1 00:09:00,992 --> 00:09:02,992 [NO AUDIO] 2 01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:39,310 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Good evening, 3 01:00:39,143 --> 01:00:45,615 I call the city Council meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.. 4 01:00:45,615 --> 01:00:48,150 Please call the roll. 5 01:00:52,816 --> 01:00:54,816 [Roll Call] 6 01:01:02,671 --> 01:01:06,431 Would everyone please rise and join me 7 01:01:06,431 --> 01:01:09,431 for the Pledge of Allegiance. 8 01:01:13,875 --> 01:01:16,500 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 9 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:16,512 and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 10 01:01:16,512 --> 01:01:20,712 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 11 01:01:27,511 --> 01:01:31,711 Next is the approval of the agenda. 12 01:01:31,879 --> 01:01:35,215 If there are no objections, the agenda 13 01:01:35,215 --> 01:01:37,631 will be approved pure caring none, 14 01:01:37,631 --> 01:01:39,711 the agenda is approved as presented. 15 01:01:39,711 --> 01:01:43,239 Moving on to public comment, it's 16 01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:47,604 designed for you to share your thoughts with council 17 01:01:47,604 --> 01:01:51,310 but it is not an interactive discussion. 18 01:01:51,310 --> 01:01:55,631 If you are attending in person tonight and would like to give 19 01:01:55,631 --> 01:02:00,144 a general public comment, please sign up at the clipboard 20 01:02:00,144 --> 01:02:03,744 in the back of the room . 21 01:02:05,184 --> 01:02:08,111 If you called in to tonight's meeting, 22 01:02:08,111 --> 01:02:10,911 the clerk will recognize you by the last four 23 01:02:10,911 --> 01:02:12,531 digits of your phone number and we 24 01:02:12,531 --> 01:02:16,303 ask the chat feature online only be used to sign up 25 01:02:16,303 --> 01:02:17,751 to give public comments. 26 01:02:17,751 --> 01:02:23,751 Before I give instructions, do we have anyone signed up? 27 01:02:26,217 --> 01:02:29,391 Clerk: We do have individuals signed up for public comment 28 01:02:29,391 --> 01:02:31,391 tonight. 29 01:02:33,416 --> 01:02:37,751 Mayor Tracy Engerman: There's a three limit time limit 30 01:02:37,751 --> 01:02:42,231 for individuals and a five minute time limit for anyone 31 01:02:42,231 --> 01:02:44,231 representing an organization . 32 01:02:51,253 --> 01:02:54,853 Your feedback is important to us. 33 01:03:11,558 --> 01:03:16,958 Doug Gilbert: Good evening , members of council and staff, 34 01:03:19,891 --> 01:03:25,291 I wish to voice my Opposition to item 8D, 35 01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,719 the resolution opposing the upcoming ballot measure. 36 01:03:36,481 --> 01:03:42,310 I think in this era of Citizens United, large campaign 37 01:03:42,310 --> 01:03:45,350 contributions not just here but also in lone tree, 38 01:03:45,350 --> 01:03:48,779 I think we need to be having more direct democracy and not 39 01:03:48,779 --> 01:03:51,470 less of it, because it focuses the electorate 40 01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:55,359 on a particular issue and not on the broad range of issues 41 01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:00,551 a candidate election might focus on, so it's a different animal. 42 01:04:00,551 --> 01:04:02,582 Secondly, I think the arguments being 43 01:04:02,582 --> 01:04:06,118 made the city needs latitude negotiation are really 44 01:04:06,118 --> 01:04:08,711 talking about the wrong mission of the city. 45 01:04:08,711 --> 01:04:12,571 The mission of the city is to look after the health and safety 46 01:04:12,571 --> 01:04:16,751 and welfare of its citizens and the area under which it 47 01:04:16,751 --> 01:04:22,251 operates, it is not to be a real estate developer. 48 01:04:22,251 --> 01:04:24,867 The city or maybe the staff is considering 49 01:04:24,867 --> 01:04:26,966 it should be a real estate developer 50 01:04:26,966 --> 01:04:28,791 and I don't think that's what we like 51 01:04:28,791 --> 01:04:30,743 to see as citizens of the city. 52 01:04:30,743 --> 01:04:33,591 Obviously we want a prosperous city, 53 01:04:33,591 --> 01:04:37,341 we voted for taxes and things to make things better. 54 01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:40,871 Third, many citizens are concerned about the track record 55 01:04:40,871 --> 01:04:44,671 of this city with respect to its application and administration 56 01:04:44,671 --> 01:04:45,966 of zoning. 57 01:04:45,966 --> 01:04:50,244 We've had the troublesome area of the McDonald's 58 01:04:50,244 --> 01:04:55,841 with that agreement, I don't need to go to into detail 59 01:04:55,841 --> 01:04:58,850 and bring up painful memories but beyond that there 60 01:04:58,850 --> 01:05:02,411 are multiple complaints in the canyons about a lack 61 01:05:02,411 --> 01:05:04,100 of effective code enforcement. 62 01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,601 I think the resolution tonight illustrates 63 01:05:08,631 --> 01:05:10,335 a certain amount of tone deafness 64 01:05:10,335 --> 01:05:13,327 and we should get beyond this. 65 01:05:13,327 --> 01:05:18,127 Last but not least, pursuing the item agenda 66 01:05:18,191 --> 01:05:22,879 sends a message city Council is making a bold statement that it 67 01:05:22,879 --> 01:05:25,268 knows better than those who elected it, 68 01:05:25,268 --> 01:05:28,561 and I think that is problematic for a number of reasons. 69 01:05:28,561 --> 01:05:31,311 It's very different from the approach we took in 2010 when 70 01:05:31,311 --> 01:05:34,775 I was on council and we had a referendum 71 01:05:34,775 --> 01:05:38,351 to undo the Urban Renewal Authority. 72 01:05:38,351 --> 01:05:41,655 Essentially, we let the democratic process play out. 73 01:05:41,655 --> 01:05:43,567 I was very opposed to the referendum, 74 01:05:43,567 --> 01:05:46,831 but I had to respect democracy and I 75 01:05:46,831 --> 01:05:49,271 would hope that you can do the same 76 01:05:49,271 --> 01:05:54,671 and that you would vote against or postpone indefinitely 8 77 01:05:56,175 --> 01:06:00,375 D this evening, thank you very much. 78 01:06:13,773 --> 01:06:16,773 Whitney Schenk: Good evening mayor 79 01:06:18,103 --> 01:06:22,710 and members of city Council, I am the executive director 80 01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:24,371 of the Castle Pines Chamber of Commerce 81 01:06:24,371 --> 01:06:26,427 and I'm here tonight on behalf of the chamber 82 01:06:26,427 --> 01:06:30,627 to express our support For 8 C, 8 D, 83 01:06:37,817 --> 01:06:42,617 and 8 E. What matters is the growth is 84 01:06:44,271 --> 01:06:47,100 thoughtful and intentional in a way that benefits people that 85 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:50,591 already live here, businesses already invested here, 86 01:06:50,591 --> 01:06:52,937 and the future of our community. 87 01:06:52,937 --> 01:06:56,537 For businesses, predictability matters and they 88 01:06:56,543 --> 01:06:59,979 need to understand the process, what will be expected of them, 89 01:06:59,979 --> 01:07:02,743 and what the city is trying to accomplish long term. 90 01:07:02,743 --> 01:07:05,551 We believe this policy provides that clarity 91 01:07:05,551 --> 01:07:07,791 while still allowing City Council to look 92 01:07:07,791 --> 01:07:11,255 at each annexation individually and determine whether it 93 01:07:11,255 --> 01:07:12,731 makes sense for Castle Pines. 94 01:07:12,731 --> 01:07:14,999 We especially appreciate the focus 95 01:07:14,999 --> 01:07:17,399 on fiscal sustainability, infrastructure 96 01:07:17,871 --> 01:07:20,871 and public service, community benefit, 97 01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:24,641 and opportunities for future commercial development. 98 01:07:25,331 --> 01:07:29,751 The chamber also supports opposing the proposed charter 99 01:07:29,751 --> 01:07:32,610 amendment that would require voter 100 01:07:32,610 --> 01:07:34,991 approval for certain annexations over 20 acres. 101 01:07:34,991 --> 01:07:36,711 We believe our elected city Council 102 01:07:36,711 --> 01:07:40,400 needs to maintain the ability to evaluate these proposals 103 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,611 individually and make decisions on what is best 104 01:07:43,611 --> 01:07:45,591 for Castle Pines as a whole. 105 01:07:45,591 --> 01:07:48,271 Annexation is already a very public process 106 01:07:48,271 --> 01:07:50,924 including multiple steps, public hearings, 107 01:07:50,924 --> 01:07:53,655 opportunities for residents to provide input 108 01:07:53,655 --> 01:07:57,701 and ultimately a decision by the City council members 109 01:07:57,701 --> 01:07:59,921 elected to represent them. 110 01:07:59,921 --> 01:08:02,631 Requiring an election simply because our property exceeds 111 01:08:02,631 --> 01:08:05,937 a certain acreage could make the process significantly more 112 01:08:05,937 --> 01:08:08,310 complicated and could limit the city's ability 113 01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:10,988 to respond when economic development opportunities come 114 01:08:10,988 --> 01:08:11,985 our way. 115 01:08:11,985 --> 01:08:14,991 I also think it's important to remember that Castle Pines 116 01:08:14,991 --> 01:08:18,510 residents already have a strong voice in their local government, 117 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:22,851 our home charter preserves initiative and referendum rights 118 01:08:22,851 --> 01:08:26,230 for our residents providing important checks and balances 119 01:08:26,230 --> 01:08:27,991 for our local government. 120 01:08:27,991 --> 01:08:30,114 We absolutely believe residents should 121 01:08:30,114 --> 01:08:32,607 have a voice in how Castle Pines grows, 122 01:08:32,607 --> 01:08:35,479 at the same time we believe our elected city Council needs 123 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,231 the flexibility to carefully evaluate each annexation based 124 01:08:39,231 --> 01:08:41,721 on its individual merits rather than requiring 125 01:08:41,721 --> 01:08:45,396 an automatic election based primarily on acreage. 126 01:08:45,396 --> 01:08:49,596 Finally, the chamber supports item 80, the 2026 Economic 127 01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:53,100 Development Strategic Plan. 128 01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:56,767 This is something incredibly important to the Castle Pines 129 01:08:56,767 --> 01:08:58,839 chamber, we hear all the time from our residents 130 01:08:58,839 --> 01:09:03,430 that they want more restaurants, retail, services and amenities 131 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:07,511 right here in Castle Pines, but those things don't just happen. 132 01:09:07,511 --> 01:09:10,121 We know we have to be intentional about creating 133 01:09:10,121 --> 01:09:12,851 an environment where businesses want to invest, 134 01:09:12,851 --> 01:09:15,727 and where businesses we already have can succeed. 135 01:09:15,727 --> 01:09:17,991 A strong economic development strategy 136 01:09:17,991 --> 01:09:20,777 helps us do just that, it gives us a road 137 01:09:20,777 --> 01:09:22,631 map for attracting the right investment, 138 01:09:22,631 --> 01:09:26,271 growing our commercial tax base, supporting our existing 139 01:09:26,271 --> 01:09:29,311 businesses and ultimately creating the kind of community 140 01:09:29,311 --> 01:09:32,770 our residents continue to tell us they want. 141 01:09:32,770 --> 01:09:34,301 The chamber is excited to continue 142 01:09:34,301 --> 01:09:36,377 partnering with the city on this work, 143 01:09:36,377 --> 01:09:39,311 thank you for your leadership, continued commitment 144 01:09:39,311 --> 01:09:43,211 to thoughtful, responsible growth, and economic development 145 01:09:43,211 --> 01:09:45,211 in Castle Pines. 146 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,383 Mayor Tracy Engerman: We are moving on 147 01:10:02,383 --> 01:10:04,876 to the presentation of our minutes, any corrections 148 01:10:04,876 --> 01:10:09,676 to our minutes from the City Council meeting? 149 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:14,871 Hearing none, the minutes are approved as presented. 150 01:10:14,871 --> 01:10:18,471 Tonight's consent agenda is resolution 26-50 151 01:10:25,351 --> 01:10:30,151 for the coordinated election held on November 3rd 2026. 152 01:10:32,901 --> 01:10:39,383 A resolution which also sets ballots and places to the Castle 153 01:10:39,383 --> 01:10:42,457 Pines charter on the ballot for the coordinated election held 154 01:10:42,457 --> 01:10:44,457 on November 3rd 2026. 155 01:10:46,541 --> 01:10:50,741 The resolution awarding a construction contract doing 156 01:10:53,911 --> 01:10:56,911 business as Nicholas Construction Inc. 157 01:10:57,310 --> 01:11:01,831 For the Happy Canyon Phase one construction projects . 158 01:11:09,991 --> 01:11:15,991 I have a motion and a second, clerk please call . 159 01:11:26,911 --> 01:11:28,911 The motion passes. 160 01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:31,995 Moving on to our general business, 161 01:11:31,995 --> 01:11:37,995 our first item is the Douglas County Sheriff's Office update. 162 01:11:52,734 --> 01:11:55,991 Speaker: We had an incident that happened in Castle Pines, 163 01:11:55,991 --> 01:12:00,244 on August 20th at about 624 we had a suicidal subject 164 01:12:00,244 --> 01:12:05,644 in the 600 block of Yellow Drive with a handgun, 165 01:12:05,971 --> 01:12:10,161 the reporting party stated her ex husband had threatened 166 01:12:10,161 --> 01:12:15,561 to shoot himself and refused to return to jail. 167 01:12:16,331 --> 01:12:18,395 He did say he would shoot officers 168 01:12:18,395 --> 01:12:21,773 if they would attempt to take him to jail, 169 01:12:21,773 --> 01:12:25,779 so that's really the call we went to. 170 01:12:25,779 --> 01:12:28,221 I know it seems it was a long time, 171 01:12:28,221 --> 01:12:31,831 it was three hours for the total incident but the important thing 172 01:12:31,831 --> 01:12:37,231 was the suspect , no one was injured from this. 173 01:12:38,651 --> 01:12:43,484 The suspect surrendered, it was three hours of negotiation 174 01:12:43,484 --> 01:12:49,141 and we also had to evacuate some of the apartments 175 01:12:49,141 --> 01:12:52,230 within the complex for the safety of those surrounding 176 01:12:52,230 --> 01:12:55,511 and they issued an alert to make sure 177 01:12:55,511 --> 01:13:01,511 those who lived in the apartment complex sheltered in place. 178 01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:05,310 Safety takes a priority, sometimes 179 01:13:05,719 --> 01:13:08,724 we have to take the time it needs because this 180 01:13:08,724 --> 01:13:12,607 is if we would have pushed the issue we would have had injuries 181 01:13:12,607 --> 01:13:14,821 to citizens or those involved. 182 01:13:14,821 --> 01:13:19,271 The important thing is is the person was taken into custody, 183 01:13:19,271 --> 01:13:23,471 did surrender, and is facing multiple charges. 184 01:13:24,903 --> 01:13:28,503 Party in the park, phenomenal event. 185 01:13:30,751 --> 01:13:34,951 Officers enjoyed it thoroughly, air traffic team 186 01:13:35,891 --> 01:13:38,271 came to help out with those that left. 187 01:13:38,271 --> 01:13:41,481 That's going to be an ongoing event, 188 01:13:41,481 --> 01:13:45,931 well received and well attended, no issues to report from that. 189 01:13:45,931 --> 01:13:47,996 I think the only thing to report is 190 01:13:47,996 --> 01:13:50,455 there's some barricades that need 191 01:13:50,455 --> 01:13:53,911 to be more noticeable around night time, 192 01:13:53,911 --> 01:13:55,911 but they said the event went flawless. 193 01:13:55,911 --> 01:14:01,311 The last thing real quick , we've been receiving complaints 194 01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:09,111 when it comes to speeding, and this summer has been no 195 01:14:09,111 --> 01:14:11,310 exception to that. 196 01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:14,377 We feel speeding is a problem because it's a safety issue 197 01:14:14,377 --> 01:14:16,971 for the city of Castle Pines. 198 01:14:16,971 --> 01:14:19,879 We did step up enforcement, you will 199 01:14:19,879 --> 01:14:24,790 hear we were aggressive in the enforcement. 200 01:14:24,391 --> 01:14:28,591 In a 30 day period, there were 66 citations 201 01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:32,510 for people driving ten over. 202 01:14:35,310 --> 01:14:38,631 Unfortunately, we have residents and nonresidents 203 01:14:39,551 --> 01:14:41,611 speeding through the city of Castle Pines. 204 01:14:41,611 --> 01:14:45,411 Hopefully the enforcement will get people to change that 205 01:14:45,411 --> 01:14:49,611 behavior, because really safety applies to everybody . 206 01:14:51,121 --> 01:14:56,310 We've got kids going to school, people driving through normal, 207 01:14:56,310 --> 01:15:00,831 we really have to have people appreciate that . 208 01:15:03,271 --> 01:15:07,471 We were heavy on the reinforcement, that's 209 01:15:08,111 --> 01:15:10,783 something to change behavior, the citation 210 01:15:10,783 --> 01:15:13,817 takes a little hit for your wallet 211 01:15:13,817 --> 01:15:18,617 and gives the person something to think about. 212 01:15:32,710 --> 01:15:38,671 I'd have to pull the stats up, monarch and Castle Pines 213 01:15:38,983 --> 01:15:40,127 was big. 214 01:15:40,127 --> 01:15:43,727 There were certain areas that had 215 01:15:43,791 --> 01:15:45,801 the majority of the citations. 216 01:15:45,801 --> 01:15:49,791 We always have issue with the school zones, 217 01:15:49,791 --> 01:15:53,991 people forget the school zones are active . 218 01:15:54,521 --> 01:15:57,876 10 to 19 over in a school zone is a big deal, 219 01:15:57,876 --> 01:16:02,255 we ask the residents in general and those coming to Castle Pines 220 01:16:02,255 --> 01:16:05,971 whether to the businesses or they live here, be mindful 221 01:16:05,971 --> 01:16:09,583 of the speed, mindful of what's going on in the city 222 01:16:09,583 --> 01:16:15,583 because safety is ultimately what's important for all of us. 223 01:16:22,111 --> 01:16:26,911 When I see things like the 20 to 24 over, 224 01:16:28,736 --> 01:16:35,336 sometimes we have to remind them through a piece of paper . 225 01:16:46,231 --> 01:16:50,371 We want to make sure the culprits are 226 01:16:50,371 --> 01:16:55,171 held accountable and responsible for that, thank you. 227 01:17:03,588 --> 01:17:07,310 Speaker: I would like to thank the Sheriff's office generally. 228 01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:13,310 To have handled that without the negative outcome to everybody 229 01:17:13,711 --> 01:17:16,711 involved, including the person struggling , 230 01:17:19,871 --> 01:17:23,751 and without an inappropriate use of force, 231 01:17:23,751 --> 01:17:28,562 it was handled the right way and I appreciate that very much. 232 01:17:28,562 --> 01:17:32,390 I also want to thank the Sheriff's office 233 01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:34,359 for its dedication to human trafficking, 234 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:38,571 I had an event today where members of your force 235 01:17:38,571 --> 01:17:41,897 appeared including the Sheriff and I just 236 01:17:41,897 --> 01:17:44,638 want to communicate that out loud to you 237 01:17:44,638 --> 01:17:47,771 as well because it happens in places that people don't always 238 01:17:47,771 --> 01:17:49,771 see. 239 01:17:58,354 --> 01:17:59,937 Councilmember Kori Salazar: How do you 240 01:17:59,937 --> 01:18:05,337 break out the speeding from residents to non residents? 241 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,799 Speaker: We do have that in the stats, 242 01:18:09,799 --> 01:18:13,397 we can see where a person lives from the citation violation. 243 01:18:13,397 --> 01:18:17,131 It's a mix, we have a lot of people that come here 244 01:18:17,131 --> 01:18:21,931 for business reasons and sometimes we don't necessarily 245 01:18:22,471 --> 01:18:25,359 look at the surroundings and think about school 246 01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:26,495 being back in service. 247 01:18:26,495 --> 01:18:28,977 We hope the community will take a look 248 01:18:28,977 --> 01:18:33,161 and take a step back for the safety of our kids 249 01:18:33,161 --> 01:18:33,744 and community. 250 01:18:33,744 --> 01:18:42,144 I know you feel the same , that can make a difference if a child 251 01:18:43,756 --> 01:18:46,977 or a citizen so we just want people to really think about 252 01:18:46,977 --> 01:18:48,977 that. 253 01:18:58,351 --> 01:19:00,751 Have a great night! 254 01:19:04,805 --> 01:19:06,597 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Next we are moving on 255 01:19:06,597 --> 01:19:10,924 to a public hearing for the ordinance of the City 256 01:19:10,924 --> 01:19:14,291 Council of the City of Castle Pines Colorado amending section 257 01:19:14,291 --> 01:19:17,261 27 Site Improvement plan of the City of Castle Pines 258 01:19:17,261 --> 01:19:20,261 zoning ordinance on second reading. 259 01:19:20,951 --> 01:19:23,601 Our staff presentation will be given 260 01:19:23,601 --> 01:19:27,801 by the community Development Director Donna Ferguson. 261 01:19:36,106 --> 01:19:37,731 Donna Ferguson: This proposed amendment 262 01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:41,199 to section 27 of the city's zoning code 263 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:45,131 is brought to you by the Community Development 264 01:19:45,131 --> 01:19:49,331 Department authorized under section 109 of the Zoning 265 01:19:50,401 --> 01:19:52,401 Ordinance. 266 01:19:53,111 --> 01:19:58,151 Your policy question tonight is does the City Council 267 01:19:58,151 --> 01:20:00,601 approve an amendment to the city's zoning ordinance 268 01:20:00,601 --> 01:20:03,417 to update the process, procedures, 269 01:20:03,417 --> 01:20:07,617 and approval criteria for site improvement plans? 270 01:20:09,751 --> 01:20:16,951 ever since Castle Pines became a Home Rule city in 2008 we have 271 01:20:17,821 --> 01:20:21,310 been working towards updating our Land development codes 272 01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:25,831 to make them make sense for the city , 273 01:20:29,531 --> 01:20:33,764 and not Douglas County from which we adopted it from. 274 01:20:33,764 --> 01:20:36,639 This is not new, it's something we've 275 01:20:36,639 --> 01:20:40,239 been striving for and working towards. 276 01:20:41,671 --> 01:20:45,557 A little bit about what we went through to get here today, 277 01:20:45,557 --> 01:20:49,261 we did start with the Planning Commission study session 278 01:20:49,261 --> 01:20:53,244 and brought the question of updating the site approval plan 279 01:20:53,244 --> 01:20:57,547 approval criteria to Planning commission, got their feedback, 280 01:20:57,547 --> 01:21:03,110 we then took it out to a referral process and when 281 01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:07,291 the referral process closed we took the information we learned 282 01:21:07,291 --> 01:21:12,319 from the referral process back to the Planning Commission with 283 01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:18,919 a formal red line, which you also have in your packet . 284 01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:28,231 Then, this ordinance was on first reading two Tuesdays ago, 285 01:21:28,231 --> 01:21:32,375 tonight it is on second reading and public hearing 286 01:21:32,375 --> 01:21:35,375 for your review and consideration . 287 01:21:39,671 --> 01:21:46,271 The referral period took place from July 2nd to July 23rd, 288 01:21:47,377 --> 01:21:52,777 the referral was sent to Douglas County agencies , Parker, 289 01:21:57,297 --> 01:21:58,564 Castle rock. 290 01:21:58,564 --> 01:22:02,871 We sent it to our known homeowners associations, 291 01:22:02,871 --> 01:22:07,671 including Castle Pines North, high Park, the canyons. 292 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:15,684 We also set this out to metro districts and the canyons, 293 01:22:15,737 --> 01:22:21,137 we also sent this out to our business community, 294 01:22:23,175 --> 01:22:28,791 our shopping center where Safeway is and King Soopers is, 295 01:22:28,791 --> 01:22:34,237 and also our office park that sits right in front of city 296 01:22:34,237 --> 01:22:36,237 offices . 297 01:22:39,310 --> 01:22:44,431 We received one comment response from Douglas County Community 298 01:22:46,191 --> 01:22:49,191 Development, it was really interesting 299 01:22:49,657 --> 01:22:53,257 because they provided feedback on why 300 01:22:54,175 --> 01:22:56,575 there were certain criteria. 301 01:22:58,910 --> 01:23:01,261 The reason we had a three year expiration policy 302 01:23:01,261 --> 01:23:05,510 is because it was inconsistent with this, 303 01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:12,251 it was being informative and it did point out a few errors, 304 01:23:13,591 --> 01:23:18,871 so it was helpful but not substantive in nature. 305 01:23:18,871 --> 01:23:23,531 We also published this public hearing in the newspaper, 306 01:23:23,531 --> 01:23:26,591 and you also received a copy an affidavit 307 01:23:26,591 --> 01:23:29,591 for that in your packet. 308 01:23:31,271 --> 01:23:37,271 This is an image of our land development process steps, 309 01:23:38,411 --> 01:23:41,891 and this is actually in the city's website. 310 01:23:41,891 --> 01:23:46,691 Anybody can come here, understand what the land 311 01:23:47,631 --> 01:23:49,575 development process is. 312 01:23:49,575 --> 01:23:55,276 It is several steps, starting with a comprehensive plan which 313 01:23:55,276 --> 01:23:58,647 all of the steps below are informed by. 314 01:23:58,647 --> 01:24:03,461 On the right side, you will see the level of discretion each 315 01:24:03,461 --> 01:24:05,861 land development step has . 316 01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:14,277 High discretion at the very top, our comprehensive plan 317 01:24:14,911 --> 01:24:17,407 and annexation policy high discretion 318 01:24:17,407 --> 01:24:22,371 level, but as you move down in the land development process 319 01:24:22,371 --> 01:24:26,836 it becomes less discretion, and this is purposeful. 320 01:24:26,836 --> 01:24:30,687 It's supposed to start very high and lofty, 321 01:24:30,687 --> 01:24:33,870 and could get refined . 322 01:24:39,277 --> 01:24:43,127 I wanted to point something out, a lot of talk through this 323 01:24:43,127 --> 01:24:47,927 process has been about the self storage development, 324 01:24:48,710 --> 01:24:50,471 and that property -- 325 01:24:51,975 --> 01:24:56,540 we inherited that property when the city incorporated, 326 01:24:56,540 --> 01:25:02,654 it was in the city and it was zoned business district , 327 01:25:03,664 --> 01:25:07,245 and then the property owner came in and said hey, 328 01:25:07,245 --> 01:25:10,287 I want to talk about changing the uses. 329 01:25:10,287 --> 01:25:15,970 We went through a rezoning and a planned development process, 330 01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:17,841 and through that legislative process 331 01:25:17,841 --> 01:25:23,327 which does have discretion, they asked us primarily the impetus 332 01:25:23,327 --> 01:25:28,727 for this was that we want indoor storage units. 333 01:25:31,831 --> 01:25:35,831 This was right next to a residential community, 334 01:25:35,831 --> 01:25:38,831 there's going to be impacts. 335 01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:42,391 Planning Commission and Council said 336 01:25:42,391 --> 01:25:44,463 you have to have minimum heights, 337 01:25:44,463 --> 01:25:49,263 this building has to look a certain way. 338 01:25:49,871 --> 01:25:53,791 It can't have lights adjacent to the residential community, 339 01:25:53,791 --> 01:25:57,910 it has to be esthetically pleasing 340 01:25:57,910 --> 01:26:00,550 with a lot of landscaping and buffering. 341 01:26:00,550 --> 01:26:06,321 All of those land development controls were set in the zoning, 342 01:26:06,321 --> 01:26:09,311 and then the site improvement plan simply 343 01:26:09,311 --> 01:26:12,791 becomes the review of making sure they 344 01:26:12,791 --> 01:26:16,646 meet all of those technical requirements that you set out. 345 01:26:16,646 --> 01:26:20,291 Once it gets to a site improvement plan, 346 01:26:20,291 --> 01:26:26,291 the land use is already set , the technical requirements are 347 01:26:27,943 --> 01:26:34,516 already set, so site improvement plan is just about did you do 348 01:26:34,516 --> 01:26:38,757 what the rules said you are supposed to do? 349 01:26:38,757 --> 01:26:45,391 Keep that in mind, and we will go to the next slide. 350 01:26:45,391 --> 01:26:50,191 So, the review of the site improvement plan. 351 01:26:50,244 --> 01:26:55,644 These proposed amendments are to make the site improvement 352 01:26:57,191 --> 01:27:02,884 plan review technical in nature, basically clean it up and remove 353 01:27:02,884 --> 01:27:06,971 some old procedures that were fine for the county, 354 01:27:06,971 --> 01:27:08,557 but not for us. 355 01:27:08,557 --> 01:27:15,757 The first one being to focus the review on its consistency with 356 01:27:16,231 --> 01:27:22,231 the codes, with the zoning, with actual regulations and not 357 01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:26,210 policy . 358 01:27:27,637 --> 01:27:30,359 It's not about are you consistent with the plan, 359 01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:35,159 it's about are you consistent with the zoning? 360 01:27:37,111 --> 01:27:41,911 Specifically, we are proposing to remove two approval 361 01:27:43,271 --> 01:27:45,767 criteria which are very policy oriented, 362 01:27:45,767 --> 01:27:50,924 and those are to remove supports the goals and objectives 363 01:27:50,924 --> 01:27:54,203 of the comprehensive plan which by the way 364 01:27:54,203 --> 01:27:57,335 is something we reviewed with the zoning already, 365 01:27:57,335 --> 01:28:02,735 as well as further public health safety and welfare. 366 01:28:02,935 --> 01:28:07,135 With regard to this, furthers public health 367 01:28:09,981 --> 01:28:14,371 safety and welfare, we have already distilled that 368 01:28:14,371 --> 01:28:15,743 into discrete regulations. 369 01:28:15,743 --> 01:28:20,663 I did provide you a list of those regulations for all three 370 01:28:20,663 --> 01:28:22,404 of those considerations. 371 01:28:22,404 --> 01:28:29,400 For example, one of them is a setback from a street. 372 01:28:30,311 --> 01:28:36,311 It's inherently chosen based on the level of the street . 373 01:28:44,646 --> 01:28:48,230 That's an example of an actual regulation 374 01:28:48,230 --> 01:28:55,223 that you can meet or not meet that protects the public welfare 375 01:28:55,743 --> 01:29:01,743 safety, I just want to make sure you understand that. 376 01:29:01,871 --> 01:29:08,471 Next slide , other things we are changing is the formal public 377 01:29:10,783 --> 01:29:12,790 comment process. 378 01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:16,279 Right now, we send referrals to agencies, 379 01:29:19,175 --> 01:29:25,175 and we have advisory agencies and we have regulatory agencies, 380 01:29:26,676 --> 01:29:33,276 and the code right now says you Must respond to Speaker: 381 01:33:42,958 --> 01:33:47,158 They were in two separate areas, we 382 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:54,200 did remove one requirement the city doesn't use. 383 01:34:40,677 --> 01:34:44,877 They have standardized notes and expiration dates, 384 01:34:45,717 --> 01:34:51,697 the expiration dates for the civil drawings is three years 385 01:34:51,697 --> 01:34:56,497 but in our manuals it is two years . 386 01:34:59,362 --> 01:35:03,597 We wanted to update it to make sure it is consistent, 387 01:35:03,597 --> 01:35:06,130 also there's a post approval procedure having 388 01:35:06,130 --> 01:35:09,517 to do with the certificate of occupancy 389 01:35:09,517 --> 01:35:11,437 I was mentioning earlier. 390 01:35:11,437 --> 01:35:16,770 It's an outdated procedure, it's not something we need or use 391 01:35:16,770 --> 01:35:20,877 and we would like to clean that up. 392 01:35:27,117 --> 01:35:33,117 These proposed Staff feels that this will make it easier 393 01:37:08,432 --> 01:37:12,320 to administer, more predictable for applicants, 394 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,160 for planning commissioners, for staff. 395 01:37:17,496 --> 01:37:21,816 There's a clearer basis for findings and decisions, 396 01:37:21,816 --> 01:37:24,524 as I mentioned before we are going 397 01:37:24,524 --> 01:37:27,976 to add a public hearing and public notice, 398 01:37:27,976 --> 01:37:30,376 and public comment opportunity. 399 01:37:31,322 --> 01:37:34,322 It just standardizes many things, 400 01:37:35,856 --> 01:37:39,456 like the notice requirements, and it 401 01:37:39,761 --> 01:37:42,200 doesn't eliminate any development requirements 402 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:48,602 that are really key to getting us our good site developments. 403 01:37:52,216 --> 01:37:58,216 Planning Commission, as you saw on that process slide voted 404 01:37:59,272 --> 01:38:02,272 to support the proposed amendments, 405 01:38:02,592 --> 01:38:06,192 we had two absent planning commissioners . 406 01:38:09,664 --> 01:38:15,640 Most of the conversation focused on the approval criteria , 407 01:38:18,136 --> 01:38:22,336 Most of the planning commissioners thought that 408 01:38:22,556 --> 01:38:27,956 the two approval criteria removed were too subject policy 409 01:38:28,656 --> 01:38:34,560 oriented, they view their role as reviewing the building, 410 01:38:36,416 --> 01:38:41,216 design, parking, landscaping, walkways is how they view 411 01:38:43,696 --> 01:38:49,960 their role, and therefore they voted 4 to 1 to recommend 412 01:38:50,556 --> 01:38:52,556 approval. 413 01:38:55,576 --> 01:38:59,576 Your proposed motion is there in front of you, 414 01:38:59,576 --> 01:39:03,888 I am there to answer any questions you might have on this 415 01:39:03,888 --> 01:39:05,888 process, any procedures . 416 01:39:12,526 --> 01:39:14,359 Mayor Tracy Engerman: This is an opportunity 417 01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:16,536 to ask clarifying questions, please 418 01:39:16,536 --> 01:39:19,352 hold your debate for later when we have a motion on the table. 419 01:39:19,352 --> 01:39:22,352 Does anyone have any questions? 420 01:39:27,369 --> 01:39:31,308 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: Please go to the slide 421 01:39:31,308 --> 01:39:33,708 before staff announced this. 422 01:39:34,472 --> 01:39:39,160 I just want to clarify, what does it mean 423 01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:42,160 does not change any upstream? 424 01:39:45,776 --> 01:39:49,976 Speaker: If we were to flip back , 425 01:39:54,696 --> 01:39:59,496 site improvement plan is at the very bottom . 426 01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:11,856 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: The first one is multi-part. 427 01:40:11,856 --> 01:40:17,856 On this slide, is it possible that a subdivision plot 428 01:40:18,448 --> 01:40:25,480 step would be completed and then the SIP would follow years 429 01:40:27,856 --> 01:40:29,856 later? 430 01:40:38,896 --> 01:40:44,896 If it comes years later, where would the planning Commission 431 01:40:46,536 --> 01:40:52,536 or the council be able to consider current policy that 432 01:40:53,376 --> 01:40:57,216 may have changed between the date of the subdivision plot 433 01:40:57,216 --> 01:41:03,816 and the date of submission if it was several years away? 434 01:41:04,872 --> 01:41:06,776 Speaker: On a quasi judicial application, 435 01:41:06,776 --> 01:41:13,816 that would need to be done well before a site improvement plan 436 01:41:13,816 --> 01:41:16,216 is presented to you . 437 01:41:28,466 --> 01:41:31,800 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: If the subdivision plot process 438 01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,326 and all the policy that goes with it including traffic 439 01:41:34,326 --> 01:41:40,152 studies and things like that, if that occurred three years before 440 01:41:40,152 --> 01:41:46,152 and then three years later the improvement plan is submitted, 441 01:41:46,936 --> 01:41:48,424 is there any place in the process 442 01:41:48,424 --> 01:41:50,636 that that three years later point 443 01:41:50,636 --> 01:41:54,236 where policy considerations could be considered? 444 01:41:58,491 --> 01:42:01,368 Speaker: No, because the site improvement plan is not 445 01:42:01,368 --> 01:42:06,168 a policy consideration, it's a technical review consideration. 446 01:42:11,670 --> 01:42:13,400 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: You said our criteria were 447 01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,400 removing two policy related things , 448 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,720 is there some source document that says the site improvement 449 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,520 plan is never a consideration, who says that? 450 01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:46,656 Is it something y'all learn in textbooks that site improvement 451 01:42:46,656 --> 01:42:50,856 plans never have public policy in them? 452 01:42:51,924 --> 01:42:54,616 Speaker: You can put a policy question in there if you wish, 453 01:42:54,616 --> 01:42:57,616 that is certainly up to you. 454 01:42:57,616 --> 01:43:01,776 But we are trying to explain that you have really addressed 455 01:43:01,776 --> 01:43:05,176 all of those questions and considerations in the upstream 456 01:43:05,176 --> 01:43:11,176 already, and in your example, a subdivision plan is simply 457 01:43:12,616 --> 01:43:17,560 the creation of a legal lot that can be developed earlier, 458 01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:22,456 we already know it has access and the ability 459 01:43:22,916 --> 01:43:27,116 to be served by water and sewer. 460 01:43:27,416 --> 01:43:31,229 This, now, is simply reviewing the lot 461 01:43:31,229 --> 01:43:34,488 to make sure it's consistent with the zoning that's already 462 01:43:34,488 --> 01:43:35,744 in place. 463 01:43:35,744 --> 01:43:41,744 If now there's a policy, if you go this route 464 01:43:45,536 --> 01:43:48,388 it shouldn't be a burden on the site improvement plan. 465 01:43:48,388 --> 01:43:53,648 If you want a policy question in the site improvement plan, 466 01:43:53,648 --> 01:43:56,480 you may have one. 467 01:43:59,227 --> 01:44:03,427 Speaker: If the original plat is created, 468 01:44:05,496 --> 01:44:10,424 let's take the commercial area or Parkway Plaza as an example. 469 01:44:10,424 --> 01:44:14,936 If changes needed to be made to zoning, that's 470 01:44:14,936 --> 01:44:17,696 where we're saying the policy changes occur so you would go 471 01:44:17,696 --> 01:44:21,360 through a rezoning process for the West commercial area, 472 01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,346 and whatever those additional new zoning requirements are 473 01:44:25,346 --> 01:44:30,960 on whatever those particular uses are or would be, 474 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,186 that's where you're making the policy decision and site 475 01:44:33,186 --> 01:44:36,876 improvement plan is solely the technical implementation of what 476 01:44:36,876 --> 01:44:41,976 happens upstream, so part of the conversation in here is are 477 01:44:41,976 --> 01:44:44,976 there ultimately more upstream changes 478 01:44:46,328 --> 01:44:50,400 you want to make relating to specific uses 479 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,896 in the West commercial area and potentially the Parkway Plaza 480 01:44:54,896 --> 01:44:58,976 area, but by the time you get to the site improvement plan 481 01:44:58,976 --> 01:45:01,792 whether it is one year or three years, 482 01:45:01,792 --> 01:45:05,947 it's the council over that period of time that is deciding 483 01:45:05,947 --> 01:45:09,296 if we want to make changes upstream and then 484 01:45:09,296 --> 01:45:13,400 the implementation of the improvement plan has to be what 485 01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,400 the rezoning or change was . 486 01:45:32,317 --> 01:45:36,517 Speaker: The city can propose text amendments 487 01:45:36,556 --> 01:45:42,556 to address more stringent standards for car washes or gas 488 01:45:43,156 --> 01:45:47,356 stations, and if an SIP isn't pending, 489 01:45:49,992 --> 01:45:54,290 they have to comply with whatever standards are in place 490 01:45:54,290 --> 01:45:56,192 at the time they submit an application, 491 01:45:56,192 --> 01:46:03,392 so that is where you make your policy changes is in code 492 01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:06,440 or through initiating a rezoning. 493 01:46:17,480 --> 01:46:21,622 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: If planning Commission gets an old 494 01:46:21,622 --> 01:46:24,626 car wash down the street in the town center or something 495 01:46:24,626 --> 01:46:28,826 and the subdivision plot was previously done , 496 01:46:37,951 --> 01:46:42,329 does the process apply to certain conditions like it must 497 01:46:42,329 --> 01:46:48,720 be screened by X amount of landscaping or set a certain 498 01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,872 way, is that still permitted on an SIP? 499 01:46:58,787 --> 01:47:02,387 Speaker: Yes, through the design guidelines. 500 01:47:05,574 --> 01:47:08,816 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: If it's a planned development, 501 01:47:08,816 --> 01:47:10,816 that doesn't apply. 502 01:47:13,484 --> 01:47:16,640 Speaker: The design guidelines goes further 503 01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,464 to talk about location. 504 01:47:18,562 --> 01:47:22,800 You could technically put a parking lot here, 505 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,352 but our site design guidelines say 506 01:47:26,352 --> 01:47:29,326 you should move this parking so it doesn't interfere 507 01:47:29,326 --> 01:47:32,326 with the residential next door. 508 01:47:32,416 --> 01:47:39,160 That is how we further the design and the site changes. 509 01:47:50,917 --> 01:47:53,589 Speaker: I don't believe this is germane to what 510 01:47:53,589 --> 01:47:56,589 we are talking about tonight. 511 01:48:02,617 --> 01:48:04,159 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I think 512 01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:09,899 the chair has to make a ruling on that point of order. 513 01:48:09,899 --> 01:48:16,499 Mayor Tracy Engerman: I'm going to move to accept a motion. 514 01:48:18,576 --> 01:48:24,576 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: The chair may not ask a motion. 515 01:48:26,271 --> 01:48:28,896 Mayor Tracy Engerman: I'm going to close the motion and we will 516 01:48:28,896 --> 01:48:30,896 open public comment . 517 01:48:36,406 --> 01:48:39,615 We're going to open the public comment , 518 01:48:39,615 --> 01:48:46,215 if you would like to give public comment and our attending 519 01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,720 in person, please sign up on the clipboard at the back 520 01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:52,720 of the room. 521 01:48:53,936 --> 01:48:58,136 If you've called in tonight's meeting -- 522 01:49:16,586 --> 01:49:23,186 Doug Gilbert: I have voted for this hot mess of zoning 523 01:49:25,624 --> 01:49:30,424 and so forth probably four times I think , 524 01:49:33,110 --> 01:49:35,220 and I believe we voted on it twice. 525 01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:38,622 I think we've had these discussions, 526 01:49:38,696 --> 01:49:41,318 I actually was not in favor of the way 527 01:49:41,318 --> 01:49:44,903 that this came out because I wanted all the notices to be 528 01:49:44,903 --> 01:49:49,703 moved to an annex and more modern processes, 529 01:49:51,856 --> 01:49:57,256 and at that point in time the mayor persuaded 530 01:49:58,448 --> 01:50:02,860 me to withdraw my objections and we move forward. 531 01:50:02,860 --> 01:50:05,720 But please give your serious consideration tonight 532 01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:11,120 to amend this proposal and leave the comprehensive plan 533 01:50:11,802 --> 01:50:12,842 element in here. 534 01:50:12,842 --> 01:50:15,422 I think all the procedural stuff is great, 535 01:50:15,422 --> 01:50:18,467 that needed to be done 16 years ago, 536 01:50:18,467 --> 01:50:20,882 and it has been very frustrating for me 537 01:50:20,882 --> 01:50:24,309 to see that it hasn't been done at that period of time. 538 01:50:24,309 --> 01:50:29,576 I left council 15 years ago and it still hasn't been done, 539 01:50:29,576 --> 01:50:33,536 and that was the objection to Commissioner Wiley 540 01:50:33,536 --> 01:50:37,936 at the Planning Commission that we are taking a halfway approach 541 01:50:37,936 --> 01:50:40,770 here and are possibly setting up some situations where 542 01:50:40,770 --> 01:50:43,869 we have approvals under an old system that 543 01:50:43,869 --> 01:50:47,187 are going to flow through and cause potential liability. 544 01:50:47,187 --> 01:50:51,328 It would be good to do a holistic review of things, 545 01:50:51,328 --> 01:50:55,836 if you leave the provisions for the comprehensive plan in there, 546 01:50:55,836 --> 01:50:58,376 it at least gives you an anchor to make 547 01:50:58,376 --> 01:51:02,449 a very solid quasi judicial determination that is not just 548 01:51:02,449 --> 01:51:05,949 where the parking lot is, because that may not 549 01:51:05,949 --> 01:51:07,736 be sufficient to get you past court 550 01:51:07,736 --> 01:51:10,280 as we learned from the McDonald's case. 551 01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:15,800 My suggestion is do all those procedural things , 552 01:51:15,568 --> 01:51:20,416 but comprehensive plan we have even to date good fairly 553 01:51:20,416 --> 01:51:23,162 comprehensive plan leave that in there. 554 01:51:23,162 --> 01:51:26,719 My question to you would be why don't you 555 01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:31,160 remove the land use goals from the comprehensive plan? 556 01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:35,824 With that, I urge you to have a motion for amendment 557 01:51:35,824 --> 01:51:38,776 to leave the plan criteria in there. 558 01:51:38,776 --> 01:51:41,336 I've demonstrated in my written comments this is not that 559 01:51:41,336 --> 01:51:45,326 difficult for staff to do, and they can challenge the developer 560 01:51:45,326 --> 01:51:47,326 to do that . 561 01:51:50,924 --> 01:51:55,124 Thank you very much for your attention. 562 01:52:07,576 --> 01:52:10,576 Whitney Schenk: Good evening again, 563 01:52:11,826 --> 01:52:14,826 the chamber supports the ordinance 564 01:52:16,784 --> 01:52:20,149 and the proposed updates to the site improvement 565 01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:22,640 plan approval criteria. 566 01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,766 One of the most important things we can provide 567 01:52:25,766 --> 01:52:27,792 is someone considering an investment 568 01:52:27,792 --> 01:52:32,396 in Castle Pines, a process clear consistent and predictable. 569 01:52:32,396 --> 01:52:35,996 By more clearly connecting project approvals 570 01:52:37,156 --> 01:52:41,356 to the existing zoning regulations, division standards, 571 01:52:42,176 --> 01:52:45,176 technical requirements, and design guidelines, 572 01:52:45,201 --> 01:52:47,436 applicants have a better idea of what 573 01:52:47,436 --> 01:52:50,584 is expected from the beginning, and that doesn't 574 01:52:50,584 --> 01:52:51,789 mean lowering our standards. 575 01:52:51,789 --> 01:52:53,966 We can make the process more predictable 576 01:52:53,966 --> 01:52:56,936 while still maintaining high expectations for quality 577 01:52:56,936 --> 01:53:00,232 development that helped make Castle Pines so special. 578 01:53:00,232 --> 01:53:03,136 When businesses and developers understand the process 579 01:53:03,136 --> 01:53:05,536 and know what is expected of them, 580 01:53:05,536 --> 01:53:09,616 it makes Castle Pines a more attractive place to invest. 581 01:53:09,616 --> 01:53:13,896 For those reasons, the Castle Pines Chamber of Commerce 582 01:53:13,896 --> 01:53:17,496 supports 2606 on second reading, thank you. 583 01:53:32,941 --> 01:53:39,541 Mayor Tracy Engerman: May I have a motion to begin discussion? 584 01:53:51,976 --> 01:53:55,576 We will begin with Council discussion. 585 01:54:01,489 --> 01:54:03,156 Councilmember Kori Salazar: I appreciate 586 01:54:03,156 --> 01:54:07,176 the Planning Commission and our community director. 587 01:54:07,176 --> 01:54:11,573 I think this was needed to get away from some of the ambiguous 588 01:54:11,573 --> 01:54:13,973 language that we have . 589 01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:18,776 I also spoke to one of our commissioners 590 01:54:18,776 --> 01:54:22,776 today at our workshop, and he also 591 01:54:22,776 --> 01:54:26,226 agreed it needs to be based on fact to eliminate 592 01:54:26,226 --> 01:54:28,626 ambiguity to increase predictability 593 01:54:29,202 --> 01:54:35,386 not only for developers, but for the city, community and Planning 594 01:54:35,386 --> 01:54:39,146 commission to make easier decisions so that is why I am 595 01:54:39,146 --> 01:54:41,376 in favor of this and appreciate all the work that 596 01:54:41,376 --> 01:54:43,776 has gone into this. 597 01:54:49,547 --> 01:54:53,147 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Any other comments? 598 01:54:54,385 --> 01:54:56,385 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I would appreciate 599 01:54:56,385 --> 01:54:58,416 hearing the other members, as I am still 600 01:54:58,416 --> 01:55:00,416 formulating my thoughts. 601 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,171 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: I'm in support of this, 602 01:55:10,171 --> 01:55:12,559 I remember the McDonald's case which was 603 01:55:12,559 --> 01:55:13,809 painful for everyone involved. 604 01:55:13,809 --> 01:55:17,336 I also do think that was the wrong decision by us, 605 01:55:17,336 --> 01:55:20,526 I felt that all along, I was one of the two votes 606 01:55:20,526 --> 01:55:22,296 in favor of the McDonald's because I 607 01:55:22,296 --> 01:55:24,279 thought it met the criteria. 608 01:55:24,279 --> 01:55:27,586 I do believe the site improvement plan process should 609 01:55:27,586 --> 01:55:33,536 be an objective process, it should not be a policy process. 610 01:55:33,536 --> 01:55:38,936 I think it needs to have a clear delineation 611 01:55:40,616 --> 01:55:47,216 of the standards of what it's going to be measured against. 612 01:55:51,566 --> 01:55:55,766 I think that's important for everybody involved 613 01:55:55,932 --> 01:55:58,948 from the residents to the developers, 614 01:55:58,948 --> 01:56:02,471 so they know what they are dealing with. 615 01:56:02,471 --> 01:56:06,976 By the time we get to the SIP, that's where I think it 616 01:56:06,976 --> 01:56:12,376 doesn't meet the criteria , that's the process we should 617 01:56:16,216 --> 01:56:18,216 have in place . 618 01:56:26,898 --> 01:56:28,273 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I'm 619 01:56:28,273 --> 01:56:34,873 concerned that the comprehensive plan and Policy are a little bit 620 01:56:35,941 --> 01:56:39,264 too set aside by this process. 621 01:56:39,264 --> 01:56:43,464 I fully support every element of this, 622 01:56:46,936 --> 01:56:52,676 but it is my understanding that the requirement to submit 623 01:56:52,676 --> 01:56:56,896 the traffic study and the construction plans has just 624 01:56:56,896 --> 01:56:59,296 moved, and not removed. 625 01:57:01,216 --> 01:57:06,160 As I look at the discretion arrow slide, 626 01:57:07,209 --> 01:57:11,409 I am seeing that the comprehensive Plan 627 01:57:12,442 --> 01:57:17,242 compliance is not in the decision making process. 628 01:57:19,192 --> 01:57:25,182 I know it's in some of the criteria for zoning but what 629 01:57:25,182 --> 01:57:28,320 concerns me is that when years pass, 630 01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:32,149 it's too difficult to go back and change zoning on somebody 631 01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:36,544 to assert a new policy, because if we do change zoning 632 01:57:36,544 --> 01:57:40,648 on somebody or something or a landowner, 633 01:57:40,648 --> 01:57:45,340 they may potentially have a right to complain about that, 634 01:57:45,340 --> 01:57:49,234 and that would be even more confusing . 635 01:57:51,930 --> 01:57:55,480 So I think there was a better way to lend more clarity 636 01:57:55,480 --> 01:58:03,150 and certainty to the process , and what we are seeing is a lot 637 01:58:03,150 --> 01:58:07,610 of time between subdivision plan and site improvement plan, 638 01:58:07,610 --> 01:58:12,396 at least in the several years I've been involved, 639 01:58:12,396 --> 01:58:16,276 and council is unwilling to go back and change zoning when 640 01:58:16,276 --> 01:58:19,864 something changes in the community or when the community 641 01:58:19,864 --> 01:58:23,336 and the council has its retreat and sets its vision we don't go 642 01:58:23,336 --> 01:58:26,576 back and review all the zoning and other decisions that might 643 01:58:26,576 --> 01:58:28,576 be important . 644 01:58:32,787 --> 01:58:36,776 As an example the zoning and considerations for case seven 645 01:58:36,776 --> 01:58:42,776 were a long time ago, things have changed in traffic has 646 01:58:42,776 --> 01:58:44,776 changed . 647 01:58:47,132 --> 01:58:50,496 It's just too complicated to go back and change all that, 648 01:58:50,496 --> 01:58:55,896 when it could just be part of the process . 649 01:59:02,296 --> 01:59:04,718 I would have been in favor of this 650 01:59:04,718 --> 01:59:09,698 if it would have not been removing the first criteria. 651 01:59:09,698 --> 01:59:12,576 I would have been in favor of changing 652 01:59:12,576 --> 01:59:16,260 the phrase in furtherance of to some other thing, 653 01:59:16,260 --> 01:59:19,401 and I think that's even more important when 654 01:59:19,401 --> 01:59:22,720 we're considering changes to our comprehensive plan 655 01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,802 now to make it clearer. 656 01:59:24,802 --> 01:59:30,802 The problem in the past was that the comprehensive plan 657 01:59:32,816 --> 01:59:36,416 itself contained conflicting items, so anything 658 01:59:37,716 --> 01:59:41,409 would be found to be compliant or in furtherance of ITT. 659 01:59:41,409 --> 01:59:43,916 When we are changing our comprehensive plan, 660 01:59:43,916 --> 01:59:45,776 we remove those. 661 01:59:45,776 --> 01:59:49,976 We talked about a more concise document, 662 01:59:50,562 --> 01:59:55,416 so if we were to keep that in I could support this 663 01:59:55,416 --> 01:59:58,180 because I support every other part of it 664 01:59:58,180 --> 02:00:03,896 and all we need to do is change that in furtherance concept 665 02:00:03,896 --> 02:00:08,640 and change our comprehensive plan to be easier to work with, 666 02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,640 which we are already doing. 667 02:00:20,774 --> 02:00:23,448 Councilmember Geoff Blue: The developer of the McDonald's had 668 02:00:23,448 --> 02:00:26,994 updated the traffic study that was missing during the hearing. 669 02:00:26,994 --> 02:00:30,146 The second piece I want to point out 670 02:00:30,146 --> 02:00:34,108 is we had just rezone that area just two years before 671 02:00:34,108 --> 02:00:37,516 or something like that when we did the self storage. 672 02:00:37,516 --> 02:00:40,516 This isn't 10 or 15 years difference, 673 02:00:41,504 --> 02:00:45,468 this is just a few years before we changed the zoning, 674 02:00:45,468 --> 02:00:49,568 left in the restaurants and did not remove the restaurants 675 02:00:49,568 --> 02:00:52,669 and we ended up declining a restaurant even 676 02:00:52,669 --> 02:00:55,669 though it met the criteria. 677 02:01:04,336 --> 02:01:07,526 You started the process by asking questions about 678 02:01:07,526 --> 02:01:14,420 the length of time , I'm telling you in this situation it was 679 02:01:14,420 --> 02:01:16,198 just a two year process. 680 02:01:16,198 --> 02:01:22,798 At the end of the day, that's my piece on this. 681 02:01:29,365 --> 02:01:32,640 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Please respect our protocols. 682 02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:37,440 Do we have any further discussion or comments? 683 02:01:38,759 --> 02:01:41,159 please call the vote. 684 02:01:45,100 --> 02:01:47,100 [Voting] 685 02:01:56,536 --> 02:01:58,336 The motion passes. 686 02:01:58,336 --> 02:02:02,536 I will close the public hearing at 731 , 687 02:02:08,366 --> 02:02:13,766 and we are going to take a rest break. 688 02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:39,737 We are back and will go ahead and move 689 02:11:39,737 --> 02:11:45,137 on to the next item on the agenda, resolution 690 02:11:49,365 --> 02:11:51,365 26-49 691 02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:56,120 , a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle 692 02:11:56,120 --> 02:12:00,799 Pines, Colorado, adopting the city of Castle Pines annexation 693 02:12:00,799 --> 02:12:02,799 policy. 694 02:12:35,966 --> 02:12:40,472 Donna Ferguson: Your policy question tonight is does Council 695 02:12:40,472 --> 02:12:45,272 support the adoption of resolution 26-49 which approves 696 02:12:47,385 --> 02:12:50,320 the annexation policy establishing a comprehensive 697 02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:53,920 framework of guiding principles, evaluation criteria, 698 02:12:54,466 --> 02:12:59,333 and procedural requirements to guide how the city considers 699 02:12:59,333 --> 02:13:01,333 future annexations. 700 02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:10,620 Annexation is the process of adding territory to the city, 701 02:13:10,620 --> 02:13:13,693 and there are four steps to doing so. 702 02:13:13,693 --> 02:13:17,893 The first two are state statute procedures, 703 02:13:18,799 --> 02:13:21,510 and the last two are city procedures. 704 02:13:21,510 --> 02:13:25,110 The first is substantial requirement, required 705 02:13:26,506 --> 02:13:30,106 by the state, it's a determination 706 02:13:30,866 --> 02:13:34,900 of whether annexation requester has provided us 707 02:13:34,900 --> 02:13:39,600 all the information we need to review an annexation 708 02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:40,219 application. 709 02:13:40,219 --> 02:13:42,440 The second step is the eligibility, 710 02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:47,573 and this is where we go through the review criteria based 711 02:13:47,573 --> 02:13:54,800 on the state to see if a property that is in the county 712 02:13:54,800 --> 02:14:00,106 actually qualifies to be annexed by any city, not just ours. 713 02:14:00,106 --> 02:14:05,516 The third step is the annexation decision that is made by City 714 02:14:05,516 --> 02:14:07,516 Council . 715 02:14:11,291 --> 02:14:15,320 This is what the policy will help address and help guide, 716 02:14:15,320 --> 02:14:19,520 and the last step is the zoning . 717 02:14:25,739 --> 02:14:28,879 What are going to be the standards for development, 718 02:14:28,879 --> 02:14:33,679 this is the third step we are addressing . 719 02:14:37,643 --> 02:14:43,430 The city was incorporated in 2008 at which time approximately 720 02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:50,919 the city became a rural city in 2019, 721 02:14:51,933 --> 02:14:59,133 at which time we gained more local control of how we grow . 722 02:15:00,900 --> 02:15:03,984 There have been three major annexations that have increased 723 02:15:03,984 --> 02:15:07,296 the size since we have incorporated, 724 02:15:07,296 --> 02:15:10,296 we are now about 9.9mi². 725 02:15:14,660 --> 02:15:20,600 Currently we have no formal annexation policy in place, 726 02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:26,360 we did the previous annexations without one 727 02:15:27,888 --> 02:15:33,288 but with the presentation of an annexation crow's nest 728 02:15:35,666 --> 02:15:39,906 which we are all aware of, we realized 729 02:15:39,906 --> 02:15:43,120 we are in a state where we need to have some annexation 730 02:15:43,120 --> 02:15:46,120 guidelines so City Council directed 731 02:15:46,832 --> 02:15:50,432 us to pause the annexation request 732 02:15:50,740 --> 02:15:54,160 and reach out to the community and put together an annexation 733 02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:57,160 policy based on resident values. 734 02:16:08,440 --> 02:16:12,200 A formal policy will help applicants and residents 735 02:16:12,200 --> 02:16:17,600 set clear expectations of what the city would expect 736 02:16:18,808 --> 02:16:23,608 from an annexation, also be clear to residents 737 02:16:23,630 --> 02:16:28,360 about what is important to us based on their values. 738 02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:32,560 Will help provide complete information with annexations 739 02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:42,800 so that we can look at it comprehensively 740 02:16:42,720 --> 02:16:48,720 and comparatively, and it will help residents see the criteria 741 02:16:51,224 --> 02:16:56,850 that we are looking at and applying while still maintaining 742 02:16:56,850 --> 02:17:03,450 the discretion we have At Really this annexation policy is meant 743 02:21:32,803 --> 02:21:38,969 to be up front and available for somebody who Wants to annex, 744 02:21:38,969 --> 02:21:46,169 so they know right up Just because a proposal comes in it 745 02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:16,710 Just because -- an annexation proposal comes in I'm happy 746 02:23:44,363 --> 02:23:48,683 to answer any questions you might have about the process let 747 02:23:48,683 --> 02:23:50,683 me know. 748 02:23:56,430 --> 02:23:59,249 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Please hold your discussion and debate 749 02:23:59,249 --> 02:24:05,249 topics for when we have a motion on the table. 750 02:24:13,844 --> 02:24:16,344 Councilmember Kori Salazar: We had some suggestions from one 751 02:24:16,344 --> 02:24:18,234 of our community members about the process, 752 02:24:18,234 --> 02:24:22,365 it does not need to be included in this, 753 02:24:22,365 --> 02:24:25,803 but just to state there was some suggestion about timeline 754 02:24:25,803 --> 02:24:27,683 between when applicant applies and when 755 02:24:27,683 --> 02:24:31,283 they have to do public comment. 756 02:24:35,369 --> 02:24:41,969 Speaker: It had to do with public comment at the last 757 02:24:42,115 --> 02:24:46,419 meeting related to the timing between the public comment 758 02:24:46,419 --> 02:24:48,819 period and the submittal . 759 02:24:54,706 --> 02:24:57,499 Those are things we would build into the application process, 760 02:24:57,499 --> 02:25:01,183 if that was something Council wanted to see we would certainly 761 02:25:01,183 --> 02:25:04,363 build those things in and we can come back if there's 762 02:25:04,363 --> 02:25:06,883 a desire for that particular one, 763 02:25:06,883 --> 02:25:11,133 but if there's other things you want to see in the application 764 02:25:11,133 --> 02:25:14,123 process around timing but as you do 765 02:25:14,123 --> 02:25:18,323 with all applications on the administration side 766 02:25:18,383 --> 02:25:22,723 we develop what the process is, it ends up on our website 767 02:25:22,723 --> 02:25:29,923 so anybody that is interested can go and look at the process 768 02:25:30,387 --> 02:25:34,587 and understand what that timeline looks like. 769 02:25:42,830 --> 02:25:45,469 We would be clear on the website, 770 02:25:45,469 --> 02:25:47,869 so everybody understands that. 771 02:25:49,123 --> 02:25:52,723 The implementation of the process as 772 02:25:53,380 --> 02:25:55,780 opposed to the policy. 773 02:25:59,180 --> 02:26:02,180 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Additional questions? 774 02:26:04,294 --> 02:26:07,894 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I will refrain. 775 02:26:08,725 --> 02:26:13,525 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Any other questions for staff? 776 02:26:15,368 --> 02:26:16,743 Councilmember Nate Winegar: I had 777 02:26:16,743 --> 02:26:20,523 a question on the 30% open space, concerns 778 02:26:20,523 --> 02:26:25,923 with the wildlife corridors and understanding 30% which I think 779 02:26:28,343 --> 02:26:30,715 is a good number of realistic open space, 780 02:26:30,715 --> 02:26:35,515 but is there any definition of what discretion 781 02:26:36,339 --> 02:26:39,623 does the Council have during the process when 782 02:26:39,623 --> 02:26:43,823 presented with something what that 30% looks like. 783 02:26:49,403 --> 02:26:51,863 Donna Ferguson: You will have full discretion 784 02:26:51,863 --> 02:26:54,455 to determine if it's adequate open space for whatever 785 02:26:54,455 --> 02:26:59,255 values you have set forward in that policy. 786 02:27:00,360 --> 02:27:03,636 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Any additional questions? 787 02:27:05,834 --> 02:27:10,634 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: How many is a lot? 788 02:27:11,248 --> 02:27:12,831 Mayor Tracy Engerman: I'm going to ask 789 02:27:12,831 --> 02:27:15,560 you to hold your discussion back and forth until we 790 02:27:15,560 --> 02:27:16,523 get to discussion and debate. 791 02:27:16,523 --> 02:27:20,123 Do we have any staff questions? 792 02:27:23,243 --> 02:27:29,243 we will go ahead and I will entertain a motion. 793 02:27:52,403 --> 02:27:56,603 We begin discussion with Council member Mulvey. 794 02:27:59,513 --> 02:28:02,221 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: It would seem to be a minor change, 795 02:28:02,221 --> 02:28:07,379 but under guiding principles it calls for specific reference 796 02:28:07,379 --> 02:28:12,776 to the part of our policy that defines open space, 797 02:28:12,776 --> 02:28:17,123 and so it just adds three words to specifically refer 798 02:28:17,123 --> 02:28:24,150 to the rest of the section, and I think that comports with what 799 02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:28,430 our residents wanted and doesn't detract from the overall need 800 02:28:28,430 --> 02:28:30,443 to have the policy. 801 02:28:47,681 --> 02:28:50,403 Councilmember Geoff Blue: I know you said where it goes, 802 02:28:50,403 --> 02:28:52,555 but I'm lost in trying to find where you 803 02:28:52,555 --> 02:28:55,555 are putting those three words. 804 02:28:57,414 --> 02:28:58,956 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: There's 805 02:28:58,956 --> 02:29:03,376 two places, or three, in this policy that 806 02:29:03,376 --> 02:29:08,350 are kind of what we need to do. 807 02:29:08,350 --> 02:29:11,800 one is guiding principles, one is general policy, 808 02:29:11,800 --> 02:29:16,480 the next one is preferences pure rather than put 809 02:29:16,623 --> 02:29:19,623 something under preferences, I'm suggesting 810 02:29:19,843 --> 02:29:25,755 that when we mention our guiding principles under number three, 811 02:29:25,755 --> 02:29:29,355 we say preserve significant natural resources 812 02:29:29,987 --> 02:29:34,433 but then we define open space later in the document 813 02:29:34,433 --> 02:29:40,433 and so I am proposing that it's consistent to add 814 02:29:40,763 --> 02:29:43,683 open space there so that it makes direct reference 815 02:29:43,683 --> 02:29:46,830 to that later section. 816 02:29:48,831 --> 02:29:51,831 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Additional discussion? 817 02:29:57,520 --> 02:29:58,552 Councilmember Kori Salazar: You want 818 02:29:58,552 --> 02:30:02,752 to add and open space to C3? 819 02:30:06,568 --> 02:30:08,968 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: Yes. 820 02:30:15,529 --> 02:30:19,926 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: I feel like sometimes we in this 821 02:30:19,926 --> 02:30:24,783 council use the term a lot, and I'm curious about what the scale 822 02:30:24,783 --> 02:30:26,783 of that is . 823 02:30:33,500 --> 02:30:36,830 Councilmember Nate Winegar: It means on a routine basis of how 824 02:30:36,830 --> 02:30:40,816 many emails or people that were upset and brought up, 825 02:30:40,816 --> 02:30:46,216 I'd say it's brought up 35 to 40% of the time, 826 02:30:46,463 --> 02:30:50,796 there's a silent majority I never hear from 827 02:30:50,796 --> 02:30:57,351 but of the people I've spoken with who come to meetings , 828 02:30:57,351 --> 02:31:01,523 I would say it's about 35 to 40% of those people who really worry 829 02:31:01,523 --> 02:31:07,539 about the wildlife and that they have access corridors for some 830 02:31:07,539 --> 02:31:09,539 of these things . 831 02:31:20,733 --> 02:31:22,816 Councilmember Geoff Blue: I am in support of this, 832 02:31:22,816 --> 02:31:25,299 I really like the process we went through. 833 02:31:25,299 --> 02:31:27,827 I take exception to the comment earlier today 834 02:31:27,827 --> 02:31:30,133 that the annexation process was filled with holes 835 02:31:30,133 --> 02:31:33,683 and problematic or whatever the phrase that was used, 836 02:31:33,683 --> 02:31:36,491 I think we handled it perfectly appropriately at the time 837 02:31:36,491 --> 02:31:40,317 and went through the process and the things we needed to do. 838 02:31:40,317 --> 02:31:42,411 We stepped back when we got to a point 839 02:31:42,411 --> 02:31:45,753 that we decided we didn't have a good policy document in place 840 02:31:45,753 --> 02:31:49,299 to give us the framework within which we wanted to be making 841 02:31:49,299 --> 02:31:53,498 the decision, I think that's what this is about 842 02:31:53,498 --> 02:31:56,891 and so I am very happy with this. 843 02:31:56,891 --> 02:31:59,923 Tying this into other things, I think 844 02:31:59,923 --> 02:32:03,190 this policy highlights the fact this is a decision that belongs 845 02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:06,619 at the city council level, annexation, 846 02:32:06,923 --> 02:32:11,723 and if someone believes that annexation is problematic 847 02:32:11,993 --> 02:32:15,883 they always can go out and get signatures and do initiative 848 02:32:15,883 --> 02:32:18,163 on the specific annexation as opposed 849 02:32:18,163 --> 02:32:22,323 to making a requirement for all annexations to go to the voters. 850 02:32:22,323 --> 02:32:25,763 I think this policy helps guide that process, 851 02:32:25,763 --> 02:32:33,563 so I am in support of this policy for a lot of reasons. 852 02:32:43,826 --> 02:32:45,243 Councilmember Kori Salazar: I also 853 02:32:45,243 --> 02:32:47,443 appreciate the work that went into this, 854 02:32:47,443 --> 02:32:50,203 and how much of the community was involved 855 02:32:50,203 --> 02:32:54,633 and how many community members expressed their desires, 856 02:32:54,633 --> 02:32:57,613 they gave feedback, they attended meetings. 857 02:32:57,613 --> 02:33:01,423 That's something we want to continue to have, 858 02:33:01,423 --> 02:33:03,203 and I think this policy integrates 859 02:33:03,203 --> 02:33:07,403 a lot of their concerns and also a lot of their criteria 860 02:33:07,403 --> 02:33:09,819 that we want to have for our city 861 02:33:09,819 --> 02:33:15,315 to have high standards, so we attract high quality people that 862 02:33:15,315 --> 02:33:17,883 want to protect the land and the wildlife. 863 02:33:17,883 --> 02:33:21,630 One thing the residents always ask about 864 02:33:21,630 --> 02:33:25,987 is wanting more businesses and retail, wanting more restaurants 865 02:33:25,987 --> 02:33:29,830 and our parks maintained and roads maintained. 866 02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:32,454 For us to do that, we need to grow 867 02:33:32,454 --> 02:33:34,496 and I think this policy allows us 868 02:33:34,496 --> 02:33:38,980 to grow in a way that protects what we have, but then grows it 869 02:33:38,980 --> 02:33:41,179 to a thoughtful manner. 870 02:33:41,179 --> 02:33:47,179 So, I am supportive of this and excited about it. 871 02:33:54,313 --> 02:33:56,900 Mayor Tracy Engerman: It was great to see the community come 872 02:33:56,900 --> 02:33:58,459 out and make sure their voice was heard in this policy. 873 02:33:58,459 --> 02:34:01,811 The reason we started with this is because the community came 874 02:34:01,811 --> 02:34:05,915 out, and we also recognized that we needed some guidance from 875 02:34:05,915 --> 02:34:09,183 what the community needed to see for its future and what it looks 876 02:34:09,183 --> 02:34:12,783 like when we are analyzing annexations . 877 02:34:14,163 --> 02:34:18,163 I hope the community feels like their voice was heard, 878 02:34:18,163 --> 02:34:20,878 we encompass a lot of the things that were mentioned 879 02:34:20,878 --> 02:34:23,530 between the survey and open houses and all 880 02:34:23,530 --> 02:34:24,763 the other outreach that we had. 881 02:34:24,763 --> 02:34:28,523 This was absolutely in conjunction and collaboration 882 02:34:28,523 --> 02:34:33,563 with the community trying to incorporate their voices here, 883 02:34:33,563 --> 02:34:36,856 and I think it's important that we have clarity for anyone that 884 02:34:36,856 --> 02:34:40,543 wants to become a stakeholder in Castle Pines, 885 02:34:40,543 --> 02:34:43,923 and this policy document creates that additional clarity 886 02:34:43,923 --> 02:34:51,123 for what we have an expectation for our community in the future. 887 02:34:52,163 --> 02:34:54,563 Please call the vote. 888 02:35:06,563 --> 02:35:08,563 The motion passes. 889 02:35:22,403 --> 02:35:29,300 Resolution 26-53, A resolution of the city Council of the city 890 02:35:33,536 --> 02:35:35,683 of Castle Pines Colorado expressing opposition 891 02:35:35,683 --> 02:35:38,330 to a ballot measure which would amend the city charter 892 02:35:38,330 --> 02:35:40,899 to require voter approval for certain annexations in excess 893 02:35:40,899 --> 02:35:42,899 of 20 acres. 894 02:35:51,977 --> 02:35:57,977 Mayor Tracy Engerman: I have a motion and a second. 895 02:35:59,511 --> 02:36:01,694 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: I was torn on this one, 896 02:36:01,694 --> 02:36:04,595 on one side I understand having resident input 897 02:36:04,595 --> 02:36:11,103 but on the other side, to me 20 acres is not a lot. 898 02:36:11,103 --> 02:36:15,229 It seems to me any annexation would have a vote for it, 899 02:36:15,229 --> 02:36:21,300 I also want to reiterate that we have discretion for everyone. 900 02:36:21,300 --> 02:36:23,499 Even if we don't support this measure, 901 02:36:23,499 --> 02:36:28,579 that doesn't mean we don't take that into account when we vote. 902 02:36:28,579 --> 02:36:35,779 For those reasons, I am in favor of opposition of this -- 903 02:36:36,589 --> 02:36:41,183 I'm in favor of approving this measure which is in opposition. 904 02:36:41,183 --> 02:36:43,583 That's my comment, mayor. 905 02:36:48,168 --> 02:36:50,585 Councilmember Ron Cole: I struggled with this one a little 906 02:36:50,585 --> 02:36:55,385 bit because I really want more city input , 907 02:36:58,540 --> 02:37:00,789 but we need to maintain the flexibility for us to make 908 02:37:00,789 --> 02:37:09,189 a decision for the city to grow , so I'm in favor of saying no. 909 02:37:14,476 --> 02:37:18,825 Councilmember Kori Salazar: I also support opposition of this. 910 02:37:18,825 --> 02:37:22,363 The reason is I did some research, 911 02:37:22,363 --> 02:37:27,483 and none of our neighbors in lone Tree, Parker, or castle 912 02:37:27,483 --> 02:37:30,389 Rock specifically have this as a policy which 913 02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:34,563 means if this is our policy, we are not 914 02:37:34,563 --> 02:37:40,563 attractive to any developers and that means our neighbors are. 915 02:37:41,387 --> 02:37:45,403 As an example, across from the canyons, 916 02:37:45,403 --> 02:37:50,416 if the property wants to annex into lone tree, 917 02:37:50,416 --> 02:37:55,768 we have no say over how much open space there is going to be, 918 02:37:55,768 --> 02:37:57,807 if it's going to protect the wildlife. 919 02:37:57,807 --> 02:38:00,655 Lone tree can decide they want to put 920 02:38:00,655 --> 02:38:05,256 affordable housing, high density apartments, many of the things 921 02:38:05,256 --> 02:38:07,430 we do not want in our community but that 922 02:38:07,430 --> 02:38:08,923 would be in our community because they 923 02:38:08,923 --> 02:38:10,300 are right next to us. 924 02:38:10,300 --> 02:38:12,895 We would have no say over it because we are basically 925 02:38:12,895 --> 02:38:16,495 closing the door for any conversation, 926 02:38:16,651 --> 02:38:21,890 like I mentioned if we are the only city where a developer has 927 02:38:21,890 --> 02:38:24,783 to go to a vote of the people, it links the amount of time 928 02:38:24,783 --> 02:38:29,583 and also increases their uncertainty and probably cost, 929 02:38:29,629 --> 02:38:31,963 so they are going to go to our neighbors 930 02:38:31,963 --> 02:38:35,500 and then we are stuck with whatever our neighbors decide, 931 02:38:35,500 --> 02:38:39,723 I think it is in the city's best interest 932 02:38:39,723 --> 02:38:43,923 to not approve this vote, because we 933 02:38:44,270 --> 02:38:46,491 went through this whole annexation policy process 934 02:38:46,491 --> 02:38:50,583 to get the community input to make sure we have a policy that 935 02:38:50,583 --> 02:38:52,583 supports the community. 936 02:39:06,466 --> 02:39:09,483 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I am by nature and definition 937 02:39:09,483 --> 02:39:13,643 always opposed to telling people how to vote. 938 02:39:13,643 --> 02:39:17,451 I strongly believe in our Constitution and citizens rights 939 02:39:17,451 --> 02:39:22,251 to express their freedom and our collective rights 940 02:39:22,623 --> 02:39:25,623 to our freedom of speech. 941 02:39:27,923 --> 02:39:32,613 Our policy was actually a knee jerk reaction 942 02:39:32,613 --> 02:39:34,237 to learning about this. 943 02:39:34,237 --> 02:39:39,315 I think it had a great result, but the citizens chose 944 02:39:39,315 --> 02:39:47,115 to persist with this process , I think they are valid and I think 945 02:39:49,235 --> 02:39:52,235 the voters need to decide. 946 02:39:59,603 --> 02:40:05,843 It took this much to get us to that annexation policy, 947 02:40:05,843 --> 02:40:09,443 and a lot of citizen involvement . 948 02:40:12,785 --> 02:40:18,785 They may be very happy now with what is produced . 949 02:40:19,289 --> 02:40:23,411 The third reason might just be the principle I believe in that 950 02:40:23,411 --> 02:40:28,211 it doesn't matter what party you are in , 951 02:40:34,367 --> 02:40:37,931 we are a democratic republic that allows our residents 952 02:40:37,931 --> 02:40:45,656 to vote, and we put it on the ballot in our consent agenda we 953 02:40:45,656 --> 02:40:49,453 should not be putting our finger on the scale by having this 954 02:40:49,453 --> 02:40:52,582 in our agenda and by having this conversation, 955 02:40:52,582 --> 02:40:56,600 we have by definition told people what we think and we 956 02:40:56,600 --> 02:41:01,660 could have done that without telling them how to vote . 957 02:41:01,660 --> 02:41:06,460 So, I strongly oppose it for those reasons. 958 02:41:09,801 --> 02:41:11,968 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: I see it differently, I 959 02:41:11,968 --> 02:41:16,216 don't see this resolution telling people how to vote. 960 02:41:16,216 --> 02:41:19,190 This also doesn't mean it won't move forward, 961 02:41:19,190 --> 02:41:22,116 what this is saying is that those of us 962 02:41:22,116 --> 02:41:24,130 tonight who vote yes for the opposition, 963 02:41:24,130 --> 02:41:26,187 we don't support that. 964 02:41:26,187 --> 02:41:29,303 That doesn't change what actually happened, 965 02:41:29,303 --> 02:41:33,387 it's just our opposition so I want to be clear about that. 966 02:41:33,387 --> 02:41:36,460 We aren't saying you should or should not vote for it, 967 02:41:36,460 --> 02:41:39,403 we are saying those of us who will vote yes 968 02:41:39,403 --> 02:41:41,803 don't necessarily support that. 969 02:41:49,863 --> 02:41:52,363 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: The distinction I seek to make 970 02:41:52,363 --> 02:41:54,939 is that we each could have done so privately. 971 02:41:54,939 --> 02:41:57,623 Many times we've received talking points and information 972 02:41:57,623 --> 02:42:01,223 we can disseminate privately by approving 973 02:42:01,223 --> 02:42:03,183 this sort of resolution which contained 974 02:42:03,183 --> 02:42:08,300 many whereas clauses and many sections, we are as a body 975 02:42:08,300 --> 02:42:15,203 weighing in and I do not think that is appropriate, thank you. 976 02:42:17,214 --> 02:42:20,160 Councilmember Geoff Blue: I don't 977 02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:23,803 want to totally repeat everything I said, 978 02:42:23,803 --> 02:42:27,263 but what I said at the end of the annexation policy 979 02:42:27,263 --> 02:42:29,663 kind of applies here. 980 02:42:29,723 --> 02:42:35,560 I think the initiatives are a bad idea for our city, 981 02:42:35,560 --> 02:42:40,456 I think they are constraining the representative system we 982 02:42:41,348 --> 02:42:45,430 have set up, I think the city council is better 983 02:42:45,430 --> 02:42:49,576 served to do the negotiation and handling the annexation 984 02:42:49,576 --> 02:42:54,403 and it's been a process to have the City 985 02:42:54,403 --> 02:42:56,803 Council make a decision. 986 02:42:56,931 --> 02:42:59,343 If there's a problem or a lot of opposition 987 02:42:59,343 --> 02:43:03,813 to a specific annexation, they can get the vote and signatures 988 02:43:03,813 --> 02:43:07,963 and go out and run an initiative to overturn it. 989 02:43:07,963 --> 02:43:12,163 I'm very much opposed to the initiatives , 990 02:43:16,619 --> 02:43:21,300 frankly I've struggled with whether we should pass this 991 02:43:21,300 --> 02:43:22,173 resolution. 992 02:43:22,173 --> 02:43:27,573 I am sympathetic to what Councilwoman Mulvey is saying. 993 02:43:33,523 --> 02:43:39,523 I kind of disagree on what Councilor Eubanks has said. 994 02:43:46,149 --> 02:43:51,443 I'm not certain how I'm going to vote until my vote comes, 995 02:43:51,443 --> 02:43:54,891 but I did want to be very clear about my opposition 996 02:43:54,891 --> 02:43:59,253 to the initiatives, I think the annexation policy does 997 02:43:59,253 --> 02:44:04,299 what needs to be done and sets up a nice system where we have 998 02:44:04,299 --> 02:44:09,923 a good framework within which to analyze any annexation that 999 02:44:09,923 --> 02:44:14,633 comes to us, and my expectation is we will see something. 1000 02:44:14,633 --> 02:44:19,458 We have land to the south of us, land to the north of us, 1001 02:44:19,458 --> 02:44:26,530 east of us -- a bunch of homes, who knows what they want to do 1002 02:44:26,530 --> 02:44:28,344 so I expect we will see something in the future and I 1003 02:44:28,344 --> 02:44:30,469 think we need to have the flexibility to analyze it 1004 02:44:30,469 --> 02:44:35,363 on a case by case basis and make good decisions and meet 1005 02:44:35,363 --> 02:44:39,363 our citizens needs and our desire to keep the character 1006 02:44:39,363 --> 02:44:41,363 of our city. 1007 02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:47,880 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Additional comments? 1008 02:44:48,986 --> 02:44:50,403 Councilmember Nate Winegar: I want 1009 02:44:50,403 --> 02:44:52,189 to say that I do respect and appreciate 1010 02:44:52,189 --> 02:44:57,363 the passion of the citizens in the community and their voice. 1011 02:44:57,363 --> 02:45:01,387 I think we've come a long way since I've joined the Council 1012 02:45:01,387 --> 02:45:04,203 on making efforts to hear the voice and creating different 1013 02:45:04,203 --> 02:45:07,923 ways to make sure that we are getting their input and creating 1014 02:45:07,923 --> 02:45:10,323 multiple opportunities for that . 1015 02:45:12,603 --> 02:45:15,371 I also respect Council Member Mulvey 1016 02:45:15,371 --> 02:45:17,867 and respect your stance on this. 1017 02:45:17,867 --> 02:45:20,929 I've already spoken out on this, I 1018 02:45:20,929 --> 02:45:24,936 think that there are unintended consequences sometimes 1019 02:45:24,936 --> 02:45:29,303 about good intention and well meaning of people, 1020 02:45:29,303 --> 02:45:35,235 and I think that I understand and am sympathetic to reasoning 1021 02:45:35,235 --> 02:45:39,830 as to why they feel like this is something that needs to happen 1022 02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:43,883 and I also feel like there are unintended consequences that 1023 02:45:43,883 --> 02:45:48,483 can severely impact the city of Castle Pines, its growth, 1024 02:45:48,483 --> 02:45:51,483 its finances and its character. 1025 02:45:52,563 --> 02:45:58,563 And for that reason, I will be voting in opposition. 1026 02:46:06,393 --> 02:46:08,643 Mayor Tracy Engerman: I understand some of the council 1027 02:46:08,643 --> 02:46:10,225 members hesitance for not wanting 1028 02:46:10,225 --> 02:46:14,229 to weigh in on this as a resolution, 1029 02:46:14,229 --> 02:46:21,429 but for me, this resolution, us not doing this resolution to me 1030 02:46:22,747 --> 02:46:25,919 doesn't stand as us remaining neutral, 1031 02:46:25,919 --> 02:46:29,703 I think it's us withholding information from our citizens. 1032 02:46:29,703 --> 02:46:33,363 We have information from sitting at this dais and what it looks 1033 02:46:33,363 --> 02:46:36,969 like to pass anything else in front of us 1034 02:46:36,969 --> 02:46:38,923 including annexation, and we have 1035 02:46:38,923 --> 02:46:42,747 knowledge from sitting here and learning those things, 1036 02:46:42,747 --> 02:46:45,723 and for us not to weigh in to make statements 1037 02:46:45,723 --> 02:46:49,627 about what kind of impact if this measure were to pass, 1038 02:46:49,627 --> 02:46:52,523 we are doing a disservice to our community 1039 02:46:52,523 --> 02:46:55,433 and that's why I believe we need to actually weigh in 1040 02:46:55,433 --> 02:46:59,330 with the resolution in this case. 1041 02:47:01,523 --> 02:47:05,723 This ballot measure, if it passes, essentially 1042 02:47:06,995 --> 02:47:12,696 sets up a binary choice to residents about yes or no 1043 02:47:12,696 --> 02:47:15,603 on an annexation, it doesn't give you 1044 02:47:15,603 --> 02:47:19,343 an opportunity to negotiate on what is best for the community. 1045 02:47:19,343 --> 02:47:22,328 It's whatever the developer puts in front of us, 1046 02:47:22,328 --> 02:47:25,478 and then we vote on it. 1047 02:47:25,478 --> 02:47:27,473 It really gives us no opportunities 1048 02:47:27,473 --> 02:47:33,473 to make things better in an annexation possibility, I don't 1049 02:47:33,699 --> 02:47:36,416 think we are actually going to see 1050 02:47:36,416 --> 02:47:38,783 any annexations if this measure passes, 1051 02:47:38,783 --> 02:47:43,830 which means oftentimes we are not at the table for annexation 1052 02:47:43,830 --> 02:47:46,683 options, we are on the table. 1053 02:47:47,189 --> 02:47:50,189 For that, call a motion. 1054 02:47:57,338 --> 02:47:58,838 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I move 1055 02:47:58,838 --> 02:48:03,169 to amend the resolution to only section one, state 1056 02:48:03,169 --> 02:48:07,403 all the things we have affirmed about the City Council's 1057 02:48:07,403 --> 02:48:10,270 position and the impact it might have, 1058 02:48:10,270 --> 02:48:15,691 and it would simply remove that one item about how 1059 02:48:15,691 --> 02:48:20,483 to vote the opposition part, everything else would remain. 1060 02:48:20,483 --> 02:48:27,683 My motion to clarify is to amend the resolution to remove only 1061 02:48:29,307 --> 02:48:34,707 section one, which states opposition to the ballot measure 1062 02:48:35,783 --> 02:48:37,783 and so forth . 1063 02:48:44,546 --> 02:48:48,430 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Hearing none, the amendment dies. 1064 02:48:48,430 --> 02:48:52,243 Please call a vote for the motion. 1065 02:49:07,546 --> 02:49:09,946 Clerk: The motion passes. 1066 02:49:15,429 --> 02:49:22,629 Mayor Tracy Engerman: We are moving on to the very last one. 1067 02:49:28,861 --> 02:49:31,444 Resolution 26-54, A Resolution of the City Council of the City 1068 02:49:31,444 --> 02:49:32,670 of Castle Colorado Approving the 2026 Economic Development 1069 02:49:32,670 --> 02:49:34,670 Strategic Plan 1070 02:49:34,702 --> 02:49:35,202 . 1071 02:49:35,202 --> 02:49:40,602 our staff presentation given by city manager Michael Benning. 1072 02:49:52,423 --> 02:49:56,230 Michael Benning: The policy question -- 1073 02:50:12,683 --> 02:50:17,483 does Council support adoption of the resolution approving 1074 02:50:18,963 --> 02:50:22,563 the city's economic development strategic plan? 1075 02:50:24,653 --> 02:50:28,149 I just want to point out as a side note 1076 02:50:28,149 --> 02:50:31,360 we are trying to standardize some of our presentations 1077 02:50:31,360 --> 02:50:35,923 so you see a lot of the same types of process 1078 02:50:35,923 --> 02:50:38,923 and policy presentation similar, that's 1079 02:50:41,379 --> 02:50:44,787 why you see these in here. 1080 02:50:44,787 --> 02:50:47,493 In developing the strategic plan, 1081 02:50:47,493 --> 02:50:51,510 really want to focus on the lower part of the slide. 1082 02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:55,991 The consultants I am not going to go back through 1083 02:50:55,991 --> 02:50:57,903 because you've heard from them before, 1084 02:50:57,903 --> 02:51:01,851 but they came to understand what the market was, defined 1085 02:51:01,851 --> 02:51:04,851 that strategy and proposed actions 1086 02:51:05,843 --> 02:51:09,443 for us through the implementation strategies. 1087 02:51:09,509 --> 02:51:16,109 I do have Handouts that are large if anyone wants those 1088 02:51:20,603 --> 02:51:25,403 for their shelf or whatever you might have . 1089 02:51:26,856 --> 02:51:31,203 In the market findings, I'm sure you saw in both the staff 1090 02:51:31,203 --> 02:51:33,923 memo and the presentation I think 1091 02:51:33,923 --> 02:51:37,443 there's some repeats with some different words in here, 1092 02:51:37,443 --> 02:51:42,843 but we really operate more as that residential hub, 1093 02:51:43,523 --> 02:51:45,656 and what has happened both to the north 1094 02:51:45,656 --> 02:51:51,560 and our south is they have created strong retail 1095 02:51:52,763 --> 02:51:55,853 both from a park meadow standpoint, 1096 02:51:55,853 --> 02:52:00,643 but they've got headquarters for lots of corporations 1097 02:52:00,643 --> 02:52:03,603 and standard employee base in the South 1098 02:52:03,603 --> 02:52:06,603 primarily in the services industry 1099 02:52:07,930 --> 02:52:11,849 through the outlet stores and dining, those kinds of things. 1100 02:52:11,849 --> 02:52:19,649 We leave the city to do that, we repeat ourselves a little bit. 1101 02:52:21,923 --> 02:52:24,323 Organic development is occurring, 1102 02:52:24,659 --> 02:52:28,683 we know we have primarily three major property 1103 02:52:28,683 --> 02:52:34,830 owners in town that are all very experienced developers. 1104 02:52:35,603 --> 02:52:38,963 They don't call us and ask us to help them find anything, 1105 02:52:38,963 --> 02:52:42,563 they have brought us development opportunities. 1106 02:52:50,300 --> 02:52:53,579 establishing job centers outside the city 1107 02:52:53,579 --> 02:52:57,149 could have some limiting factor on us, 1108 02:52:57,149 --> 02:53:01,303 I don't know that I would emphasize prohibiting it 1109 02:53:01,303 --> 02:53:06,703 but certainly there are other kinds of gravitational pulls, 1110 02:53:07,300 --> 02:53:08,656 especially in lone tree. 1111 02:53:08,656 --> 02:53:13,403 We do have the purchasing power, if the retail and service 1112 02:53:13,403 --> 02:53:18,300 industry comes here we certainly can be supported by the existing 1113 02:53:18,300 --> 02:53:21,983 community and hopefully pull some of the regional support 1114 02:53:21,983 --> 02:53:22,613 here. 1115 02:53:22,613 --> 02:53:26,813 The west side is mainly built out, 1116 02:53:29,157 --> 02:53:36,357 I have a little bit of updates but essentially the west side 1117 02:53:36,731 --> 02:53:38,731 is 100% leased. 1118 02:53:42,437 --> 02:53:44,837 they are investor owned . 1119 02:53:48,579 --> 02:53:55,179 Parkway Plaza has three parcels left, but that is very minimal. 1120 02:53:55,475 --> 02:54:01,475 The east side is really where we have an opportunity , 1121 02:54:04,710 --> 02:54:06,491 you will see this in the future slides. 1122 02:54:06,491 --> 02:54:10,283 Really what I think the role for the city and the council 1123 02:54:10,283 --> 02:54:14,283 is, goes to your approval of this 1124 02:54:14,283 --> 02:54:19,309 is not being on the front end trying to recruit the businesses 1125 02:54:19,309 --> 02:54:22,309 but creating policies and ordinances 1126 02:54:23,123 --> 02:54:25,769 so that the built environment looks 1127 02:54:25,769 --> 02:54:31,169 and feels like you want to ultimately see partnering 1128 02:54:33,703 --> 02:54:37,903 with the developers and those public spaces, 1129 02:54:38,835 --> 02:54:40,939 we will get to that in a little bit. 1130 02:54:40,939 --> 02:54:43,860 This basically says what I just said. 1131 02:54:43,860 --> 02:54:47,820 In this slide, it really illustrates what that is. 1132 02:54:47,820 --> 02:54:51,667 We know it's coming, so to reiterate back 1133 02:54:51,667 --> 02:54:55,267 to the other conversation, are you 1134 02:54:56,113 --> 02:54:58,891 happy with what is in the design guidelines 1135 02:54:58,891 --> 02:55:00,896 and if not let's look at amending those 1136 02:55:00,896 --> 02:55:04,763 so we can really work on those upstream things so 1137 02:55:04,763 --> 02:55:07,923 the businesses that are negotiating with the property 1138 02:55:07,923 --> 02:55:11,469 owners directly and then coming to the city 1139 02:55:11,469 --> 02:55:14,875 once they purchase a sale agreement 1140 02:55:14,875 --> 02:55:20,643 or whatever the issue happens to be, ten at least or something, 1141 02:55:20,643 --> 02:55:24,103 the expectations are clear and they know what to expect 1142 02:55:24,103 --> 02:55:27,376 and through those expectations your adoption 1143 02:55:27,376 --> 02:55:31,283 of update of the regulations or ordinances 1144 02:55:31,283 --> 02:55:34,229 create the environment you ultimately want to see 1145 02:55:34,229 --> 02:55:37,475 and the infrastructure policy alignment really 1146 02:55:37,475 --> 02:55:40,667 ties into the best private investment 1147 02:55:40,667 --> 02:55:42,448 that I have ever seen. 1148 02:55:42,448 --> 02:55:47,248 I think if you talk to your colleagues , 1149 02:55:50,483 --> 02:55:55,283 its public investment into the right of way. 1150 02:56:02,963 --> 02:56:07,243 One of the recommendations later on deals with specifics 1151 02:56:07,243 --> 02:56:12,363 related to where is the library going to be 1152 02:56:12,363 --> 02:56:17,163 and how can those be incubators for other businesses 1153 02:56:17,163 --> 02:56:19,163 around there. 1154 02:56:22,763 --> 02:56:28,163 Through those ultimately early actions we improve the quality , 1155 02:56:34,963 --> 02:56:39,163 so we create our own gravitational pull . 1156 02:56:44,709 --> 02:56:48,936 This kind of breaks down just a little bit similar to what I was 1157 02:56:48,936 --> 02:56:50,936 just saying . 1158 02:56:52,386 --> 02:56:56,591 On the town center property on the west side, 1159 02:56:56,591 --> 02:57:00,908 that corridor has potential which is about 120 acres 1160 02:57:00,908 --> 02:57:04,595 and I think I mentioned during the council budget retreat 1161 02:57:04,595 --> 02:57:09,883 one of the things that at some point we may bring to you, 1162 02:57:09,883 --> 02:57:14,683 we might want to frontload as an example 1163 02:57:18,203 --> 02:57:21,803 of the public infrastructure being invested 1164 02:57:21,963 --> 02:57:26,763 because it is the developer's responsibility, pushing that 1165 02:57:27,443 --> 02:57:28,296 forward. 1166 02:57:28,296 --> 02:57:31,715 Definitely again having conversations with the property 1167 02:57:31,715 --> 02:57:35,574 owner on the east side, a lot of you 1168 02:57:35,574 --> 02:57:39,793 have said you better do that commercial development 1169 02:57:39,793 --> 02:57:43,993 and bring that main street here, I 1170 02:57:45,829 --> 02:57:48,489 think that's really the role that we can play 1171 02:57:48,489 --> 02:57:53,730 is making sure that as the development is on the east side 1172 02:57:53,730 --> 02:57:56,673 that council is communicating our expectations 1173 02:57:57,443 --> 02:58:02,843 around that public space, because that is not necessarily 1174 02:58:03,343 --> 02:58:06,843 what the developer is going to do on their own. 1175 02:58:06,843 --> 02:58:12,843 I think we are generally blessed with high quality expectation, 1176 02:58:13,896 --> 02:58:20,496 so luckily we are generally in alignment on the east side. 1177 02:58:21,243 --> 02:58:25,443 Council has very much supported our organization, 1178 02:58:28,662 --> 02:58:34,620 we are not looking to add a staff member . 1179 02:58:52,523 --> 02:58:56,723 More internally is using key performance indicators, 1180 02:58:57,643 --> 02:59:00,831 we will be starting to work on that 1181 02:59:00,831 --> 02:59:04,643 and it would tie into the city's dashboard. 1182 02:59:04,643 --> 02:59:09,443 We would certainly build that, I've already referred 1183 02:59:11,263 --> 02:59:16,609 to discussions around the library saying how we can best 1184 02:59:16,609 --> 02:59:19,609 support on the east side . 1185 02:59:21,828 --> 02:59:26,280 They do recommend establishing clear commercial positioning 1186 02:59:26,630 --> 02:59:30,349 statement, I think as a good partnership on the east side 1187 02:59:30,349 --> 02:59:33,643 they have been very clear with us on the meetings 1188 02:59:33,643 --> 02:59:37,656 and they want to incorporate the council 1189 02:59:37,656 --> 02:59:40,656 and adopt into the commercial. 1190 02:59:41,979 --> 02:59:48,763 We don't ultimately know what that looks like, but by the time 1191 02:59:48,763 --> 02:59:53,563 the council had approved that, the commercial development 1192 02:59:54,503 --> 02:59:59,883 we very much believe they are going to build that and so 1193 02:59:59,883 --> 03:00:02,589 it helped to maintain or establish 1194 03:00:02,589 --> 03:00:04,171 that commercial identity. 1195 03:00:04,171 --> 03:00:07,771 So again, they did the assessment 1196 03:00:08,270 --> 03:00:11,896 of the current standing with the economics, demographics, 1197 03:00:11,896 --> 03:00:15,673 the business climate was they did talk to our property owners 1198 03:00:15,673 --> 03:00:20,296 in addition to the residents and key stakeholders. 1199 03:00:20,296 --> 03:00:23,389 They ultimately are defining a road, 1200 03:00:23,389 --> 03:00:26,389 identifying those opportunities for growth, 1201 03:00:27,923 --> 03:00:30,323 location for infrastructure needs 1202 03:00:30,456 --> 03:00:35,256 I just talked about and long term strategies 1203 03:00:36,963 --> 03:00:41,743 that I needed to print on 11 by 17 to be able to see it, 1204 03:00:41,743 --> 03:00:43,989 that is what it looks like on the screen. 1205 03:00:43,989 --> 03:00:48,960 One of the things we will start working on 1206 03:00:48,960 --> 03:00:51,696 is of those short term pieces. 1207 03:00:52,927 --> 03:00:54,385 There are some of those longer term 1208 03:00:54,385 --> 03:00:57,422 pieces that I think tie into things like the design 1209 03:00:57,422 --> 03:01:01,220 guidelines, and what we are really 1210 03:01:01,182 --> 03:01:03,797 thinking about and working with Council on how do we 1211 03:01:03,797 --> 03:01:07,395 create that regulatory framework so that businesses that 1212 03:01:07,395 --> 03:01:13,995 come here are the quality type of buildings that you all 1213 03:01:14,115 --> 03:01:16,115 want to see. 1214 03:01:17,382 --> 03:01:22,927 We are really keen on this, what your leverage is so you're going 1215 03:01:22,927 --> 03:01:24,518 to see this on a regular basis. 1216 03:01:24,518 --> 03:01:28,120 It sets the guidance for development, strength 1217 03:01:28,120 --> 03:01:30,448 and local services, economic vitality, 1218 03:01:30,448 --> 03:01:33,278 community character and long term quality of life. 1219 03:01:33,278 --> 03:01:36,928 It doesn't establish an aggressive or business specific 1220 03:01:36,928 --> 03:01:39,242 recruitment program, because again, 1221 03:01:39,242 --> 03:01:42,430 I think our unique property ownership in terms 1222 03:01:42,430 --> 03:01:48,550 of the undeveloped land that is not what they have ever asked 1223 03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:53,707 of the city, and because the current environment on the west 1224 03:01:53,707 --> 03:01:58,110 side is least, and as you know the property owners 1225 03:01:58,110 --> 03:02:03,510 in the Safeway property village no, that one's -- 1226 03:02:03,822 --> 03:02:06,822 what's the Safeway one called? 1227 03:02:07,326 --> 03:02:09,294 That's not important. 1228 03:02:09,294 --> 03:02:12,770 They have been very specific about we 1229 03:02:12,770 --> 03:02:15,862 will call you don't call us type of thing. 1230 03:02:15,862 --> 03:02:19,620 So the consultants heard that and really wanted 1231 03:02:19,620 --> 03:02:23,142 to honor that given we have again, a unique situation. 1232 03:02:23,142 --> 03:02:26,928 Ten, 20, 30 years from now that very much could change. 1233 03:02:26,928 --> 03:02:30,222 And we would be more in line with other communities that 1234 03:02:30,222 --> 03:02:32,982 are looking to support backfill, and redevelopment 1235 03:02:32,982 --> 03:02:34,582 and those kinds of things. 1236 03:02:34,582 --> 03:02:37,502 But that's not where we are at, but identify 1237 03:02:37,502 --> 03:02:39,428 any specific concerns incentives, 1238 03:02:39,428 --> 03:02:46,280 but again we are not looking to propose additional staff it's 1239 03:02:47,286 --> 03:02:51,620 really around the policy making and those property 1240 03:02:51,620 --> 03:02:57,662 investments that is what we can do to support and influence 1241 03:02:58,942 --> 03:03:01,595 future business in our community. 1242 03:03:01,595 --> 03:03:04,513 So we believe that they did a good job, 1243 03:03:04,513 --> 03:03:09,262 we believe that the plan has a realistic strategic framework 1244 03:03:09,262 --> 03:03:15,262 that we can start working on this plan this evening, 1245 03:03:16,107 --> 03:03:17,524 there's no immediate fiscal impact 1246 03:03:17,524 --> 03:03:21,200 as I just said we will be working if council approves it, 1247 03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:24,200 on 27 implementation component from here. 1248 03:03:24,158 --> 03:03:30,272 And if there are some components to that those will be included 1249 03:03:30,272 --> 03:03:33,822 in the 27 proposal for you so we propose 1250 03:03:33,822 --> 03:03:38,220 that you approve resolution 2654 adopting the Resolution 1251 03:03:39,622 --> 03:03:44,422 Strategic Plan and there's a proposed motion here. 1252 03:03:44,539 --> 03:03:47,122 >> Council members do you have any questions for staff at this 1253 03:03:47,122 --> 03:03:49,122 time? 1254 03:03:54,465 --> 03:03:56,632 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: This was an investment 1255 03:03:56,632 --> 03:03:58,310 that we all agreed on but for the public's sake 1256 03:03:58,310 --> 03:03:59,602 could you share the consultant? 1257 03:03:59,602 --> 03:04:06,202 And if you don't have the exact, maybe the ballpark perhaps? 1258 03:04:06,977 --> 03:04:10,322 >> We think of a 65000, but if you want we can confirm 1259 03:04:10,322 --> 03:04:13,322 and communicate that to council. 1260 03:04:15,665 --> 03:04:17,582 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Any additional questions 1261 03:04:17,582 --> 03:04:19,462 come out Councilmember Cole? 1262 03:04:19,462 --> 03:04:22,326 Councilmember Ron Cole: Not so much a question 1263 03:04:22,326 --> 03:04:25,922 but a Mayor Tracy Engerman: Can I 1264 03:04:25,922 --> 03:04:27,422 ask you to hold it until discussion? 1265 03:04:27,422 --> 03:04:28,700 Okay. 1266 03:04:28,700 --> 03:04:29,366 Thank you. 1267 03:04:29,366 --> 03:04:33,150 All right comment any further questions for staff? 1268 03:04:33,150 --> 03:04:34,399 All right. 1269 03:04:34,399 --> 03:04:38,742 May I have a motion to begin discussion? 1270 03:04:38,742 --> 03:04:44,742 >> I move to approve resolution 2624 a resolution of the city 1271 03:04:45,376 --> 03:04:48,482 of the Council of Castle Pines Colorado approving the 26 1272 03:04:48,482 --> 03:04:50,482 Economic Development plan. 1273 03:04:52,420 --> 03:04:53,709 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Councilmember blue 1274 03:04:53,709 --> 03:04:55,715 will start with you then Councilmember Salazar 1275 03:04:55,715 --> 03:04:57,715 then Councilmember Cole. 1276 03:04:58,822 --> 03:05:01,412 Councilmember Geoff Blue: I'm very impressed with this, 1277 03:05:01,412 --> 03:05:05,462 we went back and forth over years Councilmember Mulvey 1278 03:05:05,462 --> 03:05:09,450 and I going back and forth, I think 1279 03:05:09,450 --> 03:05:11,462 this is a good compromise I think this gets us moving down 1280 03:05:11,462 --> 03:05:13,682 the path and at some point we may need a development director 1281 03:05:13,682 --> 03:05:15,224 but at this point I don't think we do 1282 03:05:15,224 --> 03:05:17,118 and I think this shows that. 1283 03:05:17,118 --> 03:05:21,190 And I'm looking forward to seeing how this is implemented. 1284 03:05:21,190 --> 03:05:24,854 So many questions, this answers a lot of questions 1285 03:05:24,854 --> 03:05:28,715 and creates a framework, but it also asks a ton more. 1286 03:05:28,715 --> 03:05:32,620 But these are the kinds of questions that we are here for. 1287 03:05:32,620 --> 03:05:33,570 That's what our job is. 1288 03:05:33,570 --> 03:05:34,888 So I think this is great. 1289 03:05:34,888 --> 03:05:37,187 You guys have done a great job to put us 1290 03:05:37,187 --> 03:05:41,382 in a position to really start looking at this kind of thing. 1291 03:05:41,382 --> 03:05:44,382 Especially as everything is developing 1292 03:05:44,452 --> 03:05:47,820 and now is a really good time to be doing this. 1293 03:05:47,820 --> 03:05:49,820 So thank you. 1294 03:05:50,313 --> 03:05:53,313 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Councilmember Salazar. 1295 03:05:55,201 --> 03:05:57,568 Councilmember Kori Salazar: I know this is something 1296 03:05:57,568 --> 03:05:59,846 that they mentioned in our study session 1297 03:05:59,846 --> 03:06:02,822 with the Ayres group, (laughs) so I'm 1298 03:06:02,822 --> 03:06:05,430 happy to see the implementation, and I 1299 03:06:05,430 --> 03:06:08,702 know that it does match our policy direction in where 1300 03:06:08,702 --> 03:06:11,182 we want to go, and what the community also 1301 03:06:11,182 --> 03:06:12,987 has expressed where they want to go 1302 03:06:12,987 --> 03:06:15,848 and a lot of the things listed in the implementation matrix 1303 03:06:15,848 --> 03:06:18,222 are desires of the community. 1304 03:06:18,222 --> 03:06:20,402 So I'm excited to see this come into fruition. 1305 03:06:20,402 --> 03:06:24,262 And I am happy that we have the support and good relationships 1306 03:06:24,262 --> 03:06:26,322 that the city has built with our landowners. 1307 03:06:26,322 --> 03:06:28,322 So thank you. 1308 03:06:29,913 --> 03:06:32,913 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Councilmember Cole? 1309 03:06:33,142 --> 03:06:34,766 Councilmember Ron Cole: Just a comment 1310 03:06:34,766 --> 03:06:37,662 the six bullets under the strategic presentation 1311 03:06:37,662 --> 03:06:39,954 just blew me away you guys did a phenomenal job pulling 1312 03:06:39,954 --> 03:06:43,364 that together, I think it lays out a solid path for where 1313 03:06:43,364 --> 03:06:44,795 we need to go. 1314 03:06:44,795 --> 03:06:47,795 And I appreciate your work. 1315 03:06:50,328 --> 03:06:52,604 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Councilmember Eubanks? 1316 03:06:52,604 --> 03:06:54,210 Councilmember Chris Eubanks: Thank 1317 03:06:54,210 --> 03:06:56,821 you mayor, while I may not have been a huge fan 1318 03:06:56,821 --> 03:06:59,520 com I think it came together nicely in the message, 1319 03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:02,102 I think that we can consider this going forward. 1320 03:07:02,102 --> 03:07:05,422 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Any additional comments? 1321 03:07:05,422 --> 03:07:07,422 Councilmember Mulvey? 1322 03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:09,598 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I think 1323 03:07:09,598 --> 03:07:12,420 these are an example of how we as a council 1324 03:07:12,420 --> 03:07:13,880 can get something done. 1325 03:07:13,880 --> 03:07:15,325 This is a long time coming, should 1326 03:07:15,325 --> 03:07:18,862 have been done a long time ago. 1327 03:07:18,862 --> 03:07:22,700 And you know gone with the expenditure of what 1328 03:07:22,700 --> 03:07:25,442 would be half an FTE to get to this point, 1329 03:07:25,442 --> 03:07:27,842 it was worthwhile worthwhile. 1330 03:07:28,207 --> 03:07:31,590 So whether we hired somebody to do the outside as a consultant 1331 03:07:31,590 --> 03:07:35,582 or hired somebody to do an inside, to me, 1332 03:07:35,582 --> 03:07:37,102 that's irrelevant. 1333 03:07:37,102 --> 03:07:39,162 It finally got done. 1334 03:07:39,162 --> 03:07:43,827 And it took us a while to get consensus to get that done. 1335 03:07:43,827 --> 03:07:47,462 I do think it's important to look at the implementation, 1336 03:07:47,462 --> 03:07:51,622 and it might require some additional costs. 1337 03:07:51,622 --> 03:07:54,479 And I think we have to be open to that, 1338 03:07:54,479 --> 03:07:56,422 and to be open about it. 1339 03:07:56,422 --> 03:07:58,220 But we can't stop. 1340 03:07:58,220 --> 03:08:00,762 We were pushed to do an annexation policy, 1341 03:08:00,762 --> 03:08:04,550 we were pushed to do this, let's not 1342 03:08:04,550 --> 03:08:08,663 stop on what we need to do to govern properly. 1343 03:08:08,663 --> 03:08:10,413 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Additional comments? 1344 03:08:10,413 --> 03:08:15,213 All right clerk deputy please call the vote. 1345 03:08:16,585 --> 03:08:18,585 [Members voting] 1346 03:08:28,994 --> 03:08:31,394 Clerk: The motion passes. 1347 03:08:31,997 --> 03:08:34,497 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Thank you we are moving on to products 1348 03:08:34,497 --> 03:08:36,330 and report city manager do you have anything 1349 03:08:36,330 --> 03:08:37,566 to report this evening? 1350 03:08:37,566 --> 03:08:38,660 >> I do. 1351 03:08:38,660 --> 03:08:40,370 I have more slides for you tonight. 1352 03:08:40,370 --> 03:08:42,370 Special. 1353 03:08:43,822 --> 03:08:45,822 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Are they surprised slides? 1354 03:08:45,822 --> 03:08:47,864 >> All right I'm just going to read this quickly. 1355 03:08:47,864 --> 03:08:49,294 This is a great little story. 1356 03:08:49,294 --> 03:08:51,860 Over the weekend staff received a voicemail 1357 03:08:51,860 --> 03:08:52,762 from a concerned parent reporting 1358 03:08:52,762 --> 03:08:56,962 that their son's skateboard had gone into the stormwater system. 1359 03:08:56,962 --> 03:08:59,902 Parent was concerned about the water washing it away, 1360 03:08:59,902 --> 03:09:04,725 but their son was worried about the Ninja Turtles taking it. 1361 03:09:04,725 --> 03:09:07,440 (laughs) taking it out of the sewer system. 1362 03:09:07,440 --> 03:09:08,461 We are not staffed on the weekends 1363 03:09:08,461 --> 03:09:11,902 so the parents left us a voicemail. 1364 03:09:11,902 --> 03:09:14,802 But, of course we didn't get it until Monday, 1365 03:09:14,802 --> 03:09:17,942 so they had to wait until Monday to find out 1366 03:09:17,942 --> 03:09:19,328 the results of the skateboard. 1367 03:09:19,328 --> 03:09:21,344 Well there you have it. 1368 03:09:21,344 --> 03:09:21,844 Right there. 1369 03:09:21,844 --> 03:09:25,635 Is the first thing Monday, our storm manager Joe 1370 03:09:25,635 --> 03:09:28,342 went to find the wayward skateboard, 1371 03:09:28,342 --> 03:09:32,242 and after going above and beyond and pun intended below, 1372 03:09:32,242 --> 03:09:34,989 the response we got from the parent was we got it, 1373 03:09:34,989 --> 03:09:37,335 the storm water management got back to me 1374 03:09:37,335 --> 03:09:39,882 they retrieved it this morning and he was awesome. 1375 03:09:39,882 --> 03:09:40,382 Awesome. 1376 03:09:40,382 --> 03:09:43,506 I just wanted to say I thought this was 1377 03:09:43,506 --> 03:09:45,648 great the policy of our staff. 1378 03:09:45,648 --> 03:09:48,758 So we're very cool in the pictures we're 1379 03:09:48,758 --> 03:09:50,782 very cool so they got me going. 1380 03:09:50,782 --> 03:09:53,782 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Happy ending. 1381 03:09:54,248 --> 03:09:57,802 >> And just so you know stormwater bots we knew it 1382 03:09:57,802 --> 03:10:02,982 wasn't going to go away because would have had to already been 1383 03:10:02,982 --> 03:10:08,534 filled up and the sediment Joe was pretty confident that he 1384 03:10:08,534 --> 03:10:10,742 knew where it was and it was going to be right there. 1385 03:10:10,742 --> 03:10:14,942 Continuing the positive, we received an email 1386 03:10:15,158 --> 03:10:17,982 from the resident, I commend the crews 1387 03:10:17,982 --> 03:10:24,582 that did Eldridge Park they did an excellent job the restrooms 1388 03:10:28,622 --> 03:10:32,168 were clean, the grounds were cleaned of any debris, 1389 03:10:32,168 --> 03:10:35,642 they said it's a jewel of the decree, 1390 03:10:35,642 --> 03:10:38,115 they said it was wonderful and spectacular 1391 03:10:38,115 --> 03:10:40,150 thank you and everyone else who put it together 1392 03:10:40,150 --> 03:10:41,900 many many hours of work and collaboration. 1393 03:10:41,900 --> 03:10:44,622 We don't get a lot of these so I thought I would share it 1394 03:10:44,622 --> 03:10:45,655 with the City Council. 1395 03:10:45,655 --> 03:10:49,392 And then, a couple of you heard this 1396 03:10:49,392 --> 03:10:52,620 but Larry Nimmo has announced his retirement. 1397 03:10:52,620 --> 03:10:58,232 He will be leaving us at the end of the year, he just turned, 1398 03:10:58,232 --> 03:11:03,320 I probably shouldn't say it so I won't. 1399 03:11:03,822 --> 03:11:09,302 But, he is ready to move in to his next statement. 1400 03:11:09,302 --> 03:11:13,502 I know he wouldn't mind me sharing, 1401 03:11:14,150 --> 03:11:17,598 the passage of our group really got 1402 03:11:17,598 --> 03:11:22,398 him thinking about the fixture in the transportation. 1403 03:11:23,222 --> 03:11:27,422 I worked with him in the 80s? 1404 03:11:28,222 --> 03:11:31,998 90s came back in Boulder when we both worked for the city 1405 03:11:31,998 --> 03:11:35,600 of Boulder, he was in transportation then and just 1406 03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:40,888 made it his career and I think he communicated this 1407 03:11:40,888 --> 03:11:42,888 to the staff. 1408 03:11:42,888 --> 03:11:47,454 Got him talking to his wife about what their future holds. 1409 03:11:47,454 --> 03:11:51,654 So we don't have any retirement details, 1410 03:11:58,100 --> 03:12:00,334 ultimately we're just thinking about the timeline people 1411 03:12:00,334 --> 03:12:02,318 are relocating and doing different jobs, 1412 03:12:02,318 --> 03:12:05,815 and he's here through the end of the year. 1413 03:12:05,815 --> 03:12:09,174 We'll update council with a retirement plan. 1414 03:12:09,174 --> 03:12:11,622 And I think that was it. 1415 03:12:11,622 --> 03:12:13,334 That was the last one. 1416 03:12:13,334 --> 03:12:15,318 Sorry mayor. 1417 03:12:15,318 --> 03:12:19,202 So Village square which is the road, 1418 03:12:19,202 --> 03:12:21,902 they have reached out again interested, 1419 03:12:21,902 --> 03:12:26,390 this is a conversation you all had during the budget retreat, 1420 03:12:26,390 --> 03:12:28,726 so they continue to be interested, 1421 03:12:28,726 --> 03:12:31,670 so we will be meeting with them again 1422 03:12:31,670 --> 03:12:34,932 and potentially have an update for council on that. 1423 03:12:34,932 --> 03:12:39,502 I'm sorry, it is connected to the you are a. 1424 03:12:39,502 --> 03:12:41,791 My guess is they will want to tie that together, 1425 03:12:41,791 --> 03:12:46,198 I don't know for sure Council finds marketplace that's what I 1426 03:12:46,198 --> 03:12:49,798 was trying to remember for sure , 1427 03:12:51,479 --> 03:12:56,310 we don't have any names or anything like that but they are 1428 03:12:56,310 --> 03:13:00,827 getting very close to fully leasing the Safeway and they 1429 03:13:00,827 --> 03:13:04,254 have some tenant backfills that they are working 1430 03:13:04,254 --> 03:13:08,852 on for the bakery space as well as -- 1431 03:13:08,852 --> 03:13:10,814 I'm calling it the medical office space, 1432 03:13:10,814 --> 03:13:14,870 but it's where the veterinarian had been. 1433 03:13:14,870 --> 03:13:17,446 And they did all of the remodel in their office space 1434 03:13:17,446 --> 03:13:19,722 and then they moved out. 1435 03:13:19,722 --> 03:13:22,278 If they divide the Safeway in half 1436 03:13:22,278 --> 03:13:25,627 they've got four tenant spaces, and so they're 1437 03:13:25,627 --> 03:13:28,508 working diligently to get all of those filled, 1438 03:13:28,508 --> 03:13:30,902 and if that's the case, of course 1439 03:13:30,902 --> 03:13:36,502 we would be 100% leased on the west side of town. 1440 03:13:36,502 --> 03:13:38,302 So thank you. 1441 03:13:38,302 --> 03:13:41,782 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Council member blue? 1442 03:13:41,782 --> 03:13:44,333 Councilmember Geoff Blue: Any news 1443 03:13:44,333 --> 03:13:46,762 on when Old Pinos is going to open? 1444 03:13:46,762 --> 03:13:49,435 >> They are going to be doing some soft opening and tests next 1445 03:13:49,435 --> 03:13:54,200 week, so I would think, let's call it two weeks as long 1446 03:13:54,200 --> 03:13:57,382 as the soft test goes well. 1447 03:13:57,382 --> 03:14:04,582 So, the second week in September if I have my calendar right. 1448 03:14:06,902 --> 03:14:13,502 >> Toby it sounds like we have dinner for next council meeting. 1449 03:14:16,320 --> 03:14:18,449 >> I don't know if they'll be open by the time we're here. 1450 03:14:18,449 --> 03:14:20,849 It's a hard pass. 1451 03:14:22,142 --> 03:14:23,475 Mayor Tracy Engerman: All right. 1452 03:14:23,475 --> 03:14:25,797 We will move on to council member reports. 1453 03:14:25,797 --> 03:14:28,882 I'm going to try and go in alphabetical order. 1454 03:14:28,882 --> 03:14:31,282 So council member blue? 1455 03:14:31,662 --> 03:14:34,272 Councilmember Geoff Blue: I assume that I 1456 03:14:34,272 --> 03:14:35,832 will be first with the b. 1457 03:14:35,832 --> 03:14:36,545 Two things. 1458 03:14:36,545 --> 03:14:42,342 One, first of all, at the Cherry Creek Basin Water Authority 1459 03:14:42,342 --> 03:14:46,542 board, meaning we're talking about Thinking about 1460 03:15:01,718 --> 03:15:04,470 for our city and city manager, I raised that with Michael I 1461 03:15:04,470 --> 03:15:09,870 asked the question, our current number for him is 5000. 1462 03:15:09,902 --> 03:15:12,987 We are going to get the numbers of what 1463 03:15:12,987 --> 03:15:15,208 the local jurisdictions around us are, 1464 03:15:15,208 --> 03:15:19,202 and I think we should consider raising that 1465 03:15:19,202 --> 03:15:21,297 just because I think it would make sense 1466 03:15:21,297 --> 03:15:22,492 to have more flexibility. 1467 03:15:22,492 --> 03:15:27,735 And frankly I trust Michael to make the decision 1468 03:15:27,735 --> 03:15:31,702 if he makes a bad decision we'll know about it pretty fast 1469 03:15:31,702 --> 03:15:32,582 anyway. 1470 03:15:32,582 --> 03:15:34,982 That's implicit though right? 1471 03:15:36,162 --> 03:15:39,288 The other thing that I wanted to point out, 1472 03:15:39,288 --> 03:15:42,166 we have this great space here, and I know we shouldn't be 1473 03:15:42,166 --> 03:15:45,370 talking about it already, but we only have -- 1474 03:15:45,370 --> 03:15:47,758 I mean this is not a permanent solution, we know that. 1475 03:15:47,758 --> 03:15:52,875 This is a temporary solution for us as the west or east side 1476 03:15:52,875 --> 03:15:58,705 is built out, it's built out in the mixed use. 1477 03:15:58,705 --> 03:16:00,598 I know they're talking about putting it 1478 03:16:00,598 --> 03:16:04,617 in for the library there tonight we 1479 03:16:04,617 --> 03:16:08,510 need to start considering we need to consider 1480 03:16:08,510 --> 03:16:12,251 where do we want a city hall? 1481 03:16:13,865 --> 03:16:15,785 We need to start having a conversation 1482 03:16:15,785 --> 03:16:18,321 and the discussion and the two obvious places 1483 03:16:18,321 --> 03:16:22,265 are clearly in this space, but with a new building. 1484 03:16:22,265 --> 03:16:25,438 With some sort of civic area around it 1485 03:16:25,438 --> 03:16:27,805 in the park or whatever. 1486 03:16:27,805 --> 03:16:30,910 Or, over in the canyons. 1487 03:16:30,910 --> 03:16:32,515 Those are the two obvious places. 1488 03:16:32,515 --> 03:16:35,465 And obviously we can talk about the Vickers property 1489 03:16:35,465 --> 03:16:37,250 as another place we can go. 1490 03:16:37,250 --> 03:16:40,131 But I think we need to be thinking about it. 1491 03:16:40,131 --> 03:16:42,173 It's never too early to have these conversations, 1492 03:16:42,173 --> 03:16:47,603 70 years can go by really fast or ten years can go by really 1493 03:16:47,603 --> 03:16:49,705 fast -- seven years or ten years. 1494 03:16:49,705 --> 03:16:51,878 So I think we just need to have it front of mind 1495 03:16:51,878 --> 03:16:54,278 as we go forward. 1496 03:16:54,575 --> 03:16:56,325 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Council member Cole? 1497 03:16:56,325 --> 03:16:58,198 Council member Eubanks? 1498 03:16:58,198 --> 03:17:00,198 Council member Mulvey? 1499 03:17:07,197 --> 03:17:08,572 Councilmember Deborah Mulvey: I'm 1500 03:17:08,572 --> 03:17:09,969 glad you brought it up early because when 1501 03:17:09,969 --> 03:17:12,177 we think about our budget and capital infrastructures 1502 03:17:12,177 --> 03:17:14,531 and implementing things we really have to look forward. 1503 03:17:14,531 --> 03:17:16,990 And if we want to spend a bazillion bucks, 1504 03:17:16,990 --> 03:17:19,889 we better figure out how we are going to get a bazillion bucks. 1505 03:17:19,889 --> 03:17:22,175 Unless we are willing to go into debt. 1506 03:17:22,175 --> 03:17:23,945 So thanks for bringing that up. 1507 03:17:23,945 --> 03:17:27,153 And, to that end two, civility matters. 1508 03:17:27,153 --> 03:17:29,345 And thank you is okay. 1509 03:17:29,345 --> 03:17:32,985 And I appreciate the civility that we have here. 1510 03:17:32,985 --> 03:17:37,900 Another thing that comes to mind is 1511 03:17:37,900 --> 03:17:42,207 we each have principles when we are voting, and I am glad 1512 03:17:42,207 --> 03:17:43,337 that we respect them. 1513 03:17:43,337 --> 03:17:46,365 I would suggest if you're struggling with something then 1514 03:17:46,365 --> 03:17:48,365 there's a reason. 1515 03:17:49,305 --> 03:17:52,905 And just stick to your principles. 1516 03:17:53,665 --> 03:17:59,650 Lastly, well not lastly but lastly on this topic. 1517 03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:03,139 I'm not going to express how I intend to vote all the time. 1518 03:18:03,139 --> 03:18:07,305 And what I think of a ballot measure all the time. 1519 03:18:07,305 --> 03:18:12,297 And I appreciate that anybody can and anybody should. 1520 03:18:12,297 --> 03:18:16,181 And the place to do that is in your own sphere. 1521 03:18:16,181 --> 03:18:21,581 Because the fair Campaign Practices Act calls for that. 1522 03:18:23,145 --> 03:18:28,450 I want to thank staff for the proclamation for Constitution 1523 03:18:28,450 --> 03:18:28,695 Week. 1524 03:18:28,695 --> 03:18:33,918 I want to thank the Sheriff for his interest 1525 03:18:33,918 --> 03:18:37,302 as I mentioned earlier, there was an event 1526 03:18:37,302 --> 03:18:42,651 to kick off and raise funds for a program 1527 03:18:42,651 --> 03:18:47,451 to prevent and help people suffering from trafficking. 1528 03:18:47,705 --> 03:18:51,281 You would be surprised where it occurs. 1529 03:18:51,281 --> 03:18:54,761 We had a clerk that you would have never known. 1530 03:18:54,761 --> 03:18:59,561 It just happens, and you wouldn't know it. 1531 03:18:59,865 --> 03:19:03,673 So, some of those things you may see initiatives 1532 03:19:03,673 --> 03:19:05,650 coming to pass on that. 1533 03:19:05,650 --> 03:19:07,140 I know I'm going to be dealing with it. 1534 03:19:07,140 --> 03:19:09,978 And then lastly, there are some tough votes 1535 03:19:09,978 --> 03:19:12,235 that have to be done this week. 1536 03:19:12,235 --> 03:19:15,438 And my other spheres, if you have questions about them 1537 03:19:15,438 --> 03:19:16,705 please let me know. 1538 03:19:16,705 --> 03:19:18,985 This isn't the time or the place to get 1539 03:19:18,985 --> 03:19:22,825 into the content, because it's not on the Douglas County 1540 03:19:22,825 --> 03:19:26,193 ballot, but if you have any, please, 1541 03:19:26,193 --> 03:19:30,465 I invite you to have a conversation with me. 1542 03:19:30,465 --> 03:19:32,347 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Thank you. 1543 03:19:32,347 --> 03:19:34,347 Council member Salazar? 1544 03:19:36,884 --> 03:19:38,467 Councilmember Kori Salazar: Thank you. 1545 03:19:38,467 --> 03:19:41,641 Two as well for me I attended the Municipal Leadership Academy 1546 03:19:41,641 --> 03:19:44,575 day one in Alamosa, and I got to meet council members 1547 03:19:44,575 --> 03:19:45,985 from across the state. 1548 03:19:45,985 --> 03:19:50,217 From towns as small as 200 people to those of over 100,000 1549 03:19:50,217 --> 03:19:56,353 and our workshop this past -- it was the 14th of August, 1550 03:19:56,353 --> 03:19:58,380 we focused on good governance. 1551 03:19:58,380 --> 03:20:06,438 My biggest takeaway was the need for us as council or as a city 1552 03:20:07,500 --> 03:20:11,805 just for increased communication as what council is, 1553 03:20:12,851 --> 03:20:19,467 how it's involved, and all of you sitting here and all of you 1554 03:20:19,467 --> 03:20:20,486 sitting there. 1555 03:20:20,486 --> 03:20:22,865 Also this past Thursday the parks board 1556 03:20:22,865 --> 03:20:24,776 met for the first time in a couple months. 1557 03:20:24,776 --> 03:20:26,351 We took the summer off and we are 1558 03:20:26,351 --> 03:20:29,121 working on phasing for the Soaring Hawk Park 1559 03:20:29,121 --> 03:20:33,273 in the canyons, which again we need funding for which growth 1560 03:20:33,273 --> 03:20:36,913 would help with that funding, so just another tie 1561 03:20:36,913 --> 03:20:39,913 back to the annexation policy. 1562 03:20:40,465 --> 03:20:44,180 Good news policy Ridge will start beginning work here 1563 03:20:44,180 --> 03:20:48,500 after Labor Day, and we are hoping to be completed by April, 1564 03:20:48,500 --> 03:20:50,205 and then the parks board also talked 1565 03:20:50,205 --> 03:20:54,201 about trailhead kiosks and mile marker placement, 1566 03:20:54,201 --> 03:20:56,710 as part of our trail systems. 1567 03:20:56,710 --> 03:20:59,250 So that is it for me. 1568 03:20:59,250 --> 03:21:02,130 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Council member Winegar? 1569 03:21:02,130 --> 03:21:04,130 Councilmember Nate Winegar: Thank you mayor I do 1570 03:21:04,130 --> 03:21:04,755 have something. 1571 03:21:04,755 --> 03:21:06,380 I have a kudo. 1572 03:21:06,380 --> 03:21:10,838 Two Saturdays ago, I was messaged on Facebook, 1573 03:21:11,201 --> 03:21:13,601 which, I usually am. 1574 03:21:13,673 --> 03:21:18,865 That there were concerns canyon side for a blind spot 1575 03:21:18,865 --> 03:21:24,105 due to some of the construction on all three 1576 03:21:24,105 --> 03:21:30,105 sides of that intersection that had created what my community 1577 03:21:30,577 --> 03:21:35,385 and citizens in the county would call an issue 1578 03:21:35,385 --> 03:21:38,575 where people would be coming out and not be able to see at. 1579 03:21:38,575 --> 03:21:42,105 I contacted the city manager Penny on a Saturday, 1580 03:21:42,105 --> 03:21:46,299 he was extremely responsive, and just so 1581 03:21:46,299 --> 03:21:50,625 you know when I say a lot of people per year, Councilmember 1582 03:21:50,625 --> 03:21:54,825 Eubanks, was probably 35 people that had messaged 1583 03:21:55,465 --> 03:21:57,305 and questioned this concern. 1584 03:21:57,305 --> 03:22:02,161 There was a quick response, a quick action by you 1585 03:22:02,161 --> 03:22:03,529 and your team. 1586 03:22:03,529 --> 03:22:06,411 And, everybody was very appreciative. 1587 03:22:06,411 --> 03:22:09,385 They were appreciative of that and they 1588 03:22:09,385 --> 03:22:12,101 were happy with how fast the city responded so thank you. 1589 03:22:12,101 --> 03:22:12,895 I appreciate that. 1590 03:22:12,895 --> 03:22:13,625 Thank you. 1591 03:22:13,625 --> 03:22:16,250 That's all I have. 1592 03:22:16,385 --> 03:22:18,210 Mayor Tracy Engerman: Thank you. 1593 03:22:18,210 --> 03:22:19,755 I have a quick kudos because I have 1594 03:22:19,755 --> 03:22:20,859 a teenager that keeps calling me so I 1595 03:22:20,859 --> 03:22:22,260 need to adjourn the meeting. 1596 03:22:22,260 --> 03:22:25,125 I need to say thank you to the Public Works department, 1597 03:22:25,125 --> 03:22:27,250 they've done an awesome job trying 1598 03:22:27,250 --> 03:22:30,545 to adapt to the start of school and the traffic that's happening 1599 03:22:30,545 --> 03:22:32,693 and the construction along with it, 1600 03:22:32,693 --> 03:22:34,901 and backups and things like that when everyone's just 1601 03:22:34,901 --> 03:22:37,193 trying to figure out you know, what does the new school 1602 03:22:37,193 --> 03:22:37,899 year look like? 1603 03:22:37,899 --> 03:22:40,794 So I want to thank them, they are doing a great job. 1604 03:22:40,794 --> 03:22:41,422 So thank you. 1605 03:22:41,422 --> 03:22:46,822 We will go ahead and adjourn at 8:52 p.m..