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Hi there. If the person that has come in
for public participation that says iPad

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can rename themselves, I'd appreciate
that. Thank you.

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Hi there, this is Marcy Lon from
corporate services and I just wanted to

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ask the person who has come in as iPad
to rename themselves please. Thank you.

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Okay.
Well, good evening, ladies and

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gentlemen. It's great to see a nice full
house here. And uh I would like to call

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the regular council meeting for Monday,
August 24th to order. Uh before I start

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uh we would like to respectfully
acknowledge that we are gathered on the

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traditional territory of the Luangan
speaking people represented today by the

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Esquimal and Zongis nations. We're
grateful to work, live and play in this

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very special place. Item two is approval
of the agenda. And uh before I start

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here, uh I'm I'm going to I never like
start with apologies because I know a

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lot of people came out for uh 420
Tamarak. Uh but uh some information

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became available late this afternoon and
I just got a statement to read right

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now. Um before uh council proceeds with
consideration of 4 420 uh Tamarak Road

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reszoning application, I'd like to bring
um an administrative matter to council's

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attention. Uh residents within 100
meters of the radius of the property

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were were notified by postcard that the
proposed bylaw and related materials

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would be available for public inspection
between August 10th and August 24th.

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Following the planning and land use
committee meeting on May 4th, 2026,

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revisions were made to the proposed
bylaw, including changes to regulate

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building height using both maximum in
meters and stories.

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In addition, a new report entitled 420
Tamarak Road reszoning supplementary

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information
following the planning and land use

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committee review was prepared.
Staff has since determined that these

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updated materials were not included in
the P for in the public inspection

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binder. That's the virtual binder that
[snorts] was made available for review.

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As a result, members of the public may
not have had access to all the

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information intended to be available
prior to council's consideration of this

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application.
It is important that both council and

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the public have the opportunity to
review the complete record before a

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decision is made.
To ensure a fair, transparent process, I

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will be asking council this evening to
consider deferring a consideration of

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the 420 Tamarak Road reszoning
application to the next available

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committee of the whole meeting,
thereby providing additional opportunity

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for public uh review, input, and
discussion before council deliberates on

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this matter.
So this is very important to this

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council transparency
and I just want to apologize that uh not

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all this information was made available.
Um CEO do you have anything to add to

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that please?
>> No Mr. Mayor you have covered that off.

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I think with this application a number
of things changed from the time it went

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to the planning and land use committee
which uh was a result of council's

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deliberations at 3145 machosen about
story and height. So, the bylaw was

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amended to provide that clarity that
council wanted and that wasn't in that

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package as well as the staff report that
was put live uh with the agenda review

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on Wednesday of last week. So, neither
of those were added to that uh binder uh

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as an oversight and with that being the
case uh and a lot of the public comments

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that we received um it seems clear that
that information didn't transcribe into

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some of those uh letters that had come
back in. So, we bring this

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administrative matter uh to council.
Obviously, this isn't uh something that

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anybody uh likes moving forward. We're
looking at our processes to ensure that

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this doesn't happen again. Uh from the
perspective of uh council's time and the

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public's time and the developers time of
bringing this forward. Um with that,

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your worship, these are the things that
we will be looking at for service

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improvements moving forward. Um
certainly duly noted and uh apologies on

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behalf of the administration for missing
that key component. Okay. Thank you very

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much. Um I I have a proposed uh motion.
Can you can you put that onto the screen

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and I'll get a I'll look for a move in a
second here, please.

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» Sorry, Mr. Mayor. I don't have her
prepared for the screen right now, but

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it is that item 9.2 2 420 Tamrock Road
reszoning be deferred to the first

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available committee of the whole
meeting.

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» Thank you very much. Can I get a mover?
Uh, councelor Day, please.

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» Thank you. I'm happy to move that
motion, but um I was hoping to provide

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the public with information on when that
will be. I believe it our next available

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is August, not August, September 28th.
[clears throat] This is new information

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that came forward this afternoon. I
haven't looked at the agenda for there,

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but we will do our best to make sure
that it's available at the next

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committee meeting. I don't have a date
for you at this point. It's something I

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can confirm with both the developer and
obviously in the public notices as that

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go out. Uh we just need the opportunity
to look at the upcoming agendas and how

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that will fit in.
>> Thank you.

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» We can do a special also by the way.
>> Right. Okay. Can I get a second? Thank

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you, Councelor Grove. Uh discussion.
Oh, councelor Jensen and then council

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war.
>> Thank you, worship. And uh as

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disappointing as this might be,
especially for the folks who attended,

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um I think the process is there for a
reason. We do need to hold ourselves to

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account and I think it's apologies to
the people who showed up including the

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proponents for this particular uh
location. But can I get some clarity? Uh

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here it sits on an agenda for council
and now we're not moving it to another

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council agenda. We're moving to
committee the whole it might be a nuance

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but can I have an understanding of what
the thinking is there?

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» Absolutely. Uh I'll tell you what the
thinking is. Um there were a total of

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you know over 40 letters that were
submitted. I think it needs a little

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more discussion and as you know
committee as a whole allows that

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discussion to happen a lot freer than
here at council because council is very

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business-like. So I I think you know but
we can do a council meeting thereafter

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and do whatever we have to do. So
>> I think well uh and I know uh the chief

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administrator mentioned it but uh uh you
know what's on the agenda is important

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as well. So sticking this at the back of
some voluminous agenda that's already

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underway would do it a disservice. Uh so
um hopefully we can keep that in mind so

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we don't make people wait till 10:00 to
hear what they came to hear. Right.

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Thank you very much. Um
seeing no other speakers I'll I'll just

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uh call the question. All those in
favor? Any opposed?

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Uh councelor work. Okay. And uh now uh
getting through that the that that that

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that motion passes. Uh so the the next
um I'm looking for a mover and second

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that the agenda of the regular council
meeting of August 24th be adopted as

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amended. Please move and second. Thank
you. Councelor Grove and Councelor

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Troen. Okay. And uh discussion
seeing none. Any opposed? Seeing none.

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Motion carries. Okay. Hey, I'm going to
move on to item three, which is the

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mayor's message. I just have uh three
messages this evening. Uh first of all,

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I just want to welcome everyone back uh
from summer recess. I hope everyone had

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an opportunity to enjoy a little bit of
time off with family and friends. And we

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only have uh two regular council
meetings left here until the end of this

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term. And uh so uh

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yeah, I'll let I'll let people pile out
here.

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And uh my second message is uh pretty
simple. I'm going to hand my the reigns

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over to councelor Grove who just wants
to take a few minutes to update council

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on the community garden initiative.
Council Grove. [clears throat]

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Uh thank you mayor. So we have uh under
uh direction from council to pursue some

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uh uh uh community garden possibilities
down the lagoon west park that has been

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taken on by the co garden society and
working together. This is very early

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stages. I think that we have uh some
time now to do develop a public

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engagement uh aspect to this project
which will uh roll out hopefully fairly

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soon and the uh location, the style, the
type, the size, all of those things need

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to be settled and discussed. So, I'm
hoping staff can find that to fit and we

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can get to go going on that soon. Just
wanted to let people know that that

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possibility existed. Thank you. Thanks a
lot, David. It's uh it's great that you

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volunteered to take this on on top of
everything else that you do. Thanks a

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lot, Conver Grove. Uh the last thing I
just want to say is um on the evening of

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August 13th, the Wander Lawn Bowls Club
hosted its inaugural Merrill and

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Counselors Lawn Bowling Challenge. All
five Westshore municipalities uh um

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councils were participated in this
tournament. In brief, I'm happy [snorts]

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to say that and announced that the city
of Cowwood represented by councelor

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Misty Olsen, councelor Ian Ward,
councelor David Grove, councelor Dean

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Jensen, and me uh we won. We won.
And uh you know I say the terms I use is

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through sheer determination, skill and
true grit and a whole bunch of luck.

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But we get to claim the bragging rights
as the winner. And uh I have Steve from

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the Wand Fuca Ults Club here. He wants
to make a quick presentation. So Steve,

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please I'll let you I I think you want
to have a word here. So go ahead. Please

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just have to push the button on the
right on there. There you go.

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» Good evening. I'm Steve Schulhan
representing the Wand Fugal Bulls Club.

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I am excited and thrilled to be able to
uh present to the city of Cwood the

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first annual challenge cup. So
congratulations and I very much look

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forward to seeing you next year when you
return to defend your cup.

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probably

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work.

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So I'm going to move on to item four,
adoption and receipt of minutes. May

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have a mover and secondary for the
adoption and receipt of the minutes

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detailed in section 4 [clears throat]
under recommendation. Okay, thank you.

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Councelor Olsen and Councelor Jensen,
any errors or omissions?

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Seeing none, call the question. Any
opposed? Seeing none, motion carries.

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Okay, we're going to move on to item
five, which is uh public participation.

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Uh we have uh we had 26 written
submissions that were received prior to

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agenda publication and they're attached
to the agenda. We also had 22 written

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submissions that were received after
agenda publication and they will be

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appended to the agenda following
tonight's meeting. In addition, they

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will be available on the cities of
meetings website tomorrow. Just like to

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thank the public uh for their written
submissions. I I was really impressed by

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the quality. Uh I finally got through
them all. That was uh quite the quite

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the handful that we had this time. Uh
but all worthy of rating. Uh we have uh

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nine people that have registered to
speak uh at uh public participation

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tonight. nine virtually. Is it is it
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» That is virtual, but we do have uh a
number of the people that have

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registered that were specifically here
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» Um and we do have another one that's
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» Electronically.
>> Okay. So, I know that uh we we've got a

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couple controversial um items on the
agenda tonight and I I just want to just

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state something here that uh um I just
like to remind everyone participating in

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public participation that uh we really
truly welcome your comments and

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opinions. And I I just want to ask
everyone to please focus your comments

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on the issue, the proposal or the
concern and not individuals. I want to

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keep this as respectful as possible and
uh uh you know we may disagree on the

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issues but we can and should do so
respectfully and constructively.

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So at this time uh let's start with the
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Uh hi there. This is Marcy from Cydia
Calwood. Uh the first public

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participation uh participants, Marlene
and uh Peter, if you'd like to unmute

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yourself and address council. Thank you.
>> Hello. Hi. Hi. Thank you for the

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opportunity. I'm Marlene.
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» And uh we live on Triangle Mountain, 863
Kala Crescent. We've been there for 39

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years. We have probably 30 to 40 really
large mature fur and seed mostly fur and

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cedar trees. So, maple trees on the
property. We don't like cutting down

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trees. We love We really appreciate that
the city of Cwood has a tree protection

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uh policy.
We learned recently though earlier this

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month that two of our large fur trees
have a disease. There's also a cedar

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tree that we haven't applied for a tree
cutting permit on, but uh the fur trees

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we're going to we need to take them down
first. Um we've hired a really

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wellqualified arborist, actually
somebody who cuts uh does cutting for

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Calwood. And um so that bill is $2,500.
And then when we were applying for a

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tree cutting permit, which we didn't
know we needed to do, but when we

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applied, we also learned we have to pay
another $750 a tree uh to cut down the

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tree. And uh if we replant, so we're
delaying the cedar tree where if we

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replant two trees a year later, if
they're still alive, we can get the

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$1,500 back. So the thing that doesn't
work for us is um we think there should

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be a distinction. These trees are being
cut for safety, not for profit, not for

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development, not for views. But if they
aren't cut and they blow down, and they

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will blow down eventually. It won't I
don't know when, but they are going to

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blow down. Um, one of them is for sure
going to reach if it it is going to fall

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towards the street and it's going to
fall on hydro wires and probably

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actually reach the road as well. And the
other tree might fall on our house. I

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don't know which direction it would
fall. Um, so these are being cut for

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safety reasons. And we think that there
should be a distinction

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um between charging uh for tree cutting
uh if it's for profit or if it's for

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safety. It's it's a lot of money to come
up with upfront. $4,100 the tree permit

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uh 7 uh $1,500 in tree uh cutting fees
like the city of Cwood and then $2,500

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to the arborist. It's a lot of money to
come up with upfront.

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» Thank you very much. I've got to uh wrap
you up here. That that that beep beep

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was your time. So I did let you extend,
but message message received.

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» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

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Next, please.

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» Sorry, Mr. Mayor. I believe a m the
remainder of the people wanting to speak

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during public participation were
specifically for Tamarak. So, I'm not

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sure if they still want to address
council or not. Um, they might not be

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aware that it has been deferred to a
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» Yes, let's let's find out.
>> I see that we still have people online,

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so I'm going to start off with um
Shannon B. If you want to unmute

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yourself and you can go ahead and
address council. Thank you.

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» Hi there. Um, good evening. Um, as you
as you just said, my name is Shannon and

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I live on Whale Road, uh, 2721,
uh, which is just a really short walk

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from Gamble Park and I'm a mother of
three young kids. And, um, I know things

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have kind of changed track here, but I
just wanted to, um, just mention that

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I'm here in support, uh, in support of
the proposed development at Tamarack.

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Um, I want to focus on the park because
that's what matters most to my family.

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Um, Gamma Park is a lovely green open
like well-kept space. Um, um, but if

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you're a parent of young kids like I am,
there's nothing really to actually do.

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So, my kids and I just walk through it.
We don't actually stay. Um, the

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playground upgrade, however, um, which
is included in this project project

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would change that. Uh, real play
structure would turn that whole area,

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Gamble Park, into a place families in
this neighborhood would actually, I

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think, seek out and not just pass
through. and uh especially cuz this

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isn't a private perk for residents um of
the development. It's a public park

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upgrade. Um every family on Whale Road
and Beyond could benefit from it. So uh

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beyond the park, I also think that this
project is thoughtfully designed and

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fits with with what Cwood has planned
for this area. Um and I support the

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housing that helps our community grow um
for people who already live here. So I

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just want to say that and thank you guys
so much for your time.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Bye-bye.

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Next.
>> Hi there, U. Michael. Under public

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participation, if you'd like to unmute
yourself and you can go ahead and

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address council. Thank you.

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» I'm assuming you're meaning Michael
Veramp.

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» You got to bear with me because I'm just
getting a cold. Good evening, mayor and

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council. My name is Mike and my wife
Donna and I live on Sun Ridge Valley

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Drive. We've been in Cwood for over 20
years now. We raised our kids here and

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they're all adults now out in the real
world. So, I want to be clear. We're not

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speaking tonight because this affects us
directly. We're speaking because of what

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we think this project says about Cwood
as a whole.

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I think there's a pattern in how a lot
of cities do this. Apartments and condos

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get built, sure, but they get pushed to
the busy roads, the corridors, the

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places nobody really wants to live. And
the message that sends, even if nobody

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says it out loud, is that people who
live in apartments or condos, don't get

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to be part of real neighborhoods in the
same way a house on a quiet street does.

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That's not something we ever really
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420 Tamarak is different. It's not on a
busy corridor. It's on a quiet culde-sac

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next to a park in an actual
neighborhood. The same kind of setting

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Donna and I raised our own kids in. And
I think this matters more than people

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realize. It says that this building is
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any house on any street around it.
There's also a practical side to this

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that shouldn't get lost.
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new households within walking distance
of Callwood Corners means real everyday

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customers for the shops and businesses
already there. That's not a small thing

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for the people who've invested in this
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more people living close by is is how
Calwood is how sorry is how that part of

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Cowwood stays healthy long term.
>> Mike, I'm going to have to get you to

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wrap it up. Uh your time is uh expired.
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Thanks.

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» Uh hi. Under public participation, Cara
King, if you'd like to unmute yourself

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and you can go ahead and address
council. Thank you.

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Hi, good evening mayor and council. My
name is Cara King. My husband Matthew

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and I live on Leila Place and I grew up
in Cwood next to Marcy. Um, so this city

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is my home in every sense. Um, Matthew
is a dentist here and I work alongside

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him as a dental hygienist. We get to
chat with our patients quite often and

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it's remarkable how frequently the same
thing comes up. Retirees wondering where

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to downsize, young adults wondering if
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[snorts] is always, is there room for us
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homes beside a park, walkable, built to
fit in the neighborhood. Cowwood made

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room for us, so let's make room for the
next generation, too. Thank you for the

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opportunity to be heard.
>> Thank you very much, Ka. Next, please.

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» Hi there. under public participation. We
have I believe it's Andrew. Uh go ahead

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and you can unmute yourself and address
council.

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» Sorry, it's Andrea. My apologies.

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» Andrea Scott. No, I I believe that.
>> Sorry, [laughter]

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» that's not for public particip.

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» No.
>> Okay. So,

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» thank you.
>> We got everyone virtually. Then, uh

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we'll ask anyone here that's in
attendance tonight to come on up and uh

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participate.
Peace.

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» Yes.
Just so that you know the colors.

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There's a green light which means you're
being timed. Yellow is you got 30

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seconds left. And the red means you got
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» Okay. [laughter]

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» Yeah.
>> Good evening, Mayor Kobayashi and Mayor

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members of council. My name is Margaret
Hill and my husband Ryan and I are the

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registered owners of unit I won't say
the unit in the Eliza B um condo in

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Royal Bay directly across from the
proposed development at 3569 Ryder Hesto

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Way. We submitted a written objection to
DVP 0019 on June 15th and I'm here to

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tonight to speak briefly to that
[snorts] to our concerns. First, I want

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to clarify one error. In my previous
submission, I mistakenly referred to an

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increase of three six-story buildings.
What I meant was the significant

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increase in permitted height as well as
the increased overall size and massing

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associated with this variance. We've
always been aware of the four buildings

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with the social building between them
originally planned directly in front of

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Eliza and the future Bella complex. We
were comfortable with that plan. We also

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have been aware of the smaller, less
obtrusive building to be built on the

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corner and its position as shown in the
rendering. What we did not anticipate

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was this variance introducing a
substantial fifth building into our

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sight lines and eliminating the
breezeway and openness that were part of

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the original vision presented to
purchasers. The site would now contain

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six buildings, five sixstory buildings
and one-story building, which would be

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the social house.
um that is a very different

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configuration from what was originally
presented and it creates a much greater

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sense of density and enclosure along
Ryder Hudgel. The images used to market

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Royal Bay showed a much smaller building
in a different configuration

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with a breezeway and open space between
it and the four larger buildings

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directly in front of us. from our corner
unit. We believe that that breezeway

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[clears throat]
would help maintain a sense of openness

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with the proposed changes that openness
has taken away completely and

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» I don't have so can I wrap it up?
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» Okay. Um thank you. I'll talk quick. And
the development will instead create a

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much more imposing wall of buildings
directly across from our home which was

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not what we had been shown when we made
the decision. Um I'll skip a bit here.

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This isn't a vacant neighborhood waiting
to be designed. We live there now. We

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are not opposed to path developing
property. We are not opposed to growth

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in Royal Bay. We are asking council to
make sure that the growth respects the

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neighborhood that's already there. These
are the biggest buildings in Royal Bay

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and they're right in front of all the
fourtore buildings. And I'm going to

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just not say what I said, but um it's
just disappointing because it's actually

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ruining the look, the feel, and the
character of the neighborhood.

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» Thank you very much for your feedback.
>> I press that.

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» Yeah. Next, please.

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» If you can push there's a little button
there,

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right? You're
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Okay, I'm here to talk about Eliza B as
well. Um, and I just want to point out

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that um, we in Eliza B um, had these two
brochures and also the Royal the the

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Bella Park brochures which clearly
showed that the building that we were bu

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going to buy had um, basically um,
laneways and plenty of green space and

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we were quite happy about that. Um, now
we're finding that they're going to put

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wedge in a six-story building which is
going to take away laneways, going to

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take away the equivalent amount of
amount of green space and we we really

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object to that. Um uh you know um I I
feel that in in this having been to some

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council meetings over the past couple of
months um uh these new apartment

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buildings are getting a lot of families
and they have a lot of children and they

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have a lot of pets as well. All the pets
that we have in our building and they

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need green space. They need grain space
and and I think the the we should be

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encouraging familyfriendly communities
and not trying to create a a a concrete

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jungle which which I believe this
building is going to function.

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Consequently, I think it's very timely
that your council is reviewing your OCP

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and that that that in doing that OCP,
you should be looking at these family f

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friendly communities because um I think
that as um Margaret was just saying, we

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really like living in in Royal Bay and
we feel that we'd like to keep the the

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the atmosphere and the and the
friendliness that's there at the moment.

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I just want to say that you know we sent
in 75 signatures were submitted to

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council and these are all people
to wrap up. Sorry.

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» Okay. These are all people who wish to
deny this variation. Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Okay. Good.

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» Next. Next, please.

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Anyone else for public participation

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going once?
>> Oh, Marcy.

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» My apologies, Mr. Mayor. We do also have
uh Mike Riley online that wanted to

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address council.
>> Oh, that's that good looking dude there.

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» Okay, sure.
>> Mr. Riley. There we go. Thank you,

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» Mr. Riley. Go ahead, please.
>> Very funny. Uh, thank thank you, Mr.

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Mayor and Council, I was actually here
for Tamarak, but uh after the terrific

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tree uh presentation, I've been hooked
and I'm staying on.

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I'll come back.

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Okay, thank you.
Anyone else?

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Seeing none, I will close uh public
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six, which is delegations. And I
understand we have the West Shore

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Chamber of Commerce uh doing the
presentation. We have the executive

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director, Julie Lawler, and she's joined
by Kelly Darwin, the president of the

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West Chamber of Commerce. Welcome,
folks. Over to you, Julie.

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Oh, please.
>> No, no, don't worry. I can always do it

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without if needs be.

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Couple

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seconds.

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Okay,
you ready?

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All right.
Oh, I'm already on. Thank you. Uh, good

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evening, Mayor Mary and Council. Thank
you for the opportunity to come to speak

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to you at a very busy time.
I'm executive director Julie Lawler and

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as stated I'm here with our president,
Kelly Darwin. And our purpose in coming

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before you tonight is to report out on
the community service agreement we have

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with the city of Cwood as well as
respond to some points we were asked to

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address, which of course we're happy to
do. The next six slides each relate to a

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component of our community service
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So business support to start as
indicated in the slide the Westshore

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Chamber provides general query response
and referral and our e-news social media

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community calendar and website resources
are open to all. We like to say that if

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we don't have the answer, we can find
somebody who does. website resources

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include a page new for 2026 on business
benefits and grants as well as our

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already standing resources for small
business and information on working with

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rural roads university students. If
you're a member of the Westshore

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Chamber, you can also submit content for
our e-news as Westshore Parks and Wreck

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have done for their 60th anniversary
celebrations or have your news shared

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through our social media. As this is
more generalized support, we don't track

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the callwood business impacts in every
case. But if council is interested, I

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can certainly provide more data on
callwood business news shared out

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through our e-news.
The West Chamber's a clearing house of

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and a trusted source of information.
Right now, we're getting ready to act as

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a conduit of information about support
for businesses impacted by the most

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recent wave of US tariffs. Our
membership with the Canadian Chamber of

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Commerce means we can effectively share
this information out as quickly as

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possible. The Westshore Chamber
convenes, facilitates, collaborates or

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supports in a whole range of areas that
directly or indirectly support business.

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For example, we've recently re reached
out to the business community, both

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members and non for their input on a
potential grant application that would

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provide skills training in areas that
businesses identify as a priority.

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business promotion.
I chose this slide as it shows our

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director Beum Earlas of Oasis Landscape
Design of Cowwood business speaking to

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two other members at a networking event
we had at Acera Insurance in Royal Bay.

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Over the last year, eight out of 30
chamber events have been held at Calwood

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organizations with this year's AGM and
Mixer planned at the Children's Health

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Foundation. While our networking events
are for our members, we always create

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spaces for people interested in finding
out more and offer a non-member option

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for all of our ticketed events. This has
included a futurep proofing your

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business lunch and learn offered by
Ingred Vaughn of My Smart HR at the John

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Han campus in March and our 70th
anniversary quiz night and dance party

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which is happening at the Langford
Legion in September.

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This slide is from the promotion for
last year's joint event in November

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2025. Since 2022, we've partnered with
the city of Cwood on one or two

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prosperity roundt lunches per year,
building on the online roundts

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introduced by Cwood during the pandemic.
These have varied from generalized

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check-in conversations to more focused
discussion on Callwood's value

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proposition and retail strategy. from
our quarterly meetings with our liaison

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councelor Misty Olsen and CEO Jason
Johnson. We appreciate that this year's

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event will be deferred into early 2027.

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So it turns out that I don't have a
photo of the four of us meeting for

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00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:57,520
quarterly leaison meetings. So I've
included this photo of Mayor Kobayashi

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00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:02,319
presenting at our coffee with the mayor
event which took place earlier this

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year. Consistent quarterly meetings have
really helped us work more closely

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00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:11,359
together from events like this to
discussing issues impacting Cwood

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00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:15,119
businesses. As the current four-year
term draws to a close, I'd like to take

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this opportunity to thank councelor
Misty Olsen for her active leazison work

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00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:21,559
with the West Chamber.

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00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:29,440
We share City of Cowwood information
through our enews and social media as a

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00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:36,559
preferred partner. Over the last year,
we had over 40,000 emails open with a 5%

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00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:42,000
click rate. Our open rate is 49% and we
have a subscriber list of around 930. If

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00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:47,200
council would like more details on what
city of Cwood News has been shared, I

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00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:52,800
can certainly provide more data. We can
also send direct email to Cwoodbased

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00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:58,960
businesses on our database on business
related issues. This currently stands at

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00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:04,599
361 which we understand is about half of
business licenses. So there is still a

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00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,599
gap there.

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00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:11,680
Best of the west shore. This slide shows
two Colwood based businesses who are

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00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:15,760
winners in 2025 with Island Junk
Solutions on the right for best home or

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00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,480
trade services and Trillium Westshore
Village on the left for best senior

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00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:24,720
services. Overall, 25 Collwood
businesses were winners or finalists.

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00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:29,440
And this matters because it is promotion
for and attention to these businesses.

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00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:35,040
This contest is open to all businesses
and nonprofits who have a location in

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00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:40,160
the West Shore. Callwood Parks were also
winners in three out of four community

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categories.
Now that I've touched on the points of

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00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:49,599
the community service agreement, I'd
like to touch on some facts and figures.

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As you can see, our operating budget for
the calendar year is just over $353,000.

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00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:02,319
The majority of that is still based on
memberships at 42%.

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00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:07,680
If you compare that with 2024, you can
see that our operating budget has gone

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00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:12,720
up by 8% over two years and that is
reflected largely of the increase in

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00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:17,920
almost all costs. The comparison between
the year the two years is like for like

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00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:22,480
for budget areas with one exception. We
have been unable to rent out areas of

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00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:26,800
our building in 2026 as we have in prior
years and have been fortunate in 2025 to

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00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:31,839
bring in a wage subsidy through the
Canada Summer Jobs Program. I've been

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:38,000
asked to report on membership growth and
retention statistics. Membership was at

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00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:42,400
its lowest in 2021 when we hit 333
members. Since then, we've been

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00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:46,319
gradually increasing overall membership
year-on-year, and as of today, we're at

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,200
425.
However, this has been largely driven by

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00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:56,640
new membership as our drop rate started
to go up in autumn of 2024 and is a

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00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:01,599
continuing trend. Reasons range from
retirement to value to member capacity,

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00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:05,920
and we will continue to refine what we
do based on feedback. But make no

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,440
mistake, things are challenging for
business right now.

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I'm now going to hand over to our
president, Kelly Darwin, to take you

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00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,119
through the last couple of slides.
Kelly.

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Hello, Mary Council.
As the city of Calwood considers its

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planning and budgeting for 2027, we
wanted to recommend that one tool that

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:37,440
could be of use is the implementation of
business walks. Many chambers carry out

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:43,200
these in partnership with municipalities
for the benefit of both and we'd be

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00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,319
happy to discuss that in more detail.
You'll also be aware that Langford

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00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,160
recently launched its economic
development strategy and business walks

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00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:56,240
is one of the initiatives we are
discussing with them.

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This segus into a request for an update
on the potential move to a new facility.

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00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:05,520
Langford's economic development strategy
specifies that the city of Langford's

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00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,440
intention to relocate the chamber
offices

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,839
to a more accessible and visible
location in downtown Langford to also

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00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:19,359
allow for the full expansion of the
Veterans Memorial Park and an important

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00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:23,920
community asset. Negotiations continue
and I expect we will have a more we'll

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00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,839
be able to provide a more detailed
update out to the community very soon.

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00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:38,000
The West Shore Chamber started life as
the Cwood and District Chamber in 1956.

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And as we look back over the and
celebrate our 70 years of service to our

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community this year, I'd like to express
our thanks to the city of Cwood. That's

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my official thanks. I also want to throw
in a personal one. Um, as I hit my final

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00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:57,599
10 years of being in the West Shore
Chamber of Commerce or being on the

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00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:02,000
board of the West Shore, I've been
looking back at what my achievements

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00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:05,760
have been.
And over the past three years as I've

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00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:11,280
been president, I think my biggest
achievement has been enforcing the

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00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:14,880
relationships or or strengthening the
relationships that we've had with uh our

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00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:20,160
municipalities.
And uh I think if we look back 3 years

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:25,760
ago, we had a relationship with Gwood.
And if you look back 10 years ago, maybe

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:30,640
not quite as strong as it is today. So I
would like to thank Mayor Kobayashi,

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00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:34,960
Councelor Olsen, and CIO Jason Johnson
for their devotion and their hard work

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:38,799
in coming to the table, working with the
chamber, and create creating a

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00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:45,319
relationship that I hope will will last
uh my term as the president of the

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00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,319
chamber. Thank you very much.

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00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,240
finished to take it the end. Okay. Uh
I'll I'll open it up for questions from

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00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:03,280
council. Any questions on the
presentation? Uh councelor Jordison,

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00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,760
please.
>> Thanks, Mayor Kobe Hashi. I just wanted

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00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:13,520
to say thank you for the presentation
and for the work you're doing with our

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:16,880
business community. Um, but I am and I
think the business walks proposal is

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,839
really interesting because I think
that's exactly the kind of direct

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00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:26,960
information council could benefit from
hearing about. But I guess um I'm just

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:32,079
trying to understand what's behind the
numbers more importantly like what co

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00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:38,200
businesses are telling the chamber that
they need from us. If you have any of

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00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,200
that information

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00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:48,400
Now the key thing there is what co
businesses are saying and I I can say

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00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:53,359
some of the things that we're hearing
but I I think that one of the the

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00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:57,599
reasons why uh I think looking at
something like business walks would be

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:03,040
extremely useful for council but also
for us as an organization in order order

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00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,319
to be able to respond is that businesses
need a lot of different things and some

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00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:10,960
of them we can uh we can address
together and some of them are are larger

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:15,119
than what we can do necessarily. Um you
know what we're hearing from businesses

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00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:20,880
generally is about how challenging uh
the cost of doing business is and that

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:26,000
comes at different levels um from local
up through to to federal. But in terms

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00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,440
of specific call with businesses, it
would probably be more along the lines

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:34,400
of sort of one thing here and one thing
here and one thing here. So I I I can

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:40,480
always go back and look at what data
that we have to provide you. But I also

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:45,440
feel like because we don't have
necessarily a direct line to callwood

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00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:50,240
businesses, uh we know about them when
we know about them, but they they don't

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00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:56,079
opt in to have their information sent
through to us, then we're missing an

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00:58:52,799 --> 00:59:00,799
opportunity in terms of that conduit.
>> Okay. Thank you, Julie.

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:05,839
» Thank you. Uh council Olsson, please.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I had a similar uh

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00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:09,680
sentiment as councelor Jordison. Um, and
thank you for the presentation and it's

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00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:15,040
been a pleasure working with you both
and Kelly. I wish you the best on your

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,880
next endeavors. It's been a delight. Um,
I think the business walks are also a

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00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,599
great opportunity for membership drive.
Um, you know, way to to get new members

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00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:28,160
on board with the chamber. So, and and
this council seems to love data. So any

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00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:32,400
kind of information that we can get even
uh with respect to um referrals that are

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00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:36,559
actually being made to the chamber
members um and getting a better

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00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:40,319
understanding of how you're um surveying
your members uh would be would be great

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00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:44,000
just to get a better understanding of
the benefits that they're getting

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00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:47,760
through the chamber. Um you know we yeah
we love data but I do appreciate the

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00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,319
presentation and I I've enjoyed working
with you both. So thank you very much.

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00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,599
» Thank you.
>> I just will wrap it up here then. Uh

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00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:02,240
again, um really appreciate you coming
out, uh this evening, uh you and Kelly.

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,839
That that's phenomenal. And you know,
being a past president, of course, of

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01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:10,559
the Chamber of Commerce, I I understand
the frustrations that you go through.

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,000
It's even tougher now than Well, I
wouldn't say that was tougher. I think

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:18,880
we had different challenges when I was
the president. Um but, uh want to thank

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,680
you for everything that you do for the
community, for the business community.

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Uh, one of the questions I do have is,
um, [clears throat] as we're trying to

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01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,640
align our own economic development
strategy. It won't be in this term. You

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:38,000
know, the the new council will have that
challenge. Uh, that's for sure. How they

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01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:42,559
want to do business here. So, you know,
I'd like to you you're going to play an

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01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:47,119
important role in that because I
certainly don't understand what your

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01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:51,040
strategic strategic objectives are and
we got to make sure that we're not

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,640
crossing over each others or how we can
help one another to tell you the truth.

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,359
So, I think that's really really
important. So, I mean it's not going to

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:05,119
happen uh in this term. We're almost
finished here. But uh it is uh it is a

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01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:10,160
strategic objective in our in our you
know in our strategic plan. So do you

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01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:11,440
have a strategic plan right now of some
sort?

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01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:16,799
» Yes, we do.
>> Okay. So are we going to can we maybe in

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:21,760
the early in the new term when the new
term joins can can we you know maybe get

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,839
that presentation to the the new
council?

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,599
» Absolutely.
>> Okay. Great. And and my last question I

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01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:32,720
have for you is um I don't quite
understand what's happening. You just

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,000
said you're getting kicked out of your
building now, right? From

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01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:44,720
» I did not say that. [laughter]
>> Okay. So I just you you had some

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:49,119
hesitation here. So I I picked up on
that.

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01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:53,920
I I mean I think the the point is that
it's a there's a very clear statement in

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01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:59,440
the Lanford economic development
strategy and other than to say that

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01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:02,880
there are no negotiations going on,
we're not really in a position to say

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01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,119
anything else publicly at this time.
>> I understand. Okay. Thank you very much.

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01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:10,000
I I picked up on that. Okay.
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you very much again.

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01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:14,599
» Thanks, Julie.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

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01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,599
» We appreciate it.

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01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:21,760
Okay, we'll move on to item seven, which
is the consent agenda. There's only two

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:26,160
items on the consent agenda. Any member
can make a request to move any item uh

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01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,640
for the purpose of individual debate or
discussion, and it only takes one

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01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:35,839
person, and we move it. Uh, councelor
Day, please.

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01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:40,480
» Thank you. I'd like to um discuss the
age friendly plan.

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01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:46,720
» Okay. We'll move that to 8.6 under new
business.

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01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:53,040
Okay. And okay, that's it. Uh, may I get
a motion to approve the U consent

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01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:57,920
agenda, please? Council Jensen and
Council Olson.

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01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:05,200
Discussion. Seeing none any object.
Oops. Sorry. Uh, you're still hot.

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:10,240
Wait, sorry. Oops.
Any any objections? Seeing none, motion

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01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:15,839
carries. Thank you very much. We'll move
on to new business. Uh item 8.1

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:24,559
development variance permit number DVP
000019

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:26,400
3569 Ryder Hedge Way and uh Mr. CEO we
get you to introduce us please. Thank

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,200
you.
>> Thank you your worship through the mayor

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01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:34,400
and council. This is the development
variance permit number DVP000019

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:39,280
for 3569
Ryder Hedge Way. Matt Blakeley, our

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01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,720
senior planner, has an overview to
provide to council the recommended

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01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:48,079
motion for council's consideration. Is
the uh coming from the this was in came

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:52,000
from the planning and land use committee
that council refer the DBP back to staff

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,640
to work with the applicant to explore
revisions to the proposed building use

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,680
and design. Mr. Matt Bley will take
council through the application.

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,160
» Would you like full presentation?

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,520
Right.

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01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:35,200
Uh thank you mayor and council. Uh so
the purpose of tonight's presentation is

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:39,920
to provide a high level uh summary of
development variance permit application

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01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:45,440
number DVP 000019
for the property located at 3569 Ryder

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01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:50,680
Headshaw Way. Uh more detailed analysis
and supporting information are provided

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01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:50,680
in the staff report.

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:10,000
Okay. Uh so this site is approximately
3,099 square meters or 0.765 acres. It's

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:14,799
located in Ltoria South Royal Bay at the
corner of Royal Commons Road and Ryder

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:19,119
Hedge Stallway. Uh it is within area two
of the CD28 zone and the Commons

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:24,559
neighborhood as identified in the
notorious uh south sub area plan. The

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:29,680
site is bordered by Royal Commons Road
to the north, Ryder Hedgehway to the

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:34,559
west, an internal lane and a fourstory
mixeduse building to the east and the

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01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:39,039
rest of the parcel B development site
immediately to the southeast as you can

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01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:44,880
see in the top right corner of uh the
screen there. Uh on July 6th, 2023, the

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01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:48,480
original development permit uh for
parcel B was issued. The approved

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01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:52,000
development permit included four
six-story apartment buildings, one

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,559
four-story mixeduse building, and one
amenity building. For context, the

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:01,200
original development permit did not
include the future park at the corner of

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:06,319
Ryder Hedgehaw Way and Producer Way or
the uh property uh at the corner of

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01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,599
Royal Commons Road and Roger Hedgeall
Way, which is the property that is

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01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,400
subject to the current variance
application this evening.

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01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:25,359
Uh so the proposal envisions the
construction of a 77 unit mixeduse

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,599
development designed to offer a diverse
mix of housing options and ground

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:34,799
flooror commercial units along Royal
Collins Road. Units will include

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01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:40,000
onebedroom, onebedroom plus den, two
bedrooms and two bedrooms plus den. Uh

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:44,400
the two commercial units will contribute
to the active street frontage of Royal

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:48,880
Commons Road and align with the intent
of the Commons neighborhood uh which is

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:54,880
to be the commercial, social, and
cultural heart of the Ltoria South area.

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01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:59,760
The building is proposed to be above two
and a half levels of underground parking

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:04,480
with a total of 88 residential, 13
visitor and six commercial parking

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:08,480
stalls. The proposal fully complies with
the parking requirements set out in the

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01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:12,400
off- streetet parking regulations bylaw
as well as all requirements in the

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:15,760
Callwood land use bylaw with exception
to the maximum building height that is

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01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:19,520
the subject of the variance request
today.

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01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:23,760
In addition to the variance application,
the applicant has also applied for a

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01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:28,319
form and character uh development permit
for the proposed site. Uh due to the

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:31,920
variance requests being associated with
the overall building height, the

618
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:36,400
approval of the variance is required to
make the de uh the current development

619
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:41,960
feasible. Until that decision is made,
staff cannot move forward with

620
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:41,960
processing the development permit.

621
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:49,039
Uh in terms of the official community
plan, the property is designated Seaside

622
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Village and is located within the
Commons neighborhood as set out in the

623
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:59,039
Ltoria South sub area plan. That sub
area plan identifies this property as

624
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:04,079
part of area 2, which is a 2.7 hectare
mixeduse precinct intended to support

625
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:09,200
the adjacent residential or sorry,
support the adjacent retail core. Along

626
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:13,119
the northern edge, the plan envisions a
pedestrianoriented streetscape along

627
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,480
common roads with ground floor retail
and commercial uses and residential or

628
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:22,799
commercial uses above. The plan
anticipates building heights of up to

629
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:27,520
four stories along the northern edge and
up to six stories across the rest of the

630
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:33,199
site. It also identifies an overall
density of about 3.0 floor area ratio

631
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:37,440
with the potential for additional
density where the broader city

632
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:41,040
objectives are achieved. Overall, the
proposed development is consistent with

633
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:45,199
that policy direction. It provides a
mixeduse pedestrian oriented form along

634
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:49,679
Royal Commons Road and then steps up to
six stories toward Ryder Hedgeall Way

635
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:55,319
which reflects the height for framework
established for area 2 and CD28 zone.

636
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:03,520
Uh the proposed development has been
reviewed against the requirements of the

637
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:08,960
CD28 area 2 zone and is in full
compliance with all zoning regulations

638
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:12,560
with exception to maximum height.
One point I want to flag at this stage

639
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,319
is that the zone distinguishes between
apartment buildings which may be up to

640
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:20,640
24 meters in height and mixeduse
buildings which are limited to 15

641
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:23,759
meters. That distinction is the is
central to the variance requests and

642
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:28,839
I'll speak to that a little bit more in
the staff analysis portion of this

643
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:28,839
presentation.

644
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:40,799
Uh so as I mentioned the applicant is uh
requesting to vary section 10.33.5.2

645
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:44,080
two of college land use bylaw 1989 to
permit an increase to the maximum

646
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:50,640
building height for a mixeduse building
from 15 m to 24 meters.

647
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:56,400
Um before I move on, I'll just uh pause
here on the image. So you can see uh the

648
01:09:53,359 --> 01:10:00,880
four stories along uh Royal Commons Road
on the left side of the screen and then

649
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:06,239
it steps back approximately 11 and a
half meters before it goes up again to

650
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,400
uh the sixstory residential component of
the building.

651
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:24,000
Although the requested variance uh on
paper appears uh substantial, it's

652
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:28,560
largely due to the building's mixeduse
classification rather than the overall

653
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:33,280
form or height. The mixeduse frontage
along Royal Commons Road generally

654
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:39,280
remains within the 15 m limit except for
a small parapit reaching 15.44 m while

655
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:46,159
the residential portion is stepped back
and reaches 21.64 64 meters below the 24

656
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:51,920
meter otherwise permitted maximum for
apartment uses in the CD28 area 2 zone.

657
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:57,280
While the application technically seeks
an increase from 15 m to 24 m for a

658
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:02,159
mixeduse building, the added height is
within the residential portion and is in

659
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:07,440
the area where the greater height and
density are anticipated in both the OCP

660
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:12,239
and the zoning bylaw. The proposal
maintains a four-story scale along Royal

661
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:17,199
Commons Road and steps back before
stepping up along Ryder Hedgehaw Way,

662
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:23,679
consistent with the intent of the CD28
area 2 zoning. The upper stories are are

663
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:29,600
set back well beyond the 1.5 meter
minimum as I mentioned approximately 11

664
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:33,600
and a half meters which is intended to
reduce the perceived height from Royal

665
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:38,000
Commons Road aligning with the
neighboring fourstory mixeduse building

666
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:41,679
and supporting the OCP direction for
pedestrian scale and appropriate height

667
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:46,880
transitions.
facade articulation, a varied roof line

668
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:52,400
and in individual unit articulation
further reduces the massing and adds

669
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:56,400
visual interest. Overall um staff
consider the the variance technical in

670
01:11:54,560 --> 01:12:03,440
nature and have worked with the
applicant through this application uh to

671
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:09,040
design mitigating height or sorry to uh
reduce the impacts of the height uh and

672
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:14,640
think that the design mitigates the
height impacts while advancing the

673
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:19,679
objectives of the CD 20 28 area 2 zone
the OCP and the south ltoria sub area

674
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:28,719
In terms of public notification, a
development notice sign has been posted

675
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:32,880
on the subject property in accordance
with council policy. The local

676
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:36,640
government act requires written notice
to be provided to all property owners

677
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:41,120
and occupants who may be affected by the
proposed variance in advance of the

678
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:45,600
council meeting where decision on the
development variance permit will be

679
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:52,040
considered. Um, so these were sent out
and uh prior to this council meeting,

680
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:52,040
roughly two weeks.

681
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:59,360
Uh, so there's a few uh suggested
options for council to consider. Um,

682
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:04,400
I'll leave the uh staff recommendation
up on the screen um for a few moments

683
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,760
for your consideration. Um, I'd also
just like to note that um, Matthew

684
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:13,440
Davis, uh, VP of development with past
developments, also has a presentation

685
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:20,000
prepared for council should they wish
to, uh, see it. Um, I'm available now

686
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:26,040
or, uh, following Matt's presentation
uh, for any questions if you have them.

687
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,040
» Thank you. Thank you.

688
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:31,920
» Go ahead. Jeez. Council may wish to
invite public participation. Uh, we

689
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:37,760
missed that component at the start of
this. Yeah, sure. The people that

690
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:41,320
haven't spoken yet, does anyone want to
speak to this item?

691
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:51,040
» Seeing none, thank you. Um before I move
on to um to the developer, uh I was

692
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:56,800
wondering if I can get a perspective
from the the chair of the planning and

693
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:01,080
land use committee.
Don't want to put you on the spot.

694
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,080
Councelor,

695
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:09,040
councelor Ward, go ahead. Oops.
Councelor Ward follow.

696
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, planning and
land use committee did see the same

697
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:18,000
presentation uh that's been presented by
staff here. Um, and I think um there

698
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:25,520
would be value in in hearing from the
applicant as well. Um, they have their

699
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:32,159
perspective. I think um the
the the general sentiment at the time um

700
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:36,159
was that
the the the project you know the project

701
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:40,560
itself is is it's always been known that
there will be uh buildings of density on

702
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,719
that location. Uh the question just
became uh whether or not the addition of

703
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:50,960
uh the additional building um you know
represented some kind of

704
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:55,840
misrepresentation. I think and the
commentary varied. Certainly my

705
01:14:53,120 --> 01:15:00,159
perspective was that
you you have to also be careful what you

706
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:03,120
wish for um in that you know the
applicants can perhaps do a better job

707
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:08,320
of explaining this but there was within
their right to to build a six-story

708
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:14,080
building up to that sort of corner lot
where where you see four stories. So

709
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:17,760
part of this proposal um with this
setback building allows for a public

710
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:24,080
plaza area on the corner and some other
amenities that fit with the community.

711
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:28,800
Um whereas if they were put into a
position to to not, you know, to be

712
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:35,040
unable to build this conceivably you
would then be left with that corner lot

713
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:39,360
um vacant. And and I guess my comments
to the committee were that, you know, um

714
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:43,199
you could go from the frying pan into
the fire, so to speak, in that if I'm

715
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,520
the developer, it may not be feasible
for me to build on that corner lot. I

716
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:52,159
may then look to sell it. Um and I use
the example of what's now 3554 Ryder

717
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:57,679
Hedge Doll as an example where it was
zoned for a specific thing. It was

718
01:15:54,080 --> 01:16:01,040
formerly known as 360 Ltoria. um sold to
a different developer who then used that

719
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:07,280
zoning to build something that that the
community certainly saw as less valuable

720
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:10,000
and less um appropriate a fit. So there
was that piece and I think the other

721
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:13,520
piece that was an unknown at the
committee time that I think there's

722
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:18,159
additional light been shed on was the
notion that um

723
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:22,480
that there was misrepresentation that
people bought this and were told okay

724
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:25,280
you'd have ocean views and things and I
can only speak for myself but going away

725
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,840
from that you know I have lived
experience in that area I I am the one

726
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:34,880
counselor here that lives in Royal Bay I
purchased a three-story town home on

727
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:40,239
Ltoria fronting Latoria road and when I
moved And um there was nothing in Ltoria

728
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:44,000
South. So I had an unencumbered view of
of the ocean. It was beautiful. And I

729
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:48,400
had real estate agents telling me, "Yes,
ocean view town home." Um and I

730
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:51,040
corrected one who went on the third
floor, looked out the bedroom window,

731
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,679
and said, you know, "Look at this. You
got this great ocean view." And I said,

732
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:57,520
"Well, it won't last." And she said,
"Oh, well, no, there's a chance it

733
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,480
could." There's a slim chance it it can,
you know, if there's a gap between some

734
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:05,280
buildings. But I said, "I've read the
agreement. they're they're going to

735
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:09,840
build things across the road here and
the height variance in in these zonings

736
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:14,560
is is sufficient that something will be
blocked. So, ironically, my view was

737
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:18,640
spoiled by the Eliza buildings. They
came along at four stories um and

738
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:23,600
blocked that ocean view for me and then
that was further sealed when Beachlands

739
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:27,199
put up uh buildings along uh along the
chosen road. So since the planning and

740
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:31,360
land use committee meeting that that
gave me pause for thought and I thought

741
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:36,960
well I did my homework and and you know
I looked again at my sales agreement and

742
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:42,080
I had acknowledged um when I signed off
on buying a property from what was then

743
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:46,880
Gablecraft which is now PATH um the
document specifically stated to the

744
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:50,719
effect that that these views were
subject to change and so I knew that my

745
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:53,520
my neighbor didn't my neighbor was angry
and said you know these these Eliza

746
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:57,199
buildings are going to block our view
this is outrageous just my real estate

747
01:17:55,199 --> 01:18:02,239
agent told me I'd have an ocean view and
I pointed out that document that he had

748
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:06,800
also signed that said that this wouldn't
happen and so I reached out to the as

749
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:13,040
part of my role as chair I reached out
to um to path and said look can you

750
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:16,800
provide me with with the documentation
that would have been granted to these

751
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:20,400
sellers because one of the concerns of
the planning and land use committee was

752
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:24,080
that there was misrepresentation here
potentially that they were committed to

753
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:29,120
ocean views and in reading through the
document pretty lengthy but on page 42

754
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:33,280
section G there's a a paragraph called
views light and privacy and then bear

755
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:37,520
with me I'm just going to read it to you
it says prospective purchasers should be

756
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,280
aware that views from the strata lots
light exposure of the stratal lots and

757
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:45,920
privacy with respect to the stratal lots
may be subject to change there are no

758
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:50,159
protected views within the development
and the existence or unobstructed

759
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:55,440
continuation of any particular view from
light exposure of or privacy with

760
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:59,360
respect to any Strata law is not assured
given the ongoing development of Royal

761
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:04,080
Bay. And I have it here and I'm willing
to share it. It continues on for for a

762
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:08,880
number of of more sentences, but it
explicitly states that views are not

763
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:13,840
guaranteed that that you do not have an
ocean view. Um, you very may well look

764
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:17,600
into another building much like I do
today. So,

765
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:21,840
this isn't just this isn't a moment
where I say, "Okay, I'm I'm particularly

766
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:26,800
proud of of saying, well, look, we found
this." But I think it does identify to

767
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:29,280
me that if there is any,
you know, as the the planning and land

768
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:33,760
use committee talked about, if there's
any misrepresentation or anything, I

769
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:37,679
think, you know, I don't want to point
the finger at the real estate industry,

770
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:40,640
but people promising ocean views were uh
were maybe a little misleading. And at

771
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:46,320
the end of the day, we have a personal
responsibility to to be aware of of what

772
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:49,760
we're getting ourselves into. Um, you
know, I I work in the mergers and

773
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:54,400
acquisitions business, so I read through
legal documents every day and and a

774
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:58,640
single sentence can fundamentally change
the ROI or value on a deal. And, you

775
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:03,120
know, and that's the case here. I think
the the developers have made it clear

776
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:07,360
that this can happen. Um, so I I wanted
to bring that forward because I think it

777
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,960
clears up a misconception that we had
that perhaps um, you know, false

778
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:15,760
promises were made or anything like
that. It's it's in the document. um

779
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,960
every purchaser would have signed it. Um
you know, and that that gives me pause

780
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:22,800
for thought on the recommendation that
came forward from the committee. Uh that

781
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:25,840
doesn't mean I don't have sympathy.
Believe me, every time I look out my

782
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:31,199
window and I see town homes and I see
the back of Eliza, I I kind of long for

783
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:35,840
the ocean view I once had, but as I say,
I know that um that it wasn't guaranteed

784
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,360
and I acknowledge that in writing. So,
I'll just leave you with that. Thank

785
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,880
you.
>> Thank you very much, Councelor Day. On

786
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:45,840
the questions on the presentation,
please. Yeah, just wanted to um

787
01:20:44,435 --> 01:20:52,159
[clears throat]
uh check in with regards to the

788
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:59,760
percentage that would be dedicated to
any commercial uh on the first floor

789
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:06,480
because the commons uh in the master
development agreement was to provide

790
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:14,320
more pedestrianoriented
business shops

791
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:20,719
um a more active street front and uh it
it has been disappointing to see the

792
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:26,320
existing businesses that have come in. I
know it's a difficult proposition. Uh

793
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:34,480
the world seems organized against us who
wanted to create um uh a town setting

794
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:41,920
where you know there would be shops that
people would enjoy strolling by. uh but

795
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:48,320
that is what we were trying to uh
achieve through the the master

796
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:54,159
development agreement since 1999
uh in Rock Bay and it's been refined and

797
01:21:51,440 --> 01:22:00,159
changed and refined and and I understand
we're responding to a different market

798
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:07,440
um in many ways uh bricks and mortar are
being replaced by online shopping and

799
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:12,800
that's a reality but I'd like to try to
adhere to the fact that experiences are

800
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:20,080
still really important and there still
are businesses who rely on real live

801
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:25,120
clients attending their facilities and
I'm hoping that we're at least still

802
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:31,040
trying to achieve that. So, I'd like to
know what percentage

803
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:37,840
um are actually commercial entities here
and what percentage are residential and

804
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:41,719
refine our plan based on what the vision
for this area was.

805
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:50,560
» Thank you through the mayor. Um, I'm
doing my best to look up the square

806
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:55,120
footage, but along the Royal Commons
Road, the entire frontage on the ground

807
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:59,040
floor is commercial units. I don't know
the exact square footage. I'm trying to

808
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:03,679
look it up, but that whole frontage is
required in the zoning bylaw to be

809
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:08,639
commercial units. Um, I just quickly
looked up, we do have a clause in area

810
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:14,480
2. Um, bear with me, I'm going to read
this. is a little lengthy, but um within

811
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:18,320
area 2, assembly and entertainment uses,
bakery, eating and drinking

812
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:22,719
establishments, personal services, pet
daycarees, and retail stores are the

813
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:27,280
only permitted uses on the first floor
of any building fronting the north

814
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:32,400
parcel line in area 2, except that
offices may be permitted on the first

815
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:37,760
story of a mixeduse building fronting
the northern parcel line in area 2 in

816
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:42,639
accordance with a section below that,
which basically speaks to professional

817
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:47,120
office and medical uses provided they do
not take up more than 50% of the total

818
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:53,600
ground floor. Um so what that is
intending to do is to activate the

819
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:58,560
street and have specific uses permitted
in that building that create that active

820
01:23:56,239 --> 01:24:02,800
street frontage and not necessarily
businesses that close at 4:00 in the

821
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:07,840
afternoon and things like that. So it is
written into the zone. So when those are

822
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:12,159
built and it becomes time for business
licenses to be issued, um the planning

823
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:16,639
team would be reviewing those
applications against this bylaw to

824
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:21,600
ensure that they are active um
businesses on that street.

825
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:26,719
» So I guess it would be fairly fair to
say that if it's a six-story building

826
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:31,199
and the first floor is commercial, it's
20%.

827
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:37,280
Um, in this case I would say it's less
than 20% because it's just on that

828
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:42,719
frontage on Royal Commons Road where the
first floor along Ryder would be all

829
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:47,520
residential units. So it'd be
probably of the total area maybe 5%

830
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,360
perhaps the applicant would have numbers
that could speak to that but it would be

831
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:54,960
less than 20% because it is just
required along the Royal Commons

832
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:58,800
frontage um where the rest would be
residential.

833
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:05,120
» Okay. So, I guess the the point I'm
making is that um

834
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:13,760
uh an area that was originally designed
to be our major commercial center is has

835
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:22,320
already been downgraded significantly.
And so it it is my hope that where uh

836
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:30,480
real feedback is coming from the
community saying um this isn't uh what

837
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:36,320
we had envisioned based on the pictures
the plans despite the the details that I

838
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:42,560
know they put in there and that everyone
has to sign off on. Uh, I think from a

839
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:49,120
planning perspective, what the city of
Cowwood promised to provide to our

840
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:56,080
community was different than what we're
seeing because that looks like a big box

841
01:25:53,440 --> 01:26:02,639
from the architectural drawing. and it
isn't particularly articulated or

842
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:10,159
improved upon or there doesn't seem to
be a great deal being given back to the

843
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:17,280
as at least an homage to the plan that
that brought this forward. So, I'm I'm

844
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:22,400
hopeful uh I was hopeful that the
recommendation from the planning and

845
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:27,679
land use committee to try to improve
this and I recognize that there is

846
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:38,400
fourtory element with a bit of a setback
for this sixtory behind that. Uh but uh

847
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:45,679
I I feel that I I would like to uh to be
able to stand uh in front of a building

848
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:52,560
that's been built after 25 years of
active planning and effort to build a

849
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:58,080
new and vibrant community in Cwood and
say that I'm proud and the developer is

850
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:04,400
proud of of what has been built there
today 25 years later. Thanks.

851
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:08,000
» Thank you very much. Uh, councelor
Jordison.

852
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:14,159
» Thank you, mayor. Um, I had a couple
questions. I to staff, I guess. I just

853
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:18,800
wanted to ask I'm just really curious.
Why can you only have a fourstory

854
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:21,800
building when there's commercial on the
bottom

855
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,560
in this case?

856
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:35,280
» Through the mayor. Um,
that is a a great question. Um, that is

857
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:39,360
um I mean the bylaw was written before
I'm here, so I before I was part of the

858
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:46,719
city, so I'm not 100% the rationale
behind that. Um, but it was written that

859
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:54,000
way um at the time likely to uh
encourage a mix of building types would

860
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:57,600
be my my guess. Um,
>> yeah. Sorry, I I unfortunately don't

861
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,480
have a better answer. Sorry, you might
be able to speak to that.

862
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:05,920
» All right, please.
>> Yeah, thank you. So, the CD28 zone has a

863
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:11,600
maximum building height for mixeduse
buildings of 15 meters. So, a mixeduse

864
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:16,000
building is one that would have
residential and commercial. So, that's

865
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:22,400
limited to four stories. And then
apartments um has a maximum building

866
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:28,480
height of 24 m. So, up to six stories.
um that is more in line with the the sub

867
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:36,239
area plan within the OCP that speaks to
having um shorter heights along Royal

868
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:42,400
Commons and mixeduse buildings there.
So um subsequent to that the building I

869
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:48,800
guess everybody is suggesting the
building fronts onto Royal Commons but

870
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:53,199
it technically really doesn't like I
mean it does but the frontage of that

871
01:28:50,880 --> 01:29:00,159
building isn't on Royal Commons. So, I
just think that this is a real um not

872
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:05,679
very neat one and that like I guess I'm
just wondering is is it better maybe to

873
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:10,560
have park amenity space on the outer
edge and move the building over and do

874
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:14,920
the six stories would that limit would
that help with a view point?

875
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:22,480
» Yeah, thank you. So, um, in terms of
your comment related to the front lot

876
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:29,040
line that the building doesn't
technically front onto Royal Commons,

877
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:34,880
our land use bylaw defines corner lots.
Um, we identify the front lot line as

878
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:40,159
the shorter of the two. And so that is
why we consider this building fronting

879
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:45,280
onto Royal Commons, which is why it is
required to provide commercial on the

880
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:50,639
ground floor, which limits it to four
stories, which is why they're proposing

881
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:58,880
a variance to six stories. Um, in terms
of park, there is a a portion of park to

882
01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:04,719
the south of that property. Um we do see
this development within the overall

883
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:09,199
development of Ltoria South. Um we have
received significant park dedication and

884
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:14,960
amenities as part of their original
development agreement.

885
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:20,000
» Okay. Um, I guess I just I just wanted
to say that um I I think it's important

886
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:26,080
to note that this application isn't
being um considered in isolation and

887
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:30,960
there's a future long-term care facility
planned immediately to the north of this

888
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:37,280
site. Um that will look as if it's
almost um eight floors by the time it's

889
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:42,880
built. So, I feel like they were um I
feel like this argument is really not

890
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:48,880
that beneficial um because there's not
going to be a view for either buildings

891
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:54,320
in the end. Um that building is going to
be so large that you won't be able to

892
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:58,639
see over there. So, um I just think it's
um I think PATH deserves some

893
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:03,679
recognition for the vision and long-term
planning that has gone into creating

894
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:10,120
this sense of um place. And um you know
I'm not um I'm not disag

895
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:18,800
on on their views. I I just think that
uh you know it doesn't mean that council

896
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:23,360
approves every application or every
variance that comes before us um from

897
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:27,280
path that but we still you know we have
an obligation to scrutinize each one but

898
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,880
I just think it's fair to acknowledge
that they're they're a developer that

899
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:35,199
have worked really hard for many years
toward creating a co cohesive community

900
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:41,120
rather than simply a collection of
individual projects and I just I just

901
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:46,239
really appreciate that. So thank you.
Thank you very much, Council War.

902
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:49,840
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I was sort of
thrust into speaking a little earlier

903
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:52,719
than I um planned on or envisioned on,
and I think I would have preferred to

904
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,159
have heard from the applicant as well.
So, I'm going to request through the

905
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:00,719
chair that we do that momentarily. Um, I
I did though um want to say a couple

906
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:05,840
things. I think this notion that there's
a loss of commercial area is is not

907
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:10,560
accurate. I think the only real loss to
commercial area that occurred in the

908
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:18,159
Royal Bay or to core was at that former
360 Ltoria or 3 3554 Rider where the

909
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:22,960
sale to a new buyer
meant that the intentions for the site

910
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:27,679
changed drastically. And so then they
completed or met the absolute minimum

911
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:33,120
standard in a five-story building to put
in um about 750 square ft of of

912
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:38,880
commercial space. And I don't want to be
this harbinger of of doom here, but my

913
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:43,120
thought process in this is that, you
know, path or gablecraft for as they're

914
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:48,400
formerly known have been the architects
of this site from the outset. And the

915
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:52,800
proposal they've come up with when we
look at, if you want to call it a

916
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:58,400
benefit for the entirety of of Royal Bay
and Ltoria South is the sort of um the

917
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:01,440
the frontage area on the commons
building, that sort of town square

918
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:07,840
element which you see probably on
greater scale on the corner of Ryder and

919
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:12,960
Ltoria. Um that matters I think because
if they were to go ahead and simply say

920
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:18,480
okay we we put them in a position of we
cannot build the stepped building with

921
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:23,040
the fourstory piece um then as I said
they can build a third sixstory building

922
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:27,360
still it's still going to have the same
impact by my count there's roughly about

923
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:31,280
a half dozen units that may or may not
see a slight improvement on view that

924
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:35,199
ultimately as councelor Jordison stated
will be negated by an over eight story

925
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:40,000
plus mechanic mechanical rooms and
things. Um, uh, senior's home when that

926
01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:43,679
is constructed, not to mention high-rise
development and things on the beachland

927
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:47,840
side. So,
my concern really is, and I'll be I'll

928
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:52,800
be very candid, in a perfect world, I
would like to see nothing more than four

929
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:56,320
stories in Victoria South. Um, I I like
what PATH does, but at the end of the

930
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:59,520
day, I don't like six stories. I don't
like the massing. Um, you know, I

931
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:04,400
understand the economic condition for
it. I I would much prefer to see nothing

932
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:08,400
higher than that, but I'm a realist and
I I'm looking at the facts and the data

933
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:12,400
and trying to keep emotion out of it. I
lost my view and it sucked, you know, to

934
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:16,880
a fourtory, so it's relevant. Three
story, four story took it away. In this

935
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:21,280
case, a six story takes away a fourtory,
but they have the right to build there.

936
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:27,040
And I guess my concern for the community
and for the residents in Eliza is is if

937
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:29,840
this isn't the option, beware of what
the option becomes. And that's not to

938
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:34,880
say that there's anything malicious
there. It's just that if I'm path and I

939
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:39,600
know the economic case and I say I have
the ability to build the five, sixtory

940
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,760
buildings economically in today's
market, that makes sense and I wouldn't

941
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:48,320
begrudge them on that. Now we have that
parcel on the corner where we still have

942
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:52,080
that ground floor commercial space.
Somebody else will come along and look

943
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:57,280
to build there. Now, you might have a
little laneway behind it between the two

944
01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:03,040
CD zones um as you originally saw with
the real estate um office on that site,

945
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:07,120
but there's no guarantee you get that
corner kind of amenity, that that

946
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:11,920
additional space. There's no guarantee
that the form kind of blends in with

947
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:17,120
what's there. Um who knows what the
future holds, I guess. And and in this

948
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:22,239
case, as much as I overall personally
don't like it, I recognize that PATH has

949
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:27,840
come to the table to say we're going to
do the best we can by the commons area.

950
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:31,280
Um, and what's economically viable for
us. So, you don't have to love

951
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:35,120
something, I think, to know that it's
probably best for everyone. Um, and

952
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:38,080
that's where I I wanted to kind of leave
my thought process, but I think some of

953
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:42,239
these questions that have been raised in
fairness, we should hear from the

954
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:46,480
applicant to better understand uh the
mindset behind it.

955
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:50,639
» Thank you. Um, I'm I'm going to before
I'll let the applicant set up right now.

956
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:56,520
I'm going to take a 4m minute health
break here, but go ahead and set up and

957
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:56,520
we'll be ready for him. Thank you.

958
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:16,719
kick us out of a recess and um I'll turn
it over to the applicant for his

959
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:20,320
presentation.
>> Over to you, Matt.

960
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:24,480
» Thank you. Uh good evening, Mayor and
Council. Thank you for the opportunity.

961
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:27,679
Um I mean, between planning and some of
the discussion that's already happened,

962
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:32,719
I think a lot of this has been covered.
So I will skip through my presentation

963
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:37,360
rather quickly and but it is still I
think a good opportunity for yourselves

964
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:42,560
to uh ask questions of myself uh and
path and our intentions for the site um

965
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:46,400
once I'm done. So yeah, my name is
Matthew Davis, VP development with PATH.

966
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:51,679
I've been with the group about 12 years.
And since we started um building here at

967
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:56,880
Royal Bay, um we've delivered now about
a thousand homes, over 100,000 square

968
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:02,880
feet of commercial space, parks, trails,
public gathering spaces, uh and the

969
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:08,639
infrastructure required to support World
Bay's growth.

970
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:12,159
So to summarize uh again what we're
asking for today, we're seeking a

971
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:17,440
development variance permit uh to
increase the allowable height of

972
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:23,840
building E um a new mixeduse building
within area 2 of the CD28 zone from 15

973
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:27,679
meters to 24 meters. Uh as it's been
communicated through staff, we really

974
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:32,800
see this as a technical classification
issue rather than a building form issue

975
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:37,440
because the building includes commercial
on the ground floor. um it's permitted

976
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:41,520
to be 15 meters in height rather than
24. And uh to a question that was

977
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:45,199
answered earlier, I've actually
typically seen the opposite where the

978
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:50,000
mixed use heights are generally higher
in other municipalities. So that is

979
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:54,960
something that's um I do think unique in
this case uh just to answer that earlier

980
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:59,040
question. So to step uh by stepping the
building like we have in our proposal

981
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:03,360
from four to six stories uh we're able
to blend these two height limits in a

982
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:07,440
way that keeps the commercial frontage
within the lower mixeduse scale while

983
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:12,560
allowing the residential portion uh
behind it to align uh with the apartment

984
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:16,239
height already contemplated for this
area.

985
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:21,360
uh building E, the new building
submitted uh as a separate application

986
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:25,760
from the previous five uh on parcel B
that have already been approved and are

987
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:31,520
all sorry four of those five are six
stories in height.

988
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:35,679
Uh we've worked closely with uh city of
Cwood's planning department to arrive at

989
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:41,280
this building form which we feel meets
the intent of the official community

990
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:44,719
plan. Um the commercial frontage uh
along with Royal Commons has

991
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:49,440
deliberately stepped back to create a
public plaza that isn't required. I

992
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:52,800
think the uh minimum step backs 4 and a
half meters. We've stepped the building

993
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:57,880
back. So the first floor of the building
back to about 7 mters to create this

994
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,880
plaza.

995
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:07,119
The site uh just as a reminder located
at the northwest corner um Ryder and

996
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:12,400
Royal Commons opposite the Royal Bay
commercial hub. um just north of the

997
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:16,480
Bella Park uh new condominium
development that's under construction.

998
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:22,480
The official community plan identifies
this area as a pedestrianoriented mixed

999
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:25,960
use and building E has been designed to
complete that vision.

1000
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:34,560
Think I'll skip through some of these.
So this just gives you a sense of what's

1001
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:38,480
under construction so far. So, uh, north
end of the site, left hand side of the

1002
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:42,560
page, uh, mixeduse rental building
that's now open, occupied. Uh, and then

1003
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:48,880
you can see the amenity building in the
middle of the site. And then to the top

1004
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:55,719
of the page, our next uh, 93 unit rental
building, which will deliver uh, in the

1005
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,719
first quarter of next year.

1006
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:07,840
So the uh original site plan for the uh
DP application submitted in 2023

1007
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:13,280
um shows the existing four buildings as
part of that DP as well as the mixeduse

1008
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:18,400
building as well as the uh display
display where the previous Eliza display

1009
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:22,239
center was um and this building will be
and I I'll have an overlay coming up

1010
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,480
here that will uh display a little more
clearly.

1011
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:33,360
So the so essentially what's happened
here the net add additional units is uh

1012
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:38,159
I think it's 65 units and that is
because we have shortened apartment D

1013
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:42,800
and added apartment E. So the additional
density added to the site is not just

1014
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:46,880
apartment E. We've taken units out of D
uh and transferred them to E. Uh and

1015
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:51,600
it's important to note for the site
we're well below the permitted density.

1016
01:44:49,199 --> 01:45:00,679
uh we're permitted 2.5 FSR and I think
we're building all of parcel B to 1.65

1017
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,679
um so significantly below the maximum.

1018
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:09,119
So just uh to give you a sense of the
new vers site plan uh like I said

1019
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:14,000
shortened up building D and we've added
um this stepped four to six story

1020
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:19,440
building for building E with the retail
fronting uh fronting Royal Comments and

1021
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:23,840
the retail to answer the earlier
questions about 2600 square feet in that

1022
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:28,000
building. To give you some context on
how much retail that is, the mixeduse

1023
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:34,440
building to the east of it that just
finished has about 15,000 uh square feet

1024
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:34,440
of retail.

1025
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:43,280
So just the um original proposal
proposal versus the current, we brought

1026
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:48,320
that forward in 2025
uh with staff and it located um the

1027
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:54,480
building at the minimum setback at Royal
Commons um with a full height commercial

1028
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:58,320
fronting rider. Uh but through
consultation with city staff, we agreed

1029
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:03,920
to reduce the height of the commercial
portion and building back to that 7 m I

1030
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:10,560
mentioned earlier. uh well below well
beyond the 4.5 meter setback only would

1031
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:15,760
allow to create the public plaza. Um we
also stepped that sixtory story portion

1032
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:19,960
back uh to achie to achieve that clean
four to six story transition.

1033
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:28,960
So just a massing model uh to show the
new building as well as uh we did update

1034
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:33,440
this the massing is not up to date but
the labeling is. So, you can see that

1035
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:38,560
long-term care facility that is being
built. Uh, it's actually 85 ft of

1036
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:43,600
residential construction, but our
understanding with rooftop units and um

1037
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:48,360
all the mechanical as mentioned earlier
going to the building, it will be over

1038
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,360
100 ft tall.

1039
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:54,560
It's also important to note, I just want
to point out that the six-story

1040
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:59,679
buildings we're building on site are
actually permitted to go to 24 meters

1041
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:05,440
and all of them as of now are below 22
mters, the 21 and change. Um, so not

1042
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,880
even building to that max height that
we're permitted within those sixtory

1043
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,880
buildings.

1044
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:18,880
And just uh another look at that plaza
uh at the corner of Ryder and Royal

1045
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:23,360
Commons. Really what we're trying to do
there is continue. We think that um

1046
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:27,119
Royal Commons now, if you've been down
there, has really kind of been activated

1047
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:33,199
as sort of a high street based on the
treatment of um the plazas, the

1048
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:38,400
sidewalks, the um common area. Uh and
really the intent behind this proposal

1049
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:42,960
is to add to that
uh just a section uh down Ryder Hedge

1050
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:46,840
Stallway with the uh new building in the
forefront there in the middle.

1051
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:54,080
Uh so the completed mixeduse building on
the lefth hand side along Royal Commons.

1052
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:58,159
The shops you'll notice are opening now
uh constantly. I'm happy to uh let you

1053
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:03,920
know we're working on a restaurant pub
as we speak. Hopefully going to get that

1054
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:09,040
open shortly. Um and uh building E there
on the right hand side with the active

1055
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:14,320
frontage along row common decorative um
hardscaping, planting beds, benches, uh

1056
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:19,199
public seating to try to create that um
and encourage that public interaction

1057
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:22,960
with the space.
So just another uh I mentioned this

1058
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:27,280
earlier just on the permitted height. So
the idea that the fourstory portion of

1059
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:32,480
the building uh is under that 15 meter
height uh limit with the six uh story

1060
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:37,480
portion being significantly below the 24
meter um height limit.

1061
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:45,440
Another look at the uh measurements on
the height. I think Matt shared this

1062
01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:51,840
earlier. Do that.
Yeah. So just uh to conclude um

1063
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:56,639
you know the proposed variance aligns
directly we feel align directly with the

1064
01:48:53,920 --> 01:49:01,760
goals of the OCP and the CD28 zone. As
this OCP states the northern boundary of

1065
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:07,040
area 2 contemplates the framing for
commons roadal commons providing the

1066
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:11,920
pedestrianoriented street enclosure with
an appropriate mix of land uses

1067
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:18,400
ground floor retail with commercial
andor residential above.

1068
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:22,639
Um so again just to reiterate you know
the variance we see is a technical

1069
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:26,960
classification issue and uh because that
building includes commercial frontage um

1070
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:32,159
being classified as mixeduse and
therefore subject to that 50 meter

1071
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:35,199
height uh variance. Um at this point
happy to answer any questions you may

1072
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:40,080
have.
>> Thanks very much uh Matt. Uh what's the

1073
01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:44,000
square footage in the bottom of that uh
of the for the commercial side right now

1074
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:50,719
in square feet I
>> of the of this new building about 2600

1075
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:55,360
» 2600 so the entire building that port
that fourstory portion of it is how how

1076
01:49:52,880 --> 01:50:00,480
many square foot would you say?
>> Well so no the retail will be under that

1077
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:04,239
in in terms of all the floors.
>> Yeah.

1078
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:09,040
» So it's it must uh call it 10,000 square
feet the fourtory portion.

1079
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:13,119
» Interesting. And and I I know it's, you
know, this has probably never been asked

1080
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:17,440
enough, but could it be entirely
commercial? Is is is that something you

1081
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:21,600
guys would do?
>> Again, like, you know, and I hear to

1082
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:26,639
counselor D's questions earlier, the
commercial market, it's we've had lots

1083
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:30,000
of, you know, our our goals for the
commons, our goals for these other sites

1084
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:33,916
within Ro has been to get the right mix
of tenants and uses.

1085
01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:36,719
» Yeah. We haven't seen the demand.
[snorts] That's the truth. I'm I'm

1086
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:41,920
asking.
>> Yeah, I have an idea.

1087
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:45,760
» Yeah. Um, we'd be open to that. I I
guess what I would say to that Miracle

1088
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:49,520
Bay is we are hesitant to build product
like that on spec.

1089
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,239
» If we had a use, we would consider it.
>> Okay.

1090
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:56,159
» Yeah.
>> I I do. Um, so can I ask you another

1091
01:50:53,600 --> 01:51:01,119
question? It's all related right now in
in the uh in in Ro comments, you know,

1092
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:04,639
the the shopping. Do you own all is that
all your buildings and and you lease

1093
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:07,440
them out, right? is correct. That so you
have a different business unit that

1094
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:12,320
looks after all that stuff.
>> Yeah, we don't do we own the assets. We

1095
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:14,719
don't property manage them in house. We
use a third party property management

1096
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:18,480
company, but there are
>> Okay, thanks very much. And I'll open it

1097
01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:22,159
up for people. Uh, council growth,
please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. But I

1098
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:25,360
think you asked answered most of my
questions. You said something about

1099
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:30,080
15,000 square feet. What was that in
reference to? Did I mishar you?

1100
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:34,719
» I was just to give context to how much
rental uh retail was in this building. I

1101
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:37,840
said there's 2,600 and the building
adjacent to it, the mixed use building

1102
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:42,239
has about 15,000.
>> Okay. So, that's the 15 from uh for the

1103
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:45,840
entire strip of that road. Okay.
>> Um

1104
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:51,480
I think they that's all covered then
from uh Mayor Kobayashi's questions.

1105
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,480
Thank you.

1106
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:59,520
» Thanks so much, Council Ward.
>> Thank you. And just just feeding into

1107
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:04,080
what the mayor was asking you, Matt. Um
I know Path Gablecraft has a bit of

1108
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:07,360
history in Calgary as well. I wonder if
are you familiar with the university

1109
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:10,159
district there? The new development
there?

1110
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:12,639
» I am. I've actually toured I haven't
toured it. I toured it maybe two years

1111
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,400
ago.
>> Okay.

1112
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:16,480
» It's probably changed a lot since, but
yes.

1113
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:21,840
» Yeah, I was I was just there. And I
think what what interested me is that

1114
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:26,320
the residential component looks very
similar to what we're we have here,

1115
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:32,320
right? It's it's four to six story. Um
but what they've created in a in a

1116
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:37,679
relatively new area um a community much
like Royal Bay is is a vibrant kind of

1117
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:41,599
community where you've got mixed use
where you've got residential and on the

1118
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:45,920
upper you know five floors um and
commercial. I guess when I think of the

1119
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:48,400
the long-term vision and I completely
understand what you're saying right now

1120
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:52,800
about demand and you know on the
commercial side and and that it's a bit

1121
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:57,679
of a sluggish go um but I'm trying to
think further out than maybe past

1122
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:03,199
councils in in call would have and I I
envision a vibrant Royal Bay decades

1123
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:07,199
from now and I look at this street yes
the what we've done in the commons is is

1124
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:10,880
great I I think that vision there as you
said it's starting to emerge as a bit of

1125
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:14,719
a high street I think once um the last
few tenants are in the existing building

1126
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:19,280
and others it it will really round it
out. But longer term, I see a vision for

1127
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:22,000
that to wrap around. Like I look at this
building that you proposed here,

1128
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:27,360
building E, and I see the commercial
element on the ground floor. And I I can

1129
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:31,599
envision a scenario whereby the future
state, if there were more commercial

1130
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:37,199
elements along that entirety, they're
building E, building D, it then starts

1131
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:41,679
to dovetail into the retail commercial
element um that other developers are

1132
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:44,480
building down further. I'm trying to
place the name, but I think you know

1133
01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:47,679
what I the more ground oriented ones
there. Um, and so there's some

1134
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:52,320
connectivity because right now I sort of
see this patchwork approach where we

1135
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:57,360
we've got this sort of outdoor shopping
plaza down opposite the museum, very

1136
01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:01,920
pedestrianoriented kind of area and then
we would have strictly residential for

1137
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:06,639
like a very quiet just just walkable
street that comes up when in fact you

1138
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:10,159
know when I I look at that university
district I would encourage anyone to

1139
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:15,599
kind of Google it, take a look at it. Um
you've got various cafes and and uh

1140
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:20,159
restaurants and and other services and
things that fill in that space. Um the

1141
01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:24,639
type of thing that you know some of them
on on like this corner for example would

1142
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:27,840
be open later and a bit more vibrant.
Some of them being professional services

1143
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:31,760
and things that would close at a you
know a regular business hour so that the

1144
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:37,119
residents aren't disturbed. But I just
wonder in terms of timeline I'm really

1145
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:41,599
going on here. I apologize to everybody
but in terms of timeline and where this

1146
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:47,599
development is is is it feasible to
leave that option open um you know over

1147
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:52,239
the next little while just to see you
know can we work together and and see um

1148
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:56,239
talk about economic development can we
do something here like that and and be

1149
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,400
flexible on you know on trying to find
partners and other things to explore

1150
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:04,480
something like that. Yeah, I think so. I
think as you know, the mayor probably

1151
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:07,199
would acknowledge, we like we've have a
great working relationship with the city

1152
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:11,679
of Collwood and yourselves and we're
open always open to talk about those

1153
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:15,599
opportunities. Um, specifically with
this site, I think one of the challenges

1154
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:19,760
is we have residents now living in the
building adjacent. So, one of the things

1155
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:24,639
we're trying to accomplish is get this
building going soon so that we can sort

1156
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:28,239
of complete that portion of the
community. One of the things we're a bit

1157
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:32,080
concerned about is just general safety
in that area because you got a building

1158
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:34,880
that's going to be complete in uh March
on the other side. You've got this

1159
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:38,639
building and you've got the amenity
building right behind. So, we're trying

1160
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:41,360
to create that hub. To answer your
question though, you know, specifically,

1161
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:47,119
we're open to looking at those
opportunities as time goes. Um, but we

1162
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:50,400
have been pretty amazed at how
challenging the commercial piece has

1163
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:54,880
been. If you look at like the our our
our premier corner of the project

1164
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:59,040
arguably is the corner of Ryder and
Ltoria and we couldn't find someone for

1165
01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:03,840
that space. We were picky. We didn't
want um the same of as what we already

1166
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:07,199
had. We wanted a restaurant and
ultimately you see we ended up putting

1167
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:11,360
our Bella Park presentation center in it
because we couldn't fill it. Um so we're

1168
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:14,480
certainly open opportunities. We just,
you know, we've got uh we've engaged

1169
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:17,040
with callers, haven't engaged with them
for the last few years, and they've been

1170
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:20,800
out looking for tenants, and it's just
been quiet.

1171
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:24,960
» Sure. And that's a fair answer. I mean,
the market is what it is. I I'll leave

1172
01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:27,960
it there. Thank you. Uh, councelor
Jensen,

1173
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:38,000
» thank you, your worship. Um,
I mean, it's tough to process some of

1174
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:42,000
these ideas uh without seeing it before
us. Uh but I appreciate the discussion.

1175
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:46,159
Uh
you know, I look at this and it's often

1176
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:49,599
times we hear, you know, it doesn't fit
with the neighborhood, but what I see

1177
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:55,760
there certainly looks similar to the
building immediately across the street

1178
01:56:51,040 --> 01:57:01,360
or side by each and I I do accept that
uh this is a technical issue more so

1179
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:06,239
than really someone coming in to try and
jam in a few more suites uh you know

1180
01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:10,560
with an additional floor. Um, and you
know, I I I hear the residents. I really

1181
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:16,000
do. And I can't count the number of
times that this council sat here at this

1182
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:20,560
table trying to explain uh you know,
that people have been let down by the

1183
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:26,719
real estate industry. Uh, and I think
there's a lesson in there uh for uh

1184
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:31,040
certainly for developers who are uh
partnering with different firms and

1185
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:38,000
putting together their sales packages
and their portfolio. So I do accept that

1186
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:43,920
uh and I I can envision uh realators
saying what they need to say to uh get a

1187
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:48,719
signature on on a document. But the
other part is is I mean nothing I see

1188
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:54,000
here is out of line. Uh there are there
was discussion along the way and I' I've

1189
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:58,320
been here since I guess really since the
early days of when this was start

1190
01:57:56,239 --> 01:58:04,239
starting to be built and uh there's lots
of discussion about multi multi-stories

1191
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:08,480
like uh you know 20 stories and stuff
which has come and gone over the few

1192
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:12,800
years. So I mean again what I see here
is not out of line. I'm certainly not

1193
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:18,400
opposed to what what I see. And in fact,
I quite like the plaza area and the uh

1194
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:22,800
availability of some some store footage.
Thank you, worship. Thank you very much.

1195
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:27,040
Um I'm just looking at this right now.
The recommendation is send it back to

1196
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:31,880
staff, but I don't think you can add
anything more. Can you staff?

1197
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:38,000
Um at this stage I I feel like one of
the things that was missed in the

1198
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:42,639
planning and land use uh committee
meeting was just discussing that uh we

1199
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:47,040
have worked with the applicant pretty
significantly. The initial application

1200
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:51,119
that we received was six stories as Matt
showed in his presentation. It was kind

1201
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:54,560
of six stories almost right up to the
edge of the property line and we've

1202
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:59,280
worked with them to step it back
significantly as as he showed. So I feel

1203
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:02,960
like we've
we could always maybe have further

1204
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:07,119
discussions, but I think we've we've
made significant progress from what we

1205
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:10,000
initially uh received as an initial
application.

1206
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:15,280
» Yeah, I'm I'm just looking for a staff
recommendation because

1207
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:20,719
» uh I the my presentation has my the
staff recommendation from the planning

1208
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:25,520
and land use committee that I hopefully
the staff recommendation was to approve.

1209
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:29,599
Um I think that is the Yeah, that is the
one.

1210
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:34,560
» Okay, that's the one. Okay.
Um, councelor Jensen, you still hot

1211
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:38,239
there?
Oh, okay. Yeah, you're just moving.

1212
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:44,679
Thank you. Uh, can I get a second here,
please? Okay, councelor Gro. Uh,

1213
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,679
discussion. Further discussion.

1214
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:53,840
Seeing none, I'll call the question. All
those in favor? Uh, any opposed? Seeing

1215
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:57,080
none, motion carries unanimous. Thanks
very much.

1216
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:06,719
Okay, we'll move on to 8.2.
Mr. Johnson, introduce the speakers,

1217
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:09,920
please. Thank you. Uh through the mayor,
to members of council, this is

1218
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:16,080
development variance permit application
DBP 0023 446 Pelican Drive. The

1219
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:22,320
recommendation is that development
variance permit number DVP 0023 for the

1220
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:26,080
lands at 446 Pelican Drive be approved
which would have the effect of

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02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:29,679
superseding the condition imposed by
DVP0907

1222
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:33,440
requiring that the highest floor be no
higher than the highest street level

1223
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:36,639
fronting the property thereby permitting
the use of the existing upper floor area

1224
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:40,159
above the garage as part of the
principal residence and that all

1225
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:46,800
remaining provisions and conditions
under DBP 0907 remain full and

1226
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:50,000
effective. and in force. There is a
staff presentation should you wish to

1227
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:53,199
receive it and Caitlyn Suzuki our
planner one uh can provide that should

1228
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:56,960
council wish to receive that.
>> Okay. Thank you. Your report was very

1229
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:01,440
good. It's very straightforward. I'm
just going to open it up to questions

1230
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:07,280
here from from council and I will open
with councelor Jordis.

1231
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:12,639
» Thank you mayor. Um I just had a
question. Um was concerned about the

1232
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:17,440
sequence here. Um the report says a
building permit was issued in July to

1233
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:21,840
finish the upper floor area and then
following a review of the property's

1234
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:27,599
approval history, staff determined that
a variance was required. So I'm just can

1235
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:34,280
staff explain how we issued the building
permit before identifying the

1236
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:34,280
restriction in the existing DVP.

1237
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:45,599
Uh thank you for the question uh through
the chair. So when the um building

1238
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:50,960
permit was initially reviewed um it was
reviewed um largely against our land use

1239
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:55,840
bylaw. Um since the works proposed were
all interior uh there were no um it

1240
02:01:54,400 --> 02:02:01,679
aligned fully with our bylaw
regulations. Um so it wasn't until um

1241
02:01:59,599 --> 02:02:06,320
afterwards um that we realized that
there was this uh old development

1242
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:09,760
variance permit. Um at the time staff
didn't go looking for development

1243
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:13,920
variance permits since no variances were
required.

1244
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:18,159
» Okay. Um and just um just from that I
just wanted to ask um because the

1245
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:21,920
condition originally formed part of the
rationale for allowing increased

1246
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:26,480
building height on the Pelican Drive
properties. Do you know how many other

1247
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:32,199
properties remain subject to it? And
should council expect similar

1248
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:32,199
applications in the future?

1249
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:44,159
Uh thank you for the question. Um I
would have to um just pull it up. Um

1250
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:50,159
but if you think there were uh multiple
properties within the sub uh subdivision

1251
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:55,080
that were um subject to this variance.
Um, I believe the um

1252
02:02:55,679 --> 02:03:03,119
I believe it's seven lots that uh were
permitted to increase building height

1253
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:08,560
from the 8.5 to the 10.5 m. Um, and I
believe um one of which already uh

1254
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:11,119
previously applied for a variance um to
uh increase the height without this

1255
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:17,040
condition.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1256
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:20,880
» Thank you, Counc.
>> Thank you, worship. Um, you know, quite

1257
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:24,639
frankly, we don't see these, uh, come
forward that often that are homeowner

1258
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:29,520
driven and and not developer, uh,
driven. And quite frankly, uh, you know,

1259
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:34,560
uh, I had the pleasure of having a recck
room for my kids. So, God bless. And I

1260
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:39,119
would love to move this recommendation
and move on to worship. Thank you. I'll

1261
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:43,360
flip around. I'll let uh, people ask
questions. Councelor Olson.

1262
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:47,840
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, thank you,
Caitlyn. My question really was just um

1263
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:51,520
staff indicate that there was uh a
notification that was provided within

1264
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:56,159
100 meters. Um and I was just wondering
if there have been any concerns or

1265
02:03:53,599 --> 02:04:00,320
objections uh received since the report
was repaired or um sorry was prepared. I

1266
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:03,199
understand there was some windows
removed that were potentially facing

1267
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:06,800
neighborhood property. So I was just
wondering if that was complaint driven

1268
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:10,520
or if there have been any concerns
raised from neighbors.

1269
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:18,080
Uh thank you and uh through the chair um
there was um concerns from the

1270
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:23,520
neighboring property um at one point um
we have uh I believe today after um we

1271
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:29,520
did receive uh a letter from the
neighbor that was um included materials

1272
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:36,080
for the agenda today um speaking to how
they were um no longer concerned. Um,

1273
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:39,840
other than that, we've had um I know of
and someone asking questions about it at

1274
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:44,000
the front counter, but no other um
concerns have come in.

1275
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:47,840
» So, one complaint and it was resolved.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1276
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:52,960
» Thank you. Uh, council gay.
>> Thank you. um just always being the uh

1277
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:59,520
council historian. Uh there were a
number of issues in the area resulting

1278
02:04:55,280 --> 02:05:03,840
from uh new builds that took place after
there there were um trying to think of

1279
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:09,840
the name of that when they when they
have building conditions on a

1280
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:15,920
subdivision uh which are registered on
title but they weren't didn't flow from

1281
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:22,320
the city, they flowed from the original
development. Uh and then subsequently

1282
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:28,719
there was a number of concerns around
height and loss of views because it is a

1283
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:33,119
lovely view area. Uh so I believe that's
where they come from. So, I just think

1284
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:41,440
it's really important that we find a way
to uh document our history in those

1285
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:45,840
regards so that the uh if if we're not
remembering it, we're also not

1286
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:51,199
protecting the people who are expecting
to be protected. So, just trying to keep

1287
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:55,280
our keep our history straight. Thanks.
>> Thank you very much. Uh Council Jensen,

1288
02:05:53,679 --> 02:06:00,159
you want to make the motion second,
please? Okay. Council Grove. Uh

1289
02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:04,400
discussion
seeing none I'll call the question. Any

1290
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:10,480
opposed?
Seeing none, motion carries unanimous

1291
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:15,840
and we'll move on to 8.3 de uh DVP uh
000018 221 Kofinch Road. U Mr. Johnson,

1292
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,719
please.
>> Thank you. Your worship through the

1293
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:24,080
members of council. This is development
variance permit number DVP 0018. The

1294
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:27,520
recommendation is for these lands that
this variance be approved which would

1295
02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:32,159
have the effect of varying varying
section 6.14.3

1296
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:37,360
of subdivision and development servicing
bylaw number 202024

1297
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:42,560
to permit an increase to the maximal
allowable driveway with a corner lot

1298
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:46,880
from 7 m to 22.8 8 meters to provide
access to the two proposed duplexes on

1299
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:51,679
the subject property and that staff work
with the applicant to incorporate

1300
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:56,159
permeable paving materials with the
driveway areas through the development

1301
02:06:53,760 --> 02:07:00,000
variance process. There is a staff
presentation should you receive it and

1302
02:06:58,159 --> 02:07:03,840
Matt Blakeley our senior planner has
that information or ultimately we can

1303
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:05,760
answer questions that council may have.
Okay.

1304
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:09,880
» Thank you. Matt, could you proceed with
the presentation? Thank you.

1305
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:29,599
All right. Thank you again mayor and
council. Uh so the purpose of this

1306
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:36,800
presentation is to provide a highle
summary of development variance permit

1307
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:42,159
application number uh DVP 000018
for the property located at 221

1308
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:47,119
Goldfinch Road. Uh a more detailed
analysis and supporting information are

1309
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:51,760
provided in the staff report. As always,
uh

1310
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:58,239
the subject property located in the
Lagoon Beach neighborhood is near Lagoon

1311
02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:02,400
Road, is currently zoned R1 residential,
and is within the OCP land use

1312
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:06,480
designation, neighborhood, hillside, and
shoreline. The property features a

1313
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:14,079
continuous corner frontage along
Goldfinch Road and has an area of

1314
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:18,000
roughly 31 acres or 1,278
square meters. The property currently

1315
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:21,280
contains an existing single family
residential dwelling. In terms of

1316
02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:27,040
surrounding context, the broader
neighborhood is also primary R1

1317
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:33,520
residential development is mainly single
family homes, both freehold and strata

1318
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:39,679
with some two family dwellings nearby.
Uh so this proposal, you'll uh recognize

1319
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:45,360
it uh it's related to uh two
applications. um a reszoning application

1320
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:50,800
uh to establish the proposed CD45 zone,
which uh is also on tonight's council

1321
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:55,599
agenda, as well as a form and character
development permit for the proposed

1322
02:08:52,800 --> 02:09:00,560
development of two duplex buildings with
each unit, including a secondary suite.

1323
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:04,159
The variance before council this evening
is required because the combined

1324
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:10,239
driveway widths proposed along the
corner lot fronted exceed the bylaw

1325
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:13,679
maximum. staff are bringing the driveway
variance forward this evening alongside

1326
02:09:12,239 --> 02:09:17,119
the zoning amendment because the
variance relates to the city's

1327
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:24,239
subdivision and development servicing
bylaw uh not the proposed land use uh or

1328
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:28,719
zoning regulations. Considering these
items together helps resolve key bylaw

1329
02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:34,280
matters at the same time and provides
greater clarity and certainty for the

1330
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:34,280
project.

1331
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:45,760
Uh so the the specific request um as I
said is to vary section 6.14.3

1332
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:51,119
of the subdivision and development
services and bylaw. The bylaw permits a

1333
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:59,360
maximum driveway width of 7 m on a
corner lot. The applicant is requesting

1334
02:09:53,840 --> 02:10:04,719
22.8 m in total with 11.96 m for duplex
block one and 10.84 meters for block

1335
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:09,199
two.
The key question is whether the

1336
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:14,239
additional width is justified by the
site constraints and the resulting

1337
02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:22,000
access design. So I'll just pause here.
Um so uh as you can see uh it we measure

1338
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:26,880
the width uh for the driveways in this
instance at property line. Uh so the

1339
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:31,599
driveways do taper as they get towards
the rightway but as I said we me measure

1340
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:35,639
at the property line which is why the
distances are so large.

1341
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:48,239
So the original proposal um in 2025
included four separate driveways.

1342
02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:51,599
Through staff review, the design was
revised to provide the two shared

1343
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:56,880
driveways, as I was just showing you,
with each driveway serving one duplex

1344
02:10:54,320 --> 02:11:01,280
building and its secondary suites. This
approach reduces the number of driveway

1345
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:04,639
crossings and better aligns with the
city development permit design

1346
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:08,880
guidelines, which encourage shared
service areas and consolidated driveways

1347
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:13,599
across sidewalks.
However, the city's subdivision uh and

1348
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:19,280
development servicing bylaw limits the
combined driveway width on corner lots

1349
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:24,639
to 7 meters as I mentioned. Um and the
applicant is proposing 22.8

1350
02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:29,840
necessitating this variance request. So
the increased width is largely driven by

1351
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:33,920
the the site's physical constraints. Uh
the the lot is shallow, irregular in

1352
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:38,239
shape and subject to setback
requirements that limit building

1353
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:42,480
placement. As a result, there is limited
room for driveways to taper while still

1354
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:46,040
providing required parking and safe
functional access.

1355
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:55,440
Uh staff also note that the previous
four driveway concept would likely have

1356
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:59,599
resulted in similar overall driveway
width when combined and would have

1357
02:11:57,599 --> 02:12:04,079
required an additional variance for the
number of driveways. Uh the revised two

1358
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:09,199
driveway design therefore better aligns
with the bylaw even through uh even

1359
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:14,239
though uh width variance is still
required. Uh the revised design does

1360
02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:18,719
increase hard surfacing in the front
yard and therefore is not fully aligned

1361
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:23,840
with the OCP guidelines that seek to
reduce the visual and environmental

1362
02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:27,280
impacts of large driveway areas. To help
address this, council may wish to

1363
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:32,000
consider a condition requiring the
applicant to work with staff to

1364
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:37,679
incorporate permeable pavers, grass, or
a similar treatment for the driveways.

1365
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:42,079
So, in summary, staff support the
requested variance because the proposed

1366
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:45,440
driveway width is driven by the site's
physical constraints, including the

1367
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:49,760
shallow lot depth, corner lot
configuration, and setback requirements

1368
02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:54,719
that limit building placement. The
revised design consolidates access into

1369
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:58,320
two shared driveways rather than four,
which reduce the driveway crossings and

1370
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:03,679
better aligns with the city's
development permit guidelines. And while

1371
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:07,280
staff recognize the variance request is
significant, staff are of the opinion

1372
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:11,760
that the oversized driveways are
necessary to provide safe functional

1373
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:15,480
access to the proposed duplexes and
their secondary suites.

1374
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:22,960
Uh just to note uh this was brought up
as part of the zoning amendment

1375
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:26,079
application, but there is a 2meter
municipal road dedication that's

1376
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:31,760
required along the frontage of this
development. Um this is to achieve an

1377
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:37,679
overall 18 m rightway width along the
subject property's frontage. Uh this

1378
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:42,880
dedication would be required um or this
dedication has been approved and uh is

1379
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:48,280
now done um in advance of council
considering the amending bylaw for

1380
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,280
adoption tonight.

1381
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:57,760
Um so just quickly the uh development
has also been reviewed against the

1382
02:13:55,280 --> 02:14:03,920
proposed CD45 zone and complies with all
the listed zoning regulations.

1383
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:07,199
uh development sign has been placed on
the property and postcards outlining the

1384
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:10,560
variance requests were mailed to
neighbors within 100 meters of the

1385
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:13,560
property prior to this evening's
meeting.

1386
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:26,800
Um and then finally, um these are some
options to consider uh for council. Um,

1387
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:31,119
and I will just leave the staff
recommendation on the screen for your

1388
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:36,320
consideration. Um, if necessary, the
applicant is here to uh answer any

1389
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:40,400
questions you may have and uh both Mr.
Rosenberg and myself are available

1390
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:43,119
should you have any questions for staff.
Thank you.

1391
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:47,119
» Thank you very much. Great presentation.
Councelor Day, questions.

1392
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:55,599
» Thank you. Uh, I'd like to confirm that
there is sufficient parking within the

1393
02:14:50,079 --> 02:15:02,920
driveways for uh both the suite and the
home to park their vehicles without

1394
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:02,920
parking across a pedestrian pathway

1395
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:13,199
uh through the chair. Thank you for the
question. Uh yes, uh there's uh

1396
02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:18,320
significant uh space. There's um drive
or sorry there's a garage which would

1397
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:25,040
accommodate a vehicle and then um two
spaces um one in tandem and then one

1398
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:29,520
beside for the the secondary suite. Um,
so

1399
02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:33,920
me probably the most conflict would be
on the uh the right side of the screen

1400
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:39,760
if there was guests over or things like
that. But it would generally I don't see

1401
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:50,159
any conflict um in terms of uh what is
required as per our parking bylaw.

1402
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:54,960
But uh for there to them to park uh
outside of their garage, they would be

1403
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:58,400
able to fit without interfering with the
pedestrians

1404
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:03,280
uh realm there.
>> Yes. Um the gray blocks on the the image

1405
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:08,560
there represent the space that a vehicle
would take up. Um so it there's still

1406
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:10,560
several meters before where the sidewalk
would be.

1407
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:15,440
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> Thank you, uh councelor George. Thank

1408
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:22,639
you, mayor. I just had a quick question.
Uh it says here like the second part of

1409
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:28,400
the motion even um about the I just want
clarification about the proposed

1410
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:32,240
mitigation of the permeable paving. Um
it's important enough to address the

1411
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:38,160
amount of hard surface being approved.
So I just want to understand why um

1412
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:43,200
staff is simply direct well why is being
directed to simply um for staff to work

1413
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:50,160
with the applicant rather than making
that an explicit condition. Sarah

1414
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:58,319
» uh thank you for the question through uh
through the mayor. Um that is uh was put

1415
02:16:53,679 --> 02:17:04,080
in as a condition um just uh because the
uh development permit is approved by

1416
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:08,719
staff. So through if this variance was
granted then we would have the the set

1417
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:14,000
driveway area and that staff can work
with the the applicant to determine an

1418
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:19,679
appropriate level of
uh permeability for the driveway. Um and

1419
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:22,559
we would work with them through that uh
before approving the development permit.

1420
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:26,319
» Okay.
>> So that's why it's worded that way.

1421
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:30,240
council can suggest a a stronger
condition, but that is that is why it's

1422
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:33,760
worded that way is because we need
before we would issue the development

1423
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:38,559
permit, we would work with you.
>> Okay. Thank you,

1424
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:45,519
» Counc. Thank you, Mayor. I'm just asking
about is that red strip the sidewalk?

1425
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:49,599
» That red strip represents the 2 m
dedication um the actual road

1426
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:55,519
crosssection. And um I don't know if
John can speak to that if it's already

1427
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:58,559
um figured out yet, but the road cross
section would have the sidewalk

1428
02:17:56,880 --> 02:18:02,319
basically in that red area because it is
at the property line.

1429
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:07,200
» Yeah. So I noticed that out to the uh
the party on Saturday night in the park.

1430
02:18:05,439 --> 02:18:11,040
Uh there were a lot of cars parked along
the strip of road. So it's very narrow

1431
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:14,800
and there's a wet ditch on either side.
It's a little bit tricky. So, I'm just

1432
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:20,719
wondering about the potential for
improving that road as the park

1433
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:24,800
increases in its use
and the issue of the because there's a

1434
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:30,240
corner right there too. So, I'm not
really doubting the improvement or this

1435
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:35,359
particular application. It's more of how
it applies to its relationship to the

1436
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:39,920
road and the road itself. They'd be
required to do the frontage works to the

1437
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:44,080
center line of the rideway. So you'll
see formalized curb on the house side of

1438
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:46,559
it, but you won't see a formalized curb
on the opposite side,

1439
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:50,319
» which should improve the walking
experience, which I suffered there.

1440
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:53,200
» Significant cars are leading. Everybody
is very respectful. It was not a

1441
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:56,559
problem, but it's a bit tight.
>> Yeah, they'd be off the roadway under

1442
02:18:55,120 --> 02:19:00,639
the new bill.
>> Pet, thanks.

1443
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:03,840
» Okay, council Ward.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I recall this from

1444
02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:07,200
the planning and land use committee and
I was just looking at the original

1445
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:11,439
diagrams with the four driveways and
it's not very often you can consolidate

1446
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:14,960
point of entry to roads that actually
would improve the efficiency of the

1447
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:18,240
road. Um it's kind of a unique
opportunity and when you compare the two

1448
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:22,160
to me it's just a no-brainer uh
particularly how it tapers once you hit

1449
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:25,679
the um 2 meter dedication. So I'd like
to move the staff recommendation.

1450
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:32,479
» Okay, great. Timing's perfect. Second,
please councelor Jordan. Uh discussion

1451
02:19:30,319 --> 02:19:36,800
seeing any uh call the question. Any
opposed? Seeing none motion carries

1452
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:39,800
unanimous. Thank you very much. We move
on.

1453
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:49,319
We are now at 8.4
website action plan.

1454
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:49,319
Mr. Johnson,

1455
02:19:53,040 --> 02:20:00,520
you want to speak to this?
come on up for us.

1456
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:14,399
There we go. Mr. Mayor, council, um I
didn't think I'd be back here quite this

1457
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:21,359
early in my I should apologize probably.
Um I'm speaking to the um the website

1458
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:29,040
again. Uh we've got the current stat the
action plan status report. Um, we've got

1459
02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:33,359
four specific concerns. The directory,
um, council directed the restoration of

1460
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:39,439
the staff directory. The report
describes the existing contact model,

1461
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:45,200
which predates the motion and marks the
item as complete. With respect, it is

1462
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:50,960
not complete. The BC government's
decision to remove its own directory

1463
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:56,080
four days ago has been immediately
criticized by BC's own information and

1464
02:20:53,520 --> 02:21:01,439
privacy commissioner who called it a
regrettable and very serious

1465
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:08,479
transparency issue and encouraged public
bodies not to follow suit.

1466
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:14,160
Sanage Oak Bayol Sydney and the CRD
itself all still publish uh staff

1467
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:20,080
directors. We ask council to confirm its
direction and require a specific

1468
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:25,920
implementation plan. The bylaws
repository the bylaws improvement are

1469
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:30,960
welcome. However, the regository lacks a
search function. Council's direction

1470
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:35,680
specifically required a searchable
repository.

1471
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:41,120
The council motion tracker. We cannot
find the March 9th. This is an example.

1472
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:46,399
We cannot find the March 9th motion
directing staff to collaborate with Lang

1473
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:52,800
Langford on solid waste collection. A
unanimous decision with potential

1474
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:58,800
savings of over $280 per household. If
that motion is absent, the tractor is

1475
02:21:55,840 --> 02:22:03,760
not yet comprehensive. We ask staff to
confirm its completeness.

1476
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:09,960
The policies underpinning the website
date from 2009 20 and 2014.

1477
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:15,760
Let's wrap up.
>> They are foundational documents and they

1478
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:21,040
are seriously outdated. We ask council
to direct that they be reviewed and

1479
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:27,840
updated as a priority.
Uh we genu genu genuinely acknowledge

1480
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:32,080
the progress made the bylaw improvements
the motion tracker the development

1481
02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:39,040
tracker work but the staff directory has
been outstanding since December 8th 2025

1482
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:42,319
and really it's staff directory that
started this whole thing off in the

1483
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:46,319
first place.
Now more than eight months with the

1484
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:51,920
election seven weeks away, we
respectfully ask council to act on its

1485
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:58,160
commitment today. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

1486
02:22:55,200 --> 02:23:01,280
» Okay, Mr. Johnson.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of

1487
02:22:59,439 --> 02:23:06,080
council. This is the website action
report. This the motion is to receive

1488
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:10,640
the report and uh staff are here to
answer any questions. There aren't a

1489
02:23:07,439 --> 02:23:14,319
presentation to go with this. We're um
with still within the timeline of the 90

1490
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:18,160
days that council gave us the direction
to have these improvements. This is

1491
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:22,479
considered the interimm report at this
point providing the direction that

1492
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:27,120
you've given and where we're at to date
and staff are here to answer questions

1493
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:32,800
you may have regarding this report. Mr.
Thank you. Open it up for questions from

1494
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:40,800
council. Councelor Day, please.
>> Thank you. Um, yeah, I it's funny that

1495
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:45,760
uh I I didn't speak to uh the Royal Bay
Homeowners Association, but we came to

1496
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:51,439
the same conclusions. Uh, and I'm
concerned that uh when I I won't look

1497
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:57,200
too hard for it, but when I was reading
the report, and I'm very impressed that

1498
02:23:53,920 --> 02:24:03,359
it's here already. that's great. Uh but
it says that uh they're substantially

1499
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:09,760
complete and I don't feel that that is
the case because um what I heard from

1500
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:15,120
not just the Royal Bay Homeowners
Association but others who contacted

1501
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:20,800
council was that they wanted to have the
ability to contact specific staff

1502
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:26,080
members where they've been dealing with
an issue already. uh that the uh they

1503
02:24:24,479 --> 02:24:34,640
don't have to tell the story all over
again and we haven't provided that yet.

1504
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:41,280
Uh so I wanted to say that um the staff
directory part for me um it it doesn't

1505
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:46,640
accomplish I mean I can think of lots of
out of the box ways that we could do

1506
02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:54,319
something around the malberry bush that
that could prevent us from having spam

1507
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:58,640
zilla problems. Uh but at the same time
I think the basic principle is there

1508
02:24:56,160 --> 02:25:03,280
that we still need a staff directory so
that if you're dealing with somebody

1509
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:08,960
here at the city on an issue that you
can recont them if that issue comes up

1510
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:14,560
again. Uh so I think that that is an
issue. Uh I think the governance

1511
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:20,960
ownership that's great that we have a
place where it belongs but the part that

1512
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:25,439
is missing is the departments verifying
the data and that has not been happening

1513
02:25:23,439 --> 02:25:30,560
and has not been happening since about
2022

1514
02:25:27,359 --> 02:25:36,479
uh because I I just constantly run
things where it hasn't gotten updated.

1515
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:43,680
So we need I'm not saying this to be
hard on anyone. We just we need a better

1516
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:49,120
process. And our report tonight also
included captures or kind of screenshots

1517
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:54,560
of what has been done on the website.
And those reflect the kind of poor

1518
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:59,520
digital quality that I often find on the
website that I find frustrating because

1519
02:25:56,399 --> 02:26:05,600
I'm getting old and wearing these and
they get smudgy and the if it's blurry,

1520
02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:11,439
I can't hardly read it. So, uh I'm sure
I'm not alone in finding that

1521
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:18,560
frustrating. Uh and then we have quite a
few data points that I've identified as

1522
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:23,359
being needing to be updated that have
been only partially updated. Development

1523
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:30,960
stats for one. Uh we only have three
quarters of 2025 on there still. Um, so

1524
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:36,640
I'm not satisfied that we're taking the
feedback that the public is giving us uh

1525
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:42,880
as seriously as we need to and I think
that we need to find a better way to get

1526
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:47,760
that website updated. So because that's
free that's free to get our residents

1527
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:53,120
reviewing it for us and telling us, hey,
you missed a spot over here and and we

1528
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:56,080
could really make use of their help.
Thanks.

1529
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:59,439
» Thank you very much. Yeah, one of my
frustrations right now, I'll give you

1530
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:03,920
direct feedback, is you know that
developer tracking. You know, if if you

1531
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:07,040
don't want to keep it up to date, then
why the hell would we have it in there?

1532
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:12,479
Pardon my language, but that's
frustrating. It really is frustrating.

1533
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:18,160
You know, h have up-to-date information.
My my goodness, it it just doesn't make

1534
02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:24,319
sense. Please, Mari, you're
>> Thank you. Um so the development tracker

1535
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:29,680
which is a new tool that we have on our
website is linked to Tempest

1536
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:38,080
and so when we have new applications
they are automatically updated onto our

1537
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:43,120
website. Um we have limitations in the
statuses that we can provide. So for

1538
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:48,080
development permits we typically just
provide the submission date and the

1539
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:52,240
issuance date. Okay. Um for reasonzoning
applications we are able to include when

1540
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:57,359
it would go to planning and land use and
when it would go forward for readings at

1541
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:02,000
council. Um we
>> so is there a better way to indicate

1542
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:06,160
that in and not without creating a lot
more work for yourself right now but

1543
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:10,319
it's frustrating because you know and
then you know I get more more current

1544
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:15,439
information and then the public is
looking at information that's old like I

1545
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:21,200
can get I can go to you for example and
get more current information but I know

1546
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:25,840
using that development tracker it wasn't
current like I can show you examples of

1547
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:30,880
this has happened you
was just querying some things right now.

1548
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:36,000
So that is a bit frustrating. So they
should have the public should have the

1549
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:41,200
same access as we have and and I'm lucky
because I can go walk down to your

1550
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:46,240
office and and ask. So that's what the
issue is more and and if it isn't quite

1551
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:52,080
up to date just to have maybe just some
way we can signal that it isn't up to

1552
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:55,600
date so that people know that that's not
the most current thing they should be

1553
02:28:53,520 --> 02:29:00,800
using. I don't know how to do this and
I'm just suggesting this to you. It it

1554
02:28:58,240 --> 02:29:06,720
is a frustration though
that so I didn't mean to interrupt you

1555
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:11,120
but uh that you know I I understand this
now you've contextualized it for me so

1556
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:17,439
so thank you very much but there's got
to be a way if it isn't quite up to date

1557
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:22,479
then then we it's got to have an ability
to say that there

1558
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:26,319
» so I would say for reasonzoning
applications

1559
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:31,120
I would say those types of applications
are generally more up to-date. It's

1560
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:36,399
development permits that we do not put
the plans up on the website when they

1561
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:42,399
submit them because we have an internal
review process where we may receive

1562
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:46,560
three different iterations of plans. And
so we were not going to put up those

1563
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:50,880
different iterations on the website
because that could cause confusion. So

1564
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:56,800
we have only been putting up development
permits once they are issued. Um I would

1565
02:29:54,080 --> 02:30:00,479
say um the development permit delegation
bylaw of course is going this evening to

1566
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:06,160
council for first second and third
reading. So development permits um will

1567
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:10,560
be more up to date on the development
tracker once they do go to council

1568
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:13,840
because they'll be on the agenda and we
will be able to put that up on the

1569
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:19,200
development tracker. Okay.
>> Uh great explanation. uh it just

1570
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:25,439
requires that explanation when people
are at it that if it's not there the

1571
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:29,520
reason why hasn't been um hasn't been
approved something like that just an

1572
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:34,880
indication
>> yeah perhaps we can consider putting up

1573
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:41,040
some wording about what to expect for
each type of application

1574
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:48,319
» thank you uh councel please
>> thank you I I find it difficult when

1575
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:55,760
we ask for action and we get excuses and
I'm I'm sorry but telling us that it's

1576
02:30:51,200 --> 02:31:01,600
in tempest and you know so that's that's
that is needs to be addressed. I mean

1577
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:07,280
you can't just tell me we can't do it
like that that is not acceptable.

1578
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:13,760
We are trying to be transparent with our
public and whether you make a PDF and

1579
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:18,880
upload it through corporate services or
do something. If we're going to tell

1580
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:22,800
people what we're doing, we need to tell
people what we're doing and not make

1581
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:26,960
excuses. Well, we'll tell you about
resonings, but we won't tell you about

1582
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:33,760
development permits. So, I think we need
to know and and there needs to be some

1583
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:37,160
some clarity uh for the public to see
what's coming.

1584
02:31:38,319 --> 02:31:45,920
» Okay. Um this was just uh for receipt.
Um

1585
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:51,840
sorry, Council Jordis, please.
>> Sorry, Mayor. Just a um a last minute

1586
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:58,880
question. I I guess um with seeing the
concern around uh 0.1

1587
02:31:54,880 --> 02:32:03,680
seeing that it is uh completed but it I
I I'm hearing that council doesn't feel

1588
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:07,439
that it is. Um I'm just wondering could
staff explain whether they're asking

1589
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:12,760
council to reconsider that portion of
its direction rather than considering it

1590
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,760
completed.

1591
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:20,319
» I don't think we're looking for
reconsideration. I think um staff

1592
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:24,640
continue to explore and monitor how
other communities and the province are

1593
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:31,040
approaching this and we'll um work to
implement a solution that serves.

1594
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:36,640
» Okay. Thank you.
>> And and just for council's

1595
02:32:33,040 --> 02:32:40,640
clarification, we'll bring a
this is the interimm report saying these

1596
02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:44,800
are the steps we've made to date. We've
heard council's feedback. We've heard

1597
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:49,359
feedback uh from the community. We will
take that on board and adjust course as

1598
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:53,760
necessary. One of the things we're
trying to balance is cyber security risk

1599
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:57,120
insurance that we have through cyber
security which requires we have certain

1600
02:32:55,600 --> 02:33:01,520
components that are in and certain
components that are out. We understand

1601
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:06,960
council's feedback. Uh we will make sure
that we rectify that in the next update

1602
02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:11,760
to council. Thank you. Okay, that was
just for information. So, we'll move on

1603
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:16,880
to 8.5
uh 2027 budget approach. Unfortunately,

1604
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:22,399
Kathy Mlullan
uh wasn't able to join us this evening.

1605
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:28,960
Um and uh I can't expect you to answer
all the questions, Mr. Johnson, but I we

1606
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:35,120
do have a few comments. So, if you want
to proceed, please. And uh

1607
02:33:32,240 --> 02:33:39,600
on this side,
>> nothing further. Yeah, you've got a

1608
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:44,160
report.
Oh, go ahead, please.

1609
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:50,040
You weren't here in the beginning of
public participation, so I didn't know

1610
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:50,040
if you wanted to speak, so I

1611
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:57,720
» There we go. Um,

1612
02:33:57,920 --> 02:34:07,920
we like the direction of this uh
proposed approach. Um, we're a little

1613
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:14,080
concerned that it's not uh detailed
enough for you to actually give the

1614
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:19,920
endorsement um
that staff are asking for. We think the

1615
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:24,880
endorsement should be the direction is
great. Now you've got to now you've got

1616
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:30,479
to put some meat on the bones of this
thing and let us know what does a light

1617
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:35,520
touch mean? what what kind of
information do we need before we can

1618
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:41,120
just take that light touch so that
people understand what you're trying to

1619
02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:46,240
uh what you're trying to accomplish. We
support the direction. We encourage

1620
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:50,479
council to endorse it, but we also
encourage council to recognize that the

1621
02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:58,399
framework still needs some work before
the detailed 2027 budget process begins.

1622
02:34:55,120 --> 02:35:03,760
Uh the other issue of course is how much
direction are you going to provide in

1623
02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:10,319
terms of the 2027 budget process as a
council when you've got new a new

1624
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:15,120
council coming into play in November and
how much are you going to constrain that

1625
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:21,439
road of pokes and hopefully you'll all
be back. Um, but in the in the um in the

1626
02:35:19,120 --> 02:35:26,880
event that you're not, I think you've
got an obligation to the new council to

1627
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:34,800
make sure that they have the kind of
flexibility they need in order to

1628
02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:40,960
provide a good 2027 budget process.
Thank you. Thanks very much.

1629
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:45,720
Okay. Uh, I'll just open the floor for
questions. Uh, Council Jison, please.

1630
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:55,120
Thank you, Mayor. Um,
CAO, I have a question about um uh and

1631
02:35:53,520 --> 02:36:01,280
I'm not sure you'll be able to answer
it, but like what could trigger an out

1632
02:35:56,960 --> 02:36:05,680
of uh cycle service review and um can
you confirm that council would still

1633
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:10,399
receive annual service plans and the
organizationwide staffing picture for

1634
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:15,439
every department?
>> I can confirm both of those. Um the

1635
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:20,399
intention is to show the overall FTE
count and any proposed changes to that.

1636
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:24,640
Any changes to the FTEES will require a
business case that will come in front of

1637
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:28,640
council. Um that is what Miss McClennon
had suggested was the exceptions. So

1638
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:33,359
those exceptions are anything over and
above with the existing FTE count that

1639
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:38,240
will be in each department so that
council can see that and determine if

1640
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:43,040
the appropriate service level is met.
We've taken council's feedback about the

1641
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:46,720
service review process being perhaps uh
somewhat arduous from what I've heard

1642
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:50,720
from council in the past and what we
want to do is provide this in a

1643
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:54,720
meaningful way. What Miss McClennon did
was provide an overall view which is

1644
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:58,319
what council had asked for in the
motion. What will the budget process

1645
02:36:56,399 --> 02:37:01,840
look like? That of course will be shaped
entirely by council. It is council's

1646
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:06,000
budget. So we want to make sure that
we're meeting what your expectations

1647
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:09,200
are. One of the things that we didn't
benefit from this year was the

1648
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:12,960
implementation of our new software,
Questica, and that's going to have a

1649
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:17,600
web-based component and it will be live
so people can track expenses as they're

1650
02:37:15,439 --> 02:37:21,439
put into the various budgets. And you
will see that um I've been part of an

1651
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:26,960
organization that switched over to the
Questica and it is quite a tool in terms

1652
02:37:24,080 --> 02:37:30,720
of on the fly showing where changes are,
what they've looked like. The rollout

1653
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:33,680
was intended to be for this year, but
from a staffing component, we just

1654
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:37,840
couldn't get that across the line. that
will be in conjunction with the budget

1655
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:41,920
process and we'll have that outline for
council's feedback, new council to make

1656
02:37:40,399 --> 02:37:45,680
sure that they're meeting we're meeting
the expectation of what council would

1657
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:49,120
like to see in the budget process. So,
think of this as here's the global

1658
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:52,720
overview of what it looks like and we'll
get into much more of the details when

1659
02:37:51,040 --> 02:38:01,359
the framework uh comes forward to
council with those budget um proposals.

1660
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:06,240
» Okay. Um, sorry, I just had one other um
once every four years kind of concerns

1661
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:11,439
me a bit. Um, you know, a budget problem
doesn't necessarily arrive as a new

1662
02:38:08,880 --> 02:38:16,319
initiative. Sometimes it's an existing
program um with staffing contracts or

1663
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:21,680
operating costs that have gradually
increased. So, is there a way to to

1664
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:25,200
manage that at the same time?
>> Absolutely. You know, one of the

1665
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:29,760
intentions behind this is getting public
engagement and sending a survey out.

1666
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:33,120
What do you think of these services? And
that will give council a framework to

1667
02:38:31,359 --> 02:38:37,520
see how the public is receiving the
service and whether or not the service

1668
02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:40,800
level is meeting expectations, whether
it's below or whether it's above. Those

1669
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:44,560
will be considerations for council
because that's council's feedback is the

1670
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:48,960
service levels. Are they appropriate for
the services we're we're providing. For

1671
02:38:47,359 --> 02:38:52,479
instance, this year we've had an issue
with Boulevard maintenance and it's one

1672
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:55,840
of our our number one complaints that
we've received. We're actioning that

1673
02:38:54,080 --> 02:39:00,000
outside of the budget process with what
we've got with our existing compliment.

1674
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:04,000
Having said that, our intention is to
bring forward those issues that have

1675
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:07,840
arisen in the year uh to bring some of
those service considerations for council

1676
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:13,280
for some of those areas that uh we need
to look at as well as uh the existing

1677
02:39:10,319 --> 02:39:16,800
services and value for money. Uh, I know
that that's what council is looking for

1678
02:39:14,720 --> 02:39:20,319
in the metrics and that new software
system is really going to help us

1679
02:39:18,319 --> 02:39:24,479
transform that budget process to be much
more inclusive and provide much more

1680
02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:28,399
detailed information to council and the
public for the ongoing operations for

1681
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:32,960
the tax dollars that people put into our
community.

1682
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:38,479
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um, I'm aware just because of

1683
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:44,880
how long I've been around the table that
eventually there's some big axes on the

1684
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:49,280
wall that tend to be looming larger in
certain years than others, but they're

1685
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:54,240
always going to be there, whether it's
police services, sewer services,

1686
02:39:52,640 --> 02:40:03,200
sometimes they're outside of our
control, and sometimes um they uh need

1687
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:07,600
uh greater perspective to keep bringing
the things that we tend to forget about

1688
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:14,399
all the time back to the forefront.
Remember that we need to uh set aside uh

1689
02:40:10,960 --> 02:40:21,120
funding for the day when the big changes
have to be made. Uh whether it's, you

1690
02:40:17,359 --> 02:40:26,960
know, new buildings, new equipment, uh
new infrastructure, it all gets very

1691
02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:32,080
hard to balance if they all show up at
the same time. So, uh, one thing that I

1692
02:40:30,319 --> 02:40:38,640
would like to see come back with our
budget process is to try to capture a

1693
02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:46,160
few of the accesses that are on the
wall, uh, each year uh, just to review

1694
02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:51,680
them and put them in perspective and
work towards our long-term plan for how

1695
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:59,520
we'll get there. Um, and that that's
just sort of the the one part of the the

1696
02:40:56,640 --> 02:41:05,200
review. uh plan that we have before us
that uh I feel needs to be fleshed out a

1697
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:11,120
little bit. There's and I know we've
talked about them, but um most of the

1698
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:16,880
time we've said, you know, we're running
as fast as we can. We can't get to that

1699
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:21,600
this year and uh until it absolutely
can't be avoided and then we're in it.

1700
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:28,160
We got to deal with it. So, I'm I'm
hoping that we will at least try to um

1701
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:33,439
identify those. so that we don't forget
about them as we get gleeful.

1702
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:36,880
» One of one of the intentions behind the
budget process is we have a number of

1703
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:41,520
master plans, those that have been
approved, those that are in process. And

1704
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:45,840
what we don't want to have is council
have to lift up all of these different

1705
02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:50,800
plans and cross reference and come back.
Our intention is to show what those uh

1706
02:41:48,720 --> 02:41:54,479
proposed amendments were to the master
plans that are adopted so that they get

1707
02:41:52,479 --> 02:41:58,560
wrapped into the budget process. But
also really important is our operational

1708
02:41:56,479 --> 02:42:01,920
plan which will say this is what we
intended to achieve this year. This is

1709
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:06,000
what we achieved and these are the
pieces that we weren't able to get to.

1710
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:08,960
You look at council's motion tracker as
well. There's a number of motions that

1711
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:13,680
are outstanding that we need to bring to
the forefront and those motions don't go

1712
02:42:11,359 --> 02:42:17,439
off into the ether per se but council
turns their attention to the ones that

1713
02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:21,680
are still outstanding that should form
part of that budget process. So the

1714
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:25,840
intention is to wrap the strategic plan,
the operational plan and the financial

1715
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:29,120
plan along with the survey of the
residents so council has a complete

1716
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:33,600
picture when you're looking at the
budget so you're not losing those pieces

1717
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:41,920
uh councelor day um that you've spoken
about here. Yeah, I think the the

1718
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:48,720
difficulty has been that uh um the a lot
of our planning is has been done uh what

1719
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:53,760
should our plan be for X Y or Zed and it
hasn't really put all those pieces

1720
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:57,760
together. So hopefully we get there, but
I think it's important if we plan for

1721
02:42:55,439 --> 02:43:01,240
it, we we'll we'll carve a little piece
off each year.

1722
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:07,680
» Um have you spoken already? Uh,
councelor Jordison.

1723
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:13,200
» Well, okay, I'll speak for the first
time. So, I I quickly talked to you

1724
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:19,520
about this uh Mr. Johnson uh before the
meeting and that's the the uh this what

1725
02:43:16,399 --> 02:43:25,760
came from a citizen great idea and that
is how we select which service to that

1726
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:29,760
we we review and that riskbased um uh
approach is a really good approach and

1727
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:35,120
I'll I'll just send you all the
criteria. uh uh I came up with my own

1728
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:39,200
and some were suggested to me. So that's
one thing that I I think that we need to

1729
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:45,359
have. The second thing is given the
affordability pressures right now um you

1730
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:52,000
know I think we need to have um specific
a specific process for identifying

1731
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:57,359
savings or and prioritizing services
before we start asking t taxpayers for

1732
02:43:54,960 --> 02:44:01,279
additional revenue. So I think that's
important. That's the second thing. And

1733
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:06,240
the last thing is my biggest B in my
bonnet. And yes, I'm sorry I came from

1734
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:11,439
the private world, but the the way that
we do budgeting is just ass backwards to

1735
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:17,120
me. We we look at all our costs and then
we then we start matching revenues to it

1736
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:21,359
and start tax increases. But I think uh
that the starting place that we have to

1737
02:44:18,880 --> 02:44:26,640
start at is we have a good idea what our
NCT is, our new construction taxes are.

1738
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:31,279
We know what the previous taxes are. You
put inflation in there. you know, we can

1739
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:37,359
come up with a fairly
plus or minus 5 10% of what that revenue

1740
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:41,520
is going to be. And and the reason why I
think we have to look at it from that

1741
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:47,040
side of the fence instead of going with
cost, it happens to us every year here.

1742
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:52,560
And it's not just here, it's every
council. It's the CRD. We all look at

1743
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:56,319
everybody wants this, they want that,
everyone's got a pet project. And then

1744
02:44:54,720 --> 02:45:00,720
the bill comes in at the end of the year
and then the staff look at us and go,

1745
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:05,520
"Well, you guys approved it all. So,
what do you want us to do?" So, that's

1746
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:08,960
not fair to you. Like, it's not fair
because then we're going back. Well,

1747
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:16,240
we'll cut it, you know, like uh don't
ask us and and but yet we approved it

1748
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:21,359
because it's so easy to approve things
peacemeal because you don't understand

1749
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:25,279
what the impact is to to your revenues.
So I think you have we have to start

1750
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:30,000
thinking differently. I'd like to get
that other different thinking cap on.

1751
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:34,560
This is what our revenues are and if we
want to stay in there within within that

1752
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:39,359
and keep taxes low, you know, we try to
match costs as we go along and we can

1753
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:44,399
still do single single approvals but
we'll understand the impacts as we're

1754
02:45:41,200 --> 02:45:51,040
going along. So I'd like that approach.
I totally I'd like to flip the pyramid

1755
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:55,120
the way that we think and because It
happens every time, every year. And we

1756
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:59,680
we look at each other and we say the
same darn thing. Geez, I wish did it

1757
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:03,359
differently.
But it's the way that's embedded in

1758
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:08,479
municipal government right now. That's
how they do things. So, and if there is

1759
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:11,920
if there is going to we're going to be
asking for tax increases, at least we'll

1760
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:15,439
consciously know what we're going to be
doing. We don't have to worry about

1761
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:20,880
after the fact and say, "H how are we
going to message this?" You know, we'll

1762
02:46:17,279 --> 02:46:25,200
know right up front. So go ahead Jason.
>> Thank you. and and part of uh the

1763
02:46:23,279 --> 02:46:28,399
mandate that council has given to me was
look at how do how do we rationalize

1764
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:33,040
some of the services we've done and
we've done that uh throughout this year

1765
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:36,800
and that will be reflected in the
upcoming budget to show where that

1766
02:46:34,880 --> 02:46:41,359
rationalization of services has happened
but

1767
02:46:39,439 --> 02:46:44,399
we live by the ethos of better is
possible in everything that we do and

1768
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:49,680
there's better work that can be done
here and what Miss McClennon has

1769
02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:52,640
outlined I think is a is a good process
good improvements

1770
02:46:50,960 --> 02:46:57,040
That's not to say that this is the
panacea to solving them all at this

1771
02:46:54,399 --> 02:47:01,120
point, but council will provide
direction to staff to ensure that we're

1772
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:05,680
meeting what your expectations are. And
the intention of this report was to say

1773
02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:09,040
this is the framework and what are some
of the other value ads that council

1774
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:12,399
would like to see and we'll take under
those under advisement and bring those

1775
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:18,920
forward to council through the budget
process. Okay.

1776
02:47:14,479 --> 02:47:18,920
Um, councelor Jordison.

1777
02:47:20,319 --> 02:47:27,439
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, just further to um
what the mayor said, I I think uh we

1778
02:47:25,920 --> 02:47:32,000
need to I think council needs to
establish what affordability means and

1779
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:35,920
um like where in these guiding
principles does affordability for the

1780
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:41,200
taxpayer sit? And I guess what I'm
trying to say is I I think council needs

1781
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:45,600
to decide um or provide direction about
the tax increase council considers

1782
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:51,359
acceptable before the draft budget is
even constructed. And then um in and

1783
02:47:49,359 --> 02:47:56,240
then the same thing before considering
new initiatives. council um should be

1784
02:47:54,319 --> 02:48:01,359
shown the projected tax increase
requires um to maintain existing service

1785
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:06,880
levels and then from there we can
establish existing services and new

1786
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:10,880
staffing, new initiatives and the
capital and debt and and that sort of

1787
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:15,439
thing. So I think I think that just
makes it more transparent. So that was

1788
02:48:13,439 --> 02:48:19,520
just my comment. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

1789
02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:22,920
uh my
concert day.

1790
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:31,120
» I'll be very quick because I know it is
my second time speaking to this item,

1791
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:35,680
but I've been asked in previous years to
decide before I've seen anything

1792
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:39,760
what
percentage tax increase I would find

1793
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:46,160
tolerable.
And I can't do that. I need to know what

1794
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:51,279
it's going to cost to keep the lights on
and the car running and the rain from

1795
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:58,560
coming through the roof. I don't want to
know, you know, what pet projects we can

1796
02:48:54,880 --> 02:49:06,880
afford to do. Um so I I think we need to
start with that baseline first of all.

1797
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:13,600
uh just what is the what is the smallest
um for the for the core services to

1798
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:17,520
continue to exist and then work our
magic from there. Thank you.

1799
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:22,880
» Thank you very much. We're all singing
from the same song sheet here. So, um I

1800
02:49:21,040 --> 02:49:28,720
I know with the motion that's been
recommended, but we want to make some

1801
02:49:25,680 --> 02:49:32,720
alterations. Can Can we do this? How how
do you suggest we do this, Mr. Mr.

1802
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:35,840
Johnson? This is just the overview
report. Council will have the

1803
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:40,479
opportunity to shape the process in
another uh upcoming meeting where we'll

1804
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:43,359
say here's here's the process. What's
your expectation with more details than

1805
02:49:42,319 --> 02:49:50,200
what you see here today?
>> Okay. Because the motion is to endorse.

1806
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:50,200
So I'm just

1807
02:49:50,399 --> 02:49:58,720
wait. It's to endorse the approach
and we've we've heard council's feedback

1808
02:49:56,640 --> 02:50:03,920
and we'll come back with amendments to
that.

1809
02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:08,479
So, we don't need a motion then right at
this point in time. Okay, that's great.

1810
02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:14,960
Um, well, that's great. Thank you. I
appreciate that. So, the uh I'll move on

1811
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:19,760
to uh uh we added 8.6 which is the age
friendly community plan review

1812
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:23,160
engagement strategy. Um over to you
councelor day.

1813
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:37,359
» Thank you. Uh, I just wanted to speak to
the age friendly plan because I I feel

1814
02:50:33,200 --> 02:50:42,240
that we're at risk of having the same uh
rinse and repeat happen here, which is

1815
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:47,680
that we go to a great deal of trouble.
We engage a bunch of people to get

1816
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:54,240
information and feedback and then we put
the plan back on the shelf and nothing

1817
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:59,920
happens with it. So, my big bright idea
uh was not huge. It's a small ask and

1818
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:08,560
I'm asking that it come back at the
budget time to uh use that building of

1819
02:51:04,240 --> 02:51:16,319
the age friendly plan to jump off and
engage with people and then have in our

1820
02:51:11,840 --> 02:51:21,600
budget one or $2,000 for a capital
project to support the age friendly

1821
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:28,319
plan. I don't know if it's going to be a
bench, a picnic table, an event where

1822
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:32,560
there's intergenerational
participation,

1823
02:51:29,840 --> 02:51:38,240
but and I'm not asking for you to decide
what that number is now, but I'm saying

1824
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:42,960
it makes a lot of sense if you're going
to go to all this trouble to engage your

1825
02:51:40,319 --> 02:51:48,640
public and talk about what they need and
try to make things better in our

1826
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:54,000
community for our age in place. um
intergenerational

1827
02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:59,040
uh awareness. Uh let's put some money
with that so that uh at least for the

1828
02:51:56,800 --> 02:52:04,640
effort uh people feel they got something
out of it. Thank you.

1829
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:08,880
» Thank you very much Jordan.
Sorry.

1830
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:14,560
» Thank you, mayor. I just wanted to um I
guess I was just concerned that again um

1831
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:18,160
following what councelor Day said that
it might just be the kind of same

1832
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:24,000
document and I just want to make sure
that we don't inadvertently define age

1833
02:52:20,560 --> 02:52:28,960
friendly primarily through um an active
transportation lens. Um you know for an

1834
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:34,800
80 or 90 year old resident being age
friendly may mean just a a bench halfway

1835
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:39,520
up the hill or accessible parking or a
washroom close by. Um, so I think the

1836
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:43,680
success of this review isn't going to be
whether we produce a good age friendly

1837
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:47,760
community plan, but whether an older
resident can eventually point to

1838
02:52:45,200 --> 02:52:52,399
something and call that and and say that
that made it easier for me to continue

1839
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:58,479
living in my community. Um, but I really
do appreciate what's been brought

1840
02:52:53,840 --> 02:53:02,880
forward and um and uh I just uh I I hope
we're gonna figure out a way to maybe

1841
02:53:00,479 --> 02:53:09,680
reach the senior who isn't so connected
to um like Charleum or Wandafuca uh

1842
02:53:07,040 --> 02:53:14,800
senior society or community
organization. Um so like I'm thinking

1843
02:53:12,479 --> 02:53:18,720
like a person that is aging alone in
their own home and someone who doesn't

1844
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:24,880
use social media or a person that
doesn't drive. um that that those make

1845
02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:29,920
um actually those are probably some of
the the people whose experiences we need

1846
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:34,960
to understand the most, right? But I I
really appreciate that um you're

1847
02:53:31,600 --> 02:53:38,560
involving the the younger generation. Um
I think that's a really cool idea. So

1848
02:53:37,359 --> 02:53:43,840
thank you so much.
>> Thank you very much. Okay. Uh that was

1849
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:50,080
just receipt anyway. So I'm going to
move on uh to number nine, which thank

1850
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:55,120
you very much for the input.
U councelor Jordison and councelor D on

1851
02:53:52,399 --> 02:54:01,279
that. Very uh important points that
you've made. Um let's go to uh section 9

1852
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:06,080
bylaws uh proposed development permit
delegation bylaw. Um Mr. Johnson, I

1853
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:10,240
guess that that report is pretty
self-explanatory.

1854
02:54:07,680 --> 02:54:16,240
There is an exception though that uh I
I'd like to make to this. That's uh 1764

1855
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:24,399
Island Highway. We want to change that
to to u council approval authority.

1856
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:30,319
Um any other comments uh council on the
on the report?

1857
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:36,560
Uh councelor Jordison, please.
>> Uh thank you, Mayor. I've actually found

1858
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:41,600
some inconsistencies in this and um
uh yeah, I just wanted to bring them

1859
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:49,439
forward here. Just um let me see where
they are.

1860
02:54:44,399 --> 02:54:52,560
Uh so there's a an AB section um what is
it in the bylaw? It's actually in the

1861
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:57,399
bylaw.
Um and it says that um

1862
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:05,840
um master plan community means um lands
that are subject to an area plan and it

1863
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:10,640
like it has an A and B section and then
it says uh for the purpose of this bylaw

1864
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:16,399
the following are designated as master
plan communities. the one, two, three.

1865
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:21,120
But then it says, "Council may bylaw
amendment designate additional areas as

1866
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:26,640
master planned communities where the
agreement where the requirements of

1867
02:55:23,359 --> 02:55:32,800
paragraphs A and B have been satisfied."
And I I guess I can understand that for

1868
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:37,520
A, but B is have been designated by
council by bylaw as a master plan

1869
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:40,880
community for the purpose of this bylaw.
So feel I feel like we're just doing

1870
02:55:39,040 --> 02:55:47,359
like that circle thing. So it may be
just a a miss. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for

1871
02:55:45,439 --> 02:55:52,560
very much for the question. So it would
be an amending bylaw. So a bylaw

1872
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:56,600
amendment to add a new master plan
community to this bylaw.

1873
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:06,240
Okay. Um Okay. So bylaw amendment. Okay.
That makes sense. Um what's the other

1874
02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:11,439
one here? Sorry, there was one other
one.

1875
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:19,520
Uh
the four uh unit threshold um has an odd

1876
02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:22,960
integration with the moratorum. Um the
report notes that council has already

1877
02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:27,600
directed a moratorium on form of
character permits for developments for

1878
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:34,080
four units or fewer although the four
unit threshold remains in the delegation

1879
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:38,880
bylaw. That's the other question I had.
Yeah, thank you for the question. And so

1880
02:56:35,760 --> 02:56:44,880
the four units really is a delegated
authority threshold. Um so we had to

1881
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:49,600
develop that threshold of four units to
be clear that developments of more than

1882
02:56:47,120 --> 02:56:55,439
four units would require approval from
council. So it's simply just a threshold

1883
02:56:52,319 --> 02:57:00,800
only. Um as you mentioned developments
of four units or less um currently have

1884
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:05,680
a moratorum placed on the requirement
for a form and character development

1885
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:10,399
permit. Um I would add for those
developments if they fall within an

1886
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:15,680
environmental or hazard development
permit area they would still require

1887
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:18,720
that development. That moratorum is only
for form and character development

1888
02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:23,000
permits.
>> Okay. Thank you for the explanation.

1889
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:32,160
» Any other uh questions?
Um, can I get a motion to for the

1890
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:37,920
recommendation with the with the
exception of the change of 1764 island

1891
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:43,200
being changed to council approval
authority.

1892
02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:49,359
Okay. Thank you
councelor Olsen and councelor uh board

1893
02:57:47,439 --> 02:57:54,000
discussion.
Not seeing any further discussion. I'll

1894
02:57:51,439 --> 02:57:56,960
call the question. Any opposed? Seeing
none, motion carries. Thank you very

1895
02:57:55,520 --> 02:58:04,840
much.
Uh 9.2 is don't have to deal with now.

1896
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:04,840
And

1897
02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:17,560
we are at um

1898
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:22,880
9.3.
Okay. Um over to the corporate officer,

1899
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:29,680
please.
>> Thank you, Rorup. It is Callwood land

1900
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:37,279
use bylaw number 151 1989 amendment 227
Schmoo uh bylaw 2091 2025 for adoption.

1901
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:41,760
» Motion please. Thank you. Uh councelor
uh Jensen and councelor Olen. Uh

1902
02:58:40,160 --> 02:58:46,560
discussion.
Um call the question. Any opposed?

1903
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:52,240
Seeing none, motion carries. Next one
please. 94

1904
02:58:48,240 --> 02:59:00,000
» CO land use bylaw number 151989
amendment 233 CD45 uh for 221 Goldfinch

1905
02:58:57,600 --> 02:59:06,399
Road and this is for adoption.
>> Okay. Um thank you council Ward. Second

1906
02:59:03,279 --> 02:59:11,680
council Jensen discussion call the
question. Any opposed?

1907
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:15,680
Seeing none motion carries. Next please.
Sewer local area service enlargement

1908
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:19,359
amendment bylaws going for first,
second, and third reading. Callwood

1909
02:59:17,359 --> 02:59:23,600
central sewer local area service
establishment and loan authorization

1910
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:29,760
bylaw 480
uh for L enlargement for 605 Hulser

1911
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:35,040
Drive and CO main seal area
establishment and loan authorization

1912
02:59:31,760 --> 02:59:39,240
bylaw. Uh that is for L enlargement for
605 Hulser Drive.

1913
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:47,479
» Okay. Uh Uh, Council Grove. Second,
please. Uh, councelor Jordison.

1914
02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:55,120
Discussion, please. Seeing no
discussion, call the question. Any

1915
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:59,160
opposed?
Seeing none, motion carries.

1916
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:09,840
And the last one, please.
>> Sewer local area service enlargement

1917
03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:15,120
amendment bylaws. All going for
adoption. Uh, Callwood Main Sewer local

1918
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:21,680
area service establishment and loan
authorization bylaw for 3110 Wishart

1919
03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:26,560
Road. Cowwood main sewer local area
service establishment and loan

1920
03:00:22,880 --> 03:00:31,279
authorization bylaw for 3155 Wood Park
Drive and Cowwood Main Sewer local area

1921
03:00:29,840 --> 03:00:36,479
service establishment and loan
authorization bylaw for 3112

1922
03:00:34,560 --> 03:00:44,640
Wood Park Drive.
>> Okay. Uh same same mover and then uh

1923
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:50,479
seconder Grove and Jordison discussion.
Seeing none question any opposed seeing

1924
03:00:47,359 --> 03:00:57,680
none. Motion carries. And before I move
into camera, I want to take this

1925
03:00:53,279 --> 03:01:04,800
opportunity right now to say a very very
fond farewell to our fire chief, Brian

1926
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:09,760
Irwin. Brian, thank you for your many
years service here in the city of

1927
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:13,760
Collwood. Uh Brian, uh for those that
don't know, he's decided to go to the

1928
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:20,479
dark side.
Am I allowed to say that? Uh no, I mean,

1929
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:26,399
I just want to thank you, uh Brian, just
on behalf of the entire city and uh all

1930
03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:32,640
all the all the citizens. You've served
this community so so so well. I'm going

1931
03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:37,279
to personally miss you. Uh you're you're
one of those uh guys that I can I can

1932
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:43,600
have a coffee with in the noble from
you. You get the honest uh absolutely

1933
03:01:40,399 --> 03:01:47,840
honest uh stuff from you. So I just want
to take this opportunity, Brian, because

1934
03:01:45,279 --> 03:01:52,800
I understand um you're not you're not
going till the end. What

1935
03:01:51,279 --> 03:01:57,439
you won't be fit here for the next
meeting. So I thought I'd take this

1936
03:01:54,640 --> 03:02:01,439
opportunity at this point in time. Um, I
should have probably done it under

1937
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:06,560
mayor's message to to thank you so much
and uh we do wish you all the best and

1938
03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:11,200
I'm confident you're going to just do so
well. You'll probably be the fire chief

1939
03:02:08,479 --> 03:02:15,760
over there next. He goes, "No thanks. No
fire chief."

1940
03:02:13,439 --> 03:02:20,080
Anyways, again, uh Brian, uh thank you
to you and and your entire family. Got

1941
03:02:18,080 --> 03:02:25,720
the opportunity to meet your family and
uh it's uh it's been a real pleasure to

1942
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:25,720
have you.

1943
03:02:31,520 --> 03:02:37,680
And I'm sure we're going to be doing
something here formally uh you know

1944
03:02:35,359 --> 03:02:42,279
within the city. So uh this won't be the
last of it. Thank you.

1945
03:02:43,120 --> 03:02:48,840
Okay. Can we get the motion for to go in
camera please?

1946
03:02:49,359 --> 03:03:00,520
Thank you very much. Second. Thank you
Jordison. Seconder discussion

1947
03:02:55,200 --> 03:03:00,520
seeing none uh motion carries.