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Dr. Audi. Is that possible? I can hear it. Can

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is a reminder that we should, when we speak, try

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Ok, let's get started. Happy Friday to everyone and thank

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you for joining us for this important task force, meaning

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of the South County Higher Education planning task force. This

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is our second meeting, and we have quite an agenda

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this morning. Just to kind of orient everyone before we

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do roll call. The task force discussion today is pretty

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substantive. Today, we turn to one of the most consequential

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questions before this task force. The governance choices that will

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shape how the university district at Trulvista moves from planning

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toward formation and operation. And as the materials themselves recognize

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today is a starting point rather than a final word

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on governance. Unless there is strong consensus among the task

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force that we are ready to move forward with a

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recommendation or recommendations. But our goal is to understand the

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choices before us, identify the principles that should guide our

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evaluation, provide direction on the approaches that warrant further development,

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may require additional analysis before the task force makes recommendations

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to the legislature. I will try to manage this discussion,

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with a sense of purpose of this meeting. And so

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looking forward to all of everyone's perspectives in this meeting

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today. And so with that, I'm going to request, roll

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call to be called, thank you. Yes, member Aguirre. Present.

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Member Allen. Present. Member on Guyano. Member Aronsed Bia.

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comment, let's move forward with an approval of the May

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Motion to approve. Okay. Motion made by member, Allen, second

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bye. Membered on CBA. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Any

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May 1. Meeting are approved. Before we move forward, we

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have one speaker slip for public comment. And I'd like

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to invite Orlando, he sent it to come up to

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the podium. To make your comment. Thanks for being here.

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Good morning task force members. My name is Orlando. I'm

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the student trustee at Southwestern College. And I'm here in

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full support. And on behalf of all the students that

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I represent, thank you. I've been volunteering alongside Marlene since

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May. So I've seen firsthand just how much work you

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guys are putting in to get this university bill. But

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to ensure that this is an absolute success. We have

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to talk about who actually runs it. When these multi

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agency districts are built, the board seats are naturally go

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to city council members, mayors and university administrators. And if

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a student is included at all, it almost always defaults

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to a non - voting advisory vote. And as you

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draft your final recommendations, my strongest request today is that

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you include a permanent voting student trustee on the UDCV

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governing board. I see the value of a student vote

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firsthand at Southwestern College. And a board of officials is

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powerful. A board with a student vote is tied to

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the reality of the students. We are the ones who

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will actually live with the decisions that you guys make.

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classmates need to graduate. And while you're designing this university

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to keep the local talential Avista, guarantee a permanent student

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vote in your governance structure and let us help you

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build the university that truly serves South County. Thank you.

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right, next item update on the task force activities. Do

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we ever speaker? Yes. Ms. Garcia. Thank you. Good morning

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task force members chair Falcon. This is indeed an important

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discussion. It's our second meeting of four meetings. And so

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we, you have noted that the agenda is chock full

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of information. And there is a lot you'll be considering.

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one of the more complex and significant issues you'll be

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addressing because it really sets the foundation for the long

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- term planning. Well, also thinking about where we are

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today and how we take that first step. So it's

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really important, the deliberations and the materials that you have

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been absorbing in preparation for this discussion. I want to

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recognize that the staff have scanned national models and looked

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at California models. And there is no other entity that

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is attempting to do what we're trying to do. So

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we are doing something truly exceptional, unique. And certainly important

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for this community. So thank you. Since our last meeting

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though, we have been working very hard on other activities

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related to the three task force pillars of land use

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governance and finance. And I'm just want to kind of

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give you a quick update on where we're having conversations

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binational roundtable. We are privileged to have been able to

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meet with binational higher education experts, have lots of conversations

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of trying to understand the question of what does it

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really mean to have a university with a binational dimension

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by design. And that really is the key, that it's

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actually envisioned as part of the structure in the system.

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thought to how we designed something together. The second update

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is of community forum we held on July 25th. This,

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we had no idea how the community was going to

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respond, but we were just so pleased that 60 plus

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people showed up for the community meeting. And they were

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genuine community people who are excited. And enthusiastic about this

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university. And as I was reading through their comments, many

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like we're so excited about this happening in our community.

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engage community their thoughts, their ideas, because they had a

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lot of great ideas that they surfaced at the, uh,

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at the forum. But the highlight of the form was

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the students. We had a student panel. And the students

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really brought it all home. They talked about what it's

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the Calibaja area trying to get a degree and education.

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just to get to class. I crossed the border every

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day so I can earn my degree. I need to

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stay close to home because my family needs me. These

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are real heartfelt feelings that the students bring with them.

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is within close proximity to their families and to their

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homes and to their work. Because of the importance of

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community engagement, it is established, it is actually a provision

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within AB 662 to engage the community. We're trying to

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define what that looks like. And I'm really pleased to

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announce that, uh, we've been talking to a lot of

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philanthropic entities, but we recently received a pledge from the

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James Irvine Foundation that they're going to give us 50,

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000 dollars to engage in some community outreach now as

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soon as possible to build on the work of a

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task force. Because the number one issue we're hearing is

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awareness. We need to get the word out. So more

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people understand the incredible work that's being done here in

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Chula Vista. So the more to come on that. And

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I really want to thank you to the Irvine Foundation

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and to college futures. The other philanthropic organization that has

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contributed and is continuing to contribute to, um, consultant support

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to help us with these very challenging and important issues.

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we are also reaching out to the business community because

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after all this institution is going to be designing academic

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programs that are career - lined, that there produced jobs

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at the end for our students. So we have to

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be communicating closely with the business community. So working with

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the city's economic development, director and others were scheduling a

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couple of business meetings to come in the next month.

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One is going to be a luncheon here in Chula

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Vista with co - hosting it with the Chula Vista

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City, the Chula Vista Chamber of Commerce. And we'll be

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giving an update on the task force and also the

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vision behind the university district at Chula Vista. You'll all

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be invited if you're available and interested. And it'll be

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an important discussion to hear from local business entities. Um,

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we are also planning another business roundtable discussion with San

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be hearing more about that. But I think that most

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important thing is that we hear these perspectives that we

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get out beyond and understand how this, what we're creating

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is bigger than just a university. It is an economic

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development opportunity that helps people connect people to jobs, but

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also increases, um, local prosperity and opens access to higher

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education. We are doing everything we can to hear those

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comments, to bring it to you and to certainly to

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reflect that in the final report. The business community will

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have two representatives that it sends to your November meeting

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when you are talking about finance and to talk about

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their perspective and their suggestions for what you might want

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to consider to intentionally build a connection with workforce, um,

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from the beginning. So that's my report. And we're really

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excited about, uh, what you're all going to discuss today

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and the commitment you've all, um, demonstrated and being part

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of this effort. So thank you very much. I'm happy

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to answer questions. Thank you, Marlene. And first of all,

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before I open it up to questions and comments, I

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just want to thank you, um, and the city staff

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and your fellow consultant team, um, for all the substantive

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preparation and all the work that you've done in the

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interim between the first and second meeting and really reframing

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the work that that's been done and the vision work

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as well as, um, the very successful community form that

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took place very recently. So thank you. Any questions or

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comments from the dais on, Marlene's presentation. Okay. Thank you.

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vision framework. So and then following that will be Adriana

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Rolf. Good morning. Uh, good morning. Uh, thank you for

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letting me join you this morning. I am here to

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provide a very brief update on the vision mission defining

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characteristics document. Uh, as you may recall at our last

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meeting, we introduced a draft, uh, prototype of the vision,

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mission, defining framework document. Uh, the intent was to introduce

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the content, solicit feedback, provide time for reflection. There was

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a feedback form that was provided where we gathered all

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of your, um, perspective and recommended edits and acknowledgments of

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the content. Thank you to everyone who participated and to

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the really robust feedback. Really appreciate it. Um, as a

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result of that feedback, we have gone through and made

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refinements of the document, uh, and the content. Some of

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it was minor, minor word changes, language changes, but we

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wanted to bring back to, uh, the group four, if

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you will, four distinct highlights. Just to call your attention

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to some of the more substantive changes. First, we really

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went through and tried to, um, sure that we were

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explicit about the nature of expectation for collaboration. This was

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a key point of feedback from members that they wanted

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it to be clear that this is not just, uh,

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every man for himself, uh, at the site, but very

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much, uh, coalition of the willing who want to engage

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in joint partnership and really have a vested interest in

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the endeavor. We also clarified the adaptive, excuse me, additive,

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not competing. And so really trying to make explicit that

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this was intended to be something that was added to

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California's higher education ecosystem, not designed to compete with our

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existing institutions across the region. We also made sure that

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we were here making explicit the adaptive and accountable, that

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the expectation for the endeavor was that it was going

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to continue to evolve, uh, be adaptive, uh, make explicit

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the use of technology AI and different resources so that

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the enterprise was responsive to the changing landscape impacting higher

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education. And then lastly, we tried to clarify some language,

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really holding onto the concept of a learning society and

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a learning sector that is rooted in the research. But

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really, uh, bringing back language that is much more familiar

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in terms of lifelong learning infrastructure. Because what we are

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talking about is an enterprise that is serving the community,

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uh, at any stage of their educational journey. And so

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really, uh, really leaning into lifelong learning infrastructure language and

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the ecosystem of partnership language. Uh, so those were the

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four big substantive changes, if you will. Again, very minor,

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uh, really grateful for all of the thoughtful feedback, uh,

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that really, um, reinforced the members'commitment to the transformative and

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sort of future forward orientation of the vision mission and

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defining characteristics document. Any questions. Do you have a question

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from Dr. Enkartasian? Thank you, Chair. I have one question

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that doesn't have to be answered today because I think

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we are short on time. But something to think about

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moving forward, um, the additive by design is very familiar

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to us at the University Center as we embark on

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partnerships and collaborations with our university partners. And it's, it's

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truly, um, important when you're collaborating, um, I think it

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would be really good to go back. And I'd be

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curious what the city thinks about additive by design in

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this location city land. I know that there has been

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really a focus on being able to recruit universities and

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not being boxed into what universities you recruit over the

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decades, additive by design. We have a community college. We

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have adult schools. We have private and public universities all

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in this region. If we are going to add to

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it and not duplicate, that means we can't recruit any

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universities. Um, because we have all of the programs we

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have certificate. We have community - based learning. We have

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credit for prior learning. We have research institutions. So more

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maybe diving in with the city too and what it

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means to them and their recruitment efforts because of economic

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development. So again, doesn't have to be answered today, but

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maybe like really looking at that additive by design and

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non - duplication and non - competing. What does that

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mean in terms of economic development, business recruitment, business development

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and really integrating a robust ecosystem of higher education that

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also integrates with economic development? Right. Love it. Um, no,

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no answer to that, if you will. But I think

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it's valuable to note that when we're thinking about additive

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by design and really valuable for the conversation to come

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around governance is non - competition is also not the

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same as non - additive, right? And so I think

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it's really thinking about the population that needs to be

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served in the region and how does this endeavor create

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an additive environment for the individuals in the region who

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are currently underserved, right? As a population. And so I

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think that that'll be an important sort of framing to

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wrestle with as you all get into the governance content.

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But thank you for that feedback. Definitely making a note

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of it. Great. Thank you. Um, any other comments or

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questions from members. Okay. Thank you for your comments and

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for your response. Yes. Dr. out on sevia. I want

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to circle back to Ms. Garcia's points. Yeah. I think

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your mic is not on. Is it out now? There

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you go. Okay. I want to circle back to the

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points that, uh, Marlene gave me about awareness. I think

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that needs to be somewhat circled back here. Cause I

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think this is one of the things that within division

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framework, I think needs to be kind of put out

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there. It seems to me that, um. Again, it's like,

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this is one of the things about nuts and bolts

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and putting the cart before the horse. I think the

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awareness part of this and being able to have that

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as part of the vision to make sure that the

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students know that we're exploring options for this kind of,

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uh, access for the folks that aren't used to having

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access. Does that make sense? I mean, I hope that

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the awareness component needs to be also engaged, I think,

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if that makes sense. That's not just even the clarifying

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question on that one. By awareness, are we thinking communication

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outreach marketing, all of those pieces? Yeah, it's also a

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self - fulfilling prophecy, right? In the sense that the.

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One of the things I keep hearing is the cost.

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The cost, the cost, the locale affects cost. And then,

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I mean, I have kid in college. Cost is expensive,

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you know, so it's kind of like, how are we

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communicating and providing awareness that this will reduce the cost.

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For students? And how involve access. I think that's, that's

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one of the things I think might be just an

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important thing to kind of consider. This is so good.

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And let me test a little bit. I started to

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take up a little bit more time, but I think

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this is such a important point. These two points together

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because what we're, what it sounds like we're talking about

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is making sure that we're being clear that this is

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going to be a different kind of benefit to individuals

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who come to this by reducing costs, by creating different

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opportunities by making sure that this is something additive, uh,

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and, uh, sort of a different experience that creates a

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different access point. Is that a fair? That's absolutely what

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I want. This is so good. We will definitely go

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back. And this I think is a really good, uh,

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example or illustration of the desired process that we're taking

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in the feedback, trying to wrestle through it and, uh,

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we'll keep bringing it back to you as we continue

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to refine it. But thank you. Great. Yes. Dr. Encarnacion.

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Only fix I want to add to that. You just

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made me want to add to that. Sorry. I also

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think that additive is not, um, just saying duplication. Additive

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could be, and this will segue us into this governance,

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I promise. Additive could be, um, not necessarily creating a

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ceiling of just workforce development, just lifelong learning in terms

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of creating opportunities for, um, working adults. It's still absolutely

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could be what the city also has talked about is

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high research universities, but creating that additive value, which is

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access and affordability and ensuring the governance structure, um, requires,

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um, for this entity, whatever it ends up being, um,

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requires for the universities they recruit to work in some

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policies that require access and affordability for our local students.

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Love it. Thank you. Great discussion. Um, any other comments.

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Um, yeah, so when I'm, what I'm hearing from the

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both of you, uh, from member on CBN and member

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in Carnacion is ensuring that, you know, that we continue

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to iterate this work on vision, um, and ensuring that,

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you know, we're grounded in common priorities, which I'm hearing

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is access particularly to folks in our binational region as

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well as, you know, ensuring that we are open to

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inviting potential, um, institutions, um, have a conversation about potentially

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locating, um, or having a presence in this site is

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what I'm hearing. Correct. Okay. Great. Well, thank you. Um.

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Next, I think is Adriana. This item before you is

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a quick overview of the presentation you heard at your

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last meeting. Regarding the site regarding the university district site

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and infrastructure requirements, particularly as it relates to the initial

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phase of development. Um, you've already heard that in 2018,

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the city successfully entitled the University District site and completed

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all the environmental clearances for approximately four million square feet

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of academic space. 1. 6 million square feet of student

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faculty and staff housing, two million square feet of market

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rate residential and tumuling square feet of innovation uses. That

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lays a foundation, that means the foundation has already been

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laid allowing us to focus on attracting the educational institutions

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and innovation partners that will bring this project this vision

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to life. You also heard from Carrier Johnson, the firm

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retained by the city to prepare master plan for the

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first 35 acres of the university district site. As the

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initial phase of development. The first phase envisions of vibrant

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mixed use campus anchored by a student union approximately one

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million square feet of academic research and innovation space. Uh,

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2, 700 parking spaces, 10 acres of open space and

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a central services facility. This slide illustrates the phasing strategy

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that was discussed, which is designed to provide flexibility as

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development progresses and institutional and industry partners begin to establish

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a presence on site. As part of the master planning

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effort, consultants developed a rough order of magnitude, construction, costs,

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estimate as well. Including the necessary infrastructure. The estimated cost

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to complete all phases of the initial project is approximately

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2. 17 billion. And that is just a wrap up

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an overview of what you heard at your last meeting,

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but I wanted to refresh that, um, for new members.

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And without that, we'll transition to the next agenda item.

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But I'm available for any questions. Thank you, Andre. Any

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questions or comments from members. Yes, member Malcolm. Welcome, by

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the way. Send us, uh, digitally all those of that

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information that was sent. To each of the members, please.

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Yes, absolutely. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And the

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other questions or comments from members. Okay. Thank you very

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much. Okay. Moving on to the meat of today's meeting

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is the background on governance structural considerations. And I'd like

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to invite, is it Marty Alvarado again. Yeah, okay, great.

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I'm going to be very quick. And we're going to

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dig into this more in a future item. But as

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we have been preparing, the governance recommendations for the members

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to review. What we wanted to make sure we were

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doing is introducing an organizational maturity framework in a way

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that can help us locate some of the things that

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maybe top of mind for members, uh, and where it

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might be most appropriate for us to think about when

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those questions or items may come up over the course

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of the evolution of the organization. And so you have

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in your materials and organizational framework that really places our

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endeavor right now at the concept stage. And really then

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beginning to transition into the formation stage. Again, we're going

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to get into this more, uh, in just a moment,

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uh, in a next item. But we wanted to introduce

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as you go into hearing the conversation and the presentations

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around the different governance vehicles, keeping in mind that currently

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this endeavor is at the concept stage. And we will

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be moving into a formation stage. And so we are

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thinking about governance relative to what sort of emerging governance

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structures are necessary as we move from an idea into

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an actual formation. We are not at the mature. We

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are not at the fully operational, et cetera. We are

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really just trying to stand it up. And so just

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wanted to, um, make sure that we are continually reinforcing

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that as we think about the different structures and recommendations

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needed. Thank you. Any questions or comments just on the

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process that was laid out by Ms. Albrado. I do

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have a question. When you're, when you say you're going

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to concept to formation, can you kind of dig a

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little bit deeper on that? What is the lens by

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which you're evaluating each of these recommendations? So, uh, what

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we were trying to do was, um, make sure that

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the recommendations moving forward were appropriate for the stage at

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which the entity is. So for example, um, some of

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the feedback and some of the comments that have surfaced

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were oriented around things like credit for prior learning. Like

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we want to make sure we have credit for prior

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learning infrastructure, you know, opportunities for students. That feels more

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at the operating stage as opposed to we need a

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board to actually figure out what this, uh, enterprise is

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going to do. And then it's the responsibility of let's

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say a board or some sort of governance vehicle to

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be able to make those decisions and structures, if you

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will. And so just trying to make sure that this

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framework will help us locate where those conversations might be

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most appropriate to happen as we start, um, start, uh,

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very often digging into or defaulting to the operational implementation.

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Okay. Thank you. We do have a speaker in the

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room, Mario Lopez. Chair Falcon. Yes. And I did have

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a question. Oh, yes. Of course. Dr. Moyes says. And

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the framework. I appreciate the, the framework gives us a

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roadmap. My question was, it's anticipated that it's going to

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be a multi - institutional campus. And as such, is

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it contemplated that it would be possible for different entities

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or institutions to be at different stages of formation? Or

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is this how rigid is it and how fluid is

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it in regards to different institutions and where they're coming

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in? And I want to make sure we give ourselves

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flexibility. So for example, the university A who's here earlier

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and they're further down the construction process. And then we

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will kind of, we'll forge these academic ties as well.

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But a latter point, institution B or university being that

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wants to come in. Obviously they're going to have to

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be at an earlier stage of this framework. I just

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wanted to get an idea for the thought process. Yeah.

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For the fluidity. Yeah. So I should have started by

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saying, um, as we were trained by all of our

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researcher colleagues, every framework is wrong. Some can be helpful.

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Right. And so, uh, this is not meant to be

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like rigid and now you've had it and it's going

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to be compartmentalized when we moved a formation. Now we're

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done. You've missed your opportunity. It is really intended to

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help us have a conversation together around what this evolution

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looks like. And I think what you're calling out, which

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is the different places and stages that wear different entities

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enter into the partnership. I think the goal, as you'll

478
00:33:36,872 --> 00:33:38,832
hear from some of the binational partners and some of

479
00:33:38,832 --> 00:33:41,072
the work that's happening is to be clear about where

480
00:33:41,072 --> 00:33:44,512
we want to start and then really then creating the

481
00:33:44,552 --> 00:33:49,312
space for the onboarding, understanding that as this enterprise matures,

482
00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:52,112
there is going to be new partners, new business partners,

483
00:33:52,152 --> 00:33:54,352
new education partners. And so how do we create a

484
00:33:54,392 --> 00:33:57,552
structure that actually facilitates that? A governance structure that actually

485
00:33:57,653 --> 00:34:03,072
facilitates that. Absolutely. Great. Any other clarifying questions before we

486
00:34:03,072 --> 00:34:09,788
go to public comment. Okay. Um, Mario Lopez.

487
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:22,949
Good afternoon. Muy buenas tardes. I'm very excited to be

488
00:34:22,989 --> 00:34:26,229
here. My name is Mario Lopez. I'm a private consultant.

489
00:34:26,229 --> 00:34:28,149
I do cross border public affairs. And they've been in

490
00:34:28,189 --> 00:34:32,549
the region for the last 25 years in different positions.

491
00:34:32,549 --> 00:34:35,429
Born in Chula Vista race in Tijuana. I'm here to

492
00:34:35,429 --> 00:34:38,869
say that this is very exciting. I'm very supportive. Everything

493
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:42,949
that has been common, especially on this last line item.

494
00:34:42,949 --> 00:34:45,429
And this work is not only important for the cross

495
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:49,335
- border region. It's essential. It's essential because it will

496
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:52,855
unlock the future and the real potential of her cross

497
00:34:52,876 --> 00:34:56,935
- border community, something that South Bay has always lived

498
00:34:56,956 --> 00:35:00,535
with, I think, but it never actually has embraced as

499
00:35:00,535 --> 00:35:02,455
far as action. So it really commend all the work

500
00:35:02,495 --> 00:35:07,584
done. And there's about 75, 000 daily commuters. Who I

501
00:35:07,584 --> 00:35:10,464
think are not necessarily aware that this great work is

502
00:35:10,464 --> 00:35:14,544
being taken place. Uh, huge number of those are students.

503
00:35:15,685 --> 00:35:18,064
A lot of them go to private schools that I

504
00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:20,624
think should be part of this conversation. A lot of

505
00:35:20,624 --> 00:35:24,624
them go to private public schools as well in different

506
00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:28,204
capacities. And also it's very important to mention there are

507
00:35:28,204 --> 00:35:31,424
over 30, 000 American children in the Tijuana public school

508
00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:34,224
system that eventually going to make their way up north.

509
00:35:35,362 --> 00:35:42,386
30, 000 because of different migration. Issues housing deportations COVID.

510
00:35:42,386 --> 00:35:45,346
This is a phenomenon that we did not have in

511
00:35:45,386 --> 00:35:48,386
other years backed. So this work is essential to the

512
00:35:48,426 --> 00:35:52,706
future. And again, this is part of a great workforce.

513
00:35:52,706 --> 00:35:56,146
It makes us unique along the U. S.- Mexico border.

514
00:35:56,146 --> 00:35:59,666
It makes us, um, really harness what we can do

515
00:35:59,687 --> 00:36:02,766
from both sides. So really, I'm excited about this. I'm

516
00:36:02,766 --> 00:36:04,946
very supportive. A lot of people from it came to

517
00:36:04,967 --> 00:36:09,986
Tijuana to support this. And I think having these conversations,

518
00:36:09,986 --> 00:36:12,546
they've already had south of the border will be been

519
00:36:12,647 --> 00:36:15,106
important for the project and long - term. And I

520
00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:17,746
appreciate all the work and all the time, especially the

521
00:36:17,746 --> 00:36:20,066
work, the great staff of the city of Chulapesa has

522
00:36:20,066 --> 00:36:22,226
been doing. Thank you for your time. You got to

523
00:36:22,226 --> 00:36:25,937
ask you. Thank you for being here. And I did

524
00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,817
realize that I went out of order by opening up

525
00:36:29,078 --> 00:36:33,057
to public comment, but appreciate your comments. Um, I will

526
00:36:33,078 --> 00:36:38,177
now request, um, Adriana Ochoa with Snell and Wilmer to

527
00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:44,310
provide the legal frame room work for consideration. Thank you.

528
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:47,750
And good morning to the task force. I'm Adriano Ochoa,

529
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:49,510
partner at Snell and Wilmer. I'm legal counsel for the

530
00:36:49,531 --> 00:36:53,990
task force. And I am here to talk about the

531
00:36:54,171 --> 00:36:59,649
legal frameworks and structures for governance. Just waiting for my

532
00:36:59,910 --> 00:37:01,169
PowerPoint to pop up.

533
00:37:32,821 --> 00:37:37,200
Thank you. Okay. So we are going to talk about,

534
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,120
as you know, the legal structures for the potential future

535
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,520
entity. The bill asks this task force to identify and

536
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,760
recommend government structures for the mixed use intersegmental educational facility

537
00:37:51,941 --> 00:37:54,240
in Julevista. That's part of the report that has to

538
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:58,880
be transmitted next year. Uh, an overview of the legal

539
00:37:58,981 --> 00:38:03,120
structure is considered the consortium model specifically addressed in the

540
00:38:03,141 --> 00:38:09,260
legislation itself. A joint powers authority. MOU based coordination, new

541
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:13,120
statutory entity and a nonprofit organization are among the legal

542
00:38:13,301 --> 00:38:18,916
structures that we considered when coming to the recommendation. So

543
00:38:19,097 --> 00:38:23,236
first, the consortium model. An educational consortium is a partnership

544
00:38:23,337 --> 00:38:27,476
where multiple schools, universities or libraries pull their resources to

545
00:38:27,737 --> 00:38:33,556
expend student opportunities and reduce operational costs. Generally, this looks

546
00:38:33,556 --> 00:38:39,300
like shared services agreements for facilities, library books. Um, maybe

547
00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:44,580
transportation. Cross registration, meaning students enrolled at one institution can

548
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:47,940
take classes at any other member school or joint purchasing

549
00:38:48,361 --> 00:38:52,932
for things like books or other technologies. Um, key features

550
00:38:52,932 --> 00:38:57,732
of the consortium. It is a fundamentally a contractual arrangement

551
00:38:58,233 --> 00:39:01,632
rather than the creation of a new legal entity. Uh,

552
00:39:01,632 --> 00:39:06,052
this approach is flexible. It preserves each segment's existing administrative

553
00:39:06,073 --> 00:39:10,292
structure while fostering collaboration. And it does not require new

554
00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:15,892
enabling legislation. However, because it is contractual rather than statutory

555
00:39:15,913 --> 00:39:19,252
or otherwise protected by law. This also means that a

556
00:39:19,252 --> 00:39:23,732
consortium would lack the independent legal personality of a JPA

557
00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:27,972
or a newly created entity or district. The consortium could

558
00:39:28,012 --> 00:39:30,852
not hold property in its own name issue debt or

559
00:39:31,513 --> 00:39:35,812
employee staff unless the party's designated one member as the

560
00:39:35,913 --> 00:39:39,572
fiscal and administrative agent. And that puts a disproportionate amount

561
00:39:39,572 --> 00:39:45,735
of risk on that entity. Also, you know, as part

562
00:39:45,735 --> 00:39:47,975
of the discussion, even though it's at a future meeting,

563
00:39:47,975 --> 00:39:51,255
we did talk about financing options and a consortium would

564
00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:55,175
luck. The financing capacity for major capital projects. And when

565
00:39:55,175 --> 00:39:58,775
you look at stuff like bonds, um, the bond markets

566
00:39:58,775 --> 00:40:01,815
typically prefer a single legal entity over a web of

567
00:40:01,996 --> 00:40:10,684
contractual obligations among separate institutions. The next model we considered

568
00:40:10,865 --> 00:40:15,404
was a joint powers authority. Under the joint exercise of

569
00:40:15,505 --> 00:40:19,884
powers act, which is in the government code, uh, participating

570
00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:23,484
public agencies may create through the creation of a joint

571
00:40:23,665 --> 00:40:27,564
powers agreement. A JPA or a joint powers authority to

572
00:40:27,665 --> 00:40:31,004
jointly exercise powers that are common to the contracting parties.

573
00:40:31,425 --> 00:40:35,211
The JPA would be a separate legal entity. That can

574
00:40:35,211 --> 00:40:40,631
hold property, enter into contracts, issue debt, employee staff. And

575
00:40:40,631 --> 00:40:46,547
importantly, act as a liability shield. The principal advantage of

576
00:40:46,648 --> 00:40:51,027
a JPA is the institutional permanence and the unified authority

577
00:40:51,368 --> 00:40:52,947
or the buy - in, as we like to say.

578
00:40:54,261 --> 00:40:59,320
As a separate legal entity, uh, the JPA can, as

579
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,520
I said, hold title to facilities and perform a number

580
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,800
of tasks that no consortium or MOU would be able

581
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,800
to replicate without designating one member to bear disproportionate fiscal

582
00:41:10,981 --> 00:41:15,920
and administrative responsibility, as well as inherent additional risk. This

583
00:41:16,501 --> 00:41:20,160
independent legal disposition also positions the JPA as a single

584
00:41:20,421 --> 00:41:24,880
applicant for stuff like federal and state grants. Um, and

585
00:41:25,301 --> 00:41:29,840
it would capture intersegmental funding opportunities that might otherwise require

586
00:41:30,501 --> 00:41:36,720
fragmented institution by institution applications. The JPA's ability to issue

587
00:41:36,981 --> 00:41:42,320
revenue bonds, lease revenue bonds, cops certificates of participation and

588
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,160
access to Marx Roos pooled financing gives a capital market

589
00:41:46,501 --> 00:41:52,586
access that consortiums or MOUs would lack entirely. JPAs are

590
00:41:52,626 --> 00:41:55,546
public agencies because they're formed by public bodies. So they

591
00:41:55,546 --> 00:41:59,146
would be subject to open meeting laws, public records, SEQA

592
00:41:59,487 --> 00:42:04,426
and prevailing wage in the construction process. Um, we considered

593
00:42:04,426 --> 00:42:08,066
the drawbacks of a JPA with your minimal loss of

594
00:42:08,066 --> 00:42:11,626
an independent control among the participating agencies, but there is

595
00:42:12,207 --> 00:42:15,546
a mechanism for control, which is the appointment of your

596
00:42:15,567 --> 00:42:19,965
respective members on the JPA's governing board. Uh, there are

597
00:42:19,965 --> 00:42:23,685
some binational considerations, which we will go over sort of

598
00:42:23,685 --> 00:42:28,045
in the recommendation phase. But note that under a JPA

599
00:42:28,085 --> 00:42:30,965
model, a Mexican public university would not be able to

600
00:42:31,106 --> 00:42:35,705
participate as a member. Uh, and that's because they are

601
00:42:35,705 --> 00:42:37,245
governed by a different set of laws of different countries

602
00:42:37,506 --> 00:42:40,805
that have loss. Um, and the other federal kind of

603
00:42:40,805 --> 00:42:44,765
contracting issues with states or public agencies contracting with foreign

604
00:42:44,765 --> 00:42:48,045
governments. Um, but we do have a proposed solution, which

605
00:42:48,045 --> 00:42:53,565
is the JPA could contract with a 501c3 nonprofit that

606
00:42:53,565 --> 00:42:56,925
is operated with affiliated by our controlled by a Mexican

607
00:42:56,946 --> 00:43:01,805
university. Contracts can be 50 years, right? They can be

608
00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:06,525
very long. And so you could have a more permanent

609
00:43:06,946 --> 00:43:11,725
partner with a Mexican university or a nonprofit that is

610
00:43:11,765 --> 00:43:15,005
affiliated with the Mexican university through something like a contract.

611
00:43:19,615 --> 00:43:25,005
MOU - based coordination. So MOUs or memorandums of understanding

612
00:43:25,106 --> 00:43:29,545
is another model that we explored. It's less formal. Um,

613
00:43:30,466 --> 00:43:35,325
it's basically a series of contracts that could govern specific

614
00:43:35,346 --> 00:43:41,005
aspects of the university district. Um, space allocations scheduling, cost

615
00:43:41,005 --> 00:43:45,805
sharing, program coordination and student services. No separate legal entity

616
00:43:45,845 --> 00:43:50,445
would be created, which provides max flexibility for each party.

617
00:43:50,445 --> 00:43:53,165
However, there are a number of limitations to this model.

618
00:43:54,178 --> 00:43:57,757
Again, it lacks the institutional permanence needed for a major

619
00:43:58,018 --> 00:44:01,277
capital project here. If you're talking about hundreds of millions

620
00:44:01,317 --> 00:44:06,237
of dollars, um, MOUs are generally a little too loose

621
00:44:06,277 --> 00:44:10,477
for that. Um, every significant decision would require each of

622
00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:12,397
the parties to the MOU to go back to their

623
00:44:12,498 --> 00:44:15,917
respective boards for coordination or decisions, which can slow things

624
00:44:15,957 --> 00:44:20,237
down. Uh, there's no independent borrowing capacity each institution would

625
00:44:20,277 --> 00:44:24,797
have to finance its own share. Um, parties can withdraw

626
00:44:25,378 --> 00:44:28,797
or let agreements lapse under, for example, the JPA model

627
00:44:28,818 --> 00:44:32,877
withdrawal is possible, but it's a lot harder and more

628
00:44:32,877 --> 00:44:39,917
complicated. Um, things like pensions and retirement, um, uh, funds

629
00:44:40,178 --> 00:44:43,117
are considered statutorily. We're us in something like an MOU

630
00:44:43,218 --> 00:44:47,298
or even a consortium. They're not. Um, and there are

631
00:44:47,298 --> 00:44:52,178
potentially increased aggregate costs of capital versus a consolidated entity.

632
00:44:53,731 --> 00:44:55,790
The staff, when we came out on this, we thought

633
00:44:56,131 --> 00:44:58,430
that an MOU would be best suited for the early

634
00:44:58,611 --> 00:45:03,550
phases of collaboration as we start gathering and soliciting partners

635
00:45:04,051 --> 00:45:09,230
for the university districts. Probably not appropriate for the large

636
00:45:09,251 --> 00:45:15,219
- scale capital development. We also considered the new statutory

637
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:22,050
entity as a model for the task force. Um. We

638
00:45:22,151 --> 00:45:27,970
could recommend new legislation, uh, for a new statutory entity.

639
00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:31,170
And that could define the entities powers, membership, fiscal authority

640
00:45:31,431 --> 00:45:37,671
and relationship to each participating segment. Something it could do

641
00:45:37,711 --> 00:45:40,951
that a JP could not is authorized capabilities that are

642
00:45:40,951 --> 00:45:46,703
not common to the constituent members. A new statutory entity

643
00:45:48,484 --> 00:45:53,263
could be tailor - made for the unique university district.

644
00:45:53,263 --> 00:45:56,523
And it could be granted its own express powers. So

645
00:45:56,563 --> 00:46:00,283
that's a pretty rigid form of creation that you would

646
00:46:00,323 --> 00:46:05,163
be recommending. Um, but this approach carries drawbacks that warrant

647
00:46:05,203 --> 00:46:11,113
careful consideration. Establishing a holy new statutory entity would require

648
00:46:11,454 --> 00:46:15,833
separate follow - on legislation, adding time and political certainty

649
00:46:16,494 --> 00:46:22,793
beyond both the reporting deadline and the existing statute's sunset.

650
00:46:22,793 --> 00:46:26,233
A new entity could impose duties on the city or

651
00:46:26,254 --> 00:46:31,033
other local agencies that could generate unanticipated costs or unanticipated

652
00:46:31,134 --> 00:46:39,778
outcomes. Beyond the legislative process itself, the new statutory entity

653
00:46:39,818 --> 00:46:43,458
would be comparatively rigid once created. A new entity would

654
00:46:43,458 --> 00:46:47,458
be harder to amend or dissolve than a consortium or

655
00:46:47,498 --> 00:46:52,498
a JPA whose terms could be renegotiated directly by in

656
00:46:52,538 --> 00:46:57,698
between the parties. Um, the authorizing legislation, depending on how

657
00:46:57,879 --> 00:47:01,618
specific it would be, could risk duplicating or conflicting with

658
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:08,670
existing statewide governance structures or the academic. Unless the authority

659
00:47:08,771 --> 00:47:12,430
is precisely carved out relative to each segment's existing governance.

660
00:47:19,179 --> 00:47:22,838
Thank you. Okay. Next, uh, next we'll go to the

661
00:47:22,939 --> 00:47:27,246
nonprofit. Let me see if I covered everything here. Yes,

662
00:47:27,246 --> 00:47:33,286
pretty much. And the last model discussed was a nonprofit

663
00:47:33,387 --> 00:47:40,306
or a 501c3 nonprofit public benefit corporation. Another, you know,

664
00:47:40,306 --> 00:47:42,886
one of the, besides the JPA, the only other model

665
00:47:43,707 --> 00:47:47,766
that's got a corresponding principle act in the corporations code.

666
00:47:47,766 --> 00:47:50,646
It's covered by statute. Um, so this is a practical

667
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:56,166
vehicle for the binational participation where the other, um, options

668
00:47:56,827 --> 00:48:01,846
are, it gets a little bit more complicated. A 501c3

669
00:48:01,846 --> 00:48:04,166
could be affiliated with the Mexican university, which would enable

670
00:48:04,587 --> 00:48:10,486
cross - border collaboration without triggering statutory or constitutional constraints.

671
00:48:10,747 --> 00:48:13,606
Key features. So a nonprofit could be modeled on the

672
00:48:13,707 --> 00:48:17,526
friends of organization structure, which is a very popular organization

673
00:48:17,566 --> 00:48:21,506
structure across the country for cross - border collaboration. Um,

674
00:48:21,787 --> 00:48:25,366
there's no IRC, which is the internal revenue code. There's

675
00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:30,166
no federal prohibition on foreign entities creating a 501c3. There's

676
00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:35,446
no residency requirements for directors. So our friends on the

677
00:48:35,627 --> 00:48:40,806
Mexican University side could participate despite being Mexican national citizens

678
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:46,067
on a 501c3's board, um, to create representation. And have

679
00:48:46,107 --> 00:48:49,427
their voices heard. Uh, the board would be independent and

680
00:48:49,448 --> 00:48:55,347
could take on any number of different personalities, right? In

681
00:48:55,347 --> 00:48:57,187
terms of how large or small it can be and

682
00:48:57,187 --> 00:49:00,438
in terms of what the participation would look like. And

683
00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:03,558
of course, the US board would be required to maintain

684
00:49:03,739 --> 00:49:08,826
discretion and control over funds. The advantages, so this would

685
00:49:08,847 --> 00:49:14,506
eliminate the public agency limitation under the joint exercise of

686
00:49:14,546 --> 00:49:17,866
powers act if the 501c3 executes a contract with a

687
00:49:17,866 --> 00:49:23,453
JPA. And the nonprofit would be able to receive and

688
00:49:23,474 --> 00:49:27,213
hold funds in U. S. dollars and accept tax deductible

689
00:49:27,234 --> 00:49:31,533
donations, which is something, for example, a JPA couldn't offer.

690
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:35,613
Um, it would insulate the JPA from foreign sovereign immunity

691
00:49:35,653 --> 00:49:39,373
issues. And again, there's no need for special legislation, congressional

692
00:49:39,394 --> 00:49:46,342
consent, um, or, or treaty or other considerations. Um, so

693
00:49:46,603 --> 00:49:49,302
again, this is an overview of the five models that

694
00:49:50,363 --> 00:49:53,702
were considered. And I think Marty is going to go

695
00:49:53,742 --> 00:49:57,462
over the recommended model moving forward, but I'm happy to

696
00:49:57,462 --> 00:50:00,182
answer any questions about the legal structures of the governance.

697
00:50:01,823 --> 00:50:04,842
Thank you, Ms. Ochoi. And thank you for clearly laying

698
00:50:04,842 --> 00:50:10,708
things out very clearly for us. Any clarifying questions before

699
00:50:10,889 --> 00:50:16,507
we go to the next speaker. Yes. Dr. Jones. Dr.

700
00:50:16,547 --> 00:50:21,227
Moore. As a point of clarification, um, I think I

701
00:50:21,328 --> 00:50:24,427
heard that you can use both models or two or

702
00:50:24,467 --> 00:50:28,269
more models or are we looking for just one. Yes.

703
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:31,949
We, uh, absolutely. And part of the recommendation is actually

704
00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:35,629
almost three. It's kind of early stage MOU to recruit

705
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:39,629
and solicit partners. Then the establishment of a JPA, which

706
00:50:39,629 --> 00:50:42,269
I don't want to spoiler alert, but, um, establishment of

707
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:44,509
a JPA once we have some partners that are willing

708
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:47,789
to participate in that. And then maybe or around the

709
00:50:47,789 --> 00:50:50,269
same time the formation of a nonprofit so that we

710
00:50:50,269 --> 00:50:55,209
can start developing the operational and by national component, um,

711
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:57,869
and longer term, you know, now we're getting into the

712
00:50:57,970 --> 00:51:02,349
later parts of that maturity arc because longer term would

713
00:51:02,349 --> 00:51:06,989
the JPA have perpetual life. It depends, right? Because it

714
00:51:07,029 --> 00:51:10,589
depends on what we need from it. Um, there's a,

715
00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:13,069
there's a situation where maybe that could happen. There's a

716
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:15,709
situation where maybe it wouldn't be necessary anymore depending on

717
00:51:15,730 --> 00:51:19,796
the nonprofits. Depending on the structure of the whole university

718
00:51:19,897 --> 00:51:23,876
district, um, and what happens with the land and potentially

719
00:51:24,137 --> 00:51:27,956
leases. But, um, but no, you can definitely, and those

720
00:51:27,956 --> 00:51:32,036
two models kind of go nicely together. The JPA with

721
00:51:32,057 --> 00:51:36,036
the 501c3, both for fundraising opportunities for the Binance national

722
00:51:36,076 --> 00:51:38,916
component and a number of other reasons that Marty will

723
00:51:38,937 --> 00:51:42,414
articulate when we get to the recommendation. Thank you. Sure.

724
00:51:42,995 --> 00:51:46,574
Dr. Moore. Yes, I have a comment on slide two.

725
00:51:49,107 --> 00:51:51,886
So the bullet that you didn't read here, um, under

726
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:56,766
drawbacks, which is Compax negotiations among divergent institutional cultures, governance

727
00:51:56,947 --> 00:52:01,644
traditions, legal authorities. University's often have joint governance as part

728
00:52:01,644 --> 00:52:05,644
of their governance, their internal governance structure, which includes the

729
00:52:05,745 --> 00:52:12,364
academic Senate. And they have greater or less authority depending

730
00:52:12,364 --> 00:52:15,964
on the institution. However, I think we should go into

731
00:52:15,985 --> 00:52:20,524
this very clear eye because I can anticipate that we

732
00:52:20,524 --> 00:52:24,764
could set something recommends something here. And then once it

733
00:52:24,764 --> 00:52:30,584
goes into the internal conversations within the participating partnerships, um,

734
00:52:30,945 --> 00:52:33,404
there could be quite a bit of, of back and

735
00:52:33,444 --> 00:52:35,644
forth. And there needs to be flexibility in order to

736
00:52:35,644 --> 00:52:39,988
be able to, um, accommodate that. Thank you. Yes. And

737
00:52:40,028 --> 00:52:43,508
that's an excellent point. So, you know, I would say

738
00:52:43,769 --> 00:52:48,468
each of these options, all five contemplate complex negotiations among

739
00:52:48,729 --> 00:52:54,468
divergent institutional cultures, um, and the legal authorities are something

740
00:52:54,468 --> 00:52:57,908
that a joint powers authority agreement in particular would have

741
00:52:57,908 --> 00:53:02,148
to navigate carefully. Um, but education is a matter of

742
00:53:02,169 --> 00:53:06,148
statewide concern. And so the legislature has created the UC

743
00:53:06,148 --> 00:53:09,908
system, the CSU system, the community college system to serve

744
00:53:09,929 --> 00:53:13,408
their various functions. And we would need to carefully, uh,

745
00:53:13,529 --> 00:53:20,228
respect the different, uh, governance structures and legal frameworks in

746
00:53:20,249 --> 00:53:23,348
drafting the joint powers agreement. Um, but really any of

747
00:53:23,388 --> 00:53:25,588
the models are going to require whoever the partners are

748
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:29,108
to come in and start negotiating and figure out what

749
00:53:29,369 --> 00:53:32,628
their places are, how they want the structure to look,

750
00:53:32,628 --> 00:53:38,248
um, but yeah, those are excellent points. Thank you. Any

751
00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:44,526
other clarifying questions. Dr. Gueda and then member Malcolm. Thank

752
00:53:44,566 --> 00:53:46,686
you. Thank you, Chair Falcon. I have a number of

753
00:53:46,707 --> 00:53:49,886
clarifying questions. And I don't know if the necessary an

754
00:53:49,886 --> 00:53:53,166
answer at this point, but when, um, when, uh, considering

755
00:53:53,187 --> 00:53:57,246
our contemplating a JPA were exoficio members part of the

756
00:53:57,507 --> 00:54:02,846
consideration in terms of Mexican university representation. So I understand

757
00:54:03,747 --> 00:54:07,866
the rules in place about participation of foreign nationals. Um,

758
00:54:07,866 --> 00:54:09,226
but I was wondering if that was part of the

759
00:54:09,226 --> 00:54:14,319
contemplation is exoficial members. The other question that I had

760
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:17,759
was, um, I understand that sometimes not profits are able

761
00:54:17,759 --> 00:54:21,439
to have less than a majority of interested members from

762
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:25,119
another entity, i. e. a JPA. So that also a

763
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,359
contemplation in terms of would there be a possibility to

764
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:32,239
have an individual number of individuals who do not constitute

765
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:35,519
a majority that are still able to be members of

766
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:40,639
both the JPA and the 501c3. So the question of

767
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,822
overlap institutional overlap would be kind of a question. That

768
00:54:44,862 --> 00:54:48,222
they're one that given some of the universities involved, I

769
00:54:48,222 --> 00:54:52,342
think is an important matter to also contemplate his geography.

770
00:54:52,342 --> 00:54:54,822
I believe we're really focused on our by national region.

771
00:54:55,788 --> 00:54:58,007
And so I do think that there's something to be

772
00:54:58,028 --> 00:55:02,567
said for universities that are located within the Binational Region.

773
00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:05,927
Again, I understand there's, there's others, whether it be Unam

774
00:55:05,948 --> 00:55:09,367
or whether it be others in LA that are interested.

775
00:55:09,367 --> 00:55:11,127
But for me, I think it's important that we maintain

776
00:55:11,788 --> 00:55:15,827
the Binational Aspect of what we're trying to establish. And

777
00:55:15,827 --> 00:55:17,847
then I have a number of funding questions about what

778
00:55:17,868 --> 00:55:22,007
would happen. And what are the methods to resolve disputes?

779
00:55:22,007 --> 00:55:23,527
It's really kind of starting to get into the weeed.

780
00:55:23,527 --> 00:55:27,447
But what would happen if interinstitutional disputes were to arise?

781
00:55:27,788 --> 00:55:32,887
So, um, no, we did not contemplate an exoficio position

782
00:55:33,308 --> 00:55:38,087
on the JPA board for a Mexican national. We could.

783
00:55:39,475 --> 00:55:42,494
I think it would get complicated because the point of

784
00:55:42,835 --> 00:55:47,054
a California joint powers authority is to have California public

785
00:55:47,075 --> 00:55:50,894
agencies participating and keep the sort of, um, personality of

786
00:55:52,595 --> 00:55:56,254
a state public agency. And it might, you know, I

787
00:55:56,275 --> 00:56:01,054
haven't frankly looked into exoficio seats, uh, into a JPA,

788
00:56:01,054 --> 00:56:02,654
but we're happy to do that. And I'm happy to

789
00:56:02,995 --> 00:56:05,854
explore that. Um, we thought it would be sort of

790
00:56:06,435 --> 00:56:12,414
more meaningful to the Mexican partners or Binational Partners to

791
00:56:12,595 --> 00:56:16,094
have something like a nonprofit that they could actually run

792
00:56:16,995 --> 00:56:21,614
and control. Um, instead of having, because of course JPAs

793
00:56:21,654 --> 00:56:25,534
would require either Bagley keen or brown X compliance, public

794
00:56:25,534 --> 00:56:28,254
meetings. They could have a spot, a standing item on

795
00:56:28,254 --> 00:56:31,374
the agenda for reports. It'd probably be appropriate for that.

796
00:56:31,374 --> 00:56:33,934
And that might seem a little bit more meaningful than

797
00:56:34,355 --> 00:56:39,355
a nonvoting position. Um, we did not explore having a

798
00:56:39,376 --> 00:56:42,635
JPA minority on the nonprofit board. We did talk about

799
00:56:42,656 --> 00:56:45,755
what that board could look like. And the reason that

800
00:56:45,856 --> 00:56:50,875
happens often when a public agency forms a nonprofit for

801
00:56:50,915 --> 00:56:53,755
various charitable purposes, they staff it with a number of

802
00:56:53,795 --> 00:56:57,835
their own directors or staff persons. Um, that's a little

803
00:56:57,835 --> 00:57:00,235
bit farther than where we're at now in terms of

804
00:57:00,496 --> 00:57:02,315
the, you know, that's something that would be discussed by

805
00:57:02,416 --> 00:57:05,355
between the partners to see if that's something that's important.

806
00:57:05,355 --> 00:57:09,895
Um, and so it's certainly something that could happen. Um,

807
00:57:09,895 --> 00:57:11,995
there's nothing that precludes it. It's just a matter of

808
00:57:12,016 --> 00:57:18,430
what appetite the partners that are involved have. Um, and

809
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:22,190
then with respect to the binational participation, you know, hugely,

810
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:26,190
hugely important, uh, and really central to all the conversations

811
00:57:26,451 --> 00:57:29,150
that staff has been having and what makes us different,

812
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:32,510
what would make this UDCV different, um, is the Binational

813
00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:36,350
participation, which is why we tried to give special consideration

814
00:57:36,350 --> 00:57:39,790
to the nonprofit option as either the entity that would

815
00:57:39,811 --> 00:57:42,830
operate the site or at least a partner entity that

816
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:46,430
would participate in the site to allow, um, Mexican and

817
00:57:46,451 --> 00:57:50,990
to draw more participation from Mexican public universities, private universities

818
00:57:51,331 --> 00:57:53,790
partners. You know, that's something that the nonprofit could do

819
00:57:54,451 --> 00:57:56,750
that, for example, the JPA couldn't do is involve private

820
00:57:56,851 --> 00:58:00,190
institutions, not just public institutions. So all of that was

821
00:58:00,211 --> 00:58:05,552
given significant weight as we came to the recommendations. Great.

822
00:58:06,533 --> 00:58:12,172
I remember Malcolm. Yes, I have a question really to

823
00:58:12,212 --> 00:58:19,307
the city manager, City Chilvesta. On this issue. And I'll

824
00:58:19,307 --> 00:58:24,529
do respect to this great committee. The city owns the

825
00:58:24,529 --> 00:58:32,039
land. The city needs to, um, and has other authorities.

826
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,919
As a charter city that you talked about bonding that

827
00:58:35,020 --> 00:58:41,278
general law cities doesn't have. So JPA. On some things

828
00:58:41,318 --> 00:58:45,838
aren't necessary. But I'm, I'm worried about as long as

829
00:58:45,859 --> 00:58:53,166
the city's happy, I'm okay. But we're really creating, or

830
00:58:53,166 --> 00:58:58,845
discussing entities. To go out and discuss what we're going

831
00:58:58,845 --> 00:59:03,403
to do and how we're going to do it. And

832
00:59:03,504 --> 00:59:07,609
yet the biggest benefactor has one vote out of. How

833
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:14,809
many. And, um, should there be some type of, it's

834
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:19,609
handag, we can call different cities, can call weighted vote

835
00:59:19,649 --> 00:59:23,819
or something. Are you happy or satisfied with the direction

836
00:59:23,859 --> 00:59:29,012
we're going for the protection of your constituents. Well, I

837
00:59:29,012 --> 00:59:31,972
think what we've discussed so far is really the structure

838
00:59:32,233 --> 00:59:36,532
and laying out the different options. Um, with the recommendation

839
00:59:36,532 --> 00:59:39,812
that they're going to be presenting with the JPA and

840
00:59:39,852 --> 00:59:44,692
the potential 501c3, I think that that properly protects the

841
00:59:44,713 --> 00:59:49,332
city's interest as the property owner. That is our role

842
00:59:49,372 --> 00:59:51,172
here. We are the, we are the owner. We are

843
00:59:51,172 --> 00:59:54,372
the advocate. Um, but we also are not in the

844
00:59:54,412 --> 00:59:56,612
business of running a university. And we recognize that that

845
00:59:56,713 --> 00:59:59,572
is not, um, our strength. And so it is important

846
00:59:59,593 --> 01:00:04,132
to us to bring in the academic partners as the

847
01:00:04,153 --> 01:00:06,832
organization does mature. And so I think that's a lot

848
01:00:06,832 --> 01:00:10,452
of why you're hearing this concept of an organizational maturity

849
01:00:10,953 --> 01:00:14,132
model and having the right structure at the right time

850
01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:16,932
for what's in front of us. And so, um, right

851
01:00:16,972 --> 01:00:20,452
now we're very comfortable with what's being proposed. Um, but

852
01:00:20,633 --> 01:00:23,832
it's also, um, you know, really, that's part of the

853
01:00:23,832 --> 01:00:26,132
discussion here for the task force and to get that

854
01:00:26,172 --> 01:00:30,118
feedback. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the question

855
01:00:30,459 --> 01:00:34,038
and jumping in, remember Alan as city manager for the

856
01:00:34,038 --> 01:00:39,690
city. Um, yes, member incarnation. So I'm going to build

857
01:00:39,711 --> 01:00:45,130
off of task member Malcolm's question because it sparked one

858
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:47,930
that I wrote down as well. Um, earlier we talked

859
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:52,170
about in the land use presentation, the university innovation district

860
01:00:52,431 --> 01:00:56,950
versus the first phase, which is the university district, the

861
01:00:56,950 --> 01:01:01,610
35 acres. And so I keep having, and it could

862
01:01:01,951 --> 01:01:07,610
be, you know, my problem. Um, ambiguity on this task

863
01:01:07,791 --> 01:01:12,170
force scope is a task force planning a governance or

864
01:01:12,191 --> 01:01:16,627
making a recommendation on a governance entity. For the first

865
01:01:17,448 --> 01:01:21,747
phase, which is the 35 acres, where we being asked

866
01:01:21,768 --> 01:01:26,707
to create a recommendation on the governance entity for the

867
01:01:26,808 --> 01:01:32,307
UID, which you made me think of, um, member Malcolm

868
01:01:32,648 --> 01:01:37,987
because that is seems like an encroachment on cities purview.

869
01:01:37,987 --> 01:01:39,587
Um, so I'm just going to put that out there.

870
01:01:40,364 --> 01:01:46,163
No answer needed. But I do, um, I'm hearing, um,

871
01:01:48,044 --> 01:01:55,863
if the legal entity of the, um, governance structure, I'm

872
01:01:55,863 --> 01:01:59,383
not hearing, I'm hearing questions and comments and are wonderful

873
01:01:59,724 --> 01:02:03,863
student trustee made of public comment. Um, if membership was

874
01:02:04,124 --> 01:02:07,943
contemplated, because I'm not seeing that in here. And the

875
01:02:08,044 --> 01:02:12,823
questions about, you know, majority membership on a JPA for

876
01:02:13,164 --> 01:02:19,303
a landowner or exofficio membership. And I think also about

877
01:02:19,884 --> 01:02:23,623
what member Moore said and the different institutions having different

878
01:02:24,204 --> 01:02:30,823
shared governance and institutional cultures. And also centralized institutions and

879
01:02:31,404 --> 01:02:36,663
meeting their central body to even approve the participation on

880
01:02:37,324 --> 01:02:43,623
a governance structure. And so in the contemplation of all

881
01:02:43,663 --> 01:02:50,063
of the recommendations, membership, um, was that contemplated. I didn't

882
01:02:50,063 --> 01:02:53,143
see that in the recommendations or the discussion. And then

883
01:02:53,143 --> 01:02:57,703
I think about voting structures. We've talked about who votes.

884
01:02:57,703 --> 01:02:59,623
What would that voting structure look like? And what is

885
01:02:59,663 --> 01:03:03,303
the authority of the voting structure? Would certain people have

886
01:03:03,324 --> 01:03:06,423
different. We talked about weighted votes. Um, so I'm just

887
01:03:06,684 --> 01:03:11,143
curious if that was contemplated. And if it was, maybe

888
01:03:11,143 --> 01:03:14,743
you can share with the task force more about what

889
01:03:14,764 --> 01:03:18,183
was contemplated and what was thought about. Sure. I mean,

890
01:03:18,183 --> 01:03:20,663
part of the beauty of the JPA model is that

891
01:03:20,764 --> 01:03:24,423
all of that is discussed and decided when you draft

892
01:03:24,444 --> 01:03:30,503
the joint powers agreement. So would that be included though?

893
01:03:30,503 --> 01:03:33,063
And that's what we're tasked with is providing a recommendation

894
01:03:33,244 --> 01:03:37,063
to the legislator. So if we go with a joint

895
01:03:37,103 --> 01:03:40,703
task force with a nonprofit so that we want to

896
01:03:40,703 --> 01:03:46,583
include my national, would this task force include any of

897
01:03:46,583 --> 01:03:48,983
those levels of details? Would we be tasked with having

898
01:03:49,023 --> 01:03:51,863
that discussion here in an open meeting and being able

899
01:03:51,863 --> 01:03:56,743
to have that background so that we can contemplate whether

900
01:03:56,764 --> 01:04:00,947
we would include that in our recommendation. What level of

901
01:04:01,048 --> 01:04:04,718
detail we would include, would we consider including it. I

902
01:04:04,758 --> 01:04:08,318
think that's a determination for the task force, but I,

903
01:04:08,358 --> 01:04:13,598
my initial answer is no. The mission of the bill

904
01:04:13,619 --> 01:04:18,158
is to recommend a governance structure that government structure could

905
01:04:18,198 --> 01:04:21,038
be a joint powers authority with the nonprofit partner to

906
01:04:22,259 --> 01:04:25,838
complement the Binational component with those details to be sorted

907
01:04:25,859 --> 01:04:29,198
out, A, once we have partners. I mean, because what

908
01:04:29,238 --> 01:04:32,718
you don't want is to recommend something as a task

909
01:04:32,739 --> 01:04:38,207
force. That scares folks away or precludes folks from even

910
01:04:38,247 --> 01:04:39,967
having a discussion about whether or not they want to

911
01:04:40,007 --> 01:04:44,287
participate. So you have to really find that balance between

912
01:04:44,468 --> 01:04:48,607
over prescribing and under prescribing. So my gut, and I

913
01:04:48,607 --> 01:04:51,727
know Marlene and Marty are probably itching the talk too,

914
01:04:51,727 --> 01:04:55,487
is to say, you know, you, you, the recommendation is

915
01:04:55,527 --> 01:04:59,615
for the structure. And then depending on how the legislature

916
01:04:59,716 --> 01:05:02,975
responds, how's this task force response? You would then find

917
01:05:02,996 --> 01:05:06,495
your partners and have those discussions. Is a JPA something

918
01:05:06,676 --> 01:05:12,727
you'd entertain. Um, and if so, what are the voting?

919
01:05:12,727 --> 01:05:14,247
Are we talking about five member board? We talked about

920
01:05:14,268 --> 01:05:17,127
a 10 member board. Are we talking about weighted voting?

921
01:05:17,127 --> 01:05:19,847
Are we talking about one vote for each person talking

922
01:05:19,847 --> 01:05:25,127
about exofficeo members? Those discussions happen once you have partners.

923
01:05:25,127 --> 01:05:28,327
And once you have buy - in, go ahead, Marlene.

924
01:05:28,327 --> 01:05:30,247
I know you want to chime in too. Because we're

925
01:05:30,247 --> 01:05:34,647
getting into the next one. If I may chair Falcons.

926
01:05:34,647 --> 01:05:37,127
Yes. Thanks for judgment. So these are all great questions.

927
01:05:37,127 --> 01:05:40,407
And yes, we are in getting into the recommendations where

928
01:05:40,407 --> 01:05:42,247
the some of the detail. But I think it's really

929
01:05:42,268 --> 01:05:47,747
important to reinforce that you're asking really good questions. And

930
01:05:47,747 --> 01:05:51,527
the complexity of governance is that the layers. And layers

931
01:05:51,527 --> 01:05:55,487
of the degree to details like the questions about, we

932
01:05:55,487 --> 01:05:57,767
awaited votes and all of that. There's a time and

933
01:05:57,767 --> 01:06:00,167
place for those discussions. Right now we're at the very

934
01:06:00,207 --> 01:06:03,127
beginning. And we're looking at broader frameworks. And that's why

935
01:06:03,228 --> 01:06:06,167
legal frameworks knowing what they can and can't do is

936
01:06:06,207 --> 01:06:08,627
important. So if I may, I think that a lot

937
01:06:08,627 --> 01:06:10,807
of those questions can be answered. And if they can't

938
01:06:10,847 --> 01:06:14,007
be answered today, at least it'll be noted where in

939
01:06:14,007 --> 01:06:17,111
the process they will be appropriately answered. Thank you for

940
01:06:17,151 --> 01:06:19,991
the reminder. So, um, if, if we can reserve our

941
01:06:20,172 --> 01:06:25,035
questions right now. Uh, for clarification, the discussion questions are

942
01:06:25,075 --> 01:06:27,815
really, really juicy. And I think we need to, um,

943
01:06:28,096 --> 01:06:30,715
resurface those during discussions so we can get to the

944
01:06:30,736 --> 01:06:35,915
next presentation. But I do want to pin that one

945
01:06:36,016 --> 01:06:41,895
question from, from, uh, Dr. Carnesun about the scope, um,

946
01:06:42,096 --> 01:06:44,875
on the UID versus UDCV. I don't want to say

947
01:06:45,056 --> 01:06:49,435
verses. But defining what it is at this task force

948
01:06:49,475 --> 01:06:53,355
really needs to hone home in on, um, and understanding,

949
01:06:53,355 --> 01:06:57,675
you know, how big or how, how constrained that we

950
01:06:57,715 --> 01:07:00,075
need to. Yes, exactly. So I don't know if that

951
01:07:00,576 --> 01:07:02,875
we can table that for the discussion, but if you

952
01:07:02,875 --> 01:07:08,155
can return to the podium and address that, that would

953
01:07:08,155 --> 01:07:11,195
be great. Absolutely. Happy to. And again, the short answer

954
01:07:11,216 --> 01:07:14,075
is depending on the structure you choose. If you choose

955
01:07:14,176 --> 01:07:17,835
a joint powers agreement as a recommended structure, the JPA

956
01:07:17,875 --> 01:07:20,075
contract can do it all. Like it can tell you

957
01:07:20,736 --> 01:07:24,155
who's the principal act, what law are you following? What

958
01:07:24,155 --> 01:07:28,055
powers are you going to have or not have? Um,

959
01:07:28,256 --> 01:07:29,915
who are going to be the parties? How are you

960
01:07:29,915 --> 01:07:32,395
going to vote? How are you going to make decisions?

961
01:07:32,395 --> 01:07:34,955
All of that is laid out in the contract itself.

962
01:07:34,955 --> 01:07:37,595
Um, but I'll, um, I'll hand it over to Marty

963
01:07:37,635 --> 01:07:39,675
so she can get it. Thank you, Mr. Cho. Appreciate

964
01:07:40,096 --> 01:07:45,675
your presentation. Um, we do have our next, uh, presenter

965
01:07:47,216 --> 01:07:54,094
brimner, uh, from policy solutions. All right. Good morning task

966
01:07:54,094 --> 01:07:56,734
force members. I'm Jake Bremer. I'm one of the consultants

967
01:07:56,915 --> 01:07:59,854
helping support this project. Um, and what I'll be doing

968
01:07:59,875 --> 01:08:02,894
is providing an overview of some of the research that

969
01:08:02,934 --> 01:08:04,894
was in your background materials as it related to other

970
01:08:05,555 --> 01:08:08,414
models that we've seen across the country. We've been trying

971
01:08:08,454 --> 01:08:12,234
to research what we can learn from instances where, um,

972
01:08:12,435 --> 01:08:15,534
institutions have already come together around shared facilities or other

973
01:08:15,534 --> 01:08:20,094
ways of, um, expanding or extending resources through collaboration.

974
01:08:26,367 --> 01:08:29,786
And I'll just pull my slides first. Okay. Um, and

975
01:08:29,887 --> 01:08:32,906
actually I'm very appreciative that you just started this conversation

976
01:08:33,407 --> 01:08:36,186
because what we'll do here is actually now show through

977
01:08:36,186 --> 01:08:38,986
some of these case studies what shared decision making has

978
01:08:39,026 --> 01:08:42,106
looked like in these instances where you're bringing partners together,

979
01:08:42,106 --> 01:08:43,786
um, today I'm going to just have time to touch

980
01:08:43,786 --> 01:08:46,426
on three of the models that we researched. But what

981
01:08:46,426 --> 01:08:48,746
I thought I would do first is just give you

982
01:08:48,767 --> 01:08:51,226
a sense of the breath of the different models that

983
01:08:51,247 --> 01:08:54,826
exist across the country. There are models that differ in

984
01:08:54,826 --> 01:08:58,906
terms of their programmatic or their ultimate objectives, the kinds

985
01:08:58,906 --> 01:09:02,266
of students that they're serving, the types of institutional partners

986
01:09:02,287 --> 01:09:05,066
that they're bringing together, whether a city is one of

987
01:09:05,066 --> 01:09:08,186
the active participants in that. And of course, that then

988
01:09:08,226 --> 01:09:10,986
suggests different legal structures. So you just heard from Adriana

989
01:09:11,026 --> 01:09:13,066
about what those look like. We have almost all of

990
01:09:13,066 --> 01:09:16,186
those, um, represented here in terms of the examples that

991
01:09:16,226 --> 01:09:18,986
we found nationally, um, and then what that means for

992
01:09:19,167 --> 01:09:22,566
their shared decision making structures, their board compositions, those all

993
01:09:22,566 --> 01:09:25,066
really very widely as well. One thing I will note

994
01:09:25,087 --> 01:09:28,186
as a disclaimer, there wasn't a JPA example that we

995
01:09:28,207 --> 01:09:31,466
found nationally. But with that being said, there are certainly

996
01:09:31,466 --> 01:09:34,746
examples of where local city has been a catalyst and

997
01:09:34,786 --> 01:09:37,146
has been a really active partner in making these kind

998
01:09:37,146 --> 01:09:40,666
of projects happen and staying involved as the project matures.

999
01:09:41,523 --> 01:09:43,742
Um, so with that for the sake of time, I'll

1000
01:09:43,782 --> 01:09:46,142
just dive into one of those examples, um, of where

1001
01:09:46,243 --> 01:09:49,822
cities been really active in driving a project. In Denver,

1002
01:09:49,822 --> 01:09:52,382
Colorado. So in Denver, Colorado, you have an example of

1003
01:09:52,403 --> 01:09:55,742
where really for years, um, as I'm sure folks from

1004
01:09:55,782 --> 01:09:59,902
the city of Chulivistic can relate to, locally about the

1005
01:09:59,942 --> 01:10:04,302
benefits of bringing institutions together at a shared campus. There

1006
01:10:04,302 --> 01:10:06,622
were strategic proactive zoning and a neighborhood that had been

1007
01:10:06,643 --> 01:10:10,362
identified as really suitable for that kind of facility. And

1008
01:10:10,362 --> 01:10:13,902
ultimately through a combination of policy action at the local,

1009
01:10:13,902 --> 01:10:16,062
the state, and in this case, even the federal level,

1010
01:10:16,062 --> 01:10:19,102
um, they brought that, um, chip fruition in the 60s

1011
01:10:19,142 --> 01:10:22,942
and 70s. Um, ultimately after receiving those funds and local

1012
01:10:23,043 --> 01:10:26,142
bond measure that was approved, um, the state of Colorado

1013
01:10:26,483 --> 01:10:30,222
defined a statutory entity, which is the Aurora higher education

1014
01:10:30,243 --> 01:10:33,982
center that exists today. It brings together three different public

1015
01:10:34,083 --> 01:10:40,862
institutions, three different, um, campuses from various statewide higher education

1016
01:10:40,902 --> 01:10:46,542
systems. And this statutory, um, language also defined objectives for

1017
01:10:46,582 --> 01:10:49,262
what that collaboration would look like. So it required that

1018
01:10:49,283 --> 01:10:54,782
those institutions agree to aligning their calendars agreed to coordinating

1019
01:10:54,822 --> 01:10:57,502
on scheduling things that really have a material impact on

1020
01:10:57,603 --> 01:11:00,942
the student experience, particularly when you have a community college

1021
01:11:01,043 --> 01:11:03,182
and students that are working to transfer from the two

1022
01:11:03,203 --> 01:11:06,795
gear to the four years that have space there. Colorado

1023
01:11:07,056 --> 01:11:10,555
state law also defined the governing board. Um, that governing

1024
01:11:10,595 --> 01:11:13,515
board's composed of the three CEOs for each of those

1025
01:11:13,616 --> 01:11:17,515
institutions. And then each of the gut statewide governing boards

1026
01:11:17,536 --> 01:11:21,755
has one appointee that serves on the board for the

1027
01:11:21,795 --> 01:11:26,155
Aurora Higher Education Center. Students and faculty each have one

1028
01:11:26,256 --> 01:11:30,075
representative. So the committee that includes faculty and students from

1029
01:11:30,115 --> 01:11:33,435
across the three institutions, each of those committees name one

1030
01:11:33,616 --> 01:11:37,275
representative for their constituency that serves on the governing board.

1031
01:11:37,275 --> 01:11:39,095
There is actually ledge to the earlier comment. There was

1032
01:11:39,095 --> 01:11:42,075
legislation that gave them a vote that didn't, um, they

1033
01:11:42,075 --> 01:11:45,195
didn't have one at first. Um, and then the governor

1034
01:11:45,235 --> 01:11:48,075
of Colorado has three appointees that serve on the board

1035
01:11:48,075 --> 01:11:51,255
as well. They have to be Denver area residents. Um,

1036
01:11:51,536 --> 01:11:55,035
to an earlier question that came up from Dr. Guede.

1037
01:11:55,035 --> 01:11:57,835
There is actually language in Colorado state law that addresses

1038
01:11:57,875 --> 01:12:02,075
how to resolve disputes with institutions and instances when the

1039
01:12:02,115 --> 01:12:05,275
same system, so the governing board appointee in the CEO

1040
01:12:06,016 --> 01:12:08,235
both have not voted in the majority on a decision

1041
01:12:08,275 --> 01:12:10,875
on the board. If there's this instance where you have

1042
01:12:10,875 --> 01:12:14,795
one institution that is really holding out from an action,

1043
01:12:14,795 --> 01:12:17,435
the majority of the gubernatorial appointees have to be an

1044
01:12:17,435 --> 01:12:21,112
agreement with that action for it to move forward. So,

1045
01:12:21,112 --> 01:12:23,032
um, some example here of what that can look like

1046
01:12:23,072 --> 01:12:26,792
when you have public institutions and this statutory entity defined

1047
01:12:26,813 --> 01:12:32,480
in Colorado law that's helping coordinate their efforts. Okay. So

1048
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,800
now to the other side of the spectrum, this is

1049
01:12:35,541 --> 01:12:38,800
a nonprofit consortium - based model just up the road

1050
01:12:38,901 --> 01:12:45,200
in Claremont. The Claremont College's consortium brings together seven separate

1051
01:12:45,381 --> 01:12:49,120
standalone institutions. They're all independent, but they allow for students

1052
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,400
to cross register across the institutions. Um, this is not

1053
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:55,520
only a consortium, but they've actually created their own nonprofit

1054
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,360
entity that holds land and provides services back to the

1055
01:12:59,621 --> 01:13:03,920
member institutions. They charge institutions based on a cost sharing

1056
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,640
formula that the board of the nonprofit itself develops. That

1057
01:13:08,901 --> 01:13:12,240
board does have three independent representatives that serve on the

1058
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,360
board. They are not affiliated with any of the institutions.

1059
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,560
But then each of the member institutions have two representatives

1060
01:13:18,581 --> 01:13:20,880
that serve on the board along with the CEO of

1061
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,440
the nonprofit itself, which is called the Claremont College Services.

1062
01:13:25,541 --> 01:13:29,600
Interestingly, the Claremont Colleges also have a constitution. Uh, this

1063
01:13:29,861 --> 01:13:33,520
constitution defines the scope of what the board can handle

1064
01:13:33,621 --> 01:13:36,640
versus what a council of presidents can handle. So a

1065
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,280
large majority of issues are actually resolved amongst the institutional

1066
01:13:39,781 --> 01:13:43,200
partners themselves, but there are reserved matters that are higher

1067
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,560
stakes. So issues around debt issues around land issues around

1068
01:13:46,661 --> 01:13:50,160
enrollment caps that are reserved for action by the full

1069
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,240
board of directors, the constitution for the colleges also defines

1070
01:13:55,061 --> 01:13:59,120
vote thresholds, um, it requires majority vote for some issues.

1071
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,160
And then on some of those more sensitive matters, it

1072
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,480
requires a super majority, two - thirds vote of all

1073
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,760
of the board members. And in some cases, even ratification

1074
01:14:07,861 --> 01:14:10,400
by the governing boards of each of the member institutions

1075
01:14:10,501 --> 01:14:14,160
themselves. So again, something like enrollment caps really sensitive for

1076
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:20,160
each of those member institutions when they're sharing space. So

1077
01:14:20,181 --> 01:14:22,720
now I'll go to my third and my last example

1078
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,360
here before I get to some conclusions from across this

1079
01:14:25,381 --> 01:14:29,280
research medical center of the Americas is a project out

1080
01:14:29,461 --> 01:14:32,800
in El Paso that the city was really active and

1081
01:14:32,901 --> 01:14:37,360
responsible for driving. In fact, the city had identified an

1082
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,280
area that already had some post - secondary educational institutions

1083
01:14:42,261 --> 01:14:46,960
or extension facilities, um, and healthcare facilities. And what it

1084
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,120
wanted to do was really grow that into something that

1085
01:14:49,141 --> 01:14:52,240
could serve the broader border community, but also could become

1086
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,160
an industry cluster. So not just, uh, access to hospitals

1087
01:14:56,181 --> 01:15:00,480
and to care, but biotech research, medical device design and

1088
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,280
manufacturing, things where there's already a lot of cross -

1089
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,120
border, um, trade that's involved. So the city, not only

1090
01:15:07,221 --> 01:15:10,800
zoned accordingly and identified this, um, part of its community

1091
01:15:11,301 --> 01:15:14,320
to facilitate this kind of development. But it found an

1092
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,640
external partner, um, what's now the MCA holding company and

1093
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,720
its nonprofit, the Enscape Foundation. It sold a fraction of

1094
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,800
the land. So not all of the land that's part

1095
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,800
of this broader district, but a small portion of it

1096
01:15:27,061 --> 01:15:30,460
sold the land to the holding company. It also, um,

1097
01:15:30,501 --> 01:15:34,640
committed to providing an annual appropriation through the city budget.

1098
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,800
It's about 2. 8 or 3 million dollars depending on

1099
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,260
the year. In exchange for this holding company structure, and

1100
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:43,280
I'll talk more about that in a moment, um, to

1101
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,360
commit to reaching certain deliverables, um, things like construction of

1102
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,840
this incubator space that's on the slide. This is called

1103
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,400
the Cardwell collaborative. It was one of the things that

1104
01:15:52,581 --> 01:15:54,960
this entity had to commit to constructing in order to

1105
01:15:55,621 --> 01:15:57,580
not only hold the land on which it's built, but

1106
01:15:57,580 --> 01:16:01,040
to receive this funding. The holding companies also responsible for

1107
01:16:01,461 --> 01:16:05,280
facilitating the development of the broader district and really through

1108
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,440
a coordination role with partners. It doesn't own that land

1109
01:16:07,701 --> 01:16:10,880
doesn't do the construction itself directly. But through these various

1110
01:16:11,141 --> 01:16:14,560
subsidiaries underneath the holding company, it's able to bring partners

1111
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,760
together and find out what they need in terms of

1112
01:16:16,981 --> 01:16:20,800
space and facilities. So one really interesting example, uh, one

1113
01:16:20,821 --> 01:16:24,520
of the subsidiaries is focused on facilitating biotech research. It

1114
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,600
actually has revenue generating capability that then can be reinvested

1115
01:16:27,701 --> 01:16:31,867
back into the project more broadly. Um, this governing board,

1116
01:16:31,867 --> 01:16:35,227
very different from the others that we, um, just highlighted.

1117
01:16:35,227 --> 01:16:38,747
This governing boards really composed of real estate development finance

1118
01:16:38,848 --> 01:16:43,627
and healthcare industry professionals. There are non - voting institutional

1119
01:16:43,648 --> 01:16:48,987
representatives from the city, from healthcare facilities, um, from educational

1120
01:16:49,168 --> 01:16:53,387
institutions, including their Mexican university counterpart on the other side

1121
01:16:53,408 --> 01:16:56,587
of the border and even a New Mexico state university

1122
01:16:56,608 --> 01:16:59,707
that does a lot of research partnerships with the center.

1123
01:17:01,962 --> 01:17:04,661
So now, um, just to conclude and let you get

1124
01:17:04,762 --> 01:17:06,741
back to your discussion about what this means for our

1125
01:17:06,762 --> 01:17:10,181
work here, um, shoe libista. Of course, as we heard

1126
01:17:10,221 --> 01:17:12,821
earlier, there isn't a single model that you can just

1127
01:17:12,922 --> 01:17:15,941
copy and paste into the unique context and the unique

1128
01:17:15,962 --> 01:17:19,381
opportunity that you have in true livista today. But I

1129
01:17:19,381 --> 01:17:21,861
think from these three examples, but certainly from the others

1130
01:17:21,861 --> 01:17:24,021
that we didn't have time to cover today, we can

1131
01:17:24,061 --> 01:17:26,821
learn a lot about the elements that we should be

1132
01:17:26,922 --> 01:17:30,181
considering for how we leverage this project to align with

1133
01:17:30,202 --> 01:17:33,221
community needs and to support students in the workforce in

1134
01:17:33,261 --> 01:17:36,901
South County and the cross - border community more broadly.

1135
01:17:36,901 --> 01:17:39,461
So at Aurorea and Claremont, we see that they really

1136
01:17:39,562 --> 01:17:42,821
have clarity of scope for the kinds of decisions that

1137
01:17:42,842 --> 01:17:46,821
are within the board's prerogative or other vehicles that might

1138
01:17:46,861 --> 01:17:51,781
allow the academic, institutional partners to work on those more

1139
01:17:51,821 --> 01:17:54,781
quickly or more nimbly or within existing governance structures, as

1140
01:17:54,781 --> 01:17:57,461
we heard earlier. So Claremont Colleges, think of those really

1141
01:17:57,482 --> 01:18:00,661
clear boundaries for issues that are for the board versus

1142
01:18:00,682 --> 01:18:04,261
issues that the council of presidents can take on. The

1143
01:18:04,282 --> 01:18:08,101
medical centers of the Americas, this interesting structure, this holding

1144
01:18:08,101 --> 01:18:13,781
company with nonprofit, programmatically focused subsidiaries really creates opportunities that

1145
01:18:13,802 --> 01:18:18,101
might not be available to other structures based on identifying

1146
01:18:18,202 --> 01:18:21,061
revenue and trying to help facilitate, bringing that into the

1147
01:18:21,061 --> 01:18:24,901
project, uh, Aurorea and MCA. What I wanted to note

1148
01:18:24,922 --> 01:18:27,541
here as well. And both of these instances, you had

1149
01:18:27,882 --> 01:18:31,861
policy action, not only investment, but statutory action in some

1150
01:18:31,901 --> 01:18:35,941
cases or defining terms of a contract agreement that really

1151
01:18:35,941 --> 01:18:38,661
allowed those local communities to define the goals for the

1152
01:18:38,661 --> 01:18:42,082
projects. And then finally, um, what you see across all

1153
01:18:42,122 --> 01:18:45,602
of these examples is the need to ensure there's a

1154
01:18:45,642 --> 01:18:49,922
balance in centering, independent, um, voice and focus on the

1155
01:18:49,962 --> 01:18:52,562
good of the project and for what the project's doing

1156
01:18:52,602 --> 01:18:56,162
for the local community with that institutional input. And there

1157
01:18:56,162 --> 01:18:58,082
are different ways of doing that, whether that's through looking

1158
01:18:58,122 --> 01:19:01,362
at board composition, looking at other vehicles. We'll talk more

1159
01:19:01,362 --> 01:19:04,402
about in the recommendation section where you can facilitate that

1160
01:19:04,503 --> 01:19:08,562
conversation amongst the academic partners, um, while also still allowing

1161
01:19:08,743 --> 01:19:12,162
abort to have that prerogative oversight governance issues. Um, so

1162
01:19:12,663 --> 01:19:14,082
I'll leave it there for now so you can move

1163
01:19:14,082 --> 01:19:17,042
forward with your agenda, but certainly welcome any questions. Thank

1164
01:19:17,042 --> 01:19:22,795
you. Thank you. Any clarifying questions, Only. For Mr. Brimner.

1165
01:19:24,406 --> 01:19:30,741
Okay. Thank you very much. Next set of, uh, presentations

1166
01:19:30,762 --> 01:19:34,901
on the Binance Roundtable report, Dr. Joel Pilco, director of

1167
01:19:35,162 --> 01:19:39,301
Binance and International Programs for Southwestern College, as well as

1168
01:19:39,402 --> 01:19:44,501
Dr. Carlos Garcia, whose vice president of institutional relations at

1169
01:19:44,602 --> 01:19:49,937
Cetis University. Good morning. Buenos días. Thank you for the

1170
01:19:49,958 --> 01:19:53,057
opportunity to speak before this task force. Before we get

1171
01:19:53,057 --> 01:19:57,497
into our recommendations from the Binance National Roundtime tables, I

1172
01:19:57,497 --> 01:20:03,051
want to show something with you. Between 96 and 97.

1173
01:20:03,653 --> 01:20:06,032
Of non - time ago, our student, as I was

1174
01:20:06,072 --> 01:20:09,582
from college. And to continue my education, I have to

1175
01:20:09,582 --> 01:20:12,847
move. Out of this area. At the time I lived

1176
01:20:12,887 --> 01:20:17,327
in parabox actually. And my parents lived at the end

1177
01:20:17,367 --> 01:20:20,842
of Palmar Street. I didn't have the opportunity to continue

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01:20:20,882 --> 01:20:25,882
my education here. And today I serve as students who

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01:20:26,063 --> 01:20:29,702
are making the same decisions. So the work that you're

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01:20:29,702 --> 01:20:34,342
doing in creating this opportunities is applaudable. And thank you

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01:20:34,443 --> 01:20:37,302
for doing that for our thousands of students who need

1182
01:20:37,302 --> 01:20:42,347
to make those decisions. My coagulacia were asked to share

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01:20:42,848 --> 01:20:47,147
the recommendations from the Binance tables. And before I do

1184
01:20:47,187 --> 01:20:50,187
that, I want to share with you what's happening in

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01:20:50,208 --> 01:20:53,141
the binational region already. And I can tell you that

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01:20:53,402 --> 01:20:57,540
we've been very busy. Universities on both sides of the

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01:20:57,540 --> 01:21:02,673
border, we've been working on three very specific pillars. Access,

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01:21:02,694 --> 01:21:08,033
mobility, and belonging. Access through programs such as AB 91,

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01:21:08,033 --> 01:21:11,553
which we're going to discuss later. We've been working on

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01:21:11,894 --> 01:21:16,833
MOUs. We've been working on different options to give the

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01:21:16,833 --> 01:21:19,793
students the opportunity to study in both sides of the

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01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:23,393
border. Typically, it's through an exchange program. Typically, those type

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01:21:23,433 --> 01:21:26,193
of activities. As that's being working great. And I think

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01:21:26,193 --> 01:21:28,233
we've been doing a lot more than that, such as

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01:21:28,294 --> 01:21:32,193
conferences like the reboarder conference by San Diego State University.

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01:21:33,390 --> 01:21:37,129
The other element that we are really concentrating on is

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01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:41,063
mobility. What does it mean for the student who lives

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01:21:41,084 --> 01:21:45,125
across the border to cross every single day. And have

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to come to school. Likely that is working. Since April

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01:21:49,848 --> 01:21:55,987
this year, through our collaboration that includes US customs and

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01:21:56,008 --> 01:22:00,627
border protection, cells in college, San Diego is the university.

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01:22:00,627 --> 01:22:04,947
And you see San Diego, lane for students at the

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01:22:04,987 --> 01:22:10,680
San Isidro and Otay Border for entries. That lane saves

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01:22:10,701 --> 01:22:15,170
students hundreds of hours every year. They're crossing the border

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01:22:16,151 --> 01:22:19,330
in 10 to 15 minutes instead of two, three, four

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01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:21,463
hours every day. But I want you to think about

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01:22:21,564 --> 01:22:26,991
that. We did a math. Student is saving 380 plus

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01:22:27,092 --> 01:22:31,558
hours in two semesters by using that lane. That is

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01:22:31,739 --> 01:22:35,909
16 days of life giving back to the student. What

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01:22:35,949 --> 01:22:39,495
will you do with that time. Our students are studying

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01:22:39,535 --> 01:22:45,403
more, spending time with family. Sleeping a little more, probably.

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01:22:45,584 --> 01:22:48,283
That comes to write. So that's what we're doing in

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01:22:48,283 --> 01:22:52,123
terms of mobility. Southwestern college has been partnered with settings

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01:22:52,123 --> 01:22:55,003
to teach our courses in Tijuana. So the students don't

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01:22:55,003 --> 01:22:57,163
have to cross the border. We're doing a lot of

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01:22:57,504 --> 01:22:59,643
creative stuff to make sure that we meet the students

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01:23:00,064 --> 01:23:04,535
where they are. And lastly, belonging. In the last few

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01:23:04,575 --> 01:23:09,095
years, we have been very careful in giving the students

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01:23:09,436 --> 01:23:14,175
a sense of identity. By national students are bilingual, by

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01:23:14,175 --> 01:23:19,415
cultural. They have skills that are resilient, flexible. And they

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01:23:19,516 --> 01:23:22,055
truly understand what it means to cross the border, change

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01:23:22,156 --> 01:23:26,099
your mind completely. And behave the way we do things

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01:23:26,139 --> 01:23:28,499
in the US. And then at night, they go back

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01:23:28,499 --> 01:23:32,174
to Mexico to do so. But we've been doing this

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01:23:32,515 --> 01:23:36,494
in silence in a way. For instance, Southwestern had an

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01:23:36,515 --> 01:23:40,414
MMOU with cities. SDU has an MOU with who I

1227
01:23:40,414 --> 01:23:43,054
would say. And so on and so forth. And that's

1228
01:23:43,054 --> 01:23:47,583
been great. But we needed to come together to do

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01:23:47,623 --> 01:23:50,703
something even more meaningful for those students. And that is

1230
01:23:51,204 --> 01:23:56,303
the creation of the Kalibaha Higher Education Consortium, which since

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01:23:56,324 --> 01:23:59,663
December, 2025 is helping us have a space to have

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01:23:59,844 --> 01:24:03,263
this conversations altogether. And you asked why we're doing that.

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01:24:04,029 --> 01:24:06,248
Because we have data and some of it is on

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01:24:06,248 --> 01:24:09,608
the screen. Data that says that we need to produce

1235
01:24:10,429 --> 01:24:14,728
professionals in very specific areas right away. And that's what's

1236
01:24:14,768 --> 01:24:17,848
happening in the Binational region. And with the partnerships that

1237
01:24:17,848 --> 01:24:20,008
we have in right now. I'm going to invite my

1238
01:24:20,029 --> 01:24:23,208
partner here, Dr. Garcia, to speak about the first recommendation.

1239
01:24:29,793 --> 01:24:38,551
Thank you, Dr. Pilko. Morning, everyone. Um. Chair five com

1240
01:24:38,551 --> 01:24:42,791
members of the task force, higher education colleagues, committee partners

1241
01:24:43,532 --> 01:24:45,991
and members of the public. Thank you for being here

1242
01:24:46,652 --> 01:24:50,471
and for being part of this important conversation. The question

1243
01:24:50,492 --> 01:24:56,151
before us today is the one that was stated in

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01:24:56,151 --> 01:25:04,951
the invitation for this meeting. How should the universities show

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01:25:04,991 --> 01:25:07,351
the base to be governed as it develops from vision

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01:25:07,372 --> 01:25:12,551
to reality? That question matters because UDC beam is intended

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01:25:12,652 --> 01:25:18,711
to expand educational opportunities strengthening economic mobility, prepare talent for

1248
01:25:18,812 --> 01:25:22,432
the careers of tomorrow. And build new by national education

1249
01:25:23,013 --> 01:25:26,753
research and workforce partnerships. I'm going to have some slides

1250
01:25:27,494 --> 01:25:30,273
on the screen. We're not necessarily going to delve into

1251
01:25:30,294 --> 01:25:32,593
them. Those are going to be left behind for you.

1252
01:25:32,593 --> 01:25:34,833
But I'm going to reference them as we move forward

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01:25:34,934 --> 01:25:42,290
with this presentation. Our governance recommendations do not begin with

1254
01:25:42,471 --> 01:25:45,810
a legal structure. They begin with a guiding document that

1255
01:25:45,991 --> 01:25:52,210
UDCB addition and design principles. That distinction is important. These

1256
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:57,506
principles are not academic. They are not abstract aspirations. They

1257
01:25:57,527 --> 01:26:01,346
were written to define the conditions that feature decisions on

1258
01:26:01,527 --> 01:26:06,786
land use, governance, financing, partnership and operations should make possible.

1259
01:26:07,367 --> 01:26:12,066
In other words, these principles give us a test. In

1260
01:26:12,106 --> 01:26:15,746
that test is as we move towards implementation, are we

1261
01:26:15,786 --> 01:26:19,826
actually building the institution that we set where we're going

1262
01:26:19,826 --> 01:26:27,870
to build. This is how we approach the recommendations. If

1263
01:26:27,971 --> 01:26:31,390
EDCB is indeed to be a friction - free by

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01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:38,030
national by design adaptive and accountable financially sustainable and become

1265
01:26:38,371 --> 01:26:42,350
an ecosystem of partners, then its governance must create the

1266
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:47,438
capacity to deliver on those outcomes. The recommendations are therefore

1267
01:26:48,259 --> 01:26:52,679
not a separate technical exercise. They are the implementation pathway

1268
01:26:52,780 --> 01:27:02,083
for the principles of this operating institution. One recommendation, it's

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01:27:02,184 --> 01:27:06,602
specifically important to UDCBs by national identity. The creation of

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01:27:06,943 --> 01:27:11,973
a nonprofit organization that complements the joint powered authority. The

1271
01:27:12,013 --> 01:27:17,253
JPA provides the public vehicle for land capital infrastructure and

1272
01:27:17,253 --> 01:27:22,975
public accountability. The nonprofit creates a durable place for partner

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01:27:22,996 --> 01:27:30,664
participation, including meaningful participation by Mexican higher education institutions. The

1274
01:27:30,664 --> 01:27:36,584
reason for using both structures, its practical. One structure does

1275
01:27:36,624 --> 01:27:41,490
not do both jobs equally well. At California JPA is

1276
01:27:41,530 --> 01:27:45,162
well suited to public stewardship and financing. But it's not

1277
01:27:45,202 --> 01:27:49,402
designed to sit Mexican public universities as full governance partners.

1278
01:27:50,416 --> 01:27:54,395
A US nonprofit can provide that form of boys while

1279
01:27:54,496 --> 01:28:00,795
also supporting philanthropy industry engagement and continuity across changing administrations.

1280
01:28:01,877 --> 01:28:06,145
Last. So the nonprofit should not be considered as an

1281
01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:08,685
atom. It should be looked at as one of the

1282
01:28:08,726 --> 01:28:13,025
mechanisms that allows you to see being to become what

1283
01:28:13,046 --> 01:28:18,385
its own principles describe, binational by design built as an

1284
01:28:18,425 --> 01:28:23,585
ecosystem of partners and capable of reducing barriers rather than

1285
01:28:23,766 --> 01:28:27,760
creating new ones. We are still in the information and

1286
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:32,400
learning stages. We do not need or to address nor

1287
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,960
do we have the answers for every single governance question

1288
01:28:35,221 --> 01:28:37,763
or detailed today. But we can start to move forward

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01:28:38,264 --> 01:28:41,523
in creating the architecture that allows the mission to become

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01:28:41,563 --> 01:28:49,268
real. And that preserves the distinction by national character. From

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01:28:49,308 --> 01:28:55,822
the beginning. Thank you very much. The second recommendation from

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01:28:56,163 --> 01:28:59,902
the Binational Roundtable has to do with, if I can

1293
01:28:59,902 --> 01:29:08,939
go back to the other slides, please. Recommend from this

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01:29:08,939 --> 01:29:14,322
group is to establish our national hub or center. Within

1295
01:29:14,343 --> 01:29:20,245
the University District of Visa Institutional Framework. Thank you.

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01:29:28,683 --> 01:29:32,262
Our recommendation is that the governance entity identifies our national

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01:29:32,283 --> 01:29:37,062
hub or center as an infrastructure requirement for the university

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01:29:37,102 --> 01:29:41,073
district. It should serve as a non - profit operational

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01:29:41,094 --> 01:29:43,633
home. And the one - stop shop through which a

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01:29:43,633 --> 01:29:48,199
students can access coordinated services. These entities, this space, this

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01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:50,599
building, whatever it will be, it will have the task

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01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:56,325
to coordinate activities to develop policy. To develop partnerships not

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01:29:56,325 --> 01:29:59,765
only between the are participating in institutions, but also outside

1304
01:30:00,426 --> 01:30:05,045
workforce development, philanthropy, community, all of them, but also to

1305
01:30:05,386 --> 01:30:10,728
share solutions, you know, between the estructure. Some of the

1306
01:30:10,829 --> 01:30:13,288
core cognitive functions that we found would be very important

1307
01:30:13,789 --> 01:30:20,755
for this space. Collaboration. Coordinated work between US and Mexican

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01:30:20,936 --> 01:30:27,250
institutions. Partnerships reach out to workforce development entities, preach out

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01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:31,383
to the industry and philanthropy. How they understand what we're

1310
01:30:31,383 --> 01:30:35,223
trying to do. Remote barriers that can be legal policy

1311
01:30:35,564 --> 01:30:43,081
administrative or administrative institutional obstacles. Also to continue working on

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01:30:43,262 --> 01:30:47,641
access for these students. And finally, to define a priorities

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01:30:48,622 --> 01:30:51,561
that the whole organization is going to have. But I

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01:30:51,601 --> 01:30:54,841
won't speak a little bit about how we look like

1315
01:30:54,881 --> 01:30:57,401
for the students. I think we're trying to do something

1316
01:30:57,502 --> 01:31:01,408
different here. How would it look like if a binational

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01:31:01,429 --> 01:31:06,528
student truly goes to a place where all these services

1318
01:31:06,568 --> 01:31:09,773
will be available. Think about it this way. You have

1319
01:31:10,274 --> 01:31:15,440
many universities there. With representatives. The information in one place.

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01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:18,300
You have by national partners, you have research institutes. You

1321
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:21,280
have workforce partners in the same building. And the student

1322
01:31:21,301 --> 01:31:23,760
has the opportunity to get information from each one of

1323
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:30,651
them. Including translation services. For an credential evaluations, financial assistance,

1324
01:31:30,651 --> 01:31:33,291
based on immigration support, a clinical advising and so on

1325
01:31:33,312 --> 01:31:36,548
and so forth, you can see on the screen. This

1326
01:31:36,548 --> 01:31:41,392
concept has never been implemented before from a Binance. And

1327
01:31:41,432 --> 01:31:44,192
we truly believe that if we're going to do something

1328
01:31:44,293 --> 01:31:48,192
different with this project, we've got to take into consideration

1329
01:31:48,232 --> 01:31:51,472
that these students need clear information from the get -

1330
01:31:51,472 --> 01:31:54,352
go. And as I mentioned in my opening, I think

1331
01:31:55,013 --> 01:31:58,512
they by natural round table clearly understands that we need

1332
01:31:58,512 --> 01:32:01,632
to meet students where they are. And that is our

1333
01:32:01,733 --> 01:32:10,200
second recommendation. Our last recommendation has to do with. The

1334
01:32:10,221 --> 01:32:15,800
establishment of a limited AV91 pilot for the eligible public

1335
01:32:16,541 --> 01:32:20,926
hiring institutions that are part of the UDCV. If you're

1336
01:32:20,926 --> 01:32:25,486
not familiar with AD91, it is California legislation that allows

1337
01:32:25,827 --> 01:32:29,608
students who live in the border region. To enroll in

1338
01:32:29,709 --> 01:32:34,488
community colleges in San Diego and Peter Counties, pain in

1339
01:32:34,528 --> 01:32:37,928
- state traditional rates. Earlier today through a comment, it

1340
01:32:38,029 --> 01:32:41,528
was mentioned that there are about 30, 000 US citizens

1341
01:32:42,109 --> 01:32:47,928
living in Tijuana and attending public primary and secularing schools

1342
01:32:47,968 --> 01:32:50,848
in Tijuana. That number can be higher than that. It

1343
01:32:50,848 --> 01:32:56,820
could be 45, 065, 000. Those students before 891 didn't

1344
01:32:56,841 --> 01:33:00,500
have the opportunity to enroll in community colleges and pay

1345
01:33:00,601 --> 01:33:03,300
in - state tuition fees. Therefore, there didn't go to

1346
01:33:03,340 --> 01:33:07,651
school. Twin implementation of A - 1991 in the last

1347
01:33:07,832 --> 01:33:11,171
three years at Southwestern College. We have been able to

1348
01:33:11,432 --> 01:33:14,938
really change that. Sorry, that's my time on the first

1349
01:33:14,938 --> 01:33:17,878
one. We have been able to really change that. And

1350
01:33:17,878 --> 01:33:19,818
in the last three years, as you can see on

1351
01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:25,178
the screen, we have been able to enroll over 300

1352
01:33:25,178 --> 01:33:30,031
students. These semester, we just started this week. We have

1353
01:33:30,772 --> 01:33:35,231
358 students in the AB 91 program. And guess what?

1354
01:33:42,612 --> 01:33:46,911
So the order 30, 045, 000 who are in the

1355
01:33:46,932 --> 01:33:49,871
public system in Tijuana. Guess what they're going to do?

1356
01:33:50,329 --> 01:33:52,927
They're going to come to us. And we need to

1357
01:33:52,948 --> 01:33:56,927
be ready for that. This is students are very well

1358
01:33:56,948 --> 01:34:00,747
connected. With their workforce needs of the region. You can

1359
01:34:00,848 --> 01:34:05,947
see snapshot here as a full 2025 of the mergers

1360
01:34:06,048 --> 01:34:11,551
these students are pursuing. And the top stem. One of

1361
01:34:11,591 --> 01:34:15,631
the intents of the legislation was to promote STEM education.

1362
01:34:15,631 --> 01:34:17,941
And there you go. That's what they want. And that's

1363
01:34:18,122 --> 01:34:22,421
what they're going to go to working. But more interestingly,

1364
01:34:22,682 --> 01:34:28,941
this student's academic performance. It's outstanding. The persistence rate from

1365
01:34:29,602 --> 01:34:34,340
fall to spring. Was over 94 percent, which is much

1366
01:34:34,441 --> 01:34:42,988
higher. Than the general student population at Southwest and College.

1367
01:34:43,249 --> 01:34:48,664
The course completional rates were also. Well, we don't know.

1368
01:34:49,878 --> 01:34:52,737
But we know that these students are truly commuted and

1369
01:34:52,758 --> 01:34:58,582
resilient. What's happening today is that at some point, there's

1370
01:34:58,582 --> 01:35:03,313
an enrollment cliff. You have these hundreds of students about

1371
01:35:03,654 --> 01:35:08,193
400 servers in college. Maybe 80, 100 at mesa college.

1372
01:35:08,233 --> 01:35:13,073
Another 50 200 at Imperial Valley College who are going

1373
01:35:13,073 --> 01:35:16,142
to continue their education with us. But they're going to

1374
01:35:16,443 --> 01:35:18,662
point that they're going to be able to go to

1375
01:35:18,763 --> 01:35:22,582
a state university because they do not feed the requirements

1376
01:35:22,622 --> 01:35:25,702
for in - state tuition. That's why it's so important

1377
01:35:26,603 --> 01:35:31,302
for these task force to consider to please consider something

1378
01:35:31,323 --> 01:35:34,956
similar to AB 91 from the get - go. We

1379
01:35:35,217 --> 01:35:41,036
as the task force to establish the decision - making

1380
01:35:41,057 --> 01:35:44,490
process. So whoever sits on these non - profit JPA

1381
01:35:45,311 --> 01:35:48,730
is able to push forward legislation that is going to

1382
01:35:49,471 --> 01:35:53,510
help by national students attend colleges and universities in the

1383
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:56,970
US. And now we conclude the recommendations from the round

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01:35:57,010 --> 01:36:02,833
tables. Thank you. Thank you, doctors Buchl and Garcia. Are

1385
01:36:02,873 --> 01:36:09,921
there any clarifying questions from members. Okay. Seeing none, thank

1386
01:36:09,921 --> 01:36:14,001
you. Um, I do not see any additional requests to

1387
01:36:14,041 --> 01:36:16,401
speak from the public. So we are going to move

1388
01:36:16,502 --> 01:36:21,361
on to the action items overview of state governance recommendations

1389
01:36:22,102 --> 01:36:27,121
and calling back up Marty Alvarado. Okay. Let's get into

1390
01:36:27,222 --> 01:36:31,101
it. Um. Excited to jump into the recommendations. You've heard

1391
01:36:31,141 --> 01:36:34,701
a lot of content today that provides some framing for

1392
01:36:35,522 --> 01:36:38,461
the recommendations and the different governance vehicles. I also want

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01:36:38,461 --> 01:36:42,221
to thank our Binational Partners for making that connection between,

1394
01:36:42,221 --> 01:36:46,221
um, the, uh, vision mission and defining characteristics. I could

1395
01:36:46,221 --> 01:36:48,941
not have done it better myself. Uh, in terms of

1396
01:36:49,922 --> 01:36:53,261
really trying to make sure that our governance recommendations land

1397
01:36:53,301 --> 01:36:56,221
and finance recommendations down the road really are bringing that

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01:36:56,242 --> 01:36:59,181
vision to life and or setting the path for bringing

1399
01:36:59,282 --> 01:37:02,681
that vision to light, uh, to life, excuse me. And

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01:37:02,681 --> 01:37:06,381
really, uh, centering students, uh, and the community as we

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01:37:07,442 --> 01:37:11,501
as this body is making recommendations going forward. So I'm

1402
01:37:11,501 --> 01:37:14,461
going to jump right into and try to move quickly

1403
01:37:14,562 --> 01:37:18,581
here, uh, so question to make room for questions. So

1404
01:37:18,882 --> 01:37:22,861
as we were developing the recommendations, the draft, very draft,

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01:37:22,861 --> 01:37:25,741
something for you to engage with, uh, push back, provide

1406
01:37:25,781 --> 01:37:29,021
feedback, uh, on this is that we, we really wanted

1407
01:37:29,061 --> 01:37:31,581
to make sure that we're operating from a common framework

1408
01:37:31,762 --> 01:37:34,221
or a common place of reference. And so there are

1409
01:37:34,242 --> 01:37:37,101
three elements that we wanted to walk through, uh, the

1410
01:37:37,101 --> 01:37:41,501
governance baseline, the maturity arc and two parallel tracks. So

1411
01:37:42,002 --> 01:37:47,021
first, um, the governance baseline, again, I'm going to move

1412
01:37:47,021 --> 01:37:50,381
quickly. These are three reference concepts. Let me back up

1413
01:37:50,482 --> 01:37:54,221
three reference concepts. First, when we are talking about governance,

1414
01:37:54,242 --> 01:37:56,781
what are we talking about? What does that mean? Because

1415
01:37:56,882 --> 01:37:59,581
we hear a lot around decision making, but decision making

1416
01:37:59,621 --> 01:38:03,021
is very nuanced at very specific to the decisions that

1417
01:38:03,042 --> 01:38:05,901
need to be made. And those are many and complex

1418
01:38:06,162 --> 01:38:08,781
given some of the earlier conversation around who gets to

1419
01:38:08,802 --> 01:38:11,021
decide what is this going to look like. Right. So

1420
01:38:11,122 --> 01:38:15,021
as this body is thinking about the recommendations in a

1421
01:38:15,042 --> 01:38:18,301
report that is really at this early stage, we have

1422
01:38:18,301 --> 01:38:19,981
to be thinking about what is it that we are

1423
01:38:20,021 --> 01:38:22,941
trying to construct and in service of what. And it

1424
01:38:23,202 --> 01:38:27,021
is in service of entities, organizations, bodies and vehicles that

1425
01:38:27,122 --> 01:38:32,036
will facilitate policy, procedure and direct practice. That's the goal

1426
01:38:32,076 --> 01:38:34,356
here. When we are thinking about governance, we are thinking

1427
01:38:34,396 --> 01:38:39,076
about vehicles, entities, organizations that will facilitate the creation of

1428
01:38:39,257 --> 01:38:44,576
policy, procedure, and practice. Think local policy. Little P, big

1429
01:38:44,576 --> 01:38:48,276
P, all of the P's in between policy procedure practice.

1430
01:38:48,276 --> 01:38:52,276
Okay. Uh, then we also wanted to get into the

1431
01:38:52,457 --> 01:38:55,956
organizational maturity framework. Since I mentioned it earlier, I'm going

1432
01:38:55,956 --> 01:38:58,436
to touch on it lightly here, but the goal of

1433
01:38:58,436 --> 01:39:02,036
this is to really help us situate where UDCV is

1434
01:39:02,377 --> 01:39:05,716
right now. Right. They are not at a mature operating

1435
01:39:05,737 --> 01:39:08,276
stage. They are very much at the concept stage trying

1436
01:39:08,276 --> 01:39:11,556
to move into formation. And so it's really about being

1437
01:39:11,596 --> 01:39:14,756
able to understand the sequencing of decisions and how this

1438
01:39:14,937 --> 01:39:18,836
group, uh, this task force is setting up the conditions

1439
01:39:18,857 --> 01:39:22,496
for those future decisions down the road. And so, uh,

1440
01:39:22,496 --> 01:39:26,356
what you see here are the, uh, this framework, this

1441
01:39:26,356 --> 01:39:28,836
stages of framework. So we are at the concept stage

1442
01:39:29,577 --> 01:39:32,436
really trying to position governance that moves the entity into

1443
01:39:32,476 --> 01:39:36,896
the formation stage where the actual legal governance structure, uh,

1444
01:39:36,896 --> 01:39:41,316
that policy, uh, procedure and practice decisions can begin to

1445
01:39:41,737 --> 01:39:44,676
be formulated. It will move into an emerging stage where

1446
01:39:44,777 --> 01:39:48,036
you actually begin to offer services for students and start

1447
01:39:48,057 --> 01:39:52,436
testing this with active participants in a more comprehensive, deliberate

1448
01:39:52,476 --> 01:39:57,156
way. Uh, sustainable, uh, where it is operationally stable and

1449
01:39:57,196 --> 01:40:01,076
financially, uh, diversified. And then we get into a mature

1450
01:40:01,097 --> 01:40:04,736
stage, really self - sustaining and focusing on evolution, uh,

1451
01:40:05,097 --> 01:40:08,516
and maintaining relevancy. I think it's valuable to note for

1452
01:40:08,556 --> 01:40:12,756
this body that as we were researching organizational maturity frameworks

1453
01:40:12,796 --> 01:40:16,276
in order to bring you something today, um, we found

1454
01:40:16,297 --> 01:40:20,636
a lot for startups, for businesses, even for nonprofits, a

1455
01:40:20,636 --> 01:40:25,316
lot of research around organizational maturity within these types of

1456
01:40:25,417 --> 01:40:31,774
entities, companies, et cetera. There were almost none for higher

1457
01:40:31,814 --> 01:40:37,786
education. Right. We don't think about higher education as an

1458
01:40:37,786 --> 01:40:42,266
evolving, maturing organization and having this type of maturity arc.

1459
01:40:42,266 --> 01:40:44,826
We think of them as established. Right. Because they've been

1460
01:40:44,847 --> 01:40:47,386
around typically for so long. And so I think it's

1461
01:40:47,487 --> 01:40:50,666
really, really important for this body to be thinking about

1462
01:40:50,847 --> 01:40:54,346
that as you are creating something new. You are in

1463
01:40:54,346 --> 01:40:58,426
startup mode. Right. Honoring all the realities of the partner

1464
01:40:58,466 --> 01:41:01,066
organizations that are going to be coming to the table,

1465
01:41:01,066 --> 01:41:02,666
but really thinking about what does it look like for

1466
01:41:02,706 --> 01:41:06,346
us to create a governance structure for something that is

1467
01:41:06,386 --> 01:41:09,306
new that is going to be engaging these partners and

1468
01:41:09,306 --> 01:41:12,906
is going to go through this maturity arc, Organizational Maturity

1469
01:41:13,167 --> 01:41:15,866
Arc over its lifetime. Which again is not something that

1470
01:41:15,906 --> 01:41:19,226
we typically see and or is talked about within the

1471
01:41:19,407 --> 01:41:23,306
higher education realm, at least public higher education, maybe for

1472
01:41:23,487 --> 01:41:28,186
the for - profits. Um, so hence the maturity framework.

1473
01:41:28,186 --> 01:41:30,906
Uh, and then lastly, uh, the last concept that we

1474
01:41:30,946 --> 01:41:33,386
want you to hold as we dig into the recommendations

1475
01:41:33,567 --> 01:41:36,906
is really acknowledging and honoring that there are two parallel

1476
01:41:36,927 --> 01:41:41,146
tracks for governance. There is the land use and operations

1477
01:41:42,127 --> 01:41:46,426
and fund development capital building construction. All of those components.

1478
01:41:46,426 --> 01:41:49,706
And then the academic programming. And those are two separate

1479
01:41:49,727 --> 01:41:53,066
governance tracks because we wanted to deliberately account for what

1480
01:41:53,106 --> 01:41:56,346
was surfaced earlier that each of the academic programs and

1481
01:41:56,386 --> 01:41:58,666
institutions that will come to the table have their own

1482
01:41:58,767 --> 01:42:02,346
existing government structures have accreditation requirements. There's a whole different

1483
01:42:02,527 --> 01:42:05,466
layer to that that will need to be wrestled through,

1484
01:42:05,466 --> 01:42:10,486
which is distinct from capital development, uh, land development, all

1485
01:42:10,486 --> 01:42:12,586
of those pieces. So we just, we wanted to acknowledge

1486
01:42:12,626 --> 01:42:16,506
that and make sure that the government structure recommendations accounted

1487
01:42:16,506 --> 01:42:21,146
for those two parallel tracks operating simultaneously while also leaving

1488
01:42:21,247 --> 01:42:23,626
space for the maturity of the framework for those to

1489
01:42:23,626 --> 01:42:28,986
come together as needed going forward. Okay. Uh, so the

1490
01:42:29,567 --> 01:42:32,186
last thing we wanted to note is that what the

1491
01:42:32,287 --> 01:42:35,146
task force has to do today, uh, and going forward

1492
01:42:35,647 --> 01:42:37,226
is really think about what does it mean for your

1493
01:42:37,407 --> 01:42:40,666
governance structure to deliver what you need to date while

1494
01:42:40,666 --> 01:42:43,466
also being set up for what needs to come as

1495
01:42:43,466 --> 01:42:49,105
the enterprise matures. So what comes next. Okay. Uh, so

1496
01:42:49,526 --> 01:42:51,745
to get into the recommendations, you've heard a lot of

1497
01:42:51,766 --> 01:42:54,785
the reference points earlier. I'm not, I want to leave

1498
01:42:54,825 --> 01:42:57,505
time for comments and question. And so just very quickly

1499
01:42:57,926 --> 01:43:01,745
walking through these, uh, the recommendations, not in any particular

1500
01:43:01,926 --> 01:43:06,465
order, but certainly modestly sequenced, uh, the draft is that

1501
01:43:06,486 --> 01:43:09,905
we start with a JPA, as you heard earlier that

1502
01:43:09,945 --> 01:43:14,705
really sets the legal infrastructure for the enterprise, uh, provide

1503
01:43:14,705 --> 01:43:19,025
some grounding, uh, and brings preliminary partners to the table,

1504
01:43:19,025 --> 01:43:22,065
uh, the development of or the selection of a nonprofit

1505
01:43:22,246 --> 01:43:26,065
site organization as a recommendation really meant to, uh, at

1506
01:43:26,065 --> 01:43:29,345
least at this stage conceptually manage the day to day,

1507
01:43:29,345 --> 01:43:35,265
uh, allow for additional structures that facilitate, um, acquisition of,

1508
01:43:35,265 --> 01:43:39,725
let's say philanthropic dollars and other, uh, financing efforts, um,

1509
01:43:39,846 --> 01:43:44,145
we also included a recommendation around an academic advisory body.

1510
01:43:44,145 --> 01:43:46,865
So again, accounting for those parallel tracks, well, the first

1511
01:43:46,886 --> 01:43:50,945
two enterprises are really organized around the establishment of the

1512
01:43:51,126 --> 01:43:55,265
infrastructure. The academic advisory board is really about, uh, creating

1513
01:43:55,446 --> 01:43:58,305
the time and space for those decision points that need

1514
01:43:58,305 --> 01:44:02,225
to happen around the academic enterprise. Going back to the

1515
01:44:02,486 --> 01:44:05,825
vision document, really thinking about what are the conditions environments

1516
01:44:06,086 --> 01:44:09,425
and expectations if we were to, uh, lean into this

1517
01:44:10,086 --> 01:44:12,705
just - in - time lifelong learning infrastructure that we

1518
01:44:12,745 --> 01:44:16,785
are envisioning for our chill ofista residents. Uh, and then

1519
01:44:18,166 --> 01:44:21,345
fourth down the list, you see state authorizing legislation. We've

1520
01:44:21,366 --> 01:44:25,425
noted this as a potential future complementary track because at

1521
01:44:25,425 --> 01:44:28,945
this initial formation stage, it really is about setting up

1522
01:44:28,985 --> 01:44:34,305
the infrastructure and then figuring out if and where policy

1523
01:44:34,406 --> 01:44:37,465
state policy could actually be beneficial. Is it going to

1524
01:44:37,526 --> 01:44:42,145
secure additional dollars for the enterprise commitment from the state

1525
01:44:42,246 --> 01:44:46,865
for the enterprise that brings resources? Is it necessary for

1526
01:44:46,905 --> 01:44:50,705
the education partners to have flexibility for the types of,

1527
01:44:50,705 --> 01:44:52,945
uh, instruction that they might want to deliver or programming

1528
01:44:52,966 --> 01:44:55,105
that they might want to deliver at the site? So

1529
01:44:55,126 --> 01:44:57,745
what we're saying here and this recommendation is that that

1530
01:44:57,785 --> 01:45:01,585
is on the table for future consideration, not a bygone

1531
01:45:01,625 --> 01:45:04,225
conclusion at the initial stage. And that it really should

1532
01:45:04,265 --> 01:45:07,465
be benefiting the enterprise and the students intended to be

1533
01:45:07,465 --> 01:45:11,745
served through the enterprise, not just legislation for legislation's sake.

1534
01:45:11,745 --> 01:45:14,305
And then lastly, as we've talked about a lot today,

1535
01:45:14,326 --> 01:45:18,545
this recommendation around ensuring that there is equitable and meaningful

1536
01:45:18,806 --> 01:45:23,985
participation by national partners in the governance infrastructure that is

1537
01:45:24,025 --> 01:45:27,103
produced at the end or developed at the end. Decided

1538
01:45:27,143 --> 01:45:30,543
at the end. So what you see here is a,

1539
01:45:30,543 --> 01:45:33,663
um, I won't say a timeline, but sort of a

1540
01:45:34,484 --> 01:45:38,223
signaling of how we would envision this moving across that

1541
01:45:38,324 --> 01:45:43,563
organizational maturity framework arc. You'll see we've mentioned a few

1542
01:45:43,563 --> 01:45:46,223
times that we're at the conception stage that we're really

1543
01:45:46,223 --> 01:45:48,543
at the concept stage of this effort. And so you'll

1544
01:45:48,583 --> 01:45:52,463
see examples of items that are actively in progress during

1545
01:45:52,503 --> 01:45:56,663
this conception stage under state authorizing legislation, for example. We

1546
01:45:56,663 --> 01:46:00,783
have this task force that was comprised or pulled together

1547
01:46:00,804 --> 01:46:05,823
from legislation. Similarly under the academic advisory board, you'll see

1548
01:46:06,004 --> 01:46:08,943
examples of things like partner MOUs that we are anticipating

1549
01:46:09,284 --> 01:46:12,223
and have begun to move forward and different types of

1550
01:46:12,804 --> 01:46:15,743
efforts under the concept stage. What you see as we

1551
01:46:15,844 --> 01:46:18,943
transition into the formation stage. And again, know that these

1552
01:46:18,943 --> 01:46:22,063
are not hard and fast cutoffs. That this will be

1553
01:46:22,103 --> 01:46:25,663
evolving. It'll be fluid batooks in between. But we really

1554
01:46:25,703 --> 01:46:29,023
see that development of the joint powers authority, uh, the

1555
01:46:29,044 --> 01:46:33,103
establishment of the academic advisory board sort of happening early

1556
01:46:33,143 --> 01:46:37,103
on. And then the development of that nonprofit organization maturing

1557
01:46:37,124 --> 01:46:41,663
over the timeline of the enterprise, the full enterprise. You'll

1558
01:46:41,703 --> 01:46:44,783
see the gray areas we want to note. There continue

1559
01:46:44,783 --> 01:46:47,103
as needed. We don't know yet. Right. We don't know

1560
01:46:48,084 --> 01:46:50,303
when and how and if they will continue to be

1561
01:46:50,324 --> 01:46:52,943
needed and valuable for the enterprise. And so we have

1562
01:46:52,964 --> 01:46:57,103
flagged those as continuing as needed, uh, and then ongoing

1563
01:46:57,524 --> 01:47:00,783
across all stages is the Binational Partnership. So this gives

1564
01:47:00,823 --> 01:47:04,063
you an idea of how we sort of have been

1565
01:47:04,164 --> 01:47:08,383
conceptualizing how these recommendations would roll out as well as

1566
01:47:08,724 --> 01:47:12,383
interplay Bitchs in between. One last visual for those who

1567
01:47:12,423 --> 01:47:16,303
are visual learners or to make sense of the complexity

1568
01:47:16,343 --> 01:47:19,823
of these recommendations is really seeing these JPA nonprofits working

1569
01:47:19,844 --> 01:47:24,383
together at this initial stage, this advisory board, really feeding

1570
01:47:24,404 --> 01:47:29,983
into those enterprises. And, uh, the other two supporting and

1571
01:47:30,084 --> 01:47:33,879
caring through as we go. All right. I am going

1572
01:47:33,879 --> 01:47:40,965
to stop talking and invite questions, comments or concerns. Thank

1573
01:47:40,965 --> 01:47:43,765
you. Um, before we go to questions, are these presentations

1574
01:47:44,186 --> 01:47:46,485
going to be available to all of us? Okay. Thank

1575
01:47:46,485 --> 01:47:50,143
you. Okay. We have a question or comment from Dr.

1576
01:47:50,244 --> 01:47:59,376
Tong. I was reading, uh, the information we received before

1577
01:47:59,397 --> 01:48:05,196
the meeting. And this presentation is a little better. Uh,

1578
01:48:05,196 --> 01:48:09,376
I think, uh, then the languages that were there in

1579
01:48:09,416 --> 01:48:18,816
the PDF files, uh, on the academic advising board, languages,

1580
01:48:18,816 --> 01:48:23,471
were a little too broad and ambiguous. Right in terms

1581
01:48:23,471 --> 01:48:30,351
of partner institutions independence. And so, so as you know,

1582
01:48:31,572 --> 01:48:37,871
some of these will definitely conflict with, uh, our standards

1583
01:48:38,372 --> 01:48:44,511
and our, uh, faculty academic, uh, governance and sheer governance

1584
01:48:44,772 --> 01:48:47,711
and accreditation requirements, right? Right. So we have to make

1585
01:48:47,711 --> 01:48:53,931
sure that they're all, uh, pretty clear about that. You

1586
01:48:53,931 --> 01:49:02,393
know, he's each institution obviously have exclusive. Authority and everything

1587
01:49:03,214 --> 01:49:07,513
for research accreditation intellectual property, et cetera, et cetera. Right.

1588
01:49:07,614 --> 01:49:09,513
So, so I just want to make sure that in

1589
01:49:09,553 --> 01:49:13,193
the final language, we're pretty clear about those. Right. Absolutely.

1590
01:49:13,614 --> 01:49:16,793
Absolutely. And we recognize it was a lot of information

1591
01:49:17,134 --> 01:49:20,073
to hold. Right. What did the parallel tracks mean? What

1592
01:49:20,174 --> 01:49:22,713
is this maturity framework mean? And how do these things

1593
01:49:22,814 --> 01:49:25,113
come together? So through the slides, we were trying to

1594
01:49:25,153 --> 01:49:27,993
really visualize, create a visualization of how all of this

1595
01:49:28,494 --> 01:49:32,313
works together, uh, to create that vision for the future.

1596
01:49:32,734 --> 01:49:35,695
But thank you absolutely. We have a question or comment

1597
01:49:35,716 --> 01:49:40,926
from Dr. Moore. Thank you. And just to echo these

1598
01:49:40,966 --> 01:49:43,406
comments. And following up. And that's, I think the next

1599
01:49:43,427 --> 01:49:45,726
slide and also the previous slide, there was something about

1600
01:49:46,067 --> 01:49:51,966
the academic advisory board not having authority. I'm not sure

1601
01:49:52,006 --> 01:49:55,786
what that meant because it almost seems like the, um,

1602
01:49:55,987 --> 01:50:00,926
nonprofit could veto the recommendations of the academic advising board.

1603
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:03,646
Yeah. So this is a great call out because technically

1604
01:50:04,307 --> 01:50:06,766
legally. Let me say it that way. Legally. The advisory

1605
01:50:06,867 --> 01:50:10,686
board does not have legal standing to make decisions. In

1606
01:50:10,726 --> 01:50:13,886
these recommendations, and I'm not a lawyer, I do not

1607
01:50:13,886 --> 01:50:16,846
play one on TV. So I am only referencing here

1608
01:50:17,267 --> 01:50:19,966
that the JPA and the nonprofit are what carried legal

1609
01:50:20,006 --> 01:50:22,766
authority for the enterprise. And so this is why in

1610
01:50:22,806 --> 01:50:26,846
this next visual, what you see is the academic advisory

1611
01:50:26,867 --> 01:50:30,526
board providing recommendations to those entities. Uh, I want you

1612
01:50:30,526 --> 01:50:33,326
to keep in mind that, uh, we have the structure

1613
01:50:33,347 --> 01:50:35,726
for those two have not been set. And so the

1614
01:50:36,067 --> 01:50:39,486
extent to which, uh, institutions of higher education would be

1615
01:50:39,486 --> 01:50:42,206
represented on the JPA and others that some of the

1616
01:50:42,227 --> 01:50:45,566
safeguard that we are anticipating with the, uh, advisory board

1617
01:50:45,587 --> 01:50:52,081
providing recommendations. But it does not carry legal authority. Any

1618
01:50:52,102 --> 01:50:55,921
other questions? Yes. Clarification. It kind of builds on that

1619
01:50:55,961 --> 01:51:00,401
question as far as I'm aware the precludes us from

1620
01:51:00,441 --> 01:51:04,161
having overlapping membership amongst the different bodies so long as

1621
01:51:04,262 --> 01:51:08,218
they don't constitute a majority unless I'm mistaken. So that

1622
01:51:08,218 --> 01:51:09,578
might be a way for us to be able to

1623
01:51:09,759 --> 01:51:13,098
have some type of voice and safeguard across the different

1624
01:51:13,138 --> 01:51:23,101
bodies. Right. Correct. Okay. Got an affirm. Um, yes, member

1625
01:51:23,122 --> 01:51:28,655
anguillano. Thank you again for this framework. Um, I also

1626
01:51:28,756 --> 01:51:32,895
had to clarifying question on that academic advisory board. It's

1627
01:51:32,895 --> 01:51:35,135
in the write - up. It talks about the partnerships

1628
01:51:35,236 --> 01:51:38,575
with workforce development partners, corporate training. I think these are

1629
01:51:38,836 --> 01:51:44,140
really important components of the educational ecosystem. People need a

1630
01:51:44,140 --> 01:51:47,100
lot of different type of education, not one institution can

1631
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:49,900
meet the criteria over a lifetime of learning that we

1632
01:51:50,161 --> 01:51:54,380
are envisioning seeing, you know, as a future unfold, AI

1633
01:51:54,401 --> 01:51:58,380
is quicker. People need to be upskilled, reskilled moving up

1634
01:51:58,481 --> 01:52:03,110
in their careers, um, and so I'm just curious. When

1635
01:52:03,110 --> 01:52:08,630
we say academic advisory board, how much flexibility is that?

1636
01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:10,630
And then how does that, I'm just having trouble also

1637
01:52:10,651 --> 01:52:13,030
figuring out how that matches with the nonprofit and the

1638
01:52:13,070 --> 01:52:17,270
JPEs. This is a great question and goes back to,

1639
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:21,750
uh, I'll start with the vision mission defining characteristic document.

1640
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:24,230
As we were putting together the recommendations, we're also thinking

1641
01:52:24,230 --> 01:52:26,950
about what are some of the structures and, uh, the

1642
01:52:26,971 --> 01:52:31,030
signaling of the composition that is going to, um, uh,

1643
01:52:31,611 --> 01:52:34,390
invite and or meet that vision for the future of

1644
01:52:34,411 --> 01:52:37,670
this UDCV enterprise. Um, I think one of the things

1645
01:52:37,691 --> 01:52:42,550
that we wrestled with is terminology being accessible. So hence

1646
01:52:42,590 --> 01:52:46,870
the earlier conversation around adjusting learning sector to, uh, lifelong

1647
01:52:46,910 --> 01:52:50,390
learning infrastructure because it's accessible. So when we're talking academic

1648
01:52:50,411 --> 01:52:52,790
advisory board, we're really trying to signal through the language

1649
01:52:52,971 --> 01:52:56,550
that it is around the governance of the instruction or

1650
01:52:56,590 --> 01:53:02,950
the academic enterprise of the, um, UDCV. Um, however, an

1651
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:06,510
alignment with the vision mission defining characteristics, part of that

1652
01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:11,890
is really inviting in this more comprehensive concept of, uh,

1653
01:53:12,011 --> 01:53:16,310
academic and instruction and academic enterprise, I should say. Given

1654
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:19,510
that we are leaning towards lifelong learning. So ensuring that

1655
01:53:19,550 --> 01:53:22,950
there's be a access for the region while also inviting

1656
01:53:23,371 --> 01:53:27,650
enterprises and activities and structures that will actually facilitate, um,

1657
01:53:27,851 --> 01:53:32,610
this lifelong learning available resource. I think there's also, um,

1658
01:53:33,131 --> 01:53:36,150
this interplay with the land use component as well, because

1659
01:53:36,811 --> 01:53:41,190
you're creating a, um, trying to create an experience that

1660
01:53:41,291 --> 01:53:45,270
is equivalent and or as meaningful as a residential experience

1661
01:53:45,771 --> 01:53:50,230
without necessarily requiring the residential aspect of that. And so

1662
01:53:50,251 --> 01:53:53,750
how do you leverage that, uh, the utilization of space

1663
01:53:53,931 --> 01:53:57,110
that will look fundamentally different here on this enterprise than

1664
01:53:57,150 --> 01:53:59,430
we might see on a traditional campus. And so trying

1665
01:53:59,430 --> 01:54:03,350
to create space for in this advisory board, that thinking,

1666
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:08,030
um, across these various elements, not just how do we

1667
01:54:08,030 --> 01:54:12,390
pick up instruction that we've been doing elsewhere and replanted

1668
01:54:12,430 --> 01:54:17,602
here. Yeah, I'll just note that most of the research

1669
01:54:17,703 --> 01:54:20,962
is moving towards lifelong learning infrastructure. You have the research

1670
01:54:20,983 --> 01:54:24,882
from Stanford on the learning society. You have, um, the

1671
01:54:24,922 --> 01:54:29,602
UCs moving to UCLA for life, ASUs, learning enterprise. There

1672
01:54:29,602 --> 01:54:32,402
are a lot, a lot of research showing that institutions

1673
01:54:32,503 --> 01:54:36,702
need to be ensuring that they're serving the students, not

1674
01:54:36,702 --> 01:54:38,642
just at the beginning of their careers, but throughout their

1675
01:54:38,682 --> 01:54:40,882
career. So I really think that that's an important element

1676
01:54:40,903 --> 01:54:46,557
here. Great. Thank you. Any other clarifying questions? Yes. Dr.

1677
01:54:46,658 --> 01:54:51,609
Grove. So I wonder if there is the possibility in

1678
01:54:51,609 --> 01:54:54,089
the model of a nonprofit, which I think is really

1679
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:58,249
the direction we're going to, that, that some kind of

1680
01:54:58,670 --> 01:55:02,329
shared governance model can be implemented there. One would be

1681
01:55:02,369 --> 01:55:04,489
the academic side and the other one would be the

1682
01:55:04,750 --> 01:55:09,129
administrative side. That's certainly how the University of California and

1683
01:55:09,169 --> 01:55:14,620
the CSU is functions. And it would be very easy

1684
01:55:14,641 --> 01:55:18,380
to then say, uh, well, this is how we function.

1685
01:55:18,561 --> 01:55:22,140
Let's, we're, we're implementing the same model of shared governance.

1686
01:55:22,161 --> 01:55:24,540
I understand nonprofits and the fact that you have a

1687
01:55:24,641 --> 01:55:29,965
board. I don't think there's anything in nonprofit

1688
01:55:30,226 --> 01:55:39,910
legislating. Maybe I'm wrong. Two boards. Although I think

1689
01:55:40,571 --> 01:55:43,190
one board precedes the other. I don't remember all the

1690
01:55:43,211 --> 01:55:48,070
rules regarding the two board model with one above the

1691
01:55:48,110 --> 01:55:51,030
other. Or are they equals? But that really is how

1692
01:55:51,211 --> 01:55:54,610
shared governance functions in the UC system, for example. And

1693
01:55:54,731 --> 01:55:58,390
I think that instead of an academic advice, so did

1694
01:55:58,390 --> 01:56:00,790
you consider this. That's really the question and the clarification

1695
01:56:00,830 --> 01:56:03,350
that I wanted. Yeah. Uh, we did not. We did

1696
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:09,430
not consider implementing a shared governance infrastructure under the nonprofit.

1697
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:14,070
In large part because, uh, the nonprofit are starting assumption.

1698
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:15,670
Let me say this. We are starting assumption is that

1699
01:56:15,851 --> 01:56:20,375
the UDCV is not accredited. It's not an accredited entity

1700
01:56:20,396 --> 01:56:22,775
on its own that we would be pulling and leveraging

1701
01:56:22,956 --> 01:56:27,255
the accrediting, uh, the accreditation from the partner institutions that

1702
01:56:27,295 --> 01:56:30,135
will join. And so the shared governance enterprise really happens

1703
01:56:30,236 --> 01:56:35,255
at the institutions that are participating, not necessarily within the

1704
01:56:35,356 --> 01:56:39,415
UDCV infrastructure. And so that's, that was the starting assumption

1705
01:56:39,676 --> 01:56:43,095
for this. But this is also bringing up a really

1706
01:56:43,135 --> 01:56:45,255
important point that I want to make sure to highlight

1707
01:56:45,276 --> 01:56:48,935
here, which is that feedback form similar to the one

1708
01:56:48,975 --> 01:56:53,495
you receive for the vision mission, defining characteristics, uh, document

1709
01:56:53,535 --> 01:56:55,815
will be going out to all of you. So that

1710
01:56:55,815 --> 01:56:58,855
way you can continue to provide these types of feedback.

1711
01:56:58,855 --> 01:57:01,895
These are drafts. So this type of a request should

1712
01:57:01,935 --> 01:57:05,095
definitely continue to come in and we will continue to

1713
01:57:05,135 --> 01:57:10,174
look at those. Thank you. Any other questions? Yes. Dr.

1714
01:57:10,195 --> 01:57:17,896
I don't see Bye. And Dr. and Sivia, I don't

1715
01:57:17,896 --> 01:57:20,696
think your mic is on. Um, the nonprofit boards that

1716
01:57:20,696 --> 01:57:23,016
I've been a part of that are functional have been

1717
01:57:23,117 --> 01:57:27,098
very, very small. The larger that you get on profit

1718
01:57:27,098 --> 01:57:31,558
board, the less functional it gets. So I just, I'm

1719
01:57:31,558 --> 01:57:33,898
popping board. You should probably have five to seven people,

1720
01:57:33,898 --> 01:57:37,338
not more than that because it's just cumbersome in terms

1721
01:57:37,338 --> 01:57:40,058
of decision making. And when you go any further than

1722
01:57:40,098 --> 01:57:43,978
that, um, and I just, that's my, my, my two

1723
01:57:44,018 --> 01:57:47,258
sides. Regardless. The, the other thing I want to highlight

1724
01:57:47,439 --> 01:57:51,258
also is that again, going back to the maturity framework,

1725
01:57:51,258 --> 01:57:53,338
we're really at that formation stage and thinking about what

1726
01:57:53,378 --> 01:57:55,618
are those legal vehicles and entities that are going to

1727
01:57:55,919 --> 01:57:58,858
be needed to position the institution. I'm going to point

1728
01:57:58,858 --> 01:58:02,118
to the really valuable and important example of the, um,

1729
01:58:02,399 --> 01:58:06,298
the hub, the binational hub as an illustration of this.

1730
01:58:06,298 --> 01:58:08,538
Zero opinion on when we or another. But as an

1731
01:58:08,538 --> 01:58:12,458
example, part of the, um, part of the rationale for

1732
01:58:12,458 --> 01:58:15,498
the hub is that it doesn't currently exist, right? If

1733
01:58:15,519 --> 01:58:20,458
you decide to put together a nonprofit organization as this

1734
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:23,498
entity, it may be that that's part of their charter.

1735
01:58:23,498 --> 01:58:25,338
And so is it a hub or is it a

1736
01:58:25,359 --> 01:58:29,818
branch of, uh, the responsibilities of the nonprofit organization? Right.

1737
01:58:29,818 --> 01:58:32,858
So again, this is why we're trying to manage expectations

1738
01:58:32,879 --> 01:58:36,458
in the recommendations. We're, we're not so defined of you

1739
01:58:36,458 --> 01:58:38,458
have to build this thing, but you really have to

1740
01:58:38,559 --> 01:58:41,178
build the conditions in the legal structures that will actually

1741
01:58:41,439 --> 01:58:45,178
facilitate being able to get those things done in whatever

1742
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:48,218
form they take as this matures. So just as an

1743
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:55,814
illustration, no expectations, uh, opinion. Yes. Dr. Rakita. Thank you,

1744
01:58:55,854 --> 01:58:59,054
Chair Falcon. More of a comment. I really want to

1745
01:58:59,054 --> 01:59:01,494
say thank you to staff for having put together these

1746
01:59:01,494 --> 01:59:04,214
frameworks because I think it definitely helps move the conversation

1747
01:59:04,235 --> 01:59:07,494
forward and give this a real focused way of thinking

1748
01:59:07,515 --> 01:59:10,454
about the questions before us. I also just want to

1749
01:59:10,454 --> 01:59:12,934
invite all of us to be reminded that we all

1750
01:59:12,934 --> 01:59:16,694
have our, our own perspectives and experiences, but we truly

1751
01:59:16,734 --> 01:59:20,854
are building something that has not been built. Um, it's,

1752
01:59:20,854 --> 01:59:24,254
it's new. It's, it's innovative. And to a degree, I

1753
01:59:24,254 --> 01:59:26,614
think we all bring our experiences to build a better

1754
01:59:27,035 --> 01:59:30,374
experience, a better institution for all of us in our

1755
01:59:30,374 --> 01:59:32,454
community. But I think I would invite us to think

1756
01:59:32,494 --> 01:59:35,334
that a little bit differently because we all have our

1757
01:59:35,374 --> 01:59:38,614
experiences yet. We're building something different. A multi - institutional

1758
01:59:39,035 --> 01:59:42,854
university campus, uh, as we saw is fairly unique. It's,

1759
01:59:42,854 --> 01:59:48,134
it's not, uh, usually you have an established institution builds

1760
01:59:48,174 --> 01:59:51,654
a satellite and then the satellite dang becomes, and I'm

1761
01:59:51,675 --> 01:59:55,494
discussing the CSU San Marcos experience and other experiences. This

1762
01:59:55,534 --> 01:59:58,774
is not that. We're really building something different. And so

1763
01:59:58,795 --> 02:00:00,934
I would hope that we can think of a little

1764
02:00:00,934 --> 02:00:04,934
bit of a different, be open to different concepts as

1765
02:00:04,955 --> 02:00:08,934
we look at how we organize and structure this institution

1766
02:00:08,955 --> 02:00:13,154
that will truly be one location with multiple institutions. And

1767
02:00:13,154 --> 02:00:17,334
how do we build the right balance between central versus

1768
02:00:19,035 --> 02:00:21,614
university specific? So we have quite a task. I think

1769
02:00:21,835 --> 02:00:23,934
we're up to the question, but I do want to

1770
02:00:23,934 --> 02:00:29,282
say thank you. Yes. Thank you. Um, so we are

1771
02:00:29,322 --> 02:00:33,682
at the noon hour, um, just doing a time check

1772
02:00:33,722 --> 02:00:38,562
here. And we started getting into the discussions, um, this

1773
02:00:38,823 --> 02:00:43,522
is an action item, but I want to ask the

1774
02:00:43,703 --> 02:00:46,162
task force members if we have enough to make some

1775
02:00:46,162 --> 02:00:50,562
sort of action, um, I certainly want to open this

1776
02:00:50,583 --> 02:00:54,942
up to discussion. And so I guess that, you know,

1777
02:00:55,623 --> 02:00:58,722
as you are formulating your comments and questions, and I'm

1778
02:00:58,722 --> 02:01:03,122
not sure what, until what time we have, can staff

1779
02:01:04,583 --> 02:01:09,481
address how much time we have today. Um, I would

1780
02:01:09,582 --> 02:01:13,401
defer to the task force members, um, but I will

1781
02:01:13,441 --> 02:01:17,061
say that you will be receiving a Google doc, um,

1782
02:01:17,182 --> 02:01:19,461
after this meeting, like the last one. So you can

1783
02:01:19,461 --> 02:01:23,321
just online make your comments and send it directly to

1784
02:01:24,142 --> 02:01:28,521
Marty, um, for, for consideration. And, uh, we know that

1785
02:01:28,542 --> 02:01:31,081
we gave you a lot of to think about in

1786
02:01:31,121 --> 02:01:34,121
this meeting. So we didn't really anticipate that you're all

1787
02:01:34,121 --> 02:01:36,041
going to say, okay, let's march in the same direction

1788
02:01:36,462 --> 02:01:39,321
that you might need some time to process. And that's

1789
02:01:39,361 --> 02:01:44,281
totally acceptable. Um, you know, feel free to make any

1790
02:01:44,462 --> 02:01:48,041
comments about, you know, where you have questions now if

1791
02:01:48,041 --> 02:01:49,561
you'd like, but you can certainly do that on the

1792
02:01:49,582 --> 02:01:53,961
Google comment form. And that'll all be taken in consideration.

1793
02:01:53,961 --> 02:01:56,521
And then at our next meeting, similar to how we

1794
02:01:56,561 --> 02:01:59,961
did a recap for this meeting to join the meetings,

1795
02:01:59,961 --> 02:02:03,641
we will do a recap on the feedback and we'll

1796
02:02:03,641 --> 02:02:06,761
take that feedback and integrate it as best we can

1797
02:02:07,342 --> 02:02:10,281
and reserve a small portion of the next meeting to

1798
02:02:10,321 --> 02:02:14,121
really try to see if we're getting closer to consensus

1799
02:02:14,142 --> 02:02:17,177
on the direction that we want to take. Okay. Thank

1800
02:02:17,177 --> 02:02:20,257
you. I appreciate the opportunity to provide feedback. I think

1801
02:02:20,257 --> 02:02:24,297
there's, it seems like there's benefit to us, um, having

1802
02:02:24,318 --> 02:02:27,577
an open conversation, um, before we do that. And so

1803
02:02:27,918 --> 02:02:31,017
if, if I could ask for the indulgence of the

1804
02:02:31,118 --> 02:02:33,417
task force members to have a few more minutes for

1805
02:02:33,518 --> 02:02:38,617
discussion, have to make it to the airport. Okay. All

1806
02:02:38,617 --> 02:02:40,857
right. Well then Dr. Grava, thank you. And if you

1807
02:02:41,038 --> 02:02:46,057
have any comments before you leave, no. Okay. Thank you.

1808
02:02:47,175 --> 02:02:50,474
All right. Let's open it up for, for discussion. If

1809
02:02:50,474 --> 02:02:54,288
anybody has any comments. Or maybe you don't, maybe you

1810
02:02:54,328 --> 02:02:59,552
have recommendation. Yes. Dr. Encarnacion. Um, well, I want to

1811
02:02:59,552 --> 02:03:02,452
echo what Dr. Gary said that this is a lot

1812
02:03:02,653 --> 02:03:05,192
of work. And I want to thank staff because it's

1813
02:03:05,232 --> 02:03:08,472
layered upon layered. And trying to make sense of something

1814
02:03:08,573 --> 02:03:13,352
new that you're building as you're going is very difficult,

1815
02:03:13,352 --> 02:03:16,632
but you did it very well. Um, I do want

1816
02:03:16,632 --> 02:03:20,472
to go back to the question of whether our task

1817
02:03:20,573 --> 02:03:24,632
is to plan a recommendation around the governance entity for

1818
02:03:24,653 --> 02:03:27,512
phase one or the entire. Cause I think that changes

1819
02:03:27,552 --> 02:03:30,952
a lot of how we think about this. Um, the

1820
02:03:31,533 --> 02:03:35,012
consideration around an academic, I think the JPA and the

1821
02:03:35,012 --> 02:03:38,312
nonprofit is I'm here and I feel like it's kind

1822
02:03:38,312 --> 02:03:40,472
of where we're leaning to for what we're looking at.

1823
02:03:40,990 --> 02:03:43,209
But that changes a lot if we're doing phase one

1824
02:03:43,390 --> 02:03:49,289
versus the whole entity. And we've also talked about the

1825
02:03:49,550 --> 02:03:54,329
need for academic advisory board, but also how we really

1826
02:03:54,369 --> 02:03:58,329
see this as integrating for lifelong learning, whether you're skilling

1827
02:03:58,329 --> 02:04:03,449
up or whether you're recently graduated high school student or

1828
02:04:03,550 --> 02:04:07,929
you're a transfer for community college person who is community

1829
02:04:08,030 --> 02:04:11,209
invested. We were on a webinar and someone said it's

1830
02:04:11,209 --> 02:04:14,569
not placebound. It's somebody whose community invested. They're invested in

1831
02:04:14,569 --> 02:04:17,689
their community, right? They need to be in their community.

1832
02:04:17,689 --> 02:04:20,409
So your community invested student, but you want the same

1833
02:04:20,430 --> 02:04:25,769
opportunities. You deserve the same opportunities. Um, so do we

1834
02:04:25,769 --> 02:04:30,169
need to have just an academics on that advisory board?

1835
02:04:30,169 --> 02:04:32,889
Or should we have some industry partners that we would

1836
02:04:32,929 --> 02:04:36,489
want to be integrated with our academias so that we

1837
02:04:36,489 --> 02:04:39,769
know that we have paid internships that our students could

1838
02:04:39,809 --> 02:04:44,649
go, you know, seamlessly into maybe as they are also

1839
02:04:44,670 --> 02:04:48,729
learning and getting their degrees. So just something to consider

1840
02:04:49,230 --> 02:04:52,009
as well when we're thinking about all the different roles

1841
02:04:52,510 --> 02:04:56,409
that folks play who will be in this space. Because

1842
02:04:56,409 --> 02:04:59,529
in the end, we're here for our students, right? And

1843
02:04:59,529 --> 02:05:02,649
our community members and our lifelong learners, whatever and whoever

1844
02:05:02,750 --> 02:05:06,489
they are. Um, but again, going back to that, you

1845
02:05:06,489 --> 02:05:11,529
know, phase one or the entire, because over the decades,

1846
02:05:11,529 --> 02:05:14,089
I know I've been involved. And I know the city

1847
02:05:14,129 --> 02:05:16,169
has a vision. And I want to be very respectful

1848
02:05:16,350 --> 02:05:18,969
of the city's vision and their role. So yeah, I

1849
02:05:18,969 --> 02:05:21,049
think if, if I can help explain that a little

1850
02:05:21,049 --> 02:05:25,369
bit. So, um, we brought in the information about the

1851
02:05:25,409 --> 02:05:27,369
first phase of development because it gave us an idea

1852
02:05:27,630 --> 02:05:30,729
on the cost. And so that will help us when

1853
02:05:30,769 --> 02:05:34,329
we start having the conversation on financing, right? Um, because

1854
02:05:34,430 --> 02:05:36,729
we have a lot of unknowns and we don't really

1855
02:05:36,769 --> 02:05:39,849
have the partners at the table. We don't, the only

1856
02:05:39,849 --> 02:05:42,329
thing we know right now is what an initial phase

1857
02:05:42,369 --> 02:05:45,049
can look like and how much that would cost, including

1858
02:05:45,089 --> 02:05:49,209
the infrastructure. When you talk about governance first phase or

1859
02:05:49,209 --> 02:05:55,289
the university district, my answer is more of it's still

1860
02:05:55,289 --> 02:05:58,089
in this early phase of development. And that's what we

1861
02:05:58,129 --> 02:06:02,849
are planning for and recommending for. It's early phase. In

1862
02:06:02,849 --> 02:06:06,489
the future, it's really hard to plan for something where

1863
02:06:06,529 --> 02:06:09,209
we don't even have anything stood up. The partners aren't

1864
02:06:09,249 --> 02:06:12,649
at the table negotiating. I think what the government instruction

1865
02:06:12,670 --> 02:06:15,689
looks like in the beginning has to be flexible enough

1866
02:06:15,870 --> 02:06:18,889
for it to grow and evolve as well. But as

1867
02:06:18,910 --> 02:06:21,449
a task force, we should be thinking just that phase

1868
02:06:21,470 --> 02:06:26,169
one right now. Perfect. And with flexibility, obviously. Yeah. I

1869
02:06:26,169 --> 02:06:29,369
mean, it's, it's, I'm sorry. But it is early development,

1870
02:06:29,369 --> 02:06:31,209
right? I think we are planning for governance on the

1871
02:06:31,630 --> 02:06:38,009
university innovation district. The university district in general, again, I

1872
02:06:38,009 --> 02:06:40,889
think the first phase of development is just to give

1873
02:06:40,929 --> 02:06:43,929
us an idea on cost of, of what it would

1874
02:06:43,929 --> 02:06:45,689
be to develop a first site. But we are looking

1875
02:06:45,870 --> 02:06:48,969
at governance throughout. It's, it's one place at the end

1876
02:06:48,969 --> 02:06:52,089
of the day, um, but we are in this early

1877
02:06:52,430 --> 02:06:57,847
concept going into formation stage. Perfect. And chair Falcon circle

1878
02:06:57,847 --> 02:06:59,927
back to the item you put a pin in, which

1879
02:07:00,028 --> 02:07:03,207
kind of corresponds with this. I'm going to just read

1880
02:07:03,228 --> 02:07:06,247
straight from the, in terms of scope and what the

1881
02:07:06,268 --> 02:07:09,687
role of this task force is with respect to governance,

1882
02:07:09,687 --> 02:07:14,967
it's to identify and recommend potential governance structures for the

1883
02:07:15,308 --> 02:07:18,967
mixed use intersegmental educational facility, including but not limited to

1884
02:07:19,308 --> 02:07:23,767
consortia and other collaborative models. So really the role with

1885
02:07:23,788 --> 02:07:27,767
respect to the deliverable for next year is identify and

1886
02:07:27,868 --> 02:07:34,007
recommend potential government structures, not flesh them out, not identity,

1887
02:07:34,007 --> 02:07:36,327
you know, and then the next stages will be identified

1888
02:07:36,508 --> 02:07:42,087
potential funding mechanisms, potential partnerships. So it is again, at

1889
02:07:42,087 --> 02:07:45,927
the very early stage and the discussions about how it

1890
02:07:45,967 --> 02:07:49,607
would work functionally are for a later. And the sentence

1891
02:07:49,647 --> 02:07:52,647
above that was for the facility or the whole district.

1892
02:07:52,647 --> 02:07:55,127
Cause that's what I was asking is about the space.

1893
02:07:55,127 --> 02:07:58,087
So what did you said something about the space in

1894
02:07:58,087 --> 02:08:02,647
the first part of that? Well, part of the recommendations

1895
02:08:02,828 --> 02:08:07,367
are distinct, but the task force is established to do.

1896
02:08:07,367 --> 02:08:09,887
It does say at least all of the following. So

1897
02:08:10,428 --> 02:08:14,087
potentially you could go further, but Identify and recommend potential

1898
02:08:14,428 --> 02:08:20,167
governance structures for the mixed use intersegmental educational facility. Okay.

1899
02:08:20,167 --> 02:08:22,167
That was the part that I was asking about. Yeah.

1900
02:08:22,167 --> 02:08:25,521
Thank you. For the facility. Thank you. Member on Guiana

1901
02:08:25,521 --> 02:08:29,006
has a question. More of a comment. I think it

1902
02:08:29,027 --> 02:08:32,366
is really important that we understand the full scope. It's

1903
02:08:32,387 --> 02:08:34,766
like building a house. You can't. How do you build

1904
02:08:34,787 --> 02:08:36,526
a foundation if you don't know the size of the

1905
02:08:36,566 --> 02:08:38,926
house? Like you're going to build things that are not

1906
02:08:39,027 --> 02:08:41,166
appropriate for the size and scope. So I do think

1907
02:08:41,187 --> 02:08:45,006
we need to consider the overall vision and site as

1908
02:08:45,006 --> 02:08:48,092
we develop, you know, the first phase. Thank you for

1909
02:08:48,132 --> 02:08:53,436
that. Any other comments, questions. The only other request I

1910
02:08:53,476 --> 02:08:55,996
would have is as we get the feedback from the

1911
02:08:56,017 --> 02:08:59,276
surveys, it would be really helpful. I think not just

1912
02:08:59,276 --> 02:09:01,676
for, I'm going to speak for myself, but also the

1913
02:09:01,777 --> 02:09:05,996
public to see, not just to see how, um, it's

1914
02:09:05,996 --> 02:09:08,796
interpreted and brought through. But I would love to see

1915
02:09:09,697 --> 02:09:13,436
the comments from the community forum. There were comment cards

1916
02:09:13,617 --> 02:09:16,956
I heard that were submitted. Or the comments of my

1917
02:09:17,137 --> 02:09:21,756
fellow task members who put in their community comments through

1918
02:09:21,796 --> 02:09:27,196
the survey. Because I think this generation of dialogue on

1919
02:09:27,196 --> 02:09:29,836
the dais is super helpful because someone will say something

1920
02:09:30,337 --> 02:09:34,476
and then it'll generate an iterative like comment. Like that's

1921
02:09:34,516 --> 02:09:37,436
the wonderful part of public meetings. Um, but if we

1922
02:09:37,436 --> 02:09:39,756
don't get to see the actual comments and we just

1923
02:09:39,756 --> 02:09:42,956
see how staff kind of interpreted to them and incorporated

1924
02:09:42,956 --> 02:09:45,676
them, we miss out on that richness. And I think

1925
02:09:45,676 --> 02:09:50,636
that's really the heart of community engagement and public meetings.

1926
02:09:50,636 --> 02:09:53,436
So that would be just a request, not necessarily a

1927
02:09:53,436 --> 02:09:59,741
question. Thank you for that. Um, if I may just

1928
02:09:59,741 --> 02:10:02,301
add to some of the comments, you know, when I'm

1929
02:10:02,301 --> 02:10:07,581
hearing about that we're looking at governance and phases as

1930
02:10:07,581 --> 02:10:14,141
we are continuing to develop, um, the, well, develop the

1931
02:10:14,322 --> 02:10:20,478
university concept. And then we talk about finance mechanisms on

1932
02:10:20,518 --> 02:10:27,254
the next meeting. It seems to me, and I understand

1933
02:10:27,435 --> 02:10:29,254
that, you know, we need to be kind of flexible

1934
02:10:29,275 --> 02:10:34,374
here is if we start building momentum for the finance

1935
02:10:34,414 --> 02:10:38,123
mechanism. It seems to me that you need a structure

1936
02:10:38,144 --> 02:10:43,140
of where that lands. And we can't be flexible when

1937
02:10:43,140 --> 02:10:47,300
it comes to public financing. That has to be crystal

1938
02:10:47,300 --> 02:10:49,620
clear. Are we going to trouble, right? So I don't

1939
02:10:49,660 --> 02:10:53,380
know if there's, if staff hasn't, uh, can provide me

1940
02:10:53,420 --> 02:10:56,820
some, some clarity on that. And, cause I'm trying to

1941
02:10:56,860 --> 02:11:00,438
get to where. We can get to a recommendation. I

1942
02:11:00,438 --> 02:11:05,742
don't know if we're there yet. But I like that

1943
02:11:05,843 --> 02:11:09,582
if we're getting into the finance mechanism next meeting, we've,

1944
02:11:09,582 --> 02:11:13,582
we've got to be clear on, on what, what we

1945
02:11:13,582 --> 02:11:16,622
can do on governance right now. Yeah. And I will

1946
02:11:17,123 --> 02:11:19,822
speak for myself, not for the city. Well, I will

1947
02:11:19,822 --> 02:11:21,902
say is that as we have been pulling together the

1948
02:11:21,902 --> 02:11:25,582
recommendation sort of taking in all of the, the legal,

1949
02:11:25,582 --> 02:11:29,102
uh, context, et cetera, we have fully recognized the interplay

1950
02:11:29,363 --> 02:11:33,342
between all three of these areas, these domains, governance, land

1951
02:11:33,342 --> 02:11:36,142
use, and financing. There's a lot of interplay and a

1952
02:11:36,142 --> 02:11:39,022
lot of, uh, codependencies. And so what we are bringing

1953
02:11:39,203 --> 02:11:42,942
to you today is a draft that should also inform

1954
02:11:43,123 --> 02:11:47,022
the discussions that happen when the finance recommendations come forward

1955
02:11:47,363 --> 02:11:50,062
and or the land use recommendations come forward. And they

1956
02:11:50,062 --> 02:11:52,542
all have to work together. And we'll have implications for

1957
02:11:52,723 --> 02:11:54,942
one another. We've begun to do some of that work

1958
02:11:54,963 --> 02:11:58,622
of taking that into consideration. And I'm sure more surprises

1959
02:11:58,643 --> 02:12:00,382
will be in store for us as we dig into

1960
02:12:00,883 --> 02:12:03,822
in more granularity. I would also say that we are

1961
02:12:03,822 --> 02:12:06,142
also trying to hold the discipline of keeping the maturity

1962
02:12:06,323 --> 02:12:10,302
arc in mind and being able to, um, produce recommendations

1963
02:12:10,323 --> 02:12:13,182
that get to the, uh, what we would like to

1964
02:12:13,203 --> 02:12:17,022
see going forward. Because it is, it is recommendations that

1965
02:12:17,283 --> 02:12:20,282
are going to be in the report, not prescription. And

1966
02:12:20,282 --> 02:12:21,982
so that's, I think what we're trying to hold across

1967
02:12:22,083 --> 02:12:24,862
both. But so you will see these come back to

1968
02:12:24,862 --> 02:12:28,222
you as those conversations, uh, come forward. And you should

1969
02:12:28,323 --> 02:12:31,502
anticipate sort of wrestling through those with us as we

1970
02:12:31,502 --> 02:12:35,249
go forward. Thank you for that. And, you know, as

1971
02:12:35,289 --> 02:12:39,869
we're thinking about governance. I'm also hearing a little bit

1972
02:12:39,890 --> 02:12:45,949
of, um, some themes about composition of what, um, each

1973
02:12:45,949 --> 02:12:51,549
of these options would look like. And so I think

1974
02:12:51,810 --> 02:12:54,109
even before we come up with a recommendation, I feel

1975
02:12:54,130 --> 02:12:57,957
like that needs to be fleshed out as well. Um,

1976
02:12:58,538 --> 02:13:01,557
so that we know where to sort, you know, or

1977
02:13:01,597 --> 02:13:05,576
we sort folks and stakeholders. Just to be clear, the

1978
02:13:05,576 --> 02:13:14,650
composition for the governance enterprises. Is that what we're. Any

1979
02:13:14,690 --> 02:13:17,690
other comments? Yes. Dr. Gade. So just kind of trying

1980
02:13:17,690 --> 02:13:22,250
to synthesize the conversation. I think, um, as a body,

1981
02:13:22,250 --> 02:13:24,250
I'm sensing a lot of questions, whether it be about

1982
02:13:24,271 --> 02:13:26,650
the city, kind of city role, whether it be about

1983
02:13:27,391 --> 02:13:30,730
the composition of the board, whether it be the, some

1984
02:13:30,770 --> 02:13:34,010
of the technical pieces. And well, this is not prescriptive.

1985
02:13:34,010 --> 02:13:36,170
I think we want to be really thorough in our

1986
02:13:36,191 --> 02:13:41,210
exploration and robust in our investigation. So perhaps we might

1987
02:13:41,551 --> 02:13:45,690
want to consider creating an ad hoc working group or

1988
02:13:45,690 --> 02:13:48,650
a sub body of a smaller group of us so

1989
02:13:48,690 --> 02:13:51,370
that we can delve deeply come back to the next

1990
02:13:51,551 --> 02:13:56,170
meeting with a really vetted set of questions. It's a

1991
02:13:56,170 --> 02:13:59,450
suggestion. Again, just giving that I'm noting the hour and

1992
02:13:59,471 --> 02:14:02,570
noting the dialogue, uh, that's what I'm sensing. So I

1993
02:14:02,570 --> 02:14:04,810
like to, to have that be part of our consideration

1994
02:14:05,151 --> 02:14:08,730
is perhaps we establish a NATO. Maybe we just meet

1995
02:14:08,911 --> 02:14:12,170
in between meetings to delve deeply with staff so we

1996
02:14:12,170 --> 02:14:15,130
can really kind of bring that back. I know that,

1997
02:14:15,130 --> 02:14:17,130
you know, I think that would help me and my

1998
02:14:17,130 --> 02:14:23,530
determination. These recommendations make theoretical sense. But some of the

1999
02:14:23,871 --> 02:14:26,250
exploration about the practical impacts I think need to be

2000
02:14:26,351 --> 02:14:31,069
explored a little bit more deeply. Yeah. That's an interesting

2001
02:14:31,970 --> 02:14:35,149
suggestion. I want to be also mindful of the scope

2002
02:14:35,490 --> 02:14:41,069
of staff and the consultants. But, um, I'd like to,

2003
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:44,109
if there is an agreement with a group to explore

2004
02:14:44,130 --> 02:14:48,489
that, obviously what the parameters that would look like, um,

2005
02:14:49,170 --> 02:14:52,269
given baggly keen. Right. I was just going to say,

2006
02:14:52,269 --> 02:14:57,309
um, particularly considering that there are a few members missing,

2007
02:14:57,309 --> 02:14:59,709
um, from the task force today. My recommendation would be

2008
02:14:59,730 --> 02:15:02,989
to add a future meeting agendized, the creation of an

2009
02:15:03,010 --> 02:15:05,949
ad hoc so that folks can know going in that

2010
02:15:05,949 --> 02:15:08,329
that's a decision point that's going to be made. Um,

2011
02:15:08,530 --> 02:15:11,229
as opposed to sort of impromptu creation, just to avoid

2012
02:15:11,250 --> 02:15:13,389
any potential bag leaky issues since it would be an

2013
02:15:13,429 --> 02:15:17,549
action of the board. And then a reminder ad hocs

2014
02:15:17,570 --> 02:15:22,989
are a minority of the, it could be less than

2015
02:15:23,029 --> 02:15:24,549
a minority, right? It could be two of you. It

2016
02:15:24,549 --> 02:15:26,909
could be four of you. Um, but, and the quick

2017
02:15:26,930 --> 02:15:28,749
rules on the ad hoc is it has to be

2018
02:15:29,650 --> 02:15:34,269
limited jurisdiction, something that's finite, uh, where the clear ending

2019
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:38,349
point, a regular meetings and ad hocs are not subject

2020
02:15:38,530 --> 02:15:43,389
to public meetings, public notice. But my recommendation just to

2021
02:15:43,389 --> 02:15:46,029
keep it really above board legally would be to have

2022
02:15:46,050 --> 02:15:48,749
that as an action item on, on a future agenda

2023
02:15:49,010 --> 02:15:50,989
would be appointment of an ad hoc if you're so

2024
02:15:50,989 --> 02:15:52,909
inclined to go in that direction. And that way you

2025
02:15:52,909 --> 02:15:56,489
can ensure at least the folks that aren't here, you

2026
02:15:56,489 --> 02:15:59,629
know, would come to the next meeting knowing that they're

2027
02:15:59,650 --> 02:16:01,469
missing the meeting or the appointment of the ad hoc

2028
02:16:01,509 --> 02:16:04,029
is coming. And maybe they can pass along their thoughts

2029
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:06,589
to one of their friends on the board. Okay. Thank

2030
02:16:06,589 --> 02:16:12,321
you for that guidance. Um. Is there a desire to

2031
02:16:12,822 --> 02:16:15,601
create an ad hoc? I mean, obviously we don't want

2032
02:16:15,601 --> 02:16:18,721
to create more work, but, um, there are some really

2033
02:16:19,782 --> 02:16:23,782
substantive questions. In my mind, I obviously the city should

2034
02:16:23,822 --> 02:16:27,462
be part of, um, ad hoc. And I misunderstand what

2035
02:16:27,502 --> 02:16:29,672
you said. We can't even discuss that until the next

2036
02:16:29,773 --> 02:16:34,632
meeting. Or am I misunderstanding what you said for a

2037
02:16:34,632 --> 02:16:36,952
creation, right? Correct. We have to be an action item

2038
02:16:36,973 --> 02:16:39,832
for the next meeting, correct? Correct. And from what I

2039
02:16:39,872 --> 02:16:44,792
understand, Chair, um, Falcon is trying to glean whether the

2040
02:16:44,893 --> 02:16:46,952
appetite to have that as an action item on the

2041
02:16:46,952 --> 02:16:49,252
next meeting. You can discuss it at this point, but

2042
02:16:49,252 --> 02:16:50,592
you can't take the action. That's what I want to

2043
02:16:50,592 --> 02:16:56,470
make sure to make sure you're cool. Okay. Okay. Do

2044
02:16:56,510 --> 02:16:59,350
we need to have a consensus? You know, go ahead.

2045
02:17:00,091 --> 02:17:03,990
To the point of creating an ad hoc committee, it

2046
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:09,190
would end falling within the rules that the brown act

2047
02:17:09,771 --> 02:17:14,611
and allows us to do. We aren't prohibited from having

2048
02:17:16,392 --> 02:17:22,211
a vote notifying everybody, giving the chairperson the right to

2049
02:17:22,232 --> 02:17:26,748
a point. A ad hoc committee. Because if we want

2050
02:17:26,748 --> 02:17:30,654
to have that recommendation for next meeting. And we, and

2051
02:17:30,694 --> 02:17:34,494
we wait till appointing ad hoc tour, next regular schedule

2052
02:17:34,534 --> 02:17:38,654
meeting, you know, there might be a shortcut for us

2053
02:17:38,835 --> 02:17:45,765
to have a vote. Or I think we aren't prohibited

2054
02:17:45,805 --> 02:17:49,765
from sending out a vote to all the members to

2055
02:17:49,786 --> 02:17:54,405
see if they would authorize the chairwoman to form an

2056
02:17:54,906 --> 02:17:57,605
ad hoc committee to come back with a recommendation at

2057
02:17:57,645 --> 02:18:00,965
our next meeting versus putting this off for six months

2058
02:18:01,626 --> 02:18:04,165
or whenever our next second meeting is. Because if we

2059
02:18:04,266 --> 02:18:09,330
appoint them. Do you have a they could, they could

2060
02:18:09,330 --> 02:18:13,330
authorize the chair. And nothing precludes a minority of this

2061
02:18:13,431 --> 02:18:18,970
body from discussing these items outside of a meeting. As

2062
02:18:18,970 --> 02:18:23,010
long as you don't get into a majority, right? Because

2063
02:18:23,031 --> 02:18:25,730
then you have an issue with Bagley keen. But if

2064
02:18:25,991 --> 02:18:31,010
you're inclined to empower the chair, which is not unusual

2065
02:18:31,351 --> 02:18:36,450
and very typical on formation about hawks, um, to create

2066
02:18:36,631 --> 02:18:39,410
an ad hoc or a small set, I wouldn't call

2067
02:18:39,410 --> 02:18:40,990
it a subcommittee because then you have other rules. But

2068
02:18:40,990 --> 02:18:44,370
yeah, an ad hoc group committee. You can, you could

2069
02:18:44,370 --> 02:18:50,240
do that. Okay. I'm hearing a consensus that there might

2070
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:53,120
be interest. Okay. Yes. Remember, Alan. And then we'll have

2071
02:18:53,541 --> 02:18:56,800
a member in Karnassian. Thank you, Chair Falcon. I would

2072
02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:00,560
just offer that while, um, in ad hoc committee composed

2073
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:04,000
of minority a number of members is not required to

2074
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:06,400
be a public meeting. I would encourage that any meeting

2075
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:08,560
that happens would be open to the public so that

2076
02:19:08,560 --> 02:19:12,157
this conversation continues to be open and transparent. Okay. Just

2077
02:19:12,157 --> 02:19:13,837
to throw that out there. Yeah. No, thank you for

2078
02:19:13,877 --> 02:19:19,313
that. Dr. Encarmasion and then member on Guyana. Um, I

2079
02:19:19,353 --> 02:19:25,350
was also totally fine. Even with an ad hoc committee.

2080
02:19:26,366 --> 02:19:30,105
I'm just thinking we technically only have two meetings left,

2081
02:19:30,105 --> 02:19:33,145
right? We have a finance and then a final report

2082
02:19:33,326 --> 02:19:36,505
to review. And I'm just wondering if there is an

2083
02:19:36,526 --> 02:19:39,705
ad hoc to think about governance. And then we have

2084
02:19:39,726 --> 02:19:45,705
another very robust meeting about finance that might activate more

2085
02:19:46,046 --> 02:19:48,985
thoughts and conversations that then might bring us back to

2086
02:19:49,406 --> 02:19:52,505
like wanting a tweak something that we thought about around

2087
02:19:52,545 --> 02:19:57,596
governance. I'm feeling like that ad hoc might need a

2088
02:19:57,596 --> 02:20:00,735
meet again. And then maybe. There. I mean, I don't

2089
02:20:00,735 --> 02:20:03,855
know how it'll turn out because we can't foresee the

2090
02:20:03,895 --> 02:20:08,015
future, but I also just want to throw out if

2091
02:20:08,055 --> 02:20:12,015
this task force wants to also just think about how,

2092
02:20:12,015 --> 02:20:15,695
is this an ongoing task scores? Just to be realistic

2093
02:20:15,876 --> 02:20:17,935
for anyone who decides they want to be on it

2094
02:20:18,756 --> 02:20:22,015
and do we also want to consider just the idea

2095
02:20:22,036 --> 02:20:27,207
that this task force might need an additional meeting. If

2096
02:20:27,247 --> 02:20:30,407
I may answer that. So in reading the legislation and

2097
02:20:30,407 --> 02:20:33,207
you raise some really important questions, uh, it's probably what

2098
02:20:33,228 --> 02:20:34,807
keeps me up at night, how we're going to get

2099
02:20:34,807 --> 02:20:39,047
through all this material before the requirement, uh, for submitting

2100
02:20:39,148 --> 02:20:43,767
the final report honor before July 1st, 2027. So the

2101
02:20:43,788 --> 02:20:46,927
number of meetings was not prescribed in the legislation. So

2102
02:20:46,927 --> 02:20:50,407
we could have another meeting. We specifically focused on the

2103
02:20:50,828 --> 02:20:55,847
four meetings, uh, land use today's governance November's finance. And

2104
02:20:55,847 --> 02:20:58,567
then the last meeting was to start, have a discussion

2105
02:20:58,668 --> 02:21:03,367
about the first draft of the report. We can add

2106
02:21:03,388 --> 02:21:06,967
another meeting, but we also want to be mindful that

2107
02:21:06,988 --> 02:21:09,367
there's a lot of work that goes on in between

2108
02:21:09,468 --> 02:21:12,007
the meetings. And so that's why we didn't have six

2109
02:21:12,047 --> 02:21:18,167
meetings versus four meetings. But we certainly can have a

2110
02:21:18,188 --> 02:21:21,927
subgroup or advisory group to work on some of these

2111
02:21:22,028 --> 02:21:24,647
issues, a minority of the task force. We can do

2112
02:21:24,748 --> 02:21:28,087
it publicly. Um, and then we can just be fluid

2113
02:21:28,188 --> 02:21:30,407
because that's part of the issue. Finance might not be

2114
02:21:30,428 --> 02:21:33,847
as complicated as governance actually, because you have a set

2115
02:21:33,887 --> 02:21:36,967
number of mechanisms and then it's the public will whether

2116
02:21:36,967 --> 02:21:40,007
or not we can implement those mechanisms. That was my,

2117
02:21:40,047 --> 02:21:42,887
that's my thinking as well. And I don't know how

2118
02:21:43,068 --> 02:21:46,247
everybody thinks about this, but when we go buy a

2119
02:21:46,247 --> 02:21:48,447
house or we go buy a car, we kind of

2120
02:21:48,447 --> 02:21:50,027
come in with a budget. You know what I mean?

2121
02:21:50,108 --> 02:21:52,047
And we understand what budget we are. I mean, we

2122
02:21:52,108 --> 02:21:54,487
have an expense and we know what we have and

2123
02:21:54,487 --> 02:21:56,567
what we don't have when we build that way instead

2124
02:21:56,567 --> 02:21:59,847
of, and this is the frustrating thing for me because

2125
02:21:59,847 --> 02:22:03,207
I don't, I don't understand like the difficulty with creating,

2126
02:22:03,207 --> 02:22:05,367
we're, we're kind of creating a cathedral when we really,

2127
02:22:05,407 --> 02:22:07,767
really right now, we need to have like, Hey, what's

2128
02:22:07,767 --> 02:22:11,390
the price that we need. And how are we going

2129
02:22:11,390 --> 02:22:14,470
to be able to finance that or reverse? I have

2130
02:22:14,470 --> 02:22:16,990
this amount of money that I can finance. And then

2131
02:22:17,011 --> 02:22:19,390
I'd like to be able to be able to have

2132
02:22:19,411 --> 02:22:21,470
this at least in the first phase of what we're

2133
02:22:21,470 --> 02:22:25,984
doing. Instead, I think we're doing like backward designs. So

2134
02:22:25,984 --> 02:22:28,344
it's just like we're trying to cram all these ideas

2135
02:22:28,605 --> 02:22:31,544
into one small thing. And I think that we have

2136
02:22:31,544 --> 02:22:33,704
to be very careful with that because if we're trying

2137
02:22:33,704 --> 02:22:36,424
to cram everything back into a smaller spot, but we

2138
02:22:36,424 --> 02:22:38,164
don't have the money or we don't have the, uh,

2139
02:22:38,285 --> 02:22:41,944
you know, the capacity to build whenever we want, then

2140
02:22:41,944 --> 02:22:43,864
it's kind of difficult for us to sit here and

2141
02:22:43,904 --> 02:22:46,984
say, Hey, we were actually doing what we were supposed

2142
02:22:46,984 --> 02:22:50,024
to do. So I think financing for me, and I

2143
02:22:50,024 --> 02:22:52,824
said this first meeting, that's the nuts and bolts. Because

2144
02:22:52,824 --> 02:22:54,824
that tells us what money we have, what monies we

2145
02:22:54,845 --> 02:22:58,504
have and what needs we don't. And we're actually able

2146
02:22:58,504 --> 02:23:00,584
to say, okay, then we have this space and then

2147
02:23:00,584 --> 02:23:04,904
we build the governance structure out that way. That's just

2148
02:23:04,904 --> 02:23:09,104
practical me. And I'm sorry. I just don't understand. I

2149
02:23:09,104 --> 02:23:11,784
mean, the concept of binationalism is great. But I mean,

2150
02:23:12,045 --> 02:23:17,064
we're getting into talking about how many board members on

2151
02:23:17,064 --> 02:23:20,664
a possible nonprofit would be from a binational committee to

2152
02:23:20,664 --> 02:23:24,837
have them included. And we just don't even know where,

2153
02:23:24,837 --> 02:23:26,177
you know, if we have the money for it, you

2154
02:23:26,177 --> 02:23:29,717
know, and that's to me is I might, I hope

2155
02:23:29,717 --> 02:23:31,237
I'm not the only one that feels that this is

2156
02:23:31,338 --> 02:23:34,357
a little bit, we're convoluting the process. We didn't find

2157
02:23:34,357 --> 02:23:36,347
out how much money we have. We don't need to

2158
02:23:36,347 --> 02:23:37,707
find out how much it costs. Today was the first

2159
02:23:37,747 --> 02:23:40,347
time I've seen a cost associated with, thank you, Adriana.

2160
02:23:40,347 --> 02:23:43,764
I really appreciate it. But I think that this is.

2161
02:23:44,846 --> 02:23:47,845
I feel like the Mandalorian. This is the way, you

2162
02:23:47,845 --> 02:23:54,585
know, no, thank you for your, you know, your, your,

2163
02:23:54,625 --> 02:23:59,785
your, your passion. I want to also get to membranguiano.

2164
02:23:59,785 --> 02:24:02,905
Did you want to comment on something? I just wanted

2165
02:24:02,926 --> 02:24:06,505
to underscore that. The finance discussion, we will be dedicating

2166
02:24:06,686 --> 02:24:09,145
a whole meeting to that. So we're not overlooking it.

2167
02:24:09,145 --> 02:24:13,305
We're not, the, the, the interplay between governance and finances

2168
02:24:13,486 --> 02:24:16,825
pretty significant. And so yes, just want to reassure you

2169
02:24:16,825 --> 02:24:19,705
that we actually have a consultant in the audience who's

2170
02:24:19,745 --> 02:24:23,545
working with us along with his team to really dig

2171
02:24:23,646 --> 02:24:26,185
into those finances and to bring you a set of

2172
02:24:27,006 --> 02:24:30,185
options to look at. And there are, all of them

2173
02:24:30,185 --> 02:24:32,585
are, you know, what's available. The question is how do

2174
02:24:32,585 --> 02:24:35,145
you activate them? But, um, I just want you to

2175
02:24:35,185 --> 02:24:40,834
know that we are certainly considering that. Member Aguiano. Well,

2176
02:24:40,874 --> 02:24:42,514
I was going to suggest that if we were going

2177
02:24:42,514 --> 02:24:44,594
to have a public meeting anyway, it might make sense

2178
02:24:44,634 --> 02:24:47,154
to make it a task force meeting versus an ad

2179
02:24:47,154 --> 02:24:50,114
hoc. So everyone can attend. And if they can't attend,

2180
02:24:50,114 --> 02:24:52,194
then that's fine. But it seems like a lot of

2181
02:24:52,194 --> 02:24:54,514
people have questions in a minority might not be enough

2182
02:24:54,615 --> 02:25:00,799
people that want to participate. If we can get, um,

2183
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:03,459
if we can get a quorum of folks, um, for

2184
02:25:03,459 --> 02:25:08,079
another meeting just on governance and just to dedicate, um,

2185
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:14,499
to governance, if we still cannot come up with a

2186
02:25:14,539 --> 02:25:18,479
recommendation, then we maybe we might need to entertain, um,

2187
02:25:19,320 --> 02:25:23,191
a subset group to really dig in. So we, we,

2188
02:25:23,191 --> 02:25:27,831
we could do that if it is, um, you know,

2189
02:25:27,852 --> 02:25:32,791
if the capacity for us to do that in between

2190
02:25:32,892 --> 02:25:39,060
now and, um, our next meeting. So we could shoot

2191
02:25:39,241 --> 02:25:43,172
for something in October. To give us a chance to

2192
02:25:43,172 --> 02:25:46,772
give you a chance to think about it, absorb, get

2193
02:25:46,873 --> 02:25:50,372
to comments in to Marty. And we can certainly have

2194
02:25:50,953 --> 02:25:53,892
a meeting. It might be an hour. Can we do

2195
02:25:54,233 --> 02:25:56,892
a Zoom meeting? Is that possible? No, we have to

2196
02:25:56,892 --> 02:25:59,092
do in person. Correct. It has to be an in

2197
02:25:59,092 --> 02:26:01,892
- person meeting. And then just a reminder. So the

2198
02:26:01,913 --> 02:26:04,612
way, as Marlene was mentioning, the interplay between governance and

2199
02:26:04,713 --> 02:26:08,292
financing, some financing mechanisms might not be available depending on

2200
02:26:08,292 --> 02:26:11,972
the governance model you choose, right? And then some governance

2201
02:26:12,012 --> 02:26:16,941
models make certain sorts of funding mechanisms available. Um, and

2202
02:26:16,981 --> 02:26:20,621
so I would just caution you from, I mean, certainly

2203
02:26:20,642 --> 02:26:25,101
if the task force feels strongly about a governance recommendation,

2204
02:26:25,101 --> 02:26:29,101
please voice that. Um, but I think the intention of

2205
02:26:29,362 --> 02:26:31,821
our, of our, our, of our, of the group is

2206
02:26:31,861 --> 02:26:34,861
to present the recommendations as options. And then present the

2207
02:26:34,901 --> 02:26:38,941
funding recommendations as options so that you can see how

2208
02:26:38,962 --> 02:26:41,421
they interplay with each other. If you choose this, you

2209
02:26:41,522 --> 02:26:44,381
have this funding mechanism available. If you feel very strongly

2210
02:26:44,421 --> 02:26:47,741
about this funding mechanism, this is no longer an option.

2211
02:26:47,741 --> 02:26:49,741
And so that's sort of one of the reasons why

2212
02:26:51,602 --> 02:26:55,101
the, you know, they're being handled sort of together governance

2213
02:26:55,282 --> 02:26:59,231
first. A replay of governance next along with the funding

2214
02:26:59,572 --> 02:27:06,270
conversation. Dr. Moore. Uh, thank you, Chair. Um, given the

2215
02:27:06,931 --> 02:27:09,310
last few comments, I'm wondering if it would be better

2216
02:27:09,971 --> 02:27:14,830
to defer the discussion of governance till after the finance

2217
02:27:14,870 --> 02:27:19,239
meeting. In other words, schedule another meeting after the next

2218
02:27:19,340 --> 02:27:23,910
meeting. That way we'll know what the finance options are.

2219
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:26,470
We'll know the interplay between the governance options and the

2220
02:27:26,470 --> 02:27:30,070
finance options. It will give us an opportunity then to

2221
02:27:30,411 --> 02:27:34,950
expore in more depth. Because I agree that we, the

2222
02:27:34,990 --> 02:27:38,550
governance questions there are a significant number of questions that

2223
02:27:38,590 --> 02:27:40,630
I think we need to have an in - depth

2224
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:43,809
discussion. And the meeting, frankly, just don't leave us enough

2225
02:27:43,910 --> 02:27:47,249
time for discussion. It's just, and it's no one's fault.

2226
02:27:47,249 --> 02:27:51,169
It's just the format in the complexity of the issues.

2227
02:27:51,169 --> 02:27:54,089
So I think rather than having something in October, it

2228
02:27:54,089 --> 02:27:56,609
might be better to have our next meeting about finance,

2229
02:27:56,609 --> 02:28:03,185
then schedule and at another, um, task force meeting. Appreciate

2230
02:28:03,606 --> 02:28:06,145
the sequence. Do you have a conversation? From a staff

2231
02:28:06,185 --> 02:28:08,525
perspective, that makes sense. I think that makes a lot

2232
02:28:08,525 --> 02:28:10,945
of sense. And then it gives you time to think

2233
02:28:11,846 --> 02:28:15,185
and then understand the relationship. And again, we have a

2234
02:28:15,206 --> 02:28:19,645
February meeting. We could schedule January meeting or December, but

2235
02:28:19,645 --> 02:28:23,105
I think January might be more effective. So we can,

2236
02:28:23,105 --> 02:28:24,545
if you want to, I don't know if this would

2237
02:28:24,566 --> 02:28:28,625
be appropriate to, you have an action item for this

2238
02:28:28,726 --> 02:28:31,745
item. You could, um, someone can make a motion to

2239
02:28:32,166 --> 02:28:35,245
have the chair work with staff to work out. The

2240
02:28:35,245 --> 02:28:39,345
details of establishing another, uh, task force meetings specifically to

2241
02:28:39,385 --> 02:28:44,254
focus on governance. Or if you just show a consensus

2242
02:28:44,275 --> 02:28:47,578
that that's what you'd like to do. I can entertain

2243
02:28:47,679 --> 02:28:51,958
a motion, if any, I move to do what, uh,

2244
02:28:51,999 --> 02:28:54,058
what Marlene just put in. I can't repeat it word

2245
02:28:54,098 --> 02:28:56,618
for word, but yeah, so there you go. I'll second.

2246
02:28:56,618 --> 02:28:59,818
Okay. So we have a motion by, uh, member out

2247
02:28:59,858 --> 02:29:06,316
on CBS seconded by a member Allen. Do we want

2248
02:29:06,356 --> 02:29:10,296
to repeat the motion of staff wants to, what I'm

2249
02:29:10,296 --> 02:29:14,296
hearing is that, um, the motion is, is to, um,

2250
02:29:14,977 --> 02:29:19,596
empower the chair to work with staff on sequencing an

2251
02:29:19,596 --> 02:29:25,202
additional meeting, uh, for governance. Um, and yeah, and then

2252
02:29:25,383 --> 02:29:29,794
we'll schedule that meeting. And that we may want to

2253
02:29:29,794 --> 02:29:33,074
identify January for your calendaring so that you have some

2254
02:29:33,255 --> 02:29:36,709
time to plan for this. Okay. So we have a

2255
02:29:36,749 --> 02:29:42,186
motion and a second all in favor. Aye. Any note

2256
02:29:42,287 --> 02:29:46,906
suppose. Okay. The action passes. Thank you so much. I

2257
02:29:46,927 --> 02:29:53,226
really appreciate this discussion was very substantive and rightly so.

2258
02:29:53,226 --> 02:29:55,626
Um, you know, we do have to get this right,

2259
02:29:55,626 --> 02:30:01,066
even though there will be, you know, potential flexibility as

2260
02:30:02,447 --> 02:30:07,706
the university continues to develop, um, especially if we're starting

2261
02:30:07,746 --> 02:30:11,226
to put meat on the bones, we do need a

2262
02:30:11,266 --> 02:30:16,986
structure to, you know, to house, um, these future decisions

2263
02:30:18,687 --> 02:30:21,746
and continuing to organize and plan for this university. So

2264
02:30:22,127 --> 02:30:25,786
I appreciate each and every one of your comments and

2265
02:30:25,887 --> 02:30:30,346
questions and, um, I hear the passion also from, from

2266
02:30:30,367 --> 02:30:35,285
members, um, as he speaks. So thank you. Um, any

2267
02:30:35,306 --> 02:30:39,125
additional comments from members before we adjourn. And thank you

2268
02:30:39,125 --> 02:30:41,765
so much for spending a few more minutes of your

2269
02:30:41,946 --> 02:30:46,325
precious time, um, in this discussion. I have a comment.

2270
02:30:46,325 --> 02:30:49,925
Yes. Um, I want to make sure we can legally

2271
02:30:49,946 --> 02:30:56,488
do this on a non agendaised item. Um. The city

2272
02:30:56,528 --> 02:31:00,568
of Chilevista certified the EIR for this property in 2018.

2273
02:31:03,221 --> 02:31:09,603
However, we have seen in California numerous times. Those certifications

2274
02:31:10,264 --> 02:31:16,652
challenged because of change circumstances. Um, like it or not,

2275
02:31:16,673 --> 02:31:20,492
us people that have grown up in the South Bay

2276
02:31:20,593 --> 02:31:23,608
feel somewhat of a chip on our shoulder. That we

2277
02:31:23,608 --> 02:31:27,688
have the only prison. We have the only toll road

2278
02:31:27,789 --> 02:31:30,147
in the county. You know, some of us think La

2279
02:31:30,147 --> 02:31:32,367
Hoya could afford that better than the people in the

2280
02:31:32,367 --> 02:31:36,387
South Bay. We have a sewage problem that's gone on

2281
02:31:36,427 --> 02:31:39,587
for five or six decades that would never happen in

2282
02:31:39,627 --> 02:31:43,507
La Joya incinitas. Delmar were up and down the coast.

2283
02:31:44,215 --> 02:31:46,914
And we have to deal with it regularly. So maybe

2284
02:31:47,175 --> 02:31:52,596
our chip is misplaced. But this task force has a

2285
02:31:52,636 --> 02:31:57,716
very, very difficult task in front of it of completing

2286
02:31:58,217 --> 02:32:01,987
university. And one of the things that as we get

2287
02:32:02,027 --> 02:32:06,547
people, if we can build on what Southwestern college has

2288
02:32:06,547 --> 02:32:14,307
done and bringing in USC to a South Bay campus,

2289
02:32:14,307 --> 02:32:17,667
one of the things that concerns me is a challenge

2290
02:32:17,768 --> 02:32:24,067
to the EIR that was done in 2018 when we

2291
02:32:25,688 --> 02:32:29,190
complete our task. We get all this done. And then

2292
02:32:29,451 --> 02:32:33,030
somebody doesn't like traffic. Somebody doesn't like the lighting from

2293
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:35,830
the ball field. Somebody doesn't like the noise. It'll come

2294
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:38,310
from the vent. And all of a sudden we find

2295
02:32:38,331 --> 02:32:44,905
ourselves in a lawsuit. For years. And people all over

2296
02:32:44,905 --> 02:32:48,025
the country, and I do business all over the country,

2297
02:32:48,025 --> 02:32:53,159
are afraid to come to California. Because of CEQA. The

2298
02:32:53,159 --> 02:32:57,319
legislature has made very clear that if proper things have

2299
02:32:57,319 --> 02:33:01,399
gone into place as Chulavisa did. And they certified the

2300
02:33:01,420 --> 02:33:06,919
EIR that you can request that that area, that 380

2301
02:33:06,959 --> 02:33:11,840
plus acres be exempt from CEQA. What I want to

2302
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:19,080
do is cut off any future challenges that might come.

2303
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:22,280
And so the question is, and I've talked to the

2304
02:33:22,381 --> 02:33:25,560
assembly men about this. I've talked to elected officials and

2305
02:33:25,581 --> 02:33:31,220
chill vised about this. And everyone supports. But the assemblyman

2306
02:33:31,220 --> 02:33:34,020
would like to see if this committee would recommend to

2307
02:33:34,060 --> 02:33:40,367
him. That we ask him to carry legislation that would

2308
02:33:40,708 --> 02:33:47,272
exempt. This site from future CEQA challenges. So the question

2309
02:33:47,293 --> 02:33:51,512
is, can we make that recommendation or do we have

2310
02:33:51,512 --> 02:33:57,583
to agendize that. For next meeting? Um, uh, yes, this

2311
02:33:57,764 --> 02:34:01,823
task force can make that recommendation. No, not today because

2312
02:34:01,863 --> 02:34:04,463
of today's agenda. It does go hand in hand with

2313
02:34:04,484 --> 02:34:08,863
governance. Um, because part of the governance task is to

2314
02:34:08,903 --> 02:34:13,823
identify statutory barriers and one can interpret the environmental laws

2315
02:34:13,844 --> 02:34:18,143
as a potential statutory barrier or future barrier for success.

2316
02:34:18,143 --> 02:34:21,503
So that's something that has been the case in many

2317
02:34:21,503 --> 02:34:26,623
times. So that's something that we can consider a staff

2318
02:34:26,644 --> 02:34:30,463
with respect to the final report as a recommendation on

2319
02:34:30,463 --> 02:34:33,343
the statutory barrier front. Um, so that would be an

2320
02:34:33,383 --> 02:34:36,783
item for a future meeting. Um, and we can discuss

2321
02:34:37,124 --> 02:34:42,703
offline. Yeah. The problem is not too future because assume

2322
02:34:42,804 --> 02:34:45,103
in Alvarez would have to introduce at the beginning of

2323
02:34:45,124 --> 02:34:48,381
the year. And so that means we have to act

2324
02:34:48,642 --> 02:34:52,781
this year to have, uh, the implement to act to

2325
02:34:52,781 --> 02:34:55,261
carry the legislation. I've talked to the speaker's office about

2326
02:34:55,301 --> 02:34:57,821
this and the assembly men and again to elect officials

2327
02:34:57,861 --> 02:35:05,021
here. Everyone seems very supportive of us completing our work.

2328
02:35:05,986 --> 02:35:09,688
And then finding ourselves in a lawsuit. For years and

2329
02:35:09,688 --> 02:35:14,329
maybe losing the project. So. If we could agendize that,

2330
02:35:14,329 --> 02:35:15,769
be appreciative. I think it'd be fine to have that

2331
02:35:15,950 --> 02:35:18,809
as part of the next discussion at the October meeting

2332
02:35:18,809 --> 02:35:21,609
on the front end, um, whether that's something that this

2333
02:35:21,649 --> 02:35:24,569
task force wants to do as part of its recommendations.

2334
02:35:24,569 --> 02:35:26,969
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Sure. Thank you member for bringing

2335
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that up. And we'll leave it to staff to determine

2336
02:35:32,430 --> 02:35:38,489
what the most appropriate way to incorporate because of the

2337
02:35:38,510 --> 02:35:43,689
time sensitivity with, um, the upcoming legislative, new legislative session

2338
02:35:44,270 --> 02:35:50,009
starting in January where that, where that conversation should be

2339
02:35:50,190 --> 02:35:54,489
housed, um, you know, the timeframe in our scope of

2340
02:35:54,910 --> 02:36:00,884
meetings. So. Thank you. Any other comments from members. All

2341
02:36:00,884 --> 02:36:03,664
right. With that, thank you so much everyone for, uh,

2342
02:36:03,664 --> 02:36:06,724
your time today on a Friday and for the rich

2343
02:36:06,745 --> 02:36:09,924
discussion and with that, this meeting is a meeting is

2344
02:36:09,945 --> 02:36:10,164
adjourned.