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Don't get so squishy. Good afternoon. Welcome to Cathedral City City Council meeting. The Mayor, Mayor St. Henry, is out of town. He'll be joining us by telephone for this for the evening session in Councilman Agu IV, finishing up a meeting in Palm Desert and is on his way. We'll go ahead and start and if the clerk can call the roll call.

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Council Member Aguilar, Council Member Carnivali, Council Member Kaplan, Mayor Potem Pettis, Mayor Henry.

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Mayor Motion to Excuse, Motion to Excuse, Mayor Henry.

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Please be an motion or second on favor.

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I think carries.

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I don't believe there's any change to the agenda.

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All right.

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We could read the statement of participation, please.

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Public comment is the opportunity for members of the public to comment on any items not appearing

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on the regular agenda.

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Because of restrictions contained in California law, the City Council may not discuss or act

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on any item not on the agenda, but may briefly respond to a statement made or ask a question

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for clarification.

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The mayor may also request a brief response from staff to questions raised during public comments

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or may request a matter of being a genderized for a future meeting.

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If you desire to address the City Council during the meeting, please complete a request

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to speak from available at the entrance and present it to the Deputy City Clerk.

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Speakers will be called upon by the mayor at the appropriate time.

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All speakers are encouraged to fill out a form so the mayor can call on all those who

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wish to speak.

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Please remember you have three minutes.

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Thank you.

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Is there any public comment on any item that is not on the study session agenda?

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Seeing that, we'll move on then to the first item, which is an update on the Agwork Collianta

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Elementary School Project.

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That's Mayor Pro Tem.

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I would like to introduce Julie Arthur from the School District, and she will introduce the architect on this project to us here this evening

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and they're going to give you an overview of how the project is coming along and what the building's going to look like.

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This afternoon I have with me, I have John Vega, our project manager.

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I have Dr. Brian Murray, our assistant superintendent of Business Services, and I have Rich Nguickie of Baker Nokey Design Studio, who has worked with us still at the G on this project as we move forward.

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So, right now, we have actually let the contract, so we have Ericsson Hall Construction, who

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is our construction team, and these are the gentlemen, Rick, Ryan, Dane, and Christopher,

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who are on the day-to-day site work, actually, on-site right now.

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So, what we have here is, it's actually called a renovation since the existing school site,

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and the existing school buildings were built in 1961.

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We currently have enrollment of 599 students in kinder through fifth grade.

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The site layout for the school is a circle, which is really unusual.

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I've been in school construction business for over 20 years, and this is the first circle

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site that I've ever seen.

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And we get why it was done.

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It was actually at that time when the dream home was constructed.

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The elementary school was the center of that community.

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And it truly was, and we wanted to be again, and how that community works together, and

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comes together as a loving community, has always been one of the essence of that school.

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One of the other challenges we've had, besides not having any corners, is that it has one

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way in and one way out, a one way road that actually comes in and goes around.

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It was also 1961, it was built out of metal modular building materials.

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So, at the time, many schools in California were under the state building program, and they

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actually had, kind of, a prototype that they were putting out that time.

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Through, I imagine, all these steel that came back from ships and buildings, the military,

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after World War II, they actually melted those down and went into many school buildings.

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So, the type of metal modulus that they have are all over Southern California.

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Right now, it has 18 permanent classrooms, which are the metal modules.

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We have two Kinder buildings.

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One was built with a school was originally done, then one was added about 10 years later.

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And we have 13 portable tight classrooms.

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And those are the kind of, we bring those in and pieces, we put those together, and part of that

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was with the growth that has happened at Agalian since it was originally built.

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So, in 2012, the construction twice as full district, we did a facility master plan update.

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And one of the items in the master plan was aquacallante's need for seismic mitigation.

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Considering the year it was built materials and such, and the building envelope needs.

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As many buildings have aged from the 60s, we have cast iron pipe in the ground.

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And that has about a lifespan of about 40 years or about 10 years past that, maybe a little more.

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So you start seeing the rust and all that type of things that happen at the schools.

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So with that, we then worked with Baker Nuickie design, and we've brought three options to our Board of Education.

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The first option was just prepared the necessary items of the building.

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Second option was repair the permanent billies bring them up to code and replace all the portables with permanent construction.

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And the third was replace all the facilities on campus with new construction.

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So our Board of Education selected option C, which was to replace all the facility buildings on the existing campus.

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And the idea was that we would be building new buildings on the play field.

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So what they did is they requested the new design include a campus layout that was safe and secure for all the students and staff.

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They also wanted the architecture to complement the surrounding neighborhoods.

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They didn't want to put a Spanish style building in the, like, computer city elementary and the neighborhood.

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The architecture didn't fit with that.

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And while we're doing all this, we couldn't interrupt the school program during the school year.

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So we didn't have a place to locate the students so we had to keep them intact in the buildings are in.

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We're building on the play field, the new buildings.

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Once those are complete, and we'll move the students over, take the old buildings down, and we'll do their play field there.

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So after about two and a half years, that's where we're at.

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And now I'm going to have Rich Norwicky, our design architect come up and talk about the essence of how the design came about.

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Good evening. Thank you very much for the opportunity to present design for Admiral Kelliante Elementary School to you.

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Before I get started, I do want to just thank Tracy for working with me diligently on getting this very large PowerPoint file to work on your systems.

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So congrats. Thank you for that.

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But so once the school district decided that we needed to replace all the buildings on the campus,

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That gave us the opportunity to reassess how the site worked, and if you saw that previous slide showing how the campus is currently laid out, there's a lot of supervision and security issues having the building so far back from the access point to the campus.

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So this diagram was a diagram that was ultimately chosen by the district, and what it does is it brings the buildings closer to the main entrance where it can supervise a control of the parking conditions,

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and the service or the drive that extended all the way to the north side of the property is now going to be limited to pick up and drop off in the morning and the afternoon and the rest of the day that will be secured.

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And that way I think will help create a more secure campus.

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You can let click.

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What's that?

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You can let click in at all the answers, but we're going to work.

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So, from that diagram, we resulted in this site plan, as you can see, the buildings numbered

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one through five are new buildings, and the fields are now to the north side of the site.

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That allowed us to do two things.

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One is, as Dually mentioned, keep the existing campus in operation during construction.

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The new buildings are built on the fields that campus will have to deal with a little bit restricted to PE during the term of construction, but construction can't happen.

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Also, as Julie mentioned, very critical is that the architecture of the complementary to the community and the legacy of design that's here in the cathedral city area.

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And in our looking around, we saw great deal of Palm Springs

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Modernism, the dream homes themselves, the dreamer homes are

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Modernist homes, and this original school is a modular

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sort of modernist expression.

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And so we looked at architecture of the area and attempted

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to plan our school accordingly.

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So we have some animations I just want to run through quickly.

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You can see how the campus is working, if you want to stop at any point, we can.

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But in this diagram you can see the parking at the front.

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I'm going to use a laser pointer field mark.

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But the front entrance is here.

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So as people come in, parents come in and they drop off.

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The drop off is right in the front of the school,

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where it's easily supervised and the academic buildings are secure

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behind the admin and multiple multi-purpose room building here,

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providing that security on campus that you want to see.

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Is that all single story?

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It is not.

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And I think the next renderings will show better.

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But this building here and this one

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can continue here and that are two-story construction.

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Two-story classrooms.

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The food service MPR admin and part of the kindergarten are all seen in the story.

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Where's the food service at?

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Right, it's right here.

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So there's a service trucks and come in.

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There's a service yard here.

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This is a lunch shelter.

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And so at this point right here where there'll be a gate so that after the drop-off in the morning

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that can be closed and secured visitors during the school day will park and leave the way

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they came and they won't have this access around the site.

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It was in meeting with the police department at the New York City that that drive being

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open throughout the day and night has been problematic over time.

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So just a few more character.

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This is sort of the kindergarten drop-off coming around to the front of the school.

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put more people, but it really slows the renderings down.

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So this is the breezeway at the front of the school, the NPRs, on our left, coming into

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the main campus quad,

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and continuing from there, you'll look down that, emerging interview

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is the library, media center, and that's the kindergarten building in the background.

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kindergarten perspective.

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These classrooms here are actually science labs, which is somewhat

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new to elementary school design, but the curriculum is changing and we're seeing that more

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and more in schools.

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So moving from there, just to reiterate the phasing, the red dash line

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here delineates, here's the existing campus for the existing buildings, and this is the new area.

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So, at present, this is Finstoff, they're going to construct this half of the site, and then when that's complete, students can then move into the new buildings, that will turn over this half of the site to the contractor, they can tear down the old buildings and turn that into the fields, and then we'll have complete.

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So, the schedule then, construction is underway, and that phase one is slated to be completed in September of 18, the end of September, at which time they'll make the

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the move into the new buildings and the face to the fields of the playground, which is a shorter duration,

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should be done by the end of March 2019.

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Happy to answer any questions.

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Are you destroying the existing buildings or you deconstructing the existing buildings?

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They are being demolished.

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Their condition is not very good over the years.

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They really weren't built to last this long.

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And analysis was done, a structural analysis was done,

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before we started design.

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I hope we did a needs assessment of the property.

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And the structural engineer determined that there was no

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economic or feasible way to bring those buildings up to

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current seismic codes without really stepping into a

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that matches, you know, what we're getting in the facility for.

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That parking lot going to go solar, like most of the other schools.

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So, at this time with the parking lot, we'd actually have to lay it out and see what we could actually put in.

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We have put in quite a bit of solar, as you know, at most of our school sites.

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It's something our board is very involved in.

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But it may not go in the parking lot.

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We believe that some of the flat roofs in the back, we left in us face,

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So we may go on rooftop there, but solar is something that our school district of course embraces very much and we like the renewable energy part of that

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The building itself is a CMU burnish block and it's highly actually efficient a sustainable product as well as we use what's called low E

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Which is a heat resistant wrap that we put within the roof in the areas and it actually prevents the heat from coming in

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It's again one of our sustainable projects

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And one of the things that we didn't actually show, just time limited, is we actually did a wind and sun analysis, which is actually how we set the buildings in the direction, of course, to maximize the most shade we can with the buildings, as well as wind blockers in the area.

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during construction,

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how was traffic being worked on, not so much for the students because I would imagine the drop office in the state of the same, but for the residents and also they can get in and out of the neighborhood.

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So right now we only have the back entry, the double gates that was the construction entry area.

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And during the school year, we'll only allow entry in that area at certain times.

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So, entry into the construction zone would probably be before 8 a.m.

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and then the gates closed and no one can actually enter the construction zones until after all the students get into campus.

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And then we can open it back up later for deliveries and we close it for an hour period as well at the end of the day.

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That way the parents can come and go into the traffic area without any construction traffic interference.

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Most of my questions have already been answered.

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Am I correct in saying that the neighbors use some of the green space around the school presently?

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At this time, for the last couple of years, the neighbors have not been using the back area as a park or anything.

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That actually stopped a couple of years ago.

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The school space has been basically used as a school.

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Thanks.

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In comparison to the existing green space, how much is that?

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What were you having the new new facility?

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Well, actually because it's going with a two-story footprint, we'll actually have more

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green space available on the campus.

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The parking lot does go a little bigger as well because we really have to work on the pickup

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drop off there.

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the existing pickup drop-off is definitely not ideal.

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And, but you're also creating more stormwater management.

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We are, and we actually, if you can actually look on the side there,

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we actually mitigate that.

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When the requirements for the Division of State Architect who approves all of our civil sites

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is we have to keep all water on the site.

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And so we have a retention basin that's right in this area,

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that's quite deep, that's actually finced off from students that allows the flow

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the water would be captured in there.

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Is this a school set up? I know the existing one isn't, but is this set up for uses and emergency

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for the residents to be able to use it in the case of earthquake or absolutely. So they have

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actually two options the residents do. So our multipurpose rooms are always set up for emergency

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operations, but actually about 500 feet to the west of this building is our service center.

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which is actually the district's entire emergency operation center as well.

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So they actually have two options, probably a vending neighborhood.

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They've got the most close options available to any residents.

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Our service center also has our central kitchen production.

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So that's where all of our food comes in and out and it's actually cooked out.

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And he's that being communicated with the residents.

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I mean the ability to use that the district facility.

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Actually, as we move along through our, we're redoing our emergency operation process and procedures, it will all be shared with the community.

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So what we've been doing right now in community with our community is we've been sending letters to the residents all around the area within 500 feet as well as home with students and

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to parents as well. So we're trying our best to outreach and have these programs and that way

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we actually keep in touch with what's going on. If there's an issue, they can let myself

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for the principal know we've got a website as well that they can actually email us.

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And as we progress a little bit, people actually start seeing buildings coming out of the ground.

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That's when it gets exciting. We can actually bring the community back in probably in September

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when school starts and then along the whole process I'm sure we're going to be

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wanting to come back and as the skeleton fills in and give tours hard-hat

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tours as we're moving along so they we we really like the community to get excited

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about the buildings we think it's going to be a beautiful project beautiful

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buildings so we hope the community really gets behind us on that just going back to

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the emergency response situation will you have emergency generation

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So, at the elementary schools, we do not have backup emergency generation, but at the service center, again, 500 feet to the west.

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We have emergency generators there.

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And what's the student capacity that this school's being built for?

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Actually, this capacity is 875 students.

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So, again, as we, and that doesn't include our two early childhood classrooms in what we have right now.

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So, that's actually part of the 875, but currently we have 600 students.

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we count early childhood isn't counted in there.

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So early childhood will probably add another 50 to 75.

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And I don't know whether you can answer this or Brian can.

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But what is the area of the city that is served by this?

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It's not just the dream homes.

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I mean, it's a larger...

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Actually, our boundary for this elementary school actually goes all the way

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through to the wash up to about landell boulevard, and then actually goes across into the sky,

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sky blue area.

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And that split half way there.

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And those areas actually, the students are best in, because we don't want them cross in the

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remote, of course, it's a dangerous street, but that area is best in.

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We have several buses that actually come in.

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That's why it's important to make sure our best drop off.

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And this design you can see is actually separated on the side over here.

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So our part cars and our best drop off don't intersect at all, like the existing site.

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Right now we have a lot of trouble with that.

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Any other question?

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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Again, any questions or anything that moves along?

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We're happy to talk with you on it.

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You indicated you already started construction.

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Yes.

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So we've actually, we were, as you showed you on the site,

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a lot of the black top and one of the buildings is coming down. So we're doing this

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fastest removal right now on one of the buildings and the black top is already being

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removed and the whole play field is already been graded starting. So getting ready for the

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infrastructure and good thing. Chris, maybe there might be an opportunity to interview someone

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from the district to put on CCTV so that they can give an update to the entire community

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on our own.

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I would love to.

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If you would like to take this PowerPoint as one of those, put it up or anything as we

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move along, that would be great.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Next up is an update from Coachella Valley Economic Partnership.

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Thank you, Mayor Protem.

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Members of the Council, Joe Wallace is here.

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Who is the CEO of the Coachella Valley Economic Partnership?

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And you had some questions and you asked for an update from CVAP when we were

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considering this in the budget. So along with the regular update he is here to provide he'll be addressing some of those questions as well.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to be here. I'm going to give you an update and then I've brought John McMullon who is a resident of

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cathedral city and his company is one of our eye hub companies. They're located at the accelerator campus.

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wanted him to talk to you a little bit about what his relationship with Steve App and the IUP has been helping his business.

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You know, so our annual report last year, our assets, you know, we came off of a bad year 2014-15.

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We've corrected that.

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Our revenue exceeded expenses in the previous year to the one that's ending now by about $235,000.

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We use that to get rid of all of our long-term debt and to drop our payables.

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So our liabilities are down by 64.5% relative to where they were when we were having problems.

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And our assets have increased and all of our indicators for the year that we're finishing now is that everything is going to be positive.

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So we are to, I'll say, the point where we consider ourselves to be sustainable if our investors stay with us.

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We turn on investment. First number is valley-wide. Last year, there were $8.1 million of

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loan and equity capital access by small businesses in the entire region. That's been

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33 million since 2012. That does not include DiHub. That's the work that we do outside

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DiHub to our business services group. Last year in Cathedral City alone, $80,000 of

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an equity capital was raised by companies that are owned by people who live in the

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digital city or and the companies that are located in the digital city. Real quick

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when on the I hub, our first five years is over, we exceeded goals, equity investments

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are more than $20 million, goal was 7, the goal was 20 patents and that 19 became 20

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last week. So every metric except number of employees has been exceeded. Going for

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290, we actually have 163, but these are very good jobs. They're, you know, well in

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excess of $50,000 a year. And we're getting 2 and 3 applications a month coming in

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now. We're going to be over capacity. Funding sources. I haven't been sharing this

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until this year. The important thing is that for this year, a public funding is about 40

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1%, health care sectors 12.7, banking 133,000, 11%, other small businesses, private businesses,

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14%, but we have self-generated income.

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That's where we're running ourselves as a consulting firm, where we generated $240,000 or

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20% of our income last year, self-generated.

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That number was zero three years ago.

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So part of the reclamation of C-Vat was going out and finding a way to sell our own services to the outside world.

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So we're one of our own donors.

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And if you look at that, we're the second largest sector from our own labor.

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Economic impact report.

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This was done by Southern California Edison.

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We supply them necks, codes, numbers of jobs, locations.

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You know, to be real, jump right to the bottom line.

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And they turned the crank, it's their calculations, not ours.

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They said that our economic impact for the calendar year 2016 is $80.3 million.

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We spent $1.1 million.

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That's almost an 80-to-one leverage of what's been going into the entirety of CVE.

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Business Services Division, we now have its branded under CVE up now and not the SBDC.

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We have a GIS services offering and that's geographic information services.

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What they do is their big data crunchers, two of the projects that we've worked on for

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outside groups, one of them is for one of the Indian tribes that wanted to know where to

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send their buses to be able to get more people who are in tune with that and I go to

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the casino, I lose $20 and I go home.

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They're not looking for people like me, they're looking for people that are willing to come in there and spend more.

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And they gave us all of the data on their little cards and we told them exactly the three places that they could go to expand their business to make more money.

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You guys are going to have a casino in a couple of years. That's going to be available.

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We have Axion in our building, that's a micro-linder.

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They chose our offices to domicile their business.

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They give loans to small businesses from zero to $25,000,

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and they don't require an 800 credit score.

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They're financing people that the banks won't.

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On top of that, we have industry now in the building.

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Lendistry takes over where Axion knocks it off.

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They start at about $25,000.

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They go up to about a million.

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When you get over a million, you're talking about angel investors or VCs, things like that.

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So, to have two groups like that inside our building that are offering loans.

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It's never been done anywhere else in this valley.

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Tangible value to the table city.

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30 hours of counseling, and that doesn't count counseling to the eye-hub companies that have cathedral city people.

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We work with five different client businesses.

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We're assisting several of your brick and mortar businesses here in town to put loan packages together.

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And actually the city has taken advantage of our GIS services for some demographic and income comparisons.

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We participated in all of the stakeholder engagement workshops here.

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We've hosted one event in Cathedral City over the last year at the Chamber of Commerce.

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and I've been a guest speaker at your chamber for two years and my trusty Chief of Staff

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back here has been the head of your chamber, the head of your board of directors for the past

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year, and has been very instrumental in the decision to merge your chamber into the Greater

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Coachelli Valley Chamber, which will allow you to have a regional focus from that, and it's

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a very good decision, and I applaud all of you for it. We've had some business attraction activities

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for the past year. We had a $50,000 advertising package given to us by American Airlines.

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The Google Foundation funded us to $10,000 a month worth of ad words, so we can go out and

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try to attract people to come talk to us. And we've done some direct GIS targeting of coastal

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companies. What we're looking for is not the guy that made $10 billion on a startup company

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that makes you face to have bunny ears and things. We're looking for the kid down down the

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away from him that didn't make the $10 billion, who can come to the

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word, you can have a lifestyle on a reasonable salary here, you don't

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have to have $3 million for a house, here you can find a good one for

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way less than that. Objectives for next year, this is, you know, first off, I'll

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mention our workforce excellence group, the one that doesn't

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scholarships. They are now there.

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Our own entity. They're called one future CV. And the reason we spun them off is because those who like to fund scholarships for children are not the ones who like to fund economic development.

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And vice versa. The people who will fund them, won't fund us. The people who will fund us are not interested in funding them. This is a better way for them to become sustainable so that those scholarships can go forward in perpetuity.

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It's giving out a million and a half dollars a year to the children of the Pachele Valley.

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We did manage that until two months ago.

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We still are the custodian of the dollars from California Futures Foundation and is a

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little over a hundred thousand went to students from Cathedral City from the Cebep Scholarships.

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Business Attraction activities, I talked about some of the cyber activities, we're planning

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this year to step it up a little bit, we're putting together a plan to have a site select

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We're going to invite people to our site selectors for the kind of businesses that we can do here and that we want to do here.

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And so that'll probably happen in February or March.

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So we're still in the planning stages.

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We're attracting new private investors.

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But some of this is to invest in critical infrastructure that we're lacking here.

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You know if I have three dreams to really make us competitive with some of the other high tech areas.

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Number one is to bring in bandwidth.

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That's over a gigabit per second.

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We have a map where you can go check that.

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We're pretty good down at about 50 mag per second.

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What you need to listen to music, watch television.

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There are two very little areas in the valley.

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Some in Palm Springs, a little bit down in Washington Avenue area,

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where you get a hundred megabit per second.

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When you ask for a gigabit per second,

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that it is completely blank.

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Bandwidth will be just as critical as sewers and water and roads in five years.

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We're working with this group at the county.

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We have co-connect.

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I think I see that on your consent calendar.

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And we're certainly in favor of that.

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See that doesn't have millions and tens of millions of dollars to put in fiber.

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But if we work with the county, maybe we can all work together and make something happen.

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So we're behind that effort.

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And then the third one is we need CSU or some other college to continue the expansion of degree offerings.

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You know, they're offering degrees in nursing.

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Nursing takes a person who would make $30,000 a year.

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They get them a degree. They go make eight.

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The next is hospitality. Same thing.

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That kind of degree makes you a better job if they do teaching.

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Once again, better job. These are not wealth creating degrees.

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So, we need to go as fast as possible to where degrees are offered in engineering, computer science, business, and finance.

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Because the apples of the world, the Googles of the world, they come out of the STEM education schools.

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They don't come out of service groups.

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And so, we're going to advocate for that.

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That's got to be done by the state.

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But, you know, we're 600,000 people living out here.

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We need a full service university, and we're going to start getting in the middle of that.

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We will be working a lot closer with the chambers of commerce last year.

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We did bring eight of the nine cities back into the Seabep fold.

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We were down to five.

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It's now at eight.

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And we will continue to be attentive, transparent, and interactive with all of you.

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Any of you can come in for a tour a couple of days.

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And we would love to hear what you want us to do and make some of it happen.

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You know, you spoke and I think Mr. Councilman Aguilar spoke last year about Spanish language courses.

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We do them. We don't have a person on staff that does them, but it's the guy that does it here.

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Our Mundo. We're the ones that started using him for things in the valley and will continue to do so.

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So that we learned that here and we've done things about it.

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So with that, I would encourage you to come to our summit on October 25th and I'll leave this to John to talk to you about

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we've helped him and then I'll be available for questions if you have them after that.

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Thank you and good afternoon. I became involved with the Coachella Valley Economic Partnership

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late last summer early fall. When we were engaged, our business was engaged in doing some

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video production work for the organization ahead of its economic summit and in the course of building

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that relationship and working with their then marketing director, Stephen Miller, and eventually

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being introduced to Joe, and later to Lisa Baudenard.

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We realized that this was a critical organization at the stage bar business that we needed

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to get involved with, and as a company that had started in mid 2015 here in Cathedral City,

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We were based up the street over by Elpertoll restaurant.

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We had, in a very short period of time, outgrown our space, and we're facing the challenges

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that a lot of businesses here in the area face with regards to the infrastructure of bandwidth

432
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:28,550
and telecommunications needs, which we're just not up to snuff here.

433
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:33,970
And we wanted to not go too far from where we were based here.

434
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:43,690
as Joe mentioned, I live in Cathedral City, I've been here for 10 years, and so we got

435
00:35:43,690 --> 00:35:51,690
involved with Siva at the board level, and that was critical to our company being able

436
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:56,710
to grow in terms of business relationships in the Valley, the networking opportunities

437
00:35:56,710 --> 00:36:01,970
that came about as a result of being involved at that level were significant, and a short

438
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:08,790
time later, Joe and Lisa introduced me to the I have program to the Accelerator Campus in Palm Springs.

439
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:15,250
And after looking far and wide across the Contella Valley for the better part of eight to

440
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:20,710
ten months for a place that could accommodate us without bankrupting the company at the stage.

441
00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:21,770
We were at an art development.

442
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:29,410
We were able to find really a great turnkey solution for us to be able to move into and to

443
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:34,930
our multi-media business. We produced a syndicated radio programming that's heard across the country.

444
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:44,070
We do, we develop and distribute podcasts, audio and video. We have a full complement of

445
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:52,190
multimedia production. We do a lot of animation, and we also have gotten into some of the newer

446
00:36:52,190 --> 00:37:02,130
technologies with augmented and virtual reality, and those applications certainly are going to

447
00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:03,450
be more in demand in the future.

448
00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:07,130
And we're one of the few companies here in the Coachella Valley that makes it affordable

449
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:14,910
for a lot of businesses, smaller businesses to be able to do those kinds of creative services

450
00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:17,490
at a price that's not going to break their bank.

451
00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:24,350
So, it's important to me to stay here and to the people who are part of the founding

452
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:30,090
of my company to stay here in this area, but we couldn't find, if we found the right

453
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:32,810
building, they didn't have any bandwidth infrastructure.

454
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:37,050
If we found the bandwidth, we couldn't find buildings that weren't going to take a significant

455
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:38,830
amount of money to do tenant improvements.

456
00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:47,170
So working with Seavup and going into the IHUB campus, we found a great turnkey solution that

457
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:51,350
was fully furnished and was able to accommodate our needs

458
00:37:51,350 --> 00:37:54,190
and rather than having to focus on spending

459
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:57,410
a significant salon money on rent

460
00:37:57,410 --> 00:38:01,990
and other critical things to desks to work at

461
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:06,410
and chairs to sit on, we're able to focus that

462
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:09,350
those resources more so right now

463
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:14,230
on developing a business and creating jobs in a decent

464
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:25,950
a pain sector that we hope will not only attract more people to do the kinds of work we do here in the valley,

465
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:34,670
but where we have the opportunity to work with groups like Joe referred to the workforce organizations,

466
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:40,230
now one future CV, we're involved with them and kids who go to the various academies,

467
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:47,190
Here in Jolavalia, especially the data Academy at Cathedral City High School, are able to be

468
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:51,870
in-turning and working with us and us working towards developing jobs, that hopefully when

469
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:56,670
they come out of college, we'll be able to train them the way we like them to do the job

470
00:38:56,670 --> 00:39:01,390
and that we can help to be a resource that stops the brain train from hearing the ballying

471
00:39:01,390 --> 00:39:08,030
and keep people here doing things other than just service jobs.

472
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:16,480
But some of the reasons that I have really found beyond what we initially experienced when

473
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,620
we first got involved with see that have been great for us.

474
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:30,380
We have found a great team of advocates for the things that are important to us like the

475
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:37,460
bandwidth situation, the RIVCO Connect, and we to fully support everything that can be done

476
00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:46,320
the municipalities in this area to make that a reality, but we also have access to a great

477
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,800
team, Joe, Lisa, and others, Ted Daniels, who is an investment coach, a former CEO of his

478
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,760
retired who serves really as a consultant to us to help us work with constantly updating our

479
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:05,200
business plan and making our business potentially more successful we hope. Axe on, as a resource

480
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,880
for us to look to as the early stage business to be able to find funding for the things we need

481
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,180
to do, the capital we need for equipment and to have enough money to roll with the cash flow

482
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:23,420
while we're waiting for our clients to pay the bills. All these things are very important to us

483
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:30,800
in our strategic planning, see that play-to-roll and helping us to revamp our marketing plans.

484
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:41,940
So there's just so many different forms of mentoring that as a member of the I hub community we have been able to benefit from.

485
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:51,060
And there have been moments as there are within a young business where we've seen some pretty dark days and weren't sure that we're going to be around.

486
00:40:51,060 --> 00:41:07,160
But I can tell you that we are still around doing a large part to the support and the encouragement and all around community that has been created as being a part of the I have program.

487
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:20,780
It's extremely important and I support it also from the standpoint of wanting to see more industry, especially the really important industries, the high tech kind of stuff coming into this market.

488
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:40,480
and helping us to grow beyond just health care and the tourism business and I think it's going to be a great future with organizations like this and having the leadership of people like Joe Wallace and Lisa Baudinar and the rest of the team there.

489
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,580
So thank you very much this afternoon for your time.

490
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:45,680
Any questions?

491
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,940
I think the only question I would have is, Joe, how would a local businessman, how would

492
00:41:53,940 --> 00:42:01,000
a local businessman find out about CVEP, if not no one about it, do you market, is there?

493
00:42:01,420 --> 00:42:02,620
We do some marketing.

494
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,420
We do a newsletter every week.

495
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,400
It goes out to about 6,000 email addresses.

496
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,800
we publish papers and articles in the public record we submit

497
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,840
objects to the desert sun and you know sometimes they print

498
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,740
them sometimes they don't you know if there's a slow news day we get in there

499
00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:27,760
but we try to be out there you know I speak it not just the cathedral city chamber

500
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,420
I go to the chambers I go out to the optimist club the the road to

501
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:37,060
Rotarians you know I'm invited there and you know we don't have a billboard because we

502
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:48,160
We're doing everything we can from a gorilla marketing perspective to get out there and make ourselves be known without spending $200,000 on marketing.

503
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Thank you.

504
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,040
You had mentioned angel investors.

505
00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:56,760
How much of that?

506
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,900
How much do you use those?

507
00:42:59,140 --> 00:43:05,680
And do you have a network of investors that you have been able to call on whether in value or out of the valley?

508
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,800
Yes, to all of the above, there's two angel groups who are in the valley.

509
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:12,720
One is exclusive to the valley.

510
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,840
It's called the Coachella Valley Angel Network.

511
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,760
The principles of it are very deep in medical devices.

512
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,980
So when we have medical companies, we can get their business plans in front of them.

513
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:30,700
The tech coast angels, which is the largest dollar volume of angel investors in the United States.

514
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:33,240
They have an office in our building, too.

515
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,220
in their chairman emeritus lives in Palm Springs.

516
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:38,140
He comes over about once a quarter,

517
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,080
and we can actually feel people

518
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,740
into their shark tank type events.

519
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,500
What we can't do is make them right checks.

520
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,240
So they've written checks to one of our companies.

521
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:51,360
Civan hasn't any.

522
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,580
Most of the dollars that have gone into the companies

523
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:58,120
as equity are coming from, I'll say, angels

524
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,420
who are unafiliated.

525
00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:05,720
So, what people of means, who see a business plan and they decide to put in, you know,

526
00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:09,980
we have some that are over a million dollars into companies, we have one that's at 700,000.

527
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:15,880
And, you know, they kind of become a de facto board member whenever you come into a small company

528
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,900
with that kind of money.

529
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:23,800
So, we haven't had a big VC from Silicon Valley come in yet, but we're starting to build that

530
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,200
rapport up there because I'm starting to get invited to speak in the Bay Area on a pretty

531
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,120
regular basis and it's on on the basis of the fact that we are the lowest funded

532
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,200
I have in the state and the highest performing one.

533
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:43,220
I'll go figure out that happens but I think it's a badge of honor.

534
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:47,280
Thank you very much.

535
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:48,920
Appreciate you coming.

536
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,600
Mayor for ready for me to move on mayor.

537
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,720
That's it, that's it.

538
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,980
I'm happy to introduce Tom Kirk. You all know him, who's the director of the Coachella Valley Association of Governments, also with him as Katie Barrows.

539
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:29,980
And I've been working with him as has Councilmember Kaplan on an ad hoc group exploring the opportunities that exist for us to reduce electrical costs for our residents, as well as offer greater options in terms of green energy by using the community.

540
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:34,660
choice aggregate. So Tom is going to give you an update on where we are and where we're going

541
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:38,420
from here and I think Katie all chime in as necessary as well.

542
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:44,540
That's probably sufficient enough of a presentation. That puts it very simply and probably don't

543
00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:49,140
need a whole lot more. We're going to make the update really quick because I know some of you particularly

544
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:55,060
Mr. Kaplan have seen the presentation 7,000 times. We're getting up to speed on with this community

545
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:59,960
choice aggregation means and we're ready really to take the next step as Charlie pointed out.

546
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:08,600
So, very briefly, what our CCA is, do I hit the left one or the right one?

547
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:18,700
They buy electricity and they give your customers your residents, your businesses,

548
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,180
a choice on where to buy that electricity.

549
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:28,240
The way of currently works, somebody called, and something called Southern California,

550
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:38,360
by electricity for us, they deliver it to us, and then they sell it to us, and handle

551
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,980
metering and maintenance in the rest of it. Under a community choice aggregation system,

552
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:54,870
you, the community doesn't, and you, a C-C-C, could mean the city. It could mean two cities,

553
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:58,950
it could mean three cities, it could mean fifty cities, do it together.

554
00:47:00,670 --> 00:47:07,010
Do you completely replace Edison in just that capacity of buying electricity not exactly?

555
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:13,790
Edison still sticks around buying electricity and the customer has a choice.

556
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:24,260
They decide whether to stick with Edison buying electricity or the CCA and they weigh that choice.

557
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:38,900
Under CCA legislation, once we, the city, multiple cities set up a CCA, all of the customers within your boundaries are in the CCA automatically.

558
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:47,690
And during formation, they have four chances to opt out, two before the formation and two after.

559
00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:56,520
And even after they do that, they can get back into the Edison system after one year.

560
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,240
They tell Edison, hey, we don't like the CCA.

561
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:02,220
We want back in having you by our electricity.

562
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:08,360
It takes a year for that to happen, but it can happen and again, your customers, your businesses,

563
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:09,900
how to choice.

564
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,260
And keep in mind, under both systems, Edison is still doing all the billing, all the distribution,

565
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:18,860
all the transmission, all the maintenance.

566
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:25,850
So how many customers opt out, not very many.

567
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:28,950
And you'll hear in a second, CCA has been set up

568
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:31,850
for a number of years in California, most of them

569
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:32,670
in Northern California.

570
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:35,250
And generally, when you set these up,

571
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:36,970
you assume that some number of customers

572
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:40,910
are going to opt out right away, very few do.

573
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:46,370
And the reason for that is every CCA in California

574
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:47,830
is offering a better deal.

575
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:56,610
financially. And for some customers a better deal qualitatively. Customers and CCAs are given

576
00:48:56,610 --> 00:48:59,070
other choices. We'll talk about that briefly.

577
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,840
So what are the benefits? Not a lot of these

578
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,940
have been set up in California, landcasters, done it. We've got a number of them in Northern California,

579
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:16,940
and again all of them are offering essentially lower rates. And that obviously means a lot to us

580
00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:20,260
in this climate zone and with Edison's race.

581
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:22,360
I want to make a point, though.

582
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:23,380
We're talking about lower race.

583
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,560
We're talking about just the generation component

584
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,380
of your race.

585
00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:28,520
And you get your bill.

586
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:34,780
The generation component could be 35, 45% of the total bill.

587
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,460
The distribution, transmission, customer service, public

588
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:43,920
goods charges are common to either approach.

589
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:52,160
Under a CCA, you have the local control and local power over where you buy electricity.

590
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:59,300
Some CCAs do a little more than go out on the market and buy electricity and compete against Edison.

591
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:02,560
Why are they doing better than Edison?

592
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:07,440
They are because the marketplace is flush with power.

593
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,040
And Edison's made a lot of long-term deals.

594
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,620
Every CCA could beat those right now.

595
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:17,020
That doesn't mean that they'll always beat them.

596
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,400
The market could change in 10 years or 20 years,

597
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,260
and we'll talk briefly about that as well.

598
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:25,520
Some CCA say, the important thing for us to do

599
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,940
is not only lower rates,

600
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,380
but we also want to invest in our community.

601
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:32,320
We want to offer additional energy efficiency programs.

602
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:35,600
Some CCA, as I think it was, as it ran

603
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,060
or Sonoma Katie that actually incentivized

604
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:46,640
electric car purchases. Is it marin? So mama. So you decide how to use those revenues

605
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:54,840
and split in some ways the differences between addisons rate and yours. Some CCAs and particularly

606
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,560
those Northern California are making additional investments to reduce greenhouse gases and provide

607
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:08,640
more green power than the state mandate. A CCA has to meet the state standards, but it can do more.

608
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:12,640
And again, green choices are a big part of that.

609
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:18,020
CCAs are often giving their customers multiple choices in their purchasing.

610
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:25,260
Perhaps you, to customer, could be offered an all-local power choice, or all green choice,

611
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,200
or a 75% green choice, there are a number of ways to do this.

612
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:37,860
Let's give you a sense of the rates, and this is a very broad schematic, or at least a very crude one.

613
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,720
To sit at gas in electric, call it 10 cent power, and that's just for the generation.

614
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:48,260
Southern California Edison is the second for the bottom called 7.5 cent power.

615
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:52,960
Lancaster is the only one that we could really compare it easily to Southern California Edison,

616
00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:58,240
and it's offering a substantially lower rate than Edison.

617
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:04,020
That's a big deal in the high desert, be certainly even a bigger deal in this desert.

618
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:14,270
One of the questions I had initially is, boy, is Cathedral City and Palm Springs going

619
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:19,490
to get together and form a power buying business, is there really enough load or power here

620
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:20,290
to do that?

621
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:22,570
Can you compete with the big guys?

622
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:28,610
Can you compete with an Edison or Department of Water Power or San Diego Gas and Electric?

623
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:34,550
And I don't know really what these numbers mean, but look at that last column.

624
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:41,910
If you add up the cities in Southern California, Edison, your revenues and just for purchasing

625
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:48,930
the power, not distribution and transmission, are $181 million of power purchase per year.

626
00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:51,610
This is a big deal.

627
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:54,610
And you see where cathedral city is.

628
00:52:54,610 --> 00:52:57,570
You're a pretty substantial piece of that.

629
00:52:57,710 --> 00:53:06,850
You'd be the third largest generator or a generator and a purchaser of power in the desert cities in Edison country.

630
00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:09,970
We had another slide that didn't really work.

631
00:53:10,210 --> 00:53:11,970
It gives you a sense of how we compete.

632
00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:17,770
They're called 60 municipal electric buyers in the state of California.

633
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,880
Department of Water Power LA is number one, by a long, long shot.

634
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,420
But I think ID is number three, they're in big purchaser as well.

635
00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:37,880
If you all form cathedral city with neighbors, you'd be like number 10 in the state of California.

636
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,640
You'd be a substantial player in these markets.

637
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,600
So why participate competitive rates?

638
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,840
There's not really enough front cost of the city.

639
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,100
There is a front cost, there are, a million to two million dollars.

640
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,200
On some programs that would seem like a lot of money when you're generating a hundred

641
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,820
and eighty million dollars a year, it's a relatively small up front cost that would

642
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:06,320
be paid back in that first year or second year or third year.

643
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,640
We're working on all children with Charlie and others right now on that.

644
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,980
Tom, can I start you there?

645
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,320
So,

646
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:19,800
I had this question flagged earlier because in the staff report,

647
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,920
It does talk.

648
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:25,640
There's a lot of great program and I think we should do it, but it talks about start-up

649
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,340
costs, a repaid and ongoing costs are paid by customers through the utility charges.

650
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:39,640
So, how does that start-up cost really look if I get a bill and I'm married and Joe out

651
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,160
in the community?

652
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,320
What is that really?

653
00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:42,600
What can I expect?

654
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,040
You wouldn't see it in your bill, it's such a ministerial cost, it would be a part of this

655
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,820
start a cost that would be absorbed in the rates.

656
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:58,400
A board would be set up, let's say, made up of one council person from each city, rates would

657
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:07,060
be established for the year based on the total load and what your consultants say could be purchased

658
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:11,720
given that year, six months or five years, and you would set the rates to cover all of

659
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:19,260
cost, one of your cost, a very small line item would be your upfront cost, the consulting fees

660
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:25,040
and the planning fees, and hiring the consultants to buy the power up front. And that's

661
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,600
again in a one to two million dollar range. Does that make sense?

662
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,500
It does. So the customer would not, shouldn't expect, shall I know you know all of this,

663
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:41,700
but shouldn't expect to get a hit on their first bill if he said opt-in. If they just

664
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:48,500
decided to opt out, they will be, if you form a CCA, they will be in the CCA, unless they

665
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:49,100
opt out, sorry.

666
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,760
And if they opt out, they would not be subject to that initial cost.

667
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:55,880
No.

668
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,020
Okay.

669
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,040
Thank you.

670
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:05,060
Notably, one or more of the consultants that thank you, Charlie, for being part of the

671
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:11,680
interview panel, the consultants and power purchasers that Charlie and other and

672
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,080
I think one or more of them said, oh, on that upfront cost,

673
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,660
we'll cover it for you for a while.

674
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,620
And when you hire us really, or when we really ramp up

675
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:28,580
in six months and a year, we'll pay ourselves back.

676
00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:31,320
Well, they'll pay ourselves back with a little bit of interest.

677
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,560
But that is one strategy for doing this.

678
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Frankly, I've asked our finance officer to look at

679
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:45,180
see that money. We don't have a big success in our budget that might be something for cathedral

680
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:51,400
city or Palm Springs or Palm Desert or others to do as well. I get a little better return

681
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,040
on your investment than we currently do under very conservative investment strategies. I think

682
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:04,180
this is a pretty good bet. Again, you set the local ranks. As scariest that might seem, it's

683
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:09,360
rocket science. It has been done a thousand times in this country before. We've done a thousand

684
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,200
times in the future and I think Charlie has a little bit more experience certainly than I do

685
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:20,580
in all of this. There are lots of folks out there that help agencies like a CCA purchase power

686
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:28,140
and structure it so that you're taking advantage of market conditions and balancing that with minimizing

687
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:28,980
risk.

688
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,780
That will quickly, where they form a mostly form northern California. We've got a couple

689
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:41,980
On Southern California, a lot of regional groups are looking at doing this.

690
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,280
It seems to be a perfect time to do it in order to give our customers lower rates.

691
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:54,720
One of the things that intrigued me today is we saw an email today saying one of the things

692
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:01,440
we're going to tell you is if we get started today and tomorrow, we may be able to get ready

693
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,300
for next May to launch really the program.

694
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:06,920
It takes about a year.

695
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,200
And there are a number of reasons to start about that time

696
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:10,520
of year.

697
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,760
One of them is the CalISO, the guys that are moving electricity

698
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,280
around the state of California for most entities,

699
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,380
have too much solar power during the summer.

700
00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:26,490
And it gets pretty cheap that time of year.

701
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:28,890
Wouldn't it be wonderful to buy cheap power

702
00:58:28,890 --> 00:58:31,070
for the desert in the summer?

703
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:34,290
We could be in a great position to do so obviously.

704
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:37,350
So, we got some examples.

705
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:41,150
I'll go briefly through these landcaster,

706
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:43,830
Sonoma, San Mateo.

707
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:46,230
And if you have questions about those,

708
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:47,670
okay, it's much more familiar with them.

709
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:50,370
We did a little field trip up to Northern California

710
00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:52,470
and learned a lot more about these.

711
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:53,970
Where are we today?

712
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:56,490
We finished a feasibility study.

713
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:58,390
You have an ad hoc working group.

714
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:59,730
Thank you, Council Member.

715
00:58:59,730 --> 00:59:01,910
be for being engaged in that.

716
00:59:02,550 --> 00:59:04,390
We work very closely with our colleagues

717
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:08,890
in Western Riverside County on interviewing consultants.

718
00:59:09,310 --> 00:59:12,150
I think we got a very good range of consultants

719
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:14,230
and contractors out there.

720
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:17,510
We think we can establish the JPA soon.

721
00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:20,670
See that we'll be considering the JPA

722
00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:24,630
this joint powers agreement on its executive committee agenda

723
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:28,110
at the end of this month, but that doesn't form the JPA.

724
00:59:28,110 --> 00:59:37,750
The JPA is formed as soon as two C-bag members decide to do it, that could happen in July, that could happen in September, that could happen in November.

725
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:44,010
But we would like to get it going over the next few months in order to take advantage of good market conditions.

726
00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:51,770
We do have to submit plans to Southern California Edison who believe it or not is neutral on the subject.

727
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:56,950
They're not working against CCAs and they're not working for them.

728
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:58,650
They've been very good to work with technically.

729
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:59,610
I could tell you that.

730
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,660
And the PUC essentially says, okay, there's not a lot of review, as long as you cross all the T's and dot all the eyes, and this has been done a number of times already in the state of California.

731
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,800
We do have to arrange for those start-up funds. I wanted $2 million. You work on opt-up out-nosis next year.

732
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:28,300
And you want to, hopefully, may, June of next year, we could be giving your residents and businesses a choice that they don't have.

733
01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:32,710
Let's get started. Any questions?

734
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,080
What has been your reaction from the cities here?

735
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,200
I'm obviously none of the cities that are in IID can participate.

736
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,100
So it's for the most, it's a question of Washington.

737
01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:56,480
It is. And the city of life, generally positive.

738
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,100
And I think the reaction has been the same one I've had.

739
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:02,900
And that is, I've heard about this a year ago.

740
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:05,120
and was cautious.

741
01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:08,960
It sounded kind of too good to be true and there had to be risk.

742
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:10,720
There had to be considerations.

743
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:16,380
And after spending some time with colleagues in Southern California and San Diego,

744
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:22,600
it seems that everybody's jumping into this ship because it does give our customers choice.

745
01:01:23,460 --> 01:01:28,760
There isn't much risk unless we all decide to go out and build a nuclear power plant.

746
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:36,880
or buy capital assets. As long as you engage just in the market place, there's not a lot of risk.

747
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:42,520
If you start doing long-term capital purchases, there's risk. There may also be a reward.

748
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,040
Talk to ID about that. They're doing quite well by investing in capital facilities.

749
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:53,160
So I think there's a learning curve here. It's one reason Katie. Thank you very much.

750
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,960
set up the study sessions, I think those that have spent a little bit of time on the subject,

751
01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:02,740
and I don't want to speak on behalf of all of the committee members, Mr. Kaplan, but I think

752
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,520
there's generally very positive about the prospects of doing so.

753
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:14,720
The city of Blife is saying, hold on, we've got really important issues to deal with, which

754
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,600
is an unusual and the city of Blife. They don't want to complicate their agenda right now.

755
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,300
I think Palm Springs is pretty engaged.

756
01:02:23,980 --> 01:02:26,420
Palm Desert certainly wants more technical information.

757
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,740
Desert hot springs seems engaged.

758
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:31,820
But again, they've got some pre-substantial

759
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:34,380
other issues that seem to be higher priority.

760
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,840
But I think there's a general interest in the Western

761
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,540
Coachella Valley.

762
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,500
Is that...

763
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:39,300
That's my sense.

764
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,680
You're missing one.

765
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:42,000
Oh, actually.

766
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:47,000
There might be something missing my brain on the subject.

767
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,500
A rancher Mirage, and by the way, the county of Riverside as well, a rancher Mirage has

768
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:57,300
decided to do their own thing at first they contacted good energy and to set up

769
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:58,840
perhaps their own CCA.

770
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,960
Now I think they're exploring working with Lancaster.

771
01:03:02,380 --> 01:03:03,840
It's that latest, we're here.

772
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:12,280
And the county of Riverside opted not to join the WR-Cog C-Vag effort and are doing their

773
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,700
own thing with a company called Good Energy, but it's not clear how far they're going

774
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,780
there's not a lot of Southern California Edison

775
01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:26,720
load in unincorporated area in the Coachella Valley.

776
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,460
So they're not a big plight right here.

777
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,740
I have another question, maybe it'll come back.

778
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:36,700
Shall we do one?

779
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,920
And you could understand my mental block on that one.

780
01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:39,840
Completely.

781
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,280
I obviously don't have any questions.

782
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:49,140
Because I think this is a great opportunity.

783
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:59,280
I spent my career in higher education and administration on the East Coast and I was actually

784
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:10,640
chair of the Boston Edison customer committee that worked with Boston Edison when they

785
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:16,400
said it to deregulate, they really got out of the generation business back in the late

786
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,200
80s and early 90s.

787
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:27,280
And on our college campus we actually started purchasing our own utilities directly using consultants

788
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:33,500
who obviously knew what they were doing and locking into various rates which saved us

789
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:39,940
a significant amount of money over the years in terms of the purchase of the actual utility.

790
01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:46,940
And so I think this has a good opportunity, my general sense, from the committee, so far as that

791
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,980
number of the cities are interested in it, and I think this provides an opportunity for

792
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:59,960
the residents for a different way to purchase their power without really seeing any different

793
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:07,100
potential for lower rates, and probably most importantly, the potential for purchasing more green energy

794
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:12,280
than they're purchasing now at lower rates than they can purchase it.

795
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:19,940
So my question that I forgot and had to do with City of Bany, they have their own power

796
01:05:19,940 --> 01:05:20,520
utility.

797
01:05:21,060 --> 01:05:24,580
How did they fit into the WR cog model or do they?

798
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:25,920
They don't.

799
01:05:26,860 --> 01:05:29,980
Much like ID or the City of Riverside, I believe.

800
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,000
They are already a municipal utility essentially.

801
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:42,000
So this only applies outside of the IEDs and the bannings and city of Riverside's.

802
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:50,020
And one advantage we may have is by being next door to an IED.

803
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:56,180
And one of the things that, as the committee knows, we took advantage of early on.

804
01:05:56,260 --> 01:06:02,560
We have a consultant that works both for IED and the Coachella Valley cities within the medicine territory.

805
01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:14,920
There may be some opportunities to develop solar or wind or something else or geothermal with ID and partnership with ID in the future.

806
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:20,680
I don't think that's something in the first year of horizon or maybe not even in the first five, but maybe in the first ten.

807
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,600
And with it, let me ask, our sphere of influence runs almost

808
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,780
and washing to north of my tent, so it takes it all

809
01:06:27,780 --> 01:06:33,060
of a thousand poms in the event that annexation took place sometime

810
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:34,140
in the near future.

811
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:42,540
How would this affect a community that has one third of it in IID

812
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:45,320
and two thirds of it in Edison territory?

813
01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:53,620
I honestly don't know, but I'm assuming, like, other services, they would be given the same

814
01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:56,580
services and opportunities within the city of Cathedral City.

815
01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:02,120
I've got to assume that in this case, because they're already out of the town, actually,

816
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:06,920
actually, thousands of homes, some of those ideas, and they would not be available, they

817
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,120
could not take advantage of this, whether they're in your city or within the county of

818
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:19,340
side so that that would be unchanged. However, in the other way around Cathedral City could then

819
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:25,820
petition to annex into IIT territory because our boundaries would touch. My understanding, I don't know

820
01:07:25,820 --> 01:07:32,620
that for sure. The entire city of Cathedral City. If that was the case, I do it right now because

821
01:07:32,620 --> 01:07:38,620
that would be motivation enough to annex, but I'm not sure about that either. I'm just asking

822
01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:42,200
more questions so there could be more dialogue by our staff and you're as we go

823
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,800
forward on all these sexy questions. That's an interesting one and I'm

824
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,540
assuming that isn't the case because if it was a lot of cities would have

825
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,780
annexed a long time ago, it's just to take advantage of the idea of power rates.

826
01:07:58,750 --> 01:08:02,450
It's out there, so. Yeah, so whether you're the best of luck and do some more

827
01:08:02,450 --> 01:08:07,390
investigation. Any other questions? All right. Thank you. Thank you.

828
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:12,310
Is your staff handling the homelessness staff report?

829
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:13,870
Yeah, it is.

830
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:17,570
I mean, if that's okay, we can take that first, so you don't have to.

831
01:08:20,770 --> 01:08:24,210
Mayor, and Mayor pretend members of the Council, I just wanted to add on this.

832
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:28,590
We have, there's a draft, JPA that CVEG has prepared.

833
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:34,410
We have sent it to the Attorney's Office to start the process of reviewing that.

834
01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:39,770
And so, you know, the next step, in addition to working through some of the questions that

835
01:08:39,770 --> 01:08:45,190
we're here would be to bring forward the JPA for consideration, assuming there are other

836
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:47,950
cities that are also pursuing that.

837
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:50,900
Hang on a minute.

838
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:57,960
On the electricity, I want to make sure that there was anyone in the audience that had a question.

839
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:11,020
So during the study session regarding the CCA and the

840
01:09:11,020 --> 01:09:19,400
CCA considering forming a CCA, I would like for you all to please consider reading the

841
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:25,420
desert article about Rancho Mirage and why they've decided not to go the C-Vag route

842
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:27,780
regarding the CCA.

843
01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:35,200
And if they're looking to pair up with Lancaster, I would like, all I would like you to

844
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:43,980
do is to look into the rates that they're proposing because when ZVAC did their feasibility

845
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:51,500
study, I think they found they can cut costs by, was it three points, something, 3.5,

846
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:57,060
3.7, but when Rancho Mirage did a feasibility study, they could, they found they could

847
01:09:57,060 --> 01:10:03,880
rates for 5%. So my message to you would be, if you're going to form a CCA, could we look

848
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:10,340
to Ranch and Raj, other cities, do we have to go through CVAR? And that's my question, and

849
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:17,180
just from the history in the last four years, five years that I've seen a CVAR and Cathedral

850
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:24,180
City, you know, there's a former council member who said he's found CVAR to be an ineffectual

851
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:30,060
organization when it comes to the means of Cathedral City. So I would really like you to have

852
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:36,300
the backs of the residents of Cathedral City if we're going to be forming a CCA and really

853
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:42,220
do the homework. Also, I don't know how much time I have left, I can't see. But San Bernardino

854
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:51,480
County, they have rejected the CCA at this time. And when the presentation on the CCA, they didn't

855
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:59,020
to why San Bernardino at this time chose not to go forward with it. So I will be sending you messages.

856
01:10:59,580 --> 01:11:05,060
You just have to go on YouTube and you just type in San Bernardino community choice aggregation.

857
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:15,460
And you can see a lot of residents coming out and seeing expressing things that I can't express right now as to why this all has to do with

858
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:16,580
It's the structure of government.

859
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,460
They're essentially proposing a JPA adjoint powers of authority,

860
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,240
which is another layer of government.

861
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:27,300
So how are you really communicating this to the residents?

862
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:30,440
Like, hey, we're creating another layer of government.

863
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:34,160
And also, we're automatically going to be opted in.

864
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:36,480
Why can't we have the choice to opt in?

865
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,120
You're automatically going to put us in.

866
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:43,960
And then if we choose to opt out, we have to pay exit fees.

867
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:49,400
I don't know how often, and I think they said San Bernardino in San Bernardino County.

868
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,760
I don't know how it would compare to here, but they're starting up cost for $200 million.

869
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,720
So if you could look into that, those numbers exactly, and that's it for right now.

870
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:59,060
Thank you.

871
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:00,280
Thank you, Rosario.

872
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:08,620
Obviously, when this gets put on our agenda for action, we can have some of those answers.

873
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,660
Absolutely, Mayor Perchettman.

874
01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:21,860
One thing I'd like to point out that CVEG is facilitating the start-up of this, the CCA, if it forms, will not be CVEG.

875
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:33,620
We may purchase some services from them, but it will be whatever cities joined together in the JPA, and CVEG won't be the ones running the CCA.

876
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:39,520
They're facilitating us getting started because it's a regional issue, and it seemed appropriate for them to do that.

877
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,520
So I want to make sure that's clear as well.

878
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,760
It would be more similar to Erica, then.

879
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:44,420
Absolutely.

880
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:44,900
Yeah.

881
01:12:44,940 --> 01:12:45,740
That's a good comparison.

882
01:12:48,620 --> 01:12:49,460
Anyone else?

883
01:12:50,380 --> 01:12:50,900
Come on, Valerie.

884
01:13:00,210 --> 01:13:02,130
Hi, Council members.

885
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:07,450
My question is actually directed to currently

886
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:12,810
So Caledicin has a care program for seniors, low income people.

887
01:13:12,810 --> 01:13:19,690
We have our fair share in Cathedral City, and my question would be, is that going to transfer

888
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:22,150
to anything else we do?

889
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:23,790
Thank you.

890
01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:33,090
Katie, kick me if I'm wrong, but none of those programs are changed under this approach.

891
01:13:33,370 --> 01:13:39,890
So all the public benefit type programs, seniors, low-income, et cetera, will remain regardless

892
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:45,610
of whether you are taking your power from the CCA or Southern California out of

893
01:13:45,610 --> 01:13:51,430
the Senate and let me repeat what Charlie indicated at his CVAC doesn't have a dog

894
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:57,210
in this fight. We are a facilitator long, long ago I believe CVAC formed some line

895
01:13:57,210 --> 01:14:03,710
transit or the regional agency and one two or more of our cities or members want to do

896
01:14:03,710 --> 01:14:09,450
something we try to facilitate it and we look forward to helping you do so. Whether you go

897
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:13,870
with Lancaster, do it your own, join Palm Springs and Palm Desert.

898
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:15,850
We don't have a particular stake.

899
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:18,590
We want the right thing for you and your residents and businesses.

900
01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:23,210
And then, thank you.

901
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:26,890
I don't know whether it would be patterned Charlie or DeGena,

902
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:35,030
but maybe Rosario could send whatever information she has over that can be distributed to the council to review.

903
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:39,430
All right.

904
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:40,310
I

905
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:54,340
want to thank Rosario and all these others that really are doing their due diligence and researching because that's our job.

906
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,020
We vote you guys in but it's really up to us to help you do your job.

907
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:59,980
So I want to thank Rosario.

908
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,000
All those others that are bringing these to our attention so that we can do our own research. Thank

909
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:09,340
you.

910
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,980
Okay, Charlie, you want to leave us into this?

911
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:27,360
Mayor Protem, I will, homeless, and councilman kind of all I actually requested that this be put on the agenda, so that he could get some feedback from the full council, because he'll be asked to make a vote on the homelessness committee next week.

912
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,500
and ultimately Mayor Henry will, as well, have to take a position at the executive committee

913
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:33,300
when this comes forward.

914
01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:37,760
And I'll introduce it the best way I can.

915
01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:41,780
I've just learned a lot about this recently, Councilor Connevali, probably knows more

916
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:45,940
than I do, and I'll let him speak to that in a minute.

917
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:54,180
But as you know, the Roy's Desert Resource Center, which was the Coachella Valley Emergency

918
01:15:54,180 --> 01:15:58,220
shelter for the homeless is closing at the end of this month I believe.

919
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:06,920
And the Homelessness Committee at CVEG has been working to solicit proposals from agencies

920
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:11,460
to provide homeless services of some sort to replace that.

921
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:18,340
And I think it was sort of an open request to see what kind of things were out there.

922
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:24,020
A proposal was received from a group called Pathways of Life Ministry, and I believe one

923
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:32,460
their representatives is here today, yes, I forgot your name, Damian, and he presented this

924
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:36,060
to the technical advisory committee the other day as well.

925
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,900
Basically, I'm not going to

926
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:47,030
go through the whole discussion of what it is. There's a presentation in your packet, but it

927
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:54,490
of decentralizes emergency shelter services to a bunch of smaller facilities in the West Valley.

928
01:16:56,870 --> 01:17:03,970
And then, persons who check into the emergency shelter are assigned a case worker and

929
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:10,690
the idea is to the next step to move up to more long-term housing options, which they would

930
01:17:10,690 --> 01:17:13,190
lease under their name and initially with a rent subsidy.

931
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:19,270
Basically, the cost of this would be covered by contribution from Riverside County, which

932
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:25,130
they've committed to just recently at $375,000, and then the five cities, which is Palm

933
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:33,070
Desert, Rancho Mirage, Desert Hot Springs, Cathedral City, and Palm Springs, meeting

934
01:17:33,070 --> 01:17:36,670
up the difference each for about a $100,000 contribution.

935
01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:43,570
And so, I think there was a lot of misunderstanding at first, and that caused some alarm amongst

936
01:17:43,570 --> 01:17:47,250
some people concerned that these are going to be group homes, which is not the case,

937
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:49,030
and some things like that.

938
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:54,650
So I felt much more comfortable with the program after hearing the presentation about it

939
01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:56,950
on Monday.

940
01:17:57,310 --> 01:18:02,350
But Mr. Carnival, I can't smell Carnival, I would like some feedback from all of you, and

941
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:04,910
perhaps you have some additional insight you would like to.

942
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:13,030
Pretty much Charlie, you mentioned everything that I think is very important with this with the homeless situation we have in the West Valley.

943
01:18:13,730 --> 01:18:20,770
And what I like about the path of life, it takes a kind of a different unique turn at homelessness.

944
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:24,910
And if David, would you like to come up to the...

945
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:27,190
Oh, you'll be my guest time.

946
01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:31,210
And I want to take more than a minute, again, Tom Kurt, a C-bag.

947
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:36,130
And there are some of you here that I know, again, the subject better than both Charlie

948
01:18:36,130 --> 01:18:37,050
and I can bind.

949
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:41,490
And thank you for your participation on the Homeless Committee, Mr. Aguilar, and Mr. Kind of

950
01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:42,170
all day.

951
01:18:42,490 --> 01:18:45,250
With respect to this, it's kind of an exciting time in the program.

952
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:51,570
We've been lamenting in some ways the closure of Roy is one we should be rejoicing in it.

953
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:58,810
And Roy is was a wonderful facility that helped 6,000 people over the last five years.

954
01:18:59,450 --> 01:19:06,330
And I'm sure some of those people would love to be here and thank you for your financial contribution and your support of the program.

955
01:19:07,150 --> 01:19:09,150
And it was in the wrong place.

956
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:13,630
It just is a bad location for that type of service.

957
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:15,090
And we struggled with it.

958
01:19:15,150 --> 01:19:19,870
We spent $300,000 a year on transportation alone at Roy's.

959
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:21,110
That's a lot of money.

960
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:28,750
And we knew the county was going to be cutting back emergency bed subsidies, and we had to make a choice

961
01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:36,490
and so did Jewish family services, doors closed at the end of the month, and every person at Royce will have either found

962
01:19:36,490 --> 01:19:41,870
permanent transitional or in just one or two cases, other emergency housing.

963
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:47,750
It's been a real success, and part of that success has been half of life,

964
01:19:47,750 --> 01:20:03,550
who is not under contract with CVAC yet, but is already working in the county with some support from the county of Riverside and private the private sector, and help us and the county move people out of the world and do what they plan on doing under this program.

965
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:10,710
In your study session pack, and I believe you have their presentation that they've given to the homeless committee.

966
01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:14,630
Damien O'Farell, there are chief executive officers here.

967
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:18,030
He's done a fantastic job explaining the program.

968
01:20:18,910 --> 01:20:26,170
And one way to think about it is we don't want to build barracks to put people in for two days,

969
01:20:26,210 --> 01:20:28,830
four days, twenty days or two hundred days.

970
01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:32,990
We want to keep them out of shelters in the first place.

971
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:39,870
We want to put them into services and to a supportive environment where they can go back

972
01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:44,970
having productive members of this society and do things on their own.

973
01:20:45,370 --> 01:20:51,290
And that's a model that's being employed statewide and nationally, and we want to follow

974
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:56,350
that model and want your investment in the homeless program to go towards that kind of

975
01:20:56,350 --> 01:20:56,790
model.

976
01:20:57,410 --> 01:21:00,870
With that, if you want to have Damian go through the presentation, you can.

977
01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:05,430
But Damian O'Farell, please come on up and please address the questions that I certainly

978
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:05,670
can.

979
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:09,830
Hi, David.

980
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:11,830
Thanks for coming in tonight.

981
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:17,530
I think what I like you to explain to the Council here and the residents and everybody who's

982
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:22,250
watched on TV right now, they have a fear that these are going to be housing in their

983
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:22,730
neighborhoods.

984
01:21:23,410 --> 01:21:29,010
And I like you to explain what we're putting out with your contract, how this process

985
01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:34,430
is working, and how it works as far as going out in the field, finding the homeless helping

986
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:42,450
them a emergency location that they're just a whole process of how they're taking care of

987
01:21:42,450 --> 01:21:46,110
and then moved on to permit a housing. So if you'd like to just take it from me out

988
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:52,450
appreciate it. Absolutely. Can we turn this on? The site presentation I can go through a couple

989
01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:54,910
of the most most pertinent slides to answer those questions.

990
01:21:57,690 --> 01:21:59,830
It's in a PDF but you should still

991
01:21:59,830 --> 01:22:07,910
that works perfectly. So, one thing to notice, that path of life, it houses as over 115 different

992
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:13,730
step-stice units in which we've moved individuals from homeless situations into housing situations.

993
01:22:14,370 --> 01:22:16,810
Other owned, leases in their own name.

994
01:22:17,050 --> 01:22:18,490
Yeah, there he goes.

995
01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:19,290
Which one?

996
01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:24,690
That one? Okay. Leases in their own name, using private market homes.

997
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:27,530
And these homes are like any other homes in neighborhoods.

998
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:32,590
their neighbors just like anybody else. You drive by them, you know your neighbor, you don't

999
01:22:32,590 --> 01:22:36,630
suspect that person was formally homeless because they're in a longer homeless. They're now

1000
01:22:36,630 --> 01:22:41,990
in housing. Everything that we do is geared towards that, helping somebody exit a homeless situation

1001
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:48,070
and read self-sufficiency and have the highest quality of life possible for them. One of those

1002
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:52,670
placements, these are the placements in the East County here. One of those placements happens to be

1003
01:22:53,230 --> 01:22:56,670
and cathedral city, yet you wouldn't know it.

1004
01:22:59,140 --> 01:23:00,840
Skip down to,

1005
01:23:06,170 --> 01:23:10,550
well, I don't have the slide that should show some of the homes that we, well, I guess I do.

1006
01:23:11,730 --> 01:23:13,850
There we go. Just a couple pictures.

1007
01:23:14,610 --> 01:23:18,010
You can't see the entire home, but again, these are not group homes.

1008
01:23:18,130 --> 01:23:21,930
These are not situations that are burdened on neighborhoods.

1009
01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:27,750
These are just neighbors with an address instead of without an address.

1010
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:36,930
our program that we proposed focuses in three areas. Prevention, diversion, and crisis stabilization,

1011
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:41,650
and I'll walk through each of those very quickly. Prevention involves outreach,

1012
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:46,770
and not what typically people understand is outreach, which is sometimes historically outreach

1013
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:49,630
has been going out with water bottles and blankets and those sorts of things.

1014
01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:55,050
And though we may do that for an initial encounter, our entire goal is to help the person in that homeless situation

1015
01:23:55,050 --> 01:23:58,330
to make the choice to get out of that homeless situation and off the street.

1016
01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:04,270
So we really focus on intervention of homeless situations, or than simply outreach, and

1017
01:24:04,270 --> 01:24:08,870
our outreach teams, we do have three of them currently operating throughout the county.

1018
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:14,510
They focus on everything from the street, initial contact, up to leasing if that individual

1019
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:18,430
is going into a home of their own through one of our housing programs, or another housing

1020
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:23,630
program throughout the county, or if they need bridge housing, which often they do, which

1021
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:28,650
some sort of an emergency housing situation, our outreach team gets them to that situation.

1022
01:24:29,190 --> 01:24:33,170
The problem with typical bird housing, which has been mentioned, is that in a very

1023
01:24:33,170 --> 01:24:38,530
situation where you may be sharing space with 50 or more people, there are many individuals

1024
01:24:38,530 --> 01:24:44,250
that have been on the street for quite a long period of time that cannot mentally make it

1025
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:48,790
in that sort of situation, so they refuse that service and they become known as service

1026
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:54,890
resistance, however, if they're able to get into a place that's more private, that's more

1027
01:24:54,890 --> 01:25:01,070
like a house, a temporary house, we find that they take that service up and then they begin

1028
01:25:01,070 --> 01:25:03,490
to have the mental and emotional margin to move forward.

1029
01:25:04,190 --> 01:25:06,510
So our outreach focuses on getting them to that point.

1030
01:25:06,670 --> 01:25:12,990
We also have a hotline available in which individuals that are trying to help somebody or

1031
01:25:12,990 --> 01:25:15,890
the individuals in a homeless situation themselves can call.

1032
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:22,030
They can get the resources they need, they can get our outreach intervention team out to them right away

1033
01:25:22,030 --> 01:25:25,570
For those that are risk of becoming homeless, but are still in their home

1034
01:25:25,570 --> 01:25:30,590
We have rental assistance built into this proposal and of course through our office

1035
01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:34,850
Sites and through our hotline we have referrals available

1036
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:39,130
Which we've been doing for quite a long period of time

1037
01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:43,790
Our diverse and so that's prevention diversion is really about getting somebody

1038
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:51,670
not having to force them through a shelter system but getting them into the fair market housing as quickly as possible.

1039
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:55,710
And then it involves housing counseling that in people know what their options are.

1040
01:25:55,970 --> 01:25:58,350
There are those on the street that do have incomes.

1041
01:25:58,930 --> 01:26:04,950
They simply do not have the wherewithal to manage the or navigate the housing system to find the housing.

1042
01:26:05,150 --> 01:26:07,870
They need and or the life skills then to sustain that housing.

1043
01:26:08,130 --> 01:26:12,790
And so our goal is for those that have that resource help them use that resource well.

1044
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:18,990
That's the housing counseling piece and also that combines with rapid rehousing, which is, again,

1045
01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:21,790
moving somebody as quickly as possible, even from the street.

1046
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:27,750
And over 200 placements that we had this last year, the majority of those were from the street

1047
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:31,150
into housing of their own, with leases in their own name.

1048
01:26:31,190 --> 01:26:34,770
And these are working with people that have been on the street 15 up to 31 years.

1049
01:26:35,050 --> 01:26:37,450
And so we have seen that it works.

1050
01:26:37,450 --> 01:26:45,150
National average for this type of housing, this type of approach is at 86% success and retention rate.

1051
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:49,870
We're working at about a 96% retention and success rate.

1052
01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:53,210
Right now, over time, we'll see how that goes.

1053
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:58,450
We hope to keep that up over 90%, but we are seeing that it's very, very effective.

1054
01:26:59,230 --> 01:27:05,970
So this program has that type of housing built into it as well as leverage as other housing programs throughout the county,

1055
01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:11,430
because we are very, very well connected and integrated with the continuum of care throughout

1056
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:16,630
the county, the oversight and working closely with other resource providers, both in the East

1057
01:27:16,630 --> 01:27:17,830
County and West County.

1058
01:27:18,670 --> 01:27:21,950
Once we find a home for somebody, we don't just leave them there.

1059
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:27,850
We work with them until they're at the place that they are self-sufficient and can manage

1060
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:30,190
that household on their own.

1061
01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:34,690
Sometimes that means just bringing along our navigators, sometimes that includes bringing

1062
01:27:34,690 --> 01:27:40,150
long our behavioral health program and our employment program, often, it means bringing alongside

1063
01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:45,650
individuals from our employment program to help somebody find a self-sufficiency income

1064
01:27:45,650 --> 01:27:46,430
that they need.

1065
01:27:46,990 --> 01:27:52,310
The last piece of what we've proposed includes crisis stabilization housing, and this

1066
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:59,890
is probably the area that it was in the request to provide some form of emergency housing

1067
01:27:59,890 --> 01:28:05,970
for individuals that wasn't a barracks style emergency housing, because not only is it that type

1068
01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:13,290
of emergency housing very expensive, it very prohibited for many people who have been

1069
01:28:13,290 --> 01:28:16,870
homeless for a very long period of time and so people fall through the cracks and remain

1070
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:22,530
on the street. But then also it concentrates a large number of people that are trying to exit

1071
01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:29,390
a homeless situation in one place. And so the original request asked for something new and what

1072
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:36,590
provided is crisis stabilization that does involve emergency housing, that we would have

1073
01:28:36,590 --> 01:28:41,650
master least in our, in our name, half of life's name. We would have a contract with those

1074
01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:47,790
that state temporarily in that emergency housing, our average in the shelters about 75

1075
01:28:47,790 --> 01:28:55,730
days that somebody would stay. So we, we project that the stay would be somewhere between 30 and 90

1076
01:28:55,730 --> 01:29:00,490
days for the individuals in that housing, and the housing would look like 12 scattered

1077
01:29:00,490 --> 01:29:06,790
site homes throughout several different cities, not concentrating in any one neighborhood

1078
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:14,150
and not group homes, but this would be a combination of mostly either studio or most likely

1079
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:21,870
one bedroom units in this area, so three one bedroom units in an area and a family unit in

1080
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:28,210
area, not the same neighborhood, but the same municipality for those four units to make sure

1081
01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:30,270
we have space for both families and individuals.

1082
01:29:31,530 --> 01:29:36,610
And our staff would be making daily visits for those individuals to ensure the safety

1083
01:29:36,610 --> 01:29:43,210
of the area, their own personal safety, the well-being of the property, so on and so forth.

1084
01:29:43,330 --> 01:29:47,110
While they are working with them, taking them to the appointments that they need in order

1085
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:52,430
to get into a more permanent and stable housing for themselves, so they're family.

1086
01:29:52,750 --> 01:29:54,190
So that's the general overview.

1087
01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:56,150
Happy to answer any other questions that I can answer.

1088
01:29:56,190 --> 01:29:59,850
I think one question I have is, how do you...

1089
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:15,080
To call if I summoned to take one of these housing. There are some homeless people out there by choice. Some are out there because of bad luck. How would you differentiate from the one who's having bad luck versus happy out there and maybe just want to hang out?

1090
01:30:15,540 --> 01:30:17,100
Sure, it's a lesson for a month or two.

1091
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:27,040
We have a series of assessments. Really, the intervention component starts with conversation and building trust with somebody and that takes a couple interactions.

1092
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:31,900
usually to just get somebody to begin to talk and open up, and as soon as our intervention

1093
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:37,300
team can approach the subject with somebody, they let them know that there may be some

1094
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:42,060
housing options available. If you want them, it's just a gauge interest, and if somebody's

1095
01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:48,500
interested, then we have a series of assessments that our team uses. One of which is the acronym

1096
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:53,920
is the B.I. Spadat, which is the vulnerability index. I should ask my housing director. I can never

1097
01:30:53,920 --> 01:31:00,120
the full acronym, but it's a shared, it's actually best practice throughout the nation that

1098
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:06,100
identifies somebody's point of vulnerability and helps us identify how successful they would

1099
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:12,080
be in what type of housing. And so one, we're able to use that assessment to put them into the county

1100
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:18,200
wide what's called coordinated entry system for many different types of housing. And if it makes sense

1101
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:23,900
for them to use one of these emergency houses based on that assessment or housing assessment or

1102
01:31:23,900 --> 01:31:27,920
than we would use these resources in this program.

1103
01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:37,580
So, the beauty of that is this is creating a gap in the current system that we believe will help move more individuals off the street,

1104
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,520
out of homeless situations in this area.

1105
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:46,140
Two, it's leveraging what's already existing both within our agency and within other agencies throughout the county.

1106
01:31:46,780 --> 01:31:47,560
Thank you.

1107
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:59,980
I do thank you by the way, very familiar through my employment of what you guys do and you do a really great job at it.

1108
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:01,880
So, thank you.

1109
01:32:02,380 --> 01:32:09,660
But I have a couple questions, but I must be confused because the 12 scattered sight homes that you're talking about are not,

1110
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:14,160
are in addition to the three emergency shelter locations that we've heard discussions around.

1111
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:20,100
So these are what the new form of emergency self-delocations.

1112
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,820
So we've gone from three potential sites to 12 potential sites?

1113
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:28,200
Yes, but we're not group sites.

1114
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:35,980
And so instead of having many individuals in one location in three different cities,

1115
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,140
you're having one individual in one home that we're personally working with,

1116
01:32:41,140 --> 01:32:46,560
we're using that home simply as bridge housing until we get them into more permanent housing

1117
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:47,560
in a situation.

1118
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:53,280
I understand it, but that still means that you have, you know, at least real estate cost,

1119
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,600
you know, operating subsidy requirements for 12 sites now.

1120
01:32:57,460 --> 01:33:01,640
That might be ultimately less expensive than maybe three sites, but, yes.

1121
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:07,040
So I've been slightly disconnected from this recently and so, you know, I miss that piece.

1122
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:15,780
But in general, can you give me a sense of the total budget that you're looking at for the West Valley Navigation Plan?

1123
01:33:16,020 --> 01:33:23,880
How much of that is going to go into service delivery versus operating in sub-city costs for a real estate to house these folks?

1124
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:33,980
You know, I don't, I'll set up my head. I don't have that number. I know that the total budget, I would have to pull up the breakdown which I can do.

1125
01:33:33,980 --> 01:33:37,920
can give to you even within a few minutes here if I'm able to get online and pull up our

1126
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:38,280
budget.

1127
01:33:39,260 --> 01:33:40,300
Yeah, I'd like to know that.

1128
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:44,440
I think it'd be important to know what that number is.

1129
01:33:45,140 --> 01:33:49,400
And with Councilman Braggular, I can't read the exact number but it was in the 800 and something

1130
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,680
1000 range was for the whole program.

1131
01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:54,340
The whole program.

1132
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,020
We did get to you in a minute, Bob.

1133
01:34:02,700 --> 01:34:03,540
Okay, that'd be great.

1134
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:04,220
Thank you, Tom.

1135
01:34:04,220 --> 01:34:12,380
And then my last question is, in the Staff Report, it talks about the Mark I think maybe

1136
01:34:12,380 --> 01:34:14,440
you can help me understand this better.

1137
01:34:14,740 --> 01:34:20,540
It talks about 51,500 in CDBG funds.

1138
01:34:23,940 --> 01:34:32,480
Is that our total request because I thought we had talked at the homeless committee that I recall

1139
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:35,520
about a contribution of over 100,000.

1140
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:36,560
103,000.

1141
01:34:36,740 --> 01:34:36,900
Yeah.

1142
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:37,700
103,000.

1143
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,940
So we haven't committed the other 51,000 yet.

1144
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:41,680
Yeah.

1145
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,700
Mayor Protem and members of the Council.

1146
01:34:45,620 --> 01:34:50,360
And I probably told Council and Recount of all the wrong thing when we first met on this,

1147
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:57,180
because I was thinking back to the budget and recalled that we had decided to put the other 50,000 out of the general fund in there.

1148
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:58,700
We went back and looked at the meeting.

1149
01:34:58,700 --> 01:35:05,260
And what you actually did was said, once we have a program that comes forward, then will

1150
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:08,840
take the steps necessary to put that other in there.

1151
01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:17,440
So when this comes to fruition and we opt in into the program with all the other cities,

1152
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,720
we will contribute our community development, block grant money, and this appears to be a program

1153
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,820
that would be eligible for that, because it is a 501c3, and it is serving low and moderate

1154
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:31,000
and come people, and then we would have to do a budget amendment to ask you.

1155
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:31,600
We're there.

1156
01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:32,280
We're there.

1157
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:32,980
I believe so.

1158
01:35:32,980 --> 01:35:36,720
I thought we were there a few months ago when we had through the budgets, but evidently

1159
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:38,320
it wasn't formalized.

1160
01:35:38,380 --> 01:35:38,900
I think it was.

1161
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,020
So we talked about it a number of times.

1162
01:35:41,740 --> 01:35:44,120
I never took the action yet to do it.

1163
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,000
And I took it as we did take the action.

1164
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:47,860
So I went ahead and actually committed to it.

1165
01:35:48,220 --> 01:35:52,940
But I think the other cities, at least at the meeting that I attended, and we were both there.

1166
01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:55,780
I think all the other cities that also stepped up at the higher level.

1167
01:35:55,780 --> 01:36:01,520
that they are. The five cities that I mentioned and of course some of them still have to

1168
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:06,020
formally act on it but all appear to be in for around 100,000 each and then Riverside County

1169
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:13,180
at 375 and then that gives you the 875,000 dollars. Okay, cool. And then we last, excuse me.

1170
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:19,420
John, are just so we all understand it. Are other half of that would have to come out of reserves.

1171
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:23,260
All right. That's correct. We'd have to bring forward a budget amendment on that and I think that was

1172
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:25,760
the understanding really when we discuss this.

1173
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:27,140
Thank you.

1174
01:36:27,380 --> 01:36:28,220
Great for reminding me of that.

1175
01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:30,320
But we're going to be generating additional revenue.

1176
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,660
They should write from all the member want to tax it.

1177
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:34,600
That's what he should be there.

1178
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,860
And then my last last question actually is that one of the questions that was raised at the

1179
01:36:39,860 --> 01:36:47,900
homelessness committee meeting that I attended was, was the ability to make direct referrals to the,

1180
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:50,980
what is now the Roy's repurpose behavioral health center.

1181
01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:55,560
and at the time, and maybe that question has been answered subsequently, that direct referrals

1182
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:00,820
were not allowed, they had to go through. It's time still how I can't see behind it if

1183
01:37:00,820 --> 01:37:06,900
you still hear or not, but direct referrals were not going to be provided for, and there

1184
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:14,470
were some concern about that. Is there been any more discussion around that? Is that still my

1185
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:19,630
recollections the same as yours? There are not direct referrals, however, that directer was

1186
01:37:19,630 --> 01:37:26,350
mental health came and said, you made a number of changes to allow more direct access to

1187
01:37:26,350 --> 01:37:26,930
a curve.

1188
01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:31,290
I still don't think everybody in this coach will now, they can send somebody over there.

1189
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:36,570
We have a long-term care facility, as you know, there aren't going to be a lot of open beds

1190
01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:37,830
all the time.

1191
01:37:38,530 --> 01:37:42,550
But I can follow back up with you and I can't get that information right now.

1192
01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:43,890
I'll follow up with you tomorrow or not.

1193
01:37:44,050 --> 01:37:44,410
Thank you.

1194
01:37:44,630 --> 01:37:45,050
I appreciate that.

1195
01:37:45,050 --> 01:37:46,730
I just think that anything that would help

1196
01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:50,750
relieved the load that you're taking on,

1197
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:52,550
that really should be focused on

1198
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:53,990
to a program service delivery,

1199
01:37:54,730 --> 01:37:56,850
should be something that we're prioritizing.

1200
01:37:58,470 --> 01:38:01,050
If I might on the total program cost,

1201
01:38:01,090 --> 01:38:03,650
I think one other exciting occurrence

1202
01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:07,170
on mental health, regional access project

1203
01:38:07,170 --> 01:38:09,270
is indicated they have some funding,

1204
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:12,650
specifically for mental health, mental health

1205
01:38:12,650 --> 01:38:20,110
of our in the biggest sense of the word homeless program, and the other really important

1206
01:38:20,110 --> 01:38:24,990
development is Desert Healthcare District, has also expressed an interest in financial

1207
01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:32,810
contributing to a West Coach all of our homeless program, and we do this every year.

1208
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:38,850
Our budget is always a bit squishy because we don't know what the county's budget is

1209
01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:41,170
to the last second, more do we know the cities?

1210
01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:47,550
This program, one advantage of this program versus a voice type program is how scalable

1211
01:38:47,550 --> 01:38:48,570
it is.

1212
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:54,230
It could go a little bit down and it could go a lot, we want to provide a lot more subsidies

1213
01:38:54,230 --> 01:38:55,770
out there in the marketplace.

1214
01:38:56,930 --> 01:39:02,190
We can, if we have more resources, if we want to provide more outreach workers, we can.

1215
01:39:02,710 --> 01:39:07,330
So that's good news, and I have a funny feeling, we may be scaling up, and I haven't

1216
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:10,530
I've said that about the homeless program in five years.

1217
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:12,830
Thank you.

1218
01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:14,150
I have that number for you, too.

1219
01:39:14,150 --> 01:39:15,130
I'd like to hear it.

1220
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:18,050
So for the scattered side emergency units,

1221
01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:21,870
what we have, budget is 223,900 and eight.

1222
01:39:22,450 --> 01:39:25,030
And then in rapid rehousing,

1223
01:39:25,210 --> 01:39:27,250
which doesn't include other rental systems

1224
01:39:27,250 --> 01:39:29,610
and numbers stepping or anything like that,

1225
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:34,830
we have 30,688 plus some money for utility, utility payments,

1226
01:39:34,830 --> 01:39:37,690
food, transportation, and so on and so forth.

1227
01:39:38,010 --> 01:39:39,990
And that's just budgeted cost in this

1228
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:43,010
does not count leverage costs or in kind resources

1229
01:39:43,010 --> 01:39:46,190
that we'll be bringing into the table from our partners in the area.

1230
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:47,390
Thank you.

1231
01:39:47,790 --> 01:39:48,150
You're welcome.

1232
01:39:49,650 --> 01:39:52,030
Any other questions or comments from Council?

1233
01:39:53,050 --> 01:39:54,110
Anyone in the audience?

1234
01:39:56,210 --> 01:39:58,030
OK, thank you.

1235
01:39:58,930 --> 01:40:01,810
While before Chris comes up for the Banner Program,

1236
01:40:02,530 --> 01:40:13,730
And while C-Bag is still here, just so everyone knows on your place is the draft prioritization

1237
01:40:13,730 --> 01:40:23,290
for signalization of the stops, stop lights, if you will, throughout the valley.

1238
01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:30,770
This came before the Transportation Committee in our last meeting, and I believe it's going to the executive committee at the next meeting.

1239
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:36,770
for them to look at. So if you have any questions or comments that would be the time to go to

1240
01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:42,450
either Mr. Milo, sir, to Mayor Henry prior to the Executive Committee meeting.

1241
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:49,890
Can I ask a question about this? This was the Traffic Signalization Program for the Valley.

1242
01:40:52,050 --> 01:41:02,850
There are obviously fairly sophisticated analysis programs now available associated with traffic

1243
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:11,770
signal control that takes a look at a whole series of things associated with traffic flow and improves it.

1244
01:41:12,210 --> 01:41:16,370
And I guess my question is are we just synchronizing traffic signals?

1245
01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:23,350
are we doing analytics associated with it that would significantly improve traffic flows

1246
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:27,430
throughout the valley and reduce energy consumption, etc.

1247
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,460
Welcome back Tom Perth.

1248
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,800
It's up in a C-Dag Regional Day.

1249
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,840
The answer is yes, we're looking at the big picture.

1250
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:47,080
At the same time, I feel like I am NASA planning for the Moon Launch in 1960, whatever it was.

1251
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:55,100
And planning for the computer that'll be on that orbiter 10 years' advance, it's still

1252
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:56,220
behind the game.

1253
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,940
Every time we plan for the future in this program, something...

1254
01:41:59,940 --> 01:42:01,360
Future screws us up.

1255
01:42:02,420 --> 01:42:06,540
So I think we're trying to be as darn flexible as we possibly can be.

1256
01:42:06,940 --> 01:42:09,240
And we're not getting into specific work.

1257
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:11,000
We're looking at corridors first.

1258
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:16,440
And when we're ready to deploy, at that point, we're going to be looking at the technology.

1259
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:22,400
not today and we're still a couple years from deployment. Is that a reasonable fair and it's not

1260
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,480
it is, although I wish we could deploy faster.

1261
01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:30,360
Yeah, I do too. And one reason we can't, and I hate to use this excuse, but it's absolutely

1262
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:37,440
fair, it's federal money. And there are a number of steps we have to take under CalTrans and

1263
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:42,850
FHWA processes. And I know Mayor Pro Temp had us as painfully well aware of those.

1264
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:46,910
Thank you.

1265
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:47,430
All right.

1266
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:49,050
Mr. Parman, you're up.

1267
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:53,310
I'll introduce this one for him just briefly.

1268
01:42:53,570 --> 01:42:58,470
We've been asked by a number of the businesses who participated in our banner program.

1269
01:42:58,950 --> 01:43:03,510
That is scheduled to end this fall that was originally done for the 35th anniversary.

1270
01:43:03,870 --> 01:43:04,750
Are we going to have another one?

1271
01:43:04,830 --> 01:43:05,770
They like it.

1272
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:11,970
Especially since we are now able to thank our banner sponsors through our billboard.

1273
01:43:11,970 --> 01:43:19,610
billboard. And Chris will go through the proposed designs and get your feedback on that.

1274
01:43:19,710 --> 01:43:25,670
And then also we do have a question about, we've opened our banner program to any business

1275
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:31,170
at this point. We've had a request from one of the cannabis businesses. So we want to

1276
01:43:31,170 --> 01:43:35,770
make sure that in light of some of the other discussions we've had about advertising in the area,

1277
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:41,250
you know, what your position is on that. But to this point, we've treated the banner program

1278
01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:43,910
that any business can participate into it?

1279
01:43:44,230 --> 01:43:44,290
Chris.

1280
01:43:44,630 --> 01:43:47,350
OK, Mayor Pro Tempettos and Council members.

1281
01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:53,710
As you know, last November, we implemented the 35th Anniversary

1282
01:43:54,270 --> 01:43:55,430
banner program.

1283
01:43:55,590 --> 01:44:00,450
As you can see there, it runs from November 1, 2016

1284
01:44:00,450 --> 01:44:03,730
through October 31st, 2017.

1285
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:09,210
We had 32 businesses and organizations participate.

1286
01:44:09,210 --> 01:44:12,850
It generated about $15,000 in revenue.

1287
01:44:13,670 --> 01:44:17,570
It paid for 82 banners along East Palm Canyon Drive,

1288
01:44:17,870 --> 01:44:22,390
which in the past, the city has had to pick up that expense.

1289
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,690
It generated about $2,600 in net revenue,

1290
01:44:27,050 --> 01:44:29,170
which went back into special events,

1291
01:44:29,230 --> 01:44:32,870
and $2,600 of revenue can pay for an event

1292
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:35,390
like Easter, Kittapalusa that we had.

1293
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:42,070
It added a burst of color to our downtown section, and it offered businesses a new opportunity

1294
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:49,670
to reach 35,000 automobiles at travel along that stretch of East Palm Canyon Drive between

1295
01:44:49,670 --> 01:44:54,530
Dape Palm Drive and the Digital Canyon Drive on a daily basis.

1296
01:44:55,310 --> 01:44:59,930
As Charlie mentioned, businesses are coming on.

1297
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:13,820
Again, even as late as the last couple of weeks, I've had several businesses that have called and want to be participant in the current program and then looking to do in a future program, if council proves.

1298
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:27,320
So, we're looking at doing the next round, which would be starting November 1, 2017 through October 31, 2018, and as Charlie mentioned many of them see a benefit,

1299
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:34,040
because when space is available, when we don't have advertisements for our other events and sponsors

1300
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:41,720
of those events, then we're able to think those sponsors who invested in our banner program

1301
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:50,160
on the new electronic festival line sign there. So Kevin Lockwood, who's our graphic designer

1302
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:56,660
and web master, and I came up with two options, option one and two, and we would like your

1303
01:45:56,660 --> 01:46:03,060
feedback if you so choose to continue the program, which one of these two do you think you would

1304
01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:08,560
like to see on the East Pump Canyon. So here's option one. Who are you going to that?

1305
01:46:08,860 --> 01:46:13,100
Yes. Is the cost of the businesses do you disfake being the same? It's going to be the same

1306
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:22,000
at $500 for one banner and then we'll make some modifications on the price if they buy like

1307
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,320
six or more, it'll be 450 of banner.

1308
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,820
Okay, thank you.

1309
01:46:27,660 --> 01:46:29,040
So this is option one.

1310
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:33,360
This is kind of given it a completely different look.

1311
01:46:33,980 --> 01:46:41,760
We used the color purple as for the 35th anniversary public works went through and had all of

1312
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:52,600
downtown street lights and the power lights and traffic signals repainted to purple so we're

1313
01:46:52,600 --> 01:47:00,360
using that as part of our design and so this is the first one and what I like about this

1314
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:06,020
is it says not only discover cathedral city but it's also discover whatever business

1315
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:12,820
organization that would be listed below as well. And then here's option 2 which is kind

1316
01:47:12,820 --> 01:47:21,440
of similar to what we had for the 35th on there but we use it for the purple kind of background

1317
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:30,240
with the bright orange on that and you can see that we're using the discover treatment as well. So

1318
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:36,760
to give you a back option 1 and then option 2.

1319
01:47:38,860 --> 01:47:43,520
Any feedback? Yeah I think that the white stands

1320
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:52,900
out and makes it more easily recognizable so I like option 1 too. That's also.

1321
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:13,440
My only question would be how does the white, how do we anticipate the white standing up to the sun and the sun, the sun, the stand, the occasional rain?

1322
01:48:14,420 --> 01:48:22,180
Well, we have in the downtown section around town square park all of those banners are white and they seem to be holding up pretty well.

1323
01:48:22,180 --> 01:48:29,200
And, again, these banners will only be up for about a year, and the printer, which is

1324
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:34,240
Canyon Copy and Print, who's a cathedral city business, who puts these banners together

1325
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:38,300
for us, guarantees them for a year or more.

1326
01:48:39,580 --> 01:48:42,260
Chris, I like one, too, but I have another question.

1327
01:48:44,300 --> 01:48:49,940
What are the locations that these banners can be opted for at?

1328
01:48:49,940 --> 01:48:57,700
Is it just in the immediate East Palm Canyon area or can it be expanded to other locations throughout the city?

1329
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:58,600
Yeah, so what you're getting?

1330
01:48:58,980 --> 01:49:05,800
Well, currently we only have the infrastructure far as the poll lights and the things that the

1331
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:15,220
banners hang from in the downtown area, but maybe in the future someday we'll have money to be able to

1332
01:49:15,220 --> 01:49:20,240
expand that into, I would really like to bring this to Ramon Road and then.

1333
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:25,580
Yeah, I mean, I've had this, we've had this conversation, this is, you know, for the last three years.

1334
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,500
And I keep asking for it to be expanded in other areas.

1335
01:49:29,260 --> 01:49:34,220
And I think it's legitimate, and the feedback is that it's not, we don't have the infrastructure to be able to do that.

1336
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:40,480
So if that's going to be the continued response, then I think we should start looking at how we can make that answer different.

1337
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:45,620
Because there are other businesses and other locations that could benefit from this at art getting that benefit now.

1338
01:49:45,820 --> 01:49:45,880
Sure.

1339
01:49:46,300 --> 01:49:47,540
So I think we should look at it.

1340
01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:52,700
So I think you heard the majority like option number one.

1341
01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:58,660
You know, you're also hearing that we'd like some budget figures on what it would take to add the infrastructure,

1342
01:49:59,380 --> 01:50:02,640
at least on remote road and other sections of East Palm Canyon.

1343
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:09,640
Possibly date palm, but I think remote is probably would be the first step.

1344
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:21,000
And then the question Mr. McClendon had is related to continuing to allow all businesses

1345
01:50:22,780 --> 01:50:27,940
to participate, or are we going to want to restrict businesses?

1346
01:50:31,630 --> 01:50:32,410
Are you asking me that question?

1347
01:50:32,410 --> 01:50:34,950
Well, you've turned your mic on, so I think I have another question.

1348
01:50:35,070 --> 01:50:35,950
Oh, go right ahead.

1349
01:50:37,370 --> 01:50:40,730
The last program, did we sell out on all the manners?

1350
01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:49,690
We did not. We sold probably about half of them, but at the time when we were selling them back in last September, October.

1351
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:55,750
The one thing that we didn't have, which we do now, which makes everybody want the program even more,

1352
01:50:56,130 --> 01:51:04,870
is the ability to also have their logo on the festival on electronic billboard, as part of the banner program.

1353
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:09,450
Okay, because I had a caution flag when you said who are about six or more banners.

1354
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:13,730
Obviously that would be a larger corporation that could afford them, that might be a larger one.

1355
01:51:14,490 --> 01:51:21,510
That would take some advantage away from a small business man that could only afford one and would be able to have it because a larger corporation took it.

1356
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:24,870
So I would just, you know, be cautious of, you know,

1357
01:51:26,430 --> 01:51:33,990
in the savings that they're getting is pretty minimal versus vine one banner versus sex.

1358
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:37,110
Yeah, it's a $50 savings, so.

1359
01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:39,290
Okay, thank you.

1360
01:51:39,730 --> 01:51:40,030
All right.

1361
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:41,130
Any comments on there?

1362
01:51:41,550 --> 01:51:44,550
I mean, I, for one, would just assume, keep it so that every business has an

1363
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:45,610
opportunity to participate.

1364
01:51:46,730 --> 01:51:48,750
If they're a legal business or a legal business, and think of the

1365
01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:51,650
University, you should be able to participate in there in the programs.

1366
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:54,410
But what I would agree with it as well.

1367
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:57,210
And it's basically the name of the business and their logo.

1368
01:51:57,610 --> 01:51:58,950
That's all that's going to show.

1369
01:51:59,750 --> 01:52:02,890
So I think that's where the reason is going to be a cross.

1370
01:52:02,890 --> 01:52:09,070
you know, the green cross and I just think that just reflects kind of negative on the city with the green cross,

1371
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:14,430
but then how can you restrict a business's logo on a banner that they're purchasing?

1372
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:23,360
Well, I think Mark, I think we have a separate discussion that's going to take place on signing each.

1373
01:52:23,780 --> 01:52:26,420
And I think that particular issue will be included in that discussion.

1374
01:52:30,180 --> 01:52:35,300
We do have a committee that's going to be working on the comprehensive sign code revision,

1375
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:40,980
which will address that, you know, this one, we really haven't treated this as advertising.

1376
01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:45,500
And I think that distinction is important because it is nothing but the name of the business

1377
01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:49,960
and the logo. There's nothing, there's no address, there's no phone number, there's no pricing,

1378
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:55,800
there's no buy here, the things that you typically see and advertising. And so I think that has made

1379
01:52:56,360 --> 01:53:03,000
it easy for us to just, we simply say, thanks to our banner sponsors and roll their names and

1380
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:10,300
So I think you could argue that it's really not advertising in that particular case.

1381
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:12,640
It's thanking them for supporting our banners.

1382
01:53:14,380 --> 01:53:18,620
And you mentioned atomic buzz, but whether it's atomic buzz or relief or something,

1383
01:53:18,740 --> 01:53:21,080
their logo is not necessarily the green cross.

1384
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:25,220
It's part of their name.

1385
01:53:25,980 --> 01:53:28,320
So I'm hearing if they're a business, they're a business.

1386
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:33,320
Anything else on this item that you need?

1387
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:34,580
Thank you.

1388
01:53:34,660 --> 01:53:37,000
Go forth and make money.

1389
01:53:39,980 --> 01:53:42,380
Charlie, we have five minutes for back yard breeding.

1390
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,000
That's pet breeding, don't get excited.

1391
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:50,640
This is Council Member Ogilars request and we can introduce it.

1392
01:53:50,740 --> 01:53:54,760
We can always continue this discussion onto the regular agenda.

1393
01:53:55,440 --> 01:54:04,860
So this is my item and particularly since there is nobody here who was part of the interest group that had proposed this here tonight that we postpone it that would be my recommendation.

1394
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:06,020
Okay.

1395
01:54:06,180 --> 01:54:07,480
That's the desire of the council.

1396
01:54:07,660 --> 01:54:11,940
I can recalender for this for either June 26 or July 26.

1397
01:54:12,580 --> 01:54:12,600
Okay.

1398
01:54:12,860 --> 01:54:13,280
Thank you.

1399
01:54:13,340 --> 01:54:14,020
Let's do that.

1400
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,220
And obviously we won't have time to go into close session.

1401
01:54:18,140 --> 01:54:23,340
Now let's take a five minute break and let the clerk reset everything and we'll come back at six thirty.

1402
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:23,880
Thank you.