1 00:00:28,640 --> 00:01:10,710 Hey, hey, hey. 2 00:01:10,720 --> 00:02:23,190 Heat. Heat. 3 00:02:23,200 --> 00:03:17,270 Heat. 4 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:32,949 N. 5 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:53,990 Heat. 6 00:03:54,000 --> 00:05:10,469 Heat. 7 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:54,150 Hey. 8 00:05:54,160 --> 00:07:55,189 Heat. Heat. 9 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:11,909 line. 10 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:16,309 Steven's ready. 11 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:18,720 » I didn't get no words. 12 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,120 >> I was just about to gave you about ready 13 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,800 to bang you, baby. 14 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,639 >> I didn't ask yet. I wanted to have the 15 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,080 discussion first. 16 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,759 >> We'll call to order the regular 17 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:31,360 committee of the whole meeting. Can we 18 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,479 begin with roll call? 19 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:33,839 >> Council member Lee 20 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:34,320 >> here. 21 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:34,800 >> Oren 22 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:35,120 >> here. 23 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:35,519 >> Sely 24 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:35,839 >> here. 25 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:36,399 >> Dutterman 26 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:36,800 >> here. 27 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,279 >> Turpin 28 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:37,680 >> here. 29 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:38,399 >> Winter 30 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:38,800 >> here. 31 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,279 >> Karns 32 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:40,959 >> here. 33 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:52,150 >> All right. Tammy. 34 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,080 » Good evening, Mayor and Council. Tanny 35 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,240 Johnson, community development director. 36 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,519 I've brought to you guys a proposal for 37 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:01,920 a program to try to eliminate some of 38 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,320 our vacant lots that we have the 39 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,640 non-buildable. 40 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,480 We tried over the years to sell them to 41 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,160 the neighbors just with letters and 42 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,440 stuff. Um it's cumbersome when we have 43 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,600 them bid on. They don't understand the 44 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,440 bidding process. 45 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,080 You get out. It's just I think it's a 46 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,360 little bit of cumbersome for them. So 47 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,160 our my idea is we don't we need to get 48 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,680 rid of them. We need to stop maintaining 49 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,560 these properties if we look at going 50 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:32,320 ahead and we can door knock when we're 51 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,800 out there doing the nuisances and send 52 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,120 letters out, talk to these people, sell 53 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,720 them for what it costs the city to do 54 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,519 the quick claim deal. [clears throat] 55 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,440 The areas that are in the urban renewal, 56 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,720 we still have to go out for bid with 57 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,480 those. But the rest of them, we can look 58 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,480 at just getting the neighbors to pay the 59 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,506 quick claim, which is roughly 60 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:51,920 [clears throat] about $200. 61 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,680 And on top of that, I've also talked to 62 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:54,800 the county because we want to make sure 63 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,720 they also parcel it together with their 64 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,040 lot. Um, the county has given me the 65 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,480 form that needs to be filled out. 66 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,320 They've said once they get a quick clean 67 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,640 deed recorded, we just go ahead and send 68 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,440 them that form and they'll do it. They 69 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,440 do that once a year. That's the only 70 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,279 time they do it, but they'll file them 71 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:12,800 away and then they'll get done once a 72 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,360 year. I think this was an easy idea to 73 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,040 get it out to the neighbors to try to 74 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,040 unload some of these non-buildable lots 75 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,600 that we have. Just looking to see what 76 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,480 you guys sent yet. It's not a really in 77 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,880 detailed packet, but it was enough to 78 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,399 get it out into you guys to see what you 79 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:29,440 guys thoughts are. 80 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,680 >> We still have to give opportunity to 81 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,600 both sides of the property. 82 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,440 >> We would door knock on both neighbors. 83 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Um we we even looked at maybe making 84 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,040 some postings. We could just put on 85 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,120 their door um asking them to reach out 86 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,959 to us if they're interested. We would 87 00:10:42,959 --> 00:10:44,399 still split them. We've done that in the 88 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:46,800 past. papers want pull the parcel 89 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,160 together. If they want to split it, they 90 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,880 can split the cost to do it themselves 91 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,399 then and split it. They still get a 92 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:53,839 little bit of everything. 93 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:58,480 >> So, if they split it, is it $200 for one 94 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,680 neighbor, $200? 95 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,920 >> It probably would be. Um, I think unless 96 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,440 the quick claim deed may not be that 97 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,760 expensive doing two at one time. I mean, 98 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,519 they're pretty easy. A lot of it's we're 99 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,040 doing the filing fee with that and 100 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,880 everything. So, they have to do nothing 101 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,360 but come down and sign it and we'll file 102 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,800 it for them. 103 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 So, there's less lab work for that. 104 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,480 >> I may be putting you on the spot, but do 105 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,800 you know how much it costs the city to 106 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,880 maintain some of these lots throughout 107 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,240 as as a total? 108 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,760 >> Um, 109 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,399 public works has them out for mowing if 110 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:29,839 I remember right. Some of them are 10, 111 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:31,360 some are $20 a mow. 112 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:31,839 >> Okay. 113 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:33,839 >> Um, same with the shoveling. 114 00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:35,360 >> They're still shoveling them. Um, we 115 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,880 have a problem with 116 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,959 >> There's about how many of these lots? 117 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:41,200 >> Uh, probably [snorts] about 50 or so. 118 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:41,920 >> Okay. 119 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,480 >> Give or take. Yeah. Um, but we have we 120 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,760 people find them, they know they're 121 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,519 vacant city lots and they dump on them. 122 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,279 So then probably works out cleaning them 123 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:51,279 up. So we have the keys on top of that 124 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:52,560 as well. 125 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,000 >> They've also had to go out and take some 126 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,519 trees down on them because limbs have 127 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:58,079 busted. Um, it's just all around it's 128 00:11:58,079 --> 00:11:59,760 time to really start getting rid of 129 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,839 them. 130 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:04,560 >> So one thing I didn't see was to ensure 131 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,200 that the neighbors are up to date on 132 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,480 their taxes, but I did see that we can 133 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,519 reject. 134 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:15,040 >> Yes. So would we leave that during and 135 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,880 to that process or would we let them 136 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,920 know upfront that we want them to be I 137 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,760 mean because we're doing this to get 138 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,279 them back on the tax roll so we want to 139 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:25,600 make sure that who we sell them to we're 140 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,800 actually paying their taxes. 141 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,600 >> Correct. Um and that to me I would leave 142 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,600 that up to you. Do you want me I can if 143 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,680 they turn that in and they're behind in 144 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,120 their taxes we can just I can just send 145 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,560 them a letter and say you know get your 146 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,160 taxes up to date. 147 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,480 >> Um that I think would be the best way. 148 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,560 see if they can go and make current with 149 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,240 t with the county 150 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,200 >> um 151 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,880 >> and go that way. 152 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,079 >> Want to make sure we're looking at it. 153 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:50,000 >> Yeah. Oh, yes. We do that on all of 154 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,079 them. So, or we could give you guys the 155 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:53,920 proposal and you guys make the decision. 156 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,920 But I think if we catch it on our end, 157 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,000 give them the chance to go make it make 158 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,560 it fair and get it paid. 159 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:02,880 Tammy, I like your idea, but I'd also 160 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,120 like to maybe look at the zoning and 161 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,279 ordinance and maybe turn some of these 162 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,120 uh non-buildable lots into buildable 163 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,880 lots so people can build some tiny homes 164 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,560 on them. 165 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,000 >> And I get and I know we've discussed 166 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,519 that before. I think we need to get 167 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:17,360 moving. There are some in the areas that 168 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,560 they just really need to go to the 169 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,279 neighbors. Correct. 170 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,120 >> Um and I think if we look at those, that 171 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,800 was kind of my idea is to start with the 172 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,399 ones that we know just really need to go 173 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:25,519 to the neighbors that they're not 174 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,760 conducive. They're smaller. I mean, we 175 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,519 do have some 20 foot lots out there that 176 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,360 are really small. We have some weird 177 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,360 corner pie-shaped ones and stuff. I 178 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,720 think those are the ones we look at and 179 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,760 really try to start getting them gone. 180 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,600 >> I agree. We've had them for some of 181 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,200 those we've had for many, many years. 182 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:41,519 And 183 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,120 >> we have. Yes. 184 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,360 >> What if they say, "Nope, we don't want 185 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,800 it." 186 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,240 >> Then I guess we're back to the drawing 187 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,920 board and trying to figure out what we 188 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,320 do. 189 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,560 >> Pretty sure we can just split it and put 190 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:57,910 it with their parcel. 191 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Not going to charge them for something 192 00:13:59,040 --> 00:13:59,920 they don't want. 193 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,600 >> Well, then we're going to have to pay 194 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,199 it. But the the fact is is we can't keep 195 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:07,519 maintaining these 196 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,440 um in forever, 197 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,320 >> right? I agree. 198 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,320 >> With no purpose. So, um 199 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,680 >> do the math here. If we're talking 50, 200 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,800 just do the math and we're talking 201 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,440 $200 to 202 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,920 >> prepare the deed. and all that. You 203 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,440 know, we're talking what? 10 grand. Does 204 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,320 that sound right? 205 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,079 >> It's not a It wouldn't be a lot of 206 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:37,120 money, but 50 times I mean 207 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,040 >> 50 times 200 208 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,920 >> 10 grand. Yeah. [clears throat] 209 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,240 >> Okay. 210 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,040 >> Yeah, 211 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,440 >> that's right. 212 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,920 So, Mr. Bank, 213 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,240 >> I don't know. Maybe it's 214 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,920 >> Oh, you mean not even charge them for 215 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,480 it? 216 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,000 >> Yeah. 217 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,079 just get rivet 218 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:55,440 budget's going to allow that right now. 219 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,240 >> I know. I know. 220 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:56,959 >> So, 221 00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:58,800 >> well, we could we could start with this, 222 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,399 >> but I think I think because it's public 223 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,480 property, we have to get some 224 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,160 >> a reasonable cost for it or what 225 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,160 whatever the word is that Pat uses, you 226 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:06,399 know. 227 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:07,519 >> Well, 228 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,839 >> yeah, we're supposed to try to ascertain 229 00:15:09,839 --> 00:15:11,440 market value, but when you have a 230 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,360 property that's not marketable except 231 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,000 for two adjoining properties, that 232 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,279 market value is pretty limited, right? 233 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:20,399 just saying 234 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,040 >> it's a good starting point. 235 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,959 >> It's been common practice that we get 236 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:27,279 100, 200, maybe 500 for some of these. 237 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:28,720 So, I think we should still try to 238 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,399 maintain that where we're getting that 239 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,839 something of that sort. 240 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:35,199 I don't necessarily like the idea of 241 00:15:35,199 --> 00:15:36,639 just putting it into somebody's property 242 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:38,079 that that I don't know. 243 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:40,079 >> Well, I think you might find that that 244 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:41,680 might not be an option, but we can start 245 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,399 with this. 246 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,079 >> I think it's a good starting point to 247 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:45,839 see how it goes. 248 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:47,279 >> Can we leave it up to Tammy's 249 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,440 discretion? So, like if she's finds a 250 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,800 lot that's not very big, then it might 251 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,360 just be easier to 252 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,839 pay the fee and get it over. I mean, 253 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:56,959 we've been talking about it for a while. 254 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:59,040 It' be nice to just 255 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,759 move forward on 256 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,040 >> I don't mind there being some 257 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,910 discretion. 258 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,920 » Could you bring us back a list of the 259 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,199 ones that you're thinking of? 260 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:09,680 >> Yeah. 261 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,720 >> Or send it to us? 262 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,639 >> Yeah, I can send them to you. We uh we 263 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:17,040 looked at what we sent out for the RFP 264 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,800 and we don't have that much to list 265 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,639 after we pulled out all these lots. 266 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,160 >> No. And I said [laughter] that before as 267 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,360 far as the buildable ones, there are a handful and that's it. 268 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,000 >> Yep. 269 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,680 >> I like the idea of knocking on the doors 270 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,440 and asking the neighbors, seeing where 271 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,000 they stand. 272 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,560 >> We'd also get with Christa um on a 273 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Facebook post, maybe the Clinton area, 274 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,639 get it out there to the residents. We 275 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,000 have these lots. If you live next door 276 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,920 to them and you're interested, just call 277 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,600 us. Let's sit down and get this done. 278 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:45,920 >> Yep. 279 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,600 >> I think 50 lots wouldn't take a ton of 280 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,079 time to contact the, 281 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:51,040 you know, we might [snorts] be able to 282 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,680 dwindle that list down by 20 lots, you 283 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,199 know, in the first round and see where 284 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:57,120 we're at from there before we move on to 285 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,480 another approach. 286 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,279 >> Yep. 287 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:02,800 >> Do you need a motion, Tammy? 288 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:03,440 >> Yes, I do. 289 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,640 >> Okay. Is anybody anything else you want 290 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,280 to I mean, I'm fine with proceeding with 291 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,480 this. Okay, I'll make a motion. Second. 292 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,839 >> All right, we have a motion and a second 293 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,199 to uh move forward the Good Neighbor lot 294 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:19,360 acquisition program. Any other 295 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,679 discussion or comments? 296 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:23,199 >> Okay, can we have roll call, please? 297 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:24,400 >> Council member Turpin, 298 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:24,799 >> yes. 299 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:25,439 >> Winter, 300 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:25,839 >> yes. 301 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:26,319 >> Karns, 302 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:26,720 >> yes. 303 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:27,199 >> Lee, 304 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:27,600 >> yes. 305 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,400 >> Oren, yes. 306 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:28,880 >> Sely, 307 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,200 >> yes. 308 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:29,840 >> Dman, 309 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,520 >> yes. 310 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,240 >> Okay. Thanks. 311 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,320 >> Thanks, Sammy. 312 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:39,760 >> Okay. Uh the 2B item, the um discussing 313 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,480 the meeting for next Tuesday. 314 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,039 Uh 315 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,200 I guess I wanted to start with the 316 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,760 council and what your thoughts are and 317 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,200 how you want the meeting to run. Um 318 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,120 how you want to gather information, what 319 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,559 your I guess what's the what are we 320 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:00,559 getting out of the meeting on the first? 321 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,559 Are we are you looking to gather 322 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,480 information? Are you looking to stick 323 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,240 specifically to the ordinance? What 324 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,840 what's the because I think that's going 325 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,799 to matter how we frame the meeting. Um 326 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,840 how what you're looking for? 327 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,679 Does that make sense? 328 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:17,360 >> I think at this point, my opinion is we 329 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:18,559 stick to the ordinance. I'm going work 330 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:19,600 on the ordinance and 331 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,722 >> work on the ordinance. Okay. 332 00:18:21,722 --> 00:18:22,400 [clears throat] 333 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,679 And my thought was and I think done with 334 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:28,240 council member Winter that 335 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,120 there are all these sections and you 336 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,280 know like say if we talk about water we 337 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,240 talk about power whatever um we if we're 338 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,120 going to talk about water let's talk 339 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,960 about water let's not talk about 340 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,280 everything else let's just talk about 341 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,320 that particular section of water or if 342 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,080 we talk about power let's talk about 343 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,480 that particular section 344 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,559 If we're talking about setback, let's 345 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:56,480 talk about that particular section for 346 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 setbacks and and let's not let's go 347 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,720 right through the the draft as it as it 348 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,600 is now and then just say, okay, you 349 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,240 know, here's here's what you know is in 350 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,960 draft right now. What what are all the 351 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,360 issues that concern that particular 352 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,679 section? and then say okay this is this 353 00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:22,640 uh works this doesn't work um this needs 354 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,200 to be here or this needs to be there and 355 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,679 then at the end we'll have a you know a 356 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:31,520 lot of ideas for each individual section 357 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,000 you know is it 500 ft is it 1,000 ft etc 358 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,559 is it [clears throat] monitoring of the 359 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:43,600 wells where we as council get a um 360 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 you know a monthly or quarterly an 361 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,679 annual ual bianual report of what the 362 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:52,640 that particular usage is that you know 363 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,880 so that we're looking at each individual 364 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,440 thing because it's going to be you know 365 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,200 there are so many things that are um 366 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,840 built upon the other thing as I've been 367 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,760 reading it and it's just you know we 368 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,080 need to we need to dissect it very 369 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,600 specifically 370 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,760 >> so if I gather just in short what you're 371 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,400 saying is gather information but gather 372 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,160 that information in the framework of 373 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,080 ordinance section by section. Yes, 374 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,360 >> is kind of what you're saying. 375 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:22,630 >> Okay. 376 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,480 » Anything else from anyone? 377 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,400 >> I like the idea of working through I'm 378 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,480 sorry, Janet. Go ahead. 379 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,559 >> Oh, I was uh going to say I like the 380 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:32,559 idea of literally because then it gives 381 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,799 the members that'll be speaking from the 382 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:38,080 public that kind of a schedule of this 383 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,520 is what we're going to do. Go from 384 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,000 section one to section two and work our 385 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,710 way down. It'll I think be a lot more 386 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,159 organized that way. 387 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:48,640 >> Sure. 388 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 >> And keep everybody on task. 389 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,480 >> Okay. Council member Karns, 390 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,840 >> I like the idea of working through the 391 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320 ordinance, not the roundt sessions 392 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,480 because I think everybody can get the 393 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,559 same information and I think it'll be 394 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:05,120 more productive for a final outcome. 395 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,360 >> Okay. If you're going to want, you know, 396 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,840 what the city attorney to help you draft 397 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,760 it up, um, I would suggest that 398 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,960 you do it the way council member Oberin 399 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,039 suggested. Try to collect everything 400 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:22,559 that you might potentially want to 401 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:24,960 change about each section before you 402 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,039 move to the next one and get the 403 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,200 committee's input on everything that 404 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,960 they think should be included. 405 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Get that done in a bucket. So you any 406 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,240 and then ask a final question. Anybody 407 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,840 else have anything else that they think 408 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,440 should be considered in this section? 409 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,120 Get that collected then move to the 410 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,320 next. And then when you get all those 411 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,000 note I'm going to have I'm going to be 412 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,640 on vacation but Sam is probably going to 413 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,480 be here to help with this so she can 414 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,240 take notes and go through it with you so 415 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,120 that when I get the notes back you know 416 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,679 I will see like okay this is everything 417 00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:01,520 that and then you're probably going to 418 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,360 need a second cow where you actually 419 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,280 debate what you want in and what you 420 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 don't want in. But at that first 421 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600 meeting, I would highly encourage you to 422 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,600 make sure the committee comes prepared 423 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,960 because they're the only ones that are 424 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,720 going to talk at it, not the whole 425 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,000 public because we'll never get through 426 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,799 it. Have the committee ready with a a 427 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,400 long I mean, they already have have a 428 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,320 long written list of things they want 429 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,679 that you that should be pretty 430 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:25,200 comprehensive, but I would have them 431 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,960 emphasize everything they particularly 432 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,640 want. 433 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,039 And once you're done with that, we'll go 434 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,039 to a second cow. And then that's when 435 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,280 we'll debate like what do you want in, 436 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,440 what do you want not want in. I just as 437 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,679 a scriber, I need to know what you guys 438 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,120 vote to put in and what you don't want 439 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,360 to vote to put in. 440 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,720 >> Before I can actually get down to work. 441 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,480 >> So, I like Greg's idea. I think that 442 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,080 practically speaking, if you want to get 443 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,159 an ordinance drafted, you've got to get 444 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,000 down to brass tax on what it's going to 445 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,760 say, and that's the only way to do it 446 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,200 really. [snorts] 447 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,600 >> Okay. And I think too um I don't there 448 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,520 may be um 449 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,520 >> opportunities within each section that 450 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,480 we can choose AB or C 451 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:12,799 >> right 452 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,120 >> and that's what we what we will come 453 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,320 back with a next committee the whole to 454 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,960 actually describe or actually discuss 455 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,080 and maybe um determine if we're going to 456 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,960 go with AB or C within that particular 457 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,240 section. 458 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,960 It may be that everybody's in agreement 459 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,039 on section three, so we're not going to 460 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:34,320 change that one. 461 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,280 >> But, you know, [clears throat] section 462 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,200 four, there might be five different 463 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080 opportunities to say, you know, well, 464 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,159 this or this or this or this that we're 465 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:43,919 going to have to have some very deep 466 00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:47,039 discussion on and may need to then say, 467 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,280 wait a minute, we're need to need to go 468 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,159 out to find somebody that's smarter than 469 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,799 we are in this particular section. You 470 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,480 know, like if we're talking about water, 471 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,240 we're talking about power. Those are the 472 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,559 things that are high in my mind, you 473 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,640 know, so that we can then say, okay, 474 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,600 what does this exactly mean? If you 475 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,360 know, we're going to choose A, B, or C 476 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,240 here, what does A mean in power? What 477 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,320 does B mean in power? What does C mean 478 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,120 in power? That kind of discussion. 479 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,039 >> Mayor be the second. Are we able to have 480 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,360 some kind of experts here at that time? 481 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,000 Like maybe some representatives form 482 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,679 water power to kind of help? 483 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:26,559 >> I know. 484 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,240 >> Yeah. I mean, I I think I would think 485 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,080 that the council would want to hear 486 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,159 comments from the broad range of information, 487 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,559 right, from people for against people 488 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,400 that are experts on this or or that. um 489 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,000 how we facilitate that is going to be 490 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,799 important though because uh you know 491 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,840 obviously we have to get through the 492 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,520 ordinance right so I think you have to 493 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,919 be um like we talked about you know if a 494 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:55,440 group has a spokesperson and that 495 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,600 spokesperson is the one that talks and 496 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,640 comments um it'll be hard to get through 497 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,520 um I mean it it won't be hard to get 498 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,039 through it'll just take more meetings 499 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,640 obviously which is fine we can do 500 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,480 however many meetings we need to um but 501 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,600 the more people you have comment 502 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,400 individually the more you know you I 503 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960 guess the more time so and again I'll 504 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,559 take as many meetings as we need to get 505 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,880 through it but that's something to to be 506 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,480 said 507 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,840 ma'am 508 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,029 >> got to come up to the podium please 509 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,520 » so we as a steering committee have like 510 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,279 kind of broken down different sections 511 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,440 of the ordinance and we're all doing 512 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,760 extensive research on those sections so 513 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,000 that we can discuss those sections 514 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,760 specifically 515 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,400 Um, 516 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,840 >> that would be perfect. 517 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,720 >> How many of us would you are you 518 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,799 planning on 519 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:47,760 talking with? 520 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,240 >> Well, I mean, if you had 521 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,840 I guess I'm just spitballing here, so 522 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600 I'm just thinking out loud, but if you 523 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,360 had, you know, one or two people that 524 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,200 were each section and that's those were 525 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,480 the people that commented on that 526 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,919 section. I mean, we're obviously going 527 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,000 to go through every section, so I don't 528 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,520 think that's I don't think it's a bad 529 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,400 way to do it. 530 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,919 >> Okay. Um, you know, I I guess ultimately 531 00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:09,520 we want to make sure that we're we're 532 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,440 being efficient with the time as we're 533 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,960 discussing so that when we're discussing 534 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720 it, we're discussing the topics going 535 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,320 through and we don't necessarily have, 536 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,240 you know, 25 people come up and and say 537 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,679 the same thing, you know. 538 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,520 >> So, you would say one to two people per 539 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,480 topic. 540 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,640 >> Yeah, that that's I think that's that's 541 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,679 fine. I mean, I 542 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,320 >> but we had discussed six people total. 543 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240 So, 544 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,960 >> that's about 545 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,120 >> Yeah. Yeah. What I'm concerned about is 546 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,840 we'll be here for 17 hours if the entire 547 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,840 public ches in on every single thing 548 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,279 >> on our end that we planned on taking our 549 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,840 recommendations before the meeting and 550 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000 also putting them in a letter so that 551 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,400 you would have time to review them and 552 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,799 see them and that might help us exp. 553 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,400 >> I think that's a great idea. Do you know 554 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,430 when you'll have that kind of complete? 555 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,960 » Can Kevin address that? 556 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,240 Um, 557 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,400 >> that kind of goes both ways. We we'll 558 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,159 get it to you. Our goal is to get it by 559 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:07,440 Thursday, I think we said, right? 560 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,960 Thursday or Friday of this week. 561 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,360 >> Okay. 562 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,440 >> And like I I talked to Pat earlier, I 563 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,600 have three sections Friday. Okay. So, 564 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,640 we're going to like put everything 565 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,919 together, send it to Celeste, and 566 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,919 Celeste will then forward it to 567 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:18,720 >> to the council. 568 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,039 >> Okay. 569 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:20,559 >> But the reason why I say both ways is 570 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,240 that I kind of like to have an idea as a 571 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,440 committee 572 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,960 >> what you're going to be working off of 573 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,240 because I know we've seen a couple 574 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000 different things. I mean, we got QTS's 575 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,520 recommendation that came in from July 576 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,480 29th. 577 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,679 >> Then we have what you've been working on 578 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:32,799 when we had the last planning 579 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:33,360 commission. 580 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,039 >> We're going to go off the ordinance that 581 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,240 went to the plan commission. 582 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,600 >> Okay. So, the QTS is out of the 583 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,159 equation. 584 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,000 >> Correct. That's that's not the draft 585 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,039 we're working off of. 586 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,159 >> That's what I'm getting at because if 587 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,960 this is because me directed about or 588 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720 somebody did that or no, I think Greg 589 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,840 you said about three different things. 590 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,279 You know, we're going to bury A, B, and 591 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,279 C. Well, I I don't see that completely 592 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:52,480 being the true equation because you 593 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,559 might combine A, B, and C. Yes. But 594 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:55,840 yeah, but but you don't understand my 595 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,799 point. I'm not trying to be 596 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:57,600 argumentative. 597 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,880 >> I'm just saying that but it would help 598 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,799 us to be prepared too to be able to have 599 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,320 a favorable discussion that goes both 600 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,799 ways. 601 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:03,279 >> Correct. 602 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,440 >> So if we can make sure that we have a a 603 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,440 final copy that you're working off of, I 604 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,039 think would help us as a committee too 605 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,960 to streamline, as you said, take care of 606 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,440 our time. 607 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,799 >> Christristie, can you 608 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,320 >> can you link that to the agenda? 609 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,840 >> I was planning on having it on the 610 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,360 agenda. I was just waiting for after the 611 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,200 meeting decide what what items the 612 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,360 council wanted. I would say to expect 613 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,399 the letter from us on Friday. We're 614 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:25,919 having our large group meeting on 615 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:27,760 Thursday and we want to make sure that 616 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,679 more than just the steering committee's 617 00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,320 concerns and research goes into what we 618 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,440 present to the city. 619 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 >> That's fine. So when we post the agenda, 620 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:38,000 >> do you want their letters? Do you want 621 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,600 me to wait to post the agenda to have 622 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,559 their letter there, too? I think you can 623 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,960 post the agenda tomorrow 624 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,360 >> with the draft that we'll be working off 625 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760 of and then we can amend the agenda on 626 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,799 Friday and add their um letter to it if 627 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:53,360 we'd like. 628 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,760 >> Okay. 629 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,840 >> And if I mean we can 630 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,799 >> Go ahead. [snorts] 631 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:57,840 >> I was just going to say if you're going 632 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000 to do a letter, make sure that you're 633 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,399 very precise about exactly what section 634 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,120 you're talking about. Use the ordinance 635 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,960 as as your skeleton and please indicate 636 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,039 specifically in bullet points or however 637 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,520 you want to do it all the changes you 638 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,000 think go in that section so that when 639 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,840 everybody up here reads it, they can see 640 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,039 right where you're referring. 641 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:20,720 >> Can I address you real quick and show 642 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,919 you this is kind of what we're putting 643 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:23,919 together. See if this fits your format. 644 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:24,720 >> Sure. 645 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,159 >> As long as it's clear to me. I'm just 646 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:27,919 trying to make sure that as an exercise 647 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:29,600 I'm not confused on the draft. 648 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,039 >> So this is one that I put together with 649 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:32,080 like an introduction. 650 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,080 >> Okay. So, skip the introduction, 651 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640 >> but I'm I'm I know I have we have a 652 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,320 couple folks here today. I'm assuming 653 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320 the utility partners will be in 654 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640 attendance on 655 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640 >> Tuesday as well so that if there are 656 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,039 specific questions to water, power, 657 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,240 anything like that, we'd be able to have 658 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,159 those answered. 659 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,399 >> Shaking our heads back there. Yes. Okay. 660 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,720 All right. So, what I would suggest is I 661 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,919 mean these these suggestions are are are 662 00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:03,440 good, but don't just say uh fire safety 663 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520 put the section that's in the ordinance 664 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,760 exactly what numbered paragraph it is 665 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,760 and exact use exactly the titles that 666 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,960 are currently in the ordinance. 667 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,320 >> This was strictly for discussion. 668 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,440 >> Yeah. 669 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520 What what we had talked about, we 670 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,159 talked about the formatting quite a bit. 671 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:19,520 What we're going to do is take the 672 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,760 original proposed ordinance 673 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,440 >> and we talked about a Google Docs, but 674 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,360 not everyone's down with Google Docs. 675 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840 >> It's all right. Fire chief, you have 676 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,950 comment. 677 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,480 » Just as Pat was saying, I think it's 678 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,919 important that you have all the key 679 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:37,919 players in the room because you don't 680 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,600 want anything in the ordinance that goes 681 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480 against state codes. For example, 2023 682 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,039 NAC covers electrical 683 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,320 >> and the 2024 International Fire Code 684 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240 covers the fire and a lot of electrical 685 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000 as well. So, we want to make sure that 686 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,520 there's nothing in the ordinance that 687 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,679 contradicts state law. This is difficult 688 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,679 because we don't normally write 689 00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,640 ordinances for particular businesses. 690 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,480 So, kind of write them for industry and 691 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,919 then everything that you want for that 692 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:07,360 particular business goes into that 693 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,080 development. I think I'm not sitting 694 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,240 this year, but so I just want to make 695 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,360 sure you know that we have our 696 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,440 electrical professionals here, correct? 697 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,440 For the 2023, we have the building 698 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,279 officials here. I'm here. We need to 699 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:20,559 make sure that none of those contradict 700 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,679 the same. 701 00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:23,919 >> Absolutely. Yep. 702 00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,640 >> So, the format I was saying, uh, we're 703 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,399 going to have the original ordinance 704 00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,720 that you wrote verbatim and then we will 705 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200 have like a text box with our 706 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720 recommendations. It might have excerpts 707 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,120 from what the section above it is that 708 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,120 we like put a cross through or something 709 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,679 like that, but it will be very beat 710 00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:46,559 forbeat what the ordinance has more than 711 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,880 the letter we submitted to planning and 712 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,000 zoning. 713 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320 >> Because if if they're going to debate 714 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,931 what the language should be, 715 00:31:53,931 --> 00:31:54,480 [clears throat] 716 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,399 the clearer you are on what you want 717 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,720 added and changed, the better and 718 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,799 exactly where you want it so that 719 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,559 they'll have it all in one neat basket. 720 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,159 Now, they may have other thoughts of 721 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:05,840 their own that they want to interject, 722 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,919 which they can do, but at least they'll 723 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,840 know exactly what the public committee 724 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,640 wants. 725 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,360 >> There there was one other thing. There's 726 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480 some issuance 727 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,559 that I know you had talked about at 728 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,559 planning and zoning like uh air quality 729 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,039 was one of the things that wasn't the 730 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:23,519 original. 731 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,880 >> Those will be linked on there as well. 732 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,159 The recommendation from the plan 733 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,480 commission will all be linked on there. 734 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,760 But what I'm saying is if we're going 735 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320 beat forbeat with the proposed 736 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,760 ordinance, there's no section in there 737 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,320 for that. 738 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,159 >> If you're missing Yeah. If you're 739 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,399 missing a section in the current draft 740 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:40,399 that you believe should be added, just 741 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,200 put new section one, new section two, 742 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 new section three, we can number it 743 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,440 later. Give it a title, whatever it is. 744 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240 Uh compliance with the comprehensive 745 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,159 plan, you know, whatever language you're 746 00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:55,600 suggesting. Then go to the next thing 747 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,679 you think should be added. 748 00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,679 That would be sufficient and then we can 749 00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:01,440 rewrite and re number later when the 750 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200 council gets it all collected in the 751 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,080 basket. 752 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,039 >> Sounds good. Thank you. 753 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,440 >> All right. So, 754 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,320 I guess Karen, go ahead. 755 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,080 >> Are we asking for the planning committee 756 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,919 to attend as well? 757 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,720 >> No. No. 758 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,559 >> Karen Ran, deputy zoning city. I just 759 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,080 want to make sure I sent you guys email. 760 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,840 I didn't know if everybody got it, but 761 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,360 like some of the stuff that's in this 762 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,919 ordinance isn't really a zoning 763 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:34,320 ordinance. So, as we move forward on 764 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,000 this, we need to pluck some of these 765 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,919 things out that belong in a development 766 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,320 agreement, like roads. That's not a 767 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,039 zoning ordinance issue. Also, noise, 768 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,440 vibration, pollution, those aren't 769 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840 zoning issues. Those when we talk 770 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,799 zoning, we're talking land use. Okay? 771 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,600 How's the land being used? setbacks, 772 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840 heights. What's an allowable use? Well, 773 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,073 out there it's allowable use. 774 00:33:57,073 --> 00:33:58,480 [clears throat] If I'm not mistaken, 775 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000 they could come in tomorrow and build. 776 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,919 Is that right, Pat? We don't have to 777 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:03,039 have a development agreement. We don't 778 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,240 have an ordinance right now. They could 779 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,039 build right now. 780 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,320 >> Theoretically, yes. 781 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000 >> Yes. They could come and get their 782 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 building permit tomorrow, guys, and 783 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,359 build a plant. 784 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:12,800 >> Well, they'd have to go through the plan 785 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,079 review process, but we don't have an 786 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,159 ordinance that would stop anything. 787 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,839 >> Okay. So, as we look at this land use, 788 00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:22,159 okay, we need to pluck out the things 789 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,399 that are nuisances because that's 790 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:26,079 belongs in the nuisance ordinance. We 791 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,440 need to pluck out the development 792 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,520 agreement stuff that belongs in the 793 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,159 development agreement and and focus the 794 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,040 zoning ordinance on the zoning because 795 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,800 when it's all said and done, I got to 796 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,359 enforce this or somebody else after I 797 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:40,480 win the lottery, I won't be here 798 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040 anymore. Anyway, somebody else is going 799 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,599 to have to enforce this. And you know, I 800 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,240 don't enforce noise. I'm not a noise 801 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,399 enforcer. I'm a land use enforcer. 802 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:54,399 That's what the zoning person does. 803 00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,159 >> Karen, you've started going through 804 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,079 everything too, right? With your own 805 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,160 >> I think I have the latest and greatest 806 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,440 because there were a couple of them 807 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480 floating around and I gave my 808 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,760 >> Oh, sense. 809 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,000 >> Yep. Yeah. You need to go through the 810 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,520 probably the plan commission one. just 811 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,960 the one that's linked on the plan 812 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,880 commission from July 5th. 813 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,920 >> I think you have that one. 814 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,800 >> Yeah. 815 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,040 >> Okay. 816 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,560 >> They they didn't change that. They just 817 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,839 made another document with their 818 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,400 recommendations. So that draft didn't 819 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,359 get 820 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,680 >> looked at that. It just looked like it 821 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,280 kind of looked like what these guys have 822 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,880 and they just included that and I go, 823 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520 "Okay, is this what we're looking at?" 824 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,000 So anyway, I could take a hard look at 825 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 that and we can pluck those things up. 826 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,240 >> Yeah, 827 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,839 >> they're all valid points. I'm not trying 828 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:37,200 to take away anything from what 829 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,800 anybody's saying here. They're all very 830 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960 valid points, but they don't belong in 831 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,670 the zoning ordinance. 832 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,800 » So, all right. 833 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,240 >> Hold on. Hold on. 834 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,720 >> This is this is the this is the thing. 835 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,400 Normally, Karen is right. 836 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,990 >> Normally, [laughter] 837 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560 » she is she is she is she is stating what 838 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640 is the traditional way to draft a zoning 839 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,200 code. You don't typically put in noise 840 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,560 limits and all those different types of 841 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,880 things. uh they may be regulated 842 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,240 elsewhere in the code but not 843 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,920 necessarily in zoning because that deals 844 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,359 with land use. But the trend pretty much 845 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,200 all across the United States is that 846 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,760 zoning codes regarding data centers. 847 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,240 They may not have all of the specific 848 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,200 issues that are nonzoning, but they do 849 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,760 have requirements that these plans that 850 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,440 all applicants submit, water studies and 851 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,599 things like that, including noise 852 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,119 studies and all those different things. 853 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,760 So even though it isn't traditionally 854 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,079 what is done, 855 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,520 the council can if they wish include 856 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,839 more or less every anything they want in 857 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,480 a zoning ordinance. So I'm just saying 858 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,880 that I agree with you. 859 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,640 >> I agree with you that that's not the 860 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,119 typical land use plan because 861 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,119 >> we never really ran into a hypers scale 862 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,440 data center animal before in our 863 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680 country's history. 864 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,760 But that has been the trend. So I'll 865 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920 just tell the council if you look just 866 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,960 all you got to do is do a Google search 867 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,480 for all the different ordinances and 868 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,920 you'll see that they're doing all of 869 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200 this. So I'm just saying you aren't 870 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,680 legally permitted or legally prohibited 871 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160 from including more extensive 872 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,079 requirements up front if somebody wants 873 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,920 to be an applicant to site one of these 874 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,520 things. Well, then the question 875 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,119 >> and it's a pain for Karen 876 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,280 >> because who enforces this then? Because 877 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,359 I don't have a noise or size 878 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:38,240 metering system or we don't walk around 879 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,160 with those things on our belts. But the 880 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,640 ordinance, 881 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,880 >> who's looking at the studies? Because I 882 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,480 tell you what, when the land use is 883 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,280 done, when I'm done, you know, yep, your setbacks are great, your height is 884 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,280 great, your what you're approved to use 885 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,599 is great. 886 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,520 >> That's usually where I stop. You won't 887 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,280 be able to enforce this ordinance by 888 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,760 yourself. That is for certain. You will 889 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,000 need expertise to come in and assist 890 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,040 you. 891 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,920 >> Yes. 892 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,760 >> Karen, are you able to come to the 893 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,800 meeting September 1st? 894 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,520 >> Absolutely. 895 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,160 >> Okay. 896 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,839 >> I I think what a bet I think you and 897 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,520 Karen need to I would like Karen to go 898 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,200 through it and give her input, but I 899 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,400 think maybe you guys need to talk 900 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,040 outside of this meeting on some things. 901 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,960 >> Yeah. Well, she she did red line and 902 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,040 send me a bunch of comments from Good. 903 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Well, those are things I want to see, 904 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,720 but I would need to make sure you guys 905 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,200 are on the same page as well. Yeah. 906 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,800 >> If you guys want it in this zorning 907 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040 again, how who's enforcing it and who's 908 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,119 looking at it because I'm not looking at 909 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,160 I don't look at sound waves. 910 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,520 >> We'll just give you a different title. 911 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520 >> Oh, that'd be great. [laughter] 912 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,760 >> All-encompassing. 913 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,520 >> Thank you. Thank you, everybody. 914 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,839 >> Thank you. Thanks. I guess that's the 915 00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:48,480 issue that I have then is we sp we sit 916 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,079 up here and we spend hours looking at 917 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,480 ordinances and and we put things in it 918 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,079 and then if we don't have anybody to 919 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,000 enforce it, 920 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,599 what's what's the value in it then? 921 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,040 >> Yep. 922 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,680 >> Well, most of these ordinances are 923 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,680 enforced through expert assistance 924 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,240 during the construction phase 925 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,040 and afterward. 926 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,359 It's just the that's just how it is. And 927 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,839 I it's not easy. Council member Wyers's 928 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,680 correct that it's not easy to enforce 929 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480 these. I gone blind reading about all 930 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480 the horror stories of how they tried to 931 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,480 determine, you know, if the water usage 932 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200 was actually what it was really used or 933 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,160 >> whatever or whether the noise levels are 934 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,920 what the ordinance contemplates or 935 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,280 something greater than that. And there 936 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960 are ways to enforce that. It just isn't 937 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,720 easy for Karen to do that by herself. 938 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,359 And you just need to be aware of that. 939 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:42,800 >> Okay. Perfect. 940 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,680 >> Okay. So, I guess as far as a plan 941 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,920 >> for this, we're going to start at the 942 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,359 top of that ordinance 943 00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:50,560 >> and we're going to we're going to go 944 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,359 down. 945 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:52,800 >> Is that the easiest way to do it so that 946 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000 we stay on track? We're not skipping section to section. 947 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,440 >> What if there's sections that they don't 948 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,200 have any concern with that portion? I'm 949 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,200 not saying that they do or not. I mean, 950 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,560 we just move on to 951 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,920 >> I think there probably are some things 952 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,599 in there, maybe some definitions, maybe 953 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,359 some things that there's going to be 954 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:09,200 zero controversy and we can basically 955 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,079 just check them off and move down. 956 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:13,520 I think that's the easiest way to keep 957 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,200 us on track is just go top to bottom 958 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520 instead of starting at noise and then 959 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,359 going here and then going there. And 960 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,680 obviously some of these things may uh 961 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,280 mingle together a little bit and we'll 962 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,800 just have to make sure that we're being 963 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,720 cognizant of that as we look through it. 964 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,640 So, 965 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,640 okay, 966 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,079 >> Laney, 967 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:39,270 >> good. 968 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,760 » Laney last 308 South Boulevard. Thank 969 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,760 you. I'm just trying to envision the 970 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,200 room setup at the lodge. So are you in 971 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,079 talking about council will be like you 972 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,920 are here 973 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,599 >> and then a table where like two people 974 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,319 from our group come at each section or 975 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:00,480 are you looking at a room set up where 976 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,079 there's an equal number of people 977 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,319 in a round table? Have we moved from the 978 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:09,280 round table concept? 979 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,119 >> I think we did. 980 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,440 >> I I think we have moved from the round 981 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,680 table concept. Okay. 982 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,000 >> So, I think it would be more of a 983 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,520 setting like this, but I don't know 984 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,359 exactly how that that's going to set up. 985 00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:22,960 We're going to have to figure out what 986 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,098 the most appropriate way to do it is. 987 00:41:25,098 --> 00:41:25,200 [snorts] 988 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,240 >> We're just we're wondering then so then 989 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,920 two people from our group would come up 990 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,440 and talk it 991 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,599 >> whatever section you were on in the 992 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,680 ordinance and then there'll be an area 993 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,800 for the public. 994 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,920 >> Correct. Yes. 995 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,560 >> To see that. 996 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,800 >> Well, I would I would say that you know 997 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,920 the parliamentarian is the mayor. He 998 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,680 will run the meeting. He will say, 999 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,280 "Okay, we're done with that section. 1000 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,640 We're moving to the next one." Just like 1001 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,400 we do when we go through an agenda. So, 1002 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,079 whoever's going to address that section 1003 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,640 comes up, talks, then the council 1004 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,640 discusses, throws their own two cents in 1005 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,000 on each thing. And then when everybody's 1006 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,440 done and the mayor thinks he's that's 1007 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,960 worn out, we've got everything. We're 1008 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,680 moving on. Just like that. So, it'll be 1009 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,280 just like in this room, except there'll 1010 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160 be six people sitting across the front 1011 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,680 doing all the talking for the public. 1012 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,800 And then 1013 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,520 >> but I will I will say that um I got an 1014 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,200 email and I shared it today with 1015 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040 everybody up here. I shared it with the 1016 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,720 mayor yesterday, but there is a for the 1017 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,280 data center person that wants to know 1018 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,000 when those people are going to be able 1019 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,839 to speak because if you're limiting 1020 00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:33,119 these guys to two per section, then what 1021 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:34,319 happens when you have somebody that 1022 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,920 wants to come up and speak in favor of 1023 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,359 I don't know that they're necessarily 1024 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:40,640 going to want to come up and speak in 1025 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960 favor of, you know, telling them that 1026 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,119 they don't want the setbacks to be the 1027 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,319 same, but um I I don't know what they or 1028 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,160 they were, you know, what they would 1029 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,119 want to talk about, but they feel like 1030 00:42:53,119 --> 00:43:00,400 we are excluding people that are for it 1031 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,190 and not including them. 1032 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,480 » So, okay, quiet, please. Quiet, please. 1033 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,599 Um, 1034 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,160 >> okay, that Let's let Laney finish, I 1035 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000 guess. Did you have anything else? I was 1036 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880 just wonder just trying to envision the 1037 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,560 room set up and 1038 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,240 >> where everybody will be and how many 1039 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,760 people 1040 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,839 >> you want a table where people come up 1041 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:26,000 and and back and forth because you know 1042 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240 at Lions we talk about a round table and 1043 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,480 so then we were talking as a group well 1044 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,319 is that small groups at roundts doing 1045 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:37,839 each thing and so you know we we're just 1046 00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:40,079 seeing how things are and also we 1047 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,040 appreciate your mayor Scott your 1048 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,079 interview on KO because you gave us 1049 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,319 props for the meeting at Lions and we 1050 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,000 appreciate that. 1051 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,800 >> Yeah, 1052 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,520 >> absolutely. 1053 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,440 >> If I may just kind of point out the 1054 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,839 obvious here. Um there is a lot of 1055 00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:00,240 unknown still happening and it seems 1056 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,000 that we really need to get some experts 1057 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,040 involved here. I mean, we've got the 1058 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040 fire marshal of chief, I'm sorry, I 1059 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,640 don't know the title coming up here. 1060 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,960 We've got zoning. We've got all kinds of 1061 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,079 people that are coming up and saying, 1062 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,960 "Hey, what about this? What about this? 1063 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,720 We really need to rethink this 1064 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,599 moratorum. We really do. We need experts 1065 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,599 involved in this if it's going to go go 1066 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,960 through." 1067 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,400 >> I I'm sorry. Go ahead. 1068 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,720 >> So, we've we've talked to these people 1069 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,599 that we've had groups and we've talked 1070 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,200 to the fire chief and we've talked to 1071 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,160 zoning. So, we do have this information. 1072 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,560 Unfortunately, we have not been able to 1073 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,839 share everything with you guys because 1074 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:40,560 we haven't had the type of meeting other 1075 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,319 than public comment for you guys to come 1076 00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:44,640 up and we can't respond to any of that. 1077 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,400 >> Well, respectfully Rhonda, I mean, I 1078 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,240 just heard our attorney talk about, 1079 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,920 well, you can do this. We don't know if 1080 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,040 we can do this. There is a lot here that 1081 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,400 we're all kind of going different 1082 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,040 directions, it seems. Maybe I'm wrong. 1083 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,240 And maybe that's just because we're not 1084 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,800 getting the information. 1085 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,839 I think t 1086 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,839 >> we will gladly take more information. 1087 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,480 >> T Tuesday is going to be really the 1088 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,400 first opportunity where there can be 1089 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,480 some back and forth dialogue as far as 1090 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,800 how the meeting set up. So um 1091 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,680 I think u I'm not saying there I'm not 1092 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,960 discounting what you're saying but I 1093 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,040 think we should we should go forward on 1094 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,359 Tuesday. Let's have the conversation as 1095 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,760 we're kind of talking about it. Um 1096 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,359 obviously we have not drafted an 1097 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:29,200 ordinance like this in the past, right? 1098 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,520 So, let's have that public discussion, 1099 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,680 everybody that's in the room, and if we 1100 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920 have to shift course on how we do the 1101 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,599 meeting, then then we can do that. 1102 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,040 >> I would just appreciate if we keep that 1103 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:39,440 in mind. 1104 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,800 >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think 1105 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,560 there's a perfect answer right now. Like 1106 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,920 I said earlier, I'm kind of thinking on 1107 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,119 the top of my head, I've been thinking 1108 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,880 about this for two weeks, how to do it. 1109 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,599 Um, I think we just sit down. Anybody in 1110 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,280 the public that wants to come can come. 1111 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,880 Um, I'm not trying to tell people they 1112 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,720 can't talk. I don't want to do that. I 1113 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,240 if you watch my history over the last 1114 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,319 seven years, I I generally I have never 1115 00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:59,680 told anybody they can't talk. I give 1116 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,440 them their time, right? That's that's 1117 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,960 important to me. So there are people 1118 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,880 that are for or against or whatever, we 1119 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,160 want to give them the opportunity. I 1120 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,119 just want to make sure that we're 1121 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,560 efficient with the time as we're doing 1122 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640 that so that um when we're talking about 1123 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,560 topics, we we dig into it. We get 1124 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,480 through all the data that we have. We 1125 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,560 share everything and then and then we 1126 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,400 kind of move on. The ordinance is not 1127 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,160 going to be passed on Tuesday. They're 1128 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,920 not going to be voting on anything on 1129 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,000 Tuesday. This is really going to be talk 1130 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,319 about each section, gather information. 1131 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:28,240 Um, I like more of a setting like this 1132 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,680 because I I did have uh um I I got a lot 1133 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,440 of information from meeting with with 1134 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,119 your group, right? And I want them to 1135 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:36,720 hear all the same information and I 1136 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,800 think that's important as well. Um there 1137 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,000 could be some people that show up that 1138 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,520 are for it and if they have information, 1139 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,599 we'd like to hear that as well. So 1140 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,560 >> I think that's important. 1141 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,319 >> No, we're I mean obviously we want more 1142 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,160 information. we're willing to listen as 1143 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,040 well, but 1144 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,119 >> I just want to make sure that we're not 1145 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:52,079 >> rushing through anything. 1146 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,480 >> Right. And on Tuesday, it it we the 1147 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,000 council and myself will be able to 1148 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,839 respond. So, if you came up with a point 1149 00:46:57,839 --> 00:46:59,280 or asked a question or something like 1150 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,440 that, we could then respond with, you 1151 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,880 know, maybe someone up here has the 1152 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,880 information, uh, if it's a power or 1153 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040 water question and we have Alliant and 1154 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,200 Iowa American there, we can ask them the 1155 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,880 question specifically. They can give us 1156 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,640 those answers. We can talk through it as 1157 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,319 a group. Um, we just want to make sure 1158 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,000 that we're being efficient, we're 1159 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,640 staying on task, and, you know, we're allowing everybody the the same 1160 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,400 opportunity no matter what side of the 1161 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,079 fence they are on any issue that's going 1162 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,880 through there. I guess that's my thing. 1163 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,630 >> Alliance 1164 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,079 is also on our steering committee. 1165 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,240 That's why she she's coming up. Um but 1166 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,359 to be clear, American water and Alliance 1167 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:44,079 are there in a like uh consultatory 1168 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,359 role. They are not being given weight 1169 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,359 for advocating for what they would like 1170 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:51,440 to see. 1171 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,599 >> Facts. They're there to give facts. 1172 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:54,319 >> Okay. Right. 1173 00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:55,839 >> So they're not they can't like come up 1174 00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,200 and say, "Well, I think it should be 1175 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,200 this because our business vested 1176 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,480 interest, whatever." 1177 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,040 >> Yeah. 1178 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,520 >> Well, they could. and then they're free 1179 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,760 to express anything they want. We're 1180 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,440 getting really sidetracked. This is an 1181 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,119 ordinance for data centers, not an 1182 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,359 ordinance for QTS. So, we need to stay 1183 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:14,640 focused on that and we need to put out a 1184 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,359 product that applies across the board to 1185 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:18,960 anything that meets the definition of a 1186 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,520 data center and that's what we need to 1187 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,720 focus on. 1188 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,480 >> So, they can advocate for what they 1189 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:24,720 want. 1190 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,240 >> They could just like you can advocate 1191 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,839 for your interests, they can advocate 1192 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:29,280 for theirs. Everybody has the right to 1193 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:37,430 do that. 1194 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,559 Linda Chapman, 3711 Second Avenue South, 1195 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,880 aka Mean [snorts] Girl, sixth grade 1196 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,280 girl. Um, so you're 1197 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,559 Pat was talking about 1198 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,480 dwindling it down, not having too many 1199 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,839 people. So, steering committee, but now 1200 00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:57,839 you have these other entities that are 1201 00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,079 here tonight even all in cahoots 1202 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,000 together. 1203 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,079 You got SWAT, 1204 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,960 you got Alliant, American Water. You're 1205 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,720 going to QTS, you're going to allow them 1206 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:10,240 to come to the meeting. That's fine 1207 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,720 because it's a public meeting. But are 1208 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,240 you you're going to sit there and let 1209 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,040 them speak? I know Rhonda just said 1210 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,920 they'll give factual like if someone had 1211 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,280 a question, they'd give a factual 1212 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,359 answer. Are they going to be putting 1213 00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,680 input in? because QTS already tried that 1214 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,160 by trying to sneak in their own little 1215 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,400 ordinance. So where are we going with 1216 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,920 that? 1217 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,400 >> It is a public meeting and you said 1218 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,480 you're trying to get so not very many 1219 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,240 people talk. I was also going to suggest 1220 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,000 to Rhonda how about the people like six 1221 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,880 people that are for the data center come 1222 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,920 and also discuss the ordinance that 1223 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960 night. allow them to be part of, you 1224 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,839 know, like two people per section, I 1225 00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:58,079 think Greg said, or someone said. So, 1226 00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,839 allow, 1227 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:02,160 you know, a couple people from that are 1228 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,760 for it to come and sit and talk as well. 1229 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,440 But you're not, are you letting every 1230 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,760 public person there show up and speak? 1231 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,119 Pat said no, because that would 1232 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,640 >> I'm going to try to be as fair as 1233 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,680 possible, 1234 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:15,920 >> right? 1235 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,160 >> Yeah. And we have the right to control 1236 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,920 the meeting at some point where we can 1237 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,280 say we've elected these six 1238 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,800 spokespeople. And I think we should do 1239 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,960 that. There's going to be public 1240 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,599 hearings later also where anybody in the 1241 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,599 public can come express whatever they 1242 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,680 want. But at this drafting stage, we're 1243 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,040 trying to be efficient. Also, it might 1244 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,119 be advisable for the council to set a 1245 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,160 separate work session where every 1246 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,800 anybody can come and watch, but where 1247 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,400 people that have a differing point of 1248 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,839 view, the experts for example, 1249 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,640 can come and address the council about 1250 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440 the draft, once we get the public input 1251 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,119 in and get their input, get if QTS wants 1252 00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,119 to provide its red line and have have 1253 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,960 that discussion or the water company 1254 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,559 wants to say, "Hey, this is what we 1255 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,319 think or this is what the power company 1256 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,480 wishes it thinks. The council needs all 1257 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,680 of the input. So you can the mayor can 1258 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,359 do it any way he wants. And so what 1259 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:12,720 we're doing at this first meeting I 1260 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,559 think is to get the whole citizen input 1261 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,280 first and get that going and then we'll 1262 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,119 get the technical experts maybe at his 1263 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,319 separate meeting. And I'm going to leave 1264 00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,319 that to Scott to figure out. I I don't 1265 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,400 think you need to the council does not 1266 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,559 need to be afraid that just because 1267 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,240 somebody might have some sort of vested 1268 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,760 interest that they can't speak or they 1269 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,520 can't give advice because they can and 1270 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,000 they should. They might be right about 1271 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,760 some of the stuff they say. You know, if 1272 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,599 they have experience with something, it 1273 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,400 it'd be good for for us to hear it. So, 1274 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,000 and I think you I think the council's 1275 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,770 free to do that. It's perfectly 1276 00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:44,079 [clears throat] legal. There's nothing 1277 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,400 underhanded about it. 1278 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,400 So, and as long as the public gets to 1279 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,520 watch it and you [clears throat] know 1280 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,200 they get to see it, too. We're not doing 1281 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,839 anything in secret. We, you know, that's 1282 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:54,720 okay. 1283 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,720 >> Okay. 1284 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,680 So, what's council's privy on that then? 1285 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,440 Do you want to keep those meetings, I 1286 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,520 guess, separate, so to speak, or do you 1287 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,160 want to allow public comment from from I 1288 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,680 guess we'll call it both sides at the 1289 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,760 meeting on Tuesday? 1290 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,359 >> I'd like to see it from both sides. 1291 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,559 >> Okay. I think we just have to limit that 1292 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,160 portion of the meeting so we can get 1293 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,000 some work done. 1294 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,760 >> Can we eliminate sections to 1295 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,599 five minutes? 1296 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,680 >> Well, I think there's some sections that 1297 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,800 are going to require a lot more 1298 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,880 discussion than five minutes probably. 1299 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,040 So, I don't I don't know about limiting 1300 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,920 a section to a time limit. I think you 1301 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,839 have to you got to get through it until 1302 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,079 you get through it, you know? I I don't 1303 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,680 think you can [clears throat] I don't 1304 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,280 think you can put a time limit on a 1305 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,440 section. So, yeah, 1306 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,400 >> I I think there will eventually be a 1307 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,359 time Tuesday night that all of us are 1308 00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:54,800 going to be getting tired that we're 1309 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,280 going to have to continue 1310 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,640 >> probably. Yep. 1311 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,319 >> And and continue as you know, as many 1312 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,040 times as we need to continue, you know. 1313 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,920 So I I think we just like you say start 1314 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,559 section one and just work through it and 1315 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,160 when we get to a point where you know 1316 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,126 I'm getting tired I'm getting hungry 1317 00:53:15,126 --> 00:53:16,559 [clears throat] let's let's call it an 1318 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,559 evening and set it another day 1319 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,880 >> so that we continue with 1320 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,599 >> Kevin 1321 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,280 >> just a couple things would it be 1322 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,880 beneficial for us to give you the names 1323 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,800 of the steering committee before so you 1324 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,920 know who the people are going to be 1325 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,960 speaking 1326 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,359 >> the other is um I the time limit you 1327 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,280 know just you know if you have the the 1328 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,960 steering committee individuals coming up 1329 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,720 there putting a time limit on it's going 1330 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,240 to be difficult and I think we all know 1331 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,079 that and and I want everybody to 1332 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:41,680 understand this. I know this meeting is 1333 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,119 not going to be a one and done. This is 1334 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,280 just a a start of something that could 1335 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,480 be beneficial I see for the the city. 1336 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,559 And Karen, I'm absolutely agreeing with 1337 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,800 you. I've been saying all along that any 1338 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,319 of these things that we try to put in 1339 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:55,760 place, we have to have a way to be able 1340 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,599 to enforce it. And I know Karen can't do 1341 00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,440 that. So, we have to put something in 1342 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,640 place. And that's some of the things we 1343 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,079 have to be looking at to address in the 1344 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,480 ordinance. And and again, I again I 1345 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,599 agree with Karen. I've done these 1346 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,000 before. The de development plan as well. 1347 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,280 >> Those are some things we have to really 1348 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,680 put in force. And I know Pat could 1349 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,800 probably give us some direction on that 1350 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,319 as well or give us some direction where 1351 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,559 we could go to for that third party that 1352 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:17,680 we need to be able to do those 1353 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,400 enforcements. 1354 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:18,720 >> Okay. 1355 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,079 >> And that's what I suggest we might be 1356 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,520 looking at doing to put into the 1357 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,520 ordinance and or the development plan. 1358 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,240 >> Okay. 1359 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,240 >> Thank you. Most most of the ordinances 1360 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,960 will have language in them that say um 1361 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,520 that the that the applicant will pay for 1362 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,200 whatever that engineer is that has to 1363 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,880 look at certain enforcement issues. And 1364 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,240 so that's something the council has to 1365 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:36,640 consider. 1366 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,640 >> Well, that's as I was writing my 1367 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,319 presentation, I was putting in in some 1368 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:41,520 of my I think you might have seen I 1369 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,520 wrote in there to be determined by a 1370 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,079 third party, you know, neutral or 1371 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,280 something like that. I wrote I forget 1372 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520 now, but a neutral third party that 1373 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,440 would be an expert in that field. The 1374 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,720 question is though, yeah, the person 1375 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,040 enforce it, but what's the enforcement? 1376 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,240 That's the other part that we have to 1377 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,480 define. Is it going to be a fine? Is it 1378 00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,920 going to be what? Do they have a certain 1379 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,839 time frame in which to to take care of 1380 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:03,200 these issues? These are things that need 1381 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,440 to be addressed that we have to discuss 1382 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,880 and figure out what's in the best 1383 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,920 interest for the city. 1384 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,400 >> Yep. 1385 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,920 >> So, that's why I'm saying some of these 1386 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,040 meetings are going to be continuing, I 1387 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,640 think, further down the road. This open 1388 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,800 dialogue is going to help us get there. 1389 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,400 >> Yep. Corey, 1390 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,599 >> yes, your honor. Council Porter Robinson 1391 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:23,520 3801 second south neighbors with Linda 1392 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,200 probably the most unpopular person in 1393 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,000 here as I am in favor of it. Um one of 1394 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,520 the things that we continue to talk 1395 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,200 about is environmental impact and 1396 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,040 environmental concern. What I don't see 1397 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,680 is expertise having that conversation. 1398 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,000 I'm fearful that a lot of input and a 1399 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,480 lot of influence being undue brought to 1400 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,720 the council to make decisions regarding 1401 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,240 how we're going to draft this ordinance 1402 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,520 and how we're going to include things 1403 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,920 that are already heavily regulated. I 1404 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,960 would caution council from doing that 1405 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,799 and to bring in the experts in these 1406 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,640 fields. Talk about noise and talk about 1407 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,400 water and talk about energy. There's 1408 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,160 people in the community that know these 1409 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,839 things, understand these things. I 1410 00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,000 already understand how to regulate. So, 1411 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,520 I would just make sure that we're we're 1412 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,640 getting both sides of it. I know you 1413 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,160 guys have done your due diligence, but 1414 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,280 in these conversations and debates, uh I 1415 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,960 think it's easy to be influenced one 1416 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,880 direction or the other. The second part 1417 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,200 of this is is like being in favor and 1418 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200 coming forward is not a popular thing in 1419 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,079 our community. Um, as an educated 1420 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:21,440 expert, right, I have a master's degree 1421 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,960 in environmental management. I've been 1422 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,559 doing this for a really long time. I 1423 00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:26,480 understand the environmental impact a 1424 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,880 center like this has on the community, 1425 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,680 on the water, on our resources, but to 1426 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,799 speak out uh is a challenge because 1427 00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:38,240 those that are not in favor. 1428 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,960 So, I would actually encourage you guys 1429 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,480 to get both sides, not in the same room, 1430 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,440 report both sides, share both sides, but 1431 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,880 I don't know that the conversation will 1432 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,920 be as um transparent maybe as it should 1433 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,559 be uh in the current environment that 1434 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,960 we're operating in. That's all. Thanks. 1435 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,040 >> Thank you, Corey. 1436 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,200 >> Can he be part of the conversation? He 1437 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,400 doesn't want to 1438 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,720 >> I'll happily be. I mean, 1439 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,710 >> okay. 1440 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,079 » All right. 1441 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,799 >> Okay. So, council, is there any other 1442 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:23,190 discussion? Laney? Yep. 1443 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,000 » Laney, last 308 South Boulevard. I'd 1444 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680 like to suggest some other key 1445 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,119 stakeholders that you may be 1446 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,359 communicating with like you are in the 1447 00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:36,000 agenda tonight like someone from the 1448 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,400 EPA, someone from Iowa DNR, someone from 1449 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,319 the state geologist or archaeologist 1450 00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:46,240 department because if we don't answer 1451 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,760 have those answers early on, you may be 1452 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,640 dealing with them years later. And so I 1453 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,760 just like 1454 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,520 >> to put that suggestion forward. Thank 1455 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:55,920 you. 1456 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,960 >> Thank you. 1457 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,359 >> Any other discussion or points from 1458 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:02,319 council 1459 00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:05,295 >> on how we operate Tuesday? 1460 00:58:05,295 --> 00:58:08,789 [clears throat] 1461 00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:10,079 » Do you want to schedule two separate 1462 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,000 meetings 1463 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,640 and do citizen input and then we'll call 1464 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,200 them expert or other stakeholder input? 1465 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,319 Is that how you want to do it or do you 1466 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:25,109 want to do it in one meeting? 1467 00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,880 You're not going to get even halfway 1468 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,760 through that ordinance. 1469 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,200 >> Yeah, you won't. No, 1470 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,520 >> I I think what I would suggest is that 1471 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,359 you run it like a congressional 1472 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,240 committee when you get the experts. Just 1473 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,400 get all the public input, then hold a 1474 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,599 cow with the experts and run it like a 1475 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:42,799 committee hearing where there's no 1476 00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,240 public comment. But we're going to ask 1477 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,799 you all these questions we have of you, 1478 00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:48,559 figure out who we need here, and then 1479 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:49,920 you may need to do more than one of 1480 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,799 those if people aren't available. If you need DNR, EPA, somebody region 7 1481 00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:57,599 to come here, you could do that, too. 1482 00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,359 I'm sure they would do it. They have 1483 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,839 field people they'll send to answer your 1484 00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:03,599 questions. But you can hold as many 1485 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,440 committee meetings as you want in that 1486 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,960 fashion where there is no public 1487 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,799 comment, but you can question them all 1488 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,240 you want. So, you can get all the input 1489 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,559 you need and have it open to the public 1490 00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,559 to watch, but they won't they won't have 1491 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,160 any public comment, but you'll get 1492 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,760 everything you need in an efficient way 1493 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,400 from all of them. I would suggest we do 1494 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,160 a wide openen discussion with the six 1495 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,240 member panel. Get all the public input. 1496 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,599 You can always go back to the public 1497 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,280 again later if you want more public 1498 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,240 input, but then hold succession meeting 1499 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,599 successive meetings. This is the way 1500 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,839 I've seen it done. That's how PO did it. 1501 00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:35,280 They brought people in and that's how 1502 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,520 they did it and it was an efficient way 1503 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,440 for the council to ask its technical 1504 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760 questions to the to the people that you 1505 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,799 want to call in. 1506 00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:46,960 >> Sounds good. comments on that 1507 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,480 >> and and I would just want to caution the 1508 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,240 public if that happens and you're not 1509 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,599 invited to public comment do not panic 1510 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:55,760 >> because there will be numerous other 1511 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,440 additional opportunities for you to 1512 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,440 write take notes and address the council 1513 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680 again. So it's just that they're trying 1514 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,240 to get as much as they can in there to 1515 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,839 get this thing drafted and and 1516 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:08,400 understand what they're doing. 1517 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,829 So 1518 01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:12,640 » sounds good. 1519 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,359 >> So citizen input Tuesday. Yeah. 1520 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:16,160 >> Yeah. 1521 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,720 >> Congressional hearing style uh expert 1522 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,640 input at a future meeting. 1523 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,870 >> That would be my suggestion. 1524 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,440 » Yes. 1525 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,400 >> Yeah. Yes. 1526 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:26,960 >> Yes. 1527 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,280 >> Okay. 1528 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,510 >> Are we figuring out when 1529 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:32,559 » um 1530 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,240 >> Yeah. I mean, we can figure it out now 1531 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,839 if you want. I 1532 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,040 >> think we should. 1533 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,599 >> Okay. 1534 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,760 So, Tuesday the 1st is the the citizen 1535 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,000 meeting. 1536 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,520 >> How much time does council need to 1537 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,040 digest the information that we'll get 1538 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,319 that night? We might not get through the 1539 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,400 whole ordinance either. 1540 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,200 >> Right. 1541 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,520 >> So, most likely need to get through the 1542 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,480 ordinance first. 1543 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,000 >> Y 1544 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,680 uh how about we do this? Why don't we 1545 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,559 get why don't we go to the meeting on 1546 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,160 the first with the plan that we have 1547 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:09,520 now? Uh let's get um 1548 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,960 a few dates on the calendar to continue 1549 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,240 working on this so that we have we have 1550 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,920 they could be to be determined dates I 1551 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,119 guess if we don't get through the entire 1552 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,040 ordinance that that evening. Um do we 1553 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,880 want to look at the next day on 1554 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,160 Wednesday? Do we want to look at 1555 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,160 Thursday? What is I don't know 1556 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,920 everybody's schedules and when they can 1557 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:30,480 make it. Wednesday. 1558 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,079 >> Can we do Wednesday? 1559 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,599 >> The second. 1560 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,200 >> The lodge is booked the rest of the 1561 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:35,599 week. 1562 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:36,799 >> The lodge is booked the rest of the 1563 01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:40,640 week. Wonderful. 1564 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,390 >> Um 1565 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,200 » the next available date on the lodge is 1566 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,359 well that's Labor Day. Uh so the 8th, 1567 01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:50,799 but then we have our council meeting 1568 01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:51,280 that evening, 1569 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,599 >> but then the 9th's available would be 1570 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,520 the next time. 1571 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,870 I mean, 1572 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,200 we can do the meeting here on the second 1573 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,480 if we have to. 1574 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,680 >> Yeah. I mean, they can 1575 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,200 >> Do you want to start it? 1576 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,559 >> It's not It's not perfect, obviously, 1577 01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,079 because it's not as big a space, but it 1578 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:09,520 can still be recorded. It can still be 1579 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,119 broadcast. It can still be all of those 1580 01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,680 things. 1581 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,839 >> I'd say let's keep it moving. 1582 01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:16,640 >> I agree. Okay. 1583 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,559 >> So, if we have to have it here, have it 1584 01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:19,200 here. 1585 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,720 >> All right. So, we'll we'll plan on the 1586 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,079 first at five o'clock at Eagle Point 1587 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,079 Lodge. We'll go uh through that and then 1588 01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:27,760 if we need to we'll spill over to 1589 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,400 Wednesday at five o'clock on the 2nd 1590 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,069 here 1591 01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:35,680 » and then from that point we'll have to 1592 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,799 determine [laughter] 1593 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:38,559 from there 1594 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,799 um where we're at with everything. 1595 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:44,880 >> I would set I would say experts public 1596 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,240 on one and experts on two. That way it 1597 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,440 keeps 1598 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,359 >> public on the first and experts on the 1599 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:52,960 second. That's why that way it keeps us 1600 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,880 moving. 1601 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,920 >> I don't know if you'll get through the 1602 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,520 ordinance on the first though. That's 1603 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,430 the thing. 1604 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,240 » The first, second, isn't doesn't expert 1605 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,079 opinion 1606 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,559 part of the ordinance drafting process. 1607 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:09,440 >> Yeah, they're saying that 1608 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,480 >> I mean, why would you want to get the 1609 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,240 ordinance entirely done and then seek 1610 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,079 expert opinions and then change it 1611 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:14,480 again? 1612 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,599 >> Yeah, 1613 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,760 >> it's it's getting public comment on the 1614 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,240 entire ordinance on the first or second. 1615 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,520 Well, you don't think we can? 1616 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,839 >> We've got 3 hours if it'll keep us on. 1617 01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:25,839 >> I think that should be enough. I mean, 1618 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:27,280 >> we're going to have their letter ahead 1619 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,480 of time. 1620 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,839 >> I mean, getting all the ordinance 1621 01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:31,839 actually finished, I understand, 1622 01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:33,760 probably won't occur, but I don't know 1623 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,640 why we can't get through the discussion 1624 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,680 >> on the sections. 1625 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:40,880 >> I don't expect to get through the 1626 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,079 discussion on the entire ordinance on 1627 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:42,319 the 1628 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,400 >> Why are we limited to only three hours? 1629 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,400 Why can't we just go later if we have 1630 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,240 to? 1631 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,960 If it goes any more than three hours, we 1632 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,870 lose focus. 1633 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,990 » Okay. 1634 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:00,559 » Go ahead. 1635 01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,880 >> This is a big thing. And why do we want 1636 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,599 to keep pushing, pushing, pushing? Um, 1637 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,520 you just found out about it supposedly 1638 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,520 in May and all of a sudden you just, we 1639 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,799 got to get this done. We got to get it 1640 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:13,039 done. We wanted a moratorum. You had all 1641 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,240 kinds of time to do it. Now all of a 1642 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,359 sudden, what are we gonna do the 1643 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:16,640 following day after the public 1644 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,200 discussion? What's the big push? 1645 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,640 >> Well, I'd like I'd like it to stay 1646 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,319 relevant. I'd like to remember what I 1647 01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:23,599 talked about the day before and it'd be 1648 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:25,440 nice to keep moving so I don't forget 1649 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,480 the things that we had already 1650 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,870 discussed. 1651 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,640 » Wouldn't wouldn't you agree? Like, 1652 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,559 >> well, as far as how are you going to 1653 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,240 line up these people? And if we're not 1654 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,680 done with the uh discussion on the uh 1655 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,680 ordinance, how you going to discuss the 1656 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,000 following day with the other people? Why 1657 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,200 don't you wait and see what's done with 1658 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,640 the ordinance with the public? 1659 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,079 >> I was going to make that comment. It 1660 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,240 would take time to coordinate who you 1661 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,280 want there. 1662 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,960 >> If you want the DNR, if you want those 1663 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,280 folks, it it will take some time. 1664 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,520 >> So, 1665 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,119 well, we we'd have you have to determine 1666 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:00,720 who you want to hear from and then we 1667 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,240 have to reach out and try to get them. I 1668 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,880 mean, if you want the the you know, I 1669 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,039 talked to uh the state geologist. If you 1670 01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:08,720 want him, he's not necessarily gonna be 1671 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,039 available at at our call. You know, 1672 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,240 we're going to have to coordinate that. 1673 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:12,799 So, 1674 01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,559 >> mayor, didn't they have public comment 1675 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,160 during the plan commission when they 1676 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,680 went through this? 1677 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,079 >> Yes. 1678 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,200 >> So, didn't they get a lot of their 1679 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,640 concerns out then? 1680 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,160 >> I mean, there was there was public 1681 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,960 comment at the plan commission. Yes. 1682 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,839 >> Yep. There wasn't at the last public 1683 01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:30,880 comment at the last 1684 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,520 >> at at the first one there was. Yeah. 1685 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:33,839 >> Yeah. 1686 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:37,039 >> Oh yeah. 1687 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,280 >> Yeah. So 1688 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,520 >> can I ask a question real quick? Chris 1689 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,559 Dean Boss and Clinton. Um have any of 1690 01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,960 you looked at any other ordinances from 1691 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,760 other cities other than QTS's like 1692 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,640 Debukes? 1693 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,440 >> Yes. Yes. 1694 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,160 >> You did? Okay. 1695 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,200 >> Yes. 1696 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,520 >> All right. Yep. I just asked that maybe 1697 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,039 >> Brad Brad from Debuke sent me their 1698 01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,880 packet with they had I don't know was 1699 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,559 there three or four of them in there and 1700 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,440 then our ordinance is based off um two 1701 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,760 or three different cities correct Pat as 1702 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,280 well or our draft that we have. 1703 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,000 >> It's based off 1704 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,799 18 different ordinances 1705 01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:16,240 >> including six I got from Cody and then I 1706 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,520 had one from PO that our firm worked on 1707 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,599 and then I had the Deuke one I believe 1708 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,039 was another one we looked at. So there's 1709 01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,200 a lot of 1710 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,119 >> a lot of ordinance review by everybody 1711 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,160 up here. 1712 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,200 >> If [snorts] we would have had a 1713 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,799 moratorum, 1714 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:33,680 this we wouldn't be so rushed and then 1715 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,520 this is something that we could have 1716 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,680 thought out and not feel like it's being 1717 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,319 rushed. But I feel right like right now 1718 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:43,440 and I I get it like we need to decide 1719 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,440 something but 1720 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,039 >> should have had that moratorum. 1721 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,920 >> I don't I don't think in my perspective 1722 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,119 I don't think we're rushing. I think 1723 01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:52,640 we're trying to set up work sessions to 1724 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,640 work through it, right? I think that's 1725 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,640 what my focus is and and I'm sitting 1726 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,920 here saying that I don't know if we'll 1727 01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,200 have enough time on Tuesday to finish 1728 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,319 all the way through it. 1729 01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:04,240 >> Um but you know, we council is we're in 1730 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,440 the process to get an ordinance in place 1731 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,839 and we need to work on it and and the 1732 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:09,119 only way we can do it is in a public 1733 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:11,039 meeting. So, uh I think that's really 1734 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,640 what my focus is is to get everybody 1735 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,160 together so we can have the conversation 1736 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,000 and we can work on it and the time that 1737 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,079 it takes is the time that it takes is 1738 01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,319 the way I the way I see it. So, 1739 01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:21,920 >> okay. I just hope that everybody is 1740 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:22,799 open-minded 1741 01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:23,839 >> and I can stay up later 1742 01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:25,599 >> both on our side and on the other side 1743 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,359 that everybody is open-minded. 1744 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:27,680 >> Correct. 1745 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,160 >> Thank you. 1746 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,640 >> Yes. Yes. 1747 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,960 >> All right. So, 1748 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,039 um I think we'll go with this plan. 1749 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:35,359 >> Y 1750 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,960 >> Tuesday 5:00 we'll start right away. Um 1751 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,400 we'll start working through it and we'll 1752 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,701 see how far we get and then we'll 1753 01:07:41,701 --> 01:07:42,720 [clears throat] determine what we have 1754 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,599 to do 1755 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,480 >> from there. Um, 1756 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,400 why don't we put a placeholder for 1757 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,319 Wednesday at five o'clock for this room 1758 01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:54,319 for another work session because we have 1759 01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:56,000 to have 24 hours notice. So, if we make 1760 01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,319 the notice now, if we get through if we 1761 01:07:58,319 --> 01:07:59,599 don't get through everything and we want 1762 01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,440 to operate the next day, we can. If we 1763 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,960 want to cancel it, we can cancel it as 1764 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,200 well. 1765 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,720 >> Same agenda attachments. 1766 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,880 >> Yes. Yes. I think that at least gives us 1767 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,960 a schedule a week out so we know the 1768 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,520 schedule and then we can we can deviate 1769 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,960 from that if we want. we can meet on 1770 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,880 Wednesday and go through more or we 1771 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,279 could not do it and then, you know, we 1772 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:18,960 obviously have that 24-hour notice again 1773 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,040 and we could pick a different day. 1774 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,199 >> So, at least at least we're prepared to 1775 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,120 have the the conversation the next 1776 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,199 evening if we need to. 1777 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:28,960 >> Is that is that fair? I'm guessing 1778 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,319 that's kind of what council is looking 1779 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:31,600 for. Yes. 1780 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,319 >> Yes. 1781 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,040 >> All right. Okay. 1782 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:35,600 I 1783 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,920 >> it's important everybody reads the 1784 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,319 ordinance again and again and again and 1785 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,679 comes prepared to discuss things and 1786 01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:45,759 look at just like Christine said look at 1787 01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:48,719 other ordinances there are lots out 1788 01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:51,199 there they're all a little different 1789 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,400 some are very strict some are not some 1790 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,199 have operated without them but you need 1791 01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:58,640 to come prepared so we can have a 1792 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,189 meaningful discussion 1793 01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:06,319 » agreed Okay. All right. 1794 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:10,070 >> Yes, ma'am. 1795 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,640 » Uh, [clears throat] Linda Chapman. Um, 1796 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,359 I think we are not that hostile of a 1797 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,839 group that we could not sit in a room 1798 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:23,520 with people that are for it. Um, we are 1799 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,080 neighbors. I I didn't really know he 1800 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,960 wasn't for it. I don't care. But 1801 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,560 >> yeah, we've gotten a little snarky with 1802 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,520 you guys, but we could sit in a room and 1803 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,400 be 1804 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:34,880 >> I agree. 1805 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:35,920 >> And work together. 1806 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:36,640 >> I agree. 1807 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,600 >> And on top of um the people that are for 1808 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,719 it, I've also talked to many people that 1809 01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:46,080 are against it, but they're also afraid 1810 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,920 to come out because they work for the 1811 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,400 city, they work for Alliant, they work 1812 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,960 for American Water. So that kind of goes 1813 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,760 both ways. Rhonda, they're afraid to 1814 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,920 speak out as well because of their job. 1815 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,239 They've been told not to or they're just 1816 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,000 fearful, 1817 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,560 you know, to do so. So, I think that's 1818 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,320 unfair to say that they're afraid to 1819 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,840 come out because of us cuz what we're 1820 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,600 >> Fair enough. 1821 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,760 >> Oh, okay. Sorry, you misspoke. 1822 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,600 >> But I just wanted to get that out there 1823 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,520 that that goes both ways. 1824 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,960 >> I agree. Yeah. 1825 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,000 >> Okay. 1826 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,679 >> Good. 1827 01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:27,520 All right. Uh any updates from council 1828 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,239 on anything? 1829 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:31,840 >> Nothing. 1830 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,800 coming up. 1831 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:35,440 >> No, 1832 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,440 >> just the only thing that I've been 1833 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,320 working on is um September 11th is we 1834 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,520 are doing the 25th remembrance. Um Clint 1835 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,640 Trees Forever is hosting that with 1836 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,640 police and fire and sheriff and band and 1837 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,679 choir and you know there's going to be 1838 01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:56,000 amates [clears throat] Legion are all 1839 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,840 part of that. So we're going to be doing 1840 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,800 that. Um it's going to start 9:00 on 1841 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,640 Friday, September 11th. Um we have um 1842 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,880 MTA is going to provide shuttle service 1843 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,239 for us. Um so we're expecting a big 1844 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:11,679 crowd for sure, 1845 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:13,760 >> right? It'll be a good event. So, just 1846 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,400 put that on your calendar. Yep. 1847 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,520 >> Couple weeks yet. 1848 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,600 >> Okay. 1849 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,239 Um, does anyone in here watch PBS? 1850 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:24,719 >> Yes. 1851 01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:26,400 >> PBS. [laughter] 1852 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,199 >> Yep. So last night I watched a couple on 1853 01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,480 well I downloaded the app and on PBS 1854 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,120 they have some really good interviews 1855 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,920 um on data centers with and they don't 1856 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,600 take a position on it but they've got 1857 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,760 professionals they kind of do a 1858 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,360 discussion 1859 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,560 um I actually found it pretty useful. 1860 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,280 Um, if you if you have a smart TV and 1861 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,360 you go to the PBS thing, you just type 1862 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,800 in data, there's a whole lineup and they 1863 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:03,280 were I I watched two hours worth and it it was actually pretty entertaining. 1864 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,080 The one I watched was 1865 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,080 um, Deal or Dilemma is what it's called. 1866 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,679 And it it was a pretty good one. Um, and 1867 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:14,800 then I watched another one. I can't 1868 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,520 remember the name. So, um, but I mean, 1869 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,040 if you're interested in continuing to 1870 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,000 learn more, um, I think a lot of what we 1871 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,800 see, um, it may not be real. So, um, I 1872 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,560 think it's good to get honest 1873 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,760 perspectives from people that have, uh, 1874 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,600 you know, dealt with these, have put 1875 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,880 them in their communities. you'll see uh 1876 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,880 it might give you goosebumps because the 1877 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,960 exact same situation 1878 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,080 um we've been handling here is exactly 1879 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,159 how it's gone in a lot of communities. 1880 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:49,760 Um and uh but there's good information 1881 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,840 on there. So I'd encourage you as you're 1882 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,400 learning to go out and check that out. 1883 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,239 So I'll probably go home and watch 1884 01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,719 another one tonight. So, 1885 01:12:58,719 --> 01:12:59,120 >> all right. 1886 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,159 >> On on Monday night, uh, on Riverfront, 1887 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,840 there's the overdose and addiction 1888 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,640 awareness vigil. It'll be from 4 to 1889 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,040 7:30, the band shell. 1890 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,719 >> Okay. 1891 01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:13,920 All right. Anything else from council? 1892 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:41,030 All right. We are adjourned. 1893 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,120 Heat. Heat.