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Good evening everyone. I'd like to call

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to order this meeting of the planning

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and land use committee for Monday, May

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5th, 2025 at 6:30

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p.m. First, I'd like to acknowledge with

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respect that we are meeting on the

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traditional territory of the Lquangan

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speaking peoples and we are honored to

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have the opportunity to build strong

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working relationships with the people of

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the Sanghes and Casspsum

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nations. I'd seek uh approval of the

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agenda for this

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evening. Thank you. All those

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opposed? Seeing none, we'll move on to

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adoption of the minutes. Uh we have the

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planning and land use committee minutes,

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meeting minutes from April 7th,

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2025. Um if I can get uh a motion to

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approve, if I can just interrupt, um I

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just need an amendment to the agenda

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before you that late item that came in

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for the committee. Absolutely. Report.

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Yes. Okay. Okay. So, on the uh going

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back to the agenda, um we need an

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amendment to add in the uh report that

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came through uh city staff. I'm just

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looking for

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the effective today, May 5th, um around

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tenant displacement information for

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resoning. Um can I have a motion to

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amend the agenda to include that report?

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So moved. All those

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opposed? Seeing none. Um and then we'll

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vote again on the

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agenda. All those opposed? Seeing none.

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Motion carried. Thank

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you. So we will move on again to

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adoption of the minutes for April 7th,

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2025. Do I have a mover to adopt those

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minutes? Seeing a mover. Okay. Thank

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you. All those opposed? Seeing none, uh

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we will move on to item four, public

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participation. So members of the public

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will be provided an opportunity to

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present concerns or ask questions to the

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committee. Um comments pertaining to the

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following matters that have been subject

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to a public hearing are prohibited at

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this meeting. By law number

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1700-10, Callwood Official Community

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Plan 1700 2018, amendment number 10,

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environmental development permit area.

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Uh for any of those looking to um speak

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this evening, uh the podium there, uh

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you just have to press the little silver

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button at the base of the microphone

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that has a a talking face on it and you

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have uh two minutes. So I would invite

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any members of the public that would

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wish to address the committee to please

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do so.

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Just at the base of the microphone

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there, you'll see a little silver. There

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you go.

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Hello. Hi. Thank you for allowing me to

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uh talk today. Is that okay? Um my name

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is Allison Dean. I have sent a long

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overly wordy email earlier today and I

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apologize for that. Um this kind of came

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to my attention last minute and I've

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been dealing with a lot. Um I'm not

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going to go over the contents as to what

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I've already mentioned in the email. Um,

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but some other information has come to

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light that I just wanted to bring up and

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get maybe some further information

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regarding that. Um, and how this project

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pertains to the OCP.

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Um, so it was initially my understanding

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that the request for the resoning at

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3333 Mosen Road just applied to that

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property alone. Yet, when I looked at

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Um, when I looked at the amendment, it

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applies to the exact quote was this the

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resoning to C9 zone is applied within

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200 meters of real travel distance from

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the Machosen Road to Lagoon Road. So,

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it's not just specific to this property,

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but also encompasses

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um company air in the neighborhood. So,

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I've got two questions regarding that.

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The So, with that being Oh, shoot. I'm

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running out of time. So, with that being

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the case, why is such a large

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development being squeezed into such a

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large like a small piece of land when

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potentially my land could is part of the

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reasoning and I've never been contacted

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about that. And another question then it

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states that for properties to apply for

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the C9 zoning, they have to be a minimum

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of 1,000 meter squared. So what happens

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to properties that are less than that

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that are kind of stuck between

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properties that could be developed and

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how does that fit with the overall um

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plan of the neighborhood?

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Thank you. Appreciate the questions.

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Um it would just look to staff to see if

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you can answer on that zoning or did you

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want to wait to the staff presentation

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to address that or do you have a

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preference? Okay. Well, why don't we

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just uh answer the the resident's

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question now if we can. Thank you.

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Thank you Taran. Thank you for the

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question. The C9 zone um is uh intended

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to be a template zone. Um so if and when

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properties within 200 m um of the

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Machosen and Lagoon neighborhood hub

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wish to come forward for reasonzoning

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the intention would to be to reszone to

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C9. Today the applicant 3333 Machosen is

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um seeking to reszone to that C9. This

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does not um reszone any other

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properties. Um and

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the I apologize I forgot the other

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question.

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thousand square meters. Thank you. Sorry

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about that. So um yes thousand square

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meters is um is intended to uh

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consolidate a few lots. Um so instead of

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having single um properties come into

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reszone, we're trying to incentivize

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having smaller properties consolidate to

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create a more cohesive development.

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the Sorry, I think if I may interject, I

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think the specifics about the individual

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proposal we will leave to the the staff

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and applicant presentation. I think you

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you as to why they would want to do it

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the way they've done it. I I would have

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to leave it to the applicant to address

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that during their presentation. I

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understand that they're here and they

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are presenting. So I think you know

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they're aware of the question. I would

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ask ideally that you uh seek to to to

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provide clarification in your

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presentation if you may. Thank

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you. So thank you uh Kelsey for that. I

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appreciate that.

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Um is there anyone else in the public

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that would wish to speak?

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Wendy Wilson. Oh, sorry. If I could just

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get you to press the button again. It

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was still on. So, there you go. Thank

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you. Uh Oh, wow. I'm Wendy Wilson. I

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live on Wickham Road, which is directly

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across from the

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Machosen. I have one minute, two

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minutes. Okay, here we go. um very much

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concerned about the parking and the

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entrance and exits into that both

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commercial and residential property and

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the number of uh vehicles that will be

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going in and out of there. There's

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already been at least three

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children that have been hit by cars at

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that intersection, either bumped or hit

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involving ambulances. Anybody that would

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like to come out and stand at the corner

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of Lagoon Road and be chosen between

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8:30 in the morning and 9:00 or two 2:30

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in the afternoon and 3:00 would be most

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welcome. Bring a counter. We have exits

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and entrances everywhere and there are

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three 400 children with their parents.

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has at least one parent attending them.

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Why? because it's such an unsafe trip

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from their houses to their

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school. Um, so we're very concerned

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about the parking. We're very concerned

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about where are the entrances going to

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be. They can't be on Machosen. The

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people that are currently renting there

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can't get out of their property onto

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Machosen. We need a crossing light.

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Either pedestrian operated or a crossing

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guard or both would be nice. and perhaps

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a crosswalk further down the street

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where it's a little bit safer to do. I'm

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talking lagoon, not machosen. There's

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nothing safe on Machosen.

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Um, can't even read my own writing. Oh,

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there's a bicycle lane that has been put

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in across chosen to take people from

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Royal Bay to

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you just want to finish your your um to

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uh Galloping Goose because they're

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trying to get to work on their bicycles

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which is a good thing to

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encourage people. There's no parking.

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There's unbelievable traffic and the con

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the concept of having 10 residential

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units and whatever is going to be

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commercial on the bottom. Are they going

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to dig a hole in the ground to park

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people and how are they going to get in

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and out because there are children

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everywhere. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you for taking the time

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to speak. Is there anyone else who'd

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like to address the committee? Thank

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you.

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Oh, sorry. You just hit it again and

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it'll come back on for you. There you

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go. Hello. Okay. My name is Ola Carpick

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and I live on Wickim Road at the end of

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the road. I was not notified of a

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meeting, but if I had been, I would have

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emailed you guys sooner. I vote no. I

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have two children. I cross that

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crosswalk almost every day, and almost

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every day, we are hit. We are almost

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hit. I've been walking that crosswalk

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with my four-year-old and I can feel the

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wind of cars going by me. I'm concerned

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about safety. Number one, I don't know

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if you were there or heard about the

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accident that happened this weekend on

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the corner on Saturday. A mom with a

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baby in a stroller and a six-year-old

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were hit on that corner. This almost

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happens every day. It was bound to

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happen. So, if you haven't heard about

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these issues of safety before, you need

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to know that they're constant and

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there's so many kids there. Um, the

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other issue is parking. Obviously, the

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people who live there barely have room

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to be able to have guests and friends

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over. We understand that people from the

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school need to pick up their kids, so

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they're constantly parking on way. Okay.

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But this situation is just going to get

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worse with um more development and

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density in that area. I don't know how

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the people who live in that current

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house get in and out. Uh parking safety

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traffic light. If there's not speeding

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in that area and people going in and out

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using it as a highway, then there's

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congestion in the morning when people

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try to take their kids to school and in

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the afternoon when they pick them up.

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It's a disaster. There's a reason that

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police have started to come there.

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Great. But when they're not there, bad

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things happen. Uh

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speeding, traffic,

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parking, and then I would just like to

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say that um with the bicycles on Mosen,

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that's not safe either. No dedicated

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safe bike lanes. Thank you.

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Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there

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anyone else in the public that would

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like to speak? I see another Hi, please.

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Yeah, the mic's on for you, so you don't

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need to hit a button there.

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I don't have a speech, but I came at the

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last minute cuz I just heard about this

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and my name is Trudy Lockhart and I live

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on Joyy's Place and I bring my uh two

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grandchildren to school every day. I

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bring them to school and I pick them up

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every day. So, I see the traffic every

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day and and I've bought brought my own

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two children who are now in their 30s to

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school that long ago. And so, I see the

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difference in the traffic then and now.

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Originally, when I started taking my

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grandkids, I parked on the chosen road.

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I stopped doing that because I could get

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clipped when I opened my door. The cars

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just speed by. You can't get in and

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can't get out and there's no parking. So

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now I park on Tipton. That's my

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secret. And um walk the kids to school.

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And uh the other thing I do is I park I

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try I let one off at Dunmeir and then I

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keep going and if there's three cars on

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painter trying to turn right on

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Machosen, I know I won't get the other

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one to school on time because nobody can

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get on to Machosen. So I I'll take one

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wherever I can and if I can then I'll

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zip to the right and then I'll zip into

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L Sangster Lane which says resident

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resident resident but I know one of the

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mothers on that street she said Trudy

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you can you can park there. So it's like

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it's stressful there's no parking for

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school and this will just make it more

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problematic. So that it sounds like a

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minor but this is what all the parents

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have to deal with thanks to every day

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and it is it is a worry. It's just a big

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worry. So, I don't know how this complex

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adding people to a corner

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that's super busy, how you're going to

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deal with that. But, so that's my

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concern. Thank you for listening to me.

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Thank you. Without rehearsal, right on

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two minutes. So, congratulations. I

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understand someone else would like to

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come speak. Welcome. Hi.

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Oh, you'll have to hit the button again.

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Yeah. When the light comes on. There you

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There we go. Hi, I'm Lori Pater. I live

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on Maywell and I did attend the initial

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um public meeting about this

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development.

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And um my primary concerns are around

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the entrance to the property being so

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close to a busy intersection on an

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access road. So Lagoon is not

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a primary road like Machosen, but it is

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an access road for all of the other

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streets in the neighborhood.

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And being on

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Maywell, our issue will be that even if

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as the developers have indicated there

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will be um no left turning into that

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property, that would push by human

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nature people to turn into

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Wickheim, turn around in that our

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culde-sac which is also busy with

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children and the residents being in the

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neighborhood. So, you're forcing more

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people, including the chiropractor

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um patients and all of the like I've

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seen city of Cowwood vehicles parked in

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that area

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frequently. We're concerned that with

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the additional traffic and the distance

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to the main intersection of Machosen and

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Lagoon that something will need to

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happen in order to make it safe and to

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make

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it more convenient for people that could

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potentially live in that development. I

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do believe it is

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also too high a density for the spot.

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Thank you. Great. Thank you very

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much. Is there anyone else in the

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gallery that would wish to speak this

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evening? Anybody else? No.

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So, oh, we do have one more person.

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Welcome.

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That's okay. There's no requirement to

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be prepared.

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Um, my name is Darling Morgan. I live on

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Matilda down towards the lagoon. Um, one

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thing that may not have been raised is

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uh the noise and the impact on children

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trying to learn in school. I lived next

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to a construction site in Souk for

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almost two years and I will tell you it

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is unreal.

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So, um I can't imagine little kids

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trying to focus on what they're doing

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with a major construction site literally

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next door. Um factor in the developments

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that are already, I believe,

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pre-approved at for some point in time

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at Heatherbell down towards uh Seaffield

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and at the end of Heatherbell. That's

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going to put another huge traffic load

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onto Lagoon Road when they take place uh

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looking forward into the future. It is,

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as somebody mentioned, an access road.

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It's also I noticed today the sign. It's

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also a tsunami evacuation route road up.

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Um, this corner is not a place to put

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any highdensity building. As mentioned,

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it's busy. It's full of children. It's

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full of traffic. There are proposed

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hundreds of more residents within the

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next decade or sooner that are going to

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be using that corner. Um, it's it's just

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not the place for this type of

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development. It's literally on top of

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the corner. Thank you.

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Thank you. Is there anyone else that

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would like to come speak? I can't see

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the back row, but just in case, I'll

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make a last call for public

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participation. No, seeing none. Okay.

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Well, first of all, thank you to to

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everyone who's taken the time to show up

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this evening and um you know, and share

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your thoughts with the committee. Um I

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speak from experience and being on the

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other side of the podium can be a little

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intimidating if you're not familiar with

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the process and you know you show up out

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of the blue to um just to be told time

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and again where the microphone button

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is. So um you know thank you for for

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sharing um resident input is valuable

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both to the committee and to to the

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council. So what we will do now is um is

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move on to item five new business. Uh

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item 5.1 the resoning application for

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3333 Machosen Road. and I'll call on uh

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Kelsey Field and uh city planner to uh

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give a staff presentation and then I

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believe following that we will have an

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applicant presentation. Over to

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you. Thank you chair and committee

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members. I will be giving a brief

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presentation on the resoning application

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for 3333 Matosen Road.

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The applicant is requesting an amendment

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from the existing R1 zone to a new C9

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zone to enable a 10-unit three-story

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apartment building with nine residential

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units and one convertible live work

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studio or commercial unit at the

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corner. The property is a flat square

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lot located at the corner of Lagoon and

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Machosen Road with an existing single

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family dwelling with vehicle access off

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Machosen Road. It is across the street

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from the commercial hub which includes

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Royal Bay Bakery. The property neighbors

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Sangster Elementary to the north and is

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designated as neighborhood center in the

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OCP and more specifically the Machosen

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and Lagoon neighborhood hub

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designation. The neighborhood center

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designation envisions smallcale mixeduse

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centers with an F ranging up to 1.75.

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The more specific Machosen Lagoon

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neighborhood hub outlines a maximum

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height of three stories and encourages

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uses geared to geared to neighborhood

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retail and services within a 200 meter

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uh of the

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intersection. Staff have created a new

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C9 zone which enables the density

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envisioned for the Machosen Lagoon

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neighborhood hub. The creation of a new

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C zone is consistent with other mixed

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use centers including the Royal Bay

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Bakery Complex.

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A CZ zone is intended to encourage

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small-scale neighborhoods serving

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commercial uses as opposed to just

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residential

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use. It is expected that properties

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within 200 meters of the OCP designation

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will reszone to C9 if and when they come

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forward. Permitted uses include

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apartment, bakery, personal service,

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retail store, and live work studio.

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The development agreement includes road

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dedication in the amount of 2.5 meters

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along Machosen Road to meet a 25 meter

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ride ofway to achieve active

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transportation goals. No road dedication

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is required along Lagoon Road as it

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currently meets the 20 m ride

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ofway. The proposal as is provides right

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in right out access off Lagoon Road.

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Staff did encourage the applicant to

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consolidate with neighboring properties

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to push the access further down Lagoon

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Road. However, they noted it was not

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feasible at this time. The

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transportation impact assessment or TIA

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notes that no intersection upgrades at

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Machosen and Lagoon Road are needed for

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this

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development. There is a mature tree

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fronting the property along Machosen

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Road that is currently tagged for

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removal for city infrastructure. The

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tree as it sits today is on private

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property, however, will be considered a

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city tree once the 2.5 meters of road

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dedication is complete.

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A development notification sign was

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posted on both frontages and the

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applicant hosted a neighborhood

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consultation meeting earlier this year.

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Notification postcards will be sent to

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properties within 100 meters of the site

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prior to considering considering

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readings of the amending bylaw scheduled

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for May

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26th. Notification will also be posted

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in the newspaper and highlighted on the

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website.

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committee may wish to consider

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recommending the staff recommendation or

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any of the alternatives seen above. I

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also wanted to note that an additional

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staff report has been provided to you

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and will be appended to the agenda

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tomorrow providing clarity on tenant

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displacement policies as there were

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concerns brought forward by one of the

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existing

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tenants. Uh an additional development

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agreement condition is recommended that

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a demolition permit will not be issued

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until a development permit has been

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submitted to the city. This conditions

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should alleviate some concerns of the

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timing of

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displacement. Thank you. I'm happy to

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answer questions you may have. The

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applicant is also prepared to speak and

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will speak next.

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Thank you, Kelsey. Um, I'd look for the

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uh committee to see if there's any

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questions and and just for

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clarification, sorry, the questions are

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limited to the committee at this stage.

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Um, is there any questions from the

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committee to

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staff? We're seeing none. Let's proceed

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to the applicant presentation and that

542
00:26:51,039 --> 00:27:02,750
might uh lead to a more wholesome

543
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,760
picture. Thank you. Uh Peter Hart Castle

544
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,400
on behalf of Hill Architecture and on

545
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,559
behalf of a group of individuals that

546
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,320
got together to purchase this property

547
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080
some time ago. They are not a

548
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,520
development company. They're just a

549
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,679
series of individuals who happen to own

550
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,080
this investment

551
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600
property. And as you heard uh in the

552
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
official community plan, this is a

553
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,159
neighborhood hub and planning uh

554
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,240
emphasizes that this is a mixeduse

555
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,240
building where mixeduse buildings are

556
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,559
encouraged. A commercial presence on on

557
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,720
the ground floor is encouraged and

558
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,039
multif family residential uses in the

559
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,039
remaining area on those floors and

560
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,919
floors above are also encouraged. and

561
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:43,760
the existing property contains an

562
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,919
original single family home and it's

563
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:47,600
unable to meet some of those

564
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,480
requirements of the the official

565
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,080
communic community plan or the or the

566
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,279
neighborhood plan. So it began a design

567
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,520
process to come up with a with a pro

568
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600
with a with an outcome that would be

569
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,000
respectful not only of the community and

570
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,720
neighborhood planning but respectful of

571
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,320
the existing neighbors and the

572
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,640
neighborhood as this is a gateway to

573
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679
Lagoon Road. a desire for a mixeduse

574
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,840
building. It was advocated by planning.

575
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,600
We're certainly happy to entertain that

576
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,679
and we have designed an outcome that

577
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,919
with the input of planning actually is

578
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,760
far better than the original one I think

579
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,720
that was was presented. There is a need

580
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,960
for a mix of residential units which we

581
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,679
are we are providing and and without

582
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,240
compromising the uh the the parking

583
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,919
there is no parking variance being

584
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,559
submitted with this and yes respecting

585
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,480
where we can the existing trees and

586
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760
planting significant new trees as well.

587
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,919
The official community plan we are

588
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:47,039
consistent with. We are providing nine

589
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,840
residential units and one live work unit

590
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,919
that could actually be retained for a

591
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:54,640
full commercial teny. The owners would

592
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,720
like to keep it as a live work unit.

593
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Seems most appropriate and it's a very

594
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,480
uh almost a subtle location compared to

595
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,279
other businesses in the community. The

596
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,279
building design has a density less than

597
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,200
than that was permitted that was just

598
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240
outlined. We are at 76 to one whereas

599
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960
the maximum advocated is

600
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,399
1.75. Uh and we have a height of only

601
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,880
three stories so as not to impose on on

602
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
adjacent properties but also consistent

603
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,640
with other properties that have been

604
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,279
developed along the chosen road. And we

605
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,679
are offering a mix of housing options

606
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:32,080
and we do have a housing issue at the

607
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,000
moment. So bringing forth with three

608
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
bedrooms, two bedrooms and one-bedroom

609
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,120
outcomes is quite appropriate. And yes,

610
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,679
we did uh we did have an engagement

611
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,320
process with the community. We sent uh

612
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,399
as you can see from the map here, we

613
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,360
sent out uh invitations to 70 different

614
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
addresses. We had uh roughly 10 people

615
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640
attend that evening. Uh five comment

616
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,480
cards were received and we have all

617
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,200
received more correspondents up until

618
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,399
noon today. uh and we think this this

619
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:05,039
reflects well uh on the on the project.

620
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,360
We also appreciate that this project

621
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320
outcome has been drawn into a a larger

622
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,559
discussion is can this be an appropriate

623
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,120
zoning that could be applied elsewhere.

624
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,039
We are only of course applying for

625
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,159
zoning on this particular property. our

626
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,080
architectural program that we achieved.

627
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Uh the upper two stories um host two and

628
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,399
threebedroom units. Um with those

629
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:30,720
primary living spaces and balconies on

630
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,960
their lowest floor, internal stairs

631
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,360
going up to a traditional second floor

632
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,159
of bedrooms and washrooms for those.

633
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,200
These are placed over five units on the

634
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,159
ground floor. Four singlebedroom

635
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:47,039
residential units which are walk-in and

636
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,120
walk out will be very appropriate for

637
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,159
adaptable housing uses and capable of

638
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,159
accommodating the new building code

639
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,120
requirements for adaptable

640
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,720
housing with a corner unit which is

641
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,799
designed as a live work unit. So it can

642
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,159
be both a homebased business uh and a

643
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:07,360
and a residence. It is 55 square meters

644
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,440
or 600 square ft. Below all of this,

645
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
there is only the center unit itself

646
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,200
that is excavated to a full height

647
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
basement. That's all that's required in

648
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,039
order to accommodate bicycle and

649
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,320
residential um uh storage units, uh

650
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480
sprinkler uh valves and and things like

651
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,559
this. It is not a full excavation for

652
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,360
the entire property.

653
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080
We did go through a process uh reviewing

654
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,159
uh the the parking for the property.

655
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:36,640
Both parking as it would be configured

656
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
for a live work unit, parking as it

657
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,440
would be configured according to your

658
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080
bylaw if this was a full commercial unit

659
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640
perhaps if a tenant was found for that.

660
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,279
And we meet both of those requirements.

661
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,240
These are reviewed by our engineers

662
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,000
working on behalf of the owners, part of

663
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,600
our consulting team. They're also

664
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,200
reviewed by planning. They're also

665
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,679
reviewed by Coldwood engineers as well.

666
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:01,600
And we are not seeking any parking

667
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080
variance and in this location under the

668
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,360
neighborhood hub. You could but it's

669
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,200
quite clear as you have heard and read

670
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440
in correspondence there is a concern for

671
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440
parking in this neighborhood. So we are

672
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,600
honoring the parking requirements. That

673
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,440
will also mean that during the

674
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,919
construction as well there might be

675
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:21,760
sufficient room for the trades to

676
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,679
actually park on the on the property

677
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:25,039
itself.

678
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,880
Electrical connections will be provided

679
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,880
for all of those cars and all of the

680
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
bicycles within the

681
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,559
building. The site planning com

682
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:35,519
considerations, we're in a building

683
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,080
footprint quite similar to the existing

684
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,799
um uh home that is there. Now, we have

685
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,279
an attractive outdoor patio space at the

686
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,679
corner of the ground oriented live live

687
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:48,559
work unit. It specifically deals with

688
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,200
its approach and and its visibility from

689
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,159
that uh from that intersection. animates

690
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:55,399
that that

691
00:32:55,399 --> 00:32:58,000
intersection. There are new engineering

692
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,120
uh both recognizing the concern for

693
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,760
traffic in the community. City Hall and

694
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,399
Engineering has previously approved new

695
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:09,159
design requirements for Lagoon Road and

696
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:11,919
Machosen. We honor both of these in the

697
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,399
design that's here. So, this is a design

698
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,720
consistent with the ongoing development

699
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,840
of those two

700
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,919
roads. We offer on the upper uh upper

701
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:23,840
portion of the property, there is two

702
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240
three-bedroom units, there are three

703
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,640
two-bedroom units, and there are four

704
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,480
one-bedroom units on on the ground

705
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,039
floor. That's a diversity of housing

706
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,960
options, quite appropriate for the

707
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,720
schools in the neighborhood, quite

708
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,640
appropriate for the family oriented

709
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,320
neighborhood that is around this

710
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,000
intersection.

711
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,080
There is uh one groundf flooror live

712
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,559
work unit as I said that's about 600

713
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,240
square feet and there is 15 um surface

714
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,760
stalls on this location screen from

715
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,720
direct view from from the road and the

716
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,880
design has achieved 16.2 m of effective

717
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,519
distance from windows and entranceways

718
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,919
to the to the units to the closest

719
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:09,320
neighbor which is 380 Lagoon

720
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Road. We did not hear their concerns

721
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
originally, but we knew because of the

722
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,399
proximity of that building, what could

723
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:19,520
we do? So, you'll see in this diagram,

724
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000
we have respected as great a distance as

725
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,960
we can, and those uh uh both in planning

726
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,079
and in the land use committee must

727
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,879
recognize 16.2 m is a substantial

728
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:33,720
setback and hopefully reassures uh

729
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:36,000
everybody that every effort has been

730
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,879
made to uh to respect the privacy of the

731
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,280
neighbors.

732
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,520
with respect to the to the roads that we

733
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,839
we have worked around the engineering

734
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:49,839
that was approved by um by co engineers

735
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,879
but also by city council the road

736
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,720
engineering that is coming we are

737
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,440
respecting today. So those who have

738
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,960
advocated for um for changes to the

739
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,200
road, they are coming. Those tonight who

740
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,400
have expressed concern over the the the

741
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400
busyiness of the road, the busyiness of

742
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,599
it, this intersection, we understand and

743
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,000
we have designed accordingly. And the

744
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,560
driveway has been moved from the busier

745
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,200
Machosen Road purposefully to Lagoon

746
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Road and as far from the intersection as

747
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
we can.

748
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,240
uh the design has achieved its nine

749
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,720
units uh over three stories. We have

750
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,280
purposefully done so in in a manner with

751
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000
contrasting finishes and colors so that

752
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,079
even in

753
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,800
our mid winter poorly lit nature that we

754
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520
have. Um there's something about the the

755
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,760
building that will be rich and dark and

756
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,800
contrasty with bright cleaner outcomes.

757
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800
Always hoping to make sure this building

758
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,359
looks engaging, clean, and presentable

759
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,880
for the life of the building.

760
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Here we have an introduction to uh uh

761
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,880
the detail of the machosen road

762
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,000
elevation where we can see a live work

763
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,760
unit. If this is occupied by a

764
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,440
counseling office uh uh a a jewelry

765
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
studio, it is only appropriate for a

766
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440
very small endeavor. And so the the the

767
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,079
canopy around it, some bu some building

768
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,720
uses, some unit uses might be more

769
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,640
subtle. if there is a marriage counselor

770
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,960
there, perhaps that won't be in in

771
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,720
signage on the outside of the building.

772
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,680
So, that canopy is designed to look

773
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,320
appropriate with or without um the live

774
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
work unit disclosing its business on on

775
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,760
that on that sign. Around the corner on

776
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,960
Lagoon Road, the same finishes continue

777
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,800
around the corner. The same canopy on

778
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,800
that live work unit continue around the

779
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,880
corner. The stone wall continues around

780
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,960
the corner to make that intersection

781
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,839
look balanced and complete.

782
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,400
This is the gateway to Lagoon Road.

783
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,640
Lagoon Road should be thought of as a

784
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,280
quieter, more residential neighborhood.

785
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,760
And and so we have only residential

786
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240
entranceways, only residential windows

787
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,880
on that side, separating the live work

788
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,720
unit from the residential nature of

789
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,760
Lagoon Road. Further around the corner,

790
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,119
we can see an insert here for for 380

791
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,040
Lagoon Road, which is our immediate

792
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,599
neighbor. and their outline of of that

793
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,760
property is shown on on the three-story

794
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040
building elevation that we have

795
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
here. And as we say, recognizing this

796
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,000
issue, we have removed the building as

797
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,320
far as we possibly can from them and are

798
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,839
proud of achieving 16.2 meters. That is

799
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,880
a very substantial

800
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
setback. The interior sideyard now

801
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,119
facing Sangster School, elevations are

802
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,280
treated equally, materials are treated

803
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,920
equally. um the building is resolved

804
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,760
equally on on all

805
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,599
sides. And what we have achieved uh

806
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,400
throughout this the the request for a

807
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,960
zoning specific to this property of

808
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,960
those key setback recommendations that

809
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,119
are part of community planning there is

810
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,119
a recommendation that a setback from the

811
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,160
Machosen Road would be between 2 and 4.5

812
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,119
meters. We achieved three. Uh the

813
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,760
setback from Lagoon Road, the sideyard

814
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,880
recommended between two and 4.5 meters.

815
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
We achieved

816
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,480
3.6. The sideyard setback to Sangster

817
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,079
School. Yes, we have achieved the

818
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,240
minimum of 3 mters, but these are

819
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,960
corners only. The building is sawd along

820
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,640
that edge to give a little bit more

821
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,800
setback.

822
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440
and the rear yard sat back choosing

823
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,720
purposefully to put a a a low height

824
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,640
portion of this property development

825
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,280
against the neighbor. The roaded on that

826
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,320
side means when uh a recommended setback

827
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
is between three and 10 mters well we

828
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,720
have achieved

829
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:54,000
13.025 m to building faces but as I was

830
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,200
saying to the actual uh uh building 16.2

831
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,440
2 meters from the corner of the of the

832
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,079
property immediately beside us. Uh which

833
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,480
is an excellent

834
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
outcome. Thank you. We're certainly

835
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,880
available for any questions. Um and

836
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,960
we'll gladly respond to any of the

837
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,800
correspondence that's come up that we

838
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,960
have all read through in preparation for

839
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,440
tonight. Thank you.

840
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,599
Thank you. Appreciate the presentation.

841
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,119
Um I would now look to the committee to

842
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:24,720
see if we have any questions either for

843
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:30,550
the applicant or for staff.

844
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Kathleen,

845
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,440
this question is directed at both the

846
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,359
developer and the city. Um, it's been

847
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:41,200
made clear to me that traffic is an

848
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,359
issue. I have to say from the outset,

849
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,000
I'm not necessarily convinced that the

850
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,480
development itself is ne going to

851
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,880
be to exacerbate it to a significant

852
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,400
extent. However, I need to understand

853
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,800
this better. Um, I hear the citizens

854
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
talking about their concerns and I think

855
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,760
they're legitimate. My own view so far

856
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,320
is that it has been a very hectic area

857
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,800
at this the elementary school in the

858
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,240
first place. So, it's problematic. So my

859
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,440
first question is does the proposed

860
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,079
re-engineered

861
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:27,160
streetscape remedy any of the citizens

862
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,280
concern to this extent that it can.

863
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,400
um and comments perhaps also on my

864
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,520
perception. Um that this incremental

865
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,920
line nine units is going

866
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,520
to truly exacerbate it. Um I just I I'm

867
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,079
looking for input. I'm looking, you

868
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,320
know, I hear what the community is

869
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,560
saying. I now want to hear from the city

870
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,920
and in particular um the developer. I

871
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,680
think I I understand where you stand,

872
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
but just I need some more clarity on

873
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,720
that traffic issue.

874
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,040
I'll look to staff maybe to speak to the

875
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,599
traffic issue. U perhaps John, that's uh

876
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,640
that's

877
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,030
you. I thought this might come up.

878
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,880
You know, I'm not a traffic engineer. I

879
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,800
want to start there. Uh you know, if we

880
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,040
get into this deep enough, I don't know.

881
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Does the applicant have a traffic

882
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:27,720
engineer

883
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,599
tonight? Okay. So, Watt's um a good

884
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,359
company. We've seen lots of their work.

885
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:34,960
We've dealt with them lots. So, I'm I'm

886
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,520
confident in what we saw in the TIA. I

887
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,760
think when it comes to traffic, there's

888
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
there's the technical aspect and then

889
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,880
there's the social aspect, right? And

890
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,920
the technical aspect of of nine units,

891
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,839
it it's going to be imperceptible.

892
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:54,319
You're not going to see I mean there's

893
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:56,560
10,000 cars a day on Mosen. There's

894
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,520
5,000 cars a day on Lagoon. Peak hour of

895
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,720
this development is going to add five

896
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,839
cars. You're not going to see them.

897
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,359
You're not going to notice them. Where

898
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:06,880
you might notice them is where the

899
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,640
developer suggested that we put a left

900
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,319
turn lane going into the units so that

901
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,480
they can have a place to go. It that

902
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
doesn't make sense to me. Lagoon, that

903
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,079
right turn coming down. It could get

904
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,359
backed up. There's no room in the

905
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:20,800
intersection to make that happen. we'd

906
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,079
have to get rid of the left turn coming

907
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:26,079
up lagoon onto Machosen. So they also

908
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,000
suggest through the TIA that uh it would

909
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,520
be appropriate to have a left turn in

910
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,960
crossing over the left turn lane.

911
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Technically possible socially I don't

912
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,319
believe that's something we want because

913
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:38,960
my concern there is when two cars are

914
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520
sitting in the lagoon turn up onto

915
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Machosen there'll be cars waiting to

916
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,440
turn left into the development which

917
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,440
will cause us problems with a right turn

918
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,119
quickly having to notice that there's a

919
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,119
vehicle right there. It's already

920
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,960
significantly problematic with regards

921
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,800
to entrances because of the Royal Bay

922
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,280
bakery site. That is really what

923
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,760
exacerbates it besides the school,

924
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,520
right? And that's a legitimate use right

925
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,359
now. So from a development point of

926
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:05,119
view, I don't see any reason to say no

927
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,079
based on traffic. From a social aspect,

928
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,680
I understand completely why it's

929
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,720
concerning because this doesn't fix it,

930
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,560
but I don't believe it makes it worse. I

931
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,560
mean,

932
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,920
by.1% whatever percent, I don't know the

933
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,560
number. It's not different for the city.

934
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,319
It's one of our problem areas. There

935
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:24,400
will be a light at Lagoon someday. We're

936
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,440
going through the traffic master plan

937
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,440
now. This may elevate this intersection

938
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,599
through that process and say, "Let's do

939
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,440
this sooner rather than later."

940
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,280
Currently, it's not in the city's 5-year

941
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,760
plan. And I get for this neighborhood,

942
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,560
this is the most important project, but

943
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,400
we have an entire city and we've got

944
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
many, many intersections where there's

945
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,560
many, many areas that I'm quite certain

946
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,240
whenever the development shows up to the

947
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,680
next intersection, we'll have a lot of

948
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,200
people concerned there. And and this is

949
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,280
legitimate concerns that the residents

950
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,839
have. It is a very busy and I have been

951
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,599
out there at 8 and I have been out there

952
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,800
at 2:30. It's crazy. It truly is. Um

953
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200
it's it's a poor location. the school

954
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160
itself is is um congested in there with

955
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,599
regards to their parking. They actually

956
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,359
currently have some of their parking

957
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,280
stalls are on the city right ofway. And

958
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,760
when we try to build our ultimate

959
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,520
rightway, we will be taking away

960
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,000
significant school parking. So, the

961
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,520
school has an issue that at some point

962
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,560
they're going to have to figure out a

963
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,720
driver to get into the back and take the

964
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,520
playground away from the kids. Um, there

965
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,319
are issues there, but from a technical

966
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,800
point of view, I can't tell you that the

967
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,720
the traffic is really that concerning

968
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,319
from the staff perspective. We did ask

969
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:38,560
them to try to push the entrance as far

970
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,480
down to Lagoon Road as they could down

971
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,200
Lagoon Road towards uh WAM as they

972
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,599
could. We did suggest, as Kelsey

973
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,599
suggested, if you could buy a few more

974
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,240
lots, we could get down to that

975
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,119
intersection. But, you know, buying

976
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,960
those lots is a lot more difficult than

977
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,119
it sounds. Um, you know, once people

978
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:56,880
know that their lots for sale, they're

979
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,640
not going to sell it at a rate probably

980
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,400
that allows them to develop that lot in

981
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,240
a way. And if they did, there wouldn't

982
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,920
be 10 units here, there'd be 50 units

983
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,720
here. So, again, that's your tradeoff.

984
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,640
So, I can't really say technically it's

985
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,160
a problem, but I understand completely

986
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,839
why social is a problem. I hope that

987
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:16,000
helps. That's very helpful. Thank you.

988
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,280
Thank you, John. I appreciate that.

989
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Thank you, Kathleen. I'll go now to uh

990
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:21,520
are you sorry did you have more

991
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,160
questions or no but I think uh oh sorry

992
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,599
did you want to speak to her question

993
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,640
apologies I didn't see you there

994
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,480
no and that's okay I I certainly want to

995
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
reiterate that from a mathematical point

996
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,359
of view yes the number of trips per day

997
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:38,560
on machosen or on lagoon are not going

998
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640
to change in any way because of nine

999
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,280
units and one live work unit the social

1000
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,079
aspects yes absolutely we understand the

1001
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,760
pressures that are on that to that uh

1002
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,000
that that intersection at the moment and

1003
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,480
it has been uh quite discussed with the

1004
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,000
co engineering and the project will be

1005
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,920
developed only in a manner that is

1006
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,599
acceptable to the co engineers uh and we

1007
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:05,119
have certainly discussed it with the

1008
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,760
with the owner group uh we're not

1009
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,680
requesting a a left turn lane

1010
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,599
in it was a part of perhaps those those

1011
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,920
discussions and in the report that goes

1012
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,440
back to those numbers

1013
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,599
The owners are perfectly willing to

1014
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,040
allow right in and only right out to

1015
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,319
minimize that interruption of of

1016
00:46:25,319 --> 00:46:27,680
traffic. And it's an interruption of

1017
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,640
traffic that as was stated, it's there

1018
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
now. Part of which has been recognized

1019
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,760
by engineering and recognized by city

1020
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000
council, which is why those both of

1021
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,319
those roads are are being redeveloped.

1022
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:42,640
And it certainly brings that priority to

1023
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,119
that to that intersection.

1024
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,240
nine units doesn't change that. But I

1025
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,880
certainly understand as a parent myself

1026
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,560
taking kids to a school, I would want

1027
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,319
that intersection to be as safe as

1028
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,720
possible. And we're just moving our

1029
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,440
driveway off of Machosen, which is

1030
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,280
helpful, and putting it on the

1031
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960
theoretically quieter Lagoon Road, but

1032
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,599
those are the only two faces we have on

1033
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,680
the property. Thank you.

1034
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,560
Thank you. Anything else for me, Kevin?

1035
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,950
No. Okay, I'll um I'll go to James.

1036
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,599
Good evening. Uh lots to unpack here, so

1037
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,520
bear with me. I might be jumping around

1038
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,520
a little bit. Um one of the visuals that

1039
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,760
was provided in the report had a uh

1040
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,000
top-down view of the property, including

1041
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,040
the uh consumed setback for sidewalk and

1042
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,280
bicycle lane. and what also looked like

1043
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,280
a clamshell pull out parking bay for for

1044
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,040
cars. Was I mistaken in my

1045
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,760
interpretation of that? Specifically,

1046
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,079
what I'm driving towards is this could

1047
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,000
be providing at least

1048
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,319
additional spots to roadside parking

1049
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:03,640
along

1050
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,079
Sangster or for Sangster School.

1051
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,599
Sorry, James. Was that in the applicant

1052
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,280
presentation or the uh it was in in

1053
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,560
both, but it was definitely in the

1054
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,720
applicant presentation.

1055
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,319
Maybe we could pull that up again and

1056
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:22,000
see that overhead view. Uh no, if you

1057
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,950
could cycle forward a little perhaps.

1058
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,760
Yes.

1059
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Uh so what you can see is on Lagoon Road

1060
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
uh at the conclusion of the driving

1061
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,520
lanes there is a a boulevard and then a

1062
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,760
sidewalk. And on Lagoon Road the bicycle

1063
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,400
lane is incorporated beside the traffic

1064
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,520
lanes. On Machosen Road, both the

1065
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,160
bicycle lane and the pedestrian walkway

1066
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,720
is pulled away from Machosen and there

1067
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,240
is a landscape boulevard separating

1068
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,119
traffic from uh um from the bicycle and

1069
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,440
p pedestrian pathway. There is no

1070
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,280
additional parking being provided.

1071
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,079
There's parking there now, but that

1072
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,920
parking is removed with the

1073
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,880
redevelopment of the road.

1074
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Thank you.

1075
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,280
Uh so something that I think is perhaps

1076
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,400
worth considering is if the boulevard is

1077
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,319
worth it at this point or if some form

1078
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,960
of pull out parking uh could elim

1079
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,359
alleviate some of the concerns there. Um

1080
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,760
first and foremost, thank you so much to

1081
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,760
the public for providing such valuable

1082
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,000
feedback. It is incredible to see such

1083
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,680
turnout and such uh concern because not

1084
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,160
only do I hear very strong messages for

1085
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,319
the developer, but I also hear very

1086
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,960
strong messages for the city. Um

1087
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,200
particularly around the traffic, it's

1088
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,119
all well heard uh the concerns here. Um,

1089
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:52,559
the first thing that came to my mind

1090
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:54,119
when reading

1091
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:58,079
this agenda here is the fact that Royal

1092
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,400
Bay is being built out and we have

1093
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,359
thousands of residents being uh

1094
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,079
introduced to the city of Cwood just

1095
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,200
further down the road. So yeah, I agree

1096
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,720
that even the imperceptible blip of

1097
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,359
volume introduced through eight new lots

1098
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:20,319
is going to be even more uh um uh

1099
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,559
diminished through all these new lots

1100
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,079
and the city's plans for Mosen Road is

1101
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,720
becoming a paramount issue. the the

1102
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,960
mother and children being hit being a

1103
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,160
clear issue and exemplifying the the

1104
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,920
problem that's present regardless of

1105
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,119
what is built along that

1106
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,119
corner. To the developer, uh the mix of

1107
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,200
units, I love it. Three unit, two unit,

1108
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,760
one, one unit, uh sorry, bedrooms and

1109
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,599
that being one of which being a

1110
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:48,800
commercial flexible space. I think

1111
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,680
that's incredible use of the space. I

1112
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,800
think that there's a good opportunity

1113
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,359
for those homes to be families with kids

1114
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:57,920
that go to that school potentially live

1115
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,160
eliminating some of the the volume of

1116
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,040
traffic there. Um the other things uh

1117
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,079
that sorry back to the the city um the

1118
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,000
necessity for a new school within Royal

1119
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Bay, pulling those people out of

1120
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Sangster, putting them in uh the other

1121
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,240
school that is anticipated in Royal Bay,

1122
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,800
I believe uh could also help with this

1123
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,400
massive congestion problem in that area.

1124
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Um

1125
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,559
the one of the residents provided uh

1126
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,760
insight as to installing solar panels

1127
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,200
with the installation. That is something

1128
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,520
I definitely endorse. I think that's a a

1129
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,599
really good way about being cognizant of

1130
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,680
uh the world that we're in and uh

1131
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,079
minimizing the impact that space would

1132
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:48,280
uh result in causing.

1133
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,200
And yeah, I guess the the sort of final

1134
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,880
question that I really have is like to

1135
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,200
the city like what do we know about the

1136
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,520
school that's coming along? I know that

1137
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,520
things are moving. What are the plans

1138
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,440
for Machosen Road? Like the real issue

1139
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,880
here being brought forward by the

1140
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,359
residents is the traffic, not not this

1141
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:08,160
particular uh property. It's their this

1142
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,160
this is this is their chance to voice

1143
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,839
the concerns that have always been

1144
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:20,630
present.

1145
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,640
the M

1146
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,839
chosen, excuse me, the M chosen piece um

1147
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:28,400
should be addressed to some form with

1148
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,200
regards to um timing. Um we are going

1149
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,040
through the the TMP process,

1150
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,800
transportation master plan process,

1151
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,480
which is a complete public engagement

1152
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,079
piece. We'll be reaching out to

1153
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,240
neighborhoods. Um this is the kind of

1154
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,319
intersection where we would anticipate

1155
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:45,839
people in that area coming out and

1156
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:47,280
saying, "Hey, we need that traffic light

1157
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,680
and we need it now." Um there's

1158
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,000
certainly u many other areas. One of the

1159
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760
things that council has endorsed the

1160
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,280
last several years is a traffic model

1161
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,800
which allows us to really

1162
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,760
comprehensively look at the impact of uh

1163
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,920
development and look at the impact of

1164
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,760
changing our intersections and what they

1165
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,440
look like with regards to lane widening

1166
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,160
and so on. So Mosen currently is planned

1167
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,880
as an arterial. It is an arterial road.

1168
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,280
Um and we are discussing um various

1169
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,440
treatments on that from three to four

1170
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,440
lanes of traffic in there with bike

1171
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160
lanes with sidewalks. Um and that's what

1172
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,000
they talk to when they refer to that 25

1173
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,559
meter rideway. That rightway would have

1174
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,119
uh extra lanes of traffic with bike

1175
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,520
lanes and sidewalks all in there. So

1176
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,280
that development hasn't got a timing on

1177
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,040
it yet with regards to Mitchosen and

1178
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,800
obviously Mitchosen is se several

1179
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920
kilometers long as is Latoria as is Souk

1180
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,400
as is Veterans Memorial all of those

1181
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,160
roads will be discussed with regards to

1182
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,440
treatments and timing of those

1183
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,000
treatments uh in the coming years. Thank

1184
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,559
you. And you know whether or not this

1185
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,280
development proceeds I I truly feel that

1186
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,559
the problem's only going to get worse

1187
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,880
due to how much we are building out

1188
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,440
further south along the Chosen. So it's

1189
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,960
it's it's just a whole separate

1190
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,440
conversation that is pressing. Um the

1191
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,079
final thing that was uh a a big point of

1192
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,000
concern for me right now. Um and this

1193
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,480
has been a topic previously is the

1194
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
notification distance for residents on

1195
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,119
development per uh like we had many of

1196
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,680
the people only find out at last minute.

1197
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,040
I know that we've talked about making

1198
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,400
improvements there. I know that was

1199
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,680
several months ago. I'm really

1200
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,240
interested to understand uh how far

1201
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,319
along the process we are to improving

1202
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:27,839
those uh standards.

1203
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:29,200
Thank you for the question and through

1204
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,800
the chair. Um so yes, bylaw amendments

1205
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,800
were passed to increase the notification

1206
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,000
radius to 100 meters. Um in this case,

1207
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
the city has not sent out notifications

1208
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,680
yet um as we will be notifying um prior

1209
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,480
to first reading which is on May 26. So

1210
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,240
our notices our notices haven't gone out

1211
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,920
yet, but yes, we we'll be within that

1212
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,559
100 meter range with the caveat that if

1213
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,160
there's half a culde-sac, we will add

1214
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,160
the other half of the culdeac. So yes,

1215
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,720
we um those amendments have been made.

1216
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,680
We advise the applicant that um we will

1217
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,760
be setting notes within 100 meters. So

1218
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,640
that that's just what they chose to do.

1219
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,280
Thank you for that.

1220
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,800
And you know, I really appreciate

1221
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,119
getting uh to hear what the the the

1222
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,119
public want to say. and you know being

1223
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,119
on this committee helps me be a voice

1224
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,359
for the the public. So if there's a way

1225
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,119
to get notifications out such that

1226
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,359
they're able to provide voices at at at

1227
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,520
this forum as well um I would certainly

1228
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,520
appreciate that.

1229
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,240
Thank you.

1230
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,829
Thank you Mr. Perry. I will go to Trina.

1231
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,640
Thank you chair. Um, I would also like

1232
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,599
to thank all the public that came out

1233
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:45,040
today and uh presented your views. I

1234
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
live in that lagoon community, so I am

1235
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920
well aware of the congestion that

1236
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,760
happens there. I happen to go to yoga

1237
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,760
class at the same time that school comes

1238
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,880
in and I try and I try and arrive at

1239
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,799
yoga class very zen, but getting through

1240
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,680
that intersection doesn't always achieve

1241
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,000
that. Um, so I do know what you speak

1242
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,280
of. Um and that's what I would like to

1243
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,400
speak to um mostly to the staff to

1244
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,799
really encourage um whatever can be done

1245
00:56:13,799 --> 00:56:19,200
to um expedite that light being put in

1246
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,200
uh that traffic congestion being

1247
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,599
addressed in some way. I took a deep d

1248
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,119
knowing that this would happen. I took a

1249
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,559
deep dive into the transportation study

1250
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:32,559
and um was discouraged to see that um

1251
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,280
counts were used from 2019 that were um

1252
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,119
the quarter growth was from counts in

1253
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:46,799
2023. I would suggest that uh new counts

1254
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:48,559
need to be done, new official counts

1255
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,480
need to be done if they if they haven't

1256
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,079
been um so that the city has the most

1257
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:58,720
up-to-date information and that our any

1258
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,640
of our transportation consultants like

1259
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,520
Watts have that information available to

1260
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,480
them.

1261
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,599
Um and then I would I would encourage at

1262
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,559
the next phase of if we go forward with

1263
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,720
this new development that the

1264
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,640
transportation study

1265
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,400
um

1266
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,480
address the anticipation of the

1267
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,799
difference that a light at that

1268
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:28,079
intersection would make. So that would

1269
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,119
be things that will be helpful to the

1270
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,760
committee to uh be able to help make her

1271
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,280
decisions in the future with regard to

1272
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,119
this corner.

1273
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,520
Thank you. Thank you, Trina. Um John, I

1274
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,799
may go to you in a moment, but maybe I

1275
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:42,240
just like to try to address that first.

1276
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,599
I think the most recent traffic modeling

1277
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,760
um isn't a static count. It's it's more

1278
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,880
of an incorporation of um you know

1279
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,200
what's what exists today but also what

1280
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,720
what is on the books in terms of

1281
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,480
development in this moment but also

1282
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,160
moving out well into the future. I think

1283
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,280
it was 40 years if I'm correct. So the

1284
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,359
traffic modeling that we have gives us a

1285
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,440
pretty good window you know going very

1286
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,280
far out and certainly I'll be very open

1287
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
um the the modeling demonstrates a lot

1288
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,160
of things. There's different ways to

1289
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,240
interpret it. there were different

1290
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,319
scenarios. Certainly widening Veterans

1291
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,400
Memorial to four lanes is is kind of

1292
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,920
consensus that that is something that

1293
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,160
would have to happen. Uh I personally am

1294
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,160
a proponent of widening the chosen to a

1295
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,880
minimum of three lanes. Um significant

1296
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,400
cost though associated with some of

1297
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,839
these things. I think it's beyond just

1298
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:31,520
putting a traffic light in. We you know

1299
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,839
we have to consider the the negative

1300
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:35,680
ramifications of that as well. I think

1301
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,200
what we're running up against here on

1302
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,680
Machosen Road is something we run up

1303
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,520
against elsewhere in Cwood and that

1304
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,440
Cwood was developed as a sleepy

1305
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,280
subdivision, right? A suburban

1306
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,440
neighborhood. It wasn't designed with

1307
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,440
arterial roads. Machosen Road is an

1308
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,599
arterial road today. It wasn't when

1309
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,440
Sangster Elementary was built. No one in

1310
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,040
their right mind would put an elementary

1311
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,359
school on an arterial road with a

1312
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,119
parking lot of that size. It It's

1313
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,599
ridiculous. Frankly, moving Sangster

1314
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:03,680
would be the most logical thing that

1315
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,079
anyone could do. But like us, the school

1316
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,760
board also doesn't have a bottomless pit

1317
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,680
of money. And uh it's not on their

1318
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,760
radar. I can tell you that. Um we get

1319
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,119
one new school approved provincewide

1320
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,119
annually in the entirety of British

1321
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,400
Columbia. That's directly from SD62. So,

1322
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,880
you know, relocating Sangster is not uh

1323
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,720
or or I should say one new replacement

1324
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,720
school to replace an existing school. So

1325
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,480
in an optimal scenario, we would remove

1326
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,640
Sangster. It would be a different story.

1327
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,160
But we can't do that. And then that's

1328
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,000
not by any means an attempt to bismerch

1329
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,079
the elementary school or the the great

1330
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:37,760
teachers that work there. It's just

1331
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,720
location. Mitchosen has developed into a

1332
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,400
major artery and it's how a lot of

1333
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,079
people will come and go from Cwood and

1334
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,720
that is a reality that we have to

1335
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,559
accept. That's that's not going to go

1336
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,240
away. So anyway, I think in terms of

1337
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,760
traffic modeling, there is much more

1338
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,440
updated information there and I think it

1339
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,839
gives us a really good picture of um of

1340
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,839
what's going to happen if we don't do

1341
00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,359
anything and and with the various

1342
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:01,119
scenarios of what we do do. So I

1343
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,880
digress. I just wanted to answer that on

1344
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,559
behalf of staff and then maybe I will go

1345
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,400
to Katrina. Did you have a question?

1346
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,400
I thought I saw a light. Okay. Thank

1347
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,040
you. After you. Um thanks again. I

1348
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,400
reiterate what everyone said up here

1349
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,920
that I appreciate everyone coming out

1350
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,559
here and the presentation today. Um,

1351
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,119
something I'm just thinking about and

1352
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:24,079
I'm a community member as well and use

1353
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:28,000
Machosen Road regularly is not so much

1354
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,200
necessarily when the units are finished

1355
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,559
building, but as they're being built.

1356
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,839
So, like I can't imagine that whole

1357
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:42,680
corner um having a construction site

1358
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,359
where the road's going to have to be

1359
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,839
stopped or like what does that look like

1360
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,799
in terms of like building like how long

1361
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:53,200
is it going to take? Is it going to be

1362
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,440
8:30 a.m. and the schools are going in

1363
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,160
and people are going to work and we're

1364
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,839
stopping traffic because we have an

1365
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,839
excavator in there? Like I'm just

1366
01:01:02,839 --> 01:01:05,359
wondering I I'm I'm not a SME in this

1367
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,280
area for by any means. So I'm just

1368
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,680
curious what that looks like and that

1369
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,799
whole corner being constructed for 6

1370
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:15,079
months, 8 months, nine

1371
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,480
months. Does anyone have

1372
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,839
any like information on what that looks

1373
01:01:20,839 --> 01:01:22,960
like? I'm pretty certain the site

1374
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,000
superintendent isn't here

1375
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,839
tonight. Um I can tell you that they

1376
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,359
will be constructing between school

1377
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,160
hours for certain. Um, what they'll try

1378
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,400
to avoid under best construction

1379
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,400
practices is not bringing traffic in

1380
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,799
when traffic's at its worst. It's it's,

1381
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:40,480
you know, it's it's a dollar some gain

1382
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,880
for for the developer at some point.

1383
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,079
They're going to be construction

1384
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,280
vehicles in, but they're not going to

1385
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,520
schedule a concrete pour, I would guess,

1386
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,000
if they're any kind of good site

1387
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,440
superintendent for 8:30 in the morning

1388
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,040
because they won't be able to get to the

1389
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,720
site for 8:30 because there's too many

1390
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,640
cars there. So, I think they'll do

1391
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,559
things like an early morning pour before

1392
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,640
school traffic starts. Get the concrete

1393
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,280
truck on site before that happens or

1394
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,119
just after that. There's a window there

1395
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:08,720
with school from like 9:30 to 1:30 where

1396
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,400
you've got 4 hours to bring in your

1397
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,480
concrete course. So, I'm quite certain

1398
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,319
with this site when they start looking

1399
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:15,920
at actually developing that site,

1400
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,280
they'll keep in mind that traffic

1401
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,599
because it's as problematic for them as

1402
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:21,040
it is for the people that are going

1403
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,880
there. But you're also going to deal

1404
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,319
with a lot of frustration because there

1405
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,559
will be times when if they bring a truck

1406
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,200
in or a truck shows up from somewhere up

1407
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,520
island that you know got late and shows

1408
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,720
up at 1:30 or 2:00, they're going to be

1409
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,480
in it and if they've got to unload or

1410
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,760
something like that, even if they're on

1411
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,200
the site, they'll still if it's a

1412
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,119
swinging crane or something, they'll

1413
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,720
have to stop traffic while the crane

1414
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,119
swings out and comes back in. So there

1415
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,280
will be issues for sure, but to speak to

1416
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,640
them specifically, it's very difficult

1417
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,319
to do at this time. Mhm. And does the

1418
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:55,760
city have any ability to say like oh you

1419
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,119
cannot do like you're saying I think and

1420
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,319
I and I assume and if they're a good

1421
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:04,000
superintendent then they were not going

1422
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,280
to do those things but that doesn't mean

1423
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,720
they're not going to do those things

1424
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,440
because I feel like I go places all the

1425
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,359
time and it's like rush hour traffic and

1426
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,920
I blows my mind that it's like really

1427
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,680
they're doing that right now. So that's

1428
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,119
the kind of thing like just as a

1429
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,520
concerned citizen as well that they're

1430
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,240
going to be like can the city impose

1431
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,799
rules like that where you currently

1432
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:27,520
staff cannot council could through a

1433
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,960
bylaw if they want to change it. So we

1434
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,200
have working hour bylaws we have um

1435
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,920
noise bylaws certain hours and so on but

1436
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,760
at this current time we have

1437
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,359
right-of-way permits with regards to

1438
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,920
what you can put on the right of way. Um

1439
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,599
so for instance parking a truck on the

1440
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:42,799
right of way those are the kinds of

1441
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:45,440
things they can't do. Um, but as far as

1442
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,880
telling them when they can deliver

1443
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,400
trucks to the site and when they can't

1444
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,839
and those types of things, we currently

1445
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:51,440
don't have tools at our disposal to do

1446
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,960
that. Okay. Thank you. And what is from

1447
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,079
like the builders owners perspective,

1448
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,480
what is the time frame like that you

1449
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:07,510
guys have to have this built?

1450
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,039
building of this scale um can be

1451
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:16,549
constructed between 18 and 20 months

1452
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:20,640
um relative to relative to the um uh

1453
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,640
sorry can I I just asked for quiet in

1454
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,799
the gallery I mean I I don't want to

1455
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:27,359
tamp down hushed conversation but we we

1456
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:28,880
do have to allow him a chance to answer

1457
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,280
the question please

1458
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,200
uh because of the concern over school

1459
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,960
one of the things that that that the

1460
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,079
owners can do is separate the

1461
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,640
construction of the building with hard

1462
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,520
panel boarding from the sidewalks so

1463
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,839
that when the building is constructed,

1464
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:48,319
it is independent of when those road

1465
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:51,280
changes are done. Is there a way ofuling

1466
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,079
the changes to the lane and the

1467
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,240
sidewalks so that that is done at a time

1468
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,880
when the school is least occupied? When

1469
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,640
when is the building shut down? when is

1470
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,520
the building in uh uh Sangster being

1471
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,319
used more uh during the summer with a

1472
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,480
less student body population than at

1473
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,960
other times so that we're not having the

1474
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,480
construction of the lanes um at a time

1475
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,039
when the school is in is in session. And

1476
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:20,400
hard boarding to separate the existing

1477
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,880
sidewalk and those existing conditions

1478
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,200
from the construction of a building

1479
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,720
means that there should be minimal or no

1480
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,559
impact other than it's those delivery

1481
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,480
vehicles coming and going. But we can

1482
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,200
certainly make it uh quite safe during

1483
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,720
regular items. And as was said and any

1484
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,680
any good construction manager should be

1485
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,240
aware that they won't be able to plan

1486
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,799
something if they're having materials

1487
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,280
delivered during the very busy times

1488
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,920
that we know as parents. That's when

1489
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,920
schools have the biggest exchange of

1490
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,200
cars and people and students and

1491
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,119
parents. Um

1492
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,000
thank

1493
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,079
you. I think that's all my questions.

1494
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:06,240
Thanks. Great. Thank you. Are there any

1495
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,839
other questions from

1496
01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:11,599
committee Kathleen? This is not a

1497
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,079
question but just a paid political

1498
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,640
announcement on my own behalf. I wanted

1499
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,520
to pair it what James Mr. Perry has said

1500
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,400
in terms of the solar panels. I'm not

1501
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,039
sure what the incremental cost is for

1502
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,200
you, but I would encourage you as a

1503
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,960
developer to put it there. I don't know

1504
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,880
anybody who wouldn't want that

1505
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,839
initially. um your STRA council is going

1506
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:36,480
to be very happy not to have to pay for

1507
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,440
converting um and to me it's a it's a

1508
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,960
huge bonus um I hope I that I stand for

1509
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,799
other people in terms of of that

1510
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:48,079
viewpoint but I think it's a very very

1511
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,160
um important thing that just be done at

1512
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,240
the outset if if the increment

1513
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,119
incremental cost isn't prohibitive so

1514
01:06:55,119 --> 01:07:01,270
encourage you to do so thank you

1515
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,920
great thank Thank

1516
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,720
you, Mr. Perry.

1517
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,680
Yeah, I realized with all my uh general

1518
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,920
sentiments and and questions, I I failed

1519
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,880
to ensure I got a qu answer to the

1520
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,200
question about uh the school in Ro Bay.

1521
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,520
My understanding is next to the new

1522
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,280
community park, there will be a

1523
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,079
elementary school. What do we know about

1524
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,720
that lot? Where are we in that process?

1525
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,680
The best way to increase safety is

1526
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,039
getting people out of that area. And and

1527
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,960
that elementary school, I would presume,

1528
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,520
would have a similar catchment basin for

1529
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,839
children as the Sangster school has

1530
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:45,349
today.

1531
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:49,200
My understanding of the um elementary

1532
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,680
school site, it was initially um

1533
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,920
bookmarked as

1534
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,880
um elementary school site, but it is now

1535
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,480
considered for overflow for uh the

1536
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,039
secondary school. It is it is being

1537
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,079
considered as a site for overflow of

1538
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:11,680
Royal Bay Secondary School. there it is

1539
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,200
not formally

1540
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,920
um lots of conversation and review

1541
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,640
assessing the needs of the community. I

1542
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,640
think there's a lot of work from the

1543
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,480
school district 62 to understand what is

1544
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,359
the most pressing need in the Royal Bay

1545
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:30,920
community.

1546
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,759
Um, I can speak for the school district,

1547
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:37,560
but there's

1548
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,400
um I would say not an imminent

1549
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,960
development of an elementary school that

1550
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,120
I'm aware of.

1551
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:49,040
Thank you. When um forgetting like

1552
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,359
traffic congestion safety, is Sangster

1553
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:55,400
servicing its basin

1554
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,719
for elementary school children? Is it

1555
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:02,000
bursting at the seams in terms of maybe

1556
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,239
if I can populations address that? Yeah,

1557
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,960
we we council has met with SD62 a number

1558
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,920
of times and certainly Sangster is is a

1559
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,759
like all schools in the district is

1560
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,319
above its uh percentage of population.

1561
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,040
That's why you see retasking of uh band

1562
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,040
rooms and other things to classrooms.

1563
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,359
But it's not any different than I would

1564
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,839
say Dunmir or any of the other schools,

1565
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:25,600
Royal Bay Secondary, even newest

1566
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,480
schools. um all schools in SD62 are

1567
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,640
operating above 100% capacity at this

1568
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,719
point. Um but I I I just wanted to step

1569
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:36,359
in because again that Royal Bay um land

1570
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,199
is way too far off to consider as any

1571
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:40,799
kind of release valve if you will in

1572
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:43,279
terms of pressure from Sangster. Um you

1573
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,199
know could be 40 years. You know, it is

1574
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,120
really seen at this point as overflow

1575
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,759
potentially for Royal Bay Secondary, but

1576
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:51,759
again, nothing that has been confirmed

1577
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,920
by SD62 at this point, but there is no

1578
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,880
immediate uh pressure relief in sight

1579
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,719
there. Okay. Thank you for the new

1580
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:02,080
information. I appreciate that.

1581
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,000
Thank you. Any other questions at

1582
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,320
all? I don't see any. Um I think

1583
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,400
um I I just wanted to kind of observe

1584
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,040
that two things can be true at once. You

1585
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,920
know we have a situation here uh where

1586
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,560
you know the applicants have put forward

1587
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,159
um what is and I used this term before

1588
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:25,679
an isolation a solid proposal. It is a a

1589
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:28,480
attractive uh building that is OCP

1590
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,199
compliant welldesigned um meets the

1591
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,600
criteria that that we would seek on

1592
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,719
paper for for this location. Um,

1593
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:38,560
alternatively, it's also fair to say

1594
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,880
that there are perception issues. It

1595
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,040
creates a sense of crowding um, in a in

1596
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,080
a fairly low density area. Um, it

1597
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,520
becomes a bit of a lightning rod for

1598
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,360
density concerns. We know that density

1599
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,280
in Cwood has been um, contentious, we'll

1600
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,040
say, with with density increases in

1601
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Royal Bay and other areas. Um, there are

1602
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,159
perceived traffic issues. I think it's

1603
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,679
fair to to say that um our staff advice

1604
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:07,199
was accurate that the actual impact

1605
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,199
would probably be nominal barely

1606
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,520
perceptible but I understand the

1607
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,280
perception as well when you add density

1608
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,360
the belief is we are going to see

1609
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,880
additional issues and what it does is

1610
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,840
exacerbate the already stressful issue

1611
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,760
and creates a lightning rod for that to

1612
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,080
to kind of focus on. Um and then the

1613
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,679
construction concerns I understand that

1614
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:27,520
I live next door to a construction site.

1615
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,719
I live across the street from a

1616
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:31,120
construction site. Construction is 24/7

1617
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,840
and uh it's not ideal. I knew that when

1618
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,840
I was going to get into it, though, so I

1619
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,600
accept that. I think in an established

1620
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,280
neighborhood or a legacy neighborhood,

1621
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,600
having new construction is is a little

1622
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,600
more traumatic. It it has a real impact

1623
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,520
on people for a set period of time. And

1624
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,880
I don't think we want to be dismissive

1625
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,480
of that.

1626
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:52,320
Um the way I view this and and I stand

1627
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,280
to be correctly by anyone is that these

1628
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,320
two things are true at once. We we have

1629
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,480
a public perception and and a public

1630
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,760
valid public concern challenge before us

1631
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,640
and we have a a reasonably strong

1632
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,960
presentation for a development before

1633
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,679
us. And so the decision making um

1634
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:13,840
becomes a little less black and white

1635
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,600
and a little more gray. If there were

1636
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,840
compliancy issues with the project, we

1637
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,360
would easily push it back to the

1638
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,040
applicant to work with staff to correct

1639
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,760
those. Um you know, and and it becomes a

1640
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,920
very cut and dry thing. This isn't that

1641
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,360
case. So I'm open to any motion coming

1642
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,920
forward from the committee. Um but I'm

1643
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,760
just going to suggest that barring a

1644
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,600
different one, my motion would be to

1645
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,600
advance the proposal to the regular

1646
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,560
council without recommendation but

1647
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,920
strictly to um task regular council to

1648
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,320
review for consideration of readings or

1649
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,320
any other decision. So essentially

1650
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,360
elevate it to council who are elected to

1651
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,760
to take into account the public's view

1652
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,239
and to look at a project whether or not

1653
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,320
it's OCP compliant and all of those

1654
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,719
other things and and make the call. Um

1655
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:02,719
based on that um again that's the motion

1656
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:05,520
I I will put forward in a moment barring

1657
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,400
any other motion or any discussion. I'm

1658
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,080
open to to someone else if they want to

1659
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,040
make a recommendation or

1660
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,640
not. Seeing none. Okay. So I will make

1661
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,560
that motion. I'll repeat it for you.

1662
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,560
Just to advance the proposal to regular

1663
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,960
council without recommendation for

1664
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,360
review of consideration for readings or

1665
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,440
other decision.

1666
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,360
And so to explain to the folks in the

1667
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,280
audience just to lay person's terms what

1668
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,920
I'm trying to do here um is that this is

1669
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,280
going to go to council anyways. That's

1670
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,719
where the final decision rests. This

1671
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:36,159
group here this evening we were not

1672
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,080
going to make that final decision. We're

1673
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,840
looking at the the technical side of it

1674
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,760
and things to say okay is there

1675
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,280
something here that really stands out

1676
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,640
that needs to be sent back to the

1677
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,120
drawing board. Um I'm hesitant to do

1678
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,120
that because developers are also part of

1679
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,880
our community and and there's costs

1680
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,360
associated with time delays with you

1681
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,120
know redoing the work and bringing in

1682
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,040
architects and other people. So there is

1683
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,960
no cause really to do that at this

1684
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,000
stage. Um and I and time is money. We

1685
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,600
don't want to do that. So, what we will

1686
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,760
do though is put it forward to council

1687
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,840
where again you'll have that opportunity

1688
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,000
to to come forward with lots more time

1689
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,480
to prepare um well aware of how the

1690
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,320
microphone button works and and able to

1691
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,840
speak to the full council including the

1692
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,560
mayor who's been observing tonight

1693
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,199
um and and share your views and I think

1694
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,280
you know also gives the applicant a fair

1695
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,360
amount of time to take to heart your

1696
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,679
concerns and and I fully encourage them

1697
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,600
to consider that and see you know

1698
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,520
knowing full well what what the

1699
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,600
community thinks how you might mitigate

1700
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,600
that. So, it it will give everyone an

1701
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,360
opportunity to kind of go away, take a

1702
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,239
deep breath, and and regroup uh at a

1703
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:41,600
time in the future when an actual

1704
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,400
decision can be made. So, what one thing

1705
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,000
I learned in this job, it's it's never a

1706
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,840
win-win. It's kind of somewhere just

1707
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,840
below that. So, we'll we'll buy

1708
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,080
everybody some time and and move on with

1709
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,760
a little more information, provided that

1710
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,920
this um this recommendation moves

1711
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,199
forward. Mr. Perry, I see you have a a

1712
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,400
glowing light. Please go ahead. Uh the

1713
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,800
one thing that I wanted to uh see if we

1714
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,800
wanted to consider uh was if a uh

1715
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,600
planted boulevard was considered more

1716
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,679
valuable to the city than perhaps like a

1717
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:16,239
clamshell bay parking along that

1718
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:18,640
stretch. Um as mentioned it's currently

1719
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,520
used for parking um during the drop off

1720
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,000
pickup times. I feel like while the

1721
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,080
boulevard is ideal from a green space,

1722
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,640
from a safety perspective along the the

1723
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:33,040
bike lane and the um uh sidewalk, I

1724
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,280
still think that there's something worth

1725
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,960
evaluating there. Um I don't necessarily

1726
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,080
know what the rest of the uh table here

1727
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,280
believes, but um hearing um a lot of the

1728
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,400
concerns um finding ways to address and

1729
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,440
respond to them seems valuable.

1730
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:55,920
So my recommendation is to uh provide to

1731
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:01,360
council the uh amended recommendation of

1732
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,760
asking the developer or and to work with

1733
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,080
city staff to address the viability of

1734
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,110
additional parking along

1735
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,800
chosen. Okay. So we have a proposed

1736
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,480
amendment to the um the original

1737
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,760
recommendation. So, we can

1738
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,040
uh vote on

1739
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,360
the amendment first, I believe. Sorry, I

1740
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,400
have a flag raised by uh engineering.

1741
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,800
We'll just uh allow John to provide some

1742
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,600
input. Thank you. Thank you, chair. I

1743
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,880
don't want to put a wet blanket on this,

1744
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,400
but if it comes to staff, I'm going to

1745
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
suggest we don't do it. It's

1746
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,480
exacerbating the problem with regards to

1747
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,719
interaction with bicycles, cars, and

1748
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:44,320
pedestrians, especially in the school

1749
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,679
zone. That clamshell piece would be less

1750
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:49,360
than 10 meters from the intersection. So

1751
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,719
when you're making that right turn off a

1752
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:52,800
lagoon and coming on from a hill, which

1753
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,760
means you're going to probably

1754
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,600
accelerate coming out of lagoon onto

1755
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,679
Mosen, which just about everybody does,

1756
01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,199
you get those sudden stops because

1757
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,800
somebody's pulling out of that clamshell

1758
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,239
or somebody's trying to back into that

1759
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,560
parallel spot. So that's purposeful with

1760
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,239
regards to Neria Road. If you think of

1761
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:07,080
Souk

1762
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,920
Road, Machosen, believe it or not, and

1763
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,840
hard the hard thing is we've got to

1764
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,880
think 40 years out, not four years out.

1765
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,800
And Machosen is going to look like some

1766
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,840
flavor of a souk road. And we're going

1767
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,280
to try to remove every piece of parking

1768
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,120
we can off of Machosen. And putting one

1769
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,280
in now when we know it's ultimately not

1770
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,440
what we desire would be against staff's

1771
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,120
recommendation. I'm not suggesting don't

1772
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,800
do it. I'm just suggesting if I'm part

1773
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,239
of the conversation, I'm going to tell

1774
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,159
council I would recommend that we don't

1775
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:35,920
do it. And I'm sure traffic engineer

1776
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,760
would do the same. Thank you, Johnny.

1777
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Yeah, and I would I would concur. I

1778
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,480
would be voting against it if the

1779
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,000
amendment still stands. I see um

1780
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,960
Katrina, did you want to speak to it?

1781
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,560
Well, I think that you already said it,

1782
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,800
but I actually don't think that the

1783
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,800
parking is a good idea either. I think

1784
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,640
I'm just envisioning like safety being

1785
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,960
number one, kids walking along there,

1786
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,199
and I find cars coming in and out of

1787
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,199
parking spots more treacherous, and I

1788
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:02,560
think that keeping the boulevard is

1789
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,080
would be a preferred way to go. Thank

1790
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,480
you. Um, Mr. Perry, I believe very

1791
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,040
well-intentioned. Um, the amendments on

1792
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,120
the floor we can vote or you can

1793
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,960
withdraw. Up to you. I I mean, I heard

1794
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,199
very very good reasoning as to not do

1795
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:19,280
it. I I'm more than glad to retract

1796
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,679
that. uh suggestion. Thank you for your

1797
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:23,920
consideration. Thank you. And yeah, and

1798
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,679
appreciate you looking for some some

1799
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:27,679
problem solving here. Um so that brings

1800
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:30,880
us back to the um original motion. Um

1801
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,800
any further discussion on that at this

1802
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,400
point? Seeing none, I'll call the

1803
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,840
question. All those

1804
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,239
opposed. I see none. So we will move

1805
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:45,239
on. That brings us to item

1806
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:47,360
six. Sorry, I just have a question from

1807
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,880
the gallery. Maybe if you want to come

1808
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,320
up to the microphone, I'll make a

1809
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,390
exception here. And

1810
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,640
you get

1811
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,159
Yes. Yes. So the question for those

1812
01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:59,440
listening online, the question from the

1813
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,280
gallery was was seeking understanding on

1814
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,880
who gets to vote and it is just the

1815
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,840
committee members that vote um on the

1816
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,159
the motion on the floor here. So the

1817
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,480
committee has voted unanimously just to

1818
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,920
send this on to regular council um

1819
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,159
without a recommendation either for or

1820
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,880
against. just to go to council to then

1821
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,679
review the the

1822
01:19:20,679 --> 01:19:24,510
application.

1823
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,960
Okay. I I'd rather not at this point.

1824
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,560
I'm happy to speak to you afterwards if

1825
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,960
you like uh more casually. Um so at this

1826
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,719
point we'll move on to item six which is

1827
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:35,800
adjournment. Can I have a mo motion to

1828
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,960
adjurnn? I see one there. All those in

1829
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,400
favor? I pulled a mayor's trick at the

1830
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,239
end and switched it up. So that's

1831
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,000
unanimous. Uh the meeting is adjourned.

1832
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,440
Thank you everyone for your time. I

1833
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:50,760
appreciate it.