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are we good to go? Yeah. All

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>> I will call to order the

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regular planning commission

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meeting of thursday, AUGUST

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20th, 2026 and we will start

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with the pledge. Salute and

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pledge.

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>> I'd like. To the. United

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states of america and to the

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public.

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>> for which it stands one

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nation under GOD, indivisible

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with liberty and justice. And

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roll call please. Commissioner

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wolfe. Here.

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>> commissioner wahl. Here.

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>> commissioner sharp here.

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Commissioner laffins.

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>> here..

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>> commissioner bykerk kaufman

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here. Vice chair. Scarpa here.

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Chair scott here. All right.

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Seven people here. Um.

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>> just a speaker card

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announcement. Anyone wishing.

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>> to address the commission on

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any item um, listed on the

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agenda needs to, um, complete a

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speaker card that are in the

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back. Um, once those are

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completed, they can be turned

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in over here to the clerk and

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they're taken in the order that

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they are received. Um consent

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agenda. Um, nicole, do we have

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any speakers for consent? No.

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All right, so we just have one

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item uh, 2.1 approval of the

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meeting minutes. Wow. FEBRUARY

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2026. Is there a motion to

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approve? I move to approve. All

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right. And a second. So all

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right, so we have a motion by

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commissioner sharpe, a second

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by commissioner wall and uh,

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vote please. Commissioner

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wolff. Yes.

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>> commissioner wall.

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commissioner sharpe. Uh.

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>> commissioner laffins. Yes.

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Commissioner bykerk kauffman.

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Yes.

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>> vice chair.

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>> scarpa. Yes.

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>> chair.

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>> scott. Yes. So that passes.

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Seven zero. Um, we'll move on

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to uh public comments. Uh,

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members of the public MAY

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address the commission at this

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time on any matter not already

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listed on the agenda with

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comments being limited to three

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minutes. Nicole, do we have any

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public comment? No. Okay. Do we

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have any public comment from

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the audience? Great. And then

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we will move to item 4.1 a

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public hearing on use permit 20

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5-06 and architectural. Review

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ah. 20 508. Garrett you're. Up.

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>> oh it's pretty. I can't.

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All right. Good evening chair

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scott and members of the

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planning commission. My name is

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garrett norman and I am here

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this evening to present on the

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skyway travel center project

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located at the northeast corner

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of east park avenue and

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carmichael drive. The subject.

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Uh site is shown on the screen

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and outlined in yellow um and

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is just shy of one acre in

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size. The site formerly

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contained a restaurant and has

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since been vacant. The parcel

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is adjoined with the butte

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county office of education,

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which houses their

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administrative offices and

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provides technical instruction

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to students. The request before

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the commission is for a use

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permit and architectural review

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to construct and operate a new

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six pump gas station and

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convenient store and

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self-service car wash in the

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regional commercial zone. An

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iteration of this project was

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first presented to the

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commission in JULY of 2024, and

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the commission passed a motion

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to approve the project. The

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butte county office of

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education filed an appeal of

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that decision to city council.

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The applicant ultimately

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withdrew the application before

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going to council after

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discovering improvements were

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proposed within an access

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easement that's granted to bco,

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the applicant submitted a new

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application last year that

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reoriented the site plan,

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eliminated a coffee kiosk from

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the proposal and removed

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obstructions that were within

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the access easement. Shown on

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the screen is the proposed site

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plan the access easement that

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benefits the bco property that

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I was referring to is in this

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diagonal hatch mark right here.

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around the parcel so that is to

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remain um. Unobstructed and

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access for bco uh the fuel

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canopy is right here which

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fronts towards um carmichael.

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adjacent to that and then the,

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uh, proposed car wash is

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attached to the convenience

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store and the entrance to the

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car wash comes in from the

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north side and exit to the

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south. Shown on the screen is

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the proposed landscape plan.

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This landscape plan is updated

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from the one that was included

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in the staff report and has

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been provided to the commission

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earlier today by email. A paper

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copy of the plan has also been

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provided to each of you and is

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also available up at the front

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for the public. This revised

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plan eliminates two landscape

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planners that were um down here

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on the south end um and that

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were in conflict with the

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proposed underground storage

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tanks. The project still meets

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the tree shading and

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landscaping requirements of the

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municipal code 13 trees are

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proposed for removal as they

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conflicted with proposed

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improvements or were um in poor

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condition. New trees and

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replacement trees will be

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provided, improving overall

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shading and landscape coverage

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of the site as well as a

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variety of shrubs and bushes.

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elevations of the convenience

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store and attached car wash.

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The building uses a variety of

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materials such as stone, vinyl

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siding and board and batten.

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changes with push and pull

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elements as well as varied as

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well as a varied parapet

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creating articulation to the

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roof plane. Butte county office

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of education has reviewed the

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proposed plan and provided

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several letters of

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correspondence expressing

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concerns to the proposal. These

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letters have been included in

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the attached staff report and

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has also been provided to you

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as supplemental material. Um

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the applicant has addressed

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many of their concerns such as

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relocating the venting stacks

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for the underground storage

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tanks away from the bco

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property, ensuring that the

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fuel truck delivery will

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maneuver entirely within the

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gas stations property and

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relocating the trash enclosure

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away from the gazebo where

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students often congregate

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during breaks. Pco remains

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opposed to the proposed project

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citing concerns related to air

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quality, emergency response and

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site security. Staff finds the

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project is consistent with the

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general plan by activating an

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underutilized site, enhances

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architectural design and

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landscaping has been designed

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to reduce impacts to adjacent

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operations of the butte county

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office of education is um and

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is located in close proximity

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to highway 99 and the on and

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off ramps along east park

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avenue. Staff recommends the

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commission approve the project

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based on the findings of fact

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and subject to the conditions

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of approval contained in the

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staff report. This concludes my

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presentation and both staff and

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the applicant are available for

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questions. Thank you.

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>> okay um so we'll start with

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uh questions for staff and I'll

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start to my left. Uh yeah just

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uh one question and it has to

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do with um um the easement on

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the property and circulation.

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going around this building. Is

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there a mutual easement in

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place? It seems like there was

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easement that was on the bco

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drive aisles that benefited

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both properties. Um, but that

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easement had an expiration date

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which had expired in 2020 so.

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It no longer benefits the

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subject parcel. All right. And

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and now that I'm sorry I didn't

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bring this up to you earlier

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but now that I'm looking at the

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at the site line, does that

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mean that um uh, this property

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does not have access to the uh,

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driveway that. Uh.

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>> exits on to east park? Uh,

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the subject property will have

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ingress and egress access right

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here. Um, off of carmichael.

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of east park. Right. And this

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driveway access just for

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clarity is, um. Will be closed

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and, um, improved with, uh,

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landscaping. All right.

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>> thank you. Any other

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questions to my left? Uh,

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question on procedures. Um.

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>> so we're going to do a

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health risk assessment. From

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the air quality board.

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>> so happen before or after a

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after a. Maintenance so that

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typically that practice happens

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after um it's standard for

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entitlements for an applicant

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to secure their land use

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entitlements from the local

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agencies first and then.

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>> go. Through the subsequent.

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Permitting that occurs after

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>> one. Of. Those is going

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through the the local air

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district. Okay.

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>> thank you. Um and one more

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um do we have any guidance from

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the uh I know the general plan

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doesn't discuss it. Um, so the

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pine dogwoods doing guidance

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from the egg clinic committee,

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the chico clinic clipboard

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about.

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>> uh. Emissions from gas

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stations. This project

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specifically did not go before

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the climate action committee. I

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think for like any general

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guidance. Um, to my knowledge,

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uh. About gas stations, we do

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not have any policy, um, for

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use permits in gas. Stations

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due. To issue no. Okay.

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>> am I right? Yeah.

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>> I have. A couple questions.

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So, um, the permit. Findings

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what the staff report says is

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that, um, this use would. Not

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be detrimental to the health,

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safety and. General welfare of

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persons residing.

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>> or working in the.

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Neighborhood of the proposed

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use. Um, there are. Children

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going to school. At the.

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>> county office. Of education.

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Building.

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>> um and that wasn't

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mentioned. In um any of the

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documents. Uh, it's hard for me

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to imagine that um a

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convenience store that sells

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alcohol and uh, tobacco would

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be a good thing to have right

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next to a school. Apparently

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there's children as young as

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ten that, um, attend classes

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there. So I'm just wondering

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did you take that into

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consideration? Yeah.

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>> the proposed, uh, request

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before us this evening is a

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land use entitlement to

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establish a gas station. It

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does not take into

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consideration the items that

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MAY be sold as part of the

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convenience store. There's no

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use permit requirement to sell

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alcohol or to sell tobacco

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products within the convenience

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store. So, um, let's say this

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gas station wasn't here and it

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was just a um, retail store.

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That retail store could go in

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by right without any use permit

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requirement and they could

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still. Choose to.

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>> sell alcohol or tobacco. Um,

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because it would be allowed.

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within that zone they would

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still have to get their

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permitting of course through

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abc and what other state

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requirements. But there's

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that's coming to us merely

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because it's it's a gas

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station.

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>> correct. Garrett, could you

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just repeat maybe and help us

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the current zoning that's there

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and then what would be allowed

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by right there? Yeah.

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>> so the the current zoning is

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regional commercial. So it

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actually allows a variety of

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land uses usually commercial

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serving type land uses. So as I

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mentioned like a retail store

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maybe a grocery store or

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pharmacy um or even a small

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retail store would be permitted

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by right. Um they would come in

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for like a staff level

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administrative review for the

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architecture of the site. Um

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gas stations within the city

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require use permits in most

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zones and this is one of the

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zones that requires a use

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permit. So that's why it's

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before the commission this

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evening. Other questions? Um.

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>> I you know, I've learned a

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little. Bit about what. Vent

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stacks. Are and I've. Never

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heard.

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>> of them before. I'm sure

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I'll be looking for them in

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every.

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>> gas. Station now but. It has

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there. Been any I didn't really

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understand what I was reading

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when I was researching was that

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it's. Going to vent. Gases and

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is there any requirement for

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that? I mean I know we are also

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right next to a highway so I'm

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sure there's plenty of gases

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being emitted there. But is

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there any requirements that

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we've. Overlooked regarding

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those vent stacks? We don't

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have any policy or code

404
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requirements within the city

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code that would um regulate the

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placement or location event

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pipes. Um a lot of that is

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handled through the.

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>> the local. Air district um

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to manage that placement. What

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we were concerned a more about

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was the esthetics of that and

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how it MAY be screened. Um so

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they are including some

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landscaping to help with the

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screening because it is at that

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corner. Um, but we don't have

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any sort of environmental

419
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regulations about where. That's

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located and they are required

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for all gas stations and um, as

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you learned as designed to do a

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little bit that you will find

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them when you approach a gas

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station. Okay.

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>> thank you. Um I have another

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question. Um, which is

428
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carmichael is a dead end

429
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street. Um, and so I'm just

430
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wondering about the emergency

431
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access if if there's something

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going on at this gas station,

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let's say there's a fire. Um,

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anybody needing to get out of

435
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the area would have to go right

436
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past the gas station on

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carmichael to get out. Um, what

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,um, was that something that

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was looked at? Yeah, our our

440
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fire department did review

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these plans. Um, and they will

442
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review it again. Um, if it's

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approved and moves forward to

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building permit. Um, and there

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are two points of ingress and

446
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egress here that are on

447
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carmichael. Um.

448
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>> uh, department of public

449
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works could maybe clarify more,

450
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but having access on. The east.

451
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Park is, um, not a good idea

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because it's a a heavy arterial

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roadway. So that's why there's

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no, um, access that is there.

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But my general understanding

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about, um, the fire code and

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the requirements is that you at

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least maintain like two points

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of access in and out of a site.

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Um, and. More importantly that

461
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the maneuvering on site is

462
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adequate enough for a fire

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truck to be able to get in

464
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there and circulate around the

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entire building and be able to

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pull their hose to all. Corners

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of the building as well. So

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that was already preliminary

469
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looked at by the fire

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department and there were no

471
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access, circulation or concerns

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flagged by the fire department.

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Yes, I guess what I was asking

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about though was people having

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to use the carmichael to get

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away from the area in general.

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So if carmichael is blocked

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then anybody who is working in

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that area or just is in that

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area that they won't be able to

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get out. I don't know if that

482
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has any ideas on that. Um, it

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is signalized. I can't speak

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to. What it would be in the

485
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event of a fire emergency and

486
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it depends on how many people

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are there and how many people

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need to get out at that

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specific time and what those

490
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conditions are at the time that

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the fire is occurring.

492
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Obviously emergency personnel

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would show up and if there is

494
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threat to the lives, I'm sure

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they have some protocol to

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expeditiously get people out of

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carmichael and make a quick

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right probably on the east

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park.

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>> and get them out of the

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location. The neighboring

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property. Does have egress. Off

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of. East park as well though.

504
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Yeah that's correct. There's

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there's.

506
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>> two driveway points. Yeah

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additional questions. Uh well.

508
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>> yes and.

509
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>> I didn't see signage was

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discussed in any of the um uh

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any of the materials. Can you

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speak a little bit about what

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signs will be on the property

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or is proposed. For the

515
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property? Yeah.

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>> so there has not been a

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tenant identified um for this

518
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so the the staff report vaguely

519
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speaks to that they have

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locational ideas of where some

521
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of that signage would be and

522
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you can see them here on the

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elevations. We also have a

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condition of approval that um,

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all signage is subject to a

526
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separate review and approval

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process and to be consistent

528
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with the municipal code. So uh,

529
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when that comes in staff will

530
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evaluate that against the code

531
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and make sure it's complies.

532
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Great.

533
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>> are we ready to open the

534
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public hearing? Okay. So we

535
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will open the public hearing

536
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and we will begin with the

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applicant julio tanjiro. Good

538
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evening. Hi my name is aaron

539
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from milestone associates from

540
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yuba city. Uh, we're the design

541
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firm for the project. Um, we're

542
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glad to be before you this

543
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evening. I want to thank you

544
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for taking the time for your

545
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package. I also want to thank

546
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staff garrett for all his help

547
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during this process. As you

548
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mentioned earlier, you know we

549
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originally started this project

550
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back in 24. So it's been kind

551
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of a lengthy process. But uh

552
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the good thing about it is that

553
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the the owner of the project is

554
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been totally um, wanting to

555
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work with um, you county and

556
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we've done everything pretty

557
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much at the last by still

558
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making the project viable

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because we need you know, there

560
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are some things that we just

561
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can't do based on the type of

562
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project that it is. But we did

563
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take all their concerns into

564
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consideration and actually

565
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consult with experts in those

566
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specific concerns that they

567
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had. And we actually had a

568
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letter addressed or included in

569
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your package that you you were

570
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able to refer to you um the

571
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easement. Yeah. That was just

572
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kind of like a surprise for us.

573
00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:52,291
But um again, that didn't kill

574
00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:54,361
the project. We still had

575
00:19:54,361 --> 00:19:55,562
access off of carmichael. So

576
00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:56,963
although it would have been

577
00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:58,498
easier to be able to have more

578
00:19:58,498 --> 00:20:00,200
access off of the adjacent

579
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,269
property like originally was

580
00:20:02,269 --> 00:20:05,269
designed um it didn't affect

581
00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:06,740
the project. We have uh,

582
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,740
circulation throughout the

583
00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:11,211
project and avoided all the

584
00:20:11,211 --> 00:20:13,280
conflicts. It was reviewed by

585
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,648
traffic um and again all the

586
00:20:14,648 --> 00:20:16,160
departments reviewed it and um

587
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,384
the comments that were

588
00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:18,786
presented were addressed so

589
00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:20,487
there wasn't anything regarding

590
00:20:20,487 --> 00:20:23,487
that one access off of

591
00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:26,326
carmichael. Um the seed uh

592
00:20:26,326 --> 00:20:28,610
again it we meet all the zoning

593
00:20:28,610 --> 00:20:29,262
requirements so they're not

594
00:20:29,262 --> 00:20:31,164
we're not asking for an

595
00:20:31,164 --> 00:20:33,567
exception or a uh, variance or

596
00:20:33,567 --> 00:20:36,567
we've met everything that the

597
00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:39,406
city required and so um, when

598
00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:41,275
quite a couple of questions

599
00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,177
were brought up the mean stacks

600
00:20:43,177 --> 00:20:44,544
i mean, it's kind of like it's

601
00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:46,447
kind of funny because every gas

602
00:20:46,447 --> 00:20:47,814
station has them and you really

603
00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:49,182
don't see them. We try to

604
00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:50,751
screen them but state

605
00:20:50,751 --> 00:20:52,986
requirement that we have those

606
00:20:52,986 --> 00:20:54,188
tanks uh vented and so we

607
00:20:54,188 --> 00:20:55,890
usually do it somewhere where

608
00:20:55,890 --> 00:20:57,257
it's not visible. Um you

609
00:20:57,257 --> 00:20:58,292
obviously don't smell them

610
00:20:58,292 --> 00:20:59,326
because a lot of people are

611
00:20:59,326 --> 00:21:00,560
like oh I'm going to be

612
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960
smelling fumes but if you go to

613
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,797
any gas station I mean usually

614
00:21:03,797 --> 00:21:04,999
it's at the pump or you might

615
00:21:04,999 --> 00:21:07,670
smell something but they have

616
00:21:07,670 --> 00:21:09,136
the vacuum pump so it's very

617
00:21:09,136 --> 00:21:10,837
minimal if anything in the way

618
00:21:10,837 --> 00:21:13,274
they're designed is high enough

619
00:21:13,274 --> 00:21:15,509
that it's going to disperse any

620
00:21:15,509 --> 00:21:17,211
kind of fuel. If there was um,

621
00:21:17,211 --> 00:21:18,946
it's not going to be down at

622
00:21:18,946 --> 00:21:21,682
the ground level where it would

623
00:21:21,682 --> 00:21:23,750
affect pedestrians. So that's a

624
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,118
common design that's been

625
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:26,653
around for since gas stations

626
00:21:26,653 --> 00:21:28,556
have been around. So it's not

627
00:21:28,556 --> 00:21:31,491
uh that really isn't a concern.

628
00:21:31,491 --> 00:21:33,193
Um fire department did review

629
00:21:33,193 --> 00:21:35,262
the project and again they

630
00:21:35,262 --> 00:21:36,798
reviewed the driveways. Um we

631
00:21:36,798 --> 00:21:38,166
originally wanted to keep the

632
00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:39,733
existing driveway on the south

633
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,602
because again we have more

634
00:21:41,602 --> 00:21:43,337
access better for us. But um,

635
00:21:43,337 --> 00:21:44,706
traffic came back and said that

636
00:21:44,706 --> 00:21:46,440
it was too close to the corner

637
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,975
and might cause conflicts and

638
00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:49,342
peer reviewed it and they said

639
00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:51,780
the site still was viable with

640
00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:52,780
the one driveway. So that

641
00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:56,217
worked out really well. So you

642
00:21:56,217 --> 00:21:57,785
kind of met with the city and

643
00:21:57,785 --> 00:22:00,785
agreed to close that south

644
00:22:01,923 --> 00:22:03,958
driveway. Um the cul de sac

645
00:22:03,958 --> 00:22:05,526
question that's that's

646
00:22:05,526 --> 00:22:06,727
interesting because I mean

647
00:22:06,727 --> 00:22:08,429
right now it's a classic,

648
00:22:08,429 --> 00:22:10,164
right? So I mean any building

649
00:22:10,164 --> 00:22:12,399
that's on that street that gets

650
00:22:12,399 --> 00:22:13,768
has a fire or emergency

651
00:22:13,768 --> 00:22:15,136
regardless of at the gas

652
00:22:15,136 --> 00:22:16,838
station or anything else

653
00:22:16,838 --> 00:22:19,272
they're going to have that

654
00:22:19,272 --> 00:22:20,975
conflict or evacuation concern

655
00:22:20,975 --> 00:22:22,510
like was mentioned on this

656
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,245
project is that on our specific

657
00:22:24,245 --> 00:22:25,613
parcel and the you county's

658
00:22:25,613 --> 00:22:26,981
parcel they actually have

659
00:22:26,981 --> 00:22:29,583
another exit. So if something

660
00:22:29,583 --> 00:22:31,285
happened on our site it should

661
00:22:31,285 --> 00:22:33,354
be able to get around our

662
00:22:33,354 --> 00:22:34,889
property and but it was to come

663
00:22:34,889 --> 00:22:36,624
down carmichael back to park.

664
00:22:36,624 --> 00:22:38,326
So regardless of people's lives

665
00:22:38,326 --> 00:22:41,950
or somebody else that concern

666
00:22:41,950 --> 00:22:42,463
already exists and we are

667
00:22:42,463 --> 00:22:43,831
already by allowing the

668
00:22:43,831 --> 00:22:46,670
multiple access points or

669
00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:47,802
egress um it was deemed that it

670
00:22:47,802 --> 00:22:50,802
would not come create a

671
00:22:50,872 --> 00:22:52,773
conflict and then uh the

672
00:22:52,773 --> 00:22:54,675
signage question uh yeah we're

673
00:22:54,675 --> 00:22:56,544
required by state to have price

674
00:22:56,544 --> 00:22:58,112
signing. So we have these

675
00:22:58,112 --> 00:22:59,814
monument signs that we have to

676
00:22:59,814 --> 00:23:01,883
provide the prices those are

677
00:23:01,883 --> 00:23:04,119
requirement but we also have

678
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,653
tenant signage so it all meets

679
00:23:05,653 --> 00:23:07,550
uh it all has to be designed

680
00:23:07,550 --> 00:23:08,923
per the city sign ordinance.

681
00:23:08,923 --> 00:23:11,250
And as garrett mentioned it

682
00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:12,227
comes back to before you for

683
00:23:12,227 --> 00:23:13,427
approval under a separate

684
00:23:13,427 --> 00:23:15,162
submittal so you guys will have

685
00:23:15,162 --> 00:23:17,310
a chance to review it. And we

686
00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:18,766
also design those to match the

687
00:23:18,766 --> 00:23:21,766
building decor so they don't

688
00:23:21,869 --> 00:23:23,571
they match the overall building

689
00:23:23,571 --> 00:23:25,640
architectural theme and works

690
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,800
together. So that will be

691
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,210
definitely encouraged with our

692
00:23:28,210 --> 00:23:31,210
sign vendor when we present

693
00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:32,681
that to you. Um with that um

694
00:23:32,681 --> 00:23:34,490
again we're really excited

695
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:35,416
about the project. This is a

696
00:23:35,416 --> 00:23:37,853
unique project. It's not a

697
00:23:37,853 --> 00:23:39,921
prototype like you see multiple

698
00:23:39,921 --> 00:23:41,623
times is a unique design for

699
00:23:41,623 --> 00:23:42,824
chico. So you guys are going to

700
00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:43,692
have this you're never going to

701
00:23:43,692 --> 00:23:45,226
see this design anywhere else.

702
00:23:45,226 --> 00:23:46,594
So we made it specifically for

703
00:23:46,594 --> 00:23:48,162
this location so we're excited

704
00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:50,399
about that. And again we've

705
00:23:50,399 --> 00:23:53,134
been doing these projects up

706
00:23:53,134 --> 00:23:55,203
and down the state for 30 years

707
00:23:55,203 --> 00:23:57,606
and we know the concerns about

708
00:23:57,606 --> 00:24:00,800
traffic um you know the

709
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,576
concerns about safety all those

710
00:24:01,576 --> 00:24:03,111
are always our number one

711
00:24:03,111 --> 00:24:05,179
concern when we design these.

712
00:24:05,179 --> 00:24:07,216
And so I want to just express

713
00:24:07,216 --> 00:24:08,783
that we did really do our due

714
00:24:08,783 --> 00:24:10,151
diligence to make sure what we

715
00:24:10,151 --> 00:24:12,220
provide would be something to

716
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:13,756
the benefit to the city and the

717
00:24:13,756 --> 00:24:16,692
citizens of chico. So with

718
00:24:16,692 --> 00:24:19,260
that, um is there any questions

719
00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:20,996
I can answer? Any questions to

720
00:24:20,996 --> 00:24:23,396
my left commissioner. Yes.

721
00:24:25,434 --> 00:24:27,168
>> um um, first I'd like to say

722
00:24:27,168 --> 00:24:29,905
thanks for taking the time to

723
00:24:29,905 --> 00:24:31,806
work with um um, the county

724
00:24:31,806 --> 00:24:33,342
folks and in resolving it seems

725
00:24:33,342 --> 00:24:35,244
like a lot of the issues that

726
00:24:35,244 --> 00:24:36,778
came up I know that's um, took

727
00:24:36,778 --> 00:24:38,180
a lot of time, a lot of work.

728
00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:40,580
So that's that's appreciated.

729
00:24:40,916 --> 00:24:43,318
Um, I had a question for you

730
00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:45,530
about the, um, the car wash and

731
00:24:45,530 --> 00:24:46,755
the need for any additional

732
00:24:46,755 --> 00:24:49,158
stacking leading into that car

733
00:24:49,158 --> 00:24:50,359
wash and like this is a fairly

734
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,593
small gas station so maybe

735
00:24:51,593 --> 00:24:52,761
that's not going to be an issue

736
00:24:52,761 --> 00:24:54,663
but I know in some other

737
00:24:54,663 --> 00:24:55,363
settings it can and how does

738
00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:57,599
that work in. Terms.

739
00:24:57,599 --> 00:24:59,301
>> so most of the variance is

740
00:24:59,301 --> 00:25:01,369
considered an in bay automatic.

741
00:25:01,369 --> 00:25:03,772
So usually they have a one car

742
00:25:03,772 --> 00:25:06,341
stack because it's a quick um

743
00:25:06,341 --> 00:25:08,770
in and out. Um it's not like

744
00:25:08,770 --> 00:25:09,778
you don't want to compare it to

745
00:25:09,778 --> 00:25:10,980
like an express car wash that

746
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:12,470
you see these popping up all

747
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:13,748
over the place like quick

748
00:25:13,748 --> 00:25:15,651
quicker surf through those are

749
00:25:15,651 --> 00:25:16,852
these are just mostly for gas

750
00:25:16,852 --> 00:25:17,853
customers who might get a

751
00:25:17,853 --> 00:25:19,922
discount on a car wash. Right.

752
00:25:19,922 --> 00:25:21,657
Getting pump is not going to be

753
00:25:21,657 --> 00:25:23,250
uh high traffic. So our

754
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:24,927
experience using these it's

755
00:25:24,927 --> 00:25:26,629
usually you know one uh two

756
00:25:26,629 --> 00:25:28,300
stack in this case we designed

757
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:29,397
it where the site was kind of

758
00:25:29,397 --> 00:25:30,599
tight but we did provide the

759
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:31,967
one stack and then we had the

760
00:25:31,967 --> 00:25:34,203
overflow that even if it did

761
00:25:34,203 --> 00:25:36,605
back up into the aisle it would

762
00:25:36,605 --> 00:25:37,973
still provide um it would be a

763
00:25:37,973 --> 00:25:39,174
minimal time for it because

764
00:25:39,174 --> 00:25:40,576
these car washed as you guys

765
00:25:40,576 --> 00:25:41,777
know they go pretty quick. So

766
00:25:41,777 --> 00:25:44,346
if there was any kind of

767
00:25:44,346 --> 00:25:46,480
stacking it would be um it

768
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,950
wouldn't impact that dry bill.

769
00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:49,518
All right. And we haven't had

770
00:25:49,518 --> 00:25:50,886
the problem with stacking but

771
00:25:50,886 --> 00:25:52,588
if it was I know the applicant

772
00:25:52,588 --> 00:25:53,789
or the owner has had staff

773
00:25:53,789 --> 00:25:55,157
where they go out there and

774
00:25:55,157 --> 00:25:56,726
they might you know close it

775
00:25:56,726 --> 00:25:58,427
off kind of like driving

776
00:25:58,427 --> 00:25:59,462
queuing for starbucks or one of

777
00:25:59,462 --> 00:26:00,663
these coffee places we do the

778
00:26:00,663 --> 00:26:01,864
kind of the same thing we

779
00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:02,898
haven't had to do it for these

780
00:26:02,898 --> 00:26:04,433
types of car washes again

781
00:26:04,433 --> 00:26:06,100
because they're small okay. But

782
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:07,704
that's one of the options if it

783
00:26:07,704 --> 00:26:08,737
it become a you know. I got

784
00:26:08,737 --> 00:26:10,806
some questions for you too

785
00:26:10,806 --> 00:26:12,542
about the um some of the design

786
00:26:12,542 --> 00:26:14,944
aspects of the project. I

787
00:26:14,944 --> 00:26:17,679
noticed the uh the canopy has a

788
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,820
minimum um, height of uh, 16ft

789
00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,485
above the pavement and I'm

790
00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:23,519
wondering about um, some of our

791
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:24,887
design guidelines that talk

792
00:26:24,887 --> 00:26:26,288
about trying to maintain a

793
00:26:26,288 --> 00:26:28,688
human scale, pedestrian scale

794
00:26:28,691 --> 00:26:30,759
and whatnot. Is it possible to,

795
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:31,794
um, to lower that a bit and

796
00:26:31,794 --> 00:26:33,162
still comply with the building

797
00:26:33,162 --> 00:26:35,640
code? I I think the answer is

798
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,766
yes but from your. Yeah we we

799
00:26:36,766 --> 00:26:38,834
try to do it we design it. Uh

800
00:26:38,834 --> 00:26:40,870
you know the minimum height on

801
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:42,772
highways is 14ft and we try to

802
00:26:42,772 --> 00:26:44,507
keep it um a little bit higher

803
00:26:44,507 --> 00:26:47,507
just for the unknown safety

804
00:26:47,943 --> 00:26:49,312
factor and throughout uh,

805
00:26:49,312 --> 00:26:51,547
almost every petroleum company

806
00:26:51,547 --> 00:26:53,249
has a 16 foot minimum for in

807
00:26:53,249 --> 00:26:54,984
this case it would be more like

808
00:26:54,984 --> 00:26:57,530
rvs or mobile homes that are

809
00:26:57,530 --> 00:26:58,788
coming down the 99 they're a

810
00:26:58,788 --> 00:27:00,657
lot higher but they might stack

811
00:27:00,657 --> 00:27:02,392
something on top so it's more

812
00:27:02,392 --> 00:27:04,961
of a safety concern. You could

813
00:27:04,961 --> 00:27:08,230
drop it down but um overall I

814
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:09,933
think we usually don't go lower

815
00:27:09,933 --> 00:27:10,800
than I haven't done a gas

816
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,535
station where I've gone lower

817
00:27:12,535 --> 00:27:14,236
than like ten 15ft but usually

818
00:27:14,236 --> 00:27:15,638
14 would be that's the minimum

819
00:27:15,638 --> 00:27:17,700
for state highway. So if you're

820
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:18,374
driving down the highway you're

821
00:27:18,374 --> 00:27:19,742
going to be less than that. So

822
00:27:19,742 --> 00:27:21,477
you're right you know we just

823
00:27:21,477 --> 00:27:22,846
want to make sure there's no

824
00:27:22,846 --> 00:27:24,470
they don't need the canopy

825
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,414
because that's pretty expensive

826
00:27:25,414 --> 00:27:27,150
and then structure. Thank you.

827
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:30,150
>> and then about the the

828
00:27:30,587 --> 00:27:32,454
lighting under the canopy um

829
00:27:32,454 --> 00:27:34,230
some parts of it are it looks

830
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:35,391
like the lighting comes in at

831
00:27:35,391 --> 00:27:36,592
around 30 foot candles and

832
00:27:36,592 --> 00:27:39,592
other parts it kind of

833
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:41,564
disperses a little bit. Um and

834
00:27:41,564 --> 00:27:42,766
we don't have some we don't we

835
00:27:42,766 --> 00:27:44,501
don't know much about that

836
00:27:44,501 --> 00:27:46,202
really as a panel but it seemed

837
00:27:46,202 --> 00:27:47,937
like you know, just looking at

838
00:27:47,937 --> 00:27:48,972
what other cities have the

839
00:27:48,972 --> 00:27:51,400
standards and whatnot that that

840
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,760
was a little on the bright side

841
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,811
is this something that is um

842
00:27:54,811 --> 00:27:56,880
from your perspective an

843
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,147
absolute necessity uh, for the

844
00:27:57,147 --> 00:27:59,147
so.

845
00:27:59,616 --> 00:28:00,984
>> we we have the uh design

846
00:28:00,984 --> 00:28:03,384
guidelines um, by the

847
00:28:03,419 --> 00:28:05,819
corporation plus just the

848
00:28:06,490 --> 00:28:08,225
industry in general and we hire

849
00:28:08,225 --> 00:28:10,294
uh lighting consultant who are

850
00:28:10,294 --> 00:28:12,329
experts in lighting and so they

851
00:28:12,329 --> 00:28:14,731
have the criteria to make sure

852
00:28:14,731 --> 00:28:16,800
it's lit well for operation for

853
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,167
safety security. But also we

854
00:28:18,167 --> 00:28:20,700
got to consider that we don't

855
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,438
want to bleed off the site and

856
00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:24,207
become a nuisance to the

857
00:28:24,207 --> 00:28:25,909
adjacent. So if you look at the

858
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:27,310
photometric plan they do show

859
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:29,346
like you said it is bright

860
00:28:29,346 --> 00:28:30,914
under the the canopy. We want

861
00:28:30,914 --> 00:28:32,449
to make sure that you can see

862
00:28:32,449 --> 00:28:34,851
what you're doing but it does

863
00:28:34,851 --> 00:28:36,386
taper off as it goes out. So in

864
00:28:36,386 --> 00:28:37,788
general it is an industry

865
00:28:37,788 --> 00:28:40,357
standard to keep them brighter

866
00:28:40,357 --> 00:28:43,259
under the canopy and then and a

867
00:28:43,259 --> 00:28:45,495
phase it out as you go. As is

868
00:28:45,495 --> 00:28:46,530
the um uh the surface on the

869
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:47,764
underside of the canopy

870
00:28:47,764 --> 00:28:48,765
reflective or is it going to be

871
00:28:48,765 --> 00:28:49,799
a matte finish? How is that

872
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,399
going to be treated? It's kind

873
00:28:53,604 --> 00:28:54,805
of like a white um uh surface

874
00:28:54,805 --> 00:28:56,805
on it. Okay.

875
00:28:56,874 --> 00:28:59,760
>> I don't know what it's like.

876
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,512
They call it a like an acm type

877
00:29:01,512 --> 00:29:01,812
material. Um metal cladding.

878
00:29:01,812 --> 00:29:03,460
Yeah.

879
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:04,247
>> I'm just trying to get an

880
00:29:04,247 --> 00:29:05,615
idea of if it's, you know,

881
00:29:05,615 --> 00:29:06,983
matter highly reflective in

882
00:29:06,983 --> 00:29:09,753
terms of the the actual

883
00:29:09,753 --> 00:29:11,822
surface. Uh or. Mhm.

884
00:29:11,822 --> 00:29:12,489
>> that's a good question again

885
00:29:12,489 --> 00:29:14,889
okay. I don't think.

886
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,327
>> it's I probably be gloss I

887
00:29:18,327 --> 00:29:21,327
guess maybe for weather um

888
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,702
purposes I don't. Okay thank

889
00:29:24,702 --> 00:29:25,235
you that's all I had. Any other

890
00:29:25,235 --> 00:29:27,235
questions left.

891
00:29:28,472 --> 00:29:29,340
>> yeah uh thank you um can you

892
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:31,410
walk me through the thinking

893
00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:33,810
for the crosswalk to the to the

894
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,247
gazebo area? Okay, so that's a

895
00:29:37,247 --> 00:29:38,949
really there was a a walkway.

896
00:29:38,949 --> 00:29:40,684
There's an existing, uh,

897
00:29:40,684 --> 00:29:42,520
planter from the gazebo going

898
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,121
south and there's a sidewalk

899
00:29:44,121 --> 00:29:45,856
there. So we added that

900
00:29:45,856 --> 00:29:48,580
crosswalk to we figured if

901
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:49,590
somebody is going to be at the

902
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:49,760
school and they want to be at

903
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,795
the gazebo, they probably want

904
00:29:50,795 --> 00:29:52,330
to go to the convenience store

905
00:29:52,330 --> 00:29:53,697
and buy a sandwich or pop or

906
00:29:53,697 --> 00:29:55,432
something. So we just wanted to

907
00:29:55,432 --> 00:29:57,467
make sure that was a delineated

908
00:29:57,467 --> 00:29:59,203
walkway just so that it's a

909
00:29:59,203 --> 00:30:00,938
little bit more safety factor.

910
00:30:00,938 --> 00:30:02,305
And just to make it clear that

911
00:30:02,305 --> 00:30:04,174
they could actually have access

912
00:30:04,174 --> 00:30:07,174
to that existing walk in

913
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,955
gazebo. Anything else? I have a

914
00:30:18,955 --> 00:30:21,250
question. Um, what's your

915
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:23,425
anticipated life of this

916
00:30:23,427 --> 00:30:25,495
business mean? We're kind of

917
00:30:25,495 --> 00:30:27,231
switching from gas powered

918
00:30:27,231 --> 00:30:29,267
vehicles to electric vehicles

919
00:30:29,267 --> 00:30:32,350
and there's already three gas

920
00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:35,472
stations within a mile of the

921
00:30:35,472 --> 00:30:36,841
site. Um, seems like this place

922
00:30:36,841 --> 00:30:38,209
won't be in business all that

923
00:30:38,209 --> 00:30:40,110
long. Either that or the other

924
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:41,312
places will go out of business.

925
00:30:41,312 --> 00:30:43,712
What is your anticipated

926
00:30:44,248 --> 00:30:46,117
business life of this project?

927
00:30:46,117 --> 00:30:47,852
>> I mean average is like a 20

928
00:30:47,852 --> 00:30:49,720
year life when they they

929
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,922
estimate 20 years but we know

930
00:30:50,922 --> 00:30:52,490
what's happening in california

931
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:55,226
and what's going on with the ev

932
00:30:55,226 --> 00:30:57,462
and um, those uh these stations

933
00:30:57,462 --> 00:30:58,663
have actually started a lot of

934
00:30:58,663 --> 00:30:59,864
these big petroleum companies

935
00:30:59,864 --> 00:31:00,732
are realizing that as well. So

936
00:31:00,732 --> 00:31:02,801
they're real they're starting

937
00:31:02,801 --> 00:31:05,202
to have us have the potential

938
00:31:05,202 --> 00:31:07,272
to possibly convert to eb or

939
00:31:07,272 --> 00:31:09,340
provide more ev spaces on site.

940
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:11,420
So uh, you know, the california

941
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:12,577
code requires us to add some

942
00:31:12,577 --> 00:31:15,680
spaces based on the number of

943
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,881
parking. So as the mandates

944
00:31:16,881 --> 00:31:18,616
start coming down the

945
00:31:18,616 --> 00:31:19,984
requirements for eb the site

946
00:31:19,984 --> 00:31:22,984
would be able to provide

947
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,656
additional ev chargers. But the

948
00:31:25,656 --> 00:31:27,558
they're expecting to be at

949
00:31:27,558 --> 00:31:29,961
least 20 years. So I I don't

950
00:31:29,961 --> 00:31:32,196
know how quickly the ev mandate

951
00:31:32,196 --> 00:31:33,931
will be down but it's um

952
00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:36,931
they're are projecting is it's

953
00:31:39,403 --> 00:31:42,507
going to be while still. And

954
00:31:42,507 --> 00:31:44,909
are there any provisions to um

955
00:31:44,909 --> 00:31:46,277
have money set aside to take.

956
00:31:46,277 --> 00:31:47,645
The so what the tanks.

957
00:31:47,645 --> 00:31:50,470
>> out when they're no longer

958
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:51,449
needed. So they're. Leaking

959
00:31:51,449 --> 00:31:52,984
hazardous material into the

960
00:31:52,984 --> 00:31:54,686
ground? I don't know about that

961
00:31:54,686 --> 00:31:56,254
one because I know you guys are

962
00:31:56,254 --> 00:31:57,955
I don't even know. But back in

963
00:31:57,955 --> 00:32:00,250
the 80s they had a big state

964
00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:01,392
fund that paid um gas stations

965
00:32:01,392 --> 00:32:02,960
to replace their underground

966
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,496
fuel tanks because they were

967
00:32:04,496 --> 00:32:05,697
leaking and so they came up

968
00:32:05,697 --> 00:32:07,599
with the uh you know, basically

969
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:08,966
code is is hey, we're going to

970
00:32:08,966 --> 00:32:10,668
pay you guys a big chunk of

971
00:32:10,668 --> 00:32:12,904
money to just replace them. And

972
00:32:12,904 --> 00:32:14,472
so it was a oh, the state fund

973
00:32:14,472 --> 00:32:15,506
that actually it was a federal

974
00:32:15,506 --> 00:32:17,576
fund that actually helped the

975
00:32:17,576 --> 00:32:19,611
owners do that. So I'm pretty

976
00:32:19,611 --> 00:32:20,845
sure that you know, these gas

977
00:32:20,845 --> 00:32:22,380
station guys are big guys as

978
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:24,820
you guys can imagine. Um, they

979
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:25,817
they're going to want to do

980
00:32:25,817 --> 00:32:27,886
whatever they can to work with

981
00:32:27,886 --> 00:32:30,956
the local agencies but to make

982
00:32:30,956 --> 00:32:33,191
a local business owner replace

983
00:32:33,191 --> 00:32:35,930
them that's going to be a big

984
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:36,127
expense and that would be I'm

985
00:32:36,127 --> 00:32:37,162
pretty sure they have to be

986
00:32:37,162 --> 00:32:39,398
offset somehow with some kind

987
00:32:39,398 --> 00:32:41,800
of and to from either state or

988
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,335
federal funding again

989
00:32:43,335 --> 00:32:45,403
everybody's going to. We're all

990
00:32:45,403 --> 00:32:46,938
in the same boat. We all want

991
00:32:46,938 --> 00:32:49,174
the best for the community and

992
00:32:49,174 --> 00:32:51,242
for the citizens. But right now

993
00:32:51,242 --> 00:32:52,610
like I said earlier that this

994
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:54,346
this project currently meets

995
00:32:54,346 --> 00:32:57,346
everything all the zoning and

996
00:32:57,782 --> 00:32:58,650
um the requirements. So kind of

997
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:59,851
hypothetically you're trying to

998
00:32:59,851 --> 00:33:01,386
figure out what could happen in

999
00:33:01,386 --> 00:33:04,489
the future. I mean, it's you

1000
00:33:04,489 --> 00:33:04,790
know, we'd just be guessing.

1001
00:33:04,790 --> 00:33:06,191
Yeah.

1002
00:33:06,191 --> 00:33:08,961
>> I'm just concerned that the

1003
00:33:08,961 --> 00:33:11,696
city will then be stuck with a

1004
00:33:11,696 --> 00:33:13,766
tank with hazardous material in

1005
00:33:13,766 --> 00:33:16,868
it and there's no money to

1006
00:33:16,868 --> 00:33:18,570
clean it up and I would think

1007
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:19,938
it would happen. I mean, we

1008
00:33:19,938 --> 00:33:21,139
know it's going to happen but

1009
00:33:21,139 --> 00:33:24,750
we're no we're going to switch

1010
00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:25,810
to electric so. As you. Own

1011
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:27,179
yeah as part of the application

1012
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,881
uh and the building permit

1013
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:29,915
we're required to submit a uh

1014
00:33:29,915 --> 00:33:31,915
stormwater pollution prevention

1015
00:33:31,984 --> 00:33:33,352
plan that addresses any kind of

1016
00:33:33,352 --> 00:33:34,720
spillage, any kind of

1017
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,622
contamination stuff that's

1018
00:33:36,622 --> 00:33:38,523
handled. We have a plan that's

1019
00:33:38,523 --> 00:33:40,926
required to be part of the

1020
00:33:40,926 --> 00:33:42,294
project that we would train the

1021
00:33:42,294 --> 00:33:43,829
staff at if there's an

1022
00:33:43,829 --> 00:33:45,731
emergency, what they need to do

1023
00:33:45,731 --> 00:33:47,990
to make sure is not affecting

1024
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:48,333
anybody downstream from that.

1025
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:49,535
And so that's a requirement

1026
00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:50,902
that the state actually makes

1027
00:33:50,902 --> 00:33:52,104
us do on every gas station,

1028
00:33:52,104 --> 00:33:55,704
which will be part of this

1029
00:33:58,444 --> 00:34:01,130
project as well. Any questions.

1030
00:34:01,130 --> 00:34:03,449
I actually have one more um so

1031
00:34:03,449 --> 00:34:05,851
my apologies. Um, uh with

1032
00:34:05,851 --> 00:34:07,520
respect to uh solar panels uh I

1033
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,254
don't know what the

1034
00:34:08,254 --> 00:34:09,455
requirements are and I don't

1035
00:34:09,455 --> 00:34:10,990
are you going to be uh,

1036
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:11,957
including those as part of this

1037
00:34:11,957 --> 00:34:12,224
project and where do you plan

1038
00:34:12,224 --> 00:34:13,659
to.

1039
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,600
>> put yeah. So what we do on

1040
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,262
solar we try to put them on the

1041
00:34:16,262 --> 00:34:17,963
canopy. Um, right now we're

1042
00:34:17,963 --> 00:34:19,698
required to do so much but not

1043
00:34:19,698 --> 00:34:21,734
not to be 100%. It's supposed

1044
00:34:21,734 --> 00:34:23,803
to be a percentage of the

1045
00:34:23,803 --> 00:34:27,606
overall used to get it down to

1046
00:34:27,606 --> 00:34:30,600
uh acceptable leep requirements

1047
00:34:30,175 --> 00:34:31,377
.So we typically in the in the

1048
00:34:31,377 --> 00:34:32,745
historically have used the

1049
00:34:32,745 --> 00:34:34,647
canopy itself put up up there

1050
00:34:34,647 --> 00:34:36,182
there's nothing up there so it

1051
00:34:36,182 --> 00:34:37,383
works perfectly for a solar

1052
00:34:37,383 --> 00:34:38,416
panel on the building itself

1053
00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:39,786
it's a little bit harder

1054
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,520
because there's rooftop units

1055
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,388
there's exhaust fans. There's

1056
00:34:43,388 --> 00:34:45,824
you know other items that kind

1057
00:34:45,824 --> 00:34:48,560
of restrict the space. We've

1058
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,950
also looked a bit um some of

1059
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:52,498
the owners have decided to put

1060
00:34:52,498 --> 00:34:54,567
canopies over um the parking as

1061
00:34:54,567 --> 00:34:56,302
you guys you know, sacramento

1062
00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:57,670
and roseville I don't know if

1063
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:59,205
you guys have done it here but

1064
00:34:59,205 --> 00:35:01,608
there's you can put canopies

1065
00:35:01,608 --> 00:35:03,342
over uh the parking and use

1066
00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:05,411
that a solar. So it all comes

1067
00:35:05,411 --> 00:35:06,779
down to you know, the

1068
00:35:06,779 --> 00:35:09,179
profitability you know, the

1069
00:35:09,515 --> 00:35:11,840
cost benefit of adding these

1070
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,840
solar panels and right now

1071
00:35:14,153 --> 00:35:16,389
based on what we're proposing

1072
00:35:16,389 --> 00:35:18,457
is we're going to do the state

1073
00:35:18,457 --> 00:35:20,857
requirement um per permitting

1074
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:23,960
but and most likely will be on

1075
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,664
the canopy. All right. And

1076
00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:26,899
maybe a question for staff on

1077
00:35:26,899 --> 00:35:28,267
on that point does the uh the

1078
00:35:28,267 --> 00:35:30,667
commission have any authority

1079
00:35:31,704 --> 00:35:35,304
over the design of those panels

1080
00:35:41,314 --> 00:35:43,314
or not?

1081
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:51,291
I don't know I yeah. Um uh I

1082
00:35:51,291 --> 00:35:52,858
think our our scope is limited

1083
00:35:52,858 --> 00:35:54,393
when it comes to solar and I

1084
00:35:54,393 --> 00:35:55,761
think the state has put in a

1085
00:35:55,761 --> 00:35:57,831
lot of protections, uh, when it

1086
00:35:57,831 --> 00:35:59,900
comes to photovoltaic panels.

1087
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,968
Where they can be placed. Um,

1088
00:36:01,968 --> 00:36:03,670
so our overall discretion is

1089
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:05,405
limited, but um, and a lot of

1090
00:36:05,405 --> 00:36:07,106
this is handled through the uh,

1091
00:36:07,106 --> 00:36:08,474
building permit stage. And so

1092
00:36:08,474 --> 00:36:09,676
when it comes back through

1093
00:36:09,676 --> 00:36:11,244
planning we will take a careful

1094
00:36:11,244 --> 00:36:11,911
look at it to see where it is

1095
00:36:11,911 --> 00:36:13,479
placed and make.

1096
00:36:13,479 --> 00:36:14,848
>> sure that it. Is in an

1097
00:36:14,848 --> 00:36:16,916
appropriate location and not.

1098
00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:18,452
Some kind of obscure. Location

1099
00:36:18,452 --> 00:36:19,653
that will kind of interfere

1100
00:36:19,653 --> 00:36:20,187
with the overall design and

1101
00:36:20,187 --> 00:36:22,187
esthetic. All right.

1102
00:36:22,589 --> 00:36:24,658
>> thanks can add to that

1103
00:36:24,658 --> 00:36:26,359
really quick. So that's

1104
00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:28,762
actually a good point also

1105
00:36:28,762 --> 00:36:30,330
because being 16ft that's the

1106
00:36:30,330 --> 00:36:32,198
bottom of it. The top is going

1107
00:36:32,198 --> 00:36:33,566
to be like 19ft. So I mean

1108
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:35,969
you're not gonna even see the

1109
00:36:35,969 --> 00:36:38,237
panels from the street. Um also

1110
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:39,439
it's the catch 22. You could

1111
00:36:39,439 --> 00:36:40,974
you want to screen them you

1112
00:36:40,974 --> 00:36:42,509
want to see them but you also

1113
00:36:42,509 --> 00:36:44,244
can't screen them from the

1114
00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:45,445
morning so it's worked out

1115
00:36:45,445 --> 00:36:46,813
really well. We're they're on

1116
00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:48,515
the the canopies are piling up.

1117
00:36:48,515 --> 00:36:52,115
You don't see them but they

1118
00:36:52,319 --> 00:36:54,719
still have maximum efficiency.

1119
00:36:54,722 --> 00:36:56,956
Which you mind um and I just

1120
00:36:56,956 --> 00:36:58,324
kind of want to orient us that

1121
00:36:58,324 --> 00:37:00,227
um the planning commission

1122
00:37:00,227 --> 00:37:01,761
we're dealing with the land use

1123
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:03,130
um, and that's the decision

1124
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:04,697
that we're making tonight is on

1125
00:37:04,697 --> 00:37:06,733
the land use use permit. Can

1126
00:37:06,733 --> 00:37:08,802
you walk us through, um, what

1127
00:37:08,802 --> 00:37:12,402
the rest of your process. Looks

1128
00:37:13,273 --> 00:37:14,841
like? Um. If there was. Uh, a.

1129
00:37:14,841 --> 00:37:15,342
Decision tonight, where do you

1130
00:37:15,342 --> 00:37:16,543
go from there?

1131
00:37:16,543 --> 00:37:18,780
>> all right, so. MADAM Chair,

1132
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:20,513
if I if I MAY just to clarify,

1133
00:37:20,513 --> 00:37:22,549
um, we also have before us the

1134
00:37:22,549 --> 00:37:23,249
design review component. Of the

1135
00:37:23,249 --> 00:37:24,451
correct. Yes.

1136
00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:25,152
>> okay. Thank you. Want to

1137
00:37:25,152 --> 00:37:26,853
make sure that was.

1138
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:29,256
>> under so bye bye. Right.

1139
00:37:29,256 --> 00:37:31,325
It's a commercial use and zone.

1140
00:37:31,325 --> 00:37:32,359
It's an approved use with use

1141
00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:34,427
permit which means it's

1142
00:37:34,427 --> 00:37:36,830
required to come before you by

1143
00:37:36,830 --> 00:37:39,233
stopping use. So uh the process

1144
00:37:39,233 --> 00:37:40,968
here is we presented to you and

1145
00:37:40,968 --> 00:37:42,169
let's say you guys vote yes and

1146
00:37:42,169 --> 00:37:43,203
you take their staff

1147
00:37:43,203 --> 00:37:44,905
recommendation and approve it.

1148
00:37:44,905 --> 00:37:46,440
Our next step would be we would

1149
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,842
get the conditions of approval

1150
00:37:47,842 --> 00:37:49,420
those those would be part of

1151
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:50,578
the resolution and then we

1152
00:37:50,578 --> 00:37:51,945
would take those conditions of

1153
00:37:51,945 --> 00:37:52,979
approval and prepare

1154
00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:54,181
construction documents that

1155
00:37:54,181 --> 00:37:55,549
would be presented to the

1156
00:37:55,549 --> 00:37:56,583
building department and then we

1157
00:37:56,583 --> 00:37:57,985
would submit all that for

1158
00:37:57,985 --> 00:38:00,385
building department. We'd also

1159
00:38:00,387 --> 00:38:02,789
submit environmental up for the

1160
00:38:02,789 --> 00:38:04,324
gas portion also the food

1161
00:38:04,324 --> 00:38:05,358
portion all the departments are

1162
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:06,727
going to have to be submitted

1163
00:38:06,727 --> 00:38:08,796
and we have to get approval

1164
00:38:08,796 --> 00:38:10,330
from all different agencies and

1165
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:12,650
then once we get that building

1166
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:13,600
permit at that point then we're

1167
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600
going to start construction and

1168
00:38:17,405 --> 00:38:18,238
depending on on that. I am most

1169
00:38:18,238 --> 00:38:19,273
interested in I.

1170
00:38:19,273 --> 00:38:20,474
>> forgot. About the design

1171
00:38:20,474 --> 00:38:22,420
side. So thank you for

1172
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:23,410
correcting me but um the

1173
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:24,778
environmental portion what does

1174
00:38:24,778 --> 00:38:26,513
that look like for you guys

1175
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:27,714
where what what local entities

1176
00:38:27,714 --> 00:38:30,117
are you working. So the

1177
00:38:30,117 --> 00:38:31,652
environmental portion um and

1178
00:38:31,652 --> 00:38:33,720
and I'm going to help review is

1179
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,423
both the food bomb food portion

1180
00:38:35,423 --> 00:38:37,324
of this historic is selling

1181
00:38:37,324 --> 00:38:39,226
food. So even though it's a lot

1182
00:38:39,226 --> 00:38:40,940
of it is hidden serve or you

1183
00:38:40,940 --> 00:38:41,795
know prepackaged food they

1184
00:38:41,795 --> 00:38:43,697
still have to require for that

1185
00:38:43,697 --> 00:38:44,898
the fuel itself has to be

1186
00:38:44,898 --> 00:38:46,600
reviewed by the cooper

1187
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,200
department, which is also an

1188
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,380
environmental health uh agency

1189
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:51,439
that reviews all the pumps,

1190
00:38:51,439 --> 00:38:53,140
tanks. Um.

1191
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:54,842
>> everything that has to do

1192
00:38:54,842 --> 00:38:56,410
with fuel. So we have to submit

1193
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:58,478
petroleum drawings to their for

1194
00:38:58,478 --> 00:39:01,748
their review as well. Um, as

1195
00:39:01,748 --> 00:39:03,784
far as um you know, the sequel

1196
00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:05,520
part of environmental that's as

1197
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,588
you saw in the report it's

1198
00:39:07,588 --> 00:39:09,624
exempt because of the enfield

1199
00:39:09,624 --> 00:39:12,624
category but also there was

1200
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,461
nothing that was, you know,

1201
00:39:14,461 --> 00:39:16,461
environmentally concerned that

1202
00:39:16,698 --> 00:39:17,898
other than that you think that

1203
00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:19,767
the county brought up but

1204
00:39:19,767 --> 00:39:23,204
overall the county or the city

1205
00:39:23,204 --> 00:39:26,641
um staff and agency saw that it

1206
00:39:26,641 --> 00:39:29,641
was categorically exempt of any

1207
00:39:30,445 --> 00:39:31,813
environmental concerns. So

1208
00:39:31,813 --> 00:39:33,813
great. Okay.

1209
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,750
>> before we let him sit down,

1210
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:38,750
any other questions because we

1211
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,387
will not call him back up.

1212
00:39:39,387 --> 00:39:41,387
Okay.

1213
00:39:44,359 --> 00:39:46,594
>> thank you thank you it. And

1214
00:39:46,594 --> 00:39:47,462
then uh we'll go back to our

1215
00:39:47,462 --> 00:39:48,496
public hearing. How many

1216
00:39:48,496 --> 00:39:50,531
speakers do we have, nicole?

1217
00:39:50,531 --> 00:39:52,434
Three. Three. Perfect. Okay.

1218
00:39:52,434 --> 00:39:53,801
>> um, and who's our first.

1219
00:39:53,801 --> 00:39:55,536
Speaker todd alexander,

1220
00:39:55,536 --> 00:39:55,870
followed by michelle zavala.

1221
00:39:55,870 --> 00:39:57,870
Okay.

1222
00:39:58,974 --> 00:40:00,342
>> thank you, MR. Alexander.

1223
00:40:00,342 --> 00:40:03,342
And you have three minutes.

1224
00:40:04,312 --> 00:40:05,312
Good evening. Um, I. Am the.

1225
00:40:05,312 --> 00:40:07,480
Deputy superintendent.

1226
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,950
>> with. Butte county. Office

1227
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:10,151
of education. First I.

1228
00:40:10,151 --> 00:40:11,186
>> want to acknowledge the.

1229
00:40:11,186 --> 00:40:13,421
City staff. Who have worked

1230
00:40:13,421 --> 00:40:14,789
with us. Apc this.

1231
00:40:14,789 --> 00:40:15,490
>> this year to help us. Better

1232
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:17,192
understand. Thank you gary.

1233
00:40:17,192 --> 00:40:18,726
>> for. The help there and

1234
00:40:18,726 --> 00:40:20,461
addressing many of our concerns

1235
00:40:20,461 --> 00:40:22,864
and uh we appreciate that

1236
00:40:22,864 --> 00:40:24,933
coordination. Um, at the same

1237
00:40:24,933 --> 00:40:27,333
time we maintain several

1238
00:40:27,336 --> 00:40:29,571
significant concerns because of

1239
00:40:29,571 --> 00:40:31,273
how uh how close this project

1240
00:40:31,273 --> 00:40:34,420
is and sits to a growing

1241
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:36,445
educational campus. Um, so we

1242
00:40:36,445 --> 00:40:38,845
serve students here through

1243
00:40:38,847 --> 00:40:40,548
career technical education,

1244
00:40:40,548 --> 00:40:42,548
regional occupational programs

1245
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:46,421
and courses as well as foster

1246
00:40:46,421 --> 00:40:48,457
youth services. Our cte and our

1247
00:40:48,457 --> 00:40:50,191
ap programs are actively

1248
00:40:50,191 --> 00:40:51,893
recruiting and filling seats in

1249
00:40:51,893 --> 00:40:54,662
a high demand career pathways

1250
00:40:54,662 --> 00:40:56,365
and including health care

1251
00:40:56,365 --> 00:40:58,100
dentistry. And so this campus

1252
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,634
is going to continue to grow

1253
00:40:59,634 --> 00:41:02,360
and continue to see substantial

1254
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,605
student use. One of our main

1255
00:41:03,605 --> 00:41:05,640
concerns has been touched on

1256
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,909
already is the safety issue um,

1257
00:41:07,909 --> 00:41:10,645
due to a fire or a potential

1258
00:41:10,645 --> 00:41:11,680
spill once that uh driveway is

1259
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,381
removed to the south well

1260
00:41:13,381 --> 00:41:16,818
they're only going to have one

1261
00:41:16,818 --> 00:41:18,190
um driveway out. And in the

1262
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:19,254
event that something happens at

1263
00:41:19,254 --> 00:41:20,955
the front end of carmichael,

1264
00:41:20,955 --> 00:41:22,156
it's a dead end at the other

1265
00:41:22,156 --> 00:41:23,892
end. So we would have to see

1266
00:41:23,892 --> 00:41:26,127
about getting all our staff and

1267
00:41:26,127 --> 00:41:27,829
all of our students down to the

1268
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:29,300
other end and we have to go

1269
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,300
past whatever that spill or

1270
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:38,139
that fire is at that point. Um.

1271
00:41:38,139 --> 00:41:39,708
There are a number of other

1272
00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:42,708
concerns that we've put into

1273
00:41:44,513 --> 00:41:46,215
our letter. Um, and uh,

1274
00:41:46,215 --> 00:41:47,949
including the the concerns with

1275
00:41:47,949 --> 00:41:49,651
tanker truck access, uh,

1276
00:41:49,651 --> 00:41:52,510
different security issues and

1277
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:54,530
different emergency response.

1278
00:41:54,823 --> 00:41:56,358
Um, again, we do appreciate the

1279
00:41:56,358 --> 00:41:58,427
work the city has done with us.

1280
00:41:58,427 --> 00:42:00,128
Um, our responsibility is

1281
00:42:00,128 --> 00:42:02,310
always to butte county

1282
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:03,231
students. So we want to make

1283
00:42:03,231 --> 00:42:04,600
sure that the commissioners

1284
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,202
fully understands that this is

1285
00:42:07,202 --> 00:42:08,570
is not a lightly used property.

1286
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:10,639
Um, the proposed development

1287
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,390
will negatively impact students

1288
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:14,409
and educators and it is an

1289
00:42:14,409 --> 00:42:16,479
active educational site serving

1290
00:42:16,479 --> 00:42:17,846
a growing number of students

1291
00:42:17,846 --> 00:42:19,215
and preparing for important

1292
00:42:19,215 --> 00:42:21,615
careers within our local

1293
00:42:21,983 --> 00:42:23,352
economy. For those reasons, bsu

1294
00:42:23,352 --> 00:42:25,530
continues to have serious

1295
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:27,656
concerns with this project and

1296
00:42:27,656 --> 00:42:30,392
as proposed um and I'm here to

1297
00:42:30,392 --> 00:42:31,760
go on record so that um in the

1298
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,962
event that something does

1299
00:42:32,962 --> 00:42:33,996
happen and there is an

1300
00:42:33,996 --> 00:42:36,650
emergency or there isn't a

1301
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:38,467
fire, we brought it to your

1302
00:42:38,467 --> 00:42:40,369
attention. And so um, we've

1303
00:42:40,369 --> 00:42:42,405
done our job for the students

1304
00:42:42,405 --> 00:42:44,673
so thank you. Thank you.

1305
00:42:44,673 --> 00:42:46,209
>> uh, any questions for MR.

1306
00:42:46,209 --> 00:42:48,209
Alexander? Okay.

1307
00:42:51,714 --> 00:42:53,820
>> thank you. Next speaker is

1308
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:55,482
michelle zeppelin followed by

1309
00:42:55,818 --> 00:42:57,553
amanda simmons. Good evening

1310
00:42:57,553 --> 00:42:58,921
commissioners, thank you for,

1311
00:42:58,921 --> 00:43:01,321
um, allowing. Us to.

1312
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,893
>> speak and want to first.

1313
00:43:03,893 --> 00:43:05,294
Start off with saying. We want

1314
00:43:05,294 --> 00:43:06,996
to make sure that you know that

1315
00:43:06,996 --> 00:43:08,731
we are pro-business. There have

1316
00:43:08,731 --> 00:43:11,131
been multiple businesses in

1317
00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:13,202
this area um, and in this at

1318
00:43:13,202 --> 00:43:15,602
this site restaurants mostly

1319
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:18,507
but also a wick grocery store

1320
00:43:18,507 --> 00:43:20,760
public health. So we have been

1321
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,944
a good steward and we want to

1322
00:43:21,944 --> 00:43:24,714
be a good neighbor but our

1323
00:43:24,714 --> 00:43:27,450
concerns rest with a lot of the

1324
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:30,219
congestion that this, uh, new

1325
00:43:30,219 --> 00:43:32,255
proposed business will bring.

1326
00:43:32,255 --> 00:43:33,989
If you can picture the area

1327
00:43:33,989 --> 00:43:36,389
there's dutch brothers there.

1328
00:43:36,726 --> 00:43:39,996
Um and yes, there is uh, access

1329
00:43:39,996 --> 00:43:41,731
out to east park but that has

1330
00:43:41,731 --> 00:43:43,599
been closed off for a long

1331
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,200
time. So right now there is

1332
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,439
really no access out that way.

1333
00:43:49,439 --> 00:43:50,840
So at the other end is chico

1334
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,875
unified school district bus

1335
00:43:52,875 --> 00:43:54,944
barn. So we have school busses

1336
00:43:54,944 --> 00:43:56,680
.This is our main bus barn and

1337
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,381
only bus barn so we have school

1338
00:43:58,381 --> 00:44:01,151
busses coming out that way

1339
00:44:01,151 --> 00:44:03,219
morning noon in and out in the

1340
00:44:03,219 --> 00:44:05,254
afternoon added to the dutch

1341
00:44:05,254 --> 00:44:06,656
brothers and then added to our

1342
00:44:06,656 --> 00:44:08,691
own traffic. So it's going to

1343
00:44:08,691 --> 00:44:10,426
be a very congested area. So

1344
00:44:10,426 --> 00:44:13,163
that's our main concern because

1345
00:44:13,163 --> 00:44:15,765
if there is an incident of

1346
00:44:15,765 --> 00:44:19,201
safety um it's going to be a

1347
00:44:19,201 --> 00:44:21,237
congested area. So just want to

1348
00:44:21,237 --> 00:44:22,272
share that we do have career

1349
00:44:22,272 --> 00:44:23,840
technical education programs

1350
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,708
there and our next speaker is

1351
00:44:25,708 --> 00:44:28,478
going to speak to that. But we

1352
00:44:28,478 --> 00:44:29,513
also serve county wide uh we're

1353
00:44:29,513 --> 00:44:31,513
technical assistance and

1354
00:44:31,547 --> 00:44:32,949
support for our districts, um,

1355
00:44:32,949 --> 00:44:35,349
with homeless youth, foster

1356
00:44:35,685 --> 00:44:37,420
youth and also students who are

1357
00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:39,456
having um troubles with um

1358
00:44:39,456 --> 00:44:40,857
tobacco and vaping. So we have

1359
00:44:40,857 --> 00:44:42,892
prevention services there. So

1360
00:44:42,892 --> 00:44:46,492
every week we have minimum of

1361
00:44:46,863 --> 00:44:48,931
40 students age 16 to 25 of

1362
00:44:48,931 --> 00:44:51,000
that population coming to the

1363
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,369
site to see staff and have

1364
00:44:52,369 --> 00:44:54,769
services and supports. These

1365
00:44:55,471 --> 00:44:58,208
are students that can have

1366
00:44:58,208 --> 00:44:59,742
alcohol and tobacco um

1367
00:44:59,742 --> 00:45:01,645
challenges. And so that is one

1368
00:45:01,645 --> 00:45:03,346
of our concerns is having a

1369
00:45:03,346 --> 00:45:06,116
convenience store um with those

1370
00:45:06,116 --> 00:45:08,516
products. So it's important

1371
00:45:08,518 --> 00:45:10,587
that um we highlight those

1372
00:45:10,587 --> 00:45:12,656
students and that this proposed

1373
00:45:12,656 --> 00:45:15,560
business will add additional

1374
00:45:15,726 --> 00:45:18,161
traffic and and flow that will

1375
00:45:18,161 --> 00:45:19,863
be a detriment to us. So thank

1376
00:45:19,863 --> 00:45:22,980
you again for listening to our

1377
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:24,980
concerns. Thank you.

1378
00:45:24,834 --> 00:45:27,234
>> there's any questions. Any

1379
00:45:29,139 --> 00:45:29,673
questions for the speaker. And

1380
00:45:29,673 --> 00:45:31,673
then amanda simmons.

1381
00:45:35,145 --> 00:45:36,547
>> good evening. Amanda simmons

1382
00:45:36,547 --> 00:45:37,547
senior director of workforce

1383
00:45:37,547 --> 00:45:38,949
development and business

1384
00:45:38,949 --> 00:45:40,484
partnerships I work at the

1385
00:45:40,484 --> 00:45:41,851
carmichael location every day I

1386
00:45:41,851 --> 00:45:43,420
have the great honor and

1387
00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:46,156
pleasure to oversee our rop

1388
00:45:46,156 --> 00:45:47,191
programs. So there are some

1389
00:45:47,191 --> 00:45:48,225
significant concerns, as you've

1390
00:45:48,225 --> 00:45:49,760
heard earlier for our students

1391
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,495
and our employees. Safety with

1392
00:45:51,495 --> 00:45:52,529
a specific business. Um,

1393
00:45:52,529 --> 00:45:54,230
including the traffic

1394
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:56,633
congestion and east park avenue

1395
00:45:56,633 --> 00:45:58,535
is a well known emergency

1396
00:45:58,535 --> 00:46:00,270
thoroughfare daily I sit in my

1397
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:01,471
office and I hear the sirens

1398
00:46:01,471 --> 00:46:04,207
running up and down that road,

1399
00:46:04,207 --> 00:46:05,942
so I fear what congestion added

1400
00:46:05,942 --> 00:46:07,645
to that area does for our

1401
00:46:07,645 --> 00:46:09,714
ability to get in or out of the

1402
00:46:09,714 --> 00:46:11,414
site to paint a picture for you

1403
00:46:11,414 --> 00:46:13,149
of what this site looks like on

1404
00:46:13,149 --> 00:46:14,852
a regular basis or daily basis,

1405
00:46:14,852 --> 00:46:16,586
we have approximately 100

1406
00:46:16,586 --> 00:46:18,823
students that move through our

1407
00:46:18,823 --> 00:46:20,524
rop programs on any given day.

1408
00:46:20,524 --> 00:46:21,925
Uh a quarter of those are high

1409
00:46:21,925 --> 00:46:23,293
school age students that are

1410
00:46:23,293 --> 00:46:25,162
exploring career pathways. The

1411
00:46:25,162 --> 00:46:26,563
remainder are 18 and older and

1412
00:46:26,563 --> 00:46:27,930
they are completing skilled

1413
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:29,299
workforce training programs to

1414
00:46:29,299 --> 00:46:32,235
enter high need, high wage

1415
00:46:32,235 --> 00:46:34,271
careers in our community. If

1416
00:46:34,271 --> 00:46:36,506
you have been to a local dental

1417
00:46:36,506 --> 00:46:38,575
office, a veterinary office, a

1418
00:46:38,575 --> 00:46:40,477
doctor's office recently or any

1419
00:46:40,477 --> 00:46:42,130
time you most likely have run

1420
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:43,748
into one of the graduates of

1421
00:46:43,748 --> 00:46:44,781
our programs or uh, that are

1422
00:46:44,781 --> 00:46:46,149
offered at this site that we

1423
00:46:46,149 --> 00:46:47,184
train. So we have certified

1424
00:46:47,184 --> 00:46:48,219
veterinary assistants,

1425
00:46:48,219 --> 00:46:49,920
registered dental assistants

1426
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,955
through a variety of programs

1427
00:46:50,955 --> 00:46:52,690
including our comprehensive

1428
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:54,580
program, an apprenticeship

1429
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:56,126
program and dental specialty

1430
00:46:56,126 --> 00:46:57,828
courses that we offer. We train

1431
00:46:57,828 --> 00:46:59,563
medical assistance. We train

1432
00:46:59,563 --> 00:47:00,598
phlebotomy for our high school

1433
00:47:00,598 --> 00:47:01,965
students. They're on our

1434
00:47:01,965 --> 00:47:03,965
campus. They're exploring

1435
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:05,903
careers in the medical and the

1436
00:47:05,903 --> 00:47:07,271
medical field as well as early

1437
00:47:07,271 --> 00:47:08,839
childhood education. All of

1438
00:47:08,839 --> 00:47:11,575
these are needs within our

1439
00:47:11,575 --> 00:47:13,644
community. Many of our students

1440
00:47:13,644 --> 00:47:14,678
have demonstrated an incredible

1441
00:47:14,678 --> 00:47:16,460
resilience in overcoming

1442
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:18,115
addiction and other life

1443
00:47:18,115 --> 00:47:19,651
challenges. Uh they use these

1444
00:47:19,651 --> 00:47:21,180
training programs as a pathway

1445
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:22,920
to a fresh start, meaningful

1446
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,655
employment and a more stable

1447
00:47:24,655 --> 00:47:27,570
future for themselves and their

1448
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:28,759
families serving our community.

1449
00:47:28,759 --> 00:47:30,161
So as you consider this

1450
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:31,528
decision, I respectfully ask

1451
00:47:31,528 --> 00:47:33,431
that you consider not only the

1452
00:47:33,431 --> 00:47:34,799
use of the property but the

1453
00:47:34,799 --> 00:47:36,501
people whose futures are being

1454
00:47:36,501 --> 00:47:38,235
shaped here. Please prioritize

1455
00:47:38,235 --> 00:47:39,771
an environment that supports

1456
00:47:39,771 --> 00:47:42,771
the health, safety and success

1457
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:45,776
of our students. Thank you.

1458
00:47:45,776 --> 00:47:48,179
Thank you and any questions for

1459
00:47:48,179 --> 00:47:50,415
the speaker? Um yeah I have a

1460
00:47:50,415 --> 00:47:51,815
question. So there have been

1461
00:47:51,815 --> 00:47:53,351
businesses there before and

1462
00:47:53,351 --> 00:47:56,951
there's been traffic in and out

1463
00:47:57,121 --> 00:48:00,121
of that property before. Um,

1464
00:48:00,558 --> 00:48:01,926
did that cause a problem? Um,

1465
00:48:01,926 --> 00:48:03,494
there was parking congestion

1466
00:48:03,494 --> 00:48:05,300
and and most of that occurred

1467
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:06,764
before I was in this role. So

1468
00:48:06,764 --> 00:48:08,466
to my knowledge the businesses

1469
00:48:08,466 --> 00:48:10,200
that were there before worked

1470
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,770
fairly well with our population

1471
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:14,305
of students as well. But we had

1472
00:48:14,305 --> 00:48:17,905
three points of access into the

1473
00:48:19,477 --> 00:48:22,477
site to. Any further questions.

1474
00:48:24,983 --> 00:48:27,718
Thank you. Uh any other public

1475
00:48:27,718 --> 00:48:29,453
speakers? No. Okay. And then uh

1476
00:48:29,453 --> 00:48:32,453
we'll bring the applicant back

1477
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,361
up to um. To speak as someone

1478
00:48:37,361 --> 00:48:38,730
uh. Yes, I it's the applicant

1479
00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:39,764
you you're allowed to come back

1480
00:48:39,764 --> 00:48:42,334
up and we're about anything

1481
00:48:42,334 --> 00:48:44,734
that you heard. Uh.

1482
00:48:44,735 --> 00:48:46,270
>> my name is I'm the old and

1483
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:49,400
I'm the owner and developer of,

1484
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,442
uh, skyway travel center. Uh,

1485
00:48:51,442 --> 00:48:52,977
2495 carmichael drive. I want

1486
00:48:52,977 --> 00:48:54,379
to thank the city staff, the,

1487
00:48:54,379 --> 00:48:55,914
uh, reviewing departments and

1488
00:48:55,914 --> 00:48:58,150
all the community members who

1489
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:59,517
have evaluated this project. I

1490
00:48:59,517 --> 00:49:01,252
would first like to acknowledge

1491
00:49:01,252 --> 00:49:02,954
the concerns raised by butte

1492
00:49:02,954 --> 00:49:05,354
county office of education.

1493
00:49:05,356 --> 00:49:07,425
Bcso is important neighbor and

1494
00:49:07,425 --> 00:49:08,793
we take our responsibility to

1495
00:49:08,793 --> 00:49:10,861
protect its students, employees

1496
00:49:10,861 --> 00:49:12,861
,visitors and property

1497
00:49:13,265 --> 00:49:14,633
seriously in response to those

1498
00:49:14,633 --> 00:49:16,535
concerns regarding the previous

1499
00:49:16,535 --> 00:49:18,269
approved version of this

1500
00:49:18,269 --> 00:49:19,637
project, we withdrew that

1501
00:49:19,637 --> 00:49:21,637
application, reconsidered the

1502
00:49:21,673 --> 00:49:24,109
design and have returned with

1503
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:26,509
the substantial downsized and

1504
00:49:26,511 --> 00:49:28,213
revised proposal. We took time

1505
00:49:28,213 --> 00:49:30,213
to have additional

1506
00:49:30,616 --> 00:49:32,684
environmental reports done. I

1507
00:49:32,684 --> 00:49:36,284
think it's in your staff review

1508
00:49:36,822 --> 00:49:38,523
from base camp. And it

1509
00:49:38,523 --> 00:49:40,959
disproves a lot of the concerns

1510
00:49:40,959 --> 00:49:43,359
the bco additionally, both

1511
00:49:43,362 --> 00:49:45,630
parties are now aware that the

1512
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:46,798
previous easement regarding the

1513
00:49:46,798 --> 00:49:48,500
shared parking and mutual

1514
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,903
traffic use between the two

1515
00:49:50,903 --> 00:49:52,637
parcels has expired. The new

1516
00:49:52,637 --> 00:49:54,706
proposal removes the drive thru

1517
00:49:54,706 --> 00:49:56,742
coffee kiosks, relocates the

1518
00:49:56,742 --> 00:49:58,143
fuel pumps and convenience

1519
00:49:58,143 --> 00:49:59,511
store, moves the trash

1520
00:49:59,511 --> 00:50:01,580
enclosure away from the

1521
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:02,948
students areas and positions

1522
00:50:02,948 --> 00:50:05,348
the fuel system ventilation

1523
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,860
stacks further from bcos

1524
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:10,486
operation. The project has

1525
00:50:10,522 --> 00:50:12,558
undergone review by the city's

1526
00:50:12,558 --> 00:50:14,558
public works, engineering,

1527
00:50:14,626 --> 00:50:17,260
planning and fire departments.

1528
00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:19,431
According to the staff review

1529
00:50:19,431 --> 00:50:21,499
review report, the layout meets

1530
00:50:21,499 --> 00:50:23,568
the city's circulation and

1531
00:50:23,568 --> 00:50:25,568
safety requirements, provides

1532
00:50:25,638 --> 00:50:27,638
adequate emergency vehicle

1533
00:50:28,708 --> 00:50:30,776
access and turnaround and can

1534
00:50:30,776 --> 00:50:32,776
accommodate the anticipated

1535
00:50:32,845 --> 00:50:34,913
traffic volumes. Security and

1536
00:50:34,913 --> 00:50:37,315
site impacts have also been

1537
00:50:37,315 --> 00:50:39,180
carefully addressed because the

1538
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:40,919
convenience store will operate

1539
00:50:40,919 --> 00:50:42,654
24 hours a day, an employee

1540
00:50:42,654 --> 00:50:44,220
will always be present to

1541
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:46,422
monitor the property. The

1542
00:50:46,425 --> 00:50:48,160
project features downward

1543
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,862
directed lighting to illuminate

1544
00:50:49,862 --> 00:50:51,230
the site. We're minimizing

1545
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:52,598
spill over into the

1546
00:50:52,598 --> 00:50:54,598
neighborhoods the neighbors

1547
00:50:54,666 --> 00:50:56,735
properties drawing with drawing

1548
00:50:56,735 --> 00:50:58,470
from experience with there are

1549
00:50:58,470 --> 00:51:00,172
other developments we have also

1550
00:51:00,172 --> 00:51:02,572
prepared to maintain ongoing

1551
00:51:02,575 --> 00:51:04,575
communication with bco

1552
00:51:04,977 --> 00:51:07,377
regarding security and incident

1553
00:51:08,781 --> 00:51:10,482
response procedures. The the

1554
00:51:10,482 --> 00:51:12,482
1.93 acre commercial property

1555
00:51:13,252 --> 00:51:15,288
near highway 99 is designated

1556
00:51:15,288 --> 00:51:17,220
regional commercial and zoned

1557
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:19,422
for regional commercial uses.

1558
00:51:19,425 --> 00:51:20,793
The surrounding area is

1559
00:51:20,793 --> 00:51:23,193
similarly zoned for commercial

1560
00:51:23,562 --> 00:51:25,264
use. Bco e, however has

1561
00:51:25,264 --> 00:51:27,332
received exemption from the

1562
00:51:27,332 --> 00:51:29,401
county and is operating in a

1563
00:51:29,401 --> 00:51:31,801
commercial office space. The

1564
00:51:31,971 --> 00:51:33,339
property was on the market for

1565
00:51:33,339 --> 00:51:35,408
over a year before we purchased

1566
00:51:35,408 --> 00:51:37,143
it, and bc bco could have

1567
00:51:37,143 --> 00:51:38,844
easily purchased the parcel

1568
00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:40,913
adjacent adjacent to their

1569
00:51:40,913 --> 00:51:43,148
operations during the time as

1570
00:51:43,148 --> 00:51:44,850
the property owners, we should

1571
00:51:44,850 --> 00:51:46,585
be permitted to develop the

1572
00:51:46,585 --> 00:51:48,654
parcel in compliance with the

1573
00:51:48,654 --> 00:51:50,654
established zoning regulations.

1574
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:53,900
The project exceeds several

1575
00:51:53,126 --> 00:51:55,126
city requirements providing 34

1576
00:51:55,527 --> 00:51:57,597
parking spaces where 17 are

1577
00:51:57,597 --> 00:51:59,597
required nearly 20% of

1578
00:51:59,999 --> 00:52:01,999
landscaping and over 50%

1579
00:52:02,735 --> 00:52:03,936
shading in the parking areas.

1580
00:52:03,936 --> 00:52:05,504
Furthermore, the pump fuel

1581
00:52:05,504 --> 00:52:08,240
pumps will be positioned 34ft

1582
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,942
from the nearest property line

1583
00:52:09,942 --> 00:52:11,678
exceeding the required 15 foot

1584
00:52:11,678 --> 00:52:13,678
separation. New landscaping,

1585
00:52:13,746 --> 00:52:15,448
trees control lighting and

1586
00:52:15,448 --> 00:52:17,448
contemporary art architecture

1587
00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:20,250
will significantly improve the

1588
00:52:20,252 --> 00:52:22,652
site's the site's appearance

1589
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:24,391
and function. We recognize our

1590
00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:26,391
responsibility to the

1591
00:52:26,459 --> 00:52:28,160
considerate neighbor we and the

1592
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,160
city have been in communication

1593
00:52:31,264 --> 00:52:34,264
with bco since SEPTEMBER of

1594
00:52:34,367 --> 00:52:36,769
2022 I think I we started this

1595
00:52:36,769 --> 00:52:38,305
process with tina and then we

1596
00:52:38,305 --> 00:52:39,705
had bruce and I've been here a

1597
00:52:39,705 --> 00:52:42,108
couple times. We got it

1598
00:52:42,108 --> 00:52:44,177
approved and we have redesigned

1599
00:52:44,177 --> 00:52:45,545
the project several times and i

1600
00:52:45,545 --> 00:52:47,413
don't think I had all these

1601
00:52:47,413 --> 00:52:49,482
gray hairs when we started in

1602
00:52:49,482 --> 00:52:51,551
2022. So and we have ensured

1603
00:52:51,551 --> 00:52:53,953
that our delivery vehicles can

1604
00:52:53,953 --> 00:52:56,220
operate entirely on their own

1605
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:57,724
property as courtesy to our

1606
00:52:57,724 --> 00:52:59,125
neighbors. Fuel delivery

1607
00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:01,525
vehicles will only operate

1608
00:53:02,195 --> 00:53:03,597
during hours when bco is not in

1609
00:53:03,597 --> 00:53:05,298
session so all the fuel

1610
00:53:05,298 --> 00:53:07,330
deliveries we would do three m

1611
00:53:07,330 --> 00:53:08,734
for him on the weekends when

1612
00:53:08,734 --> 00:53:10,102
they are not in operations so

1613
00:53:10,102 --> 00:53:11,505
it does not affect the

1614
00:53:11,505 --> 00:53:13,539
students. City staff has

1615
00:53:13,539 --> 00:53:14,942
concluded that this project is

1616
00:53:14,942 --> 00:53:17,342
consistent with the general

1617
00:53:17,343 --> 00:53:19,746
plan complies with the code is

1618
00:53:19,746 --> 00:53:22,146
compatible with the surrounding

1619
00:53:22,482 --> 00:53:24,551
commercial areas and will not

1620
00:53:24,551 --> 00:53:26,620
significantly impact related to

1621
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:29,220
traffic noise, air quality or

1622
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:30,557
water quality and we have the

1623
00:53:30,557 --> 00:53:32,292
studies to show that proves

1624
00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:34,692
that ultimately this project

1625
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,970
will provide vital jobs and tax

1626
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:39,500
revenue to the city while

1627
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:41,568
replacing an outdated building

1628
00:53:41,568 --> 00:53:43,470
with state of the art facility.

1629
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,171
And I receive calls from the

1630
00:53:45,171 --> 00:53:46,907
city about the landscaping,

1631
00:53:46,907 --> 00:53:48,441
about their being homeless and

1632
00:53:48,441 --> 00:53:50,511
we solve it, we go out there,

1633
00:53:50,511 --> 00:53:52,412
he said. We're very responsive.

1634
00:53:52,412 --> 00:53:54,113
I have his phone, he has my

1635
00:53:54,113 --> 00:53:56,160
cell number saved and we make

1636
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,520
sure this property is clean as

1637
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,786
much as we possibly can. We

1638
00:53:59,786 --> 00:54:01,521
also respectfully ask the

1639
00:54:01,521 --> 00:54:03,557
commission to consider the

1640
00:54:03,557 --> 00:54:05,625
revised project based on

1641
00:54:05,625 --> 00:54:08,625
evidence before you and to

1642
00:54:08,728 --> 00:54:10,798
adopt resolution number 20 6-02

1643
00:54:10,798 --> 00:54:12,832
approving the use permit and

1644
00:54:12,832 --> 00:54:14,901
architectural review subject to

1645
00:54:14,901 --> 00:54:16,970
the recommended conditions, we

1646
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:18,705
remain committed to complying

1647
00:54:18,705 --> 00:54:20,407
with all the applicable

1648
00:54:20,407 --> 00:54:22,807
requirements and working with

1649
00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:26,613
the city and bco you and to

1650
00:54:26,613 --> 00:54:28,648
note today is uh it's my wife's

1651
00:54:28,648 --> 00:54:30,500
birthday so I dragged her out

1652
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,286
here for planning commission

1653
00:54:32,286 --> 00:54:34,521
hearings so it'd be a good gift

1654
00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,223
so we can get this one approved

1655
00:54:36,223 --> 00:54:38,291
and so we can it's been about 4

1656
00:54:38,291 --> 00:54:39,826
or 5 years since has been stuck

1657
00:54:39,826 --> 00:54:41,228
for so we can get this one

1658
00:54:41,228 --> 00:54:43,970
going and really enjoy our

1659
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:46,697
night. So thank you guys. Thank

1660
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:48,435
you. Um okay with that we will

1661
00:54:48,435 --> 00:54:49,970
close the public hearing. Um

1662
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:51,338
sir, if we could just get you

1663
00:54:51,338 --> 00:54:52,573
to follow the speaker card so

1664
00:54:52,573 --> 00:54:54,775
we have your name in the record

1665
00:54:54,775 --> 00:54:56,510
too. That would be great. Um

1666
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:58,211
and I will bring it back to the

1667
00:54:58,211 --> 00:55:00,648
commission for any questions or

1668
00:55:00,648 --> 00:55:02,683
comments. I've got a question

1669
00:55:02,683 --> 00:55:04,251
for for staff about the the

1670
00:55:04,251 --> 00:55:07,251
scope of our authority here

1671
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,756
tonight. Um, on the uh the use

1672
00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:11,792
permit it's understood that

1673
00:55:11,792 --> 00:55:14,561
the, uh, convenience market as

1674
00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:16,263
you explained is a use this

1675
00:55:16,263 --> 00:55:17,998
permitted by right. There's no

1676
00:55:17,998 --> 00:55:19,367
use permit necessary for that

1677
00:55:19,367 --> 00:55:20,567
to be established in this

1678
00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:23,567
location. Is that correct? That

1679
00:55:23,671 --> 00:55:25,539
is correct. So, um, that could

1680
00:55:25,539 --> 00:55:26,573
go in without any kind of

1681
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:28,973
special use permit. Correct?

1682
00:55:29,509 --> 00:55:31,578
>> right. Um, the gas station

1683
00:55:31,578 --> 00:55:33,280
is the use that requires the

1684
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,182
use permit. How about the

1685
00:55:35,182 --> 00:55:36,883
carwash? Is that part of it as

1686
00:55:36,883 --> 00:55:38,619
well? Is that part is that a

1687
00:55:38,619 --> 00:55:40,154
I'm sorry two out of the blue

1688
00:55:40,154 --> 00:55:42,560
question yeah. The carwash is

1689
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,424
also a permitted use in this

1690
00:55:43,424 --> 00:55:44,992
specific zone for out all zones

1691
00:55:44,992 --> 00:55:46,527
but in this one it is. Okay

1692
00:55:46,527 --> 00:55:48,527
right. Thank you.

1693
00:55:50,865 --> 00:55:52,865
>> any other questions?

1694
00:55:55,102 --> 00:55:56,670
>> I don't.

1695
00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:59,670
>> have a question. But I.

1696
00:56:00,274 --> 00:56:01,976
>> have a comment. Um, MR.

1697
00:56:01,976 --> 00:56:04,440
Alexander you got me with the

1698
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:04,946
danger part and that is you

1699
00:56:04,946 --> 00:56:06,281
know. Obviously something.

1700
00:56:06,281 --> 00:56:09,490
>> that. We all want to take

1701
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:11,449
into. Consideration is safety.

1702
00:56:12,487 --> 00:56:15,556
Um, and also the traffic. Yeah

1703
00:56:15,556 --> 00:56:16,757
,that's very obvious to

1704
00:56:16,757 --> 00:56:17,992
someone that's lived in chico

1705
00:56:17,992 --> 00:56:18,826
their. Entire lives and driving

1706
00:56:18,826 --> 00:56:21,226
by there. But at.

1707
00:56:21,429 --> 00:56:22,629
>> the end of the day. I'm not

1708
00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:24,866
an expert on that. I haven't.

1709
00:56:24,866 --> 00:56:26,400
>> done the traffic studies or.

1710
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,100
You know, we. Have to take.

1711
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:27,602
>> the fire.

1712
00:56:27,602 --> 00:56:29,300
>> and safety.

1713
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:30,704
>> and all of those things and

1714
00:56:30,704 --> 00:56:32,440
listen to what. They say and if

1715
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,175
they give their stamp of

1716
00:56:35,175 --> 00:56:36,377
approval then. They're the

1717
00:56:36,377 --> 00:56:36,611
experts, not us. But certainly

1718
00:56:36,611 --> 00:56:37,745
I.

1719
00:56:37,745 --> 00:56:39,479
>> think everybody. Would agree

1720
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:41,549
we would all have concerns

1721
00:56:41,549 --> 00:56:43,251
about especially the safety

1722
00:56:43,251 --> 00:56:44,118
issues. So I just wanted to

1723
00:56:44,118 --> 00:56:46,854
make that clear because. Um.

1724
00:56:46,854 --> 00:56:49,623
>> nobody wants to put anybody

1725
00:56:49,623 --> 00:56:53,223
in harm. That would be awful.

1726
00:56:55,463 --> 00:56:58,199
Thank you. Yeah. Anybody else?

1727
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,602
I have a uh maybe a procedural

1728
00:57:00,602 --> 00:57:03,370
question for staff. Um, and

1729
00:57:03,370 --> 00:57:04,739
that's on the uh the actions

1730
00:57:04,739 --> 00:57:06,108
before us there's two different

1731
00:57:06,108 --> 00:57:08,508
actions covered in one

1732
00:57:09,544 --> 00:57:11,946
resolution. Um, how would we or

1733
00:57:11,946 --> 00:57:13,681
could we proceed if we wanted

1734
00:57:13,681 --> 00:57:14,916
to take one action on one

1735
00:57:14,916 --> 00:57:16,585
component of that resolution

1736
00:57:16,585 --> 00:57:18,853
and a different action on

1737
00:57:18,853 --> 00:57:20,554
another component of it? You

1738
00:57:20,554 --> 00:57:22,900
can take both together or

1739
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:23,992
however you want to present it

1740
00:57:23,992 --> 00:57:25,527
as long as they are, you know,

1741
00:57:25,527 --> 00:57:28,463
both either approved or denied

1742
00:57:28,463 --> 00:57:31,330
to me. But my question I think

1743
00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:33,101
I'm sorry is that um uh say for

1744
00:57:33,101 --> 00:57:36,101
example the the the commission

1745
00:57:36,204 --> 00:57:38,720
uh wanted to uh support the use

1746
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,308
permit for the gas station but

1747
00:57:40,308 --> 00:57:42,210
did not want to support the the

1748
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:43,745
the design of the project. Um

1749
00:57:43,745 --> 00:57:45,814
how would that how would we

1750
00:57:45,814 --> 00:57:47,549
proceed? You would amend

1751
00:57:47,549 --> 00:57:49,250
whatever design choices you

1752
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:51,318
would you would want to see

1753
00:57:51,318 --> 00:57:52,688
reflected and so we would adopt

1754
00:57:52,688 --> 00:57:55,880
the resolution with the

1755
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:56,491
amendments kind of suggested on

1756
00:57:56,491 --> 00:57:58,491
the dies. Okay.

1757
00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:04,630
>> thank you. Of course. Any

1758
00:58:06,802 --> 00:58:09,537
further discussion? Do you have

1759
00:58:09,537 --> 00:58:12,537
proposed amendments? No I just

1760
00:58:12,641 --> 00:58:15,377
um um I just for commission

1761
00:58:15,377 --> 00:58:18,146
discussion right at this point

1762
00:58:18,146 --> 00:58:19,681
um, I think that the. Uh I

1763
00:58:19,681 --> 00:58:21,490
don't have a concern at all

1764
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:22,418
with uh, the environmental

1765
00:58:22,418 --> 00:58:23,819
review component of this. I

1766
00:58:23,819 --> 00:58:25,353
think the right call was made.

1767
00:58:25,353 --> 00:58:27,589
It's an infill project. That's

1768
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:29,290
pretty clear. Um, I think that

1769
00:58:29,290 --> 00:58:30,358
that all the permitting that's

1770
00:58:30,358 --> 00:58:32,600
necessary these days for

1771
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,660
projects are going to cover all

1772
00:58:36,164 --> 00:58:39,969
that very well. Um, and the the

1773
00:58:39,969 --> 00:58:42,871
gas station use um and the car

1774
00:58:42,871 --> 00:58:44,272
wash their uh any use of this

1775
00:58:44,272 --> 00:58:46,141
property is going to have some

1776
00:58:46,141 --> 00:58:48,910
impacts. It's going to have uh

1777
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:50,612
traffic generating impacts and

1778
00:58:50,612 --> 00:58:51,480
other impacts that might be a

1779
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,382
concern for adjoining

1780
00:58:53,382 --> 00:58:55,830
properties. So I um I don't

1781
00:58:55,830 --> 00:58:57,152
have a great concern really

1782
00:58:57,152 --> 00:58:59,221
with with the use uh my

1783
00:58:59,221 --> 00:59:01,256
concerns lie more with the

1784
00:59:01,256 --> 00:59:04,360
design of the project and some

1785
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,129
of the details and um um. I

1786
00:59:07,129 --> 00:59:09,364
it's uh it's challenging

1787
00:59:09,364 --> 00:59:10,733
because I think that with a few

1788
00:59:10,733 --> 00:59:12,268
changes that could be made into

1789
00:59:12,268 --> 00:59:13,835
a a much better project in

1790
00:59:13,835 --> 00:59:14,870
terms of the design. But I

1791
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:16,905
don't think that we should try

1792
00:59:16,905 --> 00:59:17,171
to design a project up here.

1793
00:59:17,171 --> 00:59:19,171
Um.

1794
00:59:19,308 --> 00:59:21,430
>> you know, ad hoc and just

1795
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:24,479
kind of make stuff up on the

1796
00:59:24,479 --> 00:59:26,549
fly but um, I I I would support

1797
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:28,251
the use permit but I do have

1798
00:59:28,251 --> 00:59:31,251
some concerns about the design

1799
00:59:31,353 --> 00:59:33,422
and the the reason for that is

1800
00:59:33,422 --> 00:59:35,124
that the reason for those

1801
00:59:35,124 --> 00:59:36,158
concerns is as the commission

1802
00:59:36,158 --> 00:59:37,726
knows. You know.

1803
00:59:37,726 --> 00:59:39,761
>> when we approve design

1804
00:59:39,761 --> 00:59:41,163
reviews, um, we have to make

1805
00:59:41,163 --> 00:59:42,864
findings that are complies with

1806
00:59:42,864 --> 00:59:45,267
the design guidelines of the

1807
00:59:45,267 --> 00:59:46,301
city. And so by making that

1808
00:59:46,301 --> 00:59:48,370
action we're confirming that

1809
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:49,739
yes, it's consistent with

1810
00:59:49,739 --> 00:59:51,474
certain policies in the design

1811
00:59:51,474 --> 00:59:53,900
guidelines and I've gone

1812
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:54,910
through that and looked at it

1813
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:57,313
and listed a few here and you

1814
00:59:57,313 --> 00:59:59,150
know. I, I. I see us kind of

1815
00:59:59,150 --> 01:00:00,750
missing the mark and I would I

1816
01:00:00,750 --> 01:00:02,452
would find it challenging to

1817
01:00:02,452 --> 01:00:04,520
make those findings for for

1818
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,922
design review on this project

1819
01:00:06,922 --> 01:00:08,658
for example um some of the

1820
01:00:08,658 --> 01:00:10,726
materials used and on the

1821
01:00:10,726 --> 01:00:13,462
building you know the vinyl uh

1822
01:00:13,462 --> 01:00:16,462
siding I'm I'm concerned that

1823
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:18,801
that maybe you know, it doesn't

1824
01:00:18,801 --> 01:00:21,201
really advance uh design

1825
01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:22,905
guideline 1.2.32 that says use

1826
01:00:22,905 --> 01:00:24,274
building materials that

1827
01:00:24,274 --> 01:00:26,342
reinforce a sense of permanence

1828
01:00:26,342 --> 01:00:28,944
or place and I don't think that

1829
01:00:28,944 --> 01:00:31,347
vinyl does that. Um I think

1830
01:00:31,347 --> 01:00:32,882
that the um the lighting might

1831
01:00:32,882 --> 01:00:35,985
be a little a little much might

1832
01:00:35,985 --> 01:00:38,387
be more than uh is is really

1833
01:00:38,387 --> 01:00:39,755
uh, necessary here. Um and

1834
01:00:39,755 --> 01:00:42,155
there are some. Um.

1835
01:00:42,158 --> 01:00:43,192
>> uh, design guidelines about

1836
01:00:43,192 --> 01:00:45,192
that. Uh.

1837
01:00:46,629 --> 01:00:47,997
>> design guideline 1.5.14

1838
01:00:47,997 --> 01:00:49,732
incorporate the minimum

1839
01:00:49,732 --> 01:00:51,433
intensity of lighting necessary

1840
01:00:51,433 --> 01:00:52,835
for safety and security to

1841
01:00:52,835 --> 01:00:54,704
minimize glare impacts and

1842
01:00:54,704 --> 01:00:55,939
energy consumption. So I'm just

1843
01:00:55,939 --> 01:00:57,641
thinking maybe maybe this

1844
01:00:57,641 --> 01:01:00,641
we've. We're pushing that limit

1845
01:01:02,778 --> 01:01:05,882
here on this um the um. Uh I

1846
01:01:05,882 --> 01:01:08,117
found the the elevations also

1847
01:01:08,117 --> 01:01:11,554
MAY be in conflict with some of

1848
01:01:11,554 --> 01:01:14,124
the design guidelines um the um

1849
01:01:14,124 --> 01:01:15,859
.Uh I understand the you know,

1850
01:01:15,859 --> 01:01:17,394
the modern design approaches on

1851
01:01:17,394 --> 01:01:18,761
things but you know, there's

1852
01:01:18,761 --> 01:01:20,830
one elevation, there's seven

1853
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:21,865
different materials on it and

1854
01:01:21,865 --> 01:01:23,766
that's especially challenging

1855
01:01:23,766 --> 01:01:26,502
to get that to kind of hold

1856
01:01:26,502 --> 01:01:29,605
together. And we have uh um, a

1857
01:01:29,605 --> 01:01:30,974
design guideline says uh uh we

1858
01:01:30,974 --> 01:01:32,508
should articulate a clear

1859
01:01:32,508 --> 01:01:33,543
design concept in a written

1860
01:01:33,543 --> 01:01:35,779
narrative which I don't think

1861
01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:36,813
we saw in this 128 decision

1862
01:01:36,813 --> 01:01:38,181
makers and understanding

1863
01:01:38,181 --> 01:01:40,450
fundamental design elements of

1864
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:42,485
a project. And I see we just

1865
01:01:42,485 --> 01:01:44,540
have kind of a and I don't

1866
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:45,422
really mean this to to diminish

1867
01:01:45,422 --> 01:01:46,789
the work that was done on this,

1868
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:48,858
but this seems kind of a kind

1869
01:01:48,858 --> 01:01:50,927
of a jumbled elevation uh, in

1870
01:01:50,927 --> 01:01:53,329
terms of the mixed mix of

1871
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:56,329
materials and I thought that

1872
01:01:56,767 --> 01:02:00,967
the um. Um uh the parapet um,

1873
01:02:01,404 --> 01:02:03,806
was also had kind of a um a um

1874
01:02:03,806 --> 01:02:06,376
uh almost a stuck on appearance

1875
01:02:06,376 --> 01:02:07,944
to get the sign up a little bit

1876
01:02:07,944 --> 01:02:09,646
higher. Uh, and there was a

1877
01:02:09,646 --> 01:02:11,381
design guideline that says uh

1878
01:02:11,381 --> 01:02:12,916
uh void mansard torus which we

1879
01:02:12,916 --> 01:02:14,985
don't have here necessarily or

1880
01:02:14,985 --> 01:02:16,353
parapets which appear stuck on

1881
01:02:16,353 --> 01:02:17,720
or not integrated into the roof

1882
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,790
with equal design treatment on

1883
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:21,325
all sides. Um, and just seems

1884
01:02:21,325 --> 01:02:23,590
like that was just kind of

1885
01:02:23,590 --> 01:02:24,940
stuck on there and it's I

1886
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:26,162
understand why that why that's

1887
01:02:26,162 --> 01:02:28,398
done. But I look at this as a.

1888
01:02:28,398 --> 01:02:30,433
Whole and it's like I'm not.

1889
01:02:30,433 --> 01:02:32,200
Quite quite there with it. I

1890
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,704
think it could be there but I'm

1891
01:02:33,704 --> 01:02:36,473
I'm hesitant to try to start

1892
01:02:36,473 --> 01:02:38,342
tweaking the project and and

1893
01:02:38,342 --> 01:02:39,909
making changes to it trying to

1894
01:02:39,909 --> 01:02:42,909
design something up at the

1895
01:02:46,450 --> 01:02:48,151
dais. So thank you. Um so what

1896
01:02:48,151 --> 01:02:49,686
you were saying earlier you

1897
01:02:49,686 --> 01:02:52,890
feel okay about the use? The

1898
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:53,824
use is a very intensive use for

1899
01:02:53,824 --> 01:02:55,358
traffic and air quality and

1900
01:02:55,358 --> 01:02:57,595
for. I understand it's.

1901
01:02:57,595 --> 01:02:59,330
>> an infill project and for

1902
01:02:59,330 --> 01:03:01,398
the categorical exemption for

1903
01:03:01,398 --> 01:03:03,433
the infill project. It must.

1904
01:03:03,433 --> 01:03:04,834
Not result in any significant

1905
01:03:04,834 --> 01:03:05,703
effects relating to traffic

1906
01:03:05,703 --> 01:03:07,404
noise, air quality.

1907
01:03:07,404 --> 01:03:08,605
>> and water quality. For the

1908
01:03:08,605 --> 01:03:09,640
air quality I'm feeling

1909
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,800
uncomfortable. Because there

1910
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,420
are sensitive. Receptors use

1911
01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:13,577
our considering. Sensitive

1912
01:03:13,577 --> 01:03:15,646
receptors per square and so

1913
01:03:15,646 --> 01:03:17,214
it's like I feel uncomfortable

1914
01:03:17,214 --> 01:03:18,416
approving the project and I

1915
01:03:18,416 --> 01:03:21,151
know that there will be a there

1916
01:03:21,151 --> 01:03:23,220
what that uh hra or the hsa but

1917
01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:23,920
like I'm I'm feeling a little

1918
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,288
uncomfortable just approving.

1919
01:03:25,288 --> 01:03:28,888
>> it and just saying it'll be

1920
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,294
okay so. And that's the the gas

1921
01:03:31,294 --> 01:03:32,329
station component of the use

1922
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:34,198
and the emissions from that. I

1923
01:03:34,198 --> 01:03:38,836
do think that is why we have as

1924
01:03:38,836 --> 01:03:39,203
you. Know okay. Any other

1925
01:03:39,203 --> 01:03:41,203
comments?

1926
01:03:46,944 --> 01:03:48,812
>> um can we segment off the

1927
01:03:48,812 --> 01:03:50,881
use permit and have the.

1928
01:03:50,881 --> 01:03:52,881
Architectural review. Um

1929
01:03:55,353 --> 01:03:55,653
perhaps. Go to. Yeah I think it

1930
01:03:55,653 --> 01:03:56,720
fits.

1931
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,623
>> give me a solution here.

1932
01:03:58,623 --> 01:04:01,358
>> so if. It's the commission's

1933
01:04:01,358 --> 01:04:03,426
will you could. Choose to um.

1934
01:04:03,426 --> 01:04:03,828
Approve and adopt the findings

1935
01:04:03,828 --> 01:04:05,662
associated.

1936
01:04:05,662 --> 01:04:06,530
>> with the use permit and then

1937
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:07,898
recommend that the.

1938
01:04:07,898 --> 01:04:09,634
Architectural component come

1939
01:04:09,634 --> 01:04:12,360
back maybe either to this.

1940
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,105
Commission or to the arb board.

1941
01:04:14,105 --> 01:04:16,140
Um, if that's the case, I just

1942
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:17,341
ask as part of that motion that

1943
01:04:17,341 --> 01:04:18,576
the commission. Provide some

1944
01:04:18,576 --> 01:04:19,943
direction to. Staff on. What

1945
01:04:19,943 --> 01:04:22,847
are some of those changes you'd

1946
01:04:22,847 --> 01:04:24,215
like to see? Um modified so we

1947
01:04:24,215 --> 01:04:27,215
would have clear direction um,

1948
01:04:27,318 --> 01:04:29,386
bringing it back. And I guess

1949
01:04:29,386 --> 01:04:31,956
before we do that. Um.

1950
01:04:31,956 --> 01:04:33,691
>> I do want to see if there.

1951
01:04:33,691 --> 01:04:34,726
Was a. Will.

1952
01:04:34,726 --> 01:04:35,760
>> uh.

1953
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,628
>> we do.

1954
01:04:37,628 --> 01:04:39,697
>> have the recommendation of

1955
01:04:39,697 --> 01:04:41,650
the motion. In front of us to

1956
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:42,801
pass both the use permit and.

1957
01:04:42,801 --> 01:04:44,801
>> the architectural review.

1958
01:04:47,271 --> 01:04:50,700
Um, but with uh, out of. Yeah.

1959
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:52,777
Would we have the will to pass

1960
01:04:52,777 --> 01:04:53,378
that collectively. Or maybe

1961
01:04:53,378 --> 01:04:55,378
commissioner. Well can.

1962
01:04:56,547 --> 01:04:58,249
>> make that motion. I'm sorry

1963
01:04:58,249 --> 01:04:59,984
what. I said maybe another

1964
01:04:59,984 --> 01:05:00,318
commissioner could make that

1965
01:05:00,318 --> 01:05:02,318
motion.

1966
01:05:04,622 --> 01:05:07,358
>> and we could see. He's not

1967
01:05:07,358 --> 01:05:09,260
going to he wants. No I I I

1968
01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:10,628
would say that I would I would

1969
01:05:10,628 --> 01:05:12,530
support a resolution approving

1970
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:14,650
the the use permit but not the

1971
01:05:14,650 --> 01:05:14,432
the design review this evening.

1972
01:05:14,432 --> 01:05:16,300
But uh.

1973
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:17,502
>> I don't know what the other

1974
01:05:17,502 --> 01:05:17,869
commissioners think about that.

1975
01:05:17,869 --> 01:05:19,869
Um.

1976
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:20,939
>> and how that that follow up

1977
01:05:20,939 --> 01:05:23,339
design review should take

1978
01:05:24,209 --> 01:05:26,609
place. Order people's thoughts

1979
01:05:27,312 --> 01:05:30,415
on that. Or staff do you have

1980
01:05:30,415 --> 01:05:32,817
any further insight on. That if

1981
01:05:32,817 --> 01:05:35,553
I MAY recommend let's take the

1982
01:05:35,553 --> 01:05:37,288
first use uh use permit um

1983
01:05:37,288 --> 01:05:40,250
resolution first and or motion

1984
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:40,892
and move through that and then

1985
01:05:40,892 --> 01:05:42,892
that's. Great and.

1986
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,830
>> then make a motion on the on

1987
01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:46,397
the design aspect and see if

1988
01:05:46,397 --> 01:05:49,397
how the commission feels. Great

1989
01:05:50,168 --> 01:05:53,438
okay well. How about this let's

1990
01:05:53,438 --> 01:05:56,174
give this a try. Um I move

1991
01:05:56,174 --> 01:05:58,776
approval of um use permit I'm

1992
01:05:58,776 --> 01:06:01,176
sorry I don't have. 20 506.

1993
01:06:02,881 --> 01:06:04,616
>> thank you. Um uh uh. And

1994
01:06:04,616 --> 01:06:06,484
adoption of the resolution to

1995
01:06:06,484 --> 01:06:08,220
the extent that it approves uh,

1996
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:10,288
that use permit with the

1997
01:06:10,288 --> 01:06:12,156
necessary findings. All right.

1998
01:06:12,156 --> 01:06:13,892
So we have a motion. Is that

1999
01:06:13,892 --> 01:06:15,794
sufficient for your staff and

2000
01:06:15,794 --> 01:06:17,496
nicole. And that would be a

2001
01:06:17,496 --> 01:06:18,864
motion to approve the use

2002
01:06:18,864 --> 01:06:19,264
permit component of the project

2003
01:06:19,264 --> 01:06:20,933
only. Okay.

2004
01:06:20,933 --> 01:06:24,369
>> and then do we have a.

2005
01:06:24,369 --> 01:06:24,703
Second I'll second that. So we

2006
01:06:24,703 --> 01:06:26,703
have.

2007
01:06:26,771 --> 01:06:30,371
>> a motion and a second um

2008
01:06:30,375 --> 01:06:30,776
nicole could you take the vote.

2009
01:06:30,776 --> 01:06:32,776
One moment.

2010
01:06:40,685 --> 01:06:41,386
>>

2011
01:06:41,386 --> 01:06:43,386
commissioner wolff.

2012
01:06:44,823 --> 01:06:47,223
>> I commissioner wall uh.

2013
01:06:47,226 --> 01:06:49,226
Commissioner sharpe. Uh.

2014
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:52,329
>> commissioner laffins. I

2015
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,200
commissioner bykerk kaufman. I

2016
01:06:57,536 --> 01:07:00,536
I. Thank you vice. Chair

2017
01:07:02,341 --> 01:07:05,941
scarpa. I chair. Scott I that.

2018
01:07:09,214 --> 01:07:11,650
Passes seven zero. And then um

2019
01:07:11,650 --> 01:07:13,351
how do we go about then getting

2020
01:07:13,351 --> 01:07:14,720
a resolution on on the the

2021
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,720
design review I would propose

2022
01:07:17,823 --> 01:07:20,926
that we get it back before the

2023
01:07:20,926 --> 01:07:22,461
rhp. To um take a look at some

2024
01:07:22,461 --> 01:07:23,495
of the design details a

2025
01:07:23,495 --> 01:07:25,895
compliance with uh design

2026
01:07:26,232 --> 01:07:27,800
guidelines. Um, and. But I

2027
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,834
don't know if we need a

2028
01:07:28,834 --> 01:07:30,202
separate resolution for that

2029
01:07:30,202 --> 01:07:32,602
now. Separate motion. Or

2030
01:07:32,604 --> 01:07:33,973
separate it. So can we do that

2031
01:07:33,973 --> 01:07:35,174
simply with uh with a motion

2032
01:07:35,174 --> 01:07:35,507
without a resolution then

2033
01:07:35,507 --> 01:07:36,742
correct.

2034
01:07:36,742 --> 01:07:38,444
>> because you're just

2035
01:07:38,444 --> 01:07:40,846
recommending for irb to review

2036
01:07:40,846 --> 01:07:43,615
with your edits if I MAY. So

2037
01:07:43,615 --> 01:07:47,815
then just a simple motion to um

2038
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:49,621
.Um uh. What will we say refer

2039
01:07:49,621 --> 01:07:52,358
the the design review component

2040
01:07:52,358 --> 01:07:54,760
of this to the er hpb uh to

2041
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,760
address compliance. Uh with the

2042
01:07:57,863 --> 01:07:58,231
design guidelines of the city.

2043
01:07:58,231 --> 01:08:00,231
.

2044
01:08:01,667 --> 01:08:03,869
>> um. Okay have that can you

2045
01:08:03,869 --> 01:08:04,403
give a few points of the notes

2046
01:08:04,403 --> 01:08:05,604
you made before.

2047
01:08:05,604 --> 01:08:06,805
>> so we can. Capture that.

2048
01:08:06,805 --> 01:08:09,410
>> in the motion? Sure.

2049
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:10,276
>> I would say the I.

2050
01:08:10,276 --> 01:08:10,543
>> have stuck on. Appearance

2051
01:08:10,543 --> 01:08:11,430
but.

2052
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:12,144
>> I think.

2053
01:08:12,144 --> 01:08:14,213
>> there's a nicer way to.

2054
01:08:14,213 --> 01:08:16,115
>> say that. I'm sorry I would.

2055
01:08:16,115 --> 01:08:16,415
Have stuck on appearance, but I

2056
01:08:16,415 --> 01:08:17,983
think.

2057
01:08:17,983 --> 01:08:18,851
>> there's a nicer way to say

2058
01:08:18,851 --> 01:08:21,251
that that material. Okay.

2059
01:08:21,954 --> 01:08:22,988
>> well, I have a a whole list

2060
01:08:22,988 --> 01:08:24,190
of design guidelines here. I

2061
01:08:24,190 --> 01:08:25,891
don't want to get into all of

2062
01:08:25,891 --> 01:08:28,294
them really. But um, maybe we

2063
01:08:28,294 --> 01:08:30,362
could talk about um. Uh.

2064
01:08:30,362 --> 01:08:31,731
>> using appropriate massing,

2065
01:08:31,731 --> 01:08:33,132
fenestration articulation

2066
01:08:33,132 --> 01:08:34,500
materials and buffering to

2067
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:35,868
provide a pedestrian level

2068
01:08:35,868 --> 01:08:37,937
scale perhaps in particular

2069
01:08:37,937 --> 01:08:41,537
with regard to the height of

2070
01:08:41,707 --> 01:08:44,109
the uh the canopy um design

2071
01:08:44,109 --> 01:08:45,144
guideline 1.5.1 to subdue and

2072
01:08:45,144 --> 01:08:46,512
we'll integrate exterior

2073
01:08:46,512 --> 01:08:48,912
lighting into the overall

2074
01:08:49,281 --> 01:08:51,350
landscape plan um design

2075
01:08:51,350 --> 01:08:53,419
guideline 1.2.3 to use building

2076
01:08:53,419 --> 01:08:55,819
materials that reinforce a

2077
01:08:55,821 --> 01:08:58,821
sense of permanence or place.

2078
01:09:02,328 --> 01:09:04,397
Um let's see here. Um and then

2079
01:09:04,397 --> 01:09:07,834
uh avoid mansard roofs is a

2080
01:09:07,834 --> 01:09:09,569
design guideline 2.2.26 avoid

2081
01:09:09,569 --> 01:09:11,104
mansard roofs or parapets which

2082
01:09:11,104 --> 01:09:12,805
appear stuck on or not

2083
01:09:12,805 --> 01:09:15,805
integrated to the roof. Etc.

2084
01:09:16,943 --> 01:09:18,678
Um. I and I think it's not to

2085
01:09:18,678 --> 01:09:20,460
necessarily limit it to to

2086
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:21,748
those but those are the things

2087
01:09:21,748 --> 01:09:23,650
that I'm kind of picking up on

2088
01:09:23,650 --> 01:09:25,184
as the areas in which I think

2089
01:09:25,184 --> 01:09:27,860
just some really small changes

2090
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:28,988
can make a big change in how

2091
01:09:28,988 --> 01:09:30,690
this project ends up looking at

2092
01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:32,258
I think and I I kind of

2093
01:09:32,258 --> 01:09:33,793
hesitate to do this stuff

2094
01:09:33,793 --> 01:09:35,161
because people don't think that

2095
01:09:35,161 --> 01:09:37,731
that design review is a big

2096
01:09:37,731 --> 01:09:40,500
deal but it really is and uh,

2097
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:41,868
this is a um uh it's a actually

2098
01:09:41,868 --> 01:09:44,637
it's a gateway into this part

2099
01:09:44,637 --> 01:09:47,206
of town um, coming in on off of

2100
01:09:47,206 --> 01:09:48,575
uh 99 and uh, the city is

2101
01:09:48,575 --> 01:09:50,975
making a tremendous investment

2102
01:09:51,143 --> 01:09:54,143
in park avenue there and.

2103
01:09:54,747 --> 01:09:57,183
>> uh um. You know. Um, the um.

2104
01:09:57,183 --> 01:09:58,552
That whole part of the city is

2105
01:09:58,552 --> 01:09:59,920
getting a lot of attention from

2106
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,454
the city and a lot of money

2107
01:10:01,454 --> 01:10:03,230
going into beautifying it. And

2108
01:10:03,230 --> 01:10:05,425
I think that, uh, this is an

2109
01:10:05,425 --> 01:10:06,460
opportunity to. To to, you

2110
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:07,827
know, make sure that we're

2111
01:10:07,827 --> 01:10:09,290
really in compliance with our

2112
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:10,563
design guidelines here and get

2113
01:10:10,563 --> 01:10:12,632
a a great project. I'm glad,

2114
01:10:12,632 --> 01:10:13,667
uh, that it's moving forward. I

2115
01:10:13,667 --> 01:10:15,402
think it's going to it's going

2116
01:10:15,402 --> 01:10:16,770
to end up being a real fine

2117
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:17,971
addition but I think it just

2118
01:10:17,971 --> 01:10:18,272
needs a little more attention.

2119
01:10:18,272 --> 01:10:20,206
Okay.

2120
01:10:20,206 --> 01:10:22,275
>> the staff feel like they

2121
01:10:22,275 --> 01:10:23,977
have enough to go. Yes yes

2122
01:10:23,977 --> 01:10:25,345
okay. And to um share.

2123
01:10:25,345 --> 01:10:25,712
>> with the. Applicant as well.

2124
01:10:25,712 --> 01:10:27,712
Great.

2125
01:10:28,448 --> 01:10:30,684
>> okay. So uh the motion is

2126
01:10:30,684 --> 01:10:32,585
to. Um refer.

2127
01:10:32,585 --> 01:10:33,420
>> the. Architectural review to

2128
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:34,988
the architectural. Review and.

2129
01:10:34,988 --> 01:10:36,988
>> historic preservation. Board

2130
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,425
um with the key highlights. On

2131
01:10:38,425 --> 01:10:38,692
design guidelines um. Mentioned

2132
01:10:38,692 --> 01:10:40,660
by.

2133
01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:43,600
>> commissioner wolfe. So is

2134
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:44,264
there a. Second to that motion?

2135
01:10:44,264 --> 01:10:46,166
I have a question.

2136
01:10:46,166 --> 01:10:49,766
>> I'm so sorry. You know, go

2137
01:10:50,637 --> 01:10:52,172
ahead. What determines. And I'm

2138
01:10:52,172 --> 01:10:53,373
sure it's in that big. Binder I

2139
01:10:53,373 --> 01:10:56,109
was given when I got on this

2140
01:10:56,109 --> 01:10:57,510
commission. But whether. A

2141
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:59,212
project goes to the

2142
01:10:59,212 --> 01:11:01,612
architectural review board. Or

2143
01:11:03,183 --> 01:11:05,183
doesn't. Yeah.

2144
01:11:06,954 --> 01:11:07,821
>> so um, typically major new

2145
01:11:07,821 --> 01:11:09,356
construction projects that.

2146
01:11:09,356 --> 01:11:10,891
>> are located like on an.

2147
01:11:10,891 --> 01:11:12,459
Arterial roadway like such as

2148
01:11:12,459 --> 01:11:14,528
this. One would go but. Since

2149
01:11:14,528 --> 01:11:15,896
it was. Combined with the use.

2150
01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:17,896
permit which necessitated

2151
01:11:17,964 --> 01:11:19,499
coming to the planning

2152
01:11:19,499 --> 01:11:20,367
commission, we lumped both of

2153
01:11:20,367 --> 01:11:21,340
them together and brought them

2154
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:22,769
here to you because.

2155
01:11:22,769 --> 01:11:25,500
>> there's. This commission can

2156
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:28,605
have purview over both of those

2157
01:11:30,143 --> 01:11:31,878
items. It's we're intended to

2158
01:11:31,878 --> 01:11:32,579
streamline um. But and.

2159
01:11:32,579 --> 01:11:34,579
>> this but.

2160
01:11:34,949 --> 01:11:37,949
>> sometimes it we need a

2161
01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:40,988
little bit more right. So it

2162
01:11:40,988 --> 01:11:42,689
could have all been done in.

2163
01:11:42,689 --> 01:11:45,458
>> this one meeting. If we.

2164
01:11:45,458 --> 01:11:48,195
>> had the will to all if there

2165
01:11:48,195 --> 01:11:50,970
are a majority of us who say

2166
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:51,298
the design as it is right now

2167
01:11:51,298 --> 01:11:52,666
so we have a motion we still

2168
01:11:52,666 --> 01:11:54,735
don't have a second. Um.

2169
01:11:54,735 --> 01:11:55,937
>> if there is a majority of

2170
01:11:55,937 --> 01:11:57,304
the planning commission who

2171
01:11:57,304 --> 01:11:59,707
says the design looks great,

2172
01:11:59,707 --> 01:12:02,110
let's move forward. Then that

2173
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:03,510
would be passed tonight. If the

2174
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:05,910
majority. Of the commission

2175
01:12:07,448 --> 01:12:09,349
says no, we want the design. To

2176
01:12:09,349 --> 01:12:10,184
go back then that would go to

2177
01:12:10,184 --> 01:12:12,860
the rhp and.

2178
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:14,322
>> if I'm if I MAY MADAM Chair

2179
01:12:14,322 --> 01:12:15,523
just it's not um and to be

2180
01:12:15,523 --> 01:12:17,257
clear to everybody it's not a

2181
01:12:17,257 --> 01:12:18,626
matter of of just subjectively

2182
01:12:18,626 --> 01:12:20,328
saying oh I like that or I

2183
01:12:20,328 --> 01:12:22,620
don't like that it's a matter

2184
01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:23,463
of looking at it in the context

2185
01:12:23,463 --> 01:12:25,165
of uh the design guidelines

2186
01:12:25,165 --> 01:12:26,701
that the city has and why we

2187
01:12:26,701 --> 01:12:28,680
have them and then looking at

2188
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:29,804
the findings that we need to

2189
01:12:29,804 --> 01:12:30,638
make to take that action by by

2190
01:12:30,638 --> 01:12:32,373
approving it we're saying yeah,

2191
01:12:32,373 --> 01:12:33,241
we we believe it it dances the

2192
01:12:33,241 --> 01:12:34,442
design guidelines. It's it.

2193
01:12:34,442 --> 01:12:35,476
>> makes. Perfect sense. I

2194
01:12:35,476 --> 01:12:37,876
agree. With everything you're

2195
01:12:38,912 --> 01:12:40,615
saying. I guess I just. Um

2196
01:12:40,615 --> 01:12:42,350
questioning or. Wondering if

2197
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:44,510
this could have all. Been

2198
01:12:44,510 --> 01:12:45,786
achieved and talked about.

2199
01:12:45,786 --> 01:12:47,856
Tonight so. That it doesn't.

2200
01:12:47,856 --> 01:12:49,390
have to go to the architectural

2201
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:51,291
review board. But I guess the

2202
01:12:51,291 --> 01:12:53,161
way the process goes it does

2203
01:12:53,161 --> 01:12:56,264
have to and that way they could

2204
01:12:56,264 --> 01:12:57,965
be done. And I think that this

2205
01:12:57,965 --> 01:12:59,167
is the kind of project and I

2206
01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:01,235
think it's been handled

2207
01:13:01,235 --> 01:13:02,437
correctly. Yeah ideally that

2208
01:13:02,437 --> 01:13:05,373
would be happening here right

2209
01:13:05,373 --> 01:13:07,275
now. Um uh and I would. I would

2210
01:13:07,275 --> 01:13:09,509
you know. Kind of prefer that

2211
01:13:09,509 --> 01:13:11,546
but I uh the thing is is that

2212
01:13:11,546 --> 01:13:13,982
um. Uh you. Know, I just

2213
01:13:13,982 --> 01:13:16,170
hesitate to as a panel try to

2214
01:13:16,170 --> 01:13:17,918
tweak a project and this and

2215
01:13:17,918 --> 01:13:18,219
that and then you end up. You

2216
01:13:18,219 --> 01:13:19,987
know.

2217
01:13:19,987 --> 01:13:22,560
>> it's just not that that

2218
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,424
process gets gets very

2219
01:13:23,424 --> 01:13:25,326
cumbersome. So I think it's

2220
01:13:25,326 --> 01:13:26,527
better if we have a just break

2221
01:13:26,527 --> 01:13:26,995
it off, talk about it

2222
01:13:26,995 --> 01:13:28,995
separately and.

2223
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,435
>> resolve it right. Okay. Do

2224
01:13:34,435 --> 01:13:37,505
we have a second. I'll second.

2225
01:13:37,505 --> 01:13:39,908
Okay so we have a motion and a

2226
01:13:39,908 --> 01:13:41,642
second uh. To uh. Refer the

2227
01:13:41,642 --> 01:13:43,177
design uh review.

2228
01:13:43,177 --> 01:13:43,478
>> to the architectural review.

2229
01:13:43,478 --> 01:13:45,478
Board.

2230
01:13:50,251 --> 01:13:52,251
>> um nicole. Commissioner

2231
01:13:52,987 --> 01:13:53,288
wolfe. I commissioner wall.

2232
01:13:53,288 --> 01:13:54,889
Right.

2233
01:13:54,889 --> 01:13:55,390
>> commissioner sharp. Yes.

2234
01:13:55,390 --> 01:13:57,390
>> yes.

2235
01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:00,492
>> commissioner laffins. Yes.

2236
01:14:00,895 --> 01:14:01,229
Commissioner bykerk kauffman.

2237
01:14:01,229 --> 01:14:02,964
Yes.

2238
01:14:02,964 --> 01:14:04,964
>> vice chair.

2239
01:14:06,401 --> 01:14:08,801
>> scarpa. Yes. Chair. Scott.

2240
01:14:08,803 --> 01:14:11,803
>> yes. So that passes. Seven

2241
01:14:12,907 --> 01:14:15,310
zero. Um all right. Thank you.

2242
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:17,310
Happy birthday. Happiness.

2243
01:14:18,947 --> 01:14:20,648
>> would be.

2244
01:14:20,648 --> 01:14:22,383
>> better if. You got this. I

2245
01:14:22,383 --> 01:14:25,383
know. Yeah the use. Permit

2246
01:14:27,220 --> 01:14:29,590
though. That's the big one.

2247
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:32,694
Okay. Uh, so we'll move to item

2248
01:14:32,694 --> 01:14:33,895
5.1 regular agenda. Um,

2249
01:14:33,895 --> 01:14:36,895
garrett, do I turn this.

2250
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,268
>> over. To. You to okay. So

2251
01:14:40,268 --> 01:14:41,970
this is a. Bit of an unusual

2252
01:14:41,970 --> 01:14:43,671
request that we don't get very

2253
01:14:43,671 --> 01:14:45,407
often. Um, but chico unified

2254
01:14:45,407 --> 01:14:47,108
school district is requesting a

2255
01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:49,508
finding of general plan

2256
01:14:49,511 --> 01:14:50,545
consistency for a new, um,

2257
01:14:50,545 --> 01:14:52,545
transitional kindergarten

2258
01:14:52,614 --> 01:14:55,614
through eighth grade blue oak

2259
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,450
charter school located at 2485

2260
01:14:58,820 --> 01:15:00,188
um apodaca place which is uh

2261
01:15:00,188 --> 01:15:03,291
tis right off in the bruce

2262
01:15:03,291 --> 01:15:06,280
road. The 2.47 acre site would

2263
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:07,228
relocate the blue oak charter

2264
01:15:07,228 --> 01:15:08,964
school from the current

2265
01:15:08,964 --> 01:15:11,364
location at 450 west east

2266
01:15:11,366 --> 01:15:14,103
avenue and is expected to serve

2267
01:15:14,103 --> 01:15:16,170
up to 3300 students. The site

2268
01:15:16,170 --> 01:15:17,539
was previously planned for

2269
01:15:17,539 --> 01:15:19,273
residential, commercial and

2270
01:15:19,273 --> 01:15:22,100
parking under the miriam park

2271
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:25,100
master plan um the proposal

2272
01:15:25,114 --> 01:15:26,815
would instead use the 2.47

2273
01:15:26,815 --> 01:15:28,717
acres for the proposed school

2274
01:15:28,717 --> 01:15:30,452
or the new school and the

2275
01:15:30,452 --> 01:15:32,320
adjacent 5.2 acre park that's

2276
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,689
adjacent to the site will still

2277
01:15:33,689 --> 01:15:36,625
um remains unchanged and will.

2278
01:15:36,625 --> 01:15:38,326
Still be in place. So state law

2279
01:15:38,326 --> 01:15:40,620
requires that local land use

2280
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:41,430
agency's planning commission

2281
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:43,165
transmit a letter determining

2282
01:15:43,165 --> 01:15:44,532
that the school is consistent

2283
01:15:44,532 --> 01:15:46,602
with the agency's adopted

2284
01:15:46,602 --> 01:15:47,970
general plan or any other

2285
01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:49,970
applicable comprehensive

2286
01:15:50,372 --> 01:15:52,108
planning documents. Normally

2287
01:15:52,108 --> 01:15:53,809
this letter would be completed

2288
01:15:53,809 --> 01:15:55,878
prior to the district's

2289
01:15:55,878 --> 01:15:57,779
acquisition of the property.

2290
01:15:57,779 --> 01:15:59,148
However, in this case the

2291
01:15:59,148 --> 01:16:00,850
district has already purchased

2292
01:16:00,850 --> 01:16:02,500
the property and is moving

2293
01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:03,953
forward with construction of

2294
01:16:03,953 --> 01:16:05,688
the school site. In my

2295
01:16:05,688 --> 01:16:06,688
conversation with the district

2296
01:16:06,688 --> 01:16:08,900
representative, it was

2297
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:09,458
indicated that the california

2298
01:16:09,458 --> 01:16:11,159
department of education still

2299
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,159
requires this consistency

2300
01:16:13,929 --> 01:16:16,332
letter prior to them operating

2301
01:16:16,332 --> 01:16:17,700
in to review the location of of

2302
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:20,100
the proposed school is

2303
01:16:20,102 --> 01:16:21,470
supported on this side of the

2304
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:22,504
city and would help address

2305
01:16:22,504 --> 01:16:24,504
increasing enrollment and

2306
01:16:25,274 --> 01:16:26,976
growth in east chico, including

2307
01:16:26,976 --> 01:16:28,710
development around marion park.

2308
01:16:28,710 --> 01:16:31,113
The general plan supports the

2309
01:16:31,113 --> 01:16:32,148
location of schools in new

2310
01:16:32,148 --> 01:16:33,849
neighborhoods with incompatible

2311
01:16:33,849 --> 01:16:35,918
land uses and planned

2312
01:16:35,918 --> 01:16:37,918
circulation infrastructure.

2313
01:16:38,321 --> 01:16:40,550
Staff is recommending that, uh

2314
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:41,757
this commission pass a motion

2315
01:16:41,757 --> 01:16:43,492
directing staff to transmit a

2316
01:16:43,492 --> 01:16:45,194
letter on behalf of the

2317
01:16:45,194 --> 01:16:47,596
commission to the chico unified

2318
01:16:47,596 --> 01:16:48,631
school district summarizing the

2319
01:16:48,631 --> 01:16:49,832
consistency analysis analysis

2320
01:16:49,832 --> 01:16:52,680
that was. Provided in.

2321
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,302
>> the staff report. Um, I'm

2322
01:16:53,302 --> 01:16:55,702
available for any questions.

2323
01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:59,976
>> thank you. Um, I don't mean

2324
01:16:59,976 --> 01:17:01,544
this to sound snarky but I just

2325
01:17:01,544 --> 01:17:03,246
wonder why does the state

2326
01:17:03,246 --> 01:17:04,980
recognize our authority when it

2327
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:08,417
comes to the general plan but

2328
01:17:08,417 --> 01:17:11,153
not. Design guidelines? Do we

2329
01:17:11,153 --> 01:17:13,389
know because there is there a

2330
01:17:13,389 --> 01:17:13,766
philosophy there. I do not have

2331
01:17:13,766 --> 01:17:14,757
a.

2332
01:17:14,757 --> 01:17:16,757
>> philosophy on. Okay

2333
01:17:17,860 --> 01:17:19,860
operations. Okay.

2334
01:17:21,998 --> 01:17:23,700
>> um is there um motion to

2335
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:25,435
direct staff to transmit a

2336
01:17:25,435 --> 01:17:26,302
letter to chico unified school

2337
01:17:26,302 --> 01:17:27,303
district stating that the

2338
01:17:27,303 --> 01:17:28,504
proposed. School site is.

2339
01:17:28,504 --> 01:17:30,720
Consistent with the chico

2340
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,940
general. Plan so moved. All

2341
01:17:31,940 --> 01:17:34,543
right. And do we have a second.

2342
01:17:34,543 --> 01:17:36,245
Second can we have. A motion by

2343
01:17:36,245 --> 01:17:37,446
commissioner wolf, a second by.

2344
01:17:37,446 --> 01:17:39,446
Commissioner wahl and.

2345
01:17:43,452 --> 01:17:45,521
>> a vote please nicole. Excuse

2346
01:17:45,521 --> 01:17:46,889
me chair yes. Forgive me.

2347
01:17:46,889 --> 01:17:47,958
Procedurally you still have to

2348
01:17:47,958 --> 01:17:49,826
open it up to public comment.

2349
01:17:49,826 --> 01:17:52,228
Oh, sorry. Um, is there any

2350
01:17:52,228 --> 01:17:53,963
public comment? Okay.

2351
01:17:53,963 --> 01:17:55,331
>> seeing none and no one in

2352
01:17:55,331 --> 01:17:58,931
the audience uh, we will close

2353
01:17:59,802 --> 01:18:01,338
the public hearing redo. Yes,

2354
01:18:01,338 --> 01:18:03,239
we have a motion and a second.

2355
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:03,573
So moved. Thank you. Uh. And

2356
01:18:03,573 --> 01:18:05,573
nicole.

2357
01:18:05,975 --> 01:18:07,900
>> commissioner wolff. Uh.

2358
01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:07,877
>> commissioner wall.

2359
01:18:07,877 --> 01:18:09,877
>> uh.

2360
01:18:10,613 --> 01:18:11,648
>> commissioner sharpe. Yes.

2361
01:18:11,648 --> 01:18:13,549
Commissioner laffins. Yes.

2362
01:18:13,549 --> 01:18:13,883
>> commissioner bykerk kaufman.

2363
01:18:13,883 --> 01:18:15,883
Yes.

2364
01:18:16,986 --> 01:18:17,853
>> vice chair. Scarpa. Yes.

2365
01:18:17,853 --> 01:18:19,853
Chair. Scott.

2366
01:18:20,256 --> 01:18:23,159
>> yes. That passes seven zero.

2367
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:23,459
>> you guys. There are 709.

2368
01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:25,459
Okay.

2369
01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:28,498
>> so exciting. Um, reports and

2370
01:18:28,498 --> 01:18:30,233
communications. I have reports

2371
01:18:30,233 --> 01:18:32,101
and communications for the

2372
01:18:32,101 --> 01:18:34,171
commission. So, uh, just a

2373
01:18:34,171 --> 01:18:35,538
heads up, we have two uh, media

2374
01:18:35,538 --> 01:18:37,607
items coming before the

2375
01:18:37,607 --> 01:18:39,342
commission here. Um, the first

2376
01:18:39,342 --> 01:18:40,710
one we have tentatively

2377
01:18:40,710 --> 01:18:42,411
tentatively scheduled for

2378
01:18:42,411 --> 01:18:44,314
SEPTEMBER 17th and the other

2379
01:18:44,314 --> 01:18:46,160
for OCTOBER 1st. Uh, the first

2380
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,751
one would be our residential

2381
01:18:47,751 --> 01:18:49,986
readiness phase three which.

2382
01:18:49,986 --> 01:18:51,355
Consists of. Um a host of uh

2383
01:18:51,355 --> 01:18:53,755
code amendments and general

2384
01:18:54,123 --> 01:18:54,791
plan amendments and then the

2385
01:18:54,791 --> 01:18:56,791
um. The other.

2386
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:57,894
>> one on OCTOBER 1st um

2387
01:18:57,894 --> 01:18:59,963
tentatively is the barbara.

2388
01:18:59,963 --> 01:19:01,999
Yard specific plan. So nicole

2389
01:19:01,999 --> 01:19:05,469
will be reaching out to you,

2390
01:19:05,469 --> 01:19:07,171
um, for um. Attendance and. It

2391
01:19:07,171 --> 01:19:08,372
is much appreciated when you do

2392
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:09,739
reply just to make sure that we

2393
01:19:09,739 --> 01:19:11,141
have a quorum for these

2394
01:19:11,141 --> 01:19:12,141
meetings and as always um. We

2395
01:19:12,141 --> 01:19:14,541
do appreciate your service.

2396
01:19:14,911 --> 01:19:17,147
>> on this commission. Great.

2397
01:19:17,147 --> 01:19:19,216
>> thank you. And we will move

2398
01:19:19,216 --> 01:19:22,816
to adjournment. So uh no no

2399
01:19:22,986 --> 01:19:24,200
meeting on SEPTEMBER 3rd. No no

2400
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,200
okay. Thank you.

2401
01:19:34,665 --> 01:19:36,665
>>

2402
01:24:46,645 --> 01:24:48,645
and then.

2403
01:24:56,588 --> 01:24:58,588
>>

2404
01:26:11,464 --> 01:26:13,464
uh.

2405
01:26:21,674 --> 01:26:23,674
>>

2406
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,479
um.

2407
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:38,790
>>

2408
01:27:13,593 --> 01:27:15,593
uh for.

2409
01:27:22,368 --> 01:27:24,368
Any.

2410
01:27:32,646 --> 01:27:34,646
>>

2411
01:31:39,828 --> 01:31:41,828
uh.

2412
01:31:53,908 --> 01:31:55,908
Any.

2413
01:32:04,919 --> 01:32:06,919
>>

2414
01:32:21,236 --> 01:32:23,236
um um.

2415
01:32:35,684 --> 01:32:41,840
>> na na na na na na na na na

2416
01:32:57,672 --> 01:33:00,720
lead on. In. Um.

2417
01:33:41,683 --> 01:33:43,683
Okay.

2418
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:20,686
Come back. Okay. And and. Uh.

2419
01:34:43,546 --> 01:34:47,146
Come back. To. I could make.

2420
01:35:01,970 --> 01:35:04,697
I could make. Could come and.

2421
01:35:26,856 --> 01:35:29,856
Be. Like. Come back. And.

2422
01:36:04,694 --> 01:36:06,694
Uh oh.

2423
01:36:34,900 --> 01:36:36,900
Uh.

2424
01:36:44,735 --> 01:36:46,735
>>

2425
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,160
we.

2426
01:40:38,803 --> 01:40:40,803
>>

2427
01:42:31,584 --> 01:42:33,584
MAY.

2428
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>>

2429
01:43:04,217 --> 01:43:06,217
be.

2430
01:43:21,768 --> 01:43:23,768
>> here.

2431
01:43:49,950 --> 01:43:51,950
You.

2432
01:43:59,739 --> 01:44:01,739
>>

2433
01:48:27,809 --> 01:48:29,809
see?

2434
01:48:44,526 --> 01:48:46,526
>> she she she's.

2435
01:49:09,651 --> 01:49:11,651
Even. Easy.

2436
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You.

2437
01:49:32,841 --> 01:49:34,841
>>

2438
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you you you.

2439
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Do.

2440
01:50:23,892 --> 01:50:25,892
>>

2441
01:50:40,743 --> 01:50:42,743
you.

2442
01:51:24,386 --> 01:51:26,386
MISS.

2443
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>>

2444
01:51:52,749 --> 01:51:54,749
me?

2445
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>>

2446
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you.

2447
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>>

2448
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me?

2449
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>>

2450
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2451
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2452
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2453
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2454
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Uh I

2455
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MISS. You.

2456
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2457
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2458
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2459
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2460
02:08:46,636 --> 02:08:48,636
>>

2461
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you.

2462
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2463
02:09:14,664 --> 02:09:16,664
>>

2464
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you.

2465
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Me.

2466
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2467
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2468
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2469
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2470
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2471
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2472
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2473
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Love you love you.

2474
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Me.

2475
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Really? You. You.

2476
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Me. Me.

2477
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You.

2478
02:15:45,690 --> 02:15:47,690
>>

2479
02:16:11,818 --> 02:16:14,218
me. Hmm? See? Me.

2480
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2481
02:16:50,657 --> 02:16:52,657
And. You.

2482
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>>

2483
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you.

2484
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2485
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>> me.

2486
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2487
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2488
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>>

2489
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mhm.

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>> you.

2491
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>>

2492
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me.

2493
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>> with.

2494
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You.

2495
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2496
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2497
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>> I.

2498
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>>

2499
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I.

2500
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am.

2501
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>>

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me.

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2507
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2509
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Now. Me. You. You.

2510
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>> you.

2511
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>>

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me. You you me.

2513
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2514
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2515
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>> you.

2516
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>>

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you.

2518
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2519
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2520
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you and. Me.

2521
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2522
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2523
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2524
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>>

2525
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2526
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>>

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