671
02:58:40,340 --> 02:58:43,839
to assist with paying assessments, uh, and associated fees for

2672
02:58:43,940 --> 02:58:51,725
various, uh, utilist expansion projects over the years. And so

2673
02:58:51,826 --> 02:58:55,725
a small number of these accounts, um, have become delinquent

2674
02:58:55,826 --> 02:58:59,645
and now need to be resolved. So this resolution formerly

2675
02:58:59,645 --> 02:59:05,005
establishes the assessment amounts for the delinquent parcels authorizes collection,

2676
02:59:05,005 --> 02:59:08,525
um, through the uniform assessment collection act and allows the

2677
02:59:08,786 --> 02:59:12,045
charges to be placed on the tax bill. So resolution

2678
02:59:12,306 --> 02:59:17,245
22526 serves as the right resolution for the delinquent deferred

2679
02:59:17,245 --> 02:59:26,717
assessments and the delinquent hardship deferrals. And as the others,

2680
02:59:26,717 --> 02:59:30,157
an introductory resolution was approved on July 22nd, authorizing us

2681
02:59:30,197 --> 02:59:34,528
to notice, uh, these assessed property owners. So the first

2682
02:59:34,789 --> 02:59:38,928
program under this resolution, I'll start with is the deferred

2683
02:59:38,968 --> 02:59:43,888
assessments, um, for certain UEP areas, the city offered property

2684
02:59:43,928 --> 02:59:48,848
owners, the option to defer assessment payments under the program,

2685
02:59:48,848 --> 02:59:52,208
owners were allowed to place a voluntary lien, uh, for

2686
02:59:52,208 --> 02:59:56,528
the full assessment, including principal and interests and administration fees.

2687
02:59:56,528 --> 03:00:00,368
Uh, these deferred assessments became due and payable upon the

2688
03:00:00,469 --> 03:00:03,648
sale of the property, refinancing of the home are transfer

2689
03:00:03,669 --> 03:00:09,060
of ownership. So for fiscal year 27, there is only

2690
03:00:09,060 --> 03:00:13,380
one property with, with a deferred assessment account still outstanding,

2691
03:00:13,380 --> 03:00:16,020
uh, this property is an assessment in an assessment area

2692
03:00:16,020 --> 03:00:21,732
that has reached the end of the assessment term. The

2693
03:00:21,732 --> 03:00:26,372
total amount due to the city is approximately 59, 000.

2694
03:00:26,372 --> 03:00:30,852
So we are looking to add that assessment to the

2695
03:00:30,953 --> 03:00:34,212
tax bill in an annual installment over the original term,

2696
03:00:34,212 --> 03:00:39,759
which is 20 years. Delinquent balances plus statutory discount and

2697
03:00:39,759 --> 03:00:42,639
collector fees will be added to each installment and the

2698
03:00:42,679 --> 03:00:47,404
lien will be released upon full payment. So this is

2699
03:00:47,444 --> 03:00:51,324
just another, more details of that one assessment that we're

2700
03:00:51,324 --> 03:00:56,470
including. You'll see that the annual installment will be approximately

2701
03:00:56,731 --> 03:01:03,282
3, 100 dollars. And when an assessment is deferred, just

2702
03:01:03,463 --> 03:01:05,602
want to point out that the city actually pays the

2703
03:01:05,602 --> 03:01:09,842
annual installment on behalf of the property owner. So most

2704
03:01:09,882 --> 03:01:12,562
of this outstanding balance actually is going to be considered

2705
03:01:12,743 --> 03:01:17,957
a reimbursement to the city. The next is the delinquent

2706
03:01:17,997 --> 03:01:21,797
hardship assessment. The city's hardship program provides low - income

2707
03:01:21,818 --> 03:01:24,917
property owners a means to defer all are part of

2708
03:01:24,938 --> 03:01:28,157
certain UEP and fire service assessments each year based on

2709
03:01:28,378 --> 03:01:34,837
HUD guidelines to participate in the program owners must apply

2710
03:01:35,258 --> 03:01:38,037
annually and all deferred amounts are recorded as liens against

2711
03:01:38,138 --> 03:01:42,277
the property. The amount includes principle and interest, and like

2712
03:01:42,277 --> 03:01:48,277
the deferred assessments, they become due upon sale home transfer,

2713
03:01:48,277 --> 03:01:54,376
our refinance. So under this category, we have 11 properties

2714
03:01:54,557 --> 03:01:58,536
that have outstanding hardship assessments, eight properties are no longer

2715
03:01:58,717 --> 03:02:01,736
enrolled in their hardship program, possibly because they no longer

2716
03:02:01,917 --> 03:02:06,936
qualify in three properties have changed hands, but assessments were

2717
03:02:06,976 --> 03:02:11,519
left unpaid at closing. The total about here is 46,

2718
03:02:12,340 --> 03:02:19,750
658 dollars in 36 cents. The amount of the assessment

2719
03:02:19,790 --> 03:02:22,310
shall be equal to the total deferred amount due and

2720
03:02:22,310 --> 03:02:26,150
owing as of November 1st, 2026, and the repayment term

2721
03:02:26,171 --> 03:02:31,190
will match the remaining term of the original assessment. The

2722
03:02:31,531 --> 03:02:34,630
fire service assessment balance will be billed over a term

2723
03:02:34,651 --> 03:02:37,670
of five years and be added to the current annual

2724
03:02:37,851 --> 03:02:42,896
fire service assessment. And no additional interest will accrue. And

2725
03:02:42,936 --> 03:02:46,816
here are the details of those 11 parcels that will

2726
03:02:46,816 --> 03:02:50,816
be included on the tax bill. It also provides you

2727
03:02:50,856 --> 03:02:57,177
with their annual installment terms. And with that, I asked

2728
03:02:57,177 --> 03:03:01,616
your approval. Okay, thank you. I open up public hearing

2729
03:03:01,656 --> 03:03:05,616
anyone wishing to speak on resolution 225 - 26. Please

2730
03:03:05,637 --> 03:03:10,094
come forward. See a non - public hearing is now

2731
03:03:10,195 --> 03:03:13,454
closed. And I'll entertain a motion of recording resolution 225

2732
03:03:13,494 --> 03:03:21,537
- approved 225 - 26. Any council discussion. Seeing none,

2733
03:03:21,577 --> 03:03:27,618
Madam City clerk, please call the rule. Aye. Master? Hi.

2734
03:03:27,799 --> 03:03:35,958
Lehman. Long. Aye. Steinky? Aye. Danelle. Enter? Aye. Good to?

2735
03:03:35,979 --> 03:03:39,478
Aye. Eight eyes, motion carry. Okay, move on to the

2736
03:03:39,518 --> 03:03:43,558
last resolution 226 - 26, Madam City clerk. Please read

2737
03:03:43,598 --> 03:03:48,552
the title. Resolution 226 - 26. A resolution of the

2738
03:03:48,573 --> 03:03:51,192
mayor and city council of the city of Cape Coral,

2739
03:03:51,192 --> 03:03:56,152
Florida, approving the fiscal year 2026 to 2027 assessment roles

2740
03:03:56,653 --> 03:04:01,512
for various non - advalorium assessments levied and imposed pursuant

2741
03:04:01,512 --> 03:04:03,832
to Florida law and the city of Cape Coral Code

2742
03:04:03,832 --> 03:04:08,832
of Ordinances, including chapters 2, 17, and 19 thereof. An

2743
03:04:08,832 --> 03:04:14,232
ordinance 29 - 05 describing the lean associated therewith, directing

2744
03:04:14,272 --> 03:04:16,872
that the assessment roles be certified to the Lee County

2745
03:04:16,973 --> 03:04:21,775
Tax Collector and providing for an effective date. Okay, thank

2746
03:04:21,775 --> 03:04:26,095
you. Staff. All right, you're the finish line. So this

2747
03:04:26,276 --> 03:04:30,735
resolution formerly approves the city's assessment roles for our non

2748
03:04:30,996 --> 03:04:34,735
- advalorium assessments that will be collected on the upcoming

2749
03:04:35,076 --> 03:04:40,340
property tax bill. The city has levied various non -

2750
03:04:40,380 --> 03:04:44,340
advaloreum special assessments to fund capital improvement services that provide

2751
03:04:44,441 --> 03:04:48,500
a specific benefit to certain real property within our established

2752
03:04:48,601 --> 03:04:54,980
UEP areas. These assessments are governed by sections 166. 021

2753
03:04:55,401 --> 03:05:00,580
and 197. 3632 of the Florida statutes, as well as

2754
03:05:01,961 --> 03:05:05,020
chapters 2, 17 and 19 of the city's code of

2755
03:05:05,241 --> 03:05:11,620
ordinances. And section 17 - 47 requires counsel to adopt

2756
03:05:12,921 --> 03:05:15,700
an annual assessment resolution as part of the annual budget

2757
03:05:15,801 --> 03:05:19,780
process. This action approves assessments for the upcoming fiscal year.

2758
03:05:24,238 --> 03:05:29,737
So this slide here provides you a total of each

2759
03:05:29,737 --> 03:05:33,977
of the roles related to the specific project areas, starting

2760
03:05:33,977 --> 03:05:38,217
with South 1 East, all the way through Del Prado

2761
03:05:38,398 --> 03:05:41,817
Mall parking lot and all of the associated utility capital

2762
03:05:41,817 --> 03:05:46,537
expansion fees and contribution in aid of construction fees associated

2763
03:05:46,577 --> 03:05:52,692
with those assessment areas. So approval of the resolution authorizes

2764
03:05:53,033 --> 03:05:57,332
the certified roles to be transmitted for inclusion on the

2765
03:05:57,513 --> 03:06:01,312
Lee County tax collector's property tax bills in November, uh,

2766
03:06:01,513 --> 03:06:04,772
and this is the final administrative action needed to collect

2767
03:06:04,793 --> 03:06:07,994
those fees next fiscal year. And with that, I asked

2768
03:06:07,994 --> 03:06:11,387
for your approval. Okay, now public hearing in one wish

2769
03:06:11,427 --> 03:06:14,587
and speak on resolution 226 - 26, please come forward.

2770
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:21,157
See, a non - public hearing is now closed. I'll

2771
03:06:21,157 --> 03:06:24,997
entertain a motion regarding resolution 226 - 26. Motion to

2772
03:06:25,037 --> 03:06:30,560
approve. Any council discussion. Say a non - Madam City

2773
03:06:30,741 --> 03:06:35,664
clerk, please call the rope. Hill rain. Aye. Lastra? Aye.

2774
03:06:35,765 --> 03:06:43,482
Lehman. Long? No. Steinky? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk?

2775
03:06:43,522 --> 03:06:48,274
Aye. Seven ayes one nay motion carried. Okay, move on

2776
03:06:48,295 --> 03:06:50,594
the item 11. C is introductions. We do not have

2777
03:06:50,775 --> 03:06:54,594
any introductions tonight. Item 12 is reports. Council members thank

2778
03:06:54,634 --> 03:06:58,114
you report. No report. Council member down now. No report.

2779
03:06:58,135 --> 03:07:01,756
Council member Kadu. Thank you mayor. So I know we

2780
03:07:01,796 --> 03:07:04,556
talked about this a long time ago about Hayden Lane

2781
03:07:05,297 --> 03:07:06,876
and I'm going to make a motion and I'm looking

2782
03:07:06,876 --> 03:07:09,996
for a second to request a future agenda item be

2783
03:07:09,996 --> 03:07:14,306
scheduled to address the Sandoval application for a replat. I'll

2784
03:07:14,346 --> 03:07:17,220
give you the second. Thank you. Are we going to

2785
03:07:17,220 --> 03:07:18,780
add that to a committee of the hoe? Is that

2786
03:07:18,780 --> 03:07:20,060
what you asked? I would be. Yeah. If we could

2787
03:07:20,060 --> 03:07:22,700
add as an agenda item. It could be community of

2788
03:07:22,740 --> 03:07:24,540
the whole would probably be best. Yeah I think so.

2789
03:07:25,601 --> 03:07:28,380
We have one next week. Are you whenever. Is that

2790
03:07:28,380 --> 03:07:31,020
good? Next week is fine for me. All right. Thank

2791
03:07:31,020 --> 03:07:33,260
you. Madam City Clark. We can add that to the

2792
03:07:33,300 --> 03:07:39,031
agenda. For September 9th. That's the next cow. Yeah. Whenever

2793
03:07:39,071 --> 03:07:41,191
our next one is. Thank you so much. That's all.

2794
03:07:42,211 --> 03:07:49,413
Alright. Uh, Council Member Kilring. Uh, on the 20th, I

2795
03:07:49,413 --> 03:07:54,653
attended the St. Hughes Walt. Reuben Cunning with one of

2796
03:07:54,674 --> 03:07:58,073
Holmes. And that's the first, I guess, uh, the, uh,

2797
03:07:58,434 --> 03:08:03,533
state of Florida. And, uh, great project. And, uh, along

2798
03:08:03,533 --> 03:08:10,283
with Councilman. Lori Lehman, uh, CCCIA was there to represent

2799
03:08:10,464 --> 03:08:12,603
a lot of other builders who are going to be

2800
03:08:12,624 --> 03:08:20,346
participating in that. Saturday. I went to the CCIA home

2801
03:08:20,367 --> 03:08:23,790
show. And that's it. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Lastered.

2802
03:08:24,499 --> 03:08:27,518
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I too attended the home show,

2803
03:08:27,518 --> 03:08:31,238
but on Sunday, it was a great event. Lots of

2804
03:08:31,238 --> 03:08:34,238
vendors, lots of information. So thank you to the CCCIA

2805
03:08:34,278 --> 03:08:37,118
for putting that on. Um, I don't have any more

2806
03:08:37,219 --> 03:08:40,078
on a report, Mayor, but I do have a question

2807
03:08:40,099 --> 03:08:42,998
for all of you. I met with the city. I

2808
03:08:42,998 --> 03:08:45,838
spoke to the city manager two weeks ago about moving

2809
03:08:45,859 --> 03:08:49,898
the camera back onto the podium for citizens input. And

2810
03:08:49,898 --> 03:08:53,038
the reason is because we end up with distractions here

2811
03:08:53,779 --> 03:08:56,718
with, you know, iPads and cell phones. And I just

2812
03:08:56,718 --> 03:08:58,878
feel like if you guys are okay with it, could

2813
03:08:58,918 --> 03:09:01,918
we possibly consider moving that camera back to the podium

2814
03:09:02,739 --> 03:09:07,483
so that eliminates the distraction right here in front. Is

2815
03:09:07,483 --> 03:09:09,403
that something that maybe we could put on our next

2816
03:09:09,443 --> 03:09:11,643
committee the whole and have a discussion? Do we need

2817
03:09:11,683 --> 03:09:15,167
to. I mean, I think so. You do. Okay. All

2818
03:09:15,167 --> 03:09:17,407
right. Yeah. That's fine. If I can get a second

2819
03:09:17,668 --> 03:09:20,607
or do I need a second? Okay. That'd be good.

2820
03:09:20,628 --> 03:09:23,647
Thank you, Mayor. We'll add that on that same committee

2821
03:09:23,687 --> 03:09:26,287
of a whole era, Madam City Clark, please. Yes, your

2822
03:09:26,327 --> 03:09:33,347
honor. Thank you. All right. Uh, Council Member Lehman. Yeah.

2823
03:09:33,608 --> 03:09:40,794
I too attended the home show. On Saturday. Met with

2824
03:09:40,834 --> 03:09:46,791
a lot of different people. It was a great situation.

2825
03:09:47,360 --> 03:09:50,779
Thank you, that's it. Council Member Long. All right. Go

2826
03:09:50,779 --> 03:09:54,539
back to going back to lastress. I don't recall did

2827
03:09:54,539 --> 03:09:58,126
we need a cow to remove that. I don't game

2828
03:09:58,166 --> 03:10:00,766
review. Did we change? It's not like a proper function

2829
03:10:00,787 --> 03:10:04,286
of council. I don't remember making any action on behalf

2830
03:10:04,286 --> 03:10:07,888
of council to. Take that away. So I don't know

2831
03:10:07,928 --> 03:10:09,888
where that leaves us with regards to the discussion next

2832
03:10:09,928 --> 03:10:13,248
week. But if that's a staff function, then we can

2833
03:10:13,269 --> 03:10:14,928
just direct staff to do it, even though I don't

2834
03:10:14,928 --> 03:10:17,730
think we, I don't remember doing that up here. To

2835
03:10:17,730 --> 03:10:20,847
change the camera angle. So I guess take them out

2836
03:10:20,847 --> 03:10:22,667
what you will. That's your, that's your cause. Take and

2837
03:10:22,667 --> 03:10:25,407
run with it. Um, just one question with regards to

2838
03:10:25,508 --> 03:10:30,194
the, um, report with the hearing examiner. Where didn't can

2839
03:10:30,194 --> 03:10:33,614
we expect, I guess to move forward with what's the

2840
03:10:33,614 --> 03:10:35,754
process look like to hire the new hearing examiner, I

2841
03:10:35,754 --> 03:10:38,754
guess the contract that we've had with the hearing examiner's

2842
03:10:38,794 --> 03:10:41,717
terminated, will become terminated very soon. What does that look

2843
03:10:41,717 --> 03:10:44,819
like moving forward? Uh, technically when you approve the last

2844
03:10:45,000 --> 03:10:49,139
hearing examiner as part of the authorization, she's allowed to

2845
03:10:49,160 --> 03:10:53,769
sit for quasi any cause education matters. She's allowed to

2846
03:10:53,769 --> 03:10:56,409
sit, but her term, her, her contract is up, right?

2847
03:10:56,430 --> 03:10:59,129
So wouldn't we either renew the contract or we would

2848
03:10:59,169 --> 03:11:04,444
then ask special magistrate, the contract that you approved. Sure.

2849
03:11:04,785 --> 03:11:11,386
Authorized. That individual to sit for any and all. Matters

2850
03:11:11,426 --> 03:11:15,146
that our cost and judicial. Okay. So if that was

2851
03:11:15,327 --> 03:11:17,546
true, then what would have the purpose have been to

2852
03:11:17,647 --> 03:11:21,774
come and codify that before this council. Through the motion

2853
03:11:21,795 --> 03:11:25,349
that's now failed twice in the last two weeks. I'm

2854
03:11:25,349 --> 03:11:28,525
sorry what. You're telling me that when we hired a

2855
03:11:28,525 --> 03:11:34,205
new special magistrate when April. That effectively turned to that

2856
03:11:34,786 --> 03:11:38,443
replaced the hearing examiner. No. That did not. That's not

2857
03:11:38,443 --> 03:11:40,643
what I said. Okay. So then help me. Set is

2858
03:11:41,104 --> 03:11:46,945
they're authorized. To sit for quasi judicial matters. Okay. I

2859
03:11:46,945 --> 03:11:49,425
didn't say it to replace that. So that was incorrect.

2860
03:11:49,606 --> 03:11:51,745
Then the motion that was just brought up for reconsideration

2861
03:11:51,785 --> 03:11:57,185
today, which was ruled upon and shot down last week,

2862
03:11:57,185 --> 03:11:59,665
that was to have the position of the hearing examiner

2863
03:12:00,886 --> 03:12:06,225
replaced with plethora of special magistrates. That was an amendment

2864
03:12:06,326 --> 03:12:09,425
to the land development code regarding who would be sitting

2865
03:12:09,446 --> 03:12:12,065
in that, in that stead. Can you explain how those

2866
03:12:12,086 --> 03:12:14,945
two then are different? Because if I'm saying you said

2867
03:12:14,966 --> 03:12:18,465
it, you took offense, which I appreciate to me categorizing

2868
03:12:18,646 --> 03:12:21,025
it that way. But then when I then turned around.

2869
03:12:22,055 --> 03:12:27,154
And capsulated what the nature of the motion that was

2870
03:12:27,154 --> 03:12:30,834
up for reconsideration today was it in effect was the

2871
03:12:30,874 --> 03:12:37,528
same exact end result. Was it not. The motion was,

2872
03:12:37,528 --> 03:12:40,730
as you just confirmed, was today was a reconsideration. Of

2873
03:12:40,911 --> 03:12:46,330
the denial of ordinance number 20 - 26. Which in

2874
03:12:46,330 --> 03:12:49,849
short does what. Have brought the matter back before you

2875
03:12:50,030 --> 03:12:52,649
all as it was? Not the matter itself. What was

2876
03:12:52,649 --> 03:12:56,386
the matter itself regarding. The matter itself was an amendment

2877
03:12:56,426 --> 03:12:59,746
to the process associated with who'd be sitting and hearing

2878
03:12:59,786 --> 03:13:02,866
these matters. So if we chose not to amend the

2879
03:13:02,866 --> 03:13:06,626
process, then logic would dictate that that means that the

2880
03:13:06,666 --> 03:13:09,806
process as it currently exists would continue on. Is that

2881
03:13:09,806 --> 03:13:13,899
not logical? Going to. Okay, well if it is, I'm

2882
03:13:13,899 --> 03:13:15,919
hearing examiner sits over these meetings as they have for

2883
03:13:15,959 --> 03:13:18,879
the last several years. And our hearing examiner's contract is

2884
03:13:18,879 --> 03:13:21,599
up. I'm asking when we would put out a contract

2885
03:13:21,700 --> 03:13:24,319
seeking a new hearing examiner. There seems to be a

2886
03:13:25,700 --> 03:13:31,119
clarification on that. If the council authorized the special magistrate

2887
03:13:31,300 --> 03:13:34,479
to sit for all quasi - judicial matters, as pursuing

2888
03:13:34,479 --> 03:13:38,399
to her contractual agreement with the city of Cape Poorl,

2889
03:13:38,399 --> 03:13:41,519
that would mean that they have legally the authority as

2890
03:13:41,559 --> 03:13:45,759
authorized by you all. To sit in that place. Okay,

2891
03:13:45,759 --> 03:13:48,051
that's great. So then why would we need to follow

2892
03:13:48,091 --> 03:13:50,611
it up with the motion that you put forth to

2893
03:13:50,651 --> 03:13:53,251
a man? Motion was a correction of what was happening

2894
03:13:53,352 --> 03:13:58,451
before, amongst other things as we had discussed. It resolved

2895
03:13:58,491 --> 03:14:02,611
the issue of the hearing examiner making a ruling. And

2896
03:14:02,611 --> 03:14:06,047
then it going to a special magistrate. But that apparently

2897
03:14:06,228 --> 03:14:09,407
didn't seem to get any traction despite my talking about

2898
03:14:09,428 --> 03:14:11,750
that. Mr. Mayor, can we put, can we put this

2899
03:14:11,771 --> 03:14:13,990
on the cow for the next week so that it

2900
03:14:13,990 --> 03:14:17,190
could be explained exactly how that was set forth? Because

2901
03:14:17,611 --> 03:14:19,910
I'm whether you want to agree or not. I'm fairly

2902
03:14:19,910 --> 03:14:21,510
certain on a majority of this council did not understand

2903
03:14:21,691 --> 03:14:27,430
that we're kicking out the hearing examiner and replacing it

2904
03:14:27,470 --> 03:14:30,581
with a special magistrate. When we hired a new special

2905
03:14:30,922 --> 03:14:36,021
magistrate four months ago. And then again, just last week

2906
03:14:36,042 --> 03:14:38,901
we voted on a decision. Why don't we go down

2907
03:14:38,941 --> 03:14:40,661
the line and see if a majority wants to bring

2908
03:14:40,701 --> 03:14:43,701
that topic back for discussion. And then if it is,

2909
03:14:43,741 --> 03:14:45,621
then we'll add it to it. You know, for me,

2910
03:14:45,621 --> 03:14:48,741
we've already voted on this issue last week, it sounds

2911
03:14:48,741 --> 03:14:51,591
like I wasn't here. Uh, right. We voted in the

2912
03:14:51,612 --> 03:14:56,711
negative to not allow for special magistrates to sit for

2913
03:14:57,372 --> 03:15:01,271
quasi judicial hearings. No, that's, that is not true. I

2914
03:15:01,271 --> 03:15:02,871
don't think that's true. So what did we vote on.

2915
03:15:04,165 --> 03:15:07,024
Well, first of all, I don't even know. Why don't

2916
03:15:07,024 --> 03:15:08,464
we, let's go down the line and see if we

2917
03:15:08,485 --> 03:15:10,304
want to bring this up for a discussion for next

2918
03:15:10,344 --> 03:15:14,561
week. Um, and, and then we'll go from there. I

2919
03:15:14,561 --> 03:15:17,761
have one point of clarification before we go down the

2920
03:15:17,761 --> 03:15:20,401
row. Yep. I just want, does anybody have any butter

2921
03:15:21,062 --> 03:15:23,041
to go in my popcorn? Cause I love when those

2922
03:15:23,062 --> 03:15:25,681
two started going right. I have no idea what they're

2923
03:15:25,681 --> 03:15:27,761
talking about. Well, I mean, honestly, you should be having

2924
03:15:27,862 --> 03:15:31,521
these discussions, you know, before you get here before bringing

2925
03:15:31,521 --> 03:15:34,219
it up in the report sessions. I'm sorry. That's why

2926
03:15:34,219 --> 03:15:37,739
I'm confused. I've had these discussions. Okay. All right. Council

2927
03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:39,979
member downhill. We'll start down here with you. Do you

2928
03:15:39,979 --> 03:15:43,739
want to bring, uh, this matter to a discussion at

2929
03:15:43,779 --> 03:15:46,379
a future committee, the whole matter we've already voted on?

2930
03:15:46,480 --> 03:15:55,265
No, no. I would. No. I'm going to, no. Yes.

2931
03:15:55,366 --> 03:15:58,770
Yes. I wasn't counting boat. So what are we, where

2932
03:15:58,810 --> 03:16:02,210
are we at? Four, four. Four, four. Okay. So then

2933
03:16:02,250 --> 03:16:04,930
moving forward, we will not be using a hearing examiner

2934
03:16:04,951 --> 03:16:08,700
in the city of Cape Coral. Yes or no? I

2935
03:16:09,041 --> 03:16:11,820
can, let me answer this to try and take legal,

2936
03:16:11,841 --> 03:16:16,140
legal. What's a yes personnel out of this? My administrative

2937
03:16:16,161 --> 03:16:19,909
staff is still going to be bringing cases. To our

2938
03:16:19,949 --> 03:16:24,128
hearing examiner. Under the exact same process that is in

2939
03:16:24,128 --> 03:16:28,656
place today. You all did not vote. To change the

2940
03:16:28,757 --> 03:16:34,520
process. So my staff, when it pertains to a land

2941
03:16:34,520 --> 03:16:37,320
use in development regulation is going to follow the exact

2942
03:16:37,341 --> 03:16:40,440
same process. This is not a personnel issue. I don't

2943
03:16:40,480 --> 03:16:43,576
know why it's getting twisted into that. This was a

2944
03:16:43,677 --> 03:16:47,736
procedural change on how my staff deals with land use

2945
03:16:47,757 --> 03:16:51,416
development cases. You all voted that down. We're following the

2946
03:16:51,456 --> 03:16:57,597
exact same process. I hope that clears it up. So

2947
03:16:57,618 --> 03:16:59,757
then what was last week when we were talking about

2948
03:17:00,258 --> 03:17:06,324
carousels of magistrates and reverses one single hearing examiner. That

2949
03:17:06,324 --> 03:17:10,766
was exactly the process that you brought up. So the

2950
03:17:10,947 --> 03:17:16,920
process was meant to. Align with what is happening. So

2951
03:17:16,941 --> 03:17:19,560
I believe council member long, you're the one that made

2952
03:17:19,600 --> 03:17:24,040
reference to or intimated that there was some nefarious activity

2953
03:17:24,301 --> 03:17:28,710
in scheduling with certain special magistrates, which was false. Okay.

2954
03:17:28,731 --> 03:17:31,758
Because these are scheduled one year in advance. And they're

2955
03:17:31,758 --> 03:17:35,278
randomly selected based upon the invalidability of the special magistrates.

2956
03:17:35,278 --> 03:17:37,918
But that's not what you ultimately brought forth. Are you

2957
03:17:37,939 --> 03:17:40,398
asserted? What you asserted that there's going to be some

2958
03:17:40,438 --> 03:17:43,918
nefarious activity in order to identify certain cases, I'll go

2959
03:17:43,918 --> 03:17:47,038
before certain special magic. I didn't say that. That there

2960
03:17:47,078 --> 03:17:49,358
was a that would open up an appearance of impropriety

2961
03:17:49,459 --> 03:17:51,358
if we were to allow that to explain. You sort

2962
03:17:51,358 --> 03:17:53,918
of that in a public mean. Okay. Where there was

2963
03:17:53,958 --> 03:17:58,070
none. Okay. So these are scheduled one year out in

2964
03:17:58,110 --> 03:18:02,230
advance on a pre - scheduled calendar and all the

2965
03:18:02,251 --> 03:18:06,870
special magistrates are asked for their availability to attend. Okay.

2966
03:18:07,051 --> 03:18:09,990
But you intimated that there was some nefarious activity by

2967
03:18:10,011 --> 03:18:16,037
staff. In scheduling certain matters before certain special magistrates. But

2968
03:18:16,077 --> 03:18:17,397
we're not even doing that yet. So how would I

2969
03:18:17,397 --> 03:18:19,317
have been? You brought that up. Yeah. As in a,

2970
03:18:19,317 --> 03:18:24,651
as a carousel. I think this, uh, what I did

2971
03:18:24,672 --> 03:18:28,011
not assert, but you asserted was that the special magistrate

2972
03:18:28,011 --> 03:18:32,411
that we apparently hired to replace the hearing examiner what

2973
03:18:32,432 --> 03:18:35,411
four months ago. Mayor point out of town. Point of

2974
03:18:35,411 --> 03:18:37,851
order. She lived in Sanibel, but she actually lives in

2975
03:18:37,952 --> 03:18:41,051
Miami. Has a practice in Miami. Hold on. We've, we

2976
03:18:41,312 --> 03:18:43,776
got a point of order. Could you tell us what

2977
03:18:43,776 --> 03:18:46,862
the, uh, procedure is for point of order. I need

2978
03:18:46,902 --> 03:18:50,610
to know what. S the point of what? We're in

2979
03:18:50,650 --> 03:18:54,844
report. This has nothing to do with reports. This had

2980
03:18:54,844 --> 03:18:57,324
to do with an item that was then brought down

2981
03:18:57,345 --> 03:19:00,764
the line for consensus of bringing it to a, to

2982
03:19:00,804 --> 03:19:03,564
a meeting on an agenda where an issue like this

2983
03:19:03,825 --> 03:19:10,414
is supposed to be dealt with. And that failed. So

2984
03:19:10,915 --> 03:19:18,509
why are we continuing with it. Councilwomans take you. Okay.

2985
03:19:19,330 --> 03:19:21,469
And do we need a second for the point order?

2986
03:19:22,290 --> 03:19:25,149
No, you rule on that as the individual running the

2987
03:19:25,189 --> 03:19:28,310
meeting. I rule on it. Yes. I think this is

2988
03:19:28,310 --> 03:19:30,790
an offline discussion where you too because it's been a

2989
03:19:30,790 --> 03:19:33,910
matter. It's already been booted on and discussed. We brought

2990
03:19:33,950 --> 03:19:39,030
it here for a, um, reconsideration. That failed. And then

2991
03:19:39,051 --> 03:19:43,110
we even had a subsequent consensus where we didn't want

2992
03:19:43,110 --> 03:19:44,670
to bring it at a committee of the whole. So

2993
03:19:44,670 --> 03:19:47,030
if you two want to have that discussion, have at

2994
03:19:47,030 --> 03:19:50,550
it, uh, but having, in my opinion, having it now

2995
03:19:50,971 --> 03:19:55,588
during, uh, report and going back and forth. To me

2996
03:19:55,849 --> 03:19:59,563
is, uh, is ridiculous. So if that's something to eat

2997
03:19:59,603 --> 03:20:02,363
you want to, you two want to discuss, how about

2998
03:20:02,403 --> 03:20:11,184
it? That's fine. Understand. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. I don't

2999
03:20:11,184 --> 03:20:14,624
have anything in my report. Uh, Mr. City Manager report.

3000
03:20:16,418 --> 03:20:20,397
I do have a report. I'm sorry. Mr. City attorney.

3001
03:20:20,397 --> 03:20:24,131
I usually go to Alex goes first. And you have

3002
03:20:24,171 --> 03:20:31,225
a report. All right. Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. This

3003
03:20:31,406 --> 03:20:34,425
coming Saturday will be the second anniversary for the courts.

3004
03:20:35,082 --> 03:20:38,221
August 29th from 11 a. m. to 2 p. m.

3005
03:20:38,762 --> 03:20:42,581
at the courts at 420 Southwest second avenue. They're going

3006
03:20:42,581 --> 03:20:47,141
to have hot dogs, hamburgers, drink specials, raffles, uh, for

3007
03:20:47,162 --> 03:20:51,061
paddles, memberships. Uh, there's going to be some round robin

3008
03:20:51,101 --> 03:20:53,441
events. And then there's going to be some demos, uh,

3009
03:20:53,441 --> 03:20:58,661
from some paddles providers. So if you're interested in celebrating

3010
03:20:58,701 --> 03:21:01,301
the second anniversary of the courts with the city or

3011
03:21:01,301 --> 03:21:04,421
if you play pickleball, uh, join us there from 11

3012
03:21:04,442 --> 03:21:08,181
a. m. to 2 p. m. I do have two

3013
03:21:08,282 --> 03:21:11,221
high five highlights that I want to read. I hadn't

3014
03:21:11,261 --> 03:21:12,821
gotten a couple of these in a while. And then

3015
03:21:12,821 --> 03:21:15,541
last week I got a couple of them. Uh, I

3016
03:21:15,562 --> 03:21:20,981
had one resident right in regarding city workers. Nice job.

3017
03:21:20,981 --> 03:21:23,221
And, uh, it says very nice job trenching for the

3018
03:21:23,402 --> 03:21:26,901
drainage of my lawn, super professional and thorough. And that

3019
03:21:26,901 --> 03:21:31,661
goes to the stormwater folks that regraded a swale. It

3020
03:21:31,661 --> 03:21:35,301
came with it a bunch of, uh, pictures and they

3021
03:21:35,301 --> 03:21:38,901
actually, uh, he asked for them to pose for them.

3022
03:21:38,901 --> 03:21:41,701
And so, uh, thank you for the recognition from the

3023
03:21:42,042 --> 03:21:45,941
resident and also thank you to the swale crews that

3024
03:21:45,962 --> 03:21:50,655
perform that work professionally and thoroughly. Uh, another one came

3025
03:21:50,836 --> 03:21:55,695
in regarding the fire department. This one says, uh, regarding

3026
03:21:55,796 --> 03:21:59,341
station 12. Just wanted to pass along some info when

3027
03:21:59,341 --> 03:22:02,461
I hope you can pass this onto our city council

3028
03:22:02,501 --> 03:22:05,501
about the fantastic department. We are blessed with. They should

3029
03:22:05,541 --> 03:22:07,581
know what a blessing you folks are to the community.

3030
03:22:08,061 --> 03:22:11,000
I had issues with a myriadic acid leak around my

3031
03:22:11,181 --> 03:22:13,640
pool supplies. Your team came to my house last week

3032
03:22:14,221 --> 03:22:17,000
and helped neutralize it. But I still smelled something this

3033
03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:20,820
week. Lieutenant McCar and team were better than I could

3034
03:22:20,860 --> 03:22:24,340
ever imagine. They checked every inch of my house inside

3035
03:22:24,361 --> 03:22:27,380
and outside to find the source. They vented my entire

3036
03:22:27,481 --> 03:22:31,540
home and didn't leave me until the VOC dropped. They

3037
03:22:31,721 --> 03:22:34,864
explained a lot to me. You respected my home. Made

3038
03:22:34,904 --> 03:22:37,744
every effort to protect my pets and also take care

3039
03:22:37,744 --> 03:22:41,152
of me. When it was time to go. They even

3040
03:22:41,152 --> 03:22:43,615
made sure I got back in the house. Okay. I

3041
03:22:43,636 --> 03:22:48,216
am a disabled vet. They were so professional, kind and

3042
03:22:48,256 --> 03:22:50,856
patient I've never met an entire group of pros like

3043
03:22:50,896 --> 03:22:53,256
this. And I was in the, since I was in

3044
03:22:53,256 --> 03:22:56,616
the military. They worked so well with the public and

3045
03:22:56,616 --> 03:22:58,516
one another. God bless each and every one of you

3046
03:22:58,877 --> 03:23:01,896
to these fine firemen. So I want to thank the

3047
03:23:01,997 --> 03:23:07,176
resident for pointing out the professionalism in our fire department.

3048
03:23:07,176 --> 03:23:09,896
And I would like to respond to lieutenant McCarr and

3049
03:23:09,936 --> 03:23:12,536
his team from station 12 who took care of a

3050
03:23:12,576 --> 03:23:16,216
disabled vet to make sure that he was safe not

3051
03:23:16,216 --> 03:23:19,176
only once they, uh, isolated the issue, but then also

3052
03:23:19,197 --> 03:23:22,216
getting back into his home job well done high five

3053
03:23:22,237 --> 03:23:31,486
highlight. Please don't make me gavel. On the left. Do

3054
03:23:31,507 --> 03:23:36,126
it. I double jogged deer. You gabble gavel. Just that

3055
03:23:36,627 --> 03:23:40,285
Mr. City manager. That is it. Thank you, sir. Thank

3056
03:23:40,325 --> 03:23:44,045
you. We'll move on to item number 14 time and

3057
03:23:44,066 --> 03:23:47,675
place a future meetings. The regular meeting. No, he said

3058
03:23:47,776 --> 03:23:51,373
no. I didn't. Yep. That's what he said. Is it

3059
03:23:51,373 --> 03:23:55,293
still no report, Mr. City turning? Still no report. All

3060
03:23:55,293 --> 03:23:56,573
right. Great. I mean, I could, I could give you

3061
03:23:56,573 --> 03:23:58,893
one if you want. All right. All right. So can

3062
03:23:58,933 --> 03:24:01,293
I go on to 14 now? Okay. Thank you. So

3063
03:24:01,333 --> 03:24:03,773
now time and place a future meetings, regular meeting with

3064
03:24:03,773 --> 03:24:06,253
the Cape Coral City Council is scheduled for Wednesday. September

3065
03:24:06,274 --> 03:24:10,813
2nd, 2026 being at 4 p. m. in council chambers.

3066
03:24:10,813 --> 03:24:12,973
Is there a motion to adjourn? Yes. So move. Second.

3067
03:24:13,551 --> 03:24:18,845
All those in favor say aye. On the opposed. Meeting

3068
03:24:18,885 --> 03:24:19,245
adjourned.