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>> Good evening, council and

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staff. Go ahead and get started

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with our study session for

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Tuesday, March 24th. And our

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first topic is electric

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vehicles. And we are being

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presented. Assistant City

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Attorney Evan King is going

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to be presented. Yes. All

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righty.

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>> So, I am back to talk more

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about this. I have now given

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you all a draft ordinance.

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These are provisions that I

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don't want to say stolen,

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but they were copied basically

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from other municipalities based

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on what you guys said you

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wanted to see

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in an ordinance. So everything

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in here is proposed,

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and I wanted

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to give you guys the

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opportunity to look at them and

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tell me what you like,

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what you don't like,

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if we still want

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to regulate more or, you know,

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whatever it may be. So next

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slide. There we go. Oh, and

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also, I did want

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to mention that Michael and I

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also had a chance to talk to

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the sheriff's department or

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sheriff's office. They did look

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into stats. They said the stats

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were really not reflective

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of the problem, though, because

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most time people aren't calling

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the cops. So, they only had

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like 10 reports, but they said

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by far it was the most citizen

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complaint that they received

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and that it was absolutely a

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problem. So, I don't have the

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stats to really back it up, but

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the sheriff's office definitely

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supports this. They said that

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Douglas County is also

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continuing to look into this.

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They're looking

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to see what you guys are doing,

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what Bonetree's doing, so that

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they definitely are also

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considering something

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in the future. So, next slide.

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So, this is the parent

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responsibility. Oh, and I do

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also want

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to note the state bill on this

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failed. I'm not surprised. It

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was terribly written so that.

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So, the state law is not going

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to go into effect. They'll link

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it. If you guys want

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to have it. It will be your

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provision. So,

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under this provision, parents

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and legal guardians are

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basically responsible

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for their minors. And that's

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defined as anyone under of 18

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who operates an

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off highway vehicle

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in any public street, road,

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alley, or any public property

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within the city in violation

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of this chapter Charlie

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article, actually. So, I'll

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change that

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for your actual ordinance. And

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then I copied the fine schedule

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from Castle Rock, I believe,

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which is a 250 flat or $250

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mandatory minimum. So, I just

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to hear what your thoughts are

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on that.

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>> I was at something recently

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is the partnership with

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Douglas County governments

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where the CEO of Douglas

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County School District said

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they have a problem

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with scooters really badly

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on their property. And if we

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were to consider adding other

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vehicles, other electric

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conveyances, would we? Would

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our ordinance apply

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at the elementary Schools or

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the charter schools in town.

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>> I think it would. I mean,

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it would apply. It depends on

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what the provision says. I

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don't want to caveat all of it.

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I know electric scooters,

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you can kick them off the

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sidewalk and that would be

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everywhere, including the

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public park or the public

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schools. I would. I really have

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to look at the provision. But

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if it's something that you all

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wanted me to look into,

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absolutely can do that to see

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what you guys could regulate

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there that would help you

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with that issue.

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>> Thank you.

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>> I would be interested

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in that because I wouldn't want

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to ask us. I mean, I'm mindful

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of what some

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of the comments were last time,

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so I wouldn't want

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to suggest we spend time going

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down that road unless we knew

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that the enforcement was

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doable.

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by the differential

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between the beliefs here about

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whether or not it's a problem

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and what was clearly said

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at that meeting

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about that particular kind

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of conveyance. And Mr.

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Pennymate, you might have heard

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that part of the meeting here

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when, I do want to.

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enforcement thing. We talked

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to the sheriffs. We said

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exactly what we were planning

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on doing. And he said

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absolutely everything that you

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everything I had

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in the slide tonight, he said

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it could be enforceable and

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that they would be happy

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to enforce it for us. That's

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not my question.

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just reminded me. Okay. Yeah,

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it just. You just reminded me

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of it. So that's why I

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mentioned, as a side piece,

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because I know that was a

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concern.

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with adding 90-day impoundment

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to the vehicle?

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>> So, I do have an impoundment

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provision later on that we can

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talk about. I would probably

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leave it in there rather than

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under the parent

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responsibility.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So back to the 250. Is this

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in line

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with what our other fees are

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for things?

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>> I did not check. I was just

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spacing out.

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doing with their clients,

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with the municipal code

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on that. And this is higher.

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this is the mandatory minimum,

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which is. I mean, so if you

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wanted the municipal judge

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to have more of a leeway,

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you might not want to have a

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minimum or you might want

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to set a max instead.

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>> Sorry.

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>> How can both be true? How

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can this be higher than

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everyone else?

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higher than our usual code.

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>> Higher than operating

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something else in a careless

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>> Thank you for that

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clarification.

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>> Yeah, I was confused, like,

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for even a vehicle.

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Like a vehicle up to 500

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for careless without injury.

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the cost? What is the fee for a

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standard speeding ticket?

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on the speed. And anywhere

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from 90 to 150.

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>> If you're 11 to 19

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over the speed limit,

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your ticket's $145. That

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includes the victim assistance

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>> I mean, I think if you want

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to deter it,

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higher is better. Because I

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don't think some of the parents

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that have these are going

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to really worry about $100 fee

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or $200 fee even, maybe,

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in my opinion. And the fact how

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many times they get caught out

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of a hungry. I mean, it's.

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people use the carpool lanes

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and aren't supposed to. And so,

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of 250 seems appropriate. And

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then looking at a maximum,

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if there is. We wanted

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to have maximum or leave it at

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the judge's discretion question

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in appropriate.

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>> How would you?

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>> How would you determine what

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a maximum is? Whose discretion

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I'm caught. Maybe if there's a

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maximum, maybe it's

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for the first offense, it's

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250.

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500, something like that. But I

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don't really have discretion

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of saying, yeah, you're 250,

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you're 275. You did the same

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thing. You know what I mean?

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>> That's what the judge does.

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>> That's what they do every

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case.

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>> Are we treating this

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like every case? Are we

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treating this separately?

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>> We're having.

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>> No, procedurally.

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happens. Each court operates

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like I do miss Municipal stuff.

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little bit differently.

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>> But it's always the judge's

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discretion when there's a

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minimum or maximum. And

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sometimes the circumstances

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attendant to what was happening

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can change what's happening.

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And then also there's a plea

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process that the procedure

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changes for two from court

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to court. I can't practice in

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this court. I can only observe

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in Castle times.

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to note there, this, as always,

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any ordinance we have,

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it would be subject

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to the max, which is the 2,650

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or whatever. So, that's always

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the max.

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>> So that's.

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>> There is a maximum

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potentially built in already.

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But if you guys want a lesser

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one,

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then we should probably have

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It.

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>> So, let me ask it a

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different way. Is anyone

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opposed to 250 as a minimum

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fine? Then we can move forward.

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>> Actually, you can. I'm not

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opposed to minimum 250. I'm

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just regardless of other

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infractions that the judge has

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a discretion. Would an example

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be it's 250 if I'm just caught

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on the sidewalk. Is it 500 if

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I'm caught in the sidewalk or

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there's something across?

315
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>> Yeah.

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>> I'm curious what those.

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>> Yeah, that's how.

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>> I mean,

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as long as it doesn't go

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below the minimum,

321
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I guess I'm fine. But I just.

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The discretion. I'm just

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curious.

324
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>> Yeah. So, like for example,

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this violation

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of this article. So, let's say

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you catch a kid on the street

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who doesn't have a helmet on.

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You could. Technically that's a

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technical violation

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of this chapter. That could be

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a fine for the parent as well.

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But then you also could get a

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fine for, you know,

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a reckless drive aid with it.

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So, I mean maybe that is where

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it goes up that if your kid's

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caught doing something more

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dangerous, the, the fee or the

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penalty would go up. But the

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way it's written now it's 250

342
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is 4.

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>> So, I understood.

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>> Okay, that all makes sense.

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So, thank you. Does the judge

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still have a discretion to go

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below the minimum?

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>> No.

349
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>> Even with a plea,

350
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it's a mandatory minimum.

351
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>> No. Okay. Yeah.

352
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>> So, for saying 250 is

353
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minimum.

354
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>> Thank you.

355
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>> So, the legal standard is

356
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with due attention

357
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to the circumstances. And so

358
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that's where it comes in. So,

359
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your thought process is

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on target. May I ask my next

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question?

362
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>> Sure.

363
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>> And I apologize. This

364
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repeats.

365
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But the technical part of this

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in the machines,

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the conveyances is a problem

368
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in my mind. I can't wrap my

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head around the differences.

370
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Sometimes when about what you

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described made sense,

372
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but then when I see. So

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yesterday afternoon, I'm going

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down here on the parkway,

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six little motorcycle guys,

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eight years old-ish to 12 years

377
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old-ish. Street, sidewalk

378
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lights, intersection,

379
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varying degrees of hair,

380
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I would say. Right. But it was

381
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this little motorcycle minibike

382
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looking thing

383
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like a moped used

384
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to look like, but

385
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without the pedals. And are we

386
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regulating that?

387
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>> So again, it's so hard

388
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to just

389
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like know what a thing is even

390
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by looking

391
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at it because it depends about

392
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the wattage and the capacity

393
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of the engine. So, you might

394
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have been seeing a minibike,

395
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which is technically a toy

396
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vehicle. But if it was going

397
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that fast and keeping up

398
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with the other ones,

399
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it probably was a

400
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off highway vehicle, I would

401
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guess because it's just. It's a

402
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degree of capacity

403
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of the engine. If they could

404
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keep up.

405
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>> I don't think so.

406
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>> Talking about a minibike,

407
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if they

408
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look the same to the. This

409
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is why it mattered to me. So,

410
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they look the same

411
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to me as an observer. And there

412
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was an older man who was

413
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in the way, I should say,

414
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and a pedestrian. So would it.

415
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How much does it matter if he's

416
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encountering one versus the

417
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other? And how broad we end up

418
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getting with our regulation.

419
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Like, why would we. Why would

420
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we then have to say, stop all

421
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the kids and examine the bike

422
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and determine whether that was

423
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in this category or that. When

424
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to the naked eye at me,

425
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it kind of looked like

426
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whichever one it was scared the

427
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bejesus out of this man.

428
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>> Yeah, that's there. I think

429
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it's just. That's the nature

430
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of it, is that the technology

431
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and our ability to determine

432
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what these are has not totally

433
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caught up because you can't

434
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tell. I think the idea

435
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behind it, though, is

436
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like the minibike. If you get

437
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in a collision,

438
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a minibike has less capacity to

439
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hurt someone because it can't

440
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go as fast. So, I think the

441
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idea with the state giving us

442
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the right to regulate certain

443
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things is that the more

444
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dangerous it is,

445
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the more leeway we have

446
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to regulate. So even

447
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on toy vehicles,

448
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we have a little bit less. I

449
00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:07,100
mean, it's not as clear cut

450
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that we have the right

451
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to regulate these as

452
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off highway vehicles, which in

453
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their statute it says

454
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specifically local governments

455
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can do all

456
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of these things.

457
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>> Right.

458
00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:24,100
>> We don't necessarily have

459
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that for toy vehicles. I think

460
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that this probably is a huge

461
00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:27,100
problem and a huge loophole

462
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everywhere that hopefully will

463
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catch up the state of cut up.

464
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But unfortunately,

465
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that's the best we have now.

466
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So, I'm guessing what you saw

467
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was an off by a vehicle,

468
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though. So probably would catch

469
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if they were. If he was going.

470
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Math and stuff.

471
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>> Well, some were stopped,

472
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some were going. I mean,

473
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it was a little dispersed game.

474
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You know, there was

475
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like four there and two there.

476
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The other question is, do we.

477
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Has the sheriff's office said

478
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anything about the practicality

479
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or impracticality of having

480
00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:03,100
to stop them? Because that came

481
00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:05,100
up when we talked

482
00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:07,100
about golf carts.

483
00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:11,100
>> Yes, absolutely. That's.

484
00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:12,100
That's an ongoing issue

485
00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,100
everywhere. Mostly because they

486
00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:14,100
hop on the trails with these

487
00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:15,100
motorcycles and the police are

488
00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:16,100
not going to go down trails in

489
00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:18,100
their police vehicles or

490
00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:20,100
anything or cause more danger.

491
00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:22,100
So, yes, that's absolutely a

492
00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:23,100
problem everywhere.

493
00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:25,100
>> Thank you.

494
00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:34,100
>> All right, so we will keep

495
00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:35,100
the 250. And then maybe you

496
00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:36,100
guys can think about as a

497
00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:38,100
maximum. I can also look in

498
00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,100
to see if there's any guidance

499
00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:40,100
on it. It might not be because

500
00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:41,100
I. There's actually many people

501
00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:43,100
who do the parental

502
00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:44,100
responsibility,

503
00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,100
but I'll check.

504
00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:54,100
>> Okay, so next slide. So,

505
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this is for eluding. So, this

506
00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:02,100
kind of just goes directly into

507
00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:03,100
the conversation we were just

508
00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:05,100
having. So, this would make it

509
00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,100
a separate offense

510
00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:08,100
for an off-highway vehicle

511
00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:10,100
to hopefully fail

512
00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:11,100
to stop or attempt to elude or

513
00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:12,100
evade a police officer who's

514
00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:13,100
trying to pull you over. There

515
00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,100
are some explicit. First

516
00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:16,100
of all, it has to be. It can't

517
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be an undercover cop. It has

518
00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:20,100
to be a marked official. And

519
00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:22,100
then the last bullet is the

520
00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,100
prohibited content. So, it's

521
00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,100
like increasing your speed when

522
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you see them turning

523
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off your lights,

524
00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:30,100
departing the roadway

525
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:35,100
to avoid the stops of

526
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,100
like hopping

527
00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,100
on a trail or other. Other

528
00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,100
conduct that willfully shows

529
00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,100
intent to evade the officer.

530
00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:43,100
So, what do we think

531
00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,100
about this one?

532
00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:47,100
>> Reminds me

533
00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:49,100
of being a teenager.

534
00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:50,100
>> Yep. Well, it's no

535
00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,100
different.

536
00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:54,100
>> Excuse me.

537
00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:55,100
>> It reminds me

538
00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:57,100
of when we used to go

539
00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:58,100
to the golf course.

540
00:15:58,100 --> 00:15:59,100
>> I'm for it.

541
00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:01,100
>> Question is, how do. I mean,

542
00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:02,100
if they do this, what's the

543
00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,100
likelihood they're going

544
00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:05,100
to get caught? Right? Yeah.

545
00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:06,100
>> So, I think that's also a

546
00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,100
good point. But what's great

547
00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,100
about it is most

548
00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:10,100
of these are kids who are

549
00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:11,100
in school. So actually,

550
00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,100
I was talking

551
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,100
to some other officer not in

552
00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:15,100
this jurisdiction who they

553
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,100
found the kids

554
00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:18,100
by taking pictures

555
00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:19,100
of them and then sending them

556
00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,100
to the school.

557
00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:22,100
Like pictures were sent to the

558
00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:23,100
schools and the schools ratted

559
00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:24,100
them

560
00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:25,100
out and they found that way.

561
00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:26,100
So, it does. They can't. They

562
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:27,100
do have their ways to do it.

563
00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,100
But yes, obviously if they're

564
00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:30,100
evading, it's kind of hard

565
00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:31,100
to give them a ticket

566
00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:32,100
for doing that.

567
00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:33,100
>> They wrap them out or. Or

568
00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:34,100
assist them in law enforcement

569
00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:36,100
activities.

570
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,100
>> Assist them. And I'm sure

571
00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:39,100
their lawyer would prefer

572
00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,100
to say it that way. Okay,

573
00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,100
>> I'm good with this.

574
00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:43,100
>> Okay. And next slide. All

575
00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,601
right, so this is the insurance

576
00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:54,100
provision. So, it requires you

577
00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,100
either to have an insurance

578
00:16:56,100 --> 00:16:58,100
policy complying

579
00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:00,100
with the state's requirements

580
00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,100
for motor vehicles or a state

581
00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:03,100
of self-insurance

582
00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,100
in full force and effect. That

583
00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:07,100
was just an option that other

584
00:17:07,100 --> 00:17:08,100
people had. And then this last

585
00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:09,100
bullet is basically that it's

586
00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:11,100
another separable offense if

587
00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:12,100
you fail

588
00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:13,100
to give them your proof

589
00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:14,100
of insurance.

590
00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:15,100
>> So, it's like when you're

591
00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:16,100
driving your

592
00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:17,100
car and you get pulled over,

593
00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:18,100
you can have a no proof

594
00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:20,100
of insurance citation. So, what

595
00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:22,100
do we think about

596
00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:23,100
with the self-insurance,

597
00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:24,100
do you want to put

598
00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:26,100
in specific requirements

599
00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:28,100
for the insurance?

600
00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:38,100
>> What do you think? I oppose

601
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,100
this one strongly because

602
00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:41,100
number one, it's superfluous.

603
00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:42,100
It's making a law for something

604
00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:44,100
that's probably already covered

605
00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:45,100
already. And all it's going to

606
00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:48,100
do is cause an insurance

607
00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:54,100
coverage fight that will

608
00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,100
increase our premiums and we

609
00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:56,100
don't need that. And I don't

610
00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:58,100
see it being effective because

611
00:17:58,100 --> 00:17:59,100
there aren't any policies

612
00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:02,100
written for this right now.

613
00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:04,100
Okay. You can get an

614
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:05,100
endorsement, but it doesn't,

615
00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,100
it's not that specific. It's

616
00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:08,100
for everything and it costs a

617
00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:12,100
lot. So now if we require it,

618
00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:14,100
we're increasing the cost

619
00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:15,100
to get insurance here

620
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:17,100
in town.

621
00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:31,100
>> I guess I just want

622
00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,100
to understand. So, any vehicle

623
00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,401
that you operate has

624
00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:40,100
to be insured. We're

625
00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:42,100
classifying these vehicles as

626
00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:43,100
something that needs

627
00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:44,100
to be licensed and has to be

628
00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:46,401
follow those requirements. And

629
00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:49,100
I feel like it falls

630
00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:50,100
under the category

631
00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:51,100
of insurance. And plus if one

632
00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:53,100
of these kids, heaven forbid,

633
00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:54,100
gets in an accident or car hits

634
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:56,100
them, I think they need

635
00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:58,100
to have insurance just

636
00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,100
like I need to have insurance

637
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:00,100
when I'm driving

638
00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,100
down the street if I were

639
00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,100
to get into an accident.

640
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,100
That's just my thoughts. And I

641
00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:06,100
understand the premium increase

642
00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:07,100
like but really it increases

643
00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:08,100
the premium for parents that

644
00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:10,100
are allowing their kids to

645
00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:12,100
violate this.

646
00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:16,100
>> I appreciate your

647
00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:17,100
perspective too. It's a, it's,

648
00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:18,100
it's tough.

649
00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:19,100
>> I know.

650
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,100
>> I understand.

651
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,100
>> Yeah.

652
00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,100
>> If I may ask a clarifying

653
00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:26,100
question. This insurance would

654
00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:28,100
be. Liability only would be the

655
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:29,100
requirement?

656
00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:31,100
>> I think. Yes. That's what's

657
00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:32,100
required by your vehicle.

658
00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:34,100
>> Right.

659
00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:36,100
>> Okay.

660
00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:37,100
>> So, I know you explain this,

661
00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,100
so please forgive me. Would

662
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:40,100
the,

663
00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:42,100
the vehicle itself be insured

664
00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,100
or the, or would you, the, the

665
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:46,100
16-year-old be insured?

666
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,100
>> I think the way this is

667
00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:51,100
written it was you have

668
00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,100
to have insurance

669
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,100
on the vehicle. On,

670
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:55,100
on the vehicle. But then

671
00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:57,100
obviously your insurance unit

672
00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:58,100
doesn't cover non-name drivers.

673
00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:59,100
So, I mean, I definitely

674
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,100
understand your point.

675
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:01,100
But it's also

676
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,100
like if you get hit by one

677
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:06,100
of these things.

678
00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:08,100
>> Yeah. And most policies will

679
00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,100
cover a permissive user. So, it

680
00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:11,100
could be your neighbor riding

681
00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,100
your bike. That's just the way

682
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:15,100
they're written.

683
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:17,100
>> Oh, I'm not disagreeing. I

684
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:18,100
don't know enough about

685
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,100
insurance. I know that there's

686
00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:22,401
liability and full coverage.

687
00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:30,100
>> Yeah.

688
00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:32,100
>> I'm just curious because

689
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,100
just reading this,

690
00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,100
I can't tell. Would the

691
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,100
insurance cover if a

692
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,100
16-year-old,

693
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,100
a minor drove their vehicle

694
00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,100
into a car and damaged it?

695
00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:43,100
>> I think that's definitely a

696
00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:47,100
person or a person would be

697
00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:48,100
more.

698
00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:49,100
>> Okay, what's the downside

699
00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:50,100
of endeavor insurance age?

700
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:51,100
>> The policies already would

701
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,100
cover for. There's two ways

702
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:53,100
to get insurance coverage

703
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,100
for something like this. You

704
00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:58,100
can. If a kid act does

705
00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,100
something stupid to cause harm

706
00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,100
to another person, it's still

707
00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:02,100
negligent entrustment or

708
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:03,100
negligence on supervision

709
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:04,100
on the part of the parent. And

710
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:07,601
as long as it's negligent, you

711
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,100
might have insurance coverage

712
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:10,100
through the homeowner. So, the

713
00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,100
homeowner's policy. So, there's

714
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:15,100
other ways that it might be

715
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,100
already covered. And then if we

716
00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:18,100
require it, the type of

717
00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:20,100
endorsement that would be

718
00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,100
required would have

719
00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:22,100
to cover both what you said,

720
00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:23,100
property damage and personal

721
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,100
injury. And it would have

722
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:26,100
to cover everything

723
00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,100
under the sun,

724
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:30,100
not just a broken ankle. So, it

725
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:33,601
would then be across the board

726
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,100
and it would become a rating

727
00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,100
issue. So, all the policies

728
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:40,100
would have to have it and then

729
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,100
everybody's would go up

730
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,100
incrementally. I don't know if

731
00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:45,100
it would be a $10 endorsement

732
00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,100
or a $20 endorsement. So, I

733
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,100
wanted

734
00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:49,100
to highlight it because it's

735
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:51,100
on my mind

736
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,100
in another matter.

737
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,100
>> Okay. So, taking me back

738
00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:56,100
to the last time we spoke

739
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,100
about this,

740
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:58,100
and forgive my lack

741
00:21:58,100 --> 00:21:59,100
of knowledge

742
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:01,100
of what they're called, a

743
00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:02,100
vehicle that is road ready has

744
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,100
the turn signals and all

745
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,100
of that, that must be

746
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,100
registered and it must be

747
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:10,100
by a license driver.

748
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,100
>> Correct.

749
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,100
>> In my opinion,

750
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:14,100
that should have insurance. If

751
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,100
it's not a vehicle that is not

752
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,100
designed to be on the road,

753
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,100
it shouldn't.

754
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,100
>> That's what we're talking

755
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:21,100
about here. These are

756
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,100
technically not supposed to be

757
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,100
on the road. Okay. So yeah,

758
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:25,100
these are. So these are the

759
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:26,100
dirt bikes who don't have,

760
00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:28,100
they don't have the turn

761
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,100
signals, but

762
00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,100
for all other aspects,

763
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,100
they're a motorcycle. That's.

764
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:33,100
That's more of the. Then I'm

765
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:35,100
in line

766
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,100
with you guys because I,

767
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,401
I see the distinction.

768
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:44,601
>> So, if it's a street legal

769
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,100
vehicle that needs a licensed

770
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100
driver, that's a, that needs

771
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,100
insurance no matter what.

772
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,100
That's not a.

773
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,100
>> Correct. That's a state law.

774
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:54,100
>> That's a state law, yeah.

775
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,100
Okay.

776
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:56,100
>> And just to Clarify, these

777
00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:57,100
are UTV's. They're not.

778
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,100
>> I mean, yes,

779
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:00,100
but we're mostly talking

780
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:01,100
about the eater bikes here. So

781
00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:02,100
that's, that's kind

782
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,100
of what I want to. That's

783
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:04,100
like the loophole that I, I'm

784
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,100
finding that they're basically

785
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:07,100
the exact same vehicle. Just

786
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:08,100
one has turn signals and a

787
00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:09,100
couple of their safety features

788
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,100
and the other doesn't. And

789
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:11,100
that's the one that is not

790
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:13,100
required to have insurance,

791
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,100
and they're not required to be

792
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:15,100
on the road. I'm not saying

793
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,100
they are like. Or

794
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:17,100
like they're not allowed to be

795
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,100
on the road,

796
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,100
but they are.

797
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:28,100
>> And they're not required

798
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:29,100
to be registered either.

799
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,100
Correct.

800
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,100
>> Here's a whole new paint

801
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:35,100
job. One thing for me.

802
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,100
>> So, we just can't declare

803
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,100
motorcycles correct.

804
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:38,100
>> We're not allowed

805
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,100
to change the definition

806
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,100
of citizen.

807
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:44,100
>> State law and you snip.

808
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,100
So, is anyone opposed to this

809
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:46,100
insurance?

810
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,100
>> I don't really have your

811
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:48,100
opinion either way.

812
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:49,100
>> I know I kind

813
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,100
of want that. This. Does this

814
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,100
make it harder

815
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,100
for the officers to enforce or

816
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,100
does this most likely. If a

817
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:56,100
person is pulled over

818
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,100
by an officer, they've already

819
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,401
probably broken some other

820
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,100
correct tool.

821
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:03,100
>> They have to have grounds

822
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:05,100
to pull them over. So, they

823
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:06,100
wouldn't know they didn't have

824
00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:07,100
insurance by looking

825
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,100
at them.

826
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:10,100
>> So, the. This is discovered

827
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:11,100
after they've already pulled

828
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:12,100
them over.

829
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:13,100
>> Something else. Can I.

830
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:14,100
>> So, it's

831
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:15,100
like a telephone call,

832
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,100
right?

833
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,100
>> Yeah, it's a secondary

834
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:18,100
offense, but they can't. So,

835
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,100
it's not technically a

836
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:21,100
secondary offense because a

837
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:22,100
secondary offense usually says

838
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,100
if you're. You have to. You can

839
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,100
only ticket them if there's

840
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,100
another thing on the ticket.

841
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:28,100
But if they pull them over,

842
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,100
they realize they haven't

843
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,100
violated it and they don't have

844
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:31,100
insurance, they get tick.

845
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,100
>> But to Chris's point about

846
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,100
how this stuff is processed

847
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:37,100
in court and the severity

848
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,100
of what the charge is, you

849
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,100
know, you can identify a more

850
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,100
severe usage

851
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,100
with more charges. And just the

852
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,100
same, you can also please

853
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:49,100
something down. So, you know,

854
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,100
some of these are going

855
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:55,100
to have points. Insurance.

856
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:56,100
Insurance violations don't have

857
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:57,100
points, but the moving

858
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,100
violations do have points.

859
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,100
So, somebody who has made a

860
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,100
stupid mistake and is. Might be

861
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:05,100
worried

862
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:07,100
about how many points they have

863
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:09,100
on their license as a young

864
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:10,100
person might have an

865
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:11,100
opportunity to plead

866
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:13,100
to the insurance violation.

867
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,401
That's not the reason

868
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:22,100
to enact it. But you asked the

869
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,100
question before.

870
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:25,100
>> I think. I think I'm

871
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,100
on the fence too, because I.

872
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,100
Council Member Mulvey makes a

873
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:31,100
good point

874
00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,100
with homeowners insurance.

875
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:34,100
They also could sue,

876
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,100
of course, which is probably

877
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,100
what will happen anyway.

878
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,100
>> But. So, I, I think my

879
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,100
biggest concern is if someone

880
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,100
were walking

881
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:45,100
down the street and got struck

882
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:46,100
by one

883
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:47,100
of these and severely injured,

884
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:48,100
would they. Would they be

885
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,100
covered medically? Could they

886
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,100
be covered for that? And that's

887
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:54,100
my biggest concern. If somebody

888
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:55,100
were to get hit by one

889
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:58,100
of these, I guess that's. And

890
00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:59,100
there's been noted deaths

891
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,100
before too.

892
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,100
>> I mean, well,

893
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,100
it's what I saw yesterday.

894
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:05,100
>> Yeah.

895
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:06,100
>> So, I think didn't happen

896
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,100
too long ago in Denver

897
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,100
with a scooter. So, I, I, I

898
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:12,100
just that would be my question

899
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,100
is that the victim is protected

900
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,100
or has some protection and

901
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:16,100
maybe that's there's other ways

902
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,100
for that to happen.

903
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,100
>> I don't know if it's

904
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,100
necessary or not.

905
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,100
>> May I ask Michael?

906
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,100
>> Mayor, another thing,

907
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:25,100
thinking about your last

908
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,100
conversation and creating

909
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:30,100
disincentives,

910
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,100
it might be a disincentive

911
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:32,100
for the parent

912
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,100
to allow the E-bike

913
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,100
to be purchased

914
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:36,100
in the first place because

915
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,100
of the additional cost

916
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,100
to co-inciprate it.

917
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,100
>> So, would this not also

918
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,100
penalize those who take their E

919
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,100
bike to Rampart Range?

920
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,100
>> And so, E-bikes are not a

921
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,100
highway vehicle.

922
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:54,100
>> So no, not you,

923
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,100
but the motorcycle. Whatever.

924
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,100
>> So that. Yes. I mean they'd

925
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,100
have to have insurance under

926
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:58,100
this and if they never intend

927
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:59,100
or do right

928
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:00,100
on the street.

929
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:01,100
>> Yeah.

930
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,100
>> It is saying that if you're

931
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:03,100
operating in the city,

932
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:04,100
regardless of where it is,

933
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,100
if it's

934
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,100
in the city's jurisdiction,

935
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,100
you need insurance.

936
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,100
>> The Rampart range is not in

937
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,100
our drastic question that just

938
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,100
came up as well. You know,

939
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:13,100
this is more

940
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:14,100
of a public policy issue.

941
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,401
But do we want

942
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,100
to be the first ones to do

943
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,100
something this extreme?

944
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,100
>> Well, you definitely aren't

945
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:26,100
at the first for insurance

946
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,100
because I did this is

947
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:29,100
like it's a driver's license.

948
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,100
Insurance is

949
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,100
like the two top regulations.

950
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,100
So, if you're going

951
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,100
to regulate it,

952
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,100
that's the top ones.

953
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,100
>> Okay.

954
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:37,100
>> So, you definitely won't be

955
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,100
the first. But. So, I wouldn't

956
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:40,100
let that necessarily dissuade

957
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:41,100
you.

958
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,100
>> Who would we be in bed with?

959
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:45,601
I didn't mind being the first

960
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,100
on the vaping statute, but this

961
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:53,100
might be a little different and

962
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,100
I feel

963
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,100
like

964
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,100
insurance one anyway,

965
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:58,100
I might have it. Let me look it

966
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,100
up while we are on here because

967
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:00,100
I don't have my matrix printed

968
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,100
out.

969
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,100
>> I'm sure we can answer that

970
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,100
later. Thank you.

971
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:06,100
>> We amend this

972
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:07,100
down the line though, so we

973
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:08,100
could,

974
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,100
we could be more conservative

975
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,100
with this. And then if we

976
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,100
wanted

977
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,100
to amend it and add.

978
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,100
>> Yeah, so, so for me, I'm

979
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,100
on the fence

980
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,100
on this too. I feel

981
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:20,100
like there we would need,

982
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,100
we probably don't have an

983
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,100
obligation, but we would need

984
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100
to do a lot of education to

985
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,100
parents and people that rule

986
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:29,601
these to make sure that they're

987
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,100
getting the insurance.

988
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,100
But not having this does not.

989
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,100
We're still enforcing what we

990
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,100
want to with the other rules

991
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,100
that we're creating. So not

992
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,100
having this there would not

993
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,100
defeat what we're trying

994
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,100
to accomplish. And so, I, right

995
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,100
now I'm leaning towards we ERR

996
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,100
on not putting this in there

997
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,100
and we can potentially put it

998
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:49,100
in there in the future.

999
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:51,100
>> Could we also, in part

1000
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,100
of our communications,

1001
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:55,100
communicate that this was a

1002
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,401
consideration, but we didn't

1003
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,100
feel time was appropriate and

1004
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:06,100
we'd like to look

1005
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,100
into it more. That would

1006
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,100
generate the feedback that we

1007
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,100
want because for all we know,

1008
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,100
we have a huge amount

1009
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,100
of seniors in our community

1010
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:19,100
that want this. And then how

1011
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:20,100
many, you know,

1012
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,100
eight-year-old parents don't,

1013
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,100
you know? We don't know.

1014
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:27,100
>> Sure.

1015
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:28,100
>> We also have a lot

1016
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,100
of hills. I mean maybe not

1017
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:31,100
over here, but

1018
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,100
in my districts, all hills.

1019
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,100
And so the ability

1020
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,100
to fly up and

1021
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:37,100
down a hill carries both sides

1022
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,100
of this.

1023
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,100
>> Okay, so I will remove that

1024
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:44,100
for your first reading and then

1025
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,100
we can always add it back in.

1026
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,100
>> Scroll up that resolution.

1027
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,100
>> But you nodded

1028
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:50,100
this way instead

1029
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:51,100
of that way.

1030
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,100
>> Yeah. This is going

1031
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:55,100
to be an ordinance. So next

1032
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,100
slide. Okay, so this is the

1033
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,100
reckless driving. So, this

1034
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,100
prohibits someone from

1035
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,100
operating a hop highway vehicle

1036
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,100
within the city and a willful

1037
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,100
or wanton disregard

1038
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,100
for the safety or persons

1039
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,100
of persons or property. And

1040
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,100
this is the definition of

1041
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,100
willful or wanton disregard

1042
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,100
that.

1043
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,100
>> So, we track the model

1044
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,100
municipal code that we already

1045
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,100
use for careless and reckless

1046
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,100
in language.

1047
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:35,100
>> This is. I think that. No,

1048
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,100
this is a specific one for

1049
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,100
willful month because this will

1050
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,100
not be on points for your like

1051
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,100
driver's license because you

1052
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,100
don't need to be licensed

1053
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,100
to have this. So, it wouldn't

1054
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:44,100
go on your points. It would be

1055
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,100
a separate municipal code

1056
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,100
violation. So, it wouldn't go

1057
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:47,100
on here. So, I tracked it

1058
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:48,100
to match with other people's

1059
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,100
reckless.

1060
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,100
>> So, we have the model

1061
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,100
municipal code. The MUTC is our

1062
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,100
definition of what is reckless

1063
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,100
and what is careless. Match the

1064
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,100
same language as the 4202 for

1065
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,100
careless and the whatever is

1066
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,100
the equivalent for reckless.

1067
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,100
>> I will double check

1068
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,100
for you because I,

1069
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,100
I don't know that off the top

1070
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,100
of my head. I just know this is

1071
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:15,100
what other codes have said. So

1072
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,100
I wouldn't be shocked if they

1073
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,100
did. And that's where they took

1074
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:21,100
it from.

1075
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,100
>> It looks similar,

1076
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,100
but there's a couple of words

1077
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,100
that look a little different.

1078
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,100
So, I would just. That we could

1079
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,100
make them match them.

1080
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:29,100
>> Okay.

1081
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:30,100
>> So that there would be a

1082
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,100
fair expectation and not get

1083
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,100
nailed on a defense that it's

1084
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,100
not that.

1085
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:34,100
>> Okay, I can definitely make

1086
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,100
it match. If it does match. Is

1087
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:36,100
everyone okay with this?

1088
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:37,100
>> Yes.

1089
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:38,100
>> And then. So, it'll be the

1090
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,100
same one for next slide.

1091
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,100
That's careless. I will also

1092
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,100
make sure this matches the

1093
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,100
module.

1094
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:48,100
>> No, not that. Because we

1095
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,100
don't. And then would we.

1096
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,100
Would we have this. Would we

1097
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:57,100
have the same with and without

1098
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,100
injury distinction that the

1099
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,100
model traffic code has?

1100
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,401
>> Do you want that?

1101
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,100
>> So, the model traffic code,

1102
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,100
if you're operating a car, you

1103
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,100
get a careless and you don't

1104
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:11,100
injure anybody. It's one. It's

1105
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,100
like a X number of points. If

1106
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,100
you get a careless and you. If

1107
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,100
somebody claims injury,

1108
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,100
it's another kind of points and

1109
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,100
the fine is different.

1110
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,100
>> So, we wouldn't do points

1111
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:21,100
because again, it's not

1112
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:22,100
like no differential.

1113
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,100
>> Right.

1114
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,100
>> Knife.

1115
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,100
>> I just. Do we want to make

1116
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,100
that distinction? I don't know.

1117
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,100
I think it's. It makes a big

1118
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,100
difference.

1119
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,100
>> Right.

1120
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,100
>> If someone's injured or not.

1121
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:36,100
>> Okay, so instead of points

1122
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,100
to be fines,

1123
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,100
is that what you're saying?

1124
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:39,100
Like.

1125
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,100
>> Well, the penalty. So, the

1126
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:41,100
penalty is different. So,

1127
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,100
there's also a different kind

1128
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:48,100
of difference that the class

1129
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,100
of effects. But there's

1130
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,100
like section one is, you know,

1131
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,100
on your ticket, no injury,

1132
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,100
and section two is

1133
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,100
with injury. And the penalty is

1134
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,401
different for each. So.

1135
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,100
>> And it.

1136
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:05,401
>> And it's often harder

1137
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,100
to plead down an injury one.

1138
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,100
So, it's. It's just a deterrent

1139
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,100
feeling. So then would the

1140
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,100
judge then make a discretion

1141
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,100
of what the.

1142
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,100
>> Yeah, I mean, you could set

1143
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,100
one or the other a minimum fine

1144
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,100
for each type. Maximum fine

1145
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:21,100
for each type. So, I could have

1146
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,100
some language

1147
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,100
in there and you guys can play

1148
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,100
around with the fee. Whatever.

1149
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,100
I said, I'll look at what is

1150
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,100
recommended or what I can find.

1151
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:29,100
>> I'm sorry, please explain

1152
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,100
again,

1153
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:32,100
why would there be no points

1154
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,100
on driver's license?

1155
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:35,100
>> So, this. So, we can. You

1156
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,100
can only put driver's license

1157
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,100
points if you're operating a

1158
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,100
motor vehicle that's licensed

1159
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,100
and registered here. You don't

1160
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:41,100
technically even need

1161
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,100
to have a driver's license.

1162
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:44,100
So, you couldn't put points on

1163
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,100
someone else. A driver's

1164
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:47,100
license that doesn't exist

1165
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,100
because it's not operating a

1166
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,100
motor vehicle. So, I don't

1167
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,100
think. I don't want to get it.

1168
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,100
I don't think we should touch

1169
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,100
that. I don't think that would

1170
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,100
probably even be legal for us

1171
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:58,100
to do that. Yeah. So.

1172
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,100
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1173
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,100
>> Yes.

1174
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,100
>> So we're not talking here

1175
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,100
specifically on the streets.

1176
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:07,100
We're talking anywhere in

1177
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,100
California.

1178
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:09,100
>> Anywhere. So, I mean

1179
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,100
like a sidewalk or like, you

1180
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,100
know, an open space.

1181
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,100
>> Yeah.

1182
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:14,100
>> Okay.

1183
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,100
>> Okay.

1184
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,100
>> And next slide.

1185
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,100
>> What do we decide

1186
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:23,100
on that one?

1187
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:24,100
>> Oh, yeah. We do want will

1188
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:25,100
with and without injury. And

1189
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,100
I'll match it to the model

1190
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:27,100
traffic code and then I'll just

1191
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,100
put in a fee, or I'll talk to

1192
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,100
Michael and we'll talk

1193
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:30,100
about setting a fee. And then

1194
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:31,100
you guys can always amend that

1195
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,100
on.

1196
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:33,100
>> And Mayor, it does. It does

1197
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,100
appear that the model traffic

1198
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:36,100
code, the reckless driving,

1199
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,100
careless driving terminology is

1200
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,100
the same.

1201
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:42,100
>> Good.

1202
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:43,100
>> Thank you.

1203
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,100
>> All right, so safety

1204
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,100
equipment we touched

1205
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:48,100
on a little bit, but we didn't

1206
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,100
actually discuss specifics.

1207
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:51,100
So, I put more broad ones in

1208
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,100
and you guys can take them out.

1209
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,100
So, for safety of helmet,

1210
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,100
it's helmets. Operators

1211
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,100
under the age of 18 need to be

1212
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,100
wearing a helmet and then eye

1213
00:34:58,100 --> 00:34:59,100
protection regardless of age.

1214
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,100
And then proof of compliance

1215
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,100
basically means that a.

1216
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,100
Like the sheriff can pull you

1217
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,100
over if you're not wearing a

1218
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,100
helmet and won't let you

1219
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,100
operate it until you put your

1220
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,100
helmet on.

1221
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:12,100
>> So, I think we did talk

1222
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,100
about helmets a little bit. We

1223
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:14,100
didn't talk

1224
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:15,100
about eye protection. So, I

1225
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,100
just wanted to hear.

1226
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,100
>> When you're. If we ask for

1227
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,100
eye protection and the shading

1228
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,100
is too much,

1229
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:21,100
that could obscure the vision,

1230
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,100
especially

1231
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,100
at dusk or nighttime driving,

1232
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:35,100
which these do. So that's the

1233
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,601
only thing that comes to mind

1234
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,100
for me that it might end up

1235
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,100
causing more of a problem.

1236
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,100
This is just a thought or just

1237
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,100
maybe.

1238
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:50,100
>> Have I seen other

1239
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,100
regulations that have more just

1240
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:53,100
a specificity about being able

1241
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,100
to see out

1242
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,100
of the eye protection? Because

1243
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,100
there are those helmets that

1244
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,100
make it dark in those when at

1245
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:58,100
night it doesn't count as eye

1246
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,100
protection because you can't

1247
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,100
see out of it.

1248
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,100
>> Yeah. The helmets the kids

1249
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:02,100
are using don't have a visor.

1250
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:03,100
So, we would be asking them to

1251
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:04,100
purchase something additional.

1252
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:05,100
>> Yeah, it'd be like eye

1253
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,100
goggles or getting a helmet

1254
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,100
that has advice advisor. But I

1255
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,100
don't know. I think that. I

1256
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,100
think it's unnecessary if I

1257
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,100
connection.

1258
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,100
>> I think.

1259
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:15,100
>> I think the helmet is what

1260
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,100
we're looking at for safety. I

1261
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:18,100
think if you were riding it

1262
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,100
on the highway and worrying

1263
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,100
about a rock kicking up or dust

1264
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:21,100
or something like that,

1265
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,100
I just. I think the likelihood

1266
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:23,100
of that biggest safety issue is

1267
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,401
not having a helmet,

1268
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,100
which is known

1269
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,100
to be a big safety issue.

1270
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:40,100
>> So, I would just say the

1271
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,100
helmet. That'd be my

1272
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,100
recommendation.

1273
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,100
>> How would. So, the sheriff

1274
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,100
would have the discretion

1275
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,100
to pull someone

1276
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,100
over because they maybe looked

1277
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100
like they're on rating.

1278
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,100
>> Yeah. I mean, it's like the

1279
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,100
motorcycles have the same law

1280
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:57,100
right now that every

1281
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,100
motorcyclist or the HHC wear an

1282
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,100
helmet. So, it's basically the

1283
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:03,100
same. I think it's probably

1284
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:04,100
something they add

1285
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,100
on they pull you over

1286
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,100
for driving recklessly. You

1287
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,100
also don't have a helmet on.

1288
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:11,100
At that point,

1289
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,100
they know you're under 18 and

1290
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,100
they give you another ticket.

1291
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:18,100
Most likely. I mean, I guess

1292
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:19,100
sometimes it's pretty obvious

1293
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,100
they're not easy, but

1294
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,100
>> I don't think it's necessary

1295
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,401
either. But I still,

1296
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,100
I'm still curious

1297
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,100
about that aspect. Can a

1298
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,100
sheriff pull. I'm going

1299
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,100
to use the word air quotes,

1300
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,100
kid

1301
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,100
over because they think they're

1302
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,100
under 18 or it has to be only

1303
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:35,100
in conjunction

1304
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:36,100
with another infraction.

1305
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:37,100
>> So, the way that I've seen

1306
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,100
it, it's not a secondary

1307
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,100
defense because that usually

1308
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:40,100
has very specific language. But

1309
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,100
as an enforcement mechanism,

1310
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,100
I'm not sure I can ask how

1311
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:43,100
they're doing it now

1312
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,100
with motorcycles. And if they

1313
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,100
might, they might be treating

1314
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,100
it as a secondary offense, even

1315
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,100
though it's technically not.

1316
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,100
>> Yeah.

1317
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,100
>> Excuse me.

1318
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,100
>> You're more likely on a

1319
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:52,100
motorcycle. I think you're more

1320
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,100
likely to be 18 or older.

1321
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,100
Where these other vehicles

1322
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:55,100
maybe not so much. So, I,

1323
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,100
I just. Fear, not fear.

1324
00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:59,100
But I, you know,

1325
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,100
my thought process is,

1326
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:02,100
does the sheriff have the,

1327
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,100
the authority to say,

1328
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,100
let me see your idea? Because I

1329
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,100
was doing nothing wrong other

1330
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:09,100
than not wearing a helmet?

1331
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,100
>> Yeah.

1332
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,100
>> You're getting a probable

1333
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,100
cause type stuff. Sure.

1334
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,601
>> Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's

1335
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:18,100
like a,

1336
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,100
it would be a probable cause

1337
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,100
to pull someone

1338
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:22,100
over if you think they're

1339
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,100
under 18 and the only thing

1340
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,100
they're doing is not helmet.

1341
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,100
>> I think that's a good

1342
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,100
question. I don't know how

1343
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,100
they're handling it now. I

1344
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,100
definitely. Please put that

1345
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,100
in the staff reports

1346
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,100
of the ordinance.

1347
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,100
>> Okay.

1348
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:48,100
>> And next slide. All right,

1349
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:53,100
so this is impoundment. This

1350
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:54,100
authorizes the sheriff's office

1351
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,100
to impound vehicle. Or these

1352
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,100
off highway vehicles may have

1353
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,100
probable cause that they're

1354
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,100
being operated in violation

1355
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,100
of this, again,

1356
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:04,100
article not chapter. And then

1357
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,100
it sets forth regulations

1358
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,100
for how long it's being held.

1359
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,100
There's an impoundment fee,

1360
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,100
which you would later establish

1361
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,100
by resolution your fee

1362
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:12,100
schedule, and a storage fee

1363
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:13,100
after five days. So again,

1364
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,100
when I was doing my research,

1365
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,100
only one municipality had an

1366
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,100
impoundment. But it might be

1367
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,100
something that y' all want

1368
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,100
to add on as eligibility

1369
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,100
for the sheriff's office

1370
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,100
to do. We ran this by the

1371
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,100
sheriff's office and they were

1372
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,100
fine.

1373
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:36,100
>> I have a question. I know

1374
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,100
that the, the other

1375
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,100
municipality that's doing this

1376
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:40,100
also has a provision where they

1377
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:41,100
can sell it after 90 days or

1378
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:42,100
something.

1379
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:43,100
>> That's something they want

1380
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,100
to do.

1381
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,100
>> So, it's not just they're

1382
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,100
not

1383
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,100
like huge garage full of.

1384
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,401
>> So, is it 90 days?

1385
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,100
>> So, this one doesn't have

1386
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:56,100
the 90-day thing,

1387
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,100
but I can look into that.

1388
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:59,100
>> It has

1389
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,100
to be something that's going

1390
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,100
to sting or it's not going

1391
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,100
to be like Nate was saying.

1392
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,100
You give some of These families

1393
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,100
a 200 fine, they're going to.

1394
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,100
They're going to pay it.

1395
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:13,201
But if you on top of that,

1396
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,100
take the vehicle,

1397
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:19,100
either they'll go buy another

1398
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:20,100
one, or there's what the other

1399
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,100
one doesn't. I think the

1400
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:22,100
palace.

1401
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,100
>> I. I think we need one of

1402
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,100
those pool tickets because

1403
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,100
everyone's just talking

1404
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,100
to each other.

1405
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,100
>> Okay, I'm sorry.

1406
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,100
>> I had my hand up,

1407
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,100
but I'll you go. Michael. Can

1408
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,100
we get a ticket taker? We can.

1409
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,100
So, my proposal for this and

1410
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,100
maybe the same or different

1411
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,401
than the municipal, whatever,

1412
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,401
if someone is able

1413
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,100
to drive the vehicle home,

1414
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
then not impound it. Someone

1415
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,100
of age, illegal, all that. And

1416
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:52,100
then if there's not,

1417
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:54,100
then it gets impounded. That's

1418
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,100
my two thoughts. Two cents.

1419
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,100
>> I'm glad you went

1420
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:03,601
before me because I was going

1421
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:07,100
to hearken back to what we see

1422
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,100
with the golf carts. And the

1423
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,100
golf carts, sometimes they'll

1424
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,100
let them drive them home and

1425
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,100
then they just come back. So,

1426
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,100
there's that. I

1427
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
like impoundment,

1428
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,100
but I'm thinking about. This is

1429
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,100
my second point about the

1430
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,100
sheriff really is the one

1431
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,100
with the authority on that.

1432
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,100
And so,

1433
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:22,100
if we impose a pedal a time

1434
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,100
period, are we asking the

1435
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:25,100
sheriff's office to do more

1436
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,100
than they already do? So maybe

1437
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,100
we could mirror what they

1438
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,100
already do.

1439
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:30,100
>> So, they have no regulations

1440
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,100
on off highway.

1441
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,100
But I could ask what they do

1442
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,100
for other goals. Yeah, I mean,

1443
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,100
we did.

1444
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,100
>> We.

1445
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,100
>> I think we discussed broad

1446
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,100
terms of impoundment

1447
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,401
with the sheriff's office,

1448
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,100
and they were all for it.

1449
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:46,100
But I also probably would want

1450
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,100
to talk to them about the

1451
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,100
90-day thing. I don't want to,

1452
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,100
you know, commit

1453
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,100
to them holding something for

1454
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:53,100
90 days and they don't want to.

1455
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,100
So, I think let's let me loop

1456
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:57,100
back with the sheriff

1457
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:58,100
on how they handle impoundment.

1458
00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:59,100
And if they want

1459
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,100
to have a time frame to what

1460
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:02,100
Ron said as well, the time

1461
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:03,100
period has a definite deterrent

1462
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,100
value. And then it becomes non

1463
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:05,100
deterrent to whoever said they

1464
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,100
could just go buy another one.

1465
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:07,100
So that does matter. You know,

1466
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:08,100
you had your stuff taken away

1467
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,100
for like your phone taken away

1468
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:11,100
for a week matters. Do you know

1469
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,100
what I mean?

1470
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:13,100
>> That kind of thing. Yeah.

1471
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:14,100
>> Okay, so is there levels

1472
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,100
to this?

1473
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,100
Like if they had three of the

1474
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,100
Violations like we've had, you

1475
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:18,100
know, we have multiple

1476
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,100
violations here.

1477
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,601
Like not everyone, Not. Not one

1478
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,100
small infraction gets the.

1479
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,100
Sure, like impounded. But if

1480
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,100
there were maybe a severity

1481
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:45,100
of it,

1482
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,100
I think that's how it would be

1483
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:49,100
with like vehicle, motor

1484
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,100
vehicle,

1485
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,100
like a DUI or something

1486
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,100
like that.

1487
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:56,100
>> The heightened level is what

1488
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,100
determines if the car is

1489
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,100
impounded or not.

1490
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,100
>> And under this provision,

1491
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,100
it's just saying they're here

1492
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,100
but authorized, not directed.

1493
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:04,100
So, they would have the

1494
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,100
discretion. They know the

1495
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,100
repeat offenders. I would

1496
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,100
probably. I would want them

1497
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,100
to have the discretion of when

1498
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:11,100
to found the vehicle so that.

1499
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,100
That would have that. So, I

1500
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:14,100
will look up and selling the

1501
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:15,100
vehicle after certain

1502
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:16,100
amendments and also make sure

1503
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,100
it's. The sheriff wants to do

1504
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:18,100
this and all that stuff.

1505
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:19,100
>> And what

1506
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,100
about returning it, you know,

1507
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,100
is there. We don't want

1508
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,100
to add a due process concern

1509
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,100
with how

1510
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,401
to get something back.

1511
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:31,100
>> Yeah, I'll check with how

1512
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:32,100
they handle impoundments

1513
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,100
of other vehicles.

1514
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:34,100
>> Be nice if we just follow

1515
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100
the same policy that they

1516
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:36,100
already have for impound.

1517
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,100
>> I do have one last question,

1518
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:38,100
I think, though. So, if my

1519
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,100
vehicle is impounded

1520
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,100
after five years, it goes into.

1521
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,100
I pay a storage fee. Do I pay

1522
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:43,100
that storage fee every day up

1523
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:44,100
until 90-days or after

1524
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:46,100
Friday? Like, if it ultimately

1525
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,100
gets sold, I lose my vehicle.

1526
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,100
Plus, I pay 85 days

1527
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,100
of storage.

1528
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:50,100
>> Storage, yeah.

1529
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,100
>> So, the way it's written

1530
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,100
now, it's that you should pay

1531
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:55,100
the storage fee,

1532
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:56,100
which is established or

1533
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:57,100
modified by resolution for each

1534
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:58,100
day that the vehicle remains.

1535
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,100
So, you guys would set a per

1536
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,100
day that does the sheriff's

1537
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:01,100
thing again?

1538
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:02,100
>> I think probably, yeah,

1539
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,100
you'd want to talk

1540
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,100
to the sheriff to make sure

1541
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,100
that number was high enough.

1542
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,100
And you probably would have

1543
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,100
to use kind

1544
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:08,100
of cautionary.

1545
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,100
>> A little bit out of the box

1546
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:11,100
that serves the storage fee.

1547
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:12,100
How about a cheap version

1548
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:13,100
of the California Boot?

1549
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:14,100
>> I don't. Yeah, that's not

1550
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,100
something I looked up. But I

1551
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,100
could ask them if that's

1552
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:18,100
feasible.

1553
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:21,601
>> That way the cops don't have

1554
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,100
to store it

1555
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:26,100
in their facility. Who they are

1556
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,100
responsible for.

1557
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:44,100
>> Garage, you're booted.

1558
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,100
>> And if you. If you break the

1559
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,100
boot, you get another. Get

1560
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,100
another file on top

1561
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:48,100
of that.

1562
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:49,100
>> So, I will talk to the

1563
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,100
sheriff. I don't think you can

1564
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:51,100
follow the kid home and force

1565
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:52,100
them to do it

1566
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:53,100
in their property.

1567
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,100
>> Well, I would just point

1568
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:55,100
out that I think so. So, the

1569
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,100
sheriff's office did read the

1570
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,100
ordinance, and they were fine

1571
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:59,100
with this language

1572
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:00,100
for the comment. And keep

1573
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,100
in mind, we're. I mean,

1574
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,100
similar

1575
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,100
to a vehicle they're not going

1576
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:05,100
to let the vehicle sit there

1577
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:06,100
in an unsafe manner. And so,

1578
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,100
if you can't push the thing

1579
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:08,100
home, they're going to.

1580
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,100
They're not going

1581
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:11,100
to let the kid ride at home

1582
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,100
in violation

1583
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:13,100
of what they just witnessed.

1584
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:14,100
And so having an impoundment

1585
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,100
option or come have your parent

1586
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,100
come down. Going back

1587
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:18,100
to the DUI example, hey,

1588
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:19,100
if you can get somebody here

1589
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,100
in the next 30 minutes type

1590
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,100
of thing. So. But they did read

1591
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:23,100
it as written,

1592
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,100
and they were comfortable

1593
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:26,100
with as proposed.

1594
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,100
>> So, thank you.

1595
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:28,100
>> We'll follow up

1596
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,100
to all the questions.

1597
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:31,100
>> Michael, does that have to

1598
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:32,100
be an ordinance or a resolution

1599
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,100
from us or can that just be

1600
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,100
part of the discretion

1601
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,100
of the sheriff?

1602
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,100
>> Well, right now. Right now,

1603
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,100
it's written as discretion

1604
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:40,100
of the sheriff

1605
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,100
for the impoundment. Right. Or

1606
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,100
if the kid says, well,

1607
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:44,100
my house is right there, well,

1608
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:48,100
put it neutral and push it up

1609
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,100
there and let me. And I'll sit

1610
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,100
here for the next two minutes

1611
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,100
while you push it home. Those

1612
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,100
kind of discretions. I think

1613
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,100
now the sheriff would really

1614
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,100
handle that.

1615
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:57,100
But they're not going

1616
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,100
to leave it on a sidewalk

1617
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,100
inside of CPY, right? Yeah, I'm

1618
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:01,100
pretty sure they're. You're not

1619
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,100
going to carry separate boots

1620
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,100
around for us.

1621
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,100
>> That's what they do

1622
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,100
with the golf carts. They make

1623
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,100
them take it home. Yeah, but

1624
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:13,100
they can't enter the home

1625
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:14,100
property. The police can't go

1626
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,401
on the home property

1627
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,100
without a different kind

1628
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,100
of private phone.

1629
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,100
>> All right, so that is all

1630
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:26,100
the off-highway vehicle stuff.

1631
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,100
So, I will get those changed.

1632
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:29,100
Now we're going to switch

1633
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:30,100
to these LSEVs as a reminder.

1634
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,100
Those are basically the golf

1635
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:33,100
carts that can go a little

1636
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,100
faster and are street legal.

1637
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,100
So next slide. So, this first

1638
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,100
provision is a driver's license

1639
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,100
requirement. This is already

1640
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,100
required by state law,

1641
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:45,100
but some people like to put it

1642
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:46,100
in there so that they can take

1643
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,100
it for it

1644
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,100
in their own municipal court.

1645
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,100
So again,

1646
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,100
this is already required.

1647
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,100
>> Do we want an argument?

1648
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,100
Yes, because otherwise we may

1649
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:55,100
copy all the ticket for yes,

1650
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:57,100
because we might not be able

1651
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:58,100
to ticket for it, but you have

1652
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:00,100
to call somebody else.

1653
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:01,100
>> They can still write

1654
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:03,100
to county court. So, they could

1655
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:04,100
still at the good sheriff.

1656
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,100
So, they can. They can still

1657
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,100
write it in the county court.

1658
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:07,100
It's just saying you guys want

1659
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,100
to see this in your court? If

1660
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,100
you just want it to go to

1661
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,100
Gabby.

1662
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:14,100
>> Well, yeah, go into county

1663
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,100
courts more severe. And then if

1664
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,100
you have the same offense

1665
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,100
with one

1666
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,100
in county court and one

1667
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:21,100
in our court, makes no sense.

1668
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:22,100
So, I'd say put it in Our

1669
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,100
court.

1670
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,100
>> Well, then we get the fine

1671
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,100
associated with it.

1672
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:29,100
>> Always looking

1673
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,100
at a dollar.

1674
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,401
>> Well, and then your

1675
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,100
municipal judge is overseeing

1676
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:35,100
enforcement

1677
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:36,100
of your ordinances,

1678
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,100
dismissing them too. Yeah,

1679
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,100
whatever you feel is

1680
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:39,100
appropriate

1681
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:41,100
to give them circumstances.

1682
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,100
>> This, I just want

1683
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:43,100
to start. You know,

1684
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,100
this is not the golf cart

1685
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:46,100
with the seat belts, the

1686
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,100
lights, the license plate.

1687
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:48,100
We're talking about

1688
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,100
like golf cart, golf carts

1689
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,100
on the pool of passenger.

1690
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,100
>> So, we're talking about the

1691
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,100
ones that do have their street

1692
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:55,100
legal. So they have to have,

1693
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,100
they have to be registered.

1694
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,100
They have

1695
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100
to have a driver's license.

1696
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:00,100
They have

1697
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,100
to have turn signals, brake

1698
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:03,100
lights, headlights,

1699
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:04,100
all that stuff. We're not

1700
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:05,100
talking about golf carts that

1701
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,100
are not allowed

1702
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:08,100
on the street. So, these are

1703
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:09,100
just. The original intent

1704
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:10,100
of this part

1705
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,100
of the ordinance was

1706
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,100
to do child restraints,

1707
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:14,100
which is going

1708
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,100
to be the next slide.

1709
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,100
But I also put driver's license

1710
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:18,100
on there.

1711
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:19,100
>> But again, saying what

1712
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,100
for those same.

1713
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,100
>> You have to have a driver's

1714
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,100
license to operate.

1715
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:26,100
>> Thank you.

1716
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:27,100
>> Sorry, can I ask a question?

1717
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:28,100
Just, just for us to think

1718
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,100
about if we're, if we're

1719
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:32,100
regulating the ones that are

1720
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:34,100
already safer and not the ones

1721
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:35,100
that are ordinary golf carts.

1722
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:36,100
The Pete kids are driving

1723
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:38,100
on the street anyway. Do we run

1724
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,100
the risk

1725
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,100
of encouraging the wrong type

1726
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,100
of thing? Just to think about.

1727
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,100
I don't know how people would

1728
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,100
react to that. But if I'm

1729
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,100
buying a golf cart and I know

1730
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:49,100
the tricked out one's going to

1731
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:52,100
get me a ticket and the other

1732
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:53,100
one isn't,

1733
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,100
I might be more inclined

1734
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,100
to buy the other one.

1735
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,100
But you're going to go

1736
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:00,100
through those regulations too,

1737
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,100
right?

1738
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,100
>> So, you guys did not want

1739
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:04,100
to. Yeah, the child one. So,

1740
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,100
the golf carts are not

1741
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,100
in the ordinance. If you guys

1742
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,100
want to do something

1743
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,100
with golf parts,

1744
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:10,100
I think the only. And then you

1745
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,100
can actually just go to the

1746
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,100
next slide because you can.

1747
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,401
>> It's the child restraints.

1748
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,100
>> So, this is the child

1749
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:19,100
restraints and then they have

1750
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,100
the specific ones. The issue I

1751
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,100
think with the golf part is

1752
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:24,100
there's no way

1753
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:25,100
to put a child restraint in

1754
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,100
them because they don't have

1755
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:28,100
seat belts, they probably don't

1756
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:29,100
have the latch system,

1757
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:30,100
that kind of stuff. So, they're

1758
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:31,100
not legal

1759
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,100
on the roads and they're not.

1760
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:33,100
They're not ever intended to be

1761
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,100
used the way that they are

1762
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:36,100
actually being used. So, this

1763
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,100
is. So, for this one, though.

1764
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,100
So, it's basically saying that

1765
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,100
you have to have. Everyone has

1766
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,100
to have a safety belt

1767
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:45,100
on or a child restraint system.

1768
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,100
We didn't talk

1769
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,100
about safety belts. So, if you

1770
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
don't want safety Belts, I can

1771
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,100
remove that. And then this is

1772
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,100
just the more specific ones

1773
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:53,100
that I saw

1774
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:54,100
from another municipality.

1775
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,100
>> So, the first two are not

1776
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,100
impacted by my concern the

1777
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:58,100
driver's license and the child

1778
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:59,100
restraint.

1779
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,100
But the safety one is. The

1780
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:02,100
safety belt one is.

1781
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:03,100
>> Okay, so do we want. We

1782
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,100
didn't talk about that. So do

1783
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,100
we want

1784
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,100
to require safety belts

1785
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,100
for people who wouldn't need

1786
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,100
to be wearing and need to be

1787
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:13,100
in a child restraint system

1788
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:16,100
for kids who wouldn't need

1789
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,100
to be around.

1790
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,100
>> Are they already equipped

1791
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,100
with them? Safety is something.

1792
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,100
>> So, so yeah. So, these ones,

1793
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:22,100
they would probably would most

1794
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,100
likely have a safety belt. And

1795
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:26,100
then we can also specify

1796
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:35,100
in the ordinance if. If they

1797
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,100
are equipped for one. So, you

1798
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:37,100
don't have to like add one

1799
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,100
for safety belts.

1800
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,100
>> But if it's equipped,

1801
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,100
you have to have it

1802
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,100
on the ordinary. Golf carts

1803
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:58,100
tend not

1804
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:59,100
to have safety belts.

1805
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:00,100
>> Yeah,

1806
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,100
>> I'm leaning towards no.

1807
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,100
>> No for safety or no

1808
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,100
for child.

1809
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:05,100
>> No for child. Well, no,

1810
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,100
I'm all about safety,

1811
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,100
I guess.

1812
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:10,100
>> The seat belt or the child

1813
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:11,100
restraints. No, ver.

1814
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,100
>> I think. There we go.

1815
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
>> Street legal.

1816
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:16,100
>> These are street legal.

1817
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:17,100
>> Okay. Street legal

1818
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,100
to me implies same requirements

1819
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,100
for an automobile,

1820
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,100
which means you got

1821
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:22,100
to have a seat out. That's sort

1822
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,100
of redundant. If it's street

1823
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,100
legal, why would you not have

1824
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:27,100
to have.

1825
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,100
>> Not because of the way it's

1826
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:29,100
currently written. It's motor

1827
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,100
vehicles have the requirement.

1828
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,100
These aren't motor vehicles.

1829
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,100
>> Technically.

1830
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,100
>> I think we should.

1831
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:38,100
>> They're low speed electric

1832
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,100
vehicles. Yeah, I agree.

1833
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:41,100
>> These are. These would be

1834
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:42,100
driving industry with cars

1835
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:44,100
without the child restraint. I

1836
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,100
can hold the kid on my lap.

1837
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:47,100
And if there's an accident,

1838
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,100
which many people do, either

1839
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,100
whether some car hits them or

1840
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:53,100
they hit a car or they hit a

1841
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,100
curb or something. So, the

1842
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,100
conversation we heard from the

1843
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:59,100
last study session was there

1844
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:03,100
was a desire

1845
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:05,100
to ensure that kids were safe.

1846
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,100
Children are safe on these

1847
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:07,100
low-speed vehicles driving

1848
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:08,100
on city streets. So.

1849
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,100
>> Okay, so if it's a. If it's

1850
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:10,100
one that meets the criteria

1851
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:11,100
of illegal. Not illegal. A

1852
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:13,100
legal.

1853
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,100
>> Which is what these are.

1854
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,100
>> Yeah.

1855
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,100
>> Because then we require

1856
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,100
retrofitting for people who

1857
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:31,100
have them that have not. Or is

1858
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:33,100
this. Are they grandfathered

1859
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,100
in? Are we going.

1860
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,100
>> I will put something in here

1861
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:37,100
that says that the safety belts

1862
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,100
have to be. If it was

1863
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:40,100
like originally equipped

1864
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,100
with it or something. Some kind

1865
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,100
of language that. That's what

1866
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:44,100
I've seen. Yeah, that's like.

1867
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:45,100
If it was originally equipped

1868
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,100
with it,

1869
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,100
you have to.

1870
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:50,100
>> I'll do.

1871
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,100
>> Alrighty. And that is all I

1872
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,100
have. So, I will get you a

1873
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,100
Revised ordinance. The staff

1874
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,100
member will have the answers

1875
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:57,100
to some of the questions you've

1876
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,100
had and then we'll move

1877
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,100
from there.

1878
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:04,100
>> All right,

1879
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:05,100
thank you very much. Thank you

1880
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,100
very much for your work

1881
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:08,100
on this. And we are going

1882
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,100
to hold our other two topics

1883
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,100
from the study session

1884
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,100
to another study session. And

1885
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,100
we will begin our markers this

1886
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,100
meeting, regular business

1887
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,100
meeting at 6:30.

1888
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,100
Thank you. Thank you again.

1889
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:29,100
>> [ BREAK ]

1890
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,100
>> Thank you.

1891
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,100
Good evening, Council, citizen

1892
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,100
staff. I call our March 24,

1893
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:10,100
2026, City Council meeting

1894
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,100
to or at 6:30pm Please call the

1895
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,100
roll.

1896
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

1897
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:37,100
>> Madam Mayor, you have a

1898
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:38,100
quorum.

1899
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:39,100
>> Thank you very much. Would

1900
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:40,100
everyone please rise and join

1901
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:42,100
me for the Pledge of

1902
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:44,100
Allegiance.

1903
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,100
>> My pleasure.

1904
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,100
>> I pledge allegiance to the

1905
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:51,100
Flag of the United States of

1906
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,100
America and to the Republic

1907
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:55,100
for which it stands,

1908
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:56,100
one nation under God,

1909
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:57,100
indivisible,

1910
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:58,100
with liberty and justice

1911
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,100
for all.

1912
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,100
>> Moving on to the approval

1913
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:10,100
of the agenda. If there are no

1914
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,100
objections,

1915
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:13,100
the agenda will be approved.

1916
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:16,100
Hearing none. The agenda is

1917
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:20,100
approved as presented. Next, we

1918
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,100
have public comment which is

1919
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:22,100
designed for you to share your

1920
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,100
thoughts and concerns

1921
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:24,100
with city council. But it's not

1922
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:26,100
an interactive discussion. If

1923
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:27,100
you're attending tonight's

1924
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:28,100
meeting virtually and would

1925
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:29,100
like

1926
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:30,100
to give general public comment,

1927
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,100
please sign up

1928
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:33,100
by taking your name and address

1929
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,100
into the chat feature. If you

1930
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:35,100
called

1931
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,100
into tonight's meeting,

1932
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
the clerk will recognize you

1933
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:39,100
by the last four digits

1934
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:40,100
of your phone number. We ask

1935
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,100
that the chat feature only be

1936
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,100
used to sign up

1937
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:46,100
to give public comment. Clerk

1938
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:49,100
Duffy, do we have anyone signed

1939
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:50,100
up this evening?

1940
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,100
>> We do have individuals

1941
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:52,100
signed up

1942
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:53,100
for public comment.

1943
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:54,100
>> Okay, let me give a few more

1944
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:55,100
instructions then

1945
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,100
for our public comment. When

1946
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:57,100
the clerk recognizes you,

1947
01:01:57,100 --> 01:01:59,100
please start

1948
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,100
with your name and address.

1949
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,100
For the record, there's a

1950
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,100
three-minute time limit for

1951
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:07,100
individuals and a five-minute

1952
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,100
time limit for anyone

1953
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:09,100
representing a group. Again,

1954
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:11,100
although the format for public

1955
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:12,100
comment does not allow

1956
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:13,100
for an interactive dialogue

1957
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,100
with council, we do listen and

1958
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,100
we really do value your voice

1959
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:18,100
and what you have

1960
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,100
to say this evening. So, Clerk

1961
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:20,100
nephew, please call the first

1962
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,100
person.

1963
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:26,100
>> Certainly. Gretchen Coyle,

1964
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,100
if you will approach the

1965
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,100
microphone and start

1966
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,100
with your name and address

1967
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:31,401
for the record, please.

1968
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,100
>> Gretchen Coyle, 7389

1969
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,401
Timber Stone Street, Calvin.

1970
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:51,100
Started. Jeff. Right.

1971
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,100
>> My name.

1972
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,100
>> Your time has started.

1973
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,100
>> Mayor Engerman and City

1974
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,100
Council. I'm a member of PAT

1975
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,100
People Against Annexing

1976
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,100
Crowsnest. I am sure you are

1977
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:03,100
familiar with our group as you

1978
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:04,100
have read our letters and heard

1979
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:06,100
our members speak

1980
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:07,100
at your meetings. Our group is

1981
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:08,100
over several hundred strong,

1982
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:10,100
keeps growing every day and

1983
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:11,100
includes residents

1984
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:13,100
from all parts of Castle

1985
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:15,100
Pines. One

1986
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,100
of the guiding principles

1987
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:18,100
of PAT is transparency. And it

1988
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:21,100
is in this spirit that I want

1989
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:24,100
council to know that since

1990
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:25,100
October 2025, when the

1991
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:27,100
Crowsnest developer brought

1992
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,100
their first annexation petition

1993
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:31,100
to the city, the public's

1994
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,100
perception is that the council

1995
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:34,100
has already made their decision

1996
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:35,100
and the annexation process is

1997
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,100
just a formality. This has led

1998
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:38,100
many citizens to lose trust

1999
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,100
in the council and to believe

2000
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:40,100
that you are not acting

2001
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,100
in their best interest, but

2002
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:43,100
rather are acting the best

2003
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:44,100
interest of the developer.

2004
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,100
Resolution 2623 has not helped

2005
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:47,100
to diminish these feelings,

2006
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:48,100
but to exasperate,

2007
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:49,100
exacerbate them. Because the

2008
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,100
language

2009
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,100
of the resolution is favorable

2010
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:53,100
to the Crowsnest developer. We

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would like

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to acknowledge and thank the

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Council

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for recognizing the need

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for an annexation policy. We

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want to work in partnership

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with the city. However, we

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cannot accept Resolution 26, 23

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as it is currently written. We

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specifically ask that

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paragraphs 5 and 6, which are

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highlighted

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in yellow and crossed out

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in red, be removed

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from the resolution. Why?

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Because one,

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by including the language

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in these two paragraphs, it

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reinforces the public's

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perception that the withdrawal

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of the Crowsnest petition is

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merely temporary with an

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already predetermined outcome,

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the annexation of Crow's

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Nest. And two, the inclusion of

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the two paragraphs is very

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suspicious as they are

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Superfluous to resolution

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26, 23. Why include them? As the

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language is not benign,

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but rather beneficial to the

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Crowsnest developer for when he

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submits his third annexation

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petition. Council,

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before you vote on resolution

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26, 23 later this evening, we

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ask that you remove paragraph

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five and six. If you do not

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remove them,

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then I respectfully asked

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on behalf of everyone in this

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room and our online audience,

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that during your discussion

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of Resolution 26, 23, each

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council member publicly answer

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this question. Why are you

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unwilling to remove paragraphs

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five and six? Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Next speaker.

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>> May I approach the desk and

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give hand up, please?

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>> You can leave them to me and

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I will pass them out.

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>> Lisa woods, if you'd like

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to approach the podium.

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>> Yes.

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>> And start with your name and

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address for the record,

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please.

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>> Absolutely.

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>> Hi, Lisa Woods. I live at

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6639 Barnstead Drive and I am a

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six-year resident of Castle

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Pines. So good evening, mayor

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and city councilmembers. I'm

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here today to ask that you

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extend the timeline

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for the development

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of a draft annexation policy

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from 90 days to at least 120

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days before it comes back

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to you for A vote that

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additional time matters

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for three key reasons. Number

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one,

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it stops the unnecessary rush

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like we just had with the

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Crowsnest annexation and a

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compressed timeline that

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disadvantages residents

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in the process. Number two,

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it allows for more robust data

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collection and more meaningful

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input from residents. And

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number three,

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it gives the public enough time

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to become educated

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on the issue, review the draft

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policy and provide thoughtful

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feedback before any final

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decision is made. Also, from my

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public service experience, I

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know effective policy

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development depends on

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consistent intentional

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engagement and education

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with those most affected,

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which is also essential to

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building trust and

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01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:05,100
strengthening community.

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On that note, I also ask you

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to go beyond only a third-party

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survey and offer three

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suggestions

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to more fully partner

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with residents. Number one,

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hold open forums, such as town

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halls that are accessible and

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welcoming, where residents can

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have real two-way conversations

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01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:25,100
with you. Our elected officials

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use this time

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to engage and educate with us

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01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:34,601
in dialogue so we all better

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01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,100
understand one another and this

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policy. Number two, of course

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council members will connect

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directly with their

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constituents and I and other

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Canyon's residents,

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01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,100
look forward to conversations

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with Councilmembers Winegar and

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01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:53,100
Blue. Number three,

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give residents

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at least two weeks

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01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:56,100
to review and respond to the

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draft policy via written and

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public comment and well

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01:07:58,100 --> 01:07:59,100
before a final vote. This

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annexation policy will shape

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01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:02,100
the future of Castle Pines

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for years and decades

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01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,100
to come,

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which is why it's so important

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01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:09,100
to slow down enough to get it

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01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:10,100
right and let all voices be

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01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:12,100
heard. So, in closing,

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I ask again the City Council

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to extend the timeline to

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at least 120 days and

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01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:20,100
to expand opportunities for

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01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,601
public input that will ensure a

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process that is more

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thoughtful, more transparent,

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01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,100
and truly reflective

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of our community.

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>> Thank you very much

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for your consideration and time

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to speak. Thank you. Any

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further speakers? Donna Cook,

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01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:41,100
if you would like

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01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:42,100
to complete, you can start

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01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:43,100
with your name and address.

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01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:45,401
For the record, please.

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01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:48,100
>> George Lava Club, 7316

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01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:49,100
Canyon Sky Trail. Good evening,

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01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:51,100
Mayor Engerman, members of

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council and fellow residents.

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01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:55,100
It is our understanding that

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you truly want to hear what

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01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:57,100
Castle Pines residents want

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in our future annexations. And

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then, once resolution 26, 23

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01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,100
passes, the city will begin

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gathering community input,

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primarily through surveys,

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to help shape that new policy.

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Council many residents felt

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that the city was already

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01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:12,100
strongly inclined

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01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,100
to approve the Crowsnest 5

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01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,100
ball annexation despite

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01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,100
widespread community

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opposition. For that reason,

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01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,100
there is a deep concern that

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this new annexation policy

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01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,100
could be used to fast track

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01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:24,100
similar future proposals. Once

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01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:26,100
adopted, developers could

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01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,100
simply claim projects meet the

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criteria,

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01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,100
effectively shutting the public

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01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:40,100
out of any further meaningful

2194
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,100
input. Therefore, as a part

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01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:43,100
of this process, we

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01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:44,100
respectfully ask that you

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01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,100
include a clear educational

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01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:47,100
component when gathering

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01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:48,100
feedback from the residents.

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01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,100
Many residents are not as

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01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,100
familiar with technical terms

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01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:56,100
such as flagpole, annexation,

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01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,100
1, 6, consecutuity, density or

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01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:59,100
even our three-mile plan. It's

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01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:00,100
essential that the city clearly

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01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:03,100
explain these terms and the

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01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:06,100
long-term impacts as a part

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01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:08,100
of the data collection process.

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In addition, we ask that the

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data gathering involves as many

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01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,100
Castle Pines residents as

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01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,100
possible through town halls and

2213
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:17,100
genuine dialogue,

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01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:20,100
not just surveys. And that

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01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:22,100
at the draft stage, the

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01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:24,100
community has that opportunity

2217
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100
to review and comment

2218
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,100
on the draft policy, their

2219
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:28,100
concerns heard and discussed

2220
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,100
before it's finalized. So,

2221
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:33,100
in sum, council members, here

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01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,100
are four clear actions that we

2223
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:36,100
kindly ask you to consider.

2224
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:38,100
Direct the staff to include a

2225
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,100
strong educational component

2226
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:41,100
in their outreach to the city

2227
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:42,100
so that every resident

2228
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:43,100
understands the key terms and

2229
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:45,100
the long-term implications.

2230
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,100
Two, commit to multiple forms

2231
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,401
of engagement, including town

2232
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,100
halls and focus groups

2233
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,100
in addition to the surveys.

2234
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,100
Three, extend the timeline

2235
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:59,100
beyond 90 days

2236
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:01,100
for whatever time it takes to

2237
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,100
do this data gathering

2238
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,100
properly. And four,

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01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:05,100
bring the draft policy back

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01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:06,100
to the public

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01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:07,100
for review and input

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01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,100
before your final adoption.

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01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:11,100
Thank you very much

2244
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,100
for your time this evening.

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01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:15,100
>> Thank you. Any additional

2246
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:16,100
speakers? We do have two more.

2247
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:18,100
Brigitte Landstrom, if you

2248
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:19,100
would like to come

2249
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,100
to the podium, start

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01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,100
with your name and address

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01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,100
for the record, please.

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01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,100
>> Hello Council. Thank you

2253
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,100
very much

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01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:29,100
for giving me this time.

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01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:30,100
>> My name is Brigette Foley

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01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:31,100
Lanstrom, 7325 Castle Canyon

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01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:32,100
Sky Trail. Nervous Apologies. I

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01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,100
am here because I care

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01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:35,100
about our community. I care

2260
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100
about where we live. I'm

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01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:37,100
invested

2262
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:40,100
in keeping it safe. I am here

2263
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:41,100
to ask you

2264
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,100
for this resolution and for all

2265
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,100
future resolutions that involve

2266
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:45,100
development to include language

2267
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:46,100
that protects our environment.

2268
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:48,100
I for one am tired of seeing

2269
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:51,100
the developers bury miles and

2270
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:53,100
miles of plastic

2271
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:57,100
underneath our canyons. And I

2272
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:58,100
know you all know about this

2273
01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:59,100
because this is not the first

2274
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,100
nor the second time it's been

2275
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:02,100
brought up to the council. We

2276
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,100
need to start caring about our

2277
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:05,100
community or nobody else will.

2278
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:09,201
And you are the only ones that

2279
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:18,100
stand in between the developers

2280
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:20,100
burying miles and miles. I'm

2281
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,100
not exaggerating. Of trash and

2282
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,100
keeping our canyons and our

2283
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:26,100
community and our wildlife

2284
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:27,100
flourishing. So please consider

2285
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,100
that for this and all future

2286
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,401
proposals to actually have

2287
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:34,401
language that protects our

2288
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,100
environment and standards that

2289
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:38,100
the that the public agrees to.

2290
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,100
Thank you.

2291
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:47,100
>> Thank you. Our next speaker,

2292
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:48,100
Jane Bylenberg, if you would

2293
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:49,100
come to the podium and start

2294
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,100
with your name and address

2295
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:52,100
for the record.

2296
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:58,100
>> Jane Bielenberg, 1025 Dear

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01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,100
Clover Way Mayor and Council. I

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01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:02,100
want to read something

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01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:03,100
to you that was shared in the

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01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:05,100
Denver Post. This is not

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01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:06,100
about Crowsnest. This is in

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01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:08,100
El Paso County referencing

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01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:10,100
similar situations and similar

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01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:12,100
concerns. And it's regarding

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01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:13,100
the boundaries and what is

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01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,100
being done there.

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01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,100
The residents of Tri Lakes

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01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:18,100
area have reached a breaking

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01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:20,100
point.

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01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:21,100
Despite overwhelming

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01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:22,100
documented opposition, the El

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01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:24,401
Paso County Board of

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01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:27,100
Commissioners continues to

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01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:28,100
facilitate a land use process

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01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:30,100
that effectively treats the

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01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:31,100
community as an obstacle to be

2317
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:32,100
bypassed rather than a

2318
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:34,100
stakeholder to be heard.

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01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:35,100
By allowing developers such as

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01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,100
Vertex corporations such as BUC

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01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,401
EE's to exploit administrative

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01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,100
loopholes such as the recent

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01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:46,401
boundary line adjustment, the

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01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:55,100
county is signaling that deep

2325
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:57,100
pocketed developers dictate the

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01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,100
future of Monument Hill, not

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01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,100
the people that actually live

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01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:04,401
there. Residents are rightly

2329
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,100
furious that their voices are

2330
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:11,100
systematically marginalized by

2331
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,100
a process that grants the

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01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,100
applicant extensive time and

2333
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,100
resources while limiting

2334
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,100
community input

2335
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:18,100
to mere three-minute snippets.

2336
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:20,100
The consequences

2337
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:21,100
of this project, ranging

2338
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:22,100
from water depletion,

2339
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,100
traffic congestion to permanent

2340
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:25,100
environmental degradation,

2341
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:26,100
will be borne by those

2342
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,100
in the immediate vicinity. Yet

2343
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:30,100
the current system ignores this

2344
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,100
reality. Members

2345
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,100
of the community are tired

2346
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:34,100
of the charade. They're

2347
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:35,100
demanding structural reforms

2348
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:36,100
including equal presentation

2349
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,100
time for citizen groups and the

2350
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:39,100
integration of prior records

2351
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:40,100
to stop this reset to zero the

2352
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,100
cycle that protects the

2353
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:43,100
corporate interests

2354
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:44,100
at the expense

2355
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,100
of local sovereignty. The

2356
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:47,100
message

2357
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,100
to the board is clear.

2358
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:50,100
Citizens versus developers.

2359
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
Theodore Roosevelt once said,

2360
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,100
the government is us. We are

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01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:56,100
the government, you and I. A

2362
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,401
government that prioritizes the

2363
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:00,100
convenience of a corporation

2364
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:02,100
over the voice of its citizens

2365
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:03,100
has forgotten its primary duty

2366
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,100
as elected officials. We do not

2367
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:06,100
exist to accommodate a

2368
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:07,100
developer site plan. The

2369
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:09,401
developer exists to operate

2370
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:50,100
within the community we have

2371
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,100
built. I couldn't have said it

2372
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:54,100
better,

2373
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:55,100
so I copied it. I thank you

2374
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:57,100
for your time. I thank you

2375
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:58,100
for your consideration. It

2376
01:15:58,100 --> 01:15:59,100
really. We're not. We're your

2377
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,601
community. I mean we. We voted

2378
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:05,100
you in to protect us and

2379
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:09,100
to look out for us. And there's

2380
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,100
a lot of issues, you know,

2381
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:12,100
water, sewer, electrical

2382
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:15,100
traffic, environment, animals.

2383
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:18,100
I've only been here four years,

2384
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:20,100
but I've been a licensed

2385
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,401
realtor since 1990. I moved

2386
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:25,100
people here when it was

2387
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,100
nothing. They moved here

2388
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:30,100
for the outdoors, the beauty,

2389
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:31,100
all of it. And it's development

2390
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,100
has just engulfed us. I know

2391
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:35,100
that some has to happen, but I

2392
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:37,100
just respectfully ask your

2393
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:39,100
consideration

2394
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:44,100
in going forward. Thank you.

2395
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:47,100
>> Thank you. Do we have any

2396
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:48,100
additional speakers? We have no

2397
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:49,100
further person signed up this

2398
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:50,100
evening. Thank you very much.

2399
01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:51,100
All right, we are going

2400
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:54,100
to move on to our next item

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01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:56,100
on our agenda,

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01:16:57,100 --> 01:16:58,100
which is the presentation

2403
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:59,100
of our minutes. Are there any

2404
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:00,100
corrections to the minutes

2405
01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:02,100
from the March 10, 2026, City

2406
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,401
Council meeting hearing none.

2407
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,100
>> The minutes are approved as

2408
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:09,100
presented. Next is our consent

2409
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:10,100
agenda. Tonight's consent

2410
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:12,401
agenda is Resolution 26 to

2411
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:17,100
20, which approves an

2412
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:18,100
intergovernmental agreement

2413
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:19,100
between the Urban Drainage and

2414
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:20,100
Flood Control District doing

2415
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:22,100
business as Mile High Flood

2416
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:23,100
District in the city of

2417
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:24,100
Castle Pines regarding City

2418
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:25,100
of Castle Pines stream

2419
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:26,100
condition assessment and

2420
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:28,100
project prioritization.

2421
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:29,100
Resolution 26 21, which awards a

2422
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:30,100
bid in approving a construction

2423
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:31,100
contract with EDWC Levy Co

2424
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:33,100
doing business as Schmidt

2425
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:34,100
Construction Company for the

2426
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:36,100
2026 pavement maintenance

2427
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:38,401
program. 2026-PW-003. And our

2428
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:42,100
last resolution is 26 22, which

2429
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:43,100
approves agreement

2430
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:44,100
with services and equipment

2431
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,100
between the City of Castle

2432
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:47,100
Pines and Barricade holdings

2433
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:49,401
LLC, doing business as

2434
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:54,100
Colorado Barricade Co for on

2435
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,401
call striping and pavement

2436
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,100
marking services. May I have a

2437
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:09,100
motion

2438
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:12,100
for the items I can send,

2439
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:13,100
please? I move

2440
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,100
to approve items

2441
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:16,100
on consent agenda.

2442
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:18,100
>> Second.

2443
01:18:18,100 --> 01:18:19,100
>> A motion and a second.

2444
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,100
Please call the vote.

2445
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

2446
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:37,100
>> The motion passes.

2447
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,100
>> Thank you. All right,

2448
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:41,100
moving on

2449
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:42,100
to our general business. The

2450
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:43,100
first item

2451
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:45,100
on general business this

2452
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:46,100
Evening is Resolution 26, a

2453
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:47,100
resolution of the City Council

2454
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:48,100
of the City of Castle Pines,

2455
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:49,100
Colorado concerning the

2456
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:50,100
development of an annexation

2457
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:53,100
and policy imposing a stay on

2458
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:54,100
future annexation applications

2459
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:55,100
and accepting the withdrawal

2460
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,100
of the annexation petition

2461
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:58,100
for properties known as

2462
01:18:58,100 --> 01:18:59,100
Crow's Nest annexation.

2463
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:01,100
At the 2026 City Council

2464
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:03,401
retreat, Council discussed the

2465
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,100
need for an updated annexation

2466
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:09,100
policy that lays the framework

2467
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:11,100
for council's vision

2468
01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:12,100
of the city's future. This

2469
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:14,100
resolution directs staff

2470
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:15,100
to create for policy which will

2471
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:16,100
be approved by council

2472
01:19:16,100 --> 01:19:17,100
at a later date.

2473
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:19,100
Additionally, this resolution

2474
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:20,100
accepts the letter received

2475
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:21,100
on March 19, which withdraw the

2476
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:23,401
application for the Crowsnest

2477
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:28,100
annexation petition. May I have

2478
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,100
a motion to begin discussion

2479
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:34,100
on this, Mayor?

2480
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,100
>> I don't know if you want to.

2481
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:37,100
May I add in either

2482
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:38,100
before or after. When would you

2483
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:39,100
like me to. I had a couple

2484
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:41,100
comments.

2485
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:42,100
>> Okay.

2486
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:43,100
>> Yes, please.

2487
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:44,100
>> Okay.

2488
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:45,100
>> Now would be their

2489
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:46,100
appropriate time.

2490
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:47,100
>> Okay. So, I wanted

2491
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:48,100
to address some

2492
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:49,100
of the comments

2493
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,100
since they're related

2494
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:52,100
to staff action in there. So,

2495
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:54,100
as the mayor said,

2496
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:55,100
this occurred

2497
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:57,401
during the council meeting.

2498
01:19:58,100 --> 01:19:59,100
And just

2499
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:00,100
from a process standpoint, the

2500
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:01,100
withdrawal letter is contingent

2501
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:03,401
on council approving this

2502
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:08,100
resolution this evening

2503
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:09,100
for the Crowsnest annexation.

2504
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:11,100
We can,

2505
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:12,100
and these are not necessarily

2506
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:14,100
in the order of the comments,

2507
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:15,100
but there's certainly no issue

2508
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:17,100
from a staff perspective

2509
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:19,100
to extend the line to 120 days.

2510
01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:20,100
The intent

2511
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:21,100
in the draft resolution was

2512
01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:23,100
to convey what I took away

2513
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,100
from the council retreat,

2514
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,100
which was this is a priority.

2515
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:26,100
And not to bring it back in

2516
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,100
2028 or 2027, but

2517
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:29,100
to get this done as a component

2518
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:30,100
of all the other updates that

2519
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:32,401
we're doing this year,

2520
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,100
but shifting to 120 or 180

2521
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,100
days,

2522
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:39,100
we'll get it done sooner.

2523
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:41,100
Obviously. No issue there.

2524
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:43,100
Just want to be clear that

2525
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:45,100
under no circumstances does an

2526
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:46,100
annexation policy override the

2527
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:48,100
state statute, and the state

2528
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:50,100
statute still requires all of

2529
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:53,100
the conditions that the council

2530
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:56,100
went through before. So should

2531
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:57,100
there be another annexation

2532
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:59,100
application anywhere

2533
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:01,100
around the city, all

2534
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:02,100
of those conditions still have

2535
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,100
to be met. The purpose of.

2536
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:05,100
Sorry, paragraphs 5 and 6 were

2537
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:08,100
I used the Crowsnest annexation

2538
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,100
property language in there. I

2539
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:16,100
don't know that it's ultimately

2540
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:17,100
necessary, but the intent was

2541
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,100
to acknowledge, as you look at

2542
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:20,100
the development that's moving

2543
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:21,100
up from the north through the

2544
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,100
Canta and the development

2545
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:24,100
that's moving south. And there

2546
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:25,100
is not any open space property

2547
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:26,100
within in any of this area.

2548
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:28,401
This is all owned

2549
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:50,100
by private property owners.

2550
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:51,100
So, whether they're LLCs or

2551
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,100
individuals or whatever that

2552
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:54,100
might be. So those two

2553
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:55,100
paragraphs, which are could

2554
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:56,100
argue are a little bit

2555
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:57,100
redundant, are really

2556
01:21:57,100 --> 01:21:58,100
to imply, with the actions that

2557
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:00,100
the council had taken

2558
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:01,100
to date, acknowledging whether

2559
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:02,100
annexations happen or not,

2560
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:04,100
or it gets developed in the

2561
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:05,100
county or it gets developed

2562
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,100
in as part of Castle Rock or

2563
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:07,100
Barker, that this area

2564
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:08,100
between south or west Parker

2565
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:09,100
and north Castle Rock, if you

2566
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,100
will, over time will ultimately

2567
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,100
get developed. So that's the

2568
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:14,100
intent

2569
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:15,100
of those two paragraphs. So,

2570
01:22:15,100 --> 01:22:16,100
whether you want to keep those

2571
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:17,100
in ultimately or not,

2572
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:18,100
that was the intent. It really

2573
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,401
wasn't intended to. It

2574
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:22,100
certainly wasn't intended

2575
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:23,100
to be an open door for Crows

2576
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:24,100
nest. But because that's the

2577
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,100
language we would use, I use

2578
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:27,100
Crowsnest annexation

2579
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,100
properties

2580
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,100
in surrounding areas. So just

2581
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:32,100
so council understands the

2582
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:33,100
intent in there and then we

2583
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:36,601
certainly can do and we have

2584
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:39,401
not discussed the outreach

2585
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:42,100
because council hasn't approved

2586
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:43,100
the resolution.

2587
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:44,100
But if you do, one of the first

2588
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:45,100
things we will do is sit down

2589
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:46,100
and staff and develop what that

2590
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:47,100
outreach looks like.

2591
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:48,100
But I don't see anything

2592
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:49,100
in any of the comments tonight

2593
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:52,100
or requests, if you will, that

2594
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,100
are things we wouldn't have

2595
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:56,100
normally included

2596
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:58,100
in our public outreach process.

2597
01:22:58,100 --> 01:22:59,100
So, I think council can rest

2598
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:00,100
assured we can meet those,

2599
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:01,100
especially around the education

2600
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:02,100
piece because it's hard

2601
01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:03,100
to ask people about things that

2602
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:06,100
they don't understand. And so

2603
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:08,100
that education has to come

2604
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:09,100
before any kind of outreach

2605
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:11,100
that's there. I think those

2606
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:12,100
were the things I wanted

2607
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:14,100
to add in there. So, thank you.

2608
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:16,100
>> Appreciate that.

2609
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:17,100
Before we have a motion,

2610
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:19,100
council members, do any

2611
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:20,100
of you have any questions

2612
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:21,100
for staff about the Council

2613
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:23,100
Member Mulvey?

2614
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:25,100
>> I do appreciate that you

2615
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:26,100
shared that you drafted this.

2616
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:27,100
I'm going to put this. Will you

2617
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:29,100
agree

2618
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:32,601
to set up regular town halls

2619
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:41,100
for the districts? We've asked

2620
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:44,601
for it before. I know you've

2621
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:48,100
done it

2622
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:50,100
for district one a couple

2623
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:51,100
of times. Would you. Do we have

2624
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:52,100
the resources

2625
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:53,100
to really do that on a regular

2626
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:54,100
basis where we have that one

2627
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,100
on one?

2628
01:23:58,100 --> 01:23:59,100
>> I don't want to commit to

2629
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:00,100
that right now because I can't

2630
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:02,100
answer that question.

2631
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:03,100
>> Okay.

2632
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:04,100
>> Because it depends

2633
01:24:04,100 --> 01:24:05,100
on how much. And I would say

2634
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:06,100
that that can be a separate

2635
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,100
conversation outside

2636
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:09,401
of this resolution. Because

2637
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:11,100
you're talking. I assume what

2638
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,100
you're asking is

2639
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:14,100
on an ongoing regular basis.

2640
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:15,100
Certainly,

2641
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:17,100
on the occasional one we can.

2642
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:18,100
But as you know,

2643
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:19,100
we have limited staff,

2644
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:20,100
so it's just a matter

2645
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:21,100
of putting them together.

2646
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:22,100
But if there was interest

2647
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:24,100
by other districts

2648
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:25,100
to have those meetings,

2649
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:26,100
we can facilitate those

2650
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:27,100
on a kind of as needed basis.

2651
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:28,100
But I'd be cautious

2652
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:29,100
on a regular and ongoing. Just

2653
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:31,401
because our communication staff

2654
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:34,100
who put those together aren't

2655
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:35,100
here for. And I have to talk

2656
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:37,401
to them about them.

2657
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:40,100
>> I'll reserve my comment

2658
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:41,100
on that for later, but the

2659
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:43,100
reluctance is concerning.

2660
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:46,100
Thank you. I have a question

2661
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:48,100
just about outreach,

2662
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,100
because I'm just kind

2663
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:50,100
of getting an idea of. We did

2664
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,100
the town halls recent. Not town

2665
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:53,100
halls, I'm sorry,

2666
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:55,100
the open houses recently. And

2667
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:56,100
that was driven by the economic

2668
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:58,100
development that's happening

2669
01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:59,100
and just some other updates

2670
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:00,100
that we're ready to do. Yeah.

2671
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:01,100
Like we're going to have an

2672
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:03,100
open house coming up that

2673
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:04,100
canyon interchange. Focus

2674
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:06,100
solely on that. So, there are

2675
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:07,100
kind of topics specific.

2676
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:09,100
>> And then when we did the

2677
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,100
parks outreach,

2678
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:11,100
I'm just trying to get an idea

2679
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:12,100
of like sequencing. Like how

2680
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:13,100
often do we do them?

2681
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:15,100
>> How. I mean,

2682
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:16,100
are they twice targeted

2683
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:17,100
on specific topics? Right.

2684
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:18,100
So, we need them to not.

2685
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:19,100
>> No, it's more as an admin as

2686
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:20,100
needed. So, the Happy Canyon,

2687
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:21,100
if you allow me of that,

2688
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:23,100
as that example is we wanted

2689
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:24,100
to get Barna through the CDOT

2690
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:25,100
and FHWA process,

2691
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:27,100
the one we had in open house.

2692
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:28,100
We had confidence that the

2693
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:29,100
approvals were there and it was

2694
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,100
timely. But

2695
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:32,100
before construction started

2696
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:33,100
type of thing. So, it's

2697
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:34,100
intended to be. That one's

2698
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,100
intended

2699
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:37,100
to be an educational one,

2700
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:38,100
not a feedback loop. Something

2701
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:40,100
like this. We would put

2702
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:42,401
together an overall feedback

2703
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:47,100
loop. And as was suggested,

2704
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:50,100
obviously once there's a draft,

2705
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:53,601
you want to put that out

2706
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:57,100
for a period

2707
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:59,100
of time so people can respond

2708
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:00,100
to it. But we don't have any

2709
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:02,100
similarity. Council Member

2710
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:06,100
Mulvey's question. We don't have

2711
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:07,100
any standard ongoing schedules

2712
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:09,100
and that goes for our

2713
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:10,100
communication other than the

2714
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,100
council post council meetings,

2715
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:14,100
pre council meeting things that

2716
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:15,100
we do a lot of. That's again

2717
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:17,100
just a staffing level issue.

2718
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:18,100
>> I'm not talking about

2719
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:19,100
ongoing.

2720
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:20,100
>> I know we've done them

2721
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:21,100
targeted towards like we need

2722
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:22,100
the parking outreach. We did

2723
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:24,100
the economic development

2724
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:25,100
outreach idea of

2725
01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:26,100
like do they tend to happen

2726
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:27,100
within three months? I don't

2727
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:29,100
know if there's any sort

2728
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:31,100
of timeline.

2729
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,100
>> No, there's not. This one

2730
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:34,100
would be really time to. If

2731
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:36,401
council moves it to,

2732
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:38,100
for example, 120 days. We would

2733
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:41,100
sit down with the communication

2734
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,100
staff and the community

2735
01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:43,100
development staff and look

2736
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:45,100
at overall workload, whether

2737
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:46,100
what other things are already

2738
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:48,100
on the plate and what are we

2739
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,100
building the timelines

2740
01:26:51,100 --> 01:26:52,100
for those Are there,

2741
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:53,100
are there. There's an

2742
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:55,100
educational piece and there's,

2743
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:56,100
you know, survey outreach piece

2744
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:59,100
and there's a feedback loop

2745
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:00,100
piece and lay

2746
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:01,100
out the entire timeline

2747
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:02,100
for that, which is typically

2748
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,100
what communications does

2749
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:04,100
on any of these problems. Does

2750
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:06,100
that help?

2751
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:08,100
>> Yes.

2752
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:09,100
>> Thank you,

2753
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:10,100
council member.

2754
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:11,100
>> Thank you, Mayor.

2755
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:12,100
>> Actually, this is directly

2756
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:13,100
to Clerk Duffy. If I want

2757
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:15,100
to move on this resolution

2758
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:17,100
with a couple

2759
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:20,100
of friendly amendments. Do we

2760
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,100
have to have a. We have to have

2761
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:23,100
a. A motion first or can I make

2762
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:24,100
the friendly amendments as part

2763
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:26,100
of it?

2764
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:27,100
>> You could make the motion

2765
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:28,100
with the amendments to the

2766
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:30,100
suggest if I just gave you guys

2767
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,100
a cheat sheet because there's,

2768
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:32,100
you know, no slides tonight

2769
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:33,100
on this item. But yeah,

2770
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:34,100
and we could definitely,

2771
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:35,100
if you needed me

2772
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,100
to help you decide,

2773
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:38,100
you have to. The mayor could

2774
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,100
call.

2775
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:42,100
>> Let's give it a try first.

2776
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:43,100
>> Okay.

2777
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:44,100
>> Mayor, am I okay

2778
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:45,100
to make a motion?

2779
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:46,100
>> Let me make sure there's no

2780
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:47,100
other further questions.

2781
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:48,100
They'll come back together.

2782
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:49,100
Are there any other questions

2783
01:27:49,100 --> 01:27:50,100
for staff?

2784
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:52,100
>> Not a question.

2785
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:53,100
>> But just with the town hall

2786
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,100
versus just meeting

2787
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,100
with constituents like myself

2788
01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:59,100
in District 3

2789
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:00,100
with Council Member Blue.

2790
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:02,100
There's no limit to that. So,

2791
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:04,100
we can continue to meet

2792
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:05,100
with community, gather

2793
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:06,100
information, bring that back

2794
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:07,100
and that's something I would

2795
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:09,100
commit

2796
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,100
to multiple times outside

2797
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:11,100
of the structure,

2798
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:13,100
the funnel structure.

2799
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:15,100
>> Absolutely agree. Yeah.

2800
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:16,100
Thanks.

2801
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:18,100
>> Curiosity question. Should

2802
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:19,100
we go for a true city form,

2803
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:20,100
meaning we don't have a

2804
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:22,100
facility

2805
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:26,100
to handle something?

2806
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:27,100
>> No, we would break it up

2807
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:28,100
into similar to what we do.

2808
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:30,100
We'd have probably something in

2809
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:31,100
here if we could get the room.

2810
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:33,100
If it continues beyond. I can't

2811
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,100
say I've done the math. But

2812
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:36,100
beyond July, we've got the

2813
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:38,401
community center. We can

2814
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,100
certainly use that the Canyon

2815
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:45,100
house and the exchange. So, I

2816
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:47,100
mean that that is part of the

2817
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:49,100
overall planning is where is

2818
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:50,100
there space available for us

2819
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:52,401
to hold different meetings.

2820
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:58,601
>> So, thank you. So, is it

2821
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,100
reasonable to assume that we

2822
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,100
could probably do the same type

2823
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:02,100
of outreach and education and

2824
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:03,100
focus groups that we did

2825
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:04,100
for the parks of Rec update?

2826
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:06,100
Maybe not for the length of

2827
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,100
time because this is one topic,

2828
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:09,100
not as broad of a topic but.

2829
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:11,100
But those opportunities.

2830
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:15,100
>> I think council can be

2831
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:16,100
comfortable that this would be

2832
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:17,100
a robust public engagement.

2833
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:18,100
>> All right. Any further

2834
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:19,100
questions? All right.

2835
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:21,401
>> Councilor Eubanks, you would

2836
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:24,100
like to make your motion and if

2837
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:25,100
we need to, we can always take

2838
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:27,100
a break too.

2839
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,100
>> Thank you. A resolution. I'm

2840
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:37,100
sorry, Mayor. I move to

2841
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:38,100
Approve resolution number

2842
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:40,100
26-23, a resolution

2843
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:42,100
of the city council

2844
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:43,100
of the City of Castle Pines,

2845
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:45,100
Colorado concerning the

2846
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:46,100
development of an annexation

2847
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:47,100
policy imposing a stay on

2848
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:48,100
future annexation applications

2849
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:49,100
and accepting the withdrawal

2850
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:51,100
of the annexation petition for

2851
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:53,100
properties known as cronies

2852
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:54,100
annexation

2853
01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:56,100
with the following amendments.

2854
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:57,100
Remove the following two

2855
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:58,100
paragraphs. Whereas the city

2856
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:00,100
council recognizes that the

2857
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:01,100
proposed Crowsnest annexation

2858
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:03,100
properties and surrounding

2859
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:05,100
areas will be urbanized and

2860
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:07,100
deposited developed

2861
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:09,100
in the future as illustrated by

2862
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:10,100
the surrounding development

2863
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:11,100
adjacent to Crowfoot Valley

2864
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:14,601
Road within the town of Parker

2865
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:17,100
and town of Castle Rock.

2866
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:18,100
Second paragraph I would like

2867
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:19,100
to amend to be removed is

2868
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:20,100
whereas the city council finds

2869
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:22,100
that designation of the

2870
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:23,100
Crowsnest annexation property

2871
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:24,100
for urban development is an

2872
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:25,100
appropriate and logistical.

2873
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:27,100
Sorry. Logical expansion of the

2874
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:29,100
area growth patterns can be

2875
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:30,100
developed

2876
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:31,100
in a compatible manner with

2877
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:33,100
surrounding land uses reflects

2878
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:34,100
the changing conditions

2879
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:36,100
in the area north of Douglas

2880
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:37,100
County and can be appropriately

2881
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:39,100
developed through future

2882
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:40,100
detailed review and phasing.

2883
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:41,100
And the last amendment I would

2884
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:42,100
propose would be

2885
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:44,100
to change the day

2886
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:45,100
from the draft

2887
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:47,100
for the city council

2888
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:49,401
from 90-days to 120-days.

2889
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,100
>> Is there a second? Thank

2890
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:55,100
you. We have a motion and a

2891
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:56,100
second and an additional second

2892
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,100
just to reemphasize the.

2893
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:58,100
>> So, Council Member

2894
01:30:58,100 --> 01:31:00,100
Eubanks, we'll go ahead and

2895
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:01,100
begin discussion

2896
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:03,100
with you.

2897
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:04,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. I thought

2898
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:05,100
for. I'll address the 90-days

2899
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100
first. When we were

2900
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,100
in our retreat,

2901
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:10,601
I thought we went through a

2902
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:13,100
very thoughtful process

2903
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:14,100
to talk about it and I feared

2904
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:15,100
that if we limit to 90 days

2905
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:17,100
things we talked about,

2906
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:18,100
I think that I feel

2907
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:19,100
like that's rushing. So, I

2908
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:21,100
would like to see that 120

2909
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:23,100
days. As far as the other two

2910
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:25,100
paragraphs, I won't get into a

2911
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:26,100
long-detailed explanation, but

2912
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:27,100
I just don't find them relevant

2913
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,100
for the purpose

2914
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,100
of this resolution.

2915
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:34,100
>> Council Member Cole,

2916
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:36,100
Council Member Winegar.

2917
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:38,100
>> I agree with Council

2918
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:39,100
Member Eubanks that I do not

2919
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,100
find those necessary for this.

2920
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:42,100
I would actually say 180-days.

2921
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:44,100
I know we're at that 120. I

2922
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:45,100
think we need to take time

2923
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,100
with this. We need to make sure

2924
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:49,100
that we get this right

2925
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:53,100
for future endeavors

2926
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:55,100
with this and to make sure that

2927
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:56,100
all voices are heard in the

2928
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:57,100
community. I also know that we

2929
01:31:57,100 --> 01:32:00,100
have time like time frames and

2930
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:02,100
we have a lot of things

2931
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:03,100
to do too. So, I would say a

2932
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,100
minimum 120,

2933
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:06,100
but I'm highly would recommend

2934
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:08,100
180 days for this.

2935
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,100
>> And I would just echo that.

2936
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,100
I would agree

2937
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,100
with you. I don't want it

2938
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:15,100
to be a rush, but we can always

2939
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:16,100
come back and amend this

2940
01:32:16,100 --> 01:32:17,100
resolution if we feel

2941
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:18,100
like we don't. We need more

2942
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:19,100
time. We haven't got everything

2943
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:20,100
that we're looking for and

2944
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:21,100
haven't gotten the first the

2945
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:23,100
participation that we would

2946
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:24,100
like to see from the community

2947
01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:25,100
that we can also back

2948
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:26,100
to make a resolution

2949
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:28,100
to change this

2950
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:30,401
to extend it past 100.

2951
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:34,100
>> Additional comments.

2952
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:35,100
>> Yes please, Councilor

2953
01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:37,100
Mulvey.

2954
01:32:37,100 --> 01:32:38,100
>> So, I actually had this

2955
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,100
conversation beforehand with

2956
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:41,100
the manager and said we don't

2957
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:42,100
need a lot of whereas clauses

2958
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:44,100
in this. And he said I know you

2959
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,100
don't like a lot

2960
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:46,100
of whereas clauses. And my

2961
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:48,100
primary reason for that is that

2962
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:50,100
it gives impression that we're

2963
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,100
making a decision when a

2964
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:53,100
whereas clause is not binding.

2965
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,100
And all aware as clause does is

2966
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,100
supposed to give you the basis

2967
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:59,100
for why you're making the

2968
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:06,100
resolution. And I see duplicity

2969
01:33:06,100 --> 01:33:08,100
in addition

2970
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:10,100
to what maybe duplicate,

2971
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:12,100
duplicativeness, circle

2972
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:13,100
opposite whatever you want

2973
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:15,100
to call it. But there's

2974
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:16,100
definitely repetitiveness

2975
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:17,100
in additional provisions here.

2976
01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:19,100
And it says

2977
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:22,100
in the seventh one, whereas

2978
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:33,100
city council establishes a stay

2979
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:34,100
that's nearly identical to

2980
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:36,100
Section 2

2981
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:38,100
in the operative part

2982
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:41,100
of the resolution. So, my

2983
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:43,100
suggestion is that we take that

2984
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:45,100
out because it's duplicative.

2985
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:47,100
Number eight, the second

2986
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:49,100
to the last one, says whereas

2987
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:51,401
city council directs. That's

2988
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,401
nearly identical to Section 1

2989
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:57,100
in the operative resolution

2990
01:33:57,100 --> 01:34:00,100
language. So, my concern is

2991
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:05,100
it's technical. We don't need

2992
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:08,601
to say it twice. It's totally

2993
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:11,401
ineffective. It's not binding

2994
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:14,100
at all to say something we're

2995
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:15,100
taking action

2996
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:18,601
in a whereas clause. So, I

2997
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:22,601
would suggest that we take out

2998
01:34:23,100 --> 01:34:25,100
those two as well simply

2999
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:26,100
because they're complicative

3000
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:27,100
on a technical basis. The other

3001
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:29,100
thing I want

3002
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:31,100
to mention is that, you know,

3003
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:34,100
we say that it's not a give and

3004
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:36,401
take for public comment,

3005
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:42,100
but we had one because Manager

3006
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:45,100
gave and take answered it.

3007
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:53,100
So, I'm going to answer it

3008
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,100
because I think it deserves an

3009
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:57,100
answer. I think that it's not

3010
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:00,100
so much how much time it takes

3011
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:03,100
for somebody to draft something

3012
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:04,100
and give us this thing we want

3013
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:05,100
to amend, it's how much time we

3014
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:07,100
spend considering it. And

3015
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:09,100
that's what I think is most

3016
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:12,601
important. I also think that if

3017
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:19,100
we're supposedly growing up as

3018
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:21,100
a city and making these

3019
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:23,100
comments

3020
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:24,100
about how things are going

3021
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:27,601
to be developed anyway, then we

3022
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:30,100
should grow up and have town

3023
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:31,100
halls like other towns do. And

3024
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:34,100
it doesn't take a lot

3025
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:35,100
of money or time to schedule

3026
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:37,100
something where you don't need

3027
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:38,100
food, you don't need drinks,

3028
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,100
you don't need staff. It's help

3029
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:41,100
setting up and getting the word

3030
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:43,100
out for a town hall with a

3031
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:45,100
particular council member. And

3032
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,100
I would,

3033
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,100
I think I've already given

3034
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:49,100
in the past years screenshots

3035
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:51,100
of what other towns do,

3036
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:52,100
particularly Centennial,

3037
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:53,100
Aurora. You see them on

3038
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:54,100
Facebook. The city process

3039
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,100
would not necessarily be needed

3040
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:57,100
for the logistics of it because

3041
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:58,100
it's the council that needs

3042
01:35:58,100 --> 01:35:59,100
to engage. It's our commitment

3043
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:01,100
and it's a different kind

3044
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:02,100
of thing than our open houses.

3045
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:03,100
And so we've asked

3046
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:04,100
for it before. It's been done

3047
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:06,100
before. I too do them. I did it

3048
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:07,100
all throughout budget season.

3049
01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:09,100
So I,

3050
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:10,100
I don't think we're asking

3051
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:11,100
for a lot to do that. And I'm

3052
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,100
going to withhold any further

3053
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:14,100
comments and listen

3054
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:16,100
to my colleagues. Council

3055
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:17,100
member of Salsa you I actually

3056
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:18,100
don't have a problem

3057
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:20,100
with the language of talking

3058
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:21,100
about Crowsnest and this is

3059
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:22,100
why, because this is private

3060
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,100
property. They have the. They

3061
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:25,100
can do whatever they want

3062
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:27,100
with it. They can go to us,

3063
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:28,100
they can go to the county,

3064
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:31,601
they can go to Castle Rock.

3065
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:52,100
>> But I don't want

3066
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:53,100
to put a stain on them just

3067
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:54,100
because we don't want them

3068
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:55,100
at this point, we're not ready

3069
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:56,100
for them or we're just not

3070
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:57,100
right for us or we need time

3071
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:58,100
to figure out if it's right

3072
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:59,100
for us. I don't want that

3073
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:01,100
to look bad

3074
01:37:01,100 --> 01:37:02,100
for the developer. If they want

3075
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:03,100
to go somewhere else,

3076
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:04,100
I want them

3077
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,100
to re acknowledge it's going

3078
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,100
to get developed. We hope it

3079
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:08,100
gets developed properly

3080
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:09,100
with all the studies and

3081
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:11,401
in consideration of the

3082
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:13,100
surrounding areas and the

3083
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:15,100
community. But again,

3084
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:16,100
I don't have a problem with the

3085
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:18,401
language because simply it's

3086
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:23,100
going to get developed and I

3087
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:26,100
don't want it to be.

3088
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:48,100
>> We're the ones, you know,

3089
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:54,100
making a stain on their

3090
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:55,100
application because maybe it is

3091
01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:57,100
a good fit in the future

3092
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:58,100
for someone else. So, I don't

3093
01:37:58,100 --> 01:37:59,100
have a problem. That's all I'm

3094
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:01,100
saying. I do want the time. I

3095
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:02,100
do want four or five months

3096
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:05,100
to go through the process, do

3097
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:07,100
education,

3098
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:11,100
make sure community that wants

3099
01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:12,100
to get heard is heard. People

3100
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:13,100
that have questions can have

3101
01:38:13,100 --> 01:38:14,100
their questions answered. And

3102
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:16,100
the process is well done.

3103
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:17,100
>> Thank you, Mary. So, I still

3104
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:18,100
disagree. If this is

3105
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:19,100
about a policy

3106
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:20,100
for annexation, we do not need

3107
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:21,100
to call out Crowsnest because

3108
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:22,100
this isn't just a policy for

3109
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:24,100
Crowsnest. This is a policy

3110
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:25,100
for the city going forward.

3111
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:26,100
So, I believe any mention of

3112
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:28,100
crow's nest is not relevant. I

3113
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:29,100
have a motion on the table.

3114
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:30,100
We've had a couple seconds. I'm

3115
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:31,100
not interested

3116
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:32,100
in amending my amendment. So,

3117
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:34,100
if there's someone else who

3118
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:35,100
would like to make a different

3119
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:36,100
motion or amend my amendment,

3120
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:37,100
feel free. If not, I'm ready to

3121
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:39,100
vote.

3122
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:40,100
>> I would. I don't know if

3123
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:41,100
you've just made a motion, but

3124
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:42,100
I do have another comment.

3125
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
>> No, I didn't make a motion.

3126
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:44,100
>> There's already a motion

3127
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:45,100
on the table. I go ahead

3128
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:47,100
with your trouble. Oh, pardon

3129
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:48,100
y'. All, but there is a motion

3130
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:49,100
that calls the question. So, I

3131
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:50,100
just wanted

3132
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:51,100
to give him the courtesy

3133
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:52,100
to ask if he was doing that.

3134
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,100
You know, I am astounded

3135
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:54,100
by the frequency

3136
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:55,100
with which we have people

3137
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:56,100
on this dais saying one thing

3138
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:57,100
in one session and another

3139
01:38:57,100 --> 01:39:00,100
thing in another. One thing

3140
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:05,100
in executive, one thing

3141
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:06,100
in the public, one thing

3142
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,100
in one meeting,

3143
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:11,100
one thing here. It astounds me

3144
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:13,401
and it infuriates me.

3145
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:20,100
>> Mayor Point Board, this is

3146
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,100
not.

3147
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:22,100
>> State your point. Go ahead,

3148
01:39:22,100 --> 01:39:23,100
please state your point.

3149
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,100
>> Council Member Eubanks.

3150
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:27,100
>> Thanks.

3151
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:29,100
>> My point is this is a

3152
01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:30,100
conversation

3153
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:31,100
about this resolution, not

3154
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:32,100
about disparaging other council

3155
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:33,100
members.

3156
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:34,100
>> Your point is well taken.

3157
01:39:34,100 --> 01:39:36,100
>> Council member.

3158
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:38,100
>> Please keep your comments

3159
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:41,100
to you and not speaking

3160
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,100
about your colleagues. That is

3161
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,100
what you agree to with our

3162
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:44,100
decorum and our policies.

3163
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,100
>> Yes, ma'am. Holda and I will

3164
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:46,100
continue my comment. I for one

3165
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,100
will give a consistent

3166
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:48,100
statement. Everywhere I am,

3167
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:50,100
I see in Sterling Ranch

3168
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,100
residents who want one thing

3169
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:52,100
and people in Solterra,

3170
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:54,100
unincorporated nearby and

3171
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:05,100
Roxboro Park wanting another

3172
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:07,100
thing. And when I go somewhere,

3173
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:08,100
I hear the same things that

3174
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,100
some of we hear. And I know you

3175
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:12,401
all hear it too,

3176
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:15,100
in the public. And you're

3177
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:17,100
hearing that we have a push and

3178
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:19,100
a poll about what the community

3179
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:21,100
should look

3180
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:22,100
like and what's best

3181
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:23,100
for everybody. And there should

3182
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:25,401
be absolutely no limit

3183
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:27,100
on public comment

3184
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,100
for that.

3185
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:31,401
>> Again, Mayor Point maybe

3186
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:33,100
please take a five-minute

3187
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:34,100
break.

3188
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:36,100
>> Yes, we can take a tone and

3189
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:37,100
10-minute break right now. We

3190
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,100
will come back

3191
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:42,100
at 7:15. Thank you. I'm sorry if

3192
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:44,100
you're upset.

3193
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:10,100
>> [ BREAK ]

3194
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:10,100
>> All right. Thank

3195
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:11,100
you everyone

3196
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:14,601
for your patience. We are going

3197
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:17,100
to have our meeting. All right,

3198
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:18,100
Council members,

3199
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:19,100
we are still have a motion

3200
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:20,100
on the table. Continue

3201
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:21,100
discussion. Council Member

3202
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:22,100
Salazar, call the question.

3203
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:24,100
>> Excuse me,

3204
01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:26,100
am I cut off? I'm moving on

3205
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:27,100
because you've been called

3206
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:28,100
twice out.

3207
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:29,100
>> So, Council Member Mulvey,

3208
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:31,100
we have the call the question.

3209
01:45:31,100 --> 01:45:32,100
Is there a second

3210
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:33,100
to call the question

3211
01:45:33,100 --> 01:45:34,100
about motion and a second

3212
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:35,100
to call the question. Clerk,

3213
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:38,100
Deputy, please call the vote.

3214
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:43,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

3215
01:45:57,100 --> 01:45:59,100
>> The motion passes.

3216
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:00,100
>> Thank you. All right. We are

3217
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:02,100
moving on to our final item on

3218
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:03,100
our general business which is

3219
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:05,100
the Mayor.

3220
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:06,100
>> We called the question,

3221
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:07,100
now we have to call the vote

3222
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:08,100
on the motion.

3223
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:09,100
>> Oh, thank you very much.

3224
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:10,100
>> Yes.

3225
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,100
>> All right. Yes, please.

3226
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:12,100
>> Look, Duffy. Do I need

3227
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:13,100
to reread it? Yeah.

3228
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:15,100
>> Does anyone need it re-read?

3229
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:16,100
>> No.

3230
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:17,100
>> With all your. The first

3231
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:19,100
qualification was that we would

3232
01:46:19,100 --> 01:46:21,100
vote immediately.

3233
01:46:21,100 --> 01:46:23,100
>> And since there was a 2/3

3234
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:25,100
vote voting on your motion.

3235
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:27,100
>> Thank you.

3236
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:33,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

3237
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:43,100
>> The motion passes.

3238
01:46:44,100 --> 01:46:46,100
>> Thank you very much. All

3239
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:47,100
right. Now we will move on

3240
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:48,100
to our final item on general

3241
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:49,100
business which is a public

3242
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:51,100
hearing. Initial zoning. The

3243
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:52,100
crow, the Crowsnest plan

3244
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:54,100
development. PD case number

3245
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:57,601
RPD-2025-001. I think I'm okay.

3246
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:06,100
>> Yeah.

3247
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:07,100
>> Okay.

3248
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,100
>> Thank you.

3249
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,100
>> Go ahead.

3250
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:11,100
>> I was letting the community

3251
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:13,100
development staff off this

3252
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:14,100
evening given that it'd be

3253
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:15,100
easier so, as the memo.

3254
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:17,100
>> So, I'm sorry. So, this is a

3255
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:19,100
resolution or a motion?

3256
01:47:19,100 --> 01:47:21,401
Resolution to ultimately vacate

3257
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:25,100
the annexation application

3258
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:26,100
based on the applicant's

3259
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,100
withdrawal which was as I said

3260
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:29,100
earlier, continued

3261
01:47:29,100 --> 01:47:30,100
on the council adoption code

3262
01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:31,100
of the. I'm sorry,

3263
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:32,100
at the pd.

3264
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,100
>> Manager Penny, I need to

3265
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:36,100
interrupt you because I didn't

3266
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:38,100
actually open the public

3267
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:39,100
hearing. I need

3268
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:40,100
to open the public hearing

3269
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:41,100
before we continue

3270
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:43,100
at 7:17 soon.

3271
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:48,100
>> Okay, go ahead.

3272
01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:50,100
>> So. So this is.

3273
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:52,401
>> This policy question is

3274
01:47:55,100 --> 01:47:57,100
relevant now given the language

3275
01:47:57,100 --> 01:47:58,100
and the applicants withdrawal

3276
01:47:58,100 --> 01:48:01,100
of the annexation petition and

3277
01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:03,100
council's adoption

3278
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:05,100
of the previous resolution.

3279
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:06,100
And we were required because

3280
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:08,100
this goes back a ways in terms

3281
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:10,100
of when we were originally

3282
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:12,100
posting dates. So, this was a

3283
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:13,100
posting issue from. I believe

3284
01:48:13,100 --> 01:48:15,100
it was initially a March 5th

3285
01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:16,100
planning commission meeting.

3286
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:18,100
But because the application is

3287
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:20,100
withdrawn. Their. Their PD

3288
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,401
application. We just need

3289
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:27,100
counsel to open the public

3290
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:28,100
hearing and vacate the county

3291
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,100
section petitions, and we have

3292
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:33,100
as the city attorneys was

3293
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:44,100
during my year. We have no

3294
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:46,100
jurisdiction to hear it now.

3295
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:48,100
So.

3296
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:51,100
>> Okay, so what you're looking

3297
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:53,100
for is the a motion to vacate

3298
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:55,100
the public proposed motion

3299
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:56,100
on page two

3300
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:58,401
of the staff memo.

3301
01:49:03,100 --> 01:49:05,100
>> Council members,

3302
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:07,100
does anyone have any questions

3303
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:08,100
for staff right now

3304
01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:10,100
before I entertain our session?

3305
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:11,100
Okay, go ahead. I will

3306
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:12,100
entertain the motion. And

3307
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:13,100
someone tells them

3308
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:15,100
on the piece of paper given

3309
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:17,100
to us.

3310
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:19,100
>> I move to the safe the

3311
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:20,100
public hearing

3312
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:21,100
for initial zoning for the

3313
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:23,401
Crowsnest plan development. PD

3314
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:25,100
case number RPD-2025-001.

3315
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:27,100
Sorry, have a motion and a

3316
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:29,100
second. Is there any discussion

3317
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:30,100
seeing that? None.

3318
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:32,100
>> Clerk Duffy. Please call the

3319
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:34,100
vote.

3320
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:38,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

3321
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:53,100
>> The motion passes and the

3322
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:55,401
public hearing is vacated.

3323
01:50:00,100 --> 01:50:01,100
>> Right. Clerk Duffy, I need

3324
01:50:01,100 --> 01:50:02,100
to close the public hearing.

3325
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:03,100
Do I not? Or.

3326
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:04,100
>> Okay, yes.

3327
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:05,100
>> Perfect. All right then. We

3328
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:06,100
are moving on

3329
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:09,100
to comments and report. City

3330
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:12,100
Manager Penny, do you have

3331
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:14,100
anything

3332
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:15,100
to report this evening?

3333
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:17,100
>> As I mentioned

3334
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:18,100
during the previous resolution,

3335
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:20,100
we will now start working

3336
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:21,100
on that timeline. And I'll

3337
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:22,100
update council on what our

3338
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:24,100
proposed process is as we put

3339
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:26,100
that together. And the only

3340
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:27,100
other thing I want to let you

3341
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:28,100
know is the community center

3342
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:29,100
remodel is going

3343
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:30,100
along as well. There's still

3344
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:32,100
demo work, but we're still

3345
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:33,100
on track

3346
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:34,100
for the clerk's council meeting

3347
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:36,100
in July to be in that room.

3348
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:37,100
And I think you guys will be

3349
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:39,100
very pleased with the outcome

3350
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:40,100
of both the physical, physical,

3351
01:50:40,100 --> 01:50:41,100
built, physical layout of it.

3352
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:42,100
And then the audio visual will

3353
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:43,100
be much nicer than what we've

3354
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:44,100
experienced in the library.

3355
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:46,100
While we appreciate the

3356
01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:47,100
library, I think it's going to

3357
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:48,100
be certainly the next level up.

3358
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:49,100
So, I'm excited. It has

3359
01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:50,100
pictures. It's still just demo

3360
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:52,100
right now,

3361
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:53,100
but as we start it starts

3362
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:56,100
to come together. We'll bring

3363
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:58,100
some pictures. We'll share

3364
01:50:58,100 --> 01:50:59,100
those with you or else you're

3365
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:00,100
obviously welcome

3366
01:51:00,100 --> 01:51:02,100
to go up there and take a look

3367
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:03,100
around us together. So that's

3368
01:51:03,100 --> 01:51:06,100
all I have to see.

3369
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,100
>> Thank you. All right,

3370
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:11,100
we'll move on

3371
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:12,100
to council member reports.

3372
01:51:12,100 --> 01:51:13,100
Council Member Mulvey, we'll

3373
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:15,100
start with you. Thank you. I

3374
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:17,100
appreciate that. The mayor did

3375
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:18,100
a roundtable for Douglas

3376
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:20,100
County citizenry. I was a

3377
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:21,100
little dismayed that I was the

3378
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:22,100
only council member there

3379
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:23,100
to support her,

3380
01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:25,100
but she did a great job,

3381
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:26,100
and it was really good

3382
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:28,100
to see that. I wanted

3383
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:30,100
to ask staff

3384
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:31,100
to add the raise grant to our

3385
01:51:31,100 --> 01:51:32,100
grant list because I know it

3386
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:35,601
just happened so it's just want

3387
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:37,100
to make sure that the public is

3388
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:38,100
seeing that we're applying for

3389
01:51:38,100 --> 01:51:39,100
those funds as well as the

3390
01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:41,100
congressionally directive

3391
01:51:41,100 --> 01:51:43,100
spending for Happy Canyon

3392
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:45,100
Interchange to try to get

3393
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:46,100
everything we're entitled to. I

3394
01:51:46,100 --> 01:51:48,100
want to thank council and

3395
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:51,601
staff. I had a few tangential

3396
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:55,100
questions in advance,

3397
01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:56,100
so I want to thank you

3398
01:51:56,100 --> 01:51:59,100
for that. Just taking the time

3399
01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:00,100
so it didn't take time away

3400
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:03,100
from our meeting. And then I

3401
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:06,601
also want to express to council

3402
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:09,100
that I had some terrific

3403
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:11,100
conversations with some

3404
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:14,100
of our peers

3405
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:15,100
in other jurisdictions, local

3406
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:16,100
jurisdictions, and I think that

3407
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:18,100
the comments that have been

3408
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:19,100
made about us collaborating and

3409
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:20,100
learning from other

3410
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:22,100
jurisdictions is meaningful.

3411
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:23,100
And while it's unfortunate that

3412
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:25,100
I could not properly express or

3413
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:27,100
clearly enough

3414
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:32,100
for you and concisely enough

3415
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,100
for you express what I meant,

3416
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:34,100
I'll say it here where I'm

3417
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:37,100
allowed the I've learned from

3418
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:41,100
Castle Rock how they deal with

3419
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:44,100
these conflicting push and pull

3420
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,100
issues,

3421
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:48,100
and it's different than the way

3422
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:50,100
Parker handles it. And I've

3423
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:52,100
learned from Lone Tree how they

3424
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:53,100
handle them. They have a

3425
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:56,100
different kind of system. So,

3426
01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:58,100
I've also taken the time

3427
01:52:58,100 --> 01:52:59,100
to learn a little bit more

3428
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:01,100
about some

3429
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:04,100
of the developments that Mr.

3430
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:07,100
Penny referred to. And I shared

3431
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:08,100
that. I shared all of these

3432
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:10,100
things that I've learned with

3433
01:53:10,100 --> 01:53:11,100
him so that they can be

3434
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:13,401
incorporated. And I hope

3435
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:16,100
to share them

3436
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,100
with you all as well. But I for

3437
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:20,100
one am learning a tremendous

3438
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:22,100
amount, particularly

3439
01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:26,100
from what is happening with

3440
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:28,100
public comment and the push and

3441
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:29,100
pull in the other jurisdictions

3442
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:31,401
and including at Sterling

3443
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:35,100
Ranch. And I think that

3444
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:37,100
sometimes the issues aren't

3445
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:38,100
exactly the same, but sometimes

3446
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100
they are exactly the same. And

3447
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:41,100
I think the way that we go

3448
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:42,100
about our process here is a

3449
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:44,100
combination

3450
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:49,100
of what we're learning

3451
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:51,100
from there, from all

3452
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:54,100
of these places. And so

3453
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:56,100
to me, it's what we do with our

3454
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:58,401
information and our time,

3455
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:02,100
no matter where it comes from,

3456
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:04,401
that matters. And so,

3457
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:06,100
I do intend to continue

3458
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:07,100
to do that. And I would

3459
01:54:07,100 --> 01:54:09,100
encourage you all

3460
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:10,100
to have an open mind

3461
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:13,601
to it as well. Thank you.

3462
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:17,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. First, a

3463
01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:19,100
question for the city manager.

3464
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:21,100
With your fancy new audio

3465
01:54:21,100 --> 01:54:22,100
visual, can we get some kind

3466
01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:23,100
of button where I can press and

3467
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:25,100
on the screen, it puts us

3468
01:54:25,100 --> 01:54:26,100
in a queue? You think I'm

3469
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:27,100
kidding?

3470
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:29,100
>> Actually, I don't think

3471
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:30,100
you're kidding.

3472
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:31,100
>> I don't.

3473
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:32,100
>> Do not know the answer

3474
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:33,100
to that. But we will ask.

3475
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:34,100
>> That would be outstanding. I

3476
01:54:34,100 --> 01:54:35,100
may be the only one.

3477
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:37,100
>> So, Stephanie has it. Oh,

3478
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:38,100
really?

3479
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:39,100
>> Yeah.

3480
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:40,100
>> Yeah. I'll tell you what it

3481
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:42,100
is.

3482
01:54:42,100 --> 01:54:43,100
>> I just felt like tonight

3483
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:44,100
there was a lot of talking

3484
01:54:44,100 --> 01:54:45,100
over each other

3485
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:47,100
in the study session. So, maybe

3486
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:48,100
not a digital solution, but we.

3487
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:49,100
I think we need something and.

3488
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:50,100
And I probably was the worst

3489
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,100
offender.

3490
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:53,100
>> So, I don't know myself.

3491
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:54,100
>> I like the deli

3492
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:55,100
ticket idea.

3493
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:57,401
>> That's because we're from

3494
01:54:58,100 --> 01:55:00,100
Jersey, right?

3495
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:02,100
>> We're going

3496
01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:03,100
to give the city clerk the

3497
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:04,100
power to turn on and

3498
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:06,100
off the bikes.

3499
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:09,100
>> There you go. On March 12, I

3500
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:10,100
had the pleasure

3501
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:11,100
of attending a reception

3502
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:12,100
for youth in Douglas County.

3503
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:14,100
Reception. And it was the youth

3504
01:55:14,100 --> 01:55:16,100
councils from Parker, Lone

3505
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:19,100
Tree, Castle Rock and Douglas

3506
01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:22,100
County. We do not have one,

3507
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:23,100
but it was a wonderful event.

3508
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:24,100
It was a roundtable that we

3509
01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:27,100
each had a topic. And my topic

3510
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:28,100
that I had with my group as

3511
01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:29,100
they rotated was leadership.

3512
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:31,100
And a lot

3513
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:33,100
of these folks are interested

3514
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:35,100
in civic duty, interested

3515
01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:36,100
in local government. So, I had

3516
01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:39,100
a real good conversation with

3517
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:41,100
those folks. I was delighted

3518
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:43,100
to be part of that. You know,

3519
01:55:43,100 --> 01:55:45,100
I had something else, but must

3520
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:48,100
not have been very important

3521
01:55:49,100 --> 01:55:51,100
because I don't remember it.

3522
01:55:51,100 --> 01:55:53,100
That's it, man.

3523
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:54,100
>> Council Member Cole.

3524
01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:56,100
>> Thank you, ma'am.

3525
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:57,100
>> Just this past Friday, I had

3526
01:55:57,100 --> 01:55:58,100
a pleasure graduating from

3527
01:55:58,100 --> 01:55:59,100
Invisible Leadership Academy,

3528
01:55:59,100 --> 01:56:01,100
which is a yearlong program.

3529
01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:02,100
It is well worth the time and

3530
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:05,601
the effort you put into it.

3531
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:08,100
There were 18 others

3532
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:10,100
from communities under

3533
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:12,100
25,000, so we got to meet some

3534
01:56:12,100 --> 01:56:13,100
and there are some problems

3535
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:14,100
out there I probably didn't

3536
01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:16,100
want to know about. But it was

3537
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:17,100
a great education program and

3538
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:18,100
recommended to any

3539
01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:20,100
of the council members. It runs

3540
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:21,100
a year, but it's well worth

3541
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:23,100
your time and I thank you

3542
01:56:23,100 --> 01:56:25,100
for sponsoring.

3543
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:28,100
>> Council Member Salazar.

3544
01:56:28,100 --> 01:56:30,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. I just

3545
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:31,100
want an update. The parks and

3546
01:56:31,100 --> 01:56:32,100
recreation board met

3547
01:56:32,100 --> 01:56:33,100
on the 19th, so last Thursday

3548
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:34,100
we honored our outgoing

3549
01:56:34,100 --> 01:56:36,100
members, and we welcomed our

3550
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:37,100
new members. Our first meeting

3551
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:39,100
with our new members and we

3552
01:56:39,100 --> 01:56:40,100
discussed what's coming up

3553
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:41,100
for this year. Many things

3554
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:42,100
coming up, but the priority

3555
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:43,100
right now is working

3556
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:44,100
on trail signage. So, we will

3557
01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:45,100
have signs on our trails and

3558
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:46,100
those will also be added. The

3559
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:48,100
trails are already on GIS, but

3560
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:51,601
having some trail signs up and

3561
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:54,100
some trail heads so you can see

3562
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,100
the map of all the trails. So

3563
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:56,100
that's something that the park

3564
01:56:56,100 --> 01:56:59,100
score will be working on.

3565
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:08,100
>> Council Member Winegar.

3566
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:09,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. I had the

3567
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:10,100
fortunate honor. I have the

3568
01:57:10,100 --> 01:57:12,100
fortunate honor

3569
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:13,100
of attending the Commonsense

3570
01:57:13,100 --> 01:57:15,100
Institute here recently. It was

3571
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:16,100
my first time experiencing

3572
01:57:16,100 --> 01:57:18,100
something like this. They're a

3573
01:57:18,100 --> 01:57:19,100
bipartisan organization. They

3574
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:21,401
brought data related to

3575
01:57:22,100 --> 01:57:23,100
Colorado's economy and I think

3576
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:24,100
there's someone worthwhile

3577
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:25,100
checking out and continuing. I

3578
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:27,100
look forward to going to more

3579
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:30,100
of those and learning more. I

3580
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:31,100
think that, you know,

3581
01:57:31,100 --> 01:57:32,100
regulations,

3582
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:33,100
taxation and tabor were big

3583
01:57:33,100 --> 01:57:34,100
Topics, and it was nice

3584
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:36,100
to hear both sides

3585
01:57:36,100 --> 01:57:37,100
of the fence on that.

3586
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:38,100
>> And I thought it was a nice,

3587
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:40,401
robust conversation. And there

3588
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:49,100
was a lot

3589
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:51,100
of representation there,

3590
01:57:51,100 --> 01:57:52,100
public and about them. So, it

3591
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:53,100
was enjoyable. Comment I have

3592
01:57:53,100 --> 01:57:54,100
is just again, thank you

3593
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:55,100
for the community showing up,

3594
01:57:55,100 --> 01:57:57,100
voicing their voice

3595
01:57:57,100 --> 01:57:58,100
for whatever it is. It's

3596
01:57:58,100 --> 01:58:00,100
important

3597
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:02,100
to have a community that,

3598
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:03,100
that stands up

3599
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:05,100
for their beliefs, and I

3600
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:06,100
appreciate all their efforts

3601
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:07,100
to come in front of us and

3602
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:10,100
to speak up their boss.

3603
01:58:11,100 --> 01:58:12,100
>> Mayor, before you go, may I

3604
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:13,100
ask council member Salazar a

3605
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:15,100
question? Council member,

3606
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:16,100
would you mind sharing the kind

3607
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:17,100
of the cool news we had

3608
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,100
about the naming

3609
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:19,100
of the parks, the name

3610
01:58:19,100 --> 01:58:20,100
of the parks, the name

3611
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:21,100
of the trails.

3612
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:22,100
>> Naming of the trails.

3613
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:23,100
>> See, what's the cool news?

3614
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:24,100
>> The name. Didn't we approve

3615
01:58:24,100 --> 01:58:25,100
voting on it? Yes, I was hoping

3616
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:26,100
it'd be a little bit more

3617
01:58:26,100 --> 01:58:28,100
enthusiastic.

3618
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:33,100
>> Yeah, so we did approve

3619
01:58:33,100 --> 01:58:34,100
at our last meeting.

3620
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:35,100
>> So, on the west side,

3621
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:37,100
all the

3622
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:40,100
trails have been named,

3623
01:58:40,100 --> 01:58:42,100
and they have been named based

3624
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:43,100
on geographical or geological

3625
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:44,100
or geographical features. So,

3626
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:46,100
ridges and tall grasses, trees,

3627
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:47,100
those kinds of creeks, also

3628
01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:49,100
by neighborhood. So if you're

3629
01:58:49,100 --> 01:58:50,100
out on the trail

3630
01:58:50,100 --> 01:58:52,100
on the west side,

3631
01:58:52,100 --> 01:58:55,100
if you see something wrong

3632
01:58:56,100 --> 01:58:57,100
with the trail now,

3633
01:58:57,100 --> 01:58:58,100
you know how to report it

3634
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:01,100
because you know the trail has

3635
01:59:01,100 --> 01:59:05,201
a needle or if you get lost,

3636
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:08,100
they're going

3637
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,100
to need help.

3638
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:19,100
>> You know how

3639
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:23,100
to help someone to come find

3640
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,100
you because you know the trail

3641
01:59:24,100 --> 01:59:25,100
has a need. And then we'll

3642
01:59:25,100 --> 01:59:26,100
start working on the trails

3643
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:27,100
on the east side to get them

3644
01:59:27,100 --> 01:59:28,100
all names and get trail

3645
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:29,100
signage. So, it's all one

3646
01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:30,100
connected city. So, we're super

3647
01:59:30,100 --> 01:59:31,100
excited that we've. There were

3648
01:59:31,100 --> 01:59:33,100
35 trails we've already named.

3649
01:59:33,100 --> 01:59:34,100
So, it's a big. It's a big

3650
01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:35,100
project for the parks Board.

3651
01:59:35,100 --> 01:59:36,100
>> Thanks for coming up.

3652
01:59:36,100 --> 01:59:37,100
>> And Mayor, thank you

3653
01:59:37,100 --> 01:59:38,100
for allowing that question.

3654
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:39,100
>> All right, thank you.

3655
01:59:39,100 --> 01:59:40,100
>> Thank you, audience,

3656
01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:41,100
so much

3657
01:59:41,100 --> 01:59:42,100
for being here this evening.

3658
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:44,100
We really do appreciate hearing

3659
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:45,100
from you, and we hope to hear

3660
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:46,100
from you as we explore this

3661
01:59:46,100 --> 01:59:47,100
policy and hear what we're

3662
01:59:47,100 --> 01:59:48,100
going to do. The retreat was

3663
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:49,100
fantastic

3664
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:50,100
to have this conversation

3665
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:51,100
with council about. We don't

3666
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:52,100
really have framework right now

3667
01:59:52,100 --> 01:59:53,100
to help guide us on how

3668
01:59:53,100 --> 01:59:54,100
to make these types

3669
01:59:54,100 --> 01:59:55,100
of decisions, and we need you

3670
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:56,100
to participate in that

3671
01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:57,100
to help us determine what's

3672
01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:58,100
in the best interest of

3673
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:59,100
Castle Pines. And so,

3674
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:00,100
we really look forward to that

3675
02:00:00,100 --> 02:00:01,100
discussion and further dialogue

3676
02:00:01,100 --> 02:00:02,100
to find out more about what the

3677
02:00:02,100 --> 02:00:03,100
community is looking

3678
02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:04,100
for the future of Castle

3679
02:00:04,100 --> 02:00:05,100
Pines. So, then we can create

3680
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:06,100
our policies that state those

3681
02:00:06,100 --> 02:00:07,100
things and make it very clear

3682
02:00:07,100 --> 02:00:08,100
to people that want to come

3683
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:09,100
to Castle Pines. What it is,

3684
02:00:09,100 --> 02:00:10,100
our expectation is

3685
02:00:10,100 --> 02:00:11,100
of them that they want

3686
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:13,100
to be part of Castle Pines.

3687
02:00:13,100 --> 02:00:14,100
So, thank you

3688
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:15,100
for that and I look forward to

3689
02:00:15,100 --> 02:00:16,100
our future conversations. I had

3690
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:17,100
a very great attendance with

3691
02:00:17,100 --> 02:00:19,100
South Metro Denver Chamber. We

3692
02:00:19,100 --> 02:00:22,601
had a mayor's panel two weeks

3693
02:00:24,100 --> 02:00:25,100
ago, very well attended. At the

3694
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:26,100
end they had a networking

3695
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:27,100
opportunity, and I had a lot

3696
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:29,100
of, not necessarily residents

3697
02:00:29,100 --> 02:00:30,100
of Castle Pines, but residents

3698
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:31,100
of the area that were really

3699
02:00:31,100 --> 02:00:33,100
surprised about the things that

3700
02:00:33,100 --> 02:00:34,100
are happening in Castle

3701
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:36,100
Pines. So, I think it was

3702
02:00:36,100 --> 02:00:38,100
successful in the fact that

3703
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:39,100
they hear what's happening here

3704
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:40,100
and that there are things

3705
02:00:40,100 --> 02:00:42,100
happening. And we are looking

3706
02:00:42,100 --> 02:00:43,100
forward to seeing more

3707
02:00:43,100 --> 02:00:45,100
commercial and retail

3708
02:00:47,100 --> 02:00:49,401
opportunities in the future

3709
02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:57,100
for us. And we're getting more

3710
02:00:57,100 --> 02:00:59,100
attention and I think that's

3711
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:00,100
good. I think it's going

3712
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:02,100
to bring the type

3713
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:03,100
of users that we're looking

3714
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:04,100
for to this community just by

3715
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:06,100
them having knowledge that

3716
02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:07,100
we're open

3717
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:08,100
for business and we'd

3718
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:10,100
like them to come here. And

3719
02:01:10,100 --> 02:01:11,100
then I spent some time in D.C.

3720
02:01:11,100 --> 02:01:13,100
this past week working on our

3721
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:14,100
zip code advocacy and we maybe

3722
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:15,100
didn't make as much progress as

3723
02:01:15,100 --> 02:01:17,100
the last visit. And I think

3724
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:19,401
that's part to do

3725
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:21,100
with there's a lot going on

3726
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:24,100
in D.C. right now.

3727
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:25,100
>> So, we got a lot

3728
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:26,100
of more visits

3729
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:28,100
with staff as opposed

3730
02:01:28,100 --> 02:01:29,100
to elected officials.

3731
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:30,100
But we had a couple roadblocks

3732
02:01:30,100 --> 02:01:31,100
with a few senators that I

3733
02:01:31,100 --> 02:01:33,100
think that we made progress,

3734
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:35,100
that they're going

3735
02:01:36,100 --> 02:01:37,100
to not be the hurdle. They're

3736
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:39,100
not going

3737
02:01:39,100 --> 02:01:40,100
to necessarily put a hold

3738
02:01:40,100 --> 02:01:42,100
on the bill.

3739
02:01:42,100 --> 02:01:43,100
>> Not 100% sure, but we

3740
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:45,100
definitely made some inroads.

3741
02:01:45,100 --> 02:01:46,100
And so I think that we've made

3742
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:48,100
some more progress. I think

3743
02:01:48,100 --> 02:01:49,100
it's probably going

3744
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:51,100
to require us

3745
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:53,100
to go there again sometime

3746
02:01:53,100 --> 02:01:54,100
in the future. But Senator

3747
02:01:54,100 --> 02:01:55,100
Rand Paul made it clear that he

3748
02:01:55,100 --> 02:01:57,100
is willing

3749
02:01:57,100 --> 02:01:58,100
to see our bill and markup

3750
02:01:58,100 --> 02:02:01,601
in either May or June or

3751
02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:06,100
sometime in the future. But

3752
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:07,100
Homeland Security Committee

3753
02:02:07,100 --> 02:02:08,100
doesn't have very many markups.

3754
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:09,100
They're not necessarily a super

3755
02:02:09,100 --> 02:02:10,100
functioning committee. So,

3756
02:02:10,100 --> 02:02:12,100
we'll see if that happens.

3757
02:02:12,100 --> 02:02:13,100
But two of the other senators

3758
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:14,100
are also working

3759
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:16,100
on merging the two Senate bills

3760
02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:18,401
together. So, we're still

3761
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:20,100
making progress. I mean,

3762
02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:21,100
this is a lot farther

3763
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:23,100
from where we are right now,

3764
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:24,100
from where we started even

3765
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:26,100
three years ago. So. So

3766
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:28,100
hopefully we will see this bill

3767
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:30,100
get in front of the entire

3768
02:02:30,100 --> 02:02:31,100
Senate and get passed and then

3769
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:33,100
back to the House and pass

3770
02:02:33,100 --> 02:02:35,100
there too. But I think that it

3771
02:02:35,100 --> 02:02:36,100
is absolutely doable

3772
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:38,100
for this year. So, we're going

3773
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:40,100
to keep our fingers crossed

3774
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:41,000
with that. We adjourn the

3775
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:43,100
meeting at 7:32. Thank you

3776
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:44,000
everyone.