[0:01] anonymously if you're not ready
[0:02] to file a police report.
[0:03] Whatever you're feeling is
[0:05] valid. You're not alone. There
[0:06] are resources out there for
[0:08] you. We stand with survivors
[0:10] and we are here to support you
[0:11] in whatever way we can. It's.
[2:12] Meeting to order.
[2:13] >> we have a quorum.
[2:14] This evening.
[2:15] Thanks to.
[2:15] You all for.
[2:17] Joining here in person.
[2:18] And those watching online.
[2:20] We'll start with introductions.
[2:21] Going around the room.
[2:22] Starting with.
[2:22] >> our city.
[2:24] >> clerk billy tons.
[2:26] Deputy city clerk andrea
[2:26] leslie, vice.
[2:27] City attorney.
[2:29] Good evening.
[2:30] I'm victoria wellington.
[2:31] I have the pleasure of serving
[2:32] you as a member at large.
[2:34] Joy mayo representing district
[2:34] three.
[2:36] Good evening and happy.
[2:37] Pride week.
[2:39] Charlotte dante anderson.
[2:39] District one.
[2:41] Good evening everybody.
[2:41] >> and.
[2:42] Mayor pro tem james mitchell.
[2:44] Good evening everybody rob
[2:45] harrington.
[2:46] Mayor marcus.
[2:47] Jones.
[2:47] .
[2:47] City manager.
[2:49] Kimberly owens representing
[2:49] district six.
[2:51] Malcolm graham district three.
[2:53] The wanted mayfield council
[2:54] member at large.
[2:55] Good evening, jd master arias.
[2:56] District five.
[2:58] Good evening.
[2:59] renee johnson.
[2:59] >> and I'm.
[2:59] Honored to.
[3:00] >> represent district four.
[3:03] Good evening mayor council.
[3:04] Member at large.
[3:06] Thank you and again good
[3:06] evening.
[3:08] We will start our meeting with
[3:10] items with consideration.
[3:10] Of the.
[3:11] >> consent agenda.
[3:13] Items before.
[3:13] >> we take.
[3:13] A vote.
[3:14] >> are there any uh.
[3:17] Comment or any for a separate
[3:17] vote?
[3:22] Council member johnson first.
[3:27] Council council.
[3:28] Member mayfield.
[3:30] We're both.
[3:30] >> trying.
[3:31] To get out of.
[3:32] Cabinet.
[3:34] >> cabinet whatever works I
[3:35] don't know to point.
[3:36] Item number.
[3:38] >> 23 please.
[3:44] Just pull for discussion, okay
[3:44] ?
[3:46] No no others.
[3:47] Council member.
[3:49] Johnson council member mayfield
[3:49] when you're ready.
[3:52] Thank you.
[3:52] MR. Mayor.
[3:53] Actually as.
[3:55] Had um I was able to tune.
[3:56] In on.
[3:58] Friday for.
[3:59] >> a check.
[3:59] In and.
[4:00] I've asked questions.
[4:02] So what I would like is.
[4:03] >> for staff to.
[4:03] Give the.
[4:05] Responses to.
[4:06] >> the items.
[4:07] >> that we were checking into.
[4:08] so I guess.
[4:08] What I'm.
[4:10] Pulling out for a separate
[4:10] discussion.
[4:12] Do you have the.
[4:14] Response for.
[4:15] >> what was said?
[4:19] 36.
[4:25] >> and my apologies for.
[4:27] Not having this up right now.
[4:29] Staff is.
[4:32] Looking number 4847.
[4:34] Thank you.
[4:37] For us to have.
[4:40] Full discussion as well as.
[4:41] Number 45.
[4:42] Trying to have a.
[4:43] Better understanding.
[4:46] So mayor.
[4:48] 45 4748.
[4:51] That I would like for staff to.
[4:52] Go over.
[4:54] The responses.
[4:56] >> that they submitted to us.
[5:01] Because I see 46 4748.
[5:04] But looks like 45.
[5:05] Which was.
[5:06] A very.
[5:08] Specific question.
[5:08] On the.
[5:10] 2026 tax collect the.
[5:14] Settlement statement that is.
[5:14] >> not.
[5:14] In here.
[5:17] So want to get.
[5:19] Those for a separate discussion
[5:20] please.
[5:21] So council member mayfield the.
[5:23] List that I wrote down from you
[5:23] was.
[5:25] 36.
[5:25] .
[5:27] 4547 and 48.
[5:27] Yes sir.
[5:28] Thank you.
[5:29] And um.
[5:32] I propose that we take a vote
[5:34] on the remaining items.
[5:34] Uh.
[5:36] And also given.
[5:38] the, uh, length of the agenda.
[5:41] Here um, in here in particular
[5:41] uh.
[5:42] My proposal uh.
[5:43] Intent would be to.
[5:44] Take up the.
[5:45] Um the.
[5:47] Items that are no longer.
[5:48] In consent, uh.
[5:50] During at the very beginning of
[5:52] the business meeting in the
[5:53] session in chamber.
[5:53] >> just.
[5:53] To fill.
[5:54] Some time here.
[5:56] Uh, any problem with that?
[5:57] Great.
[5:59] Okay, then we'll.
[6:00] Vote on the agenda.
[6:00] Items other.
[6:02] >> than those accepted.
[6:02] Second.
[6:04] >> and the items that are have
[6:06] been pulled out just for
[6:07] clarity in the motion.
[6:08] Are 23.
[6:12] 36, 45, 4748.
[6:15] Any further discussion on the.
[6:16] Remaining consent items?
[6:18] So there.
[6:18] >> has been a.
[6:19] Motion made and.
[6:21] Seconded to approve.
[6:22] >> the consent items other than
[6:26] those listed 23, 36, 45 4748
[6:28] all in favor raise your hand.
[6:29] Any opposed?
[6:31] All right.
[6:31] They pass.
[6:39] I believe we are now ready for
[6:39] the.
[6:41] Action preview.
[6:42] And I'll turn that over to.
[6:43] Our manager.
[6:44] Thank you.
[6:44] Mayor.
[6:45] Members of council.
[6:47] Uh, tonight we have uh, three.
[6:48] Items on the.
[6:49] Action preview.
[6:52] and as you MAY recall what we
[6:53] attempt to do.
[6:55] On the second.
[6:56] Monday of the.
[6:57] Month queue up.
[6:58] Some items.
[6:59] That MAY be.
[7:00] Voted on.
[7:01] On the fourth monday.
[7:02] Of the month.
[7:04] So right now um.
[7:06] What we have is coming out of
[7:07] committee would be the youth
[7:09] protection ordinance revisions
[7:09] .
[7:10] Model cities.
[7:13] Initiative grant and parking on
[7:13] .
[7:14] Sidewalk ordinance.
[7:16] Revision and mayor, if there
[7:18] aren't any questions I'd.
[7:19] >> like to proceed.
[7:20] >> with the uv.
[7:21] Protection ordinance revisions.
[7:23] Please do.
[7:26] So with.
[7:26] >> that said.
[7:28] Mayor, this coming.
[7:28] >> out of the.
[7:30] Safety committee.
[7:32] I believe.
[7:33] That um we would.
[7:35] >> have council member anderson
[7:35] .
[7:36] Tee up.
[7:37] >> this discussion.
[7:41] Thank you mayor and thank you,
[7:41] city manager.
[7:45] We are about to proceed to
[7:45] walk.
[7:46] You all through.
[7:47] The full council.
[7:49] Through our discussions and.
[7:50] Um, some.
[7:51] >> of the findings that came
[7:52] out of the public safety
[7:54] committee meeting that was held
[7:56] as a special meeting over our
[7:58] summer break as it relates to
[8:00] youth protection ordinances.
[8:00] um.
[8:03] >> we all have seen the video
[8:03] and some.
[8:04] >> of the news.
[8:06] Updates as it relates to teen
[8:08] takeovers and unfortunately um
[8:11] ,some of the challenges that
[8:11] have.
[8:13] Occurred throughout our city
[8:15] from north to south to center
[8:17] city and I've been working very
[8:20] closely with uh chief patterson
[8:23] and uh attorney jessica battle
[8:25] and dc brierley as well as.
[8:29] Uh dcm sean heath on how we can
[8:30] advance this topic.
[8:31] And so you'll get a briefing
[8:34] today from from the team on
[8:34] this topic.
[8:37] It's important to say that we
[8:39] will not be voting tonight on
[8:41] this particular topic because
[8:43] this we are addressing an
[8:45] ordinance that already exists.
[8:46] So this is for.
[8:47] Council's review.
[8:49] And council's opportunity to
[8:51] ask questions and delve in.
[8:52] And with that I will hand it
[8:55] over to uh, chief patterson and
[8:55] her team.
[8:56] Thank you.
[9:24] >> all right.
[9:25] Good evening.
[9:25] Mayor and.
[9:26] Council.
[9:28] >> I want to thank you for
[9:29] allowing.
[9:29] >> my.
[9:31] Staff and I to bring a topic.
[9:31] >> to.
[9:32] You that is.
[9:33] Becoming increasingly.
[9:36] Disturbing and that is the
[9:36] safety.
[9:37] >> of our.
[9:38] Youth and the community.
[9:38] In general.
[9:39] Due to.
[9:39] >> what we.
[9:40] >> have been talking about.
[9:41] >> which.
[9:42] Is teen takeovers.
[9:43] And I'd.
[9:44] >> like to take a moment to
[9:44] thank all the supporters.
[9:45] Who are in the.
[9:46] Room today.
[9:47] Those who are joining us in
[9:47] person and.
[9:49] Also online.
[9:50] And I'd.
[9:50] >> like.
[9:51] To begin this.
[9:52] Presentation by providing a
[9:53] video compilation that we
[9:55] shared with the public safety
[9:55] committee.
[9:56] When we brought.
[9:56] This topic.
[9:57] >> to.
[9:57] Them back.
[9:59] In JULY.
[10:07] Let's see if we.
[10:08] >> can get the video played.
[10:11] It was.
[10:13] >> like being in a movie.
[10:13] >> and.
[10:14] Scary all at the.
[10:15] Same time.
[10:17] What you're seeing is.
[10:19] Video captured by one of our
[10:19] viewers.
[10:20] >> is showing.
[10:21] The large crowd.
[10:22] >> of teenagers at camp.
[10:24] North in the park was shut down
[10:25] or the floodlights.
[10:26] >> were on.
[10:26] Vanessa bravo.
[10:27] Lives in a nearby.
[10:29] Apartment building and.
[10:29] Got caught up.
[10:30] In that commotion.
[10:31] Now another.
[10:32] Very serious situation.
[10:34] Happened at romeo bearden park.
[10:35] Early sunday morning.
[10:36] Cmpd says they were.
[10:37] Trying to enforce a youth.
[10:39] curfew when suddenly.
[10:41] Shut shots rang out.
[10:42] Officers say they found two
[10:44] victims who had been shot.
[10:45] They were both rushed.
[10:45] >> to.
[10:45] The hospital.
[10:46] >> but we are.
[10:47] Told they should recover.
[10:48] Charlotte-mecklenburg police
[10:50] are keeping their promise and
[10:52] cracking down on teen take over
[10:52] after.
[10:52] Receiving tips.
[10:53] >> of a teen.
[10:55] Takeover planned for saturday.
[10:56] Cmpd implemented.
[10:56] >> a coordinated.
[10:57] Operational plan.
[10:58] That resulted.
[10:59] >> in more than.
[11:00] 20 arrests.
[11:01] That includes 12 juveniles.
[11:02] >> and.
[11:02] Ten adults.
[11:03] Those adults.
[11:04] Cited for.
[11:05] >> contributing to the.
[11:06] Delinquency of a minor.
[11:10] Witnesses say they saw 100 to
[11:11] 200 teens filming each other
[11:12] and blocking traffic.
[11:13] Let's start.
[11:14] First at brier creek.
[11:15] Police say around.
[11:17] 1027 saturday night police got
[11:19] a report of a fight happening
[11:20] near the movie theater.
[11:21] They said this was.
[11:21] Part of a teen.
[11:22] Takeover.
[11:24] >> nearly 3000 teens were said
[11:25] to be there.
[11:26] Then let's.
[11:26] >> go to.
[11:27] Glenwood south around 130
[11:29] sunday morning.
[11:30] Officers responded to.
[11:31] Multiple shootings.
[11:31] There were.
[11:32] about 5000.
[11:34] People involved in that teen
[11:34] takeover.
[11:36] Then three hours later a fight
[11:37] happened at.
[11:38] >> a gas station.
[11:38] That fight.
[11:38] >> led to a.
[11:39] >> shooting and two.
[11:40] People were shot.
[11:42] Nine people shot after.
[11:43] Thousands of teens take.
[11:43] >> over the.
[11:44] Streets.
[11:45] >> parents could be held liable
[11:46] in raleigh.
[11:46] If their.
[11:47] >> juvenile kids.
[11:48] >> are.
[11:48] Out late.
[11:49] Committing crimes.
[11:50] After curfew is eventually put
[11:51] in place.
[11:52] A violent brawl.
[11:53] Breaking out.
[11:54] >> in south carolina.
[11:55] .
[11:57] >> north charleston police.
[11:58] Officer tackled to the ground.
[11:59] >> and.
[12:00] Pummeled repeatedly during.
[12:00] >> a 4th of.
[12:01] >> JULY.
[12:02] Gathering of teens and young
[12:02] adults.
[12:04] That descended into chaos.
[12:05] 13 people.
[12:06] >> were arrested.
[12:06] Between the ages.
[12:08] Of 13 and 20.
[12:09] Years old.
[12:09] >> and a.
[12:10] Growing number.
[12:10] >> of.
[12:11] Cities are dealing with.
[12:11] >> a surge in.
[12:12] >> the.
[12:13] So-called teen takeover.
[12:15] .
[12:16] That was what newport.
[12:17] beach.
[12:18] >> california looked like over.
[12:18] >> the.
[12:18] Holiday weekend.
[12:19] More than.
[12:20] 400 people.
[12:21] Were arrested, most.
[12:22] Of them.
[12:22] Young and.
[12:23] >> minors.
[12:27] >> on the 4th of.
[12:28] >> JULY madness in.
[12:29] Newport beach.
[12:29] More than.
[12:31] 400 people arrested.
[12:35] Officers just declared an
[12:36] unlawful assembly.
[12:37] In newport beach.
[12:38] Police say influencers.
[12:39] >> are streaming.
[12:42] Encouraging followers to join
[12:44] the chaos for.
[12:47] And this is just some.
[12:49] >> of the JULY 4th chaos that
[12:49] took.
[12:49] >> a.
[12:50] Dangerous turn in.
[12:51] Newport beach.
[12:52] Video shows.
[12:52] Fireworks.
[12:54] >> fights and damage to
[12:55] businesses.
[12:55] .
[12:57] Tonight dramatic new.
[12:59] Video of chicago police pinning
[12:59] .
[13:00] People down and.
[13:03] Struggling to quell massive
[13:03] memorial.
[13:03] Day crowds.
[13:04] It's just.
[13:05] >> becoming a big.
[13:05] Big problem.
[13:06] In charlotte.
[13:07] Unfortunately we.
[13:07] >> have been.
[13:09] >> bombarded with.
[13:10] This chaos.
[13:11] If you see kids out.
[13:11] You better.
[13:12] >> stay home.
[13:13] These young people.
[13:15] >> know they cannot be
[13:15] arrested.
[13:16] They're not going to be.
[13:17] Charged and they.
[13:19] Know that they can keep doing
[13:19] this.
[13:22] So we wanted to share this
[13:24] video because what you see is.
[13:25] Today's reality for our youth.
[13:26] And their.
[13:27] >> desire to.
[13:28] >> participate in behavior that
[13:30] is becoming increasingly
[13:30] harmful to them.
[13:32] To our law enforcement
[13:34] personnel, to businesses and
[13:35] patrons and also to the
[13:35] community at large.
[13:38] Much of what you just saw we've
[13:39] experienced right here in.
[13:40] Charlotte and.
[13:41] >> over the last two months.
[13:43] And members of my team and I
[13:45] have experienced it in real
[13:45] time.
[13:47] I'll give you a short preview
[13:49] back on JULY or I'm sorry, JUNE
[13:49] 14th.
[13:51] I saw firsthand what happens
[13:51] when a group of.
[13:53] Teens congregate with no
[13:54] specific purpose.
[13:55] And nothing.
[13:56] In mind to do, especially after
[13:57] dark.
[13:58] Early that.
[13:58] >> morning there.
[13:59] >> was a shoot.
[14:01] Out in center city at roomier
[14:01] bearden.
[14:02] Park where you saw some of the
[14:04] images of in which a 15 year
[14:05] old and an 18 year old were
[14:06] shot.
[14:09] The shooters subsequently were
[14:10] 216 year olds and a 15 year
[14:11] old.
[14:11] In that.
[14:12] >> incident we.
[14:15] Saw a clear example of victims
[14:16] and victimization of our youth
[14:17] .
[14:19] Additionally, several innocent
[14:20] bystanders and businesses were
[14:21] impacted because of the actions
[14:23] of the many teens who were out
[14:23] there.
[14:24] On JULY.
[14:25] >> 4th.
[14:26] We saw another large gathering
[14:27] .
[14:27] Of youth.
[14:29] Around amir bearden park.
[14:30] >> I was.
[14:30] >> out there.
[14:31] I worked in fact until 3:00 in
[14:32] the morning.
[14:33] And saw the mass.
[14:35] Of youth that we had out there.
[14:37] We did not have any incidents
[14:39] that morning or that night in
[14:40] charlotte and the reason being
[14:42] I am confident is because we
[14:44] had over 200 officers working
[14:45] in a small geographic location.
[14:48] We know that we cannot sustain
[14:48] that.
[14:49] We cannot have that kind of
[14:49] manpower.
[14:51] Or personnel power.
[14:53] Every weekend or whenever
[14:55] there's a pop up event
[14:56] pertaining to our youth.
[14:59] On JULY 11th in university city
[15:00] near the boardwalk.
[15:01] We had another mass.
[15:03] Gathering of 2 to 300 youth
[15:05] that resulted in fights,
[15:07] disorder and a firearm being
[15:08] seized, a firearm being
[15:09] confiscated from a 16 year old.
[15:11] We had 12 juveniles who were
[15:13] arrested in that incident and
[15:14] ten adults were cited.
[15:15] We had several.
[15:17] Officers who were assaulted.
[15:18] When they're trying to break up
[15:20] the fights and break up the
[15:22] incidents going on and we had
[15:23] businesses that had to shut
[15:25] down early, could not carry on
[15:26] their business because of the
[15:28] teen takeovers and the number
[15:29] of teens who were in the area.
[15:32] I am very concerned that if we
[15:33] don't get a handle on these
[15:35] events and what is going on,
[15:37] the consequences MAY become
[15:37] fatal.
[15:40] This is why I'm proposing a
[15:41] modification to the existing
[15:42] youth protection ordinance.
[15:43] And that.
[15:45] Modification is simply.
[15:46] That one.
[15:49] We increase the curfew age to
[15:52] all minors 17 and younger that
[15:54] we lower the curfew time to 9
[15:56] P.M. Every day of the week so
[15:58] that there's no confusion on
[15:59] what time or where you have to
[16:00] be in that kind of thing.
[16:02] And also to that we keep the
[16:05] existing exceptions such as a
[16:06] youth going to and from work or
[16:08] going to a sanctioned event by
[16:10] their school or religious place
[16:11] of worship or something like
[16:12] that.
[16:13] And we're going to talk more a
[16:13] little.
[16:13] Bit about that.
[16:16] Mayor and council, please hear
[16:19] me clearly when I say that we
[16:22] are not proposing to
[16:23] criminalize our youth.
[16:25] We don't want to criminalize
[16:26] them for being teenagers.
[16:29] We will not be instituting a
[16:29] curfew.
[16:30] Police.
[16:32] I don't have the staffing for
[16:33] it so we will never do that.
[16:37] We are not creating a prison
[16:38] pipeline for youth of color.
[16:42] We're not punishing good kids
[16:44] for doing the right things but
[16:47] instead we are proposing a tool
[16:48] that gives law enforcement the
[16:50] ability to intervene and keep
[16:51] our young people from being
[16:53] harmed or harming others.
[16:55] Today we have a brief
[16:56] presentation with data to
[16:58] support our assertion that
[17:00] youth are being victimized when
[17:01] they are permitted to stay out
[17:01] late.
[17:03] And unsupervised.
[17:05] I would close by saying this to
[17:06] you as we look around this
[17:08] room, those who are seated here
[17:09] there are a number of law
[17:11] enforcement agency partners,
[17:13] community leaders, safety youth
[17:14] advocates, educators and
[17:15] business leaders who.
[17:16] >> have.
[17:17] Either been negatively impacted
[17:20] by these teen takeovers or are
[17:21] extremely concerned about our
[17:22] youth and their safety.
[17:24] I believe that they stand with
[17:26] cmpd and they stand with me in
[17:28] saying that we have to revise
[17:30] our youth protection ordinance.
[17:32] I am proud of the work that my
[17:34] team is doing to try to get
[17:35] ahead of these takeovers, to
[17:37] try to be in those places.
[17:39] However, we cannot mitigate
[17:42] these just by using personnel
[17:42] resources.
[17:44] It's very expensive, is very
[17:47] taxing on our resources and
[17:48] while we can't put a price on
[17:50] the tax, the resources that
[17:52] we're using we cannot put a
[17:55] price on a life that is lost.
[17:57] As a result of the events that
[17:57] happened because of.
[17:58] >> these teen takeovers.
[18:01] So we're asking you to consider
[18:03] that as you think about this
[18:04] youth.
[18:05] Protection ordinance.
[18:06] And at this time I'm going to
[18:07] turn it over to MISS Jessica
[18:08] battle for a few legal points
[18:10] and then to deputy chief briley
[18:12] and also doctor stewart from
[18:13] our youth office of.
[18:15] Youth opportunities.
[18:24] Good evening mayor, city
[18:25] council.
[18:26] Members and MISTER Manager.
[18:28] Jessica battle with the.
[18:30] >> city attorney's office.
[18:31] Our youth protection.
[18:32] Ordinance was.
[18:33] Brought into.
[18:35] First implemented in 1995.
[18:37] >> it started off as a pilot
[18:38] program but.
[18:38] Given the.
[18:40] >> results of the curfew.
[18:41] And other.
[18:42] Section of the youth
[18:42] protection.
[18:44] Ordinance, it remained.
[18:45] >> a permanent part of our
[18:45] charlotte.
[18:46] City code.
[18:47] And to give.
[18:48] >> you a.
[18:48] >> little.
[18:49] Bit of.
[18:49] >> procedural history in.
[18:50] How we.
[18:50] >> got here today.
[18:53] On JUNE 30th of this year,
[18:54] former mayor louse.
[18:55] >> signed a.
[18:56] Policy referral.
[18:56] For the.
[18:57] >> safety committee.
[18:58] To take a look.
[18:59] At our current youth.
[19:00] Protection ordinance.
[19:01] >> to.
[19:01] Do some.
[19:02] Benchmarking of.
[19:03] Other north carolina and.
[19:04] Us cities.
[19:05] To determine what.
[19:06] ,if.
[19:06] >> any public.
[19:08] Safety considerations.
[19:09] >> that.
[19:10] This council could take into
[19:11] consideration when we are
[19:12] looking to.
[19:13] Mitigate the public safety.
[19:14] Issues associated.
[19:14] >> with.
[19:16] Juvenile curfew issues.
[19:17] On JULY.
[19:17] >> 14th.
[19:18] The committee.
[19:20] >> heard recommendations from
[19:20] the.
[19:21] Cmpd and.
[19:22] Also heard from the city
[19:23] attorney's office.
[19:25] On their legal authority.
[19:26] As it relates to curfew.
[19:27] And in that.
[19:29] Special meeting the committee
[19:29] members.
[19:29] >> voted.
[19:30] Unanimously to.
[19:32] Support kpd.
[19:34] Recommendations to send before
[19:34] this.
[19:36] Full council for consideration
[19:36] .
[19:38] Emphasizing what.
[19:39] Chief patterson just stated.
[19:40] >> that being.
[19:41] Updating the curfew to include
[19:42] all minors.
[19:42] And making it.
[19:44] 9:00 pm on each.
[19:45] Day of the week.
[19:50] Our current youth protection.
[19:51] Ordinance applies.
[19:52] To two.
[19:52] Different subsets.
[19:53] >> of.
[19:54] Minors for.
[19:56] Children who are 12 years old
[19:58] and under the curfew as.
[19:59] >> at 10 P.M. Until 6.
[19:59] >> A.M..
[20:00] On the.
[20:01] >> following day.
[20:02] Any day of the.
[20:05] Week for children ages 13, 14
[20:05] and 15.
[20:08] That curfew is from 11.
[20:09] >> P.M..
[20:09] To.
[20:09] 6.
[20:09] A.M..
[20:10] The.
[20:10] Following day on.
[20:12] Any given day of the week we do
[20:13] not have any.
[20:15] Other tiers related to weekends
[20:17] or geographic locations.
[20:18] >> in the city at this time.
[20:21] I'm sorry there's.
[20:22] >> a slight delay.
[20:22] >> in.
[20:24] The clicker as it relates to.
[20:25] Offenses that.
[20:27] >> arise out of our curfew.
[20:29] A juvenile can be charged with
[20:30] violating the curfew if.
[20:30] >> they.
[20:31] Are present.
[20:31] And not.
[20:32] At home.
[20:34] Remaining in a public place
[20:35] after the curfew hours.
[20:37] A parent or guardian can be
[20:39] charged with a curfew offense.
[20:40] >> if they.
[20:40] Knowingly permit.
[20:43] Their juvenile child for being
[20:45] outside of the curfew hours.
[20:48] Also owners, operators or any.
[20:49] Employees of.
[20:49] >> an.
[20:50] Establishment can be charged
[20:51] with an offense.
[20:51] If they.
[20:53] >> knowingly allow.
[20:54] Juveniles to remain on their
[20:55] property after curfew hours.
[20:57] There are also offenses.
[20:58] For persons.
[21:00] 16 years old and older who aid.
[21:01] Or abet.
[21:03] Or otherwise assist.
[21:04] Juveniles in violating the
[21:04] curfew.
[21:06] And also it is a.
[21:08] violation for a parent or
[21:09] guardian to refuse to.
[21:10] >> take.
[21:10] Custody of.
[21:12] >> their child after they are
[21:14] notified that their child has
[21:16] violated curfew and police are
[21:18] seeking the parent to come and
[21:19] retrieve their juvenile.
[21:23] Right.
[21:24] >> there are some.
[21:25] Exceptions that.
[21:26] >> chief patterson went
[21:26] through.
[21:28] If you are accompanied by your
[21:30] parent or guardian or any
[21:30] authorized.
[21:32] Adult aged.
[21:34] 21 years or older authorized
[21:36] adult meaning someone who has
[21:37] permission from the parent or
[21:40] guardian of the juvenile to be
[21:41] responsible for that child
[21:42] after curfew hours.
[21:44] If the juvenile is running a
[21:46] parent or excuse me running an
[21:47] errand for their parent and
[21:49] they are on a direct route to
[21:51] that errand or back to their
[21:51] residence.
[21:53] Likewise if they are doing
[21:54] employment.
[21:55] Activities and.
[21:57] Again on a direct route to or
[21:58] from work, they can.
[21:58] >> be.
[22:00] Out outside of their restricted
[22:00] hours.
[22:02] Or if they are responding to a
[22:03] true emergency.
[22:04] Lastly.
[22:06] >> if a.
[22:07] Juvenile is attending.
[22:09] Traveling to or directly from
[22:09] an official.
[22:10] School religious.
[22:12] >> or recreation.
[22:12] Event that.
[22:12] >> is.
[22:14] With emphasis he or supervised
[22:15] by.
[22:15] Adults or.
[22:17] Sponsored by a public or.
[22:18] >> private.
[22:18] School.
[22:18] .
[22:18] Religious.
[22:20] Institution, government entity
[22:22] or civic organization.
[22:22] They can.
[22:23] >> be outside out of their.
[22:25] Restricted restricted hours.
[22:25] Excuse me.
[22:28] >> and if a person were to
[22:29] encounter law enforcement they
[22:31] would certainly try to verify
[22:33] whether or not the juvenile is
[22:35] falling under one of these
[22:36] lawful exceptions to being out
[22:37] in the restricted hours.
[22:44] Forgive me.
[22:45] >> for.
[22:45] The technology.
[22:46] All right.
[22:46] When we.
[22:48] Look at our benchmarking.
[22:49] We look not only at north
[22:50] carolina cities but we looked
[22:52] at several sister cities across
[22:53] the united states.
[22:54] When we.
[22:55] Look at.
[22:55] >> winston-salem.
[22:57] >> their curfew applies to all
[22:59] minors persons 17 years old and
[23:02] younger from 10 P.M. To 6 P.M.
[23:02] On any day.
[23:03] Of the week.
[23:04] And currently the city of
[23:06] raleigh is also considering.
[23:07] Changing their.
[23:08] Juvenile curfew.
[23:10] They are also considering
[23:11] having it apply to all minors
[23:12] and they.
[23:13] >> are looking at.
[23:15] 10 P.M. Or 11 P.M. For their
[23:16] standard restricted hours.
[23:18] Some other cities of which who
[23:19] were featured in the recording.
[23:20] >> that was played at the.
[23:21] At the beginning of.
[23:22] >> this presentation are myrtle
[23:23] beach, south carolina.
[23:26] That has a curfew for 17 and
[23:26] younger.
[23:28] This is a citywide curfew of
[23:28] midnight.
[23:30] However they have a geographic
[23:32] or territorial curfew in their
[23:34] downtown area which starts at 9
[23:34] P.M..
[23:36] It's important to note.
[23:37] >> that last year myrtle beach
[23:38] .
[23:39] Instituted an emergency curfew
[23:40] .
[23:42] There was a little earlier they
[23:42] had that.
[23:43] Because of incident that had
[23:45] occurred in their jurisdiction
[23:45] .
[23:47] Once that temporary curfew was
[23:48] lifted back to the former 11
[23:51] P.M., they did see a spike in
[23:53] crime that they directly
[23:55] correlated to the changes in
[23:56] their curfew restricted hours.
[23:58] In atlanta, georgia, the curfew
[24:01] is 17 and younger during school
[24:03] nights 11 P.M. To six and then
[24:05] friday and saturday they have a
[24:06] tiered curfew at midnight.
[24:07] Nashville.
[24:08] >> tennessee also applies to
[24:10] all minors and they have
[24:11] different hearing related to
[24:13] different times of day of the.
[24:13] Week and.
[24:14] >> they.
[24:16] Also have a summer exception
[24:17] and we give you all of this
[24:18] benchmarking just so that the
[24:19] council can be aware of what
[24:21] other cities are doing and know
[24:22] about the different options and
[24:23] level.
[24:23] >> of.
[24:24] Changes that are being sought
[24:26] as they consider cmpd
[24:28] recommendation of the 9:00 p m
[24:29] curfew for each day of the week
[24:32] for all minors 17 and below.
[24:33] And now I will turn it over to
[24:34] deputy chief riley who will
[24:36] talk about teen takeovers from
[24:38] the law enforcement perspective
[24:38] .
[24:39] Thank you.
[24:39] >> good for me?
[24:40] Yes, absolutely.
[24:41] Thank you.
[24:47] Okay.
[24:50] Okay.
[24:52] Uh good evening mayor council
[24:53] and our guests.
[24:53] >> I'm deputy.
[24:54] Chief jackie braly.
[24:57] Um, I'm over patrol operations
[24:58] for the city of charlotte and
[24:58] cmpd.
[25:01] So part of our teen.
[25:03] Takeovers these are planned
[25:03] gatherings.
[25:05] With no true purpose.
[25:08] Some of our youth genuinely use
[25:09] these as opportunities to get
[25:11] out of the house, spend time
[25:12] with their friends, hang out.
[25:13] But unfortunately.
[25:15] Others use this as an
[25:16] opportunity to meet up.
[25:16] ,plan.
[25:19] >> fights, settle social media
[25:19] disputes.
[25:21] Or oftentimes end in violence.
[25:22] .
[25:24] With approximately.
[25:24] 40 planned.
[25:26] Takeovers thus far, cmpd has.
[25:27] Demonstrated its ability.
[25:28] To respond.
[25:29] Effectively and.
[25:31] Efficiently and.
[25:32] Successfully address these
[25:32] incidents.
[25:33] >> as they occur.
[25:35] As the chief stated.
[25:37] Unfortunately these are
[25:38] manpower and staffing
[25:38] intensive.
[25:40] And not able to be sustained.
[25:45] So a little bit of the numbers
[25:46] for our calendar year.
[25:47] We've had.
[25:49] 431 of our youth that were
[25:50] victims of violent crime.
[25:54] 127 of these victims.
[25:56] Were 16 and 17 year olds who
[25:57] are not part of the current
[25:58] youth protection ordinance.
[26:00] .
[26:02] 393 of our youth were black or
[26:03] hispanic.
[26:04] With gun.
[26:05] >> related assaults.
[26:07] Driving many of these cases.
[26:08] The numbers.
[26:09] >> on the.
[26:10] Slide speak for themselves.
[26:11] With the.
[26:12] >> percentages.
[26:13] >> but there's much more.
[26:15] Troubling as myself was a
[26:17] parent who's raised two
[26:18] teenagers and currently raising
[26:18] a third.
[26:20] Thus far.
[26:21] >> this calendar year we've
[26:21] lost six.
[26:22] Young people.
[26:24] To gun violence.
[26:28] These were all 17 years and
[26:29] younger with our youngest
[26:31] juvenile victim of homicide.
[26:34] 1413 young people.
[26:34] >> in.
[26:36] Our community were aged 17 and
[26:37] under were charged with
[26:38] homicide calendar year to.
[26:40] Date of these incidents.
[26:42] Every single one of them
[26:44] occurred after 9 A.M. Between 6
[26:44] A.M..
[26:47] So no matter what side of these
[26:50] tragedies of families on these
[26:50] lives are changed forever.
[26:56] As part of our research into
[26:57] this.
[26:59] We looked at some of our um,
[27:01] alternatives snapped to your
[27:02] age group and geographic.
[27:05] These various alternatives to
[27:06] these various alternatives to
[27:08] our current recommendation do
[27:09] have significant challenges.
[27:11] Again.
[27:12] >> staffing is not sustainable
[27:16] for snap tiered or geographic
[27:18] officers are still responsible
[27:19] to respond to calls for service
[27:20] in a timely manner.
[27:21] Is that is.
[27:22] That is what is.
[27:24] Expected from our community we
[27:24] serve.
[27:26] Therefore we are unable to pull
[27:27] resources from all over the
[27:28] city to go.
[27:29] From one.
[27:30] >> location to another.
[27:32] In theory it sounds okay.
[27:33] But significant.
[27:34] >> but we have.
[27:35] Significant practical
[27:38] challenges in its application.
[27:42] Currently cmpd leads many
[27:44] efforts on many fronts to
[27:44] engage with our youth.
[27:46] Our pal.
[27:46] Program that.
[27:47] >> has been.
[27:48] Around for many years.
[27:51] Year to date serves on average
[27:52] 500 young people in our
[27:52] community.
[27:54] This is a program that's.
[27:56] >> led by cmpd officers and
[27:56] volunteers.
[27:59] Our reach program has.
[27:59] Continued to.
[28:01] >> work with 60 youth, 30 men
[28:02] and 30 young ladies this
[28:03] calendar year.
[28:05] With multiple city and county
[28:06] partners and under the
[28:09] leadership of our officers in
[28:10] the mecklenburg county
[28:11] sheriff's office.
[28:12] Community engagement unit, we
[28:15] had 1800 youth successfully
[28:17] participate in 14 teen summer
[28:19] jam events to include two pool
[28:22] parties at splash planet with
[28:25] zero incidents as well as 64
[28:26] community led national night
[28:27] out events.
[28:29] .
[28:30] With that I'll.
[28:30] >> hand.
[28:31] It over to doctor.
[28:31] Stewart.
[28:41] >> good evening mayor
[28:43] harrington, manager.
[28:44] Jones and members of council.
[28:46] I'm ricky stuart, director of
[28:47] housing and neighborhood.
[28:48] Services and the.
[28:49] Office of youth opportunity.
[28:50] And I.
[28:51] >> wanted to just take a.
[28:52] Moment to share with you some
[28:53] of the things.
[28:53] >> that your staff.
[28:54] With the.
[28:54] >> office of.
[28:55] >> our office.
[28:56] Of youth opportunities.
[28:58] Has done and.
[28:59] >> what we plan to do next.
[29:00] So we.
[29:01] >> have expanded our career.
[29:02] Experiences through.
[29:04] Strategic outreach.
[29:05] Meaning we have created more.
[29:07] Flexible opportunities.
[29:08] For our youth.
[29:11] To date we have provided 683
[29:13] career experiences and we're on
[29:13] .
[29:14] Track for.
[29:15] >> our goal of 1000.
[29:16] >> by the end of the year.
[29:18] Um understanding the need for.
[29:19] Third spaces.
[29:19] We realized.
[29:20] This a little bit last.
[29:21] Year so we.
[29:22] Were able.
[29:22] To partner with.
[29:23] >> the ymca.
[29:24] >> I believe.
[29:25] >> our partner was with us.
[29:27] >> this evening um, to provide
[29:29] 200 ymca passes.
[29:30] It was initially for three
[29:32] months and we recognized.
[29:32] >> the.
[29:32] Need for.
[29:33] >> the youth.
[29:34] >> to have activities to do so
[29:35] we.
[29:35] Were able to extend.
[29:37] >> it through DECEMBER.
[29:38] Uh, this summer we.
[29:40] >> were able to provide 250
[29:40] county.
[29:41] >> and park.
[29:42] Rec and team passes, which is
[29:44] great because they have an
[29:46] opportunity to visit and
[29:47] participate.
[29:48] In any activity at any rec
[29:49] center across the county.
[29:51] And then we continue to
[29:52] strengthen through.
[29:55] Our youth safety initiative.
[29:57] Our violence.
[29:58] Prevention campaigns with.
[29:59] >> our youth.
[30:00] Diversion program.
[30:01] We work closely with.
[30:03] Cmpd and our school resource
[30:04] officers.
[30:04] And our.
[30:05] Alternative to violence
[30:06] initiative which.
[30:07] >> is.
[30:07] In three different.
[30:09] Uh, corridors across the city.
[30:11] So as it relates to.
[30:13] What's next, our team is ready
[30:14] to pivot with.
[30:15] >> the purpose.
[30:16] So we are looking.
[30:17] >> at developing a partnership
[30:17] .
[30:19] Grant to support organizations.
[30:20] Providing safe.
[30:21] Third spaces.
[30:22] so what we'll do is we'll.
[30:24] Partner with cmpd to look at
[30:26] the data to make sure that our.
[30:27] Scope of work.
[30:28] Is the right impact and.
[30:29] That we're offering.
[30:30] These third.
[30:31] >> spaces in the right places
[30:32] across the city.
[30:33] We had a.
[30:34] >> great conversation with the
[30:34] parks.
[30:36] >> and rec department today to
[30:38] coordinate youth activities
[30:39] during teacher workdays.
[30:41] So we're looking at any.
[30:43] Free and available time.
[30:43] >> that the youth have.
[30:46] How can we contribute to giving
[30:47] them something else to do
[30:48] that's going to.
[30:48] Help them.
[30:49] >> with their upward mobility?
[30:51] And last but not least we're.
[30:51] Looking at.
[30:53] Partnering again with.
[30:55] The ymca to expand programing
[30:56] and partnerships with their
[30:58] teen activation center.
[31:00] And with that program alone we
[31:02] can additionally touch and
[31:02] impact.
[31:03] Over 200 youth.
[31:05] I'm going to turn it back.
[31:06] Over to.
[31:08] >> chief patterson.
[31:11] So we will wrap.
[31:13] Up today by just again going
[31:15] over these recommendations that
[31:16] we put before you.
[31:17] We want to increase our curfew
[31:19] age to include all minors 17
[31:20] and younger.
[31:22] We want to lower the curfew
[31:24] time to 9 P.M. Every day of the
[31:25] week and then abide by those
[31:27] exceptions that we currently
[31:27] have in place.
[31:29] We certainly appreciate your
[31:31] patience and listen to our
[31:31] presentation at this time we're
[31:33] open up to any questions you.
[31:33] >> MAY have of us.
[31:36] Thank you, chief patterson I
[31:37] know we have.
[31:37] Uh.
[31:39] >> three council members who.
[31:40] Have asked.
[31:40] Uh.
[31:41] >> hoops for.
[31:42] Um and I'll.
[31:43] Start five.
[31:45] I'll start with council member.
[31:46] Esmeralda.
[31:48] >> thank you.
[31:49] >> mayor harrington.
[31:52] Chief, thank you for your.
[31:54] Leadership and thanks to all
[31:56] the law enforcement here in the
[31:56] room and all.
[31:57] The partners who are.
[31:58] Here today.
[31:59] >> I did see the us attorney.
[32:01] Uh, thank you for being.
[32:01] Here and.
[32:02] >> for your.
[32:03] >> leadership collaborating
[32:03] with cmpd.
[32:04] We appreciate you.
[32:06] Um.
[32:08] So if.
[32:09] >> we.
[32:10] Can go back to the exception.
[32:13] Slide because I am getting
[32:13] questions.
[32:17] About oh, my child is.
[32:19] Working night shift, would that
[32:19] apply.
[32:22] Or they.
[32:23] Have youth cam.
[32:24] >> would that apply?
[32:24] >> so I think.
[32:25] I do.
[32:27] Want every parent to.
[32:29] Understand that this would not
[32:29] .
[32:31] Apply to employment activity.
[32:33] Or if they.
[32:34] Are part.
[32:35] Of some.
[32:35] >> sort.
[32:37] Of organized opportunity.
[32:38] Yes.
[32:38] >> so I.
[32:40] Just want to make that very
[32:41] clear to your point chief, this
[32:43] is not criminalizing our youth.
[32:45] Uh this is.
[32:46] To keep.
[32:47] >> our community safe.
[32:48] Um.
[32:50] >> I know this is just the one
[32:50] tool.
[32:52] That is.
[32:54] In our hands.
[32:55] To keep our community.
[32:56] Safe.
[32:57] >> but our bigger.
[32:59] Responsibility is to have safe
[32:59] .
[33:01] Spaces for our youth.
[33:02] I remember growing up.
[33:03] I used.
[33:04] >> to go to.
[33:06] Mall during my summer breaks
[33:06] when.
[33:07] >> I was not working.
[33:09] Uh, and we are seeing some.
[33:09] >> of.
[33:10] This opportunities are going
[33:11] away.
[33:11] >> there are not a.
[33:13] Lot of gathering.
[33:14] Spaces or safe.
[33:16] Spaces for teens anymore.
[33:17] So I.
[33:18] Appreciate the work that doctor
[33:18] .
[33:20] Stewart is doing collaborating.
[33:21] >> with the county.
[33:22] To provide.
[33:23] Opportunities to our youth.
[33:24] Um.
[33:26] Doctor stewart.
[33:26] >> if.
[33:26] You.
[33:27] Could talk.
[33:28] About uh.
[33:30] How many.
[33:31] Youth so.
[33:31] far have.
[33:32] >> been engaged.
[33:33] >> through some.
[33:33] >> of.
[33:33] The.
[33:34] Opportunities whether.
[33:36] That's directly with the city
[33:36] or.
[33:37] That's in.
[33:38] >> partnership with other
[33:39] agencies?
[33:41] So as it relates to youth being
[33:44] involved, 683 as it relates to
[33:46] employment or career
[33:47] experiences and a little bit
[33:48] over 5000.
[33:50] >> as it relates to us just
[33:51] having contact.
[33:53] >> with them through um pop
[33:54] ups, through trainings, through
[33:55] meeting them where they are.
[33:57] So we've had a really uh
[33:58] impactful year this.
[33:59] >> year and our plan is to
[34:00] continue that work.
[34:01] Going forward.
[34:02] If I.
[34:04] >> could add to that council
[34:05] member as mayor.
[34:07] Um, deputy chief brawley talked
[34:09] about over the summer when we
[34:10] realized these teen takeovers
[34:10] were happening.
[34:12] We coordinated with families
[34:14] with parents to be able to drop
[34:14] their.
[34:15] Children off in a responsible
[34:15] location.
[34:18] We had over 1800 youth for the
[34:20] six events that we partnered
[34:20] with the county with.
[34:21] And I.
[34:23] Think those are the
[34:23] opportunities.
[34:24] That we.
[34:24] >> need to.
[34:26] Continue to highlight, uh, so
[34:26] that.
[34:27] Teens have.
[34:29] Safe spaces to go.
[34:31] to, safe spaces to.
[34:32] Have opportunities.
[34:33] Whether that's through
[34:35] mentorship or a job opportunity
[34:35] .
[34:36] Or workforce development.
[34:37] Opportunities.
[34:40] >> um, because.
[34:41] I think that's where.
[34:42] We need to continue.
[34:43] >> to focus on.
[34:45] So if we can continue to
[34:45] expand.
[34:48] That program, MR. Jones, I know
[34:49] this is something we started.
[34:51] Uh, the council.
[34:51] >> had.
[34:53] Approved in our budget just
[34:54] last year and I.
[34:55] >> think.
[34:56] We've come a long way to seeing
[34:59] hundreds of youth that have
[35:00] been engaged.
[35:00] >> I would.
[35:01] Like us to continue.
[35:01] >> to.
[35:02] Expand that program.
[35:04] Uh, not just in the summer.
[35:04] >> but.
[35:05] Especially when there is a.
[35:06] Teacher workday.
[35:07] Uh, at cms.
[35:10] I'm a cms parents I can tell
[35:10] you they have many.
[35:11] Teacher workdays.
[35:12] And I think that's.
[35:13] Where we.
[35:13] >> need to.
[35:14] Continue to.
[35:15] Provide safe opportunities.
[35:16] For our youth.
[35:17] Uh, so.
[35:19] >> that they have a safe
[35:19] environment.
[35:20] And that's all I have.
[35:21] Again.
[35:22] >> chief, I appreciate the work
[35:22] that.
[35:23] >> you.
[35:24] And your team are doing to
[35:24] keep.
[35:25] Our community safe.
[35:26] Thank you.
[35:28] >> to council member perry.
[35:31] Thank you, MR. Mayor.
[35:33] Uh, thank you, chief and doctor
[35:34] stewart and, um, all.
[35:34] >> the.
[35:36] Cmpd staff and our partners for
[35:37] the work that you're doing.
[35:38] And thank you, uh, to members
[35:39] of the public who have weighed
[35:40] in on this and.
[35:42] Are, um, keen on.
[35:43] Ensuring that we're investing
[35:43] in.
[35:44] >> our youth.
[35:44] Um.
[35:47] I've got a couple of questions
[35:48] because I want to make sure.
[35:50] I understand the intended cause
[35:51] and effect here.
[35:52] Uh.
[35:54] >> you mentioned a little.
[35:55] While you all mentioned.
[35:56] Earlier in your.
[35:58] Uh in your presentation here.
[36:01] Some of the other benchmarking
[36:01] cities.
[36:01] Um.
[36:02] >> and you.
[36:02] >> mentioned that myrtle.
[36:03] Beach saw a.
[36:04] Correlation between the.
[36:06] Their time period, their 9 P.M.
[36:07] Versus.
[36:07] Their later.
[36:09] I'd like to understand a little
[36:10] bit more about why we believe.
[36:11] That 9.
[36:12] >> P.M..
[36:12] Is the.
[36:14] Correct time.
[36:15] >> as it relates to when
[36:15] incidents are happening.
[36:17] And then if you could talk to
[36:18] me a little bit about.
[36:20] The nature of these activities,
[36:21] you all have already mentioned
[36:23] that you've been able to host
[36:25] several of these activities
[36:25] without incident.
[36:27] Uh, for large numbers of teens
[36:27] .
[36:29] So I just want to understand a
[36:31] little bit more about the
[36:31] factors that you believe.
[36:33] Are.
[36:34] >> influencing juvenile crime
[36:36] and why this is the answer.
[36:38] Does that make sense?
[36:38] Yes ma'am.
[36:40] And thank you doctor watlington
[36:40] for that.
[36:41] So we'll start off with you
[36:43] saying how did we arrive at the
[36:44] 9:00 time frame.
[36:47] And so really just looking
[36:49] across at the time where we see
[36:51] the most youth start to gather
[36:52] gather and then also to from a
[36:53] safety perspective that about
[36:53] 9:00.
[36:54] Is when it.
[36:55] >> starts to get dark.
[36:57] Um and so looking at that and
[36:59] just knowing after it gets dark
[37:00] typically is when we start to
[37:02] see the youth congregate and
[37:04] they're out with our current um
[37:05] ordinance we have to wait to
[37:07] 10:00 if they're younger
[37:08] children we have to wait till
[37:11] 11:00 by then is so many young
[37:12] people in one space.
[37:13] It's hard to disperse them is
[37:15] hard to determine who's who and
[37:16] who MAY have a weapon on them.
[37:18] So that's where we landed on
[37:19] the 9 P.M. That is that general
[37:21] time when it starts to get dark
[37:22] and we can get a handle on
[37:23] what's going on and just.
[37:25] Basic crime theory if you will
[37:25] forgive me.
[37:27] I'm obviously not a law
[37:27] enforcement officer.
[37:29] Why does it matter if it's dark
[37:31] as it relates to incident
[37:31] rates?
[37:31] right?
[37:33] >> we just have seen from our
[37:35] data that after dark under the
[37:36] cloak of darkness is when we
[37:37] tend to see crime occur.
[37:40] The numbers that deputy chief
[37:41] brawley shared with you we
[37:44] looked specifically at
[37:46] victimization after 9 P.M. Just
[37:47] to see what those numbers were
[37:49] and we compared them with last
[37:50] year's numbers with 2025
[37:53] numbers in 20 in fy 2025 there
[37:56] were 406 juvenile victims um
[37:57] after 9 P.M. So that seems to
[37:59] be the time where we see those
[38:01] spikes kind of go up with our
[38:03] crime and that's how we you
[38:04] know, we use that in
[38:05] determining as well what a
[38:05] good.
[38:06] Time is.
[38:08] And just for comparison's sake,
[38:08] do we have.
[38:11] Those same um, numbers for the
[38:13] 11 P.M. And lighter window?
[38:13] We is.
[38:14] >> that additional two.
[38:15] >> hours right.
[38:16] We did not pull.
[38:16] >> those.
[38:17] Numbers but we certainly can.
[38:18] >> sure that would be great.
[38:19] I'd be very interested to.
[38:20] See uh.
[38:20] What the.
[38:21] >> difference would.
[38:23] Be between those two hours.
[38:24] Um and.
[38:24] >> then can.
[38:25] You speak a little bit to the
[38:26] nature of.
[38:27] >> the activity?
[38:28] Why having.
[38:29] Structured events.
[38:32] After 9:00 for teens MAY result
[38:33] in low.
[38:33] Incident rate or.
[38:35] >> no incident rate versus the
[38:36] un structure.
[38:38] so since deputy chief bradley
[38:39] still has young people in the
[38:39] house, I.
[38:40] Think she.
[38:41] She can address.
[38:42] That probably.
[38:43] >> better than some of us.
[38:43] >> perfect.
[38:46] >> good evening ma'am.
[38:47] So one of the things and I'll
[38:50] just use a real life experience
[38:52] with um, and university at
[38:52] university.
[38:52] What?
[38:57] So, uh, before dark we had a.
[38:57] >> lot.
[38:59] Of teens gather and just kind
[39:00] of walking around the boardwalk
[39:03] hanging out again as she says
[39:06] soon as 9:00 darkness hit, um,
[39:07] ski mask.
[39:07] Come on.
[39:08] Hoodies come on.
[39:10] And then you can just see the
[39:11] energy and until you are
[39:12] actually you're in it and feel
[39:13] it is really hard to.
[39:14] Explain it.
[39:17] Um, as we started with.
[39:18] Educating the.
[39:20] Kids around there and myself um
[39:22] ,and many of the team from
[39:23] again uptown and university
[39:24] division started walking around
[39:26] and educating kids hey you you
[39:27] need to go home.
[39:27] It's getting dark.
[39:28] I will.
[39:32] >> say about 300 kids about 75
[39:33] to 80 were like we just came
[39:34] here to hangout.
[39:34] If y'all.
[39:36] Talk about we got to go home,
[39:36] we're.
[39:36] >> going to go home.
[39:37] And they started calling their
[39:39] parents and they started going
[39:40] home to the point where we had
[39:42] to stop traffic on university
[39:43] and harris to let parents get
[39:45] in to come and get their kids
[39:46] because they genuinely did drop
[39:49] their kids off to hang out,
[39:50] unknowing that it was going to
[39:52] turn into a teen takeover.
[39:54] Now again though, there are 200
[39:54] and some.
[39:55] >> kids who decided to stay.
[39:57] That's the one video you saw
[39:58] where the fights began.
[39:59] Um there were several parents
[40:00] who were pepper sprayed by
[40:02] other teens um, trying to get
[40:04] their children from being
[40:05] assaulted by.
[40:06] >> other kids.
[40:07] Um, obviously.
[40:07] >> we.
[40:08] Took a.
[40:09] >> gun off of a juvenile so a
[40:12] lot of it is they are looking
[40:14] for somewhere to hang out a
[40:15] portion of them but some of
[40:16] them is not.
[40:18] And so again, as someone who's
[40:20] currently raising a 13 year old
[40:22] who's raised two adult kids now
[40:23] they are just looking for
[40:26] somewhere to go safe and with a
[40:28] major tell us is team and
[40:29] mecklenburg county sheriff's
[40:29] office.
[40:30] They were able to put on these
[40:31] events that.
[40:33] Had hundreds of kids at them
[40:35] with zero incidents because
[40:36] those kids are looking for
[40:38] somewhere to hang out and do
[40:38] something.
[40:39] But we have to be very
[40:41] cognizant there are a group and
[40:43] there's a section ality of kids
[40:45] who are looking to cause
[40:48] disturbance and settle disputes
[40:49] and so they.
[40:50] Will meet up.
[40:52] As that place to do it because
[40:53] they can't you know, school is
[40:54] out so they're not going to
[40:55] trespass or something like that
[40:56] .
[40:56] That makes sense.
[40:57] So it sounds like for the
[40:59] structured events you're a
[41:02] particular um a particular
[41:03] seeker if you will shows up for
[41:04] the structural events because
[41:05] most of the kids are just
[41:06] looking for something to do and
[41:08] it is because there are other
[41:10] kids around that those who have
[41:12] other motives are able to come
[41:16] in and be and be um disruptive.
[41:16] Yes, ma'am.
[41:16] Okay.
[41:18] That makes sense to me.
[41:20] Um, just a couple more
[41:20] questions.
[41:23] I wanted to understand how.
[41:26] Walk me through for someone who
[41:29] would say 17 year olds.
[41:31] Out at 9 P.M. In and of itself
[41:32] should not be an issue.
[41:34] We've heard the exceptions.
[41:34] Um.
[41:36] If there is an event.
[41:38] However that's not school
[41:39] sanctioned for instance they're
[41:39] going to the movies or
[41:41] something like that.
[41:43] Can you walk me through what
[41:44] implementation looks like in
[41:44] practice?
[41:46] Because I heard what you said,
[41:47] chief in regards to you simply
[41:48] don't have the staff to try to
[41:49] catch some of the adult
[41:50] criminals at this at this stage
[41:51] .
[41:52] So certainly you don't have
[41:55] extra bodies to to be curfew
[41:56] police.
[41:57] Um that said what then does
[41:59] this does this enable you to do
[41:59] .
[42:00] How would it look?
[42:01] Yes ma'am.
[42:04] >> and so 17 the reason why we
[42:05] went with 17 is because you
[42:07] cannot distinguish the age of
[42:08] these young people and
[42:09] typically they don't have ids
[42:10] on them.
[42:12] So we know and I know for a
[42:13] fact when I was at at ramiro
[42:15] bruton bearden park on 4th of
[42:16] JULY when I approached some
[42:17] young people just to entertain
[42:18] just to have conversation with
[42:20] them the ones who were 18 says
[42:21] I'm 18, here's my id and they
[42:22] pulled it out.
[42:23] The younger ones did not
[42:24] because they.
[42:24] >> don't.
[42:25] Have an id, so it's hard for
[42:25] us.
[42:27] To determine the ages of these
[42:28] youth right?
[42:31] So 17 is a safe age still.
[42:32] They're still a minor and they
[42:34] probably don't have an id card
[42:34] .
[42:36] Now the second part of your
[42:37] question as far as them going
[42:38] to a movie theater or something
[42:39] like that so we understand that
[42:40] is what young people do.
[42:42] We are not trying to keep them
[42:43] from doing those things
[42:44] lawfully that that they enjoy
[42:44] doing.
[42:46] However there needs to be
[42:47] supervision in doing it.
[42:49] If a parent writes a note
[42:50] saying that their child can go
[42:52] to the movies or.
[42:53] Supervise, we're not.
[42:54] Out looking.
[42:55] For those individuals.
[42:57] In fact, we're not going to be
[42:59] out looking for teens
[42:59] necessarily that are outside
[43:01] leading this ordinance.
[43:04] We need a tool that when they
[43:05] do congregate and it starts to
[43:07] go the route that the deputy
[43:08] chief talked about where the
[43:09] ski masks come on and the
[43:10] hoodie come on we just can't
[43:11] sit idly by.
[43:13] We can actually detain them.
[43:15] We can actually call parents
[43:16] and that kind of thing.
[43:17] So that's what we're looking at
[43:17] .
[43:19] Now in terms if this passes by
[43:21] this council, the way we will
[43:22] implement this is how we do
[43:23] with many things is a
[43:25] progressive enforcement that
[43:26] begins with an education
[43:26] campaign.
[43:27] We want people to be well
[43:28] educated, will work with cms
[43:28] schools.
[43:30] All our partners that are in
[43:32] the audience to get the word
[43:32] out.
[43:34] From there we will do lots of
[43:34] warnings and then when we have
[43:36] to take enforcement we will
[43:36] take enforcement.
[43:37] So that would be the
[43:38] progressive step that we would
[43:38] take.
[43:39] Thank you for that.
[43:40] And then in the winter time
[43:42] when it gets dark at 5 P.M. How
[43:44] are you all thinking about
[43:44] that?
[43:46] The hours between 5 to 9 in the
[43:46] winter time sure.
[43:47] That's going to be more
[43:48] challenging of course because
[43:50] it is dark and you might have
[43:51] people hanging out.
[43:52] Um, I think what we're going to
[43:53] run into kind of the same
[43:55] issues because it's going to be
[43:55] dark if they want.
[43:56] >> to meet.
[43:57] >> up, they're going.
[43:57] >> to.
[43:57] Start meeting up.
[43:58] We're going to have to kind of
[44:00] wait until 9 P.M. Before we can
[44:01] take effective enforcement.
[44:03] However, I feel that through
[44:05] the education campaign once the
[44:08] word gets out parents will know
[44:09] and we really need parents to
[44:10] be involved with their youth as
[44:11] long as they're.
[44:12] >> doing something.
[44:12] Productive and they're working,
[44:13] they're doing whatever they're
[44:14] going to be covered.
[44:16] But we want to prevent them
[44:17] from just getting in those
[44:18] situations that can cause
[44:18] violence.
[44:18] Thank you.
[44:20] >> and my very last question I
[44:22] think back to uh, a couple of
[44:24] years ago where we had these
[44:25] conversations with the general
[44:26] assembly around.
[44:26] >> uh, raising.
[44:27] The age.
[44:28] And then lowering the age that
[44:29] relates to juvenile crime.
[44:31] Can you just talk to me about
[44:35] how that overlaps with this
[44:35] work?
[44:37] Um, yes.
[44:39] And I'm going to ask attorney
[44:40] battle if she would just kind
[44:41] of address a little bit with
[44:41] raise.
[44:41] The age.
[44:42] >>.
[44:43] >> I'll just.
[44:44] Stand so you can see.
[44:45] Me but.
[44:46] >> so we raise the age.
[44:48] >> that where, um, 16 and 17
[44:50] year olds.
[44:50] >> were.
[44:52] Changed for as it relates to
[44:54] juvenile prosecution and.
[44:54] So.
[44:55] >> um.
[44:56] >> you know, when you think in.
[44:57] Hindsight sometimes changing
[44:59] local ordinances.
[44:59] >> to fit.
[45:00] State law.
[45:02] At a concurrent time frame is
[45:02] helpful.
[45:03] but I also.
[45:04] Think changes in data.
[45:05] Changes in.
[45:06] >> trend affect.
[45:07] Laws at a.
[45:09] >> state level and a local
[45:10] level.
[45:10] And so.
[45:11] This coincides because.
[45:12] >> a.
[45:12] Lot of the crimes.
[45:13] >> that we see 16.
[45:14] And 17.
[45:15] >> year olds committing.
[45:17] After this 9 P.M. Time are
[45:19] crimes that are non diverting
[45:20] crimes that can.
[45:21] Be charged as an adult.
[45:22] And so if.
[45:23] Those same.
[45:23] 16 and.
[45:25] 17 year olds are who are.
[45:26] Oftentimes committing.
[45:28] These associated firearms
[45:29] offenses that deputy chief.
[45:31] Braley talked about if they are
[45:32] in that curfew time.
[45:33] Frame again when we.
[45:34] >> talk.
[45:35] About youth protection and.
[45:36] Raising the age, it all.
[45:38] Coincides because.
[45:39] That demographic.
[45:40] >> of youth would.
[45:42] >> now be required to be inside
[45:43] earlier for an earlier
[45:45] restricted hour and not have to
[45:45] worry about the.
[45:47] Sort of raise the age issue
[45:47] with.
[45:48] >> our 16.
[45:49] And 17.
[45:49] >> year olds as well.
[45:50] Thank you.
[45:52] Just for planning purposes and
[45:53] I'm going to come to council
[45:54] member mayfield next.
[45:56] Um I am going.
[45:57] To move.
[45:57] >> the.
[45:57] other two.
[45:59] Items at least one probably
[46:00] both of the other two items
[46:02] that are on the action preview
[46:02] here.
[46:03] >> to the.
[46:04] Manager's report.
[46:05] So that we have time.
[46:06] >> for the.
[46:07] We have another matter that we
[46:09] need to discuss and I want to
[46:10] start that at least by 6:00.
[46:12] So if it's possible in our.
[46:13] Comments we have 15 minutes
[46:13] before.
[46:15] 6:00 if it's possible.
[46:17] >> in our comments to avoid
[46:18] redundancy of questions if
[46:18] that's.
[46:20] Possible and just ask the
[46:21] council members uh please do
[46:21] that.
[46:23] Thank you for those questions.
[46:24] And council member mayfield.
[46:25] .
[46:26] Thank you.
[46:27] Thank you MR. Mayor.
[46:29] Thank you.
[46:29] Chief and.
[46:31] Team and all.
[46:32] >> of our law enforcement.
[46:33] .
[46:34] >> this is getting ready to get
[46:35] captured in a minute so.
[46:37] Y'all can give us a report.
[46:38] For the.
[46:40] Questions that I'm going to ask
[46:40] .
[46:43] Basically I want to have an
[46:43] understanding.
[46:43] Of it.
[46:44] >> was mentioned.
[46:44] That the.
[46:46] >> store at the park and rec
[46:46] passes.
[46:47] I want to know.
[46:48] Exactly how.
[46:49] Those are going to be
[46:49] distributed.
[46:50] To the youth.
[46:51] because of the youth that
[46:51] we're.
[46:52] Talking about, our youth.
[46:53] >> that get.
[46:55] Together online, then they're
[46:56] not necessarily the ones that
[46:56] we're already.
[46:58] Capturing if they're showing
[46:59] up.
[46:59] So it will be helpful to.
[47:00] >> know exactly how that's
[47:01] going.
[47:01] >> to happen.
[47:04] Also I want to identify.
[47:06] How the three priority.
[47:08] Communities were identified
[47:09] when.
[47:10] We've seen takeovers.
[47:10] Happened in.
[47:11] >> camp north.
[47:12] ,then.
[47:16] >> in university out at the
[47:16] outlet.
[47:17] Potentially can happen.
[47:18] >> at south park.
[47:19] I want to know.
[47:20] Have a better.
[47:21] Understanding of how these
[47:23] priority communities were
[47:23] identified.
[47:25] I also want to know.
[47:27] What current.
[47:28] Organizations do we.
[47:29] Have that.
[47:31] Have events at the 9:00 for our
[47:32] youth?
[47:34] What I'm sorry one more time
[47:36] current organizations or.
[47:37] Partnerships do we.
[47:38] Have that.
[47:39] Have events.
[47:41] Available for our youth at the
[47:42] 9:00?
[47:43] So back in.
[47:44] 2020 um.
[47:45] Manager jones.
[47:47] Knows but and you MAY have
[47:47] read.
[47:48] About it mayor.
[47:50] Harrington in 2020 the.
[47:52] city partnered with ymca.
[47:53] We created.
[47:54] A the.
[47:55] We supported the level up.
[47:57] Program which specifically was
[47:59] a youth play at lock in on.
[48:01] Fridays and saturdays in the.
[48:03] Evenings where they had access
[48:03] .
[48:03] The biggest.
[48:05] Challenge with if I'm
[48:06] understanding.
[48:07] Correctly is.
[48:07] That our.
[48:08] >> youth.
[48:09] Don't have the same access
[48:09] that.
[48:10] >> I.
[48:11] Had as a child.
[48:11] Park and rec.
[48:12] >> is where I live that.
[48:15] Is very expensive to go.
[48:16] >> you plan to going to.
[48:16] East way you're.
[48:18] Going you're paying to go to
[48:18] sugarcreek, you're paying.
[48:19] >> to go to take a key.
[48:20] So and even.
[48:21] >> at that.
[48:23] Their business hours are
[48:24] daytime business hours.
[48:26] >> so understanding what.
[48:27] Actual events do we have a
[48:28] young.
[48:29] People that are.
[48:31] 9:00 will be.
[48:33] Helpful even if.
[48:35] It's a ymca.
[48:36] Used to.
[48:37] >> be 6 to 11.
[48:39] And it was very targeted.
[48:41] So having a update on.
[48:42] The level.
[48:44] >> up program that restore you
[48:44] did.
[48:45] Mention a.
[48:46] Partnership with the y.
[48:48] It would also.
[48:48] >> be.
[48:49] Helpful to know.
[48:53] in 2020 2022.
[48:54] When did it stop?
[48:56] When did the.
[48:57] >> programs that.
[48:57] >> were.
[48:58] Specifically created.
[49:00] For outreach to young.
[49:00] People during.
[49:02] Those evening hours?
[49:03] When did that stop.
[49:05] And to see if there's any data
[49:07] that correlates.
[49:08] When we've.
[49:08] Seen the uptick.
[49:10] Not to mention.
[49:11] If you're capturing.
[49:12] Information are these.
[49:14] New children um, new residents
[49:15] ?
[49:16] Are they children.
[49:18] Of current.
[49:20] Community that lost access.
[49:21] To a program?
[49:23] I also want to know
[49:24] specifically.
[49:26] More detail with our.
[49:27] Partnership with the county.
[49:28] What exactly.
[49:29] >> is park and rec doing.
[49:30] >> to outreach?
[49:31] Are they.
[49:32] Opening up.
[49:33] Their services.
[49:34] For no.
[49:35] >> fee because um.
[49:36] We pay a whole.
[49:37] >> lot in texas.
[49:39] Between city and county texas.
[49:41] That pay for our parks and rec
[49:42] services.
[49:43] So it will.
[49:43] >> be helpful.
[49:43] >> to.
[49:44] Have a better.
[49:44] Understanding of what.
[49:46] Access to.
[49:47] >> our young.
[49:47] >> people here.
[49:48] Because a lot.
[49:50] Of us involvement has been here
[49:50] long enough.
[49:52] You grew up playing basketball.
[49:53] You grew up playing soccer.
[49:53] >> you.
[49:54] Grew up playing a lot of these.
[49:55] Things because you.
[49:56] Had access to it.
[49:57] That's one of the.
[49:57] Challenges that.
[49:58] We're seeing.
[50:01] But mainly.
[50:02] I would.
[50:02] Repeat the.
[50:04] What current after.
[50:05] 9 P.M. Meeting.
[50:06] Places have.
[50:07] Been created.
[50:08] Specifically for youth.
[50:10] And lastly.
[50:11] We put a lot.
[50:13] Of energy and time in.
[50:13] >> our.
[50:14] Relationship with the.
[50:15] National league of.
[50:15] >> cities and our.
[50:17] Membership.
[50:18] National league of cities has
[50:18] seven.
[50:18] Strategies for.
[50:20] >> cities to increase
[50:21] meaningful youth.
[50:21] Engagement for violence.
[50:23] Reduction has our.
[50:26] Team chief I'm not even sure if
[50:27] you're aware.
[50:27] Of the relationship.
[50:28] >> that we have with the
[50:29] national league of cities, but
[50:30] .
[50:31] That membership.
[50:33] They are.
[50:35] Studies that have.
[50:36] Already been created with.
[50:38] Experts around the nation that
[50:39] looks at the top seven.
[50:40] Strategies for cities.
[50:43] Senator voices and experience.
[50:43] >> of young.
[50:43] People most.
[50:45] Directly impacted by the
[50:46] balance.
[50:47] Include youth.
[50:47] And the.
[50:49] >> creation of the events.
[50:50] Establish advisory boards.
[50:52] Invite youth.
[50:53] Into existing meetings.
[50:55] Diversify the communication
[50:56] outlets.
[50:57] Connect young.
[50:58] People with their professional
[51:00] goals and opportunities to
[51:00] grow.
[51:01] Integrate youth.
[51:03] As facilitators and.
[51:04] Participants into.
[51:06] Existing programs.
[51:08] There are models out there we
[51:12] already have this membership.
[51:13] So we're not spending money.
[51:14] On a study.
[51:17] It would be helpful.
[51:19] To get that information.
[51:21] Back and I'm not going to try
[51:22] to get you to answer all of it
[51:22] right.
[51:22] Now chief.
[51:23] >> because my colleagues also
[51:24] have questions but those are
[51:25] the things that will be helpful
[51:26] for me.
[51:27] Yes thank you mayor.
[51:27] Thank you.
[51:28] Council member mayfield.
[51:31] Executive council member.
[51:33] Thank you mayor and.
[51:35] Thank you chief patterson.
[51:36] >> you and I have spoken.
[51:37] >> and I won't.
[51:38] Belabor the issue.
[51:38] Um.
[51:39] For me.
[51:39] >> to.
[51:40] Vote in favor of.
[51:40] This, I'll be candid.
[51:41] I really would.
[51:42] Need to.
[51:42] Have a lot.
[51:43] More comfort.
[51:43] With respect.
[51:44] >> to.
[51:44] What.
[51:45] Happens to parents.
[51:47] We've heard, um, from.
[51:47] A few.
[51:48] >> parents over the.
[51:49] Course of the last few.
[51:50] Weeks with.
[51:50] Respect to.
[51:52] >> job consequences.
[51:52] >> and.
[51:52] Other consequences.
[51:53] >> that are brought to.
[51:54] Roost with them.
[51:55] And I'm.
[51:57] >> just asking perhaps attorney
[51:57] battle if you.
[51:58] >> can help me.
[52:00] Pass the language.
[52:02] Here that has the parent
[52:02] responsible.
[52:03] If knowingly.
[52:04] Permitting a child.
[52:07] >> to be out and how that.
[52:09] Jibes with the exception that.
[52:10] >> says if a child is running.
[52:10] >> an.
[52:11] Errand at.
[52:12] >> the parents direction.
[52:13] That seems to be.
[52:14] Um in.
[52:15] >> conflict to.
[52:16] >> a degree.
[52:16] That feels.
[52:17] Unworkable for me.
[52:18] Can you help me understand
[52:19] that?
[52:20] Yes, yes.
[52:21] >> thank you.
[52:22] Council member.
[52:22] >> owens.
[52:23] >> um.
[52:25] >> I believe that those.
[52:27] Two areas of the.
[52:27] Law still.
[52:28] Intersect in a.
[52:29] Positive way.
[52:30] If a parent.
[52:31] Knowingly allows.
[52:32] Their minor child.
[52:34] >> to be out in a.
[52:35] Way that is.
[52:36] Not an exception to the curfew
[52:37] .
[52:38] Then the parent would be liable
[52:39] .
[52:39] Under the.
[52:40] >> curfew law for.
[52:42] Their child being out.
[52:42] However.
[52:43] >> running an.
[52:44] Errand is an exception so if
[52:47] the parent were to be knowingly
[52:48] aware that their juvenile was
[52:49] out.
[52:49] Under one of.
[52:50] >> the.
[52:51] Exceptions whether it would.
[52:53] Be an errand or going to or
[52:55] from work or out with someone
[52:57] who's 21 or older.
[52:57] Than they.
[52:58] >> would be.
[52:59] Subject to an exception and
[52:59] the.
[53:00] Juvenile nor the.
[53:02] Parent would be responsible.
[53:02] >> and so.
[53:03] >> the only time that the ju.
[53:05] The juvenile's parent or
[53:07] guardian would be responsible
[53:07] under the.
[53:09] Excuse me under.
[53:10] >> the.
[53:10] Ordinance would.
[53:12] Be if the juvenile were to.
[53:13] Be out in violation.
[53:15] >> of the curfew meaning their
[53:16] actions are not subject.
[53:17] >> to any exception.
[53:18] If the.
[53:20] Juvenile was out under one of.
[53:21] The exceptions again with.
[53:23] A 21 year old or with their
[53:24] parent running an errand out
[53:25] for an emergency or a.
[53:26] School event.
[53:27] If the.
[53:28] >> juvenile has an exception
[53:28] to.
[53:29] be out, then that.
[53:30] Exception extends.
[53:32] >> to the parent and the parent
[53:33] would not be held.
[53:34] Responsible and.
[53:35] Charged with a.
[53:37] Violation under the.
[53:38] Ordinance is.
[53:39] When a parent knows that their.
[53:40] Child is out at a teen.
[53:42] Takeover for example when the
[53:43] parent would be.
[53:44] Responsible.
[53:45] >> with.
[53:47] Could I have one follow up?
[53:48] So just a brief follow up and
[53:49] again.
[53:50] >> we can we can talk.
[53:51] Offline and perhaps you know
[53:52] when.
[53:52] >> we.
[53:52] Bring this.
[53:52] Back up.
[53:53] >> you can give me some
[53:53] additional.
[53:54] Comfort.
[53:55] >> what support.
[53:56] >> attorney.
[53:57] Battle do we have.
[53:59] For families.
[53:59] Who are.
[53:59] >> having an.
[54:01] >> issue with a teen who they
[54:04] are unable to enforce
[54:04] restrictions.
[54:05] >> on in a meaningful.
[54:06] Way either because of their.
[54:07] Job schedule or.
[54:09] Because the child is just.
[54:10] >> quite honestly unruly.
[54:11] If someone.
[54:12] Comes to.
[54:13] The court, what.
[54:14] Is it.
[54:15] >> that they're asking for?
[54:15] >> what support.
[54:16] >> are we able to give as a
[54:18] community to prevent them.
[54:18] From having.
[54:19] >> an issue?
[54:21] i think the first level of.
[54:22] Support starts.
[54:23] Before a juvenile where to be
[54:24] charged and that would be
[54:25] offering parents the resources.
[54:27] Of juveniles being involved.
[54:29] In powell um mayor's.
[54:32] Youth enrichment program reach
[54:32] program, all of those.
[54:33] Sorts of things.
[54:35] I think once we.
[54:35] Have a.
[54:36] >> juvenile who.
[54:37] Is not listening.
[54:38] To their.
[54:39] Parents um juvenile court
[54:41] happens in a couple of.
[54:42] Different ways.
[54:43] Some children are abused.
[54:44] >> and.
[54:46] Neglected, others are
[54:46] undisciplined.
[54:47] Others are.
[54:49] Delinquent as in criminal.
[54:50] If a.
[54:51] Juvenile were to.
[54:51] Be what we would.
[54:53] Legally call undisciplined as
[54:54] in they are skipping school,
[54:55] they are not listening to.
[54:56] Their parent.
[54:57] A juvenile's.
[54:58] Parent certainly could.
[54:59] Contact the.
[55:00] >> department of social
[55:00] services.
[55:02] To assist in getting resources
[55:03] .
[55:05] And having monitoring on that
[55:05] situation.
[55:06] That is not a.
[55:08] Situation where automatically a
[55:10] parent's custody rights are at
[55:10] stake.
[55:10] It is a.
[55:11] >> way.
[55:12] A parent can tell the court
[55:13] system my child was charged
[55:16] with a youth ordinance
[55:16] violation.
[55:18] my child is undisciplined.
[55:19] They were out.
[55:20] I was trying to keep them in
[55:22] the home and they were not out.
[55:22] And so.
[55:23] The judge.
[55:24] And the department of social
[55:25] services.
[55:27] And the department of juvenile
[55:28] justice can.
[55:29] Offer resources once.
[55:30] We get to a.
[55:32] Situation where we use the
[55:33] legal.
[55:33] Definition of a.
[55:34] Child being.
[55:36] Undisciplined and they refuse
[55:36] to follow.
[55:39] Curfew despite their parent's
[55:40] best efforts.
[55:41] >> okay.
[55:42] Thank you.
[55:42] Just briefly if you'll follow.
[55:44] Up again on whether that does.
[55:45] Prompt the.
[55:45] >> opening of a.
[55:46] Neglect case, I've.
[55:48] >> been told that it does.
[55:49] And that gives me pause.
[55:49] Thank you.
[55:51] ,councilmember owens.
[55:53] >> if I can I can just address
[55:55] that as well because I had the
[55:55] conversation this morning with
[55:57] our district attorney um,
[55:58] similar to that matter.
[56:01] Um, they do have diversion
[56:01] programs.
[56:02] We are not trying to get in a
[56:05] habit of where a parent or a
[56:07] teen is in the criminal justice
[56:09] system um per se, so they do
[56:11] the district attorney's office
[56:12] to do diversion.
[56:13] They do classes where the
[56:14] parent has to do a parenting
[56:16] class so that the charge is.
[56:16] That it.
[56:17] >> isn't on the record.
[56:19] Essentially.
[56:20] and likewise council.
[56:21] >> member.
[56:22] Owens I think.
[56:23] It's a situation where.
[56:24] In general a.
[56:24] Lot of.
[56:25] >> curfew violations.
[56:25] >> I could.
[56:26] >> see.
[56:27] Being diverted especially.
[56:29] If it is a first time offender
[56:30] versus a child.
[56:30] Who has.
[56:31] Other pending.
[56:32] Criminal matters or.
[56:33] Is a.
[56:33] >> repeat curfew.
[56:34] Violation or.
[56:35] Excuse me.
[56:36] >> a repeat curfew violator.
[56:37] But once.
[56:38] >> at the.
[56:38] Courthouse the.
[56:40] >> department of juvenile.
[56:41] Justice as.
[56:41] >> in.
[56:43] Deja will take a holistic.
[56:45] Look at a child who is charged
[56:45] .
[56:45] >> with.
[56:46] A.
[56:46] Juvenile offense.
[56:47] And if.
[56:49] There were to be factual.
[56:50] Circumstances that.
[56:51] >> led to a neglect.
[56:51] Case that.
[56:53] Could happen.
[56:53] But that.
[56:55] >> is not automatic under the
[56:56] law for a curfew.
[56:57] Violation it will be facts.
[56:58] >> and circumstances.
[56:59] Within the knowledge.
[57:00] Of the court or dj.
[57:02] That could turn into an.
[57:02] Abuse, neglect.
[57:04] Or dependency.
[57:05] Case but it would not.
[57:07] Stem from the charge itself
[57:09] directly or not automatically.
[57:12] Thank you council member owens
[57:13] council member male.
[57:14] Thank you.
[57:15] Um I.
[57:16] >> had.
[57:17] A quick question.
[57:17] >> can.
[57:19] Staff show us like a map maybe
[57:20] at a later time of where the
[57:22] youth opportunities actually
[57:24] exist and where you have these
[57:24] partnerships?
[57:25] Uh.
[57:26] >> my concern is that there's a
[57:28] gap in that um.
[57:28] Particularly when.
[57:30] >> we're talking about steele
[57:30] creek.
[57:32] Nations ford is it a continuous
[57:35] conversation with our county
[57:36] commissioners, the fact that.
[57:36] There is a.
[57:41] Lack of um, recreation centers
[57:41] or place for.
[57:43] Kids to go.
[57:45] And then it exacerbates.
[57:46] These kind of issues.
[57:46] Um.
[57:47] >> so I'm.
[57:47] >> just.
[57:48] Curious based.
[57:49] >> on the programing that you
[57:52] all are already doing, how
[57:54] equitable is that and is are we
[57:55] really thinking through the
[57:56] needs of our community?
[57:58] So looking forward to seeing.
[57:59] That on the map.
[58:00] To see.
[58:01] Where is it occurring.
[58:03] And I'm hoping that we're
[58:03] using.
[58:05] Data to think where should it
[58:07] occur in the future and how
[58:07] can.
[58:08] >> we bring all our various
[58:10] partners, particularly our
[58:10] county partners.
[58:12] Who need.
[58:12] >> to bring.
[58:15] Additional resources like
[58:15] recreation.
[58:17] Centers to.
[58:17] Steele creek and nations
[58:18] forward?
[58:19] Thank you.
[58:20] >> thank you.
[58:21] Council member mayo.
[58:23] Council member.
[58:24] Driggs thank.
[58:25] >> you, MR. Mayor.
[58:27] So I.
[58:28] >> believe this is a very.
[58:29] Serious issue.
[58:30] It's part of what.
[58:32] I consider to be a troubling
[58:33] breakdown.
[58:33] In in.
[58:35] Civil conduct noisy cars.
[58:36] Road racing.
[58:37] Uh.
[58:38] ,retail theft.
[58:40] So we have to fight back.
[58:40] I get.
[58:42] >> that I appreciate what.
[58:43] Cmpd is doing and intend to
[58:44] support.
[58:45] What you're doing.
[58:46] Uh, I will.
[58:48] Just point out I have a
[58:48] concern.
[58:50] Somewhat along the lines, uh.
[58:51] Of, uh.
[58:52] Council member.
[58:54] Owens in that, uh, I would.
[58:55] Estimate that of.
[58:55] The population.
[58:56] Of charlotte.
[58:58] About 200,000.
[58:59] Are below the age.
[59:01] Of 1817.
[59:01] >> and under.
[59:02] Uh.
[59:04] >> about 60,000 round.
[59:05] Numbers are.
[59:07] Uh in the 13.
[59:07] >> to.
[59:08] 17 bracket.
[59:09] And how many of those.
[59:10] >> are actually offenders?
[59:12] How many of them are actually
[59:13] causing this.
[59:14] Problem and how many others
[59:15] will be limited.
[59:15] >> in.
[59:17] Their freedom because we have
[59:18] to address.
[59:18] >> this.
[59:19] Issue and.
[59:20] In particular I would highlight
[59:21] the fact.
[59:21] >> that.
[59:22] I think.
[59:22] >> the.
[59:23] Offenders are the ones who are
[59:25] least likely to obey their
[59:25] parents.
[59:26] Uh and.
[59:28] So you have.
[59:29] >> this.
[59:30] Strange situation where we're
[59:30] cracking.
[59:32] Down and.
[59:32] >> the.
[59:33] Problem exists.
[59:34] Precisely with.
[59:34] >> the people.
[59:35] >> that won't.
[59:35] Uh, listen to.
[59:36] Their parents.
[59:39] And then you have this, um.
[59:41] Recourse to the parents in
[59:42] which they are.
[59:43] Exposed to penalties.
[59:44] So I.
[59:44] >> guess my.
[59:45] Question would.
[59:47] >> just be will parents have a.
[59:49] Defense against liability for.
[59:50] >> these fines because.
[59:51] They are in a.
[59:53] Situation where their child is
[59:53] out of control?
[59:55] But dc.
[59:57] Thank you sir for that
[59:57] question.
[1:00:00] So I will say oftentimes and
[1:00:01] and this is practical
[1:00:02] application I've seen it I've
[1:00:03] been a part of it.
[1:00:05] Um if we pick up your juvenile
[1:00:07] after curfew obviously we make
[1:00:08] the phone call.
[1:00:10] We have had multiple incidents
[1:00:12] where a parent has said hey.
[1:00:12] You know.
[1:00:14] As chief uh, that.
[1:00:14] Um MISS.
[1:00:15] Battle said my.
[1:00:16] >> child is undisciplined.
[1:00:19] I've reported him missing 14
[1:00:20] times in two months.
[1:00:21] They won't go to school.
[1:00:22] >> they won't listen to me.
[1:00:24] You guys bring them home and
[1:00:24] they walk.
[1:00:26] >> right out the back door,
[1:00:26] right?
[1:00:28] We're not giving that parent a
[1:00:29] citation because those are
[1:00:30] conversations that they're
[1:00:31] having with the.
[1:00:31] Supervisors.
[1:00:33] >> with our team, with the
[1:00:34] officer.
[1:00:35] >> that has that child.
[1:00:35] >> in.
[1:00:36] Their custody at that time.
[1:00:39] And so this is not a situation
[1:00:40] where the parent shows up to
[1:00:41] get their kid and they're
[1:00:43] immediately handed a citation.
[1:00:44] There are multiple
[1:00:45] conversations that are taking
[1:00:47] place and I've been part of
[1:00:47] those conversations.
[1:00:49] I've seen them happen where we
[1:00:49] sit down and.
[1:00:50] >> we try.
[1:00:51] >> to give that parent
[1:00:53] resources so there are
[1:00:54] opportunities where we are able
[1:00:56] to pull that juveniles uh,
[1:00:58] information up to see if indeed
[1:00:59] that parents account is true.
[1:01:01] And now often times in
[1:01:03] different cases it is true and
[1:01:04] we try to connect them with as
[1:01:04] many.
[1:01:06] resources as we can to try to
[1:01:07] help that parent out.
[1:01:09] Right.
[1:01:11] >> it means that you will have
[1:01:13] to use uh, a certain amount of
[1:01:15] judgment in your administration
[1:01:16] of these rules both as it
[1:01:20] relates to the uh uh, who's out
[1:01:21] and what they're doing and as
[1:01:22] it relates.
[1:01:24] So I appreciate that you have a
[1:01:25] tool here that can be brought
[1:01:26] to bear against the juvenile or
[1:01:28] the parent and uh.
[1:01:31] I trust cmpd to use that
[1:01:34] authority judiciously and and
[1:01:35] not penalize people who.
[1:01:36] Really aren't.
[1:01:37] Guilty of anything.
[1:01:37] So thank.
[1:01:38] You for what you're doing.
[1:01:39] Thank you, MR. Driggs.
[1:01:41] Thank you.
[1:01:42] Council member driggs I think
[1:01:43] next is council member graham.
[1:01:43] .
[1:01:45] >> and I'll be quick.
[1:01:47] MR. Mayor, I understand your
[1:01:48] time limit at 6:00.
[1:01:48] I just.
[1:01:49] Wanted to thank.
[1:01:51] Uh, cmpd and chief patterson
[1:01:52] for your leadership on on this
[1:01:53] particular issue.
[1:01:55] I was, uh.
[1:01:57] >> at university city, uh,
[1:01:59] joined the teen takeover and.
[1:01:59] >> uh.
[1:01:59] It was.
[1:02:00] Um.
[1:02:01] >> different at best.
[1:02:04] Uh, for sure there was a
[1:02:06] news article uh, interview
[1:02:07] where three football players
[1:02:10] actually supported high school
[1:02:11] football players supported the
[1:02:13] teen curfew uh, and wanted.
[1:02:14] Restrictions and.
[1:02:16] Guidelines for themselves as
[1:02:17] well as their peers.
[1:02:19] but they also wanted something
[1:02:21] to do as well right where they
[1:02:23] can go for a safe space uh and
[1:02:24] be responsible and.
[1:02:25] Hanging out and.
[1:02:26] >> doing things that teenagers
[1:02:26] do.
[1:02:28] And so I do.
[1:02:28] >> want to.
[1:02:29] Echo some of that.
[1:02:29] >> my comments.
[1:02:31] In reference to really making
[1:02:32] sure that this is.
[1:02:33] An intentional.
[1:02:36] Year round when something
[1:02:38] happens, not when.
[1:02:39] There's a shooting on on new
[1:02:40] year's eve, not when there's a
[1:02:41] teen take over.
[1:02:43] We have to be very intentional
[1:02:45] about interacting and engaging
[1:02:48] our our young people every day
[1:02:51] of the year and we have to have
[1:02:53] some collaboration with
[1:02:54] mecklenburg county and parks
[1:02:56] and recreation and how these
[1:02:58] rec centers are being utilized
[1:02:59] all over the city.
[1:03:00] Uh, for sure.
[1:03:04] Uh, and and we have to answer
[1:03:05] the question about all the
[1:03:07] schools that are sitting empty
[1:03:09] during the summer months with
[1:03:11] pools and gymnasium and and
[1:03:13] empty classroom space where
[1:03:14] they can do a live variety of
[1:03:15] things.
[1:03:17] If we come together as a
[1:03:18] community and fund those
[1:03:20] activities and utilizing these
[1:03:22] schools uh council member male
[1:03:23] throughout the county
[1:03:24] throughout the city.
[1:03:28] Lastly there is a teen takeover
[1:03:29] that I'm aware of.
[1:03:32] Uh, it's a positive thing
[1:03:34] OCTOBER 24th and district two
[1:03:38] at the balloon studios there uh
[1:03:40] is an art take over mural
[1:03:43] painting uh canvas painting,
[1:03:45] drawing, sketching uh recording
[1:03:47] studio all will be in the iron
[1:03:48] district.
[1:03:51] It will be from 4 to 8 P.M.
[1:03:53] Before the curfew takes place.
[1:03:56] And so this is an example of
[1:03:57] where parents are coming
[1:04:00] together trying to organize
[1:04:02] creative activities for their
[1:04:02] kids.
[1:04:05] So we need to the school system
[1:04:07] the county nonprofit
[1:04:08] organization and churches to be
[1:04:11] very intentional every day of
[1:04:12] the year.
[1:04:14] Not until there's a major
[1:04:15] incident and then everyone is
[1:04:16] excited about helping the
[1:04:17] youth.
[1:04:18] Uh, and then four weeks from
[1:04:19] now we're off to something
[1:04:20] else.
[1:04:21] Thank you.
[1:04:21] Thank you.
[1:04:22] >> council member graham
[1:04:23] council member johnson.
[1:04:25] Thank you.
[1:04:26] >> mayor.
[1:04:27] Um.
[1:04:28] >> what happens.
[1:04:29] If the.
[1:04:31] Curfew is violated.
[1:04:32] If the.
[1:04:34] Curfews violated there's a
[1:04:34] couple of things.
[1:04:37] One is our officers will take
[1:04:38] detain the youth.
[1:04:40] We'll call their parents, we'll
[1:04:41] talk to the parents.
[1:04:43] Um, if warranted, let's say
[1:04:44] this is about the third time or
[1:04:45] something like that this is
[1:04:45] occurred and they would do a.
[1:04:46] Juvenile arrest.
[1:04:47] >> on them.
[1:04:47] The officers.
[1:04:49] Have discretion in that area
[1:04:50] and if this is passed like I
[1:04:51] stated earlier we would start
[1:04:53] with the education campaign and
[1:04:54] then from there warnings and
[1:04:55] then enforcement.
[1:04:56] So you're.
[1:04:56] >> keeping.
[1:04:58] Track of the children that you
[1:04:58] detained?
[1:04:59] Yes we're able to do that.
[1:05:01] Okay.
[1:05:03] >> and if they're 16 or 17
[1:05:04] years.
[1:05:04] Old and.
[1:05:04] >> they're.
[1:05:05] Arrested are they charged.
[1:05:06] >> as an adult?
[1:05:07] No.
[1:05:08] >> no.
[1:05:10] >> jessica do you want to.
[1:05:10] Clarify that.
[1:05:11] >> yes.
[1:05:11] Or no okay.
[1:05:12] They are not.
[1:05:12] >> charged.
[1:05:13] As an adult.
[1:05:13] But they.
[1:05:15] Is that a misdemeanor?
[1:05:16] It will go to juvenile.
[1:05:17] Court um as a.
[1:05:19] Misdemeanor and it will be.
[1:05:20] It will be heard there.
[1:05:21] The only time.
[1:05:22] >> they might be charged with
[1:05:22] an adult.
[1:05:22] Is if.
[1:05:23] >> there's an accompanying.
[1:05:25] Offense that would make.
[1:05:27] >> them as a 16 or 17 year old.
[1:05:28] Held as an adult.
[1:05:29] Right?
[1:05:29] >> that would.
[1:05:29] >> be.
[1:05:31] The crime anyway, right?
[1:05:31] But I mean.
[1:05:33] >> just for the curfew alone.
[1:05:33] Yeah.
[1:05:34] >> no juvenile court.
[1:05:36] Okay, so you say.
[1:05:38] That if they're if they have a
[1:05:38] note from.
[1:05:38] >> their.
[1:05:39] Parent or they're on their way
[1:05:42] from work if they're in a car,
[1:05:44] are they able to be pulled over
[1:05:46] for curfew violation.
[1:05:48] Probable curfew.
[1:05:51] Violation legally if you look.
[1:05:51] >> at the.
[1:05:52] Black and white.
[1:05:53] Letter of the law seeing.
[1:05:53] >> a.
[1:05:54] Minor out who is.
[1:05:55] In the.
[1:05:55] >> age demographic.
[1:05:56] >> of the curfew.
[1:05:57] That would.
[1:05:58] Give law enforcement.
[1:06:00] Reasonable suspicion to stop a
[1:06:00] vehicle.
[1:06:01] However, chief.
[1:06:02] Patterson has authority.
[1:06:05] >> to set directives on how and
[1:06:06] when officers were.
[1:06:07] >> to.
[1:06:08] Work would enforce the curfew.
[1:06:09] But yes, it would be a
[1:06:10] reasonable suspicion.
[1:06:11] To stop a vehicle.
[1:06:11] Thank you.
[1:06:12] Do we have.
[1:06:12] A youth.
[1:06:13] >> council where we're hearing
[1:06:14] from the youth?
[1:06:16] Actually we do.
[1:06:16] >> and.
[1:06:17] I have uh, major tell us is
[1:06:19] here I know where in the
[1:06:20] interest of time we can get
[1:06:21] more information but we do we
[1:06:23] did reach out to the youth even
[1:06:25] at the beginning of the summer
[1:06:26] to get ideas on things that
[1:06:27] they would like done.
[1:06:28] So we will get that compiled
[1:06:29] and major tells will make sure
[1:06:31] we get that over to you okay.
[1:06:33] And then one of the slides.
[1:06:34] Said if a.
[1:06:35] Business knowingly.
[1:06:36] I'm looking for this slide.
[1:06:37] If a.
[1:06:38] Business knowingly.
[1:06:42] supports curfew violation the
[1:06:42] business can.
[1:06:43] Be penalized.
[1:06:46] So if a if a.
[1:06:48] Uh teenager.
[1:06:50] Goes out to dinner after a
[1:06:50] football game.
[1:06:52] They're in a restaurant.
[1:06:53] The restaurant is.
[1:06:55] Responsible or who has that
[1:06:55] business.
[1:06:57] Affected?
[1:06:58] >> I believe.
[1:06:59] The intent or spirit.
[1:07:00] >> of that particular part of
[1:07:01] the exception is.
[1:07:02] >> for.
[1:07:02] Businesses that.
[1:07:04] >> encourage juveniles.
[1:07:04] >> to.
[1:07:05] Violate the curfew.
[1:07:06] .
[1:07:06] >> um.
[1:07:06] Businesses that.
[1:07:07] >> conduct sort.
[1:07:08] >> of.
[1:07:09] Juvenile dance halls or.
[1:07:11] Juvenile clubs that.
[1:07:13] Allow juveniles to be out in
[1:07:13] violation of.
[1:07:14] The curfew.
[1:07:16] With the intent of violating
[1:07:17] the curfew.
[1:07:17] >> and breaking the law.
[1:07:19] But it wouldn't be something.
[1:07:19] >> where.
[1:07:20] Cmpd would be.
[1:07:20] Curfew police.
[1:07:22] Going to different restaurants
[1:07:22] to look.
[1:07:23] For juveniles.
[1:07:24] But if you allowed.
[1:07:25] An unlawful.
[1:07:25] Assembly of.
[1:07:27] >> juveniles to occur in your
[1:07:27] business.
[1:07:28] You could.
[1:07:29] >> be held responsible for.
[1:07:30] Allowing that.
[1:07:32] Restricted violation.
[1:07:33] but the offense is the same
[1:07:35] regardless of the intent, right
[1:07:35] .
[1:07:36] It is.
[1:07:37] However I believe.
[1:07:38] The intent.
[1:07:39] Goes to the enforcement.
[1:07:40] >> of.
[1:07:40] It in that.
[1:07:41] Cmpd would not go.
[1:07:43] >> out not going into
[1:07:44] restaurants or movie theaters.
[1:07:45] Looking for juveniles.
[1:07:46] But if it were.
[1:07:47] Intended to be.
[1:07:48] A teen toake.
[1:07:49] Teen excuse.
[1:07:50] Me teen takeover.
[1:07:52] Hosted inside of a.
[1:07:53] Business um.
[1:07:54] That would.
[1:07:56] Be where that particular part
[1:07:56] of the.
[1:07:57] Law takes place.
[1:07:58] We don't usually see that.
[1:08:00] That's a where charge it's.
[1:08:00] Typically the.
[1:08:02] Juveniles and.
[1:08:03] >> or their caregivers.
[1:08:03] That's fine.
[1:08:05] Just a couple more questions I
[1:08:06] told you mayor this is going.
[1:08:07] I mean.
[1:08:08] >> this is an important topic
[1:08:10] and we should be able to ask
[1:08:10] these questions.
[1:08:11] Okay.
[1:08:12] Um.
[1:08:20] The object or the intent.
[1:08:21] Or the purpose.
[1:08:22] >> is to address the.
[1:08:23] Teen takeovers.
[1:08:24] That's why we're.
[1:08:26] That's why.
[1:08:28] >> we're discussing this today.
[1:08:28] Is this a.
[1:08:29] Temporary measure?
[1:08:31] I would like to see this
[1:08:33] permanent um certainly if if
[1:08:35] like myrtle beach if we impose
[1:08:37] this and then we start to see
[1:08:38] reductions, we are seeing where
[1:08:39] teens are not being harmed or
[1:08:41] hurt, then that's something
[1:08:42] else we could bring back to you
[1:08:43] for modification.
[1:08:45] But we would like it to be a
[1:08:46] permanent change.
[1:08:49] So could we increase.
[1:08:50] The can.
[1:08:50] We bring.
[1:08:52] In some of these youth to look
[1:08:53] at social media and to stop.
[1:08:54] These teen.
[1:08:55] These teen.
[1:08:57] Takeovers before.
[1:08:58] They start?
[1:08:58] I heard.
[1:09:01] That there's been some activity
[1:09:01] and there's been some
[1:09:02] monitoring and.
[1:09:03] Because of that some.
[1:09:04] Of the.
[1:09:06] Planned events have fizzled out
[1:09:06] .
[1:09:09] Is that true in terms you're
[1:09:10] saying some of it has feels
[1:09:12] like recent reduction due to
[1:09:14] our monitoring.
[1:09:16] So we had how many teen
[1:09:17] takeovers dc riley.
[1:09:19] Um that we knew of the.
[1:09:21] Exact number that we responded
[1:09:21] .
[1:09:21] >> to.
[1:09:22] Over the summer were six.
[1:09:24] Okay.
[1:09:27] >> what I would like to see is
[1:09:30] some of these solutions.
[1:09:32] Enacted and.
[1:09:33] Maybe I don't know.
[1:09:34] Before we.
[1:09:35] Enacted a curfew.
[1:09:37] Or you know, maybe a temporary
[1:09:39] curfew and then we take a look.
[1:09:41] At, you know, opening up these
[1:09:41] third.
[1:09:43] Places working with the county
[1:09:44] I think this is an as an in
[1:09:44] governance.
[1:09:45] as a.
[1:09:47] Governance intergovernmental
[1:09:48] issue the county in the.
[1:09:49] State we need solutions.
[1:09:50] There's not.
[1:09:51] >> a skating.
[1:09:51] >> rink.
[1:09:52] In a.
[1:09:53] Reasonable district in this
[1:09:53] city.
[1:09:55] So if we want to fund.
[1:09:57] Something instead of.
[1:09:59] Increasing criminal I mean
[1:09:59] there's cates.
[1:10:01] But if you're in the university
[1:10:02] it's very, very far.
[1:10:03] So if.
[1:10:04] >> we want to fund.
[1:10:05] Something or be.
[1:10:06] Intentional about something.
[1:10:07] Let's be intentional about.
[1:10:09] Third places or solutions.
[1:10:11] >> are helping the youth.
[1:10:12] >> you know we have a.
[1:10:13] >> we have universities we.
[1:10:13] Can work with them.
[1:10:15] Maybe there's some options I
[1:10:16] just don't want.
[1:10:18] And I said I was not going.
[1:10:18] To you know.
[1:10:19] >> I was.
[1:10:20] Going to just be neutral.
[1:10:21] >> and.
[1:10:21] Really listen.
[1:10:22] >> but I don't support.
[1:10:24] Increasing um.
[1:10:26] Interaction with.
[1:10:27] Our youth and.
[1:10:28] Um.
[1:10:28] .
[1:10:28] And.
[1:10:30] Police on a negative.
[1:10:31] Basis or.
[1:10:34] Possibly impacting their
[1:10:36] criminal record and their
[1:10:37] future if there's something
[1:10:38] more that we can do.
[1:10:39] So I think we.
[1:10:39] >> should.
[1:10:40] Take a look at other options.
[1:10:41] before we.
[1:10:42] >> proceed.
[1:10:43] >> especially when you.
[1:10:44] >> talk about parents being
[1:10:44] responsible.
[1:10:46] I've spoken to a parent that's
[1:10:48] asked for help numerous times.
[1:10:50] Her child is committing crimes
[1:10:50] and.
[1:10:51] She can't get any help.
[1:10:53] So we.
[1:10:54] Have to look at this
[1:10:55] realistically.
[1:10:56] >> in my opinion.
[1:10:56] But you.
[1:10:57] >> know when the chief says if
[1:10:58] you if you don't do something.
[1:10:59] Children are going to die.
[1:11:00] >> I mean.
[1:11:01] >> that's something we also
[1:11:02] have the responsibility we want
[1:11:03] to protect our.
[1:11:05] Youth but protecting them is
[1:11:05] also.
[1:11:08] Providing solutions and
[1:11:09] protecting their future as well
[1:11:09] .
[1:11:10] Thank you.
[1:11:11] Thank you council member
[1:11:13] johnson council member MISS
[1:11:13] Various.
[1:11:15] Thank you mayor.
[1:11:16] Uh thank.
[1:11:16] >> you.
[1:11:17] Chief and thank.
[1:11:18] You uh staff.
[1:11:19] For really.
[1:11:20] Putting this presentation.
[1:11:21] >> I really.
[1:11:21] Appreciate it.
[1:11:22] I take.
[1:11:24] Particular interest.
[1:11:24] >> in.
[1:11:25] This issue.
[1:11:25] Uh.
[1:11:26] >> being the council.
[1:11:26] Member closer.
[1:11:27] >> to.
[1:11:27] Being a.
[1:11:27] Teenager.
[1:11:30] >> uh uh, just ten.
[1:11:31] >> years ago.
[1:11:32] Um.
[1:11:34] >> and so, um.
[1:11:36] You know, and I and I start.
[1:11:36] >> with.
[1:11:37] That because.
[1:11:39] Ten years ago there.
[1:11:39] >> were.
[1:11:41] Pools, there were bowling
[1:11:41] alleys.
[1:11:42] There are.
[1:11:43] >> places for.
[1:11:44] Myself and.
[1:11:44] >> my friends to.
[1:11:45] Go to.
[1:11:49] That a lot of places now impose
[1:11:50] restrictions for young people
[1:11:51] to be at.
[1:11:51] I have.
[1:11:51] >> a.
[1:11:52] Uh.
[1:11:53] >> 18 year old sister.
[1:11:54] >> who.
[1:11:54] I just asked.
[1:11:55] Recently what.
[1:11:56] Does she do for fun?
[1:11:58] And the only place she was.
[1:11:58] >> able.
[1:11:58] To say.
[1:11:59] >> it was.
[1:11:59] >> south.
[1:12:01] Park because everywhere else
[1:12:02] um, is for folks that are.
[1:12:03] 21 and up.
[1:12:04] And during.
[1:12:05] >> the world.
[1:12:05] Cup I.
[1:12:05] >> had.
[1:12:06] Family visiting.
[1:12:07] >> from colombia which.
[1:12:08] By the way.
[1:12:08] Colombia is.
[1:12:09] >> in my thoughts and.
[1:12:10] Prayers today after the.
[1:12:12] Earthquake that they
[1:12:12] experienced.
[1:12:15] Um and and we kind of watch.
[1:12:15] >> a.
[1:12:16] World cup.
[1:12:17] game because a lot of our bars
[1:12:18] and restaurants.
[1:12:21] Impose 21 and up restrictions.
[1:12:21] Right.
[1:12:22] >> and so.
[1:12:23] Intentionally or.
[1:12:25] Unintentionally um.
[1:12:26] Our policy decisions.
[1:12:27] >> and the business
[1:12:28] environment.
[1:12:28] That we've.
[1:12:29] >> created has.
[1:12:29] Made the.
[1:12:31] >> city and my belief.
[1:12:32] Unsustainable for.
[1:12:33] >> a.
[1:12:33] Younger people.
[1:12:34] Uh, to really thrive.
[1:12:35] >> in.
[1:12:35] And get involved in.
[1:12:36] Um.
[1:12:37] >> so I.
[1:12:38] And I take the.
[1:12:38] Recent youth.
[1:12:39] Takeovers and.
[1:12:41] >> safety concerns seriously.
[1:12:42] Uh.
[1:12:42] >> but I do.
[1:12:43] >> believe.
[1:12:43] We should.
[1:12:45] >> target harmful conduct.
[1:12:45] Not make.
[1:12:47] Simply being young and.
[1:12:48] Outside after 9 P.M..
[1:12:49] Grounds for.
[1:12:50] Police intervention.
[1:12:51] I think the proposal right now.
[1:12:52] >> as.
[1:12:52] It stands.
[1:12:53] Would impose.
[1:12:54] Uh, the.
[1:12:55] 9 P.M. Curfew on.
[1:12:57] Everyone under 18 and I.
[1:12:57] >> do.
[1:12:58] Think that's extremely.
[1:12:59] Uh, a broad response to.
[1:13:01] Incidents involving a.
[1:13:03] Much smaller.
[1:13:04] >> number of incidents.
[1:13:04] We heard.
[1:13:05] >> just now.
[1:13:06] Six incidents.
[1:13:06] Right.
[1:13:07] Um.
[1:13:08] >> the uh.
[1:13:09] I also have some.
[1:13:11] Concerns as well.
[1:13:13] Because we're not.
[1:13:15] Getting much.
[1:13:16] Help from.
[1:13:17] >> the state.
[1:13:18] We're seeing gaps.
[1:13:19] Within our the.
[1:13:21] County um, as well.
[1:13:23] As uh our schools.
[1:13:23] Uh.
[1:13:24] >> we mentioned empty.
[1:13:25] School buildings.
[1:13:26] Throughout the summer.
[1:13:26] Um.
[1:13:29] And also my concern about our.
[1:13:30] County jail system and.
[1:13:32] How, you know, we have violent.
[1:13:33] Criminals who.
[1:13:34] Commit to commit.
[1:13:36] Violent offenses.
[1:13:37] Who are let out.
[1:13:38] >> of.
[1:13:41] Jail uh, five hours later, you
[1:13:42] know, and and so how are we
[1:13:42] going to keep.
[1:13:44] >> at pace with this?
[1:13:44] Um.
[1:13:46] So I have a few.
[1:13:46] Questions and.
[1:13:47] >> I don't.
[1:13:47] >> I don't.
[1:13:48] Want to.
[1:13:49] >> uh, be later the point but,
[1:13:49] um.
[1:13:50] I currently.
[1:13:52] >> don't support this as it is
[1:13:52] .
[1:13:52] Without a.
[1:13:55] >> complimentary humanitarian.
[1:13:56] Youth centered.
[1:13:57] Solution attached to it.
[1:13:58] Um.
[1:14:00] >> some questions and follow
[1:14:00] ups.
[1:14:00] that we.
[1:14:02] >> can take offline are one.
[1:14:04] I would like to see.
[1:14:04] >> the data.
[1:14:05] On the.
[1:14:06] >> effectiveness of youth
[1:14:07] curfews.
[1:14:08] Um, as.
[1:14:10] Uh I did my research.
[1:14:12] Systemic uh, systematic.
[1:14:13] Review of 12 studies.
[1:14:14] >> found.
[1:14:15] No meaningful evidence.
[1:14:17] That youth curfews reduce crime
[1:14:17] .
[1:14:18] Or victimization.
[1:14:20] Um, a curfew.
[1:14:20] MAY disperse.
[1:14:21] One gathering.
[1:14:22] But it.
[1:14:22] >> could.
[1:14:23] Simply push.
[1:14:23] Young people into.
[1:14:25] Different and potentially.
[1:14:26] Less safe.
[1:14:27] >> locations for.
[1:14:28] >> their teen takeovers.
[1:14:30] Uh, perhaps.
[1:14:31] >> in the woods and the.
[1:14:32] Forest places you.
[1:14:34] Know where we will have no idea
[1:14:35] where they're at.
[1:14:36] Um.
[1:14:38] >> the other thing I have a.
[1:14:39] Question on is the sister.
[1:14:41] Cities examples.
[1:14:41] Um.
[1:14:43] >> I saw that there's.
[1:14:44] They're they're.
[1:14:45] >> much more flexible.
[1:14:46] With myrtle.
[1:14:48] >> beach having a, uh.
[1:14:50] Youth curfew 17.
[1:14:50] >> years old.
[1:14:51] >> and.
[1:14:52] Younger citywide at midnight.
[1:14:54] Atlanta 17 year.
[1:14:55] Olds and.
[1:14:56] >> younger sunday through
[1:14:57] thursday.
[1:14:58] 11 P.M. To 6.
[1:14:59] >> A.M..
[1:14:59] Friday and saturday.
[1:15:01] Midnight to 6:06 A.M..
[1:15:02] And then nashville.
[1:15:03] 18 years.
[1:15:04] >> old and.
[1:15:07] Under sunday through thursday
[1:15:07] 11 P.M..
[1:15:07] >> to 5.
[1:15:08] A.M. Friday and saturday.
[1:15:10] 12 A.M. To 5 A.M..
[1:15:10] And with the summer.
[1:15:13] Exception all curfews are from
[1:15:13] 12.
[1:15:14] >> A.M. To 5 A.M..
[1:15:14] From JUNE.
[1:15:16] 1st to AUGUST 31st.
[1:15:16] So I.
[1:15:17] Do would like to know.
[1:15:21] Why ours is a little less
[1:15:22] flexible and more uh, strict.
[1:15:23] Um and.
[1:15:25] >> what what uh.
[1:15:26] Studies and data led.
[1:15:27] To that.
[1:15:29] Um solution.
[1:15:29] Being presented.
[1:15:33] The third thing is we as a
[1:15:34] council and we've heard this
[1:15:37] from uh, cmpd as well we have
[1:15:37] limited resources.
[1:15:39] Uh, they're scarce.
[1:15:41] And so we also heard.
[1:15:42] You know, we won't have no
[1:15:42] curfew.
[1:15:43] Police.
[1:15:44] >> well, then.
[1:15:44] >> I.
[1:15:45] Asked them why a curfew.
[1:15:46] And then.
[1:15:47] But but that really.
[1:15:48] Ultimately leads.
[1:15:50] >> to another broader
[1:15:50] conversation.
[1:15:50] How will.
[1:15:51] We have.
[1:15:52] The capacity.
[1:15:56] And resources to process curfew
[1:15:57] violations, particularly when
[1:15:58] we have a lot of targeted
[1:15:59] operations happening.
[1:15:59] >> in center.
[1:16:02] City that are taking those
[1:16:03] resources away from other
[1:16:03] districts?
[1:16:04] Um.
[1:16:06] >> and then and.
[1:16:07] >> I hope this is jotting down
[1:16:08] and.
[1:16:08] >> I don't expect.
[1:16:09] >> the answers right.
[1:16:10] Now I just want to make.
[1:16:10] Sure it's.
[1:16:11] Brought in in.
[1:16:11] >> the.
[1:16:12] Meeting notes.
[1:16:13] Um, the.
[1:16:15] Office of youth opportunities I
[1:16:15] want to hone in.
[1:16:16] >> on that.
[1:16:16] >> I know.
[1:16:16] >> you.
[1:16:17] Said not to.
[1:16:17] Be redundant.
[1:16:18] >> but I just.
[1:16:19] Want to make sure it's out
[1:16:19] there.
[1:16:20] Um.
[1:16:22] >> what results have they
[1:16:22] produced.
[1:16:24] And why are sustained youth.
[1:16:26] Investments not a central
[1:16:26] component.
[1:16:27] >> of our corridors of
[1:16:28] opportunity programing?
[1:16:29] Uh.
[1:16:30] >> particularly because.
[1:16:30] >> I.
[1:16:31] Have not seen that in the east
[1:16:31] side.
[1:16:32] I do not see.
[1:16:34] Youth programing attached to
[1:16:34] corridors.
[1:16:35] >> of opportunity.
[1:16:36] Funding happening the east side
[1:16:36] .
[1:16:38] Um and then I want to.
[1:16:41] Touch base on municipal service
[1:16:41] districts.
[1:16:42] so in locations such.
[1:16:43] As the.
[1:16:45] >> university broadwalk
[1:16:47] boardwalk what responsibilities
[1:16:49] should property owners,
[1:16:50] security providers.
[1:16:51] And municipal.
[1:16:52] >> service districts.
[1:16:55] Uh carry instead of relying on
[1:16:55] a.
[1:16:57] Citywide youth curfew?
[1:17:00] Um and then my last question.
[1:17:01] Will the ordinance include.
[1:17:02] >> a.
[1:17:02] Sunset date.
[1:17:03] And independent.
[1:17:05] Evaluation and the data.
[1:17:06] Does indeed.
[1:17:07] Show and this.
[1:17:08] Council decides.
[1:17:09] To pass.
[1:17:09] >> it.
[1:17:11] Uh pass this ordinance.
[1:17:12] Uh.
[1:17:13] >> does.
[1:17:14] Not if the data shows that it
[1:17:15] won't reduce.
[1:17:16] Teen takeovers or improve.
[1:17:19] Safety or that enforcement is
[1:17:19] racially.
[1:17:21] Disproportionate because we did
[1:17:22] see that what.
[1:17:22] >> was the.
[1:17:24] >> number 91%.
[1:17:26] 91% of.
[1:17:27] Victims are black and.
[1:17:28] Hispanic or latino.
[1:17:30] Will it automatically expire?
[1:17:31] So those are some.
[1:17:33] Questions I want to put.
[1:17:33] >> it out there.
[1:17:34] And um.
[1:17:36] Just being conscious of time.
[1:17:39] Um I we.
[1:17:40] >> can follow up on.
[1:17:40] >> that.
[1:17:41] But thank you so much.
[1:17:41] Yes sir.
[1:17:42] Thank you.
[1:17:44] >> council member maxwell you
[1:17:44] must.
[1:17:45] Suara arias.
[1:17:47] Council member anderson.
[1:17:48] I think.
[1:17:48] >> you have the.
[1:17:49] Last question.
[1:17:50] Thank you, MR. Mayor.
[1:17:51] It gets a.
[1:17:52] Little I.
[1:17:52] >> gotta get.
[1:17:53] >> used to say.
[1:17:54] MR. Mayor here.
[1:17:56] Uh, but thank you, MR. Mayor
[1:17:58] and thank you, council for a
[1:17:59] very good conversation on this
[1:18:01] topic that the safety committee
[1:18:01] has, uh, delved.
[1:18:04] Into a lot of really good
[1:18:05] questions and perspectives.
[1:18:07] One thing I will say and I want
[1:18:07] to.
[1:18:09] Thank the chief and and her
[1:18:09] team.
[1:18:10] For all of.
[1:18:11] >> the work that they've done.
[1:18:14] You know both you know, I would
[1:18:15] say you know inside the
[1:18:15] building.
[1:18:16] Doing the research.
[1:18:17] >> and collecting all of this
[1:18:20] data and information but also
[1:18:22] equally if not more importantly
[1:18:23] out on the streets.
[1:18:24] Engaging with.
[1:18:24] >> our.
[1:18:26] Youth and our residents to try
[1:18:27] to curtail some of these
[1:18:27] events.
[1:18:30] Um, one of the most important
[1:18:32] things I think we get a lot of
[1:18:32] comments around.
[1:18:36] How we'd.
[1:18:38] Like to hold some of our
[1:18:40] partners accountable for their
[1:18:42] work and their efforts in a
[1:18:43] collaborative nature, but the
[1:18:45] reality is the structure of our
[1:18:46] state and therefore the
[1:18:48] structure of our local
[1:18:49] municipal government we don't
[1:18:51] have the same um, you know, the
[1:18:51] same.
[1:18:54] Ownership or managerial rights
[1:18:55] as some other cities have.
[1:18:56] So there's a reason that
[1:18:58] there's a board of county
[1:18:58] commissioners.
[1:18:58] >> and they.
[1:18:59] Have a.
[1:18:59] Charter and a purview.
[1:19:01] There's a reason that there's a
[1:19:03] uh, cms school board and they
[1:19:03] have a charter.
[1:19:04] >> and a purview.
[1:19:06] Many of the cities that we look
[1:19:09] at especially within our size
[1:19:11] as we're growing, they have
[1:19:12] different governmental
[1:19:12] structures.
[1:19:13] Some of them.
[1:19:13] Do.
[1:19:14] >> some of them don't.
[1:19:16] We happen to not have park and
[1:19:17] recs under our purview.
[1:19:20] That should not, however, deter
[1:19:20] us.
[1:19:22] From doing all.
[1:19:25] We can within the scope of our
[1:19:26] charter and within the scope of
[1:19:27] our safety measures.
[1:19:28] >> to.
[1:19:29] Ensure that our our.
[1:19:31] Children and our residents are
[1:19:32] safe and we can encourage our
[1:19:34] partners to do as much as they
[1:19:34] can.
[1:19:38] You know, I think that, um,
[1:19:40] slide ten sort of speaks for
[1:19:42] itself and uh, right, wrong or
[1:19:44] indifferent we're saying that
[1:19:47] um, our black and brown and
[1:19:48] latino uh.
[1:19:51] Juveniles are being victimized
[1:19:52] at a higher rate.
[1:19:55] That's just that's real
[1:19:55] information.
[1:19:56] It's not anecdotal.
[1:19:58] It's real information.
[1:20:00] Um and then when we look at the
[1:20:03] the percentage of those victims
[1:20:05] that are 16 to 17 that's that's
[1:20:09] a third of all of those um
[1:20:10] points of victimization.
[1:20:13] And right there within the
[1:20:14] space and I've had lots of
[1:20:15] conversations with residents
[1:20:17] and have received a lot of
[1:20:19] information um, and spoken with
[1:20:21] folks but really within the
[1:20:23] space of 16 and 17 is really
[1:20:25] when you get in that gray area
[1:20:28] where something can really
[1:20:29] escalate off of something like
[1:20:32] a curfew violation to some type
[1:20:33] of violent interaction where
[1:20:36] then you are deemed to give
[1:20:38] that permission to the courts
[1:20:40] to decide and exercise
[1:20:40] judgment.
[1:20:42] If a 17 year old should be
[1:20:44] charged as an adult or should
[1:20:45] have the responsibility of an
[1:20:47] adult, it just goes down into a
[1:20:49] rabbit hole that I think we
[1:20:51] need to be proactive as
[1:20:52] municipal leaders about.
[1:20:55] Um we also already have a
[1:20:57] curfew ordinance so this is not
[1:20:58] something that we're creating
[1:20:59] from a greenfield perspective.
[1:21:01] There is a curfew ordinance on
[1:21:04] the books now and today 13 year
[1:21:07] olds can stay out until 11 P.M.
[1:21:08] And I love being outside.
[1:21:09] When I was a young kid and had
[1:21:11] a bicycle and want to do all
[1:21:12] that kind of stuff but you know
[1:21:17] ,it's 1045 11:00 a time for a
[1:21:19] 13 or 14 year old to play
[1:21:20] unsupervised.
[1:21:22] Um, that's really a question
[1:21:25] around are we exposing them to
[1:21:27] higher uh, moments of
[1:21:27] potential.
[1:21:29] Victimization or can we do
[1:21:31] something protective to ensure
[1:21:32] that, um.
[1:21:35] Anything we're doing as a city
[1:21:37] council would help protect them
[1:21:39] and give their parents
[1:21:39] opportunities.
[1:21:42] So in closing, you know, this
[1:21:43] is our, uh, first conversation.
[1:21:45] Of course we'll come back to
[1:21:48] council to, um, answer some of
[1:21:48] these questions.
[1:21:51] But I would also encourage
[1:21:52] council if you.
[1:21:54] Didn't see or view or
[1:21:55] participate in the public
[1:21:57] safety committee meeting, you
[1:21:58] know, go back and review
[1:21:59] several of you were there and
[1:22:01] thank you for your engagement.
[1:22:03] But this is a really important
[1:22:04] topic and it's it's I think
[1:22:05] it's going to be difficult to
[1:22:06] appease every single person.
[1:22:09] But as we've heard six youth
[1:22:12] have lost their life due to gun
[1:22:12] violence.
[1:22:14] I think that's one too many and
[1:22:17] clearly 600% too many and we
[1:22:19] have to create spaces of course
[1:22:20] in third spaces and collaborate
[1:22:21] .
[1:22:22] But really and truly the onus
[1:22:24] is on us under our charter and.
[1:22:25] >> our.
[1:22:27] Purview as a city council of
[1:22:28] charlotte, north carolina to do
[1:22:30] as much as we can to protect
[1:22:31] our young people.
[1:22:31] Thank you mayor.
[1:22:33] Thank you, council member
[1:22:34] anderson I know there are
[1:22:35] others who MAY want to make
[1:22:35] comments.
[1:22:37] We have had a chance for
[1:22:38] everyone to make one comment or
[1:22:38] ask.
[1:22:40] To have one set of comments.
[1:22:40] Or ask.
[1:22:42] >> questions and so I want to.
[1:22:43] Hold it there because I know
[1:22:44] this is going to come back to
[1:22:45] us in some form.
[1:22:47] Um, but I want to make sure
[1:22:48] that we are evenhanded.
[1:22:48] >> and how.
[1:22:50] >> we have the round of
[1:22:51] questions.
[1:22:53] Um great discussion.
[1:22:54] Important issue as council
[1:22:55] member johnson has said.
[1:22:56] Uh, chief patterson.
[1:22:57] Thank you very much.
[1:22:58] Are there.
[1:23:00] Any final comments that.
[1:23:00] >> you'd like to make?
[1:23:01] >> no, that is it.
[1:23:02] Thank you MR. Mayor.
[1:23:02] Thank you council.
[1:23:04] Thank you very much.
[1:23:05] All right.
[1:23:07] I think we're going to flex a
[1:23:07] little bit and.
[1:23:09] Skip down to the parking and
[1:23:10] sidewalk ordinance.
[1:23:12] Uh, revision uh if manager if
[1:23:14] that's okay with you, uh, and
[1:23:15] we will hold.
[1:23:17] The other item uh, until your
[1:23:20] uh, report during the session
[1:23:20] downstairs.
[1:23:22] Absolutely.
[1:23:25] >> and mayor and members of
[1:23:28] council before I turn it over
[1:23:29] to council member.
[1:23:30] Graham I.
[1:23:32] I do want to make.
[1:23:35] If we could uh if folks could
[1:23:37] please we're um we've got
[1:23:38] limited time.
[1:23:39] Please be as quiet as you can
[1:23:40] exiting and moving around.
[1:23:42] Uh, and if council would give
[1:23:43] attention to the manager.
[1:23:44] Thank you.
[1:23:44] >> mayor.
[1:23:44] Friend.
[1:23:45] Uh.
[1:23:46] >> mayor members of council
[1:23:46] before I.
[1:23:49] Turn it over to council member
[1:23:50] graham.
[1:23:50] For the.
[1:23:51] >> sidewalk parking.
[1:23:52] I do want to.
[1:23:53] >> make sure I mention one
[1:23:54] thing about the collaboration
[1:23:55] between the city, the county
[1:23:56] and the school system.
[1:23:56] Uh.
[1:23:57] >> county manager.
[1:23:59] Uh, brian is out of town and
[1:24:00] I'd hate for him to come back.
[1:24:01] And, um.
[1:24:04] Me not at least say that, uh,
[1:24:06] doctor stewart and dcm hafner
[1:24:09] have been working with cms
[1:24:11] staff as well as the county
[1:24:12] staff specifically nick walker
[1:24:13] .
[1:24:13] Who's the.
[1:24:15] >> parks and rec director for
[1:24:16] many of the questions that
[1:24:17] you've had tonight.
[1:24:18] Um.
[1:24:20] >> for us to have different
[1:24:21] schedules with different camps
[1:24:23] and things like that, it's just
[1:24:24] not a great way to operate.
[1:24:27] So uh they have been working on
[1:24:28] that for a while and.
[1:24:30] So uh, more to come with that.
[1:24:31] Thanks.
[1:24:32] >> council member gray.
[1:24:35] Thank you, MR. Mayor.
[1:24:37] Um, uh, entering community
[1:24:38] relations director terry
[1:24:41] bradshaw and the assistant city
[1:24:43] attorney presented a proposal
[1:24:44] ordinance amendment addressing
[1:24:46] sidewalk parking asking the
[1:24:47] committee to advance it to the
[1:24:49] full council because our time
[1:24:51] sensitive nature uh, MR.
[1:24:52] Bradley explained that the
[1:24:53] issue was identified through
[1:24:55] the city's um, americans with
[1:24:57] disabilities act ada program
[1:24:58] after staff recognized and
[1:25:00] operational camp conflicting
[1:25:03] language in the city code of
[1:25:05] ordinance uh the action is the
[1:25:08] council the committee rather uh
[1:25:10] made a recommendation to the
[1:25:13] full council to um amend the um
[1:25:15] the ordinance for consideration
[1:25:17] at the AUGUST 10th meeting.
[1:25:18] And so they're here to provide
[1:25:20] an overview of that uh, meeting
[1:25:22] that we had uh, with the budget
[1:25:23] and governance committee.
[1:25:26] Um, MR. Attorney, MR. Brantley.
[1:25:39] So good evening.
[1:25:39] I think.
[1:25:41] Of this, uh.
[1:25:43] Um good evening.
[1:25:43] >> um.
[1:25:44] MR. Mayor, um.
[1:25:45] Members of.
[1:25:46] >> council and.
[1:25:47] MR. Manager.
[1:25:48] Uh.
[1:25:49] >> I'm here as the interim
[1:25:51] director of community relations
[1:25:51] department and.
[1:25:52] >> the.
[1:25:52] City of.
[1:25:53] >> charlotte ada.
[1:25:53] Um.
[1:25:55] >> um, coordinator I'm here
[1:25:56] this evening just to briefly.
[1:25:57] >> give you some.
[1:25:58] Context.
[1:26:00] >> um, over the sidewalk.
[1:26:01] Obstruction that we wanted to.
[1:26:01] >> kind.
[1:26:03] Of bring to your attention.
[1:26:03] Um, the.
[1:26:05] >> parking ordinance amendment
[1:26:05] that you're about to hear.
[1:26:06] From our.
[1:26:08] >> city attorney's office, um,
[1:26:09] is.
[1:26:09] Um, an.
[1:26:10] Issue that.
[1:26:11] >> really impacts.
[1:26:12] Um.
[1:26:12] >> not just.
[1:26:13] >> just the.
[1:26:14] >> disability community.
[1:26:15] But.
[1:26:16] >> uh, pedestrians.
[1:26:17] Um.
[1:26:18] >> this is about safety.
[1:26:19] Um, as we used.
[1:26:20] Um, the.
[1:26:22] sidewalk is a path of travel.
[1:26:23] We're also looking at
[1:26:24] opportunities where.
[1:26:25] People have to step.
[1:26:26] >> off.
[1:26:26] The.
[1:26:27] Curb to.
[1:26:27] Get into.
[1:26:28] Oncoming traffic and that's a.
[1:26:29] Uh.
[1:26:30] >> a safety.
[1:26:30] Issue that.
[1:26:32] >> we want to be mindful of.
[1:26:33] Um.
[1:26:34] >> so we we.
[1:26:35] Get the complaint.
[1:26:36] Um.
[1:26:38] >> by way of it came to the.
[1:26:39] Ada program.
[1:26:41] And we met with different
[1:26:43] departments um, that um.
[1:26:45] We collaborated with with cmpd
[1:26:45] .
[1:26:46] As well as.
[1:26:48] Cdot and other agencies to
[1:26:48] kind.
[1:26:49] >> of.
[1:26:49] Talk about.
[1:26:49] What are the.
[1:26:51] Ways that we can kind of
[1:26:51] resolve.
[1:26:51] >> this.
[1:26:53] Issue that's kind of ongoing.
[1:26:56] Um, and with that, um, we came
[1:26:57] up with something that was
[1:26:57] probably.
[1:26:58] Showing some.
[1:26:59] Conflict in.
[1:27:00] Um the language in the um in
[1:27:03] the ordinance and we have our
[1:27:04] senior attorney.
[1:27:04] Lisa flowers is.
[1:27:05] >> going to.
[1:27:05] Walk us through.
[1:27:06] Uh, what.
[1:27:08] >> that language um, is and
[1:27:09] what we were recommending that
[1:27:10] it be changed to.
[1:27:10] >> so with.
[1:27:12] That, um, lisa flowers.
[1:27:20] good evening.
[1:27:21] Mayor council.
[1:27:23] Um.
[1:27:23] .
[1:27:24] Manager's office.
[1:27:24] And others.
[1:27:25] In the room.
[1:27:26] Um.
[1:27:27] >> so as.
[1:27:28] >> terry mentioned, this.
[1:27:28] Is about.
[1:27:30] >> sidewalk parking.
[1:27:30] Um.
[1:27:32] >> our current.
[1:27:33] Ordinance language.
[1:27:34] Creates some challenges.
[1:27:35] For enforcement.
[1:27:37] Clarity and.
[1:27:38] Community safety.
[1:27:41] And so.
[1:27:41] Why we're.
[1:27:41] >> here.
[1:27:42] Is the.
[1:27:45] Pgr committee was.
[1:27:47] Charged with reviewing the
[1:27:47] ordinances.
[1:27:49] And we found.
[1:27:49] That two of.
[1:27:50] >> the.
[1:27:51] Ordinances that.
[1:27:52] >> speak to sidewalk.
[1:27:53] Parking were.
[1:27:53] >> not fully.
[1:27:54] Aligned.
[1:27:57] >> and so why is this.
[1:27:58] >> a problem?
[1:27:59] Um.
[1:28:02] >> it MAY seem like a small.
[1:28:03] Nuisance but as.
[1:28:03] Terry mentioned it.
[1:28:04] Can cause.
[1:28:05] Um problems for.
[1:28:07] Our disability community.
[1:28:08] Um.
[1:28:08] Even if.
[1:28:09] >> a.
[1:28:09] Vehicle is.
[1:28:10] Partially obstructing.
[1:28:11] >> a.
[1:28:12] Sidewalk it can.
[1:28:13] create a.
[1:28:14] Complete barrier to.
[1:28:16] Someone in a wheelchair.
[1:28:19] Um, somebody pushing a, uh,
[1:28:22] stroller or someone just trying
[1:28:23] to walk down the street to.
[1:28:24] Safely.
[1:28:26] >> also sidewalks are part of
[1:28:26] our.
[1:28:28] >> right of way system.
[1:28:30] And vehicles creeping into that
[1:28:31] pedestrian.
[1:28:32] Zone sort.
[1:28:33] >> of breaks.
[1:28:34] Down the function of that
[1:28:34] pedestrian.
[1:28:35] Zone.
[1:28:41] >> the impacts.
[1:28:44] Um, is if the.
[1:28:45] Sidewalks not.
[1:28:47] >> usable then pedestrians end
[1:28:48] up in the street and this is
[1:28:49] especially.
[1:28:50] Risky for.
[1:28:52] Kids and the elderly.
[1:28:56] But then there's also broader
[1:28:57] policy.
[1:28:58] Implications sends the.
[1:28:58] Message that.
[1:28:59] >> our.
[1:29:01] Pedestrian zone secondary.
[1:29:03] We lose.
[1:29:03] >> that sense of.
[1:29:04] Neighborhood connectivity.
[1:29:07] And then as as we've already.
[1:29:07] Mentioned the.
[1:29:08] Ada compliance.
[1:29:09] Issue if.
[1:29:10] The sidewalk.
[1:29:11] >> is blocked.
[1:29:12] It's inaccessible.
[1:29:13] To individuals with
[1:29:14] disabilities.
[1:29:16] Also it damages the sidewalks.
[1:29:17] >> our sidewalks.
[1:29:17] >> are not.
[1:29:20] Made to be to handle vehicles.
[1:29:22] And so it can cause an.
[1:29:23] Increased cost to.
[1:29:24] The city.
[1:29:27] for and work time.
[1:29:30] So these are the two provisions
[1:29:30] .
[1:29:34] Groups did not go there you go
[1:29:34] .
[1:29:36] These are the two ordinance.
[1:29:39] Provisions um that address
[1:29:40] sidewalk parking.
[1:29:41] And they both.
[1:29:43] Prohibit parking on the
[1:29:43] sidewalks.
[1:29:45] >> but 114 dash.
[1:29:46] 130 has an exception.
[1:29:47] For driveways.
[1:29:50] And because they.
[1:29:50] >> don't.
[1:29:51] Align.
[1:29:53] >> uh.
[1:29:54] .
[1:29:54] That.
[1:29:55] Risks inconsistent.
[1:29:58] Enforcement and potential uh.
[1:29:59] Citation disputes.
[1:30:06] So to eliminate.
[1:30:06] >> the.
[1:30:08] Simplest way.
[1:30:08] Was just.
[1:30:09] To eliminate that.
[1:30:11] Uh.
[1:30:12] >> exception from.
[1:30:13] >> 14 dash.
[1:30:13] 130.
[1:30:16] >> this um, clarifies that.
[1:30:17] Parking is.
[1:30:18] Not allowed at all on the
[1:30:19] sidewalk.
[1:30:19] >> makes a clear just.
[1:30:21] Standard um.
[1:30:22] Makes enforcement.
[1:30:23] Easier.
[1:30:25] >> improves consistency and
[1:30:25] strengthens.
[1:30:26] >> our.
[1:30:27] Accessibility.
[1:30:30] >> so this shows.
[1:30:32] And the.
[1:30:33] Committee did vote.
[1:30:33] >> to.
[1:30:34] Send this.
[1:30:37] Uh, approve this change to send
[1:30:38] it to this full council and
[1:30:39] this.
[1:30:39] >> is.
[1:30:40] The change.
[1:30:40] Basically just.
[1:30:41] >> to eliminate.
[1:30:42] That exception.
[1:30:43] Language everything else.
[1:30:44] Stays the same.
[1:30:46] >> and 14 dash 130.
[1:30:49] And I'll take any questions.
[1:30:49] >> if anybody.
[1:30:50] Has any.
[1:30:52] Questions questions.
[1:30:55] Council member johnson or
[1:30:56] council member mayfield.
[1:30:59] Thank you mayor.
[1:31:00] .
[1:31:01] Thank you for.
[1:31:03] The presentation.
[1:31:05] So the only question I'm gonna
[1:31:06] ask for this particular example
[1:31:07] is.
[1:31:09] Delivery drivers.
[1:31:13] So ups doesn't pull into
[1:31:13] residential.
[1:31:14] Homes anymore.
[1:31:16] We have a lot of area.
[1:31:18] Where the sidewalk.
[1:31:20] Is right up on the street.
[1:31:22] They don't pull into the
[1:31:23] driveway so they pull.
[1:31:25] Literally pull up on sidewalks
[1:31:25] .
[1:31:27] In order.
[1:31:27] To not.
[1:31:30] Be in traffic because it's one
[1:31:30] way so.
[1:31:32] Whether it's ups or other some
[1:31:33] some other.
[1:31:34] Large vehicle how does this
[1:31:35] apply.
[1:31:37] To delivery.
[1:31:38] And or pickup.
[1:31:40] Services in the city?
[1:31:42] When we do a lot of we have a
[1:31:44] lot of services that do.
[1:31:44] That today.
[1:31:47] Technically that's a violation
[1:31:47] but.
[1:31:49] um, if it's if it's a.
[1:31:51] Temporary uh.
[1:31:53] Issue I don't think it would.
[1:31:55] Cause a concern.
[1:31:55] >> as much.
[1:31:57] We do have the concern of.
[1:31:57] >> it.
[1:31:59] Being on the the.
[1:32:01] Sidewalk.
[1:32:01] .
[1:32:01] But.
[1:32:04] Uh, just.
[1:32:04] >> a temporary.
[1:32:05] Measure and then.
[1:32:06] And then.
[1:32:07] >> they're delivering a.
[1:32:08] Package and leaving.
[1:32:08] >> I think.
[1:32:08] Uh.
[1:32:09] >> it'd be.
[1:32:10] Difficult to catch that.
[1:32:11] For one.
[1:32:12] But, um.
[1:32:16] So you're what I'm thinking and
[1:32:17] could please.
[1:32:18] Correct me if, um if this is
[1:32:19] accurate.
[1:32:20] .
[1:32:20] >> what you all are.
[1:32:23] Anticipating is in residential
[1:32:23] neighborhood when.
[1:32:24] >> you have people that.
[1:32:26] Are visiting or you.
[1:32:27] Have a have a.
[1:32:30] Vehicle overnight or for an
[1:32:31] extended period of.
[1:32:32] Time where they're.
[1:32:33] You got a small.
[1:32:36] Driveway that's made.
[1:32:37] >> for two vehicles but you
[1:32:37] have.
[1:32:39] Three or more vehicles so they
[1:32:40] are blocking the actual
[1:32:42] sidewalk instead of either
[1:32:44] parking on the street or in the
[1:32:45] designated driveway.
[1:32:47] That's what you're anticipating
[1:32:47] correct?
[1:32:47] Thank you.
[1:32:49] >> thank you council member
[1:32:50] mayfield council member johnson
[1:32:51] .
[1:32:53] Thank you mayor.
[1:32:54] So the purpose.
[1:32:58] >> of this is to serve
[1:32:58] individuals.
[1:33:00] Um who are and.
[1:33:00] Like have.
[1:33:02] >> mobility challenges.
[1:33:02] >> is that.
[1:33:04] The purpose of doing this.
[1:33:05] ?
[1:33:05] >> it's for everybody.
[1:33:07] >> but it did come in through.
[1:33:08] Uh a complaint.
[1:33:09] >> an ada.
[1:33:10] Complaint okay.
[1:33:11] An ada complaint.
[1:33:14] So there there's a term I was
[1:33:15] talking to a developer today
[1:33:17] and he used the term drive
[1:33:17] appearance.
[1:33:19] I think those are shorter
[1:33:20] driveways.
[1:33:21] Um.
[1:33:23] >> so I'd like.
[1:33:23] To hear from.
[1:33:25] Planning if we could.
[1:33:27] If that's.
[1:33:27] >> a thing.
[1:33:28] >> are we.
[1:33:28] Moving towards.
[1:33:29] Shorter driveways in the city
[1:33:31] if there's, um what's the.
[1:33:33] Requirement for the driveway
[1:33:33] length?
[1:33:34] Um.
[1:33:35] >> because if.
[1:33:36] >> we're allowing shorter
[1:33:38] driveways, drive aprons.
[1:33:40] This seems like the conflict.
[1:33:41] In what we're building.
[1:33:43] And what we're trying to solve
[1:33:44] .
[1:33:47] Also does this apply to defined
[1:33:47] vehicles?
[1:33:49] Does it apply to scooters.
[1:33:51] On sidewalks?
[1:33:52] It it does not.
[1:33:54] Apply to scooters on sidewalks
[1:33:55] .
[1:33:55] There's the.
[1:33:56] There's an.
[1:33:57] >> exception it's a.
[1:33:59] Well if you look at the.
[1:34:00] 251 it.
[1:34:01] Mentions in.
[1:34:03] >> 14 dash 130 um.
[1:34:04] That it.
[1:34:04] >> does not.
[1:34:06] Include um.
[1:34:09] E-bikes and.
[1:34:10] Scooters except.
[1:34:11] >> for.
[1:34:11] 14 two and.
[1:34:12] 51 does.
[1:34:13] Prohibit them.
[1:34:14] >> from parking on the
[1:34:14] sidewalks in a.
[1:34:15] Certain area.
[1:34:15] >> of.
[1:34:16] Uptown there's a.
[1:34:18] Geo fenced.
[1:34:18] Area in.
[1:34:19] Uptown where.
[1:34:19] >> they're not.
[1:34:20] Allowed on.
[1:34:20] >> the sidewalks.
[1:34:22] So my concern and I was on a
[1:34:24] call in uh, council member
[1:34:26] mitchell was mayor pro tem was
[1:34:27] on the call also and there was
[1:34:29] a developer who said well,
[1:34:30] they're inexpensive.
[1:34:31] They only have.
[1:34:31] >> one car garage.
[1:34:32] Yeah.
[1:34:34] So that's kind.
[1:34:34] Of where.
[1:34:36] Attainable housing.
[1:34:36] >> is going.
[1:34:37] Um, one call.
[1:34:39] Car garage sure.
[1:34:41] Shorter driveways.
[1:34:42] Um and so.
[1:34:43] People almost.
[1:34:44] >> need to buy the one car
[1:34:46] garage in order to be able to
[1:34:47] afford to live here.
[1:34:50] So if they're not allowed to
[1:34:52] park in their driveway I think
[1:34:53] I'd have a concerned about that
[1:34:54] .
[1:34:56] I'd rather see an exception in
[1:34:56] someone's home in their.
[1:34:58] Driveway because people have,
[1:34:59] you know.
[1:35:00] More than one car.
[1:35:01] You know you have to have more
[1:35:02] people in the house to.
[1:35:03] Afford to live here.
[1:35:03] Right?
[1:35:06] So I think we have to be
[1:35:06] careful.
[1:35:06] >> with that.
[1:35:08] I'd rather see the the
[1:35:10] exception for scooters being
[1:35:12] parked on the driveway than not
[1:35:13] being able to park.
[1:35:15] >> in your own driveway.
[1:35:16] They can still park.
[1:35:18] >> in their driveway they just.
[1:35:18] >> need.
[1:35:19] To be.
[1:35:19] Totally in.
[1:35:19] >> their driveway.
[1:35:20] What we're seeing like.
[1:35:21] >> in.
[1:35:21] This.
[1:35:21] Particular neighborhood.
[1:35:23] >> where we got the complaint.
[1:35:24] Um.
[1:35:25] >> is they.
[1:35:25] Weren't pulling.
[1:35:26] >> all the way.
[1:35:27] Into their driveway.
[1:35:27] They're just.
[1:35:28] Stopping at.
[1:35:30] >> the at the bottom where the
[1:35:31] the sidewalk is.
[1:35:32] And that.
[1:35:34] >> is an ada violation.
[1:35:35] Um uh.
[1:35:37] If if the doj.
[1:35:38] Were to come in.
[1:35:39] They would.
[1:35:39] Say that.
[1:35:41] If we're not enforcing our.
[1:35:42] Making our.
[1:35:43] Sidewalks accessible.
[1:35:44] i know there's.
[1:35:45] >> a neighborhood in the itj
[1:35:47] and they're not allowed to park
[1:35:48] for their cars to block the
[1:35:50] driveway, but it.
[1:35:50] Really is.
[1:35:51] >> problematic for the people
[1:35:52] that.
[1:35:52] Live there.
[1:35:53] So okay.
[1:35:55] Thank you.
[1:35:58] Council member MR..
[1:35:58] Harris.
[1:36:00] >> thank you.
[1:36:00] >> mayor.
[1:36:01] Uh.
[1:36:01] >>.
[1:36:01] Thank.
[1:36:02] You so much for the
[1:36:02] presentation.
[1:36:05] Um, my.
[1:36:06] Questions are aligned.
[1:36:08] With council member mayfield
[1:36:09] and council member johnson.
[1:36:10] Uh, when.
[1:36:10] >> it.
[1:36:11] Comes to.
[1:36:12] Social gatherings.
[1:36:13] Um, that folks.
[1:36:16] My host and I my concern is
[1:36:17] particularly.
[1:36:17] >> with.
[1:36:18] The the speed.
[1:36:20] Of us approving.
[1:36:22] Rezonings for a townhome.
[1:36:23] Um neighborhoods that have.
[1:36:25] And colleagues.
[1:36:26] Uh you all might remember we
[1:36:26] have.
[1:36:28] Some debate.
[1:36:29] About the.
[1:36:31] >> length of the streets and
[1:36:31] uh.
[1:36:33] You know how many emergency.
[1:36:35] Vehicles can come in and out
[1:36:37] and whether there are enough
[1:36:38] exits available for this?
[1:36:39] Um.
[1:36:40] >> and so I.
[1:36:41] Think uh.
[1:36:41] >> and.
[1:36:41] This can.
[1:36:42] >> be uh.
[1:36:43] Answered offline.
[1:36:44] Um.
[1:36:45] >> you know, it's this.
[1:36:47] Transitional uh.
[1:36:48] We have the.
[1:36:49] Mobility plan.
[1:36:49] >> and the.
[1:36:51] Sales tax that is coming.
[1:36:51] Into effect.
[1:36:53] Uh, I know we're.
[1:36:55] Trying to transition uh.
[1:36:56] Into becoming a less car
[1:36:57] dependent city.
[1:36:58] Uh.
[1:36:59] >> but as well we are making.
[1:37:00] Decisions.
[1:37:03] >> uh, vr zoning meetings where
[1:37:03] we are.
[1:37:04] Um.
[1:37:05] >> uh, embracing.
[1:37:06] High density.
[1:37:09] And and very narrow driveways
[1:37:10] and narrow streets.
[1:37:11] Um.
[1:37:12] >> while at the same.
[1:37:12] Time people.
[1:37:14] Will continue to.
[1:37:14] >> be gathering.
[1:37:17] Um and so I'm wondering if if.
[1:37:18] >> we're just.
[1:37:21] Um I'm not sure I'm just uh.
[1:37:22] I just have all those
[1:37:22] questions.
[1:37:23] To ask.
[1:37:24] >> in.
[1:37:25] Terms of like how does this
[1:37:27] relate to infrastructure to our
[1:37:27] planning?
[1:37:28] Um, as well.
[1:37:29] As is.
[1:37:30] >> this a transitional.
[1:37:32] Um, is there going.
[1:37:33] >> to be a grace period uh.
[1:37:34] If folks get.
[1:37:35] Cited um.
[1:37:36] >> if.
[1:37:36] They're in.
[1:37:37] violation of the ordinance?
[1:37:38] Um.
[1:37:39] >> just being um being
[1:37:39] conscious.
[1:37:41] About us becoming.
[1:37:42] A growing.
[1:37:44] City, uh.
[1:37:45] That is embracing.
[1:37:46] >> high.
[1:37:46] Density that.
[1:37:48] Is creating um, more narrow
[1:37:51] streets and less spaces and
[1:37:51] particularly with.
[1:37:52] The uh.
[1:37:53] General assembly.
[1:37:54] Passing that.
[1:37:55] Um or discussions.
[1:37:56] >> of a.
[1:37:57] No parking minimum.
[1:37:58] >> right.
[1:37:58] Um so I'm.
[1:37:59] Just I know.
[1:38:00] >> I'm.
[1:38:01] All over the place but I hope
[1:38:01] you.
[1:38:02] Understand where I'm headed.
[1:38:04] Yes I do do um.
[1:38:06] And it is there's.
[1:38:06] I know.
[1:38:07] >> that.
[1:38:08] There's lots of issues that go
[1:38:12] into um why somebody might be.
[1:38:14] Blocking a driveway.
[1:38:14] Um.
[1:38:15] There could be.
[1:38:16] Four different.
[1:38:17] You know, ten.
[1:38:17] Different reasons.
[1:38:18] >> with ten.
[1:38:18] Different vehicles.
[1:38:19] >> in.
[1:38:19] A neighborhood.
[1:38:20] Um.
[1:38:22] >> and but this would.
[1:38:23] Be there's a.
[1:38:25] Education period that we would
[1:38:25] be.
[1:38:27] Implementing for sure.
[1:38:29] Um, the ada team has actually
[1:38:30] already been.
[1:38:30] working on.
[1:38:32] Um, in that particular
[1:38:33] neighborhood and the.
[1:38:34] Officer who's.
[1:38:34] >> been.
[1:38:35] Involved in this.
[1:38:37] Um, has been.
[1:38:37] Educating the.
[1:38:38] >> neighborhood and.
[1:38:39] >> they've actually.
[1:38:40] Improved out there.
[1:38:41] It's just.
[1:38:42] >> been an education.
[1:38:43] Of you know, some.
[1:38:44] People are.
[1:38:45] >> just they just don't pull.
[1:38:47] Quite enough up, you know.
[1:38:47] >> and.
[1:38:49] And they have room in their
[1:38:49] driveway.
[1:38:49] They're just.
[1:38:50] Not doing it.
[1:38:52] So um it's definitely.
[1:38:53] An education piece.
[1:38:54] Thank you.
[1:38:55] >> okay we're going to.
[1:38:56] Transition to.
[1:38:57] The, uh, council chambers.
[1:38:58] I know we have at least one
[1:38:59] more question.
[1:39:00] Council member ash mayor.
[1:39:02] Thank you, MR. Harrington.
[1:39:03] Um.
[1:39:07] So this will only apply to.
[1:39:09] Sidewalks, right?
[1:39:09] We're not.
[1:39:11] >> talking about driveways.
[1:39:12] Even if the drivers are.
[1:39:14] Sure to some of my colleagues
[1:39:15] question we are just talking
[1:39:17] about specifically sidewalks.
[1:39:18] Um I.
[1:39:19] Just want.
[1:39:21] >> to highlight one of the.
[1:39:25] Things I have seen there a
[1:39:26] parent pushing a.
[1:39:27] Stroller because that happens
[1:39:28] to me quite a bit.
[1:39:29] Um.
[1:39:31] >> there are a senior walking
[1:39:32] to the.
[1:39:33] >> bus.
[1:39:34] They're having they're.
[1:39:35] Being forced.
[1:39:38] To go into the traffic because
[1:39:39] sidewalks are blocked.
[1:39:40] So this is about safe
[1:39:41] infrastructure and I have seen
[1:39:45] that uh, because if we can
[1:39:47] build sidewalks which we are
[1:39:48] continuing to invest in because
[1:39:49] this is.
[1:39:50] One of the tools that we have
[1:39:52] to address to get to vision
[1:39:53] zero.
[1:39:55] But if we have blocked
[1:39:57] sidewalks it is forcing and
[1:40:00] it's putting pedestrians at
[1:40:00] risk.
[1:40:02] So I think that's another
[1:40:03] perspective to consider.
[1:40:04] Um.
[1:40:05] Seniors.
[1:40:08] >> parents of young children,
[1:40:09] folks with disability that's
[1:40:10] all I have.
[1:40:10] Thank you.
[1:40:12] Yes.
[1:40:14] >> um um so I want to.
[1:40:15] >> make.
[1:40:16] Sure that I'm understanding
[1:40:16] this.
[1:40:16] Okay.
[1:40:20] >> so my understanding it's a
[1:40:20] driveway.
[1:40:21] And if.
[1:40:23] I pull my.
[1:40:24] Car all the way out of the
[1:40:26] driveway and I'm blocking the
[1:40:27] sidewalk, there's a part of my
[1:40:28] driveway.
[1:40:30] That that's the problem.
[1:40:31] So it is the driveway.
[1:40:33] Okay.
[1:40:33] >> all right.
[1:40:34] >> okay.
[1:40:35] And what's happening is cmpd.
[1:40:39] Wants to write a citation but
[1:40:42] we have a conflict in the and
[1:40:43] so we need to figure out how
[1:40:43] is.
[1:40:44] The conflict.
[1:40:47] Going to be eliminated so that
[1:40:49] blocking the sidewalk becomes
[1:40:50] something.
[1:40:51] That's a some.
[1:40:52] Type of citation.
[1:40:52] Okay.
[1:40:55] >> once again talking.
[1:40:58] Is great or there.
[1:41:00] Other are there any other
[1:41:02] questions from council on this
[1:41:05] point or comment anything else
[1:41:07] manager thank you.
[1:41:07] Very much.
[1:41:09] We are going to transition to
[1:41:10] council chambers.
[1:41:11] We will.
[1:41:13] Take up the uh model cities
[1:41:14] initiative grant just so folks
[1:41:16] particularly online will know
[1:41:18] uh during the manager's report
[1:41:20] there and we'll also take up
[1:41:21] the items that were deferred
[1:41:23] okay.
[1:41:43] Um.
[1:41:47] Uh.
[1:42:23] >> and
[1:42:48] um.
[1:43:12] I'm.
[1:43:32] We'll now.
[1:43:32] Call the.
[1:43:33] >> meeting to order.
[1:43:35] Good evening and thank you for
[1:43:37] joining us in this in person
[1:43:39] and those watching online for
[1:43:41] our AUGUST 10th business
[1:43:41] meeting.
[1:43:42] Charlotte city council.
[1:43:44] Now let's begin with
[1:43:45] introductions around the dais
[1:43:47] starting with the city clerk.
[1:43:49] Billy toms, deputy city.
[1:43:50] Clerk andrea leslie fight.
[1:43:51] City attorney.
[1:43:52] Good evening.
[1:43:54] At large.
[1:43:55] Good evening.
[1:43:56] I'm victoria watlington and I
[1:43:57] have the pleasure of serving.
[1:43:58] >> you.
[1:43:58] As a.
[1:43:59] >> member at large.
[1:43:59] Good evening.
[1:44:01] Joy male representing district
[1:44:01] three.
[1:44:04] Good evening and happy stellar
[1:44:06] awards week and the city of
[1:44:06] charlotte.
[1:44:07] Dante anderson, district.
[1:44:09] One marcus jones, city.
[1:44:10] Manager good evening rob
[1:44:11] harrington mayor.
[1:44:12] Good evening.
[1:44:13] Everyone james mitchell mayor
[1:44:14] pro tem.
[1:44:15] Good evening everyone.
[1:44:16] Kimberly owens.
[1:44:17] Representing district.
[1:44:19] Six malcolm graham district
[1:44:19] two.
[1:44:20] At driggs district.
[1:44:21] Seven.
[1:44:22] >> good evening.
[1:44:23] >> luana mayfield.
[1:44:24] >> council member at large.
[1:44:25] Good evening jd.
[1:44:26] Arias proudly.
[1:44:26] Representing the.
[1:44:27] >> east.
[1:44:28] Side district five.
[1:44:30] Good evening I'm renee johnson
[1:44:30] .
[1:44:30] And I'm.
[1:44:31] Honored to.
[1:44:32] >> represent district four.
[1:44:33] Thank you all.
[1:44:34] We begin our meeting with an.
[1:44:36] Invocation expression.
[1:44:38] >> of inspiration followed by
[1:44:39] the pledge of allegiance.
[1:44:41] The invocation is intended to
[1:44:43] solemnized our proceedings.
[1:44:45] We celebrate the religious
[1:44:47] diversity of our community
[1:44:48] including those without a
[1:44:49] religious faith.
[1:44:50] Tonight council member owens
[1:44:52] will give our invocation.
[1:44:52] Council member owens.
[1:44:53] thank you mayor.
[1:44:54] I will.
[1:44:55] >> start.
[1:44:55] By saying.
[1:44:57] That when we start our.
[1:44:57] Year we.
[1:44:58] >> are assigned certain.
[1:44:59] Dates and obviously.
[1:45:00] Today is my date.
[1:45:02] In anticipation of that, I
[1:45:02] reached.
[1:45:03] >> out to a variety of.
[1:45:04] Faith communities.
[1:45:05] >> who find.
[1:45:06] Home within district six.
[1:45:08] And the following was given to
[1:45:09] be given to me.
[1:45:10] Rather, biden received maggi.
[1:45:13] Jr with the name of GOD.
[1:45:15] >> the most merciful, the most
[1:45:15] compassionate.
[1:45:18] We begin by acknowledging the.
[1:45:18] One who created.
[1:45:21] Us and our diversity different
[1:45:22] backgrounds, beliefs and
[1:45:23] perspectives.
[1:45:24] Yet united.
[1:45:24] In our.
[1:45:25] >> shared responsibility.
[1:45:26] To care for one another.
[1:45:28] And to serve the public good.
[1:45:30] We pray for wisdom for.
[1:45:31] >> those.
[1:45:32] Entrusted with leadership.
[1:45:34] MAY they be guided by.
[1:45:36] Honesty over convenience.
[1:45:37] Courage over.
[1:45:39] Comfort and service.
[1:45:40] Over self-interest.
[1:45:41] Grant them.
[1:45:42] Clarity of.
[1:45:42] Mind when.
[1:45:44] Decisions are complex.
[1:45:45] Steadiness of heart.
[1:45:46] >> when pressures.
[1:45:47] Rise and.
[1:45:48] Humility to.
[1:45:49] Listen to the voices of the
[1:45:49] people.
[1:45:50] They represent.
[1:45:52] we ask that our leaders be
[1:45:54] strengthened and integrity that
[1:45:54] .
[1:45:55] Truth be spoken.
[1:45:57] Clearly, that.
[1:45:59] Justice be pursued sincerely
[1:46:00] and that policies.
[1:46:01] Reflect compassion.
[1:46:01] For the.
[1:46:03] >> vulnerable and fairness.
[1:46:03] For all.
[1:46:05] Bless this gathering with
[1:46:07] respectful dialog.
[1:46:08] Thoughtful deliberation.
[1:46:08] And a.
[1:46:09] >> commitment to.
[1:46:10] >> what uplifts.
[1:46:10] Our community.
[1:46:11] As a whole.
[1:46:12] Help us.
[1:46:13] Remember that leadership is.
[1:46:15] Not power over others but.
[1:46:17] Responsibility for their
[1:46:18] well-being.
[1:46:20] MAY our work today contribute.
[1:46:20] To a.
[1:46:21] >> future marked.
[1:46:22] By trust.
[1:46:23] Accountability and.
[1:46:24] Shared prosperity.
[1:46:26] Amen.
[1:46:26] >> amen.
[1:46:28] >> thank you, council member
[1:46:29] owens.
[1:46:29] >> let's stand.
[1:46:31] >> for the pledge of
[1:46:31] allegiance.
[1:46:34] Allegiance to the flag of the.
[1:46:37] United states of america.
[1:46:37] And to.
[1:46:40] Publicly stands one nation
[1:46:41] under GOD.
[1:46:42] ,indivisible.
[1:46:43] >>, with.
[1:46:45] >> liberty and justice for all
[1:46:45] .
[1:46:48] Oh!
[1:46:50] Yes.
[1:46:51] We have.
[1:46:53] >> one proclamation for this
[1:46:53] evening and I'll turn it over
[1:46:55] for that to council member
[1:46:55] graham.
[1:46:57] Thank you.
[1:47:00] Um, MR. Mayor, um, and I'm
[1:47:01] honored to have the opportunity
[1:47:03] to read the the city of
[1:47:07] charlotte proclamation whereas
[1:47:08] national black philanthropy
[1:47:09] month is observed annually and
[1:47:12] AUGUST to celebrate and elevate
[1:47:14] the rich tradition of
[1:47:16] generosity, volunteerism, civic
[1:47:17] engagement and charitable
[1:47:19] giving within black communities
[1:47:19] .
[1:47:21] Recognizing philanthropy as a
[1:47:23] powerful force for positive
[1:47:24] social change.
[1:47:26] And whereas the foundation for
[1:47:28] black philanthropy an affiliate
[1:47:29] of the foundation for the
[1:47:31] carolina is established to
[1:47:33] inspire charitable giving,
[1:47:35] strengthen led black
[1:47:37] organizations and advance
[1:47:39] economic mobility, educational
[1:47:42] success, health equality and
[1:47:43] the community well-being
[1:47:44] throughout the charlotte region
[1:47:44] .
[1:47:46] And whereas the foundation for
[1:47:47] black philanthropy brings
[1:47:49] together donors, community
[1:47:50] leaders, advocates, jewish
[1:47:53] political challenges and create
[1:47:53] opportunities that build
[1:47:56] stronger families, more vibrant
[1:47:57] neighborhoods and a more
[1:47:59] equitable future for our
[1:47:59] residents.
[1:48:02] And whereas in 2026 the
[1:48:03] foundation for black from
[1:48:06] atrophy awarded $25,000 in
[1:48:08] grants $5,000 each to the
[1:48:10] various organization stars math
[1:48:13] and english academy mind body
[1:48:16] baby and c strive clt mothers
[1:48:18] of america offspring and youth
[1:48:21] development initiative is
[1:48:21] dedicated to improving
[1:48:23] educational achievement,
[1:48:25] maternal and family health,
[1:48:27] youth development, violence
[1:48:28] prevention, workforce readiness
[1:48:30] and economic mobility.
[1:48:33] Whereas these grants exemplify
[1:48:34] the spirit of black
[1:48:35] philanthropy through their
[1:48:37] commitment to expanding
[1:48:39] opportunity, fostering
[1:48:40] resilience, promoting healing
[1:48:42] and creating last change across
[1:48:44] charlotte and surrounding
[1:48:44] region.
[1:48:46] Demonstrating the collective
[1:48:49] impact that strengthen our
[1:48:51] community based on solutions.
[1:48:53] Now therefore, robert e
[1:48:54] harrington, mayor of the city
[1:48:57] of charlotte do by proclaim
[1:48:59] AUGUST 2026 as black street
[1:49:01] month and encourage our
[1:49:03] residents to not only recognize
[1:49:05] and celebrate the contributions
[1:49:07] of philanthropists, nonprofit
[1:49:10] leaders, volunteers, donors and
[1:49:11] community organizations but
[1:49:13] also to participate and support
[1:49:15] their efforts that uplift
[1:49:17] communities, expand
[1:49:18] opportunities and help build a
[1:49:20] stronger, more equitable and
[1:49:21] more prosperous charlotte.
[1:49:21] >> for all.
[1:49:25] Congratulations and this is
[1:49:26] black history month.
[1:49:28] Congratulations to all.
[1:49:35] MR. Mayor, there are a number
[1:49:36] of individuals here to receive
[1:49:38] the proclamation so they would
[1:49:39] join me in front of the dias.
[1:49:40] I will hand it to them.
[1:49:54] Starting.
[1:49:58] >> with the.
[1:50:01] Um.
[1:50:01] They were.
[1:50:05] A about a month.
[1:50:05] >> it consists.
[1:50:08] Of which I believe is the word.
[1:50:19] was taken.
[1:50:24] She has come to on the way.
[1:50:26] For.
[1:50:26] >> so long.
[1:50:27] Should we move?
[1:50:29] You know.
[1:50:30] Um, okay.
[1:50:31] >> it's just so we.
[1:50:32] Know what to say.
[1:50:36] I know, I don't want to ask.
[1:50:43] You.
[1:50:49] You know I can't see that money
[1:50:51] for us to make sure we get.
[1:50:54] Her welcome and I think.
[1:51:15] Thank you, council member
[1:51:15] graham.
[1:51:16] And thanks to all who were
[1:51:17] recognized for all you do in
[1:51:19] our community and the the
[1:51:20] really important work that you
[1:51:23] do as we transition into the
[1:51:24] remainder of the uh, the
[1:51:26] meeting, I'd like to um just
[1:51:27] give a little bit of background
[1:51:27] .
[1:51:29] I'd like to thank all of you
[1:51:30] for attending on behalf of the
[1:51:31] city council.
[1:51:32] I'd like to thank all of you.
[1:51:34] I ask that audience members be
[1:51:35] civil and courteous while in
[1:51:36] the chamber.
[1:51:38] We want to ensure that everyone
[1:51:40] has a positive experience while
[1:51:41] attending tonight's meeting.
[1:51:43] And that takes us now to uh.
[1:51:44] Open uh open.
[1:51:45] Public comment on.
[1:51:47] Amendments to the charlotte
[1:51:49] city map and charlotte streets
[1:51:49] manual.
[1:51:52] MADAM Clerk, do we have any
[1:51:52] speakers?
[1:51:55] Do I have a motion to close.
[1:51:56] Public comment.
[1:51:56] So moved.
[1:52:00] And is is there a uh any
[1:52:00] question.
[1:52:01] Discussion there?
[1:52:03] All in favor?
[1:52:03] you.
[1:52:04] >> here's.
[1:52:04] A question.
[1:52:05] Thank you.
[1:52:06] >> council member johnson
[1:52:07] number.
[1:52:07] Seven right is that.
[1:52:08] >> we are number seven okay.
[1:52:10] So I wanted.
[1:52:10] >> to.
[1:52:11] To ask.
[1:52:13] Looks like we're.
[1:52:15] >> changing the manual.
[1:52:15] >> I wanted.
[1:52:16] >> to know how.
[1:52:18] Cumulative impact.
[1:52:19] Um for.
[1:52:21] >> traffic studies is going to
[1:52:21] be consider.
[1:52:24] Do we.
[1:52:26] >> have is there anybody from
[1:52:26] the city.
[1:52:27] >> to answer question.
[1:52:28] That is coming?
[1:52:28] Okay.
[1:52:30] Motion was I.
[1:52:30] >> think it.
[1:52:31] >> just looks a.
[1:52:33] Hearing and she has a question
[1:52:33] about.
[1:52:33] Community.
[1:52:40] >> good evening mayor.
[1:52:41] City council.
[1:52:42] >> my name is.
[1:52:42] Debbie smith.
[1:52:44] Before we get there let's I
[1:52:46] think we probably should take a
[1:52:48] vote on the motion to close the
[1:52:50] public comment and then move
[1:52:51] into questions from council.
[1:52:52] Okay.
[1:52:53] So let's go ahead and take a
[1:52:54] vote on the pending motion to
[1:52:55] close close public comment.
[1:52:57] Any opposed.
[1:53:00] All right so public comment is
[1:53:00] now closed.
[1:53:02] Council member johnson please
[1:53:03] proceed with the questions.
[1:53:05] Thank you.
[1:53:09] >> it's my understanding.
[1:53:10] That we're going to.
[1:53:12] Review guidelines for traffic
[1:53:13] and.
[1:53:14] Park study guidance.
[1:53:16] So I wanted to know.
[1:53:17] We talked.
[1:53:17] >> about in.
[1:53:18] >> the past looking.
[1:53:19] At cumulative.
[1:53:23] Impact or changing the
[1:53:25] guidelines for traffic impact
[1:53:25] studies.
[1:53:25] Can you.
[1:53:27] Answer or tell me if they were
[1:53:29] going to be any consideration?
[1:53:31] The cumulative impact.
[1:53:32] Uh good.
[1:53:33] Evening.
[1:53:34] >> COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.
[1:53:34] Debbie smith.
[1:53:35] >> was.
[1:53:36] Charlotte department of
[1:53:36] transportation.
[1:53:38] I appreciate the question.
[1:53:39] So as part.
[1:53:40] Of the charlotte.
[1:53:42] Streets manual that we're
[1:53:43] looking at.
[1:53:44] >> right here.
[1:53:44] We're really.
[1:53:45] Looking at um.
[1:53:46] Uh.
[1:53:47] >> the recommended.
[1:53:48] Changes that.
[1:53:49] Are illustrated.
[1:53:50] In your document.
[1:53:51] And so as.
[1:53:53] Part of this process we're
[1:53:53] really trying.
[1:53:54] >> to do.
[1:53:56] Very streamlined administrative
[1:53:56] .
[1:53:58] Changes that clean that up.
[1:53:59] Right now.
[1:54:00] Currently there is.
[1:54:01] A referral.
[1:54:04] To the transportation planning
[1:54:04] and.
[1:54:06] Development subcommittee of
[1:54:09] council to talk about um the.
[1:54:10] Question of.
[1:54:11] The cumulative.
[1:54:13] Impacts that you've talked
[1:54:13] about.
[1:54:14] >> so we will be bringing back
[1:54:14] to you some.
[1:54:15] >> more information through.
[1:54:17] That process.
[1:54:19] But right now.
[1:54:21] The number is still.
[1:54:23] 2500 trips.
[1:54:24] To trigger a.
[1:54:26] Traffic impact study.
[1:54:28] Um yes.
[1:54:28] However, I would.
[1:54:29] Say that there.
[1:54:32] Are um, more details that I
[1:54:33] would like to be able to get to
[1:54:35] because depending on the size
[1:54:35] of the.
[1:54:36] Development.
[1:54:36] >> uh.
[1:54:37] >> to be.
[1:54:38] Able to answer that.
[1:54:40] Question more thoroughly.
[1:54:41] Okay.
[1:54:42] >> so we've.
[1:54:43] Been talking.
[1:54:43] >> about.
[1:54:45] This for a while and there was
[1:54:46] a presentation from staff.
[1:54:47] That we were going to be
[1:54:48] looking at it.
[1:54:49] So are we.
[1:54:50] Revising the manual.
[1:54:52] Now and.
[1:54:53] >> then referring.
[1:54:55] This item to committee?
[1:54:57] Is this something that can be.
[1:54:58] Considered in.
[1:54:59] >> this.
[1:54:59] In this version?
[1:55:02] So in this version right now we
[1:55:02] are.
[1:55:03] Making very uh.
[1:55:05] Strategic administrative
[1:55:05] changes.
[1:55:06] >> we're not looking to change
[1:55:08] those thresholds.
[1:55:08] >> okay thank you.
[1:55:09] You're welcome.
[1:55:12] Council member mayfield.
[1:55:14] Thank you.
[1:55:15] Mayor.
[1:55:17] >> debbie, if you can.
[1:55:21] Explain the difference.
[1:55:21] Between the.
[1:55:22] >> collect the street.
[1:55:23] To a local street.
[1:55:24] Sure.
[1:55:26] >> as well as what could the
[1:55:28] impact of that be when.
[1:55:30] We keep approving development.
[1:55:31] And then there's not.
[1:55:32] Uh.
[1:55:33] >> the street.
[1:55:34] To help.
[1:55:37] Mitigate the congestion?
[1:55:38] Absolutely.
[1:55:39] >> um.
[1:55:40] >> COUNCILWOMAN Mayfield, thank
[1:55:41] you.
[1:55:42] So much for that question.
[1:55:44] And so collector streets are.
[1:55:44] Just a type.
[1:55:45] >> of.
[1:55:46] Street uh.
[1:55:47] That is a collector.
[1:55:48] So local.
[1:55:50] Streets feed into collector
[1:55:50] streets.
[1:55:51] So with.
[1:55:53] Collector streets we are able.
[1:55:54] >> to get a.
[1:55:55] ,uh.
[1:55:56] >> cross or.
[1:55:56] >> a.
[1:55:58] Roadway width that can.
[1:55:59] Accommodate things like on
[1:55:59] street.
[1:56:00] Parking or.
[1:56:01] Turn lanes.
[1:56:02] And so.
[1:56:04] >> in the classification here
[1:56:05] that we're speaking of.
[1:56:07] We are now changing.
[1:56:07] >> that.
[1:56:08] Classification to a.
[1:56:09] Local street.
[1:56:11] however any.
[1:56:12] Development that comes in.
[1:56:13] >> would.
[1:56:14] Still have to mitigate.
[1:56:14] Any impacts.
[1:56:16] Of a development if.
[1:56:16] >> a.
[1:56:17] Development were.
[1:56:17] To come.
[1:56:19] >> in on a local street.
[1:56:20] So it would still.
[1:56:21] >> be required to.
[1:56:23] Uh, address.
[1:56:24] Certain conditions.
[1:56:26] So a collector street
[1:56:27] potentially can.
[1:56:30] Have recessed parking on street
[1:56:30] a.
[1:56:32] Local street could not.
[1:56:35] It's not it's it's typically by
[1:56:36] its design.
[1:56:36] >> it.
[1:56:37] Tends to not.
[1:56:37] Have a lot.
[1:56:38] >> of that uh.
[1:56:40] A lot of those changes.
[1:56:40] We could.
[1:56:41] Still look.
[1:56:42] >> at it.
[1:56:42] >> on.
[1:56:43] A side.
[1:56:43] By site.
[1:56:44] Classification to.
[1:56:46] Determine what street impacts
[1:56:47] would need to be.
[1:56:48] So when.
[1:56:49] >> you follow up to
[1:56:50] councilmember johnson's.
[1:56:51] Risk when.
[1:56:52] You give.
[1:56:53] Her the.
[1:56:54] >> response, it will be
[1:56:54] helpful.
[1:56:55] For me to.
[1:56:56] >> have.
[1:56:56] A breakdown because.
[1:56:57] >> we just.
[1:56:58] Had a conversation.
[1:57:00] About parking on sidewalks.
[1:57:01] We're also having a
[1:57:02] conversation.
[1:57:04] Regarding shortening driveways
[1:57:04] which is an.
[1:57:05] Oxymoron in itself.
[1:57:07] But if we're talking about that
[1:57:07] a collector.
[1:57:09] Street is a street that.
[1:57:10] Actually potentially has the
[1:57:13] recessed parking because again
[1:57:13] .
[1:57:15] Crazy thought people have
[1:57:15] vehicles.
[1:57:17] They might.
[1:57:19] Decide to have a gathering.
[1:57:20] At their.
[1:57:21] Home.
[1:57:22] >> where are they.
[1:57:22] >> going to park?
[1:57:24] So what could the.
[1:57:26] Impact of this be?
[1:57:26] It would be.
[1:57:27] Helpful to know.
[1:57:29] I'd be.
[1:57:30] >> happy to follow up.
[1:57:30] Thank you.
[1:57:31] Thank you.
[1:57:33] Any other comments?
[1:57:36] COUNCILMAN Any anyone else who
[1:57:37] had a council member as mayor
[1:57:38] of first come back to you?
[1:57:38] Council member johnson.
[1:57:39] Yes.
[1:57:42] >> so um, obviously this is.
[1:57:44] Not just, uh.
[1:57:48] Simple modifications here.
[1:57:50] There are two things that um.
[1:57:52] Were key.
[1:57:53] One, it was the first.
[1:57:54] >> was the fee in lieu.
[1:57:55] So if you can talk.
[1:57:57] About just the implications
[1:57:58] when developers.
[1:57:59] Will contribute.
[1:58:00] Pay in lieu versus.
[1:58:04] Developer versus building.
[1:58:05] Uh directly.
[1:58:07] Sure.
[1:58:08] >> so so.
[1:58:09] Then I'll talk.
[1:58:10] >> about second item later.
[1:58:10] okay.
[1:58:11] >> COUNCILWOMAN Ajmera.
[1:58:12] I would.
[1:58:13] >> love to invite.
[1:58:14] Jake carpenter down.
[1:58:15] My subject.
[1:58:16] Matter expert that.
[1:58:16] >> you.
[1:58:17] All see.
[1:58:18] On your.
[1:58:19] Rezoning nights to talk about
[1:58:20] the fee in lieu.
[1:58:22] Thank you.
[1:58:24] >> thank you.
[1:58:25] >> jay carpenter with that.
[1:58:28] Um, so the fee in lieu changes
[1:58:28] .
[1:58:28] As part.
[1:58:29] Of this.
[1:58:30] >> are really.
[1:58:32] Um, administrative.
[1:58:32] >> to.
[1:58:33] Give staff.
[1:58:35] Uh, options when.
[1:58:37] Um, a development can't.
[1:58:37] >> meet.
[1:58:38] Their.
[1:58:38] Criteria that's.
[1:58:39] >> outlined in.
[1:58:40] >> this manual.
[1:58:42] So it has to do with the.
[1:58:44] Multi-modal changes and finding
[1:58:44] .
[1:58:45] Improvements to make.
[1:58:48] Within a certain area of the
[1:58:48] site.
[1:58:49] And so this.
[1:58:50] Just kind.
[1:58:50] >> of.
[1:58:51] Outlines a.
[1:58:52] >> little.
[1:58:54] More uh, what the options are
[1:58:54] for.
[1:58:55] >> fee.
[1:58:55] And move for.
[1:58:57] Multimodal mitigations.
[1:58:59] Um it's really not tied to fee
[1:59:00] and move for.
[1:59:01] >> the greater.
[1:59:03] Development process or.
[1:59:03] um for.
[1:59:06] Cip projects or things like
[1:59:06] that.
[1:59:06] It's a.
[1:59:07] Very specific.
[1:59:08] Uh, situation that.
[1:59:10] Uh is just outlined a little.
[1:59:12] Better as part of these changes
[1:59:12] .
[1:59:14] So if you can give me an
[1:59:15] example of the.
[1:59:16] So a.
[1:59:17] Development it has to.
[1:59:17] Perform a.
[1:59:19] Multimodal assessment.
[1:59:19] As part of their.
[1:59:20] Development sometimes.
[1:59:21] And they.
[1:59:23] Um they have.
[1:59:24] Options in.
[1:59:24] >> the.
[1:59:27] Manual say to upgrade uh ramps
[1:59:28] to.
[1:59:30] Satisfy ada criteria.
[1:59:31] Um but in.
[1:59:33] >> some cases uh the manual
[1:59:33] says you can.
[1:59:34] Look within.
[1:59:35] A quarter mile.
[1:59:37] Um but there's.
[1:59:38] Nothing available.
[1:59:39] Because everything's been
[1:59:39] upgraded.
[1:59:40] And there's no options.
[1:59:41] Um.
[1:59:43] So they could instead to.
[1:59:44] Satisfy their.
[1:59:46] Development requirements.
[1:59:47] Um.
[1:59:48] Do a fee.
[1:59:49] In lieu to.
[1:59:50] Say construct.
[1:59:52] Two accessible ramps so instead
[1:59:52] of.
[1:59:53] Constructing them they would.
[1:59:55] Contribute um a dollar.
[1:59:56] Amount to.
[1:59:57] >> the transportation.
[1:59:58] Program to.
[1:59:59] Satisfy their.
[2:00:00] development requirements.
[2:00:00] So when.
[2:00:04] They contribute in pay in lieu
[2:00:06] fund would those funds be used
[2:00:07] to build that?
[2:00:10] Well in this case there's
[2:00:11] nothing in the immediate
[2:00:12] vicinity.
[2:00:12] >> to build.
[2:00:13] So the.
[2:00:15] Department would be able to.
[2:00:16] Go really be a.
[2:00:17] Little outside.
[2:00:18] Of of.
[2:00:18] >> their where.
[2:00:19] >> the greatest need is.
[2:00:20] Yes.
[2:00:21] Okay that's very second.
[2:00:23] I noticed there's tier.
[2:00:24] Three parking reduction.
[2:00:26] Those were the only two major.
[2:00:27] Items I saw as.
[2:00:28] Part of the clarification.
[2:00:29] Could you speak to those.
[2:00:30] Parking reductions?
[2:00:32] Uh, so this is.
[2:00:34] Another case where uh, the.
[2:00:36] The goal.
[2:00:38] Is to kind of.
[2:00:38] Outline the.
[2:00:40] >> options a little bit better
[2:00:40] for staff.
[2:00:43] Um, there over time.
[2:00:44] There is a.
[2:00:45] Request for.
[2:00:47] Uh, parking reductions and this
[2:00:48] sort.
[2:00:48] Of just.
[2:00:49] Outlines the process.
[2:00:50] Um.
[2:00:52] So if a development uh.
[2:00:54] Requested this, the cdot.
[2:00:55] >> would work with the planning
[2:00:57] department, uh.
[2:00:58] >> and do a parking study for
[2:00:59] the.
[2:01:00] Development to see the.
[2:01:01] Various factors.
[2:01:01] >> that.
[2:01:04] Could, um, affect their parking
[2:01:05] need.
[2:01:06] And determine.
[2:01:08] If it was allowable to have a
[2:01:09] parking reduction.
[2:01:11] Um, for this specific
[2:01:13] development so you could have a
[2:01:14] multi-use development where you
[2:01:17] had multiple uses that uh,
[2:01:19] maybe had peak parking at
[2:01:20] different times so you could
[2:01:22] reduce the total parking that's
[2:01:22] needed.
[2:01:24] Uh, and this is a rare
[2:01:26] situation um, and staff has
[2:01:28] worked to work through it to
[2:01:29] this point as.
[2:01:30] Best as possible.
[2:01:31] Um, but this just gives a
[2:01:32] little more clarity to.
[2:01:32] Kind of how.
[2:01:34] To run that process.
[2:01:35] So for.
[2:01:36] >> those of you who.
[2:01:37] >> do not know tier.
[2:01:37] >> one two and.
[2:01:39] Three could you just explain
[2:01:39] that?
[2:01:42] I'm sorry explain.
[2:01:43] Tier three parking reduction.
[2:01:44] Park tier.
[2:01:45] >> three specifically.
[2:01:47] Because that's the only tier
[2:01:47] three.
[2:01:48] That's only.
[2:01:50] Parking reduction it speaks.
[2:01:51] To as.
[2:01:51] Part of this.
[2:01:55] I think the the.
[2:01:59] So the new the section 3.8.
[2:02:04] >> right sure and the the.
[2:02:05] Tier three parking is.
[2:02:08] Really it's a planning it's a
[2:02:10] level of of parking from the
[2:02:11] planning side of of the
[2:02:12] development.
[2:02:13] So it's.
[2:02:15] Um the the manual is cdot but
[2:02:17] the requirement is planning um
[2:02:20] so it's just a level of
[2:02:21] development that would um
[2:02:23] require a certain amount of
[2:02:23] parking.
[2:02:25] Okay.
[2:02:26] >> I don't have more questions
[2:02:27] but I'll follow.
[2:02:28] >> up with you later.
[2:02:28] >> that's all.
[2:02:28] >> I have.
[2:02:29] Thank you.
[2:02:30] Thank you.
[2:02:31] >> council member as mayor I'm
[2:02:32] going to come back to council
[2:02:33] member johnson.
[2:02:34] But are there any other
[2:02:36] questions or comments from.
[2:02:36] Council at this point?
[2:02:38] Council member johnson.
[2:02:40] Thank you.
[2:02:41] MR. Mayor.
[2:02:42] Um yeah.
[2:02:43] I'd like you.
[2:02:44] Guys uh, council.
[2:02:45] Member mayfield and asthma
[2:02:46] that.
[2:02:47] You asked.
[2:02:48] For staff to explain the.
[2:02:50] Impact when.
[2:02:50] >> we.
[2:02:50] Talk about.
[2:02:51] >> cumulative impact.
[2:02:52] >> um.
[2:02:53] >> uh.
[2:02:54] >> MISS Smith, can you.
[2:02:56] Can you.
[2:02:58] >> explain cumulative.
[2:03:00] Impact and the difference um,
[2:03:01] in what we're doing now.
[2:03:02] ?
[2:03:04] So COUNCILWOMAN Johnson.
[2:03:05] I think the way that I
[2:03:06] understand that question is
[2:03:07] really to talk.
[2:03:09] About what are the.
[2:03:11] Impacts when a development
[2:03:13] comes in to let's say whether
[2:03:14] it be by right.
[2:03:15] Or whether through a rezoning
[2:03:17] but to be able to talk.
[2:03:17] About the.
[2:03:18] >> traffic impacts.
[2:03:20] and I.
[2:03:20] >> would love to.
[2:03:21] Be able.
[2:03:21] >> to have.
[2:03:23] Um some time to.
[2:03:24] Be able to put together.
[2:03:25] Some information.
[2:03:25] And follow.
[2:03:26] >> up with you.
[2:03:26] And the.
[2:03:27] >> reason I ask.
[2:03:27] >> I've.
[2:03:27] Been I've.
[2:03:28] >> been.
[2:03:28] Bringing this up for at.
[2:03:30] Least probably five years or
[2:03:30] so.
[2:03:31] And why it's.
[2:03:32] Important is because.
[2:03:34] Currently if I'm correct that's
[2:03:35] .
[2:03:35] The trick the.
[2:03:36] Number to trigger a traffic
[2:03:37] impact.
[2:03:38] Study is 2500.
[2:03:39] Trips.
[2:03:40] Unless there's change.
[2:03:41] It's lower.
[2:03:42] Yes 1500.
[2:03:44] Trip 1500.
[2:03:46] 1500 or.
[2:03:49] >> trips and that's one.
[2:03:51] Petition has to have 2000 trips
[2:03:51] before we.
[2:03:53] Have a traffic impact study.
[2:03:55] But if you have three petitions
[2:03:57] next to each other and.
[2:03:58] >> they each have.
[2:03:59] A thousand mhm.
[2:04:01] There's no.
[2:04:02] Study on.
[2:04:03] >> how.
[2:04:03] Traffic is impacted.
[2:04:05] So this is.
[2:04:06] Happening all throughout the
[2:04:08] district and traffic just.
[2:04:09] Continues to.
[2:04:09] >> increase.
[2:04:11] But we are not requiring.
[2:04:12] A study.
[2:04:13] because it's not.
[2:04:14] Triggering that study.
[2:04:16] So we've talked.
[2:04:16] About it for.
[2:04:16] >> a while.
[2:04:18] So MR. Manager I think.
[2:04:18] >> this.
[2:04:19] Is important.
[2:04:21] If this could come before.
[2:04:23] Committee sooner than.
[2:04:24] Later because you.
[2:04:26] Know it's meanwhile traffic is
[2:04:27] just increasing and increasing
[2:04:29] and we're we're ignoring.
[2:04:30] This problem.
[2:04:32] So do we have an.
[2:04:34] Idea of how soon that can come
[2:04:34] to committee.
[2:04:38] It has been referred so we can
[2:04:39] make sure that this is
[2:04:39] something.
[2:04:41] That's as you just said.
[2:04:42] Um it's.
[2:04:43] >> in the queue now.
[2:04:44] Okay.
[2:04:44] >> thank you.
[2:04:46] And speaking of that I.
[2:04:48] Hope that we're looking at a
[2:04:48] referral tracker.
[2:04:50] Because I'm probably been
[2:04:51] referred.
[2:04:51] >> a while ago.
[2:04:52] Yeah.
[2:04:53] >> it's that good.
[2:04:53] Okay.
[2:04:54] >> thank you.
[2:04:56] That's all I have.
[2:04:56] Thank you.
[2:04:57] >> council member as mia has
[2:04:59] another question are there any
[2:05:00] other questions from those who
[2:05:00] have not.
[2:05:02] Spoken to the motion?
[2:05:04] Let's go.
[2:05:05] Council member watlington and
[2:05:06] then council members.
[2:05:08] Yeah my quick um I just wanted
[2:05:08] to lift up.
[2:05:09] You're right.
[2:05:11] This conversation feels like
[2:05:12] it's been going on since at
[2:05:13] least 2019.
[2:05:14] >> what is.
[2:05:14] The gap?
[2:05:20] Well.
[2:05:22] >> MR. Manager.
[2:05:22] Um.
[2:05:23] >> it is.
[2:05:25] >> in committee.
[2:05:26] It got referred to committee
[2:05:28] and we're going to put.
[2:05:29] >> it on.
[2:05:30] The top of the list of the
[2:05:30] committee.
[2:05:31] Sure.
[2:05:33] I know this isn't the first
[2:05:34] time staff has worked on it
[2:05:35] though, so I just want to
[2:05:36] understand truthfully what.
[2:05:37] >> is the.
[2:05:39] Barrier to delivering a
[2:05:40] response to this cumulative
[2:05:42] impact because if there's
[2:05:43] something real structural here
[2:05:45] or legislatively that we need
[2:05:46] to understand, I'd rather we be
[2:05:48] clear about that because as
[2:05:49] I've said, this has gone on for
[2:05:50] a very long time.
[2:05:53] So is there a is there a real
[2:05:54] structural barrier to be able
[2:05:57] to adjust such that we can have
[2:05:59] cumulative impact considered.
[2:05:59] ?
[2:06:01] >> and so.
[2:06:02] Manager say okay if I take a.
[2:06:04] Stab at that question.
[2:06:07] And so what I think uh is the
[2:06:08] opportunity that we have.
[2:06:08] Is to.
[2:06:11] >> better be able to explain,
[2:06:13] uh, the process by which we
[2:06:13] consider.
[2:06:14] All of.
[2:06:15] >> the traffic and I think
[2:06:16] over.
[2:06:17] Time we.
[2:06:17] >> have found.
[2:06:18] That, uh.
[2:06:18] Through our.
[2:06:20] >> processes and our procedures
[2:06:21] we haven't.
[2:06:23] Been explaining all.
[2:06:24] >> of the.
[2:06:25] Background information.
[2:06:25] >> that.
[2:06:26] Goes into the decision making.
[2:06:29] Uh, around that cumulative
[2:06:29] impact and.
[2:06:31] The impact of the.
[2:06:32] Developments that.
[2:06:32] >> are.
[2:06:33] Happening are.
[2:06:36] Absolutely considered in the
[2:06:37] decision making that happens.
[2:06:39] And I think being able to
[2:06:39] convey that.
[2:06:42] More clearly in a way to you.
[2:06:43] All is.
[2:06:44] Really where the.
[2:06:46] The opportunity presents itself
[2:06:46] .
[2:06:47] >> through committee.
[2:06:51] Okay.
[2:06:52] >> I look forward to hearing
[2:06:53] that in committee.
[2:06:54] So it sounds like what's in
[2:06:54] committee is not a policy
[2:06:55] question.
[2:06:55] It's a matter.
[2:06:56] >> of explanation.
[2:06:58] What what are we working on?
[2:07:00] Yeah I believe that it is
[2:07:02] really in clarity around um
[2:07:03] explaining the technical
[2:07:04] components that we have.
[2:07:06] Behind the work that we do.
[2:07:08] Uh, in a way that is very
[2:07:09] tangible and relatable.
[2:07:10] To the topics that you.
[2:07:11] All are.
[2:07:12] >> talking about.
[2:07:13] >> and then will we also
[2:07:16] understand once we understand.
[2:07:18] The explanation the.
[2:07:20] Outcome will we understand what
[2:07:21] is what's going to.
[2:07:24] Close the gap to the outcome
[2:07:25] because what we what I think I
[2:07:26] hear you say is that even
[2:07:29] though we're seeing 1500 for
[2:07:31] each petition before there's a
[2:07:32] threshold, there's some other
[2:07:33] mechanism that's looking
[2:07:34] cumulatively.
[2:07:35] Yes.
[2:07:36] >> that's the case.
[2:07:38] The outcome feels like there's
[2:07:40] still uh, an opportunity to
[2:07:41] improve our traffic and
[2:07:42] transportation.
[2:07:43] Planning because what we're
[2:07:45] seeing is overcapacity in these
[2:07:46] particular areas where we're
[2:07:47] building well, we also be
[2:07:49] getting some recommendations.
[2:07:49] >> of.
[2:07:52] What we can do to to make
[2:07:52] adjustments.
[2:07:54] There will be clarity on.
[2:07:55] The way.
[2:07:56] >> that we're presenting the
[2:07:57] information and then we will
[2:07:57] have.
[2:07:57] A a.
[2:07:59] Council conversation if there
[2:08:00] are other changes.
[2:08:01] >> that we should be making.
[2:08:02] Yeah.
[2:08:03] >> so will you be bringing back
[2:08:04] a recommendation?
[2:08:05] I'm trying to get a sense of
[2:08:06] what's gone into committee
[2:08:07] because of what we're going to
[2:08:08] get back is the explanation we
[2:08:10] MAY be able to get that is pre
[2:08:12] work before a committee
[2:08:13] discussion.
[2:08:14] Sure so we can provide we.
[2:08:15] Spent the committee discussion
[2:08:17] on the actual recommendations
[2:08:18] versus the explanation.
[2:08:19] We follow what I'm.
[2:08:19] >> saying.
[2:08:22] Yes the details.
[2:08:24] Yeah so I I'm.
[2:08:25] >> sorry no good.
[2:08:27] Okay so I think it's important
[2:08:28] I don't know if we have it
[2:08:28] before.
[2:08:29] us to.
[2:08:30] Just go.
[2:08:31] >> over the.
[2:08:32] Referral what the referral
[2:08:32] actually does.
[2:08:35] Yes to make sure that it is
[2:08:35] addressing the.
[2:08:36] Need.
[2:08:37] >> yes yeah.
[2:08:39] We'll take a.
[2:08:39] >> look at.
[2:08:40] >> that so we'll look them up
[2:08:40] okay.
[2:08:43] Okay okay okay.
[2:08:44] Does that happening right now
[2:08:46] or no because if we need to
[2:08:47] adjust the referral this would
[2:08:48] be the time.
[2:08:51] Uh I believe that the best
[2:08:52] course of action if you're
[2:08:54] asking for my recommendation is
[2:08:54] for us to take a.
[2:08:55] Look at that.
[2:08:57] And work with, um, city
[2:08:58] manager's office to make sure
[2:08:59] that we're in alignment with
[2:09:01] what you need and we can
[2:09:02] provide any of that.
[2:09:05] Pre work via, um, written
[2:09:07] information for you rather than
[2:09:08] playing it out right here today
[2:09:09] because I don't have that
[2:09:10] information with me today.
[2:09:12] So I don't know if that's a
[2:09:13] question for the clerk or
[2:09:15] before we move past this.
[2:09:16] This is the opportunity to
[2:09:19] adjust the referral to capture
[2:09:20] the need that councilmember
[2:09:21] johnson has brought up.
[2:09:23] So if no one has a referral
[2:09:24] right now, is that something
[2:09:26] that we can see before we close
[2:09:28] business today?
[2:09:29] Yes, you already have.
[2:09:29] So I.
[2:09:30] >> understand but what I'm
[2:09:30] saying is that I.
[2:09:31] Just want to reflect.
[2:09:33] Her correct questions.
[2:09:34] so yes thank you.
[2:09:36] Council member mayor.
[2:09:38] Yes.
[2:09:39] >> so since.
[2:09:39] >> we.
[2:09:39] Are talking.
[2:09:40] About feeling.
[2:09:41] Low I would.
[2:09:42] Like to.
[2:09:43] Lift up a one.
[2:09:45] Specific request that's been
[2:09:46] pending for almost a decade or
[2:09:47] longer.
[2:09:48] That's in district.
[2:09:50] Four and I know residents at
[2:09:51] this is right behind that
[2:09:51] pavilion.
[2:09:54] Um amphitheater.
[2:09:55] Where the.
[2:09:57] Neighborhood has.
[2:09:57] Lift up.
[2:09:58] That request.
[2:09:58] Because it.
[2:09:59] >> was between collector and
[2:10:00] the local street.
[2:10:02] Uh, so I would like to make.
[2:10:03] Sure and I think debbie.
[2:10:04] Your team.
[2:10:04] >> has already.
[2:10:05] Looked at that but there was
[2:10:05] no.
[2:10:06] Funding for it.
[2:10:07] But now.
[2:10:08] >> with this being new I would
[2:10:10] like us to make sure because
[2:10:11] that request has been pending
[2:10:14] for many years and the
[2:10:14] neighborhood.
[2:10:15] Has tried.
[2:10:20] Many times trying to get that
[2:10:20] request.
[2:10:21] Infrastructure request.
[2:10:23] Feel so I hope.
[2:10:24] Really with that.
[2:10:26] Okay thank you.
[2:10:27] So do you know which one I'm.
[2:10:28] Talking about.
[2:10:29] I believe I do.
[2:10:31] Yeah right behind that pavilion
[2:10:32] amphitheater councilmember
[2:10:33] johnson has been advocating for
[2:10:35] that for a while and they had
[2:10:36] reached at all.
[2:10:38] Of harris.
[2:10:40] Houston yeah harris hughes
[2:10:40] thank.
[2:10:41] You thank.
[2:10:41] >> you.
[2:10:42] .
[2:10:42] >> yes.
[2:10:45] There any further questions any
[2:10:46] further discussion from
[2:10:47] council.
[2:10:47] >> on.
[2:10:48] Item seven?
[2:10:49] Uh the motion with regard to
[2:10:50] street map.
[2:10:51] And street manual.
[2:10:52] No.
[2:10:54] >> is there a uh.
[2:10:58] Motion with regard to item
[2:11:00] seven the proposed changes that
[2:11:03] are in writing um on item seven
[2:11:04] in our um uh.
[2:11:06] Manual uh.
[2:11:06] >> book.
[2:11:08] Is there a motion?
[2:11:10] That ask.
[2:11:12] >> a clarifying.
[2:11:12] >> question.
[2:11:13] Mayor yes.
[2:11:15] Because for item seven is just
[2:11:17] receiving public comment on the
[2:11:18] amendment as well.
[2:11:19] Um, so.
[2:11:20] Yeah so that there is not an
[2:11:21] action.
[2:11:21] This is.
[2:11:21] >> just pop out.
[2:11:23] You're exactly right.
[2:11:24] And this.
[2:11:24] On my little.
[2:11:28] Notes here off so we will uh,
[2:11:29] move on to the public hearing.
[2:11:31] There are no further comments.
[2:11:33] We're now going to open the
[2:11:35] public hearing on the general
[2:11:35] obligation bond.
[2:11:37] Referendum to be set for
[2:11:38] NOVEMBER 3rd, 2026.
[2:11:40] madam clerk, are there any
[2:11:40] speakers.
[2:11:41] On speakers?
[2:11:44] So moved.
[2:11:46] Do we need a motion.
[2:11:47] >> right from the opening?
[2:11:49] Of.
[2:11:51] >> one?
[2:11:52] >> matthew okay.
[2:11:54] Matthew panic.
[2:11:54] >> do.
[2:11:54] I.
[2:11:55] Need to make.
[2:11:55] >> a motion?
[2:11:58] Yes I can.
[2:12:10] Good evening, mayor.
[2:12:11] Harrington council.
[2:12:12] Matt panic I'm with the
[2:12:13] charlotte regional business
[2:12:14] alliance.
[2:12:16] Uh, tonight I'm here to express
[2:12:18] our support for the city bonds
[2:12:18] that are before you.
[2:12:20] Um, um.
[2:12:22] >> and I'm not here to.
[2:12:23] >> speak for for one one
[2:12:24] industry or one company but
[2:12:26] really all the thousands of
[2:12:27] businesses and all the
[2:12:28] residents here um, in the city
[2:12:30] of charlotte everyone wants
[2:12:32] every resident in every
[2:12:32] neighborhood throughout the
[2:12:35] city to succeed, to have that
[2:12:36] opportunity to to better
[2:12:37] themselves advance themselves.
[2:12:39] That is the charlotte that has
[2:12:41] been the foundation for success
[2:12:42] for so many residents over the
[2:12:44] years and the charlotte that
[2:12:45] has attracted so many
[2:12:46] additional residents.
[2:12:48] Um they've come to our city
[2:12:48] over the years as well.
[2:12:50] The bonds before you tonight
[2:12:51] represent a continued.
[2:12:52] Commitment of.
[2:12:53] >> charlotte to being
[2:12:54] responsive to the needs of
[2:12:56] residents and creating a world
[2:12:58] class city for its residents.
[2:13:00] The investment in
[2:13:01] transportation, neighborhoods
[2:13:02] and affordable housing builds
[2:13:03] on prior bonds.
[2:13:04] And is.
[2:13:05] >> incredibly impactful for
[2:13:08] residents notably the $125
[2:13:09] million for affordable housing
[2:13:11] is historic in its amount and
[2:13:14] will be critical in addressing
[2:13:15] continued housing shortages
[2:13:16] facing many neighborhoods
[2:13:17] throughout.
[2:13:17] The city.
[2:13:19] The bonds essentially allow.
[2:13:20] Charlotte to keep up with the
[2:13:22] important infrastructure needs
[2:13:24] that make the city so livable
[2:13:25] connected roads, affordable
[2:13:27] housing, strong neighborhoods
[2:13:28] that's a recipe for a strong
[2:13:30] city brought together the bonds
[2:13:31] help the city keep up with the
[2:13:32] needs of residents as they live
[2:13:33] their lives.
[2:13:35] Go to work, go to school to
[2:13:36] enjoy restaurants and
[2:13:37] entertainment throughout
[2:13:37] charlotte.
[2:13:39] Simply put the bonds ensure
[2:13:41] that quality of life remains
[2:13:43] high for residents in charlotte
[2:13:43] .
[2:13:44] The alliance has long.
[2:13:46] Partnered with the city.
[2:13:47] >> and.
[2:13:48] Community leaders to shepherd
[2:13:50] the bonds to voter approval.
[2:13:51] We appreciate your foresight
[2:13:54] tonight on the bonds and your
[2:13:55] consideration going forward.
[2:13:57] Moving forward on the bonds is
[2:13:58] an important step for
[2:13:59] residents, your constituents
[2:14:01] and is a signal to them that
[2:14:03] charlotte continues to invest
[2:14:04] in meaningful ways in our
[2:14:04] community.
[2:14:06] Thank you very much.
[2:14:08] thank you, MR. Panic.
[2:14:09] Do you have a.
[2:14:11] Motion to close the public.
[2:14:12] >> hearing second okay.
[2:14:14] And a motion to adopt bond
[2:14:17] orders introduced for $280
[2:14:18] million of transportation bonds
[2:14:20] ,$20 million of neighborhood
[2:14:21] improvement.
[2:14:22] Bonds and.
[2:14:24] $125 million of house housing
[2:14:25] bonds.
[2:14:26] And adopt a.
[2:14:28] Resolution setting the general
[2:14:28] obligation bond.
[2:14:31] Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd
[2:14:32] 2026 is to.
[2:14:33] Adopt b and c.
[2:14:34] And those that you.
[2:14:36] Asked for a motion to close the
[2:14:36] hearing.
[2:14:37] >> so do we need.
[2:14:38] >> to vote on that separately?
[2:14:39] I would move to close the
[2:14:41] hearing and approve b and c.
[2:14:43] Since we've got the motion out
[2:14:44] there let's just go ahead and
[2:14:44] vote.
[2:14:46] On closing the hearing if
[2:14:47] that's okay.
[2:14:48] Thank you for that.
[2:14:50] Is there any um any discussion
[2:14:53] all in favor any opposed?
[2:14:54] All right.
[2:14:56] Let's move to the um, motion
[2:14:58] itself to adopt the bond orders
[2:15:00] uh, introduced for the $280
[2:15:01] million of transportation.
[2:15:01] Bond.
[2:15:03] >> $20 million of neighborhood
[2:15:03] improvement.
[2:15:04] Bonds.
[2:15:06] >> $125 million of housing.
[2:15:07] Bonds and to.
[2:15:08] Adopt a resolution setting the
[2:15:09] general.
[2:15:10] Obligation bond.
[2:15:12] Referendum for NOVEMBER 3rd
[2:15:13] 2026.
[2:15:14] Is there a motion so moved?
[2:15:15] so any discussion?
[2:15:16] Yes.
[2:15:18] >> council councilmember what.
[2:15:20] So on the one 6875 I must
[2:15:21] recuse myself.
[2:15:21] >> from this but.
[2:15:22] I can't.
[2:15:22] >> hear.
[2:15:24] You accusing.
[2:15:26] Okay got.
[2:15:27] >> it okay.
[2:15:28] >> are there is there any other
[2:15:28] discussion?
[2:15:30] Council member watlington has
[2:15:31] recused council member as
[2:15:31] mayor.
[2:15:32] Yes.
[2:15:33] >> uh, thanks.
[2:15:33] >> to.
[2:15:35] The business alliance for your
[2:15:37] continued support with the bond
[2:15:37] .
[2:15:41] Uh, this is $425 million in our
[2:15:42] infrastructure and we often
[2:15:44] hear during our zoning meetings
[2:15:44] .
[2:15:46] There are cities growing and
[2:15:47] our infrastructure has to keep
[2:15:47] up with it.
[2:15:49] So this is a step forward.
[2:15:50] Appreciate the.
[2:15:51] Work of the.
[2:15:51] Budget team.
[2:15:53] MR. Jones, um.
[2:15:55] For helping us.
[2:15:55] Uh.
[2:15:57] >> with capital investment.
[2:15:58] So now.
[2:16:00] Um, let's hope that we continue
[2:16:02] to deliver the projects in a
[2:16:02] record time.
[2:16:03] That's all I have.
[2:16:04] >> this is about safe.
[2:16:06] Roads and safe infrastructure.
[2:16:06] Thank you.
[2:16:07] >> thank you council members.
[2:16:08] Mayor, are there any other
[2:16:10] questions or comments.
[2:16:12] About item number eight.
[2:16:12] ?
[2:16:16] okay next question on the uh
[2:16:16] the vote.
[2:16:18] All in favor please raise your
[2:16:19] hand of the motion as outlined.
[2:16:20] Any opposed.
[2:16:23] Motion carries okay.
[2:16:26] Next on our agenda is the, uh,
[2:16:27] city manager's report in our
[2:16:28] policy section.
[2:16:34] We deferred discussion of, um,
[2:16:35] 12345 items from our consent.
[2:16:37] Agenda that were pulled.
[2:16:37] Out of the.
[2:16:38] >> consent agenda.
[2:16:38] Uh.
[2:16:40] >> would like to proceed with
[2:16:40] that.
[2:16:41] Discussion now.
[2:16:45] And that the five items were.
[2:16:46] >> 23.
[2:16:51] 36, 45, 47 and 48 and um.
[2:16:53] On 20.
[2:16:57] 23 I believe that was
[2:16:58] councilmember johnson.
[2:17:00] Yeah.
[2:17:02] >> I just wanted it pulled out.
[2:17:03] For discussion.
[2:17:05] Here more about it.
[2:17:06] >> which one?
[2:17:06] >> number 23 correct.
[2:17:08] Yes, that's the question.
[2:17:10] I just wanted.
[2:17:11] Uh pulled out.
[2:17:12] Can you give us some.
[2:17:13] Information about this project?
[2:17:14] Sure.
[2:17:16] >> um, this is a great
[2:17:17] news story.
[2:17:17] It supports.
[2:17:18] Mobility.
[2:17:19] >> accessibility and vision.
[2:17:20] Zero goals.
[2:17:21] We're going to be.
[2:17:22] Constructing new sidewalk.
[2:17:24] >> we're going to be.
[2:17:24] Closing some.
[2:17:25] >> gaps in sidewalk.
[2:17:26] Uh, building.
[2:17:28] Curb ramps and pedestrian
[2:17:29] crossings.
[2:17:30] um, and this is a.
[2:17:31] Long including along.
[2:17:32] >> an.
[2:17:33] Intersection at one of the.
[2:17:33] City's high.
[2:17:35] >> injury networks
[2:17:35] intersections.
[2:17:37] This crosses between district
[2:17:37] four and.
[2:17:39] District five.
[2:17:39] And.
[2:17:41] Um you MAY have seen.
[2:17:42] >> this on the list that.
[2:17:43] Cdot provided in your.
[2:17:44] Packet last thursday.
[2:17:45] This is.
[2:17:46] >> one of those projects that
[2:17:47] has helped them.
[2:17:47] Meet their.
[2:17:48] >> performance metric.
[2:17:49] Okay I just.
[2:17:51] >> wanted to hear more about it
[2:17:51] okay.
[2:17:52] Okay okay go ahead.
[2:17:54] Council member suara harris.
[2:17:55] Yeah thank.
[2:17:55] >> you mayor.
[2:17:56] >> I just want to.
[2:17:57] Thank staff for their work.
[2:17:58] On this.
[2:17:59] Uh deeply appreciate it.
[2:18:00] As you know, uh.
[2:18:01] >> this council one.
[2:18:02] Of this.
[2:18:03] >> council's priorities is
[2:18:04] vision zero and.
[2:18:05] Reducing, uh.
[2:18:06] Traffic fatalities.
[2:18:08] Across the city of charlotte.
[2:18:08] Um.
[2:18:09] >> and particularly with
[2:18:10] district.
[2:18:12] Five which has seen an enormous
[2:18:12] amount.
[2:18:12] Of uh.
[2:18:14] Traffic fatalities.
[2:18:15] And just deeply appreciate that
[2:18:16] this being focused.
[2:18:17] >> and invest in our.
[2:18:18] Community particularly a high
[2:18:19] injury network.
[2:18:20] So thank you all for for the
[2:18:20] work.
[2:18:21] Appreciate it.
[2:18:22] >> thank you.
[2:18:22] Thank you.
[2:18:23] Council member any other
[2:18:24] questions or comments.
[2:18:26] On item 23?
[2:18:28] Okay.
[2:18:30] Is there a motion.
[2:18:31] To approve okay.
[2:18:32] .
[2:18:33] >> second any further
[2:18:33] discussion.
[2:18:35] All right the motion is to
[2:18:37] approve the contract in the
[2:18:43] amount of 661,000
[2:18:43] $661,661,706.65 to the lowest
[2:18:45] responsive bidder responsible
[2:18:47] bidder carolina cajun concrete
[2:18:49] inc. For the W.T. Harris
[2:18:51] boulevard and greer road
[2:18:51] intersection.
[2:18:52] And sidewalk project.
[2:18:53] >> we're ripe for a vote.
[2:18:54] All in favor raise your hand.
[2:18:55] Any opposed?
[2:18:57] Motion passes.
[2:19:01] Uh, council member uh, mayfield
[2:19:04] I believe you had items 36, 45
[2:19:05] ,47 and 48.
[2:19:06] Correct.
[2:19:07] >> and please proceed with 36.
[2:19:10] Thank you, mayor harrington.
[2:19:11] So for.
[2:19:13] Item 36 which.
[2:19:14] Is a.
[2:19:14] Request to.
[2:19:15] >> approve a.
[2:19:17] Contract in the in the amount
[2:19:22] of $1,203,308.75 to the lowest
[2:19:22] responsive bidder.
[2:19:24] What I wanted why.
[2:19:25] >> I reached.
[2:19:26] Out to staff because we all
[2:19:27] know received one be it.
[2:19:29] So that's not the.
[2:19:30] Lowest responsive bidder.
[2:19:31] That's the only bidder.
[2:19:32] so the.
[2:19:35] First question that I asked was
[2:19:38] one why did I go back out for
[2:19:39] an additional be it.
[2:19:40] What we.
[2:19:44] >> have in here in our language
[2:19:44] is that.
[2:19:49] Initially no it's well
[2:19:49] received.
[2:19:51] So the question that I asked is
[2:19:54] what was in our language and
[2:19:54] did we do.
[2:19:56] An inquiry.
[2:19:57] To try.
[2:19:57] >> to.
[2:19:58] Identify why.
[2:19:59] There was.
[2:20:01] No bid on initially and when.
[2:20:02] We sent it out.
[2:20:05] For a re-issue.
[2:20:08] >> on in JULY only one bid was
[2:20:08] received then.
[2:20:10] Yes ma'am.
[2:20:11] Um excuse.
[2:20:12] Me stormwater.
[2:20:13] Did reach out to some.
[2:20:14] Contractors that.
[2:20:15] Frequently bid on.
[2:20:16] Stormwater projects.
[2:20:17] Um, to ask those same kinds of
[2:20:19] questions that you just asked.
[2:20:20] .
[2:20:20] And this.
[2:20:21] Project um.
[2:20:23] ,requires the protection of.
[2:20:24] >> the fish habitat.
[2:20:25] Through construction.
[2:20:27] And so because of that it
[2:20:29] requires some specialized work.
[2:20:29] You have.
[2:20:29] To maintain.
[2:20:31] Water levels at um.
[2:20:32] A certain height.
[2:20:33] >> to.
[2:20:34] To keep oxygen for.
[2:20:34] >> the fish.
[2:20:36] And so because of that there
[2:20:36] are.
[2:20:37] Few contractors.
[2:20:39] That um.
[2:20:41] are interested in performing
[2:20:42] the working that can perform.
[2:20:42] The work.
[2:20:44] The the other reason.
[2:20:44] >> that.
[2:20:45] Staff that uh perhaps.
[2:20:46] >> it didn't receive.
[2:20:47] Any bids is.
[2:20:47] >> because.
[2:20:48] There's an abundance.
[2:20:48] Of work.
[2:20:49] >> available right now.
[2:20:49] >> and.
[2:20:50] So this specialized work.
[2:20:51] >> is a little bit.
[2:20:51] Less attractive.
[2:20:53] And that was just a
[2:20:55] clarification that I wanted
[2:20:57] whereas we're having to
[2:20:59] transition based off of federal
[2:21:01] and state language when we're
[2:21:03] putting out bids making sure.
[2:21:06] That we're creating as many
[2:21:07] opportunities as possible.
[2:21:10] But yet because this needing a
[2:21:13] specific skill set because of
[2:21:16] the fish aquariums safety.
[2:21:17] Measures that.
[2:21:19] >> needed to happen as one.
[2:21:19] >> did.
[2:21:20] For us to be able to identify
[2:21:23] that move to approve and be.
[2:21:24] Second any further.
[2:21:26] Discussion all in.
[2:21:29] Favor of approving a and b and
[2:21:30] item agenda item.
[2:21:31] 36 please.
[2:21:31] >> raise your hand.
[2:21:33] .
[2:21:33] >> any opposed?
[2:21:34] All right.
[2:21:35] Motion passes.
[2:21:39] Uh, council member we have 45.
[2:21:48] Actually my question is for 46.
[2:21:50] So for 45 moved to adopt a
[2:21:51] resolution authorizing.
[2:21:52] >> the refiner property.
[2:21:55] Tax assessor to declare or
[2:21:57] assessment errors in the amount
[2:21:59] of $8,030.50.
[2:22:02] so question about 40.
[2:22:03] That just.
[2:22:03] Moved to approve.
[2:22:04] >> it second.
[2:22:06] Second um any further questions
[2:22:06] ?
[2:22:06] All right.
[2:22:08] All in favor raise your hand.
[2:22:09] Any opposed?
[2:22:12] All right so 46 carries.
[2:22:14] Himself I'm sorry mayor, just.
[2:22:15] >> to clarify I believe.
[2:22:16] 46 was.
[2:22:19] Approved in room 267 okay.
[2:22:19] And it.
[2:22:20] >> was.
[2:22:21] 45 that was pulled.
[2:22:23] It's what.
[2:22:23] >> I thought.
[2:22:24] So I think.
[2:22:25] 45 is the.
[2:22:25] >> one we.
[2:22:25] Either need.
[2:22:27] Questions or a motion.
[2:22:29] >> and then 47 yes ma'am.
[2:22:31] So 45 are we.
[2:22:32] >> set.
[2:22:33] And then 47 was.
[2:22:34] >> what we so.
[2:22:35] >> we're good on 45.
[2:22:35] >> oh.
[2:22:36] Yes in.
[2:22:37] 47 I need.
[2:22:39] >> to vote on so 46 is not.
[2:22:40] We voted.
[2:22:41] >> on.
[2:22:44] 25 we voted on 4547.
[2:22:45] >> is the 47.
[2:22:45] Is missing.
[2:22:46] Right now.
[2:22:47] >> but okay 47.
[2:22:49] Yes thank.
[2:22:51] You ma'am it's at 47 is the one
[2:22:51] I.
[2:22:52] Ask for.
[2:22:54] Discussion so I.
[2:22:56] Wanted to clarify.
[2:22:58] This is a.
[2:23:01] Me request for.
[2:23:04] You know my.
[2:23:06] numbers are okay.
[2:23:09] My apologies mary ten.
[2:23:11] Uh right here.
[2:23:14] I've had is doing something a
[2:23:16] little interesting over here.
[2:23:19] So item 46 which we just
[2:23:22] approve it was asking staff to
[2:23:22] give give.
[2:23:24] Us another column because the
[2:23:26] columns that was initially
[2:23:28] presented just had the net levy
[2:23:29] levied uncollected amount.
[2:23:31] In 3% that was collected.
[2:23:33] I wanted us to have an
[2:23:34] additional column with.
[2:23:34] >> the.
[2:23:36] Total amount that's been
[2:23:37] collected up to date to just.
[2:23:39] Clarify those numbers.
[2:23:41] So for the minutes that's why I
[2:23:44] had pull item number 46 to make
[2:23:44] sure that we have.
[2:23:45] >> an.
[2:23:47] Opportunity to have the full
[2:23:47] clarification.
[2:23:49] But we did just pull that item.
[2:23:55] For item 47 which I asked to be
[2:23:55] pulled.
[2:23:57] Is that in the public hearing
[2:23:57] on.
[2:23:58] The jefferson.
[2:23:59] First union.
[2:24:02] Tower district landmark, the
[2:24:04] specific question that I asked
[2:24:09] for staff was what is the true.
[2:24:10] Impact of.
[2:24:12] Deferred taxes.
[2:24:15] If this is approved as well as
[2:24:15] when we.
[2:24:18] Take into consideration the
[2:24:21] state is having discussions on
[2:24:22] limiting access taxing.
[2:24:25] Authority in the future and
[2:24:26] staff was going to check into
[2:24:28] that because based on this
[2:24:28] language.
[2:24:30] If we were to move forward
[2:24:31] based on the current value, the
[2:24:31] .
[2:24:32] Potential amount.
[2:24:35] of deferred taxes would
[2:24:38] approximately be $124,525 for
[2:24:41] the city, $5,440.
[2:24:46] For the special district,
[2:24:46] $17,595.
[2:24:47] For special district.
[2:24:52] Three, 209,000 and $397.50.
[2:24:52] >> for.
[2:24:53] Mecklenburg county.
[2:24:54] .
[2:24:55] >> so that.
[2:24:56] Looking at the.
[2:24:57] Estimate is based on the.
[2:24:58] County's current.
[2:25:00] Appraised value.
[2:25:01] Uh.
[2:25:03] This property.
[2:25:05] However.
[2:25:07] >> given the APRIL 23rd.
[2:25:10] 2026 sale of the.
[2:25:14] Property which was worth
[2:25:16] 36,500,000 the upcoming 2027
[2:25:16] county.
[2:25:17] >> wide property.
[2:25:18] Reevaluation the potential
[2:25:19] amount of.
[2:25:21] >> the variable taxes is likely
[2:25:21] to.
[2:25:22] Decrease.
[2:25:24] >> but this is a collective.
[2:25:25] Conversation of how.
[2:25:26] >> many properties and when
[2:25:27] we're.
[2:25:27] Having challenges.
[2:25:30] Identify.
[2:25:35] Seeing the growth of our
[2:25:36] property tax.
[2:25:38] Base and that is our main.
[2:25:39] Source of income.
[2:25:40] >> I wanted to.
[2:25:44] Understand what potentially.
[2:25:45] >> is the impact.
[2:25:47] Yes ma'am.
[2:25:48] And so each.
[2:25:49] >> of these historic.
[2:25:50] Landmark designations.
[2:25:50] Is really.
[2:25:51] >> a case by.
[2:25:52] >> case basis.
[2:25:53] >> you know.
[2:25:54] the balance.
[2:25:56] >> of preservation.
[2:25:56] And revenue.
[2:25:58] Generation and in this.
[2:25:59] Instance at.
[2:25:59] >> the.
[2:26:01] Jefferson first union tower, um
[2:26:01] .
[2:26:03] It actually is going to.
[2:26:04] Be beneficial because the.
[2:26:06] Historic landmark designation.
[2:26:07] Is part of a.
[2:26:08] Redevelopment package.
[2:26:09] It's just one piece.
[2:26:10] Of the puzzle.
[2:26:11] This is a.
[2:26:12] >> tower that has been.
[2:26:13] Largely vacant.
[2:26:14] >> since.
[2:26:15] 2023 and up for sale.
[2:26:16] So there.
[2:26:16] Have not.
[2:26:17] >> been.
[2:26:18] Tenants in it.
[2:26:19] And so through this
[2:26:20] redevelopment.
[2:26:21] The office tower.
[2:26:21] Will be.
[2:26:23] >> converted into.
[2:26:24] Housing units.
[2:26:25] A hotel and.
[2:26:26] Office space.
[2:26:29] With retail across the street
[2:26:29] from it.
[2:26:31] And so the historic.
[2:26:33] Landmark designation.
[2:26:34] And the um.
[2:26:35] Property tax.
[2:26:36] Abatement is only for.
[2:26:37] One of.
[2:26:38] >> the.
[2:26:38] Five acres of.
[2:26:39] The redevelopment.
[2:26:41] So this redevelopment will
[2:26:42] generate additional property
[2:26:43] tax.
[2:26:43] >> revenue for us.
[2:26:44] Despite the designation.
[2:26:46] So the additional.
[2:26:48] Information will be helpful for
[2:26:49] me since what we.
[2:26:51] Are doing is setting the.
[2:26:52] Public hearing for SEPTEMBER
[2:26:55] 28th is between now and then.
[2:26:58] It will.
[2:27:01] >> be helpful to know what the
[2:27:03] language is in the contract of
[2:27:05] what is going to be preserved
[2:27:09] as historic because council has
[2:27:09] already.
[2:27:14] Been a part of media concerns
[2:27:15] and community.
[2:27:18] Concerns on a building that was
[2:27:18] designated as historic.
[2:27:22] The building was so the
[2:27:23] building was sold again
[2:27:24] somewhere.
[2:27:25] In those conversations.
[2:27:29] Made there was demolition.
[2:27:33] That challenge the history that
[2:27:33] .
[2:27:37] I believe council members
[2:27:38] thought they were preserving in
[2:27:42] their vote and we do not have
[2:27:45] language that protects us and
[2:27:45] say the.
[2:27:46] Moment you destroy.
[2:27:49] What was identified as historic
[2:27:49] .
[2:27:50] You're going.
[2:27:51] >> back on the.
[2:27:52] Tax rolls.
[2:27:52] I don't.
[2:27:53] >> think we've ever had a
[2:27:55] conversation where we ever go
[2:27:56] back and look and see if
[2:27:57] something was designated as
[2:27:58] historic.
[2:27:59] A district.
[2:28:01] Or an historic building where
[2:28:02] they had.
[2:28:03] Deferred taxes.
[2:28:05] And then if somebody came along
[2:28:08] and demolished what was
[2:28:08] historic.
[2:28:10] Will we go back and find out?
[2:28:11] Okay, now you're back on the
[2:28:12] tax roll and was that impact
[2:28:14] going to be so because we had
[2:28:16] an incident earlier.
[2:28:18] in the year where.
[2:28:18] >> a.
[2:28:20] Building that was thought to be
[2:28:22] a historic building had some
[2:28:25] major demolition happening to
[2:28:27] it, it would be helpful to know
[2:28:28] exactly what is the language
[2:28:30] that protects and what is the
[2:28:31] clawback if you.
[2:28:32] Destroy what.
[2:28:32] >> we are.
[2:28:33] >> trying to preserve?
[2:28:34] Yes ma'am.
[2:28:34] Thank you.
[2:28:37] >> any further discussion?
[2:28:38] Council member as mayor?
[2:28:39] Yeah.
[2:28:40] >> the council.
[2:28:40] >> member.
[2:28:41] Mayfield raises a good point of
[2:28:42] .
[2:28:42] Uh.
[2:28:43] >> following following through.
[2:28:46] So I do see we have um.
[2:28:48] Stuart here, MR. Gray here from
[2:28:49] the historic landmark
[2:28:50] commission department.
[2:28:51] Um.
[2:28:52] Could you.
[2:28:53] >> speak to is there any.
[2:28:54] >> sort.
[2:28:55] Of enforcement.
[2:28:55] Uh.
[2:28:57] >> once the property.
[2:28:58] Has been designated.
[2:28:59] As a.
[2:29:00] >> historic landmark and if it.
[2:29:04] Gets demolished, what are the
[2:29:05] implications?
[2:29:07] Uh, yes.
[2:29:07] Thank you.
[2:29:09] >> what happens to the property
[2:29:09] tax that.
[2:29:10] Was been deferred?
[2:29:12] My name is stuart gray.
[2:29:13] I'm the.
[2:29:14] >> director of the historic
[2:29:14] landmarks.
[2:29:15] Department with.
[2:29:16] >> mecklenburg county.
[2:29:16] and we.
[2:29:17] Served the city of.
[2:29:18] Charlotte for.
[2:29:18] Your.
[2:29:20] >> uh, preservation needs for
[2:29:21] historic individually.
[2:29:23] Designated historic properties
[2:29:23] .
[2:29:24] State law.
[2:29:26] Dictates everything we do.
[2:29:27] State law indicates.
[2:29:28] >> and thank you, uh.
[2:29:30] Council member.
[2:29:31] Mayfield for the questions.
[2:29:32] Uh, state.
[2:29:34] Law, uh, does anticipate what
[2:29:34] happens.
[2:29:35] >> if.
[2:29:36] Something is torn down.
[2:29:37] And.
[2:29:37] >> uh.
[2:29:38] >> there is a clawback.
[2:29:39] For three years.
[2:29:41] Of the.
[2:29:42] Deferred taxes.
[2:29:43] If a property.
[2:29:44] Is I'm.
[2:29:46] Sorry I said torn down,
[2:29:47] demolished.
[2:29:47] Um.
[2:29:50] >> that if we're talking about
[2:29:50] .
[2:29:51] >> the.
[2:29:52] Excelsior club.
[2:29:54] That's not the one I was
[2:29:54] thinking okay.
[2:29:55] Oh I'm sorry.
[2:29:56] Um.
[2:29:59] For example, that property was
[2:30:00] torn down.
[2:30:00] Um.
[2:30:02] >> um, and it's an exception.
[2:30:03] >> but if.
[2:30:04] >> you weren't talking about.
[2:30:04] >> that one.
[2:30:05] Um, whatever.
[2:30:05] Property that.
[2:30:06] >> was torn down.
[2:30:10] They are.
[2:30:12] The landmark designation
[2:30:12] removed.
[2:30:13] The tax.
[2:30:13] Office reaches.
[2:30:14] Back to them.
[2:30:15] And.
[2:30:16] >> um.
[2:30:16] >> sends them a.
[2:30:17] Bill for the.
[2:30:19] Tax deferral for the past three
[2:30:19] years.
[2:30:21] And again, that's not a.
[2:30:22] Program or.
[2:30:23] Not a um.
[2:30:24] Policy that we.
[2:30:25] Or charlotte.
[2:30:26] Have put.
[2:30:27] >> in that's just written.
[2:30:27] >> into.
[2:30:28] The state law.
[2:30:30] Thank thank you, MR..
[2:30:30] Great.
[2:30:33] Um, we appreciate the work that
[2:30:34] you do.
[2:30:34] Well well.
[2:30:35] Well thank you.
[2:30:36] That's all.
[2:30:37] >> I have.
[2:30:38] >> is any other questions
[2:30:39] councilmember mayfield.
[2:30:40] Thank you mayor.
[2:30:41] >> so just follow up.
[2:30:42] If it is.
[2:30:45] Not a demolition if.
[2:30:46] >> it.
[2:30:48] Is a partial removal.
[2:30:52] Um or if it is presented during
[2:30:54] the redevelopment as we
[2:30:57] reimagine space but this facade
[2:30:57] .
[2:31:01] Anything within I don't care if
[2:31:04] it's a flat if it's if that is
[2:31:04] what helped it.
[2:31:07] We see the historic designation
[2:31:08] and that is removed.
[2:31:11] Now that is a different
[2:31:12] conversation to me than a
[2:31:14] demolition because that is what
[2:31:15] we're trying.
[2:31:16] >> to preserve.
[2:31:18] So if that preservation doesn't
[2:31:21] happen I and if it is there
[2:31:23] please just send me what the
[2:31:25] statue is at some point from
[2:31:27] where that is protected I
[2:31:29] believe we as you mentioned we
[2:31:32] have language for a demolition
[2:31:35] yet I have not seen the
[2:31:35] language.
[2:31:38] That protects um something.
[2:31:39] Used to have.
[2:31:40] A name.
[2:31:43] That was identified if a piece
[2:31:44] of that that.
[2:31:45] If the main.
[2:31:46] Piece that helped to warrant
[2:31:48] the historic designation is the
[2:31:49] piece that is removed knowing.
[2:31:53] The reimagining or redesigning
[2:31:58] and that's identified what is
[2:31:59] the clawbacks that's the
[2:32:00] language that I want to.
[2:32:04] Clarify and the excelsior club
[2:32:06] is that the building that I
[2:32:08] have in my mind in my mind but
[2:32:11] we have received emails on a
[2:32:13] building near uptown where
[2:32:14] there was a lot of.
[2:32:17] Thought of what the designation
[2:32:19] was on it and.
[2:32:21] The will.
[2:32:22] The resale.
[2:32:24] From multiple.
[2:32:27] Entities somewhere along the
[2:32:27] line.
[2:32:29] What is being built is not
[2:32:32] under the understanding of what
[2:32:33] is designation was.
[2:32:35] So I just want.
[2:32:36] To make sure we have the
[2:32:37] language to protect the few
[2:32:38] resources that we have left in.
[2:32:40] Our city that.
[2:32:41] Help tell the.
[2:32:41] Story of charlotte.
[2:32:42] I'll be.
[2:32:43] Happy to get you.
[2:32:44] >> that information and have a.
[2:32:45] Discussion if issues.
[2:32:46] Thank you.
[2:32:47] >> any further discussion?
[2:32:50] there were a motion to uh uh
[2:32:51] approval.
[2:32:52] To adopt.
[2:32:52] >> the.
[2:32:53] Resolution setting the public
[2:32:53] hearing for.
[2:32:54] SEPTEMBER 28th.
[2:32:56] >> any further discussion?
[2:32:57] All in favor raise your hand.
[2:32:58] Any opposed?
[2:32:59] Motion carries.
[2:33:01] And finally.
[2:33:02] You're mayor.
[2:33:03] Yes 45.
[2:33:05] Before we proceed.
[2:33:07] Item 45.
[2:33:10] Um, I believe we read the
[2:33:11] language.
[2:33:12] 4646 and.
[2:33:13] >> so if we.
[2:33:13] >> could just.
[2:33:14] Have a.
[2:33:14] >> motion for.
[2:33:15] >> item 45.
[2:33:17] That encompasses.
[2:33:18] Or includes the language under.
[2:33:20] Section a and b okay.
[2:33:23] Is there a motion um to approve
[2:33:26] item 45 a and b as set forth in
[2:33:27] to.
[2:33:27] Approve a and b.
[2:33:31] Any further discussion on paper
[2:33:33] raise your hand any opposed
[2:33:34] okay.
[2:33:36] Are there any other items MADAM
[2:33:36] City attorney.
[2:33:37] That we're missing?
[2:33:39] >> MR. Mayor you can do so.
[2:33:40] >> we have now approved all of
[2:33:41] the items on the consent agenda
[2:33:42] including those that were
[2:33:43] pulled out.
[2:33:44] I'm sorry number 4848.
[2:33:45] Pulled out.
[2:33:47] There's 48 still out there.
[2:33:48] Um.
[2:33:48] All right.
[2:33:49] And that was me.
[2:33:51] Council member mayfield.
[2:33:55] Thank you mayor.
[2:33:58] same question as the last.
[2:33:59] This is to set a public
[2:33:59] hearing.
[2:34:00] >> on the.
[2:34:05] Excuse me, little mcnair chiles
[2:34:06] historic landmark.
[2:34:07] What we've.
[2:34:09] >> identified is based on the
[2:34:10] current value, the potential
[2:34:11] amount of deferral.
[2:34:13] The taxes will be approximately
[2:34:13] .
[2:34:18] $5,104 for the city, 9175 for.
[2:34:18] >> the.
[2:34:21] County plus an additional two
[2:34:22] 3837 for a.
[2:34:23] Special district.
[2:34:25] One taxes again.
[2:34:27] Bringing that information.
[2:34:30] Back as well as a snapshot of
[2:34:32] what is the totality of.
[2:34:35] Deferred taxes do we have in
[2:34:37] the city right now?
[2:34:38] Because I think it would be
[2:34:40] helpful for us to actually one.
[2:34:42] Stop running a tab to keep
[2:34:45] track, uh, where we're not
[2:34:45] receiving.
[2:34:48] Taxes and if that's creating a.
[2:34:49] Shortfall for us.
[2:34:52] Yet, I will move.
[2:34:54] To approve the to adopt the
[2:34:55] resolution setting the public
[2:34:57] hearing for SEPTEMBER 28th.
[2:34:58] Second.
[2:35:00] >> any further discussion?
[2:35:01] All in favor?
[2:35:01] Aye.
[2:35:03] Any opposed?
[2:35:04] Motion carries.
[2:35:05] I think we are.
[2:35:06] Now finished.
[2:35:07] >> with the items that were on
[2:35:07] the consent agenda.
[2:35:08] Correct.
[2:35:08] All right.
[2:35:09] >> okay.
[2:35:10] That takes us to.
[2:35:11] The.
[2:35:13] >> uh, city manager's.
[2:35:15] report and in the city
[2:35:16] manager's report in the policy
[2:35:19] section we had postponed
[2:35:20] earlier discussion of model
[2:35:21] cities and.
[2:35:22] MR. Mayor.
[2:35:23] If few would.
[2:35:25] Be uh.
[2:35:26] Thank you mayor members of
[2:35:28] council uh, as the mayor just.
[2:35:29] Mentioned.
[2:35:30] >> we postpone.
[2:35:32] This and uh, at this time I'd
[2:35:34] like to defer to.
[2:35:35] >> the.
[2:35:35] Chair of the.
[2:35:36] Public safety committee to
[2:35:37] introduce.
[2:35:37] The model cities grant.
[2:35:40] Thank you, city manager.
[2:35:41] Uh, this.
[2:35:43] Particular topic was referred
[2:35:43] to.
[2:35:43] Well.
[2:35:45] >> this this.
[2:35:46] Particular topic it was
[2:35:47] actually something that.
[2:35:50] That arose um, at the federal
[2:35:52] government level over the last
[2:35:53] couple of months.
[2:35:56] It's an opportunity for cities
[2:35:58] all throughout the country to
[2:36:01] potentially apply for a grant
[2:36:03] that is multifaceted.
[2:36:05] But um, the umbrella of the
[2:36:08] focus is on safety but it's
[2:36:10] through the the entire
[2:36:11] ecosystem of safety.
[2:36:13] So not only.
[2:36:15] Um you are thank you.
[2:36:19] For not only policing but also
[2:36:21] behavioral health and youth
[2:36:23] opportunities um, as well as as
[2:36:27] other opportunities around um
[2:36:28] reintroduction back into
[2:36:30] society after um being
[2:36:32] interface with the judicial
[2:36:33] system.
[2:36:35] And so the chief and her team
[2:36:38] have put together uh uh, myriad
[2:36:40] of subject matter experts to
[2:36:41] work on this effort.
[2:36:44] I was one that worked on this
[2:36:46] effort um, over the summer as
[2:36:50] well as um as a as well as
[2:36:53] assistant city manager or
[2:36:55] deputy city manager sean heath
[2:36:56] .
[2:36:58] And we provided an update in
[2:37:00] the public safety committee for
[2:37:01] full transparency around what
[2:37:02] is before us.
[2:37:04] I'm going to let the chief in
[2:37:07] and her excellent staff walk
[2:37:07] you through it.
[2:37:09] But I'll just preface the
[2:37:11] conversation by saying this is
[2:37:14] an opportunity to apply for a
[2:37:15] grant.
[2:37:17] Um we are.
[2:37:18] Nowhere near the finish line
[2:37:21] here where we're at step maybe
[2:37:24] 1.5 or 2 as it relates to a ten
[2:37:28] point uh, step process of even
[2:37:30] being chosen as one of the
[2:37:31] final cities and accepting a
[2:37:32] grant.
[2:37:34] So lots and lots of steps
[2:37:37] before we get to any decision
[2:37:39] criteria with that I'm going to
[2:37:39] hand it over to the chief.
[2:37:40] Thank you chief.
[2:37:42] Thank you council member
[2:37:43] anderson and.
[2:37:44] Hello again.
[2:37:45] To mayor and council.
[2:37:46] My name is estella patterson.
[2:37:47] Chief of.
[2:37:48] >> police for the charlotte
[2:37:48] police department.
[2:37:50] And with me today is my
[2:37:51] business services bureau.
[2:37:52] >> team lead.
[2:37:52] Kelly.
[2:37:53] >> hi foster.
[2:37:54] And both.
[2:37:55] >> of us are here today to seek
[2:37:57] your support to take the
[2:37:59] initial step for applying for a
[2:38:01] department of justice model.
[2:38:01] cities initiatives.
[2:38:03] Grant that we.
[2:38:04] >> believe will greatly.
[2:38:05] Support crime reduction.
[2:38:07] Victim recovery services, youth
[2:38:07] .
[2:38:08] Crime reduction.
[2:38:09] Services and.
[2:38:11] Behavioral health care in
[2:38:12] charlotte mecklenburg.
[2:38:14] As you are all aware.
[2:38:15] Reduce violent.
[2:38:16] Crime is one of my.
[2:38:17] Key priorities.
[2:38:17] >> and.
[2:38:17] Top priorities.
[2:38:19] But in order to do so and to
[2:38:21] sustain reductions we have to
[2:38:22] have a.
[2:38:22] Strategy of course that
[2:38:23] incorporates many.
[2:38:25] Pieces and many partners.
[2:38:25] So the.
[2:38:26] Model cities.
[2:38:27] Initiative grant.
[2:38:27] Dollars that.
[2:38:29] >> we are seeking emphasizes.
[2:38:30] A whole.
[2:38:30] >> of.
[2:38:32] City, whole of county or whole
[2:38:33] of system approach.
[2:38:33] It's not.
[2:38:35] >> just a crime fighting.
[2:38:36] Tool and.
[2:38:36] >> it is.
[2:38:36] Something that.
[2:38:38] I believe will make our city
[2:38:39] and our county safer.
[2:38:41] What we are proposing to do
[2:38:41] with these grant.
[2:38:43] Dollars if awarded and there's
[2:38:45] a big if there as council
[2:38:46] member anderson stated where.
[2:38:46] >> the.
[2:38:47] Very very beginning.
[2:38:47] Stages of.
[2:38:48] This but if.
[2:38:49] >> we are.
[2:38:50] Awarded these grant dollars.
[2:38:52] And services and agencies.
[2:38:52] together to.
[2:38:56] To create and sustain a
[2:38:56] charlotte-mecklenburg that.
[2:38:58] Thrives.
[2:38:58] >> the model cities.
[2:38:59] Initiative grant follows a
[2:39:01] framework that brings a lot of
[2:39:03] partners together from city to
[2:39:04] county, federal.
[2:39:05] And community.
[2:39:06] Partners partners such as
[2:39:08] atrium, charlotte-mecklenburg
[2:39:09] schools, the safe alliance, the
[2:39:10] umbrella center bring.
[2:39:11] Us all under.
[2:39:12] To work collaboratively.
[2:39:13] For what's best.
[2:39:13] For our.
[2:39:14] >> city and.
[2:39:15] >> county and for us this
[2:39:15] means.
[2:39:16] Fewer victims.
[2:39:17] >> of.
[2:39:18] Crime and if someone is a
[2:39:19] victim of crime they get
[2:39:21] adequate recovery services.
[2:39:22] Also to its.
[2:39:23] >> support for our district.
[2:39:24] Attorney's office.
[2:39:24] For more.
[2:39:25] >> judges, for more.
[2:39:27] Advocates and greater
[2:39:27] resources.
[2:39:28] >> for the.
[2:39:29] Sheriff's office and.
[2:39:30] Adult corrections.
[2:39:31] It's also.
[2:39:32] >> an opportunity to help.
[2:39:32] Come up.
[2:39:33] >> with something to.
[2:39:34] Reduce recidivism.
[2:39:36] Through more reentry programs
[2:39:37] and greater behavioral health.
[2:39:39] Resources for both.
[2:39:40] Youth and adults.
[2:39:41] So in.
[2:39:42] >> the end with this grant, if
[2:39:43] we are able to.
[2:39:43] >> get.
[2:39:43] Some dollars.
[2:39:44] it will.
[2:39:45] >>, we believe make.
[2:39:48] Our community stronger.
[2:39:48] We did.
[2:39:50] >> present this to the public
[2:39:50] safety committee last.
[2:39:52] Week and now.
[2:39:53] >> we are seeking your approval
[2:39:55] or your support to apply.
[2:39:56] >> for the grant.
[2:39:56] At this time.
[2:39:57] >> I'm going.
[2:39:57] To turn it.
[2:39:58] >> over to.
[2:39:58] >> MISS Kelly.
[2:39:59] Hi foster who's just gonna give
[2:40:00] you a little bit more
[2:40:01] information about the grant,
[2:40:03] our proposed strategy and then
[2:40:04] also to the next steps and then
[2:40:05] we'll be happy to answer any.
[2:40:06] Questions you.
[2:40:06] >> MAY have.
[2:40:14] Questions from council I know
[2:40:15] council member mayfield.
[2:40:16] Council member.
[2:40:18] I think she's getting ready to
[2:40:19] do an actual presentation.
[2:40:21] Yes just a few slides.
[2:40:22] Yeah we.
[2:40:23] >> haven't gotten to.
[2:40:23] The.
[2:40:23] Presentation yet.
[2:40:26] >> so good evening.
[2:40:27] My name is kelly.
[2:40:28] >> hi foster.
[2:40:29] And I'm going to.
[2:40:30] Take you.
[2:40:32] >> through the mci.
[2:40:34] Model cities initiative.
[2:40:35] Um we're.
[2:40:36] >> going to review the.
[2:40:38] Solicitation the proposal.
[2:40:40] Strategy and the.
[2:40:41] Framework by.
[2:40:42] >> which we will.
[2:40:42] Apply.
[2:40:44] >> so for.
[2:40:45] >> the model city initiative,
[2:40:46] the department.
[2:40:47] >> of justice, it has.
[2:40:49] Approximately 300 million.
[2:40:52] To be available nationwide, but
[2:40:53] we'll only choose 2.
[2:40:54] >> to 4.
[2:40:54] Cities.
[2:40:55] .
[2:40:55] Um.
[2:40:57] To give the funding to.
[2:40:58] This award.
[2:40:59] Will be.
[2:40:59] Structured as.
[2:41:00] >> a cooperative.
[2:41:01] Agreement rather.
[2:41:02] Than a.
[2:41:03] >> traditional grant.
[2:41:04] And that means the department.
[2:41:05] >> of justice through the cops.
[2:41:06] Office.
[2:41:07] >> the office of justice
[2:41:08] program and.
[2:41:09] >> the office of violence
[2:41:09] against women.
[2:41:11] Will be a.
[2:41:12] Part of the grant oversight.
[2:41:13] This is a three.
[2:41:14] Year grant.
[2:41:16] And we are in.
[2:41:17] Phase one.
[2:41:17] Of the.
[2:41:19] >> application which is due.
[2:41:20] SEPTEMBER 1st.
[2:41:23] >> um cities.
[2:41:23] >> are.
[2:41:24] Invited will.
[2:41:25] Be invited.
[2:41:25] >> to.
[2:41:26] Advance to phase two.
[2:41:27] Um and.
[2:41:28] >> that will.
[2:41:31] Be a presentation process and.
[2:41:32] We don't know at this.
[2:41:32] Time whether.
[2:41:33] That they.
[2:41:34] >> will.
[2:41:34] Come here or.
[2:41:36] >> the cities that are chosen.
[2:41:36] >> will.
[2:41:37] Have to go there.
[2:41:37] To do.
[2:41:38] >> their presentations.
[2:41:39] But we.
[2:41:40] >> should.
[2:41:40] Know whether.
[2:41:41] >> we.
[2:41:42] Would be in that.
[2:41:42] Group of.
[2:41:44] >> cities by the end of the
[2:41:44] calendar year.
[2:41:45] This year.
[2:41:51] To make a.
[2:41:53] Successful mci proposal.
[2:41:54] Um.
[2:41:55] >> we'll begin.
[2:41:55] With a.
[2:41:56] >> direct and.
[2:41:57] Credible connection.
[2:41:58] To crime reduction.
[2:41:59] That's the basis.
[2:42:00] Of the.
[2:42:01] Initiative itself.
[2:42:02] >> the department of justice.
[2:42:03] Like the chief said, is looking
[2:42:04] for a whole.
[2:42:05] >> of.
[2:42:05] The community approach.
[2:42:06] Um.
[2:42:08] >> public safety is a shared
[2:42:08] responsibility.
[2:42:09] Where we.
[2:42:11] Create one coordinated.
[2:42:12] Regional ecosystem.
[2:42:15] Technology modernization and
[2:42:15] data governance.
[2:42:16] Are also.
[2:42:18] Critical to this.
[2:42:20] Proposal.
[2:42:22] >> um, all projects.
[2:42:23] >> will.
[2:42:24] Reinforce one theory.
[2:42:25] Of change.
[2:42:26] Our theory of change.
[2:42:27] >> is that.
[2:42:27] Violent crime.
[2:42:29] Declines when the region.
[2:42:30] Rapidly identifies the.
[2:42:32] People, places, networks.
[2:42:32] >> and.
[2:42:34] Conditions driving violence.
[2:42:35] As we.
[2:42:36] >> build our.
[2:42:37] Proposal we are looking at
[2:42:38] sustainability.
[2:42:39] We're using.
[2:42:41] Model cities funding as an.
[2:42:42] Accelerator not as a.
[2:42:43] Permanent funding source.
[2:42:46] The goal of the goal is to
[2:42:46] build.
[2:42:47] Capabilities.
[2:42:49] >> partnerships, infrastructure
[2:42:51] and an operating model that
[2:42:52] charlotte-mecklenburg.
[2:42:53] Can sustain long.
[2:42:55] After the federal award wins.
[2:42:58] And lastly, there are seven.
[2:42:58] Goals that they.
[2:43:00] Require that we meet.
[2:43:03] Here.
[2:43:04] >> we've made.
[2:43:07] A presentation.
[2:43:10] That really shows a visit, a.
[2:43:11] Visual um.
[2:43:13] Connection between.
[2:43:14] With the public safety
[2:43:15] ecosystem.
[2:43:16] The framework.
[2:43:17] Starts with the.
[2:43:19] Understanding that we cannot do
[2:43:20] this alone.
[2:43:22] Safer communities require
[2:43:23] integrated action.
[2:43:23] Across law.
[2:43:25] Enforcement, behavioral health
[2:43:26] ,victim.
[2:43:27] Services.
[2:43:29] >> corrections, technology.
[2:43:30] Use services.
[2:43:31] Workforce development.
[2:43:32] And community partners.
[2:43:33] The model.
[2:43:35] Connects the work.
[2:43:35] Across the.
[2:43:37] >> continuum detecting.
[2:43:38] Threats, analyzing information
[2:43:38] .
[2:43:41] And intervening effectively and
[2:43:41] stabilizing.
[2:43:43] Individuals and families,
[2:43:45] supporting reintegration and.
[2:43:45] creating the.
[2:43:47] >> conditions for people.
[2:43:48] And the neighborhoods.
[2:43:49] To thrive.
[2:43:52] We will use technology as.
[2:43:54] >> a and data as a connective
[2:43:54] tissue.
[2:43:56] Regional data sharing, real
[2:43:56] time.
[2:43:58] Intelligence analytics and.
[2:43:59] Modernized public.
[2:44:01] Safety technology help.
[2:44:01] >> our.
[2:44:02] Partners develop.
[2:44:04] >> a more complete picture of
[2:44:04] threats.
[2:44:05] Needs, interventions.
[2:44:07] And outcomes.
[2:44:12] This is what makes charlotte.
[2:44:14] Mecklenburg competitive.
[2:44:15] The region already has.
[2:44:18] Many many of the necessary
[2:44:18] partners.
[2:44:20] Capabilities and initiatives.
[2:44:22] The missing opportunity will.
[2:44:23] Allow us to connect.
[2:44:25] Accelerate and scale them.
[2:44:32] While the whole of the city
[2:44:32] approach.
[2:44:33] Describes the.
[2:44:34] >> system how.
[2:44:34] >> the system.
[2:44:35] Works at.
[2:44:35] >> a.
[2:44:36] Macro level.
[2:44:37] The micro.
[2:44:37] Level view.
[2:44:39] It asks.
[2:44:40] What happens to an individual.
[2:44:42] Victim or.
[2:44:43] Alleged offender as they move
[2:44:43] through the.
[2:44:44] System.
[2:44:45] >> at the.
[2:44:46] Macro level, mci.
[2:44:47] Builds a.
[2:44:48] Coordinated public safety
[2:44:50] ecosystem at the micro.
[2:44:52] Level it ensures that that
[2:44:52] ecosystem works for the.
[2:44:54] individual protecting the
[2:44:56] victim holding.
[2:44:58] The offender appropriately
[2:45:00] accountable, addressing the.
[2:45:01] Conditions that contribute.
[2:45:02] To the.
[2:45:04] Future violence and creating a
[2:45:05] pathway towards recovery.
[2:45:06] >> and stability.
[2:45:09] Our goal is not simply to
[2:45:10] respond.
[2:45:10] >> to an incident.
[2:45:12] Prevention crisis.
[2:45:14] Stabilization investigation.
[2:45:16] Treatment, supervision.
[2:45:16] Housing.
[2:45:18] >> employment and other
[2:45:20] services create multiple.
[2:45:21] Opportunities to.
[2:45:22] Interrupt future.
[2:45:24] Violence.
[2:45:30] >> so as stated before.
[2:45:30] >> in order.
[2:45:31] To move forward to.
[2:45:32] Take these initial steps.
[2:45:33] >> we.
[2:45:33] Will need.
[2:45:34] Support from all the
[2:45:35] individuals.
[2:45:35] Listed on this.
[2:45:36] >> list here beginning with the
[2:45:39] mayor from the manager to our
[2:45:40] prosecutors, our U.S.
[2:45:40] Attorney's.
[2:45:41] Office.
[2:45:41] >> our district.
[2:45:43] Attorney, our U.S. Attorney I
[2:45:44] believe is in the audience with
[2:45:45] us today.
[2:45:47] Our sheriff, our city council.
[2:45:48] Director of.
[2:45:50] Health and human services and
[2:45:50] then also.
[2:45:51] Adult corrections.
[2:45:52] >> and community partners.
[2:45:55] So far we've been successful in
[2:45:56] getting in speaking and meeting
[2:45:56] with all.
[2:45:57] These entities.
[2:45:58] Um.
[2:45:59] >> and we feel.
[2:45:59] Comfortable that.
[2:45:59] We can.
[2:46:00] Move forward in.
[2:46:01] >> at least doing.
[2:46:02] >> the initial.
[2:46:02] Steps of.
[2:46:03] >> this grant.
[2:46:04] Right.
[2:46:05] >> and at this time.
[2:46:06] >> we.
[2:46:06] Will open up.
[2:46:07] To any questions you MAY have
[2:46:07] of us.
[2:46:08] Thank you, chief patterson.
[2:46:09] I've got.
[2:46:12] Three council members who have
[2:46:13] asked to uh to be.
[2:46:14] >> now.
[2:46:15] For starting with council
[2:46:16] member mayfield.
[2:46:17] Thank you mayor.
[2:46:17] Thank you.
[2:46:20] Excuse me, chief and team, a
[2:46:20] couple of.
[2:46:21] Questions.
[2:46:21] What's the.
[2:46:23] >> financial expectation.
[2:46:25] Of the city yet since this is
[2:46:26] only a three year grant.
[2:46:27] So after that what happens?
[2:46:28] Yes, sir.
[2:46:29] Yes, ma'am.
[2:46:30] So the city would have to
[2:46:32] assume any, uh, positions that
[2:46:34] we are asking for if we were
[2:46:35] able to award those.
[2:46:36] We are asking for a.
[2:46:37] >> few.
[2:46:37] Positions.
[2:46:38] >> uh, for.
[2:46:38] >> our.
[2:46:39] Crime gun unit and.
[2:46:39] >> also.
[2:46:41] For our jade in our, um, gang
[2:46:41] units.
[2:46:42] So the.
[2:46:43] >> city would be.
[2:46:44] Responsible for, um.
[2:46:45] Continuing those positions
[2:46:46] after the grant funding.
[2:46:47] Runs out.
[2:46:47] >> the ex.
[2:46:50] So it would be helpful to know
[2:46:50] exactly.
[2:46:51] >> what that.
[2:46:51] Cost is.
[2:46:53] >> we just passed our budget.
[2:46:53] So you're.
[2:46:55] Talking about us having to
[2:46:57] identify additional staff that
[2:46:58] will not be paid for.
[2:46:59] Through this grant?
[2:47:01] Uh, I also want to make sure
[2:47:02] that my colleagues.
[2:47:04] Understand.
[2:47:09] >> that a concern that I have
[2:47:13] is one that the details MAY
[2:47:14] determine.
[2:47:17] Whether this initiative
[2:47:18] functions primarily as a
[2:47:20] targeted crime reduction grant
[2:47:22] or honestly becomes.
[2:47:22] >> a major.
[2:47:24] Federal accelerator.
[2:47:26] For local surveillance
[2:47:27] infrastructure.
[2:47:28] So when we.
[2:47:31] Look, uh, what was just
[2:47:34] mentioned as far as the fact
[2:47:36] that the initiative supports a
[2:47:39] wide range of public safety
[2:47:39] activities.
[2:47:44] I want us to be very cognizant
[2:47:44] .
[2:47:48] That the city's selected for
[2:47:50] funding will be expected to
[2:47:50] demonstrate.
[2:47:53] Measurable reductions in crime
[2:47:53] .
[2:47:55] While serving as.
[2:47:56] So-called national models.
[2:47:58] How do we.
[2:48:02] Measure identify measurable
[2:48:02] reductions?
[2:48:04] So let's think about.
[2:48:05] >> for profit prisons.
[2:48:06] >> they're only as successful
[2:48:07] as the body system.
[2:48:10] So when we're talking about
[2:48:11] potentially accepting.
[2:48:12] >> a grant which.
[2:48:12] >> is.
[2:48:14] Interesting that 300 million is
[2:48:15] the new magic number.
[2:48:16] That keeps going around.
[2:48:17] But if.
[2:48:17] We're talking.
[2:48:19] About this 300 million.
[2:48:20] That MAY be available.
[2:48:24] In awards but that's only
[2:48:26] expected for 2 to.
[2:48:27] >> 4.
[2:48:29] Jurisdictions, I have.
[2:48:31] Some concerns as.
[2:48:32] Far as.
[2:48:33] The expectations.
[2:48:36] Of the fact that we.
[2:48:36] Will be.
[2:48:38] >> turning our local.
[2:48:40] Law enforcement over.
[2:48:44] To federal agencies because
[2:48:45] there will be a lot.
[2:48:46] More scrutiny.
[2:48:50] When we look at the cities that
[2:48:50] will be.
[2:48:54] Selected for this and that.
[2:48:55] Scrutiny will be under.
[2:48:58] Federal guidelines versus we
[2:48:59] have put a lot.
[2:48:59] Of energy.
[2:49:03] And I feel like we will be
[2:49:03] setting ourselves up will be a.
[2:49:06] Very contradictory to say that
[2:49:07] we care.
[2:49:09] About our local community and.
[2:49:09] We're trying to.
[2:49:11] Create a safe neighborhood.
[2:49:12] And then.
[2:49:12] >> we're bringing.
[2:49:14] In federal level.
[2:49:18] Engagement utilizing of which.
[2:49:22] The grant itself shows the
[2:49:23] opportunity of advance
[2:49:24] artificial intelligence.
[2:49:27] Access.
[2:49:30] >> how they.
[2:49:32] Plan to invest in technology,
[2:49:35] what they say is strengthening
[2:49:38] behavioral services for a three
[2:49:39] year period that we're looking
[2:49:41] at long term impact.
[2:49:44] On and I'm.
[2:49:47] Very concerned about what that
[2:49:49] could mean for our.
[2:49:51] Local community.
[2:49:54] As far as enforcement and
[2:49:55] militarizing our police.
[2:49:58] On a federal level and how that
[2:49:59] will be used to how that can be
[2:50:03] used against our residents and
[2:50:03] our citizens.
[2:50:05] So I did.
[2:50:06] Want to.
[2:50:07] Share the concerns that I have
[2:50:09] mayor for that I am not going.
[2:50:10] To support.
[2:50:11] Us moving.
[2:50:12] Forward with this, but I do.
[2:50:13] Want to make.
[2:50:15] >> sure that we have some very
[2:50:17] transparent conversations
[2:50:18] around what it potentially can
[2:50:21] be and what it actually looks
[2:50:22] like, especially when this is a
[2:50:24] part of the alleged big
[2:50:25] beautiful bill.
[2:50:27] I have a lot of concerns of how
[2:50:28] that impacts.
[2:50:29] Our majority minority.
[2:50:33] Community that we have worked
[2:50:34] hard to become.
[2:50:35] A city.
[2:50:36] For all.
[2:50:38] And how that could.
[2:50:41] Create an environment where we
[2:50:42] are not a city.
[2:50:43] >> for all.
[2:50:43] Thank you.
[2:50:44] >> thank you council member
[2:50:46] mayfield and again just for the
[2:50:48] for understanding this is a
[2:50:50] preview item um held over from
[2:50:52] our earlier session.
[2:50:53] This is the first time it's
[2:50:55] come before us anticipate that
[2:50:56] it will come back before.
[2:50:56] >> us.
[2:50:57] But this.
[2:50:57] Is a preview.
[2:51:00] um, I have a council member as
[2:51:00] mirror.
[2:51:01] Thank you.
[2:51:02] >> mayor harrington.
[2:51:06] So, chief, as you know, um, I
[2:51:07] supported this item at the
[2:51:08] committee level.
[2:51:11] Because we should always look
[2:51:11] for.
[2:51:13] Resources to keep our.
[2:51:13] Community safe.
[2:51:16] But since then I.
[2:51:18] Have received a number of calls
[2:51:20] from various community
[2:51:22] organizations, especially from
[2:51:24] immigrant and refugee community
[2:51:26] concerned about this as well
[2:51:26] as.
[2:51:27] I read about.
[2:51:28] Um.
[2:51:31] What are the implications of
[2:51:31] this.
[2:51:34] Dollars in knpr as well as
[2:51:36] guardian about how this
[2:51:36] dollars.
[2:51:36] >> are.
[2:51:38] Attached with the federal.
[2:51:39] Immigration enforcement?
[2:51:40] So if you could just.
[2:51:43] Help me understand so I have a
[2:51:46] number of questions, um, which
[2:51:48] I'm going to take my time
[2:51:49] asking because I do want the
[2:51:51] community to know that we are
[2:51:52] doing our due diligence.
[2:51:53] So first.
[2:51:54] Do we.
[2:51:57] Have to certify compliance with
[2:51:57] immigration.
[2:51:59] Enforcement?
[2:52:02] >> uh, if we were to be awarded
[2:52:04] this grant and precisely what.
[2:52:05] >> would.
[2:52:07] That require cmpd to do?
[2:52:08] Okay.
[2:52:08] >> yes ma'am.
[2:52:10] And I'm x MISS Battle to come
[2:52:11] down just to talk from the.
[2:52:12] Legal perspective but I will
[2:52:14] state um as the chief of this
[2:52:14] city that.
[2:52:16] Uh, we would not.
[2:52:17] Consent or we would.
[2:52:18] >> not.
[2:52:18] Accept award.
[2:52:20] Dollars that is inconsistent
[2:52:22] with our values of this city as
[2:52:23] a police department we don't
[2:52:24] enforce immigration laws.
[2:52:25] That would be our stance and
[2:52:26] that would be our.
[2:52:27] Position because that's what is
[2:52:28] currently is.
[2:52:28] Right now.
[2:52:29] But I'm being asked MISS Battle
[2:52:31] should come forth just to talk
[2:52:33] about our compliance or what
[2:52:34] this grant MAY require.
[2:52:35] >> as.
[2:52:35] It pertains.
[2:52:36] >> to ice.
[2:52:37] And immigration.
[2:52:40] Good evening.
[2:52:41] Again jessica battle with.
[2:52:43] The city attorney's office.
[2:52:45] The grant application.
[2:52:46] Process would require the.
[2:52:47] Mayor or a senior.
[2:52:48] Official from the city of
[2:52:51] charlotte to sign certain
[2:52:52] certifications as part of the.
[2:52:53] Grant process.
[2:52:55] That certification document
[2:52:56] does reference several.
[2:52:58] Federal statutes, um.
[2:52:59] That the city would.
[2:53:00] Have to.
[2:53:02] >> comply with those statutes
[2:53:03] on their face.
[2:53:04] Do not create.
[2:53:04] Any affirmative.
[2:53:06] Duty on.
[2:53:07] >> the law enforcement agency.
[2:53:07] Or the.
[2:53:08] City to.
[2:53:11] Communicate or share
[2:53:12] information with immigration.
[2:53:13] Um the.
[2:53:15] Certification document that
[2:53:15] would.
[2:53:16] need to be signed.
[2:53:17] Also does not.
[2:53:19] Create any affirmative duty.
[2:53:21] On the city of charlotte or the
[2:53:23] applying law enforcement
[2:53:23] agency.
[2:53:26] To have any affirmative duty to
[2:53:28] share information with ice or
[2:53:30] federal immigration entities.
[2:53:31] Um.
[2:53:32] If cmpd were.
[2:53:33] >> to be.
[2:53:34] Awarded the.
[2:53:35] Grant when those grant.
[2:53:35] Documents are.
[2:53:37] >> presented to cpd.
[2:53:37] >> they would.
[2:53:38] >> be thoroughly reviewed.
[2:53:40] By the city attorney's.
[2:53:41] Office and any other.
[2:53:42] Um affected.
[2:53:44] City departments to see.
[2:53:45] What if.
[2:53:48] Any clauses existed about.
[2:53:50] Cooperation with the federal.
[2:53:52] Government in cooperation with
[2:53:52] ice.
[2:53:55] Specifically and at that point
[2:53:56] between this council.
[2:53:56] >> and the chief of.
[2:53:57] Police in the.
[2:53:58] Collaborative discussions like
[2:53:58] .
[2:53:59] This it will.
[2:54:00] >> be.
[2:54:00] Determined whether or.
[2:54:01] Not cpd.
[2:54:02] And the city would actually.
[2:54:04] Accept the grant based.
[2:54:04] On any.
[2:54:05] >> clauses related to.
[2:54:07] Immigration and the city's
[2:54:07] overall.
[2:54:09] Goals and objectives.
[2:54:11] Uh thank you attorney battle
[2:54:12] for that clarification.
[2:54:14] Just wanted to follow up on
[2:54:14] that.
[2:54:17] So before any application
[2:54:19] proceeds will council receive
[2:54:21] the complete certification
[2:54:24] including conditions and
[2:54:24] criteria and.
[2:54:27] Proposed commitments in
[2:54:27] writing?
[2:54:29] Uh, before we.
[2:54:30] Publicly vote?
[2:54:33] Yes, the.
[2:54:34] >> certification document.
[2:54:35] Is a one.
[2:54:36] Page document.
[2:54:37] With several.
[2:54:37] Clauses on.
[2:54:38] It that.
[2:54:39] Would certainly.
[2:54:40] >> be shared.
[2:54:40] With this council.
[2:54:42] Before signing and again the.
[2:54:43] Signer being the.
[2:54:45] Mayor or another senior
[2:54:45] official.
[2:54:45] Um at.
[2:54:46] His designation.
[2:54:47] >> but there will be full
[2:54:48] disclosure and discussion of.
[2:54:49] >> each of.
[2:54:49] Those clauses.
[2:54:50] And we do.
[2:54:50] Have line.
[2:54:51] By line.
[2:54:52] Summaries of.
[2:54:53] Each and every federal.
[2:54:55] Statute referenced in that
[2:54:55] document.
[2:54:57] I appreciate that.
[2:54:58] Uh, to.
[2:54:59] >> um sorry.
[2:55:00] Um, COUNCILMAN.
[2:55:00] >> and.
[2:55:00] We would.
[2:55:01] >> add.
[2:55:01] To that.
[2:55:02] >> our partners as well because
[2:55:03] we wouldn't enter.
[2:55:03] And would.
[2:55:04] >> would not enter.
[2:55:04] >> in this.
[2:55:05] By ourselves.
[2:55:07] So we would have all our county
[2:55:08] partners, our community
[2:55:09] partners as well bringing them
[2:55:10] to the table.
[2:55:10] >> so.
[2:55:11] They.
[2:55:11] Know all.
[2:55:11] >> the.
[2:55:12] Provisions that are part of
[2:55:12] this.
[2:55:13] >> um grant.
[2:55:13] Thank you.
[2:55:15] >> I always appreciate your
[2:55:16] collaborative leadership.
[2:55:17] Uh, chief.
[2:55:18] Patterson so.
[2:55:22] One more so.
[2:55:29] I noticed in some of this, um,
[2:55:29] as I.
[2:55:30] >> was.
[2:55:30] Reading through and doing.
[2:55:31] Uh.
[2:55:33] >> some research on this, it
[2:55:35] talked about potential
[2:55:36] financial exposure.
[2:55:37] Uh, under the.
[2:55:39] Provision requiring
[2:55:39] reimbursement.
[2:55:41] For future federal law.
[2:55:42] Enforcement intervention.
[2:55:43] Could you speak to.
[2:55:44] That?
[2:55:44] >> and who.
[2:55:46] Decides when the obligations
[2:55:48] trigger trigger.
[2:55:50] Can to.
[2:55:55] So we won't know what the
[2:55:55] terms.
[2:55:56] And conditions are.
[2:55:58] Until we.
[2:55:59] Actually receive.
[2:55:59] >> an award.
[2:56:00] .
[2:56:00] >> and so.
[2:56:02] That would outline what.
[2:56:04] You know is expected.
[2:56:06] And right now.
[2:56:07] All we know.
[2:56:09] Is exactly what you're reading
[2:56:09] there and.
[2:56:10] >> there.
[2:56:11] Really is no more information
[2:56:12] at this.
[2:56:13] >> point in time.
[2:56:15] So we would have to wait until
[2:56:15] we received.
[2:56:16] >> an.
[2:56:16] Award and.
[2:56:17] Then it would outline.
[2:56:18] >> what.
[2:56:18] We were.
[2:56:19] Required to do.
[2:56:20] So so do.
[2:56:21] A follow.
[2:56:23] Up on that if we were.
[2:56:23] To be.
[2:56:24] One of the select.
[2:56:26] One of the or.
[2:56:27] One of the.
[2:56:30] Cities that receives the.
[2:56:31] Award would.
[2:56:33] Would that come back to.
[2:56:37] Council with all the criteria
[2:56:39] and terms and conditions before
[2:56:40] before we say yes.
[2:56:41] Yes we would.
[2:56:42] >> have.
[2:56:42] To come.
[2:56:43] Back to council.
[2:56:43] It would.
[2:56:45] >> go like um MISS Battle said.
[2:56:46] Through the city.
[2:56:47] Attorney's office.
[2:56:48] Because it is.
[2:56:50] >> a contract and then it
[2:56:50] would.
[2:56:50] >> go through.
[2:56:52] Council to.
[2:56:52] Accept the.
[2:56:54] >> award or not.
[2:56:56] Okay that's fair and our.
[2:56:56] Partners um.
[2:56:59] So uh while if.
[2:57:00] >> we.
[2:57:01] Can also look at.
[2:57:03] Uh in addition to financial.
[2:57:04] Exposure I would also like.
[2:57:05] Us to.
[2:57:08] Also look into uh funding
[2:57:10] concerning homelessness and
[2:57:11] mental health treatment.
[2:57:12] Um, our.
[2:57:14] public public.
[2:57:16] Space enforcement that we would
[2:57:18] be liable for in terms of
[2:57:21] enforcing uh, so as that could.
[2:57:22] >> be part.
[2:57:24] Of the due diligence if we were
[2:57:25] to be awarded this grant.
[2:57:27] Um.
[2:57:28] >> councilmember ajmera.
[2:57:29] Yes.
[2:57:30] >> if I MAY add.
[2:57:32] Another statement about the.
[2:57:33] Financial obligations.
[2:57:34] There is a clause.
[2:57:36] In the grant application.
[2:57:36] >> that.
[2:57:37] If there were to be a.
[2:57:38] Quote, surge in.
[2:57:40] Violence in the city of.
[2:57:41] Charlotte that required.
[2:57:44] Um deployment of federal
[2:57:44] resources.
[2:57:45] The city of charlotte.
[2:57:45] Would be.
[2:57:46] Respond or.
[2:57:47] >> excuse me the granting.
[2:57:48] And any.
[2:57:50] Associated sub grantees.
[2:57:52] >> would be responsible for
[2:57:54] reimbursement for the cost of
[2:57:54] that um.
[2:57:55] Federal deployment.
[2:57:56] >> in the city.
[2:57:58] So that's in the application
[2:57:59] right now?
[2:58:00] Yes.
[2:58:00] Okay.
[2:58:02] So there is something
[2:58:03] concerning to me here because
[2:58:04] we do not know.
[2:58:05] >> what their exposure.
[2:58:07] Is if we can put that exposure
[2:58:11] in numbers, if you're receiving
[2:58:12] $300 million but if our
[2:58:13] exposure.
[2:58:13] Is 700.
[2:58:17] 800 or $1 billion we need to be
[2:58:18] talking about that now.
[2:58:21] Um, if you have fallen.
[2:58:22] >> I'm sure.
[2:58:22] we would.
[2:58:24] >> not have a number.
[2:58:26] At this time if federal
[2:58:27] resources were to be deployed.
[2:58:28] >> to.
[2:58:28] This city.
[2:58:29] It will be.
[2:58:30] >> calculated based on whatever
[2:58:31] calculations.
[2:58:32] That the particular federal.
[2:58:33] Agency uses.
[2:58:35] Similar to if if the city of
[2:58:36] um.
[2:58:37] Excuse me if cmpd has.
[2:58:39] >> to use resources for certain
[2:58:41] events and where we charge for
[2:58:42] the resources of.
[2:58:43] Officers that need to be
[2:58:44] deployed in a sort of emergency
[2:58:45] .
[2:58:46] Situation, um, caused by.
[2:58:47] A private business.
[2:58:48] For example.
[2:58:50] The city has calculations for.
[2:58:51] The cost.
[2:58:52] Of that resource.
[2:58:52] Um.
[2:58:53] >> the federal government.
[2:58:54] Has the same.
[2:58:55] We would not know the.
[2:58:56] Exact cost.
[2:58:57] Unless and.
[2:58:59] >> until federal resources were
[2:59:00] actually.
[2:59:00] Deployed here.
[2:59:02] And then we sort of get an
[2:59:03] invoicing of.
[2:59:03] >> the.
[2:59:04] Costs of.
[2:59:04] That deployment.
[2:59:05] I get.
[2:59:07] That because.
[2:59:09] The it depends on number of
[2:59:11] days, number of troops that are
[2:59:11] involved.
[2:59:12] Right.
[2:59:12] All of that.
[2:59:13] But I think we should have.
[2:59:14] Some sort.
[2:59:14] >> of.
[2:59:17] understanding going into this
[2:59:20] before we even apply um what
[2:59:21] that looks like because some
[2:59:23] cities have gotten large
[2:59:24] invoices.
[2:59:26] So uh lastly.
[2:59:26] Just.
[2:59:30] >> has the city attorney.
[2:59:30] >> uh.
[2:59:33] Andrew, have you have
[2:59:34] independently reviewed some of
[2:59:36] these conditions and their
[2:59:37] compatibility with our existing
[2:59:38] city policies?
[2:59:41] I have review them.
[2:59:42] I've obviously had.
[2:59:43] Staff engaged.
[2:59:44] In the matter.
[2:59:45] And we will continue.
[2:59:46] To explore it based.
[2:59:47] >> upon the additional concerns
[2:59:49] that council is here tonight.
[2:59:49] Okay.
[2:59:50] >> I have a.
[2:59:51] >> couple of questions.
[2:59:52] Hold on.
[2:59:53] Um.
[2:59:55] So.
[3:00:04] Chief I appreciate.
[3:00:06] >> you saying that we will not
[3:00:08] compromise on our values and
[3:00:10] one of our values is that we.
[3:00:13] Value the trust in.
[3:00:14] Our communities.
[3:00:16] Regardless of where they come
[3:00:18] from and what their immigration
[3:00:18] status.
[3:00:18] Might be.
[3:00:22] Because if someone when victim
[3:00:25] is afraid to call 911 or a
[3:00:26] witness is not willing to
[3:00:28] testify because they are
[3:00:28] afraid.
[3:00:29] Of cmpd.
[3:00:32] Collaborating with federal law
[3:00:34] and federal immigration
[3:00:36] enforcement, then we are losing
[3:00:37] that.
[3:00:39] Trust and that makes all of us
[3:00:39] unsafe.
[3:00:44] so, uh, I appreciate you saying
[3:00:45] that we will not compromise on
[3:00:46] our values.
[3:00:47] So the.
[3:00:47] >> question remains.
[3:00:49] About our financial exposure
[3:00:49] and I think we.
[3:00:50] Need some more.
[3:00:52] Clarity on that.
[3:00:54] I certainly appreciate and
[3:00:55] support.
[3:00:56] All the grant that are.
[3:00:58] Available, uh, to keep our
[3:00:58] community safe.
[3:01:02] Um, but a line that I cannot
[3:01:05] cross is the any collaboration
[3:01:08] with federal immigration
[3:01:08] enforcement.
[3:01:09] Um.
[3:01:13] And that's all I have.
[3:01:15] Thank you.
[3:01:15] Council member edgemere.
[3:01:16] Um, I would.
[3:01:17] For the.
[3:01:18] Council I would say that we
[3:01:19] work with our federal.
[3:01:21] Partners right now each in our
[3:01:21] .
[3:01:22] Separate zones.
[3:01:24] So we as a police department we
[3:01:25] enforce the law.
[3:01:26] We don't enforce immigration.
[3:01:30] We don't enforce administrative
[3:01:31] warrants and those kinds of
[3:01:31] things.
[3:01:33] So we have no intentions of
[3:01:34] deviating from that.
[3:01:36] We will remain in our lane.
[3:01:38] Um where we enforce the law.
[3:01:39] >> and.
[3:01:40] Any criminal.
[3:01:40] Action that.
[3:01:41] >> occurs.
[3:01:41] I to remember.
[3:01:43] Watlington just one last
[3:01:45] comment if I MAY because I
[3:01:46] appreciate you saying.
[3:01:46] >> that.
[3:01:47] But today.
[3:01:49] This morning npr released an
[3:01:51] article that stated that this
[3:01:53] funding was specifically tied
[3:01:53] to.
[3:01:55] Federal enforcement.
[3:01:56] Federal immigration.
[3:01:59] Enforcement uh, guardian as
[3:02:00] well.
[3:02:01] So I think we just want to
[3:02:02] double check that's all I have.
[3:02:03] Thank you.
[3:02:03] Thank you, councilmember
[3:02:04] watlington.
[3:02:04] Thank you.
[3:02:05] >> MR. Mayor.
[3:02:06] Um, following up on that, I'm
[3:02:07] actually looking at the nlc,
[3:02:09] uh, website that's speaking to
[3:02:10] this particular.
[3:02:11] Um.
[3:02:13] >> initiative and there are a
[3:02:13] couple of things that jump out
[3:02:15] at me the first one being that
[3:02:16] .
[3:02:16] Um.
[3:02:17] >> exactly like.
[3:02:19] Was just mentioned.
[3:02:20] It says here.
[3:02:22] That finally local government
[3:02:24] should carefully review all
[3:02:25] eligibility requirements and
[3:02:26] certifications.
[3:02:27] The solicitation includes
[3:02:29] provisions related to federal
[3:02:31] immigration information sharing
[3:02:31] requirements and identifies
[3:02:32] certain activities that are not
[3:02:33] eligible for funding.
[3:02:36] Um so I would like to
[3:02:37] understand very very clearly
[3:02:39] what specifically that means
[3:02:41] because it does raise concern.
[3:02:42] Um and it's not something I
[3:02:44] will be prepared to uh, support
[3:02:45] at this time.
[3:02:47] Um, the other piece that stuck
[3:02:50] out to me, um, about this
[3:02:51] particular initiative is that
[3:02:54] it says dog or excuse me, doj
[3:02:55] will administer the initiative
[3:02:56] through cooperative agreements
[3:02:58] rather than traditional grants
[3:02:58] .
[3:03:00] This structure allows doj to
[3:03:02] maintain a more active role in
[3:03:03] project planning,
[3:03:04] implementation and oversight
[3:03:05] throughout the award period.
[3:03:06] Communities should be prepared
[3:03:08] for a higher level of federal
[3:03:09] engagement than they MAY
[3:03:11] experience under other grant
[3:03:11] programs.
[3:03:13] So both of those things for me
[3:03:16] are frankly red flags.
[3:03:17] Um.
[3:03:20] >> so I would really want to
[3:03:22] understand much more
[3:03:24] specifically what has been
[3:03:24] reviewed.
[3:03:27] I know uh both attorneys have
[3:03:28] mentioned that they reviewed it
[3:03:29] and that the on its face is in
[3:03:30] conflict.
[3:03:31] I'd like to see that line by
[3:03:32] line because what I'm reading
[3:03:35] here is is extremely concerning
[3:03:35] for me.
[3:03:37] Um, I'd also like to
[3:03:38] understand.
[3:03:39] Um.
[3:03:41] ,what specifically.
[3:03:43] We would be using this or
[3:03:43] hoping.
[3:03:44] >> to use.
[3:03:45] This funding for if we're
[3:03:47] looking at $300 million and 2
[3:03:49] to 4 million or 2 to 4 um
[3:03:51] cities being awarded
[3:03:54] essentially 75 to $150 million
[3:03:57] and if what we're able to um,
[3:03:59] purchase if you will or what's
[3:04:01] eligible for support is hiring
[3:04:03] and retention purchase or lease
[3:04:04] of equipment, tools or
[3:04:05] technology training and
[3:04:07] professional development
[3:04:08] facility costs, mental health
[3:04:10] and substance use services,
[3:04:11] reentry transitional support
[3:04:12] and recidivism reduction
[3:04:14] programs or services, victim
[3:04:15] services and youth crime
[3:04:16] prevention and intervention
[3:04:17] services.
[3:04:19] I'd be I'd like to see um.
[3:04:21] What it is specifically that we
[3:04:23] would be asking for to the tune
[3:04:26] of 75 to 150 million before I
[3:04:28] could be in position to uh to
[3:04:29] support anything.
[3:04:29] Uh.
[3:04:31] >> I'd like I would want to see
[3:04:32] what we have currently
[3:04:33] particularly.
[3:04:33] >> with.
[3:04:34] As it relates.
[3:04:34] >> to.
[3:04:35] Uh, technology.
[3:04:37] Is it doing the job and what
[3:04:38] additional investment would
[3:04:39] actually get us?
[3:04:41] Um, because I've got um
[3:04:42] tremendous concern in regards
[3:04:46] to how this enables um, uh, the
[3:04:47] acceleration of artificial
[3:04:48] intelligence systems etc. Etc.
[3:04:49] I would want to know
[3:04:51] specifically how it's used,
[3:04:52] especially given that the
[3:04:53] federal government would then
[3:04:55] be much more involved in the
[3:04:56] implementation and oversight.
[3:04:58] Where I sit right now I'm not
[3:05:00] interested in supporting this.
[3:05:03] Um, it feels far more risky
[3:05:06] than than what we know at this
[3:05:07] point just given the track
[3:05:08] record frankly of this
[3:05:10] administration respectfully it
[3:05:11] feels like we are.
[3:05:12] Opening pandora's box.
[3:05:13] But um.
[3:05:15] I know we're not voting today
[3:05:15] so.
[3:05:17] Certainly I remain open to
[3:05:18] additional information but
[3:05:19] there's there's a lot here that
[3:05:20] I would need to be a lot more.
[3:05:21] Comfortable with.
[3:05:22] Sure.
[3:05:23] >> and thank you for that
[3:05:24] doctor watlington and so we do
[3:05:25] have a listing of items that we
[3:05:26] are asking in meeting with all
[3:05:27] our.
[3:05:29] Partners um, to be able to put
[3:05:30] this whole system together.
[3:05:32] So we're happy to get a listing
[3:05:33] of that as we're still.
[3:05:34] Working through.
[3:05:35] Those final details.
[3:05:35] Um, we.
[3:05:36] Just have.
[3:05:37] >> a deadline of SEPTEMBER.
[3:05:38] >> 1st and so we wanted.
[3:05:38] >> to bring it.
[3:05:39] Before you.
[3:05:40] >> but we would certainly get
[3:05:40] that list to you.
[3:05:41] Thank you.
[3:05:42] >> thank you.
[3:05:42] >> doctor watlington.
[3:05:44] Um, now we have council member
[3:05:45] monsieur ortiz.
[3:05:47] Uh, thank you so much.
[3:05:48] Um.
[3:05:49] >> thank you, chief for.
[3:05:50] The presentation and thank you,
[3:05:51] council.
[3:05:52] Member anderson, for all your
[3:05:53] work to bring this work to
[3:05:54] council.
[3:05:55] Um.
[3:05:57] >> I want to.
[3:05:58] Uh, thank you.
[3:06:00] >> chief, for your, uh,
[3:06:01] unwavering commitment to.
[3:06:02] Reduce crime.
[3:06:02] >> in our city.
[3:06:03] >> I really.
[3:06:03] Appreciate it.
[3:06:04] And I, uh, I.
[3:06:06] Support pursuing resources.
[3:06:06] >> that generally make.
[3:06:07] Charlotte safe.
[3:06:08] Uh.
[3:06:09] >> but I do have some.
[3:06:11] Concerns and.
[3:06:12] Hesitation.
[3:06:13] >> uh.
[3:06:15] >> particularly when in the doj
[3:06:16] website under the.
[3:06:18] Office of public affairs and
[3:06:19] the press release, this grant
[3:06:20] is.
[3:06:21] Titled making america safe.
[3:06:23] Again and, um.
[3:06:24] I.
[3:06:25] >> I want.
[3:06:25] >> to talk.
[3:06:26] Briefly about.
[3:06:31] Just I have a question in the
[3:06:32] presentation and in the grant.
[3:06:35] Is our memphis.
[3:06:36] And washington dc.
[3:06:37] Stated as.
[3:06:39] Models for this initiative.
[3:06:42] They are they are however they
[3:06:44] are not receiving funding.
[3:06:45] Memphis is not receiving.
[3:06:46] Funding for this.
[3:06:47] >> they're not receiving
[3:06:47] funding.
[3:06:48] Thank you so much.
[3:06:49] I only.
[3:06:50] Bring this up to my colleagues
[3:06:52] because uh, the.
[3:06:52] Type of.
[3:06:53] >> federal local policing this
[3:06:54] .
[3:06:55] Program seeks to.
[3:06:55] Replicate.
[3:06:56] >> um, has.
[3:06:58] >> already produced serious
[3:06:59] consequences in memphis.
[3:07:00] Four people were killed an.
[3:07:01] Officer involved.
[3:07:02] Encounters connected.
[3:07:04] >> to the memphis safe.
[3:07:04] Task force within.
[3:07:06] Approximately two months.
[3:07:06] One was.
[3:07:08] >> tyron johnson, a 24.
[3:07:09] >> year old father who worked.
[3:07:10] >> in his family's construction
[3:07:12] business and another was jonah
[3:07:13] nell, uh.
[3:07:14] 25 year old reportedly.
[3:07:16] Experiencing a mental health.
[3:07:17] Crisis when he was killed
[3:07:18] during.
[3:07:18] >> an encounter.
[3:07:19] Involving a.
[3:07:20] >> homeland security agent.
[3:07:21] Uh.
[3:07:21] The individual.
[3:07:23] Circumstances remain subject to
[3:07:24] investigation for.
[3:07:25] >> four people losing their
[3:07:26] lives.
[3:07:27] I don't think can be.
[3:07:29] Treated as an administrative
[3:07:29] detail.
[3:07:31] Um, for a grant.
[3:07:33] And then national uh, in.
[3:07:35] Washington retired army
[3:07:35] captain.
[3:07:36] And a.
[3:07:38] >> king was detained by guard
[3:07:38] members.
[3:07:39] Outside her own home.
[3:07:40] Uh, her attorneys.
[3:07:42] Allege she was assaulted while
[3:07:43] exercising her.
[3:07:45] Uh, free speech rights and
[3:07:46] authorities have offered a
[3:07:47] different account.
[3:07:48] Reading an earlier encounter.
[3:07:50] I also want to.
[3:07:52] Talk about last year.
[3:07:54] Operation charlotte's web
[3:07:54] lasted.
[3:07:54] Only a.
[3:07:56] >> matter of days.
[3:07:57] Uh, but its effects were
[3:07:58] immediate.
[3:08:00] Approximately 370 people were
[3:08:02] arrested in the charlotte area
[3:08:03] over five days.
[3:08:05] Children MISS School because.
[3:08:06] Their parents.
[3:08:07] >> feared family separation.
[3:08:08] Work or stay home.
[3:08:09] Families avoiding grocery
[3:08:10] stores, medical.
[3:08:11] Appointments in.
[3:08:11] >> public spaces.
[3:08:13] Um and heavily armed.
[3:08:15] Federal agents operated.
[3:08:16] In our neighborhoods and.
[3:08:18] used unmarked vehicles.
[3:08:20] >> now I understand this is.
[3:08:20] >> a.
[3:08:21] Grant memphis.
[3:08:22] >> doesn't have the funding at
[3:08:25] um and it's but it's.
[3:08:26] A model.
[3:08:28] A pattern we're seeing.
[3:08:29] When federal.
[3:08:31] Law enforcement agents.
[3:08:31] Are in.
[3:08:34] Our cities east charlotte small
[3:08:35] businesses were also harmed.
[3:08:37] Businesses reported losing an.
[3:08:39] Average of approximately a 2500
[3:08:40] 2500 per day.
[3:08:42] Some reported.
[3:08:43] Losses as high as.
[3:08:44] $12,000.
[3:08:45] >> uh and nearly half of the.
[3:08:46] Surveyed businesses.
[3:08:47] >> closed.
[3:08:47] For at least three days.
[3:08:50] Um cmpd.
[3:08:51] Has reportedly.
[3:08:52] Assured residents that it.
[3:08:53] Does not participate in
[3:08:54] planning.
[3:08:55] >> or executing ice.
[3:08:56] >> or cbp operations.
[3:08:57] Thank you.
[3:08:57] >> actually.
[3:08:58] Patterson and.
[3:09:00] Um, the divisions.
[3:09:01] In east east where.
[3:09:02] Independent security grow for
[3:09:03] your.
[3:09:04] Commitment during.
[3:09:05] >> the operation to ensure our
[3:09:06] immigrant.
[3:09:07] Communities were safe.
[3:09:07] However.
[3:09:09] >> after doing some research
[3:09:09] the.
[3:09:11] Model cities.
[3:09:13] Solicitation prioritizes.
[3:09:14] Supporting law enforcement.
[3:09:16] Operations including.
[3:09:17] Immigration enforcement.
[3:09:19] Contains conditions involving.
[3:09:21] dhs access.
[3:09:24] Requires honoring certain dhs
[3:09:25] requests.
[3:09:26] >> and providing requested
[3:09:27] notice.
[3:09:29] So my questions in regards to.
[3:09:30] That can.
[3:09:31] You guarantee in.
[3:09:32] Writing that.
[3:09:33] >> cmpd personnel facilities.
[3:09:35] Databases.
[3:09:36] >> surveillance technology.
[3:09:38] Intelligence and other
[3:09:39] resources will.
[3:09:39] >> never be.
[3:09:40] >> used.
[3:09:41] To support immigration
[3:09:41] enforcement through.
[3:09:42] This agreement?
[3:09:44] I would tell you that under our
[3:09:45] current law where we are not
[3:09:46] compelled.
[3:09:47] To do.
[3:09:47] >> that.
[3:09:48] We are not doing it and.
[3:09:49] >> we.
[3:09:49] Won't do that.
[3:09:50] Uh.
[3:09:52] >> fda directs charlotte to
[3:09:52] provide.
[3:09:54] Assistance that conflicts with
[3:09:55] cmpd current policy can
[3:09:57] charlotte refuse without.
[3:09:58] Losing funding or being.
[3:09:59] Required to repay it?
[3:10:01] That is what we need
[3:10:02] clarification.
[3:10:02] >> and I don't.
[3:10:03] >> know that we have.
[3:10:03] >> the.
[3:10:04] Direct answer to that just yet
[3:10:04] .
[3:10:07] Um, we are asking those
[3:10:07] questions of the.
[3:10:08] Doj so that we can.
[3:10:10] Know better what that means.
[3:10:11] Thank you.
[3:10:13] >> um, and we just.
[3:10:14] Spoke about this.
[3:10:17] Briefly the solicitation um.
[3:10:19] says a participating city could
[3:10:21] be required to reimburse the
[3:10:22] federal government.
[3:10:23] We just spoke about this for.
[3:10:24] A future.
[3:10:25] Intervention following an
[3:10:26] increase in.
[3:10:27] Violent crime or.
[3:10:29] Quote unquote public disorder.
[3:10:30] >> that to.
[3:10:32] Me raises several unanswered
[3:10:33] questions particularly who
[3:10:34] defines quote.
[3:10:35] Unquote public.
[3:10:36] This order.
[3:10:37] Could include.
[3:10:38] Demonstrations.
[3:10:39] >> civil rights.
[3:10:40] Protests or.
[3:10:41] Opposition to.
[3:10:42] >> federal activity.
[3:10:42] Uh who.
[3:10:43] >> decides when.
[3:10:44] Federal intervention.
[3:10:45] Is necessary?
[3:10:47] Who determines what personnel
[3:10:48] resources are deployed?
[3:10:49] Is there.
[3:10:50] >> a maximum amount.
[3:10:52] Can be required to repay.
[3:10:55] And can charlotte taxpayers who
[3:10:56] just.
[3:10:57] Recently saw an increase in.
[3:11:00] Their property taxes be charged
[3:11:00] for an.
[3:11:00] Intervention the.
[3:11:02] >> city did not request and
[3:11:04] does not support and so.
[3:11:07] I and then we you.
[3:11:08] >> all just mentioned.
[3:11:10] We still have.
[3:11:10] >> no.
[3:11:11] Knowledge of terms and.
[3:11:12] Conditions until a warning.
[3:11:15] Which seems like um and I'm now
[3:11:15] I'm talking to my.
[3:11:16] Colleagues.
[3:11:17] That we're.
[3:11:18] Running into.
[3:11:19] With signing agreements.
[3:11:20] that we.
[3:11:21] >> don't know what.
[3:11:21] >> we're.
[3:11:22] Walking into.
[3:11:23] Uh re.
[3:11:25] I-77 that was and.
[3:11:26] So I just don't think.
[3:11:27] We as a city.
[3:11:28] Who is.
[3:11:30] >> welcoming to immigrants and.
[3:11:31] People from.
[3:11:32] >> different backgrounds.
[3:11:34] Should sign a blank check for a
[3:11:34] .
[3:11:35] Future federal.
[3:11:36] >> operation whose.
[3:11:37] Trigger scope.
[3:11:39] And cost have not been defined.
[3:11:40] Um.
[3:11:42] >> this is.
[3:11:43] >> not a.
[3:11:44] >> traditional federal grant as
[3:11:44] .
[3:11:46] The press release has.
[3:11:46] Mentions as.
[3:11:48] Npr, the guardian and other
[3:11:48] news.
[3:11:51] Agencies have reported on.
[3:11:52] It is a cooperative agreement
[3:11:55] that gives doj substantial
[3:11:55] involvement in.
[3:11:57] Charlotte's implementation plan
[3:11:58] the.
[3:11:58] Budget.
[3:12:01] >> the selection of partners,
[3:12:01] program.
[3:12:03] Milestones, potential direction
[3:12:04] over implementation.
[3:12:05] And before any.
[3:12:07] Application submitted.
[3:12:07] And chief.
[3:12:08] Um please.
[3:12:09] Correct me if.
[3:12:10] >> I'm wrong.
[3:12:10] Um.
[3:12:13] >> we we.
[3:12:14] Council would.
[3:12:15] Receive a complete proposed
[3:12:17] application every.
[3:12:18] Letter of support or.
[3:12:21] proposed commitment and a
[3:12:21] written legal analysis
[3:12:22] explaining every obligation
[3:12:23] charlotte would accept.
[3:12:26] We would prepare um information
[3:12:28] to give to you related to the
[3:12:30] grant itself what information
[3:12:30] we.
[3:12:31] Have about some.
[3:12:31] >> of.
[3:12:32] The questions you posed.
[3:12:35] And what we will or not accept
[3:12:36] because at the end of the day
[3:12:36] if charlotte.
[3:12:38] Were to be awarded.
[3:12:40] This grant and it laid out all
[3:12:41] these stipulations like you've.
[3:12:42] Stated like.
[3:12:43] Doctor walton.
[3:12:45] Stated the council member MAY
[3:12:46] feel stated and we were not.
[3:12:46] In agreement.
[3:12:47] >> with.
[3:12:47] That we would.
[3:12:47] >> not.
[3:12:48] Accept these.
[3:12:50] >> funds and I have said that
[3:12:51] repeatedly to our partners and
[3:12:52] everyone else.
[3:12:54] We don't have all those answers
[3:12:54] .
[3:12:55] Unfortunately we won't.
[3:12:57] We're seeking those answers but
[3:12:58] I am clear.
[3:12:58] That we.
[3:12:59] >> would not.
[3:13:01] Accept a grant that goes
[3:13:02] against what we as a.
[3:13:02] City and.
[3:13:02] >> a.
[3:13:03] County feel.
[3:13:04] >> are our values.
[3:13:05] I appreciate that thank you.
[3:13:08] Um, so to my colleagues I want
[3:13:10] us the queen city to.
[3:13:10] >> have.
[3:13:11] The resources.
[3:13:12] Needed to prevent violence.
[3:13:14] And protect our residents.
[3:13:15] Um, we can.
[3:13:16] invest in.
[3:13:17] Youth intervention.
[3:13:19] Uh, victim.
[3:13:20] Services housing.
[3:13:21] Which we will be.
[3:13:22] Meeting tomorrow.
[3:13:23] >> to talk about our housing
[3:13:23] trust.
[3:13:24] >> fund policy.
[3:13:25] And accountable.
[3:13:26] Community policing.
[3:13:27] We can.
[3:13:28] Make those investments.
[3:13:29] But I.
[3:13:30] Believe we can make them
[3:13:31] without giving the.
[3:13:32] Federal government undefined.
[3:13:33] Authority over.
[3:13:34] >> our residents.
[3:13:37] And charlotte has already
[3:13:37] experienced.
[3:13:38] >> what happens when a.
[3:13:39] Federal surge enters.
[3:13:40] Our community.
[3:13:41] Memphis and.
[3:13:44] Washington provide those.
[3:13:44] Additional warnings.
[3:13:45] About how.
[3:13:47] >> federalized and militarized
[3:13:47] operations.
[3:13:48] >> can.
[3:13:48] Escalate.
[3:13:50] >> and charlotte should not
[3:13:50] have to.
[3:13:50] Choose between.
[3:13:52] Federal dollars and the rights
[3:13:52] .
[3:13:54] Safety, dignity and trust of.
[3:13:54] Our residents.
[3:13:56] And so unless.
[3:13:57] >> we get.
[3:13:59] Clear written and legal
[3:13:59] binding.
[3:14:01] Answers regarding immigration,
[3:14:01] um enforcement.
[3:14:03] Federal control, national.
[3:14:04] Guard deployment.
[3:14:07] Information sharing, civil
[3:14:07] rights.
[3:14:08] Protections, financial
[3:14:08] liability.
[3:14:10] And charlotte's ability to
[3:14:11] withdraw without penalty.
[3:14:11] I cannot.
[3:14:13] Support moving forward with
[3:14:14] this application.
[3:14:14] Thank you.
[3:14:15] Thank you.
[3:14:16] >> council member MR. Arias.
[3:14:20] Um again this is a first read
[3:14:21] of this or first.
[3:14:24] A preview of this uh, council
[3:14:25] member owens next.
[3:14:26] Thank you.
[3:14:27] >> mayor, I appreciate you.
[3:14:28] I.
[3:14:29] >> um I.
[3:14:29] >> just want.
[3:14:29] To.
[3:14:30] Speak for my.
[3:14:30] Colleagues who were.
[3:14:31] >> not at.
[3:14:33] >> the safety committee meeting
[3:14:33] .
[3:14:33] I did.
[3:14:34] Elevate some.
[3:14:35] >> concerns that I had.
[3:14:36] That I.
[3:14:36] >> was I.
[3:14:37] Was graced.
[3:14:38] With.
[3:14:38] .
[3:14:39] Um with.
[3:14:42] Chair anderson's, um, good
[3:14:42] discretion in.
[3:14:43] >> letting.
[3:14:43] Me ask a couple.
[3:14:44] >> of.
[3:14:44] Questions even.
[3:14:45] >> though I'm not on.
[3:14:45] >> that.
[3:14:45] Committee and.
[3:14:46] >> the.
[3:14:47] Response of, um.
[3:14:48] My residents.
[3:14:50] With respect to the questions.
[3:14:51] >> that I put into the room.
[3:14:52] >> is why.
[3:14:52] >> I have.
[3:14:53] >> some.
[3:14:53] confidence bringing these here.
[3:14:54] Before you.
[3:14:55] Um.
[3:14:56] >> one of the comments that I
[3:14:56] made.
[3:14:58] During the initial presentation
[3:14:58] to.
[3:14:58] >> the.
[3:14:59] Safety committee.
[3:15:00] Was around.
[3:15:01] Um.
[3:15:02] >> my concern.
[3:15:03] That um.
[3:15:04] There seems to be.
[3:15:05] A lot.
[3:15:06] >> of.
[3:15:07] Energy around.
[3:15:09] Data collection.
[3:15:10] And the use of data.
[3:15:11] And we've already seen.
[3:15:12] Through a.
[3:15:13] >> number.
[3:15:13] Of of.
[3:15:13] Um.
[3:15:14] >> really unfortunate.
[3:15:16] Misuses of.
[3:15:17] >> flock data.
[3:15:20] Misuses of systems that exist
[3:15:21] that store.
[3:15:22] Um our.
[3:15:25] Comings and goings around our
[3:15:25] cities.
[3:15:25] Um.
[3:15:26] >> you know.
[3:15:27] >> I, I.
[3:15:28] >> wanted to raise.
[3:15:28] >> that.
[3:15:29] Into the room because while I
[3:15:31] am very supportive of a number
[3:15:33] of the elements of.
[3:15:33] >> these.
[3:15:34] Seven items that have been.
[3:15:35] Listed for.
[3:15:36] Us that are.
[3:15:36] Supposed to.
[3:15:37] >> be.
[3:15:37] The.
[3:15:37] Hallmarks of.
[3:15:38] >> what would be part of.
[3:15:39] Your plan.
[3:15:40] .
[3:15:41] >> I am unsupportive.
[3:15:42] Of a.
[3:15:44] Continued um.
[3:15:46] Collection of data uh.
[3:15:47] Just fairly.
[3:15:50] Blindly uh, against all of our
[3:15:51] citizens and the access.
[3:15:52] That that data.
[3:15:52] Um.
[3:15:54] >> provides to either.
[3:15:55] Federal law.
[3:15:56] Enforcement or.
[3:15:56] As has.
[3:15:58] Been shown with cmpd.
[3:15:58] >> and.
[3:15:59] Other officers, misuse.
[3:16:01] Of that data.
[3:16:01] >> that gives me.
[3:16:02] Great pause.
[3:16:03] And so I did.
[3:16:04] Elevate that into the room.
[3:16:07] In addition to the ice concerns
[3:16:07] that have already.
[3:16:08] >> been.
[3:16:09] Raised by my colleagues, I
[3:16:10] would simply.
[3:16:11] Say on this.
[3:16:13] Point that um.
[3:16:13] One of the.
[3:16:14] >> things that gave me.
[3:16:16] The most pause from the
[3:16:18] presentation was any
[3:16:19] descriptions of the ability I
[3:16:21] believe it's this is a very.
[3:16:22] Tiny slide but I believe.
[3:16:23] >> it says in here.
[3:16:25] To predict.
[3:16:27] Crime and I.
[3:16:28] Just want to.
[3:16:28] >> be very.
[3:16:31] Clear that I understand um.
[3:16:31] Uh.
[3:16:33] >> what we mean.
[3:16:34] By that and what.
[3:16:35] We are doing with.
[3:16:36] The data.
[3:16:37] That we.
[3:16:38] Would be.
[3:16:39] >> getting in.
[3:16:40] >> addition to what we.
[3:16:40] Already have.
[3:16:43] That would be in furtherance of
[3:16:44] predicting crime.
[3:16:45] Can you can you speak to that
[3:16:45] element.
[3:16:48] And how much of your grant
[3:16:50] application would involve
[3:16:50] predicting.
[3:16:50] Crime as.
[3:16:51] Opposed to.
[3:16:52] Some of.
[3:16:52] >> the.
[3:16:53] Things like I've been.
[3:16:54] Told the katy blessing center
[3:16:54] might.
[3:16:55] >> get more.
[3:16:56] Money for mental health.
[3:16:57] That obviously.
[3:16:57] >> is.
[3:16:58] A net good.
[3:16:59] >> but.
[3:16:59] Help me.
[3:17:00] >> understand your percentages
[3:17:00] .
[3:17:02] Sure and.
[3:17:03] We would ask for probably a
[3:17:05] minimal amount for predictive
[3:17:07] analysis kinds of things.
[3:17:09] What we do is with crime is we
[3:17:10] gather data about where it's
[3:17:11] occurring, where the.
[3:17:12] Hotspots are located and then.
[3:17:13] We know.
[3:17:13] Where to.
[3:17:14] >> effectively deploy.
[3:17:15] Our resources.
[3:17:17] >> um, similar like to the.
[3:17:18] Corridors of opportunity.
[3:17:20] So that is what we do primarily
[3:17:22] is is data collection and we're
[3:17:23] asking to be able to expand
[3:17:25] that so that we can have more
[3:17:26] analysts who are looking at
[3:17:28] that data and being able to
[3:17:29] determine where the crime is
[3:17:30] occurring and where we should.
[3:17:31] Have our resources.
[3:17:33] For instance, we're asking for
[3:17:35] a more analyst for our crime
[3:17:35] gun.
[3:17:37] Unit also for our.
[3:17:38] Rapid dna unit.
[3:17:39] Again, these are just.
[3:17:39] >> people.
[3:17:40] Who are going to process.
[3:17:43] Information and help us to
[3:17:44] understand where crime is.
[3:17:46] We are not we have not had any
[3:17:47] discussions I don't believe in
[3:17:49] kelly can help me out of.
[3:17:50] Any devices.
[3:17:51] >> that are.
[3:17:51] Just like a.
[3:17:54] Predictive analysis, um kind of
[3:17:54] thing.
[3:17:57] I remember very clearly having
[3:17:59] something like that um, in 2010
[3:18:00] ,uh, under.
[3:18:00] >> chief.
[3:18:02] Monroe and we have kind of
[3:18:03] moved away from that now it's
[3:18:05] more just about data collection
[3:18:06] and knowing where to put our.
[3:18:07] Resources effectively.
[3:18:08] Thank you.
[3:18:09] >> chief, if I.
[3:18:09] >> can.
[3:18:10] Continue I just.
[3:18:10] Um I've.
[3:18:12] Received some information.
[3:18:13] Some from again some of my
[3:18:15] constituents who have been very
[3:18:15] concerned.
[3:18:16] >> about the use of block.
[3:18:18] Cameras particularly.
[3:18:18] Um.
[3:18:19] >> an.
[3:18:20] Expansion of.
[3:18:22] The network.
[3:18:23] Of cameras.
[3:18:24] >> that would exist in
[3:18:24] charlotte.
[3:18:25] And they've.
[3:18:26] Cited for.
[3:18:27] >> me and I have not done.
[3:18:27] >> my.
[3:18:28] Own research.
[3:18:28] On this.
[3:18:29] >> so my apologies if this
[3:18:30] seems off.
[3:18:31] >> it seems to be well
[3:18:31] supported in.
[3:18:32] Some of the journalism that.
[3:18:33] I've been handed.
[3:18:34] But the.
[3:18:35] Experience in.
[3:18:36] >> atlanta where.
[3:18:37] They've got.
[3:18:39] 28,000 integrated cameras.
[3:18:40] A number.
[3:18:40] >> of.
[3:18:41] The headlines that.
[3:18:42] I've been provided.
[3:18:42] Suggest that.
[3:18:43] That has.
[3:18:44] >> not improved the city's.
[3:18:46] Crime clearance rates.
[3:18:47] Could you speak to your
[3:18:48] thoughts on that if you have.
[3:18:48] Any or.
[3:18:49] >> if not we can.
[3:18:50] Comment later.
[3:18:51] But as.
[3:18:53] It pertains to flat cameras so
[3:18:54] we don't own any flock cameras
[3:18:56] at cmpd we have access to the
[3:18:56] data.
[3:18:57] But we do not own any flock
[3:18:58] cameras.
[3:18:59] My experience have been with
[3:18:59] cameras.
[3:19:01] They um do well for a city.
[3:19:02] They do well for.
[3:19:03] Crime reduction because that's
[3:19:06] more eyes and ears um in
[3:19:07] various places and that's why
[3:19:09] we have been asking with our
[3:19:10] fuzes or our connect charlotte
[3:19:12] to have more cameras connected.
[3:19:12] >> I think.
[3:19:13] We've been able we have
[3:19:14] examples where we have solved
[3:19:16] crime as a result of having
[3:19:17] those cameras in place.
[3:19:19] Um we do not have flock cameras
[3:19:21] for a reason, but having access
[3:19:23] to that data does help us to
[3:19:24] determine where crime is
[3:19:25] occurring and who's responsible
[3:19:26] for that crime.
[3:19:26] >> when.
[3:19:27] We can.
[3:19:27] >> put.
[3:19:27] The pieces together.
[3:19:28] So if this grant.
[3:19:29] >> were awarded.
[3:19:30] >> would.
[3:19:30] There be.
[3:19:31] >> an expansion.
[3:19:31] >> in.
[3:19:31] Your mind.
[3:19:32] Of our.
[3:19:34] Alpr technology?
[3:19:35] We would probably use some.
[3:19:37] For it because there is value
[3:19:40] in our um lpr but we are
[3:19:41] wanting to use.
[3:19:42] Um specifically.
[3:19:44] To for our evidence management
[3:19:44] system.
[3:19:45] >> to expand.
[3:19:47] It for our camera camera
[3:19:48] trailers so that we can do
[3:19:49] speed enforcement.
[3:19:51] Our consolidated cad which is
[3:19:52] with our fire department that
[3:19:53] is something they have asked
[3:19:53] for.
[3:19:55] That's the technology that.
[3:19:55] >> we're.
[3:19:56] Seeking with these.
[3:19:58] Dollars also to evidence
[3:19:59] sharing platforms so that we
[3:19:59] can.
[3:20:00] Move cases along.
[3:20:00] With the.
[3:20:01] District attorney's.
[3:20:03] Office and with our other law
[3:20:03] enforcement partners.
[3:20:05] These are some of the areas we
[3:20:07] want to make the investments in
[3:20:07] the.
[3:20:09] Technology also to our cyber
[3:20:11] crime unit, our internet
[3:20:12] platform because we have so
[3:20:13] much data that's always coming
[3:20:15] in from phones as they store
[3:20:16] more information we.
[3:20:16] >> need.
[3:20:17] to.
[3:20:17] Be able.
[3:20:18] >> when we see that as evidence
[3:20:19] to be able to get that
[3:20:20] information.
[3:20:21] So these are the these are
[3:20:22] things that we have in place.
[3:20:24] We want to expand them as our
[3:20:25] city is.
[3:20:27] Growing resources are moving
[3:20:28] faster and the fact.
[3:20:30] That we can't keep.
[3:20:30] >> up.
[3:20:31] With it as it is.
[3:20:32] So in.
[3:20:33] This grant we.
[3:20:33] >> were.
[3:20:34] Awarded dollars we'd want to
[3:20:35] use them in.
[3:20:35] Those areas.
[3:20:36] >> of technology.
[3:20:37] >> and there's others.
[3:20:38] >> as well.
[3:20:39] I don't know if kelly wants to
[3:20:39] chime in.
[3:20:39] >> but.
[3:20:41] These are the main ones that I
[3:20:41] know you.
[3:20:43] Okay with with respect chief
[3:20:43] and.
[3:20:44] I really don't want to.
[3:20:45] Substitute my.
[3:20:46] My judgment.
[3:20:46] >> for yours.
[3:20:47] I'll simply say.
[3:20:48] That I'm I'm elevating.
[3:20:50] >> the concerns of our citizens
[3:20:51] who feel as.
[3:20:51] Though there are a lot.
[3:20:53] Of potential.
[3:20:53] Um.
[3:20:56] >> downfalls to an increased
[3:20:57] reliance, particularly.
[3:20:59] Around any.
[3:21:00] >> sort of predictive
[3:21:00] analytics, particularly.
[3:21:01] Around the.
[3:21:03] Retention of.
[3:21:04] Otherwise law.
[3:21:06] Abiding citizens comings and
[3:21:06] goings.
[3:21:07] And the.
[3:21:09] Ability of folks who do.
[3:21:10] Not need to have.
[3:21:11] Access to that data to.
[3:21:13] Continue to access it.
[3:21:14] So I would not be.
[3:21:14] >> in.
[3:21:16] Favor of anything.
[3:21:16] >> that would.
[3:21:17] Increase that.
[3:21:19] Spend on technology.
[3:21:20] Some of the other aspects.
[3:21:21] >> you know.
[3:21:21] Particularly around.
[3:21:22] >> mental.
[3:21:23] Health if you were.
[3:21:23] >> to.
[3:21:24] Advance a mental health.
[3:21:24] Program.
[3:21:26] >> I would be very hard pressed
[3:21:27] to say that I would.
[3:21:27] >> not.
[3:21:29] Delight in having.
[3:21:30] 75 million.
[3:21:30] >> or.
[3:21:31] 150.
[3:21:31] Million to put into mental
[3:21:32] health and some of the other.
[3:21:33] Aspects of.
[3:21:35] Quality community policing.
[3:21:35] Um.
[3:21:37] >> I'll I'll end simply by.
[3:21:38] Saying that.
[3:21:38] One of.
[3:21:39] >> my.
[3:21:40] Concerns with this and.
[3:21:40] I tried.
[3:21:41] >> to articulate this.
[3:21:42] Earlier but.
[3:21:43] I hear you say that you
[3:21:46] wouldn't accept it but
[3:21:46] acceptance of this.
[3:21:47] Grant feels.
[3:21:47] To me.
[3:21:48] >> that it would.
[3:21:49] Put the.
[3:21:49] Potential for a real.
[3:21:50] Target on.
[3:21:52] Charlotte if we were to decide
[3:21:52] later on.
[3:21:53] Not to accept it.
[3:21:54] After applying.
[3:21:55] I fear.
[3:21:56] That that.
[3:21:57] Would make us.
[3:21:58] Appear to.
[3:22:00] Be a scofflaw.
[3:22:01] Of of.
[3:22:04] Violent crime prevention um
[3:22:05] strategies and that is nothing
[3:22:06] could be further.
[3:22:07] From the truth.
[3:22:07] None of us.
[3:22:09] Wants to see an increase in.
[3:22:09] Violent crime.
[3:22:11] And all of us want to enable
[3:22:12] you to do that.
[3:22:15] My my my concern.
[3:22:15] >> though is that.
[3:22:17] Enabling you to seek this grant
[3:22:19] that we set ourselves up for
[3:22:21] some some tentacles that we're
[3:22:22] just not fully appreciative of
[3:22:23] .
[3:22:24] So I um.
[3:22:25] I'm cautiously.
[3:22:26] Optimistic that we can get to a
[3:22:28] better spot on this but thank
[3:22:29] you.
[3:22:29] >> thank you council member.
[3:22:31] O and um, council.
[3:22:33] Member um driggs.
[3:22:35] >> and then council member
[3:22:35] johnson.
[3:22:36] Thank you.
[3:22:36] Mayor.
[3:22:38] Uh, it's interesting to me that
[3:22:39] this conversation is actually
[3:22:41] quite different from the one we
[3:22:41] had in committee.
[3:22:42] Um.
[3:22:45] My initial impression was, uh
[3:22:45] wow.
[3:22:46] You know, an opportunity to
[3:22:48] make a huge investment in
[3:22:50] safety at no cost to local
[3:22:50] taxpayers.
[3:22:51] Sounds great.
[3:22:52] Um.
[3:22:53] >> but, uh.
[3:22:56] There are strings attached in
[3:22:56] the way.
[3:22:57] They presented.
[3:22:58] So.
[3:22:58] Uh.
[3:23:00] >> chief, I guess what I would
[3:23:01] say to you is I still hope that
[3:23:01] we.
[3:23:02] >> can.
[3:23:02] Get the benefit.
[3:23:04] Of an improvement.
[3:23:05] >> in safety and no cost to
[3:23:06] local taxpayers.
[3:23:07] Uh, but I think.
[3:23:08] What you're.
[3:23:09] >> hearing here is that we.
[3:23:09] >> have.
[3:23:12] Our strings to, uh.
[3:23:13] And so, uh, the.
[3:23:14] Question to you then.
[3:23:15] As you.
[3:23:16] >> listen to.
[3:23:16] >> what.
[3:23:16] You're being.
[3:23:18] >> told is, uh, I do you.
[3:23:19] Remain confident.
[3:23:22] That you can uphold the, uh,
[3:23:23] values of charlotte.
[3:23:26] And push back against
[3:23:27] interference in our conduct of
[3:23:29] our affairs if we accept this
[3:23:29] money?
[3:23:30] Um.
[3:23:33] >> so, uh, I hope that we won't
[3:23:34] kill this now.
[3:23:36] I hope that we will.
[3:23:38] Uh that we will continue to.
[3:23:41] Explore this and, uh, that we
[3:23:42] will potentially get the
[3:23:44] benefit if successful which is
[3:23:46] not assured but that uh that we
[3:23:48] will uh hopefully get the
[3:23:50] benefit of uh.
[3:23:51] Uh.
[3:23:52] ,investments that really
[3:23:53] further.
[3:23:54] Your purpose.
[3:23:55] And align with what.
[3:23:55] We want.
[3:23:56] .
[3:23:57] >> and so and.
[3:23:59] For now I guess I would just
[3:24:01] say to you, uh, I hope for you
[3:24:02] taking away from this is the
[3:24:03] fact that you need to look
[3:24:05] harder at what you know, what
[3:24:07] they expect to get out of this
[3:24:07] .
[3:24:10] Uh, I would express a personal
[3:24:12] concern that this gets
[3:24:12] political.
[3:24:13] Uh.
[3:24:14] >> given that.
[3:24:15] >> it's coming from the federal
[3:24:15] government.
[3:24:18] Um, and so I wouldn't want us
[3:24:18] to get drawn.
[3:24:19] Into any.
[3:24:20] Sort of, um.
[3:24:22] Uh.
[3:24:24] >> representation of this grant
[3:24:26] and of the partners in this
[3:24:28] grant by uh, anybody at the
[3:24:29] federal level.
[3:24:31] I do have one question about
[3:24:32] the.
[3:24:32] Funding thing.
[3:24:34] Uh, given the nature of the
[3:24:35] investments that are allowed
[3:24:37] here assuming we got this.
[3:24:37] Is it.
[3:24:39] >> possible that we could make
[3:24:40] substantial.
[3:24:42] Investments in in uh in capital
[3:24:44] goods technology and things
[3:24:44] like that.
[3:24:46] During the three.
[3:24:46] Years and.
[3:24:47] >> then.
[3:24:48] Actually have a reduced rate,
[3:24:49] a.
[3:24:50] Reduced need for.
[3:24:51] Additional funding after the
[3:24:53] three years just to sustain
[3:24:54] those operations.
[3:24:55] So uh.
[3:24:57] If there is.
[3:24:58] >> a way if if this is
[3:25:00] something we want to do, can we
[3:25:01] kind of front loaded in such a
[3:25:03] way that the the need that we
[3:25:03] have doesn't.
[3:25:05] >> have to equal.
[3:25:06] The amount of the grant but
[3:25:08] that we could continue making
[3:25:08] that the.
[3:25:09] Grant funded.
[3:25:11] Uh at a lower continuing
[3:25:12] operating cost.
[3:25:13] So I'd be interested to know
[3:25:14] the answer to that because
[3:25:16] there is definitely a concern
[3:25:17] about the budget impact in year
[3:25:17] for.
[3:25:19] Sure and that and that is fair.
[3:25:20] Thank you for that.
[3:25:22] I would say that oftentimes we
[3:25:23] find that the start up of
[3:25:24] something is more substantial
[3:25:26] or more expensive than to
[3:25:27] maintain it.
[3:25:28] So that would be something we
[3:25:28] would look at.
[3:25:30] And I do want to just address
[3:25:31] your first point, which I have
[3:25:32] to say I'm deeply.
[3:25:33] Appreciative of.
[3:25:34] >> all.
[3:25:34] The concerns that have been
[3:25:36] expressed everything that your
[3:25:37] each council member has.
[3:25:38] >> brought to light.
[3:25:39] These are things that um will
[3:25:41] weigh on us and I want to make
[3:25:42] sure that we are being
[3:25:43] responsible with any.
[3:25:44] Decisions that we make.
[3:25:46] But I just stand firm on my
[3:25:46] position.
[3:25:47] That I would not.
[3:25:47] >> put.
[3:25:48] Our.
[3:25:48] City in.
[3:25:50] Jeopardy or our county and that
[3:25:52] we would bring everything to
[3:25:54] you in writing as we are able
[3:25:56] to really get these answers out
[3:25:57] and if we are not in agreement
[3:25:57] with.
[3:25:58] it we would.
[3:25:58] >> not move forward.
[3:26:00] And I want to tell you.
[3:26:01] Personally that I would be.
[3:26:01] Very inclined.
[3:26:02] >> to back you up.
[3:26:04] On your uh on the outcome.
[3:26:06] Uh, we just heard some things
[3:26:06] here.
[3:26:07] >> that do.
[3:26:08] Require further thought.
[3:26:09] Thank you sir.
[3:26:10] Councilmember johnson.
[3:26:12] Thank you MR. Mayor.
[3:26:13] You know when a person.
[3:26:13] Shows you.
[3:26:15] >> who they are the first time
[3:26:16] you have to believe them.
[3:26:17] So we.
[3:26:18] >> know that.
[3:26:18] A trump.
[3:26:21] Bill that.
[3:26:22] >> says make cities.
[3:26:23] Great again.
[3:26:23] .
[3:26:23] >> what that.
[3:26:24] Make a.
[3:26:25] >> man made.
[3:26:26] Yeah what.
[3:26:27] That entails.
[3:26:28] And then.
[3:26:30] >> todd blanch is the.
[3:26:31] The attorney general.
[3:26:31] >> I.
[3:26:32] Mean the.
[3:26:34] The grant specifically or.
[3:26:35] >> it says.
[3:26:38] That we have to comply with.
[3:26:39] Different federal regulations.
[3:26:41] One of the things the.
[3:26:42] >> city attorney said there's.
[3:26:43] No affirmative.
[3:26:45] Duty to do what to report to.
[3:26:47] .
[3:26:48] Um where is she.
[3:26:49] Like report.
[3:26:51] To ice.
[3:26:52] Is that it?
[3:26:52] Is it.
[3:26:54] >> there's no affirmative duty
[3:26:55] or obligation for.
[3:26:55] >> the.
[3:26:58] City to share information with.
[3:26:59] Ice or federal.
[3:27:00] Immigration based on.
[3:27:00] >> the.
[3:27:01] Application or acceptance.
[3:27:02] Of is there a.
[3:27:03] Response?
[3:27:05] I'm sorry.
[3:27:06] Can you repeat.
[3:27:06] >> that a.
[3:27:07] Responsive duty there's.
[3:27:07] No affirmative duty.
[3:27:08] >> but is.
[3:27:09] There do we know.
[3:27:09] >> if.
[3:27:09] There's any.
[3:27:10] Duty to.
[3:27:11] >> report the information?
[3:27:13] So as part of these.
[3:27:14] Federal grants there could be
[3:27:15] clauses.
[3:27:17] That state if requested cmpd.
[3:27:17] >> of the.
[3:27:18] City of charlotte would have
[3:27:18] to.
[3:27:20] Cooperate with federal
[3:27:21] immigration entities.
[3:27:21] Um.
[3:27:22] >> there's no.
[3:27:23] >> details on what that.
[3:27:25] Cooperation looks.
[3:27:27] >> like as the application is.
[3:27:27] Drafted currently.
[3:27:28] The city would.
[3:27:29] Not have to.
[3:27:29] >> change any of.
[3:27:30] >> its.
[3:27:32] Current policies.
[3:27:33] Regarding immigration.
[3:27:34] And ice that we currently.
[3:27:35] >> have.
[3:27:35] In place.
[3:27:36] Um.
[3:27:37] What that means is that right
[3:27:37] now.
[3:27:38] >> we do.
[3:27:39] >> not have any city.
[3:27:41] Policies that require employees
[3:27:41] .
[3:27:42] To violate.
[3:27:42] Federal law.
[3:27:43] >> and you could.
[3:27:44] >> keep that the same.
[3:27:46] I my.
[3:27:47] Colleagues have made some great
[3:27:48] points.
[3:27:48] I agree.
[3:27:49] With council member.
[3:27:50] Owens if we.
[3:27:51] It's only there's.
[3:27:54] Only 2 or 4 cities in the whole
[3:27:54] nation.
[3:27:55] That are going to be.
[3:27:56] Awarded this if we.
[3:27:57] >> get this grant and then.
[3:28:01] Rescind again right or within
[3:28:02] that's going to be problematic.
[3:28:03] And I think we.
[3:28:04] >> as a council.
[3:28:06] Have to learn lessons.
[3:28:07] From some of the decisions
[3:28:08] we've already made without.
[3:28:10] Enough information.
[3:28:11] >> let's think data centers.
[3:28:13] I have.
[3:28:14] >> a two point 5,000,000 square
[3:28:15] foot.
[3:28:16] Data center in the university
[3:28:17] area because.
[3:28:19] >> we made a decision without
[3:28:19] enough.
[3:28:21] Information I 77 we're looking
[3:28:23] at a $64 million.
[3:28:24] Penalty because.
[3:28:25] >> we have information.
[3:28:27] >> we listen to our our
[3:28:28] constituents.
[3:28:29] And uh.
[3:28:30] >> it's a problem when.
[3:28:30] >> we.
[3:28:30] Do that.
[3:28:33] We've received hundreds of
[3:28:33] emails.
[3:28:33] >> just.
[3:28:34] Since we've been sitting here
[3:28:34] tonight.
[3:28:35] So I think.
[3:28:36] >> that we.
[3:28:36] have learned.
[3:28:37] >> the lesson and.
[3:28:37] >> I won't.
[3:28:39] Say bank of america where.
[3:28:40] >> it's.
[3:28:40] Listed as.
[3:28:41] >> one of.
[3:28:42] The worst economic development
[3:28:42] .
[3:28:45] Deals in 2024 where we made the
[3:28:47] decision without details.
[3:28:47] So council.
[3:28:51] We have to learn from our past
[3:28:52] mistakes.
[3:28:53] And so I.
[3:28:54] >> won't be supporting this.
[3:28:55] >> it seems.
[3:28:55] Like we.
[3:28:56] >> have six.
[3:28:58] Council members that are
[3:28:58] prepared today.
[3:29:00] Not to move forward.
[3:29:02] Um so.
[3:29:03] MR. Manager I.
[3:29:04] >> would like.
[3:29:06] To make a motion or.
[3:29:07] No I won't do it.
[3:29:08] Never mind.
[3:29:08] Sorry.
[3:29:08] I think.
[3:29:10] >> he got.
[3:29:10] >> okay.
[3:29:10] .
[3:29:11] >> all right.
[3:29:14] I think that we, uh are we.
[3:29:16] Also we've got two more council
[3:29:19] members who asked to be heard.
[3:29:19] Seriously?
[3:29:20] Obviously serious.
[3:29:21] Questions being raised.
[3:29:23] This is.
[3:29:24] A preview.
[3:29:24] Um.
[3:29:26] >> we'll see where this goes
[3:29:26] from here.
[3:29:27] But.
[3:29:29] >> uh, councilmember.
[3:29:29] Johnson.
[3:29:30] >> are you good?
[3:29:31] Um I'm fine.
[3:29:32] i just again those.
[3:29:32] Three we.
[3:29:33] >> have to think.
[3:29:35] About the decisions we've
[3:29:35] already made.
[3:29:37] And how this applies, how we
[3:29:38] move forward.
[3:29:40] >> and MR. Manager, I really.
[3:29:42] Really would like to change the
[3:29:43] culture where we're not getting
[3:29:45] the information we have the
[3:29:46] answers to our questions.
[3:29:48] Before it's presented to
[3:29:48] council.
[3:29:49] No, I.
[3:29:49] >> think.
[3:29:52] That when is it coming back.
[3:29:52] To council?
[3:29:55] When is this coming back to
[3:29:55] council?
[3:29:56] >> it's not on a.
[3:29:56] Agenda.
[3:30:00] >> thank you, MR. Mayor.
[3:30:01] Uh I think council member
[3:30:03] drakes is right this
[3:30:04] conversation is different from
[3:30:06] the the committee meeting
[3:30:08] because now we have details
[3:30:10] right that we didn't have.
[3:30:12] Two weeks ago and it's called
[3:30:12] research.
[3:30:15] Um uh, that we were not able to
[3:30:17] do when we get when we saw the
[3:30:19] the presentation before.
[3:30:21] Chief patterson, this is not
[3:30:22] about you, right?
[3:30:24] It's not about trust and
[3:30:24] confidence in you.
[3:30:26] It's trust and confidence with
[3:30:27] our federal partners.
[3:30:29] Let's be blunt about it right
[3:30:31] and right.
[3:30:34] Um, and once upon a time cities
[3:30:35] and states with but roll.
[3:30:36] >> over.
[3:30:38] Backwards to do business with
[3:30:40] the federal government because
[3:30:42] they trust a partner they had
[3:30:44] confidence in the partner uh
[3:30:46] they had confidence that is a
[3:30:48] relationship built on trust and
[3:30:48] confidence.
[3:30:49] Uh, what you're hearing today
[3:30:52] is there's still confidence
[3:30:53] that they will keep their word
[3:30:53] .
[3:30:54] Um.
[3:30:55] >> that they will do what they
[3:30:56] said they're going to do.
[3:30:58] I will just make it up as they
[3:30:59] go along.
[3:31:00] And so I think the questions
[3:31:02] that's been asked tonight is
[3:31:03] legitimate for sure.
[3:31:05] The research my colleagues have
[3:31:07] done and I support it in the
[3:31:09] committee and as soon as I got
[3:31:10] to my car.
[3:31:13] Someone called me and said um
[3:31:16] uh proceed with caution, read
[3:31:18] the details and and sent me
[3:31:18] information.
[3:31:20] And so I kind of.
[3:31:22] Kind of got the initial
[3:31:24] presentation.
[3:31:24] All of it is good.
[3:31:27] Council member wanted is pretty
[3:31:27] similar to the.
[3:31:28] >> continuum we.
[3:31:29] >> shouldn't.
[3:31:30] Care we had a year a year ago
[3:31:31] right where.
[3:31:31] >> we.
[3:31:32] Got all.
[3:31:33] >> the agencies working
[3:31:35] together, all the department
[3:31:36] was the city's responsibility,
[3:31:38] the county's responsibility
[3:31:40] mental health, substance abuse
[3:31:41] all good things.
[3:31:43] You know the federal government
[3:31:45] wants to give us $20 million to
[3:31:46] execute it.
[3:31:46] Fine.
[3:31:49] We can we trust them.
[3:31:52] It's a valid question.
[3:31:54] Council member graham thank you
[3:31:54] for.
[3:31:55] >> that perspective.
[3:31:58] So I don't know if you can
[3:32:00] answer maybe any questions by
[3:32:01] SEPTEMBER 1st.
[3:32:04] Your large task.
[3:32:05] I don't know.
[3:32:08] All very legitimate and some
[3:32:10] you can't because you got the
[3:32:11] policy and then you got the.
[3:32:11] Politics.
[3:32:16] >> and um if you tell the.
[3:32:20] There's just no trust.
[3:32:23] Yes.
[3:32:24] >> duly noted.
[3:32:24] Thank you.
[3:32:25] >> council member.
[3:32:26] Council councilmember graham
[3:32:27] you done.
[3:32:29] Councilmember I.
[3:32:30] >> said it all.
[3:32:30] Thank you.
[3:32:31] Thank you mayor.
[3:32:34] And um chief and team thank you
[3:32:35] for the presentation.
[3:32:37] And uh colleagues, thank you
[3:32:39] for some really, really great
[3:32:40] robust questions.
[3:32:41] Um.
[3:32:42] >> that I think are.
[3:32:44] Really important and they all.
[3:32:46] Deserve full.
[3:32:47] Full answers.
[3:32:49] Uh, I think the task of what
[3:32:50] chief has before her.
[3:32:51] And trying to.
[3:32:54] Answer any questions is she
[3:32:55] might be able to answer a
[3:32:57] percentage of them now, but
[3:32:59] quite frankly probably until
[3:33:01] there's an advancement of a
[3:33:02] next round.
[3:33:03] >> in the.
[3:33:04] Grant where there's additional
[3:33:04] .
[3:33:06] Details you MAY or MAY not I
[3:33:07] don't want to speak.
[3:33:07] >> for you.
[3:33:08] >> but.
[3:33:09] You MAY or MAY not have that
[3:33:11] information around what would
[3:33:11] be.
[3:33:13] The real.
[3:33:16] stickiness to um.
[3:33:18] What are the affirmative duties
[3:33:19] ?
[3:33:19] Right.
[3:33:20] Um so.
[3:33:23] I'll leave that in.
[3:33:23] Your court.
[3:33:24] >> to figure out what she can
[3:33:25] answer.
[3:33:26] What she can answer.
[3:33:28] I will say that, um, some of
[3:33:31] these anticipatory questions.
[3:33:31] Um.
[3:33:34] >> regarding affirmative duty
[3:33:37] and, um, how we would take care
[3:33:39] of these things if we were
[3:33:40] advanced, etc. This sort of a
[3:33:44] mixed bucket between sustained
[3:33:44] sources.
[3:33:46] So actually ftes and sources
[3:33:48] that we'd have to.
[3:33:49] Uh.
[3:33:50] >> individually take.
[3:33:52] On after a three year window
[3:33:54] and then some accelerating
[3:33:56] opportunities to invest in
[3:33:57] spaces where we might not have
[3:33:58] capital in.
[3:34:00] Our in our budget or.
[3:34:01] Might not want to.
[3:34:02] >> put that burden on
[3:34:03] taxpayers.
[3:34:03] >> and so.
[3:34:05] Certainly you have that in the
[3:34:06] mix that you are.
[3:34:07] Are putting.
[3:34:09] Forward um, all the concerns
[3:34:11] around ice I think are
[3:34:13] extremely valid but also um.
[3:34:15] We did have an event in our
[3:34:18] community um, just a short
[3:34:21] while ago and we did stand true
[3:34:23] to what the chief said in terms
[3:34:23] .
[3:34:25] Of abiding by the law but
[3:34:25] making.
[3:34:26] Sure that.
[3:34:28] If it's not within our purview
[3:34:31] we don't participate in those
[3:34:31] activities.
[3:34:32] there are.
[3:34:34] Other entities that do that and
[3:34:37] I think I commend cmpd for
[3:34:38] executing themselves very.
[3:34:39] Well during.
[3:34:41] That um, small window of time
[3:34:42] but.
[3:34:42] Very, very.
[3:34:44] Difficult period of time.
[3:34:45] Within our city.
[3:34:46] We always want to be a
[3:34:48] welcoming city and protect our
[3:34:49] immigrant.
[3:34:51] Community who just make us more
[3:34:52] more um, beautiful.
[3:34:52] >> and.
[3:34:54] Diverse overall.
[3:34:56] >> in a better city.
[3:34:58] Uh, then the portion I'll say
[3:34:59] is just sort of connected to
[3:35:02] this technology piece um, that
[3:35:04] we've talked about because just
[3:35:05] a short while ago.
[3:35:07] We approved.
[3:35:10] Red light cameras that are
[3:35:12] going to track vehicles and
[3:35:14] other things, um, that come
[3:35:17] within its purview and we have
[3:35:19] 621 cameras at intersections
[3:35:20] all throughout the city of
[3:35:20] charlotte.
[3:35:22] And when something arises like
[3:35:23] the event that happened last
[3:35:26] week, um, in dilworth.
[3:35:28] Those cameras were tapped into
[3:35:29] to try and uh.
[3:35:30] Very quickly.
[3:35:31] Find an assailant.
[3:35:33] And so I think that I bring
[3:35:36] that up to say that I think our
[3:35:39] stance on technology and how we
[3:35:41] want to leverage technology um
[3:35:43] ,in terms of how we advance
[3:35:47] policy and um, accelerate
[3:35:49] certain things like crime.
[3:35:52] Enforcement or reduction or
[3:35:54] even in other areas outside of
[3:35:56] uh public safety is something
[3:35:59] that I think needs to be um,
[3:35:59] more.
[3:36:02] pronounced and not just simply
[3:36:04] that one one off conversation
[3:36:06] where technology is a critical
[3:36:06] .
[3:36:10] Piece of how the answer get
[3:36:11] solved.
[3:36:13] Uh, but rather take a step back
[3:36:16] and take a 5000 uh foot view of
[3:36:18] how the city of charlotte wants
[3:36:20] to embrace technology to
[3:36:22] advance ourselves in these
[3:36:26] spaces as others as we, um,
[3:36:27] continue to grow and celebrate
[3:36:29] the first year of the pearl and
[3:36:31] our innovation hub and uh, the
[3:36:32] thousands.
[3:36:35] Of of doctors and med tech and
[3:36:36] health tech folks who come to
[3:36:38] the city of charlotte and
[3:36:41] advancing the tech um
[3:36:42] innovation hub that's going to
[3:36:43] go along north tryon and
[3:36:46] connect to you and ccs um, our.
[3:36:48] One research status there.
[3:36:49] >> will be.
[3:36:52] Industries that are atten.
[3:36:54] To education and other things
[3:36:56] that technology will grow and
[3:36:59] advance here effectively become
[3:36:59] incubators.
[3:37:01] And so we might want to have a
[3:37:02] position uh.
[3:37:03] City manager.
[3:37:05] On how we would like to.
[3:37:05] Interface with.
[3:37:07] >> technology any advancement
[3:37:09] um, just given how quickly it
[3:37:10] is advancing.
[3:37:11] Before us.
[3:37:12] So it's all ahead.
[3:37:12] Mayor.
[3:37:13] Thank you.
[3:37:14] >> thank everyone.
[3:37:15] Who has.
[3:37:17] Asked to be heard has been
[3:37:18] heard clearly.
[3:37:19] Robust discussion.
[3:37:20] We have lots of very good.
[3:37:21] Questions not.
[3:37:22] Inclined to do a second round
[3:37:24] because I think we've got the
[3:37:25] sense that there are very
[3:37:27] serious questions uh to be
[3:37:27] answered.
[3:37:29] Uh look forward to getting
[3:37:30] answers from the chief.
[3:37:31] This is not scheduled for an
[3:37:33] it's not an agenda item.
[3:37:34] We know that there's a deadline
[3:37:35] for the application and I think
[3:37:37] council will have to consider
[3:37:38] how to how to.
[3:37:38] Move forward.
[3:37:41] In one way or another with that
[3:37:41] manager.
[3:37:42] I have a question for the.
[3:37:43] Manager.
[3:37:46] >> manager jones.
[3:37:48] This is 22 days out.
[3:37:50] I believe from.
[3:37:51] >> the questions that have been
[3:37:51] asked about on this.
[3:37:53] Council that.
[3:37:55] At minimum six of us have
[3:37:57] shared very clear concerns.
[3:38:00] I do not think there.
[3:38:01] Is support.
[3:38:03] For staff to continue using
[3:38:04] staff.
[3:38:05] Resource sources.
[3:38:08] >> to even try to investigate
[3:38:08] this grant.
[3:38:09] We have.
[3:38:10] >> just gone to this and we are
[3:38:12] having a conversation where.
[3:38:14] Council supported.
[3:38:16] Our representative to.
[3:38:17] Go say yes.
[3:38:18] For discussion to.
[3:38:19] Get more information.
[3:38:20] We are.
[3:38:21] Now looking.
[3:38:21] >> at.
[3:38:22] 60 plus million.
[3:38:24] Dollars going back to 2018.
[3:38:26] Because we said yes, that we
[3:38:26] would listen.
[3:38:29] To the potential of.
[3:38:30] A partnership.
[3:38:31] If it.
[3:38:33] >> needs to be in the form of.
[3:38:34] >> a vote.
[3:38:35] So that is very.
[3:38:35] >> clear.
[3:38:38] And or we.
[3:38:41] Need to identify a date a
[3:38:41] deadline day.
[3:38:42] Prior to.
[3:38:44] >> 22 days from now.
[3:38:46] Since this is due this
[3:38:47] application is due SEPTEMBER.
[3:38:48] >> 1st where.
[3:38:50] All 80 plus.
[3:38:50] Questions are.
[3:38:52] Going to be answered in.
[3:38:52] Full for.
[3:38:53] Council to have.
[3:38:56] Time to have a real.
[3:38:58] Discussion and before any more.
[3:39:00] Time is put towards this grant
[3:39:02] application but that falls
[3:39:04] within your wheelhouse as.
[3:39:04] >> the manager.
[3:39:06] If you.
[3:39:09] >> I think you COUNCILMAN MAY
[3:39:11] feel what I would ask is very
[3:39:12] clear what the council's.
[3:39:13] Position is.
[3:39:15] Um the chief has done a great
[3:39:18] job with her team talking to
[3:39:20] different entities within our
[3:39:21] community.
[3:39:24] Um, concepts like trying to
[3:39:25] fund a non congregate shelter,
[3:39:28] uh, many things that, uh,
[3:39:29] council member owens talked.
[3:39:31] About things that are along.
[3:39:32] >> the.
[3:39:33] Mental health spectrum also.
[3:39:34] So I.
[3:39:36] Have a strong sense of where
[3:39:38] the council's position is.
[3:39:40] I would just like to give the
[3:39:42] chief and her team an
[3:39:42] opportunity to have.
[3:39:44] Conversations with some of.
[3:39:45] >> the partners.
[3:39:45] That she.
[3:39:45] >> has talked.
[3:39:46] To up to this point.
[3:39:47] >> if that's.
[3:39:47] >> fair, that's fair.
[3:39:49] Mhm.
[3:39:50] Okay.
[3:39:51] >> any further.
[3:39:52] Comments or questions.
[3:39:55] On this last word from council
[3:39:57] member as we were a hopefully
[3:39:59] let's be conscious of the time
[3:39:59] .
[3:40:01] I know chief you said a lot of
[3:40:03] the terms and conditions are
[3:40:04] not something that we know.
[3:40:07] So just knowing that we have
[3:40:08] financial exposure I think that
[3:40:09] should be a valid reason for us
[3:40:10] to not pursue.
[3:40:11] This further.
[3:40:13] And I agree with councilmember
[3:40:14] mayfield not invest more time.
[3:40:17] In our staff resources, um, in
[3:40:18] this opportunity because I
[3:40:19] think you.
[3:40:21] Hear from at least the majority
[3:40:23] that we are not.
[3:40:25] So excited.
[3:40:26] About this opportunity.
[3:40:27] That's all I have.
[3:40:28] Okay.
[3:40:30] >> rest of the agenda.
[3:40:33] So uh, from manager's report.
[3:40:33] Yeah.
[3:40:34] >> so we're finished with the
[3:40:35] manager's report.
[3:40:35] Okay.
[3:40:36] >> so we go.
[3:40:36] >> to.
[3:40:36] The business.
[3:40:38] We will move now we'll move to
[3:40:39] the business section of our
[3:40:39] agenda.
[3:40:41] Our first business item is for
[3:40:41] authorization.
[3:40:45] Of 2026 stormwater revenue
[3:40:47] construction period financing.
[3:40:49] Are there any speakers on this
[3:40:49] issue?
[3:40:50] Okay.
[3:40:54] >> um for item ten this is item
[3:40:54] ten.
[3:40:55] is there a motion to adopt a.
[3:40:57] Bond order and resolution
[3:40:58] authorizing the issuance of up
[3:41:01] to $110 million of construction
[3:41:02] period financing and calling
[3:41:04] for the execution and delivery
[3:41:06] of various documents in
[3:41:08] connection with that issuance
[3:41:09] and authorized city officials
[3:41:11] to take necessary actions to
[3:41:12] complete the financing,
[3:41:13] including making the
[3:41:15] application to local government
[3:41:16] commission so moved.
[3:41:17] Is there a.
[3:41:18] Second second?
[3:41:19] Any questions?
[3:41:19] Discussion.
[3:41:21] All in favor raise your hand.
[3:41:22] Any opposed?
[3:41:24] It passes unanimously.
[3:41:26] Number 11 the.
[3:41:27] Second item on the.
[3:41:30] Business agenda is um for land
[3:41:33] purchase for cmpd northeast
[3:41:34] division station.
[3:41:36] Are there any speakers on this
[3:41:36] item?
[3:41:37] No, sir.
[3:41:38] Good for item 11.
[3:41:40] Is there a motion to approve
[3:41:42] the purchase of an
[3:41:45] approximately 5.566 acre parcel
[3:41:48] located on the corner of harris
[3:41:49] boulevard and old statesville
[3:41:53] road in the amount of
[3:41:55] $3,745,000 and b authorize the
[3:41:57] city manager to negotiate and
[3:41:58] execute all documents necessary
[3:42:00] to complete this transaction.
[3:42:01] So there.
[3:42:03] >> any questions?
[3:42:04] Council member mayfield.
[3:42:05] Thank you.
[3:42:06] >> uh.
[3:42:08] Actually when we had the check
[3:42:11] in with staff on friday asked a
[3:42:13] question specifically about.
[3:42:13] >> the.
[3:42:14] Land purchase, I.
[3:42:15] >> don't know if.
[3:42:16] Anybody in.
[3:42:17] >> here who was actually on
[3:42:17] that.
[3:42:18] Call.
[3:42:18] >> but I have.
[3:42:20] Note where I was waiting for a
[3:42:23] response specifically to the
[3:42:25] question that I asked.
[3:42:26] All right.
[3:42:27] You asked about.
[3:42:28] >> this particular item.
[3:42:30] That you have and is.
[3:42:32] Unfortunately not in my.
[3:42:35] Follow up the staff gave to me
[3:42:36] earlier.
[3:42:37] The day.
[3:42:38] Pass the question on to.
[3:42:39] >> you not.
[3:42:41] After the.
[3:42:42] Session that we had the
[3:42:43] information session we had dave
[3:42:43] .
[3:42:44] Johnson, major.
[3:42:45] With the.
[3:42:46] >> police department.
[3:42:47] Uh it's.
[3:42:48] >> I'm glad to try to.
[3:42:49] Answer the question.
[3:42:50] Now or we have.
[3:42:51] Resources here from.
[3:42:53] Real estate also I used.
[3:42:56] Okay major what I was I was
[3:42:57] just trying to.
[3:43:03] Um we're looking.
[3:43:03] >> at.
[3:43:04] A purchase price of this of.
[3:43:09] 3.7. $3,745,000.
[3:43:12] So I did have a specific
[3:43:13] question that I asked that but
[3:43:15] the staff are not here nor that
[3:43:16] they respond.
[3:43:17] To so.
[3:43:18] That's not helping me.
[3:43:19] So manager jones.
[3:43:19] If we're going.
[3:43:20] >> to have.
[3:43:21] A meeting on.
[3:43:23] Friday as well as monday it
[3:43:25] would be helpful for that.
[3:43:26] what questions we asked
[3:43:27] actually make their way back to
[3:43:27] it.
[3:43:28] Major.
[3:43:28] >> I'm not going.
[3:43:29] >> to.
[3:43:30] Hit you with a question tonight
[3:43:31] that you didn't have two days
[3:43:31] to.
[3:43:31] Prepare for.
[3:43:32] .
[3:43:34] >> since I initially asked this
[3:43:36] on friday afternoon.
[3:43:37] >> and.
[3:43:37] I checked.
[3:43:37] Into.
[3:43:40] >> any further discussion on
[3:43:42] this motion or any subsequent
[3:43:43] any um other.
[3:43:44] Motions with regard to the.
[3:43:45] Action item.
[3:43:48] That's on me.
[3:43:49] >> you can.
[3:43:50] Go to.
[3:43:53] Calling the question uh, all in
[3:43:54] favor of the motion as outlined
[3:43:56] in item 11 and previously read
[3:43:57] please raise your hand.
[3:43:58] Okay.
[3:44:01] >> any opposed?
[3:44:03] The motion carries tonight
[3:44:04] count city council will also
[3:44:06] make nominations to boards and
[3:44:06] commissions.
[3:44:08] The council members submitted
[3:44:09] their nominations earlier to
[3:44:11] the clerk via email.
[3:44:13] Names of nominees will not be
[3:44:16] read at the dais tomorrow the
[3:44:16] clerk will email.
[3:44:17] City council.
[3:44:18] >> the names of applicants that
[3:44:18] received.
[3:44:20] At least two nominations.
[3:44:22] These candidates will be
[3:44:23] considered for appointment at
[3:44:23] the next.
[3:44:24] Business meeting.
[3:44:27] Any applicant receiving six or
[3:44:29] more nominations can be
[3:44:30] considered for appointment
[3:44:32] tonight on a motion second and
[3:44:33] majority vote of council.
[3:44:35] The names of all nominees will
[3:44:36] be recorded in the official
[3:44:37] minutes of the meeting.
[3:44:39] The clerk will now proceed with
[3:44:40] announcing the results of the.
[3:44:42] Nomination and then council
[3:44:43] member mayfield, do you have a
[3:44:44] question after those are read?
[3:44:47] He's going um.
[3:44:48] I saw you.
[3:44:49] >> it.
[3:44:49] Was not.
[3:44:50] Clear the.
[3:44:51] Way you started.
[3:44:52] Out.
[3:44:53] >> mayor harrington.
[3:44:53] >> but.
[3:44:54] I believe at the end.
[3:44:55] You stated.
[3:44:56] That the clerk.
[3:44:57] Is going to announce.
[3:44:59] Who received.
[3:45:00] Six or more books.
[3:45:01] The correct.
[3:45:04] My apologies when you were
[3:45:04] reading there.
[3:45:04] Sounded like.
[3:45:06] >> we were saying we weren't.
[3:45:06] >> gonna.
[3:45:07] Out now.
[3:45:08] Who was nominated?
[3:45:11] So we're not going to announce
[3:45:11] other than.
[3:45:12] Six who are.
[3:45:14] >> actually a former member
[3:45:14] jones thank.
[3:45:15] >> you.
[3:45:15] Thank you.
[3:45:16] Thank you I do have.
[3:45:18] >> a question and we can talk
[3:45:19] about this with the clerk's
[3:45:19] office later.
[3:45:20] But the.
[3:45:24] These boards how are we hearing
[3:45:24] .
[3:45:25] Uh how is council.
[3:45:26] >> hearing from the boards?
[3:45:27] um, I.
[3:45:28] >> know that have city staff.
[3:45:29] That they.
[3:45:30] >> the the.
[3:45:30] Liaison but.
[3:45:32] I'd like to hear.
[3:45:33] From the board.
[3:45:35] Sometimes um.
[3:45:36] Specifically the domestic
[3:45:38] domestic violence board.
[3:45:38] I want.
[3:45:39] >> to know if.
[3:45:40] >> we are.
[3:45:41] Intentional about having
[3:45:41] survivors.
[3:45:42] On that.
[3:45:44] Board and then what committee
[3:45:45] does that board.
[3:45:45] Report to?
[3:45:47] Um, and.
[3:45:48] >> have we had presentations.
[3:45:49] From this.
[3:45:49] >> board or any of.
[3:45:50] >> the boards?
[3:45:51] Domestic violence is.
[3:45:54] So serious and tragic in our
[3:45:54] community.
[3:45:55] So I like us to.
[3:45:57] >> be intentional about making
[3:45:58] I know the recommended target.
[3:46:00] Um individuals I think they
[3:46:01] were both.
[3:46:03] Males and not that men can't be
[3:46:04] victims of domestic violence
[3:46:04] but.
[3:46:05] >> I want to know how.
[3:46:06] Intentional we are.
[3:46:07] About making sure.
[3:46:09] There's peers.
[3:46:10] On these.
[3:46:11] >> boards that's all.
[3:46:11] Yeah.
[3:46:13] >> so just for clarification, I
[3:46:13] think the only thing we will
[3:46:16] decide tonight is that if there
[3:46:18] are nominations by six of the
[3:46:18] members.
[3:46:19] But let me also.
[3:46:21] Let council member anderson
[3:46:21] respond.
[3:46:21] thank you.
[3:46:22] >> mayor harrington.
[3:46:24] I just wanted to respond to
[3:46:24] your question.
[3:46:26] Uh, colleague yes, the domestic
[3:46:28] violence board falls underneath
[3:46:30] the public safety committee and
[3:46:32] we've actually had them already
[3:46:34] come to committee and present
[3:46:35] to us and share.
[3:46:37] With us some of their concerns
[3:46:37] .
[3:46:40] And so we're committed to doing
[3:46:41] that at least on a quarterly
[3:46:44] basis is to have those um, one
[3:46:45] of those committees that fall
[3:46:46] under the purview of public.
[3:46:47] Safety coming present, but
[3:46:48] you're spot on.
[3:46:49] They've already come in.
[3:46:50] They've already participated.
[3:46:51] Uh.
[3:46:52] >> you.
[3:46:53] Any further questions?
[3:46:56] Be sure to read the oh okay.
[3:46:59] Okay again, MR. Mayor, I'm only
[3:46:59] reading the ones.
[3:47:01] >> that received six or.
[3:47:02] More so for.
[3:47:05] The crb um, andrew davis
[3:47:07] received 11 nominations and
[3:47:08] sheriff hannon.
[3:47:09] Received 11 nominations.
[3:47:13] For the community uh community
[3:47:14] relations committee it was to
[3:47:17] nominate four but only two
[3:47:17] received six or.
[3:47:18] >> more vote.
[3:47:20] So that was travis barnes who
[3:47:23] received seven nominations and
[3:47:24] uh tiffany.
[3:47:25] Sims received nine.
[3:47:27] Nominations so that one will
[3:47:27] come.
[3:47:29] Back for the domestic.
[3:47:31] Violence advisory committee.
[3:47:35] Edward brass with receive ten
[3:47:37] nominations and dustin hovis
[3:47:38] received 11 nominations.
[3:47:41] And finally for.
[3:47:42] the um.
[3:47:46] Youdo board of adjustments
[3:47:48] tamara shamberg received nine.
[3:47:49] >> nominations and.
[3:47:50] Just to be clear.
[3:47:52] Acclamation just just to be
[3:47:53] clear on the committees where
[3:47:55] you said things will come back
[3:47:57] it's for the the folks who did
[3:47:59] not get six even for those
[3:48:00] committees if they got six
[3:48:01] nominations we were voting on
[3:48:02] them tonight correct?
[3:48:03] That is correct.
[3:48:05] So for the community relations
[3:48:06] committee it was to nominate
[3:48:06] four.
[3:48:09] But only two people received
[3:48:09] six or.
[3:48:11] More nominations so that more
[3:48:13] will come back for the other
[3:48:13] two.
[3:48:14] .
[3:48:15] >> got it and I understand that
[3:48:17] will fall into the anticipated
[3:48:19] motion for acceptance by
[3:48:19] acclamation.
[3:48:21] Focal point that I can move
[3:48:21] mayfield.
[3:48:24] Second any opposition there?
[3:48:25] Okay.
[3:48:27] >> uh let's let's go ahead and
[3:48:28] do it.
[3:48:28] All in.
[3:48:30] >> favor any opposed?
[3:48:33] All right we are done and we
[3:48:36] have had a request for a we've
[3:48:39] had a request for close uh um
[3:48:39] session.
[3:48:40] Um excuse.
[3:48:41] Me.
[3:48:41] >> I'm just.
[3:48:42] >> a point of order.
[3:48:43] Where are we going to.
[3:48:44] Follow up with this referral?
[3:48:45] A question.
[3:48:46] >> from earlier.
[3:48:48] So remind me what the question.
[3:48:49] >> I.
[3:48:49] Want to.
[3:48:50] >> make sure that the concerns
[3:48:52] that councilmember johnson had
[3:48:52] lifted up, uh.
[3:48:55] Were covered in the referral.
[3:48:58] And as I read it, it appears
[3:48:58] that it's.
[3:48:59] Uh I want.
[3:49:00] >> to I want there to be some
[3:49:01] clarity because it feels like
[3:49:03] it MAY be out of scope from
[3:49:03] what's.
[3:49:04] Written on this paper.
[3:49:05] Um.
[3:49:06] >> and I just want a line.
[3:49:08] On whether or not it's in scope
[3:49:10] or not because as I look at
[3:49:12] what the charges it says review
[3:49:13] current council adopted
[3:49:14] policies and practices that
[3:49:16] inform transportation
[3:49:16] infrastructure requirements
[3:49:17] through the rezoning
[3:49:18] development process.
[3:49:20] Evaluate how transportation
[3:49:21] requirements are currently
[3:49:22] documented and communicated to
[3:49:24] council stakeholders and the
[3:49:24] public.
[3:49:25] Recommend potential
[3:49:26] improvements to enhance clarity
[3:49:28] ,consistency and transparency
[3:49:30] but I don't see there recommend
[3:49:32] improvements to the process
[3:49:32] itself.
[3:49:36] And so I guess the question is
[3:49:38] whether we need a referral in
[3:49:39] addition.
[3:49:39] >> to this.
[3:49:41] Referral to make that point
[3:49:41] right.
[3:49:44] And is that something that um.
[3:49:44] I will ask.
[3:49:46] The city attorney for, you
[3:49:48] know, per input, is that
[3:49:49] something that we need.
[3:49:49] >> to.
[3:49:50] Do tonight or is that.
[3:49:51] Something that should come.
[3:49:51] >> as.
[3:49:52] A referral.
[3:49:52] >> in the normal.
[3:49:54] Course because if so I mean I
[3:49:56] I'm happy to second uh, a
[3:49:57] referral request from a council
[3:49:58] member.
[3:49:58] That's how we would just.
[3:49:58] >> have.
[3:49:59] It done on.
[3:49:59] >> the record.
[3:50:00] >> you can have it on the.
[3:50:01] Record certainly.
[3:50:01] >> and mayor you can.
[3:50:02] Send that referral.
[3:50:03] It that's at.
[3:50:04] A time that's appropriate.
[3:50:05] Or good.
[3:50:08] >> is there a motion I think we
[3:50:09] need to state really clearly
[3:50:10] what the motion.
[3:50:11] With the.
[3:50:13] Item that's being referred is.
[3:50:14] Happy to take.
[3:50:16] That outside of this meeting if
[3:50:17] we can do it with better
[3:50:18] clarity of what's being
[3:50:19] requested.
[3:50:21] Um, but it's the council's
[3:50:22] pleasure if if a motion is
[3:50:23] requested and a second received
[3:50:23] .
[3:50:24] So I have a question.
[3:50:26] One of the things the city.
[3:50:27] Manager said it was had already
[3:50:28] been referred to committee.
[3:50:30] So I was looking at the.
[3:50:34] Tracker um and I didn't see
[3:50:34] anything.
[3:50:36] Specifically to discuss
[3:50:37] cumulative impact.
[3:50:37] So if.
[3:50:38] >> um if.
[3:50:40] This is redundant then we.
[3:50:41] Can I guess work that out
[3:50:42] afterwards.
[3:50:42] But I do want.
[3:50:43] To I guess make.
[3:50:44] >> a motion.
[3:50:44] >> then.
[3:50:48] To refer the item to you to
[3:50:49] refer the item to.
[3:50:49] committee.
[3:50:50] >> which committee?
[3:50:54] Uh tpd I guess all right tbd,
[3:50:54] tbd.
[3:50:57] Committee transportation.
[3:50:58] Planning and development.
[3:50:59] Committee to.
[3:51:01] Discuss cumulative.
[3:51:03] Impact and.
[3:51:03] Could use.
[3:51:05] State just so we have it on the
[3:51:06] record I know we're saying to
[3:51:08] discuss cumulative impact, but
[3:51:08] I think it.
[3:51:09] >> would be.
[3:51:10] Helpful to be more descriptive
[3:51:13] of exactly what we're referring
[3:51:13] other.
[3:51:15] Than saying cumulative impact.
[3:51:15] >> I.
[3:51:16] Guess to.
[3:51:17] Discuss revising the.
[3:51:19] Policy review.
[3:51:20] The ueo.
[3:51:22] Policy um.
[3:51:25] For transportation studies.
[3:51:27] Yeah, tis.
[3:51:28] To address.
[3:51:29] Cumulative impact.
[3:51:30] Yeah to include.
[3:51:31] To include.
[3:51:32] Cumulative impact.
[3:51:33] Yeah.
[3:51:33] Second is.
[3:51:33] >> there.
[3:51:34] Is a second.
[3:51:36] And make recommendations policy
[3:51:36] and.
[3:51:38] Make recommendations to the
[3:51:39] policy yes.
[3:51:40] Yes that's where the.
[3:51:41] Rubber meets the road.
[3:51:43] And and mayor can I ask.
[3:51:44] If we want.
[3:51:46] >> to add the truck parking.
[3:51:47] We can have it.
[3:51:49] We talked about.
[3:51:50] That earlier okay okay I'll
[3:51:50] leave.
[3:51:51] >> it alone but.
[3:51:52] >> we do.
[3:51:52] Need to.
[3:51:54] Discuss commercial.
[3:51:55] Parking but I'll leave it there
[3:51:55] .
[3:51:55] Yeah.
[3:51:57] Why don't you restate just that
[3:51:57] you.
[3:51:58] >> can.
[3:51:58] You can cover.
[3:51:59] What they got it so.
[3:52:00] >> that.
[3:52:01] You can cover what?
[3:52:04] Um um, council member mira said
[3:52:04] or.
[3:52:05] The city attorney can read it,
[3:52:06] but I just want to make sure we
[3:52:08] have clear in the record what
[3:52:10] the full motion is and then we
[3:52:10] can get us.
[3:52:10] >> an.
[3:52:11] Awesome thank you.
[3:52:11] Let us.
[3:52:12] Yeah, yeah.
[3:52:13] >> I would.
[3:52:14] >> like to get our.
[3:52:14] Captured.
[3:52:15] Please read so the.
[3:52:16] Motion by.
[3:52:17] >> MISS Johnson.
[3:52:18] Seconded by MISS.
[3:52:19] Mayfield was to.
[3:52:19] Refer the.
[3:52:20] >> item to the mayor.
[3:52:21] To refer.
[3:52:22] >> to tpd committee to.
[3:52:23] Discuss the cumulative.
[3:52:26] Impact revising the udot
[3:52:26] policy.
[3:52:27] >> for transportation.
[3:52:28] For transportation study.
[3:52:29] >> and to.
[3:52:30] Make recommendations to the
[3:52:31] policy.
[3:52:32] Are we good?
[3:52:33] And that's why you.
[3:52:35] Got the we got the motion we
[3:52:35] got the second.
[3:52:38] All in favor any opposed all
[3:52:40] right that carries okay again
[3:52:42] anything else I think we've had
[3:52:43] a request for closed session.
[3:52:44] We need a motion.
[3:52:45] To do that.
[3:52:46] That's right mayor thank you.
[3:52:46] I would.
[3:52:47] Ask the city attorney to read
[3:52:49] the read the language and then
[3:52:50] someone can make a motion if
[3:52:50] it's their pleasure.
[3:52:51] Thank you.
[3:52:52] >> mayor harrington.
[3:52:53] >> the motion.
[3:52:53] >> is to.
[3:52:54] Request the motion.
[3:52:55] >> is to go into closed session
[3:52:57] pursuant to an cgs 140.
[3:52:59] 3-3 18.11.
[3:52:59] A three.
[3:52:59] >> to.
[3:53:00] Consult with the city.
[3:53:01] Attorney regarding.
[3:53:02] >> the legal implications.
[3:53:04] Of a proposed action and.
[3:53:05] To preserve.
[3:53:06] >> the.
[3:53:06] Attorney client privilege.
[3:53:08] Is there a motion so moved?
[3:53:09] Second.
[3:53:11] >> any questions?
[3:53:12] All in favor?
[3:53:13] Any opposed?
[3:53:14] All right.
[3:53:16] >> we're going into closing.
[3:53:28] Charlotte revenue is mostly
[3:53:30] coming from taxes. The biggest