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right, good evening.

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Going to call the order, our regular city council meeting, and we are going to start with an indication by our police lending on forward.

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That is pray.

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Well, almighty God, who for a salvation has granted this life.

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We gather here this evening, giving thanks for the grace of your mercy, which you have bestowed upon us.

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We thank you for the blessing us tonight in seeking your voice and your direction to complete the business set before us as a good stewards for the health, the welfare and the safety of our community.

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We pray that you will guide each council member as they ponder and discuss the business at hand,

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and that you will unite them in one this of mind and heart to fulfill their duties

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with the betterment of every citizen of Chico trusting in their care for us.

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We also ask for your blessing upon all the members of our community who are present here tonight and desire to speak and present their ideas and concerns.

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We pray that through all your labor that our city will be fortified in strengthened as a witness of the goodness of your grace and as a witness of the goodness of the people whom we call neighbors.

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In your name, dear Father, we thank you for being present with us tonight to fulfill your divine will in all things.

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Right.

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We can stand for pledge of allegiance.

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Salute.

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And pledge.

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Roll call.

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Madam Clerk.

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Can you call a roll please?

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Council member Goldstein.

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Council member Holly.

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Council member O'Brien.

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Here.

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Council member Van overbeck.

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Council member Winslow.

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Vice Mayor Bennett.

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Here.

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Mayor Reynolds.

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Speaker card announcement.

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Anyone wishing to address the council on any matters listed on the agenda should first fill out a speaker card found at the back of the chambers.

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Once completed, turn your cards into the city clerk and the speakers are taken in the order received.

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Once the first speaker begins, no additional cards will be accepted.

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Persons demonstrating a rude boisterous speaking on matters outside the jurisdiction of the city council,

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or engaging in otherwise disruptive behavior will be called to order.

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It's said to conduct continues.

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I may call a recess requesting removal of such persons

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from the council chambers during the meeting

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or take other appropriate actions if needed.

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Can we have our city attorney, Mr. Jones?

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Please give our close session report.

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Yes, happy to do that.

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Madam Mayor, members of the council.

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So in close session, the city council

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held the conference with its Labor negotiator, Laura Eisen,

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who provided an update to the city council.

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Council and turn gave direction to Miss Eisen, relative to several of the employee organizations that were discussed.

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Great, thank you.

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So the clerk announcement regarding our new technology.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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So you will notice that you have some little buttons in front of you, request to speak.

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And if you wish to speak on an item, just go ahead and push the top.

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and it will pop up and populate the mayor's strong. She has a little screen over there.

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She will take them in the order received. That's how they come in. When she selects you to call you,

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your Mike will automatically go on. And so that will be good.

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Just as a reminder, if you get past up and you've already spoken once,

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the reason is is in parliamentary procedure. You're supposed to speak only one time until all

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members that had an opportunity to speak.

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You can speak again.

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So if you are also in the middle of an item,

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and you've pushed the request to speak button,

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and you've heard your colleagues speaking,

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they have decided that you're not gonna,

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you don't know longer need to speak,

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you can press the button on the bottom part,

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and it will remove you from the queue.

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So I just wanna thank you for your patience tonight.

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And I think it'll be super easy to use.

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I also want to let you know that last meeting

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our streaming video did not have sound,

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although we were able to upload that,

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but we did have it playing live on Channel 11.

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So we met the criteria of the Brown Act.

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And so we think that the King's have been worked out

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if by chance you get any text messages

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that the streaming isn't working, just text me, let me know,

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and we'll work with our vendor again.

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They will be monitoring it, both grannicus

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So thank you.

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Well, I just want to give a quick thank you.

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I know you guys worked long and hard while we were off at the end of December in the beginning of January to get this going and it's a great upgrade.

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I think everybody will build a here better and we can actually push our buttons now and don't have to like be done or our microphone.

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So thank you.

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Madam clerk for getting the thing upgrade to us.

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Everybody will appreciate it.

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Consent agenda, all matters listed on the consent agenda are considered routine in nature and then where can be enacted with one motion

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Are there any vote no votes item is be removed or counsel disqualifications on consent?

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No, all right. Do we have speakers on the consent? We do not. All right, consider a motion.

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We'll do a proof.

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That was a mission in a second.

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Council member Goldstein.

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Council Member Holly, Council Member O'Brien, Council Member Van over back.

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Council Member Winslow.

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Carrie Sevin Z.

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Public comment.

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Members of the public may address the council at this time on any matter not already listed on the agenda and are within the jurisdiction authority.

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The council cannot take action at this meeting on their quest made under this section of the agenda.

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How many speakers do we have?

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Sorry. We have five. All right. Three minutes each. Okay, and I will call the first two speakers. And if you can go ahead and line up in that middle aisle and be ready to to go our first two speakers are Catherine Riley followed by Sam Barber.

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Hi, Catherine here.

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I'm a type two diabetic means a couple of times a day. I got to take something sharp and jab it into my finger to my finger.

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believe it's so much fun, but it's better than debt, so I'm grateful. Okay? So I go

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down to my doctor's office with this nice, big container of sharps and I say,

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can I drop these off here and at this little clinic, plant just says, oh, they charge

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us so much to pick up the sharps. Could you take them to your pharmacy? I see sure. So I take

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them down to CVS and CVS says, we don't take them. Go to the police department. So I go to

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police department and they say, we don't take them, go to CVS. So I explain, I'm in a loop

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and this nice lady behind the desk at the police department. She prints me off a whole

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big list of places that might take sharks and I spend the next two weeks and about four

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solid hours calling every single one of them. One of the things I found that even places

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were listed on the waves that are taking sharks do not take sharks. So I called and I called

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and I call, and I found three places in View County.

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Maybe there are more, maybe, but now this information is good

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as of the second of January, 2026,

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so it's about as current as I could make it, okay?

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So, I was getting pretty frustrated.

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I found three places you can take them out to airport.

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If you have a car, if you can wait, if you can do well with that.

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There's a place called the Harm Reduction Center on South 18th,

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that has a little box for people,

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But I'm sure they don't anticipate

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all of Chico dropping their shop

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so they're doing their best just to keep needles

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and things like that off of public byways and parks.

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And the other place is the ecology,

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which has a drop box in Orville.

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Those were all I could find.

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Now if you can see, this is going to get pretty difficult

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for some people to actually do.

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So I did a little bit of quick number crunching

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and it looks like conservatively,

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There's 103,000 people in the city of Chico,

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one out of nine in California is estimated to be diabetic.

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That makes 11,444 individuals in Chico who are diabetic.

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And let's say we just all test twice a day.

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Okay? Okay.

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So that's 22,888 sharps that need to be disposed of per day,

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per month, that's 690,000.

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And in a year, that's 8,280,000 sharks that need to be disposed of.

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Now, this is not even counseling those of us who have to inject people who inject

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for other reasons, little doctor's offices who cannot afford any more to send them away.

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It's a, it's a horrendous number.

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Now, people are going to start because I was ready to, but I couldn't let myself just throwing them away.

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We're going to have over 8 million sharks, plus everybody who inject, plus everybody, plus animal.

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That's your time.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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Thank you.

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Customity do something about this because it is in public health issue.

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And that is what I think you are here for.

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Thank you.

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Sam Barber, followed by Bill Monroe.

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Hello.

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I'm here to express some concerns and disappointment and the council's

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ability to hold our police force accountable. Michael Williams is an ex-police chief who is a

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sexual predator. He was someone who took advantage of his position of power to manipulate and

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coerce women and to having sex with him. He told the woman he suffered from trauma after he shot

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dozen and Phillips, even though on the official police report he was reported to not have fired any

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shots. So after we let him go, we gifted him $37,000, three months pay, so he would drop an appeal

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of his termination. We may have also paid nearly $290,000 that salary benefits pension to him

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for 14 months when he was doing no police work and being investigated for a serial sexual

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misconduct. But the city apparently said it was prohibited by law to confirm this or not.

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I'm frankly disgusted at the idea that it would be illegal to tell citizens who pay for the police

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if their tax dollars were paying for a sexual predator salary while so many struggle to keep

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database that needs map. Michael Vincent was recently punished for receiving oral sex and uniform

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on numerous occasions and his SUV and a church parking lot. I want to know if the council,

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particularly the over a public and majority, really think two weeks of unpaid leave is genuinely

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an appropriate punishment for a police officer conducting themselves in this manner. Representative

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Van Overbig just a few meetings ago alluded to firing a property manager for misleading a potential

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Lieutenant, our current mayor is a business owner and has employees, and to any of the other

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council members with employees, if you had an employee who had oral sex on the job numerous

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times, but told you, oops, my bad, and you caught them, would they still have a job?

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Or would you just let them take two weeks off and continue employing them?

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The city clearly needs independent oversight of the police as they don't seem capable of holding

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themselves accountable for what seems to be a chronic issue in this department.

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My representative, Bryce Goldstein, recently made a motion to have some form of independent

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oversight committee for the police installed and every Republican voted against it.

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Conveniently enough, every one of you were also endorsed by the PD.

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The Council voted against it.

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Representative O'Brien, an ex-police chief stated we already have an oversight committee.

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So they haven't met in years.

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I'm here to tell you you're doing a bad job in failing us.

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And so is the absent police oversight committee.

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I think Billy Aldridge should be fired a resign in shame for failing to hold the behavior

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accountable. Two weeks of unpaid time is ludicrous. Four weeks isn't enough either.

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And Michael Vincent also needs to be fired for a sexual misconduct on the job.

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It is insane to me that the so-called peacekeepers of our community who want an average

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to make double or more an annual salary compared to an average worker who have a very real

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power over regular people are allowed to act in such a disgusting way with nothing but a slap

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on the wrist. The taxpayers should not have to pay to avoid an appeal on a sexual

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predator's termination, but you come directly from the police pension fund. We cannot

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trust the police department to investigate themselves and to really help them to come.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thank you.

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So, it's Bill Monroe, followed by Lynn overholzer.

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Thank you. Hello, Council. I would did a what? He said, but also in I am a public health

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retired. The sharp issue that the women brought up is very real and I would I would also kind of

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encourage something to happen along those lines but I don't really think it's a it's a purview of

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Cheekers.

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City council, it's more of a county public health department issue. And so I would encourage sure to reach out to Tammy Ritter or any of the other supervisors about that, and they have meetings similar to this where they have a public forum that you can present that.

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It's a real issue, I did H-H-H-B prevention and I have applied this prevention and Sharps is something to be aware of.

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I came up with just kind of in general to express a concern that stuff that you all know already that salesmen are going to sell and they'll promise you the sky.

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Please, from people are coming to sell you hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of product, get expert opinion on those.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Lynn, overholzer, followed by Sharon Fritz.

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Well, you, I've been here many times in the last few months, so you guys probably know my topic, and that's the alternative site.

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But actually tonight, I'm here on a little more positive note, and it's to say thank you to all of you.

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You voted unanimously, two times in a row, and address the issue for meetings to try and improve the safety around the site there, and I'm, I can speak for all my neighbors, and I think I can speak for a little business owners in the school there, because I know some of them have problems too.

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There's a noticeable difference with the,

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wasn't so much the people inside, of course,

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that has gotten less.

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It was more the people that were just all around there.

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And that is much less.

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The foot traffic is much less.

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It's safer to drive down that street now.

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I still probably won't drive down it at night

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because I thought I was going to hit somebody.

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There are always crossing the road.

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And there's no street lights.

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But much less of that.

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And then I was really happy to see, I think today the enforcement that I strongly requested that you do around the site, I think it was done today.

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About two hours ago, I drove by there. Lots of people in bikes all over the corners and I didn't know what was going on.

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And then I noticed some of the big tents were gone. And I think that's really, really going to help too.

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And I just want to say thank you very much for doing what you said you were going to do and for doing your best to make it safer for all of us around there because I know you know your hands are tied in some respect

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I was so excited because now I can write on the bike path out towards go has it again, which I haven't been able to safely do for a couple of years

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I tried it about a year ago when I got a little better there, but then there was a tent out there in a scary dog

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So then I came back down co-hassen and that was scary too.

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So I'm really excited to be able to write down that bike path again, towards the airport

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and pass there, which is where I used to write a big loop there.

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And I don't mean to kind of bring down my, my positive feelings here, but I thought,

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oh, since I'm here anyway, I fifty seconds left, and along this same note,

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you guys know that back in August, the first incident was Mikey was found on our street

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who had shot someone in the head and when the police came to catch him at four days we found

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out he was out there on the loose. Last Sunday on January 11th, there were two police SUVs

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in the middle of my road and a couple going down eating in one on Burnup and eating. And none

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of us know what that was about. And I called the non-emergency number to try and find out

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if someone you know on the loose around here again has happened a couple times and we didn't

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do I need to feel unsafe and I was told that I couldn't be told what it was because there

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wasn't an official call in. I said if I go to the police station, can someone tell me and I

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was told no. So I just wanted to say I don't think that's very good policy. We shouldn't know

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what's happening on our street. Anyway, thank you. Thank you. Our last speaker is Sharon

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If you could pull the microphone down, I worked, collecting trash with pals, and Thursday

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before last, I met a lady out camping behind SMS produce who said that she had been trying

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to get into the palette shelter. She'd been the house where she was living in was foreclosed

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on or whatever. I don't know. They said the owner lost his lease and I don't understand that

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but apparently eight people I wasn't taking notes were put out on the street. She was 62

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years old and she was trying to get into the pallet shelter but when you call you get an

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answering machine, they ask you for your name, your address, and your phone number.

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She lost her phone. She has, she's living in a tent. Her address, best at address, is

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safe space. She has a friend who is living in a car. She has a phone, but she can't keep it

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charged. The car was recently, there was a note on it. But anyway, these ladies, the

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one is 70 years old, the owner is 62 years old. They've been trying to get into the

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children for weeks. And they can't get in. There's always some kind of roadblock. And I spent

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last Friday driving her name's Theresa around. We went to the renewal center, they said try it.

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You know, she can't have, she's got dogs. But anyway, I just don't understand why it is that it's so hard

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for a 70 year old woman and a 62 year old woman who have a dog, who are trying to get into the

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children to get into the palette shelter, right? It takes them so long. And I was talking

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to Charles with the food and the other day he was out in the front of the car center and

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there were people camping out there, some ladies who looked to me to be at least in their 40s,

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not older. And they said, they had been down to the palette shelter and could not get in.

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And I just, I don't understand this. I don't know why that is that you can't go to the

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all the children say. I'm desperate. I need a place to stay. Why you have to be? What needs to be

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evaluated? That's all. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right, and that's our last speaker, correct?

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Okay, thank you. I'm item 5.1, I interviewed an appointment to the Law of vacancy on the Arts Commission.

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Ms. Pressson, our city, work and elections official. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Reynolds and Council.

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We have an unscheduled vacant on our arts commission that is one of the commissions that I support personally and we did

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And there's three years remaining on that term, so we did the required by state law posting and then we also conducted a quick recruitment

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lots of applications and it makes me happy to say that we have

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eight applicants and for one position but we will make sure that we keep these

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applications whoever is not selected they will actually be kept and then when

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we get ready to do our recruitment at the end of the share it's 2026 already

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we'll be doing it again and we'll reach out to them to see if they'd still like

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to apply and we'll have new pieces open at that time. I will tell you that I know

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of the seven applicants that or the eight,

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that three of them indicated that they couldn't make it.

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And again, according to APNP-101,

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the council has said that if you can't make the interview,

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that's not a reason not to make that appointment.

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So they do not have to be here in person tonight

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in order to be appointed.

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And I do want to let you know that this vacancy occurred

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and it was Vice Mayor Bennett's nominee.

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And so, after hearing from everybody, if the Council would be so gracious, loud,

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Dale, excuse me, Council, vice mayor Bennett, sorry, to make his nomination and then I would require a confirmation vote.

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So, if you're okay, I'll go ahead and call the applicants.

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Yep, I have our applicants and then speakers, if we have any, as well.

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Okay, Reannon, Ashford, followed by Benjamin Boyer.

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Valerie Cicinera's.

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I count

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some members. My name is Valeria.

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I apply for the vacancy.

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I'm not originally from Chico,

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but the arts community and she goes had a huge impact

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in the last five years that I've been here.

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It's impacted my life as I'm originally from San Luis Piscpo.

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I'm a young person here,

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So I have spent the last few years really learning how to find my community and find a sense

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of belonging here in Chico.

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And the Arts community welcomed me with open arms, and I wanted to take this opportunity

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to kind of just find a more impactful role within the Arts community, and I have a motivation

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to connect with people and with others and connect through the things that I really enjoyed

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doing. I'm a creative person. I graduated from Chico State with in graphic design and I've been

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able to really make my way by just working with people, Lucy Armacados, someone who I've really

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enjoyed working with. I've worked for the University, Dana Moore, who's had a huge impact and just

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improving the improv community here in Chico that's particularly had a huge impact for me and

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and the people I've been able to meet. And I really wanted to do that within this role I wanted

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to kind of also bring that sense of belonging within the role and the community for people who

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look like me and people who don't look like me. So that's really my motivation for wanting to

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to be in this position and to take on the role

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as to continue to do that work that I find so important.

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And be that bridge.

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So thank you so much, and thank you.

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Have a good night.

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Thank you Natalie Norton.

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Good evening, council members, mayor.

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My name is Natalie Norton,

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and I'm a Chico resident, a parent,

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and a cultural programs professional.

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And I'm here because I believe the arts play a vital role

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and how communities understand themselves, preserve their history,

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and create shared spaces for connection.

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My relationship to the arts began early

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as a young person, art classes, music,

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and time spent in museums helped me,

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not only learn about myself,

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but about the communities around me

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and the broader human experience.

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Through the arts, I found confidence and connection,

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friendships, shared language,

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and a way to understand perspectives beyond my own.

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Music in particular gave me a powerful form of expression.

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It was a place where I could both engage deeply and step back and reflect.

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It's a space that helped me process the world and grow into myself.

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That foundation continued during my time as a CSU Chico student.

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I studied public history and developed a deep respect for history, place, and culture,

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and the responsibility institutions carry in telling these stories thoughtfully.

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While at Chico, I volunteered with the Chico History Museum where I worked alongside civic-minded volunteers and community partners.

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Professionally, I've spent my career designing arts and cultural programming that brings people together around shared moment and shared stories.

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I began in public programming at the D. Young Museum, working on both large and cold city-wide cultural events, and smaller artist-led collaborations as well.

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It was my first real exposure to how programming can serve broad audiences, welcoming people

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whether they arrive intentionally or simply encounter something meaningful by chance.

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I later worked at the Walt Disney Family Museum where I saw how strong mission, operation,

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excellence, and public engagement can work together.

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And at the Pasadena Museum of History, I helped develop community-rooted programs that

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connected local history to present-day identity, and at the natural history museum of Los Angeles

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I saw how institutions in a diverse city can thoughtfully incorporate many voices into exhibitions and programs so people from all walks of life can see themselves reflected in that narrative.

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But through all of this is a personal influence, my grandmother, who volunteered with the Fine Arts Museums for San Francisco for more than 40 years.

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She believed the arts are not a luxury, but a public good, and that access and stewardship matter just as much as excellence.

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That belief continues to shape how a approach service and leadership.

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Care deeply about Chico, our artists, our history, our community, and our shared future.

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It would be honored to help steward the city's cultural life with intention, collaboration, and a deep appreciation for the role the arts play in strengthening community identity and connection.

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thank you so much. Thank you Kevin Shavidi.

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I don't see that he is here. So those are

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the applicants that were able to make tonight's meeting. The reason I'm asking for the

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Council consideration of going ahead and not only doing the interviews but the

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appointment is that I have a very, very active arts commission and they work really

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really hard and having that vacancy filled right away especially when we're getting

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ready to have a strategic planning meeting,

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would be pivotal to have that person on board.

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And so I would ask the council.

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Councilor Vice Mayor Bennett to, if you're ready for the nomination or if you had any questions about the process.

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Okay, then I will stop talking.

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So, first of all, I want to thank all eight individuals that apply for the position.

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Your resumes were very, very compelling as far as your ability to do the job, to be of service to our community, to be of service to the Arts Commission.

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And so I want to thank all eight, although some people aren't here, because it takes

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a lot of courage.

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It takes a lot of commitment to actually be on a commission, city of Chico.

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Now, especially when to thank Mrs. Nero, if I pronounce that correctly, for showing up, and

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Ms. Norton, for showing up.

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I appreciate that very much, take time out of your busy schedule, and make your presentation

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my recommendation to the City Council this evening is going to be to a point or actually

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contact Mr. Benjamin from a tray. He's on an architect with the beauty county to

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fill the position, the rest of the nation of the individual, to fill that position and be appointed

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to the Arts Commission.

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Do we have any speakers? Other than, no, we just want to make sure

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just before we, okay, so is that a motion to a point, Mr.

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Well I'll go ahead, I just will say that I think it's a good

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the process set up that where we have a nomination for one of the

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vacancy there, wasn't that long ago that it was controversial just to have

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some nominations approved and there was one that I actually didn't ever have

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approved and even when I had a vacancy just a year ago because my

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climate action commissioner was elected to the city council, I didn't just get

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to nominate, but I think this is a better process, I'm going to make a

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to accept the nomination of Vice Mayor Bennett.

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Thank you.

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I'll second that motion.

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Okay, so that's a motion by Councilmember Winsos, seconded by Councilmember Goldstein,

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to confirm the appointment of Benjamin Matray to fill the unfilled or unscheduled vacancy

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of three years at three-year term for the Arts Commission.

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Thank you.

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Councilmember Goldstein?

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Councilmember Holly?

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Councilmember O'Brien?

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Yes.

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Council Member Van Overbeck Council Member Winslow. Yes. Nice Mayor Bennett. Yes, and I want to thank the

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are my fellow council members for supporting my nomination. And then Mayor Reynolds. I carry 7 0 and I will keep all the

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applications on file and contact everyone probably this early fall. All right, thank you so much. I don't

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I'm putting too in consideration to give staff direction to include the gallery cancer screening

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tests for public works to own in employees through the 25 to 27 budget season.

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We have Assistant City Manager, Eric Guffson.

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Thank you, Mayor Reynolds, Vice Mayor Bennett, Council members, honored to speak to you tonight.

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This item is being brought back from the June 3rd, 2025 meeting where Council moved to include

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police officers in this program in the Caniel testing Council member,

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They're Holly's friendly amendment that was also accepted in past, that we bring it back six

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months from then to discuss, including public works, operation, and maintenance employees.

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Public works on him, employees routinely perform work that exposes him to a variety of

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known and suspected charsiniogens as part of their assigned duties.

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These are duties such as asphalt maintenance and application, crack ceiling, applying

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from a plastic materials for street markings, painting, graffiti removal with chemicals,

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operation of diesel power, trucks and equipment, and clean up with homeless encampments.

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National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Nioch, and the Occupational Safety

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and Health Administration, OSHA, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer,

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recognize that many of these substances and byproducts associated with these activities,

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such as asphalt, in bittamine fumes, diesel exhaust paints, solvents, and combustion-related

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particulars are carcinogenic.

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Homeless and chemical impactivity has also exposed employees to unknown chemical mixtures

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hazardous waste, and contaminated breeze to breeze.

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Excuse me, further increasing occupational health risk.

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Cancer is associated with occupational exposure often developed after extended latency periods,

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making early detection a critical component of the employee health protection.

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The gallery early detection blood test screens for signals associated with more than 50 types of cancer.

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Early identification for any cancer can allow for earlier intervention.

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Improve treatment outcomes and reduce long-term health and disability benefits.

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Unfortunately, Public Works on M has a current young, very young senior maintenance worker that's battling colon cancer now.

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and well below the age of the recommended colonoscopy and so an early detection scenario would

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hopefully caught that and maybe given him a jump start on his treatment that he's currently

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going through now.

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Providing the gallery test for public works on him employees is also an equity employee wellness

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consideration.

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Currently, the city offers the test to public safety employees.

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So it'd be great to also include our public works folks as well.

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providing it to own employees, acknowledges that they too are faced with these occupational hazards

446
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:53,640
and this action supports a consistent and preventative approach to employee health and work

447
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:59,280
for workforce well-being. Therefore, I recommend City Council approving including all public

448
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,140
work's own employees and the gallery cancer screening test. Note that we have 103 employees

449
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:11,040
so that could be up to $66,000 so I'm recommending maybe a three year interval. We do it every

450
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:17,520
three years and for us to include it in the upcoming fiscal year 2627 budget development, which

451
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,880
we're embarking on now. That concludes my presentation. I can answer any questions.

452
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:24,250
All right.

453
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:31,130
Students, the RIMA DIRGES, put your push or thing and I will go ahead and

454
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:33,310
Mr. Bennett. Vice Mayor Bennett.

455
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:42,580
Technology. It's fascinating. So, I can say this because I'm an

456
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:47,760
older citizen that there's a saying that you live long enough, you're going to get cancer.

457
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:55,020
And as I age, in matureness, one other person that probably would agree with me, I think

458
00:36:55,020 --> 00:37:03,200
anything we can do to help people discover or find out that they have a problem, so they can

459
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:10,940
seek treatment early in the key with cancer as you need to take on treatment as early as

460
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:17,660
possible. So I'm going to obviously support this. I think it's great that we're recognizing

461
00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:21,780
on employees as people that we really value. Thank you.

462
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,820
I'm probably saved some comments off to hear from some from the public because I think

463
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:35,660
some people have read into this and maybe found similar things that I did in doing research.

464
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,880
There's a lot of legitimate skepticism about this test. There's a reason why it's not

465
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:48,480
approved by the FDA or any other public institution to my knowledge for for use, but I was

466
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,780
wondering because I have seen some stuff about them having like a pro bus marketing team and I'm

467
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:56,200
not sure exactly how this landed in front of the council in the first place in the fire department

468
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,940
police brought forward last year and then it was then extended by council member request to the police

469
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:06,400
since an hour on like a third tier of like a second tier of like a me two agreement kind of with it.

470
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:11,400
I'm wondering if anybody in staff has talked to representatives from the company at any point in time

471
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Like, were there anybody contacted or did you contact like representatives from the company to ask questions about it?

472
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:27,400
I have not nor have I been contacted by gallery representatives. Again, this is just kind of benchmarking what we're currently doing for public safety employees. And the thought was, you know,

473
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:37,400
There's not a big national push for public works to specific employees that have much higher rates than cancer,

474
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:45,620
but there's a lot of agreement that the carcinogens that they're subject to during their normal work activities are,

475
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,720
you know, present a much higher risk for cancer.

476
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:55,360
So in our position from staff is it's equitable and I think that if there's anything we could do to help try to identify this early on,

477
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,500
would help and keep our folks working versus having to go through something like this.

478
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:06,060
Well, I want to add that the fire department, Deputy Chief Zinco, is the one who did

479
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:07,980
have those conversations with gallery.

480
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:14,440
Yeah, we've just kind of piggybacked on what the public safety partners in public safety

481
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,480
of the research they've already done.

482
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,260
Councillor interjecting.

483
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:18,660
Councillor interjecting.

484
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:19,060
Well, thank you, Mayor.

485
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,080
So, yeah, there is some controversy because this is new and cutting edge technology.

486
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:32,260
I get that. And no, we don't have a full body of testing and studies that maybe we would like,

487
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,840
but remember, this is minimally invasive and it provides early detection. And I have read a positive

488
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:47,400
study on the merits of this type of testing and you're mentioning older members of council or younger

489
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,220
member. It really doesn't matter, but from the younger perspective, I think they would see if we could

490
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:57,880
turn about the clock to our 20s that we thought we were invincible and we were not going to

491
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,600
go through a battery of test to determine if we were at risk of certain cancers.

492
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,620
That's the danger of some of these percentages.

493
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,920
I think it's up to us as employers to take care of our employees.

494
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:20,200
This is really a very small investment in their health and if we catch one case of some

495
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,120
have a cancer early, whether it's a firefighter, a police officer, a public works employee.

496
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,460
You say the thousands, you're just looking at it from a fiscal standpoint.

497
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,360
I look at it from a moral standpoint that we owe them this, this is not over the top

498
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,520
as far as the cost.

499
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:42,200
I think it's a good investment and certainly we'll hear from our public because I respect

500
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,360
the posing opinions, but I think the cost of this, the fact it's mentally invasive, and

501
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,060
No, it's not designed to replace other testing, right?

502
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,880
That's not the purpose of this.

503
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:55,160
It's to supplement.

504
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:56,600
And I think it's a good supplement,

505
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,700
and a good way for us to take care of those employees.

506
00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:05,430
We're working, Council member, Rano, we're back.

507
00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:07,110
Thank you.

508
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:11,590
So I have a question in a statement.

509
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:15,070
So Mr. Gus, my understanding and the staff reports,

510
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:19,410
there's no specific research relating to public works.

511
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:20,930
People, because what you guys do,

512
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:26,530
there's so many different jobs, and that would indicate that there's a higher rate of cancer

513
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:28,290
than the rest of the population.

514
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:29,930
Is that right?

515
00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:36,070
Yeah, I mean, the cancer incident rates for public works have not been quantified through

516
00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:39,730
large national cohort studies that I'm just looking at my notes here.

517
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:45,430
The presence of these exposures establishes a credible and recognized occupational cancer

518
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:49,830
risk over the course of long term employment by the individuals.

519
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:56,090
However, similar studies are coming out showing that public works and construction type workers are often

520
00:41:56,090 --> 00:42:01,590
experiencing elevated cancer risks due to their occupational exposures to these continued exposures

521
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:05,450
to these carcinogens. Okay, so I want to have to think a comment about the science.

522
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:10,830
So there's a woman whose name is Jennifer Duadne who won the Nobel Prize for discovering

523
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:20,330
technological CRISPR, which enables people or scientists to actually alter genes and some of

524
00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:26,690
its stuff is used for therapeutics and some of it is used for agricultural purposes and it's

525
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:27,770
revolutionary thing.

526
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:35,790
So the people who founded gallery are part of this sort of group of people that have spun

527
00:42:35,790 --> 00:42:38,210
out of this whole CRISPR thing.

528
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:44,630
And so what the way it works is that every form of cancer has a unique genetic signature.

529
00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:49,230
And so they have the ability to detect these things.

530
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:53,290
And it's new so it's going to get better year over year.

531
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:56,030
Councilman Winslow brought up to point about FDA approval.

532
00:42:56,030 --> 00:43:00,010
FDA approval for this kind of thing takes anywhere from seven to 10 years.

533
00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:02,210
And the technology isn't that old.

534
00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:05,250
So the fact that it doesn't have FDA approval doesn't mean it's not valid.

535
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:12,290
But, I mean, I know people personally very well that are in this field of research who

536
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:20,330
believe this is very, very good technology and to counsel and all Brian's point, we can

537
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:28,410
say one life, I mean, it's absolutely worth it and it financially makes sense because the

538
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:33,190
cost, you know, somebody gets cancer, the cost can be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

539
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:47,560
So, I think, you know, my age, you, as Dale pointed out, thank you, Dale for pointing out my stage of life, but you see things that can happen, you've seen them happen.

540
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:59,060
And so, if we can keep one person from, you know, catch it early and say one person from that early death, 100% behind it.

541
00:43:59,060 --> 00:44:08,180
I appreciate that and I'm certainly am sensitive to the costs as well and that's why we're, you know, putting out there. Maybe it's every three years for public works own employees.

542
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:15,740
The recommendation is for us to build it into the upcoming budget that will be proposed in May and hopefully approved in June.

543
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,420
So, you know, at that point too, maybe there's some updating we could do to this or some requirements, the long term.

544
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:26,240
maybe there's some thresholds of you have to be here.

545
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,540
You have to work for the city full time for a number of years

546
00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:29,960
before you're eligible for the test,

547
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:31,740
maybe it's every few years, that type of thing.

548
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,880
So I think it's, you know, we have the ability to update that

549
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,640
as we go along to, because I am certainly sensitive to the cost.

550
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,760
But we just, the recommendation and night is just to include it in this upcoming budget

551
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,620
to at least get initial screen done and then go.

552
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:47,020
I've just had a quick clarification.

553
00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:53,200
When you said, so this amount for three years or to do it annually for three years.

554
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,960
Now, I'm asking for us to include at this initial test in the upcoming 2016-27 budget, and if off.

555
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,740
All 103 public works on him employees participate. It could be an upwards of $66,000. I don't think

556
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:12,200
all will participate. I think we've experienced maybe a 75% participation rate that will likely

557
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,680
be the case with our own employees too, so it's going to be less than that. I'm recommending

558
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,600
we do it now and plug it into this upcoming budget but then from there after every three years.

559
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,480
And that was the other clarification just for public sake. We were making this available to them.

560
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:29,980
It's

561
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:34,840
You know has have available to them. So okay. Thank you. Do we have any

562
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:39,000
see anybody else wanting to speak?

563
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:45,000
So do we have any speakers? We do we have two okay three minutes each. All right. Thank you all of you both up.

564
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:47,680
I'm Laurie Monroe followed by Jason Anderson.

565
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:54,490
I counsel. Thank you for letting me speak.

566
00:45:55,350 --> 00:46:02,930
First of all, I want to refer you to Dr. Sanders email that he said to you with an article about this test.

567
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:08,110
The next thing I want to say, I think it's great that the City of Columbia City of

568
00:46:08,110 --> 00:46:10,450
Tico has a preventive health program.

569
00:46:11,110 --> 00:46:15,790
I'd be interested in hearing more about the other things in that program that you have in place.

570
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:18,370
And I don't have any prop.

571
00:46:18,490 --> 00:46:22,230
I think it's wonderful that you're showing interest in employees.

572
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:27,190
I do however have a problem with this particular test as part of your

573
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:34,930
any health program. Precisely because it's not FDA approved, it may be standard of care in the

574
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:42,350
decade, and that's fine in the insurance that the city of Chico purchases for its employees

575
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:53,910
would cover the test. As it is, all full-time city employees get insurance or have access to

576
00:46:53,910 --> 00:47:01,670
insurance and they can access the preventive health measures and cancer detection measures

577
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:10,030
that everybody in the community gets and that seems like at this point that's adequate for us

578
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:18,490
and for them. And I'm not singling out, please, or firemen or public works. I think it's fine to do it

579
00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:40,490
for to do preventive health measures for any of those and all of your city employees but I don't like this test and the reason I don't like it is that it's not approved and it's not well tested and studies have shown that it actually

580
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:47,430
identify as a concern for cancer, causing thousands of dollars of testing, painful future

581
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:50,330
testing for people that wouldn't have had it otherwise.

582
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:54,010
So that's the downside of this kind of thing.

583
00:47:59,870 --> 00:48:04,350
Also, I would like to remind you that you often talk about how happy you are to defer

584
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:10,090
to experts on certain things, but as far as I can tell, no experts have been consulted

585
00:48:10,090 --> 00:48:20,470
on this particular test, there are pathologist physicians, there are cancer specialist physicians,

586
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:27,170
there are preventing health physicians. I'm sure that Chico has those specialists who live

587
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:32,350
with who are citizens of this town and would be happy to give you their opinion and I ask that

588
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:37,990
you seek that information. Thank you. Thank you. Our last speaker is Jason Anderson.

589
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:39,250
Thank

590
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:52,960
you, as a representative of the employees of Operation Maintenance, I definitely speak on behalf of everybody.

591
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,980
I express the appreciation for the sentiment behind this, you know, thank you very much.

592
00:49:00,380 --> 00:49:10,160
And obviously, we're not the expense behind it is large, and we're going through negotiations now,

593
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:17,020
and we know that fiscal responsibility is a massive, massive burden placed upon this council and its leadership.

594
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:24,180
When you look at, you know, how to ask all, you would look at it and smell it,

595
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:26,940
And you would think that that was the definition of a carcinogen.

596
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:33,860
It's the exposure to that day and in day out, heated at 450 degrees, standing next to

597
00:49:33,860 --> 00:49:35,160
it, breathing it in.

598
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:43,480
I would suspect most people here wouldn't enjoy a single day of that much less decades of

599
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,420
a career.

600
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,440
Thermoplasics no better, you can smell it, and it remains on you for days and days.

601
00:49:51,820 --> 00:50:00,240
Again, I didn't take what Councillor Winslow said is necessarily a problem with the cost

602
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,200
is necessarily a problem with potentially the test and so on behalf of all the employees,

603
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:13,550
we would like to be included in any sort of future test unit change if this test is

604
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:42,690
We, it's, we're honored that we can be included in something that is so often reserved for public safety as, you know, the fire department, rightly so, has a sort of a workers calm blanket approval of all cancers as work related, going speaking with our employee who has been diagnosed with cancer unfortunately as, you know, young guy, young kids.

605
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:45,110
We seem to have the opposite problem.

606
00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:47,210
We have almost blanket deniability.

607
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:49,150
And I think that has to do with law

608
00:50:49,150 --> 00:50:52,050
with we do have a broad range of jobs.

609
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,670
And so there's never been sort of an organized class

610
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:57,430
action lawsuit and like the Fire Department put it through.

611
00:50:57,690 --> 00:51:01,150
Not our Fire Department, but IFF is an international organization.

612
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,770
Should that ever happen, the research would come out

613
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:09,510
come to light and you would see that this is a dangerous job.

614
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:12,250
Much not only cancer sneaking up on you,

615
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:14,770
but obviously we're concerned every single day

616
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:16,950
with dodging cars and needles and whatnot.

617
00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:23,370
Like I asked everybody on my side,

618
00:51:23,570 --> 00:51:24,870
we didn't want anybody orange fatigue,

619
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:26,890
but they do care very much about this.

620
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:29,190
I asked them to stay home, watch from home,

621
00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:32,550
but for the 100 and over 100 members,

622
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:35,790
and they do care deeply about this,

623
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:38,170
about care, excuse me, care deeply about this,

624
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:40,330
and the sentiment is much appreciated.

625
00:51:40,330 --> 00:51:44,810
so thank you very much. Thank you. Use our last speaker.

626
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,360
All right. Future or further discussion

627
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:50,840
by council.

628
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:59,530
Council member. Yes. So I was I was a couple hours into reading recent medical

629
00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:06,010
research articles on this grail test and and I began to ask myself a couple questions. Council

630
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:09,110
of Vancouver, I can mention that some like medical professionals have been supportive of this.

631
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:13,090
I wish they would have written in, because I haven't seen any, nobody local that has said

632
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:19,870
anything that's suggested this is like well tested or is more as promising as it looks

633
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:20,390
I suppose.

634
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:25,410
So, one of the questions I ask myself, is this a test that's overhyped in sales campaign by

635
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:27,330
multi-billion dollar, Silicon Valley biotech company?

636
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:32,170
I haven't seen any studies that are really supported that weren't funded by Grail, and this

637
00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:35,270
is prior to their acquisition by the original parent company Illumina.

638
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:39,550
And, you know, so I was going through some articles.

639
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:41,830
I'll just give you a couple of names of the reasons.

640
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:46,970
The unholy grail of cancer screening, or is it just about the Benjamin's question mark?

641
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:53,530
The most recent I found February 25 is called the implosion of grails gallary cancer screening test.

642
00:52:54,290 --> 00:53:01,010
In this one mentioned, there was a large scale study done in partnership with the UK National Health Service.

643
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:05,350
And it was going to scale up, they're going to do, they had like, random sample on one side

644
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:08,870
people not getting it and trying to see how how valid these results were, they discontinued

645
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:13,650
after the initial results, did not continue to scale it initially, anticipated just, just this is

646
00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:16,530
a research testing they were doing on a large amount of population.

647
00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:20,410
Grail hasn't published those results, but they say they will by the end of the year.

648
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:26,850
And I also found there's a class section lawsuit by stockholders in the company who, they

649
00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:32,290
alleged that the company made a series of materially false and misleading statements and emissions

650
00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:36,870
concerning the acquisition of Grail. This is the Lumina and Grail's gallery test.

651
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:42,910
And they also say that the real world experience has shown that gallery has caused substantial harm to patients.

652
00:53:44,350 --> 00:53:51,330
So I was reading on this and the other question I asked myself is why am I, as a simple city council member, reviewing medical research articles for decision in a public meeting.

653
00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:56,130
And at this point, I was thinking more where I'd come from as public policy, and I thought

654
00:53:57,050 --> 00:54:00,950
how we do labor negotiations close session, where I actually do in that right now, as

655
00:54:00,950 --> 00:54:02,330
we typically are,

656
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:07,710
and I got to wonder, why did somebody come up with the rule that labor

657
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:12,210
negotiations done in close session, and I think this agenda items could be used in a political

658
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,850
science class answer that question, because the employees in our fire department made a really

659
00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:19,930
strong case that they were exposed to carcinogens, and it's worth investing in some

660
00:54:19,930 --> 00:54:22,070
of technology to try to prevent some of that.

661
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:24,970
But now we're in around two of the city council member sponsored me

662
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:27,050
two case, because the firefighters get it.

663
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:28,250
It's like, well, the police want it.

664
00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:29,890
This is somewhat similar with the blanket

665
00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:34,670
in presumption of the cancer is related to work.

666
00:54:35,050 --> 00:54:37,830
Stuff that probably happened, and you mentioned a lawsuit,

667
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:38,790
I actually don't know the history of that,

668
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,610
but I assume it was legislation that was done in open session

669
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:41,830
with lobbying client poly groups.

670
00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:44,450
And it's hard to say no to these sort of things,

671
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:45,890
because we do want to protect our employees.

672
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:46,770
We do care.

673
00:54:46,810 --> 00:54:48,510
We don't want to give something, especially when it

674
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:52,430
related to health to one group of employees, not give it to another, especially when they're exposed to it.

675
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:57,350
And in this case, are really more than another employee group that's getting the same coverage.

676
00:54:58,090 --> 00:54:59,990
So that's why we insist on providing adequate health coverage.

677
00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:03,670
We tried to, you know, through the insurance companies, we could form like a subcommittee of ourselves

678
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:06,710
and we could review every kind of new experimental health technology that's brought forward.

679
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:10,770
Inside whether we want to cover it or not, at that point we would be insurance company, but we're not.

680
00:55:10,810 --> 00:55:12,230
We hired an insurance company.

681
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:17,510
And so, it's complicated, like a lot of decisions we make, it's about health and safety.

682
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:22,850
And these are concerns that are so deeply legitimate, like, it should be a priority.

683
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:25,730
I mean, how could anything be more important than health and safety?

684
00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:29,710
But I think when we think about it, we start to act from like the irrational part of our brain.

685
00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:35,770
But we're managing the government that's supposed to serve everybody in the city and every department is running thin.

686
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:38,710
And all over the community, we have these persistently unsatisfied needs.

687
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:42,210
So I really think that on these sort of things, we should act out of the rational part of our brains.

688
00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:48,290
So the idea that I had, because I don't feel like a proper judge of whether this technology should be our investment,

689
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:55,550
is that we have an HR department who I think is better in touch to do the research than I am,

690
00:55:55,690 --> 00:55:57,570
sitting on my desk reviewing medical research articles.

691
00:55:57,570 --> 00:56:03,190
And I think that we should punt this topic to HR for their assessment on all of the

692
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:07,130
of screenings, this will be experimental for gallery, cancel screenings, and we should have it

693
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:11,870
come back to us in labor negotiations in close session where we typically talk about employee

694
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:18,270
compensation issues. That is the motion I'd like to make is that we talk about the cancer

695
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:23,430
screenings as part of labor negotiations, and we ask for more of a recommendation from HR

696
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:27,550
and consultation with some experts. I'll second that motion.

697
00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:29,210
I'll make a subsequent motion.

698
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:36,530
I'm going to take the motions, but we do

699
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:39,930
have a few speakers that want to go, but we'll go ahead and get the motion.

700
00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:41,750
Go ahead and cast a number on Brian.

701
00:56:42,370 --> 00:56:47,110
So my motion will be to include the gallery cancer screening test for public works,

702
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:53,130
full and end of employees, through the fiscal 2627 budget development process.

703
00:56:54,030 --> 00:57:00,050
I brought this up for the addition of our police officers, I support and support of that.

704
00:57:00,050 --> 00:57:03,850
I support it for our public works and employees as well.

705
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:06,790
It's about exposure and risk.

706
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:09,550
That's where the risk is in these three groups.

707
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:12,270
That's why I support this.

708
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:13,950
All right, so I can put that motion.

709
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:17,620
Councillor Holy.

710
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:23,890
As I was the council member to make the friendly amendment

711
00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:27,150
in our summer meeting, I'd like to explain publicly

712
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:30,590
why my opinion on this has evolved significantly

713
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:31,770
since that time.

714
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:38,770
I originally had looked at it through a lens of seeing a pattern of certain departments have

715
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:44,550
favoritism when it came to funding among other benefits, and I thought it was important

716
00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:49,570
to see equity among all departments, and I still hold that as a value.

717
00:57:50,250 --> 00:57:59,390
But I do have to say originally having that benefit for our fire staff has a lot more context

718
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:05,870
to do is legal liability when California state mandate of cancer presumption for certain

719
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:10,670
staff members creates that legal liability.

720
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:19,350
So, although I'm not so compelled by questions of the validity of certain health tests

721
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:21,650
that's not in my purview to consider.

722
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:29,070
I really, really resonate with Council Member Winslow's argument of these are decisions

723
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:36,010
best made by HR. They're best made for a closed session. Labor negotiations. That's the

724
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:43,710
more appropriate place for it to be held. So I just want to say that's why my opinion on this

725
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:50,450
item has evolved a little bit because I believe that I was looking through it from the incorrect

726
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:52,770
lens in our summer meeting.

727
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:57,380
You're going over it?

728
00:58:59,610 --> 00:59:00,310
Yeah, we have a

729
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:07,330
And a substitute motion, should we be voting instead of making our opinions know?

730
00:59:07,650 --> 00:59:15,550
Yeah, the motions came while people had already pushed their buttons to speak, and that's why I said I'll go ahead and take the motions, but we're going to let everybody speak once.

731
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:24,670
Okay, so before we respond to Council Member Winsel's comments, so the only, this is a blood test, the take blood.

732
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:29,650
The only harm that can come from these is false positives.

733
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:35,890
And so one of the issues with this is there are quite a few false positives.

734
00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:40,870
So you'll get an indication that says maybe you have CLL, which is form of leukemia.

735
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:47,590
And all it does is raise a flag and say to your oncologist, take check for this.

736
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,330
And so it's not designed to be a definitive diagnosis.

737
00:59:51,330 --> 00:59:59,950
So the main argument against this is that it causes people anxiety because they're told they have something.

738
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,320
A series of diseases, in fact, they don't. Well, every other diagnostic test for cancer has a similar

739
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:15,720
problem not to this extent. As far as lawsuits by investors, I spent 30 years in Silicon Valley

740
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:22,280
and I can tell you that there are very few companies that don't have multiple outstanding lawsuits

741
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:30,920
from disgruntled investors, and it's just a fact of life that doesn't mean it doesn't mean

742
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,380
there's a problem with the technology.

743
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Can somebody go to see?

744
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:38,640
Thank you, Mayor Reynolds.

745
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:45,900
Yeah, I think in general, we need to support our employees and support their health, and I

746
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,760
want equity between employee groups, and that makes this hard.

747
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:54,900
I really think we should have discussed all of these with HR in close session, like we do

748
01:00:54,900 --> 01:01:00,000
every other employee benefit because discussing something on the diet like this opens up the

749
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:08,060
opportunity for politicization of just wanting to keep our employees safe and I'm bummed

750
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:14,100
to be in a position like that because we have to really prioritize things like are we going

751
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:20,320
to spend money on something that's perhaps less proven to be helpful than other benefits

752
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:27,880
that we could be providing, and I think I would really like to be better informed, somebody brought up the need for health professionals.

753
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:39,340
I'm not a health professional. I don't believe that I have, that it should be my purview to decide something like this without all of the information.

754
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:46,920
And so I'm having trouble with this one and I think that I would like to have more information

755
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,580
and have it brought back to us in closed session like we would other employee benefits.

756
01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:59,510
So I'm just going to make one quick comment before we go back to Council Member Winslow.

757
01:02:01,690 --> 01:02:09,990
I would assume it's not in the motion, but could this be stated to be gallery or other

758
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:18,890
cancer test if some other reputable company that HR finds comes along, can we choose at any

759
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:23,890
time to change? Or maybe we offer to you, if they're the same price, you can go to this company

760
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:28,250
or you can go to this company. Is there any reason that couldn't be added to the motion if there's

761
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:34,470
another agency that allows us? I don't know if that's a question. I can help you with, I mean,

762
01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:39,030
this patentable technology, so there's not, there isn't anybody else in my knowledge that does

763
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:43,890
thing like this at this time. There are some who are selling that they are, just we'll say.

764
01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:49,490
Okay, but that was a question for maybe Ryan or staff.

765
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,700
Yes, I mean, I think you can't, it is dynamic, right? You're making a decision now, but I think

766
01:02:56,700 --> 01:03:02,120
as it, if council's direction changes, it can, it can evolve with that.

767
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:08,480
So we could allow this for tonight, and if HR comes to us and brings us something that is a different

768
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,600
option better different later down the road we can change you'd probably want the motion to reflect that

769
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,700
But yes, you could you could even do it as a one-time

770
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:28,890
Do this is the one-time and then bring it again back in a year or two or two or three or to which is what I think the recommendation was anyways

771
01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:30,550
To do it well actually the

772
01:03:30,550 --> 01:03:36,590
Subtune motion. I made was through the fiscal year 2627 budget development process

773
01:03:36,590 --> 01:03:38,870
That was the subtune motion

774
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:43,870
All right. That was the staff direction, right? That's funding it for three years.

775
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:52,110
That was a suggested interval. I think in, I think in fire, we do it every two years.

776
01:03:52,830 --> 01:04:01,310
So the thought was, go to three year interval. Yeah. Okay. But again, you could, and it sounds like the motion is, you're approving ones.

777
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:14,550
But I will also say, I think the benefit of this is to establish baseline, so then you can continue on to review that baseline for any abnormality that may need further analysis.

778
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:17,370
So I want to be careful how we navigate that.

779
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:29,290
Doesn't mean that we can't come back and redo the whole thing, but maybe my suggestion is to skip the motion as is that I made for 2627 and then we can look beyond that later.

780
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:32,990
Okay, Council Member Guenza?

781
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:34,570
Yes.

782
01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:36,890
I have just two quick responses to some things.

783
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:37,850
One of them is political.

784
01:04:38,810 --> 01:04:40,990
If it was just about the exposure to carcinogens,

785
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:43,670
we would have given this to the public works employees in the first place.

786
01:04:43,790 --> 01:04:47,890
We wouldn't have waited for this to come back around and have some new recommendation on it.

787
01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:48,830
The other is medical.

788
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:53,110
Not only are there false positives, but even the studies that grail funded themselves.

789
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:56,050
They show a high rate of false negatives, which they've also shown.

790
01:04:56,310 --> 01:05:00,570
In the long run, people tend to get less of the more serious and more documented cancer tests.

791
01:05:00,570 --> 01:05:05,290
as a result of that. And so the concern that's brought up in the medical community is that this actually

792
01:05:05,290 --> 01:05:10,610
leads to people not realizing that they have cancer for longer period of time. So, it's

793
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:13,530
Council member Holly. This is just procedural.

794
01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:20,520
I missed heard council member O'Brien make a substitute

795
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:26,800
motion as a friendly amendment. So it would just be helpful for the clerk to maybe repeat both

796
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,120
motions before we take a vote on the substitute motion.

797
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:31,840
All right.

798
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:32,380
Madam Clerk.

799
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:35,900
Okay, so the substitute will let me go back to the first

800
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:42,980
motion, which was to actually move the, it was Council Member

801
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:46,160
Winseless, seconded by Goldstein, to move the

802
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,320
Cancer Testing, Discussion, Ending Negotiations and

803
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Heavy Jar, either to participate in that.

804
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,260
And then there was a substitute motion by Council Member

805
01:05:55,260 --> 01:06:05,220
Brian, seconded by Council Member Van, over back to include in the 2026-27 budget,

806
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,340
the allocated

807
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:16,120
amount to begin the testing and what staff had recommended was a three-year interval

808
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:20,730
and we

809
01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:26,410
would take the substitute motion first. Is everyone ready to vote on that one? Okay. Yes.

810
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:28,410
Council member Goldstein?

811
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:31,410
No.

812
01:06:33,050 --> 01:06:33,610
Council member Holly?

813
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:35,550
Council member O'Brien?

814
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:36,130
Yes.

815
01:06:36,610 --> 01:06:37,750
Council member Van over back?

816
01:06:37,870 --> 01:06:38,150
Yes.

817
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:39,530
Council member Winslow?

818
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:40,890
No.

819
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:43,010
Vice Mayor Bennett?

820
01:06:43,310 --> 01:06:43,590
Yes.

821
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:44,630
Mayor Reynolds?

822
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:44,930
Aye.

823
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:46,590
carries 4-3.

824
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:49,310
And so there's no need to go back to the first one.

825
01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:50,110
All right.

826
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:54,350
5.3 Confirmation and Public Works Director Operations and Maintenance.

827
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:56,050
Mark Swanson, City Manager.

828
01:06:56,350 --> 01:06:57,570
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

829
01:06:57,570 --> 01:07:03,010
Section 605 of the City Charter states that the appointment of department heads is subject to

830
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:07,890
confirmation by the City Council in order to meet this requirement, Council is being presented

831
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:12,310
with the Employment Agreement for the Public Works Director of Operations and Maintenance.

832
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:18,570
And as required by the Government Code, I will state for the record that I am proposing to enter

833
01:07:18,570 --> 01:07:24,610
into an Employment Agreement with Skyler Lipsky as Public Works Director Operations and Maintenance

834
01:07:24,610 --> 01:07:32,580
with an annual salary of $169,000 and with that recommend council confirmation of the appointment.

835
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:39,200
All right. Thank you for a wonderful report. How many speakers do we have?

836
01:07:40,670 --> 01:07:43,220
Of any. Oh, Skyler, nobody loves you.

837
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:47,190
Or everybody loves you, so I don't want to come up with them. All right.

838
01:07:48,750 --> 01:07:51,400
Like a motion to approve. I'll second that.

839
01:07:53,620 --> 01:08:04,700
I've always found Skyler super good to work with since being in the director role in the deputy director role in all of my interactions has been helpful on anything and I brought up so I'll say I'm happy to support the motion.

840
01:08:07,110 --> 01:08:08,770
Council member Goldstein.

841
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:09,730
Yes.

842
01:08:10,310 --> 01:08:11,010
Council member Holly.

843
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:13,330
Congratulations and yes.

844
01:08:13,870 --> 01:08:14,570
Council member O'Brien.

845
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:15,470
Very proud.

846
01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:16,450
Yes.

847
01:08:16,730 --> 01:08:17,910
Council member Van Everbeck.

848
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:24,350
I spent some time with Skyler today and I'm very impressed and so I am enthusiastically

849
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:25,430
yes.

850
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:26,610
Council Member Winslow.

851
01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:30,050
I was actually happy to have been sitting in the office with Skyler whenever there

852
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:35,990
was announcement that he got the job and then so they came Melissa came and switched out the name on the door.

853
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:36,830
That's cool.

854
01:08:37,190 --> 01:08:37,450
Yes.

855
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:40,820
Vice Mayor Bennett.

856
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:41,580
Congratulations.

857
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,040
Mayor Reynolds.

858
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,600
Thank you.

859
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:53,280
So we get to do a 70 revote and I get to announce that, so passes.

860
01:08:53,820 --> 01:08:57,820
All right, we have nothing posted after the agenda, reports of communications, the following

861
01:08:57,820 --> 01:09:03,880
reports of communications are, for councils of information, who actually can be taken under this

862
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:09,840
section unless the council agrees to bring it in on future agenda, city managers report.

863
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:11,580
All right, city.

864
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:20,670
If we have questions for, we can take it.

865
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:24,180
I would love to hear presentation.

866
01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:24,860
All right.

867
01:09:25,060 --> 01:09:25,760
Not to put you on.

868
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:27,560
Code enforcement penalties update.

869
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,120
It was for information only, but we have our wonderful

870
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,960
amazing Mr. Dirkon here.

871
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:33,800
Getting full information update.

872
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Mayor, council members.

873
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,700
Last year, council requested we revisit our new

874
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:42,780
since a statement process.

875
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:47,180
So I'm here to kind of reiterate that we have had success

876
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:49,920
with this process and there are going to be

877
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,180
some minor changes coming up that Syvica has worked out

878
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:57,280
just some language cleanup and also moving the violation

879
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,320
amount to $500 a day after 40 days in violation.

880
01:10:02,260 --> 01:10:04,900
But again, pretty minor changes other than that,

881
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,660
we've seen success with this and I don't have any

882
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:08,340
further recommendations.

883
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:10,780
But I'm happy to answer any questions.

884
01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:12,960
Council have questions for Mr. Good.

885
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:15,880
Yeah, how much fines have gone out?

886
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:16,700
This is a result of this.

887
01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:17,720
You gave me some kind of number.

888
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,200
But I was speaking about a different matter.

889
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:22,280
But this.

890
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:24,740
Probably around 9,000.

891
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:27,940
Not to one person.

892
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,620
Specifically those two that I listed.

893
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,220
Thank you.

894
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:36,550
All right.

895
01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:37,250
Thank you.

896
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:38,430
Thank you for giving.

897
01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:39,790
Can somebody go to see?

898
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:42,670
No, I just had encouraged you to present on this.

899
01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:43,610
So I said thanks.

900
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:47,670
I appreciate it. Thank you for letting us know that something that we made an advancement

901
01:10:47,670 --> 01:10:52,510
on is working well. Happy to hear you. The tools that you need to do for your job. Very

902
01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:53,610
well, thank you.

903
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:59,090
For information. Council Member Quest, pursuant to APNP-1010, Council Member may verbally request

904
01:10:59,090 --> 01:11:04,310
an item to ask at a future meeting after seeing whether I would be in a majority vote of Council

905
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:11,890
is needed in order for staff to ask. Do you have any Council Member request? No. All right,

906
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:17,250
we will adjourn to close session on Tuesday for a third at 5 p.m. or 530 followed by our

907
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:21,230
regular council meeting at 6 p.m. here at 421. May. Good night.