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>> Good morning. Welcome to

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Colorado Springs City Council

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meeting for AUGUST. 25th 2026.

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>> Will the clerk please call

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the roll? Councilmember kc

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Councilmember Crow Anderson,

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here, councilmember Donaldson

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here, councilmember gold. Here

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I am councilmember Present in

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person. Councilmember line

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Weber. On his way excused.

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Councilmember raining here.

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Councilmember Risley here,

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Councilmember Williams here.

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Present one en route. Please

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stand for the invocation. We

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have the pleasure today.

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>> With MR. Gene or Pastor

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Chaplain, actually, it's

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chaplain James to occur from

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Stone Church. Thank you. Thank

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you.

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>> Before I offer scripture

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and prayer. We had to Socorro

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State Patrol officer shot this

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morning. On highway 24. Few

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pass. Please keep there. Their

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families and Good morning to

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city council and the staff

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into all you in this room.

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Trump's homes I would like to

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read the Lord is my light and

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my salvation whom shall fear?

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The Lord is the stronghold of

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my life of whom shall I be

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afraid hero Lord. When I cry

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aloud, be gracious to me. An

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answer me. You have said seek

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my face. My heart to you your

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face, Lord, I do seek MAY we

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bill? Our heads in prayer.

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Almighty GOD, as we gather in

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this room today. Seeking the

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presence of the spirit. Over

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Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

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And as I have commissioner

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servant to pray for City

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Council and staff. We can not

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run. A government or lines

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without the presence of our

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Lord. Made this council. All

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of us Sheikh your face daily.

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Seeking the wisdom to

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strengthen the purpose of life

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through Jesus Christ. And as

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the city Council governs the

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city. Maybe they do so as you

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guide and direct each one. We

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asked this blessing now. Upon

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this gathering in the name of

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our Lord Christ. Amen. And

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then.

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>> pledge allegiance to the

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flag. United States of America

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and to the Republic for which

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it stands. One nation under

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GOD, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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>> We will now consider the

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consent calendar. These items

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will be acted upon us a whole

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unless a specific item is

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called out for discussion by

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councilmember a citizen.

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Wishing to address council. Is

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there anyone who wishes to

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pull an item off of the

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consent calendar? Can I get a

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motion? And a motion from

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council members, Lea second

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from COUNCILMAN Casey all in

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favor. Please say Aye. In the

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Post. Moving on to item Will

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the clerk please read item

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into the record?

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>> City council appointments

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to boards, commissions and

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committees.

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>> This morning, we have

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several appointments starting

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with the airport Advisory

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Commission. A vacancy occurred

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on the airport advisory

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commission due to complete a

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term. Council members. Roland

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Iranian Kimberly Gold

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recommended elevating Mike

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Bird. He was served as an

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alternate member since OCTOBER

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of 2025. To a voting member

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position. Additionally, they

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recommended a reappointment of

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John Eastman Council members

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to have anything to

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>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

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And good morning. All that are

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in Rome and of course, online.

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airport. The advisory

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commission is always that

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quiet group in the background

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and a lot of people don't get

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to see their interactions and

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what they're doing for us. On

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behalf of the citizens of

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Color Springs at our airport.

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And the people that volunteer

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their time its to

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professionals. And what I mean

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by that is some are just

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regular volunteers, but

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majority of them are

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individuals that have career

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in aviation have ran a small

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general aviation airports. So

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we're getting the best of the

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best on these commissions and

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it was a very easy decision to

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recommend individual to level

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from primary on the

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commission. Matter of fact,

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that individual ran a small

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out in Kansas City. And and of

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course, now he's here. Former

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Airflow Marine retired. So I

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think a phenomenal choice.

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Great individual and more than

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happy and excited to actually

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have him be active member on

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the commission. Now.

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>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

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I'd like to echo councilmember

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Remy statements and just give

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a big thank you to John and

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Mike for their continued

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service. The airport is the

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front door of Colorado Springs

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and they're doing a lot of

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unglamorous behind the scenes

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things to really elevate our

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airport. So thank you,

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everyone for their service.

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And thank you, MADAM

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>> Next we have Pikes, Peak

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Area Council of Government

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Community Advisory Committee.

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A vacancy occurred on the

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Pikes Peak Area Council of

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Government Community Advisory

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term on JULY. 24th Council

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real and rainy, interviewed

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applicants. Gregory Charter is

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recommended for appointment as

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a voting member council. Of

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>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

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another commission that I'm

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liaison to.

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speaker calls for government

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responsibility is you to

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integrate? Find out what's on

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your mind and bring that back

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to the advisory committee

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granted to have very specific

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areas that they focus on

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dealing with transportation,

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military land use. Entering

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out there engaging with all of

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you in the community. And I

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know they're going to continue

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to do that. Lot of great that

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was tough. One of the probably

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most tough interviews that

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I've had 13 well qualified

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applicants Merritt at down

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made this election and the

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individual that we end up

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selecting is someone who's

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really integrated into the

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community. And I'm looking

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very much forward. Not think I

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see him in the room. I thought

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I did that Gregory is going to

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represent you all well. So

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thank you very much, MADAM

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>> Next, we have county city

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drainage board. A vacancy

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occurred on the county city.

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Drainage were due to a

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complete a term on AUGUST 18

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Councilmember Kate and Casey

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in Paso County Commissioner.

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Bill, why someone with a Paso

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manager and engineering

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manager the City Public works.

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Division manager, an

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engineering technician and the

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board chair. Interviewed

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applicants. Tim Martin was

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recommended for appointment as

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a voting member council Casey

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>> Just that, MISTER Tomorrow

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will be ago. Excellent

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addition to the to the

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>> If there are no additional

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comments, we have a motion

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from COUNCILMAN Gold in a

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second from councilmen, rain

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or Casey. Let's bow.

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>> The motion passes 8 to 0.

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Moving on to item 6. Is there

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any mayor's business today?

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>> Yes, just a few just

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reminder that this is so cold

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start of week. And so we've

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got a host of events and their

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community celebrating in

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assisting folks that are

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starting small businesses and

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a number of members of council

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been involved in small

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businesses starting up and

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continuing. Want to make sure

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that folks have an opportunity

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get to start up week. You'll

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see. About a dozen more events

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still to take place this week.

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And at the end of the week, we

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have the legislative barbecue

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down at Colorado State. Fair.

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special things going on and

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then Thursday morning there is

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a special announcement Weidner

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field and that'll be great for

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our community. Thanks.

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>> Uganda item 8, a will. The

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clerk please read item 8 a and

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8 be into the record.

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>> It an ordinance amending

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part 5 claims management

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procedures. Chapter one

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administration, personal

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finance, the code of the city

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of Colorado Springs in upper

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teens claims management ab in

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ordinance amending parts. 6

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workers compensation article 5

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finance management procedures

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to provide administration

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personal finance the code of

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the city cars from 2001 is in

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the Upper 10. You to workers.

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management. Good morning,

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>> Good morning. PRESIDENT

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Kerr Iris and pro temp Risley

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and members of City Council.

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My name is John Hunter. With

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Car Springs Utilities. And I'm

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here this morning, too.

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Present on the proposed city

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code amendments. This

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presentation will cover both

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items to 95 2.96. If we go

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ahead and go to that site.

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Should work. There's really 2

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key points to these code

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amendments. The first is a

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more formal separation between

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the city and the utilities for

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their claims and workers comp

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funds. They are currently

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separate funds that are

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tracked separately. But this

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code change would formalize

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that separation. And secondly,

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the transfer of the management

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of these 2 funds from their

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current state with the city

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cfo being the manager overall

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funds to amending that to have

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the utility cfo manage the

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claims and workers come fund

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for utilities. And that's all

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I have. Unless you have any

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questions. At this time, I'd

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like to Tim Shriver are from

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the city attorney's office to

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tweak to one of the

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ordinances. Good Morning City

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Council. 10 shatter the city

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Attorney's office and the

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Tribune Office.

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>> And Item 8, a we're

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amending Article 5 Chapter one

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section 1, 5, 5, 0, 3, The

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very first line, it says

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currently says.

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>> The city and utilities show

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investigate. It should say the

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city or utilities. And so we

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asked when you make the motion

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to prove this, that

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acknowledge that amendment. So

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that portion. Thank COUNCILMAN

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Dawson.

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>> Yeah, MADAM PRESIDENT, sir,

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if you could say up there.

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I've made the motion

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electronically. So I would

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just like to clarify that for

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the city clerk to amend its my

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motion is amended to states.

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Rather than and. That. That's

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correct, right? Correct. And

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Section 1, 5, 5, 3,

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>> COUNCILMAN Hinton, are you

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good, sir?

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>> I am. I would just request

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the email that to so that we

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get the right line. Number

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page number cited in the

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minutes. Please. Yes, I'll do

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that.

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>> Yes, thank you, MADAM

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PRESIDENT it. Could you just

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explain the importance says

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because the each fund is being

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managed. Separately, each.

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>> Utilities and city will

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each investigate and settled

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or compromise their own

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claims. So as it's currently

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it's just really reading is

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basically saying that both

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city and utilities well

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investigate both claims. And

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so we're just making a

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distinction that. Both

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entities are going to

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investigate, settle compromise

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their own claims separately.

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>> Have a motion from council

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Madonna Senate, a second from

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COUNCILMAN, rainy. Let's vote

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on item 8, a

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>> and the motion passes 8 to

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0.

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COUNCILMAN Donaldson. It went

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away. Okay.

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>> 8 have a

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>> motion from COUNCILMAN

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Donna Son in a second from

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COUNCILMAN, rainy. Let's vote

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on item 8 b. And the motion

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passes 8 to 0. Moving on to

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item 8 c will the clerk please

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read item 8 c into the record.

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Public hearing for the

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consideration of proposed

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changes as provided in colors

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from she till it is JULY 2026.

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Net metering rate case.

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>> Good morning. Thank you.

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Good morning. I'm Chris Widlic

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senior attorney with the city

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Attorney's Office Utilities

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Division.

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>> I'm going to get you

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started on utilities rate case

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this morning by running

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through the instructions

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explaining the process that

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will be followed in today's

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hearing. The City Council's

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authority to establish reach

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charges and regulations for

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utility services. It's

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contained in the Colorado

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Constitution. Cars, statutes,

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city Charter City Code

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Council's rules and

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procedures. Article 20 of the

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Colorado Constitution provide

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City Council with the

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authority to establish

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electric, natural gas, water

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and wastewater rates, charges

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and regulations. Article 6 of

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the city charter also provides

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the 30 to operate those

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systems. The power to

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establish tariffs for electric

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and natural gas services

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provided inside municipal

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limits lies exclusively with

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City Council. City Code

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Section 12, 1, 1, 0, 8, e

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directs the city council to

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establish rates for electric

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and natural gas service that

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are just reasonable sufficient

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and not unduly discriminatory.

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Under Colorado revised statute

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section 43.5, 102, the city

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council's rate setting

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decisions for electric natural

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gas customers outside

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municipal limits are not

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subject to review by the

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Colorado Public Utilities

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Commission so long as the

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rates and charges are dental

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those inside municipal

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Typically rates or consider

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just unreasonable if the rates

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balance one, the utilities

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interest recovery of

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legitimately incurred costs

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and a reasonable return on

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investment, dedicated utility

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service and 2, the customer's

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interest in being assessed

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charges that approximate the

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cost associated provision of

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utility service. Part 4, the

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rules and procedures of City

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Council together with Section

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12, 1, 1, 0, 8, of the city

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code set forth a process that

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govern City Council hearing

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hearing today. In setting

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rates charging regulations for

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electric service, utilities,

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rules and regulations. City

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Council is acting in its

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legislative role. The written

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materials you have received as

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well as the oral presentations

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and testimony of this public

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hearing will constitute the

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record of that hearing. Today.

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You'll hear the JULY 2026 net

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metering rate case which

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involves tariff proposals to

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the electric service and

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utilities rules and

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regulations. At the conclusion

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of the hearing. I will assist

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determining what issues have

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identified and asked for a

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preliminary decision on those

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issues. Based on that, I will

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draft a just decisions and

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orders for your review. Those

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decisions and orders will be

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reviewed at your work session

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meeting on SEPTEMBER. 21st.

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And you'll be asked to adopt

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the resolutions at the regular

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meeting on SEPTEMBER 22nd. For

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an effective date as was to

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his proposals of APRIL. First,

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27. At this point in the

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proceeding. I would ask that

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of any city council members

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had any material

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communications related to the

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rate case. Prior to today's

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hearing that they be included

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for the record. Council.

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Michael Williams. Good

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morning. Thank you. PRESIDENT

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I'm just curious as to why

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that's question us because got

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rid of

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>> the expert, a portion of

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this. But does this to play a

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role?

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>> There's no prohibition on

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those communications. We do

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ask that they be included now

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so that all councilmembers are

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aware of all material

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communications related to the

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rate case.

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>> So that all councilmembers

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are working from the same

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collection of facts and making

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your decisions. How much time

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do you have for us to list all

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those communications? I mean,

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we've all had.

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>> Communications right with

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countless individuals. So how

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would you like us to? That's

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why we asked for it to be

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material or a summary of.

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>> For example, I received a

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number of communications firm

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constituents concerned with x,

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y z so that it's understood

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that everybody's aware of what

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communications have happened.

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Okay. Maybe I speak for all 9

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of us name but it can object

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that we have received.

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>> Countless emails. Had

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meetings with constituents and

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communication, Kerr Springs

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utilities as well. So I'm

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pretty sure that holds true

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for myself and probably the

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other 8 of us. As Williams

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>> that's COUNCILMAN Line

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River. Yes, I've countless

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meetings emails and I've

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talked to utilities and all

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stuff that Brandi said.

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>> COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

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>> Yeah, thanks, MADAM

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PRESIDENT and also received

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I'm not sure dozens, maybe

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maybe 50 to 100 emails and I

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tried to reply to every one of

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those except the ones from

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this morning. Very few

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in-person meetings. That's it.

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>> Thank COUNCILMAN

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>> I thank you, MADAM

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PRESIDENT. Yes, I too, have

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received dozens and dozens of

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I don't know. Since the

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beginning probably well over

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100 emails. I have had

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conversations with numerous

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rate pairs with a net metering

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customers. I have spent

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probably more time than

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Tristan would care to remember

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with the cfo seeking to

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understand the rate case. And

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I've done a fair amount of

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research and reading on my own

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as well. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay. Moving on to the council

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in kc.

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>> Yeah, participated in all

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Coral Springs, Georgia board

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meetings and discussions

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regarding that received read

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all of the all council e-mails

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regarding that bitter.

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>> COUNCILMAN Gold. COUNCILMAN

579
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Remy, I mean, this Sorry,

580
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Risley same as everybody else.

581
00:22:18,217 --> 00:22:21,217
>> I also received many emails

582
00:22:21,387 --> 00:22:22,822
and I have met with

583
00:22:22,822 --> 00:22:24,822
constituents utilities.

584
00:22:26,792 --> 00:22:27,493
>> And so did I just want to

585
00:22:27,493 --> 00:22:30,965
make sure for the record that

586
00:22:30,965 --> 00:22:32,965
I stated it.

587
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>> Are you on the record a

588
00:22:35,936 --> 00:22:38,439
long record? All 9 on the

589
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record. I have a down. Thank

590
00:22:39,106 --> 00:22:42,106
you. Next up, turnover to

591
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utilities for their

592
00:22:43,211 --> 00:22:43,879
presentation. Utilities has

593
00:22:43,879 --> 00:22:44,512
requested that questions be

594
00:22:44,512 --> 00:22:47,982
held until the end of the

595
00:22:47,982 --> 00:22:48,617
presentation. If possible, so

596
00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:49,318
they can be efficient in

597
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presenting their material as

598
00:22:49,985 --> 00:22:52,385
quickly as possible. Thank

599
00:22:55,158 --> 00:22:55,892
you.

600
00:22:55,892 --> 00:22:56,559
>> COUNCILMAN, whenever have a

601
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comment or used, have your

602
00:23:01,932 --> 00:23:02,565
name up. Yeah. Let's that

603
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continues to happen this

604
00:23:12,844 --> 00:23:14,844
morning. Thank you.

605
00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:17,820
>> Good morning. Good morning.

606
00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,149
Members of City Council. My

607
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:18,851
name is Tristan. You're hurt

608
00:23:18,851 --> 00:23:21,851
and the cfo, Colorado Springs

609
00:23:23,122 --> 00:23:23,756
Utilities. Diving right into

610
00:23:23,756 --> 00:23:25,658
the great options that we

611
00:23:25,658 --> 00:23:26,693
would like to be able to

612
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discuss today. I wanted to

613
00:23:27,326 --> 00:23:29,726
start with the underlying

614
00:23:30,897 --> 00:23:32,766
issue. We're trying to solve.

615
00:23:32,766 --> 00:23:34,233
The net metering program has

616
00:23:34,233 --> 00:23:35,803
been successful helping our

617
00:23:35,803 --> 00:23:36,470
customers adopting rooftop

618
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:38,870
solar and bring renewable

619
00:23:40,374 --> 00:23:41,800
energy to our system. This

620
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,800
proposal is not about the

621
00:23:44,179 --> 00:23:46,113
value of solar energy. Our

622
00:23:46,113 --> 00:23:46,748
current rain challenge is that

623
00:23:46,748 --> 00:23:49,148
solar customers can earn

624
00:23:50,419 --> 00:23:51,190
energy credits. 4 d time

625
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:53,190
production. When powers

626
00:23:55,191 --> 00:23:56,492
cheaper. Well, still relying

627
00:23:56,492 --> 00:23:57,793
on the utility's grade when

628
00:23:57,793 --> 00:23:58,460
solar production is reduced or

629
00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,797
unavailable in our cost of

630
00:24:00,797 --> 00:24:03,197
powers more expensive. The

631
00:24:05,301 --> 00:24:07,137
helpful analogy. Is your line.

632
00:24:07,137 --> 00:24:07,871
Blackout dates. The airlines

633
00:24:07,871 --> 00:24:10,774
know that they have a small

634
00:24:10,774 --> 00:24:11,441
number of travel days but are

635
00:24:11,441 --> 00:24:14,450
their busiest of the entire

636
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:17,645
year. The plan for those days

637
00:24:17,848 --> 00:24:18,550
and terms of infrastructure

638
00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:19,251
employees, all of the things

639
00:24:19,251 --> 00:24:19,918
that they have to be able to

640
00:24:19,918 --> 00:24:21,553
support those days and the

641
00:24:21,553 --> 00:24:23,953
price, according. Our utility

642
00:24:24,923 --> 00:24:26,923
system. Electric System

643
00:24:27,726 --> 00:24:28,861
operates in a similar fashion.

644
00:24:28,861 --> 00:24:30,429
We have a small number of

645
00:24:30,429 --> 00:24:31,130
hours that we build our system

646
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:34,730
forward to be able to handle

647
00:24:36,603 --> 00:24:38,271
our peak capacity. We have to

648
00:24:38,271 --> 00:24:39,172
make sure that we maintain

649
00:24:39,172 --> 00:24:41,172
enough generation substations,

650
00:24:43,477 --> 00:24:44,378
transformers transmission. And

651
00:24:44,378 --> 00:24:46,213
distribution facilities to our

652
00:24:46,213 --> 00:24:49,213
highest on demand. Peak hours

653
00:24:51,218 --> 00:24:52,386
for all of our customers. The

654
00:24:52,386 --> 00:24:53,210
difference is that airlines

655
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:56,210
use those peak periods to

656
00:24:56,358 --> 00:24:57,393
maximize profits. As a

657
00:24:57,393 --> 00:24:57,959
municipal utility. We're

658
00:24:57,959 --> 00:24:59,959
focused on equitable

659
00:25:01,797 --> 00:25:03,432
allocation of costs. Our goal

660
00:25:03,432 --> 00:25:04,167
is to ensure all customers who

661
00:25:04,167 --> 00:25:06,567
depend on the grand

662
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:08,804
contributed appropriate share

663
00:25:08,804 --> 00:25:09,773
of the cost required to

664
00:25:09,773 --> 00:25:12,173
maintain the road reliability

665
00:25:17,415 --> 00:25:18,480
for our grid infrastructure.

666
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,284
District. This graphic in

667
00:25:19,284 --> 00:25:22,884
front of you shows why the

668
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:25,421
peak demand matters. Utilities

669
00:25:25,824 --> 00:25:27,693
builds 22% of our electric

670
00:25:27,693 --> 00:25:30,930
infrastructure for 4% of the

671
00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:33,366
time get any given year.

672
00:25:33,366 --> 00:25:34,990
That's almost a quarter of our

673
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:36,200
infrastructure that's there to

674
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,836
support 4% of the time in any

675
00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:40,806
given year. And most of that

676
00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:42,209
is a very focused time from

677
00:25:42,209 --> 00:25:42,876
really around 03:00pm until

678
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:45,276
09:00pm that we're building

679
00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:49,917
that 22% of our system. We

680
00:25:49,917 --> 00:25:50,617
cannot build our system for

681
00:25:50,617 --> 00:25:53,617
average. Get for only average

682
00:25:54,622 --> 00:25:55,323
conditions. Our system must

683
00:25:55,323 --> 00:25:57,723
support moments when everyone

684
00:25:58,860 --> 00:25:59,862
wants power. At the same time.

685
00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:00,496
The need for peak capacity is

686
00:26:00,496 --> 00:26:02,896
what drives a significant

687
00:26:05,568 --> 00:26:06,702
portion of our costs. The key

688
00:26:06,702 --> 00:26:07,770
takeaway is that while daytime

689
00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:10,170
net metering energy credits

690
00:26:10,273 --> 00:26:11,241
reduce energy purchases, they

691
00:26:11,241 --> 00:26:11,908
do not eliminate peak

692
00:26:11,908 --> 00:26:14,308
infrastructure that we must

693
00:26:21,652 --> 00:26:22,887
build maintain. Approximately

694
00:26:22,887 --> 00:26:23,587
7 per cent of total

695
00:26:23,587 --> 00:26:25,987
residential peak demand comes

696
00:26:26,157 --> 00:26:28,250
from that metering customers.

697
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:29,600
Based on our cost of service

698
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,262
analysis serving that 7% of

699
00:26:30,262 --> 00:26:30,928
net metering customers cost

700
00:26:30,928 --> 00:26:33,328
about 6.5 million dollars a

701
00:26:36,268 --> 00:26:37,502
year. In infrastructure costs.

702
00:26:37,502 --> 00:26:39,272
Under the current net metering

703
00:26:39,272 --> 00:26:41,608
rate structure, only about

704
00:26:41,608 --> 00:26:42,342
2 million of that 6.5 million

705
00:26:42,342 --> 00:26:43,800
is recovered from net metering

706
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,800
customers through kilowatt

707
00:26:46,846 --> 00:26:48,248
hour charges. The remaining 4

708
00:26:48,248 --> 00:26:49,116
and a half million. It's not

709
00:26:49,116 --> 00:26:50,584
recovered from those net

710
00:26:50,584 --> 00:26:51,251
metering customers whose usage

711
00:26:51,251 --> 00:26:53,454
does contribute to the peak

712
00:26:53,454 --> 00:26:56,454
demand that we must serve.

713
00:26:57,958 --> 00:26:58,860
Those costs don't disappear.

714
00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:59,561
They're built into into total

715
00:26:59,561 --> 00:27:03,161
rates, passed on to non that

716
00:27:04,899 --> 00:27:07,299
metering customers. As an

717
00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:10,390
organization 4 and a half

718
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:12,107
million dollars is effectively

719
00:27:12,107 --> 00:27:13,760
a starting in the hole. And we

720
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:13,810
look at other virtual power

721
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:16,810
plant programs and demand side

722
00:27:18,681 --> 00:27:19,349
management programs. This

723
00:27:19,349 --> 00:27:20,500
hampers our ability to fund

724
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,500
programs that can bring more

725
00:27:23,821 --> 00:27:24,521
value from renewables.

726
00:27:24,521 --> 00:27:25,690
Batteries, powered batteries

727
00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:27,591
paired with solar. A game

728
00:27:27,591 --> 00:27:30,591
changer as they have the

729
00:27:31,195 --> 00:27:33,640
ability reduce peak demand. In

730
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,299
all of the discussions we've

731
00:27:35,299 --> 00:27:36,201
had as we've been going the

732
00:27:36,201 --> 00:27:37,936
net metering conversations.

733
00:27:37,936 --> 00:27:40,206
I've discussions with many

734
00:27:40,206 --> 00:27:42,240
customers on that have solar

735
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,110
some customers that have solar

736
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:45,430
and battery seeing the way

737
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:45,745
that the battery operates with

738
00:27:45,745 --> 00:27:47,714
that solar is truly a

739
00:27:47,714 --> 00:27:49,683
game-changer for us as a

740
00:27:49,683 --> 00:27:52,830
utility company. It allows

741
00:27:52,252 --> 00:27:54,252
those solar installations

742
00:27:54,321 --> 00:27:56,190
truly reduce the need of that

743
00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:56,890
peak infrastructure. And

744
00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:59,590
that's where we would like to

745
00:27:59,590 --> 00:28:00,495
be able to get to as a utility

746
00:28:00,495 --> 00:28:01,328
as being able to encourage all

747
00:28:01,328 --> 00:28:02,997
those things. But when we look

748
00:28:02,997 --> 00:28:04,365
at the dollars that are

749
00:28:04,365 --> 00:28:05,299
available and we're starting 4

750
00:28:05,299 --> 00:28:06,435
and a half million dollars in

751
00:28:06,435 --> 00:28:07,636
the hole, it is hard to be

752
00:28:07,636 --> 00:28:11,236
able to get the math calculate

753
00:28:14,644 --> 00:28:17,800
out for those programs. That's

754
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:17,747
a quick overview of the rate

755
00:28:17,747 --> 00:28:20,150
case of why we're bringing

756
00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:21,551
this before City council. With

757
00:28:21,551 --> 00:28:23,119
that, I'm going to turn over

758
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,854
some of the details of the

759
00:28:23,854 --> 00:28:26,854
case to our pricing rates

760
00:28:39,137 --> 00:28:40,205
manager, structural.

761
00:28:40,205 --> 00:28:42,107
PRESIDENT

762
00:28:42,107 --> 00:28:44,507
Cry Ruston PRESIDENT Pro 10

763
00:28:44,543 --> 00:28:45,244
risley members of City Council

764
00:28:45,244 --> 00:28:48,214
enterprise rates. Happy to be

765
00:28:48,214 --> 00:28:49,281
here this morning. And before

766
00:28:49,281 --> 00:28:52,881
we dive into the really the

767
00:28:52,885 --> 00:28:53,519
details of the case.

768
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:54,287
>> Want to state for the

769
00:28:54,287 --> 00:28:56,589
record that are filing does

770
00:28:56,589 --> 00:29:00,189
comply with city code and the

771
00:29:00,394 --> 00:29:01,940
rules and procedures as

772
00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:03,397
outlined by the time line and

773
00:29:03,397 --> 00:29:04,231
the procedural compliance.

774
00:29:04,231 --> 00:29:06,631
Particularly and we'll go

775
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:07,602
through all the states. But

776
00:29:07,602 --> 00:29:08,970
with our pulmonary filing to

777
00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:10,772
the office of the city

778
00:29:10,772 --> 00:29:11,840
auditor, our distribution of

779
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,741
our rate filing to the city

780
00:29:12,741 --> 00:29:14,643
clerk, members of council

781
00:29:14,643 --> 00:29:16,979
posting it for the public as

782
00:29:16,979 --> 00:29:19,482
well as the city attorney's

783
00:29:19,482 --> 00:29:21,417
office on JULY 14th City

784
00:29:21,417 --> 00:29:24,387
Council did set today's rate

785
00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:25,121
hearing date and then MR. Win

786
00:29:25,121 --> 00:29:28,721
over the cap. The schedule for

787
00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:35,700
the decision in orders.

788
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,690
Proposal does include changes

789
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:41,690
to our electric rate schedules

790
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,506
as well as rules and

791
00:29:42,506 --> 00:29:43,408
regulations. Go over the

792
00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:44,750
changes to electric rate

793
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:46,210
schedules in more detail on

794
00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:49,447
the next slide. Before I leave

795
00:29:49,447 --> 00:29:50,490
this light, I wanted to cover

796
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:50,616
the proposed changes to

797
00:29:50,616 --> 00:29:52,616
utilities are rules,

798
00:29:55,188 --> 00:29:57,188
regulations. Particularly our

799
00:29:57,524 --> 00:29:58,258
proposal always gives net

800
00:29:58,258 --> 00:30:00,658
metering customers the benefit

801
00:30:01,328 --> 00:30:03,264
of their own production. So

802
00:30:03,264 --> 00:30:04,640
that always are able to use

803
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:04,731
their own generation to offset

804
00:30:04,731 --> 00:30:07,131
their consumption from the

805
00:30:08,836 --> 00:30:09,570
grid. Clarifying that in our

806
00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:12,373
rules and regulations for rate

807
00:30:12,373 --> 00:30:13,507
options that have a demand

808
00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:15,907
charge. We're adding a

809
00:30:16,244 --> 00:30:16,978
statement in our rules and

810
00:30:16,978 --> 00:30:19,114
regulations under the building

811
00:30:19,114 --> 00:30:19,815
demand definitions to clarify

812
00:30:19,815 --> 00:30:22,584
that for net metering options

813
00:30:22,584 --> 00:30:23,319
with the demand charge that

814
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,686
demand is measured off the net

815
00:30:24,686 --> 00:30:27,686
demand. So the demand really

816
00:30:29,192 --> 00:30:29,959
pulled from utility system.

817
00:30:29,959 --> 00:30:32,290
The other change to utilities,

818
00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:34,429
rules and regulations is

819
00:30:34,797 --> 00:30:37,197
clarifying that for our

820
00:30:37,634 --> 00:30:38,335
commercial industrial dynamic.

821
00:30:38,335 --> 00:30:40,735
Great stretch with Switching

822
00:30:41,138 --> 00:30:41,738
its part me that that also

823
00:30:41,738 --> 00:30:44,138
applies to net metering

824
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:46,644
customers. So utilities.

825
00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:47,945
Commercial and industrial rate

826
00:30:47,945 --> 00:30:49,214
classes are defined by the

827
00:30:49,214 --> 00:30:50,915
size of the customers load,

828
00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:53,315
for example, small commercial

829
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:54,954
customers. Our customers under

830
00:30:54,954 --> 00:30:56,954
kilowatts, medium commercial

831
00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:59,592
customers are between 10 and

832
00:30:59,592 --> 00:31:01,592
50 kilowatts, large commercial

833
00:31:02,495 --> 00:31:03,229
or are between 1500 kilowatts

834
00:31:03,229 --> 00:31:05,629
and industrial customers start

835
00:31:07,768 --> 00:31:09,690
over 100 kilowatts demand as

836
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:11,690
customers loads naturally

837
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,730
change over time through

838
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:13,875
expansion or other drivers. If

839
00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:18,750
they grow from a from a load

840
00:31:20,148 --> 00:31:21,349
10 kw 2, 12 kw, for example,

841
00:31:21,349 --> 00:31:23,170
or from 12 kw. 22 w they moved

842
00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:24,853
to the appropriate rate class.

843
00:31:24,853 --> 00:31:25,554
And we're just adding that

844
00:31:25,554 --> 00:31:26,454
clarification that works for

845
00:31:26,454 --> 00:31:29,454
our non solar customers over

846
00:31:29,592 --> 00:31:31,427
clarifying. That also works.

847
00:31:31,427 --> 00:31:32,695
And what we're proposing is

848
00:31:32,695 --> 00:31:33,362
that same principle apply to

849
00:31:33,362 --> 00:31:35,762
net metering commercial and

850
00:31:37,567 --> 00:31:38,168
industrial customers. MR. Bit

851
00:31:38,168 --> 00:31:39,269
like indicated that our

852
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:40,700
proposal is for these rates to

853
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,700
take effect. APRIL. First in

854
00:31:43,908 --> 00:31:44,575
the filing that we provided to

855
00:31:44,575 --> 00:31:47,378
counsel and to the clerk's

856
00:31:47,378 --> 00:31:48,460
office on JULY, 7th, of

857
00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:48,979
course, contained the full

858
00:31:48,979 --> 00:31:50,615
detail of our proposal,

859
00:31:50,615 --> 00:31:52,615
including our reports

860
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:53,552
resolutions, tariff sheets and

861
00:31:53,552 --> 00:31:56,552
all the support of materials

862
00:32:00,426 --> 00:32:01,930
and worksheets. Really diving

863
00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:02,427
into detail of the proposed

864
00:32:02,427 --> 00:32:04,364
changes to the electric rate

865
00:32:04,364 --> 00:32:06,266
schedules. You see there

866
00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:08,301
really categorized into the 6

867
00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:08,935
main categories with the

868
00:32:08,935 --> 00:32:10,370
predominant one being the

869
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:12,500
addition of new rate options

870
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,405
for residential and commercial

871
00:32:15,876 --> 00:32:16,577
net metering customers and

872
00:32:16,577 --> 00:32:17,678
we'll go over those. Yeah, a

873
00:32:17,678 --> 00:32:20,381
little more detail in the next

874
00:32:20,381 --> 00:32:23,284
few slides. But both energy

875
00:32:23,284 --> 00:32:23,852
wise, great options for

876
00:32:23,852 --> 00:32:24,553
residential and small

877
00:32:24,553 --> 00:32:26,888
commercial customers as well

878
00:32:26,888 --> 00:32:27,756
net metering demand options

879
00:32:27,756 --> 00:32:29,725
for residential commercial

880
00:32:29,725 --> 00:32:31,725
customers. Probably. Our

881
00:32:32,662 --> 00:32:33,296
proposal does include

882
00:32:33,296 --> 00:32:36,296
establish an of a 5 year

883
00:32:37,867 --> 00:32:38,901
grandfathering. Period for

884
00:32:38,901 --> 00:32:39,702
existing net metering

885
00:32:39,702 --> 00:32:42,702
customers so that they can

886
00:32:42,805 --> 00:32:43,506
stay on the current frozen

887
00:32:43,506 --> 00:32:46,710
rate schedule for a period of

888
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:48,546
5 years. So any customer that

889
00:32:48,546 --> 00:32:51,516
has a net metering agreement

890
00:32:51,516 --> 00:32:52,183
dated prior to APRIL of 27 can

891
00:32:52,183 --> 00:32:52,817
maintain can remain on the

892
00:32:52,817 --> 00:32:55,217
frozen rate schedule that

893
00:32:56,421 --> 00:32:57,188
they're currently on until

894
00:32:57,188 --> 00:32:59,588
2032 at which time maybe

895
00:32:59,725 --> 00:33:03,325
transition to one of the new

896
00:33:06,666 --> 00:33:07,399
great options of their choice.

897
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:08,101
Additionally for industrial

898
00:33:08,101 --> 00:33:10,501
customers that are currently

899
00:33:11,104 --> 00:33:11,771
on a frozen industrial rate

900
00:33:11,771 --> 00:33:14,171
schedule for proposing that

901
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:16,844
they be moved to the standard

902
00:33:16,844 --> 00:33:17,544
energy wise, right option for

903
00:33:17,544 --> 00:33:20,544
that class to customers that

904
00:33:22,583 --> 00:33:23,651
they're in. Additionally,

905
00:33:23,651 --> 00:33:24,285
we're proposing the removal of

906
00:33:24,285 --> 00:33:26,685
the indefinite Kerry for

907
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:28,756
adoption currently. Electric

908
00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:29,491
rate schedules provide a net

909
00:33:29,491 --> 00:33:31,891
metering customers. The option

910
00:33:33,495 --> 00:33:35,230
of choosing to. Continually

911
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:36,331
roll forward their excess

912
00:33:36,331 --> 00:33:37,660
production credits not only

913
00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:38,340
month to month, but at the end

914
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:38,901
of the calendar year. The

915
00:33:38,901 --> 00:33:41,871
standard is for customers to

916
00:33:41,871 --> 00:33:42,771
receive Bill credits at the

917
00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:45,875
end of the calendar year for

918
00:33:45,875 --> 00:33:47,770
their bank of excess

919
00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:48,512
production credits. Our

920
00:33:48,512 --> 00:33:49,178
proposal is to in that

921
00:33:49,178 --> 00:33:50,614
indefinite Kerry for option

922
00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:52,550
that customers currently

923
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:53,484
elect. We do propose that

924
00:33:53,484 --> 00:33:56,287
customers that have made that

925
00:33:56,287 --> 00:33:58,687
selection prior to APRIL 27.

926
00:33:58,923 --> 00:34:01,926
It can maintain that option as

927
00:34:01,926 --> 00:34:03,762
long as they remain on the net

928
00:34:03,762 --> 00:34:06,762
metering demand option of rate

929
00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:10,690
as the energy wise, net

930
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:10,736
metering option does not have

931
00:34:10,736 --> 00:34:13,136
that carryforward aspect to

932
00:34:15,809 --> 00:34:16,509
the kilowatt hours.

933
00:34:16,509 --> 00:34:18,509
Additionally, we're proposing

934
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:21,411
increasing the current limit

935
00:34:22,883 --> 00:34:24,840
on system size which is

936
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,484
currently limited at 120% of

937
00:34:27,588 --> 00:34:29,900
the customers annual Killen.

938
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,900
Our usage we're proposing to

939
00:34:33,128 --> 00:34:35,290
increase that to 200%. And as

940
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:36,310
MISTER, your heart indicated,

941
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:36,732
this increasing system size

942
00:34:36,732 --> 00:34:39,732
peers very nicely with future

943
00:34:43,390 --> 00:34:43,673
battery programs. Also

944
00:34:43,673 --> 00:34:45,508
proposing to broaden net

945
00:34:45,508 --> 00:34:48,411
metering in the industrial for

946
00:34:48,411 --> 00:34:50,213
industrial customers to

947
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:52,182
include availability 2 meters

948
00:34:52,182 --> 00:34:53,250
that are total lies or

949
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,186
aggregated loads. There's a

950
00:34:55,186 --> 00:34:57,120
small number of industrial

951
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,656
customers that are on a campus

952
00:34:59,656 --> 00:35:02,893
type setting. So they have a

953
00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:04,429
large facility continuous

954
00:35:04,429 --> 00:35:07,429
campus and they MAY receive

955
00:35:07,466 --> 00:35:09,267
electric service for multiple

956
00:35:09,267 --> 00:35:11,270
points and for their billing

957
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:12,204
purposes, we total lies those

958
00:35:12,204 --> 00:35:14,173
individual meters and

959
00:35:14,173 --> 00:35:15,508
aggravated loading, do them

960
00:35:15,508 --> 00:35:16,508
appropriately so that their

961
00:35:16,508 --> 00:35:17,510
overall campus is being billed

962
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:18,770
for their total usage and not

963
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:20,477
having to build each

964
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:23,140
individual meter. Currently,

965
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:25,950
our net metering rescheduled

966
00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:28,622
does limit. Net metering

967
00:35:28,622 --> 00:35:29,223
service to U.S. Servicemen are

968
00:35:29,223 --> 00:35:29,856
so they only be able to

969
00:35:29,856 --> 00:35:32,930
receive service at one of

970
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:33,994
those individual meters. We're

971
00:35:33,994 --> 00:35:36,197
proposing to broaden that in

972
00:35:36,197 --> 00:35:36,998
the circumstances so that the

973
00:35:36,998 --> 00:35:37,665
whole aggravated lower the

974
00:35:37,665 --> 00:35:40,665
Custer customer can be net

975
00:35:46,842 --> 00:35:47,676
metered. We've included table

976
00:35:47,676 --> 00:35:48,310
here just as a reference of

977
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:50,710
which rate options we're

978
00:35:50,846 --> 00:35:53,846
proposing to be available for

979
00:35:54,784 --> 00:35:55,485
different customer Class s

980
00:35:55,485 --> 00:35:56,520
particularly you can see for

981
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,855
residential and small

982
00:35:57,855 --> 00:36:00,255
commercial customers. As I

983
00:36:01,858 --> 00:36:02,826
indicated, customers that have

984
00:36:02,826 --> 00:36:05,826
net metering dream. It's dated

985
00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:06,965
prior to APRIL. First of 2027

986
00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:08,933
MAY remain on the frozen rate

987
00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:10,100
schedule for 5 years. Honoring

988
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:12,401
there. Previous investments in

989
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:16,242
their solar system. That is a

990
00:36:16,242 --> 00:36:17,510
default grandfathering. So no

991
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:18,110
action is needed on the

992
00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:19,178
customer's behalf to be

993
00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:21,578
grandfathered if approved by

994
00:36:21,881 --> 00:36:23,449
City Council. And that is true

995
00:36:23,449 --> 00:36:24,150
for both residential small

996
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:24,884
commercial customers as well

997
00:36:24,884 --> 00:36:26,219
as medium and large commercial

998
00:36:26,219 --> 00:36:28,388
customers remain on their

999
00:36:28,388 --> 00:36:30,788
frozen rate schedule through

1000
00:36:34,327 --> 00:36:34,962
2032. New net metering

1001
00:36:34,962 --> 00:36:35,796
customers. Customers with

1002
00:36:35,796 --> 00:36:38,196
agreement after APRIL. First

1003
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,870
2027. The standard option for

1004
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:43,171
residential and small

1005
00:36:43,171 --> 00:36:45,571
commercial customers. Is that

1006
00:36:46,108 --> 00:36:46,774
an energy wise net standard

1007
00:36:46,774 --> 00:36:48,110
option, which provide more

1008
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:50,880
details on that on the next

1009
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,848
slide. And then in addition to

1010
00:36:52,848 --> 00:36:54,150
that standard option, they

1011
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:56,550
have alternate choice option

1012
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,722
of the net metering demand

1013
00:36:58,722 --> 00:36:59,288
option for customers in the

1014
00:36:59,288 --> 00:37:01,288
residential and small

1015
00:37:01,925 --> 00:37:02,659
commercial customer Class s.

1016
00:37:02,659 --> 00:37:05,590
4, medium and large commercial

1017
00:37:07,231 --> 00:37:08,932
classes. Proposing that any

1018
00:37:08,932 --> 00:37:09,766
new customers. So again,

1019
00:37:09,766 --> 00:37:12,166
customers with net metering

1020
00:37:12,403 --> 00:37:13,572
agreement stated after APRIL.

1021
00:37:13,572 --> 00:37:14,205
First 27, their standard rate

1022
00:37:14,205 --> 00:37:15,940
would be the net metering

1023
00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:18,760
demand option. And as I

1024
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,145
mentioned on the previous

1025
00:37:20,145 --> 00:37:21,130
slide, there's a small number

1026
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:21,714
of industrial customers that

1027
00:37:21,714 --> 00:37:24,714
currently our net meter. But

1028
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:26,920
on the frozen industrial rate

1029
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,586
schedule for proposing that

1030
00:37:27,586 --> 00:37:28,287
they moved from the frozen

1031
00:37:28,287 --> 00:37:30,890
rate schedule to the standard

1032
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:30,723
energy wise rate schedule.

1033
00:37:30,723 --> 00:37:33,723
Apply couple to that rate

1034
00:37:39,232 --> 00:37:41,936
class. Really going over more

1035
00:37:41,936 --> 00:37:42,670
detail on our proposed rate

1036
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:43,237
options and the rates shown on

1037
00:37:43,237 --> 00:37:44,839
this slide are really

1038
00:37:44,839 --> 00:37:47,239
applicable to the residential

1039
00:37:48,477 --> 00:37:49,110
net metering customers. And

1040
00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:51,510
this again, the standard

1041
00:37:52,247 --> 00:37:52,915
option that's being proposed.

1042
00:37:52,915 --> 00:37:54,716
For new customers starting

1043
00:37:54,716 --> 00:37:57,116
APRIL first. 27, if approved.

1044
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,560
The rate design for would be

1045
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,793
the standard for grandfathered

1046
00:38:02,793 --> 00:38:04,793
existing customers starting

1047
00:38:08,832 --> 00:38:10,000
APRIL. 2032. I would add that

1048
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,734
grandfathered customer with

1049
00:38:10,734 --> 00:38:12,570
the next 3 meter new agreement

1050
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:14,380
dated prior to APRIL. First,

1051
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:16,775
27 wants to go on one of these

1052
00:38:16,775 --> 00:38:18,876
new options. They're free to

1053
00:38:18,876 --> 00:38:20,912
do so. But they're able to

1054
00:38:20,912 --> 00:38:21,813
maintain remain on the frozen

1055
00:38:21,813 --> 00:38:24,813
rate up until APRIL first. 32,

1056
00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:27,320
if they choose. The rate

1057
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,221
design for the energy, why

1058
00:38:29,221 --> 00:38:31,621
standard option includes the

1059
00:38:31,924 --> 00:38:34,324
access and facilities spurred

1060
00:38:34,995 --> 00:38:36,620
a charge. The great access

1061
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:37,531
charge. It really covers the

1062
00:38:37,531 --> 00:38:38,198
cost MR. Gearhart described

1063
00:38:38,198 --> 00:38:40,598
that infrastructure cost of

1064
00:38:41,302 --> 00:38:42,469
serving the people odes is

1065
00:38:42,469 --> 00:38:43,203
included in that one dollar

1066
00:38:43,203 --> 00:38:47,403
per day charge of the new grid

1067
00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:49,410
access charge. Again, rate

1068
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,460
option includes the energy

1069
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:55,117
wise on and off peak rates. So

1070
00:38:55,117 --> 00:38:56,151
customers are only build the

1071
00:38:56,151 --> 00:38:58,120
on and off peak rates for

1072
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:58,787
their next consumption, energy

1073
00:38:58,787 --> 00:38:59,488
that their polling from the

1074
00:38:59,488 --> 00:39:01,957
grid during the applicable on

1075
00:39:01,957 --> 00:39:02,625
or off peak periods and any

1076
00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:05,250
excess production that they

1077
00:39:06,196 --> 00:39:07,630
have during those. On and off

1078
00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:08,832
period. So any production that

1079
00:39:08,832 --> 00:39:09,566
they have in addition to what

1080
00:39:09,566 --> 00:39:11,966
their their systems generating

1081
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,436
addition, what they're using

1082
00:39:16,173 --> 00:39:18,275
compensated in terms of. In

1083
00:39:18,275 --> 00:39:18,943
terms of monthly bill credits

1084
00:39:18,943 --> 00:39:22,543
at the applicable on an off

1085
00:39:23,215 --> 00:39:25,717
peak rates as well. So it does

1086
00:39:25,717 --> 00:39:27,452
maintain that one to one value

1087
00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:28,420
between what is being charged

1088
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:31,556
for energy and what is being

1089
00:39:31,556 --> 00:39:33,626
credited for energy based on

1090
00:39:33,626 --> 00:39:36,463
the applicable on an off peak

1091
00:39:36,463 --> 00:39:37,463
period rate. And then just

1092
00:39:37,463 --> 00:39:38,164
like all customers, these rate

1093
00:39:38,164 --> 00:39:39,766
schedules are subject to the

1094
00:39:39,766 --> 00:39:40,467
electric cars to adjustment as

1095
00:39:40,467 --> 00:39:43,467
well as the electric capacity

1096
00:39:45,572 --> 00:39:47,508
charge. Some advantages of

1097
00:39:47,508 --> 00:39:48,175
this rate are that they are

1098
00:39:48,175 --> 00:39:50,575
consistent with the energy

1099
00:39:50,678 --> 00:39:53,780
wise rates that likable

1100
00:39:54,716 --> 00:39:55,750
broadly residential and

1101
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:56,450
commercial customers really

1102
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:59,621
all customers with the on and

1103
00:39:59,621 --> 00:40:02,490
off pricing windows, the great

1104
00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:03,659
access charge does provide

1105
00:40:03,659 --> 00:40:04,660
Bill stability. There's been

1106
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:07,600
some comments concerns about

1107
00:40:08,398 --> 00:40:11,834
the demand option and how MAY

1108
00:40:11,834 --> 00:40:14,234
have bill volatility because

1109
00:40:14,971 --> 00:40:16,600
of the 15 minute Grays peak

1110
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,841
demand. The grid access charge

1111
00:40:17,841 --> 00:40:19,644
really does provide a

1112
00:40:19,644 --> 00:40:21,778
averaging effect of that

1113
00:40:21,778 --> 00:40:23,778
infrastructure cost across

1114
00:40:23,915 --> 00:40:26,718
time frames across across the

1115
00:40:26,718 --> 00:40:27,819
whole set of customers. So it

1116
00:40:27,819 --> 00:40:28,986
provides great they'll

1117
00:40:28,986 --> 00:40:29,855
stability but still recovers

1118
00:40:29,855 --> 00:40:30,555
that infrastructure costs that

1119
00:40:30,555 --> 00:40:33,555
utilities incurs to serve the

1120
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:36,996
people oats. There are

1121
00:40:36,996 --> 00:40:38,164
opportunities for this rate

1122
00:40:38,164 --> 00:40:39,310
option to work with a battery

1123
00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:41,660
in terms of avoiding those net

1124
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:43,466
consumption on charges. But

1125
00:40:45,972 --> 00:40:49,572
also being able to just shift

1126
00:40:49,776 --> 00:40:51,745
usage to peak period to

1127
00:40:51,745 --> 00:40:52,412
minimize the amount energy

1128
00:40:52,412 --> 00:40:53,460
customers pulling from the

1129
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:56,460
grid during those on peak

1130
00:40:58,819 --> 00:40:59,453
hours. And again, the the key

1131
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:00,922
distinction between this

1132
00:41:00,922 --> 00:41:03,392
option in the next option that

1133
00:41:03,392 --> 00:41:04,920
will cover is that this option

1134
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920
credits a customer for their

1135
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:09,640
excess production monthly in

1136
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,640
terms of dollar amount. Bill

1137
00:41:12,836 --> 00:41:13,536
credits to their electric bill

1138
00:41:13,536 --> 00:41:14,204
and those excess Cohen hours

1139
00:41:14,204 --> 00:41:17,804
do not carry forward to the

1140
00:41:21,544 --> 00:41:23,800
subsequent month. Covering the

1141
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,281
next option. So again, this is

1142
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:26,681
a alternate rate that's

1143
00:41:28,218 --> 00:41:28,920
available by choice for

1144
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,220
customers and the residential

1145
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:33,422
small commercial classes. This

1146
00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:36,610
rate design is also that is

1147
00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:36,961
the one that is standard for

1148
00:41:36,961 --> 00:41:38,296
medium and large commercial

1149
00:41:38,296 --> 00:41:39,731
customers. The rate shown here

1150
00:41:39,731 --> 00:41:41,934
again are the residential and

1151
00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:43,870
small commercial customer

1152
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:45,405
rate. But it does feature the

1153
00:41:45,405 --> 00:41:46,710
access and facilities charge

1154
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:49,710
per day covering all that

1155
00:41:49,809 --> 00:41:50,811
customer related costs. That

1156
00:41:50,811 --> 00:41:52,412
the man charge is based on the

1157
00:41:52,412 --> 00:41:54,812
greatest 15 minute demand in

1158
00:41:55,249 --> 00:41:55,950
the billing period. It is

1159
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,950
seasonally differentiated. So

1160
00:41:59,453 --> 00:42:01,522
it has not a lower winter

1161
00:42:01,522 --> 00:42:02,123
demand charge rate and a

1162
00:42:02,123 --> 00:42:02,789
higher summer 8 really

1163
00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:05,789
nearing. That's the cost of

1164
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:06,862
our system cost. And the

1165
00:42:06,862 --> 00:42:07,562
demands in our system which

1166
00:42:07,562 --> 00:42:10,562
are highest during the summer

1167
00:42:12,801 --> 00:42:14,370
period. It also features the

1168
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:15,771
access and facilities per kwh

1169
00:42:15,771 --> 00:42:19,371
charge. So this is the energy

1170
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:21,311
Charge Bay Street portion so

1171
00:42:21,311 --> 00:42:22,712
this charge along with

1172
00:42:22,712 --> 00:42:24,470
electric cost adjustment and

1173
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:25,480
the guests, the electric

1174
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
capacity charge are those net

1175
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:29,486
meter charges that are

1176
00:42:29,486 --> 00:42:30,187
essentially when there's

1177
00:42:30,187 --> 00:42:32,423
excess production, the value

1178
00:42:32,423 --> 00:42:34,825
of these energy charges is

1179
00:42:34,825 --> 00:42:35,694
carried forward from month to

1180
00:42:35,694 --> 00:42:37,462
month, similar to under the

1181
00:42:37,462 --> 00:42:39,862
current rate structure. So

1182
00:42:41,399 --> 00:42:42,340
this operate just as the

1183
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:43,368
current net metering rate

1184
00:42:43,368 --> 00:42:44,700
options do with that monthly

1185
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:46,470
carryforward in for customers

1186
00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:48,908
that have elected that

1187
00:42:48,908 --> 00:42:49,575
indefinite carryforward option

1188
00:42:49,575 --> 00:42:51,975
prior to APRIL. First, 27.

1189
00:42:53,246 --> 00:42:55,248
Continues to carry forward

1190
00:42:55,248 --> 00:42:56,316
indefinitely. That distinction

1191
00:42:56,316 --> 00:42:57,160
here between this rate in the

1192
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,420
current rate again is really

1193
00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:00,860
that new demand charge

1194
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:00,720
covering that system.

1195
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,720
Infrastructure costs for

1196
00:43:05,293 --> 00:43:07,394
certain picked a man. The

1197
00:43:07,394 --> 00:43:08,960
bandages with rate is at the

1198
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:08,830
customer, really values that

1199
00:43:08,830 --> 00:43:12,430
one to one carry forward, an

1200
00:43:12,501 --> 00:43:13,167
offsetting future usage with

1201
00:43:13,167 --> 00:43:13,869
previous excess production.

1202
00:43:13,869 --> 00:43:16,869
This rate option allows them

1203
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:19,741
to do that. And again, this

1204
00:43:19,741 --> 00:43:20,410
option can complement the

1205
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:22,810
battery program and really

1206
00:43:24,848 --> 00:43:25,649
help a customer offset

1207
00:43:25,649 --> 00:43:27,551
minimize that the man charged

1208
00:43:27,551 --> 00:43:28,252
if they're using a battery to

1209
00:43:28,252 --> 00:43:30,386
mitigate the amount of demand

1210
00:43:30,386 --> 00:43:31,222
during those on peak periods.

1211
00:43:31,222 --> 00:43:34,822
But even without a battery, a

1212
00:43:35,193 --> 00:43:37,593
customer can have opportunity

1213
00:43:38,362 --> 00:43:39,960
for Bill savings either

1214
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,299
shifting usage to the off peak

1215
00:43:41,299 --> 00:43:42,534
period just as all of our

1216
00:43:42,534 --> 00:43:45,269
solar customers can try to do

1217
00:43:45,269 --> 00:43:47,505
under energy wise. But also by

1218
00:43:47,505 --> 00:43:48,506
staggering usage of appliances

1219
00:43:48,506 --> 00:43:50,443
across the Olympic period and

1220
00:43:50,443 --> 00:43:51,977
not stacking appliance use on

1221
00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:52,679
top of each other, which is

1222
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,546
what drives demand to kind of

1223
00:43:54,546 --> 00:43:55,749
add incrementally on top of

1224
00:43:55,749 --> 00:43:58,149
each other. Those 2 things

1225
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:59,753
help even demand through

1226
00:43:59,753 --> 00:44:02,753
through the month in lower

1227
00:44:10,665 --> 00:44:12,367
demand charges. Slide

1228
00:44:12,367 --> 00:44:13,201
illustrates the estimated bill

1229
00:44:13,201 --> 00:44:15,470
impacts. We did utilize

1230
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:17,805
comprehensive set of data of

1231
00:44:17,805 --> 00:44:19,742
over 8400 net metering

1232
00:44:19,742 --> 00:44:20,575
customers to complete this

1233
00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:22,975
rate design has really

1234
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:27,116
documented in our work sheets.

1235
00:44:27,116 --> 00:44:27,816
And this table really

1236
00:44:27,816 --> 00:44:29,816
illustrates estimated impact

1237
00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:33,389
of these proposed rates. Or

1238
00:44:33,389 --> 00:44:35,326
and and these these are shown

1239
00:44:35,326 --> 00:44:36,694
in 2027 terms. But again, with

1240
00:44:36,694 --> 00:44:38,462
the 5 year grandfathering

1241
00:44:38,462 --> 00:44:40,531
period, these are the

1242
00:44:40,531 --> 00:44:41,165
estimated impacts after that

1243
00:44:41,165 --> 00:44:41,866
five-year period when the

1244
00:44:41,866 --> 00:44:44,866
customer transition to one of

1245
00:44:45,102 --> 00:44:46,938
the new rate options, you can

1246
00:44:46,938 --> 00:44:49,730
see that the under either

1247
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:51,473
option, the estimated impact

1248
00:44:51,876 --> 00:44:53,679
is to be approximately $38 per

1249
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:54,647
month again, that's average

1250
00:44:54,647 --> 00:44:57,470
throughout annual period. So

1251
00:44:59,518 --> 00:45:01,518
averaging 12 monthly bills.

1252
00:45:01,754 --> 00:45:02,488
And it's really if you look at

1253
00:45:02,488 --> 00:45:04,224
the different colors on the on

1254
00:45:04,224 --> 00:45:06,624
the chart, it's really

1255
00:45:08,628 --> 00:45:10,898
distinguish between the the

1256
00:45:10,898 --> 00:45:12,320
great option, the energy wise

1257
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,320
with the grid access being

1258
00:45:15,903 --> 00:45:17,238
option that blue portion of

1259
00:45:17,238 --> 00:45:18,640
the bill being that great

1260
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,274
access charge. Really? That

1261
00:45:19,274 --> 00:45:21,674
average unit that average

1262
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,212
impact. Of that infrastructure

1263
00:45:24,212 --> 00:45:26,612
costs being recovered that

1264
00:45:26,715 --> 00:45:29,715
charge. But through a stable

1265
00:45:29,852 --> 00:45:31,154
rate and then through option,

1266
00:45:31,154 --> 00:45:34,154
too. It's really the demand

1267
00:45:34,891 --> 00:45:36,459
charges making up the the cost

1268
00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:37,126
of that infrastructure cost

1269
00:45:37,126 --> 00:45:39,526
again, subject to customer

1270
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:40,831
control of that demand. In

1271
00:45:40,831 --> 00:45:43,231
both cases recovering that $38

1272
00:45:44,302 --> 00:45:46,270
per month, which is that

1273
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,710
estimated amount that

1274
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:47,738
infrastructure costs currently

1275
00:45:47,738 --> 00:45:50,738
not being recovered and are

1276
00:45:52,311 --> 00:45:52,944
pure volumetric charge. So

1277
00:45:52,944 --> 00:45:55,944
with that just wanted to

1278
00:45:59,585 --> 00:46:01,920
highlight. Not only did

1279
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,320
utilities engage in public

1280
00:46:06,526 --> 00:46:07,394
outreach to. Explain and

1281
00:46:07,394 --> 00:46:10,394
promote our proposal. But we

1282
00:46:11,231 --> 00:46:12,132
engaged in extensive customer

1283
00:46:12,132 --> 00:46:12,867
research and engagement in

1284
00:46:12,867 --> 00:46:13,569
developing this proposal

1285
00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:15,969
really started really started

1286
00:46:16,571 --> 00:46:18,971
last fall, but really

1287
00:46:20,608 --> 00:46:22,711
accelerated this JANUARY with

1288
00:46:22,711 --> 00:46:24,612
comprehensive customer both

1289
00:46:24,612 --> 00:46:25,279
solar customers and non solar

1290
00:46:25,279 --> 00:46:28,279
customers in an open survey

1291
00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:31,418
really to collect feedback

1292
00:46:31,453 --> 00:46:32,855
what's important to net

1293
00:46:32,855 --> 00:46:33,523
metering customers. And then

1294
00:46:33,523 --> 00:46:36,590
narrow the focus there with

1295
00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:37,727
some focus groups on to

1296
00:46:37,727 --> 00:46:39,727
collect some additional

1297
00:46:39,963 --> 00:46:40,830
information as we started to

1298
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:42,933
draft this proposal that

1299
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:45,333
included really the 3 pillars

1300
00:46:46,803 --> 00:46:47,405
of, you know, great access

1301
00:46:47,405 --> 00:46:49,730
option, grandfathering,

1302
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:52,730
period. And then the demand

1303
00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:53,278
charge as an op alternate

1304
00:46:53,278 --> 00:46:53,912
Customer choice, provide an

1305
00:46:53,912 --> 00:46:55,912
opportunity for customers

1306
00:46:56,347 --> 00:46:58,316
provide input on our on our

1307
00:46:58,316 --> 00:46:59,500
draft proposal, we engaged in

1308
00:46:59,500 --> 00:46:59,752
extensive outreach to

1309
00:46:59,752 --> 00:47:01,752
utilities board with

1310
00:47:02,688 --> 00:47:03,322
presentations at the Working

1311
00:47:03,322 --> 00:47:04,220
Committee meetings really

1312
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:07,220
through this spring and into

1313
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:11,559
the summer. And once we had a

1314
00:47:11,731 --> 00:47:12,399
proposal, maintain

1315
00:47:12,399 --> 00:47:14,399
communication with our

1316
00:47:14,701 --> 00:47:15,369
customers through the net

1317
00:47:15,369 --> 00:47:17,369
metering newsletter posting

1318
00:47:18,706 --> 00:47:20,807
information on csu dot org as

1319
00:47:20,807 --> 00:47:21,341
well as social media postings

1320
00:47:21,341 --> 00:47:23,741
and other forms of

1321
00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:26,881
communication. So with that,

1322
00:47:26,881 --> 00:47:28,784
that concludes my

1323
00:47:28,784 --> 00:47:30,652
presentation. And there's an

1324
00:47:30,652 --> 00:47:31,587
opportunity here for the city

1325
00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:34,587
auditor to make comments on

1326
00:47:34,957 --> 00:47:37,894
their on it. Great. Thank you.

1327
00:47:37,894 --> 00:47:38,794
Good morning. Natalie. Level

1328
00:47:38,794 --> 00:47:40,794
City auditor.

1329
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:41,865
>> And we the office of the

1330
00:47:41,865 --> 00:47:43,266
City Auditor's mandate under

1331
00:47:43,266 --> 00:47:44,767
the city charter is to review

1332
00:47:44,767 --> 00:47:47,167
the rate changes for

1333
00:47:47,437 --> 00:47:48,606
mathematical accuracy and

1334
00:47:48,606 --> 00:47:51,600
consistent methodology not to

1335
00:47:51,374 --> 00:47:53,411
recommend or oppose changes.

1336
00:47:53,411 --> 00:47:54,778
We completed our review and

1337
00:47:54,778 --> 00:47:55,513
concluded that overall

1338
00:47:55,513 --> 00:47:56,881
modifications included in this

1339
00:47:56,881 --> 00:47:59,550
rate case filing report and

1340
00:47:59,550 --> 00:48:01,550
the supporting schedules,

1341
00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:03,621
we're prepared accurately and

1342
00:48:03,621 --> 00:48:04,256
consistently methodology

1343
00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:06,225
changes were properly

1344
00:48:06,225 --> 00:48:07,192
disclosed. In the utilities

1345
00:48:07,192 --> 00:48:09,950
filing report changes were in

1346
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:10,996
alignment with the rate design

1347
00:48:10,996 --> 00:48:12,231
guidance approved by the

1348
00:48:12,231 --> 00:48:13,299
utilities board and were

1349
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:14,400
supported by the five-year

1350
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,136
rate case approved by City

1351
00:48:16,136 --> 00:48:16,736
Council effective JANUARY one

1352
00:48:16,736 --> 00:48:19,136
2025, you can take any

1353
00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:25,146
questions or any. I don't see

1354
00:48:25,146 --> 00:48:28,746
questions. So we'll move on to

1355
00:48:29,717 --> 00:48:33,187
public comment at this time. I

1356
00:48:33,187 --> 00:48:36,787
have a list of. Public comment

1357
00:48:37,358 --> 00:48:39,758
signed up in opposition.

1358
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,969
We are now doing public

1359
00:48:46,969 --> 00:48:47,670
comment. And if you signed up

1360
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:50,670
for public comment, you will

1361
00:48:55,112 --> 00:48:58,112
have 3 minutes. You'll have to

1362
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:03,487
go sign up for public comment.

1363
00:49:03,487 --> 00:49:04,456
Just want to clear name.

1364
00:49:04,456 --> 00:49:06,391
Please come forward. Make sure

1365
00:49:06,391 --> 00:49:07,459
the green button is on.

1366
00:49:07,459 --> 00:49:09,859
Introduce yourself and limit

1367
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:10,662
your comments to 3 minutes.

1368
00:49:10,662 --> 00:49:13,662
>> First up, we have John

1369
00:49:25,745 --> 00:49:27,745
Lindsay.

1370
00:49:41,997 --> 00:49:43,699
>> MR. And John Lindsay, I'm a

1371
00:49:43,699 --> 00:49:45,340
retired teaching professor of

1372
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:47,340
electrical engineering Uccs 2

1373
00:49:54,211 --> 00:49:54,945
are from this. I'm proud that

1374
00:49:54,945 --> 00:49:58,545
some of my former students now

1375
00:50:00,183 --> 00:50:02,253
work for utilities. I'm here

1376
00:50:02,253 --> 00:50:04,589
today as engineer and as a

1377
00:50:04,589 --> 00:50:05,490
customer and as a voter. And I

1378
00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:09,900
want to point out right off

1379
00:50:10,629 --> 00:50:11,295
the bat though, how solar

1380
00:50:11,295 --> 00:50:12,630
panels and our net metering

1381
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:15,630
rate is grandfathered in for 5

1382
00:50:15,567 --> 00:50:16,235
years. This fund rate. Is

1383
00:50:16,235 --> 00:50:19,235
still going to be fought 5

1384
00:50:21,173 --> 00:50:24,173
years from now. Sometimes I

1385
00:50:24,678 --> 00:50:26,450
like to think of the great is

1386
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:26,847
a victory with central power

1387
00:50:26,847 --> 00:50:27,848
plants at the base and the

1388
00:50:27,848 --> 00:50:30,848
trunk and branches going up.

1389
00:50:32,219 --> 00:50:34,521
The leaves and customer own

1390
00:50:34,521 --> 00:50:35,355
rooftop. Solar sits out on

1391
00:50:35,355 --> 00:50:37,910
those leads and when we

1392
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:37,858
produce excess energy and

1393
00:50:37,858 --> 00:50:41,960
export it, it goes right our

1394
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,397
neighbors. In fact, the trek

1395
00:50:42,397 --> 00:50:44,700
to neighbor across my driveway

1396
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,835
shared driveway is John Hunter

1397
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:47,535
and I know that when we're

1398
00:50:47,535 --> 00:50:49,935
exporting power, John's using

1399
00:50:55,178 --> 00:50:57,913
it. That that. Tip to leave to

1400
00:50:57,913 --> 00:50:59,616
transmission of power is an

1401
00:50:59,616 --> 00:51:00,817
advantage and offer some

1402
00:51:00,817 --> 00:51:01,518
advantages that his central

1403
00:51:01,518 --> 00:51:04,518
power plant 20 miles away can

1404
00:51:05,322 --> 00:51:08,593
match. By relying on a cost

1405
00:51:08,593 --> 00:51:11,593
based study. Csu found a

1406
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:12,697
4 million dollars subsidy of

1407
00:51:12,697 --> 00:51:15,697
customers like me from non

1408
00:51:16,935 --> 00:51:18,270
solar customers. But if you

1409
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:18,971
look at cost benefits, the

1410
00:51:18,971 --> 00:51:21,971
cost benefit study, it looks

1411
00:51:25,178 --> 00:51:25,845
very different. So 2, totally

1412
00:51:25,845 --> 00:51:27,845
independent methodologies,

1413
00:51:28,581 --> 00:51:29,282
both scale to csu size

1414
00:51:29,282 --> 00:51:31,682
suggests millions of dollars

1415
00:51:32,986 --> 00:51:33,586
of savings. 2021. Very

1416
00:51:33,586 --> 00:51:35,586
technical peer reviewed

1417
00:51:37,123 --> 00:51:39,260
engineering study. Suggest

1418
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:41,426
7 million dollars of annual

1419
00:51:41,429 --> 00:51:43,464
savings mostly due to

1420
00:51:43,464 --> 00:51:44,832
transmission and

1421
00:51:44,832 --> 00:51:45,433
infrastructure costs. That's

1422
00:51:45,433 --> 00:51:47,433
not generation. That's

1423
00:51:49,772 --> 00:51:51,772
transmission and distribution.

1424
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:56,411
Infrastructure. But the study

1425
00:51:56,411 --> 00:51:57,246
noted props, solar increases

1426
00:51:57,246 --> 00:52:00,246
even modestly, there could be

1427
00:52:01,817 --> 00:52:03,320
up to 25% annual savings

1428
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,540
generation costs. That's

1429
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:05,221
really eye-popping number that

1430
00:52:05,221 --> 00:52:07,257
you MAY be able to roll around

1431
00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:08,425
in your head, thinking about

1432
00:52:08,425 --> 00:52:09,160
this plan for planned

1433
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,160
infrastructure, that utilities

1434
00:52:17,902 --> 00:52:21,506
hats. That's why it what do we

1435
00:52:21,506 --> 00:52:22,206
need to do to ensure fiscal

1436
00:52:22,206 --> 00:52:23,409
Fairness? City Council should

1437
00:52:23,409 --> 00:52:24,109
the proposed net metering

1438
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:27,179
changes and tell us, yes, you

1439
00:52:27,179 --> 00:52:29,579
can make a transparent

1440
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:33,720
independent. Comprehensive

1441
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,120
cost-benefit analysis of just

1442
00:52:37,857 --> 00:52:38,491
what these changes too. Thank

1443
00:52:38,491 --> 00:52:41,694
you for your time. I had

1444
00:52:41,694 --> 00:52:42,329
another side to never

1445
00:52:42,329 --> 00:52:44,329
>> COUNCILMAN Donaldson,

1446
00:52:45,333 --> 00:52:47,101
nothing's been present. And

1447
00:52:47,101 --> 00:52:47,735
I'm right Dave, Donald sites

1448
00:52:47,735 --> 00:52:48,403
have a question for you,

1449
00:52:48,403 --> 00:52:50,403
especially considering your

1450
00:52:51,806 --> 00:52:52,406
background.

1451
00:52:52,406 --> 00:52:54,406
>> kind of highlighted

1452
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,514
transmission. Distribution

1453
00:52:58,514 --> 00:53:00,914
benefits because it goes

1454
00:53:02,918 --> 00:53:03,652
neighbor to neighbor. But

1455
00:53:03,652 --> 00:53:06,522
07:30pm, tonight, when the sun

1456
00:53:06,522 --> 00:53:07,624
sets.

1457
00:53:07,624 --> 00:53:10,240
>> Will your system be

1458
00:53:10,494 --> 00:53:11,528
transmitting any electricity

1459
00:53:11,528 --> 00:53:13,290
Mr? Hunter?

1460
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:13,697
>> It won't right now because

1461
00:53:13,697 --> 00:53:16,970
my batteries not configured

1462
00:53:17,268 --> 00:53:19,103
explore tech energy. Okay. If

1463
00:53:19,103 --> 00:53:20,305
we have a virtual power plant,

1464
00:53:20,305 --> 00:53:21,806
it could be configured to

1465
00:53:21,806 --> 00:53:22,507
that. So if if all the solar

1466
00:53:22,507 --> 00:53:24,907
customers had batteries, then

1467
00:53:26,311 --> 00:53:28,711
what year? Describing, seems

1468
00:53:29,581 --> 00:53:33,181
to me? That would be accurate.

1469
00:53:33,418 --> 00:53:35,818
But without the batteries.

1470
00:53:36,389 --> 00:53:36,989
That that is absolutely true.

1471
00:53:36,989 --> 00:53:38,291
You know, at noon at 1

1472
00:53:38,291 --> 00:53:41,940
o'clock, 2 o'clock up to that

1473
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:44,694
point The problem is when we

1474
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:46,867
hit our peak Biden 9 is one of

1475
00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:49,267
the solar producers rooftop

1476
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:55,340
solar goes offline.

1477
00:53:56,645 --> 00:53:58,460
>> MR. Gearhart touched Cs

1478
00:53:58,460 --> 00:53:58,781
used desire to come up with,

1479
00:53:58,781 --> 00:54:00,315
say I'm working on it, come up

1480
00:54:00,315 --> 00:54:03,285
with a battery program for.

1481
00:54:03,285 --> 00:54:05,288
>> For the rooftop solar

1482
00:54:05,288 --> 00:54:07,756
customers. But I think the

1483
00:54:07,756 --> 00:54:10,293
issues currently we don't have

1484
00:54:10,293 --> 00:54:10,693
that yet. And so that happens

1485
00:54:10,693 --> 00:54:12,693
every day.

1486
00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:16,290
>> Is there is small Spahn

1487
00:54:16,567 --> 00:54:17,534
second meant If you look at

1488
00:54:17,534 --> 00:54:20,534
the actual consumption of what

1489
00:54:21,472 --> 00:54:22,540
houses are using, the peak is

1490
00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:25,310
not. I don't believe 5 to 9. I

1491
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:28,280
believe it's a little bit

1492
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,470
earlier. But at that time my

1493
00:54:29,470 --> 00:54:32,470
house generate using the power

1494
00:54:32,116 --> 00:54:34,516
regenerate and peak now

1495
00:54:36,822 --> 00:54:37,523
appearing a little bit later.

1496
00:54:37,523 --> 00:54:40,523
It's Howard Solar is falling

1497
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:42,561
off. The actual peak of usage

1498
00:54:42,561 --> 00:54:44,430
was a little earlier in the

1499
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:47,334
day. And that does reduce the

1500
00:54:47,334 --> 00:54:48,340
distribution and transmission

1501
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:50,340
costs.

1502
00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:51,706
>> You know, ask Mr Your heart

1503
00:54:51,706 --> 00:54:52,440
address when that when the

1504
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,174
peak occurs, we have that data

1505
00:54:53,174 --> 00:54:56,174
for every 15 minutes. So get

1506
00:54:57,379 --> 00:54:58,120
to that. The reason we have

1507
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,480
peak rates from 5, 9, is

1508
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,383
that's that's what our peak

1509
00:55:01,383 --> 00:55:02,500
sucker. But thank you very

1510
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:02,784
much, especially with your

1511
00:55:02,784 --> 00:55:03,585
background. Thank you for your

1512
00:55:03,585 --> 00:55:03,885
comments. Thank you. Thank

1513
00:55:03,885 --> 00:55:05,540
you.

1514
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:08,540
>> Next step we have Rona

1515
00:55:19,702 --> 00:55:20,404
cope. Thank you for your time.

1516
00:55:20,404 --> 00:55:22,439
My name is Rana Cope and I'm

1517
00:55:22,439 --> 00:55:23,206
an engineer as well. What I

1518
00:55:23,206 --> 00:55:26,430
did was I took my actual bill

1519
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:27,912
and built a model so that I

1520
00:55:27,912 --> 00:55:28,246
can compare my current rates

1521
00:55:28,246 --> 00:55:30,246
versus.

1522
00:55:30,982 --> 00:55:33,382
>> Option. One option, too.

1523
00:55:33,685 --> 00:55:36,685
And make an informed decision.

1524
00:55:38,457 --> 00:55:39,692
Next slide. We do that. That

1525
00:55:39,692 --> 00:55:41,893
in building that model iPhone

1526
00:55:41,893 --> 00:55:44,293
3 problems. Number one was

1527
00:55:45,465 --> 00:55:46,650
that after 28 days and 3

1528
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:48,465
hours, your we're told,

1529
00:55:49,869 --> 00:55:50,703
download gives you 0 data. And

1530
00:55:50,703 --> 00:55:51,805
so if you're not looking for

1531
00:55:51,805 --> 00:55:52,506
that, you get Ron de Gea

1532
00:55:52,506 --> 00:55:54,741
download model, doesn't work

1533
00:55:54,741 --> 00:55:55,476
garbage in garbage out. Second

1534
00:55:55,476 --> 00:55:58,476
problem is my bill doesn't

1535
00:55:59,800 --> 00:55:59,680
match my date. So when I

1536
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,381
download the data and I

1537
00:56:00,381 --> 00:56:03,218
compare it to the date on my

1538
00:56:03,218 --> 00:56:06,818
bill. It's not accurate in for

1539
00:56:07,922 --> 00:56:08,591
the last 6 months. If it's not

1540
00:56:08,591 --> 00:56:10,250
accurate and the dates than

1541
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:12,795
the number of days off. And

1542
00:56:12,795 --> 00:56:13,496
when you go to this proposal,

1543
00:56:13,496 --> 00:56:17,960
it involves a number of days

1544
00:56:19,369 --> 00:56:19,936
being accurate. The 3rd

1545
00:56:19,936 --> 00:56:21,936
problems little more

1546
00:56:22,472 --> 00:56:25,276
insidious. Will this one shows

1547
00:56:25,276 --> 00:56:26,210
the actual data down there the

1548
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:26,844
4 months where the data does

1549
00:56:26,844 --> 00:56:29,844
not match my bill over 6

1550
00:56:30,314 --> 00:56:31,150
months accurate. For the 6

1551
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:32,983
months, my bill doesn't match

1552
00:56:32,983 --> 00:56:35,383
the dates. So there's

1553
00:56:36,988 --> 00:56:37,655
something off there. The last

1554
00:56:37,655 --> 00:56:40,550
polls, Lou, more insidious.

1555
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:44,397
And that is if you look at

1556
00:56:44,397 --> 00:56:45,297
JUNE, I'm actually in producer

1557
00:56:45,297 --> 00:56:47,297
between 5, 9 and obviously

1558
00:56:47,366 --> 00:56:48,534
producer and the off hours.

1559
00:56:48,534 --> 00:56:51,237
And my bill is still higher

1560
00:56:51,237 --> 00:56:52,538
than it would be. So the model

1561
00:56:52,538 --> 00:56:55,538
is not right. That shifted

1562
00:56:55,875 --> 00:56:57,511
some way. So I said, ok, I'm

1563
00:56:57,511 --> 00:56:59,911
customer. I understand that.

1564
00:57:00,414 --> 00:57:01,820
But let's just take that to an

1565
00:57:01,820 --> 00:57:04,820
average cost of an average

1566
00:57:04,686 --> 00:57:06,721
customer. We'll be producing

1567
00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:08,230
at great of what they're

1568
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:11,623
using. And their bill came out

1569
00:57:11,693 --> 00:57:12,994
3 times what it was. So this

1570
00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:14,730
broad a study that said that

1571
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:15,964
it will be only $38 higher.

1572
00:57:15,964 --> 00:57:16,498
Believe this is bogus. When

1573
00:57:16,498 --> 00:57:18,898
you look at actual

1574
00:57:18,934 --> 00:57:19,501
conservative data. So my

1575
00:57:19,501 --> 00:57:19,627
recommendation is, c#

1576
00:57:19,627 --> 00:57:19,751
#

1577
00:57:19,751 --> 00:57:20,336
#

1578
00:57:20,336 --> 00:57:22,336
. Can

1579
00:57:26,141 --> 00:57:30,341
go back. So I don't have a

1580
00:57:31,382 --> 00:57:32,415
glass slide. My recommendation

1581
00:57:32,415 --> 00:57:33,117
is fix that. Fix the process

1582
00:57:33,117 --> 00:57:33,718
so I can get good day to in a

1583
00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:36,718
good data out. Make it

1584
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:39,356
accurate. Second thing is

1585
00:57:39,356 --> 00:57:41,126
really look at this because I

1586
00:57:41,126 --> 00:57:41,859
think I've given you enough

1587
00:57:41,859 --> 00:57:42,493
fear, uncertainty and doubt to

1588
00:57:42,493 --> 00:57:45,630
say that the model is not

1589
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:47,732
correct. Have customers use

1590
00:57:47,732 --> 00:57:48,401
this model? It's free. I'll

1591
00:57:48,401 --> 00:57:49,702
give it to anybody wants to

1592
00:57:49,702 --> 00:57:51,804
use it. Look at your Look at

1593
00:57:51,804 --> 00:57:53,773
your bill compared to actual

1594
00:57:53,773 --> 00:57:55,241
data and you'll see that that

1595
00:57:55,241 --> 00:57:55,941
model is underestimating

1596
00:57:55,941 --> 00:57:56,610
drastically. Amount of money

1597
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:58,111
you're going to be charged.

1598
00:57:58,111 --> 00:58:00,511
Are there any questions,

1599
00:58:02,182 --> 00:58:03,250
COUNCILMAN Hinch him?

1600
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:04,451
>> Yes, MADAM PRESIDENT, thank

1601
00:58:04,451 --> 00:58:05,419
You simply thank you for your

1602
00:58:05,419 --> 00:58:09,323
sides. And I would like to ask

1603
00:58:09,323 --> 00:58:10,240
staff if I could have printed

1604
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,692
copies of these these slides

1605
00:58:11,692 --> 00:58:12,593
as well as the previous lights

1606
00:58:12,593 --> 00:58:15,593
and and probably any other

1607
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:16,865
sites that come up in

1608
00:58:16,865 --> 00:58:18,334
presentation. Go ahead and

1609
00:58:18,334 --> 00:58:21,934
e-mail those out to the full

1610
00:58:23,406 --> 00:58:26,406
count. Ok, perfect. Thank you.

1611
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:37,588
Next step we have Bob one

1612
00:58:37,588 --> 00:58:40,588
>> I guess my concerns over

1613
00:58:40,825 --> 00:58:41,459
the whole grandfather issue.

1614
00:58:41,459 --> 00:58:44,459
We installed a system few

1615
00:58:47,699 --> 00:58:48,366
years ago. And size the system

1616
00:58:48,366 --> 00:58:49,534
because it was bigger than

1617
00:58:49,534 --> 00:58:51,934
what we actually needed.

1618
00:58:53,172 --> 00:58:53,805
Excuse me at the time, as you

1619
00:58:53,805 --> 00:58:56,205
know, over 20 years, the

1620
00:58:56,709 --> 00:58:57,409
financing for the panels, the

1621
00:58:57,409 --> 00:59:01,900
amount of output will go down

1622
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:01,982
5 to 10%. And so we deliver

1623
00:59:01,982 --> 00:59:02,883
really want to bank kilowatt

1624
00:59:02,883 --> 00:59:07,530
hours that we would be able to

1625
00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:08,689
tap into. So put a limit on

1626
00:59:08,689 --> 00:59:10,290
those are undervalued and

1627
00:59:10,290 --> 00:59:10,925
those.

1628
00:59:10,925 --> 00:59:11,626
>> Down the road really

1629
00:59:11,626 --> 00:59:14,260
disturbs the whole financial

1630
00:59:14,762 --> 00:59:17,762
decision that way. The other

1631
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:19,934
one make sure you understand

1632
00:59:19,934 --> 00:59:20,869
that the kilowatt hours that

1633
00:59:20,869 --> 00:59:24,306
we banked, I think should be

1634
00:59:24,306 --> 00:59:28,211
on a peak peak basis. We cause

1635
00:59:28,211 --> 00:59:28,911
continually go home. And we

1636
00:59:28,911 --> 00:59:31,581
will turn off the ear to ear

1637
00:59:31,581 --> 00:59:32,214
way up. So it's not pulling a

1638
00:59:32,214 --> 00:59:33,550
lot of power at the time

1639
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:37,150
during the peak. It will use

1640
00:59:39,690 --> 00:59:40,891
it at night. And if we're not

1641
00:59:40,891 --> 00:59:41,558
a county for that properly,

1642
00:59:41,558 --> 00:59:43,427
they were really waste our

1643
00:59:43,427 --> 00:59:47,270
time. Had to say peak energy.

1644
00:59:49,267 --> 00:59:50,168
>> So that's that's it.

1645
00:59:50,168 --> 00:59:53,768
>> Thank u next step. We have

1646
00:59:59,780 --> 01:00:00,345
Kathy, one

1647
01:00:00,345 --> 01:00:01,781
>> Hi, I'm Cathy Worley. And

1648
01:00:01,781 --> 01:00:02,448
just to add to his we've had

1649
01:00:02,448 --> 01:00:04,784
our system for 3 years. We

1650
01:00:04,784 --> 01:00:07,587
have never want. Used more

1651
01:00:07,587 --> 01:00:08,255
than we produce. So the net

1652
01:00:08,255 --> 01:00:11,255
metering fee would just be

1653
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:13,226
punitive for us. I sent a

1654
01:00:13,226 --> 01:00:13,961
letter out to everybody. I

1655
01:00:13,961 --> 01:00:15,730
hope they got it. They didn't.

1656
01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:16,296
I'm just going to read it. I

1657
01:00:16,296 --> 01:00:18,433
think she issues over

1658
01:00:18,433 --> 01:00:20,535
complicating the issue. Their

1659
01:00:20,535 --> 01:00:21,836
goal is to was the payments

1660
01:00:21,836 --> 01:00:22,536
made by both solar and non

1661
01:00:22,536 --> 01:00:25,390
solar customers by charging a

1662
01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:27,175
net metering fee for the peak

1663
01:00:27,175 --> 01:00:30,775
in non peak hours. Very simple

1664
01:00:31,146 --> 01:00:31,913
solution for this is to make

1665
01:00:31,913 --> 01:00:32,715
both solar and non solar

1666
01:00:32,715 --> 01:00:35,715
customers pay the same rate

1667
01:00:36,352 --> 01:00:37,287
without a net metering fee.

1668
01:00:37,287 --> 01:00:38,354
Number one, csu buys all the

1669
01:00:38,354 --> 01:00:40,754
energy solar customers produce

1670
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,627
at the current kilowatt hour

1671
01:00:43,627 --> 01:00:44,327
charge, which is what they

1672
01:00:44,327 --> 01:00:46,296
would pay to purchase it from

1673
01:00:46,296 --> 01:00:47,932
an independent producer at the

1674
01:00:47,932 --> 01:00:50,932
hour rate. It is produced

1675
01:00:51,435 --> 01:00:52,137
rates peak our rates. Number

1676
01:00:52,137 --> 01:00:53,438
2, the amount paid for solar

1677
01:00:53,438 --> 01:00:55,838
customers. Energy will be

1678
01:00:56,141 --> 01:00:58,576
banked and their accounts as

1679
01:00:58,576 --> 01:00:59,144
credits. Then number 3 csu

1680
01:00:59,144 --> 01:01:01,544
will then charge all

1681
01:01:02,248 --> 01:01:02,915
customers, including us for

1682
01:01:02,915 --> 01:01:04,716
their usage for the current

1683
01:01:04,716 --> 01:01:05,484
kilowatt hours peak and non

1684
01:01:05,484 --> 01:01:08,354
peak that we were up in

1685
01:01:08,354 --> 01:01:10,356
exactly the same thing you're

1686
01:01:10,356 --> 01:01:12,359
using our solar that we're

1687
01:01:12,359 --> 01:01:13,360
producing. And we're just

1688
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,629
banking at no money exchanging

1689
01:01:15,629 --> 01:01:16,330
hands. Never It is not

1690
01:01:16,330 --> 01:01:18,730
necessary. Everybody pays the

1691
01:01:20,634 --> 01:01:22,202
same rate. See issues able to

1692
01:01:22,202 --> 01:01:24,305
use the powers produced by the

1693
01:01:24,305 --> 01:01:25,600
solar customers. Solar

1694
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:25,740
customers will be compensated

1695
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:28,376
for the energy they produce is

1696
01:01:28,376 --> 01:01:29,510
credit to their counts from

1697
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:30,846
which their monthly uses will

1698
01:01:30,846 --> 01:01:32,247
be subtracted and they will be

1699
01:01:32,247 --> 01:01:35,150
billed for any over. It's just

1700
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:38,150
as any non solar customers

1701
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:39,455
would be. Keep in mind that,

1702
01:01:39,455 --> 01:01:40,790
you know, we have an

1703
01:01:40,790 --> 01:01:41,457
additional $195 a month that

1704
01:01:41,457 --> 01:01:44,457
we're paying for the solar

1705
01:01:44,594 --> 01:01:45,262
panels that we purchase and

1706
01:01:45,262 --> 01:01:46,763
good faith that we would be

1707
01:01:46,763 --> 01:01:48,798
able to use them in the

1708
01:01:48,798 --> 01:01:49,399
future. The net metering fee

1709
01:01:49,399 --> 01:01:50,301
is definitely going to

1710
01:01:50,301 --> 01:01:50,968
discourage future solar

1711
01:01:50,968 --> 01:01:52,803
customers because why would

1712
01:01:52,803 --> 01:01:53,504
they want to get solar if

1713
01:01:53,504 --> 01:01:55,272
they're going to have to pay

1714
01:01:55,272 --> 01:01:58,272
an extra fee anyway. Also,

1715
01:01:58,943 --> 01:01:59,644
Denver and Pueblo, neither of

1716
01:01:59,644 --> 01:02:00,312
them charge net metering fees

1717
01:02:00,312 --> 01:02:03,912
and they all have much more

1718
01:02:04,116 --> 01:02:04,783
customers and csu csc. You

1719
01:02:04,783 --> 01:02:07,860
need think of a better way.

1720
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:08,530
And I think this is the best

1721
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:08,720
way, but I just causing it

1722
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,120
completely across the board

1723
01:02:11,323 --> 01:02:12,240
for Peak and Non peak and

1724
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,240
again, to reiterate, we have

1725
01:02:15,428 --> 01:02:16,329
never use more during peak or

1726
01:02:16,329 --> 01:02:17,300
non peak hours. And then what

1727
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:20,300
we are producing. And that's

1728
01:02:20,434 --> 01:02:21,670
without a battery. So I think

1729
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:24,670
this metering fee is just

1730
01:02:26,941 --> 01:02:28,242
punitive. Thank u next step.

1731
01:02:28,242 --> 01:02:28,910
We have mentors cut could ask

1732
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:30,911
one question. And yes, the

1733
01:02:30,911 --> 01:02:31,612
nice lady.

1734
01:02:31,612 --> 01:02:34,612
>> No, ma'am. Are you saying

1735
01:02:35,117 --> 01:02:37,118
that in DECEMBER you're

1736
01:02:37,118 --> 01:02:37,819
producing more energy from 5

1737
01:02:37,819 --> 01:02:39,388
to 9 from your solar panels.

1738
01:02:39,388 --> 01:02:41,388
Then you use.

1739
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:42,910
>> If I count what I have.

1740
01:02:42,910 --> 01:02:44,491
>> Produced during the year.

1741
01:02:46,463 --> 01:02:47,597
Yes. Because I am banking what

1742
01:02:47,597 --> 01:02:49,266
I'm producing. I'm making more

1743
01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:50,266
than I'm using for the whole

1744
01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:51,701
year.

1745
01:02:51,701 --> 01:02:53,737
>> And I just point ask Mr,

1746
01:02:53,737 --> 01:02:55,839
Trusting your heart to address

1747
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:57,608
this. That's the problem we

1748
01:02:57,608 --> 01:02:59,777
have to build our

1749
01:02:59,777 --> 01:03:00,477
infrastructure to cover you

1750
01:03:00,477 --> 01:03:03,477
and everyby else from 5 to 9

1751
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,951
in DECEMBER. Also. So if

1752
01:03:06,951 --> 01:03:08,821
you're exactly right, perhaps

1753
01:03:08,821 --> 01:03:10,523
in JUNE is your pre seeing,

1754
01:03:10,523 --> 01:03:11,824
you know, solar energy that

1755
01:03:11,824 --> 01:03:14,824
whole time. But the problem

1756
01:03:15,328 --> 01:03:16,610
is, we're just trying to

1757
01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:19,661
really identify why do we need

1758
01:03:20,267 --> 01:03:22,680
to change rates as we have to

1759
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:22,736
build or buy contracts to

1760
01:03:22,736 --> 01:03:25,136
provide energy to everyone

1761
01:03:26,774 --> 01:03:27,641
from 5 to 9. DECEMBER. So we

1762
01:03:27,641 --> 01:03:28,775
have to do it. We can't just

1763
01:03:28,775 --> 01:03:31,311
do it, you know, for some

1764
01:03:31,311 --> 01:03:33,214
months because you'd be in the

1765
01:03:33,214 --> 01:03:33,848
dark and

1766
01:03:33,848 --> 01:03:34,582
>> we are not using your

1767
01:03:34,582 --> 01:03:37,582
energy and DECEMBER were still

1768
01:03:37,985 --> 01:03:39,870
using our energy. Colorado's d

1769
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:42,870
second most highest state for

1770
01:03:42,425 --> 01:03:42,858
daytime out daylight hours for

1771
01:03:42,858 --> 01:03:43,559
Sunshine.

1772
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,761
>> Alright, all are going to

1773
01:03:45,761 --> 01:03:48,161
clarify that in Worth.

1774
01:03:53,403 --> 01:03:54,471
>> Courtney Grant. Okay. Hi.

1775
01:03:54,471 --> 01:03:56,407
Good morning. My name is

1776
01:03:56,407 --> 01:03:58,800
cutting grant and that meter

1777
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,440
customer and also work local

1778
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,145
solar installer. The company

1779
01:04:01,145 --> 01:04:02,346
work for has been installing

1780
01:04:02,346 --> 01:04:02,947
solar in El Paso County since

1781
01:04:02,947 --> 01:04:04,947
2013. And we're deeply

1782
01:04:04,982 --> 01:04:05,716
concerned about the economic

1783
01:04:05,716 --> 01:04:07,752
impact. This proposal will

1784
01:04:07,752 --> 01:04:09,755
have on our business and the

1785
01:04:09,755 --> 01:04:12,230
local solar industry as a

1786
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:13,826
whole with the elimination of

1787
01:04:13,826 --> 01:04:14,859
the federal tax credit. 25 d

1788
01:04:14,859 --> 01:04:16,395
we've already seen a 55%

1789
01:04:16,395 --> 01:04:17,960
decline in sales this year

1790
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,399
from last year. And it's not

1791
01:04:19,399 --> 01:04:20,330
just our company. It's we've

1792
01:04:20,330 --> 01:04:22,330
heard similar sentiments

1793
01:04:22,602 --> 01:04:24,470
throughout the solar industry.

1794
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:26,540
I spoke with our local

1795
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:27,240
distributor last week and they

1796
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:27,974
echoed sentiment saying that

1797
01:04:27,974 --> 01:04:30,974
their sales are 50 to 60% down

1798
01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:32,980
this year as well. In 2025,

1799
01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:34,749
there were 850 solar permits

1800
01:04:34,749 --> 01:04:36,417
polled at Pikes, Peak Regional

1801
01:04:36,417 --> 01:04:37,840
Building Department this year.

1802
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,840
As of yesterday, there have

1803
01:04:40,187 --> 01:04:41,923
only been 290 permits pulled,

1804
01:04:41,923 --> 01:04:43,291
which echo what we're

1805
01:04:43,291 --> 01:04:43,992
experiencing. And so we're not

1806
01:04:43,992 --> 01:04:46,261
just concerned about the loss

1807
01:04:46,261 --> 01:04:47,596
revenue from new sales. The

1808
01:04:47,596 --> 01:04:49,331
proposed rate structure state,

1809
01:04:49,331 --> 01:04:50,166
any existing solar customer

1810
01:04:50,166 --> 01:04:53,690
who chooses to expand system.

1811
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:53,970
After APRIL 2027 will no

1812
01:04:53,970 --> 01:04:56,306
longer be grandfathered in and

1813
01:04:56,306 --> 01:04:58,207
will be considered a new net

1814
01:04:58,207 --> 01:04:58,875
metered customer since current

1815
01:04:58,875 --> 01:05:00,377
rates are more favorable to

1816
01:05:00,377 --> 01:05:01,377
the proposed ones, customers

1817
01:05:01,377 --> 01:05:02,780
will opt out of expanding

1818
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:02,680
their systems. Otherwise they

1819
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,680
be financially penneast

1820
01:05:05,483 --> 01:05:06,684
penalize for doing so. We're

1821
01:05:06,684 --> 01:05:08,386
worried that the proposed net

1822
01:05:08,386 --> 01:05:09,687
metering rate structures will

1823
01:05:09,687 --> 01:05:10,387
exacerbate the decline in

1824
01:05:10,387 --> 01:05:11,856
sales we've already seen and

1825
01:05:11,856 --> 01:05:14,760
will force even more companies

1826
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,294
to downsize and or file

1827
01:05:16,294 --> 01:05:16,961
bankruptcy. We saw 3 companies

1828
01:05:16,961 --> 01:05:19,361
closed their local offices

1829
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:20,766
just last month. If our

1830
01:05:20,766 --> 01:05:22,201
company had to close 8 people

1831
01:05:22,201 --> 01:05:23,350
were directly lose their jobs.

1832
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:23,635
And many of the sub's that we

1833
01:05:23,635 --> 01:05:26,350
use would be negatively

1834
01:05:26,906 --> 01:05:29,775
impacted as well. The solar

1835
01:05:29,775 --> 01:05:30,577
industry works with

1836
01:05:30,577 --> 01:05:31,678
electricians, roofers, energy

1837
01:05:31,678 --> 01:05:32,345
consultants, banks,

1838
01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:34,345
distributors manufactures,

1839
01:05:34,815 --> 01:05:36,116
nonprofits, cetera. The

1840
01:05:36,116 --> 01:05:37,485
financial ripple effects. This

1841
01:05:37,485 --> 01:05:38,151
rate proposal have been El

1842
01:05:38,151 --> 01:05:40,655
Paso County, a greater than

1843
01:05:40,655 --> 01:05:41,321
just the solar installers one

1844
01:05:41,321 --> 01:05:43,391
solar installers go out of

1845
01:05:43,391 --> 01:05:44,524
business. That leaves their

1846
01:05:44,524 --> 01:05:45,794
customers orphaned. We've

1847
01:05:45,794 --> 01:05:46,494
noticed an uptick in adoptions

1848
01:05:46,494 --> 01:05:48,430
this year as more installers

1849
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:49,164
close their doors, folks are

1850
01:05:49,164 --> 01:05:50,733
left scrambling to find

1851
01:05:50,733 --> 01:05:52,802
someone local in qualified to

1852
01:05:52,802 --> 01:05:55,504
help get their systems back up

1853
01:05:55,504 --> 01:05:56,339
and running. If no one is left

1854
01:05:56,339 --> 01:05:59,339
installing in Paso County, the

1855
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:00,810
existing 11,000 plus, net

1856
01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:03,413
metered customers will have an

1857
01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:05,382
even harder time finding a

1858
01:06:05,382 --> 01:06:06,160
qualified, affordable and

1859
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,584
timely installer to help

1860
01:06:07,584 --> 01:06:08,252
service them get their system

1861
01:06:08,252 --> 01:06:11,252
back up and running, expand

1862
01:06:11,689 --> 01:06:12,957
its or with every roof. So in

1863
01:06:12,957 --> 01:06:14,158
short, the tax credit going

1864
01:06:14,158 --> 01:06:14,859
has already have a drastic

1865
01:06:14,859 --> 01:06:16,428
effect on the solar industry.

1866
01:06:16,428 --> 01:06:17,828
And if this proposal passes,

1867
01:06:17,828 --> 01:06:19,298
as is, it would likely be the

1868
01:06:19,298 --> 01:06:20,732
nail in the coffin for

1869
01:06:20,732 --> 01:06:21,433
industry as the demand for

1870
01:06:21,433 --> 01:06:23,833
energy increases faster than

1871
01:06:24,804 --> 01:06:25,771
we can keep up with. We should

1872
01:06:25,771 --> 01:06:27,105
be training policies and rate

1873
01:06:27,105 --> 01:06:27,773
structures that incentivize

1874
01:06:27,773 --> 01:06:30,773
solar and other sources of

1875
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:32,645
clean energy, not penalize it.

1876
01:06:32,645 --> 01:06:34,280
I'm asking town council

1877
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:34,981
members vote no on the 2026

1878
01:06:34,981 --> 01:06:37,981
years. You net metering right

1879
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:46,525
proposals. Thank you. Next

1880
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:54,637
step we have Brian staff on.

1881
01:06:54,637 --> 01:06:55,337
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, MADAM

1882
01:06:55,337 --> 01:06:56,605
Mayor and members of council,

1883
01:06:56,605 --> 01:06:57,205
my name is Brian Safin and I

1884
01:06:57,205 --> 01:06:58,741
live in the rock from a

1885
01:06:58,741 --> 01:07:00,343
neighborhood of Colorado

1886
01:07:00,343 --> 01:07:01,109
Springs. I'm asking you to

1887
01:07:01,109 --> 01:07:02,845
vote no on the net metering

1888
01:07:02,845 --> 01:07:03,679
rate proposal from Colorado

1889
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:06,790
Springs utilities because of

1890
01:07:07,617 --> 01:07:08,352
economics in real estate.

1891
01:07:08,352 --> 01:07:09,720
First, this proposal will have

1892
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,155
a negative impact on our local

1893
01:07:11,155 --> 01:07:11,822
economy because of the

1894
01:07:11,822 --> 01:07:13,523
disproportionate change in

1895
01:07:13,523 --> 01:07:15,426
monthly bills for net metering

1896
01:07:15,426 --> 01:07:17,426
versus 9 net metering

1897
01:07:17,562 --> 01:07:19,130
customers given the still

1898
01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:21,199
relatively small number of net

1899
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:22,267
metering customers amongst all

1900
01:07:22,267 --> 01:07:24,690
utilities, customers. If an

1901
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:26,469
average net metering customers

1902
01:07:26,672 --> 01:07:28,673
bill were to increased by $38.

1903
01:07:28,673 --> 01:07:29,842
The noon on net metering

1904
01:07:29,842 --> 01:07:32,242
customers. Bill would decrease

1905
01:07:32,812 --> 01:07:34,180
by only $2 per month. The

1906
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:36,516
problem is that a $38 increase

1907
01:07:36,516 --> 01:07:39,486
is far more noticeable. Then a

1908
01:07:39,486 --> 01:07:41,187
small to dollar reduction and

1909
01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,123
much more likely to result in

1910
01:07:43,123 --> 01:07:44,357
adjustments to monthly

1911
01:07:44,357 --> 01:07:46,260
spending habits. That means

1912
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:47,227
that net metering customers

1913
01:07:47,227 --> 01:07:49,627
could annually spend 5 million

1914
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:50,698
dollars less in our local

1915
01:07:50,698 --> 01:07:51,433
economy. 5 million dollars

1916
01:07:51,433 --> 01:07:53,567
less to local businesses,

1917
01:07:53,567 --> 01:07:55,570
small and large tips to

1918
01:07:55,570 --> 01:07:56,138
restaurant servers. Servers

1919
01:07:56,138 --> 01:07:58,138
and local charitable

1920
01:07:59,508 --> 01:08:00,275
donations. 5 million dollars

1921
01:08:00,275 --> 01:08:02,978
less spending on which city

1922
01:08:02,978 --> 01:08:04,647
taxes can be collected and

1923
01:08:04,647 --> 01:08:05,314
then take out the secondary or

1924
01:08:05,314 --> 01:08:07,714
flow through spending that

1925
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:09,985
will never happen. Asking this

1926
01:08:09,985 --> 01:08:11,540
council to avoid creating

1927
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:13,454
these economic headwind for

1928
01:08:14,658 --> 01:08:15,292
local economic growth.

1929
01:08:15,292 --> 01:08:17,292
Secondly, while utilities

1930
01:08:17,661 --> 01:08:18,962
proposal includes 2 options,

1931
01:08:18,962 --> 01:08:20,298
they don't actually offer a

1932
01:08:20,298 --> 01:08:20,998
choice to customers if they're

1933
01:08:20,998 --> 01:08:22,766
both intended to raise a net

1934
01:08:22,766 --> 01:08:24,736
metering customers, bills.

1935
01:08:24,736 --> 01:08:26,905
Average of $38 per month.

1936
01:08:26,905 --> 01:08:29,640
That's an illusion of choice.

1937
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,676
So really we have no choice.

1938
01:08:31,676 --> 01:08:33,445
Related to that false

1939
01:08:33,445 --> 01:08:35,447
Optionality. I didn't think of

1940
01:08:35,447 --> 01:08:36,616
my solar panel system as a

1941
01:08:36,616 --> 01:08:38,830
speculative investment. It was

1942
01:08:38,830 --> 01:08:39,986
an investment in my home where

1943
01:08:39,986 --> 01:08:41,955
raise my children and made

1944
01:08:41,955 --> 01:08:42,622
family memories. We made this

1945
01:08:42,622 --> 01:08:43,289
huge investment because we

1946
01:08:43,289 --> 01:08:45,859
thought it would protect us

1947
01:08:45,859 --> 01:08:47,194
from rising electricity rates

1948
01:08:47,194 --> 01:08:48,128
while utility certainly has

1949
01:08:48,128 --> 01:08:48,828
the right to change the net

1950
01:08:48,828 --> 01:08:51,228
metering rate structure from

1951
01:08:51,866 --> 01:08:52,600
the status quo. I'm obligated

1952
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,269
to pay the loan every month

1953
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:57,720
for another 20 plus years far

1954
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:58,973
longer than the 5 year

1955
01:08:58,973 --> 01:09:00,973
grandfathering proposal in

1956
01:09:01,343 --> 01:09:03,112
that respect. This a totally

1957
01:09:03,112 --> 01:09:05,460
different situation than

1958
01:09:05,460 --> 01:09:07,149
energy. Wise rates for non

1959
01:09:07,149 --> 01:09:08,216
solar customers. While

1960
01:09:08,216 --> 01:09:09,840
utilities can change its rules

1961
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,253
and even apply different rules

1962
01:09:10,253 --> 01:09:12,653
for different groups of

1963
01:09:12,756 --> 01:09:13,456
customers. I have no choice

1964
01:09:13,456 --> 01:09:16,760
and don't have the luxury of

1965
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:17,460
changing the rules as elected

1966
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:18,829
officials. I'm asking you to

1967
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:19,529
protect folks like me from

1968
01:09:19,529 --> 01:09:21,929
utilities attempt to devalue

1969
01:09:22,132 --> 01:09:24,901
my home. In closing, please

1970
01:09:24,901 --> 01:09:26,370
support our local economy and

1971
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:26,738
home values. Vote no on this

1972
01:09:26,738 --> 01:09:29,138
net metering proposal. Thank

1973
01:09:33,645 --> 01:09:34,345
you.

1974
01:09:34,345 --> 01:09:37,345
>> Next step we have Darrell

1975
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:51,950
Cooper.

1976
01:09:53,968 --> 01:09:56,968
>> My name Earl like the.

1977
01:09:58,405 --> 01:10:02,500
That's great Belt. I'm here to

1978
01:10:02,276 --> 01:10:03,778
sathat. I think the what the

1979
01:10:03,778 --> 01:10:04,479
utilities wants to do is very

1980
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,949
complicated and still is not

1981
01:10:06,949 --> 01:10:09,185
well understood. By vast

1982
01:10:09,185 --> 01:10:11,319
majority of the rate payers.

1983
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:16,119
So I sent a note to each and

1984
01:10:16,259 --> 01:10:16,960
every one of you in email

1985
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,960
explaining that I had visited

1986
01:10:21,765 --> 01:10:22,532
with utilities department and

1987
01:10:22,532 --> 01:10:23,366
then I is listen to what they

1988
01:10:23,366 --> 01:10:25,736
had to say. And then I sent a

1989
01:10:25,736 --> 01:10:27,438
response back. Never got a

1990
01:10:27,438 --> 01:10:30,438
response back from them. So

1991
01:10:33,177 --> 01:10:35,680
then I. You a copy of that

1992
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,849
letter and let me explain that

1993
01:10:37,849 --> 01:10:41,449
very simple terms. I used to

1994
01:10:41,853 --> 01:10:42,588
have a business and I know the

1995
01:10:42,588 --> 01:10:44,988
difference between fixed costs

1996
01:10:46,491 --> 01:10:48,261
and variable cost. Utility

1997
01:10:48,261 --> 01:10:50,290
rates, the stuff that you pay

1998
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:53,629
for you paid for by Kilowatt

1999
01:10:56,636 --> 01:10:57,637
basically. Fixed rates are the

2000
01:10:57,637 --> 01:11:00,370
infrastructure to get that

2001
01:11:01,241 --> 01:11:01,975
there and not everybody pays

2002
01:11:01,975 --> 01:11:05,575
not over, but he benefits from

2003
01:11:07,482 --> 01:11:09,351
the same sort of. Of. Benefit

2004
01:11:09,351 --> 01:11:10,510
from the utility from those

2005
01:11:10,510 --> 01:11:12,354
fixed rates that you charge.

2006
01:11:12,354 --> 01:11:15,224
That's an average across all

2007
01:11:15,224 --> 01:11:15,858
the people. And so some people

2008
01:11:15,858 --> 01:11:17,259
are in paying more. Some

2009
01:11:17,259 --> 01:11:18,194
people are paying less for

2010
01:11:18,194 --> 01:11:19,628
that. So that's not any

2011
01:11:19,628 --> 01:11:22,628
different than what we have

2012
01:11:23,299 --> 01:11:26,200
now. So what I'm suggesting is

2013
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,938
utility keeps all their rates.

2014
01:11:27,938 --> 01:11:30,938
They're fixed rates in the

2015
01:11:31,909 --> 01:11:32,642
fixed rate bag. Not. Mixing

2016
01:11:32,642 --> 01:11:36,242
them in because I think that's

2017
01:11:37,682 --> 01:11:39,884
part of what happens. And

2018
01:11:39,884 --> 01:11:40,818
giving us credit if we

2019
01:11:40,818 --> 01:11:42,818
generate electricity during

2020
01:11:46,558 --> 01:11:48,694
period of time when. When

2021
01:11:48,694 --> 01:11:50,763
utilities are very cheap to

2022
01:11:50,763 --> 01:11:52,865
buy, then give us what you

2023
01:11:52,865 --> 01:11:56,465
have to purchase. I mean, act.

2024
01:11:56,836 --> 01:11:57,671
Users or customers as your

2025
01:11:57,671 --> 01:11:58,538
suppliers, which they are,

2026
01:11:58,538 --> 01:12:00,938
they're supplying you with

2027
01:12:01,408 --> 01:12:03,808
electricity. If that's the

2028
01:12:07,715 --> 01:12:08,649
case, then. Those dollars, not

2029
01:12:08,649 --> 01:12:10,685
the hours, not the kilowatt

2030
01:12:10,685 --> 01:12:13,288
hours, but banks, the dollars

2031
01:12:13,288 --> 01:12:14,220
that we saved you that the

2032
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:14,756
utility since they didn't have

2033
01:12:14,756 --> 01:12:16,591
to purchase that from somebody

2034
01:12:16,591 --> 01:12:19,829
else, they they got it from

2035
01:12:19,829 --> 01:12:22,665
the solar panel faults. So.

2036
01:12:22,665 --> 01:12:26,169
Let that be the rate that you

2037
01:12:26,169 --> 01:12:26,870
re reimburse us with that way.

2038
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:29,270
Everybody is treated equally

2039
01:12:30,641 --> 01:12:32,575
in my opinion and as equally

2040
01:12:32,575 --> 01:12:35,575
as possible. So that's my

2041
01:12:37,547 --> 01:12:37,915
position. Questions. I don't

2042
01:12:37,915 --> 01:12:39,915
see any.

2043
01:12:41,552 --> 01:12:45,152
>> I don't see any Next step

2044
01:12:52,797 --> 01:12:55,797
we have Lonnie and Linda.

2045
01:13:00,373 --> 01:13:01,307
Pillsbury.

2046
01:13:01,307 --> 01:13:03,243
>> My name is Linda. Pillsbury

2047
01:13:03,243 --> 01:13:04,378
and I live in Colorado

2048
01:13:04,378 --> 01:13:06,778
Springs. Last year we

2049
01:13:07,181 --> 01:13:08,415
installed solar on our roof.

2050
01:13:08,415 --> 01:13:11,118
We did it because it was the

2051
01:13:11,118 --> 01:13:14,550
right thing to do. Decreasing

2052
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:14,855
air pollution, reducing our

2053
01:13:14,855 --> 01:13:16,825
carbon footprint, generating

2054
01:13:16,825 --> 01:13:18,125
electricity for ourselves and

2055
01:13:18,125 --> 01:13:20,162
our neighbors. We also did it

2056
01:13:20,162 --> 01:13:22,398
because it was a smart thing

2057
01:13:22,398 --> 01:13:25,134
to do. We could invest in the

2058
01:13:25,134 --> 01:13:25,835
upfront costs and then

2059
01:13:25,835 --> 01:13:27,336
producer own electricity at a

2060
01:13:27,336 --> 01:13:29,505
cost that would be consistent

2061
01:13:29,505 --> 01:13:33,705
over time. We spent a lot of

2062
01:13:34,511 --> 01:13:35,212
money. The system cost over

2063
01:13:35,212 --> 01:13:37,612
$37,000 asset by the federal

2064
01:13:38,515 --> 01:13:39,583
tax credit of about $11,000.

2065
01:13:39,583 --> 01:13:42,553
I'm very upset about the

2066
01:13:42,553 --> 01:13:43,754
proposed changes to net

2067
01:13:43,754 --> 01:13:45,290
metering under these changes.

2068
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:47,858
We will not recoup our

2069
01:13:47,858 --> 01:13:50,950
investment. We are 71 years

2070
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:51,964
old in the 10 year timeline

2071
01:13:51,964 --> 01:13:53,965
matters. We have an

2072
01:13:53,965 --> 01:13:55,201
all-electric house which is

2073
01:13:55,201 --> 01:13:55,968
healthier and we cannot shift

2074
01:13:55,968 --> 01:13:59,568
our need for heat and cooking

2075
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:00,639
into non peak hours. The

2076
01:14:00,639 --> 01:14:02,639
proposed changes also

2077
01:14:03,109 --> 01:14:05,779
represent a breach of trust

2078
01:14:05,779 --> 01:14:06,312
less than a year ago. We based

2079
01:14:06,312 --> 01:14:07,381
our decision on the

2080
01:14:07,381 --> 01:14:09,781
relationship. We thought we

2081
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:12,319
had and signed with our

2082
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:13,153
utility. It does not seem fair

2083
01:14:13,153 --> 01:14:15,890
that the utility wants to go

2084
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:17,524
back on their agreement and

2085
01:14:17,524 --> 01:14:21,124
more than double the rate of

2086
01:14:21,429 --> 01:14:22,564
the 11,000 solar customers. No

2087
01:14:22,564 --> 01:14:23,465
other individual customers are

2088
01:14:23,465 --> 01:14:26,465
having their rates and fees

2089
01:14:26,935 --> 01:14:27,836
increase as much. The proposed

2090
01:14:27,836 --> 01:14:30,836
changes will also destroy the

2091
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:31,941
local solar market as a very

2092
01:14:31,941 --> 01:14:33,976
few people will buy a system.

2093
01:14:33,976 --> 01:14:36,145
They can't recoup their

2094
01:14:36,145 --> 01:14:36,847
investment and work will dry

2095
01:14:36,847 --> 01:14:39,847
out for the local contractors

2096
01:14:40,517 --> 01:14:41,918
who supply solar. I thought

2097
01:14:41,918 --> 01:14:42,653
Colorado Springs was an area

2098
01:14:42,653 --> 01:14:44,688
where protection of the

2099
01:14:44,688 --> 01:14:47,880
environment and open spaces

2100
01:14:48,158 --> 01:14:51,195
was not a partisan issue. That

2101
01:14:51,195 --> 01:14:52,129
virtually everyone believes we

2102
01:14:52,129 --> 01:14:54,232
need to. But here is a

2103
01:14:54,232 --> 01:14:56,232
proposal that actively

2104
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,402
discourages solar with 240 to

2105
01:15:00,839 --> 01:15:01,907
250 mostly sunny days a year.

2106
01:15:01,907 --> 01:15:04,907
We are ideally suited to

2107
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:06,679
promote solar, not destroy it.

2108
01:15:06,679 --> 01:15:07,646
They urge you to vote no on

2109
01:15:07,646 --> 01:15:10,646
this proposal and instead to

2110
01:15:11,485 --> 01:15:13,152
do mo research, look at it

2111
01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:15,552
analyze the community benefits

2112
01:15:16,122 --> 01:15:17,910
as well as the costs of

2113
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:19,226
rooftop solar benefits like

2114
01:15:19,226 --> 01:15:21,362
grid, resiliency and local

2115
01:15:21,362 --> 01:15:22,696
production. Use the you pack

2116
01:15:22,696 --> 01:15:25,200
and other clean energy experts

2117
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,700
to help identify what other

2118
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:29,871
cities and community utilities

2119
01:15:29,871 --> 01:15:31,907
are doing as they face similar

2120
01:15:31,907 --> 01:15:34,643
problems come up with a

2121
01:15:34,643 --> 01:15:35,711
proposal that is fair to the

2122
01:15:35,711 --> 01:15:36,813
11,000 solar customers who

2123
01:15:36,813 --> 01:15:37,814
have already made an

2124
01:15:37,814 --> 01:15:40,214
investment in our community,

2125
01:15:40,817 --> 01:15:43,217
clean energy production come

2126
01:15:43,820 --> 01:15:44,421
up with a proposal that

2127
01:15:44,421 --> 01:15:45,688
encourages rather than

2128
01:15:45,688 --> 01:15:47,240
discourage is future solar

2129
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:47,891
investment come up with a

2130
01:15:47,891 --> 01:15:49,891
proposal that actually

2131
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:53,940
benefits or community vote no

2132
01:15:58,803 --> 01:16:02,403
on this one. Next step. We

2133
01:16:09,615 --> 01:16:10,850
have windy Crawford. Was

2134
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:12,585
windy. Crawford has been I've

2135
01:16:12,585 --> 01:16:13,653
lived in this city for 32

2136
01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:14,387
years.

2137
01:16:14,387 --> 01:16:15,550
>> We're live on the northeast

2138
01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:17,924
side. We added solar to our

2139
01:16:17,924 --> 01:16:19,292
home 2019.

2140
01:16:19,292 --> 01:16:20,270
>> We made this decision and

2141
01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:22,270
significant upfront, financial

2142
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:25,733
investment. As a way to

2143
01:16:25,733 --> 01:16:26,467
control our electricity costs.

2144
01:16:26,467 --> 01:16:29,467
As we look towards retirement

2145
01:16:30,304 --> 01:16:30,971
and a fixed income. The

2146
01:16:30,971 --> 01:16:33,675
proposed csu changes to our

2147
01:16:33,675 --> 01:16:35,770
net meaning agreements. Tony

2148
01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:35,743
the cost benefit that we

2149
01:16:35,743 --> 01:16:39,343
relied on when we made this

2150
01:16:39,882 --> 01:16:41,416
decision. We would not have

2151
01:16:41,416 --> 01:16:43,816
made the $40,000 investment in

2152
01:16:45,121 --> 01:16:45,821
solar. If we knew then csu

2153
01:16:45,821 --> 01:16:48,821
would not stand behind their

2154
01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:50,527
net metering agreement. The

2155
01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:51,128
proposed see issues changes

2156
01:16:51,128 --> 01:16:53,931
make fools of all solar

2157
01:16:53,931 --> 01:16:54,665
customers.

2158
01:16:54,665 --> 01:16:57,535
>> I attended the public event

2159
01:16:57,535 --> 01:16:59,871
last AUGUST. I attended the

2160
01:16:59,871 --> 01:17:00,604
entire day Long session here

2161
01:17:00,604 --> 01:17:03,604
last SEPTEMBER. I'm here again

2162
01:17:04,542 --> 01:17:05,210
today. At this point, this

2163
01:17:05,210 --> 01:17:07,610
feels like harassment from

2164
01:17:10,949 --> 01:17:14,530
csu. Is there part of their

2165
01:17:14,530 --> 01:17:16,522
strategy to wear us down? If

2166
01:17:16,522 --> 01:17:17,423
csu has decided to move on to

2167
01:17:17,423 --> 01:17:18,525
move from one of the most

2168
01:17:18,525 --> 01:17:20,925
solar friendly utilities in

2169
01:17:21,261 --> 01:17:21,962
the state to a hostile one

2170
01:17:21,962 --> 01:17:23,960
that allow them to amend the

2171
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,496
net meeting agreements going

2172
01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:28,869
forward for future homeowners.

2173
01:17:28,869 --> 01:17:29,504
Homes in Color Springs

2174
01:17:29,504 --> 01:17:31,338
turnover on an average of

2175
01:17:31,338 --> 01:17:33,941
every 5 to 8 years. This in

2176
01:17:33,941 --> 01:17:34,609
effect will cause most current

2177
01:17:34,609 --> 01:17:37,900
net metering agreements to

2178
01:17:39,214 --> 01:17:39,914
sunset. Naturally. See issues

2179
01:17:39,914 --> 01:17:40,615
new agreement can be put into

2180
01:17:40,615 --> 01:17:43,615
place with the new homeowners

2181
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:46,122
them. The csu proposal changes

2182
01:17:46,122 --> 01:17:48,491
to solar are not fair, but at

2183
01:17:48,491 --> 01:17:49,259
least the new homeowners. What

2184
01:17:49,259 --> 01:17:52,259
have the facts before they

2185
01:17:53,863 --> 01:17:54,565
made their investment? This

2186
01:17:54,565 --> 01:17:56,533
change in net metering will

2187
01:17:56,533 --> 01:17:57,568
significantly solar home

2188
01:17:57,568 --> 01:18:00,470
sales. We're not going to see

2189
01:18:00,470 --> 01:18:02,390
the appreciation. We expected.

2190
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:02,707
The solar, local solar

2191
01:18:02,707 --> 01:18:05,107
industry has not recovered

2192
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:06,644
since covid. Today there are

2193
01:18:06,644 --> 01:18:09,460
less than a handful of

2194
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:09,882
installers in El Paso County.

2195
01:18:09,882 --> 01:18:11,883
To last issue to make this

2196
01:18:11,883 --> 01:18:13,252
change retroactively is not

2197
01:18:13,252 --> 01:18:15,587
fair. It's wrong and it's flat

2198
01:18:15,587 --> 01:18:17,890
out dishonest. This is wrong

2199
01:18:17,890 --> 01:18:19,692
to do last DECEMBER by

2200
01:18:19,692 --> 01:18:20,693
SEPTEMBER. It's wrong to do

2201
01:18:20,693 --> 01:18:24,293
now and it'll be wrong in

2202
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:26,700
2032. As fun. It is as it is

2203
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:30,136
to be with you guys. I'd like

2204
01:18:30,136 --> 01:18:30,870
to not have to do this again.

2205
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:34,342
Please make a decision and put

2206
01:18:34,342 --> 01:18:35,750
this to rest. If the council

2207
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:36,111
also feels solar should not be

2208
01:18:36,111 --> 01:18:38,111
encouraged going forward.

2209
01:18:38,913 --> 01:18:39,648
Well, I disagree. But if you

2210
01:18:39,648 --> 01:18:41,616
decide that's the direction we

2211
01:18:41,616 --> 01:18:44,253
want to take the city, at

2212
01:18:44,253 --> 01:18:44,786
least uphold the current

2213
01:18:44,786 --> 01:18:46,287
meeting agreements,

2214
01:18:46,287 --> 01:18:48,190
grandfather the existing solar

2215
01:18:48,190 --> 01:18:48,791
customers, the made their

2216
01:18:48,791 --> 01:18:51,191
investment based on the

2217
01:18:51,561 --> 01:18:52,262
promises that csu made to us

2218
01:18:52,262 --> 01:18:56,462
do not pull the rug out under

2219
01:19:02,973 --> 01:19:04,575
us now. Thank you.

2220
01:19:04,575 --> 01:19:05,442
>> Next step I have a mandate.

2221
01:19:05,442 --> 01:19:08,442
Romero seeding time to John

2222
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:10,581
Hopkins. Amanda. Yes,

2223
01:19:10,581 --> 01:19:11,182
PRESIDENT, how you spend your

2224
01:19:11,182 --> 01:19:13,217
city your time to John

2225
01:19:13,217 --> 01:19:16,217
Hopkins. Yes, thank you. You

2226
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:18,290
have 6 minutes. Thank you.

2227
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:20,259
>> I thought it was going to

2228
01:19:20,259 --> 01:19:21,394
need 6 minutes today, but

2229
01:19:21,394 --> 01:19:22,327
everybody that spoke before me

2230
01:19:22,327 --> 01:19:23,963
did such an excellent job and

2231
01:19:23,963 --> 01:19:24,664
I'm not going to rehash

2232
01:19:24,664 --> 01:19:25,397
everything that they are. He

2233
01:19:25,397 --> 01:19:26,166
said, but I'll just bring up a

2234
01:19:26,166 --> 01:19:27,967
couple new points for you. I

2235
01:19:27,967 --> 01:19:30,967
do have a couplerocers. Can

2236
01:19:40,682 --> 01:19:41,616
I give these 2 guys? So for

2237
01:19:41,616 --> 01:19:42,416
the record, name is John

2238
01:19:42,416 --> 01:19:44,886
Tompkins. I'm a resident here.

2239
01:19:44,886 --> 01:19:48,486
I moved here in 2010 about a

2240
01:19:48,924 --> 01:19:51,827
house in 2014 when we bought

2241
01:19:51,827 --> 01:19:52,461
our house, my wife and

2242
01:19:52,461 --> 01:19:53,996
basically we the primary

2243
01:19:53,996 --> 01:19:55,697
reason we bought the house. We

2244
01:19:55,697 --> 01:19:56,399
did is because the house had a

2245
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:57,133
south facing roof so we could

2246
01:19:57,133 --> 01:20:00,870
put solar panels on as fast as

2247
01:20:00,870 --> 01:20:03,270
possible. In 2016, our house

2248
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:06,476
was destroyed by And we lucked

2249
01:20:06,476 --> 01:20:07,143
out because we did the roof

2250
01:20:07,143 --> 01:20:10,743
and the solar at the exact

2251
01:20:11,415 --> 01:20:12,583
same time. So it helped

2252
01:20:12,583 --> 01:20:14,551
electrical engineer by trade.

2253
01:20:14,551 --> 01:20:15,220
I've been a part of this

2254
01:20:15,220 --> 01:20:15,987
process since last year. I

2255
01:20:15,987 --> 01:20:18,387
appreciate everybody voting no

2256
01:20:18,657 --> 01:20:19,358
against this last year. And I

2257
01:20:19,358 --> 01:20:22,728
encourage you all to vote no,

2258
01:20:22,728 --> 01:20:23,828
again, this year. A couple of

2259
01:20:23,828 --> 01:20:25,364
the new things that will bring

2260
01:20:25,364 --> 01:20:26,980
up that nobody else brought up

2261
01:20:26,980 --> 01:20:28,567
is the fairness factor that

2262
01:20:28,567 --> 01:20:30,967
everybody keeps talking about.

2263
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:34,207
This is absolutely unfair and

2264
01:20:34,207 --> 01:20:35,410
it's especially unfair when

2265
01:20:35,410 --> 01:20:37,441
you compare certain solar

2266
01:20:38,945 --> 01:20:40,781
users to other solar users.

2267
01:20:40,781 --> 01:20:42,817
Solar panel user with 6 panels

2268
01:20:42,817 --> 01:20:44,180
will pay the same fees or

2269
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:47,618
fines that a solar panel user

2270
01:20:47,889 --> 01:20:48,589
with 50 solar panels will pay.

2271
01:20:48,589 --> 01:20:50,726
Those people are the people

2272
01:20:50,726 --> 01:20:53,726
that were trying to protect

2273
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:56,532
here. I have 32 solar panels.

2274
01:20:56,532 --> 01:20:58,500
I have 32 solar panels on

2275
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:01,500
Meyers. I also have batteries

2276
01:21:01,870 --> 01:21:02,539
both of these plans option

2277
01:21:02,539 --> 01:21:05,539
option to actually save me

2278
01:21:06,743 --> 01:21:07,577
money. The about 20 or $30 a

2279
01:21:07,577 --> 01:21:11,177
month. I'm still asking you to

2280
01:21:12,182 --> 01:21:12,716
vote. No. Because solar should

2281
01:21:12,716 --> 01:21:14,716
be encouraged, not

2282
01:21:16,687 --> 01:21:18,687
discouraged. Open the

2283
01:21:19,623 --> 01:21:20,591
conversation on this with

2284
01:21:20,591 --> 01:21:21,259
everybody including csu of

2285
01:21:21,259 --> 01:21:22,994
spoken Scott directly have

2286
01:21:22,994 --> 01:21:24,296
spoken with Tristan through

2287
01:21:24,296 --> 01:21:27,265
emails. We're trying to come

2288
01:21:27,265 --> 01:21:28,667
up with better solutions.

2289
01:21:28,667 --> 01:21:29,501
There are a few better

2290
01:21:29,501 --> 01:21:31,570
solutions out there. One of

2291
01:21:31,570 --> 01:21:32,939
them would be meter colors,

2292
01:21:32,939 --> 01:21:33,573
which I don't think we're

2293
01:21:33,573 --> 01:21:34,240
using it. But we might be

2294
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,240
thinking about using in the

2295
01:21:40,380 --> 01:21:43,380
future. Meter will reduce the

2296
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,187
cost to install the systems,

2297
01:21:46,187 --> 01:21:47,187
the battery systems, the solar

2298
01:21:47,187 --> 01:21:47,821
systems and therefore provide

2299
01:21:47,821 --> 01:21:48,423
and said incentive to get

2300
01:21:48,423 --> 01:21:50,423
through that peak 5, 9,

2301
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:54,428
period. Right now. I don't run

2302
01:21:54,428 --> 01:21:55,364
my batteries too much from 5

2303
01:21:55,364 --> 01:21:57,498
to 9. We're on kilowatt hour

2304
01:21:57,498 --> 01:21:58,167
for killer water credit. I've

2305
01:21:58,167 --> 01:22:01,767
heard a lot of other people

2306
01:22:01,971 --> 01:22:02,605
already talk about. Compromise

2307
01:22:02,605 --> 01:22:05,410
here. And that's what I'm

2308
01:22:05,410 --> 01:22:06,175
asking for is a little bit of

2309
01:22:06,175 --> 01:22:07,910
compromise. If we went to a

2310
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:10,910
dollar for dollar system, I

2311
01:22:11,748 --> 01:22:12,815
feel like it doesn't. And csu

2312
01:22:12,815 --> 01:22:13,984
said it doesn't complete

2313
01:22:13,984 --> 01:22:16,384
completely negate the cost

2314
01:22:18,956 --> 01:22:20,824
shift, but it does help a lot.

2315
01:22:20,824 --> 01:22:23,610
And whenever I talked to

2316
01:22:23,610 --> 01:22:23,761
people, my friend when I talk

2317
01:22:23,761 --> 01:22:24,361
to them and say, hey, there's

2318
01:22:24,361 --> 01:22:26,761
a cost shift, but $2.3,

2319
01:22:28,667 --> 01:22:29,934
dollars a month. They're more

2320
01:22:29,934 --> 01:22:30,669
like why are we even talking

2321
01:22:30,669 --> 01:22:33,639
about this? Why are we wasting

2322
01:22:33,639 --> 01:22:34,539
time? I was surprised by the

2323
01:22:34,539 --> 01:22:35,208
csu studies and the the

2324
01:22:35,208 --> 01:22:37,608
outreach when they actually

2325
01:22:38,545 --> 01:22:40,313
did it this year that the non

2326
01:22:40,313 --> 01:22:41,313
solar users were just kind of

2327
01:22:41,313 --> 01:22:42,140
like I would. What are we

2328
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:43,717
talking about? Like 2, we're

2329
01:22:43,717 --> 01:22:44,984
talking about $2 cup about

2330
01:22:44,984 --> 01:22:47,984
pennies here. The entire grid

2331
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:52,760
built on cost shift. I right

2332
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:53,528
next to a transmission plant.

2333
01:22:53,528 --> 01:22:56,970
It doesn't cost as much to

2334
01:22:56,970 --> 01:22:57,933
deliver electricity to me than

2335
01:22:57,933 --> 01:22:58,633
it does somebody 20 miles away

2336
01:22:58,633 --> 01:23:01,633
from away from a transmission

2337
01:23:03,710 --> 01:23:04,706
plant. So what I'm asking here

2338
01:23:04,706 --> 01:23:06,410
is just for a little bit of

2339
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:07,810
compromise. And then the last

2340
01:23:07,810 --> 01:23:08,511
2 minutes of my time, open to

2341
01:23:08,511 --> 01:23:10,911
conversation or questions or

2342
01:23:10,947 --> 01:23:11,614
anything like that. If anybody

2343
01:23:11,614 --> 01:23:14,614
had anything, they want to

2344
01:23:19,622 --> 01:23:20,424
chat about. COUNCILMAN Remy.

2345
01:23:20,424 --> 01:23:21,392
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I

2346
01:23:21,392 --> 01:23:24,392
thank you for the brochure

2347
01:23:24,929 --> 01:23:25,562
that you provide it.

2348
01:23:25,562 --> 01:23:27,962
>> Quick question I have

2349
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:32,330
there's an example. But then

2350
01:23:32,170 --> 01:23:32,871
the brochure of unattached

2351
01:23:32,871 --> 01:23:35,640
Bill model is like a qr code

2352
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,843
at the bottom. Think it Is

2353
01:23:37,843 --> 01:23:39,111
that something that you build

2354
01:23:39,111 --> 01:23:40,813
because you mentioned that you

2355
01:23:40,813 --> 01:23:42,681
spoke with csu. Is that

2356
01:23:42,681 --> 01:23:44,317
something that you

2357
01:23:44,317 --> 01:23:47,317
collaborated on a little bit?

2358
01:23:47,353 --> 01:23:47,787
Yeah. So the originals Excel

2359
01:23:47,787 --> 01:23:48,589
spreadsheet.

2360
01:23:48,589 --> 01:23:49,690
>> If you don't trust qr

2361
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:50,424
codes, you shouldn't. But I

2362
01:23:50,424 --> 01:23:54,240
promise you can trust me. It's

2363
01:23:54,561 --> 01:23:56,464
not a virus but if you don't

2364
01:23:56,464 --> 01:23:57,497
want to scan the qr code to

2365
01:23:57,497 --> 01:23:58,600
get to my Excel spreadsheet, I

2366
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,434
did what another resident

2367
01:23:59,434 --> 01:24:00,434
already did that built an

2368
01:24:00,434 --> 01:24:01,680
actual cost model to figure

2369
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,871
out what this is actually

2370
01:24:03,871 --> 01:24:06,474
going to cost people. A couple

2371
01:24:06,474 --> 01:24:09,474
examples of just I'm not

2372
01:24:12,915 --> 01:24:15,118
speaking. Too far out. So a

2373
01:24:15,118 --> 01:24:16,385
heat pump as 5,000 Watts.

2374
01:24:16,385 --> 01:24:17,454
That's $37 on demand charge

2375
01:24:17,454 --> 01:24:19,454
clothes, dryers. 3500 Watts.

2376
01:24:21,224 --> 01:24:21,858
That's $38 on the man charged

2377
01:24:21,858 --> 01:24:22,825
air-conditioners or 4,000

2378
01:24:22,825 --> 01:24:24,825
wants. That's 43 minutes. $43

2379
01:24:25,862 --> 01:24:26,463
on demand charges. If you do

2380
01:24:26,463 --> 01:24:28,766
any of these things in

2381
01:24:28,766 --> 01:24:31,166
combination, you're looking at

2382
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:32,804
$100, easy on-demand, churches

2383
01:24:32,804 --> 01:24:36,404
along and csu solution. As by

2384
01:24:38,577 --> 01:24:39,677
a $23,000 battery. Spent

2385
01:24:39,677 --> 01:24:41,680
$23,000 on solar panels. I

2386
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:42,881
don't want to spend another

2387
01:24:42,881 --> 01:24:43,682
23,000. I didn't saw batteries

2388
01:24:43,682 --> 01:24:44,750
because they do see the

2389
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:45,418
writing on the wall. I do see

2390
01:24:45,418 --> 01:24:47,850
the advantages to peak load

2391
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:48,955
shedding and everything like

2392
01:24:48,955 --> 01:24:51,570
that. I understand that there

2393
01:24:51,570 --> 01:24:51,958
is I need to get rid of that

2394
01:24:51,958 --> 01:24:54,358
demand usage between 5, 9, and

2395
01:24:56,462 --> 01:24:58,598
I do support that. To your

2396
01:24:58,598 --> 01:24:59,399
question. The Excel

2397
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:02,399
spreadsheet was by Nice, Ali.

2398
01:25:03,103 --> 01:25:04,339
And I did send it to Scott

2399
01:25:04,339 --> 01:25:05,406
Scott Peer reviewed it for me,

2400
01:25:05,406 --> 01:25:06,307
made some notes and some

2401
01:25:06,307 --> 01:25:07,800
changes on the rates because

2402
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,343
the rates this year a little

2403
01:25:09,343 --> 01:25:12,343
bit different than last year.

2404
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:15,150
So with that, I did it just

2405
01:25:15,150 --> 01:25:16,180
it. But you can go in and you

2406
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:16,652
can put your bill into this

2407
01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:19,652
and I have brochures for

2408
01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:20,990
anybody else who wants it. You

2409
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:23,590
can put your actual usage in

2410
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:24,270
the U.S. And it will tell you

2411
01:25:24,270 --> 01:25:25,228
exactly what these changes are

2412
01:25:25,228 --> 01:25:28,828
going to cost. And I guarantee

2413
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:31,768
you it's more than $23. Mark.

2414
01:25:31,768 --> 01:25:34,768
Thank you. Anybody else have

2415
01:25:34,872 --> 01:25:35,572
questions I don't see a need

2416
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:39,172
to Thank you very much. Thank

2417
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,615
you for your time. Next step

2418
01:25:43,615 --> 01:25:45,615
we have Heather.

2419
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:54,560
>> You now.

2420
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,160
>> good at like one of those

2421
01:26:00,433 --> 01:26:01,601
pressures. Hi, my name's

2422
01:26:01,601 --> 01:26:02,235
Heather. But now and our home

2423
01:26:02,235 --> 01:26:05,235
has been on that metering

2424
01:26:05,807 --> 01:26:06,807
agreement since 2018 with the

2425
01:26:06,807 --> 01:26:08,410
exception of about 2 months

2426
01:26:08,410 --> 01:26:09,577
last year, our electric bill

2427
01:26:09,577 --> 01:26:11,379
has been equal to the

2428
01:26:11,379 --> 01:26:12,470
connection charge. So in

2429
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:13,481
effect, we produce all the

2430
01:26:13,481 --> 01:26:15,584
energy we need for our

2431
01:26:15,584 --> 01:26:16,618
household. We invested a

2432
01:26:16,618 --> 01:26:17,852
significant amount to build

2433
01:26:17,852 --> 01:26:18,554
our system each month of

2434
01:26:18,554 --> 01:26:20,954
savings, guards goes towards

2435
01:26:21,357 --> 01:26:22,425
paying off that investment. As

2436
01:26:22,425 --> 01:26:23,759
you might imagine, the

2437
01:26:23,759 --> 01:26:24,461
discussion of an extra fee

2438
01:26:24,461 --> 01:26:27,461
whether we choose option one

2439
01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:28,230
or option 2 means that initial

2440
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:28,898
investment was made an

2441
01:26:28,898 --> 01:26:30,400
assumption that now MAY no

2442
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,000
longer be valid. We will pay

2443
01:26:34,438 --> 01:26:36,600
more each month. In fact, some

2444
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:36,707
solar advocacy groups estimate

2445
01:26:36,707 --> 01:26:39,777
that the average time to pay

2446
01:26:39,777 --> 01:26:40,444
off a system. We'll go from 7

2447
01:26:40,444 --> 01:26:42,847
years to over 30 years with

2448
01:26:42,847 --> 01:26:43,547
this rate change, there would

2449
01:26:43,547 --> 01:26:47,510
be no way to pay less or even

2450
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:47,719
pay that we currently pay. We

2451
01:26:47,719 --> 01:26:48,320
have no real control of our

2452
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:49,621
bill without a further

2453
01:26:49,621 --> 01:26:51,556
investment into a battery

2454
01:26:51,556 --> 01:26:52,291
pack. And when I asked for a

2455
01:26:52,291 --> 01:26:55,891
quote on the yesterday, it was

2456
01:26:56,295 --> 01:26:57,300
$30,000 to do that.

2457
01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:58,264
Furthermore, the Web page that

2458
01:26:58,264 --> 01:26:59,265
describes the options very

2459
01:26:59,265 --> 01:27:00,767
hard to interpret my husband

2460
01:27:00,767 --> 01:27:02,335
and I have both read it in

2461
01:27:02,335 --> 01:27:03,300
detail. We can make

2462
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:03,704
assumptions as to what the

2463
01:27:03,704 --> 01:27:06,704
terminology means and how it

2464
01:27:07,173 --> 01:27:08,800
applies to us. But there is no

2465
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:08,776
example are simple calculation

2466
01:27:08,776 --> 01:27:09,510
to follow to estimate the

2467
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:12,246
effect of these changes in our

2468
01:27:12,246 --> 01:27:12,980
household. It has been

2469
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:14,950
suggested that everyone will

2470
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:15,917
see an increase of $30 per

2471
01:27:15,917 --> 01:27:17,753
month. But I don't see how we

2472
01:27:17,753 --> 01:27:20,153
could confirm Except maybe

2473
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:22,925
not. And the education piece

2474
01:27:22,925 --> 01:27:23,558
of this puzzle is missing. It

2475
01:27:23,558 --> 01:27:25,958
also builds distrust and

2476
01:27:27,263 --> 01:27:27,964
frustration. Finally, there

2477
01:27:27,964 --> 01:27:28,631
are the questions of legality

2478
01:27:28,631 --> 01:27:29,999
of this move as well as the

2479
01:27:29,999 --> 01:27:32,101
lack of listening to solar

2480
01:27:32,101 --> 01:27:32,969
customers. The survey we were

2481
01:27:32,969 --> 01:27:35,839
sent was a series of questions

2482
01:27:35,839 --> 01:27:37,600
with no good answers. I wasn't

2483
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:37,574
even sure I should submit it

2484
01:27:37,574 --> 01:27:38,309
because it gives the

2485
01:27:38,309 --> 01:27:40,677
impression of preferences that

2486
01:27:40,677 --> 01:27:42,580
I don't have. I chose the

2487
01:27:42,580 --> 01:27:43,447
least bad of multiple bat

2488
01:27:43,447 --> 01:27:46,500
answers. I don't feel heard.

2489
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:47,284
And I know other solar users

2490
01:27:47,284 --> 01:27:49,684
have suggested more fairways,

2491
01:27:50,255 --> 01:27:50,956
converting energy inputs and

2492
01:27:50,956 --> 01:27:52,456
to monetary terms that could

2493
01:27:52,456 --> 01:27:54,460
be applied to higher rates

2494
01:27:54,460 --> 01:27:56,728
that would allow us some

2495
01:27:56,728 --> 01:27:57,429
control. The current situation

2496
01:27:57,429 --> 01:27:58,831
permanently settle this with

2497
01:27:58,831 --> 01:27:59,532
an extra fee and no confidence

2498
01:27:59,532 --> 01:28:02,532
that they will increase again

2499
01:28:04,871 --> 01:28:05,539
in the future. I guess my

2500
01:28:05,539 --> 01:28:07,674
question is, do we want to

2501
01:28:07,674 --> 01:28:09,642
encourage or discourage

2502
01:28:09,642 --> 01:28:11,645
rooftop solar? Are we entering

2503
01:28:11,645 --> 01:28:12,679
into an ai age or increased

2504
01:28:12,679 --> 01:28:13,314
energy needs require that

2505
01:28:13,314 --> 01:28:15,749
every source of energy be

2506
01:28:15,749 --> 01:28:16,751
explored and utilized. Why

2507
01:28:16,751 --> 01:28:18,819
would you disincentivize solar

2508
01:28:18,819 --> 01:28:20,555
installation and use at this

2509
01:28:20,555 --> 01:28:22,523
time? Also, we'll time of day

2510
01:28:22,523 --> 01:28:24,493
rates and a man charges even

2511
01:28:24,493 --> 01:28:25,193
make sense in the age of ai

2512
01:28:25,193 --> 01:28:25,894
data centers churning through

2513
01:28:25,894 --> 01:28:28,894
vast amounts of energy during

2514
01:28:29,632 --> 01:28:30,332
the work day. I ask that this

2515
01:28:30,332 --> 01:28:30,933
net metering change be

2516
01:28:30,933 --> 01:28:33,333
reconsidered and a fair

2517
01:28:33,936 --> 01:28:34,737
solution to be adopted. Please

2518
01:28:34,737 --> 01:28:36,672
include more so users in the

2519
01:28:36,672 --> 01:28:37,641
discussion and educate the

2520
01:28:37,641 --> 01:28:40,410
public about how potential

2521
01:28:47,752 --> 01:28:48,452
changes would apply to them.

2522
01:28:48,452 --> 01:28:51,452
>> Next step we have Deborah

2523
01:28:54,459 --> 01:28:56,459
Fortenberry.

2524
01:28:57,829 --> 01:28:58,597
>> Good morning and thank you.

2525
01:28:58,597 --> 01:29:00,899
My name is Deborah Fortenberry

2526
01:29:00,899 --> 01:29:02,935
and the Colorado Springs

2527
01:29:02,935 --> 01:29:04,403
Utilities, customer. I

2528
01:29:04,403 --> 01:29:05,104
appreciate the time that many

2529
01:29:05,104 --> 01:29:08,642
of you have given me and

2530
01:29:08,642 --> 01:29:09,342
speaking directly with you.

2531
01:29:09,342 --> 01:29:10,910
It's been a learning process

2532
01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:14,510
for me and one that I've

2533
01:29:14,514 --> 01:29:17,651
enjoyed one of the things that

2534
01:29:17,651 --> 01:29:20,354
I've learned is that the

2535
01:29:20,354 --> 01:29:21,990
founding fathers in 1918, 71

2536
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:24,893
named to the city of Colorado

2537
01:29:24,893 --> 01:29:26,327
Springs, the city of Sunshine.

2538
01:29:26,327 --> 01:29:29,927
And of course, this follows a

2539
01:29:29,999 --> 01:29:31,660
long tradition of the Native

2540
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:33,466
American peoples who are

2541
01:29:33,636 --> 01:29:36,572
shining mountain to the which

2542
01:29:36,572 --> 01:29:40,172
means a sun mountain. So this

2543
01:29:41,111 --> 01:29:41,745
long-held consciousness of the

2544
01:29:41,745 --> 01:29:43,880
benefits solar energy and

2545
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:44,815
presence in our community.

2546
01:29:44,815 --> 01:29:46,830
It's something I feel like is

2547
01:29:46,830 --> 01:29:48,886
an opportunity that we can

2548
01:29:48,886 --> 01:29:50,854
step into rather than than

2549
01:29:50,854 --> 01:29:51,489
impeding, which is what I

2550
01:29:51,489 --> 01:29:53,900
believe the current rate

2551
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:55,900
proposal rate increase

2552
01:29:57,161 --> 01:29:58,330
proposal does. It will impeach

2553
01:29:58,330 --> 01:29:59,764
solar it's an additional in

2554
01:29:59,764 --> 01:30:02,267
position to solar because, of

2555
01:30:02,267 --> 01:30:05,267
course, we are limited to 120%

2556
01:30:05,738 --> 01:30:07,439
build out when we darse

2557
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:08,140
rooftop solar 5 years ago and

2558
01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:10,540
that limitation is continuing

2559
01:30:11,478 --> 01:30:12,545
to this day. So now on now

2560
01:30:12,545 --> 01:30:15,382
that we've converted so many

2561
01:30:15,382 --> 01:30:17,751
of our appliances and heating

2562
01:30:17,751 --> 01:30:20,153
system to rooftop solar, to to

2563
01:30:20,153 --> 01:30:21,288
electric. We have to go back

2564
01:30:21,288 --> 01:30:22,220
through a construction

2565
01:30:22,220 --> 01:30:22,956
process, pay new fees that new

2566
01:30:22,956 --> 01:30:24,859
construction, new permitting

2567
01:30:24,859 --> 01:30:26,593
fees to build out our solar to

2568
01:30:26,593 --> 01:30:28,296
what we actually need to

2569
01:30:28,296 --> 01:30:30,632
produce 100% of the energy we

2570
01:30:30,632 --> 01:30:34,232
use, which is our goal. We

2571
01:30:34,603 --> 01:30:35,871
don't yet have batteries,

2572
01:30:35,871 --> 01:30:36,638
which I think is the great

2573
01:30:36,638 --> 01:30:38,240
opportunity here that I want

2574
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,240
to see color springs utilities

2575
01:30:44,614 --> 01:30:46,583
step into if we focus on the

2576
01:30:46,583 --> 01:30:48,585
opportunity to store the solar

2577
01:30:48,585 --> 01:30:50,553
power that we can generate

2578
01:30:50,553 --> 01:30:53,553
locally, we keep these funds

2579
01:30:54,825 --> 01:30:57,270
in our neighbors pocket right?

2580
01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:00,599
And we can close this gap on

2581
01:31:00,599 --> 01:31:02,600
what is perceived to be and

2582
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,169
energy storage gap that makes

2583
01:31:04,169 --> 01:31:07,169
solar unreliable. I think it's

2584
01:31:08,940 --> 01:31:09,674
not appropriate to see solar

2585
01:31:09,674 --> 01:31:11,100
is not reliable energy source,

2586
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:14,313
but rather one that we need

2587
01:31:14,313 --> 01:31:16,683
and we need sturridge

2588
01:31:16,683 --> 01:31:19,252
opportunity to close that gap.

2589
01:31:19,252 --> 01:31:22,556
And so my request. I believe

2590
01:31:22,556 --> 01:31:23,223
that we can do better. I

2591
01:31:23,223 --> 01:31:25,559
believe that we can come up

2592
01:31:25,559 --> 01:31:27,494
with a fair rate. That also

2593
01:31:27,494 --> 01:31:29,970
accomplishes this great

2594
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:31,198
opportunity. If we do that, if

2595
01:31:31,198 --> 01:31:34,798
we saw the storage gap, we

2596
01:31:35,136 --> 01:31:36,571
could be able to avoid

2597
01:31:36,571 --> 01:31:38,273
building replacement power

2598
01:31:38,273 --> 01:31:41,209
production when Nixon has to

2599
01:31:41,209 --> 01:31:43,779
retire. So that I think is a

2600
01:31:43,779 --> 01:31:45,214
great opportunity here. If we

2601
01:31:45,214 --> 01:31:45,881
focus instead on the battery

2602
01:31:45,881 --> 01:31:47,881
storage opportunity, my

2603
01:31:48,117 --> 01:31:51,117
request is that you prefer

2604
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:53,757
both issues to the you pack,

2605
01:31:53,757 --> 01:31:54,424
engage them, let them do a

2606
01:31:54,424 --> 01:31:56,424
comprehensive analysis and

2607
01:31:57,695 --> 01:31:58,428
report to city council. And,

2608
01:31:58,428 --> 01:31:59,130
you know, we I think there's a

2609
01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:01,530
great opportunity here. Thank

2610
01:32:06,838 --> 01:32:07,505
you very much. Thank you.

2611
01:32:07,505 --> 01:32:09,808
COUNCILMAN Hand. Thank you

2612
01:32:09,808 --> 01:32:11,409
very much. And Denver, thank

2613
01:32:11,409 --> 01:32:12,111
you for speaking in

2614
01:32:12,111 --> 01:32:14,212
particular. Number of people

2615
01:32:14,212 --> 01:32:16,212
have mentioned this,

2616
01:32:19,385 --> 01:32:22,222
>> I just received note the

2617
01:32:22,222 --> 01:32:24,257
attorney, a at csu, Renee Kohn

2618
01:32:24,257 --> 01:32:25,492
done that. Not recommending

2619
01:32:25,492 --> 01:32:27,227
that this code to pack because

2620
01:32:27,227 --> 01:32:29,496
this is a legislative matter

2621
01:32:29,496 --> 01:32:30,764
and I am in disagreement with

2622
01:32:30,764 --> 01:32:33,764
that. I actually think policy

2623
01:32:35,436 --> 01:32:36,837
is driving this rate case and

2624
01:32:36,837 --> 01:32:37,772
we've had this discussion

2625
01:32:37,772 --> 01:32:40,641
before as as a board and as a

2626
01:32:40,641 --> 01:32:41,376
counsel, I don't think. I'm

2627
01:32:41,376 --> 01:32:43,776
pretty confident not everybody

2628
01:32:44,746 --> 01:32:45,881
agrees with me, but I would

2629
01:32:45,881 --> 01:32:49,481
like to actually, if not now,

2630
01:32:49,552 --> 01:32:51,621
maybe after public comment.

2631
01:32:51,621 --> 01:32:53,122
Determine which is best MADAM

2632
01:32:53,122 --> 01:32:55,910
PRESIDENT, but I would like

2633
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:55,825
for the Condon, the attorney

2634
01:32:55,825 --> 01:32:58,950
to address this question about

2635
01:32:58,950 --> 01:33:00,495
you pack. After public

2636
01:33:01,298 --> 01:33:02,333
comment. That's fine.

2637
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:03,633
COUNCILMAN Duncan.

2638
01:33:03,633 --> 01:33:04,302
>> Yes, thank you, MADAM

2639
01:33:04,302 --> 01:33:06,670
PRESIDENT. And I would just

2640
01:33:06,670 --> 01:33:07,372
point out for my colleagues

2641
01:33:07,372 --> 01:33:11,572
that you pack is as its name

2642
01:33:12,177 --> 01:33:14,120
implied. An advisory committee

2643
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:14,812
about policy, not about rate

2644
01:33:14,812 --> 01:33:17,482
structure. We keep you back

2645
01:33:17,482 --> 01:33:21,187
out of that. So. If we adopted

2646
01:33:21,187 --> 01:33:21,920
this today, I would

2647
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,320
potentially support having you

2648
01:33:24,657 --> 01:33:27,657
back then look at different

2649
01:33:28,494 --> 01:33:30,264
battery to to bring in. To the

2650
01:33:30,264 --> 01:33:31,231
offerings of csu, but but not

2651
01:33:31,231 --> 01:33:34,267
to look at the rate structure

2652
01:33:34,267 --> 01:33:34,902
itself.

2653
01:33:34,902 --> 01:33:37,902
>> Next step we have Rick

2654
01:33:49,718 --> 01:33:51,718
Allen.

2655
01:33:53,689 --> 01:33:55,425
>> It's my first time in front

2656
01:33:55,425 --> 01:33:59,250
of any city council. But I

2657
01:33:59,629 --> 01:34:01,732
feel strongly about My name is

2658
01:34:01,732 --> 01:34:03,330
patrol around my home about a

2659
01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:06,633
year ago, we built our House 3

2660
01:34:06,636 --> 01:34:07,270
years ago on the West side.

2661
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:07,972
It's the first and to my

2662
01:34:07,972 --> 01:34:10,372
knowledge, the only certified

2663
01:34:10,875 --> 01:34:11,576
passive house in the city. And

2664
01:34:11,576 --> 01:34:14,446
therefore and claim it is the

2665
01:34:14,446 --> 01:34:16,548
most energy efficient house in

2666
01:34:16,548 --> 01:34:17,349
the city. We have 12 inch

2667
01:34:17,349 --> 01:34:19,749
thick, insulated walls, triple

2668
01:34:20,919 --> 01:34:21,586
pane windows and doors. No

2669
01:34:21,586 --> 01:34:23,856
firm. There's no baseboard

2670
01:34:23,856 --> 01:34:26,926
heaters. Know we see just and

2671
01:34:26,926 --> 01:34:29,926
no gas. Just electricity in

2672
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:32,265
the we need? We didn't do that

2673
01:34:32,265 --> 01:34:35,568
to save the planet. We did

2674
01:34:35,568 --> 01:34:36,135
that because as an engineer, I

2675
01:34:36,135 --> 01:34:37,871
think I'm now the 3rd

2676
01:34:37,871 --> 01:34:40,271
electrical engineer to stand

2677
01:34:41,709 --> 01:34:43,912
up here. I like efficiency.

2678
01:34:43,912 --> 01:34:46,800
Oppose the changes. Csu was

2679
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:47,716
proposed is the current rules

2680
01:34:47,716 --> 01:34:48,383
were critical factor in our

2681
01:34:48,383 --> 01:34:49,500
cost-benefit calculation to

2682
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:50,685
install solar in the first

2683
01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:54,285
place. And now they want to

2684
01:34:54,356 --> 01:34:56,559
change the equation. We

2685
01:34:56,559 --> 01:34:58,940
invested $27,000 after tax

2686
01:34:58,940 --> 01:34:58,795
credit in order to reduce

2687
01:34:58,795 --> 01:35:00,196
monthly bills and protect us

2688
01:35:00,196 --> 01:35:03,196
from future impacts like this

2689
01:35:04,134 --> 01:35:07,134
one. Neither of the 2 proposed

2690
01:35:07,838 --> 01:35:08,472
options are acceptable.

2691
01:35:08,472 --> 01:35:10,274
Particularly the one that

2692
01:35:10,274 --> 01:35:13,274
takes where the rover is

2693
01:35:16,214 --> 01:35:17,749
offensive, either warm. Would

2694
01:35:17,749 --> 01:35:18,382
dramatically increase. I was

2695
01:35:18,382 --> 01:35:20,782
actually horrified by the

2696
01:35:22,454 --> 01:35:24,722
church that he shared. There

2697
01:35:24,722 --> 01:35:25,457
would show massive increase in

2698
01:35:25,457 --> 01:35:26,525
the prices for the electricity

2699
01:35:26,525 --> 01:35:29,525
that we occasionally have to

2700
01:35:34,434 --> 01:35:36,636
pay. I also agree with My

2701
01:35:36,636 --> 01:35:39,390
fellow engineer here that it's

2702
01:35:39,390 --> 01:35:39,673
incorrect to say that solar

2703
01:35:39,673 --> 01:35:42,410
customers are raising the

2704
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:44,245
costs and other customers. It

2705
01:35:44,245 --> 01:35:46,714
would be inherently unfair to

2706
01:35:46,714 --> 01:35:47,582
increase our approaches when

2707
01:35:47,582 --> 01:35:48,315
we invested in this

2708
01:35:48,315 --> 01:35:50,715
installation under the current

2709
01:35:52,787 --> 01:35:56,387
rules. We chose to to install

2710
01:35:56,525 --> 01:35:58,193
a battery as others are said,

2711
01:35:58,193 --> 01:35:58,894
which usually gets us through

2712
01:35:58,894 --> 01:36:00,396
the night. Definitely gets us

2713
01:36:00,396 --> 01:36:01,897
through the 05:00pm 09:00pm

2714
01:36:01,897 --> 01:36:02,630
Peak hours. So we only take

2715
01:36:02,630 --> 01:36:05,367
power from the grid during off

2716
01:36:05,367 --> 01:36:08,367
peak terms. We'll still get

2717
01:36:10,508 --> 01:36:11,174
penalized under this plan. I

2718
01:36:11,174 --> 01:36:14,774
think if there is a problem

2719
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:18,780
and the professor explain

2720
01:36:20,385 --> 01:36:21,850
that. It does not. There are

2721
01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:22,586
many other options. So you've

2722
01:36:22,586 --> 01:36:26,186
heard today and I think it

2723
01:36:27,659 --> 01:36:28,526
would be well within your.

2724
01:36:28,526 --> 01:36:30,926
Requirement to investigate all

2725
01:36:30,963 --> 01:36:31,630
those options. Not just these

2726
01:36:31,630 --> 01:36:34,300
what are considered pretty

2727
01:36:35,101 --> 01:36:35,701
terrible options. So I ask you

2728
01:36:35,701 --> 01:36:38,101
to protect fair amount,

2729
01:36:38,538 --> 01:36:39,272
metering vote against this

2730
01:36:39,272 --> 01:36:41,672
proposal and investigate other

2731
01:36:47,681 --> 01:36:48,348
options. Thank you

2732
01:36:48,348 --> 01:36:49,216
>> COUNCILMAN Hinton, thank

2733
01:36:49,216 --> 01:36:51,118
you. MADAM PRESIDENT, I would

2734
01:36:51,118 --> 01:36:52,754
just like to make a request of

2735
01:36:52,754 --> 01:36:55,754
our cfo. Tristan, when you

2736
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:59,161
come back up to speak, if you

2737
01:36:59,161 --> 01:37:00,161
I just what I thought was an

2738
01:37:00,161 --> 01:37:00,895
incredibly powerful argument

2739
01:37:00,895 --> 01:37:01,997
that this particular customer.

2740
01:37:01,997 --> 01:37:03,498
I don't know if he's a unicorn

2741
01:37:03,498 --> 01:37:06,535
or not, but would in fact be

2742
01:37:06,535 --> 01:37:07,503
penalized by this rate case

2743
01:37:07,503 --> 01:37:11,103
based on what shared. And if

2744
01:37:11,374 --> 01:37:12,700
if that's true, you can do it

2745
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:12,742
later. When you come back

2746
01:37:12,742 --> 01:37:14,444
trust and I just want to put a

2747
01:37:14,444 --> 01:37:15,111
place holder and ask you to

2748
01:37:15,111 --> 01:37:18,648
please make a note of that.

2749
01:37:18,648 --> 01:37:20,648
Thank you.

2750
01:37:20,651 --> 01:37:21,751
>> Men PRESIDENT, if we could,

2751
01:37:21,751 --> 01:37:23,354
i would. But after us and just

2752
01:37:23,354 --> 01:37:23,955
address it right now, while

2753
01:37:23,955 --> 01:37:25,955
everyone remembers what

2754
01:37:26,324 --> 01:37:28,526
exactly was stated and

2755
01:37:28,526 --> 01:37:29,628
suggested cause I remember

2756
01:37:29,628 --> 01:37:32,664
talking. Yeah. I read it all.

2757
01:37:32,664 --> 01:37:35,664
Every male that's come in.

2758
01:37:36,535 --> 01:37:38,537
Talked with Tristan about this

2759
01:37:38,537 --> 01:37:39,338
6 Pacific example. I think

2760
01:37:39,338 --> 01:37:40,840
this this This is what we want

2761
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,610
to go to batteries with these

2762
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:44,310
with this rate case going

2763
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:44,978
trust In this case, I believe

2764
01:37:44,978 --> 01:37:47,214
the rate structure that we

2765
01:37:47,214 --> 01:37:47,881
have set up.

2766
01:37:47,881 --> 01:37:49,883
>> Is beneficial for anyone

2767
01:37:49,883 --> 01:37:53,220
that has a battery. So if you

2768
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:54,454
have a battery already with

2769
01:37:54,454 --> 01:37:55,622
your system that using that

2770
01:37:55,622 --> 01:37:56,324
battery from 5 to 9, can you

2771
01:37:56,324 --> 01:37:58,359
would avoid that? A man

2772
01:37:58,359 --> 01:38:00,128
charging option number 2,

2773
01:38:00,128 --> 01:38:01,163
completely option. Number 2,

2774
01:38:01,163 --> 01:38:01,829
you are able to continue to

2775
01:38:01,829 --> 01:38:04,199
roll over your credits from

2776
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:07,936
month to month. And so from a

2777
01:38:07,936 --> 01:38:10,720
cost impact standpoint, there

2778
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:11,173
isn't any impact. You also

2779
01:38:11,173 --> 01:38:11,874
have the opportunity when that

2780
01:38:11,874 --> 01:38:12,542
matter e use power in such a

2781
01:38:12,542 --> 01:38:15,542
different way that you can

2782
01:38:15,578 --> 01:38:16,279
come out ahead based on the

2783
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:19,879
time of day rates that would

2784
01:38:20,283 --> 01:38:21,151
put in place on option That

2785
01:38:21,151 --> 01:38:22,953
would be an option. One, an

2786
01:38:22,953 --> 01:38:25,953
option to its still standard

2787
01:38:26,590 --> 01:38:28,559
Kilowatt lot out. One for one

2788
01:38:28,559 --> 01:38:29,260
exchange. So all of those

2789
01:38:29,260 --> 01:38:30,862
things with a battery making

2790
01:38:30,862 --> 01:38:32,300
just a huge amount of

2791
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:35,300
difference. That's what we see

2792
01:38:36,635 --> 01:38:37,368
with this might the hold on

2793
01:38:37,368 --> 01:38:38,837
explanation that I gave at the

2794
01:38:38,837 --> 01:38:40,739
beginning was we've got a peek

2795
01:38:40,739 --> 01:38:43,739
system issue that's going on.

2796
01:38:44,610 --> 01:38:46,345
So from 05:00pm to 09:00pm, we

2797
01:38:46,345 --> 01:38:47,120
megawatts that are from 800 to

2798
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,612
right up to our peak, which

2799
01:38:51,985 --> 01:38:53,953
was set JULY JULY, 20th

2800
01:38:53,953 --> 01:38:55,953
04:45pm 1034 megawatts. That

2801
01:38:56,189 --> 01:38:58,292
was our all-time system peak

2802
01:38:58,292 --> 01:39:00,461
from 5 to 9 through the

2803
01:39:00,461 --> 01:39:02,663
summertime. That's when we see

2804
01:39:02,663 --> 01:39:03,331
that 22% of additional needed

2805
01:39:03,331 --> 01:39:04,899
infrastructure. That's 800

2806
01:39:04,899 --> 01:39:06,467
megawatts up to 1000 that were

2807
01:39:06,467 --> 01:39:07,202
we're building to be able to

2808
01:39:07,202 --> 01:39:10,202
cover during that time. That's

2809
01:39:10,606 --> 01:39:11,573
where the costs come from.

2810
01:39:11,573 --> 01:39:12,707
During that same period of

2811
01:39:12,707 --> 01:39:14,443
time, we see only about 30%

2812
01:39:14,443 --> 01:39:16,843
production from panels of

2813
01:39:18,714 --> 01:39:20,884
solar customers. That means

2814
01:39:20,884 --> 01:39:21,884
70% of that time, at least 70%

2815
01:39:21,884 --> 01:39:23,653
of the time they're leaning on

2816
01:39:23,653 --> 01:39:24,888
our system. And that's the

2817
01:39:24,888 --> 01:39:25,923
calculations that come back to

2818
01:39:25,923 --> 01:39:26,657
the 6 and a half million

2819
01:39:26,657 --> 01:39:29,657
dollars of contribution to the

2820
01:39:31,629 --> 01:39:32,763
peak infrastructure. There's

2821
01:39:32,763 --> 01:39:33,831
394 customers of are

2822
01:39:33,831 --> 01:39:34,532
approximately 11,000 solar

2823
01:39:34,532 --> 01:39:36,932
customers that have batteries

2824
01:39:37,869 --> 01:39:39,638
right now. Those customers

2825
01:39:39,638 --> 01:39:40,438
when see any change,

2826
01:39:40,438 --> 01:39:43,438
potentially and the way that

2827
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:44,677
they choose those options,

2828
01:39:44,677 --> 01:39:46,245
batteries changes that.

2829
01:39:46,245 --> 01:39:47,279
Changes the math. We need to

2830
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:48,347
recognize that and make sure

2831
01:39:48,347 --> 01:39:50,149
that our rates are set up in

2832
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:51,350
such a way if you're not

2833
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:53,750
contributing to that demand

2834
01:39:53,919 --> 01:39:54,553
through the use of a battery

2835
01:39:54,553 --> 01:39:56,953
that it doesn't natively

2836
01:39:56,957 --> 01:39:58,224
impact batteries can do that.

2837
01:39:58,224 --> 01:39:59,193
As we look at the programs and

2838
01:39:59,193 --> 01:40:00,760
things that we're trying to

2839
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,396
evaluate from both a virtual

2840
01:40:02,396 --> 01:40:04,796
power point, virtual power

2841
01:40:05,500 --> 01:40:07,167
plant standpoint dsm programs

2842
01:40:07,167 --> 01:40:09,167
demand side management

2843
01:40:09,336 --> 01:40:10,370
programs it would be looking

2844
01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:11,306
at and going and saying what

2845
01:40:11,306 --> 01:40:12,473
is the value of the baton? If

2846
01:40:12,473 --> 01:40:13,575
you want to own a batter

2847
01:40:13,575 --> 01:40:14,275
yourself already investing

2848
01:40:14,275 --> 01:40:16,678
that. What rebates should we

2849
01:40:16,678 --> 01:40:18,647
be giving you calculations and

2850
01:40:18,647 --> 01:40:20,583
matter in the works. But

2851
01:40:20,583 --> 01:40:21,316
again, it's when we do the

2852
01:40:21,316 --> 01:40:22,352
calculations of that and we're

2853
01:40:22,352 --> 01:40:22,985
starting with 4 and a half

2854
01:40:22,985 --> 01:40:25,385
million dollars under the

2855
01:40:25,922 --> 01:40:26,856
programs. Don't pencil out. If

2856
01:40:26,856 --> 01:40:28,692
we're able to get those things

2857
01:40:28,692 --> 01:40:30,660
taken care from rate

2858
01:40:30,660 --> 01:40:31,328
structure, standpoints, we

2859
01:40:31,328 --> 01:40:33,300
haven't potentially rebate

2860
01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:33,697
dollars that are available

2861
01:40:33,697 --> 01:40:35,166
that we can evaluate anyone

2862
01:40:35,166 --> 01:40:37,801
that wants own their own

2863
01:40:37,801 --> 01:40:38,436
battery. And we're also

2864
01:40:38,436 --> 01:40:39,871
investigating programs to

2865
01:40:39,871 --> 01:40:40,538
companies that offer hosted

2866
01:40:40,538 --> 01:40:43,538
batteries on both solar and

2867
01:40:45,577 --> 01:40:46,544
non solar customers

2868
01:40:46,544 --> 01:40:48,544
properties. Those programs

2869
01:40:49,814 --> 01:40:50,516
vary in cars. Some of them

2870
01:40:50,516 --> 01:40:51,150
have month a month charge is

2871
01:40:51,150 --> 01:40:52,851
somehow a one-time uptime

2872
01:40:52,851 --> 01:40:55,187
upfront fee. That's all

2873
01:40:55,187 --> 01:40:55,854
customers pay and it would be

2874
01:40:55,854 --> 01:40:56,423
enough to be able to cover

2875
01:40:56,423 --> 01:40:57,900
their use. Plus, have

2876
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:59,250
additional power that they

2877
01:40:59,250 --> 01:40:59,826
could send back to the grid.

2878
01:40:59,826 --> 01:41:00,560
These are all things that we

2879
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:01,194
would love to investigate, but

2880
01:41:01,194 --> 01:41:04,498
we just can't do that. If

2881
01:41:04,498 --> 01:41:05,165
we're starting from a negative

2882
01:41:05,165 --> 01:41:05,699
in the whole standpoint and

2883
01:41:05,699 --> 01:41:07,801
being able to cover

2884
01:41:07,801 --> 01:41:09,801
infrastructure costs. It's

2885
01:41:10,872 --> 01:41:14,472
been my number. I just wanted

2886
01:41:14,876 --> 01:41:15,577
to kind

2887
01:41:15,577 --> 01:41:17,679
>> Elevate what you just said

2888
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:19,448
a little bit because there's

2889
01:41:19,448 --> 01:41:22,448
understanding when we take off

2890
01:41:24,820 --> 01:41:25,520
power that we generate through

2891
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:26,255
solarwinds. So if the if the

2892
01:41:26,255 --> 01:41:26,923
wind's not blowing and the sun

2893
01:41:26,923 --> 01:41:27,623
is not out, so we got a big

2894
01:41:27,623 --> 01:41:30,623
cloud or something like that.

2895
01:41:31,161 --> 01:41:33,161
Whatever. Our current

2896
01:41:34,965 --> 01:41:36,199
generation of power, Israel is

2897
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:39,199
roughly like we're going want

2898
01:41:39,269 --> 01:41:39,970
to try to get out. Is Nixon.

2899
01:41:39,970 --> 01:41:43,875
We were going to have to take

2900
01:41:43,875 --> 01:41:44,909
down in 2028. And utility

2901
01:41:44,909 --> 01:41:47,309
successfully got that delayed

2902
01:41:48,146 --> 01:41:48,813
until 2033. But that's what I

2903
01:41:48,813 --> 01:41:51,813
see remember. And this wind

2904
01:41:53,419 --> 01:41:55,819
mean help recalling that's 400

2905
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:56,756
megawatts, 2, 100 megawatts

2906
01:41:56,756 --> 01:41:57,423
for MR. Ok? So that's we're

2907
01:41:57,423 --> 01:41:59,823
going to lose 200 megawatts

2908
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,760
wind that goes down and 33

2909
01:42:03,896 --> 01:42:05,799
right. So currently, what are

2910
01:42:05,799 --> 01:42:07,467
we just what are we able to

2911
01:42:07,467 --> 01:42:09,303
generate with just basically

2912
01:42:09,303 --> 01:42:11,171
natural gas? That's really our

2913
01:42:11,171 --> 01:42:11,872
only other option at this. No,

2914
01:42:11,872 --> 01:42:14,775
we do have some hydro up. But

2915
01:42:14,775 --> 01:42:15,410
that's pretty small. You know,

2916
01:42:15,410 --> 01:42:18,410
when we look through that

2917
01:42:18,713 --> 01:42:19,413
portfolio and you know, our

2918
01:42:19,413 --> 01:42:20,810
system, folks can correct me

2919
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:21,516
and we can get that number

2920
01:42:21,516 --> 01:42:23,385
exactly if we want to. But we

2921
01:42:23,385 --> 01:42:24,486
have approximately 500

2922
01:42:24,486 --> 01:42:25,119
megawatts from front range

2923
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,456
power. That is a combined

2924
01:42:27,456 --> 01:42:29,292
cycle. Natural gas plant. We

2925
01:42:29,292 --> 01:42:31,292
have approximately 150

2926
01:42:31,393 --> 01:42:32,228
megawatts from gas units that

2927
01:42:32,228 --> 01:42:35,497
are at the Drake site. Those

2928
01:42:35,497 --> 01:42:37,800
fast resources that are there.

2929
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:39,136
So we that that comes through

2930
01:42:39,136 --> 01:42:39,803
at the Nixon site as well. We

2931
01:42:39,803 --> 01:42:42,203
have 2 deaths peaking units

2932
01:42:42,306 --> 01:42:42,940
that are 30 megawatts each. So

2933
01:42:42,940 --> 01:42:44,940
there's 60 megawatts that

2934
01:42:48,279 --> 01:42:48,913
comes from that. Hydro

2935
01:42:48,913 --> 01:42:50,913
allocation. Tesla. Hydro,

2936
01:42:52,150 --> 01:42:54,786
which sits at the Air Force

2937
01:42:54,786 --> 01:42:55,487
Academy and drops water down

2938
01:42:55,487 --> 01:42:56,755
for import reservoir about 28

2939
01:42:56,755 --> 01:42:58,755
megawatts waters flowing

2940
01:42:58,858 --> 01:43:00,525
through there we get a federal

2941
01:43:00,525 --> 01:43:01,327
allocation of hydro power,

2942
01:43:01,327 --> 01:43:02,962
which is about 50 megawatts

2943
01:43:02,962 --> 01:43:03,662
that they deliver from to us

2944
01:43:03,662 --> 01:43:06,932
as well. When you look at all

2945
01:43:06,932 --> 01:43:07,634
of those resources and that's

2946
01:43:07,634 --> 01:43:09,535
not counting any of our

2947
01:43:09,535 --> 01:43:11,571
renewable contracts that we

2948
01:43:11,571 --> 01:43:12,205
have. That gets us pretty

2949
01:43:12,205 --> 01:43:14,605
close to the 10. 34 still

2950
01:43:15,476 --> 01:43:16,510
being able to be covered with

2951
01:43:16,510 --> 01:43:18,512
Nixon in the mix. The 200

2952
01:43:18,512 --> 01:43:19,213
that's there from Kuwait. And

2953
01:43:19,213 --> 01:43:20,681
that's what really trying to

2954
01:43:20,681 --> 01:43:22,617
get or we hit our max and our

2955
01:43:22,617 --> 01:43:23,984
max is not going to be our

2956
01:43:23,984 --> 01:43:24,719
max. We're going to keep

2957
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:28,257
pushing that as we as more and

2958
01:43:28,257 --> 01:43:29,525
more people get up electric

2959
01:43:29,525 --> 01:43:30,225
cars and more and more people

2960
01:43:30,225 --> 01:43:32,828
go electric and there's more

2961
01:43:32,828 --> 01:43:35,228
electric demand. We're going

2962
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:37,700
to be losing next. So we're

2963
01:43:37,700 --> 01:43:38,368
actually going to go into

2964
01:43:38,368 --> 01:43:40,136
deficit on power production

2965
01:43:40,136 --> 01:43:43,373
between 5 and 9. So we we have

2966
01:43:43,373 --> 01:43:45,409
to find a way to kind of

2967
01:43:45,409 --> 01:43:47,770
replace that kind of

2968
01:43:47,770 --> 01:43:49,477
infrastructure. And that's the

2969
01:43:49,513 --> 01:43:51,582
cost that the whole city has

2970
01:43:51,582 --> 01:43:52,282
to bear. So that's that's the

2971
01:43:52,282 --> 01:43:56,253
reality of it is like, how do

2972
01:43:56,253 --> 01:43:59,230
we? How do we generate power

2973
01:43:59,230 --> 01:43:59,657
during 5, And it and it's even

2974
01:43:59,657 --> 01:44:02,657
more of an impact because

2975
01:44:05,731 --> 01:44:07,660
we're going to lose. Nexon and

2976
01:44:07,660 --> 01:44:09,466
2033. That's correct. I didn't

2977
01:44:09,735 --> 01:44:10,370
leave out one other resource

2978
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:11,304
that we've recently added

2979
01:44:11,304 --> 01:44:13,907
within the last couple of

2980
01:44:13,907 --> 01:44:14,774
years. 100 megawatts

2981
01:44:14,774 --> 01:44:15,708
utility-scale battery. And I

2982
01:44:15,708 --> 01:44:16,410
like to highlight that just

2983
01:44:16,410 --> 01:44:20,100
for a moment, if that's right

2984
01:44:21,282 --> 01:44:21,983
and her 100 megawatts of

2985
01:44:21,983 --> 01:44:22,750
battery as we've entered into

2986
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:24,285
the market, the surf first

2987
01:44:24,285 --> 01:44:25,953
year in the southwest Power

2988
01:44:25,953 --> 01:44:29,553
pool market. So we've seen how

2989
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:30,725
batteries can operate dirt in

2990
01:44:30,725 --> 01:44:33,528
that market. So we regularly

2991
01:44:33,528 --> 01:44:35,431
see during the day time

2992
01:44:35,431 --> 01:44:36,498
period, solar generation, not

2993
01:44:36,498 --> 01:44:37,320
necessarily right in Colorado

2994
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,467
Springs, but in the

2995
01:44:38,467 --> 01:44:39,135
surrounding connected market

2996
01:44:39,135 --> 01:44:42,135
that's priced in the middle

2997
01:44:42,272 --> 01:44:43,405
part of the day. 4, as much 50

2998
01:44:43,405 --> 01:44:45,909
to $80. They will pay us to

2999
01:44:45,909 --> 01:44:48,612
take that energy so we will

3000
01:44:48,612 --> 01:44:50,246
pay you 50 to 80 dollars per

3001
01:44:50,246 --> 01:44:52,820
megawatt hour to take the

3002
01:44:52,820 --> 01:44:52,749
excess solar generation that's

3003
01:44:52,749 --> 01:44:56,654
out on the grid. We can put

3004
01:44:56,654 --> 01:44:58,155
that right into a battery. And

3005
01:44:58,155 --> 01:45:00,555
then 5 tonight is happening

3006
01:45:00,759 --> 01:45:02,260
and costs greatly increased.

3007
01:45:02,260 --> 01:45:03,462
We are able to flip that

3008
01:45:03,462 --> 01:45:06,462
battery and turn the exact

3009
01:45:08,366 --> 01:45:09,670
other way and push out energy.

3010
01:45:09,670 --> 01:45:10,303
Both onto our grid and solid

3011
01:45:10,303 --> 01:45:13,303
into that greater market. When

3012
01:45:13,339 --> 01:45:14,107
prices are hitting $50600,000,

3013
01:45:14,107 --> 01:45:14,773
a megawatt hour and that

3014
01:45:14,773 --> 01:45:18,110
market. So I will make sure

3015
01:45:18,110 --> 01:45:19,946
her to write that we're not

3016
01:45:19,946 --> 01:45:20,614
pain for solar energy certain

3017
01:45:20,614 --> 01:45:22,383
times of the day because of

3018
01:45:22,383 --> 01:45:24,783
this battery bank. We're

3019
01:45:25,753 --> 01:45:28,753
actually getting paid to take

3020
01:45:30,558 --> 01:45:31,625
So it's a critic. I mean,

3021
01:45:31,625 --> 01:45:32,928
Guest, right? That's the in

3022
01:45:32,928 --> 01:45:33,695
there are transmission costs

3023
01:45:33,695 --> 01:45:36,698
that come along. When you look

3024
01:45:36,698 --> 01:45:37,666
at all that when you're down

3025
01:45:37,666 --> 01:45:38,634
in the negative 50 to $80

3026
01:45:38,634 --> 01:45:39,935
range, we're getting paid to

3027
01:45:39,935 --> 01:45:41,903
take solar power on to our

3028
01:45:41,903 --> 01:45:43,206
system. If we have the room to

3029
01:45:43,206 --> 01:45:43,940
be able to use an honor system

3030
01:45:43,940 --> 01:45:47,377
now but there's one more point

3031
01:45:47,377 --> 01:45:49,112
to this with that we we with

3032
01:45:49,112 --> 01:45:51,512
our solar customers were

3033
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:54,284
locked in at a fee that when

3034
01:45:54,284 --> 01:45:57,287
we can go and get power a

3035
01:45:57,287 --> 01:45:59,556
credit of $50 or whatever it

3036
01:45:59,556 --> 01:46:01,325
is, we're locked in at a

3037
01:46:01,325 --> 01:46:04,295
payment to solar producers at

3038
01:46:04,295 --> 01:46:06,564
what rate it's about $0.13 a

3039
01:46:06,564 --> 01:46:07,499
kilowatt to a lot work pain,

3040
01:46:07,499 --> 01:46:09,330
$0.13 a kilowatt for the solar

3041
01:46:09,330 --> 01:46:12,633
panel. When we could go get

3042
01:46:12,704 --> 01:46:14,600
that and actually be paid 50,

3043
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:14,807
that's that's those are

3044
01:46:14,807 --> 01:46:18,407
extreme cases. It was not the

3045
01:46:18,811 --> 01:46:20,880
13 thirteen's lot. But there

3046
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:21,614
are times during the day where

3047
01:46:21,614 --> 01:46:24,351
the power in the middle of the

3048
01:46:24,351 --> 01:46:26,152
day is so cheap that it's

3049
01:46:26,152 --> 01:46:27,655
really difficult. And that

3050
01:46:27,655 --> 01:46:28,355
definitely wasn't the case

3051
01:46:28,355 --> 01:46:31,355
before. When we first started

3052
01:46:31,626 --> 01:46:32,660
this program in 2006,

3053
01:46:32,660 --> 01:46:34,863
saturation of solar was not

3054
01:46:34,863 --> 01:46:37,665
what it is now. Been so much

3055
01:46:37,665 --> 01:46:39,636
utilities, scale solar that

3056
01:46:39,636 --> 01:46:40,268
has been added that it just

3057
01:46:40,268 --> 01:46:42,704
makes it a huge amount of

3058
01:46:42,704 --> 01:46:46,304
change in that in those for

3059
01:46:47,176 --> 01:46:49,111
about. 3 to 4 since we can

3060
01:46:49,111 --> 01:46:50,460
purchase we have a purchase

3061
01:46:50,460 --> 01:46:50,914
power agreement with our

3062
01:46:50,914 --> 01:46:53,314
largest utility sites, solar

3063
01:46:54,951 --> 01:46:55,651
array and we're paying $0.13

3064
01:46:55,651 --> 01:46:58,510
for the generations that

3065
01:46:58,688 --> 01:47:00,391
that's coming from rooftops.

3066
01:47:00,391 --> 01:47:01,910
When it was a small amount of

3067
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:01,759
customers. The cost shift was

3068
01:47:01,759 --> 01:47:04,759
small enough that it wasn't

3069
01:47:05,395 --> 01:47:06,296
worth it. All of this effort,

3070
01:47:06,296 --> 01:47:06,965
we're up to 4 and a half

3071
01:47:06,965 --> 01:47:08,299
million dollars. That's not

3072
01:47:08,299 --> 01:47:09,868
being covered right now. But

3073
01:47:09,868 --> 01:47:10,635
that grows with every single

3074
01:47:10,635 --> 01:47:12,671
installation of another solar

3075
01:47:12,671 --> 01:47:15,710
customer at these current

3076
01:47:16,575 --> 01:47:17,242
rates. If we don't comment fix

3077
01:47:17,242 --> 01:47:18,411
the rate structure problem,

3078
01:47:18,411 --> 01:47:19,211
which has those energy credits

3079
01:47:19,211 --> 01:47:19,912
that are happening in the

3080
01:47:19,912 --> 01:47:22,448
daytime to avoid system costs

3081
01:47:22,448 --> 01:47:23,149
in the nighttime and I I get

3082
01:47:23,149 --> 01:47:25,451
there are many customers the

3083
01:47:25,451 --> 01:47:26,453
roll over from year to year,

3084
01:47:26,453 --> 01:47:27,854
but they still rely on our

3085
01:47:27,854 --> 01:47:28,688
electric grid in the evening

3086
01:47:28,688 --> 01:47:32,325
time. And I have to build just

3087
01:47:32,325 --> 01:47:34,261
as many transformers just as

3088
01:47:34,261 --> 01:47:34,995
many substations all of that

3089
01:47:34,995 --> 01:47:35,696
distribution infrastructure to

3090
01:47:35,696 --> 01:47:37,898
make sure that we have power

3091
01:47:37,898 --> 01:47:40,135
for those customers as well.

3092
01:47:40,135 --> 01:47:41,350
But because they're cashing in

3093
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:41,702
those credits which we maybe

3094
01:47:41,702 --> 01:47:44,539
aren't over paying for the

3095
01:47:44,539 --> 01:47:47,209
daytime a little bit. Now.

3096
01:47:47,209 --> 01:47:47,909
It's also knock. It's now on a

3097
01:47:47,909 --> 01:47:48,611
way that they are not paying

3098
01:47:48,611 --> 01:47:49,478
for all of the infrastructure

3099
01:47:49,478 --> 01:47:51,314
that they're using during

3100
01:47:51,314 --> 01:47:53,649
those peak times that we have

3101
01:47:53,649 --> 01:47:55,985
to build. So there was a

3102
01:47:55,985 --> 01:47:58,985
suggestion of being a have

3103
01:47:59,789 --> 01:48:00,390
honest charge to what solar 8

3104
01:48:00,390 --> 01:48:01,758
actually are that very

3105
01:48:01,758 --> 01:48:03,961
complicated because it's such

3106
01:48:03,961 --> 01:48:06,961
a volatile fossil me every

3107
01:48:07,899 --> 01:48:08,599
hour things changed right? And

3108
01:48:08,599 --> 01:48:09,233
so it be very, very difficult

3109
01:48:09,233 --> 01:48:09,900
to probably come up with

3110
01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:11,803
something like that. Maybe

3111
01:48:11,803 --> 01:48:15,403
down the road. You know, we

3112
01:48:15,740 --> 01:48:18,844
had more ai, but that would be

3113
01:48:18,844 --> 01:48:20,446
very, very challenging. So

3114
01:48:20,446 --> 01:48:21,479
pricing differences. And I

3115
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:22,782
think what I heard from

3116
01:48:22,782 --> 01:48:23,516
customers was just put us on

3117
01:48:23,516 --> 01:48:24,249
the energy wise rates on that.

3118
01:48:24,249 --> 01:48:27,387
We're asking from all the rest

3119
01:48:27,387 --> 01:48:28,870
of our customers. And that's

3120
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:28,788
part of the proposal that we

3121
01:48:28,788 --> 01:48:30,189
have an option. One is to go

3122
01:48:30,189 --> 01:48:31,191
to those rates when we did the

3123
01:48:31,191 --> 01:48:32,925
math and said don't put a grid

3124
01:48:32,925 --> 01:48:35,280
access fee on there, just

3125
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:35,896
charge the the energy rates

3126
01:48:35,896 --> 01:48:37,898
from on and off peak in

3127
01:48:37,898 --> 01:48:39,599
credit. Those if it's lower in

3128
01:48:39,599 --> 01:48:42,599
the daytime Ps, what on

3129
01:48:43,470 --> 01:48:44,720
daytime energy wise costs are

3130
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:44,973
and pay for the evening

3131
01:48:44,973 --> 01:48:47,973
production used both of those

3132
01:48:48,710 --> 01:48:49,444
when we applied those to 8400

3133
01:48:49,444 --> 01:48:53,440
customers that had a full set

3134
01:48:54,717 --> 01:48:55,684
of years worth of data of

3135
01:48:55,684 --> 01:48:56,284
reads on their system. It

3136
01:48:56,284 --> 01:48:58,684
covered about a million

3137
01:48:58,987 --> 01:48:59,823
dollars of the 4 and a half

3138
01:48:59,823 --> 01:49:01,791
million dollar shortfall. It

3139
01:49:01,791 --> 01:49:03,793
just does not work because you

3140
01:49:03,793 --> 01:49:05,863
are exchanging on a burial

3141
01:49:05,863 --> 01:49:08,650
little basis per kilowatt

3142
01:49:08,650 --> 01:49:08,665
hour. It's never going to

3143
01:49:08,665 --> 01:49:09,266
catch up because of the

3144
01:49:09,266 --> 01:49:10,634
interplay that happens.

3145
01:49:10,634 --> 01:49:12,360
There's long as credits in the

3146
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,305
daytime Houston the evening

3147
01:49:14,305 --> 01:49:16,373
hours. It will never catch up

3148
01:49:16,373 --> 01:49:18,476
no matter where you set those

3149
01:49:18,476 --> 01:49:19,177
rates that we have tied them

3150
01:49:19,177 --> 01:49:20,512
back to exactly what we have

3151
01:49:20,512 --> 01:49:21,246
for the rest of our code.

3152
01:49:21,246 --> 01:49:23,715
Customers over energy wise and

3153
01:49:23,715 --> 01:49:24,983
it makes up a million dollars.

3154
01:49:24,983 --> 01:49:25,751
3 and a half million dollars

3155
01:49:25,751 --> 01:49:27,719
still left hanging out there.

3156
01:49:27,719 --> 01:49:28,387
The girls with every single

3157
01:49:28,387 --> 01:49:30,556
customer that comes if went

3158
01:49:30,556 --> 01:49:31,223
with option, that's why we're

3159
01:49:31,223 --> 01:49:34,930
trying to make sure that we

3160
01:49:34,930 --> 01:49:35,462
have the rate structure to

3161
01:49:35,462 --> 01:49:36,196
ensure that everyone pays for

3162
01:49:36,196 --> 01:49:36,896
their part of the grid. That's

3163
01:49:36,896 --> 01:49:39,896
what the proposal comes down

3164
01:49:42,369 --> 01:49:46,569
to come. So I guess what I'm

3165
01:49:50,778 --> 01:49:52,847
wanting just to leave this we

3166
01:49:52,847 --> 01:49:54,148
csu was out a publicly held

3167
01:49:54,148 --> 01:49:55,500
utility and was a private

3168
01:49:55,500 --> 01:49:58,500
utility, would we be having

3169
01:50:00,255 --> 01:50:00,923
this conversation? Probably

3170
01:50:00,923 --> 01:50:03,923
probably not. I think it's

3171
01:50:04,994 --> 01:50:06,829
really because profit factors

3172
01:50:06,829 --> 01:50:08,698
that are there with the other

3173
01:50:08,698 --> 01:50:09,866
utilities. So when they look

3174
01:50:09,866 --> 01:50:11,100
at 4 and a half million

3175
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,402
dollars investment for a lot

3176
01:50:12,402 --> 01:50:13,700
of especially large investor

3177
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:15,470
owned utilities falls very

3178
01:50:15,538 --> 01:50:16,173
much inside of the guaranteed

3179
01:50:16,173 --> 01:50:16,874
profits that they get for

3180
01:50:16,874 --> 01:50:19,274
every piece of infrastructure

3181
01:50:20,545 --> 01:50:24,145
that they built. So they have

3182
01:50:24,782 --> 01:50:25,517
winds of net profit. Grosse

3183
01:50:25,517 --> 01:50:26,551
read our net revenue that

3184
01:50:26,551 --> 01:50:28,386
comes back at the end of the

3185
01:50:28,386 --> 01:50:31,257
day that they can invest into

3186
01:50:31,257 --> 01:50:33,426
these programs. All of our

3187
01:50:33,426 --> 01:50:34,360
costs generated on a cost

3188
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:35,940
service basis. What is the

3189
01:50:35,940 --> 01:50:36,328
cost to put the infrastructure

3190
01:50:36,328 --> 01:50:37,864
in place? We charge that to

3191
01:50:37,864 --> 01:50:38,598
our customers. We don't have a

3192
01:50:38,598 --> 01:50:40,332
net profit mine that we can go

3193
01:50:40,332 --> 01:50:42,535
back and say let's let's look

3194
01:50:42,535 --> 01:50:43,236
for programs that we can do

3195
01:50:43,236 --> 01:50:46,206
based on that. That's why I'm

3196
01:50:46,206 --> 01:50:46,874
saying when it comes to

3197
01:50:46,874 --> 01:50:49,274
battery programs and other

3198
01:50:49,343 --> 01:50:50,211
things, we have to get playing

3199
01:50:50,211 --> 01:50:52,790
field level aisd. So it's the

3200
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:53,848
same across all of our

3201
01:50:53,848 --> 01:50:54,515
customers. From that

3202
01:50:54,515 --> 01:50:55,683
standpoint, we can look at

3203
01:50:55,683 --> 01:50:56,451
what the value is. We can make

3204
01:50:56,451 --> 01:50:58,860
those calculations. We can see

3205
01:50:58,860 --> 01:50:59,121
how much value comes from our

3206
01:50:59,121 --> 01:51:01,557
entry into the spp market for

3207
01:51:01,557 --> 01:51:02,558
having batteries that are

3208
01:51:02,558 --> 01:51:05,558
available during that on peak

3209
01:51:06,495 --> 01:51:07,162
period of time and making

3210
01:51:07,162 --> 01:51:07,864
appropriate calculation of

3211
01:51:07,864 --> 01:51:08,564
this is what a rebate should

3212
01:51:08,564 --> 01:51:09,832
be for anyone that's already

3213
01:51:09,832 --> 01:51:10,466
installed the battery or

3214
01:51:10,466 --> 01:51:12,202
anyone that's planning to

3215
01:51:12,202 --> 01:51:15,500
install a battery. And we can

3216
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:17,405
look further into programs

3217
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:18,108
that have 3rd party hosted

3218
01:51:18,108 --> 01:51:19,476
batteries and what some of

3219
01:51:19,476 --> 01:51:20,477
those options are. They could

3220
01:51:20,477 --> 01:51:22,246
be very attractive for

3221
01:51:22,246 --> 01:51:23,314
customers that have solar and

3222
01:51:23,314 --> 01:51:23,981
for customers that don't have

3223
01:51:23,981 --> 01:51:25,750
solar, but just are looking

3224
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:27,118
for back up on their system.

3225
01:51:27,118 --> 01:51:27,852
Well, and I think that's what

3226
01:51:27,852 --> 01:51:30,588
I wanted to kind of highlight

3227
01:51:30,588 --> 01:51:32,988
those because we're community

3228
01:51:36,528 --> 01:51:37,930
health facility. We company.

3229
01:51:37,930 --> 01:51:39,531
We often reduced there.

3230
01:51:39,531 --> 01:51:40,165
There's been plenty of times

3231
01:51:40,165 --> 01:51:40,867
where reduced rates where

3232
01:51:40,867 --> 01:51:42,802
you're not going to find that

3233
01:51:42,802 --> 01:51:45,438
early in the private industry.

3234
01:51:45,438 --> 01:51:47,838
That doesn't really happen.

3235
01:51:48,575 --> 01:51:50,578
And so that's the beauty here.

3236
01:51:50,578 --> 01:51:52,646
And in so when we compare our

3237
01:51:52,646 --> 01:51:55,460
energy rates to electrical

3238
01:51:55,249 --> 01:51:58,860
companies in in the state, we

3239
01:51:58,860 --> 01:52:00,355
are incredibly lower and a lot

3240
01:52:00,355 --> 01:52:02,123
of companies as it is right

3241
01:52:02,123 --> 01:52:02,824
now, our electric rates, which

3242
01:52:02,824 --> 01:52:03,558
we price on a quarterly basis

3243
01:52:03,558 --> 01:52:05,958
are showing about 15% below

3244
01:52:07,296 --> 01:52:09,332
the front range average for

3245
01:52:09,332 --> 01:52:10,332
electric bills and that we do

3246
01:52:10,332 --> 01:52:11,734
really based on the way that

3247
01:52:11,734 --> 01:52:15,305
we've been able to do things

3248
01:52:15,305 --> 01:52:16,306
like with our 100 battery see

3249
01:52:16,306 --> 01:52:19,309
a decrease that we're ready to

3250
01:52:19,309 --> 01:52:21,277
propose for OCTOBER. 1st

3251
01:52:21,277 --> 01:52:23,446
discussed that utilities board

3252
01:52:23,446 --> 01:52:24,315
this month. So because we're

3253
01:52:24,315 --> 01:52:25,482
able to optimize some of our

3254
01:52:25,482 --> 01:52:26,183
resources, both or gas in our

3255
01:52:26,183 --> 01:52:28,886
battery and all of the other

3256
01:52:28,886 --> 01:52:29,753
resources we have. We've done

3257
01:52:29,753 --> 01:52:30,421
well for our customers and the

3258
01:52:30,421 --> 01:52:33,624
way that we've been able to

3259
01:52:33,624 --> 01:52:34,593
use our energy outside of the

3260
01:52:34,593 --> 01:52:35,660
system, those benefits we need

3261
01:52:35,660 --> 01:52:36,361
to be able to pass on her

3262
01:52:36,361 --> 01:52:37,280
customers and we can do that

3263
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,430
through mechanisms like the

3264
01:52:38,430 --> 01:52:40,830
electric cost adjustment. All

3265
01:52:42,801 --> 01:52:46,401
right. I think you. Next we

3266
01:52:53,713 --> 01:52:56,113
have Robert Blake, them.

3267
01:52:57,718 --> 01:52:59,653
>> Robot lace them up in a csu

3268
01:52:59,653 --> 01:53:02,323
Now, Tanya is a feel-like over

3269
01:53:02,323 --> 01:53:02,923
those 10 I've done everything.

3270
01:53:02,923 --> 01:53:05,923
The Cs first change my

3271
01:53:06,895 --> 01:53:09,895
lightbulbs to cfl's. Then you

3272
01:53:09,965 --> 01:53:10,999
told me my Christmas lights to

3273
01:53:10,999 --> 01:53:14,136
these and that change my house

3274
01:53:14,136 --> 01:53:16,739
lights to led these everything

3275
01:53:16,739 --> 01:53:17,440
you asked. You asked me to

3276
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:20,900
reduce consumption. So I made

3277
01:53:20,900 --> 01:53:22,900
it $20,000 investment to

3278
01:53:22,179 --> 01:53:24,579
further reduce consumption and

3279
01:53:26,616 --> 01:53:28,619
Now it turns out csu doesn't

3280
01:53:28,619 --> 01:53:29,653
like custom. Those don't use

3281
01:53:29,653 --> 01:53:32,657
much energy. When I look at

3282
01:53:32,657 --> 01:53:35,570
the practical reports, it's

3283
01:53:36,194 --> 01:53:36,962
very clear. You cover

3284
01:53:36,962 --> 01:53:38,962
infrastructure costs. 6

3285
01:53:41,633 --> 01:53:44,403
charges, but on usage. So as a

3286
01:53:44,403 --> 01:53:45,270
low usage I'm not paying much

3287
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:47,670
the infrastructure notice some

3288
01:53:52,779 --> 01:53:53,446
of my neighbors who do have is

3289
01:53:53,446 --> 01:53:56,850
much So are you going to do

3290
01:53:56,850 --> 01:53:58,850
the same? He going to

3291
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:59,953
introduce Dumont, touched

3292
01:53:59,953 --> 01:54:02,890
everybody. He uses less than

3293
01:54:02,890 --> 01:54:04,726
the average power to out

3294
01:54:04,726 --> 01:54:07,361
Colorado Springs talk a lot

3295
01:54:07,361 --> 01:54:11,561
about seems very me. I want to

3296
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:13,769
be pass the solution. Try and

3297
01:54:13,769 --> 01:54:14,502
reduce my 2 2 in the peak

3298
01:54:14,502 --> 01:54:17,906
times, even though it gets me,

3299
01:54:17,906 --> 01:54:20,906
no incentive. So I'm willing

3300
01:54:21,444 --> 01:54:22,378
to to pay something to to tour

3301
01:54:22,378 --> 01:54:24,380
a new power wind and solar is

3302
01:54:24,380 --> 01:54:27,980
not available to me. You could

3303
01:54:28,584 --> 01:54:31,584
meet 2 options. One option is

3304
01:54:33,490 --> 01:54:34,391
I just pace fix charge. It

3305
01:54:34,391 --> 01:54:36,791
doesn't incentive finds me

3306
01:54:39,931 --> 01:54:41,699
reduce my usage. It's just a

3307
01:54:41,699 --> 01:54:44,990
fix charge and blows. 25%

3308
01:54:45,771 --> 01:54:46,472
savings. Otherwise just roll

3309
01:54:46,472 --> 01:54:50,720
the dice, the charge of tried

3310
01:54:50,942 --> 01:54:51,610
for over a yeah to get

3311
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:54,100
information from csu. They

3312
01:54:55,448 --> 01:54:57,490
don't have it. They come

3313
01:54:57,490 --> 01:55:00,490
provide that. So what you're

3314
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:04,920
going to do is to 15 minutes I

3315
01:55:05,525 --> 01:55:06,660
get to choose my Muncy writes,

3316
01:55:06,660 --> 01:55:08,429
I accidently turn onto

3317
01:55:08,429 --> 01:55:11,429
appliances and that sets my

3318
01:55:11,432 --> 01:55:13,400
team charge them so that these

3319
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,400
2 options really do

3320
01:55:16,604 --> 01:55:17,306
incentivize me to save energy

3321
01:55:17,306 --> 01:55:20,906
Su last open. The many thank

3322
01:55:24,113 --> 01:55:26,113
you.

3323
01:55:36,260 --> 01:55:36,659
>> Except we have Day.

3324
01:55:36,659 --> 01:55:37,294
>> Thank you all for your

3325
01:55:37,294 --> 01:55:39,694
service. I appreciate you

3326
01:55:41,980 --> 01:55:44,340
being here. My name is Linda

3327
01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:46,434
Day. I live at 8, 0, 9, 0, 4,

3328
01:55:46,771 --> 01:55:47,438
And I'm going to go script

3329
01:55:47,438 --> 01:55:49,641
here for a minute because I

3330
01:55:49,641 --> 01:55:50,308
hope that you're listening to

3331
01:55:50,308 --> 01:55:53,611
us to the people that have

3332
01:55:53,611 --> 01:55:57,211
solar. I have deny. Have a

3333
01:55:58,851 --> 01:56:02,421
tap. Solar panels. I wish I

3334
01:56:02,421 --> 01:56:04,458
didn't have to be here again

3335
01:56:04,458 --> 01:56:06,593
to justify the value of

3336
01:56:06,593 --> 01:56:10,193
rooftop solar. Not only for us

3337
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,101
for you. For Colorado. The

3338
01:56:14,101 --> 01:56:17,101
Colorado Springs for that are.

3339
01:56:19,441 --> 01:56:21,441
>> By the world.

3340
01:56:22,411 --> 01:56:22,778
>> My husband and I invested

3341
01:56:22,778 --> 01:56:24,778
in solar.

3342
01:56:26,581 --> 01:56:28,317
>> To give back to society.

3343
01:56:28,317 --> 01:56:31,317
>> And to endorse the value.

3344
01:56:33,523 --> 01:56:35,591
Evan, not having fossil fuels.

3345
01:56:35,591 --> 01:56:37,127
We also thought that having

3346
01:56:37,127 --> 01:56:38,795
solar might lower our

3347
01:56:38,795 --> 01:56:41,795
electricity use when we are

3348
01:56:42,265 --> 01:56:46,136
old and we are old now. So you

3349
01:56:46,136 --> 01:56:46,771
would like to how a way to

3350
01:56:46,771 --> 01:56:48,771
offset escalating health

3351
01:56:53,244 --> 01:56:55,644
cough. Arcelor works. We've

3352
01:56:57,882 --> 01:56:58,550
had what do you call it? That

3353
01:56:58,550 --> 01:57:01,550
comes back we've had credit

3354
01:57:02,755 --> 01:57:05,155
comeback to You're welcome.

3355
01:57:08,595 --> 01:57:09,296
Respectfully. I asked you to

3356
01:57:09,296 --> 01:57:12,296
call for a comprehensive and

3357
01:57:14,634 --> 01:57:17,340
road Reevaluation of solar.

3358
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:20,875
For utility company. And to

3359
01:57:20,875 --> 01:57:23,875
change every utility user to

3360
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,880
the same rage. I reject the

3361
01:57:29,151 --> 01:57:29,885
guests use rate proposal and

3362
01:57:29,885 --> 01:57:33,485
ask you to reject the proposal

3363
01:57:38,628 --> 01:57:41,628
and demand. Eatery. Thank you.

3364
01:57:50,575 --> 01:57:52,142
Next step we Derek Law.

3365
01:57:52,142 --> 01:57:54,745
>> My name is Derek Law.

3366
01:57:54,745 --> 01:57:56,140
Retired Air Force and Space

3367
01:57:56,140 --> 01:57:58,414
Force veteran Colorado Springs

3368
01:58:00,251 --> 01:58:00,919
resident and solar customer.

3369
01:58:00,919 --> 01:58:01,619
Currently serving as acting

3370
01:58:01,619 --> 01:58:02,221
chair of the southeastern

3371
01:58:02,221 --> 01:58:04,621
chapter of the Colorado

3372
01:58:05,925 --> 01:58:06,592
Renewable Energy Society. Back

3373
01:58:06,592 --> 01:58:08,161
before net metering for the

3374
01:58:08,161 --> 01:58:11,761
second year in a row last

3375
01:58:11,965 --> 01:58:12,866
year, my request was simple.

3376
01:58:12,866 --> 01:58:14,567
Transparency. If Colorado

3377
01:58:14,567 --> 01:58:15,602
Springs utilities believes

3378
01:58:15,602 --> 01:58:18,200
rooftop solar customers are

3379
01:58:18,272 --> 01:58:18,973
shifting significant costs and

3380
01:58:18,973 --> 01:58:22,573
to our neighbors. Show us the

3381
01:58:22,777 --> 01:58:23,510
math. Since then, csu has

3382
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:24,912
conducted surveys focus groups

3383
01:58:24,912 --> 01:58:27,312
and public outreach. I

3384
01:58:27,549 --> 01:58:28,283
appreciate the effort, but

3385
01:58:28,283 --> 01:58:31,283
respectfully, that was not the

3386
01:58:32,154 --> 01:58:34,550
homework assignment. The one

3387
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:36,580
thing we needed was a

3388
01:58:36,580 --> 01:58:36,725
transparent reproducible

3389
01:58:36,725 --> 01:58:37,793
calculation showing how csu

3390
01:58:37,793 --> 01:58:40,129
arrived at claimed cost

3391
01:58:40,129 --> 01:58:43,129
transfer. We still have not

3392
01:58:45,535 --> 01:58:46,269
seen it. That is especially

3393
01:58:46,269 --> 01:58:48,269
troubling because independent

3394
01:58:48,272 --> 01:58:50,206
research points in a very

3395
01:58:50,206 --> 01:58:50,807
different direction. Studies

3396
01:58:50,807 --> 01:58:52,807
including research from

3397
01:58:53,177 --> 01:58:53,878
National Renewable Energy Labs

3398
01:58:53,878 --> 01:58:55,647
and found that the impact of

3399
01:58:55,647 --> 01:58:56,314
rooftop solar on non solar

3400
01:58:56,314 --> 01:58:58,714
customers is generally very

3401
01:59:00,318 --> 01:59:01,185
small. Does not automatically

3402
01:59:01,185 --> 01:59:03,855
prove there's 0 cost shift in

3403
01:59:03,855 --> 01:59:04,522
Colorado Springs. But it does

3404
01:59:04,522 --> 01:59:06,925
mean csu has the burden to

3405
01:59:06,925 --> 01:59:07,592
prove its local claim before

3406
01:59:07,592 --> 01:59:09,992
imposing new solar specific

3407
01:59:11,300 --> 01:59:12,898
charges. And that analysis

3408
01:59:12,898 --> 01:59:14,566
needs to include both sides of

3409
01:59:14,566 --> 01:59:17,471
the equation. The actual cost

3410
01:59:17,471 --> 01:59:19,939
of serving solar customers and

3411
01:59:19,939 --> 01:59:20,574
the value rooftop. Solar

3412
01:59:20,574 --> 01:59:22,574
provides through reduced

3413
01:59:24,411 --> 01:59:25,112
electricity purchases. Export

3414
01:59:25,112 --> 01:59:27,512
local generation and reduced

3415
01:59:27,915 --> 01:59:30,915
demand on the system. My

3416
01:59:31,519 --> 01:59:32,187
second concern is grandfather.

3417
01:59:32,187 --> 01:59:34,587
5 years is not meaningful.

3418
01:59:35,257 --> 01:59:35,924
Grandfather. I financed my

3419
01:59:35,924 --> 01:59:37,425
solar system through a home

3420
01:59:37,425 --> 01:59:39,162
equity line of credit. I still

3421
01:59:39,162 --> 01:59:41,130
have about 10 years before

3422
01:59:41,130 --> 01:59:43,665
that debt is paid off. I made

3423
01:59:43,665 --> 01:59:44,300
that investment based on c s

3424
01:59:44,300 --> 01:59:46,700
use existing net metering

3425
01:59:48,405 --> 01:59:49,105
structure. Using my own meter

3426
01:59:49,105 --> 01:59:52,408
data and see us use proposed

3427
01:59:52,408 --> 01:59:53,744
time of use rates. I calculate

3428
01:59:53,744 --> 01:59:56,460
these changes would cost my

3429
01:59:56,460 --> 01:59:56,947
household roughly $800 per

3430
01:59:56,947 --> 01:59:59,751
year. If I can estimate the

3431
01:59:59,751 --> 02:00:01,819
impact using my own data, csu

3432
02:00:01,819 --> 02:00:03,254
should be able to show us the

3433
02:00:03,254 --> 02:00:03,822
calculations based on its

3434
02:00:03,822 --> 02:00:05,822
claim systemwide cost

3435
02:00:07,959 --> 02:00:08,626
transfer. That is money. I

3436
02:00:08,626 --> 02:00:10,796
would lose. Well, I'm still

3437
02:00:10,796 --> 02:00:11,596
paying for the system and it

3438
02:00:11,596 --> 02:00:14,596
could extend my payback period

3439
02:00:16,569 --> 02:00:17,236
by more than a decade. I

3440
02:00:17,236 --> 02:00:19,636
cannot undo that investment

3441
02:00:20,573 --> 02:00:21,241
after csu changes the rules.

3442
02:00:21,241 --> 02:00:21,941
Existing systems should be

3443
02:00:21,941 --> 02:00:24,941
grandfathered for the life of

3444
02:00:26,547 --> 02:00:28,448
the system. Singling out

3445
02:00:28,448 --> 02:00:30,350
rooftop solar customers for

3446
02:00:30,350 --> 02:00:31,850
special charges without first

3447
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:33,485
demonstrating that we actually

3448
02:00:33,654 --> 02:00:35,223
impose additional costs raises

3449
02:00:35,223 --> 02:00:35,824
serious question under the

3450
02:00:35,824 --> 02:00:37,591
city's requirement. But

3451
02:00:37,591 --> 02:00:39,961
utility rates be just

3452
02:00:39,961 --> 02:00:41,463
reasonable and not unduly

3453
02:00:41,463 --> 02:00:43,980
discriminatory. Requests are

3454
02:00:43,980 --> 02:00:45,980
simple shows calculations

3455
02:00:45,267 --> 02:00:48,710
prove the cause shift account

3456
02:00:48,710 --> 02:00:49,605
for the value of rooftop solar

3457
02:00:49,605 --> 02:00:51,605
and permanently grandfather

3458
02:00:51,641 --> 02:00:52,342
existing customers until csu.

3459
02:00:52,342 --> 02:00:55,342
Does that please reject this

3460
02:01:00,351 --> 02:01:01,885
proposal?

3461
02:01:01,885 --> 02:01:04,488
>> Next step we have Carolyn

3462
02:01:04,488 --> 02:01:06,488
desks or

3463
02:01:07,625 --> 02:01:08,359
>> I hope I said that right.

3464
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:11,359
For some reason, it's building

3465
02:01:11,462 --> 02:01:12,196
its Carolyn Dickerson. Getting

3466
02:01:12,196 --> 02:01:15,333
que somewhere. There's a v and

3467
02:01:15,333 --> 02:01:17,333
there. Well, Caroline

3468
02:01:17,802 --> 02:01:20,202
Dickerson, cook it. First.

3469
02:01:20,707 --> 02:01:21,841
Thanks. Thanks for your

3470
02:01:21,841 --> 02:01:24,144
service. It's not easy to sit

3471
02:01:24,144 --> 02:01:24,778
there and listen to each

3472
02:01:24,778 --> 02:01:26,778
different perspective and

3473
02:01:27,347 --> 02:01:29,282
every different person and

3474
02:01:29,282 --> 02:01:32,352
>> it can be if it's tedious

3475
02:01:32,352 --> 02:01:33,954
for us it's to street. So

3476
02:01:33,954 --> 02:01:34,555
thank you. As you consider the

3477
02:01:34,555 --> 02:01:36,557
needs of our community

3478
02:01:36,557 --> 02:01:38,557
utility.

3479
02:01:39,327 --> 02:01:41,696
>> I keep hearing reliability

3480
02:01:41,696 --> 02:01:44,960
is really sought-after valued

3481
02:01:44,632 --> 02:01:47,802
and important. I get that. As

3482
02:01:47,802 --> 02:01:49,672
with many admirable goals.

3483
02:01:49,672 --> 02:01:51,139
There's a point of diminishing

3484
02:01:51,139 --> 02:01:53,139
return when pursuing

3485
02:01:56,513 --> 02:01:58,281
reliability. They're suing

3486
02:01:58,281 --> 02:01:59,816
reliability past that point

3487
02:01:59,816 --> 02:02:00,450
MAY lead to a willingness to

3488
02:02:00,450 --> 02:02:02,850
settle the community with

3489
02:02:05,822 --> 02:02:08,222
that. For example, planning

3490
02:02:08,258 --> 02:02:11,258
for the Porsche. The really

3491
02:02:12,596 --> 02:02:13,231
cool new nuclear power when

3492
02:02:13,231 --> 02:02:15,934
the known proven Chevy that

3493
02:02:15,934 --> 02:02:18,437
gets the job done by pairing

3494
02:02:18,437 --> 02:02:21,437
solar battery and wind. That

3495
02:02:22,410 --> 02:02:24,441
does the job. Pursuing

3496
02:02:25,511 --> 02:02:26,445
liability past that point MAY

3497
02:02:26,445 --> 02:02:29,445
lead to alien needing the

3498
02:02:30,316 --> 02:02:32,386
community. You represent. As

3499
02:02:32,386 --> 02:02:34,355
you move in ways that really

3500
02:02:34,355 --> 02:02:37,355
out of step with the

3501
02:02:38,559 --> 02:02:39,793
community's values. Pursuing

3502
02:02:39,793 --> 02:02:40,495
liability past that point MAY

3503
02:02:40,495 --> 02:02:44,950
even lead you to work against

3504
02:02:44,566 --> 02:02:46,468
the free market. Adding

3505
02:02:46,468 --> 02:02:47,235
unnecessary fees selecting one

3506
02:02:47,235 --> 02:02:49,638
part of our community to pay 2

3507
02:02:49,638 --> 02:02:50,372
or 3 times the cost per

3508
02:02:50,372 --> 02:02:53,375
kilowatt hour that the rest of

3509
02:02:53,375 --> 02:02:55,775
the community pays. Slowing

3510
02:02:57,179 --> 02:02:57,780
growth where it's growing.

3511
02:02:57,780 --> 02:02:59,780
Pursuing reliability is

3512
02:03:00,416 --> 02:03:01,650
laudable.

3513
02:03:01,650 --> 02:03:02,352
>> I get it and I know I don't

3514
02:03:02,352 --> 02:03:04,887
know near enough to know how

3515
02:03:04,887 --> 02:03:07,887
important that is. Pursuing it

3516
02:03:08,591 --> 02:03:09,660
at great cost against the

3517
02:03:09,660 --> 02:03:11,795
values of the community and at

3518
02:03:11,795 --> 02:03:12,797
the expense of regular

3519
02:03:12,797 --> 02:03:14,832
individuals puts all of us at

3520
02:03:14,832 --> 02:03:17,232
risk of debt. And

3521
02:03:19,136 --> 02:03:21,136
polarization. My question

3522
02:03:23,508 --> 02:03:24,876
really to you is. Why is the

3523
02:03:24,876 --> 02:03:26,946
cause shift with solar? The

3524
02:03:26,946 --> 02:03:29,649
one that needs to be singled

3525
02:03:29,649 --> 02:03:31,350
What about apartment dwellers?

3526
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:33,486
Apartment dwellers pay more.

3527
02:03:33,486 --> 02:03:35,355
Then people have single

3528
02:03:35,355 --> 02:03:36,220
residences even though people

3529
02:03:36,220 --> 02:03:37,590
with single residences uses

3530
02:03:37,590 --> 02:03:39,990
more electricity. What about

3531
02:03:41,462 --> 02:03:42,362
the people with water that has

3532
02:03:42,362 --> 02:03:43,731
to pumped way uphill for them

3533
02:03:43,731 --> 02:03:44,899
to have water from utilities.

3534
02:03:44,899 --> 02:03:47,435
Nobody asks me, do I want to

3535
02:03:47,435 --> 02:03:50,380
pay for that pump when water

3536
02:03:50,380 --> 02:03:51,974
just comes, gravity fed to me

3537
02:03:51,974 --> 02:03:56,174
what I don't get, why solar to

3538
02:03:56,345 --> 02:03:57,512
be the one. If the cause shift

3539
02:03:57,512 --> 02:03:59,982
Israel and if it accounts for

3540
02:03:59,982 --> 02:04:02,982
all the benefits of solar,

3541
02:04:03,352 --> 02:04:04,954
what the group that right now

3542
02:04:04,954 --> 02:04:06,589
is charged when other groups

3543
02:04:06,589 --> 02:04:10,789
that have a cost shift or not.

3544
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:16,901
Thank you for thinking.

3545
02:04:16,901 --> 02:04:17,568
>> I'm going take a 10 minute

3546
02:04:17,568 --> 02:04:21,168
break. We have quite a few

3547
02:04:31,174 --> 02:04:34,774
>> a lot of recess. Next step.

3548
02:04:36,147 --> 02:04:39,147
We have James Burnham. James

3549
02:04:54,834 --> 02:04:57,834
burned him. Graham clout. Dena

3550
02:05:10,170 --> 02:05:12,170
cam.

3551
02:05:26,569 --> 02:05:28,969
>> changes changes Is home.

3552
02:05:29,839 --> 02:05:31,741
Saying to hear that and it

3553
02:05:31,741 --> 02:05:33,376
states that callers Springs

3554
02:05:33,376 --> 02:05:34,110
utilities aims to transition

3555
02:05:34,110 --> 02:05:36,246
to a more sustainable energy

3556
02:05:36,246 --> 02:05:37,280
system by reducing carbon

3557
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:38,140
emissions.

3558
02:05:38,140 --> 02:05:39,583
>> And transitioning from call

3559
02:05:39,583 --> 02:05:41,983
to renewable energy. The

3560
02:05:43,587 --> 02:05:44,956
proposed solar rates do not

3561
02:05:44,956 --> 02:05:46,757
align with that commitment. Cs

3562
02:05:46,757 --> 02:05:48,560
used to propose options. Both

3563
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:49,460
result in the same estimated

3564
02:05:49,460 --> 02:05:51,860
impact an increase of

3565
02:05:52,300 --> 02:05:54,300
approximately $38 per month

3566
02:05:55,967 --> 02:05:57,637
calculated using 2027 rates.

3567
02:05:57,637 --> 02:05:58,337
This is a substantial new cars

3568
02:05:58,337 --> 02:06:00,737
spread in place specifically

3569
02:06:01,273 --> 02:06:03,343
on solar customers. So from my

3570
02:06:03,343 --> 02:06:05,344
example and my energy star

3571
02:06:05,344 --> 02:06:07,313
Energy-efficient 1700 Square

3572
02:06:07,313 --> 02:06:08,810
Foot House was built in 2021.

3573
02:06:08,810 --> 02:06:11,681
We also are using the peak

3574
02:06:14,121 --> 02:06:16,490
reward. So adjust energy use

3575
02:06:16,490 --> 02:06:17,424
at night. Winston Solar in

3576
02:06:17,424 --> 02:06:19,824
2022. To counter the expected

3577
02:06:20,270 --> 02:06:21,863
rise in electricity rates.

3578
02:06:21,863 --> 02:06:24,532
Here's what our actual utility

3579
02:06:24,532 --> 02:06:25,500
billing shows in 2020 to be

3580
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:27,360
for solar. All right. Bill

3581
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:30,360
total, Bill water, the whole

3582
02:06:30,907 --> 02:06:32,875
business was 2, 3, And since

3583
02:06:32,875 --> 02:06:35,440
then are even including access

3584
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:36,780
charges has been $50 less. So

3585
02:06:36,780 --> 02:06:38,648
we are saving wisler about 50

3586
02:06:38,648 --> 02:06:39,383
bucks. So it's not a lot, we

3587
02:06:39,383 --> 02:06:40,584
don't use a lot of electricity

3588
02:06:40,584 --> 02:06:43,584
again because we have very

3589
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:47,825
energy efficient House annual

3590
02:06:47,825 --> 02:06:48,492
access charge today is rapidly

3591
02:06:48,492 --> 02:06:49,194
with the $19 access charge

3592
02:06:49,194 --> 02:06:51,295
that it's today when we first

3593
02:06:51,295 --> 02:06:53,965
got it was 15. So it's roughly

3594
02:06:53,965 --> 02:06:56,965
$228 a year under the proposed

3595
02:06:58,470 --> 02:07:00,906
changes that would jumped to

3596
02:07:00,906 --> 02:07:02,841
$684 annually. That's the $19.

3597
02:07:02,841 --> 02:07:04,177
Plus $30 times 12. That's what

3598
02:07:04,177 --> 02:07:07,177
that is resulting in a

3599
02:07:07,747 --> 02:07:08,914
tripling of that access fee

3600
02:07:08,914 --> 02:07:09,750
before installing solar or

3601
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:12,150
annual bill was 23 91 last

3602
02:07:13,653 --> 02:07:16,523
year with solar. It was 1934

3603
02:07:16,523 --> 02:07:17,725
so we saved about 457 a year.

3604
02:07:17,725 --> 02:07:20,125
The proposed change would

3605
02:07:20,995 --> 02:07:21,595
increase our annual bill by

3606
02:07:21,595 --> 02:07:23,640
458. So it effectively

3607
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:24,732
eliminates all of our solar

3608
02:07:24,732 --> 02:07:27,669
savings. In other words, csu

3609
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:29,638
proposal, but financially

3610
02:07:29,638 --> 02:07:30,839
penalize residents who have

3611
02:07:30,839 --> 02:07:31,373
invested in renewable energy

3612
02:07:31,373 --> 02:07:33,476
do so in a way that

3613
02:07:33,476 --> 02:07:35,644
contradicts the stated goals,

3614
02:07:35,644 --> 02:07:37,447
the 2024 sustainable energy

3615
02:07:37,447 --> 02:07:38,147
plan. This is not just a rate

3616
02:07:38,147 --> 02:07:41,147
adjustment for people like me

3617
02:07:42,251 --> 02:07:44,530
that have newer homes. This is

3618
02:07:44,530 --> 02:07:44,721
a structural shift away from

3619
02:07:44,721 --> 02:07:46,990
Reno lot adoption away from

3620
02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:47,724
cost management commitments

3621
02:07:47,724 --> 02:07:49,160
and away from the

3622
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:51,560
sustainability goals that csu

3623
02:07:53,264 --> 02:07:55,330
public publicly set. It's More

3624
02:07:55,330 --> 02:07:55,633
severe than a peak demand rate

3625
02:07:55,633 --> 02:07:58,330
increase its a targeted

3626
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:59,871
reversal incentives that

3627
02:07:59,871 --> 02:08:00,605
encourage residents to adopt

3628
02:08:00,605 --> 02:08:02,874
solar in the first place. So

3629
02:08:02,874 --> 02:08:04,977
I'm asking you to oppose the

3630
02:08:04,977 --> 02:08:06,110
proposed changes and to

3631
02:08:06,110 --> 02:08:07,247
advocate for 8 structures that

3632
02:08:07,247 --> 02:08:08,181
support rather than undermine

3633
02:08:08,181 --> 02:08:09,882
the city's sustainability

3634
02:08:09,882 --> 02:08:12,282
commitments. Thank you. Thank

3635
02:08:13,319 --> 02:08:13,987
you.

3636
02:08:13,987 --> 02:08:16,987
>> Next step we have Tanner

3637
02:08:22,496 --> 02:08:23,463
Cox.

3638
02:08:23,463 --> 02:08:24,666
>> Thank you, MADAM.

3639
02:08:24,666 --> 02:08:27,660
PRESIDENT, members of Council,

3640
02:08:27,569 --> 02:08:28,469
my name is Terry a Colorado

3641
02:08:28,469 --> 02:08:29,971
Springs resident in the first

3642
02:08:29,971 --> 02:08:30,606
district. I am also the color

3643
02:08:30,606 --> 02:08:33,606
at a program director for

3644
02:08:34,900 --> 02:08:34,643
Solar United Neighbors today.

3645
02:08:34,643 --> 02:08:35,310
I'm asking you to reject

3646
02:08:35,310 --> 02:08:37,310
Colorado Springs utilities,

3647
02:08:37,747 --> 02:08:39,515
net metering proposal as a

3648
02:08:39,515 --> 02:08:40,183
quick aside, MR. Line Weber

3649
02:08:40,183 --> 02:08:42,583
about your question earlier

3650
02:08:43,453 --> 02:08:44,554
about for-profit utilities.

3651
02:08:44,554 --> 02:08:45,221
Unfortunately, do see this a

3652
02:08:45,221 --> 02:08:46,523
ton across the country and

3653
02:08:46,523 --> 02:08:48,923
for-profit utilities and in

3654
02:08:50,494 --> 02:08:51,228
fact, the roots of the cost

3655
02:08:51,228 --> 02:08:51,895
shift argument coming from the

3656
02:08:51,895 --> 02:08:53,797
Edison Electric Institute,

3657
02:08:53,797 --> 02:08:55,933
which is the think tank for

3658
02:08:55,933 --> 02:08:56,634
for-profit utilities, which

3659
02:08:56,634 --> 02:08:57,968
makes me even more concerned

3660
02:08:57,968 --> 02:08:59,737
that we're seeing this issue

3661
02:08:59,737 --> 02:09:01,840
crop up and community owned

3662
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,573
nonprofit utility that is not

3663
02:09:02,573 --> 02:09:04,973
trying to protect shareholder.

3664
02:09:05,944 --> 02:09:07,178
Bottom lines. Last winter, I

3665
02:09:07,178 --> 02:09:10,382
was able to sit down with MR.

3666
02:09:10,382 --> 02:09:11,117
Deal, MR. Gearhart and our

3667
02:09:11,117 --> 02:09:14,117
friends at the Colorado, Solar

3668
02:09:14,286 --> 02:09:16,686
and Storage Association in

3669
02:09:16,923 --> 02:09:17,623
that meeting expressed great

3670
02:09:17,623 --> 02:09:19,158
gratitude MR. Gearhart links

3671
02:09:19,158 --> 02:09:22,758
he's gone to engage the csu

3672
02:09:22,896 --> 02:09:23,463
customers. I know he's

3673
02:09:23,463 --> 02:09:24,197
probably responded to

3674
02:09:24,197 --> 02:09:25,999
thousands of emails had dozens

3675
02:09:25,999 --> 02:09:26,633
of in-person meetings and

3676
02:09:26,633 --> 02:09:29,633
overall csu has tried to

3677
02:09:30,170 --> 02:09:32,407
engage the community. Well, I

3678
02:09:32,407 --> 02:09:33,274
do value. Those efforts also

3679
02:09:33,274 --> 02:09:33,975
expressed that I feel like

3680
02:09:33,975 --> 02:09:34,675
we're putting the cart before

3681
02:09:34,675 --> 02:09:38,275
the horse a little bit here.

3682
02:09:38,447 --> 02:09:39,810
And I stand by that sentiment.

3683
02:09:39,810 --> 02:09:39,748
As I mentioned last year,

3684
02:09:39,748 --> 02:09:40,682
utilities are allowed to

3685
02:09:40,682 --> 02:09:43,820
design reasonable rates to

3686
02:09:43,786 --> 02:09:44,520
account for projected costs.

3687
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:47,520
However, a decrease in revenue

3688
02:09:47,590 --> 02:09:48,791
does not equate to a new cost.

3689
02:09:48,791 --> 02:09:50,126
This is especially true in our

3690
02:09:50,126 --> 02:09:53,960
case when the decreased amount

3691
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:54,164
solar owners pay represents

3692
02:09:54,164 --> 02:09:56,900
merely one percent of csu

3693
02:09:56,900 --> 02:09:58,690
Zahn, you electricity sales.

3694
02:09:58,690 --> 02:09:59,770
It's important to note that

3695
02:09:59,770 --> 02:10:01,205
neither the battle report nor

3696
02:10:01,205 --> 02:10:02,406
underlying data show that its

3697
02:10:02,406 --> 02:10:04,508
solar customers present any

3698
02:10:04,508 --> 02:10:06,778
new or unaccounted for costs

3699
02:10:06,778 --> 02:10:08,913
that non solar customers have

3700
02:10:08,913 --> 02:10:09,848
to bear even more. The broader

3701
02:10:09,848 --> 02:10:11,984
report makes a passing comment

3702
02:10:11,984 --> 02:10:12,952
about the benefits rooftop

3703
02:10:12,952 --> 02:10:13,652
solar provides, but it does

3704
02:10:13,652 --> 02:10:16,656
not include any hard data to

3705
02:10:16,656 --> 02:10:17,356
prove that, quote, those

3706
02:10:17,356 --> 02:10:17,957
benefits do not amount to the

3707
02:10:17,957 --> 02:10:20,357
full cost of providing

3708
02:10:21,761 --> 02:10:23,629
service. When presented with

3709
02:10:23,629 --> 02:10:25,650
underlying data. It appears

3710
02:10:25,650 --> 02:10:26,266
that no benefit evaluation has

3711
02:10:26,266 --> 02:10:27,670
been conducted at all on

3712
02:10:27,670 --> 02:10:29,467
behalf of the 11,000 solar

3713
02:10:31,471 --> 02:10:32,206
owners in Colorado Springs. I

3714
02:10:32,206 --> 02:10:34,475
am not suggesting that we only

3715
02:10:34,475 --> 02:10:35,710
look at the benefits rather. I

3716
02:10:35,710 --> 02:10:36,377
believe we should take the

3717
02:10:36,377 --> 02:10:39,977
costs and the benefits as a

3718
02:10:39,981 --> 02:10:40,882
whole picture. You consider

3719
02:10:40,882 --> 02:10:42,884
these changes, asked reflect

3720
02:10:42,884 --> 02:10:43,585
on a few questions. First has

3721
02:10:43,585 --> 02:10:45,985
customer behavior changes due

3722
02:10:47,356 --> 02:10:48,191
to time their rates has csu

3723
02:10:48,191 --> 02:10:48,891
evaluated any extra benefits

3724
02:10:48,891 --> 02:10:51,291
rooftop solar provides during

3725
02:10:52,328 --> 02:10:53,430
the early afternoon. Second

3726
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:54,364
has csu conducted any cross

3727
02:10:54,364 --> 02:10:57,301
study of the Costa serve solar

3728
02:10:57,301 --> 02:10:58,301
versus non solar customers.

3729
02:10:58,301 --> 02:11:01,301
3rd, given that we've never

3730
02:11:01,638 --> 02:11:02,773
hit 100% renewables in

3731
02:11:02,773 --> 02:11:03,441
Colorado Springs as he's you

3732
02:11:03,441 --> 02:11:05,409
studied her rooftop. Solar

3733
02:11:05,409 --> 02:11:07,450
offsets costly generation

3734
02:11:07,450 --> 02:11:07,612
sources, even when wholesale

3735
02:11:07,612 --> 02:11:09,612
solar electricity is

3736
02:11:10,348 --> 02:11:11,490
exceedingly chief. Thank you

3737
02:11:11,490 --> 02:11:13,452
for your time today. Happy to

3738
02:11:13,452 --> 02:11:14,520
answer any questions. And ask

3739
02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:17,652
you to vote no on this

3740
02:11:20,225 --> 02:11:22,225
proposal.

3741
02:11:33,573 --> 02:11:36,573
>> Except we have John Martin.

3742
02:11:37,812 --> 02:11:40,212
Todd Dorton House. David

3743
02:11:49,558 --> 02:11:50,225
level.

3744
02:11:50,225 --> 02:11:50,893
>> Good morning. My name is

3745
02:11:50,893 --> 02:11:51,594
David level and I reside in

3746
02:11:51,594 --> 02:11:53,994
district 6 in the northeast.

3747
02:11:54,397 --> 02:11:56,498
Part of Colorado Springs. We

3748
02:11:56,498 --> 02:11:57,167
had solar system installed in

3749
02:11:57,167 --> 02:11:59,567
FEBRUARY of 2022. To cost

3750
02:11:59,903 --> 02:12:01,838
around 15,000. It would have

3751
02:12:01,838 --> 02:12:04,508
been significantly more if we

3752
02:12:04,508 --> 02:12:05,775
were not take were able to

3753
02:12:05,775 --> 02:12:08,775
take advantage co-op that was

3754
02:12:10,381 --> 02:12:11,150
organized by solar United. On

3755
02:12:11,150 --> 02:12:12,750
an annual basis by panels

3756
02:12:12,750 --> 02:12:13,551
generate a little over 6,000

3757
02:12:13,551 --> 02:12:16,551
kilowatt hours. On average, I

3758
02:12:18,657 --> 02:12:19,391
produce 4200 and use 3160.

3759
02:12:19,391 --> 02:12:21,791
Thank you around 1000 kilowatt

3760
02:12:22,961 --> 02:12:24,330
hours annually. My current

3761
02:12:24,330 --> 02:12:25,664
bankable surpluses around 5200

3762
02:12:25,664 --> 02:12:26,431
kilowatt hours. I'm not

3763
02:12:26,431 --> 02:12:28,831
reimbursed for that surplus

3764
02:12:30,270 --> 02:12:32,270
whatsoever. The following

3765
02:12:32,472 --> 02:12:34,441
comments regarding a specific

3766
02:12:34,441 --> 02:12:35,275
proposal. This issue has been

3767
02:12:35,275 --> 02:12:36,209
argued on the basis of

3768
02:12:36,209 --> 02:12:38,278
fairness. Solar users are

3769
02:12:38,278 --> 02:12:40,181
being subsidized by non solar

3770
02:12:40,181 --> 02:12:42,382
users during the peak demand

3771
02:12:42,382 --> 02:12:43,151
period. What is ignored is the

3772
02:12:43,151 --> 02:12:45,151
contribution solar producers

3773
02:12:45,152 --> 02:12:45,853
provide during the peak

3774
02:12:45,853 --> 02:12:48,853
production period of the day.

3775
02:12:49,691 --> 02:12:50,359
Roughly 09:00am to 04:00pm. If

3776
02:12:50,359 --> 02:12:52,660
you look at see issues own

3777
02:12:52,660 --> 02:12:53,562
data, you will find that solar

3778
02:12:53,562 --> 02:12:54,262
producers provide a

3779
02:12:54,262 --> 02:12:55,564
significant dampening effect

3780
02:12:55,564 --> 02:12:57,964
in electrical demand during

3781
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:00,703
this period of the day. I

3782
02:13:00,703 --> 02:13:02,138
would argue that 11,000 solar

3783
02:13:02,138 --> 02:13:03,139
providers are subsidizing non

3784
02:13:03,139 --> 02:13:05,375
solar users during that time

3785
02:13:05,375 --> 02:13:07,744
train and it's not available

3786
02:13:07,744 --> 02:13:09,546
with further stress. The great

3787
02:13:09,546 --> 02:13:10,280
significantly, this is

3788
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:11,449
especially true during the hot

3789
02:13:11,449 --> 02:13:14,449
summer months when ac use

3790
02:13:14,919 --> 02:13:16,153
region reaches its peak. I

3791
02:13:16,153 --> 02:13:16,921
would ask why into the peak

3792
02:13:16,921 --> 02:13:17,622
demand option. The fuse based

3793
02:13:17,622 --> 02:13:19,324
on the highest use during the

3794
02:13:19,324 --> 02:13:22,527
peak demand period and not the

3795
02:13:22,527 --> 02:13:24,729
average or median value. We

3796
02:13:24,729 --> 02:13:25,397
don't We don't calibrate Suid

3797
02:13:25,397 --> 02:13:26,310
rates based on the highest

3798
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:27,660
water use period of the

3799
02:13:27,660 --> 02:13:29,868
summer. What are we doing? So

3800
02:13:29,868 --> 02:13:32,805
for peak demand. I have a

3801
02:13:32,805 --> 02:13:34,730
bankable surpluses. Csu. The

3802
02:13:34,730 --> 02:13:35,375
proposal seeks to charge me

3803
02:13:35,375 --> 02:13:37,210
for electricity and not using

3804
02:13:37,210 --> 02:13:38,445
simply because of the time of

3805
02:13:38,445 --> 02:13:40,480
day issue. Just like I cannot

3806
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:42,649
change when I generate

3807
02:13:42,649 --> 02:13:43,483
electricity. Csu cannot

3808
02:13:43,483 --> 02:13:44,118
dispute that I'm producing

3809
02:13:44,118 --> 02:13:46,518
more electricity than I'm

3810
02:13:47,588 --> 02:13:48,323
using. The peak demand

3811
02:13:48,323 --> 02:13:50,458
periods. The designed to

3812
02:13:50,458 --> 02:13:52,393
incentivize the shift to fuse

3813
02:13:52,393 --> 02:13:54,863
to time frames other than 5 to

3814
02:13:54,863 --> 02:13:55,763
9. What is the incentive for

3815
02:13:55,763 --> 02:13:56,398
solar producers? The

3816
02:13:56,398 --> 02:13:59,234
impression is we will be

3817
02:13:59,234 --> 02:14:01,634
charge regardless. Based on

3818
02:14:02,371 --> 02:14:03,506
the csu assumption that the

3819
02:14:03,506 --> 02:14:04,206
peak demand rate is roughly

3820
02:14:04,206 --> 02:14:06,176
equal to the flat rate fee.

3821
02:14:06,176 --> 02:14:07,677
What is a difference in

3822
02:14:07,677 --> 02:14:11,277
options was a flat rate. Fee

3823
02:14:11,281 --> 02:14:12,349
for electricity. We are using

3824
02:14:12,349 --> 02:14:13,884
proposed instead to church. So

3825
02:14:13,884 --> 02:14:15,486
uses a premium per kilowatt

3826
02:14:15,486 --> 02:14:17,540
hour fee for electricity use

3827
02:14:17,540 --> 02:14:17,755
during the peak demand period

3828
02:14:17,755 --> 02:14:20,155
bounced against their monthly

3829
02:14:22,930 --> 02:14:22,760
production. As currently

3830
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:23,361
presented a proposal being

3831
02:14:23,361 --> 02:14:25,620
considered based on the

3832
02:14:25,620 --> 02:14:25,964
highest use during the peak

3833
02:14:25,964 --> 02:14:26,531
man period. And what without

3834
02:14:26,531 --> 02:14:28,531
the consideration for

3835
02:14:29,568 --> 02:14:31,568
electricity? Produces more

3836
02:14:31,603 --> 02:14:33,940
revenue issue than a fairness

3837
02:14:33,940 --> 02:14:34,673
issue when fully implemented

3838
02:14:34,673 --> 02:14:37,673
the revenue generated based on

3839
02:14:39,211 --> 02:14:39,980
30 to $38 monthly fee would be

3840
02:14:39,980 --> 02:14:41,980
360 to 4.56 per household.

3841
02:14:43,817 --> 02:14:44,517
45 million per year as a

3842
02:14:44,517 --> 02:14:45,185
result of the negative impact

3843
02:14:45,185 --> 02:14:47,487
to 11,000 producers in the

3844
02:14:47,487 --> 02:14:48,890
local solar industry. I stand

3845
02:14:48,890 --> 02:14:49,923
opposed to this current net

3846
02:14:49,923 --> 02:14:50,724
metering proposal. I hope you

3847
02:14:50,724 --> 02:14:54,324
vote no. Thank you for your

3848
02:14:55,196 --> 02:14:55,830
time. Thank you.

3849
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:58,230
>> Except we have Andrew

3850
02:15:10,679 --> 02:15:12,679
Maverick.

3851
02:15:13,917 --> 02:15:15,618
>> Good morning. My name is

3852
02:15:15,618 --> 02:15:16,319
Andrew Maverick and I'm a

3853
02:15:16,319 --> 02:15:19,319
resident district 3 and a net

3854
02:15:20,190 --> 02:15:20,991
metering us for. Thank you all

3855
02:15:20,991 --> 02:15:23,991
for being here and listening

3856
02:15:27,932 --> 02:15:30,932
to today. Appreciate it. I

3857
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:33,105
understand that net metering

3858
02:15:33,105 --> 02:15:34,205
customers need to pay share of

3859
02:15:34,205 --> 02:15:35,741
like I need to pay my share of

3860
02:15:35,741 --> 02:15:38,741
excess some of these charges,

3861
02:15:38,844 --> 02:15:39,545
though. I do. Think we're

3862
02:15:39,545 --> 02:15:43,745
making a pretty big fuss of a

3863
02:15:44,951 --> 02:15:48,210
pretty part of c s use budget.

3864
02:15:48,210 --> 02:15:48,889
So I support the basic idea of

3865
02:15:48,889 --> 02:15:50,857
the proposal, but I think it's

3866
02:15:50,857 --> 02:15:52,726
unfair. And for 2 main

3867
02:15:52,726 --> 02:15:54,729
reasons, first, it would

3868
02:15:54,729 --> 02:15:55,729
greatly restrict the number of

3869
02:15:55,729 --> 02:15:57,398
solar customers who could roll

3870
02:15:57,398 --> 02:15:59,798
their unused energy forward.

3871
02:15:59,934 --> 02:16:02,136
As far as I can read from the

3872
02:16:02,136 --> 02:16:02,837
materials only existing

3873
02:16:02,837 --> 02:16:04,573
customers who choose that. A

3874
02:16:04,573 --> 02:16:07,573
man charged option with still

3875
02:16:09,770 --> 02:16:10,947
be able to roll forward. This

3876
02:16:10,947 --> 02:16:11,647
restriction on rolling forward

3877
02:16:11,647 --> 02:16:14,417
conflicts with a proposal to

3878
02:16:14,417 --> 02:16:16,817
increase the maximum allowed

3879
02:16:18,540 --> 02:16:19,456
solar system size from 120% to

3880
02:16:19,456 --> 02:16:21,958
200%. Why would anyone build a

3881
02:16:21,958 --> 02:16:22,959
bigger solar system if they

3882
02:16:22,959 --> 02:16:25,959
would just be giving away

3883
02:16:27,310 --> 02:16:29,800
their excess energy for free.

3884
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:30,902
Option. 2, the demand charge

3885
02:16:30,902 --> 02:16:34,502
claims to give us more control

3886
02:16:34,939 --> 02:16:37,209
over our bill. To have real

3887
02:16:37,209 --> 02:16:37,876
control. We need 2 things,

3888
02:16:37,876 --> 02:16:40,579
neither of which most solar

3889
02:16:40,579 --> 02:16:42,810
customers, half. To begin

3890
02:16:42,810 --> 02:16:42,782
with. We need to know how much

3891
02:16:42,782 --> 02:16:46,252
power we are using at any one

3892
02:16:46,252 --> 02:16:48,554
time. We can get generic

3893
02:16:48,554 --> 02:16:50,757
estimates. But that isn't good

3894
02:16:50,757 --> 02:16:52,792
enough. As other speakers have

3895
02:16:52,792 --> 02:16:54,280
pointed out that little

3896
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:56,296
accident of leaving appliances

3897
02:16:56,296 --> 02:16:56,930
on at the same time can cost

3898
02:16:56,930 --> 02:17:01,130
you big at the end of the

3899
02:17:02,937 --> 02:17:03,604
month. The bar chart in the

3900
02:17:03,604 --> 02:17:04,272
csu presentation shows that

3901
02:17:04,272 --> 02:17:06,672
demand charges will average

3902
02:17:07,209 --> 02:17:07,943
over $50 per month. And that

3903
02:17:07,943 --> 02:17:10,845
means some will be much higher

3904
02:17:10,845 --> 02:17:13,782
than that. Because had a very

3905
02:17:13,782 --> 02:17:15,782
informative article about

3906
02:17:16,118 --> 02:17:18,288
companies that are feet facing

3907
02:17:18,288 --> 02:17:18,888
huge increases in electricity

3908
02:17:18,888 --> 02:17:21,288
bills because of demand

3909
02:17:24,228 --> 02:17:26,290
charges. Suppose my bill shows

3910
02:17:26,290 --> 02:17:29,366
a big demand charge and I

3911
02:17:29,366 --> 02:17:31,669
think it's wrong. I won't have

3912
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:33,804
any information that I can use

3913
02:17:33,804 --> 02:17:36,941
to support my argument that I

3914
02:17:36,941 --> 02:17:37,943
got an incorrect bill. So

3915
02:17:37,943 --> 02:17:40,943
overall, I urge you to

3916
02:17:41,146 --> 02:17:43,810
preserve rolling forward for

3917
02:17:43,810 --> 02:17:44,316
all present and future solar

3918
02:17:44,316 --> 02:17:47,120
customers and to help us get

3919
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:47,753
the information we need for

3920
02:17:47,753 --> 02:17:51,353
the demand charge to be a

3921
02:17:51,791 --> 02:17:52,993
viable choice. I have a few

3922
02:17:52,993 --> 02:17:55,127
seconds left. So I want to not

3923
02:17:55,127 --> 02:17:57,630
just negative. Want to see

3924
02:17:57,630 --> 02:17:58,165
something positive. The

3925
02:17:58,165 --> 02:17:59,933
presentation from csu also

3926
02:17:59,933 --> 02:18:01,568
noted the imbalance between

3927
02:18:01,568 --> 02:18:04,710
solar power generation in the

3928
02:18:04,710 --> 02:18:06,607
daytime and peak demand in the

3929
02:18:06,607 --> 02:18:08,543
evening discussed battery

3930
02:18:08,543 --> 02:18:10,612
options. This would this kind

3931
02:18:10,612 --> 02:18:12,460
of thing would benefit

3932
02:18:12,460 --> 02:18:12,681
everyone. And I look forward

3933
02:18:12,681 --> 02:18:15,810
learning more about these

3934
02:18:17,619 --> 02:18:18,187
plans. Take.

3935
02:18:18,187 --> 02:18:20,587
>> Except we have Tom

3936
02:18:29,799 --> 02:18:30,533
Harrington.

3937
02:18:30,533 --> 02:18:32,469
>> Good morning. I have a live

3938
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:34,571
in Colorado Springs. 34 years

3939
02:18:34,571 --> 02:18:35,272
now in. That's the engine

3940
02:18:35,272 --> 02:18:37,408
district. I installed panels

3941
02:18:37,408 --> 02:18:39,377
on my house in 2022. Primarily

3942
02:18:39,377 --> 02:18:41,146
for environmental concerns,

3943
02:18:41,146 --> 02:18:41,846
but also in order to control

3944
02:18:41,846 --> 02:18:45,446
my expenses of the head into

3945
02:18:48,386 --> 02:18:50,323
retirement. I don't know

3946
02:18:50,323 --> 02:18:51,230
whether this plan is intended

3947
02:18:51,230 --> 02:18:51,723
to wipe resident resort, but

3948
02:18:51,723 --> 02:18:55,323
it certainly look to the lab

3949
02:18:55,928 --> 02:18:56,562
that affect implemented. Based

3950
02:18:56,562 --> 02:18:58,431
on estimates that csu has

3951
02:18:58,431 --> 02:19:00,831
presented meetings of the

3952
02:19:01,467 --> 02:19:03,570
monthly and annual cost of.

3953
02:19:03,570 --> 02:19:06,570
Either of their options over

3954
02:19:08,141 --> 02:19:08,843
the of my panels. Fees to csu

3955
02:19:08,843 --> 02:19:09,744
will exceed the costs of

3956
02:19:09,744 --> 02:19:12,744
getting house in the first

3957
02:19:13,414 --> 02:19:14,116
place. So that. More than half

3958
02:19:14,116 --> 02:19:15,250
of the costs of having solar

3959
02:19:15,250 --> 02:19:17,952
power will be not getting. The

3960
02:19:17,952 --> 02:19:18,620
panels will be paying month by

3961
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:21,620
month for the privilege of

3962
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:23,693
using them. If proposal had

3963
02:19:23,693 --> 02:19:26,693
been in effect in 2022, I

3964
02:19:27,464 --> 02:19:28,397
would not have content. If

3965
02:19:28,397 --> 02:19:31,234
this goes into effect. I'm not

3966
02:19:31,234 --> 02:19:33,136
sure whether even worth keep

3967
02:19:33,136 --> 02:19:33,871
my current panels active

3968
02:19:33,871 --> 02:19:34,471
recall. They should just check

3969
02:19:34,471 --> 02:19:38,800
to see its money on the

3970
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:39,677
monthly fees. And this well,

3971
02:19:39,677 --> 02:19:41,677
my panels consistently

3972
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:44,820
generate more power There's

3973
02:19:44,820 --> 02:19:47,682
talk about how much it costs

3974
02:19:50,155 --> 02:19:50,989
too used to much it cost csu

3975
02:19:50,989 --> 02:19:51,623
too. Compensate solar

3976
02:19:51,623 --> 02:19:54,230
customers for par, Janet.

3977
02:19:54,192 --> 02:19:54,826
During the day. But a pretty

3978
02:19:54,826 --> 02:19:56,195
significant chunk of the

3979
02:19:56,195 --> 02:19:57,896
parliament house and

3980
02:19:57,896 --> 02:19:58,565
generated. He's in credits

3981
02:19:58,565 --> 02:20:00,332
that I will never It would

3982
02:20:00,332 --> 02:20:01,167
never come it from forming at

3983
02:20:01,167 --> 02:20:04,303
all. And that's fine. I don't

3984
02:20:04,303 --> 02:20:04,972
mind that a bit. But I do

3985
02:20:04,972 --> 02:20:07,972
object to being charged for

3986
02:20:12,179 --> 02:20:15,179
having done that. That they

3987
02:20:16,884 --> 02:20:18,520
argue that If I'm concerned

3988
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:19,221
about the monthly charge that

3989
02:20:19,221 --> 02:20:20,689
man charged option will give

3990
02:20:20,689 --> 02:20:23,158
more control over the bill and

3991
02:20:23,158 --> 02:20:23,892
maybe it will. But that still

3992
02:20:23,892 --> 02:20:27,290
even more than a year after it

3993
02:20:27,290 --> 02:20:27,696
was first proposed. It's still

3994
02:20:27,696 --> 02:20:30,320
a complete and must far as

3995
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:30,833
getting most of the calls,

3996
02:20:30,833 --> 02:20:32,802
have no way of knowing what it

3997
02:20:32,802 --> 02:20:34,136
MAY cost me based on the past

3998
02:20:34,136 --> 02:20:36,706
use and the way predicting

3999
02:20:36,706 --> 02:20:38,675
what might be in any given

4000
02:20:38,675 --> 02:20:40,143
month so it's maybe a control

4001
02:20:40,143 --> 02:20:40,944
might cost, but it's

4002
02:20:40,944 --> 02:20:43,344
essentially rolling the dice

4003
02:20:44,581 --> 02:20:46,684
and hoping that I went out.

4004
02:20:46,684 --> 02:20:47,752
But also knowing that I lose

4005
02:20:47,752 --> 02:20:48,486
if I happened to the site to

4006
02:20:48,486 --> 02:20:49,186
cook dinner during the evening

4007
02:20:49,186 --> 02:20:52,786
hours or heat my home during

4008
02:20:53,391 --> 02:20:54,590
that time. They keep on

4009
02:20:54,590 --> 02:20:56,270
plugging if they purple at

4010
02:20:56,270 --> 02:20:59,270
last year. Council voted done

4011
02:20:59,966 --> 02:21:00,666
once already and they brought

4012
02:21:00,666 --> 02:21:01,367
back and I don't know to wear

4013
02:21:01,367 --> 02:21:03,770
down or what, but I feel like

4014
02:21:03,770 --> 02:21:05,604
there giving us this this,

4015
02:21:05,604 --> 02:21:06,272
like I said, rolling the dice

4016
02:21:06,272 --> 02:21:06,940
and hoping for the best and

4017
02:21:06,940 --> 02:21:08,408
maybe come out ahead. Maybe

4018
02:21:08,408 --> 02:21:11,745
you want to. But in a like

4019
02:21:11,745 --> 02:21:13,613
that. I would not have

4020
02:21:13,613 --> 02:21:14,281
installed panels of time. I

4021
02:21:14,281 --> 02:21:17,281
don't know whether I should

4022
02:21:17,318 --> 02:21:17,985
keep panels under this plan. I

4023
02:21:17,985 --> 02:21:20,985
hope both put against Thank

4024
02:21:23,240 --> 02:21:23,658
you.

4025
02:21:23,658 --> 02:21:26,658
>> Next step we have Wolf

4026
02:21:28,697 --> 02:21:29,464
Sterling.

4027
02:21:29,464 --> 02:21:32,464
>> Thank you for allowing me

4028
02:21:33,969 --> 02:21:36,839
to speak my name is Bill

4029
02:21:36,839 --> 02:21:37,540
Sterling. I'm a nuclear

4030
02:21:37,540 --> 02:21:39,575
engineer. My background is an

4031
02:21:39,575 --> 02:21:41,975
operating in designing nuclear

4032
02:21:42,446 --> 02:21:43,680
reactors. Why is that

4033
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:44,648
important today? Well, they

4034
02:21:44,648 --> 02:21:46,183
important today's Colorado

4035
02:21:46,183 --> 02:21:46,883
Springs Utilities has this

4036
02:21:46,883 --> 02:21:48,786
huge presentation on how they

4037
02:21:48,786 --> 02:21:51,122
want to subsidize our electric

4038
02:21:51,122 --> 02:21:54,240
with nuclear power. And that

4039
02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:54,726
is just magical thinking. The

4040
02:21:54,726 --> 02:21:57,261
cost to produce nuclear power

4041
02:21:57,261 --> 02:21:59,898
in this country. It's about

4042
02:21:59,898 --> 02:22:01,898
$15,000 per kilowatt takes

4043
02:22:01,900 --> 02:22:03,302
about 27 years to build a

4044
02:22:03,302 --> 02:22:03,936
player. We have nowhere to put

4045
02:22:03,936 --> 02:22:06,936
that nuclear waste and we

4046
02:22:08,874 --> 02:22:09,542
never will. The only way we

4047
02:22:09,542 --> 02:22:10,242
solve our power generation

4048
02:22:10,242 --> 02:22:12,546
problems is through renewable

4049
02:22:12,546 --> 02:22:13,212
energy. And the people in this

4050
02:22:13,212 --> 02:22:15,612
term, including myself and

4051
02:22:18,252 --> 02:22:18,919
invested in MR. Donaldson has

4052
02:22:18,919 --> 02:22:20,919
repeatedly mentioned along

4053
02:22:22,256 --> 02:22:22,890
with issue, we have a problem.

4054
02:22:22,890 --> 02:22:24,890
Renewables don't generate

4055
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:27,796
during peak hours. And their

4056
02:22:27,796 --> 02:22:30,796
solutions to that problem. For

4057
02:22:31,266 --> 02:22:32,534
example, Colorado Springs has

4058
02:22:32,534 --> 02:22:34,103
a series of reservoirs which

4059
02:22:34,103 --> 02:22:34,870
are currently not being used

4060
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:37,573
and there's no plan to use

4061
02:22:37,573 --> 02:22:40,243
them for pump power storage.

4062
02:22:40,243 --> 02:22:43,146
We could have batteries. But

4063
02:22:43,146 --> 02:22:44,114
what csu doesn't tell you, is

4064
02:22:44,114 --> 02:22:47,114
it huge purse? The town

4065
02:22:47,951 --> 02:22:50,351
especially district, one. The

4066
02:22:50,620 --> 02:22:52,590
system is at 208 volts, which

4067
02:22:52,590 --> 02:22:54,990
you cannot connect battery,

4068
02:22:57,495 --> 02:22:58,830
too. It has to be 220 votes

4069
02:22:58,830 --> 02:23:02,430
and csu. We'll not upgrade a

4070
02:23:03,168 --> 02:23:03,869
solar user from 208 to 220

4071
02:23:03,869 --> 02:23:06,269
votes until the transformers

4072
02:23:08,407 --> 02:23:09,342
in that neighborhood fail. Csu

4073
02:23:09,342 --> 02:23:12,942
wants us to reduce peak power.

4074
02:23:12,978 --> 02:23:15,649
Agree we should. There are

4075
02:23:15,649 --> 02:23:18,490
things like Condensing dryers

4076
02:23:18,184 --> 02:23:18,852
that use 70% less power than

4077
02:23:18,852 --> 02:23:21,252
traditional dryers try and

4078
02:23:21,387 --> 02:23:22,560
find one in the store here. Or

4079
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:25,560
even get someone who knows

4080
02:23:25,580 --> 02:23:25,726
anything about that. We have

4081
02:23:25,726 --> 02:23:28,496
lots of ways to reduce peak

4082
02:23:28,496 --> 02:23:32,330
power. And we're not doing any

4083
02:23:32,330 --> 02:23:35,633
of them. Csu has a single.

4084
02:23:36,571 --> 02:23:37,305
>> Option. Punish older users

4085
02:23:37,305 --> 02:23:40,208
because we don't produce power

4086
02:23:40,208 --> 02:23:42,678
in the evening, but a better

4087
02:23:42,678 --> 02:23:44,546
option is to say how do we as

4088
02:23:44,546 --> 02:23:46,682
a city ensure the reliability

4089
02:23:46,682 --> 02:23:49,785
of this really cool thing? We

4090
02:23:49,785 --> 02:23:51,355
have. We own our own utility

4091
02:23:51,355 --> 02:23:54,191
and we want that. We share the

4092
02:23:54,191 --> 02:23:55,125
thing. We want our utility to

4093
02:23:55,125 --> 02:23:55,826
be reliable. Nuclear power is

4094
02:23:55,826 --> 02:23:58,826
never going to happen. Never

4095
02:23:59,463 --> 02:24:00,164
going to happen. And I do that

4096
02:24:00,164 --> 02:24:00,765
because of an expert in this

4097
02:24:00,765 --> 02:24:03,165
field, I build nuclear

4098
02:24:03,368 --> 02:24:06,604
reactors. We have to find a

4099
02:24:06,604 --> 02:24:07,305
way to reduce peak power. Let

4100
02:24:07,305 --> 02:24:09,705
everyone have batteries. And

4101
02:24:09,775 --> 02:24:10,608
this proposal doesn't do it

4102
02:24:10,608 --> 02:24:12,878
all this does is punish people

4103
02:24:12,878 --> 02:24:15,714
who invested in the city. And

4104
02:24:15,714 --> 02:24:16,782
invite you and ask you, we

4105
02:24:16,782 --> 02:24:18,851
don't have to say no to this

4106
02:24:18,851 --> 02:24:21,121
forever, but we have to say

4107
02:24:21,121 --> 02:24:24,230
it's yes to a better solution

4108
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:25,492
that reduces peak power usage

4109
02:24:25,492 --> 02:24:26,493
and allows batteries for

4110
02:24:26,493 --> 02:24:29,196
everyone, not just the people

4111
02:24:29,196 --> 02:24:30,330
in the new neighborhoods, but

4112
02:24:30,330 --> 02:24:31,799
in the old neighborhoods. MISS

4113
02:24:31,799 --> 02:24:34,199
Williams, you represent. Thank

4114
02:24:34,602 --> 02:24:37,200
you for your time.

4115
02:24:41,276 --> 02:24:44,280
>> a next step. We have Amy

4116
02:24:44,280 --> 02:24:46,280
Pascal.

4117
02:24:56,694 --> 02:25:00,294
>> Amy Pascal. I think it's it

4118
02:25:01,832 --> 02:25:04,468
on. All right. Thank you so

4119
02:25:04,468 --> 02:25:05,169
much for the time to speak. I

4120
02:25:05,169 --> 02:25:07,569
appreciate it. Good afternoon

4121
02:25:07,605 --> 02:25:09,674
or morning council members. My

4122
02:25:09,674 --> 02:25:12,277
name is Amy Pasco. I am state

4123
02:25:12,277 --> 02:25:14,277
representative for House

4124
02:25:16,414 --> 02:25:18,317
District 18. I am also a solar

4125
02:25:18,317 --> 02:25:18,984
user and I am really impressed

4126
02:25:18,984 --> 02:25:22,321
by all the testimony that I

4127
02:25:22,321 --> 02:25:23,556
have heard some so far. We

4128
02:25:23,556 --> 02:25:24,958
have some very expert people

4129
02:25:24,958 --> 02:25:27,958
here. Some people have done

4130
02:25:28,761 --> 02:25:31,161
deep thinking data analysis

4131
02:25:31,665 --> 02:25:32,365
I'm sure this is deeper

4132
02:25:32,365 --> 02:25:33,660
information that what's yes,

4133
02:25:33,660 --> 02:25:33,968
you got from their survey. So

4134
02:25:33,968 --> 02:25:35,569
I think this is really

4135
02:25:35,569 --> 02:25:36,236
important information. I hope

4136
02:25:36,236 --> 02:25:39,836
y'all take it to heart and

4137
02:25:39,841 --> 02:25:42,778
listen to it I'm not going to

4138
02:25:42,778 --> 02:25:43,512
go deeply into the rate case

4139
02:25:43,512 --> 02:25:46,582
is because I think people have

4140
02:25:46,582 --> 02:25:47,983
covered a lot of that. But I

4141
02:25:47,983 --> 02:25:49,785
do think that there are some

4142
02:25:49,785 --> 02:25:50,852
issue areas here and this is a

4143
02:25:50,852 --> 02:25:51,520
better rate case than the one

4144
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:53,822
last DECEMBER. But I don't

4145
02:25:53,822 --> 02:25:54,490
think we're quite here yet. I

4146
02:25:54,490 --> 02:25:55,224
think there's a little bit

4147
02:25:55,224 --> 02:25:57,760
more work to do. And I do urge

4148
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:00,730
you to vote no, I did want to

4149
02:26:00,730 --> 02:26:02,700
touch on something. I've heard

4150
02:26:02,700 --> 02:26:05,135
repeatedly. It what a cfo

4151
02:26:05,135 --> 02:26:06,670
Gearhart said earlier about

4152
02:26:06,670 --> 02:26:07,705
the fact that having

4153
02:26:07,705 --> 02:26:09,741
residential solar paired with

4154
02:26:09,741 --> 02:26:11,842
a battery is a game changer.

4155
02:26:11,842 --> 02:26:13,645
And I think that's absolutely

4156
02:26:13,645 --> 02:26:15,446
true. So what that speaks to

4157
02:26:15,446 --> 02:26:18,183
me is that we want to get our

4158
02:26:18,183 --> 02:26:19,151
solar users using batteries.

4159
02:26:19,151 --> 02:26:22,151
They are expensive. I know

4160
02:26:22,955 --> 02:26:23,789
that I bought one last

4161
02:26:23,789 --> 02:26:25,357
DECEMBER band, especially the

4162
02:26:25,357 --> 02:26:28,957
folks who are on solar right

4163
02:26:29,229 --> 02:26:31,197
now, especially they've the

4164
02:26:31,197 --> 02:26:32,432
folks that are on fixed income

4165
02:26:32,432 --> 02:26:33,333
that put their plan together.

4166
02:26:33,333 --> 02:26:36,903
There is no room for them to

4167
02:26:36,903 --> 02:26:37,571
purchase a battery. And for

4168
02:26:37,571 --> 02:26:40,107
the folks said who need the

4169
02:26:40,107 --> 02:26:41,775
help the most? The lower

4170
02:26:41,775 --> 02:26:42,510
income folks who were using

4171
02:26:42,510 --> 02:26:45,450
battery or who have solar. But

4172
02:26:45,450 --> 02:26:46,647
don't have a battery. They are

4173
02:26:46,647 --> 02:26:50,652
also least able to pay for a

4174
02:26:50,652 --> 02:26:52,787
battery. So my suggestion is

4175
02:26:52,787 --> 02:26:53,521
let's have a battery rebate

4176
02:26:53,521 --> 02:26:55,791
program that pays at least 50%

4177
02:26:55,791 --> 02:26:57,600
of the cost even more. Now, I

4178
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,610
also heard cfo gear how we

4179
02:26:59,610 --> 02:27:01,531
need the math. Doesn't map on

4180
02:27:01,531 --> 02:27:03,333
that. I totally get it. I have

4181
02:27:03,333 --> 02:27:04,330
a suggestion. There's

4182
02:27:04,330 --> 02:27:06,170
something else going on city

4183
02:27:06,170 --> 02:27:09,770
right now. Data centers. I say

4184
02:27:10,140 --> 02:27:11,509
that for data centers, part of

4185
02:27:11,509 --> 02:27:13,110
the large low tariff or the

4186
02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:15,213
agreement for them to be able

4187
02:27:15,213 --> 02:27:16,380
to operate here is putting in

4188
02:27:16,380 --> 02:27:18,517
a chunk of money into a pool

4189
02:27:18,517 --> 02:27:21,186
of money that we can use to

4190
02:27:21,186 --> 02:27:21,920
fund batteries for folks

4191
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:23,455
Income-qualified least able to

4192
02:27:23,455 --> 02:27:25,855
pay for itThat's my

4193
02:27:30,397 --> 02:27:33,397
suggestion. Next step we have

4194
02:27:41,842 --> 02:27:42,476
Mike. But

4195
02:27:42,476 --> 02:27:43,143
>> good. Almost afternoon

4196
02:27:43,143 --> 02:27:44,912
members of City Council. My

4197
02:27:44,912 --> 02:27:45,613
name is Mike Foot on the

4198
02:27:45,613 --> 02:27:47,815
general counsel for coast of

4199
02:27:47,815 --> 02:27:49,550
the Colorado Solar and Storage

4200
02:27:49,550 --> 02:27:50,217
Association. We represent

4201
02:27:50,217 --> 02:27:51,920
about 250 solar and storage

4202
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:52,720
related businesses throughout

4203
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,120
Colorado, including the csu

4204
02:27:56,658 --> 02:27:57,292
service territory. I'm

4205
02:27:57,292 --> 02:27:57,927
assuming you're at the 3

4206
02:27:57,927 --> 02:27:58,627
letters sent by or ceo in

4207
02:27:58,627 --> 02:28:00,830
opposition to see issues that

4208
02:28:00,830 --> 02:28:01,564
metering rate hike. I would

4209
02:28:01,564 --> 02:28:04,968
like to offer a few thoughts

4210
02:28:04,968 --> 02:28:05,668
in addition to those letters.

4211
02:28:05,668 --> 02:28:07,690
First, while the city council

4212
02:28:07,690 --> 02:28:09,138
is relatively new to this

4213
02:28:09,138 --> 02:28:09,973
issue, hearing it last fall

4214
02:28:09,973 --> 02:28:11,975
and again, this summer as part

4215
02:28:11,975 --> 02:28:13,577
of a longstanding trend of

4216
02:28:13,577 --> 02:28:14,312
utilities attempting to reduce

4217
02:28:14,312 --> 02:28:17,312
the adoption of rooftop, solar

4218
02:28:17,548 --> 02:28:18,716
and their service territories.

4219
02:28:18,716 --> 02:28:19,350
Putting it simply rooftop.

4220
02:28:19,350 --> 02:28:21,750
Solar doesn't help their

4221
02:28:21,753 --> 02:28:22,454
bottom lines and they realize

4222
02:28:22,454 --> 02:28:23,870
the best way to stave it off

4223
02:28:23,870 --> 02:28:24,155
is to eliminate the cost

4224
02:28:24,155 --> 02:28:24,990
benefits to residents who MAY

4225
02:28:24,990 --> 02:28:27,990
choose solar and a revenue

4226
02:28:29,261 --> 02:28:29,928
problem is solved. Several

4227
02:28:29,928 --> 02:28:30,629
utilities and other states

4228
02:28:30,629 --> 02:28:32,264
have been successful in doing

4229
02:28:32,264 --> 02:28:32,898
just that. And they've seen

4230
02:28:32,898 --> 02:28:35,298
soared option plummet as

4231
02:28:35,467 --> 02:28:37,971
intended. But that's not been

4232
02:28:37,971 --> 02:28:38,804
the case here in Colorado

4233
02:28:38,804 --> 02:28:39,405
because of the 2008 state law

4234
02:28:39,405 --> 02:28:42,405
that we outlined in our

4235
02:28:42,642 --> 02:28:43,310
letters. The state statute

4236
02:28:43,310 --> 02:28:46,781
does not allow with csu is

4237
02:28:46,781 --> 02:28:47,481
asking you to do here. Unlike

4238
02:28:47,481 --> 02:28:49,717
statues and other states, it

4239
02:28:49,717 --> 02:28:52,717
does not have qualifiers like

4240
02:28:53,221 --> 02:28:53,888
you MAY not unduly charge

4241
02:28:53,888 --> 02:28:54,555
discriminatory rates to net

4242
02:28:54,555 --> 02:28:56,955
metering customers were. It

4243
02:28:58,590 --> 02:28:59,728
can't be unreasonable.

4244
02:28:59,728 --> 02:29:00,396
Colorado a net metering law

4245
02:29:00,396 --> 02:29:00,996
prohibiting discrimination

4246
02:29:00,996 --> 02:29:02,996
discriminatory rates is

4247
02:29:03,650 --> 02:29:04,000
unconditional. And it applies

4248
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:05,768
to all utilities and their

4249
02:29:05,768 --> 02:29:06,635
governing bodies throughout

4250
02:29:06,635 --> 02:29:08,505
the state. In other words,

4251
02:29:08,505 --> 02:29:10,607
there is no municipal carve

4252
02:29:10,607 --> 02:29:11,240
out utilities in Colorado are

4253
02:29:11,240 --> 02:29:13,176
prohibited from doing it

4254
02:29:13,176 --> 02:29:13,677
regardless of what kind of

4255
02:29:13,677 --> 02:29:14,277
utility where the

4256
02:29:14,277 --> 02:29:16,277
reasonableness of their

4257
02:29:16,647 --> 02:29:19,116
argument. Not that some have

4258
02:29:19,116 --> 02:29:20,418
been seriously considered it.

4259
02:29:20,418 --> 02:29:21,180
And one investor owned

4260
02:29:21,180 --> 02:29:22,953
utilities south of here

4261
02:29:22,953 --> 02:29:24,155
actually tried it about 10

4262
02:29:24,155 --> 02:29:26,230
years ago, but was rejected by

4263
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:27,992
the Public Utilities

4264
02:29:27,992 --> 02:29:28,693
Commission. But when the other

4265
02:29:28,693 --> 02:29:30,562
utilities are alerted to the

4266
02:29:30,562 --> 02:29:31,863
state law and they further

4267
02:29:31,863 --> 02:29:33,966
consider it, they almost

4268
02:29:33,966 --> 02:29:35,734
always choose to not pursue it

4269
02:29:35,734 --> 02:29:36,369
further. That just happened

4270
02:29:36,369 --> 02:29:37,870
last month with the Rural

4271
02:29:37,870 --> 02:29:38,904
Electric Co-op not too far

4272
02:29:38,904 --> 02:29:42,504
from here. Csu is the outlier,

4273
02:29:43,643 --> 02:29:44,644
though. Now as a matter of

4274
02:29:44,644 --> 02:29:45,646
policy and personal belief,

4275
02:29:45,646 --> 02:29:46,280
you MAY find see issues

4276
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:48,449
arguments about why they

4277
02:29:48,449 --> 02:29:49,149
should be allowed to charge

4278
02:29:49,149 --> 02:29:49,749
discriminatory rates. Tim at

4279
02:29:49,749 --> 02:29:51,749
net metering customers

4280
02:29:51,953 --> 02:29:54,353
persuasive. And that's fine.

4281
02:29:54,354 --> 02:29:55,123
And that's not out of bounds.

4282
02:29:55,123 --> 02:29:57,925
But it doesn't change the

4283
02:29:57,925 --> 02:29:58,727
black letter law on the issue.

4284
02:29:58,727 --> 02:30:01,663
The only way to do that is to

4285
02:30:01,663 --> 02:30:03,640
go to the state legislature.

4286
02:30:03,640 --> 02:30:03,766
And get the law changed rather

4287
02:30:03,766 --> 02:30:06,766
than pass rate increase that

4288
02:30:08,871 --> 02:30:09,972
violates it. Conclude by

4289
02:30:09,972 --> 02:30:10,706
saying coast is always keen to

4290
02:30:10,706 --> 02:30:11,974
work until a tease to increase

4291
02:30:11,974 --> 02:30:12,876
the value solar and storage.

4292
02:30:12,876 --> 02:30:15,876
Their system and would welcome

4293
02:30:16,747 --> 02:30:17,613
the opportunity to do so. Here

4294
02:30:17,613 --> 02:30:18,381
we do it virtually every day,

4295
02:30:18,381 --> 02:30:21,251
but we cannot support net

4296
02:30:21,251 --> 02:30:22,420
metering discriminatory rates.

4297
02:30:22,420 --> 02:30:23,287
And that's the council to

4298
02:30:23,287 --> 02:30:26,887
reject them as well. And thank

4299
02:30:27,758 --> 02:30:30,158
you for considering arguments.

4300
02:30:32,300 --> 02:30:34,300
>> School. Councilman

4301
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:36,835
Williams. Can I just ask us a

4302
02:30:36,835 --> 02:30:37,870
favor? We are running way

4303
02:30:37,870 --> 02:30:38,737
behind if we can hold or

4304
02:30:38,737 --> 02:30:40,472
applies just so we can get to

4305
02:30:40,472 --> 02:30:41,174
this fast or not. I understand

4306
02:30:41,174 --> 02:30:42,800
your enthusiasm, but it does

4307
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:44,109
take time off the clock and we

4308
02:30:44,109 --> 02:30:44,777
are stopping at 12 o'clock,

4309
02:30:44,777 --> 02:30:47,777
which means you're going to

4310
02:30:47,814 --> 02:30:48,481
lead comeback at one. I just

4311
02:30:48,481 --> 02:30:50,484
want to drag in Anwar. So I

4312
02:30:50,484 --> 02:30:51,318
appreciate the enthusiasm that

4313
02:30:51,318 --> 02:30:53,453
we got to keep this rolling.

4314
02:30:53,453 --> 02:30:55,453
COUNCILMAN Williams, Chris,

4315
02:31:06,301 --> 02:31:07,690
but human respond to Please.

4316
02:31:07,690 --> 02:31:07,970
>> Thank you again, Chris City

4317
02:31:07,970 --> 02:31:09,970
Attorney's Office utilities

4318
02:31:13,800 --> 02:31:14,344
Division the question just

4319
02:31:14,344 --> 02:31:15,780
presented was whether the

4320
02:31:15,780 --> 02:31:15,611
proposed rates fail to meet

4321
02:31:15,611 --> 02:31:17,611
the discriminatory

4322
02:31:19,248 --> 02:31:20,316
requirements. Within the state

4323
02:31:20,316 --> 02:31:21,451
statute. And it is absolutely

4324
02:31:21,451 --> 02:31:21,952
accurate to say that the state

4325
02:31:21,952 --> 02:31:23,952
statute prohibits

4326
02:31:25,956 --> 02:31:27,900
discriminatory rates. Also has

4327
02:31:27,900 --> 02:31:27,792
to be addressed is the

4328
02:31:27,792 --> 02:31:28,492
discriminatory rates are well

4329
02:31:28,492 --> 02:31:30,892
established in Colorado case

4330
02:31:34,165 --> 02:31:35,660
law. Within Colorado case law.

4331
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:35,699
Discriminatory does not

4332
02:31:35,699 --> 02:31:36,401
inherently coming to play

4333
02:31:36,401 --> 02:31:40,100
based solely on there being a

4334
02:31:40,606 --> 02:31:41,639
different rate. The key is

4335
02:31:41,639 --> 02:31:42,341
whether there are reasonable

4336
02:31:42,341 --> 02:31:44,741
bases for those distinctions

4337
02:31:46,780 --> 02:31:47,513
between rates so the question

4338
02:31:47,513 --> 02:31:49,215
is not does discrimination

4339
02:31:49,215 --> 02:31:50,649
apply just because there's a

4340
02:31:50,649 --> 02:31:52,185
difference? The question is,

4341
02:31:52,185 --> 02:31:53,920
are the difference is

4342
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:56,320
supported based on what's

4343
02:31:56,590 --> 02:31:57,490
being presented the difference

4344
02:31:57,490 --> 02:32:00,490
is fit with needed decisions

4345
02:32:01,270 --> 02:32:01,762
that are being made. I'm happy

4346
02:32:01,762 --> 02:32:03,865
to read from that that useful.

4347
02:32:03,865 --> 02:32:04,532
But I want to extend further

4348
02:32:04,532 --> 02:32:07,532
time. If you're looking to

4349
02:32:13,108 --> 02:32:13,508
quickly. COUNCILMAN, I never

4350
02:32:13,508 --> 02:32:15,508
have quick.

4351
02:32:17,446 --> 02:32:20,446
>> Thoughtful up with that. So

4352
02:32:21,750 --> 02:32:24,487
I guess looking at that. Does

4353
02:32:24,487 --> 02:32:27,570
it apply so rate credit? So,

4354
02:32:27,570 --> 02:32:27,757
you know, we I'm and I'm a

4355
02:32:27,757 --> 02:32:31,957
salir user. So so I'm one of

4356
02:32:35,366 --> 02:32:36,366
you. We credit. But what's

4357
02:32:36,366 --> 02:32:38,169
happening with this new bill

4358
02:32:38,169 --> 02:32:38,869
change is that we're not going

4359
02:32:38,869 --> 02:32:41,639
be able to ply that credit to

4360
02:32:41,639 --> 02:32:44,309
a large part of our bill. And

4361
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:46,645
I'm wondering if that it is.

4362
02:32:46,645 --> 02:32:50,245
That could be a problem with.

4363
02:32:51,283 --> 02:32:52,617
This particular legislation.

4364
02:32:52,617 --> 02:32:53,319
That's a slightly separate

4365
02:32:53,319 --> 02:32:56,522
question but does go to look

4366
02:32:56,522 --> 02:32:57,190
out question under the state

4367
02:32:57,190 --> 02:32:57,890
Renewable energy standard,

4368
02:32:57,890 --> 02:33:01,362
which is the law that was put

4369
02:33:01,362 --> 02:33:02,950
in place in 2004 municipal

4370
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:04,198
utilities are required to have

4371
02:33:04,198 --> 02:33:05,465
a net metering option for

4372
02:33:05,465 --> 02:33:06,433
their customers. And then one

4373
02:33:06,433 --> 02:33:08,602
of the factors that is

4374
02:33:08,602 --> 02:33:10,710
required to be available to

4375
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:13,710
customers is that month to

4376
02:33:13,708 --> 02:33:14,375
month 1, 2, one roll over.

4377
02:33:14,375 --> 02:33:16,775
That is available. Utility

4378
02:33:18,113 --> 02:33:18,780
second demand option. Because

4379
02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:21,316
an option is presented that

4380
02:33:21,316 --> 02:33:22,170
meets all those requirements.

4381
02:33:22,170 --> 02:33:25,170
Utilities has met the burden

4382
02:33:25,721 --> 02:33:26,890
of that statute. The statute

4383
02:33:26,890 --> 02:33:29,626
itself does not prohibit any

4384
02:33:29,626 --> 02:33:30,160
additional options. Under

4385
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:32,160
Colorado statutory

4386
02:33:35,310 --> 02:33:36,000
interpretation. When a statute

4387
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:38,268
does not prohibit something,

4388
02:33:38,268 --> 02:33:40,138
courts will not read in that

4389
02:33:40,138 --> 02:33:40,804
prohibition on the argument

4390
02:33:40,804 --> 02:33:41,372
that the Legislature could

4391
02:33:41,372 --> 02:33:43,772
have enlisted such a

4392
02:33:44,809 --> 02:33:45,911
prohibition desired. So we

4393
02:33:45,911 --> 02:33:46,578
believe there is strong

4394
02:33:46,578 --> 02:33:48,713
support that because one of

4395
02:33:48,713 --> 02:33:49,715
the options doesn't meet those

4396
02:33:49,715 --> 02:33:50,382
requirements. There is no

4397
02:33:50,382 --> 02:33:52,782
prohibition on a secondary

4398
02:33:56,855 --> 02:33:57,489
option as well. Thank

4399
02:33:57,489 --> 02:34:00,489
>> Next up, we have Jason

4400
02:34:01,495 --> 02:34:02,696
Jason chart.

4401
02:34:02,696 --> 02:34:03,629
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

4402
02:34:03,629 --> 02:34:05,432
thank you council for being

4403
02:34:05,432 --> 02:34:06,133
here. Flooding democracy

4404
02:34:06,133 --> 02:34:08,680
Uchitel is a great part about

4405
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:09,403
being in our great country. So

4406
02:34:09,403 --> 02:34:10,103
appreciate that. I wanted to

4407
02:34:10,103 --> 02:34:10,738
speak to the discriminatory.

4408
02:34:10,738 --> 02:34:12,607
It's interesting. Utility

4409
02:34:12,607 --> 02:34:13,340
starts with legal. We have

4410
02:34:13,340 --> 02:34:15,710
legal questions. I don't think

4411
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:16,611
this is settled. I do think

4412
02:34:16,611 --> 02:34:17,244
that if this moves forward, it

4413
02:34:17,244 --> 02:34:19,314
will be challenged. And I

4414
02:34:19,314 --> 02:34:20,348
think a lot of times things

4415
02:34:20,348 --> 02:34:22,718
like this, our clear Jake, the

4416
02:34:22,718 --> 02:34:23,418
judiciary ways and and it's

4417
02:34:23,418 --> 02:34:26,418
unfortunate more and more. We

4418
02:34:27,756 --> 02:34:28,391
have to go. The judiciary to

4419
02:34:28,391 --> 02:34:30,827
solve these things in our

4420
02:34:30,827 --> 02:34:31,528
country. So just know that

4421
02:34:31,528 --> 02:34:32,194
this is disputed. And I think

4422
02:34:32,194 --> 02:34:34,640
there are disagreements and

4423
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:36,131
you can hear multiples today.

4424
02:34:36,131 --> 02:34:38,501
Point being it's not agreed

4425
02:34:38,501 --> 02:34:39,202
upon. I would also speak to

4426
02:34:39,202 --> 02:34:40,737
the problem utility presented

4427
02:34:40,737 --> 02:34:42,606
with peak demand and I would

4428
02:34:42,606 --> 02:34:44,642
argue that the solution has

4429
02:34:44,642 --> 02:34:46,900
nothing to do with peak

4430
02:34:46,900 --> 02:34:46,978
demand. I would also argue

4431
02:34:46,978 --> 02:34:49,978
that the battle report that

4432
02:34:50,480 --> 02:34:50,715
the utility commissioned has

4433
02:34:50,715 --> 02:34:53,715
nothing to do with solving

4434
02:34:54,119 --> 02:34:54,886
peak demand, nor does it ask

4435
02:34:54,886 --> 02:34:56,655
for benefits of renewables,

4436
02:34:56,655 --> 02:34:57,723
nor does it look at other

4437
02:34:57,723 --> 02:34:59,625
cautious. There are many

4438
02:34:59,625 --> 02:35:00,760
cautious where this is a

4439
02:35:00,760 --> 02:35:02,262
public service. This is a

4440
02:35:02,262 --> 02:35:05,262
council that serves the public

4441
02:35:06,465 --> 02:35:07,867
good. Snowplowing. We do fire

4442
02:35:07,867 --> 02:35:10,267
mitigation. We provide water.

4443
02:35:11,137 --> 02:35:13,240
You charge different rates

4444
02:35:13,240 --> 02:35:15,142
based on the cosh. If that

4445
02:35:15,142 --> 02:35:16,109
occurs for people who live in

4446
02:35:16,109 --> 02:35:17,779
areas that need more fire

4447
02:35:17,779 --> 02:35:18,479
mitigation and others. I don't

4448
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:20,347
believe you do so. Why are we

4449
02:35:20,347 --> 02:35:21,249
going down the road for solar?

4450
02:35:21,249 --> 02:35:23,170
I believe that's indicative of

4451
02:35:23,170 --> 02:35:25,417
this being a discriminatory

4452
02:35:26,755 --> 02:35:27,656
case right here. I think you

4453
02:35:27,656 --> 02:35:28,957
can do better one of the

4454
02:35:28,957 --> 02:35:29,892
elegant things about net

4455
02:35:29,892 --> 02:35:31,827
metering is it challenges

4456
02:35:31,827 --> 02:35:34,163
utilities to solve real

4457
02:35:34,163 --> 02:35:35,197
problems? It's saying let's

4458
02:35:35,197 --> 02:35:36,833
them. Peak demand designer

4459
02:35:36,833 --> 02:35:39,233
rate that addresses peak

4460
02:35:39,970 --> 02:35:40,670
demand, not designer 8. That

4461
02:35:40,670 --> 02:35:43,640
penalizes the people who want

4462
02:35:43,640 --> 02:35:44,341
to be part of the solution.

4463
02:35:44,341 --> 02:35:45,750
And most of the people who've

4464
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:47,411
invested in renewables want to

4465
02:35:47,411 --> 02:35:48,780
be part of the solution. We

4466
02:35:48,780 --> 02:35:48,712
have a 10 million dollar

4467
02:35:48,712 --> 02:35:49,546
project for low-income

4468
02:35:49,546 --> 02:35:51,946
multifamily housing here in

4469
02:35:53,551 --> 02:35:54,619
color. Springs. You have

4470
02:35:54,619 --> 02:35:56,588
millions of dollars of private

4471
02:35:56,588 --> 02:35:57,322
sector money coming to try to

4472
02:35:57,322 --> 02:35:59,124
help solve this problem.

4473
02:35:59,124 --> 02:35:59,824
Consumers are worried about

4474
02:35:59,824 --> 02:36:02,824
reliability. We have more and

4475
02:36:03,463 --> 02:36:04,163
more wildfires. And people

4476
02:36:04,163 --> 02:36:07,163
have increasing rates and you

4477
02:36:07,567 --> 02:36:08,434
would be denying people the

4478
02:36:08,434 --> 02:36:09,168
opportunity to invest in

4479
02:36:09,168 --> 02:36:11,568
technology that provides power

4480
02:36:12,372 --> 02:36:13,390
during those fire issues.

4481
02:36:13,390 --> 02:36:13,773
There's a problem in Ohio.

4482
02:36:13,773 --> 02:36:14,441
Currently we're I think first,

4483
02:36:14,441 --> 02:36:16,841
there's been people without

4484
02:36:17,645 --> 02:36:18,345
power for a week and why are

4485
02:36:18,345 --> 02:36:19,312
we why are we trying to make

4486
02:36:19,312 --> 02:36:20,460
it more expensive for people

4487
02:36:20,460 --> 02:36:23,646
who want to solve this problem

4488
02:36:24,719 --> 02:36:26,754
for the local community? The

4489
02:36:26,754 --> 02:36:27,989
csu according online,

4490
02:36:27,989 --> 02:36:28,589
according to Google's 2.0, 2,

4491
02:36:28,589 --> 02:36:30,589
2 billion, 200 million

4492
02:36:31,459 --> 02:36:33,762
dollars. And even if there's a

4493
02:36:33,762 --> 02:36:34,663
4 million dollar cost shift,

4494
02:36:34,663 --> 02:36:37,663
that's less than two-tenths of

4495
02:36:37,866 --> 02:36:38,634
one percent of your budget. So

4496
02:36:38,634 --> 02:36:42,234
trust us if you give us 2

4497
02:36:42,305 --> 02:36:43,740
tenths of one percent will

4498
02:36:43,740 --> 02:36:44,440
deploy batteries. In the

4499
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:46,443
meantime, let's penalize the

4500
02:36:46,443 --> 02:36:47,343
people who want to be part of

4501
02:36:47,343 --> 02:36:50,800
the solution and are the most

4502
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:52,830
likely people that are vest in

4503
02:36:52,830 --> 02:36:52,816
batteries to add their

4504
02:36:52,816 --> 02:36:54,852
systems. So give people a

4505
02:36:54,852 --> 02:36:56,860
choice. Listen to your

4506
02:36:56,860 --> 02:36:58,486
constituents. Don't shut this

4507
02:36:58,689 --> 02:37:00,592
down and cause a legal case.

4508
02:37:00,592 --> 02:37:01,259
Do better go back to the table

4509
02:37:01,259 --> 02:37:04,859
and do better to solve the

4510
02:37:11,438 --> 02:37:15,380
real problem to me. Thank you.

4511
02:37:15,509 --> 02:37:16,176
>> Next step we have Lawrence.

4512
02:37:16,176 --> 02:37:20,376
GOD only I hope I said that

4513
02:37:22,283 --> 02:37:25,283
right. Gio deal. Why? Alex

4514
02:37:26,153 --> 02:37:28,153
Antar and 2 pounds

4515
02:37:30,250 --> 02:37:31,459
>> thank you. Yeah. See that.

4516
02:37:31,459 --> 02:37:32,194
>> I or is that it would get

4517
02:37:32,194 --> 02:37:32,894
to show up here. But thank you

4518
02:37:32,894 --> 02:37:36,494
for being here. Thank you for

4519
02:37:36,998 --> 02:37:37,666
listening to this. Ceo of a

4520
02:37:37,666 --> 02:37:39,401
solar company. So I want to

4521
02:37:39,401 --> 02:37:41,604
talk a little bit more of the

4522
02:37:41,604 --> 02:37:42,805
commercial. We've installed a

4523
02:37:42,805 --> 02:37:45,205
200 kilowatts system for Ace

4524
02:37:46,242 --> 02:37:48,642
Hardware and their circle.

4525
02:37:50,313 --> 02:37:50,980
They're now a net 0 hero and

4526
02:37:50,980 --> 02:37:53,116
the same Scott Barnes that

4527
02:37:53,116 --> 02:37:54,985
owns that Ace Hardware. Once

4528
02:37:54,985 --> 02:37:58,585
the put solar in all 5 stores

4529
02:38:00,458 --> 02:38:01,125
full systems 0, of course, no

4530
02:38:01,125 --> 02:38:03,327
We're also talking to ymca

4531
02:38:03,327 --> 02:38:04,395
owner of the 5 when says here

4532
02:38:04,395 --> 02:38:06,998
in town, they also want to go

4533
02:38:06,998 --> 02:38:08,734
net 0 hero and we're talking

4534
02:38:08,734 --> 02:38:11,690
about 3 and a half megawatts

4535
02:38:11,690 --> 02:38:12,972
of solar for these communities

4536
02:38:12,972 --> 02:38:14,840
and the cost of solar is

4537
02:38:14,840 --> 02:38:15,574
cheap. So I understand where,

4538
02:38:15,574 --> 02:38:18,574
you know, they're paying under

4539
02:38:18,777 --> 02:38:20,780
$0.10 a kilowatt for energy.

4540
02:38:20,780 --> 02:38:21,982
The proposed rates here for

4541
02:38:21,982 --> 02:38:23,982
different situations are 36 30

4542
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:28,589
cents. A kilo. 3 times the

4543
02:38:28,589 --> 02:38:29,290
rate. And I think that's

4544
02:38:29,290 --> 02:38:29,923
egregious. I don't think, you

4545
02:38:29,923 --> 02:38:31,559
know, it's not we're not

4546
02:38:31,559 --> 02:38:33,394
talking about a quarter. Or

4547
02:38:33,394 --> 02:38:34,863
25%. We're talking about a big

4548
02:38:34,863 --> 02:38:37,863
hike and increase. It's not

4549
02:38:40,602 --> 02:38:41,736
going to work I'm a little

4550
02:38:41,736 --> 02:38:43,406
nervous because as you know,

4551
02:38:43,406 --> 02:38:44,730
first time speaking all of you

4552
02:38:44,730 --> 02:38:45,473
guys. So I just appreciate

4553
02:38:45,473 --> 02:38:47,543
your patience and your

4554
02:38:47,543 --> 02:38:48,477
attention ready some part of

4555
02:38:48,477 --> 02:38:49,178
your district. I could have

4556
02:38:49,178 --> 02:38:51,514
told you that you're going to

4557
02:38:51,514 --> 02:38:52,615
have this issue. Everybody.

4558
02:38:52,615 --> 02:38:53,583
Every solar market goes

4559
02:38:53,583 --> 02:38:56,487
through this. They get to a

4560
02:38:56,487 --> 02:38:57,220
point where a lot of people

4561
02:38:57,220 --> 02:38:58,255
are generating electricity and

4562
02:38:58,255 --> 02:38:59,423
at 3 o'clock, you have a

4563
02:38:59,423 --> 02:39:01,458
Nexus. California went through

4564
02:39:01,458 --> 02:39:04,795
that everybody that has a big

4565
02:39:04,795 --> 02:39:05,496
solar market went through that

4566
02:39:05,496 --> 02:39:07,632
Xcel Energy in Twenty-twenty

4567
02:39:07,632 --> 02:39:10,632
want get better every day

4568
02:39:10,668 --> 02:39:11,803
program. $500 per kilowatt

4569
02:39:11,803 --> 02:39:12,504
hour. You get a rebate, then

4570
02:39:12,504 --> 02:39:15,241
they get to use your battery

4571
02:39:15,241 --> 02:39:18,241
during peak demand times. That

4572
02:39:20,112 --> 02:39:21,214
has not been done and my mom

4573
02:39:21,214 --> 02:39:22,480
used to tell me a like your

4574
02:39:22,480 --> 02:39:22,748
lack of planning does not

4575
02:39:22,748 --> 02:39:25,748
constitute an emergency on my

4576
02:39:26,686 --> 02:39:29,322
behalf. Your lack of planning

4577
02:39:29,322 --> 02:39:30,825
does not constitute emergency

4578
02:39:30,825 --> 02:39:33,825
on behalf of solar users,

4579
02:39:34,595 --> 02:39:35,562
solar builders it doesn't

4580
02:39:35,562 --> 02:39:38,562
work. Another question I want

4581
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:42,370
to ask is the 4% the 22% of

4582
02:39:42,370 --> 02:39:44,770
usage or infrastructure goes

4583
02:39:45,974 --> 02:39:48,310
to 4% of time. That 4% equates

4584
02:39:48,310 --> 02:39:51,580
to 0.9, 6 of an hour for that.

4585
02:39:51,580 --> 02:39:54,617
So it's not. You know, 3 to 9

4586
02:39:54,617 --> 02:39:55,318
or 49 5 to 9 that the man

4587
02:39:55,318 --> 02:39:56,919
you're talking about is 0.9 6

4588
02:39:56,919 --> 02:40:00,519
of an hour or about 55 minutes

4589
02:40:00,858 --> 02:40:02,459
a day. So it doesn't really

4590
02:40:02,459 --> 02:40:03,426
make sense to have that. The

4591
02:40:03,426 --> 02:40:04,128
man church, right? Let's

4592
02:40:04,128 --> 02:40:06,630
settle that one hour of them.

4593
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:07,432
Let's go with that. Let's

4594
02:40:07,432 --> 02:40:10,432
figure it out. Increase the

4595
02:40:10,769 --> 02:40:11,469
rates, but our rates are low

4596
02:40:11,469 --> 02:40:12,203
and let everybody pay for We

4597
02:40:12,203 --> 02:40:15,700
know the rates are going to go

4598
02:40:15,700 --> 02:40:17,910
up. But taxing solar and

4599
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:20,310
making solar impossible and

4600
02:40:20,746 --> 02:40:22,414
not sustainable and not

4601
02:40:22,414 --> 02:40:24,450
possible for nonprofits across

4602
02:40:24,450 --> 02:40:25,484
the state across the city is

4603
02:40:25,484 --> 02:40:29,840
silly and we're going to stop

4604
02:40:29,156 --> 02:40:30,957
for 5 megawatts. So I employ 5

4605
02:40:30,957 --> 02:40:33,527
people and this would be a 5

4606
02:40:33,527 --> 02:40:34,428
to about project over the next

4607
02:40:34,428 --> 02:40:35,129
2 years.

4608
02:40:35,129 --> 02:40:37,529
>> That that's an opportunity

4609
02:40:38,299 --> 02:40:38,966
for our city to. Have those

4610
02:40:38,966 --> 02:40:40,330
resources, invest in jobs,

4611
02:40:40,330 --> 02:40:42,236
invest in infrastructure and

4612
02:40:42,236 --> 02:40:44,636
instead the just like.

4613
02:40:45,907 --> 02:40:46,607
>> Let's charge you guys. And

4614
02:40:46,607 --> 02:40:47,976
it's really And we've heard a

4615
02:40:47,976 --> 02:40:49,210
lot of you guys say that like

4616
02:40:49,210 --> 02:40:52,647
my bill does not up. My bill

4617
02:40:52,647 --> 02:40:53,282
does not up an electrical

4618
02:40:53,282 --> 02:40:54,160
engineer as well the 4th

4619
02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:56,416
electrical engineering here as

4620
02:40:56,519 --> 02:40:58,454
well. The numbers don't add up

4621
02:40:58,454 --> 02:40:59,188
for a lot of people. Thank you

4622
02:40:59,188 --> 02:41:03,388
vote on this. It's going to be

4623
02:41:07,832 --> 02:41:08,165
up. Thank you. Also, Madonna

4624
02:41:08,165 --> 02:41:09,166
Centre.

4625
02:41:09,166 --> 02:41:11,566
>> Yeah, MADAM PRESIDENT, I

4626
02:41:11,869 --> 02:41:13,104
just I just want to correct

4627
02:41:13,104 --> 02:41:14,205
something factually. I think

4628
02:41:14,205 --> 02:41:17,800
the only time the kill,

4629
02:41:17,800 --> 02:41:19,408
charges, $0.30 or above is

4630
02:41:21,847 --> 02:41:22,547
during the peak hours and that

4631
02:41:22,547 --> 02:41:26,718
on non peak hours and if Mr a

4632
02:41:26,718 --> 02:41:29,221
year or come up here and and

4633
02:41:29,221 --> 02:41:32,221
correct this, it's a $0.8 on

4634
02:41:32,958 --> 02:41:34,127
the demand plan.

4635
02:41:34,127 --> 02:41:35,328
>> Roughly, as is just, you

4636
02:41:35,328 --> 02:41:38,928
know, looking at the plan here

4637
02:41:39,566 --> 02:41:41,566
and 10. Even 10.

4638
02:41:44,605 --> 02:41:48,800
I would have to have a Tristan

4639
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:48,843
or

4640
02:41:48,843 --> 02:41:52,130
>> Scott come up. But I think

4641
02:41:52,130 --> 02:41:55,130
the chill great there was,

4642
02:41:57,552 --> 02:41:58,421
quote, it is is a peak rate.

4643
02:41:58,421 --> 02:42:00,857
So for for 4 hours out of the

4644
02:42:00,857 --> 02:42:01,490
day. That's true. But the

4645
02:42:01,490 --> 02:42:04,490
other 20, it's not. And I

4646
02:42:05,562 --> 02:42:06,929
think it's very important.

4647
02:42:06,929 --> 02:42:08,599
>> On option one, it does time

4648
02:42:08,599 --> 02:42:12,199
back to our energy wise rates

4649
02:42:12,335 --> 02:42:13,136
right now. Energy wise off

4650
02:42:13,136 --> 02:42:15,536
peak is about $0.7 per

4651
02:42:18,542 --> 02:42:19,209
kilowatt hour on peak is about

4652
02:42:19,209 --> 02:42:21,209
$0.29 in the summertime. 4

4653
02:42:22,581 --> 02:42:26,781
months out of the year and the

4654
02:42:28,620 --> 02:42:29,855
winter time. It's $0.14.

4655
02:42:29,855 --> 02:42:32,425
That's what I thought and the

4656
02:42:32,425 --> 02:42:33,959
other planned in on the other

4657
02:42:33,959 --> 02:42:34,793
plan. It keeps things and one

4658
02:42:34,793 --> 02:42:36,329
all around the clock price,

4659
02:42:36,329 --> 02:42:37,630
which right now would be at

4660
02:42:37,630 --> 02:42:39,463
about $0.13 per kilowatt hour.

4661
02:42:41,768 --> 02:42:42,369
Ok, thank you.

4662
02:42:42,369 --> 02:42:42,970
>> So that is going to

4663
02:42:42,970 --> 02:42:44,970
conclude this morning's

4664
02:43:00,370 --> 02:43:00,738
>> good afternoon. I am.

4665
02:43:00,738 --> 02:43:03,738
>> There he is. She's waiting

4666
02:43:03,741 --> 02:43:07,341
for you. Welcome back to city

4667
02:43:08,246 --> 02:43:10,549
Council. AUGUST 20 20th. We

4668
02:43:10,549 --> 02:43:14,149
are still in the public for

4669
02:43:15,355 --> 02:43:16,989
utilities. Net metering.

4670
02:43:16,989 --> 02:43:19,692
Giving him time to sit down.

4671
02:43:19,692 --> 02:43:23,292
We will start We will Start

4672
02:43:23,297 --> 02:43:24,310
where we left off with public

4673
02:43:24,310 --> 02:43:27,631
comment. Next up, we have Bill

4674
02:43:39,414 --> 02:43:40,149
Clay. Good afternoon.

4675
02:43:40,149 --> 02:43:42,451
>> Okay, good afternoon. MADAM

4676
02:43:42,451 --> 02:43:44,451
PRESIDENT Council members,

4677
02:43:47,560 --> 02:43:48,792
staff community members.

4678
02:43:48,792 --> 02:43:49,459
>> Bill Clay, my wife and I

4679
02:43:49,459 --> 02:43:52,459
started solar power pros in

4680
02:43:53,630 --> 02:43:55,630
2013. We're small business

4681
02:43:57,702 --> 02:43:58,369
where roughly 25 employees. We

4682
02:43:58,369 --> 02:43:59,103
install solar and batteries

4683
02:43:59,103 --> 02:44:01,503
for residential and commercial

4684
02:44:03,507 --> 02:44:05,443
customers in Colorado. And I

4685
02:44:05,443 --> 02:44:08,443
was really impressed with this

4686
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:09,982
morning's comments from the

4687
02:44:09,982 --> 02:44:10,682
citizens in the community and

4688
02:44:10,682 --> 02:44:13,185
their points today. And thank

4689
02:44:13,185 --> 02:44:14,453
you all on council here for

4690
02:44:14,453 --> 02:44:15,530
your patients and listening

4691
02:44:15,530 --> 02:44:17,453
through this. We really

4692
02:44:18,725 --> 02:44:19,859
appreciate it. I have 3 main

4693
02:44:19,859 --> 02:44:21,561
points and I won't try not to

4694
02:44:21,561 --> 02:44:24,330
really the points from this

4695
02:44:24,330 --> 02:44:25,799
morning. My 3 main points for

4696
02:44:25,799 --> 02:44:28,169
you are the proposed net

4697
02:44:28,169 --> 02:44:28,803
metering rates will eliminate

4698
02:44:28,803 --> 02:44:31,803
the solar only market in

4699
02:44:31,872 --> 02:44:32,739
Colorado Springs. So just want

4700
02:44:32,739 --> 02:44:33,675
to make sure that's

4701
02:44:33,675 --> 02:44:35,376
understood. It will eliminate

4702
02:44:35,376 --> 02:44:36,211
it. We've been doing this for

4703
02:44:36,211 --> 02:44:37,979
13 years. You know, we model

4704
02:44:37,979 --> 02:44:40,379
the financials for solar

4705
02:44:40,448 --> 02:44:42,448
systems for residential

4706
02:44:43,718 --> 02:44:44,319
customers modeling this the

4707
02:44:44,319 --> 02:44:46,719
debt, the demand option

4708
02:44:47,322 --> 02:44:49,920
offered by csu is more

4709
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:49,826
expensive for almost all

4710
02:44:49,826 --> 02:44:51,694
customers and it's going to be

4711
02:44:51,694 --> 02:44:53,563
a nonstarter for those

4712
02:44:53,563 --> 02:44:56,563
customers. The time of use

4713
02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:00,000
rates impose a $33 flat charge

4714
02:45:00,437 --> 02:45:03,437
and a 13% increase. On the

4715
02:45:04,541 --> 02:45:05,609
often on that peaks to the 9

4716
02:45:05,609 --> 02:45:08,212
net metering rates for net

4717
02:45:08,212 --> 02:45:09,981
metering customers. So it's

4718
02:45:09,981 --> 02:45:10,615
going to be more expensive for

4719
02:45:10,615 --> 02:45:13,150
those customers. In most

4720
02:45:14,185 --> 02:45:16,155
cases. The other point there

4721
02:45:16,155 --> 02:45:17,422
is that in almost all cases

4722
02:45:17,422 --> 02:45:18,891
just different system sizes

4723
02:45:18,891 --> 02:45:20,726
putting different directions

4724
02:45:20,726 --> 02:45:21,394
on different houses, different

4725
02:45:21,394 --> 02:45:23,729
shading scenarios. It even

4726
02:45:23,729 --> 02:45:25,865
when you pick the best of

4727
02:45:25,865 --> 02:45:27,634
those scenarios, the payback

4728
02:45:27,634 --> 02:45:30,634
period longer than the systems

4729
02:45:33,700 --> 02:45:33,874
expected. 25 year life. Most

4730
02:45:33,874 --> 02:45:34,574
customers aren't going to the

4731
02:45:34,574 --> 02:45:37,574
purchase of the solar system.

4732
02:45:37,946 --> 02:45:38,580
At that point, we install

4733
02:45:38,580 --> 02:45:40,580
systems across 15 utility

4734
02:45:41,683 --> 02:45:42,817
areas in the state. And just

4735
02:45:42,817 --> 02:45:43,718
so, you know, this proposal is

4736
02:45:43,718 --> 02:45:47,318
by far the most unfriendly to

4737
02:45:47,355 --> 02:45:47,922
solar. Want to put that out

4738
02:45:47,922 --> 02:45:50,922
there by far the most

4739
02:45:51,226 --> 02:45:51,961
unfriendly to solar. It voted

4740
02:45:51,961 --> 02:45:54,530
in. It'll kill the solar only

4741
02:45:54,530 --> 02:45:56,565
market in Colorado Springs.

4742
02:45:56,565 --> 02:45:58,335
You know, cause my business

4743
02:45:58,335 --> 02:46:00,670
and other solar installer

4744
02:46:00,670 --> 02:46:02,670
significant financial harm.

4745
02:46:04,808 --> 02:46:06,743
Ok? So my second point it's

4746
02:46:06,743 --> 02:46:09,346
illegal. No, I'm not a lawyer.

4747
02:46:09,346 --> 02:46:12,383
You know, can take that to

4748
02:46:12,383 --> 02:46:13,500
heart. But I did hear your

4749
02:46:13,500 --> 02:46:15,450
legal counsels mention that

4750
02:46:16,621 --> 02:46:17,289
about case law I just can

4751
02:46:17,289 --> 02:46:20,240
suspect that that case law

4752
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:20,659
that he's talking about is not

4753
02:46:20,659 --> 02:46:23,590
specific to Colorado net

4754
02:46:25,831 --> 02:46:26,499
metering. The rates

4755
02:46:26,499 --> 02:46:28,670
discriminatory and Colorado

4756
02:46:28,670 --> 02:46:30,360
laws really clear on this

4757
02:46:30,360 --> 02:46:30,704
point. You cannot pass a

4758
02:46:30,704 --> 02:46:32,704
discriminatory net metering

4759
02:46:36,543 --> 02:46:39,714
rate. But why even go there?

4760
02:46:39,714 --> 02:46:41,150
We heard this morning several

4761
02:46:41,150 --> 02:46:43,415
times that discussion about

4762
02:46:46,540 --> 02:46:48,454
solar and batteries. Asking

4763
02:46:48,924 --> 02:46:49,591
you to vote no on the proposed

4764
02:46:49,591 --> 02:46:51,493
rate changes and instructor

4765
02:46:51,493 --> 02:46:52,494
utility instead to look at

4766
02:46:52,494 --> 02:46:54,290
solar and battery options.

4767
02:46:54,290 --> 02:46:55,698
Thank you. Thank

4768
02:46:55,698 --> 02:46:58,698
>> Next step we have Scott

4769
02:47:03,673 --> 02:47:04,373
Carter.

4770
02:47:04,373 --> 02:47:07,373
>> Good afternoon. My name is

4771
02:47:09,412 --> 02:47:09,779
Scott Carter. Resident here in

4772
02:47:09,779 --> 02:47:11,515
Colorado

4773
02:47:11,515 --> 02:47:12,249
>> Have some solar that I put

4774
02:47:12,249 --> 02:47:13,160
on myself paid itself off in 2

4775
02:47:13,160 --> 02:47:16,616
years. So I set up financial

4776
02:47:17,922 --> 02:47:21,492
thing. For me. It's see if you

4777
02:47:21,492 --> 02:47:22,226
utilities keeps kind of saying

4778
02:47:22,226 --> 02:47:25,226
that word shipping the charges

4779
02:47:26,165 --> 02:47:28,634
to somebody else and well,

4780
02:47:28,634 --> 02:47:31,340
yes, obvioly solar customers

4781
02:47:31,203 --> 02:47:34,803
do use when those solar panels

4782
02:47:35,542 --> 02:47:36,776
are producing. That's we're

4783
02:47:36,776 --> 02:47:39,178
not looking at all the times

4784
02:47:39,178 --> 02:47:42,778
where the solar is actually a

4785
02:47:43,217 --> 02:47:43,851
benefit to the

4786
02:47:43,851 --> 02:47:45,719
>> it would easy to say a

4787
02:47:45,719 --> 02:47:48,656
senior citizen is, you know,

4788
02:47:48,656 --> 02:47:50,925
using a whole bunch of federal

4789
02:47:50,925 --> 02:47:51,659
money when they retire, except

4790
02:47:51,659 --> 02:47:52,393
it's not looking into the fact

4791
02:47:52,393 --> 02:47:55,163
that they actually put in that

4792
02:47:55,163 --> 02:47:57,532
money earlier on solar

4793
02:47:57,532 --> 02:47:58,200
customers have invested in

4794
02:47:58,200 --> 02:48:00,600
capital expenses, but let's

4795
02:48:01,637 --> 02:48:02,371
help out everybody let's look

4796
02:48:02,371 --> 02:48:05,971
at some of the other things

4797
02:48:11,214 --> 02:48:13,170
here. Places. The utilities

4798
02:48:13,170 --> 02:48:14,117
themselves. They talk about

4799
02:48:14,117 --> 02:48:17,117
having built for that peak

4800
02:48:18,856 --> 02:48:19,423
demand. The peak. And all that

4801
02:48:19,423 --> 02:48:21,423
infrastructure, that

4802
02:48:21,492 --> 02:48:23,280
infrastructure is actually not

4803
02:48:23,280 --> 02:48:25,563
used. The very peak of it is

4804
02:48:25,563 --> 02:48:27,665
actually a 4 o'clock, not the

4805
02:48:27,665 --> 02:48:28,366
5 to 9. Their prices are

4806
02:48:28,366 --> 02:48:30,436
higher from 5 to 9, but that

4807
02:48:30,436 --> 02:48:32,710
peak is actually a little

4808
02:48:32,710 --> 02:48:32,805
earlier. So they already don't

4809
02:48:32,805 --> 02:48:34,841
that infrastructure. It needed

4810
02:48:34,841 --> 02:48:38,277
to be there no matter what

4811
02:48:38,277 --> 02:48:41,810
solar or not. Couple of the

4812
02:48:41,810 --> 02:48:44,810
things we're solar. You know,

4813
02:48:47,755 --> 02:48:48,422
early on solar helped. Past

4814
02:48:48,422 --> 02:48:50,123
color springs utilities to

4815
02:48:50,123 --> 02:48:50,792
meet the state's goals. You

4816
02:48:50,792 --> 02:48:53,192
know, that's never factored

4817
02:48:55,630 --> 02:48:56,732
in. A couple other things.

4818
02:48:56,732 --> 02:48:57,732
Solar has actually lowers

4819
02:48:57,732 --> 02:48:59,367
those prices as we're seeing

4820
02:48:59,367 --> 02:49:00,200
during the daytime where we

4821
02:49:00,200 --> 02:49:02,200
caller springs utilities

4822
02:49:02,638 --> 02:49:05,380
actually making money office

4823
02:49:06,175 --> 02:49:09,175
solar. That's not factored in.

4824
02:49:11,147 --> 02:49:12,582
Even a very odd example was

4825
02:49:12,582 --> 02:49:14,450
>> Texas had that crazy

4826
02:49:14,450 --> 02:49:16,520
snowstorm, you know, and we

4827
02:49:16,520 --> 02:49:20,120
paid crazy amount of money for

4828
02:49:20,957 --> 02:49:22,894
gas. Just my system. Assuming,

4829
02:49:22,894 --> 02:49:24,328
you I have to look at their

4830
02:49:24,328 --> 02:49:25,290
numbers and I don't know

4831
02:49:25,290 --> 02:49:26,897
exactly how many other plants

4832
02:49:26,897 --> 02:49:30,969
are peak or not of mind minds

4833
02:49:30,969 --> 02:49:31,970
like or not. But just looking

4834
02:49:31,970 --> 02:49:35,570
at their numbers, I would just

4835
02:49:37,243 --> 02:49:39,378
I saved the springs. $140.

4836
02:49:39,378 --> 02:49:41,514
Just my solar system. If

4837
02:49:41,514 --> 02:49:43,249
everyone else, the 10,000

4838
02:49:43,249 --> 02:49:43,883
people, that would be 1.4

4839
02:49:43,883 --> 02:49:44,617
million dollars that was

4840
02:49:44,617 --> 02:49:47,170
saved. Obviously every systems

4841
02:49:48,355 --> 02:49:49,356
not the same as mine, but you

4842
02:49:49,356 --> 02:49:51,124
Not looking at all the

4843
02:49:51,124 --> 02:49:53,524
advantages. Solar is actually

4844
02:49:55,429 --> 02:49:58,429
giving is doing a disservice

4845
02:49:59,333 --> 02:50:00,000
we look at this, maybe look at

4846
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:02,000
their initial assumptions.

4847
02:50:02,503 --> 02:50:05,503
There might be some loss.

4848
02:50:05,975 --> 02:50:06,275
Thank you very much. Thank

4849
02:50:06,275 --> 02:50:06,942
you.

4850
02:50:06,942 --> 02:50:09,942
>> Next step we have Tammy

4851
02:50:18,655 --> 02:50:20,123
Green. Tammy Green.

4852
02:50:20,123 --> 02:50:22,523
>> Jan Lubinski. So Pinsky.

4853
02:50:26,970 --> 02:50:27,397
Thank you.

4854
02:50:27,397 --> 02:50:28,310
>> Thank My name is Jans have

4855
02:50:28,310 --> 02:50:30,768
been scam. A resident of

4856
02:50:30,768 --> 02:50:31,368
Colorado Springs and also

4857
02:50:31,368 --> 02:50:32,300
solar user. I'd like to

4858
02:50:32,300 --> 02:50:32,837
comment today, but on the

4859
02:50:32,837 --> 02:50:35,237
bigger picture that been

4860
02:50:36,875 --> 02:50:39,275
involved here with. There's

4861
02:50:39,678 --> 02:50:40,445
been a lot of substantial

4862
02:50:40,445 --> 02:50:42,845
reasons why this particular

4863
02:50:43,282 --> 02:50:45,251
price increase in fraud,

4864
02:50:45,251 --> 02:50:46,986
method of willing seller is

4865
02:50:46,986 --> 02:50:47,720
really not a good thing. But

4866
02:50:47,720 --> 02:50:50,560
long term. You have to realize

4867
02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:53,656
that you people are elected to

4868
02:50:54,940 --> 02:50:56,163
develop and try to create a

4869
02:50:56,163 --> 02:50:58,933
strong Colorado Springs in the

4870
02:50:58,933 --> 02:50:59,634
future. And this plan as the

4871
02:50:59,634 --> 02:51:00,801
previous gentlemen just talk

4872
02:51:00,801 --> 02:51:02,700
is going to kill the solar

4873
02:51:02,700 --> 02:51:04,138
industry here in Colorado

4874
02:51:04,138 --> 02:51:07,138
Springs. And then. When it

4875
02:51:07,308 --> 02:51:08,811
comes to the time gas is going

4876
02:51:08,811 --> 02:51:10,812
to run out, you got to get rid

4877
02:51:10,812 --> 02:51:12,140
of coal. What are you going to

4878
02:51:12,140 --> 02:51:12,648
have? Nothing. And then

4879
02:51:12,648 --> 02:51:15,648
there's the cost shift is

4880
02:51:16,850 --> 02:51:17,320
going to be to the next

4881
02:51:17,320 --> 02:51:18,210
generation that comes in here

4882
02:51:18,210 --> 02:51:21,210
and feels you're not thinking

4883
02:51:21,124 --> 02:51:23,427
about the future of Colorado

4884
02:51:23,427 --> 02:51:24,761
Springs and the future of the

4885
02:51:24,761 --> 02:51:27,161
country itself there this

4886
02:51:28,698 --> 02:51:29,399
year, we've seen tornadoes.

4887
02:51:29,399 --> 02:51:32,399
We've seen floods. We've seen

4888
02:51:32,570 --> 02:51:33,270
heat domes. We've seen

4889
02:51:33,270 --> 02:51:34,500
wildfires, everything. And if

4890
02:51:34,500 --> 02:51:36,373
you don't believe part of that

4891
02:51:36,373 --> 02:51:39,373
is the cause of global

4892
02:51:39,644 --> 02:51:40,312
warming, you're mistaken.

4893
02:51:40,312 --> 02:51:43,312
There are over the last 50

4894
02:51:43,415 --> 02:51:44,450
years. I've seen city councils

4895
02:51:44,450 --> 02:51:47,450
like you. I've seen businesses

4896
02:51:49,688 --> 02:51:50,522
and people take short term

4897
02:51:50,522 --> 02:51:51,257
seclude answers to their

4898
02:51:51,257 --> 02:51:54,257
problems that are boost Lee

4899
02:51:55,295 --> 02:51:56,562
Financial base. And that

4900
02:51:56,562 --> 02:51:57,431
problem has led to where we

4901
02:51:57,431 --> 02:52:00,133
are now. The cost in the

4902
02:52:00,133 --> 02:52:01,368
future from all of this is

4903
02:52:01,368 --> 02:52:04,105
going to be astronomical and

4904
02:52:04,105 --> 02:52:04,838
it's going to be on our future

4905
02:52:04,838 --> 02:52:06,541
generations and people that

4906
02:52:06,541 --> 02:52:09,541
you have a responsibility to

4907
02:52:09,711 --> 02:52:11,746
think about. Not just the next

4908
02:52:11,746 --> 02:52:13,148
turn, harsh Colorado Springs

4909
02:52:13,148 --> 02:52:14,150
utility has been very

4910
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:16,415
neglectful and not planning

4911
02:52:16,819 --> 02:52:18,887
for this. Not looking. They

4912
02:52:18,887 --> 02:52:20,856
had 6 years to come up with a

4913
02:52:20,856 --> 02:52:21,890
plan for the energy trucks and

4914
02:52:21,890 --> 02:52:24,890
they didn't do anything. The

4915
02:52:24,994 --> 02:52:25,629
only reason they got their

4916
02:52:25,629 --> 02:52:27,330
statement is that the the

4917
02:52:27,330 --> 02:52:27,997
state is now requiring the

4918
02:52:27,997 --> 02:52:30,133
springs utility to come up

4919
02:52:30,133 --> 02:52:33,403
with the plan that is gross

4920
02:52:33,403 --> 02:52:35,403
negligence. The springs

4921
02:52:35,439 --> 02:52:37,439
utility are grossly

4922
02:52:37,441 --> 02:52:38,275
negligible. So I just want to

4923
02:52:38,275 --> 02:52:41,212
say, I think we have to think

4924
02:52:41,212 --> 02:52:42,347
about the long term. We can't

4925
02:52:42,347 --> 02:52:44,349
just be concerned It's going

4926
02:52:44,349 --> 02:52:45,851
to cost $10. Hear more of

4927
02:52:45,851 --> 02:52:48,520
that. We have to realize had

4928
02:52:48,520 --> 02:52:50,520
10, 15, 20 years, we're going

4929
02:52:51,423 --> 02:52:53,226
to have an energy crisis here.

4930
02:52:53,226 --> 02:52:55,270
And Colorado Springs utilities

4931
02:52:55,270 --> 02:52:56,629
will not be in the position to

4932
02:52:56,629 --> 02:52:59,290
handle it because they've

4933
02:52:59,699 --> 02:53:01,502
neglected to do the planning.

4934
02:53:01,502 --> 02:53:03,360
Now they've neglected to do

4935
02:53:03,360 --> 02:53:03,737
the research and evolve. Find

4936
02:53:03,737 --> 02:53:04,905
the methods that can save us

4937
02:53:04,905 --> 02:53:07,675
from that problem. Thank you.

4938
02:53:07,675 --> 02:53:09,142
Thank you.

4939
02:53:09,142 --> 02:53:12,742
>> The next step we have Lani.

4940
02:53:15,917 --> 02:53:16,585
I'm

4941
02:53:16,585 --> 02:53:17,519
>> Chair fine. Can you say

4942
02:53:17,519 --> 02:53:21,189
your last name for me and my

4943
02:53:21,189 --> 02:53:23,589
Emily? Thank you. Scottish.

4944
02:53:24,293 --> 02:53:25,494
>> Hi, I'm money.

4945
02:53:25,494 --> 02:53:26,610
>> Part of a group of private

4946
02:53:26,610 --> 02:53:27,797
citizens that provide

4947
02:53:27,797 --> 02:53:29,797
one-fifth 2, 1, 6, the solar

4948
02:53:30,600 --> 02:53:32,302
power for csu, clean energy.

4949
02:53:32,302 --> 02:53:34,538
That's mandated by the state

4950
02:53:34,538 --> 02:53:35,905
as part of his clean Energy

4951
02:53:35,905 --> 02:53:38,305
program. This benefits every

4952
02:53:39,776 --> 02:53:41,645
single csu customer. Now

4953
02:53:41,645 --> 02:53:42,780
ironically bought my system

4954
02:53:42,780 --> 02:53:43,447
because was concerned about

4955
02:53:43,447 --> 02:53:44,949
rising energy rates. Do the

4956
02:53:44,949 --> 02:53:47,686
same clean energy mandates and

4957
02:53:47,686 --> 02:53:48,386
the installer so system. But

4958
02:53:48,386 --> 02:53:51,986
csu sold me the net metering

4959
02:53:52,157 --> 02:53:53,959
program. They knew within a

4960
02:53:53,959 --> 02:53:54,826
few years unaddressed. Change

4961
02:53:54,826 --> 02:53:56,826
program which would

4962
02:53:57,630 --> 02:53:58,364
drastically increase my costs

4963
02:53:58,364 --> 02:54:01,934
Cs, you seem to think I didn't

4964
02:54:01,934 --> 02:54:03,670
even know this. Csu said I

4965
02:54:03,670 --> 02:54:06,172
made a bad business decision.

4966
02:54:06,172 --> 02:54:08,541
I did. I trusted csu and by

4967
02:54:08,541 --> 02:54:11,541
extension, I trusted you all.

4968
02:54:12,613 --> 02:54:13,281
Last year, csu said I was too

4969
02:54:13,281 --> 02:54:13,948
the other customers by not

4970
02:54:13,948 --> 02:54:16,948
paying that man charged for

4971
02:54:17,952 --> 02:54:18,887
increased energy costs between

4972
02:54:18,887 --> 02:54:21,790
5 and 9. Their solution was to

4973
02:54:21,790 --> 02:54:23,425
charge me twice the rate for a

4974
02:54:23,425 --> 02:54:26,425
full 30 days instead of the 20

4975
02:54:26,695 --> 02:54:27,929
days other customers will pay.

4976
02:54:27,929 --> 02:54:30,929
Their example. They came up

4977
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:32,201
with a $25 charge per month

4978
02:54:32,201 --> 02:54:34,471
this year with drastically

4979
02:54:34,471 --> 02:54:36,871
reduced demand rates. The

4980
02:54:37,407 --> 02:54:39,576
charge is $40 a month. Seems

4981
02:54:39,576 --> 02:54:42,576
last year's estimate was a

4982
02:54:43,447 --> 02:54:45,447
little disingenuous. Now

4983
02:54:46,617 --> 02:54:47,184
there's an option where I can

4984
02:54:47,184 --> 02:54:47,851
stopped hitting other

4985
02:54:47,851 --> 02:54:50,755
customers and pay the same

4986
02:54:50,755 --> 02:54:52,690
demand rates as But it will

4987
02:54:52,690 --> 02:54:56,290
cost me a $30 a month access

4988
02:54:56,828 --> 02:54:59,898
fee to do that. Plus, csu will

4989
02:54:59,898 --> 02:55:00,532
graciously keep and sell

4990
02:55:00,532 --> 02:55:03,532
excess energy and pay me

4991
02:55:06,720 --> 02:55:06,806
nothing. These are examples of

4992
02:55:06,806 --> 02:55:10,406
why question whether csu as an

4993
02:55:11,780 --> 02:55:13,460
honest broker. Residential

4994
02:55:13,460 --> 02:55:15,916
solar provides one 51 6 of the

4995
02:55:15,916 --> 02:55:18,352
solar csu uses to meet the

4996
02:55:18,352 --> 02:55:20,255
state mandate. Mandated clean

4997
02:55:20,255 --> 02:55:22,356
energy program while most

4998
02:55:22,356 --> 02:55:24,756
residential solar chair, the

4999
02:55:25,493 --> 02:55:27,162
entire cost of this one one.

5000
02:55:27,162 --> 02:55:29,162
51, 6 portion when every

5001
02:55:30,298 --> 02:55:31,267
customer come see issue

5002
02:55:31,267 --> 02:55:33,435
benefits and every solar

5003
02:55:33,435 --> 02:55:35,171
customer is not the same. Some

5004
02:55:35,171 --> 02:55:38,171
produce all of their energy.

5005
02:55:38,274 --> 02:55:40,110
Some produce only a portion

5006
02:55:40,110 --> 02:55:42,211
below producers will now pay a

5007
02:55:42,211 --> 02:55:43,881
significant penalty about $40

5008
02:55:43,881 --> 02:55:46,820
a month part of which will

5009
02:55:46,820 --> 02:55:46,783
subsidize the higher energy

5010
02:55:46,783 --> 02:55:49,183
producers. Their burden will

5011
02:55:49,519 --> 02:55:50,221
be much greater. Then the $2

5012
02:55:50,221 --> 02:55:53,221
or so projected for all

5013
02:55:53,625 --> 02:55:54,792
customers without this plan.

5014
02:55:54,792 --> 02:55:55,393
Clean energy is more expensive

5015
02:55:55,393 --> 02:55:57,393
than traditional energy

5016
02:55:57,795 --> 02:56:00,795
sources. That burden should be

5017
02:56:01,900 --> 02:56:03,469
shared equally. Residential

5018
02:56:03,469 --> 02:56:06,139
solar help csu me cleaners

5019
02:56:06,139 --> 02:56:06,772
mandates. This plan loads a

5020
02:56:06,772 --> 02:56:08,741
larger in MARCH are cost

5021
02:56:08,741 --> 02:56:09,275
burdened from that on a

5022
02:56:09,275 --> 02:56:11,275
smaller and smaller

5023
02:56:12,645 --> 02:56:15,645
population. I'm not arguing to

5024
02:56:16,183 --> 02:56:16,949
pay nothing. But I don't think

5025
02:56:16,949 --> 02:56:20,549
we've made of I appreciate the

5026
02:56:22,422 --> 02:56:23,910
progress, though.

5027
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:26,910
>> Next step we have Kayla

5028
02:56:32,667 --> 02:56:33,335
Mueller.

5029
02:56:33,335 --> 02:56:35,335
>> Kayla Mueller, lifelong

5030
02:56:36,505 --> 02:56:37,973
resident of Kyra Springs.

5031
02:56:37,973 --> 02:56:39,740
Today. We've lots of lots and

5032
02:56:39,740 --> 02:56:39,976
lots of public comments about

5033
02:56:39,976 --> 02:56:41,610
this. I don't have the

5034
02:56:41,610 --> 02:56:42,778
privilege of being solar user

5035
02:56:42,778 --> 02:56:43,680
yet, but something that I want

5036
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:44,414
to point out to everybody

5037
02:56:44,414 --> 02:56:46,583
sitting here, everybody in the

5038
02:56:46,583 --> 02:56:47,384
room, everybody that cares is

5039
02:56:47,384 --> 02:56:49,353
that the presenter on this

5040
02:56:49,353 --> 02:56:51,555
agenda item is Travis Steele.

5041
02:56:51,555 --> 02:56:53,491
He is not present in the room

5042
02:56:53,491 --> 02:56:54,191
today after this board

5043
02:56:54,191 --> 02:56:57,191
unanimously gave him a raise

5044
02:56:57,328 --> 02:56:58,462
to $700,000, which is more

5045
02:56:58,462 --> 02:56:59,397
than it pays to the

5046
02:56:59,397 --> 02:57:00,310
beneficiaries of the publicly

5047
02:57:00,310 --> 02:57:02,431
owned utility company cut

5048
02:57:03,768 --> 02:57:04,836
matching They've been very

5049
02:57:04,836 --> 02:57:05,771
nice to you. They presented

5050
02:57:05,771 --> 02:57:07,239
their facts, hate my bills

5051
02:57:07,239 --> 02:57:10,839
aren't here. Hey, this is off.

5052
02:57:11,244 --> 02:57:13,179
I'm step farther and say that

5053
02:57:13,179 --> 02:57:14,781
car springs utilities and the

5054
02:57:14,781 --> 02:57:16,781
ceo specifically fundamentally

5055
02:57:17,484 --> 02:57:18,718
misunderstand their purpose.

5056
02:57:18,718 --> 02:57:21,287
It is a publicly owned city

5057
02:57:21,287 --> 02:57:22,389
owned utility company. The

5058
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:24,125
idea that you guys could make

5059
02:57:24,125 --> 02:57:24,261
any decision. Tip a#

5060
02:57:24,261 --> 02:57:26,261
#

5061
02:57:28,950 --> 02:57:29,931
off. The

5062
02:57:29,931 --> 02:57:31,566
consequences of your lack of

5063
02:57:31,566 --> 02:57:32,500
foresight to the literal

5064
02:57:32,500 --> 02:57:34,900
beneficiaries of the utility

5065
02:57:35,604 --> 02:57:37,710
company. It's embarrassing.

5066
02:57:37,710 --> 02:57:39,800
Colorado Springs as a

5067
02:57:39,800 --> 02:57:41,760
community. It is not a

5068
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:42,879
corporation. There are so many

5069
02:57:42,879 --> 02:57:43,545
solutions to this peak hour

5070
02:57:43,545 --> 02:57:46,545
thing in 23 days. There's a

5071
02:57:46,949 --> 02:57:47,751
data center hearing. You could

5072
02:57:47,751 --> 02:57:48,451
go ask rating and all these

5073
02:57:48,451 --> 02:57:51,451
other 13 data centers in the

5074
02:57:51,855 --> 02:57:52,555
springs and say, hey, this

5075
02:57:52,555 --> 02:57:53,524
needs to be covered. And, you

5076
02:57:53,524 --> 02:57:54,158
know, they probably say with

5077
02:57:54,158 --> 02:57:55,625
their 100 million dollar

5078
02:57:55,625 --> 02:57:58,162
project we don't really like

5079
02:57:58,162 --> 02:57:58,896
that. But we understand. But

5080
02:57:58,896 --> 02:58:01,866
instead you've taken the easy,

5081
02:58:01,866 --> 02:58:04,350
dare I say, spineless route

5082
02:58:04,350 --> 02:58:05,836
and tried to pass it on to the

5083
02:58:05,836 --> 02:58:07,205
literal beneficiaries of

5084
02:58:07,205 --> 02:58:07,906
utility company. As far as I'm

5085
02:58:07,906 --> 02:58:08,606
concerned, you guys are lucky

5086
02:58:08,606 --> 02:58:11,606
that you're not being smacked

5087
02:58:13,312 --> 02:58:14,120
with a lawsuit right now

5088
02:58:14,120 --> 02:58:16,412
because csu was fundamentally

5089
02:58:16,449 --> 02:58:17,116
this understanding its purpose

5090
02:58:17,116 --> 02:58:19,352
as a publicly owned utility

5091
02:58:19,352 --> 02:58:22,952
company. I don't need to say

5092
02:58:31,332 --> 02:58:32,567
anything else. That's it.

5093
02:58:32,567 --> 02:58:34,969
>> Next step we have Janet

5094
02:58:34,969 --> 02:58:36,969
room.

5095
02:58:37,806 --> 02:58:39,908
>> Chair Donaldson. If I they

5096
02:58:39,908 --> 02:58:41,943
could be recognized with MADAM

5097
02:58:41,943 --> 02:58:42,878
PRESIDENT. The terms of trying

5098
02:58:42,878 --> 02:58:44,450
steal our co not being here.

5099
02:58:44,450 --> 02:58:44,646
My name is Mike, frankly, I'm

5100
02:58:44,646 --> 02:58:46,646
chief customer officer

5101
02:58:46,782 --> 02:58:47,883
covering for him. He's

5102
02:58:47,883 --> 02:58:49,853
actually at the state level

5103
02:58:49,853 --> 02:58:51,754
advocating on behalf our

5104
02:58:51,754 --> 02:58:52,489
customers in terms of a lot of

5105
02:58:52,489 --> 02:58:54,889
regulatory changes. So I

5106
02:58:55,324 --> 02:58:56,426
wanted just let you know that

5107
02:58:56,426 --> 02:58:57,260
he's actually trying to get

5108
02:58:57,260 --> 02:58:59,463
here. But he had prior

5109
02:58:59,463 --> 02:59:01,863
commitments. At the state.

5110
02:59:07,238 --> 02:59:08,773
>> Thank you. Thank My name is

5111
02:59:08,773 --> 02:59:09,440
to not cup I live in district

5112
02:59:09,440 --> 02:59:11,440
4 head-to-head solar since

5113
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:16,281
2020. One of the meetings

5114
02:59:16,281 --> 02:59:16,982
earlier here in City Hall,

5115
02:59:16,982 --> 02:59:17,617
utilities admitted that they

5116
02:59:17,617 --> 02:59:20,170
knew about this problem 9

5117
02:59:24,124 --> 02:59:25,191
years ago. To me, that's crazy

5118
02:59:25,191 --> 02:59:27,600
that they have allowed all of

5119
02:59:27,600 --> 02:59:28,962
these solar customers to sign

5120
02:59:28,962 --> 02:59:30,697
up with an agreement deal that

5121
02:59:30,697 --> 02:59:31,831
they knew. Wasn't going to be

5122
02:59:31,831 --> 02:59:33,501
valid and that they were going

5123
02:59:33,501 --> 02:59:37,101
to have to change. I think

5124
02:59:37,705 --> 02:59:40,705
that's horrifying. So in put

5125
02:59:40,809 --> 02:59:42,210
10 panels on my roof. I was

5126
02:59:42,210 --> 02:59:45,210
fortunate enough that I could

5127
02:59:46,140 --> 02:59:47,649
pay cash. So it was $14,000.

5128
02:59:47,649 --> 02:59:48,650
Every month. I went to the

5129
02:59:48,650 --> 02:59:52,250
utility site and I wrote down

5130
02:59:52,488 --> 02:59:56,880
how much my you panels were

5131
02:59:56,493 --> 02:59:57,360
bringing me in because I

5132
02:59:57,360 --> 03:00:01,560
wanted to see if I was going

5133
03:00:01,564 --> 03:00:04,601
to make a 10 year pay off. So

5134
03:00:04,601 --> 03:00:05,335
it's like $24.26. Dollars. And

5135
03:00:05,335 --> 03:00:09,474
I want know we're not going to

5136
03:00:09,474 --> 03:00:11,408
pay this down in 10 years. The

5137
03:00:11,408 --> 03:00:12,577
end of last year at a 3 more

5138
03:00:12,577 --> 03:00:16,481
panels. So now I'm up to $30 a

5139
03:00:16,481 --> 03:00:19,851
month. Still going to pay it

5140
03:00:19,851 --> 03:00:21,654
off in 10, 15 years. A solar

5141
03:00:21,654 --> 03:00:23,880
installation is not a one and

5142
03:00:23,880 --> 03:00:26,125
done deal. It has to be

5143
03:00:26,125 --> 03:00:28,125
maintained. The panel's

5144
03:00:28,127 --> 03:00:29,195
degrade. So it's it's not a

5145
03:00:29,195 --> 03:00:32,799
cost, but you can pay down and

5146
03:00:32,799 --> 03:00:36,999
say I'm done. And I think that

5147
03:00:37,337 --> 03:00:39,106
this charge. First solar

5148
03:00:39,106 --> 03:00:40,740
customers only is patently

5149
03:00:40,740 --> 03:00:42,444
unfair. There's been enough

5150
03:00:42,444 --> 03:00:43,644
people here that have said

5151
03:00:43,644 --> 03:00:44,378
that this is a benefit to the

5152
03:00:44,378 --> 03:00:47,978
city. It's a benefit to that

5153
03:00:49,551 --> 03:00:51,854
Earth. And when I did my solar

5154
03:00:51,854 --> 03:00:53,155
installation, I got $265. Back

5155
03:00:53,155 --> 03:00:56,155
from the from the utility

5156
03:00:56,559 --> 03:00:57,259
company. That was my rebate.

5157
03:00:57,259 --> 03:01:00,859
Now those are Nobody gets a

5158
03:01:02,365 --> 03:01:04,340
rebate. I think discouraging

5159
03:01:04,340 --> 03:01:07,340
solar, which this deal will

5160
03:01:07,571 --> 03:01:08,739
certainly do is a mistake. I

5161
03:01:08,739 --> 03:01:09,773
said if we all win the lottery

5162
03:01:09,773 --> 03:01:12,443
or solar customers win the

5163
03:01:12,443 --> 03:01:13,410
lottery and I can put a

5164
03:01:13,410 --> 03:01:16,680
battery in and I can go to

5165
03:01:16,680 --> 03:01:17,582
200% of my usage. Where am I

5166
03:01:17,582 --> 03:01:20,452
going to find someone to

5167
03:01:20,452 --> 03:01:21,786
maintain those crews can even

5168
03:01:21,786 --> 03:01:23,922
this deal is going to kill the

5169
03:01:23,922 --> 03:01:25,257
solar industry, which is a

5170
03:01:25,257 --> 03:01:28,857
mistake for all of us, not

5171
03:01:34,834 --> 03:01:37,834
just the customers. Next step.

5172
03:01:41,809 --> 03:01:44,209
We have Melanie Richardson.

5173
03:01:44,512 --> 03:01:47,512
Thank you so much. More.

5174
03:01:47,816 --> 03:01:48,550
>> Your patients your time.

5175
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:51,550
You're tension. It occurs to

5176
03:01:52,887 --> 03:01:56,487
me that there MAY be something

5177
03:01:57,460 --> 03:02:00,263
of a simple solution here.

5178
03:02:00,263 --> 03:02:00,963
We've heard lots about the

5179
03:02:00,963 --> 03:02:04,563
problems and lots of blame on

5180
03:02:07,737 --> 03:02:08,471
both sides. But it occurred to

5181
03:02:08,471 --> 03:02:10,907
me that a possible solution to

5182
03:02:10,907 --> 03:02:11,508
the 2 problems of citizens

5183
03:02:11,508 --> 03:02:13,908
having to buy expensive

5184
03:02:16,380 --> 03:02:19,380
batteries. And csu having to

5185
03:02:22,190 --> 03:02:24,419
build new infrastructure. The

5186
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:30,560
eliminated. I'm recommending

5187
03:02:35,534 --> 03:02:36,201
csu undertake a comprehensive.

5188
03:02:36,201 --> 03:02:38,601
Comparative analysis of csu

5189
03:02:40,573 --> 03:02:42,573
buying batteries. Versus

5190
03:02:44,211 --> 03:02:46,211
building more infrastructure.

5191
03:02:47,782 --> 03:02:50,182
Releasing the burden customer.

5192
03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:53,588
Ensuring that our future with

5193
03:02:53,588 --> 03:02:55,988
solar in alternative energies

5194
03:02:58,459 --> 03:03:00,859
is secure. Thank you.

5195
03:03:09,238 --> 03:03:12,238
>> Except we have Rick Hart.

5196
03:03:13,676 --> 03:03:14,410
>> Afternoon, I'm Rick Hart.

5197
03:03:14,410 --> 03:03:15,144
>> The talk today before Nancy

5198
03:03:15,144 --> 03:03:17,814
and we've had some discussions

5199
03:03:17,814 --> 03:03:19,814
with original installation

5200
03:03:21,652 --> 03:03:22,686
high was one of them. So. My

5201
03:03:22,686 --> 03:03:24,688
comments are the engineering

5202
03:03:24,688 --> 03:03:25,723
allergies of net metering

5203
03:03:25,723 --> 03:03:26,757
obligation csu created when a

5204
03:03:26,757 --> 03:03:28,593
dedicated help early solar

5205
03:03:28,593 --> 03:03:31,593
systems were built. First off

5206
03:03:32,664 --> 03:03:33,766
from the inception of the

5207
03:03:33,766 --> 03:03:36,166
program, through. I think 2020

5208
03:03:38,704 --> 03:03:39,438
tell the funding one out.

5209
03:03:39,438 --> 03:03:41,700
Regulators cell facing raising

5210
03:03:41,700 --> 03:03:41,707
for mandatory shade analysis.

5211
03:03:41,707 --> 03:03:44,707
Customers were not allowed to

5212
03:03:45,812 --> 03:03:46,779
choose west-facing or time

5213
03:03:46,779 --> 03:03:47,915
today up to my son's eyes. Csu

5214
03:03:47,915 --> 03:03:49,749
mandate is south orientation

5215
03:03:49,749 --> 03:03:50,451
because the program was built

5216
03:03:50,451 --> 03:03:52,451
around maximizing annual

5217
03:03:52,553 --> 03:03:54,121
kilowatt hours. Not time. A

5218
03:03:54,121 --> 03:03:56,521
day performance. Those system

5219
03:03:56,524 --> 03:03:59,294
where all exactly the way csu

5220
03:03:59,294 --> 03:04:02,294
require. Now csu is proposing.

5221
03:04:02,798 --> 03:04:03,499
Policies that penalize the

5222
03:04:03,499 --> 03:04:06,499
people that install them for

5223
03:04:07,403 --> 03:04:08,103
what csu required us to do.

5224
03:04:08,103 --> 03:04:09,605
And so in the early parts of

5225
03:04:09,605 --> 03:04:10,373
this program, you guys are

5226
03:04:10,373 --> 03:04:12,275
begging us to basically

5227
03:04:12,275 --> 03:04:15,275
install solar because of the

5228
03:04:16,313 --> 03:04:17,460
state mandate. Debra Mathis,

5229
03:04:17,460 --> 03:04:17,714
would send out an e-mail said,

5230
03:04:17,714 --> 03:04:18,415
hey, guys, kids do this, do

5231
03:04:18,415 --> 03:04:20,815
this. There's only about 200

5232
03:04:20,818 --> 03:04:23,421
customers a year. Tell about

5233
03:04:23,421 --> 03:04:25,389
2, 2020, that we're installing

5234
03:04:25,389 --> 03:04:27,725
panels. So I find it very

5235
03:04:27,725 --> 03:04:28,392
frustrating that I put him in

5236
03:04:28,392 --> 03:04:30,562
her. The design spent more

5237
03:04:30,562 --> 03:04:32,430
money doing it that way. And

5238
03:04:32,430 --> 03:04:33,932
then which case now you guys

5239
03:04:33,932 --> 03:04:34,966
are changing, you know the

5240
03:04:34,966 --> 03:04:38,937
rules. So if you had are why

5241
03:04:38,937 --> 03:04:40,673
you can't do it. I can't do in

5242
03:04:40,673 --> 03:04:44,244
our ally right now with the

5243
03:04:44,244 --> 03:04:46,245
proposed been incorporated. So

5244
03:04:46,245 --> 03:04:47,747
if you guys for the Colorado

5245
03:04:47,747 --> 03:04:50,747
Peuc Xcel Energy and Black

5246
03:04:51,384 --> 03:04:52,752
Hills, both tried to do this.

5247
03:04:52,752 --> 03:04:53,554
The p uncc in Denver I've

5248
03:04:53,554 --> 03:04:54,221
spoken with have actually

5249
03:04:54,221 --> 03:04:55,422
filed a complaint with the

5250
03:04:55,422 --> 03:04:57,391
Colorado attorney general's

5251
03:04:57,391 --> 03:04:58,192
office regarding this issue.

5252
03:04:58,192 --> 03:05:00,610
They've accepted the complaint

5253
03:05:00,610 --> 03:05:02,998
to wait and see what you guys

5254
03:05:02,998 --> 03:05:06,598
do. We can't have solar only

5255
03:05:06,901 --> 03:05:07,569
charged. A man charged for us.

5256
03:05:07,569 --> 03:05:08,270
But what they you see in

5257
03:05:08,270 --> 03:05:10,205
Denver did which I think you

5258
03:05:10,205 --> 03:05:12,408
guys should follow the same

5259
03:05:12,408 --> 03:05:13,842
format was a grandfather,

5260
03:05:13,842 --> 03:05:14,543
these systems and for 25

5261
03:05:14,543 --> 03:05:16,345
years. And that's what other

5262
03:05:16,345 --> 03:05:19,345
utility companies have done in

5263
03:05:19,815 --> 03:05:20,488
the past. I gave Nancy lots of

5264
03:05:20,488 --> 03:05:22,585
examples of what other

5265
03:05:22,585 --> 03:05:23,686
utilities companies had done.

5266
03:05:23,686 --> 03:05:27,257
I also talked with Dave, I had

5267
03:05:27,257 --> 03:05:27,958
correspondence with Alex and

5268
03:05:27,958 --> 03:05:29,994
they lost the city. Coral

5269
03:05:29,994 --> 03:05:30,694
Springs lost my paperwork in

5270
03:05:30,694 --> 03:05:33,940
the original people that

5271
03:05:34,632 --> 03:05:35,867
participated in the program

5272
03:05:35,867 --> 03:05:38,703
that showed what we had to do.

5273
03:05:38,703 --> 03:05:39,571
What you guys, you know, csu

5274
03:05:39,571 --> 03:05:41,439
dictated the design for the

5275
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:42,708
early stage implementation.

5276
03:05:42,708 --> 03:05:43,442
There's no, I don't have any

5277
03:05:43,442 --> 03:05:45,442
west-facing panels. Everything

5278
03:05:47,479 --> 03:05:48,347
I put in was south-facing now

5279
03:05:48,347 --> 03:05:51,347
on killed with both propose

5280
03:05:53,190 --> 03:05:55,288
plans. So I was hoping we

5281
03:05:55,288 --> 03:05:56,223
revisit the grandfathering

5282
03:05:56,223 --> 03:05:58,626
systems in some systems. Only

5283
03:05:58,626 --> 03:06:01,260
3.5% of the customers actually

5284
03:06:02,363 --> 03:06:03,397
put in solar. It seems like

5285
03:06:03,397 --> 03:06:04,565
that if you guys are going to

5286
03:06:04,565 --> 03:06:06,667
change the rules, which rules

5287
03:06:06,667 --> 03:06:07,936
didn't change not change until

5288
03:06:07,936 --> 03:06:10,305
2027, we should honor these

5289
03:06:10,305 --> 03:06:13,305
commitments made. To us that

5290
03:06:14,276 --> 03:06:15,343
invested into this. And what

5291
03:06:15,343 --> 03:06:17,112
about the older people that

5292
03:06:17,112 --> 03:06:17,813
say solar companies came in

5293
03:06:17,813 --> 03:06:21,413
said your payback is this and

5294
03:06:23,819 --> 03:06:24,487
it's not even going occur.

5295
03:06:24,487 --> 03:06:27,487
>> Next step we have Steve

5296
03:06:30,360 --> 03:06:31,529
right foot.

5297
03:06:31,529 --> 03:06:33,797
>> I'm the guy that drives

5298
03:06:33,797 --> 03:06:34,498
that Lennon murdered truth dot

5299
03:06:34,498 --> 03:06:35,133
com ban around. Believe it or

5300
03:06:35,133 --> 03:06:35,767
not. I used to be the top

5301
03:06:35,767 --> 03:06:37,936
producer, one of the top

5302
03:06:37,936 --> 03:06:40,336
producers in my. Telemarketers

5303
03:06:42,907 --> 03:06:44,843
room, ice to sell solar. Soler

5304
03:06:44,843 --> 03:06:45,510
basically is a hedge against

5305
03:06:45,510 --> 03:06:46,244
inflation. You get payments

5306
03:06:46,244 --> 03:06:49,916
that are equal to or less than

5307
03:06:49,916 --> 03:06:50,650
your bill is currently. Your

5308
03:06:50,650 --> 03:06:51,884
system is paid off in 20 years

5309
03:06:51,884 --> 03:06:52,919
and you've avoided all that

5310
03:06:52,919 --> 03:06:54,553
inflation. Then a short you

5311
03:06:54,553 --> 03:06:55,254
get about 10 years free

5312
03:06:55,254 --> 03:06:56,423
electricity after, you know,

5313
03:06:56,423 --> 03:06:58,823
30 years, it's probably toast.

5314
03:07:00,460 --> 03:07:01,161
But you saved about 25%. But

5315
03:07:01,161 --> 03:07:03,731
what happens rules always get

5316
03:07:03,731 --> 03:07:04,398
change by the system. The

5317
03:07:04,398 --> 03:07:07,398
system is dependent on the

5318
03:07:07,701 --> 03:07:08,335
electricity company in the oil

5319
03:07:08,335 --> 03:07:09,360
companies that are the 2

5320
03:07:09,360 --> 03:07:11,360
biggest institutions besides

5321
03:07:11,338 --> 03:07:12,390
our military. And right now,

5322
03:07:12,390 --> 03:07:15,639
for example, you know how the

5323
03:07:15,777 --> 03:07:16,512
windmills. Create electricity

5324
03:07:16,512 --> 03:07:18,314
with that little resistance

5325
03:07:18,314 --> 03:07:20,349
grinding in that little turban

5326
03:07:20,349 --> 03:07:20,883
box. If you put that

5327
03:07:20,883 --> 03:07:21,617
technology in your

5328
03:07:21,617 --> 03:07:23,419
automobiles, you wouldn't have

5329
03:07:23,419 --> 03:07:24,853
to pay electricity or

5330
03:07:24,853 --> 03:07:25,488
gasoline. The reason that's

5331
03:07:25,488 --> 03:07:27,557
not being developed this

5332
03:07:27,557 --> 03:07:29,692
because the oil companies and

5333
03:07:29,692 --> 03:07:31,294
the electric companies run

5334
03:07:31,294 --> 03:07:32,280
things and they're not letting

5335
03:07:32,280 --> 03:07:34,428
that technologies through. So

5336
03:07:34,864 --> 03:07:36,167
you're working all 20% more.

5337
03:07:36,167 --> 03:07:36,834
Then you need to work to pay

5338
03:07:36,834 --> 03:07:39,203
for gas and electricity. As

5339
03:07:39,203 --> 03:07:40,400
far your car's concern, lot of

5340
03:07:40,400 --> 03:07:42,404
electric cars require energy

5341
03:07:43,208 --> 03:07:44,909
from your house. So they're

5342
03:07:44,909 --> 03:07:47,178
looking at ways to stay in

5343
03:07:47,178 --> 03:07:48,146
power. If this vehicle comes

5344
03:07:48,146 --> 03:07:50,782
out, that transfers the energy

5345
03:07:50,782 --> 03:07:52,885
of windmills turbines in New

5346
03:07:52,885 --> 03:07:53,552
York automobile and gives you

5347
03:07:53,552 --> 03:07:54,252
free recharging. You don't

5348
03:07:54,252 --> 03:07:55,888
need all those batteries. You

5349
03:07:55,888 --> 03:07:56,989
can get rid of half your

5350
03:07:56,989 --> 03:07:59,989
battery pack. You can recharge

5351
03:08:01,194 --> 03:08:01,894
your batteries as you drive.

5352
03:08:01,894 --> 03:08:02,596
That other companies and the

5353
03:08:02,596 --> 03:08:03,229
electric companies are going

5354
03:08:03,229 --> 03:08:04,640
to do everything in their

5355
03:08:04,640 --> 03:08:06,866
power to stop that. And I'm

5356
03:08:06,866 --> 03:08:07,868
sure there is some.

5357
03:08:07,868 --> 03:08:09,269
Shenanigans going on with the

5358
03:08:09,269 --> 03:08:10,203
electric companies around

5359
03:08:10,203 --> 03:08:12,720
here. Tuition. If you arms of

5360
03:08:12,720 --> 03:08:15,142
the city council. So we're up

5361
03:08:15,142 --> 03:08:16,430
against all that. But what I'm

5362
03:08:16,430 --> 03:08:16,744
trying to point out, this is

5363
03:08:16,744 --> 03:08:19,313
imagine I was the most famous

5364
03:08:19,313 --> 03:08:22,180
human on Earth, stay in this

5365
03:08:22,180 --> 03:08:22,818
in front of the world's

5366
03:08:22,818 --> 03:08:23,418
biggest microphone. The road

5367
03:08:23,418 --> 03:08:25,487
would change riding the

5368
03:08:25,487 --> 03:08:26,880
coattails of a revolution that

5369
03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:29,880
my GOD you didn't know

5370
03:08:29,124 --> 03:08:31,461
existed. I'm the guy with the

5371
03:08:31,461 --> 03:08:34,461
John Lennon story. The biggest

5372
03:08:35,732 --> 03:08:38,132
nuisance Christ. For your

5373
03:08:38,235 --> 03:08:39,303
sake, bring me forward. You

5374
03:08:39,303 --> 03:08:42,172
guys. Have got to do something

5375
03:08:42,172 --> 03:08:42,773
to stop the military

5376
03:08:42,773 --> 03:08:44,773
industrial complex that

5377
03:08:46,243 --> 03:08:47,245
controls your media. Keeps you

5378
03:08:47,245 --> 03:08:50,245
stupid. Under Stephen King, no

5379
03:08:50,348 --> 03:08:53,948
less. There's a spell cast on

5380
03:08:54,286 --> 03:08:55,870
all of There's been a spell

5381
03:08:55,870 --> 03:08:55,854
cast on the world since

5382
03:08:55,854 --> 03:08:57,923
Stephen King shot John Lennon.

5383
03:08:57,923 --> 03:08:59,424
You're afraid your government

5384
03:08:59,424 --> 03:09:01,861
only Beatles music set me

5385
03:09:01,861 --> 03:09:05,197
free. I op being afraid. I

5386
03:09:05,197 --> 03:09:05,931
found evidence what you know.

5387
03:09:05,931 --> 03:09:08,100
So these people, if you really

5388
03:09:08,100 --> 03:09:08,701
want a cheap world to live in,

5389
03:09:08,701 --> 03:09:10,203
many want things to be fair,

5390
03:09:10,203 --> 03:09:10,904
you need a hero in your midst.

5391
03:09:10,904 --> 03:09:12,306
I'm not ashamed to say could

5392
03:09:12,306 --> 03:09:16,506
be that guy. But you got to

5393
03:09:17,177 --> 03:09:17,946
bring the forward. Thank you.

5394
03:09:17,946 --> 03:09:20,346
>> That concludes our public

5395
03:09:20,415 --> 03:09:21,490
comment for this Public

5396
03:09:21,490 --> 03:09:24,490
comment is now closed. We

5397
03:09:31,627 --> 03:09:33,610
will. Now bring back to the

5398
03:09:33,610 --> 03:09:34,530
Dias for council questions and

5399
03:09:34,530 --> 03:09:36,165
comments before we address.

5400
03:09:36,165 --> 03:09:38,165
The rebuttal.

5401
03:09:43,607 --> 03:09:45,607
>> 6.

5402
03:09:49,980 --> 03:09:52,380
>> COUNCILMAN Thank you. MADAM

5403
03:09:57,789 --> 03:10:01,389
PRESIDENT I want to first and

5404
03:10:02,962 --> 03:10:04,997
foremost, that. I've been

5405
03:10:04,997 --> 03:10:07,132
taking notes madly through

5406
03:10:07,132 --> 03:10:08,335
this entire hearing and

5407
03:10:08,335 --> 03:10:09,269
listening to really each and

5408
03:10:09,269 --> 03:10:11,437
every one of the customers who

5409
03:10:11,437 --> 03:10:15,542
have come to speak to us. All

5410
03:10:15,542 --> 03:10:19,742
in opposition, by the way. I I

5411
03:10:21,382 --> 03:10:24,982
can not. Say enough about how

5412
03:10:26,621 --> 03:10:28,490
thoughtful and measured and

5413
03:10:28,490 --> 03:10:29,910
well researched and smart you

5414
03:10:29,910 --> 03:10:31,927
all are and how you've

5415
03:10:31,927 --> 03:10:32,627
approached us. Almost

5416
03:10:32,627 --> 03:10:35,270
exclusively with the profound

5417
03:10:37,533 --> 03:10:39,368
amount of respect. It's very

5418
03:10:39,368 --> 03:10:42,368
impressive what you all have

5419
03:10:42,872 --> 03:10:46,472
come to share with us I'm

5420
03:10:47,211 --> 03:10:49,611
concerned that. This council

5421
03:10:51,882 --> 03:10:53,550
is at risk of sacrificing a

5422
03:10:53,550 --> 03:10:56,550
portion of our customer base.

5423
03:10:56,987 --> 03:10:59,987
That is deeply committed to

5424
03:11:00,758 --> 03:11:03,495
this utility to the planet to

5425
03:11:03,495 --> 03:11:04,462
their own energy efficiency to

5426
03:11:04,462 --> 03:11:08,662
the city. It said a re. We've

5427
03:11:08,734 --> 03:11:12,934
heard it all for what is right

5428
03:11:14,106 --> 03:11:15,642
now. 4.5 million dollars and

5429
03:11:15,642 --> 03:11:17,777
is less than 0.2% of our

5430
03:11:17,777 --> 03:11:20,647
overall budget. I just just

5431
03:11:20,647 --> 03:11:24,847
don't get that foot. But I I

5432
03:11:24,952 --> 03:11:26,320
do want to say. By the way,

5433
03:11:26,320 --> 03:11:27,821
the number of electrical

5434
03:11:27,821 --> 03:11:29,557
engineers and nuclear engineer

5435
03:11:29,557 --> 03:11:31,557
interests regular customers

5436
03:11:32,427 --> 03:11:33,194
who have learned a lot about

5437
03:11:33,194 --> 03:11:33,895
energy production. And so like

5438
03:11:33,895 --> 03:11:35,163
by virtue of choosing to put

5439
03:11:35,163 --> 03:11:38,163
this in their homes, it's

5440
03:11:39,201 --> 03:11:40,836
pretty impressive. But I

5441
03:11:40,836 --> 03:11:43,720
really want to say very

5442
03:11:43,720 --> 03:11:43,772
plainly that the proposal we

5443
03:11:43,772 --> 03:11:45,709
are seeing today in a number

5444
03:11:45,709 --> 03:11:46,443
of you even said this is

5445
03:11:46,443 --> 03:11:50,643
better than it was a year ago.

5446
03:11:51,481 --> 03:11:52,249
And I believe it is. And the

5447
03:11:52,249 --> 03:11:54,649
2025 analysis rested on a

5448
03:11:57,321 --> 03:11:59,424
sample of 28 customers and

5449
03:11:59,424 --> 03:12:02,424
this one uses roughly 8400. So

5450
03:12:02,760 --> 03:12:03,394
that's an improvement. The

5451
03:12:03,394 --> 03:12:05,394
utilities leadership did

5452
03:12:05,931 --> 03:12:08,633
listen to this board to this

5453
03:12:08,633 --> 03:12:10,435
council last year. They added

5454
03:12:10,435 --> 03:12:12,835
a five-year transition when

5455
03:12:14,140 --> 03:12:14,807
there was none before. They

5456
03:12:14,807 --> 03:12:17,807
raise the system size kept

5457
03:12:18,578 --> 03:12:19,279
from 100 to 20 120% to 200,

5458
03:12:19,279 --> 03:12:22,482
although so if you've made a

5459
03:12:22,482 --> 03:12:23,490
great case that it's going to

5460
03:12:23,490 --> 03:12:23,750
be almost financially

5461
03:12:23,750 --> 03:12:24,985
impossible to do unless we do

5462
03:12:24,985 --> 03:12:27,385
some things different. But

5463
03:12:27,854 --> 03:12:29,123
nonetheless, appreciate that.

5464
03:12:29,123 --> 03:12:31,523
Spent 8 months of public

5465
03:12:31,892 --> 03:12:32,861
process rather than 7 weeks.

5466
03:12:32,861 --> 03:12:35,960
And I want the record to

5467
03:12:35,960 --> 03:12:37,496
reflect that. I really

5468
03:12:38,933 --> 03:12:39,668
appreciate that work. I'd say

5469
03:12:39,668 --> 03:12:42,570
the vast majority that landed

5470
03:12:42,570 --> 03:12:45,474
on Tristan and Scott and I

5471
03:12:45,474 --> 03:12:47,276
have spent, as I said earlier,

5472
03:12:47,276 --> 03:12:49,345
probably more hours with

5473
03:12:49,345 --> 03:12:51,580
Tristan than he would care

5474
03:12:51,580 --> 03:12:52,582
count. I respect him. I have a

5475
03:12:52,582 --> 03:12:53,283
good relationship with

5476
03:12:53,283 --> 03:12:55,683
Tristan. He's always been

5477
03:12:56,530 --> 03:12:56,686
responsive. He's always worked

5478
03:12:56,686 --> 03:12:59,686
to help me understand and

5479
03:12:59,923 --> 03:13:00,590
answer my questions. And I sat

5480
03:13:00,590 --> 03:13:01,926
down very recently with him

5481
03:13:01,926 --> 03:13:03,661
one more time. And I've said

5482
03:13:03,661 --> 03:13:04,328
publicly, I can't vote for

5483
03:13:04,328 --> 03:13:07,328
something. I don't I can't

5484
03:13:07,498 --> 03:13:08,332
explain to someone else. I'm a

5485
03:13:08,332 --> 03:13:11,932
lot closer to being able to

5486
03:13:12,771 --> 03:13:13,405
explain. And there's something

5487
03:13:13,405 --> 03:13:14,539
new that's come into the

5488
03:13:14,539 --> 03:13:17,539
picture, which I will talk

5489
03:13:19,445 --> 03:13:20,913
about in just a few moments.

5490
03:13:20,913 --> 03:13:21,614
So my questions are really

5491
03:13:21,614 --> 03:13:24,140
about whether utility should

5492
03:13:24,170 --> 03:13:27,170
recover its costs. That's not

5493
03:13:27,854 --> 03:13:28,588
my my concern. Really. We do

5494
03:13:28,588 --> 03:13:29,456
have some additional cost. And

5495
03:13:29,456 --> 03:13:33,560
I think most of you recognize

5496
03:13:36,300 --> 03:13:38,866
that. I want to consider how

5497
03:13:38,866 --> 03:13:40,869
we might SEPTEMBER 22nd

5498
03:13:40,869 --> 03:13:41,736
differently or this whole rate

5499
03:13:41,736 --> 03:13:42,571
case differently but have a

5500
03:13:42,571 --> 03:13:46,171
few things I want to address

5501
03:13:48,544 --> 03:13:49,612
first before I offer that.

5502
03:13:49,612 --> 03:13:51,880
There are 2 options for the

5503
03:13:51,880 --> 03:13:53,416
net metering customers and the

5504
03:13:53,416 --> 03:13:55,518
promise or suggestion of a

5505
03:13:55,518 --> 03:13:56,686
promise for distribute battery

5506
03:13:56,686 --> 03:13:57,420
storage. We haven't heard a

5507
03:13:57,420 --> 03:13:59,289
lot about that. It's been said

5508
03:13:59,289 --> 03:14:02,192
I'll speak to that a little

5509
03:14:02,192 --> 03:14:03,194
bit more in a moment.

5510
03:14:03,194 --> 03:14:05,594
Regarding the standard versus

5511
03:14:05,797 --> 03:14:07,698
net metering demand. I just

5512
03:14:07,698 --> 03:14:09,234
want to point out that it was

5513
03:14:09,234 --> 03:14:09,768
only at the past JUNE 17th

5514
03:14:09,768 --> 03:14:11,569
board meeting when

5515
03:14:11,569 --> 03:14:13,569
Councilmember line Weber.

5516
03:14:13,638 --> 03:14:15,741
Board member want what line

5517
03:14:15,741 --> 03:14:16,708
Weber said that he had a

5518
03:14:16,708 --> 03:14:17,876
problem with the single 15

5519
03:14:17,876 --> 03:14:20,379
minute event during the month

5520
03:14:20,379 --> 03:14:23,979
as as a methodology and that,

5521
03:14:24,383 --> 03:14:25,618
you know, a year ago, it was

5522
03:14:25,618 --> 03:14:27,954
an average you know, I think

5523
03:14:27,954 --> 03:14:30,354
utilities basically said was

5524
03:14:31,524 --> 03:14:32,225
intended at that time, place

5525
03:14:32,225 --> 03:14:33,427
greater emphasis on customer

5526
03:14:33,427 --> 03:14:35,427
satisfaction of Bill

5527
03:14:36,397 --> 03:14:37,970
stability. And we lost for for

5528
03:14:37,970 --> 03:14:40,970
2 reasons that that they have

5529
03:14:43,872 --> 03:14:44,505
explained. Also Councilmember

5530
03:14:44,505 --> 03:14:46,575
Williams and I have had a

5531
03:14:46,575 --> 03:14:48,309
number of conversations and

5532
03:14:48,309 --> 03:14:51,909
she was very clear that back

5533
03:14:52,347 --> 03:14:54,850
then that that. The demand

5534
03:14:54,850 --> 03:14:55,584
calculation had been described

5535
03:14:55,584 --> 03:14:56,986
3 different ways and should be

5536
03:14:56,986 --> 03:15:00,423
that it beyond a shadow of a

5537
03:15:00,423 --> 03:15:01,570
doubt. And we have received a

5538
03:15:01,570 --> 03:15:03,570
plethora e-mail, doesn't

5539
03:15:06,960 --> 03:15:06,796
hundreds probably. We still

5540
03:15:06,796 --> 03:15:08,832
receive from some very smart.

5541
03:15:08,832 --> 03:15:11,569
So the customers who I would

5542
03:15:11,569 --> 03:15:12,236
say don't feel like that has

5543
03:15:12,236 --> 03:15:15,706
Kurt. That's kind of what I

5544
03:15:15,706 --> 03:15:16,640
heard from a lot of you today.

5545
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:17,376
If you don't understand it and

5546
03:15:17,376 --> 03:15:20,376
you're the customers, that's a

5547
03:15:22,414 --> 03:15:24,383
problem. It is a problem. And

5548
03:15:24,383 --> 03:15:25,500
then there's the cost

5549
03:15:25,500 --> 03:15:27,152
causation. And if you could

5550
03:15:27,152 --> 03:15:30,752
move it to slide 16, please. I

5551
03:15:33,827 --> 03:15:35,428
appreciate it. Thank you.

5552
03:15:35,428 --> 03:15:35,995
Talks about estimated impacts

5553
03:15:35,995 --> 03:15:38,395
after the the 5 year

5554
03:15:38,898 --> 03:15:39,933
grandfather. So I have a

5555
03:15:39,933 --> 03:15:43,533
question and it is, I think,

5556
03:15:46,240 --> 03:15:46,908
really Tristan. Is the $38

5557
03:15:46,908 --> 03:15:49,308
figure that's derived from

5558
03:15:50,979 --> 03:15:53,140
Costco station. Under each

5559
03:15:53,140 --> 03:15:53,816
rate option or is it from

5560
03:15:53,816 --> 03:15:56,418
dividing a revenue target by

5561
03:15:56,418 --> 03:15:57,320
the number of solar customers?

5562
03:15:57,320 --> 03:15:59,720
Because if the 2 are

5563
03:16:00,223 --> 03:16:02,191
structurally different rate

5564
03:16:02,191 --> 03:16:04,940
designs produced the same

5565
03:16:04,940 --> 03:16:04,727
average that suggests a

5566
03:16:04,727 --> 03:16:07,127
revenue target with rate

5567
03:16:09,232 --> 03:16:11,670
components afterwards.

5568
03:16:11,670 --> 03:16:14,670
>> The $38 month is the same

5569
03:16:14,204 --> 03:16:15,106
on both rate structures

5570
03:16:15,106 --> 03:16:16,640
because we priced to the

5571
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:17,341
average customer. And we used

5572
03:16:17,341 --> 03:16:18,910
a man charged as one vehicle

5573
03:16:18,910 --> 03:16:19,610
to be able to achieve that.

5574
03:16:19,610 --> 03:16:23,210
And when he's great access be

5575
03:16:24,820 --> 03:16:24,949
in the other. So going to your

5576
03:16:24,949 --> 03:16:26,500
earlier point that you just

5577
03:16:26,500 --> 03:16:27,520
mean last year, we didn't have

5578
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:28,453
averaging that we looked with

5579
03:16:28,453 --> 03:16:29,155
only one option that we

5580
03:16:29,155 --> 03:16:31,555
brought forward. Not one, 15

5581
03:16:33,325 --> 03:16:34,627
minute increment. In this rate

5582
03:16:34,627 --> 03:16:37,627
case we brought forward the

5583
03:16:38,431 --> 03:16:39,466
pull one 15 minute increment

5584
03:16:39,466 --> 03:16:40,600
because we do have an

5585
03:16:40,600 --> 03:16:41,768
averaging option. That's

5586
03:16:41,768 --> 03:16:43,470
option number one that takes

5587
03:16:43,470 --> 03:16:44,471
the average of all of the

5588
03:16:44,471 --> 03:16:45,305
customers across the system

5589
03:16:45,305 --> 03:16:46,400
and says what is that on a per

5590
03:16:46,400 --> 03:16:48,208
day basis and it comes back to

5591
03:16:48,208 --> 03:16:50,945
the one dollar great access,

5592
03:16:50,945 --> 03:16:52,180
the charge. So when we take an

5593
03:16:52,180 --> 03:16:54,820
average customer, we see the 4

5594
03:16:54,820 --> 03:16:55,717
and a half million dollar

5595
03:16:55,717 --> 03:16:56,417
revenue shortfall and we

5596
03:16:56,417 --> 03:16:59,417
calculate back how to recover

5597
03:17:00,422 --> 03:17:02,190
those that short Paul, either

5598
03:17:02,190 --> 03:17:03,459
you and with the demand charge

5599
03:17:03,459 --> 03:17:04,126
with a great access being the

5600
03:17:04,126 --> 03:17:07,126
energy wise rates. It comes

5601
03:17:12,102 --> 03:17:12,886
out to $38 a month.

5602
03:17:12,886 --> 03:17:13,570
>> That's the calculation

5603
03:17:13,570 --> 03:17:16,570
we've made that something that

5604
03:17:17,730 --> 03:17:19,243
will, you know, potentially be

5605
03:17:19,243 --> 03:17:20,177
voting on. But I guess again,

5606
03:17:20,177 --> 03:17:22,413
a number of our customers

5607
03:17:22,413 --> 03:17:23,113
still don't don't fully

5608
03:17:23,113 --> 03:17:25,513
understand appreciate that or

5609
03:17:26,351 --> 03:17:28,219
feel is fair. And so I think

5610
03:17:28,219 --> 03:17:30,855
overall I heard so many things

5611
03:17:30,855 --> 03:17:32,240
today from all of you and one

5612
03:17:32,240 --> 03:17:32,891
of the things that impressed

5613
03:17:32,891 --> 03:17:33,892
me as many of you said, I'm

5614
03:17:33,892 --> 03:17:34,893
not going to repeat that

5615
03:17:34,893 --> 03:17:35,561
because it was already said

5616
03:17:35,561 --> 03:17:38,697
which a lot of people when

5617
03:17:38,697 --> 03:17:39,432
they come talk to us do. But

5618
03:17:39,432 --> 03:17:41,832
you made additional different

5619
03:17:42,369 --> 03:17:44,303
and very interesting point.

5620
03:17:44,303 --> 03:17:46,406
And but overarching what I

5621
03:17:46,406 --> 03:17:48,806
heard from you all.

5622
03:17:50,644 --> 03:17:51,378
>> Is that you feel betrayed?

5623
03:17:51,378 --> 03:17:53,681
You feel betrayed by a utility

5624
03:17:53,681 --> 03:17:57,281
that you have trusted in for

5625
03:17:58,787 --> 03:17:59,520
decades. Many of you. Who who

5626
03:17:59,520 --> 03:18:00,154
entered a written agreement in

5627
03:18:00,154 --> 03:18:00,855
a relationship and I know

5628
03:18:00,855 --> 03:18:02,257
utilities and said, will you

5629
03:18:02,257 --> 03:18:05,857
sign a contract and, you know,

5630
03:18:06,128 --> 03:18:06,996
contracts have have, you know,

5631
03:18:06,996 --> 03:18:07,630
closets and sore foot. Then

5632
03:18:07,630 --> 03:18:09,131
you should realize you're

5633
03:18:09,131 --> 03:18:11,131
entering business agreement

5634
03:18:11,967 --> 03:18:13,102
and things could change. But

5635
03:18:13,102 --> 03:18:13,837
but this is a publicly owned

5636
03:18:13,837 --> 03:18:15,772
utility company. And you enter

5637
03:18:15,772 --> 03:18:16,339
this in good faith and

5638
03:18:16,339 --> 03:18:18,739
somebody just gave an

5639
03:18:19,476 --> 03:18:22,479
incredible example of of I was

5640
03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:23,180
told to put the panels on the

5641
03:18:23,180 --> 03:18:26,584
east side of the house and it

5642
03:18:26,584 --> 03:18:28,386
was never given the option to

5643
03:18:28,386 --> 03:18:29,530
capture that ppp time when in

5644
03:18:29,530 --> 03:18:32,157
the summer it when the sun

5645
03:18:32,157 --> 03:18:32,991
still up, you know, so so

5646
03:18:32,991 --> 03:18:34,626
whether it be betrayal by

5647
03:18:34,626 --> 03:18:36,328
something as significant as

5648
03:18:36,328 --> 03:18:37,629
that or he told me to to buy,

5649
03:18:37,629 --> 03:18:39,865
you know, led lights. And I

5650
03:18:39,865 --> 03:18:43,465
did that right. I mean, you

5651
03:18:44,360 --> 03:18:47,360
have been good good customers

5652
03:18:47,607 --> 03:18:49,142
of csu and trusted customers.

5653
03:18:49,142 --> 03:18:49,776
And that has changed. And we

5654
03:18:49,776 --> 03:18:52,776
have been hearing that as

5655
03:18:52,779 --> 03:18:55,779
utility board. In our last

5656
03:18:56,416 --> 03:18:57,719
meeting, we looked at our

5657
03:18:57,719 --> 03:18:59,854
scorecard and our customer

5658
03:18:59,854 --> 03:19:01,690
satisfaction mates are down

5659
03:19:01,690 --> 03:19:02,657
and dropping. We did a pram

5660
03:19:02,657 --> 03:19:04,359
survey recently in JULY that I

5661
03:19:04,359 --> 03:19:07,959
haven't seen yet. But I'm very

5662
03:19:08,163 --> 03:19:11,200
keen to see. I've heard that

5663
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:11,900
maybe not so great, great and

5664
03:19:11,900 --> 03:19:13,900
matches customer satisfaction

5665
03:19:16,138 --> 03:19:18,140
drop. I have a meeting to get

5666
03:19:18,140 --> 03:19:19,910
cute up on that here. It's on

5667
03:19:19,910 --> 03:19:20,644
my calendar. I'm not sure that

5668
03:19:20,644 --> 03:19:21,311
the plan is to present that to

5669
03:19:21,311 --> 03:19:24,911
the whole board, but I sure

5670
03:19:25,115 --> 03:19:27,450
hope so. We have a trust

5671
03:19:27,450 --> 03:19:28,252
problem with csu. There isn't

5672
03:19:28,252 --> 03:19:31,689
a single person up here who

5673
03:19:31,689 --> 03:19:32,389
wouldn't tell you that we are

5674
03:19:32,389 --> 03:19:33,791
receiving emails every single

5675
03:19:33,791 --> 03:19:35,927
day about the rate increases

5676
03:19:35,927 --> 03:19:36,894
that people are experiencing.

5677
03:19:36,894 --> 03:19:40,494
This is a very specific part

5678
03:19:41,100 --> 03:19:41,767
of our population. I voted for

5679
03:19:41,767 --> 03:19:43,135
that 5 case. I'm not saying

5680
03:19:43,135 --> 03:19:45,135
that we don't.

5681
03:19:47,507 --> 03:19:48,241
>> Have needs for greater

5682
03:19:48,241 --> 03:19:51,644
rates and I won't go into that

5683
03:19:51,644 --> 03:19:53,513
whole argument. But I'm not

5684
03:19:53,513 --> 03:19:56,450
here to say that utilities is

5685
03:19:56,450 --> 03:19:59,252
bad or or not with integrity.

5686
03:19:59,252 --> 03:20:00,121
I'm challenging and I'm

5687
03:20:00,121 --> 03:20:00,888
challenged by this one

5688
03:20:00,888 --> 03:20:03,888
particular item, which you all

5689
03:20:04,792 --> 03:20:06,270
have so well spoken to, which

5690
03:20:06,270 --> 03:20:09,598
leads me to the promise of or

5691
03:20:09,598 --> 03:20:11,660
the hope for. Battery storage

5692
03:20:11,660 --> 03:20:14,660
solutions. So many of you

5693
03:20:14,870 --> 03:20:15,770
mentioned this and in fact,

5694
03:20:15,770 --> 03:20:18,173
you know, the guy who spoke

5695
03:20:18,173 --> 03:20:21,760
who Scott Unicorn house, that

5696
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:22,120
sounds like you says no

5697
03:20:22,120 --> 03:20:24,412
interest whatsoever is going

5698
03:20:24,815 --> 03:20:25,715
to benefit because of of

5699
03:20:25,715 --> 03:20:27,784
battery. But I understand

5700
03:20:27,784 --> 03:20:30,488
Tristan say that people who

5701
03:20:30,488 --> 03:20:33,488
choose the demand charge will

5702
03:20:33,724 --> 03:20:35,859
also benefit from battery. But

5703
03:20:35,859 --> 03:20:37,395
where is the support for

5704
03:20:37,395 --> 03:20:39,395
battery battery distributed

5705
03:20:40,499 --> 03:20:42,467
sort storage for for this

5706
03:20:42,467 --> 03:20:44,636
group. And furthermore, I

5707
03:20:44,636 --> 03:20:46,304
heard from Tristan and from

5708
03:20:46,304 --> 03:20:47,600
Travis, by the way, I am

5709
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:47,706
disappointed who's not here.

5710
03:20:47,706 --> 03:20:51,306
I'm glad he's working at the

5711
03:20:51,543 --> 03:20:52,678
state. But more important

5712
03:20:52,678 --> 03:20:53,380
thing is there right now for

5713
03:20:53,380 --> 03:20:55,815
utilities and this rate case,

5714
03:20:55,815 --> 03:20:56,817
I don't know. I don't know the

5715
03:20:56,817 --> 03:20:58,886
details. Maybe there was

5716
03:20:58,886 --> 03:21:00,920
absolutely no other way for

5717
03:21:00,920 --> 03:21:02,690
him to do both at the same

5718
03:21:02,690 --> 03:21:03,524
time, I can't make that

5719
03:21:03,524 --> 03:21:04,191
judgment because I don't know.

5720
03:21:04,191 --> 03:21:07,191
But I am disappointed that

5721
03:21:07,828 --> 03:21:09,970
he's not here. But I heard

5722
03:21:09,970 --> 03:21:13,267
from him and I heard from you,

5723
03:21:13,267 --> 03:21:14,302
Tristan, that yes, we are very

5724
03:21:14,302 --> 03:21:15,537
seriously looking into this

5725
03:21:15,537 --> 03:21:17,138
and we want to present this so

5726
03:21:17,138 --> 03:21:19,875
that you can support this. Now

5727
03:21:19,875 --> 03:21:21,878
interest in you said numerous

5728
03:21:21,878 --> 03:21:23,780
times when you came up to the

5729
03:21:23,780 --> 03:21:24,547
podium today that we got to

5730
03:21:24,547 --> 03:21:25,381
get that 4.5 million or we

5731
03:21:25,381 --> 03:21:28,981
can't make it make make it

5732
03:21:29,486 --> 03:21:32,486
pencil out. Sure. So my

5733
03:21:33,490 --> 03:21:34,324
question, if Peak Energy

5734
03:21:34,324 --> 03:21:35,893
rewards operates today under

5735
03:21:35,893 --> 03:21:36,526
today's rates. And our rate

5736
03:21:36,526 --> 03:21:38,429
design is firm enough to

5737
03:21:38,429 --> 03:21:40,164
believe dance to it to come to

5738
03:21:40,164 --> 03:21:42,167
this council and say we want

5739
03:21:42,167 --> 03:21:45,167
to charge those rates, then

5740
03:21:45,303 --> 03:21:48,340
why is it not firm enough? 2

5741
03:21:48,340 --> 03:21:51,340
addressed battery now. I don't

5742
03:21:51,610 --> 03:21:55,210
get that. Would you like to

5743
03:21:57,950 --> 03:21:58,551
like to take that?

5744
03:21:58,551 --> 03:22:01,870
>> the answer is we are

5745
03:22:01,870 --> 03:22:01,788
starting from 400 or 4.5

5746
03:22:01,788 --> 03:22:03,390
million dollars upside down.

5747
03:22:03,390 --> 03:22:05,325
When we look at any dollars

5748
03:22:05,325 --> 03:22:08,925
that we put towards a program

5749
03:22:09,960 --> 03:22:10,630
that's either demand side

5750
03:22:10,630 --> 03:22:11,565
related we have to be able to

5751
03:22:11,565 --> 03:22:12,467
put those costs out. So if I'm

5752
03:22:12,467 --> 03:22:13,134
going to go through and say,

5753
03:22:13,134 --> 03:22:15,837
here's how much rebate per

5754
03:22:15,837 --> 03:22:16,537
kilowatt for a battery, I'm

5755
03:22:16,537 --> 03:22:19,537
starting at negative 4 and a

5756
03:22:19,774 --> 03:22:20,475
half million dollars. So right

5757
03:22:20,475 --> 03:22:21,142
now it would be I would like

5758
03:22:21,142 --> 03:22:21,844
to charge you a little bit

5759
03:22:21,844 --> 03:22:22,511
more for that battery to make

5760
03:22:22,511 --> 03:22:24,613
sure that we can level out

5761
03:22:24,613 --> 03:22:26,515
there the rates if we can get

5762
03:22:26,515 --> 03:22:27,383
everyone on the same basis, we

5763
03:22:27,383 --> 03:22:28,517
built rate structure that will

5764
03:22:28,517 --> 03:22:29,785
allow you to avoid the demand

5765
03:22:29,785 --> 03:22:30,853
charge because you have a

5766
03:22:30,853 --> 03:22:34,453
battery and and if you would

5767
03:22:34,757 --> 03:22:35,793
give the same thing that we

5768
03:22:35,793 --> 03:22:36,926
see in the peak rewards

5769
03:22:36,926 --> 03:22:39,326
thermostat program, which is

5770
03:22:39,897 --> 03:22:40,931
ability to use battery during

5771
03:22:40,931 --> 03:22:42,867
our peak time frame. We would

5772
03:22:42,867 --> 03:22:44,335
be able to say here's how much

5773
03:22:44,335 --> 03:22:47,338
we should give us benefit from

5774
03:22:47,338 --> 03:22:48,406
that. Okay. So

5775
03:22:48,406 --> 03:22:49,107
>> if you are working toward

5776
03:22:49,107 --> 03:22:51,375
that, you're preparing that.

5777
03:22:51,375 --> 03:22:52,143
But it just is like point were

5778
03:22:52,143 --> 03:22:53,912
percent percent of our overall

5779
03:22:53,912 --> 03:22:55,514
budget that you're saying

5780
03:22:55,514 --> 03:22:58,484
we're under. What else in our

5781
03:22:58,484 --> 03:22:58,851
budget is 4.5 million dollars.

5782
03:22:58,851 --> 03:22:59,718
Just an.

5783
03:22:59,718 --> 03:23:01,688
>> All of the things that

5784
03:23:01,688 --> 03:23:02,855
total up to 4 billion dollar

5785
03:23:02,855 --> 03:23:03,756
bill down over 5 years that we

5786
03:23:03,756 --> 03:23:06,492
are trying to prioritize and

5787
03:23:06,492 --> 03:23:09,496
looking at every one of those

5788
03:23:09,496 --> 03:23:10,397
dollars as a as the cfo for

5789
03:23:10,397 --> 03:23:13,397
the utilities. I care about

5790
03:23:14,680 --> 03:23:15,936
all 230,000 of our residential

5791
03:23:15,936 --> 03:23:16,637
customers and making sure that

5792
03:23:16,637 --> 03:23:19,637
we achieve rate stability for

5793
03:23:20,410 --> 03:23:21,750
all of them. When we look at

5794
03:23:21,750 --> 03:23:23,344
these programs, we have to do

5795
03:23:23,344 --> 03:23:23,979
with all of those dollars in

5796
03:23:23,979 --> 03:23:25,280
mind. When we look at the

5797
03:23:25,280 --> 03:23:26,181
programs that we currently

5798
03:23:26,181 --> 03:23:26,915
offer, you have to be able to

5799
03:23:26,915 --> 03:23:29,151
look at those things. If we're

5800
03:23:29,151 --> 03:23:30,252
to look at these right now, we

5801
03:23:30,252 --> 03:23:31,454
want even start looking at the

5802
03:23:31,454 --> 03:23:32,822
rebate programs at these rates

5803
03:23:32,822 --> 03:23:35,822
are place. We're starting from

5804
03:23:36,693 --> 03:23:37,693
a place that does not have on

5805
03:23:37,693 --> 03:23:39,863
equity amongst the rate

5806
03:23:39,863 --> 03:23:40,564
structure. It's a no-go for

5807
03:23:40,564 --> 03:23:43,000
us. So the idea that we would

5808
03:23:43,000 --> 03:23:43,667
go back now and look at rebate

5809
03:23:43,667 --> 03:23:44,334
structure when we have the

5810
03:23:44,334 --> 03:23:46,871
inequity that is there, it

5811
03:23:46,871 --> 03:23:49,271
would not happen. So.

5812
03:23:52,176 --> 03:23:53,211
>> Tristan, what? Trying to

5813
03:23:53,211 --> 03:23:54,378
appreciate that. I'm I'm not

5814
03:23:54,378 --> 03:23:55,580
sure that I I fully agree with

5815
03:23:55,580 --> 03:23:57,415
you. I think that's a choice

5816
03:23:57,415 --> 03:23:58,116
that a policy choice that we

5817
03:23:58,116 --> 03:24:01,116
could make that this council

5818
03:24:02,321 --> 03:24:03,255
could make. And what I've

5819
03:24:03,255 --> 03:24:04,156
heard from this group and what

5820
03:24:04,156 --> 03:24:05,910
I actually heard from Travis.

5821
03:24:05,910 --> 03:24:08,691
And I'm sorry, he's not here

5822
03:24:11,598 --> 03:24:12,266
to speak to this. But that. We

5823
03:24:12,266 --> 03:24:13,533
would offer this not just a

5824
03:24:13,533 --> 03:24:16,203
solar customers, but to and

5825
03:24:16,203 --> 03:24:18,603
the utility customer because

5826
03:24:19,606 --> 03:24:21,643
having distributed storage. Is

5827
03:24:21,643 --> 03:24:24,643
good for the entire system.

5828
03:24:24,913 --> 03:24:25,547
And for the future and the

5829
03:24:25,547 --> 03:24:27,947
climate challenge is that

5830
03:24:28,983 --> 03:24:29,651
we've heard coming up and and

5831
03:24:29,651 --> 03:24:30,319
we heard a nuclear engineer

5832
03:24:30,319 --> 03:24:33,789
not want to get involved in

5833
03:24:33,789 --> 03:24:35,791
the nuclear debate. You know,

5834
03:24:35,791 --> 03:24:37,760
we did use a new pact by the

5835
03:24:37,760 --> 03:24:38,394
way to look at new clear. But

5836
03:24:38,394 --> 03:24:41,698
we don't want to have you

5837
03:24:41,698 --> 03:24:44,698
pack. Look at solar policy.

5838
03:24:47,437 --> 03:24:49,837
But that is ridiculously

5839
03:24:50,307 --> 03:24:51,108
expensive right now. And we

5840
03:24:51,108 --> 03:24:53,770
know that. And here is

5841
03:24:53,770 --> 03:24:54,245
something that we could be

5842
03:24:54,245 --> 03:24:57,845
doing for all of our customers

5843
03:24:58,149 --> 03:24:58,984
and to create greater less

5844
03:24:58,984 --> 03:25:01,954
demand at those peak hours by

5845
03:25:01,954 --> 03:25:03,954
distributing battery storage.

5846
03:25:07,126 --> 03:25:07,827
That technology out there. I

5847
03:25:07,827 --> 03:25:10,763
guess I guess what I'm gonna

5848
03:25:10,763 --> 03:25:11,664
get to my my final thing and I

5849
03:25:11,664 --> 03:25:13,799
I see a motion and there's not

5850
03:25:13,799 --> 03:25:15,769
a second. So I'm going to make

5851
03:25:15,769 --> 03:25:17,203
a motion that there's a motion

5852
03:25:17,203 --> 03:25:17,937
on the screen, but there's not

5853
03:25:17,937 --> 03:25:22,109
a second for the rate case, as

5854
03:25:22,109 --> 03:25:24,979
is. Now there's a make an

5855
03:25:24,979 --> 03:25:25,579
amendment. I'm going to make

5856
03:25:25,579 --> 03:25:26,346
suggest amendment. And

5857
03:25:26,346 --> 03:25:29,346
Michael, if you would, please

5858
03:25:31,719 --> 03:25:34,256
pass that out. So I want to be

5859
03:25:34,256 --> 03:25:37,256
clear. With you all about

5860
03:25:38,393 --> 03:25:39,861
where I am. I'm not asking

5861
03:25:39,861 --> 03:25:40,563
this council to say that

5862
03:25:40,563 --> 03:25:42,963
utilities MAY never adjusts

5863
03:25:46,903 --> 03:25:47,704
net metering compensation. I

5864
03:25:47,704 --> 03:25:50,104
think the cost recovery

5865
03:25:52,610 --> 03:25:53,610
concern is real. And I think

5866
03:25:53,610 --> 03:25:56,100
the 2026 analysis done some

5867
03:25:57,181 --> 03:25:57,981
very serious work. I've talked

5868
03:25:57,981 --> 03:26:01,581
about how much time I've spent

5869
03:26:03,921 --> 03:26:05,490
on this already. I am now more

5870
03:26:05,490 --> 03:26:09,900
clear that there is real cost

5871
03:26:09,662 --> 03:26:10,495
to operations of the system to

5872
03:26:10,495 --> 03:26:11,196
infrastructure, from moving

5873
03:26:11,196 --> 03:26:13,632
electricity to and from a net

5874
03:26:13,632 --> 03:26:14,299
metering customers home. But

5875
03:26:14,299 --> 03:26:17,299
my ultimate concern is more

5876
03:26:17,971 --> 03:26:19,505
about how how we have dealt

5877
03:26:19,505 --> 03:26:20,206
with this known it for 9

5878
03:26:20,206 --> 03:26:22,375
years. We just heard somebody

5879
03:26:22,375 --> 03:26:25,375
say that. Customers who have

5880
03:26:25,812 --> 03:26:26,580
been loyal. Who want to be

5881
03:26:26,580 --> 03:26:28,649
loyal and a part of the

5882
03:26:28,649 --> 03:26:31,490
solution to customer owned

5883
03:26:33,688 --> 03:26:37,288
utility. So I am making a

5884
03:26:37,825 --> 03:26:39,961
motion to amend the proposed

5885
03:26:39,961 --> 03:26:40,829
tariffs to provide that the

5886
03:26:40,829 --> 03:26:43,699
new net metering rate option

5887
03:26:43,699 --> 03:26:45,680
shall not take effect until

5888
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:47,269
Colorado Springs utilities has

5889
03:26:47,269 --> 03:26:50,269
filed city Council and City

5890
03:26:51,700 --> 03:26:52,976
Council has approved a

5891
03:26:52,976 --> 03:26:54,976
distributed energy storage

5892
03:26:55,179 --> 03:26:57,179
program, including customer

5893
03:26:58,182 --> 03:27:00,551
own battery rebate levels

5894
03:27:00,551 --> 03:27:02,860
program, budget participation,

5895
03:27:02,860 --> 03:27:04,322
capacity and enrollment time

5896
03:27:04,322 --> 03:27:05,823
line with an availability

5897
03:27:05,823 --> 03:27:06,624
date. No later than the

5898
03:27:06,624 --> 03:27:09,624
effective date of the Strait

5899
03:27:10,562 --> 03:27:14,162
options. That is my motion. I

5900
03:27:15,233 --> 03:27:16,368
would appreciate a second.

5901
03:27:16,368 --> 03:27:17,360
Present cars not address

5902
03:27:17,360 --> 03:27:18,237
procedurally the rate case

5903
03:27:18,237 --> 03:27:21,237
process here for a moment.

5904
03:27:22,141 --> 03:27:22,808
>> Just want to clarify.

5905
03:27:22,808 --> 03:27:24,844
Today. City Council is not

5906
03:27:24,844 --> 03:27:26,113
giving a final vote on the

5907
03:27:26,113 --> 03:27:26,746
proposed changes. So we're not

5908
03:27:26,746 --> 03:27:29,746
looking for a motion to

5909
03:27:30,750 --> 03:27:31,452
approve those changes today.

5910
03:27:31,452 --> 03:27:32,653
Today put, I believe, council

5911
03:27:32,653 --> 03:27:33,955
on number 100 will be

5912
03:27:33,955 --> 03:27:36,290
proposing it to direct

5913
03:27:36,290 --> 03:27:38,392
utilities to make those

5914
03:27:38,392 --> 03:27:40,294
changes to its terror proposed

5915
03:27:40,294 --> 03:27:41,960
tariffs so that then you could

5916
03:27:41,960 --> 03:27:44,960
voted vote on those on

5917
03:27:45,670 --> 03:27:47,670
SEPTEMBER 22nd. So that. I

5918
03:27:47,670 --> 03:27:48,804
welcome you to address engines

5919
03:27:48,804 --> 03:27:49,972
proposal. It's going to

5920
03:27:49,972 --> 03:27:53,572
clarify that that would not be

5921
03:27:53,676 --> 03:27:55,611
a motion to approve the

5922
03:27:55,611 --> 03:27:56,279
proposed changes. It would be

5923
03:27:56,279 --> 03:27:58,615
a direction to utilities to

5924
03:27:58,615 --> 03:27:59,849
make those changes that will

5925
03:27:59,849 --> 03:28:01,518
be presented for a final

5926
03:28:01,518 --> 03:28:02,219
decision on SEPTEMBER 22nd.

5927
03:28:02,219 --> 03:28:04,755
And to be clear, I was asked

5928
03:28:04,755 --> 03:28:06,755
by.

5929
03:28:07,892 --> 03:28:09,994
>> The attorney of record

5930
03:28:09,994 --> 03:28:10,694
Renee Condon to make this

5931
03:28:10,694 --> 03:28:12,830
motion today to die. Not City

5932
03:28:12,830 --> 03:28:15,200
attorney and Renee Condon. I

5933
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:18,200
was I have documentation that

5934
03:28:19,739 --> 03:28:20,172
you asked me to make this

5935
03:28:20,172 --> 03:28:20,740
motion today.

5936
03:28:20,740 --> 03:28:22,674
>> Condon know what I

5937
03:28:22,674 --> 03:28:24,376
suggested was that if you

5938
03:28:24,376 --> 03:28:26,279
wanted to make a motion to

5939
03:28:26,279 --> 03:28:27,380
postpone that, you would make

5940
03:28:27,380 --> 03:28:30,160
it today. That was the only

5941
03:28:30,160 --> 03:28:31,510
emotion or procedural motion.

5942
03:28:31,510 --> 03:28:31,751
What you're making is a motion

5943
03:28:31,751 --> 03:28:33,754
of substance to substantively

5944
03:28:33,754 --> 03:28:35,856
change the rate case. If you

5945
03:28:35,856 --> 03:28:37,825
want to change the rate case,

5946
03:28:37,825 --> 03:28:39,293
there's a portion of the

5947
03:28:39,293 --> 03:28:41,629
agenda which I believe is an

5948
03:28:41,629 --> 03:28:44,533
item 8 where you would give

5949
03:28:44,533 --> 03:28:45,299
direction to MR. Bid lack. He

5950
03:28:45,299 --> 03:28:48,299
would make the change in

5951
03:28:48,804 --> 03:28:49,538
Consensus of the group, the

5952
03:28:49,538 --> 03:28:52,538
council members, he would make

5953
03:28:52,742 --> 03:28:53,576
the change to rate case. It

5954
03:28:53,576 --> 03:28:55,377
will come back first for a

5955
03:28:55,377 --> 03:28:57,680
work session where it would

5956
03:28:57,680 --> 03:28:58,414
presented you all will hear

5957
03:28:58,414 --> 03:28:59,114
that work session if you agree

5958
03:28:59,114 --> 03:29:01,684
that he captured all of the

5959
03:29:01,684 --> 03:29:03,120
comments and the directions

5960
03:29:03,120 --> 03:29:04,200
then on the next day, which I

5961
03:29:04,200 --> 03:29:04,988
believe the SEPTEMBER 22nd.

5962
03:29:04,988 --> 03:29:07,557
Then you make the motion to

5963
03:29:07,557 --> 03:29:08,926
approve as it was presented.

5964
03:29:08,926 --> 03:29:10,828
So any motion today would be a

5965
03:29:10,828 --> 03:29:13,828
procedural motion. So a motion

5966
03:29:15,660 --> 03:29:18,660
to postpone or too, think

5967
03:29:18,237 --> 03:29:19,838
maybe term but not hear it

5968
03:29:19,838 --> 03:29:20,604
postponed to a date certain or

5969
03:29:20,604 --> 03:29:21,306
postpone indefinitely. Those

5970
03:29:21,306 --> 03:29:24,750
are the types of motions you

5971
03:29:24,750 --> 03:29:24,777
would make today. You would

5972
03:29:24,777 --> 03:29:28,377
actually make a motion on the

5973
03:29:30,283 --> 03:29:31,450
substance today. Okay. Well.

5974
03:29:31,450 --> 03:29:32,619
Thank you for that

5975
03:29:32,619 --> 03:29:34,620
clarification. I'm sorry that

5976
03:29:34,620 --> 03:29:36,230
we did not that. I did not

5977
03:29:36,230 --> 03:29:36,656
have that clarification

5978
03:29:36,656 --> 03:29:38,459
before. Just making this

5979
03:29:38,459 --> 03:29:39,193
motion, then I will.

5980
03:29:39,193 --> 03:29:39,793
>> Since I don't have a

5981
03:29:39,793 --> 03:29:42,193
second, I willhange my

5982
03:29:43,297 --> 03:29:44,640
motion. And it will be

5983
03:29:44,640 --> 03:29:47,640
essentially what you have in

5984
03:29:47,402 --> 03:29:49,802
front of you councilmembers.

5985
03:29:50,370 --> 03:29:52,874
It would be simply to instead

5986
03:29:52,874 --> 03:29:53,776
to amend the proposed tariffs

5987
03:29:53,776 --> 03:29:56,176
to postpone the proposed

5988
03:29:56,746 --> 03:29:57,646
tariffs to provide that the

5989
03:29:57,646 --> 03:30:00,383
new net metering rate option

5990
03:30:00,383 --> 03:30:01,250
shall not take effect until

5991
03:30:01,250 --> 03:30:03,650
Colorado Springs utilities has

5992
03:30:04,120 --> 03:30:07,120
filed with City Council and

5993
03:30:08,570 --> 03:30:09,158
City Council has approved a

5994
03:30:09,158 --> 03:30:09,827
distributed energy storage

5995
03:30:09,827 --> 03:30:11,827
program, including customer

5996
03:30:12,280 --> 03:30:14,298
own battery, be bait levels

5997
03:30:14,298 --> 03:30:15,599
program. Budget participation

5998
03:30:15,599 --> 03:30:17,999
capacity and enrollment time

5999
03:30:18,903 --> 03:30:19,738
line with an availability date

6000
03:30:19,738 --> 03:30:22,738
no longer than the effective

6001
03:30:22,808 --> 03:30:25,644
date of these rate options.

6002
03:30:25,644 --> 03:30:26,445
>> And can I clarify? I think

6003
03:30:26,445 --> 03:30:27,445
you have to motions in One

6004
03:30:27,445 --> 03:30:30,248
would be to postpone, which

6005
03:30:30,248 --> 03:30:30,917
would be a procedural motion

6006
03:30:30,917 --> 03:30:32,318
which you could make today,

6007
03:30:32,318 --> 03:30:35,321
you could make a motion to

6008
03:30:35,321 --> 03:30:36,656
postpone the entire rate case

6009
03:30:36,656 --> 03:30:37,557
without making any changes. So

6010
03:30:37,557 --> 03:30:41,327
it could be to a date certain

6011
03:30:41,327 --> 03:30:43,697
indefinitely. That would be

6012
03:30:43,697 --> 03:30:44,598
one motion different motion.

6013
03:30:44,598 --> 03:30:45,198
Wouldn't necessarily be

6014
03:30:45,198 --> 03:30:45,899
emotion. You would be a

6015
03:30:45,899 --> 03:30:47,768
recommendation where you'd be

6016
03:30:47,768 --> 03:30:50,710
seeking consensus of the rest

6017
03:30:50,710 --> 03:30:51,105
of council to revise the rate

6018
03:30:51,105 --> 03:30:51,806
case to incorporate the

6019
03:30:51,806 --> 03:30:54,806
statement that that you just

6020
03:30:56,245 --> 03:30:59,245
read. So. My greater decider.

6021
03:31:02,852 --> 03:31:03,986
>> Than to postpone is to.

6022
03:31:03,986 --> 03:31:05,210
>> Provide new net metering

6023
03:31:05,210 --> 03:31:06,922
rate options that would not

6024
03:31:06,922 --> 03:31:07,590
take effect until Colorado

6025
03:31:07,590 --> 03:31:09,659
Springs utilities has filed

6026
03:31:09,659 --> 03:31:10,259
with City Council.

6027
03:31:10,259 --> 03:31:12,262
>> And City Council has

6028
03:31:12,262 --> 03:31:14,662
approved a distributed energy

6029
03:31:16,670 --> 03:31:16,767
storage program, including

6030
03:31:16,767 --> 03:31:18,869
customer own battery rebate

6031
03:31:18,869 --> 03:31:19,937
levels program, budget

6032
03:31:19,937 --> 03:31:21,705
participation, capacity and

6033
03:31:21,705 --> 03:31:22,707
enrollment time line with an

6034
03:31:22,707 --> 03:31:23,375
availability date. No later

6035
03:31:23,375 --> 03:31:24,910
than the effective date of

6036
03:31:24,910 --> 03:31:27,910
these rate options. That is

6037
03:31:28,881 --> 03:31:29,881
what I would like to have put

6038
03:31:29,881 --> 03:31:30,448
into the rate case. Then in

6039
03:31:30,448 --> 03:31:32,448
SEPTEMBER 20 and for

6040
03:31:33,952 --> 03:31:35,321
SEPTEMBER. 22. If that if

6041
03:31:35,321 --> 03:31:38,321
that's what I'm trying to

6042
03:31:38,925 --> 03:31:39,592
accomplish, I'm asking you is

6043
03:31:39,592 --> 03:31:43,192
that the is that the proper

6044
03:31:43,296 --> 03:31:44,998
procedure? And do I need to

6045
03:31:44,998 --> 03:31:45,933
wait to do that until later in

6046
03:31:45,933 --> 03:31:49,403
the hearing? Yes, that is the

6047
03:31:49,403 --> 03:31:50,370
park's teacher

6048
03:31:50,370 --> 03:31:52,437
>> under the agenda, the

6049
03:31:52,606 --> 03:31:53,675
agenda for the rate case. We

6050
03:31:53,675 --> 03:31:54,476
first have city council

6051
03:31:54,476 --> 03:31:56,343
questions or comments and then

6052
03:31:56,343 --> 03:31:57,379
city Council potential for

6053
03:31:57,379 --> 03:31:59,480
amendments. Those tend to

6054
03:31:59,480 --> 03:32:00,649
merge is those conversations

6055
03:32:00,649 --> 03:32:01,250
happen? I think it would be

6056
03:32:01,250 --> 03:32:03,250
appropriate given that

6057
03:32:04,753 --> 03:32:05,487
explained your position to

6058
03:32:05,487 --> 03:32:06,121
request that the rest of

6059
03:32:06,121 --> 03:32:09,121
council weigh in on that

6060
03:32:09,592 --> 03:32:11,627
request. There if you receive

6061
03:32:11,627 --> 03:32:13,229
a majority support for that

6062
03:32:13,229 --> 03:32:13,830
request that would give us

6063
03:32:13,830 --> 03:32:15,899
direction to make those

6064
03:32:15,899 --> 03:32:17,700
changes prior to bring back if

6065
03:32:17,700 --> 03:32:18,435
you are not to receive

6066
03:32:18,435 --> 03:32:20,835
majority support, then we

6067
03:32:21,105 --> 03:32:21,772
would continue on with

6068
03:32:21,772 --> 03:32:23,772
additional questioning and

6069
03:32:23,808 --> 03:32:24,575
proceed forward utilities

6070
03:32:24,575 --> 03:32:25,342
requested proposal.

6071
03:32:25,342 --> 03:32:27,342
>> Kristen, for clarification,

6072
03:32:28,312 --> 03:32:31,820
dui. A thumbs up for what

6073
03:32:31,820 --> 03:32:31,449
she's asking or do you want

6074
03:32:31,449 --> 03:32:32,184
and vote?

6075
03:32:32,184 --> 03:32:33,352
>> So this would be the thumbs

6076
03:32:33,352 --> 03:32:36,155
up thumbs down because this is

6077
03:32:36,155 --> 03:32:37,890
not a procedural motion. This

6078
03:32:37,890 --> 03:32:39,489
is about direction for

6079
03:32:40,659 --> 03:32:41,927
utilities to

6080
03:32:41,927 --> 03:32:43,630
>> And MADAM PRESIDENT, I

6081
03:32:43,630 --> 03:32:46,333
could just ask the question of

6082
03:32:46,333 --> 03:32:47,533
you on our agenda for today.

6083
03:32:47,533 --> 03:32:49,269
You know, item number 5 is

6084
03:32:49,269 --> 03:32:51,269
city council questions.

6085
03:32:51,305 --> 03:32:52,572
Comments for utilities to

6086
03:32:52,572 --> 03:32:55,572
address. Yes, item number 6 is

6087
03:32:56,744 --> 03:32:57,412
a break for utilities. Prepare

6088
03:32:57,412 --> 03:32:58,579
those answers perhaps to a

6089
03:32:58,579 --> 03:33:01,579
question one of my colleagues

6090
03:33:01,916 --> 03:33:02,750
just asked item 7 is utilities

6091
03:33:02,750 --> 03:33:05,750
responds to the public and

6092
03:33:06,554 --> 03:33:07,289
city council questions and

6093
03:33:07,289 --> 03:33:09,291
then after that, we deliberate

6094
03:33:09,291 --> 03:33:10,158
and have a discussion of any

6095
03:33:10,158 --> 03:33:10,793
amendments. Yes, the proposed.

6096
03:33:10,793 --> 03:33:14,393
So I think we've kind of

6097
03:33:16,310 --> 03:33:17,901
jumped. To item 8 without you

6098
03:33:17,901 --> 03:33:18,868
know, completing 5 are due in

6099
03:33:18,868 --> 03:33:22,272
6 or 7. I would just ask that

6100
03:33:22,272 --> 03:33:24,174
we can to get back on. I think

6101
03:33:24,174 --> 03:33:24,541
it'll help us go in this

6102
03:33:24,541 --> 03:33:26,541
sequence.

6103
03:33:27,277 --> 03:33:28,312
>> I'm fine with following

6104
03:33:28,312 --> 03:33:29,146
process and procedure. People

6105
03:33:29,146 --> 03:33:31,382
understand know what I'm

6106
03:33:31,382 --> 03:33:33,184
trying to accomplish. I want

6107
03:33:33,184 --> 03:33:33,851
to do the best process

6108
03:33:33,851 --> 03:33:34,920
possible. But now my fellow

6109
03:33:34,920 --> 03:33:37,320
council members understand my

6110
03:33:38,991 --> 03:33:39,824
position. So I will wait to

6111
03:33:39,824 --> 03:33:42,995
introduce that and you let me

6112
03:33:42,995 --> 03:33:44,196
know when thank you.

6113
03:33:44,196 --> 03:33:44,897
>> So we are in 5 in

6114
03:33:44,897 --> 03:33:45,965
COUNCILMAN Donna said, I say

6115
03:33:45,965 --> 03:33:47,834
your name up earlier. So

6116
03:33:47,834 --> 03:33:49,834
would.

6117
03:33:54,408 --> 03:33:57,408
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. So

6118
03:33:59,413 --> 03:34:02,249
first of it's a it's It's

6119
03:34:02,249 --> 03:34:03,283
difficult to just to hear all

6120
03:34:03,283 --> 03:34:04,619
that. And rather sit down and

6121
03:34:04,619 --> 03:34:06,353
just have a discussion with

6122
03:34:06,353 --> 03:34:07,322
each of you, but we can't do

6123
03:34:07,322 --> 03:34:11,522
that. Kind of have to do some

6124
03:34:12,427 --> 03:34:16,270
reason and things like that. I

6125
03:34:21,671 --> 03:34:22,272
want you don't feel betrayed.

6126
03:34:22,272 --> 03:34:24,672
The board of utilities,

6127
03:34:26,142 --> 03:34:28,542
utilities itself. Works to

6128
03:34:29,679 --> 03:34:30,614
take care of all rate payers.

6129
03:34:30,614 --> 03:34:33,614
>> And has has actually been

6130
03:34:34,151 --> 03:34:37,540
discussed here is working now

6131
03:34:37,540 --> 03:34:37,689
to find a way to both recover

6132
03:34:37,689 --> 03:34:38,790
the full amounts for the

6133
03:34:38,790 --> 03:34:41,190
service that's provided to

6134
03:34:43,929 --> 03:34:45,831
solar users. And on to 2 to

6135
03:34:45,831 --> 03:34:48,831
recover that full amount and

6136
03:34:50,904 --> 03:34:51,570
knots impose a cost, really

6137
03:34:51,570 --> 03:34:55,170
try to keep your almost the

6138
03:34:55,374 --> 03:34:58,374
same. That will probably be

6139
03:35:02,516 --> 03:35:03,216
with the help of batteries. I

6140
03:35:03,216 --> 03:35:05,719
think the question won't get

6141
03:35:05,719 --> 03:35:06,621
into that short-term answers.

6142
03:35:06,621 --> 03:35:07,255
There is a talk about, this is

6143
03:35:07,255 --> 03:35:09,255
short-term thinking what

6144
03:35:10,825 --> 03:35:11,893
you're doing today. I would

6145
03:35:11,893 --> 03:35:14,362
say that the short-term piece

6146
03:35:14,362 --> 03:35:16,699
of this has been since the

6147
03:35:16,699 --> 03:35:18,990
2006 recovery structure was

6148
03:35:18,990 --> 03:35:21,990
put in place which never

6149
03:35:21,103 --> 03:35:21,870
recovered the cost for csu.

6150
03:35:21,870 --> 03:35:25,470
And as more and more citizens

6151
03:35:26,309 --> 03:35:27,900
have with good intentions.

6152
03:35:27,900 --> 03:35:29,212
Gone the solar, it has become

6153
03:35:29,212 --> 03:35:31,514
a bigger and bigger gap for

6154
03:35:31,514 --> 03:35:32,415
the utilities. And as our cfo

6155
03:35:32,415 --> 03:35:34,815
was pointing out, that's

6156
03:35:35,786 --> 03:35:36,487
really the crux of the problem

6157
03:35:36,487 --> 03:35:38,489
when we do recover. And when

6158
03:35:38,489 --> 03:35:39,390
utilities doesn't recover

6159
03:35:39,390 --> 03:35:42,390
enough from those that are

6160
03:35:42,893 --> 03:35:44,763
receiving the service. It

6161
03:35:44,763 --> 03:35:46,364
comes from someone he's

6162
03:35:46,364 --> 03:35:48,266
paying. And yesterday I

6163
03:35:48,266 --> 03:35:50,469
received an e-mail from a

6164
03:35:50,469 --> 03:35:53,439
woman is a regular rate payer.

6165
03:35:53,439 --> 03:35:56,439
She's terminally ill. She's a

6166
03:36:00,380 --> 03:36:01,800
senior citizen. And she's

6167
03:36:01,800 --> 03:36:01,814
asking you what you need you

6168
03:36:01,814 --> 03:36:02,483
to help us. And I forward that

6169
03:36:02,483 --> 03:36:05,485
up we're going to do things

6170
03:36:05,485 --> 03:36:07,421
that to help her. But there

6171
03:36:07,421 --> 03:36:08,122
are, you know, we have 210,220

6172
03:36:08,122 --> 03:36:10,522
1000 other customers that are

6173
03:36:12,827 --> 03:36:14,529
paying. Additional fees

6174
03:36:14,529 --> 03:36:15,960
because we don't we have

6175
03:36:15,960 --> 03:36:15,696
strict made is a rate

6176
03:36:15,696 --> 03:36:17,332
structure which doesn't

6177
03:36:17,332 --> 03:36:20,332
recover the full amount from

6178
03:36:21,170 --> 03:36:23,570
from the solar customers,

6179
03:36:23,839 --> 03:36:24,540
solar customers assist csu

6180
03:36:24,540 --> 03:36:27,540
during the hours when you're

6181
03:36:28,845 --> 03:36:29,879
generating electricity. And

6182
03:36:29,879 --> 03:36:30,647
that's been described. But

6183
03:36:30,647 --> 03:36:32,582
everything is brief here. You

6184
03:36:32,582 --> 03:36:34,351
can't get into that really to

6185
03:36:34,351 --> 03:36:37,951
details. But the fact is we

6186
03:36:39,356 --> 03:36:40,558
have to build a infrastructure

6187
03:36:40,558 --> 03:36:44,729
that will cover all of us when

6188
03:36:44,729 --> 03:36:45,463
no one's using solar. And the

6189
03:36:45,463 --> 03:36:48,566
feed, the costs for that is

6190
03:36:48,566 --> 03:36:52,166
what we're trying to fund and

6191
03:36:52,504 --> 03:36:53,538
is cfo pointed out? I think

6192
03:36:53,538 --> 03:36:55,938
22% of our infrastructure is

6193
03:36:57,543 --> 03:36:58,210
only used 4% of the time. I do

6194
03:36:58,210 --> 03:37:01,210
have a couple of questions

6195
03:37:03,716 --> 03:37:04,450
directly. I do want to point

6196
03:37:04,450 --> 03:37:08,650
this out to that. I don't have

6197
03:37:09,456 --> 03:37:10,524
solar. My bill. We don't have

6198
03:37:10,524 --> 03:37:12,727
a air-conditioning. My bills

6199
03:37:12,727 --> 03:37:15,727
about $50 a month or Maybe 45

6200
03:37:16,798 --> 03:37:19,668
almost half of that is is just

6201
03:37:19,668 --> 03:37:22,300
access fees with if I used no

6202
03:37:22,300 --> 03:37:23,500
electricity that month, I have

6203
03:37:23,500 --> 03:37:25,500
to pay about. 22 23. 24 $1.

6204
03:37:26,908 --> 03:37:27,709
Every month. So. There's been

6205
03:37:27,709 --> 03:37:31,309
a lull. You know, I think

6206
03:37:32,470 --> 03:37:32,916
there's been some. You know,

6207
03:37:32,916 --> 03:37:34,350
unhappiness are concerned

6208
03:37:34,350 --> 03:37:35,170
about that with solar. But

6209
03:37:35,170 --> 03:37:37,720
that happens to all of our

6210
03:37:37,720 --> 03:37:38,521
customers. There's an access

6211
03:37:38,521 --> 03:37:41,224
fee and you interested. We

6212
03:37:41,224 --> 03:37:42,259
have to correct me if I'm

6213
03:37:42,259 --> 03:37:42,927
wrong and I for every service

6214
03:37:42,927 --> 03:37:46,527
that we provide is kind of

6215
03:37:47,310 --> 03:37:49,768
like. Joining a club or

6216
03:37:49,768 --> 03:37:50,402
something like that. And you

6217
03:37:50,402 --> 03:37:51,102
pay x amount almost like

6218
03:37:51,102 --> 03:37:54,702
Netflix where you watch it or

6219
03:37:55,773 --> 03:37:56,475
not. And then when you do use

6220
03:37:56,475 --> 03:38:00,750
that service, then you pay a

6221
03:38:00,112 --> 03:38:04,216
little bit more. As it just a

6222
03:38:04,216 --> 03:38:06,616
simple analogy. So, Tristan,

6223
03:38:09,990 --> 03:38:12,126
if you could come up. You

6224
03:38:12,126 --> 03:38:12,826
know, and so either you can

6225
03:38:12,826 --> 03:38:13,493
answer these questions now or

6226
03:38:13,493 --> 03:38:16,300
after we take you give you

6227
03:38:16,300 --> 03:38:16,697
some time, too. Put your

6228
03:38:16,697 --> 03:38:19,970
thoughts together. You can

6229
03:38:23,271 --> 03:38:25,340
come back and serve them. The

6230
03:38:25,340 --> 03:38:26,541
point that, hey, some some of

6231
03:38:26,541 --> 03:38:27,208
our citizens have made. I

6232
03:38:27,208 --> 03:38:30,208
produce more energy. I used

6233
03:38:30,946 --> 03:38:33,849
every month. Why should why do

6234
03:38:33,849 --> 03:38:34,550
you need to have these kind of

6235
03:38:34,550 --> 03:38:35,184
race? Why do I wiser going to

6236
03:38:35,184 --> 03:38:38,784
be an increase for me? I

6237
03:38:39,880 --> 03:38:40,724
produce more than I use. Yeah.

6238
03:38:40,724 --> 03:38:41,424
And we definitely see that the

6239
03:38:41,424 --> 03:38:44,270
production happens in the in

6240
03:38:44,270 --> 03:38:45,610
the daytime hours.

6241
03:38:45,610 --> 03:38:47,864
>> For a lot of customers on

6242
03:38:47,864 --> 03:38:48,598
the way that they put those

6243
03:38:48,598 --> 03:38:49,332
panels and it MAY be more than

6244
03:38:49,332 --> 03:38:50,100
their total annual use. We sit

6245
03:38:50,100 --> 03:38:51,935
and we can see that because

6246
03:38:51,935 --> 03:38:53,404
many of the customers talked

6247
03:38:53,404 --> 03:38:54,710
about there. Energy credits

6248
03:38:54,710 --> 03:38:56,507
that have rolled over from

6249
03:38:56,507 --> 03:38:59,507
year to year. My question

6250
03:38:59,845 --> 03:39:03,445
would what is your when the

6251
03:39:03,849 --> 03:39:05,685
sun goes down? So I mentioned

6252
03:39:05,685 --> 03:39:07,886
before we have about 390

6253
03:39:07,886 --> 03:39:09,656
customers that have batteries

6254
03:39:09,656 --> 03:39:10,389
currently in the rest of those

6255
03:39:10,389 --> 03:39:11,560
customers don't. At some point

6256
03:39:11,560 --> 03:39:12,859
the sun goes down. The sun

6257
03:39:12,859 --> 03:39:13,559
hits an angle where it's not

6258
03:39:13,559 --> 03:39:16,559
producing energy. On on your

6259
03:39:18,732 --> 03:39:20,934
panels. Our estimation is that

6260
03:39:20,934 --> 03:39:22,603
during peak period of time

6261
03:39:22,603 --> 03:39:24,805
where we're building that 22%

6262
03:39:24,805 --> 03:39:25,372
of infrastructure, we're only

6263
03:39:25,372 --> 03:39:26,400
getting 30% at most a

6264
03:39:26,400 --> 03:39:28,440
generation from those solar

6265
03:39:29,611 --> 03:39:32,611
panels. The other part to

6266
03:39:32,614 --> 03:39:33,315
remember inside of that as we

6267
03:39:33,315 --> 03:39:33,982
typically see electrical use

6268
03:39:33,982 --> 03:39:36,982
by solar customers is about

6269
03:39:37,253 --> 03:39:38,553
30% higher than me. Non solar

6270
03:39:38,553 --> 03:39:39,221
customer, which makes sense

6271
03:39:39,221 --> 03:39:40,523
the been invested in solar

6272
03:39:40,523 --> 03:39:41,323
panels are trying to find

6273
03:39:41,323 --> 03:39:44,323
electric devices that they can

6274
03:39:45,261 --> 03:39:46,496
use on with those credits. And

6275
03:39:46,496 --> 03:39:47,397
so when you look at those 2,

6276
03:39:47,397 --> 03:39:48,310
they basically offset each

6277
03:39:48,310 --> 03:39:50,968
other and what we are now

6278
03:39:50,968 --> 03:39:52,102
building during the the peak

6279
03:39:52,102 --> 03:39:54,205
period of time is exactly the

6280
03:39:54,205 --> 03:39:54,905
same amount of transformers

6281
03:39:54,905 --> 03:39:58,505
that are needed if they have

6282
03:39:58,509 --> 03:39:59,911
the panels or not. We have to

6283
03:39:59,911 --> 03:40:00,545
be able to still provide the

6284
03:40:00,545 --> 03:40:02,130
energy during that 5 to 9

6285
03:40:02,130 --> 03:40:06,213
period of time. And we have to

6286
03:40:06,217 --> 03:40:07,319
build just as much and when

6287
03:40:07,319 --> 03:40:08,754
you look at what they're

6288
03:40:08,754 --> 03:40:09,422
producing in the daytime,

6289
03:40:09,422 --> 03:40:11,723
that's that's great. That's

6290
03:40:11,723 --> 03:40:13,260
the energy that comes in. We

6291
03:40:13,260 --> 03:40:14,460
credit for that. But the rate

6292
03:40:14,460 --> 03:40:16,662
structure right now applies

6293
03:40:16,662 --> 03:40:17,597
those credits against a time

6294
03:40:17,597 --> 03:40:18,264
where there's not energy

6295
03:40:18,264 --> 03:40:18,965
that's being produced and I

6296
03:40:18,965 --> 03:40:22,565
still need to build the same

6297
03:40:23,300 --> 03:40:25,300
amount of infrastructure.

6298
03:40:26,640 --> 03:40:28,640
Thank you. Another

6299
03:40:29,677 --> 03:40:30,678
>> it was pointed out by one

6300
03:40:30,678 --> 03:40:32,678
this citizens installations

6301
03:40:36,184 --> 03:40:38,353
have declined recently. We

6302
03:40:38,353 --> 03:40:41,353
haven't passed this is there

6303
03:40:42,158 --> 03:40:42,792
another reason the in your

6304
03:40:42,792 --> 03:40:44,359
view have declined? And I

6305
03:40:44,359 --> 03:40:46,196
believe the same customer

6306
03:40:46,196 --> 03:40:46,862
mentioned the federal And at

6307
03:40:46,862 --> 03:40:47,563
the end of this year, there

6308
03:40:47,563 --> 03:40:49,963
were federal incentives that

6309
03:40:49,999 --> 03:40:51,201
have rolled off incentives

6310
03:40:51,201 --> 03:40:53,303
over time have changed. When

6311
03:40:53,303 --> 03:40:53,970
we first started the program

6312
03:40:53,970 --> 03:40:54,971
we hadn't sent some of our

6313
03:40:54,971 --> 03:40:55,906
customers that MAY have

6314
03:40:55,906 --> 03:40:58,306
mentioned some of those

6315
03:40:59,710 --> 03:41:00,444
earlier incident installations

6316
03:41:00,444 --> 03:41:02,713
receive significant rebates. I

6317
03:41:02,713 --> 03:41:03,948
think you heard one customer

6318
03:41:03,948 --> 03:41:05,316
say it was a few $100 by the

6319
03:41:05,316 --> 03:41:07,652
time it was reaching 2020 by

6320
03:41:07,652 --> 03:41:10,520
2021, we have removed the

6321
03:41:10,221 --> 03:41:10,889
rebate altogether based on

6322
03:41:10,889 --> 03:41:13,289
what we're seeing happening

6323
03:41:14,226 --> 03:41:15,294
with the cost shift for those

6324
03:41:15,294 --> 03:41:17,294
early customers around 2006,

6325
03:41:17,429 --> 03:41:18,300
it could have been thousands

6326
03:41:18,300 --> 03:41:18,631
to tens of thousands of

6327
03:41:18,631 --> 03:41:19,299
dollars that they were

6328
03:41:19,299 --> 03:41:22,299
received in rebates at that

6329
03:41:26,339 --> 03:41:27,841
point in time. We the csu if

6330
03:41:27,841 --> 03:41:30,777
they identify the costs are

6331
03:41:30,777 --> 03:41:32,914
being shift from this group to

6332
03:41:32,914 --> 03:41:35,416
that group. Do we try to

6333
03:41:35,416 --> 03:41:38,319
address across all groups and

6334
03:41:38,319 --> 03:41:39,254
have the group pay for that,

6335
03:41:39,254 --> 03:41:43,250
the expense or the cost to csu

6336
03:41:43,250 --> 03:41:45,600
to provide a service to them.

6337
03:41:45,600 --> 03:41:46,620
If we can see from a

6338
03:41:46,620 --> 03:41:47,329
individual level, there's a

6339
03:41:47,329 --> 03:41:48,665
group of customers than yes,

6340
03:41:48,665 --> 03:41:49,798
and that's why we have

6341
03:41:49,798 --> 03:41:50,366
different rate structures.

6342
03:41:50,366 --> 03:41:51,660
That's why industrial

6343
03:41:51,660 --> 03:41:53,466
customers have demand rates.

6344
03:41:54,137 --> 03:41:55,172
They have 4.

6345
03:41:55,172 --> 03:41:58,142
>> As long as almost as long

6346
03:41:58,142 --> 03:41:58,842
as we've been in existence,

6347
03:41:58,842 --> 03:41:59,542
industrial customers have had

6348
03:41:59,542 --> 03:42:01,612
demand rates because they use

6349
03:42:01,612 --> 03:42:02,646
the system differently.

6350
03:42:02,646 --> 03:42:03,714
>> It's really part of the

6351
03:42:03,714 --> 03:42:04,649
reason that we have our energy

6352
03:42:04,649 --> 03:42:07,584
wise rates that went into

6353
03:42:07,584 --> 03:42:10,584
effect last year. There's a

6354
03:42:10,821 --> 03:42:12,991
different price structure from

6355
03:42:12,991 --> 03:42:14,250
05:00pm to 09:00pm we had to

6356
03:42:14,250 --> 03:42:14,993
and utilities board last week,

6357
03:42:14,993 --> 03:42:15,627
some information on the

6358
03:42:15,627 --> 03:42:17,997
market. We saw the price

6359
03:42:17,997 --> 03:42:19,640
difference that's going on

6360
03:42:19,640 --> 03:42:20,132
when we're looking at the

6361
03:42:20,132 --> 03:42:20,733
market prices during that 5 to

6362
03:42:20,733 --> 03:42:23,133
9 not just in Colorado

6363
03:42:23,169 --> 03:42:25,569
Springs, but across that

6364
03:42:26,139 --> 03:42:27,474
entire Southwest Power pool

6365
03:42:27,474 --> 03:42:28,274
footprint costs and 5 from 5

6366
03:42:28,274 --> 03:42:30,674
to 9 are significantly more.

6367
03:42:30,878 --> 03:42:32,212
That's a trend within the last

6368
03:42:32,212 --> 03:42:35,212
5 to 10 years. That really has

6369
03:42:35,282 --> 03:42:36,160
a brought forward. So energy

6370
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:38,285
wise rates were trying to send

6371
03:42:38,285 --> 03:42:39,219
that pricing on there. If

6372
03:42:39,219 --> 03:42:41,222
you're a customer that c

6373
03:42:41,222 --> 03:42:42,523
versus a customer that doesn't

6374
03:42:42,523 --> 03:42:43,358
have any There's caution if

6375
03:42:43,358 --> 03:42:44,192
that was happening there,

6376
03:42:44,192 --> 03:42:46,260
energy wise rates for the rest

6377
03:42:46,260 --> 03:42:47,162
of our customers was a way for

6378
03:42:47,162 --> 03:42:47,896
us to address caution that was

6379
03:42:47,896 --> 03:42:50,896
happening amongst all of those

6380
03:42:53,969 --> 03:42:54,903
customers. Do they do to rates

6381
03:42:54,903 --> 03:42:56,206
which csu is recommended are

6382
03:42:56,206 --> 03:42:59,206
they being done to discourage?

6383
03:43:00,760 --> 03:43:01,110
>> Solar?

6384
03:43:01,110 --> 03:43:03,847
>> Or is it to accurately

6385
03:43:03,847 --> 03:43:04,280
reflect the cost to provide

6386
03:43:04,280 --> 03:43:04,982
the service?

6387
03:43:04,982 --> 03:43:07,982
>> It's all about making sure

6388
03:43:08,510 --> 03:43:09,200
that we are collecting the

6389
03:43:09,200 --> 03:43:11,210
cost of service in the areas

6390
03:43:11,210 --> 03:43:11,723
that as we do, those cost

6391
03:43:11,723 --> 03:43:13,891
service study. If we are able

6392
03:43:13,891 --> 03:43:14,859
to see that there's costs

6393
03:43:14,859 --> 03:43:15,660
specifically attributable to

6394
03:43:15,660 --> 03:43:16,628
any group of customers. We are

6395
03:43:16,628 --> 03:43:20,228
trying to set our rates and

6396
03:43:20,932 --> 03:43:21,667
that way. It's not perfect.

6397
03:43:21,667 --> 03:43:24,670
There's assumptions and things

6398
03:43:24,690 --> 03:43:25,271
that go into all of those

6399
03:43:25,271 --> 03:43:26,139
numbers. But once we're

6400
03:43:26,139 --> 03:43:27,720
getting into millions of

6401
03:43:27,720 --> 03:43:28,740
dollars, we can see those

6402
03:43:28,740 --> 03:43:28,808
things and we try to address

6403
03:43:28,808 --> 03:43:32,245
them through the rates that we

6404
03:43:32,245 --> 03:43:33,113
put forward for customers.

6405
03:43:33,113 --> 03:43:36,113
>> I think I understand what

6406
03:43:36,450 --> 03:43:39,450
you are saying before we.

6407
03:43:39,753 --> 03:43:43,353
>> Go down the road looking at

6408
03:43:44,580 --> 03:43:45,590
rebate plans for.

6409
03:43:45,590 --> 03:43:46,928
>> Residential batteries,

6410
03:43:46,928 --> 03:43:50,528
which I believe very much what

6411
03:43:51,366 --> 03:43:53,769
csu wants to do. We kind of

6412
03:43:53,769 --> 03:43:54,503
have to plug the hole in the

6413
03:43:54,503 --> 03:43:56,205
ship were taking on water. Now

6414
03:43:56,205 --> 03:43:57,106
we're losing money. Every

6415
03:43:57,106 --> 03:44:00,106
really with every new customer

6416
03:44:00,976 --> 03:44:04,576
that comes on for solar. And

6417
03:44:05,148 --> 03:44:08,850
so. What we want to do, what

6418
03:44:08,850 --> 03:44:11,685
you're asking to do is let's

6419
03:44:12,856 --> 03:44:13,523
address.

6420
03:44:13,523 --> 03:44:15,923
>> price, the rate recovery

6421
03:44:16,293 --> 03:44:19,330
now make it even and we

6422
03:44:19,330 --> 03:44:20,465
simultaneously you're doing it

6423
03:44:20,465 --> 03:44:23,235
now working towards a battery

6424
03:44:23,235 --> 03:44:25,635
program to then help.

6425
03:44:27,706 --> 03:44:30,106
>> solar customers. Move over

6426
03:44:30,109 --> 03:44:31,644
to basically option to avoid

6427
03:44:31,644 --> 03:44:32,378
all the the time of day rates.

6428
03:44:32,378 --> 03:44:35,749
Can you explain it better than

6429
03:44:35,749 --> 03:44:36,849
I just did?

6430
03:44:36,849 --> 03:44:38,284
>> And so again, as we look at

6431
03:44:38,284 --> 03:44:38,986
the rate structure, we see the

6432
03:44:38,986 --> 03:44:41,986
4 and a half million dollars

6433
03:44:42,156 --> 03:44:43,900
that were not recovering. If

6434
03:44:43,900 --> 03:44:45,258
we can that be able to get

6435
03:44:45,258 --> 03:44:47,940
through rate structure

6436
03:44:47,940 --> 03:44:48,663
stabilized, it enables us to

6437
03:44:48,663 --> 03:44:49,330
go in really look and see from

6438
03:44:49,330 --> 03:44:52,330
a cost standpoint. What are

6439
03:44:52,800 --> 03:44:54,302
the benefits then 2 battery on

6440
03:44:54,302 --> 03:44:55,237
that system? What we did from

6441
03:44:55,237 --> 03:44:55,971
a peak infrastructure

6442
03:44:55,971 --> 03:44:58,600
standpoint by having batteries

6443
03:44:58,600 --> 03:44:58,676
as a part of that, if we have

6444
03:44:58,676 --> 03:45:01,676
customers that want to own

6445
03:45:01,844 --> 03:45:02,578
their own battery and

6446
03:45:02,578 --> 03:45:03,245
participate in that, we should

6447
03:45:03,245 --> 03:45:03,912
look at that like we do our

6448
03:45:03,912 --> 03:45:05,648
thermostat program where if

6449
03:45:05,648 --> 03:45:08,648
you're willing to give control

6450
03:45:08,819 --> 03:45:09,519
of that battery so that we can

6451
03:45:09,519 --> 03:45:12,355
use it during most expensive

6452
03:45:12,355 --> 03:45:15,392
time for us. We should be able

6453
03:45:15,392 --> 03:45:16,493
to dollars that go back to

6454
03:45:16,493 --> 03:45:18,629
that. But and that and this is

6455
03:45:18,629 --> 03:45:21,629
specific a a customer owning

6456
03:45:21,632 --> 03:45:22,400
their own battery before we

6457
03:45:22,400 --> 03:45:23,134
can get to those rebate

6458
03:45:23,134 --> 03:45:25,200
dollars. If I'm starting 4 and

6459
03:45:25,200 --> 03:45:26,705
a half million dollars upside

6460
03:45:26,705 --> 03:45:27,438
down, I cannot get a map that

6461
03:45:27,438 --> 03:45:31,100
says we should do that type of

6462
03:45:31,100 --> 03:45:31,777
a program. Other programs that

6463
03:45:31,777 --> 03:45:33,378
we do and continue to look at

6464
03:45:33,378 --> 03:45:34,800
our rewards thermostat program

6465
03:45:34,800 --> 03:45:37,680
is one that we will continue

6466
03:45:38,118 --> 03:45:39,519
to look at in the market this

6467
03:45:39,519 --> 03:45:40,186
year. We customers all of you

6468
03:45:40,186 --> 03:45:42,586
that are participating that

6469
03:45:42,923 --> 03:45:43,991
right now. Thank you. I mean,

6470
03:45:43,991 --> 03:45:46,794
when we see from 5 to 9, we

6471
03:45:46,794 --> 03:45:47,828
call on the thermostat switch

6472
03:45:47,828 --> 03:45:48,595
automatically through the

6473
03:45:48,595 --> 03:45:50,330
Internet goes in with a touch

6474
03:45:50,330 --> 03:45:51,465
of a button. Virtual power

6475
03:45:51,465 --> 03:45:54,201
plants aisle. We push a button

6476
03:45:54,201 --> 03:45:56,304
and we see about 20 megawatts

6477
03:45:56,304 --> 03:45:58,207
worth of the same thing. That

6478
03:45:58,207 --> 03:45:59,307
would be generation that comes

6479
03:45:59,307 --> 03:46:00,800
from the customers said we can

6480
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:02,408
turn your thermostat from 70

6481
03:46:02,511 --> 03:46:04,911
degrees to 75 degrees. That's

6482
03:46:05,581 --> 03:46:06,648
the program that they sign up

6483
03:46:06,648 --> 03:46:07,316
There's value that comes from

6484
03:46:07,316 --> 03:46:09,652
that. We should probably be

6485
03:46:09,652 --> 03:46:10,352
looking at that with the

6486
03:46:10,352 --> 03:46:12,555
market. Now to unseen is the

6487
03:46:12,555 --> 03:46:13,489
$25 a year credit that we give

6488
03:46:13,489 --> 03:46:14,190
the right level. We need to go

6489
03:46:14,190 --> 03:46:15,292
back and look at that and see

6490
03:46:15,292 --> 03:46:17,692
if there are additional

6491
03:46:19,162 --> 03:46:20,497
dollars at the same time as we

6492
03:46:20,497 --> 03:46:22,232
look what rebates should be

6493
03:46:22,232 --> 03:46:23,467
per somebody that owns their

6494
03:46:23,467 --> 03:46:24,335
own battery, that can perform

6495
03:46:24,335 --> 03:46:26,671
the same type of a function,

6496
03:46:26,671 --> 03:46:27,405
provides instantaneous power.

6497
03:46:27,405 --> 03:46:30,800
And the 3rd part that we would

6498
03:46:30,800 --> 03:46:32,510
want to look at it is a

6499
03:46:32,510 --> 03:46:33,645
third-party that with own and

6500
03:46:33,645 --> 03:46:34,880
operate batteries that we

6501
03:46:34,880 --> 03:46:36,648
would have the ability to have

6502
03:46:36,648 --> 03:46:39,480
a purchase power agreement

6503
03:46:39,551 --> 03:46:41,454
from that takes excess of an

6504
03:46:41,454 --> 03:46:42,588
oversize battery and gives it

6505
03:46:42,588 --> 03:46:45,292
opportunity for us to use that

6506
03:46:45,292 --> 03:46:45,992
just like we do with our 100

6507
03:46:45,992 --> 03:46:48,610
megawatt battery that sounded

6508
03:46:48,610 --> 03:46:50,296
at Jackson forward. We're

6509
03:46:50,296 --> 03:46:52,650
interested in all of those

6510
03:46:52,650 --> 03:46:54,268
programs. But starting from a

6511
03:46:54,268 --> 03:46:55,269
place of we've got to our rate

6512
03:46:55,269 --> 03:46:57,438
structure where it needs to be

6513
03:46:57,438 --> 03:46:58,139
and increasing with each

6514
03:46:58,139 --> 03:47:00,542
customer that comes on to an

6515
03:47:00,542 --> 03:47:01,676
inaccurate rate structure puts

6516
03:47:01,676 --> 03:47:02,376
us at a place where we can do

6517
03:47:02,376 --> 03:47:04,450
all of those evaluations and

6518
03:47:04,450 --> 03:47:05,848
have information out. We're

6519
03:47:05,848 --> 03:47:06,948
not looking to drag our feet

6520
03:47:06,948 --> 03:47:10,548
on this. We want line the

6521
03:47:10,652 --> 03:47:11,554
timing of that to APRIL.

6522
03:47:11,554 --> 03:47:13,156
First, when we say that the

6523
03:47:13,156 --> 03:47:15,225
new rates are coming out for

6524
03:47:15,225 --> 03:47:15,925
customers, new customers that

6525
03:47:15,925 --> 03:47:18,925
experience the option. One an

6526
03:47:20,730 --> 03:47:21,798
option to rates. We heard

6527
03:47:21,798 --> 03:47:23,133
customers on and wanting to

6528
03:47:23,133 --> 03:47:23,834
see about the investment they

6529
03:47:23,834 --> 03:47:26,234
have. That's the grandfather

6530
03:47:27,605 --> 03:47:29,390
and gives customers that have

6531
03:47:29,390 --> 03:47:29,741
currently made this 5 years to

6532
03:47:29,741 --> 03:47:31,108
figure out what's going to be

6533
03:47:31,108 --> 03:47:32,944
the right solution with those

6534
03:47:32,944 --> 03:47:33,644
things that will bring forward

6535
03:47:33,644 --> 03:47:36,648
in APRIL to be able to choose

6536
03:47:36,648 --> 03:47:37,382
the path of which of those

6537
03:47:37,382 --> 03:47:40,719
options might be the ones that

6538
03:47:40,719 --> 03:47:41,820
helped them the most.

6539
03:47:41,820 --> 03:47:42,755
>> In all, there's a couple

6540
03:47:42,755 --> 03:47:43,722
other council members that

6541
03:47:43,722 --> 03:47:44,356
want to ask you questions. So

6542
03:47:44,356 --> 03:47:45,357
I'm I'm gonna stop there.

6543
03:47:45,357 --> 03:47:47,357
Thank you.

6544
03:47:48,795 --> 03:47:50,795
>> COUNCILMAN Wine lover.

6545
03:47:55,503 --> 03:47:56,470
Okay. Let me first say that.

6546
03:47:56,470 --> 03:47:58,472
Thanks for the effort. I mean,

6547
03:47:58,472 --> 03:48:01,472
I think we're getting better

6548
03:48:02,243 --> 03:48:02,944
and better. But as I dive more

6549
03:48:02,944 --> 03:48:03,611
and more of this, I get more

6550
03:48:03,611 --> 03:48:06,611
caught the weeds gets more

6551
03:48:07,150 --> 03:48:07,749
confusing all the time. So.

6552
03:48:07,749 --> 03:48:10,749
Hopefully you can follow along

6553
03:48:11,854 --> 03:48:12,554
with me here. So it. What

6554
03:48:12,554 --> 03:48:15,554
we're basically looking at as

6555
03:48:16,792 --> 03:48:19,792
we changed. The rate structure

6556
03:48:20,530 --> 03:48:21,264
for non solar customers with

6557
03:48:21,264 --> 03:48:23,766
energy lives because we wanted

6558
03:48:23,766 --> 03:48:24,735
to address the peak season

6559
03:48:24,735 --> 03:48:28,935
season. And so we did that now

6560
03:48:29,907 --> 03:48:32,907
with that. They also pay.

6561
03:48:35,146 --> 03:48:37,146
>> a connection fee

6562
03:48:38,500 --> 03:48:40,450
>> 70 to $0.69 per day. That's

6563
03:48:43,880 --> 03:48:44,956
correct. And and so which is

6564
03:48:44,956 --> 03:48:47,359
roughly $22 a month. So so all

6565
03:48:47,359 --> 03:48:50,359
non solar customers are paying

6566
03:48:52,640 --> 03:48:53,990
to be connected to the grid.

6567
03:48:53,990 --> 03:48:53,900
>> MR. Lane, where if I can

6568
03:48:53,900 --> 03:48:55,935
explain on that specific

6569
03:48:55,935 --> 03:48:57,904
charge access and facility

6570
03:48:57,904 --> 03:48:59,173
charge per day, that is

6571
03:48:59,173 --> 03:49:02,773
currently in a race this tight

6572
03:49:03,430 --> 03:49:04,111
specifically back to customer

6573
03:49:04,111 --> 03:49:05,279
related costs. So and every

6574
03:49:05,279 --> 03:49:06,213
customer that is connected to

6575
03:49:06,213 --> 03:49:08,817
our system has a every

6576
03:49:08,817 --> 03:49:09,584
customer that's connected to

6577
03:49:09,584 --> 03:49:11,984
our system billing software

6578
03:49:13,154 --> 03:49:13,821
that we use to send out the

6579
03:49:13,821 --> 03:49:14,523
bills to customers. We have

6580
03:49:14,523 --> 03:49:17,292
staff that takes care of all

6581
03:49:17,292 --> 03:49:19,428
of those things. We have

6582
03:49:19,428 --> 03:49:20,562
payment center. We have those

6583
03:49:20,562 --> 03:49:21,497
are all rather fixed costs

6584
03:49:21,497 --> 03:49:22,198
that that we can say per

6585
03:49:22,198 --> 03:49:24,567
customer. Here's how much you

6586
03:49:24,567 --> 03:49:25,868
should pay for those things.

6587
03:49:25,868 --> 03:49:27,704
That's what we're uncovering

6588
03:49:27,704 --> 03:49:30,704
with the facility charge per

6589
03:49:31,410 --> 03:49:31,709
day. That's that line item.

6590
03:49:31,709 --> 03:49:34,211
>> So I agree with that. I

6591
03:49:34,211 --> 03:49:37,211
think that's great. But under

6592
03:49:38,150 --> 03:49:41,150
the option, one. Deal, what

6593
03:49:41,180 --> 03:49:41,753
you're proposing is that

6594
03:49:41,753 --> 03:49:44,153
>> solar customers will charge

6595
03:49:47,225 --> 03:49:49,225
charge that. 0.7, 6, $0.9, a

6596
03:49:50,829 --> 03:49:51,163
day. But you know, our $22 a

6597
03:49:51,163 --> 03:49:51,831
month.

6598
03:49:51,831 --> 03:49:54,231
>> Plus, an additional one

6599
03:49:54,867 --> 03:49:55,835
dollar a day.

6600
03:49:55,835 --> 03:49:56,569
>> Which you're determining as

6601
03:49:56,569 --> 03:49:58,505
the grid access charge. That's

6602
03:49:58,505 --> 03:50:01,505
right. Okay. And you're doing

6603
03:50:02,709 --> 03:50:03,443
this because? Infrastructure

6604
03:50:03,443 --> 03:50:06,443
generally is paid for based

6605
03:50:06,847 --> 03:50:07,648
off of kilowatt hours that

6606
03:50:07,648 --> 03:50:10,648
these non solar customers are

6607
03:50:11,119 --> 03:50:11,786
all they see more power. So

6608
03:50:11,786 --> 03:50:14,723
they're going to be paying

6609
03:50:14,723 --> 03:50:15,823
more, which helps cover

6610
03:50:15,823 --> 03:50:17,726
infrastructure costs.

6611
03:50:17,726 --> 03:50:18,460
>> It's really if everything

6612
03:50:18,460 --> 03:50:19,160
worked on the kilowatt hour

6613
03:50:19,160 --> 03:50:21,397
basis and we didn't have that

6614
03:50:21,397 --> 03:50:23,331
exchange of credit credits

6615
03:50:23,331 --> 03:50:25,501
from daytime generation to

6616
03:50:25,501 --> 03:50:26,235
evening. Then the math would

6617
03:50:26,235 --> 03:50:28,805
still work out on per kilowatt

6618
03:50:28,805 --> 03:50:29,706
hour basis because we have

6619
03:50:29,706 --> 03:50:31,508
that application of credits

6620
03:50:31,508 --> 03:50:33,811
from a different period of

6621
03:50:33,811 --> 03:50:35,545
time. That's what causes the

6622
03:50:35,545 --> 03:50:36,881
problem inside of the so yes,

6623
03:50:36,881 --> 03:50:39,517
yes, sir, right. And that's

6624
03:50:39,517 --> 03:50:40,685
the crux of the problem. One

6625
03:50:40,685 --> 03:50:41,352
Dollar Day is to be able to

6626
03:50:41,352 --> 03:50:44,352
cover for the connection at

6627
03:50:45,189 --> 03:50:47,359
that peak time. And so it's

6628
03:50:47,359 --> 03:50:48,260
trying to be fair because

6629
03:50:48,260 --> 03:50:48,827
they're not using as much

6630
03:50:48,827 --> 03:50:52,197
cook. But wait a second. I

6631
03:50:52,197 --> 03:50:52,931
might not necessarily be true.

6632
03:50:52,931 --> 03:50:55,931
>> solar customer, if I have 4

6633
03:50:58,370 --> 03:51:00,730
panels. So 5, 4, panels, I'm

6634
03:51:00,730 --> 03:51:02,410
going to be pain. Kilowatt

6635
03:51:02,410 --> 03:51:04,611
hours during peak hours at a

6636
03:51:04,611 --> 03:51:07,581
peak rate. So I will be paying

6637
03:51:07,581 --> 03:51:08,715
for infrastructure through my

6638
03:51:08,715 --> 03:51:10,651
kilowatt hours and I won't be

6639
03:51:10,651 --> 03:51:11,284
pay. I won't be get off set

6640
03:51:11,284 --> 03:51:14,880
because I won't have my 4

6641
03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:14,788
panels actually working. But

6642
03:51:14,788 --> 03:51:17,125
I'm going to have to dish and

6643
03:51:17,125 --> 03:51:19,394
onto that have to pay a one

6644
03:51:19,394 --> 03:51:21,794
dollar surcharge. Yes, again,

6645
03:51:21,930 --> 03:51:22,231
as we explained option number

6646
03:51:22,231 --> 03:51:23,998
one.

6647
03:51:23,998 --> 03:51:26,998
>> And does have great access

6648
03:51:27,690 --> 03:51:28,971
fee if we took that grid

6649
03:51:28,971 --> 03:51:30,239
access the way changing to the

6650
03:51:30,239 --> 03:51:31,907
energy wise rates takes care.

6651
03:51:31,907 --> 03:51:33,275
Part of that 4 and a half

6652
03:51:33,275 --> 03:51:34,177
million dollars. So but you by

6653
03:51:34,177 --> 03:51:34,911
having those 4 panels and pain

6654
03:51:34,911 --> 03:51:36,680
for some of the energy and the

6655
03:51:36,680 --> 03:51:37,347
on peak period of time. And

6656
03:51:37,347 --> 03:51:39,383
when we look at all of the

6657
03:51:39,383 --> 03:51:40,840
customers into the analysis

6658
03:51:40,840 --> 03:51:43,840
takes care of about 1 million

6659
03:51:43,387 --> 03:51:44,870
dollars of the 4 and a half

6660
03:51:44,870 --> 03:51:45,355
million dollars. We don't get

6661
03:51:45,355 --> 03:51:46,900
all the way there with just

6662
03:51:46,900 --> 03:51:48,490
energy charge. There's still 3

6663
03:51:49,361 --> 03:51:50,395
and a half million dollars

6664
03:51:50,395 --> 03:51:51,195
left of that peak grid

6665
03:51:51,195 --> 03:51:51,896
infrastructure that serves net

6666
03:51:51,896 --> 03:51:54,296
metering customers that's not

6667
03:51:56,635 --> 03:51:57,836
covered. I can understand the

6668
03:51:57,836 --> 03:52:00,306
one dollar charge for someone

6669
03:52:00,306 --> 03:52:02,306
that has 50 Powell's.

6670
03:52:02,341 --> 03:52:04,176
>> And needs to have

6671
03:52:04,176 --> 03:52:05,312
reliability and other things

6672
03:52:05,312 --> 03:52:06,780
because maybe maybe the 50

6673
03:52:06,780 --> 03:52:07,447
pounds go down right person

6674
03:52:07,447 --> 03:52:08,114
like that. They're going to

6675
03:52:08,114 --> 03:52:10,817
have to lean on csu to keep

6676
03:52:10,817 --> 03:52:12,319
things go on like that's a

6677
03:52:12,319 --> 03:52:15,319
good insurance policy in my

6678
03:52:16,256 --> 03:52:17,458
mind for a 50 pound home. But

6679
03:52:17,458 --> 03:52:20,458
Warren having troubles is with

6680
03:52:20,795 --> 03:52:21,496
the small solar panel user. So

6681
03:52:21,496 --> 03:52:24,496
someone has a smaller system

6682
03:52:26,201 --> 03:52:27,735
on a smaller house. They're

6683
03:52:27,735 --> 03:52:28,369
not able offset their costs so

6684
03:52:28,369 --> 03:52:31,340
that they pretty much are

6685
03:52:31,340 --> 03:52:32,174
going to be energy wise. They

6686
03:52:32,174 --> 03:52:32,874
just have this little bit of

6687
03:52:32,874 --> 03:52:35,344
solar, the kind of helps out

6688
03:52:35,344 --> 03:52:36,450
here and there. And then in

6689
03:52:36,450 --> 03:52:38,445
addition, they're gonna have

6690
03:52:39,448 --> 03:52:40,149
to pay a one dollar surcharge.

6691
03:52:40,149 --> 03:52:41,418
So that's where I'm starting

6692
03:52:41,418 --> 03:52:42,685
to have problems because you

6693
03:52:42,685 --> 03:52:45,356
are you kind of double a

6694
03:52:45,356 --> 03:52:46,656
little bit because you are

6695
03:52:46,656 --> 03:52:47,390
getting them for kilowatt

6696
03:52:47,390 --> 03:52:49,493
hours that they're going to

6697
03:52:49,493 --> 03:52:50,260
use because they're not going

6698
03:52:50,260 --> 03:52:51,963
to be able to offset. Get

6699
03:52:51,963 --> 03:52:54,963
credits or anything like that.

6700
03:52:56,670 --> 03:52:56,767
They're going to have they're

6701
03:52:56,767 --> 03:52:57,502
going the smaller solar panel

6702
03:52:57,502 --> 03:53:00,272
users going to have challenges

6703
03:53:00,272 --> 03:53:01,339
with that option.

6704
03:53:01,339 --> 03:53:02,374
>> And that's why we say so if

6705
03:53:02,374 --> 03:53:04,420
it's a dollar a day, 30 days

6706
03:53:04,420 --> 03:53:06,450
in the month, it's $30. You

6707
03:53:06,450 --> 03:53:07,613
know, that's the the

6708
03:53:07,613 --> 03:53:09,749
additional charge. But again,

6709
03:53:09,749 --> 03:53:11,884
that relates back to person

6710
03:53:11,884 --> 03:53:12,586
that has smaller amount of

6711
03:53:12,586 --> 03:53:14,254
panels that are put in place

6712
03:53:14,254 --> 03:53:17,224
is still connected to the

6713
03:53:17,224 --> 03:53:18,191
utility system. We need a

6714
03:53:18,191 --> 03:53:20,961
mechanism that can cover the

6715
03:53:20,961 --> 03:53:22,229
demand related costs that 22%

6716
03:53:22,229 --> 03:53:24,165
of infrastructure is not being

6717
03:53:24,165 --> 03:53:25,232
delivered. Is the kilowatt

6718
03:53:25,232 --> 03:53:26,340
hour charge because they're

6719
03:53:26,340 --> 03:53:29,203
not they're not able to offset

6720
03:53:29,203 --> 03:53:30,171
their charges. So their pain.

6721
03:53:30,171 --> 03:53:31,173
>> We're not getting all about

6722
03:53:31,173 --> 03:53:32,340
through the kilowatt hour.

6723
03:53:32,340 --> 03:53:32,941
Charges is what I'm saying.

6724
03:53:32,941 --> 03:53:35,941
But with the non solar

6725
03:53:36,679 --> 03:53:37,846
customers, you are. Yes,

6726
03:53:37,846 --> 03:53:38,580
because they are not

6727
03:53:38,580 --> 03:53:39,248
exchanging credits made during

6728
03:53:39,248 --> 03:53:40,783
the day during the evening.

6729
03:53:40,783 --> 03:53:42,619
Course, it gets back to my

6730
03:53:42,619 --> 03:53:44,687
point. What if you have a

6731
03:53:44,687 --> 03:53:45,355
customer that just can't build

6732
03:53:45,355 --> 03:53:47,523
up credits because they're

6733
03:53:47,523 --> 03:53:49,526
they have a small system. If

6734
03:53:49,526 --> 03:53:50,527
they have a small system, a

6735
03:53:50,527 --> 03:53:51,629
small house or whatever, and

6736
03:53:51,629 --> 03:53:52,229
they can offset their costs

6737
03:53:52,229 --> 03:53:53,997
and they don't get any

6738
03:53:53,997 --> 03:53:55,997
credits.

6739
03:53:57,100 --> 03:53:57,368
>> They're not really getting

6740
03:53:57,368 --> 03:53:58,360
the heat.

6741
03:53:58,360 --> 03:54:00,938
>> You see there's like the

6742
03:54:00,938 --> 03:54:02,740
smaller the system. You have

6743
03:54:02,740 --> 03:54:02,740
you, the more of a you're

6744
03:54:02,740 --> 03:54:03,274
going to get. I mean, it's

6745
03:54:03,274 --> 03:54:05,674
really going to be

6746
03:54:06,111 --> 03:54:07,345
disadvantaged to someone that

6747
03:54:07,345 --> 03:54:10,182
put into small system just to

6748
03:54:10,182 --> 03:54:10,917
try to offset some electrical

6749
03:54:10,917 --> 03:54:12,251
costs? Well, in depends on the

6750
03:54:12,251 --> 03:54:14,200
size of the system again and

6751
03:54:14,200 --> 03:54:14,953
what they're overall

6752
03:54:14,953 --> 03:54:16,188
electrical uses.

6753
03:54:16,188 --> 03:54:16,923
>> So let's say that the peak

6754
03:54:16,923 --> 03:54:19,923
that that person pulled was 2

6755
03:54:20,828 --> 03:54:21,561
kilowatts. They would want to

6756
03:54:21,561 --> 03:54:24,650
look at option number 2, which

6757
03:54:24,650 --> 03:54:26,133
is the demand charge. It MAY

6758
03:54:26,133 --> 03:54:27,168
be more of it advantageous to

6759
03:54:27,168 --> 03:54:29,804
take the man charged said and

6760
03:54:29,804 --> 03:54:31,439
that high as 15 minutes where

6761
03:54:31,439 --> 03:54:32,107
their peak usage is to kill

6762
03:54:32,107 --> 03:54:33,841
lots of that's their their

6763
03:54:33,841 --> 03:54:36,110
case. That might be the better

6764
03:54:36,110 --> 03:54:36,778
option. That's why we put 2

6765
03:54:36,778 --> 03:54:38,147
different options that are

6766
03:54:38,147 --> 03:54:39,247
there based on I'm just hoping

6767
03:54:39,247 --> 03:54:40,348
to get to the place where they

6768
03:54:40,348 --> 03:54:43,152
have a 3rd option, which is

6769
03:54:43,152 --> 03:54:44,921
even better. And that is plug

6770
03:54:44,921 --> 03:54:45,588
their soul and just going on

6771
03:54:45,588 --> 03:54:48,525
solar. And that's where I'm

6772
03:54:48,525 --> 03:54:49,725
starting to have a problem

6773
03:54:49,725 --> 03:54:50,526
because I want people to be

6774
03:54:50,526 --> 03:54:51,261
incentivized to be able to put

6775
03:54:51,261 --> 03:54:54,861
solar on their homes because I

6776
03:54:54,998 --> 03:54:55,899
want that But I think we're

6777
03:54:55,899 --> 03:54:56,600
getting to a place where I

6778
03:54:56,600 --> 03:54:59,600
don't think there's enough of

6779
03:55:00,972 --> 03:55:03,372
a benefit. Were offsetting

6780
03:55:03,742 --> 03:55:04,876
that particularly for someone

6781
03:55:04,876 --> 03:55:05,510
that can't necessarily afford

6782
03:55:05,510 --> 03:55:06,912
a large scale system that

6783
03:55:06,912 --> 03:55:09,312
would cover their cough.

6784
03:55:11,150 --> 03:55:12,350
>> You solar system.

6785
03:55:12,350 --> 03:55:14,119
>> cost structure what we're

6786
03:55:14,119 --> 03:55:14,787
seeing from a price

6787
03:55:14,787 --> 03:55:16,787
standpoint, all accumulated

6788
03:55:21,940 --> 03:55:22,829
costs. For for that customer.

6789
03:55:22,829 --> 03:55:23,497
Proves out be are not covering

6790
03:55:23,497 --> 03:55:26,901
all that peak demand. So if

6791
03:55:26,901 --> 03:55:28,735
they unplugged the system, we

6792
03:55:28,735 --> 03:55:29,470
are still having to cover

6793
03:55:29,470 --> 03:55:31,672
that, that expensive customers

6794
03:55:31,672 --> 03:55:32,673
covering enough of use that

6795
03:55:32,673 --> 03:55:33,308
they don't need to be

6796
03:55:33,308 --> 03:55:34,410
connected to our systems.

6797
03:55:34,410 --> 03:55:35,976
That's what they would do, but

6798
03:55:35,976 --> 03:55:37,845
solar customers without

6799
03:55:37,845 --> 03:55:38,813
battery continue to be

6800
03:55:38,813 --> 03:55:40,315
connected to our system. But

6801
03:55:40,315 --> 03:55:42,884
you can even do it. You keep

6802
03:55:42,884 --> 03:55:44,153
coming back to comparing all

6803
03:55:44,153 --> 03:55:44,786
solar customers as the same

6804
03:55:44,786 --> 03:55:47,786
time. And that's what I'm

6805
03:55:47,823 --> 03:55:48,223
trying to refer to. Aren't the

6806
03:55:48,223 --> 03:55:50,223
same type.

6807
03:55:50,860 --> 03:55:52,963
>> There are small household

6808
03:55:52,963 --> 03:55:53,930
solar systems.

6809
03:55:53,930 --> 03:55:54,597
>> That just supplement their

6810
03:55:54,597 --> 03:55:55,631
steel and there are others

6811
03:55:55,631 --> 03:55:58,631
that we heard from one

6812
03:55:59,570 --> 03:56:01,970
gentleman that he's he's

6813
03:56:02,740 --> 03:56:03,440
totally like. He's covers. All

6814
03:56:03,440 --> 03:56:04,775
always like tickle needs with

6815
03:56:04,775 --> 03:56:06,844
this house. I guess what I'm

6816
03:56:06,844 --> 03:56:07,545
trying MISTER Lane Webber's,

6817
03:56:07,545 --> 03:56:08,380
even those customers that are

6818
03:56:08,380 --> 03:56:11,249
saying cover all of their use

6819
03:56:11,249 --> 03:56:13,840
from a total number of

6820
03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:13,752
>> kilowatts. They're not

6821
03:56:13,752 --> 03:56:14,486
covering their peak usage.

6822
03:56:14,486 --> 03:56:16,655
They still rely on the utility

6823
03:56:16,655 --> 03:56:19,550
system from 5 to 9 small

6824
03:56:20,993 --> 03:56:22,796
customer, large customer solar

6825
03:56:22,796 --> 03:56:23,462
installations. They still are

6826
03:56:23,462 --> 03:56:25,310
relying on our system. They

6827
03:56:25,310 --> 03:56:26,650
are still contributing to the

6828
03:56:26,650 --> 03:56:27,134
peak. They are still

6829
03:56:27,134 --> 03:56:28,101
contributing to the 6 and a

6830
03:56:28,101 --> 03:56:30,837
half million dollars to be

6831
03:56:30,837 --> 03:56:32,940
able to look out the Some

6832
03:56:32,940 --> 03:56:33,974
guys. I'm not really focused.

6833
03:56:33,974 --> 03:56:35,676
I'm okay with the one dollar

6834
03:56:35,676 --> 03:56:38,545
charge for my system that I'm

6835
03:56:38,545 --> 03:56:41,583
offering okay. What I'm not ok

6836
03:56:41,583 --> 03:56:42,217
is forsomeone that has a

6837
03:56:42,217 --> 03:56:43,180
smaller system was say 12

6838
03:56:43,180 --> 03:56:46,180
pounds or just I'm no

6839
03:56:46,588 --> 03:56:47,856
engineer.

6840
03:56:47,856 --> 03:56:49,725
>> But I'm calling here

6841
03:56:49,725 --> 03:56:52,270
because if they have a small

6842
03:56:52,270 --> 03:56:54,363
system, getting doubled Incas

6843
03:56:54,363 --> 03:56:55,898
there, they kind of our energy

6844
03:56:55,898 --> 03:56:57,234
wise user. They are paying

6845
03:56:57,234 --> 03:56:59,302
through kilowatt hours because

6846
03:56:59,302 --> 03:57:01,204
they can't. They're only

6847
03:57:01,204 --> 03:57:01,905
supplementing. And so it's

6848
03:57:01,905 --> 03:57:03,407
that one dollar doesn't seem

6849
03:57:03,407 --> 03:57:07,607
like a fair rate to me. That's

6850
03:57:07,811 --> 03:57:08,512
where I'm having issues. The

6851
03:57:08,512 --> 03:57:10,781
one dollars still is there to

6852
03:57:10,781 --> 03:57:12,283
be able to cover those

6853
03:57:12,283 --> 03:57:13,918
infrastructure costs. Whether

6854
03:57:13,918 --> 03:57:16,821
you're small user, you still

6855
03:57:16,821 --> 03:57:17,989
contributing to the number of

6856
03:57:17,989 --> 03:57:18,657
transformers that their

6857
03:57:18,657 --> 03:57:19,691
numbers, substance subsidy.

6858
03:57:19,691 --> 03:57:20,425
They will be paying for their

6859
03:57:20,425 --> 03:57:22,628
kilowatt hour use. Okay. Which

6860
03:57:22,628 --> 03:57:25,764
is going to be higher. Then

6861
03:57:25,764 --> 03:57:26,532
what mine All right. So

6862
03:57:26,532 --> 03:57:28,534
they're going to pay more

6863
03:57:28,534 --> 03:57:29,369
through their kilowatt hour

6864
03:57:29,369 --> 03:57:32,969
news and they're going to pay

6865
03:57:33,506 --> 03:57:34,107
the one dollar surcharge. So

6866
03:57:34,107 --> 03:57:35,609
they're they're they're

6867
03:57:35,609 --> 03:57:36,810
actually going to be paying

6868
03:57:36,810 --> 03:57:37,611
more proportionately. That's

6869
03:57:37,611 --> 03:57:39,614
what I'm trying to And that's

6870
03:57:39,614 --> 03:57:40,281
where it goes. And unfairness

6871
03:57:40,281 --> 03:57:43,881
here to someone that has a

6872
03:57:44,919 --> 03:57:45,554
lower. Economic position that

6873
03:57:45,554 --> 03:57:47,954
couldn't afford a larger

6874
03:57:49,324 --> 03:57:50,392
system. In all. All I can say

6875
03:57:50,392 --> 03:57:53,128
is that that customer still

6876
03:57:53,128 --> 03:57:54,229
has kilowatts that they are.

6877
03:57:54,229 --> 03:57:55,497
I'm coming back and needing

6878
03:57:55,497 --> 03:57:56,198
from Margaret. Otherwise they

6879
03:57:56,198 --> 03:57:59,198
wouldn't want to connect that

6880
03:58:00,903 --> 03:58:02,672
system to the grid. Again, the

6881
03:58:02,672 --> 03:58:04,741
that ours that are happening

6882
03:58:04,741 --> 03:58:05,909
in the daytime or producing

6883
03:58:05,909 --> 03:58:06,643
any of that. Energy are being

6884
03:58:06,643 --> 03:58:09,346
exchanged at the true value in

6885
03:58:09,346 --> 03:58:10,460
option. Number one.

6886
03:58:10,460 --> 03:58:11,649
>> Daytime, they're producing

6887
03:58:11,649 --> 03:58:14,490
solar credits at $0.7. They're

6888
03:58:14,452 --> 03:58:15,253
getting paid for those as that

6889
03:58:15,253 --> 03:58:18,253
happens. That's a lower cost

6890
03:58:18,789 --> 03:58:19,790
than the daytime and the trees

6891
03:58:19,790 --> 03:58:21,659
up on that side. Even with all

6892
03:58:21,659 --> 03:58:23,529
of that, taking that into

6893
03:58:23,529 --> 03:58:24,396
account, it's still not going

6894
03:58:24,396 --> 03:58:27,433
to have that customer pay for

6895
03:58:27,433 --> 03:58:28,367
their fair share of the

6896
03:58:28,367 --> 03:58:30,102
infrastructure.

6897
03:58:30,102 --> 03:58:30,770
>> Well, that's I I just I'm

6898
03:58:30,770 --> 03:58:32,500
going to have to understand

6899
03:58:32,500 --> 03:58:35,410
the math that will more kuz.

6900
03:58:35,410 --> 03:58:36,342
As I'm looking at it that.

6901
03:58:36,342 --> 03:58:40,800
This is just one area that I I

6902
03:58:40,800 --> 03:58:40,781
always think of someone. My

6903
03:58:40,781 --> 03:58:42,215
problem, I think that we come

6904
03:58:42,215 --> 03:58:45,619
to this is also our customers

6905
03:58:45,619 --> 03:58:47,389
are one size.

6906
03:58:47,389 --> 03:58:48,560
>> And that's just not the

6907
03:58:48,560 --> 03:58:49,900
case. I that's what I think

6908
03:58:49,900 --> 03:58:51,490
everyone's just like me

6909
03:58:53,595 --> 03:58:54,596
because I'm a solar user. But

6910
03:58:54,596 --> 03:58:55,430
that isn't the case. And

6911
03:58:55,430 --> 03:58:56,699
that's what I keep hearing

6912
03:58:56,699 --> 03:58:57,632
every time I have here.

6913
03:58:57,632 --> 03:58:58,733
Customer comments is that lot

6914
03:58:58,733 --> 03:59:01,570
of people have smaller systems

6915
03:59:01,570 --> 03:59:04,570
and they're just they're just

6916
03:59:05,740 --> 03:59:06,476
not in the same game. A lot of

6917
03:59:06,476 --> 03:59:08,311
other people. And so I'm

6918
03:59:08,311 --> 03:59:11,311
worried that they're going to

6919
03:59:11,414 --> 03:59:12,810
be pain a lot for killer one

6920
03:59:12,810 --> 03:59:12,716
hour usage because they're

6921
03:59:12,716 --> 03:59:15,116
paying that. They're not

6922
03:59:15,685 --> 03:59:16,420
getting the credit because

6923
03:59:16,420 --> 03:59:17,855
they don't they don't generate

6924
03:59:17,855 --> 03:59:19,524
enough power to get a good

6925
03:59:19,524 --> 03:59:22,494
credit. And so then they have

6926
03:59:22,494 --> 03:59:25,396
to pay the one dollar

6927
03:59:25,396 --> 03:59:27,432
surcharge. So I think it's

6928
03:59:27,432 --> 03:59:28,100
just seems like a a burden on

6929
03:59:28,100 --> 03:59:31,100
people that I would prefer

6930
03:59:31,771 --> 03:59:32,971
there not be a burden on. So

6931
03:59:32,971 --> 03:59:34,600
that I think we'll just leave

6932
03:59:34,600 --> 03:59:35,507
that. We're going to have to

6933
03:59:35,507 --> 03:59:36,509
argue that through a little

6934
03:59:36,509 --> 03:59:38,244
bit I'm going to have to

6935
03:59:38,244 --> 03:59:40,644
understand the mask because

6936
03:59:41,180 --> 03:59:44,780
I'm kind of roadblock. But my

6937
03:59:45,180 --> 03:59:48,550
next piece I think is that I

6938
03:59:48,550 --> 03:59:48,789
still have a problem with the

6939
03:59:48,789 --> 03:59:51,358
peak demand peace. The highest

6940
03:59:51,358 --> 03:59:53,761
thing. I mean, like I I said

6941
03:59:53,761 --> 03:59:54,395
last time I said, you know, my

6942
03:59:54,395 --> 03:59:57,395
my daughter was she would

6943
04:00:00,268 --> 04:00:00,969
never do this. By the way. As

6944
04:00:00,969 --> 04:00:03,969
sleepover party. And they all

6945
04:00:03,972 --> 04:00:04,940
turn on their dryers blow

6946
04:00:04,940 --> 04:00:05,774
their heirs, right? I mean,

6947
04:00:05,774 --> 04:00:08,100
just as a lot. And then so I

6948
04:00:08,100 --> 04:00:10,713
have this one charge. The

6949
04:00:10,713 --> 04:00:12,150
happened during the 15 minute

6950
04:00:12,150 --> 04:00:15,615
period. And now that's my rate

6951
04:00:15,785 --> 04:00:16,553
for the whole months. And so I

6952
04:00:16,553 --> 04:00:18,322
kind of feel like you need to

6953
04:00:18,322 --> 04:00:19,222
like throw out the highest

6954
04:00:19,222 --> 04:00:22,760
one. And then I'd be a little

6955
04:00:22,760 --> 04:00:23,494
bit more happy with If there

6956
04:00:23,494 --> 04:00:26,464
is some kind of way to say you

6957
04:00:26,464 --> 04:00:27,832
throught the top one. We'll

6958
04:00:27,832 --> 04:00:28,466
give you. You know, we give

6959
04:00:28,466 --> 04:00:32,370
you an out of, you know,

6960
04:00:32,370 --> 04:00:32,804
whatever. And then we take the

6961
04:00:32,804 --> 04:00:33,471
next one down. And if that's

6962
04:00:33,471 --> 04:00:36,471
one down is probably likely

6963
04:00:38,210 --> 04:00:38,911
just right next to it. So it

6964
04:00:38,911 --> 04:00:41,911
just seems worried about the

6965
04:00:42,849 --> 04:00:45,184
spike. So 2 points Mr Line

6966
04:00:45,184 --> 04:00:46,190
where we had to be ready to

6967
04:00:46,190 --> 04:00:48,419
deliver that power when

6968
04:00:49,789 --> 04:00:50,490
somebody has a party and

6969
04:00:50,490 --> 04:00:51,759
>> decides that they're going

6970
04:00:51,759 --> 04:00:53,227
to use that energy, we don't

6971
04:00:53,227 --> 04:00:54,270
we can't say, well, it was

6972
04:00:54,270 --> 04:00:54,696
just a party that happened one

6973
04:00:54,696 --> 04:00:55,663
time in a month. We're not

6974
04:00:55,663 --> 04:00:56,297
going to be ready to serve

6975
04:00:56,297 --> 04:00:58,933
energy. We still have to

6976
04:00:58,933 --> 04:01:02,533
deliver the power. So we have

6977
04:01:02,670 --> 04:01:04,206
2 options that are here.

6978
04:01:04,206 --> 04:01:04,807
Option number one looks and

6979
04:01:04,807 --> 04:01:05,507
says it's a reservation

6980
04:01:05,507 --> 04:01:06,207
charge. Whenever you're going

6981
04:01:06,207 --> 04:01:08,610
to ask me for the most power

6982
04:01:08,610 --> 04:01:09,311
in a given month. I have to be

6983
04:01:09,311 --> 04:01:12,281
ready to serve that that need

6984
04:01:12,281 --> 04:01:13,215
to honor system. If that

6985
04:01:13,215 --> 04:01:13,850
doesn't work because you feel

6986
04:01:13,850 --> 04:01:15,718
like you're going to have

6987
04:01:15,718 --> 04:01:16,687
those things that happen, then

6988
04:01:16,687 --> 04:01:18,488
go to option number one that

6989
04:01:18,488 --> 04:01:21,291
says it's a set amount each

6990
04:01:21,291 --> 04:01:21,891
day and do the math on your

6991
04:01:21,891 --> 04:01:24,561
your bill. We have the

6992
04:01:24,561 --> 04:01:25,128
calculations that are there.

6993
04:01:25,128 --> 04:01:25,797
We have had that many

6994
04:01:25,797 --> 04:01:27,798
customers that have reached

6995
04:01:27,798 --> 04:01:29,700
out to us and said can I see

6996
04:01:29,700 --> 04:01:30,768
based on my data every one of

6997
04:01:30,768 --> 04:01:31,436
those that that has reached

6998
04:01:31,436 --> 04:01:33,204
out to us, we provided that

6999
04:01:33,204 --> 04:01:35,730
back in an analysis. Does

7000
04:01:35,730 --> 04:01:37,208
option one work better? Does

7001
04:01:37,208 --> 04:01:39,110
option too. If you want an

7002
04:01:39,110 --> 04:01:39,712
average your high load events

7003
04:01:39,712 --> 04:01:43,312
than you should be looking at

7004
04:01:45,851 --> 04:01:48,521
option number one. But we also

7005
04:01:48,521 --> 04:01:49,789
want customers to incentivized

7006
04:01:49,789 --> 04:01:52,559
to use less power. That's what

7007
04:01:52,559 --> 04:01:53,227
I mean. The water wise was

7008
04:01:53,227 --> 04:01:55,630
just amazing. That has been

7009
04:01:55,630 --> 04:01:56,297
amazingly the set of eyes are

7010
04:01:56,297 --> 04:01:59,367
customers to use a lot less

7011
04:01:59,367 --> 04:02:00,467
water than realized.

7012
04:02:00,467 --> 04:02:01,870
>> And I think we're going to

7013
04:02:01,870 --> 04:02:04,270
have something similar with

7014
04:02:04,739 --> 04:02:07,750
energy were already seen. And

7015
04:02:07,750 --> 04:02:09,345
so it's been a big plus. I

7016
04:02:09,345 --> 04:02:11,413
don't want to take away that.

7017
04:02:11,413 --> 04:02:13,482
That's the thing. And that's

7018
04:02:13,482 --> 04:02:17,820
where if you just would be

7019
04:02:17,152 --> 04:02:17,887
able to remove the one $15. If

7020
04:02:17,887 --> 04:02:20,887
there's one 15 minute that was

7021
04:02:22,225 --> 04:02:25,829
high. That can go and it's an

7022
04:02:25,829 --> 04:02:26,429
excellent that would in my

7023
04:02:26,429 --> 04:02:27,640
mind. I would feel more

7024
04:02:27,640 --> 04:02:29,640
comfortable sothing like

7025
04:02:29,600 --> 04:02:32,600
that. But he's probably going

7026
04:02:35,907 --> 04:02:36,641
to be the same. So I'm still

7027
04:02:36,641 --> 04:02:37,575
not that. That's why still

7028
04:02:37,575 --> 04:02:39,311
have an issue. It is. It's

7029
04:02:39,311 --> 04:02:40,450
it's kind of like yo, you

7030
04:02:40,450 --> 04:02:43,645
know, I keep thinking of water

7031
04:02:44,820 --> 04:02:45,318
like you. You left the water

7032
04:02:45,318 --> 04:02:48,420
on hopes, you yeah, you need

7033
04:02:48,420 --> 04:02:50,923
to pay for that extra water.

7034
04:02:50,923 --> 04:02:54,523
But we have a community that

7035
04:02:56,830 --> 04:02:58,198
can absorb. A slumber party

7036
04:02:58,198 --> 04:02:59,900
that's the piece that I keep

7037
04:02:59,900 --> 04:03:01,301
coming back Well, I think

7038
04:03:01,301 --> 04:03:03,804
that's the overall question of

7039
04:03:03,804 --> 04:03:04,472
the entire 8 cases. Are we

7040
04:03:04,472 --> 04:03:05,940
okay with that? Socializing

7041
04:03:05,940 --> 04:03:06,874
costs across the entire rate

7042
04:03:06,874 --> 04:03:07,776
base.

7043
04:03:07,776 --> 04:03:08,943
>> I'm not sure that that's

7044
04:03:08,943 --> 04:03:10,212
what our charges been to do

7045
04:03:10,212 --> 04:03:11,790
it. And we want to look at who

7046
04:03:11,790 --> 04:03:13,615
is driving the cost of service

7047
04:03:13,615 --> 04:03:14,950
and who pays for that. And if

7048
04:03:14,950 --> 04:03:15,684
there's somebody that's having

7049
04:03:15,684 --> 04:03:17,286
a slumber party and we have to

7050
04:03:17,286 --> 04:03:17,920
be able to deliver that power,

7051
04:03:17,920 --> 04:03:18,621
should they pay for it or

7052
04:03:18,621 --> 04:03:20,880
should their neighbor across

7053
04:03:20,880 --> 04:03:21,824
the street pay for it? That's

7054
04:03:21,824 --> 04:03:24,824
really what the question comes

7055
04:03:24,827 --> 04:03:25,528
down to. We've laid it out for

7056
04:03:25,528 --> 04:03:27,731
council over the last 2 rape

7057
04:03:27,731 --> 04:03:28,898
cases. We've come back with

7058
04:03:28,898 --> 04:03:29,566
different options that we feel

7059
04:03:29,566 --> 04:03:32,566
like address some of those

7060
04:03:32,770 --> 04:03:33,937
things. If you feel like I

7061
04:03:33,937 --> 04:03:34,638
operate in a way that I can

7062
04:03:34,638 --> 04:03:37,740
ship some of that usage on a

7063
04:03:37,740 --> 04:03:38,420
one 15 minute block. I would

7064
04:03:38,420 --> 04:03:39,177
not recommend going on the

7065
04:03:39,177 --> 04:03:40,780
demand rate. I would recommend

7066
04:03:40,780 --> 04:03:44,278
going on the one dollar a day

7067
04:03:45,150 --> 04:03:48,870
option. I don't think it

7068
04:03:48,870 --> 04:03:49,880
encourages people to be energy

7069
04:03:49,880 --> 04:03:52,325
wise every day. So when you

7070
04:03:52,325 --> 04:03:52,958
have a bad day, I mean, it is

7071
04:03:52,958 --> 04:03:53,626
going to force people in

7072
04:03:53,626 --> 04:03:54,326
option to that. Just don't

7073
04:03:54,326 --> 04:03:55,928
want to think about every 15

7074
04:03:55,928 --> 04:03:58,328
minutes of their day.

7075
04:04:00,330 --> 04:04:00,867
>> that's I would like people

7076
04:04:00,867 --> 04:04:03,803
to kind of think generally of

7077
04:04:03,803 --> 04:04:06,803
conserving all the time. So

7078
04:04:07,700 --> 04:04:07,674
I'm just trying to get a

7079
04:04:07,674 --> 04:04:10,244
helpful solution to kind of

7080
04:04:10,244 --> 04:04:10,979
get us to that place. So

7081
04:04:10,979 --> 04:04:14,579
that's where I have a problem.

7082
04:04:15,850 --> 04:04:18,250
So thank you. COUNCILMAN

7083
04:04:19,821 --> 04:04:20,523
Williams, thank you.

7084
04:04:20,523 --> 04:04:23,459
>> This is more of statement

7085
04:04:23,459 --> 04:04:26,529
just when you come back up to

7086
04:04:26,529 --> 04:04:28,929
address our questions and

7087
04:04:29,299 --> 04:04:30,330
comments. It was mentioned

7088
04:04:30,330 --> 04:04:31,935
that selections are made prior

7089
04:04:31,935 --> 04:04:33,870
to APRIL. First 2027. I would

7090
04:04:33,870 --> 04:04:35,839
like it's been on the record

7091
04:04:35,839 --> 04:04:36,540
that that's not the correct

7092
04:04:36,540 --> 04:04:39,243
date because I don't want to

7093
04:04:39,243 --> 04:04:41,279
panic anyone in this room. So

7094
04:04:41,279 --> 04:04:43,280
if you could clarify that for

7095
04:04:43,280 --> 04:04:44,148
you right now are have made

7096
04:04:44,148 --> 04:04:45,550
the election to roll over your

7097
04:04:45,550 --> 04:04:47,519
credits from month to month

7098
04:04:47,519 --> 04:04:51,356
and year to year. That will be

7099
04:04:51,356 --> 04:04:52,570
in place until 2032.

7100
04:04:52,570 --> 04:04:54,326
>> With the proposal that we

7101
04:04:54,326 --> 04:04:56,695
haven't put in place at that

7102
04:04:56,695 --> 04:04:57,596
point, all customers are

7103
04:04:57,596 --> 04:04:58,531
choosing between options.

7104
04:04:58,531 --> 04:05:00,533
Option if you choose option 2,

7105
04:05:00,533 --> 04:05:01,234
which is the command rate, you

7106
04:05:01,234 --> 04:05:01,935
will continue to roll over on

7107
04:05:01,935 --> 04:05:04,605
a per kilowatt hour basis.

7108
04:05:04,605 --> 04:05:05,338
Those energy credits and just

7109
04:05:05,338 --> 04:05:06,973
so that I'm perfectly clear on

7110
04:05:06,973 --> 04:05:09,973
option. Number one, there is

7111
04:05:09,976 --> 04:05:12,146
roll over of that dollars that

7112
04:05:12,146 --> 04:05:15,490
can happen in the summertime.

7113
04:05:15,490 --> 04:05:16,250
If you have more energy than

7114
04:05:16,250 --> 04:05:18,953
reproducing and you end in all

7115
04:05:18,953 --> 04:05:20,354
of the cash out of those where

7116
04:05:20,354 --> 04:05:21,457
you had a $5 credit at the end

7117
04:05:21,457 --> 04:05:23,359
of the month that wiped out

7118
04:05:23,359 --> 04:05:24,920
all of your access and

7119
04:05:24,920 --> 04:05:26,262
facility charges, wipe out all

7120
04:05:26,262 --> 04:05:27,429
of your energy charges. And

7121
04:05:27,429 --> 04:05:29,365
there was a $5 credit. We

7122
04:05:29,365 --> 04:05:30,299
don't just say that goes away

7123
04:05:30,299 --> 04:05:31,501
and you start fresh the next

7124
04:05:31,501 --> 04:05:33,436
month that $5 Bill credit

7125
04:05:33,436 --> 04:05:34,137
roles for the next month. It's

7126
04:05:34,137 --> 04:05:37,600
dollar terms. Not until a lot

7127
04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:37,708
on option. Number one, option.

7128
04:05:37,708 --> 04:05:40,430
Number 2, you can keep if you

7129
04:05:40,430 --> 04:05:40,744
prefer to keep things on a per

7130
04:05:40,744 --> 04:05:42,179
kilowatt hour basis. You can

7131
04:05:42,179 --> 04:05:45,179
roll those over if you've

7132
04:05:45,850 --> 04:05:46,550
already made that election.

7133
04:05:46,550 --> 04:05:47,151
There's nothing for you to do

7134
04:05:47,151 --> 04:05:49,551
in 2027. You don't have

7135
04:05:54,760 --> 04:05:56,962
anything to do until 2032.

7136
04:05:56,962 --> 04:05:59,962
>> I didn't see any other.

7137
04:06:02,334 --> 04:06:04,734
>> Comments on the dice.

7138
04:06:06,238 --> 04:06:06,940
>> Do you need 15 minutes?

7139
04:06:06,940 --> 04:06:10,110
>> I think we'll be ok with

7140
04:06:10,110 --> 04:06:10,744
10. Okay.

7141
04:06:10,744 --> 04:06:12,879
>> So in the next in our

7142
04:06:12,879 --> 04:06:13,814
agenda is a break for

7143
04:06:13,814 --> 04:06:16,214
utilities, utilities to review

7144
04:06:28,915 --> 04:06:29,583
>> We are now back in session

7145
04:06:29,583 --> 04:06:32,583
for the public hearing for

7146
04:06:32,953 --> 04:06:33,954
consideration of changes too.

7147
04:06:33,954 --> 04:06:36,890
Utilities moving on to 7 on

7148
04:06:36,890 --> 04:06:39,290
council members agenda. We

7149
04:06:39,994 --> 04:06:42,994
will have a response hi,

7150
04:06:43,264 --> 04:06:45,264
Scott. Good afternoon.

7151
04:06:46,768 --> 04:06:47,368
President pro Iverson.

7152
04:06:47,368 --> 04:06:49,368
PRESIDENT Pro 10 risley

7153
04:06:49,638 --> 04:06:52,638
members of City Council. Happy

7154
04:06:52,842 --> 04:06:54,843
to get some responses. In

7155
04:06:54,843 --> 04:06:55,545
response to some customer

7156
04:06:55,545 --> 04:06:58,545
comments. Well, as some city

7157
04:06:59,382 --> 04:07:00,490
council member questions.

7158
04:07:00,490 --> 04:07:03,490
Leading into that at first

7159
04:07:04,988 --> 04:07:05,989
like to. Really just state

7160
04:07:05,989 --> 04:07:06,756
that we understand that this

7161
04:07:06,756 --> 04:07:10,356
is a difficult issue, not only

7162
04:07:10,361 --> 04:07:11,162
for net metering customers,

7163
04:07:11,162 --> 04:07:13,765
but for our community and of

7164
04:07:13,765 --> 04:07:14,665
course, for city council to

7165
04:07:14,665 --> 04:07:15,800
this utilities doesn't

7166
04:07:15,800 --> 04:07:17,669
recommend this proposal

7167
04:07:17,669 --> 04:07:20,669
lightly, but it really comes

7168
04:07:22,374 --> 04:07:25,210
on us as a requirement lot of

7169
04:07:25,210 --> 04:07:26,345
the customers here today have

7170
04:07:26,345 --> 04:07:27,120
made passionate statements and

7171
04:07:27,120 --> 04:07:29,412
understandably so about the

7172
04:07:29,516 --> 04:07:30,750
investments that they've made

7173
04:07:30,750 --> 04:07:31,417
and the other community

7174
04:07:31,417 --> 04:07:33,817
benefits that they provide

7175
04:07:34,421 --> 04:07:36,890
because of their solar energy

7176
04:07:36,890 --> 04:07:36,890
and utilities definitely

7177
04:07:36,890 --> 04:07:38,890
supports renewable energy.

7178
04:07:39,759 --> 04:07:40,695
We've actually added more

7179
04:07:40,695 --> 04:07:43,163
renewable energy over the last

7180
04:07:43,163 --> 04:07:44,299
several years to our overall

7181
04:07:44,299 --> 04:07:45,433
energy portfolio.

7182
04:07:45,433 --> 04:07:46,134
>> And we support customer

7183
04:07:46,134 --> 04:07:48,534
choice in installing rooftop

7184
04:07:48,769 --> 04:07:51,769
solar. We do have the

7185
04:07:52,841 --> 04:07:53,875
obligation. Though, as we

7186
04:07:53,875 --> 04:07:54,576
provide pricing for our

7187
04:07:54,576 --> 04:07:56,976
services and proposing those

7188
04:07:58,460 --> 04:07:58,715
to city council to propose

7189
04:07:58,715 --> 04:08:02,180
rates that are based on our

7190
04:08:02,180 --> 04:08:02,651
cost of providing service as a

7191
04:08:02,651 --> 04:08:03,352
municipal utility. And as

7192
04:08:03,352 --> 04:08:05,752
enterprise of the city,

7193
04:08:10,940 --> 04:08:10,628
Colorado Springs we. Pay for

7194
04:08:10,628 --> 04:08:11,328
operating building,

7195
04:08:11,328 --> 04:08:13,728
maintaining our system based

7196
04:08:13,931 --> 04:08:16,167
on services based on the. The

7197
04:08:16,167 --> 04:08:19,167
rates that propose and the

7198
04:08:20,805 --> 04:08:23,508
fees for services. So the

7199
04:08:23,508 --> 04:08:26,508
proposal before you today is

7200
04:08:26,611 --> 04:08:27,246
based on the cost of service

7201
04:08:27,246 --> 04:08:29,246
relief specifically solar

7202
04:08:34,587 --> 04:08:36,723
customers. With that proposal.

7203
04:08:36,723 --> 04:08:37,357
Another comment that has been

7204
04:08:37,357 --> 04:08:39,757
a recurrent several times

7205
04:08:40,861 --> 04:08:41,895
through the hearing is maybe a

7206
04:08:41,895 --> 04:08:42,796
little bit of a

7207
04:08:42,796 --> 04:08:44,531
misunderstanding. What happens

7208
04:08:44,531 --> 04:08:45,198
to excess production under the

7209
04:08:45,198 --> 04:08:48,198
really the energy wise with

7210
04:08:48,502 --> 04:08:49,838
the great access, the option.

7211
04:08:49,838 --> 04:08:50,706
Customers always have the

7212
04:08:50,706 --> 04:08:53,706
benefit of using their own

7213
04:08:53,942 --> 04:08:55,844
energy. And then any time

7214
04:08:55,844 --> 04:08:57,212
customer generate more energy

7215
04:08:57,212 --> 04:08:58,847
than they're using. And the

7216
04:08:58,847 --> 04:08:59,482
experts at to the grid. Our

7217
04:08:59,482 --> 04:09:01,482
proposal compensates the

7218
04:09:02,885 --> 04:09:05,870
customer at the full at the

7219
04:09:05,870 --> 04:09:06,890
full rate. So at no time does

7220
04:09:06,890 --> 04:09:08,230
you utilities take free energy

7221
04:09:08,230 --> 04:09:09,926
from the customer if their net

7222
04:09:09,926 --> 04:09:10,460
metering customer and excess

7223
04:09:10,460 --> 04:09:11,962
generation, they're

7224
04:09:11,962 --> 04:09:13,196
compensated at the full energy

7225
04:09:13,196 --> 04:09:14,631
wise rate or under option to

7226
04:09:14,631 --> 04:09:15,432
they're compensated in terms

7227
04:09:15,432 --> 04:09:18,432
of a rollover kilowatt hours

7228
04:09:21,172 --> 04:09:22,506
Carryforward month to month.

7229
04:09:22,506 --> 04:09:23,674
Utilities did substantiate its

7230
04:09:23,674 --> 04:09:26,678
filing when it filed its rate

7231
04:09:26,678 --> 04:09:27,946
case with City Council on

7232
04:09:27,946 --> 04:09:28,980
JULY, 7th, our rate filing

7233
04:09:28,980 --> 04:09:30,282
contains comprehensive

7234
04:09:30,282 --> 04:09:31,549
worksheets that demonstrate

7235
04:09:31,549 --> 04:09:33,949
our calculations, the cost

7236
04:09:36,388 --> 04:09:37,560
shift and the and the

7237
04:09:37,560 --> 04:09:38,491
justification for the grid

7238
04:09:38,491 --> 04:09:40,392
access fee and for the demand

7239
04:09:40,392 --> 04:09:41,940
rates are all laid out in the

7240
04:09:41,940 --> 04:09:42,328
worksheet that were included

7241
04:09:42,328 --> 04:09:45,328
in that filing that was

7242
04:09:46,320 --> 04:09:46,733
submitted to the clerk and

7243
04:09:46,733 --> 04:09:47,435
that City Council received.

7244
04:09:47,435 --> 04:09:51,350
And it's packet for the JULY

7245
04:09:52,873 --> 04:09:55,273
14th meeting. Several we've

7246
04:09:57,779 --> 04:09:58,479
heard. Customers come in on

7247
04:09:58,479 --> 04:09:59,714
some tools that they've self

7248
04:09:59,714 --> 04:10:02,650
built to help evaluate their

7249
04:10:02,650 --> 04:10:05,650
own impact of the proposal.

7250
04:10:06,689 --> 04:10:07,289
And that's a what a

7251
04:10:07,289 --> 04:10:09,689
compliment. Many of the

7252
04:10:10,930 --> 04:10:12,662
customers on there. And their

7253
04:10:12,662 --> 04:10:13,296
efforts to do so. And I have

7254
04:10:13,296 --> 04:10:13,996
reviewed several of those

7255
04:10:13,996 --> 04:10:15,966
personally. And I know I have

7256
04:10:15,966 --> 04:10:17,333
request to review several more

7257
04:10:17,333 --> 04:10:19,870
from customers in the last

7258
04:10:19,870 --> 04:10:22,720
several days. I do acknowledge

7259
04:10:22,720 --> 04:10:23,941
that it can be complicated

7260
04:10:23,941 --> 04:10:25,976
when we're looking at 15

7261
04:10:25,976 --> 04:10:28,779
minute granular data so meter

7262
04:10:28,779 --> 04:10:29,981
rates for every 15 minutes of

7263
04:10:29,981 --> 04:10:32,160
every day. And really it's

7264
04:10:32,160 --> 04:10:33,852
twice that for net metering

7265
04:10:33,852 --> 04:10:35,852
customers because it's 15

7266
04:10:35,855 --> 04:10:36,822
minute reads for their net

7267
04:10:36,822 --> 04:10:37,789
consumption with their polling

7268
04:10:37,789 --> 04:10:39,592
from the grid. And then 15

7269
04:10:39,592 --> 04:10:40,293
minute reads for their excess

7270
04:10:40,293 --> 04:10:42,693
production that their system

7271
04:10:44,230 --> 04:10:46,330
is producing. So that is a lot

7272
04:10:46,330 --> 04:10:46,966
of data to poll. And we do

7273
04:10:46,966 --> 04:10:47,634
have the known issue right

7274
04:10:47,634 --> 04:10:51,234
now. If a customer tries to

7275
04:10:52,506 --> 04:10:56,106
pull more than 21 days from my

7276
04:10:57,211 --> 04:10:59,114
usage tool right My account

7277
04:10:59,114 --> 04:11:01,882
portal. There is a time lapse

7278
04:11:01,882 --> 04:11:05,482
issue that can cause the data

7279
04:11:06,550 --> 04:11:06,755
kind of lapse out. So you need

7280
04:11:06,755 --> 04:11:07,455
hold in smaller increments of

7281
04:11:07,455 --> 04:11:09,791
time. But the data coming out

7282
04:11:09,791 --> 04:11:10,292
of the system is accurate.

7283
04:11:10,292 --> 04:11:12,692
Just a matter of

7284
04:11:13,329 --> 04:11:14,397
interpretation, that data and

7285
04:11:14,397 --> 04:11:17,397
sometimes it's not always as

7286
04:11:20,838 --> 04:11:22,906
clear as we would like.

7287
04:11:22,906 --> 04:11:24,410
Utilities is committed at this

7288
04:11:24,410 --> 04:11:24,708
rate case is approved to

7289
04:11:24,708 --> 04:11:25,308
develop tools that are much

7290
04:11:25,308 --> 04:11:27,544
more automated for the

7291
04:11:27,544 --> 04:11:28,345
customer just as we have for

7292
04:11:28,345 --> 04:11:31,345
non solar customers on our

7293
04:11:32,149 --> 04:11:32,850
energy wise rates. We have

7294
04:11:32,850 --> 04:11:35,850
irate tool that customers can

7295
04:11:36,154 --> 04:11:37,222
log in to my account and that

7296
04:11:37,222 --> 04:11:39,622
meter data automatically flows

7297
04:11:40,291 --> 04:11:40,859
into a rate calculator that

7298
04:11:40,859 --> 04:11:43,259
displays based on the

7299
04:11:44,263 --> 04:11:46,198
customer's historical usage.

7300
04:11:46,198 --> 04:11:47,333
What estimated bills are for

7301
04:11:47,333 --> 04:11:48,634
customer under the various

7302
04:11:48,634 --> 04:11:49,302
energy wise options. Energy

7303
04:11:49,302 --> 04:11:51,404
wise energize plus, in the

7304
04:11:51,404 --> 04:11:52,720
thick, seasonal options, we

7305
04:11:52,720 --> 04:11:54,720
anticipate doing something

7306
04:11:55,308 --> 04:11:55,909
similar for that for for these

7307
04:11:55,909 --> 04:11:58,909
not me turn options if

7308
04:12:05,920 --> 04:12:07,255
approved. Just check my notes.

7309
04:12:07,255 --> 04:12:08,222
Real quick Wanted to speak a

7310
04:12:08,222 --> 04:12:09,290
little bit about the comp

7311
04:12:09,290 --> 04:12:10,250
other complications with the

7312
04:12:10,250 --> 04:12:13,250
tools and one issue in

7313
04:12:14,630 --> 04:12:16,463
particular about believe that

7314
04:12:18,667 --> 04:12:20,503
the question was. And really

7315
04:12:20,503 --> 04:12:21,203
question in the calculations

7316
04:12:21,203 --> 04:12:23,172
that we have in the validity

7317
04:12:23,172 --> 04:12:26,772
of our our rate filing because

7318
04:12:27,177 --> 04:12:27,945
the customer was seen a higher

7319
04:12:27,945 --> 04:12:28,645
bill even when they were

7320
04:12:28,645 --> 04:12:30,645
producing excess generation.

7321
04:12:30,915 --> 04:12:33,915
During non peak time periods

7322
04:12:35,753 --> 04:12:37,722
during summer months. To speak

7323
04:12:37,722 --> 04:12:40,658
to that. The grid access

7324
04:12:40,658 --> 04:12:41,359
option in particular. But

7325
04:12:41,359 --> 04:12:43,195
Cosby's utilities using that

7326
04:12:43,195 --> 04:12:45,998
cost of service method, the

7327
04:12:45,998 --> 04:12:48,167
grid access option is based on

7328
04:12:48,167 --> 04:12:48,868
the average of net metering

7329
04:12:48,868 --> 04:12:50,969
customers. And again, we used

7330
04:12:50,969 --> 04:12:51,938
a large data sample of 8400

7331
04:12:51,938 --> 04:12:54,938
customers. So it's a broad,

7332
04:12:56,610 --> 04:12:57,711
comprehensive set of data. And

7333
04:12:57,711 --> 04:13:00,480
to calculate rates. We use

7334
04:13:00,480 --> 04:13:01,648
averages across the across the

7335
04:13:01,648 --> 04:13:02,984
data set. So based based on

7336
04:13:02,984 --> 04:13:05,984
the average of those net

7337
04:13:08,155 --> 04:13:09,156
metering customers, the the

7338
04:13:09,156 --> 04:13:10,525
great access charges based on

7339
04:13:10,525 --> 04:13:12,590
that infrastructure costs not

7340
04:13:12,590 --> 04:13:14,590
currently recover through

7341
04:13:16,999 --> 04:13:18,400
energy energy charges alone.

7342
04:13:18,400 --> 04:13:19,235
There is, of course, within a

7343
04:13:19,235 --> 04:13:21,370
set of customers. Always

7344
04:13:21,370 --> 04:13:23,390
outliers on one end our the

7345
04:13:23,390 --> 04:13:25,741
other. And so because of that

7346
04:13:25,741 --> 04:13:26,609
outline affected as possible

7347
04:13:26,609 --> 04:13:29,512
because the grid access option

7348
04:13:29,512 --> 04:13:32,512
is based on average. Average

7349
04:13:32,515 --> 04:13:35,515
on key contribution. If a

7350
04:13:36,420 --> 04:13:37,121
customer outlier customer has

7351
04:13:37,121 --> 04:13:37,755
excess production, which the

7352
04:13:37,755 --> 04:13:39,755
average customer doesn't.

7353
04:13:40,625 --> 04:13:43,625
During non peak hours but

7354
04:13:44,563 --> 04:13:45,263
applying the $30 average good

7355
04:13:45,263 --> 04:13:46,764
access charge to them. It is

7356
04:13:46,764 --> 04:13:47,699
possible for them to see a

7357
04:13:47,699 --> 04:13:50,990
bill increase under the

7358
04:13:50,903 --> 04:13:51,637
option. One even though they

7359
04:13:51,637 --> 04:13:53,773
have excess production even in

7360
04:13:53,773 --> 04:13:54,574
the summer months, it all has

7361
04:13:54,574 --> 04:13:58,110
to do with the tradeoffs of

7362
04:13:58,110 --> 04:13:59,813
using a large data set and

7363
04:13:59,813 --> 04:14:00,514
using setting rates based on

7364
04:14:00,514 --> 04:14:02,448
averages recognizing that all

7365
04:14:02,448 --> 04:14:04,848
customers are different. And

7366
04:14:05,180 --> 04:14:05,986
that goes also into the

7367
04:14:05,986 --> 04:14:08,386
proposal of providing options

7368
04:14:09,900 --> 04:14:11,490
for our customers. Customers

7369
04:14:13,361 --> 04:14:14,280
really desiring more granular

7370
04:14:14,280 --> 04:14:16,428
impact for their particular

7371
04:14:17,465 --> 04:14:18,767
situation. Can it. Option 2

7372
04:14:18,767 --> 04:14:19,468
with the demand charts. It's

7373
04:14:19,468 --> 04:14:22,400
really more tailored to their

7374
04:14:22,400 --> 04:14:24,400
specific usage patterns.

7375
04:14:27,576 --> 04:14:30,146
With that, I think I'll turn

7376
04:14:30,146 --> 04:14:30,847
it over to trusting your heart

7377
04:14:30,847 --> 04:14:33,247
to address councilmember line

7378
04:14:35,510 --> 04:14:36,253
members. Questions. It's I had

7379
04:14:36,253 --> 04:14:39,550
just a couple of other things

7380
04:14:39,550 --> 04:14:39,991
that I wanted to be able to

7381
04:14:39,991 --> 04:14:40,858
get. The first was MISTER

7382
04:14:40,858 --> 04:14:42,259
Lineworkers question that we

7383
04:14:42,259 --> 04:14:44,620
just have that the apologies.

7384
04:14:44,620 --> 04:14:45,429
As I was thinking of things. I

7385
04:14:45,429 --> 04:14:46,970
was thinking of from a

7386
04:14:46,970 --> 04:14:47,932
customer that would want to

7387
04:14:47,932 --> 04:14:48,966
have a nearing agreement with

7388
04:14:48,966 --> 04:14:50,935
us. So.

7389
04:14:50,935 --> 04:14:51,869
>> All of our net metering

7390
04:14:51,869 --> 04:14:52,838
customers sign a contract they

7391
04:14:52,838 --> 04:14:53,471
come in. They decide that

7392
04:14:53,471 --> 04:14:54,907
they're producing enough

7393
04:14:54,907 --> 04:14:55,574
energy that it makes sense

7394
04:14:55,574 --> 04:14:56,241
that they would want to see

7395
04:14:56,241 --> 04:14:59,241
some of that rollover from

7396
04:14:59,778 --> 04:15:02,815
month to month or from year to

7397
04:15:02,815 --> 04:15:04,851
year. If you're a smaller

7398
04:15:04,851 --> 04:15:06,386
producer Mr Line members to

7399
04:15:06,386 --> 04:15:07,587
your example, if you're a very

7400
04:15:07,587 --> 04:15:08,822
small producer, you probably

7401
04:15:08,822 --> 04:15:09,856
won't even want to sign up as

7402
04:15:09,856 --> 04:15:11,240
a net metering customer. You

7403
04:15:11,240 --> 04:15:14,240
could still put your panels

7404
04:15:14,696 --> 04:15:16,363
in. You could still use that

7405
04:15:16,363 --> 04:15:19,600
energy and you would not have

7406
04:15:19,600 --> 04:15:23,200
axis our I'm sorry, the demand

7407
04:15:23,238 --> 04:15:23,906
charge or the grid access fee.

7408
04:15:23,906 --> 04:15:26,141
This would relate to things

7409
04:15:26,141 --> 04:15:28,110
like balcony solar. So that

7410
04:15:28,110 --> 04:15:30,212
has been approved by the

7411
04:15:30,212 --> 04:15:31,114
state. That's a very small use

7412
04:15:31,114 --> 04:15:34,651
of solar. Then back feeds into

7413
04:15:34,651 --> 04:15:35,351
the system behind our meters.

7414
04:15:35,351 --> 04:15:35,985
It lowers your overall energy

7415
04:15:35,985 --> 04:15:38,385
bill because you're using

7416
04:15:38,388 --> 04:15:39,455
solar for some of that. That's

7417
04:15:39,455 --> 04:15:41,855
really your option. Number 3,

7418
04:15:42,926 --> 04:15:44,600
if you're that small and what

7419
04:15:44,600 --> 04:15:44,829
you're producing, there's no

7420
04:15:44,829 --> 04:15:47,197
obligation that you have to

7421
04:15:47,197 --> 04:15:47,932
sign a net metering agreement.

7422
04:15:47,932 --> 04:15:48,566
You can just stay on a regular

7423
04:15:48,566 --> 04:15:50,869
rates and keep that usage

7424
04:15:50,869 --> 04:15:51,536
behind your meter. Does part

7425
04:15:51,536 --> 04:15:54,536
of what you're looking for?

7426
04:15:55,107 --> 04:15:57,107
Sure.

7427
04:15:58,210 --> 04:15:58,944
>> Yeah, actually, does answer

7428
04:15:58,944 --> 04:16:02,114
it because I I was just locked

7429
04:16:02,114 --> 04:16:03,316
in on that. There's 2 options.

7430
04:16:03,316 --> 04:16:03,949
But there actually is a 3rd

7431
04:16:03,949 --> 04:16:06,752
option. And that is that

7432
04:16:06,752 --> 04:16:09,152
someone can have solar.

7433
04:16:09,756 --> 04:16:12,756
Receive a benefit because the

7434
04:16:12,792 --> 04:16:14,940
solar offsets their energy

7435
04:16:14,940 --> 04:16:14,862
use, but they're not

7436
04:16:14,862 --> 04:16:17,862
necessarily. They MAY not get

7437
04:16:18,899 --> 04:16:21,635
enough of a credit to really

7438
04:16:21,635 --> 04:16:22,336
be able to maximize system.

7439
04:16:22,336 --> 04:16:24,539
You know, I'm saying because

7440
04:16:24,539 --> 04:16:25,473
it's the dawn of a larger

7441
04:16:25,473 --> 04:16:26,174
system.

7442
04:16:26,174 --> 04:16:27,675
>> Correct in that situation.

7443
04:16:27,675 --> 04:16:28,443
And I think balcony solar is

7444
04:16:28,443 --> 04:16:29,144
another one of those issues

7445
04:16:29,144 --> 04:16:32,744
police relates to that it MAY

7446
04:16:32,914 --> 04:16:33,616
be very small panel but does

7447
04:16:33,616 --> 04:16:34,783
offset some of you. Some MAY

7448
04:16:34,783 --> 04:16:36,319
just be your refrigerator that

7449
04:16:36,319 --> 04:16:37,530
you're offsetting, but you

7450
04:16:37,530 --> 04:16:37,687
still want offset that and get

7451
04:16:37,687 --> 04:16:39,550
the benefit on your bill.

7452
04:16:39,550 --> 04:16:40,122
That's an option to do behind

7453
04:16:40,122 --> 04:16:40,791
the meter that's allowed

7454
04:16:40,791 --> 04:16:43,791
inside of our system. There

7455
04:16:45,362 --> 04:16:46,620
really is that 3rd option. The

7456
04:16:46,620 --> 04:16:46,796
other thing, couple of things

7457
04:16:46,796 --> 04:16:50,996
that I wanted to hit just real

7458
04:16:53,170 --> 04:16:55,730
quickly when we talk about the

7459
04:16:55,730 --> 04:16:56,574
9 year ago date that relates

7460
04:16:56,574 --> 04:16:57,576
back to this. We've working on

7461
04:16:57,576 --> 04:16:59,244
technological advances in our

7462
04:16:59,244 --> 04:17:00,446
system for quite some period

7463
04:17:00,446 --> 04:17:02,614
of time. If you go back to

7464
04:17:02,614 --> 04:17:04,716
2006, when we started this

7465
04:17:04,716 --> 04:17:05,817
program, we didn't have the

7466
04:17:05,817 --> 04:17:08,420
ability to look at everyone's

7467
04:17:08,420 --> 04:17:09,822
usage on an hour by hour

7468
04:17:09,822 --> 04:17:12,592
basis. Really just as we've

7469
04:17:12,592 --> 04:17:13,760
gone live with our mine have

7470
04:17:13,760 --> 04:17:16,960
we gotten technology that

7471
04:17:16,960 --> 04:17:18,310
allows us to look into every

7472
04:17:18,310 --> 04:17:19,833
15 minutes usage from

7473
04:17:19,833 --> 04:17:20,467
customers? That's part of the

7474
04:17:20,467 --> 04:17:23,467
reason why the timing was

7475
04:17:23,737 --> 04:17:24,705
right now to do this. And

7476
04:17:24,705 --> 04:17:25,907
that's not just for our net

7477
04:17:25,907 --> 04:17:27,742
metering customers. That's for

7478
04:17:27,742 --> 04:17:30,846
all of our customers. So as we

7479
04:17:30,846 --> 04:17:33,615
deploy those smart meters, we

7480
04:17:33,615 --> 04:17:34,516
wanted to make sure that were

7481
04:17:34,516 --> 04:17:35,150
lining the information that we

7482
04:17:35,150 --> 04:17:37,753
were now receding in much

7483
04:17:37,753 --> 04:17:38,954
smaller periods of time.

7484
04:17:38,954 --> 04:17:39,588
Really, from an energy. Why

7485
04:17:39,588 --> 04:17:40,622
standpoint for all of our

7486
04:17:40,622 --> 04:17:42,792
customers, we could see the

7487
04:17:42,792 --> 04:17:43,626
day that the usage from 5 to 9

7488
04:17:43,626 --> 04:17:46,396
and be able make the analysis

7489
04:17:46,396 --> 04:17:47,960
that allowed us to say now we

7490
04:17:47,960 --> 04:17:49,500
should look at rate structure

7491
04:17:49,500 --> 04:17:50,500
for all customers. When we

7492
04:17:50,500 --> 04:17:51,502
first started talking about

7493
04:17:51,502 --> 04:17:52,903
changing that metering rates

7494
04:17:52,903 --> 04:17:53,603
was at the same time that we

7495
04:17:53,603 --> 04:17:56,300
started talking about energy

7496
04:17:56,106 --> 04:17:57,740
wise rates in general. That

7497
04:17:57,740 --> 04:18:00,740
doesn't date back to the 2018,

7498
04:18:00,811 --> 04:18:01,513
2019 period of time. There has

7499
04:18:01,513 --> 04:18:03,913
been requirements and things

7500
04:18:04,480 --> 04:18:06,184
that they've been looking at

7501
04:18:06,184 --> 04:18:08,254
related to net metering in

7502
04:18:08,254 --> 04:18:09,121
general. Some of the things

7503
04:18:09,121 --> 04:18:10,757
last year related back to some

7504
04:18:10,757 --> 04:18:11,424
decisions that the state that

7505
04:18:11,424 --> 04:18:12,624
we were waiting for them to

7506
04:18:12,624 --> 04:18:14,594
bring back that they never

7507
04:18:14,594 --> 04:18:15,761
finalized. We still feel like

7508
04:18:15,761 --> 04:18:16,696
we now have the technology

7509
04:18:16,696 --> 04:18:17,330
that's in place through in my

7510
04:18:17,330 --> 04:18:20,330
system that gives us the

7511
04:18:20,967 --> 04:18:21,701
ability to look at a much more

7512
04:18:21,701 --> 04:18:23,537
micro level. Information that

7513
04:18:23,537 --> 04:18:24,671
comes from our customers and

7514
04:18:24,671 --> 04:18:26,671
priced accordingly. That's

7515
04:18:27,808 --> 04:18:29,376
part of the reason why now is

7516
04:18:29,376 --> 04:18:30,770
the time that we've seen it,

7517
04:18:30,770 --> 04:18:30,745
that it is the right time to

7518
04:18:30,745 --> 04:18:33,745
bring this type of proposal

7519
04:18:34,449 --> 04:18:35,483
forward. Just one last thing

7520
04:18:35,483 --> 04:18:37,920
that I did want to be able to

7521
04:18:37,920 --> 04:18:40,920
cover that we heard in

7522
04:18:42,291 --> 04:18:44,160
customer comment. Have about

7523
04:18:44,160 --> 04:18:46,829
one and a half million dollars

7524
04:18:46,829 --> 04:18:47,564
a year. Is our budget for

7525
04:18:47,564 --> 04:18:51,164
project Cope. I just wanted to

7526
04:18:52,168 --> 04:18:55,168
highlight that part as well.

7527
04:19:00,211 --> 04:19:00,844
>> COUNCILMAN Yes. Thank

7528
04:19:00,844 --> 04:19:03,244
actually, Tristan, I was

7529
04:19:03,347 --> 04:19:04,382
wondering, I think.

7530
04:19:04,382 --> 04:19:05,116
>> Renee was going to relay

7531
04:19:05,116 --> 04:19:08,116
some information to you from

7532
04:19:08,653 --> 04:19:09,321
one of the customers. Rana.

7533
04:19:09,321 --> 04:19:12,570
>> Who spoke about her, the

7534
04:19:12,570 --> 04:19:15,570
second person to come up.

7535
04:19:15,628 --> 04:19:16,529
>> Did you speak?

7536
04:19:16,529 --> 04:19:19,529
>> Yeah, I believe I addressed

7537
04:19:20,432 --> 04:19:21,767
that with the comments on ok

7538
04:19:21,767 --> 04:19:22,935
now the grid access charges

7539
04:19:22,935 --> 04:19:23,637
based on the average metering

7540
04:19:23,637 --> 04:19:26,874
you like you to address that

7541
04:19:26,874 --> 04:19:28,420
question. Thanks.

7542
04:19:28,420 --> 04:19:30,442
>> Seeing no other comments

7543
04:19:30,711 --> 04:19:31,411
from council and onto the

7544
04:19:31,411 --> 04:19:32,113
item. 8 COUNCILMAN Hinge him.

7545
04:19:32,113 --> 04:19:35,113
Here is where you would

7546
04:19:35,950 --> 04:19:37,419
actually do your.

7547
04:19:37,419 --> 04:19:40,255
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

7548
04:19:40,255 --> 04:19:43,855
MADAM PRESIDENT. So I. First I

7549
04:19:47,462 --> 04:19:48,197
want to say, I think, you in

7550
04:19:48,197 --> 04:19:51,197
listening to people, you know,

7551
04:19:52,668 --> 04:19:53,336
we have heard how people feel.

7552
04:19:53,336 --> 04:19:55,736
And what their experiences.

7553
04:19:55,772 --> 04:19:57,908
And we can't tell them to feel

7554
04:19:57,908 --> 04:19:58,642
differently. That's part of

7555
04:19:58,642 --> 04:20:00,376
the problem that we have as a

7556
04:20:00,376 --> 04:20:02,546
utility company right now. And

7557
04:20:02,546 --> 04:20:04,382
I think quite frankly, as a

7558
04:20:04,382 --> 04:20:05,820
council that we sometimes come

7559
04:20:05,820 --> 04:20:07,952
across as we know better than

7560
04:20:07,952 --> 04:20:09,988
the folks. That we are

7561
04:20:09,988 --> 04:20:12,388
representing. And I think

7562
04:20:13,257 --> 04:20:13,925
that, you know, part of that

7563
04:20:13,925 --> 04:20:15,925
public dissatisfaction that

7564
04:20:16,762 --> 04:20:17,496
we're experiencing is not

7565
04:20:17,496 --> 04:20:19,332
listening and people have come

7566
04:20:19,332 --> 04:20:22,535
to us and they've said, can

7567
04:20:22,535 --> 04:20:23,269
you please design a rate that

7568
04:20:23,269 --> 04:20:24,300
supports people to be a part

7569
04:20:24,300 --> 04:20:27,603
of the solution. That's what I

7570
04:20:29,877 --> 04:20:32,146
heard. Quoted today. So, you

7571
04:20:32,146 --> 04:20:32,813
know, respect us. I think I

7572
04:20:32,813 --> 04:20:35,183
heard that were pinned him.

7573
04:20:35,183 --> 04:20:36,490
People are feeling penalized

7574
04:20:36,490 --> 04:20:38,180
who want to be a part of the

7575
04:20:38,180 --> 04:20:39,888
solution who are asking us to

7576
04:20:39,888 --> 04:20:40,588
do better. And I think we

7577
04:20:40,588 --> 04:20:43,258
really can do better. And so

7578
04:20:43,258 --> 04:20:45,326
what I'm asking of my fellow

7579
04:20:45,326 --> 04:20:47,595
council members is to is for

7580
04:20:47,595 --> 04:20:48,263
us to do better. We can get

7581
04:20:48,263 --> 04:20:50,866
down in the weeds about the

7582
04:20:50,866 --> 04:20:51,567
masks and you know, I think

7583
04:20:51,567 --> 04:20:54,504
what's been made really clear

7584
04:20:54,504 --> 04:20:55,505
is people still still don't

7585
04:20:55,505 --> 04:20:56,305
fully agree or understand,

7586
04:20:56,305 --> 04:20:59,305
even with all the explaining

7587
04:20:59,776 --> 04:21:02,776
and all the going through

7588
04:21:03,980 --> 04:21:04,949
everything. And so I what I'm

7589
04:21:04,949 --> 04:21:06,616
asking for, what I'm asking

7590
04:21:06,616 --> 04:21:07,552
this council, but my fellow

7591
04:21:07,552 --> 04:21:10,552
council members to support is

7592
04:21:11,322 --> 04:21:13,722
that. Very specifically that

7593
04:21:16,762 --> 04:21:18,863
we make an amendment to put

7594
04:21:18,863 --> 04:21:20,999
the proposed tariffs that are

7595
04:21:20,999 --> 04:21:22,000
present to provide that the

7596
04:21:22,000 --> 04:21:25,000
new net metering rate options

7597
04:21:25,437 --> 04:21:27,873
shall not take effect until

7598
04:21:27,873 --> 04:21:29,174
csu has filed with City

7599
04:21:29,174 --> 04:21:31,611
Council and City Council has

7600
04:21:31,611 --> 04:21:34,110
approved a distributed energy

7601
04:21:35,316 --> 04:21:37,316
storage program. Including

7602
04:21:37,384 --> 04:21:39,784
customer on battery rebate

7603
04:21:40,530 --> 04:21:40,721
levels program, budget

7604
04:21:40,721 --> 04:21:42,690
participation, capacity and

7605
04:21:42,690 --> 04:21:45,690
enrollment time line with an

7606
04:21:46,427 --> 04:21:47,940
availability date. No later,

7607
04:21:47,940 --> 04:21:47,796
then the effective date at

7608
04:21:47,796 --> 04:21:50,398
these rate options. In other

7609
04:21:50,398 --> 04:21:51,200
words, we prioritize that. And

7610
04:21:51,200 --> 04:21:53,569
one of the reasons I think

7611
04:21:53,569 --> 04:21:56,569
this is really important. Is

7612
04:21:58,741 --> 04:22:02,341
that. We have known about this

7613
04:22:03,714 --> 04:22:05,915
for 9 years. Tristen, I

7614
04:22:05,915 --> 04:22:06,517
appreciate your comments on

7615
04:22:06,517 --> 04:22:08,818
the 4.5. And, you know,

7616
04:22:08,818 --> 04:22:11,818
plugging this hole. We are

7617
04:22:12,122 --> 04:22:13,291
making so many decisions about

7618
04:22:13,291 --> 04:22:13,958
a rate case 5 years from now

7619
04:22:13,958 --> 04:22:17,558
that we don't have all the

7620
04:22:18,362 --> 04:22:19,330
details for. So let's do this

7621
04:22:19,330 --> 04:22:21,666
thing right by these

7622
04:22:21,666 --> 04:22:24,666
customers. It will help. I

7623
04:22:25,738 --> 04:22:26,839
really believe it will help

7624
04:22:26,839 --> 04:22:28,807
building rebuilding trust with

7625
04:22:28,807 --> 04:22:31,807
this customer base who has

7626
04:22:32,711 --> 04:22:34,481
loyal for many for decades. So

7627
04:22:34,481 --> 04:22:37,250
I am asking my fellow council

7628
04:22:37,250 --> 04:22:40,250
members to please support that

7629
04:22:41,922 --> 04:22:42,590
amendment to this rate case.

7630
04:22:42,590 --> 04:22:43,290
>> It's such a mask. One

7631
04:22:43,290 --> 04:22:45,690
clarification on your intent.

7632
04:22:48,162 --> 04:22:48,830
There. The effect, as I

7633
04:22:48,830 --> 04:22:49,497
understand it would be to

7634
04:22:49,497 --> 04:22:52,497
delay the effective date of

7635
04:22:52,834 --> 04:22:55,771
what is proposed to a date to

7636
04:22:55,771 --> 04:22:56,438
be determined based on the

7637
04:22:56,438 --> 04:22:58,438
distributed generation with

7638
04:22:59,508 --> 04:23:00,108
the intent. Also be too told

7639
04:23:00,108 --> 04:23:02,108
the grandfather periods

7640
04:23:03,278 --> 04:23:03,979
essentially all dates are

7641
04:23:03,979 --> 04:23:04,681
shifted in parallel with the

7642
04:23:04,681 --> 04:23:08,840
time it takes to develop the

7643
04:23:08,840 --> 04:23:08,751
battery program.

7644
04:23:08,751 --> 04:23:11,151
>> I hadn't thought through

7645
04:23:11,387 --> 04:23:14,987
that. I don't know that. I

7646
04:23:15,192 --> 04:23:16,393
want to complicate it by

7647
04:23:16,393 --> 04:23:17,395
messing with the grandfather

7648
04:23:17,395 --> 04:23:18,329
rate. I mean, I heard, you

7649
04:23:18,329 --> 04:23:19,129
know, some good arguments for

7650
04:23:19,129 --> 04:23:21,132
this group should be

7651
04:23:21,132 --> 04:23:22,500
grandfathered for forever. I.

7652
04:23:22,500 --> 04:23:25,269
>> I don't want to complicate

7653
04:23:25,269 --> 04:23:26,400
it more. I would hope and

7654
04:23:26,400 --> 04:23:28,404
based on personal conversation

7655
04:23:28,973 --> 04:23:30,109
with Travis who, you know,

7656
04:23:30,109 --> 04:23:31,910
just shared with me, not that

7657
04:23:31,910 --> 04:23:32,577
long ago that he was talking

7658
04:23:32,577 --> 04:23:33,312
with the Public Chamber of

7659
04:23:33,312 --> 04:23:36,312
Commerce in the Denver Chamber

7660
04:23:36,615 --> 04:23:37,917
of Commerce and others about

7661
04:23:37,917 --> 04:23:38,885
how this technology is

7662
04:23:38,885 --> 04:23:39,752
possible that we're working on

7663
04:23:39,752 --> 04:23:41,754
this, that we're working on

7664
04:23:41,754 --> 04:23:43,290
getting this done as soon as

7665
04:23:43,290 --> 04:23:45,525
possible. So let's keep

7666
04:23:45,525 --> 04:23:47,361
working on that and move it. I

7667
04:23:47,361 --> 04:23:48,610
don't care. You know, if we

7668
04:23:48,610 --> 04:23:48,695
can get it done a month from

7669
04:23:48,695 --> 04:23:51,265
now or 2 months from now,

7670
04:23:51,265 --> 04:23:51,966
let's do it 2 months from now.

7671
04:23:51,966 --> 04:23:54,669
Let's get it done as quickly

7672
04:23:54,669 --> 04:23:55,770
as possible. So I'm not gonna

7673
04:23:55,770 --> 04:23:58,770
I'm not going to complicate

7674
04:23:59,108 --> 04:24:00,142
things by messing with any

7675
04:24:00,142 --> 04:24:01,343
anything else.

7676
04:24:01,343 --> 04:24:02,244
>> The effect of the change

7677
04:24:02,244 --> 04:24:05,244
would be specifically to the

7678
04:24:05,481 --> 04:24:06,215
APRIL first 2027 date.

7679
04:24:06,215 --> 04:24:06,949
>> Which would be removed to a

7680
04:24:06,949 --> 04:24:10,850
date to be determined based on

7681
04:24:10,850 --> 04:24:11,321
the further action.

7682
04:24:11,321 --> 04:24:14,321
>> Based on the yes, the

7683
04:24:14,358 --> 04:24:15,391
requirement that I stated,

7684
04:24:15,391 --> 04:24:17,361
yes, it sure And I'm trying to

7685
04:24:17,361 --> 04:24:18,620
keep it as simple as possible

7686
04:24:18,620 --> 04:24:21,620
and as respectful as possible

7687
04:24:21,197 --> 04:24:21,932
to the people who are net

7688
04:24:21,932 --> 04:24:22,633
metering customers. Thank you.

7689
04:24:22,633 --> 04:24:24,569
And all the customers. Thank

7690
04:24:24,569 --> 04:24:25,269
you.

7691
04:24:25,269 --> 04:24:26,605
>> So based on the request of

7692
04:24:26,605 --> 04:24:29,500
COUNCILMAN Tension. But I

7693
04:24:31,543 --> 04:24:32,277
would ask now is that sums up

7694
04:24:32,277 --> 04:24:32,911
thumbs down peace because this

7695
04:24:32,911 --> 04:24:34,647
is not a motion. This is

7696
04:24:34,647 --> 04:24:37,647
looking at that direction to

7697
04:24:37,749 --> 04:24:38,651
utilities. So I would ask is a

7698
04:24:38,651 --> 04:24:39,352
thumbs up in support of

7699
04:24:39,352 --> 04:24:41,352
COUNCILWOMAN Hinges proposal

7700
04:24:42,521 --> 04:24:43,222
in a thumbs down to deny it

7701
04:24:43,222 --> 04:24:46,822
and continue on with what you

7702
04:24:48,461 --> 04:24:50,861
Tillis has proposed. He's

7703
04:24:54,100 --> 04:24:54,902
excused.

7704
04:24:54,902 --> 04:24:57,902
>> Make sure I understand I

7705
04:25:01,710 --> 04:25:04,710
have 3 in favor and 5 opposed.

7706
04:25:05,280 --> 04:25:06,114
>> So based on that. Utilities

7707
04:25:06,114 --> 04:25:08,884
will not be directed to make

7708
04:25:08,884 --> 04:25:11,884
those changes to the proposal

7709
04:25:11,888 --> 04:25:12,855
with that, we're still agenda

7710
04:25:12,855 --> 04:25:13,522
item. 8. So any further

7711
04:25:13,522 --> 04:25:14,190
discussion or deliberation

7712
04:25:14,190 --> 04:25:17,190
from council is welcome at

7713
04:25:19,262 --> 04:25:23,462
this time. I don't see any at

7714
04:25:23,968 --> 04:25:24,368
this time. So now do we do a

7715
04:25:24,368 --> 04:25:26,200
thumbs up?

7716
04:25:26,200 --> 04:25:26,871
>> so because there's no

7717
04:25:26,871 --> 04:25:27,604
further discussion. This is

7718
04:25:27,604 --> 04:25:28,639
when request that direction on

7719
04:25:28,639 --> 04:25:31,639
how to proceed. Prepare the

7720
04:25:31,976 --> 04:25:33,845
decision orders. Many years.

7721
04:25:33,845 --> 04:25:35,981
You see me with a list of 30

7722
04:25:35,981 --> 04:25:37,150
questions today. We simply

7723
04:25:37,150 --> 04:25:37,749
have to. And that's because

7724
04:25:37,749 --> 04:25:39,885
their proposed changes to both

7725
04:25:39,885 --> 04:25:41,190
the electric tariff and the

7726
04:25:41,190 --> 04:25:44,289
you are in both cases. I'm

7727
04:25:44,289 --> 04:25:44,923
simply asking if there's

7728
04:25:44,923 --> 04:25:46,426
direction to approve the

7729
04:25:46,426 --> 04:25:47,727
proposed changes related to

7730
04:25:47,727 --> 04:25:49,730
net metering. So this point I

7731
04:25:49,730 --> 04:25:51,798
would ask for that sums up

7732
04:25:51,798 --> 04:25:54,268
thumbs down on whether you

7733
04:25:54,268 --> 04:25:55,100
approve would like me to

7734
04:25:55,100 --> 04:25:57,401
indicate approval of utilities

7735
04:26:00,808 --> 04:26:01,642
proposed changes. So to be

7736
04:26:01,642 --> 04:26:05,242
clear, I have 6 in favor into

7737
04:26:07,282 --> 04:26:08,517
a post. With that. I will

7738
04:26:08,517 --> 04:26:09,817
prepare the decision orders.

7739
04:26:09,817 --> 04:26:12,188
You'll see the draft of your

7740
04:26:12,188 --> 04:26:13,188
SEPTEMBER 21st work session.

7741
04:26:13,188 --> 04:26:15,825
And then your SEPTEMBER 22nd

7742
04:26:15,825 --> 04:26:16,725
City Council meeting. You'll

7743
04:26:16,725 --> 04:26:18,495
be asked to make formal

7744
04:26:18,495 --> 04:26:20,290
approval of that fire

7745
04:26:20,290 --> 04:26:20,763
resolution absent any

7746
04:26:20,763 --> 04:26:23,163
additional questions. We don't

7747
04:26:24,133 --> 04:26:25,536
have any further action here.

7748
04:26:25,536 --> 04:26:26,203
Thank you. And at this time,

7749
04:26:26,203 --> 04:26:27,604
this public hearing is now

7750
04:26:27,604 --> 04:26:29,539
closed. Thank you very much.

7751
04:26:29,539 --> 04:26:31,939
Moving on to item.

7752
04:26:35,713 --> 04:26:38,113
>> 9. Will the clerk please

7753
04:26:40,818 --> 04:26:41,754
read item into the record.

7754
04:26:41,754 --> 04:26:42,421
>> And ordinance of the city

7755
04:26:42,421 --> 04:26:43,122
of Colorado Springs solving

7756
04:26:43,122 --> 04:26:45,522
know Colorado City, Downtown

7757
04:26:50,729 --> 04:26:52,532
Development Authority. Emily

7758
04:26:52,532 --> 04:26:53,599
haven't City Council

7759
04:26:53,599 --> 04:26:55,502
administrator. I'm going to

7760
04:26:55,502 --> 04:26:56,169
start this item here just to

7761
04:26:56,169 --> 04:26:58,171
summarize this item for ski

7762
04:26:58,171 --> 04:27:00,171
before City Council.

7763
04:27:00,240 --> 04:27:02,443
>> On JUNE 8 in an executive

7764
04:27:02,443 --> 04:27:04,311
session came to council in a

7765
04:27:04,311 --> 04:27:05,380
work session on JULY 13th. And

7766
04:27:05,380 --> 04:27:07,215
at that time decision was made

7767
04:27:07,215 --> 04:27:10,215
by the council to postpone

7768
04:27:10,552 --> 04:27:12,554
today Tuesday, AUGUST, 25th.

7769
04:27:12,554 --> 04:27:13,755
For the record, the

7770
04:27:13,755 --> 04:27:14,556
recommendation from

7771
04:27:14,556 --> 04:27:15,224
legislative services remains

7772
04:27:15,224 --> 04:27:16,525
to dissolve people. Word at

7773
04:27:16,525 --> 04:27:17,593
this time. There's no

7774
04:27:17,593 --> 04:27:18,327
additional information from

7775
04:27:18,327 --> 04:27:20,327
legislative services regarding

7776
04:27:21,697 --> 04:27:22,831
this item. As we move through

7777
04:27:22,831 --> 04:27:24,134
this item today, city staff

7778
04:27:24,134 --> 04:27:26,102
are available, including our

7779
04:27:26,102 --> 04:27:27,604
planning director Kevin Walker

7780
04:27:27,604 --> 04:27:29,540
for questions and I believe

7781
04:27:29,540 --> 04:27:30,373
are also being joined today by

7782
04:27:30,373 --> 04:27:31,341
our director, the Urban

7783
04:27:31,341 --> 04:27:33,741
Renewal Authority to Ryan

7784
04:27:46,558 --> 04:27:48,558
Walker. The

7785
04:27:57,103 --> 04:27:59,503
we will now hear

7786
04:28:02,409 --> 04:28:03,143
from da. The chair of the dda

7787
04:28:03,143 --> 04:28:06,143
or whoever is representing the

7788
04:28:08,415 --> 04:28:10,815
dda today. For 10 minutes.

7789
04:28:10,852 --> 04:28:13,252
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT

7790
04:28:13,421 --> 04:28:15,256
and members of Council, I'm

7791
04:28:15,256 --> 04:28:16,925
Bob Gardner. I have the

7792
04:28:16,925 --> 04:28:19,160
privilege of being a counsel

7793
04:28:19,160 --> 04:28:19,728
to the old Colorado City,

7794
04:28:19,728 --> 04:28:21,728
Downtown Development

7795
04:28:23,298 --> 04:28:24,933
Authority. I am going to yield

7796
04:28:24,933 --> 04:28:25,635
the balance my time. Very

7797
04:28:25,635 --> 04:28:27,337
quickly stratum shaping who's

7798
04:28:27,337 --> 04:28:30,306
the chair of the board. But

7799
04:28:30,306 --> 04:28:34,506
before I do, I wanted to make

7800
04:28:34,978 --> 04:28:36,747
clear of that. The downtown

7801
04:28:36,747 --> 04:28:39,147
development authority of Old

7802
04:28:39,951 --> 04:28:42,951
Colorado City is committed. To

7803
04:28:43,870 --> 04:28:45,487
creating a viable. Workable

7804
04:28:50,295 --> 04:28:51,960
and entity to develop the old

7805
04:28:51,960 --> 04:28:54,599
Colorado City and the and the

7806
04:28:54,599 --> 04:28:55,300
character of the community.

7807
04:28:55,300 --> 04:28:58,370
There have been some concerns

7808
04:28:58,370 --> 04:29:00,370
expressed earlier about

7809
04:29:01,207 --> 04:29:03,607
council's ability to dissolve

7810
04:29:05,379 --> 04:29:06,312
the authority. If there was

7811
04:29:06,312 --> 04:29:09,312
debt. My reason for standing

7812
04:29:09,483 --> 04:29:12,353
here before you is you have a

7813
04:29:12,353 --> 04:29:13,153
resolution that there is no

7814
04:29:13,153 --> 04:29:14,923
debt confirming that a

7815
04:29:14,923 --> 04:29:17,923
resolution that they will not

7816
04:29:18,260 --> 04:29:19,194
enter into any diet until such

7817
04:29:19,194 --> 04:29:22,794
time as they have a revenue

7818
04:29:26,334 --> 04:29:27,200
stream it And I love you

7819
04:29:27,200 --> 04:29:28,905
counsel's obligation, the

7820
04:29:28,905 --> 04:29:31,305
city's obligation to assist

7821
04:29:33,143 --> 04:29:34,644
what has been adopted by a

7822
04:29:34,644 --> 04:29:37,644
private counsel and voted on

7823
04:29:37,680 --> 04:29:39,816
by the taxpayers of the

7824
04:29:39,816 --> 04:29:40,517
district to assist them and

7825
04:29:40,517 --> 04:29:43,517
becoming viable to give them

7826
04:29:43,553 --> 04:29:44,221
the opportunity to do so. And

7827
04:29:44,221 --> 04:29:44,889
with that, I will yield to

7828
04:29:44,889 --> 04:29:48,489
MISTER Step in to make his

7829
04:29:56,635 --> 04:29:57,335
presentation.

7830
04:29:57,335 --> 04:29:59,305
>> As Bob I'm my name is Adam

7831
04:29:59,305 --> 04:30:01,730
Stepan. I am the chair of

7832
04:30:01,730 --> 04:30:01,908
credit city Downtown

7833
04:30:01,908 --> 04:30:02,575
Development Authority and

7834
04:30:02,575 --> 04:30:03,709
thank you, PRESIDENT. Thank

7835
04:30:03,709 --> 04:30:06,709
you. Members of counsel for

7836
04:30:06,712 --> 04:30:10,912
having me. If I could get the

7837
04:30:13,587 --> 04:30:16,490
slides. And we'll give you one

7838
04:30:16,490 --> 04:30:17,257
cabbie out. I suffering from

7839
04:30:17,257 --> 04:30:17,959
invisible illness that decided

7840
04:30:17,959 --> 04:30:18,593
to take the better me today.

7841
04:30:18,593 --> 04:30:19,894
So I do have some right.

7842
04:30:19,894 --> 04:30:22,294
Rheumatoid arthritis? Flare up

7843
04:30:22,664 --> 04:30:24,320
stuff. Happening in Iman

7844
04:30:24,320 --> 04:30:24,732
medicated. So my mind can be

7845
04:30:24,732 --> 04:30:27,869
very sharp and stay on task.

7846
04:30:27,869 --> 04:30:28,570
But just know that I'm going

7847
04:30:28,570 --> 04:30:32,170
to struggle a little bit and

7848
04:30:35,177 --> 04:30:35,778
just bear with me. Here today

7849
04:30:35,778 --> 04:30:36,479
because the resolution

7850
04:30:36,479 --> 04:30:39,479
proposes to dissolve a voter

7851
04:30:40,830 --> 04:30:41,484
approved. Legally constituted

7852
04:30:41,484 --> 04:30:42,151
entity before it has even be

7853
04:30:42,151 --> 04:30:45,151
been allowed to execute its

7854
04:30:46,457 --> 04:30:47,158
mission. Dissolution is an

7855
04:30:47,158 --> 04:30:49,961
absolute new color option to

7856
04:30:49,961 --> 04:30:51,195
administrative puzzle. And I

7857
04:30:51,195 --> 04:30:52,129
want to show you why saving

7858
04:30:52,129 --> 04:30:54,598
the dda is the only path that

7859
04:30:54,598 --> 04:30:56,998
honors our voters protects

7860
04:30:57,669 --> 04:30:59,538
small business equity and

7861
04:30:59,538 --> 04:31:00,139
guarantees the responsible

7862
04:31:00,139 --> 04:31:00,805
economic stewardship of

7863
04:31:00,805 --> 04:31:02,805
Colorado Springs. Historic

7864
04:31:03,275 --> 04:31:06,179
Westside. We move on to slide

7865
04:31:06,179 --> 04:31:06,879
2.

7866
04:31:06,879 --> 04:31:07,579
>> You should be able to use

7867
04:31:07,579 --> 04:31:10,579
the clicker. Don't think you

7868
04:31:13,420 --> 04:31:13,987
dance.

7869
04:31:13,987 --> 04:31:14,687
>> What's ground this

7870
04:31:14,687 --> 04:31:17,570
conversation with history and

7871
04:31:17,570 --> 04:31:18,826
democracy? This dda wasn't

7872
04:31:18,826 --> 04:31:21,826
imposed by city staff were

7873
04:31:22,130 --> 04:31:23,397
handed down by a developer.

7874
04:31:23,397 --> 04:31:25,600
It's a years long, plural

7875
04:31:25,600 --> 04:31:28,000
years long. Grass roots.

7876
04:31:29,171 --> 04:31:32,171
Citizen led effort. And in

7877
04:31:33,508 --> 04:31:34,776
2024 our community community

7878
04:31:34,776 --> 04:31:35,777
explicitly voted to start

7879
04:31:35,777 --> 04:31:37,513
Sunsetting are outdated,

7880
04:31:37,513 --> 04:31:38,146
special improvement

7881
04:31:38,146 --> 04:31:38,847
improvement maintenance

7882
04:31:38,847 --> 04:31:41,247
districts and transition into

7883
04:31:42,519 --> 04:31:43,153
a modernized e d a. Local

7884
04:31:43,153 --> 04:31:43,886
merchants but skin in the

7885
04:31:43,886 --> 04:31:46,286
game. Spending over $70,000 of

7886
04:31:47,791 --> 04:31:48,425
their own capital. To fund the

7887
04:31:48,425 --> 04:31:50,425
consulting and structural

7888
04:31:51,528 --> 04:31:52,396
engineering of his district.

7889
04:31:52,396 --> 04:31:54,265
When we talk about dissolving

7890
04:31:54,265 --> 04:31:56,367
this board today, we are

7891
04:31:56,367 --> 04:31:57,268
talking about actively

7892
04:31:57,268 --> 04:31:59,268
throwing away $70,000 of

7893
04:31:59,670 --> 04:32:00,405
private small business

7894
04:32:00,405 --> 04:32:01,907
investment and and doing a

7895
04:32:01,907 --> 04:32:02,807
clear mandate given by the

7896
04:32:02,807 --> 04:32:05,744
voters of the West side less

7897
04:32:05,744 --> 04:32:08,800
than 2 years ago. Before a

7898
04:32:08,800 --> 04:32:10,182
single project was launched.

7899
04:32:10,182 --> 04:32:10,916
We are threatening to tell our

7900
04:32:10,916 --> 04:32:13,316
constituents that their votes

7901
04:32:18,240 --> 04:32:18,825
and their money do not matter.

7902
04:32:18,825 --> 04:32:20,260
So I want to address some of

7903
04:32:20,260 --> 04:32:21,161
the administrative hurdles

7904
04:32:21,161 --> 04:32:23,561
head-on because opponents are

7905
04:32:23,563 --> 04:32:24,231
painting a picture of

7906
04:32:24,231 --> 04:32:26,631
stagnation that is actually

7907
04:32:28,236 --> 04:32:28,970
false. The narrative that the

7908
04:32:28,970 --> 04:32:30,638
dda hasn't produced anything

7909
04:32:30,638 --> 04:32:33,307
is completely dead on arrival.

7910
04:32:33,307 --> 04:32:36,645
We have already and this is

7911
04:32:36,645 --> 04:32:37,612
really in 6 months. That we've

7912
04:32:37,612 --> 04:32:41,812
been able to meet as a proper

7913
04:32:46,856 --> 04:32:47,790
board. We have. As go, we have

7914
04:32:47,790 --> 04:32:48,992
already finalize our first

7915
04:32:48,992 --> 04:32:49,993
plan of development submitted

7916
04:32:49,993 --> 04:32:50,860
to the city and the city staff

7917
04:32:50,860 --> 04:32:53,260
has already completed their

7918
04:32:53,830 --> 04:32:55,131
first round of formal review.

7919
04:32:55,131 --> 04:32:56,133
We have received their

7920
04:32:56,133 --> 04:32:57,668
structural comments and our

7921
04:32:57,668 --> 04:32:58,335
board is actively working on

7922
04:32:58,335 --> 04:33:01,335
those exact revisions for a

7923
04:33:01,739 --> 04:33:02,674
final some middle right now.

7924
04:33:02,674 --> 04:33:05,674
This system is working exactly

7925
04:33:07,412 --> 04:33:09,248
as Colorado law intended solve

7926
04:33:09,248 --> 04:33:10,481
this authority. What we are

7927
04:33:10,481 --> 04:33:11,216
actively in the middle of

7928
04:33:11,216 --> 04:33:13,216
collaborative revision process

7929
04:33:13,552 --> 04:33:14,520
with city staff is fiscal

7930
04:33:14,520 --> 04:33:16,520
oversight. It is

7931
04:33:21,528 --> 04:33:22,229
administrative sabotage. So

7932
04:33:22,229 --> 04:33:25,232
there's a push to does all of

7933
04:33:25,232 --> 04:33:25,900
us in favor of rolling our

7934
04:33:25,900 --> 04:33:26,700
corridor into the Colorado

7935
04:33:26,700 --> 04:33:28,700
Springs, Urban Renewal

7936
04:33:29,503 --> 04:33:30,204
Authority. It was a bid. He's

7937
04:33:30,204 --> 04:33:33,700
been proposed. Will talk on a

7938
04:33:33,700 --> 04:33:36,607
minute. This in front of you

7939
04:33:38,613 --> 04:33:39,347
is You know, this, this

7940
04:33:39,347 --> 04:33:42,347
existing boundary that we have

7941
04:33:45,200 --> 04:33:46,756
that is the dda. And what Ryan

7942
04:33:46,756 --> 04:33:47,523
Lloyd with Eco architecture

7943
04:33:47,523 --> 04:33:50,326
has done with this filled in

7944
04:33:50,326 --> 04:33:51,895
some blanks of blue spots

7945
04:33:51,895 --> 04:33:54,970
being the site is completely

7946
04:33:54,970 --> 04:33:56,497
vacant. Ready for immediate

7947
04:33:58,268 --> 04:34:00,668
redevelopment. The its called

7948
04:34:00,971 --> 04:34:01,605
red and are utilize side non

7949
04:34:01,605 --> 04:34:02,272
historically contribution

7950
04:34:02,272 --> 04:34:02,873
contributing and ready for

7951
04:34:02,873 --> 04:34:05,273
development in the near

7952
04:34:05,476 --> 04:34:09,460
future. And then black, as you

7953
04:34:09,460 --> 04:34:09,680
know, and are utilize site non

7954
04:34:09,680 --> 04:34:10,382
historically contributing

7955
04:34:10,382 --> 04:34:13,382
ready for development as the

7956
04:34:13,852 --> 04:34:16,852
economy improves. I will say

7957
04:34:20,459 --> 04:34:21,393
that, you know. In 19 0, 7 was

7958
04:34:21,393 --> 04:34:24,393
annexing crowded city. It was

7959
04:34:25,464 --> 04:34:26,133
the original downtown. We are

7960
04:34:26,133 --> 04:34:29,733
in a unique spot. It didn't

7961
04:34:30,470 --> 04:34:31,404
get blown up. It's still here.

7962
04:34:31,404 --> 04:34:32,873
So we are in a unique

7963
04:34:32,873 --> 04:34:33,474
situation with our to

7964
04:34:33,474 --> 04:34:35,474
downtown's. There are 2

7965
04:34:35,776 --> 04:34:38,120
Central business district that

7966
04:34:38,120 --> 04:34:38,613
have wildly different needs.

7967
04:34:38,613 --> 04:34:42,213
And as you can see this

7968
04:34:43,510 --> 04:34:45,860
project here. Is is decades

7969
04:34:45,860 --> 04:34:47,690
first and a lot of it is not

7970
04:34:47,690 --> 04:34:48,757
urban renewal. It is not

7971
04:34:48,757 --> 04:34:50,359
casting blight on this avenue

7972
04:34:50,359 --> 04:34:51,894
in our beautiful historic

7973
04:34:51,894 --> 04:34:53,894
district. Infill projects.

7974
04:34:55,331 --> 04:34:56,320
They're small projects. That

7975
04:34:56,320 --> 04:34:58,602
drives team is not interested

7976
04:34:58,602 --> 04:35:01,738
in doing. Now. I will say that

7977
04:35:01,738 --> 04:35:03,807
we're here. Part of the reason

7978
04:35:03,807 --> 04:35:07,407
because of this node. At the

7979
04:35:07,879 --> 04:35:10,147
very end by the freeway. Now,

7980
04:35:10,147 --> 04:35:12,383
I will tell you that I myself

7981
04:35:12,383 --> 04:35:13,351
and the crowded city

7982
04:35:13,351 --> 04:35:15,751
stakeholders did not initiate

7983
04:35:15,987 --> 04:35:16,688
this being on this map and I

7984
04:35:16,688 --> 04:35:19,224
have emails that I'm happy to

7985
04:35:19,224 --> 04:35:20,326
share with all of you. That

7986
04:35:20,326 --> 04:35:21,226
say that this came as a

7987
04:35:21,226 --> 04:35:23,626
suggestion from urban planning

7988
04:35:25,597 --> 04:35:27,400
from city staff. That this MAY

7989
04:35:27,400 --> 04:35:28,100
be a good idea to include

7990
04:35:28,100 --> 04:35:30,500
these for future development

7991
04:35:33,600 --> 04:35:33,674
and future tough. If we had

7992
04:35:33,674 --> 04:35:35,909
known that we would all be

7993
04:35:35,909 --> 04:35:36,576
standing in this position

7994
04:35:36,576 --> 04:35:37,244
talking about the solution

7995
04:35:37,244 --> 04:35:37,945
because of the choice to

7996
04:35:37,945 --> 04:35:40,945
include these, I can assure,

7997
04:35:41,448 --> 04:35:42,116
you know, on what? And there

7998
04:35:42,116 --> 04:35:43,585
are a lot of ways to adjust

7999
04:35:43,585 --> 04:35:47,185
this boundary map if it really

8000
04:35:47,922 --> 04:35:49,224
is. The real issue and the

8001
04:35:49,224 --> 04:35:52,360
real meat I am here, but no

8002
04:35:52,360 --> 04:35:52,894
one asked myself. No one asked

8003
04:35:52,894 --> 04:35:53,930
the board to have a

8004
04:35:53,930 --> 04:35:56,330
conversation about this. So

8005
04:35:58,601 --> 04:35:59,235
how would I? How would I I

8006
04:35:59,235 --> 04:36:01,710
don't know. I think it's

8007
04:36:01,710 --> 04:36:03,471
pretty impossible. Moving onto

8008
04:36:05,475 --> 04:36:06,142
the next slide. So a lot of

8009
04:36:06,142 --> 04:36:09,742
talk has been just pivot a

8010
04:36:13,217 --> 04:36:14,985
bit. Structurally a dda is far

8011
04:36:14,985 --> 04:36:15,653
superior for our current needs

8012
04:36:15,653 --> 04:36:17,550
because it captures growth

8013
04:36:17,550 --> 04:36:18,560
through tax increment

8014
04:36:18,560 --> 04:36:19,791
financing without forcing

8015
04:36:19,791 --> 04:36:20,859
automatic heavy new

8016
04:36:20,859 --> 04:36:22,859
assessments directly onto

8017
04:36:24,163 --> 04:36:25,564
struggling small properties.

8018
04:36:25,564 --> 04:36:26,231
But more important. Let's look

8019
04:36:26,231 --> 04:36:28,631
at the financial political

8020
04:36:29,601 --> 04:36:30,670
reality of starting over. The

8021
04:36:30,670 --> 04:36:32,571
da is what our community

8022
04:36:32,571 --> 04:36:35,541
already debated, agreed on and

8023
04:36:35,541 --> 04:36:37,511
legally past. So abandoning at

8024
04:36:37,511 --> 04:36:40,447
to start a bid means throwing

8025
04:36:40,447 --> 04:36:42,490
out years of work, spending

8026
04:36:42,490 --> 04:36:42,950
well over $100,000 in new

8027
04:36:42,950 --> 04:36:44,950
legal consulting election,

8028
04:36:45,987 --> 04:36:46,721
administrative fees. And

8029
04:36:46,721 --> 04:36:49,121
furthermore, forcing our local

8030
04:36:49,157 --> 04:36:50,692
businesses and residents to go

8031
04:36:50,692 --> 04:36:52,360
back to the ballot box for a

8032
04:36:52,360 --> 04:36:53,940
completely different tax

8033
04:36:53,940 --> 04:36:55,940
structure structure triggers

8034
04:36:56,898 --> 04:36:58,234
severe voter fatigue. There's

8035
04:36:58,234 --> 04:36:59,135
a very high probability that

8036
04:36:59,135 --> 04:37:02,500
an expensive new bit campaign

8037
04:37:02,500 --> 04:37:02,738
would lose at the polls. And

8038
04:37:02,738 --> 04:37:04,975
so I'd asked why is it that we

8039
04:37:04,975 --> 04:37:06,242
would risk $100,000 gamble

8040
04:37:06,242 --> 04:37:08,278
when voters have already

8041
04:37:08,278 --> 04:37:11,278
handed U.S. And approved.

8042
04:37:15,886 --> 04:37:16,587
Working tool. So this is a

8043
04:37:16,587 --> 04:37:17,955
newish one. Let's talk about

8044
04:37:17,955 --> 04:37:20,191
the equity across our city.

8045
04:37:20,191 --> 04:37:21,920
Just a few weeks ago. This

8046
04:37:21,920 --> 04:37:23,492
very council reviewed a

8047
04:37:23,862 --> 04:37:25,263
massive $458,000. Supplemental

8048
04:37:25,263 --> 04:37:25,964
appropriation of City tax

8049
04:37:25,964 --> 04:37:28,167
dollars to fund the corridor

8050
04:37:28,167 --> 04:37:30,536
security on South Nevada. The

8051
04:37:30,536 --> 04:37:31,270
West side is not asking the

8052
04:37:31,270 --> 04:37:33,670
city for a half-million-dollar

8053
04:37:35,141 --> 04:37:36,977
hand up. The occ Didi is

8054
04:37:36,977 --> 04:37:39,579
designed to be completely self

8055
04:37:39,579 --> 04:37:40,614
reliant but utilizing tax

8056
04:37:40,614 --> 04:37:41,748
increment financing. We are

8057
04:37:41,748 --> 04:37:42,582
simply asking to capture a

8058
04:37:42,582 --> 04:37:45,180
portion of the new sales and

8059
04:37:45,180 --> 04:37:47,418
property tax revenue generated

8060
04:37:47,754 --> 04:37:48,356
right on Colorado Avenue and

8061
04:37:48,356 --> 04:37:51,956
put it back on our own

8062
04:37:52,590 --> 04:37:52,693
historic streets. If you

8063
04:37:52,693 --> 04:37:54,929
dissolve the dda, you're

8064
04:37:54,929 --> 04:37:55,630
stripping the west side of its

8065
04:37:55,630 --> 04:37:56,998
only sell funding mechanism,

8066
04:37:56,998 --> 04:37:58,100
forcing our businesses to

8067
04:37:58,100 --> 04:37:58,734
either decline or come to this

8068
04:37:58,734 --> 04:38:00,969
council later begging for

8069
04:38:00,969 --> 04:38:03,369
general fund handouts. Please

8070
04:38:04,706 --> 04:38:07,976
let us pay from progress. So

8071
04:38:07,976 --> 04:38:08,678
here's a path forward. We

8072
04:38:08,678 --> 04:38:11,780
agree with counselor Williams

8073
04:38:11,247 --> 04:38:13,283
that. There shouldn't be

8074
04:38:13,283 --> 04:38:13,950
lingering questions. The

8075
04:38:13,950 --> 04:38:16,350
solution to uncertainty is

8076
04:38:17,755 --> 04:38:19,790
clarity. Not elimination. We

8077
04:38:19,790 --> 04:38:22,126
have a clear immediate path

8078
04:38:22,126 --> 04:38:23,227
forward and our board is

8079
04:38:23,227 --> 04:38:23,794
currently finalizing the

8080
04:38:23,794 --> 04:38:24,929
comprehensive plan of

8081
04:38:24,929 --> 04:38:26,798
development. And we are ready

8082
04:38:26,798 --> 04:38:29,234
to submit next month with

8083
04:38:29,234 --> 04:38:31,690
Based on those comments.

8084
04:38:31,690 --> 04:38:34,690
Wasn't my time. Yes, thank

8085
04:38:46,186 --> 04:38:48,186
Thank you.

8086
04:38:50,570 --> 04:38:50,691
We will now go to

8087
04:38:50,691 --> 04:38:53,691
public comment and I will

8088
04:38:54,662 --> 04:38:55,262
start with those in support.

8089
04:38:55,262 --> 04:38:55,996
>> I'm gonna your name.

8090
04:38:55,996 --> 04:38:57,465
Please. Come up. Make sure the

8091
04:38:57,465 --> 04:38:59,500
green button is on and limit

8092
04:38:59,500 --> 04:39:00,802
your comments to 3 minutes.

8093
04:39:00,802 --> 04:39:03,802
We're going to start with

8094
04:39:11,347 --> 04:39:13,183
Elizabeth Salinas. Good

8095
04:39:13,183 --> 04:39:15,183
afternoon. Members City

8096
04:39:16,286 --> 04:39:17,320
Council. My name is Elizabeth

8097
04:39:17,320 --> 04:39:18,540
Salinas. Our family owns 2

8098
04:39:18,540 --> 04:39:19,957
commercial property is located

8099
04:39:19,957 --> 04:39:22,357
on West Colorado Avenue.

8100
04:39:22,760 --> 04:39:23,894
>> Well, we've lived since

8101
04:39:23,894 --> 04:39:25,894
1979.

8102
04:39:26,897 --> 04:39:27,431
>> I'm here today to object to

8103
04:39:27,431 --> 04:39:29,340
severe lack of lack

8104
04:39:29,340 --> 04:39:29,734
transparency. The statutory

8105
04:39:29,734 --> 04:39:31,870
overreach, the flood boundary

8106
04:39:31,870 --> 04:39:32,337
lines of the newly formed

8107
04:39:32,337 --> 04:39:32,937
Colorado City.

8108
04:39:32,937 --> 04:39:34,937
>> Downtown Development

8109
04:39:36,141 --> 04:39:37,877
Authority. First and foremost,

8110
04:39:37,877 --> 04:39:38,577
our properties are in Adams

8111
04:39:38,577 --> 04:39:39,311
crossing formally known as no

8112
04:39:39,311 --> 04:39:42,311
man's land. Not know. Colorado

8113
04:39:43,820 --> 04:39:44,217
City. Adams crossing has

8114
04:39:44,217 --> 04:39:45,840
already been addressed through

8115
04:39:45,840 --> 04:39:47,484
a major public planning

8116
04:39:48,200 --> 04:39:49,990
process. Westside Avenue

8117
04:39:49,990 --> 04:39:50,657
Action plan,

8118
04:39:50,657 --> 04:39:52,226
multi-jurisdictional public

8119
04:39:52,226 --> 04:39:52,926
improvement took 3 and a half

8120
04:39:52,926 --> 04:39:53,527
years. And 41 million dollars

8121
04:39:53,527 --> 04:39:55,927
of taxpayer funding to

8122
04:39:56,864 --> 04:39:57,631
complete. Throughout that

8123
04:39:57,631 --> 04:39:59,100
process impacted. Property

8124
04:39:59,100 --> 04:39:59,767
owners were notified and

8125
04:39:59,767 --> 04:40:02,167
included before during and

8126
04:40:04,105 --> 04:40:05,207
after completion in 2021. This

8127
04:40:05,207 --> 04:40:05,907
is why must ask, how Adams

8128
04:40:05,907 --> 04:40:08,907
crossing get included in this

8129
04:40:10,679 --> 04:40:12,814
new old Colorado City dda. We

8130
04:40:12,814 --> 04:40:13,749
never received notice. Legal

8131
04:40:13,749 --> 04:40:14,917
ballot informing us that are

8132
04:40:14,917 --> 04:40:17,317
too commercial properties run

8133
04:40:17,620 --> 04:40:18,288
the dda. Instead, the only

8134
04:40:18,288 --> 04:40:18,888
document we received was a

8135
04:40:18,888 --> 04:40:20,888
highly unusual oversize

8136
04:40:21,257 --> 04:40:22,392
ballot. 15 pages in total mail

8137
04:40:22,392 --> 04:40:24,661
to our Residents of 3, 5, 1,

8138
04:40:24,661 --> 04:40:27,610
8, West Colorado Avenue. Where

8139
04:40:27,665 --> 04:40:28,765
we are registered voters. The

8140
04:40:28,765 --> 04:40:30,501
ballot did not come from the

8141
04:40:30,501 --> 04:40:31,368
El Paso County clerk and

8142
04:40:31,368 --> 04:40:32,403
recorder's office. It was set

8143
04:40:32,403 --> 04:40:33,638
by a private law firm based in

8144
04:40:33,638 --> 04:40:35,573
Denver. Looks like junk mail

8145
04:40:35,573 --> 04:40:37,776
when I saw our property

8146
04:40:37,776 --> 04:40:39,510
schedule members listed on the

8147
04:40:39,510 --> 04:40:40,212
ballot along with the new tax

8148
04:40:40,212 --> 04:40:42,247
obligation. We would be

8149
04:40:42,247 --> 04:40:43,482
required to pay if the measure

8150
04:40:43,482 --> 04:40:45,618
was valid. We voted and mail

8151
04:40:45,618 --> 04:40:49,218
the ballot to the Denver law

8152
04:40:49,455 --> 04:40:51,570
firm before doing so. I copied

8153
04:40:51,570 --> 04:40:51,958
every page and save the

8154
04:40:51,958 --> 04:40:52,592
envelope. I also caught

8155
04:40:52,592 --> 04:40:53,994
contacted several of the

8156
04:40:53,994 --> 04:40:54,694
commercial property owners and

8157
04:40:54,694 --> 04:40:57,694
asked whether they received a

8158
04:40:59,320 --> 04:41:00,330
nice being similar. If they

8159
04:41:00,330 --> 04:41:01,302
believe the ballot I received

8160
04:41:01,302 --> 04:41:01,902
legitimate. Not one property

8161
04:41:01,902 --> 04:41:03,700
owner I spoke with had

8162
04:41:03,700 --> 04:41:05,470
received such a notice.

8163
04:41:05,940 --> 04:41:07,309
Several believe must be fake.

8164
04:41:07,309 --> 04:41:09,810
This race up serious questions

8165
04:41:09,810 --> 04:41:10,479
about this a boundary election

8166
04:41:10,479 --> 04:41:12,479
validity, transparency and

8167
04:41:14,149 --> 04:41:14,783
administration. The boundary

8168
04:41:14,783 --> 04:41:15,617
map, especially in there

8169
04:41:15,617 --> 04:41:19,217
instead of a focus district, a

8170
04:41:19,388 --> 04:41:20,623
cohesive commercial court. The

8171
04:41:20,623 --> 04:41:23,226
da is drawn us 4 mile corridor

8172
04:41:23,226 --> 04:41:24,360
from I-25 to Manitou springs.

8173
04:41:24,360 --> 04:41:25,610
The Lions also peer to run

8174
04:41:25,610 --> 04:41:28,610
through the alley behind West

8175
04:41:28,297 --> 04:41:29,990
Colorado Avenue creating a

8176
04:41:29,990 --> 04:41:30,434
narrow ribbon that excludes

8177
04:41:30,434 --> 04:41:31,101
cross street merchants in the

8178
04:41:31,101 --> 04:41:33,101
historic shopping district.

8179
04:41:34,671 --> 04:41:36,441
But my properties are included

8180
04:41:36,441 --> 04:41:37,175
just despite being far beyond

8181
04:41:37,175 --> 04:41:38,420
that core. Yeah. Under the tax

8182
04:41:38,420 --> 04:41:40,420
increment financing, structure

8183
04:41:42,714 --> 04:41:43,682
tax revenue generated by our

8184
04:41:43,682 --> 04:41:44,382
properties growth. We'll be

8185
04:41:44,382 --> 04:41:46,551
capture to submit subsidize a

8186
04:41:46,551 --> 04:41:47,285
tourist trip down the road all

8187
04:41:47,285 --> 04:41:49,685
while being physically sitting

8188
04:41:51,424 --> 04:41:52,358
outside the tourist hub. We

8189
04:41:52,358 --> 04:41:53,626
put they pay nothing because

8190
04:41:53,626 --> 04:41:55,495
they happen to face across

8191
04:41:55,495 --> 04:41:57,296
street. Dda election should be

8192
04:41:57,296 --> 04:41:58,265
transparent, administered by a

8193
04:41:58,265 --> 04:41:58,932
local up out of Pasco County

8194
04:41:58,932 --> 04:42:00,733
officials and confined to a

8195
04:42:00,733 --> 04:42:02,736
fair logical urban footprint

8196
04:42:02,736 --> 04:42:04,771
should not be a four-mile tax

8197
04:42:04,771 --> 04:42:05,405
dragnet deployed by front wage

8198
04:42:05,405 --> 04:42:08,405
law firm that exam score

8199
04:42:08,442 --> 04:42:09,410
business as well. Paralyzing

8200
04:42:09,410 --> 04:42:10,412
properties like mine and

8201
04:42:10,412 --> 04:42:11,279
others. A great distance away

8202
04:42:11,279 --> 04:42:13,679
for these reasons. I

8203
04:42:14,820 --> 04:42:16,820
respectfully request City

8204
04:42:16,217 --> 04:42:18,486
Council sot the occ pda. Thank

8205
04:42:18,486 --> 04:42:18,887
you for your time leadership.

8206
04:42:18,887 --> 04:42:20,887
Thank you.

8207
04:42:22,624 --> 04:42:25,624
>> Next we have Eric quiet.

8208
04:42:27,830 --> 04:42:30,434
>> Hello. It's Li I've been

8209
04:42:30,434 --> 04:42:32,834
here. 61 years. I've got 3

8210
04:42:36,707 --> 04:42:38,241
companies town. I've got 2

8211
04:42:38,241 --> 04:42:38,943
properties affected by what

8212
04:42:38,943 --> 04:42:41,943
these other people are trying

8213
04:42:44,149 --> 04:42:44,782
to do call russet. I just want

8214
04:42:44,782 --> 04:42:47,782
to say I got 2 properties

8215
04:42:49,387 --> 04:42:50,322
downtown and the development

8216
04:42:50,322 --> 04:42:52,322
downtown project could

8217
04:42:54,626 --> 04:42:57,597
evidence and did excellent job

8218
04:42:57,597 --> 04:43:00,567
let me know exactly what was

8219
04:43:00,567 --> 04:43:01,234
going on. And I said, yes, all

8220
04:43:01,234 --> 04:43:04,834
pay the extra tax money and

8221
04:43:05,338 --> 04:43:08,342
they've done a good job. This

8222
04:43:08,342 --> 04:43:10,342
situation never received

8223
04:43:11,912 --> 04:43:12,613
anything from people on 2

8224
04:43:12,613 --> 04:43:15,130
properties. I've got one. 35

8225
04:43:15,850 --> 04:43:18,250
11 West Colorado Avenue. The

8226
04:43:18,519 --> 04:43:20,919
other ones 35 33 wells the

8227
04:43:21,623 --> 04:43:25,393
avenue and the only way I even

8228
04:43:25,393 --> 04:43:26,950
knew anything about was the

8229
04:43:26,950 --> 04:43:28,965
Mecca Motel. People say, hey,

8230
04:43:28,965 --> 04:43:32,565
you know what's going And I

8231
04:43:33,936 --> 04:43:36,106
said let And so chief filled

8232
04:43:36,106 --> 04:43:39,706
me and showed me where they

8233
04:43:41,979 --> 04:43:42,846
want increase mill So I tried

8234
04:43:42,846 --> 04:43:46,446
Cole trying to find out what's

8235
04:43:49,487 --> 04:43:50,154
going on. Got 0 went down to

8236
04:43:50,154 --> 04:43:50,789
30 they have new 7th floor,

8237
04:43:50,789 --> 04:43:52,558
talked up, landing tart,

8238
04:43:52,558 --> 04:43:54,292
everybody. They're trying to

8239
04:43:54,292 --> 04:43:54,926
figure out, ok, will a

8240
04:43:54,926 --> 04:43:56,162
play-in. What's going on?

8241
04:43:56,162 --> 04:43:58,562
Phone numbers. Because I

8242
04:44:02,402 --> 04:44:03,470
wanted They didn't have much

8243
04:44:03,470 --> 04:44:06,373
information. And so I tried

8244
04:44:06,373 --> 04:44:08,773
numerous times to coal.

8245
04:44:09,443 --> 04:44:11,770
Whoever the boss was up. And

8246
04:44:11,770 --> 04:44:14,648
Amber to let him know I I'm

8247
04:44:14,648 --> 04:44:17,480
not interested in this.

8248
04:44:17,718 --> 04:44:18,420
Finally, I made contact and

8249
04:44:18,420 --> 04:44:21,790
they said all we sent that to

8250
04:44:21,790 --> 04:44:23,558
you 3 times. I said, no, you

8251
04:44:23,558 --> 04:44:26,558
didn't. I said I've never

8252
04:44:27,429 --> 04:44:28,300
received anything then by the

8253
04:44:28,300 --> 04:44:28,697
time we got down to the

8254
04:44:28,697 --> 04:44:31,970
conversation, this you're a

8255
04:44:33,435 --> 04:44:34,103
lawyer. And I said, I said,

8256
04:44:34,103 --> 04:44:34,771
Well, that's gonna make me

8257
04:44:34,771 --> 04:44:37,173
about to get here and say,

8258
04:44:37,173 --> 04:44:37,974
well, I got say, you know

8259
04:44:37,974 --> 04:44:41,377
what, they want to do some

8260
04:44:41,377 --> 04:44:42,110
down in old Colorado City to

8261
04:44:42,110 --> 04:44:44,411
prepare or least educate

8262
04:44:44,781 --> 04:44:48,981
people. All the way on the far

8263
04:44:49,419 --> 04:44:50,521
west end of Yeah, I'm not

8264
04:44:50,521 --> 04:44:52,921
interested paying more taxes

8265
04:44:53,157 --> 04:44:56,157
what they're doing down there.

8266
04:44:58,597 --> 04:45:00,980
The way they went about it

8267
04:45:00,980 --> 04:45:00,799
think-tanks if they would have

8268
04:45:00,799 --> 04:45:03,268
maybe one about the right way

8269
04:45:03,268 --> 04:45:04,971
and their people, we could

8270
04:45:04,971 --> 04:45:08,571
have some fun series to talk

8271
04:45:09,842 --> 04:45:10,943
about. But that didn't happen.

8272
04:45:10,943 --> 04:45:11,645
You know, kind of speed this

8273
04:45:11,645 --> 04:45:15,245
up a little boat. I encourage

8274
04:45:23,570 --> 04:45:23,924
you Dismiss out and Bono. We

8275
04:45:23,924 --> 04:45:26,560
got questions. I'll be glad to

8276
04:45:26,560 --> 04:45:27,195
answer. We do.

8277
04:45:27,195 --> 04:45:29,195
>> Okay. COUNCILMAN Ryan

8278
04:45:33,469 --> 04:45:34,170
Weber, I want to make sure I

8279
04:45:34,170 --> 04:45:35,137
don't get confused about the

8280
04:45:35,137 --> 04:45:37,137
17 properties that were.

8281
04:45:38,974 --> 04:45:42,344
>> Moved. Are we did that. We

8282
04:45:42,344 --> 04:45:45,315
talking about any of those.

8283
04:45:45,315 --> 04:45:46,350
Ok? So these are all ones that

8284
04:45:46,350 --> 04:45:48,750
are legitimately part because

8285
04:45:50,320 --> 04:45:50,888
they're in general area of

8286
04:45:50,888 --> 04:45:51,589
these addresses. It's

8287
04:45:51,589 --> 04:45:54,589
confusing and that area that

8288
04:45:55,930 --> 04:45:55,826
no man's land is still very

8289
04:45:55,826 --> 04:45:58,226
>> So that their 17 properties

8290
04:45:59,564 --> 04:46:02,564
that got removed from this.

8291
04:46:03,268 --> 04:46:03,735
And I just wanted to have some

8292
04:46:03,735 --> 04:46:05,735
clarity about.

8293
04:46:07,406 --> 04:46:07,707
>> Are any of these properties

8294
04:46:07,707 --> 04:46:08,441
that?

8295
04:46:08,441 --> 04:46:11,144
>> So anyway, that's that that

8296
04:46:11,144 --> 04:46:11,777
was my only under. That was my

8297
04:46:11,777 --> 04:46:12,444
only question.

8298
04:46:12,444 --> 04:46:15,444
>> Somebody's got a list of

8299
04:46:20,286 --> 04:46:23,123
those 17 property And then my

8300
04:46:23,123 --> 04:46:26,260
Yeah, I do. Those properties

8301
04:46:26,260 --> 04:46:26,828
were in the county and that

8302
04:46:26,828 --> 04:46:28,362
was the reason. Yeah, they

8303
04:46:28,362 --> 04:46:29,363
were the county, not the city

8304
04:46:29,363 --> 04:46:32,100
right? So if you're in the

8305
04:46:32,100 --> 04:46:34,500
city limits owned county.

8306
04:46:34,536 --> 04:46:38,136
Okay. Well, now the city has

8307
04:46:39,341 --> 04:46:40,309
been approaching me for years

8308
04:46:40,309 --> 04:46:43,309
because behind across from me

8309
04:46:44,113 --> 04:46:47,551
to the side of it and they've

8310
04:46:47,551 --> 04:46:47,917
offered to let me come in for

8311
04:46:47,917 --> 04:46:48,618
nothing.

8312
04:46:48,618 --> 04:46:51,588
>> now now. He is one of the

8313
04:46:51,588 --> 04:46:53,588
70

8314
04:46:53,591 --> 04:46:55,258
>> Okay. Why haven't agreed to

8315
04:46:55,258 --> 04:46:55,992
that? Well, that's what I'm

8316
04:46:55,992 --> 04:46:59,592
saying. You're not in the city

8317
04:47:01,199 --> 04:47:02,433
right? Or not. Okay, but they

8318
04:47:02,433 --> 04:47:03,134
But you're not a part of this.

8319
04:47:03,134 --> 04:47:04,902
You've already been taken off

8320
04:47:04,902 --> 04:47:05,536
the list.

8321
04:47:05,536 --> 04:47:08,536
>> But thank you for your

8322
04:47:09,975 --> 04:47:10,676
cause I I do.

8323
04:47:10,676 --> 04:47:12,644
>> But I've got nothing that

8324
04:47:12,644 --> 04:47:16,244
says and they like, and, you

8325
04:47:16,416 --> 04:47:17,350
know, could.

8326
04:47:17,350 --> 04:47:18,284
>> So so now I'm I don't know

8327
04:47:18,284 --> 04:47:20,684
why speaking. Someone else

8328
04:47:21,530 --> 04:47:21,420
should be speaking to the

8329
04:47:21,420 --> 04:47:22,550
spigots.

8330
04:47:22,550 --> 04:47:22,689
>> I'm just asking the

8331
04:47:22,689 --> 04:47:24,892
question. That's why I'm

8332
04:47:24,892 --> 04:47:25,325
asking question. Does this

8333
04:47:25,325 --> 04:47:27,325
uncertainty?

8334
04:47:27,661 --> 04:47:31,261
>> We were told a couple of

8335
04:47:31,566 --> 04:47:32,734
months ago of this district,

8336
04:47:32,734 --> 04:47:35,134
17 properties are actually not

8337
04:47:36,137 --> 04:47:36,871
part of the city.

8338
04:47:36,871 --> 04:47:41,710
>> So they cannot be a part of

8339
04:47:41,877 --> 04:47:42,545
this. D a.

8340
04:47:42,545 --> 04:47:43,178
>> But we do all those. So

8341
04:47:43,178 --> 04:47:45,647
that's right. But say he

8342
04:47:45,647 --> 04:47:46,381
doesn't even know that well,

8343
04:47:46,381 --> 04:47:48,817
because he's clear if you have

8344
04:47:48,817 --> 04:47:51,253
never been an ox into Colorado

8345
04:47:51,253 --> 04:47:54,900
Springs. So if you're not,

8346
04:47:54,900 --> 04:47:54,495
then you are one of those 17

8347
04:47:54,495 --> 04:47:55,159
properties.

8348
04:47:55,159 --> 04:47:57,995
>> But we have since taken

8349
04:47:57,995 --> 04:47:58,462
care of that. So thank you for

8350
04:47:58,462 --> 04:48:00,300
your comments.

8351
04:48:00,300 --> 04:48:04,230
>> So you will not be a part

8352
04:48:04,669 --> 04:48:07,772
of even if I was to set the it

8353
04:48:07,772 --> 04:48:08,873
MAY be a part of a next step

8354
04:48:08,873 --> 04:48:10,141
we have. But I mean, that's

8355
04:48:10,141 --> 04:48:11,910
what it was a gym. But I mean,

8356
04:48:11,910 --> 04:48:12,644
right, because of risk.

8357
04:48:12,644 --> 04:48:16,648
>> So I just want to be clear,

8358
04:48:16,648 --> 04:48:19,648
right? All right. I can

8359
04:48:19,919 --> 04:48:21,320
understand your lips. I was

8360
04:48:21,320 --> 04:48:22,955
going to say we are pulling

8361
04:48:22,955 --> 04:48:24,570
that ordinance will be able to

8362
04:48:24,570 --> 04:48:26,930
work with this gentleman to

8363
04:48:26,930 --> 04:48:26,760
confirm his address removal of

8364
04:48:26,760 --> 04:48:27,594
17 properties. The council

8365
04:48:27,594 --> 04:48:28,996
voted on. Okay. Thank u next

8366
04:48:28,996 --> 04:48:31,396
step. We have Christine.

8367
04:48:35,103 --> 04:48:35,803
>> And worked.

8368
04:48:35,803 --> 04:48:37,710
>> that just shows you how

8369
04:48:37,710 --> 04:48:37,905
much confusion has been around

8370
04:48:37,905 --> 04:48:39,905
this right?

8371
04:48:41,800 --> 04:48:42,577
>> Okay.

8372
04:48:42,577 --> 04:48:44,947
>> I am Christy their word

8373
04:48:44,947 --> 04:48:46,947
presenting to district

8374
04:48:48,650 --> 04:48:49,852
recommendation and MAY reflect

8375
04:48:49,852 --> 04:48:52,822
my opinions. I did receive a

8376
04:48:52,822 --> 04:48:55,222
notice. Indicating meeting for

8377
04:48:55,826 --> 04:48:58,226
residential and the proposed

8378
04:48:59,395 --> 04:49:01,395
comments city on 4/30/2024. 2

8379
04:49:01,398 --> 04:49:03,367
of the residents who are with

8380
04:49:03,367 --> 04:49:04,434
me at that meeting, one of

8381
04:49:04,434 --> 04:49:05,803
which had to leave at noon.

8382
04:49:05,803 --> 04:49:06,504
But she was here to verify how

8383
04:49:06,504 --> 04:49:09,504
many people were actually at

8384
04:49:10,875 --> 04:49:11,609
this meeting. The member

8385
04:49:11,609 --> 04:49:14,609
Pierce is in attendance with 7

8386
04:49:17,148 --> 04:49:19,818
to 9. Project meetings in the

8387
04:49:19,818 --> 04:49:20,519
West side that I've my 12

8388
04:49:20,519 --> 04:49:23,155
years and the own board were

8389
04:49:23,155 --> 04:49:25,155
heavily attended. This

8390
04:49:26,125 --> 04:49:27,994
disparities in attendance

8391
04:49:27,994 --> 04:49:29,863
cause me to start asking West

8392
04:49:29,863 --> 04:49:31,998
Siders if they had heard about

8393
04:49:31,998 --> 04:49:34,998
this proposed e d a

8394
04:49:37,104 --> 04:49:38,306
>> I no one who had.

8395
04:49:38,306 --> 04:49:41,306
>> This concern cause me to

8396
04:49:41,609 --> 04:49:44,609
speak before on AUGUST. 27th

8397
04:49:45,120 --> 04:49:46,448
2024 session of the City

8398
04:49:46,448 --> 04:49:48,848
Council, Colorado Springs. I

8399
04:49:49,718 --> 04:49:50,385
address the issue of dda

8400
04:49:50,385 --> 04:49:51,870
notification for the April

8401
04:49:51,870 --> 04:49:54,870
30th meeting with such small

8402
04:49:55,257 --> 04:49:58,257
turnout. And the lack of

8403
04:49:59,862 --> 04:50:02,866
clarity of the g 8 in general.

8404
04:50:02,866 --> 04:50:04,670
I requested that the city

8405
04:50:04,670 --> 04:50:05,369
console that all information

8406
04:50:05,369 --> 04:50:06,700
on the notation pride, the

8407
04:50:06,700 --> 04:50:08,470
notification process be made

8408
04:50:16,800 --> 04:50:18,480
available. I also requested.

8409
04:50:20,184 --> 04:50:20,986
The ballot delivery

8410
04:50:20,986 --> 04:50:22,200
information be available

8411
04:50:22,200 --> 04:50:22,721
because again, turnouts very

8412
04:50:22,721 --> 04:50:26,321
small for a very large group

8413
04:50:27,460 --> 04:50:31,600
of people. In closing. I have

8414
04:50:31,364 --> 04:50:32,640
a question. Because I

8415
04:50:32,640 --> 04:50:34,464
sincerely believe many people

8416
04:50:35,268 --> 04:50:37,371
were not notified. And I

8417
04:50:37,371 --> 04:50:39,439
suspect many people did not

8418
04:50:39,439 --> 04:50:40,408
get about is we cannot confirm

8419
04:50:40,408 --> 04:50:42,676
either because neither respect

8420
04:50:42,676 --> 04:50:46,276
there are aspects of what I

8421
04:50:46,514 --> 04:50:49,514
requested was dealt with. I

8422
04:50:49,885 --> 04:50:50,451
need to ask just a lack of

8423
04:50:50,451 --> 04:50:51,153
notification with the

8424
04:50:51,153 --> 04:50:52,754
possibilities of know, mean a

8425
04:50:52,754 --> 04:50:53,388
vote. No means of voting

8426
04:50:53,388 --> 04:50:55,388
affect personal property

8427
04:50:58,694 --> 04:50:59,361
rights. At this point, I think

8428
04:50:59,361 --> 04:51:01,761
you've heard enough you've

8429
04:51:01,898 --> 04:51:04,000
gotten e-mails enough to

8430
04:51:04,000 --> 04:51:04,801
understand that there's a

8431
04:51:04,801 --> 04:51:08,205
problem. This was not done in

8432
04:51:08,205 --> 04:51:10,107
a normal fashion, in my

8433
04:51:10,107 --> 04:51:10,707
opinion. And it generated

8434
04:51:10,707 --> 04:51:12,843
result that very likely

8435
04:51:12,843 --> 04:51:15,243
shouldn't of happened. Thank

8436
04:51:15,747 --> 04:51:18,747
you for listening. Thank you.

8437
04:51:24,857 --> 04:51:27,857
>> Next step we have McCAnn

8438
04:51:29,761 --> 04:51:30,796
>> Keep this brief. I believe

8439
04:51:30,796 --> 04:51:31,664
that you should. It does

8440
04:51:31,664 --> 04:51:34,701
office. I believe it is an

8441
04:51:34,701 --> 04:51:35,768
unnecessary tax on local

8442
04:51:35,768 --> 04:51:36,469
family businesses.

8443
04:51:36,469 --> 04:51:37,871
>> I believe that the way it

8444
04:51:37,871 --> 04:51:39,672
went about where many of these

8445
04:51:39,672 --> 04:51:40,707
businesses had no idea of this

8446
04:51:40,707 --> 04:51:41,375
bill.

8447
04:51:41,375 --> 04:51:43,810
>> Until I had already been

8448
04:51:43,810 --> 04:51:46,210
passed very inappropriate. I

8449
04:51:47,248 --> 04:51:47,948
also believe that the lack of

8450
04:51:47,948 --> 04:51:49,500
knowledge that they had about

8451
04:51:49,500 --> 04:51:49,751
what is in the bill, the lack

8452
04:51:49,751 --> 04:51:52,751
of details that they're given

8453
04:51:55,356 --> 04:51:56,240
about. Levy things that's it's

8454
04:51:56,240 --> 04:51:58,424
uncomfortable. And I think

8455
04:52:02,164 --> 04:52:02,898
that it gives people a lot of

8456
04:52:02,898 --> 04:52:03,565
Availability to take advantage

8457
04:52:03,565 --> 04:52:05,965
of smaller businesses when

8458
04:52:06,135 --> 04:52:07,604
there's no. Specific things

8459
04:52:07,604 --> 04:52:11,804
listed in the just gets a lot

8460
04:52:14,111 --> 04:52:14,811
of Sorry, I'm That leaves too

8461
04:52:14,811 --> 04:52:15,845
much leeway for people to get

8462
04:52:15,845 --> 04:52:16,714
taken advantage of when

8463
04:52:16,714 --> 04:52:18,714
there's not specifications.

8464
04:52:20,551 --> 04:52:21,218
Thank you.

8465
04:52:21,218 --> 04:52:24,218
>> Next step, we have great

8466
04:52:27,359 --> 04:52:29,359
Saunders.

8467
04:52:30,862 --> 04:52:32,862
>> Afternoon hours, everybody.

8468
04:52:34,666 --> 04:52:35,367
My name is Grace Saunders of

8469
04:52:35,367 --> 04:52:37,536
operating a business is beers

8470
04:52:37,536 --> 04:52:38,237
in shares in the 3100 block of

8471
04:52:38,237 --> 04:52:41,237
West Colorado last 3 years, I

8472
04:52:42,408 --> 04:52:43,109
never received notice. I

8473
04:52:43,109 --> 04:52:45,445
currently n property on 1700

8474
04:52:45,445 --> 04:52:46,800
block as well. And I never

8475
04:52:46,800 --> 04:52:48,480
received anything on that

8476
04:52:52,530 --> 04:52:53,287
either. I see if the new tax

8477
04:52:53,287 --> 04:52:54,540
lines and property on the

8478
04:52:54,540 --> 04:52:55,856
property in which that I don't

8479
04:52:55,856 --> 04:52:58,260
there in 1700 bucks a suspect

8480
04:52:58,260 --> 04:53:00,461
in it. So myself and other and

8481
04:53:00,461 --> 04:53:01,129
or my landlord from previous

8482
04:53:01,129 --> 04:53:03,529
location of the 3100 block

8483
04:53:03,932 --> 04:53:04,934
never received these notices.

8484
04:53:04,934 --> 04:53:06,680
We haven't been able to vote

8485
04:53:06,680 --> 04:53:09,680
on Feels that's unfair. And

8486
04:53:09,672 --> 04:53:12,672
we're asking just because I

8487
04:53:15,411 --> 04:53:17,381
>> public comment and support

8488
04:53:17,381 --> 04:53:18,150
move on to public public

8489
04:53:18,150 --> 04:53:18,648
comment in opposition and

8490
04:53:18,648 --> 04:53:21,648
first step we have Megan

8491
04:53:31,929 --> 04:53:33,232
Morris.

8492
04:53:33,232 --> 04:53:35,330
>> Hi, my name is Megan Morris

8493
04:53:35,330 --> 04:53:35,700
have been a small business

8494
04:53:35,700 --> 04:53:37,236
center in old Colorado City

8495
04:53:37,236 --> 04:53:38,303
for the past 5 and a half

8496
04:53:38,303 --> 04:53:41,206
years every day. See what

8497
04:53:41,206 --> 04:53:42,909
makes isis a special. It's

8498
04:53:42,909 --> 04:53:43,843
historic heart of Colorado

8499
04:53:43,843 --> 04:53:46,243
Springs. People come here

8500
04:53:46,445 --> 04:53:48,348
because of its charm as local

8501
04:53:48,348 --> 04:53:50,170
businesses and its unique

8502
04:53:50,170 --> 04:53:50,650
character. But those are

8503
04:53:50,650 --> 04:53:52,453
preserving that character

8504
04:53:52,453 --> 04:53:54,721
doesn't happen on its own. Our

8505
04:53:54,721 --> 04:53:55,389
small businesses need support

8506
04:53:55,389 --> 04:53:57,789
that goes beyond territory.

8507
04:53:58,625 --> 04:54:01,250
Days. We need year-round

8508
04:54:01,196 --> 04:54:02,497
investment to keep our streets

8509
04:54:02,497 --> 04:54:04,897
clean, safe, welcoming and

8510
04:54:05,300 --> 04:54:06,402
thriving. We need a long-term

8511
04:54:06,402 --> 04:54:08,802
strategy. The helps businesses

8512
04:54:09,270 --> 04:54:11,173
stay open and succeed. That's

8513
04:54:11,173 --> 04:54:13,420
why having the voter approved

8514
04:54:13,420 --> 04:54:15,420
downtown development

8515
04:54:15,878 --> 04:54:17,881
authority. It's so important

8516
04:54:17,881 --> 04:54:20,416
the need for the da in

8517
04:54:20,416 --> 04:54:21,117
Colorado City is no longer a

8518
04:54:21,117 --> 04:54:24,117
nice to have. It's essential

8519
04:54:24,321 --> 04:54:26,357
to our future. For years. The

8520
04:54:26,357 --> 04:54:27,391
Old Colorado Cities

8521
04:54:27,391 --> 04:54:28,992
Association has relied on an

8522
04:54:28,992 --> 04:54:29,894
incredible group of

8523
04:54:29,894 --> 04:54:32,294
volunteers. They poured their

8524
04:54:32,731 --> 04:54:34,699
hearts into the district,

8525
04:54:34,699 --> 04:54:36,668
organizing events, supporting

8526
04:54:36,668 --> 04:54:37,569
businesses advocating for the

8527
04:54:37,569 --> 04:54:39,404
neighborhood and helping

8528
04:54:39,404 --> 04:54:40,380
preserve everything that makes

8529
04:54:40,380 --> 04:54:42,438
acc special. But they're

8530
04:54:43,508 --> 04:54:45,508
exhausted. Volunteers cannot

8531
04:54:46,745 --> 04:54:47,380
be expected to carry the

8532
04:54:47,380 --> 04:54:49,380
long-term responsibility.

8533
04:54:49,482 --> 04:54:50,484
Economic development,

8534
04:54:50,484 --> 04:54:51,984
unification, marketing

8535
04:54:51,984 --> 04:54:53,419
business support and strategic

8536
04:54:53,419 --> 04:54:55,155
planning. They are overworked

8537
04:54:55,155 --> 04:54:58,755
and that model is simply not

8538
04:54:59,793 --> 04:55:00,495
so stable. It is easy to

8539
04:55:00,495 --> 04:55:03,495
overlook this when you're not

8540
04:55:04,632 --> 04:55:07,350
living it every day. Those of

8541
04:55:07,350 --> 04:55:07,935
us who owned businesses here

8542
04:55:07,935 --> 04:55:11,535
work here, invest our lives in

8543
04:55:12,240 --> 04:55:13,420
old Colorado City. We see the

8544
04:55:13,420 --> 04:55:15,100
challenges firsthand. We also

8545
04:55:15,100 --> 04:55:17,100
see the incredible

8546
04:55:17,180 --> 04:55:18,113
opportunity. We know that this

8547
04:55:18,113 --> 04:55:19,949
district could we know what

8548
04:55:19,949 --> 04:55:21,817
this district could become

8549
04:55:21,817 --> 04:55:24,817
with the right resources? We

8550
04:55:25,221 --> 04:55:27,900
need dedicated staff,

8551
04:55:27,900 --> 04:55:28,625
sustainable funding and a

8552
04:55:28,625 --> 04:55:31,250
strategic plan just like

8553
04:55:31,962 --> 04:55:32,530
downtown Colorado Springs Hass

8554
04:55:32,530 --> 04:55:34,264
dda would provide the

8555
04:55:34,264 --> 04:55:35,333
structure and leadership

8556
04:55:35,333 --> 04:55:38,333
needed to keep our streets

8557
04:55:38,436 --> 04:55:39,304
clean, improve safety,

8558
04:55:39,304 --> 04:55:41,139
support. Small businesses

8559
04:55:41,139 --> 04:55:43,740
ensure that this historic

8560
04:55:43,740 --> 04:55:45,474
district continues to strive

8561
04:55:47,346 --> 04:55:48,981
and not just survive.

8562
04:55:48,981 --> 04:55:49,649
Investing in occ is investing

8563
04:55:49,649 --> 04:55:52,649
in one a Colorado Springs,

8564
04:55:53,319 --> 04:55:54,200
greatest assets. A thriving

8565
04:55:54,200 --> 04:55:56,200
historic district strengthens

8566
04:55:56,489 --> 04:55:58,291
our local economy. It supports

8567
04:55:58,291 --> 04:55:59,993
small businesses that create

8568
04:55:59,993 --> 04:56:00,661
jobs and it preserves the

8569
04:56:00,661 --> 04:56:03,300
place that both registered

8570
04:56:03,300 --> 04:56:05,232
residents and visitors love.

8571
04:56:05,232 --> 04:56:07,368
Please not do away with the

8572
04:56:07,368 --> 04:56:09,437
dda. Please give old Colorado

8573
04:56:09,437 --> 04:56:11,205
City. The tools, resources and

8574
04:56:11,205 --> 04:56:11,872
support it needs to continue

8575
04:56:11,872 --> 04:56:14,272
thriving for generations to

8576
04:56:15,611 --> 04:56:17,779
come. Really wish that we

8577
04:56:17,779 --> 04:56:18,881
would have been able to be in

8578
04:56:18,881 --> 04:56:20,150
sooner today. I personally

8579
04:56:20,150 --> 04:56:23,520
close my small business to be

8580
04:56:23,520 --> 04:56:24,219
here today. Interest I am.

8581
04:56:24,219 --> 04:56:26,188
Along my other small business

8582
04:56:26,188 --> 04:56:29,188
owners. This is so incredibly

8583
04:56:29,292 --> 04:56:30,260
important to us. So thank you

8584
04:56:30,260 --> 04:56:33,626
for hearing Thank you for your

8585
04:56:38,836 --> 04:56:41,836
time. Next. Stepping up been

8586
04:56:53,718 --> 04:56:55,621
fryer.

8587
04:56:55,621 --> 04:56:56,723
>> I'm Robin I'm general

8588
04:56:56,723 --> 04:56:57,356
manager family owner of the

8589
04:56:57,356 --> 04:56:57,957
Rocky Mountain Chocolate

8590
04:56:57,957 --> 04:57:00,357
Factory. That's been in

8591
04:57:00,527 --> 04:57:02,527
operation since 1982. My

8592
04:57:02,896 --> 04:57:06,496
family has been on our app

8593
04:57:06,733 --> 04:57:07,400
Raiders for the last 25 years.

8594
04:57:07,400 --> 04:57:09,203
We are merchants, building

8595
04:57:09,203 --> 04:57:11,472
owners and restaurants of car

8596
04:57:11,472 --> 04:57:14,472
to city area. Running a

8597
04:57:14,876 --> 04:57:16,544
business. No cholera city

8598
04:57:16,544 --> 04:57:17,211
coming challenges because we

8599
04:57:17,211 --> 04:57:20,211
must rely on the volunteers

8600
04:57:21,150 --> 04:57:21,884
all current is city

8601
04:57:21,884 --> 04:57:22,551
Association are also merchants

8602
04:57:22,551 --> 04:57:25,187
mark hard to raise funds to

8603
04:57:25,187 --> 04:57:28,787
promote the area. The occ dda

8604
04:57:29,910 --> 04:57:30,894
is an investment in our future

8605
04:57:30,894 --> 04:57:32,280
and local businesses an

8606
04:57:32,280 --> 04:57:32,662
organized and dedicated voice

8607
04:57:32,662 --> 04:57:35,620
to market manage growth.

8608
04:57:37,835 --> 04:57:39,835
Internally. Occ business

8609
04:57:39,837 --> 04:57:40,504
owners and residents are prone

8610
04:57:40,504 --> 04:57:44,104
violent part of the city of

8611
04:57:45,143 --> 04:57:45,844
Colorado Springs. Local

8612
04:57:45,844 --> 04:57:46,577
families bring their visitors

8613
04:57:46,577 --> 04:57:50,177
to La Cara City, frankly, need

8614
04:57:53,152 --> 04:57:55,253
experience. By different tour

8615
04:57:55,253 --> 04:57:57,253
5 different spring, roughly

8616
04:57:58,991 --> 04:57:59,692
6200 from MAY to SEPTEMBER and

8617
04:57:59,692 --> 04:58:03,292
make it acc a destination on

8618
04:58:03,963 --> 04:58:05,232
their trip to Colorado.

8619
04:58:05,232 --> 04:58:05,965
Shopping, the quaint and are

8620
04:58:05,965 --> 04:58:07,234
quite old town atmosphere and

8621
04:58:07,234 --> 04:58:09,234
enjoying lunch restaurants

8622
04:58:10,370 --> 04:58:13,637
where locals had that. Some of

8623
04:58:14,175 --> 04:58:14,876
them as best of conduct I'm

8624
04:58:14,876 --> 04:58:19,760
here today to ask you to vote

8625
04:58:19,647 --> 04:58:20,449
no on dissolving the tva. The

8626
04:58:20,449 --> 04:58:24,490
dda will o'Connor the city the

8627
04:58:24,286 --> 04:58:26,187
opportunity to enhance the

8628
04:58:26,187 --> 04:58:28,390
success of businesses increase

8629
04:58:28,390 --> 04:58:29,124
property values and continue

8630
04:58:29,124 --> 04:58:30,993
to provide the locals and

8631
04:58:30,993 --> 04:58:32,940
visitors with unique

8632
04:58:32,940 --> 04:58:34,430
experience and her historical

8633
04:58:34,430 --> 04:58:34,964
area with in Colorado Springs.

8634
04:58:34,964 --> 04:58:37,364
Thank you for your

8635
04:58:40,503 --> 04:58:42,503
consideration.

8636
04:58:47,678 --> 04:58:49,914
>> Next step we have to

8637
04:58:49,914 --> 04:58:53,514
>> Thank you for your time. My

8638
04:58:54,152 --> 04:58:54,953
name is Kesha Crespin. My

8639
04:58:54,953 --> 04:58:56,888
family has been a part of acc

8640
04:58:56,888 --> 04:58:58,570
for over 50 years. My

8641
04:58:58,570 --> 04:59:01,570
grandmother had a beauty shop

8642
04:59:02,128 --> 04:59:02,794
there in the 70's and today

8643
04:59:02,794 --> 04:59:03,496
after retiring from the

8644
04:59:03,496 --> 04:59:05,896
federal services. 21 e for 24

8645
04:59:06,299 --> 04:59:09,335
years. I now run a small

8646
04:59:09,335 --> 04:59:10,700
business on Colorado Avenue.

8647
04:59:10,700 --> 04:59:12,972
I'm also a volunteer at Cos

8648
04:59:12,972 --> 04:59:15,972
Hope warming center. Well, I

8649
04:59:17,511 --> 04:59:18,211
see firsthand now how much cc

8650
04:59:18,211 --> 04:59:18,779
continues to struggle and how

8651
04:59:18,779 --> 04:59:21,179
much it still needs,

8652
04:59:24,510 --> 04:59:25,153
coordinated support. I've

8653
04:59:25,153 --> 04:59:26,788
traveled all over the country

8654
04:59:26,788 --> 04:59:27,522
and in almost every city, the

8655
04:59:27,522 --> 04:59:29,922
historic district is treasured

8656
04:59:30,992 --> 04:59:31,659
and invested in. All Colorado

8657
04:59:31,659 --> 04:59:33,950
City. The original heart of

8658
04:59:33,950 --> 04:59:35,495
the city deserves respect.

8659
04:59:37,267 --> 04:59:37,867
>> And resources. Westside

8660
04:59:37,867 --> 04:59:39,802
businesses have watched

8661
04:59:39,802 --> 04:59:40,536
corporate corridors and large

8662
04:59:40,536 --> 04:59:41,470
developers received

8663
04:59:41,470 --> 04:59:43,470
significant support and

8664
04:59:44,674 --> 04:59:45,309
attention. Meanwhile, the

8665
04:59:45,309 --> 04:59:47,709
small business is barely

8666
04:59:48,946 --> 04:59:51,281
hanging onto c c. Receive or

8667
04:59:51,281 --> 04:59:52,850
see the concept. Homelessness,

8668
04:59:52,850 --> 04:59:54,850
aging infrastructure and

8669
04:59:54,852 --> 04:59:55,489
safety concerns with no ported

8670
04:59:55,489 --> 04:59:57,489
coordinated mechanism to

8671
04:59:58,256 --> 05:00:01,256
address them. The dda finally

8672
05:00:01,894 --> 05:00:03,528
gives us that mechanism. It

8673
05:00:03,528 --> 05:00:05,164
gives over 400 independent

8674
05:00:05,164 --> 05:00:06,320
Westside business is a unified

8675
05:00:06,320 --> 05:00:09,632
voice and a structured way to

8676
05:00:09,935 --> 05:00:10,603
improve district, removing it.

8677
05:00:10,603 --> 05:00:13,300
Maybe we've this fragmented

8678
05:00:13,172 --> 05:00:14,707
and I'm protected. As someone

8679
05:00:14,707 --> 05:00:16,409
trying to retire into my shot

8680
05:00:16,409 --> 05:00:20,900
and barely hanging on. I can

8681
05:00:20,780 --> 05:00:21,615
tell you firsthand we need

8682
05:00:21,615 --> 05:00:24,150
stability. We need investment

8683
05:00:24,519 --> 05:00:29,123
and we need it. E d a. In

8684
05:00:29,123 --> 05:00:29,690
closing. Urge you to vote no

8685
05:00:29,690 --> 05:00:30,392
disillusion, respect

8686
05:00:30,392 --> 05:00:33,392
democracy. This was voted by

8687
05:00:35,263 --> 05:00:36,980
the people. Respect our

8688
05:00:36,980 --> 05:00:37,967
election results allow the dda

8689
05:00:37,967 --> 05:00:39,902
board to finish its

8690
05:00:39,902 --> 05:00:41,170
development plan. Give a

8691
05:00:41,170 --> 05:00:41,871
Colorado city. The dedicated

8692
05:00:41,871 --> 05:00:43,773
represents representation it

8693
05:00:43,773 --> 05:00:44,440
earned at the ballot box. And

8694
05:00:44,440 --> 05:00:48,400
thank you for your time and

8695
05:00:49,512 --> 05:00:51,512
your service.

8696
05:01:04,896 --> 05:01:07,266
>> Next step we have vast.

8697
05:01:07,266 --> 05:01:09,266
You

8698
05:01:13,500 --> 05:01:14,306
turned it off. My Okay.

8699
05:01:14,306 --> 05:01:15,400
>> Hey, everyone hates public

8700
05:01:15,400 --> 05:01:17,243
speaking. So thank you so much

8701
05:01:17,243 --> 05:01:19,120
for your time. As many of you

8702
05:01:19,120 --> 05:01:19,712
know, I was on the

8703
05:01:19,712 --> 05:01:21,347
organization of Westside

8704
05:01:21,347 --> 05:01:23,450
Neighbors Board in Carta City

8705
05:01:23,450 --> 05:01:25,850
partnership board since about

8706
05:01:26,219 --> 05:01:27,187
2015. So you might remember

8707
05:01:27,187 --> 05:01:28,890
names like David Bracket and

8708
05:01:28,890 --> 05:01:30,524
Jonathan Eley and well in

8709
05:01:30,524 --> 05:01:31,159
Clark, lots of different

8710
05:01:31,159 --> 05:01:33,559
volunteers that have been

8711
05:01:33,562 --> 05:01:35,563
involved in spearheading a

8712
05:01:35,563 --> 05:01:36,631
solution. Cause. You're right.

8713
05:01:36,631 --> 05:01:37,999
It's confusing. Could we

8714
05:01:37,999 --> 05:01:38,701
talked to? There's lots of

8715
05:01:38,701 --> 05:01:40,669
different boards. And so this

8716
05:01:40,669 --> 05:01:41,570
was part of the conversation

8717
05:01:41,570 --> 05:01:43,906
to help our community in

8718
05:01:43,906 --> 05:01:45,906
streamlining problem solving.

8719
05:01:48,100 --> 05:01:49,813
So in 2018, these volunteers

8720
05:01:49,813 --> 05:01:50,480
hired dci out of Denver,

8721
05:01:50,480 --> 05:01:52,820
downtown downtown Colorado,

8722
05:01:52,820 --> 05:01:53,650
incorporated to say what do we

8723
05:01:53,650 --> 05:01:54,384
do? And so there is an

8724
05:01:54,384 --> 05:01:56,784
assessment done and that

8725
05:01:58,388 --> 05:01:59,560
assessment lead to hey, let's

8726
05:01:59,560 --> 05:02:00,357
look at a special districts

8727
05:02:00,357 --> 05:02:01,240
along with some really other

8728
05:02:01,240 --> 05:02:02,293
fun things like the lights

8729
05:02:02,293 --> 05:02:04,562
over colder in court. Really

8730
05:02:04,562 --> 05:02:05,563
branding our community. But

8731
05:02:05,563 --> 05:02:07,963
they said special districts,

8732
05:02:09,234 --> 05:02:10,903
we raise the money. In fact,

8733
05:02:10,903 --> 05:02:13,303
$30,000 of that 72 raised came

8734
05:02:13,806 --> 05:02:16,175
from the city of Colorado

8735
05:02:16,175 --> 05:02:17,910
Springs and we were surprised

8736
05:02:17,910 --> 05:02:18,777
just like everyone else that a

8737
05:02:18,777 --> 05:02:19,512
dd a was suggested instead of

8738
05:02:19,512 --> 05:02:23,712
a bit. We thought it was going

8739
05:02:24,283 --> 05:02:26,386
to be a bit. And guess who

8740
05:02:26,386 --> 05:02:27,487
vetted that? The Mayor City

8741
05:02:27,487 --> 05:02:28,222
council, every single city

8742
05:02:28,222 --> 05:02:29,523
department we had to talk to

8743
05:02:29,523 --> 05:02:30,290
to make sure we could have a

8744
05:02:30,290 --> 05:02:33,890
second dda in that tool was

8745
05:02:34,762 --> 05:02:36,364
correct. So I'm just reminders

8746
05:02:36,364 --> 05:02:39,333
you've heard this already with

8747
05:02:39,333 --> 05:02:42,333
some of our board members

8748
05:02:42,403 --> 05:02:43,370
here, but there were focus So

8749
05:02:43,370 --> 05:02:43,973
you're right. Some of the

8750
05:02:43,973 --> 05:02:45,774
focus groups only had 7 to 9

8751
05:02:45,774 --> 05:02:48,174
people because they're a

8752
05:02:48,877 --> 05:02:50,946
business owners. And we really

8753
05:02:50,946 --> 05:02:52,248
deep dive conversations. But

8754
05:02:52,248 --> 05:02:55,285
we had tons of focus group

8755
05:02:55,285 --> 05:02:58,285
meetings, tons of surveys and

8756
05:02:59,189 --> 05:03:01,292
again, the dda was vetted and

8757
05:03:01,292 --> 05:03:02,693
concluded upon because of the

8758
05:03:02,693 --> 05:03:03,427
input of these surveys. So

8759
05:03:03,427 --> 05:03:06,427
folks said they identified occ

8760
05:03:06,864 --> 05:03:09,864
is the entire corridor not

8761
05:03:09,867 --> 05:03:11,269
just a blocks of that shopping

8762
05:03:11,269 --> 05:03:12,300
district. So again, concluding

8763
05:03:12,300 --> 05:03:12,570
that this was the right based

8764
05:03:12,570 --> 05:03:15,570
on the input from the

8765
05:03:16,541 --> 05:03:18,210
residents. So I think that's

8766
05:03:18,210 --> 05:03:18,944
super cool are willing to tax

8767
05:03:18,944 --> 05:03:21,314
ourselves. We're willing to do

8768
05:03:21,314 --> 05:03:22,281
that. And guess what? The

8769
05:03:22,281 --> 05:03:23,449
people that don't want to

8770
05:03:23,449 --> 05:03:25,951
we're going to go back to the

8771
05:03:25,951 --> 05:03:26,553
ballot if you don't dissolve

8772
05:03:26,553 --> 05:03:27,220
us and we'll have more

8773
05:03:27,220 --> 05:03:29,189
opportunity talk to people

8774
05:03:29,189 --> 05:03:31,591
about that tech scene question

8775
05:03:31,591 --> 05:03:33,991
because that question didn't

8776
05:03:34,261 --> 05:03:36,463
pass it. But the dda spreads

8777
05:03:36,463 --> 05:03:37,131
the burden across that entire

8778
05:03:37,131 --> 05:03:39,333
corridor. Instead of just a

8779
05:03:39,333 --> 05:03:40,267
few blocks to. So the tax is

8780
05:03:40,267 --> 05:03:43,867
less and that was on purpose

8781
05:03:44,506 --> 05:03:45,140
as well. We do. The due

8782
05:03:45,140 --> 05:03:48,140
diligence now need to get

8783
05:03:48,143 --> 05:03:48,978
across the finish line. Let

8784
05:03:48,978 --> 05:03:49,845
invest in ourselves and not

8785
05:03:49,845 --> 05:03:52,845
dissolve the dda. Thank you.

8786
05:03:53,816 --> 05:03:54,484
Thank you.

8787
05:03:54,484 --> 05:03:57,484
>> Next step we have Julia

8788
05:04:04,600 --> 05:04:07,600
Evans. Next step. We have

8789
05:04:09,566 --> 05:04:11,566
Karen Hazelhurst.

8790
05:04:11,903 --> 05:04:12,203
>> Good afternoon thank you

8791
05:04:12,203 --> 05:04:14,203
all.

8792
05:04:15,673 --> 05:04:17,776
>> My name is Karen Hazelhurst

8793
05:04:17,776 --> 05:04:20,945
and I have been on Colorado

8794
05:04:20,945 --> 05:04:21,447
City Association board for 8

8795
05:04:21,447 --> 05:04:22,248
years.

8796
05:04:22,248 --> 05:04:25,830
>> and I've been on the

8797
05:04:25,830 --> 05:04:26,251
marketing committee for that

8798
05:04:26,251 --> 05:04:29,251
long. And as Megan talked

8799
05:04:29,588 --> 05:04:30,122
about the burdens.

8800
05:04:30,122 --> 05:04:30,856
>> On the volunteer

8801
05:04:30,856 --> 05:04:33,856
organization that we've had up

8802
05:04:35,229 --> 05:04:36,496
to now. It's it's been great

8803
05:04:36,496 --> 05:04:39,496
because we've been trying to

8804
05:04:40,167 --> 05:04:41,334
help all the businesses I've

8805
05:04:41,334 --> 05:04:42,700
taken calls from businesses

8806
05:04:42,700 --> 05:04:44,739
talked through the night. I've

8807
05:04:44,739 --> 05:04:48,339
been in others the worst. We

8808
05:04:48,810 --> 05:04:49,577
want to really Colorado c

8809
05:04:49,577 --> 05:04:53,177
develop and grow and have, you

8810
05:04:53,415 --> 05:04:54,250
know, opportunity for

8811
05:04:54,250 --> 05:04:55,217
restructure. And you can't do

8812
05:04:55,217 --> 05:04:58,217
that with a volunteer board.

8813
05:04:58,787 --> 05:05:00,355
And I was really excited when

8814
05:05:00,355 --> 05:05:03,459
the voters voted to have this

8815
05:05:03,459 --> 05:05:06,459
tda that would help Colorado

8816
05:05:07,130 --> 05:05:10,130
City, you know, and it's

8817
05:05:10,534 --> 05:05:13,400
already been voted. I will

8818
05:05:13,400 --> 05:05:16,604
tell you, I live in all

8819
05:05:16,741 --> 05:05:19,578
Colorado City out of the

8820
05:05:19,578 --> 05:05:22,146
geographic district for me to

8821
05:05:22,146 --> 05:05:22,848
I live on vision history and I

8822
05:05:22,848 --> 05:05:24,315
have since I moved here in

8823
05:05:24,315 --> 05:05:27,315
2007, my husband on his or

8824
05:05:27,853 --> 05:05:30,853
hers had since 2000, he once

8825
05:05:31,624 --> 05:05:32,858
on city Council to so, you

8826
05:05:32,858 --> 05:05:34,260
know, I understand the dilemma

8827
05:05:34,260 --> 05:05:36,929
and the decisions that you

8828
05:05:36,929 --> 05:05:38,131
have to make. But asking you

8829
05:05:38,131 --> 05:05:40,968
to please, you know, look at

8830
05:05:40,968 --> 05:05:43,136
this and help the West side.

8831
05:05:43,136 --> 05:05:45,720
You know, grow with the

8832
05:05:45,720 --> 05:05:48,720
dedicated team of people and

8833
05:05:48,809 --> 05:05:50,845
money to do this. Volunteer

8834
05:05:50,845 --> 05:05:52,460
organization can't keep up

8835
05:05:52,460 --> 05:05:55,646
that growth for that long. So

8836
05:05:57,786 --> 05:05:59,154
please vote no and let the dda

8837
05:05:59,154 --> 05:06:00,890
Megan. I loved what Megan

8838
05:06:00,890 --> 05:06:02,124
said. You know about the

8839
05:06:02,124 --> 05:06:04,524
businesses about having an

8840
05:06:07,330 --> 05:06:08,731
organized, the da and the plan

8841
05:06:08,731 --> 05:06:11,131
is already being organized.

8842
05:06:11,367 --> 05:06:13,103
Now, I know Adam has that in

8843
05:06:13,103 --> 05:06:15,710
front of you. And you know, we

8844
05:06:15,710 --> 05:06:16,307
plan to take that flow. You

8845
05:06:16,307 --> 05:06:19,977
know, I I listened to some of

8846
05:06:19,977 --> 05:06:21,546
the people that talked about

8847
05:06:21,546 --> 05:06:24,482
not getting the paper work not

8848
05:06:24,482 --> 05:06:25,484
getting all of that. I was at

8849
05:06:25,484 --> 05:06:28,153
a lot of those meetings when

8850
05:06:28,153 --> 05:06:30,553
the consulting company, you

8851
05:06:30,656 --> 05:06:31,423
know, they had sent out all of

8852
05:06:31,423 --> 05:06:32,570
that and gave everybody

8853
05:06:32,570 --> 05:06:34,570
residents and commercial

8854
05:06:36,662 --> 05:06:37,329
businesses, the opportunity to

8855
05:06:37,329 --> 05:06:38,300
come in here about what was

8856
05:06:38,300 --> 05:06:39,566
happening. And, you know, it

8857
05:06:39,566 --> 05:06:41,267
might not out to everybody,

8858
05:06:41,267 --> 05:06:42,502
but I know that they need to

8859
05:06:42,502 --> 05:06:46,102
do that. And so police say

8860
05:06:46,373 --> 05:06:49,373
now. Thank you. Thank you.

8861
05:06:49,510 --> 05:06:51,910
>> Next step Timothy Talent.

8862
05:06:52,947 --> 05:06:54,947
Timothy Trail.

8863
05:06:56,151 --> 05:06:58,687
>> Sorry, I don't hear very

8864
05:06:58,687 --> 05:06:59,354
The veteran try to brain

8865
05:06:59,354 --> 05:07:01,890
injury, business center and

8866
05:07:01,890 --> 05:07:03,489
occ pretty need there

8867
05:07:05,940 --> 05:07:05,961
specifically chose that place

8868
05:07:05,961 --> 05:07:09,561
because I'm at the people and

8869
05:07:10,166 --> 05:07:10,966
it's a great community have

8870
05:07:10,966 --> 05:07:12,340
dedicated myself to mental

8871
05:07:12,340 --> 05:07:15,340
health working in that field

8872
05:07:16,708 --> 05:07:19,809
for the last 25 years as a

8873
05:07:19,809 --> 05:07:21,712
professor counseling know, cut

8874
05:07:21,712 --> 05:07:22,547
especially in. And I've really

8875
05:07:22,547 --> 05:07:23,247
been able to my wife and I

8876
05:07:23,247 --> 05:07:26,840
started a little store there

8877
05:07:26,840 --> 05:07:26,784
where we can just come meet

8878
05:07:26,784 --> 05:07:29,554
with the community and really

8879
05:07:29,554 --> 05:07:30,354
make something of it. We do

8880
05:07:30,354 --> 05:07:33,354
need stability We do need

8881
05:07:36,395 --> 05:07:37,629
support. I was just looking at

8882
05:07:37,629 --> 05:07:40,629
over we got roughly about 400

8883
05:07:41,100 --> 05:07:41,801
small businesses in that area.

8884
05:07:41,801 --> 05:07:45,401
But let's just break it down.

8885
05:07:45,705 --> 05:07:46,339
If we take 100 and that strip

8886
05:07:46,339 --> 05:07:49,339
right there, it's about a

8887
05:07:49,909 --> 05:07:52,909
little bit over 100 and at

8888
05:07:54,140 --> 05:07:57,140
3.0, 0, 7, tax that we get in

8889
05:07:57,117 --> 05:07:59,520
revenue to goes to Colorado

8890
05:07:59,520 --> 05:08:01,323
Springs. That comes to about

8891
05:08:01,323 --> 05:08:03,323
1.0, 2, 3 million dollars a

8892
05:08:03,826 --> 05:08:06,629
year that we give to Colorado

8893
05:08:06,629 --> 05:08:08,597
Springs threw ourselves tax.

8894
05:08:08,597 --> 05:08:09,832
So I'd say we're doing pretty

8895
05:08:09,832 --> 05:08:11,333
good. Even thanks. Only about

8896
05:08:11,333 --> 05:08:12,670
100 a little bit over 100

8897
05:08:12,670 --> 05:08:14,467
businesses, not even including

8898
05:08:21,440 --> 05:08:21,678
all the rest. So. Just in the

8899
05:08:21,678 --> 05:08:22,345
last months to businesses

8900
05:08:22,345 --> 05:08:24,745
close their door within 100

8901
05:08:26,784 --> 05:08:27,752
yards me couple of weeks ago,

8902
05:08:27,752 --> 05:08:28,619
another business down the

8903
05:08:28,619 --> 05:08:29,253
street said they're going to

8904
05:08:29,253 --> 05:08:29,953
have to close their doors

8905
05:08:29,953 --> 05:08:32,953
after being open for several

8906
05:08:33,859 --> 05:08:34,893
years. Not been there very

8907
05:08:34,893 --> 05:08:38,363
long. Some of you have already

8908
05:08:38,363 --> 05:08:39,264
said that they're struggling.

8909
05:08:39,264 --> 05:08:39,932
We were only been there 6 and

8910
05:08:39,932 --> 05:08:42,568
a half months. We're seeing

8911
05:08:42,568 --> 05:08:43,202
that every day with their

8912
05:08:43,202 --> 05:08:45,602
neighbors, how people are

8913
05:08:48,375 --> 05:08:49,109
struggling in. Speeding is

8914
05:08:49,109 --> 05:08:52,345
starting happen up. We had too

8915
05:08:52,345 --> 05:08:53,146
many hit by a car couple weeks

8916
05:08:53,146 --> 05:08:53,680
ago on things like that. It's

8917
05:08:53,680 --> 05:08:56,800
just it's just very

8918
05:08:57,618 --> 05:08:59,720
interesting thing to see. If

8919
05:08:59,720 --> 05:09:01,823
we follow that. If we don't

8920
05:09:01,823 --> 05:09:03,691
get the support we need, let's

8921
05:09:03,691 --> 05:09:04,826
say we do people losing

8922
05:09:04,826 --> 05:09:07,826
people. If we lose roughly

8923
05:09:11,600 --> 05:09:13,301
70%. Doors close over the next

8924
05:09:13,301 --> 05:09:13,970
3, 5, years, that's almost a

8925
05:09:13,970 --> 05:09:15,370
million dollars a year. The

8926
05:09:15,370 --> 05:09:17,770
Colorado Springs loses for

8927
05:09:19,275 --> 05:09:19,909
free. I mean, in joint a time

8928
05:09:19,909 --> 05:09:22,612
into I mean, that's a lot

8929
05:09:22,612 --> 05:09:23,346
million dollars a year. And

8930
05:09:23,346 --> 05:09:25,480
that's that's remember. That's

8931
05:09:25,480 --> 05:09:27,448
a very conservative number.

8932
05:09:27,585 --> 05:09:28,218
It's only based off of 100

8933
05:09:28,218 --> 05:09:30,120
small businesses. There's

8934
05:09:30,120 --> 05:09:33,560
around 400 in that area. So

8935
05:09:33,560 --> 05:09:35,826
that's a huge number. Bigger

8936
05:09:35,826 --> 05:09:37,529
than a million dollars year to

8937
05:09:37,529 --> 05:09:39,929
roughly 160,000 to be exact.

8938
05:09:41,667 --> 05:09:43,701
Pretty close to a million and

8939
05:09:43,701 --> 05:09:44,336
for and for those and only got

8940
05:09:44,336 --> 05:09:46,736
14 seconds. For those who

8941
05:09:47,773 --> 05:09:48,474
weren't guy wasn't either. But

8942
05:09:48,474 --> 05:09:49,174
you don't know about the dd n

8943
05:09:49,174 --> 05:09:52,878
stuff can be a part of it. If

8944
05:09:52,878 --> 05:09:53,580
it if keeps going or if we

8945
05:09:53,580 --> 05:09:54,313
have to keep volunteering on

8946
05:09:54,313 --> 05:09:57,830
our own for nothing, come be a

8947
05:09:57,830 --> 05:09:59,853
part of it. Neighbors said the

8948
05:09:59,853 --> 05:10:00,520
family and be supportive.

8949
05:10:00,520 --> 05:10:02,920
Appreciate your time. Thank

8950
05:10:04,458 --> 05:10:05,125
you that.

8951
05:10:05,125 --> 05:10:08,125
>> Next step we have Andrea

8952
05:10:11,265 --> 05:10:13,665
Warner. Andria Warner. Jim

8953
05:10:18,107 --> 05:10:20,107
Richardson.

8954
05:10:21,277 --> 05:10:23,277
>> Thank you. PRESIDENT

8955
05:10:24,280 --> 05:10:25,414
Council and the council

8956
05:10:25,414 --> 05:10:26,115
members. My name is Jim

8957
05:10:26,115 --> 05:10:29,115
Richardson. I'm a resident in

8958
05:10:33,857 --> 05:10:34,525
old Colorado City I am a voted

8959
05:10:34,525 --> 05:10:38,125
board member of the occ Dd

8960
05:10:39,630 --> 05:10:40,364
a&m. Start is this way the

8961
05:10:40,364 --> 05:10:42,364
downtown development authority

8962
05:10:45,370 --> 05:10:48,273
dda. You know, Caryn his city

8963
05:10:48,273 --> 05:10:48,974
is the result of a citizen led

8964
05:10:48,974 --> 05:10:50,876
initiative approved by voters

8965
05:10:50,876 --> 05:10:53,876
in 19. I'm sorry in 2024. Our

8966
05:10:54,447 --> 05:10:57,447
goal. Was to let independent

8967
05:10:58,840 --> 05:10:59,118
Westside business owners and

8968
05:10:59,118 --> 05:11:01,955
residents have a say in how

8969
05:11:01,955 --> 05:11:04,955
they want to they're the

8970
05:11:05,792 --> 05:11:08,792
historical value of occ. The

8971
05:11:09,129 --> 05:11:11,131
occ dda would give local mom

8972
05:11:11,131 --> 05:11:13,301
pot shops. The market in

8973
05:11:13,301 --> 05:11:14,100
vehicle that the historic

8974
05:11:14,100 --> 05:11:16,401
district in management to

8975
05:11:16,537 --> 05:11:18,937
manage the growth internally

8976
05:11:19,975 --> 05:11:21,409
and not be in a mercy.

8977
05:11:21,409 --> 05:11:23,409
Large-scale developers are

8978
05:11:24,580 --> 05:11:27,160
retail chains. The bottom line

8979
05:11:27,160 --> 05:11:29,451
again, he's the occ dda was

8980
05:11:29,451 --> 05:11:33,651
formed to let the occ have a

8981
05:11:34,910 --> 05:11:35,258
voice at the table. To achieve

8982
05:11:35,258 --> 05:11:38,258
this goal. As mentioned before

8983
05:11:38,495 --> 05:11:40,364
over thought 70,000 dollars

8984
05:11:40,364 --> 05:11:41,320
are spent to hire a special

8985
05:11:41,320 --> 05:11:43,320
district consultant Centro

8986
05:11:44,769 --> 05:11:46,638
Incorporated. None of this all

8987
05:11:46,638 --> 05:11:49,641
this money came first to pay

8988
05:11:49,641 --> 05:11:52,410
for this consultant. Was

8989
05:11:53,312 --> 05:11:55,712
donation? Some private funds.

8990
05:11:57,349 --> 05:11:59,118
As well as stated early as the

8991
05:11:59,118 --> 05:12:01,118
city's community development

8992
05:12:01,454 --> 05:12:02,254
and economic development

8993
05:12:02,254 --> 05:12:02,822
departments and the Colorado

8994
05:12:02,822 --> 05:12:04,822
Springs Urban Renewal

8995
05:12:06,192 --> 05:12:08,192
Authority. To engage

8996
05:12:10,640 --> 05:12:10,731
stockholders are stakeholders

8997
05:12:10,731 --> 05:12:13,968
Centro on behalf of the occ

8998
05:12:13,968 --> 05:12:16,368
partnership. Mailed surveys to

8999
05:12:17,371 --> 05:12:18,240
property owners and registered

9000
05:12:18,240 --> 05:12:21,750
voters within those with saint

9001
05:12:21,750 --> 05:12:21,909
in the boundaries. In question

9002
05:12:21,909 --> 05:12:23,909
and held informational

9003
05:12:24,379 --> 05:12:26,379
meetings for residents,

9004
05:12:26,682 --> 05:12:29,820
business owners and property

9005
05:12:29,451 --> 05:12:30,687
owners as well as occ related

9006
05:12:30,687 --> 05:12:33,687
board members and city of

9007
05:12:34,991 --> 05:12:35,758
Colorado Springs staff. With

9008
05:12:35,758 --> 05:12:37,694
feedback and months of review

9009
05:12:37,694 --> 05:12:41,264
in the best way to manage and

9010
05:12:41,264 --> 05:12:41,898
fun improvements in occ. I Dd

9011
05:12:41,898 --> 05:12:44,898
a was considered the best

9012
05:12:47,500 --> 05:12:48,772
option. Based on this

9013
05:12:48,772 --> 05:12:51,172
research, the council referred

9014
05:12:53,278 --> 05:12:54,112
creation of the dda to a vote.

9015
05:12:54,112 --> 05:12:54,779
Of residents and commercial

9016
05:12:54,779 --> 05:12:57,179
property owners inside the

9017
05:12:57,782 --> 05:13:00,182
proposed dda boundaries. The

9018
05:13:02,788 --> 05:13:06,388
dda formation past. And a vote

9019
05:13:06,692 --> 05:13:08,762
can of this community. I see

9020
05:13:08,762 --> 05:13:10,530
no justification. Her

9021
05:13:10,530 --> 05:13:13,530
rationale for the city council

9022
05:13:17,338 --> 05:13:18,380
to dissolve tda. Is all it now

9023
05:13:18,380 --> 05:13:18,705
completely overturned center.

9024
05:13:18,705 --> 05:13:21,705
Matt Democratic will of the

9025
05:13:25,213 --> 05:13:28,213
community. Urging to vote no

9026
05:13:28,317 --> 05:13:30,717
on this. Dissolution. Thank

9027
05:13:32,121 --> 05:13:32,821
you.

9028
05:13:32,821 --> 05:13:35,821
>> Next step we have Melanie

9029
05:13:38,928 --> 05:13:40,928
Richardson.

9030
05:13:46,303 --> 05:13:49,903
>> said, Thank you so much for

9031
05:13:50,341 --> 05:13:51,442
>> your time and your talent

9032
05:13:51,442 --> 05:13:54,442
and especially for your ear

9033
05:13:55,446 --> 05:13:56,714
and your consideration. My

9034
05:13:56,714 --> 05:13:58,516
family made Colorado Springs

9035
05:13:58,516 --> 05:14:01,516
are hit home over 100 years

9036
05:14:02,988 --> 05:14:05,388
ago. William Palmer, Jackson.

9037
05:14:05,791 --> 05:14:08,791
Palmer. Would be rolling in

9038
05:14:12,132 --> 05:14:13,232
his grave. To see the

9039
05:14:13,232 --> 05:14:15,632
dilapidated condition of this

9040
05:14:16,102 --> 05:14:19,102
beautiful city of the We're

9041
05:14:23,578 --> 05:14:24,645
all just care takers. How

9042
05:14:24,645 --> 05:14:28,490
ironic it is that the sec

9043
05:14:28,490 --> 05:14:28,716
merchants and businesses. Are

9044
05:14:28,716 --> 05:14:31,716
having to close their doors

9045
05:14:34,123 --> 05:14:37,723
today. To come here. To renew

9046
05:14:38,760 --> 05:14:39,361
economic development. For Just

9047
05:14:39,361 --> 05:14:42,361
strikes me as a little

9048
05:14:47,470 --> 05:14:49,870
chillier. The residence of

9049
05:14:52,677 --> 05:14:55,312
those cc voted in the dda and

9050
05:14:55,312 --> 05:14:57,982
the city Council, in my

9051
05:14:57,982 --> 05:15:01,582
opinion, has agency to to to

9052
05:15:04,957 --> 05:15:06,580
mitigate that vote. Ignoring

9053
05:15:06,580 --> 05:15:09,580
pardon me, ignoring the will

9054
05:15:10,228 --> 05:15:11,300
of the residence of Old

9055
05:15:11,300 --> 05:15:14,630
Colorado City is not just a

9056
05:15:15,368 --> 05:15:18,368
sign disrespect. It is another

9057
05:15:18,604 --> 05:15:21,975
sign that we must have group

9058
05:15:21,975 --> 05:15:24,912
of citizens at the helm who

9059
05:15:24,912 --> 05:15:28,416
are willing to begin to invest

9060
05:15:28,416 --> 05:15:30,317
and move this beautiful city

9061
05:15:30,317 --> 05:15:33,221
hit again with the same spirit

9062
05:15:33,221 --> 05:15:36,221
as my grandmother and William

9063
05:15:37,959 --> 05:15:40,262
Jackson Palmer. The occ dda is

9064
05:15:40,262 --> 05:15:43,262
such a group. So I

9065
05:15:43,665 --> 05:15:45,670
respectfully ask. That you

9066
05:15:45,670 --> 05:15:47,467
vote against dissolving thank

9067
05:15:48,972 --> 05:15:50,972
you.

9068
05:15:51,808 --> 05:15:54,208
>> Next up, we have.

9069
05:15:54,979 --> 05:15:56,979
>> Nancy Miller

9070
05:16:03,888 --> 05:16:06,288
>> She's not. Annie Trejo.

9071
05:16:06,757 --> 05:16:07,826
>> Good afternoon. It's on for

9072
05:16:07,826 --> 05:16:09,260
help. It's so nice to be

9073
05:16:09,260 --> 05:16:09,894
before you and appreciate all

9074
05:16:09,894 --> 05:16:12,294
hearing us Small business

9075
05:16:13,332 --> 05:16:14,000
owner in Oklahoma City excuse

9076
05:16:14,000 --> 05:16:17,000
me, call on Circa Vintage,

9077
05:16:17,200 --> 05:16:19,402
which stops in 2023. Coptic

9078
05:16:20,873 --> 05:16:21,908
occ in 2020. But originally my

9079
05:16:21,908 --> 05:16:23,276
business partner founded a

9080
05:16:23,276 --> 05:16:23,977
business called which is

9081
05:16:23,977 --> 05:16:26,280
located at 2 for 2 and a half

9082
05:16:26,280 --> 05:16:28,181
north to Hunt Street. We would

9083
05:16:28,181 --> 05:16:29,650
not have able to make that

9084
05:16:29,650 --> 05:16:30,217
business happen without the

9085
05:16:30,217 --> 05:16:30,951
downtown partnership,

9086
05:16:30,951 --> 05:16:33,351
investing in small businesses.

9087
05:16:33,354 --> 05:16:35,900
So we started to pop up. And

9088
05:16:35,900 --> 05:16:36,570
with that pop up, we brought

9089
05:16:36,570 --> 05:16:37,725
in 30 small businesses to come

9090
05:16:37,725 --> 05:16:39,928
and be a part of a store

9091
05:16:39,928 --> 05:16:40,629
front. They were not just

9092
05:16:40,629 --> 05:16:41,963
people who would bring their

9093
05:16:41,963 --> 05:16:43,650
goods to the storefront. They

9094
05:16:43,650 --> 05:16:43,765
would actually work in the

9095
05:16:43,765 --> 05:16:45,167
storefront. We would all work

9096
05:16:45,167 --> 05:16:47,202
together and created this

9097
05:16:47,202 --> 05:16:47,936
beautiful community. And very

9098
05:16:47,936 --> 05:16:48,637
quickly, we outgrew that

9099
05:16:48,637 --> 05:16:51,370
storefront and realized that

9100
05:16:52,410 --> 05:16:53,109
we had more space excuse me,

9101
05:16:53,109 --> 05:16:53,910
less space and more vendors on

9102
05:16:53,910 --> 05:16:54,677
our waitlist. And so we

9103
05:16:54,677 --> 05:16:55,311
started identifiable. Colorado

9104
05:16:55,311 --> 05:16:58,311
City was the right space

9105
05:16:59,550 --> 05:17:00,650
press. Just by virtue of

9106
05:17:00,650 --> 05:17:02,650
happenstance. The connections

9107
05:17:05,230 --> 05:17:05,723
that we made were with tools

9108
05:17:05,723 --> 05:17:06,457
of somebody who I know which

9109
05:17:06,457 --> 05:17:08,593
is that you are here. She told

9110
05:17:08,593 --> 05:17:10,695
us, hey, let's be neighbors.

9111
05:17:10,695 --> 05:17:11,562
There's so much retail space

9112
05:17:11,562 --> 05:17:13,298
available in City and we were

9113
05:17:13,298 --> 05:17:13,965
down like 3% occupancy

9114
05:17:13,965 --> 05:17:16,365
downtown. There is nowhere

9115
05:17:16,535 --> 05:17:17,202
else to go downtown. And so we

9116
05:17:17,202 --> 05:17:17,836
looked at all Colorado City

9117
05:17:17,836 --> 05:17:18,670
and we said this place is

9118
05:17:18,670 --> 05:17:21,670
amazing. I love there for 3

9119
05:17:22,307 --> 05:17:23,760
years as a resident and we

9120
05:17:23,760 --> 05:17:23,776
understood that there was so

9121
05:17:23,776 --> 05:17:26,176
much potential the historical

9122
05:17:26,880 --> 05:17:27,847
nature of it. The fact that so

9123
05:17:27,847 --> 05:17:30,247
many businesses had closed

9124
05:17:31,451 --> 05:17:32,453
down and there was opportunity

9125
05:17:32,453 --> 05:17:34,588
people like me in their 30's,

9126
05:17:34,588 --> 05:17:35,690
women of color to come step in

9127
05:17:35,690 --> 05:17:37,458
and be a co-owner of a

9128
05:17:37,458 --> 05:17:39,160
business that would not just

9129
05:17:39,160 --> 05:17:41,897
have Goodson there. But that

9130
05:17:41,897 --> 05:17:43,197
would actually employ small

9131
05:17:43,197 --> 05:17:44,600
business owners. So across the

9132
05:17:44,600 --> 05:17:45,334
3 stores, now we have 200

9133
05:17:45,334 --> 05:17:47,734
small businesses that function

9134
05:17:48,904 --> 05:17:49,604
out of our space. The

9135
05:17:49,604 --> 05:17:51,107
community is vibrant. I don't

9136
05:17:51,107 --> 05:17:52,341
know how explain that to you.

9137
05:17:52,341 --> 05:17:53,408
And it is because of your

9138
05:17:53,408 --> 05:17:56,408
citizens. It's because of us.

9139
05:17:56,545 --> 05:17:57,747
We're the ones who are pulling

9140
05:17:57,747 --> 05:17:59,415
our weight to everything that

9141
05:17:59,415 --> 05:18:00,820
we can. And I knew that I

9142
05:18:00,820 --> 05:18:02,118
wanted to get involved. And

9143
05:18:02,118 --> 05:18:02,786
when I tried to get involved I

9144
05:18:02,786 --> 05:18:03,453
knew it was there on model

9145
05:18:03,453 --> 05:18:07,530
because I got burned out of

9146
05:18:07,491 --> 05:18:08,425
year. I tried my best. And

9147
05:18:08,425 --> 05:18:10,494
then when we started having

9148
05:18:10,494 --> 05:18:11,195
conversations and much to say

9149
05:18:11,195 --> 05:18:11,930
the fact that we're all kind

9150
05:18:11,930 --> 05:18:13,231
of an agreement here about the

9151
05:18:13,231 --> 05:18:15,934
dda being the best solution.

9152
05:18:15,934 --> 05:18:17,200
>> Is a bit of a miracle.

9153
05:18:17,200 --> 05:18:17,769
Okay? Because we tried so many

9154
05:18:17,769 --> 05:18:18,169
solutions. We have tried

9155
05:18:18,169 --> 05:18:20,169
solutions.

9156
05:18:22,800 --> 05:18:22,641
>> As a community and I just I

9157
05:18:22,641 --> 05:18:23,442
want you all to hear our

9158
05:18:23,442 --> 05:18:25,478
hearts and our voices.

9159
05:18:25,478 --> 05:18:26,378
Colorado Springs, last small

9160
05:18:26,378 --> 05:18:27,790
businesses they love

9161
05:18:27,790 --> 05:18:29,448
supporting local tourist come

9162
05:18:29,448 --> 05:18:31,485
in and they beg us as a store

9163
05:18:31,485 --> 05:18:33,152
front to come to their city

9164
05:18:33,152 --> 05:18:35,155
and start a small business

9165
05:18:35,155 --> 05:18:35,756
like theirs. So you have an

9166
05:18:35,756 --> 05:18:36,456
opportunity to support

9167
05:18:36,456 --> 05:18:38,359
something really incredible.

9168
05:18:38,359 --> 05:18:39,600
And I know don't. How did not

9169
05:18:39,600 --> 05:18:40,661
happen overnight? We all knew

9170
05:18:40,661 --> 05:18:41,362
that that came because of a d

9171
05:18:41,362 --> 05:18:43,297
d a we need the same thing in

9172
05:18:43,297 --> 05:18:46,330
a car city desperately. We

9173
05:18:46,330 --> 05:18:47,268
cannot keep doing this. You're

9174
05:18:47,268 --> 05:18:47,969
going to lose. Small

9175
05:18:47,969 --> 05:18:50,672
businesses are going to lose

9176
05:18:50,672 --> 05:18:52,540
people who are attracted to

9177
05:18:52,540 --> 05:18:53,209
our city because of Colorado

9178
05:18:53,209 --> 05:18:56,809
City. Thank you so much for

9179
05:18:58,280 --> 05:19:01,280
your time. Please don't know

9180
05:19:01,350 --> 05:19:03,750
>> next step can't Hutchinson?

9181
05:19:08,591 --> 05:19:10,827
Kit. That is correct.

9182
05:19:10,827 --> 05:19:12,196
>> my name is Kate Hutchinson.

9183
05:19:12,196 --> 05:19:12,996
And Ion Little Heart Rate cut

9184
05:19:12,996 --> 05:19:13,998
is a small gift shop in old

9185
05:19:13,998 --> 05:19:14,532
Colorado City. And I've been

9186
05:19:14,532 --> 05:19:16,932
in business in the

9187
05:19:17,335 --> 05:19:19,570
neighborhood for 8 years now.

9188
05:19:19,570 --> 05:19:20,272
Well, Colorado City is a

9189
05:19:20,272 --> 05:19:21,606
beautiful little historic gem

9190
05:19:21,606 --> 05:19:22,273
in our city and deserves the

9191
05:19:22,273 --> 05:19:23,809
care and attention that the

9192
05:19:23,809 --> 05:19:25,510
main downtown district gets.

9193
05:19:25,510 --> 05:19:28,510
We are all local small

9194
05:19:28,614 --> 05:19:29,314
businesses and we are brings

9195
05:19:29,314 --> 05:19:30,216
charm to Colorado Springs and

9196
05:19:30,216 --> 05:19:33,216
makes the city desirable to

9197
05:19:33,653 --> 05:19:34,354
visit and live them. It is a

9198
05:19:34,354 --> 05:19:36,189
true second downtown in our

9199
05:19:36,189 --> 05:19:38,424
city and I love being a part

9200
05:19:38,424 --> 05:19:39,292
of it in the last 8 years,

9201
05:19:39,292 --> 05:19:41,228
i've seen a number of

9202
05:19:41,228 --> 05:19:43,197
different folks rise up as

9203
05:19:43,197 --> 05:19:43,864
volunteers to run the various

9204
05:19:43,864 --> 05:19:44,431
organizations that we have

9205
05:19:44,431 --> 05:19:46,334
tried to support our

9206
05:19:46,334 --> 05:19:47,434
neighborhood business district

9207
05:19:47,434 --> 05:19:48,169
and eventually they all run

9208
05:19:48,169 --> 05:19:49,404
out and have to hand the reins

9209
05:19:49,404 --> 05:19:51,239
over to someone else. She

9210
05:19:51,239 --> 05:19:53,700
heard repeatedly from all of

9211
05:19:53,700 --> 05:19:53,742
us, as you can imagine, this

9212
05:19:53,742 --> 05:19:56,742
inconsistency is not great for

9213
05:19:57,512 --> 05:19:58,915
getting things done. We have

9214
05:19:58,915 --> 05:20:00,682
really need paid staff who are

9215
05:20:00,682 --> 05:20:01,383
trying to run their own

9216
05:20:01,383 --> 05:20:02,180
business is to and can focus

9217
05:20:02,180 --> 05:20:04,320
on building a sustainable

9218
05:20:04,320 --> 05:20:04,988
future for our neighborhood.

9219
05:20:04,988 --> 05:20:08,588
We are scrappy, but we are

9220
05:20:09,225 --> 05:20:09,926
struggling. As a neighborhood.

9221
05:20:09,926 --> 05:20:11,828
We spent a lot of money over

9222
05:20:11,828 --> 05:20:12,563
the past few years to work

9223
05:20:12,563 --> 05:20:14,197
with the city and a consultant

9224
05:20:14,197 --> 05:20:14,898
to figure out the best

9225
05:20:14,898 --> 05:20:16,434
direction for an organization

9226
05:20:16,434 --> 05:20:18,302
that would support us

9227
05:20:18,302 --> 05:20:19,137
appropriately. And the dda

9228
05:20:19,137 --> 05:20:19,804
came out of that. And MAY I

9229
05:20:19,804 --> 05:20:22,674
remind you, it passed in a

9230
05:20:22,674 --> 05:20:23,975
popular vote. Dissolving it

9231
05:20:23,975 --> 05:20:26,411
now is going against the

9232
05:20:26,411 --> 05:20:27,679
public. Will it is

9233
05:20:27,679 --> 05:20:28,313
undemocratic. It's also

9234
05:20:28,313 --> 05:20:30,149
throwing your local small

9235
05:20:30,149 --> 05:20:30,849
businesses under the bus. We

9236
05:20:30,849 --> 05:20:32,819
would have to start over with

9237
05:20:32,819 --> 05:20:34,453
a different plan that would

9238
05:20:34,453 --> 05:20:36,550
cost even more money. But we

9239
05:20:36,550 --> 05:20:38,570
don't have or businesses will

9240
05:20:38,570 --> 05:20:39,959
just close or move somewhere

9241
05:20:39,959 --> 05:20:40,726
else. And we will lose. All.

9242
05:20:40,726 --> 05:20:42,496
Colorado City has a charming,

9243
05:20:42,496 --> 05:20:44,496
historic shopping district.

9244
05:20:45,265 --> 05:20:46,333
Please don't let that happen.

9245
05:20:46,333 --> 05:20:47,400
The city claims to be

9246
05:20:47,400 --> 05:20:48,736
supportive of small business

9247
05:20:48,736 --> 05:20:51,973
and now is your chance to show

9248
05:20:51,973 --> 05:20:53,700
us. But you support us. Please

9249
05:20:53,700 --> 05:20:54,843
listen to the voters in our

9250
05:20:54,843 --> 05:20:56,577
district who voted to pass the

9251
05:20:56,577 --> 05:20:57,311
dda and listen to all the

9252
05:20:57,311 --> 05:20:58,680
small business owners here who

9253
05:20:58,680 --> 05:20:59,914
have taken time out of our

9254
05:20:59,914 --> 05:21:02,417
very busy schedules to fight

9255
05:21:02,417 --> 05:21:05,417
for our neighborhood today and

9256
05:21:05,888 --> 05:21:06,588
vote against dissolving Rd d a

9257
05:21:06,588 --> 05:21:09,625
give us a chance to get this

9258
05:21:09,625 --> 05:21:10,326
tda up and running and get our

9259
05:21:10,326 --> 05:21:12,326
neighborhood thriving. Thank

9260
05:21:16,533 --> 05:21:20,133
you for your time. Next step

9261
05:21:20,271 --> 05:21:23,271
we have pack stock. Allison

9262
05:21:31,183 --> 05:21:33,183
Daniel.

9263
05:21:33,284 --> 05:21:34,486
>> Good afternoon Council. I'm

9264
05:21:34,486 --> 05:21:35,153
Allison Daniel and Iran.

9265
05:21:35,153 --> 05:21:37,553
Stellar Propeller studio in

9266
05:21:38,323 --> 05:21:39,158
old Colorado City. And I am

9267
05:21:39,158 --> 05:21:41,660
new to the board as well like

9268
05:21:41,660 --> 05:21:42,294
gyms. So I've been involved

9269
05:21:42,294 --> 05:21:45,894
less than a year at this

9270
05:21:48,501 --> 05:21:49,236
point. And so I wasn't around

9271
05:21:49,236 --> 05:21:50,770
for the votes. I wasn't around

9272
05:21:50,770 --> 05:21:51,671
when there was the confusion.

9273
05:21:51,671 --> 05:21:54,575
I would like to personally

9274
05:21:54,575 --> 05:21:55,443
apologize to you guys. I

9275
05:21:55,443 --> 05:21:56,110
wasn't around when that

9276
05:21:56,110 --> 05:21:58,113
happened, but I can see how

9277
05:21:58,113 --> 05:21:59,814
that would be extremely

9278
05:21:59,814 --> 05:22:00,448
frustrating. And I could see

9279
05:22:00,448 --> 05:22:01,115
how you would assume that

9280
05:22:01,115 --> 05:22:03,115
there's something nefarious

9281
05:22:06,288 --> 05:22:07,455
up. With that situation. I can

9282
05:22:07,455 --> 05:22:10,158
tell you from someone who's

9283
05:22:10,158 --> 05:22:10,827
been serving on the board

9284
05:22:10,827 --> 05:22:11,527
since the beginning of the

9285
05:22:11,527 --> 05:22:15,127
year is not a nefarious group

9286
05:22:15,498 --> 05:22:16,432
at all. Like we. We up and we

9287
05:22:16,432 --> 05:22:18,402
really are trying to like

9288
05:22:18,402 --> 05:22:19,836
figure out what will make

9289
05:22:19,836 --> 05:22:20,570
business better for the people

9290
05:22:20,570 --> 05:22:22,806
of Elkhart, a city like all of

9291
05:22:22,806 --> 05:22:23,473
us really care. So I just want

9292
05:22:23,473 --> 05:22:27,611
to say that, too. But I am

9293
05:22:27,611 --> 05:22:29,514
sorry that happened. And I

9294
05:22:29,514 --> 05:22:30,714
yeah, I mean, I agree with

9295
05:22:30,714 --> 05:22:31,549
with what everyone else is

9296
05:22:31,549 --> 05:22:32,283
said to like just going

9297
05:22:32,283 --> 05:22:34,953
against the will of the voters

9298
05:22:34,953 --> 05:22:35,621
is are really.

9299
05:22:35,621 --> 05:22:35,754
>> feels like a slippery s#

9300
05:22:35,754 --> 05:22:35,907
#

9301
05:22:35,907 --> 05:22:36,520
#

9302
05:22:36,520 --> 05:22:38,520
#

9303
05:22:41,360 --> 05:22:43,862
to me. Believe in democracy

9304
05:22:43,862 --> 05:22:46,932
and I just I feel like I have

9305
05:22:46,932 --> 05:22:49,932
tried to ask multiple people.

9306
05:22:51,380 --> 05:22:52,605
Why a bid is better and no one

9307
05:22:52,605 --> 05:22:56,476
has explained it to me. No one

9308
05:22:56,476 --> 05:22:57,445
has given me any.

9309
05:22:57,445 --> 05:22:59,346
>> Thing to grasp onto that

9310
05:22:59,346 --> 05:23:02,946
make made it make sense. In

9311
05:23:03,500 --> 05:23:03,651
fact, one of our last

9312
05:23:03,651 --> 05:23:05,153
meetings, COUNCILWOMAN

9313
05:23:05,153 --> 05:23:06,554
Williams, when I was trying to

9314
05:23:06,554 --> 05:23:07,222
ask this, said it makes sense

9315
05:23:07,222 --> 05:23:10,459
to me, but it doesn't make

9316
05:23:10,459 --> 05:23:12,228
sense to you. Which is not

9317
05:23:12,228 --> 05:23:13,596
really because I think I'm a

9318
05:23:13,596 --> 05:23:15,310
reasonably intelligent person.

9319
05:23:15,310 --> 05:23:15,732
I would just I would just love

9320
05:23:15,732 --> 05:23:18,335
to hear from anyone like why

9321
05:23:18,335 --> 05:23:22,535
is a bid better? And I think

9322
05:23:23,740 --> 05:23:26,100
it would be fair. I also have

9323
05:23:26,100 --> 05:23:27,430
I find it troubling that thing

9324
05:23:27,430 --> 05:23:27,744
is to dissolve right now. But

9325
05:23:27,744 --> 05:23:31,344
there's no plan in place like

9326
05:23:31,448 --> 05:23:32,684
nobody came. And said this is

9327
05:23:32,684 --> 05:23:34,618
not the right tool, but I have

9328
05:23:34,618 --> 05:23:37,555
an idea. And here's here's

9329
05:23:37,555 --> 05:23:38,423
why. This is better. This is

9330
05:23:38,423 --> 05:23:40,491
how it's going to help the

9331
05:23:40,491 --> 05:23:41,660
people more. So maybe let's

9332
05:23:41,660 --> 05:23:42,394
try this. I feel like it's

9333
05:23:42,394 --> 05:23:44,563
just been like, no, let's just

9334
05:23:44,563 --> 05:23:46,563
kill it.

9335
05:23:47,500 --> 05:23:48,901
>> And we we really want to

9336
05:23:48,901 --> 05:23:52,501
help old Colorado City like we

9337
05:23:52,638 --> 05:23:53,272
really care. So I've just been

9338
05:23:53,272 --> 05:23:55,672
very dillusioned by this

9339
05:23:56,275 --> 05:23:59,179
whole experience. And I and

9340
05:23:59,179 --> 05:24:01,348
saddened to think that we

9341
05:24:01,348 --> 05:24:01,982
might get slash before we even

9342
05:24:01,982 --> 05:24:04,982
get started because we do

9343
05:24:04,985 --> 05:24:05,653
really want to help people.

9344
05:24:05,653 --> 05:24:08,653
Yeah, just asked, how would

9345
05:24:09,191 --> 05:24:10,992
you feel if you volunteered to

9346
05:24:10,992 --> 05:24:11,693
serve on a board and you're

9347
05:24:11,693 --> 05:24:12,594
excited. It was counter first

9348
05:24:12,594 --> 05:24:13,761
time and you like love the

9349
05:24:13,761 --> 05:24:16,761
city and then somebody from

9350
05:24:16,966 --> 05:24:20,202
inside your own board is like

9351
05:24:20,202 --> 05:24:22,304
we're gonna get rid of it.

9352
05:24:22,304 --> 05:24:22,972
It's been it's been very

9353
05:24:22,972 --> 05:24:23,673
disheartening. So, yeah, I

9354
05:24:23,673 --> 05:24:26,342
would ask you to please don't

9355
05:24:26,342 --> 05:24:29,942
know. Just give us a chance.

9356
05:24:33,617 --> 05:24:34,185
Yes, appreciate you.

9357
05:24:34,185 --> 05:24:36,185
>> COUNCILMAN, Hold.

9358
05:24:36,453 --> 05:24:37,221
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

9359
05:24:37,221 --> 05:24:40,221
I just wanted to specifically

9360
05:24:40,792 --> 05:24:41,526
say to you, Alison, you know,

9361
05:24:41,526 --> 05:24:43,361
watched it from afar for a few

9362
05:24:43,361 --> 05:24:44,896
years through your through

9363
05:24:44,896 --> 05:24:45,564
your work. And I was really

9364
05:24:45,564 --> 05:24:48,534
excited when last year your

9365
05:24:48,534 --> 05:24:51,237
name came up and we were

9366
05:24:51,237 --> 05:24:51,904
voting to have you serve on

9367
05:24:51,904 --> 05:24:54,340
the board and regardless of

9368
05:24:54,340 --> 05:24:55,177
the outcome of today's vote, I

9369
05:24:55,177 --> 05:24:55,908
think you should be really

9370
05:24:55,908 --> 05:24:58,478
proud of yourself for stepping

9371
05:24:58,478 --> 05:24:59,779
up to the plate to volunteer

9372
05:24:59,779 --> 05:25:03,379
for occ and for the advocacy

9373
05:25:04,251 --> 05:25:04,919
it done best forward. I know

9374
05:25:04,919 --> 05:25:06,586
this like one of your first

9375
05:25:06,586 --> 05:25:09,586
experience really being on a

9376
05:25:09,657 --> 05:25:10,958
board and what an experience.

9377
05:25:10,958 --> 05:25:11,692
So again, regardless of the

9378
05:25:11,692 --> 05:25:15,292
outcome, I think you should be

9379
05:25:16,698 --> 05:25:17,298
really proud of yourself.

9380
05:25:17,298 --> 05:25:19,298
>> Except have Michelle

9381
05:25:26,809 --> 05:25:27,476
Garrett.

9382
05:25:27,476 --> 05:25:28,244
>> All right. Good morning.

9383
05:25:28,244 --> 05:25:30,644
Just getting afternoon. Now,

9384
05:25:31,414 --> 05:25:33,160
Ron notes. Good afternoon,

9385
05:25:33,160 --> 05:25:33,717
MADAM. PRESIDENT City Council

9386
05:25:33,717 --> 05:25:36,717
members, my name is Michelle

9387
05:25:37,487 --> 05:25:38,322
Garrett. A Colorado native and

9388
05:25:38,322 --> 05:25:41,492
I live in old Colorado City

9389
05:25:41,492 --> 05:25:42,600
and I own my own business. Its

9390
05:25:42,600 --> 05:25:43,661
gratitude. Zero-proof

9391
05:25:43,661 --> 05:25:44,396
beverages is the first

9392
05:25:44,396 --> 05:25:46,796
non-alcoholic bar and Colorado

9393
05:25:48,533 --> 05:25:51,503
Springs. We're located 28th in

9394
05:25:51,503 --> 05:25:53,380
Colorado. You know, we're one

9395
05:25:53,380 --> 05:25:53,673
of the handful of the unique

9396
05:25:53,673 --> 05:25:55,673
independents stories that

9397
05:25:58,377 --> 05:25:59,278
you'll find an occ. I'm active

9398
05:25:59,278 --> 05:26:00,113
in my community. My employees

9399
05:26:00,113 --> 05:26:02,348
live in the community. My

9400
05:26:02,348 --> 05:26:03,830
regulars live in the community

9401
05:26:03,830 --> 05:26:03,650
as a bartender, you often hear

9402
05:26:03,650 --> 05:26:06,500
people talk about the

9403
05:26:06,754 --> 05:26:07,420
neighborhood. What they need,

9404
05:26:07,420 --> 05:26:10,420
what they don't need, what

9405
05:26:12,393 --> 05:26:13,528
concerns them. I was voted on

9406
05:26:13,528 --> 05:26:15,620
to the old Colorado City dda

9407
05:26:15,620 --> 05:26:15,763
at the end of last year and

9408
05:26:15,763 --> 05:26:18,763
has served as secretary since

9409
05:26:20,835 --> 05:26:21,436
FEBRUARY. The West side of the

9410
05:26:21,436 --> 05:26:22,104
unique location full of

9411
05:26:22,104 --> 05:26:24,104
independently owned shops,

9412
05:26:24,439 --> 05:26:25,140
timeless character in history.

9413
05:26:25,140 --> 05:26:28,140
The history of Colorado Start

9414
05:26:29,112 --> 05:26:29,778
tunnel. Colorado City. The

9415
05:26:29,778 --> 05:26:32,148
oldest standing stone wall

9416
05:26:32,148 --> 05:26:32,848
Paso County actually exists in

9417
05:26:32,848 --> 05:26:34,250
my bar, which I repaired and

9418
05:26:34,250 --> 05:26:37,850
brought back to life's bit by

9419
05:26:39,122 --> 05:26:39,789
bit on my own dollar. In 2020

9420
05:26:39,789 --> 05:26:40,490
for the people who live and

9421
05:26:40,490 --> 05:26:42,126
work on the Westside voted to

9422
05:26:42,126 --> 05:26:46,864
have a d d a not even 2 years

9423
05:26:46,864 --> 05:26:47,899
later. COUNCILWOMAN Brandi

9424
05:26:47,899 --> 05:26:50,899
Williams is now leading the

9425
05:26:52,770 --> 05:26:53,471
movement to dissolve the dda.

9426
05:26:53,471 --> 05:26:55,471
COUNCILWOMAN Brandi Williams

9427
05:26:56,410 --> 05:26:57,643
sat on the occ dda board as a

9428
05:26:57,643 --> 05:26:58,810
liaison to bridge local

9429
05:26:58,810 --> 05:27:00,810
legislative goals with

9430
05:27:01,647 --> 05:27:02,347
specific community operations.

9431
05:27:02,347 --> 05:27:05,918
As a member on that board, I

9432
05:27:05,918 --> 05:27:06,653
can say without a doubt.

9433
05:27:06,653 --> 05:27:09,653
Brandi Williams did not bridge

9434
05:27:10,723 --> 05:27:12,593
any gaps. She created them.

9435
05:27:12,593 --> 05:27:13,360
From monthly meetings to plans

9436
05:27:13,360 --> 05:27:15,696
of development council him and

9437
05:27:15,696 --> 05:27:16,430
went William sat quietly Self

9438
05:27:16,430 --> 05:27:19,430
admitted she had never read

9439
05:27:20,702 --> 05:27:22,702
the 2024. Formation documents

9440
05:27:23,405 --> 05:27:24,439
which included survey results

9441
05:27:24,439 --> 05:27:26,408
dda versus bid budget

9442
05:27:26,408 --> 05:27:27,376
comparisons, ballot language

9443
05:27:27,376 --> 05:27:27,977
and he background information

9444
05:27:27,977 --> 05:27:30,977
prior to her moving to

9445
05:27:30,980 --> 05:27:33,980
dissolve the dda. The dda

9446
05:27:34,651 --> 05:27:36,520
empowers. Local businesses

9447
05:27:36,520 --> 05:27:37,187
such as mine and gives

9448
05:27:37,187 --> 05:27:39,587
dedicated voices to manage

9449
05:27:40,357 --> 05:27:41,458
growth internally. The website

9450
05:27:41,458 --> 05:27:42,393
is not like the rest of

9451
05:27:42,393 --> 05:27:43,227
Colorado Springs. When you

9452
05:27:43,227 --> 05:27:43,994
drive here, it feels

9453
05:27:43,994 --> 05:27:44,695
different. When you visit

9454
05:27:44,695 --> 05:27:48,295
here, you feel that the heart

9455
05:27:48,400 --> 05:27:50,402
of Colorado is beauty major in

9456
05:27:50,402 --> 05:27:51,360
history. The stores that have

9457
05:27:51,360 --> 05:27:52,671
been tirelessly run by

9458
05:27:52,671 --> 05:27:53,472
individuals who want something

9459
05:27:53,472 --> 05:27:55,472
different, something with

9460
05:27:56,109 --> 05:27:56,809
charm, Souls, Spirit that

9461
05:27:56,809 --> 05:27:59,209
large-scale developers do not

9462
05:27:59,846 --> 05:28:02,246
possess. These businesses have

9463
05:28:03,483 --> 05:28:04,185
fought for everything t exist

9464
05:28:04,185 --> 05:28:04,919
without significant financial

9465
05:28:04,919 --> 05:28:07,919
backing and still manage to

9466
05:28:09,123 --> 05:28:10,425
make occ feel special. I hate

9467
05:28:10,425 --> 05:28:11,259
to see the date of the shops

9468
05:28:11,259 --> 05:28:12,226
and shop owners who poured

9469
05:28:12,226 --> 05:28:12,827
everything they have into our

9470
05:28:12,827 --> 05:28:13,461
community are wiped out

9471
05:28:13,461 --> 05:28:15,861
because City council sees

9472
05:28:16,197 --> 05:28:19,197
deeper pockets. I would like

9473
05:28:19,869 --> 05:28:21,700
the city Council vote. No to

9474
05:28:21,700 --> 05:28:21,871
the dissolution resolution. I

9475
05:28:21,871 --> 05:28:22,571
believe that the citizens of

9476
05:28:22,571 --> 05:28:25,571
occ must have their election

9477
05:28:26,477 --> 05:28:28,445
results honored. I believe

9478
05:28:28,445 --> 05:28:29,380
that the dda board needs to be

9479
05:28:29,380 --> 05:28:30,614
given a chance to exist, to

9480
05:28:30,614 --> 05:28:31,315
grow and accomplish what's

9481
05:28:31,315 --> 05:28:34,915
best for the scene. You would

9482
05:28:36,955 --> 05:28:37,622
need place called home.

9483
05:28:37,622 --> 05:28:40,622
>> Next step we have family

9484
05:28:48,301 --> 05:28:50,301
there.

9485
05:28:50,370 --> 05:28:51,370
>> Hi, my name is Emily Fair.

9486
05:28:51,370 --> 05:28:53,807
You MAY have read my email

9487
05:28:53,807 --> 05:28:54,442
that I submitted on Sunday.

9488
05:28:54,442 --> 05:28:56,945
The statement is meant to

9489
05:28:56,945 --> 05:28:57,579
piggyback those thoughts. My

9490
05:28:57,579 --> 05:28:59,130
husband and I opened our

9491
05:28:59,130 --> 05:29:01,216
gallery and frame shop. 45

9492
05:29:01,216 --> 05:29:04,216
degree in 2010, we bought our

9493
05:29:10,493 --> 05:29:11,594
home. This is me off. So bad.

9494
05:29:11,594 --> 05:29:12,996
We bought our at 11 think

9495
05:29:12,996 --> 05:29:15,996
which are us in 2011. My

9496
05:29:16,900 --> 05:29:17,734
history is as part of old

9497
05:29:17,734 --> 05:29:19,734
Colorado City business

9498
05:29:20,537 --> 05:29:22,390
community started in 2002 as a

9499
05:29:22,390 --> 05:29:24,275
business owner and resident, i

9500
05:29:24,275 --> 05:29:27,875
have lived it. The results of

9501
05:29:28,714 --> 05:29:30,215
a dwindling. The result of the

9502
05:29:30,215 --> 05:29:30,916
ongoing funding and city

9503
05:29:30,916 --> 05:29:33,916
oversight in a vital Colorado

9504
05:29:34,887 --> 05:29:35,655
Springs neighborhood. But the

9505
05:29:35,655 --> 05:29:37,557
city Council and voter

9506
05:29:37,557 --> 05:29:38,257
approved promise of the dda. I

9507
05:29:38,257 --> 05:29:40,827
have been given a glimmer of

9508
05:29:40,827 --> 05:29:43,130
hope. That my investments have

9509
05:29:43,130 --> 05:29:46,730
not been in vain. The dda

9510
05:29:46,901 --> 05:29:48,669
provides real hope. Hope of

9511
05:29:48,669 --> 05:29:50,669
representation, cope of

9512
05:29:51,339 --> 05:29:52,241
infrastructure, hope of

9513
05:29:52,241 --> 05:29:54,142
economic identity, hope of

9514
05:29:54,142 --> 05:29:55,177
recognition and hope for

9515
05:29:55,177 --> 05:29:56,712
stability. The list goes on

9516
05:29:56,712 --> 05:29:59,282
and But none of this will

9517
05:29:59,282 --> 05:30:01,384
happen. If you dissolve the

9518
05:30:01,384 --> 05:30:04,984
dda, there is simply no or

9519
05:30:05,455 --> 05:30:07,224
funding to pivot. We need

9520
05:30:07,224 --> 05:30:10,824
help. Now to dissolve the dda

9521
05:30:10,962 --> 05:30:11,896
would be a massive mistake. It

9522
05:30:11,896 --> 05:30:13,231
undermines Democratic will of

9523
05:30:13,231 --> 05:30:15,533
the West side voters and kills

9524
05:30:15,533 --> 05:30:17,402
a vital economic tool before

9525
05:30:17,402 --> 05:30:21,139
it is given a chance to work.

9526
05:30:21,139 --> 05:30:23,642
Vote. That is all a citizen

9527
05:30:23,642 --> 05:30:25,645
voter approved authority is a

9528
05:30:25,645 --> 05:30:26,279
blatant dismissal of the

9529
05:30:26,279 --> 05:30:26,979
people who live work and

9530
05:30:26,979 --> 05:30:29,979
invest in old Colorado City.

9531
05:30:34,388 --> 05:30:35,560
Thank

9532
05:30:35,560 --> 05:30:38,656
>> Next up, we have a neat

9533
05:30:45,367 --> 05:30:47,767
pass shell. Michael hitting.

9534
05:30:52,609 --> 05:30:53,911
Rebecca Powell.

9535
05:30:53,911 --> 05:30:56,847
>> Hello, thank you for having

9536
05:30:56,847 --> 05:30:57,681
us here today. That some fire

9537
05:30:57,681 --> 05:30:59,583
for that it's under this

9538
05:30:59,583 --> 05:31:00,918
circumstance that where you

9539
05:31:00,918 --> 05:31:03,540
been here with all the time

9540
05:31:03,540 --> 05:31:05,156
working out for it, that's in

9541
05:31:05,156 --> 05:31:07,259
to putting this dda together.

9542
05:31:07,259 --> 05:31:07,926
But it's important that

9543
05:31:07,926 --> 05:31:09,728
everybody has a voice that

9544
05:31:09,728 --> 05:31:11,530
means the residents. That

9545
05:31:11,530 --> 05:31:14,400
means, you know, all the

9546
05:31:14,400 --> 05:31:14,767
business owners and so on and

9547
05:31:14,767 --> 05:31:15,635
so forth.

9548
05:31:15,635 --> 05:31:18,405
>> I have to let you know that

9549
05:31:18,405 --> 05:31:19,239
I am a member of this imd in

9550
05:31:19,239 --> 05:31:21,239
Gateway.

9551
05:31:21,441 --> 05:31:22,175
>> Which doesn't get much

9552
05:31:22,175 --> 05:31:24,575
representation at all. And

9553
05:31:24,979 --> 05:31:29,179
part of that, is that such a

9554
05:31:30,719 --> 05:31:33,255
small little area, it was and

9555
05:31:33,255 --> 05:31:33,956
1988. So so a very old

9556
05:31:33,956 --> 05:31:36,956
volunteer board and it we're

9557
05:31:38,828 --> 05:31:41,828
headed by. City parks and

9558
05:31:42,599 --> 05:31:43,266
pretty much what we do is make

9559
05:31:43,266 --> 05:31:43,934
sure that our little areas

9560
05:31:43,934 --> 05:31:46,770
clean, that the medians are

9561
05:31:46,770 --> 05:31:49,540
taking care of and the, know,

9562
05:31:49,540 --> 05:31:52,644
trash removal so on and so So

9563
05:31:52,644 --> 05:31:55,481
he's a very basic maintenance

9564
05:31:55,481 --> 05:31:56,381
district. Our operating is on

9565
05:31:56,381 --> 05:31:59,381
the average of $10,000 a year,

9566
05:32:00,219 --> 05:32:03,523
which isn't much. So when I

9567
05:32:03,523 --> 05:32:05,923
started hearing about Colorado

9568
05:32:06,259 --> 05:32:07,728
s I am the opportunity to

9569
05:32:07,728 --> 05:32:09,830
bring gateway into that

9570
05:32:09,830 --> 05:32:13,430
district gave me such hope for

9571
05:32:14,168 --> 05:32:17,238
for our area and it and it a

9572
05:32:17,238 --> 05:32:18,406
way to co-op with the old

9573
05:32:18,406 --> 05:32:20,909
Colorado City and Gateway is

9574
05:32:20,909 --> 05:32:21,744
it's the corridor between

9575
05:32:21,744 --> 05:32:24,144
downtown and old Colorado

9576
05:32:25,214 --> 05:32:28,214
City, which always love my

9577
05:32:28,285 --> 05:32:29,552
first home when I 4 months and

9578
05:32:29,552 --> 05:32:32,552
12 street. So right into a

9579
05:32:35,226 --> 05:32:36,270
Colorado block away. So and I

9580
05:32:36,270 --> 05:32:39,130
now with my husband on a

9581
05:32:39,130 --> 05:32:40,131
larger property that we live

9582
05:32:40,131 --> 05:32:43,731
in in Gateway at 7th in

9583
05:32:44,369 --> 05:32:45,237
Colorado. So that in mind our

9584
05:32:45,237 --> 05:32:48,237
intention was never to get

9585
05:32:49,975 --> 05:32:52,975
involved by a property. Tear

9586
05:32:54,147 --> 05:32:56,417
it down. And as I've heard a

9587
05:32:56,417 --> 05:32:58,185
certain members, city council

9588
05:32:58,185 --> 05:32:58,853
say that we wanted to tear

9589
05:32:58,853 --> 05:33:01,253
things down and redevelop.

9590
05:33:01,489 --> 05:33:03,424
That's not the case at all.

9591
05:33:03,424 --> 05:33:05,627
What we want to do is clean up

9592
05:33:05,627 --> 05:33:06,795
the neighborhood. We have

9593
05:33:06,795 --> 05:33:07,963
maintained these beautiful old

9594
05:33:07,963 --> 05:33:10,363
buildings, keep the character

9595
05:33:12,340 --> 05:33:12,768
that we that is always been

9596
05:33:12,768 --> 05:33:14,300
credible. Colorado City in way

9597
05:33:14,300 --> 05:33:17,300
like living here. The place

9598
05:33:18,341 --> 05:33:21,110
that I love. So with that in

9599
05:33:21,110 --> 05:33:24,611
mind, I'm asking you to vote

9600
05:33:24,982 --> 05:33:25,649
no on solution and give us the

9601
05:33:25,649 --> 05:33:27,752
opportunity to give us the

9602
05:33:27,752 --> 05:33:30,152
opportunity to work together.

9603
05:33:30,855 --> 05:33:32,791
Give us a small portion of the

9604
05:33:32,791 --> 05:33:35,861
taxes that we pay in that area

9605
05:33:35,861 --> 05:33:36,996
to stay there. I have a local

9606
05:33:36,996 --> 05:33:37,897
business that only works other

9607
05:33:37,897 --> 05:33:39,897
local independent businesses.

9608
05:33:40,133 --> 05:33:43,436
We do not do anything. What

9609
05:33:43,436 --> 05:33:44,938
chains or anybody outside of

9610
05:33:44,938 --> 05:33:45,839
Colorado Springs and El Paso

9611
05:33:45,839 --> 05:33:49,439
County because we want to keep

9612
05:33:49,810 --> 05:33:50,811
that money. Local and they and

9613
05:33:50,811 --> 05:33:52,413
it's very important myself. My

9614
05:33:52,413 --> 05:33:54,813
husband, our employees that

9615
05:33:55,917 --> 05:33:56,651
we're able to do that the rest

9616
05:33:56,651 --> 05:33:58,620
of our property to other local

9617
05:33:58,620 --> 05:34:01,620
businesses. Same way. So thank

9618
05:34:04,600 --> 05:34:04,727
you. Thank you.

9619
05:34:04,727 --> 05:34:07,727
>> Next step we have Kelsey

9620
05:34:10,801 --> 05:34:12,801
Willow.

9621
05:34:12,803 --> 05:34:15,203
>> that's right. The tallest

9622
05:34:17,742 --> 05:34:18,643
one here today. Hi, my name is

9623
05:34:18,643 --> 05:34:20,545
Kelsey Colorado Springs has

9624
05:34:20,545 --> 05:34:21,179
been my home my entire life

9625
05:34:21,179 --> 05:34:21,814
and old Colorado City has

9626
05:34:21,814 --> 05:34:24,349
always been a heart in my

9627
05:34:24,349 --> 05:34:27,190
story. I'm deeply invested in

9628
05:34:27,190 --> 05:34:28,921
the future of this community.

9629
05:34:28,921 --> 05:34:30,690
I'm the marketing manager for

9630
05:34:30,690 --> 05:34:31,425
squash blossom, Ellie Blue and

9631
05:34:31,425 --> 05:34:32,159
Stella and Bow in Old Colorado

9632
05:34:32,159 --> 05:34:36,359
City as well as serving on the

9633
05:34:36,430 --> 05:34:37,798
occ a board with 3 distinct

9634
05:34:37,798 --> 05:34:38,499
businesses in this district.

9635
05:34:38,499 --> 05:34:40,501
We have a unique perspective

9636
05:34:40,501 --> 05:34:41,369
on both incredible potential

9637
05:34:41,369 --> 05:34:43,400
of acc and the challenges are

9638
05:34:43,400 --> 05:34:45,404
small businesses face every

9639
05:34:46,700 --> 05:34:47,943
day. I'm here asking to keep

9640
05:34:47,943 --> 05:34:48,643
the voter approved eta intact

9641
05:34:48,643 --> 05:34:49,311
and allow the opportunity to

9642
05:34:49,311 --> 05:34:52,810
do what our community voted

9643
05:34:52,810 --> 05:34:53,782
for it to do. Our small

9644
05:34:53,782 --> 05:34:55,782
businesses are already

9645
05:34:55,852 --> 05:34:56,552
stretched thin. Business

9646
05:34:56,552 --> 05:34:58,855
owners cannot be expected to

9647
05:34:58,855 --> 05:34:59,522
run their business while

9648
05:34:59,522 --> 05:35:00,124
simultaneously carrying the

9649
05:35:00,124 --> 05:35:00,858
responsibility for the

9650
05:35:00,858 --> 05:35:02,827
district-wide marketing

9651
05:35:02,827 --> 05:35:03,528
events, advocacy economic

9652
05:35:03,528 --> 05:35:04,929
development and communication

9653
05:35:04,929 --> 05:35:08,500
with the city. That model is

9654
05:35:08,500 --> 05:35:10,535
not sustainable. Old Colorado

9655
05:35:10,535 --> 05:35:11,636
City needs consistent

9656
05:35:11,636 --> 05:35:13,380
professional leadership. We

9657
05:35:13,380 --> 05:35:13,672
need the ability to plan

9658
05:35:13,672 --> 05:35:16,672
beyond the next event in

9659
05:35:16,842 --> 05:35:17,943
Florida or fundraiser. We need

9660
05:35:17,943 --> 05:35:19,943
reliable resources for

9661
05:35:20,460 --> 05:35:20,613
marketing community events,

9662
05:35:20,613 --> 05:35:21,547
advocacy and economic

9663
05:35:21,547 --> 05:35:22,182
development so that we can

9664
05:35:22,182 --> 05:35:24,182
make thoughtful long-term

9665
05:35:25,485 --> 05:35:26,153
investments in this district.

9666
05:35:26,153 --> 05:35:28,220
Because ultimately the her

9667
05:35:28,220 --> 05:35:29,356
double car at a city is it

9668
05:35:29,356 --> 05:35:30,492
small businesses? They are.

9669
05:35:30,492 --> 05:35:31,126
What make this neighborhood

9670
05:35:31,126 --> 05:35:33,462
vibrant, unique and worth

9671
05:35:33,462 --> 05:35:34,462
visiting. We should we should

9672
05:35:34,462 --> 05:35:35,130
be creating an environment

9673
05:35:35,130 --> 05:35:37,530
where those businesses can

9674
05:35:37,867 --> 05:35:40,102
thrive. Not simply just

9675
05:35:40,102 --> 05:35:40,736
survive. And perhaps most

9676
05:35:40,736 --> 05:35:42,939
importantly, this dda was

9677
05:35:42,939 --> 05:35:44,473
created through a vote.

9678
05:35:44,473 --> 05:35:45,208
Businesses and property owners

9679
05:35:45,208 --> 05:35:47,430
participated in a process that

9680
05:35:47,430 --> 05:35:47,845
made their voices heard. They

9681
05:35:47,845 --> 05:35:51,349
voted to invest in the future

9682
05:35:51,349 --> 05:35:52,820
of old Colorado City. I

9683
05:35:52,820 --> 05:35:52,716
believe that vote deserves the

9684
05:35:52,716 --> 05:35:55,116
opportunity to be carried

9685
05:35:56,200 --> 05:35:56,788
forward. Old. Colorado has

9686
05:35:56,788 --> 05:35:58,990
city has an incredible

9687
05:35:58,990 --> 05:36:00,492
history, but this is about its

9688
05:36:00,492 --> 05:36:01,226
future. It's about giving this

9689
05:36:01,226 --> 05:36:03,626
district the structure and

9690
05:36:04,964 --> 05:36:05,665
resources to remain beautiful

9691
05:36:05,665 --> 05:36:06,232
economically strong and a

9692
05:36:06,232 --> 05:36:06,833
place where community

9693
05:36:06,833 --> 05:36:09,233
continues to gather for

9694
05:36:09,835 --> 05:36:11,738
generations to come. I am

9695
05:36:11,738 --> 05:36:14,775
asking you to respect the will

9696
05:36:14,775 --> 05:36:15,476
of the voters that created the

9697
05:36:15,476 --> 05:36:16,430
tva, keep it intact and give

9698
05:36:16,430 --> 05:36:16,744
old Colorado City the

9699
05:36:16,744 --> 05:36:19,144
opportunity to move forward.

9700
05:36:22,917 --> 05:36:25,917
Thank you. That we have

9701
05:36:30,693 --> 05:36:31,695
>> Daniel Ramos.

9702
05:36:31,695 --> 05:36:34,950
>> Thank you, council. Thank

9703
05:36:34,698 --> 05:36:35,399
you for your public service.

9704
05:36:35,399 --> 05:36:37,201
Small business owners. Thank

9705
05:36:37,201 --> 05:36:38,569
you for your time.

9706
05:36:38,569 --> 05:36:40,969
>> It's our most precious

9707
05:36:41,639 --> 05:36:42,874
asset.

9708
05:36:42,874 --> 05:36:43,574
>> And it shows how important

9709
05:36:43,574 --> 05:36:46,574
is that we're all here

9710
05:36:46,845 --> 05:36:47,512
sacrificing our time today.

9711
05:36:47,512 --> 05:36:50,820
For all the volunteers that

9712
05:36:50,820 --> 05:36:50,482
have served past or present on

9713
05:36:50,482 --> 05:36:51,149
the board.

9714
05:36:51,149 --> 05:36:54,149
>> Thank you for your time.

9715
05:36:55,154 --> 05:36:57,554
I'm working for them.

9716
05:36:58,225 --> 05:36:59,250
>> My wife couldn't be here

9717
05:36:59,250 --> 05:36:59,625
today. She's a college

9718
05:36:59,625 --> 05:37:01,625
professor. Also public

9719
05:37:02,196 --> 05:37:02,830
servant, working local

9720
05:37:02,830 --> 05:37:05,230
university. But she would

9721
05:37:05,499 --> 05:37:06,200
concur with that to say today

9722
05:37:06,200 --> 05:37:08,837
we moved to Colorado Springs

9723
05:37:08,837 --> 05:37:09,504
13 years ago. 10 years ago, we

9724
05:37:09,504 --> 05:37:13,104
bought our home in the West

9725
05:37:13,508 --> 05:37:14,176
side. That doesn't seem very

9726
05:37:14,176 --> 05:37:15,777
long to most. You guys have

9727
05:37:15,777 --> 05:37:17,146
been here for much longer

9728
05:37:17,146 --> 05:37:20,146
myself. But as somebody has

9729
05:37:22,652 --> 05:37:24,488
lived in 18 states that is a

9730
05:37:24,488 --> 05:37:25,154
long time. And the West side

9731
05:37:25,154 --> 05:37:27,290
was valuable to that that's

9732
05:37:27,290 --> 05:37:30,728
where we decide to put our

9733
05:37:30,728 --> 05:37:32,496
roots down we like the

9734
05:37:32,496 --> 05:37:34,399
community. We like their

9735
05:37:34,399 --> 05:37:37,399
neighbors and we chose that

9736
05:37:39,605 --> 05:37:42,605
open a business in 2021. There

9737
05:37:42,775 --> 05:37:43,743
Here's my one shameless plug.

9738
05:37:43,743 --> 05:37:44,744
We're about to have our

9739
05:37:44,744 --> 05:37:45,478
five-year anniversary this

9740
05:37:45,478 --> 05:37:49,678
Sunday. Come see If you have a

9741
05:37:49,683 --> 05:37:50,350
cup of 30.

9742
05:37:50,350 --> 05:37:53,120
>> But I thank you all for

9743
05:37:53,120 --> 05:37:54,822
your public service and my

9744
05:37:54,822 --> 05:37:57,992
previous lives. I also as a

9745
05:37:57,992 --> 05:37:58,526
public service Army veteran. I

9746
05:37:58,526 --> 05:38:00,926
also was a wildlife

9747
05:38:01,950 --> 05:38:03,495
biologists. And work for

9748
05:38:03,498 --> 05:38:05,498
multiple government agencies

9749
05:38:06,636 --> 05:38:08,470
trying to conserve our natural

9750
05:38:08,470 --> 05:38:10,673
resources. But public service,

9751
05:38:10,673 --> 05:38:14,273
you know, it's an honor, but

9752
05:38:14,778 --> 05:38:18,378
it's also a privilege as a

9753
05:38:19,116 --> 05:38:19,750
public servant. Comes a

9754
05:38:19,750 --> 05:38:21,750
responsibility. Both your

9755
05:38:24,589 --> 05:38:25,290
country. And democracy.

9756
05:38:25,290 --> 05:38:29,127
>> The da was put in place by

9757
05:38:29,127 --> 05:38:30,463
a vote of the people. So when

9758
05:38:30,463 --> 05:38:31,300
you vote to dissolve the dda,

9759
05:38:31,300 --> 05:38:33,300
you're voting against

9760
05:38:37,369 --> 05:38:38,380
democracy. Against so that's

9761
05:38:38,380 --> 05:38:38,705
all end of the dda. You're

9762
05:38:38,705 --> 05:38:41,105
voting for Democracy. Thank

9763
05:38:43,911 --> 05:38:44,645
you.

9764
05:38:44,645 --> 05:38:47,645
>> Next step have David ballot

9765
05:38:48,149 --> 05:38:48,783
court.

9766
05:38:48,783 --> 05:38:52,383
>> I mean it back just in

9767
05:38:52,587 --> 05:38:53,388
time. Good afternoon,

9768
05:38:53,388 --> 05:38:55,388
everybody. PRESIDENT And

9769
05:38:56,926 --> 05:38:57,593
members of Council. My name is

9770
05:38:57,593 --> 05:38:59,462
Dave Allen court. I'm West

9771
05:38:59,462 --> 05:39:00,863
Side resident and occ

9772
05:39:00,863 --> 05:39:02,499
homeowner now serve on the

9773
05:39:02,499 --> 05:39:03,300
board of the Organization of

9774
05:39:03,300 --> 05:39:05,300
Westside Neighbors, which

9775
05:39:05,335 --> 05:39:07,710
represents over 8,000

9776
05:39:07,710 --> 05:39:08,906
residents and a chair. A multi

9777
05:39:08,906 --> 05:39:10,800
national committee at is Tim

9778
05:39:10,800 --> 05:39:11,109
International, where I'd

9779
05:39:11,109 --> 05:39:12,877
become quite familiar with

9780
05:39:12,877 --> 05:39:14,746
governance and the importance.

9781
05:39:14,746 --> 05:39:16,815
The process public trust

9782
05:39:16,815 --> 05:39:19,215
depends on openness. Adequate

9783
05:39:19,785 --> 05:39:21,553
notice. Honest analysis in

9784
05:39:21,553 --> 05:39:22,688
clear accountability by those

9785
05:39:22,688 --> 05:39:23,289
standards. This dissolution

9786
05:39:23,289 --> 05:39:25,570
process should concern

9787
05:39:25,570 --> 05:39:28,570
everyone in this room consider

9788
05:39:28,762 --> 05:39:29,429
the timeline. Occ stakeholders

9789
05:39:29,429 --> 05:39:31,132
raised their own money and

9790
05:39:31,132 --> 05:39:32,933
hired an experienced

9791
05:39:32,933 --> 05:39:35,333
consultant. The options were

9792
05:39:36,638 --> 05:39:37,705
studied. Was recommended

9793
05:39:37,705 --> 05:39:39,641
council approved a 2, 1, to

9794
05:39:39,641 --> 05:39:41,543
refer it to electors in voters

9795
05:39:41,543 --> 05:39:42,770
approved it council did not

9796
05:39:42,770 --> 05:39:43,110
complete the board

9797
05:39:43,110 --> 05:39:43,813
appointments until DECEMBER of

9798
05:39:43,813 --> 05:39:46,213
2025. The board organized in

9799
05:39:48,351 --> 05:39:50,253
JANUARY. Just months after

9800
05:39:50,253 --> 05:39:50,987
these volunteers were finally

9801
05:39:50,987 --> 05:39:52,789
empowered to work, they

9802
05:39:52,789 --> 05:39:53,924
learned with only 2 business

9803
05:39:53,924 --> 05:39:54,524
days. Notice that council

9804
05:39:54,524 --> 05:39:56,924
sought to dissolve this

9805
05:39:58,462 --> 05:40:00,462
organization. Council cannot

9806
05:40:00,498 --> 05:40:02,133
control, went aboard, becomes

9807
05:40:02,133 --> 05:40:02,834
operational and then fall to

9808
05:40:02,834 --> 05:40:05,834
that board for not producing

9809
05:40:06,338 --> 05:40:07,720
years of results. That is not

9810
05:40:07,720 --> 05:40:09,472
accountability. That is moving

9811
05:40:09,475 --> 05:40:12,475
the goalpost. This board is

9812
05:40:13,212 --> 05:40:14,514
made up of our neighbors.

9813
05:40:14,514 --> 05:40:16,249
Private sector, small business

9814
05:40:16,249 --> 05:40:16,917
owners, property owners and

9815
05:40:16,917 --> 05:40:17,651
residents who have invested

9816
05:40:17,651 --> 05:40:19,887
countless unpaid hours. And

9817
05:40:19,887 --> 05:40:20,587
this voter approved

9818
05:40:20,587 --> 05:40:22,987
initiative. They believe that

9819
05:40:23,657 --> 05:40:24,392
old Colorado City where I live

9820
05:40:24,392 --> 05:40:25,226
in one of Colorado Springs,

9821
05:40:25,226 --> 05:40:27,362
historic crown jewels in a

9822
05:40:27,362 --> 05:40:29,362
major visitor destination

9823
05:40:30,298 --> 05:40:31,133
deserves better than chronic

9824
05:40:31,133 --> 05:40:33,133
underinvestment. The da

9825
05:40:34,603 --> 05:40:36,439
deserves support from council.

9826
05:40:36,439 --> 05:40:37,139
Clear expectations and a fair

9827
05:40:37,139 --> 05:40:39,509
opportunity not to be cut off

9828
05:40:39,509 --> 05:40:42,713
at the knees before its work

9829
05:40:42,713 --> 05:40:43,581
can begin. As I've heard

9830
05:40:43,581 --> 05:40:44,915
councilmember Donaldson and

9831
05:40:44,915 --> 05:40:45,816
many wise members of mentors

9832
05:40:45,816 --> 05:40:46,500
of mine say let's not allow

9833
05:40:46,500 --> 05:40:49,153
perfect to become enemy of

9834
05:40:49,153 --> 05:40:52,753
good enough. Da is not merely

9835
05:40:52,757 --> 05:40:53,458
a tool for new construction.

9836
05:40:53,458 --> 05:40:54,626
Colorado law says its purpose

9837
05:40:54,626 --> 05:40:56,626
includes preventing

9838
05:40:56,762 --> 05:40:58,698
deterioration, protecting

9839
05:40:58,698 --> 05:40:59,798
property values, preservation,

9840
05:40:59,798 --> 05:41:01,567
anthoughtful reinvestment

9841
05:41:01,567 --> 05:41:03,903
are exactly what old car City

9842
05:41:03,903 --> 05:41:06,720
needs. If a bit is desired, it

9843
05:41:06,720 --> 05:41:06,773
can and often does, as I

9844
05:41:06,773 --> 05:41:08,375
believe downtown is included

9845
05:41:08,375 --> 05:41:11,375
coexist with the dda. Solution

9846
05:41:12,346 --> 05:41:14,215
is not required further,

9847
05:41:14,215 --> 05:41:15,150
starting a bid would place

9848
05:41:15,150 --> 05:41:15,850
another costly organizational

9849
05:41:15,850 --> 05:41:17,219
burden on commercial property

9850
05:41:17,219 --> 05:41:20,219
owners have already done this

9851
05:41:21,123 --> 05:41:21,724
work, reject this ordinance.

9852
05:41:21,724 --> 05:41:23,259
If councils unwilling,

9853
05:41:23,259 --> 05:41:24,326
consider postponing it for 6

9854
05:41:24,326 --> 05:41:25,600
months in establishing

9855
05:41:25,600 --> 05:41:27,460
measurable objectives with the

9856
05:41:27,730 --> 05:41:28,431
board within 30 days require

9857
05:41:28,431 --> 05:41:29,320
completion of the plan review

9858
05:41:29,320 --> 05:41:31,320
a transparent operating

9859
05:41:31,968 --> 05:41:32,669
budget. No new debt during the

9860
05:41:32,669 --> 05:41:35,690
postponement period in public

9861
05:41:35,773 --> 05:41:37,442
progress reports.

9862
05:41:37,442 --> 05:41:38,176
Councilmember Williams, you

9863
05:41:38,176 --> 05:41:39,511
represent and serve district 3

9864
05:41:39,511 --> 05:41:42,181
in currently serve on this

9865
05:41:42,181 --> 05:41:44,490
board before asking council to

9866
05:41:44,490 --> 05:41:45,684
dissolve it. I encourage you

9867
05:41:45,684 --> 05:41:47,653
to use your position to Clear

9868
05:41:47,653 --> 05:41:49,322
expectations and help it

9869
05:41:49,322 --> 05:41:50,560
succeed with your budget

9870
05:41:50,560 --> 05:41:50,861
experience in engineering

9871
05:41:50,861 --> 05:41:53,261
background, you are well

9872
05:41:53,660 --> 05:41:54,327
positioned to lead that work.

9873
05:41:54,327 --> 05:41:55,595
The responsibility to lead

9874
05:41:55,595 --> 05:41:58,595
should accompany the power to

9875
05:41:58,699 --> 05:41:59,933
dissolve if put as a vote.

9876
05:41:59,933 --> 05:42:00,635
Today come, the outcome will

9877
05:42:00,635 --> 05:42:02,670
remembered as a test of where

9878
05:42:02,670 --> 05:42:04,673
the consul empowers local

9879
05:42:04,673 --> 05:42:06,374
enterprise and respects a

9880
05:42:06,374 --> 05:42:07,750
voter approved initiative or

9881
05:42:07,750 --> 05:42:07,709
adds New Thank you. Spent by

9882
05:42:07,709 --> 05:42:09,709
forcing property owners,

9883
05:42:22,125 --> 05:42:24,125
things.

9884
05:42:28,399 --> 05:42:29,330
>> Thank you for your

9885
05:42:29,330 --> 05:42:32,330
comments. I just want to

9886
05:42:33,271 --> 05:42:34,306
clarify. The board was place

9887
05:42:34,306 --> 05:42:36,410
from the time that the vote

9888
05:42:36,410 --> 05:42:36,976
took place. So I don't want

9889
05:42:36,976 --> 05:42:38,911
the audience to think that the

9890
05:42:38,911 --> 05:42:41,311
board did not exist.

9891
05:42:41,881 --> 05:42:43,450
>> Until the end of 2025.

9892
05:42:43,450 --> 05:42:44,151
>> The board had been in place

9893
05:42:44,151 --> 05:42:44,851
either. You know, right when

9894
05:42:44,851 --> 05:42:47,621
the election happened or when

9895
05:42:47,621 --> 05:42:48,322
that was ratified, we have to

9896
05:42:48,322 --> 05:42:51,322
clarify the clerk, the board

9897
05:42:51,793 --> 05:42:54,793
was not. Not in existence.

9898
05:42:55,797 --> 05:42:59,397
That will time. So just a

9899
05:43:10,948 --> 05:43:12,617
>> Next we have Kurt Hail.

9900
05:43:12,617 --> 05:43:15,453
>> High I'm some of you guys

9901
05:43:15,453 --> 05:43:17,989
actually know I am. Change my

9902
05:43:17,989 --> 05:43:20,926
hair, role that, you know, try

9903
05:43:20,926 --> 05:43:22,928
and make myself more presume

9904
05:43:22,928 --> 05:43:24,997
will and the respective

9905
05:43:24,997 --> 05:43:25,664
council members, which I

9906
05:43:25,664 --> 05:43:27,664
personally that personally,

9907
05:43:28,968 --> 05:43:29,702
when you run just, you know,

9908
05:43:29,702 --> 05:43:31,404
it's kind of hard for ready to

9909
05:43:31,404 --> 05:43:34,404
speak, which is so much

9910
05:43:34,641 --> 05:43:35,375
support for people that have

9911
05:43:35,375 --> 05:43:38,375
my bat even know I'm

9912
05:43:39,414 --> 05:43:41,814
considered houseless is before

9913
05:43:44,190 --> 05:43:47,619
causes. Don't you live on the

9914
05:43:48,257 --> 05:43:49,258
well? I over and was your

9915
05:43:49,258 --> 05:43:52,858
house this going to see people

9916
05:43:54,831 --> 05:43:57,831
don't really get. In 2019, I

9917
05:43:59,269 --> 05:44:02,373
mean, it it sorry. In 2006 to

9918
05:44:02,373 --> 05:44:05,109
my wife passed away. Okay. And

9919
05:44:05,109 --> 05:44:07,678
when we first got here as

9920
05:44:07,678 --> 05:44:10,678
because we just and just

9921
05:44:11,517 --> 05:44:12,218
stopping go and you have

9922
05:44:12,218 --> 05:44:15,818
working in Beira fires on the

9923
05:44:18,892 --> 05:44:19,626
north side town. And morning

9924
05:44:19,626 --> 05:44:22,596
If we and I hope the West side

9925
05:44:22,596 --> 05:44:26,196
would come over. I was west

9926
05:44:31,305 --> 05:44:32,690
side. Those guys you know, on

9927
05:44:32,690 --> 05:44:35,690
gene in JUNE. Really well,

9928
05:44:36,645 --> 05:44:39,450
there. United. You. He

9929
05:44:41,718 --> 05:44:42,418
forecast coalition and who

9930
05:44:42,418 --> 05:44:44,521
sometimes that are from been

9931
05:44:44,521 --> 05:44:48,721
part of town this is our site.

9932
05:44:50,127 --> 05:44:50,861
You know, because okay, will.

9933
05:44:50,861 --> 05:44:53,564
She's so she started inquiring

9934
05:44:53,564 --> 05:44:55,266
with guys are wreck. He was so

9935
05:44:55,266 --> 05:44:57,602
great about the let's say in

9936
05:44:57,602 --> 05:45:00,205
the city because we have the

9937
05:45:00,205 --> 05:45:03,205
respect. Just the people to

9938
05:45:04,142 --> 05:45:06,542
community euros. Issue as

9939
05:45:07,846 --> 05:45:10,846
well. Where's that was signed

9940
05:45:11,418 --> 05:45:12,452
they go? Well, ma'am, no

9941
05:45:12,452 --> 05:45:14,452
disrespect. Huge, especially

9942
05:45:15,220 --> 05:45:17,724
to put just we're headed 2

9943
05:45:17,724 --> 05:45:20,724
Chicago area and Chicago Scott

9944
05:45:23,465 --> 05:45:26,465
was market. High. Our town

9945
05:45:26,869 --> 05:45:29,304
working just fine to my wife

9946
05:45:29,304 --> 05:45:31,707
well, I was asleep on the mat

9947
05:45:31,707 --> 05:45:35,110
let you know if we shouldn't.

9948
05:45:35,110 --> 05:45:35,712
Check it out or whatever. And

9949
05:45:35,712 --> 05:45:39,312
there's no fact that when we

9950
05:45:39,649 --> 05:45:42,649
got here. To just like

9951
05:45:43,787 --> 05:45:46,787
blockages. Thank you, year but

9952
05:45:50,395 --> 05:45:51,620
just respect, his His passion

9953
05:45:51,620 --> 05:45:54,620
tours was expected to stay

9954
05:45:56,268 --> 05:45:57,603
there for long. But just and

9955
05:45:57,603 --> 05:46:01,203
this, I appreciate all of you

9956
05:46:02,800 --> 05:46:05,800
guys in sport on donation.

9957
05:46:06,120 --> 05:46:07,380
Where you from. And from the

9958
05:46:07,380 --> 05:46:08,448
West side. But technically

9959
05:46:08,448 --> 05:46:10,848
southwest side ethic. She

9960
05:46:17,225 --> 05:46:19,625
grabbed Thank you guys.

9961
05:46:23,699 --> 05:46:27,299
>> Next step we have Jay Gust.

9962
05:46:27,704 --> 05:46:29,773
>> Well, good afternoon It's a

9963
05:46:29,773 --> 05:46:30,607
way course, please vote. No

9964
05:46:30,607 --> 05:46:31,274
write. We got that. We got

9965
05:46:31,274 --> 05:46:31,975
that are in control. And I

9966
05:46:31,975 --> 05:46:32,676
want to say thank you because

9967
05:46:32,676 --> 05:46:35,479
heard from not only business

9968
05:46:35,479 --> 05:46:36,580
owners, building owners,

9969
05:46:36,580 --> 05:46:38,580
residents from Gateway

9970
05:46:38,849 --> 05:46:39,483
residents from the center

9971
05:46:39,483 --> 05:46:41,883
area. Residents from occ

9972
05:46:42,190 --> 05:46:42,754
proper from all around the

9973
05:46:42,754 --> 05:46:43,454
correct. I mean, this. This is

9974
05:46:43,454 --> 05:46:46,591
a facts of this isn't like a

9975
05:46:46,591 --> 05:46:47,258
once. I think this is like

9976
05:46:47,258 --> 05:46:48,270
here's a subtle floor block

9977
05:46:48,270 --> 05:46:49,928
slice that we're going to take

9978
05:46:49,928 --> 05:46:50,663
care of the point. The da was

9979
05:46:50,663 --> 05:46:52,798
to take a look at as a unified

9980
05:46:52,798 --> 05:46:54,667
whole and really bring that

9981
05:46:54,667 --> 05:46:56,536
together. And we've done that.

9982
05:46:56,536 --> 05:46:57,503
And I think proven right here

9983
05:46:57,503 --> 05:46:58,171
that this is happening now.

9984
05:46:58,171 --> 05:46:59,439
This is just the start is a

9985
05:46:59,439 --> 05:47:00,540
young boy that has really been

9986
05:47:00,540 --> 05:47:02,610
developed. It is a had a

9987
05:47:02,610 --> 05:47:03,311
chance to run. It still

9988
05:47:03,311 --> 05:47:03,978
crawling its a baby. This is

9989
05:47:03,978 --> 05:47:06,881
all that now be absolutely

9990
05:47:06,881 --> 05:47:07,615
before jury because there's no

9991
05:47:07,615 --> 05:47:08,349
there's too much money sitting

9992
05:47:08,349 --> 05:47:09,317
stake. There's too much energy

9993
05:47:09,317 --> 05:47:12,917
put behind her ready, get the

9994
05:47:12,955 --> 05:47:13,655
chance succeed, get it funded.

9995
05:47:13,655 --> 05:47:15,157
In fact, the next time I come

9996
05:47:15,157 --> 05:47:15,791
up here, I would love to be

9997
05:47:15,791 --> 05:47:18,791
asking, get on the ballot

9998
05:47:19,362 --> 05:47:20,196
measure. Don't have to have to

9999
05:47:20,196 --> 05:47:23,196
use a third-party company or

10000
05:47:23,299 --> 05:47:23,967
use it get on our ballot. You

10001
05:47:23,967 --> 05:47:24,667
guys going on that. That's

10002
05:47:24,667 --> 05:47:28,267
what love to see. And that's

10003
05:47:33,780 --> 05:47:34,112
really at this.

10004
05:47:34,112 --> 05:47:34,812
>> That is the end of public

10005
05:47:34,812 --> 05:47:36,915
comment. We will now move it

10006
05:47:36,915 --> 05:47:38,683
to the diocese for.

10007
05:47:38,683 --> 05:47:40,683
>> Question COUNCILMAN Casey.

10008
05:47:50,630 --> 05:47:50,497
So on it was said

10009
05:47:50,497 --> 05:47:52,497
>> He

10010
05:47:53,367 --> 05:47:55,367
>> was all year.

10011
05:47:58,205 --> 05:47:59,773
>> And speaking at

10012
05:47:59,773 --> 05:48:00,341
>> I

10013
05:48:00,341 --> 05:48:02,341
>> think everybody in

10014
05:48:04,546 --> 05:48:06,546
opportunity.

10015
05:48:08,251 --> 05:48:10,251
>> the meantime, COUNCILMAN

10016
05:48:12,540 --> 05:48:12,788
Casey.

10017
05:48:12,788 --> 05:48:13,456
>> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,

10018
05:48:13,456 --> 05:48:14,790
ever few questions for your

10019
05:48:14,790 --> 05:48:17,190
eye worker. Urban renewal,

10020
05:48:24,502 --> 05:48:27,502
Florida. So we're it's a

10021
05:48:28,340 --> 05:48:29,410
discussion about dda vs this

10022
05:48:29,410 --> 05:48:31,441
improvement district. Can you

10023
05:48:31,944 --> 05:48:32,611
talk through that? And if the

10024
05:48:32,611 --> 05:48:33,979
dd a word is old and a bit

10025
05:48:33,979 --> 05:48:36,715
will swarm be the timeline.

10026
05:48:36,715 --> 05:48:38,351
>> Process costs. Benefits to

10027
05:48:38,351 --> 05:48:40,751
road to resistance and

10028
05:48:45,191 --> 05:48:47,561
>> small business owners are.

10029
05:48:47,561 --> 05:48:49,363
That's a long It's good to be

10030
05:48:49,363 --> 05:48:51,565
a little review good to talk

10031
05:48:51,565 --> 05:48:52,500
it. Just for the record dry

10032
05:48:52,500 --> 05:48:53,301
Walker executive director of

10033
05:48:53,301 --> 05:48:55,701
the Colorado Springs Urban

10034
05:48:57,138 --> 05:48:59,108
Renewal Authority I think, you

10035
05:48:59,108 --> 05:49:02,108
know, in the beginning of

10036
05:49:03,450 --> 05:49:03,947
this, you know, I will say it

10037
05:49:03,947 --> 05:49:04,880
you are donated to this You

10038
05:49:04,880 --> 05:49:05,582
know, not only with some great

10039
05:49:05,582 --> 05:49:08,582
volunteers. I think you heard

10040
05:49:09,219 --> 05:49:09,887
months from the day, but we

10041
05:49:09,887 --> 05:49:10,487
we're under the impression

10042
05:49:10,487 --> 05:49:13,190
this was going to be a

10043
05:49:13,190 --> 05:49:13,924
business improvement district.

10044
05:49:13,924 --> 05:49:14,758
And actually, I was the one of

10045
05:49:14,758 --> 05:49:17,758
the members of that downtown

10046
05:49:18,529 --> 05:49:19,263
Colorado in custody that had

10047
05:49:19,263 --> 05:49:21,266
looked at this area. And I was

10048
05:49:21,266 --> 05:49:21,966
doing that is a volunteer at

10049
05:49:21,966 --> 05:49:22,667
that point in time. The kind

10050
05:49:22,667 --> 05:49:26,267
of came to that that solution

10051
05:49:26,805 --> 05:49:28,874
at that point in order to do.

10052
05:49:28,874 --> 05:49:29,508
Yeah. I mean, obviously with

10053
05:49:29,508 --> 05:49:31,277
the dda, the problem that

10054
05:49:31,277 --> 05:49:34,877
we're in now is that you've

10055
05:49:35,282 --> 05:49:35,882
got Didi that's funded. But

10056
05:49:35,882 --> 05:49:36,583
you've got no financial

10057
05:49:36,583 --> 05:49:37,885
mechanism behind it. So, you

10058
05:49:37,885 --> 05:49:39,586
know, while I can certainly

10059
05:49:39,586 --> 05:49:40,288
appreciate a lot of the folks

10060
05:49:40,288 --> 05:49:42,289
that said we want to be self

10061
05:49:42,289 --> 05:49:44,525
Reliant Self funded. That part

10062
05:49:44,525 --> 05:49:46,925
of this election actually

10063
05:49:47,461 --> 05:49:50,531
failed. And so we creates this

10064
05:49:50,531 --> 05:49:53,569
ambiguity of how do we you

10065
05:49:53,569 --> 05:49:54,270
know, how do we do projects in

10066
05:49:54,270 --> 05:49:56,138
this area? Is this a taxing

10067
05:49:56,138 --> 05:49:59,475
entity or is this not a taxing

10068
05:49:59,475 --> 05:50:00,577
entity? Unfortunately, is kind

10069
05:50:00,577 --> 05:50:02,545
of a worst case scenario. You

10070
05:50:02,545 --> 05:50:04,648
know, when you're going for d

10071
05:50:04,648 --> 05:50:06,850
b a as far as the business

10072
05:50:06,850 --> 05:50:09,250
improvement district side, you

10073
05:50:09,820 --> 05:50:10,421
heard a lot of the comments

10074
05:50:10,421 --> 05:50:11,550
that up here, you know,

10075
05:50:11,550 --> 05:50:12,457
maintenance, cleanliness,

10076
05:50:12,457 --> 05:50:14,457
marketing promotion, business

10077
05:50:15,126 --> 05:50:17,126
support maintaining things

10078
05:50:17,362 --> 05:50:18,330
investing. Most of that is

10079
05:50:18,330 --> 05:50:20,600
geared towards business might

10080
05:50:20,600 --> 05:50:22,401
find most of the people that

10081
05:50:22,401 --> 05:50:25,972
spoke GOD bless them but are

10082
05:50:25,972 --> 05:50:26,673
small business owners so the

10083
05:50:26,673 --> 05:50:28,642
you know, typically when you

10084
05:50:28,642 --> 05:50:30,810
start hearing those level of

10085
05:50:30,810 --> 05:50:32,546
things, that year's more

10086
05:50:32,546 --> 05:50:33,414
itself towards a business

10087
05:50:33,414 --> 05:50:34,449
improvement district. Now,

10088
05:50:34,449 --> 05:50:35,149
nice thing about business

10089
05:50:35,149 --> 05:50:35,983
improvement District says it

10090
05:50:35,983 --> 05:50:38,787
doesn't have to be just 5

10091
05:50:38,787 --> 05:50:40,210
mills. It can be, you know, I

10092
05:50:40,210 --> 05:50:40,822
think we got some in this

10093
05:50:40,822 --> 05:50:42,557
community that are up to 50

10094
05:50:42,557 --> 05:50:43,525
plus miles, right? Kind of

10095
05:50:43,525 --> 05:50:45,827
depends on on their palate and

10096
05:50:45,827 --> 05:50:47,596
what they want to do with

10097
05:50:47,596 --> 05:50:49,932
that. But it does give the

10098
05:50:49,932 --> 05:50:52,332
Brett to promote the

10099
05:50:52,502 --> 05:50:53,203
businesses to do that.

10100
05:50:53,203 --> 05:50:53,836
Placemaking there to kind of

10101
05:50:53,836 --> 05:50:56,236
promote the events beyond

10102
05:50:57,474 --> 05:50:58,976
territory days, etc in in that

10103
05:50:58,976 --> 05:51:02,279
is typically you know how it's

10104
05:51:02,279 --> 05:51:05,349
used in Colorado as far as

10105
05:51:05,349 --> 05:51:08,220
this, you know, dda measure

10106
05:51:08,220 --> 05:51:08,953
again, I to me you went into

10107
05:51:08,953 --> 05:51:12,553
this hurdle and the reason why

10108
05:51:13,259 --> 05:51:13,960
the eu or a was leery of the

10109
05:51:13,960 --> 05:51:16,162
dda and why we said we didn't

10110
05:51:16,162 --> 05:51:18,164
support it at that point in

10111
05:51:18,164 --> 05:51:18,896
time was simply for the fact

10112
05:51:18,896 --> 05:51:21,168
that the map was way too big.

10113
05:51:21,168 --> 05:51:22,603
I think Adam and I really

10114
05:51:22,603 --> 05:51:23,637
appreciate your comments a

10115
05:51:23,637 --> 05:51:26,637
minimum. I'm sorry. You feel

10116
05:51:27,775 --> 05:51:30,311
that too. That kind of eastern

10117
05:51:30,311 --> 05:51:32,711
swath, right? That pickax

10118
05:51:34,820 --> 05:51:35,830
peace, you know, of that map.

10119
05:51:35,830 --> 05:51:35,850
That area was one of those

10120
05:51:35,850 --> 05:51:38,120
areas where we're looking at

10121
05:51:38,120 --> 05:51:40,223
saying this is not even really

10122
05:51:40,223 --> 05:51:40,890
tying into, you know, the old

10123
05:51:40,890 --> 05:51:41,457
Colorado City corridor and

10124
05:51:41,457 --> 05:51:43,857
when you've even got

10125
05:51:45,161 --> 05:51:45,795
properties north of Street, I

10126
05:51:45,795 --> 05:51:46,529
think it's a stretch, you

10127
05:51:46,529 --> 05:51:48,999
know, to think that that's all

10128
05:51:48,999 --> 05:51:50,267
going to be one corridor. The

10129
05:51:50,267 --> 05:51:50,934
other problem that we saw with

10130
05:51:50,934 --> 05:51:53,737
the dda is that you really

10131
05:51:53,737 --> 05:51:54,371
taking things from that

10132
05:51:54,371 --> 05:51:55,707
business perspective. And

10133
05:51:55,707 --> 05:51:58,610
again, that list that I read

10134
05:51:58,610 --> 05:52:00,179
is mainly around businesses.

10135
05:52:00,179 --> 05:52:02,579
You're putting that shared

10136
05:52:02,981 --> 05:52:04,817
costs on residential units

10137
05:52:04,817 --> 05:52:06,853
without as much benefit to

10138
05:52:06,853 --> 05:52:08,921
them as it applies to the

10139
05:52:08,921 --> 05:52:10,957
businesses themselves so weak.

10140
05:52:10,957 --> 05:52:13,260
We create this weird dichotomy

10141
05:52:13,260 --> 05:52:13,960
with you know what? What are

10142
05:52:13,960 --> 05:52:15,963
the residential units get out

10143
05:52:15,963 --> 05:52:17,197
of this? How does that all

10144
05:52:17,197 --> 05:52:19,597
connect together, cetera. So

10145
05:52:19,800 --> 05:52:20,634
even the downtown dda, the

10146
05:52:20,634 --> 05:52:23,471
current one or the one in the

10147
05:52:23,471 --> 05:52:25,871
downtown proper area, they

10148
05:52:26,441 --> 05:52:27,108
started with the business

10149
05:52:27,108 --> 05:52:27,810
Improvement District 2. And

10150
05:52:27,810 --> 05:52:28,477
the nice thing about business

10151
05:52:28,477 --> 05:52:29,144
improvement districts, they

10152
05:52:29,144 --> 05:52:31,647
give you an opportunity to

10153
05:52:31,647 --> 05:52:32,481
kind of start, you know, start

10154
05:52:32,481 --> 05:52:34,484
out a ground level. Start

10155
05:52:34,484 --> 05:52:36,786
basic can be able to chomp

10156
05:52:36,786 --> 05:52:38,387
through some of these things

10157
05:52:38,387 --> 05:52:39,122
that they want cleaned up. And

10158
05:52:39,122 --> 05:52:41,225
that means level. And and, you

10159
05:52:41,225 --> 05:52:41,925
know, either us what's just

10160
05:52:41,925 --> 05:52:44,729
it's an easier pc. Typically

10161
05:52:44,729 --> 05:52:45,429
just have to do a petition

10162
05:52:45,429 --> 05:52:47,465
from this business owners to

10163
05:52:47,465 --> 05:52:50,368
qualify for the ballot in from

10164
05:52:50,368 --> 05:52:51,669
a cost perspective. You know,

10165
05:52:51,669 --> 05:52:52,270
I know I've actually had some

10166
05:52:52,270 --> 05:52:54,270
conversations with some

10167
05:52:55,707 --> 05:52:56,341
members of the dda and I think

10168
05:52:56,341 --> 05:52:56,975
there was one, you know,

10169
05:52:56,975 --> 05:52:59,975
quote, that they got for

10170
05:53:00,646 --> 05:53:01,247
$30,000 to win an election.

10171
05:53:01,247 --> 05:53:01,881
I'm not sure. You know,

10172
05:53:01,881 --> 05:53:02,515
obviously that's going to

10173
05:53:02,515 --> 05:53:05,510
depend on on the private

10174
05:53:05,510 --> 05:53:07,200
companies if they choose. But

10175
05:53:07,200 --> 05:53:09,890
I don't think it would be an

10176
05:53:09,890 --> 05:53:10,900
overwhelming costs, especially

10177
05:53:10,900 --> 05:53:11,359
since you have so many

10178
05:53:11,359 --> 05:53:13,260
business owners in that old

10179
05:53:13,260 --> 05:53:13,728
Colorado City proper area

10180
05:53:13,728 --> 05:53:17,328
that's in the support be some

10181
05:53:18,367 --> 05:53:20,235
sort of self taxation.

10182
05:53:20,235 --> 05:53:20,836
>> Process reform in the bid

10183
05:53:20,836 --> 05:53:21,503
getting from a visit to

10184
05:53:21,503 --> 05:53:23,903
separate measures was last

10185
05:53:24,807 --> 05:53:25,875
time and the there some

10186
05:53:25,875 --> 05:53:26,576
concern about what we already

10187
05:53:26,576 --> 05:53:27,777
spent all for doing. Could be

10188
05:53:27,777 --> 05:53:31,377
kind of wasted effort to start

10189
05:53:32,816 --> 05:53:34,584
all over again.

10190
05:53:34,584 --> 05:53:36,420
>> Yeah, I think, you know,

10191
05:53:36,420 --> 05:53:37,754
they're made to me and again,

10192
05:53:37,754 --> 05:53:38,489
I appreciate you know, I

10193
05:53:38,489 --> 05:53:40,624
appreciate all the comments. I

10194
05:53:40,624 --> 05:53:41,826
think the challenging thing is

10195
05:53:41,826 --> 05:53:42,927
when you're when you're

10196
05:53:42,927 --> 05:53:43,628
dealing with something where

10197
05:53:43,628 --> 05:53:45,563
you have to like a designate

10198
05:53:45,563 --> 05:53:46,398
or of you know, it doesn't

10199
05:53:46,398 --> 05:53:48,670
need or of election, you know,

10200
05:53:48,670 --> 05:53:49,267
status. So if you're a

10201
05:53:49,267 --> 05:53:49,968
business owner, you have to

10202
05:53:49,968 --> 05:53:51,470
actually be given a sheet of

10203
05:53:51,470 --> 05:53:54,274
paper that says that you're

10204
05:53:54,274 --> 05:53:55,241
going to vote as somebody you

10205
05:53:55,241 --> 05:53:56,610
know, and you're going to vote

10206
05:53:56,610 --> 05:53:57,811
for that business. If you're a

10207
05:53:57,811 --> 05:53:58,511
sole proprietor or deed had

10208
05:53:58,511 --> 05:54:01,548
doing business as you can get

10209
05:54:01,548 --> 05:54:03,617
a ballot normally. But in this

10210
05:54:03,617 --> 05:54:04,719
scenario, you have to actually

10211
05:54:04,719 --> 05:54:06,321
feel something out in in to

10212
05:54:06,321 --> 05:54:06,988
me. I think that's kind of

10213
05:54:06,988 --> 05:54:08,957
what happened here. I think

10214
05:54:08,957 --> 05:54:09,658
that's where huge disconnect

10215
05:54:09,658 --> 05:54:12,658
actually occurred is that you

10216
05:54:12,995 --> 05:54:13,695
had a lot of people I heard

10217
05:54:13,695 --> 05:54:17,295
from a lot of people because

10218
05:54:18,814 --> 05:54:18,990
the a lot of people confuse

10219
05:54:18,990 --> 05:54:19,302
you or is indeed these 2. But

10220
05:54:19,302 --> 05:54:20,200
I actually think you have

10221
05:54:20,200 --> 05:54:23,573
people thinking I never got a

10222
05:54:23,573 --> 05:54:25,800
ballot. And maybe they didn't

10223
05:54:25,800 --> 05:54:25,742
get that designation form that

10224
05:54:25,742 --> 05:54:26,443
they didn't know how to do it.

10225
05:54:26,443 --> 05:54:29,790
So just over complicated the

10226
05:54:29,790 --> 05:54:30,114
process a little bit. But as

10227
05:54:30,114 --> 05:54:31,749
far as from a business

10228
05:54:31,749 --> 05:54:32,483
improvement district level,

10229
05:54:32,483 --> 05:54:34,552
those same businesses and that

10230
05:54:34,552 --> 05:54:38,152
occ proper area, which I would

10231
05:54:38,624 --> 05:54:39,458
classify, as you know, 21st

10232
05:54:39,458 --> 05:54:41,260
the 31st. Maybe that's a

10233
05:54:41,260 --> 05:54:41,961
little generous, you know. But

10234
05:54:41,961 --> 05:54:42,828
that seems like what would be

10235
05:54:42,828 --> 05:54:45,828
what that area would would

10236
05:54:47,000 --> 05:54:48,134
become I would imagine with

10237
05:54:48,134 --> 05:54:49,670
the outreach that they did. A

10238
05:54:49,670 --> 05:54:50,737
lot of people that said that

10239
05:54:50,737 --> 05:54:54,174
spoke hair. I don't think that

10240
05:54:54,174 --> 05:54:55,742
would be a heavy lift to get

10241
05:54:55,742 --> 05:54:56,476
that group to support a

10242
05:54:56,476 --> 05:54:58,476
business improvement district,

10243
05:55:00,882 --> 05:55:04,482
at least in my opinion. Thank

10244
05:55:07,355 --> 05:55:08,256
>> COUNCILMAN Donaldson do you

10245
05:55:08,256 --> 05:55:11,256
have questions for dry up?

10246
05:55:12,162 --> 05:55:12,862
Because I do have MISTER

10247
05:55:12,862 --> 05:55:13,563
Radcliffe here who wasn't on

10248
05:55:13,563 --> 05:55:17,634
the list, but now is that I'm

10249
05:55:17,634 --> 05:55:18,702
going to give 3 minutes to.

10250
05:55:18,702 --> 05:55:20,604
>> Please do let the other

10251
05:55:20,604 --> 05:55:21,572
speakers. I don't know if

10252
05:55:21,572 --> 05:55:22,706
there are any others that

10253
05:55:22,706 --> 05:55:23,307
chance. Just it's MR.

10254
05:55:23,307 --> 05:55:25,707
Ratcliffe. But you do 3

10255
05:55:27,512 --> 05:55:29,512
minutes.

10256
05:55:29,648 --> 05:55:31,617
>> look at that. That's

10257
05:55:31,617 --> 05:55:33,585
exciting. Good afternoon

10258
05:55:33,585 --> 05:55:35,621
Council. My name is Matt Ryan

10259
05:55:35,621 --> 05:55:36,589
Clift and I serve on the old

10260
05:55:36,589 --> 05:55:37,323
Colorado City Associates Board

10261
05:55:37,323 --> 05:55:40,994
and I'm asking you to not does

10262
05:55:40,994 --> 05:55:43,960
all of the dda today. I'm also

10263
05:55:43,960 --> 05:55:43,763
PRESIDENT Of Springs Ensemble

10264
05:55:43,763 --> 05:55:44,431
Theatre, nonprofit theater

10265
05:55:44,431 --> 05:55:47,431
company that moved into old

10266
05:55:48,350 --> 05:55:48,769
Colorado City a few years ago.

10267
05:55:48,769 --> 05:55:50,504
That's my time at the

10268
05:55:50,504 --> 05:55:52,904
neighborhood. And I've seen

10269
05:55:52,974 --> 05:55:53,941
firsthand through both of

10270
05:55:53,941 --> 05:55:55,476
those things. The theater

10271
05:55:55,476 --> 05:55:57,312
business and old Colorado City

10272
05:55:57,312 --> 05:55:57,912
associates, just what it takes

10273
05:55:57,912 --> 05:55:59,748
for all of these small

10274
05:55:59,748 --> 05:56:00,449
business owners to keep their

10275
05:56:00,449 --> 05:56:03,449
businesses alive. And for us

10276
05:56:04,420 --> 05:56:06,556
to keep the life today around

10277
05:56:06,556 --> 05:56:09,526
700 people live within the old

10278
05:56:09,526 --> 05:56:10,193
Colorado City Dva alongside

10279
05:56:10,193 --> 05:56:11,428
400 great local businesses.

10280
05:56:11,428 --> 05:56:13,697
Many of which you heard from

10281
05:56:13,697 --> 05:56:15,900
today longest that many good

10282
05:56:15,900 --> 05:56:17,900
sampling. Award-winning

10283
05:56:18,200 --> 05:56:19,570
theatre o run by people who

10284
05:56:19,570 --> 05:56:21,390
have sunk their lives and

10285
05:56:21,390 --> 05:56:21,706
savings into the neighborhood.

10286
05:56:21,706 --> 05:56:23,575
Residents walked the same

10287
05:56:23,575 --> 05:56:24,209
streets and deal with the same

10288
05:56:24,209 --> 05:56:26,377
issues the businesses are

10289
05:56:26,377 --> 05:56:28,213
dealing with next door parking

10290
05:56:28,213 --> 05:56:30,450
revenue that's collected from

10291
05:56:30,450 --> 05:56:32,151
o'Connor City reinvested in

10292
05:56:32,151 --> 05:56:32,952
the city wide parking system.

10293
05:56:32,952 --> 05:56:35,689
But the district next to

10294
05:56:35,689 --> 05:56:37,858
control where any of that

10295
05:56:37,858 --> 05:56:38,625
money goes independent website

10296
05:56:38,625 --> 05:56:41,250
owned businesses rarely get

10297
05:56:41,863 --> 05:56:42,696
the car in residence really

10298
05:56:42,696 --> 05:56:44,131
get the kind of coordinated

10299
05:56:44,131 --> 05:56:46,131
support, investment, bigger

10300
05:56:47,936 --> 05:56:49,303
corridors take for granted. So

10301
05:56:49,303 --> 05:56:50,390
residents and business owners

10302
05:56:50,390 --> 05:56:50,672
from Old Colorado City got

10303
05:56:50,672 --> 05:56:53,720
together research ways to

10304
05:56:53,142 --> 05:56:54,409
reinvest in the neighborhood 2

10305
05:56:54,409 --> 05:56:56,980
years ago they presented the

10306
05:56:56,980 --> 05:56:57,647
case for why a dd a and not a

10307
05:56:57,647 --> 05:57:00,850
bid was the best choice for

10308
05:57:00,850 --> 05:57:01,484
all Colorado City. This

10309
05:57:01,484 --> 05:57:03,954
council voted to put the

10310
05:57:03,954 --> 05:57:04,621
question in front of voters.

10311
05:57:04,621 --> 05:57:05,522
The first reading was 8 to

10312
05:57:05,522 --> 05:57:06,456
one. The final vote was 7 to

10313
05:57:06,456 --> 05:57:09,456
2. That doesn't feel like a

10314
05:57:09,961 --> 05:57:10,962
close call to me. Then the

10315
05:57:10,962 --> 05:57:13,300
people of all colors city

10316
05:57:13,300 --> 05:57:14,732
voted and they said, yes, they

10317
05:57:14,732 --> 05:57:15,433
said yes to possible

10318
05:57:15,433 --> 05:57:16,340
investments included in the

10319
05:57:16,340 --> 05:57:18,340
proposal, city council

10320
05:57:19,471 --> 05:57:20,539
reviewed and 2024 things like

10321
05:57:20,539 --> 05:57:21,840
safety and homeless outreach,

10322
05:57:21,840 --> 05:57:24,143
which is the top priority for

10323
05:57:24,143 --> 05:57:26,543
83% of residents and business

10324
05:57:26,846 --> 05:57:27,848
owners support for fixing up

10325
05:57:27,848 --> 05:57:29,820
aging building center signs,

10326
05:57:29,820 --> 05:57:30,918
which was the resident second

10327
05:57:30,918 --> 05:57:32,620
highest priority right behind

10328
05:57:32,620 --> 05:57:34,288
safety programming and events

10329
05:57:34,288 --> 05:57:36,357
that activate old Colorado

10330
05:57:36,357 --> 05:57:38,460
City. The people voted yes to

10331
05:57:38,460 --> 05:57:39,627
investing. And what makes old

10332
05:57:39,627 --> 05:57:43,227
Colorado City a great place to

10333
05:57:43,432 --> 05:57:44,266
live work and visit 600

10334
05:57:44,266 --> 05:57:44,934
residents and business owners

10335
05:57:44,934 --> 05:57:47,934
weighed in over 2 years to

10336
05:57:48,304 --> 05:57:49,205
shape the plan. 78% said Old

10337
05:57:49,205 --> 05:57:52,205
Colorado City needed some form

10338
05:57:53,900 --> 05:57:53,710
of the new funding model. The

10339
05:57:53,710 --> 05:57:55,979
da is a well thought out plan

10340
05:57:55,979 --> 05:57:56,780
to revive him. Preserve old

10341
05:57:56,780 --> 05:57:57,948
Colorado City. This council

10342
05:57:57,948 --> 05:58:01,548
studied it and sent it to

10343
05:58:01,785 --> 05:58:02,486
voters. The voters approved it

10344
05:58:02,486 --> 05:58:03,988
dissolving it now before it's

10345
05:58:03,988 --> 05:58:04,822
even had a real shot means

10346
05:58:04,822 --> 05:58:05,623
overturning with the people of

10347
05:58:05,623 --> 05:58:08,460
all Colorado City decided at

10348
05:58:08,460 --> 05:58:10,462
the ballot box. Please do not

10349
05:58:10,462 --> 05:58:11,620
dissolve the dda. Thank you

10350
05:58:11,620 --> 05:58:14,620
for your time and your

10351
05:58:19,500 --> 05:58:21,500
consideration.

10352
05:58:23,177 --> 05:58:25,177
>> COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

10353
05:58:25,279 --> 05:58:27,281
>> Yes, thanks, MADAM You

10354
05:58:27,281 --> 05:58:27,982
know, the 2 votes were just

10355
05:58:27,982 --> 05:58:30,218
referenced and vote twice on

10356
05:58:30,218 --> 05:58:31,352
an ordinance. First was 8 to

10357
05:58:31,352 --> 05:58:32,220
one. Michael Melia voted no.

10358
05:58:32,220 --> 05:58:35,900
And then the second was 72 and

10359
05:58:35,900 --> 05:58:36,224
I was one of the 2 cause. I

10360
05:58:36,224 --> 05:58:38,994
was worried about the ballots

10361
05:58:38,994 --> 05:58:40,596
and how that was going to work

10362
05:58:40,596 --> 05:58:41,297
and that there could be some

10363
05:58:41,297 --> 05:58:43,532
confusion. Sarah and I talked

10364
05:58:43,532 --> 05:58:46,532
about that on the balloting,

10365
05:58:47,370 --> 05:58:48,605
but it's it's been done.

10366
05:58:48,605 --> 05:58:50,140
>> And the citizens of voted,

10367
05:58:50,140 --> 05:58:50,774
the citizens within these

10368
05:58:50,774 --> 05:58:53,174
boundaries voted and they

10369
05:58:54,778 --> 05:58:55,946
voted yes to to have a d d a.

10370
05:58:55,946 --> 05:58:56,915
>> So, you know, I'll be

10371
05:58:56,915 --> 05:59:00,515
voting no today on this on

10372
05:59:04,490 --> 05:59:06,490
this ordinance.

10373
05:59:06,525 --> 05:59:07,626
>> There there's a unique

10374
05:59:07,626 --> 05:59:10,260
history here, right found

10375
05:59:10,263 --> 05:59:10,930
colony which became Colorado

10376
05:59:10,930 --> 05:59:12,399
Springs wasn't even here on

10377
05:59:12,399 --> 05:59:14,968
the open. Colorado City was

10378
05:59:14,968 --> 05:59:15,669
here. So it makes sense that

10379
05:59:15,669 --> 05:59:17,905
there's to downtown's. There

10380
05:59:17,905 --> 05:59:19,273
really is a second downtown or

10381
05:59:19,273 --> 05:59:20,140
maybe it's the first downtown.

10382
05:59:20,140 --> 05:59:22,943
And this is the second

10383
05:59:22,943 --> 05:59:24,212
downtown that we're in right

10384
05:59:24,212 --> 05:59:25,947
now. So I know there was some

10385
05:59:25,947 --> 05:59:26,781
conversation about that in our

10386
05:59:26,781 --> 05:59:29,217
last meeting that will nobody

10387
05:59:29,217 --> 05:59:30,852
else has to da's is crazy.

10388
05:59:30,852 --> 05:59:33,852
Well, Colorado Springs has a

10389
05:59:34,857 --> 05:59:37,257
unique history. I Colorado

10390
05:59:38,762 --> 05:59:39,796
City was an extent in 1917. So

10391
05:59:39,796 --> 05:59:41,631
that's why one of the reasons

10392
05:59:41,631 --> 05:59:45,670
I think to the da's do make

10393
05:59:45,670 --> 05:59:46,804
sense. And then finally, MR.

10394
05:59:46,804 --> 05:59:48,173
Ramos as a foe Army veteran,

10395
05:59:48,173 --> 05:59:48,739
I'll be there to to have a

10396
05:59:48,739 --> 05:59:49,340
beer with you on your

10397
05:59:49,340 --> 05:59:51,740
anniversary here on the

10398
05:59:54,379 --> 05:59:55,814
weekend. And Michelle, if you

10399
05:59:55,814 --> 05:59:56,916
have the oldest wall in

10400
05:59:56,916 --> 05:59:57,583
Colorado a swing by there,

10401
05:59:57,583 --> 06:00:00,583
even though I like alcohol,

10402
06:00:06,250 --> 06:00:08,250
Madrid

10403
06:00:11,598 --> 06:00:12,599
>> COUNCILMAN Thank you. MADAM

10404
06:00:12,599 --> 06:00:13,534
PRESIDENT, dry actually just

10405
06:00:13,534 --> 06:00:16,534
have a follow-up question for

10406
06:00:16,771 --> 06:00:17,439
you on the the

10407
06:00:17,439 --> 06:00:18,940
>> questioning from from a

10408
06:00:18,940 --> 06:00:21,340
fellow council member here.

10409
06:00:21,776 --> 06:00:22,760
Can Casey.

10410
06:00:22,760 --> 06:00:24,760
>> So

10411
06:00:26,115 --> 06:00:26,749
>> that.

10412
06:00:26,749 --> 06:00:28,749
>> government, increment

10413
06:00:28,751 --> 06:00:29,520
financing route that did not

10414
06:00:29,520 --> 06:00:31,520
pass.

10415
06:00:32,589 --> 06:00:33,690
>> The dda could go back out

10416
06:00:33,690 --> 06:00:34,570
again to the voters. Correct

10417
06:00:34,570 --> 06:00:36,570
in that.

10418
06:00:36,327 --> 06:00:39,327
>> Could pass in. Can you

10419
06:00:39,363 --> 06:00:41,299
explain what would happen? If

10420
06:00:41,299 --> 06:00:42,867
they choose Well, I would

10421
06:00:42,867 --> 06:00:43,601
assume they would have to

10422
06:00:43,601 --> 06:00:45,937
choose to do this if they want

10423
06:00:45,937 --> 06:00:46,605
some revenue to work with. But

10424
06:00:46,605 --> 06:00:49,975
if you could explain that a

10425
06:00:49,975 --> 06:00:51,443
little bit more and I and just

10426
06:00:51,443 --> 06:00:52,177
just for the record, it's

10427
06:00:52,177 --> 06:00:52,878
funny. Councilmember Donaldson

10428
06:00:52,878 --> 06:00:55,548
went back and looked at it. I

10429
06:00:55,548 --> 06:00:57,548
did as well.

10430
06:00:59,386 --> 06:01:01,421
>> So yes, he He with mainly

10431
06:01:01,421 --> 06:01:02,156
o'Malley, but in favor was

10432
06:01:02,156 --> 06:01:03,591
council member of the lacrosse

10433
06:01:03,591 --> 06:01:05,426
Iverson homes, tension Line

10434
06:01:05,426 --> 06:01:08,426
Weber Leanne Talerico at the

10435
06:01:10,231 --> 06:01:12,200
time in 2020.

10436
06:01:12,200 --> 06:01:14,970
>> Again, for the record dry

10437
06:01:14,970 --> 06:01:15,804
Walker Urban Renewal so the so

10438
06:01:15,804 --> 06:01:19,442
the past and I I'm not sure if

10439
06:01:19,442 --> 06:01:20,209
your question got a little a

10440
06:01:20,209 --> 06:01:23,809
little mix up there, but they

10441
06:01:25,115 --> 06:01:26,149
did pass the Taft portion

10442
06:01:26,149 --> 06:01:27,500
technically, right? Because

10443
06:01:27,500 --> 06:01:27,651
with the formation of the dda,

10444
06:01:27,651 --> 06:01:30,510
that's what allows that

10445
06:01:30,721 --> 06:01:31,421
component. But that's the

10446
06:01:31,421 --> 06:01:34,458
component that goes to all of

10447
06:01:34,458 --> 06:01:35,793
the taxing entities. So that's

10448
06:01:35,793 --> 06:01:37,895
Cool. County library, City

10449
06:01:37,895 --> 06:01:39,895
Water Conservancy district.

10450
06:01:40,698 --> 06:01:43,980
That's that's those funds.

10451
06:01:43,401 --> 06:01:45,437
What they didn't support is

10452
06:01:45,437 --> 06:01:46,171
taxing themselves. So they

10453
06:01:46,171 --> 06:01:48,571
didn't support actually paying

10454
06:01:48,574 --> 06:01:51,344
out of pocket on their own

10455
06:01:51,344 --> 06:01:53,744
properties to fund this

10456
06:01:54,470 --> 06:01:56,447
effort. They passed keeping

10457
06:01:57,918 --> 06:01:58,619
organic tip from. The taxing

10458
06:01:58,619 --> 06:01:59,353
entities that that's what was

10459
06:01:59,353 --> 06:02:02,190
passed. So that's an important

10460
06:02:02,190 --> 06:02:04,190
distinction. There.

10461
06:02:06,561 --> 06:02:07,796
>> Can you say more about?

10462
06:02:07,796 --> 06:02:08,430
>> I'm not sure that I'm

10463
06:02:08,430 --> 06:02:10,799
totally following I don't

10464
06:02:10,799 --> 06:02:12,799
blame me.

10465
06:02:13,171 --> 06:02:13,769
>> Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. All

10466
06:02:13,769 --> 06:02:15,238
right. More of uk legal

10467
06:02:15,238 --> 06:02:17,638
question. CHAIRMAN Goss, the

10468
06:02:19,209 --> 06:02:20,843
Sea journeys office. So the

10469
06:02:20,843 --> 06:02:21,444
tip question that was past its

10470
06:02:21,444 --> 06:02:23,613
been commonly called to

10471
06:02:23,613 --> 06:02:24,548
question, but it was really to

10472
06:02:24,548 --> 06:02:26,717
let the dda retaining any to 4

10473
06:02:26,717 --> 06:02:28,486
other funds that were

10474
06:02:28,486 --> 06:02:30,621
collected. What did not pass

10475
06:02:30,621 --> 06:02:32,390
was the no levee, which is the

10476
06:02:32,390 --> 06:02:35,493
5 mills that to the da's can

10477
06:02:35,493 --> 06:02:36,661
impose on both residents and

10478
06:02:36,661 --> 06:02:37,829
businesses. So since that did

10479
06:02:37,829 --> 06:02:39,331
not pass their financing

10480
06:02:39,331 --> 06:02:42,670
mechanism right now would be

10481
06:02:42,670 --> 06:02:45,370
the tif. The tax increment

10482
06:02:45,370 --> 06:02:46,440
financing base level tax and

10483
06:02:46,440 --> 06:02:47,140
then anything over that level

10484
06:02:47,140 --> 06:02:49,540
taxes. What would potentially

10485
06:02:50,410 --> 06:02:51,545
go to the dda that would have

10486
06:02:51,545 --> 06:02:52,446
to be up, Lou, approved

10487
06:02:52,446 --> 06:02:54,115
through the plan development,

10488
06:02:54,115 --> 06:02:56,217
which will come before City

10489
06:02:56,217 --> 06:02:56,984
Council in the future,

10490
06:02:56,984 --> 06:02:57,885
assuming it's not solved and

10491
06:02:57,885 --> 06:03:00,885
city council would approve the

10492
06:03:01,556 --> 06:03:02,257
tif at that time. So that is a

10493
06:03:02,257 --> 06:03:05,257
separate to bucket of money,

10494
06:03:06,695 --> 06:03:07,463
if you will, compared to the

10495
06:03:07,463 --> 06:03:08,564
mill Levy. That was not. So

10496
06:03:08,564 --> 06:03:09,365
then what they could do and

10497
06:03:09,365 --> 06:03:12,965
probably should do is go back

10498
06:03:13,360 --> 06:03:13,703
out for a military.

10499
06:03:13,703 --> 06:03:14,938
>> They could go out for an

10500
06:03:14,938 --> 06:03:15,405
mill levy. Again, that is a

10501
06:03:15,405 --> 06:03:16,106
possibility.

10502
06:03:16,106 --> 06:03:17,574
>> They would need Council's

10503
06:03:17,574 --> 06:03:19,974
approval to do so.

10504
06:03:20,577 --> 06:03:21,579
>> Okay. And I guess I don't

10505
06:03:21,579 --> 06:03:24,348
know if I'm allowed to ask

10506
06:03:24,348 --> 06:03:25,490
this question, but I am

10507
06:03:25,490 --> 06:03:25,650
curious to know from somebody

10508
06:03:25,650 --> 06:03:28,650
on the board that's an

10509
06:03:28,854 --> 06:03:29,554
intention that they have. If I

10510
06:03:29,554 --> 06:03:30,355
mean, the PRESIDENT Would be

10511
06:03:30,355 --> 06:03:32,755
to acknowledge that person

10512
06:03:33,725 --> 06:03:36,725
could speak. You can answer

10513
06:03:37,396 --> 06:03:39,796
that question. Thank you.

10514
06:03:40,132 --> 06:03:40,767
>> Yes, this is.

10515
06:03:40,767 --> 06:03:43,337
>> Our this was our first

10516
06:03:43,337 --> 06:03:44,270
order of business.

10517
06:03:44,270 --> 06:03:45,772
>> Was planning out a mapping

10518
06:03:45,772 --> 06:03:48,942
out a strategic plan to going

10519
06:03:48,942 --> 06:03:50,978
back to the ballot Levy. I

10520
06:03:50,978 --> 06:03:52,978
personally advocated and

10521
06:03:53,347 --> 06:03:55,747
secured forgivable loan. For

10522
06:03:58,252 --> 06:03:59,855
us to finance that. Forgivable

10523
06:03:59,855 --> 06:04:04,550
component of it is that if by

10524
06:04:04,594 --> 06:04:05,295
chance? The Levy doesn't pass

10525
06:04:05,295 --> 06:04:06,929
and we do decide to dissolve

10526
06:04:06,929 --> 06:04:09,929
as an organization. That the

10527
06:04:12,690 --> 06:04:12,669
loan would be forgiven.

10528
06:04:12,669 --> 06:04:14,705
>> Forgiven by who your

10529
06:04:14,705 --> 06:04:16,207
personal money

10530
06:04:16,207 --> 06:04:18,607
>> So Crowder City associates,

10531
06:04:19,109 --> 06:04:20,244
but the money forward and what

10532
06:04:20,244 --> 06:04:22,113
we did was we put out a vote

10533
06:04:22,113 --> 06:04:25,490
not within the board cca

10534
06:04:25,490 --> 06:04:27,449
personally, but all members.

10535
06:04:27,920 --> 06:04:28,520
So we sent out a ballot over

10536
06:04:28,520 --> 06:04:30,920
200 members of al City

10537
06:04:31,390 --> 06:04:33,593
associates and they voted and

10538
06:04:33,593 --> 06:04:35,628
wildly high percentage numbers

10539
06:04:35,628 --> 06:04:37,764
too, give this money pd and

10540
06:04:37,764 --> 06:04:40,167
was the general percentage of

10541
06:04:40,167 --> 06:04:41,234
that 57% to 7 personal

10542
06:04:41,234 --> 06:04:42,350
population? Well, you know, I

10543
06:04:42,350 --> 06:04:45,350
think last year for Colorado

10544
06:04:46,600 --> 06:04:48,600
Springs, turnout was 20 4.7%

10545
06:04:48,242 --> 06:04:51,242
and the dda vote originally

10546
06:04:51,345 --> 06:04:52,180
was 25.6%. Okay.

10547
06:04:52,180 --> 06:04:52,914
>> So let me just make sure I

10548
06:04:52,914 --> 06:04:53,782
understand this really clearly

10549
06:04:53,782 --> 06:04:57,382
you front of the money. Cca

10550
06:05:01,824 --> 06:05:03,459
said. This fails. We as a body

10551
06:05:03,459 --> 06:05:05,610
will will forgive that to one.

10552
06:05:05,610 --> 06:05:05,762
And we will. We will pull our

10553
06:05:05,762 --> 06:05:06,997
money and we'll pay you back

10554
06:05:06,997 --> 06:05:07,731
some, which is why we will

10555
06:05:07,731 --> 06:05:08,966
bit.

10556
06:05:08,966 --> 06:05:09,666
>> If it had been

10557
06:05:09,666 --> 06:05:10,367
indebtedness, we wouldn't be

10558
06:05:10,367 --> 06:05:11,350
here having this conversation

10559
06:05:11,350 --> 06:05:13,170
because the dda would be in

10560
06:05:13,170 --> 06:05:14,271
debt already. Okay. All right.

10561
06:05:14,271 --> 06:05:17,871
Thank you. Those are my quick

10562
06:05:18,910 --> 06:05:20,111
COUNCILMAN Gold.

10563
06:05:20,111 --> 06:05:21,246
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

10564
06:05:21,246 --> 06:05:21,913
You know, first had the

10565
06:05:21,913 --> 06:05:23,913
opportunity visit Colorado

10566
06:05:24,249 --> 06:05:26,952
Springs in 2009 long before I

10567
06:05:26,952 --> 06:05:27,586
was a resident and I'm very

10568
06:05:27,586 --> 06:05:29,655
fond memory there because

10569
06:05:29,655 --> 06:05:33,255
there is a pottery shop that

10570
06:05:33,426 --> 06:05:35,795
no longer exist I was able to

10571
06:05:35,795 --> 06:05:38,699
do an imprint of my child's

10572
06:05:38,699 --> 06:05:40,000
hand for their first birthday

10573
06:05:40,000 --> 06:05:41,335
and thank GOD because that

10574
06:05:41,335 --> 06:05:43,735
child is now huge.

10575
06:05:45,439 --> 06:05:46,140
>> So

10576
06:05:46,140 --> 06:05:46,774
>> And I was really surprised

10577
06:05:46,774 --> 06:05:49,176
because I thought, oh, my

10578
06:05:49,176 --> 06:05:49,544
gosh, what a charming

10579
06:05:49,544 --> 06:05:50,212
downtown.

10580
06:05:50,212 --> 06:05:53,810
>> And the person was like

10581
06:05:53,810 --> 06:05:53,716
this is actually not downtown.

10582
06:05:53,716 --> 06:05:54,350
So I think we have a very

10583
06:05:54,350 --> 06:05:55,951
unique situation here in

10584
06:05:55,951 --> 06:05:58,354
Colorado Springs where we have

10585
06:05:58,354 --> 06:06:00,754
large geographic area. Was

10586
06:06:02,192 --> 06:06:02,859
very unique hearts that add,

10587
06:06:02,859 --> 06:06:04,928
too, don't they don't take

10588
06:06:04,928 --> 06:06:05,696
away from Colorado Springs.

10589
06:06:05,696 --> 06:06:08,999
And when I reflect on all of

10590
06:06:08,999 --> 06:06:09,700
I've heard about the dda, it

10591
06:06:09,700 --> 06:06:13,138
really appears to me that you

10592
06:06:13,138 --> 06:06:15,307
all need more time. You guys

10593
06:06:15,307 --> 06:06:17,108
have the alignment. You have

10594
06:06:17,108 --> 06:06:18,343
the heart for this. You just

10595
06:06:18,343 --> 06:06:20,780
need more time to get it

10596
06:06:20,780 --> 06:06:23,678
sorted. So for that reason, I

10597
06:06:29,188 --> 06:06:30,290
will be voting no on this. And

10598
06:06:30,290 --> 06:06:31,458
also I just really wanted to

10599
06:06:31,458 --> 06:06:32,125
acknowledge that we have so

10600
06:06:32,125 --> 06:06:34,525
many small business owners

10601
06:06:35,195 --> 06:06:35,962
here right now. And when and

10602
06:06:35,962 --> 06:06:37,765
where you guys are small

10603
06:06:37,765 --> 06:06:40,765
business owners in the context

10604
06:06:40,835 --> 06:06:43,705
of you had to shut your shops

10605
06:06:43,705 --> 06:06:44,505
down to be here. Your time is

10606
06:06:44,505 --> 06:06:46,410
literally your money. You have

10607
06:06:46,410 --> 06:06:47,750
lost revenue fighting for the

10608
06:06:47,750 --> 06:06:49,312
cause today. And I acknowledge

10609
06:06:49,312 --> 06:06:53,383
that and I thank you for your

10610
06:06:53,383 --> 06:06:54,684
heart. And I hope that you

10611
06:06:54,684 --> 06:06:56,185
guys should have namedrop. So

10612
06:06:56,185 --> 06:06:57,888
at least you could have had

10613
06:06:57,888 --> 06:06:58,555
advertising but I hope that

10614
06:06:58,555 --> 06:07:01,555
you recoup those costs from

10615
06:07:03,928 --> 06:07:05,928
today. Thank you.

10616
06:07:06,831 --> 06:07:08,831
>> COUNCILMAN Ryan Weber.

10617
06:07:09,834 --> 06:07:11,834
Yeah, I am.

10618
06:07:11,937 --> 06:07:14,673
>> Couple of things. One just

10619
06:07:14,673 --> 06:07:16,775
want to disclose that. I am a

10620
06:07:16,775 --> 06:07:20,375
business on the left side and

10621
06:07:21,247 --> 06:07:22,215
the but I'm not part of the

10622
06:07:22,215 --> 06:07:24,615
originally. My business was

10623
06:07:26,986 --> 06:07:28,255
going to be a part of it. And

10624
06:07:28,255 --> 06:07:29,256
it was adjusted so that that

10625
06:07:29,256 --> 06:07:29,923
my buses ended up not because

10626
06:07:29,923 --> 06:07:32,923
I'm not really on Colorado,

10627
06:07:33,527 --> 06:07:34,895
not really a part of that. So

10628
06:07:34,895 --> 06:07:36,197
I wanted to just disclose that

10629
06:07:36,197 --> 06:07:36,864
I have some connection to this

10630
06:07:36,864 --> 06:07:39,264
community and understand it

10631
06:07:39,368 --> 06:07:42,968
very, very well that might has

10632
06:07:43,505 --> 06:07:46,141
been there, sir. That the

10633
06:07:46,141 --> 06:07:47,210
well, the truth be told is

10634
06:07:47,210 --> 06:07:49,610
that the business originally

10635
06:07:50,413 --> 06:07:53,383
was located within the d a

10636
06:07:53,383 --> 06:07:55,783
>> it was started in 1982.

10637
06:07:56,286 --> 06:07:57,254
>> So it was on Colorado, but

10638
06:07:57,254 --> 06:07:57,855
now it's it's it's on the

10639
06:07:57,855 --> 06:08:00,255
quarter of 20st Street

10640
06:08:02,260 --> 06:08:04,629
Highway. 24. So I want to

10641
06:08:04,629 --> 06:08:07,365
acknowledge that second, I was

10642
06:08:07,365 --> 06:08:10,365
part of the proceeding and

10643
06:08:10,402 --> 06:08:12,271
that discussions when this was

10644
06:08:12,271 --> 06:08:14,730
formed talked quite a bit

10645
06:08:14,730 --> 06:08:14,774
about the bid and eta, and it

10646
06:08:14,774 --> 06:08:17,774
didn't really appear that the

10647
06:08:18,770 --> 06:08:20,113
dda gave a lot more options.

10648
06:08:20,113 --> 06:08:20,780
>> For this community to move

10649
06:08:20,780 --> 06:08:23,780
forward and there was great

10650
06:08:24,284 --> 06:08:25,986
excitement about all of this,

10651
06:08:25,986 --> 06:08:27,387
that it was really easy vote

10652
06:08:27,387 --> 06:08:29,523
to say let the community do

10653
06:08:29,523 --> 06:08:33,123
what they can do to really

10654
06:08:36,300 --> 06:08:37,933
turn this into a great place.

10655
06:08:37,933 --> 06:08:38,867
But I will say 3rd is that

10656
06:08:38,867 --> 06:08:40,135
when you got all that

10657
06:08:40,135 --> 06:08:40,803
excitement, you kind of needed

10658
06:08:40,803 --> 06:08:44,403
the dot your I's and cross

10659
06:08:47,100 --> 06:08:47,710
your t's. And that's part of

10660
06:08:47,710 --> 06:08:48,411
why we're here is that there

10661
06:08:48,411 --> 06:08:50,481
was a stagnation, the kind of

10662
06:08:50,481 --> 06:08:51,915
took place in this unknowing.

10663
06:08:51,915 --> 06:08:53,684
And so there was some

10664
06:08:53,684 --> 06:08:56,684
uncertainty about is this a

10665
06:08:57,755 --> 06:08:58,489
real thing? And so you have to

10666
06:08:58,489 --> 06:08:59,291
stay engaged. You've got it

10667
06:08:59,291 --> 06:09:02,891
like I mean, it's it's the

10668
06:09:03,610 --> 06:09:04,290
it's the 3rd or 4th quarter.

10669
06:09:04,290 --> 06:09:04,930
You gotta the game and get

10670
06:09:04,930 --> 06:09:05,564
this across because you're

10671
06:09:05,564 --> 06:09:08,534
going to have to get that

10672
06:09:08,534 --> 06:09:12,134
funding done. Now I have a

10673
06:09:12,672 --> 06:09:13,773
question. Is. Canned the

10674
06:09:13,773 --> 06:09:16,773
borders of this dda be

10675
06:09:17,911 --> 06:09:20,311
altered? Without voter can

10676
06:09:22,160 --> 06:09:24,285
center at this point, can't it

10677
06:09:24,285 --> 06:09:27,885
be read it? Can the board

10678
06:09:29,230 --> 06:09:31,423
decide to reduce? Boundaries,

10679
06:09:32,427 --> 06:09:34,296
not but reduce Trevor

10680
06:09:34,296 --> 06:09:37,296
Gloucester, the c turns office

10681
06:09:39,201 --> 06:09:40,350
to reduce There is no

10682
06:09:40,350 --> 06:09:43,350
mechanism in the statute for

10683
06:09:45,108 --> 06:09:45,809
the board reducing the

10684
06:09:45,809 --> 06:09:46,442
>> da's boundaries.

10685
06:09:46,442 --> 06:09:48,842
>> City council has some

10686
06:09:49,846 --> 06:09:50,781
authority that as part of the,

10687
06:09:50,781 --> 06:09:53,918
>> you know, it to which is

10688
06:09:53,918 --> 06:09:54,819
what you do with the 17 Couple

10689
06:09:54,819 --> 06:09:55,520
weeks back. But the board

10690
06:09:55,520 --> 06:09:57,856
itself does not have the per

10691
06:09:57,856 --> 06:09:59,792
statute.

10692
06:09:59,792 --> 06:10:01,760
>> So if the board wanted to,

10693
06:10:01,760 --> 06:10:02,428
they could approach a couple

10694
06:10:02,428 --> 06:10:03,129
of council people and say,

10695
06:10:03,129 --> 06:10:06,729
hey, we've got this idea that

10696
06:10:06,799 --> 06:10:10,399
we don't want. This to be

10697
06:10:10,503 --> 06:10:11,204
this. We wanted to be the if

10698
06:10:11,204 --> 06:10:14,204
we're reducing the not bring

10699
06:10:14,441 --> 06:10:17,100
anyone knew into it. I don't

10700
06:10:17,100 --> 06:10:17,745
see the negative effect of

10701
06:10:17,745 --> 06:10:18,379
that. I don't see someone like

10702
06:10:18,379 --> 06:10:21,379
not wanting that, but but

10703
06:10:21,649 --> 06:10:24,490
counsel could bring that

10704
06:10:25,219 --> 06:10:25,887
forward. I subject to

10705
06:10:25,887 --> 06:10:26,588
>> Limitations on debt and

10706
06:10:26,588 --> 06:10:29,224
whether or not dead exist at

10707
06:10:29,224 --> 06:10:32,224
time. Correct? All right. Down

10708
06:10:33,462 --> 06:10:34,430
that that road. My other

10709
06:10:34,430 --> 06:10:37,430
question is really to Sarah.

10710
06:10:40,570 --> 06:10:42,639
No wake her up over that are.

10711
06:10:42,639 --> 06:10:45,900
>> So if council wanted to

10712
06:10:45,900 --> 06:10:48,609
step and help the West side

10713
06:10:48,913 --> 06:10:50,215
then this, the da could could?

10714
06:10:50,215 --> 06:10:52,751
>> We possibly what would the

10715
06:10:52,751 --> 06:10:56,951
cost be for us to put there?

10716
06:10:58,658 --> 06:10:59,358
Question on the ballot and go

10717
06:10:59,358 --> 06:11:01,861
to just the residents of the

10718
06:11:01,861 --> 06:11:03,280
da. Do you have that ability

10719
06:11:03,280 --> 06:11:06,266
to do that and then if we were

10720
06:11:06,266 --> 06:11:10,471
to try to push this to be on

10721
06:11:10,471 --> 06:11:11,205
the APRIL ballot, for example.

10722
06:11:11,205 --> 06:11:13,774
>> Okay. Part in the eye. Roll

10723
06:11:13,774 --> 06:11:14,475
that the APRIL ballot.

10724
06:11:14,475 --> 06:11:16,377
>> And there's a lot going to

10725
06:11:16,377 --> 06:11:18,377
be on

10726
06:11:19,714 --> 06:11:20,415
>> And sorry about

10727
06:11:20,415 --> 06:11:23,918
>> I don't know the cost, but

10728
06:11:23,918 --> 06:11:24,620
I would just say that.

10729
06:11:24,620 --> 06:11:25,354
>> And then attorney, but I'm

10730
06:11:25,354 --> 06:11:28,954
thinking the dda would have to

10731
06:11:29,191 --> 06:11:31,191
pay.

10732
06:11:31,294 --> 06:11:32,796
>> Reimburse the city for the

10733
06:11:32,796 --> 06:11:33,529
cost of the election. Because

10734
06:11:33,529 --> 06:11:35,929
seaman, there's no dissolution

10735
06:11:37,501 --> 06:11:38,201
today. There is an entity and

10736
06:11:38,201 --> 06:11:41,400
that entity would have to be

10737
06:11:41,400 --> 06:11:41,738
for the election. And no, I

10738
06:11:41,738 --> 06:11:45,430
don't know. Have any idea what

10739
06:11:45,430 --> 06:11:46,211
cost

10740
06:11:46,211 --> 06:11:46,944
>> Because sometimes we you

10741
06:11:46,944 --> 06:11:50,815
know, and kind of, you know, a

10742
06:11:50,815 --> 06:11:51,516
volume kite. Position. And

10743
06:11:51,516 --> 06:11:52,218
then, you know, I don't know

10744
06:11:52,218 --> 06:11:55,218
what the difficulty would be

10745
06:11:55,354 --> 06:11:58,358
to kind of. I mean, we already

10746
06:11:58,358 --> 06:12:01,227
do. We do. We do ballots

10747
06:12:01,227 --> 06:12:02,863
districts, obviously. So we

10748
06:12:02,863 --> 06:12:03,563
don't do citywide ballots that

10749
06:12:03,563 --> 06:12:06,700
we can make a smaller thing.

10750
06:12:06,700 --> 06:12:08,936
But you don't probably have a

10751
06:12:08,936 --> 06:12:11,105
current district for the You

10752
06:12:11,105 --> 06:12:12,206
have to create nearly down and

10753
06:12:12,206 --> 06:12:12,841
it's a different type of

10754
06:12:12,841 --> 06:12:14,308
election and that you're

10755
06:12:14,308 --> 06:12:16,440
dealing with registered

10756
06:12:16,440 --> 06:12:16,644
voters.

10757
06:12:16,644 --> 06:12:18,644
>> You're dealing with

10758
06:12:19,147 --> 06:12:20,150
property owners. There is the

10759
06:12:20,150 --> 06:12:20,816
document that dry mentions. I

10760
06:12:20,816 --> 06:12:23,619
don't know the legal name up

10761
06:12:23,619 --> 06:12:24,620
where property only can

10762
06:12:24,620 --> 06:12:25,320
designate.

10763
06:12:25,320 --> 06:12:26,655
>> Someone to vote. So it's a

10764
06:12:26,655 --> 06:12:29,550
little more convoluted than

10765
06:12:29,893 --> 06:12:30,594
just mailing registered voter

10766
06:12:30,594 --> 06:12:31,895
ballots. It's a little

10767
06:12:31,895 --> 06:12:32,596
different creature questions.

10768
06:12:32,596 --> 06:12:34,640
Just to understand what tools

10769
06:12:34,640 --> 06:12:36,660
do I have as a council person,

10770
06:12:36,660 --> 06:12:37,201
if I get 5 other members for

10771
06:12:37,201 --> 06:12:37,901
their members, you know, is

10772
06:12:37,901 --> 06:12:40,901
there something that we could

10773
06:12:41,338 --> 06:12:42,400
do to help?

10774
06:12:42,400 --> 06:12:43,400
>> This process move forward?

10775
06:12:43,400 --> 06:12:46,377
Because I think that some of

10776
06:12:46,377 --> 06:12:47,546
the thing is that they are

10777
06:12:47,546 --> 06:12:49,546
anew organization that's

10778
06:12:50,549 --> 06:12:52,284
trying to find its roots it

10779
06:12:52,284 --> 06:12:55,284
and move forward and certainly

10780
06:12:55,789 --> 06:12:59,389
coming off a no funding vote.

10781
06:13:00,427 --> 06:13:01,161
Had to kind of. Change the

10782
06:13:01,161 --> 06:13:01,829
dynamic a little bit with all.

10783
06:13:01,829 --> 06:13:04,829
We've got this great thing,

10784
06:13:05,733 --> 06:13:07,401
but we got no money. I mean, I

10785
06:13:07,401 --> 06:13:09,504
think that was the

10786
06:13:09,504 --> 06:13:11,904
conversation. I think everyone

10787
06:13:12,273 --> 06:13:12,941
during that election season.

10788
06:13:12,941 --> 06:13:13,642
So I'm trying to understand

10789
06:13:13,642 --> 06:13:14,276
what council might be able to

10790
06:13:14,276 --> 06:13:16,278
do to maybe support this

10791
06:13:16,278 --> 06:13:16,979
moving forward.

10792
06:13:16,979 --> 06:13:19,979
>> My first reaction to this

10793
06:13:20,483 --> 06:13:21,830
is.

10794
06:13:21,830 --> 06:13:21,784
>> Assuming, you know,

10795
06:13:21,784 --> 06:13:23,653
dissolve the dda board would

10796
06:13:23,653 --> 06:13:26,189
have to make the decision when

10797
06:13:26,189 --> 06:13:29,860
they want to come to a ballot.

10798
06:13:29,860 --> 06:13:30,461
And then come to you.

10799
06:13:30,461 --> 06:13:33,461
>> I think I'm right in

10800
06:13:34,970 --> 06:13:36,467
thousands of attorneys here.

10801
06:13:36,467 --> 06:13:39,437
>> I think to come to you.

10802
06:13:39,437 --> 06:13:41,437
>> 2

10803
06:13:44,376 --> 06:13:45,143
>> trying to forward.

10804
06:13:45,143 --> 06:13:45,844
>> Refer her.

10805
06:13:45,844 --> 06:13:48,244
>> That 2 elections. I think

10806
06:13:49,150 --> 06:13:49,649
the biggest question.

10807
06:13:49,649 --> 06:13:52,649
>> Would be. Do you want

10808
06:13:53,753 --> 06:13:54,454
election? And what election do

10809
06:13:54,454 --> 06:13:58,425
you want it Do you want it on

10810
06:13:58,425 --> 06:14:01,796
in APRIL? Do you want on a

10811
06:14:01,796 --> 06:14:02,430
NOVEMBER different voters?

10812
06:14:02,430 --> 06:14:03,970
Different aspects of its

10813
06:14:03,970 --> 06:14:05,497
NOVEMBER. The county clerk

10814
06:14:06,735 --> 06:14:08,735
would conduct Yeah.

10815
06:14:09,137 --> 06:14:09,871
>> It's APRIL. It's or you do

10816
06:14:09,871 --> 06:14:12,871
what they did before, which

10817
06:14:12,941 --> 06:14:15,578
was a stand-alone, no action.

10818
06:14:15,578 --> 06:14:17,978
Which is hires entity.

10819
06:14:18,481 --> 06:14:19,515
>> Well, that's what heard. I

10820
06:14:19,515 --> 06:14:20,216
heard and I think it's the

10821
06:14:20,216 --> 06:14:21,170
board's decision might on

10822
06:14:21,170 --> 06:14:24,170
verse Asians about we didn't

10823
06:14:24,821 --> 06:14:28,421
get about it. And I'm trying

10824
06:14:29,526 --> 06:14:30,394
to see if we can maybe help

10825
06:14:30,394 --> 06:14:32,794
resolve that problem in

10826
06:14:35,600 --> 06:14:36,735
getting it on a standard U.S.

10827
06:14:36,735 --> 06:14:38,403
Attorneys The general process

10828
06:14:38,403 --> 06:14:39,104
would be the dda board passed

10829
06:14:39,104 --> 06:14:40,505
resolution saying they would

10830
06:14:40,505 --> 06:14:42,410
like City Council to refer a

10831
06:14:42,410 --> 06:14:42,775
question.

10832
06:14:42,775 --> 06:14:43,509
>> City council within vote on

10833
06:14:43,509 --> 06:14:44,944
whether or not they want refer

10834
06:14:44,944 --> 06:14:47,944
that question to the ballot

10835
06:14:49,882 --> 06:14:50,550
with regards to the timing

10836
06:14:50,550 --> 06:14:51,251
person to taxpayer Bill of

10837
06:14:51,251 --> 06:14:54,851
Timing is either in the fall

10838
06:14:55,623 --> 06:14:59,223
of either year or spring in

10839
06:14:59,360 --> 06:14:59,928
by, you know, yours, if you

10840
06:14:59,928 --> 06:15:00,562
have well, if you're

10841
06:15:00,562 --> 06:15:01,529
organizations really has

10842
06:15:01,529 --> 06:15:03,529
by-elections with screens

10843
06:15:04,990 --> 06:15:06,499
spring elections every other

10844
06:15:07,269 --> 06:15:09,105
year, the city has elections

10845
06:15:09,105 --> 06:15:09,939
dda board. Generally they

10846
06:15:09,939 --> 06:15:12,339
don't. Actually have taxing

10847
06:15:12,608 --> 06:15:14,677
authority for election storm.

10848
06:15:14,677 --> 06:15:15,578
Lee. So whether or not they

10849
06:15:15,578 --> 06:15:18,140
can piggyback off the season

10850
06:15:18,140 --> 06:15:19,816
election is kind of a question

10851
06:15:19,816 --> 06:15:20,784
for for us to look at see

10852
06:15:20,784 --> 06:15:21,485
whether or not they're

10853
06:15:21,485 --> 06:15:23,885
comfortable with that weather

10854
06:15:24,288 --> 06:15:27,158
can be legally challenged the

10855
06:15:27,158 --> 06:15:27,825
future. Either way the fall

10856
06:15:27,825 --> 06:15:30,495
elections would be fine for

10857
06:15:30,495 --> 06:15:31,195
refer measure. But we would

10858
06:15:31,195 --> 06:15:34,795
have to work with the county

10859
06:15:36,301 --> 06:15:37,235
and that point, if if it's if

10860
06:15:37,235 --> 06:15:40,235
we're adding into the general

10861
06:15:40,974 --> 06:15:42,875
ballot, yes, it would do is it

10862
06:15:42,875 --> 06:15:44,770
is. There's a lot of city and

10863
06:15:44,770 --> 06:15:44,977
county back and forth on those

10864
06:15:44,977 --> 06:15:46,313
elections, ok and sorry, I

10865
06:15:46,313 --> 06:15:49,313
believe MR. MR. Garner, just

10866
06:15:55,823 --> 06:15:56,457
some art MADAM Thank you. And

10867
06:15:56,457 --> 06:15:57,159
COUNCILMAN Mike Weber. I

10868
06:15:57,159 --> 06:15:59,494
appreciate the question. And

10869
06:15:59,494 --> 06:16:00,129
then.

10870
06:16:00,129 --> 06:16:03,129
>> This support of of the

10871
06:16:05,334 --> 06:16:06,135
neighborhood. My own sense of

10872
06:16:06,135 --> 06:16:09,735
has been a shift counsel to

10873
06:16:10,206 --> 06:16:11,708
the district. Is that their

10874
06:16:11,708 --> 06:16:13,610
best path forward is to get

10875
06:16:13,610 --> 06:16:14,845
their plan of development,

10876
06:16:14,845 --> 06:16:17,845
which is in the planning

10877
06:16:18,782 --> 06:16:19,750
Department now get it approved

10878
06:16:19,750 --> 06:16:22,150
without that they cannot

10879
06:16:24,422 --> 06:16:27,422
access the tax increment. Once

10880
06:16:30,863 --> 06:16:33,231
they do. That number MR. Last

10881
06:16:33,231 --> 06:16:35,200
MAY and know what it was. That

10882
06:16:35,200 --> 06:16:37,270
number 4 last year, which was

10883
06:16:37,270 --> 06:16:37,904
not accessed. This is $100,000

10884
06:16:37,904 --> 06:16:40,304
or something along those

10885
06:16:47,447 --> 06:16:48,148
lines. Which The funds to pay.

10886
06:16:48,148 --> 06:16:51,148
To participate on about now.

10887
06:16:52,554 --> 06:16:54,890
My own. Not having looked at

10888
06:16:54,890 --> 06:16:55,691
this. I don't know of any

10889
06:16:55,691 --> 06:16:56,358
taxing district that cannot

10890
06:16:56,358 --> 06:16:58,327
piggyback on the ballot if

10891
06:16:58,327 --> 06:17:01,927
they pay If they pay the

10892
06:17:02,632 --> 06:17:03,366
freight on volume. But without

10893
06:17:03,366 --> 06:17:04,767
a plan of development approved

10894
06:17:04,767 --> 06:17:08,710
would say to get done. They

10895
06:17:08,710 --> 06:17:09,973
don't have the revenue. To

10896
06:17:09,973 --> 06:17:12,108
then get on the ballot and go

10897
06:17:12,108 --> 06:17:14,278
for a military. But that in my

10898
06:17:14,278 --> 06:17:15,120
mind is there's the path

10899
06:17:15,120 --> 06:17:17,412
forward. Okay, that's helpful.

10900
06:17:18,616 --> 06:17:20,616
Thank you.

10901
06:17:23,554 --> 06:17:24,923
>> COUNCILMAN Williams. Thank

10902
06:17:24,923 --> 06:17:25,857
you. I'll start off by saying

10903
06:17:25,857 --> 06:17:27,993
thank you all for being here.

10904
06:17:27,993 --> 06:17:28,260
Mayor Nick MAY not believe it,

10905
06:17:28,260 --> 06:17:28,927
but

10906
06:17:28,927 --> 06:17:31,927
>> I do appreciate you all

10907
06:17:33,599 --> 06:17:34,267
coming. Absolutely o Colorado

10908
06:17:34,267 --> 06:17:36,904
city. Like much ado here. I

10909
06:17:36,904 --> 06:17:40,974
grew up here and spent lots of

10910
06:17:40,974 --> 06:17:41,675
time old Colorado City. So I'm

10911
06:17:41,675 --> 06:17:45,275
going to reiterate how we got

10912
06:17:46,514 --> 06:17:49,518
here. How we got here is a lot

10913
06:17:49,518 --> 06:17:50,251
of the reasons that you guys

10914
06:17:50,251 --> 06:17:51,453
walked a pair and spoken to

10915
06:17:51,453 --> 06:17:53,853
that microphone inside old

10916
06:17:54,560 --> 06:17:56,560
Colorado City. Charm.

10917
06:17:56,892 --> 06:17:59,228
>> It's all its spirit. O

10918
06:17:59,228 --> 06:17:59,829
Colorado City is a treasure.

10919
06:17:59,829 --> 06:18:02,829
>> For those of you who

10920
06:18:04,000 --> 06:18:05,135
haven't. Then Gordon, a fun

10921
06:18:05,135 --> 06:18:07,137
night to really read what the

10922
06:18:07,137 --> 06:18:09,137
downtown Development Authority

10923
06:18:10,274 --> 06:18:11,800
is. That is development and

10924
06:18:11,800 --> 06:18:13,377
redevelopment. So I definitely

10925
06:18:13,377 --> 06:18:16,514
want to clarify that. It's the

10926
06:18:16,514 --> 06:18:20,114
exact papa says. I don't want

10927
06:18:20,385 --> 06:18:23,985
to tearing things down, but I

10928
06:18:24,256 --> 06:18:25,257
know that this and to an order

10929
06:18:25,257 --> 06:18:26,558
to fund it properly and pay

10930
06:18:26,558 --> 06:18:27,226
for the attorneys accountants

10931
06:18:27,226 --> 06:18:30,226
and all the oversight that

10932
06:18:31,831 --> 06:18:32,565
comes with it lends itself to

10933
06:18:32,565 --> 06:18:33,834
development and redevelopment,

10934
06:18:33,834 --> 06:18:36,837
which is why it's called a

10935
06:18:36,837 --> 06:18:38,171
downtown development

10936
06:18:38,171 --> 06:18:40,571
authority. It survives because

10937
06:18:40,808 --> 06:18:41,508
of development because of that

10938
06:18:41,508 --> 06:18:44,508
tax increment that comes with

10939
06:18:46,247 --> 06:18:48,647
development. So we've heard

10940
06:18:48,984 --> 06:18:49,618
from dry, the business

10941
06:18:49,618 --> 06:18:51,618
improvemt district, every

10942
06:18:52,540 --> 06:18:53,923
single one of you are business

10943
06:18:53,923 --> 06:18:55,758
owners and every single one of

10944
06:18:55,758 --> 06:18:57,894
you want that money reinvested

10945
06:18:57,894 --> 06:19:00,294
into your business. I

10946
06:19:02,132 --> 06:19:03,500
personally would rather do

10947
06:19:03,500 --> 06:19:06,370
that. Then pay attorneys and

10948
06:19:06,370 --> 06:19:07,705
accountants and other people

10949
06:19:07,705 --> 06:19:08,372
to manage and authority that

10950
06:19:08,372 --> 06:19:10,241
doesn't lend itself to old

10951
06:19:10,241 --> 06:19:12,610
Colorado City. So that's how

10952
06:19:12,610 --> 06:19:14,946
we got here today, depending

10953
06:19:14,946 --> 06:19:18,830
upon how this vote goes. I'm

10954
06:19:18,830 --> 06:19:18,817
pretty have all of your

10955
06:19:18,817 --> 06:19:21,817
involvement to get this from 0

10956
06:19:22,254 --> 06:19:24,424
to really putting money in old

10957
06:19:24,424 --> 06:19:25,791
Colorado City to get what you

10958
06:19:25,791 --> 06:19:26,692
on happening as fast as

10959
06:19:26,692 --> 06:19:29,829
possible. So I just wanted to

10960
06:19:29,829 --> 06:19:30,564
explain that for everybody

10961
06:19:30,564 --> 06:19:32,499
here who was unable to make it

10962
06:19:32,499 --> 06:19:35,499
to the previous meeting. So

10963
06:19:37,838 --> 06:19:38,806
thank you, COUNCILMAN, rainy.

10964
06:19:38,806 --> 06:19:40,708
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

10965
06:19:40,708 --> 06:19:42,710
And I would like to also start

10966
06:19:42,710 --> 06:19:43,878
by saying thank you all for

10967
06:19:43,878 --> 06:19:45,914
being here. Small business

10968
06:19:45,914 --> 06:19:48,617
owners. I'm a small business

10969
06:19:48,617 --> 06:19:49,284
owner. So I know exactly a lot

10970
06:19:49,284 --> 06:19:50,285
of the comments I heard. I

10971
06:19:50,285 --> 06:19:53,550
know exactly what you're going

10972
06:19:53,550 --> 06:19:54,857
through, what you're feeling,

10973
06:19:54,857 --> 06:19:57,857
especially about how we got

10974
06:19:58,862 --> 06:19:59,596
here with particular dda. The

10975
06:19:59,596 --> 06:20:03,196
couple of themes that I heard

10976
06:20:03,567 --> 06:20:04,668
before I get into some process

10977
06:20:04,668 --> 06:20:06,668
procedure items.

10978
06:20:06,804 --> 06:20:09,804
>> Need help want to help

10979
06:20:10,809 --> 06:20:13,209
support need it. Stability

10980
06:20:15,147 --> 06:20:15,681
want it. Charm of Old Colorado

10981
06:20:15,681 --> 06:20:16,381
City.

10982
06:20:16,381 --> 06:20:18,381
>> Cleanup maintain economic

10983
06:20:19,885 --> 06:20:21,454
development, marketing.

10984
06:20:21,454 --> 06:20:25,540
>> Those are a lot of those

10985
06:20:25,325 --> 06:20:27,260
items that dry executive

10986
06:20:27,260 --> 06:20:27,928
director, that he mentioned

10987
06:20:27,928 --> 06:20:31,528
when it comes to a business

10988
06:20:32,320 --> 06:20:34,432
improvement. Things that they

10989
06:20:34,902 --> 06:20:37,400
can lean into to make that

10990
06:20:37,400 --> 06:20:37,905
happen. Ago, step further here

10991
06:20:37,905 --> 06:20:40,305
because I think there's

10992
06:20:40,809 --> 06:20:41,476
something that's missing

10993
06:20:41,476 --> 06:20:43,876
pretty importantly. And you

10994
06:20:44,790 --> 06:20:46,790
that

10995
06:20:49,919 --> 06:20:53,222
This is a this is, in my

10996
06:20:53,222 --> 06:20:55,622
opinion and opportunity for

10997
06:20:56,259 --> 06:20:57,694
the mayor's office. Economic

10998
06:20:57,694 --> 06:21:00,694
development to include the you

10999
06:21:01,265 --> 06:21:01,732
to come together and figure

11000
06:21:01,732 --> 06:21:03,732
out something.

11001
06:21:04,602 --> 06:21:05,769
>> That will work.

11002
06:21:05,769 --> 06:21:07,304
>> In conjunction with our

11003
06:21:07,304 --> 06:21:09,704
downtown authority that is

11004
06:21:10,410 --> 06:21:10,808
currently in place and baked

11005
06:21:10,808 --> 06:21:14,313
in and figure out how to

11006
06:21:14,313 --> 06:21:16,810
invest better into that area

11007
06:21:16,810 --> 06:21:16,882
because everything that was

11008
06:21:16,882 --> 06:21:18,882
mentioned, it's about

11009
06:21:20,853 --> 06:21:21,821
investment into that area. So

11010
06:21:21,821 --> 06:21:22,521
and now when I say investment,

11011
06:21:22,521 --> 06:21:26,250
I want to make sure I'm very

11012
06:21:26,250 --> 06:21:28,528
clear on this. Is that

11013
06:21:28,528 --> 06:21:29,229
investment to what their

11014
06:21:29,229 --> 06:21:31,798
needing as business owners in

11015
06:21:31,798 --> 06:21:34,798
that area. That's first and

11016
06:21:34,835 --> 06:21:36,835
foremost. Secondly. Going

11017
06:21:39,107 --> 06:21:39,775
through quick items currently

11018
06:21:39,775 --> 06:21:41,542
in the United States of

11019
06:21:41,542 --> 06:21:43,542
America. There's 19,500 towns,

11020
06:21:45,581 --> 06:21:47,581
cities, municipalities.

11021
06:21:47,817 --> 06:21:49,817
19,500. In entire United

11022
06:21:53,223 --> 06:21:55,659
States. And the United States.

11023
06:21:55,659 --> 06:21:58,362
There are 2 the da's 2 cities

11024
06:21:58,362 --> 06:22:00,197
that have to the da's and

11025
06:22:00,197 --> 06:22:03,197
sadly enough, the one other

11026
06:22:03,234 --> 06:22:03,935
city that has to the da's.

11027
06:22:03,935 --> 06:22:04,602
There's a reason for it. And

11028
06:22:04,602 --> 06:22:07,602
if you actually been paying

11029
06:22:08,506 --> 06:22:10,675
attention to the news lately,

11030
06:22:10,675 --> 06:22:11,376
sadly enough, you're probably

11031
06:22:11,376 --> 06:22:13,879
know the reason why actually

11032
06:22:13,879 --> 06:22:14,280
did to da's. There's a whole

11033
06:22:14,280 --> 06:22:16,280
lot there.

11034
06:22:16,515 --> 06:22:17,350
>> And I want pounce on that

11035
06:22:17,350 --> 06:22:18,518
particular city, quite if you

11036
06:22:18,518 --> 06:22:19,752
haven't seen it, you will see

11037
06:22:19,752 --> 06:22:21,354
it on things that are going on

11038
06:22:21,354 --> 06:22:24,424
in that city. Thus that leaves

11039
06:22:24,424 --> 06:22:27,662
us. In the state of Colorado.

11040
06:22:27,662 --> 06:22:30,662
There's no cities. See that

11041
06:22:33,668 --> 06:22:34,502
have to Deo's 0. So when I go

11042
06:22:34,502 --> 06:22:37,502
back look at the historical

11043
06:22:38,306 --> 06:22:38,907
timeline of how we got here

11044
06:22:38,907 --> 06:22:40,675
and reading through the

11045
06:22:40,675 --> 06:22:42,675
minutes from 13 AUGUST 2024,

11046
06:22:43,745 --> 06:22:46,582
every last comment. And by the

11047
06:22:46,582 --> 06:22:48,184
way, the lady who's here,

11048
06:22:48,184 --> 06:22:51,870
thank you very much. On that

11049
06:22:51,870 --> 06:22:53,957
day being here. Also speaking

11050
06:22:53,957 --> 06:22:54,725
and then, of course, the

11051
06:22:54,725 --> 06:22:57,725
minutes from AUGUST 27th of

11052
06:23:00,310 --> 06:23:01,265
2024. Every comment that is

11053
06:23:01,265 --> 06:23:03,265
made in every.

11054
06:23:07,720 --> 06:23:09,720
>> Messaging. Everyone said.

11055
06:23:10,420 --> 06:23:11,811
>> be id every last person. To

11056
06:23:11,811 --> 06:23:13,880
include members of council to

11057
06:23:13,880 --> 06:23:15,470
include other stakeholders in

11058
06:23:15,470 --> 06:23:17,517
the city and there was a lot

11059
06:23:17,517 --> 06:23:21,117
of back and forward about why

11060
06:23:23,457 --> 06:23:24,124
not be id. And it wasn't until

11061
06:23:24,124 --> 06:23:25,125
couple other things that

11062
06:23:25,125 --> 06:23:27,525
transpired that really evolved

11063
06:23:27,828 --> 06:23:29,997
just staying into does dda

11064
06:23:29,997 --> 06:23:32,200
another item. I would like to

11065
06:23:32,200 --> 06:23:33,501
clarify because this is also I

11066
06:23:33,501 --> 06:23:36,501
think, but somehow this has

11067
06:23:37,473 --> 06:23:40,473
got lost in translation. Does

11068
06:23:41,377 --> 06:23:42,945
not operate unto itself.

11069
06:23:42,945 --> 06:23:44,945
Colorado revised statute. 31

11070
06:23:47,500 --> 06:23:49,500
25 801 through 8.22. Article.

11071
06:23:49,520 --> 06:23:52,520
31 excuse me, title. 31 out of

11072
06:23:52,489 --> 06:23:53,257
the 25 governs. How do you

11073
06:23:53,257 --> 06:23:55,892
need a da's operate here in

11074
06:23:55,892 --> 06:23:56,460
the state of Colorado? And

11075
06:23:56,460 --> 06:23:58,460
there's been several

11076
06:23:58,562 --> 06:23:59,964
conversations and several

11077
06:23:59,964 --> 06:24:01,933
comments made that they

11078
06:24:01,933 --> 06:24:04,333
operate unto themselves. And

11079
06:24:04,936 --> 06:24:05,803
that's not accurate. I had one

11080
06:24:05,803 --> 06:24:07,906
member. I don't believe

11081
06:24:07,906 --> 06:24:10,142
they're part of the dda, but

11082
06:24:10,142 --> 06:24:10,976
they live in that area who

11083
06:24:10,976 --> 06:24:13,712
came to me in a previous

11084
06:24:13,712 --> 06:24:17,490
session in state. It. Well, we

11085
06:24:17,490 --> 06:24:17,817
want the funds so we can

11086
06:24:17,817 --> 06:24:19,419
determine upon ourselves on

11087
06:24:19,419 --> 06:24:21,588
how to best do that. That's

11088
06:24:21,588 --> 06:24:25,188
not how it goes. Funds operate

11089
06:24:26,661 --> 06:24:29,964
in work. So I go back again to

11090
06:24:29,964 --> 06:24:30,564
be id's being better suited.

11091
06:24:30,564 --> 06:24:33,564
And I think also member

11092
06:24:34,303 --> 06:24:36,671
Williams just hinted at it. Da

11093
06:24:36,671 --> 06:24:39,710
is designed for large-scale

11094
06:24:39,740 --> 06:24:39,742
infrastructure and capital

11095
06:24:39,742 --> 06:24:42,142
development. And that's not

11096
06:24:42,511 --> 06:24:44,514
what you're all looking for.

11097
06:24:44,514 --> 06:24:46,683
That preservation of all

11098
06:24:46,683 --> 06:24:47,450
Colorado City. Why go to

11099
06:24:47,450 --> 06:24:48,840
certain candy shops down

11100
06:24:48,840 --> 06:24:49,886
there? Why go to certain

11101
06:24:49,886 --> 06:24:51,886
Italian restaurants down

11102
06:24:52,356 --> 06:24:53,224
there? That preservation

11103
06:24:53,224 --> 06:24:55,224
historical preservation. It's

11104
06:24:56,270 --> 06:24:59,270
what you are wanting while

11105
06:24:59,630 --> 06:25:01,463
still doing maintaining the

11106
06:25:02,670 --> 06:25:03,368
Clinton this the up. Keep

11107
06:25:03,368 --> 06:25:03,969
making sure your businesses

11108
06:25:03,969 --> 06:25:05,404
can still thrive while

11109
06:25:05,404 --> 06:25:07,404
maintaining at historical

11110
06:25:08,473 --> 06:25:10,543
precedence is where we should

11111
06:25:10,543 --> 06:25:13,450
be putting lot of our effort

11112
06:25:13,450 --> 06:25:13,813
into and I do go back to the

11113
06:25:13,813 --> 06:25:16,213
vote that transpired NOVEMBER

11114
06:25:18,652 --> 06:25:21,520
of 2024, the actual formation,

11115
06:25:21,856 --> 06:25:24,856
the dta that vote past 123,

11116
06:25:26,827 --> 06:25:29,630
2.90. The Mill Levy failed

11117
06:25:29,630 --> 06:25:31,463
that vote fail. 98. Yes, 115

11118
06:25:33,301 --> 06:25:36,301
know. Now the other 2 items,

11119
06:25:36,505 --> 06:25:39,208
the debt authorization and the

11120
06:25:39,208 --> 06:25:41,608
Revenue retention, those pass.

11121
06:25:45,150 --> 06:25:47,150
But look how those past.

11122
06:25:47,150 --> 06:25:47,952
Authorization pass 188. Yes,

11123
06:25:47,952 --> 06:25:50,352
105. No. However, the table

11124
06:25:51,550 --> 06:25:54,550
review retention. But it past

11125
06:25:55,860 --> 06:25:56,828
105. Yes. And 100 and to know.

11126
06:25:56,828 --> 06:25:59,297
So it goes to the heart of a

11127
06:25:59,297 --> 06:25:59,997
lot of the folks that mention

11128
06:25:59,997 --> 06:26:03,435
there are some people in some

11129
06:26:03,435 --> 06:26:04,202
numbers that are missing year.

11130
06:26:04,202 --> 06:26:05,700
There are people that were

11131
06:26:05,700 --> 06:26:06,873
included that maybe voted

11132
06:26:06,873 --> 06:26:07,874
probably shouldn't have not

11133
06:26:07,874 --> 06:26:09,742
voted. And there are people

11134
06:26:09,742 --> 06:26:11,177
that should have voted and

11135
06:26:11,177 --> 06:26:14,177
somehow they got missed in

11136
06:26:16,884 --> 06:26:19,520
this entire process. So I will

11137
06:26:19,520 --> 06:26:22,256
tell you, I want something for

11138
06:26:22,256 --> 06:26:22,990
you. I love Colorado City. I

11139
06:26:22,990 --> 06:26:25,960
love the passion that you have

11140
06:26:25,960 --> 06:26:26,795
for your business. Is. And I

11141
06:26:26,795 --> 06:26:29,795
think there is something there

11142
06:26:31,533 --> 06:26:32,234
that we collectively. Can lean

11143
06:26:32,234 --> 06:26:34,870
into. Not what is that? Is it

11144
06:26:34,870 --> 06:26:39,670
to be I d it is a is

11145
06:26:39,909 --> 06:26:40,777
collaboration the I d with new

11146
06:26:40,777 --> 06:26:43,177
form agreement with downtown

11147
06:26:43,780 --> 06:26:44,314
what the current dda in place

11148
06:26:44,314 --> 06:26:46,160
along with economic

11149
06:26:46,160 --> 06:26:47,851
development, along with other

11150
06:26:47,851 --> 06:26:48,552
items, whatever that looks

11151
06:26:48,552 --> 06:26:51,188
like and what of that shapes

11152
06:26:51,188 --> 06:26:53,591
out to be. There is something

11153
06:26:53,591 --> 06:26:57,191
there for us to lean into.

11154
06:26:58,196 --> 06:26:59,297
However, factor is I go back

11155
06:26:59,297 --> 06:27:02,168
again. Minus the one city and

11156
06:27:02,168 --> 06:27:02,834
they did it for a very unique

11157
06:27:02,834 --> 06:27:05,103
reason. Do want to pass on

11158
06:27:05,103 --> 06:27:06,706
that because it has whole lot

11159
06:27:06,706 --> 06:27:09,709
rooted in a lot of negative

11160
06:27:09,709 --> 06:27:12,546
things. But that makes us the

11161
06:27:12,546 --> 06:27:13,447
only city out of 19,500 and

11162
06:27:13,447 --> 06:27:14,114
United States that would like

11163
06:27:14,114 --> 06:27:17,818
to have to the da's in the

11164
06:27:17,818 --> 06:27:19,153
same city. So I think that and

11165
06:27:19,153 --> 06:27:19,854
then when you look back at the

11166
06:27:19,854 --> 06:27:21,188
minute, when you look at how

11167
06:27:21,188 --> 06:27:24,559
we got here, I think we need

11168
06:27:24,559 --> 06:27:26,862
to take a step back and just

11169
06:27:26,862 --> 06:27:28,797
say, ok, how do we make this

11170
06:27:28,797 --> 06:27:29,698
right? And I and I hate to put

11171
06:27:29,698 --> 06:27:32,801
you on spot or I because we've

11172
06:27:32,801 --> 06:27:35,801
had conversations. But he is

11173
06:27:36,873 --> 06:27:38,410
already stand by. To help get

11174
06:27:38,410 --> 06:27:40,577
this to what ever best

11175
06:27:40,577 --> 06:27:43,577
mechanism. Is ready to move

11176
06:27:45,882 --> 06:27:48,385
forward. And I've seen him in

11177
06:27:48,385 --> 06:27:49,530
action. One of the most astute

11178
06:27:49,530 --> 06:27:51,355
professionals I've ever ran

11179
06:27:51,355 --> 06:27:53,391
across in my time. And he

11180
06:27:53,391 --> 06:27:56,391
knows this stuff inside and

11181
06:27:56,595 --> 06:27:59,565
out. So I would say leverage

11182
06:27:59,565 --> 06:28:00,232
leverage those organizations

11183
06:28:00,232 --> 06:28:00,966
less leverage, current

11184
06:28:00,966 --> 06:28:03,966
organizations we have in place

11185
06:28:06,439 --> 06:28:07,106
in the city. And let's not

11186
06:28:07,106 --> 06:28:09,106
conflate confuse. Alright,

11187
06:28:09,775 --> 06:28:13,375
look to use the word markup.

11188
06:28:13,480 --> 06:28:14,114
We kind of mucking up dda is

11189
06:28:14,114 --> 06:28:16,514
intended for versus what

11190
06:28:17,184 --> 06:28:19,921
you're asking for. And I think

11191
06:28:19,921 --> 06:28:20,655
this is why you finding United

11192
06:28:20,655 --> 06:28:23,655
States. There's not any cities

11193
06:28:23,792 --> 06:28:24,625
that have to da's. They're

11194
06:28:24,625 --> 06:28:26,327
very unique unto themselves.

11195
06:28:26,327 --> 06:28:27,229
But they're also governed by

11196
06:28:27,229 --> 06:28:29,629
revised statute. They don't

11197
06:28:31,600 --> 06:28:33,502
operate like of document unto

11198
06:28:33,502 --> 06:28:34,937
itself. Only in your

11199
06:28:34,937 --> 06:28:38,537
community. So this is where i

11200
06:28:39,609 --> 06:28:40,376
will tell you. Moving forward.

11201
06:28:40,376 --> 06:28:42,790
I think there's a lot of

11202
06:28:42,790 --> 06:28:44,382
resources that we can lean

11203
06:28:44,382 --> 06:28:46,417
into the right resources to

11204
06:28:46,417 --> 06:28:49,454
get you where you need to be

11205
06:28:49,454 --> 06:28:50,355
where we need to invt. And I

11206
06:28:50,355 --> 06:28:51,923
might even go a step further,

11207
06:28:51,923 --> 06:28:53,292
especially when it comes to

11208
06:28:53,292 --> 06:28:55,494
small business because I just

11209
06:28:55,494 --> 06:28:58,494
held a small business forum

11210
06:28:59,732 --> 06:29:02,168
back in JUNE. And that to me

11211
06:29:02,168 --> 06:29:03,200
is where we need to really

11212
06:29:03,200 --> 06:29:04,837
start looking at giving you

11213
06:29:04,837 --> 06:29:07,837
the support of resources that

11214
06:29:08,740 --> 06:29:08,775
you need in old Colorado City.

11215
06:29:08,775 --> 06:29:09,409
So with that being said, I'll

11216
06:29:09,409 --> 06:29:13,900
turn it back over to you.

11217
06:29:14,982 --> 06:29:16,450
MADAM PRESIDENT.

11218
06:29:16,450 --> 06:29:17,117
>> Seeing no other comments

11219
06:29:17,117 --> 06:29:18,553
from Councilmembers have a

11220
06:29:18,553 --> 06:29:19,353
motion from COUNCILMAN

11221
06:29:19,353 --> 06:29:22,353
Williams in a second from

11222
06:29:34,570 --> 06:29:36,970
COUNCILMAN. Remy, let's bow.

11223
06:29:39,676 --> 06:29:40,377
And the motion passes 5 to 4.

11224
06:29:40,377 --> 06:29:41,770
Moving on to item 11 able to

11225
06:29:41,770 --> 06:29:43,781
clerk. Please read item 11 a

11226
06:29:43,781 --> 06:29:45,350
into the record.

11227
06:29:45,350 --> 06:29:48,350
>> PRESIDENT. Can I just ask?

11228
06:29:51,880 --> 06:29:51,790
I think. I want to let the

11229
06:29:51,790 --> 06:29:54,660
citizens know that we vote on

11230
06:29:54,660 --> 06:29:55,361
this again in 2

11231
06:29:55,361 --> 06:29:58,961
>> We vote on this again in 2

11232
06:29:59,566 --> 06:30:00,300
weeks. Going to line Will the

11233
06:30:00,300 --> 06:30:03,300
clerk please read item 11 a

11234
06:30:04,304 --> 06:30:05,305
into the record ordinance

11235
06:30:05,305 --> 06:30:06,740
number. 26 37 amending the

11236
06:30:06,740 --> 06:30:07,407
zoning map. The city Colorado

11237
06:30:07,407 --> 06:30:09,407
Springs pertaining to 5.41

11238
06:30:10,100 --> 06:30:10,678
Acres located it.

11239
06:30:10,678 --> 06:30:13,780
>> But 3 to 5 MARCH. Sadly,

11240
06:30:14,182 --> 06:30:17,182
all of our mixed use

11241
06:30:17,352 --> 06:30:18,953
neighborhood scale was streams

11242
06:30:18,953 --> 06:30:19,854
had a really to mixed use

11243
06:30:19,854 --> 06:30:20,556
medium streamside overlay.

11244
06:30:20,556 --> 06:30:21,990
This is the second reading in

11245
06:30:21,990 --> 06:30:22,591
the public hearing.

11246
06:30:22,591 --> 06:30:24,591
>> Today's hearing will

11247
06:30:24,927 --> 06:30:27,927
proceed is the following city

11248
06:30:28,131 --> 06:30:29,310
staff presentation applicant

11249
06:30:29,310 --> 06:30:29,933
presentation public comment

11250
06:30:29,933 --> 06:30:30,934
support public coming in.

11251
06:30:30,934 --> 06:30:32,835
Opposition applicant rebuttal

11252
06:30:32,835 --> 06:30:34,400
closing stop comments back to

11253
06:30:34,400 --> 06:30:36,404
the dice. The questions,

11254
06:30:36,607 --> 06:30:38,607
deliberation and decision.

11255
06:30:38,809 --> 06:30:39,610
>> And then PRESIDENT, can I

11256
06:30:39,610 --> 06:30:43,210
ask for a 5 minute recess or 5

11257
06:31:12,175 --> 06:31:15,175
City planning. I'm here in

11258
06:31:15,211 --> 06:31:16,513
place of Chris Sullivan this

11259
06:31:16,513 --> 06:31:18,581
evening. He's a senior planner

11260
06:31:18,581 --> 06:31:19,282
team and he was the case

11261
06:31:19,282 --> 06:31:22,282
planner for this project. But

11262
06:31:22,986 --> 06:31:25,386
he's unavailable tanks. So

11263
06:31:28,593 --> 06:31:30,461
this project is one way to

11264
06:31:30,461 --> 06:31:31,329
project is a proposed zoning

11265
06:31:31,329 --> 06:31:34,329
change with land. Use a

11266
06:31:34,733 --> 06:31:37,133
statement located at 5, 3, to

11267
06:31:38,303 --> 06:31:40,405
5 Mark Dabbling Boulevard and

11268
06:31:40,405 --> 06:31:41,106
the proposed changes from mx

11269
06:31:41,106 --> 06:31:44,760
an ss owns that is mixed use

11270
06:31:44,760 --> 06:31:46,760
neighborhood scale streamside

11271
06:31:46,879 --> 06:31:47,480
overlay to annex That is

11272
06:31:47,480 --> 06:31:49,682
mixed. Use medium scale

11273
06:31:49,682 --> 06:31:51,682
streamside overlay.

11274
06:31:56,657 --> 06:31:59,560
As I said, the site is 5.4 1

11275
06:31:59,560 --> 06:32:00,394
acres and is located on Mark

11276
06:32:00,394 --> 06:32:02,794
Toppling Boulevard South east

11277
06:32:07,736 --> 06:32:09,672
Interstate. 25. And existing

11278
06:32:09,672 --> 06:32:10,739
home sites. There are some

11279
06:32:10,739 --> 06:32:11,374
existing improvements. Couple,

11280
06:32:11,374 --> 06:32:13,774
a small office buildings

11281
06:32:15,144 --> 06:32:15,778
located on the site. Pix Peak

11282
06:32:15,778 --> 06:32:16,612
Greenway Trail also runs

11283
06:32:16,612 --> 06:32:17,647
through the center of this

11284
06:32:17,647 --> 06:32:20,647
property at forming part of

11285
06:32:21,352 --> 06:32:22,252
the regional trail system. The

11286
06:32:22,252 --> 06:32:22,986
East property line Texans down

11287
06:32:22,986 --> 06:32:26,586
at the center Line of Monument

11288
06:32:27,391 --> 06:32:27,992
Creek as well. The property is

11289
06:32:27,992 --> 06:32:30,610
surrounded by bp's own

11290
06:32:30,610 --> 06:32:31,630
district, which is business

11291
06:32:31,630 --> 06:32:34,300
Park, which allows primarily

11292
06:32:35,300 --> 06:32:36,000
commercial industrial use as

11293
06:32:36,000 --> 06:32:38,360
and so the properties to the

11294
06:32:38,360 --> 06:32:39,872
northwest are primarily

11295
06:32:39,872 --> 06:32:40,573
office. And then we also have

11296
06:32:40,573 --> 06:32:44,173
a Monument creek to the south

11297
06:32:45,178 --> 06:32:46,312
and some multifamily

11298
06:32:46,312 --> 06:32:48,312
residential across Monument

11299
06:32:49,383 --> 06:32:52,383
Creek and to the southeast.

11300
06:32:52,987 --> 06:32:55,122
And in terms of the history of

11301
06:32:55,122 --> 06:32:57,240
the the property was rezoned

11302
06:32:57,240 --> 06:32:57,691
to office complex with

11303
06:32:57,691 --> 06:32:59,294
Streamside overlay back in

11304
06:32:59,294 --> 06:33:01,694
2017 under the former chapter

11305
06:33:02,831 --> 06:33:05,231
7 with the supporting concept

11306
06:33:06,702 --> 06:33:07,402
plan and this was to

11307
06:33:07,402 --> 06:33:09,402
application development plan

11308
06:33:09,405 --> 06:33:10,390
on variants and final plat for

11309
06:33:10,390 --> 06:33:12,390
multi-family residential

11310
06:33:13,976 --> 06:33:15,110
totaling 48 units. These

11311
06:33:15,110 --> 06:33:16,780
applications were never

11312
06:33:16,780 --> 06:33:18,849
approved due to a private

11313
06:33:18,849 --> 06:33:19,716
company restriction and have

11314
06:33:19,716 --> 06:33:20,250
been applied to the property

11315
06:33:20,250 --> 06:33:21,885
that prohibited the

11316
06:33:21,885 --> 06:33:22,753
development of residential

11317
06:33:22,753 --> 06:33:25,753
uses and the proof concept

11318
06:33:26,900 --> 06:33:26,791
plan expired in 2023. And the

11319
06:33:26,791 --> 06:33:29,191
other associate almonds again

11320
06:33:32,197 --> 06:33:33,398
were never proved. In 2023

11321
06:33:33,398 --> 06:33:34,933
Office complex zone was

11322
06:33:34,933 --> 06:33:35,634
absorbed into mixed use

11323
06:33:35,634 --> 06:33:38,370
neighborhood scale as part of

11324
06:33:38,370 --> 06:33:41,370
the bigger. Adoption of the

11325
06:33:43,142 --> 06:33:45,440
Unified Development Code. And

11326
06:33:45,440 --> 06:33:45,745
at that the multi-family

11327
06:33:45,745 --> 06:33:47,914
residential use was no longer

11328
06:33:47,914 --> 06:33:50,914
permitted by right? So we'll

11329
06:33:55,122 --> 06:33:57,124
touch that a later. So again,

11330
06:33:57,124 --> 06:33:58,226
the proposed rezoning is from

11331
06:33:58,226 --> 06:33:59,270
mixed use neighborhood scale

11332
06:33:59,270 --> 06:34:01,290
streams. I do relate to mixed

11333
06:34:01,290 --> 06:34:02,364
use medium scale. The

11334
06:34:02,364 --> 06:34:04,320
streamside overlay. So I have

11335
06:34:04,320 --> 06:34:06,320
highlighted our Chris

11336
06:34:06,168 --> 06:34:06,935
highlighted some of those

11337
06:34:06,935 --> 06:34:08,704
dimensional standards what

11338
06:34:08,704 --> 06:34:12,304
that change will look like on

11339
06:34:15,278 --> 06:34:16,179
this slide. There is

11340
06:34:16,179 --> 06:34:18,579
predominantly an increase in

11341
06:34:18,749 --> 06:34:19,682
building setbacks between

11342
06:34:19,682 --> 06:34:22,820
mixed use neighborhood and

11343
06:34:23,920 --> 06:34:25,155
mixed use medium scale. We're

11344
06:34:25,155 --> 06:34:27,555
going from 5 foot interior

11345
06:34:28,859 --> 06:34:29,527
side to 20 feet. For example,

11346
06:34:29,527 --> 06:34:30,194
15 foot corner on a side

11347
06:34:30,194 --> 06:34:32,594
street to 30 feet required.

11348
06:34:34,990 --> 06:34:36,340
Setback. There are a few

11349
06:34:36,340 --> 06:34:37,136
reductions, including the 20

11350
06:34:37,136 --> 06:34:37,736
foot rear setback would become

11351
06:34:37,736 --> 06:34:40,136
a 15 foot rear setback.

11352
06:34:40,907 --> 06:34:41,607
Maximum building height

11353
06:34:41,607 --> 06:34:44,700
permitted would increase from

11354
06:34:54,722 --> 06:34:56,624
45 feet 50 feet. Item I was

11355
06:34:56,624 --> 06:34:57,892
initially submitted NOVEMBER

11356
06:34:57,892 --> 06:35:00,495
18, 2025. It went too far in

11357
06:35:00,495 --> 06:35:04,950
cycles and it was ready for

11358
06:35:04,599 --> 06:35:05,467
the agenda on JUNE 12th. And

11359
06:35:05,467 --> 06:35:07,136
it subsequently went to City

11360
06:35:07,136 --> 06:35:08,700
Planning Commission on JULY

11361
06:35:08,700 --> 06:35:10,673
8th 2026. And was approved on

11362
06:35:10,673 --> 06:35:12,673
the consent agenda.

11363
06:35:16,146 --> 06:35:19,146
And postcards were mailed to

11364
06:35:21,370 --> 06:35:21,485
properties within 1000 feet

11365
06:35:21,485 --> 06:35:23,120
their 25 postcards mailed out

11366
06:35:23,120 --> 06:35:23,854
in 0 comments were received

11367
06:35:23,854 --> 06:35:26,357
and a public notice occurred

11368
06:35:26,357 --> 06:35:27,358
during administrative review

11369
06:35:27,358 --> 06:35:29,758
prior to City Planning

11370
06:35:32,297 --> 06:35:34,399
Commission. And again, prior

11371
06:35:34,399 --> 06:35:37,399
no major agency comments I

11372
06:35:39,137 --> 06:35:40,506
received at this time. All

11373
06:35:40,506 --> 06:35:41,340
comments specific to the to

11374
06:35:41,340 --> 06:35:42,740
the different agencies will be

11375
06:35:42,740 --> 06:35:45,740
provided a time of development

11376
06:35:51,752 --> 06:35:53,720
plans And this project was

11377
06:35:53,720 --> 06:35:54,822
reviewed as well for

11378
06:35:54,822 --> 06:35:57,822
compliance with plans us and

11379
06:35:58,359 --> 06:35:59,393
was found to be in compliance

11380
06:35:59,393 --> 06:36:00,127
with applicable visions. Big

11381
06:36:00,127 --> 06:36:03,727
ideas and strategies of plan c

11382
06:36:05,267 --> 06:36:08,603
s. And it was also evaluated

11383
06:36:08,603 --> 06:36:09,305
for income hi and Sweat. The

11384
06:36:09,305 --> 06:36:12,305
criteria for approval for his

11385
06:36:14,243 --> 06:36:15,211
own map Amendment. There are a

11386
06:36:15,211 --> 06:36:16,212
couple of things that Chris

11387
06:36:16,212 --> 06:36:16,813
wanted to highlight as part

11388
06:36:16,813 --> 06:36:19,813
his revere as the case

11389
06:36:23,587 --> 06:36:25,590
planner. And those included.

11390
06:36:25,590 --> 06:36:26,690
And the mx an for the current

11391
06:36:26,690 --> 06:36:27,858
zoning. I'm is intended to be

11392
06:36:27,858 --> 06:36:29,560
located on the edge of or

11393
06:36:29,560 --> 06:36:31,228
internal to residential

11394
06:36:31,228 --> 06:36:33,628
neighborhoods with eye court

11395
06:36:35,100 --> 06:36:36,901
with were off neighbor, a

11396
06:36:36,901 --> 06:36:37,602
combination of local streets

11397
06:36:37,602 --> 06:36:38,871
and collector slash arterial

11398
06:36:38,871 --> 06:36:41,871
streets where as the proposed

11399
06:36:42,641 --> 06:36:43,309
rezoning next at and is

11400
06:36:43,309 --> 06:36:43,977
intended to accommodate the

11401
06:36:43,977 --> 06:36:44,644
development of new activity

11402
06:36:44,644 --> 06:36:47,440
centers in emerging growth

11403
06:36:48,748 --> 06:36:49,650
areas. Essentially provide

11404
06:36:49,650 --> 06:36:50,317
some additional flexibility

11405
06:36:50,317 --> 06:36:53,317
for the development of the

11406
06:36:55,656 --> 06:36:57,240
site. Additionally, the

11407
06:36:57,240 --> 06:36:57,792
Monument that runs through the

11408
06:36:57,792 --> 06:37:00,595
site as well as a missing

11409
06:37:00,595 --> 06:37:02,995
trail, does create time

11410
06:37:04,366 --> 06:37:05,501
constraints on development of

11411
06:37:05,501 --> 06:37:06,350
this site. And the multi the

11412
06:37:06,350 --> 06:37:08,350
proposed potential

11413
06:37:09,438 --> 06:37:10,390
multi-family residential use.

11414
06:37:10,390 --> 06:37:10,640
I was identified as an

11415
06:37:10,640 --> 06:37:12,508
opportunity to kind of

11416
06:37:12,508 --> 06:37:13,910
activate the stream tight

11417
06:37:13,910 --> 06:37:14,611
area. Further. And that was

11418
06:37:14,611 --> 06:37:18,211
identified as a as a positive

11419
06:37:18,582 --> 06:37:20,982
opportunity by staff. Add

11420
06:37:22,586 --> 06:37:23,888
additional Leno other kind of

11421
06:37:23,888 --> 06:37:24,622
negative impacts were

11422
06:37:24,622 --> 06:37:27,622
identified as a consequence of

11423
06:37:30,895 --> 06:37:32,864
this proposed reason. I'm so

11424
06:37:32,864 --> 06:37:33,531
after a valuation this

11425
06:37:33,531 --> 06:37:36,531
application at him, it was

11426
06:37:37,736 --> 06:37:41,336
time to meet criteria. We have

11427
06:37:41,707 --> 06:37:42,275
are optional motions here. And

11428
06:37:42,275 --> 06:37:45,275
I can also answer any

11429
06:37:46,613 --> 06:37:48,613
questions. Johnson and

11430
06:37:48,748 --> 06:37:49,483
Johnson, I think. Thank you,

11431
06:37:49,483 --> 06:37:52,483
MADAM PRESIDENT. And is the

11432
06:37:54,789 --> 06:37:56,789
property owner here?

11433
06:37:57,925 --> 06:38:00,925
>> Want to? And he's the

11434
06:38:01,896 --> 06:38:04,896
gentleman says that. For this

11435
06:38:04,900 --> 06:38:05,667
project or property.

11436
06:38:05,667 --> 06:38:06,268
>> Yeah, there will be an

11437
06:38:06,268 --> 06:38:07,936
applicant presentation

11438
06:38:07,936 --> 06:38:09,936
falling. Stocks occasion.

11439
06:38:13,843 --> 06:38:14,544
Okay. Rezone. Prior zoning

11440
06:38:14,544 --> 06:38:17,544
does not allow data centers.

11441
06:38:20,283 --> 06:38:20,984
That correct.

11442
06:38:20,984 --> 06:38:23,320
>> ios or I'm sorry, the imax

11443
06:38:23,320 --> 06:38:26,320
and zoning districts. I'm not

11444
06:38:26,423 --> 06:38:27,925
sure about

11445
06:38:27,925 --> 06:38:30,325
>> Does the request own

11446
06:38:39,104 --> 06:38:40,730
allowed data centers. Working

11447
06:38:40,730 --> 06:38:41,474
>> ok, that'll be my question.

11448
06:38:41,474 --> 06:38:42,700
And can. You can double back

11449
06:38:42,700 --> 06:38:44,700
after the applicant

11450
06:38:47,113 --> 06:38:49,513
presentation. We'll need fun.

11451
06:38:53,220 --> 06:38:53,954
>> Thank you know the

11452
06:38:53,954 --> 06:38:54,655
questions we will not have the

11453
06:38:54,655 --> 06:38:56,655
applicant presentation for 15

11454
06:38:56,724 --> 06:38:58,724
minutes.

11455
06:39:03,310 --> 06:39:06,310
Good evening this evening. Now

11456
06:39:06,869 --> 06:39:08,300
PRESIDENT Crow, Iverson. Pro

11457
06:39:08,300 --> 06:39:10,740
Tem Risley and council members

11458
06:39:10,740 --> 06:39:11,674
minds. John ultimate urban

11459
06:39:11,674 --> 06:39:14,674
landscapes. We are the planner

11460
06:39:15,512 --> 06:39:17,814
for the property owner

11461
06:39:17,814 --> 06:39:18,482
terrorize us as property owner

11462
06:39:18,482 --> 06:39:19,216
is not able to join us this

11463
06:39:19,216 --> 06:39:21,352
evening. He is a resident here

11464
06:39:21,352 --> 06:39:22,520
in Colorado Springs and

11465
06:39:22,520 --> 06:39:23,554
actually got an unknown. Know

11466
06:39:23,554 --> 06:39:25,954
him, sir, playing pickleball.

11467
06:39:27,692 --> 06:39:28,359
Interestingly enough. Rodrigo

11468
06:39:28,359 --> 06:39:30,759
purchased this property. I

11469
06:39:32,931 --> 06:39:33,632
want to say in 2022 2023. So

11470
06:39:33,632 --> 06:39:36,235
it was right around the time

11471
06:39:36,235 --> 06:39:40,435
of the utc. We go through the

11472
06:39:41,273 --> 06:39:41,907
slides here. And just to

11473
06:39:41,907 --> 06:39:43,760
answer your question, MR.

11474
06:39:43,760 --> 06:39:45,144
Donaldson, I'm not exactly

11475
06:39:45,144 --> 06:39:47,514
sure that was not ever use

11476
06:39:47,514 --> 06:39:48,148
that was ever contemplated

11477
06:39:48,148 --> 06:39:50,548
discussed by the property

11478
06:39:51,252 --> 06:39:51,951
owner. So I'm not sure if it's

11479
06:39:51,951 --> 06:39:55,551
allowed or not, but I'm sure

11480
06:39:55,656 --> 06:39:57,825
they're looking to right now.

11481
06:39:57,825 --> 06:39:59,600
So some history on this. There

11482
06:39:59,600 --> 06:40:00,895
was unchanged, proved in 2017

11483
06:40:00,895 --> 06:40:02,697
with the concept plan. It was

11484
06:40:02,697 --> 06:40:03,765
looked at for affordable

11485
06:40:03,765 --> 06:40:05,500
housing. So there was a there

11486
06:40:05,500 --> 06:40:07,569
are formal plans put together

11487
06:40:07,569 --> 06:40:09,505
for this. The site is very

11488
06:40:09,505 --> 06:40:10,539
constrained with a lot of

11489
06:40:10,539 --> 06:40:12,208
things. A lot of a lot of

11490
06:40:12,208 --> 06:40:12,842
charm that goes into it, too,

11491
06:40:12,842 --> 06:40:14,277
because of the the trail

11492
06:40:14,277 --> 06:40:16,312
that's there. The creek is

11493
06:40:16,312 --> 06:40:17,347
right there. You'd be all

11494
06:40:17,347 --> 06:40:18,415
familiar with this being a

11495
06:40:18,415 --> 06:40:18,982
cross from university village

11496
06:40:18,982 --> 06:40:20,450
across the creek from

11497
06:40:20,450 --> 06:40:21,118
University Village area. So

11498
06:40:21,118 --> 06:40:24,118
the trail and there's very

11499
06:40:24,488 --> 06:40:25,323
beautiful. And so the trail by

11500
06:40:25,323 --> 06:40:26,230
sex, the property in quite a

11501
06:40:26,230 --> 06:40:29,623
bit. And we'll look show that

11502
06:40:30,928 --> 06:40:33,498
here in a minute. T previous

11503
06:40:33,498 --> 06:40:34,199
zoning, which was pdi-p to eye

11504
06:40:34,199 --> 06:40:36,902
way before. It was reason. I

11505
06:40:36,902 --> 06:40:37,670
did believe did so. That's

11506
06:40:37,670 --> 06:40:38,370
more of an industry will allow

11507
06:40:38,370 --> 06:40:40,473
data center just for whatever

11508
06:40:40,473 --> 06:40:43,473
it's worth. When it's an

11509
06:40:44,177 --> 06:40:44,811
either zone.

11510
06:40:44,811 --> 06:40:47,211
>> They're not allowed in

11511
06:40:49,316 --> 06:40:50,170
either them.

11512
06:40:50,170 --> 06:40:53,170
>> Thank you, MR. Williams. I

11513
06:40:57,358 --> 06:40:59,358
mean, MR. Walker.

11514
06:40:59,527 --> 06:41:00,962
>> So it what he was looking

11515
06:41:00,962 --> 06:41:01,697
for in particular on this

11516
06:41:01,697 --> 06:41:04,970
property, the property owners,

11517
06:41:04,700 --> 06:41:05,701
he was looking to figure out

11518
06:41:05,701 --> 06:41:06,368
how to get value out of this

11519
06:41:06,368 --> 06:41:09,400
land. So when he approached

11520
06:41:09,400 --> 06:41:10,940
us, we're looking at it for

11521
06:41:10,940 --> 06:41:13,900
something along the idea of a

11522
06:41:13,900 --> 06:41:13,643
campground, recreational

11523
06:41:13,643 --> 06:41:14,377
vehicle, park clothes was

11524
06:41:14,377 --> 06:41:15,780
really what he was looking at.

11525
06:41:15,780 --> 06:41:17,581
And he was looking at more of

11526
06:41:17,581 --> 06:41:19,817
a clamping kind of a the feel

11527
06:41:19,817 --> 06:41:22,186
that would go along the creeks

11528
06:41:22,186 --> 06:41:24,288
there. But he also didn't want

11529
06:41:24,288 --> 06:41:24,689
he wanted have the multifamily

11530
06:41:24,689 --> 06:41:26,689
allowance.

11531
06:41:27,492 --> 06:41:28,393
>> As happens with us, seems

11532
06:41:28,393 --> 06:41:29,127
like every project that touch

11533
06:41:29,127 --> 06:41:31,696
things change when you're just

11534
06:41:31,696 --> 06:41:32,530
doing his own change. An.

11535
06:41:32,530 --> 06:41:33,232
>> And over time we've had a

11536
06:41:33,232 --> 06:41:36,232
lot of interest in the

11537
06:41:36,235 --> 06:41:38,337
multifamily side of things. So

11538
06:41:38,337 --> 06:41:40,172
it's a it's a good fit. The

11539
06:41:40,172 --> 06:41:40,906
idea is to really return

11540
06:41:40,906 --> 06:41:42,800
zoning of the property back to

11541
06:41:42,800 --> 06:41:43,876
what it was and what it

11542
06:41:43,876 --> 06:41:44,744
allowed, which was the

11543
06:41:44,744 --> 06:41:45,344
multifamily aspect and the

11544
06:41:45,344 --> 06:41:47,344
campground recreational

11545
06:41:49,383 --> 06:41:52,383
vehicle Park. So in 2023, the

11546
06:41:54,221 --> 06:41:56,570
utc was adopted. And next, an

11547
06:41:56,570 --> 06:41:58,457
which is mixed use

11548
06:41:58,626 --> 06:41:59,327
neighborhood still streamside.

11549
06:41:59,327 --> 06:42:02,327
So there's there's all those

11550
06:42:03,164 --> 06:42:04,433
components to coach the site.

11551
06:42:04,433 --> 06:42:05,834
This is the prior concept

11552
06:42:05,834 --> 06:42:07,303
plans. So the if you look at

11553
06:42:07,303 --> 06:42:09,505
Upper cross building on there,

11554
06:42:09,505 --> 06:42:11,905
that's an existing structure

11555
06:42:13,342 --> 06:42:14,243
that exists there today. I

11556
06:42:14,243 --> 06:42:17,243
believe there's a home made

11557
06:42:18,810 --> 06:42:18,716
lives in there right now. And

11558
06:42:18,716 --> 06:42:21,184
with this plan, they were

11559
06:42:21,184 --> 06:42:22,190
looking at it as a clubhouse.

11560
06:42:22,190 --> 06:42:22,753
So just going to convert the

11561
06:42:22,753 --> 06:42:24,354
existing building and then the

11562
06:42:24,354 --> 06:42:26,591
larger building being the

11563
06:42:26,591 --> 06:42:27,458
multi-family. This was done by

11564
06:42:27,458 --> 06:42:29,594
America, West House and

11565
06:42:29,594 --> 06:42:30,828
solutions during that that

11566
06:42:30,828 --> 06:42:33,765
process to my knowledge, they

11567
06:42:33,765 --> 06:42:34,632
never actually owned this

11568
06:42:34,632 --> 06:42:37,169
property so they weren't able

11569
06:42:37,169 --> 06:42:41,369
to go in and fulfill it before

11570
06:42:42,410 --> 06:42:43,142
the economy did what it did.

11571
06:42:43,142 --> 06:42:44,678
Here's a streamside overlay on

11572
06:42:44,678 --> 06:42:45,678
here and you can see the

11573
06:42:45,678 --> 06:42:46,379
overall site Israeli

11574
06:42:46,379 --> 06:42:49,379
highlighted on there. You can

11575
06:42:49,649 --> 06:42:50,383
see it expands across the

11576
06:42:50,383 --> 06:42:53,383
creek. It's really quite large

11577
06:42:54,155 --> 06:42:55,389
and the trail piece there.

11578
06:42:55,389 --> 06:42:58,389
There there's a stream side

11579
06:42:59,193 --> 06:43:01,593
overlay. I'm sorry. Property

11580
06:43:01,997 --> 06:43:03,198
doesn't go across creek and on

11581
06:43:03,198 --> 06:43:03,932
talking about streamside

11582
06:43:03,932 --> 06:43:06,680
overlay. So it's 53. 85 on the

11583
06:43:06,680 --> 06:43:10,268
map here. If I could. So know,

11584
06:43:11,107 --> 06:43:13,507
doesn't work. There's another.

11585
06:43:14,911 --> 06:43:15,630
There's friction site that it

11586
06:43:15,630 --> 06:43:16,246
turns it rotates. That's

11587
06:43:16,246 --> 06:43:19,246
confusing aspect. North is up

11588
06:43:19,783 --> 06:43:24,210
now. Or we've got a lot of it

11589
06:43:24,210 --> 06:43:26,624
in the inner buffer. Is the

11590
06:43:26,624 --> 06:43:28,693
1.7 5, I'm sorry. The powder.

11591
06:43:28,693 --> 06:43:32,293
And look at notes here keep

11592
06:43:32,297 --> 06:43:33,980
messing this up. That's the

11593
06:43:33,980 --> 06:43:33,798
outer buffer of the

11594
06:43:33,798 --> 06:43:36,198
streamside. The inner buffer

11595
06:43:37,871 --> 06:43:40,271
is the the 40 feet.

11596
06:43:40,773 --> 06:43:42,180
Development goals. As I

11597
06:43:42,180 --> 06:43:43,584
mentioned, multi-family

11598
06:43:43,584 --> 06:43:45,194
residential attached,

11599
06:43:45,194 --> 06:43:47,194
single-family campground

11600
06:43:47,725 --> 06:43:50,725
lodging. We've looked at all

11601
06:43:51,666 --> 06:43:55,266
of these aspects and what can

11602
06:43:55,321 --> 06:43:58,921
be done with site. It is

11603
06:43:59,401 --> 06:44:02,401
chopped up. There's a big

11604
06:44:05,910 --> 06:44:08,910
utility easement to comes to

11605
06:44:13,166 --> 06:44:17,366
the site as well as the trail.

11606
06:44:22,470 --> 06:44:25,470
And and the strange sight

11607
06:44:33,961 --> 06:44:36,961
aspects. But it is still

11608
06:44:45,942 --> 06:44:49,542
worthwhile to go after I put

11609
06:44:58,952 --> 06:45:01,952
all these in here, the

11610
06:45:12,126 --> 06:45:15,726
statement that you have has a

11611
06:45:24,935 --> 06:45:27,935
much larger exhaustive list. I

11612
06:45:36,760 --> 06:45:39,760
only put 5 19, an early read.

11613
06:45:49,249 --> 06:45:53,449
These are all have to do with

11614
06:46:00,905 --> 06:46:03,905
him. Still, you can imagine

11615
06:46:15,687 --> 06:46:18,687
you've seen these before. You

11616
06:46:27,600 --> 06:46:30,600
get the strategies and aspects

11617
06:46:37,416 --> 06:46:40,416
of anything you see isn't

11618
06:46:47,785 --> 06:46:51,385
change. And I mean, the backup

11619
06:46:59,930 --> 06:47:02,693
and this turn this over for

11620
06:47:09,714 --> 06:47:11,714
questions because that's

11621
06:47:20,634 --> 06:47:24,234
really the nuts and bolts the

11622
06:47:32,265 --> 06:47:35,265
property. The goals are really

11623
06:47:43,391 --> 06:47:47,591
to just return it to what was

11624
06:47:55,523 --> 06:47:57,523
allowed before. COUNCILMAN

11625
06:48:07,480 --> 06:48:09,448
Hinton. Thank you, MADAM

11626
06:48:19,204 --> 06:48:22,204
PRESIDENT, yet. Hey, John, I?

11627
06:48:31,387 --> 06:48:34,387
>> Not really a question, but

11628
06:48:46,165 --> 06:48:49,765
just more of a comment, I

11629
06:49:00,574 --> 06:49:03,574
suppose, which is how we

11630
06:49:12,319 --> 06:49:15,319
develop along the creek and

11631
06:49:21,887 --> 06:49:23,887
along that trail.

11632
06:49:32,333 --> 06:49:35,933
>> I you know, with the Pikes

11633
06:49:42,523 --> 06:49:45,523
Peak waterways, vision of what

11634
06:49:51,490 --> 06:49:55,900
can be possible with our creek

11635
06:50:01,110 --> 06:50:04,110
>> well, that I'm blanking on

11636
06:50:11,217 --> 06:50:14,217
the name of the shopping

11637
06:50:21,395 --> 06:50:23,795
center across universe of

11638
06:50:31,763 --> 06:50:33,763
illiteracy, diligence. It's

11639
06:50:41,669 --> 06:50:43,669
nice. Unfortunately, they

11640
06:50:51,760 --> 06:50:54,160
completely avoided the beauty

11641
06:51:01,503 --> 06:51:04,503
of taking advantage of the

11642
06:51:11,800 --> 06:51:14,800
beauty of looking over the

11643
06:51:20,397 --> 06:51:23,997
water on to the mountains and

11644
06:51:29,662 --> 06:51:33,262
I just hope that whatever gets

11645
06:51:39,139 --> 06:51:41,539
developed here, it takes

11646
06:51:48,188 --> 06:51:51,788
advantage of the beauty of the

11647
06:51:57,676 --> 06:52:00,676
watershed in the water. The

11648
06:52:06,490 --> 06:52:10,900
creek and activates that in a

11649
06:52:15,477 --> 06:52:18,477
way, you know, continues to

11650
06:52:25,174 --> 06:52:28,174
activate that because I think

11651
06:52:32,728 --> 06:52:35,728
it's a fabulous, you know,

11652
06:52:38,829 --> 06:52:42,429
it's fabulous. What we have a

11653
06:52:43,792 --> 06:52:46,792
long that along that creek.

11654
06:52:47,800 --> 06:52:50,200
>> Yeah, it really is

11655
06:52:51,459 --> 06:52:54,459
beautiful with out there and

11656
06:52:54,692 --> 06:52:57,580
can just walking around and

11657
06:52:57,580 --> 06:53:00,580
going on the property. It's

11658
06:53:00,744 --> 06:53:03,739
it's a fantastic piece. And

11659
06:53:03,739 --> 06:53:06,739
yeah, that was a disappointing

11660
06:53:06,871 --> 06:53:09,271
aspect of university village

11661
06:53:09,505 --> 06:53:11,809
when that one especially with

11662
06:53:11,809 --> 06:53:14,329
the 40 foot retaining wall and

11663
06:53:14,329 --> 06:53:16,958
and the other aspects towards

11664
06:53:16,958 --> 06:53:18,958
that

11665
06:53:19,711 --> 06:53:22,466
>> this site, I think would be

11666
06:53:22,466 --> 06:53:24,589
pretty hard to not engage the

11667
06:53:24,589 --> 06:53:26,982
creek. You know, it's it's

11668
06:53:26,982 --> 06:53:28,982
right there. There's

11669
06:53:29,378 --> 06:53:31,456
floodplain aspects that go

11670
06:53:31,456 --> 06:53:33,862
into this. But the creek is

11671
06:53:33,862 --> 06:53:36,262
the major manatee Mark

11672
06:53:36,355 --> 06:53:38,646
battling is. Not necessarily

11673
06:53:38,646 --> 06:53:41,326
something you really want to

11674
06:53:41,326 --> 06:53:43,726
front onto, but Creek,

11675
06:53:44,248 --> 06:53:46,248
absolutely.

11676
06:53:47,165 --> 06:53:49,505
See their questions at this

11677
06:53:49,505 --> 06:53:51,505
time.

11678
06:53:52,330 --> 06:53:54,499
>> have no one signed up in

11679
06:53:54,499 --> 06:53:56,832
support of the project and we

11680
06:53:56,832 --> 06:53:59,202
have no one signed up in a

11681
06:53:59,202 --> 06:54:01,202
position.

11682
06:54:01,545 --> 06:54:03,643
>> So we will now move to the

11683
06:54:03,643 --> 06:54:05,905
applicant. There's no rebuttal

11684
06:54:05,905 --> 06:54:07,643
so we will hear a final

11685
06:54:07,643 --> 06:54:09,931
closing from staff if there is

11686
06:54:09,931 --> 06:54:12,151
one. To the Dias for

11687
06:54:12,151 --> 06:54:13,914
questions. I don't see any. We

11688
06:54:13,914 --> 06:54:15,370
have a motion from COUNCILMAN

11689
06:54:15,370 --> 06:54:16,949
In a second from COUNCILMAN

11690
06:54:16,949 --> 06:54:18,361
Risley. Let's vote.

11691
06:54:18,361 --> 06:54:19,744
We can do

11692
06:54:19,744 --> 06:54:21,509
it. If you want to do roll

11693
06:54:21,509 --> 06:54:22,934
call, we can do a voice, vote.

11694
06:54:22,934 --> 06:54:24,324
And the motion passes 8 to

11695
06:54:24,324 --> 06:54:25,617
one. Serene 8 to 0 with one

11696
06:54:25,617 --> 06:54:26,920
absence.

11697
06:54:26,920 --> 06:54:27,987
>> Moving on to lie to item 11

11698
06:54:27,987 --> 06:54:29,319
b, will the please read item

11699
06:54:29,319 --> 06:54:30,627
11 b into the record ordinance

11700
06:54:30,627 --> 06:54:31,766
number. 26 30 amending a

11701
06:54:31,766 --> 06:54:33,154
zoning map of the city in

11702
06:54:33,154 --> 06:54:34,463
Colorado Springs pertaining to

11703
06:54:34,463 --> 06:54:36,208
7.7 9 acres located at 42 90

11704
06:54:36,208 --> 06:54:37,509
43 10. 43 2043 30 43, 40

11705
06:54:37,509 --> 06:54:38,896
backing him drive.

11706
06:54:38,896 --> 06:54:40,211
>> From business Park with

11707
06:54:40,211 --> 06:54:41,583
conditions or record to light

11708
06:54:41,583 --> 06:54:42,995
industrial with conditions of

11709
06:54:42,995 --> 06:54:44,383
our current secondary.

11710
06:54:44,383 --> 06:54:45,747
>> Today's hearing will

11711
06:54:45,747 --> 06:54:47,180
proceed following city staff

11712
06:54:47,180 --> 06:54:48,399
presentation applicant

11713
06:54:48,399 --> 06:54:49,836
presentation public comment

11714
06:54:49,836 --> 06:54:51,470
support public. I'm in a

11715
06:54:51,470 --> 06:54:52,550
position applicant rebuttal

11716
06:54:52,550 --> 06:54:53,821
closing staff comments and

11717
06:54:53,821 --> 06:54:55,201
actually dies for

11718
06:54:55,201 --> 06:54:56,320
councilmember questions,

11719
06:54:56,320 --> 06:54:57,964
deliberation and decision. We

11720
06:54:57,964 --> 06:54:59,213
will now have from the city

11721
06:54:59,213 --> 06:55:00,403
planning.

11722
06:55:00,403 --> 06:55:01,749
>> Malia, Brian Plan 2 again.

11723
06:55:01,749 --> 06:55:02,822
Chris Sullivan was the case

11724
06:55:02,822 --> 06:55:03,984
planner. Those projects news

11725
06:55:03,984 --> 06:55:05,530
on it is not available. So I'm

11726
06:55:05,530 --> 06:55:06,229
here. And in his place. I

11727
06:55:06,229 --> 06:55:07,326
neither application for his

11728
06:55:07,326 --> 06:55:08,462
own map Amendment land use

11729
06:55:08,462 --> 06:55:09,521
statements and this project

11730
06:55:09,521 --> 06:55:10,699
site is located on Cunningham

11731
06:55:10,699 --> 06:55:11,688
drive South east of the

11732
06:55:11,688 --> 06:55:12,663
intersection of Centennial

11733
06:55:12,663 --> 06:55:13,562
Boulevard. And got surrounded

11734
06:55:13,562 --> 06:55:14,699
road. And these are 5

11735
06:55:14,699 --> 06:55:15,502
currently vacant. Lots. The

11736
06:55:15,502 --> 06:55:16,363
total site area, 7.7 9 acres.

11737
06:55:16,363 --> 06:55:17,253
So again, the project proposal

11738
06:55:17,253 --> 06:55:18,142
is a zoning map. Amendment out

11739
06:55:18,142 --> 06:55:18,936
with land use statements.

11740
06:55:18,936 --> 06:55:19,736
There are some existing

11741
06:55:19,736 --> 06:55:20,673
conditions of record

11742
06:55:20,673 --> 06:55:21,544
associated with the business

11743
06:55:21,544 --> 06:55:22,327
park zoning. So existing

11744
06:55:22,327 --> 06:55:23,100
conditions of record and that

11745
06:55:23,100 --> 06:55:23,755
staff is proposing to remove

11746
06:55:23,755 --> 06:55:24,434
include a 25 foot landscape.

11747
06:55:24,434 --> 06:55:25,181
Buffer. And that to be

11748
06:55:25,181 --> 06:55:26,330
provided Jason to the southern

11749
06:55:26,330 --> 06:55:26,817
property boundary. There's

11750
06:55:26,817 --> 06:55:27,581
another condition to service

11751
06:55:27,581 --> 06:55:28,303
facilities, including looting

11752
06:55:28,303 --> 06:55:29,740
and trash, including areas

11753
06:55:29,740 --> 06:55:29,866
will be designed arranged to

11754
06:55:29,866 --> 06:55:30,578
avoid adverse impact on

11755
06:55:30,578 --> 06:55:31,402
adjacent property. Zoned

11756
06:55:31,402 --> 06:55:32,630
residential. Facility shall be

11757
06:55:32,630 --> 06:55:32,772
screened, buildings, other

11758
06:55:32,772 --> 06:55:33,534
means acceptable by city

11759
06:55:33,534 --> 06:55:34,228
planning. Director. So just to

11760
06:55:34,228 --> 06:55:34,860
give a little bit more

11761
06:55:34,860 --> 06:55:35,523
background on this it is

11762
06:55:35,523 --> 06:55:36,184
currently zoned business park

11763
06:55:36,184 --> 06:55:36,854
and with conditions a record

11764
06:55:36,854 --> 06:55:37,600
and the surrounding properties

11765
06:55:37,600 --> 06:55:38,266
to the north and east are

11766
06:55:38,266 --> 06:55:38,824
predominantly zoned business

11767
06:55:38,824 --> 06:55:39,448
park used for storage

11768
06:55:39,448 --> 06:55:40,212
warehousing and light

11769
06:55:40,212 --> 06:55:40,861
industrial uses and to the

11770
06:55:40,861 --> 06:55:41,552
West. We have excuse medium

11771
06:55:41,552 --> 06:55:42,206
scale. This is a commercial

11772
06:55:42,206 --> 06:55:42,874
shopping center to the South,

11773
06:55:42,874 --> 06:55:43,592
we have in our 5 districts

11774
06:55:43,592 --> 06:55:44,239
that includes single-family

11775
06:55:44,239 --> 06:55:44,971
residential. These existing

11776
06:55:44,971 --> 06:55:45,771
conditions, a record that are

11777
06:55:45,771 --> 06:55:46,534
associate with the zoning kind

11778
06:55:46,534 --> 06:55:47,268
of considered to be sign read

11779
06:55:47,268 --> 06:55:47,928
and given the tools that exist

11780
06:55:47,928 --> 06:55:48,592
in the current unified

11781
06:55:48,592 --> 06:55:49,281
development code. Again, I

11782
06:55:49,281 --> 06:55:49,868
will touch on a little bit

11783
06:55:49,868 --> 06:55:50,566
later. But as part of this

11784
06:55:50,566 --> 06:55:51,225
rezoning request would be

11785
06:55:51,225 --> 06:55:51,840
removing these existing

11786
06:55:51,840 --> 06:55:52,514
conditions record and then

11787
06:55:52,514 --> 06:55:53,690
imposing new conditions of

11788
06:55:53,690 --> 06:55:53,680
record. And prohibiting the

11789
06:55:53,680 --> 06:55:54,339
following me says Household

11790
06:55:54,339 --> 06:55:55,440
living group living.

11791
06:55:55,440 --> 06:55:55,666
Industrial hemp marijuana

11792
06:55:55,666 --> 06:55:56,285
related services, natural

11793
06:55:56,285 --> 06:55:57,220
medicine and indoor and

11794
06:55:57,220 --> 06:55:57,575
Outdoor channel's, and I'm

11795
06:55:57,575 --> 06:55:58,407
just for your information.

11796
06:55:58,407 --> 06:55:59,399
Household living includes

11797
06:55:59,399 --> 06:56:00,634
pretty much all residential

11798
06:56:00,634 --> 06:56:01,322
uses and the unified

11799
06:56:01,322 --> 06:56:02,163
development code.

11800
06:56:02,163 --> 06:56:02,998
Councilman tend to be question

11801
06:56:02,998 --> 06:56:03,638
already. One way to finished.

11802
06:56:03,638 --> 06:56:04,233
I would have a question at

11803
06:56:04,233 --> 06:56:04,918
that's to make Yeah, thank

11804
06:56:04,918 --> 06:56:05,594
you. Yeah, I just.

11805
06:56:05,594 --> 06:56:06,252
>> And maybe we'll get more

11806
06:56:06,252 --> 06:56:06,919
into this in your

11807
06:56:06,919 --> 06:56:07,503
presentation. But I'm I'm just

11808
06:56:07,503 --> 06:56:08,143
trying to understand the

11809
06:56:08,143 --> 06:56:08,777
removal of the conditions of

11810
06:56:08,777 --> 06:56:09,502
record and the addition of the

11811
06:56:09,502 --> 06:56:10,151
conditions of record, how

11812
06:56:10,151 --> 06:56:10,814
>> common is that in a rezone

11813
06:56:10,814 --> 06:56:11,444
and why? I mean, I guess I

11814
06:56:11,444 --> 06:56:12,390
just don't fully understand.

11815
06:56:12,390 --> 06:56:12,687
>> All of that. So if you're

11816
06:56:12,687 --> 06:56:13,539
going to explain it as you go

11817
06:56:13,539 --> 06:56:14,156
on, that's fine. However, you

11818
06:56:14,156 --> 06:56:14,772
want cover. That's fine with

11819
06:56:14,772 --> 06:56:15,399
me.

11820
06:56:15,399 --> 06:56:16,240
>> Right, absolutely. I'm

11821
06:56:16,240 --> 06:56:16,631
about to go into the site

11822
06:56:16,631 --> 06:56:17,186
history and I think that kind

11823
06:56:17,186 --> 06:56:17,772
of helps to explain kind of

11824
06:56:17,772 --> 06:56:18,392
how we got here. So at this am

11825
06:56:18,392 --> 06:56:18,976
does include 5 parcels, as I

11826
06:56:18,976 --> 06:56:19,641
mentioned, and they are

11827
06:56:19,641 --> 06:56:20,266
currently vacant. And there

11828
06:56:20,266 --> 06:56:20,928
are there's a history happened

11829
06:56:20,928 --> 06:56:21,393
title months on the site and

11830
06:56:21,393 --> 06:56:21,829
of which were ultimately

11831
06:56:21,829 --> 06:56:22,310
developed. So there have been

11832
06:56:22,310 --> 06:56:22,837
several different development

11833
06:56:22,837 --> 06:56:23,422
plans that were approved for

11834
06:56:23,422 --> 06:56:23,907
sports facility. A warehouse

11835
06:56:23,907 --> 06:56:24,430
office use recreational

11836
06:56:24,430 --> 06:56:25,560
vehicle storage. So several

11837
06:56:25,560 --> 06:56:25,567
different projects that

11838
06:56:25,567 --> 06:56:26,142
approved and ultimately not go

11839
06:56:26,142 --> 06:56:26,575
forward. And so my

11840
06:56:26,575 --> 06:56:27,200
understanding is existing

11841
06:56:27,200 --> 06:56:27,420
conditions record were meant

11842
06:56:27,420 --> 06:56:27,908
to provide mitigation for the

11843
06:56:27,908 --> 06:56:28,302
properties to the south

11844
06:56:28,302 --> 06:56:28,899
single-family residential

11845
06:56:28,899 --> 06:56:29,426
properties in the case. That's

11846
06:56:29,426 --> 06:56:30,137
something kind of more intense

11847
06:56:30,137 --> 06:56:30,660
and industrial in nature was

11848
06:56:30,660 --> 06:56:31,117
developed on these lots. So

11849
06:56:31,117 --> 06:56:31,566
that 25 foot landscape buffer

11850
06:56:31,566 --> 06:56:32,240
and also the extra screening

11851
06:56:32,240 --> 06:56:32,486
and design standards for the

11852
06:56:32,486 --> 06:56:32,978
loading trash enclosure areas.

11853
06:56:32,978 --> 06:56:33,541
Intended to. Kind of lower any

11854
06:56:33,541 --> 06:56:34,930
potential negative impacts on

11855
06:56:34,930 --> 06:56:34,604
me. The adjacent residential

11856
06:56:34,604 --> 06:56:35,480
neighborhood to the South.

11857
06:56:35,480 --> 06:56:35,673
However, during this review,

11858
06:56:35,673 --> 06:56:36,219
it was determined that at

11859
06:56:36,219 --> 06:56:36,821
these these conditions, we're

11860
06:56:36,821 --> 06:56:37,496
no longer and they were they

11861
06:56:37,496 --> 06:56:38,400
were kind of redundant. As I

11862
06:56:38,400 --> 06:56:38,578
said previously, just due to

11863
06:56:38,578 --> 06:56:39,560
the tools that exist in the

11864
06:56:39,560 --> 06:56:39,646
current unified development

11865
06:56:39,646 --> 06:56:40,115
code. We do have a landscape

11866
06:56:40,115 --> 06:56:40,593
buffering requirements from

11867
06:56:40,593 --> 06:56:41,340
residential to industrial uses

11868
06:56:41,340 --> 06:56:41,541
residential to commercial

11869
06:56:41,541 --> 06:56:42,770
uses. And that does include 15

11870
06:56:42,770 --> 06:56:42,665
foot minimum landscape for.

11871
06:56:42,665 --> 06:56:43,275
And additionally, the way the

11872
06:56:43,275 --> 06:56:43,871
site is oriented to Adam,

11873
06:56:43,871 --> 06:56:44,487
which will see it would more

11874
06:56:44,487 --> 06:56:45,176
like a 50 foot. But for a guy

11875
06:56:45,176 --> 06:56:45,798
with between the landscaping

11876
06:56:45,798 --> 06:56:46,397
and an act, access easement

11877
06:56:46,397 --> 06:56:47,820
that runs across the south,

11878
06:56:47,820 --> 06:56:47,600
portion of the property so

11879
06:56:47,600 --> 06:56:48,130
during the review process, it

11880
06:56:48,130 --> 06:56:48,713
was determined that those

11881
06:56:48,713 --> 06:56:49,306
existing conditions record,

11882
06:56:49,306 --> 06:56:49,897
we're no longer necessary.

11883
06:56:49,897 --> 06:56:50,480
>> And then add

11884
06:56:50,480 --> 06:56:50,971
>> Potential development of

11885
06:56:50,971 --> 06:56:51,795
the site. Was intended to be

11886
06:56:51,795 --> 06:56:52,387
restricted. Am too.

11887
06:56:52,387 --> 06:56:52,809
Potentially some some less

11888
06:56:52,809 --> 06:56:53,416
intensive uses. And that was

11889
06:56:53,416 --> 06:56:53,900
at the suggestion of the

11890
06:56:53,900 --> 06:56:54,394
applicants. That these

11891
06:56:54,394 --> 06:56:54,885
following uses that you see on

11892
06:56:54,885 --> 06:56:55,274
the screen would be prohibited

11893
06:56:55,274 --> 06:56:55,629
with this because reason.

11894
06:56:55,629 --> 06:56:56,810
>> So my men PRESIDENT I'm

11895
06:56:56,810 --> 06:56:56,630
sorry and demand up there. But

11896
06:56:56,630 --> 06:56:56,987
I asked my data center

11897
06:56:56,987 --> 06:56:57,346
question on this property

11898
06:56:57,346 --> 06:56:57,738
currently allowed in. The

11899
06:56:57,738 --> 06:56:58,204
zoning would be allowed in the

11900
06:56:58,204 --> 06:56:58,647
proposed zoning. So

11901
06:56:58,647 --> 06:56:59,124
>> So it would be allowed in

11902
06:56:59,124 --> 06:56:59,616
the light industrial zone

11903
06:56:59,616 --> 06:57:00,234
districts that is post.

11904
06:57:00,234 --> 06:57:00,778
>> Currently, it allowed to.

11905
06:57:00,778 --> 06:57:01,415
Is yes.

11906
06:57:01,415 --> 06:57:01,865
>> And dish just to clarify,

11907
06:57:01,865 --> 06:57:02,427
this is only a zone change

11908
06:57:02,427 --> 06:57:03,100
with land use statements. So

11909
06:57:03,100 --> 06:57:03,580
we have not received any

11910
06:57:03,580 --> 06:57:04,181
development plan applications

11911
06:57:04,181 --> 06:57:04,562
for the site at this time.

11912
06:57:04,562 --> 06:57:05,520
Additional mitigation measures

11913
06:57:05,520 --> 06:57:05,646
would be considered at meeting

11914
06:57:05,646 --> 06:57:06,207
on the intensity of use as we

11915
06:57:06,207 --> 06:57:06,704
proceed with the development

11916
06:57:06,704 --> 06:57:07,282
plan. Review the Unified

11917
06:57:07,282 --> 06:57:07,962
Development Code does include

11918
06:57:07,962 --> 06:57:08,468
landscape buffering

11919
06:57:08,468 --> 06:57:08,980
requirements, parking

11920
06:57:08,980 --> 06:57:09,485
requirements. Lots of

11921
06:57:09,485 --> 06:57:09,871
different design standards

11922
06:57:09,871 --> 06:57:10,284
that could be considered as

11923
06:57:10,284 --> 06:57:10,693
part of that development

11924
06:57:10,693 --> 06:57:11,100
process. So here we have the

11925
06:57:11,100 --> 06:57:11,662
existing homes, some existing

11926
06:57:11,662 --> 06:57:12,460
permitted uses in the business

11927
06:57:12,460 --> 06:57:12,400
parks and distract contrast

11928
06:57:12,400 --> 06:57:12,738
that with some of the

11929
06:57:12,738 --> 06:57:13,214
permitted uses in conditional

11930
06:57:13,214 --> 06:57:13,740
uses allowed a proposed light

11931
06:57:13,740 --> 06:57:14,182
industrial zoning districts.

11932
06:57:14,182 --> 06:57:14,561
And something else to

11933
06:57:14,561 --> 06:57:14,917
highlight is that need current

11934
06:57:14,917 --> 06:57:15,388
business park zoning and there

11935
06:57:15,388 --> 06:57:15,759
are established building

11936
06:57:15,759 --> 06:57:16,152
setbacks for all sides of the

11937
06:57:16,152 --> 06:57:16,578
property. Then the propose

11938
06:57:16,578 --> 06:57:16,895
light industrial zoning

11939
06:57:16,895 --> 06:57:17,256
districts. There's only a

11940
06:57:17,256 --> 06:57:17,547
minimum front setback 20 feet

11941
06:57:17,547 --> 06:57:17,877
and the rest of the building

11942
06:57:17,877 --> 06:57:18,296
setbacks. I would be

11943
06:57:18,296 --> 06:57:18,655
determined by other factors

11944
06:57:18,655 --> 06:57:19,105
such as landscaping, setbacks

11945
06:57:19,105 --> 06:57:19,500
and poking setbacks. There is

11946
06:57:19,500 --> 06:57:19,984
required 100 foot separation

11947
06:57:19,984 --> 06:57:20,411
requirements. I'm from

11948
06:57:20,411 --> 06:57:20,888
residential to development in

11949
06:57:20,888 --> 06:57:21,225
the business Park Zone

11950
06:57:21,225 --> 06:57:21,626
district specifically and that

11951
06:57:21,626 --> 06:57:21,980
you specific standard that

11952
06:57:21,980 --> 06:57:22,303
applies to this is partisan

11953
06:57:22,303 --> 06:57:22,758
districts does not apply the

11954
06:57:22,758 --> 06:57:23,197
proposed light industrial

11955
06:57:23,197 --> 06:57:23,538
zoning district. So that would

11956
06:57:23,538 --> 06:57:23,919
do away with that separation

11957
06:57:23,919 --> 06:57:24,330
requirement. And then there is

11958
06:57:24,330 --> 06:57:24,728
also an increase permissible

11959
06:57:24,728 --> 06:57:25,910
building height from 45 feet

11960
06:57:25,910 --> 06:57:25,387
in the business parks and

11961
06:57:25,387 --> 06:57:25,711
districts to 60 feet in the

11962
06:57:25,711 --> 06:57:26,400
late industrialist district.

11963
06:57:26,400 --> 06:57:26,373
And so this application was

11964
06:57:26,373 --> 06:57:26,788
submitted initially on MARCH

11965
06:57:26,788 --> 06:57:27,119
5th went through 3

11966
06:57:27,119 --> 06:57:27,459
administrative reviews and it

11967
06:57:27,459 --> 06:57:27,826
was ready for the agenda on

11968
06:57:27,826 --> 06:57:28,163
JUNE 12, 2026. It went to City

11969
06:57:28,163 --> 06:57:28,359
Planning Commission JULY 8th

11970
06:57:28,359 --> 06:57:28,647
2026. And it was heard

11971
06:57:28,647 --> 06:57:28,913
Planning Commission did

11972
06:57:28,913 --> 06:57:29,234
recommends approval to city

11973
06:57:29,234 --> 06:57:29,511
council and that was 7 to have

11974
06:57:29,511 --> 06:57:29,822
a recommended approval.

11975
06:57:29,822 --> 06:57:30,135
>> And not during the

11976
06:57:30,135 --> 06:57:30,349
Administrative review. And

11977
06:57:30,349 --> 06:57:30,687
prior to both public hearings.

11978
06:57:30,687 --> 06:57:31,360
>> 264 postcards were sent out

11979
06:57:31,360 --> 06:57:32,963
to properties within 1000 feet

11980
06:57:32,963 --> 06:57:35,363
of the site. Initially 3

11981
06:57:36,900 --> 06:57:39,300
comments are received 2 of

11982
06:57:39,303 --> 06:57:42,400
which were in opposition with

11983
06:57:42,400 --> 06:57:43,975
concerns about potentially

11984
06:57:43,975 --> 06:57:44,543
intense eu says that could be

11985
06:57:44,543 --> 06:57:46,943
allowed in the light

11986
06:57:48,800 --> 06:57:48,780
industrial zoning district.

11987
06:57:48,780 --> 06:57:51,180
There specific concerns about

11988
06:57:54,954 --> 06:57:55,588
higher noise impact. And and

11989
06:57:55,588 --> 06:57:57,588
potential impacts across

11990
06:58:01,428 --> 06:58:02,362
property lines. Additionally,

11991
06:58:02,362 --> 06:58:04,310
there were 2 comments that

11992
06:58:04,310 --> 06:58:05,132
received prior to the City

11993
06:58:05,132 --> 06:58:08,132
Council hearing and that pass

11994
06:58:08,168 --> 06:58:10,204
along to council staff for the

11995
06:58:10,204 --> 06:58:11,105
council members. One was in

11996
06:58:11,105 --> 06:58:13,105
opposition with concerns

11997
06:58:13,274 --> 06:58:15,274
specifically about the

11998
06:58:16,411 --> 06:58:17,312
potential for data center use.

11999
06:58:17,312 --> 06:58:17,913
And then the other was in

12000
06:58:17,913 --> 06:58:20,313
support of the proposed

12001
06:58:25,221 --> 06:58:28,221
projects. U.S. Was evaluated

12002
06:58:30,260 --> 06:58:31,940
by city agencies and there

12003
06:58:31,940 --> 06:58:33,940
were comments identified

12004
06:58:33,960 --> 06:58:34,865
during the review process.

12005
06:58:34,865 --> 06:58:36,660
Additional comments will be

12006
06:58:36,660 --> 06:58:38,466
provided when a development

12007
06:58:41,306 --> 06:58:41,972
submitted city traffic

12008
06:58:41,972 --> 06:58:43,972
engineering also identified

12009
06:58:45,878 --> 06:58:49,748
right at my time find. So you

12010
06:58:49,748 --> 06:58:50,449
got ring. Also identified that

12011
06:58:50,449 --> 06:58:51,149
a trafficked traffic impacts.

12012
06:58:51,149 --> 06:58:53,190
It MAY be question that kind

12013
06:58:53,190 --> 06:58:56,190
of plan if that is

12014
06:59:07,668 --> 06:59:08,369
appropriate. You use. This was

12015
06:59:08,369 --> 06:59:10,769
reviewed for compliance with

12016
06:59:11,573 --> 06:59:12,507
plans to us and the Unified

12017
06:59:12,507 --> 06:59:15,507
Development Code. And this was

12018
06:59:17,413 --> 06:59:18,113
found to be in compliance. All

12019
06:59:18,113 --> 06:59:20,513
applicable plans and guiding

12020
06:59:33,129 --> 06:59:35,129
documents.

12021
06:59:37,968 --> 06:59:39,968
Staff can identify

12022
06:59:41,940 --> 06:59:44,340
any potentially and negative

12023
06:59:45,243 --> 06:59:47,243
impacts surrounding

12024
06:59:47,312 --> 06:59:49,712
properties. As long as

12025
06:59:53,252 --> 06:59:54,687
development plan. Excuse me.

12026
06:59:54,687 --> 06:59:57,523
So the the specific use and

12027
06:59:57,523 --> 06:59:59,392
development will be evaluated.

12028
06:59:59,392 --> 07:00:00,493
Under a future development

12029
07:00:00,493 --> 07:00:02,529
plan application. So we will

12030
07:00:02,529 --> 07:00:04,929
look at things like

12031
07:00:06,467 --> 07:00:07,670
landscaping and access

12032
07:00:07,670 --> 07:00:08,435
building orientation to

12033
07:00:08,435 --> 07:00:09,690
mitigate any of those

12034
07:00:09,690 --> 07:00:11,469
potential impacts to the

12035
07:00:16,211 --> 07:00:17,812
adjacent properties. So after

12036
07:00:17,812 --> 07:00:20,212
a valuation the application,

12037
07:00:26,880 --> 07:00:26,756
it was Oz, review criteria and

12038
07:00:26,756 --> 07:00:28,958
I can add taking questions.

12039
07:00:28,958 --> 07:00:29,659
Johnson, Casey.

12040
07:00:29,659 --> 07:00:32,659
>> Thank you members and you

12041
07:00:33,630 --> 07:00:34,297
can go back to the staff.

12042
07:00:34,297 --> 07:00:37,297
Slide that shows you stuff

12043
07:00:38,350 --> 07:00:41,350
with. Just curious where go.

12044
07:00:44,142 --> 07:00:44,776
Didn't start the fire. Issues

12045
07:00:44,776 --> 07:00:47,111
with this but industrial

12046
07:00:47,111 --> 07:00:47,979
purposes, Parker's of to

12047
07:00:47,979 --> 07:00:49,114
really.

12048
07:00:49,114 --> 07:00:52,500
>> a process for SoFi are

12049
07:00:52,500 --> 07:00:54,954
typically does not review zone

12050
07:00:54,954 --> 07:00:55,654
change applications they

12051
07:00:55,654 --> 07:00:57,654
typically will review

12052
07:01:01,294 --> 07:01:01,994
potential time planted middle.

12053
07:01:01,994 --> 07:01:03,496
>> packages come in. There's

12054
07:01:03,496 --> 07:01:04,697
applicant response to public

12055
07:01:04,697 --> 07:01:07,367
comment. Lot of public. I'm

12056
07:01:07,367 --> 07:01:10,967
about see that in the record.

12057
07:01:11,539 --> 07:01:12,206
In response to public comment.

12058
07:01:12,206 --> 07:01:16,406
It can go to your map, the

12059
07:01:20,515 --> 07:01:21,116
zoning I'm really trying

12060
07:01:21,116 --> 07:01:23,116
struggle without light

12061
07:01:24,860 --> 07:01:24,720
industrial fits in here with.

12062
07:01:24,720 --> 07:01:27,120
Residential run. Next, a

12063
07:01:29,191 --> 07:01:31,994
business exam. So with with

12064
07:01:31,994 --> 07:01:32,695
Laden, with with previous

12065
07:01:32,695 --> 07:01:35,950
business Park, real 100 foot

12066
07:01:35,799 --> 07:01:37,801
setback from that? Our 5,

12067
07:01:37,801 --> 07:01:40,201
housing development to the

12068
07:01:40,704 --> 07:01:41,639
self now going to let we have

12069
07:01:41,639 --> 07:01:44,309
no setback building. Lows will

12070
07:01:44,309 --> 07:01:45,276
be some landscaping. Took back

12071
07:01:45,276 --> 07:01:48,276
and the building heights get

12072
07:01:49,470 --> 07:01:50,549
tolerate 60 Foot vs. Great

12073
07:01:50,549 --> 07:01:52,250
5.45? So so that could have a

12074
07:01:52,250 --> 07:01:54,153
much bigger building

12075
07:01:54,153 --> 07:01:55,253
overlooking their backyards.

12076
07:01:55,253 --> 07:01:56,221
Pretty close to the fence line

12077
07:01:56,221 --> 07:01:56,756
with some minor landscaping or

12078
07:01:56,756 --> 07:01:58,756
whatever landscape,

12079
07:01:59,291 --> 07:02:00,590
developments that

12080
07:02:00,590 --> 07:02:02,459
>> Yes, they could potentially

12081
07:02:03,663 --> 07:02:04,197
have up to a 60 foot building

12082
07:02:04,197 --> 07:02:04,897
height.

12083
07:02:04,897 --> 07:02:07,897
>> And you don't. It doesn't

12084
07:02:08,201 --> 07:02:08,568
have her son, Pax or the other

12085
07:02:08,568 --> 07:02:10,568
criteria.

12086
07:02:10,837 --> 07:02:13,837
>> the applicant will get into

12087
07:02:13,907 --> 07:02:14,608
potential building design more

12088
07:02:14,608 --> 07:02:15,543
but.

12089
07:02:15,543 --> 07:02:17,543
>> given the existing

12090
07:02:19,380 --> 07:02:21,780
configuration of the lot.

12091
07:02:22,217 --> 07:02:22,885
>> There is a significantly

12092
07:02:22,885 --> 07:02:25,287
sized easement on the south

12093
07:02:25,287 --> 07:02:26,354
portion of the property and as

12094
07:02:26,354 --> 07:02:27,230
well as an access easement, a

12095
07:02:27,230 --> 07:02:27,957
private access easement is

12096
07:02:27,957 --> 07:02:28,558
easement that runs across that

12097
07:02:28,558 --> 07:02:30,958
southern portion of the

12098
07:02:33,430 --> 07:02:35,399
property. My understanding the

12099
07:02:35,399 --> 07:02:37,799
applicant intends to retain

12100
07:02:38,268 --> 07:02:41,138
and that as the as the main

12101
07:02:41,138 --> 07:02:41,771
access point, which would not

12102
07:02:41,771 --> 07:02:42,373
really create additional

12103
07:02:42,373 --> 07:02:44,773
buffer to single family

12104
07:02:46,770 --> 07:02:46,744
residential. Additionally.

12105
07:02:46,744 --> 07:02:50,148
>> so I can that again, the

12106
07:02:50,148 --> 07:02:52,148
main access 0,

12107
07:02:52,184 --> 07:02:52,884
>> grows. So there is access

12108
07:02:52,884 --> 07:02:54,486
easement that runs across the

12109
07:02:54,486 --> 07:02:56,886
southern portion of the

12110
07:02:57,356 --> 07:02:59,756
property north of and

12111
07:03:02,495 --> 07:03:04,331
additional easement. So there

12112
07:03:04,331 --> 07:03:05,310
is naturally going to be

12113
07:03:05,310 --> 07:03:07,431
significant buffer created by

12114
07:03:08,235 --> 07:03:08,902
those existing easements. Look

12115
07:03:08,902 --> 07:03:11,302
at the 50 feet significant

12116
07:03:11,472 --> 07:03:13,472
than yourselves. 53.

12117
07:03:22,500 --> 07:03:25,650
>> site for ago. Thank u next

12118
07:03:26,288 --> 07:03:28,490
up. We'll have the applicant.

12119
07:03:28,490 --> 07:03:30,490
Presentation for 15 minutes.

12120
07:03:36,766 --> 07:03:37,968
>> evening.

12121
07:03:37,968 --> 07:03:39,503
>> Last but not least been One

12122
07:03:39,503 --> 07:03:42,503
of the property owners with

12123
07:03:49,130 --> 07:03:51,490
Bacon, Land Holdings, llc

12124
07:03:51,490 --> 07:03:52,984
>> get So I'm gonna skip ahead

12125
07:03:52,984 --> 07:03:54,520
to a couple of things and

12126
07:03:54,520 --> 07:03:54,753
probably get some things are

12127
07:03:54,753 --> 07:03:57,153
more interested discussing is

12128
07:03:57,856 --> 07:03:59,856
the perfect one.

12129
07:04:00,459 --> 07:04:00,860
>> So there's residents up to

12130
07:04:00,860 --> 07:04:02,860
the south.

12131
07:04:04,864 --> 07:04:05,999
>> And there is. And various

12132
07:04:05,999 --> 07:04:07,867
different industrial uses

12133
07:04:07,867 --> 07:04:08,568
every other direction except

12134
07:04:08,568 --> 07:04:09,402
for the retail to the West.

12135
07:04:09,402 --> 07:04:11,705
And that retails kind of the

12136
07:04:11,705 --> 07:04:12,720
service area that retails.

12137
07:04:12,720 --> 07:04:14,720
It's not.

12138
07:04:14,675 --> 07:04:16,777
>> Customer face saying or

12139
07:04:16,777 --> 07:04:18,679
anything and and I think

12140
07:04:18,679 --> 07:04:20,448
what's most interesting about

12141
07:04:20,448 --> 07:04:21,115
this resign as this is

12142
07:04:21,115 --> 07:04:23,115
essentially history repeats

12143
07:04:26,588 --> 07:04:28,230
itself. This was a reasonably

12144
07:04:28,230 --> 07:04:28,657
zone. If you want you to think

12145
07:04:28,657 --> 07:04:31,657
that was depending on the

12146
07:04:32,940 --> 07:04:36,294
parcel is why there's an x in

12147
07:04:37,400 --> 07:04:38,267
2005 that was upsound to you

12148
07:04:38,267 --> 07:04:40,737
to that to zoning remained

12149
07:04:40,737 --> 07:04:41,704
until Believe when the new

12150
07:04:41,704 --> 07:04:45,304
year the sea was put into

12151
07:04:48,245 --> 07:04:49,380
place. So. Historically going

12152
07:04:49,380 --> 07:04:50,281
to light industrial isn't

12153
07:04:50,281 --> 07:04:52,681
necessarily an expansion of

12154
07:04:53,251 --> 07:04:54,585
the historical uses its just

12155
07:04:54,585 --> 07:04:55,253
restoring this. He says, I key

12156
07:04:55,253 --> 07:04:58,253
to and light industrial are

12157
07:04:59,724 --> 07:05:00,425
almost identical.

12158
07:05:00,425 --> 07:05:02,194
>> And when the bp zoning was

12159
07:05:02,194 --> 07:05:05,794
put in place, that was Don.

12160
07:05:06,265 --> 07:05:07,566
>> You know, not buy.

12161
07:05:07,566 --> 07:05:09,602
>> Discussion and the merits

12162
07:05:09,602 --> 07:05:10,503
of that parcel by parcel of it

12163
07:05:10,503 --> 07:05:12,539
was really just done as part

12164
07:05:12,539 --> 07:05:15,408
of the implication, the new

12165
07:05:15,408 --> 07:05:17,311
zoning. So by going back to

12166
07:05:17,311 --> 07:05:17,978
light industrial, actually

12167
07:05:17,978 --> 07:05:20,378
essentially the same zoning

12168
07:05:21,582 --> 07:05:23,982
that was there since 2005

12169
07:05:25,720 --> 07:05:27,689
>> so what we?

12170
07:05:27,689 --> 07:05:29,624
>> You talking about access

12171
07:05:29,624 --> 07:05:31,160
and things there currently is

12172
07:05:31,160 --> 07:05:33,280
a easement on the east side.

12173
07:05:33,280 --> 07:05:35,798
What's shown next to West

12174
07:05:35,798 --> 07:05:37,901
Texas. 3 we share with less

12175
07:05:37,901 --> 07:05:39,802
tech 3 that comes down. And

12176
07:05:39,802 --> 07:05:40,903
then what you can see through

12177
07:05:40,903 --> 07:05:42,439
the trees on the southern

12178
07:05:42,439 --> 07:05:44,708
side, there's an existing road

12179
07:05:44,708 --> 07:05:47,108
there, too. We planned

12180
07:05:47,712 --> 07:05:48,812
utilizes exact roads, improve

12181
07:05:48,812 --> 07:05:50,615
the U.S. That act as the main

12182
07:05:50,615 --> 07:05:53,615
access to reconfigure sight of

12183
07:05:55,200 --> 07:05:56,540
say 3 to 4 parcels.

12184
07:05:56,540 --> 07:05:56,688
>> then

12185
07:05:56,688 --> 07:05:58,790
>> the when we talk about

12186
07:05:58,790 --> 07:06:00,225
building design, looks because

12187
07:06:00,225 --> 07:06:00,960
the residential neighbors,

12188
07:06:00,960 --> 07:06:01,660
that's the first thing that we

12189
07:06:01,660 --> 07:06:05,260
want deal with and make sure

12190
07:06:05,331 --> 07:06:08,931
we're listen to. The way this

12191
07:06:09,502 --> 07:06:10,169
site with layout would be.

12192
07:06:10,169 --> 07:06:10,871
Access to coming down. The

12193
07:06:10,871 --> 07:06:13,871
east side wrapping around on

12194
07:06:14,641 --> 07:06:15,709
the South side. There's a

12195
07:06:15,709 --> 07:06:16,443
storm water ponds that were

12196
07:06:16,443 --> 07:06:18,479
working through the details of

12197
07:06:18,479 --> 07:06:20,515
that would axe lie in the

12198
07:06:20,515 --> 07:06:23,284
South side there, too. Then

12199
07:06:23,284 --> 07:06:24,185
you would have parking and

12200
07:06:24,185 --> 07:06:24,919
we've agreed to have the

12201
07:06:24,919 --> 07:06:27,588
orientation of any building so

12202
07:06:27,588 --> 07:06:29,124
that the it. Let's say, from

12203
07:06:29,124 --> 07:06:32,724
south to north, it is access

12204
07:06:33,161 --> 07:06:35,364
and storm water, then customer

12205
07:06:35,364 --> 07:06:37,634
parking. Then the building.

12206
07:06:37,634 --> 07:06:40,536
And then if there's an outdoor

12207
07:06:40,536 --> 07:06:42,105
are yar component to it to be

12208
07:06:42,105 --> 07:06:42,772
on the north side so that the

12209
07:06:42,772 --> 07:06:45,172
building the parking access

12210
07:06:45,742 --> 07:06:49,179
all acts as a buffer. To

12211
07:06:49,179 --> 07:06:51,579
mitigate. Any negative impacts

12212
07:06:56,200 --> 07:06:56,688
as residences. Sea. Some of

12213
07:06:56,688 --> 07:06:57,389
the things we've done with.

12214
07:06:57,389 --> 07:06:58,890
From the perspective, we got

12215
07:06:58,890 --> 07:07:02,889
rid of a lot of the uses that

12216
07:07:03,428 --> 07:07:06,499
we felt that Dan Fit there you

12217
07:07:06,499 --> 07:07:07,166
know, for odor for noise, the

12218
07:07:07,166 --> 07:07:09,100
buildings and the way that

12219
07:07:09,100 --> 07:07:12,100
we're planning now, this site

12220
07:07:15,809 --> 07:07:16,476
oriented. Helps noise with

12221
07:07:16,476 --> 07:07:17,544
dust. It's it acts those

12222
07:07:17,544 --> 07:07:19,112
buildings themselves act as a

12223
07:07:19,112 --> 07:07:19,713
buffer on top of that distance

12224
07:07:19,713 --> 07:07:22,113
created by the various

12225
07:07:24,850 --> 07:07:24,419
functions on the South side.

12226
07:07:24,419 --> 07:07:26,419
>> and

12227
07:07:26,921 --> 07:07:28,289
>> then this is just a quick

12228
07:07:28,289 --> 07:07:29,900
snapshot of of within business

12229
07:07:29,900 --> 07:07:29,924
Park. Business parking light

12230
07:07:29,924 --> 07:07:30,492
industrial. The breath.

12231
07:07:30,492 --> 07:07:32,892
Obviously part of the

12232
07:07:34,262 --> 07:07:35,330
industrial umbrella. And

12233
07:07:35,330 --> 07:07:37,320
within the zoning what I try

12234
07:07:37,320 --> 07:07:40,320
to do here on the.

12235
07:07:41,971 --> 07:07:44,971
>> The section with the Green.

12236
07:07:47,377 --> 07:07:48,780
Everything that term on

12237
07:07:48,780 --> 07:07:49,446
>> that is the list of

12238
07:07:49,446 --> 07:07:52,446
everything that can be done

12239
07:07:52,883 --> 07:07:55,283
right now. Business Park

12240
07:07:56,687 --> 07:07:58,890
versus light. So anything in

12241
07:07:58,890 --> 07:07:59,657
green requires an additional

12242
07:07:59,657 --> 07:08:00,358
development standards to come

12243
07:08:00,358 --> 07:08:00,925
and actually have a safe. And

12244
07:08:00,925 --> 07:08:02,828
so there's additional

12245
07:08:02,828 --> 07:08:04,828
mitigation this.

12246
07:08:06,198 --> 07:08:08,968
>> Required by the code. If

12247
07:08:08,968 --> 07:08:10,690
you take all those green ones

12248
07:08:10,690 --> 07:08:10,769
that have that extra stop and

12249
07:08:10,769 --> 07:08:11,470
eliminate, does your left at

12250
07:08:11,470 --> 07:08:12,972
the top right? Which is where

12251
07:08:12,972 --> 07:08:14,972
Scott, the blue.

12252
07:08:20,881 --> 07:08:21,615
>> The blue actually.

12253
07:08:21,615 --> 07:08:25,180
>> Sorry, I it's been a minute

12254
07:08:25,180 --> 07:08:25,720
since saw this. But so let me

12255
07:08:25,720 --> 07:08:28,256
back up the green. The green

12256
07:08:28,256 --> 07:08:30,256
is conditional uses.

12257
07:08:31,590 --> 07:08:32,600
>> So those are all within the

12258
07:08:32,600 --> 07:08:32,661
light industrial. Those are

12259
07:08:32,661 --> 07:08:33,328
uses that obviously are

12260
07:08:33,328 --> 07:08:34,529
conditional. When you read

12261
07:08:34,529 --> 07:08:37,466
conditional uses your left at

12262
07:08:37,466 --> 07:08:38,567
the to operate with the blue.

12263
07:08:38,567 --> 07:08:39,167
Those are the ones where those

12264
07:08:39,167 --> 07:08:41,167
additional development

12265
07:08:42,504 --> 07:08:43,205
standards come into play. So

12266
07:08:43,205 --> 07:08:43,873
that's additional mitigation

12267
07:08:43,873 --> 07:08:46,576
to get those uses that then

12268
07:08:46,576 --> 07:08:48,545
the bottom right is what's

12269
07:08:48,545 --> 07:08:49,646
left when you simply remove

12270
07:08:49,646 --> 07:08:51,715
all those additional things.

12271
07:08:51,715 --> 07:08:52,783
What is allowed by, right?

12272
07:08:52,783 --> 07:08:53,417
That MAY not be allowed in. Bp

12273
07:08:53,417 --> 07:08:57,170
puts a lot of my industry

12274
07:08:57,621 --> 07:08:58,188
becomes those uses mere what

12275
07:08:58,188 --> 07:09:00,188
essentially psp 2 was

12276
07:09:00,424 --> 07:09:02,424
historically.

12277
07:09:06,265 --> 07:09:06,899
>> COUNCILMAN Casey.

12278
07:09:06,899 --> 07:09:07,533
>> could back to it. So I

12279
07:09:07,533 --> 07:09:08,233
understand the uses that

12280
07:09:08,233 --> 07:09:11,233
you're taking out that you're

12281
07:09:11,771 --> 07:09:14,771
not considering that what you

12282
07:09:14,907 --> 07:09:15,941
need light industrial forward.

12283
07:09:15,941 --> 07:09:16,642
What proposed use is juicy and

12284
07:09:16,642 --> 07:09:17,377
light industrial that are not

12285
07:09:17,377 --> 07:09:19,112
are a lot bp or something like

12286
07:09:19,112 --> 07:09:19,847
a mix that.

12287
07:09:19,847 --> 07:09:22,247
>> Yeah, that's good question.

12288
07:09:23,417 --> 07:09:24,818
So

12289
07:09:24,818 --> 07:09:25,586
>> the biggest difference,

12290
07:09:25,586 --> 07:09:27,421
there's some hesitation in the

12291
07:09:27,421 --> 07:09:29,623
market and many of these where

12292
07:09:29,623 --> 07:09:30,558
its business part and light

12293
07:09:30,558 --> 07:09:32,493
industrial, they prefer to see

12294
07:09:32,493 --> 07:09:33,395
light. So there's a lot of

12295
07:09:33,395 --> 07:09:35,530
groups that want even proceed

12296
07:09:35,530 --> 07:09:36,231
because there's some gray area

12297
07:09:36,231 --> 07:09:36,932
in the late show. There's not

12298
07:09:36,932 --> 07:09:39,932
obviously that many uses the

12299
07:09:40,100 --> 07:09:40,870
ones that are important to us

12300
07:09:40,870 --> 07:09:42,370
are.

12301
07:09:42,370 --> 07:09:44,437
>> There is heavy equipment

12302
07:09:46,142 --> 07:09:47,944
sales and construction sales

12303
07:09:47,944 --> 07:09:48,611
and services. And the

12304
07:09:48,611 --> 07:09:49,312
previously there used to be

12305
07:09:49,312 --> 07:09:50,130
contracted. You are there was

12306
07:09:50,130 --> 07:09:50,781
some different definitions of

12307
07:09:50,781 --> 07:09:53,181
that with throughout their

12308
07:09:53,317 --> 07:09:54,180
it's slightly changed here.

12309
07:09:54,180 --> 07:09:57,180
Those capture those uses. But

12310
07:09:58,455 --> 07:10:00,425
it's basically. You know. But

12311
07:10:00,425 --> 07:10:02,694
we're trying to provide is

12312
07:10:02,694 --> 07:10:05,940
theirs service businesses that

12313
07:10:05,163 --> 07:10:05,864
need to supply the city. This

12314
07:10:05,864 --> 07:10:08,864
is a central located location

12315
07:10:09,680 --> 07:10:09,802
within a business park. And if

12316
07:10:09,802 --> 07:10:10,503
designed this and come forward

12317
07:10:10,503 --> 07:10:14,103
to the site plan doctors and

12318
07:10:14,707 --> 07:10:15,175
the neighbors to the south of

12319
07:10:15,175 --> 07:10:17,175
the residents.

12320
07:10:18,177 --> 07:10:19,946
>> That

12321
07:10:19,946 --> 07:10:22,549
>> we would like to be able to

12322
07:10:22,549 --> 07:10:23,450
have some. You know, try to

12323
07:10:23,450 --> 07:10:24,510
read right here, but the

12324
07:10:24,510 --> 07:10:25,486
construction sales and

12325
07:10:25,486 --> 07:10:26,854
service, for example, those

12326
07:10:26,854 --> 07:10:28,623
ones that aren't allowed in

12327
07:10:28,623 --> 07:10:30,124
business Park. And that is a

12328
07:10:30,124 --> 07:10:31,793
category think with a lot of

12329
07:10:31,793 --> 07:10:32,527
the users would fall into that

12330
07:10:32,527 --> 07:10:36,127
would be perfect uses for that

12331
07:10:36,764 --> 07:10:37,866
site.

12332
07:10:37,866 --> 07:10:39,340
>> It just seems like

12333
07:10:39,340 --> 07:10:40,268
something like heavy vehicle

12334
07:10:40,268 --> 07:10:40,936
and couldn't repair would be

12335
07:10:40,936 --> 07:10:41,637
noisy and going back to the

12336
07:10:41,637 --> 07:10:44,473
public comment. That was one

12337
07:10:44,473 --> 07:10:45,374
of the concerns that the or is

12338
07:10:45,374 --> 07:10:45,975
this I would create versus a

12339
07:10:45,975 --> 07:10:48,375
business park which is

12340
07:10:48,979 --> 07:10:50,914
intentionally kind of designed

12341
07:10:50,914 --> 07:10:51,515
to be later terms was impacts.

12342
07:10:51,515 --> 07:10:54,515
Speak to that all that

12343
07:10:57,287 --> 07:10:58,220
matters. You have. You have

12344
07:10:58,220 --> 07:10:59,156
interest to companies that are

12345
07:10:59,156 --> 07:11:00,491
interested in doing this or

12346
07:11:00,491 --> 07:11:01,159
this rezoning to position

12347
07:11:01,159 --> 07:11:01,826
yourself to be available to

12348
07:11:01,826 --> 07:11:05,630
them or where we had in the

12349
07:11:05,630 --> 07:11:07,630
process.

12350
07:11:08,667 --> 07:11:10,602
>> So right now we don't have

12351
07:11:10,602 --> 07:11:11,537
anybody identify specifically

12352
07:11:11,537 --> 07:11:12,704
a lot of There is some

12353
07:11:12,704 --> 07:11:13,406
hesitancy with the business

12354
07:11:13,406 --> 07:11:14,106
park zoning. So it's hard to

12355
07:11:14,106 --> 07:11:15,775
even go out there and do that

12356
07:11:15,775 --> 07:11:17,910
without this being in place,

12357
07:11:17,910 --> 07:11:19,713
which is I think part of the

12358
07:11:19,713 --> 07:11:20,380
reason they went up to 4. But

12359
07:11:20,380 --> 07:11:22,983
now we're trying to do that

12360
07:11:22,983 --> 07:11:25,952
again. I think. Term member

12361
07:11:25,952 --> 07:11:27,354
first questions are.

12362
07:11:27,354 --> 07:11:29,560
>> I guess I'm just looking

12363
07:11:29,560 --> 07:11:29,824
heavy vehicle equipment repair

12364
07:11:29,824 --> 07:11:30,524
options like it would be

12365
07:11:30,524 --> 07:11:34,724
noisy. And you put it on top

12366
07:11:34,896 --> 07:11:37,896
of a residential that again

12367
07:11:38,500 --> 07:11:39,167
going into my second part will

12368
07:11:39,167 --> 07:11:40,368
This is Parker All-rounders

12369
07:11:40,368 --> 07:11:40,636
seems to be developed as bp.

12370
07:11:40,636 --> 07:11:42,636
So.

12371
07:11:43,472 --> 07:11:44,730
>> I'm not sure quite. Why you

12372
07:11:44,730 --> 07:11:46,809
think this would not be

12373
07:11:46,809 --> 07:11:48,809
developed.

12374
07:11:49,579 --> 07:11:52,579
>> So there's a couple things

12375
07:11:56,820 --> 07:11:58,389
On the. Heavy equipment use.

12376
07:11:58,389 --> 07:11:59,890
So there's there's a there's a

12377
07:11:59,890 --> 07:12:02,890
unique list of things. There

12378
07:12:03,270 --> 07:12:03,627
are a lot bp. One of those

12379
07:12:03,627 --> 07:12:04,328
>> truck terminal, for

12380
07:12:04,328 --> 07:12:04,996
example. She could have

12381
07:12:04,996 --> 07:12:05,997
there's a truck terminal

12382
07:12:05,997 --> 07:12:06,631
actually to immediately north

12383
07:12:06,631 --> 07:12:09,534
of So you can have truck

12384
07:12:09,534 --> 07:12:10,402
traffic right now coming in

12385
07:12:10,402 --> 07:12:13,710
and out for truck terminal.

12386
07:12:13,710 --> 07:12:14,206
Our warehousing are things so

12387
07:12:14,206 --> 07:12:15,141
I don't know. That is

12388
07:12:15,141 --> 07:12:17,141
significant different. We

12389
07:12:18,770 --> 07:12:19,178
don't have a heavy equipment

12390
07:12:19,178 --> 07:12:20,980
user identified sales and

12391
07:12:20,980 --> 07:12:21,815
rental is something that I

12392
07:12:21,815 --> 07:12:22,415
think there might be to

12393
07:12:22,415 --> 07:12:24,815
insult. There's lack of

12394
07:12:26,186 --> 07:12:29,156
visibility. So we'll see. But

12395
07:12:29,156 --> 07:12:30,124
>> I there's other uses within

12396
07:12:30,124 --> 07:12:30,857
business part that I think

12397
07:12:30,857 --> 07:12:31,525
introduce the sound. The same

12398
07:12:31,525 --> 07:12:33,925
tax earns potentially about

12399
07:12:39,233 --> 07:12:42,170
sound. Going back to this site

12400
07:12:42,170 --> 07:12:43,305
being developed, more business

12401
07:12:43,305 --> 07:12:46,308
part. So this site in the 60's

12402
07:12:46,308 --> 07:12:46,909
was part of that. Open pit

12403
07:12:46,909 --> 07:12:49,111
mine by City, Colorado

12404
07:12:49,111 --> 07:12:50,746
Springs. They would.

12405
07:12:50,746 --> 07:12:52,746
>> executed

12406
07:12:52,848 --> 07:12:54,848
>> it out.

12407
07:12:56,987 --> 07:12:57,688
>> and Turner, then.

12408
07:12:57,688 --> 07:12:59,255
>> I'm trying remember the So

12409
07:12:59,255 --> 07:13:01,655
they excavated. They took.

12410
07:13:01,658 --> 07:13:04,580
>> When they backfill that

12411
07:13:04,528 --> 07:13:07,598
they use flash material from a

12412
07:13:07,598 --> 07:13:08,399
Fire plant in Colorado Springs

12413
07:13:08,399 --> 07:13:09,134
and backfill this site. So one

12414
07:13:09,134 --> 07:13:10,935
of the neighboring size has 30

12415
07:13:10,935 --> 07:13:12,935
foot to us.

12416
07:13:13,138 --> 07:13:14,306
>> 45 foot layers of this

12417
07:13:14,306 --> 07:13:16,706
flash. The flash doesn't

12418
07:13:17,509 --> 07:13:18,210
support buildings. So in a

12419
07:13:18,210 --> 07:13:20,460
similar to some of the other

12420
07:13:20,460 --> 07:13:24,246
ones you see to the east. They

12421
07:13:24,517 --> 07:13:25,552
have more building. Relative

12422
07:13:25,552 --> 07:13:26,519
to the size of site that we

12423
07:13:26,519 --> 07:13:27,654
would propose a lot because we

12424
07:13:27,654 --> 07:13:30,123
don't have the Bering capacity

12425
07:13:30,123 --> 07:13:30,790
of the soils because of the

12426
07:13:30,790 --> 07:13:31,492
historic you. So we spent a

12427
07:13:31,492 --> 07:13:34,610
lot of time with consults to

12428
07:13:34,610 --> 07:13:34,963
go through and try it.

12429
07:13:34,963 --> 07:13:35,663
Identify where these were in

12430
07:13:35,663 --> 07:13:37,663
environmental concerns. Make

12431
07:13:38,733 --> 07:13:39,400
sure we're covered there.

12432
07:13:39,400 --> 07:13:40,135
>> But it is a reality that

12433
07:13:40,135 --> 07:13:40,802
have to deal with and said the

12434
07:13:40,802 --> 07:13:43,802
soils don't allow for that.

12435
07:13:45,140 --> 07:13:47,900
So. Over time this site has

12436
07:13:47,900 --> 07:13:47,743
become a nuisance. We've met

12437
07:13:47,743 --> 07:13:49,312
with the police department out

12438
07:13:49,312 --> 07:13:51,180
there multiple times. We've

12439
07:13:51,180 --> 07:13:51,881
got homeless encampments as up

12440
07:13:51,881 --> 07:13:52,582
there yesterday. We're doing

12441
07:13:52,582 --> 07:13:55,619
our best to manage top of the

12442
07:13:55,619 --> 07:13:56,286
only way we see that being

12443
07:13:56,286 --> 07:13:57,653
mitigate is development of

12444
07:13:57,653 --> 07:14:00,653
this site. And so. Currently

12445
07:14:02,793 --> 07:14:04,529
we have. Probably quarterly.

12446
07:14:04,529 --> 07:14:08,129
We have groups going to clean

12447
07:14:08,599 --> 07:14:09,300
out the site. We've got.

12448
07:14:09,300 --> 07:14:11,236
Homeless encampments a pop up

12449
07:14:11,236 --> 07:14:11,970
again and they're mostly

12450
07:14:11,970 --> 07:14:13,438
positioned along that southern

12451
07:14:13,438 --> 07:14:14,390
property with industries

12452
07:14:14,390 --> 07:14:16,439
backing up against the

12453
07:14:18,100 --> 07:14:18,878
neighbors. And so a lot of the

12454
07:14:18,878 --> 07:14:20,346
reason and I don't know for

12455
07:14:20,346 --> 07:14:22,181
sure the history of why some

12456
07:14:22,181 --> 07:14:25,181
of the previous partisan ago

12457
07:14:25,351 --> 07:14:27,187
Fort that MAY be a component

12458
07:14:27,187 --> 07:14:29,189
is this lack of the soils that

12459
07:14:29,189 --> 07:14:30,230
allow for that? So we're

12460
07:14:30,230 --> 07:14:33,230
trying to find productive use.

12461
07:14:37,980 --> 07:14:38,199
But this land into Mitigates

12462
07:14:38,199 --> 07:14:38,933
the concerns from his

12463
07:14:38,933 --> 07:14:42,103
neighbors to the south. By the

12464
07:14:42,103 --> 07:14:42,904
way, the site's laid out. But

12465
07:14:42,904 --> 07:14:44,540
outdoor storage is allowed

12466
07:14:44,540 --> 07:14:46,940
within business. Part. We're

12467
07:14:47,809 --> 07:14:48,510
only. Trying to get a little

12468
07:14:48,510 --> 07:14:49,945
bit more clarity to the uses

12469
07:14:49,945 --> 07:14:52,345
of me a lot.

12470
07:14:56,860 --> 07:14:57,860
>> Look at section 7.2 for one

12471
07:14:57,860 --> 07:14:58,722
business park and talks about

12472
07:14:58,722 --> 07:14:59,389
use a suitable for business

12473
07:14:59,389 --> 07:15:01,789
and districts of operations

12474
07:15:01,825 --> 07:15:03,270
that are quiet and clean to

12475
07:15:03,270 --> 07:15:03,861
ensure the creation and

12476
07:15:03,861 --> 07:15:05,596
maintenance of an

12477
07:15:05,596 --> 07:15:06,330
environmental protect the

12478
07:15:06,330 --> 07:15:07,198
occupants of the business park

12479
07:15:07,198 --> 07:15:09,801
from wanted traffic noise and

12480
07:15:09,801 --> 07:15:10,968
performance of bison. Just

12481
07:15:10,968 --> 07:15:11,569
seems like a lot of those

12482
07:15:11,569 --> 07:15:13,569
commercial uses. You're

12483
07:15:13,571 --> 07:15:14,272
looking at But it does trail

12484
07:15:14,272 --> 07:15:17,272
vehicle heavier are going to

12485
07:15:18,430 --> 07:15:18,877
be noisy and, you know,

12486
07:15:18,877 --> 07:15:20,479
potentially dusty and things

12487
07:15:20,479 --> 07:15:21,790
like that as well. So that my

12488
07:15:21,790 --> 07:15:22,515
concern. That to be the

12489
07:15:22,515 --> 07:15:24,784
concern of the neighboring

12490
07:15:24,784 --> 07:15:25,485
comments are present as well.

12491
07:15:25,485 --> 07:15:26,119
If you have any response to

12492
07:15:26,119 --> 07:15:29,119
that. But that's well as

12493
07:15:31,424 --> 07:15:33,327
commercial banks.

12494
07:15:33,327 --> 07:15:34,328
>> I mean, I don't totally

12495
07:15:34,328 --> 07:15:35,610
understand as a night have

12496
07:15:35,610 --> 07:15:38,610
that conversation. Some of the

12497
07:15:38,733 --> 07:15:40,868
neighbors about that. The one

12498
07:15:40,868 --> 07:15:41,536
>> public comment that came

12499
07:15:41,536 --> 07:15:42,136
through for concerns about

12500
07:15:42,136 --> 07:15:42,837
introducing uses to the

12501
07:15:42,837 --> 07:15:44,339
neighborhood and things that

12502
07:15:44,339 --> 07:15:46,208
was actually the person

12503
07:15:46,208 --> 07:15:47,275
upsound it to be a key to

12504
07:15:47,275 --> 07:15:50,275
prior. He's to be former

12505
07:15:50,446 --> 07:15:54,216
owner. This and so that was a

12506
07:15:54,216 --> 07:15:55,217
little surprising to me. But

12507
07:15:55,217 --> 07:15:55,952
the rest of the neighbors,

12508
07:15:55,952 --> 07:15:58,822
particularly ones that back up

12509
07:15:58,822 --> 07:15:59,823
to this site. We've had

12510
07:15:59,823 --> 07:16:02,823
conversations and try to try

12511
07:16:03,326 --> 07:16:03,994
to discuss with them. I didn't

12512
07:16:03,994 --> 07:16:06,797
have any nasa feedback from

12513
07:16:06,797 --> 07:16:07,431
anybody. Only just the things

12514
07:16:07,431 --> 07:16:10,670
that I've seen from other

12515
07:16:10,670 --> 07:16:12,670
comment. Those minute.

12516
07:16:13,370 --> 07:16:15,370
>> COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

12517
07:16:17,309 --> 07:16:18,900
>> Yemen, PRESIDENT And

12518
07:16:18,900 --> 07:16:19,477
>> For those here on council,

12519
07:16:19,477 --> 07:16:21,913
this is page. This is from

12520
07:16:21,913 --> 07:16:22,581
Page 7, 18 7.19. But it is a

12521
07:16:22,581 --> 07:16:25,581
neighbor who maybe this is

12522
07:16:27,787 --> 07:16:29,489
what you're referring to lists

12523
07:16:29,489 --> 07:16:29,667
off concerns.

12524
07:16:29,667 --> 07:16:31,958
>> One is the roadways with

12525
07:16:31,958 --> 07:16:32,559
the intensity of use, the some

12526
07:16:32,559 --> 07:16:33,259
of the things would be

12527
07:16:33,259 --> 07:16:35,659
permitted. He's worried about

12528
07:16:37,164 --> 07:16:38,699
that. Noise, visual and

12529
07:16:38,699 --> 07:16:40,901
operational impacts uses such

12530
07:16:40,901 --> 07:16:41,635
as heavy equipment repair and

12531
07:16:41,635 --> 07:16:42,837
construction related services.

12532
07:16:42,837 --> 07:16:44,638
Often all the outdoor storage,

12533
07:16:44,638 --> 07:16:45,239
large machinery, Senate

12534
07:16:45,239 --> 07:16:47,239
operating hours. These

12535
07:16:47,708 --> 07:16:48,444
conditions are inconsistent

12536
07:16:48,444 --> 07:16:49,770
with a quieter more controlled

12537
07:16:49,770 --> 07:16:51,770
business park environment

12538
07:16:52,130 --> 07:16:53,140
would negatively impact nearby

12539
07:16:53,140 --> 07:16:54,160
properties and then

12540
07:16:54,160 --> 07:16:56,160
degradation the area

12541
07:16:56,510 --> 07:16:56,653
character. The Business Park

12542
07:16:56,653 --> 07:16:57,987
designation reflects a

12543
07:16:57,987 --> 07:16:58,687
higher-end professional

12544
07:16:58,687 --> 07:17:00,687
development standard allowing

12545
07:17:02,392 --> 07:17:03,927
uses such as major vehicle

12546
07:17:03,927 --> 07:17:04,594
repair and heavy equipment

12547
07:17:04,594 --> 07:17:05,996
operations would materially

12548
07:17:05,996 --> 07:17:08,996
alter the character of the

12549
07:17:09,166 --> 07:17:09,800
area. Introducing

12550
07:17:09,800 --> 07:17:10,401
industrialist attics and

12551
07:17:10,401 --> 07:17:11,102
activities that are not

12552
07:17:11,102 --> 07:17:13,502
compatible with the existing

12553
07:17:14,338 --> 07:17:15,139
vision. And then they go on to

12554
07:17:15,139 --> 07:17:18,739
talk about how that's going to

12555
07:17:20,946 --> 07:17:23,715
impact or property values. You

12556
07:17:23,715 --> 07:17:24,350
know, they finish for these

12557
07:17:24,350 --> 07:17:24,984
reasons that respectfully

12558
07:17:24,984 --> 07:17:27,984
request that we deny the

12559
07:17:28,754 --> 07:17:29,955
rezoning. The existing

12560
07:17:29,955 --> 07:17:32,291
business park zoning allows

12561
07:17:32,291 --> 07:17:34,261
for significant responsible

12562
07:17:34,261 --> 07:17:36,661
permitted industrial uses. And

12563
07:17:36,930 --> 07:17:40,530
they feel like this is going

12564
07:17:40,868 --> 07:17:43,868
to change the character of

12565
07:17:47,375 --> 07:17:50,375
What is your response to

12566
07:17:50,378 --> 07:17:53,415
>> So that is the one he

12567
07:17:53,415 --> 07:17:54,250
development they have is

12568
07:17:54,250 --> 07:17:54,917
beautiful development and

12569
07:17:54,917 --> 07:17:55,484
really glad it happened has

12570
07:17:55,484 --> 07:17:56,184
never a very good job

12571
07:17:56,184 --> 07:17:58,354
maintaining if you drive by.

12572
07:17:58,354 --> 07:17:59,188
It's it's it's very

12573
07:17:59,188 --> 07:18:01,588
professionally done. So I'm

12574
07:18:03,193 --> 07:18:04,260
very glad that they're the

12575
07:18:04,260 --> 07:18:05,929
neighbor.

12576
07:18:05,929 --> 07:18:08,329
>> they came forward in 2000

12577
07:18:09,867 --> 07:18:12,267
made in 2000. 3 that came

12578
07:18:12,370 --> 07:18:13,403
forward with a plan that does

12579
07:18:13,403 --> 07:18:15,403
exactly essentially eerily

12580
07:18:15,639 --> 07:18:17,709
close to what we intend to

12581
07:18:17,709 --> 07:18:19,277
They had sites laid out with

12582
07:18:19,277 --> 07:18:19,977
access on the South Billings

12583
07:18:19,977 --> 07:18:20,612
oriented on the south and to

12584
07:18:20,612 --> 07:18:22,247
the site and yards to the

12585
07:18:22,247 --> 07:18:24,247
North.

12586
07:18:24,383 --> 07:18:26,783
>> And they their reasoning.

12587
07:18:27,353 --> 07:18:29,622
As I understand it when they

12588
07:18:29,622 --> 07:18:32,592
then came back in 2005 and up

12589
07:18:32,592 --> 07:18:33,292
sound from Gap. You want you

12590
07:18:33,292 --> 07:18:33,994
to introduce these exact same

12591
07:18:33,994 --> 07:18:35,729
things that we're looking for

12592
07:18:35,729 --> 07:18:36,129
at the time they were

12593
07:18:36,129 --> 07:18:38,129
considered.

12594
07:18:38,665 --> 07:18:39,800
>> Construction and or

12595
07:18:39,800 --> 07:18:41,135
contractor yards, construction

12596
07:18:41,135 --> 07:18:43,937
sales and well, sorry us. A

12597
07:18:43,937 --> 07:18:44,905
new one construction indoor

12598
07:18:44,905 --> 07:18:46,106
contractor yards was

12599
07:18:46,106 --> 07:18:47,410
introduced by the by the

12600
07:18:47,410 --> 07:18:49,441
rezone and vehicle automotive

12601
07:18:50,110 --> 07:18:50,644
repair garage. Major.

12602
07:18:50,644 --> 07:18:53,440
>> Was introduced by that

12603
07:18:54,382 --> 07:18:54,749
reason to happy to.

12604
07:18:54,749 --> 07:18:56,749
>> Those.

12605
07:18:58,320 --> 07:18:59,722
>> We're all by that same

12606
07:18:59,722 --> 07:19:01,624
public comment is the prior

12607
07:19:01,624 --> 07:19:04,624
owner of this specific parcel

12608
07:19:05,295 --> 07:19:07,597
site plan isn't extended.

12609
07:19:07,597 --> 07:19:08,365
>> Again in 2010, when the

12610
07:19:08,365 --> 07:19:09,320
weather would have otherwise

12611
07:19:09,320 --> 07:19:12,320
expire to 2014 by that same

12612
07:19:12,736 --> 07:19:14,672
group. So it's just a bit

12613
07:19:14,672 --> 07:19:16,374
surprised by that because this

12614
07:19:16,374 --> 07:19:17,108
was their original plan to

12615
07:19:17,108 --> 07:19:20,708
win. They also on the property

12616
07:19:21,146 --> 07:19:21,880
to the East.

12617
07:19:21,880 --> 07:19:24,880
>> You're surprised by it, but

12618
07:19:29,722 --> 07:19:32,722
how do Factually respond the

12619
07:19:32,725 --> 07:19:35,125
roads will be fined.

12620
07:19:37,664 --> 07:19:38,531
>> Yeah, So I think.

12621
07:19:38,531 --> 07:19:42,131
>> The what we did do wish

12622
07:19:42,469 --> 07:19:43,170
some of the it completely

12623
07:19:43,170 --> 07:19:43,904
agree with that they hot and

12624
07:19:43,904 --> 07:19:47,208
we really try to be thoughtful

12625
07:19:47,208 --> 07:19:48,176
about, you know, I don't have

12626
07:19:48,176 --> 07:19:49,310
in front of me, but I think

12627
07:19:49,310 --> 07:19:51,245
there were some comments about

12628
07:19:51,245 --> 07:19:52,247
some of those uses marijuana

12629
07:19:52,247 --> 07:19:55,247
related things like that. I

12630
07:19:55,383 --> 07:19:56,840
totally agree has to. And so

12631
07:19:56,840 --> 07:19:58,484
>> we actually adjusted some

12632
07:19:58,754 --> 07:20:00,289
of that.

12633
07:20:00,289 --> 07:20:01,230
>> Prior to going to planning

12634
07:20:01,230 --> 07:20:04,230
commission to account for some

12635
07:20:04,760 --> 07:20:07,760
of those, whether it's noise,

12636
07:20:07,931 --> 07:20:09,232
dirt, dust, there's certain

12637
07:20:09,232 --> 07:20:11,902
things for dust in particular.

12638
07:20:11,902 --> 07:20:12,636
We don't have a specific site

12639
07:20:12,636 --> 07:20:14,604
plan yet, but when we do,

12640
07:20:14,604 --> 07:20:16,473
we're looking at different

12641
07:20:16,473 --> 07:20:17,408
materials. That would be a

12642
07:20:17,408 --> 07:20:18,750
component. I think that the

12643
07:20:18,750 --> 07:20:20,475
development plan stage that

12644
07:20:21,378 --> 07:20:22,460
instead of having speaker

12645
07:20:22,460 --> 07:20:22,781
aided by a yard that we can

12646
07:20:22,781 --> 07:20:25,750
use different products on top

12647
07:20:25,750 --> 07:20:26,784
of that to eliminate concern

12648
07:20:26,784 --> 07:20:29,788
and have the ability to come

12649
07:20:29,788 --> 07:20:30,656
forward in front of the

12650
07:20:30,656 --> 07:20:31,890
planning department and

12651
07:20:31,890 --> 07:20:32,624
propose what those things are

12652
07:20:32,624 --> 07:20:33,626
dita out in Clea mitigate some

12653
07:20:33,626 --> 07:20:35,694
of the other concerns that

12654
07:20:35,694 --> 07:20:37,263
they I think from a traffic

12655
07:20:37,263 --> 07:20:39,198
perspective, this is an

12656
07:20:39,198 --> 07:20:41,434
industrial area. It's a closed

12657
07:20:41,434 --> 07:20:42,602
loop. All industrial traffic

12658
07:20:42,602 --> 07:20:43,336
and business. There's some

12659
07:20:43,336 --> 07:20:46,936
flex properties to the ones to

12660
07:20:47,741 --> 07:20:48,342
the East. But there is

12661
07:20:48,342 --> 07:20:50,342
distribution warehouse.

12662
07:20:51,779 --> 07:20:54,682
There's a truck terminal. I

12663
07:20:54,682 --> 07:20:55,383
don't see the character of

12664
07:20:55,383 --> 07:20:56,117
traffic being generated by a

12665
07:20:56,117 --> 07:20:58,517
project here being any

12666
07:20:58,787 --> 07:21:00,550
different than the existing

12667
07:21:00,550 --> 07:21:03,655
traffic patterns and use of an

12668
07:21:05,461 --> 07:21:08,461
types of traffic. The unc.

12669
07:21:08,798 --> 07:21:09,498
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

12670
07:21:09,498 --> 07:21:13,980
And I see other questions at

12671
07:21:14,237 --> 07:21:15,639
this time. Moving on to public

12672
07:21:15,639 --> 07:21:16,406
comment. We have no one signed

12673
07:21:16,406 --> 07:21:20,606
up in support and we have no

12674
07:21:20,744 --> 07:21:23,744
one signed in opposition. No

12675
07:21:24,982 --> 07:21:28,520
rebuttal. Of the back to the

12676
07:21:28,520 --> 07:21:28,753
Dyess COUNCILMAN Pension.

12677
07:21:28,753 --> 07:21:30,688
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I

12678
07:21:30,688 --> 07:21:33,959
a question that really is more

12679
07:21:33,959 --> 07:21:35,627
of a curiosity bigger picture.

12680
07:21:35,627 --> 07:21:37,329
Broad context. You've spoken a

12681
07:21:37,329 --> 07:21:38,998
little bit to the history and

12682
07:21:38,998 --> 07:21:39,632
the context and then actually

12683
07:21:39,632 --> 07:21:42,320
directed to our planning

12684
07:21:42,869 --> 07:21:44,370
director Kevin Walker. And

12685
07:21:44,370 --> 07:21:45,380
I've always wondered in terms

12686
07:21:45,380 --> 07:21:48,380
of how Colorado Springs has

12687
07:21:48,775 --> 07:21:51,775
developed. Area of our city

12688
07:21:53,130 --> 07:21:53,914
that you know, at the

12689
07:21:53,914 --> 07:21:56,914
foothills of the mountains and

12690
07:21:57,452 --> 07:21:59,788
really quite beautiful. And

12691
07:21:59,788 --> 07:22:02,658
>> desirable as a place to

12692
07:22:02,658 --> 07:22:05,658
live. Why that corridor has

12693
07:22:05,927 --> 07:22:06,662
become set such a place for

12694
07:22:06,662 --> 07:22:09,662
light industrial as opposed to

12695
07:22:10,566 --> 07:22:11,300
something for their out east.

12696
07:22:11,300 --> 07:22:12,735
It's just it's just never made

12697
07:22:12,735 --> 07:22:13,170
a lot of sense to me. And it

12698
07:22:13,170 --> 07:22:14,700
doesn't.

12699
07:22:14,700 --> 07:22:14,904
>> Will it impact my vote on

12700
07:22:14,904 --> 07:22:18,504
this at all, which him so

12701
07:22:18,742 --> 07:22:19,609
much? We're going to vote. But

12702
07:22:19,609 --> 07:22:22,609
do have context you could

12703
07:22:26,550 --> 07:22:26,884
offer sure. I think that the

12704
07:22:26,884 --> 07:22:27,585
context

12705
07:22:27,585 --> 07:22:29,320
>> of the Garden of the Gods

12706
07:22:29,320 --> 07:22:30,154
Corridor as an industrial

12707
07:22:30,154 --> 07:22:32,957
corridor was a lot different

12708
07:22:32,957 --> 07:22:34,793
in the 1960's when this was

12709
07:22:34,793 --> 07:22:36,161
first started and first

12710
07:22:36,161 --> 07:22:38,164
developed. So you didn't have

12711
07:22:38,164 --> 07:22:41,764
a lot of the residential uses.

12712
07:22:42,668 --> 07:22:43,370
They came later. And so the

12713
07:22:43,370 --> 07:22:45,770
corridor itself was actually

12714
07:22:47,941 --> 07:22:48,975
quite isolated. In those in

12715
07:22:48,975 --> 07:22:50,844
those times. And it would made

12716
07:22:50,844 --> 07:22:52,346
sense in that kind development

12717
07:22:52,346 --> 07:22:55,946
pattern. And in those kind of

12718
07:22:57,952 --> 07:22:59,952
development years. Industrial

12719
07:23:00,210 --> 07:23:01,355
parks were separated from the

12720
07:23:01,355 --> 07:23:04,590
city. They were along a major

12721
07:23:04,590 --> 07:23:05,160
corridor just like this not.

12722
07:23:05,160 --> 07:23:06,796
And I think that what's

12723
07:23:06,796 --> 07:23:07,329
happened here is that the

12724
07:23:07,329 --> 07:23:08,930
corridor developed

12725
07:23:08,930 --> 07:23:12,000
industrially, but it was a lot

12726
07:23:12,000 --> 07:23:12,701
of land. So it didn't

12727
07:23:12,701 --> 07:23:13,970
completely develop. And this

12728
07:23:13,970 --> 07:23:15,938
piece is a remnant piece like

12729
07:23:15,938 --> 07:23:18,938
that. And then the residential

12730
07:23:19,342 --> 07:23:22,145
piece developed up to them.

12731
07:23:22,145 --> 07:23:23,247
That's where that used to use

12732
07:23:23,247 --> 07:23:24,448
relationship. You issues have

12733
07:23:24,448 --> 07:23:27,448
been really kind of created.

12734
07:23:27,985 --> 07:23:30,985
So I think that gives

12735
07:23:31,220 --> 07:23:31,722
>> So a combination of we were

12736
07:23:31,722 --> 07:23:32,357
small enough at the time. And

12737
07:23:32,357 --> 07:23:32,990
that was really far out.

12738
07:23:32,990 --> 07:23:33,625
That's what you did with

12739
07:23:33,625 --> 07:23:35,527
industrial parks. And I'm

12740
07:23:35,527 --> 07:23:36,895
wondering if, know, the also

12741
07:23:36,895 --> 07:23:38,497
the mining that happened upon

12742
07:23:38,497 --> 07:23:40,700
the mountain where they were

12743
07:23:40,700 --> 07:23:42,267
excavating that also probably

12744
07:23:42,267 --> 07:23:42,969
kind of contributed. I'm

12745
07:23:42,969 --> 07:23:43,670
guessing garden of the Gods

12746
07:23:43,670 --> 07:23:46,139
corridor came straight out of

12747
07:23:46,139 --> 07:23:47,741
the Industrial Development

12748
07:23:47,741 --> 07:23:51,341
Handbook. So and that and I

12749
07:23:52,112 --> 07:23:52,479
remember that.

12750
07:23:52,479 --> 07:23:54,280
>> Brown.

12751
07:23:54,280 --> 07:23:57,280
>> right here on your head.

12752
07:23:58,853 --> 07:23:59,954
Okay. Thank you, Kevin.

12753
07:23:59,954 --> 07:24:00,955
COUNCILMAN Drizzly.

12754
07:24:00,955 --> 07:24:02,230
>> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,

12755
07:24:02,230 --> 07:24:05,230
unlike MR. Walker, I don't

12756
07:24:06,228 --> 07:24:07,396
remember the 1960's.

12757
07:24:07,396 --> 07:24:10,266
>> But I am very familiar with

12758
07:24:10,266 --> 07:24:11,500
this area. My dad were killed,

12759
07:24:11,500 --> 07:24:14,500
Packard I grew you know,

12760
07:24:14,637 --> 07:24:15,438
hanging out with him that

12761
07:24:15,438 --> 07:24:16,139
Packard. I have a couple

12762
07:24:16,139 --> 07:24:16,840
questions for the applicant.

12763
07:24:16,840 --> 07:24:19,543
If you don't mind coming back

12764
07:24:19,543 --> 07:24:21,543
up.

12765
07:24:22,780 --> 07:24:23,480
>> In terms of the surrounding

12766
07:24:23,480 --> 07:24:25,582
this property. I certainly

12767
07:24:25,582 --> 07:24:26,817
understand and hear what my

12768
07:24:26,817 --> 07:24:27,518
colleague MR. Casey is saying

12769
07:24:27,518 --> 07:24:29,987
with regard to properties to

12770
07:24:29,987 --> 07:24:30,822
the South and I count.

12771
07:24:30,822 --> 07:24:32,822
>> About 7 residences that

12772
07:24:32,824 --> 07:24:34,759
backup directly to this

12773
07:24:34,759 --> 07:24:36,695
property. But when I'm looking

12774
07:24:36,695 --> 07:24:37,362
at Google Earth, I'm seeing

12775
07:24:37,362 --> 07:24:40,399
that there appears to be a

12776
07:24:40,399 --> 07:24:42,201
very significant existing

12777
07:24:42,201 --> 07:24:44,270
barrier of trees to do those

12778
07:24:44,270 --> 07:24:46,272
exist today. Are those still

12779
07:24:46,272 --> 07:24:48,241
there? They do And it looks to

12780
07:24:48,241 --> 07:24:48,908
me like this property actually

12781
07:24:48,908 --> 07:24:49,542
sits up above in elevation

12782
07:24:49,542 --> 07:24:50,243
higher than the resident

12783
07:24:50,243 --> 07:24:52,643
residential properties to the

12784
07:24:52,879 --> 07:24:55,879
South. You mean the our

12785
07:24:56,850 --> 07:24:57,951
Several higher. It's actually

12786
07:24:57,951 --> 07:24:59,720
it's it's very confusing.

12787
07:24:59,720 --> 07:25:00,387
Buckingham is definitely

12788
07:25:00,387 --> 07:25:01,655
higher the road as it comes

12789
07:25:01,655 --> 07:25:01,889
around. And there's a steep

12790
07:25:01,889 --> 07:25:02,122
s#

12791
07:25:02,122 --> 07:25:02,372
#

12792
07:25:02,372 --> 07:25:02,555
#

12793
07:25:02,555 --> 07:25:03,891
#

12794
07:25:03,891 --> 07:25:04,659
again on the West side

12795
07:25:04,659 --> 07:25:04,993
where the retail is, there's a

12796
07:25:04,993 --> 07:25:05,153
steep s#

12797
07:25:05,153 --> 07:25:05,319
#

12798
07:25:05,319 --> 07:25:05,525
#

12799
07:25:05,525 --> 07:25:06,694
#

12800
07:25:06,694 --> 07:25:08,663
, but the grid of

12801
07:25:08,663 --> 07:25:10,663
our

12802
07:25:11,600 --> 07:25:12,267
>> land relative to the

12803
07:25:12,267 --> 07:25:12,968
PRESIDENT Says is almost a

12804
07:25:12,968 --> 07:25:14,737
cent. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. That

12805
07:25:14,737 --> 07:25:15,838
must be what's sort of

12806
07:25:15,838 --> 07:25:16,772
deceptive is that the you

12807
07:25:16,772 --> 07:25:18,775
know, Google obviously is on

12808
07:25:18,775 --> 07:25:19,475
the roads and private property

12809
07:25:19,475 --> 07:25:21,475
Buckingham. Definitely looks

12810
07:25:23,412 --> 07:25:24,114
like it's up higher.

12811
07:25:24,114 --> 07:25:24,748
>> Significantly. And then it

12812
07:25:24,748 --> 07:25:28,348
goes up higher as you go

12813
07:25:30,587 --> 07:25:31,822
further to the North.

12814
07:25:31,822 --> 07:25:34,222
>> I understand that we

12815
07:25:34,759 --> 07:25:35,660
comments from citizens about

12816
07:25:35,660 --> 07:25:36,627
concern of the of this

12817
07:25:36,627 --> 07:25:37,328
development adjacent to their

12818
07:25:37,328 --> 07:25:38,964
properties. But I noted that

12819
07:25:38,964 --> 07:25:39,564
there are only 2 speakers at

12820
07:25:39,564 --> 07:25:41,564
the Planning Commission

12821
07:25:44,690 --> 07:25:45,904
hearing. Both had the same

12822
07:25:45,904 --> 07:25:46,605
last name. So think it's safe

12823
07:25:46,605 --> 07:25:47,639
to deduce that they probably

12824
07:25:47,639 --> 07:25:48,341
live in the same household in

12825
07:25:48,341 --> 07:25:51,341
this neighborhood in some of

12826
07:25:52,445 --> 07:25:54,247
their complaints. Actually the

12827
07:25:54,247 --> 07:25:55,382
some of the things that you

12828
07:25:55,382 --> 07:25:56,490
address, the trash and

12829
07:25:56,490 --> 07:25:58,618
homelessness in some of the

12830
07:25:58,618 --> 07:25:59,253
other situations that that

12831
07:25:59,253 --> 07:26:01,253
occurring or

12832
07:26:03,157 --> 07:26:03,891
>> are on your property now.

12833
07:26:03,891 --> 07:26:05,393
And I think you commented that

12834
07:26:05,393 --> 07:26:06,994
one way to cure that obviously

12835
07:26:06,994 --> 07:26:07,595
is to activate the property

12836
07:26:07,595 --> 07:26:08,329
and development and do

12837
07:26:08,329 --> 07:26:11,329
something with that aside from

12838
07:26:12,567 --> 07:26:13,301
just a vacant lot.

12839
07:26:13,301 --> 07:26:14,569
>> You want to expand it on on

12840
07:26:14,569 --> 07:26:15,270
that and maybe kind of the

12841
07:26:15,270 --> 07:26:15,871
concerns of the neighbors had

12842
07:26:15,871 --> 07:26:18,271
relative to the current

12843
07:26:18,407 --> 07:26:19,108
condition of the site.

12844
07:26:19,108 --> 07:26:21,544
>> Yeah, I think there is if

12845
07:26:21,544 --> 07:26:22,278
if I remember right, they had

12846
07:26:22,278 --> 07:26:25,278
2 main concerns. One about are

12847
07:26:26,649 --> 07:26:28,850
the condition of our property.

12848
07:26:28,850 --> 07:26:29,190
>> One concerns about the back

12849
07:26:29,190 --> 07:26:29,686
of the retail section, the

12850
07:26:29,686 --> 07:26:32,589
back of the retail section.

12851
07:26:32,589 --> 07:26:34,625
They were just that's where

12852
07:26:34,625 --> 07:26:35,859
they have their dumpsters and

12853
07:26:35,859 --> 07:26:37,495
trash enclosures and wind will

12854
07:26:37,495 --> 07:26:40,499
blow that around. And so they

12855
07:26:40,499 --> 07:26:41,500
are wondering, you concerns

12856
07:26:41,500 --> 07:26:42,501
about that, which you

12857
07:26:42,501 --> 07:26:43,568
obviously have no control

12858
07:26:43,568 --> 07:26:44,803
over. That's not your

12859
07:26:44,803 --> 07:26:46,505
property, right? Correct. And

12860
07:26:46,505 --> 07:26:47,539
we would have the same concern

12861
07:26:47,539 --> 07:26:48,440
of trash being blown around

12862
07:26:48,440 --> 07:26:49,107
because we want professional,

12863
07:26:49,107 --> 07:26:52,707
as you know, the tracks of

12864
07:26:52,912 --> 07:26:53,613
sight. So does out of her

12865
07:26:53,613 --> 07:26:54,246
control. That's one concern.

12866
07:26:54,246 --> 07:26:55,715
The other one was there's

12867
07:26:55,715 --> 07:26:57,715
been.

12868
07:26:59,753 --> 07:27:01,753
>> It's there's there's

12869
07:27:01,821 --> 07:27:02,923
campfires up against their

12870
07:27:02,923 --> 07:27:04,725
fence lines. There's illegal

12871
07:27:04,725 --> 07:27:07,125
dumping what we've there's

12872
07:27:08,595 --> 07:27:09,697
been homeless camps, illegal

12873
07:27:09,697 --> 07:27:10,798
dumping and it's assortment of

12874
07:27:10,798 --> 07:27:11,933
other things that we've or to

12875
07:27:11,933 --> 07:27:12,567
the police try to mitigate the

12876
07:27:12,567 --> 07:27:15,567
best we can. There's what

12877
07:27:15,737 --> 07:27:19,841
we've done is since we so we

12878
07:27:19,841 --> 07:27:21,760
purchase property in MARCH.

12879
07:27:21,760 --> 07:27:22,678
The previous owner had some

12880
07:27:22,678 --> 07:27:23,379
financial difficulties which

12881
07:27:23,379 --> 07:27:25,181
didn't allow them maintain it

12882
07:27:25,181 --> 07:27:25,481
very well over that period of

12883
07:27:25,481 --> 07:27:27,481
time.

12884
07:27:31,655 --> 07:27:32,550
>> The and they did it on for

12885
07:27:32,550 --> 07:27:33,560
that long.

12886
07:27:33,560 --> 07:27:34,358
>> What we have since done is

12887
07:27:34,358 --> 07:27:34,925
blocked off. The entrance has

12888
07:27:34,925 --> 07:27:35,592
worked with the fire

12889
07:27:35,592 --> 07:27:37,992
department. Make sure they

12890
07:27:38,620 --> 07:27:39,698
have all the access they need.

12891
07:27:39,698 --> 07:27:40,431
And then be able to push dirt.

12892
07:27:40,431 --> 07:27:44,310
Now up to prevent the illegal

12893
07:27:44,202 --> 07:27:44,936
something. Now we have on a

12894
07:27:44,936 --> 07:27:47,172
quarterly basis. We're working

12895
07:27:47,172 --> 07:27:49,341
to have those cleaned up and

12896
07:27:49,341 --> 07:27:52,278
go through. But it's a

12897
07:27:52,278 --> 07:27:53,178
constant battle. From what

12898
07:27:53,178 --> 07:27:56,778
I've seen and heard is that

12899
07:27:58,217 --> 07:28:01,788
once we any of issues they

12900
07:28:01,788 --> 07:28:02,522
return within. 24 to 72 hours.

12901
07:28:02,522 --> 07:28:03,824
So it's a constant battle that

12902
07:28:03,824 --> 07:28:04,491
we're doing our best to try to

12903
07:28:04,491 --> 07:28:05,158
keep that clean. But we do

12904
07:28:05,158 --> 07:28:08,158
think the only way, really,

12905
07:28:08,896 --> 07:28:10,732
because it's been. For so many

12906
07:28:10,732 --> 07:28:11,432
years, this unknown place to

12907
07:28:11,432 --> 07:28:13,134
go that ultimate development

12908
07:28:13,134 --> 07:28:14,902
of the sites, best way to

12909
07:28:14,902 --> 07:28:17,672
clean this up and kind of

12910
07:28:17,672 --> 07:28:18,674
compliment that development

12911
07:28:18,674 --> 07:28:19,374
and the investment that's made

12912
07:28:19,374 --> 07:28:21,774
immediately service with the

12913
07:28:22,277 --> 07:28:22,678
with the project there. And on

12914
07:28:22,678 --> 07:28:24,580
that point.

12915
07:28:24,580 --> 07:28:27,317
>> You know, you I think said

12916
07:28:27,317 --> 07:28:27,983
that the business Park service

12917
07:28:27,983 --> 07:28:28,851
surrounding your neighbors,

12918
07:28:28,851 --> 07:28:30,320
that it's very well managed.

12919
07:28:30,320 --> 07:28:33,320
Very well sort of kept

12920
07:28:34,991 --> 07:28:37,161
business park. There are

12921
07:28:37,161 --> 07:28:38,261
sections of do appear to

12922
07:28:38,261 --> 07:28:39,964
nicely landscapes. But I see a

12923
07:28:39,964 --> 07:28:40,665
lot and you've described it

12924
07:28:40,665 --> 07:28:41,598
already there. There appears

12925
07:28:41,598 --> 07:28:44,402
to be very heavy truck traffic

12926
07:28:44,402 --> 07:28:46,571
coming out of a couple of

12927
07:28:46,571 --> 07:28:47,706
these locations. There's one

12928
07:28:47,706 --> 07:28:48,539
properties it looks like some

12929
07:28:48,539 --> 07:28:52,139
sort of car storage, junk yard

12930
07:28:52,411 --> 07:28:53,112
facility that's got these big,

12931
07:28:53,112 --> 07:28:56,112
you know, metal canopies with

12932
07:28:57,830 --> 07:28:57,750
cars parked underneath it

12933
07:28:57,750 --> 07:28:58,384
dilapidated fencing and

12934
07:28:58,384 --> 07:29:00,384
landscaping. That doesn't

12935
07:29:02,956 --> 07:29:04,956
that's completely overgrown.

12936
07:29:05,240 --> 07:29:06,126
In my mind, you know, if I had

12937
07:29:06,126 --> 07:29:08,295
just seen pictures of these

12938
07:29:08,295 --> 07:29:08,930
things, precast concrete

12939
07:29:08,930 --> 07:29:11,330
warehouses, you know, pre

12940
07:29:12,934 --> 07:29:14,350
engineered metal buildings. I

12941
07:29:14,350 --> 07:29:15,971
wouldn't think that those are

12942
07:29:15,971 --> 07:29:16,671
business Park uses if I

12943
07:29:16,671 --> 07:29:17,806
wouldn't. If you were just to

12944
07:29:17,806 --> 07:29:18,540
show me pictures of these

12945
07:29:18,540 --> 07:29:19,207
buildings in these properties,

12946
07:29:19,207 --> 07:29:21,510
I would say that definitely

12947
07:29:21,510 --> 07:29:22,770
looks like some sort of an

12948
07:29:22,770 --> 07:29:22,778
industry. You certain

12949
07:29:22,778 --> 07:29:23,479
industrial zone? I would not

12950
07:29:23,479 --> 07:29:26,820
have guessed a business park

12951
07:29:26,820 --> 07:29:28,718
at all. And the reason I bring

12952
07:29:28,718 --> 07:29:32,689
that up is that it, you know,

12953
07:29:32,689 --> 07:29:34,858
again, understand the concern

12954
07:29:34,858 --> 07:29:35,959
the compatibility to with the

12955
07:29:35,959 --> 07:29:36,594
properties to the south, the

12956
07:29:36,594 --> 07:29:38,295
residential properties to

12957
07:29:38,295 --> 07:29:39,290
south. But in terms of

12958
07:29:39,290 --> 07:29:39,696
compatibility, with all of the

12959
07:29:39,696 --> 07:29:41,696
other property surrounding

12960
07:29:42,990 --> 07:29:42,800
this area. You know, I really

12961
07:29:42,800 --> 07:29:45,102
struggled to see how anything

12962
07:29:45,102 --> 07:29:47,710
that you would propose is

12963
07:29:47,710 --> 07:29:47,906
different from what's already

12964
07:29:47,906 --> 07:29:50,842
there and going going back to

12965
07:29:50,842 --> 07:29:53,242
MR. Walker's Point, you 70

12966
07:29:54,779 --> 07:29:56,949
years ago, 60 years ago, this

12967
07:29:56,949 --> 07:29:57,683
was the major industrial

12968
07:29:57,683 --> 07:30:00,830
driver, Colorado Springs. This

12969
07:30:01,621 --> 07:30:02,322
was the corridor and to his

12970
07:30:02,322 --> 07:30:05,322
point, all of the residential

12971
07:30:05,792 --> 07:30:06,526
you see up against it. Now.

12972
07:30:06,526 --> 07:30:07,194
Grew their overtime. So people

12973
07:30:07,194 --> 07:30:10,163
built these houses next to

12974
07:30:10,163 --> 07:30:10,798
these major industrial

12975
07:30:10,798 --> 07:30:11,498
complexes. People bought

12976
07:30:11,498 --> 07:30:14,498
houses and moved into houses

12977
07:30:14,902 --> 07:30:17,380
next to this. Not the other

12978
07:30:17,380 --> 07:30:17,772
way around. And I think that's

12979
07:30:17,772 --> 07:30:20,772
important thing to recall into

12980
07:30:29,986 --> 07:30:30,820
remembering this conversation.

12981
07:30:30,820 --> 07:30:33,220
Tiffany, thank from planning.

12982
07:30:33,589 --> 07:30:34,590
Am just had final closing

12983
07:30:34,590 --> 07:30:36,526
comments.

12984
07:30:36,526 --> 07:30:37,660
>> One thing that staff would

12985
07:30:37,660 --> 07:30:39,396
like to highlight is that in

12986
07:30:39,396 --> 07:30:40,163
addition to the landscape

12987
07:30:40,163 --> 07:30:42,163
buffering requirements I

12988
07:30:42,299 --> 07:30:44,299
between residential.

12989
07:30:46,103 --> 07:30:46,804
>> 2 commercial or industrial

12990
07:30:46,804 --> 07:30:50,404
use they're also a variety of

12991
07:30:50,675 --> 07:30:51,576
you specific standards. And

12992
07:30:51,576 --> 07:30:53,976
that impact site design

12993
07:30:54,579 --> 07:30:56,348
requirements those would be

12994
07:30:56,348 --> 07:30:58,348
evaluating development plan

12995
07:31:01,320 --> 07:31:02,540
stage. But many of the more

12996
07:31:02,540 --> 07:31:05,540
kind of more intense potential

12997
07:31:05,191 --> 07:31:05,859
use is allowed on site to have

12998
07:31:05,859 --> 07:31:06,559
additional buffer screening

12999
07:31:06,559 --> 07:31:08,228
requirements when adjacent to

13000
07:31:08,228 --> 07:31:10,228
residential properties. Thank

13001
07:31:11,731 --> 07:31:14,131
you. Thank you. COUNCILMAN

13002
07:31:19,740 --> 07:31:21,309
Donaldson.

13003
07:31:21,309 --> 07:31:21,977
>> MADAM You know, I

13004
07:31:21,977 --> 07:31:23,977
appreciate the applicant's

13005
07:31:29,452 --> 07:31:30,686
efforts take to clean it up. I

13006
07:31:30,686 --> 07:31:31,387
garden of the gods is that

13007
07:31:31,387 --> 07:31:34,387
corridor is changing and the

13008
07:31:35,925 --> 07:31:37,460
proximity to. Gotten well to

13009
07:31:37,460 --> 07:31:40,163
garden a garden of the gods

13010
07:31:40,163 --> 07:31:42,866
and kissing camels. It's not

13011
07:31:42,866 --> 07:31:46,270
the same as it was 60 years

13012
07:31:46,270 --> 07:31:50,470
ago. And I do think we want

13013
07:31:51,800 --> 07:31:53,411
maintain As professional and a

13014
07:31:53,411 --> 07:31:56,411
static as we can. And

13015
07:31:58,116 --> 07:32:00,118
therefore, I'd like to offer.

13016
07:32:00,118 --> 07:32:00,819
A motion to deny the ordinance

13017
07:32:00,819 --> 07:32:02,888
amending the zoning map. The

13018
07:32:02,888 --> 07:32:05,288
city of Colorado Springs

13019
07:32:05,291 --> 07:32:07,691
related to the 7.7 9 acres

13020
07:32:08,600 --> 07:32:10,600
located at 42 90 43 10. 43

13021
07:32:10,964 --> 07:32:12,964
2043, 30 43, 40 Buckingham

13022
07:32:13,133 --> 07:32:16,133
Drive from the currents zoning

13023
07:32:17,700 --> 07:32:17,771
to the proposed zoning and I

13024
07:32:17,771 --> 07:32:21,108
can read all that out. If you

13025
07:32:21,108 --> 07:32:21,876
would like.

13026
07:32:21,876 --> 07:32:22,510
>> And MADAM PRESIDENT, I had

13027
07:32:22,510 --> 07:32:25,510
already made a motion to

13028
07:32:27,949 --> 07:32:28,617
approve.

13029
07:32:28,617 --> 07:32:31,617
>> With a second, it looks

13030
07:32:41,664 --> 07:32:44,640
like from councilmember Remy.

13031
07:32:45,536 --> 07:32:45,936
Sorry. Is there a question in

13032
07:32:45,936 --> 07:32:47,300
this state?

13033
07:32:47,300 --> 07:32:50,603
>> I believe that there is a

13034
07:32:50,975 --> 07:32:51,742
motion to approve in a second.

13035
07:32:51,742 --> 07:32:53,742
However, COUNCILMAN Donaldson

13036
07:32:55,446 --> 07:32:58,446
has a motion. Believe he's

13037
07:33:01,754 --> 07:33:02,387
goes first.

13038
07:33:02,387 --> 07:33:04,787
>> You know, honestly, as

13039
07:33:06,192 --> 07:33:06,826
speak tonight, I notice that

13040
07:33:06,826 --> 07:33:07,526
COUNCILMAN Vice-PRESIDENT

13041
07:33:07,526 --> 07:33:09,996
Risley had made it on the can

13042
07:33:09,996 --> 07:33:10,697
on the screen. And so all

13043
07:33:10,697 --> 07:33:13,666
accept that. But then I would

13044
07:33:13,666 --> 07:33:17,866
like to to Make a motion for

13045
07:33:19,439 --> 07:33:21,839
an amendment. MADAM PRESIDENT.

13046
07:33:23,577 --> 07:33:25,577
>> 2 amends.

13047
07:33:30,485 --> 07:33:32,485
>> The

13048
07:33:32,520 --> 07:33:33,154
>> prohibited so use

13049
07:33:33,154 --> 07:33:33,889
categories which are now

13050
07:33:33,889 --> 07:33:36,889
currently, you know, a through

13051
07:33:37,460 --> 07:33:38,294
f.

13052
07:33:38,294 --> 07:33:39,195
>> to add an additional which

13053
07:33:39,195 --> 07:33:43,395
would be g and that would be

13054
07:33:44,340 --> 07:33:47,634
data centers. Do you have a

13055
07:33:51,309 --> 07:33:53,709
second? Will find out.

13056
07:33:55,680 --> 07:33:58,800
>> So COUNCILMAN Just wanted

13057
07:33:58,650 --> 07:33:59,617
to the applicant was sort of

13058
07:33:59,617 --> 07:34:00,319
If he if I could ask the

13059
07:34:00,319 --> 07:34:03,319
applicant how he feels about

13060
07:34:05,758 --> 07:34:06,458
that.

13061
07:34:06,458 --> 07:34:07,930
>> We have no desire to build

13062
07:34:07,930 --> 07:34:10,930
a data center. So that's

13063
07:34:14,534 --> 07:34:15,434
totally fine to be.

13064
07:34:15,434 --> 07:34:16,102
>> So in a motion from

13065
07:34:16,102 --> 07:34:16,937
COUNCILMAN Donna Senate and

13066
07:34:16,937 --> 07:34:19,540
the second from council and

13067
07:34:19,540 --> 07:34:20,174
Gold.

13068
07:34:20,174 --> 07:34:22,574
>> 2, the clerk. Can you

13069
07:34:24,612 --> 07:34:26,612
verify the amendment?

13070
07:34:27,480 --> 07:34:30,480
Shorthand to the main motion

13071
07:34:30,952 --> 07:34:33,589
to prohibit data centers. As a

13072
07:34:33,589 --> 07:34:35,589
condition of record.

13073
07:34:35,924 --> 07:34:38,924
>> Which we will correct. Do

13074
07:34:38,961 --> 07:34:39,895
the correct lane with full

13075
07:34:39,895 --> 07:34:41,631
language in the minutes. But

13076
07:34:41,631 --> 07:34:42,365
this was just a shorthand

13077
07:34:42,365 --> 07:34:43,320
typing or you get that Are you

13078
07:34:43,320 --> 07:34:43,900
good with that? COUNCILMAN

13079
07:34:43,900 --> 07:34:44,500
Donaldson.

13080
07:34:44,500 --> 07:34:46,360
>> Yeah, I believe that

13081
07:34:46,360 --> 07:34:48,436
captures my intent. Okay.

13082
07:35:01,119 --> 07:35:03,119
Let's vote

13083
07:35:08,327 --> 07:35:11,764
>> And the passes from 3 to an

13084
07:35:11,764 --> 07:35:13,650
end.

13085
07:35:13,650 --> 07:35:13,700
>> To the motion from council

13086
07:35:13,700 --> 07:35:16,700
members in a second from

13087
07:35:17,471 --> 07:35:19,871
councilmember rainy, too. The

13088
07:35:20,440 --> 07:35:23,440
proof with the conditions. Is

13089
07:35:26,647 --> 07:35:28,316
that correct? To approve with

13090
07:35:28,316 --> 07:35:29,350
those conditions? I just want

13091
07:35:29,350 --> 07:35:30,517
write record a system is

13092
07:35:30,517 --> 07:35:32,153
frozen again. Yes, you're

13093
07:35:32,153 --> 07:35:35,153
voting on the and action.

13094
07:35:46,402 --> 07:35:47,737
>> What's

13095
07:35:47,737 --> 07:35:48,772
still present. Can

13096
07:35:48,772 --> 07:35:49,606
we just points vote? Is that

13097
07:35:49,606 --> 07:35:50,707
agreeable call the roll?

13098
07:35:50,707 --> 07:35:52,707
Please councilmember Casey.

13099
07:35:53,577 --> 07:35:55,546
All right. Councilmember

13100
07:35:55,546 --> 07:35:58,149
Coronavirus an eye. That's a

13101
07:35:58,149 --> 07:36:00,149
member Donaldson know.

13102
07:36:00,518 --> 07:36:02,918
Councilmember gold. I that's

13103
07:36:04,356 --> 07:36:05,560
the engine. Councilmember line

13104
07:36:05,560 --> 07:36:07,560
members absent councilmember

13105
07:36:08,193 --> 07:36:09,600
rainy, Councilmember easily

13106
07:36:09,600 --> 07:36:11,600
right. Councilmember Williams,

13107
07:36:11,563 --> 07:36:15,163
I have. And the motion passes

13108
07:36:20,173 --> 07:36:21,107
7, 1, Moving to item 13 when

13109
07:36:21,107 --> 07:36:22,800
our citizens discussion for

13110
07:36:22,800 --> 07:36:24,344
items not on today's agenda,

13111
07:36:24,344 --> 07:36:25,145
per City Council's citizens

13112
07:36:25,145 --> 07:36:25,879
will have 3 minutes to share

13113
07:36:25,879 --> 07:36:26,613
their comments. Have a list of

13114
07:36:26,613 --> 07:36:27,248
those who have signed up. When

13115
07:36:27,248 --> 07:36:27,915
I your name. Please come

13116
07:36:27,915 --> 07:36:28,882
forward, introduce yourself

13117
07:36:28,882 --> 07:36:29,550
and limit yourself to talk.

13118
07:36:29,550 --> 07:36:31,886
>> Books that are relevant.

13119
07:36:31,886 --> 07:36:34,286
Germane to city business.

13120
07:36:41,329 --> 07:36:44,399
First we have a j sir.

13121
07:36:44,399 --> 07:36:46,799
>> Good Evening. City Council.

13122
07:36:48,300 --> 07:36:49,338
Why speak you'll see 2 sets of

13123
07:36:49,338 --> 07:36:52,338
footage. So the first damage

13124
07:36:52,375 --> 07:36:54,344
to Rocky Ball Bistro. A local

13125
07:36:54,344 --> 07:36:56,246
restaurant rammed by a stolen

13126
07:36:56,246 --> 07:36:56,913
vehicle after a teenager fired

13127
07:36:56,913 --> 07:36:59,313
rounds into the neighboring

13128
07:37:01,485 --> 07:37:02,190
shop. The second is a walk of

13129
07:37:02,190 --> 07:37:02,686
empty and abandoned

13130
07:37:02,686 --> 07:37:03,387
storefronts directly across

13131
07:37:03,387 --> 07:37:06,424
from City Hall in Nevada and

13132
07:37:06,424 --> 07:37:07,124
around these you I counted

13133
07:37:07,124 --> 07:37:09,524
multiple closed businesses in

13134
07:37:09,794 --> 07:37:10,362
the short stretch and was even

13135
07:37:10,362 --> 07:37:12,362
harassed by homeless

13136
07:37:13,231 --> 07:37:14,366
individual while filming. I'm

13137
07:37:14,366 --> 07:37:16,234
showing this because there is

13138
07:37:16,234 --> 07:37:16,935
a clear gap between the

13139
07:37:16,935 --> 07:37:19,335
mayor's public narrative and

13140
07:37:20,339 --> 07:37:22,739
what residents actually see.

13141
07:37:22,976 --> 07:37:23,710
The mayor repeatedly claimed

13142
07:37:23,710 --> 07:37:24,410
small businesses are thriving.

13143
07:37:24,410 --> 07:37:26,346
Homeless numbers are down and

13144
07:37:26,346 --> 07:37:26,913
crime is under control. The

13145
07:37:26,913 --> 07:37:29,313
footage and the empty

13146
07:37:30,784 --> 07:37:31,485
storefronts say otherwise. On

13147
07:37:31,485 --> 07:37:33,454
cross specifically, the mayor

13148
07:37:33,454 --> 07:37:34,355
likes to highlight the last 2

13149
07:37:34,355 --> 07:37:34,922
years. He rarely discussed is

13150
07:37:34,922 --> 07:37:37,922
the first year of his

13151
07:37:38,526 --> 07:37:39,794
administration. One federal

13152
07:37:39,794 --> 07:37:40,461
border policy was still wide

13153
07:37:40,461 --> 07:37:43,164
open and the problems were

13154
07:37:43,164 --> 07:37:44,399
even more pronounced. Taking

13155
07:37:44,399 --> 07:37:45,767
credit for improvements that

13156
07:37:45,767 --> 07:37:47,369
track with larger enforcement

13157
07:37:47,369 --> 07:37:50,369
shifts elsewhere is a pattern.

13158
07:37:51,274 --> 07:37:52,275
Members of this body have even

13159
07:37:52,275 --> 07:37:52,942
publicly noted that the mayor

13160
07:37:52,942 --> 07:37:55,942
has claimed credit for work

13161
07:37:56,747 --> 07:37:58,480
that they initiated.

13162
07:37:58,480 --> 07:38:00,283
Everything becomes a photo

13163
07:38:00,283 --> 07:38:02,283
opportunity. Senior centers

13164
07:38:02,319 --> 07:38:04,288
dance studios start up week.

13165
07:38:04,288 --> 07:38:06,123
Award ceremonies. Meanwhile,

13166
07:38:06,123 --> 07:38:06,857
the storefronts stay empty.

13167
07:38:06,857 --> 07:38:08,960
The cancer, Maine and small

13168
07:38:08,960 --> 07:38:09,660
businesses absorb the costs of

13169
07:38:09,660 --> 07:38:10,261
disorder that keeps getting

13170
07:38:10,261 --> 07:38:13,970
worse. I go through the

13171
07:38:13,970 --> 07:38:16,301
system. I look forward to the

13172
07:38:16,301 --> 07:38:17,436
mayor's reaction after today's

13173
07:38:17,436 --> 07:38:18,971
comments. Last time I brought

13174
07:38:18,971 --> 07:38:19,872
video of encampments and

13175
07:38:19,872 --> 07:38:21,407
challenge the numbers. A press

13176
07:38:21,407 --> 07:38:22,574
conference appear the

13177
07:38:22,574 --> 07:38:24,574
following day. The 15

13178
07:38:24,644 --> 07:38:25,778
department homeless response

13179
07:38:25,778 --> 07:38:27,480
team presentation seems to be

13180
07:38:27,480 --> 07:38:29,649
the default slide deck.

13181
07:38:29,649 --> 07:38:31,851
Whatever residents raised the

13182
07:38:31,851 --> 07:38:32,653
issue, the same one already

13183
07:38:32,653 --> 07:38:35,530
given to other neighbors,

13184
07:38:36,790 --> 07:38:38,559
neighborhoods that complain.

13185
07:38:38,559 --> 07:38:39,260
Springs taxpayer United

13186
07:38:39,260 --> 07:38:40,261
attended the press conference

13187
07:38:40,261 --> 07:38:41,662
and called it a nothing burger

13188
07:38:41,662 --> 07:38:43,798
on Facebook. Residents are

13189
07:38:43,798 --> 07:38:45,670
unimpressed least of all

13190
07:38:45,670 --> 07:38:47,670
myself. Transparency means

13191
07:38:47,402 --> 07:38:48,203
matching the press releases

13192
07:38:48,203 --> 07:38:50,506
the reality of the ground. The

13193
07:38:50,506 --> 07:38:52,906
videos are the receipt.

13194
07:38:55,878 --> 07:38:56,545
Questions? All I got.

13195
07:38:56,545 --> 07:38:59,545
>> Next step we have Taylor

13196
07:39:08,225 --> 07:39:10,225
great.

13197
07:39:11,562 --> 07:39:14,562
>> First of all, just time.

13198
07:39:15,600 --> 07:39:17,569
First of all, on Sam bless his

13199
07:39:17,569 --> 07:39:18,436
family. Congratulations for

13200
07:39:18,436 --> 07:39:21,173
him. Let's give him racing.

13201
07:39:21,173 --> 07:39:23,573
Bonuses had cast them.

13202
07:39:25,979 --> 07:39:28,848
>> Also. I can't believe that

13203
07:39:28,848 --> 07:39:29,916
all the people disappointed

13204
07:39:29,916 --> 07:39:31,351
walk out again like it's so

13205
07:39:31,351 --> 07:39:32,520
crazy to see a bunch of

13206
07:39:32,520 --> 07:39:32,753
constituents come in here and

13207
07:39:32,753 --> 07:39:35,222
tell you all that stuff. And

13208
07:39:35,222 --> 07:39:37,325
then Mike Walkout all crying.

13209
07:39:37,325 --> 07:39:38,191
You're losing the faith of

13210
07:39:38,191 --> 07:39:38,792
people like that. That's also

13211
07:39:38,792 --> 07:39:40,962
the same thing when the

13212
07:39:40,962 --> 07:39:42,463
Freeman thing with the hotel,

13213
07:39:42,463 --> 07:39:43,264
what I didn't see was a bunch

13214
07:39:43,264 --> 07:39:43,965
of disappointed people walking

13215
07:39:43,965 --> 07:39:46,834
out when there was the creepy

13216
07:39:46,834 --> 07:39:47,502
hotel. Arming the creepy

13217
07:39:47,502 --> 07:39:49,902
apartment. We're gonna put

13218
07:39:50,538 --> 07:39:52,341
next to the school that was in

13219
07:39:52,341 --> 07:39:54,744
prior to it. So this is a

13220
07:39:54,744 --> 07:39:55,411
problem. We can't treat

13221
07:39:55,411 --> 07:39:57,580
briargate like it's better

13222
07:39:57,580 --> 07:39:58,381
than the south side of town.

13223
07:39:58,381 --> 07:40:01,918
We need to be treating every

13224
07:40:01,918 --> 07:40:02,652
we're like it's the same. I

13225
07:40:02,652 --> 07:40:03,387
honestly believe that you guys

13226
07:40:03,387 --> 07:40:06,560
would have allowed that hotel

13227
07:40:06,560 --> 07:40:06,690
or that apartment if it wasn't

13228
07:40:06,690 --> 07:40:09,690
in the briargate area and

13229
07:40:14,698 --> 07:40:17,368
that's a problem. The data

13230
07:40:17,368 --> 07:40:18,350
center Dave, thank you for

13231
07:40:18,350 --> 07:40:20,435
really defending that. That

13232
07:40:23,575 --> 07:40:24,743
was spectacular. We don't want

13233
07:40:24,743 --> 07:40:25,411
that. And why are we amending

13234
07:40:25,411 --> 07:40:27,579
some weird zones? It's real

13235
07:40:27,579 --> 07:40:29,449
fishy. Let's just say,

13236
07:40:29,449 --> 07:40:31,451
Kimberly. Well, yeah. Last

13237
07:40:31,451 --> 07:40:32,985
time about not using our drug

13238
07:40:32,985 --> 07:40:36,560
money to fund the police like

13239
07:40:36,560 --> 07:40:39,860
we have a like at least as

13240
07:40:39,860 --> 07:40:40,427
citizen. I know we let drugs

13241
07:40:40,427 --> 07:40:41,194
in our city under the

13242
07:40:41,194 --> 07:40:41,929
condition that we were going

13243
07:40:41,929 --> 07:40:43,764
to use that money for schools

13244
07:40:43,764 --> 07:40:45,667
and trails and you do not tell

13245
07:40:45,667 --> 07:40:47,368
a Colorado resident that

13246
07:40:47,368 --> 07:40:49,400
you're going to spend their

13247
07:40:49,400 --> 07:40:50,772
money on trails and their kids

13248
07:40:50,772 --> 07:40:53,772
and spend it on. Addressing

13249
07:40:55,577 --> 07:40:57,977
people. My brother's doing

13250
07:40:58,810 --> 07:41:00,116
very well. He was forced into

13251
07:41:00,116 --> 07:41:01,517
some help. He's now home. He's

13252
07:41:01,517 --> 07:41:04,320
healthy. He's off drugs and

13253
07:41:04,320 --> 07:41:05,254
he's my brother again. So I

13254
07:41:05,254 --> 07:41:06,220
just want to remind you, you

13255
07:41:06,220 --> 07:41:08,892
can put that money somewhere

13256
07:41:08,892 --> 07:41:10,761
where it can actually. But

13257
07:41:10,761 --> 07:41:12,761
someone back into

13258
07:41:15,767 --> 07:41:18,767
>> being an ok position? You

13259
07:41:18,770 --> 07:41:19,671
know, we're going to have

13260
07:41:19,671 --> 07:41:20,305
>> Project Taurus thing come

13261
07:41:20,305 --> 07:41:22,305
up. Obviously everyone's

13262
07:41:23,800 --> 07:41:24,776
thinking about it. I want you

13263
07:41:24,776 --> 07:41:26,945
guys to really think about,

13264
07:41:26,945 --> 07:41:29,815
you know, the Fremont group,

13265
07:41:29,815 --> 07:41:30,515
this group that you just walk

13266
07:41:30,515 --> 07:41:31,217
out like when everybody gets

13267
07:41:31,217 --> 07:41:32,585
their butts happened here and

13268
07:41:32,585 --> 07:41:33,953
comes in here and 6 are all.

13269
07:41:33,953 --> 07:41:34,186
That's what you understand. It

13270
07:41:34,186 --> 07:41:34,449
s#

13271
07:41:34,449 --> 07:41:34,597
#

13272
07:41:34,597 --> 07:41:34,720
#

13273
07:41:34,720 --> 07:41:34,936
#

13274
07:41:34,936 --> 07:41:35,554
. It's hard to get down

13275
07:41:35,554 --> 07:41:38,659
here. It's hard. You guys have

13276
07:41:38,659 --> 07:41:40,694
at least some nice chairs, but

13277
07:41:40,694 --> 07:41:42,797
it's it's hard really, really

13278
07:41:42,797 --> 07:41:43,497
think about the constituents

13279
07:41:43,497 --> 07:41:44,932
points that when they come in

13280
07:41:44,932 --> 07:41:45,867
here, how can entire room be

13281
07:41:45,867 --> 07:41:48,867
like for something is against

13282
07:41:50,905 --> 07:41:51,572
type of thing? I I want

13283
07:41:51,572 --> 07:41:54,276
>> I want to look each and

13284
07:41:54,276 --> 07:41:57,450
every one of you in the eye.

13285
07:41:57,450 --> 07:41:59,445
>> Everyone, anyone. All of

13286
07:42:03,319 --> 07:42:04,254
ok? When the vote comes for

13287
07:42:04,254 --> 07:42:05,388
project Taurus, everyone is

13288
07:42:05,388 --> 07:42:08,425
going to see, you know, one in

13289
07:42:08,425 --> 07:42:09,250
this city wants a data center.

13290
07:42:09,250 --> 07:42:11,610
>> So I don't care what

13291
07:42:11,610 --> 07:42:14,610
millions of dollars of taxes.

13292
07:42:15,566 --> 07:42:16,601
What they offer you. The

13293
07:42:16,601 --> 07:42:17,835
answer is no. And you guys all

13294
07:42:17,835 --> 07:42:21,272
know And I want to see that in

13295
07:42:21,272 --> 07:42:22,540
action. And gold.

13296
07:42:22,540 --> 07:42:23,175
>> Hi, Taylor. Thanks for

13297
07:42:23,175 --> 07:42:23,842
being here. Just point of

13298
07:42:23,842 --> 07:42:26,412
order because I think it's

13299
07:42:26,412 --> 07:42:28,480
important to make sure that

13300
07:42:28,480 --> 07:42:31,350
we're operating off the same

13301
07:42:31,350 --> 07:42:32,852
page of information when we

13302
07:42:32,852 --> 07:42:34,353
voted allocate the

13303
07:42:34,353 --> 07:42:35,870
recreational marijuana

13304
07:42:35,870 --> 07:42:36,890
revenue. It was for 3 buckets

13305
07:42:36,890 --> 07:42:39,290
and those 3 buckets for

13306
07:42:39,892 --> 07:42:41,361
specifically public safety

13307
07:42:41,361 --> 07:42:41,962
programs, mental health and

13308
07:42:41,962 --> 07:42:44,362
pts tree treatment for

13309
07:42:47,501 --> 07:42:48,302
veterans. So those were the

13310
07:42:48,302 --> 07:42:48,970
the last month, the matter

13311
07:42:48,970 --> 07:42:50,304
told correctly, so that so

13312
07:42:50,304 --> 07:42:53,341
it's not it's there's a lot of

13313
07:42:53,341 --> 07:42:54,676
confusion about like schools

13314
07:42:54,676 --> 07:42:55,477
and trails as you that we

13315
07:42:55,477 --> 07:42:56,111
should be using it from the

13316
07:42:56,111 --> 07:42:57,780
mental health peace, not

13317
07:42:57,780 --> 07:42:59,780
security.

13318
07:43:00,148 --> 07:43:02,148
>> COUNCILMAN, rainy. Thank

13319
07:43:03,520 --> 07:43:04,386
you, MADAM PRESIDENT. That's

13320
07:43:04,386 --> 07:43:05,721
right. It's same thing I just

13321
07:43:05,721 --> 07:43:06,289
want to make to

13322
07:43:06,289 --> 07:43:06,956
clarifications. Now a

13323
07:43:06,956 --> 07:43:09,356
clarification number one on

13324
07:43:10,126 --> 07:43:10,927
the Briargate project.

13325
07:43:10,927 --> 07:43:12,927
>> That project fail

13326
07:43:14,464 --> 07:43:15,198
unanimously body council. So

13327
07:43:15,198 --> 07:43:19,398
just want to make sure just so

13328
07:43:19,604 --> 07:43:22,604
weird. Usually guys failed But

13329
07:43:23,808 --> 07:43:24,609
made a lot of person like

13330
07:43:24,609 --> 07:43:27,609
comments about will in this

13331
07:43:28,413 --> 07:43:30,482
area in this side of town.

13332
07:43:30,482 --> 07:43:31,149
>> Let's not pretend I

13333
07:43:31,149 --> 07:43:31,817
understand briargate. It's

13334
07:43:31,817 --> 07:43:34,653
nice, but I want the entire

13335
07:43:34,653 --> 07:43:35,354
city nice.

13336
07:43:35,354 --> 07:43:38,354
>> And the to my colleague's

13337
07:43:40,590 --> 07:43:40,727
comment. In that in those 3

13338
07:43:40,727 --> 07:43:42,295
buckets. Yes, there's funds

13339
07:43:42,295 --> 07:43:44,431
that went to public safety

13340
07:43:44,431 --> 07:43:46,266
peace, but there are also

13341
07:43:46,266 --> 07:43:48,168
funds that I actually lead

13342
07:43:48,168 --> 07:43:49,937
that went to ptsd for

13343
07:43:49,937 --> 07:43:51,138
veterans. So I just want to

13344
07:43:51,138 --> 07:43:51,872
make sure I want to tell her

13345
07:43:51,872 --> 07:43:52,773
that I just don't want any

13346
07:43:52,773 --> 07:43:55,773
drug money going to hire

13347
07:43:56,845 --> 07:43:57,445
folks.

13348
07:43:57,445 --> 07:43:58,146
>> We're not the mob or

13349
07:43:58,146 --> 07:43:58,847
something we did. We need to

13350
07:43:58,847 --> 07:44:00,248
be careful what we spend our

13351
07:44:00,248 --> 07:44:01,950
drug money on.

13352
07:44:01,950 --> 07:44:04,350
>> just know, it looks

13353
07:44:04,653 --> 07:44:05,287
different. It is different I

13354
07:44:05,287 --> 07:44:07,687
appreciate Thank you for

13355
07:44:08,991 --> 07:44:11,391
asking questions. I really

13356
07:44:11,428 --> 07:44:12,950
appreciate you guys long, hard

13357
07:44:12,950 --> 07:44:13,960
days. It's not always easy.

13358
07:44:13,960 --> 07:44:15,960
Obviously some things.

13359
07:44:15,699 --> 07:44:16,433
>> It could go either way. But

13360
07:44:16,433 --> 07:44:17,167
I really do appreciate you

13361
07:44:17,167 --> 07:44:20,167
guys. It's heart keep standing

13362
07:44:20,170 --> 07:44:20,838
up.

13363
07:44:20,838 --> 07:44:24,438
>> Thank u next. If we have

13364
07:44:33,685 --> 07:44:35,685
Kyle Mcguffey.

13365
07:44:38,591 --> 07:44:39,625
>> Hello, good afternoon. My

13366
07:44:39,625 --> 07:44:41,127
name is Khan. We got the time

13367
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today. I'm here today to speak

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about 2 separate transparency

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07:44:43,763 --> 07:44:45,763
concerns involving project

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07:44:46,399 --> 07:44:48,402
Taurus and the city's use of

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surveillance technology. First

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07:44:49,469 --> 07:44:50,337
project Taurus is currently

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07:44:50,337 --> 07:44:51,370
being appealed. And city

13374
07:44:51,370 --> 07:44:51,672
council is scheduled to hear

13375
07:44:51,672 --> 07:44:54,720
that appeal in SEPTEMBER.

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17th. The issue I want to

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raise is not whether SEPTEMBER

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17th falls within that time

13379
07:44:59,880 --> 07:45:02,880
frame allowed by city code

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because it does. Issue is how

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that particular date was

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selected before the hearing

13383
07:45:07,956 --> 07:45:08,690
date was finalize. That

13384
07:45:08,690 --> 07:45:11,690
feelings were asked to provide

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07:45:13,329 --> 07:45:15,329
scheduling considerations one

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07:45:15,364 --> 07:45:16,650
it provided dates. They would

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07:45:16,650 --> 07:45:16,699
be unavailable. And another

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07:45:16,699 --> 07:45:18,468
proposed the last week of

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07:45:18,468 --> 07:45:20,403
SEPTEMBER for the first week

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07:45:20,403 --> 07:45:21,271
of OCTOBER, which was also

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07:45:21,271 --> 07:45:24,271
workable for the other group.

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07:45:24,708 --> 07:45:25,409
SEPTEMBER 17th was selected in

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07:45:25,409 --> 07:45:26,143
both. The parent groups have

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07:45:26,143 --> 07:45:28,543
documented conflicts with that

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07:45:29,981 --> 07:45:30,648
date. The city responded that

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07:45:30,648 --> 07:45:33,480
SEPTEMBER 17th falls within

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07:45:33,351 --> 07:45:33,985
the allowable window. And that

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07:45:33,985 --> 07:45:36,870
council has discretion to

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07:45:36,870 --> 07:45:36,788
select the hearing date. But

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07:45:36,788 --> 07:45:39,188
that answers whether Council

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07:45:40,459 --> 07:45:41,159
can. But answers whether

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07:45:41,159 --> 07:45:43,559
Council can choose SEPTEMBER

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07:45:43,796 --> 07:45:46,796
17th. It doesn't answer. Why

13404
07:45:47,767 --> 07:45:48,802
SEPTEMBER 17th was chosen. The

13405
07:45:48,802 --> 07:45:50,802
allowable window reportedly

13406
07:45:50,837 --> 07:45:51,505
continues through OCTOBER.

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07:45:51,505 --> 07:45:52,172
3rd, if there's a specific

13408
07:45:52,172 --> 07:45:54,572
reason SEPTEMBER 17th needs

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07:45:55,676 --> 07:45:56,477
remain the hearing, I think

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council should simply explain

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07:45:58,145 --> 07:46:00,481
that reason put it into the

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record books if there is. And

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I think council should

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07:46:01,749 --> 07:46:04,149
consider another day within

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07:46:04,352 --> 07:46:05,587
the allowable window that

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07:46:05,587 --> 07:46:07,655
gives both appealing groups a

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07:46:07,655 --> 07:46:08,890
meaningful opportunity to

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07:46:08,890 --> 07:46:10,892
participate. I also want to

13419
07:46:10,892 --> 07:46:12,928
raise a separate transparency

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07:46:12,928 --> 07:46:14,597
concerning on JULY 28th I

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07:46:14,597 --> 07:46:15,498
submitted a public records

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07:46:15,498 --> 07:46:16,732
request to Colorado Springs

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07:46:16,732 --> 07:46:17,433
Police Department Automated

13424
07:46:17,433 --> 07:46:19,833
license plate reader records

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07:46:21,671 --> 07:46:22,372
tied to a specific vehicle

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07:46:22,372 --> 07:46:24,372
including detections access

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07:46:27,411 --> 07:46:28,445
logs, alerts, access with the

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07:46:28,445 --> 07:46:29,146
owners signed authorization.

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07:46:29,146 --> 07:46:31,480
Cspd says an internal do day

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07:46:31,480 --> 07:46:31,749
of AUGUST. 11th which a

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07:46:31,749 --> 07:46:33,749
technician later acknowledged

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07:46:35,153 --> 07:46:36,487
had been missed. The request

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07:46:36,487 --> 07:46:37,588
was denied on AUGUST 17th. In

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07:46:37,588 --> 07:46:39,357
that same day, I asked

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07:46:39,357 --> 07:46:41,593
specific grounds for that than

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07:46:41,593 --> 07:46:42,328
I do. I still have not

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07:46:42,328 --> 07:46:43,280
received that written response

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07:46:43,280 --> 07:46:46,280
citing the law or regulation

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07:46:46,965 --> 07:46:48,801
supporting that. Under

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07:46:48,801 --> 07:46:49,568
Colorado revised statute

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07:46:49,568 --> 07:46:51,568
section 2, 4, dash, 7, 2, dash

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07:46:52,939 --> 07:46:53,639
3, 0, by subsection 6 when

13443
07:46:53,639 --> 07:46:56,639
access to a criminal justice

13444
07:46:57,430 --> 07:46:58,612
record is denied the requester

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07:46:58,612 --> 07:46:59,346
can for a written statement

13446
07:46:59,346 --> 07:47:01,746
explore explaining the grounds

13447
07:47:02,490 --> 07:47:02,716
for that than I do in that

13448
07:47:02,716 --> 07:47:05,116
statement must be provided

13449
07:47:06,353 --> 07:47:07,956
within 72 hours. I've

13450
07:47:07,956 --> 07:47:08,856
continued following up with

13451
07:47:08,856 --> 07:47:10,793
Cspd. Sorry. I continue

13452
07:47:10,793 --> 07:47:14,930
pulling up in Cspd has told me

13453
07:47:14,930 --> 07:47:16,399
the request is being reviewed

13454
07:47:16,399 --> 07:47:17,132
as technology expands,

13455
07:47:17,132 --> 07:47:17,766
residents should be able to

13456
07:47:17,766 --> 07:47:20,166
understand what the city

13457
07:47:20,736 --> 07:47:22,506
operates. What it collects and

13458
07:47:22,506 --> 07:47:23,539
why related records are

13459
07:47:23,539 --> 07:47:26,476
withheld. I would prefer to

13460
07:47:26,476 --> 07:47:27,811
resolve this administratively.

13461
07:47:27,811 --> 07:47:29,413
But I am considering the

13462
07:47:29,413 --> 07:47:31,413
courtroom money available

13463
07:47:31,415 --> 07:47:31,983
under Section 2, 4, 7, 2 Dash,

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07:47:31,983 --> 07:47:33,983
305 subsection 6, if

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07:47:37,388 --> 07:47:39,291
necessary. Whether it's a

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07:47:39,291 --> 07:47:40,325
project tours or surveillance

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07:47:40,325 --> 07:47:41,250
technology, the public to

13468
07:47:41,250 --> 07:47:43,829
understand not just what the

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07:47:43,829 --> 07:47:45,631
city can do, but why doesn't?

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07:47:45,631 --> 07:47:48,310
Thank COUNCILMAN Gold. Thank

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07:47:48,701 --> 07:47:49,402
you. MADAM PRESIDENT.

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07:47:49,402 --> 07:47:50,369
>> Kyle, MAY I ask, how long

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07:47:50,369 --> 07:47:51,871
have you been here today?

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07:47:51,871 --> 07:47:53,871
>> Since 09:00am.

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07:47:55,642 --> 07:47:58,745
>> I thought so ask how old

13476
07:47:58,745 --> 07:48:00,614
are you? I'm 14 years old. 14.

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07:48:00,614 --> 07:48:01,648
I don't have a specific

13478
07:48:01,648 --> 07:48:02,315
response to the nature of your

13479
07:48:02,315 --> 07:48:04,252
comments, but I just really

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07:48:04,252 --> 07:48:06,988
want to commend you for your

13481
07:48:06,988 --> 07:48:08,423
patience and your courage.

13482
07:48:08,423 --> 07:48:09,658
It's really delightful to see

13483
07:48:09,658 --> 07:48:10,358
somebody as young as you Sow

13484
07:48:10,358 --> 07:48:13,358
engaged. Thank you. Thank you

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07:48:14,363 --> 07:48:15,630
so much.

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07:48:15,630 --> 07:48:17,333
>> And that does and our

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07:48:17,333 --> 07:48:19,000
citizens comments for today.