Good evening everyone. I'd like to call
to order this meeting of the planning
and land use committee for Monday, May
5th, 2025 at 6:30
p.m. First, I'd like to acknowledge with
respect that we are meeting on the
traditional territory of the Lquangan
speaking peoples and we are honored to
have the opportunity to build strong
working relationships with the people of
the Sanghes and Casspsum
nations. I'd seek uh approval of the
agenda for this
evening. Thank you. All those
opposed? Seeing none, we'll move on to
adoption of the minutes. Uh we have the
planning and land use committee minutes,
meeting minutes from April 7th,
2025. Um if I can get uh a motion to
approve, if I can just interrupt, um I
just need an amendment to the agenda
before you that late item that came in
for the committee. Absolutely. Report.
Yes. Okay. Okay. So, on the uh going
back to the agenda, um we need an
amendment to add in the uh report that
came through uh city staff. I'm just
looking for
the effective today, May 5th, um around
tenant displacement information for
resoning. Um can I have a motion to
amend the agenda to include that report?
So moved. All those
opposed? Seeing none. Um and then we'll
vote again on the
agenda. All those opposed? Seeing none.
Motion carried. Thank
you. So we will move on again to
adoption of the minutes for April 7th,
2025. Do I have a mover to adopt those
minutes? Seeing a mover. Okay. Thank
you. All those opposed? Seeing none, uh
we will move on to item four, public
participation. So members of the public
will be provided an opportunity to
present concerns or ask questions to the
committee. Um comments pertaining to the
following matters that have been subject
to a public hearing are prohibited at
this meeting. By law number
1700-10, Callwood Official Community
Plan 1700 2018, amendment number 10,
environmental development permit area.
Uh for any of those looking to um speak
this evening, uh the podium there, uh
you just have to press the little silver
button at the base of the microphone
that has a a talking face on it and you
have uh two minutes. So I would invite
any members of the public that would
wish to address the committee to please
do so.
Just at the base of the microphone
there, you'll see a little silver. There
you go.
Hello. Hi. Thank you for allowing me to
uh talk today. Is that okay? Um my name
is Allison Dean. I have sent a long
overly wordy email earlier today and I
apologize for that. Um this kind of came
to my attention last minute and I've
been dealing with a lot. Um I'm not
going to go over the contents as to what
I've already mentioned in the email. Um,
but some other information has come to
light that I just wanted to bring up and
get maybe some further information
regarding that. Um, and how this project
pertains to the OCP.
Um, so it was initially my understanding
that the request for the resoning at
3333 Mosen Road just applied to that
property alone. Yet, when I looked at
Oh, and I didn't bring it with me.
Um, when I looked at the amendment, it
applies to the exact quote was this the
resoning to C9 zone is applied within
200 meters of real travel distance from
the Machosen Road to Lagoon Road. So,
it's not just specific to this property,
but also encompasses
um company air in the neighborhood. So,
I've got two questions regarding that.
The So, with that being Oh, shoot. I'm
running out of time. So, with that being
the case, why is such a large
development being squeezed into such a
large like a small piece of land when
potentially my land could is part of the
reasoning and I've never been contacted
about that. And another question then it
states that for properties to apply for
the C9 zoning, they have to be a minimum
of 1,000 meter squared. So what happens
to properties that are less than that
that are kind of stuck between
properties that could be developed and
how does that fit with the overall um
plan of the neighborhood?
Thank you. Appreciate the questions.
Um it would just look to staff to see if
you can answer on that zoning or did you
want to wait to the staff presentation
to address that or do you have a
preference? Okay. Well, why don't we
just uh answer the the resident's
question now if we can. Thank you.
Thank you Taran. Thank you for the
question. The C9 zone um is uh intended
to be a template zone. Um so if and when
properties within 200 m um of the
Machosen and Lagoon neighborhood hub
wish to come forward for reasonzoning
the intention would to be to reszone to
C9. Today the applicant 3333 Machosen is
um seeking to reszone to that C9. This
does not um reszone any other
properties. Um and
the I apologize I forgot the other
question.
Yeah, I think the question was around a
thousand square meters. Thank you. Sorry
about that. So um yes thousand square
meters is um is intended to uh
consolidate a few lots. Um so instead of
having single um properties come into
reszone, we're trying to incentivize
having smaller properties consolidate to
create a more cohesive development.
But my question was specifically about
the Sorry, I think if I may interject, I
think the specifics about the individual
proposal we will leave to the the staff
and applicant presentation. I think you
you as to why they would want to do it
the way they've done it. I I would have
to leave it to the applicant to address
that during their presentation. I
understand that they're here and they
are presenting. So I think you know
they're aware of the question. I would
ask ideally that you uh seek to to to
provide clarification in your
presentation if you may. Thank
you. So thank you uh Kelsey for that. I
appreciate that.
Um is there anyone else in the public
that would wish to speak?
Wendy Wilson. Oh, sorry. If I could just
get you to press the button again. It
was still on. So, there you go. Thank
you. Uh Oh, wow. I'm Wendy Wilson. I
live on Wickham Road, which is directly
across from the
333
Machosen. I have one minute, two
minutes. Okay, here we go. um very much
concerned about the parking and the
entrance and exits into that both
commercial and residential property and
the number of uh vehicles that will be
going in and out of there. There's
already been at least three
children that have been hit by cars at
that intersection, either bumped or hit
involving ambulances. Anybody that would
like to come out and stand at the corner
of Lagoon Road and be chosen between
8:30 in the morning and 9:00 or two 2:30
in the afternoon and 3:00 would be most
welcome. Bring a counter. We have exits
and entrances everywhere and there are
three 400 children with their parents.
Interestingly enough, almost every kid
has at least one parent attending them.
Why? because it's such an unsafe trip
from their houses to their
school. Um, so we're very concerned
about the parking. We're very concerned
about where are the entrances going to
be. They can't be on Machosen. The
people that are currently renting there
can't get out of their property onto
Machosen. We need a crossing light.
Either pedestrian operated or a crossing
guard or both would be nice. and perhaps
a crosswalk further down the street
where it's a little bit safer to do. I'm
talking lagoon, not machosen. There's
nothing safe on Machosen.
Um, can't even read my own writing. Oh,
there's a bicycle lane that has been put
in across chosen to take people from
Royal Bay to
you just want to finish your your um to
uh Galloping Goose because they're
trying to get to work on their bicycles
which is a good thing to
encourage people. There's no parking.
There's unbelievable traffic and the con
the concept of having 10 residential
units and whatever is going to be
commercial on the bottom. Are they going
to dig a hole in the ground to park
people and how are they going to get in
and out because there are children
everywhere. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you for taking the time
to speak. Is there anyone else who'd
like to address the committee? Thank
you.
Oh, sorry. You just hit it again and
it'll come back on for you. There you
go. Hello. Okay. My name is Ola Carpick
and I live on Wickim Road at the end of
the road. I was not notified of a
meeting, but if I had been, I would have
emailed you guys sooner. I vote no. I
have two children. I cross that
crosswalk almost every day, and almost
every day, we are hit. We are almost
hit. I've been walking that crosswalk
with my four-year-old and I can feel the
wind of cars going by me. I'm concerned
about safety. Number one, I don't know
if you were there or heard about the
accident that happened this weekend on
the corner on Saturday. A mom with a
baby in a stroller and a six-year-old
were hit on that corner. This almost
happens every day. It was bound to
happen. So, if you haven't heard about
these issues of safety before, you need
to know that they're constant and
there's so many kids there. Um, the
other issue is parking. Obviously, the
people who live there barely have room
to be able to have guests and friends
over. We understand that people from the
school need to pick up their kids, so
they're constantly parking on way. Okay.
But this situation is just going to get
worse with um more development and
density in that area. I don't know how
the people who live in that current
house get in and out. Uh parking safety
traffic light. If there's not speeding
in that area and people going in and out
using it as a highway, then there's
congestion in the morning when people
try to take their kids to school and in
the afternoon when they pick them up.
It's a disaster. There's a reason that
police have started to come there.
Great. But when they're not there, bad
things happen. Uh
speeding, traffic,
parking, and then I would just like to
say that um with the bicycles on Mosen,
that's not safe either. No dedicated
safe bike lanes. Thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there
anyone else in the public that would
like to speak? I see another Hi, please.
Yeah, the mic's on for you, so you don't
need to hit a button there.
I don't have a speech, but I came at the
last minute cuz I just heard about this
and my name is Trudy Lockhart and I live
on Joyy's Place and I bring my uh two
grandchildren to school every day. I
bring them to school and I pick them up
every day. So, I see the traffic every
day and and I've bought brought my own
two children who are now in their 30s to
school that long ago. And so, I see the
difference in the traffic then and now.
Originally, when I started taking my
grandkids, I parked on the chosen road.
I stopped doing that because I could get
clipped when I opened my door. The cars
just speed by. You can't get in and
can't get out and there's no parking. So
now I park on Tipton. That's my
secret. And um walk the kids to school.
And uh the other thing I do is I park I
try I let one off at Dunmeir and then I
keep going and if there's three cars on
painter trying to turn right on
Machosen, I know I won't get the other
one to school on time because nobody can
get on to Machosen. So I I'll take one
wherever I can and if I can then I'll
zip to the right and then I'll zip into
L Sangster Lane which says resident
resident resident but I know one of the
mothers on that street she said Trudy
you can you can park there. So it's like
it's stressful there's no parking for
school and this will just make it more
problematic. So that it sounds like a
minor but this is what all the parents
have to deal with thanks to every day
and it is it is a worry. It's just a big
worry. So, I don't know how this complex
adding people to a corner
that's super busy, how you're going to
deal with that. But, so that's my
concern. Thank you for listening to me.
Thank you. Without rehearsal, right on
two minutes. So, congratulations. I
understand someone else would like to
come speak. Welcome. Hi.
Oh, you'll have to hit the button again.
Yeah. When the light comes on. There you
There we go. Hi, I'm Lori Pater. I live
on Maywell and I did attend the initial
um public meeting about this
development.
And um my primary concerns are around
the entrance to the property being so
close to a busy intersection on an
access road. So Lagoon is not
a primary road like Machosen, but it is
an access road for all of the other
streets in the neighborhood.
And being on
Maywell, our issue will be that even if
as the developers have indicated there
will be um no left turning into that
property, that would push by human
nature people to turn into
Wickheim, turn around in that our
culde-sac which is also busy with
children and the residents being in the
neighborhood. So, you're forcing more
people, including the chiropractor
um patients and all of the like I've
seen city of Cowwood vehicles parked in
that area
frequently. We're concerned that with
the additional traffic and the distance
to the main intersection of Machosen and
Lagoon that something will need to
happen in order to make it safe and to
make
it more convenient for people that could
potentially live in that development. I
do believe it is
also too high a density for the spot.
Thank you. Great. Thank you very
much. Is there anyone else in the
gallery that would wish to speak this
evening? Anybody else? No.
So, oh, we do have one more person.
Welcome.
That's okay. There's no requirement to
be prepared.
Um, my name is Darling Morgan. I live on
Matilda down towards the lagoon. Um, one
thing that may not have been raised is
uh the noise and the impact on children
trying to learn in school. I lived next
to a construction site in Souk for
almost two years and I will tell you it
is unreal.
So, um I can't imagine little kids
trying to focus on what they're doing
with a major construction site literally
next door. Um factor in the developments
that are already, I believe,
pre-approved at for some point in time
at Heatherbell down towards uh Seaffield
and at the end of Heatherbell. That's
going to put another huge traffic load
onto Lagoon Road when they take place uh
looking forward into the future. It is,
as somebody mentioned, an access road.
It's also I noticed today the sign. It's
also a tsunami evacuation route road up.
Um, this corner is not a place to put
any highdensity building. As mentioned,
it's busy. It's full of children. It's
full of traffic. There are proposed
hundreds of more residents within the
next decade or sooner that are going to
be using that corner. Um, it's it's just
not the place for this type of
development. It's literally on top of
the corner. Thank you.
Thank you. Is there anyone else that
would like to come speak? I can't see
the back row, but just in case, I'll
make a last call for public
participation. No, seeing none. Okay.
Well, first of all, thank you to to
everyone who's taken the time to show up
this evening and um you know, and share
your thoughts with the committee. Um I
speak from experience and being on the
other side of the podium can be a little
intimidating if you're not familiar with
the process and you know you show up out
of the blue to um just to be told time
and again where the microphone button
is. So um you know thank you for for
sharing um resident input is valuable
both to the committee and to to the
council. So what we will do now is um is
move on to item five new business. Uh
item 5.1 the resoning application for
3333 Machosen Road. and I'll call on uh
Kelsey Field and uh city planner to uh
give a staff presentation and then I
believe following that we will have an
applicant presentation. Over to
you. Thank you chair and committee
members. I will be giving a brief
presentation on the resoning application
for 3333 Matosen Road.
The applicant is requesting an amendment
from the existing R1 zone to a new C9
zone to enable a 10-unit three-story
apartment building with nine residential
units and one convertible live work
studio or commercial unit at the
corner. The property is a flat square
lot located at the corner of Lagoon and
Machosen Road with an existing single
family dwelling with vehicle access off
Machosen Road. It is across the street
from the commercial hub which includes
Royal Bay Bakery. The property neighbors
Sangster Elementary to the north and is
designated as neighborhood center in the
OCP and more specifically the Machosen
and Lagoon neighborhood hub
designation. The neighborhood center
designation envisions smallcale mixeduse
centers with an F ranging up to 1.75.
The more specific Machosen Lagoon
neighborhood hub outlines a maximum
height of three stories and encourages
uses geared to geared to neighborhood
retail and services within a 200 meter
uh of the
intersection. Staff have created a new
C9 zone which enables the density
envisioned for the Machosen Lagoon
neighborhood hub. The creation of a new
C zone is consistent with other mixed
use centers including the Royal Bay
Bakery Complex.
A CZ zone is intended to encourage
small-scale neighborhoods serving
commercial uses as opposed to just
residential
use. It is expected that properties
within 200 meters of the OCP designation
will reszone to C9 if and when they come
forward. Permitted uses include
apartment, bakery, personal service,
retail store, and live work studio.
The development agreement includes road
dedication in the amount of 2.5 meters
along Machosen Road to meet a 25 meter
ride ofway to achieve active
transportation goals. No road dedication
is required along Lagoon Road as it
currently meets the 20 m ride
ofway. The proposal as is provides right
in right out access off Lagoon Road.
Staff did encourage the applicant to
consolidate with neighboring properties
to push the access further down Lagoon
Road. However, they noted it was not
feasible at this time. The
transportation impact assessment or TIA
notes that no intersection upgrades at
Machosen and Lagoon Road are needed for
this
development. There is a mature tree
fronting the property along Machosen
Road that is currently tagged for
removal for city infrastructure. The
tree as it sits today is on private
property, however, will be considered a
city tree once the 2.5 meters of road
dedication is complete.
A development notification sign was
posted on both frontages and the
applicant hosted a neighborhood
consultation meeting earlier this year.
Notification postcards will be sent to
properties within 100 meters of the site
prior to considering considering
readings of the amending bylaw scheduled
for May
26th. Notification will also be posted
in the newspaper and highlighted on the
website.
committee may wish to consider
recommending the staff recommendation or
any of the alternatives seen above. I
also wanted to note that an additional
staff report has been provided to you
and will be appended to the agenda
tomorrow providing clarity on tenant
displacement policies as there were
concerns brought forward by one of the
existing
tenants. Uh an additional development
agreement condition is recommended that
a demolition permit will not be issued
until a development permit has been
submitted to the city. This conditions
should alleviate some concerns of the
timing of
displacement. Thank you. I'm happy to
answer questions you may have. The
applicant is also prepared to speak and
will speak next.
Thank you, Kelsey. Um, I'd look for the
uh committee to see if there's any
questions and and just for
clarification, sorry, the questions are
limited to the committee at this stage.
Um, is there any questions from the
committee to
staff? We're seeing none. Let's proceed
to the applicant presentation and that
might uh lead to a more wholesome
picture. Thank you. Uh Peter Hart Castle
on behalf of Hill Architecture and on
behalf of a group of individuals that
got together to purchase this property
some time ago. They are not a
development company. They're just a
series of individuals who happen to own
this investment
property. And as you heard uh in the
official community plan, this is a
neighborhood hub and planning uh
emphasizes that this is a mixeduse
building where mixeduse buildings are
encouraged. A commercial presence on on
the ground floor is encouraged and
multif family residential uses in the
remaining area on those floors and
floors above are also encouraged. and
the existing property contains an
original single family home and it's
unable to meet some of those
requirements of the the official
communic community plan or the or the
neighborhood plan. So it began a design
process to come up with a with a pro
with a with an outcome that would be
respectful not only of the community and
neighborhood planning but respectful of
the existing neighbors and the
neighborhood as this is a gateway to
Lagoon Road. a desire for a mixeduse
building. It was advocated by planning.
We're certainly happy to entertain that
and we have designed an outcome that
with the input of planning actually is
far better than the original one I think
that was was presented. There is a need
for a mix of residential units which we
are we are providing and and without
compromising the uh the the parking
there is no parking variance being
submitted with this and yes respecting
where we can the existing trees and
planting significant new trees as well.
The official community plan we are
consistent with. We are providing nine
residential units and one live work unit
that could actually be retained for a
full commercial teny. The owners would
like to keep it as a live work unit.
Seems most appropriate and it's a very
uh almost a subtle location compared to
other businesses in the community. The
building design has a density less than
than that was permitted that was just
outlined. We are at 76 to one whereas
the maximum advocated is
1.75. Uh and we have a height of only
three stories so as not to impose on on
adjacent properties but also consistent
with other properties that have been
developed along the chosen road. And we
are offering a mix of housing options
and we do have a housing issue at the
moment. So bringing forth with three
bedrooms, two bedrooms and one-bedroom
outcomes is quite appropriate. And yes,
we did uh we did have an engagement
process with the community. We sent uh
as you can see from the map here, we
sent out uh invitations to 70 different
addresses. We had uh roughly 10 people
attend that evening. Uh five comment
cards were received and we have all
received more correspondents up until
noon today. uh and we think this this
reflects well uh on the on the project.
We also appreciate that this project
outcome has been drawn into a a larger
discussion is can this be an appropriate
zoning that could be applied elsewhere.
We are only of course applying for
zoning on this particular property. our
architectural program that we achieved.
Uh the upper two stories um host two and
threebedroom units. Um with those
primary living spaces and balconies on
their lowest floor, internal stairs
going up to a traditional second floor
of bedrooms and washrooms for those.
These are placed over five units on the
ground floor. Four singlebedroom
residential units which are walk-in and
walk out will be very appropriate for
adaptable housing uses and capable of
accommodating the new building code
requirements for adaptable
housing with a corner unit which is
designed as a live work unit. So it can
be both a homebased business uh and a
and a residence. It is 55 square meters
or 600 square ft. Below all of this,
there is only the center unit itself
that is excavated to a full height
basement. That's all that's required in
order to accommodate bicycle and
residential um uh storage units, uh
sprinkler uh valves and and things like
this. It is not a full excavation for
the entire property.
We did go through a process uh reviewing
uh the the parking for the property.
Both parking as it would be configured
for a live work unit, parking as it
would be configured according to your
bylaw if this was a full commercial unit
perhaps if a tenant was found for that.
And we meet both of those requirements.
These are reviewed by our engineers
working on behalf of the owners, part of
our consulting team. They're also
reviewed by planning. They're also
reviewed by Coldwood engineers as well.
And we are not seeking any parking
variance and in this location under the
neighborhood hub. You could but it's
quite clear as you have heard and read
in correspondence there is a concern for
parking in this neighborhood. So we are
honoring the parking requirements. That
will also mean that during the
construction as well there might be
sufficient room for the trades to
actually park on the on the property
itself.
Electrical connections will be provided
for all of those cars and all of the
bicycles within the
building. The site planning com
considerations, we're in a building
footprint quite similar to the existing
um uh home that is there. Now, we have
an attractive outdoor patio space at the
corner of the ground oriented live live
work unit. It specifically deals with
its approach and and its visibility from
that uh from that intersection. animates
that that
intersection. There are new engineering
uh both recognizing the concern for
traffic in the community. City Hall and
Engineering has previously approved new
design requirements for Lagoon Road and
Machosen. We honor both of these in the
design that's here. So, this is a design
consistent with the ongoing development
of those two
roads. We offer on the upper uh upper
portion of the property, there is two
three-bedroom units, there are three
two-bedroom units, and there are four
one-bedroom units on on the ground
floor. That's a diversity of housing
options, quite appropriate for the
schools in the neighborhood, quite
appropriate for the family oriented
neighborhood that is around this
intersection.
There is uh one groundf flooror live
work unit as I said that's about 600
square feet and there is 15 um surface
stalls on this location screen from
direct view from from the road and the
design has achieved 16.2 m of effective
distance from windows and entranceways
to the to the units to the closest
neighbor which is 380 Lagoon
Road. We did not hear their concerns
originally, but we knew because of the
proximity of that building, what could
we do? So, you'll see in this diagram,
we have respected as great a distance as
we can, and those uh uh both in planning
and in the land use committee must
recognize 16.2 m is a substantial
setback and hopefully reassures uh
everybody that every effort has been
made to uh to respect the privacy of the
neighbors.
with respect to the to the roads that we
we have worked around the engineering
that was approved by um by co engineers
but also by city council the road
engineering that is coming we are
respecting today. So those who have
advocated for um for changes to the
road, they are coming. Those tonight who
have expressed concern over the the the
busyiness of the road, the busyiness of
it, this intersection, we understand and
we have designed accordingly. And the
driveway has been moved from the busier
Machosen Road purposefully to Lagoon
Road and as far from the intersection as
we can.
uh the design has achieved its nine
units uh over three stories. We have
purposefully done so in in a manner with
contrasting finishes and colors so that
even in
our mid winter poorly lit nature that we
have. Um there's something about the the
building that will be rich and dark and
contrasty with bright cleaner outcomes.
Always hoping to make sure this building
looks engaging, clean, and presentable
for the life of the building.
Here we have an introduction to uh uh
the detail of the machosen road
elevation where we can see a live work
unit. If this is occupied by a
counseling office uh uh a a jewelry
studio, it is only appropriate for a
very small endeavor. And so the the the
canopy around it, some bu some building
uses, some unit uses might be more
subtle. if there is a marriage counselor
there, perhaps that won't be in in
signage on the outside of the building.
So, that canopy is designed to look
appropriate with or without um the live
work unit disclosing its business on on
that on that sign. Around the corner on
Lagoon Road, the same finishes continue
around the corner. The same canopy on
that live work unit continue around the
corner. The stone wall continues around
the corner to make that intersection
look balanced and complete.
This is the gateway to Lagoon Road.
Lagoon Road should be thought of as a
quieter, more residential neighborhood.
And and so we have only residential
entranceways, only residential windows
on that side, separating the live work
unit from the residential nature of
Lagoon Road. Further around the corner,
we can see an insert here for for 380
Lagoon Road, which is our immediate
neighbor. and their outline of of that
property is shown on on the three-story
building elevation that we have
here. And as we say, recognizing this
issue, we have removed the building as
far as we possibly can from them and are
proud of achieving 16.2 meters. That is
a very substantial
setback. The interior sideyard now
facing Sangster School, elevations are
treated equally, materials are treated
equally. um the building is resolved
equally on on all
sides. And what we have achieved uh
throughout this the the request for a
zoning specific to this property of
those key setback recommendations that
are part of community planning there is
a recommendation that a setback from the
Machosen Road would be between 2 and 4.5
meters. We achieved three. Uh the
setback from Lagoon Road, the sideyard
recommended between two and 4.5 meters.
We achieved
3.6. The sideyard setback to Sangster
School. Yes, we have achieved the
minimum of 3 mters, but these are
corners only. The building is sawd along
that edge to give a little bit more
setback.
and the rear yard sat back choosing
purposefully to put a a a low height
portion of this property development
against the neighbor. The roaded on that
side means when uh a recommended setback
is between three and 10 mters well we
have achieved
13.025 m to building faces but as I was
saying to the actual uh uh building 16.2
2 meters from the corner of the of the
property immediately beside us. Uh which
is an excellent
outcome. Thank you. We're certainly
available for any questions. Um and
we'll gladly respond to any of the
correspondence that's come up that we
have all read through in preparation for
tonight. Thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate the presentation.
Um I would now look to the committee to
see if we have any questions either for
the applicant or for staff.
Kathleen,
this question is directed at both the
developer and the city. Um, it's been
made clear to me that traffic is an
issue. I have to say from the outset,
I'm not necessarily convinced that the
development itself is ne going to
be to exacerbate it to a significant
extent. However, I need to understand
this better. Um, I hear the citizens
talking about their concerns and I think
they're legitimate. My own view so far
is that it has been a very hectic area
at this the elementary school in the
first place. So, it's problematic. So my
first question is does the proposed
re-engineered
streetscape remedy any of the citizens
concern to this extent that it can.
um and comments perhaps also on my
perception. Um that this incremental
line nine units is going
to truly exacerbate it. Um I just I I'm
looking for input. I'm looking, you
know, I hear what the community is
saying. I now want to hear from the city
and in particular um the developer. I
think I I understand where you stand,
but just I need some more clarity on
that traffic issue.
I'll look to staff maybe to speak to the
traffic issue. U perhaps John, that's uh
that's
you. I thought this might come up.
You know, I'm not a traffic engineer. I
want to start there. Uh you know, if we
get into this deep enough, I don't know.
Does the applicant have a traffic
engineer
tonight? Okay. So, Watt's um a good
company. We've seen lots of their work.
We've dealt with them lots. So, I'm I'm
confident in what we saw in the TIA. I
think when it comes to traffic, there's
there's the technical aspect and then
there's the social aspect, right? And
the technical aspect of of nine units,
it it's going to be imperceptible.
You're not going to see I mean there's
10,000 cars a day on Mosen. There's
5,000 cars a day on Lagoon. Peak hour of
this development is going to add five
cars. You're not going to see them.
You're not going to notice them. Where
you might notice them is where the
developer suggested that we put a left
turn lane going into the units so that
they can have a place to go. It that
doesn't make sense to me. Lagoon, that
right turn coming down. It could get
backed up. There's no room in the
intersection to make that happen. we'd
have to get rid of the left turn coming
up lagoon onto Machosen. So they also
suggest through the TIA that uh it would
be appropriate to have a left turn in
crossing over the left turn lane.
Technically possible socially I don't
believe that's something we want because
my concern there is when two cars are
sitting in the lagoon turn up onto
Machosen there'll be cars waiting to
turn left into the development which
will cause us problems with a right turn
quickly having to notice that there's a
vehicle right there. It's already
significantly problematic with regards
to entrances because of the Royal Bay
bakery site. That is really what
exacerbates it besides the school,
right? And that's a legitimate use right
now. So from a development point of
view, I don't see any reason to say no
based on traffic. From a social aspect,
I understand completely why it's
concerning because this doesn't fix it,
but I don't believe it makes it worse. I
mean,
by.1% whatever percent, I don't know the
number. It's not different for the city.
It's one of our problem areas. There
will be a light at Lagoon someday. We're
going through the traffic master plan
now. This may elevate this intersection
through that process and say, "Let's do
this sooner rather than later."
Currently, it's not in the city's 5-year
plan. And I get for this neighborhood,
this is the most important project, but
we have an entire city and we've got
many, many intersections where there's
many, many areas that I'm quite certain
whenever the development shows up to the
next intersection, we'll have a lot of
people concerned there. And and this is
legitimate concerns that the residents
have. It is a very busy and I have been
out there at 8 and I have been out there
at 2:30. It's crazy. It truly is. Um
it's it's a poor location. the school
itself is is um congested in there with
regards to their parking. They actually
currently have some of their parking
stalls are on the city right ofway. And
when we try to build our ultimate
rightway, we will be taking away
significant school parking. So, the
school has an issue that at some point
they're going to have to figure out a
driver to get into the back and take the
playground away from the kids. Um, there
are issues there, but from a technical
point of view, I can't tell you that the
the traffic is really that concerning
from the staff perspective. We did ask
them to try to push the entrance as far
down to Lagoon Road as they could down
Lagoon Road towards uh WAM as they
could. We did suggest, as Kelsey
suggested, if you could buy a few more
lots, we could get down to that
intersection. But, you know, buying
those lots is a lot more difficult than
it sounds. Um, you know, once people
know that their lots for sale, they're
not going to sell it at a rate probably
that allows them to develop that lot in
a way. And if they did, there wouldn't
be 10 units here, there'd be 50 units
here. So, again, that's your tradeoff.
So, I can't really say technically it's
a problem, but I understand completely
why social is a problem. I hope that
helps. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you, John. I appreciate that.
Thank you, Kathleen. I'll go now to uh
are you sorry did you have more
questions or no but I think uh oh sorry
did you want to speak to her question
apologies I didn't see you there
no and that's okay I I certainly want to
reiterate that from a mathematical point
of view yes the number of trips per day
on machosen or on lagoon are not going
to change in any way because of nine
units and one live work unit the social
aspects yes absolutely we understand the
pressures that are on that to that uh
that that intersection at the moment and
it has been uh quite discussed with the
co engineering and the project will be
developed only in a manner that is
acceptable to the co engineers uh and we
have certainly discussed it with the
with the owner group uh we're not
requesting a a left turn lane
in it was a part of perhaps those those
discussions and in the report that goes
back to those numbers
The owners are perfectly willing to
allow right in and only right out to
minimize that interruption of of
traffic. And it's an interruption of
traffic that as was stated, it's there
now. Part of which has been recognized
by engineering and recognized by city
council, which is why those both of
those roads are are being redeveloped.
And it certainly brings that priority to
that to that intersection.
nine units doesn't change that. But I
certainly understand as a parent myself
taking kids to a school, I would want
that intersection to be as safe as
possible. And we're just moving our
driveway off of Machosen, which is
helpful, and putting it on the
theoretically quieter Lagoon Road, but
those are the only two faces we have on
the property. Thank you.
Thank you. Anything else for me, Kevin?
No. Okay, I'll um I'll go to James.
Good evening. Uh lots to unpack here, so
bear with me. I might be jumping around
a little bit. Um one of the visuals that
was provided in the report had a uh
top-down view of the property, including
the uh consumed setback for sidewalk and
bicycle lane. and what also looked like
a clamshell pull out parking bay for for
cars. Was I mistaken in my
interpretation of that? Specifically,
what I'm driving towards is this could
be providing at least
additional spots to roadside parking
along
Sangster or for Sangster School.
Sorry, James. Was that in the applicant
presentation or the uh it was in in
both, but it was definitely in the
applicant presentation.
Maybe we could pull that up again and
see that overhead view. Uh no, if you
could cycle forward a little perhaps.
Yes.
Uh so what you can see is on Lagoon Road
uh at the conclusion of the driving
lanes there is a a boulevard and then a
sidewalk. And on Lagoon Road the bicycle
lane is incorporated beside the traffic
lanes. On Machosen Road, both the
bicycle lane and the pedestrian walkway
is pulled away from Machosen and there
is a landscape boulevard separating
traffic from uh um from the bicycle and
p pedestrian pathway. There is no
additional parking being provided.
There's parking there now, but that
parking is removed with the
redevelopment of the road.
Thank you.
Uh so something that I think is perhaps
worth considering is if the boulevard is
worth it at this point or if some form
of pull out parking uh could elim
alleviate some of the concerns there. Um
first and foremost, thank you so much to
the public for providing such valuable
feedback. It is incredible to see such
turnout and such uh concern because not
only do I hear very strong messages for
the developer, but I also hear very
strong messages for the city. Um
particularly around the traffic, it's
all well heard uh the concerns here. Um,
the first thing that came to my mind
when reading
this agenda here is the fact that Royal
Bay is being built out and we have
thousands of residents being uh
introduced to the city of Cwood just
further down the road. So yeah, I agree
that even the imperceptible blip of
volume introduced through eight new lots
is going to be even more uh um uh
diminished through all these new lots
and the city's plans for Mosen Road is
becoming a paramount issue. the the
mother and children being hit being a
clear issue and exemplifying the the
problem that's present regardless of
what is built along that
corner. To the developer, uh the mix of
units, I love it. Three unit, two unit,
one, one unit, uh sorry, bedrooms and
that being one of which being a
commercial flexible space. I think
that's incredible use of the space. I
think that there's a good opportunity
for those homes to be families with kids
that go to that school potentially live
eliminating some of the the volume of
traffic there. Um the other things uh
that sorry back to the the city um the
necessity for a new school within Royal
Bay, pulling those people out of
Sangster, putting them in uh the other
school that is anticipated in Royal Bay,
I believe uh could also help with this
massive congestion problem in that area.
Um
the one of the residents provided uh
insight as to installing solar panels
with the installation. That is something
I definitely endorse. I think that's a a
really good way about being cognizant of
uh the world that we're in and uh
minimizing the impact that space would
uh result in causing.
And yeah, I guess the the sort of final
question that I really have is like to
the city like what do we know about the
school that's coming along? I know that
things are moving. What are the plans
for Machosen Road? Like the real issue
here being brought forward by the
residents is the traffic, not not this
particular uh property. It's their this
this is this is their chance to voice
the concerns that have always been
present.
the M
chosen, excuse me, the M chosen piece um
should be addressed to some form with
regards to um timing. Um we are going
through the the TMP process,
transportation master plan process,
which is a complete public engagement
piece. We'll be reaching out to
neighborhoods. Um this is the kind of
intersection where we would anticipate
people in that area coming out and
saying, "Hey, we need that traffic light
and we need it now." Um there's
certainly u many other areas. One of the
things that council has endorsed the
last several years is a traffic model
which allows us to really
comprehensively look at the impact of uh
development and look at the impact of
changing our intersections and what they
look like with regards to lane widening
and so on. So Mosen currently is planned
as an arterial. It is an arterial road.
Um and we are discussing um various
treatments on that from three to four
lanes of traffic in there with bike
lanes with sidewalks. Um and that's what
they talk to when they refer to that 25
meter rideway. That rightway would have
uh extra lanes of traffic with bike
lanes and sidewalks all in there. So
that development hasn't got a timing on
it yet with regards to Mitchosen and
obviously Mitchosen is se several
kilometers long as is Latoria as is Souk
as is Veterans Memorial all of those
roads will be discussed with regards to
treatments and timing of those
treatments uh in the coming years. Thank
you. And you know whether or not this
development proceeds I I truly feel that
the problem's only going to get worse
due to how much we are building out
further south along the Chosen. So it's
it's it's just a whole separate
conversation that is pressing. Um the
final thing that was uh a a big point of
concern for me right now. Um and this
has been a topic previously is the
notification distance for residents on
development per uh like we had many of
the people only find out at last minute.
I know that we've talked about making
improvements there. I know that was
several months ago. I'm really
interested to understand uh how far
along the process we are to improving
those uh standards.
Thank you for the question and through
the chair. Um so yes, bylaw amendments
were passed to increase the notification
radius to 100 meters. Um in this case,
the city has not sent out notifications
yet um as we will be notifying um prior
to first reading which is on May 26. So
our notices our notices haven't gone out
yet, but yes, we we'll be within that
100 meter range with the caveat that if
there's half a culde-sac, we will add
the other half of the culdeac. So yes,
we um those amendments have been made.
We advise the applicant that um we will
be setting notes within 100 meters. So
that that's just what they chose to do.
Thank you for that.
And you know, I really appreciate
getting uh to hear what the the the
public want to say. and you know being
on this committee helps me be a voice
for the the public. So if there's a way
to get notifications out such that
they're able to provide voices at at at
this forum as well um I would certainly
appreciate that.
Thank you.
Thank you Mr. Perry. I will go to Trina.
Thank you chair. Um, I would also like
to thank all the public that came out
today and uh presented your views. I
live in that lagoon community, so I am
well aware of the congestion that
happens there. I happen to go to yoga
class at the same time that school comes
in and I try and I try and arrive at
yoga class very zen, but getting through
that intersection doesn't always achieve
that. Um, so I do know what you speak
of. Um and that's what I would like to
speak to um mostly to the staff to
really encourage um whatever can be done
to um expedite that light being put in
uh that traffic congestion being
addressed in some way. I took a deep d
knowing that this would happen. I took a
deep dive into the transportation study
and um was discouraged to see that um
counts were used from 2019 that were um
the quarter growth was from counts in
2023. I would suggest that uh new counts
need to be done, new official counts
need to be done if they if they haven't
been um so that the city has the most
up-to-date information and that our any
of our transportation consultants like
Watts have that information available to
them.
Um and then I would I would encourage at
the next phase of if we go forward with
this new development that the
transportation study
um
address the anticipation of the
difference that a light at that
intersection would make. So that would
be things that will be helpful to the
committee to uh be able to help make her
decisions in the future with regard to
this corner.
Thank you. Thank you, Trina. Um John, I
may go to you in a moment, but maybe I
just like to try to address that first.
I think the most recent traffic modeling
um isn't a static count. It's it's more
of an incorporation of um you know
what's what exists today but also what
what is on the books in terms of
development in this moment but also
moving out well into the future. I think
it was 40 years if I'm correct. So the
traffic modeling that we have gives us a
pretty good window you know going very
far out and certainly I'll be very open
um the the modeling demonstrates a lot
of things. There's different ways to
interpret it. there were different
scenarios. Certainly widening Veterans
Memorial to four lanes is is kind of
consensus that that is something that
would have to happen. Uh I personally am
a proponent of widening the chosen to a
minimum of three lanes. Um significant
cost though associated with some of
these things. I think it's beyond just
putting a traffic light in. We you know
we have to consider the the negative
ramifications of that as well. I think
what we're running up against here on
Machosen Road is something we run up
against elsewhere in Cwood and that
Cwood was developed as a sleepy
subdivision, right? A suburban
neighborhood. It wasn't designed with
arterial roads. Machosen Road is an
arterial road today. It wasn't when
Sangster Elementary was built. No one in
their right mind would put an elementary
school on an arterial road with a
parking lot of that size. It It's
ridiculous. Frankly, moving Sangster
would be the most logical thing that
anyone could do. But like us, the school
board also doesn't have a bottomless pit
of money. And uh it's not on their
radar. I can tell you that. Um we get
one new school approved provincewide
annually in the entirety of British
Columbia. That's directly from SD62. So,
you know, relocating Sangster is not uh
or or I should say one new replacement
school to replace an existing school. So
in an optimal scenario, we would remove
Sangster. It would be a different story.
But we can't do that. And then that's
not by any means an attempt to bismerch
the elementary school or the the great
teachers that work there. It's just
location. Mitchosen has developed into a
major artery and it's how a lot of
people will come and go from Cwood and
that is a reality that we have to
accept. That's that's not going to go
away. So anyway, I think in terms of
traffic modeling, there is much more
updated information there and I think it
gives us a really good picture of um of
what's going to happen if we don't do
anything and and with the various
scenarios of what we do do. So I
digress. I just wanted to answer that on
behalf of staff and then maybe I will go
to Katrina. Did you have a question?
I thought I saw a light. Okay. Thank
you. After you. Um thanks again. I
reiterate what everyone said up here
that I appreciate everyone coming out
here and the presentation today. Um,
something I'm just thinking about and
I'm a community member as well and use
Machosen Road regularly is not so much
necessarily when the units are finished
building, but as they're being built.
So, like I can't imagine that whole
corner um having a construction site
where the road's going to have to be
stopped or like what does that look like
in terms of like building like how long
is it going to take? Is it going to be
8:30 a.m. and the schools are going in
and people are going to work and we're
stopping traffic because we have an
excavator in there? Like I'm just
wondering I I'm I'm not a SME in this
area for by any means. So I'm just
curious what that looks like and that
whole corner being constructed for 6
months, 8 months, nine
months. Does anyone have
any like information on what that looks
like? I'm pretty certain the site
superintendent isn't here
tonight. Um I can tell you that they
will be constructing between school
hours for certain. Um, what they'll try
to avoid under best construction
practices is not bringing traffic in
when traffic's at its worst. It's it's,
you know, it's it's a dollar some gain
for for the developer at some point.
They're going to be construction
vehicles in, but they're not going to
schedule a concrete pour, I would guess,
if they're any kind of good site
superintendent for 8:30 in the morning
because they won't be able to get to the
site for 8:30 because there's too many
cars there. So, I think they'll do
things like an early morning pour before
school traffic starts. Get the concrete
truck on site before that happens or
just after that. There's a window there
with school from like 9:30 to 1:30 where
you've got 4 hours to bring in your
concrete course. So, I'm quite certain
with this site when they start looking
at actually developing that site,
they'll keep in mind that traffic
because it's as problematic for them as
it is for the people that are going
there. But you're also going to deal
with a lot of frustration because there
will be times when if they bring a truck
in or a truck shows up from somewhere up
island that you know got late and shows
up at 1:30 or 2:00, they're going to be
in it and if they've got to unload or
something like that, even if they're on
the site, they'll still if it's a
swinging crane or something, they'll
have to stop traffic while the crane
swings out and comes back in. So there
will be issues for sure, but to speak to
them specifically, it's very difficult
to do at this time. Mhm. And does the
city have any ability to say like oh you
cannot do like you're saying I think and
I and I assume and if they're a good
superintendent then they were not going
to do those things but that doesn't mean
they're not going to do those things
because I feel like I go places all the
time and it's like rush hour traffic and
I blows my mind that it's like really
they're doing that right now. So that's
the kind of thing like just as a
concerned citizen as well that they're
going to be like can the city impose
rules like that where you currently
staff cannot council could through a
bylaw if they want to change it. So we
have working hour bylaws we have um
noise bylaws certain hours and so on but
at this current time we have
right-of-way permits with regards to
what you can put on the right of way. Um
so for instance parking a truck on the
right of way those are the kinds of
things they can't do. Um, but as far as
telling them when they can deliver
trucks to the site and when they can't
and those types of things, we currently
don't have tools at our disposal to do
that. Okay. Thank you. And what is from
like the builders owners perspective,
what is the time frame like that you
guys have to have this built?
building of this scale um can be
constructed between 18 and 20 months
um relative to relative to the um uh
sorry can I I just asked for quiet in
the gallery I mean I I don't want to
tamp down hushed conversation but we we
do have to allow him a chance to answer
the question please
uh because of the concern over school
one of the things that that that the
owners can do is separate the
construction of the building with hard
panel boarding from the sidewalks so
that when the building is constructed,
it is independent of when those road
changes are done. Is there a way ofuling
the changes to the lane and the
sidewalks so that that is done at a time
when the school is least occupied? When
when is the building shut down? when is
the building in uh uh Sangster being
used more uh during the summer with a
less student body population than at
other times so that we're not having the
construction of the lanes um at a time
when the school is in is in session. And
hard boarding to separate the existing
sidewalk and those existing conditions
from the construction of a building
means that there should be minimal or no
impact other than it's those delivery
vehicles coming and going. But we can
certainly make it uh quite safe during
regular items. And as was said and any
any good construction manager should be
aware that they won't be able to plan
something if they're having materials
delivered during the very busy times
that we know as parents. That's when
schools have the biggest exchange of
cars and people and students and
parents. Um
thank
you. I think that's all my questions.
Thanks. Great. Thank you. Are there any
other questions from
committee Kathleen? This is not a
question but just a paid political
announcement on my own behalf. I wanted
to pair it what James Mr. Perry has said
in terms of the solar panels. I'm not
sure what the incremental cost is for
you, but I would encourage you as a
developer to put it there. I don't know
anybody who wouldn't want that
initially. um your STRA council is going
to be very happy not to have to pay for
converting um and to me it's a it's a
huge bonus um I hope I that I stand for
other people in terms of of that
viewpoint but I think it's a very very
um important thing that just be done at
the outset if if the increment
incremental cost isn't prohibitive so
encourage you to do so thank you
great thank Thank
you, Mr. Perry.
Yeah, I realized with all my uh general
sentiments and and questions, I I failed
to ensure I got a qu answer to the
question about uh the school in Ro Bay.
My understanding is next to the new
community park, there will be a
elementary school. What do we know about
that lot? Where are we in that process?
The best way to increase safety is
getting people out of that area. And and
that elementary school, I would presume,
would have a similar catchment basin for
children as the Sangster school has
today.
My understanding of the um elementary
school site, it was initially um
bookmarked as
um elementary school site, but it is now
considered for overflow for uh the
secondary school. It is it is being
considered as a site for overflow of
Royal Bay Secondary School. there it is
not formally
um lots of conversation and review
assessing the needs of the community. I
think there's a lot of work from the
school district 62 to understand what is
the most pressing need in the Royal Bay
community.
Um, I can speak for the school district,
but there's
um I would say not an imminent
development of an elementary school that
I'm aware of.
Thank you. When um forgetting like
traffic congestion safety, is Sangster
servicing its basin
for elementary school children? Is it
bursting at the seams in terms of maybe
if I can populations address that? Yeah,
we we council has met with SD62 a number
of times and certainly Sangster is is a
like all schools in the district is
above its uh percentage of population.
That's why you see retasking of uh band
rooms and other things to classrooms.
But it's not any different than I would
say Dunmir or any of the other schools,
Royal Bay Secondary, even newest
schools. um all schools in SD62 are
operating above 100% capacity at this
point. Um but I I I just wanted to step
in because again that Royal Bay um land
is way too far off to consider as any
kind of release valve if you will in
terms of pressure from Sangster. Um you
know could be 40 years. You know, it is
really seen at this point as overflow
potentially for Royal Bay Secondary, but
again, nothing that has been confirmed
by SD62 at this point, but there is no
immediate uh pressure relief in sight
there. Okay. Thank you for the new
information. I appreciate that.
Thank you. Any other questions at
all? I don't see any. Um I think
um I I just wanted to kind of observe
that two things can be true at once. You
know we have a situation here uh where
you know the applicants have put forward
um what is and I used this term before
an isolation a solid proposal. It is a a
attractive uh building that is OCP
compliant welldesigned um meets the
criteria that that we would seek on
paper for for this location. Um,
alternatively, it's also fair to say
that there are perception issues. It
creates a sense of crowding um, in a in
a fairly low density area. Um, it
becomes a bit of a lightning rod for
density concerns. We know that density
in Cwood has been um, contentious, we'll
say, with with density increases in
Royal Bay and other areas. Um, there are
perceived traffic issues. I think it's
fair to to say that um our staff advice
was accurate that the actual impact
would probably be nominal barely
perceptible but I understand the
perception as well when you add density
the belief is we are going to see
additional issues and what it does is
exacerbate the already stressful issue
and creates a lightning rod for that to
to kind of focus on. Um and then the
construction concerns I understand that
I live next door to a construction site.
I live across the street from a
construction site. Construction is 24/7
and uh it's not ideal. I knew that when
I was going to get into it, though, so I
accept that. I think in an established
neighborhood or a legacy neighborhood,
having new construction is is a little
more traumatic. It it has a real impact
on people for a set period of time. And
I don't think we want to be dismissive
of that.
Um the way I view this and and I stand
to be correctly by anyone is that these
two things are true at once. We we have
a public perception and and a public
valid public concern challenge before us
and we have a a reasonably strong
presentation for a development before
us. And so the decision making um
becomes a little less black and white
and a little more gray. If there were
compliancy issues with the project, we
would easily push it back to the
applicant to work with staff to correct
those. Um you know, and and it becomes a
very cut and dry thing. This isn't that
case. So I'm open to any motion coming
forward from the committee. Um but I'm
just going to suggest that barring a
different one, my motion would be to
advance the proposal to the regular
council without recommendation but
strictly to um task regular council to
review for consideration of readings or
any other decision. So essentially
elevate it to council who are elected to
to take into account the public's view
and to look at a project whether or not
it's OCP compliant and all of those
other things and and make the call. Um
based on that um again that's the motion
I I will put forward in a moment barring
any other motion or any discussion. I'm
open to to someone else if they want to
make a recommendation or
not. Seeing none. Okay. So I will make
that motion. I'll repeat it for you.
Just to advance the proposal to regular
council without recommendation for
review of consideration for readings or
other decision.
And so to explain to the folks in the
audience just to lay person's terms what
I'm trying to do here um is that this is
going to go to council anyways. That's
where the final decision rests. This
group here this evening we were not
going to make that final decision. We're
looking at the the technical side of it
and things to say okay is there
something here that really stands out
that needs to be sent back to the
drawing board. Um I'm hesitant to do
that because developers are also part of
our community and and there's costs
associated with time delays with you
know redoing the work and bringing in
architects and other people. So there is
no cause really to do that at this
stage. Um and I and time is money. We
don't want to do that. So, what we will
do though is put it forward to council
where again you'll have that opportunity
to to come forward with lots more time
to prepare um well aware of how the
microphone button works and and able to
speak to the full council including the
mayor who's been observing tonight
um and and share your views and I think
you know also gives the applicant a fair
amount of time to take to heart your
concerns and and I fully encourage them
to consider that and see you know
knowing full well what what the
community thinks how you might mitigate
that. So, it it will give everyone an
opportunity to kind of go away, take a
deep breath, and and regroup uh at a
time in the future when an actual
decision can be made. So, what one thing
I learned in this job, it's it's never a
win-win. It's kind of somewhere just
below that. So, we'll we'll buy
everybody some time and and move on with
a little more information, provided that
this um this recommendation moves
forward. Mr. Perry, I see you have a a
glowing light. Please go ahead. Uh the
one thing that I wanted to uh see if we
wanted to consider uh was if a uh
planted boulevard was considered more
valuable to the city than perhaps like a
clamshell bay parking along that
stretch. Um as mentioned it's currently
used for parking um during the drop off
pickup times. I feel like while the
boulevard is ideal from a green space,
from a safety perspective along the the
bike lane and the um uh sidewalk, I
still think that there's something worth
evaluating there. Um I don't necessarily
know what the rest of the uh table here
believes, but um hearing um a lot of the
concerns um finding ways to address and
respond to them seems valuable.
So my recommendation is to uh provide to
council the uh amended recommendation of
asking the developer or and to work with
city staff to address the viability of
additional parking along
chosen. Okay. So we have a proposed
amendment to the um the original
recommendation. So, we can
uh vote on
the amendment first, I believe. Sorry, I
have a flag raised by uh engineering.
We'll just uh allow John to provide some
input. Thank you. Thank you, chair. I
don't want to put a wet blanket on this,
but if it comes to staff, I'm going to
suggest we don't do it. It's
exacerbating the problem with regards to
interaction with bicycles, cars, and
pedestrians, especially in the school
zone. That clamshell piece would be less
than 10 meters from the intersection. So
when you're making that right turn off a
lagoon and coming on from a hill, which
means you're going to probably
accelerate coming out of lagoon onto
Mosen, which just about everybody does,
you get those sudden stops because
somebody's pulling out of that clamshell
or somebody's trying to back into that
parallel spot. So that's purposeful with
regards to Neria Road. If you think of
Souk
Road, Machosen, believe it or not, and
hard the hard thing is we've got to
think 40 years out, not four years out.
And Machosen is going to look like some
flavor of a souk road. And we're going
to try to remove every piece of parking
we can off of Machosen. And putting one
in now when we know it's ultimately not
what we desire would be against staff's
recommendation. I'm not suggesting don't
do it. I'm just suggesting if I'm part
of the conversation, I'm going to tell
council I would recommend that we don't
do it. And I'm sure traffic engineer
would do the same. Thank you, Johnny.
Yeah, and I would I would concur. I
would be voting against it if the
amendment still stands. I see um
Katrina, did you want to speak to it?
Well, I think that you already said it,
but I actually don't think that the
parking is a good idea either. I think
I'm just envisioning like safety being
number one, kids walking along there,
and I find cars coming in and out of
parking spots more treacherous, and I
think that keeping the boulevard is
would be a preferred way to go. Thank
you. Um, Mr. Perry, I believe very
well-intentioned. Um, the amendments on
the floor we can vote or you can
withdraw. Up to you. I I mean, I heard
very very good reasoning as to not do
it. I I'm more than glad to retract
that. uh suggestion. Thank you for your
consideration. Thank you. And yeah, and
appreciate you looking for some some
problem solving here. Um so that brings
us back to the um original motion. Um
any further discussion on that at this
point? Seeing none, I'll call the
question. All those
opposed. I see none. So we will move
on. That brings us to item
six. Sorry, I just have a question from
the gallery. Maybe if you want to come
up to the microphone, I'll make a
exception here. And
you get
Yes. Yes. So the question for those
listening online, the question from the
gallery was was seeking understanding on
who gets to vote and it is just the
committee members that vote um on the
the motion on the floor here. So the
committee has voted unanimously just to
send this on to regular council um
without a recommendation either for or
against. just to go to council to then
review the the
application.
Okay. I I'd rather not at this point.
I'm happy to speak to you afterwards if
you like uh more casually. Um so at this
point we'll move on to item six which is
adjournment. Can I have a mo motion to
adjurnn? I see one there. All those in
favor? I pulled a mayor's trick at the
end and switched it up. So that's
unanimous. Uh the meeting is adjourned.
Thank you everyone for your time. I
appreciate it.