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yes we can't there's no image of it for

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the city or anyone but

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audio as long as everybody can

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hear

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okay good evening everyone and welcome

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to tonight's Columbus common Council

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regular meeting mayor Hammer is on

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vacation tonight so I will be leading

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both meetings

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tonight um it is Tuesday January 23rd

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and it is uh 6:34 p.m. and Pat if I

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could have a roll call

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gray present motive present Reed here

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Roki present Steiner

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okay uh mayor hammer and Alder finkler

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are EXC used and then uh if you could

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please join me for the Pledge of

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Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it stands one

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nation God indivisible withy and justice

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for

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all tonight's meeting has been properly

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noticed and uh at this time I will will

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take a motion to approve tonight's

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agenda Alder Motif will make a motion to

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approve tonight's agenda Steiner can

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second thank you I have a motion from

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Alder Motif and a second from Alder

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Steiner any

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discussion all those in favor I I any

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opposed all right uh at this time uh we

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will open the floor up to correspondence

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and communication looks like I did have

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one person signed the signin sheet David

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did you want to speak at the regular

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meeting or at the Cow

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um okay go ahead and step up to the

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podium the mic is on if you would please

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just State your full name and your

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address of residence absolutely uh David

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J St 551 West Harrison Street Columbus

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Wisconsin um as new residents of

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Columbus Brian and I are still staunchly

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opposed to raising the historic Dy Farm

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in favor of uh 2 and a half acres or

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less of housing um anyone who fails the

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same I I encourage them to visit saved

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.org U that's a website we created to

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help save the farm um The public's kind

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of still waiting for an explanation from

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the mayor as to why the deal was dead uh

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it was said that there was a stalemate

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negotiation any stalemate must have been

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internal to the city government because

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as far as we could tell negotiations

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were proceeding well and in good faith

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um the mayor also said that public

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support was split on that topic uh he

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may recall a meeting that he attended in

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September with our attorney where he and

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the city staff said that public

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involvement and the discussion was not

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productive um so as a result when people

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would ask us what can we do to help we

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would say hey just let let the process

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run its course right uh and then

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essentially we were told to tone down

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public support and then the mayor

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claimed that the public wasn't

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supportive enough which seems a bit

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paradoxical to

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us finally concerns about arpa look

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nothing changed about arpa between July

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25th and November 7th and furthermore

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our attorney called us the day after the

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vote happened and said that arpa wasn't

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discussed a single time during the

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negotiations not once

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um and the question remains like what

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was so compelling in the mayor's own

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research that his view completely

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changed from July 25th to November

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7th so now we here are again with the

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RFP for the dingi farm appearing on the

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city's website on 16th January uh this

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RFP was never voted on um at the

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December 5th meeting the RFP was

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discussed but no action was taken and in

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fact the motion was tabled to discuss at

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the January 9th meeting and then at the

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January 9th meeting it didn't appear on

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the agenda and it also wasn't discussed

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again

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um and then despite this the RFP

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appeared in the city website on January

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16th and is still up right now I I

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suggest that the council and mayor

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consult with the city staff about

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whether or not posting this RFP

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constitutes a violation of open meeting

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law um if I remember correctly at the

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conclusion of the last RFP process

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council members stated the process was

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rushed and therefore somehow flawed from

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the start it seems this time around the

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solution is to somehow go faster I I

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don't quite understand that this new RFP

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aims to have a contract awarded by the

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April elections assigned contract within

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3 mon months I mean let's put aside the

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fact that this city strung us along for

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5 months but how about some honesty

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about what the goals are here and why

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the pressure to move so quickly um our

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ask is simple that this decision on the

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farm be put off until after the election

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let people vote the way they feel about

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the farm it's become a hot button issue

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we understand that um that's all I'm

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here to ask about thanks so much for

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your time thank

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you I do have a letter to read in that

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was sent to the council as well um dated

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22nd and this is from uh Nathan R

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anenson address 253 Meadow Lane uh the

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letter States dear members of the

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Columbus city council I write to express

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my deep concern and frustration over the

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handling of the dingy Farm which has

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brought negative attention to Columbus

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due to the Reckless decisions of the

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city council and the misuse of taxpayer

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money the rushed decision to purchase

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dingy Farm using federal arpa funds

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without thorough consideration of its

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historical significance and suitability

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for housing development is deeply

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troubling discovering that only 2.5 of

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the 7.55 acres are usable for housing

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raises questions about the city

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council's due diligence in this matter

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such hasty decisions not only jeopardize

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the city's Financial interests but also

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risk the destruction of a valuable

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historical asset the public outcry

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underscores the community's strong

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opposition to Housing Development on

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that property and the potential

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demolition of dingi farm particularly

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disheartening is uh the dismissal of the

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only wellth thought out proposal

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submitted through the RFP process a

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Visionary plan presented by Dave and

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Brian The Proposal outlined a

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comprehensive timeline and vision for

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the farm that positioned it to become a

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destination in Columbus fostering the

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community engagement and cultural

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appreciation it is crucial to note that

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there were was a discussion in December

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to hold off on further action until

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February but no vote was taken to send

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the property out to RFP the timing of

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the release of the RFP or the property

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last week raises serious his concerns

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about the transparency and fairness of

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the process adding to the concerns is

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the lack of transparency regarding the

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rejection of the only submitted proposal

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I urge the mayor and the City attorney

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to release a detailed report explaining

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why the RFP from Dave and briyan was not

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selected the community deserves a clear

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understanding of the decision-making

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process and the criteria used to

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evaluate proposals additionally it is

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deeply troubling that the mayor has yet

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to produce any written evidence from his

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supposed research justifying the support

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for raising the property until concrete

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evidence surfaces the mayor's claim

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remains unsubstantiated and raises

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questions about the transparency of the

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decision-making process public support

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for such a drastic measure should be

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based on factual information and not

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left to

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conjecture it appears the city council

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is not genuinely interested in

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preserving history or listening to the

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concerns of the public the decision to

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get the property back on the tax rooll

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and sell it to the only party that

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submitted a proposal seems like a

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logical and responsible course of action

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Dave and Brian's plan aligns with the

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community's values offering a thoughtful

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and sustainable approach to dingy Farm's

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future I implore the city council to

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reconsider its stance prioritize

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historic preservation and rectify the

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negative image Columbus has acquired due

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to the imprudent decisions surrounding

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dingi Farm the community deserves a

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transparent and accountable government

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that values its history and actively

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engages with its constituents it is my

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sincere hope that the city council will

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take immediate action to correct the

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situation restore faith in the

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decision-making process and ensure

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dingji Farm is preserved for future

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Generations thank you for your attention

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to this urgent matter assigned Nathan R

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um I do know a couple of other people

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wandered in uh after Community

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correspondence and Communications began

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is there anybody who did not get a

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chance to sign up who wanted to speak at

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this meeting okay

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um is Alder

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GRE um I would just like a clarification

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Attorney Johnson um are citizen comment

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not by Orin me to be on topics that are

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actually on the agenda and if they are

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not on the agenda it needs a vote to be

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approved during citizen comments and

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citizen comments that aren't on the

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agenda are meant to go in between

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meetings according to ordinance we're

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supposed to have the time for them to

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talk to us about things that aren't on

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the agenda but this

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is allowing the gentleman in the

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audience to speak is one thing that's

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polite but reading a letter that isn't

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even an agenda item is completely

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against

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protocol

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um in my time in the city of

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Columbus the common Council has done

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pretty much the same thing uh with

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public comment which is to allow people

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to speak on any topic that they wish at

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uh during the public

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comment um

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the reading of letters into the record

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is something that is sometimes done and

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sometimes hasn't been done but the

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public comment has

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been um always on whatever topic anybody

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wants to speak on uh having said that I

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think that we should alter our ordinance

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if that's how we want it to do that is

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not thre and that's not how I conducted

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meeting Alder gray if you could please

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let Attorney Johnson finish yes I was

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trying to answer and I was going exactly

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down the path you were you wanted to go

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if you read your ordinance the ordinance

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uh I believe is very clear that all

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public comment is done at the end of the

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council meeting off

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camera uh and pretty much after all of

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the uh proceedings have been

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concluded and the in the 12 years that

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I've been uh with the city that has

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never happened

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uh so the ordinance says one thing your

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protocol is something completely

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different and it and I do not know how

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the protocol became what it is but that

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is what is so if you want to go back you

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certainly can and if you want to change

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how you want to do things you certainly

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can that just hasn't been the way it's

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been done for uh many many years um

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until recently we didn't have citizen

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comments on random iics that W on the

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agenda record a letter that was not on

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the agenda

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until we can address this another time

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this is also not on the agenda um

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anybody have any comments to add

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otherwise I'm going to move forward a

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point of order which I can do at any

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point in time it doesn't need to be on

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the

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agenda thank you hey I'd like to say

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something real quick uh citizen comment

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still is that okay we haven't moved past

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that yet all right I'm John sswi 841

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Park Avenue uh I'm a big-time uh

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historic Advocate I know you guys all

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know that I've been involved with the

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hlpc in the past and the auditorium

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Corporation in the past we do have a a

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pretty rare example of a intact

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Farmstead in Columbus I think a lot of

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people did like these guys' vision and I I know that a lot of talking to you

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guys singly you there's a lot of support

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for historic preservation but just not

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for this it seems like and I don't I

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don't really care what anybody's

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individual thought is on it but I just

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would like to see some some continuity

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from our Council and see people stop the

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infighting get together and get back to

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work this is an embarrassment come on

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you're better than

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that go ahead

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I'm Ruth Hermanson 986 Warner Street

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Columbus Wisconsin highly involved in

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the historic preservation of this

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community I would just like to add yes

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let let's put our best foot forward and

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look together work together and with

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democracy um you know

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individuals you were all elected and to

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represent your

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constituents that live in your district

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and I feel that you have to put that

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above your own self feelings and that's

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all I'm going to say thank

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you next item on the agenda is to

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approve tonight's consent agenda I will

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take a motion for that at this

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time I'll motive will make a motion to

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approve tonight's consent agenda read V

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seconds thank you I have a motion from

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Alder motive and a second from Alder

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Reed is there any

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discussion

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okay um all those in favor I any

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opposed okay uh consent agenda is

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approved first item up for new business

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is to consider and take action on

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agreement designating Highway 73 as a

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connecting Highway and so I'm looking

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for a motion to approve

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um agreement for connecting Highway

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change I know the packet does not

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include the number but um at the last

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meeting as a reminder Jason Lea says he

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does have that number and it doesn't

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impact the decision so I'm looking for a

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motion to

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approve uh Reed will move move to make

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Highway 73

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um west

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of

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89 to Heritage way uh connecting

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Highway aler motive full second okay I

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have a motion from Alder Reed and a

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second from Alder Motif is there any

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discussion okay hearing none all those

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in favor I any

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opposed okay motion carries next item on

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the agenda is to consider and take

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action on the conditional use permit for

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marquart RV

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LLC um looking for a motion to

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approve Al steinon will make a motion to

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approve the cup for Mar cour RV

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LLC Alder Motif will second thank you I

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have a motion from Alder Seiner and a

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second from Alder Motif is there any

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discussion yes okay

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thank you it's the voice of it's not the

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voice of God but it's the voice of

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um if you re if you look at the uh staff

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memo that is in your packet uh if you

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please will incorporate conditions 1

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through 11 into your motion I would

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greatly appreciate

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it uh Al Steiner will resend last motion

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and make a new motion to approve the

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conditional use permit from Mark Court

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RV LLC with the conditions 1- 11 as

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stated in the memo thank you Alder

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motive will uh second the

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altered

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motion okay I have a uh motion from

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Alder Steiner and a second from Alder

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Motif any further

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discussion Al oh uh well now I have a

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question uh so this is not changing

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ownership there's a renter that's going

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to now have RVs instead of

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cars ises my understanding yes okay I'm

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the owner of the two properties I can

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answer

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question okay yeah go ahead yes please

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oh up to the mic

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sorry we're Audio Only

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today hi my name my name is Troy Gates

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I'm the owner of gates Auto in uh Gates

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home properties so um marcard RV is

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buying the 200 Commerce building for

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myself Gat Stone properties that was the

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former shopo building and they're

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converting that into a um markart RV

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dealership thank you thank you you're

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welcome anything

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else any further questions or

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discussion okay uh seeing none since we

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do have a uh Motion in a second I will

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I'm looking for a vote all those in

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favor I I I any any

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opposed okay motion passes next item on

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the agenda is to consider and take

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action on salaried sworn officers

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overtime uh paid for by the Grant and

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I'm looking for a motion to

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approve Alder motive will make a motion

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to approve the salaried sworn members of

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the Columbus Police Department

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to be eligible to earn overtime

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exclusively for Highway Safety

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enforcement Grant

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programs Steiner can second I have a

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motion from Alder moti and a second from

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Alder Steiner any further discussion or

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questions okay hearing none all those in

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favor we a roll call oh do we need a

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roll call on oh we do my apologies

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because there is a

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pay involved we will need a roll call

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vote on

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this

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great

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I um motive I Reed I Roki I Steiner I

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motion

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carries okay uh next item on the agenda

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is to consider and take action

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concerning ordinance number

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78624 an ordinance to repeal and

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recreate section 1026 one of the city of

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Columbus code of

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ordinances and the first item I'm

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looking for is to consider and take

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action to suspend the rules for

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ordinance

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78624 can I don't think we

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can Alder Steiner will make a motion to

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suspend the rules for ordinance 78

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6-24 Alder motive for second

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okay I have a motion from Alder Steiner

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and a second from Alder motive to

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suspend the rules for ordinance

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78624 any

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discussion okay do we need do we need a

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roll call for this as well Pat okay all

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those in favor I any

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opposed okay uh the next item would be

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to consider and take action to wave the

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reading for ordinance

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78624 all stand will make the motion to

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wave the readings for ordinance

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786-2412 okay I have a motion from Alder

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Steiner and a second from Alder motive

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to wave the readings for ordinance

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78624 any

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discussion okay hearing none all those

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in favor I I I I any

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opposed okay and uh the next item is to

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take action to adopt ordinance 7

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86-24 H Steiner will'll take action to

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adopt the ordinance make a motion to

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adopt the ordinance

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78624 motive will second okay I have a

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motion from Alder Steiner and a second

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from Alder motive to adopt ordinance

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78624 any

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discussion okay hearing none all those

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in favor I okay any opposed

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all right the ordinance passes um next

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item on the agenda is to consider and

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take action to carry forward designated

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funds um this Crystal did you have

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anything to we talked about it two weeks

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ago

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but any questions or okay then I'll take

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a motion to uh carry forward designated

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funds Alder Motif will make a motion to

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um

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to move unspent designated funds to the

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general fund uh totaling

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79358

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48 for three future projects one fir Tru

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Restoration in the amount of 27

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35848 two fire pumper truck purchase in

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the amount of

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350,000 and and

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three public safety building in the

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amount of

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45,700 Steiner can

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second okay I have a motion from Alder

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MTI and a second from Alder Steiner any

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discussion Alder Reed oh thank you uh I

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had a question on the language

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so um it was to move all of those funds

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and then it was said to the general

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funds but um should we have stated to

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the general fund as

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designated I'm not sure did I say back

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yes myself sorry guys I said it

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backwards um I'm gonna alter that

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motion and we are going to take the

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unspent general funds and move them to

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Des designated funds and do I need

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to say all the designations

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again think so just as read before as

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read

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before thank you Steiner will second

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that okay have a motion from Alder Motif

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and a second from Alder Steiner and I

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will take a roll call vote

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please great

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I motive I Reed I Roki I Steiner I

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motion carries

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okay uh the next item on the agenda is

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to consider and take action on the CH

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LPC water tower

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fund I will take a moment and speak for

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this item because we did have some

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questions last time so we do have two

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members from the historical group here

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to speak if you'd like they can

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personally vouch for um the request that

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is being presented to you we

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specifically

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discussed the design the two pieces of

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designated funds that have been sitting

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in designated funds for several years

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one of which was

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1,580 39 cents classified as City Hall

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Clock Tower repairs and um

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it's consensus that even if it was Clock

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Tower it's not necessary to be Clock

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Tower and they would like those move to

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the water tower fund um and also the

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2006

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4971 that was classified histor

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preservation so if you'd like to just

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take a moment I'll let them vouch for

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what you're seeing here

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[Applause]

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good evening Henry Ellen I'm the

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secretary of the historic preservation

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and landmarks commission uh 650 South

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Charles Street I'm very grateful that

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the treasurer brought this forward and

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uh we have discussed additional funds

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that are sitting in the various City uh

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Records at the historic preservation

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commission and our hope is to have this

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money along with the additional money on

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the other account forwarded for us into

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our uh maintenance of the water tower we

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have that set aside for long term

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because there's the potential that there

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would be additional need for work on the

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tower itself and we're hoping to acquire

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up to $25,000 into that fund and at that

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point then we'll find another place to

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start setting aside monies for other

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historic properties but the primary use

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of this would be if there was tuck

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pointing required especially up towards

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the the top of the building you'd have

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to have a speal special equipment that

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would be needed for that

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so that's our hope thank

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you just a note for when you're what do

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you call it when you're reading

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your the the motion yeah if you wouldn't

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mind specifically stating that

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there's the four pieces because they are

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two designated funds right now that need

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to be included and if you look at the

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little summary above where it says

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listed

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support though um there's all the dollar

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amounts so 1,500 from the 2022 budget

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1500 from the 2023 budget and the two

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designated funds

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that way I can move them correctly take

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get taken care so then the total you're

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looking for crystal is the 7,230 And1

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okay thank

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you all right um so I will take a motion

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to um move the

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$723 and10 forward um for CHL LPC water

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tower

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funds okay aler gray moves to um for the

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to move the

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$723 10 cents which includes the $1,500

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from 2022 15500 from 2023 in the water

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tower fund the

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15839 and the 2006

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4971 um to be moved and given to the CH

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LPC for future water tower projects um

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in fun two 5 3

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474 Alder Steiner second okay I have a

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motion from Alder gray and a second from

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Alder Steiner any

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discussion okay can I please have a roll

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call

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Pat motive I Reed I Roki I Steiner I gr

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I motion carries okay thank you next

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item on the agenda is to consider and

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take action on salary adjustment during

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Public Works superintendent

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vacancy um so specifically what I'm

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looking for is a motion to approve back

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pay amounting to

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$3,675 uh which is 49 weeks at $75 per

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week from 2023 and a weekly stipend of

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$75 starting the first pay period in

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February um or we could uh according to

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Pat choose to begin going forward

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immediately um at our discretion uh for

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the DP W administrative assistant and

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the stien to be reviewed by the city

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administrator and mayor do not

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have in our

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packets I she just gave that to me to

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read uh Al their Motif will make a

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motion to approve back pay in the amount

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of

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$3,675 from 2023 and a weekly stipend of

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$75 starting the first pay period of

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February for the DPW administrative

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assistant and the stien be reviewed by

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the city administrator and the

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mayor

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yeah read a second okay I have a motion

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from Alder Motif and a second from Alder

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Reed any

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discussion okay hearing none um can I

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please have a roll call P

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Reed I Roki I Steiner I

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00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:10,560
gray i m i motion carries thank you next

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item on the agenda is to consider and

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take action on claims in the amount of

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2,315

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1847 Alder Motif will make a motion to

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approve the claims in the amount of 2,

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315,000

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$847 Steiner was second okay I have a

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motion from Alder motive and a second

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00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,440
from Alder Steiner any

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00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480
discussion okay may I please have a roll

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call Pat R key I Steiner I

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00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:53,520
gray I mo i Reed I motion carries okay

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,639
next on the agenda is report of City

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officers um Matt did you have a report

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for

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today um just three items briefly to

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00:35:04,359 --> 00:35:06,880
educate the council in public on um you

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00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,320
may have noticed we're doing recap of

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Council meetings and trying to post

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those on the website and social media

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the day after Council meetings just to

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kind of give a recap and and summarize

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the action taken by Council um secondly

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uh you may have also noticed that um

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earlier today agenda comments were

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posted just trying to better explain and

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summarize the items on the council

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agenda those were also on the website

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and link to social media as well uh my

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goals in moving forward is to get those

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out on Friday along with the agenda

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packet but again just trying to kind of

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provide some greater clarification

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sometimes the agendas are are the items

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on the agenda get succinct and and are

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hard to maybe understand if you haven't

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00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,640
served on counselor or are regularly in

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city meetings so just two things that

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we're doing to try and um kind of

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increase of of what the council is is

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doing both um as a recap and leading up

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to meetings and then third um you know

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as I've met with staff and Council it's

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clear that 2023 was a significant year

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of transition for the city of Columbus

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um one of my goals for 2024 is to create

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an action plan um so that it 2024 isn't

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also viewed as another year of

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transition and so um my hope is for the

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next cow meeting uh in February that

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we're able to kind of review that action

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plan that I've worked um starting

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tomorrow with staff on and and bring to

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you um at the next meeting that's all I

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have okay and I don't have any comments

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on the mayor's behalf or my own so with

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that um I will take a motion to

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adjourn Motif will make a motion to

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adjourn Steiner will second okay I have

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
a motion from Alder Motif and a second

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,760
from Alder Steiner any

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,920
discussion okay all those in favor

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00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,359
I we are adjourned does anybody need a

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break before we go into the next meeting

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or should we just roll right into

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it

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okay Ian are you good to just roll right

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into the next meeting

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okay good in that case good evening

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ladies and gentlemen again and welcome

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to tonight's Columbus common Council

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Committee of the whole meeting it is

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Tuesday January 23rd it is 7:07 p.m. and

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with that I will take a roll

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call

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gr

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present motive present Reed here Roki

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present Steiner here vinkler and Hammer

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00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,480
excused okay tonight's meeting has been

733
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,079
properly noticed and I'm looking for a

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00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:08,750
motion to approve tonight's

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agenda Alder Motif will make a motion to

736
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,079
approve tonight's

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00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,640
agenda Steiner will second okay I have a

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00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,240
motion from Alder motiff and a second

739
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,000
from Alder Steiner any

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00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,640
discussion okay all those in favor I I I

741
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any opposed

742
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,480
okay we have approved the agenda um I

743
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,800
didn't see anybody else signed up for

744
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,800
citizen comments just one more time is

745
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,640
there anybody here who go ahead

746
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,800
Henry just ask that you turn the mic

747
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,800
back on and then restate your name and

748
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,760
address for the record thank you very

749
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160
much Henry Ellen 650 South Charles

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Street uh Secretary of the historic

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00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,839
preservation commission I see on your

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agenda that you have uh discussion about

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00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,880
the the amended and updated historic

754
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,240
preservation ordinance I hope that you

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will be able to forward this to the plan

756
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,160
commission this evening I encourage you

757
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,280
to do that I'm excited that you will be

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able to do that um it's my understanding

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that upon submission to the plan

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commission they will review it and then

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schedule a public hearing and my only

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00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,319
request is that uh the secretary of the

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plan commission would send the historic

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preservation Commissioners a notice

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about that public hearing so we know

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when it's coming thank you thank

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00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,470
you anybody else with public

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comments

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okay included in your packet tonight you

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will find Department reports from fire

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Library LifeStar police treasure and

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wastewater treatment

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plants um next item on the agenda is to

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discuss tobacco license application for

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00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,520
last minute Vape I didn't know if we had

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00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920
anybody here who wanted to speak on

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that um doesn't look like it so I'll

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open up the floor for any um discussion

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00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,030
comments

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questions there any reason it came to

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yeah all all

782
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,280
yeah are we comfortable moving this

783
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,880
forward for vote in two weeks okay um

784
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next I item on the agenda is to discuss

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purchase of rural fir Tru and Crystal

786
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,430
did you want to speak on that

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00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:57,670
one give me just a moment sure yeah

788
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,839
Madam president I have a few comments to

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get things going certainly by all

790
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means this is something that I am not

791
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,359
sure uh if the council knows anything

792
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:13,280
about this or if they do know something

793
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,760
about this I'm not sure how much um but

794
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what is before you uh I think and I and

795
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before I say anything else I'm not sure

796
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,280
how much I know about this to be quite

797
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,599
honest but what I think is before you is

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a request from the rural Fire Group to

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contribute to the purchase of a

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new uh fire truck that will

801
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,720
replace um an existing piece of

802
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,200
equipment uh that is used by the fire

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00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,839
department and the rural Fire Group uh

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00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:51,359
the city

805
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is party to an agreement with the rural

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00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Fire group that directs and dictates how

807
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,440
some of the equipment is bought and used

808
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and paid for um this is one of those uh

809
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,680
pieces of equipment uh the piece of

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equipment that they're looking to

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replace is number 92 which currently is

812
00:42:14,839 --> 00:42:19,520
the 2000 Pierce saer pumper and it is

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specifically referenced in the agreement

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between the Fire group and the city that

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dates back to

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2018 um it's a jointly owned piece of

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00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,119
equipment um and I think they're looking

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to replace it what I don't know the

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answer to and and the reason that I

820
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wanted to jump in right here is that

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there's nothing in the current agreement

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with the fire group that says what the

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process is

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for re purchasing a replacement piece of

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00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:52,359
equipment there's nothing in the

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agreement that says uh what happens uh

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to the piece of equipment that's being

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replaced there's really just no rules in

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,839
this current agreement with the fire

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group as to how this is supposed to be

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handled um I I I'm I'm not saying that

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to oppose this project or anything like

833
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,319
that but what I am suggesting is that if

834
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:19,079
this is going to move forward between

835
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,240
the time of now and the time of delivery

836
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,880
of the new truck if that occurs the city

837
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,400
and the Fire Group uh really should sit

838
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,640
down and review the agreement that they

839
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,599
have in place and make some amendments

840
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,920
to take into consideration this

841
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,359
particular

842
00:43:36,359 --> 00:43:39,960
transaction um and that's all I have for

843
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,349
now okay thank you Chrystal go

844
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,079
ahead

845
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,760
ditto yeah we we have discussed those

846
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,200
items um this is the replacement truck

847
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,000
as Paul noted and it would be a 50/50

848
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,359
share and they're basing it on that the

849
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:05,240
agreement and um what you see here is

850
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:11,160
the um it started with the 2023 budget

851
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,319
some of it was put in there they didn't

852
00:44:13,319 --> 00:44:15,559
have everything finalized yet it kind of

853
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,839
came right after the budget but we do

854
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:21,559
have our final numbers we're looking at

855
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:26,520
20 2026 or 2027 budget year to be able

856
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040
to budget for the rest of the half our

857
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,000
half um what we need to do though here

858
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,319
is to get the ability to get the

859
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:37,079
contract going for the purchase so it's

860
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,040
going to take some steps but step one is

861
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,280
to get a

862
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,559
contract do you have any questions on

863
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,160
that because we do have the RO Fire

864
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,559
Group here to answer questions also

865
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,119
they're the ones who worked on the RFP

866
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,800
and the contract as I kind of summarized

867
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,760
for you aler um I had a question because

868
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,640
there was a a mention in here about

869
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,960
emission standards changing in

870
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,400
2726 is that going to be an issue with

871
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,400
the vehicle that we're designing and

872
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200
building Come Those Years um I do have

873
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,200
an adjustment to the dollar amount that

874
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,040
I put in here I was looking at the piece

875
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,760
of the fire Tru only to give you a a

876
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,000
range I used the fire trucks um the

877
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,319
price that

878
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:23,559
were um looking at trying to secure the

879
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,119
1.1 162 676

880
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,920
and not to exceed 1,225 that was giving

881
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,839
a 5% increase in case we can't get

882
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:35,760
things closed till later in February

883
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,920
we're pushing for that original number

884
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,079
but we do need to include the other

885
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,559
pieces because those will be handled

886
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,319
somehow during that process so instead

887
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:51,640
of using um not to exceed 1.22 5 million

888
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,559
I need to use the we need to use the

889
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,000
overall cost which is on the second page

890
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,839
of the summary that the rural Fire Group

891
00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:07,349
provided to us and it's 1,270

892
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:09,839
8980 and if you notice on that page it

893
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:15,109
does that's where you picked it up

894
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,079
from and that would include the 45,000

895
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,880
increase in emissions if that has to

896
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,079
happen so then you're looking to not

897
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:24,440
exceed

898
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,839
1,27 8980 is that correct cor okay all

899
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:28,920
right thank

900
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,040
you oh thank you uh two questions um

901
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,240
first one do we think we'll likely be

902
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,680
able to put twice the amount that we

903
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,079
currently have set

904
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:46,720
aside and have that ready to go in 2 3

905
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,800
years um might this be something we

906
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,880
could bond

907
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,160
for what are options both both are yes

908
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,040
and yes um pieces of it can be set as

909
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,640
we've already done our our 2024 budget

910
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,040
unless we wanted to do an amendment

911
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,240
sometime this year so we'd look at a

912
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,000
2025 budget can you can budget for it

913
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,960
and set it aside just like we have here

914
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,880
with the 350 we did a moment ago in in

915
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Council we set the 350 aside already and

916
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,119
then so you could do some in

917
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,559
2025 and then the remainder in 26 or

918
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:25,359
27 and at the at that time um I mean any

919
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,400
of the years you could actually put it

920
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,280
into a bond and hold it or wait for

921
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,760
another year we are going to do bonding

922
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,280
because we're doing bonding in

923
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,240
2024 we won't most likely we'll be doing

924
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,480
it again in

925
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,440
2025 uh thank you and then when is our

926
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,000
current contract with the rule group up

927
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,880
for a negotiation again a DAT the

928
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640
contract

929
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,680
expires can I I'm sorry can I just have

930
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,000
you come up so that Alder gr can hear

931
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,440
you too yeah let's get John up here the

932
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,760
Pres the r um the if I remember

933
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
correctly the current contract expires

934
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,920
at uh 2027 so I would recommend um

935
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,240
depending on what you folks feel that

936
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:09,880
probably here sometime in the next year

937
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,079
we should probably get together and

938
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,200
start reviewing it it's going to take

939
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,000
some time probably should be some

940
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,920
changes made um I agree with your your

941
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,800
City attorney um there's some things

942
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,319
that probably aren't as clear as they

943
00:48:21,319 --> 00:48:23,680
should be and uh so I I would say you

944
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,680
know

945
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,839
probably I'd have to talk to the rest of

946
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:28,319
my group but I you know I would say

947
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:29,640
probably towards the end of this year

948
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,559
beginning and part of 2025 we should

949
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:32,880
probably get working on it we're not

950
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,079
going to be crunched for time and get

951
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,760
something in place that's going to be

952
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,480
beneficial for both both parties

953
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,720
involved thank

954
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,599
you aler motive I would like to see

955
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,880
those negotiations St in you know soon

956
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,599
in

957
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,280
2024 rather than waiting to 2025 if we

958
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,760
can um and I do I would like

959
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,839
clarification from Attorney Johnson do

960
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:59,720
we need that contract uh

961
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:06,510
revised before we move this

962
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,160
forward first uh I I I was looking at

963
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,920
the agreement and it does expire

964
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,559
December 31 of 2027 so that is correct

965
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,760
uh unless terminated earlier by the fire

966
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,799
group uh I think um as far as this

967
00:49:22,799 --> 00:49:25,400
particular piece of equipment is

968
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,319
concerned

969
00:49:27,319 --> 00:49:28,480
you can do

970
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,040
this uh several different ways I think

971
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,839
um a very short amendment to Simply deal

972
00:49:34,839 --> 00:49:37,040
with the new with the new

973
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,040
vehicle um would be a relatively simple

974
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,680
process um if you're looking at doing

975
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,000
some more wholesale changes uh then uh

976
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,240
the sooner you start on those changes

977
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,440
the better off you will be because you

978
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,000
have multiple parties here uh and and

979
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,920
each of the parties needs to go back to

980
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,839
their has to has to weigh in and and

981
00:50:02,839 --> 00:50:06,599
give approval so that it's going to be a

982
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,119
uh slightly clumsy process just because

983
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,200
of the amount of municipalities that are

984
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,760
involved uh at at the at the beginning

985
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,720
um so the sooner you start the the

986
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,319
better but we certainly can carve out

987
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,160
this one piece of

988
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,240
equipment um if necessary because like I

989
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,359
said uh it's going to be replacing a

990
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:32,400
piece that's already in the agreement

991
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,200
it's just that there's no mechanism for

992
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,640
what happens to you know what happens to

993
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,440
this new piece of equipment once it

994
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,079
comes into the fold so to speak

995
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,119
okay so so then I would like to

996
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:49,200
recommend that we work on the

997
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,040
amendment prior to the council moving

998
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,079
this

999
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:55,599
forward um and bring the amendment

1000
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,589
forward and we review do it

1001
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,599
again I would comment that these prices

1002
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:06,799
are ending this has been out there for

1003
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:09,920
how many months now in

1004
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,960
2023 yeah and it's already gone up since

1005
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,079
then so you're looking at another 5%

1006
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,839
increase if we go past in very far into

1007
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:25,270
February can I say one

1008
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,440
sure I don't have a copy of that

1009
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,680
contract in front of me so maybe uh the

1010
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,720
attorney could tell me I think it's I

1011
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,200
think it's stated in that contract that

1012
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,240
it's own 5050 and then the maintenance

1013
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,040
is split 50/50 with the city is that

1014
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,720
correct yes there there's language in

1015
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,480
there that that repairs and maintenance

1016
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,920
for for a vehicle 92 are specifically

1017
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,119
addressed and it is a 50/50 on repair

1018
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,480
and maintenance so um I just wasn't able

1019
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,240
to find anything that says here's how we buy a new vehicle to

1020
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,200
replace this one and here's what happens

1021
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,520
to the old vehicle once it's being

1022
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,839
decommissioned for lack of a better term

1023
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:09,559
or maybe it's not going to be

1024
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,000
decommissioned I don't

1025
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,760
know so I guess I'm a little confused on

1026
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,720
what the amendment would do because we

1027
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,200
already got an outline of of you know

1028
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,119
we're going to We own this one jointly

1029
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,200
we're going to you know we're going to

1030
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,559
buy another one jointly the maintenance

1031
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:25,319
and that's going to be jointly well the

1032
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:27,559
other one will probably get sold

1033
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,119
jointly so I don't know what the purpose

1034
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:31,720
I I'm not against the amendment don't

1035
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,280
get me wrong but I don't I I just don't

1036
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,760
I I don't understand the I

1037
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,760
guess the the amendment in my mind can

1038
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,079
be as simple as a vehicle 92 is being

1039
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,559
replaced with whatever you're buying now

1040
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,319
and just it can be a very it could be a

1041
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,760
two sentence agreement uh that says

1042
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,400
vehicle 92 is being replaced so that

1043
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,839
those of us can years from now will know

1044
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:00,280
that vehicle 92 has been

1045
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,920
replaced and if you're going to sell uh

1046
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,160
vehicle 92 uh here's what happens to it

1047
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,559
yeah it doesn't have to be anything

1048
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,359
fancy for the amendment just to make

1049
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,559
sure that everybody's on the same page

1050
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,200
that's that's the the the important

1051
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,799
part so then would it be appropriate to

1052
00:53:18,799 --> 00:53:20,359
bring that

1053
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:23,760
paragraph signed agreement here for the

1054
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,760
council to approve with this request to

1055
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,040
the council meeting next when when you

1056
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:38,559
when you're again group has has to be if it's the city's intent

1057
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:42,559
to enter into the same agreement with

1058
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,599
this new vehicle as it has with 92 it's

1059
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,280
a really simple agreement but I don't

1060
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,559
think that that conversation has been

1061
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,559
had yet so if if that's if that's the

1062
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,680
direction then this is really easy

1063
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,079
Alder

1064
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,559
gray um so to put everything in super

1065
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,480
simple terms basically I think everyone

1066
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,839
is on the same page it's just not

1067
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:10,520
written how it's supposed to function I

1068
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,079
believe everyone believes that this new

1069
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:15,040
vehicle should be under the same terms

1070
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,720
as vehicle 92 so I think bringing it to

1071
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,640
the next regular meeting with an

1072
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,160
amendment a proposed amendment for us to

1073
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,559
approve alongside it that say is um this

1074
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,079
vehicle is replacing vehicle 92 and all

1075
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,400
rules and regulations associated with

1076
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,640
vehicle 92 shall apply to this vehicle

1077
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,319
and the proceeds from the sale and or

1078
00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:43,000
dis um the sale of this vehicle however

1079
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,599
we get rid of this vehicle of vehicle 92

1080
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,760
shall be dispersed equally 50/50 amongst

1081
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,359
the RO Fire group and the City of

1082
00:54:52,359 --> 00:54:58,400
Columbus WIS Pate group so it it's just that simple we just need to have

1083
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,240
that alongside this and I think

1084
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:03,799
basically my wording is maybe not

1085
00:55:03,799 --> 00:55:05,599
perfect but that's exactly what the

1086
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,160
amendment needs to say it's pretty darn

1087
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
close are you guys comfortable with that

1088
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,920
yeah I don't think I'm going to get be

1089
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,440
able to get it done by February 6th

1090
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,400
though okay the second council meeting

1091
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,440
yes yeah I'm actually leaving out of

1092
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,160
town next week and then I'm going to

1093
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,319
have to get the group together in

1094
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:25,920
between and I just think that window's

1095
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,680
going to be really tight when is the

1096
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:34,319
next council meeting in February 19th um that might that probably be

1097
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,839
doable I think so will Attorney Johnson

1098
00:55:36,839 --> 00:55:41,000
drop that Amendment then yes okay all

1099
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,160
right so that's I I'm okay with that um

1100
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,280
if we're going to do it might as well do

1101
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,640
it you know so we're all in the same

1102
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,160
boat I I understand your position on it is vague um I if you could get that

1103
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,039
to me or maybe I'll try to reach out to

1104
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,880
you tomorrow sometime at ER Johnson and

1105
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,520
then we can figure out how we get this

1106
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,799
to each other and then I can get the

1107
00:56:01,799 --> 00:56:04,640
ball rolling on my end I'm hoping that I

1108
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,440
can get this probably the sooner I can

1109
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,000
get that in hand the E the the best

1110
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,119
because if the other members of the

1111
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:14,319
group think they have to bring it in

1112
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,839
front of their Town board before we talk

1113
00:56:16,839 --> 00:56:19,839
about it at the the rural association

1114
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:21,240
meeting because I'll call a special

1115
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,960
meeting as I plan on calling one anyways

1116
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,359
in February or the first part of March I

1117
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:27,880
already let let everyone know um most of

1118
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,960
our town board meetings I believe will

1119
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,839
fall before that 19th timetable so I

1120
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:36,039
could probably have a general idea of

1121
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,119
where everyone sits on everything and

1122
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:39,599
then then hopefully from there we can

1123
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,200
move it forward I mean we still got some

1124
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,200
discussion on our end to do yet I my

1125
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,280
direction was to figure out what you

1126
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,640
guys wanted to do so we knew what

1127
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,559
direction to go so this is what it needs

1128
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:51,079
to get taken then we got to get this

1129
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:53,359
done and hopefully we can proceed from

1130
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:56,400
there I guess thank you is everybody

1131
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,359
comfortable bringing that forward with

1132
00:56:58,359 --> 00:57:01,359
Amendment for the February 19th meeting

1133
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:04,880
yes okay perfect thank you thank you um

1134
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,799
next item on the agenda is to discuss

1135
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:08,799
the CH LPC

1136
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:13,200
ordinance and then um Ruth did I have

1137
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,520
you listed as somebody who did you

1138
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,670
have did you want to lead off the

1139
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,640
discussion oh Alder

1140
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,400
gray um so well first off we have a lot

1141
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,520
of background mus the audience that' be

1142
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,440
awesome um but second

1143
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,559
uh so I am 100% um coming to agreement

1144
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:44,200
on this um finally it's been years my

1145
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,039
problem is this specific ordinance that

1146
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,240
is in our packet is full of

1147
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,200
contradictions that makes no sense

1148
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,039
portions of it would make the hlpc

1149
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:57,079
basically mute and void and LS are chlg

1150
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,359
status and like it doesn't make sense

1151
00:58:00,359 --> 00:58:02,160
this is not a good ordinance and I don't

1152
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,319
know where this came from or why it is

1153
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,680
the way it is in our packet like for

1154
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,359
example if you look at 11

1155
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:12,920
17-5 section c it says the commission

1156
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,160
shall review any proposal which may

1157
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,000
result in an alteration of the historic

1158
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,640
structure yada yada yada after reviewing

1159
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,480
the procedures outlined in 11 17-8 the

1160
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,880
commission will recommend to the for the

1161
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,000
approving or um denial of the

1162
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,720
certificate of appropriateness to the

1163
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,920
common Council but then when you go to

1164
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,920
like

1165
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,359
17-8 they have the authority to Grant

1166
00:58:38,359 --> 00:58:40,079
the

1167
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,200
um the certificate of appropriateness

1168
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,200
they're not just the recommending body

1169
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,280
like where are we standing are they

1170
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,400
supposed to be a recommending body or

1171
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,200
are they the final say in

1172
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,599
Grant because it says both things and it

1173
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:56,920
says both things throughout this

1174
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,190
ordinance and it's really quite

1175
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,280
confusing that's just one of many

1176
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,799
examples this is what I'm say the intent

1177
00:59:05,799 --> 00:59:10,559
of the ordinance was to say that um the

1178
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,520
commission would be the ones who would

1179
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,960
go through and approve or deny a

1180
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,079
certificate of appropriateness with the

1181
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,119
council being the appealing

1182
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,640
body right and that's perfect that's

1183
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,480
basically how our ordinance is now but

1184
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:36,430
that's not how this ordinance is

1185
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,599
written

1186
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:41,520
Henry did you have any understanding

1187
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,680
when we went through so let me explain a

1188
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,280
little bit to others that are here um

1189
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,880
both the ordinance ad hoc committee and

1190
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,960
the hlpc sat down and did this ordinance

1191
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,440
together um did you have an issue with

1192
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,640
what was in

1193
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,640
here I'm going to have to correct you

1194
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,559
just a little bit there was members of

1195
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,200
the historic preservation commission

1196
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,960
that were at your meeting yes and you

1197
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,960
folks decided what the language was

1198
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:11,920
going to

1199
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,559
be we met oh man last July I think and

1200
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,280
we went through some comments and

1201
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,920
concerns at that point but since that

1202
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,520
time it's been your committee that's

1203
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,359
been drafting this ordinance and putting

1204
01:00:24,359 --> 01:00:26,559
it together we have been at the meetings

1205
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,599
absolutely there's no question about

1206
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,640
that and that's why we're anxious to

1207
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,720
have this proceed somewhere so that we

1208
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,400
can make a public comment at the public

1209
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,440
hearing and identify those changes or

1210
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,200
ideas that we think are necessary some

1211
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,640
of them Mr Gray has already identified

1212
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,079
there may be others I don't know

1213
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,520
everybody's opinion on that but the

1214
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,720
draft that I understand is in your

1215
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,440
packet this evening is the one that was

1216
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,160
recommended by the subcommittee yes yes

1217
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,039
so you're saying that you would like to

1218
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:03,480
see this move forward as is to the

1219
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,880
planning and zoning committee and

1220
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,160
address any discrepancies that you may

1221
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,799
see there well that's my personal

1222
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:12,960
opinion yes because I'd like this to get

1223
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,880
out of the committee I'm sorry to say

1224
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,920
that but so that it goes on and there

1225
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,480
can be discussion and action on this

1226
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,760
rather than pingpong back and forth with

1227
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,280
additional versions and revisions but

1228
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,400
that's just my personal opinion M okay

1229
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,599
Alder

1230
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,480
gra and I very much respect um Henry

1231
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,839
Ellen's opinion and I think his opinion

1232
01:01:34,839 --> 01:01:38,480
weighs higher than most my problem is

1233
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,240
that

1234
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,760
this is still not appropriate and if

1235
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,359
this specific ordinance were to pass it

1236
01:01:46,359 --> 01:01:49,520
would basically render our hlpc mot and

1237
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,359
void and there would be no sense in them

1238
01:01:52,359 --> 01:01:55,520
in existing it would give them it

1239
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,680
wouldn't give them the power that they

1240
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,960
need in order to maintain our CH LGC

1241
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,039
status it wouldn't have any sort of real

1242
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:09,520
significance they would basically just

1243
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,920
be an organization that fundraised they

1244
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,240
wouldn't have anything it would mean

1245
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,920
nothing our historic preservation would

1246
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,599
mean

1247
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:22,200
nothing with this ordinance so while I

1248
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,400
want to see it advance I don't think

1249
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,920
this ordinance is correct um I think

1250
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,119
Henry is being optimistic that they can

1251
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,119
address the issues and dis ordinance at

1252
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:33,680
the public hearing and hopefully fix

1253
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,200
them before it moves forward but in all

1254
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,359
reality our current ordinance is

1255
01:02:38,359 --> 01:02:40,599
perfectly fine there's nothing wrong

1256
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:44,279
with it it this whole debacle came from

1257
01:02:44,279 --> 01:02:47,880
a power grab from a previous mayor and

1258
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,920
Alder that haven't

1259
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,119
been um part of our City's government

1260
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,200
for many many years so in all honesty I

1261
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,599
think this should just go away and we

1262
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:00,960
should keep our existing

1263
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,400
norins thank you Alder Steiner um I have

1264
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,960
to agree with uh uh Alder Gray's

1265
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,720
contention to this ordinance I'm looking

1266
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,079
at the definitions and the certificate

1267
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:12,480
of appropriateness is issued by the

1268
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,920
common Council in under 11 17-3 but then

1269
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,279
granted by the historic

1270
01:03:18,279 --> 01:03:21,920
hlpc in 11 17-8 it's just it's it was

1271
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,079
confusing to me reading and it's like if

1272
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,000
we just push this on there's no

1273
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,240
guarantee that they're going to catch

1274
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,920
all the discrepancies in here and we're

1275
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,359
going to have to redo this all over

1276
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:33,839
again however many times we catch these

1277
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:37,599
things um as as my point is is I've have

1278
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,119
not spoken on this at all because it's

1279
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,440
been in committee for so long I'm not

1280
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,079
going to conly go back and forth the

1281
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:44,960
only issue that I would ever have with

1282
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,920
this is the authority of a certificate

1283
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,799
of

1284
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:51,599
appropriateness I I run fear that we're

1285
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:55,039
creating a sort of historic HOA by

1286
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,480
giving them they should have the

1287
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,640
authority to advise and educate and that

1288
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,839
that's appropriate in in my purview of

1289
01:04:00,839 --> 01:04:04,000
what the CHL PC does is they designate

1290
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,680
what buildings are historically relevant

1291
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,039
what St structures are historically

1292
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,319
relevant and they educate those owners

1293
01:04:09,319 --> 01:04:11,440
or people who own these things this is

1294
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,920
the benefit of this this is the history

1295
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,640
of this and this is what you can get off

1296
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,480
of it and the biggest benefit is tax

1297
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,960
credits that you can get off of any of

1298
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,599
these properties the the certificate of

1299
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:22,680
appropriateness authorizes those tax

1300
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,079
credits to still be valid if you lose

1301
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:26,599
that certificate appropriateness you

1302
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:27,960
don't get the tax credits you have to

1303
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,160
pay them back whatever it is from my

1304
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,720
understanding of the statute and

1305
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,520
everything so it shouldn't be you get

1306
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,599
the certificate appropriateness or you

1307
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,799
don't get the building permit these are

1308
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:40,079
private properties these are owners that

1309
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:41,480
should have to do what they will with

1310
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,480
the property but it should be encouraged

1311
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,559
and informed as to the benefits therein

1312
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:47,720
of maintaining a historic relevant

1313
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,079
building and that I mean when you look

1314
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,880
at the the wording of

1315
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,880
it in 111 17-8 section A

1316
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,279
this chapter of such property to

1317
01:04:58,279 --> 01:05:00,039
demolish such property unless

1318
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:01,279
certificate appropriateness has been

1319
01:05:01,279 --> 01:05:03,880
granted by the historic land commission

1320
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,640
unless a such certificate has been

1321
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,599
granted by the chpc the city's building

1322
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:10,119
inspection department shall not issue a

1323
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:11,640
permit license for such

1324
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,799
work it's not their position to say what

1325
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,760
you can and can't do with the property

1326
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,440
because building permits are for you

1327
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,760
know legalities and safety not for

1328
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,000
aesthetic and it may sound harsh to say

1329
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,880
that and I I love history I live in an

1330
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,599
old home myself but it's where does the

1331
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,880
authority line draw and I think that it

1332
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,079
should be completely advisory and

1333
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,760
educational and everything should just

1334
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,880
go they can dull out the certificate of

1335
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,240
appropriateness under the guidelines

1336
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,599
that they have that's totally fine but

1337
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:44,640
it shouldn't be you do it our way or you

1338
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,480
don't do it at all and that's my only

1339
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,400
contention to this entire thing

1340
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,039
otherwise you know obviously clean up

1341
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:52,200
the language but that's the only thing

1342
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,760
that I really have an issue with on the

1343
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,119
entire concept

1344
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,039
um in my hearing then quickly that would

1345
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,520
it be prudent to have Attorney Johnson

1346
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,400
review and look for any inconsistencies

1347
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,920
that we need to be aware of before the

1348
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,920
recommendation to go to plan commission

1349
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,670
is

1350
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,559
accepted thank you for laughing

1351
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,960
Ian sorry I wasn't TR I was trying not

1352
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,240
well um I will do whatever I am directed

1353
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,039
to do I have not looked at this

1354
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,200
ordinance again for several months now

1355
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,079
and I really have no idea what has

1356
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:42,400
happened since the last time I have uh I have looked at it so I'm happy to help

1357
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,160
and do whatever is is necessary and as

1358
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,400
long as I have the floor just a short

1359
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,760
reminder as as to the process going

1360
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,160
forward here um at some point in time

1361
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,799
this ordinance has has to leave the ad

1362
01:06:59,799 --> 01:07:01,960
hoc committee and it has to leave the

1363
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,079
committee of the whole and it has to go

1364
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:08,640
to the uh plan commission for a public

1365
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,680
hearing just because it's a zoning

1366
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,359
related ordinance and then after it gets

1367
01:07:14,359 --> 01:07:16,400
out of the plan commission then it goes

1368
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,039
to the city council for the final

1369
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,839
whatever happens at the city council so

1370
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:23,720
there are still several steps left but

1371
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,240
they answer uh all motiv question um

1372
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,720
I'll do whatever you need me to

1373
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,599
do well ordinance ad hoc is

1374
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:36,839
done to quote you from a previous uh

1375
01:07:36,839 --> 01:07:40,720
email it's off our plates we're done um

1376
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,359
so if it gets reviewed I would like it

1377
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:45,599
to be reviewed by Attorney Johnson

1378
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,160
before it goes to the plan commission

1379
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:50,640
and then just move it to the plan

1380
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,430
commission with his

1381
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,309
notes does that make

1382
01:07:59,319 --> 01:08:01,319
sense Alder

1383
01:08:01,319 --> 01:08:04,720
gray um Attorney Johnson in your opinion

1384
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,599
is there anything inherently wrong with

1385
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:09,920
our existing ordinance or any real

1386
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,480
reason that we need

1387
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:18,030
this uh in

1388
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:26,159
um inherently wrong no um the power

1389
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:29,960
grab uh came about

1390
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,000
because of the

1391
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,199
realization that the

1392
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:39,199
hlpc was the first and final answer on

1393
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:40,239
some

1394
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,799
topics and ever since that's what

1395
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:46,920
started this whole process was uh a

1396
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,520
couple people who didn't like that idea

1397
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,600
and ever since then we've been going

1398
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,560
back and forth uh with the issue of who

1399
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,040
makes the final call here is this a hlpc

1400
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,880
making a recommendation and the council

1401
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,600
making a final approval or is this an

1402
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,040
hlpc making a decision and the common

1403
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:15,560
Council being an appeal body and that's what has been and and that is

1404
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,679
what Ian pointed out in the

1405
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:19,880
discrepancies that are that sound like

1406
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,359
they're in the ordinance still is that

1407
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,880
there's a lot of there's been a lot back

1408
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:30,600
and forth on that particular topic and I

1409
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,120
think if if the counil wants me to read

1410
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,040
through this and try to clean things up

1411
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,600
I need to have a very definite answer on

1412
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:48,799
that point uh as to exactly what is is this hlpc decision and Council appeal

1413
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:51,759
or is this hlpc recommendation and

1414
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:54,880
Council decision that that is the single

1415
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,320
most important issue that I still don't

1416
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,920
know if there's an answer to thank you

1417
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,280
that's exactly what I'm trying to get at

1418
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,960
and if the intention is for it to be a

1419
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,159
CH LPC decision and a council appeal is

1420
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:14,830
there any reason to change our existing

1421
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,560
ordinance I I am not 100 I don't think

1422
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,239
and and I'm not 100% positive on this

1423
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:23,560
because it's been so long since I've

1424
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,800
looked at it but I don't think that

1425
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,760
there is an appeal mechanism to the

1426
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,440
council in the existing ordinance and if

1427
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:36,159
there is that's fine um but I I seem to

1428
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,080
remember when this blew up six seven

1429
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,320
years ago that that was the big issue

1430
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,719
that there was that there was no appeal

1431
01:10:43,719 --> 01:10:45,440
to the council it was an appeal

1432
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,159
someplace

1433
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:51,640
else Al Alder so excuse me I'm sorry

1434
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,080
Alder motive had her light on I'll get

1435
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,880
back to you after Alder motive and Alder

1436
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,760
read also I'm sorry it's hard because I

1437
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,000
can't even see you guys so I know I

1438
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,440
apologize from the meetings uh the

1439
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:05,040
ordinance ad hoc meetings which this CHL

1440
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,560
PC was there um we did talk through

1441
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,280
issues um in and things uh that they

1442
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,400
would like in the um ordinance and and

1443
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,600
we of course interjected some things for

1444
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,480
the city um but it was the intent that

1445
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:23,920
the CH

1446
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,719
LPC be able to issue a certificate of

1447
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:33,360
appropriateness and then the council is

1448
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,960
the appeal

1449
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,600
body I believe you're right Attorney

1450
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,719
Johnson and the way that it is is that

1451
01:11:39,719 --> 01:11:41,719
it's the uh Circuit Court that's the

1452
01:11:41,719 --> 01:11:45,080
appeal body currently

1453
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,320
correct we were trying to keep it out of

1454
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,120
the circuit court if we could well I I I

1455
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,719
think that's how I remember it and that

1456
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,719
was not not appealing to

1457
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:59,320
anybody bad pun

1458
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,280
sorry Alder

1459
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:07,440
Reed oh uh thank you yes at this point

1460
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,840
I'm thinking of just leaving the

1461
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:16,880
ordinance as it as is for a while um it

1462
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,560
sounds like we as a council need to go

1463
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,480
through this with a fine tooth cone and

1464
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:27,400
perhaps just change one tiny section on

1465
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,830
um the appeals

1466
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,080
process Alder

1467
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,880
gray um I mean honestly I think Alder

1468
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,120
read is on to something if our current

1469
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,600
appeals process isn't sufficient why

1470
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,440
don't we just make an amendment to the

1471
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,920
current one instead of re creating the

1472
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,840
wheel like if we need a better appeals

1473
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,760
process amend the current one for

1474
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,760
appeals process but this is I mean this

1475
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,360
ordinance has been going on for

1476
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,159
literally years and it still is nowhere

1477
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,239
and it still makes no sense and it still

1478
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:05,520
contradicts itself we can hope it gets

1479
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,040
fixed in public comments and forums and

1480
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,440
things of that nature but it hasn't

1481
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:11,760
gotten fixed for

1482
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,560
years and the current ordinance isn't

1483
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,920
broken there's nothing really wrong with

1484
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,920
it maybe the appeal process could be

1485
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,280
better amend the appeal process like I

1486
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,639
don't understand why we are subjecting

1487
01:13:25,639 --> 01:13:27,960
ourselves and our entire Community to

1488
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,080
this like absurdity and why it's been

1489
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,350
sitting here

1490
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,960
forever aler Steiner Alder

1491
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,040
motive it seems like we haven't made a

1492
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,239
decision on this particular ordinance so

1493
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,080
I this isn't going to go

1494
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:50,870
forward that's for certain no

1495
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,560
um I'm fine with just amending the the

1496
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,920
other ordinance if that's what needs to

1497
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,880
be done um I just don't know really how

1498
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,159
to answer that at the moment

1499
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:07,120
without further research Ruth do you

1500
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,669
want to come up to the

1501
01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:13,639
podium hi there I'm Ruth Hermanson CH

1502
01:14:13,639 --> 01:14:16,920
LPC chair um I've been dealing with the

1503
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,880
ordinances for about seven years and um

1504
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,159
well remember um the library Annex

1505
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,800
building and what we did there we

1506
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,639
followed the ordinances because if there

1507
01:14:30,639 --> 01:14:33,040
was if they were going to tear it down

1508
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,080
we needed to have a public hearing and

1509
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,159
um it was my understanding I don't have

1510
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:41,320
the ordinance in front of me but um we

1511
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:46,040
had to follow that procedure and we knew

1512
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,560
that um we don't have even at the state

1513
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,880
level we don't have that kind of power

1514
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,520
to say you're not going to tear this

1515
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,280
building down what what might happen

1516
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,719
through the process such as a public

1517
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:05,120
hearing um that it is what what they

1518
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,040
City ends up is a picture of the

1519
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,960
building that was there maybe some

1520
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,360
history about it and they build whatever

1521
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,760
they want to build it's I don't want to

1522
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,840
say we're powerless but we're we have

1523
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,400
the power going through the process to

1524
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,719
educate people and then they can make

1525
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:26,400
the decision and back then and it was my

1526
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,239
understanding and

1527
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:31,159
um Attorney Johnson I I can't remember

1528
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,000
either it would be that we'd go through

1529
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,520
the process and then for some reason I

1530
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,840
thought then it would go to city council

1531
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,880
and I might be totally wrong on that

1532
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,760
that's like seven years ago um I do

1533
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,480
we've run it by the state several times

1534
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:50,520
um Joe D Ro was here probably six years

1535
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,679
ago and then Jason Tish was out here

1536
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,760
they love our ordinances they they've

1537
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,679
commented that there's a appeals process

1538
01:15:58,679 --> 01:16:01,159
in it they said whoever wrote These they

1539
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:05,000
allowed for every type of what if and if

1540
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,040
we just need to amend something because

1541
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,840
right now none of us can answer that

1542
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,120
question on on the appeals process we

1543
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,560
would be in full agreement with it the

1544
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,040
copy that was

1545
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,760
um we've had so many copies and and so

1546
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,199
forth and the copy you have in hand

1547
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:25,520
right now

1548
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,560
it's limiting our powers it's it's

1549
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,520
bringing us down to like five members

1550
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,320
and um it

1551
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,080
it's not a lot of people have seen that

1552
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,840
copy um until the last ad hoc meeting so

1553
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,760
we we did not have a meeting and say

1554
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,400
yeah we're in full agreement with that

1555
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,639
because we weren't asked to do that okay

1556
01:16:47,639 --> 01:16:49,159
so for

1557
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:51,719
clarification that copy that you have in

1558
01:16:51,719 --> 01:16:56,600
the packet um was a big surprise to us

1559
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,280
it it didn't reflect all the changes

1560
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,000
from all the previous meetings and I

1561
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,880
think we just need to move forward as

1562
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,000
simply as possible because otherwise

1563
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,120
we're splitting hairs and if we can just

1564
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,440
make that simple Amendment after

1565
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:16,040
Attorney Johnson reviews it chlp PC

1566
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,520
would be

1567
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,719
gladly in form of keeping it the other

1568
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:23,120
thing that I do want to tell you is on

1569
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,950
these um COA

1570
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,880
um I don't believe in my serving on the

1571
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,840
commission not once I don't think it got

1572
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,520
appealed um basically people can do what

1573
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,000
they want with your building okay

1574
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,880
they're not going to get tax credits for

1575
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,440
it and um there is a process that they

1576
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:47,920
have to follow we're not going to tell

1577
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,440
anybody what color to paint their

1578
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,639
building if they ask us or we can make

1579
01:17:51,639 --> 01:17:55,040
some suggestions our duty is to inform

1580
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,960
and educate and so they can make the

1581
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,120
best decision and you know as far as

1582
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,480
like little critiquing like backlighting

1583
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:05,639
this or that then we follow the

1584
01:18:05,639 --> 01:18:08,440
ordinances from the national parks um

1585
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,679
and it's it's all stipulated in the

1586
01:18:10,679 --> 01:18:16,159
ordinance very well so we we try and you

1587
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,440
know I I would hope that we could just

1588
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:20,679
keep the existing ordinances make those

1589
01:18:20,679 --> 01:18:24,440
simple amendments after Attorney Johnson

1590
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:27,080
goes through it and that would be the

1591
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,600
commission's view I believe and we have

1592
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,679
a meeting tomorrow we can talk about it

1593
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:32,880
then

1594
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,320
too thank you so much thank you aler

1595
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,800
Steiner looking at how this has all come

1596
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,000
through in the different versions we've

1597
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,440
seen just amending the ordinance we have

1598
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:44,800
would be the easiest simplest and

1599
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,560
quickest way to get this done there

1600
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,800
wasn't that many changes done there's a

1601
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,000
couple things here and there and some

1602
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,920
wording here and there so I'm good if we

1603
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,880
choose to go through and just amend that

1604
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,120
which we have I was kind of wondering

1605
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,920
why we didn't do that to begin with but

1606
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,040
right however we do it we do it so let's

1607
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,760
get this done and and wrap it up

1608
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,120
whatever issues that that come up and

1609
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,709
have a better ordinance

1610
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:12,159
afterwards um Alder

1611
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:15,400
gr yeah thank you I think I think where

1612
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,560
we went wrong and where this all went

1613
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,880
astray is this was this entire new

1614
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,080
ordinance was created as a power gri to

1615
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,199
take power away from the CH LPC by

1616
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:29,960
members of our government that have not

1617
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,480
been members of our government for many years and it's been going back and

1618
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,080
forth through things and people have

1619
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,800
been trying to perfect it but really the

1620
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,480
overall heart of this new ordinance is

1621
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,880
basically the same as the old one like

1622
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,000
there's no reason for us to have this

1623
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,159
new ordinance all we really need to do

1624
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:52,239
if the appeals process isn't robust

1625
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:55,400
enough or appropriate amend that

1626
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,600
because the even the ad hoc committee

1627
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,840
basically put forward is trying to put

1628
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,920
forward basically the same ordinance

1629
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,320
it's just it's been altered so many

1630
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,239
times by so many people that there's a

1631
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:10,560
bunch of just inconsistencies in it now

1632
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,800
whereas the original one isn't like that

1633
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,480
the original one makes

1634
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:19,000
sense is everybody comfortable with the

1635
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,239
idea of revisiting this as just an

1636
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:24,440
amendment of The appeals process after

1637
01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:26,719
Paul Paul and Matt and the CH LPC

1638
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,199
whoever needs to weigh in on that weighs

1639
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:31,639
in on that yes yes do we want to put a

1640
01:20:31,639 --> 01:20:33,719
return date on this so that we can

1641
01:20:33,719 --> 01:20:37,239
review it in a timely fashion Alder

1642
01:20:37,239 --> 01:20:39,560
gray I don't think we need a lot of

1643
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,679
people to weigh in on it I think really

1644
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:44,000
the appeal section is all that needs to

1645
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,320
be looked at if Attorney Johnson can

1646
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,040
look at the appeal section and make a

1647
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,920
recommendation for that to come forward

1648
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,120
to council I think that's really all we

1649
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,480
need okay

1650
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:56,520
Attorney Johnson do you know what you

1651
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,159
need to

1652
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:04,800
know no absolutely not okay uh I I will start with Alder Gray's

1653
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,760
suggestion and I'll have something to

1654
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,000
you by uh

1655
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,360
September okay that's fair I will have

1656
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,560
something I can okay thank you very

1657
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,040
much um any further discussion on that

1658
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,400
no one one more thing uh for whatever

1659
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,239
it's worth the existing organ has never

1660
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:28,600
been repealed M exactly it's still in

1661
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,840
effect yeah

1662
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,440
so I I don't even really know what that

1663
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,639
means but there is still an ordinance

1664
01:21:35,639 --> 01:21:36,600
out the

1665
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,199
book

1666
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:43,520
okay good to know all right um with that

1667
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,080
I am looking for a motion to

1668
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,880
adjourn

1669
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,719
um second I have a motion to adjourn

1670
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:52,400
from Alder gray a second from Alder

1671
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:53,520
motive any

1672
01:21:53,520 --> 01:22:02,159
discussion all those in favor I okay we are adjourned thank you