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>>> good evening.

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this is the march

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19th meeting of the planning and zoning

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commission. The time is 6:00. Our

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first order of business is to

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recess into work session while we

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review

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the cases and then we'll come out

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before you as a reconveneience of

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the general session at 6:30. So

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with that, I'll adjourn into the work session.

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>>> the

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time is

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04, and we are convening into the

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work session. We'll

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start with chairman edmund

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haas and vice chair sue

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blankenship.

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>> present. >> ed maurer

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will

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be away today.

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john dobmeier, and

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kent hafemann.

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did I get it right?

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>> present. ?

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samit patel is not here. I understand

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he's on the way, but

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he's not here yet and cindy bishop.

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is she on the line?

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>> she'll be joining

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us virtually. Okay, mary, if you would

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introduce staff and then we'll

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read the

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cases? ? Sure. Senior

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planner, matt

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steer services administrator. [ inaudible ]

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she's a

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full engineer. He's graduated. Yeah.

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city attorney

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bob hager and miss katie mcgee, our secretary.

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>> all right.

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>> what do we have tonight?

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>> sure. So I'll

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let matt start.

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>> okay.

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yeah. Item number 6 is

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the benge legacy addition. They're

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basically demoing residents on southwestern

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slated for light industrial, zoned

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for light industrial. They're coming

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in with a light

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industrial style building. It's an

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office warehouse. 4900 square feet and

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they're meeting all of the requirements

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and it's straight site plan approval.

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so not much to.

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>> wow. >> okay. >> that's weird.

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>> is this one of those that used to

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be residential and it's just been

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hanging out there

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for a long time?

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>> correct. And the next case is the minor

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plat for that property, and in order

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get a building permit they need to

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know

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it's platted. [ inaudible ]

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>> that

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was a very --

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no.

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>> just checking. >>

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and then mary's got the next.

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>> saving

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that

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for me. So

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item number 8 is --

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takes place at 145 west town center.

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it

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used to be a children's

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courtyard. So it's one lot, two buildings

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and two

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children's courtyards. One is there still.

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the one on the west end is proposed

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to convert to a doggie

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daycare center essentially and we'll

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convert it to play grounds and convert

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the inside to play areas,

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grooming areas as well as kennelling

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overnight stays. So

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we'll have up

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to 71.

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any comparison

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with what camp bow wow had? No?

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that's all right. So we are

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asking them to --there are chain

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link fences right now like on the

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north and

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south sides. So we're asking them

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because they were just going to keep

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it and then replace,

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like, the vinyl or the fabric mesh

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stuff that goes on there. We told

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them

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we want to see more fence. So I think

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they'll keep the chain link, but put

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a board on

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board fence on the south side, and on

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the west end there is

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an existing break wall. So that will

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remain and

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the building will act as the other

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screen on the east.

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so they share a parking lot. They share

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parking. There are about 57 --

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55 parking spaces. They're

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going to share a dumpster,

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the proposal assigned which complies.

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landscaping, no real changes other than

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them to go through and show them the

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original landscape plan just to go

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through and see if,

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you know, over time stuff dies to

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back in other places and

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that is the condition. This one is

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one of the itemsitems where we did get

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a petition from neighbors

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who are in opposition of it.

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want me to pass these down?

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I've made, like, a summary of the names

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their concerns.

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essentially it's noise, traffic,

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odor, sanitation, quality of life,

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decrease in

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property values, and I have the actual

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ones here if you guys want to take

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>> so traffic --their concern

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is more traffic over a day care?

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>> that's yours.

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addressesaddresses within the

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200 beats. So there should

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be a checklist there that show you

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feet or the 800 feet. So the orange,

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if they sign

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a petition and then the red

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200 feet. Sorry.

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but a 200-foot column

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and they signed the petition and sent

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him a letter and I tried toto check of

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the boxes there. There

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were some additional petitions, but

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they just sent me, like, you

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they send someone an email and it's

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expand it and it's pixelated

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and that's what I got. I got a hold

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of someone who will send me the

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actual papers because

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I couldn't read.

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something. That's usually what happens when

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conditions, the only condition was

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landscaping

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on our side.

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one thing you may want to ask is

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of time --

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operation time and time when you have

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the dogs outside

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so they don't go --you know, up

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to midnight. And how they deal with waste.

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so there is a dumpster and they plan

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empty it.

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diapers, right? I know camp bow wow,

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think they're open until 7:00 and

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dogtopia is open until 10:00.

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said I --[ inaudible ]

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there's another one right up here.

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at 7:00. That might be this. Dog day out.

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dog's day out? Something like that.

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right up here by all

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the liquor stores. [ laughter ]

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door to the liquor store? You know

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that area well.

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>> I do, indeed. >> he's got a dog

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>> they're the only ones

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that can cut my

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dog's nails. I won't do it.

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on behind? There's a

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residential neighborhood. Right

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behind it, what is that in is that

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oversized garage? Is that part of

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that same lot?

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that tied to that one

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residential lot? I couldn't tell if it

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drove it. It would be right over

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here. It would be right this structure

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there because this is the house. At

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first I thought it

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kind of lift station or something.

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think it's just a big wall for

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a house because on the --

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>> I'll pull it up. You guys move

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on or

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go on.

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>> it's just a house.

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a big lot.

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>> yeah. There's a house

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and an oversized garage there or something.

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>> okay. So I'm going to keep

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trucking along here.

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next item is item 9,

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samaritan's purse.

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>> on the last

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one, did you guys want to

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do that one first or no?

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>> gotcha. >> so item 9

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is samaritan's purse, back in 2018,

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if you recall, they bought

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a piece of

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land from fellowship church and

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constructed an office warehouse building.

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so essentially

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they use that their main --like

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in november when they have people

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come in and they

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do the boxes that they hand out and distribute.

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so since then, they've

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been looking for an

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areaarea build for their I.t.

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people. So we've been working

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withwith and what they're proposing

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is they're going to

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take out a piece of the parking lot

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north, build a three-story building

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then they're buying a portion of

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land to the south that's just in front of

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the

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gas wall and make up for the parking

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they're taking out. So it will

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be a

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three-story, first floor

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for, like,

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for staff. The large break room, staff

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devotions, guest training and second

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floor for their

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I.t. People and the third floor is

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for

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future growth. So the building will

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be

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mainly brick. Two different

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types with some stucco.

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they're showing a sign on the building,

307
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but that's

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for illustrative purposes.

309
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>> stucco --

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20%?

311
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>> that's

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an old --[ inaudible ] [ laughter ]

313
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>> we used

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to do that. Efis?

315
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we're not doing efis here.

316
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>> like I said they're taking trees

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out for the south

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and they are asking for a waiver of

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the

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tree fees and that will be going to

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city council

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as

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part of their

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dus correction. Discussion.

325
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>> based

326
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on what?

327
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>> because they're

328
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good samaritans. Because they're

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nonprofit. I've done the christmas boxes.

330
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we've

331
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been doing it for the last five years.

332
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it is an

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incredible event. It really is.

334
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>> there

335
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are people from all

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over the country.

337
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>> it

338
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doesn't mean they can't comply with

339
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our

340
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requirements.

341
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>> that's something council can

342
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look at. Council

343
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did not approve the permit the last

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time when they

345
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built the

346
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building.

347
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>> how much are their fees?

348
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we are

349
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still working on that and somewhere in the

350
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range of

351
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200,000. Somewhere

352
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around there. We're still finalizing

353
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numbers. So the

354
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building --they're building the new

355
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building and they'll have a

356
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little outdoor area with a pergola and that's

357
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what they're planning on doing.

358
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there were no letters

359
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in opposition. So it's pretty standard

360
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comments, additional

361
00:14:04,611 --> 00:14:06,611
comments

362
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for review.

363
00:14:10,617 --> 00:14:12,617
these

364
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the project plant --we are

365
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requesting for staff to administratively

366
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approve any change in landscaping,

367
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because there is

368
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a big 30-foot gas easement that

369
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runs along the creek view, just if

370
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we need

371
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to maneuver and get the trees on the

372
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outside

373
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of that easement. One other thing is

374
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they did turn in some information for

375
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the

376
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downstream drainage.

377
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so they're still working with coal

378
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on finalizing those documents.

379
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>> is there a concern? [ inaudible ]

380
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>> okay.

381
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>> the outside is related

382
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to how the calculations were

383
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for --not related to this project

384
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and it's related to another

385
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one. There is a

386
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required percentage of site for

387
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green space, but then the required

388
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number of trees they've

389
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calculated based on what

390
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is required of the site not of what

391
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they've actually provided and I've

392
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always

393
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understood that it's

394
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10% --or 1x% of

395
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whatever is provided and not necessarily what

396
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is

397
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originally required of this site if

398
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that

399
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makes sense? So the site required,

400
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and

401
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,618
I'm just pulling numbers, 400 square

402
00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:55,589
feet of green space.

403
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>> is that non-

404
00:15:56,590 --> 00:15:58,590
vehicular landscaping?

405
00:15:58,592 --> 00:15:59,593
>> non-vehicular landscaping. >> okay.

406
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and only

407
00:16:02,596 --> 00:16:04,996
two trees were required

408
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based on that 4 00, but

409
00:16:08,602 --> 00:16:10,602
they've actually provided

410
00:16:11,605 --> 00:16:13,605
2400 square feet, falling

411
00:16:14,608 --> 00:16:17,608
back to only two were

412
00:16:17,611 --> 00:16:19,611
required because that's

413
00:16:20,614 --> 00:16:22,616
what's required of the 4 00, but I

414
00:16:22,616 --> 00:16:23,617
forget what the percentage is and it's

415
00:16:23,617 --> 00:16:25,617
not calculated from

416
00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:27,621
the 24.

417
00:16:27,621 --> 00:16:30,210
>> what case are you

418
00:16:32,593 --> 00:16:33,594
referring to?

419
00:16:33,594 --> 00:16:35,594
>>

420
00:16:35,596 --> 00:16:37,596
the

421
00:16:38,599 --> 00:16:40,599
samaritan's purse --

422
00:16:41,602 --> 00:16:42,603
>> sorry.

423
00:16:42,603 --> 00:16:44,605
>> sorry I'm late, but a procedural

424
00:16:44,605 --> 00:16:46,605
question, and again,

425
00:16:46,607 --> 00:16:47,608
I don't know if I should ask it in here

426
00:16:47,608 --> 00:16:49,608
or out there

427
00:16:50,611 --> 00:16:53,110
how it's calculated. I've

428
00:16:53,614 --> 00:16:55,616
always done it that if I'm

429
00:16:55,616 --> 00:16:56,617
provided 2400 --

430
00:16:56,617 --> 00:16:57,618
>> we can double-

431
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check any just make sure,

432
00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:01,622
you know? I'll pull up the

433
00:17:01,622 --> 00:17:02,589
landscape summary table and they were

434
00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:04,589
willing to

435
00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:05,592
add some additional landscaping right next to

436
00:17:05,592 --> 00:17:07,592
the building

437
00:17:08,595 --> 00:17:09,596
which qualifies non-vehicular

438
00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:11,598
landscaping, and they were still working

439
00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:12,599
through whether or not to pave that

440
00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,601
area where the generator was going to

441
00:17:14,601 --> 00:17:16,601
be

442
00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:17,604
located.

443
00:17:17,604 --> 00:17:18,605
>> yeah. >> so I think that's

444
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where they can provide that.

445
00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:20,607
>> yeah. We'll take another look.

446
00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:22,607
>> yeah. No worries.

447
00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:25,610
so

448
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item 10 is essentially the plat for

449
00:17:26,613 --> 00:17:28,613
that

450
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where they're

451
00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:32,619
taking that bit to the south adding to

452
00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:33,620
the existing lot and

453
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:39,620
then platting the rest of it as a separate lot.

454
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and then

455
00:17:44,598 --> 00:17:45,599
item 11?

456
00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:46,600
>> okay. So that's the

457
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,601
767 west main. That's the mixed use

458
00:17:47,601 --> 00:17:49,601
development down

459
00:17:50,604 --> 00:17:52,606
in old town right across the

460
00:17:52,606 --> 00:17:53,607
street from the old town plaza, the

461
00:17:53,607 --> 00:17:55,607
open

462
00:17:56,610 --> 00:17:58,610
space down there.

463
00:17:59,613 --> 00:18:01,613
so

464
00:18:02,616 --> 00:18:04,618
in august 2022 we approved

465
00:18:04,618 --> 00:18:07,621
the mixed-use project that had residential on the

466
00:18:07,621 --> 00:18:11,592
second floor and then retail on the

467
00:18:11,592 --> 00:18:13,992
first floor. They came

468
00:18:14,595 --> 00:18:17,598
back in 2023. You guys remember the

469
00:18:17,598 --> 00:18:20,601
dumpster case where it was too close?

470
00:18:20,601 --> 00:18:22,603
>> yeah. >> well, so they

471
00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:23,604
added restaurant uses to be allowed on

472
00:18:23,604 --> 00:18:24,605
the

473
00:18:24,605 --> 00:18:26,607
first floor. So what they're doing

474
00:18:26,607 --> 00:18:29,607
this time is they're coming

475
00:18:29,610 --> 00:18:31,612
back and they haven't been

476
00:18:31,612 --> 00:18:32,613
successful marketing to a restaurant

477
00:18:32,613 --> 00:18:34,613
or retail users

478
00:18:34,615 --> 00:18:35,616
and they're proposing professional

479
00:18:35,616 --> 00:18:38,160
office or medical office

480
00:18:38,619 --> 00:18:40,619
uses, and

481
00:18:41,622 --> 00:18:44,220
so in order to

482
00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:47,591
create an active, old town

483
00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:50,597
main street area down there we

484
00:18:50,597 --> 00:18:51,598
need retail or restaurant uses that

485
00:18:51,598 --> 00:18:53,598
are

486
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:54,601
open in the evenings and on the weekends,

487
00:18:54,601 --> 00:18:56,601
and

488
00:18:56,603 --> 00:18:59,606
this, if they do medical office

489
00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:02,606
or professional office probably wouldn't

490
00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:05,609
be, and so --you know,

491
00:19:05,612 --> 00:19:07,612
our recommendation is

492
00:19:08,615 --> 00:19:11,150
for denial. So --

493
00:19:11,618 --> 00:19:14,180
that's what it is.

494
00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:15,589
>> is there a requirement around the

495
00:19:15,589 --> 00:19:17,589
retail to

496
00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:18,592
be open? Like the farmers market is

497
00:19:18,592 --> 00:19:20,592
open

498
00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:22,594
saturday

499
00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:25,597
morning

500
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,600
and --

501
00:19:29,603 --> 00:19:31,605
we've not stipulated hours

502
00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:32,606
of operation for those businesses.

503
00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:34,606
>> it seems like

504
00:19:35,609 --> 00:19:36,610
a missed opportunity.

505
00:19:36,610 --> 00:19:40,210
>> here's the letter requesting the rezoning.

506
00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:46,618
so,

507
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:50,591
anyway, that's what it is. You don't have

508
00:19:50,591 --> 00:19:52,591
to

509
00:19:53,594 --> 00:19:54,595
approve it. So --

510
00:19:54,595 --> 00:19:55,596
>>

511
00:19:55,596 --> 00:19:56,597
question, though. If a professional

512
00:19:56,597 --> 00:19:58,597
office or medical

513
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,000
office were allowed to

514
00:20:02,603 --> 00:20:03,604
go in, the parking requirement is stricter.

515
00:20:03,604 --> 00:20:05,604
>>

516
00:20:05,606 --> 00:20:08,606
no, it's not stricter because

517
00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:11,900
it's already platted for

518
00:20:11,612 --> 00:20:12,613
restaurant.

519
00:20:12,613 --> 00:20:14,615
>> one to one for medical

520
00:20:14,615 --> 00:20:15,616
office.

521
00:20:15,616 --> 00:20:16,617
>> okay. >> so, yeah, we did

522
00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:17,618
look

523
00:20:17,618 --> 00:20:18,619
through that. It's just the argument's

524
00:20:18,619 --> 00:20:20,621
going to be is

525
00:20:20,621 --> 00:20:22,589
the other

526
00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:23,590
uses around this property are changing,

527
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:25,590
right?

528
00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:29,596
so we've had summer which changed

529
00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:32,599
to dodi's which was restaurant use

530
00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:33,600
which then changed to tangerine salon which

531
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,600
is a

532
00:20:36,603 --> 00:20:39,603
personal service or kind of

533
00:20:39,606 --> 00:20:40,607
a retail type --but

534
00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:42,609
then the property to the south of

535
00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:44,611
her is just a professional

536
00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:45,612
office that is probably only open on

537
00:20:45,612 --> 00:20:47,612
the

538
00:20:48,615 --> 00:20:51,615
weekdays from 8:00 to 5:00 and it's

539
00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:52,619
an investment --money

540
00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:54,621
matters, I think, is the name of it.

541
00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:56,590
then there's

542
00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:57,591
another business on that same size

543
00:20:57,591 --> 00:20:59,591
are side.

544
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:03,594
>> a cupcake place -->> cupcake

545
00:21:03,597 --> 00:21:04,598
is in her --

546
00:21:04,598 --> 00:21:06,598
>> space.

547
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600
>> the arts and

548
00:21:09,603 --> 00:21:10,604
cakery and

549
00:21:10,604 --> 00:21:12,606
then shine directly in the building

550
00:21:12,606 --> 00:21:13,607
north and that's

551
00:21:13,607 --> 00:21:15,609
a mixed-use development so that's

552
00:21:15,609 --> 00:21:17,611
retail and them north of that

553
00:21:17,611 --> 00:21:19,613
is another financial place which is

554
00:21:19,613 --> 00:21:21,615
a professional office. So I think

555
00:21:21,615 --> 00:21:23,615
the argument's going

556
00:21:23,617 --> 00:21:24,618
to be these other people are changing,

557
00:21:24,618 --> 00:21:26,618
why

558
00:21:27,621 --> 00:21:29,590
won't you let me? And so, specifically,

559
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:30,591
when we wrote this mixed use development

560
00:21:30,591 --> 00:21:32,591
we wanted

561
00:21:33,594 --> 00:21:35,596
to activate the area. So we

562
00:21:35,596 --> 00:21:38,599
wrote retail on the first floor. So

563
00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:43,999
that's why we can't support. We as in staff.

564
00:21:45,606 --> 00:21:47,606
that concludes my

565
00:21:51,612 --> 00:21:53,614
remarks. [ laughter ] is it a

566
00:21:53,614 --> 00:21:54,615
zoning request change. So it's just

567
00:21:54,615 --> 00:21:56,615
to add those

568
00:21:56,617 --> 00:21:57,618
two additional uses. She would still

569
00:21:57,618 --> 00:21:59,618
market it

570
00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:02,589
as retail or restaurant, but she would

571
00:22:02,589 --> 00:22:03,590
also be available to market it as to those other

572
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:05,590
folks.

573
00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,601
item number 12 is the shops

574
00:22:14,601 --> 00:22:15,602
at sandy lake. So this is the piece

575
00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,602
that

576
00:22:18,605 --> 00:22:20,605
is on sandy

577
00:22:21,608 --> 00:22:23,608
lake just

578
00:22:24,611 --> 00:22:26,611
north upon

579
00:22:26,613 --> 00:22:30,617
manor and express. So this was part

580
00:22:30,617 --> 00:22:31,618
of an original 29-

581
00:22:31,618 --> 00:22:33,620
acre development where everything kind

582
00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,200
of along sandy lake

583
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:38,592
was some kind of

584
00:22:38,592 --> 00:22:39,593
commercial owe retail and then in

585
00:22:39,593 --> 00:22:41,593
from

586
00:22:42,596 --> 00:22:44,596
that was arbor

587
00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,599
manor's 73-year --whatever,

588
00:22:47,601 --> 00:22:48,602
residential lot. So this is essentially

589
00:22:48,602 --> 00:22:50,602
the last

590
00:22:51,605 --> 00:22:54,500
commercial piece to be

591
00:22:54,608 --> 00:22:56,608
developed. So originally,

592
00:22:57,611 --> 00:22:59,611
the plan showed

593
00:23:00,614 --> 00:23:03,617
two buildings on sandy lake with

594
00:23:03,617 --> 00:23:05,619
parking in the back backing up

595
00:23:05,619 --> 00:23:06,620
to the residential. What they're proposing

596
00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:08,620
is

597
00:23:08,622 --> 00:23:09,590
the building towards the back with

598
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:11,590
the

599
00:23:11,592 --> 00:23:15,192
majority of the parking out front.

600
00:23:15,596 --> 00:23:18,599
so trying to take that parking lot to the

601
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:20,599
front towards the

602
00:23:20,601 --> 00:23:21,602
street versus back where the residential

603
00:23:21,602 --> 00:23:23,602
stuff is.

604
00:23:23,604 --> 00:23:24,605
in addition, kind of the differences

605
00:23:24,605 --> 00:23:26,605
I'm going

606
00:23:27,608 --> 00:23:30,611
to point out on screen is that

607
00:23:30,611 --> 00:23:32,613
the original p.d. Showed not only

608
00:23:32,613 --> 00:23:33,614
an entrance off of sandy lake, but

609
00:23:33,614 --> 00:23:35,614
also a

610
00:23:36,617 --> 00:23:39,170
drive out to the

611
00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:41,622
hoa lot. Arbor manor has

612
00:23:41,622 --> 00:23:42,589
an entrance or exit out there. So

613
00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:44,589
what they're proposing

614
00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:47,592
is they're going

615
00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:48,595
to share the drive that exists like on

616
00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,595
the

617
00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:54,197
verizon building next door, and then

618
00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:57,601
have another entrance/exit out

619
00:23:57,604 --> 00:24:00,607
front on sandy lake with no connection to

620
00:24:00,607 --> 00:24:02,609
the hoa lot. So those are

621
00:24:02,609 --> 00:24:03,610
kind of, like, the bigger differences.

622
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:05,610
and

623
00:24:06,613 --> 00:24:08,613
there's an

624
00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:09,616
existing brick wall that arbor manor

625
00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:11,616
has for

626
00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:13,620
those houses in that area. One of the other

627
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,589
things

628
00:24:15,589 --> 00:24:17,589
when we

629
00:24:17,591 --> 00:24:18,592
talked to them because originally they

630
00:24:18,592 --> 00:24:20,592
had their trash

631
00:24:20,594 --> 00:24:21,595
cans at the back, right? So we're

632
00:24:21,595 --> 00:24:23,595
told no,

633
00:24:24,598 --> 00:24:27,601
you need to move them off

634
00:24:27,601 --> 00:24:30,601
further into the parking lot

635
00:24:30,604 --> 00:24:31,605
or something, but like, off of the

636
00:24:31,605 --> 00:24:33,607
residential because we know that will

637
00:24:33,607 --> 00:24:36,610
be an issue. So this one is one

638
00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:39,613
building with a patio. They're looking

639
00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:40,614
at retail, medical and restaurant uses.

640
00:24:40,614 --> 00:24:42,614
one of

641
00:24:42,616 --> 00:24:45,619
the conditions is like the patio

642
00:24:45,619 --> 00:24:46,620
is only 555 square feet, but that

643
00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:48,620
we

644
00:24:48,622 --> 00:24:50,591
include that as part of their

645
00:24:50,591 --> 00:24:51,592
parking as we've done with other restaurants.

646
00:24:51,592 --> 00:24:53,592
so

647
00:24:53,594 --> 00:24:54,595
we're hoping to change that in an

648
00:24:54,595 --> 00:24:56,595
ordinance where we

649
00:24:57,598 --> 00:25:00,601
don't have to ask it as a condition

650
00:25:00,601 --> 00:25:03,100
anymore, but anything over 500

651
00:25:03,604 --> 00:25:06,400
you have to park.

652
00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:07,608
one of the other things that we're

653
00:25:07,608 --> 00:25:09,608
looking at with

654
00:25:09,610 --> 00:25:12,100
this one is we

655
00:25:12,613 --> 00:25:14,613
ask them

656
00:25:15,616 --> 00:25:17,616
to put

657
00:25:17,618 --> 00:25:18,619
additional screening or vegetation in

658
00:25:18,619 --> 00:25:20,619
the

659
00:25:21,622 --> 00:25:23,622
back.

660
00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:26,593
so they're planting trees, shrubs,

661
00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:27,594
whatever they may be, really closer

662
00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:30,594
to where the parking lot

663
00:25:30,597 --> 00:25:32,597
hit the --the

664
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,602
back end of the lot to act

665
00:25:35,602 --> 00:25:36,603
as an additional screening device

666
00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:39,300
and along with the

667
00:25:39,606 --> 00:25:40,607
screening while it's there. They're trying

668
00:25:40,607 --> 00:25:42,607
to

669
00:25:42,609 --> 00:25:44,609
save trees along

670
00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:46,613
the eastern side where it kind of

671
00:25:46,613 --> 00:25:48,613
lines with

672
00:25:48,615 --> 00:25:50,615
the entryway,

673
00:25:50,617 --> 00:25:51,618
but essentially, you know, they'll

674
00:25:51,618 --> 00:25:53,618
be planting other

675
00:25:54,621 --> 00:25:57,591
trees within the site and

676
00:25:57,591 --> 00:26:00,594
the majority of trees that are

677
00:26:00,594 --> 00:26:02,994
there will be gone.

678
00:26:03,597 --> 00:26:06,597
this one also had a

679
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,600
lot of people

680
00:26:09,603 --> 00:26:12,606
sending notices. So we sent out

681
00:26:12,606 --> 00:26:13,607
26 within 200 feet and we got ten

682
00:26:13,607 --> 00:26:15,607
back

683
00:26:15,609 --> 00:26:18,900
in opposition and another

684
00:26:18,612 --> 00:26:19,613
120 courtesy notices and we got five

685
00:26:19,613 --> 00:26:21,613
back

686
00:26:21,615 --> 00:26:23,615
in

687
00:26:24,618 --> 00:26:26,618
opposition. Essentially,

688
00:26:27,621 --> 00:26:30,210
here's the other one.

689
00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:32,991
the concernsconcerns traffic and

690
00:26:33,594 --> 00:26:36,597
they're saying that it's hard to turn in and

691
00:26:36,597 --> 00:26:38,597
out of

692
00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:43,604
sandy lake. Loss of green space.

693
00:26:43,604 --> 00:26:46,400
quality of life, noise.

694
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,607
>>

695
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:50,611
one more?

696
00:26:50,611 --> 00:26:51,612
>> sorry.

697
00:26:51,612 --> 00:26:52,613
lots of paper tonight, and if you

698
00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:54,613
want to

699
00:26:55,616 --> 00:26:58,619
see the actual notices, I've got

700
00:26:58,619 --> 00:27:00,621
them here. We can hand

701
00:27:00,621 --> 00:27:03,621
them out. Essentially the conditions

702
00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:06,991
that we're looking for

703
00:27:07,594 --> 00:27:09,594
is for the 500

704
00:27:09,596 --> 00:27:13,600
square feet patio area that they'll have to update the

705
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600
drainage analysis toto

706
00:27:15,602 --> 00:27:17,604
staff comments. Any signage that they're

707
00:27:17,604 --> 00:27:19,606
proposing, they just have a monument

708
00:27:19,606 --> 00:27:21,606
sign, but any

709
00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:25,612
wall sign would have to do with

710
00:27:25,612 --> 00:27:27,612
city requirements and

711
00:27:28,615 --> 00:27:30,615
they have to

712
00:27:31,618 --> 00:27:32,619
make a --[ inaudible ]

713
00:27:32,619 --> 00:27:33,620
>> so

714
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:34,621
it's already going in the p.d. As a

715
00:27:34,621 --> 00:27:36,590
commercial lot.

716
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:37,591
>> right. Originally, they had two

717
00:27:37,591 --> 00:27:38,592
buildings and they're going

718
00:27:38,592 --> 00:27:40,594
with one building and kind of doing

719
00:27:40,594 --> 00:27:41,595
a flip-flop of

720
00:27:41,595 --> 00:27:43,597
what's there and it's the restaurant --

721
00:27:43,597 --> 00:27:45,597
>> the

722
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,602
argument, the loss of green space, they

723
00:27:48,602 --> 00:27:49,603
can build it in green space anyway.

724
00:27:49,603 --> 00:27:51,603
>>

725
00:27:52,606 --> 00:27:53,607
they're already entitled.

726
00:27:53,607 --> 00:27:54,608
>>

727
00:27:54,608 --> 00:27:55,609
they're already entitled.

728
00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:56,610
>> yes.

729
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:58,612
how long will it affect the

730
00:27:58,612 --> 00:28:00,612
quality of life?

731
00:28:01,615 --> 00:28:04,615
it's zoned or any nuances

732
00:28:04,618 --> 00:28:06,618
to their request.

733
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:09,590
>> right. So --you understand that.

734
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:10,591
I understand understand that, but

735
00:28:10,591 --> 00:28:11,592
when you

736
00:28:11,592 --> 00:28:13,594
see green space that's there and you

737
00:28:13,594 --> 00:28:15,594
move in,

738
00:28:15,596 --> 00:28:16,597
and you've been living there and now

739
00:28:16,597 --> 00:28:18,597
all of

740
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,601
a suddensudden sign goes up --

741
00:28:20,601 --> 00:28:22,601
>>

742
00:28:22,603 --> 00:28:25,606
and the hoa is proposing to buy

743
00:28:25,606 --> 00:28:28,609
it so they can keep the green space?

744
00:28:28,609 --> 00:28:30,609
>> not

745
00:28:31,612 --> 00:28:33,612
to my knowledge.

746
00:28:34,615 --> 00:28:35,616
[ laughter ]

747
00:28:35,616 --> 00:28:36,617
>> this is fairly common,

748
00:28:36,617 --> 00:28:37,618
so --

749
00:28:37,618 --> 00:28:40,180
>> I'm just verifying. >> yeah.

750
00:28:40,621 --> 00:28:43,590
if you read some of the

751
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:45,592
stuff it's spot zoning. It's not

752
00:28:45,592 --> 00:28:46,593
spot zoning. It's already been planned

753
00:28:46,593 --> 00:28:48,593
for

754
00:28:48,595 --> 00:28:49,596
that. [ inaudible ]

755
00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:50,597
>> so they're

756
00:28:50,597 --> 00:28:51,598
just coming in

757
00:28:51,598 --> 00:28:52,599
with a detailed plan to show you what

758
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:53,600
they want to do.

759
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,600
>> right.

760
00:28:55,602 --> 00:28:58,602
>> and they're adding restaurant use,

761
00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,608
what they want to do. So --

762
00:29:01,608 --> 00:29:03,610
>> when 151 came in --

763
00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:04,611
>> no drive through. >> there were

764
00:29:04,611 --> 00:29:05,612
the

765
00:29:05,612 --> 00:29:07,614
same arguments about the removal of

766
00:29:07,614 --> 00:29:10,614
the trees. Earn seems to

767
00:29:10,617 --> 00:29:11,618
forget that the removal of the trees for

768
00:29:11,618 --> 00:29:13,618
the

769
00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:14,621
development itself.

770
00:29:14,621 --> 00:29:15,622
>> right. >> the

771
00:29:15,622 --> 00:29:16,590
whole

772
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:17,591
thing was --

773
00:29:17,591 --> 00:29:18,592
>> green space. >> it was heavily wooded.

774
00:29:18,592 --> 00:29:20,592
yeah.

775
00:29:22,596 --> 00:29:25,599
>> allall right. I do have a concern

776
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:27,599
about

777
00:29:27,601 --> 00:29:28,602
increased traffic. We want to avoid

778
00:29:28,602 --> 00:29:31,200
cars making left turns.

779
00:29:31,605 --> 00:29:33,605
>> there's a

780
00:29:33,607 --> 00:29:34,608
left-turn bay.

781
00:29:34,608 --> 00:29:36,608
>> I'm around there

782
00:29:37,611 --> 00:29:39,613
all of the time

783
00:29:39,613 --> 00:29:40,614
because sprouts is on the other side.

784
00:29:40,614 --> 00:29:42,614
I

785
00:29:42,616 --> 00:29:43,617
appreciate them coming over to the

786
00:29:43,617 --> 00:29:44,618
verizon

787
00:29:44,618 --> 00:29:46,620
bank because that's where the curb

788
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,622
cut is, and you'll

789
00:29:48,622 --> 00:29:49,590
be able to make a left turn.

790
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:50,591
>> yeah.

791
00:29:50,591 --> 00:29:52,591
>> I know it

792
00:29:52,593 --> 00:29:53,594
can be a lot --

793
00:29:53,594 --> 00:29:54,595
>> increased. >> there

794
00:29:54,595 --> 00:29:55,596
will be a lot of people trying to go

795
00:29:55,596 --> 00:29:56,597
all of the

796
00:29:56,597 --> 00:30:01,602
way across into the turn lane to make a u-turn.

797
00:30:01,602 --> 00:30:03,602
>> yeah. Yeah. >>

798
00:30:04,605 --> 00:30:06,605
so

799
00:30:06,607 --> 00:30:07,608
that's goinggoing fall within the

800
00:30:07,608 --> 00:30:08,609
purview of

801
00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:09,610
the potential signal.

802
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:10,611
>> everyone will go

803
00:30:10,611 --> 00:30:12,613
right out here to hit the

804
00:30:12,613 --> 00:30:13,614
turn lane right away and make the

805
00:30:13,614 --> 00:30:14,615
u-turn.

806
00:30:14,615 --> 00:30:15,616
>>

807
00:30:15,616 --> 00:30:16,617
or they will come out here.

808
00:30:16,617 --> 00:30:17,618
>> that's what

809
00:30:17,618 --> 00:30:19,618
the smart

810
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:20,621
people would do. [ laughter ]

811
00:30:20,621 --> 00:30:21,622
>> I

812
00:30:21,622 --> 00:30:22,589
mean,

813
00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:23,590
it happens in every direction.

814
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:24,591
>> yeah.

815
00:30:24,591 --> 00:30:25,592
>>

816
00:30:25,592 --> 00:30:28,595
because we're so close to the

817
00:30:28,595 --> 00:30:30,595
intersection to

818
00:30:30,597 --> 00:30:31,598
come around that way.

819
00:30:31,598 --> 00:30:32,599
>> once they

820
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:33,600
go out the wrong way the

821
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,601
first time then the next time they'll get

822
00:30:34,601 --> 00:30:35,602
it figured out, right?

823
00:30:35,602 --> 00:30:37,602
>> yeah.

824
00:30:40,607 --> 00:30:42,607
>> you know --

825
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:46,613
typically, you know, I would think

826
00:30:46,613 --> 00:30:49,616
if you're having restaurants or office

827
00:30:49,616 --> 00:30:51,616
or

828
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:54,619
retail,

829
00:30:54,621 --> 00:30:55,622
whatever, later in the not later in

830
00:30:55,622 --> 00:30:57,622
the

831
00:30:58,592 --> 00:31:00,594
day, but 9:00 or whatever, I think

832
00:31:00,594 --> 00:31:01,595
most people if you're going to work

833
00:31:01,595 --> 00:31:03,595
you leave

834
00:31:04,598 --> 00:31:05,599
at 7:00, 8:00?

835
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,599
>> you're talking if

836
00:31:07,601 --> 00:31:10,601
it conflicts with our manor?

837
00:31:10,604 --> 00:31:13,607
>> I'm just saying, you know -->>

838
00:31:13,607 --> 00:31:16,610
are they going to wall that on arbor manor?

839
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:17,611
>> it's already walled. >> oh,

840
00:31:17,611 --> 00:31:18,612
it's already walled.

841
00:31:18,612 --> 00:31:19,613
>> on the south

842
00:31:19,613 --> 00:31:22,130
side of this property.

843
00:31:22,616 --> 00:31:23,617
>> no. I'm talking about on the east

844
00:31:23,617 --> 00:31:25,617
side.

845
00:31:25,619 --> 00:31:26,620
>> there's kind of, like,

846
00:31:26,620 --> 00:31:28,622
something there. It's commercial.

847
00:31:28,622 --> 00:31:30,622
it's zoned commercial.

848
00:31:31,592 --> 00:31:33,592
>> trees, because's no

849
00:31:33,594 --> 00:31:34,595
actual correction to that drive.

850
00:31:34,595 --> 00:31:35,596
>> correct.

851
00:31:35,596 --> 00:31:37,596
>> I

852
00:31:37,598 --> 00:31:40,601
wonder if it would be better for

853
00:31:40,601 --> 00:31:41,602
sani lake if they don't come out of

854
00:31:41,602 --> 00:31:43,602
the other end

855
00:31:43,604 --> 00:31:44,605
of the property and you won't have

856
00:31:44,605 --> 00:31:46,605
to

857
00:31:46,607 --> 00:31:48,607
worry about

858
00:31:48,609 --> 00:31:49,610
this traffic thing.

859
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:50,611
>> this is arbor

860
00:31:50,611 --> 00:31:52,611
manor's

861
00:31:52,613 --> 00:31:55,616
ho allot. So they don't own that.

862
00:31:55,616 --> 00:31:56,617
>> oh! >> it's on the other side.

863
00:31:56,617 --> 00:31:58,617
>> on

864
00:31:58,619 --> 00:32:02,589
the east side of the property is arbor

865
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:03,590
manor's ho allot.

866
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:04,591
>> okay. Okay.

867
00:32:04,591 --> 00:32:05,592
it's not their lot.

868
00:32:05,592 --> 00:32:06,593
>> we don't want

869
00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:08,595
a connection to their --

870
00:32:08,595 --> 00:32:11,595
>> yeah. Because they don't want

871
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,598
people driving through

872
00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:16,601
their neighborhood.

873
00:32:17,604 --> 00:32:19,604
>> what? >> driving

874
00:32:20,607 --> 00:32:21,608
28 feet.

875
00:32:21,608 --> 00:32:22,609
>> item number 12 or --

876
00:32:22,609 --> 00:32:23,610
I'm sorry, number 13 is essentially

877
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:25,610
the plat

878
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:28,615
for it basically showing the water

879
00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:32,215
easement, drainage easement and fire lane.

880
00:32:35,622 --> 00:32:37,591
and let's

881
00:32:37,591 --> 00:32:41,595
see, very quickly, I'll tell you about cases --

882
00:32:41,595 --> 00:32:43,597
>> really --are they actually

883
00:32:43,597 --> 00:32:46,600
requesting a zoning change or amending

884
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,601
the plan of record? ? Just a site

885
00:32:47,601 --> 00:32:49,601
plan approval.

886
00:32:50,604 --> 00:32:53,400
>> no, it is a

887
00:32:53,607 --> 00:32:54,608
zoning --

888
00:32:54,608 --> 00:32:56,608
>>

889
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:57,611
it was --[ inaudible ]

890
00:32:57,611 --> 00:32:58,612
>> pd

891
00:32:58,612 --> 00:32:59,613
to pd.

892
00:32:59,613 --> 00:33:00,614
>> conceptual pd to detailed

893
00:33:00,614 --> 00:33:02,614
pd

894
00:33:02,616 --> 00:33:05,619
and they're adding the restaurant use.

895
00:33:05,619 --> 00:33:06,620
okay.

896
00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:08,620
>> yeah. City

897
00:33:08,622 --> 00:33:11,592
council, march 10th, we had the

898
00:33:11,592 --> 00:33:13,592
multi-family,

899
00:33:14,595 --> 00:33:16,595
55+ coppell was denied

900
00:33:17,598 --> 00:33:19,598
by city council

901
00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:21,602
3-4 or 4-3. It was close.

902
00:33:21,602 --> 00:33:22,603
>> one vote.

903
00:33:22,603 --> 00:33:26,203
>> what was the main reason there?

904
00:33:26,607 --> 00:33:29,700
>> they didn't think it

905
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:30,611
was a good use for that area.

906
00:33:30,611 --> 00:33:31,612
>> too

907
00:33:31,612 --> 00:33:32,613
tall?

908
00:33:32,613 --> 00:33:33,614
>> wow. >> too tall was part of it.

909
00:33:33,614 --> 00:33:35,614
density.

910
00:33:38,619 --> 00:33:39,620
>> natera, the

911
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:41,622
detailed pd was approved. The true

912
00:33:41,622 --> 00:33:44,220
hotel was approved and

913
00:33:44,591 --> 00:33:45,592
the str removal at k

914
00:33:45,592 --> 00:33:47,594
street was approved and the batch

915
00:33:47,594 --> 00:33:50,594
plat was continued to april

916
00:33:50,597 --> 00:33:51,598
28th.

917
00:33:51,598 --> 00:33:53,600
>> chris collins' deal was

918
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,601
approved, too.

919
00:33:54,601 --> 00:33:56,601
>> oh, sorry. >> which

920
00:33:56,603 --> 00:33:57,604
one was that one?

921
00:33:57,604 --> 00:33:59,604
>> the work.

922
00:33:59,606 --> 00:34:00,607
the home-based business.

923
00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:01,608
>> the

924
00:34:01,608 --> 00:34:02,609
concrete plat, did the applicant request

925
00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:03,610
a

926
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:07,210
continuation or did council want that?

927
00:34:08,615 --> 00:34:09,616
>>

928
00:34:09,616 --> 00:34:11,618
council, they said go back and work on

929
00:34:11,618 --> 00:34:13,618
your plans

930
00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:15,622
and get something that is --is acceptable

931
00:34:15,622 --> 00:34:16,590
for

932
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:17,591
staff for review and then bring it

933
00:34:17,591 --> 00:34:19,991
back to us and

934
00:34:20,594 --> 00:34:25,394
so I think it was april 24th --

935
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,601
28th.

936
00:34:27,601 --> 00:34:29,601
>> I was

937
00:34:29,603 --> 00:34:31,605
just wondering if they pulled the

938
00:34:31,605 --> 00:34:34,605
december application, and then they

939
00:34:35,609 --> 00:34:36,610
reapplied.

940
00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:38,610
>> they got

941
00:34:38,612 --> 00:34:39,613
a lecture.

942
00:34:39,613 --> 00:34:41,613
>>

943
00:34:41,615 --> 00:34:43,615
was

944
00:34:43,617 --> 00:34:44,618
there any --[ inaudible ]

945
00:34:44,618 --> 00:34:45,619
>> I think

946
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:48,190
I'll let --[ inaudible ]

947
00:35:05,606 --> 00:35:06,607
>>

948
00:35:06,607 --> 00:35:09,700
december, january --[ inaudible ]

949
00:35:11,612 --> 00:35:13,614
>> all right. Hey. >> so what

950
00:35:13,614 --> 00:35:14,615
was your answer? Did you have a question?

951
00:35:14,615 --> 00:35:16,615
>> I

952
00:35:17,618 --> 00:35:18,619
asked cole if there was traffic analysis for

953
00:35:18,619 --> 00:35:19,620
the

954
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:20,621
site, and he said no, there wasn't

955
00:35:20,621 --> 00:35:22,621
because

956
00:35:22,623 --> 00:35:23,590
it didn't meet thresholds for an analysis,

957
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:25,590
and then

958
00:35:25,592 --> 00:35:28,595
I commented that it was huge that

959
00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:29,596
verizon allowed to process the easement

960
00:35:29,596 --> 00:35:31,598
to connect on the back

961
00:35:31,598 --> 00:35:32,599
end of that site, but I did have a

962
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:34,599
question back

963
00:35:35,602 --> 00:35:38,605
on the old town. So that was previously

964
00:35:38,605 --> 00:35:39,606
a pd, and it will stay as a pd.

965
00:35:39,606 --> 00:35:41,606
>>

966
00:35:41,608 --> 00:35:42,609
are you talking the town --

967
00:35:42,609 --> 00:35:44,609
>>

968
00:35:44,611 --> 00:35:46,611
no, the

969
00:35:46,613 --> 00:35:47,614
professional.

970
00:35:47,614 --> 00:35:48,615
>> yeah. >> so you're --

971
00:35:48,615 --> 00:35:49,616
you're

972
00:35:49,616 --> 00:35:50,617
looking at it the from the big picture

973
00:35:50,617 --> 00:35:52,617
plan.

974
00:35:52,619 --> 00:35:53,620
could there be a challengechallenge

975
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,620
a basis for

976
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:58,590
a taking

977
00:35:59,593 --> 00:36:00,594
if it's not allowed?

978
00:36:00,594 --> 00:36:02,594
>> no. Not at

979
00:36:02,596 --> 00:36:04,996
all. They have two

980
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,599
apartments rented upstairs

981
00:36:08,602 --> 00:36:09,603
and 750.

982
00:36:09,603 --> 00:36:11,603
>> if

983
00:36:11,605 --> 00:36:14,605
it were to go south,

984
00:36:14,608 --> 00:36:15,609
and they still have their existing

985
00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:16,610
ability.

986
00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:17,611
>> that type of question, I think

987
00:36:17,611 --> 00:36:20,110
needs to be in

988
00:36:20,614 --> 00:36:21,615
executive session.

989
00:36:21,615 --> 00:36:23,615
>> okay.

990
00:36:23,617 --> 00:36:25,617
>>

991
00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:31,590
consultation --

992
00:36:31,592 --> 00:36:32,593
>> we have to say no reasonable use

993
00:36:32,593 --> 00:36:34,993
of property and there

994
00:36:35,596 --> 00:36:37,596
are restaurants

995
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,602
in the area. And they would

996
00:36:41,602 --> 00:36:43,604
have a very tough time

997
00:36:43,604 --> 00:36:44,605
convincing the judge that they don't

998
00:36:44,605 --> 00:36:46,605
have reasonable use.

999
00:36:47,608 --> 00:36:50,800
>> okay. Okay. >> all of

1000
00:36:50,611 --> 00:36:53,611
the units in that line

1001
00:36:53,614 --> 00:36:56,140
capable of a restaurant?

1002
00:36:56,617 --> 00:36:58,617
>>

1003
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:01,620
I think --

1004
00:37:02,623 --> 00:37:04,591
>> yeah. Dodi

1005
00:37:04,591 --> 00:37:05,592
is still capable --

1006
00:37:05,592 --> 00:37:06,593
>> they have three

1007
00:37:06,593 --> 00:37:08,593
new buildings.

1008
00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:10,595
south of

1009
00:37:11,598 --> 00:37:14,601
dodi is where the financial --

1010
00:37:14,601 --> 00:37:16,603
>> right. >> they have not been planned

1011
00:37:16,603 --> 00:37:17,604
for a restaurant so they have to come

1012
00:37:17,604 --> 00:37:19,604
back through

1013
00:37:20,607 --> 00:37:22,609
the process. The pad

1014
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:23,610
site is next to twisted route is also

1015
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,610
slated

1016
00:37:26,613 --> 00:37:29,130
for a restaurant with

1017
00:37:29,616 --> 00:37:31,616
the city-owned property.

1018
00:37:32,619 --> 00:37:35,619
>> and any restaurant coming in. >>

1019
00:37:35,622 --> 00:37:36,590
is that the tamale place?

1020
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,590
>> no.

1021
00:37:38,592 --> 00:37:41,595
that's the vacant pad site next to that.

1022
00:37:41,595 --> 00:37:42,596
>> there are some synergies for those kind

1023
00:37:42,596 --> 00:37:44,596
of

1024
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:46,600
uses out there now.

1025
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600
>> yeah.

1026
00:37:48,602 --> 00:37:51,605
>> so they may have a hard time

1027
00:37:51,605 --> 00:37:52,606
convincing the council and

1028
00:37:52,606 --> 00:37:54,608
they're just sitting there watching.

1029
00:37:54,608 --> 00:37:56,608
>> yeah.

1030
00:37:57,611 --> 00:37:59,611
and I know

1031
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:02,616
it's our vision to create an active

1032
00:38:02,616 --> 00:38:06,620
old town. So we can't take away the

1033
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:09,200
evening and weekend traffic.

1034
00:38:09,623 --> 00:38:12,593
>> it's come a long way since

1035
00:38:12,593 --> 00:38:13,594
the

1036
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:14,595
carter track. [ laughter ]

1037
00:38:14,595 --> 00:38:15,596
>> and it

1038
00:38:15,596 --> 00:38:17,596
was a very

1039
00:38:17,598 --> 00:38:18,599
bad feel.

1040
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:19,600
>> it was. I remember being

1041
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,601
out there

1042
00:38:20,601 --> 00:38:21,602
with soccer and baseball. Any other

1043
00:38:21,602 --> 00:38:23,602
questions

1044
00:38:23,604 --> 00:38:24,605
of staff on cases? Okay. With that,

1045
00:38:24,605 --> 00:38:26,605
I'll

1046
00:38:26,607 --> 00:38:27,608
adjourn the work session at 6:30.

1047
00:38:27,608 --> 00:38:30,611
a five-minute break before we start?

1048
00:38:30,611 --> 00:38:32,611
>> yes.

1049
00:45:22,623 --> 00:45:24,623
>>> okay.

1050
00:45:25,592 --> 00:45:27,594
good evening. The time is 6:47

1051
00:45:27,594 --> 00:45:28,595
and the planning and zoning commission

1052
00:45:28,595 --> 00:45:30,595
is now

1053
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,598
reconvening into general session.

1054
00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:34,601
prayer to coming out before you

1055
00:45:34,601 --> 00:45:37,604
we were in work session reviewing

1056
00:45:37,604 --> 00:45:39,606
the cases, and we

1057
00:45:39,606 --> 00:45:40,607
had some audio technical and we are

1058
00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:42,607
all

1059
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:44,611
squared away and ready to go. So with

1060
00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:46,611
that,

1061
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:48,615
item 4 on the agenda is the

1062
00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:49,616
citizens appearance. Is there anybody

1063
00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:51,616
here that wants

1064
00:45:51,618 --> 00:45:55,622
to speak on an item that's not on

1065
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:57,622
the

1066
00:46:01,595 --> 00:46:03,597
agenda? Okay. Seeing none.

1067
00:46:03,597 --> 00:46:04,598
for the record, we have all of the

1068
00:46:04,598 --> 00:46:06,598
commission members

1069
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,601
present and we have cindy bishop virtually tonight.

1070
00:46:07,601 --> 00:46:09,601
so --

1071
00:46:10,604 --> 00:46:11,605
[ inaudible ]

1072
00:46:11,605 --> 00:46:13,605
>> oh,

1073
00:46:13,607 --> 00:46:15,607
you're right.

1074
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:19,100
ed maurer. All right.

1075
00:46:19,613 --> 00:46:20,614
item 5 on the agenda is for approval of

1076
00:46:20,614 --> 00:46:22,614
the february

1077
00:46:22,616 --> 00:46:23,617
19th meeting. Any comments by the

1078
00:46:23,617 --> 00:46:24,618
commission

1079
00:46:24,618 --> 00:46:28,622
or is there a motion by the commission?

1080
00:46:28,622 --> 00:46:29,623
>> I'll make a motion to approve the --

1081
00:46:29,623 --> 00:46:31,592
what was

1082
00:46:31,592 --> 00:46:32,593
the date?

1083
00:46:32,593 --> 00:46:33,594
>> february 19th?

1084
00:46:33,594 --> 00:46:34,595
>> february 19th meeting minutes.

1085
00:46:34,595 --> 00:46:36,595
>> I'll second. >> we

1086
00:46:37,598 --> 00:46:40,598
have a motion by commissioner

1087
00:46:40,601 --> 00:46:43,601
dobmeier and a second by

1088
00:46:43,604 --> 00:46:44,605
commissioner patel. Tammy, would you call

1089
00:46:44,605 --> 00:46:46,605
the

1090
00:46:46,607 --> 00:46:47,608
roll, please?

1091
00:46:47,608 --> 00:46:49,608
>> commissioner dobmeier.

1092
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:52,100
>> aye. >> commissioner haas. >> aye.

1093
00:46:52,613 --> 00:46:54,613
>> commissioner bishop?

1094
00:46:55,616 --> 00:46:57,616
her

1095
00:46:58,619 --> 00:47:01,622
audio is not working. I apologize.

1096
00:47:01,622 --> 00:47:04,591
all approved, none opposed, motion

1097
00:47:04,591 --> 00:47:05,592
carries.

1098
00:47:05,592 --> 00:47:07,594
>> before we move on,

1099
00:47:07,594 --> 00:47:09,596
cindy, can you hear us? Okay. I

1100
00:47:09,596 --> 00:47:10,597
see you're nodding. Okay. We don't

1101
00:47:10,597 --> 00:47:13,597
hear you unless you're muted.

1102
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:24,609
okay. Yeah.

1103
00:47:24,611 --> 00:47:25,612
if you give us a thumb's up when we

1104
00:47:25,612 --> 00:47:27,614
call the roll for

1105
00:47:27,614 --> 00:47:28,615
the vote then we'll know, but hopefully

1106
00:47:28,615 --> 00:47:30,615
we'll get things

1107
00:47:31,618 --> 00:47:34,180
fixed before then, okay?

1108
00:47:34,621 --> 00:47:35,622
all right.

1109
00:47:35,622 --> 00:47:37,591
>> item 6 is to

1110
00:47:37,591 --> 00:47:39,591
consider approval of

1111
00:47:40,594 --> 00:47:42,594
the benge

1112
00:47:43,597 --> 00:47:44,598
legacy addition lot 1 block a site

1113
00:47:44,598 --> 00:47:46,598
plan

1114
00:47:47,601 --> 00:47:50,601
to allow for the development

1115
00:47:50,604 --> 00:47:51,605
of a 4,900 square foot

1116
00:47:51,605 --> 00:47:53,607
office/warehouse located at 428 southwestern

1117
00:47:53,607 --> 00:47:55,609
blood at the request

1118
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:59,209
of jason benge being represented by

1119
00:47:59,613 --> 00:48:01,613
greg frnka of

1120
00:48:02,616 --> 00:48:04,618
gpf architects. We have a

1121
00:48:04,618 --> 00:48:07,618
presentation by chairman matt steer.

1122
00:48:08,622 --> 00:48:10,591
>> it currently has a single-

1123
00:48:10,591 --> 00:48:14,595
family house on itit has plans to

1124
00:48:14,595 --> 00:48:16,597
be demolished. The property

1125
00:48:16,597 --> 00:48:20,601
is proposed to be cleared and redeveloped

1126
00:48:20,601 --> 00:48:22,603
with a 4900 square foot

1127
00:48:22,603 --> 00:48:23,604
office warehouse and this is acceptable

1128
00:48:23,604 --> 00:48:25,604
within the

1129
00:48:26,607 --> 00:48:29,607
light industrial district. They are

1130
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:31,612
planning to have 2100 square

1131
00:48:31,612 --> 00:48:32,613
feet of office space, 2800 square

1132
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:34,613
feet

1133
00:48:34,615 --> 00:48:37,618
of warehouse space. They are proposing

1134
00:48:37,618 --> 00:48:38,619
ten parking spaces where nine parking

1135
00:48:38,619 --> 00:48:40,619
spaces

1136
00:48:41,622 --> 00:48:43,590
are required.

1137
00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:44,591
there's five pecan trees which are

1138
00:48:44,591 --> 00:48:46,591
proposed to be

1139
00:48:47,594 --> 00:48:49,994
removed and replaced with

1140
00:48:50,597 --> 00:48:52,597
15 over story trees.

1141
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,600
there are pour

1142
00:48:55,602 --> 00:48:56,603
pen oaks andand texas red oaks. The

1143
00:48:56,603 --> 00:48:58,603
tree

1144
00:48:59,606 --> 00:49:01,608
removal permit will be required prior to

1145
00:49:01,608 --> 00:49:04,611
the removal of any trees and as designed

1146
00:49:04,611 --> 00:49:05,612
the landscape plan is compliant with

1147
00:49:05,612 --> 00:49:06,613
the

1148
00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:08,615
landscape ordinance and given that

1149
00:49:08,615 --> 00:49:11,615
this property is less than

1150
00:49:11,618 --> 00:49:14,618
two acres in size, the

1151
00:49:14,621 --> 00:49:17,210
required landscaping is --

1152
00:49:17,591 --> 00:49:20,591
is 30% and they are providing

1153
00:49:23,597 --> 00:49:25,597
41%. The building is 28-

1154
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:26,600
foot in height and they have a combination

1155
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,600
of

1156
00:49:29,603 --> 00:49:32,603
white austin stone and the

1157
00:49:32,606 --> 00:49:34,606
fiberboard and

1158
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:38,900
dark bronze, metal panels

1159
00:49:38,612 --> 00:49:40,614
and the dark bronze

1160
00:49:40,614 --> 00:49:41,615
canopies. The staff is recommending

1161
00:49:41,615 --> 00:49:43,615
approval for

1162
00:49:44,618 --> 00:49:46,618
the benge legacy

1163
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:47,621
site plan, subject to the following

1164
00:49:47,621 --> 00:49:49,621
condition and

1165
00:49:49,623 --> 00:49:50,591
the detailed engineering and building

1166
00:49:50,591 --> 00:49:52,591
permit review

1167
00:49:53,594 --> 00:49:55,594
and prior to

1168
00:49:55,596 --> 00:49:56,597
the removal of any trees and it shall

1169
00:49:56,597 --> 00:49:58,599
comply with the sign

1170
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:59,600
ordinance and the formation of the type of

1171
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,600
the lighting

1172
00:50:02,603 --> 00:50:03,604
facilities and security lighting,

1173
00:50:03,604 --> 00:50:04,605
screening and

1174
00:50:04,605 --> 00:50:05,606
glare shades will be required at the

1175
00:50:05,606 --> 00:50:08,600
time of building permit

1176
00:50:08,609 --> 00:50:09,610
to ensure compliance with the

1177
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:11,612
lighting ordinance. That concludes

1178
00:50:11,612 --> 00:50:13,612
my presentation.

1179
00:50:13,614 --> 00:50:14,615
the applicant's in the audience as

1180
00:50:14,615 --> 00:50:15,616
well, and I'd

1181
00:50:15,616 --> 00:50:19,216
be happy to answer any questions.

1182
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:22,620
>> okay. Matt, any concern? >> looks

1183
00:50:22,623 --> 00:50:23,624
like a residential property on the

1184
00:50:23,624 --> 00:50:25,592
outside?

1185
00:50:25,592 --> 00:50:26,593
>> no, sir, that's zone light industrial.

1186
00:50:26,593 --> 00:50:29,596
>> okay. Any questions of the applicant?

1187
00:50:29,596 --> 00:50:31,596
I'm sorry --

1188
00:50:31,598 --> 00:50:32,599
of the staff? Of the commission? Okay.

1189
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:37,399
is the applicant here to present the case?

1190
00:50:41,608 --> 00:50:43,608
>> greg, if you

1191
00:50:44,611 --> 00:50:47,614
can hold on a second. Can we combine

1192
00:50:47,614 --> 00:50:49,614
the two?

1193
00:50:49,616 --> 00:50:50,617
we'll com bin bine these two just

1194
00:50:50,617 --> 00:50:52,617
to

1195
00:50:52,619 --> 00:50:53,620
save a little time. If you can load up item

1196
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:54,621
7.

1197
00:50:54,621 --> 00:50:55,622
>>

1198
00:50:55,622 --> 00:50:56,623
item 7 is the minor plat.

1199
00:50:56,623 --> 00:50:57,591
>> okay.

1200
00:50:57,591 --> 00:50:59,591
so

1201
00:50:59,593 --> 00:51:01,593
item 7 is considering

1202
00:51:02,596 --> 00:51:06,196
approval of the minor plat to

1203
00:51:08,602 --> 00:51:11,200
allow for the office

1204
00:51:11,605 --> 00:51:14,605
warehouse and jason benge being

1205
00:51:14,608 --> 00:51:17,800
represented by greg frnka

1206
00:51:17,611 --> 00:51:19,611
of

1207
00:51:19,613 --> 00:51:20,614
gpf architects.

1208
00:51:20,614 --> 00:51:21,615
>> this plot has never

1209
00:51:21,615 --> 00:51:22,616
been

1210
00:51:22,616 --> 00:51:23,617
platted. The property must be legally

1211
00:51:23,617 --> 00:51:26,170
defined as a lot

1212
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:28,620
and block. The

1213
00:51:28,622 --> 00:51:29,623
only easement required is for the water connection

1214
00:51:29,623 --> 00:51:31,623
and

1215
00:51:32,593 --> 00:51:33,594
the proposed 10' water easement is

1216
00:51:33,594 --> 00:51:34,595
acceptable and staff

1217
00:51:34,595 --> 00:51:35,596
is recommending approval subject to

1218
00:51:35,596 --> 00:51:37,596
the

1219
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,999
following conditions there will

1220
00:51:41,602 --> 00:51:43,604
be a dditional comments and the

1221
00:51:43,604 --> 00:51:44,605
tree removal permit is required prior to

1222
00:51:44,605 --> 00:51:46,605
the removal of

1223
00:51:46,607 --> 00:51:47,608
any trees and three, the detector

1224
00:51:47,608 --> 00:51:49,608
check is

1225
00:51:50,611 --> 00:51:52,613
not required and the 10 by 10

1226
00:51:52,613 --> 00:51:53,614
easement at the the property line

1227
00:51:53,614 --> 00:51:55,614
is

1228
00:51:55,616 --> 00:51:56,617
redundant.

1229
00:51:56,617 --> 00:51:57,618
>> any questions of staff by

1230
00:51:57,618 --> 00:51:58,619
the

1231
00:51:58,619 --> 00:51:59,620
commission? Okay. You get the applicant

1232
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:02,200
to present the case.

1233
00:52:02,623 --> 00:52:05,230
>> good evening. Mr. Haas,

1234
00:52:05,592 --> 00:52:07,992
commissioners, mr. Steer, greg

1235
00:52:08,595 --> 00:52:10,595
frnka gpf architect,

1236
00:52:11,598 --> 00:52:12,599
coppell, texas. We agree with all of the

1237
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:13,600
staff

1238
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,601
recommendations and I would be glad to answer

1239
00:52:14,601 --> 00:52:16,601
any questions.

1240
00:52:17,604 --> 00:52:19,606
>> any questions of the

1241
00:52:19,606 --> 00:52:20,607
applicant.

1242
00:52:20,607 --> 00:52:21,608
>> -- back here, too. >> any questions of the

1243
00:52:21,608 --> 00:52:23,608
applicant?

1244
00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:26,610
I see cindy nodding no.

1245
00:52:26,613 --> 00:52:27,614
okay.

1246
00:52:27,614 --> 00:52:28,615
>> thank you very much. >> any

1247
00:52:28,615 --> 00:52:29,616
final discussion by the commission?

1248
00:52:29,616 --> 00:52:33,816
>> is there a motion by the commission?

1249
00:52:35,622 --> 00:52:38,592
I'll make a motion for

1250
00:52:38,592 --> 00:52:41,592
benge legacy addition lot one

1251
00:52:41,595 --> 00:52:43,595
block 1428 southwestern

1252
00:52:44,598 --> 00:52:45,599
both minor site plan

1253
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,601
approval subject to staff terms and conditions.

1254
00:52:47,601 --> 00:52:48,602
>> we have a

1255
00:52:48,602 --> 00:52:50,602
motion by commissioner

1256
00:52:50,604 --> 00:52:51,605
is there a second in.

1257
00:52:51,605 --> 00:52:52,606
>>

1258
00:52:52,606 --> 00:52:53,607
second by vice chair blankenship.

1259
00:52:53,607 --> 00:52:55,607
tammy, would you

1260
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:57,611
call the roll

1261
00:52:57,611 --> 00:52:59,613
please? Please respond aye or nay.

1262
00:52:59,613 --> 00:53:01,613
>> chairman haas?

1263
00:53:02,616 --> 00:53:04,616
>> aye. >> commissioner hafemann.

1264
00:53:05,619 --> 00:53:07,619
>> aye. >>

1265
00:53:07,621 --> 00:53:08,622
commissioner patel.

1266
00:53:08,622 --> 00:53:09,623
>> aye. >> and

1267
00:53:09,623 --> 00:53:11,592
commissioner bishop?

1268
00:53:11,592 --> 00:53:13,992
>> I see commissioner bishop,

1269
00:53:14,595 --> 00:53:15,596
thumbs up.

1270
00:53:15,596 --> 00:53:16,597
>> all approve.

1271
00:53:16,597 --> 00:53:17,598
>> thank you very much. Item 8 on

1272
00:53:17,598 --> 00:53:20,601
the agenda is a public hearing.

1273
00:53:20,601 --> 00:53:24,201
this is to consider approval of

1274
00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:32,610
pd-178r2r-c 145 west town

1275
00:53:32,613 --> 00:53:34,615
center drive a zoning change request request

1276
00:53:34,615 --> 00:53:35,616
for commercial to plan development

1277
00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:37,616
178 revision

1278
00:53:38,619 --> 00:53:40,621
2 revised commission to revise

1279
00:53:40,621 --> 00:53:41,622
the detail site plan for building

1280
00:53:41,622 --> 00:53:43,622
b, that

1281
00:53:44,591 --> 00:53:47,594
being 145 west town center. A former --

1282
00:53:47,594 --> 00:53:51,598
a former child day care facility converting

1283
00:53:51,598 --> 00:53:53,600
it to a day care for dogs on 2.

1284
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:54,601
56 acres of property located on the

1285
00:53:54,601 --> 00:53:56,601
south

1286
00:53:57,604 --> 00:54:00,607
side of town center drive --

1287
00:54:00,607 --> 00:54:02,607
I'm sorry,

1288
00:54:02,609 --> 00:54:06,613
located on the north of the road at

1289
00:54:06,613 --> 00:54:08,613
the

1290
00:54:09,616 --> 00:54:11,616
request of

1291
00:54:12,619 --> 00:54:14,619
realtex

1292
00:54:15,622 --> 00:54:17,591
ventures being represented pie

1293
00:54:17,591 --> 00:54:18,592
terwisscha construction. We have representative

1294
00:54:18,592 --> 00:54:19,593
mary

1295
00:54:19,593 --> 00:54:20,594
paron-boswell.

1296
00:54:20,594 --> 00:54:21,595
>> good evening, commissioners.

1297
00:54:21,595 --> 00:54:23,595
this site was

1298
00:54:23,597 --> 00:54:24,598
formerly used as a children's courtyard day

1299
00:54:24,598 --> 00:54:26,598
care

1300
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,601
center. The building is approximately

1301
00:54:27,601 --> 00:54:29,601
11,000

1302
00:54:29,603 --> 00:54:30,604
square feet. There are two buildings

1303
00:54:30,604 --> 00:54:33,604
on this lot and they

1304
00:54:33,607 --> 00:54:35,607
do share parking.

1305
00:54:35,609 --> 00:54:36,610
145 town center, shown there in the

1306
00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:38,610
gray, is

1307
00:54:38,612 --> 00:54:40,614
proposed to be converted to a dog

1308
00:54:40,614 --> 00:54:43,617
day care center and also offering

1309
00:54:43,617 --> 00:54:47,217
overnight accommodations. The site will remain

1310
00:54:48,622 --> 00:54:50,622
cell

1311
00:54:50,624 --> 00:54:51,592
relatively the same and it will be

1312
00:54:51,592 --> 00:54:53,592
divided into

1313
00:54:54,595 --> 00:54:56,597
play yard as you can see to the north for

1314
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:57,598
small, medium and large dogs as well

1315
00:54:57,598 --> 00:54:58,599
as an area for dogs

1316
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:00,601
to relief themselves and there is

1317
00:55:00,601 --> 00:55:02,601
an existing black,

1318
00:55:02,603 --> 00:55:03,604
chain link fence that will remain.

1319
00:55:03,604 --> 00:55:05,604
they'll be

1320
00:55:06,607 --> 00:55:07,608
placing a new 8' board on board fence along

1321
00:55:07,608 --> 00:55:09,610
the southern property line. The western

1322
00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:11,610
property line has

1323
00:55:12,613 --> 00:55:15,616
an existing 6' brick wall that

1324
00:55:15,616 --> 00:55:18,160
will remain. They will

1325
00:55:18,619 --> 00:55:20,621
also be sharing a trash

1326
00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:24,591
enclosure that is down in the lower left of the screen.

1327
00:55:24,591 --> 00:55:25,592
so

1328
00:55:25,592 --> 00:55:27,594
the building itself, like I said,

1329
00:55:27,594 --> 00:55:28,595
is about

1330
00:55:28,595 --> 00:55:30,597
11,000 square feet and the interior

1331
00:55:30,597 --> 00:55:32,597
will be renovated

1332
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,602
to include various dog

1333
00:55:35,602 --> 00:55:39,202
play areas. Food, prep and storage

1334
00:55:39,606 --> 00:55:41,608
areas, a grooming area and

1335
00:55:41,608 --> 00:55:42,609
suites for up to 71 dogs and there will

1336
00:55:42,609 --> 00:55:43,610
be a waiting area

1337
00:55:43,610 --> 00:55:45,612
up front with a reception area, office and staff

1338
00:55:45,612 --> 00:55:47,612
area.

1339
00:55:51,618 --> 00:55:53,620
they are proposing a

1340
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:54,621
you new wall sign that meets sign

1341
00:55:54,621 --> 00:55:56,621
requirements.

1342
00:55:57,591 --> 00:55:58,592
in terms of

1343
00:55:58,592 --> 00:56:00,594
landscaping, there are no plans to

1344
00:56:00,594 --> 00:56:02,594
change the landscaping

1345
00:56:02,596 --> 00:56:03,597
on site. Staff is working with the

1346
00:56:03,597 --> 00:56:05,597
applicant to identify

1347
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:06,600
any landscaping that may have died

1348
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,600
over time

1349
00:56:09,603 --> 00:56:11,605
and needs to be replaced. Staff

1350
00:56:11,605 --> 00:56:12,606
is proposing a condition that they

1351
00:56:12,606 --> 00:56:13,607
replace any

1352
00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:15,609
landscaping that is currently missing

1353
00:56:15,609 --> 00:56:17,609
or dead.

1354
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,599
>>>

1355
00:56:41,602 --> 00:56:42,603
the general concerns were noise, traffic,

1356
00:56:42,603 --> 00:56:44,603
odor,

1357
00:56:44,605 --> 00:56:47,500
sanitation, a decrease in

1358
00:56:47,608 --> 00:56:49,608
the

1359
00:56:50,611 --> 00:56:53,611
quality of life and a

1360
00:57:02,623 --> 00:57:05,230
decrease in property values.

1361
00:57:08,595 --> 00:57:11,595
I did hand you a

1362
00:57:11,598 --> 00:57:14,601
sign in sheet. There was a

1363
00:57:14,601 --> 00:57:16,603
petition signed and handed to us. There

1364
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:17,604
was additional signatures on the petition

1365
00:57:17,604 --> 00:57:20,604
but I reached out to

1366
00:57:20,607 --> 00:57:22,607
that

1367
00:57:25,612 --> 00:57:26,613
person who was collecting them. Because

1368
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:28,613
they sent me,

1369
00:57:29,616 --> 00:57:32,619
some j. Pegs and I wasn't able

1370
00:57:32,619 --> 00:57:35,622
to read them. I reached out to ask them

1371
00:57:35,622 --> 00:57:38,592
for the paper copies so

1372
00:57:38,592 --> 00:57:41,595
we can add them to the

1373
00:57:41,595 --> 00:57:43,595
records. Staff

1374
00:57:44,598 --> 00:57:47,601
is recommending approval to the request

1375
00:57:47,601 --> 00:57:50,601
subject to conditions. Two that

1376
00:57:50,604 --> 00:57:52,604
the

1377
00:57:53,607 --> 00:57:55,607
applicant

1378
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:57,611
replace any missing landscaping and allow

1379
00:57:57,611 --> 00:57:58,612
staff

1380
00:57:58,612 --> 00:57:59,613
to update any landscaping. That is

1381
00:57:59,613 --> 00:58:01,613
the end of

1382
00:58:01,615 --> 00:58:02,616
my report.

1383
00:58:02,616 --> 00:58:03,617
>> with regard to some

1384
00:58:03,617 --> 00:58:05,619
of the previous similar type land uses

1385
00:58:05,619 --> 00:58:07,621
in other parts of town. When they

1386
00:58:07,621 --> 00:58:08,622
came through the process, have there

1387
00:58:08,622 --> 00:58:10,622
have been any

1388
00:58:10,624 --> 00:58:11,592
complaints, any formal complaints

1389
00:58:11,592 --> 00:58:13,992
with regard to those

1390
00:58:14,595 --> 00:58:16,597
uses for noise, nuisance, any of

1391
00:58:16,597 --> 00:58:17,598
those kinds of things?

1392
00:58:17,598 --> 00:58:18,599
>> not to my

1393
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:19,600
knowledge.

1394
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:20,601
>> I'm sorry. >>

1395
00:58:20,601 --> 00:58:22,603
no, sir not to

1396
00:58:22,603 --> 00:58:23,604
my knowledge.

1397
00:58:23,604 --> 00:58:24,605
>> okay. But you checked

1398
00:58:24,605 --> 00:58:26,605
if there

1399
00:58:26,607 --> 00:58:28,607
was any

1400
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:29,610
complaints?

1401
00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:32,610
>> right because we've done like

1402
00:58:32,613 --> 00:58:34,613
the doggy day

1403
00:58:34,615 --> 00:58:35,616
care, which is not there anymore. But

1404
00:58:35,616 --> 00:58:37,616
I haven't

1405
00:58:38,619 --> 00:58:41,622
had anyone else --I think people

1406
00:58:41,622 --> 00:58:44,591
earlier that lived like further

1407
00:58:44,591 --> 00:58:47,594
away had come in during the zoning process. But after

1408
00:58:47,594 --> 00:58:49,994
they did not, no

1409
00:58:50,597 --> 00:58:51,598
one came in. I haven't heard any complaints.

1410
00:58:51,598 --> 00:58:54,598
>> okay. Any questions of staff?

1411
00:58:56,603 --> 00:58:58,603
by the

1412
00:58:59,606 --> 00:59:00,607
commission?

1413
00:59:00,607 --> 00:59:02,607
>>

1414
00:59:02,609 --> 00:59:03,610
mary.

1415
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:05,610
>> yeah. >> what kind

1416
00:59:05,612 --> 00:59:08,612
of fencing is -- sampson

1417
00:59:08,615 --> 00:59:11,150
drive. Residences from all

1418
00:59:11,618 --> 00:59:13,618
of

1419
00:59:14,621 --> 00:59:16,621
the activity

1420
00:59:17,591 --> 00:59:18,592
to south of sampson drive?

1421
00:59:18,592 --> 00:59:19,593
>> I'm

1422
00:59:19,593 --> 00:59:20,594
not

1423
00:59:20,594 --> 00:59:21,595
sure honestly.

1424
00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:23,595
>>

1425
00:59:23,597 --> 00:59:25,597
sir, we'll get

1426
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,600
to

1427
00:59:32,606 --> 00:59:33,607
you shortly.

1428
00:59:33,607 --> 00:59:34,608
>> okay. >> I don't know. And

1429
00:59:34,608 --> 00:59:35,609
remember,

1430
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:36,610
so thank you.

1431
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:37,611
>> any other questions

1432
00:59:37,611 --> 00:59:38,612
of staff by the commission?

1433
00:59:38,612 --> 00:59:39,613
>> is

1434
00:59:39,613 --> 00:59:40,614
the,

1435
00:59:40,614 --> 00:59:41,615
so did I understand that the prior

1436
00:59:41,615 --> 00:59:43,615
zoning landscaping plan

1437
00:59:43,617 --> 00:59:44,618
has been incorporated into what we

1438
00:59:44,618 --> 00:59:46,618
see in this

1439
00:59:47,621 --> 00:59:51,221
plan, or it will be part

1440
00:59:51,592 --> 00:59:52,593
of terms and conditions?

1441
00:59:52,593 --> 00:59:53,594
>> so,

1442
00:59:53,594 --> 00:59:54,595
when we were reviewing the plans,

1443
00:59:54,595 --> 00:59:55,596
they basically

1444
00:59:55,596 --> 00:59:56,597
told us that they weren't planning

1445
00:59:56,597 --> 00:59:57,598
on changing anything. So our response

1446
00:59:57,598 --> 00:59:59,598
was well,

1447
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,601
we need to go, we need you to make

1448
01:00:00,601 --> 01:00:02,601
sure that,

1449
01:00:02,603 --> 01:00:03,604
everything that was supposed to be

1450
01:00:03,604 --> 01:00:05,604
there is

1451
01:00:05,606 --> 01:00:06,607
still there. And if not, go back and replace

1452
01:00:06,607 --> 01:00:08,607
it. Because we

1453
01:00:08,609 --> 01:00:09,610
have had the freeze over the last

1454
01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:11,610
couple

1455
01:00:12,613 --> 01:00:15,616
of years and, things just die naturally. So

1456
01:00:15,616 --> 01:00:16,617
we like them

1457
01:00:16,617 --> 01:00:20,217
to replace anything that, has died

1458
01:00:20,621 --> 01:00:24,591
off or is missing and in response

1459
01:00:24,591 --> 01:00:25,592
to your question. Does look

1460
01:00:25,592 --> 01:00:26,593
like there's a, a brick wall. That

1461
01:00:26,593 --> 01:00:27,594
has been pulled up.

1462
01:00:27,594 --> 01:00:31,194
>> on the north side of town.

1463
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,600
>> mayor,

1464
01:00:35,602 --> 01:00:36,603
--mary, can you pull up the map that has

1465
01:00:36,603 --> 01:00:38,603
the location

1466
01:00:38,605 --> 01:00:39,606
of the feed back we received from

1467
01:00:39,606 --> 01:00:41,606
the public. Okay,

1468
01:00:42,609 --> 01:00:44,611
so we have the 200

1469
01:00:44,611 --> 01:00:48,615
on the top left and the 800 on the

1470
01:00:48,615 --> 01:00:50,615
top

1471
01:00:51,618 --> 01:00:52,619
right. Our screens

1472
01:00:52,619 --> 01:00:53,620
are blanking out here.

1473
01:00:53,620 --> 01:00:54,621
>> yeah, sorry. So

1474
01:00:54,621 --> 01:00:56,621
the one on

1475
01:00:57,624 --> 01:00:59,593
the bottom

1476
01:00:59,593 --> 01:01:00,594
right is the 800. It doesn't include

1477
01:01:00,594 --> 01:01:02,594
all

1478
01:01:03,597 --> 01:01:04,598
the 200s.

1479
01:01:04,598 --> 01:01:06,598
>> okay. >> okay,

1480
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,601
very

1481
01:01:07,601 --> 01:01:09,603
good. Is the applicant here to present

1482
01:01:09,603 --> 01:01:10,604
the case?

1483
01:01:10,604 --> 01:01:12,604
>> good afternoon. >> name

1484
01:01:12,606 --> 01:01:15,606
and address for the record

1485
01:01:15,609 --> 01:01:16,610
please.

1486
01:01:16,610 --> 01:01:18,610
>> my name

1487
01:01:18,612 --> 01:01:20,612
is nada javon

1488
01:01:21,615 --> 01:01:23,615
I'm the

1489
01:01:27,621 --> 01:01:30,624
owner of excellent pet club. I'm

1490
01:01:30,624 --> 01:01:34,824
an infectious disease by profession. Actually I

1491
01:01:35,596 --> 01:01:36,597
respect the neighbor's concerns. I

1492
01:01:36,597 --> 01:01:38,599
understand that. Buff if

1493
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:42,603
I can briefly address all those concerns. I'll

1494
01:01:42,603 --> 01:01:45,606
be happy. It's going to be

1495
01:01:45,606 --> 01:01:48,600
very well managed and

1496
01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:49,610
all time supervised by

1497
01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:51,612
our well trained and certified staff. So

1498
01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,614
the dogs at the

1499
01:01:53,614 --> 01:01:56,617
beginning are going to be evaluated. And

1500
01:01:56,617 --> 01:01:57,618
based on their temperament, their age,

1501
01:01:57,618 --> 01:01:59,618
their size and

1502
01:01:59,620 --> 01:02:00,621
even their type of the play they would

1503
01:02:00,621 --> 01:02:02,621
like, they will

1504
01:02:03,624 --> 01:02:06,593
be grouped and they will be supervised. So

1505
01:02:06,593 --> 01:02:07,594
most of the time, they

1506
01:02:07,594 --> 01:02:09,596
will be kept inside. We have the two

1507
01:02:09,596 --> 01:02:11,596
play

1508
01:02:11,598 --> 01:02:12,599
group indoor play group and we also have

1509
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:14,601
the enrichment room. So it's

1510
01:02:14,601 --> 01:02:16,603
going to be, they're going to be involved

1511
01:02:16,603 --> 01:02:18,605
with the enrichment activity all the time. And

1512
01:02:18,605 --> 01:02:20,605
about the noise,

1513
01:02:21,608 --> 01:02:22,609
they will be in

1514
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:24,611
a smaller group, all the time. Supervised

1515
01:02:24,611 --> 01:02:26,611
by

1516
01:02:27,614 --> 01:02:30,617
staff. And not all the time

1517
01:02:30,617 --> 01:02:32,617
outside. It's going

1518
01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:34,621
to be from 10:00

1519
01:02:34,621 --> 01:02:36,623
a.m. To 5:00 p.m. Rotation. Some part

1520
01:02:36,623 --> 01:02:37,624
outside,

1521
01:02:37,624 --> 01:02:39,593
some part inside and sometime resting. For

1522
01:02:39,593 --> 01:02:41,593
the cleanliness, as

1523
01:02:42,596 --> 01:02:45,599
I said I'm a scientist. So cleanliness

1524
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:46,600
is my first priority. The

1525
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,602
trash will be picked up immediately. We

1526
01:02:48,602 --> 01:02:49,603
will have a contract

1527
01:02:49,603 --> 01:02:51,605
with a commercial. So they will pick

1528
01:02:51,605 --> 01:02:53,605
up

1529
01:02:54,608 --> 01:02:57,611
the trash three times a week. So there's no

1530
01:02:57,611 --> 01:03:00,611
issue with the cleanliness and

1531
01:03:00,614 --> 01:03:01,615
with the odor, we have the protocols

1532
01:03:01,615 --> 01:03:03,615
to

1533
01:03:03,617 --> 01:03:06,170
clean the play area

1534
01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:09,200
outside and all with

1535
01:03:09,623 --> 01:03:11,592
the doggy safe, you know the

1536
01:03:11,592 --> 01:03:12,593
material and take liquid to clean

1537
01:03:12,593 --> 01:03:14,593
them. And

1538
01:03:15,596 --> 01:03:17,596
about the traffic,

1539
01:03:17,598 --> 01:03:18,599
one of the concerns actually it's because

1540
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:20,999
the --it used to

1541
01:03:21,602 --> 01:03:24,605
be a doggy day care we're going to follow

1542
01:03:24,605 --> 01:03:27,608
the same pattern. Drop off and

1543
01:03:27,608 --> 01:03:30,611
pick up the dogs during the

1544
01:03:30,611 --> 01:03:31,612
day. But we also will offer

1545
01:03:31,612 --> 01:03:33,614
the kind of, the valet drop off. So

1546
01:03:33,614 --> 01:03:34,615
one of the staff is going to bring

1547
01:03:34,615 --> 01:03:36,615
the

1548
01:03:36,617 --> 01:03:39,620
dog to the car and one of

1549
01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:41,620
the staff

1550
01:03:42,623 --> 01:03:45,592
in the morning they will get

1551
01:03:45,592 --> 01:03:47,592
them inside. And

1552
01:03:48,595 --> 01:03:50,995
sorry I forgot what

1553
01:03:54,601 --> 01:03:55,602
was the other concern.

1554
01:03:55,602 --> 01:03:57,602
>>

1555
01:03:57,604 --> 01:03:59,604
I actually have

1556
01:04:00,607 --> 01:04:01,608
a question. Tell me what your

1557
01:04:01,608 --> 01:04:02,609
plan is specifically with waste.

1558
01:04:02,609 --> 01:04:03,610
>> the

1559
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:05,610
waste will be

1560
01:04:05,612 --> 01:04:06,613
picked up immediately by a staff. They

1561
01:04:06,613 --> 01:04:08,615
will seal a bag

1562
01:04:08,615 --> 01:04:09,616
and we will put it in the trash with a

1563
01:04:09,616 --> 01:04:11,616
secure lid. And

1564
01:04:12,619 --> 01:04:14,619
they

1565
01:04:14,621 --> 01:04:15,622
will collect them, we will store them

1566
01:04:15,622 --> 01:04:16,623
in the drums are outside and

1567
01:04:16,623 --> 01:04:18,592
they will collect them three times

1568
01:04:18,592 --> 01:04:19,593
a week.

1569
01:04:19,593 --> 01:04:21,595
>> at any point will there

1570
01:04:21,595 --> 01:04:23,595
be open

1571
01:04:27,601 --> 01:04:28,602
waste.

1572
01:04:28,602 --> 01:04:30,602
>> no not at

1573
01:04:36,610 --> 01:04:37,611
all.

1574
01:04:37,611 --> 01:04:39,613
>> okay, thank you. >> -->> is your mic on. >>

1575
01:04:39,613 --> 01:04:41,615
it's going to be

1576
01:04:41,615 --> 01:04:44,618
group play. And like I said, it's

1577
01:04:44,618 --> 01:04:45,619
going to be enrichment type play. We

1578
01:04:45,619 --> 01:04:46,620
will have

1579
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:48,622
enrichment outside. They will take

1580
01:04:48,622 --> 01:04:50,624
with their handler, you know

1581
01:04:50,624 --> 01:04:51,592
our staff outside. They will play

1582
01:04:51,592 --> 01:04:53,592
like

1583
01:04:54,595 --> 01:04:56,597
the one on one play

1584
01:04:56,597 --> 01:04:57,598
or they will have enrichment and they

1585
01:04:57,598 --> 01:04:59,598
will bring them

1586
01:05:00,601 --> 01:05:03,601
inside. It's not going to

1587
01:05:03,604 --> 01:05:06,607
be the whole day without supervision. If

1588
01:05:06,607 --> 01:05:09,607
any parking access happens they

1589
01:05:09,610 --> 01:05:11,610
will redirect, they

1590
01:05:12,613 --> 01:05:13,614
will try to redirect their attention

1591
01:05:13,614 --> 01:05:15,614
and

1592
01:05:15,616 --> 01:05:18,619
if some of the --thaeup --they will

1593
01:05:18,619 --> 01:05:19,620
put them in a

1594
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:21,622
time out and they will bring them

1595
01:05:21,622 --> 01:05:22,623
inside.

1596
01:05:22,623 --> 01:05:24,591
>> you mentioned

1597
01:05:24,591 --> 01:05:26,593
they're not going to

1598
01:05:26,593 --> 01:05:27,594
be outside for long?

1599
01:05:27,594 --> 01:05:28,595
>> no, no. Unsupervised

1600
01:05:28,595 --> 01:05:30,597
actually. Each play session is going

1601
01:05:30,597 --> 01:05:32,597
to be

1602
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:33,600
20 minutes for a small group. Like,

1603
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,603
five to 10 dogs with one handler

1604
01:05:36,603 --> 01:05:39,606
it's going to be 20 minutes outside

1605
01:05:39,606 --> 01:05:42,606
with as I said it's

1606
01:05:42,609 --> 01:05:43,610
not like the frilly play. It's going

1607
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:45,612
to be enrichment play with

1608
01:05:45,612 --> 01:05:47,612
going to

1609
01:05:48,615 --> 01:05:51,150
the farm and then

1610
01:05:51,618 --> 01:05:53,618
coming back

1611
01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:54,621
inside. To engage them mentally and physically

1612
01:05:54,621 --> 01:05:56,623
all the time. Dogs

1613
01:05:56,623 --> 01:05:58,592
bark when they're bored. So they're

1614
01:05:58,592 --> 01:06:00,592
not

1615
01:06:00,594 --> 01:06:01,595
going to bark.

1616
01:06:01,595 --> 01:06:02,596
>> so you say small,

1617
01:06:02,596 --> 01:06:03,597
medium large and it's an hour. So

1618
01:06:03,597 --> 01:06:04,598
they're only outside one hour of the day.

1619
01:06:04,598 --> 01:06:05,599
>>

1620
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:06,600
two

1621
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,601
times outside. And the rest is going to

1622
01:06:07,601 --> 01:06:09,601
be inside

1623
01:06:09,603 --> 01:06:10,604
with exercise that we will have. And

1624
01:06:10,604 --> 01:06:12,604
with the play

1625
01:06:13,607 --> 01:06:16,610
area inside. And also they will

1626
01:06:16,610 --> 01:06:18,610
rest

1627
01:06:18,612 --> 01:06:19,613
most of the time you know. Doggy needs 16

1628
01:06:19,613 --> 01:06:20,614
hours of sleep.

1629
01:06:20,614 --> 01:06:22,614
>>

1630
01:06:22,616 --> 01:06:24,616
I have some

1631
01:06:24,618 --> 01:06:25,619
questions. I'm not familiar. I don't

1632
01:06:25,619 --> 01:06:27,619
have

1633
01:06:27,621 --> 01:06:28,622
dogs but what's involved with enrichment?

1634
01:06:28,622 --> 01:06:29,623
>>

1635
01:06:29,623 --> 01:06:31,592
enrichment,

1636
01:06:31,592 --> 01:06:34,592
the means of enrichment, make

1637
01:06:34,595 --> 01:06:36,595
them physically and

1638
01:06:37,598 --> 01:06:38,599
mentally engaged with some play

1639
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:40,601
like the sniffing, and play or exercise

1640
01:06:40,601 --> 01:06:42,601
like

1641
01:06:43,604 --> 01:06:44,605
doggy

1642
01:06:44,605 --> 01:06:45,606
treadmill or something like that.

1643
01:06:45,606 --> 01:06:46,607
>>

1644
01:06:46,607 --> 01:06:48,607
and then with

1645
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:51,612
regards to the valet or any type of

1646
01:06:51,612 --> 01:06:52,613
drop off. How is that typically done? Are

1647
01:06:52,613 --> 01:06:54,613
the dogs on

1648
01:06:55,616 --> 01:06:56,617
leash from?

1649
01:06:56,617 --> 01:06:57,618
>> yes,

1650
01:06:57,618 --> 01:06:58,619
of course.

1651
01:06:58,619 --> 01:06:59,620
>> that's like a mandatory? >>

1652
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:01,620
yes, it's

1653
01:07:01,622 --> 01:07:02,623
mandatory.

1654
01:07:02,623 --> 01:07:03,624
>> if there is valet

1655
01:07:03,624 --> 01:07:04,625
service offered they're coming out, they're

1656
01:07:04,625 --> 01:07:07,594
leashed. So there's no time where they're

1657
01:07:07,594 --> 01:07:08,595
not leashed.

1658
01:07:08,595 --> 01:07:10,595
>> no, not

1659
01:07:10,597 --> 01:07:13,600
at all. Otherwise in the play

1660
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:14,601
area which is enclosed.

1661
01:07:14,601 --> 01:07:15,602
>> at

1662
01:07:15,602 --> 01:07:16,603
the out outset of your presentation. Did

1663
01:07:16,603 --> 01:07:17,604
I

1664
01:07:17,604 --> 01:07:18,605
hear you say this particular building.

1665
01:07:18,605 --> 01:07:19,606
>>

1666
01:07:19,606 --> 01:07:20,607
a kids day care.

1667
01:07:20,607 --> 01:07:21,608
>> it

1668
01:07:21,608 --> 01:07:22,609
was a kids day care. I thought I heard

1669
01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:24,611
you say it was

1670
01:07:24,611 --> 01:07:25,612
a dog's day care.

1671
01:07:25,612 --> 01:07:28,612
>> no it was a kid's

1672
01:07:28,615 --> 01:07:29,616
day care.

1673
01:07:29,616 --> 01:07:31,616
>> and then we

1674
01:07:31,618 --> 01:07:33,618
have the

1675
01:07:36,623 --> 01:07:37,624
waste removal. Okay most of the time. And

1676
01:07:37,624 --> 01:07:38,592
then, you

1677
01:07:38,592 --> 01:07:40,594
said outside, no that's the removal

1678
01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,594
three times a week of

1679
01:07:43,597 --> 01:07:44,598
waste.

1680
01:07:44,598 --> 01:07:46,598
>> three times per

1681
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:47,601
week.

1682
01:07:47,601 --> 01:07:49,601
>>

1683
01:07:49,603 --> 01:07:51,603
three times per

1684
01:07:51,605 --> 01:07:52,606
week. Okay.

1685
01:07:52,606 --> 01:07:53,607
>> thank you. >> ma'am,

1686
01:07:53,607 --> 01:07:54,608
where

1687
01:07:54,608 --> 01:07:55,609
exactly outside will the dogs be playing?

1688
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:56,610
>>

1689
01:07:56,610 --> 01:07:58,610
those

1690
01:07:58,612 --> 01:07:59,613
two big rooms and the north

1691
01:07:59,613 --> 01:08:00,614
side is enrichment room. Outside you mean.

1692
01:08:00,614 --> 01:08:01,615
>>

1693
01:08:01,615 --> 01:08:02,616
yes, yes.

1694
01:08:02,616 --> 01:08:04,616
>>

1695
01:08:04,618 --> 01:08:06,618
no, it's the

1696
01:08:07,621 --> 01:08:10,621
next one. Those two blue

1697
01:08:10,624 --> 01:08:12,593
one. And we will

1698
01:08:12,593 --> 01:08:16,597
have the, the farm enrichment farm. And

1699
01:08:16,597 --> 01:08:17,598
it's going to

1700
01:08:17,598 --> 01:08:19,600
be there, you know sorry relieving

1701
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,601
area.

1702
01:08:20,601 --> 01:08:22,601
>> will any

1703
01:08:22,603 --> 01:08:23,604
of those areas be fenced?

1704
01:08:23,604 --> 01:08:24,605
>> all of

1705
01:08:24,605 --> 01:08:25,606
them are fenced.

1706
01:08:25,606 --> 01:08:26,607
>> solid fencing,

1707
01:08:26,607 --> 01:08:28,607
what kind

1708
01:08:28,609 --> 01:08:29,610
of fencing.

1709
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:31,610
>>

1710
01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:33,612
inside it's going

1711
01:08:34,615 --> 01:08:36,615
to

1712
01:08:36,617 --> 01:08:37,618
be wire fence.

1713
01:08:37,618 --> 01:08:38,619
>> excuse me. >> wire

1714
01:08:38,619 --> 01:08:40,621
fence. But outside it's

1715
01:08:40,621 --> 01:08:41,622
going to be wood.

1716
01:08:41,622 --> 01:08:43,622
>>

1717
01:08:46,593 --> 01:08:49,596
that's where you said board on

1718
01:08:49,596 --> 01:08:50,597
board.

1719
01:08:50,597 --> 01:08:52,599
>> yes. >> okay, okay thank you. So I saw the first. >>

1720
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:53,600
I just had a quick question. You had

1721
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,601
mentioned

1722
01:08:54,601 --> 01:08:58,605
that the dogs would only be outside between

1723
01:08:58,605 --> 01:08:59,606
the hours

1724
01:08:59,606 --> 01:09:00,607
of 10:00 a.m. And 5:00 p.m.

1725
01:09:00,607 --> 01:09:01,608
>> yes. >> so after 5:00 p.m., dog -- >> they

1726
01:09:01,608 --> 01:09:03,610
will be inside and our operation times is

1727
01:09:03,610 --> 01:09:04,611
going to be 7:00 a.m. To 7:00 p.m. So

1728
01:09:04,611 --> 01:09:06,611
we don't have

1729
01:09:07,614 --> 01:09:10,617
any day care. So they will go to

1730
01:09:10,617 --> 01:09:12,617
their resting area

1731
01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:14,621
to the --

1732
01:09:14,621 --> 01:09:15,622
>> so they won't be

1733
01:09:15,622 --> 01:09:16,623
playing outside before 10:00 a.m.

1734
01:09:16,623 --> 01:09:17,624
or after 4:00 p.m.

1735
01:09:17,624 --> 01:09:18,592
>>

1736
01:09:18,592 --> 01:09:19,593
no, we don't have to.

1737
01:09:19,593 --> 01:09:20,594
>> before I

1738
01:09:20,594 --> 01:09:21,595
make

1739
01:09:21,595 --> 01:09:22,596
assumptions of the words being used. The

1740
01:09:22,596 --> 01:09:24,596
two

1741
01:09:24,598 --> 01:09:25,599
areas off to the it'll be on the north

1742
01:09:25,599 --> 01:09:27,599
side and

1743
01:09:28,602 --> 01:09:31,602
south side of the building

1744
01:09:31,605 --> 01:09:33,607
that we refer to as

1745
01:09:33,607 --> 01:09:34,608
relief areas.

1746
01:09:34,608 --> 01:09:35,609
>> yes. >> are those,

1747
01:09:35,609 --> 01:09:37,611
are they relieving themselves in those areas

1748
01:09:37,611 --> 01:09:38,612
or is it --

1749
01:09:38,612 --> 01:09:39,613
>>

1750
01:09:39,613 --> 01:09:40,614
you know for the boarding dogs, we

1751
01:09:40,614 --> 01:09:42,614
will

1752
01:09:42,616 --> 01:09:43,617
have the --in the morning time. We will immediately

1753
01:09:43,617 --> 01:09:46,617
after they wake up at

1754
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:48,622
the 7:00 a.m. We will take them to

1755
01:09:48,622 --> 01:09:49,623
the relief area. So of course they

1756
01:09:49,623 --> 01:09:52,230
will relieving in the

1757
01:09:52,593 --> 01:09:53,594
other area too. But that's just for

1758
01:09:53,594 --> 01:09:54,595
morning and for the boarding dogs.

1759
01:09:54,595 --> 01:09:55,596
>>

1760
01:09:55,596 --> 01:09:58,599
is it fair to ask to

1761
01:09:58,599 --> 01:10:01,599
only have relief area on

1762
01:10:01,602 --> 01:10:03,602
one

1763
01:10:04,605 --> 01:10:06,607
side of that property and

1764
01:10:06,607 --> 01:10:07,608
preferably on the south side.

1765
01:10:07,608 --> 01:10:08,609
>> we

1766
01:10:08,609 --> 01:10:09,610
have the area on

1767
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:10,611
the right for the smaller dog and on

1768
01:10:10,611 --> 01:10:12,611
the

1769
01:10:12,613 --> 01:10:13,614
left side, yes that one and this one.

1770
01:10:13,614 --> 01:10:14,615
>>

1771
01:10:14,615 --> 01:10:16,615
my

1772
01:10:16,617 --> 01:10:19,620
question is can that one on the

1773
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:22,620
north side be consolidated to

1774
01:10:22,623 --> 01:10:25,592
the south side so that it

1775
01:10:25,592 --> 01:10:27,592
is further

1776
01:10:28,595 --> 01:10:30,595
away from the

1777
01:10:30,597 --> 01:10:31,598
north property and the adjacent community.

1778
01:10:31,598 --> 01:10:32,599
>>

1779
01:10:32,599 --> 01:10:34,599
yeah, it can

1780
01:10:34,601 --> 01:10:35,602
change.

1781
01:10:35,602 --> 01:10:37,602
>> that just allows

1782
01:10:37,604 --> 01:10:38,605
greater distance.

1783
01:10:38,605 --> 01:10:40,605
>>

1784
01:10:40,607 --> 01:10:43,610
yeah, I will share this with our

1785
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:44,611
contract.

1786
01:10:44,611 --> 01:10:45,612
>> any other

1787
01:10:45,612 --> 01:10:49,212
questions of the applicant? Okay. I

1788
01:10:49,616 --> 01:10:51,616
wish we could

1789
01:10:52,619 --> 01:10:54,621
let cindy in. But, sorry, our screens are cutting

1790
01:10:54,621 --> 01:10:55,622
out. Maybe you can text or something

1791
01:10:55,622 --> 01:10:56,623
if you have questionless. But what

1792
01:10:56,623 --> 01:10:58,592
was

1793
01:10:58,592 --> 01:11:00,594
the right to ask you to

1794
01:11:00,594 --> 01:11:01,595
come back after the public hearing. Okay. Very

1795
01:11:01,595 --> 01:11:04,595
good. All right, so we

1796
01:11:04,598 --> 01:11:07,598
have several folks that have

1797
01:11:07,601 --> 01:11:10,604
signed up for this case. So, we appreciate you

1798
01:11:10,604 --> 01:11:13,604
coming out. You will have

1799
01:11:13,607 --> 01:11:15,609
three minutes to speak. No more than three

1800
01:11:15,609 --> 01:11:16,610
minutes. Cami if you can raise your hand. Maybe

1801
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:18,610
they have 30

1802
01:11:19,613 --> 01:11:22,613
seconds to start wrapping it

1803
01:11:22,616 --> 01:11:24,618
up. But we want to

1804
01:11:24,618 --> 01:11:25,619
try to get to everybody. So I will

1805
01:11:25,619 --> 01:11:26,620
call names

1806
01:11:26,620 --> 01:11:28,622
first person then followed by so that

1807
01:11:28,622 --> 01:11:31,220
the next person can

1808
01:11:31,625 --> 01:11:34,595
get ready and we can move

1809
01:11:34,595 --> 01:11:37,595
through this fairly quickly. We

1810
01:11:37,598 --> 01:11:39,598
will

1811
01:11:40,601 --> 01:11:43,604
start out with pete sup erack

1812
01:11:43,604 --> 01:11:44,605
and to be followed by sarah sanders and

1813
01:11:44,605 --> 01:11:45,606
brandon gros.

1814
01:11:45,606 --> 01:11:46,607
>> apologize for the

1815
01:11:46,607 --> 01:11:49,610
fence comment. This is my first one. So

1816
01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:51,610
good evening and

1817
01:11:52,613 --> 01:11:55,130
thanks for the opportunity,

1818
01:11:55,616 --> 01:11:58,619
my name is pete superack. The property

1819
01:11:58,619 --> 01:12:00,619
is under construction,

1820
01:12:01,622 --> 01:12:02,623
the property under construction

1821
01:12:02,623 --> 01:12:04,625
for rezoning is located right behind

1822
01:12:04,625 --> 01:12:07,250
the border fence of

1823
01:12:07,594 --> 01:12:12,599
my house. I want to make it very clear, we

1824
01:12:12,599 --> 01:12:16,799
love dogs, I have two rescues. My

1825
01:12:19,606 --> 01:12:21,606
wife has

1826
01:12:22,609 --> 01:12:25,609
fostered dogs. We support small

1827
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:27,612
business. This property

1828
01:12:31,618 --> 01:12:33,618
sits

1829
01:12:34,621 --> 01:12:37,621
behind a row of residential

1830
01:12:37,624 --> 01:12:39,624
homes 11 behind fence

1831
01:12:40,594 --> 01:12:42,594
and is close

1832
01:12:42,596 --> 01:12:43,597
to two montessori schools. Many of

1833
01:12:43,597 --> 01:12:45,597
us use our

1834
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:47,601
pools, backyard spaces to relax, spend

1835
01:12:47,601 --> 01:12:49,601
time

1836
01:12:49,603 --> 01:12:50,604
with our families especially during

1837
01:12:50,604 --> 01:12:52,604
the weekends. So

1838
01:12:52,606 --> 01:12:54,606
persistent

1839
01:12:55,609 --> 01:12:58,609
barking will definitely impact the

1840
01:13:00,614 --> 01:13:05,414
quality of our life. Second, even responsible management.

1841
01:13:08,622 --> 01:13:10,622
facilities that

1842
01:13:11,625 --> 01:13:13,625
manage -- especially

1843
01:13:14,595 --> 01:13:15,596
in texas odor becomes

1844
01:13:15,596 --> 01:13:16,597
a big problem for precedents. It's

1845
01:13:16,597 --> 01:13:17,598
important to note that town center is

1846
01:13:17,598 --> 01:13:19,598
the

1847
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,602
primary rout used by the high schoolers

1848
01:13:21,602 --> 01:13:23,604
and the students that walk, use bikes

1849
01:13:23,604 --> 01:13:24,605
and scooters to

1850
01:13:24,605 --> 01:13:26,607
travel to and from schools. And then

1851
01:13:26,607 --> 01:13:28,607
finally, property value

1852
01:13:29,610 --> 01:13:31,610
for many of

1853
01:13:32,613 --> 01:13:33,614
us our homes is the single

1854
01:13:33,614 --> 01:13:35,616
biggest financial asset we own. One

1855
01:13:35,616 --> 01:13:38,160
backing up to a

1856
01:13:38,619 --> 01:13:40,619
doggy day care

1857
01:13:44,625 --> 01:13:46,625
and

1858
01:13:47,594 --> 01:13:49,594
one that does

1859
01:13:49,596 --> 01:13:50,597
not. So even under ideal management. There

1860
01:13:50,597 --> 01:13:52,599
are no perfect fences that

1861
01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:53,600
are going to stop dogs from barking. There

1862
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,000
are no trash bins

1863
01:13:56,603 --> 01:13:58,605
no matter how you

1864
01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:02,609
seal it that is going to eliminate

1865
01:14:02,609 --> 01:14:05,612
hot odor especially on a hot texas

1866
01:14:05,612 --> 01:14:08,612
day. On the evening that's

1867
01:14:08,615 --> 01:14:10,615
when

1868
01:14:11,618 --> 01:14:14,180
I use the backyard

1869
01:14:14,621 --> 01:14:16,623
the most. There were no

1870
01:14:16,623 --> 01:14:17,624
--all the comments were about the

1871
01:14:17,624 --> 01:14:20,240
weekday, what are you

1872
01:14:20,594 --> 01:14:21,595
going to do on

1873
01:14:21,595 --> 01:14:23,597
the weekend. This is simply not the appropriate

1874
01:14:23,597 --> 01:14:25,597
location

1875
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,602
for a doggy day care. For

1876
01:14:28,602 --> 01:14:30,604
this reason, I respectfully ask the

1877
01:14:30,604 --> 01:14:32,606
committee to consider the impact this will

1878
01:14:32,606 --> 01:14:34,606
have on

1879
01:14:34,608 --> 01:14:35,609
our schools. We have already submitted

1880
01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:36,610
a petition that has

1881
01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:37,611
52 signatures with gratitude I thank

1882
01:14:37,611 --> 01:14:38,612
you for your time and consideration.

1883
01:14:38,612 --> 01:14:39,613
>>

1884
01:14:39,613 --> 01:14:40,614
okay,

1885
01:14:40,614 --> 01:14:43,617
thank you very much. Quick question

1886
01:14:43,617 --> 01:14:44,618
for you.

1887
01:14:44,618 --> 01:14:47,618
>> yes, sir. >> so you mentioned

1888
01:14:47,621 --> 01:14:49,621
increased traffic. How

1889
01:14:50,624 --> 01:14:52,593
would this be

1890
01:14:52,593 --> 01:14:53,594
increased traffic over a child care?

1891
01:14:53,594 --> 01:14:55,594
that was

1892
01:14:55,596 --> 01:14:56,597
previously there.

1893
01:14:56,597 --> 01:14:57,598
>> statistically

1894
01:14:57,598 --> 01:14:58,599
we would have to

1895
01:14:58,599 --> 01:14:59,600
measure that. 71 dogs, I don't think

1896
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,602
71 children are in that

1897
01:15:01,602 --> 01:15:05,606
day care next to it. You would have

1898
01:15:05,606 --> 01:15:06,607
to measure that.

1899
01:15:06,607 --> 01:15:08,607
>> thank

1900
01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:11,612
you. Thank you. Sarah sanders followed

1901
01:15:11,612 --> 01:15:14,615
by landon gause. And so mrs.

1902
01:15:14,615 --> 01:15:15,616
sanders you live on beachwood. Where's beachwood.

1903
01:15:15,616 --> 01:15:17,616
>>

1904
01:15:17,618 --> 01:15:19,618
across from the

1905
01:15:20,621 --> 01:15:22,621
library in town

1906
01:15:23,624 --> 01:15:26,240
center. I see it

1907
01:15:26,593 --> 01:15:28,595
now. Got you. Thank

1908
01:15:28,595 --> 01:15:29,596
you.

1909
01:15:29,596 --> 01:15:30,597
>> sarah sanders, my child attends coppell

1910
01:15:30,597 --> 01:15:32,599
montessori and my family frequently

1911
01:15:32,599 --> 01:15:33,600
commute on foot. Town center drive

1912
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:34,601
to

1913
01:15:34,601 --> 01:15:35,602
the high school on weekends and weekdays

1914
01:15:35,602 --> 01:15:37,602
and it's only

1915
01:15:38,605 --> 01:15:40,605
the only

1916
01:15:41,608 --> 01:15:44,800
paved side of that

1917
01:15:44,611 --> 01:15:46,611
street which

1918
01:15:47,614 --> 01:15:49,614
is butting up

1919
01:15:49,616 --> 01:15:50,617
against this facility. I've volunteered

1920
01:15:50,617 --> 01:15:51,618
at

1921
01:15:51,618 --> 01:15:53,620
multiple dog shelters. And I've seen

1922
01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:55,622
dogs escape their leash even

1923
01:15:55,622 --> 01:15:56,623
by trained handlers. In an area with

1924
01:15:56,623 --> 01:15:58,592
children, it is not just

1925
01:15:58,592 --> 01:15:59,593
an inconvenience it is a danger. Big

1926
01:15:59,593 --> 01:16:01,593
fan

1927
01:16:01,595 --> 01:16:02,596
of dogs, big fan of kids but those

1928
01:16:02,596 --> 01:16:04,596
two

1929
01:16:05,599 --> 01:16:07,601
don't blend well in close quarters. The

1930
01:16:07,601 --> 01:16:08,602
noise pollution with the significant

1931
01:16:08,602 --> 01:16:10,602
outdoor

1932
01:16:11,605 --> 01:16:13,607
presence like the proposed

1933
01:16:13,607 --> 01:16:14,608
facility is objectively loud, consistent and

1934
01:16:14,608 --> 01:16:17,800
uncontrollable. Even with redirection

1935
01:16:17,611 --> 01:16:18,612
and engagement. I am surprised

1936
01:16:18,612 --> 01:16:20,614
actually the city would consider putting such

1937
01:16:20,614 --> 01:16:22,616
a facility with a 71

1938
01:16:22,616 --> 01:16:23,617
dog capacity so centrally in a high

1939
01:16:23,617 --> 01:16:25,617
trafficked

1940
01:16:25,619 --> 01:16:26,620
area by people of all ages. Using

1941
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:29,200
the other two doggy

1942
01:16:29,623 --> 01:16:32,593
day cares in coppell is

1943
01:16:32,593 --> 01:16:35,596
an example. One doesn't have a designated outdoor

1944
01:16:35,596 --> 01:16:38,596
area. So they do relief

1945
01:16:38,599 --> 01:16:41,599
for dogs in the surrounding

1946
01:16:41,602 --> 01:16:43,602
runs. The other

1947
01:16:44,605 --> 01:16:46,605
has runs but

1948
01:16:47,608 --> 01:16:48,609
they're fully

1949
01:16:48,609 --> 01:16:50,611
surrounded by parking lots. Barking

1950
01:16:50,611 --> 01:16:52,611
acts

1951
01:16:53,614 --> 01:16:55,614
as a stressor

1952
01:16:56,617 --> 01:16:58,619
on children's brain and reducing cognitive

1953
01:16:58,619 --> 01:16:59,620
functions such as focus. Leading to

1954
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:00,621
the height fear or alertness. I'm

1955
01:17:00,621 --> 01:17:02,621
not

1956
01:17:02,623 --> 01:17:05,230
a scientist but I

1957
01:17:05,592 --> 01:17:06,593
do have children that walk by this

1958
01:17:06,593 --> 01:17:08,593
facility

1959
01:17:08,595 --> 01:17:10,595
every day. Town

1960
01:17:10,597 --> 01:17:11,598
center drive is the proposed facility becomes

1961
01:17:11,598 --> 01:17:13,598
a booming

1962
01:17:14,601 --> 01:17:17,601
nonstop thoroughfare five days of

1963
01:17:17,604 --> 01:17:20,400
the week. From school

1964
01:17:20,607 --> 01:17:23,607
start. After school program and

1965
01:17:24,611 --> 01:17:27,611
last week 1400 students signed on

1966
01:17:29,616 --> 01:17:32,619
for honor roll run. And many

1967
01:17:32,619 --> 01:17:34,619
of them are

1968
01:17:35,622 --> 01:17:37,624
in that same area. The

1969
01:17:37,624 --> 01:17:38,625
buses, cars, high schoolers and constant

1970
01:17:38,625 --> 01:17:40,625
noise. I

1971
01:17:41,595 --> 01:17:44,598
oppose, with kids, school staff and

1972
01:17:44,598 --> 01:17:46,600
commuters as their close

1973
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:47,601
proximity will raise stress levels

1974
01:17:47,601 --> 01:17:50,100
and negatively impact the

1975
01:17:50,604 --> 01:17:52,604
day fall. Thank

1976
01:17:52,606 --> 01:17:53,607
you.

1977
01:17:53,607 --> 01:17:54,608
>> thank you very much. Landongaus. While

1978
01:17:54,608 --> 01:17:55,609
brandon is coming

1979
01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:56,610
down. How many kids are enrolled at the

1980
01:17:56,610 --> 01:17:59,610
day care center. Do we

1981
01:17:59,613 --> 01:18:01,613
have

1982
01:18:05,619 --> 01:18:08,619
a number of capacity of

1983
01:18:11,625 --> 01:18:15,225
what was previously there? Thank you.

1984
01:18:17,598 --> 01:18:18,599
mr. Gause.

1985
01:18:18,599 --> 01:18:20,599
>> just to quickly

1986
01:18:25,606 --> 01:18:26,607
address ed haas question. Was there

1987
01:18:26,607 --> 01:18:29,607
any complaints with other doggy

1988
01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:30,611
day care. I think the reason why there was

1989
01:18:30,611 --> 01:18:32,611
no

1990
01:18:32,613 --> 01:18:34,613
complaints is

1991
01:18:35,616 --> 01:18:37,616
because the day

1992
01:18:37,618 --> 01:18:38,619
cares that were surrounded by industrial areas. That's

1993
01:18:38,619 --> 01:18:40,619
probably why

1994
01:18:41,622 --> 01:18:43,624
there isn't that many complaints. My

1995
01:18:43,624 --> 01:18:44,625
property is actually directly across the

1996
01:18:44,625 --> 01:18:46,593
fence that the dogs

1997
01:18:46,593 --> 01:18:47,594
will be playing in. And so I have

1998
01:18:47,594 --> 01:18:49,594
a

1999
01:18:50,597 --> 01:18:51,598
direct connection to this. We actually

2000
01:18:51,598 --> 01:18:53,598
walk

2001
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,602
--walked it yesterday with the kids. I

2002
01:18:55,602 --> 01:18:56,603
basically second everything that was

2003
01:18:56,603 --> 01:18:59,606
said by the previous two speakers. I'm

2004
01:18:59,606 --> 01:19:01,606
not a

2005
01:19:02,609 --> 01:19:05,612
scientist, I don't have a lot

2006
01:19:05,612 --> 01:19:08,120
of stats. Say, but

2007
01:19:08,615 --> 01:19:10,617
I think just from a selfish

2008
01:19:10,617 --> 01:19:14,217
perspective that I don't really see

2009
01:19:14,621 --> 01:19:17,621
a doggy day care being

2010
01:19:17,624 --> 01:19:19,593
near a residential area

2011
01:19:19,593 --> 01:19:20,594
as something that is conducive to

2012
01:19:20,594 --> 01:19:23,594
daily life. There's also a

2013
01:19:23,597 --> 01:19:24,598
direct child day care right next to

2014
01:19:24,598 --> 01:19:25,599
it. Right

2015
01:19:25,599 --> 01:19:27,601
next door called the children's courtyard. So

2016
01:19:27,601 --> 01:19:29,601
there's going to

2017
01:19:29,603 --> 01:19:30,604
be drop off and pick up from there

2018
01:19:30,604 --> 01:19:31,605
as well. To me

2019
01:19:31,605 --> 01:19:33,607
that seems that would be a safety

2020
01:19:33,607 --> 01:19:35,607
and liability

2021
01:19:36,610 --> 01:19:37,611
issue as well. If a dog were

2022
01:19:37,611 --> 01:19:39,613
to get off leash, kids five and under

2023
01:19:39,613 --> 01:19:41,613
are statistically

2024
01:19:41,615 --> 01:19:42,616
even as I said I don't have any statistic,

2025
01:19:42,616 --> 01:19:44,616
kids five

2026
01:19:45,619 --> 01:19:48,190
and under are more

2027
01:19:48,622 --> 01:19:50,622
likely to get

2028
01:19:50,624 --> 01:19:53,594
bit by a dog. Sanitation was covered. I

2029
01:19:53,594 --> 01:19:54,595
don't really have much else. I think

2030
01:19:54,595 --> 01:19:57,595
they covered really everything that's

2031
01:19:57,598 --> 01:19:58,599
involved. But,

2032
01:19:58,599 --> 01:20:00,601
I just hope that we use common sense

2033
01:20:00,601 --> 01:20:03,601
here. And that there are

2034
01:20:03,604 --> 01:20:06,400
other properties that could

2035
01:20:06,607 --> 01:20:09,610
be used for this. So, I thank

2036
01:20:09,610 --> 01:20:11,610
you for your

2037
01:20:11,612 --> 01:20:12,613
time.

2038
01:20:12,613 --> 01:20:15,130
>> thank you. >> vicki rice

2039
01:20:15,616 --> 01:20:16,617
followed by darla mann.

2040
01:20:16,617 --> 01:20:18,617
>>

2041
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:20,621
chairman haas.

2042
01:20:20,621 --> 01:20:22,621
>> yes. >> so between

2043
01:20:24,625 --> 01:20:27,250
the two buildings, which

2044
01:20:27,594 --> 01:20:29,994
are basically about the

2045
01:20:30,597 --> 01:20:32,997
same time. 334 kids between

2046
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:34,601
both buildings.

2047
01:20:34,601 --> 01:20:35,602
>> 334,

2048
01:20:35,602 --> 01:20:36,603
so 150, 180 kids. Okay. Okay. Yes,

2049
01:20:36,603 --> 01:20:37,604
ma'am.

2050
01:20:37,604 --> 01:20:39,604
>> hi

2051
01:20:39,606 --> 01:20:41,606
my name is

2052
01:20:41,608 --> 01:20:45,612
vicki rice. I'm the director of coppell montessori. Our

2053
01:20:45,612 --> 01:20:47,612
playground backs up

2054
01:20:48,615 --> 01:20:49,616
to that area with just

2055
01:20:49,616 --> 01:20:51,618
a small creek separating the properties. Toddlers

2056
01:20:51,618 --> 01:20:53,618
play

2057
01:20:54,621 --> 01:20:56,623
out there all day. Learning

2058
01:20:56,623 --> 01:20:57,624
and playing. Dog day cares typically include

2059
01:20:57,624 --> 01:20:59,593
dogs playing

2060
01:20:59,593 --> 01:21:00,594
together which can result in frequent barking

2061
01:21:00,594 --> 01:21:01,595
and noise

2062
01:21:01,595 --> 01:21:03,597
throughout the school hours. She said

2063
01:21:03,597 --> 01:21:05,597
between 10:00 and 5:00 those

2064
01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:06,600
are the times we're outside. For very

2065
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,600
young children,

2066
01:21:09,603 --> 01:21:11,605
that level of noise

2067
01:21:11,605 --> 01:21:12,606
can be disruptive to outdoor play. Learning

2068
01:21:12,606 --> 01:21:13,607
activities and

2069
01:21:13,607 --> 01:21:15,609
rest times. Many children at this

2070
01:21:15,609 --> 01:21:17,611
age are also frightened

2071
01:21:17,611 --> 01:21:18,612
by loud barking or groups of unfamiliar

2072
01:21:18,612 --> 01:21:20,612
dogs. There's

2073
01:21:20,614 --> 01:21:22,616
also practical concerns as everyone

2074
01:21:22,616 --> 01:21:24,618
has mentioned. The sanitation, odors

2075
01:21:24,618 --> 01:21:26,618
and waste management

2076
01:21:26,620 --> 01:21:28,622
so close to an area where children

2077
01:21:28,622 --> 01:21:30,624
play. As others have mentioned, town center

2078
01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:31,625
drive

2079
01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:33,594
becomes very busy throughout the week. There's

2080
01:21:33,594 --> 01:21:35,594
buses, cars, the

2081
01:21:36,597 --> 01:21:38,597
high schoolers

2082
01:21:38,599 --> 01:21:39,600
that go through that area. It's crazy. My

2083
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
intention is

2084
01:21:42,603 --> 01:21:44,603
not to

2085
01:21:45,606 --> 01:21:47,606
impose the business

2086
01:21:48,609 --> 01:21:51,609
but for the city to

2087
01:21:51,612 --> 01:21:53,612
consider if placing

2088
01:21:54,615 --> 01:21:56,615
a

2089
01:21:57,618 --> 01:21:59,618
doggy tkeu

2090
01:22:00,621 --> 01:22:03,210
-- day care is

2091
01:22:06,593 --> 01:22:07,594
the best choice.

2092
01:22:07,594 --> 01:22:09,594
>>

2093
01:22:09,596 --> 01:22:11,996
hi thank you very

2094
01:22:12,599 --> 01:22:15,602
much. My name is darla mann. I reside

2095
01:22:15,602 --> 01:22:18,602
on shady lane. So our

2096
01:22:18,605 --> 01:22:19,606
residents first off

2097
01:22:19,606 --> 01:22:21,608
I came really just to show support. I

2098
01:22:21,608 --> 01:22:24,611
did sign the petition and my mother

2099
01:22:24,611 --> 01:22:26,611
as

2100
01:22:27,614 --> 01:22:28,615
well. We're the neighbor we're

2101
01:22:28,615 --> 01:22:30,617
on the west side of this location. But

2102
01:22:30,617 --> 01:22:32,617
as I've

2103
01:22:32,619 --> 01:22:33,620
been sitting here listening to the

2104
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:35,620
meeting,

2105
01:22:36,623 --> 01:22:38,625
the city's point of view and

2106
01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:39,593
any kind of information that they've

2107
01:22:39,593 --> 01:22:41,593
gathered. So

2108
01:22:45,599 --> 01:22:48,599
I want to provide some

2109
01:22:48,602 --> 01:22:50,602
perspective on

2110
01:22:51,605 --> 01:22:54,605
our side. Originally this was

2111
01:22:54,608 --> 01:22:57,611
a day care buildings a and

2112
01:22:57,611 --> 01:23:00,611
b were both populated for

2113
01:23:00,614 --> 01:23:02,614
children. As

2114
01:23:03,617 --> 01:23:04,618
a resident of coppell since 1969 at

2115
01:23:04,618 --> 01:23:05,619
this residence

2116
01:23:05,619 --> 01:23:06,620
since 1980, we've seen a lot of growth. The

2117
01:23:06,620 --> 01:23:08,620
high

2118
01:23:09,623 --> 01:23:12,593
school has been built. The

2119
01:23:12,593 --> 01:23:13,594
day care has been put

2120
01:23:13,594 --> 01:23:15,596
in. Mr. More homes around us. Even

2121
01:23:15,596 --> 01:23:17,596
the church

2122
01:23:18,599 --> 01:23:21,602
which is just south of this

2123
01:23:21,602 --> 01:23:23,602
property,

2124
01:23:24,605 --> 01:23:26,605
over the years

2125
01:23:26,607 --> 01:23:30,611
we have been inundated by noise. The

2126
01:23:30,611 --> 01:23:31,612
day care with screaming, playing kids. All

2127
01:23:31,612 --> 01:23:32,613
hours,

2128
01:23:32,613 --> 01:23:33,614
all ages. We get noise from the high school

2129
01:23:33,614 --> 01:23:35,614
which you know

2130
01:23:36,617 --> 01:23:39,620
the field is a little further

2131
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:42,623
away but we still get it. Also the

2132
01:23:42,623 --> 01:23:44,623
church which

2133
01:23:45,626 --> 01:23:46,593
is just, a

2134
01:23:46,593 --> 01:23:48,595
stone's throw south of this facility. You

2135
01:23:48,595 --> 01:23:50,597
think a church is

2136
01:23:50,597 --> 01:23:51,598
going in there but they play rock

2137
01:23:51,598 --> 01:23:53,998
& roll kind of music

2138
01:23:54,601 --> 01:23:56,603
that really imnates out

2139
01:23:56,603 --> 01:23:59,606
of there on wednesday and thursday

2140
01:23:59,606 --> 01:24:00,607
evenings and on sunday mornings. They've

2141
01:24:00,607 --> 01:24:03,607
tried to do some improvement

2142
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:06,100
from sound barrier but

2143
01:24:06,613 --> 01:24:08,613
we still

2144
01:24:09,616 --> 01:24:11,616
hear it. So

2145
01:24:12,619 --> 01:24:14,619
we

2146
01:24:15,622 --> 01:24:17,622
are bombarded

2147
01:24:18,625 --> 01:24:20,625
with

2148
01:24:21,595 --> 01:24:23,995
noise by these entities

2149
01:24:24,598 --> 01:24:26,598
that have grown

2150
01:24:27,601 --> 01:24:29,603
up around our homes. The brick fence runs

2151
01:24:29,603 --> 01:24:30,604
across that entire line. There's two actual

2152
01:24:30,604 --> 01:24:31,605
brick fences. There's the church brick

2153
01:24:31,605 --> 01:24:33,605
fence that

2154
01:24:33,607 --> 01:24:34,608
runs all the way out to sandy lake

2155
01:24:34,608 --> 01:24:36,608
and

2156
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:39,613
then there's the day care brick fence that's

2157
01:24:39,613 --> 01:24:41,613
only brick on

2158
01:24:42,616 --> 01:24:45,616
the west side. Everything else

2159
01:24:45,619 --> 01:24:47,621
is chain link. So

2160
01:24:47,621 --> 01:24:48,622
there is a gap there. Probably 10

2161
01:24:48,622 --> 01:24:50,622
to 12-inches

2162
01:24:51,625 --> 01:24:53,594
where those

2163
01:24:53,594 --> 01:24:54,595
fences do not meet and you know critters

2164
01:24:54,595 --> 01:24:56,597
go in and out

2165
01:24:56,597 --> 01:24:57,598
of there so dogs can certainly go

2166
01:24:57,598 --> 01:24:59,598
in between

2167
01:25:00,601 --> 01:25:03,601
and enter our property. So

2168
01:25:03,604 --> 01:25:05,606
a few things that I

2169
01:25:05,606 --> 01:25:06,607
wrote down today, proximity. I'm an

2170
01:25:06,607 --> 01:25:09,607
animal lover, not against the

2171
01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:11,610
business but

2172
01:25:12,613 --> 01:25:14,615
again there's probably been

2173
01:25:14,615 --> 01:25:15,616
no complaints because the doggy day

2174
01:25:15,616 --> 01:25:16,617
care within coppell.

2175
01:25:16,617 --> 01:25:17,618
>>

2176
01:25:17,618 --> 01:25:18,619
thank you. We'll give you another

2177
01:25:18,619 --> 01:25:20,619
minute to

2178
01:25:21,622 --> 01:25:22,623
wrap up.

2179
01:25:22,623 --> 01:25:24,623
>> are in an

2180
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:26,625
industrial

2181
01:25:30,597 --> 01:25:31,598
area more so. We, this is a very dense neighborhood,

2182
01:25:31,598 --> 01:25:33,598
I just, we

2183
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,603
feel and my mother feels this is just

2184
01:25:36,603 --> 01:25:38,603
not the

2185
01:25:39,606 --> 01:25:41,608
appropriate location for this

2186
01:25:41,608 --> 01:25:42,609
facility. Also regarding the landscaping,

2187
01:25:42,609 --> 01:25:45,900
trees were planted in

2188
01:25:45,612 --> 01:25:48,615
that original day care as it was. I

2189
01:25:48,615 --> 01:25:49,616
believe their oak elms. They have

2190
01:25:49,616 --> 01:25:50,617
the little

2191
01:25:50,617 --> 01:25:51,618
tiny leaves all along that fence. They're

2192
01:25:51,618 --> 01:25:53,620
on their side of the property

2193
01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:54,621
but as they've grown over the last

2194
01:25:54,621 --> 01:25:57,210
decade or so. They

2195
01:25:57,624 --> 01:25:59,593
have branched out and they

2196
01:25:59,593 --> 01:26:00,594
are over into our property. We, had

2197
01:26:00,594 --> 01:26:02,596
many conversations trying to

2198
01:26:02,596 --> 01:26:05,599
get them to do their tree management,

2199
01:26:05,599 --> 01:26:06,600
cut them down. You know trim them

2200
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,602
down. It's been futile

2201
01:26:08,602 --> 01:26:09,603
because it's always, well we have

2202
01:26:09,603 --> 01:26:12,603
to deal with corporate. It's

2203
01:26:12,606 --> 01:26:15,609
been like a brick wall. So there's

2204
01:26:15,609 --> 01:26:18,612
a lot of landscaping. That needs

2205
01:26:18,612 --> 01:26:20,614
to be done on that property regarding

2206
01:26:20,614 --> 01:26:21,615
treeing, regarding grasses. Especially

2207
01:26:21,615 --> 01:26:24,150
in those areas where

2208
01:26:24,618 --> 01:26:25,619
they're going to have relief urine constantly

2209
01:26:25,619 --> 01:26:27,619
going through

2210
01:26:28,622 --> 01:26:30,622
there. That's going

2211
01:26:34,595 --> 01:26:38,195
to erode the grass. It's going

2212
01:26:40,601 --> 01:26:43,601
to emanate the odor. Again

2213
01:26:43,604 --> 01:26:46,400
another thing regarding the

2214
01:26:46,607 --> 01:26:47,608
noise. Talking about 10:00 a.m.

2215
01:26:47,608 --> 01:26:49,610
to 4:00 p.m. 70 dogs all of that play

2216
01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:51,612
time is going to

2217
01:26:51,612 --> 01:26:52,613
be our on side. For years. We would

2218
01:26:52,613 --> 01:26:54,613
hear

2219
01:26:54,615 --> 01:26:55,616
the kids outside screaming and playing. My

2220
01:26:55,616 --> 01:26:58,616
mother actually worked nights. It

2221
01:26:58,619 --> 01:27:00,619
was

2222
01:27:01,622 --> 01:27:03,622
very

2223
01:27:03,624 --> 01:27:04,625
hard for her to sleep. It's just, we've

2224
01:27:04,625 --> 01:27:05,626
been inundated

2225
01:27:05,626 --> 01:27:07,594
by noise. You would not think there would

2226
01:27:07,594 --> 01:27:08,595
be

2227
01:27:08,595 --> 01:27:10,597
that much noise but there is. Now

2228
01:27:10,597 --> 01:27:11,598
to have barking dogs,

2229
01:27:11,598 --> 01:27:13,600
I just. I can't even. I don't even

2230
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,603
want to go there. I have

2231
01:27:16,603 --> 01:27:17,604
also have a child who is

2232
01:27:17,604 --> 01:27:19,606
on the autism spectrum. And he is

2233
01:27:19,606 --> 01:27:21,606
afraid of dogs

2234
01:27:22,609 --> 01:27:25,612
so a constant barking of dogs. I

2235
01:27:25,612 --> 01:27:27,614
just, we don't want to

2236
01:27:27,614 --> 01:27:28,615
have to tolerate it. And the weekend

2237
01:27:28,615 --> 01:27:30,615
issue --that was

2238
01:27:31,618 --> 01:27:32,619
another.

2239
01:27:32,619 --> 01:27:34,619
>> we'll follow up,

2240
01:27:34,621 --> 01:27:37,210
question on the applicant

2241
01:27:37,624 --> 01:27:39,593
there. Thank you

2242
01:27:39,593 --> 01:27:40,594
very much. So we have vishi.

2243
01:27:40,594 --> 01:27:41,595
>> yeah,

2244
01:27:41,595 --> 01:27:43,595
that's

2245
01:27:43,597 --> 01:27:44,598
me.

2246
01:27:44,598 --> 01:27:46,598
>>

2247
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,601
followed by shanti.

2248
01:27:47,601 --> 01:27:48,602
>>

2249
01:27:48,602 --> 01:27:49,603
we are here for actually items 12

2250
01:27:49,603 --> 01:27:50,604
and 13.

2251
01:27:50,604 --> 01:27:51,605
>> oh you signed up on

2252
01:27:51,605 --> 01:27:52,606
the wrong one.

2253
01:27:52,606 --> 01:27:54,606
>> sorry about that. >>

2254
01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:58,612
you want to say anything while you're

2255
01:27:58,612 --> 01:27:59,613
here?

2256
01:27:59,613 --> 01:28:01,615
>> yes. >> okay we'll get you

2257
01:28:01,615 --> 01:28:03,615
on

2258
01:28:07,621 --> 01:28:10,624
that one. So y'all are on

2259
01:28:10,624 --> 01:28:11,625
12. All right.

2260
01:28:11,625 --> 01:28:13,625
>> all

2261
01:28:16,597 --> 01:28:18,597
right, sir,

2262
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,000
so, it would be

2263
01:28:22,603 --> 01:28:25,603
rama rara, probably and rama

2264
01:28:25,606 --> 01:28:27,606
sana

2265
01:28:28,609 --> 01:28:30,611
rosani. So these are all

2266
01:28:30,611 --> 01:28:34,615
12. Okay. Oh my gosh and ron you're

2267
01:28:34,615 --> 01:28:37,150
on for item 12. For

2268
01:28:37,618 --> 01:28:39,618
this one. The

2269
01:28:40,621 --> 01:28:42,621
other

2270
01:28:43,624 --> 01:28:44,625
one,

2271
01:28:44,625 --> 01:28:46,593
okay. How about robert? Robert dolman. You

2272
01:28:46,593 --> 01:28:48,593
on --

2273
01:28:49,596 --> 01:28:51,596
I'm sorry. I

2274
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,601
didn't plan on saying anything.

2275
01:28:54,601 --> 01:28:56,601
>>

2276
01:29:01,608 --> 01:29:03,608
okay, okay. There's,

2277
01:29:07,614 --> 01:29:09,614
mr.

2278
01:29:09,616 --> 01:29:10,617
doman.

2279
01:29:10,617 --> 01:29:11,618
>> was that on item eight or 12. >> we

2280
01:29:11,618 --> 01:29:12,619
agreed on

2281
01:29:12,619 --> 01:29:13,620
everything.

2282
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:14,621
>> I just want to make

2283
01:29:14,621 --> 01:29:16,621
sure I get

2284
01:29:16,623 --> 01:29:18,623
everybody

2285
01:29:19,593 --> 01:29:22,593
here. This is on eight,

2286
01:29:22,596 --> 01:29:24,996
this is on 12. Then

2287
01:29:25,599 --> 01:29:27,599
I'm

2288
01:29:28,602 --> 01:29:29,603
just going to say mr.

2289
01:29:29,603 --> 01:29:31,605
and mrs. Woo. She's brave. By hands

2290
01:29:31,605 --> 01:29:34,608
those coming down are there others

2291
01:29:34,608 --> 01:29:35,609
that would like to speak on the item.

2292
01:29:35,609 --> 01:29:36,610
>>

2293
01:29:36,610 --> 01:29:37,611
I crossed my name out. I thought --

2294
01:29:37,611 --> 01:29:38,612
>>

2295
01:29:38,612 --> 01:29:39,613
I see that.

2296
01:29:39,613 --> 01:29:40,614
>>

2297
01:29:40,614 --> 01:29:42,614
we'll get

2298
01:29:43,617 --> 01:29:45,617
others that haven't

2299
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:48,620
signed up. But,

2300
01:29:48,622 --> 01:29:49,623
mrs. Woo.

2301
01:29:49,623 --> 01:29:50,624
>> hi. >> I'm the resident

2302
01:29:50,624 --> 01:29:52,624
at

2303
01:29:52,626 --> 01:29:53,594
127 clover lane

2304
01:29:53,594 --> 01:29:55,596
in the neighborhood. So I opposed

2305
01:29:55,596 --> 01:29:57,598
the working the former

2306
01:29:57,598 --> 01:30:01,602
into a dog day care center because

2307
01:30:01,602 --> 01:30:03,602
this location is

2308
01:30:03,604 --> 01:30:04,605
in the middle of residential neighborhood

2309
01:30:04,605 --> 01:30:06,605
with many families

2310
01:30:06,607 --> 01:30:07,608
with kids. Myself has two kids. And.

2311
01:30:07,608 --> 01:30:08,609
>>

2312
01:30:08,609 --> 01:30:10,611
could I ask you to

2313
01:30:10,611 --> 01:30:13,614
speak closer to the mic so

2314
01:30:13,614 --> 01:30:14,615
we can hear you.

2315
01:30:14,615 --> 01:30:15,616
>> sure. So I oppose

2316
01:30:15,616 --> 01:30:16,617
converting the former

2317
01:30:16,617 --> 01:30:19,620
facility into a dog day care center

2318
01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:21,622
because this location is

2319
01:30:21,622 --> 01:30:22,623
in the middle of a residential neighborhood

2320
01:30:22,623 --> 01:30:24,623
with many families

2321
01:30:25,626 --> 01:30:28,595
and kids and myself have

2322
01:30:28,595 --> 01:30:30,595
two kids. I

2323
01:30:31,598 --> 01:30:33,998
think this, dog day

2324
01:30:37,604 --> 01:30:40,400
care center will, like

2325
01:30:40,607 --> 01:30:41,608
bring noise, odor and sanitation

2326
01:30:41,608 --> 01:30:45,808
concerns. So it will impact, naturally impact

2327
01:30:46,613 --> 01:30:48,613
the

2328
01:30:49,616 --> 01:30:52,616
quality of life for the

2329
01:30:52,619 --> 01:30:55,619
neighborhood. So I respectfully ask

2330
01:30:55,622 --> 01:30:57,622
the authorities to

2331
01:30:58,625 --> 01:31:01,595
take this concern. And takes up

2332
01:31:01,595 --> 01:31:03,595
community concerns

2333
01:31:05,599 --> 01:31:07,601
seriously. And we can consider this

2334
01:31:07,601 --> 01:31:08,602
proposal.

2335
01:31:08,602 --> 01:31:09,603
>> in

2336
01:31:09,603 --> 01:31:10,604
opposition.

2337
01:31:10,604 --> 01:31:11,605
>> is there anything else. >> thank

2338
01:31:11,605 --> 01:31:12,606
you very much.

2339
01:31:12,606 --> 01:31:13,607
>> are

2340
01:31:13,607 --> 01:31:15,607
there

2341
01:31:16,610 --> 01:31:19,100
others that would like

2342
01:31:19,613 --> 01:31:21,613
to

2343
01:31:25,619 --> 01:31:28,619
speak on the item? Come

2344
01:31:28,622 --> 01:31:30,622
on

2345
01:31:30,624 --> 01:31:31,625
down, over here.

2346
01:31:31,625 --> 01:31:32,626
>> hey there. Closer. >> you

2347
01:31:32,626 --> 01:31:34,595
can

2348
01:31:34,595 --> 01:31:36,595
pull

2349
01:31:37,598 --> 01:31:38,599
it down.

2350
01:31:38,599 --> 01:31:40,601
>> is that better. Hi I'm

2351
01:31:40,601 --> 01:31:42,601
shafini, 411, or 144 woodhurst

2352
01:31:43,604 --> 01:31:44,605
drive. I have lived in coppell since 1995

2353
01:31:44,605 --> 01:31:46,605
and

2354
01:31:46,607 --> 01:31:48,609
moved back here about four years

2355
01:31:48,609 --> 01:31:49,610
ago. Actually lived in the neighborhood

2356
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:50,611
that's adjacent to the

2357
01:31:50,611 --> 01:31:54,615
neighborhood that this would be at. That

2358
01:31:54,615 --> 01:31:55,616
backs up to the high school fields. So

2359
01:31:55,616 --> 01:31:57,616
I

2360
01:31:58,619 --> 01:32:01,622
do, understand the people that live

2361
01:32:01,622 --> 01:32:02,623
behind the

2362
01:32:02,623 --> 01:32:04,625
noise pollution that's already there. I

2363
01:32:04,625 --> 01:32:07,594
would also, urge the in opposition. Sorry

2364
01:32:07,594 --> 01:32:10,597
if I didn't say that. Would

2365
01:32:10,597 --> 01:32:12,599
urge you guys to really consider

2366
01:32:12,599 --> 01:32:13,600
flipping the sanitation to that backside that

2367
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,600
is

2368
01:32:16,603 --> 01:32:18,603
where

2369
01:32:19,606 --> 01:32:21,606
my

2370
01:32:22,609 --> 01:32:24,611
child goes to school

2371
01:32:24,611 --> 01:32:25,612
at coppell montessori and we're very

2372
01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:28,612
concerned with the sound. And

2373
01:32:28,615 --> 01:32:31,618
there's a creek that goes there and

2374
01:32:31,618 --> 01:32:33,618
it could make

2375
01:32:34,621 --> 01:32:35,622
the situation much worse for the run

2376
01:32:35,622 --> 01:32:37,622
off. I

2377
01:32:37,624 --> 01:32:38,625
heard her address the concern for

2378
01:32:38,625 --> 01:32:40,594
removal. But also

2379
01:32:40,594 --> 01:32:43,597
coppell has pick up twice a

2380
01:32:43,597 --> 01:32:45,597
week. I'm interested

2381
01:32:47,601 --> 01:32:50,604
if they will have pry --

2382
01:32:50,604 --> 01:32:53,607
private pick up and how that

2383
01:32:53,607 --> 01:32:54,608
will work.

2384
01:32:54,608 --> 01:32:56,608
>> can

2385
01:32:56,610 --> 01:32:57,611
I get your name.

2386
01:32:57,611 --> 01:32:59,613
>> shae finney. Woodhurst drive. By

2387
01:32:59,613 --> 01:33:00,614
the duck pond.

2388
01:33:00,614 --> 01:33:01,615
>> okay, got

2389
01:33:01,615 --> 01:33:02,616
you. All righty. Thank you very much. Is

2390
01:33:02,616 --> 01:33:04,616
there anybody else

2391
01:33:05,619 --> 01:33:08,619
who would like to speak

2392
01:33:08,622 --> 01:33:09,623
for

2393
01:33:09,623 --> 01:33:10,624
or against the proposed application.

2394
01:33:10,624 --> 01:33:11,625
>>

2395
01:33:11,625 --> 01:33:12,626
may I add one comment.

2396
01:33:12,626 --> 01:33:13,594
>>

2397
01:33:13,594 --> 01:33:14,595
he used his three minutes. You still

2398
01:33:14,595 --> 01:33:16,995
have three minutes. I

2399
01:33:17,598 --> 01:33:19,598
will need

2400
01:33:20,601 --> 01:33:22,601
your

2401
01:33:22,603 --> 01:33:23,604
name and address for the record.

2402
01:33:23,604 --> 01:33:24,605
>>

2403
01:33:24,605 --> 01:33:25,606
dawn superack. I

2404
01:33:25,606 --> 01:33:27,608
was just looking at the sign and it

2405
01:33:27,608 --> 01:33:29,610
says that they are maximum dogs could

2406
01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:31,610
be 71 dogs total

2407
01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:32,613
at a time. I know a lot of facilities allow

2408
01:33:32,613 --> 01:33:33,614
dogs

2409
01:33:33,614 --> 01:33:35,616
that come from the same household

2410
01:33:35,616 --> 01:33:37,616
to stay in

2411
01:33:38,619 --> 01:33:39,620
the same suites or the

2412
01:33:39,620 --> 01:33:41,622
same kennels. So essentially that

2413
01:33:41,622 --> 01:33:42,623
71 dogs could be 144 dogs. I don't

2414
01:33:42,623 --> 01:33:44,625
know if their facility is going to allow

2415
01:33:44,625 --> 01:33:45,626
that but

2416
01:33:45,626 --> 01:33:47,594
I know most of them do. So that is

2417
01:33:47,594 --> 01:33:49,594
just another, concern

2418
01:33:50,597 --> 01:33:52,599
that I have that

2419
01:33:52,599 --> 01:33:53,600
is not just 71 dogs that, it could

2420
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,601
potentially

2421
01:33:54,601 --> 01:33:55,602
be 144. Thanks.

2422
01:33:55,602 --> 01:33:56,603
>> thank you very

2423
01:33:56,603 --> 01:33:59,606
much. Is there anyone else who

2424
01:33:59,606 --> 01:34:00,607
would like to speak

2425
01:34:00,607 --> 01:34:02,609
for or against the proposed application. Seeing

2426
01:34:02,609 --> 01:34:04,609
none. I will

2427
01:34:05,612 --> 01:34:08,612
close the public hearing. If

2428
01:34:11,618 --> 01:34:14,180
we could have the

2429
01:34:14,621 --> 01:34:15,622
applicant come back

2430
01:34:15,622 --> 01:34:16,623
please. There were a couple of concerns

2431
01:34:16,623 --> 01:34:19,626
raised through the period. One of

2432
01:34:19,626 --> 01:34:20,594
the concerns is what are the operations on

2433
01:34:20,594 --> 01:34:21,595
the weekend.

2434
01:34:21,595 --> 01:34:23,597
>> the operation on the weekend

2435
01:34:23,597 --> 01:34:25,599
for the day care is going to

2436
01:34:25,599 --> 01:34:29,199
be shorter. It's going to be 8:00

2437
01:34:29,603 --> 01:34:30,604
to just 5:00 p.m.

2438
01:34:30,604 --> 01:34:32,604
>>

2439
01:34:32,606 --> 01:34:33,607
8:00 to

2440
01:34:33,607 --> 01:34:34,608
5:00. Both saturday and sunday.

2441
01:34:34,608 --> 01:34:35,609
>>

2442
01:34:35,609 --> 01:34:36,610
yes, yes.

2443
01:34:36,610 --> 01:34:37,611
>> then there was

2444
01:34:37,611 --> 01:34:38,612
a follow up question with regard to sanitation. The

2445
01:34:38,612 --> 01:34:40,612
pick

2446
01:34:41,615 --> 01:34:43,615
up, the

2447
01:34:43,617 --> 01:34:44,618
operations of who's providing.

2448
01:34:44,618 --> 01:34:45,619
>>

2449
01:34:45,619 --> 01:34:46,620
that's going to

2450
01:34:46,620 --> 01:34:47,621
be commercial, private they pick up

2451
01:34:47,621 --> 01:34:48,622
the trash. If it's needed we can add

2452
01:34:48,622 --> 01:34:50,624
it more time. But for now we have

2453
01:34:50,624 --> 01:34:52,624
a

2454
01:34:53,594 --> 01:34:55,596
contract for three times

2455
01:34:55,596 --> 01:34:56,597
a week. We can add it for, you know, like

2456
01:34:56,597 --> 01:34:58,597
the summertime

2457
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,603
we can add it to four

2458
01:35:02,603 --> 01:35:03,604
times a week.

2459
01:35:03,604 --> 01:35:04,605
>>

2460
01:35:04,605 --> 01:35:05,606
is there special disposal required?

2461
01:35:05,606 --> 01:35:06,607
>>

2462
01:35:06,607 --> 01:35:08,609
yeah, they are a

2463
01:35:08,609 --> 01:35:09,610
private company.

2464
01:35:09,610 --> 01:35:10,611
>> so

2465
01:35:10,611 --> 01:35:11,612
they're versed in those type of operations.

2466
01:35:11,612 --> 01:35:12,613
>>

2467
01:35:12,613 --> 01:35:13,614
yes.

2468
01:35:13,614 --> 01:35:14,615
>>

2469
01:35:14,615 --> 01:35:17,150
I'm sorry. There's a

2470
01:35:17,618 --> 01:35:20,618
side bar going on over

2471
01:35:20,621 --> 01:35:22,621
there. Then there's

2472
01:35:22,623 --> 01:35:23,624
one last one. 71 times two, 144.

2473
01:35:23,624 --> 01:35:24,625
>>

2474
01:35:24,625 --> 01:35:25,626
for a

2475
01:35:25,626 --> 01:35:26,593
smaller, the kennel we're not allowing

2476
01:35:26,593 --> 01:35:28,593
two dogs

2477
01:35:28,595 --> 01:35:29,596
at a time. Just for suites that we

2478
01:35:29,596 --> 01:35:31,596
will have

2479
01:35:31,598 --> 01:35:35,602
eight suites for them we can for two dogs

2480
01:35:35,602 --> 01:35:36,603
not for the rest.

2481
01:35:36,603 --> 01:35:38,603
>> so the total

2482
01:35:38,605 --> 01:35:40,605
is 71

2483
01:35:40,607 --> 01:35:41,608
dogs.

2484
01:35:41,608 --> 01:35:42,609
>> the total is 71, yes. >>

2485
01:35:42,609 --> 01:35:43,610
total.

2486
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:44,611
>> total. >> okay, all right. While

2487
01:35:44,611 --> 01:35:45,612
the applicant is here.

2488
01:35:45,612 --> 01:35:46,613
>> it's

2489
01:35:46,613 --> 01:35:47,614
not usually 71 for day care. It's

2490
01:35:47,614 --> 01:35:49,614
for boarding

2491
01:35:50,617 --> 01:35:52,619
kennel 71 as I mentioned in a,

2492
01:35:52,619 --> 01:35:55,622
you know it's not very clear here. But

2493
01:35:55,622 --> 01:35:56,623
we are for indoor play, we just have

2494
01:35:56,623 --> 01:35:58,623
a 15

2495
01:35:59,626 --> 01:36:01,595
as a big dog and 15 as

2496
01:36:01,595 --> 01:36:02,596
a small dog. For a day care.

2497
01:36:02,596 --> 01:36:04,596
>> so

2498
01:36:05,599 --> 01:36:06,600
thank you.

2499
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,600
>> the small. >> thank

2500
01:36:08,602 --> 01:36:11,605
you for that clarification. So what

2501
01:36:11,605 --> 01:36:14,605
is the total potential number

2502
01:36:14,608 --> 01:36:16,608
of dogs

2503
01:36:16,610 --> 01:36:17,611
on-site?

2504
01:36:17,611 --> 01:36:18,612
>> 71. >> total. >> total. >> boarding

2505
01:36:18,612 --> 01:36:20,612
or

2506
01:36:20,614 --> 01:36:21,615
nonboarding.

2507
01:36:21,615 --> 01:36:22,616
>> yeah. >>

2508
01:36:22,616 --> 01:36:23,617
including suites.

2509
01:36:23,617 --> 01:36:24,618
>> including suites. Yes.

2510
01:36:24,618 --> 01:36:25,619
eight suites is just like.

2511
01:36:25,619 --> 01:36:26,620
>>

2512
01:36:26,620 --> 01:36:28,620
okay, what does

2513
01:36:29,623 --> 01:36:31,623
the staffing look

2514
01:36:31,625 --> 01:36:32,626
like. Because you mentioned there will be

2515
01:36:32,626 --> 01:36:33,594
1v1.

2516
01:36:33,594 --> 01:36:35,594
>>

2517
01:36:35,596 --> 01:36:37,596
we will have

2518
01:36:37,598 --> 01:36:40,601
seven to nine. Around seven for each

2519
01:36:40,601 --> 01:36:41,602
shift.

2520
01:36:41,602 --> 01:36:42,603
>> seven for each shift. Is

2521
01:36:42,603 --> 01:36:43,604
there,

2522
01:36:43,604 --> 01:36:44,605
I'm not clear with this operation.

2523
01:36:44,605 --> 01:36:45,606
>>

2524
01:36:45,606 --> 01:36:47,606
like each

2525
01:36:47,608 --> 01:36:48,609
10 dog, seven to 10 dogs per handler.

2526
01:36:48,609 --> 01:36:49,610
>>

2527
01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:50,611
per person. Okay, okay. And they will

2528
01:36:50,611 --> 01:36:52,611
never

2529
01:36:52,613 --> 01:36:53,614
leave the site.

2530
01:36:53,614 --> 01:36:54,615
>> no. >> they're

2531
01:36:54,615 --> 01:36:55,616
only, okay.

2532
01:36:55,616 --> 01:36:56,617
>> they're

2533
01:36:56,617 --> 01:36:57,618
going through the, you know the training

2534
01:36:57,618 --> 01:36:58,619
program. So

2535
01:36:58,619 --> 01:36:59,620
they will know the dog behavior. They

2536
01:36:59,620 --> 01:37:01,620
will have

2537
01:37:01,622 --> 01:37:02,623
a course and a dog behavior how to

2538
01:37:02,623 --> 01:37:04,623
handle

2539
01:37:05,626 --> 01:37:08,595
the emergencies. How to handle the

2540
01:37:08,595 --> 01:37:11,598
barking. How to you know the manage the emergency

2541
01:37:11,598 --> 01:37:13,600
time. So, they will have

2542
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:14,601
the training time and they will certify

2543
01:37:14,601 --> 01:37:15,602
before.

2544
01:37:15,602 --> 01:37:16,603
>> is that a requirement

2545
01:37:16,603 --> 01:37:17,604
for this type of operation.

2546
01:37:17,604 --> 01:37:18,605
>> no

2547
01:37:18,605 --> 01:37:20,605
for our

2548
01:37:20,607 --> 01:37:23,607
operation it's going to be

2549
01:37:23,610 --> 01:37:24,611
--

2550
01:37:24,611 --> 01:37:26,611
>> for your operational. >>

2551
01:37:26,613 --> 01:37:27,614
--operations.

2552
01:37:27,614 --> 01:37:29,614
>> so you have

2553
01:37:29,616 --> 01:37:30,617
another location.

2554
01:37:30,617 --> 01:37:31,618
>> no this will

2555
01:37:31,618 --> 01:37:32,619
be

2556
01:37:32,619 --> 01:37:33,620
the first location.

2557
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:34,621
>> out of curiosity

2558
01:37:34,621 --> 01:37:35,622
why this business.

2559
01:37:35,622 --> 01:37:36,623
>> actually I

2560
01:37:36,623 --> 01:37:38,625
was looking for my dog. I have

2561
01:37:38,625 --> 01:37:40,594
two dogs so I was looking for their

2562
01:37:40,594 --> 01:37:41,595
boarding. So I was thinking, okay,

2563
01:37:41,595 --> 01:37:43,595
when I

2564
01:37:44,598 --> 01:37:46,598
saw

2565
01:37:47,601 --> 01:37:50,604
couple, I thought I can do

2566
01:37:50,604 --> 01:37:51,605
better.

2567
01:37:51,605 --> 01:37:52,606
>> okay. Any final

2568
01:37:52,606 --> 01:37:53,607
questions of the applicant. Samit.

2569
01:37:53,607 --> 01:37:54,608
>> just

2570
01:37:54,608 --> 01:37:56,608
to

2571
01:37:56,610 --> 01:37:59,613
clarify from an operational standpoint. You

2572
01:37:59,613 --> 01:38:00,614
are going to allow boarding overnight.

2573
01:38:00,614 --> 01:38:01,615
>> yes. We

2574
01:38:01,615 --> 01:38:02,616
will

2575
01:38:02,616 --> 01:38:03,617
have staff overnight.

2576
01:38:03,617 --> 01:38:04,618
>> but no dogs

2577
01:38:04,618 --> 01:38:05,619
will

2578
01:38:05,619 --> 01:38:06,620
be taken outside overnight.

2579
01:38:06,620 --> 01:38:07,621
>> no,

2580
01:38:07,621 --> 01:38:08,622
no. They will have a

2581
01:38:08,622 --> 01:38:09,623
relief area inside too.

2582
01:38:09,623 --> 01:38:10,624
>> similar

2583
01:38:10,624 --> 01:38:11,625
on the

2584
01:38:11,625 --> 01:38:12,626
weekends. So somebody could check

2585
01:38:12,626 --> 01:38:14,595
their dog in for a

2586
01:38:14,595 --> 01:38:15,596
vacation.

2587
01:38:15,596 --> 01:38:16,597
>> oh no we have a time

2588
01:38:16,597 --> 01:38:17,598
for accepting and for you know, drop

2589
01:38:17,598 --> 01:38:19,600
off and pick up. We

2590
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:20,601
don't load them any time.

2591
01:38:20,601 --> 01:38:21,602
>> spring

2592
01:38:21,602 --> 01:38:22,603
break this week, somebody can check

2593
01:38:22,603 --> 01:38:23,604
their

2594
01:38:23,604 --> 01:38:25,606
dog in on a saturday and pick

2595
01:38:25,606 --> 01:38:26,607
them up a week later following sunday?

2596
01:38:26,607 --> 01:38:27,608
>>

2597
01:38:27,608 --> 01:38:28,609
yeah,

2598
01:38:28,609 --> 01:38:29,610
they can do it, yes, of course.

2599
01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:30,611
>>

2600
01:38:30,611 --> 01:38:31,612
okay, okay.

2601
01:38:31,612 --> 01:38:32,613
>> I

2602
01:38:32,613 --> 01:38:35,616
have a question, a couple of

2603
01:38:35,616 --> 01:38:36,617
things came up for staff while she's

2604
01:38:36,617 --> 01:38:37,618
still

2605
01:38:37,618 --> 01:38:38,619
here. Is there any, is staff aware of

2606
01:38:38,619 --> 01:38:40,619
any

2607
01:38:44,625 --> 01:38:47,594
creeks or run off area adjacent to

2608
01:38:47,594 --> 01:38:50,597
this property? And is there any

2609
01:38:50,597 --> 01:38:52,597
part of

2610
01:38:52,599 --> 01:38:53,600
this property that's directly adjacent

2611
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,601
to the montessori school?

2612
01:38:54,601 --> 01:38:56,601
>>

2613
01:38:56,603 --> 01:38:59,603
so I'll have to defer

2614
01:38:59,606 --> 01:39:02,609
to engineering about the creeks. I'll

2615
01:39:02,609 --> 01:39:05,612
let, I think he's going to

2616
01:39:05,612 --> 01:39:07,614
look that up. I'm sorry what was the

2617
01:39:07,614 --> 01:39:08,615
second question.

2618
01:39:08,615 --> 01:39:11,150
>> we had a couple

2619
01:39:11,618 --> 01:39:14,180
of comments that this

2620
01:39:14,621 --> 01:39:16,623
was directly adjacent to the

2621
01:39:16,623 --> 01:39:17,624
montessori school. Is there any piece

2622
01:39:17,624 --> 01:39:18,625
that abuts next to that.

2623
01:39:18,625 --> 01:39:20,594
>> it

2624
01:39:20,594 --> 01:39:22,594
looks like it's

2625
01:39:23,597 --> 01:39:25,997
the church or a

2626
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:27,601
church parking lot. Yeah.

2627
01:39:27,601 --> 01:39:29,601
>>

2628
01:39:29,603 --> 01:39:31,603
so looks like

2629
01:39:32,606 --> 01:39:35,609
the montessori backs up to the other day

2630
01:39:35,609 --> 01:39:36,610
care.

2631
01:39:36,610 --> 01:39:37,611
>> okay no more questions

2632
01:39:37,611 --> 01:39:38,612
for me, thank you.

2633
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:39,613
>> on the other

2634
01:39:39,613 --> 01:39:40,614
side.

2635
01:39:40,614 --> 01:39:41,615
>> fire away. >> I

2636
01:39:41,615 --> 01:39:44,618
don't know who this is toward. But

2637
01:39:44,618 --> 01:39:46,620
the eight foot board fence is it continuous

2638
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:48,622
around there regardless of the existing walls

2639
01:39:48,622 --> 01:39:50,624
and whatever. Or is it

2640
01:39:50,624 --> 01:39:54,595
meant to bridge, is it only intended

2641
01:39:54,595 --> 01:39:56,597
to bridge the gaps where

2642
01:39:56,597 --> 01:39:57,598
the walls are not?

2643
01:39:57,598 --> 01:39:58,599
>> so, our intent

2644
01:39:58,599 --> 01:40:00,601
is there's a wall to

2645
01:40:00,601 --> 01:40:01,602
the west which is

2646
01:40:01,602 --> 01:40:03,604
a brick wall. Which is going to stay. Then

2647
01:40:03,604 --> 01:40:05,604
on the

2648
01:40:06,607 --> 01:40:08,607
north facing

2649
01:40:09,610 --> 01:40:11,612
the street and on the south at

2650
01:40:11,612 --> 01:40:13,614
the rear, there's currently a chain

2651
01:40:13,614 --> 01:40:15,616
link fence where I think there's fabric

2652
01:40:15,616 --> 01:40:17,616
and

2653
01:40:18,619 --> 01:40:20,619
we didn't want

2654
01:40:20,621 --> 01:40:21,622
just that. So it should be in front

2655
01:40:21,622 --> 01:40:22,623
of I think

2656
01:40:22,623 --> 01:40:26,823
they're going to keep the chain link

2657
01:40:27,594 --> 01:40:30,597
fence but it should be on the

2658
01:40:30,597 --> 01:40:33,597
rear. Because we don't want

2659
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:34,601
kids sticking their hands in there.

2660
01:40:34,601 --> 01:40:35,602
>>

2661
01:40:35,602 --> 01:40:37,604
right, right. But in lieu of the comment, because

2662
01:40:37,604 --> 01:40:39,606
knowing that there's drainage and

2663
01:40:39,606 --> 01:40:42,606
what not below brick walls,

2664
01:40:42,609 --> 01:40:44,609
we want to

2665
01:40:45,612 --> 01:40:48,615
make sure that that's closed off too. Maybe

2666
01:40:48,615 --> 01:40:51,615
not a solid 8-foot fence,

2667
01:40:51,618 --> 01:40:53,620
but they want to make sure

2668
01:40:53,620 --> 01:40:54,621
no dog goes boroughing underneath

2669
01:40:54,621 --> 01:40:56,621
the wall or

2670
01:40:57,624 --> 01:40:58,625
the fence.

2671
01:40:58,625 --> 01:41:00,625
>>

2672
01:41:03,597 --> 01:41:04,598
board on board outside.

2673
01:41:04,598 --> 01:41:06,598
>> okay.

2674
01:41:15,609 --> 01:41:16,610
okay.

2675
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:17,611
>> fire away kent. >>

2676
01:41:17,611 --> 01:41:18,612
why are we agreeing to a board on

2677
01:41:18,612 --> 01:41:20,612
board. Wouldn't

2678
01:41:20,614 --> 01:41:21,615
it be better to recommend a stone

2679
01:41:21,615 --> 01:41:23,615
or

2680
01:41:25,619 --> 01:41:29,819
brick fence or something of that nature.

2681
01:41:30,624 --> 01:41:32,624
something that's

2682
01:41:33,594 --> 01:41:34,595
solid?

2683
01:41:34,595 --> 01:41:36,595
>> if that's

2684
01:41:36,597 --> 01:41:38,597
something

2685
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,600
that you want to recommend.

2686
01:41:42,603 --> 01:41:44,603
staff was

2687
01:41:45,606 --> 01:41:48,606
just thinking of leaving the

2688
01:41:48,609 --> 01:41:50,609
chain link

2689
01:41:51,612 --> 01:41:54,615
fence. We thought the board on board was better

2690
01:41:54,615 --> 01:41:55,616
for blocking access.

2691
01:41:55,616 --> 01:41:57,616
>> thank

2692
01:41:57,618 --> 01:41:58,619
you.

2693
01:41:58,619 --> 01:42:00,619
>>

2694
01:42:01,622 --> 01:42:04,622
any other comments. Okay discussion

2695
01:42:06,627 --> 01:42:07,594
by the commission.

2696
01:42:07,594 --> 01:42:09,594
>> so

2697
01:42:09,596 --> 01:42:12,596
I have mixed feelings about

2698
01:42:12,599 --> 01:42:14,599
this application. Because

2699
01:42:15,602 --> 01:42:17,602
it

2700
01:42:18,605 --> 01:42:21,608
is a, a lot of dogs. But with the

2701
01:42:21,608 --> 01:42:24,800
proper mitigation I was

2702
01:42:24,611 --> 01:42:26,611
concerned about,

2703
01:42:26,613 --> 01:42:27,614
this gentleman over here who was thinking

2704
01:42:27,614 --> 01:42:29,614
that,

2705
01:42:30,617 --> 01:42:31,618
the location of this

2706
01:42:31,618 --> 01:42:32,619
operation would impact his property

2707
01:42:32,619 --> 01:42:36,219
values and I'm wondering how, the

2708
01:42:36,623 --> 01:42:38,623
rest

2709
01:42:39,626 --> 01:42:42,596
of the commission feels about

2710
01:42:42,596 --> 01:42:44,598
that. Because I'm thinking

2711
01:42:44,598 --> 01:42:47,601
that this, operation is far enough away

2712
01:42:47,601 --> 01:42:48,602
from that land to not impact it. But,

2713
01:42:48,602 --> 01:42:51,602
maybe I'm wrong. I would

2714
01:42:51,605 --> 01:42:53,605
like to

2715
01:42:54,608 --> 01:42:55,609
see

2716
01:42:55,609 --> 01:42:57,611
what others on the commission feel about that. ,

2717
01:42:57,611 --> 01:42:59,613
I think I can support

2718
01:42:59,613 --> 01:43:02,616
this project if all of the fencing was

2719
01:43:02,616 --> 01:43:03,617
brick or some kind of stone fence

2720
01:43:03,617 --> 01:43:04,618
of some

2721
01:43:04,618 --> 01:43:06,620
sort. Something that's attractive

2722
01:43:06,620 --> 01:43:08,620
to the area

2723
01:43:09,623 --> 01:43:11,625
and build it up. I'm not

2724
01:43:11,625 --> 01:43:14,595
really excited about the chain link

2725
01:43:14,595 --> 01:43:15,596
fence and or, any of that. Plus it

2726
01:43:15,596 --> 01:43:17,596
would mitigate

2727
01:43:18,599 --> 01:43:20,999
any potential run off

2728
01:43:21,602 --> 01:43:24,605
so called if there would be

2729
01:43:24,605 --> 01:43:27,605
any. You know fluids and

2730
01:43:27,608 --> 01:43:30,608
what not that would not

2731
01:43:30,611 --> 01:43:33,614
be you wouldn't want to see go elsewhere

2732
01:43:33,614 --> 01:43:36,140
from dog urine or

2733
01:43:36,617 --> 01:43:37,618
whatever. I think that's my initial thought.

2734
01:43:37,618 --> 01:43:39,618
>>

2735
01:43:39,620 --> 01:43:42,620
thank you. You can have

2736
01:43:42,623 --> 01:43:43,624
a seat. Other thoughts by the commission. Sue.

2737
01:43:43,624 --> 01:43:44,625
>>

2738
01:43:44,625 --> 01:43:45,626
you

2739
01:43:45,626 --> 01:43:46,627
know, initially I thought this was

2740
01:43:46,627 --> 01:43:48,595
probably a good

2741
01:43:48,595 --> 01:43:50,597
conversion use of a day care

2742
01:43:50,597 --> 01:43:51,598
into a doggy day care. Burr listening

2743
01:43:51,598 --> 01:43:53,598
to some of

2744
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:54,601
the residents and what they really had

2745
01:43:54,601 --> 01:43:56,601
to

2746
01:43:57,604 --> 01:43:59,606
say about it, I'm not sure in this

2747
01:43:59,606 --> 01:44:00,607
particular location that it's really

2748
01:44:00,607 --> 01:44:02,607
good based

2749
01:44:02,609 --> 01:44:04,611
on the foot traffic and the proximity to

2750
01:44:04,611 --> 01:44:06,613
the montessori and to the other day

2751
01:44:06,613 --> 01:44:07,614
care and to the high schoolers walking

2752
01:44:07,614 --> 01:44:09,614
by. You

2753
01:44:09,616 --> 01:44:11,616
know those high

2754
01:44:11,618 --> 01:44:12,619
schoolers are going to atphroeu --

2755
01:44:12,619 --> 01:44:14,619
to annoy

2756
01:44:14,621 --> 01:44:15,622
those dogs as they walk by. Any way,

2757
01:44:15,622 --> 01:44:17,622
I don't know

2758
01:44:18,625 --> 01:44:19,626
if this is the best spot in this. There's another

2759
01:44:19,626 --> 01:44:20,594
day

2760
01:44:20,594 --> 01:44:21,595
care for sale on the other side of

2761
01:44:21,595 --> 01:44:23,595
the creek

2762
01:44:24,598 --> 01:44:27,601
with no residents. But any way. I

2763
01:44:27,601 --> 01:44:29,601
don't

2764
01:44:30,604 --> 01:44:32,604
know

2765
01:44:33,607 --> 01:44:34,608
that I can support the approval of

2766
01:44:34,608 --> 01:44:35,609
this.

2767
01:44:35,609 --> 01:44:36,610
>>

2768
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:37,611
okay. I wanted to understand what this

2769
01:44:37,611 --> 01:44:39,611
land

2770
01:44:39,613 --> 01:44:42,616
use potentially could be like. I visited

2771
01:44:42,616 --> 01:44:43,617
other locations in coppell just driving

2772
01:44:43,617 --> 01:44:44,618
around. Just

2773
01:44:44,618 --> 01:44:47,618
listening for sounds, things like

2774
01:44:48,622 --> 01:44:51,220
that. So there's one

2775
01:44:51,625 --> 01:44:54,595
there, more or less on the north quadrant of mcarthur

2776
01:44:54,595 --> 01:44:57,598
and belt line. And I detected no

2777
01:44:57,598 --> 01:45:00,598
smells. There was operations when

2778
01:45:00,601 --> 01:45:01,602
the door opened. I could hear dogs barking. There

2779
01:45:01,602 --> 01:45:03,602
was

2780
01:45:03,604 --> 01:45:04,605
a brick fence on one end. Some dogs

2781
01:45:04,605 --> 01:45:05,606
were

2782
01:45:05,606 --> 01:45:06,607
out playing. I could hear them. But,

2783
01:45:06,607 --> 01:45:08,607
then I decided

2784
01:45:09,610 --> 01:45:11,610
to check with

2785
01:45:12,613 --> 01:45:14,613
some of the

2786
01:45:15,616 --> 01:45:16,617
folks that lived

2787
01:45:16,617 --> 01:45:18,619
in that adjacent neighborhood. And

2788
01:45:18,619 --> 01:45:20,619
kudos

2789
01:45:21,622 --> 01:45:24,625
to coppell residents for not opening the

2790
01:45:24,625 --> 01:45:26,627
doors for strangers. But I

2791
01:45:26,627 --> 01:45:27,594
found some folks walking. So I asked

2792
01:45:27,594 --> 01:45:29,594
them questions. And

2793
01:45:30,597 --> 01:45:32,997
they were you know,

2794
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,603
they were at 500 feet plus and

2795
01:45:36,603 --> 01:45:39,300
from the alley of

2796
01:45:39,606 --> 01:45:42,606
I believe it was crestview

2797
01:45:45,612 --> 01:45:47,614
or, I lost it

2798
01:45:47,614 --> 01:45:48,615
here. Yeah crestview.

2799
01:45:48,615 --> 01:45:49,616
>> for clarification

2800
01:45:49,616 --> 01:45:50,617
you're talking about camp bowwow.

2801
01:45:50,617 --> 01:45:51,618
>>

2802
01:45:51,618 --> 01:45:52,619
yes.

2803
01:45:52,619 --> 01:45:53,620
>>

2804
01:45:53,620 --> 01:45:55,620
from the alley,

2805
01:45:55,622 --> 01:45:56,623
I could hear the dogs. So

2806
01:45:56,623 --> 01:45:58,625
that's over 400 plus feet. And but

2807
01:45:58,625 --> 01:46:00,594
the residents, that

2808
01:46:00,594 --> 01:46:01,595
I spoke with they didn't have any problem. They

2809
01:46:01,595 --> 01:46:02,596
said

2810
01:46:02,596 --> 01:46:04,598
they could hear them, you know. They

2811
01:46:04,598 --> 01:46:07,601
were fine with it. But no

2812
01:46:07,601 --> 01:46:10,604
big deal. The second location I

2813
01:46:10,604 --> 01:46:12,604
went to was

2814
01:46:13,607 --> 01:46:16,700
the one just on

2815
01:46:16,610 --> 01:46:18,610
the southeast

2816
01:46:19,613 --> 01:46:22,616
corner of denton tap and sandy

2817
01:46:22,616 --> 01:46:24,616
lake

2818
01:46:26,620 --> 01:46:28,622
there by, by victor's. I'm looking

2819
01:46:28,622 --> 01:46:30,622
for the

2820
01:46:31,625 --> 01:46:34,250
name here. It's right

2821
01:46:34,595 --> 01:46:36,595
there by

2822
01:46:36,597 --> 01:46:37,598
the rock & roll.

2823
01:46:37,598 --> 01:46:38,599
>> dogtopia. >> dogtopia

2824
01:46:38,599 --> 01:46:39,600
yes thank you

2825
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:40,601
for that. So I spoke with residents behind

2826
01:46:40,601 --> 01:46:42,601
there

2827
01:46:42,603 --> 01:46:45,606
on glenview. Because they're a lot

2828
01:46:45,606 --> 01:46:46,607
closer. The residents I spoke with there,

2829
01:46:46,607 --> 01:46:47,608
actually one guy

2830
01:46:47,608 --> 01:46:49,610
over here answered his door. He said

2831
01:46:49,610 --> 01:46:51,610
that he's

2832
01:46:52,613 --> 01:46:53,614
never had a problem. The noise,

2833
01:46:53,614 --> 01:46:57,618
not a problem. Smell, not a problem. Then

2834
01:46:57,618 --> 01:46:58,619
I decided, let me check with some

2835
01:46:58,619 --> 01:47:00,619
of the

2836
01:47:00,621 --> 01:47:01,622
adjacent commercial businesses if there's

2837
01:47:01,622 --> 01:47:03,622
any issues. And

2838
01:47:04,625 --> 01:47:07,250
so I went to

2839
01:47:07,594 --> 01:47:09,994
the zalot's and the

2840
01:47:10,597 --> 01:47:11,598
rock & roll, rock of school rock

2841
01:47:11,598 --> 01:47:13,600
of ages whatever it is. The restaurant

2842
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:14,601
couldn't really hear anything

2843
01:47:14,601 --> 01:47:16,603
other than when the dogs were going

2844
01:47:16,603 --> 01:47:18,605
in and out. Rock &

2845
01:47:18,605 --> 01:47:19,606
roll place there, they could hear

2846
01:47:19,606 --> 01:47:20,607
them

2847
01:47:20,607 --> 01:47:22,609
through the wall. But they have drones and guitars

2848
01:47:22,609 --> 01:47:24,609
going

2849
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:27,612
so it kind

2850
01:47:27,614 --> 01:47:28,615
of blended in. I didn't hear really

2851
01:47:28,615 --> 01:47:30,615
anything negative. But

2852
01:47:31,618 --> 01:47:34,621
as I consider this site and I consider

2853
01:47:34,621 --> 01:47:37,624
the comments we've received here regarding just

2854
01:47:37,624 --> 01:47:39,624
the proximity

2855
01:47:40,594 --> 01:47:42,594
of

2856
01:47:43,597 --> 01:47:45,597
other children's

2857
01:47:45,599 --> 01:47:46,600
abg tiffties -- activity, and the

2858
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:47,601
proximity

2859
01:47:47,601 --> 01:47:49,603
of residents. Especially the resident

2860
01:47:49,603 --> 01:47:51,603
that's been here

2861
01:47:52,606 --> 01:47:54,606
since 1969. She looks

2862
01:47:54,608 --> 01:47:55,609
awful young for being here since 1969. I'm

2863
01:47:55,609 --> 01:47:57,609
not against

2864
01:47:58,612 --> 01:48:01,612
the use but I think

2865
01:48:01,615 --> 01:48:02,616
this may

2866
01:48:02,616 --> 01:48:04,618
not be the location. Are there any

2867
01:48:04,618 --> 01:48:05,619
other

2868
01:48:05,619 --> 01:48:06,620
thoughts or final comments by the commission?

2869
01:48:06,620 --> 01:48:07,621
>>

2870
01:48:07,621 --> 01:48:08,622
I think the convenience of it being

2871
01:48:08,622 --> 01:48:09,623
within

2872
01:48:09,623 --> 01:48:10,624
the community, no different than when

2873
01:48:10,624 --> 01:48:11,625
we do look

2874
01:48:11,625 --> 01:48:13,627
for a day care. I like it near by

2875
01:48:13,627 --> 01:48:15,627
my home

2876
01:48:16,597 --> 01:48:18,599
so that I can

2877
01:48:18,599 --> 01:48:20,601
pick up and drop off kids. Dogs. It

2878
01:48:20,601 --> 01:48:22,603
would be an interesting study, 71

2879
01:48:22,603 --> 01:48:24,603
dogs versus

2880
01:48:25,606 --> 01:48:27,606
180 kids which one

2881
01:48:27,608 --> 01:48:28,609
is louder in the day. This happens

2882
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:30,609
to

2883
01:48:30,611 --> 01:48:31,612
be a larger commercial property and

2884
01:48:31,612 --> 01:48:33,612
this property just

2885
01:48:34,615 --> 01:48:36,615
happens to be

2886
01:48:37,618 --> 01:48:39,620
on one side of

2887
01:48:39,620 --> 01:48:43,624
it. But the over all residential area

2888
01:48:43,624 --> 01:48:46,240
was built adjacent to

2889
01:48:46,627 --> 01:48:49,596
a large commercial property. So

2890
01:48:49,596 --> 01:48:50,597
the church noise,

2891
01:48:50,597 --> 01:48:52,599
the other noise. I'm mixed, I am mixed

2892
01:48:52,599 --> 01:48:55,602
because of its --but I think

2893
01:48:55,602 --> 01:48:57,602
there's a value

2894
01:48:58,605 --> 01:48:59,606
and

2895
01:48:59,606 --> 01:49:01,608
a convenience of it as well being

2896
01:49:01,608 --> 01:49:02,609
so close.

2897
01:49:02,609 --> 01:49:04,609
>> with

2898
01:49:07,614 --> 01:49:10,614
that said is there a

2899
01:49:13,620 --> 01:49:15,620
motion by

2900
01:49:16,623 --> 01:49:17,624
the commission?

2901
01:49:17,624 --> 01:49:19,624
>>

2902
01:49:19,626 --> 01:49:22,260
okay I move to

2903
01:49:22,596 --> 01:49:25,596
approve pd178r2r-cu at 145

2904
01:49:25,599 --> 01:49:27,599
west

2905
01:49:28,602 --> 01:49:30,602
town center

2906
01:49:31,605 --> 01:49:33,605
drive. A zoning

2907
01:49:36,610 --> 01:49:37,611
change request from pd178r2r-planned

2908
01:49:37,611 --> 01:49:38,612
develop to-78 commercial

2909
01:49:38,612 --> 01:49:40,614
two pd178r2rc planned development. 178

2910
01:49:40,614 --> 01:49:42,614
revision to

2911
01:49:42,616 --> 01:49:45,616
commercial to revise the detailed

2912
01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,623
site plan for building b at 145

2913
01:49:49,623 --> 01:49:52,626
west town center. Which was a former child

2914
01:49:52,626 --> 01:49:54,595
day care center subject to

2915
01:49:54,595 --> 01:49:55,596
staff conditions.

2916
01:49:55,596 --> 01:49:56,597
>> okay we have

2917
01:49:56,597 --> 01:49:57,598
a

2918
01:49:57,598 --> 01:49:58,599
motion by commissioner hafemann is

2919
01:49:58,599 --> 01:49:59,600
there a second.

2920
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:00,601
>> I

2921
01:50:00,601 --> 01:50:01,602
will second.

2922
01:50:01,602 --> 01:50:02,603
>> I'm sorry. There was

2923
01:50:02,603 --> 01:50:04,603
a

2924
01:50:04,605 --> 01:50:07,608
second okay so we have a

2925
01:50:07,608 --> 01:50:09,608
motion

2926
01:50:10,611 --> 01:50:12,611
by commissioners hafemann

2927
01:50:13,614 --> 01:50:15,614
and a

2928
01:50:16,617 --> 01:50:18,617
essential

2929
01:50:18,619 --> 01:50:19,620
by commissioner dobmeier.

2930
01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:20,621
>> commissioner

2931
01:50:20,621 --> 01:50:21,622
dobmeier.

2932
01:50:21,622 --> 01:50:22,623
>>

2933
01:50:22,623 --> 01:50:23,624
aye.

2934
01:50:23,624 --> 01:50:24,625
>> blankeship. >>

2935
01:50:24,625 --> 01:50:25,626
nae.

2936
01:50:25,626 --> 01:50:26,627
>> commissioner patel. >> aye. >>

2937
01:50:26,627 --> 01:50:27,594
and commissioner bishop.

2938
01:50:27,594 --> 01:50:28,595
>> nae.

2939
01:50:28,595 --> 01:50:29,596
can you hear me?

2940
01:50:29,596 --> 01:50:31,596
>> yeah, we got

2941
01:50:31,598 --> 01:50:33,598
you now. So

2942
01:50:34,601 --> 01:50:35,602
that, motion is a tie. That motion

2943
01:50:35,602 --> 01:50:37,602
is

2944
01:50:37,604 --> 01:50:40,607
a tie. That motion fails. So we

2945
01:50:40,607 --> 01:50:42,607
need

2946
01:50:43,610 --> 01:50:45,610
another

2947
01:50:46,613 --> 01:50:48,613
motion

2948
01:50:49,616 --> 01:50:50,617
by the commission. Sue.

2949
01:50:50,617 --> 01:50:52,617
>> I motion

2950
01:50:52,619 --> 01:50:55,190
to deny consideration of

2951
01:50:55,622 --> 01:50:56,623
pd-178r2r-c.

2952
01:50:56,623 --> 01:50:58,625
>> we have a denial by commissioner

2953
01:50:58,625 --> 01:51:01,595
blankenship. I will second that

2954
01:51:01,595 --> 01:51:03,595
motion. Cammy

2955
01:51:07,601 --> 01:51:10,601
would you call the roll

2956
01:51:11,605 --> 01:51:12,606
please.

2957
01:51:12,606 --> 01:51:14,606
>> commissioner dobmeier. >> nae. >>

2958
01:51:16,610 --> 01:51:17,611
vice chair blankenship.

2959
01:51:17,611 --> 01:51:19,611
>>

2960
01:51:19,613 --> 01:51:20,614
aye.

2961
01:51:20,614 --> 01:51:22,614
>> commissioner haas. >>

2962
01:51:22,616 --> 01:51:24,616
commissioner

2963
01:51:25,619 --> 01:51:26,620
bishop.

2964
01:51:26,620 --> 01:51:27,621
>> aye. >> so

2965
01:51:27,621 --> 01:51:28,622
that motion fails. We're landlocked.

2966
01:51:28,622 --> 01:51:29,623
>>

2967
01:51:29,623 --> 01:51:31,625
as a matter of law,

2968
01:51:31,625 --> 01:51:33,627
it requires a majority to

2969
01:51:33,627 --> 01:51:34,595
be approved. That means 50% plus one. You

2970
01:51:34,595 --> 01:51:36,595
did not

2971
01:51:37,598 --> 01:51:40,598
receive 50% plus one so it's

2972
01:51:40,601 --> 01:51:41,602
denied.

2973
01:51:41,602 --> 01:51:42,603
>> so it's denied. >>

2974
01:51:42,603 --> 01:51:43,604
yes, sir.

2975
01:51:43,604 --> 01:51:44,605
>> okay. So the application

2976
01:51:44,605 --> 01:51:46,605
as presented

2977
01:51:46,607 --> 01:51:47,608
is denied. You have the ability to

2978
01:51:47,608 --> 01:51:48,609
appeal to

2979
01:51:48,609 --> 01:51:50,611
council for your application. But

2980
01:51:50,611 --> 01:51:53,110
thank you to those

2981
01:51:53,614 --> 01:51:55,614
who came

2982
01:51:56,617 --> 01:51:58,617
tonight

2983
01:51:59,620 --> 01:52:01,620
and the

2984
01:52:02,623 --> 01:52:04,623
input

2985
01:52:05,626 --> 01:52:06,627
for that. Okay, moving

2986
01:52:06,627 --> 01:52:07,594
on. Item nine. Considering approval

2987
01:52:07,594 --> 01:52:11,194
of pd-296r-li, samaritans purse addition

2988
01:52:11,598 --> 01:52:13,598
lot 1r block

2989
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:14,601
a, a zoning change request from pd-296-li. I'm

2990
01:52:14,601 --> 01:52:16,601
sorry. Let

2991
01:52:17,604 --> 01:52:19,604
me

2992
01:52:20,607 --> 01:52:22,607
back up

2993
01:52:22,609 --> 01:52:25,612
here. A zoning change request from planned development

2994
01:52:25,612 --> 01:52:26,613
to 96 light development and revised light

2995
01:52:26,613 --> 01:52:29,613
industrial. To add parking lot

2996
01:52:29,616 --> 01:52:31,618
to add a parking lot to

2997
01:52:31,618 --> 01:52:32,619
the south of the existing planned development

2998
01:52:32,619 --> 01:52:34,619
for parking

2999
01:52:35,622 --> 01:52:37,622
and update the

3000
01:52:38,625 --> 01:52:41,250
existing site plan for

3001
01:52:41,595 --> 01:52:43,597
a new additional 37,699 square

3002
01:52:43,597 --> 01:52:44,598
foot three story professional building office building

3003
01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:46,598
located

3004
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,602
on approximately 13 acres of land on the

3005
01:52:48,602 --> 01:52:50,604
west side of creek view drive approximately

3006
01:52:50,604 --> 01:52:52,604
525

3007
01:52:53,607 --> 01:52:55,607
feet north of

3008
01:52:56,610 --> 01:52:57,611
bethel road at the request

3009
01:52:57,611 --> 01:52:59,613
of samaritan's purse and fellowship

3010
01:52:59,613 --> 01:53:01,613
purse. And

3011
01:53:02,616 --> 01:53:03,617
being represented by kelsey

3012
01:53:03,617 --> 01:53:05,619
campbell. We have a staff presentation by mrs.

3013
01:53:05,619 --> 01:53:06,620
mary prune boswell.

3014
01:53:06,620 --> 01:53:08,620
>>

3015
01:53:08,622 --> 01:53:11,625
mr. Chairman if you choose to you

3016
01:53:11,625 --> 01:53:12,626
can also, do the replat of

3017
01:53:12,626 --> 01:53:14,595
the two lots that would result. If

3018
01:53:14,595 --> 01:53:16,595
you will just

3019
01:53:17,598 --> 01:53:18,599
read that first sentence that will

3020
01:53:18,599 --> 01:53:19,600
get us to that issue.

3021
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,600
>> is anybody

3022
01:53:22,603 --> 01:53:23,604
opposed on the commission on that? Okay. So

3023
01:53:23,604 --> 01:53:25,604
we're

3024
01:53:26,607 --> 01:53:28,607
going to

3025
01:53:29,610 --> 01:53:32,100
combine nine and 10. Item

3026
01:53:32,613 --> 01:53:34,613
10 is a

3027
01:53:34,615 --> 01:53:35,616
public hearing to consider approval

3028
01:53:35,616 --> 01:53:37,616
of samaritan's purse

3029
01:53:38,619 --> 01:53:40,621
addition lot 1r and two block

3030
01:53:40,621 --> 01:53:41,622
a replat. A plat request to create

3031
01:53:41,622 --> 01:53:43,622
two lots

3032
01:53:43,624 --> 01:53:47,594
extending lot 1r south of the existing

3033
01:53:47,594 --> 01:53:50,597
planned development to be used for additional parking

3034
01:53:50,597 --> 01:53:52,599
and the existing gas well

3035
01:53:52,599 --> 01:53:55,599
site on lot 2 on approximately 27.6

3036
01:53:56,603 --> 01:53:59,300
acres of land located

3037
01:53:59,606 --> 01:54:01,608
on the west side of creekview

3038
01:54:01,608 --> 01:54:04,608
drive approximately 525 feet north of

3039
01:54:05,612 --> 01:54:07,612
bethel road at

3040
01:54:08,615 --> 01:54:11,150
the request of fellowship

3041
01:54:11,618 --> 01:54:13,618
church

3042
01:54:13,620 --> 01:54:15,622
fka fellowship in hras colinas being

3043
01:54:15,622 --> 01:54:17,624
represented by kelsey campbell, kimley-horn

3044
01:54:17,624 --> 01:54:18,625
& associates.

3045
01:54:18,625 --> 01:54:20,625
>> all the

3046
01:54:20,627 --> 01:54:22,596
property was

3047
01:54:22,596 --> 01:54:23,597
once owned by fellowship church. A

3048
01:54:23,597 --> 01:54:24,598
portion was sold

3049
01:54:24,598 --> 01:54:26,600
to samaritan's purse and developed

3050
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,600
as warehouse space. This is

3051
01:54:29,603 --> 01:54:31,605
an expanse of the samaritan

3052
01:54:31,605 --> 01:54:32,606
purse site. So there's two main changes. One

3053
01:54:32,606 --> 01:54:34,606
is

3054
01:54:35,609 --> 01:54:38,612
to remove parking for the addition

3055
01:54:38,612 --> 01:54:40,612
of a

3056
01:54:41,615 --> 01:54:44,615
new three story building. The

3057
01:54:44,618 --> 01:54:47,618
location of the new building

3058
01:54:47,621 --> 01:54:49,623
necessitated the parking and the fire

3059
01:54:49,623 --> 01:54:50,624
lane. The new buildings large floor will

3060
01:54:50,624 --> 01:54:52,624
include staff

3061
01:54:52,626 --> 01:54:55,596
devotion for 70 and guest training. The

3062
01:54:55,596 --> 01:54:57,598
second floor will house 30 of their

3063
01:54:57,598 --> 01:54:59,600
information technology staff and the

3064
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,600
third floor is for future

3065
01:55:02,603 --> 01:55:05,603
growth. In order to accommodate

3066
01:55:05,606 --> 01:55:06,607
the new building and the parking associated

3067
01:55:06,607 --> 01:55:08,607
with it,

3068
01:55:08,609 --> 01:55:09,610
and the parking that was lost to the new

3069
01:55:09,610 --> 01:55:11,610
building footprint

3070
01:55:11,612 --> 01:55:13,612
a new parking

3071
01:55:14,615 --> 01:55:15,616
lot will be constructed

3072
01:55:15,616 --> 01:55:18,619
south of the existing lot. The new

3073
01:55:18,619 --> 01:55:20,621
parking is the second main change. So

3074
01:55:20,621 --> 01:55:22,621
they are

3075
01:55:23,624 --> 01:55:25,626
plotting some land to the

3076
01:55:25,626 --> 01:55:26,627
south to -- the required parking. They're

3077
01:55:26,627 --> 01:55:28,627
removing 60

3078
01:55:29,596 --> 01:55:31,996
spaces and adding back

3079
01:55:32,599 --> 01:55:33,600
176 for a grand total of 399 spaces

3080
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,602
on-site. So the elevation shows that the

3081
01:55:35,602 --> 01:55:37,602
majority of the

3082
01:55:38,605 --> 01:55:40,607
building will be brick with a

3083
01:55:40,607 --> 01:55:41,608
small portion to be stucco. There

3084
01:55:41,608 --> 01:55:43,608
are three

3085
01:55:44,611 --> 01:55:46,611
brick

3086
01:55:47,614 --> 01:55:49,616
colors proposed. The stucco will be a

3087
01:55:49,616 --> 01:55:50,617
pepper corn color. Here we're looking at

3088
01:55:50,617 --> 01:55:51,618
the elevations

3089
01:55:51,618 --> 01:55:53,620
of the new three story building. It's

3090
01:55:53,620 --> 01:55:55,620
just under 200

3091
01:55:56,623 --> 01:55:57,624
feet of height. It will have

3092
01:55:57,624 --> 01:55:59,626
a canopy on the front. In terms of

3093
01:55:59,626 --> 01:56:00,627
building signage I know there's one

3094
01:56:00,627 --> 01:56:02,596
shown

3095
01:56:02,596 --> 01:56:05,596
on the diagram here on

3096
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,200
the illustration but it's just for

3097
01:56:14,608 --> 01:56:15,609
illustrative purposes. In terms of landscaping,

3098
01:56:15,609 --> 01:56:16,610
so that

3099
01:56:16,610 --> 01:56:17,611
they meet the site requirement staff

3100
01:56:17,611 --> 01:56:19,611
will

3101
01:56:20,614 --> 01:56:21,615
be working with the applicant for tree

3102
01:56:21,615 --> 01:56:23,615
placement along

3103
01:56:23,617 --> 01:56:26,620
creek view drive. Since there is a major

3104
01:56:26,620 --> 01:56:28,620
gas easement

3105
01:56:28,622 --> 01:56:31,625
that runs parallel to the street. Staff

3106
01:56:31,625 --> 01:56:35,596
is requesting a condition that would allow us to

3107
01:56:35,596 --> 01:56:36,597
administratively approve any

3108
01:56:36,597 --> 01:56:38,599
landscaping to the easement. They

3109
01:56:38,599 --> 01:56:40,999
are proposing 40 trees, 19 trees

3110
01:56:41,602 --> 01:56:43,604
in the parking and outdoor patio

3111
01:56:43,604 --> 01:56:44,605
area. The new parking area will require

3112
01:56:44,605 --> 01:56:46,605
existing

3113
01:56:47,608 --> 01:56:50,611
trees to be removed, so the

3114
01:56:50,611 --> 01:56:51,612
applicant will be requesting that

3115
01:56:51,612 --> 01:56:53,612
the

3116
01:56:53,614 --> 01:56:56,140
fees for tree mitigation

3117
01:56:56,617 --> 01:56:59,617
be waived. This can only

3118
01:56:59,620 --> 01:57:02,620
be done by council. So

3119
01:57:02,623 --> 01:57:06,223
let's see here. In addition there's

3120
01:57:07,628 --> 01:57:08,595
a larger tree that requires city council

3121
01:57:08,595 --> 01:57:10,597
approval as well. So

3122
01:57:10,597 --> 01:57:11,598
now we're looking at the northern

3123
01:57:11,598 --> 01:57:13,598
portion

3124
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:14,601
of the site. So the blue represents

3125
01:57:14,601 --> 01:57:17,601
the new building. And then

3126
01:57:17,604 --> 01:57:19,604
just to the

3127
01:57:20,607 --> 01:57:22,607
left of that

3128
01:57:23,610 --> 01:57:25,610
you will

3129
01:57:26,613 --> 01:57:28,613
see

3130
01:57:29,616 --> 01:57:30,617
the new patio area with pergola that they're

3131
01:57:30,617 --> 01:57:32,617
planning. Again

3132
01:57:32,619 --> 01:57:35,190
this was a zone

3133
01:57:35,622 --> 01:57:38,625
change request. We did send out

3134
01:57:38,625 --> 01:57:40,625
notifications within 200

3135
01:57:41,595 --> 01:57:42,596
feet. Additional courtesy within 800

3136
01:57:42,596 --> 01:57:44,598
feet and received no responses. And

3137
01:57:44,598 --> 01:57:46,600
we do have conditions,

3138
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:47,601
so staff is recommending approval of

3139
01:57:47,601 --> 01:57:49,601
the request

3140
01:57:50,604 --> 01:57:51,605
subject to the following conditions. One

3141
01:57:51,605 --> 01:57:53,605
that

3142
01:57:53,607 --> 01:57:55,609
there may be additional

3143
01:57:55,609 --> 01:57:56,610
comments during the building, comment. Two

3144
01:57:56,610 --> 01:57:59,100
that a replat will

3145
01:58:00,614 --> 01:58:01,615
be required and recorded prior

3146
01:58:01,615 --> 01:58:03,617
to building permit. Three that if

3147
01:58:03,617 --> 01:58:05,617
tree mitigation fees

3148
01:58:06,620 --> 01:58:09,200
are not waived that

3149
01:58:09,623 --> 01:58:11,625
the mitigation fees be

3150
01:58:11,625 --> 01:58:14,595
paid prior to plat recordation. Three,

3151
01:58:14,595 --> 01:58:17,595
to allow staff to administratively

3152
01:58:17,598 --> 01:58:19,600
approve my changes related to the landscaping

3153
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:21,602
in the 30-foot gas easement. Five that

3154
01:58:21,602 --> 01:58:23,602
a

3155
01:58:24,605 --> 01:58:25,606
signage must comply with the

3156
01:58:25,606 --> 01:58:27,608
city ordnances. And six, a downstream

3157
01:58:27,608 --> 01:58:30,800
drainage analysis will be

3158
01:58:30,611 --> 01:58:31,612
required in order to

3159
01:58:31,612 --> 01:58:33,614
determine whether storm water detention

3160
01:58:33,614 --> 01:58:35,614
is needed. I'm

3161
01:58:35,616 --> 01:58:36,617
going to go through item 10. Item

3162
01:58:36,617 --> 01:58:37,618
10

3163
01:58:37,618 --> 01:58:39,620
is essentially the companion piece. So

3164
01:58:39,620 --> 01:58:41,620
it's

3165
01:58:42,623 --> 01:58:43,624
a plat, the plat

3166
01:58:43,624 --> 01:58:45,626
to create two lots which includes extending

3167
01:58:45,626 --> 01:58:47,626
plot one

3168
01:58:47,628 --> 01:58:48,595
to be used for the additional parking

3169
01:58:48,595 --> 01:58:49,596
and lot two

3170
01:58:49,596 --> 01:58:51,598
will consistent of the existing gas

3171
01:58:51,598 --> 01:58:52,599
well

3172
01:58:52,599 --> 01:58:54,601
and the remainder of the existing tract. So

3173
01:58:54,601 --> 01:58:56,601
the one

3174
01:58:57,604 --> 01:58:59,604
in yellow is

3175
01:59:00,607 --> 01:59:02,607
the new lot

3176
01:59:03,610 --> 01:59:06,100
for the samaritan's first

3177
01:59:06,613 --> 01:59:08,613
expansion.

3178
01:59:09,616 --> 01:59:11,616
and

3179
01:59:11,618 --> 01:59:12,619
again, this is the companion piece. So

3180
01:59:12,619 --> 01:59:14,619
in

3181
01:59:15,622 --> 01:59:17,622
terms

3182
01:59:17,624 --> 01:59:20,240
of recommendation, staff recommends

3183
01:59:20,627 --> 01:59:22,596
approval of the samaritan's purse fellowship

3184
01:59:22,596 --> 01:59:24,598
addition replat. That additional comments

3185
01:59:24,598 --> 01:59:25,599
may be

3186
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:26,600
generated upon detail engineering

3187
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:27,601
permit reviews. That's the end of

3188
01:59:27,601 --> 01:59:30,604
my presentation and the applicant is

3189
01:59:30,604 --> 01:59:31,605
here in the audience as well if

3190
01:59:31,605 --> 01:59:32,606
you have any questions.

3191
01:59:32,606 --> 01:59:33,607
>> okay. Thank

3192
01:59:33,607 --> 01:59:35,607
you mary. Two

3193
01:59:36,610 --> 01:59:38,610
questions, you think

3194
01:59:39,613 --> 01:59:41,615
you can go back to the

3195
01:59:41,615 --> 01:59:44,615
conditions. One tree mitigation fees

3196
01:59:45,619 --> 01:59:48,190
are if they're not

3197
01:59:48,622 --> 01:59:50,622
waived the mitigation

3198
01:59:50,624 --> 01:59:51,625
--so the applicant is requesting waving

3199
01:59:51,625 --> 01:59:52,626
of the mitigation.

3200
01:59:52,626 --> 01:59:53,627
>> yes. >>

3201
01:59:53,627 --> 01:59:54,595
what's the reason for that?

3202
01:59:54,595 --> 01:59:55,596
>> I guess

3203
01:59:55,596 --> 01:59:56,597
you can ask

3204
01:59:56,597 --> 01:59:57,598
them.

3205
01:59:57,598 --> 01:59:58,599
>> did they express any concern

3206
01:59:58,599 --> 01:59:59,600
to staff.

3207
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:00,601
>> no they just

3208
02:00:00,601 --> 02:00:02,603
said that they were asking for

3209
02:00:02,603 --> 02:00:03,604
waiver of the fees.

3210
02:00:03,604 --> 02:00:04,605
>> and then with

3211
02:00:04,605 --> 02:00:05,606
regards to administratively

3212
02:00:05,606 --> 02:00:06,607
approve the changes on landscaping,

3213
02:00:06,607 --> 02:00:08,607
if we were

3214
02:00:08,609 --> 02:00:12,613
to remove that. What would be required? They

3215
02:00:12,613 --> 02:00:14,615
would have to come through the

3216
02:00:14,615 --> 02:00:15,616
planning zoning commission again?

3217
02:00:15,616 --> 02:00:16,617
>>

3218
02:00:16,617 --> 02:00:18,617
yeah, we're just

3219
02:00:18,619 --> 02:00:20,619
asking because, with

3220
02:00:20,621 --> 02:00:21,622
the easement there, we may need to

3221
02:00:21,622 --> 02:00:23,622
kind

3222
02:00:23,624 --> 02:00:24,625
of jockey where the trees are located. Maybe

3223
02:00:24,625 --> 02:00:26,625
not

3224
02:00:26,627 --> 02:00:27,628
necessarily have them spaced accordingly. We may

3225
02:00:27,628 --> 02:00:29,596
have

3226
02:00:29,596 --> 02:00:30,597
to group them in other areas. It just

3227
02:00:30,597 --> 02:00:32,599
allows us some flexibility

3228
02:00:32,599 --> 02:00:33,600
so we don't have to come back to say

3229
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:35,600
hey

3230
02:00:36,603 --> 02:00:38,605
this isn't working, now we

3231
02:00:38,605 --> 02:00:39,606
have to do this.

3232
02:00:39,606 --> 02:00:40,607
>> understood there. The

3233
02:00:40,607 --> 02:00:41,608
elevations, the proposed three

3234
02:00:41,608 --> 02:00:42,609
story building, how does the height

3235
02:00:42,609 --> 02:00:44,609
of that,

3236
02:00:45,612 --> 02:00:47,612
does it align

3237
02:00:47,614 --> 02:00:48,615
with the height of the current building?

3238
02:00:48,615 --> 02:00:49,616
>>

3239
02:00:49,616 --> 02:00:50,617
I think the

3240
02:00:50,617 --> 02:00:51,618
current building might be a little bit shorter

3241
02:00:51,618 --> 02:00:53,618
but

3242
02:00:54,621 --> 02:00:56,621
everything around there

3243
02:00:57,624 --> 02:01:00,624
is light industrial. And it

3244
02:01:00,627 --> 02:01:02,627
backs

3245
02:01:03,597 --> 02:01:05,599
up to like citigroup

3246
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:06,600
vine.

3247
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:07,601
>> --city grapevine. >> so there's nothing

3248
02:01:07,601 --> 02:01:08,602
that.

3249
02:01:08,602 --> 02:01:09,603
>> right, right. >>

3250
02:01:09,603 --> 02:01:12,606
the waving of the tree mitigation

3251
02:01:12,606 --> 02:01:13,607
that's not part of this for planning

3252
02:01:13,607 --> 02:01:14,608
and

3253
02:01:14,608 --> 02:01:15,609
zoning to approve. It's not part of

3254
02:01:15,609 --> 02:01:16,610
this application.

3255
02:01:16,610 --> 02:01:18,610
>> any fee

3256
02:01:18,612 --> 02:01:19,613
is not part of

3257
02:01:19,613 --> 02:01:21,615
your purview so that will go straight

3258
02:01:21,615 --> 02:01:22,616
to city council.

3259
02:01:22,616 --> 02:01:24,616
>>

3260
02:01:24,618 --> 02:01:25,619
so mary, if it's not part of our purview

3261
02:01:25,619 --> 02:01:27,621
why is it brought

3262
02:01:27,621 --> 02:01:29,621
up before

3263
02:01:30,624 --> 02:01:31,625
us.

3264
02:01:31,625 --> 02:01:32,626
>> it's

3265
02:01:32,626 --> 02:01:33,627
just part of the conditions.

3266
02:01:33,627 --> 02:01:35,627
>> okay. Any other

3267
02:01:36,597 --> 02:01:37,598
questions of staff? In

3268
02:01:37,598 --> 02:01:39,600
the cross-examination. Okay. Thank

3269
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,000
you. Is the applicant

3270
02:01:43,604 --> 02:01:47,204
here? Mrs. Campbell to present the

3271
02:01:51,612 --> 02:01:52,613
case. Mr. Campbell.

3272
02:01:52,613 --> 02:01:54,613
>> yes

3273
02:01:54,615 --> 02:01:56,617
I'm craig yancy. 1201 creek view

3274
02:01:56,617 --> 02:01:57,618
drive for samaritan's first coppell. Good

3275
02:01:57,618 --> 02:01:59,618
to see some

3276
02:01:59,620 --> 02:02:00,621
familiar faces.

3277
02:02:00,621 --> 02:02:01,622
>> it's been a while. >>

3278
02:02:01,622 --> 02:02:03,622
yeah. It's been

3279
02:02:03,624 --> 02:02:05,624
about 15 I

3280
02:02:06,627 --> 02:02:07,628
think. I'm glad to answer any questions.

3281
02:02:07,628 --> 02:02:08,595
>>

3282
02:02:08,595 --> 02:02:09,596
okay. It's not within our purview but

3283
02:02:09,596 --> 02:02:10,597
why are

3284
02:02:10,597 --> 02:02:11,598
we requesting waving of the tree mitigation.

3285
02:02:11,598 --> 02:02:12,599
>>

3286
02:02:12,599 --> 02:02:15,602
sure we asked for them last time

3287
02:02:15,602 --> 02:02:18,605
as well. And it was denied. I think

3288
02:02:18,605 --> 02:02:19,606
it was a split vote. But samaritan

3289
02:02:19,606 --> 02:02:20,607
first

3290
02:02:20,607 --> 02:02:21,608
is a global ministry and if you, obviously

3291
02:02:21,608 --> 02:02:23,608
the intent

3292
02:02:24,611 --> 02:02:27,611
of the preordnance is for

3293
02:02:27,614 --> 02:02:28,615
a developer to

3294
02:02:28,615 --> 02:02:29,616
preserve trees wherever possible. And

3295
02:02:29,616 --> 02:02:30,617
to, supplement the parks department

3296
02:02:30,617 --> 02:02:33,170
to replace those trees

3297
02:02:33,620 --> 02:02:35,620
and where they

3298
02:02:36,623 --> 02:02:38,623
can be planted.

3299
02:02:39,626 --> 02:02:41,626
I

3300
02:02:42,596 --> 02:02:43,597
totally understand that. It would

3301
02:02:43,597 --> 02:02:45,597
be,

3302
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:47,601
it is a global ministry and

3303
02:02:47,601 --> 02:02:48,602
it is a faith based organization. If

3304
02:02:48,602 --> 02:02:50,602
this was

3305
02:02:51,605 --> 02:02:52,606
a regular develop. We would not ask

3306
02:02:52,606 --> 02:02:54,606
to waive

3307
02:02:54,608 --> 02:02:55,609
it.

3308
02:02:55,609 --> 02:02:56,610
>> is samaritans purse were ever

3309
02:02:56,610 --> 02:02:57,611
to leave

3310
02:02:57,611 --> 02:02:58,612
this location, those trees would be

3311
02:02:58,612 --> 02:02:59,613
brought down

3312
02:02:59,613 --> 02:03:03,213
and another development came in and

3313
02:03:03,617 --> 02:03:06,620
if it were waived, then we would,

3314
02:03:06,620 --> 02:03:08,622
lose the trees. I guess, it's not within

3315
02:03:08,622 --> 02:03:09,623
my purview.

3316
02:03:09,623 --> 02:03:10,624
>> I don't mind telling

3317
02:03:10,624 --> 02:03:12,626
you. I think if

3318
02:03:12,626 --> 02:03:15,260
their 40 years of existence

3319
02:03:15,596 --> 02:03:16,597
they never sold real estate any where. And

3320
02:03:16,597 --> 02:03:18,597
you

3321
02:03:18,599 --> 02:03:21,602
know, the flip side as well

3322
02:03:21,602 --> 02:03:23,604
that it's owned by fellowship church. At

3323
02:03:23,604 --> 02:03:24,605
any time fellowship church could have

3324
02:03:24,605 --> 02:03:27,500
developed it for church

3325
02:03:27,608 --> 02:03:30,800
use and there would

3326
02:03:30,611 --> 02:03:33,611
not be any mitigation fees

3327
02:03:33,614 --> 02:03:35,614
because churches are

3328
02:03:36,617 --> 02:03:37,618
completely excluded. I'm sure you

3329
02:03:37,618 --> 02:03:39,618
would correct

3330
02:03:39,620 --> 02:03:40,621
me if I'm wrong.

3331
02:03:40,621 --> 02:03:41,622
>> this is just more

3332
02:03:41,622 --> 02:03:42,623
of

3333
02:03:42,623 --> 02:03:43,624
a curiosity question. So would putting

3334
02:03:43,624 --> 02:03:45,624
the new building

3335
02:03:45,626 --> 02:03:47,628
there and you're removing I think mary

3336
02:03:47,628 --> 02:03:48,595
said 71 parking spaces but you're adding

3337
02:03:48,595 --> 02:03:50,595
in 130

3338
02:03:50,597 --> 02:03:51,598
something. I don't remember the number. Why

3339
02:03:51,598 --> 02:03:52,599
the additional spaces?

3340
02:03:52,599 --> 02:03:54,599
>>

3341
02:03:54,601 --> 02:03:57,604
when we first looked at this,

3342
02:03:57,604 --> 02:03:59,606
this was all driven by needing a place

3343
02:03:59,606 --> 02:04:02,609
to put cloud support, it people. So

3344
02:04:02,609 --> 02:04:03,610
and we're totally out of office space

3345
02:04:03,610 --> 02:04:06,613
in the building. And so that wasn't

3346
02:04:06,613 --> 02:04:08,615
an option to keep building out space

3347
02:04:08,615 --> 02:04:09,616
in the building. They even discussed

3348
02:04:09,616 --> 02:04:10,617
doing two floors in the building and

3349
02:04:10,617 --> 02:04:12,617
I told them

3350
02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:16,623
you would have to be out of

3351
02:04:16,623 --> 02:04:18,623
here

3352
02:04:21,595 --> 02:04:25,599
for a year while we remodeled it

3353
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:27,999
and it would be

3354
02:04:28,602 --> 02:04:30,604
cry --crazy money. We went

3355
02:04:30,604 --> 02:04:31,605
to --the last manhole for sanitary

3356
02:04:31,605 --> 02:04:33,605
sewer is

3357
02:04:33,607 --> 02:04:34,608
right at that bend creek view. So I

3358
02:04:34,608 --> 02:04:36,608
had

3359
02:04:37,611 --> 02:04:39,611
to run 200

3360
02:04:40,614 --> 02:04:41,615
feet

3361
02:04:41,615 --> 02:04:43,617
when we built the first building. The

3362
02:04:43,617 --> 02:04:45,617
private sewer

3363
02:04:46,620 --> 02:04:48,622
line was put so they

3364
02:04:48,622 --> 02:04:51,625
could develop on bethel road. Dbt

3365
02:04:51,625 --> 02:04:55,225
has been acquired by proledges. Prolodges

3366
02:04:55,596 --> 02:04:56,597
is very nice to us. They've

3367
02:04:56,597 --> 02:04:58,599
been a temporary landlord and we love

3368
02:04:58,599 --> 02:04:59,600
prolodges but we have

3369
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:01,602
been unable to get permission from

3370
02:05:01,602 --> 02:05:02,603
them to use their

3371
02:05:02,603 --> 02:05:04,605
sanitary sewer line. I don't blame

3372
02:05:04,605 --> 02:05:06,607
them. If ever they would

3373
02:05:06,607 --> 02:05:07,608
ask me, I would say no. I don't want

3374
02:05:07,608 --> 02:05:09,608
a tenant

3375
02:05:10,611 --> 02:05:13,611
calling me with a problem

3376
02:05:13,614 --> 02:05:14,615
and I have this

3377
02:05:14,615 --> 02:05:16,617
other guy calling me about it. We're

3378
02:05:16,617 --> 02:05:18,617
given up on

3379
02:05:19,620 --> 02:05:22,200
that. And we're not

3380
02:05:22,623 --> 02:05:25,230
upset about it. But

3381
02:05:25,626 --> 02:05:26,627
this lot

3382
02:05:26,627 --> 02:05:28,595
is undeveloppable without sewer. The

3383
02:05:28,595 --> 02:05:30,595
most logical thing

3384
02:05:30,597 --> 02:05:31,598
to do is put parking there. We located

3385
02:05:31,598 --> 02:05:32,599
the building so

3386
02:05:32,599 --> 02:05:34,601
it would make all the existing driveways

3387
02:05:34,601 --> 02:05:36,603
align and so everything just worked

3388
02:05:36,603 --> 02:05:37,604
out. That's how I ended up with 35

3389
02:05:37,604 --> 02:05:39,606
feet between the truck

3390
02:05:39,606 --> 02:05:42,609
work fence and the wall of this building. Since

3391
02:05:42,609 --> 02:05:43,610
that becomes kind of an ugly space

3392
02:05:43,610 --> 02:05:45,610
looking at

3393
02:05:46,613 --> 02:05:49,616
the front court. That's how we

3394
02:05:49,616 --> 02:05:52,616
got down the road of

3395
02:05:52,619 --> 02:05:54,619
let's do some

3396
02:05:54,621 --> 02:05:55,622
really nice landscaping, a pergola and

3397
02:05:55,622 --> 02:05:57,622
try to make

3398
02:05:58,625 --> 02:06:01,595
it an amenity. So that's how

3399
02:06:01,595 --> 02:06:02,596
we got here.

3400
02:06:02,596 --> 02:06:04,596
>> why the

3401
02:06:04,598 --> 02:06:05,599
additional spaces.

3402
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:06,600
>>

3403
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:07,601
yeah, sure. During shoe box collection season,

3404
02:06:07,601 --> 02:06:08,602
sorry,

3405
02:06:08,602 --> 02:06:10,604
samaritan collects about 1,200 shoe boxes

3406
02:06:10,604 --> 02:06:12,606
with a gift for children. I

3407
02:06:12,606 --> 02:06:15,609
don't know if you're familiar with

3408
02:06:15,609 --> 02:06:16,610
that. Coppell does about 10% of those

3409
02:06:16,610 --> 02:06:17,611
it's

3410
02:06:17,611 --> 02:06:19,613
a great distribution center. Those volunteers

3411
02:06:19,613 --> 02:06:21,613
that come. Some

3412
02:06:22,616 --> 02:06:25,619
of them come by bus. Some come

3413
02:06:25,619 --> 02:06:27,621
car pooling. But in

3414
02:06:27,621 --> 02:06:28,622
some cases we do shuttle people from

3415
02:06:28,622 --> 02:06:30,622
a

3416
02:06:31,625 --> 02:06:33,625
remote parking lot

3417
02:06:34,628 --> 02:06:36,597
to shuttle

3418
02:06:36,597 --> 02:06:37,598
them in during volunteer season. It's

3419
02:06:37,598 --> 02:06:39,598
just

3420
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:40,601
mayhem really from thanksgiving to

3421
02:06:40,601 --> 02:06:41,602
christmas. Then it's down

3422
02:06:41,602 --> 02:06:43,604
to, the 50 people on staff. Half of

3423
02:06:43,604 --> 02:06:46,607
them are disaster people and they're

3424
02:06:46,607 --> 02:06:47,608
gone. I mean you can walk in there and

3425
02:06:47,608 --> 02:06:49,608
those

3426
02:06:49,610 --> 02:06:51,610
25 people aren't even

3427
02:06:52,613 --> 02:06:54,615
in the building. So this lot will be

3428
02:06:54,615 --> 02:06:55,616
largely unused for most of the year. There

3429
02:06:55,616 --> 02:06:57,616
are three

3430
02:06:57,618 --> 02:06:58,619
occasions during the year when there's like

3431
02:06:58,619 --> 02:07:00,621
ministry training that happens,

3432
02:07:00,621 --> 02:07:01,622
that will happen at this new building. And

3433
02:07:01,622 --> 02:07:03,622
so,

3434
02:07:03,624 --> 02:07:07,628
part of this goal too is to not have

3435
02:07:07,628 --> 02:07:09,596
to go rent hotel space. This could

3436
02:07:09,596 --> 02:07:10,597
be done here on-site. Then every morning, every employee

3437
02:07:10,597 --> 02:07:12,597
is

3438
02:07:12,599 --> 02:07:13,600
required to go to devotion between

3439
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:15,600
8:00

3440
02:07:16,603 --> 02:07:17,604
and 8:30. So there's a quick

3441
02:07:17,604 --> 02:07:18,605
prayer study. Then a missionary reports

3442
02:07:18,605 --> 02:07:19,606
from something overseas and they watch

3443
02:07:19,606 --> 02:07:21,606
a

3444
02:07:21,608 --> 02:07:22,609
video. So that goes on every morning at

3445
02:07:22,609 --> 02:07:24,611
the building. That's another

3446
02:07:24,611 --> 02:07:25,612
reason they wanted the building here. They

3447
02:07:25,612 --> 02:07:27,614
like all our people together so everyone

3448
02:07:27,614 --> 02:07:28,615
has a sense of community there. So

3449
02:07:28,615 --> 02:07:29,616
that the folks that work

3450
02:07:29,616 --> 02:07:31,618
in the building now they're going to

3451
02:07:31,618 --> 02:07:33,620
walk every morning at 8:00 a.m., come

3452
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:34,621
to this new building and be on the

3453
02:07:34,621 --> 02:07:36,621
first floor. Do

3454
02:07:37,624 --> 02:07:39,624
the

3455
02:07:40,627 --> 02:07:42,596
half hour devotion

3456
02:07:42,596 --> 02:07:43,597
and then go back to work.

3457
02:07:43,597 --> 02:07:44,598
>> okay. I

3458
02:07:44,598 --> 02:07:45,599
missed

3459
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:46,600
it.

3460
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:47,601
>> sure, they're going to stay at this

3461
02:07:47,601 --> 02:07:48,602
building.

3462
02:07:48,602 --> 02:07:49,603
>> the

3463
02:07:49,603 --> 02:07:50,604
it people will work in this

3464
02:07:50,604 --> 02:07:52,606
building. The people that I've got working

3465
02:07:52,606 --> 02:07:55,609
here now there's about 40 people I

3466
02:07:55,609 --> 02:07:56,610
guess on staff in the building now. Every

3467
02:07:56,610 --> 02:07:58,610
morning they're

3468
02:07:58,612 --> 02:08:00,614
going to walk to

3469
02:08:00,614 --> 02:08:03,614
the new building. 100 yards, whatever

3470
02:08:04,618 --> 02:08:06,618
it is

3471
02:08:06,620 --> 02:08:07,621
for devotion.

3472
02:08:07,621 --> 02:08:08,622
>> any other questions

3473
02:08:08,622 --> 02:08:09,623
of the applicant? Okay, we may

3474
02:08:09,623 --> 02:08:10,624
call you back for follow up questions. Is

3475
02:08:10,624 --> 02:08:12,624
there anybody that

3476
02:08:13,627 --> 02:08:15,596
would like to speak

3477
02:08:15,596 --> 02:08:16,597
for or against the proposed application? Okay. Seeing

3478
02:08:16,597 --> 02:08:18,597
none

3479
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:21,600
I will

3480
02:08:22,603 --> 02:08:24,603
close the public

3481
02:08:24,605 --> 02:08:25,606
hearing. Any discussion by the commission? Samit.

3482
02:08:25,606 --> 02:08:26,607
>>

3483
02:08:26,607 --> 02:08:28,607
if

3484
02:08:28,609 --> 02:08:31,612
this parking lot is going to be

3485
02:08:31,612 --> 02:08:34,615
predominantly unused do we need to

3486
02:08:34,615 --> 02:08:37,618
create that much concrete area for, is

3487
02:08:37,618 --> 02:08:39,618
there

3488
02:08:40,621 --> 02:08:43,210
any alternative surfacing that

3489
02:08:43,624 --> 02:08:45,624
won't

3490
02:08:46,627 --> 02:08:48,595
create so much

3491
02:08:48,595 --> 02:08:49,596
heat?

3492
02:08:49,596 --> 02:08:50,597
>> not by our current ordnances. >>

3493
02:08:50,597 --> 02:08:52,597
that is

3494
02:08:52,599 --> 02:08:54,999
a great question. No

3495
02:08:55,602 --> 02:08:57,602
surfaces that

3496
02:08:58,605 --> 02:09:00,605
would

3497
02:09:00,607 --> 02:09:01,608
allow for, permeation of water. Yeah. No,

3498
02:09:01,608 --> 02:09:03,608
okay. So I

3499
02:09:03,610 --> 02:09:04,611
have been to this site for several

3500
02:09:04,611 --> 02:09:07,611
years preparing boxes. And I

3501
02:09:07,614 --> 02:09:10,617
know exactly what you're talking about

3502
02:09:10,617 --> 02:09:12,619
parking. And it, but

3503
02:09:12,619 --> 02:09:13,620
because it's a great effort, and I'm surprised

3504
02:09:13,620 --> 02:09:16,620
that, we couldn't park in

3505
02:09:16,623 --> 02:09:17,624
this building across the street because

3506
02:09:17,624 --> 02:09:19,624
they

3507
02:09:19,626 --> 02:09:22,596
may tow us for a volunteer event. But

3508
02:09:22,596 --> 02:09:24,598
any way, yeah. So I

3509
02:09:24,598 --> 02:09:25,599
get it. It's a great operation. And

3510
02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:27,599
I'm not

3511
02:09:27,601 --> 02:09:28,602
going to speak about the tree mitigation

3512
02:09:28,602 --> 02:09:30,602
but I just

3513
02:09:31,605 --> 02:09:33,607
don't feel --it's not within our

3514
02:09:33,607 --> 02:09:34,608
purview but we must come ply --comply

3515
02:09:34,608 --> 02:09:36,608
with all

3516
02:09:37,611 --> 02:09:40,110
of our ordnances. With

3517
02:09:43,617 --> 02:09:46,170
that is there a

3518
02:09:49,623 --> 02:09:52,623
motion by the commission? Nine

3519
02:09:55,596 --> 02:09:57,596
and 10.

3520
02:10:01,602 --> 02:10:03,602
yeah.

3521
02:10:04,605 --> 02:10:06,605
>> I move

3522
02:10:07,608 --> 02:10:09,608
to approve

3523
02:10:10,611 --> 02:10:13,611
items 1 and 10, consider approval. Samaritans

3524
02:10:13,614 --> 02:10:15,614
purse addition

3525
02:10:16,617 --> 02:10:18,617
lot 1r block

3526
02:10:19,620 --> 02:10:21,620
a

3527
02:10:22,623 --> 02:10:24,623
zoning change request

3528
02:10:25,626 --> 02:10:27,626
from pd26-li

3529
02:10:27,628 --> 02:10:28,595
planned development 2-6 planned industrial. And

3530
02:10:28,595 --> 02:10:30,595
light industrial

3531
02:10:30,597 --> 02:10:31,598
revised light industrial to add a parking

3532
02:10:31,598 --> 02:10:33,598
lot

3533
02:10:34,601 --> 02:10:36,601
for parking

3534
02:10:37,604 --> 02:10:39,606
and updates the existing site

3535
02:10:39,606 --> 02:10:40,607
plan for new, additional 37,699 square

3536
02:10:40,607 --> 02:10:43,700
foot three story professional

3537
02:10:43,610 --> 02:10:46,100
office building. Do I

3538
02:10:46,613 --> 02:10:47,614
need to

3539
02:10:47,614 --> 02:10:49,616
read the whole thing. No, okay. With

3540
02:10:49,616 --> 02:10:50,617
the conditions.

3541
02:10:50,617 --> 02:10:51,618
>> as

3542
02:10:51,618 --> 02:10:52,619
presented.

3543
02:10:52,619 --> 02:10:53,620
>> as presented. >> okay

3544
02:10:53,620 --> 02:10:55,620
we

3545
02:10:55,622 --> 02:10:57,622
have

3546
02:10:58,625 --> 02:10:59,626
a motion.

3547
02:10:59,626 --> 02:11:01,626
>> clarification,

3548
02:11:01,628 --> 02:11:02,596
and also in item 10.

3549
02:11:02,596 --> 02:11:04,596
>>

3550
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:07,599
and also item

3551
02:11:08,602 --> 02:11:09,603
10, approval of the replat for

3552
02:11:09,603 --> 02:11:10,604
lot 1r and two. With conditions.

3553
02:11:10,604 --> 02:11:11,605
>>

3554
02:11:11,605 --> 02:11:14,500
so we have a

3555
02:11:14,608 --> 02:11:16,608
motion for items

3556
02:11:17,611 --> 02:11:19,611
9 and 10

3557
02:11:20,614 --> 02:11:23,614
with conditions as presented. By

3558
02:11:23,617 --> 02:11:25,617
commissioner patel

3559
02:11:26,620 --> 02:11:28,620
is

3560
02:11:29,623 --> 02:11:30,624
there second?

3561
02:11:30,624 --> 02:11:32,624
>> second. >>

3562
02:11:32,626 --> 02:11:33,627
by vice chair blankenship.

3563
02:11:33,627 --> 02:11:35,596
>>

3564
02:11:35,596 --> 02:11:36,597
commissioner dobmeier.

3565
02:11:36,597 --> 02:11:38,597
>> aye. >>

3566
02:11:38,599 --> 02:11:39,600
blankenship.

3567
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,600
>> aye. >>

3568
02:11:41,602 --> 02:11:42,603
haas.

3569
02:11:42,603 --> 02:11:44,603
>> aye. >>

3570
02:11:44,605 --> 02:11:46,605
commissioner

3571
02:11:47,608 --> 02:11:48,609
patel.

3572
02:11:48,609 --> 02:11:50,609
>> aye. >> and commissioner

3573
02:11:50,611 --> 02:11:51,612
bishop.

3574
02:11:51,612 --> 02:11:53,612
>> aye. >>

3575
02:11:53,614 --> 02:11:55,614
all

3576
02:11:56,617 --> 02:11:57,618
approve.

3577
02:11:57,618 --> 02:11:58,619
>>> item 11,

3578
02:11:58,619 --> 02:11:59,620
consider approval of pd-250r26r2-h

3579
02:11:59,620 --> 02:12:01,620
old town addition

3580
02:12:02,623 --> 02:12:04,623
lot

3581
02:12:05,626 --> 02:12:07,626
4r block d

3582
02:12:08,595 --> 02:12:10,595
a zoning

3583
02:12:10,597 --> 02:12:14,601
change request from pd-250r26r-h planned development. To

3584
02:12:14,601 --> 02:12:16,601
allow for

3585
02:12:17,604 --> 02:12:20,400
a professional or medical

3586
02:12:20,607 --> 02:12:22,607
office

3587
02:12:23,610 --> 02:12:26,100
in addition to the

3588
02:12:26,613 --> 02:12:27,614
retail

3589
02:12:27,614 --> 02:12:31,214
already permitted on the property. At

3590
02:12:31,618 --> 02:12:35,622
the request of diana ahmad being represented by

3591
02:12:35,622 --> 02:12:37,622
bill

3592
02:12:38,625 --> 02:12:41,250
peck of william peck &

3593
02:12:41,628 --> 02:12:43,628
associates and

3594
02:12:44,598 --> 02:12:46,598
we

3595
02:12:47,601 --> 02:12:49,601
have a presentation

3596
02:12:49,603 --> 02:12:50,604
by matthew steer.

3597
02:12:50,604 --> 02:12:52,604
>> commissioners,

3598
02:12:53,607 --> 02:12:55,609
the initial zoning change for the

3599
02:12:55,609 --> 02:12:56,610
live work units was approved in august

3600
02:12:56,610 --> 02:12:58,610
2022. That was for

3601
02:12:58,612 --> 02:12:59,613
a two story mixed use building with

3602
02:12:59,613 --> 02:13:01,613
retail on the

3603
02:13:02,616 --> 02:13:05,616
first floor. And then we

3604
02:13:05,619 --> 02:13:07,619
would

3605
02:13:08,622 --> 02:13:10,622
allow for two

3606
02:13:10,624 --> 02:13:14,628
residential units on the second floor. Council

3607
02:13:14,628 --> 02:13:16,628
approved a plan

3608
02:13:17,598 --> 02:13:19,598
for a 775 square

3609
02:13:20,601 --> 02:13:23,100
foot ice cream shop,

3610
02:13:25,606 --> 02:13:26,607
on the first floor and then, 2,359

3611
02:13:26,607 --> 02:13:28,607
feet of speck

3612
02:13:29,610 --> 02:13:32,610
of restaurant uses on the

3613
02:13:32,613 --> 02:13:34,613
first floor. That

3614
02:13:34,615 --> 02:13:38,215
could also contain some retail. So

3615
02:13:38,619 --> 02:13:41,619
the cakery has occupied the 759

3616
02:13:44,625 --> 02:13:47,628
feet. So the site is approximately .25

3617
02:13:47,628 --> 02:13:49,596
acres in

3618
02:13:49,596 --> 02:13:50,597
size. Gross square foot gross floor area

3619
02:13:50,597 --> 02:13:52,597
is, 10,200 square

3620
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:55,600
feet. That

3621
02:13:56,603 --> 02:13:58,603
includes

3622
02:13:59,606 --> 02:14:01,606
the two apartment

3623
02:14:02,609 --> 02:14:04,609
units on

3624
02:14:05,612 --> 02:14:06,613
the second floor. The existing

3625
02:14:06,613 --> 02:14:08,615
is the restaurant and this was 225

3626
02:14:08,615 --> 02:14:11,150
square feet of restaurant

3627
02:14:11,618 --> 02:14:14,621
or retail space. So what they're proposing

3628
02:14:14,621 --> 02:14:17,621
is to allow for this 2,300

3629
02:14:17,624 --> 02:14:19,624
square feet to

3630
02:14:20,627 --> 02:14:22,596
be

3631
02:14:22,596 --> 02:14:23,597
medical or professional office. In

3632
02:14:23,597 --> 02:14:25,597
addition to, restaurant

3633
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:29,600
or retail use. We sent

3634
02:14:29,603 --> 02:14:32,603
out 19 notices within 200 feet. And

3635
02:14:32,606 --> 02:14:35,600
a 133 within 800 feet received

3636
02:14:35,609 --> 02:14:37,609
no

3637
02:14:38,612 --> 02:14:40,612
responses either in

3638
02:14:41,615 --> 02:14:42,616
favor or opposition. And

3639
02:14:42,616 --> 02:14:44,618
unfortunately, staff is recommending

3640
02:14:44,618 --> 02:14:45,619
denial. Of the requested addition

3641
02:14:45,619 --> 02:14:46,620
of professional

3642
02:14:46,620 --> 02:14:47,621
and medical offices to allowable uses

3643
02:14:47,621 --> 02:14:49,621
on the first

3644
02:14:50,624 --> 02:14:53,627
floor. So sites in the old

3645
02:14:53,627 --> 02:14:54,628
town main street project, that were intended

3646
02:14:54,628 --> 02:14:56,597
to be

3647
02:14:56,597 --> 02:14:58,597
retail, have been

3648
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:01,600
converted over

3649
02:15:02,603 --> 02:15:04,605
the years to medical

3650
02:15:04,605 --> 02:15:05,606
and professional office uses. This

3651
02:15:05,606 --> 02:15:07,606
property

3652
02:15:08,609 --> 02:15:11,612
was conceptually planned for retail/restaurant uses

3653
02:15:11,612 --> 02:15:13,614
initially. And the current mixed use

3654
02:15:13,614 --> 02:15:14,615
plan development for this property was

3655
02:15:14,615 --> 02:15:15,616
intentionally allowed in this

3656
02:15:15,616 --> 02:15:17,618
instance with two apartments on the

3657
02:15:17,618 --> 02:15:20,618
second floor to maximize the

3658
02:15:20,621 --> 02:15:22,623
use of the property so that we

3659
02:15:22,623 --> 02:15:23,624
could have retail and restaurant uses

3660
02:15:23,624 --> 02:15:25,624
on the

3661
02:15:26,627 --> 02:15:29,270
first floor. And that

3662
02:15:29,596 --> 02:15:32,599
would generate activity in the area. And

3663
02:15:32,599 --> 02:15:34,599
by allowing

3664
02:15:35,602 --> 02:15:38,605
a medical office, or a professional office

3665
02:15:38,605 --> 02:15:40,605
even in this

3666
02:15:41,608 --> 02:15:43,608
2,300 square foot

3667
02:15:47,614 --> 02:15:50,614
area, that would take a

3668
02:15:50,617 --> 02:15:52,619
way from a potential

3669
02:15:52,619 --> 02:15:53,620
in this general area of old town. That

3670
02:15:53,620 --> 02:15:54,621
concludes

3671
02:15:54,621 --> 02:15:56,623
my presentation. I'll be happy to

3672
02:15:56,623 --> 02:15:58,623
answer

3673
02:15:59,626 --> 02:16:00,627
any questions and the

3674
02:16:00,627 --> 02:16:02,596
applicant is in the audience. I've

3675
02:16:02,596 --> 02:16:04,996
given a statement of

3676
02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:07,601
the reasoning behind her

3677
02:16:07,601 --> 02:16:08,602
request.

3678
02:16:08,602 --> 02:16:09,603
>> okay. Very good. Any questions

3679
02:16:09,603 --> 02:16:10,604
of staff? Sue.

3680
02:16:10,604 --> 02:16:11,605
>>

3681
02:16:11,605 --> 02:16:12,606
so matt, if this commission were to

3682
02:16:12,606 --> 02:16:14,608
approve this, are there

3683
02:16:14,608 --> 02:16:16,608
any

3684
02:16:17,611 --> 02:16:19,611
staff conditions that

3685
02:16:20,614 --> 02:16:21,615
would go along with that approval?

3686
02:16:21,615 --> 02:16:22,616
>>

3687
02:16:22,616 --> 02:16:23,617
no.

3688
02:16:23,617 --> 02:16:24,618
>>

3689
02:16:24,618 --> 02:16:25,619
thank you.

3690
02:16:25,619 --> 02:16:26,620
>> because you're simply adding

3691
02:16:26,620 --> 02:16:28,620
other

3692
02:16:29,623 --> 02:16:30,624
land uses.

3693
02:16:30,624 --> 02:16:32,624
>> correct, correct. We're

3694
02:16:32,626 --> 02:16:35,260
just adding this professional

3695
02:16:35,596 --> 02:16:38,596
medical office to the acceptable

3696
02:16:38,599 --> 02:16:39,600
use.

3697
02:16:39,600 --> 02:16:41,602
>> okay. As bob said all the

3698
02:16:41,602 --> 02:16:42,603
former would apply.

3699
02:16:42,603 --> 02:16:44,603
>>

3700
02:16:44,605 --> 02:16:45,606
I heard live-work in there. Is this truly

3701
02:16:45,606 --> 02:16:47,606
mixed

3702
02:16:47,608 --> 02:16:48,609
use.

3703
02:16:48,609 --> 02:16:50,611
>> this is truly mixed use. Did

3704
02:16:50,611 --> 02:16:51,612
I say live work.

3705
02:16:51,612 --> 02:16:53,612
>> I heard

3706
02:16:53,614 --> 02:16:54,615
live work in there some where.

3707
02:16:54,615 --> 02:16:55,616
>> oh,

3708
02:16:55,616 --> 02:16:56,617
I

3709
02:16:56,617 --> 02:16:57,618
apologize.

3710
02:16:57,618 --> 02:16:59,618
>> is

3711
02:16:59,620 --> 02:17:03,820
the applicant here to present the case.

3712
02:17:06,627 --> 02:17:08,627
>>

3713
02:17:09,596 --> 02:17:12,599
my name is diana ahmad. I'm the

3714
02:17:12,599 --> 02:17:14,599
property

3715
02:17:18,605 --> 02:17:21,500
owner at 67 main street.

3716
02:17:21,608 --> 02:17:22,609
I also reside

3717
02:17:22,609 --> 02:17:27,409
in coppel. I'm requesting to amend the allowed

3718
02:17:27,614 --> 02:17:28,615
usage for

3719
02:17:28,615 --> 02:17:30,617
750 square feet of my property. The

3720
02:17:30,617 --> 02:17:32,617
total size

3721
02:17:32,619 --> 02:17:33,620
is 10,250 square feet. I'm only referring to

3722
02:17:33,620 --> 02:17:35,620
less than

3723
02:17:35,622 --> 02:17:36,623
25% of the total square footage. This

3724
02:17:36,623 --> 02:17:38,623
space that I'm

3725
02:17:39,626 --> 02:17:42,260
referring to has been

3726
02:17:42,596 --> 02:17:44,598
vacant for over two years now. During

3727
02:17:44,598 --> 02:17:48,602
these two years and currently ongoing I

3728
02:17:48,602 --> 02:17:50,604
have marketed the space

3729
02:17:50,604 --> 02:17:53,604
for retail use. Spending thousands

3730
02:17:53,607 --> 02:17:54,608
on-sites such as lukenet and co star. I

3731
02:17:54,608 --> 02:17:56,608
have adjusting

3732
02:17:57,611 --> 02:18:00,611
the price, have worked with

3733
02:18:00,614 --> 02:18:02,614
brokers

3734
02:18:03,617 --> 02:18:04,618
but until now have

3735
02:18:04,618 --> 02:18:06,620
not been successful in securing a tenant. At

3736
02:18:06,620 --> 02:18:08,622
the time it's not a lack

3737
02:18:08,622 --> 02:18:09,623
of effort coming from my side it's

3738
02:18:09,623 --> 02:18:11,623
really that

3739
02:18:12,626 --> 02:18:14,628
the current allowed uses are

3740
02:18:14,628 --> 02:18:15,629
not matching the market demand. I

3741
02:18:15,629 --> 02:18:16,597
will continue my

3742
02:18:16,597 --> 02:18:18,599
efforts to obtain a retail restaurant user

3743
02:18:18,599 --> 02:18:20,599
but

3744
02:18:21,602 --> 02:18:23,604
I have had to

3745
02:18:23,604 --> 02:18:27,204
turn away numerous businesses that would

3746
02:18:27,608 --> 02:18:29,608
be classified

3747
02:18:29,610 --> 02:18:30,611
as professional offices or medical

3748
02:18:30,611 --> 02:18:32,611
from

3749
02:18:32,613 --> 02:18:33,614
insurance agencies, chiropractors,

3750
02:18:33,614 --> 02:18:35,614
law firms, wellness

3751
02:18:35,616 --> 02:18:38,619
clinics, and other low intensity tenants. I'm

3752
02:18:38,619 --> 02:18:39,620


3753
02:18:39,620 --> 02:18:40,621
use. I'm open

3754
02:18:40,621 --> 02:18:42,623
to conditions such as maintaining

3755
02:18:42,623 --> 02:18:45,230
the glass door front

3756
02:18:45,626 --> 02:18:47,626
design limiting

3757
02:18:47,628 --> 02:18:50,597
some of the medical uses. And ensuring

3758
02:18:50,597 --> 02:18:51,598
the space remains visually consistent

3759
02:18:51,598 --> 02:18:53,998
with retail. Filling the

3760
02:18:54,601 --> 02:18:56,603
vacant space will not only be

3761
02:18:56,603 --> 02:18:57,604
beneficial to achieving the city's

3762
02:18:57,604 --> 02:18:58,605
goals

3763
02:18:58,605 --> 02:19:00,607
of having an active vibrant downtown

3764
02:19:00,607 --> 02:19:02,607
area, it

3765
02:19:02,609 --> 02:19:04,611
will help support the current bakery, and

3766
02:19:04,611 --> 02:19:06,613
neighboring businesses. It will help

3767
02:19:06,613 --> 02:19:07,614
prevent long term vacancy and

3768
02:19:07,614 --> 02:19:09,616
reduce financial burden and align with

3769
02:19:09,616 --> 02:19:12,619
all of our goals for old

3770
02:19:12,619 --> 02:19:14,619
town. Thank you

3771
02:19:14,621 --> 02:19:15,622
and I appreciate your time and consideration.

3772
02:19:15,622 --> 02:19:16,623
>>

3773
02:19:16,623 --> 02:19:18,623
thank you

3774
02:19:18,625 --> 02:19:21,628
very much. Out of curiosity you mentioned that

3775
02:19:21,628 --> 02:19:22,596
you have

3776
02:19:22,596 --> 02:19:24,598
been courting other retail or restaurants. What

3777
02:19:24,598 --> 02:19:26,598
was their

3778
02:19:27,601 --> 02:19:29,601
reason

3779
02:19:29,603 --> 02:19:30,604
for not signing on the dotted line?

3780
02:19:30,604 --> 02:19:32,604
>>

3781
02:19:32,606 --> 02:19:33,607
yes, so, there's a few reasons. For

3782
02:19:33,607 --> 02:19:36,700
one, for example franchises

3783
02:19:36,610 --> 02:19:38,612
I reached out to so many of them

3784
02:19:38,612 --> 02:19:41,615
and their main concern is there's

3785
02:19:41,615 --> 02:19:42,616
not enough car traffic that goes through old

3786
02:19:42,616 --> 02:19:44,616
town

3787
02:19:45,619 --> 02:19:47,619
coppell. When

3788
02:19:48,622 --> 02:19:51,220
they say what is

3789
02:19:51,625 --> 02:19:52,626
the average per hour,

3790
02:19:52,626 --> 02:19:54,628
to the two closest cross streets. They

3791
02:19:54,628 --> 02:19:56,597
have an app

3792
02:19:56,597 --> 02:19:57,598
that will tell them. Even if I tell

3793
02:19:57,598 --> 02:19:59,600
them we're crazy busy on

3794
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:00,601
saturday. I tell them there's a lot

3795
02:20:00,601 --> 02:20:02,603
of opportunity because there's not

3796
02:20:02,603 --> 02:20:03,604
too many options in the evening in

3797
02:20:03,604 --> 02:20:04,605
that

3798
02:20:04,605 --> 02:20:06,607
area or on the weekends. So that they

3799
02:20:06,607 --> 02:20:08,609
can bring the life to the area. It's

3800
02:20:08,609 --> 02:20:09,610
kind of in the center of old town. It

3801
02:20:09,610 --> 02:20:11,610
can be a

3802
02:20:12,613 --> 02:20:15,616
family hang out. You know all these

3803
02:20:15,616 --> 02:20:18,616
things. So you know for

3804
02:20:18,619 --> 02:20:19,620
a

3805
02:20:19,620 --> 02:20:21,622
bigger franchises, it's not busy enough.

3806
02:20:21,622 --> 02:20:23,622
and actually

3807
02:20:23,624 --> 02:20:24,625
I everyone asked starbucks. I told

3808
02:20:24,625 --> 02:20:26,625
them,

3809
02:20:27,628 --> 02:20:28,629
you have the location at

3810
02:20:28,629 --> 02:20:30,597
tom thumb that doesn't count. There's

3811
02:20:30,597 --> 02:20:31,598
been a couple of

3812
02:20:31,598 --> 02:20:33,600
first generation restaurants. So there's

3813
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:36,603
been a couple of people that

3814
02:20:36,603 --> 02:20:39,606
have come and said okay I'm

3815
02:20:39,606 --> 02:20:41,608
ready to sign the lease. And as you

3816
02:20:41,608 --> 02:20:42,609
know, a responsible, you know property owner,

3817
02:20:42,609 --> 02:20:44,609
when I start

3818
02:20:45,612 --> 02:20:46,613
talking to them. You need to

3819
02:20:46,613 --> 02:20:48,615
start thinking of your design. And

3820
02:20:48,615 --> 02:20:49,616
you know, all

3821
02:20:49,616 --> 02:20:51,618
these different things. When they

3822
02:20:51,618 --> 02:20:52,619
start to actually go into the process,

3823
02:20:52,619 --> 02:20:54,621
they have a concept, they're excited. You

3824
02:20:54,621 --> 02:20:56,621
know the area

3825
02:20:57,624 --> 02:20:59,626
looks like it would match

3826
02:20:59,626 --> 02:21:00,627
their concept but when they start to

3827
02:21:00,627 --> 02:21:02,596
go saying I need

3828
02:21:02,596 --> 02:21:06,600
to pay for drawings. I need to get

3829
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:08,602
permits. I need to

3830
02:21:08,602 --> 02:21:09,603
have license, people doing the work. You

3831
02:21:09,603 --> 02:21:11,603
know things like

3832
02:21:11,605 --> 02:21:12,606
that, they sometimes will shy away, you

3833
02:21:12,606 --> 02:21:14,606
know. But I

3834
02:21:15,609 --> 02:21:16,610
would say, you know and I live in

3835
02:21:16,610 --> 02:21:18,610
coppell. I

3836
02:21:18,612 --> 02:21:20,614
would love for there to be a really

3837
02:21:20,614 --> 02:21:21,615
nice retail and restaurant place. I

3838
02:21:21,615 --> 02:21:22,616
have friends that

3839
02:21:22,616 --> 02:21:24,618
live right across the street. If I

3840
02:21:24,618 --> 02:21:27,621
go to a nice restaurant I will

3841
02:21:27,621 --> 02:21:29,623
ask for the owner. I will

3842
02:21:29,623 --> 02:21:30,624
say hey why don't you come here. I've

3843
02:21:30,624 --> 02:21:32,624
given so

3844
02:21:33,627 --> 02:21:35,629
many tours to restaurant groups. And

3845
02:21:35,629 --> 02:21:36,597
then even one guy he's like, well,

3846
02:21:36,597 --> 02:21:38,597
I'll put a

3847
02:21:38,599 --> 02:21:39,600
crumble cookie there, I said we have

3848
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:42,600
a bakery next door. Give

3849
02:21:42,603 --> 02:21:44,605
me something else to

3850
02:21:44,605 --> 02:21:45,606
work with. I really am trying and

3851
02:21:45,606 --> 02:21:47,606
I'm still trying

3852
02:21:48,609 --> 02:21:49,610
for that. I think because there are professional

3853
02:21:49,610 --> 02:21:51,610
offices

3854
02:21:51,612 --> 02:21:52,613
and kind of medical already in old town,

3855
02:21:52,613 --> 02:21:53,614
that's

3856
02:21:53,614 --> 02:21:54,615
what's driving those businesses to

3857
02:21:54,615 --> 02:21:57,150
approach me. Because they

3858
02:21:57,618 --> 02:22:00,621
see that it's already in the area. I

3859
02:22:00,621 --> 02:22:01,622
think that's maybe why I'm you know

3860
02:22:01,622 --> 02:22:03,622
getting

3861
02:22:03,624 --> 02:22:04,625
more approached on that side than on retail

3862
02:22:04,625 --> 02:22:05,626
or

3863
02:22:05,626 --> 02:22:06,627
restaurant. And unfortunately I would

3864
02:22:06,627 --> 02:22:09,596
say majority of the retail

3865
02:22:09,596 --> 02:22:12,599
that have come are businesses that I don't

3866
02:22:12,599 --> 02:22:15,602
feel are right for old town coppell. You

3867
02:22:15,602 --> 02:22:16,603
know from even I think I've mentioned

3868
02:22:16,603 --> 02:22:18,603
a

3869
02:22:18,605 --> 02:22:19,606
previous, there's been cbd shops. There's

3870
02:22:19,606 --> 02:22:21,606
been

3871
02:22:21,608 --> 02:22:23,608
a lady,

3872
02:22:24,611 --> 02:22:27,110
she actually makes it's

3873
02:22:29,616 --> 02:22:33,216
bakery out of medical phaeurpb. --

3874
02:22:34,621 --> 02:22:38,221
marijuana. She works with kids. There's

3875
02:22:39,626 --> 02:22:40,627
been two tattoo artists. One massage

3876
02:22:40,627 --> 02:22:42,596
parlor. Some of these businesses

3877
02:22:42,596 --> 02:22:45,599
that just want to find a place

3878
02:22:45,599 --> 02:22:48,602
any where that could be in

3879
02:22:48,602 --> 02:22:51,602
a town. Even they'll market

3880
02:22:51,605 --> 02:22:54,608
as high end. Even the cbd shop

3881
02:22:54,608 --> 02:22:57,608
that has vapes at 200, $300. And

3882
02:22:57,611 --> 02:23:00,110
I said there's high

3883
02:23:00,614 --> 02:23:03,614
school kids I don't need

3884
02:23:03,617 --> 02:23:04,618
them to hang out just doing cbd. They

3885
02:23:04,618 --> 02:23:05,619
said,

3886
02:23:05,619 --> 02:23:06,620
no, these are for the adults. I have

3887
02:23:06,620 --> 02:23:09,620
a cigar shop that wanted

3888
02:23:09,623 --> 02:23:12,626
to be in the building. We have residents

3889
02:23:12,626 --> 02:23:13,627
upstairs. Some of these things are

3890
02:23:13,627 --> 02:23:15,629
kind of the barrier. But

3891
02:23:15,629 --> 02:23:16,597
still, I am still working with a couple of

3892
02:23:16,597 --> 02:23:18,597
restaurants and

3893
02:23:18,599 --> 02:23:21,602
retail and trying to see if

3894
02:23:21,602 --> 02:23:22,603
they can come. Most of the brokers

3895
02:23:22,603 --> 02:23:23,604
that

3896
02:23:23,604 --> 02:23:24,605
do specialize in retail and restaurant,

3897
02:23:24,605 --> 02:23:26,605
they'll tell

3898
02:23:27,608 --> 02:23:30,800
me if they're going

3899
02:23:30,611 --> 02:23:32,613
to come to coppell they would rather

3900
02:23:32,613 --> 02:23:34,615
be on denton because of that traffic. In

3901
02:23:34,615 --> 02:23:35,616
old town, people

3902
02:23:35,616 --> 02:23:37,618
who aren't familiar with old town. They

3903
02:23:37,618 --> 02:23:38,619
don't even

3904
02:23:38,619 --> 02:23:40,621
know it's there, in a way. Unless

3905
02:23:40,621 --> 02:23:42,621
you're from coppell

3906
02:23:42,623 --> 02:23:46,627
in a way. I don't know if maybe there should

3907
02:23:46,627 --> 02:23:47,628
be more marketing

3908
02:23:47,628 --> 02:23:50,597
for the farmers market outside of coppell. Because

3909
02:23:50,597 --> 02:23:52,599
I don't know anybody that lives outside

3910
02:23:52,599 --> 02:23:53,600
of coppell that

3911
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,602
really knows about it. On my side, I'm

3912
02:23:55,602 --> 02:23:57,604
really trying. I don't

3913
02:23:57,604 --> 02:23:59,606
know what to do. When we first had

3914
02:23:59,606 --> 02:24:01,608
the building zoned for retail and

3915
02:24:01,608 --> 02:24:02,609
then I thought, we

3916
02:24:02,609 --> 02:24:04,611
originally had it zoned I thought

3917
02:24:04,611 --> 02:24:07,611
it was already zoned for

3918
02:24:07,614 --> 02:24:08,615
restaurant. And so I had signed

3919
02:24:08,615 --> 02:24:10,617
a lease with an ice cream shop. Then

3920
02:24:10,617 --> 02:24:12,617
they came to

3921
02:24:12,619 --> 02:24:13,620
the city and the city said no and

3922
02:24:13,620 --> 02:24:16,623
said it's actually only retail. That

3923
02:24:16,623 --> 02:24:18,623
was

3924
02:24:19,626 --> 02:24:22,629
at the end of october. I

3925
02:24:22,629 --> 02:24:23,597
signed that lease. I paid

3926
02:24:23,597 --> 02:24:25,599
the commission. They spent tons of

3927
02:24:25,599 --> 02:24:28,599
money on the design and

3928
02:24:28,602 --> 02:24:29,603
so forth. But they didn't

3929
02:24:29,603 --> 02:24:31,605
have everything they needed design for

3930
02:24:31,605 --> 02:24:34,500
like november. December you

3931
02:24:34,608 --> 02:24:37,608
guys, there was not a

3932
02:24:37,611 --> 02:24:39,611
meeting for the

3933
02:24:40,614 --> 02:24:41,615
holiday. I had signed in october. And

3934
02:24:41,615 --> 02:24:43,617
via the agreement, by the end of january, they

3935
02:24:43,617 --> 02:24:46,620
were everything was supposed to be set

3936
02:24:46,620 --> 02:24:48,622
up for them to

3937
02:24:48,622 --> 02:24:50,624
break ground. Like you know do their construction. And

3938
02:24:50,624 --> 02:24:52,626
because we didn't get that january

3939
02:24:52,626 --> 02:24:55,629
meeting, we didn't get the full

3940
02:24:55,629 --> 02:24:56,597
approval. We had to postpone it

3941
02:24:56,597 --> 02:24:58,599
all the way to march because there

3942
02:24:58,599 --> 02:25:00,599
was a variance

3943
02:25:00,601 --> 02:25:01,602
of where's the dumpster going to be

3944
02:25:01,602 --> 02:25:03,602
for

3945
02:25:03,604 --> 02:25:04,605
the restaurant. That delayed it another

3946
02:25:04,605 --> 02:25:06,605
two months. So

3947
02:25:06,607 --> 02:25:07,608
I had to cancel because I was you

3948
02:25:07,608 --> 02:25:09,608
know

3949
02:25:10,611 --> 02:25:12,613
kind of, outside of you know the scope

3950
02:25:12,613 --> 02:25:13,614
of the lease. So I lost thousands

3951
02:25:13,614 --> 02:25:15,614
just for that

3952
02:25:16,617 --> 02:25:18,619
tenant. And then, they

3953
02:25:18,619 --> 02:25:19,620
ended up opening a beautiful location in

3954
02:25:19,620 --> 02:25:22,200
burleson. I stayed in

3955
02:25:22,623 --> 02:25:24,625
touch. I said open your

3956
02:25:24,625 --> 02:25:25,626
second location. You know. But it's

3957
02:25:25,626 --> 02:25:27,626
now

3958
02:25:27,628 --> 02:25:28,629
too far. They're doing well and coppell is

3959
02:25:28,629 --> 02:25:30,629
really far. So

3960
02:25:31,598 --> 02:25:33,598
I'm just giving

3961
02:25:34,601 --> 02:25:36,601
examples

3962
02:25:37,604 --> 02:25:39,606
of things that have happened, right. You

3963
02:25:39,606 --> 02:25:40,607
know, on there. But yeah.

3964
02:25:40,607 --> 02:25:41,608
>> so you've

3965
02:25:41,608 --> 02:25:43,608
had several almost

3966
02:25:43,610 --> 02:25:46,100
signed and in the

3967
02:25:46,613 --> 02:25:47,614
end it became

3968
02:25:47,614 --> 02:25:48,615
a hardship working through the process.

3969
02:25:48,615 --> 02:25:49,616
>>

3970
02:25:49,616 --> 02:25:50,617
yes.

3971
02:25:50,617 --> 02:25:52,617
>> interesting. >> for that

3972
02:25:52,619 --> 02:25:55,619
one example. But not in

3973
02:25:55,622 --> 02:25:58,625
general, I mean. In general the city

3974
02:25:58,625 --> 02:25:59,626
is always helpful and

3975
02:25:59,626 --> 02:26:01,628
cooperative. I'm not complaining or anything

3976
02:26:01,628 --> 02:26:04,598
like that. But I'm just

3977
02:26:04,598 --> 02:26:06,598
pointing

3978
02:26:07,601 --> 02:26:09,601
out

3979
02:26:10,604 --> 02:26:12,604
kind of some

3980
02:26:13,607 --> 02:26:14,608
of the things that happened.

3981
02:26:14,608 --> 02:26:15,609
>> okay

3982
02:26:15,609 --> 02:26:16,610
so, for potentially opening to include professional

3983
02:26:16,610 --> 02:26:18,610
or

3984
02:26:19,613 --> 02:26:21,613
medical offices, you

3985
02:26:22,616 --> 02:26:24,618
say you're going to restrict high traffic,

3986
02:26:24,618 --> 02:26:25,619
high intensity medical use such as urgent

3987
02:26:25,619 --> 02:26:27,619
facilities. What

3988
02:26:27,621 --> 02:26:28,622
other types of uses would you restrict?

3989
02:26:28,622 --> 02:26:29,623
>>

3990
02:26:29,623 --> 02:26:31,623
I mean

3991
02:26:31,625 --> 02:26:32,626
if there was something you

3992
02:26:32,626 --> 02:26:34,628
felt didn't align with coppell. You

3993
02:26:34,628 --> 02:26:36,628
know

3994
02:26:37,598 --> 02:26:39,598
with old town,

3995
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:40,601
you know I wouldn't have a problem. If

3996
02:26:40,601 --> 02:26:41,602
there

3997
02:26:41,602 --> 02:26:43,604
was opposition for medical, is it

3998
02:26:43,604 --> 02:26:45,606
because there's certain medical

3999
02:26:45,606 --> 02:26:46,607
practices you don't like what they

4000
02:26:46,607 --> 02:26:49,610
do or what entails. I didn't know

4001
02:26:49,610 --> 02:26:51,612
if there was something specific

4002
02:26:51,612 --> 02:26:52,613
that you don't like about professional offices

4003
02:26:52,613 --> 02:26:54,613
or medical that

4004
02:26:55,616 --> 02:26:58,160
you would be concerned

4005
02:26:58,619 --> 02:26:59,620
about. But that's why I

4006
02:26:59,620 --> 02:27:01,622
said I wouldn't mind like having conditions. Still

4007
02:27:01,622 --> 02:27:03,622
make

4008
02:27:03,624 --> 02:27:04,625
it look like retail. Friendly for

4009
02:27:04,625 --> 02:27:05,626
people to

4010
02:27:05,626 --> 02:27:06,627
pass by and so forth. Even having

4011
02:27:06,627 --> 02:27:07,628
these allowed uses doesn't mean I'm

4012
02:27:07,628 --> 02:27:09,596
not going

4013
02:27:09,596 --> 02:27:10,597
to have a restaurant or retail. I

4014
02:27:10,597 --> 02:27:12,597
mean

4015
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:16,603
we do have a grease trap

4016
02:27:16,603 --> 02:27:17,604
in place and so forth. But you know, and

4017
02:27:17,604 --> 02:27:19,604
actually like

4018
02:27:19,606 --> 02:27:22,609
to address like saying you want

4019
02:27:22,609 --> 02:27:24,609
to have more

4020
02:27:25,612 --> 02:27:27,612
abg activity in

4021
02:27:28,615 --> 02:27:29,616
the evenings and weekends. There have

4022
02:27:29,616 --> 02:27:31,616
been

4023
02:27:31,618 --> 02:27:34,621
a few breakfast places that have come. Even if

4024
02:27:34,621 --> 02:27:37,210
they were there. They

4025
02:27:37,624 --> 02:27:39,624
wouldn't

4026
02:27:40,627 --> 02:27:43,597
increase the traffic in the evening. But

4027
02:27:43,597 --> 02:27:45,597
keeping it,

4028
02:27:46,600 --> 02:27:48,600
it's

4029
02:27:49,603 --> 02:27:51,603
not

4030
02:27:51,605 --> 02:27:52,606
fair for our neighbors that are professional

4031
02:27:52,606 --> 02:27:54,608
restaurant and retail. Even for

4032
02:27:54,608 --> 02:27:55,609
our baker, they would like to have

4033
02:27:55,609 --> 02:27:57,609
someone next

4034
02:27:58,612 --> 02:27:59,613
door to bake for.

4035
02:27:59,613 --> 02:28:01,613
>> so being an

4036
02:28:01,615 --> 02:28:03,615
owner there, you're

4037
02:28:03,617 --> 02:28:04,618
familiar with what works. What doesn't

4038
02:28:04,618 --> 02:28:06,620
work. And there was

4039
02:28:06,620 --> 02:28:07,621
a restaurant behind the twisted root.

4040
02:28:07,621 --> 02:28:09,621
I don't know

4041
02:28:09,623 --> 02:28:10,624
if that ever took off or whatever. But

4042
02:28:10,624 --> 02:28:12,624
you've seen

4043
02:28:13,627 --> 02:28:15,629
things come and go. So

4044
02:28:15,629 --> 02:28:16,597
you're looking for a little flexibility. And

4045
02:28:16,597 --> 02:28:18,597
if there

4046
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:21,602
was an office or medical office,

4047
02:28:21,602 --> 02:28:22,603
you're still trying to recruit a retail

4048
02:28:22,603 --> 02:28:23,604
or restaurant.

4049
02:28:23,604 --> 02:28:25,604
>> yes. >>

4050
02:28:25,606 --> 02:28:27,608
what kind of leases would you be

4051
02:28:27,608 --> 02:28:28,609
signing. A year lease or something. So

4052
02:28:28,609 --> 02:28:30,609
that you're

4053
02:28:30,611 --> 02:28:31,612
still bringing in the opportunity

4054
02:28:31,612 --> 02:28:32,613
for a restaurant or retail?

4055
02:28:32,613 --> 02:28:34,613
>> so

4056
02:28:34,615 --> 02:28:37,150
the nice part is

4057
02:28:37,618 --> 02:28:39,620
with office space and so forth. It's

4058
02:28:39,620 --> 02:28:40,621
easily, you can easily convert office

4059
02:28:40,621 --> 02:28:42,623
space into retail or

4060
02:28:42,623 --> 02:28:43,624
restaurant. If they wanted to do a

4061
02:28:43,624 --> 02:28:45,624
short term

4062
02:28:45,626 --> 02:28:46,627
lease. There's no problem with that. You

4063
02:28:46,627 --> 02:28:48,627
know

4064
02:28:48,629 --> 02:28:49,596
because it can easily be converted

4065
02:28:49,596 --> 02:28:50,597
exactly if a

4066
02:28:50,597 --> 02:28:52,599
good restaurant comes or something. But

4067
02:28:52,599 --> 02:28:54,599
if I'm

4068
02:28:54,601 --> 02:28:55,602
signing for a restaurant. Obviously

4069
02:28:55,602 --> 02:28:57,604
we're going to look for

4070
02:28:57,604 --> 02:28:58,605
five, 10 yearlong term leases would

4071
02:28:58,605 --> 02:29:01,500
be favorable. Because you're

4072
02:29:01,608 --> 02:29:02,609
going to be, it's new construction. So the

4073
02:29:02,609 --> 02:29:03,610
walls, the

4074
02:29:03,610 --> 02:29:04,611
bathroom, the kitchen, it's going

4075
02:29:04,611 --> 02:29:07,611
to be stuff if there's

4076
02:29:07,614 --> 02:29:08,615
a restaurant. And that's also one thing

4077
02:29:08,615 --> 02:29:09,616
too. You want a restaurant

4078
02:29:09,616 --> 02:29:10,617
that's going to do well. Because they're

4079
02:29:10,617 --> 02:29:12,617
going to

4080
02:29:12,619 --> 02:29:13,620
be spending a lot. The building will

4081
02:29:13,620 --> 02:29:15,620
be

4082
02:29:15,622 --> 02:29:16,623
altered so you want something that's going

4083
02:29:16,623 --> 02:29:19,626
to make sense for the building

4084
02:29:19,626 --> 02:29:20,627
and for the area. But I'm very flexible. I

4085
02:29:20,627 --> 02:29:22,627
mean,

4086
02:29:22,629 --> 02:29:23,597
if any of you guys have a side business

4087
02:29:23,597 --> 02:29:24,598
as

4088
02:29:24,598 --> 02:29:25,599
a restaurant you want to come. We'll

4089
02:29:25,599 --> 02:29:26,600
take care of

4090
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:27,601
you. It's a great location.

4091
02:29:27,601 --> 02:29:28,602
>> maybe

4092
02:29:28,602 --> 02:29:31,602
an ice cream shop. But

4093
02:29:31,605 --> 02:29:33,605
I might be

4094
02:29:34,608 --> 02:29:37,608
nervous taking it through the

4095
02:29:37,611 --> 02:29:38,612
process.

4096
02:29:38,612 --> 02:29:40,614
>> no. No. Okay. Thank you for

4097
02:29:40,614 --> 02:29:42,614
your presentation. Are

4098
02:29:43,617 --> 02:29:45,617
there any

4099
02:29:46,620 --> 02:29:48,620
questions of

4100
02:29:49,623 --> 02:29:50,624
the applicant? Okay. Kent.

4101
02:29:50,624 --> 02:29:52,624
>>

4102
02:29:52,626 --> 02:29:53,627
is the, does the artsy cakery. Does

4103
02:29:53,627 --> 02:29:55,627
that

4104
02:29:55,629 --> 02:29:58,599
generate foot traffic or is it

4105
02:29:58,599 --> 02:29:59,600
just uber eats.

4106
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:01,600
>> they're

4107
02:30:01,602 --> 02:30:03,604
not a bakery. They custom cakes. But

4108
02:30:03,604 --> 02:30:04,605
they do have cup cakes. Everything

4109
02:30:04,605 --> 02:30:07,608
she makes is delicious. A little bit

4110
02:30:07,608 --> 02:30:09,608
of

4111
02:30:09,610 --> 02:30:10,611
traffic comes and so forth. But unfortunately,

4112
02:30:10,611 --> 02:30:12,613
it's not that they're

4113
02:30:12,613 --> 02:30:13,614
going to be there too long or something.

4114
02:30:13,614 --> 02:30:14,615
>>

4115
02:30:14,615 --> 02:30:15,616
how long have they

4116
02:30:15,616 --> 02:30:16,617
been there at that facility?

4117
02:30:16,617 --> 02:30:17,618
>> it's

4118
02:30:17,618 --> 02:30:19,618
almost

4119
02:30:20,621 --> 02:30:22,621
going to

4120
02:30:23,624 --> 02:30:25,624
be, since

4121
02:30:25,626 --> 02:30:26,627
they started construction almost two years.

4122
02:30:26,627 --> 02:30:28,627
>>

4123
02:30:29,630 --> 02:30:30,597
can I comment on that.

4124
02:30:30,597 --> 02:30:31,598
>>

4125
02:30:31,598 --> 02:30:32,599
yeah.

4126
02:30:32,599 --> 02:30:33,600
>> yeah. Sure. >> I love that

4127
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:34,601
place. Artsy cakery

4128
02:30:34,601 --> 02:30:35,602
when we walk our dog through old town,

4129
02:30:35,602 --> 02:30:37,602
we'll stop there

4130
02:30:37,604 --> 02:30:38,605
and get a couple of cookies and eat them

4131
02:30:38,605 --> 02:30:40,605
outside. They

4132
02:30:41,608 --> 02:30:43,608
have

4133
02:30:44,611 --> 02:30:47,614
a couple of outside tables. I

4134
02:30:47,614 --> 02:30:49,616
just think their food is really

4135
02:30:49,616 --> 02:30:50,617
good.

4136
02:30:50,617 --> 02:30:53,170
>> okay. >> and actually the

4137
02:30:53,620 --> 02:30:55,620
owner

4138
02:30:56,623 --> 02:30:58,623
for artsy

4139
02:30:59,626 --> 02:31:01,626
cakery

4140
02:31:01,628 --> 02:31:02,629
she had mentioned some cup cake shortening. It's

4141
02:31:02,629 --> 02:31:04,629
always great. Any

4142
02:31:05,599 --> 02:31:06,600
business that will be

4143
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:09,603
in my building. I will help promote

4144
02:31:09,603 --> 02:31:11,605
it. Any food, restaurant. Any sort

4145
02:31:11,605 --> 02:31:13,607
of business. My daughter is

4146
02:31:13,607 --> 02:31:17,611
in high school, she's in varsity tennis. Any

4147
02:31:17,611 --> 02:31:19,611
time there's

4148
02:31:20,614 --> 02:31:23,140
an event and they

4149
02:31:23,617 --> 02:31:25,617
say we need

4150
02:31:25,619 --> 02:31:26,620
desserts I do say use artsy cakery. They

4151
02:31:26,620 --> 02:31:27,621
do

4152
02:31:27,621 --> 02:31:29,623
have some areas that they use. But

4153
02:31:29,623 --> 02:31:32,626
I tell that to businesses all

4154
02:31:32,626 --> 02:31:34,628
the time. You know,

4155
02:31:34,628 --> 02:31:36,597
that I will be pushing it. And I'm

4156
02:31:36,597 --> 02:31:38,599
on three tennis teams in coppell. So

4157
02:31:38,599 --> 02:31:40,599
all the ladies

4158
02:31:41,602 --> 02:31:43,604
on my team and

4159
02:31:43,604 --> 02:31:44,605
so forth. They've all bought from

4160
02:31:44,605 --> 02:31:46,607
artsy cakery. If there's

4161
02:31:46,607 --> 02:31:47,608
a restaurant there. They will all

4162
02:31:47,608 --> 02:31:49,608
support

4163
02:31:50,611 --> 02:31:51,612
it. They will be

4164
02:31:51,612 --> 02:31:53,614
there. That's the nice thing about coppell. We

4165
02:31:53,614 --> 02:31:55,614
like to have

4166
02:31:55,616 --> 02:31:59,620
the services and food in town. That's

4167
02:31:59,620 --> 02:32:00,621
the sad part of not finding

4168
02:32:00,621 --> 02:32:01,622
the right restaurant yet, you know.

4169
02:32:01,622 --> 02:32:02,623
>>

4170
02:32:02,623 --> 02:32:03,624
I have questions.

4171
02:32:03,624 --> 02:32:04,625
>>

4172
02:32:04,625 --> 02:32:05,626
sure.

4173
02:32:05,626 --> 02:32:06,627
>> besides the bakery and then there's

4174
02:32:06,627 --> 02:32:07,628
the residential

4175
02:32:07,628 --> 02:32:08,629
on top and two different units. Are those

4176
02:32:08,629 --> 02:32:09,630
both leased.

4177
02:32:09,630 --> 02:32:10,597
>> yes

4178
02:32:10,597 --> 02:32:11,598
the two apartments are both leased

4179
02:32:11,598 --> 02:32:13,598
for two

4180
02:32:14,601 --> 02:32:15,602
years and the bakery.

4181
02:32:15,602 --> 02:32:17,602
>>

4182
02:32:17,604 --> 02:32:18,605
75% of the building is already leased.

4183
02:32:18,605 --> 02:32:19,606
>>

4184
02:32:19,606 --> 02:32:20,607
yes. And those apartments both of them

4185
02:32:20,607 --> 02:32:22,607
leased out

4186
02:32:22,609 --> 02:32:23,610
within five days of being listed with

4187
02:32:23,610 --> 02:32:24,611
an agent.

4188
02:32:24,611 --> 02:32:25,612
>>

4189
02:32:25,612 --> 02:32:26,613
so you won't have any problem leasing

4190
02:32:26,613 --> 02:32:27,614
those out.

4191
02:32:27,614 --> 02:32:28,615
>> yeah, yeah. There's

4192
02:32:28,615 --> 02:32:29,616
a few people that have told me that

4193
02:32:29,616 --> 02:32:31,616
the

4194
02:32:32,619 --> 02:32:34,619
leases end, they

4195
02:32:35,622 --> 02:32:38,622
would love to go. They're

4196
02:32:38,625 --> 02:32:40,625
really

4197
02:32:41,628 --> 02:32:43,597
beautiful. Very

4198
02:32:43,597 --> 02:32:44,598
high end. Tall ceilings. There's a

4199
02:32:44,598 --> 02:32:46,600
vacancy if you're interested

4200
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:47,601
let me know.

4201
02:32:47,601 --> 02:32:48,602
>> this is a public hearing

4202
02:32:48,602 --> 02:32:50,602
is there

4203
02:32:50,604 --> 02:32:52,606
anyone who would like to speak for

4204
02:32:52,606 --> 02:32:53,607
or against the proposed application? Okay. I'm

4205
02:32:53,607 --> 02:32:55,607
not going

4206
02:32:56,610 --> 02:32:58,610
to close

4207
02:32:58,612 --> 02:32:59,613
the public hearing just yet. As authorized

4208
02:32:59,613 --> 02:33:01,613
by

4209
02:33:02,616 --> 02:33:03,617
section 551.071 of the texas

4210
02:33:03,617 --> 02:33:05,619
local government code, I'm requesting

4211
02:33:05,619 --> 02:33:08,619
that we recess into executive

4212
02:33:08,622 --> 02:33:11,622
session. I have some questions

4213
02:33:11,625 --> 02:33:12,626
of our city attorney to

4214
02:33:12,626 --> 02:33:14,628
address. So, the time is, 8:35. And

4215
02:33:14,628 --> 02:33:18,228
we'll try to make it quick.

4216
02:51:33,627 --> 02:51:35,627
>>> the time

4217
02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:39,600
is 8:54 and we are now back

4218
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:40,601
into general session. I left the

4219
02:51:40,601 --> 02:51:42,603
public hearing open on purpose. Is

4220
02:51:42,603 --> 02:51:45,606
there anybody who would like to

4221
02:51:45,606 --> 02:51:46,607
speak from the

4222
02:51:46,607 --> 02:51:48,609
public for or against the proposed application? Okay,

4223
02:51:48,609 --> 02:51:50,609
I

4224
02:51:51,612 --> 02:51:53,612
will close the

4225
02:51:53,614 --> 02:51:56,614
public hearing. Does the commission

4226
02:51:57,618 --> 02:51:58,619
request the applicant for any

4227
02:51:58,619 --> 02:52:00,621
final questions? Okay. Is there any

4228
02:52:00,621 --> 02:52:02,621
discussion

4229
02:52:06,627 --> 02:52:10,227
by the commission? Is there a

4230
02:52:12,599 --> 02:52:14,599
motion by the

4231
02:52:21,608 --> 02:52:22,609
commission? Okay.

4232
02:52:22,609 --> 02:52:24,609
>>

4233
02:52:24,611 --> 02:52:27,110
I motion denial of

4234
02:52:27,614 --> 02:52:28,615
the requested addition of the professional

4235
02:52:28,615 --> 02:52:30,615
medical offices to

4236
02:52:30,617 --> 02:52:31,618
be

4237
02:52:31,618 --> 02:52:33,620
allowable uses on the first floor. Not

4238
02:52:33,620 --> 02:52:34,621
subject to staff.

4239
02:52:34,621 --> 02:52:36,621
>>

4240
02:52:36,623 --> 02:52:39,623
that's correct. So we have

4241
02:52:39,626 --> 02:52:40,627
a motion to deny the

4242
02:52:40,627 --> 02:52:41,628
proposed application. Commissioner

4243
02:52:41,628 --> 02:52:42,629
blankenship is there a second.

4244
02:52:42,629 --> 02:52:43,630
>>

4245
02:52:43,630 --> 02:52:45,599
I

4246
02:52:45,599 --> 02:52:46,600
will second.

4247
02:52:46,600 --> 02:52:48,600
>>

4248
02:52:51,605 --> 02:52:55,205
we have a second by commissioner

4249
02:52:55,609 --> 02:52:56,610
patel.

4250
02:52:56,610 --> 02:52:58,610
>> commissioner dobmeier. >>

4251
02:53:06,620 --> 02:53:07,621
aye.

4252
02:53:07,621 --> 02:53:09,621
>> blankenship. >> aye. >>

4253
02:53:18,599 --> 02:53:19,600
commissioner haas.

4254
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:21,600
>> aye. >> you

4255
02:53:21,602 --> 02:53:22,603
can appeal,

4256
02:53:22,603 --> 02:53:24,605
it would require supermajority but

4257
02:53:24,605 --> 02:53:25,606
we do recommend that.

4258
02:53:25,606 --> 02:53:27,606
>>> item

4259
02:53:27,608 --> 02:53:29,608
12 this evening

4260
02:53:30,611 --> 02:53:32,611
is

4261
02:53:32,613 --> 02:53:33,614
a public hearing to consider approval

4262
02:53:33,614 --> 02:53:35,614
of

4263
02:53:36,617 --> 02:53:39,170
pd-214r10-c. The

4264
02:53:39,620 --> 02:53:41,620
shops

4265
02:53:42,623 --> 02:53:43,624
at sandy lake. Zoning change request from pd-214r2

4266
02:53:43,624 --> 02:53:45,624
--

4267
02:53:45,626 --> 02:53:47,626
c to r10

4268
02:53:48,629 --> 02:53:50,629
--

4269
02:53:51,598 --> 02:53:53,600
c to allow for the detailed

4270
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:54,601
planned development for 14,418 commercial

4271
02:53:54,601 --> 02:53:56,601
center and a

4272
02:53:57,604 --> 02:54:00,607
patio area on 2.03 acres of property located

4273
02:54:00,607 --> 02:54:02,607
at the

4274
02:54:02,609 --> 02:54:03,610
south side of sandy lake road. Approximately

4275
02:54:03,610 --> 02:54:05,610
560 feet

4276
02:54:06,613 --> 02:54:08,613
west of denton

4277
02:54:09,616 --> 02:54:11,616
tap

4278
02:54:12,619 --> 02:54:14,619
road

4279
02:54:15,622 --> 02:54:17,622
at the

4280
02:54:17,624 --> 02:54:18,625
request of pete coppell. Being represented by

4281
02:54:18,625 --> 02:54:20,625
d.r. Rankin

4282
02:54:21,628 --> 02:54:22,629
pllc.

4283
02:54:22,629 --> 02:54:24,629
>>

4284
02:54:25,599 --> 02:54:28,599
can we include the replat

4285
02:54:28,602 --> 02:54:29,603
of that.

4286
02:54:29,603 --> 02:54:30,604
>> commissioner hafmann

4287
02:54:30,604 --> 02:54:31,605
beat you to that. To consider approval

4288
02:54:31,605 --> 02:54:33,605
of

4289
02:54:33,607 --> 02:54:37,611
the shops at sandy lake addition lot one

4290
02:54:37,611 --> 02:54:39,611
block a

4291
02:54:43,617 --> 02:54:46,617
replat. The shops at sandy

4292
02:54:46,620 --> 02:54:49,620
lake. A replat to revise

4293
02:54:49,623 --> 02:54:50,624
the current plat and associated

4294
02:54:50,624 --> 02:54:52,626
easements and fire lane configuration

4295
02:54:52,626 --> 02:54:54,626
on 2.03

4296
02:54:54,628 --> 02:54:57,631
acres of property located at the south

4297
02:54:57,631 --> 02:54:58,599
side of sandy lake road approximately

4298
02:54:58,599 --> 02:55:00,599
56 to feet

4299
02:55:01,602 --> 02:55:03,602
west

4300
02:55:04,605 --> 02:55:06,605
of

4301
02:55:07,608 --> 02:55:10,800
denton tap road at

4302
02:55:10,611 --> 02:55:11,612
the request of

4303
02:55:11,612 --> 02:55:12,613
peak coppell llc being represented

4304
02:55:12,613 --> 02:55:13,614
by spooner and associates.

4305
02:55:13,614 --> 02:55:15,614
>> this

4306
02:55:16,617 --> 02:55:18,617
property was

4307
02:55:18,619 --> 02:55:21,622
part of a larger development that included

4308
02:55:21,622 --> 02:55:25,222
the development of arbor manors and

4309
02:55:25,626 --> 02:55:26,627
tap and sandy lake

4310
02:55:26,627 --> 02:55:28,629
road. The additional zoning was approved

4311
02:55:28,629 --> 02:55:30,629
in 2007, with subsequent

4312
02:55:31,598 --> 02:55:33,598
rezonings

4313
02:55:34,601 --> 02:55:37,100
occurring with each detailed

4314
02:55:37,604 --> 02:55:40,604
site plan for the commercial

4315
02:55:41,608 --> 02:55:45,208
sites. This represents the final commercial

4316
02:55:46,613 --> 02:55:48,613
piece to

4317
02:55:49,616 --> 02:55:52,616
be developed. So what we're

4318
02:55:52,619 --> 02:55:55,619
looking at on the left

4319
02:55:55,622 --> 02:55:57,622
is the

4320
02:55:57,624 --> 02:56:01,224
original pd. Concept versus the current

4321
02:56:01,628 --> 02:56:03,628
proposal on

4322
02:56:03,630 --> 02:56:04,598
the right. So the original pd shows

4323
02:56:04,598 --> 02:56:07,601
two buildings out front adjacent to

4324
02:56:07,601 --> 02:56:09,601
sandy lake with

4325
02:56:10,604 --> 02:56:12,606
parking at the rear of the

4326
02:56:12,606 --> 02:56:13,607
property. The current proposal has

4327
02:56:13,607 --> 02:56:16,607
one building with a parking

4328
02:56:16,610 --> 02:56:19,610
with one building toward the

4329
02:56:19,613 --> 02:56:22,130
rear of the property

4330
02:56:22,616 --> 02:56:23,617
and parking with

4331
02:56:23,617 --> 02:56:25,619
the majority out front. The original

4332
02:56:25,619 --> 02:56:27,619
pd shows,

4333
02:56:27,621 --> 02:56:28,622
a driveway entrance on the west end

4334
02:56:28,622 --> 02:56:30,622
side. The

4335
02:56:30,624 --> 02:56:31,625
new proposal will also have a driveway

4336
02:56:31,625 --> 02:56:33,625
on

4337
02:56:34,628 --> 02:56:37,631
the west side but this will

4338
02:56:37,631 --> 02:56:39,631
be

4339
02:56:40,601 --> 02:56:42,603
in contingent with the

4340
02:56:42,603 --> 02:56:43,604
verizon property. So they'll share

4341
02:56:43,604 --> 02:56:45,604
one

4342
02:56:45,606 --> 02:56:46,607
driveway. The original proposal showed

4343
02:56:46,607 --> 02:56:49,700
a driveway entrance off

4344
02:56:49,610 --> 02:56:51,610
of on the

4345
02:56:52,613 --> 02:56:54,615
east side that goes

4346
02:56:54,615 --> 02:56:55,616
into the hoa property for arbor manors. This

4347
02:56:55,616 --> 02:56:57,616
current

4348
02:56:58,619 --> 02:57:01,622
proposal does not share any type of

4349
02:57:01,622 --> 02:57:03,622
driveway with

4350
02:57:03,624 --> 02:57:07,628
the arbor manors and has there's no access

4351
02:57:07,628 --> 02:57:10,628
to that drive or street

4352
02:57:10,631 --> 02:57:13,600
approach. It will have a

4353
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:15,600
separate entrance

4354
02:57:16,603 --> 02:57:18,603
off of sandy

4355
02:57:19,606 --> 02:57:22,600
lake. So there we

4356
02:57:22,609 --> 02:57:24,611
go. So the site is

4357
02:57:24,611 --> 02:57:25,612
currently vacant. And the site plan

4358
02:57:25,612 --> 02:57:27,612
shows

4359
02:57:27,614 --> 02:57:30,614
14,480 square foot proposed building will

4360
02:57:31,618 --> 02:57:32,619
contain a mix

4361
02:57:32,619 --> 02:57:34,621
of uses including retail, restaurant

4362
02:57:34,621 --> 02:57:37,624
and medical. An outdoor patio is

4363
02:57:37,624 --> 02:57:40,240
proposed on the western

4364
02:57:40,627 --> 02:57:43,630
side of the building. There's a

4365
02:57:43,630 --> 02:57:45,599
pd condition to allow the 500 square

4366
02:57:45,599 --> 02:57:46,600
foot patio area without additional parking

4367
02:57:46,600 --> 02:57:48,600
requirements. This

4368
02:57:48,602 --> 02:57:52,606
has been approved in other developments. Any

4369
02:57:52,606 --> 02:57:55,600
square footage over 500 square

4370
02:57:55,609 --> 02:57:58,900
feet will require additional

4371
02:57:58,612 --> 02:57:59,613
parking. There will be a driveway entrance

4372
02:57:59,613 --> 02:58:01,613
from

4373
02:58:01,615 --> 02:58:04,618
sandy lake road and a secondary

4374
02:58:04,618 --> 02:58:07,180
shared access point from

4375
02:58:07,621 --> 02:58:09,621
the neighboring verizon

4376
02:58:10,624 --> 02:58:12,624
building to

4377
02:58:13,627 --> 02:58:14,628
the west. There are two trash receptacles

4378
02:58:14,628 --> 02:58:15,629
situated away from the residences. So

4379
02:58:15,629 --> 02:58:16,630
during the initial proposal they actually

4380
02:58:16,630 --> 02:58:18,599
had the trash cans on

4381
02:58:18,599 --> 02:58:22,603
the rear of the property and we asked

4382
02:58:22,603 --> 02:58:24,603
them

4383
02:58:24,605 --> 02:58:25,606
to move it away from the residential. There's

4384
02:58:25,606 --> 02:58:26,607
an

4385
02:58:26,607 --> 02:58:29,700
existing 6-foot masonry screening

4386
02:58:31,612 --> 02:58:34,615
wall between this and the residential

4387
02:58:34,615 --> 02:58:36,615
property to

4388
02:58:37,618 --> 02:58:39,620
the south. So here, we're

4389
02:58:39,620 --> 02:58:40,621
looking at the building elevations. It's

4390
02:58:40,621 --> 02:58:42,621
just around 19 feet

4391
02:58:43,624 --> 02:58:46,627
with a wall at the front

4392
02:58:46,627 --> 02:58:49,270
varying in height from

4393
02:58:49,630 --> 02:58:52,300
20 to 25 feet. Creating some

4394
02:58:52,599 --> 02:58:54,999
articulation. The trash enclosures

4395
02:58:55,602 --> 02:58:58,602
will match the building material

4396
02:58:58,605 --> 02:59:00,605
as well. Building

4397
02:59:04,611 --> 02:59:07,611
will be a combination of

4398
02:59:10,617 --> 02:59:13,617
brick, aluminum store front. As

4399
02:59:13,620 --> 02:59:15,622
I mentioned in terms

4400
02:59:15,622 --> 02:59:16,623
of restaurant there is no drive-thru

4401
02:59:16,623 --> 02:59:18,623
proposed. And they

4402
02:59:18,625 --> 02:59:19,626
do have a monument signed proposed

4403
02:59:19,626 --> 02:59:21,626
along

4404
02:59:22,629 --> 02:59:25,290
sandy lake road. Which

4405
02:59:25,599 --> 02:59:26,600
will share the

4406
02:59:26,600 --> 02:59:28,602
same building materials as the building

4407
02:59:28,602 --> 02:59:30,602
itself. So

4408
02:59:31,605 --> 02:59:34,608
there's no signage presented for the

4409
02:59:34,608 --> 02:59:37,608
buildings. Any proposed signage will

4410
02:59:37,611 --> 02:59:39,613
need to comply with city requirements. Here

4411
02:59:39,613 --> 02:59:40,614
we're looking at the landscaping. There'll

4412
02:59:40,614 --> 02:59:43,140
be a 20-foot landscaping

4413
02:59:43,617 --> 02:59:44,618
strip along sandy lake road and 15

4414
02:59:44,618 --> 02:59:45,619
to 20

4415
02:59:45,619 --> 02:59:46,620
feet along the southern perimeter. The

4416
02:59:46,620 --> 02:59:48,620
eastern

4417
02:59:49,623 --> 02:59:50,624
perimeter will see a large number

4418
02:59:50,624 --> 02:59:52,626
of trees being preserved. Additional

4419
02:59:52,626 --> 02:59:55,260
trees along the southern

4420
02:59:55,629 --> 02:59:56,630
perimeter wall will also be preserved. In

4421
02:59:56,630 --> 02:59:58,599
total

4422
02:59:58,599 --> 03:00:00,999
39 existing trees will be

4423
03:00:01,602 --> 03:00:03,602
saved on-site. An

4424
03:00:04,605 --> 03:00:06,605
additional 30

4425
03:00:07,608 --> 03:00:10,611
trees will be planted on-site. And

4426
03:00:10,611 --> 03:00:12,611
we also ask

4427
03:00:12,613 --> 03:00:13,614
them to, create some more buffer screening

4428
03:00:13,614 --> 03:00:15,614
where we have

4429
03:00:16,617 --> 03:00:18,617
the parking at

4430
03:00:19,620 --> 03:00:21,620
the rear of

4431
03:00:22,623 --> 03:00:24,623
the site. So 36

4432
03:00:25,626 --> 03:00:26,627
will be planted to provide

4433
03:00:26,627 --> 03:00:28,629
additional screening along the perimeter. Now

4434
03:00:28,629 --> 03:00:30,629
this

4435
03:00:31,598 --> 03:00:34,601
is a zone change request. We

4436
03:00:34,601 --> 03:00:37,601
did mail out notices. 26 within

4437
03:00:37,604 --> 03:00:38,605
200 feet. Additional 120 courtesy notices

4438
03:00:38,605 --> 03:00:40,605
within 800

4439
03:00:40,607 --> 03:00:43,700
feet. We did receive 10

4440
03:00:43,610 --> 03:00:45,610
notices within

4441
03:00:46,613 --> 03:00:48,613
the 200 feet

4442
03:00:48,615 --> 03:00:50,617
in opposition. Additional five within

4443
03:00:50,617 --> 03:00:52,617
the 800 feet. As

4444
03:00:53,620 --> 03:00:55,620
a, general

4445
03:00:56,623 --> 03:00:59,626
summary. I did hand you guys

4446
03:00:59,626 --> 03:01:00,627
a table of their concerns. But

4447
03:01:00,627 --> 03:01:02,629
basically it was increased traffic. Loss

4448
03:01:02,629 --> 03:01:04,629
of the green

4449
03:01:05,599 --> 03:01:07,599
space, decrease in

4450
03:01:11,605 --> 03:01:15,205
the quality of life. And noise

4451
03:01:15,609 --> 03:01:19,809
were the primary concerns. So staff is

4452
03:01:23,617 --> 03:01:25,617
recommending approval of

4453
03:01:25,619 --> 03:01:26,620
pd-214r10-c. Detailed engineering

4454
03:01:26,620 --> 03:01:28,620
review will

4455
03:01:29,623 --> 03:01:31,623
occur at the

4456
03:01:31,625 --> 03:01:35,629
time of if you feel engineering submittal. To

4457
03:01:35,629 --> 03:01:38,599
allow 500 square feet patio area

4458
03:01:38,599 --> 03:01:40,599
per lot within

4459
03:01:41,602 --> 03:01:43,602
the existing

4460
03:01:44,605 --> 03:01:47,500
parking count. Additional pad

4461
03:01:47,608 --> 03:01:49,608
owe

4462
03:01:50,611 --> 03:01:53,110
space will require parking

4463
03:01:53,614 --> 03:01:55,616
at 11:00 square feet. The downstream

4464
03:01:55,616 --> 03:01:56,617
drainage analysis will need to be updated to

4465
03:01:56,617 --> 03:01:58,617
address. I'm

4466
03:01:59,620 --> 03:02:01,620
going to

4467
03:02:01,622 --> 03:02:02,623
go through the plat. The plat is a

4468
03:02:02,623 --> 03:02:04,625
companion item to plat 1a. The

4469
03:02:04,625 --> 03:02:05,626
case that I just went over. The plat

4470
03:02:05,626 --> 03:02:07,626
will

4471
03:02:08,629 --> 03:02:10,631
take the existing lot, replat

4472
03:02:10,631 --> 03:02:14,601
it to include the mutual access. Fire

4473
03:02:14,601 --> 03:02:17,100
lanes and necessary utility

4474
03:02:17,604 --> 03:02:19,604
easements for

4475
03:02:20,607 --> 03:02:22,609
the development of the

4476
03:02:22,609 --> 03:02:25,900
14,480 square foot commercial. Staff

4477
03:02:26,613 --> 03:02:27,614
is recommending approval of the shops at

4478
03:02:27,614 --> 03:02:29,614
sandy

4479
03:02:29,616 --> 03:02:32,160
lake addition lot 1 block

4480
03:02:32,619 --> 03:02:33,620
a replat. Subject to the

4481
03:02:33,620 --> 03:02:34,621
following conditions. That is the

4482
03:02:34,621 --> 03:02:35,622
end of my application. The applicant is

4483
03:02:35,622 --> 03:02:37,622
here

4484
03:02:37,624 --> 03:02:38,625
as well if you have any questions.

4485
03:02:38,625 --> 03:02:40,625
>>

4486
03:02:41,628 --> 03:02:44,631
thank you mary. A couple of quick

4487
03:02:44,631 --> 03:02:45,599
questions. So, the site

4488
03:02:45,599 --> 03:02:47,601
originally came through. When was

4489
03:02:47,601 --> 03:02:48,602
that?

4490
03:02:48,602 --> 03:02:50,604
>> I believe some where around 2007. >>

4491
03:02:50,604 --> 03:02:52,604
it's about the

4492
03:02:53,607 --> 03:02:56,700
time when I first

4493
03:02:56,610 --> 03:02:59,613
came on. A few days ago. And was

4494
03:02:59,613 --> 03:03:00,614
the, was that all part of the

4495
03:03:00,614 --> 03:03:02,616
entire arbor manors development. It's

4496
03:03:02,616 --> 03:03:04,618
just that the residential went

4497
03:03:04,618 --> 03:03:05,619
first or was this carved out?

4498
03:03:05,619 --> 03:03:07,619
>> so

4499
03:03:08,622 --> 03:03:10,622
when we look

4500
03:03:11,625 --> 03:03:14,625
at, at this drawing up

4501
03:03:14,628 --> 03:03:16,628
here. Can you

4502
03:03:17,631 --> 03:03:19,631
see

4503
03:03:20,601 --> 03:03:21,602
my arrow. My curser.

4504
03:03:21,602 --> 03:03:23,602
>>

4505
03:03:23,604 --> 03:03:24,605
yeah.

4506
03:03:24,605 --> 03:03:26,605
>> everything that's

4507
03:03:26,607 --> 03:03:29,607
outlined here, to here down

4508
03:03:29,610 --> 03:03:32,613
here. Around here. And this, and I

4509
03:03:32,613 --> 03:03:35,616
think yes some down here. This

4510
03:03:35,616 --> 03:03:38,619
is all part of the initial

4511
03:03:38,619 --> 03:03:39,620
development.

4512
03:03:39,620 --> 03:03:41,620
>> okay. >> so,

4513
03:03:41,622 --> 03:03:42,623
this was like

4514
03:03:42,623 --> 03:03:44,625
I think a1, they had different letters. You

4515
03:03:44,625 --> 03:03:46,627
zoom in and you can actually

4516
03:03:46,627 --> 03:03:50,631
see it. So essentially it was always proposed

4517
03:03:50,631 --> 03:03:52,631
that there would

4518
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:56,603
be some commercial here, here, and here. And

4519
03:03:56,603 --> 03:03:59,606
this is retail. It's just a different

4520
03:03:59,606 --> 03:04:02,600
color. Although these pieces

4521
03:04:02,609 --> 03:04:03,610
were not part of that

4522
03:04:03,610 --> 03:04:05,612
original development. But, you know,

4523
03:04:05,612 --> 03:04:07,614
what's standard or typical

4524
03:04:07,614 --> 03:04:08,615
along a thoroughfare like this is commercial

4525
03:04:08,615 --> 03:04:10,615
development that acts

4526
03:04:11,618 --> 03:04:12,619
as a buffer.

4527
03:04:12,619 --> 03:04:14,621
>> okay. >> so when this

4528
03:04:14,621 --> 03:04:16,623
came in, it was part, this

4529
03:04:16,623 --> 03:04:17,624
was part of it as well. And this,

4530
03:04:17,624 --> 03:04:19,624
and this. And

4531
03:04:20,627 --> 03:04:22,629
this is just the

4532
03:04:22,629 --> 03:04:23,630
last piece to get developed.

4533
03:04:23,630 --> 03:04:24,631
>> okay. Thank

4534
03:04:24,631 --> 03:04:26,600
you. So

4535
03:04:26,600 --> 03:04:29,000
just, you confirmed for

4536
03:04:29,603 --> 03:04:30,604
me that this is already entitled from

4537
03:04:30,604 --> 03:04:31,605
the initial application.

4538
03:04:31,605 --> 03:04:32,606
>>

4539
03:04:32,606 --> 03:04:35,609
so this was the original concept

4540
03:04:35,609 --> 03:04:36,610
plan. They're just comeing

4541
03:04:36,610 --> 03:04:37,611
in with detailed plan.

4542
03:04:37,611 --> 03:04:38,612
>> okay. With

4543
03:04:38,612 --> 03:04:40,612
regards

4544
03:04:41,615 --> 03:04:42,616
to parking can you remind me. Is parking

4545
03:04:42,616 --> 03:04:44,616
equal to

4546
03:04:44,618 --> 03:04:47,621
what's needed on-site or they're not overparked

4547
03:04:47,621 --> 03:04:48,622
in any way are they?

4548
03:04:48,622 --> 03:04:49,623
>> so

4549
03:04:49,623 --> 03:04:50,624
according to what they're proposing,

4550
03:04:50,624 --> 03:04:52,624
they have the

4551
03:04:52,626 --> 03:04:53,627
amount of parking they need.

4552
03:04:53,627 --> 03:04:54,628
>> the

4553
03:04:54,628 --> 03:04:55,629
required amount.

4554
03:04:55,629 --> 03:04:56,630
>> yes. >>

4555
03:04:56,630 --> 03:04:57,631
they're not providing more?

4556
03:04:57,631 --> 03:04:58,599
>> no,

4557
03:04:58,599 --> 03:04:59,600
they might have one extra parking

4558
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:00,601
maybe a couple.

4559
03:05:00,601 --> 03:05:02,601
>>

4560
03:05:02,603 --> 03:05:03,604
okay.

4561
03:05:03,604 --> 03:05:04,605
>> any other

4562
03:05:04,605 --> 03:05:05,606
questions of staff by the commission? John.

4563
03:05:05,606 --> 03:05:06,607
>>

4564
03:05:06,607 --> 03:05:08,607
yes, so,

4565
03:05:08,609 --> 03:05:11,612
we're not, we're just changing the

4566
03:05:11,612 --> 03:05:14,615
site plan here not the permanent

4567
03:05:14,615 --> 03:05:15,616
use.

4568
03:05:15,616 --> 03:05:17,618
>> so there is, the restaurant portion

4569
03:05:17,618 --> 03:05:20,621
of it. Does require a pd or a

4570
03:05:20,621 --> 03:05:23,210
special use permit because

4571
03:05:23,624 --> 03:05:26,627
it's a pd, it's you know,

4572
03:05:26,627 --> 03:05:29,627
it's just additional use. But

4573
03:05:29,630 --> 03:05:31,632
the, other commercial components are

4574
03:05:31,632 --> 03:05:32,599
allowed by right.

4575
03:05:32,599 --> 03:05:33,600
>> and the current

4576
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:35,602
plan square footage versus the

4577
03:05:35,602 --> 03:05:36,603
plan the revised do you know what

4578
03:05:36,603 --> 03:05:37,604
that was?

4579
03:05:37,604 --> 03:05:38,605
>> I'm

4580
03:05:38,605 --> 03:05:41,608
not sure if there was an exact number

4581
03:05:41,608 --> 03:05:42,609
for the --

4582
03:05:42,609 --> 03:05:43,610
>> so they're going from

4583
03:05:43,610 --> 03:05:44,611
two buildings.

4584
03:05:44,611 --> 03:05:45,612
>>

4585
03:05:45,612 --> 03:05:46,613
right.

4586
03:05:46,613 --> 03:05:47,614
>> two buildings at street side

4587
03:05:47,614 --> 03:05:48,615
to

4588
03:05:48,615 --> 03:05:49,616
one building offset from street side.

4589
03:05:49,616 --> 03:05:50,617
>>

4590
03:05:50,617 --> 03:05:51,618
right. So

4591
03:05:51,618 --> 03:05:53,620
the main thing is

4592
03:05:53,620 --> 03:05:55,622
going from two buildings to

4593
03:05:55,622 --> 03:05:56,623
one. Basically flipping the site, so

4594
03:05:56,623 --> 03:05:58,623
that the

4595
03:05:59,626 --> 03:06:02,626
parking you know and traffic

4596
03:06:02,629 --> 03:06:05,599
would be along sandy lake versus

4597
03:06:05,599 --> 03:06:08,602
driving along the residential to the rear. And

4598
03:06:08,602 --> 03:06:10,602
the current plan

4599
03:06:11,605 --> 03:06:13,607
it appears contains some sort of an

4600
03:06:13,607 --> 03:06:14,608
excess easement?

4601
03:06:14,608 --> 03:06:15,609
>> correct. >> on

4602
03:06:15,609 --> 03:06:16,610
the east side.

4603
03:06:16,610 --> 03:06:17,611
>> so

4604
03:06:17,611 --> 03:06:18,612
there's a verizon building over here. So

4605
03:06:18,612 --> 03:06:20,612
they would come

4606
03:06:20,614 --> 03:06:23,614
in. Instead of having a

4607
03:06:23,617 --> 03:06:24,618
driveway here and one here, they're just

4608
03:06:24,618 --> 03:06:26,618
sharing one

4609
03:06:26,620 --> 03:06:27,621
driveway here.

4610
03:06:27,621 --> 03:06:28,622
>> so there's no longer

4611
03:06:28,622 --> 03:06:29,623
an easement

4612
03:06:29,623 --> 03:06:31,625
requirement on the east

4613
03:06:31,625 --> 03:06:32,626
side.

4614
03:06:32,626 --> 03:06:33,627
>> so this is the west side. >>

4615
03:06:33,627 --> 03:06:34,628
no I'm

4616
03:06:34,628 --> 03:06:35,629
talking about the east side. In the

4617
03:06:35,629 --> 03:06:37,629
current plan it

4618
03:06:38,599 --> 03:06:40,599
seems there's

4619
03:06:41,602 --> 03:06:42,603
an easement to

4620
03:06:42,603 --> 03:06:43,604
the east going down to arbor manor.

4621
03:06:43,604 --> 03:06:44,605
>> there

4622
03:06:44,605 --> 03:06:46,605
is

4623
03:06:46,607 --> 03:06:47,608
no proposal to go this way. There's

4624
03:06:47,608 --> 03:06:48,609
no easement there.

4625
03:06:48,609 --> 03:06:49,610
>> I'm

4626
03:06:49,610 --> 03:06:50,611
just saying that's --

4627
03:06:50,611 --> 03:06:52,611
>> the original. >>

4628
03:06:53,614 --> 03:06:54,615
the prior plan

4629
03:06:54,615 --> 03:06:55,616
was that, they've taken that away.

4630
03:06:55,616 --> 03:06:56,617
>> right. >> okay, okay thank you. >>

4631
03:06:56,617 --> 03:06:58,617
so that

4632
03:06:59,620 --> 03:07:03,220
way they don't have, they don't

4633
03:07:03,624 --> 03:07:04,625
have people driving through

4634
03:07:04,625 --> 03:07:05,626
the neighborhood either.

4635
03:07:05,626 --> 03:07:06,627
>> sure,

4636
03:07:06,627 --> 03:07:07,628
yeah.

4637
03:07:07,628 --> 03:07:08,629
>>

4638
03:07:08,629 --> 03:07:10,631
and there's no, with this configuration

4639
03:07:10,631 --> 03:07:12,599
there's no drive-thru like they won't have

4640
03:07:12,599 --> 03:07:13,600
a drive-thru restaurant.

4641
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:15,600
>>

4642
03:07:15,602 --> 03:07:18,605
yeah, okay. Very good. Any other

4643
03:07:18,605 --> 03:07:21,605
questions of staff by the

4644
03:07:21,608 --> 03:07:23,608
commission. Okay,

4645
03:07:24,611 --> 03:07:27,110
is the applicant here

4646
03:07:30,617 --> 03:07:31,618
to present the case.

4647
03:07:31,618 --> 03:07:33,618
>>

4648
03:07:33,620 --> 03:07:35,620
hello

4649
03:07:37,624 --> 03:07:41,224
everyone. Thanks for having us tonight.

4650
03:07:44,631 --> 03:07:45,599
I'm tyler abbey. We build retail centers

4651
03:07:45,599 --> 03:07:47,601
like this all across

4652
03:07:47,601 --> 03:07:48,602
texas. It's pretty common for us because

4653
03:07:48,602 --> 03:07:49,603
of the

4654
03:07:49,603 --> 03:07:51,605
way communities are built in texas

4655
03:07:51,605 --> 03:07:52,606
now where there's

4656
03:07:52,606 --> 03:07:53,607
residential communities and they have

4657
03:07:53,607 --> 03:07:54,608
a commercial component along. So we

4658
03:07:54,608 --> 03:07:55,609
have experience

4659
03:07:55,609 --> 03:07:57,611
with these things and one of the things

4660
03:07:57,611 --> 03:07:59,611
we typically

4661
03:07:59,613 --> 03:08:02,616
tend to do is once we find a site,

4662
03:08:02,616 --> 03:08:03,617
let's see, we're trying to you know align

4663
03:08:03,617 --> 03:08:04,618
a bunch

4664
03:08:04,618 --> 03:08:06,620
of different interests within our

4665
03:08:06,620 --> 03:08:08,620
tenants and we

4666
03:08:08,622 --> 03:08:09,623
want to make sure they can survive. And

4667
03:08:09,623 --> 03:08:10,624
near

4668
03:08:10,624 --> 03:08:12,626
by residents we're trying to align

4669
03:08:12,626 --> 03:08:13,627
all

4670
03:08:13,627 --> 03:08:14,628
these different interests. So when

4671
03:08:14,628 --> 03:08:15,629
we got this site, our first, what

4672
03:08:15,629 --> 03:08:17,631
we were trying to do is

4673
03:08:17,631 --> 03:08:18,632
we want to make sure our product is successful

4674
03:08:18,632 --> 03:08:20,632
but we wanted

4675
03:08:21,602 --> 03:08:22,603
to minimize as much as we

4676
03:08:22,603 --> 03:08:24,605
can the impact on the residents. Moving

4677
03:08:24,605 --> 03:08:25,606
the building away

4678
03:08:25,606 --> 03:08:26,607
in our experience is just the cars

4679
03:08:26,607 --> 03:08:27,608
is what actually cause a lot of the

4680
03:08:27,608 --> 03:08:29,608
disruption. And if

4681
03:08:29,610 --> 03:08:30,611
you have in the front of the building

4682
03:08:30,611 --> 03:08:32,611
when

4683
03:08:33,614 --> 03:08:35,616
you open the front door

4684
03:08:35,616 --> 03:08:39,620
you have the noise coming from there. So

4685
03:08:39,620 --> 03:08:41,622
by flipping the building

4686
03:08:41,622 --> 03:08:42,623
we have the cars and noise blocked

4687
03:08:42,623 --> 03:08:44,623
as much as

4688
03:08:44,625 --> 03:08:45,626
we can. The trees are above code. They're

4689
03:08:45,626 --> 03:08:47,626
not

4690
03:08:47,628 --> 03:08:48,629
required by code but we thought they

4691
03:08:48,629 --> 03:08:50,629
were

4692
03:08:51,632 --> 03:08:52,599
a nice addition as a buffer for the residential homes. The

4693
03:08:52,599 --> 03:08:55,602
access easement going to the west

4694
03:08:55,602 --> 03:08:56,603
I think is a nice improvement. For

4695
03:08:56,603 --> 03:08:57,604
the original plan, in that it gets

4696
03:08:57,604 --> 03:08:58,605
I think

4697
03:08:58,605 --> 03:09:00,607
most people will travel that way to

4698
03:09:00,607 --> 03:09:03,610
the median and they will come in through the

4699
03:09:03,610 --> 03:09:06,613
median I think that will keep people. I

4700
03:09:06,613 --> 03:09:08,613
think that

4701
03:09:09,616 --> 03:09:10,617
will be the more commonly used

4702
03:09:10,617 --> 03:09:12,619
opening. And, yeah, ultimately this

4703
03:09:12,619 --> 03:09:15,619
is, I think maybe the

4704
03:09:15,622 --> 03:09:18,622
biggest thing is we specifically

4705
03:09:18,625 --> 03:09:21,250
chose not to use

4706
03:09:21,628 --> 03:09:23,630
a drive-thru. We don't

4707
03:09:23,630 --> 03:09:24,631
do drive-thrus when there's residential neighborhoods

4708
03:09:24,631 --> 03:09:26,600
like this. Honestly

4709
03:09:26,600 --> 03:09:27,601
never again. That's what we find cause

4710
03:09:27,601 --> 03:09:29,603
the most disruption. These

4711
03:09:29,603 --> 03:09:30,604
are never going to be perfect solutions

4712
03:09:30,604 --> 03:09:32,604
for everyone. Back

4713
03:09:33,607 --> 03:09:34,608
in 2007 when this was zoned, you know

4714
03:09:34,608 --> 03:09:36,610
was chosen to be a commercial site, you know,

4715
03:09:36,610 --> 03:09:38,610
it made

4716
03:09:39,613 --> 03:09:41,615
a lot of sense. I think it makes all the sense now

4717
03:09:41,615 --> 03:09:42,616
given the traffic on sandy lake. This

4718
03:09:42,616 --> 03:09:44,616
is

4719
03:09:45,619 --> 03:09:47,621
a commercial area. But we do understand that there's

4720
03:09:47,621 --> 03:09:48,622
residential near by and there's things

4721
03:09:48,622 --> 03:09:49,623
we need to do. So we're

4722
03:09:49,623 --> 03:09:51,625
going to do our best to accommodate

4723
03:09:51,625 --> 03:09:53,627
their concerns as much as we

4724
03:09:53,627 --> 03:09:54,628
can. Some of that is in the design. Some

4725
03:09:54,628 --> 03:09:55,629
of that

4726
03:09:55,629 --> 03:09:57,631
is in the field we'll have the, you

4727
03:09:57,631 --> 03:09:59,600
know those emergency lights

4728
03:09:59,600 --> 03:10:00,601
in the back of the building we'll

4729
03:10:00,601 --> 03:10:02,603
have the, the city or

4730
03:10:02,603 --> 03:10:03,604
the fire department come out and we'll say. What

4731
03:10:03,604 --> 03:10:05,604
is

4732
03:10:06,607 --> 03:10:09,610
the lowest we can put these and still

4733
03:10:09,610 --> 03:10:10,611
meet code. So we can be

4734
03:10:10,611 --> 03:10:12,613
cognizant of light, cognizant of sound. We

4735
03:10:12,613 --> 03:10:13,614
took the

4736
03:10:13,614 --> 03:10:15,616
city's advice on the dumpsters and

4737
03:10:15,616 --> 03:10:18,616
we moved those away as

4738
03:10:18,619 --> 03:10:20,621
far as possible. And

4739
03:10:20,621 --> 03:10:21,622
so, happy to take any questions on

4740
03:10:21,622 --> 03:10:24,625
this. There's not perfect solutions when

4741
03:10:24,625 --> 03:10:27,625
it comes to these but

4742
03:10:27,628 --> 03:10:29,628
we tried

4743
03:10:30,631 --> 03:10:33,600
our best. And we'll be sure to

4744
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:34,601
have our the residents near by

4745
03:10:34,601 --> 03:10:35,602
when we're able to start construction. They

4746
03:10:35,602 --> 03:10:36,603
will have my contact information and they'll

4747
03:10:36,603 --> 03:10:38,603
be able to

4748
03:10:39,606 --> 03:10:42,609
reach out to me if they have

4749
03:10:42,609 --> 03:10:43,610
any concerns. That's all we have.

4750
03:10:43,610 --> 03:10:45,610
>>

4751
03:10:45,612 --> 03:10:47,612
thank you

4752
03:10:48,615 --> 03:10:50,617
for that. I see the

4753
03:10:50,617 --> 03:10:51,618
reversal of the site to limit the

4754
03:10:51,618 --> 03:10:53,618
noise. The

4755
03:10:53,620 --> 03:10:57,624
cross easement I think is huge. Kudos

4756
03:10:57,624 --> 03:11:00,240
for being able to

4757
03:11:00,627 --> 03:11:02,629
help navigate that to secure

4758
03:11:02,629 --> 03:11:03,630
that. Were there any specimen trees lost

4759
03:11:03,630 --> 03:11:04,631
on this?

4760
03:11:04,631 --> 03:11:06,600
>> so

4761
03:11:06,600 --> 03:11:09,000
there were, I don't

4762
03:11:09,603 --> 03:11:11,605
know if dawn knows this

4763
03:11:11,605 --> 03:11:12,606
more specifically. Dawn is our civil

4764
03:11:12,606 --> 03:11:13,607
engineer that helped designed this.

4765
03:11:13,607 --> 03:11:15,607
>>

4766
03:11:15,609 --> 03:11:18,900
I know you're replacing

4767
03:11:18,612 --> 03:11:21,615
and I know it's heavily wooded and I

4768
03:11:21,615 --> 03:11:24,618
know it's going to create some comment. But

4769
03:11:24,618 --> 03:11:27,621
we recognize that this has been approved

4770
03:11:27,621 --> 03:11:28,622
and entitled we're basically modifying

4771
03:11:28,622 --> 03:11:30,622
the site

4772
03:11:30,624 --> 03:11:31,625
to make it better.

4773
03:11:31,625 --> 03:11:33,625
>>

4774
03:11:33,627 --> 03:11:34,628
that's our view as well. And we, you know,

4775
03:11:34,628 --> 03:11:35,629
partly because

4776
03:11:35,629 --> 03:11:36,630
don has spent so much time in the

4777
03:11:36,630 --> 03:11:38,630
woods over

4778
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:41,602
there tracking the trees. We try

4779
03:11:41,602 --> 03:11:42,603
to find any way we could to save trees

4780
03:11:42,603 --> 03:11:44,603
because of the

4781
03:11:45,606 --> 03:11:47,606
evolution of the

4782
03:11:47,608 --> 03:11:48,609
site. Some things just couldn't make it. But

4783
03:11:48,609 --> 03:11:50,609
particularly on the

4784
03:11:50,611 --> 03:11:51,612
area is that border. The southeast corner

4785
03:11:51,612 --> 03:11:52,613
is a good example. Like, we tried

4786
03:11:52,613 --> 03:11:54,613
to

4787
03:11:54,615 --> 03:11:55,616
save as much as we could. Because

4788
03:11:55,616 --> 03:11:56,617
that's the entrance

4789
03:11:56,617 --> 03:11:57,618
to the neighborhood and yeah, so we

4790
03:11:57,618 --> 03:12:00,180
did the best we

4791
03:12:00,621 --> 03:12:01,622
can given the --

4792
03:12:01,622 --> 03:12:03,624
>> on the east side

4793
03:12:03,624 --> 03:12:06,627
of the site. There's the parking and

4794
03:12:06,627 --> 03:12:07,628
then there's the some of

4795
03:12:07,628 --> 03:12:09,630
the landscaping. Are there any other

4796
03:12:09,630 --> 03:12:11,632
treatments to try to help maybe

4797
03:12:11,632 --> 03:12:12,599
block some of the view, low walls

4798
03:12:12,599 --> 03:12:13,600
or anything like that?

4799
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:15,600
>> the

4800
03:12:15,602 --> 03:12:17,604
good news is there's a sliver on

4801
03:12:17,604 --> 03:12:18,605
the east side that's not our property. That's

4802
03:12:18,605 --> 03:12:19,606
kind of between

4803
03:12:19,606 --> 03:12:21,608
the property and the road and there's trees

4804
03:12:21,608 --> 03:12:24,800
all within there that

4805
03:12:24,611 --> 03:12:27,611
aren't on our property. And

4806
03:12:27,614 --> 03:12:29,614
that we obviously

4807
03:12:30,617 --> 03:12:31,618
never touch. So there is, there's

4808
03:12:31,618 --> 03:12:32,619
some buffer

4809
03:12:32,619 --> 03:12:33,620
and yeah.

4810
03:12:33,620 --> 03:12:34,621
>> so that's what the original plan

4811
03:12:34,621 --> 03:12:36,621
called for you

4812
03:12:36,623 --> 03:12:37,624
guys to cut through that.

4813
03:12:37,624 --> 03:12:39,624
>> the original

4814
03:12:39,626 --> 03:12:41,626
plan, did

4815
03:12:42,629 --> 03:12:43,630
cut. When they had this in 2007, we reached

4816
03:12:43,630 --> 03:12:45,599
out to the board and association. We

4817
03:12:45,599 --> 03:12:47,601
always try to speak

4818
03:12:47,601 --> 03:12:50,604
to them as quickly as we can. They,

4819
03:12:50,604 --> 03:12:51,605
it seemed like it was important for

4820
03:12:51,605 --> 03:12:53,605
them that

4821
03:12:53,607 --> 03:12:54,608
the, that our traffic stays our traffic

4822
03:12:54,608 --> 03:12:56,610
and their traffic stays their

4823
03:12:56,610 --> 03:12:57,611
traffic. So we tried to accommodate. Once

4824
03:12:57,611 --> 03:13:00,110
we got that feed

4825
03:13:00,614 --> 03:13:03,617
back. Okay we didn't even, we asked but

4826
03:13:03,617 --> 03:13:04,618
it was denied so we just moved on, yeah. And

4827
03:13:04,618 --> 03:13:05,619
I

4828
03:13:05,619 --> 03:13:06,620
think this makes more sense too. That

4829
03:13:06,620 --> 03:13:08,622
way the residents don't ever

4830
03:13:08,622 --> 03:13:12,626
have to deal with our traffic. But

4831
03:13:12,626 --> 03:13:13,627
if they wanted to walk over to the

4832
03:13:13,627 --> 03:13:14,628
retail, we'll always

4833
03:13:14,628 --> 03:13:16,630
be open to if they wanted a little

4834
03:13:16,630 --> 03:13:18,632
path way there. We're happy

4835
03:13:18,632 --> 03:13:19,600
to do that. They didn't seem interested

4836
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:21,600
at the

4837
03:13:21,602 --> 03:13:22,603
time but we're open to allowing that

4838
03:13:22,603 --> 03:13:24,603
if

4839
03:13:25,606 --> 03:13:27,606
we had like

4840
03:13:27,608 --> 03:13:30,611
a coffee shop that's a nice walkable

4841
03:13:30,611 --> 03:13:31,612
location.

4842
03:13:31,612 --> 03:13:32,613
>> speaking of, any tenants lined

4843
03:13:32,613 --> 03:13:34,613
up or potential

4844
03:13:34,615 --> 03:13:35,616
tenants.

4845
03:13:35,616 --> 03:13:36,617
>> potential tenant

4846
03:13:36,617 --> 03:13:39,620
is coffee shop that we would, like

4847
03:13:39,620 --> 03:13:40,621
I, in my ideal world which I can't force

4848
03:13:40,621 --> 03:13:42,623
anybody to lease. But in

4849
03:13:42,623 --> 03:13:43,624
my ideal world, the east side would

4850
03:13:43,624 --> 03:13:44,625
be

4851
03:13:44,625 --> 03:13:45,626
the coffee shop. Because I think it

4852
03:13:45,626 --> 03:13:46,627
makes sense for residents who wanted

4853
03:13:46,627 --> 03:13:48,627
to walk

4854
03:13:48,629 --> 03:13:49,630
over there if they wanted to. But

4855
03:13:49,630 --> 03:13:51,630
coffee

4856
03:13:52,599 --> 03:13:54,601
shop and sandwich shop

4857
03:13:54,601 --> 03:13:55,602
is what the restaurants look like. Currently. Those

4858
03:13:55,602 --> 03:13:57,602
are

4859
03:13:57,604 --> 03:14:01,608
subject to change. And then the, the

4860
03:14:01,608 --> 03:14:02,609
interior I expect to

4861
03:14:02,609 --> 03:14:04,611
be medical. You know other retail services. Maybe

4862
03:14:04,611 --> 03:14:05,612
like a, a

4863
03:14:05,612 --> 03:14:07,614
pilates studio something like that

4864
03:14:07,614 --> 03:14:10,140
reach out. So things

4865
03:14:10,617 --> 03:14:11,618
like that. But this is a, this

4866
03:14:11,618 --> 03:14:13,620
is new construction. So it's higher rent. So

4867
03:14:13,620 --> 03:14:14,621
it

4868
03:14:14,621 --> 03:14:16,623
tends to be higher end tenants. That's

4869
03:14:16,623 --> 03:14:17,624
all who can afford to --

4870
03:14:17,624 --> 03:14:19,624
>> what

4871
03:14:19,626 --> 03:14:21,628
kind of fencing do you have

4872
03:14:21,628 --> 03:14:22,629
on the south side of the site?

4873
03:14:22,629 --> 03:14:24,629
>>

4874
03:14:25,632 --> 03:14:28,602
there's already a fence. There's that,

4875
03:14:28,602 --> 03:14:29,603
I know

4876
03:14:29,603 --> 03:14:31,605
you described in your presentation. The

4877
03:14:31,605 --> 03:14:33,605
masonry

4878
03:14:33,607 --> 03:14:34,608
wall. And it was actually like a 2-foot

4879
03:14:34,608 --> 03:14:35,609
concrete

4880
03:14:35,609 --> 03:14:37,611
foundation piece underneath it. I think

4881
03:14:37,611 --> 03:14:40,614
it's six feet but ends up

4882
03:14:40,614 --> 03:14:42,614
being 8 feet because

4883
03:14:42,616 --> 03:14:43,617
of that. So we'll be a little lower than

4884
03:14:43,617 --> 03:14:44,618
the residents. That helps

4885
03:14:44,618 --> 03:14:45,619
when you think about the door and

4886
03:14:45,619 --> 03:14:46,620
emergency light on top of that. I

4887
03:14:46,620 --> 03:14:48,620
think

4888
03:14:48,622 --> 03:14:49,623
that will help with the screening. We

4889
03:14:49,623 --> 03:14:51,623
put those trees,

4890
03:14:51,625 --> 03:14:52,626
the trees that we put those trees

4891
03:14:52,626 --> 03:14:54,626
in the back

4892
03:14:55,629 --> 03:14:56,630
that weren't required by code in the

4893
03:14:56,630 --> 03:14:57,631
hopes

4894
03:14:57,631 --> 03:15:01,602
of helping to screen an vet that as

4895
03:15:01,602 --> 03:15:03,602
much as

4896
03:15:04,605 --> 03:15:05,606
possible.

4897
03:15:05,606 --> 03:15:07,608
>> and the height of

4898
03:15:07,608 --> 03:15:08,609
your building, sir?

4899
03:15:08,609 --> 03:15:09,610
>> in the

4900
03:15:09,610 --> 03:15:12,613
front it's like 18 feet slit down

4901
03:15:12,613 --> 03:15:13,614
some. There's some really tall retail

4902
03:15:13,614 --> 03:15:15,614
buildings now

4903
03:15:16,617 --> 03:15:19,617
that you see. Ours is

4904
03:15:19,620 --> 03:15:21,620
I think, I

4905
03:15:22,623 --> 03:15:23,624
would say --

4906
03:15:23,624 --> 03:15:24,625
>> it's 19. Then

4907
03:15:24,625 --> 03:15:25,626
goes from, 20 to 25. That's on the

4908
03:15:25,626 --> 03:15:26,627
front.

4909
03:15:26,627 --> 03:15:28,627
>> on

4910
03:15:28,629 --> 03:15:30,629
the

4911
03:15:30,631 --> 03:15:31,632
front.

4912
03:15:31,632 --> 03:15:32,599
>> then it slopes down toward the

4913
03:15:32,599 --> 03:15:33,600
back.

4914
03:15:33,600 --> 03:15:34,601
>> and I

4915
03:15:34,601 --> 03:15:35,602
think there was mention in the report

4916
03:15:35,602 --> 03:15:36,603
about lighting

4917
03:15:36,603 --> 03:15:39,606
cut off. Lighting will be cut off

4918
03:15:39,606 --> 03:15:40,607
to prevent.

4919
03:15:40,607 --> 03:15:41,608
>> yeah, so we will be. For

4920
03:15:41,608 --> 03:15:42,609
us that's, I

4921
03:15:42,609 --> 03:15:43,610
mean we don't want to get called for

4922
03:15:43,610 --> 03:15:46,100
that right. So we

4923
03:15:46,613 --> 03:15:48,615
will be, if we do shield, we

4924
03:15:48,615 --> 03:15:49,616
do shields. We have to follow the

4925
03:15:49,616 --> 03:15:51,616
fire department's

4926
03:15:51,618 --> 03:15:52,619
rules and things like that. So we'll basically

4927
03:15:52,619 --> 03:15:55,190
work with them to

4928
03:15:55,622 --> 03:15:58,625
figure out what is. But right

4929
03:15:58,625 --> 03:16:00,625
now we

4930
03:16:01,628 --> 03:16:03,630
have a photo me

4931
03:16:03,630 --> 03:16:04,631
-- metric plan. And the photometric

4932
03:16:04,631 --> 03:16:07,601
plan is the ruleless. We'll also

4933
03:16:07,601 --> 03:16:09,601
find

4934
03:16:10,604 --> 03:16:13,607
that in the field so we

4935
03:16:13,607 --> 03:16:14,608
can get it as -- as possible.

4936
03:16:14,608 --> 03:16:15,609
>>

4937
03:16:15,609 --> 03:16:16,610
in regards to hours of operation. What

4938
03:16:16,610 --> 03:16:17,611
are the anticipated hours of operation.

4939
03:16:17,611 --> 03:16:19,611
>>

4940
03:16:19,613 --> 03:16:22,616
I would expect the busiest time to

4941
03:16:22,616 --> 03:16:23,617
be during the day. Because

4942
03:16:23,617 --> 03:16:25,619
I think there's, we're limited on,

4943
03:16:25,619 --> 03:16:26,620
we have

4944
03:16:26,620 --> 03:16:28,622
very little restaurant use here. This

4945
03:16:28,622 --> 03:16:29,623
is primarily going to be, like, I

4946
03:16:29,623 --> 03:16:30,624
would

4947
03:16:30,624 --> 03:16:31,625
be shocked if we don't have a dentist

4948
03:16:31,625 --> 03:16:33,627
in here. I would be shocked

4949
03:16:33,627 --> 03:16:34,628
if we don't have a couple of medical uses in

4950
03:16:34,628 --> 03:16:36,628
here. So

4951
03:16:37,631 --> 03:16:40,601
I think those will just be 9:00

4952
03:16:40,601 --> 03:16:42,603
to 5:00. Then you'll have some uses that

4953
03:16:42,603 --> 03:16:46,607
go till like 7:00. But we don't have

4954
03:16:46,607 --> 03:16:49,610
the tenants yet so we don't know. But

4955
03:16:49,610 --> 03:16:52,613
we'll be, say coppell has their

4956
03:16:52,613 --> 03:16:55,616
own rules right on hours of

4957
03:16:55,616 --> 03:16:57,618
operation. So we'll be you

4958
03:16:57,618 --> 03:16:58,619
know, we're trying, we'll try to balance between

4959
03:16:58,619 --> 03:16:59,620
like making

4960
03:16:59,620 --> 03:17:01,622
sure tenants have enough parking throughout

4961
03:17:01,622 --> 03:17:04,625
the day. So there's not one time

4962
03:17:04,625 --> 03:17:05,626
when everybody is there and now the parking

4963
03:17:05,626 --> 03:17:06,627
is

4964
03:17:06,627 --> 03:17:07,628
overly congested. We'll try to have

4965
03:17:07,628 --> 03:17:10,631
uses that kind of spread out a little bit

4966
03:17:10,631 --> 03:17:12,631
so we

4967
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:16,600
can keep the traffic spread

4968
03:17:16,603 --> 03:17:18,605
out as much as possible. But given

4969
03:17:18,605 --> 03:17:19,606
this area I would expect that the

4970
03:17:19,606 --> 03:17:21,606
day will

4971
03:17:21,608 --> 03:17:22,609
be most busy because that's when all

4972
03:17:22,609 --> 03:17:24,609
the tenants will

4973
03:17:24,611 --> 03:17:25,612
be open. At night and in the morning there

4974
03:17:25,612 --> 03:17:27,612
might be

4975
03:17:28,615 --> 03:17:30,617
one or two open. Like

4976
03:17:30,617 --> 03:17:31,618
a dentist closes at 5:00, right so.

4977
03:17:31,618 --> 03:17:32,619
>>

4978
03:17:32,619 --> 03:17:34,619
thank you

4979
03:17:34,621 --> 03:17:35,622
for considering about the over lap

4980
03:17:35,622 --> 03:17:37,622
and

4981
03:17:37,624 --> 03:17:40,240
parking and trying to

4982
03:17:40,627 --> 03:17:42,629
maximize that. But you've met

4983
03:17:42,629 --> 03:17:43,630
the requirement. That the coppell

4984
03:17:43,630 --> 03:17:45,630
requirement for

4985
03:17:46,600 --> 03:17:48,600
parking. So. And

4986
03:17:49,603 --> 03:17:51,605
you've, I guess a question for staff,

4987
03:17:51,605 --> 03:17:52,606
are they, the applicant mentioned

4988
03:17:52,606 --> 03:17:54,606
9:00 to 5:00 maybe

4989
03:17:55,609 --> 03:17:56,610
some of the retail use

4990
03:17:56,610 --> 03:17:59,100
to 7:00. There's other restrictions

4991
03:18:00,614 --> 03:18:01,615
on how late operations could go?

4992
03:18:01,615 --> 03:18:02,616
>>

4993
03:18:02,616 --> 03:18:04,616
we

4994
03:18:04,618 --> 03:18:07,180
haven't placed any. We

4995
03:18:07,621 --> 03:18:10,624
don't know what the tenants is. Tenants

4996
03:18:10,624 --> 03:18:11,625
will be. That's something, if you

4997
03:18:11,625 --> 03:18:13,625
want to

4998
03:18:13,627 --> 03:18:14,628
consider that.

4999
03:18:14,628 --> 03:18:15,629
>> yeah, I would expect

5000
03:18:15,629 --> 03:18:16,630
like thinking about the

5001
03:18:16,630 --> 03:18:17,631
sandwich shop that's probably the

5002
03:18:17,631 --> 03:18:19,600
one that goes the latest. And I'm

5003
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:22,603
trying to think of like, I think there's

5004
03:18:22,603 --> 03:18:24,605
a jersey mikes over there. That's

5005
03:18:24,605 --> 03:18:25,606
open till like 9:00. 9:00 10:00. I

5006
03:18:25,606 --> 03:18:27,606
don't know exactly

5007
03:18:28,609 --> 03:18:29,610
when those are open to. But that is,

5008
03:18:29,610 --> 03:18:30,611
I

5009
03:18:30,611 --> 03:18:31,612
think that's probably where we, where

5010
03:18:31,612 --> 03:18:34,612
most of these tenants cut

5011
03:18:34,615 --> 03:18:36,615
off. But we

5012
03:18:37,618 --> 03:18:40,618
don't have a line up

5013
03:18:40,621 --> 03:18:41,622
of tenants yet.

5014
03:18:41,622 --> 03:18:43,622
>>

5015
03:18:43,624 --> 03:18:45,624
I'm sorry,

5016
03:18:46,627 --> 03:18:49,627
I'm having a side bar

5017
03:18:49,630 --> 03:18:52,599
here. Okay. So no operations late

5018
03:18:52,599 --> 03:18:53,600
in the morning, midnight, beyond 6:00

5019
03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:54,601
a.m. 7:00 a.m.

5020
03:18:54,601 --> 03:18:55,602
>>

5021
03:18:55,602 --> 03:18:56,603
we don't expect that, no.

5022
03:18:56,603 --> 03:18:57,604
>> okay

5023
03:18:57,604 --> 03:18:58,605
any other

5024
03:18:58,605 --> 03:18:59,606
questions?

5025
03:18:59,606 --> 03:19:00,607
>> coffee shop might be,

5026
03:19:00,607 --> 03:19:01,608
if there's a sit down coffee shop. They

5027
03:19:01,608 --> 03:19:04,800
may open early. But

5028
03:19:04,611 --> 03:19:08,211
I'm hoping that would be welcomed

5029
03:19:08,615 --> 03:19:09,616
by the community.

5030
03:19:09,616 --> 03:19:11,616
>>

5031
03:19:11,618 --> 03:19:12,619
there's no

5032
03:19:12,619 --> 03:19:13,620
drive-thru. So.

5033
03:19:13,620 --> 03:19:14,621
>> exactly. Yeah. Just

5034
03:19:14,621 --> 03:19:15,622
for the sit down folks.

5035
03:19:15,622 --> 03:19:16,623
>> I

5036
03:19:16,623 --> 03:19:17,624
appreciate your attempts at trying

5037
03:19:17,624 --> 03:19:18,625
to preserve as many trees as

5038
03:19:18,625 --> 03:19:20,627
you can. But I think you kind of answered

5039
03:19:20,627 --> 03:19:22,627
the question,

5040
03:19:22,629 --> 03:19:23,630
I just want to make sure. You've done

5041
03:19:23,630 --> 03:19:26,600
the general grading to sort

5042
03:19:26,600 --> 03:19:29,000
of make sure that

5043
03:19:29,603 --> 03:19:30,604
what you're

5044
03:19:30,604 --> 03:19:32,606
thinking you're going to preserve

5045
03:19:32,606 --> 03:19:33,607
will be preserved based on

5046
03:19:33,607 --> 03:19:34,608
the over all grading plan of the property.

5047
03:19:34,608 --> 03:19:35,609
>>

5048
03:19:35,609 --> 03:19:36,610
our

5049
03:19:36,610 --> 03:19:38,612
plan is set on the trees. We, and

5050
03:19:38,612 --> 03:19:40,614
that was, we tagged them

5051
03:19:40,614 --> 03:19:41,615
all and we know exactly what we're

5052
03:19:41,615 --> 03:19:43,615
doing. We try

5053
03:19:44,618 --> 03:19:45,619
to plan around

5054
03:19:45,619 --> 03:19:47,621
as best we can. But the site plan

5055
03:19:47,621 --> 03:19:48,622
if approved is,

5056
03:19:48,622 --> 03:19:52,626
is this is what we'll be following

5057
03:19:52,626 --> 03:19:53,627
and the tree plan we have won't be

5058
03:19:53,627 --> 03:19:54,628
changing.

5059
03:19:54,628 --> 03:19:56,628
>>

5060
03:19:56,630 --> 03:19:59,600
so the one concern I have from

5061
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:01,602
a site plan standpoint

5062
03:20:01,602 --> 03:20:05,606
is your direct entry on to sandy lake,

5063
03:20:05,606 --> 03:20:07,606
I just feel

5064
03:20:08,609 --> 03:20:10,611
like it's close. Really close to

5065
03:20:10,611 --> 03:20:13,614
your, to the arbor meadows drive. And

5066
03:20:13,614 --> 03:20:14,615
I can see people driving across to

5067
03:20:14,615 --> 03:20:16,615
go to

5068
03:20:16,617 --> 03:20:19,620
the immediate turn lane. Have you

5069
03:20:19,620 --> 03:20:20,621
considered moving that a little bit

5070
03:20:20,621 --> 03:20:22,621
further to the

5071
03:20:23,624 --> 03:20:25,624
west to a

5072
03:20:26,627 --> 03:20:28,629
maintain a little bit of separation. More

5073
03:20:28,629 --> 03:20:30,631
separation. But also, you know, knowing that

5074
03:20:30,631 --> 03:20:32,633
people are going to cut across just

5075
03:20:32,633 --> 03:20:34,601
make it,

5076
03:20:34,601 --> 03:20:35,602
give a little more run up to that curve

5077
03:20:35,602 --> 03:20:37,602
cup. To

5078
03:20:38,605 --> 03:20:41,608
be able to make a u turn or turn

5079
03:20:41,608 --> 03:20:42,609
into the parking lot across the street.

5080
03:20:42,609 --> 03:20:43,610
>>

5081
03:20:43,610 --> 03:20:44,611
I think there were fire department reasons

5082
03:20:44,611 --> 03:20:45,612
for it having to be there.

5083
03:20:45,612 --> 03:20:47,612
>>

5084
03:20:47,614 --> 03:20:49,614
it

5085
03:20:50,617 --> 03:20:51,618
has to be

5086
03:20:51,618 --> 03:20:52,619
there.

5087
03:20:52,619 --> 03:20:53,620
>> but that's my understanding. I'm

5088
03:20:53,620 --> 03:20:56,620
open to, discussing that with

5089
03:20:56,623 --> 03:20:57,624
the planning team. But

5090
03:20:57,624 --> 03:20:58,625
that was, that was my understanding.

5091
03:20:58,625 --> 03:20:59,626
>>

5092
03:20:59,626 --> 03:21:01,626
I appreciate the

5093
03:21:02,629 --> 03:21:05,632
attempt to go over to the west because that

5094
03:21:05,632 --> 03:21:08,602
shared drive does have a left

5095
03:21:08,602 --> 03:21:09,603
turn curve

5096
03:21:09,603 --> 03:21:11,605
cut. So that will significantly help

5097
03:21:11,605 --> 03:21:12,606
once people discover it.

5098
03:21:12,606 --> 03:21:14,606
>> yeah,

5099
03:21:14,608 --> 03:21:17,611
I think it, yeah, I agree. I

5100
03:21:17,611 --> 03:21:20,614
think that is a, that was

5101
03:21:20,614 --> 03:21:22,616
a, you know and we, and in doing so

5102
03:21:22,616 --> 03:21:23,617
with the, what we're doing for them

5103
03:21:23,617 --> 03:21:24,618
is

5104
03:21:24,618 --> 03:21:26,620
putting gates up on the road. So making

5105
03:21:26,620 --> 03:21:29,623
sure that people who go to our

5106
03:21:29,623 --> 03:21:32,623
center don't go to their

5107
03:21:32,626 --> 03:21:35,629
parking lot. So we had, so we

5108
03:21:35,629 --> 03:21:37,629
worked

5109
03:21:38,632 --> 03:21:41,602
it out with them and they're

5110
03:21:41,602 --> 03:21:42,603
very good neighbors.

5111
03:21:42,603 --> 03:21:44,603
>> sue. >> just

5112
03:21:44,605 --> 03:21:47,608
a quick question for you. So

5113
03:21:47,608 --> 03:21:50,800
the green space on

5114
03:21:50,611 --> 03:21:51,612
the western portion surrounded

5115
03:21:51,612 --> 03:21:53,614
by parking lot. What is the purpose

5116
03:21:53,614 --> 03:21:54,615
of, that particular space.

5117
03:21:54,615 --> 03:21:55,616
>> so when

5118
03:21:55,616 --> 03:21:56,617
I first did that, I was hoping that

5119
03:21:56,617 --> 03:21:58,617
we could

5120
03:21:59,620 --> 03:22:02,623
put like a picnic table or something like

5121
03:22:02,623 --> 03:22:03,624
that there. Just

5122
03:22:03,624 --> 03:22:05,626
to have some additional seating. Truthfully,

5123
03:22:05,626 --> 03:22:06,627
that's where probably

5124
03:22:06,627 --> 03:22:08,629
like the transformer is going to go. But

5125
03:22:08,629 --> 03:22:11,290
we'll put it as

5126
03:22:11,632 --> 03:22:14,601
close to the dumpster as

5127
03:22:14,601 --> 03:22:17,604
possible so they're kind of together. But

5128
03:22:17,604 --> 03:22:19,604
there

5129
03:22:20,607 --> 03:22:22,607
will probably

5130
03:22:22,609 --> 03:22:23,610
need to be an electrical transformer on-site.

5131
03:22:23,610 --> 03:22:24,611
>>

5132
03:22:24,611 --> 03:22:26,611
but

5133
03:22:26,613 --> 03:22:29,616
there's no future -- snow cone or

5134
03:22:29,616 --> 03:22:30,617
--

5135
03:22:30,617 --> 03:22:32,617
>> no

5136
03:22:32,619 --> 03:22:33,620
this is all building you're going

5137
03:22:33,620 --> 03:22:34,621
to

5138
03:22:34,621 --> 03:22:35,622
get. We're at full capacity. I thought

5139
03:22:35,622 --> 03:22:37,624
you meant that little

5140
03:22:37,624 --> 03:22:38,625
green island. That little green island

5141
03:22:38,625 --> 03:22:39,626
in the middle

5142
03:22:39,626 --> 03:22:42,626
that's where the transformer will

5143
03:22:44,631 --> 03:22:45,632
go.

5144
03:22:45,632 --> 03:22:46,600
>> there's an easement there.

5145
03:22:46,600 --> 03:22:47,601
>> yeah,

5146
03:22:47,601 --> 03:22:50,601
the drainage easements. So drainage

5147
03:22:50,604 --> 03:22:51,605
from the residential

5148
03:22:51,605 --> 03:22:53,607
neighborhood goes there and it'll

5149
03:22:53,607 --> 03:22:54,608
come underneath our grading.

5150
03:22:54,608 --> 03:22:55,609
>> thank

5151
03:22:55,609 --> 03:22:56,610
you.

5152
03:22:56,610 --> 03:22:57,611
>>

5153
03:22:57,611 --> 03:22:58,612
I have one more question.

5154
03:22:58,612 --> 03:22:59,613
>> fire

5155
03:22:59,613 --> 03:23:00,614
away.

5156
03:23:00,614 --> 03:23:02,614
>>

5157
03:23:02,616 --> 03:23:04,616
so to

5158
03:23:04,618 --> 03:23:05,619
the south of the building, between

5159
03:23:05,619 --> 03:23:07,619
the

5160
03:23:08,622 --> 03:23:10,622
wall, the fence

5161
03:23:11,625 --> 03:23:13,627
and the building itself

5162
03:23:13,627 --> 03:23:14,628
you've got some, landscaped areas

5163
03:23:14,628 --> 03:23:16,628
there. I

5164
03:23:16,630 --> 03:23:17,631
presume that, each suite will have

5165
03:23:17,631 --> 03:23:19,631
access from

5166
03:23:20,601 --> 03:23:21,602
the rear. Is that correct.

5167
03:23:21,602 --> 03:23:22,603
>> yeah

5168
03:23:22,603 --> 03:23:23,604
they'll have to. For code reasons.

5169
03:23:23,604 --> 03:23:24,605
>>

5170
03:23:24,605 --> 03:23:26,607
what kind of activity do you

5171
03:23:26,607 --> 03:23:28,607
envision

5172
03:23:29,610 --> 03:23:30,611
going on in the back of the building?

5173
03:23:30,611 --> 03:23:32,611
>>

5174
03:23:32,613 --> 03:23:34,615
I think, given where, given like

5175
03:23:34,615 --> 03:23:35,616
the location of everything. I don't

5176
03:23:35,616 --> 03:23:38,160
imagine, I don't imagine

5177
03:23:38,619 --> 03:23:40,621
much. I think but for fire

5178
03:23:40,621 --> 03:23:41,622
purposes, we have to have it. So I

5179
03:23:41,622 --> 03:23:44,220
understand your question. We'll

5180
03:23:44,625 --> 03:23:47,628
have a small sidewalk there at

5181
03:23:47,628 --> 03:23:49,630
the back. But, I think, I would

5182
03:23:49,630 --> 03:23:50,631
expect like you can't, give, given the way

5183
03:23:50,631 --> 03:23:53,600
the side is. All the deliveries are

5184
03:23:53,600 --> 03:23:55,602
going to be in the front, right. They

5185
03:23:55,602 --> 03:23:56,603
just functionally have to be right. Given

5186
03:23:56,603 --> 03:23:58,605
where the dumpsters are, I

5187
03:23:58,605 --> 03:23:59,606
don't think anyone, I think going

5188
03:23:59,606 --> 03:24:01,606
out the front

5189
03:24:02,609 --> 03:24:04,609
actually makes more

5190
03:24:05,612 --> 03:24:08,612
sense for most of these

5191
03:24:08,615 --> 03:24:09,616
tenants. But there's not going to

5192
03:24:09,616 --> 03:24:11,618
be any like customer access there. There

5193
03:24:11,618 --> 03:24:14,621
might be some employee access there. All

5194
03:24:14,621 --> 03:24:15,622
the parking is on the side. Most employees

5195
03:24:15,622 --> 03:24:17,622
will

5196
03:24:17,624 --> 03:24:18,625
come to the front.

5197
03:24:18,625 --> 03:24:19,626
>> will there be

5198
03:24:19,626 --> 03:24:20,627
roll

5199
03:24:20,627 --> 03:24:21,628
up doors in the back.

5200
03:24:21,628 --> 03:24:22,629
>> roll up doors? >>

5201
03:24:22,629 --> 03:24:23,630
yeah.

5202
03:24:23,630 --> 03:24:24,631
>>

5203
03:24:24,631 --> 03:24:25,632
no.

5204
03:24:25,632 --> 03:24:26,600
>> to facilitation trash or something

5205
03:24:26,600 --> 03:24:27,601
of

5206
03:24:27,601 --> 03:24:28,602
that nature.

5207
03:24:28,602 --> 03:24:29,603
>> no, no, no. It'll

5208
03:24:29,603 --> 03:24:30,604
just be a normal

5209
03:24:30,604 --> 03:24:31,605
back door with a push bar on it for fire

5210
03:24:31,605 --> 03:24:32,606
purposes. But no roll up doors.

5211
03:24:32,606 --> 03:24:33,607
>>

5212
03:24:33,607 --> 03:24:35,607
so there's

5213
03:24:35,609 --> 03:24:37,611
no traffic access behind the

5214
03:24:37,611 --> 03:24:38,612
building either.

5215
03:24:38,612 --> 03:24:39,613
>> no. Like from a

5216
03:24:39,613 --> 03:24:40,614
vehicle perspective? Oh

5217
03:24:40,614 --> 03:24:41,615
yeah, that was the intention. Is that

5218
03:24:41,615 --> 03:24:43,615
we

5219
03:24:44,618 --> 03:24:47,180
were trying, the building

5220
03:24:47,621 --> 03:24:48,622
is meant to block the cars. So again,

5221
03:24:48,622 --> 03:24:49,623
it's not

5222
03:24:49,623 --> 03:24:50,624
a perfect solution for the residents

5223
03:24:50,624 --> 03:24:52,624
of the neighborhood

5224
03:24:53,627 --> 03:24:54,628
but this is what we have found to

5225
03:24:54,628 --> 03:24:56,628
be

5226
03:24:56,630 --> 03:24:57,631
the, at a minimum I think this is much better

5227
03:24:57,631 --> 03:24:58,632
than

5228
03:24:58,632 --> 03:24:59,633
the original plan that was already approved. So,

5229
03:24:59,633 --> 03:25:01,633
you know, we're

5230
03:25:02,603 --> 03:25:05,606
coming here in the hopes of

5231
03:25:05,606 --> 03:25:08,606
improving what was already approved

5232
03:25:09,610 --> 03:25:12,610
is our view on the

5233
03:25:12,613 --> 03:25:13,614
situation.

5234
03:25:13,614 --> 03:25:14,615
>> I would conquer

5235
03:25:14,615 --> 03:25:15,616
that this is better than originally planned. I

5236
03:25:15,616 --> 03:25:17,616
would definitely --

5237
03:25:18,619 --> 03:25:20,621
and you're really. This is

5238
03:25:20,621 --> 03:25:21,622
a retail, maybe some professional

5239
03:25:21,622 --> 03:25:23,622
services. Which

5240
03:25:23,624 --> 03:25:24,625
is almost, it's not quite right in

5241
03:25:24,625 --> 03:25:26,625
right out

5242
03:25:26,627 --> 03:25:27,628
but you have maybe some potential u

5243
03:25:27,628 --> 03:25:29,628
turn

5244
03:25:30,631 --> 03:25:33,600
traffic up there by the verizon

5245
03:25:33,600 --> 03:25:36,603
or the median to the west. But

5246
03:25:36,603 --> 03:25:38,603
you some

5247
03:25:39,606 --> 03:25:42,606
what limited with access. So

5248
03:25:42,609 --> 03:25:44,609
I mean,

5249
03:25:45,612 --> 03:25:47,614
yeah. Hopefully it'll be

5250
03:25:47,614 --> 03:25:50,617
successful. So. Okay. Any other questions

5251
03:25:50,617 --> 03:25:51,618
of the applicant? Samit.

5252
03:25:51,618 --> 03:25:52,619
>> just,

5253
03:25:52,619 --> 03:25:54,621
I just noticed. It's

5254
03:25:54,621 --> 03:25:55,622
saying 36 on the

5255
03:25:55,622 --> 03:25:56,623
southern border but I'm assuming those are

5256
03:25:56,623 --> 03:25:57,624
not shown in this graphic.

5257
03:25:57,624 --> 03:25:59,624
>> I feel

5258
03:26:00,627 --> 03:26:02,629
when you press the button it

5259
03:26:02,629 --> 03:26:03,630
was like they were not shown then

5260
03:26:03,630 --> 03:26:04,631
--

5261
03:26:04,631 --> 03:26:06,600
>>

5262
03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:07,601
there they

5263
03:26:07,601 --> 03:26:08,602
are. All right. All right.

5264
03:26:08,602 --> 03:26:09,603
>> this

5265
03:26:09,603 --> 03:26:10,604
is very schematic.

5266
03:26:10,604 --> 03:26:11,605
>> I get it. It's

5267
03:26:11,605 --> 03:26:12,606
just

5268
03:26:12,606 --> 03:26:15,609
the way I look at it. Can

5269
03:26:15,609 --> 03:26:17,611
we beef up along the backside? I mean,

5270
03:26:17,611 --> 03:26:21,615
I know it's behind the buildings. But

5271
03:26:21,615 --> 03:26:23,617
again to help buffer and screen

5272
03:26:23,617 --> 03:26:24,618
and the lighting and the whatever.

5273
03:26:24,618 --> 03:26:25,619
>>

5274
03:26:25,619 --> 03:26:27,619
we're open

5275
03:26:27,621 --> 03:26:30,624
to spreading them out. And they'll

5276
03:26:30,624 --> 03:26:32,626
all grow. I think in

5277
03:26:32,626 --> 03:26:34,628
our original plan we had them more

5278
03:26:34,628 --> 03:26:35,629
spread out. I don't remember.

5279
03:26:35,629 --> 03:26:36,630
>> there's

5280
03:26:36,630 --> 03:26:37,631
two groupings.

5281
03:26:37,631 --> 03:26:38,632
>> I think at

5282
03:26:38,632 --> 03:26:39,633
one point we had them spread out. And

5283
03:26:39,633 --> 03:26:40,601
it's

5284
03:26:40,601 --> 03:26:41,602
like, okay let's concentrate them to

5285
03:26:41,602 --> 03:26:42,603
parking. We're open to either.

5286
03:26:42,603 --> 03:26:43,604
>>

5287
03:26:43,604 --> 03:26:44,605
it's

5288
03:26:44,605 --> 03:26:45,606
blocking more of the parking right

5289
03:26:45,606 --> 03:26:46,607
now on

5290
03:26:46,607 --> 03:26:48,609
the backside of the building but they

5291
03:26:48,609 --> 03:26:49,610
might be appreciated

5292
03:26:49,610 --> 03:26:51,612
to block the backside of the building

5293
03:26:51,612 --> 03:26:52,613
as well.

5294
03:26:52,613 --> 03:26:53,614
>> I think just

5295
03:26:53,614 --> 03:26:54,615
the opposite. You want to shield the parking.

5296
03:26:54,615 --> 03:26:55,616
>>

5297
03:26:55,616 --> 03:26:57,616
that's what I'm

5298
03:26:57,618 --> 03:26:59,618
saying right now

5299
03:26:59,620 --> 03:27:01,622
they're grouped to block the parking

5300
03:27:01,622 --> 03:27:03,624
but, again to visibility for the backyards

5301
03:27:03,624 --> 03:27:05,624
to not see

5302
03:27:06,627 --> 03:27:09,270
the backside of the

5303
03:27:09,630 --> 03:27:12,630
building or the lighting that

5304
03:27:12,633 --> 03:27:15,602
required safe safety lighting back

5305
03:27:15,602 --> 03:27:17,602
there that is

5306
03:27:18,605 --> 03:27:19,606
required won't hurt.

5307
03:27:19,606 --> 03:27:20,607
>> to block the

5308
03:27:20,607 --> 03:27:21,608
security lights.

5309
03:27:21,608 --> 03:27:22,609
>>

5310
03:27:22,609 --> 03:27:23,610
light.

5311
03:27:23,610 --> 03:27:24,611
>> I think the

5312
03:27:24,611 --> 03:27:25,612
homes that are back there, most are

5313
03:27:25,612 --> 03:27:26,613
two stories.

5314
03:27:26,613 --> 03:27:27,614
>>

5315
03:27:27,614 --> 03:27:28,615
yes.

5316
03:27:28,615 --> 03:27:29,616
>> so they'll be looking down at

5317
03:27:29,616 --> 03:27:30,617
this property absent trees that mitigate

5318
03:27:30,617 --> 03:27:31,618
the view.

5319
03:27:31,618 --> 03:27:33,618
>> the ones behind

5320
03:27:33,620 --> 03:27:34,621
the building are

5321
03:27:34,621 --> 03:27:36,623
the ones that exist. Or, does that make

5322
03:27:36,623 --> 03:27:39,230
sense. There'll still be

5323
03:27:39,626 --> 03:27:42,629
some that remain there. At one

5324
03:27:42,629 --> 03:27:45,632
point we spread them out. And then,

5325
03:27:45,632 --> 03:27:48,602
I don't know if it was

5326
03:27:48,602 --> 03:27:49,603
based on feed back. Then we concentrated

5327
03:27:49,603 --> 03:27:50,604
them

5328
03:27:50,604 --> 03:27:51,605
to parking. We're open to how you,

5329
03:27:51,605 --> 03:27:53,605
how to best

5330
03:27:54,608 --> 03:27:56,610
lay them out back there. We can

5331
03:27:56,610 --> 03:27:57,611
be strategic about it.

5332
03:27:57,611 --> 03:27:58,612
>> I have one

5333
03:27:58,612 --> 03:28:00,614
more landscape related question, I'm

5334
03:28:00,614 --> 03:28:02,614
sorry. On

5335
03:28:03,617 --> 03:28:05,617
the front trees

5336
03:28:06,620 --> 03:28:08,620
are required every 50

5337
03:28:09,623 --> 03:28:11,625
feet. And I know you're

5338
03:28:11,625 --> 03:28:12,626
preserving trees in the, eastern edge. The

5339
03:28:12,626 --> 03:28:14,626
northeast corner

5340
03:28:15,629 --> 03:28:17,629
but,

5341
03:28:18,632 --> 03:28:19,633
that leaves the entirety of the sandy

5342
03:28:19,633 --> 03:28:20,601
lake

5343
03:28:20,601 --> 03:28:21,602
frontage untreed. You know, again

5344
03:28:21,602 --> 03:28:24,602
there's supposed to be one

5345
03:28:24,605 --> 03:28:26,605
every 50

5346
03:28:27,608 --> 03:28:29,608
feet. Is there

5347
03:28:30,611 --> 03:28:33,110
an easement or something

5348
03:28:33,614 --> 03:28:35,614
that's preventing? Or

5349
03:28:35,616 --> 03:28:36,617
are we counting the parking island

5350
03:28:36,617 --> 03:28:38,617
trees as

5351
03:28:39,620 --> 03:28:40,621
trees.

5352
03:28:40,621 --> 03:28:42,623
>> my understanding is we've designed

5353
03:28:42,623 --> 03:28:45,626
this to code on other than

5354
03:28:45,626 --> 03:28:47,628
the additional ones that on

5355
03:28:47,628 --> 03:28:48,629
the back. That's obviously well above code. But

5356
03:28:48,629 --> 03:28:49,630
I'm sure that

5357
03:28:49,630 --> 03:28:50,631
can be verified.

5358
03:28:50,631 --> 03:28:51,632
>> we'll take another

5359
03:28:51,632 --> 03:28:54,632
look at it and see

5360
03:28:57,604 --> 03:28:59,606
if we need to add any

5361
03:28:59,606 --> 03:29:00,607
trees.

5362
03:29:00,607 --> 03:29:01,608
>> okay. >> one last question. >>

5363
03:29:01,608 --> 03:29:02,609
sure.

5364
03:29:02,609 --> 03:29:03,610
>>

5365
03:29:03,610 --> 03:29:05,610
the roofing

5366
03:29:06,613 --> 03:29:07,614
material on the backside of this

5367
03:29:07,614 --> 03:29:09,616
building, so the building has the

5368
03:29:09,616 --> 03:29:12,616
roofs then it comes down

5369
03:29:12,619 --> 03:29:15,622
like this and comes down. So you have your

5370
03:29:15,622 --> 03:29:18,220
--in front. Is that

5371
03:29:18,625 --> 03:29:21,628
going to be like one of those

5372
03:29:21,628 --> 03:29:22,629
white covered types of --

5373
03:29:22,629 --> 03:29:24,629
>> yeah

5374
03:29:24,631 --> 03:29:27,310
it'll be a tpo

5375
03:29:27,601 --> 03:29:28,602
roof.

5376
03:29:28,602 --> 03:29:30,604
>> which is white generally. >>

5377
03:29:30,604 --> 03:29:31,605
right. Yes.

5378
03:29:31,605 --> 03:29:32,606
>> again being two storied. Is

5379
03:29:32,606 --> 03:29:33,607
it kind of pushing for some mitigation for

5380
03:29:33,607 --> 03:29:34,608
the glare

5381
03:29:34,608 --> 03:29:36,610
and whatever that might come off of

5382
03:29:36,610 --> 03:29:37,611
that roof.

5383
03:29:37,611 --> 03:29:39,613
>> yeah I don't know

5384
03:29:39,613 --> 03:29:40,614
if tpo is known for that. But I understand

5385
03:29:40,614 --> 03:29:41,615
what you're saying

5386
03:29:41,615 --> 03:29:42,616
because it's white. I'm happy to consider. I

5387
03:29:42,616 --> 03:29:44,616
don't have a

5388
03:29:45,619 --> 03:29:46,620
solution off the top of my head for

5389
03:29:46,620 --> 03:29:47,621
that.

5390
03:29:47,621 --> 03:29:48,622
>>

5391
03:29:48,622 --> 03:29:50,622
are there other

5392
03:29:51,625 --> 03:29:54,628
colors beside white. Is there a

5393
03:29:54,628 --> 03:29:55,629
tan color.

5394
03:29:55,629 --> 03:29:57,629
>>

5395
03:29:57,631 --> 03:29:59,631
no, white

5396
03:30:00,601 --> 03:30:01,602
is, yeah. It's like an

5397
03:30:01,602 --> 03:30:03,604
energy preservation. Yeah. But yeah. No

5398
03:30:03,604 --> 03:30:06,604
it's a fair question. I

5399
03:30:06,607 --> 03:30:07,608
don't have a solution to that. But

5400
03:30:07,608 --> 03:30:09,608
understood. Appreciate

5401
03:30:09,610 --> 03:30:10,611
the feed back.

5402
03:30:10,611 --> 03:30:11,612
>> thank you very much

5403
03:30:11,612 --> 03:30:12,613
for answering the

5404
03:30:12,613 --> 03:30:13,614
questions there. We may bring you

5405
03:30:13,614 --> 03:30:14,615
back at the end.

5406
03:30:14,615 --> 03:30:15,616
>> I

5407
03:30:15,616 --> 03:30:16,617
figured, yeah. Thank you.

5408
03:30:16,617 --> 03:30:17,618
>> so this

5409
03:30:17,618 --> 03:30:18,619
is a public hearing. We

5410
03:30:18,619 --> 03:30:20,619
have several folks

5411
03:30:21,622 --> 03:30:24,220
that are signed up

5412
03:30:24,625 --> 03:30:26,625
to

5413
03:30:27,628 --> 03:30:30,280
speak. I'll call in

5414
03:30:30,631 --> 03:30:33,310
order, we'll go with

5415
03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:34,601
vishi

5416
03:30:34,601 --> 03:30:36,603
subramanyan. Followed by shanti subramanyan. Then

5417
03:30:36,603 --> 03:30:38,603
followed

5418
03:30:39,606 --> 03:30:40,607
by uma alagapan.

5419
03:30:40,607 --> 03:30:41,608
>> yeah, hi. Thank

5420
03:30:41,608 --> 03:30:42,609
you. Thank you folks for taking listening

5421
03:30:42,609 --> 03:30:43,610
to us.

5422
03:30:43,610 --> 03:30:45,610
>> name

5423
03:30:45,612 --> 03:30:47,612
and address for

5424
03:30:48,615 --> 03:30:49,616
the record.

5425
03:30:49,616 --> 03:30:51,616
>>

5426
03:30:51,618 --> 03:30:54,621
my name is vishi subramanyan. I

5427
03:30:54,621 --> 03:30:56,621
live at

5428
03:30:57,624 --> 03:31:00,240
126 wild plum. Our property

5429
03:31:00,627 --> 03:31:01,628
is exactly behind the building

5430
03:31:01,628 --> 03:31:03,630
that is being proposed currently.

5431
03:31:03,630 --> 03:31:06,630
so, if you look at

5432
03:31:06,633 --> 03:31:08,602
this place has a lot of, a

5433
03:31:08,602 --> 03:31:10,604
lot of, its very wooded currently. And

5434
03:31:10,604 --> 03:31:12,604
when

5435
03:31:12,606 --> 03:31:13,607
we bought this house, we bought it

5436
03:31:13,607 --> 03:31:15,607
in

5437
03:31:15,609 --> 03:31:16,610
what 2015, 2016 time frame. We were

5438
03:31:16,610 --> 03:31:17,611
told by

5439
03:31:17,611 --> 03:31:19,613
our realtor, which I obviously I'm

5440
03:31:19,613 --> 03:31:21,613
hearing that it

5441
03:31:22,616 --> 03:31:23,617
is, it was not true. But

5442
03:31:23,617 --> 03:31:25,619
we bought it primarily because we

5443
03:31:25,619 --> 03:31:27,621
had a, green zone and we

5444
03:31:27,621 --> 03:31:28,622
were told it's a green zone. That's why

5445
03:31:28,622 --> 03:31:29,623
we bought it.

5446
03:31:29,623 --> 03:31:30,624
>>

5447
03:31:30,624 --> 03:31:34,628
there was not going to be building

5448
03:31:34,628 --> 03:31:35,629
on it.

5449
03:31:35,629 --> 03:31:37,629
>> so, any

5450
03:31:37,631 --> 03:31:38,632
way. So that's

5451
03:31:38,632 --> 03:31:39,633
what it is. That's fine. Primarily

5452
03:31:39,633 --> 03:31:42,603
our main concern is there's going

5453
03:31:42,603 --> 03:31:43,604
to be a lot of noise. There's going

5454
03:31:43,604 --> 03:31:45,606
to be smell, especially

5455
03:31:45,606 --> 03:31:48,609
we didn't know there was a restaurant

5456
03:31:48,609 --> 03:31:49,610
that's going to come in. That's being

5457
03:31:49,610 --> 03:31:51,610
proposed currently. So

5458
03:31:51,612 --> 03:31:55,616
we really don't like that idea of

5459
03:31:55,616 --> 03:31:57,616
a

5460
03:31:57,618 --> 03:31:58,619
restaurant coming in behind our property. So

5461
03:31:58,619 --> 03:32:00,619
we object

5462
03:32:01,622 --> 03:32:04,625
to it. Second thing, the other

5463
03:32:04,625 --> 03:32:06,627
idea is the traffic on sandy

5464
03:32:06,627 --> 03:32:07,628
lake. Currently, coming out of arbor manors

5465
03:32:07,628 --> 03:32:09,628
and

5466
03:32:10,631 --> 03:32:13,600
making a left, going to the

5467
03:32:13,600 --> 03:32:16,603
airport is really hard. If you come

5468
03:32:16,603 --> 03:32:18,603
around 4:00 on sandy

5469
03:32:19,606 --> 03:32:20,607
lake the traffic

5470
03:32:20,607 --> 03:32:22,609
is just, horrendous. Especially you're

5471
03:32:22,609 --> 03:32:23,610
very

5472
03:32:23,610 --> 03:32:25,612
close to, close to denton tap. So

5473
03:32:25,612 --> 03:32:26,613
that traffic, sandy

5474
03:32:26,613 --> 03:32:28,615
lake traffic, people coming out of sprouts

5475
03:32:28,615 --> 03:32:30,615
making

5476
03:32:31,618 --> 03:32:33,618
a left

5477
03:32:33,620 --> 03:32:34,621
on to sandy lake. A --there is no

5478
03:32:34,621 --> 03:32:35,622
traffic light there.

5479
03:32:35,622 --> 03:32:37,622
>>

5480
03:32:37,624 --> 03:32:38,625
there's a lot of conflict points.

5481
03:32:38,625 --> 03:32:40,625
>>

5482
03:32:40,627 --> 03:32:41,628
it's just a matter

5483
03:32:41,628 --> 03:32:43,630
of time before somebody hits someone. The

5484
03:32:43,630 --> 03:32:46,630
city also made another change

5485
03:32:46,633 --> 03:32:48,602
recently

5486
03:32:48,602 --> 03:32:49,603
in the last couple of years. They

5487
03:32:49,603 --> 03:32:51,603
allowed sorry,

5488
03:32:52,606 --> 03:32:54,608
I'm not used to

5489
03:32:54,608 --> 03:32:55,609
these things. But any way, they allowed, they stopped

5490
03:32:55,609 --> 03:32:57,609
prevented

5491
03:32:58,612 --> 03:32:59,613
a u turn

5492
03:32:59,613 --> 03:33:01,615
from taking place there. Right. Outside

5493
03:33:01,615 --> 03:33:03,615
sandy

5494
03:33:04,618 --> 03:33:07,618
lake. Right outside sprouts, so

5495
03:33:07,621 --> 03:33:08,622
what happens is people come into the

5496
03:33:08,622 --> 03:33:10,622
neighborhood. And they're

5497
03:33:10,624 --> 03:33:12,626
speeding. They just make a

5498
03:33:12,626 --> 03:33:13,627
u turn at the end of the cul-de-sac

5499
03:33:13,627 --> 03:33:16,270
and make a right

5500
03:33:16,630 --> 03:33:19,633
or left. There's no traffic light there. It

5501
03:33:19,633 --> 03:33:21,633
is just hard

5502
03:33:22,603 --> 03:33:24,603
for us to

5503
03:33:24,605 --> 03:33:25,606
even come out. It's not normal.

5504
03:33:25,606 --> 03:33:26,607
>>

5505
03:33:26,607 --> 03:33:27,608
and

5506
03:33:27,608 --> 03:33:31,612
despite the u turn signs, maybe I

5507
03:33:31,612 --> 03:33:32,613
--but despite the u turn sign, people

5508
03:33:32,613 --> 03:33:34,613
keep making

5509
03:33:34,615 --> 03:33:37,618
u turns. I try to make

5510
03:33:37,618 --> 03:33:38,619
a right turn and I think, okay, somebody with the

5511
03:33:38,619 --> 03:33:39,620
indicator

5512
03:33:39,620 --> 03:33:40,621
they're turning left. And I'm safe

5513
03:33:40,621 --> 03:33:43,621
to go. And before I

5514
03:33:43,624 --> 03:33:46,624
know it, they're u turning

5515
03:33:46,627 --> 03:33:47,628
and I'm trying

5516
03:33:47,628 --> 03:33:49,630
to turn and we're in conflict. It

5517
03:33:49,630 --> 03:33:52,633
happens all the time. So that's

5518
03:33:52,633 --> 03:33:53,600
one request. But the traffic is

5519
03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:54,601
one thing. Go ahead, you finish.

5520
03:33:54,601 --> 03:33:55,602
>>

5521
03:33:55,602 --> 03:33:57,602
the other thing

5522
03:33:58,605 --> 03:34:01,608
is we sit in the backyard, we

5523
03:34:01,608 --> 03:34:04,611
are able to enjoy. Once this building

5524
03:34:04,611 --> 03:34:07,614
comes up, we are done. The other thing that is annoying

5525
03:34:07,614 --> 03:34:10,617
is also he says, it's okay. I

5526
03:34:10,617 --> 03:34:13,620
think they can hear me. I

5527
03:34:13,620 --> 03:34:15,620
think I'm

5528
03:34:16,623 --> 03:34:17,624
loud enough. If you

5529
03:34:17,624 --> 03:34:19,626
folks aren't able to hear me. So,

5530
03:34:19,626 --> 03:34:21,626
the other

5531
03:34:22,629 --> 03:34:24,629
thing is, we

5532
03:34:25,632 --> 03:34:28,602
sit in the backyard and we

5533
03:34:28,602 --> 03:34:30,602
enjoy the

5534
03:34:31,605 --> 03:34:34,500
nature. And we're going

5535
03:34:34,608 --> 03:34:36,610
lose all that stuff now. I do not

5536
03:34:36,610 --> 03:34:38,612
know the legal thing but based on

5537
03:34:38,612 --> 03:34:40,614
my research, is it smart zoning? Is

5538
03:34:40,614 --> 03:34:42,614
that

5539
03:34:42,616 --> 03:34:45,619
even a valid statement anymore. Because

5540
03:34:45,619 --> 03:34:46,620
you're already commercialized it before

5541
03:34:46,620 --> 03:34:48,620
now. This

5542
03:34:49,623 --> 03:34:52,626
is just requesting a change in the zoning

5543
03:34:52,626 --> 03:34:55,260
allowing them to do

5544
03:34:55,629 --> 03:34:58,632
other things, I guess. But I'm

5545
03:34:58,632 --> 03:35:01,602
not a lawyer, but I do plan to

5546
03:35:01,602 --> 03:35:03,602
protest. Thank

5547
03:35:04,605 --> 03:35:07,608
you. I think I'm done with

5548
03:35:07,608 --> 03:35:09,610
my three minutes. I

5549
03:35:09,610 --> 03:35:10,611
think I'm done. Thank you.

5550
03:35:10,611 --> 03:35:11,612
>> shanti

5551
03:35:11,612 --> 03:35:12,613
has three minutes.

5552
03:35:12,613 --> 03:35:13,614
>> yeah. So the

5553
03:35:13,614 --> 03:35:16,617
main points I want to make is,

5554
03:35:16,617 --> 03:35:17,618
I realize now that our realtor gave

5555
03:35:17,618 --> 03:35:19,620
us false information. And there's

5556
03:35:19,620 --> 03:35:21,622
nothing we can do about that. It is

5557
03:35:21,622 --> 03:35:22,623
zoned commercial. I like the fact

5558
03:35:22,623 --> 03:35:25,230
that they are making

5559
03:35:25,626 --> 03:35:27,626
an effort

5560
03:35:28,629 --> 03:35:31,632
to move the traffic up to the

5561
03:35:31,632 --> 03:35:34,601
front. So given the situation;

5562
03:35:34,601 --> 03:35:36,601
main concern

5563
03:35:37,604 --> 03:35:39,606
is, if we have restaurants, that

5564
03:35:39,606 --> 03:35:40,607
they're restricted types of restaurant. We

5565
03:35:40,607 --> 03:35:42,607
don't want anything

5566
03:35:43,610 --> 03:35:45,612
that's deep frying, or smells

5567
03:35:45,612 --> 03:35:49,616
or rodents to be encourage encouraged because

5568
03:35:49,616 --> 03:35:50,617
it will come to the residential area

5569
03:35:50,617 --> 03:35:51,618
and

5570
03:35:51,618 --> 03:35:52,619
also it increases noise. So if the

5571
03:35:52,619 --> 03:35:53,620
restrictions could be placed that

5572
03:35:53,620 --> 03:35:54,621
we have

5573
03:35:54,621 --> 03:35:55,622
more quiet type of restaurants if you're

5574
03:35:55,622 --> 03:35:57,622
going

5575
03:35:58,625 --> 03:36:01,628
to have. Coffee shops are fine. But

5576
03:36:01,628 --> 03:36:03,630
not the kind where it's much more

5577
03:36:03,630 --> 03:36:04,631
noisy, dinner restaurants and things

5578
03:36:04,631 --> 03:36:06,631
that you

5579
03:36:07,601 --> 03:36:10,604
know, would go on till late at

5580
03:36:10,604 --> 03:36:12,604
night. And that

5581
03:36:13,607 --> 03:36:15,609
doesn't, is not consistent with

5582
03:36:15,609 --> 03:36:16,610
the residential life. The other thing

5583
03:36:16,610 --> 03:36:19,613
is, the wall is you know we're

5584
03:36:19,613 --> 03:36:22,616
asking that if it can be

5585
03:36:22,616 --> 03:36:24,616
increased in height

5586
03:36:25,619 --> 03:36:27,619
to give

5587
03:36:27,621 --> 03:36:28,622
more privacy, more protection from

5588
03:36:28,622 --> 03:36:31,625
the noise. The, you know, and lighting. Because

5589
03:36:31,625 --> 03:36:34,628
even as it is right now we go

5590
03:36:34,628 --> 03:36:35,629
upstairs, the sprouts lighting the

5591
03:36:35,629 --> 03:36:37,629
night lighting comes

5592
03:36:37,631 --> 03:36:40,310
straight up into the,

5593
03:36:40,601 --> 03:36:43,604
into our home at the back. So

5594
03:36:43,604 --> 03:36:46,400
those other requests that

5595
03:36:48,609 --> 03:36:49,610
I can make given the situation that

5596
03:36:49,610 --> 03:36:50,611
we have.

5597
03:36:50,611 --> 03:36:52,613
>> yeah and, one of

5598
03:36:52,613 --> 03:36:54,613
the

5599
03:36:55,616 --> 03:36:56,617
things that I would like to point

5600
03:36:56,617 --> 03:36:58,617
out is,

5601
03:36:59,620 --> 03:37:01,620
how can they

5602
03:37:02,623 --> 03:37:03,624
say that there is not going to

5603
03:37:03,624 --> 03:37:05,626
be people coming to the back? If I

5604
03:37:05,626 --> 03:37:08,626
have a restaurant, I'm not

5605
03:37:08,629 --> 03:37:11,632
going to allow people to come

5606
03:37:11,632 --> 03:37:14,601
through the front to deliver

5607
03:37:14,601 --> 03:37:16,603
stuff. The delivery has

5608
03:37:16,603 --> 03:37:17,604
to happen in the back.

5609
03:37:17,604 --> 03:37:18,605
>> no. >> it cannot. How

5610
03:37:18,605 --> 03:37:19,606
can they

5611
03:37:19,606 --> 03:37:20,607
do that?

5612
03:37:20,607 --> 03:37:21,608
>> that's not reflected in

5613
03:37:21,608 --> 03:37:22,609
the current plan.

5614
03:37:22,609 --> 03:37:23,610
>> the deliveries

5615
03:37:23,610 --> 03:37:24,611
are going to be from the

5616
03:37:24,611 --> 03:37:26,613
front. I'm not defending the application

5617
03:37:26,613 --> 03:37:29,613
but I'm saying the deliveries

5618
03:37:29,616 --> 03:37:31,616
are

5619
03:37:31,618 --> 03:37:32,619
going to be from the front. It's only

5620
03:37:32,619 --> 03:37:33,620
emergency

5621
03:37:33,620 --> 03:37:35,622
access, a door for the site. That's

5622
03:37:35,622 --> 03:37:37,622
all. We're not

5623
03:37:38,625 --> 03:37:39,626
going go back and forth. I

5624
03:37:39,626 --> 03:37:40,627
will let you finish your statement.

5625
03:37:40,627 --> 03:37:41,628
>>

5626
03:37:41,628 --> 03:37:42,629
okay. You already --

5627
03:37:42,629 --> 03:37:44,629
>>

5628
03:37:44,631 --> 03:37:45,632
and so again, we would

5629
03:37:45,632 --> 03:37:47,601
like to minimize noise, minimize rodents,

5630
03:37:47,601 --> 03:37:49,601
minimize smell and

5631
03:37:50,604 --> 03:37:51,605
be able to still enjoy our backyard

5632
03:37:51,605 --> 03:37:53,607
without having you know, still have

5633
03:37:53,607 --> 03:37:55,607
that privacy to

5634
03:37:55,609 --> 03:37:56,610
some extent and not have it feel like commercial.

5635
03:37:56,610 --> 03:37:57,611
>>

5636
03:37:57,611 --> 03:37:58,612
if

5637
03:37:58,612 --> 03:38:02,616
I could ask you one question, you

5638
03:38:02,616 --> 03:38:04,616
have a

5639
03:38:04,618 --> 03:38:05,619
fence in your back? Is it a 6-foot,

5640
03:38:05,619 --> 03:38:07,619
8-foot fence. Is

5641
03:38:08,622 --> 03:38:10,624
it an open fence, rot

5642
03:38:10,624 --> 03:38:11,625
iron.

5643
03:38:11,625 --> 03:38:12,626
>> no it's masonry, white color. >>

5644
03:38:12,626 --> 03:38:13,627
okay

5645
03:38:13,627 --> 03:38:14,628
so it's a solid wall.

5646
03:38:14,628 --> 03:38:16,628
>> solid wall. >>

5647
03:38:16,630 --> 03:38:17,631
but, again, just if that could be increased

5648
03:38:17,631 --> 03:38:19,631
in

5649
03:38:19,633 --> 03:38:22,603
height mainly for the light at night. That's

5650
03:38:22,603 --> 03:38:23,604
the concern. Because some of the parking,

5651
03:38:23,604 --> 03:38:24,605
I mean, and

5652
03:38:24,605 --> 03:38:26,607
I don't know if there's emergency

5653
03:38:26,607 --> 03:38:28,607
lighting, whatever

5654
03:38:29,610 --> 03:38:31,610
there is at

5655
03:38:31,612 --> 03:38:32,613
the light. If that comes into the yard it'll

5656
03:38:32,613 --> 03:38:33,614
impact

5657
03:38:33,614 --> 03:38:34,615
us.

5658
03:38:34,615 --> 03:38:35,616
>> okay, thank you very much. >>

5659
03:38:35,616 --> 03:38:36,617
thank you.

5660
03:38:36,617 --> 03:38:38,617
>> can

5661
03:38:38,619 --> 03:38:41,190
I ask one question

5662
03:38:44,625 --> 03:38:46,627
real quick. Mary can you bring

5663
03:38:46,627 --> 03:38:49,630
up the two plans. So the plan on the

5664
03:38:49,630 --> 03:38:52,633
left is already approved. The plan

5665
03:38:52,633 --> 03:38:53,634
on the right is what they're proposing. If

5666
03:38:53,634 --> 03:38:55,634
you

5667
03:38:56,603 --> 03:38:58,605
had a choice, which of those

5668
03:38:58,605 --> 03:38:59,606
two plans would you prefer?

5669
03:38:59,606 --> 03:39:00,607
>> the

5670
03:39:00,607 --> 03:39:01,608
new one.

5671
03:39:01,608 --> 03:39:02,609
>> okay. >>

5672
03:39:02,609 --> 03:39:03,610
the only thing that has changed that

5673
03:39:03,610 --> 03:39:04,611
wasn't

5674
03:39:04,611 --> 03:39:05,612
there that I thought was the restaurant addition

5675
03:39:05,612 --> 03:39:07,612
of restaurants. So

5676
03:39:08,615 --> 03:39:10,617
again if we could restrict the

5677
03:39:10,617 --> 03:39:11,618
types of restaurants. You know, many, I

5678
03:39:11,618 --> 03:39:13,620
mean if they're full

5679
03:39:13,620 --> 03:39:14,621
food restaurants that want to be open

5680
03:39:14,621 --> 03:39:15,622
until 10:00

5681
03:39:15,622 --> 03:39:16,623
at night but that's what I'm saying.

5682
03:39:16,623 --> 03:39:17,624
>>

5683
03:39:17,624 --> 03:39:18,625
understood.

5684
03:39:18,625 --> 03:39:20,625
>> yeah. >> thank you. >>

5685
03:39:20,627 --> 03:39:22,627
but you won't

5686
03:39:22,629 --> 03:39:23,630
have a problem with a coffee shop

5687
03:39:23,630 --> 03:39:24,631
for example.

5688
03:39:24,631 --> 03:39:26,631
>>

5689
03:39:26,633 --> 03:39:27,601
correct.

5690
03:39:27,601 --> 03:39:29,601
>>

5691
03:39:29,603 --> 03:39:30,604
different kind

5692
03:39:30,604 --> 03:39:31,605
of smell. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

5693
03:39:31,605 --> 03:39:32,606
>>

5694
03:39:32,606 --> 03:39:34,606
okay

5695
03:39:35,609 --> 03:39:36,610
mrs. Uma alagapan.

5696
03:39:36,610 --> 03:39:38,610
>>

5697
03:39:38,612 --> 03:39:39,613
yes.

5698
03:39:39,613 --> 03:39:41,613
>>

5699
03:39:41,615 --> 03:39:43,615
and

5700
03:39:44,618 --> 03:39:46,618
then to be

5701
03:39:47,621 --> 03:39:49,621
followed

5702
03:39:50,624 --> 03:39:51,625
by ramar. Okay.

5703
03:39:51,625 --> 03:39:53,625
>> my name is

5704
03:39:53,627 --> 03:39:55,629
uma alagapan. I live on wild

5705
03:39:55,629 --> 03:39:56,630
plum road. I'm a neighbor of shanti. I

5706
03:39:56,630 --> 03:39:58,630
agree with all

5707
03:39:59,633 --> 03:40:01,602
they've said. But I have this point. We

5708
03:40:01,602 --> 03:40:02,603
are already surrounded by so many

5709
03:40:02,603 --> 03:40:04,603
coffee

5710
03:40:05,606 --> 03:40:07,608
shops and sandwich shops in

5711
03:40:07,608 --> 03:40:08,609
every direction. Every kind of grocery

5712
03:40:08,609 --> 03:40:09,610
shop too. So,

5713
03:40:09,610 --> 03:40:11,612
we're like surrounded with so much

5714
03:40:11,612 --> 03:40:13,612
retail,

5715
03:40:14,615 --> 03:40:17,615
so many doctors, so many

5716
03:40:17,618 --> 03:40:18,619
gyms. So I would strongly ask the city

5717
03:40:18,619 --> 03:40:19,620
to

5718
03:40:19,620 --> 03:40:20,621
reconsider. To cutting down all these trees. Because

5719
03:40:20,621 --> 03:40:22,621
that's

5720
03:40:23,624 --> 03:40:26,240
the only thing we

5721
03:40:26,627 --> 03:40:27,628
don't have. Thank you.

5722
03:40:27,628 --> 03:40:29,628
>>

5723
03:40:29,630 --> 03:40:31,630
thank you. Okay

5724
03:40:32,633 --> 03:40:35,330
rama r then followed

5725
03:40:35,602 --> 03:40:36,603
by rama sani. Okay.

5726
03:40:36,603 --> 03:40:37,604
>> hi,

5727
03:40:37,604 --> 03:40:41,608
thank you for hearing me out. I'm rama,

5728
03:40:41,608 --> 03:40:43,608
I live in

5729
03:40:44,611 --> 03:40:46,613
129 wild plum drive. So the

5730
03:40:46,613 --> 03:40:47,614
traffic is a huge concern. This community has

5731
03:40:47,614 --> 03:40:48,615
over 730 homes, children

5732
03:40:48,615 --> 03:40:50,617
are going to schools. School buses

5733
03:40:50,617 --> 03:40:52,617
have to come

5734
03:40:53,620 --> 03:40:54,621
in and go out and that's a hazard as

5735
03:40:54,621 --> 03:40:55,622
is. When

5736
03:40:55,622 --> 03:40:59,626
she talked about the left turn on

5737
03:40:59,626 --> 03:41:00,627
sandy lake he was right on point. It

5738
03:41:00,627 --> 03:41:02,627
makes

5739
03:41:02,629 --> 03:41:03,630
it difficult to even drive to sprouts. We

5740
03:41:03,630 --> 03:41:04,631
live here

5741
03:41:04,631 --> 03:41:08,602
across the street, and we have to,

5742
03:41:08,602 --> 03:41:09,603
it's just easier to walk and get what you

5743
03:41:09,603 --> 03:41:11,603
want. And

5744
03:41:11,605 --> 03:41:14,608
this is not just peak hour. Peak

5745
03:41:14,608 --> 03:41:17,611
hour is a nightmare but even

5746
03:41:17,611 --> 03:41:20,110
the regular times. Even

5747
03:41:20,614 --> 03:41:22,616
at 10:00 in the morning. We

5748
03:41:22,616 --> 03:41:23,617
are the connection. Sandy lake is

5749
03:41:23,617 --> 03:41:25,617
the connection of

5750
03:41:26,620 --> 03:41:29,620
denton and carlton. People are

5751
03:41:29,623 --> 03:41:31,623
driving through

5752
03:41:31,625 --> 03:41:32,626
us and there's no highway or anything

5753
03:41:32,626 --> 03:41:35,626
yet. And businesses, traffic is

5754
03:41:35,629 --> 03:41:38,629
a concern. People are using

5755
03:41:38,632 --> 03:41:41,602
us as a shortcut. They do enter through

5756
03:41:41,602 --> 03:41:44,602
the sandy lake entrance and

5757
03:41:44,605 --> 03:41:47,608
exit out of our denton tap entrance. So

5758
03:41:47,608 --> 03:41:49,608
this is

5759
03:41:50,611 --> 03:41:51,612
already a thoroughfare for other traffic and now,

5760
03:41:51,612 --> 03:41:53,612
this will

5761
03:41:53,614 --> 03:41:54,615
just probably make our matters worse. City

5762
03:41:54,615 --> 03:41:56,615
would have to

5763
03:41:56,617 --> 03:41:57,618
do something to protect, the kids who

5764
03:41:57,618 --> 03:41:59,618
are walking

5765
03:41:59,620 --> 03:42:02,623
to school to wilson or high school. And

5766
03:42:02,623 --> 03:42:04,623
the buses the

5767
03:42:04,625 --> 03:42:07,628
school buses and the general population

5768
03:42:07,628 --> 03:42:08,629
to safely exit and enter the community. Not

5769
03:42:08,629 --> 03:42:11,629
just, you know this. It's

5770
03:42:11,632 --> 03:42:14,601
also trader joe on the other side. So

5771
03:42:14,601 --> 03:42:15,602
we kind of need something better on

5772
03:42:15,602 --> 03:42:17,602
both

5773
03:42:17,604 --> 03:42:18,605
streets. And that is my point. And

5774
03:42:18,605 --> 03:42:20,605
thank

5775
03:42:20,607 --> 03:42:21,608
you all.

5776
03:42:21,608 --> 03:42:23,608
>> so

5777
03:42:23,610 --> 03:42:25,610
just

5778
03:42:25,612 --> 03:42:26,613
to make sure you understand. There's,

5779
03:42:26,613 --> 03:42:28,613
there's

5780
03:42:29,616 --> 03:42:32,160
traffic observed traffic coming

5781
03:42:32,619 --> 03:42:34,619
in, arbor manors

5782
03:42:34,621 --> 03:42:35,622
off of sandy lake. Traversing through

5783
03:42:35,622 --> 03:42:37,624
the neighborhood and then

5784
03:42:37,624 --> 03:42:38,625
exiting brae wood denton tap.

5785
03:42:38,625 --> 03:42:39,626
>>s

5786
03:42:39,626 --> 03:42:40,627
that correct.

5787
03:42:40,627 --> 03:42:41,628
>> and

5788
03:42:41,628 --> 03:42:42,629
you've observed this.

5789
03:42:42,629 --> 03:42:43,630
>> yes. These

5790
03:42:43,630 --> 03:42:44,631
are people who are evading

5791
03:42:44,631 --> 03:42:46,633
that light. And they don't

5792
03:42:46,633 --> 03:42:47,601
have to wait in line forever. So we

5793
03:42:47,601 --> 03:42:49,603
are conveniently a way out

5794
03:42:49,603 --> 03:42:53,607
where you don't have to waste two

5795
03:42:53,607 --> 03:42:54,608
or three minutes or more where you

5796
03:42:54,608 --> 03:42:56,610
have to wait for

5797
03:42:56,610 --> 03:42:57,611
turns to just

5798
03:42:57,611 --> 03:43:00,614
hit the light. We're already a thoroughfare. You

5799
03:43:00,614 --> 03:43:02,614
know for all

5800
03:43:03,617 --> 03:43:05,619
those peak hours. And that's

5801
03:43:05,619 --> 03:43:09,623
why it takes a while even for the

5802
03:43:09,623 --> 03:43:10,624
buses to come in and

5803
03:43:10,624 --> 03:43:11,625
leave the community.

5804
03:43:11,625 --> 03:43:12,626
>> got you. Thank

5805
03:43:12,626 --> 03:43:13,627
you.

5806
03:43:13,627 --> 03:43:15,627
>> all right,

5807
03:43:15,629 --> 03:43:16,630
anything else?

5808
03:43:16,630 --> 03:43:18,630
>>

5809
03:43:18,632 --> 03:43:20,632
got

5810
03:43:21,602 --> 03:43:23,602
a question for

5811
03:43:24,605 --> 03:43:25,606
her? Anyone?

5812
03:43:25,606 --> 03:43:26,607
>> thanks

5813
03:43:26,607 --> 03:43:27,608
again.

5814
03:43:27,608 --> 03:43:28,609
>> rama sani. >> hi, I'm jea pria

5815
03:43:28,609 --> 03:43:29,610
ramasami. 180

5816
03:43:29,610 --> 03:43:30,611
plum. Thank you for hearing us out. I'm

5817
03:43:30,611 --> 03:43:31,612
also

5818
03:43:31,612 --> 03:43:33,614
in for the current proposal. I see

5819
03:43:33,614 --> 03:43:36,140
how they have accommodated

5820
03:43:36,617 --> 03:43:39,620
a lot of things. But one thing

5821
03:43:39,620 --> 03:43:42,623
if I wanted to ask is, can we

5822
03:43:42,623 --> 03:43:45,626
try to avoid restaurants even the

5823
03:43:45,626 --> 03:43:46,627
coffee shops and have

5824
03:43:46,627 --> 03:43:51,427
other retail options. Because of currently after andy's

5825
03:43:51,632 --> 03:43:53,634
opened, we are at

5826
03:43:53,634 --> 03:43:54,601
just right behind the building that is

5827
03:43:54,601 --> 03:43:56,601
proposed. With

5828
03:43:56,603 --> 03:43:57,604
andy open, I have to close out with

5829
03:43:57,604 --> 03:43:58,605
heavy

5830
03:43:58,605 --> 03:44:00,607
curtains even to avoid this light. This

5831
03:44:00,607 --> 03:44:02,607
business

5832
03:44:02,609 --> 03:44:04,611
which is proposing for retail I'm

5833
03:44:04,611 --> 03:44:06,613
okay because it's already, it's zoned

5834
03:44:06,613 --> 03:44:08,613
for

5835
03:44:09,616 --> 03:44:11,618
retail. So there's no argument about that. But

5836
03:44:11,618 --> 03:44:12,619
can we avoid restaurants, which will

5837
03:44:12,619 --> 03:44:13,620
be opening even

5838
03:44:13,620 --> 03:44:15,622
at 10:00 or in the weekends that's

5839
03:44:15,622 --> 03:44:18,625
the time we have coffee shops are

5840
03:44:18,625 --> 03:44:20,627
going to open early in the

5841
03:44:20,627 --> 03:44:21,628
morning. Though I like the coffee smell,

5842
03:44:21,628 --> 03:44:22,629
but you know.

5843
03:44:22,629 --> 03:44:24,629
>>

5844
03:44:24,631 --> 03:44:25,632
only so much, right.

5845
03:44:25,632 --> 03:44:27,601
>> I don't want

5846
03:44:27,601 --> 03:44:29,603
to do that. And I wanted to, add

5847
03:44:29,603 --> 03:44:30,604
--

5848
03:44:30,604 --> 03:44:31,605
>> may I ask, a clarifying question

5849
03:44:31,605 --> 03:44:32,606
please.

5850
03:44:32,606 --> 03:44:33,607
>>

5851
03:44:33,607 --> 03:44:34,608
sure.

5852
03:44:34,608 --> 03:44:36,608
>> so there are

5853
03:44:36,610 --> 03:44:39,100
ample trees separating you

5854
03:44:39,613 --> 03:44:41,615
from andy's, correct. Are you

5855
03:44:41,615 --> 03:44:43,617
refering to -- referring the light

5856
03:44:43,617 --> 03:44:44,618
tonight second floor.

5857
03:44:44,618 --> 03:44:45,619
>> yes. In the second

5858
03:44:45,619 --> 03:44:47,621
floor. And in between when

5859
03:44:47,621 --> 03:44:48,622
it's the fall season when the trees

5860
03:44:48,622 --> 03:44:51,622
are not full. At that

5861
03:44:51,625 --> 03:44:54,628
time, we also get on the

5862
03:44:54,628 --> 03:44:55,629
ground floor too.

5863
03:44:55,629 --> 03:44:57,629
>> thank you.

5864
03:44:57,631 --> 03:44:58,632
>> and I wanted

5865
03:44:58,632 --> 03:45:00,634
to add what commissioner patel was

5866
03:45:00,634 --> 03:45:03,604
saying about this entrance, that

5867
03:45:03,604 --> 03:45:05,606
was proposed in the new plan also. Just

5868
03:45:05,606 --> 03:45:06,607
like our neighbors were talking about

5869
03:45:06,607 --> 03:45:07,608
how that u

5870
03:45:07,608 --> 03:45:09,610
turn is avoided. And people trying

5871
03:45:09,610 --> 03:45:10,611
to come and trying to turn

5872
03:45:10,611 --> 03:45:12,613
back to sandy lake. That is going

5873
03:45:12,613 --> 03:45:14,613
to cause

5874
03:45:14,615 --> 03:45:15,616
a lot of commotion there too. Because

5875
03:45:15,616 --> 03:45:18,616
it's immediately they try to

5876
03:45:18,619 --> 03:45:21,622
go to the left most lane

5877
03:45:21,622 --> 03:45:24,625
to take the u turn. So do

5878
03:45:24,625 --> 03:45:26,625
please concern that

5879
03:45:27,628 --> 03:45:28,629
part which will cause accidents there,

5880
03:45:28,629 --> 03:45:32,829
definitely. And one of our neighborhood person

5881
03:45:33,634 --> 03:45:35,634
got into that

5882
03:45:36,603 --> 03:45:38,603
accident for a

5883
03:45:38,605 --> 03:45:39,606
u turn. So.

5884
03:45:39,606 --> 03:45:41,606
>> question to staff,

5885
03:45:42,609 --> 03:45:44,609
is

5886
03:45:45,612 --> 03:45:47,612
the, eastbound u

5887
03:45:48,615 --> 03:45:50,615
turn

5888
03:45:51,618 --> 03:45:54,618
legal at that left turn?

5889
03:45:54,621 --> 03:45:56,621
>> both ways

5890
03:45:57,624 --> 03:45:58,625
it's prevented.

5891
03:45:58,625 --> 03:45:59,626
>>

5892
03:45:59,626 --> 03:46:00,627
we'll bring down our traffic.

5893
03:46:00,627 --> 03:46:01,628
>> and

5894
03:46:01,628 --> 03:46:02,629
then, the trees that, because we're

5895
03:46:02,629 --> 03:46:03,630
just

5896
03:46:03,630 --> 03:46:06,630
going to be back behind

5897
03:46:06,633 --> 03:46:07,601
the building based on our location,

5898
03:46:07,601 --> 03:46:08,602
can

5899
03:46:08,602 --> 03:46:12,606
we ask for a higher thing which like what

5900
03:46:12,606 --> 03:46:13,607
they did on the

5901
03:46:13,607 --> 03:46:15,609
other side. Where it's mcdonalds and where

5902
03:46:15,609 --> 03:46:17,611
they build the high fence

5903
03:46:17,611 --> 03:46:21,615
so that it'll try to give us some

5904
03:46:21,615 --> 03:46:22,616
privacy in addition to the trees. So for

5905
03:46:22,616 --> 03:46:23,617
that,

5906
03:46:23,617 --> 03:46:24,618
especially those four houses I think

5907
03:46:24,618 --> 03:46:27,180
those will be the

5908
03:46:27,621 --> 03:46:29,623
main thing which is backing in

5909
03:46:29,623 --> 03:46:30,624
building. So if you can help, elevate and

5910
03:46:30,624 --> 03:46:32,624
add extra fencing

5911
03:46:33,627 --> 03:46:36,630
there to help us with some

5912
03:46:36,630 --> 03:46:38,630
privacy. That

5913
03:46:39,633 --> 03:46:41,602
will,

5914
03:46:41,602 --> 03:46:42,603
that's something that I wanted to

5915
03:46:42,603 --> 03:46:44,603
ask

5916
03:46:44,605 --> 03:46:45,606
for.

5917
03:46:45,606 --> 03:46:46,607
>> okay. >> but please do that entrance,

5918
03:46:46,607 --> 03:46:47,608
that's

5919
03:46:47,608 --> 03:46:48,609
definitely going to call for. If he

5920
03:46:48,609 --> 03:46:50,609
can move. But

5921
03:46:51,612 --> 03:46:53,612
he's told about

5922
03:46:54,615 --> 03:46:57,618
a fire or something. But if definitely

5923
03:46:57,618 --> 03:46:59,618
think about that

5924
03:46:59,620 --> 03:47:00,621
especially when our kids are driving

5925
03:47:00,621 --> 03:47:02,623
there. The high schoolers they

5926
03:47:02,623 --> 03:47:03,624
walk and they come into our community

5927
03:47:03,624 --> 03:47:05,624
and the next

5928
03:47:06,627 --> 03:47:07,628
community.

5929
03:47:07,628 --> 03:47:08,629
>> so we have kids shortcutting

5930
03:47:08,629 --> 03:47:09,630
through the neighborhood too. Walking

5931
03:47:09,630 --> 03:47:10,631
through the neighborhood too.

5932
03:47:10,631 --> 03:47:11,632
>> yes,

5933
03:47:11,632 --> 03:47:12,633
they

5934
03:47:12,633 --> 03:47:13,634
walk near the andy's and the next

5935
03:47:13,634 --> 03:47:15,602
signal they come around and that's how

5936
03:47:15,602 --> 03:47:16,603
they enter into our community and

5937
03:47:16,603 --> 03:47:18,603
to the

5938
03:47:18,605 --> 03:47:21,605
next community. That's how the

5939
03:47:21,608 --> 03:47:22,609
high schoolers they go on walking

5940
03:47:22,609 --> 03:47:23,610
by themselves or something.

5941
03:47:23,610 --> 03:47:24,611
>> okay

5942
03:47:24,611 --> 03:47:26,611
I do have

5943
03:47:26,613 --> 03:47:27,614
a follow up question for you. With

5944
03:47:27,614 --> 03:47:30,140
the conflict as on

5945
03:47:30,617 --> 03:47:33,620
the imagine to the right there's the

5946
03:47:33,620 --> 03:47:36,623
driveway. That's a little modified but it's

5947
03:47:36,623 --> 03:47:38,623
eliminating

5948
03:47:39,626 --> 03:47:42,629
the driveway off of arbor manor drive. To

5949
03:47:42,629 --> 03:47:45,632
reduce the number of conflict points

5950
03:47:45,632 --> 03:47:48,602
it would be better to go

5951
03:47:48,602 --> 03:47:50,602
to arbor

5952
03:47:51,605 --> 03:47:52,606
drive.

5953
03:47:52,606 --> 03:47:54,606
>> no, I

5954
03:47:54,608 --> 03:47:55,609
I have visitors that are coming always.

5955
03:47:55,609 --> 03:47:56,610
>>

5956
03:47:56,610 --> 03:47:57,611
okay.

5957
03:47:57,611 --> 03:47:58,612
>>

5958
03:47:58,612 --> 03:47:59,613
they just drive to plum. They don't

5959
03:47:59,613 --> 03:48:00,614
realize

5960
03:48:00,614 --> 03:48:01,615
they're inside a community. Especially

5961
03:48:01,615 --> 03:48:03,615
on our

5962
03:48:03,617 --> 03:48:04,618
road. They just speed in.

5963
03:48:04,618 --> 03:48:06,618
>> so

5964
03:48:06,620 --> 03:48:07,621
the new design separates that traffic. So

5965
03:48:07,621 --> 03:48:08,622
it's actually better.

5966
03:48:08,622 --> 03:48:09,623
>> yeah, it's

5967
03:48:09,623 --> 03:48:12,626
better but think of all the cars that

5968
03:48:12,626 --> 03:48:15,629
are trying to go to the left lane. That's all

5969
03:48:15,629 --> 03:48:17,629
I'm

5970
03:48:18,632 --> 03:48:19,633
trying to

5971
03:48:19,633 --> 03:48:20,634
point out.

5972
03:48:20,634 --> 03:48:21,602
>> got you. Thank you. >> you

5973
03:48:21,602 --> 03:48:22,603
must be.

5974
03:48:22,603 --> 03:48:24,603
>>

5975
03:48:24,605 --> 03:48:25,606
rahm.

5976
03:48:25,606 --> 03:48:27,606
>> yes. >> we're

5977
03:48:27,608 --> 03:48:29,610
a couple. So thanks for

5978
03:48:29,610 --> 03:48:30,611
your time. Listening to us. I'm just

5979
03:48:30,611 --> 03:48:32,611
going to

5980
03:48:33,614 --> 03:48:35,614
piggy back whatever

5981
03:48:36,617 --> 03:48:39,620
they talked about. I know this is

5982
03:48:39,620 --> 03:48:40,621
going to be a property already approved

5983
03:48:40,621 --> 03:48:42,623
for the business. But

5984
03:48:42,623 --> 03:48:44,623
I definitely would

5985
03:48:45,626 --> 03:48:46,627
like to oppose for any restaurants.

5986
03:48:46,627 --> 03:48:47,628
>>

5987
03:48:47,628 --> 03:48:48,629
say

5988
03:48:48,629 --> 03:48:49,630
that again.

5989
03:48:49,630 --> 03:48:50,631
>> restaurants. >> oh

5990
03:48:50,631 --> 03:48:51,632
yeah, restaurants.

5991
03:48:51,632 --> 03:48:52,633
>>

5992
03:48:52,633 --> 03:48:53,634
so definitely, you know. It's going

5993
03:48:53,634 --> 03:48:54,601
to be a problem. And

5994
03:48:54,601 --> 03:48:57,604
I believe they have a back, you know

5995
03:48:57,604 --> 03:49:01,204
on the side. Even though they

5996
03:49:01,608 --> 03:49:02,609
have a small door, but I'm

5997
03:49:02,609 --> 03:49:04,611
sure they have dumpsters on the side. I

5998
03:49:04,611 --> 03:49:06,611
know

5999
03:49:07,614 --> 03:49:08,615
I have seen some

6000
03:49:08,615 --> 03:49:10,617
other restaurants they keep the garbage

6001
03:49:10,617 --> 03:49:13,170
can outside. So I

6002
03:49:13,620 --> 03:49:15,622
don't know how we

6003
03:49:15,622 --> 03:49:16,623
can prevent that. Definitely keeping

6004
03:49:16,623 --> 03:49:19,230
the garbage outside. Sometimes

6005
03:49:19,626 --> 03:49:21,626
they keep

6006
03:49:21,628 --> 03:49:22,629
the garbage, back of the building near

6007
03:49:22,629 --> 03:49:23,630
to the door.

6008
03:49:23,630 --> 03:49:25,630
>> it

6009
03:49:25,632 --> 03:49:27,634
sounds like it's in

6010
03:49:27,634 --> 03:49:28,602
a better situation. We'll ask the

6011
03:49:28,602 --> 03:49:30,602
applicant. It

6012
03:49:31,605 --> 03:49:33,605
so --

6013
03:49:34,608 --> 03:49:37,800
sounds like it's in

6014
03:49:37,611 --> 03:49:39,613
a better location away from the residential.

6015
03:49:39,613 --> 03:49:40,614
but we'll ask them.

6016
03:49:40,614 --> 03:49:41,615
>> if you have

6017
03:49:41,615 --> 03:49:42,616
any restaurants and it's

6018
03:49:42,616 --> 03:49:43,617
going to impact the privacy and also

6019
03:49:43,617 --> 03:49:44,618
we

6020
03:49:44,618 --> 03:49:46,620
have seen, you know some flies and

6021
03:49:46,620 --> 03:49:47,621
bugs and that's

6022
03:49:47,621 --> 03:49:49,623
going to cause a problem. That's going

6023
03:49:49,623 --> 03:49:51,625
to and the other thing is

6024
03:49:51,625 --> 03:49:55,629
the property value is going to go

6025
03:49:55,629 --> 03:49:57,629
down. Definitely we

6026
03:49:57,631 --> 03:49:58,632
know because we had a green, you know

6027
03:49:58,632 --> 03:49:59,633
greener, so definitely it's going

6028
03:49:59,633 --> 03:50:03,604
to impact it and the property value

6029
03:50:03,604 --> 03:50:04,605
is going do go down. The other thing

6030
03:50:04,605 --> 03:50:06,605
is I

6031
03:50:07,608 --> 03:50:08,609
want

6032
03:50:08,609 --> 03:50:10,611
to raise a concern about the fence. Definitely

6033
03:50:10,611 --> 03:50:12,611
we need to

6034
03:50:12,613 --> 03:50:13,614
have some kind of solution so we can

6035
03:50:13,614 --> 03:50:15,614
have

6036
03:50:15,616 --> 03:50:16,617
some privacy. 6 feet is not going

6037
03:50:16,617 --> 03:50:18,617
to

6038
03:50:19,620 --> 03:50:22,623
be enough. Because there's definitely going

6039
03:50:22,623 --> 03:50:23,624
to be a lot of traffic.

6040
03:50:23,624 --> 03:50:24,625
>> okay. >>

6041
03:50:24,625 --> 03:50:25,626
thank you.

6042
03:50:25,626 --> 03:50:26,627
>> thank you very much. I

6043
03:50:26,627 --> 03:50:28,627
don't have

6044
03:50:28,629 --> 03:50:31,629
any other names signed up

6045
03:50:31,632 --> 03:50:34,601
but is there anyone else who

6046
03:50:34,601 --> 03:50:36,601
would like

6047
03:50:37,604 --> 03:50:38,605
to speak.

6048
03:50:38,605 --> 03:50:39,606
>> yes

6049
03:50:39,606 --> 03:50:40,607
>> my name is aten culcurney. I live

6050
03:50:40,607 --> 03:50:41,608
in

6051
03:50:41,608 --> 03:50:42,609
122 wild plum drive. The property

6052
03:50:42,609 --> 03:50:43,610
that's right behind this proposed

6053
03:50:43,610 --> 03:50:44,611
building. First I want

6054
03:50:44,611 --> 03:50:46,613
to thank you for allowing me to speak. I

6055
03:50:46,613 --> 03:50:49,616
came a little bit late and

6056
03:50:49,616 --> 03:50:50,617
I didn't get to

6057
03:50:50,617 --> 03:50:52,619
sign up for the speaking here. So,

6058
03:50:52,619 --> 03:50:55,622
I think my neighbors have spoken

6059
03:50:55,622 --> 03:50:58,625
about a few points so I won't

6060
03:50:58,625 --> 03:51:00,627
elaborate on those. What I would

6061
03:51:00,627 --> 03:51:01,628
like to talk about is slightly different. To

6062
03:51:01,628 --> 03:51:03,628
connect this with

6063
03:51:03,630 --> 03:51:07,230
our city's proposed master plan. You

6064
03:51:07,634 --> 03:51:10,340
know, I know that

6065
03:51:10,604 --> 03:51:11,605
the, property is this is zoned for commercial

6066
03:51:11,605 --> 03:51:12,606
use but having the right to build

6067
03:51:12,606 --> 03:51:13,607
doesn't necessarily mean they can build

6068
03:51:13,607 --> 03:51:15,607
the

6069
03:51:15,609 --> 03:51:16,610
way that it is planned because we would

6070
03:51:16,610 --> 03:51:18,610
like to see

6071
03:51:18,612 --> 03:51:22,616
being connected with the soul of the city's

6072
03:51:22,616 --> 03:51:25,619
master plan. See, I think you all

6073
03:51:25,619 --> 03:51:28,619
know this. Coppell our city

6074
03:51:28,622 --> 03:51:30,624
is more than 90% built out. So

6075
03:51:30,624 --> 03:51:31,625
our standards for building now must

6076
03:51:31,625 --> 03:51:34,628
be higher than what they used

6077
03:51:34,628 --> 03:51:36,628
to be 20 years

6078
03:51:37,631 --> 03:51:39,633
ago. We're no longer a growing suburb. We're

6079
03:51:39,633 --> 03:51:40,634
a mature community. The burden should

6080
03:51:40,634 --> 03:51:42,634
be on

6081
03:51:43,604 --> 03:51:46,604
the developers to prove that

6082
03:51:46,607 --> 03:51:49,700
the project enhances rather

6083
03:51:49,610 --> 03:51:51,612
than just build another genetic, commercial

6084
03:51:51,612 --> 03:51:55,212
building. Our tree preservation ordnance which

6085
03:51:55,616 --> 03:51:58,616
you folks know well, exists

6086
03:51:58,619 --> 03:52:00,619
precisely for

6087
03:52:01,622 --> 03:52:04,625
lots like this. It's not so

6088
03:52:04,625 --> 03:52:07,628
much about sort of, being fees

6089
03:52:07,628 --> 03:52:09,630
into the city's coffers

6090
03:52:09,630 --> 03:52:10,631
but it is about, critical zones and

6091
03:52:10,631 --> 03:52:12,631
ecological goals

6092
03:52:13,634 --> 03:52:14,601
that are in our 2040 plan. So I urge

6093
03:52:14,601 --> 03:52:15,602
this

6094
03:52:15,602 --> 03:52:16,603
commission to exercise its authority

6095
03:52:16,603 --> 03:52:19,606
to make a low impact development. We

6096
03:52:19,606 --> 03:52:20,607
should require the site plan that

6097
03:52:20,607 --> 03:52:22,607
preserves

6098
03:52:22,609 --> 03:52:25,612
most of the old grow trees

6099
03:52:25,612 --> 03:52:27,612
as a

6100
03:52:28,615 --> 03:52:30,615
key feature

6101
03:52:30,617 --> 03:52:34,621
rather than just clear cut and then

6102
03:52:34,621 --> 03:52:36,621
subsequently plant

6103
03:52:37,624 --> 03:52:38,625
smaller trees here and there. This

6104
03:52:38,625 --> 03:52:40,625
lost canopy

6105
03:52:40,627 --> 03:52:43,630
cannot be restored. This is the only

6106
03:52:43,630 --> 03:52:45,632
green space, this is the only

6107
03:52:45,632 --> 03:52:46,633
kind of something looks green in the entire

6108
03:52:46,633 --> 03:52:48,633
concrete jungle

6109
03:52:49,603 --> 03:52:51,603
that is around

6110
03:52:52,606 --> 03:52:54,606
us

6111
03:52:55,609 --> 03:52:58,609
and it's what is preserving

6112
03:52:58,612 --> 03:53:01,615
for the city's future plan. A high

6113
03:53:01,615 --> 03:53:03,615
intensity

6114
03:53:04,618 --> 03:53:06,618
restaurant, even if

6115
03:53:07,621 --> 03:53:09,623
it is a coffee

6116
03:53:09,623 --> 03:53:10,624
shop. And as my neighbor said, there's

6117
03:53:10,624 --> 03:53:13,624
coffee in every corner. Thankfully

6118
03:53:13,627 --> 03:53:16,630
it's not a fast food restaurant but

6119
03:53:16,630 --> 03:53:17,631
that's just one point. I think it's

6120
03:53:17,631 --> 03:53:19,631
just

6121
03:53:19,633 --> 03:53:21,602
creating this concrete island is a challenge. If the

6122
03:53:21,602 --> 03:53:22,603
commission approves this plan as it

6123
03:53:22,603 --> 03:53:24,603
is, then

6124
03:53:25,606 --> 03:53:28,609
I think we are signaling that the commercial

6125
03:53:28,609 --> 03:53:31,612
zoning rights are value that are in

6126
03:53:31,612 --> 03:53:34,120
our 2040 plan. So I

6127
03:53:34,615 --> 03:53:36,615
ask to send

6128
03:53:40,621 --> 03:53:43,210
this plan back to

6129
03:53:43,624 --> 03:53:45,624
the drawing

6130
03:53:47,628 --> 03:53:52,428
board. And keep trees as historic assets. So

6131
03:53:55,602 --> 03:53:57,604
in closing, retoring versus --

6132
03:53:57,604 --> 03:53:58,605
that you had opportunity to see around. And

6133
03:53:58,605 --> 03:54:00,605
there's plenty of

6134
03:54:00,607 --> 03:54:01,608
other retail spaces available that could

6135
03:54:01,608 --> 03:54:03,608
be used for

6136
03:54:04,611 --> 03:54:06,613
this purpose. And with this, I urge

6137
03:54:06,613 --> 03:54:07,614
you to deny this approval until a conservation

6138
03:54:07,614 --> 03:54:09,614
focus plan

6139
03:54:10,617 --> 03:54:11,618
is presented to you, thank you.

6140
03:54:11,618 --> 03:54:12,619
>>

6141
03:54:12,619 --> 03:54:13,620
thank you very much. Is there anybody

6142
03:54:13,620 --> 03:54:15,620
else

6143
03:54:16,623 --> 03:54:18,623
who would

6144
03:54:19,626 --> 03:54:22,629
like to speak on the application pro or

6145
03:54:22,629 --> 03:54:25,290
against. Seeing none, I'll

6146
03:54:25,632 --> 03:54:27,632
close the public

6147
03:54:28,602 --> 03:54:31,200
hearing. I would like

6148
03:54:31,605 --> 03:54:33,605
our

6149
03:54:37,611 --> 03:54:40,611
traffic engineer, mr. Baker, we

6150
03:54:54,628 --> 03:54:55,629
have some traffic questions.

6151
03:54:55,629 --> 03:54:56,630
>> based on

6152
03:54:56,630 --> 03:54:57,631
hearing

6153
03:54:57,631 --> 03:54:58,632
the comments this evening and the concerns. Do

6154
03:54:58,632 --> 03:55:00,632
you have any

6155
03:55:01,602 --> 03:55:03,602
concerns that need

6156
03:55:04,605 --> 03:55:07,608
to be evaluated with the proposed

6157
03:55:07,608 --> 03:55:08,609
application?

6158
03:55:08,609 --> 03:55:10,609
>> so they're

6159
03:55:10,611 --> 03:55:12,613
proposed driveway locations meeting

6160
03:55:12,613 --> 03:55:13,614
the ordnance requirement for the driveway

6161
03:55:13,614 --> 03:55:15,614
spacing. If they

6162
03:55:16,617 --> 03:55:17,618
wanted to look at moving it further

6163
03:55:17,618 --> 03:55:19,618
to

6164
03:55:19,620 --> 03:55:20,621
the west.

6165
03:55:20,621 --> 03:55:21,622
>> you're okay with that. >>

6166
03:55:21,622 --> 03:55:22,623
as long as

6167
03:55:22,623 --> 03:55:23,624
we can talk with the fire department

6168
03:55:23,624 --> 03:55:24,625
and see

6169
03:55:24,625 --> 03:55:26,627
if they're okay. I know they have

6170
03:55:26,627 --> 03:55:27,628
specific access requirements.

6171
03:55:27,628 --> 03:55:29,628
>>

6172
03:55:29,630 --> 03:55:30,631
what about some

6173
03:55:30,631 --> 03:55:32,633
measures to eliminate accessing that

6174
03:55:32,633 --> 03:55:34,633
left turn

6175
03:55:35,602 --> 03:55:38,602
lane. A raised, small raised

6176
03:55:38,605 --> 03:55:40,605
median or

6177
03:55:40,607 --> 03:55:43,607
something to eliminate the ability

6178
03:55:47,614 --> 03:55:49,614
to make

6179
03:55:49,616 --> 03:55:50,617
that maneuver?

6180
03:55:50,617 --> 03:55:51,618
>> not something we

6181
03:55:51,618 --> 03:55:52,619
have done much.

6182
03:55:52,619 --> 03:55:53,620
>> true, true. Are

6183
03:55:53,620 --> 03:55:56,200
there any with regards

6184
03:55:56,623 --> 03:55:58,625
to current traffic right now at that

6185
03:55:58,625 --> 03:55:59,626
intersection. Are there any concerns?

6186
03:55:59,626 --> 03:56:01,626
>>

6187
03:56:01,628 --> 03:56:03,630
I'm not aware of current concerns

6188
03:56:03,630 --> 03:56:04,631
there. We periodically look at different

6189
03:56:04,631 --> 03:56:07,310
intersections throughout the city

6190
03:56:08,602 --> 03:56:10,604
to see if any improvements or

6191
03:56:10,604 --> 03:56:11,605
anything would be warranted. I'm not

6192
03:56:11,605 --> 03:56:12,606
aware of looking

6193
03:56:12,606 --> 03:56:13,607
at this intersection currently.

6194
03:56:13,607 --> 03:56:14,608
>>

6195
03:56:14,608 --> 03:56:15,609
so as part of the site review we didn't

6196
03:56:15,609 --> 03:56:17,611
get a chance to see what operations

6197
03:56:17,611 --> 03:56:20,611
are to see, I know

6198
03:56:20,614 --> 03:56:22,616
for a fact and they're exactly

6199
03:56:22,616 --> 03:56:23,617
right. During the peak hour, there's heavy

6200
03:56:23,617 --> 03:56:25,617
westbound traffic

6201
03:56:26,620 --> 03:56:28,620
no question. There's

6202
03:56:29,623 --> 03:56:31,623
traffic coming

6203
03:56:31,625 --> 03:56:35,629
out of commercial so there's conflict. The

6204
03:56:35,629 --> 03:56:37,629
site, didn't meet

6205
03:56:39,633 --> 03:56:40,634
the triggers for an evaluation.

6206
03:56:40,634 --> 03:56:42,603
>>

6207
03:56:42,603 --> 03:56:43,604
correct.

6208
03:56:43,604 --> 03:56:44,605
>> correct. Okay. There might

6209
03:56:44,605 --> 03:56:45,606
be something we can look at the

6210
03:56:45,606 --> 03:56:46,607
intersection.

6211
03:56:46,607 --> 03:56:47,608
>> we can look at it

6212
03:56:47,608 --> 03:56:48,609
with our team.

6213
03:56:48,609 --> 03:56:50,609
>> it

6214
03:56:50,611 --> 03:56:51,612
sounds like there's already no u turn if

6215
03:56:51,612 --> 03:56:53,614
you're headed westbound. I think if

6216
03:56:53,614 --> 03:56:55,614
you made

6217
03:56:55,616 --> 03:56:56,617
no u turn eastbound also at that same friction point, people wouldn't

6218
03:56:56,617 --> 03:56:58,617
be

6219
03:56:58,619 --> 03:56:59,620
as eager to get out there and make

6220
03:56:59,620 --> 03:57:01,620
a u

6221
03:57:02,623 --> 03:57:04,623
turn. They

6222
03:57:05,626 --> 03:57:06,627
would go to the

6223
03:57:06,627 --> 03:57:07,628
other driveway. Just a thought.

6224
03:57:07,628 --> 03:57:08,629
>> yeah I

6225
03:57:08,629 --> 03:57:10,629
can see

6226
03:57:11,632 --> 03:57:13,634
all kinds of maneuvers for

6227
03:57:13,634 --> 03:57:14,635
that though. Yeah. Okay. Any questions of

6228
03:57:14,635 --> 03:57:16,603
our

6229
03:57:16,603 --> 03:57:17,604
traffic engineer, by the commission.

6230
03:57:17,604 --> 03:57:18,605
>>

6231
03:57:18,605 --> 03:57:19,606
yes. So

6232
03:57:19,606 --> 03:57:20,607
would a stoplight there be appropriate

6233
03:57:20,607 --> 03:57:22,607
in

6234
03:57:23,610 --> 03:57:25,610
your

6235
03:57:25,612 --> 03:57:26,613
mind's eye given all of the input

6236
03:57:26,613 --> 03:57:27,614
we received.

6237
03:57:27,614 --> 03:57:29,616
>> there's specific procedures for

6238
03:57:29,616 --> 03:57:32,160
that that would have

6239
03:57:32,619 --> 03:57:33,620
to be done. That hasn't been done

6240
03:57:33,620 --> 03:57:35,620
up

6241
03:57:35,622 --> 03:57:36,623
to this point.

6242
03:57:36,623 --> 03:57:37,624
>> in

6243
03:57:37,624 --> 03:57:38,625
your opinion, the amount of traffic that's

6244
03:57:38,625 --> 03:57:39,626
there would not

6245
03:57:39,626 --> 03:57:40,627
most likely require a stoplight, is

6246
03:57:40,627 --> 03:57:41,628
that what you're thinking.

6247
03:57:41,628 --> 03:57:42,629
>> no,

6248
03:57:42,629 --> 03:57:44,629
it

6249
03:57:44,631 --> 03:57:47,631
would have to be studied

6250
03:57:47,634 --> 03:57:49,603
to determine that. And

6251
03:57:49,603 --> 03:57:50,604
it hasn't currently been studied.

6252
03:57:50,604 --> 03:57:51,605
>>

6253
03:57:51,605 --> 03:57:52,606
yeah.

6254
03:57:52,606 --> 03:57:53,607
>>

6255
03:57:53,607 --> 03:57:54,608
if, and I agree. That this site may

6256
03:57:54,608 --> 03:57:56,608
not generate

6257
03:57:56,610 --> 03:57:59,613
the enough trips to trigger a traffic

6258
03:57:59,613 --> 03:58:01,615
evaluation. Especially since the

6259
03:58:01,615 --> 03:58:02,616
site is basically already been entitled

6260
03:58:02,616 --> 03:58:04,616
for

6261
03:58:05,619 --> 03:58:07,621
our previous zoning in 2007. But,

6262
03:58:07,621 --> 03:58:11,625
if there were a signal required who would

6263
03:58:11,625 --> 03:58:13,625
pay

6264
03:58:14,628 --> 03:58:16,628
for that? Would

6265
03:58:17,631 --> 03:58:18,632
this

6266
03:58:18,632 --> 03:58:20,634
site bare a portion of that? Probably

6267
03:58:20,634 --> 03:58:21,635
not, okay.

6268
03:58:21,635 --> 03:58:23,604
>> maybe let the cool

6269
03:58:23,604 --> 03:58:25,606
off the hook a little bit. But that's

6270
03:58:25,606 --> 03:58:26,607
such a major intersection. You can

6271
03:58:26,607 --> 03:58:28,607
make an

6272
03:58:29,610 --> 03:58:31,610
argument for multiple

6273
03:58:32,613 --> 03:58:34,613
lights on denton

6274
03:58:35,616 --> 03:58:38,616
tap, at trader joe's. On

6275
03:58:38,619 --> 03:58:39,620
tom thumb's side of

6276
03:58:39,620 --> 03:58:40,621
denton tap. It's, that's a much bigger.

6277
03:58:40,621 --> 03:58:41,622
>>

6278
03:58:41,622 --> 03:58:44,625
it's a bigger question. And I'm

6279
03:58:44,625 --> 03:58:45,626
sorry to put you on the spot.

6280
03:58:45,626 --> 03:58:46,627
>> not

6281
03:58:46,627 --> 03:58:47,628
at

6282
03:58:47,628 --> 03:58:48,629
all.

6283
03:58:48,629 --> 03:58:49,630
>> you have to learn sometime. So

6284
03:58:49,630 --> 03:58:50,631
it's

6285
03:58:50,631 --> 03:58:52,633
a learning experience for you

6286
03:58:52,633 --> 03:58:53,634
tonight. So. But yeah, it's a bigger question. And

6287
03:58:53,634 --> 03:58:55,602
to me

6288
03:58:55,602 --> 03:58:56,603
it seems like it would result in,

6289
03:58:56,603 --> 03:58:58,603
that's why

6290
03:58:58,605 --> 03:59:00,607
I was asking the applicant you know

6291
03:59:00,607 --> 03:59:02,609
they're basically right in, right

6292
03:59:02,609 --> 03:59:04,609
out and so

6293
03:59:05,612 --> 03:59:08,615
they're taking risk with the site there. But,

6294
03:59:08,615 --> 03:59:09,616
I'm not in favor of

6295
03:59:09,616 --> 03:59:11,618
more signals because signals are not

6296
03:59:11,618 --> 03:59:13,618
cheap. They're 400,000

6297
03:59:13,620 --> 03:59:14,621
plus and tying all those together

6298
03:59:14,621 --> 03:59:17,624
just makes it even more expensive. But

6299
03:59:17,624 --> 03:59:20,627
at the same time there are some conflict points that

6300
03:59:20,627 --> 03:59:22,629
I think we might be looking

6301
03:59:22,629 --> 03:59:23,630
at on this one. Okay, thank you cole.

6302
03:59:23,630 --> 03:59:25,630
>> yeah. >>

6303
03:59:26,633 --> 03:59:27,634
okay so the public hearing is closed. Discussion,

6304
03:59:27,634 --> 03:59:29,603
but before we get to the discussion

6305
03:59:29,603 --> 03:59:32,606
I had some questions for staff

6306
03:59:32,606 --> 03:59:35,606
if I can try to

6307
03:59:35,609 --> 03:59:37,609
remember

6308
03:59:38,612 --> 03:59:40,612
those. Is the

6309
03:59:40,614 --> 03:59:44,618
footprint the same, mary. Size wise. The previous

6310
03:59:44,618 --> 03:59:45,619
single, the previous two versus

6311
03:59:45,619 --> 03:59:47,621
this current single. Is it smaller

6312
03:59:47,621 --> 03:59:48,622
now than it was before.

6313
03:59:48,622 --> 03:59:49,623
>> I

6314
03:59:49,623 --> 03:59:50,624
don't think there was a size proposed

6315
03:59:50,624 --> 03:59:51,625
that I was able.

6316
03:59:51,625 --> 03:59:53,625
>> if

6317
03:59:53,627 --> 03:59:55,627
you can

6318
03:59:56,630 --> 03:59:59,630
visually put up that map.

6319
03:59:59,633 --> 04:00:01,633
it

6320
04:00:03,604 --> 04:00:08,404
just looks visually like it's smaller. Yeah. Maybe

6321
04:00:11,612 --> 04:00:13,612
it's even.

6322
04:00:14,615 --> 04:00:17,618
okay. And so it might be

6323
04:00:17,618 --> 04:00:20,180
a wash. Maybe it's

6324
04:00:20,621 --> 04:00:23,210
a wash. But, it's

6325
04:00:23,624 --> 04:00:25,624
still

6326
04:00:26,627 --> 04:00:29,627
entitled. Number two, the tree

6327
04:00:29,630 --> 04:00:32,300
ordnance. Three mitigation --I

6328
04:00:32,633 --> 04:00:34,633
know it's

6329
04:00:35,602 --> 04:00:37,602
not within

6330
04:00:41,608 --> 04:00:44,608
our purview. So keep that

6331
04:00:44,611 --> 04:00:46,611
in mind. And,

6332
04:00:50,617 --> 04:00:52,619
then I asked about

6333
04:00:52,619 --> 04:00:53,620
the traffic. Yes, restaurant. What

6334
04:00:53,620 --> 04:00:55,620
about scrubbers

6335
04:00:55,622 --> 04:00:56,623
for restaurant users. Is that a requirement.

6336
04:00:56,623 --> 04:00:57,624
>>

6337
04:00:57,624 --> 04:00:58,625
no.

6338
04:00:58,625 --> 04:00:59,626
>> I

6339
04:00:59,626 --> 04:01:02,629
know we've made some put some in off

6340
04:01:02,629 --> 04:01:03,630
of 121.

6341
04:01:03,630 --> 04:01:05,630
>>

6342
04:01:05,632 --> 04:01:08,602
we analyzed it so we

6343
04:01:08,602 --> 04:01:09,603
never did.

6344
04:01:09,603 --> 04:01:11,603
>>

6345
04:01:12,606 --> 04:01:16,206
okay, okay. Okay. If the applicant

6346
04:01:16,610 --> 04:01:17,611
could come up please. So I wanted to

6347
04:01:17,611 --> 04:01:19,611
capture

6348
04:01:19,613 --> 04:01:20,614
your thoughts on a couple of things. I

6349
04:01:20,614 --> 04:01:22,616
guess first of all. I do want to

6350
04:01:22,616 --> 04:01:23,617
commend, the plan you have done on

6351
04:01:23,617 --> 04:01:26,617
this site is a lot

6352
04:01:26,620 --> 04:01:28,622
better than what it was. So

6353
04:01:28,622 --> 04:01:32,222
y'all have done significant work on

6354
04:01:32,626 --> 04:01:34,628
this. If restaurant use is

6355
04:01:34,628 --> 04:01:35,629
on containening --containing smell. What

6356
04:01:35,629 --> 04:01:37,629
is

6357
04:01:38,632 --> 04:01:39,633
your thoughts on that.

6358
04:01:39,633 --> 04:01:41,633
>> I

6359
04:01:44,605 --> 04:01:45,606
don't, I think I have asked, there's

6360
04:01:45,606 --> 04:01:48,609
restaurants we're fine saying no. I

6361
04:01:48,609 --> 04:01:50,611
don't know if we

6362
04:01:50,611 --> 04:01:54,615
can document that. I don't know how

6363
04:01:54,615 --> 04:01:57,618
you do that within the, but

6364
04:01:57,618 --> 04:01:59,620
like, we understand that's

6365
04:01:59,620 --> 04:02:01,622
an important item. And we will certainly

6366
04:02:01,622 --> 04:02:02,623
be factoring that in. Because we would

6367
04:02:02,623 --> 04:02:05,626
rather get fewer calls than not. I

6368
04:02:05,626 --> 04:02:06,627
also would like to say that I've done

6369
04:02:06,627 --> 04:02:07,628
these

6370
04:02:07,628 --> 04:02:09,630
enough where I feel I always hear

6371
04:02:09,630 --> 04:02:11,630
about

6372
04:02:11,632 --> 04:02:14,635
how realtors lie to the residents. Next

6373
04:02:14,635 --> 04:02:15,602
to the people mixed commercial on. I

6374
04:02:15,602 --> 04:02:17,602
don't

6375
04:02:18,605 --> 04:02:20,605
know what

6376
04:02:21,608 --> 04:02:23,610
to do to that. I know this was

6377
04:02:23,610 --> 04:02:27,210
approved in 2007. But I've been to

6378
04:02:27,614 --> 04:02:29,614
a million meetings

6379
04:02:29,616 --> 04:02:30,617
where that comes up. It's unfortunate. I

6380
04:02:30,617 --> 04:02:31,618
hope

6381
04:02:31,618 --> 04:02:33,620
that the residents see that there's

6382
04:02:33,620 --> 04:02:34,621
a lot

6383
04:02:34,621 --> 04:02:36,623
of developers that could get this land

6384
04:02:36,623 --> 04:02:38,623
and do something

6385
04:02:39,626 --> 04:02:41,628
with. It's not something they

6386
04:02:41,628 --> 04:02:44,631
will ever be happy but it's the less

6387
04:02:44,631 --> 04:02:45,632
of undesirable outcomes. If there

6388
04:02:45,632 --> 04:02:46,633
was

6389
04:02:46,633 --> 04:02:48,602
a way within y'all's code we could

6390
04:02:48,602 --> 04:02:51,605
do that, I would be open

6391
04:02:51,605 --> 04:02:53,605
it. On

6392
04:02:54,608 --> 04:02:55,609
the sizing, I don't know

6393
04:02:55,609 --> 04:02:57,611
if it was two 100,000 square foot building

6394
04:02:57,611 --> 04:02:59,613
or two. I know we have

6395
04:02:59,613 --> 04:03:00,614
a max we have to stay below. I remember

6396
04:03:00,614 --> 04:03:01,615
us

6397
04:03:01,615 --> 04:03:04,618
pulling it smaller to meet that. But

6398
04:03:04,618 --> 04:03:06,620
I can't remember exactly. It's some

6399
04:03:06,620 --> 04:03:07,621
where in the plans.

6400
04:03:07,621 --> 04:03:09,621
>>

6401
04:03:09,623 --> 04:03:10,624
but you met the requirement.

6402
04:03:10,624 --> 04:03:12,624
>>

6403
04:03:12,626 --> 04:03:13,627
we're smaller is my point. But it's

6404
04:03:13,627 --> 04:03:14,628
15,000 or 16,000 I can't remember

6405
04:03:14,628 --> 04:03:15,629
exactly.

6406
04:03:15,629 --> 04:03:16,630
>> and then, thoughts on

6407
04:03:16,630 --> 04:03:17,631
some of

6408
04:03:17,631 --> 04:03:18,632
the fencing in the back. Is there

6409
04:03:18,632 --> 04:03:20,632
a

6410
04:03:20,634 --> 04:03:21,635
way that y'all could help.

6411
04:03:21,635 --> 04:03:22,603
>> so we

6412
04:03:22,603 --> 04:03:26,803
chose the trees because they're evergreen. And

6413
04:03:27,608 --> 04:03:29,610
this was, and matt was helpful with

6414
04:03:29,610 --> 04:03:30,611
this. We were trying to choose a tree

6415
04:03:30,611 --> 04:03:32,611
that would

6416
04:03:32,613 --> 04:03:33,614
grow from 20 to 30 feet. We were trying to

6417
04:03:33,614 --> 04:03:34,615
choose a tree that's

6418
04:03:34,615 --> 04:03:36,617
green throughout the year. I'm hoping

6419
04:03:36,617 --> 04:03:39,620
that will help not just with our

6420
04:03:39,620 --> 04:03:40,621
property but with the

6421
04:03:40,621 --> 04:03:44,221
sprouts and the andy's that won't

6422
04:03:45,626 --> 04:03:47,626
have,

6423
04:03:48,629 --> 04:03:50,629
like we're going

6424
04:03:50,631 --> 04:03:51,632
to be --to have shielding. We will

6425
04:03:51,632 --> 04:03:53,632
look at can

6426
04:03:53,634 --> 04:03:54,635
we throw on a few more trees in the back

6427
04:03:54,635 --> 04:03:56,603
too since

6428
04:03:56,603 --> 04:03:57,604
that seems to be the primary concern. The

6429
04:03:57,604 --> 04:04:00,607
fence isn't on our property. So I

6430
04:04:00,607 --> 04:04:01,608
don't know what we

6431
04:04:01,608 --> 04:04:02,609
can do with the fence.

6432
04:04:02,609 --> 04:04:03,610
>> that seg

6433
04:04:03,610 --> 04:04:05,612
ways into a similar question that

6434
04:04:05,612 --> 04:04:08,615
I have. I'm trying to envision here. And I

6435
04:04:08,615 --> 04:04:09,616
believe the front of the building

6436
04:04:09,616 --> 04:04:10,617
was 18 feet.

6437
04:04:10,617 --> 04:04:11,618
>> correct. >> so

6438
04:04:11,618 --> 04:04:12,619
there's a par pit on the front of

6439
04:04:12,619 --> 04:04:13,620
the building. I

6440
04:04:13,620 --> 04:04:15,622
heard some of the residents saying

6441
04:04:15,622 --> 04:04:17,624
they're already getting light from

6442
04:04:17,624 --> 04:04:18,625
across the street all the way from

6443
04:04:18,625 --> 04:04:20,625
andy's coming over

6444
04:04:20,627 --> 04:04:21,628
into their yard. I'm wondering what

6445
04:04:21,628 --> 04:04:23,628
the lighting on

6446
04:04:24,631 --> 04:04:27,631
the backside of the building

6447
04:04:27,634 --> 04:04:29,603
and the backside of that wall

6448
04:04:29,603 --> 04:04:30,604
because, by building an 18-foot parapit you're

6449
04:04:30,604 --> 04:04:32,604
essentially

6450
04:04:32,606 --> 04:04:33,607
building an 18-foot wall between them unless

6451
04:04:33,607 --> 04:04:35,607
you're radically lighting

6452
04:04:36,610 --> 04:04:37,611
the back of the building.

6453
04:04:37,611 --> 04:04:38,612
>> no

6454
04:04:38,612 --> 04:04:39,613
yeah. If you're saying that, our building,

6455
04:04:39,613 --> 04:04:41,613
so

6456
04:04:41,615 --> 04:04:42,616
what's interesting about the houses behind

6457
04:04:42,616 --> 04:04:44,616
us. They're

6458
04:04:44,618 --> 04:04:45,619
build on like, there's fill, they're built

6459
04:04:45,619 --> 04:04:47,619
a

6460
04:04:47,621 --> 04:04:48,622
little higher than they probably should

6461
04:04:48,622 --> 04:04:51,220
have. I don't know

6462
04:04:51,625 --> 04:04:52,626
if our building, you're asking

6463
04:04:52,626 --> 04:04:54,628
if our building will block the sprouts

6464
04:04:54,628 --> 04:04:57,280
sign from shining. I

6465
04:04:57,631 --> 04:05:00,634
don't know to be honest. My

6466
04:05:00,634 --> 04:05:03,604
hope is that, it won't be immediate

6467
04:05:03,604 --> 04:05:05,604
but we

6468
04:05:06,607 --> 04:05:09,700
chose specific trees that

6469
04:05:09,610 --> 04:05:11,612
will grow and then

6470
04:05:11,612 --> 04:05:12,613
eventually be taller than our building

6471
04:05:12,613 --> 04:05:13,614
and.

6472
04:05:13,614 --> 04:05:14,615
>> what

6473
04:05:14,615 --> 04:05:15,616
would be anticipated lights in the

6474
04:05:15,616 --> 04:05:16,617
back.

6475
04:05:16,617 --> 04:05:17,618
>> it'll be energy

6476
04:05:17,618 --> 04:05:18,619
building. The wall packs will be shielded

6477
04:05:18,619 --> 04:05:20,619
they will point

6478
04:05:20,621 --> 04:05:24,625
down so those won't be an issue. But

6479
04:05:24,625 --> 04:05:25,626
above the energy door you will see

6480
04:05:25,626 --> 04:05:26,627
the

6481
04:05:26,627 --> 04:05:27,628
emergency lighting. But we'll make

6482
04:05:27,628 --> 04:05:29,630
sure to use shields and like

6483
04:05:29,630 --> 04:05:30,631
I said, we'll meet the fire marshals

6484
04:05:30,631 --> 04:05:33,310
out there and say,

6485
04:05:33,634 --> 04:05:34,635
what is the lowest we can put

6486
04:05:34,635 --> 04:05:36,603
this to abide by code. Because you have

6487
04:05:36,603 --> 04:05:37,604
two

6488
04:05:37,604 --> 04:05:39,606
feet, foundation plus the six foot wall. So

6489
04:05:39,606 --> 04:05:41,608
that's eight feet. So my

6490
04:05:41,608 --> 04:05:42,609
hope is you can keep the emergency

6491
04:05:42,609 --> 04:05:44,611
lighting try to keep it, you

6492
04:05:44,611 --> 04:05:45,612
know like lower than the fence. I

6493
04:05:45,612 --> 04:05:48,120
don't know if we

6494
04:05:48,615 --> 04:05:50,617
can quite --if they will

6495
04:05:50,617 --> 04:05:51,618
let us we will. Like, yeah. So we

6496
04:05:51,618 --> 04:05:53,618
can, we

6497
04:05:53,620 --> 04:05:54,621
can keep all of our like the wall

6498
04:05:54,621 --> 04:05:56,621
packs

6499
04:05:57,624 --> 04:05:58,625
those we can keep it where the lights

6500
04:05:58,625 --> 04:06:00,625
point

6501
04:06:00,627 --> 04:06:02,627
down. Those won't

6502
04:06:03,630 --> 04:06:04,631
impact at all and they'll be shielded. It's

6503
04:06:04,631 --> 04:06:05,632
the

6504
04:06:05,632 --> 04:06:06,633
emergency lighting required by fire. That's

6505
04:06:06,633 --> 04:06:09,603
the only thing. But I

6506
04:06:09,603 --> 04:06:10,604
think compared to like sprouts or

6507
04:06:10,604 --> 04:06:11,605
andy

6508
04:06:11,605 --> 04:06:12,606
signs that's a much smaller.

6509
04:06:12,606 --> 04:06:13,607
>> and

6510
04:06:13,607 --> 04:06:14,608
it there wouldn't

6511
04:06:14,608 --> 04:06:15,609
be anything lighting the roof or the back

6512
04:06:15,609 --> 04:06:17,609
of the paraput

6513
04:06:18,612 --> 04:06:19,613
wall.

6514
04:06:19,613 --> 04:06:20,614
>> signage will be in

6515
04:06:20,614 --> 04:06:21,615
the front of the building only. That's

6516
04:06:21,615 --> 04:06:23,615
another

6517
04:06:24,618 --> 04:06:25,619
reason why flipping the building is helpful. Because

6518
04:06:25,619 --> 04:06:27,621
the building was flipped you would

6519
04:06:27,621 --> 04:06:30,210
have signage on both

6520
04:06:30,624 --> 04:06:32,624
sides and you

6521
04:06:32,626 --> 04:06:33,627
would have signage pointing at the resident

6522
04:06:33,627 --> 04:06:36,270
neighbors. We tried our

6523
04:06:36,630 --> 04:06:38,630
best to make

6524
04:06:38,632 --> 04:06:39,633
this within the box that we could.

6525
04:06:39,633 --> 04:06:40,634
>>

6526
04:06:40,634 --> 04:06:41,635
I was

6527
04:06:41,635 --> 04:06:42,603
thinking about some of the noise. You're

6528
04:06:42,603 --> 04:06:45,300
going to have hvac

6529
04:06:45,606 --> 04:06:46,607
on top. Is there any shielder to prevent

6530
04:06:46,607 --> 04:06:48,607
any of that

6531
04:06:48,609 --> 04:06:50,609
noise, since that

6532
04:06:51,612 --> 04:06:52,613
is there any way to do that?

6533
04:06:52,613 --> 04:06:54,613
>>

6534
04:06:54,615 --> 04:06:57,615
that so the tenants typically

6535
04:06:57,618 --> 04:06:58,619
handle that. I'm not sure if that's something when

6536
04:06:58,619 --> 04:07:00,619
the

6537
04:07:00,621 --> 04:07:02,623
tenants come in if that's something that

6538
04:07:02,623 --> 04:07:03,624
would be required of them. I don't know,

6539
04:07:03,624 --> 04:07:05,624
because we,

6540
04:07:06,627 --> 04:07:07,628
we don't put in the hvc. We don't

6541
04:07:07,628 --> 04:07:09,628
know

6542
04:07:09,630 --> 04:07:11,630
the tenant

6543
04:07:12,633 --> 04:07:14,633
or where

6544
04:07:15,602 --> 04:07:18,200
to put them. But

6545
04:07:18,605 --> 04:07:20,605
the tenants will

6546
04:07:21,608 --> 04:07:22,609
have their own issues.

6547
04:07:22,609 --> 04:07:24,609
>>

6548
04:07:24,611 --> 04:07:27,614
I would like for you to do something

6549
04:07:27,614 --> 04:07:28,615
for noise. Any ways you can help.

6550
04:07:28,615 --> 04:07:29,616
>>

6551
04:07:29,616 --> 04:07:30,617
hopefully you

6552
04:07:30,617 --> 04:07:31,618
have seen our plans and see that we're already

6553
04:07:31,618 --> 04:07:33,618
trying to do

6554
04:07:35,622 --> 04:07:36,623
that.

6555
04:07:36,623 --> 04:07:37,624
>> any other thoughts or comments

6556
04:07:37,624 --> 04:07:38,625
of the applicant.

6557
04:07:38,625 --> 04:07:39,626
>> based on

6558
04:07:39,626 --> 04:07:40,627
a couple of questions I think what will

6559
04:07:40,627 --> 04:07:42,627
be very

6560
04:07:42,629 --> 04:07:43,630
helpful is a scaled cross section. So

6561
04:07:43,630 --> 04:07:45,630
we can

6562
04:07:45,632 --> 04:07:47,634
see your description of the houses,

6563
04:07:47,634 --> 04:07:48,635
are a little bit higher. The wall

6564
04:07:48,635 --> 04:07:50,604
that exists is

6565
04:07:50,604 --> 04:07:51,605
on a 2-foot wall. If we had a cross

6566
04:07:51,605 --> 04:07:54,605
section that goes from sandy

6567
04:07:54,608 --> 04:07:57,611
lake on back, I think that would help

6568
04:07:57,611 --> 04:07:59,613
to visualize a lot better. I

6569
04:07:59,613 --> 04:08:00,614
think I can follow what you're describing. But

6570
04:08:00,614 --> 04:08:02,614
visually it's

6571
04:08:03,617 --> 04:08:05,619
hard to see. Are those houses elevated. Are

6572
04:08:05,619 --> 04:08:07,621
they lower. How is the wall? And I

6573
04:08:07,621 --> 04:08:08,622
know you can't

6574
04:08:08,622 --> 04:08:10,624
worry about across the street. But

6575
04:08:10,624 --> 04:08:11,625
then how do

6576
04:08:11,625 --> 04:08:13,627
the trees, you know, and any kind

6577
04:08:13,627 --> 04:08:15,627
of beef

6578
04:08:15,629 --> 04:08:19,633
up of the buffering in the back visually

6579
04:08:19,633 --> 04:08:20,634
screening will, I think will be

6580
04:08:20,634 --> 04:08:22,603
appreciated. But a cross section will really

6581
04:08:22,603 --> 04:08:24,603
help to

6582
04:08:24,605 --> 04:08:25,606
communicate that better so it's better understood.

6583
04:08:25,606 --> 04:08:26,607
>>

6584
04:08:26,607 --> 04:08:27,608
understood. It's good advice.

6585
04:08:27,608 --> 04:08:28,609
>>

6586
04:08:28,609 --> 04:08:29,610
I would just make the comment. It

6587
04:08:29,610 --> 04:08:31,610
seems like

6588
04:08:31,612 --> 04:08:33,614
you have a fairly

6589
04:08:33,614 --> 04:08:36,614
good representation of the neighborhood

6590
04:08:36,617 --> 04:08:37,618
here. I'm sure they have a homeowners

6591
04:08:37,618 --> 04:08:39,620
association that meet periodically. It

6592
04:08:39,620 --> 04:08:43,624
would be productive to make that connection

6593
04:08:43,624 --> 04:08:44,625
some where.

6594
04:08:44,625 --> 04:08:45,626
>> we've spoken to

6595
04:08:45,626 --> 04:08:46,627
their board. The association we reached

6596
04:08:46,627 --> 04:08:48,627
out to very

6597
04:08:49,630 --> 04:08:51,630
early

6598
04:08:52,633 --> 04:08:53,634
on that. We had met with

6599
04:08:53,634 --> 04:08:54,635
them once here.

6600
04:08:54,635 --> 04:08:55,602
>> thank you very

6601
04:08:55,602 --> 04:08:56,603
much.

6602
04:08:56,603 --> 04:08:58,603
>> thank

6603
04:08:58,605 --> 04:08:59,606
you.

6604
04:08:59,606 --> 04:09:00,607
>> so I would

6605
04:09:00,607 --> 04:09:01,608
like to adjust a few comments. Just

6606
04:09:01,608 --> 04:09:02,609
regarding this. All the

6607
04:09:02,609 --> 04:09:04,611
items you brought up that's all part

6608
04:09:04,611 --> 04:09:07,611
of the process. But the

6609
04:09:07,614 --> 04:09:10,617
one thing we have to remember,

6610
04:09:10,617 --> 04:09:12,619
this site was basically already

6611
04:09:12,619 --> 04:09:13,620
approved for commercial back in 07. So

6612
04:09:13,620 --> 04:09:15,620
they have

6613
04:09:15,622 --> 04:09:16,623
entitlements. We have to be very careful that

6614
04:09:16,623 --> 04:09:18,623
there's not

6615
04:09:19,626 --> 04:09:21,628
a taking. You know, I asked for

6616
04:09:21,628 --> 04:09:22,629
y'all to reflect a little bit. When

6617
04:09:22,629 --> 04:09:23,630
arbor manor

6618
04:09:23,630 --> 04:09:25,632
was approved for the residential dwelling units

6619
04:09:25,632 --> 04:09:28,320
there were a lot

6620
04:09:28,635 --> 04:09:30,604
of trees that

6621
04:09:30,604 --> 04:09:31,605
were taken out. A lot for those homes. So

6622
04:09:31,605 --> 04:09:33,605
to restrict

6623
04:09:33,607 --> 04:09:34,608
the ability for the site that's already

6624
04:09:34,608 --> 04:09:36,608
been approved

6625
04:09:37,611 --> 04:09:40,110
to develop because that's

6626
04:09:40,614 --> 04:09:42,616
a taking, and so

6627
04:09:42,616 --> 04:09:45,619
that would not be, not be well received. So,

6628
04:09:45,619 --> 04:09:46,620
and you guys have some great comments. I

6629
04:09:46,620 --> 04:09:48,620
totally

6630
04:09:48,622 --> 04:09:49,623
agree. There's going to be some conflictpoints. I

6631
04:09:49,623 --> 04:09:50,624
would

6632
04:09:50,624 --> 04:09:52,626
agree that through the development

6633
04:09:52,626 --> 04:09:54,628
process here. If it

6634
04:09:54,628 --> 04:09:55,629
gets past the pnz if there's the ability

6635
04:09:55,629 --> 04:09:56,630
to

6636
04:09:56,630 --> 04:09:58,632
perhaps move that driveway further

6637
04:09:58,632 --> 04:10:01,320
to the west a

6638
04:10:01,635 --> 04:10:02,603
little bit maybe to try to

6639
04:10:02,603 --> 04:10:03,604
limit or eliminate further conflict through

6640
04:10:03,604 --> 04:10:04,605
that meeting opening there. There could

6641
04:10:04,605 --> 04:10:05,606
be

6642
04:10:05,606 --> 04:10:09,610
an issue. I do agree with cole. Sorry I

6643
04:10:09,610 --> 04:10:10,611
put you on the spot there cole. That

6644
04:10:10,611 --> 04:10:13,110
you know, we may

6645
04:10:13,614 --> 04:10:16,617
take a look at that to see if there's any

6646
04:10:16,617 --> 04:10:17,618
ways to improve safety

6647
04:10:17,618 --> 04:10:19,620
if possible. But it hasn't been evaluated formally. I

6648
04:10:19,620 --> 04:10:22,620
was not aware of cut

6649
04:10:22,623 --> 04:10:24,625
through traffic but if

6650
04:10:24,625 --> 04:10:25,626
there's any ways for the hoa to under

6651
04:10:25,626 --> 04:10:27,628
take some measures to

6652
04:10:27,628 --> 04:10:28,629
try to reduce some things I would

6653
04:10:28,629 --> 04:10:30,629
be

6654
04:10:30,631 --> 04:10:34,635
all for that. But sorry that's really occurring. That's

6655
04:10:34,635 --> 04:10:35,636
the first time I've ever

6656
04:10:35,636 --> 04:10:37,604
heard of that one there. And, but

6657
04:10:37,604 --> 04:10:38,605
then I've got to

6658
04:10:38,605 --> 04:10:40,607
also reflect to the applicant, that they've

6659
04:10:40,607 --> 04:10:42,609
done a lot, a lot

6660
04:10:42,609 --> 04:10:43,610
on the site to really try to make it

6661
04:10:43,610 --> 04:10:45,610
better. And I

6662
04:10:46,613 --> 04:10:48,615
feel like they've done a lot of things

6663
04:10:48,615 --> 04:10:49,616
to actually make it better than what

6664
04:10:49,616 --> 04:10:52,160
was initially approved. So

6665
04:10:52,619 --> 04:10:55,190
those are just my

6666
04:10:55,622 --> 04:10:58,622
thoughts. Any other thoughts by

6667
04:11:01,628 --> 04:11:05,228
the commission? Okay is there a

6668
04:11:10,604 --> 04:11:13,604
motion by the commission? I

6669
04:11:13,607 --> 04:11:15,607
will

6670
04:11:19,613 --> 04:11:22,613
make a motion to approve

6671
04:11:22,616 --> 04:11:24,616
sandy lake

6672
04:11:31,625 --> 04:11:32,626
plot 1-a to lot 1 block a.

6673
04:11:32,626 --> 04:11:33,627
>> you

6674
04:11:33,627 --> 04:11:34,628
also

6675
04:11:34,628 --> 04:11:37,628
have the plat, if you

6676
04:11:37,631 --> 04:11:38,632
would include that.

6677
04:11:38,632 --> 04:11:39,633
>> and the replat. >> that

6678
04:11:39,633 --> 04:11:40,634
was

6679
04:11:40,634 --> 04:11:42,634
item 13 on

6680
04:11:43,604 --> 04:11:46,607
the agenda there. So we have a motion by commissioner

6681
04:11:46,607 --> 04:11:47,608
dobmeier is there a second.

6682
04:11:47,608 --> 04:11:49,608
>> I'll

6683
04:11:49,610 --> 04:11:50,611
second it.

6684
04:11:50,611 --> 04:11:52,611
>> we have

6685
04:11:52,613 --> 04:11:55,130
a second by commissioner

6686
04:11:55,616 --> 04:11:56,617
hafemann.

6687
04:11:56,617 --> 04:11:58,617
>> please respond by

6688
04:11:58,619 --> 04:11:59,620
saying aye or nae.

6689
04:11:59,620 --> 04:12:00,621
>>

6690
04:12:00,621 --> 04:12:01,622
commissioner dobmeier.

6691
04:12:01,622 --> 04:12:02,623
>> aye. >>

6692
04:12:02,623 --> 04:12:03,624
commissioner

6693
04:12:03,624 --> 04:12:04,625
blankenship.

6694
04:12:04,625 --> 04:12:05,626
>> aye. >> commissioner

6695
04:12:05,626 --> 04:12:06,627
the

6696
04:12:06,627 --> 04:12:07,628
haas.

6697
04:12:07,628 --> 04:12:08,629
>> aye. >> commissioner bishop. >>

6698
04:12:08,629 --> 04:12:09,630
aye.

6699
04:12:09,630 --> 04:12:10,631
>> all approve, none opposed. >>

6700
04:12:10,631 --> 04:12:11,632
thank you to the al

6701
04:12:11,632 --> 04:12:13,634
cant. -- applicant. Thank you for

6702
04:12:13,634 --> 04:12:15,634
the residents who

6703
04:12:16,603 --> 04:12:19,300
have provided input. This

6704
04:12:19,606 --> 04:12:21,606
must

6705
04:12:22,609 --> 04:12:24,609
still go through

6706
04:12:25,612 --> 04:12:28,612
the council. So --we did

6707
04:12:28,615 --> 04:12:31,150
meet in presession to

6708
04:12:31,618 --> 04:12:33,618
review those. I'm

6709
04:12:34,621 --> 04:12:35,622
going to pass that. Item

6710
04:12:35,622 --> 04:12:37,624
15 is adjournment. Unless there's

6711
04:12:37,624 --> 04:12:39,624
any other comments