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The existing single-family neighbourhood. Okay, council, we will call our meeting to order, our work session of the October.

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We will start with our incents agenda items. And then go back to our 12

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was our minutes from the September 27th.

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13,

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13. Many of these items were from our being republished on the agenda from our last canceled meeting. So.

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So 13 was from the prior one for bumpers.

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This is a kind of in line with our normal fleet replacement, both based on the long

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lead times right now, but we got a good deal.

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If you look at the per price unit, it represents a better deal than what I heard at TML relative

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to some other cities are paying.

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Number 14.

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I'd like to know on that one, obviously it's much better that that got hit versus seeing all of our trucks or certainly personnel.

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But have we come up with a strategy to either avoid or minimize the potential for that being damaged in the future?

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Because I'm guessing without that, I mean, do we have a way to hold the mobile barrier at this time?

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Have we leased something or leave

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it to the chief?

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Yes, the mobile barrier is a brand new concept in barrier protection for public safety.

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We're kind of writing the book with it.

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We are having an after-action meeting to kind of review all the things that happened over

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the month and a half we had it in service to.

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It was actually hit a previous time before this one, so we're trying to develop a way that

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that we can deploy safely.

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There are ways that we're trying to jackknife the engine back,

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the tractor back to protect it more.

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Unfortunately, there's no way to really fully protect it

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from anything, ever hitting it.

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But the design of it is to have the trailer take the impact,

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so we're trying to minimize that by jackknifeing

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that tractor over more.

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Which means we'll need to take up more of the freeway lanes

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to be able to do that, to give us room to do that.

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But we are learning, it's a learning process.

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We're gonna have an after-action review

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We'll send that report to the city manager right heart to have her review it and then kind of go from there and we're developing a policy at this time and how we're going to deploy it.

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So do you have something that you're able to pull the mobile barrier with right now?

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No, sir. The trailer has been inspected. It's fine. It's good. It's not damaged at all from the impact, but we do not have a replacement reserve tractor for it.

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Could we release one just to get that back out there? I mean, I think recent events have shown that

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With that question, we need to have something like that, especially if we have that as

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I think the challenge with leasing a tractor to purposely put it on a freeway to block

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traffic, I think it's a difficult discussion to have with the company that's going to lease

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these.

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You know, even with our public works resources that we have to take a truck and just the

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nature of what this thing is designed to do, it's a big ask to get someone to lease

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us a truck in the event it gets hit so we haven't explored that option we're

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very fortunate that Dwayne was able to identify another truck and we're able to

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only have it out of service of month as you've mentioned if it was a truck it

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would have been truck 112 that the two and a half million dollar truck would have

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been out there that would have been hit and it would have been at least a 30

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month replacement to get that thing back in service so the blocker performed as

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designed unfortunately the the weakest part of it got hit and damaged which

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We're in the process of replacing so so she maybe as part of the eight after action review

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Recommendation if it's required on a we're done and see for a future will leave that to you

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That was part of your a our after action review. Yes, sir

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Thank you, thank you mayor. I think you may have answered it about

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Yeah, is that the future consideration of second

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Second one

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Not only a genus and I, but as part of the after-action review, if they'll look at that and it required them to come back to us.

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Number 15, Chevy Tahoe's, also for more sleep replacement programs.

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These for the police departments?

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16, neighborhood improvement programs.

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This is for my own out, which takes the contract to $3.3 million, $1.1.

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A couple of neighbourhoods in question.

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Any questions on that?

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Number 17 is school zone signs.

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This is taking the time zones off of it,

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and instead putting the wind flashing.

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My question, Mr. Mayor,

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is there a time limit or a time period

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that these lights may be flashing,

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besides schools on areas?

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In the schools on time.

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If the light isn't working then the officer couldn't enforce it.

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And if they're going off at that random time then presumably that's what I was like.

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That's what that's without my question.

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The officer wouldn't enforce it most likely.

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Like if it's so what I've seen a lot is on holiday.

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You know, it's going because nobody turned it off.

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In general, the officers just aren't going to enforce it because it's not a schools on time.

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That was my concern.

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I'll see if that's right.

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John, we have Director of Engineering.

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I agree.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Seeing no other questions, we'll move on item number 18.

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This was a changing the sub apparatus, removing the sub apparatus operator position,

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condensing some rules, changes to sub functions for firefighters.

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Number 19, governance policy.

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This went through our ad hoc governance committee, which is our standing finance and audit committee,

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based on our pain or retreat and so I think we charge them as a council to go off and

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look at a number of areas and they've done that.

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So, you know, for Tim, Palacias, any, any things, comment you might make on that?

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Maybe a highlight, highlights and then we'll see if there's any questions.

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Sure. Thank you, Mayor. The committee met and we discussed some of the items of a

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broad forest during the summer of the items were things such as engineering, gifts of

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the forums, social media, you know, how do you make this enforceable and I just want to

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take a moment and say that there was a lot of learning on behalf of the committee for these

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items because this is really our document is how I'll submit to the council that this

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is a document as is stated right in the introduction that we utilize and that we draft and

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that we create for ourselves.

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And so with that being said, we took a very close look at it and I know that we had unanimous

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consent on what is being presented to you all.

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There was one committee member that was, you know, unavailable to attend, right?

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Absolutely.

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And so, but we were able to hold the meeting with Quorum, and so what you guys have presented

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before you, please now that I went through thorough review and discussion, and I'm happy

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to answer any questions.

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I don't know.

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Now we're perhaps later during the...

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We don't have a work session specifically for this, so I would suggest that if you have

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questions on the edits, let's talk about the edits.

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If there's questions about items that we're not at, that we can take.

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That's not part of the agenda tonight, and we'll, rather than doing any of that from the

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dius, we can send that back to the committee to review.

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I think we're voting on the governance policy.

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So when you say not to discuss something that wasn't edited, how's that not part of the consideration?

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We're considering the edits that were brought forth right now.

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We're considering the government's policy as a whole, are we not?

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We are considering the edits to the policy as it was reviewed as a council charge the committee to review.

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So I would disagree with and I'll start off by saying I'd like to have this pulled from the

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considerate enough, individual consideration.

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So we have a work session on this. We do have a work session on it. Okay, then we'll come back to that. Thank you. Number six. Number four, but we will pull this council for individual consideration. Number 20, Santira Line capacity, requirements there in Duncan Heights,

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typical dance that we do with

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with these rate changes on core in this case.

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22 raise rates.

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Second, everybody wants the raise rate?

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That's right.

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Item number 22.

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This is records management software for our fire department.

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Mark Guy told me this is our very last notice project going into design.

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So we'll have a new program to talk later.

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This is a renewal of a two-year contract, so this is the second year, is that right?

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Number 25, Texas Carcare.

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This is basically a rebid for prior award recipient was unable to perform, so we went back

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to market.

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Item 26 to 34 are our appointments that we reach consensus on during executive session for a personnel related appointments.

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Any questions on any of those?

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And I've already asked that 28 be pulled for individual consideration and I was about to ask the same question.

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Okay, so you want to pull 28 for individual consideration?

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Yes I do.

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Fair enough.

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Any other items to be pulled?

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Can I ask a, Mr. Mayor, can I ask a question on that?

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Yeah, recognize from a procedure perspective, of course items discussed in executive session should not be, you know,

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executive session content should not be shared during public forum or open meeting.

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My question is that if this was all discussed during an executive session, if we pull it for a general session,

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what conversation one would be having outside of what was held in an executive session?

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Any person can state their opinion, but they can't relate back to it.

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And it can be the same opinion they expressed during an executive session, because that's still

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the remains of their personal opinion, the discussion that had during executive session can't

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be relayed.

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If you are unable to relate anything that was discussed during executive session but you

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can venture an opinion as long as it doesn't align to what was in the executive session.

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Your own opinion.

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So if your opinion is I want Sue to be on the park or then you can still say I want Sue

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to be on the park or do not.

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Right.

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Because that's still your own personal opinion, whether it's expressed here.

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Thank you for that clarification.

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Finishes our consent agenda item, so now we'll move back to our work session.

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We'll circle back to the governance policy that we started talking about.

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So, may I put our template off to you so if you want to continue your overview?

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Very well.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So, I understand that everyone has, of course, the document that was provided in the packets

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And I'll just kind of reiterate that the committee took a look at the items that were presented at the retreats and such items were, as was mentioned before.

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And so with that being said, I think what might be a little more appropriate would be, if there's any quick questions, there is one particular item I'd like us to draw our attention to, but mayor with your permission,

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I'd like to first see if there's anything that perhaps the committee and I could address first

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um and then there is one item that I do want to groom council's it's just a two that's fine if

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you want to kind of draw their attention to that first and that way um we don't lose side of it and

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one of the one of the open it up to questions one of the first items I'd like to draw two is page 14

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I want to make sure I take this correctly but of the entire document, I know that Council

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member Young Sung as well understands this, or the entire document, this is really where

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there's a reference to City Charter 2.04, so I just want to make another of that publicly.

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And then the last portion that I want to bring attention to would be what I'm going to call

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as a double-edged sword and that is our 3.3 so if you can go backwards please if

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probably a test or not I am if you're there already at age 5, thank you so I think this

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might be where we wish to have most of our discussion but 3.3 and then 3.4 are written

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there, but I think there's a healthy discussion that I want a point that we had in the committee

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and that is that, you know, it could be best summarized as double as sore if that makes

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sense.

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You know, once it's here, as it is written there, it really applies to all of us and in

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instances, and so I just want to submit to counsel that if this is something that is left here,

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if that's what the majority of us decide to, then this is again something that would be bound

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to page 13,

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yeah, definitely. So what was here before?

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Prior? Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

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during the summer. And in the best attempt to try to capture the spirit of what that was

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during the summer is what you see here as a 3.3 and a 3.4.

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Council Member Young-Sun.

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Thank you.

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Mayor Prokten.

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This 3.3, in the past, experiences that, especially about endorsement, they've been loosely

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the indoors members, the mayor has been indoors of the candidates.

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At the same time, there's a one thing that will stand out, or it's not here, or say

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verbatim, about recommendation.

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When council member recommends someone, especially someone in our city students, like for

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instance, someone who's in senior high school needs some recommendations that means so much

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to them getting scholarships, references,

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they'll know who you've grown up with.

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Those are very, very important subjects

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that we can give, that reference to give some hope

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and better opportunity, better chance to get that scholarship.

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For us to be able to recommend someone like that,

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so much who you know, that who you grew up with,

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who you know as family members, who really needs it.

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So, at that, somehow to put input that in there, in there to help to relieve some of

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the disordered needs so that we could get a chance to, if it's a tip over scenario situation.

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So I'd like to somehow either incorporate that in there or have a separate item to input

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that in there.

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I know it's been on our council members, but approved, we've not proved this shot now,

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used, I believe it's endorsed, but it's been doing that many, many years and many in

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the past.

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So, that's not part of our life.

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Mayor, with your permission, if I could just ask Mayor to something, I just want to make

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sure we understand that, you know, staff doesn't make the rules, right?

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But Mayor, if possible, with 3.3 and 3.4, and I think we can maybe come right to Council

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As a member, Young's question, with 3.3 and 3.4 hypothetically, if this was adopted,

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accepted, you know, what would that imply for a typical council member?

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Or would this mean?

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Just to break down the language, it says you cannot use your official position.

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So what that would do in a situation like Council Member Sung is mentioning, is you couldn't

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write a recommendation letter for somebody and sign Council Member.

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You could write a recommendation letter from Young Sung, but not from Council Member Sung.

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Because you cannot use your official position or the privileges of the position.

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And that part of the privileges of the position goes to using your position.

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So if you take a picture in the back of the police department of yourself with the police officer,

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you can't use that for your campaign.

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Now, if you're out in the public, you can.

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Because the members of the public don't have access to the back part of the police department.

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And you can't use the DIAS to announce things, and you can't use your title to say things

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because that would be a violation of this provision.

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So posting on social media with your title, saying you're running for office from the

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DIAS, all the things that y'all have complained to me about would not be able to happen anymore.

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And this is from the federal definition.

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So, can we, can you based on Texas Ethics Commission or other requirements outside of this document, right?

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If this, if this 3.3 was not on this document at all, are, is there any other rules that exist that provide some level of governance for candidates and office holders relative to some of these types of things?

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There are certain requirements regarding promotion of a business or things like that.

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So I added some of those Texas things in here as we were discussing them, just to make

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sure that the language matched Texas law because the promotion of a business or service

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or thing, or candidate, you're not supposed to use your official position to endorse a

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candidate.

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We're not supposed to lobby.

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There's all these rules out there and I don't know the ethics commission by heart because

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A, I don't want to get into advising you as a candidate so I don't moderate, but that's

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where someone comes from.

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Quick question.

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Meredith, thank you for that.

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But when we go to ribbon card, our pictures are taken, and sometimes they say Councilmember

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Pendleton, Councilmember.

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So it means we cannot use that, or other people cannot use that.

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You would not be able to use it for yourself.

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I mean, how do you avoid that if they don't do that?

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Yeah, it's there's concern that this could be a separate novel.

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I'll say that down all over the place.

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I don't have this because that's not a violation of state law.

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It would be a violation of this because what what y'all said at the

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strategic retreat and what Andrew took and what I wrote down is you

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didn't want election hearing, right?

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And then other people don't want council members to use their official

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position to do certain activities like endorsing candidates.

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So all of that is encompassed in the same way.

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You can't you can't carve it out.

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You can't say that you're taking it.

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You can't say.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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What's something you said?

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We can't use it like Councilmember Salisane.

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We'll go to a ribbon cutting.

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Yeah.

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We can't use that for ourselves.

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But say if the participant that we went to says we had Councilmember X here at our ribbon cutting

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is that okay?

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They can use it.

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They can because it's not-

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They're not bound by your government policy.

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Well, if he's not campaigning, can he put it on there?

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Sure.

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I went to the ribbon cutting today and saw this brand new dentist place.

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And we only talk about ribbon cuttings that are administered by the City of Carroll.

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We're talking about anything that you can do because of the privilege of your position.

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So you taking, yeah, you know, like taking a picture, sitting with me in my office,

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most people don't get to come into my office. You know, it's not like the City Attorney's office is

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opening the public the same way the City Secretary's area is focused. So it's kind of like that.

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Wow, is it possible for you to specifically point out what is already in the Texas audience

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and what is not so we can be able to delineate between what we're actually enforcing as

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ourselves that is not in the U.N.

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Not at the top of my hand.

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And again, my suggestion is that striking something's one thing, right, because this is an

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and I think if you all want to strike this item or leave it, that's up to you.

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That's up to you.

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What my previous comment about editing this from the DIES is wordsmithing something that

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might have unintended meanings and so forth, striking, accepting or rejecting an edit

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is not what I'm talking about.

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I think you should review and accept and reject edits, and in this particular one, I would

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And I would like to understand what this particular edit is something that the council is consensus on.

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Is there any deadline other than self-imposed?

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That's okay, so we don't have to approve this tonight.

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That's correct.

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And I think because I have three edits, and I don't think we want to get into it right now.

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I've got way more than three.

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It's a good time to talk about it because each individual council member can't go back to mayor at them.

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I put in an end and then let's bring it back. So if there's something in here, you're like, hey, I, 3.3, I don't want that at all. Then we need to get some consensus. And anything that you make in a measure at it, I would suggest that needs to go back to the Finance Committee for reconsideration. I want this major edits. I want the governance committee that we set up as a lot of houses to go back. The work session part is in red and everything else is here.

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yellow? Can someone interpret for me with the red versus the yellow?

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When I sent you, there was one error where it was red. I don't know why, but oh, it's because

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I added that language for a certain few clarification, um, so I can't read. Based on the discussions of

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the finance government, the digital, whatever,

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the, there was some concerns raised at one point

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about pre-meeting versus work session.

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And so this was just combined with two

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so that it didn't look funny on the agenda anymore.

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It was more of this your practice.

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Like, you know, somebody said,

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I don't want to see every comment.

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Well, before the meeting,

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I went through and was read the default document

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Yeah, it's been a while, it's, and originally it said, shall be reviewed annually, um, I don't know where the, and the discussion that we held is at, that's really, it's really a council thing, right, because this is our document. Yeah, and so, um, but yes, Mary, you're correct, that's the wording on this document.

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Does it remain that way or periodically?

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That's what we reviewed on an annual basis and modified a council direction.

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And so I think that's still fair. We just make sure that it becomes part of this finance.

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You know, if they're ad hoc role, they have a meeting side to your kind of make sure that

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they review it and council has an opportunity to kind of give some talking points.

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But in the past, he has not done review annually.

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It has not been, right? So we're out of compliance, but this council is bringing it in compliance.

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So why don't we just because it probably does make sense to at least see if we have edits for further discussion.

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We don't have to take action. I think we will. It seems like this consensus to pull it. We'll pull this item.

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We don't have to table it, right? We'll just polish.

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So we'll just start page by page page four. Any comments on?

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Yes, sir.

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So if you go back to that three page,

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I'm sorry, page four is the purpose, permit any interest financial

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or otherwise.

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I think I had a question about what otherwise.

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Financial or otherwise.

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So it's financial or personal or financial would be, would be the spelled out from the state law, but

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any interest at all.

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So Council members shall not permit any interest, personal, familial, any sort of interest whatsoever, to conflict with the proper discharge of duties in the public interest.

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So anything that would be your personal preference, anything?

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Anything?

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Anything?

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If there's a conflict of interest for instance, I mean, giving something, yes, will.

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That's not this section.

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That's not this section, but that could be, that could be, it's a section certainly that

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addressed in here and it could be a financial benefit that you've received so it would fit this,

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either way it fits this description, right?

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Right, a gift could be financial, it could be a kind,

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right.

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But our same manager referenced that on the earth,

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we treat about, there's something about logo,

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has a different city or point system, has no interest value.

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So I'll tell you what, what I'm hearing is there's some,

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we're going to send this back to committee, right, to review.

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So why don't we, so I'm circling interest, right?

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Or is there something for them to maybe see if this is what this, if it needs further

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explanation?

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Yes, I mean, just like when we went to TMAO, I mean, there's all the vendors out there

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giving out pens that doesn't have their name on this.

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Well, that's a gift issue.

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This is just conflicting with your proper discharge of your duties.

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So, you shouldn't vote on something if you have an interest that creates some sort

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of, that creates it so that you're not acting in the best interest of the public.

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That's what this sentence is about.

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Is that what it means?

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There's a house next door to yours and we're voting on the house next door.

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And you have an interest on what they do next door because you live there.

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You may not have a financial interest, but you have a personal interest.

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You have to do what's right for the city, not what's right for you.

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That's what it's saying. Do what's right for the city, not what's right for you.

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That's otherwise. It's not financial. It's otherwise.

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So that's what it means.

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But in most cases, isn't it? I mean, you already mentioned familial and I think there's already some language that talks about the different levels of

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You thank you

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I didn't know if we could if that could be otherwise could be

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More better clarified. I just think I don't think you could write everything in here

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There there's got to be a degree of common sense that if you're putting yourself above the public interest and you're in a role of voting

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It's inappropriate.

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Well, part of the conundrum now is that there's been a request to add penalty to this.

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And so now, the language becomes infinitely more...

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I think there's always been penalty.

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Yeah.

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It's theoretically.

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There's always been because it's always been one of your rules because 2.04, because this

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is adopted by an ordinance, 2.04 has always applied. We're just adding it in, the board

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of the committee is adding it in, so that there's no, I guess, as we say in my house,

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it has on that page. So, anybody say that besides me? I don't know. And it's a German thing.

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There's also a bit of time for folks to just review the City Charter.

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Right. Because 2.04 said if you violate any, must miscontact means violating any law and

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and an ordinance is a law.

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So, this just makes sense.

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Well, I'll tell you what, I want to,

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we got to move on.

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So, we're going to send this back regardless.

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I would, on this page, we're going to ask them

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to the committee to look at this

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and see if this needs to be further expanded on,

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maybe modified.

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Purpose seems very long.

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Yeah.

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It's not like a strategic goal.

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I think, you know, so-

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Just going to be complicated on that

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because you have to thank through a million scenarios

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that we can't put into this.

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My kid goes to that daycare,

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So I have an interest in it, not a financial interest.

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But we're going to send this back to committee and they may strike some purpose there in short

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and a little bit more to the right, it was more than double, it was only about 5.1 people.

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All right, so section 3.3, card that we want to adopt and fully reviewed.

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I'd like to see that, I mean, certainly we want to avoid electioneering, specifically electioneering.

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Now, to promote, you know, we attended a ribbon cutting today, but based on this, I'm

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not sure I could even mention who the ribbon cutting was, because would that be a promotion?

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I mean, do I need to turn my label away from the camera?

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These are all fair points.

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So we ought to, we ought to send this back and determine whether this needs to be stripped

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Again, modified, does the committee, again it's you three, you guys are the committee that

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are going to go back, do you feel like you have a grasp of some of these concerns that

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are being raised?

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Yes, thank you, ma'am.

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Number three dot four, which is social media side of this, I'm, I'm passionately opposed to

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this, because it says we cannot discuss social issues.

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In my interpretation, council members have a duty as the representative of Carroll's

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residents to share information, such as what's happening at the old Hallebert location.

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That's certainly a question that comes up on social media when we're going to get our

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roads allied or sidewalks fixed.

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You know, maybe we want to tout the new mobile blocking trailer and explain why we're having to buy that new pool vehicle.

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All these kinds of things.

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Social media also is probably the number one way that residents choose to interact with us.

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They're representatives.

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And that, you know, by...

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Well, I just want to remind you this is already your policy.

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What is stated here is already your policy.

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That is not in that this is a new section.

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But it's party in your social media policy that council has adopted not by ordinance,

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but it is already this is word for word from what your social media policy is just encompasses it.

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So when I'm looking at this 3.4 discussing city issues, well, even if it's in the policy,

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And

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there's one thing to not discuss what's in closed session, or agenda, or agenda,

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or agenda.

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But I think when you start, because we all have a right to talk about things that we want

453
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:06,860
to talk about as a citizen, but I do know that, you know, for city agenda items, this should

454
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:07,540
not be discussed.

455
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,120
And so, I think.

456
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:13,680
There's a forum issue there, definitely, and that's what the social media policy was designed

457
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:20,120
to prevent is when you discuss something that's related to city business, and that could come before you,

458
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,280
you potentially have created an open meetings act violation.

459
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:28,040
That's the sole basis of the social media policy that's been in place since probably 2016.

460
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:37,700
So, city issue versus an agenda item that's being considered by council, to me, those are two different things.

461
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,520
There are two different things.

462
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:41,020
So like how I'm going to slide, I'm sorry, I'm going to make a big issue.

463
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:43,960
But anything can be an issue.

464
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
It's a definition of an issue.

465
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,800
Again, that's exactly right.

466
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:51,800
If you have three people, it's kind of a daisy chain type of thing, right?

467
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,280
That's, I think, worried.

468
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:54,780
Yeah.

469
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,380
And what I'm saying is, so if you reference the Haliburton property,

470
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,940
that's not the city property, they have permits issued by the city,

471
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,580
but there's no in the line.

472
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,460
I mean, unless, I don't remember an economic development,

473
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:07,720
so it's not a city issue.

474
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:09,520
It's an issue in the city.

475
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:16,480
Like that, 25,000 postcards mail out, there was a lot of confusion and I would have liked

476
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,180
to be able to share something to help people understand it, but there was nothing to share.

477
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:28,660
This needs to be, I mean, going through so many of these edits, there's so much of it

478
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:35,580
that appears to be addressed to remove the potential, right, the perception.

479
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:44,440
And if you were going to try and do that across the board to, you know, and call the Open

480
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,780
Meetings Act as justification, then we would never, you know, at no point would more

481
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:54,380
than one council member ever be at an event because there's always a potential.

482
00:41:55,300 --> 00:42:05,560
And so I think at some point that, you know, if you want to say, you know, you know, active

483
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,980
and there's still a decision to be made, you know.

484
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,740
I also think part of this came out of the mayor speaks

485
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:19,660
for the city and then staff markets for the city.

486
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:24,320
So we frame things in a way to create a consistent, unified

487
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,640
brand and that kind of thing.

488
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,300
So if each individual council member takes their take

489
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,080
on whatever it might be in the city,

490
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,960
while it may not be on the agenda this week,

491
00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:45,000
I mean that's where the element comes up that's your forum it may not be in a meeting with a hundred people. It's online with two thousand people.

492
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:52,880
Okay so I'm going to I'm taking a few notes for the committee because like what I heard are things around open meetings act right.

493
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,380
I heard around speaking for the city right when that's not our that's not a person's role necessarily right.

494
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:00,840
It really hasn't been a problem.

495
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:11,380
I mean, we haven't had somebody come out saying, no, you're representing yourself as the city versus, you know, somebody expressing their personal opinion or thoughts on something.

496
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:24,180
Well, I'm not sure that it hasn't happened, but regardless, that again, if we, the committee's hearing your input directly, making their notes.

497
00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:33,840
I have my own issues with 3.3 and 3.4 as well, so I think it's important that we, if there are other items beyond open meetings acts,

498
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:41,540
being for the city, agenda items, we want to make sure that we have a level of transparency with our citizens, right, that we can communicate.

499
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:52,800
They like that engagement. I think that we want to make sure whatever lands here is, is that we don't preclude a council members engaging, being engaged in their community.

500
00:43:52,800 --> 00:44:04,740
I think the only thing that should be here is what the state law requires, and if that's already state law then it doesn't need to be in here.

501
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:08,740
So that's for consideration, is it redundant to state law?

502
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:09,840
I think that's a fair point.

503
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,480
Members

504
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:15,530
may not be aware of state law.

505
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:18,090
Happy to provide that.

506
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:21,090
But ignorance is, ignorance is no excuse, right?

507
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:27,690
So I think part of the part of the requirement is going

508
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:33,150
towards the enforcement side has to do with intention now.

509
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:33,830
Yeah.

510
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:34,530
Okay.

511
00:44:35,710 --> 00:44:36,110
Of course.

512
00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:36,970
I'm going to use that.

513
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:37,650
It's not.

514
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:39,250
I don't think so.

515
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:39,970
I don't think so.

516
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:40,170
Okay.

517
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:45,010
Under work sessions, I always try to not surprise that, but this is

518
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:49,270
We're not there yet.

519
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:55,110
I'm on 5.1 to you. Page 6 14 is out after her before.

520
00:45:00,940 --> 00:45:28,580
We've got the heads. Yeah, we're at 5.30 now. I want to go ahead and start with 4.6, but we can go back to that. That's fine. 5.30, Nancy. I find work sessions usually are just a posting with no information. That's where it comes for me to try to send questions before we end, because oftentimes we have no information. I try to never surprise that, but I don't use a question. That's your first question.

521
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:31,160
That's right, because it's the same, so I would say that.

522
00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:34,600
It should be regarding agend items on the work session.

523
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:42,260
So this particular council members are encouraged to send questions to staff about agenda items, right?

524
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:47,620
Normal, normal session agend items prior to work session.

525
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,440
I would take work session.

526
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,520
Well, the work session is where those questions might be addressed.

527
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:03,360
So you might have had a question on item number 29, you're encouraged to send questions

528
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,240
related to number 29 so that we can then part of the work session so it can be addressed

529
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:07,820
in work session.

530
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,280
I just would say prior to the council meeting.

531
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:14,560
You guys got it.

532
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:20,880
Richard you had one on four, four, four, four, four, six, the mayor will coordinate with

533
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,180
municipal judge is wearing all newly elected Councillors, I would like to have something

534
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:34,500
that says, you know, the council members can coordinate and provide their, provide their

535
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:36,140
personnel for their sworn in, if possible.

536
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:44,620
This was, it wasn't considered by the, it wasn't considered at all, so maybe when we have

537
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:45,780
the meeting, you can bring that up.

538
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,840
I just want to talk about that there, because I want to, yeah, so you don't necessarily, if

539
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:55,240
If you would rather have somebody else who's legally able to

540
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,720
officiate that you could be sworn by somebody else.

541
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:58,780
Got it.

542
00:46:59,180 --> 00:46:59,500
All right.

543
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,320
We'll add that to your longer list.

544
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,780
We're in one real quick, three out of one.

545
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,380
It has to do with received detail for work session discussion ahead of meeting.

546
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,160
I'd like to see if we can specify further in advance.

547
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:18,560
Because right now we're not getting those

548
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,180
things.

549
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:25,440
stuff like this and this was a lot to digest and relatively

550
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,380
sure. And I'm sorry that I didn't send this out last week.

551
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,440
I was at a seminar. Oh, no, no, that's okay, but they're going back to

552
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,440
what Debbie and Mayor Prokham are saying in our work sessions,

553
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:40,460
specifically, we just we get no detail. We get typically a memo

554
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:44,320
on work session items on work sessions. Yeah. So and that's and again,

555
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,800
keep in mind that is the first briefing with no vote or

556
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:55,800
I understand that, but a lot of times, like today, we have a work session item and then we have a vote.

557
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:03,580
That does occur, but generally speaking, work sessions are your very first briefing.

558
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:12,920
And if there's not an agenda item, you know, to be, if there's not a decision to be made that same day, that's absolutely different, different manner.

559
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,440
Okay, so and again it currently says shall be presented in advance of council policy

560
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:22,760
You've got the committee can review whether it needs to accentuate in advance or not

561
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:28,180
All right, moving on. I'm going to skip to

562
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:33,220
Say 14 I think unless there's anything between I got a lot to in between

563
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,220
Starting 4.1

564
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:42,250
Okay, and again work those weren't intentional a

565
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:55,610
We gave we gave areas to address at our annual meeting and that's what this way you look at that's what we're looking at I don't think we're looking to go through the entire ordinance for edits at this stage.

566
00:48:55,870 --> 00:48:58,350
Do you want to send me a list of the ones that you wanted to do?

567
00:48:59,190 --> 00:49:01,890
I'm happy to send all my thoughts here.

568
00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:09,630
You can you can of course do that and I will be I will relay them because of course I can't give them to them because that makes you part of the quorum.

569
00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,530
So send them to me and then if they want to take them up that's their decision.

570
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:23,400
Okay, so otherwise we're going to, I'm going to go through the items that were modified to see if there's further discussion.

571
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:24,840
5.18, not a compliance.

572
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,580
I think we heard a lot on this.

573
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,540
There's, it is intentional.

574
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:33,100
It is currently, it might be a little bit more explicitly stated here.

575
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,000
Is that 1-8, page 14?

576
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:49,040
So my problem with 5.18 is it refers to the charter section 2.04 but in my mind it is

577
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:57,340
expanding because if I'm not mistaken the whole term official misconduct was first added

578
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:07,680
to the to the charter and last year or was that one there before okay so there

579
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,300
are several

580
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,880
definitions of official misconduct and I don't know that this

581
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,940
particularly it seems like we're adding by staying all of this you know a

582
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:26,720
noncompliance with some you know some of the stuff that's discussed here

583
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,800
qualifies as, uh, Mr. official, Ms. Khan.

584
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,840
No, I'm not asking questions early enough.

585
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:35,140
Okay.

586
00:50:36,060 --> 00:50:36,220
Yeah.

587
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Exactly.

588
00:50:36,820 --> 00:50:41,540
I mean, the policy, so if you decide you don't want it to be in here and not adopted by ordinance,

589
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:43,220
then you don't make it part of your policy.

590
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:49,880
Well, so I pulled a couple definitions of the way out of Web of what constitutes official,

591
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,460
misconduct.

592
00:50:50,460 --> 00:51:03,220
This one's from the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, says, means no offense that it's intentional or knowing violation of the law committed by a public servant while acting in an official capacity as a public servant.

593
00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:05,820
Does that match with what the charter says?

594
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,700
Because it's what the charter says.

595
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:34,840
So, by law, it would mean an ordinance that y'all adopt, so you would need to change the charter if you want to change the definition of an ordinance.

596
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:41,480
But, again, I'll list another example of the official misconduct.

597
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:43,840
This is by the Department of Justice.

598
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,940
Misconduct encompasses five principles fraud in office,

599
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,340
willful neglect of duty, abuse of official power,

600
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:54,460
excess of official authority, and oppression,

601
00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:57,940
where the unauthorized intentional inflection of injury upon a person.

602
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:08,280
And then another is how official misconduct defined with knowledge or intent seek to obtain

603
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,420
benefit from or harm another by engaging in contact that misuses their official power,

604
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:16,540
performing an act that is outside of their official role, refusing to carry out a function

605
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:20,880
that they're required by law to do, by laying a law relating to their role receiving a legal

606
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,580
benefit such as using insider knowledge or to gain.

607
00:52:23,580 --> 00:52:31,200
So, where I'm going with that is that these are all things that we can pretty much find as,

608
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:37,180
you know, probably elsewhere in the criminal code.

609
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:40,460
Well, but it's what your charter is. It's what controls this.

610
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,040
So even if you don't have this language in here.

611
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Yeah.

612
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:46,880
It's still, you're still bound by the charter.

613
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,320
So here's my suggestion, guys. We're going to send this back to committee.

614
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:58,020
I think we've got lots of legal verbiages to what could be construed as official misconduct.

615
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,840
We've got our city attorney basically saying it is as defined in the charter.

616
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:08,500
I think that the committee should be able to come back and determine whether putting the

617
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:14,800
term official misconduct in this policy is even required or whether it's simply just indicating

618
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:22,260
that this policy is intending to guide for our governance consistent with the charter.

619
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,760
Well, and I think what you guys need to consider as a body is if you just want this

620
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,920
to be your guidelines then it need not be in ordinance and that's okay. That's a choice you'll

621
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,900
have to make. You all need to make that choice because once you make it a law it reverts back

622
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:43,220
to the charter period whether it's in here or not. You can repeal your governance policy and not

623
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:47,460
have one, and you can strike through everything in here that you don't want to abide by, because

624
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:55,120
it's your cell police. So strike the stuff that you're saying, hey, this thing in here

625
00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:00,080
is not official misconduct, but we'll then strike it. Don't put it in here, because you're

626
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:07,440
bound by it now. You were and you are. So that's a truth. You need to cut the things from this

627
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,100
document. You don't want to be bound by.

628
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:20,580
But there's also a discussion that says 5.18 does not exist in the in the in the governance policy, right as it's written, right doesn't mean that it doesn't apply, right, right?

629
00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:26,880
So committee should consider whether we need to explicitly state it, it's an ordinance in ordinance, right?

630
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:33,040
And then you go back to the charter and interpret. So I would I would I think we said enough there. I would suggest we move on.

631
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,940
Well, I think when you're, you know, if you're going to, as you're considering that, I mean, in fact,

632
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,580
if you may have brought 10 clients, you know, point, you know, is it what's striking you're out? Right?

633
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:56,080
Because then that could be easily be abused, and you know, that's just, I think there's too much room for abuse

634
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:03,820
use in there to add something like this that has not been in there before versus just relying

635
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:08,940
on what's our eggs and what's our out there be it in the charter and stay law.

636
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:13,860
So we think we're all in agreement that the committee will examine whether it even needs

637
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:14,300
to be in there.

638
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:15,520
Eight dot one.

639
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:20,500
See the council's conducting assaults in accordance with the charter requirements in this

640
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:22,560
And this policy is

641
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:25,120
there.

642
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:30,230
I mean, again, why is that, that's a redundant, right?

643
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:34,470
Chuck it himself, of course, with the charter requirements.

644
00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:42,730
Relating to the relationship of staff by, like, not directing staff or, you know, anything

645
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:43,010
else.

646
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:45,770
Everything in the charter that applies to the City Council.

647
00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:46,230
Yeah.

648
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:47,250
So that's already in the charter.

649
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:48,830
Again, I would wonder why.

650
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:50,590
Committee wanted.

651
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:54,470
I just want to see it twice.

652
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:56,010
8.2.

653
00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:05,610
This goes back to my comment about trying to address all potential and this is basically

654
00:56:05,610 --> 00:56:09,950
stating that council members may not respond at all to resident concerns.

655
00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:17,510
So we get an email, you know, hey, there's a, you know, the code enforcement is trying

656
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:22,890
and do something, and maybe we want to go over there and take a look.

657
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:25,270
We can't do that according to this.

658
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:28,150
And that's been later policy since 2016.

659
00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:35,770
Council members may refer to this, but may not use their position and intervene or respond.

660
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:38,090
That's assuming that that's new.

661
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:44,430
Well, yellow part is new, but it should, shall be forwarded to the city manager for appropriate staff action on a timely response.

662
00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:52,130
And we, you know, and I do that, but I also will, you know, request additional information

663
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:56,930
such as, you know, I'll request back, hey, can you give me your phone number address

664
00:56:56,930 --> 00:57:01,170
so that I can provide that to, and then, you know, the timely response can be made.

665
00:57:01,550 --> 00:57:07,250
I think one of the things that this does, and there are other spaces in this, and I kind

666
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:12,290
of question where some of the, some of the edits came from, whether or not they were council

667
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:13,330
or elsewhere.

668
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:17,910
A lot of what I've seen here is creating a bigger gulf between staff.

669
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:19,290
Sorry, I can't say no to people too.

670
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:21,290
These were all, staff doesn't make the rules right.

671
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:22,330
These were all from the committee.

672
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:26,330
What I'm seeing here is this creates a bigger gulf between staff and council.

673
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:33,530
And so we just got to keep moving, but I think your point is, this probably just should not,

674
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:35,570
this addition doesn't belong in here.

675
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:36,070
Is that?

676
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:37,650
That might, that's my opinion.

677
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:39,430
And I think that's fine for this.

678
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:40,570
I think we want to work together.

679
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:47,790
I don't disagree. I mean, ultimately, you can constrain this so far that you're going to be afraid to move as a council member, right?

680
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:51,550
Like I got a phone call to face water was cut off. I didn't know where to tell them to call.

681
00:57:52,230 --> 00:58:00,090
I mean, it doesn't change the fact that Aaron, our city manager, delegates who we can have direct interface with this group.

682
00:58:00,290 --> 00:58:07,850
And that is the executive team right now. And that is it. So we should recognize and that is the rules that we should all be operating on.

683
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:14,230
Committee can take all this discussion and decide whether this belongs or be edited.

684
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:18,870
8.3, the authority is granted to the body and not an individual member.

685
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:23,330
I mean, in this one, in this one, it's the same kind of thing.

686
00:58:23,810 --> 00:58:28,030
If it's granted only to the body and not an individual council member, which is a way,

687
00:58:28,070 --> 00:58:33,430
I think this is interpreted, that creates more obstacles between council members and staff.

688
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:39,670
So if, for example, if I have conserved that solid waste or a golf course operations as an individual council member,

689
00:58:39,730 --> 00:58:47,610
I cannot even bring that up so that you can bring it up, but you can't direct, you can't direct an investigation of it.

690
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:52,750
You can bring it up and say, hey, I have a concern about this and I would say, hey, I'll look into that.

691
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:59,730
But it says this, the city council may, the city council may inquire as a city manager about conduct.

692
00:58:59,730 --> 00:59:02,970
It says this authority is granted to the body and not to an individual member.

693
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:09,370
This could easily be interpreted as only the council's body can come together and how

694
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:10,030
will you do it?

695
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:12,310
Come in and say, hey, what's going on in a solid way?

696
00:59:12,450 --> 00:59:15,410
So what's going on with the golf course or whatever the case may be?

697
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:18,110
And so I think-

698
00:59:19,170 --> 00:59:23,190
I think the point of that line, I wasn't there for these discussions, it's just that you

699
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:23,750
can't direct.

700
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:28,830
Well, I mean, that's part of the charter, obviously no one council members is there.

701
00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:34,710
That's absolutely that inquire yeah this and it's it's inquiry to the city manager so I think

702
00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:41,230
Everyone understand kind of where the council members coming from sure and if I can if I can just share what we

703
00:59:41,230 --> 00:59:45,290
Spoken in the committee we we did discuss this and we left it there

704
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:53,670
Again unanimously because of the the majority and and I'm gonna defer to Meredith on on this because really my notes

705
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:57,990
That the body we interpret it as the majority vote if anything right, you know

706
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:59,370
And I think it was specific.

707
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,860
So we're looking at in this issue was specific to any other jump into, but I think it was specifically relating to a formal investigation of an issue of actually going talking to staff and trying to find out information as an individual council member. Yeah, the issue is special. I mean, I'm a little confused here. From my understanding from our city manager says, if we direct something to be done in the investigation, you say you look into it. I mean,

708
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:34,220
Are you saying you have a discretion to not do it or not do it or you have to do it?

709
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:39,820
No, I don't think that was the intent in the language and maybe that's that's just a flaw in the drafting that does do

710
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,660
The thought process was is that yes, you can inquire the city manager and so

711
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,100
The y'all's reading is you can ask me any question

712
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:53,760
What's it right now to read that but you can't say go conduct an investigation into Meredith

713
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,640
Yes, but the body can the body if the body felt to have intended in direct city manager

714
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,140
That's a body's decision not an individual understand, so it needs to be

715
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:08,580
So what what I'm hearing is that individually do that. She has discretion

716
01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:13,780
You can look into it. She may not as a body if it's if it would direct the

717
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:19,960
Investigation she must comply I probably wouldn't work here very long. I've been looking at the things

718
01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:23,820
All right. Let's go on. I think we've covered that one.

719
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,540
I think that's pretty.

720
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:31,600
I'm at the same event as another, you know, council member, or another, you know, a department head, right?

721
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:34,280
A director, not one of the, not one of the assistants, he matters.

722
01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:37,440
Hey, how are things going on, you know, going over there and public works?

723
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:42,140
Or, you know, that, is that an inquiry?

724
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,460
You know, I think this needs to stipulate maybe investigations if that's, if that's what we're talking about.

725
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:52,000
Okay, yeah, I think those are all fair comments.

726
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:53,440
We can have the committee look at those.

727
01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:55,780
Number 10-5 is the paying for travel?

728
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:57,300
I would just say this tends to go forward

729
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,420
because the same thing is the yellow soon.

730
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:05,900
So 10-5 is expenses, and I think this is basically

731
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:07,300
the thing that I'm talking about, right?

732
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,620
Most companies you have to get your expenses in

733
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:12,220
within a period of time seem to reasonable.

734
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:14,980
You guys reacted to 30 days.

735
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:23,500
to be said twice, but this now says they won't be reimbursed because before they were

736
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,440
being churned in late and still being reimbursed.

737
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:29,270
Okay.

738
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:29,590
Yes.

739
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:37,590
So the addition is they're explicitly saying so maybe that he can talk about rewording it so

740
01:02:37,590 --> 01:02:43,010
that it's one sentence and it doesn't seem any issues that generally with with the timeline

741
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:44,010
of 30 days.

742
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:44,230
No.

743
01:02:46,270 --> 01:02:46,630
45.

744
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:48,590
60, you guys.

745
01:02:49,350 --> 01:02:53,870
I mean, I would like to probably up to 60 with.

746
01:02:54,970 --> 01:03:00,770
You know, I mean, I know that you've talked about at the end of October or end of September,

747
01:03:01,550 --> 01:03:03,650
when they're trying to close out by doing all that good stuff.

748
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:04,970
That creates a problem.

749
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:09,090
And I know you are creating incentive to get timely adherence.

750
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:11,430
Yeah, if you turn them in and we have an issue with the budget,

751
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:14,030
We just want to turn them into finance, but at least we got them.

752
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:20,870
I think it was the concern that was raised to me, but from a staff perspective, it was about things not getting paid.

753
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:21,990
I'm turning it on to.

754
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:29,630
So will the committee examine that the 30 days is still there, consensus?

755
01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:37,950
Members shall recognize a special role among the page 23, the last one, but 10.8 is new, is it not?

756
01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,270
It wasn't highlighted, but it was moved.

757
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:46,670
Yeah, it used to have an intern travel,

758
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:54,030
but it was under 10.2, which is why there's a lot of weird space there.

759
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:59,620
The committee discussed this,

760
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,140
excuse me, up out of town and in town,

761
01:04:02,420 --> 01:04:05,240
so that it wasn't as muddy as it used to be.

762
01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:09,780
Local functions are very interesting.

763
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:19,800
So that part is, ten two does not include the reimbursement tax, does it?

764
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:20,780
Does it?

765
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:27,640
No, because the city will pay for those until there isn't a number.

766
01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:29,300
Because it's in town.

767
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,300
Which is subject to ten five in terms of getting your file.

768
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:37,460
Well, but what it says here, absence of special circumstances, such as emerged here, determined by the entire council.

769
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:42,360
So the Member of Council, he does not attend an event after the city has paid for him or her showroom

770
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,380
mercy to see the content.

771
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:44,620
That should have been highlighted, I apologize.

772
01:04:45,140 --> 01:04:46,120
Thank you, thank you.

773
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,480
It was my vote not highlighting it.

774
01:04:47,860 --> 01:04:48,580
I just missed it.

775
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,960
Yeah, so that, yeah, that is the truth, that's right.

776
01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:54,540
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

777
01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:57,160
Let's say, I have some special conversation with emergency as a term of lantern.

778
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:05,440
I mean, I think if there's, you know, something changes, something comes up and you want to say,

779
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:12,960
I've got a seat at this thing, can I offer it and maybe another council member take it.

780
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,870
And, you know, we do these things a lot of times that go to, maybe it's a metro press

781
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:24,610
or NAACP or something like that, a good cause, any ways.

782
01:05:25,690 --> 01:05:32,870
I would, I know you brought this up during the retreat as a, as a, as a, as a topic.

783
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:40,650
I think we're there trying to go, and you're making valid points there, at least that I can appreciate.

784
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:48,390
I think what they're trying to avoid is there could be council members that say, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to everything I'm going to get.

785
01:05:48,810 --> 01:05:56,950
So the city pays for everything pretty soon and becomes a cost overrun from a department perspective, just and you're not giving you collectively.

786
01:05:56,950 --> 01:06:03,010
collectively, we individually are not giving respect to fiduciary responsibility.

787
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:07,050
Has that occurred with any, you know, it has?

788
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:09,210
Yes, I mean, it's substantive.

789
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:10,730
This is why I was brought up.

790
01:06:10,810 --> 01:06:12,010
I ran out of money.

791
01:06:12,790 --> 01:06:14,170
This is why I was brought up.

792
01:06:14,850 --> 01:06:18,170
That was why the committee was asked to address it.

793
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:20,050
You raised a good point.

794
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:22,910
It's substitute attendees I think is certainly not

795
01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:25,070
the city got their money's worth.

796
01:06:25,070 --> 01:06:35,790
It's for the seats at something kind of thing. I think that people were concerned about. So why don't we why don't the let's have the committee kind of revisit that one and that I think that's all the edits we had.

797
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:38,050
So what's that?

798
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:38,990
I don't think it's 23.

799
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:40,690
I don't know if that last one either.

800
01:06:40,930 --> 01:06:42,010
Oh, that's the last bullet.

801
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:43,630
Yes, the last bullet item.

802
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:46,820
So that.

803
01:06:47,740 --> 01:06:55,020
I mean, I was a little broke record, but creating more wedges between council and staff.

804
01:06:55,020 --> 01:07:00,600
I mean, this is basically cannot meet or call, right?

805
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,180
Meet staff or speak with members of staff, not designated by the city manager.

806
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:10,920
So again, I'm at a metrics chamber event and there's, you know,

807
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:13,640
somebody else from in staff, can I speak to them?

808
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:19,100
You can't speak city business with them.

809
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:20,960
So for example, we had an event.

810
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:21,320
You cannot?

811
01:07:21,780 --> 01:07:25,260
No. So we had an event where council members were present and

812
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:31,540
that to the person organizing the event and gave them feedback on things at the event that if we

813
01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:34,960
just done this a little different if we just done that a little different this would have been a good

814
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,600
idea that would have been a good idea and that was very upsetting for that employee so it's

815
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:48,200
inappropriate that's directive and you guys can of course meet and greet staff hey guys how's it going

816
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,400
how's your dog how's your kid what are you up to but when you say hey what all is going on in public

817
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,480
works right now. What project are you working on? Are you going to finish that today? Are

818
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,980
you going to finish it tomorrow? You're putting staff in it. You're the big boss. You may not

819
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:09,220
feel like you are, but you are. And so that is why the charter is designed the way it is. I

820
01:08:09,220 --> 01:08:14,160
definitely want you guys. There's no wedge between Council and staff. Call me any time on any

821
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,120
question. Call anyone at this table any time on any question. But when you go to somebody at an

822
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,480
an event, and start asking them questions about the city.

823
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:23,900
When was that policy implemented?

824
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,440
How long is this going to take?

825
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:26,660
Any of those things?

826
01:08:26,860 --> 01:08:29,080
That's not your role as a council member.

827
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:32,660
I think there are opportunities to address it other than here.

828
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,500
And just like you address it in a new council member training.

829
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,060
New council member orientation.

830
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:38,560
That's fine.

831
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,440
You'll have to cover that, because I don't think anybody at this table wants any member of staff

832
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,620
to feel like they have nine different bosses.

833
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,420
And I think we want to clear on.

834
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:49,580
I feel like that.

835
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:52,320
We want you to fill that out.

836
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,420
I think we can clarify directions versus...

837
01:08:58,140 --> 01:08:58,360
Oh my god.

838
01:08:58,660 --> 01:09:00,980
You know, again, say, how are things...

839
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:03,060
How's the golf course doing?

840
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:03,740
I see.

841
01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:07,120
And I will clarify that this is what the charter says.

842
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:09,160
Is there supposed to be a wedge between counseling and staff?

843
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,080
There's supposed to be.

844
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,480
Because your interface with the staff is supposed to be with Aaron.

845
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:15,180
I do.

846
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:17,040
I think that's pretty much it.

847
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,620
That's absolutely the way it's supposed to be set up in a city manager form of government.

848
01:09:23,330 --> 01:09:28,050
It seems to me that there are the issues, the majority of the issues are being taken aren't

849
01:09:28,050 --> 01:09:30,610
necessarily with the ordinance but actually with the charter.

850
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:34,950
And I think if there's a review that needs to be made with the charter and how the charter

851
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:40,170
is awarded and how we're referring to it, I think that seems like a very different issue

852
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:41,610
than what we're speaking of now.

853
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:46,890
My only comment to the committee is that, and this is my original comment, I'm sorry,

854
01:09:46,890 --> 01:09:49,550
or if we're iterating again, but if there are places

855
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:51,770
either within the charter or in Texas law,

856
01:09:52,150 --> 01:09:54,770
that we're referring to specifically in this ordinance

857
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:57,730
to reinforce that as a body to make sure

858
01:09:57,730 --> 01:10:00,370
that we are following we were reminding ourselves

859
01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:02,910
of these laws, then that should be stipulated

860
01:10:02,910 --> 01:10:05,370
and pointed out because it's not really a,

861
01:10:05,690 --> 01:10:07,830
I don't really see that as up for debate.

862
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:08,490
That's right.

863
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:11,250
Unless we want to actually debate what's in the charter

864
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:13,870
or we want to take issue with actually what's

865
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:15,270
in the existing laws.

866
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:20,670
us. And so so your point is just to to finalize if we could be able to

867
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:24,630
play those out or highlight those. I think that would be a big help that way.

868
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:28,310
When we go through them, we know what we're talking about. Are we talking about

869
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:31,590
the ordinance that we're anything additional in the ordinance that we're

870
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:35,910
actually discussing or anything that goes beyond above and beyond what actually

871
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:41,050
the law or the charter states or are we just following what the with the law

872
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:42,810
on in the charter actually states.

873
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:43,770
I think that would be helpful.

874
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:45,890
I feel like that's a matter of fact.

875
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:46,990
And we've got some else.

876
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:49,190
It's hard for all of the city managers responsible

877
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:52,490
if we're all giving multiple directions.

878
01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:54,670
She's the one directing the staff

879
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:57,910
and we're supposed to be directing her as a body.

880
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:58,430
That's right.

881
01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:00,630
And I'm just suggesting that we should be directing

882
01:11:00,630 --> 01:11:01,790
in quite a country.

883
01:11:03,130 --> 01:11:04,610
Let me ask Mayor for a few places.

884
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:07,830
Who brought this up as an edit?

885
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:12,850
which I mean, it was a, it was your self or young because Richard wasn't present.

886
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:19,030
Yeah, I think from the adders that were spoken at the summer retreat, these are discussions

887
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:24,890
that melts were taken and then we just have that discussion here specifically if that

888
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:25,390
makes sense.

889
01:11:25,870 --> 01:11:26,490
Councillor Poulter.

890
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:29,190
At the, at the retreat, we talked about the role of council.

891
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:31,930
That's probably where this comes from.

892
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:36,770
So committee, you all heard a lot of comments here, hopefully took some notes.

893
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:41,250
We will revisit this in the future, for now it stands bold.

894
01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:49,350
We have just under 10 minutes from a work session item.

895
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:52,070
Any of these items?

896
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:54,710
You should probably get the managed competition update in 10 minutes.

897
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:55,130
You think so?

898
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:56,210
10-15?

899
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:57,270
Yes, for sure.

900
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:59,050
Crystal can do it in three.

901
01:12:03,190 --> 01:12:04,270
You're a fast walker.

902
01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:12,980
Good evening Council, Crystal Voice, Strategic Services Director.

903
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:18,400
I'm going to take just a few minutes to review the results of the recent Nana's competition

904
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:25,640
review of four divisions of public work, specifically asphalt, concrete contract administration

905
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,160
and drainage divisions.

906
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:34,640
This review produced some significant changes to the public work operation, changes that

907
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:41,700
our necessary and exciting and really showcase the department's commitment to being market

908
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:42,180
competitive.

909
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,240
I'm not going to share that with you this evening.

910
01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:49,800
You've heard the managed competition interest so many times.

911
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,080
You probably recite this slide, so I won't belabor it.

912
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:58,000
Managed competition is the process in which we benchmark each city operation against comparison

913
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,760
cities, but also the private sector to ensure market competitiveness.

914
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,340
We do a deep dive into every department's performance metrics, as well as their

915
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:09,540
standard operating procedures to ensure best practices.

916
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:15,340
Manage competition has been in place for more than 20 years, and in that time we've used

917
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:21,740
it to right size the operation, to reduce expenses, to streamline processes, leverage new

918
01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:26,000
and existing technologies, and we've saved the health and taxpayers more than $45 million.

919
01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:27,300
So

920
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:34,850
the goal of a managed competition review is for the competing business unit to be declared

921
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:36,350
substantially competitive.

922
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:42,330
That means that their performance metrics are either comparable to or better than those

923
01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:46,430
of the comparison studies and any private sector equivalents.

924
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:52,530
If they're uncompetitive, then the strategic services team works with the competing business

925
01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:55,850
unit to identify strategies to close that performance gap.

926
01:13:57,010 --> 01:14:01,230
And if we can't close that performance gap, that's when we have to wrestle with the idea that

927
01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:05,770
perhaps that particular business function is better left to the private sector and we need

928
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:11,370
consider outsourcing. So we're going to review the results and the opportunities for improvement

929
01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:17,830
for each division, starting with asphalt. So this division provides several critical functions

930
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:24,130
for the cities such as utility cuts, excavation and also pothole repair. But they also take emergency

931
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:29,650
calls and that component right there gave this division the commanding competitive advantage.

932
01:14:29,650 --> 01:14:36,250
the to take a private entity and have them do all of our after hours on call

933
01:14:36,250 --> 01:14:40,990
work would cost an exorbitant amount money. And so this division was found to be

934
01:14:40,990 --> 01:14:44,970
substantially competitive, but they aren't without their opportunities for

935
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:50,090
improvement. You see asphalt is a temporary repair of a pothole. Let's meant to be

936
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:54,210
just a placeholder until the concrete division can come and replace the entire

937
01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:59,750
street panel due to a lack of capacity within the concrete division.

938
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,060
Which we'll talk about in a second, as well as some communication difficulties between the two divisions. Street panel replacements weren't happening fast enough. And so the asphalt team was sometimes patching the same pothole to and sometimes even three times. So that was something that the asphalt team asked to address during this management competition review.

939
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:31,140
Moving on to concrete, this division has certainly experienced some scope creep over the last couple of years. There is plenty of work to be done across our city and limited resources to do it.

940
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,860
So out of necessity, the concrete division had shifted their primary focus away from

941
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:42,380
street panel replacement and on to addressing some critical needs on major thoroughfares.

942
01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:45,880
So if you've driven down Josie over the last couple of months, you've seen our concrete

943
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:46,680
crews hard at work.

944
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:52,660
But the concrete division is simply not staffed or equipped to handle large-scale projects

945
01:15:52,660 --> 01:15:53,320
like Josie.

946
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,320
And so their performance metrics suffered.

947
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:59,640
And so when we took those metrics and benchmarked them against the parentors, they were found

948
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:05,160
to be uncompetitive. There's good news here. This is one of those times when an uncompetitive

949
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:10,560
division was able to address the performance gap and commit to a set of performance targets

950
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,260
that will bring them back into competitiveness. We'll talk more about how they manage that

951
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:15,220
in just a second.

952
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:21,490
The very nature of the contract administration division, which is wholly based

953
01:16:21,490 --> 01:16:26,670
in private sector pricing, meant that these guys were easy to deem substantially competitive.

954
01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:30,130
but what we had to address here was human resources.

955
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:33,310
At the beginning of the managed competition review,

956
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:35,730
the contract administration division of public works

957
01:16:35,730 --> 01:16:37,230
had three full-time employees,

958
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:40,990
a contract administrator and two public works inspectors,

959
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:42,450
one of which is wholly dedicated

960
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:46,610
to the I-35 expansion project for the foreseeable future.

961
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,090
And as Council's aware, there have been a lot of dollars

962
01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:53,130
that have been allocated to infrastructure projects

963
01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:53,990
in this budget year.

964
01:16:53,990 --> 01:17:00,370
And those are new initiatives on top of the recurring infrastructure replacement work that

965
01:17:00,370 --> 01:17:01,930
Public Works already does every year.

966
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:07,250
So if we're going to get it all done, we get it all done correctly, this division's going

967
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:07,850
to need some help.

968
01:17:10,940 --> 01:17:16,620
And finally, we have Drainage, a division that was meant to address Drainage Channel Maintenance

969
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:20,120
and Inspections, but has become your catch all division.

970
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:26,080
This division has been covering whatever public works emergency happens to arise that day.

971
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:30,220
Everything from standing water complaints to fish and muscle surveying,

972
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:35,000
great cleaning, ditch digging, street sweeping, graffiti cleanup, mattress in the road.

973
01:17:35,540 --> 01:17:37,060
It all falls to them.

974
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:44,020
So just the sheer amount of diverse work that this division handles and with a very small team,

975
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,080
they were deemed substantially competitive.

976
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:52,740
However, there's spread to thin for this model to be sustainable, especially considering

977
01:17:52,740 --> 01:17:57,280
that there have been some recent changes to federal and state regulations regarding

978
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,440
drainage channel maintenance, that now this division no longer has the focus or the expertise

979
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:03,000
to complete.

980
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:10,870
So, you've got four divisions who are making it work, but they are not providing.

981
01:18:11,650 --> 01:18:14,130
And the sustainability of their operations are in question.

982
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:17,210
So the Carrollton team does did what we do best.

983
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:24,170
The division supervisors came to the table with some well research, well thought out innovative ideas.

984
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:30,610
The strategic services team took those ideas and compared them to what other comparison cities in the area are doing.

985
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:39,490
And what came out of that was a significant reort to the public works operation that addresses each opportunity for improvement that we just covered.

986
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:45,870
Arguably, the biggest change is the evolution of the small contract administration division

987
01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:48,570
into a more substantial team.

988
01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:54,410
There is now a third public works manager, specifically dedicated to outside projects,

989
01:18:54,850 --> 01:19:00,650
and he has a team of five, including a contract administrator, a public works program coordinator

990
01:19:00,650 --> 01:19:02,610
and three full time inspectors.

991
01:19:03,330 --> 01:19:07,130
This team is going to oversee a whole host of programs, some of which they were already

992
01:19:07,130 --> 01:19:11,810
overseeing like screening walk contracts and the 90-10 sidewalk program, but they're

993
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:16,890
also going to take on some new projects, including drainage repair and cleaning, and they

994
01:19:16,890 --> 01:19:20,870
also have the additional resources that they need to bid and monitor those large-scale

995
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:21,810
street projects.

996
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:27,910
So with drainage maintenance now under contract administration, that allows your drainage

997
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:31,710
division to evolve into something new, a special operations division.

998
01:19:32,430 --> 01:19:36,130
That division will continue to focus on those day-to-day critical needs that arise.

999
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:43,510
The concrete and asphalt crews will be merged into one single streets division, now that

1000
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:48,150
the crew that repairs potholes and the crew that does the street panel replacement report

1001
01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:53,850
to the same supervisor, we can expect better project coordination and communication between

1002
01:19:53,850 --> 01:19:55,010
these two key projects.

1003
01:19:56,250 --> 01:20:00,770
The remaining crews that were left at that former asphalt division, those are the crews

1004
01:20:00,770 --> 01:20:05,390
that handle utility cuts and excavation, they'll remain together as a utility replacement

1005
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:12,170
division. And finally, we've created a new compliance officer position, which reports directly

1006
01:20:12,170 --> 01:20:16,010
to the public works director. This is a page that we stole out of the public safety

1007
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:21,370
playbook. It's a duplicate of a position that reports directs. The position will oversee

1008
01:20:21,370 --> 01:20:26,190
ongoing reporting and compliance activities that are required by the federal government, the

1009
01:20:26,190 --> 01:20:32,370
Texas and other regulatory bodies, and it will also oversee department safety and training initiatives.

1010
01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:39,290
Council, if you remember some months ago, I brought forward the managed competition results of a couple other divisions of public works,

1011
01:20:39,390 --> 01:20:45,950
and we talked about the need for an on-site CDL testing facility, this position will oversee that initiative.

1012
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:54,590
So that's a lot of moving parts, and you might be asking yourself, how much is this going to cost?

1013
01:20:55,610 --> 01:21:00,030
And that's the good news within this story is that it's not going to cost anything.

1014
01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:03,730
In fact, public works is getting back an awful lot.

1015
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:08,570
Thanks in large parts of that newly created contract administration division and their

1016
01:21:08,570 --> 01:21:13,330
ability to take on more contracted work, the public works leadership team determined that

1017
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:16,490
there were a number of vacancies that they no longer need to fill.

1018
01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:21,270
Now while several of those vacancies were repurposed into the new positions that we talked

1019
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:28,550
about, they've eliminated five vacant FTE positions and that gives us a recurring savings

1020
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,830
of $170,000 in personnel costs.

1021
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:36,710
Something else that this rework does is it creates a succession plan for that public

1022
01:21:36,710 --> 01:21:38,470
works manager over outside contracts.

1023
01:21:39,290 --> 01:21:43,190
At the beginning of this managed competition review, we didn't have that.

1024
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:49,690
We had a rock solid contract administrator, but there was a wealth of knowledge and expertise

1025
01:21:49,690 --> 01:21:52,550
that was going to leave when that position inevitably turned over.

1026
01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:57,310
But now we have an internal that's going to be actively learning from that person.

1027
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:05,200
So that's the end of my presentation, and I do want to emphasize one thing, nearly 100%

1028
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,300
of the outcomes of this managed competition review were brought forth by the public works

1029
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:11,300
division supervisors.

1030
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:18,180
They showed up to their managed competition review the way that the way that you need to

1031
01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:22,360
to win. They were confident in their skills. They were committed to being the best. They

1032
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,260
were honest about where they struggled but they also came with well thought out ideas

1033
01:22:26,260 --> 01:22:31,460
on how to make it work. So that's a real testament to them and their leadership and their

1034
01:22:31,460 --> 01:22:36,300
commitment to the Carrollton difference as well as that of Jody's and his leadership team.

1035
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:41,240
So I'll stick around if you have any questions but there is one thing that I wanted to do.

1036
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:43,040
I want to introduce you to somebody in special.

1037
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:45,460
Council,

1038
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:52,050
it is my pleasure to introduce you to Kirk Iverson.

1039
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:55,290
He is your brand new public works manager over outside contracts.

1040
01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:58,930
Kirk is new to the position but not new to Carrollton.

1041
01:22:59,270 --> 01:23:01,990
He was our contract administrator for coming up 12 years in January.

1042
01:23:02,170 --> 01:23:02,930
Coming up 12 years?

1043
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:03,050
Yeah.

1044
01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:07,870
So he has a ton of great experience with the city, a ton of great experience with contracts,

1045
01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:11,970
and I have a feeling he'll be a frequent face at council meetings in the future.

1046
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:17,990
I was like, like, Jody has anything to say about it, so just briefly great for the opportunity

1047
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:20,090
and right now you get to work, so thank you very much.

1048
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:21,690
Thank you very much.

1049
01:23:26,170 --> 01:23:26,970
Does this help?

1050
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:30,150
I know hiring in public works was kind of hard.

1051
01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:34,310
Does eliminating the five FFPs help that any year?

1052
01:23:34,750 --> 01:23:35,590
Is it still hard?

1053
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:39,460
I don't have to defer.

1054
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,660
No, I actually get to do the hiring in public work.

1055
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:48,090
Jody, by any chance, public work director, it's still hard.

1056
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:53,570
It doesn't make it easier to hire for the open positions we have.

1057
01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:58,910
It's just eliminated five positions that we hadn't filled in a while, so we still struggle.

1058
01:23:59,010 --> 01:24:02,150
We've got really good for a while, but we're getting close to holidays, it's slow down.

1059
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:03,870
It's a hard physical job.

1060
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:09,370
There's not a lot of training for some of the jobs that they do, and we certainly won't just

1061
01:24:09,370 --> 01:24:09,970
take anybody.

1062
01:24:10,350 --> 01:24:16,030
So we're a bit picky too, and I will say that Jody goes above and beyond and filling

1063
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:16,650
those positions.

1064
01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:20,010
I mean, he will individually look at each single one

1065
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:22,010
and come up with a strategy on how to fill it.

1066
01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:24,010
So I appreciate that.

1067
01:24:24,570 --> 01:24:24,870
Thank you.

1068
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:25,950
Well, yeah.

1069
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:28,310
Now, I was a little confused because I saw

1070
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:32,510
under their running fan and then under you.

1071
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:33,930
And I was also underutilized.

1072
01:24:34,050 --> 01:24:37,070
Was that supposed to be for overutilized?

1073
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:39,810
I'm sorry.

1074
01:24:39,930 --> 01:24:41,950
Help me find where your car is right now.

1075
01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:42,630
It was running.

1076
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:43,170
It was on the right.

1077
01:24:43,210 --> 01:24:43,850
Benchki going.

1078
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:46,770
So there was two thinnly deadings.

1079
01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:49,630
It's smaller than it's a great two fence, so I mean, so that?

1080
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:57,230
Yeah, so when drainage was first formed, their primary job duties was just drainage maintenance

1081
01:24:57,230 --> 01:25:02,770
and inspections, but over the years, they have taken on more and more work, depending

1082
01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:05,670
on what, whatever the needs are at the city that day.

1083
01:25:06,330 --> 01:25:10,830
There have been some additional regulations that have been added, that have required reporting

1084
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:15,330
and a certain level of expertise now, but now that this drainage division is doing so

1085
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:20,670
much work, the expertise that we may have had once upon a time no longer exists.

1086
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:26,710
And so by contracting out drainage, putting that under contract administration, having

1087
01:25:26,710 --> 01:25:32,150
the compliance officer do the reporting and the federal regulations, then drainage

1088
01:25:32,150 --> 01:25:33,690
can now be special operations.

1089
01:25:34,510 --> 01:25:39,490
So they'll be able to handle those tasks, even with their small team, having taken out

1090
01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:40,170
the drainage part.

1091
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:41,030
Got that.

1092
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:47,490
And that's one, but if you keep going, I think there was one where it said under utilized, keep going.

1093
01:25:47,710 --> 01:25:49,990
It was a paragraph, I think, keep going.

1094
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Maybe it's further further further further up. I'm trying to remember where that was.

1095
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:02,360
There it is. This division is under utilized and should grow as a facet of public work. So that's

1096
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:09,140
that's where you should have contract admin itself. And so by putting a drainage and

1097
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:13,680
The other department underneath there that now it's more fully.

1098
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:19,760
So we so we grew contract administration from a three person operation to now a six

1099
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:20,660
person operation.

1100
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:27,760
So the contract administration piece outsourcing more of that work that's the part that's

1101
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,720
underutilized.

1102
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,880
But now we've given them some additional resources to be able to take on more and manage more

1103
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,420
and make sure that things are appropriately done.

1104
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:35,240
Okay.

1105
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,220
I mean, I've talked about the asphalt and the concrete.

1106
01:26:39,460 --> 01:26:43,820
I know what I went on a long walk, not too long ago,

1107
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:46,440
and used the app to report a number of things,

1108
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:46,920
not directing.

1109
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:48,860
Just use the report.

1110
01:26:49,140 --> 01:26:49,560
You should always use that.

1111
01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:50,480
Use the report.

1112
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:55,600
And it was not a couple of weeks.

1113
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:00,120
And sure enough, most of that stuff was all completely prepared

1114
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,280
and prepared with concrete.

1115
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,720
So grateful for that.

1116
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:12,000
On this, the only thing I have to say is some entities call this Lean Six Sigma.

1117
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,560
Some entities apply for Baldurge Awards.

1118
01:27:15,380 --> 01:27:18,860
We skip all that fanciness and just do what's right.

1119
01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:24,180
And at the end of the day, there is someone constantly analyzing all of our functions to make

1120
01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:27,860
sure we are operating in the most efficient and cost effective way.

1121
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,000
And so this is just one example of it.

1122
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:34,480
We don't bring you every intricacy on managed competition, but these are the kinds of things

1123
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:38,500
that are going on in the background to make sure that we're providing the highest quality

1124
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:41,940
service at the lowest possible cost in all of our conditions.

1125
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,760
Check marks, a testament, so we appreciate all the work.

1126
01:27:46,980 --> 01:27:47,220
Thank you.

1127
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All right.

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Council, we will adjourn the work session for earlier as we go to regular meeting.

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He'll meet us out there at Porter Rattler.

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01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:32,900
Welcome to the regular, regular meeting for the city of Carrollton Council on October 25th.

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We will start our meeting with, as we always do, with our invocation that will be led by Mayor Pro Tem

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01:35:37,180 --> 01:35:43,680
Colossius and our pledged allegiance led by Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Pline. Please drive us.

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01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:44,200
It's

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01:35:48,070 --> 01:36:07,530
by our heads, Lord God, I pray for those who are hurting, I pray for the families, the family of police officer Nautam, the family of Philip Parker, pray that Jamaica is the strength to provide the support and comfort to them.

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01:36:09,460 --> 01:36:16,620
As a community, help us to be there for the families for one another during this time of difficulty.

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01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:25,700
I pray for healing, I pray for peace, that only comes from you, pray that you may wipe

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01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:27,600
where your tears and heal our hearts.

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01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:34,520
And I thank you, Lord, for every single man and woman that protect the city, that care

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01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:35,540
for the city of Carrollton,

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01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,630
give for our Carrollton Police Department, for everyone

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01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:44,330
Father God, that sends in the gap.

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01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:51,210
Thank you for the peace of the city of Carlton, because I know that you have the process of healing for us.

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01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:53,450
In the images we prayed, amen.

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01:36:54,290 --> 01:36:54,370
Amen.

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01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,300
Unfortunately, this is not like the United States of America.

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01:37:04,140 --> 01:37:12,080
And to the Republic, we're waiting to say, one nation, we're going to God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:21,200
Unfortunately, this is the Texas one state under God.

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01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,160
Okay.

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01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:35,180
We have a few proclamations I will start with presentations. I will ask that Mr. Andrew

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01:37:35,180 --> 01:37:36,780
Gaiette please join me at the podium.

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01:37:58,450 --> 01:38:01,670
All the red shirts, it's always good to see our

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01:38:01,670 --> 01:38:08,690
friends from the historic downtown Carrollton. Many of you know where the heart of Carrollton

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01:38:08,690 --> 01:38:15,450
is is in the downtown, historic downtown square. And these are the people that make all the

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01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:16,590
magic happened down there.

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01:38:17,530 --> 01:38:20,990
They've been through a lot over the years with expansion of 35,

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01:38:21,010 --> 01:38:22,990
with lots of construction.

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01:38:23,490 --> 01:38:24,830
They weather the storm.

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01:38:25,130 --> 01:38:26,930
They're definitely resilient.

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01:38:27,770 --> 01:38:30,190
So with that, I've got this proclamation, I'll read.

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01:38:31,390 --> 01:38:33,630
Whereas the Historic Downtown Carrollton Association

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01:38:34,270 --> 01:38:37,030
has been in existence for over 30 years.

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01:38:37,670 --> 01:38:40,470
Its primary focus, when established, was to promote

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01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:44,230
the downtown Carrollton area and enhance its beautification.

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01:38:44,230 --> 01:38:51,730
And whereas during the pandemic, the Historic Downtown Carolton Association hosted a food

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01:38:51,730 --> 01:38:58,310
drive that provided food to 400 families, as well as supported numerous local groups during

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01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:59,830
their time of need.

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01:39:00,390 --> 01:39:05,910
And whereas throughout the years, the association has supported the community of Carolton with

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01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:13,530
fundraisers and donations to organizations that include veterans, local schools, soup

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01:39:13,530 --> 01:39:16,370
kickchins, metro press services, and many others.

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01:39:17,050 --> 01:39:25,810
And whereas the HDCA has always been about promoting the City of Carrollton through advertising and events,

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01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:32,170
the HDCA has continually demonstrated that Carrollton is a great place to shop,

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01:39:32,630 --> 01:39:33,590
dime, and live.

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01:39:34,270 --> 01:39:38,970
The city is proud to have such a great relationship with our downtown businesses.

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01:39:38,970 --> 01:39:44,830
Now, therefore, I steep out the mayor of the great city of Carrollton on this day here

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01:39:44,830 --> 01:39:50,830
by sign and declare October 25th as historic downtown Carrollton's appreciation day.

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01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:55,530
With all appreciation of all of Carrollton knowing that that is indeed where our heart

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01:39:55,530 --> 01:39:57,370
is, thank you so much for all you do.

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01:40:14,350 --> 01:40:14,690
Okay.

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01:40:17,290 --> 01:40:24,570
Well, Mr. Mayor, City Council, members of the city on behalf of the HDCA and all these people

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01:40:24,570 --> 01:40:30,570
and red shirts. We want to thank you for this recognition. It's an honor, and we truly appreciate it.

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01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:31,630
Thank you very much.

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01:40:52,460 --> 01:40:53,700
Okay,

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01:41:47,210 --> 01:41:56,490
my next presentation is October is breast cancer awareness month and many of us know

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01:41:56,490 --> 01:42:01,170
So many people in our lives who have been impacted by breast cancer.

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01:42:02,370 --> 01:42:11,910
We are our former mayor, Falconer, and his wife, as a family, have battled breast cancer and beat it.

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01:42:12,170 --> 01:42:23,190
So we have asked Susan Falconer to be here with us today, as a recent, having recently undergone surgery on that in the month of October,

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which is coincidentally breast cancer where this month.

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01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:32,370
So we've asked the Susan G come in office to be here, apparently they were here, but they've left.

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01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:38,890
I'm going to read this anyway, and then this is really in particular honor of Susan Belkner.

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So whereas, while considerable progress has been made in the fight against breast cancer,

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01:42:46,570 --> 01:42:51,410
it touches the lives of men and women and families with every background and every community.

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01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:57,590
And whereas breast cancer has the second highest mortality rate in women, it's the second

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01:42:57,590 --> 01:43:03,410
most diagnosed cancer, and one in eight women will be diagnosed in their lifetime.

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01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:10,350
And whereas October is breast cancer awareness month, which is an annual campaign to increase

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01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:17,510
awareness about the disease, and whereas as a community support those courageously fighting

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01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:24,150
breast cancer, honor their lives lost and celebrate the women who have overcome the sickness.

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01:43:24,930 --> 01:43:30,570
And whereas by educating ourselves and supporting innovative research, we will improve the quality

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01:43:30,570 --> 01:43:36,390
of life for our citizens affected by breast cancer and one day defeat the terrible disease.

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Now therefore, I see Bavic mayor of City of Carrollton, Texas, do hereby proclaim October

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over 20, 22 as breast cancer awareness month.

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So I'm by my name.

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01:43:47,230 --> 01:43:53,070
So if I could, if you can stand, I would like to at least take a picture.

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01:44:16,010 --> 01:44:18,610
Okay, and I have one more presentation.

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01:44:21,090 --> 01:44:23,910
Ms. Chloe, Sir Worsky, if you will please join us.

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01:44:25,090 --> 01:44:26,050
Did I say your name right?

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01:44:26,290 --> 01:44:26,690
Sir Worsky?

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01:44:27,930 --> 01:44:28,610
Sir Worsky?

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01:44:32,410 --> 01:44:34,810
My name gets butchered as well.

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01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:39,930
So Chloe, this is a great honor for Chloe.

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01:44:40,110 --> 01:44:46,670
She was honored by the Texas Municipal Clerks Association banquet on Thursday, October 20th.

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01:44:46,670 --> 01:44:52,630
And is the recipient of the statewide 2022 TMCA Emerging Leader Award.

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01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:58,310
This award recognizes an individual who has demonstrated outstanding leadership skills.

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01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:59,830
Submissions.

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These are judged on the overall contribution of the individual's leadership can be through service to the, to the nominee city citizens or to the municipal clerk profession. Through her hard work and dedication, Chloe quickly advanced in the city of Carrollton to become the deputy city secretary and served in that position for two years while earning her Texas registered municipal clerk designation through the Texas Municipal Clerk Association. While working on her certification, Chloe joined

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joined and has been active with the urban management assistance of North Texas, serving

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01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:40,860
on the special events committee, as well as the North Texas Municipal Clerk's Association,

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01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:43,880
serving as the 2022 membership chair.

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01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:51,380
After attaining her state certification in January of 2022, Chloe was promoted to city

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01:45:51,380 --> 01:45:51,900
secretary.

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01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:58,280
Chloe is currently working towards a certified municipal clerk designation through the International

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01:46:00,700 --> 01:46:03,380
as an active contributor to the City of Carrollton.

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Chloe has participated in numerous programs such as serving on the Employee Appreciation Committee, completing the Carrollton Citizens Fire Academy and completing the Carrollton Talent Exchange Program.

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Beyond these examples, Chloe's commitment to the City of Carrollton, she has been recognized for her positive presence,

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01:46:21,740 --> 01:46:27,000
appropriations, approachability, and eagerness to contribute to the municipal clerk profession.

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01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:39,140
Chloe distinguishes herself as an emerging leader by promoting and personally fulfilling TMCA's mission of providing professional development through training and professional interaction.

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01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:51,720
The City of Carrollton is fortunate to have Chloe on the team and we look forward to seeing her continue to positively contribute to our community.

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01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:53,860
She received this award over here.

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01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:55,100
I want to just show it off.

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01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,240
And this is simply a small token, of course,

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01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:08,120
of we know what really what Chloe's all about.

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01:47:08,620 --> 01:47:10,700
You know, her perseverance, her ability,

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01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:13,340
tension to detail, and quite frankly,

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01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:15,100
just her vigor to get her job done

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01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:19,940
and keep us informed in terms of our responsibilities

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01:47:19,940 --> 01:47:21,760
is above reproach.

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01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,180
A lot of people don't understand a city secretary

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01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:26,060
is not somebody that answers the phone.

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01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:27,860
That is not what a city secretary is.

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01:47:27,860 --> 01:47:31,260
is a city secretary, much like a corporate secretary,

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01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:36,480
is established largely by charter and by state law.

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01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:40,920
And it is all about keeping the city compliant

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01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,580
with filings and regulations and so forth.

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01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,640
So, Chloe, I am so proud of you.

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01:47:45,820 --> 01:47:46,260
Thank you so much.

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01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:20,140
Okay, we are now at the point of public comment.

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01:48:20,380 --> 01:48:22,480
This is the opportunity for anyone in the audience

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01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,840
to come forward and speak on an item

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01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,860
And on one of our agenda items, outside of the public forum.

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01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:36,100
So if you have questions or comments rather on any of our agenda items, I invite you to please approach the podium.

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01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:41,120
I have no cards presented, but I invite you to step forward.

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01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:53,030
Okay, seeing none, I will move council for a, I will ask for a motion, our consent to agenda items number 12 through 18.

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01:48:53,030 --> 01:49:01,950
19 has been pulled 20 through 34, and we are pulling number 28 for individual consideration.

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01:49:05,900 --> 01:49:07,160
Mayor Pro Tempilaseus.

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01:49:08,140 --> 01:49:08,740
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:16,880
I vote that we approve agenda items 12 through 18, 20 to 27, 29 to 34.

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01:49:21,180 --> 01:49:21,940
Council Member Song.

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01:49:22,620 --> 01:49:23,040
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:24,180
Second, the motion.

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01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:32,470
Okay, Council, we have a motion by Mayor Pro Tempilaseus and a second by Council Member Song.

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01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:38,790
to approve a consensus into items number 12 through 18, 2334 polling number 28 for

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01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:42,110
individual consideration. Any discussion on the motion?

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01:49:44,380 --> 01:49:46,020
Seeing none, I will call for

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a vote,

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01:49:57,070 --> 01:50:03,890
and that motion passes unanimously. All right, I will move on to item number 28

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01:50:03,890 --> 01:50:05,690
for individual consideration.

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01:50:07,930 --> 01:50:13,670
There with me. Council, any discussion on item number 28?

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01:50:13,670 --> 01:50:14,390
I

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01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:20,030
will call for a, I've got one here, Council Member Polter.

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01:50:21,550 --> 01:50:22,230
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:27,770
I would like Council to reconsider,

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01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:34,040
I'm looking at the right, the right number here, yeah.

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01:50:36,430 --> 01:50:46,890
I'd like Council to reconsider the appointment of Liz Castaneda to the Museum and Historic

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01:50:46,890 --> 01:50:47,770
the Oracle Advisory Committee.

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01:50:48,530 --> 01:51:00,700
This is a resident that has a history of spurulous comments and spreading really

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01:51:00,700 --> 01:51:09,240
vicious and defamatory falsehoods about some of the members up here on the days,

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01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,760
as well as one of our House District representatives.

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01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:31,400
This is a resident that has managed a Facebook page in the past that appears to have intentionally been named the Carleton Connection, which was the same name as our newsletter.

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01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:41,340
And also, she routinely used the Carrollton logo or logos without the city's approval.

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01:51:41,980 --> 01:51:49,460
Apparently, in an attempt to portray the content there as official content.

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01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:59,020
And so therefore, kind of misrepresenting the role as official or the content as official city content.

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01:51:59,020 --> 01:52:15,040
I think appointing this person or reappointing this person to this Board of Commission puts the city in an awkward and precarious position.

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01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:24,460
I think given the person we're talking about their criminal background, harassment,

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01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:27,910
arrest for harassment.

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01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:41,250
And that was just within the last couple of years, I think it is a risk to our brand and our reputation that we should not endorse.

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01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:51,070
And so I would like to see us, we appoint the alternate in her place.

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01:52:51,070 --> 01:53:02,510
Councillor Members. Thank you, Mayor. I want to ask for clarification and a comment to

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01:53:02,510 --> 01:53:13,650
our city council regarding a, we had a boat and this was approved so we have here so

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01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:21,670
we continue conversation with regards to this. Yeah, let me clarify. We had executive session

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01:53:22,930 --> 01:53:35,450
consentes, as to the appointees that are in the resolutions as slated in numbers 26 through 34.

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01:53:36,450 --> 01:53:37,050
They

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01:53:39,420 --> 01:53:42,520
are being presented as consensus was obtained.

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01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:47,900
The vote has to have current opening session out here, so we have not voted yet.

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01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:52,860
This is the vote, so I'm entertaining a motion to approve the item.

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01:53:52,860 --> 01:54:04,140
At the point, what comes to member Adam Polter is making is that about the very disturbing

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01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:10,580
little bit for me about criminal increments of what we were saying.

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01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:19,100
Everyone has, we have a constitutional rights, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

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01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:26,220
To make an accusation here in front of my chamber is bothersome.

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01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:34,200
Right now, therefore, I want to make a motion to approve this agenda, 28.

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01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:41,170
Okay, I have a motion by Council Member Sang to approve item number 28.

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01:54:41,690 --> 01:54:45,290
Council Member Fleming, we have a motion on the floor.

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01:54:49,300 --> 01:54:49,880
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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01:54:50,460 --> 01:54:51,980
I'd like to concur with what.

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01:54:52,420 --> 01:54:53,680
I'm sorry, we have a motion on the floor.

1304
01:54:53,820 --> 01:54:54,420
I need a second.

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01:54:54,420 --> 01:54:54,940
Okay.

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01:54:57,170 --> 01:55:01,410
And you can continue to speak if you'd like to second. If you choose not to second it, then we'll come back to it quick.

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01:55:02,230 --> 01:55:02,670
Okay.

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01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:06,050
Council Member Pendleton.

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01:55:06,830 --> 01:55:11,170
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would second Councilman Young's song's proposal.

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01:55:11,630 --> 01:55:17,930
Okay. Council, we have a motion by Council Member Song and a second by Council Member Pendleton.

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01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:20,210
Any discussion on the motion?

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01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:25,310
I'll just plug in, I'll cue you and just

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01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:29,480
hit the, let's

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01:55:32,260 --> 01:55:33,060
take knowledge and share it.

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01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:33,380
I know.

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01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:41,960
Yes, I'd like to concur with what Mr. Councilmember Adam Polter has said, you know, in 2018,

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01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:47,260
I first ran for Carrollton City Council, place three, I ran against Pat Cochran, and during

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01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:55,200
the time period, even after polls, I've witnessed the viciousness that is handed out.

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01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,800
by Leah's cast and yet at the polls.

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01:55:59,540 --> 01:56:05,040
The things that she said only to other voters of which they came and told me.

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01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:10,720
But also things that she told to my church members that were out helping me at the polls.

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01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:14,600
And I wondered why she, I didn't know her.

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01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,800
She, I knew of her, but I didn't know her personally.

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01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:24,700
And so I didn't know why those personal tax would be coming towards me.

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01:56:24,700 --> 01:56:29,740
other than the fact that I was running against Pat Cochran, who she was going for.

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01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:42,000
So, I understand that piece, and I've witnessed her viciousness towards other folks that are running for office, state office,

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01:56:43,300 --> 01:56:53,400
congression office, and so, and then this past recently, as you know, I ran for, recently ran for the City Council seat, and

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01:56:53,400 --> 01:57:02,960
And then last January, I was told by current City Council member, Ms. Nasty Klein, that Ms.

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01:57:03,060 --> 01:57:07,620
Liz Castanierta said that I called her the CUNT word.

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01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:14,960
I'm going to caution the council from making inflammatory remarks.

1331
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:21,400
But that's not inflammatory, that's not the cautioning council in terms of the, I appreciate the caution, sir.

1332
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,860
But this is well on record.

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01:57:25,300 --> 01:57:28,360
And then Nancy Klein asked me this questions about that.

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01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:34,920
And I was quite taken aback, because number one, that is not the words that I use in my vocabulary.

1335
01:57:35,540 --> 01:57:38,980
And I just don't spend that amount of time.

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01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:45,300
And so not only was that, that was also told to my opponent who was running in this election, Ms.

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01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:50,140
Nikki Ellis, of which she confirmed to me that that was told.

1338
01:57:50,140 --> 01:58:00,960
And so, you know, why would you say something like that, being vicious, you know, we're just running for, we're just running to serve the community.

1339
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:03,160
I've been serving this community for 20, 25 years.

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01:58:03,780 --> 01:58:15,920
And so I didn't just get here, and those attacks were unwarranted, unwarranted, and just uncalled for, and unprofessional, and it's real unprofessional.

1341
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,980
And when you see that same person that's serving on the board and having all these tight connections,

1342
01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:26,120
there's still potential legalities in our situation.

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01:58:26,460 --> 01:58:32,180
So I think the city must be careful with their association with potential bad actors.

1344
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:41,500
That's, you know, I brought this to you today in public so you guys will be aware of that.

1345
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,660
So there's nothing new if you see anything else in the future.

1346
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:48,660
regard in the same situation. Thank you, Mayor. That is my time.

1347
01:58:50,260 --> 01:58:54,740
Thank you. All right. I'm going to, we've heard from Robert

1348
01:58:54,740 --> 01:58:57,740
Giroldo, I think we've heard from the speakers. I'm going to call the vote.

1349
01:59:08,130 --> 01:59:12,450
Okay. The motion passes with Council Member Polter,

1350
01:59:12,750 --> 01:59:21,790
and Fleming voting no. All right. With that, Council, we, that concludes our consent agenda

1351
01:59:21,790 --> 01:59:23,030
into items and our actions.

1352
01:59:23,110 --> 01:59:26,370
At this stage, we move on to our public forum.

1353
01:59:27,150 --> 01:59:36,010
This is the opportunity for any citizen or visitor to come before Council and

1354
01:59:36,010 --> 01:59:39,570
speak on any topic that they choose.

1355
01:59:39,970 --> 01:59:46,530
My first card is from James Lockridge, who wishes to speak on code issues.

1356
01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:47,650
Mr. Lockridge.

1357
01:59:49,470 --> 01:59:51,790
Please approach the podium and state your name.

1358
01:59:52,190 --> 01:59:54,830
Reminder to address your comments to the chair.

1359
01:59:55,890 --> 01:59:57,010
You will have two minutes.

1360
02:00:05,900 --> 02:00:07,800
Let me just second get set up, please.

1361
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:42,880
So, guys, I've come to y'all about this ag situation and it's very disturbing. What happened to me this week, last week, is so disturbing. On my phone, I don't know if y'all can see it. This is not one text message. This is from state reps. And I'll show you, if you can read, I will.

1362
02:00:51,780 --> 02:00:55,280
State representatives have sent me text messages.

1363
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:07,120
saying, this is horrible, so ridiculous, wow, what a overreach. One to go as far as to

1364
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:15,580
say, why is the city harassing you this much? Okay. Now guys, you ask me why I'm here.

1365
02:01:16,860 --> 02:01:21,920
This was sent to me by my client, says James, this was sent to us by the city.

1366
02:01:24,660 --> 02:01:25,260
Are we

1367
02:01:25,260 --> 02:01:31,760
Next one came to me, says James, this letter, this trailer has to be moved off the property immediately.

1368
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:41,180
Please below, please see below attached an email, an email from the City Code Compliance Officer,

1369
02:01:41,540 --> 02:01:48,940
Brian Passwater, where he literally, literally calls me a liar in the email.

1370
02:01:48,940 --> 02:01:57,080
calls me a liar, tells me that he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am

1371
02:01:57,080 --> 02:02:05,960
misleading information, that I am incorrect, and that I know it. That is harassment,

1372
02:02:06,460 --> 02:02:15,060
that is slander on me, my company. I get a citation. Three of them, one for

1373
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:22,660
advertisement, illegal advertisement on a trailer that has been set in that field since 2012.

1374
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:25,200
Illegal advertisement.

1375
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:31,020
It says in your code right here, vehicles may not be parked on an unapproved surface.

1376
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:37,240
I got a ticket for that, but it's not anything but a cow pasture, ridiculous statement,

1377
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,040
ridiculous, that I even got the ticket.

1378
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:44,940
The next one says, Mr. Locker, I'm going to give you 30 more seconds so you can wrap up your comments.

1379
02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:51,400
So the next one says, no, no, no city code, no sign suspended up from buildings,

1380
02:02:51,620 --> 02:02:53,120
poles, sidewalks, vehicles.

1381
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:59,520
I was instructed that if I parked my vehicle on the side of a field that I'm working

1382
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:05,460
in, it's illegal in Carrollton, that I will get a citation if code compliance sees it,

1383
02:03:05,660 --> 02:03:07,220
because it's illegal advertisement.

1384
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:09,780
Guys, I'm coming with the vengeance.

1385
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:14,000
You can't take our property rights away from us, please, Mr.

1386
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:20,900
I'm asking you, hold these code compliance officers that are rogue and slandering me and harassing me accountable.

1387
02:03:21,380 --> 02:03:28,640
I'm asking every city council member, please guys, I'm being nice right now, but it can get dirty, it can get ugly, real quick.

1388
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:29,480
Thank you.

1389
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:31,200
Thank you very much.

1390
02:03:32,380 --> 02:03:39,660
All right, I have no more cards, but I will offer up the podium to anyone who would like to come forth and address the council.

1391
02:03:39,660 --> 02:03:40,740
Seeing

1392
02:03:42,850 --> 02:03:47,550
none, we will adjourn our meeting here at 7.42 p.m.

1393
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:07,120
Next item on the work session agenda is the item number six, or I'm sorry, five.

1394
02:07:07,460 --> 02:07:08,580
Opposed, a nine

1395
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:21,440
chapter, Texas Title IX chapter 97, regarding hotel code, the City of Carleton code of

1396
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:22,980
regarding short-term rentals.

1397
02:07:25,900 --> 02:07:27,460
Thank you, Dean Mary-Cowell, for the high

1398
02:07:27,460 --> 02:07:28,820
for the Minimal Services Director.

1399
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:32,480
Tonight, our goal is just to have a brief overview

1400
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:35,060
of some proposed revisions to Chapter 97

1401
02:07:35,060 --> 02:07:36,200
that votes health code.

1402
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:39,580
That would begin the regulations of short-term rentals.

1403
02:07:41,580 --> 02:07:42,340
If I tell you a little bit.

1404
02:07:43,460 --> 02:07:46,540
So just by talking about what are short-term rentals,

1405
02:07:46,620 --> 02:07:47,720
where are they here in the city?

1406
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,160
And what are some of the challenges

1407
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:51,640
that they're causing some of their neighbors

1408
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,160
and other residents in these single-family neighborhoods?

1409
02:07:55,480 --> 02:08:00,580
Next we'll discuss an overview and try to keep at high level for tonight.

1410
02:08:01,820 --> 02:08:06,460
We found an opportunity to insert some language into chapter 97 that would begin those regulations.

1411
02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:10,800
Again, just a brief overview on that and then we're

1412
02:08:13,590 --> 02:08:14,210
right into it.

1413
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:18,710
So first, short term rental by definition and this isn't just our definition.

1414
02:08:18,970 --> 02:08:23,130
This is pretty common throughout any city that's begun these ordinances.

1415
02:08:23,130 --> 02:08:25,310
is that's going to be a residential premise

1416
02:08:25,310 --> 02:08:28,190
or portion there of use for lodging for less than 30 days.

1417
02:08:29,210 --> 02:08:33,130
And that less than 30 days is the real differentiator

1418
02:08:33,130 --> 02:08:34,090
between the normal rental.

1419
02:08:34,430 --> 02:08:36,730
So long in the 30 days, they follow our single family rental

1420
02:08:36,730 --> 02:08:38,990
program, less than they would potentially

1421
02:08:38,990 --> 02:08:40,190
follow this new program.

1422
02:08:41,470 --> 02:08:45,310
Also, a key difference between two terms that essentially

1423
02:08:45,310 --> 02:08:46,310
mean the same thing.

1424
02:08:46,690 --> 02:08:50,890
If the property is not occupied by the property owner

1425
02:08:50,890 --> 02:08:53,830
for our purposes that's going to be a short-term rental.

1426
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:56,790
If it is occupied by the property owner,

1427
02:08:57,010 --> 02:08:58,330
we're considering that a bed and breakfast.

1428
02:08:58,810 --> 02:09:00,270
And that's regardless of whether they actually

1429
02:09:00,270 --> 02:09:01,590
serve that breakfast in the morning.

1430
02:09:02,250 --> 02:09:04,650
It's just whether or not that property owner lives on site.

1431
02:09:06,210 --> 02:09:10,050
But for all intensive purposes for the actual regulation

1432
02:09:10,050 --> 02:09:13,610
that we're proposing, they will be treated exactly the same

1433
02:09:13,610 --> 02:09:15,470
as more of a differentiator on our end.

1434
02:09:17,290 --> 02:09:19,270
I would imagine most people in this room

1435
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:20,630
are familiar with short-term rentals.

1436
02:09:20,630 --> 02:09:25,450
may have state-in-one themselves, but it's essentially a new hotel alternative that we're

1437
02:09:25,450 --> 02:09:31,310
seeing takeoff within the last decade or so. We're often the not. It's going to be fully furnished,

1438
02:09:32,250 --> 02:09:36,650
and in addition to that, it's going to be the entire home as unoccupied by the property owner.

1439
02:09:38,350 --> 02:09:41,930
We're seeing these here in the city, and of course everywhere, uses vacation,

1440
02:09:42,710 --> 02:09:46,350
travel, party rentals. Again, anytime that you would potentially use a hotel,

1441
02:09:46,350 --> 02:09:48,630
Now, you can rent someone's house instead.

1442
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:53,470
A few years ago, these weren't on our radar.

1443
02:09:54,150 --> 02:09:56,290
We had a head count of about five or six.

1444
02:09:56,730 --> 02:09:59,270
They weren't really causing any challenges on our end.

1445
02:10:00,330 --> 02:10:03,570
So we had no need to begin regulating them.

1446
02:10:04,850 --> 02:10:07,070
As you can see within the last couple of years though,

1447
02:10:07,190 --> 02:10:08,690
they've taken off exponentially.

1448
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:15,070
The largest of which Airbnb, they have 14 million properties globally

1449
02:10:15,070 --> 02:10:21,490
as of last year. That also accounts for $74 billion global market in 2021. And I think it's

1450
02:10:21,490 --> 02:10:27,050
important for Council to realize that this is a business. These folks are running these

1451
02:10:27,050 --> 02:10:33,610
operations as a profit venture, as reflected in the global market. And then, of course,

1452
02:10:33,750 --> 02:10:37,370
there are, aside from the Airbnb, that most people commonly think of, there are hundreds

1453
02:10:37,370 --> 02:10:43,410
of other hosting platforms as well. Also important to note, well, we did see a decline

1454
02:10:43,410 --> 02:10:48,710
as most things during the pandemic. While I haven't gotten firm numbers yet, they have rebounded

1455
02:10:48,710 --> 02:10:53,810
to about what they were pre-pandemic and some are indicating that it's actually setting new

1456
02:10:53,810 --> 02:10:59,950
new records. So we're continuing to see these increase. Where are they in Carrilton?

1457
02:11:00,670 --> 02:11:06,090
They're everywhere. We have a company that's able to go through all of the different hosting platforms

1458
02:11:06,090 --> 02:11:12,710
and pull together a list for us. This is just a demo, so to speak, but these are actual properties

1459
02:11:12,710 --> 02:11:14,350
listed within Carrollton today.

1460
02:11:15,850 --> 02:11:18,390
What we're seeing is about 250 to 300 locations,

1461
02:11:18,410 --> 02:11:20,910
reason they couldn't provide us with a firm number.

1462
02:11:21,050 --> 02:11:22,050
There are duplications.

1463
02:11:22,610 --> 02:11:24,350
If we were to actually contract the company,

1464
02:11:24,450 --> 02:11:26,490
that's when they would provide us with the firm number.

1465
02:11:27,550 --> 02:11:30,330
And at least 30 different hosting platforms.

1466
02:11:34,770 --> 02:11:37,850
By complaints, as you saw the properties increase,

1467
02:11:38,010 --> 02:11:39,310
we're also seeing the complaints increase.

1468
02:11:39,690 --> 02:11:41,230
So just looking at the last couple of years,

1469
02:11:42,070 --> 02:11:44,390
it's difficult for us to actually tease this information

1470
02:11:44,390 --> 02:11:48,230
out of our thousands of code complaints that we receive unless if the

1471
02:11:48,230 --> 02:11:53,510
complainant specifically stated it's related to an Airbnb or a short-term

1472
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:56,330
rental. Otherwise, a noise complaint is going to get buried with the rest of the

1473
02:11:56,330 --> 02:12:02,250
noise complaints. But I ran a case search on our last three years of code cases and

1474
02:12:02,250 --> 02:12:07,450
this is what came back. So we have in a sending order of complaint by resident

1475
02:12:07,450 --> 02:12:12,230
parking issues, high-gress and weeds, trash as you can imagine these properties

1476
02:12:12,230 --> 02:12:15,910
are not fully vacated and the property owners often not living there so some of the maintenance

1477
02:12:16,450 --> 02:12:22,930
is being neglected. Not registered, the neighbor is alleging that they're not currently

1478
02:12:22,930 --> 02:12:29,470
under any of our rental programs. The last two I think tell the real story, the best

1479
02:12:29,470 --> 02:12:32,910
way to get your neighbor's attention is by having too many people that are causing a lot

1480
02:12:32,910 --> 02:12:38,470
of noise disturbance. And that's how they're being brought to us, most commonly in code

1481
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:45,990
enforcement. There's too many people having parties. I can't sleep. And this is

1482
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:51,070
when code enforcement staff determined it was best to start our benchmarking

1483
02:12:51,070 --> 02:12:54,250
process to determine what are other cities doing in this situation.

1484
02:12:56,370 --> 02:12:56,730
So we did

1485
02:12:56,730 --> 02:13:00,350
some benchmarking. And as you can see most cities they did this fairly recently

1486
02:13:00,350 --> 02:13:04,750
within the last couple of years. Also important to note with the exception of

1487
02:13:04,750 --> 02:13:08,170
Grand Prairie that it has an ordinance on the books. They're not doing a

1488
02:13:08,170 --> 02:13:12,910
registration-free, they're also not doing interior inspections, but every other city that

1489
02:13:12,910 --> 02:13:15,770
has one has both registration and inspection.

1490
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:21,810
In addition to our research, we've also found we can't ban short-term rentals.

1491
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:24,650
Those have been going through some legal challenges.

1492
02:13:25,510 --> 02:13:29,890
Not only do we feel like that's not the best fit for our community, but again, with those

1493
02:13:29,890 --> 02:13:33,730
legal challenges, it's not an avenue that we're interested in going in.

1494
02:13:35,190 --> 02:13:37,490
What we closely followed, however, was Arlington.

1495
02:13:38,130 --> 02:13:42,170
They have an ordinance that was challenged and it was upheld in courts.

1496
02:13:42,650 --> 02:13:46,070
So we know that there is some legal precedent here for regulating short-term rentals.

1497
02:13:49,930 --> 02:13:53,310
So where we began was looking at what do we already have on the books that are similar and

1498
02:13:53,310 --> 02:13:53,830
that's our hotels.

1499
02:13:54,210 --> 02:13:58,270
Again, these are hotel alternatives that made the most sense to start with chapter 97.

1500
02:13:59,290 --> 02:14:03,250
It already requires a license for our hotels to operate and motels.

1501
02:14:04,250 --> 02:14:11,750
This provides that framework for hotel inspections, the enforcement process, as well as if we have

1502
02:14:11,750 --> 02:14:17,150
habitual violators, the denial or revocation of their lodging license, and of course

1503
02:14:17,150 --> 02:14:21,850
due process through appeals, it's someone worth to actually have their license revoked.

1504
02:14:24,890 --> 02:14:29,990
So again, try to keep at high level, looking at the requiring of lodging license to operate.

1505
02:14:30,730 --> 02:14:33,150
This is basic information that we currently don't have.

1506
02:14:33,150 --> 02:14:37,730
If we were to begin this program, the property owner would have to let us know how many

1507
02:14:37,730 --> 02:14:42,430
guest rooms they have and how many people are allowed under chapter 96 of the single

1508
02:14:42,430 --> 02:14:43,430
family housing code.

1509
02:14:44,990 --> 02:14:50,270
In addition to that, they would have to register for the hotel occupancy tax, again, similar

1510
02:14:50,270 --> 02:14:53,150
to every hotel that we already have here in the city.

1511
02:14:54,510 --> 02:14:59,530
For some more short-term specific requirements, host rules maintained on site, and if we're

1512
02:14:59,530 --> 02:14:59,810
We have it.

1513
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,220
Some requirements. That not only the property owners need to abide by their tenants are also required to be to abide by those rules. They need to know what those rules are. The next one, off street parking and a floor plan. Again, that's more information for city staff. And we'll talk about the parking a little bit later. But also important for us, contact info of the property owner and a local party. Some of the property owners are not carols and residents. They may not even be in DFW at all. This would have a local party.

1514
02:15:29,220 --> 02:15:34,740
that's required to respond 24-7 if there is an emergency or some other event that we need to get

1515
02:15:34,740 --> 02:15:37,040
hold of someone that can manage that property.

1516
02:15:40,190 --> 02:15:42,890
Next, the inspection process. What we're looking

1517
02:15:42,890 --> 02:15:47,650
at right now is just one annual interior inspection that's similar to what we're already doing for our

1518
02:15:47,650 --> 02:15:55,870
hotels. In addition to any complaint-based responses that we need to enact in regards to a residential

1519
02:15:55,870 --> 02:15:56,290
complaint.

1520
02:15:57,470 --> 02:16:01,630
Again, those are both already required under the ordinance, as well as premises conditions.

1521
02:16:02,170 --> 02:16:06,450
This is looking at the life safety and public health aspects for the actual tenants, not

1522
02:16:06,450 --> 02:16:07,610
necessarily the property owners.

1523
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:12,170
So ensuring that someone that wants to stay here in Carrollton and they opt to do Airbnb

1524
02:16:12,170 --> 02:16:18,230
or similar short-term rental, that they have a clean space that's not dangerous and is

1525
02:16:18,230 --> 02:16:19,990
a fair condition.

1526
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:29,690
There's an additional short-term rental restrictions, parking, similar to our hotels and

1527
02:16:29,690 --> 02:16:30,350
other businesses.

1528
02:16:30,650 --> 02:16:34,890
If you have a business in Carrollton, you need to have your own parking lot for it.

1529
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:38,030
And our parking lot for a short-term rental is going to be the garage and driveway.

1530
02:16:38,810 --> 02:16:43,190
So if you have a two-sole garage and your driveway can fit two cars, you can only have four

1531
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:49,070
cars on that property, disallowing them to park on the street, as well as an unapproved surface

1532
02:16:49,070 --> 02:16:50,730
is that's a code violation in itself.

1533
02:16:52,470 --> 02:16:54,390
I already mentioned the occupancy load.

1534
02:16:54,570 --> 02:16:57,470
This is you trying to keep from having those party houses

1535
02:16:57,470 --> 02:16:58,450
that you may have heard of

1536
02:16:58,450 --> 02:17:01,710
and some other issues in not only our city

1537
02:17:01,710 --> 02:17:04,290
but other cities that have short-term rentals.

1538
02:17:04,970 --> 02:17:06,690
Okay, kind of explain the parking again.

1539
02:17:07,610 --> 02:17:11,110
Sure, so what we're proposing would require

1540
02:17:11,110 --> 02:17:14,350
that you have to provide off-street parking for your tenants.

1541
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:17,270
So be that the driveway or the garage,

1542
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:21,270
the tenants want to be allowed to park on the residential streets.

1543
02:17:21,490 --> 02:17:25,610
So that should be Cannot Park on street, right?

1544
02:17:27,710 --> 02:17:31,550
Yes, Cannot Park on off street, yeah.

1545
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:34,450
It must be on the driveway garage.

1546
02:17:34,590 --> 02:17:35,610
Most of all street.

1547
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:37,750
Okay.

1548
02:17:40,250 --> 02:17:43,550
Third, can't convert rooms to bedrooms.

1549
02:17:43,710 --> 02:17:44,790
That also includes garages.

1550
02:17:45,490 --> 02:17:47,510
We have seen some of these properties split

1551
02:17:47,510 --> 02:17:51,610
a five-bedroom home into ten or more. That obviously comes with some building

1552
02:17:51,610 --> 02:17:57,010
code violations, some life-saving issues in addition to that. And again, that

1553
02:17:57,010 --> 02:18:03,150
helps keep that cap on the maximum occupancy load as well. Noise, a curfew and

1554
02:18:03,150 --> 02:18:06,590
no-san equipment, 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. that's consistent with our current noise

1555
02:18:06,590 --> 02:18:11,170
ordinance as well. But trying to limit some of those party atmospheres while the

1556
02:18:11,170 --> 02:18:15,310
adjacent neighbors may be living their daily life, having to go to work the next day.

1557
02:18:17,170 --> 02:18:23,250
Last and special events that refers to no weddings, concerts, anything that would draw a large

1558
02:18:23,250 --> 02:18:28,370
crowd that needs a lot of parking in addition to excess new ways.

1559
02:18:31,310 --> 02:18:35,210
So tonight again, the goal is just to keep a high level overview, broad strokes of what

1560
02:18:35,210 --> 02:18:35,870
we're proposing.

1561
02:18:36,650 --> 02:18:39,870
Our next steps will then to bring this back before Council is a red line.

1562
02:18:40,270 --> 02:18:45,250
That would be the opportunity to go through it as a Council with a fine teeth comb, ask

1563
02:18:45,250 --> 02:18:48,210
some more of those detailed questions regarding what we're proposing.

1564
02:18:50,010 --> 02:18:57,410
If approved, this would also need to go before P and Z. There are going to be some changes

1565
02:18:57,410 --> 02:19:02,350
to the CZO for the use matrix that we need to go through. So we would start that process

1566
02:19:02,350 --> 02:19:04,530
if Council is generally in favor of going in this direction.

1567
02:19:06,270 --> 02:19:12,710
And after it's approved by the P and Z, we would then bring back the hotel ordinance updates

1568
02:19:12,710 --> 02:19:17,570
to the tax code, the fee schedule, and then of course that CZO would be the very last piece

1569
02:19:17,570 --> 02:19:22,870
after everything else. So a lot of moving parts with this particular proposed ordinance,

1570
02:19:23,590 --> 02:19:25,770
but with that I'm happy to answer any questions that you have today.

1571
02:19:27,810 --> 02:19:32,390
Do you have, can you maybe tell us for some of the benchmark cities are doing?

1572
02:19:33,050 --> 02:19:33,210
Sure.

1573
02:19:36,410 --> 02:19:41,550
So by large cities that have this ordinance on the books, they are doing both the

1574
02:19:41,550 --> 02:19:43,890
the registration and inspection program.

1575
02:19:44,730 --> 02:19:46,850
It's hard to do one without the other.

1576
02:19:47,050 --> 02:19:48,790
So relative to kind of the recommendations,

1577
02:19:50,210 --> 02:19:54,030
this, you believe that this kind of tells where we have,

1578
02:19:55,090 --> 02:19:58,090
says cities that have adopted similar to the recommendation,

1579
02:19:58,090 --> 02:19:58,590
I guess.

1580
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:59,890
So they're doing the hotel thing?

1581
02:20:00,510 --> 02:20:01,110
Yeah, that's far too far.

1582
02:20:01,150 --> 02:20:01,370
Correct.

1583
02:20:01,590 --> 02:20:04,630
Yeah, most cities are doing a hotel or similar process

1584
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:07,050
for that tax on these businesses.

1585
02:20:08,990 --> 02:20:10,910
To answer your question, though, Mayor,

1586
02:20:10,910 --> 02:20:24,650
there. We closely modeled ours off Arlington. Most cities that we have listed here followed a similar structure, but in general, these cities are doing the registration enforcement and then varying degrees of specific requirements.

1587
02:20:25,170 --> 02:20:39,070
So Arlington, for example, they have to be within a short distance to the entertainment district, which we're not proposing. That would be any single family neighborhood could have a short term rental unless if it's not approved by their HOA.

1588
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:50,820
Thank you, and very much appreciate staff looking into this and seeing the need as far

1589
02:20:50,820 --> 02:20:56,360
as the volume and what's actually happening in our city, it's very much appreciated as

1590
02:20:56,360 --> 02:21:02,200
a single family owner in Carrollton and knowing the growth of this specifically online

1591
02:21:02,200 --> 02:21:04,920
with online brokers.

1592
02:21:05,300 --> 02:21:07,100
I just have a couple of questions.

1593
02:21:07,960 --> 02:21:15,640
The first one is, is the process in which to achieve this registration, is it exactly

1594
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:22,140
the same as a hotel we go through, or is you're envisioning it being different?

1595
02:21:22,220 --> 02:21:27,120
Is it something that someone can do easily online if you thought through, yet knowing

1596
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:31,140
it's just beginning of the conversation, what that process would look like, and would it

1597
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:33,780
be any different than the existing processes in place?

1598
02:21:33,780 --> 02:21:38,840
So, to compare it to a hotel, it would be considerably less work for the property owner.

1599
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:42,240
They have to show four plans for every room.

1600
02:21:42,580 --> 02:21:47,660
We're not, we don't have, you know, multi-story houses here, beyond the two-story.

1601
02:21:49,080 --> 02:21:53,460
We're trying to make this as user-friendly as possible, because again, we're not trying

1602
02:21:53,460 --> 02:21:55,980
to ban or prohibit short-term rentals.

1603
02:21:55,980 --> 02:21:59,700
We're just trying to ensure that it's being done right, and that they integrate well with

1604
02:21:59,700 --> 02:22:00,860
our single-family neighborhoods.

1605
02:22:02,340 --> 02:22:05,960
Okay, so I'm anxious to be able to see what that, you know, eventually what that process

1606
02:22:05,960 --> 02:22:08,480
would actually look like and what would, you know.

1607
02:22:08,660 --> 02:22:13,840
Councillor, probably more similar to the rental registration for a single family home,

1608
02:22:14,500 --> 02:22:16,260
which is a process they already have in place.

1609
02:22:16,820 --> 02:22:17,040
Okay.

1610
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:20,640
So that would be kind of the benchmark of what you would utilize to be able to?

1611
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:23,800
Yeah, that is a great starting point for us.

1612
02:22:24,020 --> 02:22:28,840
So there may be some additional paperwork that were not required under the rental program,

1613
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:34,780
but very similar and that's fairly user friendly as well on both the resident side and staff side as well.

1614
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:42,040
Great. I just think it would be helpful this word to be brought for council that we would have

1615
02:22:42,040 --> 02:22:45,780
kind of an outline of what that process would look like and if it deviated at all from the existing.

1616
02:22:45,900 --> 02:22:49,240
It would be set forth in the ordinance what they needed to do and what they needed to provide and

1617
02:22:49,240 --> 02:22:54,240
and of course there's going to be additional information since it's an on again often again unlike

1618
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:59,220
like a rental registration, which is usually a long-term period, you don't need to contact

1619
02:22:59,220 --> 02:23:00,020
the owner.

1620
02:23:00,420 --> 02:23:04,560
And that was kind of where leading to my second, this would be something you would need

1621
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:08,160
to continually do on an annual basis or something you would do at-

1622
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,860
Both of these are an annual, would be an annual.

1623
02:23:11,560 --> 02:23:16,960
And then my last question, sir, would be, I didn't see anything about insurance, is there

1624
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:23,560
any kind of insurance that's needed, specifically, I would assume that from a business standpoint

1625
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:29,360
point that your homeowner's insurance would need to be adjusted, or is that something

1626
02:23:29,360 --> 02:23:33,160
that you would consider including in the registration some sort of insurance?

1627
02:23:33,700 --> 02:23:35,820
It wouldn't be something, I mean, are you considering that?

1628
02:23:35,940 --> 02:23:37,520
Well, we have that language in there now.

1629
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:42,420
If I believe it's a million dollar liability insurance, it would not be uncommon for the

1630
02:23:42,420 --> 02:23:46,060
second business regardless, but providing that proof of insurance.

1631
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:50,160
Like some of that's actually part of the Airbnb or BRVO agreements.

1632
02:23:52,100 --> 02:24:02,860
Right, but if they weren't using any of those, if they were going to be, I mean, this, you're not married to using Airbnb or any of those services you could be able to get the registration and be able to do this on your own as well, correct?

1633
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:06,700
This would be directly through the city, so the hosting platforms would not be a part of the process.

1634
02:24:07,220 --> 02:24:18,080
Right, so the state of actually Airbnb's requirements, our requirement would be, yes, there would be something stipulated in the requirements that would require some level of insurance.

1635
02:24:19,260 --> 02:24:22,060
If you were to be able to gain this registration, is that correct?

1636
02:24:22,280 --> 02:24:22,460
Correct.

1637
02:24:22,660 --> 02:24:22,800
Yeah.

1638
02:24:22,980 --> 02:24:27,340
That would be, as Meredith was saying, by ordinance as well as during their application

1639
02:24:27,340 --> 02:24:31,920
period, there will be on that application the additional documents that they'd have to

1640
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:32,200
provide.

1641
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:40,740
Whether source, there are B&B, VR, VRBO, or individually, the house and the owner would still have to

1642
02:24:40,740 --> 02:24:41,420
comply with this.

1643
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:41,840
Correct.

1644
02:24:42,180 --> 02:24:45,480
And there are some private listings that they have their own website as they have multiple

1645
02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:46,000
properties.

1646
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:47,260
they would have to follow this as well.

1647
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:48,920
Appreciate it.

1648
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:49,120
Thank you.

1649
02:24:49,820 --> 02:24:50,860
I think Councilmember.

1650
02:24:53,660 --> 02:24:55,160
We'll go through and we approve this.

1651
02:24:55,340 --> 02:24:56,140
We're all up and running.

1652
02:24:56,560 --> 02:25:01,300
Are you going to have to go back and filter all those VRBO and

1653
02:25:01,300 --> 02:25:05,040
Airbnb and say, okay, now homeowners, we have this.

1654
02:25:05,660 --> 02:25:07,780
Notify all those people that they have to get licensed.

1655
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:08,780
Yes.

1656
02:25:09,080 --> 02:25:10,560
It's a tedious process to.

1657
02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:11,600
Correct.

1658
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:15,880
So we're hoping that that contracted service that provided us

1659
02:25:15,880 --> 02:25:23,080
with this starting point, we would be able to get that fine detailed tedious work on our

1660
02:25:23,080 --> 02:25:26,860
behalf done. Once we have that list, that would be an ongoing thing that we would also

1661
02:25:26,860 --> 02:25:30,240
need to do annually, just to ensure that everyone is registering under the program.

1662
02:25:32,620 --> 02:25:32,960
What

1663
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:36,380
was the, there was a part two year question. Oh, that was, that was it. Yeah. That's just

1664
02:25:36,380 --> 02:25:41,160
it would be a tedious process. Now what about the notice with this go up to all of Carolton?

1665
02:25:41,620 --> 02:25:50,100
Yes, so the notice process that will actually be a council decision point at the next council meeting during the red line is how long do we want to give these?

1666
02:25:51,160 --> 02:25:56,180
Short term rental property owners time to get in all of the paperwork and comply.

1667
02:25:56,440 --> 02:26:01,380
We currently are suggesting one year, but of course that's not the council as to how long they want to provide them.

1668
02:26:01,460 --> 02:26:02,620
I think your question was a little different.

1669
02:26:02,620 --> 02:26:05,000
Mine was more from a zoning change.

1670
02:26:05,380 --> 02:26:05,840
No, it's not.

1671
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:09,240
This is not a zoning change that's proposed right now.

1672
02:26:09,340 --> 02:26:10,560
This is to the hotel code.

1673
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:13,840
And so the notice, there's no notice required

1674
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:15,060
other than just the agenda.

1675
02:26:15,660 --> 02:26:18,700
And what I think director would like to do

1676
02:26:18,700 --> 02:26:21,280
is use this software to be able to mail directed

1677
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:28,240
to the people who are impacted not to all of y'all

1678
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:29,900
if you're not running a short-term rental for your house.

1679
02:26:31,500 --> 02:26:33,000
So even though this would go through

1680
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:35,220
the planning and zoning commission.

1681
02:26:35,220 --> 02:26:38,300
not this part, there would be a second part that would go through planning.

1682
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:41,660
Would that part have to be, would notice have to go out to all of the city?

1683
02:26:43,020 --> 02:26:47,640
There's going to be some changes coming to the actual text of the zoning code that will

1684
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:50,980
revise how the notices made for text amendments.

1685
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:54,040
So that will be done before that's brought to you.

1686
02:26:54,600 --> 02:26:55,400
So if the answer is no.

1687
02:26:55,940 --> 02:26:58,120
So in hopes of avoiding kind of what we-

1688
02:26:58,120 --> 02:26:59,000
That will not happen again.

1689
02:26:59,360 --> 02:26:59,460
Okay.

1690
02:27:01,960 --> 02:27:02,600
Councilmember Fund.

1691
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:03,020
Yes.

1692
02:27:03,020 --> 02:27:10,920
Five years ago, I served with the Texas Hotel lodging association down in Austin, so advocating

1693
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:13,460
a lot for this short-term rental.

1694
02:27:14,020 --> 02:27:17,580
Have you guys checked with the City of San Antonio because they've done some great.

1695
02:27:17,740 --> 02:27:22,920
I think they're probably one of the leaders in this short-term rental space, especially

1696
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:29,840
when it comes to code of codifying short-term rentals because they have a lot of issues and

1697
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:31,560
And they're doing the same thing with what we're

1698
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:33,220
sitting here proposing right now.

1699
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:36,340
It's just a good source.

1700
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:42,020
Probably by 85% of the short term rentals will

1701
02:27:42,020 --> 02:27:49,600
be on FIARBO, and what you do have an outside company

1702
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:53,080
that is going to assist in identifying the rest, correct?

1703
02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:53,940
Correct, yes.

1704
02:27:54,420 --> 02:27:57,480
Yes, and that would be for all the multiple hosting sites,

1705
02:27:57,700 --> 02:27:58,580
just the top ones.

1706
02:27:58,580 --> 02:28:05,210
We've decided what the city hotel tax rate will be that would be a council decision

1707
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:09,730
But you already have the hotel occupancy tax rate, but

1708
02:28:10,870 --> 02:28:15,570
Yeah, that's not something staff will make it. I think that would come as this comes back right now

1709
02:28:15,570 --> 02:28:22,550
They're looking for some direction thumbs up thumbs down kind of a week here to week there. I'll just saying this because you know they

1710
02:28:24,250 --> 02:28:29,590
VRBOs, I was part of the process, they don't like to be identified in course, but I understand

1711
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:33,570
you got to have some type of rules and regulations in place to have them.

1712
02:28:34,110 --> 02:28:43,030
My next question is then, you know, what type of, once we do put this on the books, is

1713
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:48,650
there going to be a more important for them to get their stuff together because you start

1714
02:28:48,650 --> 02:28:53,830
doing those hotel occupancy tax audits, you know, that could be a problem for some, right?

1715
02:28:54,110 --> 02:28:59,990
Of course. That's of course that y'all's discretion, okay. And then also, and my last comment is

1716
02:28:59,990 --> 02:29:06,650
that this upcoming Texas legislature, they will be, they will be trying to pre-up cities from

1717
02:29:06,650 --> 02:29:14,990
enacting such restrictions on RSV ABOs, so just know that's coming. So that's all I have.

1718
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:27,840
Obviously y'all did better research. I reviewed what the law firm that played out the presentation

1719
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:32,220
that they provided to them and met with it. A lot of what they were saying was based

1720
02:29:32,220 --> 02:29:37,240
on the Harlington as well. And I began very familiar with what they're doing in Farmers

1721
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:43,720
Branch, what they did in 2019. A couple of questions and most of this relates to what they're

1722
02:29:43,720 --> 02:29:49,360
doing in Farmer's branch, or we're looking at having an age restriction, a minimum rental

1723
02:29:49,360 --> 02:29:57,820
period, and also are the Arlington, are the parking restrictions, is that something on

1724
02:29:57,820 --> 02:29:59,660
street parking restrictions, is that something that?

1725
02:30:00,110 --> 02:30:28,790
Arlington is doing currently. Regarding Arlington, I don't recall if they have the same parking restrictions. That's certainly something I can review and bring back to the nice council meeting. Just curious if that part had been tested. And, you know, you've got events on their, you know, farmers branch specifically says no parties. And that's posted. And then lastly, penalties. And that's something that I presume, you know,

1726
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:31,010
for the violation of this will be,

1727
02:30:31,170 --> 02:30:32,730
is that already established or?

1728
02:30:33,610 --> 02:30:35,790
Yes, through the proposed ordinance,

1729
02:30:35,930 --> 02:30:38,790
there will be the enforcement and penalty side as well.

1730
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:39,990
Okay, we're not complaining.

1731
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:41,150
Thank you.

1732
02:30:42,650 --> 02:30:45,130
I'm excited about this opportunity.

1733
02:30:45,610 --> 02:30:46,930
I had a really good friend,

1734
02:30:47,390 --> 02:30:48,830
Lee Carrollton and Bill Beltsworth

1735
02:30:49,310 --> 02:30:53,130
because their neighbor was a horrible rental property

1736
02:30:53,130 --> 02:30:54,590
that was a nightmare

1737
02:30:54,590 --> 02:30:57,370
and the property owner threatened them and such.

1738
02:30:57,370 --> 02:31:02,950
So I think that as we have a responsibility to do something to control the worse.

1739
02:31:03,250 --> 02:31:08,250
We know there's a lot of really good ones, but what can we do to help give us the tools

1740
02:31:08,250 --> 02:31:10,050
to address the really bad ones?

1741
02:31:10,210 --> 02:31:15,290
And I remember when the city started inspecting house rentals, and it was about 20 years ago.

1742
02:31:15,690 --> 02:31:21,770
A lot of slum lords got put out of business, and I see this as a similar purpose that we have.

1743
02:31:21,770 --> 02:31:25,790
My question is, one that I familiar with, sleeps 20?

1744
02:31:26,510 --> 02:31:33,010
What size house would that be in your, do you have any idea what, would sleep 20 people?

1745
02:31:33,110 --> 02:31:35,810
I do, and no house would be allowed to sleep 20.

1746
02:31:36,050 --> 02:31:36,270
That's why.

1747
02:31:36,270 --> 02:31:36,750
Okay, really?

1748
02:31:37,110 --> 02:31:40,090
Yeah, that's why the chapter 96 makes my mind messy.

1749
02:31:40,430 --> 02:31:43,610
No more than 10 unrelated adult.

1750
02:31:44,310 --> 02:31:44,590
Okay.

1751
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:47,270
So interesting.

1752
02:31:47,630 --> 02:31:50,690
I was curious how it advertises it sleeps 20 or so.

1753
02:31:50,690 --> 02:32:00,040
actually have just in case that came up. So it's based on square footage and then maximum adults

1754
02:32:00,820 --> 02:32:06,800
again no more than four are unrelated. One other gives yeah actually plumbing, sorry.

1755
02:32:07,380 --> 02:32:11,760
I took the liberty of reading our current hotel, roles that we have in place,

1756
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:19,020
are you going to use some of those penalties every time someone gets a police officer gets called out,

1757
02:32:19,020 --> 02:32:26,500
It's a it's a what point against them calls for service. Yes. We do we do include that but we're

1758
02:32:26,500 --> 02:32:32,460
taking a slightly different approach. It's actually by conviction of a citation. Okay. Okay. I like

1759
02:32:32,460 --> 02:32:38,940
that a lot better because my concerns are the apathy toward short-term rentals. People don't like

1760
02:32:38,940 --> 02:32:43,860
them in their neighborhood. Some do. Some don't. I just want to prevent what's what's going to

1761
02:32:43,860 --> 02:32:51,440
a neighbor from calling in, you know, unwarranted, right, and getting a point system against

1762
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:57,900
the potential short-term runnable. That's what I, that's what I dealt with. Being on the other side,

1763
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:02,520
advocating for short-term rentals, but I'm now here with the city. So, the different process.

1764
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:08,660
It's a delicate balance because there's property rights. And then there's the, you know, creating a safe

1765
02:33:08,660 --> 02:33:12,180
and a nice neighborhood and that's very difficult.

1766
02:33:12,180 --> 02:33:20,440
Well, as we're going through this exercise, I kind of point to 2026 when the World Cup comes

1767
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:20,660
in the area.

1768
02:33:22,300 --> 02:33:23,020
And what?

1769
02:33:23,540 --> 02:33:25,100
I said, we all want to rent, just kidding.

1770
02:33:25,440 --> 02:33:28,560
Well, I mean, that's kind of the three possible, you know, somebody might be able to rent their

1771
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:32,360
house for a month and pay their mortgage or whatever for a year.

1772
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:41,500
And should they have to pay the full fee to be able to register for that short amount of

1773
02:33:41,500 --> 02:33:44,380
time should they have to go through the same inspection process because I think we're

1774
02:33:44,380 --> 02:33:50,140
going to have a lot of possible applications or a lot of ignorance going up to that.

1775
02:33:50,300 --> 02:33:52,040
So I just ask that you all kind of keep that in mind.

1776
02:33:52,860 --> 02:33:54,820
Yeah, what qualifies as a short-term realm?

1777
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:59,600
All right, if they've done it, if they do it for three nights in a year, does that qualify?

1778
02:33:59,800 --> 02:34:00,120
This is not.

1779
02:34:00,300 --> 02:34:02,520
I think there's some caveats that we need to understand.

1780
02:34:03,560 --> 02:34:03,680
Right.

1781
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:05,780
And those are all things y'all can consider when you do it.

1782
02:34:05,900 --> 02:34:10,920
If you want to have some sort of a carve out even, I mean, those are all things y'all can consider

1783
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:13,320
and how staff puts it together.

1784
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:18,300
How it's currently proposed is if it were a three to seven night,

1785
02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:20,720
they would still be required to register.

1786
02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:22,820
Council does not want to go on that direction.

1787
02:34:22,980 --> 02:34:25,060
They want to set a minimum threshold that they would have to say.

1788
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:26,360
We can certainly consider that.

1789
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:28,540
I mean, from a tax perspective, you know,

1790
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:30,640
if I think it's 15 nights or something like that,

1791
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:34,280
but some people will do it from a tax strategy

1792
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:37,500
and rent it for X number of nights

1793
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:39,080
so that they can treat us to business

1794
02:34:39,080 --> 02:34:41,100
and take a tax deduction, and then the balances

1795
02:34:41,560 --> 02:34:44,100
that can live in there without dealing

1796
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:44,980
with the tax deduction.

1797
02:34:45,180 --> 02:34:47,860
So we'll want to basically ensure

1798
02:34:47,860 --> 02:34:49,840
that we're in alignment on all those things, I think.

1799
02:34:52,620 --> 02:34:55,400
Council, again, consensus is where they're looking for

1800
02:34:55,400 --> 02:34:58,780
based on what you heard today in terms of going forward.

1801
02:34:59,060 --> 02:35:00,100
Looks like you got consensus.

1802
02:35:00,760 --> 02:35:00,980
Thank you.

1803
02:35:01,160 --> 02:35:01,420
Thank you.

1804
02:35:01,860 --> 02:35:02,940
All right.

1805
02:35:05,380 --> 02:35:07,920
That's our last item is item number seven,

1806
02:35:07,940 --> 02:35:10,140
which is our mayor and council reports

1807
02:35:10,140 --> 02:35:11,920
before we go into executive session.

1808
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:15,420
What's the difference?

1809
02:35:16,180 --> 02:35:17,260
The council members on.

1810
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:19,860
I'll go to a couple of British clubs

1811
02:35:19,860 --> 02:35:24,800
and just share what's called wash wax.

1812
02:35:25,100 --> 02:35:27,100
So it's called laundromat.

1813
02:35:27,780 --> 02:35:30,880
Now I realize how high tech that place was.

1814
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:37,500
And it's really great to present March and train the meals.

1815
02:35:38,360 --> 02:35:40,820
And they tell you, if it's done,

1816
02:35:40,820 --> 02:35:44,620
They'll tell you their tax use is done.

1817
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:46,480
You could be in a car, wherever.

1818
02:35:47,160 --> 02:35:49,540
So I thought that was fascinating with the high tax.

1819
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:52,560
So that's great is for our cities.

1820
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:55,920
And maybe you could talk to about the kid.

1821
02:35:56,480 --> 02:35:57,180
He's gentle.

1822
02:35:57,780 --> 02:35:59,960
Both attended a new dental.

1823
02:36:00,460 --> 02:36:01,740
A pediatric dental opening.

1824
02:36:02,900 --> 02:36:04,680
Up on training meals in McCoy.

1825
02:36:06,360 --> 02:36:08,920
Didn't have anything like that back in the dark ages

1826
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:09,880
when I was a child.

1827
02:36:09,880 --> 02:36:13,740
I think it's great. There's going to be another flyers for us.

1828
02:36:20,460 --> 02:36:22,920
Anyone else? That's a number for me.

1829
02:36:23,220 --> 02:36:30,460
Yes. I went to help my uncle Buck celebrate the 1972 East Texas National

1830
02:36:30,460 --> 02:36:37,360
Championship team. I remember that vividly as a kid going to their national

1831
02:36:37,360 --> 02:36:42,100
championship game. He also played with Harvey Martin.

1832
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:46,480
So probably to the house back when I was a kid but always no one was with us

1833
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:47,740
But it was nice to be able to see

1834
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:54,160
Celebratory see all the guys back and things like that a lot of them stayed at hotels and had a son

1835
02:36:55,140 --> 02:37:01,040
Some off at 35 and some in Dallas. So it was a it was a nice event

1836
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:04,620
It then also got to celebrate the young man over at noon with Smith

1837
02:37:05,640 --> 02:37:11,700
How that I'm trying to montagre the montagrean. Yeah, he had 10 catches for a hundred and fifty three yards

1838
02:37:12,100 --> 02:37:17,460
Um, um, had, uh, what, three interceptions, one, we turn for TD.

1839
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:19,980
Uh,

1840
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:28,240
I'll stand a young man. Um, very outstanding that he has the athletic gifts,

1841
02:37:28,480 --> 02:37:32,760
but he also has the academic gifts as well. And so that's to be appreciated

1842
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:36,090
from a student athlete. So a lot to be proud of.

1843
02:37:40,450 --> 02:37:44,870
Mayor, I'll mention that this Saturday at 9 a.m., we got coffee with the cop, I have

1844
02:37:44,870 --> 02:37:50,170
parks coffee at 1401 MacArthur Drive, and then, of course, in a really big upcoming

1845
02:37:50,170 --> 02:37:51,450
event, I'll just see a few words.

1846
02:37:51,450 --> 02:37:56,890
It's November the 5th, Festival at the switch yard, starting at 11 a.m., so.

1847
02:37:57,370 --> 02:37:58,370
Our signature event?

1848
02:37:58,750 --> 02:37:58,890
Yeah.

1849
02:37:59,550 --> 02:38:00,250
So, I got.

1850
02:38:00,850 --> 02:38:01,150
Excellent.

1851
02:38:02,670 --> 02:38:15,030
Thank you Mr. Mayor Carolton has a golf event on November 3rd next Thursday that I know a few of us will be in attendance in playing.

1852
02:38:16,390 --> 02:38:22,070
So excited about that and celebrating our municipal golf course here in Carolton.

1853
02:38:23,050 --> 02:38:30,540
But most importantly, I'd like to be able to extend my condolences to the Northam family,

1854
02:38:32,180 --> 02:38:40,000
our police department, our city and staff for the tragedy that has happened to our city.

1855
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:51,540
Most of us, if not all of us, will be in attendance on this Thursday and to be able to pair

1856
02:38:51,540 --> 02:38:59,000
our respects and want to be able to show my appreciation for the entire city, what they're

1857
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:04,140
doing in reaching out and supporting our city, our police department and the North and

1858
02:39:04,140 --> 02:39:04,420
family.

1859
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:07,620
Thank you.

1860
02:39:08,260 --> 02:39:13,600
Since you mentioned call, let me just say that American Legion has asked, they'd love

1861
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:15,660
to have a council team or two.

1862
02:39:16,180 --> 02:39:21,980
So if there's two or four that would like to play, I'll just ask that you maybe let Chloe

1863
02:39:21,980 --> 02:39:28,520
So we know and then we'll let the Legion know, but it's on November 12th and it's a American

1864
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:29,700
Legion health term.

1865
02:39:31,560 --> 02:39:32,560
Is this an angle thing?

1866
02:39:33,820 --> 02:39:37,680
It's, I'm not sure it's annual, but it's the Legion's just product form, so you just

1867
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:37,880
answer.

1868
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:44,700
It's a, it's a fundraiser for the Legion, they've done it before.

1869
02:39:45,960 --> 02:39:49,080
They've done it at Brookhaven, they've done it out at a new creek in the past.

1870
02:39:49,880 --> 02:39:52,460
I know that they just formulated that just recently.

1871
02:39:52,460 --> 02:40:00,160
So it's really to be able to come out and support post 5.97 so I definitely I'll I'm certainly going to plan

1872
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:04,400
I would encourage everybody to be able to come out and support post 5.97 American Legion with the Gulf

1873
02:40:04,940 --> 02:40:11,980
Okay, and then and then don't forget ghost town is this weekend. It's happening because a lot of I know there's a lot of

1874
02:40:11,980 --> 02:40:12,980
Trump or treatish

1875
02:40:12,980 --> 02:40:15,560
Events happening, but ghost town on the square as well

1876
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:19,380
The Gulf Hermits in Carrollton

1877
02:40:19,380 --> 02:40:20,080
So, yeah, it is.

1878
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:31,980
So, also on Saturday, we have October fest from 5-7-3 nations got to attend another

1879
02:40:31,980 --> 02:40:38,660
revenue cutting today with Council Member Pendleton for Wing Snobbup on Hebron and Midway

1880
02:40:38,660 --> 02:40:46,880
had a terrific lunch, really, really kind of astounding food and a great community partner

1881
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:51,740
or they've already catered a golf tournament for train.

1882
02:40:52,500 --> 02:40:53,440
I know it was a charity golf tournament

1883
02:40:53,440 --> 02:40:58,640
for benefiting St. Jude and they provided the catering

1884
02:40:58,640 --> 02:40:59,220
and a half price.

1885
02:40:59,980 --> 02:41:01,760
So they're already jumping into the community

1886
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:03,460
joining the Metricress Chamber.

1887
02:41:05,580 --> 02:41:07,580
Like Council Member Axper was saying,

1888
02:41:08,300 --> 02:41:11,420
we had a candlelight vigil last week

1889
02:41:11,420 --> 02:41:14,080
and that was, or this non-Sunday

1890
02:41:14,080 --> 02:41:35,080
And it was incredibly touching and hopefully very healing, I personally think some of the police officers from Fort Worth who are standing in to make it possible for our law enforcement to step back and do their grieving.

1891
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:44,620
And, you know, again, my condolences also to the family of Mr. Parker, who perished in

1892
02:41:44,620 --> 02:41:47,400
that accident as well.

1893
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:52,320
You had an event?

1894
02:41:54,320 --> 02:41:59,000
I think we're going to, I'm free to end it at that solemn note.

1895
02:42:00,060 --> 02:42:07,700
And if you don't mind, sir, the mayor had an event downtown at three nations put himself

1896
02:42:07,700 --> 02:42:16,460
and the duck and both. And I'm hitting the connoisseur, so I took the liberty of spending

1897
02:42:16,460 --> 02:42:24,140
$15 because I'll take any chance to dump them in. And I stood up there and I had 15 swings

1898
02:42:24,140 --> 02:42:33,260
and swings and I missed. And Zach was like, man, you came through. I said, yeah, I'm

1899
02:42:33,260 --> 02:42:38,840
Perfectly and that God now that cannot throw a baseball, but anyhow, it's a good event.

1900
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:40,920
I didn't succeed.

1901
02:42:42,540 --> 02:42:49,300
I do want to point out yesterday because it's awfully rainy and I know that it impacted

1902
02:42:49,300 --> 02:42:54,300
turnout, but we do have an election going on and so the polling locations are open for

1903
02:42:54,300 --> 02:42:59,300
early voting and I encourage everybody that's paying attention to this to have voted make

1904
02:42:59,300 --> 02:43:06,820
you're about to plan and try and show the right and the freedom about that we enjoy.

1905
02:43:08,820 --> 02:43:13,840
There's also on November 4th Chloe we'll be getting an invitation to our alternative

1906
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:24,800
our new mismatch battle of to the line so yeah that's the real battle that's the only

1907
02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:37,520
battle okay any other info staff at all okay and with that we are going to counsel all convene

1908
02:43:37,520 --> 02:44:04,860
In an executive session, pursuant to Texas government code numbers to section 551.071 for private consultation with the city attorney to seek legal advice with respect and in contemplated litigation, including all matters on this agenda to which the city attorney has to do the end of the Texas rules of discipline and professional conduct regarding confidential communication by the city council and section 551.087 to discuss economic development.