anonymously if you're not ready
to file a police report.
Whatever you're feeling is
valid. You're not alone. There
are resources out there for
you. We stand with survivors
and we are here to support you
in whatever way we can. It's.
Meeting to order.
>> we have a quorum.
This evening.
Thanks to.
You all for.
Joining here in person.
And those watching online.
We'll start with introductions.
Going around the room.
Starting with.
>> our city.
>> clerk billy tons.
Deputy city clerk andrea
leslie, vice.
City attorney.
Good evening.
I'm victoria wellington.
I have the pleasure of serving
you as a member at large.
Joy mayo representing district
three.
Good evening and happy.
Pride week.
Charlotte dante anderson.
District one.
Good evening everybody.
>> and.
Mayor pro tem james mitchell.
Good evening everybody rob
harrington.
Mayor marcus.
Jones.
.
City manager.
Kimberly owens representing
district six.
Malcolm graham district three.
The wanted mayfield council
member at large.
Good evening, jd master arias.
District five.
Good evening.
renee johnson.
>> and I'm.
Honored to.
>> represent district four.
Good evening mayor council.
Member at large.
Thank you and again good
evening.
We will start our meeting with
items with consideration.
Of the.
>> consent agenda.
Items before.
>> we take.
A vote.
>> are there any uh.
Comment or any for a separate
vote?
Council member johnson first.
Council council.
Member mayfield.
We're both.
>> trying.
To get out of.
Cabinet.
>> cabinet whatever works I
don't know to point.
Item number.
>> 23 please.
Just pull for discussion, okay
?
No no others.
Council member.
Johnson council member mayfield
when you're ready.
Thank you.
MR. Mayor.
Actually as.
Had um I was able to tune.
In on.
Friday for.
>> a check.
In and.
I've asked questions.
So what I would like is.
>> for staff to.
Give the.
Responses to.
>> the items.
>> that we were checking into.
so I guess.
What I'm.
Pulling out for a separate
discussion.
Do you have the.
Response for.
>> what was said?
36.
>> and my apologies for.
Not having this up right now.
Staff is.
Looking number 4847.
Thank you.
For us to have.
Full discussion as well as.
Number 45.
Trying to have a.
Better understanding.
So mayor.
45 4748.
That I would like for staff to.
Go over.
The responses.
>> that they submitted to us.
Because I see 46 4748.
But looks like 45.
Which was.
A very.
Specific question.
On the.
2026 tax collect the.
Settlement statement that is.
>> not.
In here.
So want to get.
Those for a separate discussion
please.
So council member mayfield the.
List that I wrote down from you
was.
36.
.
4547 and 48.
Yes sir.
Thank you.
And um.
I propose that we take a vote
on the remaining items.
Uh.
And also given.
the, uh, length of the agenda.
Here um, in here in particular
uh.
My proposal uh.
Intent would be to.
Take up the.
Um the.
Items that are no longer.
In consent, uh.
During at the very beginning of
the business meeting in the
session in chamber.
>> just.
To fill.
Some time here.
Uh, any problem with that?
Great.
Okay, then we'll.
Vote on the agenda.
Items other.
>> than those accepted.
Second.
>> and the items that are have
been pulled out just for
clarity in the motion.
Are 23.
36, 45, 4748.
Any further discussion on the.
Remaining consent items?
So there.
>> has been a.
Motion made and.
Seconded to approve.
>> the consent items other than
those listed 23, 36, 45 4748
all in favor raise your hand.
Any opposed?
All right.
They pass.
I believe we are now ready for
the.
Action preview.
And I'll turn that over to.
Our manager.
Thank you.
Mayor.
Members of council.
Uh, tonight we have uh, three.
Items on the.
Action preview.
and as you MAY recall what we
attempt to do.
On the second.
Monday of the.
Month queue up.
Some items.
That MAY be.
Voted on.
On the fourth monday.
Of the month.
So right now um.
What we have is coming out of
committee would be the youth
protection ordinance revisions
.
Model cities.
Initiative grant and parking on
.
Sidewalk ordinance.
Revision and mayor, if there
aren't any questions I'd.
>> like to proceed.
>> with the uv.
Protection ordinance revisions.
Please do.
So with.
>> that said.
Mayor, this coming.
>> out of the.
Safety committee.
I believe.
That um we would.
>> have council member anderson
.
Tee up.
>> this discussion.
Thank you mayor and thank you,
city manager.
We are about to proceed to
walk.
You all through.
The full council.
Through our discussions and.
Um, some.
>> of the findings that came
out of the public safety
committee meeting that was held
as a special meeting over our
summer break as it relates to
youth protection ordinances.
um.
>> we all have seen the video
and some.
>> of the news.
Updates as it relates to teen
takeovers and unfortunately um
,some of the challenges that
have.
Occurred throughout our city
from north to south to center
city and I've been working very
closely with uh chief patterson
and uh attorney jessica battle
and dc brierley as well as.
Uh dcm sean heath on how we can
advance this topic.
And so you'll get a briefing
today from from the team on
this topic.
It's important to say that we
will not be voting tonight on
this particular topic because
this we are addressing an
ordinance that already exists.
So this is for.
Council's review.
And council's opportunity to
ask questions and delve in.
And with that I will hand it
over to uh, chief patterson and
her team.
Thank you.
>> all right.
Good evening.
Mayor and.
Council.
>> I want to thank you for
allowing.
>> my.
Staff and I to bring a topic.
>> to.
You that is.
Becoming increasingly.
Disturbing and that is the
safety.
>> of our.
Youth and the community.
In general.
Due to.
>> what we.
>> have been talking about.
>> which.
Is teen takeovers.
And I'd.
>> like to take a moment to
thank all the supporters.
Who are in the.
Room today.
Those who are joining us in
person and.
Also online.
And I'd.
>> like.
To begin this.
Presentation by providing a
video compilation that we
shared with the public safety
committee.
When we brought.
This topic.
>> to.
Them back.
In JULY.
Let's see if we.
>> can get the video played.
It was.
>> like being in a movie.
>> and.
Scary all at the.
Same time.
What you're seeing is.
Video captured by one of our
viewers.
>> is showing.
The large crowd.
>> of teenagers at camp.
North in the park was shut down
or the floodlights.
>> were on.
Vanessa bravo.
Lives in a nearby.
Apartment building and.
Got caught up.
In that commotion.
Now another.
Very serious situation.
Happened at romeo bearden park.
Early sunday morning.
Cmpd says they were.
Trying to enforce a youth.
curfew when suddenly.
Shut shots rang out.
Officers say they found two
victims who had been shot.
They were both rushed.
>> to.
The hospital.
>> but we are.
Told they should recover.
Charlotte-mecklenburg police
are keeping their promise and
cracking down on teen take over
after.
Receiving tips.
>> of a teen.
Takeover planned for saturday.
Cmpd implemented.
>> a coordinated.
Operational plan.
That resulted.
>> in more than.
20 arrests.
That includes 12 juveniles.
>> and.
Ten adults.
Those adults.
Cited for.
>> contributing to the.
Delinquency of a minor.
Witnesses say they saw 100 to
200 teens filming each other
and blocking traffic.
Let's start.
First at brier creek.
Police say around.
1027 saturday night police got
a report of a fight happening
near the movie theater.
They said this was.
Part of a teen.
Takeover.
>> nearly 3000 teens were said
to be there.
Then let's.
>> go to.
Glenwood south around 130
sunday morning.
Officers responded to.
Multiple shootings.
There were.
about 5000.
People involved in that teen
takeover.
Then three hours later a fight
happened at.
>> a gas station.
That fight.
>> led to a.
>> shooting and two.
People were shot.
Nine people shot after.
Thousands of teens take.
>> over the.
Streets.
>> parents could be held liable
in raleigh.
If their.
>> juvenile kids.
>> are.
Out late.
Committing crimes.
After curfew is eventually put
in place.
A violent brawl.
Breaking out.
>> in south carolina.
.
>> north charleston police.
Officer tackled to the ground.
>> and.
Pummeled repeatedly during.
>> a 4th of.
>> JULY.
Gathering of teens and young
adults.
That descended into chaos.
13 people.
>> were arrested.
Between the ages.
Of 13 and 20.
Years old.
>> and a.
Growing number.
>> of.
Cities are dealing with.
>> a surge in.
>> the.
So-called teen takeover.
.
That was what newport.
beach.
>> california looked like over.
>> the.
Holiday weekend.
More than.
400 people.
Were arrested, most.
Of them.
Young and.
>> minors.
>> on the 4th of.
>> JULY madness in.
Newport beach.
More than.
400 people arrested.
Officers just declared an
unlawful assembly.
In newport beach.
Police say influencers.
>> are streaming.
Encouraging followers to join
the chaos for.
And this is just some.
>> of the JULY 4th chaos that
took.
>> a.
Dangerous turn in.
Newport beach.
Video shows.
Fireworks.
>> fights and damage to
businesses.
.
Tonight dramatic new.
Video of chicago police pinning
.
People down and.
Struggling to quell massive
memorial.
Day crowds.
It's just.
>> becoming a big.
Big problem.
In charlotte.
Unfortunately we.
>> have been.
>> bombarded with.
This chaos.
If you see kids out.
You better.
>> stay home.
These young people.
>> know they cannot be
arrested.
They're not going to be.
Charged and they.
Know that they can keep doing
this.
So we wanted to share this
video because what you see is.
Today's reality for our youth.
And their.
>> desire to.
>> participate in behavior that
is becoming increasingly
harmful to them.
To our law enforcement
personnel, to businesses and
patrons and also to the
community at large.
Much of what you just saw we've
experienced right here in.
Charlotte and.
>> over the last two months.
And members of my team and I
have experienced it in real
time.
I'll give you a short preview
back on JULY or I'm sorry, JUNE
14th.
I saw firsthand what happens
when a group of.
Teens congregate with no
specific purpose.
And nothing.
In mind to do, especially after
dark.
Early that.
>> morning there.
>> was a shoot.
Out in center city at roomier
bearden.
Park where you saw some of the
images of in which a 15 year
old and an 18 year old were
shot.
The shooters subsequently were
216 year olds and a 15 year
old.
In that.
>> incident we.
Saw a clear example of victims
and victimization of our youth
.
Additionally, several innocent
bystanders and businesses were
impacted because of the actions
of the many teens who were out
there.
On JULY.
>> 4th.
We saw another large gathering
.
Of youth.
Around amir bearden park.
>> I was.
>> out there.
I worked in fact until 3:00 in
the morning.
And saw the mass.
Of youth that we had out there.
We did not have any incidents
that morning or that night in
charlotte and the reason being
I am confident is because we
had over 200 officers working
in a small geographic location.
We know that we cannot sustain
that.
We cannot have that kind of
manpower.
Or personnel power.
Every weekend or whenever
there's a pop up event
pertaining to our youth.
On JULY 11th in university city
near the boardwalk.
We had another mass.
Gathering of 2 to 300 youth
that resulted in fights,
disorder and a firearm being
seized, a firearm being
confiscated from a 16 year old.
We had 12 juveniles who were
arrested in that incident and
ten adults were cited.
We had several.
Officers who were assaulted.
When they're trying to break up
the fights and break up the
incidents going on and we had
businesses that had to shut
down early, could not carry on
their business because of the
teen takeovers and the number
of teens who were in the area.
I am very concerned that if we
don't get a handle on these
events and what is going on,
the consequences MAY become
fatal.
This is why I'm proposing a
modification to the existing
youth protection ordinance.
And that.
Modification is simply.
That one.
We increase the curfew age to
all minors 17 and younger that
we lower the curfew time to 9
P.M. Every day of the week so
that there's no confusion on
what time or where you have to
be in that kind of thing.
And also to that we keep the
existing exceptions such as a
youth going to and from work or
going to a sanctioned event by
their school or religious place
of worship or something like
that.
And we're going to talk more a
little.
Bit about that.
Mayor and council, please hear
me clearly when I say that we
are not proposing to
criminalize our youth.
We don't want to criminalize
them for being teenagers.
We will not be instituting a
curfew.
Police.
I don't have the staffing for
it so we will never do that.
We are not creating a prison
pipeline for youth of color.
We're not punishing good kids
for doing the right things but
instead we are proposing a tool
that gives law enforcement the
ability to intervene and keep
our young people from being
harmed or harming others.
Today we have a brief
presentation with data to
support our assertion that
youth are being victimized when
they are permitted to stay out
late.
And unsupervised.
I would close by saying this to
you as we look around this
room, those who are seated here
there are a number of law
enforcement agency partners,
community leaders, safety youth
advocates, educators and
business leaders who.
>> have.
Either been negatively impacted
by these teen takeovers or are
extremely concerned about our
youth and their safety.
I believe that they stand with
cmpd and they stand with me in
saying that we have to revise
our youth protection ordinance.
I am proud of the work that my
team is doing to try to get
ahead of these takeovers, to
try to be in those places.
However, we cannot mitigate
these just by using personnel
resources.
It's very expensive, is very
taxing on our resources and
while we can't put a price on
the tax, the resources that
we're using we cannot put a
price on a life that is lost.
As a result of the events that
happened because of.
>> these teen takeovers.
So we're asking you to consider
that as you think about this
youth.
Protection ordinance.
And at this time I'm going to
turn it over to MISS Jessica
battle for a few legal points
and then to deputy chief briley
and also doctor stewart from
our youth office of.
Youth opportunities.
Good evening mayor, city
council.
Members and MISTER Manager.
Jessica battle with the.
>> city attorney's office.
Our youth protection.
Ordinance was.
Brought into.
First implemented in 1995.
>> it started off as a pilot
program but.
Given the.
>> results of the curfew.
And other.
Section of the youth
protection.
Ordinance, it remained.
>> a permanent part of our
charlotte.
City code.
And to give.
>> you a.
>> little.
Bit of.
>> procedural history in.
How we.
>> got here today.
On JUNE 30th of this year,
former mayor louse.
>> signed a.
Policy referral.
For the.
>> safety committee.
To take a look.
At our current youth.
Protection ordinance.
>> to.
Do some.
Benchmarking of.
Other north carolina and.
Us cities.
To determine what.
,if.
>> any public.
Safety considerations.
>> that.
This council could take into
consideration when we are
looking to.
Mitigate the public safety.
Issues associated.
>> with.
Juvenile curfew issues.
On JULY.
>> 14th.
The committee.
>> heard recommendations from
the.
Cmpd and.
Also heard from the city
attorney's office.
On their legal authority.
As it relates to curfew.
And in that.
Special meeting the committee
members.
>> voted.
Unanimously to.
Support kpd.
Recommendations to send before
this.
Full council for consideration
.
Emphasizing what.
Chief patterson just stated.
>> that being.
Updating the curfew to include
all minors.
And making it.
9:00 pm on each.
Day of the week.
Our current youth protection.
Ordinance applies.
To two.
Different subsets.
>> of.
Minors for.
Children who are 12 years old
and under the curfew as.
>> at 10 P.M. Until 6.
>> A.M..
On the.
>> following day.
Any day of the.
Week for children ages 13, 14
and 15.
That curfew is from 11.
>> P.M..
To.
6.
A.M..
The.
Following day on.
Any given day of the week we do
not have any.
Other tiers related to weekends
or geographic locations.
>> in the city at this time.
I'm sorry there's.
>> a slight delay.
>> in.
The clicker as it relates to.
Offenses that.
>> arise out of our curfew.
A juvenile can be charged with
violating the curfew if.
>> they.
Are present.
And not.
At home.
Remaining in a public place
after the curfew hours.
A parent or guardian can be
charged with a curfew offense.
>> if they.
Knowingly permit.
Their juvenile child for being
outside of the curfew hours.
Also owners, operators or any.
Employees of.
>> an.
Establishment can be charged
with an offense.
If they.
>> knowingly allow.
Juveniles to remain on their
property after curfew hours.
There are also offenses.
For persons.
16 years old and older who aid.
Or abet.
Or otherwise assist.
Juveniles in violating the
curfew.
And also it is a.
violation for a parent or
guardian to refuse to.
>> take.
Custody of.
>> their child after they are
notified that their child has
violated curfew and police are
seeking the parent to come and
retrieve their juvenile.
Right.
>> there are some.
Exceptions that.
>> chief patterson went
through.
If you are accompanied by your
parent or guardian or any
authorized.
Adult aged.
21 years or older authorized
adult meaning someone who has
permission from the parent or
guardian of the juvenile to be
responsible for that child
after curfew hours.
If the juvenile is running a
parent or excuse me running an
errand for their parent and
they are on a direct route to
that errand or back to their
residence.
Likewise if they are doing
employment.
Activities and.
Again on a direct route to or
from work, they can.
>> be.
Out outside of their restricted
hours.
Or if they are responding to a
true emergency.
Lastly.
>> if a.
Juvenile is attending.
Traveling to or directly from
an official.
School religious.
>> or recreation.
Event that.
>> is.
With emphasis he or supervised
by.
Adults or.
Sponsored by a public or.
>> private.
School.
.
Religious.
Institution, government entity
or civic organization.
They can.
>> be outside out of their.
Restricted restricted hours.
Excuse me.
>> and if a person were to
encounter law enforcement they
would certainly try to verify
whether or not the juvenile is
falling under one of these
lawful exceptions to being out
in the restricted hours.
Forgive me.
>> for.
The technology.
All right.
When we.
Look at our benchmarking.
We look not only at north
carolina cities but we looked
at several sister cities across
the united states.
When we.
Look at.
>> winston-salem.
>> their curfew applies to all
minors persons 17 years old and
younger from 10 P.M. To 6 P.M.
On any day.
Of the week.
And currently the city of
raleigh is also considering.
Changing their.
Juvenile curfew.
They are also considering
having it apply to all minors
and they.
>> are looking at.
10 P.M. Or 11 P.M. For their
standard restricted hours.
Some other cities of which who
were featured in the recording.
>> that was played at the.
At the beginning of.
>> this presentation are myrtle
beach, south carolina.
That has a curfew for 17 and
younger.
This is a citywide curfew of
midnight.
However they have a geographic
or territorial curfew in their
downtown area which starts at 9
P.M..
It's important to note.
>> that last year myrtle beach
.
Instituted an emergency curfew
.
There was a little earlier they
had that.
Because of incident that had
occurred in their jurisdiction
.
Once that temporary curfew was
lifted back to the former 11
P.M., they did see a spike in
crime that they directly
correlated to the changes in
their curfew restricted hours.
In atlanta, georgia, the curfew
is 17 and younger during school
nights 11 P.M. To six and then
friday and saturday they have a
tiered curfew at midnight.
Nashville.
>> tennessee also applies to
all minors and they have
different hearing related to
different times of day of the.
Week and.
>> they.
Also have a summer exception
and we give you all of this
benchmarking just so that the
council can be aware of what
other cities are doing and know
about the different options and
level.
>> of.
Changes that are being sought
as they consider cmpd
recommendation of the 9:00 p m
curfew for each day of the week
for all minors 17 and below.
And now I will turn it over to
deputy chief riley who will
talk about teen takeovers from
the law enforcement perspective
.
Thank you.
>> good for me?
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you.
Okay.
Uh good evening mayor council
and our guests.
>> I'm deputy.
Chief jackie braly.
Um, I'm over patrol operations
for the city of charlotte and
cmpd.
So part of our teen.
Takeovers these are planned
gatherings.
With no true purpose.
Some of our youth genuinely use
these as opportunities to get
out of the house, spend time
with their friends, hang out.
But unfortunately.
Others use this as an
opportunity to meet up.
,plan.
>> fights, settle social media
disputes.
Or oftentimes end in violence.
.
With approximately.
40 planned.
Takeovers thus far, cmpd has.
Demonstrated its ability.
To respond.
Effectively and.
Efficiently and.
Successfully address these
incidents.
>> as they occur.
As the chief stated.
Unfortunately these are
manpower and staffing
intensive.
And not able to be sustained.
So a little bit of the numbers
for our calendar year.
We've had.
431 of our youth that were
victims of violent crime.
127 of these victims.
Were 16 and 17 year olds who
are not part of the current
youth protection ordinance.
.
393 of our youth were black or
hispanic.
With gun.
>> related assaults.
Driving many of these cases.
The numbers.
>> on the.
Slide speak for themselves.
With the.
>> percentages.
>> but there's much more.
Troubling as myself was a
parent who's raised two
teenagers and currently raising
a third.
Thus far.
>> this calendar year we've
lost six.
Young people.
To gun violence.
These were all 17 years and
younger with our youngest
juvenile victim of homicide.
1413 young people.
>> in.
Our community were aged 17 and
under were charged with
homicide calendar year to.
Date of these incidents.
Every single one of them
occurred after 9 A.M. Between 6
A.M..
So no matter what side of these
tragedies of families on these
lives are changed forever.
As part of our research into
this.
We looked at some of our um,
alternatives snapped to your
age group and geographic.
These various alternatives to
these various alternatives to
our current recommendation do
have significant challenges.
Again.
>> staffing is not sustainable
for snap tiered or geographic
officers are still responsible
to respond to calls for service
in a timely manner.
Is that is.
That is what is.
Expected from our community we
serve.
Therefore we are unable to pull
resources from all over the
city to go.
From one.
>> location to another.
In theory it sounds okay.
But significant.
>> but we have.
Significant practical
challenges in its application.
Currently cmpd leads many
efforts on many fronts to
engage with our youth.
Our pal.
Program that.
>> has been.
Around for many years.
Year to date serves on average
500 young people in our
community.
This is a program that's.
>> led by cmpd officers and
volunteers.
Our reach program has.
Continued to.
>> work with 60 youth, 30 men
and 30 young ladies this
calendar year.
With multiple city and county
partners and under the
leadership of our officers in
the mecklenburg county
sheriff's office.
Community engagement unit, we
had 1800 youth successfully
participate in 14 teen summer
jam events to include two pool
parties at splash planet with
zero incidents as well as 64
community led national night
out events.
.
With that I'll.
>> hand.
It over to doctor.
Stewart.
>> good evening mayor
harrington, manager.
Jones and members of council.
I'm ricky stuart, director of
housing and neighborhood.
Services and the.
Office of youth opportunity.
And I.
>> wanted to just take a.
Moment to share with you some
of the things.
>> that your staff.
With the.
>> office of.
>> our office.
Of youth opportunities.
Has done and.
>> what we plan to do next.
So we.
>> have expanded our career.
Experiences through.
Strategic outreach.
Meaning we have created more.
Flexible opportunities.
For our youth.
To date we have provided 683
career experiences and we're on
.
Track for.
>> our goal of 1000.
>> by the end of the year.
Um understanding the need for.
Third spaces.
We realized.
This a little bit last.
Year so we.
Were able.
To partner with.
>> the ymca.
>> I believe.
>> our partner was with us.
>> this evening um, to provide
200 ymca passes.
It was initially for three
months and we recognized.
>> the.
Need for.
>> the youth.
>> to have activities to do so
we.
Were able to extend.
>> it through DECEMBER.
Uh, this summer we.
>> were able to provide 250
county.
>> and park.
Rec and team passes, which is
great because they have an
opportunity to visit and
participate.
In any activity at any rec
center across the county.
And then we continue to
strengthen through.
Our youth safety initiative.
Our violence.
Prevention campaigns with.
>> our youth.
Diversion program.
We work closely with.
Cmpd and our school resource
officers.
And our.
Alternative to violence
initiative which.
>> is.
In three different.
Uh, corridors across the city.
So as it relates to.
What's next, our team is ready
to pivot with.
>> the purpose.
So we are looking.
>> at developing a partnership
.
Grant to support organizations.
Providing safe.
Third spaces.
so what we'll do is we'll.
Partner with cmpd to look at
the data to make sure that our.
Scope of work.
Is the right impact and.
That we're offering.
These third.
>> spaces in the right places
across the city.
We had a.
>> great conversation with the
parks.
>> and rec department today to
coordinate youth activities
during teacher workdays.
So we're looking at any.
Free and available time.
>> that the youth have.
How can we contribute to giving
them something else to do
that's going to.
Help them.
>> with their upward mobility?
And last but not least we're.
Looking at.
Partnering again with.
The ymca to expand programing
and partnerships with their
teen activation center.
And with that program alone we
can additionally touch and
impact.
Over 200 youth.
I'm going to turn it back.
Over to.
>> chief patterson.
So we will wrap.
Up today by just again going
over these recommendations that
we put before you.
We want to increase our curfew
age to include all minors 17
and younger.
We want to lower the curfew
time to 9 P.M. Every day of the
week and then abide by those
exceptions that we currently
have in place.
We certainly appreciate your
patience and listen to our
presentation at this time we're
open up to any questions you.
>> MAY have of us.
Thank you, chief patterson I
know we have.
Uh.
>> three council members who.
Have asked.
Uh.
>> hoops for.
Um and I'll.
Start five.
I'll start with council member.
Esmeralda.
>> thank you.
>> mayor harrington.
Chief, thank you for your.
Leadership and thanks to all
the law enforcement here in the
room and all.
The partners who are.
Here today.
>> I did see the us attorney.
Uh, thank you for being.
Here and.
>> for your.
>> leadership collaborating
with cmpd.
We appreciate you.
Um.
So if.
>> we.
Can go back to the exception.
Slide because I am getting
questions.
About oh, my child is.
Working night shift, would that
apply.
Or they.
Have youth cam.
>> would that apply?
>> so I think.
I do.
Want every parent to.
Understand that this would not
.
Apply to employment activity.
Or if they.
Are part.
Of some.
>> sort.
Of organized opportunity.
Yes.
>> so I.
Just want to make that very
clear to your point chief, this
is not criminalizing our youth.
Uh this is.
To keep.
>> our community safe.
Um.
>> I know this is just the one
tool.
That is.
In our hands.
To keep our community.
Safe.
>> but our bigger.
Responsibility is to have safe
.
Spaces for our youth.
I remember growing up.
I used.
>> to go to.
Mall during my summer breaks
when.
>> I was not working.
Uh, and we are seeing some.
>> of.
This opportunities are going
away.
>> there are not a.
Lot of gathering.
Spaces or safe.
Spaces for teens anymore.
So I.
Appreciate the work that doctor
.
Stewart is doing collaborating.
>> with the county.
To provide.
Opportunities to our youth.
Um.
Doctor stewart.
>> if.
You.
Could talk.
About uh.
How many.
Youth so.
far have.
>> been engaged.
>> through some.
>> of.
The.
Opportunities whether.
That's directly with the city
or.
That's in.
>> partnership with other
agencies?
So as it relates to youth being
involved, 683 as it relates to
employment or career
experiences and a little bit
over 5000.
>> as it relates to us just
having contact.
>> with them through um pop
ups, through trainings, through
meeting them where they are.
So we've had a really uh
impactful year this.
>> year and our plan is to
continue that work.
Going forward.
If I.
>> could add to that council
member as mayor.
Um, deputy chief brawley talked
about over the summer when we
realized these teen takeovers
were happening.
We coordinated with families
with parents to be able to drop
their.
Children off in a responsible
location.
We had over 1800 youth for the
six events that we partnered
with the county with.
And I.
Think those are the
opportunities.
That we.
>> need to.
Continue to highlight, uh, so
that.
Teens have.
Safe spaces to go.
to, safe spaces to.
Have opportunities.
Whether that's through
mentorship or a job opportunity
.
Or workforce development.
Opportunities.
>> um, because.
I think that's where.
We need to continue.
>> to focus on.
So if we can continue to
expand.
That program, MR. Jones, I know
this is something we started.
Uh, the council.
>> had.
Approved in our budget just
last year and I.
>> think.
We've come a long way to seeing
hundreds of youth that have
been engaged.
>> I would.
Like us to continue.
>> to.
Expand that program.
Uh, not just in the summer.
>> but.
Especially when there is a.
Teacher workday.
Uh, at cms.
I'm a cms parents I can tell
you they have many.
Teacher workdays.
And I think that's.
Where we.
>> need to.
Continue to.
Provide safe opportunities.
For our youth.
Uh, so.
>> that they have a safe
environment.
And that's all I have.
Again.
>> chief, I appreciate the work
that.
>> you.
And your team are doing to
keep.
Our community safe.
Thank you.
>> to council member perry.
Thank you, MR. Mayor.
Uh, thank you, chief and doctor
stewart and, um, all.
>> the.
Cmpd staff and our partners for
the work that you're doing.
And thank you, uh, to members
of the public who have weighed
in on this and.
Are, um, keen on.
Ensuring that we're investing
in.
>> our youth.
Um.
I've got a couple of questions
because I want to make sure.
I understand the intended cause
and effect here.
Uh.
>> you mentioned a little.
While you all mentioned.
Earlier in your.
Uh in your presentation here.
Some of the other benchmarking
cities.
Um.
>> and you.
>> mentioned that myrtle.
Beach saw a.
Correlation between the.
Their time period, their 9 P.M.
Versus.
Their later.
I'd like to understand a little
bit more about why we believe.
That 9.
>> P.M..
Is the.
Correct time.
>> as it relates to when
incidents are happening.
And then if you could talk to
me a little bit about.
The nature of these activities,
you all have already mentioned
that you've been able to host
several of these activities
without incident.
Uh, for large numbers of teens
.
So I just want to understand a
little bit more about the
factors that you believe.
Are.
>> influencing juvenile crime
and why this is the answer.
Does that make sense?
Yes ma'am.
And thank you doctor watlington
for that.
So we'll start off with you
saying how did we arrive at the
9:00 time frame.
And so really just looking
across at the time where we see
the most youth start to gather
gather and then also to from a
safety perspective that about
9:00.
Is when it.
>> starts to get dark.
Um and so looking at that and
just knowing after it gets dark
typically is when we start to
see the youth congregate and
they're out with our current um
ordinance we have to wait to
10:00 if they're younger
children we have to wait till
11:00 by then is so many young
people in one space.
It's hard to disperse them is
hard to determine who's who and
who MAY have a weapon on them.
So that's where we landed on
the 9 P.M. That is that general
time when it starts to get dark
and we can get a handle on
what's going on and just.
Basic crime theory if you will
forgive me.
I'm obviously not a law
enforcement officer.
Why does it matter if it's dark
as it relates to incident
rates?
right?
>> we just have seen from our
data that after dark under the
cloak of darkness is when we
tend to see crime occur.
The numbers that deputy chief
brawley shared with you we
looked specifically at
victimization after 9 P.M. Just
to see what those numbers were
and we compared them with last
year's numbers with 2025
numbers in 20 in fy 2025 there
were 406 juvenile victims um
after 9 P.M. So that seems to
be the time where we see those
spikes kind of go up with our
crime and that's how we you
know, we use that in
determining as well what a
good.
Time is.
And just for comparison's sake,
do we have.
Those same um, numbers for the
11 P.M. And lighter window?
We is.
>> that additional two.
>> hours right.
We did not pull.
>> those.
Numbers but we certainly can.
>> sure that would be great.
I'd be very interested to.
See uh.
What the.
>> difference would.
Be between those two hours.
Um and.
>> then can.
You speak a little bit to the
nature of.
>> the activity?
Why having.
Structured events.
After 9:00 for teens MAY result
in low.
Incident rate or.
>> no incident rate versus the
un structure.
so since deputy chief bradley
still has young people in the
house, I.
Think she.
She can address.
That probably.
>> better than some of us.
>> perfect.
>> good evening ma'am.
So one of the things and I'll
just use a real life experience
with um, and university at
university.
What?
So, uh, before dark we had a.
>> lot.
Of teens gather and just kind
of walking around the boardwalk
hanging out again as she says
soon as 9:00 darkness hit, um,
ski mask.
Come on.
Hoodies come on.
And then you can just see the
energy and until you are
actually you're in it and feel
it is really hard to.
Explain it.
Um, as we started with.
Educating the.
Kids around there and myself um
,and many of the team from
again uptown and university
division started walking around
and educating kids hey you you
need to go home.
It's getting dark.
I will.
>> say about 300 kids about 75
to 80 were like we just came
here to hangout.
If y'all.
Talk about we got to go home,
we're.
>> going to go home.
And they started calling their
parents and they started going
home to the point where we had
to stop traffic on university
and harris to let parents get
in to come and get their kids
because they genuinely did drop
their kids off to hang out,
unknowing that it was going to
turn into a teen takeover.
Now again though, there are 200
and some.
>> kids who decided to stay.
That's the one video you saw
where the fights began.
Um there were several parents
who were pepper sprayed by
other teens um, trying to get
their children from being
assaulted by.
>> other kids.
Um, obviously.
>> we.
Took a.
>> gun off of a juvenile so a
lot of it is they are looking
for somewhere to hang out a
portion of them but some of
them is not.
And so again, as someone who's
currently raising a 13 year old
who's raised two adult kids now
they are just looking for
somewhere to go safe and with a
major tell us is team and
mecklenburg county sheriff's
office.
They were able to put on these
events that.
Had hundreds of kids at them
with zero incidents because
those kids are looking for
somewhere to hang out and do
something.
But we have to be very
cognizant there are a group and
there's a section ality of kids
who are looking to cause
disturbance and settle disputes
and so they.
Will meet up.
As that place to do it because
they can't you know, school is
out so they're not going to
trespass or something like that
.
That makes sense.
So it sounds like for the
structured events you're a
particular um a particular
seeker if you will shows up for
the structural events because
most of the kids are just
looking for something to do and
it is because there are other
kids around that those who have
other motives are able to come
in and be and be um disruptive.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay.
That makes sense to me.
Um, just a couple more
questions.
I wanted to understand how.
Walk me through for someone who
would say 17 year olds.
Out at 9 P.M. In and of itself
should not be an issue.
We've heard the exceptions.
Um.
If there is an event.
However that's not school
sanctioned for instance they're
going to the movies or
something like that.
Can you walk me through what
implementation looks like in
practice?
Because I heard what you said,
chief in regards to you simply
don't have the staff to try to
catch some of the adult
criminals at this at this stage
.
So certainly you don't have
extra bodies to to be curfew
police.
Um that said what then does
this does this enable you to do
.
How would it look?
Yes ma'am.
>> and so 17 the reason why we
went with 17 is because you
cannot distinguish the age of
these young people and
typically they don't have ids
on them.
So we know and I know for a
fact when I was at at ramiro
bruton bearden park on 4th of
JULY when I approached some
young people just to entertain
just to have conversation with
them the ones who were 18 says
I'm 18, here's my id and they
pulled it out.
The younger ones did not
because they.
>> don't.
Have an id, so it's hard for
us.
To determine the ages of these
youth right?
So 17 is a safe age still.
They're still a minor and they
probably don't have an id card
.
Now the second part of your
question as far as them going
to a movie theater or something
like that so we understand that
is what young people do.
We are not trying to keep them
from doing those things
lawfully that that they enjoy
doing.
However there needs to be
supervision in doing it.
If a parent writes a note
saying that their child can go
to the movies or.
Supervise, we're not.
Out looking.
For those individuals.
In fact, we're not going to be
out looking for teens
necessarily that are outside
leading this ordinance.
We need a tool that when they
do congregate and it starts to
go the route that the deputy
chief talked about where the
ski masks come on and the
hoodie come on we just can't
sit idly by.
We can actually detain them.
We can actually call parents
and that kind of thing.
So that's what we're looking at
.
Now in terms if this passes by
this council, the way we will
implement this is how we do
with many things is a
progressive enforcement that
begins with an education
campaign.
We want people to be well
educated, will work with cms
schools.
All our partners that are in
the audience to get the word
out.
From there we will do lots of
warnings and then when we have
to take enforcement we will
take enforcement.
So that would be the
progressive step that we would
take.
Thank you for that.
And then in the winter time
when it gets dark at 5 P.M. How
are you all thinking about
that?
The hours between 5 to 9 in the
winter time sure.
That's going to be more
challenging of course because
it is dark and you might have
people hanging out.
Um, I think what we're going to
run into kind of the same
issues because it's going to be
dark if they want.
>> to meet.
>> up, they're going.
>> to.
Start meeting up.
We're going to have to kind of
wait until 9 P.M. Before we can
take effective enforcement.
However, I feel that through
the education campaign once the
word gets out parents will know
and we really need parents to
be involved with their youth as
long as they're.
>> doing something.
Productive and they're working,
they're doing whatever they're
going to be covered.
But we want to prevent them
from just getting in those
situations that can cause
violence.
Thank you.
>> and my very last question I
think back to uh, a couple of
years ago where we had these
conversations with the general
assembly around.
>> uh, raising.
The age.
And then lowering the age that
relates to juvenile crime.
Can you just talk to me about
how that overlaps with this
work?
Um, yes.
And I'm going to ask attorney
battle if she would just kind
of address a little bit with
raise.
The age.
>>.
>> I'll just.
Stand so you can see.
Me but.
>> so we raise the age.
>> that where, um, 16 and 17
year olds.
>> were.
Changed for as it relates to
juvenile prosecution and.
So.
>> um.
>> you know, when you think in.
Hindsight sometimes changing
local ordinances.
>> to fit.
State law.
At a concurrent time frame is
helpful.
but I also.
Think changes in data.
Changes in.
>> trend affect.
Laws at a.
>> state level and a local
level.
And so.
This coincides because.
>> a.
Lot of the crimes.
>> that we see 16.
And 17.
>> year olds committing.
After this 9 P.M. Time are
crimes that are non diverting
crimes that can.
Be charged as an adult.
And so if.
Those same.
16 and.
17 year olds are who are.
Oftentimes committing.
These associated firearms
offenses that deputy chief.
Braley talked about if they are
in that curfew time.
Frame again when we.
>> talk.
About youth protection and.
Raising the age, it all.
Coincides because.
That demographic.
>> of youth would.
>> now be required to be inside
earlier for an earlier
restricted hour and not have to
worry about the.
Sort of raise the age issue
with.
>> our 16.
And 17.
>> year olds as well.
Thank you.
Just for planning purposes and
I'm going to come to council
member mayfield next.
Um I am going.
To move.
>> the.
other two.
Items at least one probably
both of the other two items
that are on the action preview
here.
>> to the.
Manager's report.
So that we have time.
>> for the.
We have another matter that we
need to discuss and I want to
start that at least by 6:00.
So if it's possible in our.
Comments we have 15 minutes
before.
6:00 if it's possible.
>> in our comments to avoid
redundancy of questions if
that's.
Possible and just ask the
council members uh please do
that.
Thank you for those questions.
And council member mayfield.
.
Thank you.
Thank you MR. Mayor.
Thank you.
Chief and.
Team and all.
>> of our law enforcement.
.
>> this is getting ready to get
captured in a minute so.
Y'all can give us a report.
For the.
Questions that I'm going to ask
.
Basically I want to have an
understanding.
Of it.
>> was mentioned.
That the.
>> store at the park and rec
passes.
I want to know.
Exactly how.
Those are going to be
distributed.
To the youth.
because of the youth that
we're.
Talking about, our youth.
>> that get.
Together online, then they're
not necessarily the ones that
we're already.
Capturing if they're showing
up.
So it will be helpful to.
>> know exactly how that's
going.
>> to happen.
Also I want to identify.
How the three priority.
Communities were identified
when.
We've seen takeovers.
Happened in.
>> camp north.
,then.
>> in university out at the
outlet.
Potentially can happen.
>> at south park.
I want to know.
Have a better.
Understanding of how these
priority communities were
identified.
I also want to know.
What current.
Organizations do we.
Have that.
Have events at the 9:00 for our
youth?
What I'm sorry one more time
current organizations or.
Partnerships do we.
Have that.
Have events.
Available for our youth at the
9:00?
So back in.
2020 um.
Manager jones.
Knows but and you MAY have
read.
About it mayor.
Harrington in 2020 the.
city partnered with ymca.
We created.
A the.
We supported the level up.
Program which specifically was
a youth play at lock in on.
Fridays and saturdays in the.
Evenings where they had access
.
The biggest.
Challenge with if I'm
understanding.
Correctly is.
That our.
>> youth.
Don't have the same access
that.
>> I.
Had as a child.
Park and rec.
>> is where I live that.
Is very expensive to go.
>> you plan to going to.
East way you're.
Going you're paying to go to
sugarcreek, you're paying.
>> to go to take a key.
So and even.
>> at that.
Their business hours are
daytime business hours.
>> so understanding what.
Actual events do we have a
young.
People that are.
9:00 will be.
Helpful even if.
It's a ymca.
Used to.
>> be 6 to 11.
And it was very targeted.
So having a update on.
The level.
>> up program that restore you
did.
Mention a.
Partnership with the y.
It would also.
>> be.
Helpful to know.
in 2020 2022.
When did it stop?
When did the.
>> programs that.
>> were.
Specifically created.
For outreach to young.
People during.
Those evening hours?
When did that stop.
And to see if there's any data
that correlates.
When we've.
Seen the uptick.
Not to mention.
If you're capturing.
Information are these.
New children um, new residents
?
Are they children.
Of current.
Community that lost access.
To a program?
I also want to know
specifically.
More detail with our.
Partnership with the county.
What exactly.
>> is park and rec doing.
>> to outreach?
Are they.
Opening up.
Their services.
For no.
>> fee because um.
We pay a whole.
>> lot in texas.
Between city and county texas.
That pay for our parks and rec
services.
So it will.
>> be helpful.
>> to.
Have a better.
Understanding of what.
Access to.
>> our young.
>> people here.
Because a lot.
Of us involvement has been here
long enough.
You grew up playing basketball.
You grew up playing soccer.
>> you.
Grew up playing a lot of these.
Things because you.
Had access to it.
That's one of the.
Challenges that.
We're seeing.
But mainly.
I would.
Repeat the.
What current after.
9 P.M. Meeting.
Places have.
Been created.
Specifically for youth.
And lastly.
We put a lot.
Of energy and time in.
>> our.
Relationship with the.
National league of.
>> cities and our.
Membership.
National league of cities has
seven.
Strategies for.
>> cities to increase
meaningful youth.
Engagement for violence.
Reduction has our.
Team chief I'm not even sure if
you're aware.
Of the relationship.
>> that we have with the
national league of cities, but
.
That membership.
They are.
Studies that have.
Already been created with.
Experts around the nation that
looks at the top seven.
Strategies for cities.
Senator voices and experience.
>> of young.
People most.
Directly impacted by the
balance.
Include youth.
And the.
>> creation of the events.
Establish advisory boards.
Invite youth.
Into existing meetings.
Diversify the communication
outlets.
Connect young.
People with their professional
goals and opportunities to
grow.
Integrate youth.
As facilitators and.
Participants into.
Existing programs.
There are models out there we
already have this membership.
So we're not spending money.
On a study.
It would be helpful.
To get that information.
Back and I'm not going to try
to get you to answer all of it
right.
Now chief.
>> because my colleagues also
have questions but those are
the things that will be helpful
for me.
Yes thank you mayor.
Thank you.
Council member mayfield.
Executive council member.
Thank you mayor and.
Thank you chief patterson.
>> you and I have spoken.
>> and I won't.
Belabor the issue.
Um.
For me.
>> to.
Vote in favor of.
This, I'll be candid.
I really would.
Need to.
Have a lot.
More comfort.
With respect.
>> to.
What.
Happens to parents.
We've heard, um, from.
A few.
>> parents over the.
Course of the last few.
Weeks with.
Respect to.
>> job consequences.
>> and.
Other consequences.
>> that are brought to.
Roost with them.
And I'm.
>> just asking perhaps attorney
battle if you.
>> can help me.
Pass the language.
Here that has the parent
responsible.
If knowingly.
Permitting a child.
>> to be out and how that.
Jibes with the exception that.
>> says if a child is running.
>> an.
Errand at.
>> the parents direction.
That seems to be.
Um in.
>> conflict to.
>> a degree.
That feels.
Unworkable for me.
Can you help me understand
that?
Yes, yes.
>> thank you.
Council member.
>> owens.
>> um.
>> I believe that those.
Two areas of the.
Law still.
Intersect in a.
Positive way.
If a parent.
Knowingly allows.
Their minor child.
>> to be out in a.
Way that is.
Not an exception to the curfew
.
Then the parent would be liable
.
Under the.
>> curfew law for.
Their child being out.
However.
>> running an.
Errand is an exception so if
the parent were to be knowingly
aware that their juvenile was
out.
Under one of.
>> the.
Exceptions whether it would.
Be an errand or going to or
from work or out with someone
who's 21 or older.
Than they.
>> would be.
Subject to an exception and
the.
Juvenile nor the.
Parent would be responsible.
>> and so.
>> the only time that the ju.
The juvenile's parent or
guardian would be responsible
under the.
Excuse me under.
>> the.
Ordinance would.
Be if the juvenile were to.
Be out in violation.
>> of the curfew meaning their
actions are not subject.
>> to any exception.
If the.
Juvenile was out under one of.
The exceptions again with.
A 21 year old or with their
parent running an errand out
for an emergency or a.
School event.
If the.
>> juvenile has an exception
to.
be out, then that.
Exception extends.
>> to the parent and the parent
would not be held.
Responsible and.
Charged with a.
Violation under the.
Ordinance is.
When a parent knows that their.
Child is out at a teen.
Takeover for example when the
parent would be.
Responsible.
>> with.
Could I have one follow up?
So just a brief follow up and
again.
>> we can we can talk.
Offline and perhaps you know
when.
>> we.
Bring this.
Back up.
>> you can give me some
additional.
Comfort.
>> what support.
>> attorney.
Battle do we have.
For families.
Who are.
>> having an.
>> issue with a teen who they
are unable to enforce
restrictions.
>> on in a meaningful.
Way either because of their.
Job schedule or.
Because the child is just.
>> quite honestly unruly.
If someone.
Comes to.
The court, what.
Is it.
>> that they're asking for?
>> what support.
>> are we able to give as a
community to prevent them.
From having.
>> an issue?
i think the first level of.
Support starts.
Before a juvenile where to be
charged and that would be
offering parents the resources.
Of juveniles being involved.
In powell um mayor's.
Youth enrichment program reach
program, all of those.
Sorts of things.
I think once we.
Have a.
>> juvenile who.
Is not listening.
To their.
Parents um juvenile court
happens in a couple of.
Different ways.
Some children are abused.
>> and.
Neglected, others are
undisciplined.
Others are.
Delinquent as in criminal.
If a.
Juvenile were to.
Be what we would.
Legally call undisciplined as
in they are skipping school,
they are not listening to.
Their parent.
A juvenile's.
Parent certainly could.
Contact the.
>> department of social
services.
To assist in getting resources
.
And having monitoring on that
situation.
That is not a.
Situation where automatically a
parent's custody rights are at
stake.
It is a.
>> way.
A parent can tell the court
system my child was charged
with a youth ordinance
violation.
my child is undisciplined.
They were out.
I was trying to keep them in
the home and they were not out.
And so.
The judge.
And the department of social
services.
And the department of juvenile
justice can.
Offer resources once.
We get to a.
Situation where we use the
legal.
Definition of a.
Child being.
Undisciplined and they refuse
to follow.
Curfew despite their parent's
best efforts.
>> okay.
Thank you.
Just briefly if you'll follow.
Up again on whether that does.
Prompt the.
>> opening of a.
Neglect case, I've.
>> been told that it does.
And that gives me pause.
Thank you.
,councilmember owens.
>> if I can I can just address
that as well because I had the
conversation this morning with
our district attorney um,
similar to that matter.
Um, they do have diversion
programs.
We are not trying to get in a
habit of where a parent or a
teen is in the criminal justice
system um per se, so they do
the district attorney's office
to do diversion.
They do classes where the
parent has to do a parenting
class so that the charge is.
That it.
>> isn't on the record.
Essentially.
and likewise council.
>> member.
Owens I think.
It's a situation where.
In general a.
Lot of.
>> curfew violations.
>> I could.
>> see.
Being diverted especially.
If it is a first time offender
versus a child.
Who has.
Other pending.
Criminal matters or.
Is a.
>> repeat curfew.
Violation or.
Excuse me.
>> a repeat curfew violator.
But once.
>> at the.
Courthouse the.
>> department of juvenile.
Justice as.
>> in.
Deja will take a holistic.
Look at a child who is charged
.
>> with.
A.
Juvenile offense.
And if.
There were to be factual.
Circumstances that.
>> led to a neglect.
Case that.
Could happen.
But that.
>> is not automatic under the
law for a curfew.
Violation it will be facts.
>> and circumstances.
Within the knowledge.
Of the court or dj.
That could turn into an.
Abuse, neglect.
Or dependency.
Case but it would not.
Stem from the charge itself
directly or not automatically.
Thank you council member owens
council member male.
Thank you.
Um I.
>> had.
A quick question.
>> can.
Staff show us like a map maybe
at a later time of where the
youth opportunities actually
exist and where you have these
partnerships?
Uh.
>> my concern is that there's a
gap in that um.
Particularly when.
>> we're talking about steele
creek.
Nations ford is it a continuous
conversation with our county
commissioners, the fact that.
There is a.
Lack of um, recreation centers
or place for.
Kids to go.
And then it exacerbates.
These kind of issues.
Um.
>> so I'm.
>> just.
Curious based.
>> on the programing that you
all are already doing, how
equitable is that and is are we
really thinking through the
needs of our community?
So looking forward to seeing.
That on the map.
To see.
Where is it occurring.
And I'm hoping that we're
using.
Data to think where should it
occur in the future and how
can.
>> we bring all our various
partners, particularly our
county partners.
Who need.
>> to bring.
Additional resources like
recreation.
Centers to.
Steele creek and nations
forward?
Thank you.
>> thank you.
Council member mayo.
Council member.
Driggs thank.
>> you, MR. Mayor.
So I.
>> believe this is a very.
Serious issue.
It's part of what.
I consider to be a troubling
breakdown.
In in.
Civil conduct noisy cars.
Road racing.
Uh.
,retail theft.
So we have to fight back.
I get.
>> that I appreciate what.
Cmpd is doing and intend to
support.
What you're doing.
Uh, I will.
Just point out I have a
concern.
Somewhat along the lines, uh.
Of, uh.
Council member.
Owens in that, uh, I would.
Estimate that of.
The population.
Of charlotte.
About 200,000.
Are below the age.
Of 1817.
>> and under.
Uh.
>> about 60,000 round.
Numbers are.
Uh in the 13.
>> to.
17 bracket.
And how many of those.
>> are actually offenders?
How many of them are actually
causing this.
Problem and how many others
will be limited.
>> in.
Their freedom because we have
to address.
>> this.
Issue and.
In particular I would highlight
the fact.
>> that.
I think.
>> the.
Offenders are the ones who are
least likely to obey their
parents.
Uh and.
So you have.
>> this.
Strange situation where we're
cracking.
Down and.
>> the.
Problem exists.
Precisely with.
>> the people.
>> that won't.
Uh, listen to.
Their parents.
And then you have this, um.
Recourse to the parents in
which they are.
Exposed to penalties.
So I.
>> guess my.
Question would.
>> just be will parents have a.
Defense against liability for.
>> these fines because.
They are in a.
Situation where their child is
out of control?
But dc.
Thank you sir for that
question.
So I will say oftentimes and
and this is practical
application I've seen it I've
been a part of it.
Um if we pick up your juvenile
after curfew obviously we make
the phone call.
We have had multiple incidents
where a parent has said hey.
You know.
As chief uh, that.
Um MISS.
Battle said my.
>> child is undisciplined.
I've reported him missing 14
times in two months.
They won't go to school.
>> they won't listen to me.
You guys bring them home and
they walk.
>> right out the back door,
right?
We're not giving that parent a
citation because those are
conversations that they're
having with the.
Supervisors.
>> with our team, with the
officer.
>> that has that child.
>> in.
Their custody at that time.
And so this is not a situation
where the parent shows up to
get their kid and they're
immediately handed a citation.
There are multiple
conversations that are taking
place and I've been part of
those conversations.
I've seen them happen where we
sit down and.
>> we try.
>> to give that parent
resources so there are
opportunities where we are able
to pull that juveniles uh,
information up to see if indeed
that parents account is true.
And now often times in
different cases it is true and
we try to connect them with as
many.
resources as we can to try to
help that parent out.
Right.
>> it means that you will have
to use uh, a certain amount of
judgment in your administration
of these rules both as it
relates to the uh uh, who's out
and what they're doing and as
it relates.
So I appreciate that you have a
tool here that can be brought
to bear against the juvenile or
the parent and uh.
I trust cmpd to use that
authority judiciously and and
not penalize people who.
Really aren't.
Guilty of anything.
So thank.
You for what you're doing.
Thank you, MR. Driggs.
Thank you.
Council member driggs I think
next is council member graham.
.
>> and I'll be quick.
MR. Mayor, I understand your
time limit at 6:00.
I just.
Wanted to thank.
Uh, cmpd and chief patterson
for your leadership on on this
particular issue.
I was, uh.
>> at university city, uh,
joined the teen takeover and.
>> uh.
It was.
Um.
>> different at best.
Uh, for sure there was a
news article uh, interview
where three football players
actually supported high school
football players supported the
teen curfew uh, and wanted.
Restrictions and.
Guidelines for themselves as
well as their peers.
but they also wanted something
to do as well right where they
can go for a safe space uh and
be responsible and.
Hanging out and.
>> doing things that teenagers
do.
And so I do.
>> want to.
Echo some of that.
>> my comments.
In reference to really making
sure that this is.
An intentional.
Year round when something
happens, not when.
There's a shooting on on new
year's eve, not when there's a
teen take over.
We have to be very intentional
about interacting and engaging
our our young people every day
of the year and we have to have
some collaboration with
mecklenburg county and parks
and recreation and how these
rec centers are being utilized
all over the city.
Uh, for sure.
Uh, and and we have to answer
the question about all the
schools that are sitting empty
during the summer months with
pools and gymnasium and and
empty classroom space where
they can do a live variety of
things.
If we come together as a
community and fund those
activities and utilizing these
schools uh council member male
throughout the county
throughout the city.
Lastly there is a teen takeover
that I'm aware of.
Uh, it's a positive thing
OCTOBER 24th and district two
at the balloon studios there uh
is an art take over mural
painting uh canvas painting,
drawing, sketching uh recording
studio all will be in the iron
district.
It will be from 4 to 8 P.M.
Before the curfew takes place.
And so this is an example of
where parents are coming
together trying to organize
creative activities for their
kids.
So we need to the school system
the county nonprofit
organization and churches to be
very intentional every day of
the year.
Not until there's a major
incident and then everyone is
excited about helping the
youth.
Uh, and then four weeks from
now we're off to something
else.
Thank you.
>> council member graham
council member johnson.
Thank you.
>> mayor.
Um.
>> what happens.
If the.
Curfew is violated.
If the.
Curfews violated there's a
couple of things.
One is our officers will take
detain the youth.
We'll call their parents, we'll
talk to the parents.
Um, if warranted, let's say
this is about the third time or
something like that this is
occurred and they would do a.
Juvenile arrest.
>> on them.
The officers.
Have discretion in that area
and if this is passed like I
stated earlier we would start
with the education campaign and
then from there warnings and
then enforcement.
So you're.
>> keeping.
Track of the children that you
detained?
Yes we're able to do that.
Okay.
>> and if they're 16 or 17
years.
Old and.
>> they're.
Arrested are they charged.
>> as an adult?
No.
>> no.
>> jessica do you want to.
Clarify that.
>> yes.
Or no okay.
They are not.
>> charged.
As an adult.
But they.
Is that a misdemeanor?
It will go to juvenile.
Court um as a.
Misdemeanor and it will be.
It will be heard there.
The only time.
>> they might be charged with
an adult.
Is if.
>> there's an accompanying.
Offense that would make.
>> them as a 16 or 17 year old.
Held as an adult.
Right?
>> that would.
>> be.
The crime anyway, right?
But I mean.
>> just for the curfew alone.
Yeah.
>> no juvenile court.
Okay, so you say.
That if they're if they have a
note from.
>> their.
Parent or they're on their way
from work if they're in a car,
are they able to be pulled over
for curfew violation.
Probable curfew.
Violation legally if you look.
>> at the.
Black and white.
Letter of the law seeing.
>> a.
Minor out who is.
In the.
>> age demographic.
>> of the curfew.
That would.
Give law enforcement.
Reasonable suspicion to stop a
vehicle.
However, chief.
Patterson has authority.
>> to set directives on how and
when officers were.
>> to.
Work would enforce the curfew.
But yes, it would be a
reasonable suspicion.
To stop a vehicle.
Thank you.
Do we have.
A youth.
>> council where we're hearing
from the youth?
Actually we do.
>> and.
I have uh, major tell us is
here I know where in the
interest of time we can get
more information but we do we
did reach out to the youth even
at the beginning of the summer
to get ideas on things that
they would like done.
So we will get that compiled
and major tells will make sure
we get that over to you okay.
And then one of the slides.
Said if a.
Business knowingly.
I'm looking for this slide.
If a.
Business knowingly.
supports curfew violation the
business can.
Be penalized.
So if a if a.
Uh teenager.
Goes out to dinner after a
football game.
They're in a restaurant.
The restaurant is.
Responsible or who has that
business.
Affected?
>> I believe.
The intent or spirit.
>> of that particular part of
the exception is.
>> for.
Businesses that.
>> encourage juveniles.
>> to.
Violate the curfew.
.
>> um.
Businesses that.
>> conduct sort.
>> of.
Juvenile dance halls or.
Juvenile clubs that.
Allow juveniles to be out in
violation of.
The curfew.
With the intent of violating
the curfew.
>> and breaking the law.
But it wouldn't be something.
>> where.
Cmpd would be.
Curfew police.
Going to different restaurants
to look.
For juveniles.
But if you allowed.
An unlawful.
Assembly of.
>> juveniles to occur in your
business.
You could.
>> be held responsible for.
Allowing that.
Restricted violation.
but the offense is the same
regardless of the intent, right
.
It is.
However I believe.
The intent.
Goes to the enforcement.
>> of.
It in that.
Cmpd would not go.
>> out not going into
restaurants or movie theaters.
Looking for juveniles.
But if it were.
Intended to be.
A teen toake.
Teen excuse.
Me teen takeover.
Hosted inside of a.
Business um.
That would.
Be where that particular part
of the.
Law takes place.
We don't usually see that.
That's a where charge it's.
Typically the.
Juveniles and.
>> or their caregivers.
That's fine.
Just a couple more questions I
told you mayor this is going.
I mean.
>> this is an important topic
and we should be able to ask
these questions.
Okay.
Um.
The object or the intent.
Or the purpose.
>> is to address the.
Teen takeovers.
That's why we're.
That's why.
>> we're discussing this today.
Is this a.
Temporary measure?
I would like to see this
permanent um certainly if if
like myrtle beach if we impose
this and then we start to see
reductions, we are seeing where
teens are not being harmed or
hurt, then that's something
else we could bring back to you
for modification.
But we would like it to be a
permanent change.
So could we increase.
The can.
We bring.
In some of these youth to look
at social media and to stop.
These teen.
Takeovers before.
They start?
I heard.
That there's been some activity
and there's been some
monitoring and.
Because of that some.
Of the.
Planned events have fizzled out
.
Is that true in terms you're
saying some of it has feels
like recent reduction due to
our monitoring.
So we had how many teen
takeovers dc riley.
Um that we knew of the.
Exact number that we responded
.
>> to.
Over the summer were six.
Okay.
>> what I would like to see is
some of these solutions.
Enacted and.
Maybe I don't know.
Before we.
Enacted a curfew.
Or you know, maybe a temporary
curfew and then we take a look.
At, you know, opening up these
third.
Places working with the county
I think this is an as an in
governance.
as a.
Governance intergovernmental
issue the county in the.
State we need solutions.
There's not.
>> a skating.
>> rink.
In a.
Reasonable district in this
city.
So if we want to fund.
Something instead of.
Increasing criminal I mean
there's cates.
But if you're in the university
it's very, very far.
So if.
>> we want to fund.
Something or be.
Intentional about something.
Let's be intentional about.
Third places or solutions.
>> are helping the youth.
>> you know we have a.
>> we have universities we.
Can work with them.
Maybe there's some options I
just don't want.
And I said I was not going.
To you know.
>> I was.
Going to just be neutral.
>> and.
Really listen.
>> but I don't support.
Increasing um.
Interaction with.
Our youth and.
Um.
.
And.
Police on a negative.
Basis or.
Possibly impacting their
criminal record and their
future if there's something
more that we can do.
So I think we.
>> should.
Take a look at other options.
before we.
>> proceed.
>> especially when you.
>> talk about parents being
responsible.
I've spoken to a parent that's
asked for help numerous times.
Her child is committing crimes
and.
She can't get any help.
So we.
Have to look at this
realistically.
>> in my opinion.
But you.
>> know when the chief says if
you if you don't do something.
Children are going to die.
>> I mean.
>> that's something we also
have the responsibility we want
to protect our.
Youth but protecting them is
also.
Providing solutions and
protecting their future as well
.
Thank you.
Thank you council member
johnson council member MISS
Various.
Thank you mayor.
Uh thank.
>> you.
Chief and thank.
You uh staff.
For really.
Putting this presentation.
>> I really.
Appreciate it.
I take.
Particular interest.
>> in.
This issue.
Uh.
>> being the council.
Member closer.
>> to.
Being a.
Teenager.
>> uh uh, just ten.
>> years ago.
Um.
>> and so, um.
You know, and I and I start.
>> with.
That because.
Ten years ago there.
>> were.
Pools, there were bowling
alleys.
There are.
>> places for.
Myself and.
>> my friends to.
Go to.
That a lot of places now impose
restrictions for young people
to be at.
I have.
>> a.
Uh.
>> 18 year old sister.
>> who.
I just asked.
Recently what.
Does she do for fun?
And the only place she was.
>> able.
To say.
>> it was.
>> south.
Park because everywhere else
um, is for folks that are.
21 and up.
And during.
>> the world.
Cup I.
>> had.
Family visiting.
>> from colombia which.
By the way.
Colombia is.
>> in my thoughts and.
Prayers today after the.
Earthquake that they
experienced.
Um and and we kind of watch.
>> a.
World cup.
game because a lot of our bars
and restaurants.
Impose 21 and up restrictions.
Right.
>> and so.
Intentionally or.
Unintentionally um.
Our policy decisions.
>> and the business
environment.
That we've.
>> created has.
Made the.
>> city and my belief.
Unsustainable for.
>> a.
Younger people.
Uh, to really thrive.
>> in.
And get involved in.
Um.
>> so I.
And I take the.
Recent youth.
Takeovers and.
>> safety concerns seriously.
Uh.
>> but I do.
>> believe.
We should.
>> target harmful conduct.
Not make.
Simply being young and.
Outside after 9 P.M..
Grounds for.
Police intervention.
I think the proposal right now.
>> as.
It stands.
Would impose.
Uh, the.
9 P.M. Curfew on.
Everyone under 18 and I.
>> do.
Think that's extremely.
Uh, a broad response to.
Incidents involving a.
Much smaller.
>> number of incidents.
We heard.
>> just now.
Six incidents.
Right.
Um.
>> the uh.
I also have some.
Concerns as well.
Because we're not.
Getting much.
Help from.
>> the state.
We're seeing gaps.
Within our the.
County um, as well.
As uh our schools.
Uh.
>> we mentioned empty.
School buildings.
Throughout the summer.
Um.
And also my concern about our.
County jail system and.
How, you know, we have violent.
Criminals who.
Commit to commit.
Violent offenses.
Who are let out.
>> of.
Jail uh, five hours later, you
know, and and so how are we
going to keep.
>> at pace with this?
Um.
So I have a few.
Questions and.
>> I don't.
Want to.
>> uh, be later the point but,
um.
I currently.
>> don't support this as it is
.
Without a.
>> complimentary humanitarian.
Youth centered.
Solution attached to it.
Um.
>> some questions and follow
ups.
that we.
>> can take offline are one.
I would like to see.
>> the data.
On the.
>> effectiveness of youth
curfews.
Um, as.
Uh I did my research.
Systemic uh, systematic.
Review of 12 studies.
>> found.
No meaningful evidence.
That youth curfews reduce crime
.
Or victimization.
Um, a curfew.
MAY disperse.
One gathering.
But it.
>> could.
Simply push.
Young people into.
Different and potentially.
Less safe.
>> locations for.
>> their teen takeovers.
Uh, perhaps.
>> in the woods and the.
Forest places you.
Know where we will have no idea
where they're at.
Um.
>> the other thing I have a.
Question on is the sister.
Cities examples.
Um.
>> I saw that there's.
They're they're.
>> much more flexible.
With myrtle.
>> beach having a, uh.
Youth curfew 17.
>> years old.
>> and.
Younger citywide at midnight.
Atlanta 17 year.
Olds and.
>> younger sunday through
thursday.
11 P.M. To 6.
>> A.M..
Friday and saturday.
Midnight to 6:06 A.M..
And then nashville.
18 years.
>> old and.
Under sunday through thursday
11 P.M..
>> to 5.
A.M. Friday and saturday.
12 A.M. To 5 A.M..
And with the summer.
Exception all curfews are from
12.
>> A.M. To 5 A.M..
From JUNE.
1st to AUGUST 31st.
So I.
Do would like to know.
Why ours is a little less
flexible and more uh, strict.
Um and.
>> what what uh.
Studies and data led.
To that.
Um solution.
Being presented.
The third thing is we as a
council and we've heard this
from uh, cmpd as well we have
limited resources.
Uh, they're scarce.
And so we also heard.
You know, we won't have no
curfew.
Police.
>> well, then.
>> I.
Asked them why a curfew.
And then.
But but that really.
Ultimately leads.
>> to another broader
conversation.
How will.
We have.
The capacity.
And resources to process curfew
violations, particularly when
we have a lot of targeted
operations happening.
>> in center.
City that are taking those
resources away from other
districts?
Um.
>> and then and.
>> I hope this is jotting down
and.
>> I don't expect.
>> the answers right.
Now I just want to make.
Sure it's.
Brought in in.
>> the.
Meeting notes.
Um, the.
Office of youth opportunities I
want to hone in.
>> on that.
>> I know.
>> you.
Said not to.
Be redundant.
>> but I just.
Want to make sure it's out
there.
Um.
>> what results have they
produced.
And why are sustained youth.
Investments not a central
component.
>> of our corridors of
opportunity programing?
Uh.
>> particularly because.
>> I.
Have not seen that in the east
side.
I do not see.
Youth programing attached to
corridors.
>> of opportunity.
Funding happening the east side
.
Um and then I want to.
Touch base on municipal service
districts.
so in locations such.
As the.
>> university broadwalk
boardwalk what responsibilities
should property owners,
security providers.
And municipal.
>> service districts.
Uh carry instead of relying on
a.
Citywide youth curfew?
Um and then my last question.
Will the ordinance include.
>> a.
Sunset date.
And independent.
Evaluation and the data.
Does indeed.
Show and this.
Council decides.
To pass.
>> it.
Uh pass this ordinance.
Uh.
>> does.
Not if the data shows that it
won't reduce.
Teen takeovers or improve.
Safety or that enforcement is
racially.
Disproportionate because we did
see that what.
>> was the.
>> number 91%.
91% of.
Victims are black and.
Hispanic or latino.
Will it automatically expire?
So those are some.
Questions I want to put.
>> it out there.
And um.
Just being conscious of time.
Um I we.
>> can follow up on.
>> that.
But thank you so much.
Yes sir.
Thank you.
>> council member maxwell you
must.
Suara arias.
Council member anderson.
I think.
>> you have the.
Last question.
Thank you, MR. Mayor.
It gets a.
Little I.
>> gotta get.
>> used to say.
MR. Mayor here.
Uh, but thank you, MR. Mayor
and thank you, council for a
very good conversation on this
topic that the safety committee
has, uh, delved.
Into a lot of really good
questions and perspectives.
One thing I will say and I want
to.
Thank the chief and and her
team.
For all of.
>> the work that they've done.
You know both you know, I would
say you know inside the
building.
Doing the research.
>> and collecting all of this
data and information but also
equally if not more importantly
out on the streets.
Engaging with.
>> our.
Youth and our residents to try
to curtail some of these
events.
Um, one of the most important
things I think we get a lot of
comments around.
How we'd.
Like to hold some of our
partners accountable for their
work and their efforts in a
collaborative nature, but the
reality is the structure of our
state and therefore the
structure of our local
municipal government we don't
have the same um, you know, the
same.
Ownership or managerial rights
as some other cities have.
So there's a reason that
there's a board of county
commissioners.
>> and they.
Have a.
Charter and a purview.
There's a reason that there's a
uh, cms school board and they
have a charter.
>> and a purview.
Many of the cities that we look
at especially within our size
as we're growing, they have
different governmental
structures.
Some of them.
Do.
>> some of them don't.
We happen to not have park and
recs under our purview.
That should not, however, deter
us.
From doing all.
We can within the scope of our
charter and within the scope of
our safety measures.
>> to.
Ensure that our our.
Children and our residents are
safe and we can encourage our
partners to do as much as they
can.
You know, I think that, um,
slide ten sort of speaks for
itself and uh, right, wrong or
indifferent we're saying that
um, our black and brown and
latino uh.
Juveniles are being victimized
at a higher rate.
That's just that's real
information.
It's not anecdotal.
It's real information.
Um and then when we look at the
the percentage of those victims
that are 16 to 17 that's that's
a third of all of those um
points of victimization.
And right there within the
space and I've had lots of
conversations with residents
and have received a lot of
information um, and spoken with
folks but really within the
space of 16 and 17 is really
when you get in that gray area
where something can really
escalate off of something like
a curfew violation to some type
of violent interaction where
then you are deemed to give
that permission to the courts
to decide and exercise
judgment.
If a 17 year old should be
charged as an adult or should
have the responsibility of an
adult, it just goes down into a
rabbit hole that I think we
need to be proactive as
municipal leaders about.
Um we also already have a
curfew ordinance so this is not
something that we're creating
from a greenfield perspective.
There is a curfew ordinance on
the books now and today 13 year
olds can stay out until 11 P.M.
And I love being outside.
When I was a young kid and had
a bicycle and want to do all
that kind of stuff but you know
,it's 1045 11:00 a time for a
13 or 14 year old to play
unsupervised.
Um, that's really a question
around are we exposing them to
higher uh, moments of
potential.
Victimization or can we do
something protective to ensure
that, um.
Anything we're doing as a city
council would help protect them
and give their parents
opportunities.
So in closing, you know, this
is our, uh, first conversation.
Of course we'll come back to
council to, um, answer some of
these questions.
But I would also encourage
council if you.
Didn't see or view or
participate in the public
safety committee meeting, you
know, go back and review
several of you were there and
thank you for your engagement.
But this is a really important
topic and it's it's I think
it's going to be difficult to
appease every single person.
But as we've heard six youth
have lost their life due to gun
violence.
I think that's one too many and
clearly 600% too many and we
have to create spaces of course
in third spaces and collaborate
.
But really and truly the onus
is on us under our charter and.
>> our.
Purview as a city council of
charlotte, north carolina to do
as much as we can to protect
our young people.
Thank you mayor.
Thank you, council member
anderson I know there are
others who MAY want to make
comments.
We have had a chance for
everyone to make one comment or
ask.
To have one set of comments.
Or ask.
>> questions and so I want to.
Hold it there because I know
this is going to come back to
us in some form.
Um, but I want to make sure
that we are evenhanded.
>> and how.
>> we have the round of
questions.
Um great discussion.
Important issue as council
member johnson has said.
Uh, chief patterson.
Thank you very much.
Are there.
Any final comments that.
>> you'd like to make?
>> no, that is it.
Thank you MR. Mayor.
Thank you council.
Thank you very much.
All right.
I think we're going to flex a
little bit and.
Skip down to the parking and
sidewalk ordinance.
Uh, revision uh if manager if
that's okay with you, uh, and
we will hold.
The other item uh, until your
uh, report during the session
downstairs.
Absolutely.
>> and mayor and members of
council before I turn it over
to council member.
Graham I.
I do want to make.
If we could uh if folks could
please we're um we've got
limited time.
Please be as quiet as you can
exiting and moving around.
Uh, and if council would give
attention to the manager.
Thank you.
>> mayor.
Friend.
Uh.
>> mayor members of council
before I.
Turn it over to council member
graham.
For the.
>> sidewalk parking.
I do want to.
>> make sure I mention one
thing about the collaboration
between the city, the county
and the school system.
Uh.
>> county manager.
Uh, brian is out of town and
I'd hate for him to come back.
And, um.
Me not at least say that, uh,
doctor stewart and dcm hafner
have been working with cms
staff as well as the county
staff specifically nick walker
.
Who's the.
>> parks and rec director for
many of the questions that
you've had tonight.
Um.
>> for us to have different
schedules with different camps
and things like that, it's just
not a great way to operate.
So uh they have been working on
that for a while and.
So uh, more to come with that.
Thanks.
>> council member gray.
Thank you, MR. Mayor.
Um, uh, entering community
relations director terry
bradshaw and the assistant city
attorney presented a proposal
ordinance amendment addressing
sidewalk parking asking the
committee to advance it to the
full council because our time
sensitive nature uh, MR.
Bradley explained that the
issue was identified through
the city's um, americans with
disabilities act ada program
after staff recognized and
operational camp conflicting
language in the city code of
ordinance uh the action is the
council the committee rather uh
made a recommendation to the
full council to um amend the um
the ordinance for consideration
at the AUGUST 10th meeting.
And so they're here to provide
an overview of that uh, meeting
that we had uh, with the budget
and governance committee.
Um, MR. Attorney, MR. Brantley.
So good evening.
I think.
Of this, uh.
Um good evening.
>> um.
MR. Mayor, um.
Members of.
>> council and.
MR. Manager.
Uh.
>> I'm here as the interim
director of community relations
department and.
>> the.
City of.
>> charlotte ada.
Um.
>> um, coordinator I'm here
this evening just to briefly.
>> give you some.
Context.
>> um, over the sidewalk.
Obstruction that we wanted to.
>> kind.
Of bring to your attention.
Um, the.
>> parking ordinance amendment
that you're about to hear.
From our.
>> city attorney's office, um,
is.
Um, an.
Issue that.
>> really impacts.
Um.
>> not just.
>> just the.
>> disability community.
But.
>> uh, pedestrians.
Um.
>> this is about safety.
Um, as we used.
Um, the.
sidewalk is a path of travel.
We're also looking at
opportunities where.
People have to step.
>> off.
The.
Curb to.
Get into.
Oncoming traffic and that's a.
Uh.
>> a safety.
Issue that.
>> we want to be mindful of.
Um.
>> so we we.
Get the complaint.
Um.
>> by way of it came to the.
Ada program.
And we met with different
departments um, that um.
We collaborated with with cmpd
.
As well as.
Cdot and other agencies to
kind.
>> of.
Talk about.
What are the.
Ways that we can kind of
resolve.
>> this.
Issue that's kind of ongoing.
Um, and with that, um, we came
up with something that was
probably.
Showing some.
Conflict in.
Um the language in the um in
the ordinance and we have our
senior attorney.
Lisa flowers is.
>> going to.
Walk us through.
Uh, what.
>> that language um, is and
what we were recommending that
it be changed to.
>> so with.
That, um, lisa flowers.
good evening.
Mayor council.
Um.
.
Manager's office.
And others.
In the room.
Um.
>> so as.
>> terry mentioned, this.
Is about.
>> sidewalk parking.
Um.
>> our current.
Ordinance language.
Creates some challenges.
For enforcement.
Clarity and.
Community safety.
And so.
Why we're.
>> here.
Is the.
Pgr committee was.
Charged with reviewing the
ordinances.
And we found.
That two of.
>> the.
Ordinances that.
>> speak to sidewalk.
Parking were.
>> not fully.
Aligned.
>> and so why is this.
>> a problem?
Um.
>> it MAY seem like a small.
Nuisance but as.
Terry mentioned it.
Can cause.
Um problems for.
Our disability community.
Um.
Even if.
>> a.
Vehicle is.
Partially obstructing.
>> a.
Sidewalk it can.
create a.
Complete barrier to.
Someone in a wheelchair.
Um, somebody pushing a, uh,
stroller or someone just trying
to walk down the street to.
Safely.
>> also sidewalks are part of
our.
>> right of way system.
And vehicles creeping into that
pedestrian.
Zone sort.
>> of breaks.
Down the function of that
pedestrian.
Zone.
>> the impacts.
Um, is if the.
Sidewalks not.
>> usable then pedestrians end
up in the street and this is
especially.
Risky for.
Kids and the elderly.
But then there's also broader
policy.
Implications sends the.
Message that.
>> our.
Pedestrian zone secondary.
We lose.
>> that sense of.
Neighborhood connectivity.
And then as as we've already.
Mentioned the.
Ada compliance.
Issue if.
The sidewalk.
>> is blocked.
It's inaccessible.
To individuals with
disabilities.
Also it damages the sidewalks.
>> our sidewalks.
>> are not.
Made to be to handle vehicles.
And so it can cause an.
Increased cost to.
The city.
for and work time.
So these are the two provisions
.
Groups did not go there you go
.
These are the two ordinance.
Provisions um that address
sidewalk parking.
And they both.
Prohibit parking on the
sidewalks.
>> but 114 dash.
130 has an exception.
For driveways.
And because they.
>> don't.
Align.
>> uh.
.
That.
Risks inconsistent.
Enforcement and potential uh.
Citation disputes.
So to eliminate.
>> the.
Simplest way.
Was just.
To eliminate that.
Uh.
>> exception from.
>> 14 dash.
130.
>> this um, clarifies that.
Parking is.
Not allowed at all on the
sidewalk.
>> makes a clear just.
Standard um.
Makes enforcement.
Easier.
>> improves consistency and
strengthens.
>> our.
Accessibility.
>> so this shows.
And the.
Committee did vote.
>> to.
Send this.
Uh, approve this change to send
it to this full council and
this.
>> is.
The change.
Basically just.
>> to eliminate.
That exception.
Language everything else.
Stays the same.
>> and 14 dash 130.
And I'll take any questions.
>> if anybody.
Has any.
Questions questions.
Council member johnson or
council member mayfield.
Thank you mayor.
.
Thank you for.
The presentation.
So the only question I'm gonna
ask for this particular example
is.
Delivery drivers.
So ups doesn't pull into
residential.
Homes anymore.
We have a lot of area.
Where the sidewalk.
Is right up on the street.
They don't pull into the
driveway so they pull.
Literally pull up on sidewalks
.
In order.
To not.
Be in traffic because it's one
way so.
Whether it's ups or other some
some other.
Large vehicle how does this
apply.
To delivery.
And or pickup.
Services in the city?
When we do a lot of we have a
lot of services that do.
That today.
Technically that's a violation
but.
um, if it's if it's a.
Temporary uh.
Issue I don't think it would.
Cause a concern.
>> as much.
We do have the concern of.
>> it.
Being on the the.
Sidewalk.
.
But.
Uh, just.
>> a temporary.
Measure and then.
And then.
>> they're delivering a.
Package and leaving.
>> I think.
Uh.
>> it'd be.
Difficult to catch that.
For one.
But, um.
So you're what I'm thinking and
could please.
Correct me if, um if this is
accurate.
.
>> what you all are.
Anticipating is in residential
neighborhood when.
>> you have people that.
Are visiting or you.
Have a have a.
Vehicle overnight or for an
extended period of.
Time where they're.
You got a small.
Driveway that's made.
>> for two vehicles but you
have.
Three or more vehicles so they
are blocking the actual
sidewalk instead of either
parking on the street or in the
designated driveway.
That's what you're anticipating
correct?
Thank you.
>> thank you council member
mayfield council member johnson
.
Thank you mayor.
So the purpose.
>> of this is to serve
individuals.
Um who are and.
Like have.
>> mobility challenges.
>> is that.
The purpose of doing this.
?
>> it's for everybody.
>> but it did come in through.
Uh a complaint.
>> an ada.
Complaint okay.
An ada complaint.
So there there's a term I was
talking to a developer today
and he used the term drive
appearance.
I think those are shorter
driveways.
Um.
>> so I'd like.
To hear from.
Planning if we could.
If that's.
>> a thing.
>> are we.
Moving towards.
Shorter driveways in the city
if there's, um what's the.
Requirement for the driveway
length?
Um.
>> because if.
>> we're allowing shorter
driveways, drive aprons.
This seems like the conflict.
In what we're building.
And what we're trying to solve
.
Also does this apply to defined
vehicles?
Does it apply to scooters.
On sidewalks?
It it does not.
Apply to scooters on sidewalks
.
There's the.
There's an.
>> exception it's a.
Well if you look at the.
251 it.
Mentions in.
>> 14 dash 130 um.
That it.
>> does not.
Include um.
E-bikes and.
Scooters except.
>> for.
14 two and.
51 does.
Prohibit them.
>> from parking on the
sidewalks in a.
Certain area.
>> of.
Uptown there's a.
Geo fenced.
Area in.
Uptown where.
>> they're not.
Allowed on.
>> the sidewalks.
So my concern and I was on a
call in uh, council member
mitchell was mayor pro tem was
on the call also and there was
a developer who said well,
they're inexpensive.
They only have.
>> one car garage.
Yeah.
So that's kind.
Of where.
Attainable housing.
>> is going.
Um, one call.
Car garage sure.
Shorter driveways.
Um and so.
People almost.
>> need to buy the one car
garage in order to be able to
afford to live here.
So if they're not allowed to
park in their driveway I think
I'd have a concerned about that
.
I'd rather see an exception in
someone's home in their.
Driveway because people have,
you know.
More than one car.
You know you have to have more
people in the house to.
Afford to live here.
Right?
So I think we have to be
careful.
>> with that.
I'd rather see the the
exception for scooters being
parked on the driveway than not
being able to park.
>> in your own driveway.
They can still park.
>> in their driveway they just.
>> need.
To be.
Totally in.
>> their driveway.
What we're seeing like.
>> in.
This.
Particular neighborhood.
>> where we got the complaint.
Um.
>> is they.
Weren't pulling.
>> all the way.
Into their driveway.
They're just.
Stopping at.
>> the at the bottom where the
the sidewalk is.
And that.
>> is an ada violation.
Um uh.
If if the doj.
Were to come in.
They would.
Say that.
If we're not enforcing our.
Making our.
Sidewalks accessible.
i know there's.
>> a neighborhood in the itj
and they're not allowed to park
for their cars to block the
driveway, but it.
Really is.
>> problematic for the people
that.
Live there.
So okay.
Thank you.
Council member MR..
Harris.
>> thank you.
>> mayor.
Uh.
>>.
Thank.
You so much for the
presentation.
Um, my.
Questions are aligned.
With council member mayfield
and council member johnson.
Uh, when.
>> it.
Comes to.
Social gatherings.
Um, that folks.
My host and I my concern is
particularly.
>> with.
The the speed.
Of us approving.
Rezonings for a townhome.
Um neighborhoods that have.
And colleagues.
Uh you all might remember we
have.
Some debate.
About the.
>> length of the streets and
uh.
You know how many emergency.
Vehicles can come in and out
and whether there are enough
exits available for this?
Um.
>> and so I.
Think uh.
>> and.
This can.
>> be uh.
Answered offline.
Um.
>> you know, it's this.
Transitional uh.
We have the.
Mobility plan.
>> and the.
Sales tax that is coming.
Into effect.
Uh, I know we're.
Trying to transition uh.
Into becoming a less car
dependent city.
Uh.
>> but as well we are making.
Decisions.
>> uh, vr zoning meetings where
we are.
Um.
>> uh, embracing.
High density.
And and very narrow driveways
and narrow streets.
Um.
>> while at the same.
Time people.
Will continue to.
>> be gathering.
Um and so I'm wondering if if.
>> we're just.
Um I'm not sure I'm just uh.
I just have all those
questions.
To ask.
>> in.
Terms of like how does this
relate to infrastructure to our
planning?
Um, as well.
As is.
>> this a transitional.
Um, is there going.
>> to be a grace period uh.
If folks get.
Cited um.
>> if.
They're in.
violation of the ordinance?
Um.
>> just being um being
conscious.
About us becoming.
A growing.
City, uh.
That is embracing.
>> high.
Density that.
Is creating um, more narrow
streets and less spaces and
particularly with.
The uh.
General assembly.
Passing that.
Um or discussions.
>> of a.
No parking minimum.
>> right.
Um so I'm.
Just I know.
>> I'm.
All over the place but I hope
you.
Understand where I'm headed.
Yes I do do um.
And it is there's.
I know.
>> that.
There's lots of issues that go
into um why somebody might be.
Blocking a driveway.
Um.
There could be.
Four different.
You know, ten.
Different reasons.
>> with ten.
Different vehicles.
>> in.
A neighborhood.
Um.
>> and but this would.
Be there's a.
Education period that we would
be.
Implementing for sure.
Um, the ada team has actually
already been.
working on.
Um, in that particular
neighborhood and the.
Officer who's.
>> been.
Involved in this.
Um, has been.
Educating the.
>> neighborhood and.
>> they've actually.
Improved out there.
It's just.
>> been an education.
Of you know, some.
People are.
>> just they just don't pull.
Quite enough up, you know.
>> and.
And they have room in their
driveway.
They're just.
Not doing it.
So um it's definitely.
An education piece.
Thank you.
>> okay we're going to.
Transition to.
The, uh, council chambers.
I know we have at least one
more question.
Council member ash mayor.
Thank you, MR. Harrington.
Um.
So this will only apply to.
Sidewalks, right?
We're not.
>> talking about driveways.
Even if the drivers are.
Sure to some of my colleagues
question we are just talking
about specifically sidewalks.
Um I.
Just want.
>> to highlight one of the.
Things I have seen there a
parent pushing a.
Stroller because that happens
to me quite a bit.
Um.
>> there are a senior walking
to the.
>> bus.
They're having they're.
Being forced.
To go into the traffic because
sidewalks are blocked.
So this is about safe
infrastructure and I have seen
that uh, because if we can
build sidewalks which we are
continuing to invest in because
this is.
One of the tools that we have
to address to get to vision
zero.
But if we have blocked
sidewalks it is forcing and
it's putting pedestrians at
risk.
So I think that's another
perspective to consider.
Um.
Seniors.
>> parents of young children,
folks with disability that's
all I have.
Thank you.
Yes.
>> um um so I want to.
>> make.
Sure that I'm understanding
this.
Okay.
>> so my understanding it's a
driveway.
And if.
I pull my.
Car all the way out of the
driveway and I'm blocking the
sidewalk, there's a part of my
driveway.
That that's the problem.
So it is the driveway.
Okay.
>> all right.
>> okay.
And what's happening is cmpd.
Wants to write a citation but
we have a conflict in the and
so we need to figure out how
is.
The conflict.
Going to be eliminated so that
blocking the sidewalk becomes
something.
That's a some.
Type of citation.
Okay.
>> once again talking.
Is great or there.
Other are there any other
questions from council on this
point or comment anything else
manager thank you.
Very much.
We are going to transition to
council chambers.
We will.
Take up the uh model cities
initiative grant just so folks
particularly online will know
uh during the manager's report
there and we'll also take up
the items that were deferred
okay.
Um.
Uh.
>> and
um.
I'm.
We'll now.
Call the.
>> meeting to order.
Good evening and thank you for
joining us in this in person
and those watching online for
our AUGUST 10th business
meeting.
Charlotte city council.
Now let's begin with
introductions around the dais
starting with the city clerk.
Billy toms, deputy city.
Clerk andrea leslie fight.
City attorney.
Good evening.
At large.
Good evening.
I'm victoria watlington and I
have the pleasure of serving.
>> you.
As a.
>> member at large.
Good evening.
Joy male representing district
three.
Good evening and happy stellar
awards week and the city of
charlotte.
Dante anderson, district.
One marcus jones, city.
Manager good evening rob
harrington mayor.
Good evening.
Everyone james mitchell mayor
pro tem.
Good evening everyone.
Kimberly owens.
Representing district.
Six malcolm graham district
two.
At driggs district.
Seven.
>> good evening.
>> luana mayfield.
>> council member at large.
Good evening jd.
Arias proudly.
Representing the.
>> east.
Side district five.
Good evening I'm renee johnson
.
And I'm.
Honored to.
>> represent district four.
Thank you all.
We begin our meeting with an.
Invocation expression.
>> of inspiration followed by
the pledge of allegiance.
The invocation is intended to
solemnized our proceedings.
We celebrate the religious
diversity of our community
including those without a
religious faith.
Tonight council member owens
will give our invocation.
Council member owens.
thank you mayor.
I will.
>> start.
By saying.
That when we start our.
Year we.
>> are assigned certain.
Dates and obviously.
Today is my date.
In anticipation of that, I
reached.
>> out to a variety of.
Faith communities.
>> who find.
Home within district six.
And the following was given to
be given to me.
Rather, biden received maggi.
Jr with the name of GOD.
>> the most merciful, the most
compassionate.
We begin by acknowledging the.
One who created.
Us and our diversity different
backgrounds, beliefs and
perspectives.
Yet united.
In our.
>> shared responsibility.
To care for one another.
And to serve the public good.
We pray for wisdom for.
>> those.
Entrusted with leadership.
MAY they be guided by.
Honesty over convenience.
Courage over.
Comfort and service.
Over self-interest.
Grant them.
Clarity of.
Mind when.
Decisions are complex.
Steadiness of heart.
>> when pressures.
Rise and.
Humility to.
Listen to the voices of the
people.
They represent.
we ask that our leaders be
strengthened and integrity that
.
Truth be spoken.
Clearly, that.
Justice be pursued sincerely
and that policies.
Reflect compassion.
For the.
>> vulnerable and fairness.
For all.
Bless this gathering with
respectful dialog.
Thoughtful deliberation.
And a.
>> commitment to.
>> what uplifts.
Our community.
As a whole.
Help us.
Remember that leadership is.
Not power over others but.
Responsibility for their
well-being.
MAY our work today contribute.
To a.
>> future marked.
By trust.
Accountability and.
Shared prosperity.
Amen.
>> amen.
>> thank you, council member
owens.
>> let's stand.
>> for the pledge of
allegiance.
Allegiance to the flag of the.
United states of america.
And to.
Publicly stands one nation
under GOD.
,indivisible.
>>, with.
>> liberty and justice for all
.
Oh!
Yes.
We have.
>> one proclamation for this
evening and I'll turn it over
for that to council member
graham.
Thank you.
Um, MR. Mayor, um, and I'm
honored to have the opportunity
to read the the city of
charlotte proclamation whereas
national black philanthropy
month is observed annually and
AUGUST to celebrate and elevate
the rich tradition of
generosity, volunteerism, civic
engagement and charitable
giving within black communities
.
Recognizing philanthropy as a
powerful force for positive
social change.
And whereas the foundation for
black philanthropy an affiliate
of the foundation for the
carolina is established to
inspire charitable giving,
strengthen led black
organizations and advance
economic mobility, educational
success, health equality and
the community well-being
throughout the charlotte region
.
And whereas the foundation for
black philanthropy brings
together donors, community
leaders, advocates, jewish
political challenges and create
opportunities that build
stronger families, more vibrant
neighborhoods and a more
equitable future for our
residents.
And whereas in 2026 the
foundation for black from
atrophy awarded $25,000 in
grants $5,000 each to the
various organization stars math
and english academy mind body
baby and c strive clt mothers
of america offspring and youth
development initiative is
dedicated to improving
educational achievement,
maternal and family health,
youth development, violence
prevention, workforce readiness
and economic mobility.
Whereas these grants exemplify
the spirit of black
philanthropy through their
commitment to expanding
opportunity, fostering
resilience, promoting healing
and creating last change across
charlotte and surrounding
region.
Demonstrating the collective
impact that strengthen our
community based on solutions.
Now therefore, robert e
harrington, mayor of the city
of charlotte do by proclaim
AUGUST 2026 as black street
month and encourage our
residents to not only recognize
and celebrate the contributions
of philanthropists, nonprofit
leaders, volunteers, donors and
community organizations but
also to participate and support
their efforts that uplift
communities, expand
opportunities and help build a
stronger, more equitable and
more prosperous charlotte.
>> for all.
Congratulations and this is
black history month.
Congratulations to all.
MR. Mayor, there are a number
of individuals here to receive
the proclamation so they would
join me in front of the dias.
I will hand it to them.
Starting.
>> with the.
Um.
They were.
A about a month.
>> it consists.
Of which I believe is the word.
was taken.
She has come to on the way.
For.
>> so long.
Should we move?
You know.
Um, okay.
>> it's just so we.
Know what to say.
I know, I don't want to ask.
You.
You know I can't see that money
for us to make sure we get.
Her welcome and I think.
Thank you, council member
graham.
And thanks to all who were
recognized for all you do in
our community and the the
really important work that you
do as we transition into the
remainder of the uh, the
meeting, I'd like to um just
give a little bit of background
.
I'd like to thank all of you
for attending on behalf of the
city council.
I'd like to thank all of you.
I ask that audience members be
civil and courteous while in
the chamber.
We want to ensure that everyone
has a positive experience while
attending tonight's meeting.
And that takes us now to uh.
Open uh open.
Public comment on.
Amendments to the charlotte
city map and charlotte streets
manual.
MADAM Clerk, do we have any
speakers?
Do I have a motion to close.
Public comment.
So moved.
And is is there a uh any
question.
Discussion there?
All in favor?
you.
>> here's.
A question.
Thank you.
>> council member johnson
number.
Seven right is that.
>> we are number seven okay.
So I wanted.
>> to.
To ask.
Looks like we're.
>> changing the manual.
>> I wanted.
>> to know how.
Cumulative impact.
Um for.
>> traffic studies is going to
be consider.
Do we.
>> have is there anybody from
the city.
>> to answer question.
That is coming?
Okay.
Motion was I.
>> think it.
>> just looks a.
Hearing and she has a question
about.
Community.
>> good evening mayor.
City council.
>> my name is.
Debbie smith.
Before we get there let's I
think we probably should take a
vote on the motion to close the
public comment and then move
into questions from council.
Okay.
So let's go ahead and take a
vote on the pending motion to
close close public comment.
Any opposed.
All right so public comment is
now closed.
Council member johnson please
proceed with the questions.
Thank you.
>> it's my understanding.
That we're going to.
Review guidelines for traffic
and.
Park study guidance.
So I wanted to know.
We talked.
>> about in.
>> the past looking.
At cumulative.
Impact or changing the
guidelines for traffic impact
studies.
Can you.
Answer or tell me if they were
going to be any consideration?
The cumulative impact.
Uh good.
Evening.
>> COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.
Debbie smith.
>> was.
Charlotte department of
transportation.
I appreciate the question.
So as part.
Of the charlotte.
Streets manual that we're
looking at.
>> right here.
We're really.
Looking at um.
Uh.
>> the recommended.
Changes that.
Are illustrated.
In your document.
And so as.
Part of this process we're
really trying.
>> to do.
Very streamlined administrative
.
Changes that clean that up.
Right now.
Currently there is.
A referral.
To the transportation planning
and.
Development subcommittee of
council to talk about um the.
Question of.
The cumulative.
Impacts that you've talked
about.
>> so we will be bringing back
to you some.
>> more information through.
That process.
But right now.
The number is still.
2500 trips.
To trigger a.
Traffic impact study.
Um yes.
However, I would.
Say that there.
Are um, more details that I
would like to be able to get to
because depending on the size
of the.
Development.
>> uh.
>> to be.
Able to answer that.
Question more thoroughly.
Okay.
>> so we've.
Been talking.
>> about.
This for a while and there was
a presentation from staff.
That we were going to be
looking at it.
So are we.
Revising the manual.
Now and.
>> then referring.
This item to committee?
Is this something that can be.
Considered in.
>> this.
In this version?
So in this version right now we
are.
Making very uh.
Strategic administrative
changes.
>> we're not looking to change
those thresholds.
>> okay thank you.
You're welcome.
Council member mayfield.
Thank you.
Mayor.
>> debbie, if you can.
Explain the difference.
Between the.
>> collect the street.
To a local street.
Sure.
>> as well as what could the
impact of that be when.
We keep approving development.
And then there's not.
Uh.
>> the street.
To help.
Mitigate the congestion?
Absolutely.
>> um.
>> COUNCILWOMAN Mayfield, thank
you.
So much for that question.
And so collector streets are.
Just a type.
>> of.
Street uh.
That is a collector.
So local.
Streets feed into collector
streets.
So with.
Collector streets we are able.
>> to get a.
,uh.
>> cross or.
>> a.
Roadway width that can.
Accommodate things like on
street.
Parking or.
Turn lanes.
And so.
>> in the classification here
that we're speaking of.
We are now changing.
>> that.
Classification to a.
Local street.
however any.
Development that comes in.
>> would.
Still have to mitigate.
Any impacts.
Of a development if.
>> a.
Development were.
To come.
>> in on a local street.
So it would still.
>> be required to.
Uh, address.
Certain conditions.
So a collector street
potentially can.
Have recessed parking on street
a.
Local street could not.
It's not it's it's typically by
its design.
>> it.
Tends to not.
Have a lot.
>> of that uh.
A lot of those changes.
We could.
Still look.
>> at it.
>> on.
A side.
By site.
Classification to.
Determine what street impacts
would need to be.
So when.
>> you follow up to
councilmember johnson's.
Risk when.
You give.
Her the.
>> response, it will be
helpful.
For me to.
>> have.
A breakdown because.
>> we just.
Had a conversation.
About parking on sidewalks.
We're also having a
conversation.
Regarding shortening driveways
which is an.
Oxymoron in itself.
But if we're talking about that
a collector.
Street is a street that.
Actually potentially has the
recessed parking because again
.
Crazy thought people have
vehicles.
They might.
Decide to have a gathering.
At their.
Home.
>> where are they.
>> going to park?
So what could the.
Impact of this be?
It would be.
Helpful to know.
I'd be.
>> happy to follow up.
Thank you.
Any other comments?
COUNCILMAN Any anyone else who
had a council member as mayor
of first come back to you?
Council member johnson.
Yes.
>> so um, obviously this is.
Not just, uh.
Simple modifications here.
There are two things that um.
Were key.
One, it was the first.
>> was the fee in lieu.
So if you can talk.
About just the implications
when developers.
Will contribute.
Pay in lieu versus.
Developer versus building.
Uh directly.
Sure.
>> so so.
Then I'll talk.
>> about second item later.
okay.
>> COUNCILWOMAN Ajmera.
I would.
>> love to invite.
Jake carpenter down.
My subject.
Matter expert that.
>> you.
All see.
On your.
Rezoning nights to talk about
the fee in lieu.
Thank you.
>> thank you.
>> jay carpenter with that.
Um, so the fee in lieu changes
.
As part.
Of this.
>> are really.
Um, administrative.
>> to.
Give staff.
Uh, options when.
Um, a development can't.
>> meet.
Their.
Criteria that's.
>> outlined in.
>> this manual.
So it has to do with the.
Multi-modal changes and finding
.
Improvements to make.
Within a certain area of the
site.
And so this.
Just kind.
>> of.
Outlines a.
>> little.
More uh, what the options are
for.
>> fee.
And move for.
Multimodal mitigations.
Um it's really not tied to fee
and move for.
>> the greater.
Development process or.
um for.
Cip projects or things like
that.
It's a.
Very specific.
Uh, situation that.
Uh is just outlined a little.
Better as part of these changes
.
So if you can give me an
example of the.
So a.
Development it has to.
Perform a.
Multimodal assessment.
As part of their.
Development sometimes.
And they.
Um they have.
Options in.
>> the.
Manual say to upgrade uh ramps
to.
Satisfy ada criteria.
Um but in.
>> some cases uh the manual
says you can.
Look within.
A quarter mile.
Um but there's.
Nothing available.
Because everything's been
upgraded.
And there's no options.
Um.
So they could instead to.
Satisfy their.
Development requirements.
Um.
Do a fee.
In lieu to.
Say construct.
Two accessible ramps so instead
of.
Constructing them they would.
Contribute um a dollar.
Amount to.
>> the transportation.
Program to.
Satisfy their.
development requirements.
So when.
They contribute in pay in lieu
fund would those funds be used
to build that?
Well in this case there's
nothing in the immediate
vicinity.
>> to build.
So the.
Department would be able to.
Go really be a.
Little outside.
Of of.
>> their where.
>> the greatest need is.
Yes.
Okay that's very second.
I noticed there's tier.
Three parking reduction.
Those were the only two major.
Items I saw as.
Part of the clarification.
Could you speak to those.
Parking reductions?
Uh, so this is.
Another case where uh, the.
The goal.
Is to kind of.
Outline the.
>> options a little bit better
for staff.
Um, there over time.
There is a.
Request for.
Uh, parking reductions and this
sort.
Of just.
Outlines the process.
Um.
So if a development uh.
Requested this, the cdot.
>> would work with the planning
department, uh.
>> and do a parking study for
the.
Development to see the.
Various factors.
>> that.
Could, um, affect their parking
need.
And determine.
If it was allowable to have a
parking reduction.
Um, for this specific
development so you could have a
multi-use development where you
had multiple uses that uh,
maybe had peak parking at
different times so you could
reduce the total parking that's
needed.
Uh, and this is a rare
situation um, and staff has
worked to work through it to
this point as.
Best as possible.
Um, but this just gives a
little more clarity to.
Kind of how.
To run that process.
So for.
>> those of you who.
>> do not know tier.
>> one two and.
Three could you just explain
that?
I'm sorry explain.
Tier three parking reduction.
Park tier.
>> three specifically.
Because that's the only tier
three.
That's only.
Parking reduction it speaks.
To as.
Part of this.
I think the the.
So the new the section 3.8.
>> right sure and the the.
Tier three parking is.
Really it's a planning it's a
level of of parking from the
planning side of of the
development.
So it's.
Um the the manual is cdot but
the requirement is planning um
so it's just a level of
development that would um
require a certain amount of
parking.
Okay.
>> I don't have more questions
but I'll follow.
>> up with you later.
>> that's all.
>> I have.
Thank you.
>> council member as mayor I'm
going to come back to council
member johnson.
But are there any other
questions or comments from.
Council at this point?
Council member johnson.
Thank you.
MR. Mayor.
Um yeah.
I'd like you.
Guys uh, council.
Member mayfield and asthma
that.
You asked.
For staff to explain the.
Impact when.
>> we.
Talk about.
>> cumulative impact.
>> um.
>> uh.
>> MISS Smith, can you.
Can you.
>> explain cumulative.
Impact and the difference um,
in what we're doing now.
?
So COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.
I think the way that I
understand that question is
really to talk.
About what are the.
Impacts when a development
comes in to let's say whether
it be by right.
Or whether through a rezoning
but to be able to talk.
About the.
>> traffic impacts.
and I.
>> would love to.
Be able.
>> to have.
Um some time to.
Be able to put together.
Some information.
And follow.
>> up with you.
And the.
>> reason I ask.
>> I've.
Been I've.
>> been.
Bringing this up for at.
Least probably five years or
so.
And why it's.
Important is because.
Currently if I'm correct that's
.
The trick the.
Number to trigger a traffic
impact.
Study is 2500.
Trips.
Unless there's change.
It's lower.
Yes 1500.
Trip 1500.
1500 or.
>> trips and that's one.
Petition has to have 2000 trips
before we.
Have a traffic impact study.
But if you have three petitions
next to each other and.
>> they each have.
A thousand mhm.
There's no.
Study on.
>> how.
Traffic is impacted.
So this is.
Happening all throughout the
district and traffic just.
Continues to.
>> increase.
But we are not requiring.
A study.
because it's not.
Triggering that study.
So we've talked.
About it for.
>> a while.
So MR. Manager I think.
>> this.
Is important.
If this could come before.
Committee sooner than.
Later because you.
Know it's meanwhile traffic is
just increasing and increasing
and we're we're ignoring.
This problem.
So do we have an.
Idea of how soon that can come
to committee.
It has been referred so we can
make sure that this is
something.
That's as you just said.
Um it's.
>> in the queue now.
Okay.
>> thank you.
And speaking of that I.
Hope that we're looking at a
referral tracker.
Because I'm probably been
referred.
>> a while ago.
Yeah.
>> it's that good.
Okay.
>> thank you.
That's all I have.
Thank you.
>> council member as mia has
another question are there any
other questions from those who
have not.
Spoken to the motion?
Let's go.
Council member watlington and
then council members.
Yeah my quick um I just wanted
to lift up.
You're right.
This conversation feels like
it's been going on since at
least 2019.
>> what is.
The gap?
Well.
>> MR. Manager.
Um.
>> it is.
>> in committee.
It got referred to committee
and we're going to put.
>> it on.
The top of the list of the
committee.
Sure.
I know this isn't the first
time staff has worked on it
though, so I just want to
understand truthfully what.
>> is the.
Barrier to delivering a
response to this cumulative
impact because if there's
something real structural here
or legislatively that we need
to understand, I'd rather we be
clear about that because as
I've said, this has gone on for
a very long time.
So is there a is there a real
structural barrier to be able
to adjust such that we can have
cumulative impact considered.
?
>> and so.
Manager say okay if I take a.
Stab at that question.
And so what I think uh is the
opportunity that we have.
Is to.
>> better be able to explain,
uh, the process by which we
consider.
All of.
>> the traffic and I think
over.
Time we.
>> have found.
That, uh.
Through our.
>> processes and our procedures
we haven't.
Been explaining all.
>> of the.
Background information.
>> that.
Goes into the decision making.
Uh, around that cumulative
impact and.
The impact of the.
Developments that.
>> are.
Happening are.
Absolutely considered in the
decision making that happens.
And I think being able to
convey that.
More clearly in a way to you.
All is.
Really where the.
The opportunity presents itself
.
>> through committee.
Okay.
>> I look forward to hearing
that in committee.
So it sounds like what's in
committee is not a policy
question.
It's a matter.
>> of explanation.
What what are we working on?
Yeah I believe that it is
really in clarity around um
explaining the technical
components that we have.
Behind the work that we do.
Uh, in a way that is very
tangible and relatable.
To the topics that you.
All are.
>> talking about.
>> and then will we also
understand once we understand.
The explanation the.
Outcome will we understand what
is what's going to.
Close the gap to the outcome
because what we what I think I
hear you say is that even
though we're seeing 1500 for
each petition before there's a
threshold, there's some other
mechanism that's looking
cumulatively.
Yes.
>> that's the case.
The outcome feels like there's
still uh, an opportunity to
improve our traffic and
transportation.
Planning because what we're
seeing is overcapacity in these
particular areas where we're
building well, we also be
getting some recommendations.
>> of.
What we can do to to make
adjustments.
There will be clarity on.
The way.
>> that we're presenting the
information and then we will
have.
A a.
Council conversation if there
are other changes.
>> that we should be making.
Yeah.
>> so will you be bringing back
a recommendation?
I'm trying to get a sense of
what's gone into committee
because of what we're going to
get back is the explanation we
MAY be able to get that is pre
work before a committee
discussion.
Sure so we can provide we.
Spent the committee discussion
on the actual recommendations
versus the explanation.
We follow what I'm.
>> saying.
Yes the details.
Yeah so I I'm.
>> sorry no good.
Okay so I think it's important
I don't know if we have it
before.
us to.
Just go.
>> over the.
Referral what the referral
actually does.
Yes to make sure that it is
addressing the.
Need.
>> yes yeah.
We'll take a.
>> look at.
>> that so we'll look them up
okay.
Okay okay okay.
Does that happening right now
or no because if we need to
adjust the referral this would
be the time.
Uh I believe that the best
course of action if you're
asking for my recommendation is
for us to take a.
Look at that.
And work with, um, city
manager's office to make sure
that we're in alignment with
what you need and we can
provide any of that.
Pre work via, um, written
information for you rather than
playing it out right here today
because I don't have that
information with me today.
So I don't know if that's a
question for the clerk or
before we move past this.
This is the opportunity to
adjust the referral to capture
the need that councilmember
johnson has brought up.
So if no one has a referral
right now, is that something
that we can see before we close
business today?
Yes, you already have.
So I.
>> understand but what I'm
saying is that I.
Just want to reflect.
Her correct questions.
so yes thank you.
Council member mayor.
Yes.
>> so since.
>> we.
Are talking.
About feeling.
Low I would.
Like to.
Lift up a one.
Specific request that's been
pending for almost a decade or
longer.
That's in district.
Four and I know residents at
this is right behind that
pavilion.
Um amphitheater.
Where the.
Neighborhood has.
Lift up.
That request.
Because it.
>> was between collector and
the local street.
Uh, so I would like to make.
Sure and I think debbie.
Your team.
>> has already.
Looked at that but there was
no.
Funding for it.
But now.
>> with this being new I would
like us to make sure because
that request has been pending
for many years and the
neighborhood.
Has tried.
Many times trying to get that
request.
Infrastructure request.
Feel so I hope.
Really with that.
Okay thank you.
So do you know which one I'm.
Talking about.
I believe I do.
Yeah right behind that pavilion
amphitheater councilmember
johnson has been advocating for
that for a while and they had
reached at all.
Of harris.
Houston yeah harris hughes
thank.
You thank.
>> you.
.
>> yes.
There any further questions any
further discussion from
council.
>> on.
Item seven?
Uh the motion with regard to
street map.
And street manual.
No.
>> is there a uh.
Motion with regard to item
seven the proposed changes that
are in writing um on item seven
in our um uh.
Manual uh.
>> book.
Is there a motion?
That ask.
>> a clarifying.
>> question.
Mayor yes.
Because for item seven is just
receiving public comment on the
amendment as well.
Um, so.
Yeah so that there is not an
action.
This is.
>> just pop out.
You're exactly right.
And this.
On my little.
Notes here off so we will uh,
move on to the public hearing.
There are no further comments.
We're now going to open the
public hearing on the general
obligation bond.
Referendum to be set for
NOVEMBER 3rd, 2026.
madam clerk, are there any
speakers.
On speakers?
So moved.
Do we need a motion.
>> right from the opening?
Of.
>> one?
>> matthew okay.
Matthew panic.
>> do.
I.
Need to make.
>> a motion?
Yes I can.
Good evening, mayor.
Harrington council.
Matt panic I'm with the
charlotte regional business
alliance.
Uh, tonight I'm here to express
our support for the city bonds
that are before you.
Um, um.
>> and I'm not here to.
>> speak for for one one
industry or one company but
really all the thousands of
businesses and all the
residents here um, in the city
of charlotte everyone wants
every resident in every
neighborhood throughout the
city to succeed, to have that
opportunity to to better
themselves advance themselves.
That is the charlotte that has
been the foundation for success
for so many residents over the
years and the charlotte that
has attracted so many
additional residents.
Um they've come to our city
over the years as well.
The bonds before you tonight
represent a continued.
Commitment of.
>> charlotte to being
responsive to the needs of
residents and creating a world
class city for its residents.
The investment in
transportation, neighborhoods
and affordable housing builds
on prior bonds.
And is.
>> incredibly impactful for
residents notably the $125
million for affordable housing
is historic in its amount and
will be critical in addressing
continued housing shortages
facing many neighborhoods
throughout.
The city.
The bonds essentially allow.
Charlotte to keep up with the
important infrastructure needs
that make the city so livable
connected roads, affordable
housing, strong neighborhoods
that's a recipe for a strong
city brought together the bonds
help the city keep up with the
needs of residents as they live
their lives.
Go to work, go to school to
enjoy restaurants and
entertainment throughout
charlotte.
Simply put the bonds ensure
that quality of life remains
high for residents in charlotte
.
The alliance has long.
Partnered with the city.
>> and.
Community leaders to shepherd
the bonds to voter approval.
We appreciate your foresight
tonight on the bonds and your
consideration going forward.
Moving forward on the bonds is
an important step for
residents, your constituents
and is a signal to them that
charlotte continues to invest
in meaningful ways in our
community.
Thank you very much.
thank you, MR. Panic.
Do you have a.
Motion to close the public.
>> hearing second okay.
And a motion to adopt bond
orders introduced for $280
million of transportation bonds
,$20 million of neighborhood
improvement.
Bonds and.
$125 million of house housing
bonds.
And adopt a.
Resolution setting the general
obligation bond.
Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd
2026 is to.
Adopt b and c.
And those that you.
Asked for a motion to close the
hearing.
>> so do we need.
>> to vote on that separately?
I would move to close the
hearing and approve b and c.
Since we've got the motion out
there let's just go ahead and
vote.
On closing the hearing if
that's okay.
Thank you for that.
Is there any um any discussion
all in favor any opposed?
All right.
Let's move to the um, motion
itself to adopt the bond orders
uh, introduced for the $280
million of transportation.
Bond.
>> $20 million of neighborhood
improvement.
Bonds.
>> $125 million of housing.
Bonds and to.
Adopt a resolution setting the
general.
Obligation bond.
Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd
2026.
Is there a motion so moved?
so any discussion?
Yes.
>> council councilmember what.
So on the one 6875 I must
recuse myself.
>> from this but.
I can't.
>> hear.
You accusing.
Okay got.
>> it okay.
>> are there is there any other
discussion?
Council member watlington has
recused council member as
mayor.
Yes.
>> uh, thanks.
>> to.
The business alliance for your
continued support with the bond
.
Uh, this is $425 million in our
infrastructure and we often
hear during our zoning meetings
.
There are cities growing and
our infrastructure has to keep
up with it.
So this is a step forward.
Appreciate the.
Work of the.
Budget team.
MR. Jones, um.
For helping us.
Uh.
>> with capital investment.
So now.
Um, let's hope that we continue
to deliver the projects in a
record time.
That's all I have.
>> this is about safe.
Roads and safe infrastructure.
Thank you.
>> thank you council members.
Mayor, are there any other
questions or comments.
About item number eight.
?
okay next question on the uh
the vote.
All in favor please raise your
hand of the motion as outlined.
Any opposed.
Motion carries okay.
Next on our agenda is the, uh,
city manager's report in our
policy section.
We deferred discussion of, um,
12345 items from our consent.
Agenda that were pulled.
Out of the.
>> consent agenda.
Uh.
>> would like to proceed with
that.
Discussion now.
And that the five items were.
>> 23.
36, 45, 47 and 48 and um.
On 20.
23 I believe that was
councilmember johnson.
Yeah.
>> I just wanted it pulled out.
For discussion.
Here more about it.
>> which one?
>> number 23 correct.
Yes, that's the question.
I just wanted.
Uh pulled out.
Can you give us some.
Information about this project?
Sure.
>> um, this is a great
news story.
It supports.
Mobility.
>> accessibility and vision.
Zero goals.
We're going to be.
Constructing new sidewalk.
>> we're going to be.
Closing some.
>> gaps in sidewalk.
Uh, building.
Curb ramps and pedestrian
crossings.
um, and this is a.
Long including along.
>> an.
Intersection at one of the.
City's high.
>> injury networks
intersections.
This crosses between district
four and.
District five.
And.
Um you MAY have seen.
>> this on the list that.
Cdot provided in your.
Packet last thursday.
This is.
>> one of those projects that
has helped them.
Meet their.
>> performance metric.
Okay I just.
>> wanted to hear more about it
okay.
Okay okay go ahead.
Council member suara harris.
Yeah thank.
>> you mayor.
>> I just want to.
Thank staff for their work.
On this.
Uh deeply appreciate it.
As you know, uh.
>> this council one.
Of this.
>> council's priorities is
vision zero and.
Reducing, uh.
Traffic fatalities.
Across the city of charlotte.
Um.
>> and particularly with
district.
Five which has seen an enormous
amount.
Of uh.
Traffic fatalities.
And just deeply appreciate that
this being focused.
>> and invest in our.
Community particularly a high
injury network.
So thank you all for for the
work.
Appreciate it.
>> thank you.
Thank you.
Council member any other
questions or comments.
On item 23?
Okay.
Is there a motion.
To approve okay.
.
>> second any further
discussion.
All right the motion is to
approve the contract in the
amount of 661,000
$661,661,706.65 to the lowest
responsive bidder responsible
bidder carolina cajun concrete
inc. For the W.T. Harris
boulevard and greer road
intersection.
And sidewalk project.
>> we're ripe for a vote.
All in favor raise your hand.
Any opposed?
Motion passes.
Uh, council member uh, mayfield
I believe you had items 36, 45
,47 and 48.
Correct.
>> and please proceed with 36.
Thank you, mayor harrington.
So for.
Item 36 which.
Is a.
Request to.
>> approve a.
Contract in the in the amount
of $1,203,308.75 to the lowest
responsive bidder.
What I wanted why.
>> I reached.
Out to staff because we all
know received one be it.
So that's not the.
Lowest responsive bidder.
That's the only bidder.
so the.
First question that I asked was
one why did I go back out for
an additional be it.
What we.
>> have in here in our language
is that.
Initially no it's well
received.
So the question that I asked is
what was in our language and
did we do.
An inquiry.
To try.
>> to.
Identify why.
There was.
No bid on initially and when.
We sent it out.
For a re-issue.
>> on in JULY only one bid was
received then.
Yes ma'am.
Um excuse.
Me stormwater.
Did reach out to some.
Contractors that.
Frequently bid on.
Stormwater projects.
Um, to ask those same kinds of
questions that you just asked.
.
And this.
Project um.
,requires the protection of.
>> the fish habitat.
Through construction.
And so because of that it
requires some specialized work.
You have.
To maintain.
Water levels at um.
A certain height.
>> to.
To keep oxygen for.
>> the fish.
And so because of that there
are.
Few contractors.
That um.
are interested in performing
the working that can perform.
The work.
The the other reason.
>> that.
Staff that uh perhaps.
>> it didn't receive.
Any bids is.
>> because.
There's an abundance.
Of work.
>> available right now.
>> and.
So this specialized work.
>> is a little bit.
Less attractive.
And that was just a
clarification that I wanted
whereas we're having to
transition based off of federal
and state language when we're
putting out bids making sure.
That we're creating as many
opportunities as possible.
But yet because this needing a
specific skill set because of
the fish aquariums safety.
Measures that.
>> needed to happen as one.
>> did.
For us to be able to identify
that move to approve and be.
Second any further.
Discussion all in.
Favor of approving a and b and
item agenda item.
36 please.
>> raise your hand.
.
>> any opposed?
All right.
Motion passes.
Uh, council member we have 45.
Actually my question is for 46.
So for 45 moved to adopt a
resolution authorizing.
>> the refiner property.
Tax assessor to declare or
assessment errors in the amount
of $8,030.50.
so question about 40.
That just.
Moved to approve.
>> it second.
Second um any further questions
?
All right.
All in favor raise your hand.
Any opposed?
All right so 46 carries.
Himself I'm sorry mayor, just.
>> to clarify I believe.
46 was.
Approved in room 267 okay.
And it.
>> was.
45 that was pulled.
It's what.
>> I thought.
So I think.
45 is the.
>> one we.
Either need.
Questions or a motion.
>> and then 47 yes ma'am.
So 45 are we.
>> set.
And then 47 was.
>> what we so.
>> we're good on 45.
>> oh.
Yes in.
47 I need.
>> to vote on so 46 is not.
We voted.
>> on.
25 we voted on 4547.
>> is the 47.
Is missing.
Right now.
>> but okay 47.
Yes thank.
You ma'am it's at 47 is the one
I.
Ask for.
Discussion so I.
Wanted to clarify.
This is a.
Me request for.
You know my.
numbers are okay.
My apologies mary ten.
Uh right here.
I've had is doing something a
little interesting over here.
So item 46 which we just
approve it was asking staff to
give give.
Us another column because the
columns that was initially
presented just had the net levy
levied uncollected amount.
In 3% that was collected.
I wanted us to have an
additional column with.
>> the.
Total amount that's been
collected up to date to just.
Clarify those numbers.
So for the minutes that's why I
had pull item number 46 to make
sure that we have.
>> an.
Opportunity to have the full
clarification.
But we did just pull that item.
For item 47 which I asked to be
pulled.
Is that in the public hearing
on.
The jefferson.
First union.
Tower district landmark, the
specific question that I asked
for staff was what is the true.
Impact of.
Deferred taxes.
If this is approved as well as
when we.
Take into consideration the
state is having discussions on
limiting access taxing.
Authority in the future and
staff was going to check into
that because based on this
language.
If we were to move forward
based on the current value, the
.
Potential amount.
of deferred taxes would
approximately be $124,525 for
the city, $5,440.
For the special district,
$17,595.
For special district.
Three, 209,000 and $397.50.
>> for.
Mecklenburg county.
.
>> so that.
Looking at the.
Estimate is based on the.
County's current.
Appraised value.
Uh.
This property.
However.
>> given the APRIL 23rd.
2026 sale of the.
Property which was worth
36,500,000 the upcoming 2027
county.
>> wide property.
Reevaluation the potential
amount of.
>> the variable taxes is likely
to.
Decrease.
>> but this is a collective.
Conversation of how.
>> many properties and when
we're.
Having challenges.
Identify.
Seeing the growth of our
property tax.
Base and that is our main.
Source of income.
>> I wanted to.
Understand what potentially.
>> is the impact.
Yes ma'am.
And so each.
>> of these historic.
Landmark designations.
Is really.
>> a case by.
>> case basis.
>> you know.
the balance.
>> of preservation.
And revenue.
Generation and in this.
Instance at.
>> the.
Jefferson first union tower, um
.
It actually is going to.
Be beneficial because the.
Historic landmark designation.
Is part of a.
Redevelopment package.
It's just one piece.
Of the puzzle.
This is a.
>> tower that has been.
Largely vacant.
>> since.
2023 and up for sale.
So there.
Have not.
>> been.
Tenants in it.
And so through this
redevelopment.
The office tower.
Will be.
>> converted into.
Housing units.
A hotel and.
Office space.
With retail across the street
from it.
And so the historic.
Landmark designation.
And the um.
Property tax.
Abatement is only for.
One of.
>> the.
Five acres of.
The redevelopment.
So this redevelopment will
generate additional property
tax.
>> revenue for us.
Despite the designation.
So the additional.
Information will be helpful for
me since what we.
Are doing is setting the.
Public hearing for SEPTEMBER
28th is between now and then.
It will.
>> be helpful to know what the
language is in the contract of
what is going to be preserved
as historic because council has
already.
Been a part of media concerns
and community.
Concerns on a building that was
designated as historic.
The building was so the
building was sold again
somewhere.
In those conversations.
Made there was demolition.
That challenge the history that
.
I believe council members
thought they were preserving in
their vote and we do not have
language that protects us and
say the.
Moment you destroy.
What was identified as historic
.
You're going.
>> back on the.
Tax rolls.
I don't.
>> think we've ever had a
conversation where we ever go
back and look and see if
something was designated as
historic.
A district.
Or an historic building where
they had.
Deferred taxes.
And then if somebody came along
and demolished what was
historic.
Will we go back and find out?
Okay, now you're back on the
tax roll and was that impact
going to be so because we had
an incident earlier.
in the year where.
>> a.
Building that was thought to be
a historic building had some
major demolition happening to
it, it would be helpful to know
exactly what is the language
that protects and what is the
clawback if you.
Destroy what.
>> we are.
>> trying to preserve?
Yes ma'am.
Thank you.
>> any further discussion?
Council member as mayor?
Yeah.
>> the council.
>> member.
Mayfield raises a good point of
.
Uh.
>> following following through.
So I do see we have um.
Stuart here, MR. Gray here from
the historic landmark
commission department.
Um.
Could you.
>> speak to is there any.
>> sort.
Of enforcement.
Uh.
>> once the property.
Has been designated.
As a.
>> historic landmark and if it.
Gets demolished, what are the
implications?
Uh, yes.
Thank you.
>> what happens to the property
tax that.
Was been deferred?
My name is stuart gray.
I'm the.
>> director of the historic
landmarks.
Department with.
>> mecklenburg county.
and we.
Served the city of.
Charlotte for.
Your.
>> uh, preservation needs for
historic individually.
Designated historic properties
.
State law.
Dictates everything we do.
State law indicates.
>> and thank you, uh.
Council member.
Mayfield for the questions.
Uh, state.
Law, uh, does anticipate what
happens.
>> if.
Something is torn down.
And.
>> uh.
>> there is a clawback.
For three years.
Of the.
Deferred taxes.
If a property.
Is I'm.
Sorry I said torn down,
demolished.
Um.
>> that if we're talking about
.
>> the.
Excelsior club.
That's not the one I was
thinking okay.
Oh I'm sorry.
Um.
For example, that property was
torn down.
Um.
>> um, and it's an exception.
>> but if.
>> you weren't talking about.
>> that one.
Um, whatever.
Property that.
>> was torn down.
They are.
The landmark designation
removed.
The tax.
Office reaches.
Back to them.
And.
>> um.
>> sends them a.
Bill for the.
Tax deferral for the past three
years.
And again, that's not a.
Program or.
Not a um.
Policy that we.
Or charlotte.
Have put.
>> in that's just written.
>> into.
The state law.
Thank thank you, MR..
Great.
Um, we appreciate the work that
you do.
Well well.
Well thank you.
That's all.
>> I have.
>> is any other questions
councilmember mayfield.
Thank you mayor.
>> so just follow up.
If it is.
Not a demolition if.
>> it.
Is a partial removal.
Um or if it is presented during
the redevelopment as we
reimagine space but this facade
.
Anything within I don't care if
it's a flat if it's if that is
what helped it.
We see the historic designation
and that is removed.
Now that is a different
conversation to me than a
demolition because that is what
we're trying.
>> to preserve.
So if that preservation doesn't
happen I and if it is there
please just send me what the
statue is at some point from
where that is protected I
believe we as you mentioned we
have language for a demolition
yet I have not seen the
language.
That protects um something.
Used to have.
A name.
That was identified if a piece
of that that.
If the main.
Piece that helped to warrant
the historic designation is the
piece that is removed knowing.
The reimagining or redesigning
and that's identified what is
the clawbacks that's the
language that I want to.
Clarify and the excelsior club
is that the building that I
have in my mind in my mind but
we have received emails on a
building near uptown where
there was a lot of.
Thought of what the designation
was on it and.
The will.
The resale.
From multiple.
Entities somewhere along the
line.
What is being built is not
under the understanding of what
is designation was.
So I just want.
To make sure we have the
language to protect the few
resources that we have left in.
Our city that.
Help tell the.
Story of charlotte.
I'll be.
Happy to get you.
>> that information and have a.
Discussion if issues.
Thank you.
>> any further discussion?
there were a motion to uh uh
approval.
To adopt.
>> the.
Resolution setting the public
hearing for.
SEPTEMBER 28th.
>> any further discussion?
All in favor raise your hand.
Any opposed?
Motion carries.
And finally.
You're mayor.
Yes 45.
Before we proceed.
Item 45.
Um, I believe we read the
language.
4646 and.
>> so if we.
>> could just.
Have a.
>> motion for.
>> item 45.
That encompasses.
Or includes the language under.
Section a and b okay.
Is there a motion um to approve
item 45 a and b as set forth in
to.
Approve a and b.
Any further discussion on paper
raise your hand any opposed
okay.
Are there any other items MADAM
City attorney.
That we're missing?
>> MR. Mayor you can do so.
>> we have now approved all of
the items on the consent agenda
including those that were
pulled out.
I'm sorry number 4848.
Pulled out.
There's 48 still out there.
Um.
All right.
And that was me.
Council member mayfield.
Thank you mayor.
same question as the last.
This is to set a public
hearing.
>> on the.
Excuse me, little mcnair chiles
historic landmark.
What we've.
>> identified is based on the
current value, the potential
amount of deferral.
The taxes will be approximately
.
$5,104 for the city, 9175 for.
>> the.
County plus an additional two
3837 for a.
Special district.
One taxes again.
Bringing that information.
Back as well as a snapshot of
what is the totality of.
Deferred taxes do we have in
the city right now?
Because I think it would be
helpful for us to actually one.
Stop running a tab to keep
track, uh, where we're not
receiving.
Taxes and if that's creating a.
Shortfall for us.
Yet, I will move.
To approve the to adopt the
resolution setting the public
hearing for SEPTEMBER 28th.
Second.
>> any further discussion?
All in favor?
Aye.
Any opposed?
Motion carries.
I think we are.
Now finished.
>> with the items that were on
the consent agenda.
Correct.
All right.
>> okay.
That takes us to.
The.
>> uh, city manager's.
report and in the city
manager's report in the policy
section we had postponed
earlier discussion of model
cities and.
MR. Mayor.
If few would.
Be uh.
Thank you mayor members of
council uh, as the mayor just.
Mentioned.
>> we postpone.
This and uh, at this time I'd
like to defer to.
>> the.
Chair of the.
Public safety committee to
introduce.
The model cities grant.
Thank you, city manager.
Uh, this.
Particular topic was referred
to.
Well.
>> this this.
Particular topic it was
actually something that.
That arose um, at the federal
government level over the last
couple of months.
It's an opportunity for cities
all throughout the country to
potentially apply for a grant
that is multifaceted.
But um, the umbrella of the
focus is on safety but it's
through the the entire
ecosystem of safety.
So not only.
Um you are thank you.
For not only policing but also
behavioral health and youth
opportunities um, as well as as
other opportunities around um
reintroduction back into
society after um being
interface with the judicial
system.
And so the chief and her team
have put together uh uh, myriad
of subject matter experts to
work on this effort.
I was one that worked on this
effort um, over the summer as
well as um as a as well as
assistant city manager or
deputy city manager sean heath
.
And we provided an update in
the public safety committee for
full transparency around what
is before us.
I'm going to let the chief in
and her excellent staff walk
you through it.
But I'll just preface the
conversation by saying this is
an opportunity to apply for a
grant.
Um we are.
Nowhere near the finish line
here where we're at step maybe
1.5 or 2 as it relates to a ten
point uh, step process of even
being chosen as one of the
final cities and accepting a
grant.
So lots and lots of steps
before we get to any decision
criteria with that I'm going to
hand it over to the chief.
Thank you chief.
Thank you council member
anderson and.
Hello again.
To mayor and council.
My name is estella patterson.
Chief of.
>> police for the charlotte
police department.
And with me today is my
business services bureau.
>> team lead.
Kelly.
>> hi foster.
And both.
>> of us are here today to seek
your support to take the
initial step for applying for a
department of justice model.
cities initiatives.
Grant that we.
>> believe will greatly.
Support crime reduction.
Victim recovery services, youth
.
Crime reduction.
Services and.
Behavioral health care in
charlotte mecklenburg.
As you are all aware.
Reduce violent.
Crime is one of my.
Key priorities.
>> and.
Top priorities.
But in order to do so and to
sustain reductions we have to
have a.
Strategy of course that
incorporates many.
Pieces and many partners.
So the.
Model cities.
Initiative grant.
Dollars that.
>> we are seeking emphasizes.
A whole.
>> of.
City, whole of county or whole
of system approach.
It's not.
>> just a crime fighting.
Tool and.
>> it is.
Something that.
I believe will make our city
and our county safer.
What we are proposing to do
with these grant.
Dollars if awarded and there's
a big if there as council
member anderson stated where.
>> the.
Very very beginning.
Stages of.
This but if.
>> we are.
Awarded these grant dollars.
And services and agencies.
together to.
To create and sustain a
charlotte-mecklenburg that.
Thrives.
>> the model cities.
Initiative grant follows a
framework that brings a lot of
partners together from city to
county, federal.
And community.
Partners partners such as
atrium, charlotte-mecklenburg
schools, the safe alliance, the
umbrella center bring.
Us all under.
To work collaboratively.
For what's best.
For our.
>> city and.
>> county and for us this
means.
Fewer victims.
>> of.
Crime and if someone is a
victim of crime they get
adequate recovery services.
Also to its.
>> support for our district.
Attorney's office.
For more.
>> judges, for more.
Advocates and greater
resources.
>> for the.
Sheriff's office and.
Adult corrections.
It's also.
>> an opportunity to help.
Come up.
>> with something to.
Reduce recidivism.
Through more reentry programs
and greater behavioral health.
Resources for both.
Youth and adults.
So in.
>> the end with this grant, if
we are able to.
>> get.
Some dollars.
it will.
>>, we believe make.
Our community stronger.
We did.
>> present this to the public
safety committee last.
Week and now.
>> we are seeking your approval
or your support to apply.
>> for the grant.
At this time.
>> I'm going.
To turn it.
>> over to.
>> MISS Kelly.
Hi foster who's just gonna give
you a little bit more
information about the grant,
our proposed strategy and then
also to the next steps and then
we'll be happy to answer any.
Questions you.
>> MAY have.
Questions from council I know
council member mayfield.
Council member.
I think she's getting ready to
do an actual presentation.
Yes just a few slides.
Yeah we.
>> haven't gotten to.
The.
Presentation yet.
>> so good evening.
My name is kelly.
>> hi foster.
And I'm going to.
Take you.
>> through the mci.
Model cities initiative.
Um we're.
>> going to review the.
Solicitation the proposal.
Strategy and the.
Framework by.
>> which we will.
Apply.
>> so for.
>> the model city initiative,
the department.
>> of justice, it has.
Approximately 300 million.
To be available nationwide, but
we'll only choose 2.
>> to 4.
Cities.
.
Um.
To give the funding to.
This award.
Will be.
Structured as.
>> a cooperative.
Agreement rather.
Than a.
>> traditional grant.
And that means the department.
>> of justice through the cops.
Office.
>> the office of justice
program and.
>> the office of violence
against women.
Will be a.
Part of the grant oversight.
This is a three.
Year grant.
And we are in.
Phase one.
Of the.
>> application which is due.
SEPTEMBER 1st.
>> um cities.
>> are.
Invited will.
Be invited.
>> to.
Advance to phase two.
Um and.
>> that will.
Be a presentation process and.
We don't know at this.
Time whether.
That they.
>> will.
Come here or.
>> the cities that are chosen.
>> will.
Have to go there.
To do.
>> their presentations.
But we.
>> should.
Know whether.
>> we.
Would be in that.
Group of.
>> cities by the end of the
calendar year.
This year.
To make a.
Successful mci proposal.
Um.
>> we'll begin.
With a.
>> direct and.
Credible connection.
To crime reduction.
That's the basis.
Of the.
Initiative itself.
>> the department of justice.
Like the chief said, is looking
for a whole.
>> of.
The community approach.
Um.
>> public safety is a shared
responsibility.
Where we.
Create one coordinated.
Regional ecosystem.
Technology modernization and
data governance.
Are also.
Critical to this.
Proposal.
>> um, all projects.
>> will.
Reinforce one theory.
Of change.
Our theory of change.
>> is that.
Violent crime.
Declines when the region.
Rapidly identifies the.
People, places, networks.
>> and.
Conditions driving violence.
As we.
>> build our.
Proposal we are looking at
sustainability.
We're using.
Model cities funding as an.
Accelerator not as a.
Permanent funding source.
The goal of the goal is to
build.
Capabilities.
>> partnerships, infrastructure
and an operating model that
charlotte-mecklenburg.
Can sustain long.
After the federal award wins.
And lastly, there are seven.
Goals that they.
Require that we meet.
Here.
>> we've made.
A presentation.
That really shows a visit, a.
Visual um.
Connection between.
With the public safety
ecosystem.
The framework.
Starts with the.
Understanding that we cannot do
this alone.
Safer communities require
integrated action.
Across law.
Enforcement, behavioral health
,victim.
Services.
>> corrections, technology.
Use services.
Workforce development.
And community partners.
The model.
Connects the work.
Across the.
>> continuum detecting.
Threats, analyzing information
.
And intervening effectively and
stabilizing.
Individuals and families,
supporting reintegration and.
creating the.
>> conditions for people.
And the neighborhoods.
To thrive.
We will use technology as.
>> a and data as a connective
tissue.
Regional data sharing, real
time.
Intelligence analytics and.
Modernized public.
Safety technology help.
>> our.
Partners develop.
>> a more complete picture of
threats.
Needs, interventions.
And outcomes.
This is what makes charlotte.
Mecklenburg competitive.
The region already has.
Many many of the necessary
partners.
Capabilities and initiatives.
The missing opportunity will.
Allow us to connect.
Accelerate and scale them.
While the whole of the city
approach.
Describes the.
>> system how.
>> the system.
Works at.
>> a.
Macro level.
The micro.
Level view.
It asks.
What happens to an individual.
Victim or.
Alleged offender as they move
through the.
System.
>> at the.
Macro level, mci.
Builds a.
Coordinated public safety
ecosystem at the micro.
Level it ensures that that
ecosystem works for the.
individual protecting the
victim holding.
The offender appropriately
accountable, addressing the.
Conditions that contribute.
To the.
Future violence and creating a
pathway towards recovery.
>> and stability.
Our goal is not simply to
respond.
>> to an incident.
Prevention crisis.
Stabilization investigation.
Treatment, supervision.
Housing.
>> employment and other
services create multiple.
Opportunities to.
Interrupt future.
Violence.
>> so as stated before.
>> in order.
To move forward to.
Take these initial steps.
>> we.
Will need.
Support from all the
individuals.
Listed on this.
>> list here beginning with the
mayor from the manager to our
prosecutors, our U.S.
Attorney's.
Office.
>> our district.
Attorney, our U.S. Attorney I
believe is in the audience with
us today.
Our sheriff, our city council.
Director of.
Health and human services and
then also.
Adult corrections.
>> and community partners.
So far we've been successful in
getting in speaking and meeting
with all.
These entities.
Um.
>> and we feel.
Comfortable that.
We can.
Move forward in.
>> at least doing.
>> the initial.
Steps of.
>> this grant.
Right.
>> and at this time.
>> we.
Will open up.
To any questions you MAY have
of us.
Thank you, chief patterson.
I've got.
Three council members who have
asked to uh to be.
>> now.
For starting with council
member mayfield.
Thank you mayor.
Thank you.
Excuse me, chief and team, a
couple of.
Questions.
What's the.
>> financial expectation.
Of the city yet since this is
only a three year grant.
So after that what happens?
Yes, sir.
Yes, ma'am.
So the city would have to
assume any, uh, positions that
we are asking for if we were
able to award those.
We are asking for a.
>> few.
Positions.
>> uh, for.
>> our.
Crime gun unit and.
>> also.
For our jade in our, um, gang
units.
So the.
>> city would be.
Responsible for, um.
Continuing those positions
after the grant funding.
Runs out.
>> the ex.
So it would be helpful to know
exactly.
>> what that.
Cost is.
>> we just passed our budget.
So you're.
Talking about us having to
identify additional staff that
will not be paid for.
Through this grant?
Uh, I also want to make sure
that my colleagues.
Understand.
>> that a concern that I have
is one that the details MAY
determine.
Whether this initiative
functions primarily as a
targeted crime reduction grant
or honestly becomes.
>> a major.
Federal accelerator.
For local surveillance
infrastructure.
So when we.
Look, uh, what was just
mentioned as far as the fact
that the initiative supports a
wide range of public safety
activities.
I want us to be very cognizant
.
That the city's selected for
funding will be expected to
demonstrate.
Measurable reductions in crime
.
While serving as.
So-called national models.
How do we.
Measure identify measurable
reductions?
So let's think about.
>> for profit prisons.
>> they're only as successful
as the body system.
So when we're talking about
potentially accepting.
>> a grant which.
>> is.
Interesting that 300 million is
the new magic number.
That keeps going around.
But if.
We're talking.
About this 300 million.
That MAY be available.
In awards but that's only
expected for 2 to.
>> 4.
Jurisdictions, I have.
Some concerns as.
Far as.
The expectations.
Of the fact that we.
Will be.
>> turning our local.
Law enforcement over.
To federal agencies because
there will be a lot.
More scrutiny.
When we look at the cities that
will be.
Selected for this and that.
Scrutiny will be under.
Federal guidelines versus we
have put a lot.
Of energy.
And I feel like we will be
setting ourselves up will be a.
Very contradictory to say that
we care.
About our local community and.
We're trying to.
Create a safe neighborhood.
And then.
>> we're bringing.
In federal level.
Engagement utilizing of which.
The grant itself shows the
opportunity of advance
artificial intelligence.
Access.
>> how they.
Plan to invest in technology,
what they say is strengthening
behavioral services for a three
year period that we're looking
at long term impact.
On and I'm.
Very concerned about what that
could mean for our.
Local community.
As far as enforcement and
militarizing our police.
On a federal level and how that
will be used to how that can be
used against our residents and
our citizens.
So I did.
Want to.
Share the concerns that I have
mayor for that I am not going.
To support.
Us moving.
Forward with this, but I do.
Want to make.
>> sure that we have some very
transparent conversations
around what it potentially can
be and what it actually looks
like, especially when this is a
part of the alleged big
beautiful bill.
I have a lot of concerns of how
that impacts.
Our majority minority.
Community that we have worked
hard to become.
A city.
For all.
And how that could.
Create an environment where we
are not a city.
>> for all.
Thank you.
>> thank you council member
mayfield and again just for the
for understanding this is a
preview item um held over from
our earlier session.
This is the first time it's
come before us anticipate that
it will come back before.
>> us.
But this.
Is a preview.
um, I have a council member as
mirror.
Thank you.
>> mayor harrington.
So, chief, as you know, um, I
supported this item at the
committee level.
Because we should always look
for.
Resources to keep our.
Community safe.
But since then I.
Have received a number of calls
from various community
organizations, especially from
immigrant and refugee community
concerned about this as well
as.
I read about.
Um.
What are the implications of
this.
Dollars in knpr as well as
guardian about how this
dollars.
>> are.
Attached with the federal.
Immigration enforcement?
So if you could just.
Help me understand so I have a
number of questions, um, which
I'm going to take my time
asking because I do want the
community to know that we are
doing our due diligence.
So first.
Do we.
Have to certify compliance with
immigration.
Enforcement?
>> uh, if we were to be awarded
this grant and precisely what.
>> would.
That require cmpd to do?
Okay.
>> yes ma'am.
And I'm x MISS Battle to come
down just to talk from the.
Legal perspective but I will
state um as the chief of this
city that.
Uh, we would not.
Consent or we would.
>> not.
Accept award.
Dollars that is inconsistent
with our values of this city as
a police department we don't
enforce immigration laws.
That would be our stance and
that would be our.
Position because that's what is
currently is.
Right now.
But I'm being asked MISS Battle
should come forth just to talk
about our compliance or what
this grant MAY require.
>> as.
It pertains.
>> to ice.
And immigration.
Good evening.
Again jessica battle with.
The city attorney's office.
The grant application.
Process would require the.
Mayor or a senior.
Official from the city of
charlotte to sign certain
certifications as part of the.
Grant process.
That certification document
does reference several.
Federal statutes, um.
That the city would.
Have to.
>> comply with those statutes
on their face.
Do not create.
Any affirmative.
Duty on.
>> the law enforcement agency.
Or the.
City to.
Communicate or share
information with immigration.
Um the.
Certification document that
would.
need to be signed.
Also does not.
Create any affirmative duty.
On the city of charlotte or the
applying law enforcement
agency.
To have any affirmative duty to
share information with ice or
federal immigration entities.
Um.
If cmpd were.
>> to be.
Awarded the.
Grant when those grant.
Documents are.
>> presented to cpd.
>> they would.
>> be thoroughly reviewed.
By the city attorney's.
Office and any other.
Um affected.
City departments to see.
What if.
Any clauses existed about.
Cooperation with the federal.
Government in cooperation with
ice.
Specifically and at that point
between this council.
>> and the chief of.
Police in the.
Collaborative discussions like
.
This it will.
>> be.
Determined whether or.
Not cpd.
And the city would actually.
Accept the grant based.
On any.
>> clauses related to.
Immigration and the city's
overall.
Goals and objectives.
Uh thank you attorney battle
for that clarification.
Just wanted to follow up on
that.
So before any application
proceeds will council receive
the complete certification
including conditions and
criteria and.
Proposed commitments in
writing?
Uh, before we.
Publicly vote?
Yes, the.
>> certification document.
Is a one.
Page document.
With several.
Clauses on.
It that.
Would certainly.
>> be shared.
With this council.
Before signing and again the.
Signer being the.
Mayor or another senior
official.
Um at.
His designation.
>> but there will be full
disclosure and discussion of.
>> each of.
Those clauses.
And we do.
Have line.
By line.
Summaries of.
Each and every federal.
Statute referenced in that
document.
I appreciate that.
Uh, to.
>> um sorry.
Um, COUNCILMAN.
>> and.
We would.
>> add.
To that.
>> our partners as well because
we wouldn't enter.
And would.
>> would not enter.
>> in this.
By ourselves.
So we would have all our county
partners, our community
partners as well bringing them
to the table.
>> so.
They.
Know all.
>> the.
Provisions that are part of
this.
>> um grant.
Thank you.
>> I always appreciate your
collaborative leadership.
Uh, chief.
Patterson so.
One more so.
I noticed in some of this, um,
as I.
>> was.
Reading through and doing.
Uh.
>> some research on this, it
talked about potential
financial exposure.
Uh, under the.
Provision requiring
reimbursement.
For future federal law.
Enforcement intervention.
Could you speak to.
That?
>> and who.
Decides when the obligations
trigger trigger.
Can to.
So we won't know what the
terms.
And conditions are.
Until we.
Actually receive.
>> an award.
.
>> and so.
That would outline what.
You know is expected.
And right now.
All we know.
Is exactly what you're reading
there and.
>> there.
Really is no more information
at this.
>> point in time.
So we would have to wait until
we received.
>> an.
Award and.
Then it would outline.
>> what.
We were.
Required to do.
So so do.
A follow.
Up on that if we were.
To be.
One of the select.
One of the or.
One of the.
Cities that receives the.
Award would.
Would that come back to.
Council with all the criteria
and terms and conditions before
before we say yes.
Yes we would.
>> have.
To come.
Back to council.
It would.
>> go like um MISS Battle said.
Through the city.
Attorney's office.
Because it is.
>> a contract and then it
would.
>> go through.
Council to.
Accept the.
>> award or not.
Okay that's fair and our.
Partners um.
So uh while if.
>> we.
Can also look at.
Uh in addition to financial.
Exposure I would also like.
Us to.
Also look into uh funding
concerning homelessness and
mental health treatment.
Um, our.
public public.
Space enforcement that we would
be liable for in terms of
enforcing uh, so as that could.
>> be part.
Of the due diligence if we were
to be awarded this grant.
Um.
>> councilmember ajmera.
Yes.
>> if I MAY add.
Another statement about the.
Financial obligations.
There is a clause.
In the grant application.
>> that.
If there were to be a.
Quote, surge in.
Violence in the city of.
Charlotte that required.
Um deployment of federal
resources.
The city of charlotte.
Would be.
Respond or.
>> excuse me the granting.
And any.
Associated sub grantees.
>> would be responsible for
reimbursement for the cost of
that um.
Federal deployment.
>> in the city.
So that's in the application
right now?
Yes.
Okay.
So there is something
concerning to me here because
we do not know.
>> what their exposure.
Is if we can put that exposure
in numbers, if you're receiving
$300 million but if our
exposure.
Is 700.
800 or $1 billion we need to be
talking about that now.
Um, if you have fallen.
>> I'm sure.
we would.
>> not have a number.
At this time if federal
resources were to be deployed.
>> to.
This city.
It will be.
>> calculated based on whatever
calculations.
That the particular federal.
Agency uses.
Similar to if if the city of
um.
Excuse me if cmpd has.
>> to use resources for certain
events and where we charge for
the resources of.
Officers that need to be
deployed in a sort of emergency
.
Situation, um, caused by.
A private business.
For example.
The city has calculations for.
The cost.
Of that resource.
Um.
>> the federal government.
Has the same.
We would not know the.
Exact cost.
Unless and.
>> until federal resources were
actually.
Deployed here.
And then we sort of get an
invoicing of.
>> the.
Costs of.
That deployment.
I get.
That because.
The it depends on number of
days, number of troops that are
involved.
Right.
All of that.
But I think we should have.
Some sort.
>> of.
understanding going into this
before we even apply um what
that looks like because some
cities have gotten large
invoices.
So uh lastly.
Just.
>> has the city attorney.
>> uh.
Andrew, have you have
independently reviewed some of
these conditions and their
compatibility with our existing
city policies?
I have review them.
I've obviously had.
Staff engaged.
In the matter.
And we will continue.
To explore it based.
>> upon the additional concerns
that council is here tonight.
Okay.
>> I have a.
>> couple of questions.
Hold on.
Um.
So.
Chief I appreciate.
>> you saying that we will not
compromise on our values and
one of our values is that we.
Value the trust in.
Our communities.
Regardless of where they come
from and what their immigration
status.
Might be.
Because if someone when victim
is afraid to call 911 or a
witness is not willing to
testify because they are
afraid.
Of cmpd.
Collaborating with federal law
and federal immigration
enforcement, then we are losing
that.
Trust and that makes all of us
unsafe.
so, uh, I appreciate you saying
that we will not compromise on
our values.
So the.
>> question remains.
About our financial exposure
and I think we.
Need some more.
Clarity on that.
I certainly appreciate and
support.
All the grant that are.
Available, uh, to keep our
community safe.
Um, but a line that I cannot
cross is the any collaboration
with federal immigration
enforcement.
Um.
And that's all I have.
Thank you.
Council member edgemere.
Um, I would.
For the.
Council I would say that we
work with our federal.
Partners right now each in our
.
Separate zones.
So we as a police department we
enforce the law.
We don't enforce immigration.
We don't enforce administrative
warrants and those kinds of
things.
So we have no intentions of
deviating from that.
We will remain in our lane.
Um where we enforce the law.
>> and.
Any criminal.
Action that.
>> occurs.
I to remember.
Watlington just one last
comment if I MAY because I
appreciate you saying.
>> that.
But today.
This morning npr released an
article that stated that this
funding was specifically tied
to.
Federal enforcement.
Federal immigration.
Enforcement uh, guardian as
well.
So I think we just want to
double check that's all I have.
Thank you.
Thank you, councilmember
watlington.
Thank you.
>> MR. Mayor.
Um, following up on that, I'm
actually looking at the nlc,
uh, website that's speaking to
this particular.
Um.
>> initiative and there are a
couple of things that jump out
at me the first one being that
.
Um.
>> exactly like.
Was just mentioned.
It says here.
That finally local government
should carefully review all
eligibility requirements and
certifications.
The solicitation includes
provisions related to federal
immigration information sharing
requirements and identifies
certain activities that are not
eligible for funding.
Um so I would like to
understand very very clearly
what specifically that means
because it does raise concern.
Um and it's not something I
will be prepared to uh, support
at this time.
Um, the other piece that stuck
out to me, um, about this
particular initiative is that
it says dog or excuse me, doj
will administer the initiative
through cooperative agreements
rather than traditional grants
.
This structure allows doj to
maintain a more active role in
project planning,
implementation and oversight
throughout the award period.
Communities should be prepared
for a higher level of federal
engagement than they MAY
experience under other grant
programs.
So both of those things for me
are frankly red flags.
Um.
>> so I would really want to
understand much more
specifically what has been
reviewed.
I know uh both attorneys have
mentioned that they reviewed it
and that the on its face is in
conflict.
I'd like to see that line by
line because what I'm reading
here is is extremely concerning
for me.
Um, I'd also like to
understand.
Um.
,what specifically.
We would be using this or
hoping.
>> to use.
This funding for if we're
looking at $300 million and 2
to 4 million or 2 to 4 um
cities being awarded
essentially 75 to $150 million
and if what we're able to um,
purchase if you will or what's
eligible for support is hiring
and retention purchase or lease
of equipment, tools or
technology training and
professional development
facility costs, mental health
and substance use services,
reentry transitional support
and recidivism reduction
programs or services, victim
services and youth crime
prevention and intervention
services.
I'd be I'd like to see um.
What it is specifically that we
would be asking for to the tune
of 75 to 150 million before I
could be in position to uh to
support anything.
Uh.
>> I'd like I would want to see
what we have currently
particularly.
>> with.
As it relates.
>> to.
Uh, technology.
Is it doing the job and what
additional investment would
actually get us?
Um, because I've got um
tremendous concern in regards
to how this enables um, uh, the
acceleration of artificial
intelligence systems etc. Etc.
I would want to know
specifically how it's used,
especially given that the
federal government would then
be much more involved in the
implementation and oversight.
Where I sit right now I'm not
interested in supporting this.
Um, it feels far more risky
than than what we know at this
point just given the track
record frankly of this
administration respectfully it
feels like we are.
Opening pandora's box.
But um.
I know we're not voting today
so.
Certainly I remain open to
additional information but
there's there's a lot here that
I would need to be a lot more.
Comfortable with.
Sure.
>> and thank you for that
doctor watlington and so we do
have a listing of items that we
are asking in meeting with all
our.
Partners um, to be able to put
this whole system together.
So we're happy to get a listing
of that as we're still.
Working through.
Those final details.
Um, we.
Just have.
>> a deadline of SEPTEMBER.
>> 1st and so we wanted.
>> to bring it.
Before you.
>> but we would certainly get
that list to you.
Thank you.
>> thank you.
>> doctor watlington.
Um, now we have council member
monsieur ortiz.
Uh, thank you so much.
Um.
>> thank you, chief for.
The presentation and thank you,
council.
Member anderson, for all your
work to bring this work to
council.
Um.
>> I want to.
Uh, thank you.
>> chief, for your, uh,
unwavering commitment to.
Reduce crime.
>> in our city.
>> I really.
Appreciate it.
And I, uh, I.
Support pursuing resources.
>> that generally make.
Charlotte safe.
Uh.
>> but I do have some.
Concerns and.
Hesitation.
>> uh.
>> particularly when in the doj
website under the.
Office of public affairs and
the press release, this grant
is.
Titled making america safe.
Again and, um.
I.
>> I want.
>> to talk.
Briefly about.
Just I have a question in the
presentation and in the grant.
Is our memphis.
And washington dc.
Stated as.
Models for this initiative.
They are they are however they
are not receiving funding.
Memphis is not receiving.
Funding for this.
>> they're not receiving
funding.
Thank you so much.
I only.
Bring this up to my colleagues
because uh, the.
Type of.
>> federal local policing this
.
Program seeks to.
Replicate.
>> um, has.
>> already produced serious
consequences in memphis.
Four people were killed an.
Officer involved.
Encounters connected.
>> to the memphis safe.
Task force within.
Approximately two months.
One was.
>> tyron johnson, a 24.
>> year old father who worked.
>> in his family's construction
business and another was jonah
nell, uh.
25 year old reportedly.
Experiencing a mental health.
Crisis when he was killed
during.
>> an encounter.
Involving a.
>> homeland security agent.
Uh.
The individual.
Circumstances remain subject to
investigation for.
>> four people losing their
lives.
I don't think can be.
Treated as an administrative
detail.
Um, for a grant.
And then national uh, in.
Washington retired army
captain.
And a.
>> king was detained by guard
members.
Outside her own home.
Uh, her attorneys.
Allege she was assaulted while
exercising her.
Uh, free speech rights and
authorities have offered a
different account.
Reading an earlier encounter.
I also want to.
Talk about last year.
Operation charlotte's web
lasted.
Only a.
>> matter of days.
Uh, but its effects were
immediate.
Approximately 370 people were
arrested in the charlotte area
over five days.
Children MISS School because.
Their parents.
>> feared family separation.
Work or stay home.
Families avoiding grocery
stores, medical.
Appointments in.
>> public spaces.
Um and heavily armed.
Federal agents operated.
In our neighborhoods and.
used unmarked vehicles.
>> now I understand this is.
>> a.
Grant memphis.
>> doesn't have the funding at
um and it's but it's.
A model.
A pattern we're seeing.
When federal.
Law enforcement agents.
Are in.
Our cities east charlotte small
businesses were also harmed.
Businesses reported losing an.
Average of approximately a 2500
2500 per day.
Some reported.
Losses as high as.
$12,000.
>> uh and nearly half of the.
Surveyed businesses.
>> closed.
For at least three days.
Um cmpd.
Has reportedly.
Assured residents that it.
Does not participate in
planning.
>> or executing ice.
>> or cbp operations.
Thank you.
>> actually.
Patterson and.
Um, the divisions.
In east east where.
Independent security grow for
your.
Commitment during.
>> the operation to ensure our
immigrant.
Communities were safe.
However.
>> after doing some research
the.
Model cities.
Solicitation prioritizes.
Supporting law enforcement.
Operations including.
Immigration enforcement.
Contains conditions involving.
dhs access.
Requires honoring certain dhs
requests.
>> and providing requested
notice.
So my questions in regards to.
That can.
You guarantee in.
Writing that.
>> cmpd personnel facilities.
Databases.
>> surveillance technology.
Intelligence and other
resources will.
>> never be.
>> used.
To support immigration
enforcement through.
This agreement?
I would tell you that under our
current law where we are not
compelled.
To do.
>> that.
We are not doing it and.
>> we.
Won't do that.
Uh.
>> fda directs charlotte to
provide.
Assistance that conflicts with
cmpd current policy can
charlotte refuse without.
Losing funding or being.
Required to repay it?
That is what we need
clarification.
>> and I don't.
>> know that we have.
>> the.
Direct answer to that just yet
.
Um, we are asking those
questions of the.
Doj so that we can.
Know better what that means.
Thank you.
>> um, and we just.
Spoke about this.
Briefly the solicitation um.
says a participating city could
be required to reimburse the
federal government.
We just spoke about this for.
A future.
Intervention following an
increase in.
Violent crime or.
Quote unquote public disorder.
>> that to.
Me raises several unanswered
questions particularly who
defines quote.
Unquote public.
This order.
Could include.
Demonstrations.
>> civil rights.
Protests or.
Opposition to.
>> federal activity.
Uh who.
>> decides when.
Federal intervention.
Is necessary?
Who determines what personnel
resources are deployed?
Is there.
>> a maximum amount.
Can be required to repay.
And can charlotte taxpayers who
just.
Recently saw an increase in.
Their property taxes be charged
for an.
Intervention the.
>> city did not request and
does not support and so.
I and then we you.
>> all just mentioned.
We still have.
>> no.
Knowledge of terms and.
Conditions until a warning.
Which seems like um and I'm now
I'm talking to my.
Colleagues.
That we're.
Running into.
With signing agreements.
that we.
>> don't know what.
>> we're.
Walking into.
Uh re.
I-77 that was and.
So I just don't think.
We as a city.
Who is.
>> welcoming to immigrants and.
People from.
>> different backgrounds.
Should sign a blank check for a
.
Future federal.
>> operation whose.
Trigger scope.
And cost have not been defined.
Um.
>> this is.
>> not a.
>> traditional federal grant as
.
The press release has.
Mentions as.
Npr, the guardian and other
news.
Agencies have reported on.
It is a cooperative agreement
that gives doj substantial
involvement in.
Charlotte's implementation plan
the.
Budget.
>> the selection of partners,
program.
Milestones, potential direction
over implementation.
And before any.
Application submitted.
And chief.
Um please.
Correct me if.
>> I'm wrong.
Um.
>> we we.
Council would.
Receive a complete proposed
application every.
Letter of support or.
proposed commitment and a
written legal analysis
explaining every obligation
charlotte would accept.
We would prepare um information
to give to you related to the
grant itself what information
we.
Have about some.
>> of.
The questions you posed.
And what we will or not accept
because at the end of the day
if charlotte.
Were to be awarded.
This grant and it laid out all
these stipulations like you've.
Stated like.
Doctor walton.
Stated the council member MAY
feel stated and we were not.
In agreement.
>> with.
That we would.
>> not.
Accept these.
>> funds and I have said that
repeatedly to our partners and
everyone else.
We don't have all those answers
.
Unfortunately we won't.
We're seeking those answers but
I am clear.
That we.
>> would not.
Accept a grant that goes
against what we as a.
City and.
>> a.
County feel.
>> are our values.
I appreciate that thank you.
Um, so to my colleagues I want
us the queen city to.
>> have.
The resources.
Needed to prevent violence.
And protect our residents.
Um, we can.
invest in.
Youth intervention.
Uh, victim.
Services housing.
Which we will be.
Meeting tomorrow.
>> to talk about our housing
trust.
>> fund policy.
And accountable.
Community policing.
We can.
Make those investments.
But I.
Believe we can make them
without giving the.
Federal government undefined.
Authority over.
>> our residents.
And charlotte has already
experienced.
>> what happens when a.
Federal surge enters.
Our community.
Memphis and.
Washington provide those.
Additional warnings.
About how.
>> federalized and militarized
operations.
>> can.
Escalate.
>> and charlotte should not
have to.
Choose between.
Federal dollars and the rights
.
Safety, dignity and trust of.
Our residents.
And so unless.
>> we get.
Clear written and legal
binding.
Answers regarding immigration,
um enforcement.
Federal control, national.
Guard deployment.
Information sharing, civil
rights.
Protections, financial
liability.
And charlotte's ability to
withdraw without penalty.
I cannot.
Support moving forward with
this application.
Thank you.
>> council member MR. Arias.
Um again this is a first read
of this or first.
A preview of this uh, council
member owens next.
Thank you.
>> mayor, I appreciate you.
I.
>> um I.
>> just want.
To.
Speak for my.
Colleagues who were.
>> not at.
>> the safety committee meeting
.
I did.
Elevate some.
>> concerns that I had.
That I.
>> was I.
Was graced.
With.
.
Um with.
Chair anderson's, um, good
discretion in.
>> letting.
Me ask a couple.
>> of.
Questions even.
>> though I'm not on.
>> that.
Committee and.
>> the.
Response of, um.
My residents.
With respect to the questions.
>> that I put into the room.
>> is why.
>> I have.
>> some.
confidence bringing these here.
Before you.
Um.
>> one of the comments that I
made.
During the initial presentation
to.
>> the.
Safety committee.
Was around.
Um.
>> my concern.
That um.
There seems to be.
A lot.
>> of.
Energy around.
Data collection.
And the use of data.
And we've already seen.
Through a.
>> number.
Of of.
Um.
>> really unfortunate.
Misuses of.
>> flock data.
Misuses of systems that exist
that store.
Um our.
Comings and goings around our
cities.
Um.
>> you know.
>> I, I.
>> wanted to raise.
>> that.
Into the room because while I
am very supportive of a number
of the elements of.
>> these.
Seven items that have been.
Listed for.
Us that are.
Supposed to.
>> be.
The.
Hallmarks of.
>> what would be part of.
Your plan.
.
>> I am unsupportive.
Of a.
Continued um.
Collection of data uh.
Just fairly.
Blindly uh, against all of our
citizens and the access.
That that data.
Um.
>> provides to either.
Federal law.
Enforcement or.
As has.
Been shown with cmpd.
>> and.
Other officers, misuse.
Of that data.
>> that gives me.
Great pause.
And so I did.
Elevate that into the room.
In addition to the ice concerns
that have already.
>> been.
Raised by my colleagues, I
would simply.
Say on this.
Point that um.
One of the.
>> things that gave me.
The most pause from the
presentation was any
descriptions of the ability I
believe it's this is a very.
Tiny slide but I believe.
>> it says in here.
To predict.
Crime and I.
Just want to.
>> be very.
Clear that I understand um.
Uh.
>> what we mean.
By that and what.
We are doing with.
The data.
That we.
Would be.
>> getting in.
>> addition to what we.
Already have.
That would be in furtherance of
predicting crime.
Can you can you speak to that
element.
And how much of your grant
application would involve
predicting.
Crime as.
Opposed to.
Some of.
>> the.
Things like I've been.
Told the katy blessing center
might.
>> get more.
Money for mental health.
That obviously.
>> is.
A net good.
>> but.
Help me.
>> understand your percentages
.
Sure and.
We would ask for probably a
minimal amount for predictive
analysis kinds of things.
What we do is with crime is we
gather data about where it's
occurring, where the.
Hotspots are located and then.
We know.
Where to.
>> effectively deploy.
Our resources.
>> um, similar like to the.
Corridors of opportunity.
So that is what we do primarily
is is data collection and we're
asking to be able to expand
that so that we can have more
analysts who are looking at
that data and being able to
determine where the crime is
occurring and where we should.
Have our resources.
For instance, we're asking for
a more analyst for our crime
gun.
Unit also for our.
Rapid dna unit.
Again, these are just.
>> people.
Who are going to process.
Information and help us to
understand where crime is.
We are not we have not had any
discussions I don't believe in
kelly can help me out of.
Any devices.
>> that are.
Just like a.
Predictive analysis, um kind of
thing.
I remember very clearly having
something like that um, in 2010
,uh, under.
>> chief.
Monroe and we have kind of
moved away from that now it's
more just about data collection
and knowing where to put our.
Resources effectively.
Thank you.
>> chief, if I.
>> can.
Continue I just.
Um I've.
Received some information.
Some from again some of my
constituents who have been very
concerned.
>> about the use of block.
Cameras particularly.
Um.
>> an.
Expansion of.
The network.
Of cameras.
>> that would exist in
charlotte.
And they've.
Cited for.
>> me and I have not done.
>> my.
Own research.
On this.
>> so my apologies if this
seems off.
>> it seems to be well
supported in.
Some of the journalism that.
I've been handed.
But the.
Experience in.
>> atlanta where.
They've got.
28,000 integrated cameras.
A number.
>> of.
The headlines that.
I've been provided.
Suggest that.
That has.
>> not improved the city's.
Crime clearance rates.
Could you speak to your
thoughts on that if you have.
Any or.
>> if not we can.
Comment later.
But as.
It pertains to flat cameras so
we don't own any flock cameras
at cmpd we have access to the
data.
But we do not own any flock
cameras.
My experience have been with
cameras.
They um do well for a city.
They do well for.
Crime reduction because that's
more eyes and ears um in
various places and that's why
we have been asking with our
fuzes or our connect charlotte
to have more cameras connected.
>> I think.
We've been able we have
examples where we have solved
crime as a result of having
those cameras in place.
Um we do not have flock cameras
for a reason, but having access
to that data does help us to
determine where crime is
occurring and who's responsible
for that crime.
>> when.
We can.
>> put.
The pieces together.
So if this grant.
>> were awarded.
>> would.
There be.
>> an expansion.
>> in.
Your mind.
Of our.
Alpr technology?
We would probably use some.
For it because there is value
in our um lpr but we are
wanting to use.
Um specifically.
To for our evidence management
system.
>> to expand.
It for our camera camera
trailers so that we can do
speed enforcement.
Our consolidated cad which is
with our fire department that
is something they have asked
for.
That's the technology that.
>> we're.
Seeking with these.
Dollars also to evidence
sharing platforms so that we
can.
Move cases along.
With the.
District attorney's.
Office and with our other law
enforcement partners.
These are some of the areas we
want to make the investments in
the.
Technology also to our cyber
crime unit, our internet
platform because we have so
much data that's always coming
in from phones as they store
more information we.
>> need.
to.
Be able.
>> when we see that as evidence
to be able to get that
information.
So these are the these are
things that we have in place.
We want to expand them as our
city is.
Growing resources are moving
faster and the fact.
That we can't keep.
>> up.
With it as it is.
So in.
This grant we.
>> were.
Awarded dollars we'd want to
use them in.
Those areas.
>> of technology.
>> and there's others.
>> as well.
I don't know if kelly wants to
chime in.
>> but.
These are the main ones that I
know you.
Okay with with respect chief
and.
I really don't want to.
Substitute my.
My judgment.
>> for yours.
I'll simply say.
That I'm I'm elevating.
>> the concerns of our citizens
who feel as.
Though there are a lot.
Of potential.
Um.
>> downfalls to an increased
reliance, particularly.
Around any.
>> sort of predictive
analytics, particularly.
Around the.
Retention of.
Otherwise law.
Abiding citizens comings and
goings.
And the.
Ability of folks who do.
Not need to have.
Access to that data to.
Continue to access it.
So I would not be.
>> in.
Favor of anything.
>> that would.
Increase that.
Spend on technology.
Some of the other aspects.
>> you know.
Particularly around.
>> mental.
Health if you were.
>> to.
Advance a mental health.
Program.
>> I would be very hard pressed
to say that I would.
>> not.
Delight in having.
75 million.
>> or.
150.
Million to put into mental
health and some of the other.
Aspects of.
Quality community policing.
Um.
>> I'll I'll end simply by.
Saying that.
One of.
>> my.
Concerns with this and.
I tried.
>> to articulate this.
Earlier but.
I hear you say that you
wouldn't accept it but
acceptance of this.
Grant feels.
To me.
>> that it would.
Put the.
Potential for a real.
Target on.
Charlotte if we were to decide
later on.
Not to accept it.
After applying.
I fear.
That that.
Would make us.
Appear to.
Be a scofflaw.
Of of.
Violent crime prevention um
strategies and that is nothing
could be further.
From the truth.
None of us.
Wants to see an increase in.
Violent crime.
And all of us want to enable
you to do that.
My my my concern.
>> though is that.
Enabling you to seek this grant
that we set ourselves up for
some some tentacles that we're
just not fully appreciative of
.
So I um.
I'm cautiously.
Optimistic that we can get to a
better spot on this but thank
you.
>> thank you council member.
O and um, council.
Member um driggs.
>> and then council member
johnson.
Thank you.
Mayor.
Uh, it's interesting to me that
this conversation is actually
quite different from the one we
had in committee.
Um.
My initial impression was, uh
wow.
You know, an opportunity to
make a huge investment in
safety at no cost to local
taxpayers.
Sounds great.
Um.
>> but, uh.
There are strings attached in
the way.
They presented.
So.
Uh.
>> chief, I guess what I would
say to you is I still hope that
we.
>> can.
Get the benefit.
Of an improvement.
>> in safety and no cost to
local taxpayers.
Uh, but I think.
What you're.
>> hearing here is that we.
>> have.
Our strings to, uh.
And so, uh, the.
Question to you then.
As you.
>> listen to.
>> what.
You're being.
>> told is, uh, I do you.
Remain confident.
That you can uphold the, uh,
values of charlotte.
And push back against
interference in our conduct of
our affairs if we accept this
money?
Um.
>> so, uh, I hope that we won't
kill this now.
I hope that we will.
Uh that we will continue to.
Explore this and, uh, that we
will potentially get the
benefit if successful which is
not assured but that uh that we
will uh hopefully get the
benefit of uh.
Uh.
,investments that really
further.
Your purpose.
And align with what.
We want.
.
>> and so and.
For now I guess I would just
say to you, uh, I hope for you
taking away from this is the
fact that you need to look
harder at what you know, what
they expect to get out of this
.
Uh, I would express a personal
concern that this gets
political.
Uh.
>> given that.
>> it's coming from the federal
government.
Um, and so I wouldn't want us
to get drawn.
Into any.
Sort of, um.
Uh.
>> representation of this grant
and of the partners in this
grant by uh, anybody at the
federal level.
I do have one question about
the.
Funding thing.
Uh, given the nature of the
investments that are allowed
here assuming we got this.
Is it.
>> possible that we could make
substantial.
Investments in in uh in capital
goods technology and things
like that.
During the three.
Years and.
>> then.
Actually have a reduced rate,
a.
Reduced need for.
Additional funding after the
three years just to sustain
those operations.
So uh.
If there is.
>> a way if if this is
something we want to do, can we
kind of front loaded in such a
way that the the need that we
have doesn't.
>> have to equal.
The amount of the grant but
that we could continue making
that the.
Grant funded.
Uh at a lower continuing
operating cost.
So I'd be interested to know
the answer to that because
there is definitely a concern
about the budget impact in year
for.
Sure and that and that is fair.
Thank you for that.
I would say that oftentimes we
find that the start up of
something is more substantial
or more expensive than to
maintain it.
So that would be something we
would look at.
And I do want to just address
your first point, which I have
to say I'm deeply.
Appreciative of.
>> all.
The concerns that have been
expressed everything that your
each council member has.
>> brought to light.
These are things that um will
weigh on us and I want to make
sure that we are being
responsible with any.
Decisions that we make.
But I just stand firm on my
position.
That I would not.
>> put.
Our.
City in.
Jeopardy or our county and that
we would bring everything to
you in writing as we are able
to really get these answers out
and if we are not in agreement
with.
it we would.
>> not move forward.
And I want to tell you.
Personally that I would be.
Very inclined.
>> to back you up.
On your uh on the outcome.
Uh, we just heard some things
here.
>> that do.
Require further thought.
Thank you sir.
Councilmember johnson.
Thank you MR. Mayor.
You know when a person.
Shows you.
>> who they are the first time
you have to believe them.
So we.
>> know that.
A trump.
Bill that.
>> says make cities.
Great again.
.
>> what that.
Make a.
>> man made.
Yeah what.
That entails.
And then.
>> todd blanch is the.
The attorney general.
>> I.
Mean the.
The grant specifically or.
>> it says.
That we have to comply with.
Different federal regulations.
One of the things the.
>> city attorney said there's.
No affirmative.
Duty to do what to report to.
.
Um where is she.
Like report.
To ice.
Is that it?
Is it.
>> there's no affirmative duty
or obligation for.
>> the.
City to share information with.
Ice or federal.
Immigration based on.
>> the.
Application or acceptance.
Of is there a.
Response?
I'm sorry.
Can you repeat.
>> that a.
Responsive duty there's.
No affirmative duty.
>> but is.
There do we know.
>> if.
There's any.
Duty to.
>> report the information?
So as part of these.
Federal grants there could be
clauses.
That state if requested cmpd.
>> of the.
City of charlotte would have
to.
Cooperate with federal
immigration entities.
Um.
>> there's no.
>> details on what that.
Cooperation looks.
>> like as the application is.
Drafted currently.
The city would.
Not have to.
>> change any of.
>> its.
Current policies.
Regarding immigration.
And ice that we currently.
>> have.
In place.
Um.
What that means is that right
now.
>> we do.
>> not have any city.
Policies that require employees
.
To violate.
Federal law.
>> and you could.
>> keep that the same.
I my.
Colleagues have made some great
points.
I agree.
With council member.
Owens if we.
It's only there's.
Only 2 or 4 cities in the whole
nation.
That are going to be.
Awarded this if we.
>> get this grant and then.
Rescind again right or within
that's going to be problematic.
And I think we.
>> as a council.
Have to learn lessons.
From some of the decisions
we've already made without.
Enough information.
>> let's think data centers.
I have.
>> a two point 5,000,000 square
foot.
Data center in the university
area because.
>> we made a decision without
enough.
Information I 77 we're looking
at a $64 million.
Penalty because.
>> we have information.
>> we listen to our our
constituents.
And uh.
>> it's a problem when.
>> we.
Do that.
We've received hundreds of
emails.
>> just.
Since we've been sitting here
tonight.
So I think.
>> that we.
have learned.
>> the lesson and.
>> I won't.
Say bank of america where.
>> it's.
Listed as.
>> one of.
The worst economic development
.
Deals in 2024 where we made the
decision without details.
So council.
We have to learn from our past
mistakes.
And so I.
>> won't be supporting this.
>> it seems.
Like we.
>> have six.
Council members that are
prepared today.
Not to move forward.
Um so.
MR. Manager I.
>> would like.
To make a motion or.
No I won't do it.
Never mind.
Sorry.
I think.
>> he got.
>> okay.
.
>> all right.
I think that we, uh are we.
Also we've got two more council
members who asked to be heard.
Seriously?
Obviously serious.
Questions being raised.
This is.
A preview.
Um.
>> we'll see where this goes
from here.
But.
>> uh, councilmember.
Johnson.
>> are you good?
Um I'm fine.
i just again those.
Three we.
>> have to think.
About the decisions we've
already made.
And how this applies, how we
move forward.
>> and MR. Manager, I really.
Really would like to change the
culture where we're not getting
the information we have the
answers to our questions.
Before it's presented to
council.
No, I.
>> think.
That when is it coming back.
To council?
When is this coming back to
council?
>> it's not on a.
Agenda.
>> thank you, MR. Mayor.
Uh I think council member
drakes is right this
conversation is different from
the the committee meeting
because now we have details
right that we didn't have.
Two weeks ago and it's called
research.
Um uh, that we were not able to
do when we get when we saw the
the presentation before.
Chief patterson, this is not
about you, right?
It's not about trust and
confidence in you.
It's trust and confidence with
our federal partners.
Let's be blunt about it right
and right.
Um, and once upon a time cities
and states with but roll.
>> over.
Backwards to do business with
the federal government because
they trust a partner they had
confidence in the partner uh
they had confidence that is a
relationship built on trust and
confidence.
Uh, what you're hearing today
is there's still confidence
that they will keep their word
.
Um.
>> that they will do what they
said they're going to do.
I will just make it up as they
go along.
And so I think the questions
that's been asked tonight is
legitimate for sure.
The research my colleagues have
done and I support it in the
committee and as soon as I got
to my car.
Someone called me and said um
uh proceed with caution, read
the details and and sent me
information.
And so I kind of.
Kind of got the initial
presentation.
All of it is good.
Council member wanted is pretty
similar to the.
>> continuum we.
>> shouldn't.
Care we had a year a year ago
right where.
>> we.
Got all.
>> the agencies working
together, all the department
was the city's responsibility,
the county's responsibility
mental health, substance abuse
all good things.
You know the federal government
wants to give us $20 million to
execute it.
Fine.
We can we trust them.
It's a valid question.
Council member graham thank you
for.
>> that perspective.
So I don't know if you can
answer maybe any questions by
SEPTEMBER 1st.
Your large task.
I don't know.
All very legitimate and some
you can't because you got the
policy and then you got the.
Politics.
>> and um if you tell the.
There's just no trust.
Yes.
>> duly noted.
Thank you.
>> council member.
Council councilmember graham
you done.
Councilmember I.
>> said it all.
Thank you.
Thank you mayor.
And um chief and team thank you
for the presentation.
And uh colleagues, thank you
for some really, really great
robust questions.
Um.
>> that I think are.
Really important and they all.
Deserve full.
Full answers.
Uh, I think the task of what
chief has before her.
And trying to.
Answer any questions is she
might be able to answer a
percentage of them now, but
quite frankly probably until
there's an advancement of a
next round.
>> in the.
Grant where there's additional
.
Details you MAY or MAY not I
don't want to speak.
>> for you.
>> but.
You MAY or MAY not have that
information around what would
be.
The real.
stickiness to um.
What are the affirmative duties
?
Right.
Um so.
I'll leave that in.
Your court.
>> to figure out what she can
answer.
What she can answer.
I will say that, um, some of
these anticipatory questions.
Um.
>> regarding affirmative duty
and, um, how we would take care
of these things if we were
advanced, etc. This sort of a
mixed bucket between sustained
sources.
So actually ftes and sources
that we'd have to.
Uh.
>> individually take.
On after a three year window
and then some accelerating
opportunities to invest in
spaces where we might not have
capital in.
Our in our budget or.
Might not want to.
>> put that burden on
taxpayers.
>> and so.
Certainly you have that in the
mix that you are.
Are putting.
Forward um, all the concerns
around ice I think are
extremely valid but also um.
We did have an event in our
community um, just a short
while ago and we did stand true
to what the chief said in terms
.
Of abiding by the law but
making.
Sure that.
If it's not within our purview
we don't participate in those
activities.
there are.
Other entities that do that and
I think I commend cmpd for
executing themselves very.
Well during.
That um, small window of time
but.
Very, very.
Difficult period of time.
Within our city.
We always want to be a
welcoming city and protect our
immigrant.
Community who just make us more
more um, beautiful.
>> and.
Diverse overall.
>> in a better city.
Uh, then the portion I'll say
is just sort of connected to
this technology piece um, that
we've talked about because just
a short while ago.
We approved.
Red light cameras that are
going to track vehicles and
other things, um, that come
within its purview and we have
621 cameras at intersections
all throughout the city of
charlotte.
And when something arises like
the event that happened last
week, um, in dilworth.
Those cameras were tapped into
to try and uh.
Very quickly.
Find an assailant.
And so I think that I bring
that up to say that I think our
stance on technology and how we
want to leverage technology um
,in terms of how we advance
policy and um, accelerate
certain things like crime.
Enforcement or reduction or
even in other areas outside of
uh public safety is something
that I think needs to be um,
more.
pronounced and not just simply
that one one off conversation
where technology is a critical
.
Piece of how the answer get
solved.
Uh, but rather take a step back
and take a 5000 uh foot view of
how the city of charlotte wants
to embrace technology to
advance ourselves in these
spaces as others as we, um,
continue to grow and celebrate
the first year of the pearl and
our innovation hub and uh, the
thousands.
Of of doctors and med tech and
health tech folks who come to
the city of charlotte and
advancing the tech um
innovation hub that's going to
go along north tryon and
connect to you and ccs um, our.
One research status there.
>> will be.
Industries that are atten.
To education and other things
that technology will grow and
advance here effectively become
incubators.
And so we might want to have a
position uh.
City manager.
On how we would like to.
Interface with.
>> technology any advancement
um, just given how quickly it
is advancing.
Before us.
So it's all ahead.
Mayor.
Thank you.
>> thank everyone.
Who has.
Asked to be heard has been
heard clearly.
Robust discussion.
We have lots of very good.
Questions not.
Inclined to do a second round
because I think we've got the
sense that there are very
serious questions uh to be
answered.
Uh look forward to getting
answers from the chief.
This is not scheduled for an
it's not an agenda item.
We know that there's a deadline
for the application and I think
council will have to consider
how to how to.
Move forward.
In one way or another with that
manager.
I have a question for the.
Manager.
>> manager jones.
This is 22 days out.
I believe from.
>> the questions that have been
asked about on this.
Council that.
At minimum six of us have
shared very clear concerns.
I do not think there.
Is support.
For staff to continue using
staff.
Resource sources.
>> to even try to investigate
this grant.
We have.
>> just gone to this and we are
having a conversation where.
Council supported.
Our representative to.
Go say yes.
For discussion to.
Get more information.
We are.
Now looking.
>> at.
60 plus million.
Dollars going back to 2018.
Because we said yes, that we
would listen.
To the potential of.
A partnership.
If it.
>> needs to be in the form of.
>> a vote.
So that is very.
>> clear.
And or we.
Need to identify a date a
deadline day.
Prior to.
>> 22 days from now.
Since this is due this
application is due SEPTEMBER.
>> 1st where.
All 80 plus.
Questions are.
Going to be answered in.
Full for.
Council to have.
Time to have a real.
Discussion and before any more.
Time is put towards this grant
application but that falls
within your wheelhouse as.
>> the manager.
If you.
>> I think you COUNCILMAN MAY
feel what I would ask is very
clear what the council's.
Position is.
Um the chief has done a great
job with her team talking to
different entities within our
community.
Um, concepts like trying to
fund a non congregate shelter,
uh, many things that, uh,
council member owens talked.
About things that are along.
>> the.
Mental health spectrum also.
So I.
Have a strong sense of where
the council's position is.
I would just like to give the
chief and her team an
opportunity to have.
Conversations with some of.
>> the partners.
That she.
>> has talked.
To up to this point.
>> if that's.
>> fair, that's fair.
Mhm.
Okay.
>> any further.
Comments or questions.
On this last word from council
member as we were a hopefully
let's be conscious of the time
.
I know chief you said a lot of
the terms and conditions are
not something that we know.
So just knowing that we have
financial exposure I think that
should be a valid reason for us
to not pursue.
This further.
And I agree with councilmember
mayfield not invest more time.
In our staff resources, um, in
this opportunity because I
think you.
Hear from at least the majority
that we are not.
So excited.
About this opportunity.
That's all I have.
Okay.
>> rest of the agenda.
So uh, from manager's report.
Yeah.
>> so we're finished with the
manager's report.
Okay.
>> so we go.
>> to.
The business.
We will move now we'll move to
the business section of our
agenda.
Our first business item is for
authorization.
Of 2026 stormwater revenue
construction period financing.
Are there any speakers on this
issue?
Okay.
>> um for item ten this is item
ten.
is there a motion to adopt a.
Bond order and resolution
authorizing the issuance of up
to $110 million of construction
period financing and calling
for the execution and delivery
of various documents in
connection with that issuance
and authorized city officials
to take necessary actions to
complete the financing,
including making the
application to local government
commission so moved.
Is there a.
Second second?
Any questions?
Discussion.
All in favor raise your hand.
Any opposed?
It passes unanimously.
Number 11 the.
Second item on the.
Business agenda is um for land
purchase for cmpd northeast
division station.
Are there any speakers on this
item?
No, sir.
Good for item 11.
Is there a motion to approve
the purchase of an
approximately 5.566 acre parcel
located on the corner of harris
boulevard and old statesville
road in the amount of
$3,745,000 and b authorize the
city manager to negotiate and
execute all documents necessary
to complete this transaction.
So there.
>> any questions?
Council member mayfield.
Thank you.
>> uh.
Actually when we had the check
in with staff on friday asked a
question specifically about.
>> the.
Land purchase, I.
>> don't know if.
Anybody in.
>> here who was actually on
that.
Call.
>> but I have.
Note where I was waiting for a
response specifically to the
question that I asked.
All right.
You asked about.
>> this particular item.
That you have and is.
Unfortunately not in my.
Follow up the staff gave to me
earlier.
The day.
Pass the question on to.
>> you not.
After the.
Session that we had the
information session we had dave
.
Johnson, major.
With the.
>> police department.
Uh it's.
>> I'm glad to try to.
Answer the question.
Now or we have.
Resources here from.
Real estate also I used.
Okay major what I was I was
just trying to.
Um we're looking.
>> at.
A purchase price of this of.
3.7. $3,745,000.
So I did have a specific
question that I asked that but
the staff are not here nor that
they respond.
To so.
That's not helping me.
So manager jones.
If we're going.
>> to have.
A meeting on.
Friday as well as monday it
would be helpful for that.
what questions we asked
actually make their way back to
it.
Major.
>> I'm not going.
>> to.
Hit you with a question tonight
that you didn't have two days
to.
Prepare for.
.
>> since I initially asked this
on friday afternoon.
>> and.
I checked.
Into.
>> any further discussion on
this motion or any subsequent
any um other.
Motions with regard to the.
Action item.
That's on me.
>> you can.
Go to.
Calling the question uh, all in
favor of the motion as outlined
in item 11 and previously read
please raise your hand.
Okay.
>> any opposed?
The motion carries tonight
count city council will also
make nominations to boards and
commissions.
The council members submitted
their nominations earlier to
the clerk via email.
Names of nominees will not be
read at the dais tomorrow the
clerk will email.
City council.
>> the names of applicants that
received.
At least two nominations.
These candidates will be
considered for appointment at
the next.
Business meeting.
Any applicant receiving six or
more nominations can be
considered for appointment
tonight on a motion second and
majority vote of council.
The names of all nominees will
be recorded in the official
minutes of the meeting.
The clerk will now proceed with
announcing the results of the.
Nomination and then council
member mayfield, do you have a
question after those are read?
He's going um.
I saw you.
>> it.
Was not.
Clear the.
Way you started.
Out.
>> mayor harrington.
>> but.
I believe at the end.
You stated.
That the clerk.
Is going to announce.
Who received.
Six or more books.
The correct.
My apologies when you were
reading there.
Sounded like.
>> we were saying we weren't.
>> gonna.
Out now.
Who was nominated?
So we're not going to announce
other than.
Six who are.
>> actually a former member
jones thank.
>> you.
Thank you.
Thank you I do have.
>> a question and we can talk
about this with the clerk's
office later.
But the.
These boards how are we hearing
.
Uh how is council.
>> hearing from the boards?
um, I.
>> know that have city staff.
That they.
>> the the.
Liaison but.
I'd like to hear.
From the board.
Sometimes um.
Specifically the domestic
domestic violence board.
I want.
>> to know if.
>> we are.
Intentional about having
survivors.
On that.
Board and then what committee
does that board.
Report to?
Um, and.
>> have we had presentations.
From this.
>> board or any of.
>> the boards?
Domestic violence is.
So serious and tragic in our
community.
So I like us to.
>> be intentional about making
I know the recommended target.
Um individuals I think they
were both.
Males and not that men can't be
victims of domestic violence
but.
>> I want to know how.
Intentional we are.
About making sure.
There's peers.
On these.
>> boards that's all.
Yeah.
>> so just for clarification, I
think the only thing we will
decide tonight is that if there
are nominations by six of the
members.
But let me also.
Let council member anderson
respond.
thank you.
>> mayor harrington.
I just wanted to respond to
your question.
Uh, colleague yes, the domestic
violence board falls underneath
the public safety committee and
we've actually had them already
come to committee and present
to us and share.
With us some of their concerns
.
And so we're committed to doing
that at least on a quarterly
basis is to have those um, one
of those committees that fall
under the purview of public.
Safety coming present, but
you're spot on.
They've already come in.
They've already participated.
Uh.
>> you.
Any further questions?
Be sure to read the oh okay.
Okay again, MR. Mayor, I'm only
reading the ones.
>> that received six or.
More so for.
The crb um, andrew davis
received 11 nominations and
sheriff hannon.
Received 11 nominations.
For the community uh community
relations committee it was to
nominate four but only two
received six or.
>> more vote.
So that was travis barnes who
received seven nominations and
uh tiffany.
Sims received nine.
Nominations so that one will
come.
Back for the domestic.
Violence advisory committee.
Edward brass with receive ten
nominations and dustin hovis
received 11 nominations.
And finally for.
the um.
Youdo board of adjustments
tamara shamberg received nine.
>> nominations and.
Just to be clear.
Acclamation just just to be
clear on the committees where
you said things will come back
it's for the the folks who did
not get six even for those
committees if they got six
nominations we were voting on
them tonight correct?
That is correct.
So for the community relations
committee it was to nominate
four.
But only two people received
six or.
More nominations so that more
will come back for the other
two.
.
>> got it and I understand that
will fall into the anticipated
motion for acceptance by
acclamation.
Focal point that I can move
mayfield.
Second any opposition there?
Okay.
>> uh let's let's go ahead and
do it.
All in.
>> favor any opposed?
All right we are done and we
have had a request for a we've
had a request for close uh um
session.
Um excuse.
Me.
>> I'm just.
>> a point of order.
Where are we going to.
Follow up with this referral?
A question.
>> from earlier.
So remind me what the question.
>> I.
Want to.
>> make sure that the concerns
that councilmember johnson had
lifted up, uh.
Were covered in the referral.
And as I read it, it appears
that it's.
Uh I want.
>> to I want there to be some
clarity because it feels like
it MAY be out of scope from
what's.
Written on this paper.
Um.
>> and I just want a line.
On whether or not it's in scope
or not because as I look at
what the charges it says review
current council adopted
policies and practices that
inform transportation
infrastructure requirements
through the rezoning
development process.
Evaluate how transportation
requirements are currently
documented and communicated to
council stakeholders and the
public.
Recommend potential
improvements to enhance clarity
,consistency and transparency
but I don't see there recommend
improvements to the process
itself.
And so I guess the question is
whether we need a referral in
addition.
>> to this.
Referral to make that point
right.
And is that something that um.
I will ask.
The city attorney for, you
know, per input, is that
something that we need.
>> to.
Do tonight or is that.
Something that should come.
>> as.
A referral.
>> in the normal.
Course because if so I mean I
I'm happy to second uh, a
referral request from a council
member.
That's how we would just.
>> have.
It done on.
>> the record.
>> you can have it on the.
Record certainly.
>> and mayor you can.
Send that referral.
It that's at.
A time that's appropriate.
Or good.
>> is there a motion I think we
need to state really clearly
what the motion.
With the.
Item that's being referred is.
Happy to take.
That outside of this meeting if
we can do it with better
clarity of what's being
requested.
Um, but it's the council's
pleasure if if a motion is
requested and a second received
.
So I have a question.
One of the things the city.
Manager said it was had already
been referred to committee.
So I was looking at the.
Tracker um and I didn't see
anything.
Specifically to discuss
cumulative impact.
So if.
>> um if.
This is redundant then we.
Can I guess work that out
afterwards.
But I do want.
To I guess make.
>> a motion.
>> then.
To refer the item to you to
refer the item to.
committee.
>> which committee?
Uh tpd I guess all right tbd,
tbd.
Committee transportation.
Planning and development.
Committee to.
Discuss cumulative.
Impact and.
Could use.
State just so we have it on the
record I know we're saying to
discuss cumulative impact, but
I think it.
>> would be.
Helpful to be more descriptive
of exactly what we're referring
other.
Than saying cumulative impact.
>> I.
Guess to.
Discuss revising the.
Policy review.
The ueo.
Policy um.
For transportation studies.
Yeah, tis.
To address.
Cumulative impact.
Yeah to include.
To include.
Cumulative impact.
Yeah.
Second is.
>> there.
Is a second.
And make recommendations policy
and.
Make recommendations to the
policy yes.
Yes that's where the.
Rubber meets the road.
And and mayor can I ask.
If we want.
>> to add the truck parking.
We can have it.
We talked about.
That earlier okay okay I'll
leave.
>> it alone but.
>> we do.
Need to.
Discuss commercial.
Parking but I'll leave it there
.
Yeah.
Why don't you restate just that
you.
>> can.
You can cover.
What they got it so.
>> that.
You can cover what?
Um um, council member mira said
or.
The city attorney can read it,
but I just want to make sure we
have clear in the record what
the full motion is and then we
can get us.
>> an.
Awesome thank you.
Let us.
Yeah, yeah.
>> I would.
>> like to get our.
Captured.
Please read so the.
Motion by.
>> MISS Johnson.
Seconded by MISS.
Mayfield was to.
Refer the.
>> item to the mayor.
To refer.
>> to tpd committee to.
Discuss the cumulative.
Impact revising the udot
policy.
>> for transportation.
For transportation study.
>> and to.
Make recommendations to the
policy.
Are we good?
And that's why you.
Got the we got the motion we
got the second.
All in favor any opposed all
right that carries okay again
anything else I think we've had
a request for closed session.
We need a motion.
To do that.
That's right mayor thank you.
I would.
Ask the city attorney to read
the read the language and then
someone can make a motion if
it's their pleasure.
Thank you.
>> mayor harrington.
>> the motion.
>> is to.
Request the motion.
>> is to go into closed session
pursuant to an cgs 140.
3-3 18.11.
A three.
>> to.
Consult with the city.
Attorney regarding.
>> the legal implications.
Of a proposed action and.
To preserve.
>> the.
Attorney client privilege.
Is there a motion so moved?
Second.
>> any questions?
All in favor?
Any opposed?
All right.
>> we're going into closing.
Charlotte revenue is mostly
coming from taxes. The biggest