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I'm going to call this a planning commission meeting to order the on-air lives on so we can talk.

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Okay, could I please get a motion to approve the agenda?

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A motion to approve the agenda?

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Have a motion from Sherry and a second?

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Second?

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I'm sorry.

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Billy.

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Billy, sorry, Billy.

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You're fine?

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Second from Billy.

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Any further discussion?

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see none on Faber CI and opposed motion carries a little bit this agenda.

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Kay, I also would like to get a motion to approve the minutes of April 18, 2024.

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I'll make that motion.

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Thank you.

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I'll second that motion.

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Motion in a second.

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A further discussion.

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All those in Faber CI and the post minutes are approved.

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Public hearing.

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I would like motion to open the public here.

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Thank you, Jim.

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There's motions or second?

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Oh.

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Did I have to do that?

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All right.

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You can open it.

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When I want the public hearing is now open.

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Ernst Smith will go over the presentation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Leave your eyes there.

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No, no.

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Absolutely not.

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A quick rundown of things we're going to cover tonight.

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It's three of two applications in for Timber Creek.

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The first is a PRD amendment.

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It's pretty technical, so we're going to talk through it.

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Erin Schmidt, the Assistant City Engineer is here too if you have questions for him or for me I want everyone to get a pretty firm understanding

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This is a technical one, but it's pretty straightforward, so it's good practice for something that might come in our future

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Then we have Final Pat for Phase 5, which is the Final Phase of Timber Creek.

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We have a concept planning from United Properties in Lashwab, and then we'll be going over a section of the city code and the sign ordinance.

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So, first on the agenda is the PRDM amendment for Timber Creek, so I'm going to walk through

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some slides.

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We'll open up the public hearing and have some discussion.

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So, Timber Creek is a little in our project that is just west of Carveral Elementary.

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It's been under construction for the past four years, so it's a mix of town homes and

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single family homes.

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It's the project that brought us the expansion of Ironwood Park, so the additional shelter,

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the basketball court, the skate park, et cetera.

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So on the screen now is an overview of Timber Creek, so again, a one-hour product that's been in the community for a while.

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We have worked through the PRD zoning, so in preliminary plot went through a PRD was required for this project.

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I go into some details about what a PRD is and why we do it, but tonight we're looking to amend that PRD.

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So PRD allows for deviation from the city code.

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We typically see this if there are requests for setback reduction or lot size reductions.

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So that happens pretty frequently for us. So if you think about the villa products that we often see,

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going down to the 5,000 square full lot with a five foot side yard setback, that's our most common

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priority. Timber Creek is a priority because there was a mix of housing types. So it was single family

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and town homes. So the two being together didn't fit in one section of our city code. So a

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RAD was required to allow for both of those things to happen simultaneously in one project.

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A PRD creates a stand-alone ordinance for a specific project.

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So any project that has a PRD has an ordinance written for it,

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that the planning commission and city council both review,

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and it dials specifically into the details,

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so it goes into things like setback, cloud sizes, et cetera.

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Notice in public hearing is required for a PRD,

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technically a resounding. So tonight we're talking about is a PRDM and which will replace

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the existing PRD ordinance with us on. So it's technically a resounding, but it's under a

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PRD amendment. Chris, did I see those eyebrows working?

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He's only of a PRD. So we already resounded once in our resounding again. Correct. So why are we

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here? Why are we talking about it? What happened? So we at a self-level recognized that

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property adjacent to timber creek was challenging to develop due to topography, so the area around

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timber creek is still in the township, so we don't know a ton about the properties, we know that

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they're in their annexation area, we know some of the property owners. One of the goals always

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with residential development is to allow property to develop that's adjacent, so anytime that

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a project comes through, we require that sewer and water gets stubbed to the property line, so the next

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person or the next project can hook in right at that property line and go from there.

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We recognize this pretty late in the review, so we took a pretty hard look at phase

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five.

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There's a lift station which Erin spent a lot of time looking at and then this portion of

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the project left us scratching our heads for a while but we were able to work with Leonardo

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to come up with a good solution, I think, based on both of our needs, both of our

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back up one to the choice. So this is specifically the area that we're looking for for the PRD

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amendment. You'll see throughout this plan, there's a yellow dash line. So that's a really

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beautiful and lovely trail segment that's being added. So it's similar to Hothornage, low maintenance

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trail, along a large ravine system. And you can see in the circle on the bottom of the screen right now

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that the trail system hooks into phase five. So this area on the southernmost portion is phase five,

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which we're also reviewing tonight.

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And you can see that in the time of preliminary

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a plat, there was space for that trail easement

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to go between two houses.

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So it was going to be 25 feet wide, just for a trail easement,

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no connection.

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And then we recognized the piece out that's owned by a family

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called, we call them the Bangston's,

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that's the Bangston family.

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So you'll see that the topography of the site

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is really challenging.

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So the closer the lines, the deeper it is.

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And you can see that there's not a great way

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up dog or in road to get to any developable area on this property. So you can see their driver

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right now is about here and I believe that happened because they're in the township. So they're

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not subject to the city's bluff rules right now because they're not in city limits. So the

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day the property is annexed into the city of Carver though then be subject to the bluff ordinance

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which we know is sometimes challenging to develop with but it's really important. It's something

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that allows for projects to develop while also maintaining bluff.

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But you can see here that access from Dalgrin is likely not going to happen.

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Once the bluff rules have an impact on this property.

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So we took a step back with Lanar with phase five of Timber Creek and we asked them what would it look like if we could access the Bengston piece from the north.

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So we moved to the process working with them trying to figure it out.

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We believe that there's a small area of developer-bulland.

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It's not huge.

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This won't be our next 100 single-family home development.

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We're thinking potentially between 10 and 20 home sites, but it could potentially give

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us another product of a larger, or a larger lot, just with different views of the topography

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with the bluff.

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So, we wanted to provide the begsensia ability to develop, show some day they choose, where

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if we didn't provide access from the north, it's not likely they can come from the south,

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So their property is essentially unable to develop beyond what it is today,

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which is just a single family home site.

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They are welcome to live there as long as they want to.

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They are welcome to sell it to someone if they want to keep it a single family home.

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But we know that there is likely development potential here.

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So we wanted to give them the future opportunity.

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Should they choose to develop?

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So again, the topography.

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This is the final part of phase five superimposed end.

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So it did some handy PowerPoint work, but you can see it here.

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So there's just the version you can see that typography is really tight, this is largely phase 5, so you can see it's much flatter here, much easier to develop, so

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Just wanting to provide some access to the North.

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So what that does, we worked with the North, we talked about a lot of options, many of them were terrible, but we got to one that we think is fair for both sides.

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So, with the new street going into this area,

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a lot nine and a lot one here become corner lots

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because there's now going to be a street there. So before it was simply going to be a trail access

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but now since the street is going in there they technically will be corner lots.

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In our city code there's a 20 foot setback from a street to a corner to the foundation on a corner.

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So the setback on these lots went from seven and a half feet to 20 on these two sides, which obviously was challenging.

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We started having conversations with an R, how can we squeeze it in, what could we take out, what could we lose?

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At this point in the process, losing a lot was a tough conversation map with an R when we could come up with some different options.

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So collectively we came up with a proposal to reduce the side yard setback from 20 to 12 and a half.

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specifically for these two lots. So it won't impact any other parts of the project except for these two lots since it went from a trail connection to a full street. That's the change.

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So there were a couple of things that we did. So there was, uh, there's a wetland access.

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That was in the preliminary plot. So you can see it circled on the screen here.

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Our engineering team took a look at it, took a look at the wetland in the pond and how potentially we could get there differently.

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If we simply removed this access, which we were able to do, the public services team and the engineering team

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will use that trail, so the trail here, the trail access to get up to the pond.

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So it'll be a little bit longer of a route, but a route that they absolutely can maneuver and make.

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So we're getting rid of this access right here, and then requesting this IDR production from 20 feet to 12.5 specifically for these two lots.

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So, this is the preliminary plot that was approved.

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You can see these two pieces that we're looking to change right at tonight for the PRD

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amendment.

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So, again, it's just for the two dots because they become corner-lots where previously they

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were just adjacent to a trail.

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So, the two areas on the final plot, so previously the preliminary plot was up.

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This is the revised final plot, so you can see here that that access point is removed, so

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there's going to be a pond right here.

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Instead of accessing it here, we're going to take

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high view road and loop around,

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which is accessible enough for our team.

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So getting rid of the access there

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and then again requesting the side area reduction

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from 20 to 12 and a half.

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So what we're doing tonight is technically creating

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a zoning ordinance for a project replacing the current

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PRD. We're not looking to change anything else

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for the PRD. It's just for those two lots.

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Since we're going from just a standard of that,

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seven and a half side yards up back to corners, which would be 20.

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Since it's technically a rezoning, notice was posted in the Mokonia Patriot, which is

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their new paper, and notice was sent to property owners within 350 feet, which is difficult

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and set by state statute.

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So tonight we're requesting that the Planning Commission hold the public hearing related

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to the cement and provide a recommendation to the city council.

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I'm going to stop now.

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I'll open it up for questions.

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I know that's a lot of information that we worked really hard on for a couple of weeks,

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just give it to you pretty quickly. So, do you have questions?

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Let's do questions, though.

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Oh, here is open.

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have one question concerning where is it high view?

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Yeah, where high view comes out.

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So that made their maybe development

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as high view, but it won't be very much.

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Correct.

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Like, more intense?

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Maybe more than 20.

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Okay, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be a busy world.

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We've seen a couple of concepts that developers have tried to figure it out.

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The property was for sale about a year ago.

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And one of the concepts we saw had 14 lots.

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And that felt pretty tight for us.

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So I'd say somewhere between 10 and 20.

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So it definitely won't be a major thoroughfare.

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It'll be essentially a private drive.

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That's what I was wondering.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else have a question?

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Can you turn on the camera?

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I'm going to turn on the camera.

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Will it be a 26th Street?

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It's proposed to be a 24-foot street with the 8-foot trail on the side to still get into the trail system.

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And that all that that goes parallel to the Bluffs.

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So basically, as Aaron said, it's more or less going to be more of like a driveway feel.

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It's not going to be like a 32-foot streak going down there, so that's why we kind of had to just kind of work together and see what made the most sense for that spot given the fact that there's only going to likely be, you know,

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ten houses or whatever that would be, as Aaron said, it's it's really tight back there, but we just didn't want to

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extend the sewer water and streets of the property line, whatever we can, so

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if there's anybody

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from the public that we'd like to come in?

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I guess there are not. Maybe I also have a question

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or I just have one for the property owners themselves when they purchase these lots. Is there

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like a special notice that's given to them about the setback and then how is their personal property

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impacted by that setback. So like if somebody wants to put a fence in. So you can put a fence on

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our property line. This won't change in the situation. There are a little bit tricky on corners

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just with sight lines but generally at the face of your house anything beyond that you can put a

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six foot privacy fence. We do take into consideration intersection stop signs etc. during the review of

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PDRD amendment are those owning will be recorded against the property.

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So part of it will be it's a little bit tricky to put it in someone else's hands, but

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when our will be responsible for it, they'll come in for a permit.

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Typically these houses, they could be built and on someone buys it so they could recognize right away,

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but it will be likely up to an hour and they're real estate people to let everyone know about the

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change. Frankly, I suspect that people are going to be

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I think these lots are going to be easier to develop than they are because at 20-foot setback can be pretty jarring at times for people to understand that you can't put a house there, you can't put a shed there, so the reduction helps there too.

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I think it's pretty encouraging that we're thinking ahead and we're working with the other property owner, you know, and not shutting off their opportunities.

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So I think it's, I like how we're being proactive and appreciate that when I worked with

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us to take that into consideration.

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So it was kind of a scary minute when we were on a staff meeting and it was like, oh, we

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got to have that conversation.

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But they were a great partner.

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We had a long meeting just talking through options with them.

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So if anyone from Liner is watching, it was great.

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What was the reason for it was a changing lot while taking away that little area of the wetland?

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It gave us more space.

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So it allowed us to shift a lot.

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Oh, they shifted the lots.

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I got a question.

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We're guarding in the middle of the room.

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7 and 9.

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24 feet correct.

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Is this space 911?

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Yes.

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Is there any kind of need for a public service access?

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It's 24.

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adequate, or we not need to have certain, for public service, you know, fire, please second

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and come to that in that in the interception.

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That's a good question, so the fire code provides for if you have, like, a continuous

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street, it has to be a minimum with, but in this case, since it would be like a dead-end

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street extension. There's set distances where basically the fire department is allowed to drive in

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and then they can basically just back right out. So this will be a, this would be a call this

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act street in the future if it were to be extended. So I don't see any issues with it as it's

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laid out right now. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Erin, can you talk about some other streets in Carver

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that are 24, like I'm thinking about oak tree court?

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Yeah, there's a handful of streets that are at 24 feet.

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That's kind of a, I'll call it a minimum standard,

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it's 12 foot lanes, so to your point, Eric,

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if you can get more, it's good.

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So for our typical streets like in this piece of the development

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in the main loop road, there are 32 foot streets

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that's kind of our standard with, but 24 feet

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considered a minimum standard for a public street. And a lot of private streets in town are

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24 feet as well. So, and those the private streets get reviewed by public services and

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fire also just for access for emergency needs. So, I'm thinking of that.

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That's just ruined.

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Oh, true court. Everything in River Bluff is states, which is the South Forty Brookview

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I can't think of anything else, how much I had or no,

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but.

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Anyone else?

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Okay, and there's no comments from the

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public.

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There's no comments from the public.

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The whole hearing will be closed, no further comments on this issue.

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If you've received the meeting, anyone providing comments should state their name and address.

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Since nobody did.

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And I please get a motion to close the public hearing.

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Motion to close.

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Thank you.

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There's a motion.

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There's a second.

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Thank you.

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On favor C.I.

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Hi.

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Okay, now the public hearings closed.

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Does anybody have any further questions?

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Is there any of this matter?

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Okay, in which case,

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could you get a motion to approve the plan residential development

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and for timber creek?

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I will make that motion.

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Thank you.

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Sure, is made a motion.

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Is there a second?

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Well, second.

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First is made a second.

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Any further discussion?

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All those in favor, C.I. and those opposed motion carries.

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Okay, Timber Creek Phase 5 Final Platte.

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Thank you.

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We have started talking about Timber Creek quite a bit and Phase 5.

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So a couple of refreshes of where we're at.

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So final plat is the last stage in the process.

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So this will be the last time the planning commission sees this request.

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It's been through several other versions.

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So Timber Creek started as property in Belgrant Township.

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We did annexation, but it didn't need a W and environmental assessment worksheet based

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on the number of lots that were here.

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Moved it through Carmset Plan for the Minary of Thought and Final Plant now five times.

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So here we are.

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Number five.

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So final plot is the last step in your review in the planning commission and city council

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process.

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I love to usually say there's little deviation from the preliminary plot.

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The deviation tonight is what we just reviewed with that PRD event, so it's a couple changes to those

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lots. The next up in final part is that the staff and the development team work on the developers

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agreement, we call it a DA for short, and it covers things like city fees, it's how we collect

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park dedication, stormwater area charges, siren fees, et cetera. It sets things like construction

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expectations, so it goes through construction hours, let's us know when people will be working,

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hall routes, how they're going to get materials to the site, warranties, timelines, it covers almost

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everything, but something always happens. It's really hard to make sure that it doesn't,

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so the DA is unsigned by the city and the developer and is recorded against the property.

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Once the developers agreement is signed, work can begin on the property.

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So

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some details about Timber Creek as a whole, it's again a PRD, we'll have a new amendment

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after the City Council reviews on July 1st.

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It was a really large site about 65 acres that developed with Lanar in total.

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It shook out to be 74 town homes with several single family homes.

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So you'll see the PUDs, a different way to say PRD, we'll just change that one corner

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that back based on planning commission review tonight,

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phase five is 50-3 single family homes.

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So the image on the screen right now is their phasing,

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so phase one is in the blue, so that included the town homes,

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single family homes in the expansion ironwood park.

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Phase two was the red, phase three in yellow,

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phase four in green, and then phase five

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is again this other late area here.

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The plot is on the screen now, so again a really technical document that shows

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outlots, easements, slot layout, et cetera.

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These are the same image just rotated.

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I know it can be tricky to look at these and get your bearings.

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So they're the same, they're not different.

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So you can see the access to a high view here,

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and then that shift that we just talked about with that PRD

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amendment.

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But in general, this is the layout of the 53 additional loss

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for a timber creek five.

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Erin, class, one question.

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For sure.

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So you mentioned, we made amendments

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to those corner lots, I'm going to put that in that grid you were just showing.

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Yep. Does that impact any other corner lot in this phase or is it specific to those

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lot numbers? It's specific to those lot numbers. Okay. So I write it in the updated

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PRD ordinance that it's just specific to block blank, blank, blank for those two. Thank you.

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Something we talked a little bit about but something I am personally really excited about is

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trail factor that comes in. So, we talked about that big group of even trail with fees for

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they started that construction, but fees vival also have that connection and the southern

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late area. Just a teaser, it may be our own ever coming to fruition, but if I say it here it

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might. That carver county is working on a regional trail to connect Carver to O'Conia and they

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started to eye this corridor as maybe an option to connect these two. So, we're working really closely

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with them to attempt to connect. That portion of our trail into the larger regional

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system. So you can see throughout the screen how it connects into the greater system. It'll

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be a really well connected neighborhood with a unique trail feature with the unimproved

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area along that ravine. Something that's always a little bit fun and interesting is a landscape

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plan. So throughout the project it's two guaranteed trees per lot and then some generous landscaping

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and other shared areas. So some versions there. A couple examples of what the homes look like

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out Timber Creek. So that is all I have for you. I'll open it up for discussion and comment.

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How much more to say we've been doing this for a long time?

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Anybody have any comments or questions?

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Yeah, have any of you guys question? So with a plaid fire there have been any

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discussion with adding satellite, green space or park or whatnot?

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So this is just eyeballing probably three core miles

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half a mile to the ironwood park.

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They're going to an

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awfully nice room.

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Is

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your timeline for this?

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They have already done the greeting.

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work. They did grading of four and five together. This has felt the least urgent that we've

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had linar, so I would say they might do some work this year, but I'd say next summer is

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probably when they'll start an earnest.

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It's a pretty good amount of information they need.

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All right. Let's move down to new business 5.2, United Properties Concept Plan Review.

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Do you need to approve a final plan?

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Where is it?

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I thought we had to wait for the...

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We can go ahead and approve it tonight.

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I think in motion to approve the final plan.

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I would like to approve the final plan.

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Final plan five.

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Timmer Creek.

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There's a motion.

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Second.

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I'll...

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No, you were a part of all of this.

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Yes.

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I'll check.

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There's a motion in a second to approve final plan for Timmer Creek five.

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Any further discussion?

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Who doesn't favor say aye?

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And opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Now we're going to move down to 5.2 United Properties Council Plan Review.

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I just have to say I told Tom that I thought we'd hit United Properties at 7.

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Man, that was pretty good.

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Yes, one minute.

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Time manager.

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Oh, okay.

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So tonight we just completed final plot, which is the last step in the process and now we are switching the concept plan, which is the first step in the process.

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So I want to be really clear that this is a step in the process where we don't know a lot of the details.

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You might be asking us a bunch of questions and we might say I don't know or I'll get back to you and we're not doing that to be coy or facetious.

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We truly don't know a lot of the details right now.

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So concept plan review, add a planning commission level, is feedback.

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It's an opportunity for you to give your ideas, your thoughts, your community knowledge to

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a developer that's looking to come into the community.

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It's also a great time to ask questions, Tom is here with you, 90 properties, who is the

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property owner.

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So I'll ask him to be part of the discussion once we get to that point too, to answer some

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questions.

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Erin is always available and then I am always here too.

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So, again, money unknowns, engineering has typically not started, so we don't know details

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about what size the pipe is going to be or how it's going to lay out.

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So again, big picture.

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This is cited for the U.S. City Council on July 1st, so if you're interested in watching it,

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move through the process, that's where the meeting will hit.

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This one is a little bit interesting.

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If you are on for the quick trip review, it's similar there or next steps are home town.

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So the property owner is the United Properties, the proposed user is Les Schwab.

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And we are potentially getting a member of the last swab team, but my Zoom keeps kicking me out.

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So I'm going to maybe be a little preoccupied by that if I keep looking at my screen.

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But we'll keep going.

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So talking about location, we are in, if you haven't been on the planning commission for a while,

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we call it card requirements. I don't know if anyone else does.

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But it's the property with quick trip, next up learning center, home town bank, a couple other users

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that can join our community once again.

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Okay, I fix it. We have to do this during COVID and I was so excited when we could stop and now it's back and it's all tricky. Okay, let's fire through.

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All right, so some site details and the conference of plan, which is on the previous screen, you can see it circled in red, which means the property is guided for commercial development.

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It's own freeway commercial, utilities are available through Monroe Drive.

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We've anticipated development on the site for a long time.

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We have planned for it.

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There are utilities available, something that's little interesting is that the streets are

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private throughout Carver Commons, so the city is not responsible for maintenance of them.

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So it's like a commercial, each way that takes care of them.

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There will be a new access with the site, which is really exciting.

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So there's access, obviously, from Monroe, moving south, but there will also be a slip

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from Jonathan Carver Parkway. Thinking through our freeway commercial district, permitted

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use is right up the Lush swab alley. Ooh, that was a cute car pun. Retail sales or personal

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service businesses involve repairing motor vehicles, et cetera, so they've reviewed of this

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information. Lush swab fits into this category with the vehicle size with the gross pounds.

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So I'm the screen now is the concept plan that United Properties, the property owner has

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submitted, so to get your bearings a little bit, I've labeled next steps quick trip and

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Tom Bank and Mokomanky.

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So as part of this application,

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the proposals for a construction of those private streets,

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as well as creating Black One,

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Lat One, that will potentially

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develop to be a Lashwob share the project

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continue to move forward.

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So part of the request tonight is reviewing

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those private streets reviewing that lot to be created

461
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,220
to potentially be sold to Lashwob for development.

462
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:20,320
Here it is imposed on the overall site plan or the site.

463
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,080
You can see where the private street ducks in there, a little bit clearer, so it will be

464
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,440
less probable access directly from the south from that slip right, and you can see that

465
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,020
the private street goes straight up from quick trips to the straight north from quick trip and then

466
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:33,280
over.

467
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,820
We have also contemplated that slip right for a really long time, as part of the Jonathan Carver

468
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:47,020
Parkway project, we worked really hard with Carver County to preserve this area that we wouldn't

469
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:51,060
have to rip it up in a couple years when the property developed, so we worked really hard

470
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:55,320
them to allow a slip right into the site, just knowing it would be commercial, that a secondary

471
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,840
access would be really important. So you can see in the striping and in the curb work that

472
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,760
it's already there, Carver County is aware of this project coming in. They will do full review

473
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,080
at preliminary plot, but again, something we've planned for will not be a surprise for them.

474
00:33:09,980 --> 00:33:14,980
So it'll be an additional access into the Carver Common site. As I talk through it a couple of

475
00:33:14,980 --> 00:33:20,560
times, there still is developable space. So you can see the property north of hometown bank,

476
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,800
will still be developable, and then outlaw A is the large site that will be the remainder of the site.

477
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Outlaw B is a pond, so that's not developable. And then there's a small site directly east of

478
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,760
next step learning center that could develop.

479
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,000
So some details of site plan for the last

480
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,300
shrub site you can see other building will lay out potentially on the full site, so a north

481
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:45,760
South orientation,

482
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:49,940
and then some examples of other

483
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:53,540
less shrubs in the greater United States.

484
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,180
There are in a ton in the Minnesota market,

485
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,280
but they're starting to infiltrate a bit more.

486
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,660
There's one in more head.

487
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:02,120
Apple Valley is going through a view at C.

488
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,460
Go, there are several in South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana.

489
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,400
So a couple of examples of what it will look like.

490
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,700
So again, the site plan proposed by United

491
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:17,420
Properties, showing that private street and then

492
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:19,760
creation of Black One, that one.

493
00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:22,160
So Tom, do you mind coming up and introducing yourself

494
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,620
to the group and we'll open it up?

495
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,060
I'll have you press the button on the mic to turn it on.

496
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:33,300
Good evening, everybody.

497
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:35,520
Tom Strom, senior development manager of the United

498
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,940
properties, it's not raining yet, so that's good news.

499
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Yeah, and excited to be here, so thanks for having me

500
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,000
and here for any questions.

501
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Erin, I have one, I don't know if this is just a typo, but I just wanted to clarify.

502
00:34:52,860 --> 00:35:01,780
So in the right of the staff document, it's articulating that there's utility capacity for proposed homes.

503
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,160
Oh yeah, that is a typo.

504
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:03,840
I think that's a typo.

505
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:04,600
It sure is.

506
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:09,520
So I just wanted to clarify that.

507
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:15,540
Any new commercial development I think is exciting in the city.

508
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:24,740
The one thing that worries me is the visual appearance of the structure, especially coming down

509
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:31,200
the JCP corridor, and how is the, it's hard with the preliminary picture that you have.

510
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,780
You have a canopy that's on the street side.

511
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:42,080
So what, is that like the finished side or front side of the building, or is that the,

512
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:45,520
what

513
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,360
to those pictures?

514
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:57,700
Well, I don't know if Ron is on, Ron is not, he'd be more well-suited to probably describe.

515
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:00,780
So it's a bit of a unique scenario here, right?

516
00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:01,540
We're the landowner.

517
00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:07,420
We're just, I don't know what ton about their project yet, so I don't have a good answer

518
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:13,480
but from those questions, I think, or from those pictures that Aaron showed, I don't think

519
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,300
we saw the canopy.

520
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:26,540
So I would agree that orientation would be focused towards GCP just to get curve appeal where we can take a not look like parking.

521
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:34,580
Also in our city code, there's a provision that says like the last line of the free commercial district is really helpful.

522
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:41,500
So vehicles parked outside and awaiting service shall be considered as after storage and therefore shall be screened from public rights of way.

523
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:46,620
So, cars won't be parked along JCP just for extended periods of time.

524
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,220
So, my concern,

525
00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:54,010
you know, is there a retaining wall there?

526
00:36:54,290 --> 00:37:00,830
It's like, welcome, I think there's a big height difference in the street and the...

527
00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:05,170
Is it flat to the street or is there a retaining wall?

528
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:08,350
I think it's pretty lit right at that right in.

529
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:14,910
I think it's kind of the low point from the intersection, from Monroe between Monroe and the freeway.

530
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:19,830
Probably I think that's probably the low spot so it's probably pretty close to

531
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:24,310
and rate it. Your picture might show it to a construction picture.

532
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,090
But to Tom's point I think it's pretty flat. It's pretty flat.

533
00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:33,830
But if there are things that would help so if it's like landscaping or other feedback you want to

534
00:37:33,830 --> 00:37:42,190
not necessarily at the time. Yeah, so my, can I reference another project? Sure. Okay, so

535
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:52,870
visually it is hard to drive by where the veterinarian clinic is in, that building,

536
00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:59,470
because it's the back side of the building, it's not the front side of the building, and we drive

537
00:37:59,470 --> 00:38:03,390
by on the daily basis and see the ventilation equipment.

538
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:05,230
It's going to get screened, but yes, continue.

539
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:09,930
Okay, so it's, I mean, it's understandable to the ventilation equipment.

540
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:12,590
So, but visually it's not attractive.

541
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:15,470
And now we're going to put a fence around it,

542
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:19,930
which probably, you know, it doesn't make it.

543
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:20,850
It's going to be better.

544
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:25,610
It'll be, but who wants to look at a fence driving down the main corridor?

545
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,850
It'll be landscape to if that changes anything.

546
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:28,930
That's perfect.

547
00:38:28,930 --> 00:38:33,410
Okay. And I know that one has been on my list too. It's been a requirement for them.

548
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:42,590
So I just want to make sure that, you know, this is, I view this as the main road coming off the freeway into our town.

549
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:51,970
And the things that are going to be present right off the freeway need to be visually appealing to welcome people in.

550
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:59,890
So that would be my concern as how the building is positioned, the screening, that would

551
00:38:59,890 --> 00:39:06,730
be required if it's, you know, a company that is, you know, storing whatever.

552
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:10,550
I just want to make sure that it's visually appealing and welcoming.

553
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:16,630
Well, there will be, there will be adequate things, if that helps a lot.

554
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:22,210
Yeah, no fair question right and then I know that was the meeting we had

555
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:25,590
We're back at May we kind of had went through some of those same questions and

556
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:30,490
Definitely we communicate that back to the to their team. Yeah

557
00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:37,790
If they're gonna store cars and then's the backside. I don't think having us either eat or eat foot fence going down

558
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:41,030
Jcd for the length of the property is what we would want

559
00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:48,970
I have a general a united property's question. So a lot of people will come

560
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:58,810
to us or city council or whoever they can say and say, I want a, fill in the link, I won't say.

561
00:39:59,670 --> 00:40:01,130
But how does the process work?

562
00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:03,070
Oh, it's a great question.

563
00:40:05,710 --> 00:40:08,190
It depends which day of the week, what the weather is like.

564
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:10,710
I don't know.

565
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:14,950
I mean, it's, you probably will maybe some of you don't know.

566
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:20,670
He fell sted, had been at United Properties for 25 years, bought this land back in 2006.

567
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:25,030
And I inherited that we call it Legacy Land.

568
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:28,470
Depends on the spreadsheets.

569
00:40:28,830 --> 00:40:31,390
Usually, like, if you write red, like, figure this out.

570
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:38,830
So in this case, sometimes we have a broker, you probably see the signs up there, right,

571
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:45,850
week field, they may get a call directly from another broker saying, hey, in this case, this

572
00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:46,330
will happen.

573
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:51,850
Saying, hey, we have a client that wants to buy some land from you, tell us what's available,

574
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:53,110
et cetera, et cetera.

575
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:55,310
In this case, we tried to do the deal directly.

576
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:57,130
They already had a developer,

577
00:40:59,210 --> 00:41:03,550
so this for us is a land sale, and we're putting an infrastructure,

578
00:41:03,550 --> 00:41:06,250
So that's one scenario.

579
00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:09,890
Sometimes we might know a business owner.

580
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:13,930
We've been working with several grossers for about a year now

581
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:15,750
to try and land one of them here.

582
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:17,670
So that's more of a personal relationship.

583
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:20,290
You try and, you know, how are things going?

584
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:21,210
Are you ready?

585
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:23,850
You know, there's a lot of reason you should be telling.

586
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:26,830
Yeah, we've told them that.

587
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:32,650
And so it's kind of all of, sometimes it comes through the

588
00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:37,810
brokers, we've gotten some contacts from Erin and Brent at the city and we kind of follow up

589
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:42,270
with them and see what that goes. So kind of all over, I don't know if that answers your

590
00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:46,510
question, but if you have interested in people that want to do certain things, happy to have

591
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:47,650
conversation and see.

592
00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:51,890
I just think the education is good because a lot of people will be like, you know, if we get

593
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:57,590
58 is we're going to get whatever to come here. It just doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work

594
00:41:57,590 --> 00:42:01,930
that way. Like they don't feel the city's like putting the effort in.

595
00:42:01,930 --> 00:42:13,750
Right, right. I think we're correspondingly recently that we were tracking down a restaurant user and we're like great a lot of reason that we should be here

596
00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:20,010
They should be here, but they ran into different franchise restrictions and radiuses and so then yeah

597
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:27,410
And some of the feedback referred is the daytime population for some users doesn't you know, so

598
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:33,730
Do you mind coming up?

599
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:35,730
Do you mind sharing a table of some?

600
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:37,710
I can scoot over.

601
00:42:41,550 --> 00:42:42,930
My name is Matt Kerber.

602
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:46,270
365 and seven, the rebloid, Chaska, Minnesota.

603
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:49,570
My wife and I own next steps.

604
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:54,170
And to kind of piggyback, maybe on some of the comments,

605
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:59,490
Tom made the road that you saw in the previous or in the next photo.

606
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:05,430
I think oftentimes too, like, so if I were looking at this,

607
00:43:06,830 --> 00:43:14,530
when developing a new learning center, as you can tell, and I don't know, I think Keith was around when we did ours, right?

608
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:17,470
So the first thing you're going to do is put it right up.

609
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,850
You're going to want land right up next to a road, right?

610
00:43:20,530 --> 00:43:24,790
Less infrastructure cost to bring in water, road, all that kind of stuff.

611
00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:30,450
And, you know, you guys had kind of pushed back saying, well, we let you build right next to the road

612
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:32,850
who's ever going to build behind you and we're like, perfect.

613
00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:38,430
Now we're negotiating, so they said, how about we push you back and we said, well, how about you build the road?

614
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:51,430
And so there's always that back and forth. If this road gets put in, I will, I can almost guarantee the development itself will, will develop faster.

615
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:59,850
And the infrastructure and the roads are the biggest things. Since they're not in there, a lot of people will look at it today and

616
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:01,930
and press back there list.

617
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:05,530
So this is going to change things, I think drastically.

618
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:11,950
The reason I'm here, I'm so that the North and South section,

619
00:44:13,330 --> 00:44:16,390
there's quite a drop off right there.

620
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:19,910
My question, like, what is happening with that?

621
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:21,310
Is that getting leveled off?

622
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:25,430
Is that going to follow the existing elevation?

623
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:28,290
Or what is kind of the plan for that out?

624
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:35,810
Yeah. Well, this is great. We're meeting tonight for the first time. Yeah, no, it's a

625
00:44:35,810 --> 00:44:39,010
fair question, right? Right where the kind of property line is there in the South

626
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:44,990
Great drops. So we'll have to build build up that road. And we've kind of started with

627
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:50,170
our civil engineering team to look at that. So we'll have to bring the great up a little

628
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:55,790
bit and then figure out how that meets up over with the right in. So I'll have to bring

629
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:59,170
elevation up. Yeah.

630
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,020
Do you want to add anything? Yeah, I would, I just add that once, once they get into preliminary

631
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:10,280
plaats, I suspect that you guys will look at grading from kind of a comprehensive level for

632
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:16,800
the kind of the build on the site. You can see that at this point, the whole thing is kind of

633
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,000
contributing so they have all that A is kind of the northwest corner. So I'm guessing that

634
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,340
time civil engineering team will kind of lay out kind of a conceptual grading plan for the

635
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:33,780
entire balance of the development, which will then dictate their street grades for that

636
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:39,640
L shape that would be installed in this phase. So, I don't have any concerns with that,

637
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:45,760
it'll get feared out and they'll be able to set a street grade L complement kind of the future

638
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:53,640
build out of the of the development. But, good, very good question and for sure be reviewing that

639
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,740
to make sure everything fits well, going forward, so.

640
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,760
Also, thanks for the candid information.

641
00:46:00,140 --> 00:46:00,960
I think it's always helpful.

642
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640
We say a lot of those things

643
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,060
at the planning commission level that it's a broker,

644
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,720
and it's a little indoner, but curing it

645
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,340
from two people that do that work is really helpful.

646
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,260
I just told him to call Aaron.

647
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:17,720
I really appreciate you stepping forward.

648
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:20,680
First, congratulations on your business

649
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,860
and that it's successful. That's fantastic. And I liked your comment because I wasn't thinking

650
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:31,100
like that, but you're probably right. We get this job developed in the rest of this corner

651
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:35,420
while we'll take off.

652
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:43,720
I mean, Canada, that's always the balance of speed to market is important. And that is one

653
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:49,920
thing we've heard about our site compared to some other ones. And so we're kind of excited to

654
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,820
extend those, the streets, the sidewalks, the trails, the utilities, so that when the next person

655
00:46:54,820 --> 00:47:01,700
comes in or the L.O.I. comes across our desk, it's more certainty, timing and cost and

656
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:02,260
all that stuff.

657
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:09,580
So, I just want to add, the right in there is obviously just one way until it gets wider

658
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:15,760
and I believe that that serves as kind of a right in for trucks as well, but they all have

659
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,200
to go back out to the, to Monroe through the main North South Road.

660
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,800
When we go to like concept, what kind of like economic modeling and stuff has been done

661
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,360
like by this specific company would be like, this is a good idea for cardboard, because I feel

662
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:39,360
like there's been a lot of similar type, not a lot, but a couple in the area that have gone

663
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,820
out of business in the past couple years, like if I just think to your point like, this

664
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:55,400
It's like right off the freeway, this is karma, it wouldn't be ideal, right, that it would not be in business in a couple years, which I know is not ideal for anybody,

665
00:47:57,780 --> 00:48:02,640
but what kind of economic modeling if they don't to be like, yeah, this is where we want to build.

666
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:19,420
I think it depends on the, I mean, this is a, I know they're newer to this market, but they, you know, do stuff around the country. So they have a, I'm sure they have their own kind of robust site selection criteria in terms of trips and visibility and population growth.

667
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,060
And traffic and this.

668
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:26,620
In distance to other, you know, centers.

669
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:29,880
Oh, I can theory all of that's been done before they

670
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,660
Yes.

671
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:31,420
Correct.

672
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:33,260
Yeah.

673
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:35,120
You have to remember, too.

674
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,960
This is kind of a crossroads.

675
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:39,540
It's 212 going east and west.

676
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,000
You also have 11 going north and south.

677
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:45,380
So it kind of can accept a pretty good market.

678
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:45,860
Yeah.

679
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:46,700
It's a great location.

680
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,420
I was just wondering, like, is this like, we're thinking about it.

681
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:51,960
Let's put it out.

682
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:52,940
There's a concept plan.

683
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:56,580
Or there's been, like, economic modeling and that sort of stuff done.

684
00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:58,200
by their team.

685
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,620
We are a really friendly group at City Hall, but we typically don't like to get an application

686
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:07,900
to you until it feels like they have some skin in the game or like they're working towards

687
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:08,440
a project.

688
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,380
So, we have a lot of meetings with people who say, I love coffee, can I open a coffee shop,

689
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,800
and it's like, yeah, here are the 10 things that you'd have to think about.

690
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:21,420
Sometimes they come back for a second meeting, sometimes they don't, but to get to this

691
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:25,620
level, they have engaged with an engineering team at this point.

692
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:30,100
So, should feedback be favorable from planning commission in City Council, and if they can

693
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:34,380
accommodate some of those questions that we have, they likely will move forward with

694
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:38,040
preliminary a plan, which is why there's a substantial investment into the project.

695
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:43,520
I think that Ron, from Ashwab, just joined the Zoom.

696
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Hi, Ron.

697
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:48,920
Thanks for joining us.

698
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:55,180
I just gave a presentation. Tom is with us. He's at a microphone. So the

699
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:57,720
planning commission is just asking questions now. So if you don't mind we'll

700
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:03,280
do a little bit of a Q&A with you. Do you mind giving just a quick overview of

701
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,200
our shop, the process where you're at?

702
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:11,820
Yes, so I'm going to sit down here. So we're in

703
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:13,880
the worst and the prepare

704
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,260
preliminary, some middle. Does that what you call it?

705
00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:21,660
for the owner of flat.

706
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:28,170
You don't get the intelligent process

707
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:29,370
even forward.

708
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:32,990
I don't know.

709
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:33,190
I don't know.

710
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:37,170
Could you give us a little background on

711
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:38,230
my Shrobs specifically?

712
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:40,850
Yes, one here.

713
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:42,210
I ask the notes.

714
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:46,060
Ron's likely calling us from beautiful bosom

715
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:46,700
on my tannas.

716
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,680
So I always have to remind us of that

717
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,580
when I talk to him.

718
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Because I'm, well,

719
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,960
I really like the,

720
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:54,960
I'm in the,

721
00:50:57,420 --> 00:50:57,660
uh,

722
00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:58,500
uh, come on over.

723
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:58,940
Yeah.

724
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,940
I'm supposed to get back to those in late tonight,

725
00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:08,770
here we go, let's try it.

726
00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:11,770
So you're less sure I was founded in 1952,

727
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:17,530
in expanding service ever since.

728
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:21,750
They're in a point in your company right now, where they're expanding service in the Minnesota.

729
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:30,510
They love the customer service, it's one of their key, very key components of the company.

730
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:35,510
They're promote from within company, they are

731
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:39,490
proposing that believe it's the seven

732
00:51:39,490 --> 00:51:41,150
bay of linear retail

733
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:50,990
tires, you know, break, so I know that oil changes are the major services

734
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:51,870
they provide.

735
00:51:55,180 --> 00:52:02,440
In six days a week, 80m to six p.m. close on Sundays, one could be completed within each bay

736
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,100
on this project, so in this bay is that's where it work, it's included, I believe there

737
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:14,260
on this project, there is an exterior canopy there on the east side of the store.

738
00:52:14,420 --> 00:52:14,540
It

739
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:20,810
can have to be that square little service like boat trailers from motorhome.

740
00:52:21,110 --> 00:52:24,050
Those types of vehicles that can't go into the bay.

741
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:31,400
You know, when the work being completed in the bay is that keeps noise levels at minimum.

742
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:35,040
We don't store outside the building.

743
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:46,160
They don't want to think about deliveries.

744
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:49,730
They've heard about once a week.

745
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:53,090
And thus, that tires get picked up on once a week.

746
00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:57,070
Great.

747
00:52:57,410 --> 00:53:00,250
I'm going to open it up for questions specifically for Ron now.

748
00:53:00,370 --> 00:53:01,490
If that's okay with the group.

749
00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:05,650
Ron, Ron, this is Sherry Walsh.

750
00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:11,750
Can you help me understand the reasoning of the location of the canopy on the east side,

751
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:13,010
versus flipping the structure?

752
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:21,670
I think the reasoning for that is just for how the trucks need to travel through the site,

753
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:29,950
was that provides the safest, more accommodating route to the site, so your factory and

754
00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:35,950
those things are, there's a semi-track, we'll come through the site, you know, for the

755
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:36,370
delivery.

756
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:44,700
And Dick likes to run around the building, you know, the canopy there in the

757
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:50,140
east side and they, you know, you know, quiet wants the showroom facing, facing the

758
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,020
Where are the tires stored,

759
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,720
the use tires that they're going to hollow it?

760
00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:07,580
Is this, I think you can see it on a site's lately.

761
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:13,960
Now this site, you see it on the north side, is it just a, is there any, you see it, you see

762
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:20,200
it's already a full ration closure, there's a larger tank unit, yeah, yeah, it's called a full

763
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,620
pack.

764
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,760
That's called the external full pack, that's where the spent tires get stored and they

765
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:33,100
I think that once a week, you know, that's a six-foot high minimum enclosure, so it's

766
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:37,360
fully screened on a concrete pattern.

767
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:44,730
Questions?

768
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:45,750
I have a question.

769
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:52,370
So, Chris, to go down, how many employees are planned to work here?

770
00:54:52,370 --> 00:55:01,710
So seven days, this is a seven day, you know, on a given day to about 10 employees?

771
00:55:08,820 --> 00:55:10,020
Eric Danzky?

772
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,120
Ron, this is Eric Danzky.

773
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:15,710
As far as the location, a lot one block one.

774
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:18,780
I see those advantages for that position.

775
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:24,840
Is there any discussion or amenable to other locations in this area?

776
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:26,060
You know, somewhere specifically.

777
00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:33,440
and a lot, hey, you know, you know, I know more about locations of

778
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:40,680
the discussed, but now this location is really the focal point right now. Is it a

779
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,000
common all or nothing? You have this black one or nothing?

780
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:55,960
You know, that's a question, you know, this is the, this is the, this is the

781
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:08,860
Yeah, so I guess, I'll just add, I think that's what we cite when, so yeah, yeah, so good question,

782
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:13,690
it's a negotiation, right?

783
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:21,770
I think between landseller and buyer, and this one, and trying to move them into different parts of the site,

784
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:24,310
I'm trying to look at you, but I'm not talking about myself.

785
00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:36,470
So, I think that, you know, while we were approached about this, we said, you can go here, you can go here, you can go here.

786
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:44,550
I think a lot of people want to be on the kind of that visibility on that portion of the site, and I think that's why they landed on that site.

787
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:48,230
So, I probably doesn't answer your entire question,

788
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,160
but...

789
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:01,930
way look like

790
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:09,530
on the west side of this. So whatever you see, you know, the next

791
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:13,770
lap that solves, what does that drive look like between the properties?

792
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:23,610
Kind of that 30 foot shared, if you go back to that other plan, you're like

793
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:29,570
right, it like straddles the versus 30, is this a 30 foot shared access, like

794
00:57:29,570 --> 00:57:37,370
drive so there'd be like a drive aisle north south between lush swabs parcel, you know, half

795
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:42,730
on that parcel and half on the future parcel to the west of it. That's great,

796
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:47,060
Tom. So

797
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:49,600
it's about 15 foot you say the problem you're

798
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:57,130
on. And it's be a paved, like a paved drive lane.

799
00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:04,880
Okay, this is Cindy Muram, the chair of the planning commission. And I'm curious, this 40 foot

800
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,260
is that open air that you're going to be working on vehicles?

801
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:12,220
The 40 foot canopy?

802
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,580
Yeah, under the 40 foot canopy, is it open air?

803
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:21,540
Yeah, a critical canopy is open air there on the east side.

804
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,980
However, there are things we can do to change it based on zoning code.

805
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:46,660
I think our concern is, at least the feeling I'm getting from the commission is that our concern is that we would prefer that the front of your building is facing is facing the road as that's just coming into Carver.

806
00:58:48,220 --> 00:59:01,420
But is there, and you had said that the owner wants to have the, the, the, the Bay areas facing west is, is that for a certain reason or?

807
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,880
It is still lying that share drive.

808
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,660
You know, that's where customers, you know, folks are going to be driving north.

809
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:09,380
Yeah.

810
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:15,140
the screen and you know that's they're going to see the show room or the main you

811
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:21,340
know like the 88 Parking will be clearly shown that's it's just be right there

812
00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:25,780
I'm sorry I'm sorry are you talking about off the street of the shared access

813
00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:33,140
yes okay because I'm talking about kind of a 11 okay yeah

814
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:42,140
I believe there's a great change in there where you start up high and so they'll be looking down right.

815
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:49,160
So on this time, I don't remember when you joined or didn't join, I think Commission member Walsh asked,

816
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:52,520
really kind of what's the front of the building, what's the back of the building,

817
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:59,980
and I think the concern really is that this is the kind of front entry to the car.

818
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,840
For if you will, right? And I think I heard you say before that the way you've laid it out now, really, is kind of a facilitates

819
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:22,640
vehicular movement, the best, right? In terms of coming off the shared drive and getting to the parking, as well as the loading and unloading of deliveries, or, you know, trash removal.

820
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:31,070
Oh, maybe we could have some landscape screening on that east side.

821
01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:32,890
You know,

822
01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:38,110
that's a good idea on the east side.

823
01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:41,890
There's a green and a hand-slandsgiving plan that you said.

824
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:46,010
And we're at now in the process.

825
01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:49,150
Your feedback could be explore flipping the building.

826
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:50,250
What would that look like?

827
01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:52,970
I don't know if we'll come back and say yes, it works out perfectly,

828
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:56,950
but we can explore it and see if it's an option. I would like, I would like that.

829
01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:57,710
Yeah, yeah.

830
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:59,310
Ron, this is Sherry.

831
01:00:59,970 --> 01:01:00,190
Hi.

832
01:01:00,550 --> 01:01:00,770
Hi.

833
01:01:01,130 --> 01:01:04,110
So Sherry Walsh, Tom referenced me.

834
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:05,350
So here's my concern.

835
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:08,690
I'm just seeing, um,

836
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:09,010
in here.

837
01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:15,430
So this is the, and I view this as the entry point into the city of Carver.

838
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:16,630
Okay.

839
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:22,170
And this is going to be the first property that people are going to see coming south from

840
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:28,910
2012. And my preference would be that they're not looking at the back of a building. They don't

841
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:38,550
see a bullpen that 60 feet long and 20 feet deep that is storing spent tires. That's my concern.

842
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:46,260
We want to make sure that we're presenting Carver as a welcoming, you know, environment and talent.

843
01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:53,100
So, my concern, I didn't understand what the canopy was, not that you've explained that

844
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:56,040
there's going to be vehicle maintenance in an open air canopy.

845
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:05,840
That doesn't give me the warm welcome aesthetic look that I think our town would want.

846
01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:16,320
If you flipped the property, spun it around 180, I think there's, that would look nice.

847
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:20,140
It's just my two sons.

848
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:21,600
All right.

849
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:28,780
I think there might be consensus here on the commission that's, I know, or the board that's kind of what we're looking for.

850
01:02:35,350 --> 01:02:40,910
That's something that's something that you go back to the team on and you get some additional thoughts.

851
01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:44,950
Are there any considerations with building materials?

852
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:50,350
I mean, in the enhanced landscaping plan on the north side and the side.

853
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:57,670
Because there are options for building materials for the bullpen and the trash enclosure.

854
01:02:59,450 --> 01:03:12,670
We're looking at some photos of some of your other locations, and I don't see, sir, one with the Sam can't be right here.

855
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:15,250
It's quite really hard.

856
01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:17,790
Oh, yes.

857
01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:19,690
I guess I can see it sort of.

858
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:20,770
Yeah.

859
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:22,350
Yeah.

860
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:26,130
Yeah, depending on which one we should, geográfic location you're looking at, and

861
01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:30,090
it's all based on Tony code, which project it's used.

862
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:30,610
Okay.

863
01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:41,370
So, the steel siding look is not my favorite, I'll be honest, but Erin, don't we have, yeah,

864
01:03:42,510 --> 01:03:45,050
the city for articulates what they need to, correct.

865
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:45,550
Yep.

866
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:46,430
Build from.

867
01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:51,260
Okay, well you can work with our team right now.

868
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:52,700
Oh yes.

869
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:53,180
Yeah.

870
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,100
Yeah.

871
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:57,540
So I think we'll we'll hot a lot next week.

872
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:04,360
And kind of talk about like Ron said to go back to his client and talk about, you know, comments.

873
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,400
Can we flip it?

874
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:05,900
Can we rotate?

875
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:07,400
How does that impact their operations?

876
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:09,320
And then yeah, we'll work.

877
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:11,840
Because then we plan to submit for the next.

878
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:14,620
The next, the next, the beautiful roadmap thing.

879
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,940
The next phase.

880
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:24,680
I think it was like mid-July to get on for mid-August and then commissioned, so you got

881
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,100
some time?

882
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:26,240
Yeah.

883
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:27,780
It's another question for Ron.

884
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:34,240
Um, some of the market research is seven-day kind of sweet spot for the market or seven-day

885
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:40,460
just based on the life that's available and you just kind of, that's kind of both correct

886
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:45,620
assumptions, meaning the sweet spot, construction costs, and that.

887
01:04:45,620 --> 01:05:11,360
So that's the 7th day right now for us a couple years is kind of what they really like to see, especially, they like some time, you know, for contractors, they're finding, you know, they use the same contractor to save a build 3, you know, 3 different sites, it's just, you know, health administration costs, yeah, sweet spot being a good way to define it.

888
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,460
Okay, is it more curious if you had a bigger life if you'd want to go bigger?

889
01:05:16,140 --> 01:05:16,660
Yeah.

890
01:05:18,140 --> 01:05:19,020
One more question.

891
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:22,080
You have residential across this.

892
01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:27,480
Is the work on the vehicles done with the doors closed?

893
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:36,200
Or we're going to have a noise issue with the air guns doing the lug nuts and all that?

894
01:05:37,420 --> 01:05:37,700
Yeah.

895
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,440
I have some noise.

896
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:47,740
templates but I don't know how I'm ready for this right here but you know the

897
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:51,760
you know the you know the decibel level you got that decent there's a kind of

898
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:59,340
major that highway to these you know mix with that sound and the you know the

899
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:03,860
work that you described there at the building no you know the doors would be

900
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:13,420
Doors usually are closed for young operations, but yeah, you have the comparison that

901
01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:17,080
do you pretty similar, you know, it does a full level sounds.

902
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:24,820
I mean, I will say if there's a, again, go back to work hours, we always said ADM, PIPM

903
01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:31,710
and you know, close on Sundays. So thank you. Thank you very much.

904
01:06:31,710 --> 01:06:38,950
And I have an earring, I have to sound, you know, sound, noise,

905
01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:41,830
these are the things that we can provide.

906
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:42,730
That'd be great.

907
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:47,540
Any other feedback or questions for Ron?

908
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:51,140
Thanks for calling in, Ron.

909
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:51,840
That was super helpful.

910
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:52,640
Thank you.

911
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:55,000
Yeah, thank you for letting me.

912
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,440
We usually like to be a person.

913
01:06:57,820 --> 01:06:59,300
Because we got a lot of three days.

914
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,920
It's been crazy so far.

915
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:02,180
All right.

916
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:03,300
We'll save travels.

917
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:05,120
All right, I appreciate it.

918
01:07:05,140 --> 01:07:05,560
Thank you.

919
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,080
Thanks, all.

920
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:16,670
OK, so the next step is, yes, what is it?

921
01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:17,970
We will all get together.

922
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:18,890
We'll talk about it.

923
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:19,910
We'll talk through some options.

924
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:22,170
No matter what we decide, I'll come back with.

925
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:24,330
I think how we are in a very good point about noise.

926
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:27,030
So to open bay,

927
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:30,610
we'd really check the noise.

928
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:34,870
Anything else for a time?

929
01:07:35,590 --> 01:07:36,430
No, thank you, Tom.

930
01:07:36,810 --> 01:07:37,190
Oh, God.

931
01:07:37,550 --> 01:07:37,710
Eric?

932
01:07:38,350 --> 01:07:40,010
I just got another new guy question.

933
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:41,670
So it's a lot, one, one, one.

934
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:44,350
Is that been zoned by the city?

935
01:07:45,290 --> 01:07:47,330
And where is that just kind of a dimension

936
01:07:47,330 --> 01:07:49,130
on size that came up

937
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:52,570
for you to read?

938
01:07:52,610 --> 01:07:53,850
The size, where is that?

939
01:07:53,850 --> 01:07:57,710
Yeah, like the actual dimension is a layout of the depth

940
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:59,310
and fit in something, the city's determined?

941
01:07:59,870 --> 01:08:04,050
The dimensions and the dimensions and size

942
01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:08,130
of the parsa boundary were kind of driven by a less Schwab.

943
01:08:08,830 --> 01:08:09,210
Yeah.

944
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:10,750
So the city is constraining you too.

945
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:14,950
Right currently, all of that is all part of Outlot A.

946
01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:20,170
Yeah, so Outlot B currently is in an easement.

947
01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:23,590
And so, yeah, the next phase, it's a fair question, right?

948
01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:25,290
Is getting back to you.

949
01:08:25,310 --> 01:08:26,170
When are your questions earlier?

950
01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:29,750
The process, right now there's one big chunk of land,

951
01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:33,130
right now we're kind of asking, let's extend the utilities in the streets

952
01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:35,650
and then carve out a little chunk.

953
01:08:40,270 --> 01:08:40,470
Right.

954
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:46,580
It's like bees out like bees the fact correct that's a pond

955
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:52,170
Colleagues and easement. Yes, and we're gonna convey that with yeah, yeah

956
01:08:52,170 --> 01:09:00,650
To an allot. Yep, hold on one sec go ahead Lincoln. I just real quickly had a question on that road

957
01:09:00,650 --> 01:09:05,200
There's just an in only just a and basing your picture

958
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,980
and driving on any of the things.

959
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,260
So there's two lights right in the middle of the sidewalk.

960
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:12,860
And having experience taking a right on one of those before.

961
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:17,300
And is there space to put nights and just put that stuff on me

962
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:18,260
going to tear it up?

963
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,240
What is there space for like a right game?

964
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:20,800
Turn it only.

965
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,920
I soon sometimes won't be a weird move through that right turn.

966
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:27,620
But yeah, if you're, if you're going to take a right there,

967
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:31,260
and off the camera's over here, they're coming out of the sidewalk.

968
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:32,220
Now I'm stopping.

969
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:33,080
Perfect.

970
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:37,380
Behind the end, everybody's definitely just asking for that kind of right off the highway.

971
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,160
I feel like I've driven through tons of those scenarios for instance.

972
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:47,180
Unless there's a right hand turnway, you can just go a little more space to let the people vibe to the distance.

973
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,320
First, then you're on that alone.

974
01:09:50,940 --> 01:10:00,200
I don't want to see space here without a turn up the rest area there because the first thought is supposedly only two lines there.

975
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,500
And this area is growing like crazy.

976
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:15,900
that's coming right off the highway seems like that's gonna be a convenient load of this area they're going 50 miles an hour yeah yeah yeah I'll take this one so this was

977
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:24,880
set up when we did John think our parkway with Colony this is actually gonna be a turn lane so this is the taper for the turn lane

978
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,760
And this is the stacking distance for the term line right here.

979
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,840
So the entrance is actually going to be like right down here,

980
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,940
like at the end of the right, so this is a,

981
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:38,700
this will be a legitimate county right hand term,

982
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,320
which I'm going to have to turn out of the right through the line.

983
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,900
It'll be a right term line.

984
01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:46,180
Yeah, we can have that line.

985
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:48,060
Yeah, that's true.

986
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:53,180
And the other extension thought, obviously, I think flipping this whole,

987
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:57,820
We'll need to the one I thought maybe they want the sunset to be at the end of their day a little bit.

988
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,480
I was like, that seems odd.

989
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:01,600
That makes a lot of sense.

990
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:02,900
We're working with Latina.

991
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,120
And then you open those doors.

992
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,400
That sounds like a great work in the park.

993
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,820
But in flipping that around,

994
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:12,880
it feels like it ends out to that get complicated.

995
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:15,800
But we're that open as something that probably did really nicely.

996
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,840
If you've been in the Main Street where they have like old town Main Street,

997
01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:23,180
I'm probably can just did a really big new,

998
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:26,580
They put a huge round about there, and then they did all of this.

999
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:28,760
Meetings stuff, what they didn't own, the older buildings.

1000
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:31,280
That quite frankly, it was an eye serving.

1001
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,560
It was like a two-shirt stuff.

1002
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,500
As they had a little hardest to, like,

1003
01:11:34,580 --> 01:11:36,720
a beautiful mural on it, it's just like,

1004
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,740
live them down the street.

1005
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,060
It's, it's, it's, you should, if you're in front of,

1006
01:11:40,340 --> 01:11:41,880
like, you can't live this different, it means street.

1007
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,160
But my thought was that both in area,

1008
01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:45,540
because I'm trying to think like, what else would we put there?

1009
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,780
I would look nicer as if we get to choose.

1010
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:48,200
Right?

1011
01:11:48,340 --> 01:11:51,040
I don't think you're, your comments really well,

1012
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:56,980
nature is like maybe with that whole kind of, is it's combination between, you know,

1013
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:02,260
this client and the city or whoever wants to pay for it, that's gonna go shoot tonight, probably

1014
01:12:02,260 --> 01:12:03,040
will not be in.

1015
01:12:03,260 --> 01:12:08,160
But that whole community, maybe that's like an angle corner area where that whole kind

1016
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,940
of is covered by a really nice stamped concrete or something that then, although card is painted

1017
01:12:13,940 --> 01:12:18,800
really beautiful, you're on, that is probably city, but we're not covering a entire store

1018
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,220
I don't know if I can't be as it is, but again, I'm very like, I'm a little huff and garlic.

1019
01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:27,740
It is like really unified with looking to the downtown city.

1020
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,930
That was a lot of six weeks coming up.

1021
01:12:31,930 --> 01:12:33,890
They still get their voice to put their tires.

1022
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:37,870
Maybe it's been kind of like a really show we never have to see in the pile of new different,

1023
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:39,410
you know, ladies and gentlemen.

1024
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:45,530
You can put your car for crossing sign there or whatever you've made the development.

1025
01:12:46,170 --> 01:12:47,370
And put like, car for comments, yeah.

1026
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:49,110
Whatever business is in there.

1027
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:52,090
or a welcome to cover sign on the back side of it.

1028
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:58,190
Matt, I'm sorry to be a pain,

1029
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:59,310
but can you come up to a microphone?

1030
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:03,420
Matt Kerber, again,

1031
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:04,840
three, six, nine, seven,

1032
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:06,340
three, boy, Chaskin' Minnesota.

1033
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,320
Sometimes just asking,

1034
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:11,160
hey, how about not putting the canopy?

1035
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,240
On this building works.

1036
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:15,940
But so that's,

1037
01:13:15,940 --> 01:13:17,800
because I'm sure they have a lot of designs too,

1038
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:20,180
but also,

1039
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:21,660
I noticed on my way here,

1040
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,800
there's a pond of water right now where that is built.

1041
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,040
is that a wet land, is that getting reclaimed somewhere else

1042
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,060
how is that working?

1043
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,220
The site shouldn't be wet unless it's just rain.

1044
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:37,660
There's quite a pile, or a plate on right there,

1045
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,540
like literally where the building was.

1046
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:42,000
But that exact spot?

1047
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:46,800
It's a low spot, and I know asking the last several months

1048
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,940
our civil engineering team to work through,

1049
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,720
is it, or is it not a wetland?

1050
01:13:50,720 --> 01:14:00,400
And I think there is an email or from our team basically kind of communicate to me it's not technically well on so it might just be some standing water

1051
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:04,040
But given comments a low spot

1052
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:10,240
Not really any place for water and go right now

1053
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,380
It's not going into the earth. It's just saturating

1054
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,570
In a plethora. I think Ron's not on anymore, I don't think but

1055
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:30,070
Ron's team and our civil team as we look through is Aaron said kind of a broader grading plan and figure out how topography goes.

1056
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:34,110
Especially as it relates to the building, the canopy and then the bullpen.

1057
01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:37,210
I think grade will probably come up a little bit.

1058
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:46,870
I think that's one thing we'll look at but I think is you're coming south that might be a little bit more shielded by some of the

1059
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:53,170
the topography of it. So we can kind of maybe see if our teams can figure out what that would look like.

1060
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:59,970
Build it into a hill. Yeah, I think we won't be totally buried, but I think.

1061
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,080
Great, does start to come up. And so one of the things, Les Schwab's, Ron's team left to look at is, is that enclosure acting is somewhat irritating.

1062
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:23,860
Well, anyways, I just don't know that. Yeah. Okay. I was surprised to hear Ron say that it was like they wanted the front of their building to be the back towards the freeway, because I would think you would want it for like visibility to more people.

1063
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:25,840
you would want the front to face.

1064
01:15:25,940 --> 01:15:28,240
He doesn't seem like what I thought what he was saying

1065
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,820
was that he wants a visibility from the road

1066
01:15:30,820 --> 01:15:32,560
that's inside the development.

1067
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,080
So when people drive in, they can see,

1068
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,920
oh, this is where I need to go and get my tires.

1069
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:40,860
I think that's like not somewhere you typically drive

1070
01:15:40,860 --> 01:15:42,660
unless you're purposefully.

1071
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:45,440
Like it's not like a, well, and also like,

1072
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:46,600
you know what, I should stop.

1073
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:48,380
Also, he wants to building like that

1074
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:51,440
because it's easier for the bigots to get angle.

1075
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:52,740
That one makes sense.

1076
01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:59,260
when you was paying for visibility, it feels like if you flipped it, the visibility would increase substantially.

1077
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,760
Well, it's probably counting on signs for that. Maybe.

1078
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,620
We can do that next.

1079
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,140
All right, anybody else have?

1080
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:15,000
Maybe you could put it in the big, sorry one.

1081
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,160
Yes, maybe.

1082
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,740
You have some marching orders there.

1083
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:29,340
Thank you.

1084
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:29,920
You're welcome.

1085
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:30,600
Thanks, Sam.

1086
01:16:31,820 --> 01:16:34,120
Yeah, thanks very much, Tom.

1087
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:37,320
We're going to move on now.

1088
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,900
We're going to move on to the sign ordinance,

1089
01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:41,200
because that is going to be so much fun.

1090
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,020
Do you mind?

1091
01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:44,900
Would it be okay if we did communications and then the sign ordinance

1092
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:47,620
because it's Erin's birthday, and I want him to be able to leave.

1093
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:48,820
No.

1094
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,020
I want no objects.

1095
01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:52,380
Thank you.

1096
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:52,600
Yeah.

1097
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:53,360
Let's do that.

1098
01:16:53,620 --> 01:16:53,780
Okay.

1099
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:55,500
We'll move to communications.

1100
01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:58,960
I have a couple things, and then I suspect some people might have some questions related

1101
01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:59,600
to the flooding.

1102
01:17:01,540 --> 01:17:02,220
Number one.

1103
01:17:02,620 --> 01:17:07,080
Alliance Park Pickleball courts are under construction, hoping to have them open in the next

1104
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,240
couple months, so that whole site looks really different right now.

1105
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:20,200
We finally got our DNR grant agreement back for Creekside Park, so we're bringing plans and specs through time you can leave too, you don't have to stay if you don't want to.

1106
01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:33,280
Okay, we're working on plans and specs for Creekside Park, which is the new dog park pickable at the corner of JCP and corner of 40.

1107
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:35,460
Wait, did you say dog park and pickable?

1108
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:36,320
Yeah.

1109
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:36,960
Oh my goodness.

1110
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:37,620
No no.

1111
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:38,820
The grants for both now.

1112
01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:40,220
The grant covers both, yes.

1113
01:17:40,820 --> 01:17:41,080
Yep.

1114
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:42,180
Wow.

1115
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:43,360
That's great.

1116
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,620
Yeah. Yeah. Creek side. Yeah. Okay.

1117
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,340
$350,000. We got that grant from the DNR. Wow, this is so fun.

1118
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,280
Because you all know about it. But this is like a replay of joy.

1119
01:17:56,220 --> 01:18:01,840
At the July 18th, planning commission meeting, I'm anticipating a large industrial user with

1120
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,020
United Properties, not Tom, but one of his partners that doesn't industrial work.

1121
01:18:06,340 --> 01:18:11,040
Are they proposing roughly 300,000 square feet of an industrial user in your fleet farm?

1122
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,300
It's huge. Yeah, so the property will need to be annexed in the city. We'll do several reviews.

1123
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,620
Any A, W, will be required in environmental assessment or cheat based on the size.

1124
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:26,980
The Wickenhouser piece, which is the long stretch along 11 north of fleet farm, north east,

1125
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:32,040
will be before the council for annexation on July 1st.

1126
01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:33,840
What's on that?

1127
01:18:34,420 --> 01:18:34,800
Yeah.

1128
01:18:38,940 --> 01:18:42,160
It's the North, North, North, North, North, North, East, the flee farm?

1129
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,020
Oh, oh, no, I see.

1130
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:46,140
Oh, no, I see.

1131
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:46,380
I see.

1132
01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:47,380
I see.

1133
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,340
Oh, no, flee farm, flee farm is my main state, the final.

1134
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:58,760
So that property, the school district is working potentially in our transportation facility

1135
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,100
on roughly 20 acres leaving about 60 for development on the Wicked Hazard piece.

1136
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:06,740
I'm town bank right now is targeting an august 9th opening.

1137
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:10,340
I'm sorry, what did you just say?

1138
01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:10,820
I'm town.

1139
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,380
I'm town's opening one.

1140
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,800
Hopefully, august 9th.

1141
01:19:15,660 --> 01:19:17,840
Did you get tangled up in the wick and hazard?

1142
01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:19,420
Yeah.

1143
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,440
Once I said it, it made sense of it.

1144
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,920
It needs to be annexed and zoned and it's not zoned yet.

1145
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:24,320
Correct.

1146
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:25,580
You got that.

1147
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,560
And then Carver Oaks, which is the last CDA project.

1148
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,300
They're 43 senior specific.

1149
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:35,040
near-cover comments and cover place is in for preliminary

1150
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,120
a plot review so I'll anticipate probably a late summer early fall

1151
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,480
review of preliminary a plot by this group. Okay the birthday boy if you have

1152
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:48,740
questions about flooding related to Main Street or community feel free

1153
01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:49,940
but what I'm not.

1154
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:58,260
She has given up date yeah okay so obviously is everybody

1155
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:03,460
knows the river's coming up pretty quickly with all this rain so we have a

1156
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:08,200
a really nice team of established here at the city at a staff level, so it includes Brent

1157
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:15,160
Merrick, Allsholts, Eric Menth, Kelly Trimbo, and myself, and we're in pretty much

1158
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:20,240
consequence of communication with each other on multiple times a day, and we have a nice

1159
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:28,280
plan and place right now, today as many of you know, Main Street Bridge is closed, so it may

1160
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:33,100
not look like it right now that the water is not very close to the bridge level, but with

1161
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:39,400
current projections that the National Weather Service is forecasting for next week, that

1162
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,380
main street bridge could potentially be underwater by middle of next week.

1163
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:48,340
So we are monitoring that on a daily basis.

1164
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:55,280
We have an action plan in place just for some perspective, the river gauge in Jordan, which

1165
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,200
is what we monitor.

1166
01:20:57,140 --> 01:21:00,800
That's at about 26.7 feet right now.

1167
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:06,160
And they're projecting a crest right now of 32.8 feet.

1168
01:21:07,420 --> 01:21:11,240
So for some perspective, that's about a 50-year flood elevation,

1169
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,140
which is that 32.85.

1170
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,620
The 100-year flood is a 34.85.

1171
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,760
So that would still be about 2 feet below the 100-year flood

1172
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,960
and just over 2 feet below the 1965 flood.

1173
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,380
So it's definitely a serious flooding issue,

1174
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,440
but I think we have a good plan in place.

1175
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,640
We have a nice kind of procedure spreadsheet

1176
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,620
with when we hit this elevation,

1177
01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:40,040
we have to do this, you know,

1178
01:21:40,220 --> 01:21:41,520
and we just kind of step through it.

1179
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:43,800
Are we going to have any levy patrols?

1180
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,380
That's a good question.

1181
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,820
We haven't had to do that yet,

1182
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:49,980
but if it gets high enough,

1183
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:52,140
we might have to think about doing that.

1184
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,000
So, I'm family, you call me.

1185
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,620
How are the businesses affected in that area or homes?

1186
01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:11,720
So, no business access is closed off directly, but obviously the inconvenience that

1187
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:17,180
having mainstream closed, that is unfortunate, but we have detour signs, so the detour

1188
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:23,660
is forced street to Jordan since, so basically you just have to get around that piece of the

1189
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:23,960
mainstream.

1190
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:32,240
So we have covered business alliance tomorrow. So we invite all small businesses in Carver to come have our own table with staff in the mayor

1191
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:38,260
So we'll give the same update and probably look for some feedback from them if we can help what they're seeing hearing etc

1192
01:22:38,260 --> 01:22:44,050
But none of them have said they have water in places. They don't want water. Not that we've heard yet

1193
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:48,480
Awesome

1194
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:52,960
Yeah, so

1195
01:22:57,420 --> 01:23:05,400
Yeah, so the national weather forecast projections, it does use that to calculate in it, but

1196
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:10,140
you know, if we get another interrain than what we're having in the forecast now, it's

1197
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:11,080
going to change, obviously.

1198
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:17,140
So we've seen this, the projection fluctuate upwards of two feet just in the last couple

1199
01:23:17,140 --> 01:23:22,700
of days, just up and down, so it's constantly being recalculated, anyone could look at this.

1200
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:27,680
If you go to the National Weather Service web page, and there's a link called River

1201
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:28,340
Forecast.

1202
01:23:28,820 --> 01:23:31,220
And you can just click on the gauge for Jordan Minnesota.

1203
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:32,700
You can watch it.

1204
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:37,280
They have a nice graph and shows exactly what they're projecting for the next 14 days.

1205
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,920
So it's really nice and rain.

1206
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:43,400
That's a lot of rain.

1207
01:23:44,180 --> 01:23:44,460
Yeah.

1208
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,780
Because if it rains here, it's basically through the system.

1209
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:52,040
It's everything that's upstream of us that's going to take while to get here.

1210
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:57,420
That's why it's not going to it's not projected to crescent till the 26th of June right now

1211
01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:58,320
So

1212
01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:01,770
so

1213
01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:04,320
We shouldn't plan on a canoe trip

1214
01:24:06,970 --> 01:24:10,810
It's not rapid to be a lot of flow. So

1215
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:13,270
Any other questions?

1216
01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:15,090
Thank you very much, Erin

1217
01:24:17,780 --> 01:24:20,260
There's no more water. Um, well

1218
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,970
Yeah, good point, but it's it's gonna be

1219
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:31,910
Okay, if it doesn't crest until the 26, I could see it going another week after that.

1220
01:24:32,170 --> 01:24:41,130
We'll have to see, we'll just have to keep watching it, but we can't really take it down until we feel it's safe to let it go.

1221
01:24:41,630 --> 01:24:43,650
Is that the same bridge they're doing work on?

1222
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:45,810
No, that's at the third street.

1223
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:52,370
So that's one bridge up from third, or one bridge down the street of third.

1224
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:53,790
So when do we run out of bridges?

1225
01:24:55,670 --> 01:24:57,790
So very good point.

1226
01:24:58,810 --> 01:25:04,550
So the third street bridge would be at an elevation of about 34 feet.

1227
01:25:05,290 --> 01:25:08,210
So we could potentially have to close the third street bridge

1228
01:25:08,210 --> 01:25:10,790
if these projections would change.

1229
01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:14,610
But we're just not to sit tight and see what happens.

1230
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:19,570
What was the last time we closed the bridge?

1231
01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:22,870
It's been like, year 2014, I believe.

1232
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:29,130
long time was Paul said we had to do that back in the late 90s and early

1233
01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:34,970
odds. It seemed like we were close in Bridget all the time. Paul said he's I

1234
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:39,510
mean he did this today and he's yeah I have to do this quite a few times so

1235
01:25:40,050 --> 01:25:43,990
we got really to worry about it but we got really good media coverage today so

1236
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:48,470
the mayor did a great job talking about our certified levee project in conjunction

1237
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:52,130
with the flooding so I suspect if you watch the news read the news tomorrow

1238
01:25:52,130 --> 01:26:01,570
probably see some car for in full there. And I heard that we've closed Main Street East.

1239
01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:04,810
Yeah, probably.

1240
01:26:06,940 --> 01:26:12,470
They get only one way, which is out the other way or they close, we have the fence close for the park.

1241
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,230
Oh, yeah, I understand the park. Yeah, that is close too.

1242
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:19,840
Okay. Any other questions for you, Erin?

1243
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,300
And we'll have a very happy review.

1244
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:21,900
Happy review.

1245
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:23,460
Appreciate that.

1246
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:24,680
No.

1247
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:26,780
Not one is being recorded.

1248
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:28,080
That could not.

1249
01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:30,580
That could not.

1250
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:30,840
Yeah.

1251
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:36,730
Yeah.

1252
01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:37,490
Yeah.

1253
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:37,950
Yeah.

1254
01:26:37,950 --> 01:26:38,370
So the main.

1255
01:26:38,370 --> 01:26:38,850
Yeah.

1256
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:39,670
Good question.

1257
01:26:40,010 --> 01:26:41,230
So the main river levy.

1258
01:26:42,010 --> 01:26:45,570
That's all above the 100 year blood elevation.

1259
01:26:46,230 --> 01:26:50,870
So like I said, like about 35 is what the 100 year is.

1260
01:26:50,870 --> 01:27:02,710
So we're good to above the 100 year by I think it's like a foot or two. It's not a lot, but we do have some freeboard on the main

1261
01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:15,910
room or lobby over the 100 year flood. It would have to be well I wish I had that graph. I think I have it.

1262
01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:22,400
I recall I should back 38 feet but I don't know why.

1263
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:30,350
It was a long time ago.

1264
01:27:31,230 --> 01:27:35,890
And actually the the the the the where it wasn't that the water would come over.

1265
01:27:36,230 --> 01:27:38,070
It was it's that it would go through it.

1266
01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:38,890
It's going to bring it.

1267
01:27:38,890 --> 01:27:44,370
This is slow stability because you get water that starts to travel through it.

1268
01:27:44,590 --> 01:27:49,070
And then you start losing soil and then it just can cast rapidly.

1269
01:27:49,750 --> 01:28:00,310
So I think the Spring Creek system isn't quite as robust as from a height perspective, so

1270
01:28:00,310 --> 01:28:05,290
you know, there could be some temporary fill needed at some point, but the main river

1271
01:28:05,290 --> 01:28:07,530
levy is north of the hundred years.

1272
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,540
All right, let's let Aaron go.

1273
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:12,020
Go now.

1274
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:13,120
Okay, thank you.

1275
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:14,100
Any other questions?

1276
01:28:14,660 --> 01:28:14,920
No, no, no.

1277
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:15,660
Don't ask me about that.

1278
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:16,360
Okay.

1279
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:17,300
Thanks a lot.

1280
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:18,900
Good night.

1281
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:19,560
Good night.

1282
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,140
Good night.

1283
01:28:21,140 --> 01:28:21,560
All right.

1284
01:28:21,700 --> 01:28:23,180
So we move on to the sign ordinance.

1285
01:28:23,660 --> 01:28:24,500
Let's do it.

1286
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,020
This is just the overview.

1287
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:27,260
Not the whole.

1288
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:29,940
It's a lot.

1289
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:31,000
It is a lot.

1290
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:32,220
All righty.

1291
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:38,860
So the city council has been having a really robust conversation related to the sign ordinance.

1292
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:40,120
Eric can probably a test.

1293
01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:42,160
A lot of times we've talked about it.

1294
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:47,260
One of the big things that we've been focusing on quite a bit as temporary signage.

1295
01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:50,300
So it's the pesky signs that are the squeegee squad

1296
01:28:51,060 --> 01:28:54,040
and hang your Christmas lights and three puppies

1297
01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:57,780
that pop up all our community, how we handle them,

1298
01:28:57,780 --> 01:28:59,780
how to play fair across the board

1299
01:28:59,780 --> 01:29:00,760
for the entire group.

1300
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,060
So we'll talk through a bunch of that information

1301
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:04,680
and then we'll go through the text.

1302
01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:06,520
Also, the city attorney put this together,

1303
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,280
that's why it's formatted so beautifully,

1304
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:11,740
don't anticipate that to happen ever again.

1305
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,380
So the section, the sign section,

1306
01:29:15,380 --> 01:29:18,860
within the zoning ordinance which is why the planning commission is tasked with this

1307
01:29:18,860 --> 01:29:23,160
review. Tonight we'll be looking for some planning commission feedback and then in the

1308
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,560
out of future date we'll do a public hearing since it's part of the zoning code and we'll

1309
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,880
be an update to that. So the night is just discussion, get your feet wet, ask some questions.

1310
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,840
So like I mentioned before, the most robust section was about temporary signs.

1311
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:43,740
So this is directly from our current sign code and it was for a carver of yesterday year I think.

1312
01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:48,880
So it was really focused at the occasional shops.

1313
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:50,460
So when the store is downtown,

1314
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,020
it would be open one weekend a month.

1315
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:53,720
They were able to provide signage.

1316
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,240
So that's where the signage shall be permitted

1317
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,960
during beginning at 6am wins.

1318
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,980
Today, through 9 p.m. Sunday, it was really targeted at that occasional group.

1319
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:14,380
The blanket of downtown has changed since then. Obviously, there are a lot of businesses that are open, a more traditional schedule, so this feels antiquated and outdated.

1320
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:21,600
So, thinking about revising that to allow signage for businesses that are open all of the time.

1321
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:29,340
Something that we start with quite a bit is number 5, which is temporary science must receive permission from the underlying property owner.

1322
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:40,300
So we see a lot of signs pop up on city property and they don't get our permission. Obviously because our current code does not allow for temporary signs unless you have that permission

1323
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:47,680
Which they typically don't we also run into this occasionally downtown where where a business owner wants to put an additional sign on the sidewalk

1324
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:55,240
In front of someone else's business. So if you think about like the corner of the ice cream shop is there's that nice big bump out

1325
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,580
To put a sign there, you need to have the underlying property owner's permission,

1326
01:30:59,180 --> 01:31:01,740
since it's part of the right of where the area they need to maintain.

1327
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,340
So that was also a little bit of a snag that we hit last summer. So thinking about temporary

1328
01:31:06,980 --> 01:31:10,320
signs and then the permission from the underlying property owner.

1329
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:12,400
Some examples of the...

1330
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:18,200
When you say underlying property, so the property that's adjacent to the side.

1331
01:31:18,420 --> 01:31:19,340
Correct, yes.

1332
01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:24,300
Some temporary signs that we see, this is where it gets really tricky, is that some of them are

1333
01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:28,240
community and we want these events to keep happening and we want people to go to them.

1334
01:31:29,460 --> 01:31:34,120
So fish rise. Great, but it gets a little bit tricky when it's businesses that don't

1335
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:40,000
exist in Carver and aren't community related events. So right now my team, the building inspector

1336
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:45,380
and the building official are tasked with removal of temporary signs. They hit the community

1337
01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:49,720
roughly once a week or whatever they're out on inspection. And if it's on city property,

1338
01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:53,640
they pull them. We then hold them at city hall for a little while and get someone wants to

1339
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:58,900
give us a call to say oh my sign back otherwise we get rid of them and that can be a little bit

1340
01:31:58,900 --> 01:32:05,020
tricky playing fair across the board thinking about community groups community events that might

1341
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:09,880
be happening versus someone who spent a whole Sunday putting out signs for a different

1342
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:15,400
business okay you're not going to take down that kindergarten sign area what's the kindergarten sign

1343
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,180
the right-hand side. The sun? Yep. Was it safe?

1344
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,760
It says I'm going to be a proud kindergarten next year ahead.

1345
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:23,620
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1346
01:32:23,620 --> 01:32:26,140
They have the underlying property owners permission.

1347
01:32:27,660 --> 01:32:28,740
So science can't be with them.

1348
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,600
It means it's issued by the school district.

1349
01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:32,960
Science can't be within the public right of way.

1350
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:35,120
So if someone wanted to bump that into their property,

1351
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,480
I'd have no problem with that.

1352
01:32:37,660 --> 01:32:40,840
But if it's in the public right of way, we typically will grab them.

1353
01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:42,520
So like the fish fry one.

1354
01:32:44,260 --> 01:32:46,460
There's a property owner kind of on that corner.

1355
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:48,100
This is in public right of way.

1356
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,720
How do you know that though?

1357
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:53,340
Because I took these photos and I was on this property there.

1358
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:58,620
So this is the cover sign is right over to this side of it, so it's up by sleep farm.

1359
01:32:59,300 --> 01:33:03,220
And the city maintains right of way on every street beyond just the road.

1360
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:07,650
10 feet typically.

1361
01:33:07,650 --> 01:33:16,610
Typically, yes, yep, the problem is, you know, I know we've gone through this before we're

1362
01:33:18,170 --> 01:33:22,830
Jazz because it has a sign ordinance and they don't want us signs on for like speed won't be.

1363
01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:30,530
That is a big one, so we reached out to business owners in the community and some community groups just to get feedback.

1364
01:33:30,690 --> 01:33:34,930
So the people who are putting the signs out, we asked, what's going on, how can we be helpful?

1365
01:33:34,930 --> 01:33:39,170
would make this easier for you. A lot of people came back to us and said they didn't realize

1366
01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:42,830
that there was a formal sign ordinance, so they didn't realize they were breaking any rules,

1367
01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:48,770
so it was a little bit of an education piece. They also have some questions about enforcement,

1368
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:56,170
the next bullet plays into that, so fair treatment across groups. So the city puts up signs like

1369
01:33:56,170 --> 01:34:01,650
historically we've put up signs for the farmers market or the fire department puts up signs for

1370
01:34:01,650 --> 01:34:06,810
open house or the alliance for a pancake breakfast or steamboat days, we typically will leave

1371
01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:11,210
those signs for a little bit but we'll pull other people's signs and that was tough. It's hard

1372
01:34:11,210 --> 01:34:16,710
to grapple with that a little bit to say leave that sign because it's steamboat days and we're

1373
01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:21,930
on steamboat days but take the squeegee squad because they're not a local carver business. So trying

1374
01:34:21,930 --> 01:34:27,890
to figure out what that looks like. We also had a couple requests from community groups to allow

1375
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:37,350
permitting of signs within parks. So one of them, in example, is the CCYBSA or the baseball organization wanted to be able to put tri-out signs in community park.

1376
01:34:37,790 --> 01:34:44,030
The city owns that property, so you can't put signs on city property without permission. Our code doesn't allow you to have permission.

1377
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:52,930
So got kind of tricky, and they're a great community group. We want to help support them, but then we're not adhering to our ordinance if we're allowing them to have signs.

1378
01:34:53,950 --> 01:34:58,090
We also heard that people wanted us to allow signs in the right of way of not

1379
01:34:58,090 --> 01:35:02,530
detrimental to traffic, but that's tricky to make a call, what's detrimental to

1380
01:35:02,530 --> 01:35:06,370
traffic, what's not, and then to consider the bumpouts throughout downtown.

1381
01:35:06,970 --> 01:35:11,410
So those of you that have lived in Harbor for a while, broadways, bumpouts, increase

1382
01:35:11,410 --> 01:35:15,570
significantly, giving the property owners on the corner significantly more space than

1383
01:35:15,570 --> 01:35:16,450
other business owners.

1384
01:35:17,050 --> 01:35:20,850
So a couple of business owners not on those bumpouts asked us to consider those areas.

1385
01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:24,970
What would it look like if there was some free space that would allow some additional advertisement?

1386
01:35:26,050 --> 01:35:31,310
So those are the big pieces that's how we got to where we are right now. I'm going to pull up the

1387
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:38,190
Ordinance version so we can look at it together again crystal. I know you're going to love the formatting and I will never be able to do this

1388
01:35:38,190 --> 01:35:39,870
I'm not surprised

1389
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:43,990
Any changes? I know it's because our city attorney put it together

1390
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:48,630
Okay, so if we want to start just moving through the Ordinance we can talk through

1391
01:35:48,630 --> 01:35:56,290
different sections Eric if you want to be part of the discussion feel free since the city council is so involved how we got to where we are right now

1392
01:35:56,290 --> 01:35:59,590
So I'm gonna pass it to you all for discussion in comments

1393
01:36:01,670 --> 01:36:03,030
It's have a question

1394
01:36:05,090 --> 01:36:09,830
Separate to the planning commission. I was involved in the

1395
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:12,110
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what did whatever

1396
01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:19,530
get ways, get way to curve project. And we talked about in the various intersections, those bumpouts,

1397
01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:27,770
what occur. So, isn't fair to say that the bumpouts we have today will probably multiply. Yes,

1398
01:36:28,150 --> 01:36:35,030
as we continue. So I just wanted that line of sight that we have a few bumpouts, but we will probably

1399
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:41,990
we have a lot more bump-outs on the intersections here of Main Street. So it's probably

1400
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:47,070
limited issue now, but it will be bigger. And the city main teams, those? Or who main

1401
01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:52,510
teams? No, the property owner. So we allow signs there. The property owner has to deal with

1402
01:36:52,510 --> 01:36:59,490
taking them down and putting them back. Yep. It's tricky, isn't that? I would not allow that.

1403
01:36:59,490 --> 01:37:01,830
Yes, that's your sign.

1404
01:37:02,190 --> 01:37:02,530
Yeah.

1405
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:03,550
Enough flow of sign.

1406
01:37:03,810 --> 01:37:05,090
Do you want to join us at the Microsoft?

1407
01:37:06,290 --> 01:37:07,390
That's a property owner.

1408
01:37:08,170 --> 01:37:09,510
We'll only allow their sign.

1409
01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:10,390
It's not correct.

1410
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:11,730
Oh yeah.

1411
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:12,250
Okay.

1412
01:37:12,670 --> 01:37:13,990
Got it.

1413
01:37:14,030 --> 01:37:14,130
Yeah.

1414
01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:15,250
That makes sense.

1415
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:19,050
Just for the context, that's we don't know what's in the journey here.

1416
01:37:19,670 --> 01:37:22,590
We did have our city attorney president for these discussions.

1417
01:37:23,630 --> 01:37:29,270
And he had to constantly remind us that it really comes down to all or not.

1418
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:37,950
and that isn't check-in, so while we want, we would like to give access to baseball or

1419
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:43,970
the law hands, or somebody who think is community centric, putting their signs up, we also

1420
01:37:43,970 --> 01:37:50,250
don't want Aryan nation, picked it, sign it, let's put it around the time, and how you can control that.

1421
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:57,750
Some of the station was, can we regulate through these structures?

1422
01:37:59,370 --> 01:38:01,590
You have to come to the city hall.

1423
01:38:01,890 --> 01:38:06,710
You have to pay a registration for ex-number of science,

1424
01:38:06,990 --> 01:38:11,250
for the best that gives us the ability to put that back,

1425
01:38:12,970 --> 01:38:13,090
and

1426
01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:17,900
have some kind of...

1427
01:38:19,540 --> 01:38:21,980
Not one was a nominal fee structure.

1428
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,360
There was a nominal fee structure.

1429
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:29,140
It's not designed to really prohibit you from having fees in place, but it was self-pullies

1430
01:38:29,140 --> 01:38:30,260
in some respect.

1431
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:35,820
But even the vast majority of people probably wouldn't take the action to go to City Hall

1432
01:38:35,820 --> 01:38:39,540
to pay it without a set of temporary signs.

1433
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:45,300
But the problem, the other problem was what is put in one sign.

1434
01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:47,340
can't really regulate it,

1435
01:38:49,450 --> 01:38:51,110
because it's free speech.

1436
01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:56,450
Once you can do that, it's a back and forth of all of them.

1437
01:38:56,990 --> 01:39:00,930
That was why it was such an awful discussion.

1438
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:08,070
I think what you're presenting today is got some control language that's added.

1439
01:39:08,190 --> 01:39:08,530
Correct.

1440
01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:12,730
But those were the things we socialized already.

1441
01:39:12,730 --> 01:39:26,360
And we do this, can we manage it through licensing, and I think where we landed, but the day is about this, the double under one month.

1442
01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:27,840
This is, isn't it?

1443
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:32,120
So...

1444
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:32,600
Okay.

1445
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:33,700
Listen.

1446
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:35,200
Yeah, right there.

1447
01:39:40,670 --> 01:39:41,430
Yes, there is.

1448
01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:45,110
There's the policy version of it, too.

1449
01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:49,310
No, that was the last page.

1450
01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:52,020
Oh, I see.

1451
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:02,900
That's the, we went through back and forth all of this.

1452
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,920
I had a hard time with one because the entire section about what temporary is was removed.

1453
01:40:18,220 --> 01:40:19,760
And nothing else was put back in.

1454
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:21,400
Like, what is the definition of temporary?

1455
01:40:21,900 --> 01:40:25,820
So that will likely fall in the definition section of the cone.

1456
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:27,640
So that's why it was removed here.

1457
01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:29,880
But we had a long discussion about that

1458
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,380
at the city council level too.

1459
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:33,640
What makes something temporary

1460
01:40:34,340 --> 01:40:36,820
is that the material of the sign?

1461
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,140
So we had a robust discussion about that too.

1462
01:40:44,270 --> 01:40:46,590
What about sign design in the historic district?

1463
01:40:48,230 --> 01:40:49,630
And here's somewhere.

1464
01:40:49,970 --> 01:40:53,010
So any sign that is permanently installed

1465
01:40:53,010 --> 01:40:55,930
gets reviewed by the HPC and against the design guidelines.

1466
01:40:56,530 --> 01:40:59,050
But like the A frame signs that are proposed here

1467
01:40:59,050 --> 01:41:01,770
temporary signs don't require that same approval.

1468
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,740
I read through this whole thing and this is an

1469
01:41:10,740 --> 01:41:19,620
even whole sign order. Just part of it and I think myself. How much time do we spend on saying,

1470
01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:26,300
you know, when you can have a sign, how big it is, it just seems like a lot of verbiage for that.

1471
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:32,940
And that is good feedback. Dave, our city attorney, wrote it. So if we want to go through and strip

1472
01:41:32,940 --> 01:41:39,480
some of his for a bitch out of it that is absolutely something we can do to try to make it

1473
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:47,700
more readable at just average jail like this is most of what you sent us, you know, except for

1474
01:41:47,700 --> 01:41:56,600
the underlying new stuff was already in our inheritance that's in our code. Yep, seems like a lot.

1475
01:41:56,860 --> 01:42:01,440
If you're never done where because one of the some of the feedback you got was like they didn't know it was

1476
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:06,640
or if they pull out to the city page and look at this,

1477
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:07,900
they're probably not gonna read it,

1478
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:08,280
like, really.

1479
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:12,320
So is there the ability to add like a summary section?

1480
01:42:12,860 --> 01:42:14,080
Like, hey, this is what's in there.

1481
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:15,080
You could be temporary.

1482
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,580
You can use these materials if you want more details,

1483
01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:19,180
like go to this section.

1484
01:42:19,540 --> 01:42:22,960
Yeah, I'd say probably not in our city code

1485
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,420
because it has to get codified.

1486
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,760
It's our legal document, but we could make something,

1487
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,720
the wonderful day that we're done with this whole process,

1488
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,000
Maybe there's a section on our website that says do you have questions about

1489
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,340
Temporary science click here and it can be a short

1490
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:42,480
Version of it and if you have more questions here's the version of the city code. That's definitely something we could put together

1491
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:47,760
And does this align? I know you said Chaska has like basically like

1492
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:54,580
tighter restrictions. It sounds like right is that you had said? No, I think Jim was is commenting that

1493
01:42:54,580 --> 01:43:02,240
that Carver folk put symbol day signs in Chaska, which frustrates them, which I understand

1494
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:07,120
like their fish fry sign frustrated us. So I'd say it's not a comparison to either

1495
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:13,820
I'd say it's equal. But is this pretty like on par with what other cities around us are

1496
01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:20,260
doing? Yes. So we reached out to like our pier cities that we consider, so

1497
01:43:20,260 --> 01:43:27,040
of Victoria, Chaska, Jordan, etc. No one, the consequences of talking about it. No one had

1498
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:32,420
to sell her bullet to say this is what we do and it works well. So, related to temporary

1499
01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:37,040
signage specifically, because it's tricky that you want some of it. Some signs but not others,

1500
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,540
but it's all or nothing. You have to go anywhere the other.

1501
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,240
So, we've been found anyone who has,

1502
01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:53,360
it's not going to be perfect, but it at least gives us the ability to allow some temporary signage

1503
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,620
on city property if someone gets a permit.

1504
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:56,920
OK, I have a question.

1505
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,660
Number five, signs allowed without a permit.

1506
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:09,340
So five, and then B2, environmental traffic,

1507
01:44:09,460 --> 01:44:12,020
control devices, do not contain commercial messages,

1508
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,040
provided that the signs shall not be larger than four feet square.

1509
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,660
The maximum height of the signs shall not exceed.

1510
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,540
The placement of the directional bubble, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1511
01:44:21,540 --> 01:44:26,600
What kind of sign are we looking at? Is this? Can you tell me what page you're on on page three?

1512
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:31,580
two right there section two five

1513
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,180
B yeah, F2

1514
01:44:37,980 --> 01:44:44,380
On the sign nine governmental traffic control devices that do not yes

1515
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:52,940
Sign shall be exempt from the permanent permanent subdivision three so think about a commercial or an industrial user that might have an arrow

1516
01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:59,980
that says loading dock this way. Okay. Or Mokamunki is going to have quite a few to get to your

1517
01:45:01,860 --> 01:45:03,080
That's not temporary.

1518
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:05,920
Correct.

1519
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:07,300
You like steak in the ground?

1520
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:09,900
Yeah.

1521
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:12,680
It don't think this section is about temporary signage,

1522
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:17,430
though.

1523
01:45:18,130 --> 01:45:18,970
No, no, that's not.

1524
01:45:18,970 --> 01:45:20,570
Signs allowed without a permit.

1525
01:45:20,890 --> 01:45:22,950
Yeah. Signs allowed without a permit.

1526
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:27,230
But wouldn't those be a part of their site development plan?

1527
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:29,290
Yep. So they'd be covered there.

1528
01:45:32,510 --> 01:45:36,510
So would it be like if somebody's having a construction project on, they could have like

1529
01:45:36,510 --> 01:45:40,770
that would be temporary, that would route traffic to where that is.

1530
01:45:40,970 --> 01:45:41,210
This is E.

1531
01:45:41,470 --> 01:45:42,270
These aren't temporary.

1532
01:45:42,750 --> 01:45:46,990
So it'll be Malcolmunky saying drive through this way or when they paint on the concrete,

1533
01:45:47,150 --> 01:45:48,390
like the drive through a virus.

1534
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:58,250
So I may have been an over-achiever,

1535
01:45:58,410 --> 01:46:00,790
but I listened to the work sessions.

1536
01:46:01,670 --> 01:46:02,410
True, definitely.

1537
01:46:03,070 --> 01:46:08,970
It was an interesting conversation.

1538
01:46:08,970 --> 01:46:15,490
conversation, let's say at the least, and I can't even imagine how painful it was.

1539
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:18,090
I have those conversations.

1540
01:46:18,290 --> 01:46:19,890
They often say that about these meetings.

1541
01:46:20,050 --> 01:46:21,050
They'll make fun of us.

1542
01:46:23,070 --> 01:46:29,050
I read the material that the city council was provided in the work session, and then I listened to

1543
01:46:29,050 --> 01:46:29,850
the work session.

1544
01:46:30,030 --> 01:46:32,310
I listened to both March and April.

1545
01:46:32,730 --> 01:46:35,970
I feel like this is where...

1546
01:46:35,970 --> 01:46:40,070
This is a good, I think this is a good spot on where it landed.

1547
01:46:44,010 --> 01:46:51,510
And I'm glad you brought up the legal aspects of this, because you can't decipher the content of the sign.

1548
01:46:52,210 --> 01:46:53,290
It's free speech.

1549
01:46:54,430 --> 01:46:59,950
So it really comes down to, are we going to have a sign or not?

1550
01:47:00,310 --> 01:47:01,430
Will we allow this answer not?

1551
01:47:01,430 --> 01:47:06,570
Well, it's kind of interesting though when you say it's free speech. So are we going to allow

1552
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:08,930
science that use vulgar language?

1553
01:47:10,530 --> 01:47:17,270
We have to. Yes, the growth. Wow. Yeah, that's and that's the exact debate that occurred.

1554
01:47:18,930 --> 01:47:24,210
So did you got a little bit? It's just a period. Yeah, Dave got a little squirmy, but the way I was

1555
01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:30,410
taught in my graduate program is that you can police the material but not the message. So you can say

1556
01:47:30,410 --> 01:47:34,790
the sign has to be this material in the size, but you can't say, you're

1557
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:35,950
sign can't say that.

1558
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:37,930
So you find the loophole in it.

1559
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:42,950
You can, yeah, it's like the bell plane, the war memorial, that went up the,

1560
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:44,810
and then there was a cross that was erected.

1561
01:47:45,090 --> 01:47:47,910
There are some really hot cases about signage.

1562
01:47:48,270 --> 01:47:48,910
Mm-hmm.

1563
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:51,390
One other point to consider

1564
01:47:54,110 --> 01:48:00,690
is that this, if we find that we have signs all over the

1565
01:48:00,690 --> 01:48:07,290
as we run them up. We can give that and we can change this. This is to give us the flexibility

1566
01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:14,390
and allow for some different percentage. And if we're wrong in our approach, we need to change this.

1567
01:48:16,170 --> 01:48:20,990
I feel like what we're going to find is that nothing changes because most people don't know

1568
01:48:20,990 --> 01:48:27,630
exist today. Yeah. Like there will definitely be a time. I feel like when inappropriate signs will

1569
01:48:27,630 --> 01:48:33,590
up and it gets publicity and then it could go a month but for the most part I didn't even know

1570
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:38,450
this existed. So like most people are just going to keep doing what they want to do and

1571
01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:43,050
part of it. Part of it selfishly is for staff just to give us some clear guidelines of what

1572
01:48:43,050 --> 01:48:47,730
to do because we'll get calls sometimes to say hey I had all those signs up what happened

1573
01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:52,410
to them and we have to say we pulled them it you were in violation of our sign code or at least

1574
01:48:52,410 --> 01:48:56,710
now we can say you can apply for a permit if you want to have some temporary signs it gives

1575
01:48:56,710 --> 01:49:01,550
that you know option to continue the conversation because it's been hard like we've had some

1576
01:49:01,550 --> 01:49:06,610
tough conversations with community groups to say I put those signs out yesterday why did you

1577
01:49:06,610 --> 01:49:11,530
pull him today and it's like it was just in our cycle that's how it happened like it wasn't about

1578
01:49:11,530 --> 01:49:17,250
you specifically but what did we talk about garage sales signs not at Steam both days with

1579
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:22,470
doing needs signs team both days right but so like if somebody's having a three day garage still

1580
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:26,450
And they just stick one on the corner, so you turned, come down the road to see you.

1581
01:49:26,450 --> 01:49:29,530
Technically, no, do they happen over the weekend?

1582
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:33,550
Yes, are the inspectors pretty busy that they can't be out there all the time?

1583
01:49:34,090 --> 01:49:34,550
Yes, yes.

1584
01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:35,330
Okay, good.

1585
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:40,350
I'm thinking more like, parade home signs that are longer, like, multiple weekends in our all.

1586
01:49:41,610 --> 01:49:47,470
We have the ability to take those unless they got to permit, which we could talk to the parade folk and say,

1587
01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:49,830
Make an application.

1588
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:58,010
So you can have a political sign in your yard, but not in a city right away.

1589
01:49:58,330 --> 01:50:04,410
Correct, so if it's typically people but them in their yard, so you can have it in your windows

1590
01:50:04,410 --> 01:50:07,430
as long as it doesn't take up more than 50% of the area in the window.

1591
01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:08,610
You are correct.

1592
01:50:09,930 --> 01:50:10,770
50%?

1593
01:50:11,210 --> 01:50:11,510
50.

1594
01:50:14,290 --> 01:50:19,350
And political signs, I would say more emotion is related to political signs.

1595
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:24,430
So, I'd say a garage sale sign is easier to pull

1596
01:50:25,010 --> 01:50:26,610
than someone's political sign,

1597
01:50:37,870 --> 01:50:38,250
but...

1598
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:39,430
Oh, here, and that's the issue

1599
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:42,220
of question.

1600
01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:51,820
The touch point of this issue, is it the finance of some

1601
01:50:51,820 --> 01:50:53,800
of these signs is where it falls into

1602
01:50:58,690 --> 01:50:58,730
this?

1603
01:50:58,830 --> 01:51:02,430
So, it's strictly because it's in the zoning code.

1604
01:51:02,890 --> 01:51:05,330
So, anything that gets touched in the zoning

1605
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:07,570
called the planning commission has to look at?

1606
01:51:08,830 --> 01:51:14,250
Correct. And I will say the city council has cooked to this issue. They've talked about it for a

1607
01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:19,710
really long time. It's coming to you right now as a discussion. Any substantial changes would

1608
01:51:19,710 --> 01:51:24,090
have to go back to the city council for them to say, yes, that's a great idea. We should definitely

1609
01:51:24,090 --> 01:51:29,230
change this section. If there was feedback or parts you didn't understand, we're happy to take that,

1610
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:35,070
but I would say the city council generally isn't a good spot with us. I can't speak for them. Obviously,

1611
01:51:35,070 --> 01:51:43,170
But since it's in the zoning code, this is your discussion piece of it if there needs to be changes and then at a future date

1612
01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:44,630
We'll do a public hearing

1613
01:51:44,630 --> 01:51:51,470
So anything that learning commission correct yep, but not a city council no anything that was in chapter 50

1614
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:55,290
Which the signage section does this group has to touch?

1615
01:51:56,730 --> 01:52:00,110
So does anybody want to add something to the sign ordinance?

1616
01:52:00,110 --> 01:52:02,870
I'm just going to have the console that and we have to do it.

1617
01:52:05,110 --> 01:52:07,110
You guys did a lot of work for us, thank you.

1618
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:08,990
Sherry did all the work.

1619
01:52:09,930 --> 01:52:11,270
Sherry, you did a lot of work.

1620
01:52:13,870 --> 01:52:17,810
I was thinking about this on my way here, and I came down sixth street, and there's a

1621
01:52:17,810 --> 01:52:19,010
hydrogen-plushing sign.

1622
01:52:19,250 --> 01:52:20,750
Oh, that's ours, yeah.

1623
01:52:22,090 --> 01:52:24,210
Standing up against a tree in the right way.

1624
01:52:25,250 --> 01:52:25,270
Yep.

1625
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:25,510
Yep.

1626
01:52:25,770 --> 01:52:27,890
But this city can do what I was saying.

1627
01:52:27,890 --> 01:52:33,490
like, you know, it just made me trigger like, there's different reasons of why we have signs and

1628
01:52:33,490 --> 01:52:39,410
for sure. We've talked a lot at a staff level too about making sure our logo is on any city sign.

1629
01:52:39,790 --> 01:52:43,310
We haven't historically so like the farmers market signs that were out previously.

1630
01:52:44,130 --> 01:52:47,590
They didn't have the city logo so I could see someone that looked at that and said,

1631
01:52:47,870 --> 01:52:52,170
why can that sign be on city property? Why can't mine? So we're going to work to make sure all of our

1632
01:52:52,170 --> 01:52:58,990
have our logo. So then it's a little bit clearer to people. Like, oh, that's a city sign on city property. Yeah.

1633
01:52:59,450 --> 01:53:06,350
Not that we'd want to spend our money necessarily on this, but if we're going to start building a lot of new parks and stuff like we have a big fund for that.

1634
01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:19,410
Has there been discussion around creating like a spot at the parks that's maybe shaded for parents that would be like somewhere that would have like

1635
01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:24,750
notifications to the city and they can post it. We used all these signs. We've had a

1636
01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:28,130
tough time with maintenance of those types of facilities just making sure

1637
01:53:28,130 --> 01:53:32,770
they're current in good condition. So I would say typically that's not something

1638
01:53:32,770 --> 01:53:38,870
that we'll do. Okay. Would you keep post things like PCs in the postcards? Yeah. Yeah.

1639
01:53:40,210 --> 01:53:44,170
I just think like a lot of other things that they want like parents specifically

1640
01:53:44,170 --> 01:53:49,570
need to be aware of, right? Like young families are moving to the garage sales. I know, and

1641
01:53:49,570 --> 01:53:53,490
like the tea ball sign-ups, and the ice cream shop, and so it's like if they had somewhere

1642
01:53:53,490 --> 01:53:58,810
where those families are alive, they're like, oh, you weren't allowed to. No one's calling

1643
01:53:58,810 --> 01:54:03,070
them there for information. That wasn't joke.

1644
01:54:05,630 --> 01:54:08,990
Any other discussion related to this? I'll

1645
01:54:08,990 --> 01:54:10,950
study it more?

1646
01:54:11,150 --> 01:54:11,310
Yes.

1647
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:13,990
We'll have representation on Zoom.

1648
01:54:15,730 --> 01:54:16,570
I'd like to do a call.

1649
01:54:21,330 --> 01:54:21,750
I'd like to do a call.

1650
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:22,310
I'd like to do a call.

1651
01:54:22,570 --> 01:54:23,510
I'd like to do a call.

1652
01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:24,130
That's okay.

1653
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:28,480
When we get here, it's that

1654
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:32,500
all good.

1655
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,500
So if you're putting in a permanent sign that requires review.

1656
01:54:43,260 --> 01:54:46,480
It's either $60 if it doesn't have if it doesn't need footings.

1657
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:50,480
And then if it does need footings, it's a percentage of the building permit fee.

1658
01:54:50,700 --> 01:54:52,740
If you're coming in for a temporary sign to permit,

1659
01:54:52,740 --> 01:54:57,220
we are thinking that it will likely hit our zoning permit, which is a $20 fee.

1660
01:55:01,900 --> 01:55:06,880
No, not only can I test that the zoning permit is essentially right your name and your address,

1661
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:11,440
and we can review it from there. Same day usually, yep.

1662
01:55:22,850 --> 01:55:28,570
We got some really great feedback from a lot of groups, so I feel like we have closer line of communication

1663
01:55:28,570 --> 01:55:31,430
with a lot of people, so we'll show that information for sure.

1664
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:52,550
Perhaps Mayor Courtney could put it in her monthly update perhaps that or like goes out with the water belt and we can put it on social media to online there's some really cool tools like question and answer like do I need to permit yes is example and ask questions and then ultimately yes or no and call whoever

1665
01:55:52,550 --> 01:56:01,550
I'm just like when we think about problematic signs, they're going to go up regardless, right? So it just protects us from, right? That's what it does is perfect.

1666
01:56:03,070 --> 01:56:12,810
Correct. So if someone came in and had a sign that was vulgar, and they didn't get a permit, it's pretty easy for us to say. You don't have a permit. We pulled it out of a right of way.

1667
01:56:12,810 --> 01:56:17,330
What if the all-gersign is taking up for some of their window?

1668
01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:19,810
Probably going to leave it.

1669
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:22,170
Don't get any ideas, please.

1670
01:56:26,660 --> 01:56:27,160
Other feedback?

1671
01:56:37,700 --> 01:56:37,940
Yeah.

1672
01:56:39,460 --> 01:56:40,720
We've talked about stickers.

1673
01:56:43,700 --> 01:56:43,700
The

1674
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,620
days when anything went in carbon.

1675
01:56:53,420 --> 01:56:54,000
That was a while.

1676
01:56:54,180 --> 01:56:55,160
Sometimes that still happens.

1677
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:05,000
Anybody else on science or do you feel like we've given you direction?

1678
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:05,820
I do.

1679
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,260
I'm going to schedule a public hearing.

1680
01:57:07,460 --> 01:57:07,700
I'm not sure.

1681
01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:09,440
I don't know.

1682
01:57:09,540 --> 01:57:10,100
That was helpful.

1683
01:57:10,340 --> 01:57:12,000
I know we don't usually ask you to do that.

1684
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:14,420
But you've spent so much time on that.

1685
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:15,780
Is Eric our new liaison?

1686
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:16,880
No.

1687
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:17,500
Great.

1688
01:57:19,140 --> 01:57:21,240
That was a very quick answer.

1689
01:57:21,740 --> 01:57:22,520
I told you.

1690
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:26,100
They all poke fun at us saying how nerdy these meetings are.

1691
01:57:26,100 --> 01:57:32,920
Is that what you make me do it?

1692
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:39,140
This was fun. Yeah, okay. Okay, so Eric's temporary.

1693
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:41,460
Does anybody like to be done with this meeting?

1694
01:57:41,980 --> 01:57:45,100
I'm gonna make a motion to be done.

1695
01:57:45,580 --> 01:57:46,820
Motion to be done.

1696
01:57:46,900 --> 01:57:47,840
So I can be done.

1697
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,200
All in favor say aye. Aye.

1698
01:57:51,140 --> 01:57:52,340
It's meeting is adjourned.