[0:02] >>> good evening.
[0:05] this is the march
[0:06] 19th meeting of the planning and zoning
[0:07] commission. The time is 6:00. Our
[0:11] first order of business is to
[0:13] recess into work session while we
[0:14] review
[0:17] the cases and then we'll come out
[0:20] before you as a reconveneience of
[0:23] the general session at 6:30. So
[0:24] with that, I'll adjourn into the work session.
[1:50] >>> the
[1:53] time is
[1:55] 04, and we are convening into the
[1:56] work session. We'll
[1:59] start with chairman edmund
[2:02] haas and vice chair sue
[2:04] blankenship.
[2:05] >> present. >> ed maurer
[2:06] will
[2:08] be away today.
[2:11] john dobmeier, and
[2:14] kent hafemann.
[2:16] did I get it right?
[2:17] >> present. ?
[2:18] samit patel is not here. I understand
[2:20] he's on the way, but
[2:23] he's not here yet and cindy bishop.
[2:25] is she on the line?
[2:26] >> she'll be joining
[2:28] us virtually. Okay, mary, if you would
[2:29] introduce staff and then we'll
[2:32] read the
[2:35] cases? ? Sure. Senior
[2:38] planner, matt
[2:41] steer services administrator. [ inaudible ]
[2:47] she's a
[2:49] full engineer. He's graduated. Yeah.
[2:56] city attorney
[2:57] bob hager and miss katie mcgee, our secretary.
[3:02] >> all right.
[3:05] >> what do we have tonight?
[3:11] >> sure. So I'll
[3:14] let matt start.
[3:15] >> okay.
[3:17] yeah. Item number 6 is
[3:20] the benge legacy addition. They're
[3:23] basically demoing residents on southwestern
[3:25] slated for light industrial, zoned
[3:26] for light industrial. They're coming
[3:30] in with a light
[3:31] industrial style building. It's an
[3:34] office warehouse. 4900 square feet and
[3:35] they're meeting all of the requirements
[3:37] and it's straight site plan approval.
[3:39] so not much to.
[3:40] >> wow. >> okay. >> that's weird.
[3:43] >> is this one of those that used to
[3:44] be residential and it's just been
[3:48] hanging out there
[3:51] for a long time?
[3:52] >> correct. And the next case is the minor
[3:53] plat for that property, and in order
[3:54] to
[3:56] get a building permit they need to
[3:57] know
[3:59] it's platted. [ inaudible ]
[4:00] >> that
[4:01] was a very --
[4:03] no.
[4:04] >> just checking. >>
[4:05] and then mary's got the next.
[4:06] >> saving
[4:07] that
[4:09] for me. So
[4:12] item number 8 is --
[4:14] takes place at 145 west town center.
[4:15] it
[4:18] used to be a children's
[4:20] courtyard. So it's one lot, two buildings
[4:21] and two
[4:24] children's courtyards. One is there still.
[4:27] the one on the west end is proposed
[4:30] to convert to a doggie
[4:34] daycare center essentially and we'll
[4:36] convert it to play grounds and convert
[4:39] the inside to play areas,
[4:41] grooming areas as well as kennelling
[4:42] for
[4:45] overnight stays. So
[4:48] we'll have up
[4:51] to 71.
[4:52] >>
[4:54] any comparison
[4:57] with what camp bow wow had? No?
[5:00] >> I don't know. I'm sorry. >>
[5:03] that's all right. So we are
[5:06] asking them to --there are chain
[5:07] link fences right now like on the
[5:09] north and
[5:11] south sides. So we're asking them
[5:12] to --
[5:13] because they were just going to keep
[5:15] it and then replace,
[5:18] like, the vinyl or the fabric mesh
[5:19] stuff that goes on there. We told
[5:21] them
[5:24] we want to see more fence. So I think
[5:26] they'll keep the chain link, but put
[5:27] a board on
[5:28] board fence on the south side, and on
[5:30] the west end there is
[5:32] an existing break wall. So that will
[5:33] remain and
[5:35] the building will act as the other
[5:36] screen on the east.
[5:41] so they share a parking lot. They share
[5:42] a
[5:45] parking. There are about 57 --
[5:48] 55 parking spaces. They're
[5:51] going to share a dumpster,
[5:53] the proposal assigned which complies.
[5:56] landscaping, no real changes other than
[5:57] we ask
[6:00] them to go through and show them the
[6:02] original landscape plan just to go
[6:03] through and see if,
[6:06] you know, over time stuff dies to
[6:07] go
[6:09] back in other places and
[6:12] that is the condition. This one is
[6:14] one of the itemsitems where we did get
[6:18] a petition from neighbors
[6:21] who are in opposition of it.
[6:22] >> do
[6:23] you
[6:24] want me to pass these down?
[6:25] >> yeah.
[6:27] so
[6:29] I've made, like, a summary of the names
[6:30] and
[6:33] their concerns.
[6:36] essentially it's noise, traffic,
[6:38] odor, sanitation, quality of life,
[6:39] decrease in
[6:42] property values, and I have the actual
[6:44] ones here if you guys want to take
[6:45] a look
[6:48] at that.
[6:51] >> so traffic --their concern
[6:53] is more traffic over a day care?
[6:54] >> yeah.
[7:03] >> that's yours.
[7:09] [ inaudible ]
[7:15] >> these
[7:18] addressesaddresses within the
[7:21] 200 beats. So there should
[7:23] be a checklist there that show you
[7:24] between the 200
[7:26] feet or the 800 feet. So the orange,
[7:27] if they sign
[7:30] a petition and then the red
[7:33] is if they're within
[7:36] 200 feet. Sorry.
[7:39] but a 200-foot column
[7:42] and they signed the petition and sent
[7:44] him a letter and I tried toto check of
[7:48] the boxes there. There
[7:51] were some additional petitions, but
[7:54] they just sent me, like, you
[7:57] know when
[8:00] they send someone an email and it's
[8:06] expand it and it's pixelated
[8:08] and that's what I got. I got a hold
[8:09] of someone who will send me the
[8:12] actual papers because
[8:15] I couldn't read.
[8:16] >> someone copy/pasted
[8:17] something. That's usually what happens when
[8:18] it gets pixelated like
[8:21] that.
[8:22] >> yeah. >> between platforms.
[8:24] >> so in terms
[8:27] of
[8:29] conditions, the only condition was
[8:30] landscaping
[8:33] on our side.
[8:36] one thing you may want to ask is
[8:39] in terms
[8:42] of time --
[8:44] operation time and time when you have
[8:46] the dogs outside
[8:49] so they don't go --you know, up
[8:51] to midnight. And how they deal with waste.
[8:54] so there is a dumpster and they plan
[8:55] to
[8:57] empty it.
[8:58] >> double bag it. If double
[8:59] bag it.
[9:01] >> just like
[9:03] diapers, right? I know camp bow wow,
[9:04] I
[9:05] think they're open until 7:00 and
[9:10] then
[9:13] dogtopia is open until 10:00.
[9:16] >> I
[9:19] said I --[ inaudible ]
[9:20] >>
[9:21] there's another one right up here.
[9:22] >> they close
[9:25] at 7:00. That might be this. Dog day out.
[9:27] dog's day out? Something like that.
[9:28] it's
[9:31] right up here by all
[9:33] the liquor stores. [ laughter ]
[9:34] >>
[9:35] right next
[9:36] door to the liquor store? You know
[9:37] that area well.
[9:40] >> I do, indeed. >> he's got a dog
[9:41] in there.
[9:42] >> they're the only ones
[9:43] that can cut my
[9:45] dog's nails. I won't do it.
[9:46] >> what's
[9:47] going
[9:49] on behind? There's a
[9:52] residential neighborhood. Right
[9:54] behind it, what is that in is that
[9:55] an
[9:57] oversized garage? Is that part of
[9:58] that same lot?
[10:00] >> the montessori academy? >> no,
[10:03] no, no. Behind it. To the west.
[10:04] >>
[10:05] oh, to
[10:07] that tied to that one
[10:09] residential lot? I couldn't tell if it
[10:10] was or not
[10:13] when I
[10:16] drove it. It would be right over
[10:17] here. It would be right this structure
[10:19] right
[10:21] there because this is the house. At
[10:22] first I thought it
[10:25] was some
[10:27] kind of lift station or something.
[10:28] >>
[10:31] think it's just a big wall for
[10:34] a house because on the --
[10:36] >> I'll pull it up. You guys move
[10:37] on or
[10:40] go on.
[10:41] >> it's just a house.
[10:43] a big lot.
[10:44] >> yeah. There's a house
[10:45] and an oversized garage there or something.
[10:46] okay.
[10:49] >> okay. So I'm going to keep
[10:52] trucking along here.
[10:55] next item is item 9,
[10:56] samaritan's purse.
[10:57] >> on the last
[10:58] one, did you guys want to
[11:00] do that one first or no?
[11:01] >> okay.
[11:04] >> gotcha. >> so item 9
[11:07] is samaritan's purse, back in 2018,
[11:10] if you recall, they bought
[11:13] a piece of
[11:16] land from fellowship church and
[11:18] constructed an office warehouse building.
[11:19] so essentially
[11:22] they use that their main --like
[11:24] in november when they have people
[11:25] come in and they
[11:28] do the boxes that they hand out and distribute.
[11:31] so since then, they've
[11:34] been looking for an
[11:37] areaarea build for their I.t.
[11:40] people. So we've been working
[11:42] withwith and what they're proposing
[11:43] is they're going to
[11:45] take out a piece of the parking lot
[11:46] that's to the
[11:49] north, build a three-story building
[11:50] and
[11:52] then they're buying a portion of
[11:54] land to the south that's just in front of
[11:55] the
[11:57] gas wall and make up for the parking
[11:58] that
[12:01] they're taking out. So it will
[12:04] be a
[12:07] three-story, first floor
[12:10] for, like,
[12:13] for staff. The large break room, staff
[12:15] devotions, guest training and second
[12:16] floor for their
[12:18] I.t. People and the third floor is
[12:19] for
[12:22] future growth. So the building will
[12:23] be
[12:25] mainly brick. Two different
[12:28] types with some stucco.
[12:29] they're showing a sign on the building,
[12:31] but that's
[12:34] for illustrative purposes.
[12:35] >> stucco --
[12:37] 20%?
[12:38] >> that's
[12:39] an old --[ inaudible ] [ laughter ]
[12:40] >> we used
[12:43] to do that. Efis?
[12:46] we're not doing efis here.
[12:48] >> like I said they're taking trees
[12:49] out for the south
[12:51] and they are asking for a waiver of
[12:52] the
[12:54] tree fees and that will be going to
[12:55] city council
[12:58] as
[13:01] part of their
[13:02] dus correction. Discussion.
[13:03] >> based
[13:04] on what?
[13:05] >> because they're
[13:07] good samaritans. Because they're
[13:09] nonprofit. I've done the christmas boxes.
[13:10] we've
[13:12] been doing it for the last five years.
[13:13] it is an
[13:16] incredible event. It really is.
[13:17] >> there
[13:18] are people from all
[13:19] over the country.
[13:20] >> it
[13:21] doesn't mean they can't comply with
[13:22] our
[13:24] requirements.
[13:25] >> that's something council can
[13:26] look at. Council
[13:28] did not approve the permit the last
[13:29] time when they
[13:31] built the
[13:33] building.
[13:34] >> how much are their fees?
[13:35] we are
[13:36] still working on that and somewhere in the
[13:37] range of
[13:40] 200,000. Somewhere
[13:42] around there. We're still finalizing
[13:43] numbers. So the
[13:44] building --they're building the new
[13:46] building and they'll have a
[13:48] little outdoor area with a pergola and that's
[13:49] what they're planning on doing.
[13:55] there were no letters
[13:58] in opposition. So it's pretty standard
[14:01] comments, additional
[14:04] comments
[14:07] for review.
[14:10] these
[14:13] the project plant --we are
[14:16] requesting for staff to administratively
[14:18] approve any change in landscaping,
[14:19] because there is
[14:22] a big 30-foot gas easement that
[14:25] runs along the creek view, just if
[14:26] we need
[14:28] to maneuver and get the trees on the
[14:29] outside
[14:31] of that easement. One other thing is
[14:33] they did turn in some information for
[14:34] the
[14:37] downstream drainage.
[14:38] so they're still working with coal
[14:43] on finalizing those documents.
[14:46] >> is there a concern? [ inaudible ]
[14:59] >> okay.
[15:05] >> the outside is related
[15:08] to how the calculations were
[15:10] for --not related to this project
[15:14] and it's related to another
[15:17] one. There is a
[15:20] required percentage of site for
[15:22] green space, but then the required
[15:26] number of trees they've
[15:29] calculated based on what
[15:31] is required of the site not of what
[15:33] they've actually provided and I've
[15:35] always
[15:38] understood that it's
[15:41] 10% --or 1x% of
[15:43] whatever is provided and not necessarily what
[15:44] is
[15:45] originally required of this site if
[15:47] that
[15:49] makes sense? So the site required,
[15:50] and
[15:51] I'm just pulling numbers, 400 square
[15:54] feet of green space.
[15:55] >> is that non-
[15:56] vehicular landscaping?
[15:58] >> non-vehicular landscaping. >> okay.
[15:59] and only
[16:02] two trees were required
[16:05] based on that 4 00, but
[16:08] they've actually provided
[16:11] 2400 square feet, falling
[16:14] back to only two were
[16:17] required because that's
[16:20] what's required of the 4 00, but I
[16:22] forget what the percentage is and it's
[16:23] not calculated from
[16:26] the 24.
[16:27] >> what case are you
[16:32] referring to?
[16:33] >>
[16:35] the
[16:38] samaritan's purse --
[16:41] >> sorry.
[16:42] >> sorry I'm late, but a procedural
[16:44] question, and again,
[16:46] I don't know if I should ask it in here
[16:47] or out there
[16:50] how it's calculated. I've
[16:53] always done it that if I'm
[16:55] provided 2400 --
[16:56] >> we can double-
[16:57] check any just make sure,
[16:59] you know? I'll pull up the
[17:01] landscape summary table and they were
[17:02] willing to
[17:04] add some additional landscaping right next to
[17:05] the building
[17:08] which qualifies non-vehicular
[17:09] landscaping, and they were still working
[17:11] through whether or not to pave that
[17:12] area where the generator was going to
[17:14] be
[17:16] located.
[17:17] >> yeah. >> so I think that's
[17:18] where they can provide that.
[17:19] >> yeah. We'll take another look.
[17:20] >> yeah. No worries.
[17:23] so
[17:25] item 10 is essentially the plat for
[17:26] that
[17:29] where they're
[17:30] taking that bit to the south adding to
[17:32] the existing lot and
[17:33] then platting the rest of it as a separate lot.
[17:41] and then
[17:44] item 11?
[17:45] >> okay. So that's the
[17:46] 767 west main. That's the mixed use
[17:47] development down
[17:50] in old town right across the
[17:52] street from the old town plaza, the
[17:53] open
[17:56] space down there.
[17:59] so
[18:02] in august 2022 we approved
[18:04] the mixed-use project that had residential on the
[18:07] second floor and then retail on the
[18:11] first floor. They came
[18:14] back in 2023. You guys remember the
[18:17] dumpster case where it was too close?
[18:20] >> yeah. >> well, so they
[18:22] added restaurant uses to be allowed on
[18:23] the
[18:24] first floor. So what they're doing
[18:26] this time is they're coming
[18:29] back and they haven't been
[18:31] successful marketing to a restaurant
[18:32] or retail users
[18:34] and they're proposing professional
[18:35] office or medical office
[18:38] uses, and
[18:41] so in order to
[18:44] create an active, old town
[18:47] main street area down there we
[18:50] need retail or restaurant uses that
[18:51] are
[18:53] open in the evenings and on the weekends,
[18:54] and
[18:56] this, if they do medical office
[18:59] or professional office probably wouldn't
[19:02] be, and so --you know,
[19:05] our recommendation is
[19:08] for denial. So --
[19:11] that's what it is.
[19:14] >> is there a requirement around the
[19:15] retail to
[19:17] be open? Like the farmers market is
[19:18] open
[19:20] saturday
[19:23] morning
[19:26] and --
[19:29] we've not stipulated hours
[19:31] of operation for those businesses.
[19:32] >> it seems like
[19:35] a missed opportunity.
[19:36] >> here's the letter requesting the rezoning.
[19:44] so,
[19:46] anyway, that's what it is. You don't have
[19:50] to
[19:53] approve it. So --
[19:54] >>
[19:55] question, though. If a professional
[19:56] office or medical
[19:59] office were allowed to
[20:02] go in, the parking requirement is stricter.
[20:03] >>
[20:05] no, it's not stricter because
[20:08] it's already platted for
[20:11] restaurant.
[20:12] >> one to one for medical
[20:14] office.
[20:15] >> okay. >> so, yeah, we did
[20:16] look
[20:17] through that. It's just the argument's
[20:18] going to be is
[20:20] the other
[20:22] uses around this property are changing,
[20:23] right?
[20:26] so we've had summer which changed
[20:29] to dodi's which was restaurant use
[20:32] which then changed to tangerine salon which
[20:33] is a
[20:36] personal service or kind of
[20:39] a retail type --but
[20:40] then the property to the south of
[20:42] her is just a professional
[20:44] office that is probably only open on
[20:45] the
[20:48] weekdays from 8:00 to 5:00 and it's
[20:51] an investment --money
[20:52] matters, I think, is the name of it.
[20:54] then there's
[20:56] another business on that same size
[20:57] are side.
[21:00] >> a cupcake place -->> cupcake
[21:03] is in her --
[21:04] >> space.
[21:06] >> the arts and
[21:09] cakery and
[21:10] then shine directly in the building
[21:12] north and that's
[21:13] a mixed-use development so that's
[21:15] retail and them north of that
[21:17] is another financial place which is
[21:19] a professional office. So I think
[21:21] the argument's going
[21:23] to be these other people are changing,
[21:24] why
[21:27] won't you let me? And so, specifically,
[21:29] when we wrote this mixed use development
[21:30] we wanted
[21:33] to activate the area. So we
[21:35] wrote retail on the first floor. So
[21:38] that's why we can't support. We as in staff.
[21:45] that concludes my
[21:51] remarks. [ laughter ] is it a
[21:53] zoning request change. So it's just
[21:54] to add those
[21:56] two additional uses. She would still
[21:57] market it
[21:59] as retail or restaurant, but she would
[22:02] also be available to market it as to those other
[22:03] folks.
[22:12] item number 12 is the shops
[22:14] at sandy lake. So this is the piece
[22:15] that
[22:18] is on sandy
[22:21] lake just
[22:24] north upon
[22:26] manor and express. So this was part
[22:30] of an original 29-
[22:31] acre development where everything kind
[22:33] of along sandy lake
[22:36] was some kind of
[22:38] commercial owe retail and then in
[22:39] from
[22:42] that was arbor
[22:45] manor's 73-year --whatever,
[22:47] residential lot. So this is essentially
[22:48] the last
[22:51] commercial piece to be
[22:54] developed. So originally,
[22:57] the plan showed
[23:00] two buildings on sandy lake with
[23:03] parking in the back backing up
[23:05] to the residential. What they're proposing
[23:06] is
[23:08] the building towards the back with
[23:09] the
[23:11] majority of the parking out front.
[23:15] so trying to take that parking lot to the
[23:18] front towards the
[23:20] street versus back where the residential
[23:21] stuff is.
[23:23] in addition, kind of the differences
[23:24] I'm going
[23:27] to point out on screen is that
[23:30] the original p.d. Showed not only
[23:32] an entrance off of sandy lake, but
[23:33] also a
[23:36] drive out to the
[23:39] hoa lot. Arbor manor has
[23:41] an entrance or exit out there. So
[23:42] what they're proposing
[23:45] is they're going
[23:47] to share the drive that exists like on
[23:48] the
[23:50] verizon building next door, and then
[23:54] have another entrance/exit out
[23:57] front on sandy lake with no connection to
[24:00] the hoa lot. So those are
[24:02] kind of, like, the bigger differences.
[24:03] and
[24:06] there's an
[24:08] existing brick wall that arbor manor
[24:09] has for
[24:12] those houses in that area. One of the other
[24:13] things
[24:15] when we
[24:17] talked to them because originally they
[24:18] had their trash
[24:20] cans at the back, right? So we're
[24:21] told no,
[24:24] you need to move them off
[24:27] further into the parking lot
[24:30] or something, but like, off of the
[24:31] residential because we know that will
[24:33] be an issue. So this one is one
[24:36] building with a patio. They're looking
[24:39] at retail, medical and restaurant uses.
[24:40] one of
[24:42] the conditions is like the patio
[24:45] is only 555 square feet, but that
[24:46] we
[24:48] include that as part of their
[24:50] parking as we've done with other restaurants.
[24:51] so
[24:53] we're hoping to change that in an
[24:54] ordinance where we
[24:57] don't have to ask it as a condition
[25:00] anymore, but anything over 500
[25:03] you have to park.
[25:06] one of the other things that we're
[25:07] looking at with
[25:09] this one is we
[25:12] ask them
[25:15] to put
[25:17] additional screening or vegetation in
[25:18] the
[25:21] back.
[25:24] so they're planting trees, shrubs,
[25:26] whatever they may be, really closer
[25:27] to where the parking lot
[25:30] hit the --the
[25:33] back end of the lot to act
[25:35] as an additional screening device
[25:36] and along with the
[25:39] screening while it's there. They're trying
[25:40] to
[25:42] save trees along
[25:45] the eastern side where it kind of
[25:46] lines with
[25:48] the entryway,
[25:50] but essentially, you know, they'll
[25:51] be planting other
[25:54] trees within the site and
[25:57] the majority of trees that are
[26:00] there will be gone.
[26:03] this one also had a
[26:06] lot of people
[26:09] sending notices. So we sent out
[26:12] 26 within 200 feet and we got ten
[26:13] back
[26:15] in opposition and another
[26:18] 120 courtesy notices and we got five
[26:19] back
[26:21] in
[26:24] opposition. Essentially,
[26:27] here's the other one.
[26:30] the concernsconcerns traffic and
[26:33] they're saying that it's hard to turn in and
[26:36] out of
[26:40] sandy lake. Loss of green space.
[26:43] quality of life, noise.
[26:46] >>
[26:49] one more?
[26:50] >> sorry.
[26:51] lots of paper tonight, and if you
[26:52] want to
[26:55] see the actual notices, I've got
[26:58] them here. We can hand
[27:00] them out. Essentially the conditions
[27:04] that we're looking for
[27:07] is for the 500
[27:09] square feet patio area that they'll have to update the
[27:13] drainage analysis toto
[27:15] staff comments. Any signage that they're
[27:17] proposing, they just have a monument
[27:19] sign, but any
[27:22] wall sign would have to do with
[27:25] city requirements and
[27:28] they have to
[27:31] make a --[ inaudible ]
[27:32] >> so
[27:33] it's already going in the p.d. As a
[27:34] commercial lot.
[27:36] >> right. Originally, they had two
[27:37] buildings and they're going
[27:38] with one building and kind of doing
[27:40] a flip-flop of
[27:41] what's there and it's the restaurant --
[27:43] >> the
[27:45] argument, the loss of green space, they
[27:48] can build it in green space anyway.
[27:49] >>
[27:52] they're already entitled.
[27:53] >>
[27:54] they're already entitled.
[27:55] >> yes.
[27:56] how long will it affect the
[27:58] quality of life?
[28:01] it's zoned or any nuances
[28:04] to their request.
[28:06] >> right. So --you understand that.
[28:09] I understand understand that, but
[28:10] when you
[28:11] see green space that's there and you
[28:13] move in,
[28:15] and you've been living there and now
[28:16] all of
[28:19] a suddensudden sign goes up --
[28:20] >>
[28:22] and the hoa is proposing to buy
[28:25] it so they can keep the green space?
[28:28] >> not
[28:31] to my knowledge.
[28:34] [ laughter ]
[28:35] >> this is fairly common,
[28:36] so --
[28:37] >> I'm just verifying. >> yeah.
[28:40] if you read some of the
[28:43] stuff it's spot zoning. It's not
[28:45] spot zoning. It's already been planned
[28:46] for
[28:48] that. [ inaudible ]
[28:49] >> so they're
[28:50] just coming in
[28:51] with a detailed plan to show you what
[28:52] they want to do.
[28:53] >> right.
[28:55] >> and they're adding restaurant use,
[28:58] what they want to do. So --
[29:01] >> when 151 came in --
[29:03] >> no drive through. >> there were
[29:04] the
[29:05] same arguments about the removal of
[29:07] the trees. Earn seems to
[29:10] forget that the removal of the trees for
[29:11] the
[29:13] development itself.
[29:14] >> right. >> the
[29:15] whole
[29:16] thing was --
[29:17] >> green space. >> it was heavily wooded.
[29:18] yeah.
[29:22] >> allall right. I do have a concern
[29:25] about
[29:27] increased traffic. We want to avoid
[29:28] cars making left turns.
[29:31] >> there's a
[29:33] left-turn bay.
[29:34] >> I'm around there
[29:37] all of the time
[29:39] because sprouts is on the other side.
[29:40] I
[29:42] appreciate them coming over to the
[29:43] verizon
[29:44] bank because that's where the curb
[29:46] cut is, and you'll
[29:48] be able to make a left turn.
[29:49] >> yeah.
[29:50] >> I know it
[29:52] can be a lot --
[29:53] >> increased. >> there
[29:54] will be a lot of people trying to go
[29:55] all of the
[29:56] way across into the turn lane to make a u-turn.
[30:01] >> yeah. Yeah. >>
[30:04] so
[30:06] that's goinggoing fall within the
[30:07] purview of
[30:08] the potential signal.
[30:09] >> everyone will go
[30:10] right out here to hit the
[30:12] turn lane right away and make the
[30:13] u-turn.
[30:14] >>
[30:15] or they will come out here.
[30:16] >> that's what
[30:17] the smart
[30:19] people would do. [ laughter ]
[30:20] >> I
[30:21] mean,
[30:22] it happens in every direction.
[30:23] >> yeah.
[30:24] >>
[30:25] because we're so close to the
[30:28] intersection to
[30:30] come around that way.
[30:31] >> once they
[30:32] go out the wrong way the
[30:33] first time then the next time they'll get
[30:34] it figured out, right?
[30:35] >> yeah.
[30:40] >> you know --
[30:43] typically, you know, I would think
[30:46] if you're having restaurants or office
[30:49] or
[30:52] retail,
[30:54] whatever, later in the not later in
[30:55] the
[30:58] day, but 9:00 or whatever, I think
[31:00] most people if you're going to work
[31:01] you leave
[31:04] at 7:00, 8:00?
[31:05] >> you're talking if
[31:07] it conflicts with our manor?
[31:10] >> I'm just saying, you know -->>
[31:13] are they going to wall that on arbor manor?
[31:16] >> it's already walled. >> oh,
[31:17] it's already walled.
[31:18] >> on the south
[31:19] side of this property.
[31:22] >> no. I'm talking about on the east
[31:23] side.
[31:25] >> there's kind of, like,
[31:26] something there. It's commercial.
[31:28] it's zoned commercial.
[31:31] >> trees, because's no
[31:33] actual correction to that drive.
[31:34] >> correct.
[31:35] >> I
[31:37] wonder if it would be better for
[31:40] sani lake if they don't come out of
[31:41] the other end
[31:43] of the property and you won't have
[31:44] to
[31:46] worry about
[31:48] this traffic thing.
[31:49] >> this is arbor
[31:50] manor's
[31:52] ho allot. So they don't own that.
[31:55] >> oh! >> it's on the other side.
[31:56] >> on
[31:58] the east side of the property is arbor
[32:02] manor's ho allot.
[32:03] >> okay. Okay.
[32:04] it's not their lot.
[32:05] >> we don't want
[32:06] a connection to their --
[32:08] >> yeah. Because they don't want
[32:11] people driving through
[32:14] their neighborhood.
[32:17] >> what? >> driving
[32:20] 28 feet.
[32:21] >> item number 12 or --
[32:22] I'm sorry, number 13 is essentially
[32:23] the plat
[32:25] for it basically showing the water
[32:28] easement, drainage easement and fire lane.
[32:35] and let's
[32:37] see, very quickly, I'll tell you about cases --
[32:41] >> really --are they actually
[32:43] requesting a zoning change or amending
[32:46] the plan of record? ? Just a site
[32:47] plan approval.
[32:50] >> no, it is a
[32:53] zoning --
[32:54] >>
[32:56] it was --[ inaudible ]
[32:57] >> pd
[32:58] to pd.
[32:59] >> conceptual pd to detailed
[33:00] pd
[33:02] and they're adding the restaurant use.
[33:05] okay.
[33:06] >> yeah. City
[33:08] council, march 10th, we had the
[33:11] multi-family,
[33:14] 55+ coppell was denied
[33:17] by city council
[33:20] 3-4 or 4-3. It was close.
[33:21] >> one vote.
[33:22] >> what was the main reason there?
[33:26] >> they didn't think it
[33:29] was a good use for that area.
[33:30] >> too
[33:31] tall?
[33:32] >> wow. >> too tall was part of it.
[33:33] density.
[33:38] >> natera, the
[33:39] detailed pd was approved. The true
[33:41] hotel was approved and
[33:44] the str removal at k
[33:45] street was approved and the batch
[33:47] plat was continued to april
[33:50] 28th.
[33:51] >> chris collins' deal was
[33:53] approved, too.
[33:54] >> oh, sorry. >> which
[33:56] one was that one?
[33:57] >> the work.
[33:59] the home-based business.
[34:00] >> the
[34:01] concrete plat, did the applicant request
[34:02] a
[34:03] continuation or did council want that?
[34:08] >>
[34:09] council, they said go back and work on
[34:11] your plans
[34:14] and get something that is --is acceptable
[34:15] for
[34:16] staff for review and then bring it
[34:17] back to us and
[34:20] so I think it was april 24th --
[34:26] 28th.
[34:27] >> I was
[34:29] just wondering if they pulled the
[34:31] december application, and then they
[34:35] reapplied.
[34:36] >> they got
[34:38] a lecture.
[34:39] >>
[34:41] was
[34:43] there any --[ inaudible ]
[34:44] >> I think
[34:45] I'll let --[ inaudible ]
[35:05] >>
[35:06] december, january --[ inaudible ]
[35:11] >> all right. Hey. >> so what
[35:13] was your answer? Did you have a question?
[35:14] >> I
[35:17] asked cole if there was traffic analysis for
[35:18] the
[35:19] site, and he said no, there wasn't
[35:20] because
[35:22] it didn't meet thresholds for an analysis,
[35:23] and then
[35:25] I commented that it was huge that
[35:28] verizon allowed to process the easement
[35:29] to connect on the back
[35:31] end of that site, but I did have a
[35:32] question back
[35:35] on the old town. So that was previously
[35:38] a pd, and it will stay as a pd.
[35:39] >>
[35:41] are you talking the town --
[35:42] >>
[35:44] no, the
[35:46] professional.
[35:47] >> yeah. >> so you're --
[35:48] you're
[35:49] looking at it the from the big picture
[35:50] plan.
[35:52] could there be a challengechallenge
[35:53] a basis for
[35:56] a taking
[35:59] if it's not allowed?
[36:00] >> no. Not at
[36:02] all. They have two
[36:05] apartments rented upstairs
[36:08] and 750.
[36:09] >> if
[36:11] it were to go south,
[36:14] and they still have their existing
[36:15] ability.
[36:16] >> that type of question, I think
[36:17] needs to be in
[36:20] executive session.
[36:21] >> okay.
[36:23] >>
[36:29] consultation --
[36:31] >> we have to say no reasonable use
[36:32] of property and there
[36:35] are restaurants
[36:38] in the area. And they would
[36:41] have a very tough time
[36:43] convincing the judge that they don't
[36:44] have reasonable use.
[36:47] >> okay. Okay. >> all of
[36:50] the units in that line
[36:53] capable of a restaurant?
[36:56] >>
[36:59] I think --
[37:02] >> yeah. Dodi
[37:04] is still capable --
[37:05] >> they have three
[37:06] new buildings.
[37:08] south of
[37:11] dodi is where the financial --
[37:14] >> right. >> they have not been planned
[37:16] for a restaurant so they have to come
[37:17] back through
[37:20] the process. The pad
[37:22] site is next to twisted route is also
[37:23] slated
[37:26] for a restaurant with
[37:29] the city-owned property.
[37:32] >> and any restaurant coming in. >>
[37:35] is that the tamale place?
[37:36] >> no.
[37:38] that's the vacant pad site next to that.
[37:41] >> there are some synergies for those kind
[37:42] of
[37:45] uses out there now.
[37:46] >> yeah.
[37:48] >> so they may have a hard time
[37:51] convincing the council and
[37:52] they're just sitting there watching.
[37:54] >> yeah.
[37:57] and I know
[37:59] it's our vision to create an active
[38:02] old town. So we can't take away the
[38:06] evening and weekend traffic.
[38:09] >> it's come a long way since
[38:12] the
[38:13] carter track. [ laughter ]
[38:14] >> and it
[38:15] was a very
[38:17] bad feel.
[38:18] >> it was. I remember being
[38:19] out there
[38:20] with soccer and baseball. Any other
[38:21] questions
[38:23] of staff on cases? Okay. With that,
[38:24] I'll
[38:26] adjourn the work session at 6:30.
[38:27] a five-minute break before we start?
[38:30] >> yes.
[45:22] >>> okay.
[45:25] good evening. The time is 6:47
[45:27] and the planning and zoning commission
[45:28] is now
[45:30] reconvening into general session.
[45:31] prayer to coming out before you
[45:34] we were in work session reviewing
[45:37] the cases, and we
[45:39] had some audio technical and we are
[45:40] all
[45:43] squared away and ready to go. So with
[45:44] that,
[45:46] item 4 on the agenda is the
[45:48] citizens appearance. Is there anybody
[45:49] here that wants
[45:51] to speak on an item that's not on
[45:55] the
[46:01] agenda? Okay. Seeing none.
[46:03] for the record, we have all of the
[46:04] commission members
[46:06] present and we have cindy bishop virtually tonight.
[46:07] so --
[46:10] [ inaudible ]
[46:11] >> oh,
[46:13] you're right.
[46:16] ed maurer. All right.
[46:19] item 5 on the agenda is for approval of
[46:20] the february
[46:22] 19th meeting. Any comments by the
[46:23] commission
[46:24] or is there a motion by the commission?
[46:28] >> I'll make a motion to approve the --
[46:29] what was
[46:31] the date?
[46:32] >> february 19th?
[46:33] >> february 19th meeting minutes.
[46:34] >> I'll second. >> we
[46:37] have a motion by commissioner
[46:40] dobmeier and a second by
[46:43] commissioner patel. Tammy, would you call
[46:44] the
[46:46] roll, please?
[46:47] >> commissioner dobmeier.
[46:49] >> aye. >> commissioner haas. >> aye.
[46:52] >> commissioner bishop?
[46:55] her
[46:58] audio is not working. I apologize.
[47:01] all approved, none opposed, motion
[47:04] carries.
[47:05] >> before we move on,
[47:07] cindy, can you hear us? Okay. I
[47:09] see you're nodding. Okay. We don't
[47:10] hear you unless you're muted.
[47:22] okay. Yeah.
[47:24] if you give us a thumb's up when we
[47:25] call the roll for
[47:27] the vote then we'll know, but hopefully
[47:28] we'll get things
[47:31] fixed before then, okay?
[47:34] all right.
[47:35] >> item 6 is to
[47:37] consider approval of
[47:40] the benge
[47:43] legacy addition lot 1 block a site
[47:44] plan
[47:47] to allow for the development
[47:50] of a 4,900 square foot
[47:51] office/warehouse located at 428 southwestern
[47:53] blood at the request
[47:55] of jason benge being represented by
[47:59] greg frnka of
[48:02] gpf architects. We have a
[48:04] presentation by chairman matt steer.
[48:08] >> it currently has a single-
[48:10] family house on itit has plans to
[48:14] be demolished. The property
[48:16] is proposed to be cleared and redeveloped
[48:20] with a 4900 square foot
[48:22] office warehouse and this is acceptable
[48:23] within the
[48:26] light industrial district. They are
[48:29] planning to have 2100 square
[48:31] feet of office space, 2800 square
[48:32] feet
[48:34] of warehouse space. They are proposing
[48:37] ten parking spaces where nine parking
[48:38] spaces
[48:41] are required.
[48:43] there's five pecan trees which are
[48:44] proposed to be
[48:47] removed and replaced with
[48:50] 15 over story trees.
[48:53] there are pour
[48:55] pen oaks andand texas red oaks. The
[48:56] tree
[48:59] removal permit will be required prior to
[49:01] the removal of any trees and as designed
[49:04] the landscape plan is compliant with
[49:05] the
[49:06] landscape ordinance and given that
[49:08] this property is less than
[49:11] two acres in size, the
[49:14] required landscaping is --
[49:17] is 30% and they are providing
[49:23] 41%. The building is 28-
[49:25] foot in height and they have a combination
[49:26] of
[49:29] white austin stone and the
[49:32] fiberboard and
[49:35] dark bronze, metal panels
[49:38] and the dark bronze
[49:40] canopies. The staff is recommending
[49:41] approval for
[49:44] the benge legacy
[49:46] site plan, subject to the following
[49:47] condition and
[49:49] the detailed engineering and building
[49:50] permit review
[49:53] and prior to
[49:55] the removal of any trees and it shall
[49:56] comply with the sign
[49:58] ordinance and the formation of the type of
[49:59] the lighting
[50:02] facilities and security lighting,
[50:03] screening and
[50:04] glare shades will be required at the
[50:05] time of building permit
[50:08] to ensure compliance with the
[50:09] lighting ordinance. That concludes
[50:11] my presentation.
[50:13] the applicant's in the audience as
[50:14] well, and I'd
[50:15] be happy to answer any questions.
[50:19] >> okay. Matt, any concern? >> looks
[50:22] like a residential property on the
[50:23] outside?
[50:25] >> no, sir, that's zone light industrial.
[50:26] >> okay. Any questions of the applicant?
[50:29] I'm sorry --
[50:31] of the staff? Of the commission? Okay.
[50:32] is the applicant here to present the case?
[50:41] >> greg, if you
[50:44] can hold on a second. Can we combine
[50:47] the two?
[50:49] we'll com bin bine these two just
[50:50] to
[50:52] save a little time. If you can load up item
[50:53] 7.
[50:54] >>
[50:55] item 7 is the minor plat.
[50:56] >> okay.
[50:57] so
[50:59] item 7 is considering
[51:02] approval of the minor plat to
[51:08] allow for the office
[51:11] warehouse and jason benge being
[51:14] represented by greg frnka
[51:17] of
[51:19] gpf architects.
[51:20] >> this plot has never
[51:21] been
[51:22] platted. The property must be legally
[51:23] defined as a lot
[51:26] and block. The
[51:28] only easement required is for the water connection
[51:29] and
[51:32] the proposed 10' water easement is
[51:33] acceptable and staff
[51:34] is recommending approval subject to
[51:35] the
[51:38] following conditions there will
[51:41] be a dditional comments and the
[51:43] tree removal permit is required prior to
[51:44] the removal of
[51:46] any trees and three, the detector
[51:47] check is
[51:50] not required and the 10 by 10
[51:52] easement at the the property line
[51:53] is
[51:55] redundant.
[51:56] >> any questions of staff by
[51:57] the
[51:58] commission? Okay. You get the applicant
[51:59] to present the case.
[52:02] >> good evening. Mr. Haas,
[52:05] commissioners, mr. Steer, greg
[52:08] frnka gpf architect,
[52:11] coppell, texas. We agree with all of the
[52:12] staff
[52:13] recommendations and I would be glad to answer
[52:14] any questions.
[52:17] >> any questions of the
[52:19] applicant.
[52:20] >> -- back here, too. >> any questions of the
[52:21] applicant?
[52:23] I see cindy nodding no.
[52:26] okay.
[52:27] >> thank you very much. >> any
[52:28] final discussion by the commission?
[52:29] >> is there a motion by the commission?
[52:35] I'll make a motion for
[52:38] benge legacy addition lot one
[52:41] block 1428 southwestern
[52:44] both minor site plan
[52:45] approval subject to staff terms and conditions.
[52:47] >> we have a
[52:48] motion by commissioner
[52:50] is there a second in.
[52:51] >>
[52:52] second by vice chair blankenship.
[52:53] tammy, would you
[52:56] call the roll
[52:57] please? Please respond aye or nay.
[52:59] >> chairman haas?
[53:02] >> aye. >> commissioner hafemann.
[53:05] >> aye. >>
[53:07] commissioner patel.
[53:08] >> aye. >> and
[53:09] commissioner bishop?
[53:11] >> I see commissioner bishop,
[53:14] thumbs up.
[53:15] >> all approve.
[53:16] >> thank you very much. Item 8 on
[53:17] the agenda is a public hearing.
[53:20] this is to consider approval of
[53:29] pd-178r2r-c 145 west town
[53:32] center drive a zoning change request request
[53:34] for commercial to plan development
[53:35] 178 revision
[53:38] 2 revised commission to revise
[53:40] the detail site plan for building
[53:41] b, that
[53:44] being 145 west town center. A former --
[53:47] a former child day care facility converting
[53:51] it to a day care for dogs on 2.
[53:53] 56 acres of property located on the
[53:54] south
[53:57] side of town center drive --
[54:00] I'm sorry,
[54:02] located on the north of the road at
[54:06] the
[54:09] request of
[54:12] realtex
[54:15] ventures being represented pie
[54:17] terwisscha construction. We have representative
[54:18] mary
[54:19] paron-boswell.
[54:20] >> good evening, commissioners.
[54:21] this site was
[54:23] formerly used as a children's courtyard day
[54:24] care
[54:26] center. The building is approximately
[54:27] 11,000
[54:29] square feet. There are two buildings
[54:30] on this lot and they
[54:33] do share parking.
[54:35] 145 town center, shown there in the
[54:36] gray, is
[54:38] proposed to be converted to a dog
[54:40] day care center and also offering
[54:43] overnight accommodations. The site will remain
[54:48] cell
[54:50] relatively the same and it will be
[54:51] divided into
[54:54] play yard as you can see to the north for
[54:56] small, medium and large dogs as well
[54:57] as an area for dogs
[54:58] to relief themselves and there is
[55:00] an existing black,
[55:02] chain link fence that will remain.
[55:03] they'll be
[55:06] placing a new 8' board on board fence along
[55:07] the southern property line. The western
[55:09] property line has
[55:12] an existing 6' brick wall that
[55:15] will remain. They will
[55:18] also be sharing a trash
[55:20] enclosure that is down in the lower left of the screen.
[55:24] so
[55:25] the building itself, like I said,
[55:27] is about
[55:28] 11,000 square feet and the interior
[55:30] will be renovated
[55:33] to include various dog
[55:35] play areas. Food, prep and storage
[55:39] areas, a grooming area and
[55:41] suites for up to 71 dogs and there will
[55:42] be a waiting area
[55:43] up front with a reception area, office and staff
[55:45] area.
[55:51] they are proposing a
[55:53] you new wall sign that meets sign
[55:54] requirements.
[55:57] in terms of
[55:58] landscaping, there are no plans to
[56:00] change the landscaping
[56:02] on site. Staff is working with the
[56:03] applicant to identify
[56:05] any landscaping that may have died
[56:06] over time
[56:09] and needs to be replaced. Staff
[56:11] is proposing a condition that they
[56:12] replace any
[56:13] landscaping that is currently missing
[56:15] or dead.
[56:38] >>>
[56:41] the general concerns were noise, traffic,
[56:42] odor,
[56:44] sanitation, a decrease in
[56:47] the
[56:50] quality of life and a
[57:02] decrease in property values.
[57:08] I did hand you a
[57:11] sign in sheet. There was a
[57:14] petition signed and handed to us. There
[57:16] was additional signatures on the petition
[57:17] but I reached out to
[57:20] that
[57:25] person who was collecting them. Because
[57:26] they sent me,
[57:29] some j. Pegs and I wasn't able
[57:32] to read them. I reached out to ask them
[57:35] for the paper copies so
[57:38] we can add them to the
[57:41] records. Staff
[57:44] is recommending approval to the request
[57:47] subject to conditions. Two that
[57:50] the
[57:53] applicant
[57:56] replace any missing landscaping and allow
[57:57] staff
[57:58] to update any landscaping. That is
[57:59] the end of
[58:01] my report.
[58:02] >> with regard to some
[58:03] of the previous similar type land uses
[58:05] in other parts of town. When they
[58:07] came through the process, have there
[58:08] have been any
[58:10] complaints, any formal complaints
[58:11] with regard to those
[58:14] uses for noise, nuisance, any of
[58:16] those kinds of things?
[58:17] >> not to my
[58:18] knowledge.
[58:19] >> I'm sorry. >>
[58:20] no, sir not to
[58:22] my knowledge.
[58:23] >> okay. But you checked
[58:24] if there
[58:26] was any
[58:28] complaints?
[58:29] >> right because we've done like
[58:32] the doggy day
[58:34] care, which is not there anymore. But
[58:35] I haven't
[58:38] had anyone else --I think people
[58:41] earlier that lived like further
[58:44] away had come in during the zoning process. But after
[58:47] they did not, no
[58:50] one came in. I haven't heard any complaints.
[58:51] >> okay. Any questions of staff?
[58:56] by the
[58:59] commission?
[59:00] >>
[59:02] mary.
[59:03] >> yeah. >> what kind
[59:05] of fencing is -- sampson
[59:08] drive. Residences from all
[59:11] of
[59:14] the activity
[59:17] to south of sampson drive?
[59:18] >> I'm
[59:19] not
[59:20] sure honestly.
[59:21] >>
[59:23] sir, we'll get
[59:26] to
[59:32] you shortly.
[59:33] >> okay. >> I don't know. And
[59:34] remember,
[59:35] so thank you.
[59:36] >> any other questions
[59:37] of staff by the commission?
[59:38] >> is
[59:39] the,
[59:40] so did I understand that the prior
[59:41] zoning landscaping plan
[59:43] has been incorporated into what we
[59:44] see in this
[59:47] plan, or it will be part
[59:51] of terms and conditions?
[59:52] >> so,
[59:53] when we were reviewing the plans,
[59:54] they basically
[59:55] told us that they weren't planning
[59:56] on changing anything. So our response
[59:57] was well,
[59:59] we need to go, we need you to make
[1:00:00] sure that,
[1:00:02] everything that was supposed to be
[1:00:03] there is
[1:00:05] still there. And if not, go back and replace
[1:00:06] it. Because we
[1:00:08] have had the freeze over the last
[1:00:09] couple
[1:00:12] of years and, things just die naturally. So
[1:00:15] we like them
[1:00:16] to replace anything that, has died
[1:00:20] off or is missing and in response
[1:00:24] to your question. Does look
[1:00:25] like there's a, a brick wall. That
[1:00:26] has been pulled up.
[1:00:27] >> on the north side of town.
[1:00:33] >> mayor,
[1:00:35] --mary, can you pull up the map that has
[1:00:36] the location
[1:00:38] of the feed back we received from
[1:00:39] the public. Okay,
[1:00:42] so we have the 200
[1:00:44] on the top left and the 800 on the
[1:00:48] top
[1:00:51] right. Our screens
[1:00:52] are blanking out here.
[1:00:53] >> yeah, sorry. So
[1:00:54] the one on
[1:00:57] the bottom
[1:00:59] right is the 800. It doesn't include
[1:01:00] all
[1:01:03] the 200s.
[1:01:04] >> okay. >> okay,
[1:01:06] very
[1:01:07] good. Is the applicant here to present
[1:01:09] the case?
[1:01:10] >> good afternoon. >> name
[1:01:12] and address for the record
[1:01:15] please.
[1:01:16] >> my name
[1:01:18] is nada javon
[1:01:21] I'm the
[1:01:27] owner of excellent pet club. I'm
[1:01:30] an infectious disease by profession. Actually I
[1:01:35] respect the neighbor's concerns. I
[1:01:36] understand that. Buff if
[1:01:38] I can briefly address all those concerns. I'll
[1:01:42] be happy. It's going to be
[1:01:45] very well managed and
[1:01:48] all time supervised by
[1:01:49] our well trained and certified staff. So
[1:01:51] the dogs at the
[1:01:53] beginning are going to be evaluated. And
[1:01:56] based on their temperament, their age,
[1:01:57] their size and
[1:01:59] even their type of the play they would
[1:02:00] like, they will
[1:02:03] be grouped and they will be supervised. So
[1:02:06] most of the time, they
[1:02:07] will be kept inside. We have the two
[1:02:09] play
[1:02:11] group indoor play group and we also have
[1:02:12] the enrichment room. So it's
[1:02:14] going to be, they're going to be involved
[1:02:16] with the enrichment activity all the time. And
[1:02:18] about the noise,
[1:02:21] they will be in
[1:02:22] a smaller group, all the time. Supervised
[1:02:24] by
[1:02:27] staff. And not all the time
[1:02:30] outside. It's going
[1:02:33] to be from 10:00
[1:02:34] a.m. To 5:00 p.m. Rotation. Some part
[1:02:36] outside,
[1:02:37] some part inside and sometime resting. For
[1:02:39] the cleanliness, as
[1:02:42] I said I'm a scientist. So cleanliness
[1:02:45] is my first priority. The
[1:02:46] trash will be picked up immediately. We
[1:02:48] will have a contract
[1:02:49] with a commercial. So they will pick
[1:02:51] up
[1:02:54] the trash three times a week. So there's no
[1:02:57] issue with the cleanliness and
[1:03:00] with the odor, we have the protocols
[1:03:01] to
[1:03:03] clean the play area
[1:03:06] outside and all with
[1:03:09] the doggy safe, you know the
[1:03:11] material and take liquid to clean
[1:03:12] them. And
[1:03:15] about the traffic,
[1:03:17] one of the concerns actually it's because
[1:03:18] the --it used to
[1:03:21] be a doggy day care we're going to follow
[1:03:24] the same pattern. Drop off and
[1:03:27] pick up the dogs during the
[1:03:30] day. But we also will offer
[1:03:31] the kind of, the valet drop off. So
[1:03:33] one of the staff is going to bring
[1:03:34] the
[1:03:36] dog to the car and one of
[1:03:39] the staff
[1:03:42] in the morning they will get
[1:03:45] them inside. And
[1:03:48] sorry I forgot what
[1:03:54] was the other concern.
[1:03:55] >>
[1:03:57] I actually have
[1:04:00] a question. Tell me what your
[1:04:01] plan is specifically with waste.
[1:04:02] >> the
[1:04:03] waste will be
[1:04:05] picked up immediately by a staff. They
[1:04:06] will seal a bag
[1:04:08] and we will put it in the trash with a
[1:04:09] secure lid. And
[1:04:12] they
[1:04:14] will collect them, we will store them
[1:04:15] in the drums are outside and
[1:04:16] they will collect them three times
[1:04:18] a week.
[1:04:19] >> at any point will there
[1:04:21] be open
[1:04:27] waste.
[1:04:28] >> no not at
[1:04:36] all.
[1:04:37] >> okay, thank you. >> -->> is your mic on. >>
[1:04:39] it's going to be
[1:04:41] group play. And like I said, it's
[1:04:44] going to be enrichment type play. We
[1:04:45] will have
[1:04:46] enrichment outside. They will take
[1:04:48] with their handler, you know
[1:04:50] our staff outside. They will play
[1:04:51] like
[1:04:54] the one on one play
[1:04:56] or they will have enrichment and they
[1:04:57] will bring them
[1:05:00] inside. It's not going to
[1:05:03] be the whole day without supervision. If
[1:05:06] any parking access happens they
[1:05:09] will redirect, they
[1:05:12] will try to redirect their attention
[1:05:13] and
[1:05:15] if some of the --thaeup --they will
[1:05:18] put them in a
[1:05:19] time out and they will bring them
[1:05:21] inside.
[1:05:22] >> you mentioned
[1:05:24] they're not going to
[1:05:26] be outside for long?
[1:05:27] >> no, no. Unsupervised
[1:05:28] actually. Each play session is going
[1:05:30] to be
[1:05:32] 20 minutes for a small group. Like,
[1:05:33] five to 10 dogs with one handler
[1:05:36] it's going to be 20 minutes outside
[1:05:39] with as I said it's
[1:05:42] not like the frilly play. It's going
[1:05:43] to be enrichment play with
[1:05:45] going to
[1:05:48] the farm and then
[1:05:51] coming back
[1:05:53] inside. To engage them mentally and physically
[1:05:54] all the time. Dogs
[1:05:56] bark when they're bored. So they're
[1:05:58] not
[1:06:00] going to bark.
[1:06:01] >> so you say small,
[1:06:02] medium large and it's an hour. So
[1:06:03] they're only outside one hour of the day.
[1:06:04] >>
[1:06:05] two
[1:06:06] times outside. And the rest is going to
[1:06:07] be inside
[1:06:09] with exercise that we will have. And
[1:06:10] with the play
[1:06:13] area inside. And also they will
[1:06:16] rest
[1:06:18] most of the time you know. Doggy needs 16
[1:06:19] hours of sleep.
[1:06:20] >>
[1:06:22] I have some
[1:06:24] questions. I'm not familiar. I don't
[1:06:25] have
[1:06:27] dogs but what's involved with enrichment?
[1:06:28] >>
[1:06:29] enrichment,
[1:06:31] the means of enrichment, make
[1:06:34] them physically and
[1:06:37] mentally engaged with some play
[1:06:38] like the sniffing, and play or exercise
[1:06:40] like
[1:06:43] doggy
[1:06:44] treadmill or something like that.
[1:06:45] >>
[1:06:46] and then with
[1:06:49] regards to the valet or any type of
[1:06:51] drop off. How is that typically done? Are
[1:06:52] the dogs on
[1:06:55] leash from?
[1:06:56] >> yes,
[1:06:57] of course.
[1:06:58] >> that's like a mandatory? >>
[1:06:59] yes, it's
[1:07:01] mandatory.
[1:07:02] >> if there is valet
[1:07:03] service offered they're coming out, they're
[1:07:04] leashed. So there's no time where they're
[1:07:07] not leashed.
[1:07:08] >> no, not
[1:07:10] at all. Otherwise in the play
[1:07:13] area which is enclosed.
[1:07:14] >> at
[1:07:15] the out outset of your presentation. Did
[1:07:16] I
[1:07:17] hear you say this particular building.
[1:07:18] >>
[1:07:19] a kids day care.
[1:07:20] >> it
[1:07:21] was a kids day care. I thought I heard
[1:07:22] you say it was
[1:07:24] a dog's day care.
[1:07:25] >> no it was a kid's
[1:07:28] day care.
[1:07:29] >> and then we
[1:07:31] have the
[1:07:36] waste removal. Okay most of the time. And
[1:07:37] then, you
[1:07:38] said outside, no that's the removal
[1:07:40] three times a week of
[1:07:43] waste.
[1:07:44] >> three times per
[1:07:46] week.
[1:07:47] >>
[1:07:49] three times per
[1:07:51] week. Okay.
[1:07:52] >> thank you. >> ma'am,
[1:07:53] where
[1:07:54] exactly outside will the dogs be playing?
[1:07:55] >>
[1:07:56] those
[1:07:58] two big rooms and the north
[1:07:59] side is enrichment room. Outside you mean.
[1:08:00] >>
[1:08:01] yes, yes.
[1:08:02] >>
[1:08:04] no, it's the
[1:08:07] next one. Those two blue
[1:08:10] one. And we will
[1:08:12] have the, the farm enrichment farm. And
[1:08:16] it's going to
[1:08:17] be there, you know sorry relieving
[1:08:19] area.
[1:08:20] >> will any
[1:08:22] of those areas be fenced?
[1:08:23] >> all of
[1:08:24] them are fenced.
[1:08:25] >> solid fencing,
[1:08:26] what kind
[1:08:28] of fencing.
[1:08:29] >>
[1:08:31] inside it's going
[1:08:34] to
[1:08:36] be wire fence.
[1:08:37] >> excuse me. >> wire
[1:08:38] fence. But outside it's
[1:08:40] going to be wood.
[1:08:41] >>
[1:08:46] that's where you said board on
[1:08:49] board.
[1:08:50] >> yes. >> okay, okay thank you. So I saw the first. >>
[1:08:52] I just had a quick question. You had
[1:08:53] mentioned
[1:08:54] that the dogs would only be outside between
[1:08:58] the hours
[1:08:59] of 10:00 a.m. And 5:00 p.m.
[1:09:00] >> yes. >> so after 5:00 p.m., dog -- >> they
[1:09:01] will be inside and our operation times is
[1:09:03] going to be 7:00 a.m. To 7:00 p.m. So
[1:09:04] we don't have
[1:09:07] any day care. So they will go to
[1:09:10] their resting area
[1:09:13] to the --
[1:09:14] >> so they won't be
[1:09:15] playing outside before 10:00 a.m.
[1:09:16] or after 4:00 p.m.
[1:09:17] >>
[1:09:18] no, we don't have to.
[1:09:19] >> before I
[1:09:20] make
[1:09:21] assumptions of the words being used. The
[1:09:22] two
[1:09:24] areas off to the it'll be on the north
[1:09:25] side and
[1:09:28] south side of the building
[1:09:31] that we refer to as
[1:09:33] relief areas.
[1:09:34] >> yes. >> are those,
[1:09:35] are they relieving themselves in those areas
[1:09:37] or is it --
[1:09:38] >>
[1:09:39] you know for the boarding dogs, we
[1:09:40] will
[1:09:42] have the --in the morning time. We will immediately
[1:09:43] after they wake up at
[1:09:46] the 7:00 a.m. We will take them to
[1:09:48] the relief area. So of course they
[1:09:49] will relieving in the
[1:09:52] other area too. But that's just for
[1:09:53] morning and for the boarding dogs.
[1:09:54] >>
[1:09:55] is it fair to ask to
[1:09:58] only have relief area on
[1:10:01] one
[1:10:04] side of that property and
[1:10:06] preferably on the south side.
[1:10:07] >> we
[1:10:08] have the area on
[1:10:09] the right for the smaller dog and on
[1:10:10] the
[1:10:12] left side, yes that one and this one.
[1:10:13] >>
[1:10:14] my
[1:10:16] question is can that one on the
[1:10:19] north side be consolidated to
[1:10:22] the south side so that it
[1:10:25] is further
[1:10:28] away from the
[1:10:30] north property and the adjacent community.
[1:10:31] >>
[1:10:32] yeah, it can
[1:10:34] change.
[1:10:35] >> that just allows
[1:10:37] greater distance.
[1:10:38] >>
[1:10:40] yeah, I will share this with our
[1:10:43] contract.
[1:10:44] >> any other
[1:10:45] questions of the applicant? Okay. I
[1:10:49] wish we could
[1:10:52] let cindy in. But, sorry, our screens are cutting
[1:10:54] out. Maybe you can text or something
[1:10:55] if you have questionless. But what
[1:10:56] was
[1:10:58] the right to ask you to
[1:11:00] come back after the public hearing. Okay. Very
[1:11:01] good. All right, so we
[1:11:04] have several folks that have
[1:11:07] signed up for this case. So, we appreciate you
[1:11:10] coming out. You will have
[1:11:13] three minutes to speak. No more than three
[1:11:15] minutes. Cami if you can raise your hand. Maybe
[1:11:16] they have 30
[1:11:19] seconds to start wrapping it
[1:11:22] up. But we want to
[1:11:24] try to get to everybody. So I will
[1:11:25] call names
[1:11:26] first person then followed by so that
[1:11:28] the next person can
[1:11:31] get ready and we can move
[1:11:34] through this fairly quickly. We
[1:11:37] will
[1:11:40] start out with pete sup erack
[1:11:43] and to be followed by sarah sanders and
[1:11:44] brandon gros.
[1:11:45] >> apologize for the
[1:11:46] fence comment. This is my first one. So
[1:11:49] good evening and
[1:11:52] thanks for the opportunity,
[1:11:55] my name is pete superack. The property
[1:11:58] is under construction,
[1:12:01] the property under construction
[1:12:02] for rezoning is located right behind
[1:12:04] the border fence of
[1:12:07] my house. I want to make it very clear, we
[1:12:12] love dogs, I have two rescues. My
[1:12:19] wife has
[1:12:22] fostered dogs. We support small
[1:12:25] business. This property
[1:12:31] sits
[1:12:34] behind a row of residential
[1:12:37] homes 11 behind fence
[1:12:40] and is close
[1:12:42] to two montessori schools. Many of
[1:12:43] us use our
[1:12:46] pools, backyard spaces to relax, spend
[1:12:47] time
[1:12:49] with our families especially during
[1:12:50] the weekends. So
[1:12:52] persistent
[1:12:55] barking will definitely impact the
[1:13:00] quality of our life. Second, even responsible management.
[1:13:08] facilities that
[1:13:11] manage -- especially
[1:13:14] in texas odor becomes
[1:13:15] a big problem for precedents. It's
[1:13:16] important to note that town center is
[1:13:17] the
[1:13:19] primary rout used by the high schoolers
[1:13:21] and the students that walk, use bikes
[1:13:23] and scooters to
[1:13:24] travel to and from schools. And then
[1:13:26] finally, property value
[1:13:29] for many of
[1:13:32] us our homes is the single
[1:13:33] biggest financial asset we own. One
[1:13:35] backing up to a
[1:13:38] doggy day care
[1:13:44] and
[1:13:47] one that does
[1:13:49] not. So even under ideal management. There
[1:13:50] are no perfect fences that
[1:13:52] are going to stop dogs from barking. There
[1:13:53] are no trash bins
[1:13:56] no matter how you
[1:13:58] seal it that is going to eliminate
[1:14:02] hot odor especially on a hot texas
[1:14:05] day. On the evening that's
[1:14:08] when
[1:14:11] I use the backyard
[1:14:14] the most. There were no
[1:14:16] --all the comments were about the
[1:14:17] weekday, what are you
[1:14:20] going to do on
[1:14:21] the weekend. This is simply not the appropriate
[1:14:23] location
[1:14:26] for a doggy day care. For
[1:14:28] this reason, I respectfully ask the
[1:14:30] committee to consider the impact this will
[1:14:32] have on
[1:14:34] our schools. We have already submitted
[1:14:35] a petition that has
[1:14:36] 52 signatures with gratitude I thank
[1:14:37] you for your time and consideration.
[1:14:38] >>
[1:14:39] okay,
[1:14:40] thank you very much. Quick question
[1:14:43] for you.
[1:14:44] >> yes, sir. >> so you mentioned
[1:14:47] increased traffic. How
[1:14:50] would this be
[1:14:52] increased traffic over a child care?
[1:14:53] that was
[1:14:55] previously there.
[1:14:56] >> statistically
[1:14:57] we would have to
[1:14:58] measure that. 71 dogs, I don't think
[1:14:59] 71 children are in that
[1:15:01] day care next to it. You would have
[1:15:05] to measure that.
[1:15:06] >> thank
[1:15:08] you. Thank you. Sarah sanders followed
[1:15:11] by landon gause. And so mrs.
[1:15:14] sanders you live on beachwood. Where's beachwood.
[1:15:15] >>
[1:15:17] across from the
[1:15:20] library in town
[1:15:23] center. I see it
[1:15:26] now. Got you. Thank
[1:15:28] you.
[1:15:29] >> sarah sanders, my child attends coppell
[1:15:30] montessori and my family frequently
[1:15:32] commute on foot. Town center drive
[1:15:33] to
[1:15:34] the high school on weekends and weekdays
[1:15:35] and it's only
[1:15:38] the only
[1:15:41] paved side of that
[1:15:44] street which
[1:15:47] is butting up
[1:15:49] against this facility. I've volunteered
[1:15:50] at
[1:15:51] multiple dog shelters. And I've seen
[1:15:53] dogs escape their leash even
[1:15:55] by trained handlers. In an area with
[1:15:56] children, it is not just
[1:15:58] an inconvenience it is a danger. Big
[1:15:59] fan
[1:16:01] of dogs, big fan of kids but those
[1:16:02] two
[1:16:05] don't blend well in close quarters. The
[1:16:07] noise pollution with the significant
[1:16:08] outdoor
[1:16:11] presence like the proposed
[1:16:13] facility is objectively loud, consistent and
[1:16:14] uncontrollable. Even with redirection
[1:16:17] and engagement. I am surprised
[1:16:18] actually the city would consider putting such
[1:16:20] a facility with a 71
[1:16:22] dog capacity so centrally in a high
[1:16:23] trafficked
[1:16:25] area by people of all ages. Using
[1:16:26] the other two doggy
[1:16:29] day cares in coppell is
[1:16:32] an example. One doesn't have a designated outdoor
[1:16:35] area. So they do relief
[1:16:38] for dogs in the surrounding
[1:16:41] runs. The other
[1:16:44] has runs but
[1:16:47] they're fully
[1:16:48] surrounded by parking lots. Barking
[1:16:50] acts
[1:16:53] as a stressor
[1:16:56] on children's brain and reducing cognitive
[1:16:58] functions such as focus. Leading to
[1:16:59] the height fear or alertness. I'm
[1:17:00] not
[1:17:02] a scientist but I
[1:17:05] do have children that walk by this
[1:17:06] facility
[1:17:08] every day. Town
[1:17:10] center drive is the proposed facility becomes
[1:17:11] a booming
[1:17:14] nonstop thoroughfare five days of
[1:17:17] the week. From school
[1:17:20] start. After school program and
[1:17:24] last week 1400 students signed on
[1:17:29] for honor roll run. And many
[1:17:32] of them are
[1:17:35] in that same area. The
[1:17:37] buses, cars, high schoolers and constant
[1:17:38] noise. I
[1:17:41] oppose, with kids, school staff and
[1:17:44] commuters as their close
[1:17:46] proximity will raise stress levels
[1:17:47] and negatively impact the
[1:17:50] day fall. Thank
[1:17:52] you.
[1:17:53] >> thank you very much. Landongaus. While
[1:17:54] brandon is coming
[1:17:55] down. How many kids are enrolled at the
[1:17:56] day care center. Do we
[1:17:59] have
[1:18:05] a number of capacity of
[1:18:11] what was previously there? Thank you.
[1:18:17] mr. Gause.
[1:18:18] >> just to quickly
[1:18:25] address ed haas question. Was there
[1:18:26] any complaints with other doggy
[1:18:29] day care. I think the reason why there was
[1:18:30] no
[1:18:32] complaints is
[1:18:35] because the day
[1:18:37] cares that were surrounded by industrial areas. That's
[1:18:38] probably why
[1:18:41] there isn't that many complaints. My
[1:18:43] property is actually directly across the
[1:18:44] fence that the dogs
[1:18:46] will be playing in. And so I have
[1:18:47] a
[1:18:50] direct connection to this. We actually
[1:18:51] walk
[1:18:53] --walked it yesterday with the kids. I
[1:18:55] basically second everything that was
[1:18:56] said by the previous two speakers. I'm
[1:18:59] not a
[1:19:02] scientist, I don't have a lot
[1:19:05] of stats. Say, but
[1:19:08] I think just from a selfish
[1:19:10] perspective that I don't really see
[1:19:14] a doggy day care being
[1:19:17] near a residential area
[1:19:19] as something that is conducive to
[1:19:20] daily life. There's also a
[1:19:23] direct child day care right next to
[1:19:24] it. Right
[1:19:25] next door called the children's courtyard. So
[1:19:27] there's going to
[1:19:29] be drop off and pick up from there
[1:19:30] as well. To me
[1:19:31] that seems that would be a safety
[1:19:33] and liability
[1:19:36] issue as well. If a dog were
[1:19:37] to get off leash, kids five and under
[1:19:39] are statistically
[1:19:41] even as I said I don't have any statistic,
[1:19:42] kids five
[1:19:45] and under are more
[1:19:48] likely to get
[1:19:50] bit by a dog. Sanitation was covered. I
[1:19:53] don't really have much else. I think
[1:19:54] they covered really everything that's
[1:19:57] involved. But,
[1:19:58] I just hope that we use common sense
[1:20:00] here. And that there are
[1:20:03] other properties that could
[1:20:06] be used for this. So, I thank
[1:20:09] you for your
[1:20:11] time.
[1:20:12] >> thank you. >> vicki rice
[1:20:15] followed by darla mann.
[1:20:16] >>
[1:20:19] chairman haas.
[1:20:20] >> yes. >> so between
[1:20:24] the two buildings, which
[1:20:27] are basically about the
[1:20:30] same time. 334 kids between
[1:20:33] both buildings.
[1:20:34] >> 334,
[1:20:35] so 150, 180 kids. Okay. Okay. Yes,
[1:20:36] ma'am.
[1:20:37] >> hi
[1:20:39] my name is
[1:20:41] vicki rice. I'm the director of coppell montessori. Our
[1:20:45] playground backs up
[1:20:48] to that area with just
[1:20:49] a small creek separating the properties. Toddlers
[1:20:51] play
[1:20:54] out there all day. Learning
[1:20:56] and playing. Dog day cares typically include
[1:20:57] dogs playing
[1:20:59] together which can result in frequent barking
[1:21:00] and noise
[1:21:01] throughout the school hours. She said
[1:21:03] between 10:00 and 5:00 those
[1:21:05] are the times we're outside. For very
[1:21:06] young children,
[1:21:09] that level of noise
[1:21:11] can be disruptive to outdoor play. Learning
[1:21:12] activities and
[1:21:13] rest times. Many children at this
[1:21:15] age are also frightened
[1:21:17] by loud barking or groups of unfamiliar
[1:21:18] dogs. There's
[1:21:20] also practical concerns as everyone
[1:21:22] has mentioned. The sanitation, odors
[1:21:24] and waste management
[1:21:26] so close to an area where children
[1:21:28] play. As others have mentioned, town center
[1:21:30] drive
[1:21:31] becomes very busy throughout the week. There's
[1:21:33] buses, cars, the
[1:21:36] high schoolers
[1:21:38] that go through that area. It's crazy. My
[1:21:39] intention is
[1:21:42] not to
[1:21:45] impose the business
[1:21:48] but for the city to
[1:21:51] consider if placing
[1:21:54] a
[1:21:57] doggy tkeu
[1:22:00] -- day care is
[1:22:06] the best choice.
[1:22:07] >>
[1:22:09] hi thank you very
[1:22:12] much. My name is darla mann. I reside
[1:22:15] on shady lane. So our
[1:22:18] residents first off
[1:22:19] I came really just to show support. I
[1:22:21] did sign the petition and my mother
[1:22:24] as
[1:22:27] well. We're the neighbor we're
[1:22:28] on the west side of this location. But
[1:22:30] as I've
[1:22:32] been sitting here listening to the
[1:22:33] meeting,
[1:22:36] the city's point of view and
[1:22:38] any kind of information that they've
[1:22:39] gathered. So
[1:22:45] I want to provide some
[1:22:48] perspective on
[1:22:51] our side. Originally this was
[1:22:54] a day care buildings a and
[1:22:57] b were both populated for
[1:23:00] children. As
[1:23:03] a resident of coppell since 1969 at
[1:23:04] this residence
[1:23:05] since 1980, we've seen a lot of growth. The
[1:23:06] high
[1:23:09] school has been built. The
[1:23:12] day care has been put
[1:23:13] in. Mr. More homes around us. Even
[1:23:15] the church
[1:23:18] which is just south of this
[1:23:21] property,
[1:23:24] over the years
[1:23:26] we have been inundated by noise. The
[1:23:30] day care with screaming, playing kids. All
[1:23:31] hours,
[1:23:32] all ages. We get noise from the high school
[1:23:33] which you know
[1:23:36] the field is a little further
[1:23:39] away but we still get it. Also the
[1:23:42] church which
[1:23:45] is just, a
[1:23:46] stone's throw south of this facility. You
[1:23:48] think a church is
[1:23:50] going in there but they play rock
[1:23:51] & roll kind of music
[1:23:54] that really imnates out
[1:23:56] of there on wednesday and thursday
[1:23:59] evenings and on sunday mornings. They've
[1:24:00] tried to do some improvement
[1:24:03] from sound barrier but
[1:24:06] we still
[1:24:09] hear it. So
[1:24:12] we
[1:24:15] are bombarded
[1:24:18] with
[1:24:21] noise by these entities
[1:24:24] that have grown
[1:24:27] up around our homes. The brick fence runs
[1:24:29] across that entire line. There's two actual
[1:24:30] brick fences. There's the church brick
[1:24:31] fence that
[1:24:33] runs all the way out to sandy lake
[1:24:34] and
[1:24:36] then there's the day care brick fence that's
[1:24:39] only brick on
[1:24:42] the west side. Everything else
[1:24:45] is chain link. So
[1:24:47] there is a gap there. Probably 10
[1:24:48] to 12-inches
[1:24:51] where those
[1:24:53] fences do not meet and you know critters
[1:24:54] go in and out
[1:24:56] of there so dogs can certainly go
[1:24:57] in between
[1:25:00] and enter our property. So
[1:25:03] a few things that I
[1:25:05] wrote down today, proximity. I'm an
[1:25:06] animal lover, not against the
[1:25:09] business but
[1:25:12] again there's probably been
[1:25:14] no complaints because the doggy day
[1:25:15] care within coppell.
[1:25:16] >>
[1:25:17] thank you. We'll give you another
[1:25:18] minute to
[1:25:21] wrap up.
[1:25:22] >> are in an
[1:25:24] industrial
[1:25:30] area more so. We, this is a very dense neighborhood,
[1:25:31] I just, we
[1:25:33] feel and my mother feels this is just
[1:25:36] not the
[1:25:39] appropriate location for this
[1:25:41] facility. Also regarding the landscaping,
[1:25:42] trees were planted in
[1:25:45] that original day care as it was. I
[1:25:48] believe their oak elms. They have
[1:25:49] the little
[1:25:50] tiny leaves all along that fence. They're
[1:25:51] on their side of the property
[1:25:53] but as they've grown over the last
[1:25:54] decade or so. They
[1:25:57] have branched out and they
[1:25:59] are over into our property. We, had
[1:26:00] many conversations trying to
[1:26:02] get them to do their tree management,
[1:26:05] cut them down. You know trim them
[1:26:06] down. It's been futile
[1:26:08] because it's always, well we have
[1:26:09] to deal with corporate. It's
[1:26:12] been like a brick wall. So there's
[1:26:15] a lot of landscaping. That needs
[1:26:18] to be done on that property regarding
[1:26:20] treeing, regarding grasses. Especially
[1:26:21] in those areas where
[1:26:24] they're going to have relief urine constantly
[1:26:25] going through
[1:26:28] there. That's going
[1:26:34] to erode the grass. It's going
[1:26:40] to emanate the odor. Again
[1:26:43] another thing regarding the
[1:26:46] noise. Talking about 10:00 a.m.
[1:26:47] to 4:00 p.m. 70 dogs all of that play
[1:26:49] time is going to
[1:26:51] be our on side. For years. We would
[1:26:52] hear
[1:26:54] the kids outside screaming and playing. My
[1:26:55] mother actually worked nights. It
[1:26:58] was
[1:27:01] very
[1:27:03] hard for her to sleep. It's just, we've
[1:27:04] been inundated
[1:27:05] by noise. You would not think there would
[1:27:07] be
[1:27:08] that much noise but there is. Now
[1:27:10] to have barking dogs,
[1:27:11] I just. I can't even. I don't even
[1:27:13] want to go there. I have
[1:27:16] also have a child who is
[1:27:17] on the autism spectrum. And he is
[1:27:19] afraid of dogs
[1:27:22] so a constant barking of dogs. I
[1:27:25] just, we don't want to
[1:27:27] have to tolerate it. And the weekend
[1:27:28] issue --that was
[1:27:31] another.
[1:27:32] >> we'll follow up,
[1:27:34] question on the applicant
[1:27:37] there. Thank you
[1:27:39] very much. So we have vishi.
[1:27:40] >> yeah,
[1:27:41] that's
[1:27:43] me.
[1:27:44] >>
[1:27:46] followed by shanti.
[1:27:47] >>
[1:27:48] we are here for actually items 12
[1:27:49] and 13.
[1:27:50] >> oh you signed up on
[1:27:51] the wrong one.
[1:27:52] >> sorry about that. >>
[1:27:56] you want to say anything while you're
[1:27:58] here?
[1:27:59] >> yes. >> okay we'll get you
[1:28:01] on
[1:28:07] that one. So y'all are on
[1:28:10] 12. All right.
[1:28:11] >> all
[1:28:16] right, sir,
[1:28:19] so, it would be
[1:28:22] rama rara, probably and rama
[1:28:25] sana
[1:28:28] rosani. So these are all
[1:28:30] 12. Okay. Oh my gosh and ron you're
[1:28:34] on for item 12. For
[1:28:37] this one. The
[1:28:40] other
[1:28:43] one,
[1:28:44] okay. How about robert? Robert dolman. You
[1:28:46] on --
[1:28:49] I'm sorry. I
[1:28:53] didn't plan on saying anything.
[1:28:54] >>
[1:29:01] okay, okay. There's,
[1:29:07] mr.
[1:29:09] doman.
[1:29:10] >> was that on item eight or 12. >> we
[1:29:11] agreed on
[1:29:12] everything.
[1:29:13] >> I just want to make
[1:29:14] sure I get
[1:29:16] everybody
[1:29:19] here. This is on eight,
[1:29:22] this is on 12. Then
[1:29:25] I'm
[1:29:28] just going to say mr.
[1:29:29] and mrs. Woo. She's brave. By hands
[1:29:31] those coming down are there others
[1:29:34] that would like to speak on the item.
[1:29:35] >>
[1:29:36] I crossed my name out. I thought --
[1:29:37] >>
[1:29:38] I see that.
[1:29:39] >>
[1:29:40] we'll get
[1:29:43] others that haven't
[1:29:46] signed up. But,
[1:29:48] mrs. Woo.
[1:29:49] >> hi. >> I'm the resident
[1:29:50] at
[1:29:52] 127 clover lane
[1:29:53] in the neighborhood. So I opposed
[1:29:55] the working the former
[1:29:57] into a dog day care center because
[1:30:01] this location is
[1:30:03] in the middle of residential neighborhood
[1:30:04] with many families
[1:30:06] with kids. Myself has two kids. And.
[1:30:07] >>
[1:30:08] could I ask you to
[1:30:10] speak closer to the mic so
[1:30:13] we can hear you.
[1:30:14] >> sure. So I oppose
[1:30:15] converting the former
[1:30:16] facility into a dog day care center
[1:30:19] because this location is
[1:30:21] in the middle of a residential neighborhood
[1:30:22] with many families
[1:30:25] and kids and myself have
[1:30:28] two kids. I
[1:30:31] think this, dog day
[1:30:37] care center will, like
[1:30:40] bring noise, odor and sanitation
[1:30:41] concerns. So it will impact, naturally impact
[1:30:46] the
[1:30:49] quality of life for the
[1:30:52] neighborhood. So I respectfully ask
[1:30:55] the authorities to
[1:30:58] take this concern. And takes up
[1:31:01] community concerns
[1:31:05] seriously. And we can consider this
[1:31:07] proposal.
[1:31:08] >> in
[1:31:09] opposition.
[1:31:10] >> is there anything else. >> thank
[1:31:11] you very much.
[1:31:12] >> are
[1:31:13] there
[1:31:16] others that would like
[1:31:19] to
[1:31:25] speak on the item? Come
[1:31:28] on
[1:31:30] down, over here.
[1:31:31] >> hey there. Closer. >> you
[1:31:32] can
[1:31:34] pull
[1:31:37] it down.
[1:31:38] >> is that better. Hi I'm
[1:31:40] shafini, 411, or 144 woodhurst
[1:31:43] drive. I have lived in coppell since 1995
[1:31:44] and
[1:31:46] moved back here about four years
[1:31:48] ago. Actually lived in the neighborhood
[1:31:49] that's adjacent to the
[1:31:50] neighborhood that this would be at. That
[1:31:54] backs up to the high school fields. So
[1:31:55] I
[1:31:58] do, understand the people that live
[1:32:01] behind the
[1:32:02] noise pollution that's already there. I
[1:32:04] would also, urge the in opposition. Sorry
[1:32:07] if I didn't say that. Would
[1:32:10] urge you guys to really consider
[1:32:12] flipping the sanitation to that backside that
[1:32:13] is
[1:32:16] where
[1:32:19] my
[1:32:22] child goes to school
[1:32:24] at coppell montessori and we're very
[1:32:25] concerned with the sound. And
[1:32:28] there's a creek that goes there and
[1:32:31] it could make
[1:32:34] the situation much worse for the run
[1:32:35] off. I
[1:32:37] heard her address the concern for
[1:32:38] removal. But also
[1:32:40] coppell has pick up twice a
[1:32:43] week. I'm interested
[1:32:47] if they will have pry --
[1:32:50] private pick up and how that
[1:32:53] will work.
[1:32:54] >> can
[1:32:56] I get your name.
[1:32:57] >> shae finney. Woodhurst drive. By
[1:32:59] the duck pond.
[1:33:00] >> okay, got
[1:33:01] you. All righty. Thank you very much. Is
[1:33:02] there anybody else
[1:33:05] who would like to speak
[1:33:08] for
[1:33:09] or against the proposed application.
[1:33:10] >>
[1:33:11] may I add one comment.
[1:33:12] >>
[1:33:13] he used his three minutes. You still
[1:33:14] have three minutes. I
[1:33:17] will need
[1:33:20] your
[1:33:22] name and address for the record.
[1:33:23] >>
[1:33:24] dawn superack. I
[1:33:25] was just looking at the sign and it
[1:33:27] says that they are maximum dogs could
[1:33:29] be 71 dogs total
[1:33:31] at a time. I know a lot of facilities allow
[1:33:32] dogs
[1:33:33] that come from the same household
[1:33:35] to stay in
[1:33:38] the same suites or the
[1:33:39] same kennels. So essentially that
[1:33:41] 71 dogs could be 144 dogs. I don't
[1:33:42] know if their facility is going to allow
[1:33:44] that but
[1:33:45] I know most of them do. So that is
[1:33:47] just another, concern
[1:33:50] that I have that
[1:33:52] is not just 71 dogs that, it could
[1:33:53] potentially
[1:33:54] be 144. Thanks.
[1:33:55] >> thank you very
[1:33:56] much. Is there anyone else who
[1:33:59] would like to speak
[1:34:00] for or against the proposed application. Seeing
[1:34:02] none. I will
[1:34:05] close the public hearing. If
[1:34:11] we could have the
[1:34:14] applicant come back
[1:34:15] please. There were a couple of concerns
[1:34:16] raised through the period. One of
[1:34:19] the concerns is what are the operations on
[1:34:20] the weekend.
[1:34:21] >> the operation on the weekend
[1:34:23] for the day care is going to
[1:34:25] be shorter. It's going to be 8:00
[1:34:29] to just 5:00 p.m.
[1:34:30] >>
[1:34:32] 8:00 to
[1:34:33] 5:00. Both saturday and sunday.
[1:34:34] >>
[1:34:35] yes, yes.
[1:34:36] >> then there was
[1:34:37] a follow up question with regard to sanitation. The
[1:34:38] pick
[1:34:41] up, the
[1:34:43] operations of who's providing.
[1:34:44] >>
[1:34:45] that's going to
[1:34:46] be commercial, private they pick up
[1:34:47] the trash. If it's needed we can add
[1:34:48] it more time. But for now we have
[1:34:50] a
[1:34:53] contract for three times
[1:34:55] a week. We can add it for, you know, like
[1:34:56] the summertime
[1:34:59] we can add it to four
[1:35:02] times a week.
[1:35:03] >>
[1:35:04] is there special disposal required?
[1:35:05] >>
[1:35:06] yeah, they are a
[1:35:08] private company.
[1:35:09] >> so
[1:35:10] they're versed in those type of operations.
[1:35:11] >>
[1:35:12] yes.
[1:35:13] >>
[1:35:14] I'm sorry. There's a
[1:35:17] side bar going on over
[1:35:20] there. Then there's
[1:35:22] one last one. 71 times two, 144.
[1:35:23] >>
[1:35:24] for a
[1:35:25] smaller, the kennel we're not allowing
[1:35:26] two dogs
[1:35:28] at a time. Just for suites that we
[1:35:29] will have
[1:35:31] eight suites for them we can for two dogs
[1:35:35] not for the rest.
[1:35:36] >> so the total
[1:35:38] is 71
[1:35:40] dogs.
[1:35:41] >> the total is 71, yes. >>
[1:35:42] total.
[1:35:43] >> total. >> okay, all right. While
[1:35:44] the applicant is here.
[1:35:45] >> it's
[1:35:46] not usually 71 for day care. It's
[1:35:47] for boarding
[1:35:50] kennel 71 as I mentioned in a,
[1:35:52] you know it's not very clear here. But
[1:35:55] we are for indoor play, we just have
[1:35:56] a 15
[1:35:59] as a big dog and 15 as
[1:36:01] a small dog. For a day care.
[1:36:02] >> so
[1:36:05] thank you.
[1:36:06] >> the small. >> thank
[1:36:08] you for that clarification. So what
[1:36:11] is the total potential number
[1:36:14] of dogs
[1:36:16] on-site?
[1:36:17] >> 71. >> total. >> total. >> boarding
[1:36:18] or
[1:36:20] nonboarding.
[1:36:21] >> yeah. >>
[1:36:22] including suites.
[1:36:23] >> including suites. Yes.
[1:36:24] eight suites is just like.
[1:36:25] >>
[1:36:26] okay, what does
[1:36:29] the staffing look
[1:36:31] like. Because you mentioned there will be
[1:36:32] 1v1.
[1:36:33] >>
[1:36:35] we will have
[1:36:37] seven to nine. Around seven for each
[1:36:40] shift.
[1:36:41] >> seven for each shift. Is
[1:36:42] there,
[1:36:43] I'm not clear with this operation.
[1:36:44] >>
[1:36:45] like each
[1:36:47] 10 dog, seven to 10 dogs per handler.
[1:36:48] >>
[1:36:49] per person. Okay, okay. And they will
[1:36:50] never
[1:36:52] leave the site.
[1:36:53] >> no. >> they're
[1:36:54] only, okay.
[1:36:55] >> they're
[1:36:56] going through the, you know the training
[1:36:57] program. So
[1:36:58] they will know the dog behavior. They
[1:36:59] will have
[1:37:01] a course and a dog behavior how to
[1:37:02] handle
[1:37:05] the emergencies. How to handle the
[1:37:08] barking. How to you know the manage the emergency
[1:37:11] time. So, they will have
[1:37:13] the training time and they will certify
[1:37:14] before.
[1:37:15] >> is that a requirement
[1:37:16] for this type of operation.
[1:37:17] >> no
[1:37:18] for our
[1:37:20] operation it's going to be
[1:37:23] --
[1:37:24] >> for your operational. >>
[1:37:26] --operations.
[1:37:27] >> so you have
[1:37:29] another location.
[1:37:30] >> no this will
[1:37:31] be
[1:37:32] the first location.
[1:37:33] >> out of curiosity
[1:37:34] why this business.
[1:37:35] >> actually I
[1:37:36] was looking for my dog. I have
[1:37:38] two dogs so I was looking for their
[1:37:40] boarding. So I was thinking, okay,
[1:37:41] when I
[1:37:44] saw
[1:37:47] couple, I thought I can do
[1:37:50] better.
[1:37:51] >> okay. Any final
[1:37:52] questions of the applicant. Samit.
[1:37:53] >> just
[1:37:54] to
[1:37:56] clarify from an operational standpoint. You
[1:37:59] are going to allow boarding overnight.
[1:38:00] >> yes. We
[1:38:01] will
[1:38:02] have staff overnight.
[1:38:03] >> but no dogs
[1:38:04] will
[1:38:05] be taken outside overnight.
[1:38:06] >> no,
[1:38:07] no. They will have a
[1:38:08] relief area inside too.
[1:38:09] >> similar
[1:38:10] on the
[1:38:11] weekends. So somebody could check
[1:38:12] their dog in for a
[1:38:14] vacation.
[1:38:15] >> oh no we have a time
[1:38:16] for accepting and for you know, drop
[1:38:17] off and pick up. We
[1:38:19] don't load them any time.
[1:38:20] >> spring
[1:38:21] break this week, somebody can check
[1:38:22] their
[1:38:23] dog in on a saturday and pick
[1:38:25] them up a week later following sunday?
[1:38:26] >>
[1:38:27] yeah,
[1:38:28] they can do it, yes, of course.
[1:38:29] >>
[1:38:30] okay, okay.
[1:38:31] >> I
[1:38:32] have a question, a couple of
[1:38:35] things came up for staff while she's
[1:38:36] still
[1:38:37] here. Is there any, is staff aware of
[1:38:38] any
[1:38:44] creeks or run off area adjacent to
[1:38:47] this property? And is there any
[1:38:50] part of
[1:38:52] this property that's directly adjacent
[1:38:53] to the montessori school?
[1:38:54] >>
[1:38:56] so I'll have to defer
[1:38:59] to engineering about the creeks. I'll
[1:39:02] let, I think he's going to
[1:39:05] look that up. I'm sorry what was the
[1:39:07] second question.
[1:39:08] >> we had a couple
[1:39:11] of comments that this
[1:39:14] was directly adjacent to the
[1:39:16] montessori school. Is there any piece
[1:39:17] that abuts next to that.
[1:39:18] >> it
[1:39:20] looks like it's
[1:39:23] the church or a
[1:39:26] church parking lot. Yeah.
[1:39:27] >>
[1:39:29] so looks like
[1:39:32] the montessori backs up to the other day
[1:39:35] care.
[1:39:36] >> okay no more questions
[1:39:37] for me, thank you.
[1:39:38] >> on the other
[1:39:39] side.
[1:39:40] >> fire away. >> I
[1:39:41] don't know who this is toward. But
[1:39:44] the eight foot board fence is it continuous
[1:39:46] around there regardless of the existing walls
[1:39:48] and whatever. Or is it
[1:39:50] meant to bridge, is it only intended
[1:39:54] to bridge the gaps where
[1:39:56] the walls are not?
[1:39:57] >> so, our intent
[1:39:58] is there's a wall to
[1:40:00] the west which is
[1:40:01] a brick wall. Which is going to stay. Then
[1:40:03] on the
[1:40:06] north facing
[1:40:09] the street and on the south at
[1:40:11] the rear, there's currently a chain
[1:40:13] link fence where I think there's fabric
[1:40:15] and
[1:40:18] we didn't want
[1:40:20] just that. So it should be in front
[1:40:21] of I think
[1:40:22] they're going to keep the chain link
[1:40:27] fence but it should be on the
[1:40:30] rear. Because we don't want
[1:40:33] kids sticking their hands in there.
[1:40:34] >>
[1:40:35] right, right. But in lieu of the comment, because
[1:40:37] knowing that there's drainage and
[1:40:39] what not below brick walls,
[1:40:42] we want to
[1:40:45] make sure that that's closed off too. Maybe
[1:40:48] not a solid 8-foot fence,
[1:40:51] but they want to make sure
[1:40:53] no dog goes boroughing underneath
[1:40:54] the wall or
[1:40:57] the fence.
[1:40:58] >>
[1:41:03] board on board outside.
[1:41:04] >> okay.
[1:41:15] okay.
[1:41:16] >> fire away kent. >>
[1:41:17] why are we agreeing to a board on
[1:41:18] board. Wouldn't
[1:41:20] it be better to recommend a stone
[1:41:21] or
[1:41:25] brick fence or something of that nature.
[1:41:30] something that's
[1:41:33] solid?
[1:41:34] >> if that's
[1:41:36] something
[1:41:39] that you want to recommend.
[1:41:42] staff was
[1:41:45] just thinking of leaving the
[1:41:48] chain link
[1:41:51] fence. We thought the board on board was better
[1:41:54] for blocking access.
[1:41:55] >> thank
[1:41:57] you.
[1:41:58] >>
[1:42:01] any other comments. Okay discussion
[1:42:06] by the commission.
[1:42:07] >> so
[1:42:09] I have mixed feelings about
[1:42:12] this application. Because
[1:42:15] it
[1:42:18] is a, a lot of dogs. But with the
[1:42:21] proper mitigation I was
[1:42:24] concerned about,
[1:42:26] this gentleman over here who was thinking
[1:42:27] that,
[1:42:30] the location of this
[1:42:31] operation would impact his property
[1:42:32] values and I'm wondering how, the
[1:42:36] rest
[1:42:39] of the commission feels about
[1:42:42] that. Because I'm thinking
[1:42:44] that this, operation is far enough away
[1:42:47] from that land to not impact it. But,
[1:42:48] maybe I'm wrong. I would
[1:42:51] like to
[1:42:54] see
[1:42:55] what others on the commission feel about that. ,
[1:42:57] I think I can support
[1:42:59] this project if all of the fencing was
[1:43:02] brick or some kind of stone fence
[1:43:03] of some
[1:43:04] sort. Something that's attractive
[1:43:06] to the area
[1:43:09] and build it up. I'm not
[1:43:11] really excited about the chain link
[1:43:14] fence and or, any of that. Plus it
[1:43:15] would mitigate
[1:43:18] any potential run off
[1:43:21] so called if there would be
[1:43:24] any. You know fluids and
[1:43:27] what not that would not
[1:43:30] be you wouldn't want to see go elsewhere
[1:43:33] from dog urine or
[1:43:36] whatever. I think that's my initial thought.
[1:43:37] >>
[1:43:39] thank you. You can have
[1:43:42] a seat. Other thoughts by the commission. Sue.
[1:43:43] >>
[1:43:44] you
[1:43:45] know, initially I thought this was
[1:43:46] probably a good
[1:43:48] conversion use of a day care
[1:43:50] into a doggy day care. Burr listening
[1:43:51] to some of
[1:43:53] the residents and what they really had
[1:43:54] to
[1:43:57] say about it, I'm not sure in this
[1:43:59] particular location that it's really
[1:44:00] good based
[1:44:02] on the foot traffic and the proximity to
[1:44:04] the montessori and to the other day
[1:44:06] care and to the high schoolers walking
[1:44:07] by. You
[1:44:09] know those high
[1:44:11] schoolers are going to atphroeu --
[1:44:12] to annoy
[1:44:14] those dogs as they walk by. Any way,
[1:44:15] I don't know
[1:44:18] if this is the best spot in this. There's another
[1:44:19] day
[1:44:20] care for sale on the other side of
[1:44:21] the creek
[1:44:24] with no residents. But any way. I
[1:44:27] don't
[1:44:30] know
[1:44:33] that I can support the approval of
[1:44:34] this.
[1:44:35] >>
[1:44:36] okay. I wanted to understand what this
[1:44:37] land
[1:44:39] use potentially could be like. I visited
[1:44:42] other locations in coppell just driving
[1:44:43] around. Just
[1:44:44] listening for sounds, things like
[1:44:48] that. So there's one
[1:44:51] there, more or less on the north quadrant of mcarthur
[1:44:54] and belt line. And I detected no
[1:44:57] smells. There was operations when
[1:45:00] the door opened. I could hear dogs barking. There
[1:45:01] was
[1:45:03] a brick fence on one end. Some dogs
[1:45:04] were
[1:45:05] out playing. I could hear them. But,
[1:45:06] then I decided
[1:45:09] to check with
[1:45:12] some of the
[1:45:15] folks that lived
[1:45:16] in that adjacent neighborhood. And
[1:45:18] kudos
[1:45:21] to coppell residents for not opening the
[1:45:24] doors for strangers. But I
[1:45:26] found some folks walking. So I asked
[1:45:27] them questions. And
[1:45:30] they were you know,
[1:45:33] they were at 500 feet plus and
[1:45:36] from the alley of
[1:45:39] I believe it was crestview
[1:45:45] or, I lost it
[1:45:47] here. Yeah crestview.
[1:45:48] >> for clarification
[1:45:49] you're talking about camp bowwow.
[1:45:50] >>
[1:45:51] yes.
[1:45:52] >>
[1:45:53] from the alley,
[1:45:55] I could hear the dogs. So
[1:45:56] that's over 400 plus feet. And but
[1:45:58] the residents, that
[1:46:00] I spoke with they didn't have any problem. They
[1:46:01] said
[1:46:02] they could hear them, you know. They
[1:46:04] were fine with it. But no
[1:46:07] big deal. The second location I
[1:46:10] went to was
[1:46:13] the one just on
[1:46:16] the southeast
[1:46:19] corner of denton tap and sandy
[1:46:22] lake
[1:46:26] there by, by victor's. I'm looking
[1:46:28] for the
[1:46:31] name here. It's right
[1:46:34] there by
[1:46:36] the rock & roll.
[1:46:37] >> dogtopia. >> dogtopia
[1:46:38] yes thank you
[1:46:39] for that. So I spoke with residents behind
[1:46:40] there
[1:46:42] on glenview. Because they're a lot
[1:46:45] closer. The residents I spoke with there,
[1:46:46] actually one guy
[1:46:47] over here answered his door. He said
[1:46:49] that he's
[1:46:52] never had a problem. The noise,
[1:46:53] not a problem. Smell, not a problem. Then
[1:46:57] I decided, let me check with some
[1:46:58] of the
[1:47:00] adjacent commercial businesses if there's
[1:47:01] any issues. And
[1:47:04] so I went to
[1:47:07] the zalot's and the
[1:47:10] rock & roll, rock of school rock
[1:47:11] of ages whatever it is. The restaurant
[1:47:13] couldn't really hear anything
[1:47:14] other than when the dogs were going
[1:47:16] in and out. Rock &
[1:47:18] roll place there, they could hear
[1:47:19] them
[1:47:20] through the wall. But they have drones and guitars
[1:47:22] going
[1:47:25] so it kind
[1:47:27] of blended in. I didn't hear really
[1:47:28] anything negative. But
[1:47:31] as I consider this site and I consider
[1:47:34] the comments we've received here regarding just
[1:47:37] the proximity
[1:47:40] of
[1:47:43] other children's
[1:47:45] abg tiffties -- activity, and the
[1:47:46] proximity
[1:47:47] of residents. Especially the resident
[1:47:49] that's been here
[1:47:52] since 1969. She looks
[1:47:54] awful young for being here since 1969. I'm
[1:47:55] not against
[1:47:58] the use but I think
[1:48:01] this may
[1:48:02] not be the location. Are there any
[1:48:04] other
[1:48:05] thoughts or final comments by the commission?
[1:48:06] >>
[1:48:07] I think the convenience of it being
[1:48:08] within
[1:48:09] the community, no different than when
[1:48:10] we do look
[1:48:11] for a day care. I like it near by
[1:48:13] my home
[1:48:16] so that I can
[1:48:18] pick up and drop off kids. Dogs. It
[1:48:20] would be an interesting study, 71
[1:48:22] dogs versus
[1:48:25] 180 kids which one
[1:48:27] is louder in the day. This happens
[1:48:28] to
[1:48:30] be a larger commercial property and
[1:48:31] this property just
[1:48:34] happens to be
[1:48:37] on one side of
[1:48:39] it. But the over all residential area
[1:48:43] was built adjacent to
[1:48:46] a large commercial property. So
[1:48:49] the church noise,
[1:48:50] the other noise. I'm mixed, I am mixed
[1:48:52] because of its --but I think
[1:48:55] there's a value
[1:48:58] and
[1:48:59] a convenience of it as well being
[1:49:01] so close.
[1:49:02] >> with
[1:49:07] that said is there a
[1:49:13] motion by
[1:49:16] the commission?
[1:49:17] >>
[1:49:19] okay I move to
[1:49:22] approve pd178r2r-cu at 145
[1:49:25] west
[1:49:28] town center
[1:49:31] drive. A zoning
[1:49:36] change request from pd178r2r-planned
[1:49:37] develop to-78 commercial
[1:49:38] two pd178r2rc planned development. 178
[1:49:40] revision to
[1:49:42] commercial to revise the detailed
[1:49:46] site plan for building b at 145
[1:49:49] west town center. Which was a former child
[1:49:52] day care center subject to
[1:49:54] staff conditions.
[1:49:55] >> okay we have
[1:49:56] a
[1:49:57] motion by commissioner hafemann is
[1:49:58] there a second.
[1:49:59] >> I
[1:50:00] will second.
[1:50:01] >> I'm sorry. There was
[1:50:02] a
[1:50:04] second okay so we have a
[1:50:07] motion
[1:50:10] by commissioners hafemann
[1:50:13] and a
[1:50:16] essential
[1:50:18] by commissioner dobmeier.
[1:50:19] >> commissioner
[1:50:20] dobmeier.
[1:50:21] >>
[1:50:22] aye.
[1:50:23] >> blankeship. >>
[1:50:24] nae.
[1:50:25] >> commissioner patel. >> aye. >>
[1:50:26] and commissioner bishop.
[1:50:27] >> nae.
[1:50:28] can you hear me?
[1:50:29] >> yeah, we got
[1:50:31] you now. So
[1:50:34] that, motion is a tie. That motion
[1:50:35] is
[1:50:37] a tie. That motion fails. So we
[1:50:40] need
[1:50:43] another
[1:50:46] motion
[1:50:49] by the commission. Sue.
[1:50:50] >> I motion
[1:50:52] to deny consideration of
[1:50:55] pd-178r2r-c.
[1:50:56] >> we have a denial by commissioner
[1:50:58] blankenship. I will second that
[1:51:01] motion. Cammy
[1:51:07] would you call the roll
[1:51:11] please.
[1:51:12] >> commissioner dobmeier. >> nae. >>
[1:51:16] vice chair blankenship.
[1:51:17] >>
[1:51:19] aye.
[1:51:20] >> commissioner haas. >>
[1:51:22] commissioner
[1:51:25] bishop.
[1:51:26] >> aye. >> so
[1:51:27] that motion fails. We're landlocked.
[1:51:28] >>
[1:51:29] as a matter of law,
[1:51:31] it requires a majority to
[1:51:33] be approved. That means 50% plus one. You
[1:51:34] did not
[1:51:37] receive 50% plus one so it's
[1:51:40] denied.
[1:51:41] >> so it's denied. >>
[1:51:42] yes, sir.
[1:51:43] >> okay. So the application
[1:51:44] as presented
[1:51:46] is denied. You have the ability to
[1:51:47] appeal to
[1:51:48] council for your application. But
[1:51:50] thank you to those
[1:51:53] who came
[1:51:56] tonight
[1:51:59] and the
[1:52:02] input
[1:52:05] for that. Okay, moving
[1:52:06] on. Item nine. Considering approval
[1:52:07] of pd-296r-li, samaritans purse addition
[1:52:11] lot 1r block
[1:52:13] a, a zoning change request from pd-296-li. I'm
[1:52:14] sorry. Let
[1:52:17] me
[1:52:20] back up
[1:52:22] here. A zoning change request from planned development
[1:52:25] to 96 light development and revised light
[1:52:26] industrial. To add parking lot
[1:52:29] to add a parking lot to
[1:52:31] the south of the existing planned development
[1:52:32] for parking
[1:52:35] and update the
[1:52:38] existing site plan for
[1:52:41] a new additional 37,699 square
[1:52:43] foot three story professional building office building
[1:52:44] located
[1:52:46] on approximately 13 acres of land on the
[1:52:48] west side of creek view drive approximately
[1:52:50] 525
[1:52:53] feet north of
[1:52:56] bethel road at the request
[1:52:57] of samaritan's purse and fellowship
[1:52:59] purse. And
[1:53:02] being represented by kelsey
[1:53:03] campbell. We have a staff presentation by mrs.
[1:53:05] mary prune boswell.
[1:53:06] >>
[1:53:08] mr. Chairman if you choose to you
[1:53:11] can also, do the replat of
[1:53:12] the two lots that would result. If
[1:53:14] you will just
[1:53:17] read that first sentence that will
[1:53:18] get us to that issue.
[1:53:19] >> is anybody
[1:53:22] opposed on the commission on that? Okay. So
[1:53:23] we're
[1:53:26] going to
[1:53:29] combine nine and 10. Item
[1:53:32] 10 is a
[1:53:34] public hearing to consider approval
[1:53:35] of samaritan's purse
[1:53:38] addition lot 1r and two block
[1:53:40] a replat. A plat request to create
[1:53:41] two lots
[1:53:43] extending lot 1r south of the existing
[1:53:47] planned development to be used for additional parking
[1:53:50] and the existing gas well
[1:53:52] site on lot 2 on approximately 27.6
[1:53:56] acres of land located
[1:53:59] on the west side of creekview
[1:54:01] drive approximately 525 feet north of
[1:54:05] bethel road at
[1:54:08] the request of fellowship
[1:54:11] church
[1:54:13] fka fellowship in hras colinas being
[1:54:15] represented by kelsey campbell, kimley-horn
[1:54:17] & associates.
[1:54:18] >> all the
[1:54:20] property was
[1:54:22] once owned by fellowship church. A
[1:54:23] portion was sold
[1:54:24] to samaritan's purse and developed
[1:54:26] as warehouse space. This is
[1:54:29] an expanse of the samaritan
[1:54:31] purse site. So there's two main changes. One
[1:54:32] is
[1:54:35] to remove parking for the addition
[1:54:38] of a
[1:54:41] new three story building. The
[1:54:44] location of the new building
[1:54:47] necessitated the parking and the fire
[1:54:49] lane. The new buildings large floor will
[1:54:50] include staff
[1:54:52] devotion for 70 and guest training. The
[1:54:55] second floor will house 30 of their
[1:54:57] information technology staff and the
[1:54:59] third floor is for future
[1:55:02] growth. In order to accommodate
[1:55:05] the new building and the parking associated
[1:55:06] with it,
[1:55:08] and the parking that was lost to the new
[1:55:09] building footprint
[1:55:11] a new parking
[1:55:14] lot will be constructed
[1:55:15] south of the existing lot. The new
[1:55:18] parking is the second main change. So
[1:55:20] they are
[1:55:23] plotting some land to the
[1:55:25] south to -- the required parking. They're
[1:55:26] removing 60
[1:55:29] spaces and adding back
[1:55:32] 176 for a grand total of 399 spaces
[1:55:33] on-site. So the elevation shows that the
[1:55:35] majority of the
[1:55:38] building will be brick with a
[1:55:40] small portion to be stucco. There
[1:55:41] are three
[1:55:44] brick
[1:55:47] colors proposed. The stucco will be a
[1:55:49] pepper corn color. Here we're looking at
[1:55:50] the elevations
[1:55:51] of the new three story building. It's
[1:55:53] just under 200
[1:55:56] feet of height. It will have
[1:55:57] a canopy on the front. In terms of
[1:55:59] building signage I know there's one
[1:56:00] shown
[1:56:02] on the diagram here on
[1:56:06] the illustration but it's just for
[1:56:14] illustrative purposes. In terms of landscaping,
[1:56:15] so that
[1:56:16] they meet the site requirement staff
[1:56:17] will
[1:56:20] be working with the applicant for tree
[1:56:21] placement along
[1:56:23] creek view drive. Since there is a major
[1:56:26] gas easement
[1:56:28] that runs parallel to the street. Staff
[1:56:31] is requesting a condition that would allow us to
[1:56:35] administratively approve any
[1:56:36] landscaping to the easement. They
[1:56:38] are proposing 40 trees, 19 trees
[1:56:41] in the parking and outdoor patio
[1:56:43] area. The new parking area will require
[1:56:44] existing
[1:56:47] trees to be removed, so the
[1:56:50] applicant will be requesting that
[1:56:51] the
[1:56:53] fees for tree mitigation
[1:56:56] be waived. This can only
[1:56:59] be done by council. So
[1:57:02] let's see here. In addition there's
[1:57:07] a larger tree that requires city council
[1:57:08] approval as well. So
[1:57:10] now we're looking at the northern
[1:57:11] portion
[1:57:13] of the site. So the blue represents
[1:57:14] the new building. And then
[1:57:17] just to the
[1:57:20] left of that
[1:57:23] you will
[1:57:26] see
[1:57:29] the new patio area with pergola that they're
[1:57:30] planning. Again
[1:57:32] this was a zone
[1:57:35] change request. We did send out
[1:57:38] notifications within 200
[1:57:41] feet. Additional courtesy within 800
[1:57:42] feet and received no responses. And
[1:57:44] we do have conditions,
[1:57:46] so staff is recommending approval of
[1:57:47] the request
[1:57:50] subject to the following conditions. One
[1:57:51] that
[1:57:53] there may be additional
[1:57:55] comments during the building, comment. Two
[1:57:56] that a replat will
[1:58:00] be required and recorded prior
[1:58:01] to building permit. Three that if
[1:58:03] tree mitigation fees
[1:58:06] are not waived that
[1:58:09] the mitigation fees be
[1:58:11] paid prior to plat recordation. Three,
[1:58:14] to allow staff to administratively
[1:58:17] approve my changes related to the landscaping
[1:58:19] in the 30-foot gas easement. Five that
[1:58:21] a
[1:58:24] signage must comply with the
[1:58:25] city ordnances. And six, a downstream
[1:58:27] drainage analysis will be
[1:58:30] required in order to
[1:58:31] determine whether storm water detention
[1:58:33] is needed. I'm
[1:58:35] going to go through item 10. Item
[1:58:36] 10
[1:58:37] is essentially the companion piece. So
[1:58:39] it's
[1:58:42] a plat, the plat
[1:58:43] to create two lots which includes extending
[1:58:45] plot one
[1:58:47] to be used for the additional parking
[1:58:48] and lot two
[1:58:49] will consistent of the existing gas
[1:58:51] well
[1:58:52] and the remainder of the existing tract. So
[1:58:54] the one
[1:58:57] in yellow is
[1:59:00] the new lot
[1:59:03] for the samaritan's first
[1:59:06] expansion.
[1:59:09] and
[1:59:11] again, this is the companion piece. So
[1:59:12] in
[1:59:15] terms
[1:59:17] of recommendation, staff recommends
[1:59:20] approval of the samaritan's purse fellowship
[1:59:22] addition replat. That additional comments
[1:59:24] may be
[1:59:25] generated upon detail engineering
[1:59:26] permit reviews. That's the end of
[1:59:27] my presentation and the applicant is
[1:59:30] here in the audience as well if
[1:59:31] you have any questions.
[1:59:32] >> okay. Thank
[1:59:33] you mary. Two
[1:59:36] questions, you think
[1:59:39] you can go back to the
[1:59:41] conditions. One tree mitigation fees
[1:59:45] are if they're not
[1:59:48] waived the mitigation
[1:59:50] --so the applicant is requesting waving
[1:59:51] of the mitigation.
[1:59:52] >> yes. >>
[1:59:53] what's the reason for that?
[1:59:54] >> I guess
[1:59:55] you can ask
[1:59:56] them.
[1:59:57] >> did they express any concern
[1:59:58] to staff.
[1:59:59] >> no they just
[2:00:00] said that they were asking for
[2:00:02] waiver of the fees.
[2:00:03] >> and then with
[2:00:04] regards to administratively
[2:00:05] approve the changes on landscaping,
[2:00:06] if we were
[2:00:08] to remove that. What would be required? They
[2:00:12] would have to come through the
[2:00:14] planning zoning commission again?
[2:00:15] >>
[2:00:16] yeah, we're just
[2:00:18] asking because, with
[2:00:20] the easement there, we may need to
[2:00:21] kind
[2:00:23] of jockey where the trees are located. Maybe
[2:00:24] not
[2:00:26] necessarily have them spaced accordingly. We may
[2:00:27] have
[2:00:29] to group them in other areas. It just
[2:00:30] allows us some flexibility
[2:00:32] so we don't have to come back to say
[2:00:33] hey
[2:00:36] this isn't working, now we
[2:00:38] have to do this.
[2:00:39] >> understood there. The
[2:00:40] elevations, the proposed three
[2:00:41] story building, how does the height
[2:00:42] of that,
[2:00:45] does it align
[2:00:47] with the height of the current building?
[2:00:48] >>
[2:00:49] I think the
[2:00:50] current building might be a little bit shorter
[2:00:51] but
[2:00:54] everything around there
[2:00:57] is light industrial. And it
[2:01:00] backs
[2:01:03] up to like citigroup
[2:01:05] vine.
[2:01:06] >> --city grapevine. >> so there's nothing
[2:01:07] that.
[2:01:08] >> right, right. >>
[2:01:09] the waving of the tree mitigation
[2:01:12] that's not part of this for planning
[2:01:13] and
[2:01:14] zoning to approve. It's not part of
[2:01:15] this application.
[2:01:16] >> any fee
[2:01:18] is not part of
[2:01:19] your purview so that will go straight
[2:01:21] to city council.
[2:01:22] >>
[2:01:24] so mary, if it's not part of our purview
[2:01:25] why is it brought
[2:01:27] up before
[2:01:30] us.
[2:01:31] >> it's
[2:01:32] just part of the conditions.
[2:01:33] >> okay. Any other
[2:01:36] questions of staff? In
[2:01:37] the cross-examination. Okay. Thank
[2:01:39] you. Is the applicant
[2:01:43] here? Mrs. Campbell to present the
[2:01:51] case. Mr. Campbell.
[2:01:52] >> yes
[2:01:54] I'm craig yancy. 1201 creek view
[2:01:56] drive for samaritan's first coppell. Good
[2:01:57] to see some
[2:01:59] familiar faces.
[2:02:00] >> it's been a while. >>
[2:02:01] yeah. It's been
[2:02:03] about 15 I
[2:02:06] think. I'm glad to answer any questions.
[2:02:07] >>
[2:02:08] okay. It's not within our purview but
[2:02:09] why are
[2:02:10] we requesting waving of the tree mitigation.
[2:02:11] >>
[2:02:12] sure we asked for them last time
[2:02:15] as well. And it was denied. I think
[2:02:18] it was a split vote. But samaritan
[2:02:19] first
[2:02:20] is a global ministry and if you, obviously
[2:02:21] the intent
[2:02:24] of the preordnance is for
[2:02:27] a developer to
[2:02:28] preserve trees wherever possible. And
[2:02:29] to, supplement the parks department
[2:02:30] to replace those trees
[2:02:33] and where they
[2:02:36] can be planted.
[2:02:39] I
[2:02:42] totally understand that. It would
[2:02:43] be,
[2:02:45] it is a global ministry and
[2:02:47] it is a faith based organization. If
[2:02:48] this was
[2:02:51] a regular develop. We would not ask
[2:02:52] to waive
[2:02:54] it.
[2:02:55] >> is samaritans purse were ever
[2:02:56] to leave
[2:02:57] this location, those trees would be
[2:02:58] brought down
[2:02:59] and another development came in and
[2:03:03] if it were waived, then we would,
[2:03:06] lose the trees. I guess, it's not within
[2:03:08] my purview.
[2:03:09] >> I don't mind telling
[2:03:10] you. I think if
[2:03:12] their 40 years of existence
[2:03:15] they never sold real estate any where. And
[2:03:16] you
[2:03:18] know, the flip side as well
[2:03:21] that it's owned by fellowship church. At
[2:03:23] any time fellowship church could have
[2:03:24] developed it for church
[2:03:27] use and there would
[2:03:30] not be any mitigation fees
[2:03:33] because churches are
[2:03:36] completely excluded. I'm sure you
[2:03:37] would correct
[2:03:39] me if I'm wrong.
[2:03:40] >> this is just more
[2:03:41] of
[2:03:42] a curiosity question. So would putting
[2:03:43] the new building
[2:03:45] there and you're removing I think mary
[2:03:47] said 71 parking spaces but you're adding
[2:03:48] in 130
[2:03:50] something. I don't remember the number. Why
[2:03:51] the additional spaces?
[2:03:52] >>
[2:03:54] when we first looked at this,
[2:03:57] this was all driven by needing a place
[2:03:59] to put cloud support, it people. So
[2:04:02] and we're totally out of office space
[2:04:03] in the building. And so that wasn't
[2:04:06] an option to keep building out space
[2:04:08] in the building. They even discussed
[2:04:09] doing two floors in the building and
[2:04:10] I told them
[2:04:13] you would have to be out of
[2:04:16] here
[2:04:21] for a year while we remodeled it
[2:04:25] and it would be
[2:04:28] cry --crazy money. We went
[2:04:30] to --the last manhole for sanitary
[2:04:31] sewer is
[2:04:33] right at that bend creek view. So I
[2:04:34] had
[2:04:37] to run 200
[2:04:40] feet
[2:04:41] when we built the first building. The
[2:04:43] private sewer
[2:04:46] line was put so they
[2:04:48] could develop on bethel road. Dbt
[2:04:51] has been acquired by proledges. Prolodges
[2:04:55] is very nice to us. They've
[2:04:56] been a temporary landlord and we love
[2:04:58] prolodges but we have
[2:04:59] been unable to get permission from
[2:05:01] them to use their
[2:05:02] sanitary sewer line. I don't blame
[2:05:04] them. If ever they would
[2:05:06] ask me, I would say no. I don't want
[2:05:07] a tenant
[2:05:10] calling me with a problem
[2:05:13] and I have this
[2:05:14] other guy calling me about it. We're
[2:05:16] given up on
[2:05:19] that. And we're not
[2:05:22] upset about it. But
[2:05:25] this lot
[2:05:26] is undeveloppable without sewer. The
[2:05:28] most logical thing
[2:05:30] to do is put parking there. We located
[2:05:31] the building so
[2:05:32] it would make all the existing driveways
[2:05:34] align and so everything just worked
[2:05:36] out. That's how I ended up with 35
[2:05:37] feet between the truck
[2:05:39] work fence and the wall of this building. Since
[2:05:42] that becomes kind of an ugly space
[2:05:43] looking at
[2:05:46] the front court. That's how we
[2:05:49] got down the road of
[2:05:52] let's do some
[2:05:54] really nice landscaping, a pergola and
[2:05:55] try to make
[2:05:58] it an amenity. So that's how
[2:06:01] we got here.
[2:06:02] >> why the
[2:06:04] additional spaces.
[2:06:05] >>
[2:06:06] yeah, sure. During shoe box collection season,
[2:06:07] sorry,
[2:06:08] samaritan collects about 1,200 shoe boxes
[2:06:10] with a gift for children. I
[2:06:12] don't know if you're familiar with
[2:06:15] that. Coppell does about 10% of those
[2:06:16] it's
[2:06:17] a great distribution center. Those volunteers
[2:06:19] that come. Some
[2:06:22] of them come by bus. Some come
[2:06:25] car pooling. But in
[2:06:27] some cases we do shuttle people from
[2:06:28] a
[2:06:31] remote parking lot
[2:06:34] to shuttle
[2:06:36] them in during volunteer season. It's
[2:06:37] just
[2:06:39] mayhem really from thanksgiving to
[2:06:40] christmas. Then it's down
[2:06:41] to, the 50 people on staff. Half of
[2:06:43] them are disaster people and they're
[2:06:46] gone. I mean you can walk in there and
[2:06:47] those
[2:06:49] 25 people aren't even
[2:06:52] in the building. So this lot will be
[2:06:54] largely unused for most of the year. There
[2:06:55] are three
[2:06:57] occasions during the year when there's like
[2:06:58] ministry training that happens,
[2:07:00] that will happen at this new building. And
[2:07:01] so,
[2:07:03] part of this goal too is to not have
[2:07:07] to go rent hotel space. This could
[2:07:09] be done here on-site. Then every morning, every employee
[2:07:10] is
[2:07:12] required to go to devotion between
[2:07:13] 8:00
[2:07:16] and 8:30. So there's a quick
[2:07:17] prayer study. Then a missionary reports
[2:07:18] from something overseas and they watch
[2:07:19] a
[2:07:21] video. So that goes on every morning at
[2:07:22] the building. That's another
[2:07:24] reason they wanted the building here. They
[2:07:25] like all our people together so everyone
[2:07:27] has a sense of community there. So
[2:07:28] that the folks that work
[2:07:29] in the building now they're going to
[2:07:31] walk every morning at 8:00 a.m., come
[2:07:33] to this new building and be on the
[2:07:34] first floor. Do
[2:07:37] the
[2:07:40] half hour devotion
[2:07:42] and then go back to work.
[2:07:43] >> okay. I
[2:07:44] missed
[2:07:45] it.
[2:07:46] >> sure, they're going to stay at this
[2:07:47] building.
[2:07:48] >> the
[2:07:49] it people will work in this
[2:07:50] building. The people that I've got working
[2:07:52] here now there's about 40 people I
[2:07:55] guess on staff in the building now. Every
[2:07:56] morning they're
[2:07:58] going to walk to
[2:08:00] the new building. 100 yards, whatever
[2:08:04] it is
[2:08:06] for devotion.
[2:08:07] >> any other questions
[2:08:08] of the applicant? Okay, we may
[2:08:09] call you back for follow up questions. Is
[2:08:10] there anybody that
[2:08:13] would like to speak
[2:08:15] for or against the proposed application? Okay. Seeing
[2:08:16] none
[2:08:19] I will
[2:08:22] close the public
[2:08:24] hearing. Any discussion by the commission? Samit.
[2:08:25] >>
[2:08:26] if
[2:08:28] this parking lot is going to be
[2:08:31] predominantly unused do we need to
[2:08:34] create that much concrete area for, is
[2:08:37] there
[2:08:40] any alternative surfacing that
[2:08:43] won't
[2:08:46] create so much
[2:08:48] heat?
[2:08:49] >> not by our current ordnances. >>
[2:08:50] that is
[2:08:52] a great question. No
[2:08:55] surfaces that
[2:08:58] would
[2:09:00] allow for, permeation of water. Yeah. No,
[2:09:01] okay. So I
[2:09:03] have been to this site for several
[2:09:04] years preparing boxes. And I
[2:09:07] know exactly what you're talking about
[2:09:10] parking. And it, but
[2:09:12] because it's a great effort, and I'm surprised
[2:09:13] that, we couldn't park in
[2:09:16] this building across the street because
[2:09:17] they
[2:09:19] may tow us for a volunteer event. But
[2:09:22] any way, yeah. So I
[2:09:24] get it. It's a great operation. And
[2:09:25] I'm not
[2:09:27] going to speak about the tree mitigation
[2:09:28] but I just
[2:09:31] don't feel --it's not within our
[2:09:33] purview but we must come ply --comply
[2:09:34] with all
[2:09:37] of our ordnances. With
[2:09:43] that is there a
[2:09:49] motion by the commission? Nine
[2:09:55] and 10.
[2:10:01] yeah.
[2:10:04] >> I move
[2:10:07] to approve
[2:10:10] items 1 and 10, consider approval. Samaritans
[2:10:13] purse addition
[2:10:16] lot 1r block
[2:10:19] a
[2:10:22] zoning change request
[2:10:25] from pd26-li
[2:10:27] planned development 2-6 planned industrial. And
[2:10:28] light industrial
[2:10:30] revised light industrial to add a parking
[2:10:31] lot
[2:10:34] for parking
[2:10:37] and updates the existing site
[2:10:39] plan for new, additional 37,699 square
[2:10:40] foot three story professional
[2:10:43] office building. Do I
[2:10:46] need to
[2:10:47] read the whole thing. No, okay. With
[2:10:49] the conditions.
[2:10:50] >> as
[2:10:51] presented.
[2:10:52] >> as presented. >> okay
[2:10:53] we
[2:10:55] have
[2:10:58] a motion.
[2:10:59] >> clarification,
[2:11:01] and also in item 10.
[2:11:02] >>
[2:11:05] and also item
[2:11:08] 10, approval of the replat for
[2:11:09] lot 1r and two. With conditions.
[2:11:10] >>
[2:11:11] so we have a
[2:11:14] motion for items
[2:11:17] 9 and 10
[2:11:20] with conditions as presented. By
[2:11:23] commissioner patel
[2:11:26] is
[2:11:29] there second?
[2:11:30] >> second. >>
[2:11:32] by vice chair blankenship.
[2:11:33] >>
[2:11:35] commissioner dobmeier.
[2:11:36] >> aye. >>
[2:11:38] blankenship.
[2:11:39] >> aye. >>
[2:11:41] haas.
[2:11:42] >> aye. >>
[2:11:44] commissioner
[2:11:47] patel.
[2:11:48] >> aye. >> and commissioner
[2:11:50] bishop.
[2:11:51] >> aye. >>
[2:11:53] all
[2:11:56] approve.
[2:11:57] >>> item 11,
[2:11:58] consider approval of pd-250r26r2-h
[2:11:59] old town addition
[2:12:02] lot
[2:12:05] 4r block d
[2:12:08] a zoning
[2:12:10] change request from pd-250r26r-h planned development. To
[2:12:14] allow for
[2:12:17] a professional or medical
[2:12:20] office
[2:12:23] in addition to the
[2:12:26] retail
[2:12:27] already permitted on the property. At
[2:12:31] the request of diana ahmad being represented by
[2:12:35] bill
[2:12:38] peck of william peck &
[2:12:41] associates and
[2:12:44] we
[2:12:47] have a presentation
[2:12:49] by matthew steer.
[2:12:50] >> commissioners,
[2:12:53] the initial zoning change for the
[2:12:55] live work units was approved in august
[2:12:56] 2022. That was for
[2:12:58] a two story mixed use building with
[2:12:59] retail on the
[2:13:02] first floor. And then we
[2:13:05] would
[2:13:08] allow for two
[2:13:10] residential units on the second floor. Council
[2:13:14] approved a plan
[2:13:17] for a 775 square
[2:13:20] foot ice cream shop,
[2:13:25] on the first floor and then, 2,359
[2:13:26] feet of speck
[2:13:29] of restaurant uses on the
[2:13:32] first floor. That
[2:13:34] could also contain some retail. So
[2:13:38] the cakery has occupied the 759
[2:13:44] feet. So the site is approximately .25
[2:13:47] acres in
[2:13:49] size. Gross square foot gross floor area
[2:13:50] is, 10,200 square
[2:13:53] feet. That
[2:13:56] includes
[2:13:59] the two apartment
[2:14:02] units on
[2:14:05] the second floor. The existing
[2:14:06] is the restaurant and this was 225
[2:14:08] square feet of restaurant
[2:14:11] or retail space. So what they're proposing
[2:14:14] is to allow for this 2,300
[2:14:17] square feet to
[2:14:20] be
[2:14:22] medical or professional office. In
[2:14:23] addition to, restaurant
[2:14:26] or retail use. We sent
[2:14:29] out 19 notices within 200 feet. And
[2:14:32] a 133 within 800 feet received
[2:14:35] no
[2:14:38] responses either in
[2:14:41] favor or opposition. And
[2:14:42] unfortunately, staff is recommending
[2:14:44] denial. Of the requested addition
[2:14:45] of professional
[2:14:46] and medical offices to allowable uses
[2:14:47] on the first
[2:14:50] floor. So sites in the old
[2:14:53] town main street project, that were intended
[2:14:54] to be
[2:14:56] retail, have been
[2:14:59] converted over
[2:15:02] the years to medical
[2:15:04] and professional office uses. This
[2:15:05] property
[2:15:08] was conceptually planned for retail/restaurant uses
[2:15:11] initially. And the current mixed use
[2:15:13] plan development for this property was
[2:15:14] intentionally allowed in this
[2:15:15] instance with two apartments on the
[2:15:17] second floor to maximize the
[2:15:20] use of the property so that we
[2:15:22] could have retail and restaurant uses
[2:15:23] on the
[2:15:26] first floor. And that
[2:15:29] would generate activity in the area. And
[2:15:32] by allowing
[2:15:35] a medical office, or a professional office
[2:15:38] even in this
[2:15:41] 2,300 square foot
[2:15:47] area, that would take a
[2:15:50] way from a potential
[2:15:52] in this general area of old town. That
[2:15:53] concludes
[2:15:54] my presentation. I'll be happy to
[2:15:56] answer
[2:15:59] any questions and the
[2:16:00] applicant is in the audience. I've
[2:16:02] given a statement of
[2:16:05] the reasoning behind her
[2:16:07] request.
[2:16:08] >> okay. Very good. Any questions
[2:16:09] of staff? Sue.
[2:16:10] >>
[2:16:11] so matt, if this commission were to
[2:16:12] approve this, are there
[2:16:14] any
[2:16:17] staff conditions that
[2:16:20] would go along with that approval?
[2:16:21] >>
[2:16:22] no.
[2:16:23] >>
[2:16:24] thank you.
[2:16:25] >> because you're simply adding
[2:16:26] other
[2:16:29] land uses.
[2:16:30] >> correct, correct. We're
[2:16:32] just adding this professional
[2:16:35] medical office to the acceptable
[2:16:38] use.
[2:16:39] >> okay. As bob said all the
[2:16:41] former would apply.
[2:16:42] >>
[2:16:44] I heard live-work in there. Is this truly
[2:16:45] mixed
[2:16:47] use.
[2:16:48] >> this is truly mixed use. Did
[2:16:50] I say live work.
[2:16:51] >> I heard
[2:16:53] live work in there some where.
[2:16:54] >> oh,
[2:16:55] I
[2:16:56] apologize.
[2:16:57] >> is
[2:16:59] the applicant here to present the case.
[2:17:06] >>
[2:17:09] my name is diana ahmad. I'm the
[2:17:12] property
[2:17:18] owner at 67 main street.
[2:17:21] I also reside
[2:17:22] in coppel. I'm requesting to amend the allowed
[2:17:27] usage for
[2:17:28] 750 square feet of my property. The
[2:17:30] total size
[2:17:32] is 10,250 square feet. I'm only referring to
[2:17:33] less than
[2:17:35] 25% of the total square footage. This
[2:17:36] space that I'm
[2:17:39] referring to has been
[2:17:42] vacant for over two years now. During
[2:17:44] these two years and currently ongoing I
[2:17:48] have marketed the space
[2:17:50] for retail use. Spending thousands
[2:17:53] on-sites such as lukenet and co star. I
[2:17:54] have adjusting
[2:17:57] the price, have worked with
[2:18:00] brokers
[2:18:03] but until now have
[2:18:04] not been successful in securing a tenant. At
[2:18:06] the time it's not a lack
[2:18:08] of effort coming from my side it's
[2:18:09] really that
[2:18:12] the current allowed uses are
[2:18:14] not matching the market demand. I
[2:18:15] will continue my
[2:18:16] efforts to obtain a retail restaurant user
[2:18:18] but
[2:18:21] I have had to
[2:18:23] turn away numerous businesses that would
[2:18:27] be classified
[2:18:29] as professional offices or medical
[2:18:30] from
[2:18:32] insurance agencies, chiropractors,
[2:18:33] law firms, wellness
[2:18:35] clinics, and other low intensity tenants. I'm
[2:18:38] 
[2:18:39] use. I'm open
[2:18:40] to conditions such as maintaining
[2:18:42] the glass door front
[2:18:45] design limiting
[2:18:47] some of the medical uses. And ensuring
[2:18:50] the space remains visually consistent
[2:18:51] with retail. Filling the
[2:18:54] vacant space will not only be
[2:18:56] beneficial to achieving the city's
[2:18:57] goals
[2:18:58] of having an active vibrant downtown
[2:19:00] area, it
[2:19:02] will help support the current bakery, and
[2:19:04] neighboring businesses. It will help
[2:19:06] prevent long term vacancy and
[2:19:07] reduce financial burden and align with
[2:19:09] all of our goals for old
[2:19:12] town. Thank you
[2:19:14] and I appreciate your time and consideration.
[2:19:15] >>
[2:19:16] thank you
[2:19:18] very much. Out of curiosity you mentioned that
[2:19:21] you have
[2:19:22] been courting other retail or restaurants. What
[2:19:24] was their
[2:19:27] reason
[2:19:29] for not signing on the dotted line?
[2:19:30] >>
[2:19:32] yes, so, there's a few reasons. For
[2:19:33] one, for example franchises
[2:19:36] I reached out to so many of them
[2:19:38] and their main concern is there's
[2:19:41] not enough car traffic that goes through old
[2:19:42] town
[2:19:45] coppell. When
[2:19:48] they say what is
[2:19:51] the average per hour,
[2:19:52] to the two closest cross streets. They
[2:19:54] have an app
[2:19:56] that will tell them. Even if I tell
[2:19:57] them we're crazy busy on
[2:19:59] saturday. I tell them there's a lot
[2:20:00] of opportunity because there's not
[2:20:02] too many options in the evening in
[2:20:03] that
[2:20:04] area or on the weekends. So that they
[2:20:06] can bring the life to the area. It's
[2:20:08] kind of in the center of old town. It
[2:20:09] can be a
[2:20:12] family hang out. You know all these
[2:20:15] things. So you know for
[2:20:18] a
[2:20:19] bigger franchises, it's not busy enough.
[2:20:21] and actually
[2:20:23] I everyone asked starbucks. I told
[2:20:24] them,
[2:20:27] you have the location at
[2:20:28] tom thumb that doesn't count. There's
[2:20:30] been a couple of
[2:20:31] first generation restaurants. So there's
[2:20:33] been a couple of people that
[2:20:36] have come and said okay I'm
[2:20:39] ready to sign the lease. And as you
[2:20:41] know, a responsible, you know property owner,
[2:20:42] when I start
[2:20:45] talking to them. You need to
[2:20:46] start thinking of your design. And
[2:20:48] you know, all
[2:20:49] these different things. When they
[2:20:51] start to actually go into the process,
[2:20:52] they have a concept, they're excited. You
[2:20:54] know the area
[2:20:57] looks like it would match
[2:20:59] their concept but when they start to
[2:21:00] go saying I need
[2:21:02] to pay for drawings. I need to get
[2:21:06] permits. I need to
[2:21:08] have license, people doing the work. You
[2:21:09] know things like
[2:21:11] that, they sometimes will shy away, you
[2:21:12] know. But I
[2:21:15] would say, you know and I live in
[2:21:16] coppell. I
[2:21:18] would love for there to be a really
[2:21:20] nice retail and restaurant place. I
[2:21:21] have friends that
[2:21:22] live right across the street. If I
[2:21:24] go to a nice restaurant I will
[2:21:27] ask for the owner. I will
[2:21:29] say hey why don't you come here. I've
[2:21:30] given so
[2:21:33] many tours to restaurant groups. And
[2:21:35] then even one guy he's like, well,
[2:21:36] I'll put a
[2:21:38] crumble cookie there, I said we have
[2:21:39] a bakery next door. Give
[2:21:42] me something else to
[2:21:44] work with. I really am trying and
[2:21:45] I'm still trying
[2:21:48] for that. I think because there are professional
[2:21:49] offices
[2:21:51] and kind of medical already in old town,
[2:21:52] that's
[2:21:53] what's driving those businesses to
[2:21:54] approach me. Because they
[2:21:57] see that it's already in the area. I
[2:22:00] think that's maybe why I'm you know
[2:22:01] getting
[2:22:03] more approached on that side than on retail
[2:22:04] or
[2:22:05] restaurant. And unfortunately I would
[2:22:06] say majority of the retail
[2:22:09] that have come are businesses that I don't
[2:22:12] feel are right for old town coppell. You
[2:22:15] know from even I think I've mentioned
[2:22:16] a
[2:22:18] previous, there's been cbd shops. There's
[2:22:19] been
[2:22:21] a lady,
[2:22:24] she actually makes it's
[2:22:29] bakery out of medical phaeurpb. --
[2:22:34] marijuana. She works with kids. There's
[2:22:39] been two tattoo artists. One massage
[2:22:40] parlor. Some of these businesses
[2:22:42] that just want to find a place
[2:22:45] any where that could be in
[2:22:48] a town. Even they'll market
[2:22:51] as high end. Even the cbd shop
[2:22:54] that has vapes at 200, $300. And
[2:22:57] I said there's high
[2:23:00] school kids I don't need
[2:23:03] them to hang out just doing cbd. They
[2:23:04] said,
[2:23:05] no, these are for the adults. I have
[2:23:06] a cigar shop that wanted
[2:23:09] to be in the building. We have residents
[2:23:12] upstairs. Some of these things are
[2:23:13] kind of the barrier. But
[2:23:15] still, I am still working with a couple of
[2:23:16] restaurants and
[2:23:18] retail and trying to see if
[2:23:21] they can come. Most of the brokers
[2:23:22] that
[2:23:23] do specialize in retail and restaurant,
[2:23:24] they'll tell
[2:23:27] me if they're going
[2:23:30] to come to coppell they would rather
[2:23:32] be on denton because of that traffic. In
[2:23:34] old town, people
[2:23:35] who aren't familiar with old town. They
[2:23:37] don't even
[2:23:38] know it's there, in a way. Unless
[2:23:40] you're from coppell
[2:23:42] in a way. I don't know if maybe there should
[2:23:46] be more marketing
[2:23:47] for the farmers market outside of coppell. Because
[2:23:50] I don't know anybody that lives outside
[2:23:52] of coppell that
[2:23:53] really knows about it. On my side, I'm
[2:23:55] really trying. I don't
[2:23:57] know what to do. When we first had
[2:23:59] the building zoned for retail and
[2:24:01] then I thought, we
[2:24:02] originally had it zoned I thought
[2:24:04] it was already zoned for
[2:24:07] restaurant. And so I had signed
[2:24:08] a lease with an ice cream shop. Then
[2:24:10] they came to
[2:24:12] the city and the city said no and
[2:24:13] said it's actually only retail. That
[2:24:16] was
[2:24:19] at the end of october. I
[2:24:22] signed that lease. I paid
[2:24:23] the commission. They spent tons of
[2:24:25] money on the design and
[2:24:28] so forth. But they didn't
[2:24:29] have everything they needed design for
[2:24:31] like november. December you
[2:24:34] guys, there was not a
[2:24:37] meeting for the
[2:24:40] holiday. I had signed in october. And
[2:24:41] via the agreement, by the end of january, they
[2:24:43] were everything was supposed to be set
[2:24:46] up for them to
[2:24:48] break ground. Like you know do their construction. And
[2:24:50] because we didn't get that january
[2:24:52] meeting, we didn't get the full
[2:24:55] approval. We had to postpone it
[2:24:56] all the way to march because there
[2:24:58] was a variance
[2:25:00] of where's the dumpster going to be
[2:25:01] for
[2:25:03] the restaurant. That delayed it another
[2:25:04] two months. So
[2:25:06] I had to cancel because I was you
[2:25:07] know
[2:25:10] kind of, outside of you know the scope
[2:25:12] of the lease. So I lost thousands
[2:25:13] just for that
[2:25:16] tenant. And then, they
[2:25:18] ended up opening a beautiful location in
[2:25:19] burleson. I stayed in
[2:25:22] touch. I said open your
[2:25:24] second location. You know. But it's
[2:25:25] now
[2:25:27] too far. They're doing well and coppell is
[2:25:28] really far. So
[2:25:31] I'm just giving
[2:25:34] examples
[2:25:37] of things that have happened, right. You
[2:25:39] know, on there. But yeah.
[2:25:40] >> so you've
[2:25:41] had several almost
[2:25:43] signed and in the
[2:25:46] end it became
[2:25:47] a hardship working through the process.
[2:25:48] >>
[2:25:49] yes.
[2:25:50] >> interesting. >> for that
[2:25:52] one example. But not in
[2:25:55] general, I mean. In general the city
[2:25:58] is always helpful and
[2:25:59] cooperative. I'm not complaining or anything
[2:26:01] like that. But I'm just
[2:26:04] pointing
[2:26:07] out
[2:26:10] kind of some
[2:26:13] of the things that happened.
[2:26:14] >> okay
[2:26:15] so, for potentially opening to include professional
[2:26:16] or
[2:26:19] medical offices, you
[2:26:22] say you're going to restrict high traffic,
[2:26:24] high intensity medical use such as urgent
[2:26:25] facilities. What
[2:26:27] other types of uses would you restrict?
[2:26:28] >>
[2:26:29] I mean
[2:26:31] if there was something you
[2:26:32] felt didn't align with coppell. You
[2:26:34] know
[2:26:37] with old town,
[2:26:39] you know I wouldn't have a problem. If
[2:26:40] there
[2:26:41] was opposition for medical, is it
[2:26:43] because there's certain medical
[2:26:45] practices you don't like what they
[2:26:46] do or what entails. I didn't know
[2:26:49] if there was something specific
[2:26:51] that you don't like about professional offices
[2:26:52] or medical that
[2:26:55] you would be concerned
[2:26:58] about. But that's why I
[2:26:59] said I wouldn't mind like having conditions. Still
[2:27:01] make
[2:27:03] it look like retail. Friendly for
[2:27:04] people to
[2:27:05] pass by and so forth. Even having
[2:27:06] these allowed uses doesn't mean I'm
[2:27:07] not going
[2:27:09] to have a restaurant or retail. I
[2:27:10] mean
[2:27:13] we do have a grease trap
[2:27:16] in place and so forth. But you know, and
[2:27:17] actually like
[2:27:19] to address like saying you want
[2:27:22] to have more
[2:27:25] abg activity in
[2:27:28] the evenings and weekends. There have
[2:27:29] been
[2:27:31] a few breakfast places that have come. Even if
[2:27:34] they were there. They
[2:27:37] wouldn't
[2:27:40] increase the traffic in the evening. But
[2:27:43] keeping it,
[2:27:46] it's
[2:27:49] not
[2:27:51] fair for our neighbors that are professional
[2:27:52] restaurant and retail. Even for
[2:27:54] our baker, they would like to have
[2:27:55] someone next
[2:27:58] door to bake for.
[2:27:59] >> so being an
[2:28:01] owner there, you're
[2:28:03] familiar with what works. What doesn't
[2:28:04] work. And there was
[2:28:06] a restaurant behind the twisted root.
[2:28:07] I don't know
[2:28:09] if that ever took off or whatever. But
[2:28:10] you've seen
[2:28:13] things come and go. So
[2:28:15] you're looking for a little flexibility. And
[2:28:16] if there
[2:28:19] was an office or medical office,
[2:28:21] you're still trying to recruit a retail
[2:28:22] or restaurant.
[2:28:23] >> yes. >>
[2:28:25] what kind of leases would you be
[2:28:27] signing. A year lease or something. So
[2:28:28] that you're
[2:28:30] still bringing in the opportunity
[2:28:31] for a restaurant or retail?
[2:28:32] >> so
[2:28:34] the nice part is
[2:28:37] with office space and so forth. It's
[2:28:39] easily, you can easily convert office
[2:28:40] space into retail or
[2:28:42] restaurant. If they wanted to do a
[2:28:43] short term
[2:28:45] lease. There's no problem with that. You
[2:28:46] know
[2:28:48] because it can easily be converted
[2:28:49] exactly if a
[2:28:50] good restaurant comes or something. But
[2:28:52] if I'm
[2:28:54] signing for a restaurant. Obviously
[2:28:55] we're going to look for
[2:28:57] five, 10 yearlong term leases would
[2:28:58] be favorable. Because you're
[2:29:01] going to be, it's new construction. So the
[2:29:02] walls, the
[2:29:03] bathroom, the kitchen, it's going
[2:29:04] to be stuff if there's
[2:29:07] a restaurant. And that's also one thing
[2:29:08] too. You want a restaurant
[2:29:09] that's going to do well. Because they're
[2:29:10] going to
[2:29:12] be spending a lot. The building will
[2:29:13] be
[2:29:15] altered so you want something that's going
[2:29:16] to make sense for the building
[2:29:19] and for the area. But I'm very flexible. I
[2:29:20] mean,
[2:29:22] if any of you guys have a side business
[2:29:23] as
[2:29:24] a restaurant you want to come. We'll
[2:29:25] take care of
[2:29:26] you. It's a great location.
[2:29:27] >> maybe
[2:29:28] an ice cream shop. But
[2:29:31] I might be
[2:29:34] nervous taking it through the
[2:29:37] process.
[2:29:38] >> no. No. Okay. Thank you for
[2:29:40] your presentation. Are
[2:29:43] there any
[2:29:46] questions of
[2:29:49] the applicant? Okay. Kent.
[2:29:50] >>
[2:29:52] is the, does the artsy cakery. Does
[2:29:53] that
[2:29:55] generate foot traffic or is it
[2:29:58] just uber eats.
[2:29:59] >> they're
[2:30:01] not a bakery. They custom cakes. But
[2:30:03] they do have cup cakes. Everything
[2:30:04] she makes is delicious. A little bit
[2:30:07] of
[2:30:09] traffic comes and so forth. But unfortunately,
[2:30:10] it's not that they're
[2:30:12] going to be there too long or something.
[2:30:13] >>
[2:30:14] how long have they
[2:30:15] been there at that facility?
[2:30:16] >> it's
[2:30:17] almost
[2:30:20] going to
[2:30:23] be, since
[2:30:25] they started construction almost two years.
[2:30:26] >>
[2:30:29] can I comment on that.
[2:30:30] >>
[2:30:31] yeah.
[2:30:32] >> yeah. Sure. >> I love that
[2:30:33] place. Artsy cakery
[2:30:34] when we walk our dog through old town,
[2:30:35] we'll stop there
[2:30:37] and get a couple of cookies and eat them
[2:30:38] outside. They
[2:30:41] have
[2:30:44] a couple of outside tables. I
[2:30:47] just think their food is really
[2:30:49] good.
[2:30:50] >> okay. >> and actually the
[2:30:53] owner
[2:30:56] for artsy
[2:30:59] cakery
[2:31:01] she had mentioned some cup cake shortening. It's
[2:31:02] always great. Any
[2:31:05] business that will be
[2:31:06] in my building. I will help promote
[2:31:09] it. Any food, restaurant. Any sort
[2:31:11] of business. My daughter is
[2:31:13] in high school, she's in varsity tennis. Any
[2:31:17] time there's
[2:31:20] an event and they
[2:31:23] say we need
[2:31:25] desserts I do say use artsy cakery. They
[2:31:26] do
[2:31:27] have some areas that they use. But
[2:31:29] I tell that to businesses all
[2:31:32] the time. You know,
[2:31:34] that I will be pushing it. And I'm
[2:31:36] on three tennis teams in coppell. So
[2:31:38] all the ladies
[2:31:41] on my team and
[2:31:43] so forth. They've all bought from
[2:31:44] artsy cakery. If there's
[2:31:46] a restaurant there. They will all
[2:31:47] support
[2:31:50] it. They will be
[2:31:51] there. That's the nice thing about coppell. We
[2:31:53] like to have
[2:31:55] the services and food in town. That's
[2:31:59] the sad part of not finding
[2:32:00] the right restaurant yet, you know.
[2:32:01] >>
[2:32:02] I have questions.
[2:32:03] >>
[2:32:04] sure.
[2:32:05] >> besides the bakery and then there's
[2:32:06] the residential
[2:32:07] on top and two different units. Are those
[2:32:08] both leased.
[2:32:09] >> yes
[2:32:10] the two apartments are both leased
[2:32:11] for two
[2:32:14] years and the bakery.
[2:32:15] >>
[2:32:17] 75% of the building is already leased.
[2:32:18] >>
[2:32:19] yes. And those apartments both of them
[2:32:20] leased out
[2:32:22] within five days of being listed with
[2:32:23] an agent.
[2:32:24] >>
[2:32:25] so you won't have any problem leasing
[2:32:26] those out.
[2:32:27] >> yeah, yeah. There's
[2:32:28] a few people that have told me that
[2:32:29] the
[2:32:32] leases end, they
[2:32:35] would love to go. They're
[2:32:38] really
[2:32:41] beautiful. Very
[2:32:43] high end. Tall ceilings. There's a
[2:32:44] vacancy if you're interested
[2:32:46] let me know.
[2:32:47] >> this is a public hearing
[2:32:48] is there
[2:32:50] anyone who would like to speak for
[2:32:52] or against the proposed application? Okay. I'm
[2:32:53] not going
[2:32:56] to close
[2:32:58] the public hearing just yet. As authorized
[2:32:59] by
[2:33:02] section 551.071 of the texas
[2:33:03] local government code, I'm requesting
[2:33:05] that we recess into executive
[2:33:08] session. I have some questions
[2:33:11] of our city attorney to
[2:33:12] address. So, the time is, 8:35. And
[2:33:14] we'll try to make it quick.
[2:51:33] >>> the time
[2:51:36] is 8:54 and we are now back
[2:51:39] into general session. I left the
[2:51:40] public hearing open on purpose. Is
[2:51:42] there anybody who would like to
[2:51:45] speak from the
[2:51:46] public for or against the proposed application? Okay,
[2:51:48] I
[2:51:51] will close the
[2:51:53] public hearing. Does the commission
[2:51:57] request the applicant for any
[2:51:58] final questions? Okay. Is there any
[2:52:00] discussion
[2:52:06] by the commission? Is there a
[2:52:12] motion by the
[2:52:21] commission? Okay.
[2:52:22] >>
[2:52:24] I motion denial of
[2:52:27] the requested addition of the professional
[2:52:28] medical offices to
[2:52:30] be
[2:52:31] allowable uses on the first floor. Not
[2:52:33] subject to staff.
[2:52:34] >>
[2:52:36] that's correct. So we have
[2:52:39] a motion to deny the
[2:52:40] proposed application. Commissioner
[2:52:41] blankenship is there a second.
[2:52:42] >>
[2:52:43] I
[2:52:45] will second.
[2:52:46] >>
[2:52:51] we have a second by commissioner
[2:52:55] patel.
[2:52:56] >> commissioner dobmeier. >>
[2:53:06] aye.
[2:53:07] >> blankenship. >> aye. >>
[2:53:18] commissioner haas.
[2:53:19] >> aye. >> you
[2:53:21] can appeal,
[2:53:22] it would require supermajority but
[2:53:24] we do recommend that.
[2:53:25] >>> item
[2:53:27] 12 this evening
[2:53:30] is
[2:53:32] a public hearing to consider approval
[2:53:33] of
[2:53:36] pd-214r10-c. The
[2:53:39] shops
[2:53:42] at sandy lake. Zoning change request from pd-214r2
[2:53:43] --
[2:53:45] c to r10
[2:53:48] --
[2:53:51] c to allow for the detailed
[2:53:53] planned development for 14,418 commercial
[2:53:54] center and a
[2:53:57] patio area on 2.03 acres of property located
[2:54:00] at the
[2:54:02] south side of sandy lake road. Approximately
[2:54:03] 560 feet
[2:54:06] west of denton
[2:54:09] tap
[2:54:12] road
[2:54:15] at the
[2:54:17] request of pete coppell. Being represented by
[2:54:18] d.r. Rankin
[2:54:21] pllc.
[2:54:22] >>
[2:54:25] can we include the replat
[2:54:28] of that.
[2:54:29] >> commissioner hafmann
[2:54:30] beat you to that. To consider approval
[2:54:31] of
[2:54:33] the shops at sandy lake addition lot one
[2:54:37] block a
[2:54:43] replat. The shops at sandy
[2:54:46] lake. A replat to revise
[2:54:49] the current plat and associated
[2:54:50] easements and fire lane configuration
[2:54:52] on 2.03
[2:54:54] acres of property located at the south
[2:54:57] side of sandy lake road approximately
[2:54:58] 56 to feet
[2:55:01] west
[2:55:04] of
[2:55:07] denton tap road at
[2:55:10] the request of
[2:55:11] peak coppell llc being represented
[2:55:12] by spooner and associates.
[2:55:13] >> this
[2:55:16] property was
[2:55:18] part of a larger development that included
[2:55:21] the development of arbor manors and
[2:55:25] tap and sandy lake
[2:55:26] road. The additional zoning was approved
[2:55:28] in 2007, with subsequent
[2:55:31] rezonings
[2:55:34] occurring with each detailed
[2:55:37] site plan for the commercial
[2:55:41] sites. This represents the final commercial
[2:55:46] piece to
[2:55:49] be developed. So what we're
[2:55:52] looking at on the left
[2:55:55] is the
[2:55:57] original pd. Concept versus the current
[2:56:01] proposal on
[2:56:03] the right. So the original pd shows
[2:56:04] two buildings out front adjacent to
[2:56:07] sandy lake with
[2:56:10] parking at the rear of the
[2:56:12] property. The current proposal has
[2:56:13] one building with a parking
[2:56:16] with one building toward the
[2:56:19] rear of the property
[2:56:22] and parking with
[2:56:23] the majority out front. The original
[2:56:25] pd shows,
[2:56:27] a driveway entrance on the west end
[2:56:28] side. The
[2:56:30] new proposal will also have a driveway
[2:56:31] on
[2:56:34] the west side but this will
[2:56:37] be
[2:56:40] in contingent with the
[2:56:42] verizon property. So they'll share
[2:56:43] one
[2:56:45] driveway. The original proposal showed
[2:56:46] a driveway entrance off
[2:56:49] of on the
[2:56:52] east side that goes
[2:56:54] into the hoa property for arbor manors. This
[2:56:55] current
[2:56:58] proposal does not share any type of
[2:57:01] driveway with
[2:57:03] the arbor manors and has there's no access
[2:57:07] to that drive or street
[2:57:10] approach. It will have a
[2:57:13] separate entrance
[2:57:16] off of sandy
[2:57:19] lake. So there we
[2:57:22] go. So the site is
[2:57:24] currently vacant. And the site plan
[2:57:25] shows
[2:57:27] 14,480 square foot proposed building will
[2:57:31] contain a mix
[2:57:32] of uses including retail, restaurant
[2:57:34] and medical. An outdoor patio is
[2:57:37] proposed on the western
[2:57:40] side of the building. There's a
[2:57:43] pd condition to allow the 500 square
[2:57:45] foot patio area without additional parking
[2:57:46] requirements. This
[2:57:48] has been approved in other developments. Any
[2:57:52] square footage over 500 square
[2:57:55] feet will require additional
[2:57:58] parking. There will be a driveway entrance
[2:57:59] from
[2:58:01] sandy lake road and a secondary
[2:58:04] shared access point from
[2:58:07] the neighboring verizon
[2:58:10] building to
[2:58:13] the west. There are two trash receptacles
[2:58:14] situated away from the residences. So
[2:58:15] during the initial proposal they actually
[2:58:16] had the trash cans on
[2:58:18] the rear of the property and we asked
[2:58:22] them
[2:58:24] to move it away from the residential. There's
[2:58:25] an
[2:58:26] existing 6-foot masonry screening
[2:58:31] wall between this and the residential
[2:58:34] property to
[2:58:37] the south. So here, we're
[2:58:39] looking at the building elevations. It's
[2:58:40] just around 19 feet
[2:58:43] with a wall at the front
[2:58:46] varying in height from
[2:58:49] 20 to 25 feet. Creating some
[2:58:52] articulation. The trash enclosures
[2:58:55] will match the building material
[2:58:58] as well. Building
[2:59:04] will be a combination of
[2:59:10] brick, aluminum store front. As
[2:59:13] I mentioned in terms
[2:59:15] of restaurant there is no drive-thru
[2:59:16] proposed. And they
[2:59:18] do have a monument signed proposed
[2:59:19] along
[2:59:22] sandy lake road. Which
[2:59:25] will share the
[2:59:26] same building materials as the building
[2:59:28] itself. So
[2:59:31] there's no signage presented for the
[2:59:34] buildings. Any proposed signage will
[2:59:37] need to comply with city requirements. Here
[2:59:39] we're looking at the landscaping. There'll
[2:59:40] be a 20-foot landscaping
[2:59:43] strip along sandy lake road and 15
[2:59:44] to 20
[2:59:45] feet along the southern perimeter. The
[2:59:46] eastern
[2:59:49] perimeter will see a large number
[2:59:50] of trees being preserved. Additional
[2:59:52] trees along the southern
[2:59:55] perimeter wall will also be preserved. In
[2:59:56] total
[2:59:58] 39 existing trees will be
[3:00:01] saved on-site. An
[3:00:04] additional 30
[3:00:07] trees will be planted on-site. And
[3:00:10] we also ask
[3:00:12] them to, create some more buffer screening
[3:00:13] where we have
[3:00:16] the parking at
[3:00:19] the rear of
[3:00:22] the site. So 36
[3:00:25] will be planted to provide
[3:00:26] additional screening along the perimeter. Now
[3:00:28] this
[3:00:31] is a zone change request. We
[3:00:34] did mail out notices. 26 within
[3:00:37] 200 feet. Additional 120 courtesy notices
[3:00:38] within 800
[3:00:40] feet. We did receive 10
[3:00:43] notices within
[3:00:46] the 200 feet
[3:00:48] in opposition. Additional five within
[3:00:50] the 800 feet. As
[3:00:53] a, general
[3:00:56] summary. I did hand you guys
[3:00:59] a table of their concerns. But
[3:01:00] basically it was increased traffic. Loss
[3:01:02] of the green
[3:01:05] space, decrease in
[3:01:11] the quality of life. And noise
[3:01:15] were the primary concerns. So staff is
[3:01:23] recommending approval of
[3:01:25] pd-214r10-c. Detailed engineering
[3:01:26] review will
[3:01:29] occur at the
[3:01:31] time of if you feel engineering submittal. To
[3:01:35] allow 500 square feet patio area
[3:01:38] per lot within
[3:01:41] the existing
[3:01:44] parking count. Additional pad
[3:01:47] owe
[3:01:50] space will require parking
[3:01:53] at 11:00 square feet. The downstream
[3:01:55] drainage analysis will need to be updated to
[3:01:56] address. I'm
[3:01:59] going to
[3:02:01] go through the plat. The plat is a
[3:02:02] companion item to plat 1a. The
[3:02:04] case that I just went over. The plat
[3:02:05] will
[3:02:08] take the existing lot, replat
[3:02:10] it to include the mutual access. Fire
[3:02:14] lanes and necessary utility
[3:02:17] easements for
[3:02:20] the development of the
[3:02:22] 14,480 square foot commercial. Staff
[3:02:26] is recommending approval of the shops at
[3:02:27] sandy
[3:02:29] lake addition lot 1 block
[3:02:32] a replat. Subject to the
[3:02:33] following conditions. That is the
[3:02:34] end of my application. The applicant is
[3:02:35] here
[3:02:37] as well if you have any questions.
[3:02:38] >>
[3:02:41] thank you mary. A couple of quick
[3:02:44] questions. So, the site
[3:02:45] originally came through. When was
[3:02:47] that?
[3:02:48] >> I believe some where around 2007. >>
[3:02:50] it's about the
[3:02:53] time when I first
[3:02:56] came on. A few days ago. And was
[3:02:59] the, was that all part of the
[3:03:00] entire arbor manors development. It's
[3:03:02] just that the residential went
[3:03:04] first or was this carved out?
[3:03:05] >> so
[3:03:08] when we look
[3:03:11] at, at this drawing up
[3:03:14] here. Can you
[3:03:17] see
[3:03:20] my arrow. My curser.
[3:03:21] >>
[3:03:23] yeah.
[3:03:24] >> everything that's
[3:03:26] outlined here, to here down
[3:03:29] here. Around here. And this, and I
[3:03:32] think yes some down here. This
[3:03:35] is all part of the initial
[3:03:38] development.
[3:03:39] >> okay. >> so,
[3:03:41] this was like
[3:03:42] I think a1, they had different letters. You
[3:03:44] zoom in and you can actually
[3:03:46] see it. So essentially it was always proposed
[3:03:50] that there would
[3:03:53] be some commercial here, here, and here. And
[3:03:56] this is retail. It's just a different
[3:03:59] color. Although these pieces
[3:04:02] were not part of that
[3:04:03] original development. But, you know,
[3:04:05] what's standard or typical
[3:04:07] along a thoroughfare like this is commercial
[3:04:08] development that acts
[3:04:11] as a buffer.
[3:04:12] >> okay. >> so when this
[3:04:14] came in, it was part, this
[3:04:16] was part of it as well. And this,
[3:04:17] and this. And
[3:04:20] this is just the
[3:04:22] last piece to get developed.
[3:04:23] >> okay. Thank
[3:04:24] you. So
[3:04:26] just, you confirmed for
[3:04:29] me that this is already entitled from
[3:04:30] the initial application.
[3:04:31] >>
[3:04:32] so this was the original concept
[3:04:35] plan. They're just comeing
[3:04:36] in with detailed plan.
[3:04:37] >> okay. With
[3:04:38] regards
[3:04:41] to parking can you remind me. Is parking
[3:04:42] equal to
[3:04:44] what's needed on-site or they're not overparked
[3:04:47] in any way are they?
[3:04:48] >> so
[3:04:49] according to what they're proposing,
[3:04:50] they have the
[3:04:52] amount of parking they need.
[3:04:53] >> the
[3:04:54] required amount.
[3:04:55] >> yes. >>
[3:04:56] they're not providing more?
[3:04:57] >> no,
[3:04:58] they might have one extra parking
[3:04:59] maybe a couple.
[3:05:00] >>
[3:05:02] okay.
[3:05:03] >> any other
[3:05:04] questions of staff by the commission? John.
[3:05:05] >>
[3:05:06] yes, so,
[3:05:08] we're not, we're just changing the
[3:05:11] site plan here not the permanent
[3:05:14] use.
[3:05:15] >> so there is, the restaurant portion
[3:05:17] of it. Does require a pd or a
[3:05:20] special use permit because
[3:05:23] it's a pd, it's you know,
[3:05:26] it's just additional use. But
[3:05:29] the, other commercial components are
[3:05:31] allowed by right.
[3:05:32] >> and the current
[3:05:33] plan square footage versus the
[3:05:35] plan the revised do you know what
[3:05:36] that was?
[3:05:37] >> I'm
[3:05:38] not sure if there was an exact number
[3:05:41] for the --
[3:05:42] >> so they're going from
[3:05:43] two buildings.
[3:05:44] >>
[3:05:45] right.
[3:05:46] >> two buildings at street side
[3:05:47] to
[3:05:48] one building offset from street side.
[3:05:49] >>
[3:05:50] right. So
[3:05:51] the main thing is
[3:05:53] going from two buildings to
[3:05:55] one. Basically flipping the site, so
[3:05:56] that the
[3:05:59] parking you know and traffic
[3:06:02] would be along sandy lake versus
[3:06:05] driving along the residential to the rear. And
[3:06:08] the current plan
[3:06:11] it appears contains some sort of an
[3:06:13] excess easement?
[3:06:14] >> correct. >> on
[3:06:15] the east side.
[3:06:16] >> so
[3:06:17] there's a verizon building over here. So
[3:06:18] they would come
[3:06:20] in. Instead of having a
[3:06:23] driveway here and one here, they're just
[3:06:24] sharing one
[3:06:26] driveway here.
[3:06:27] >> so there's no longer
[3:06:28] an easement
[3:06:29] requirement on the east
[3:06:31] side.
[3:06:32] >> so this is the west side. >>
[3:06:33] no I'm
[3:06:34] talking about the east side. In the
[3:06:35] current plan it
[3:06:38] seems there's
[3:06:41] an easement to
[3:06:42] the east going down to arbor manor.
[3:06:43] >> there
[3:06:44] is
[3:06:46] no proposal to go this way. There's
[3:06:47] no easement there.
[3:06:48] >> I'm
[3:06:49] just saying that's --
[3:06:50] >> the original. >>
[3:06:53] the prior plan
[3:06:54] was that, they've taken that away.
[3:06:55] >> right. >> okay, okay thank you. >>
[3:06:56] so that
[3:06:59] way they don't have, they don't
[3:07:03] have people driving through
[3:07:04] the neighborhood either.
[3:07:05] >> sure,
[3:07:06] yeah.
[3:07:07] >>
[3:07:08] and there's no, with this configuration
[3:07:10] there's no drive-thru like they won't have
[3:07:12] a drive-thru restaurant.
[3:07:13] >>
[3:07:15] yeah, okay. Very good. Any other
[3:07:18] questions of staff by the
[3:07:21] commission. Okay,
[3:07:24] is the applicant here
[3:07:30] to present the case.
[3:07:31] >>
[3:07:33] hello
[3:07:37] everyone. Thanks for having us tonight.
[3:07:44] I'm tyler abbey. We build retail centers
[3:07:45] like this all across
[3:07:47] texas. It's pretty common for us because
[3:07:48] of the
[3:07:49] way communities are built in texas
[3:07:51] now where there's
[3:07:52] residential communities and they have
[3:07:53] a commercial component along. So we
[3:07:54] have experience
[3:07:55] with these things and one of the things
[3:07:57] we typically
[3:07:59] tend to do is once we find a site,
[3:08:02] let's see, we're trying to you know align
[3:08:03] a bunch
[3:08:04] of different interests within our
[3:08:06] tenants and we
[3:08:08] want to make sure they can survive. And
[3:08:09] near
[3:08:10] by residents we're trying to align
[3:08:12] all
[3:08:13] these different interests. So when
[3:08:14] we got this site, our first, what
[3:08:15] we were trying to do is
[3:08:17] we want to make sure our product is successful
[3:08:18] but we wanted
[3:08:21] to minimize as much as we
[3:08:22] can the impact on the residents. Moving
[3:08:24] the building away
[3:08:25] in our experience is just the cars
[3:08:26] is what actually cause a lot of the
[3:08:27] disruption. And if
[3:08:29] you have in the front of the building
[3:08:30] when
[3:08:33] you open the front door
[3:08:35] you have the noise coming from there. So
[3:08:39] by flipping the building
[3:08:41] we have the cars and noise blocked
[3:08:42] as much as
[3:08:44] we can. The trees are above code. They're
[3:08:45] not
[3:08:47] required by code but we thought they
[3:08:48] were
[3:08:51] a nice addition as a buffer for the residential homes. The
[3:08:52] access easement going to the west
[3:08:55] I think is a nice improvement. For
[3:08:56] the original plan, in that it gets
[3:08:57] I think
[3:08:58] most people will travel that way to
[3:09:00] the median and they will come in through the
[3:09:03] median I think that will keep people. I
[3:09:06] think that
[3:09:09] will be the more commonly used
[3:09:10] opening. And, yeah, ultimately this
[3:09:12] is, I think maybe the
[3:09:15] biggest thing is we specifically
[3:09:18] chose not to use
[3:09:21] a drive-thru. We don't
[3:09:23] do drive-thrus when there's residential neighborhoods
[3:09:24] like this. Honestly
[3:09:26] never again. That's what we find cause
[3:09:27] the most disruption. These
[3:09:29] are never going to be perfect solutions
[3:09:30] for everyone. Back
[3:09:33] in 2007 when this was zoned, you know
[3:09:34] was chosen to be a commercial site, you know,
[3:09:36] it made
[3:09:39] a lot of sense. I think it makes all the sense now
[3:09:41] given the traffic on sandy lake. This
[3:09:42] is
[3:09:45] a commercial area. But we do understand that there's
[3:09:47] residential near by and there's things
[3:09:48] we need to do. So we're
[3:09:49] going to do our best to accommodate
[3:09:51] their concerns as much as we
[3:09:53] can. Some of that is in the design. Some
[3:09:54] of that
[3:09:55] is in the field we'll have the, you
[3:09:57] know those emergency lights
[3:09:59] in the back of the building we'll
[3:10:00] have the, the city or
[3:10:02] the fire department come out and we'll say. What
[3:10:03] is
[3:10:06] the lowest we can put these and still
[3:10:09] meet code. So we can be
[3:10:10] cognizant of light, cognizant of sound. We
[3:10:12] took the
[3:10:13] city's advice on the dumpsters and
[3:10:15] we moved those away as
[3:10:18] far as possible. And
[3:10:20] so, happy to take any questions on
[3:10:21] this. There's not perfect solutions when
[3:10:24] it comes to these but
[3:10:27] we tried
[3:10:30] our best. And we'll be sure to
[3:10:33] have our the residents near by
[3:10:34] when we're able to start construction. They
[3:10:35] will have my contact information and they'll
[3:10:36] be able to
[3:10:39] reach out to me if they have
[3:10:42] any concerns. That's all we have.
[3:10:43] >>
[3:10:45] thank you
[3:10:48] for that. I see the
[3:10:50] reversal of the site to limit the
[3:10:51] noise. The
[3:10:53] cross easement I think is huge. Kudos
[3:10:57] for being able to
[3:11:00] help navigate that to secure
[3:11:02] that. Were there any specimen trees lost
[3:11:03] on this?
[3:11:04] >> so
[3:11:06] there were, I don't
[3:11:09] know if dawn knows this
[3:11:11] more specifically. Dawn is our civil
[3:11:12] engineer that helped designed this.
[3:11:13] >>
[3:11:15] I know you're replacing
[3:11:18] and I know it's heavily wooded and I
[3:11:21] know it's going to create some comment. But
[3:11:24] we recognize that this has been approved
[3:11:27] and entitled we're basically modifying
[3:11:28] the site
[3:11:30] to make it better.
[3:11:31] >>
[3:11:33] that's our view as well. And we, you know,
[3:11:34] partly because
[3:11:35] don has spent so much time in the
[3:11:36] woods over
[3:11:39] there tracking the trees. We try
[3:11:41] to find any way we could to save trees
[3:11:42] because of the
[3:11:45] evolution of the
[3:11:47] site. Some things just couldn't make it. But
[3:11:48] particularly on the
[3:11:50] area is that border. The southeast corner
[3:11:51] is a good example. Like, we tried
[3:11:52] to
[3:11:54] save as much as we could. Because
[3:11:55] that's the entrance
[3:11:56] to the neighborhood and yeah, so we
[3:11:57] did the best we
[3:12:00] can given the --
[3:12:01] >> on the east side
[3:12:03] of the site. There's the parking and
[3:12:06] then there's the some of
[3:12:07] the landscaping. Are there any other
[3:12:09] treatments to try to help maybe
[3:12:11] block some of the view, low walls
[3:12:12] or anything like that?
[3:12:13] >> the
[3:12:15] good news is there's a sliver on
[3:12:17] the east side that's not our property. That's
[3:12:18] kind of between
[3:12:19] the property and the road and there's trees
[3:12:21] all within there that
[3:12:24] aren't on our property. And
[3:12:27] that we obviously
[3:12:30] never touch. So there is, there's
[3:12:31] some buffer
[3:12:32] and yeah.
[3:12:33] >> so that's what the original plan
[3:12:34] called for you
[3:12:36] guys to cut through that.
[3:12:37] >> the original
[3:12:39] plan, did
[3:12:42] cut. When they had this in 2007, we reached
[3:12:43] out to the board and association. We
[3:12:45] always try to speak
[3:12:47] to them as quickly as we can. They,
[3:12:50] it seemed like it was important for
[3:12:51] them that
[3:12:53] the, that our traffic stays our traffic
[3:12:54] and their traffic stays their
[3:12:56] traffic. So we tried to accommodate. Once
[3:12:57] we got that feed
[3:13:00] back. Okay we didn't even, we asked but
[3:13:03] it was denied so we just moved on, yeah. And
[3:13:04] I
[3:13:05] think this makes more sense too. That
[3:13:06] way the residents don't ever
[3:13:08] have to deal with our traffic. But
[3:13:12] if they wanted to walk over to the
[3:13:13] retail, we'll always
[3:13:14] be open to if they wanted a little
[3:13:16] path way there. We're happy
[3:13:18] to do that. They didn't seem interested
[3:13:19] at the
[3:13:21] time but we're open to allowing that
[3:13:22] if
[3:13:25] we had like
[3:13:27] a coffee shop that's a nice walkable
[3:13:30] location.
[3:13:31] >> speaking of, any tenants lined
[3:13:32] up or potential
[3:13:34] tenants.
[3:13:35] >> potential tenant
[3:13:36] is coffee shop that we would, like
[3:13:39] I, in my ideal world which I can't force
[3:13:40] anybody to lease. But in
[3:13:42] my ideal world, the east side would
[3:13:43] be
[3:13:44] the coffee shop. Because I think it
[3:13:45] makes sense for residents who wanted
[3:13:46] to walk
[3:13:48] over there if they wanted to. But
[3:13:49] coffee
[3:13:52] shop and sandwich shop
[3:13:54] is what the restaurants look like. Currently. Those
[3:13:55] are
[3:13:57] subject to change. And then the, the
[3:14:01] interior I expect to
[3:14:02] be medical. You know other retail services. Maybe
[3:14:04] like a, a
[3:14:05] pilates studio something like that
[3:14:07] reach out. So things
[3:14:10] like that. But this is a, this
[3:14:11] is new construction. So it's higher rent. So
[3:14:13] it
[3:14:14] tends to be higher end tenants. That's
[3:14:16] all who can afford to --
[3:14:17] >> what
[3:14:19] kind of fencing do you have
[3:14:21] on the south side of the site?
[3:14:22] >>
[3:14:25] there's already a fence. There's that,
[3:14:28] I know
[3:14:29] you described in your presentation. The
[3:14:31] masonry
[3:14:33] wall. And it was actually like a 2-foot
[3:14:34] concrete
[3:14:35] foundation piece underneath it. I think
[3:14:37] it's six feet but ends up
[3:14:40] being 8 feet because
[3:14:42] of that. So we'll be a little lower than
[3:14:43] the residents. That helps
[3:14:44] when you think about the door and
[3:14:45] emergency light on top of that. I
[3:14:46] think
[3:14:48] that will help with the screening. We
[3:14:49] put those trees,
[3:14:51] the trees that we put those trees
[3:14:52] in the back
[3:14:55] that weren't required by code in the
[3:14:56] hopes
[3:14:57] of helping to screen an vet that as
[3:15:01] much as
[3:15:04] possible.
[3:15:05] >> and the height of
[3:15:07] your building, sir?
[3:15:08] >> in the
[3:15:09] front it's like 18 feet slit down
[3:15:12] some. There's some really tall retail
[3:15:13] buildings now
[3:15:16] that you see. Ours is
[3:15:19] I think, I
[3:15:22] would say --
[3:15:23] >> it's 19. Then
[3:15:24] goes from, 20 to 25. That's on the
[3:15:25] front.
[3:15:26] >> on
[3:15:28] the
[3:15:30] front.
[3:15:31] >> then it slopes down toward the
[3:15:32] back.
[3:15:33] >> and I
[3:15:34] think there was mention in the report
[3:15:35] about lighting
[3:15:36] cut off. Lighting will be cut off
[3:15:39] to prevent.
[3:15:40] >> yeah, so we will be. For
[3:15:41] us that's, I
[3:15:42] mean we don't want to get called for
[3:15:43] that right. So we
[3:15:46] will be, if we do shield, we
[3:15:48] do shields. We have to follow the
[3:15:49] fire department's
[3:15:51] rules and things like that. So we'll basically
[3:15:52] work with them to
[3:15:55] figure out what is. But right
[3:15:58] now we
[3:16:01] have a photo me
[3:16:03] -- metric plan. And the photometric
[3:16:04] plan is the ruleless. We'll also
[3:16:07] find
[3:16:10] that in the field so we
[3:16:13] can get it as -- as possible.
[3:16:14] >>
[3:16:15] in regards to hours of operation. What
[3:16:16] are the anticipated hours of operation.
[3:16:17] >>
[3:16:19] I would expect the busiest time to
[3:16:22] be during the day. Because
[3:16:23] I think there's, we're limited on,
[3:16:25] we have
[3:16:26] very little restaurant use here. This
[3:16:28] is primarily going to be, like, I
[3:16:29] would
[3:16:30] be shocked if we don't have a dentist
[3:16:31] in here. I would be shocked
[3:16:33] if we don't have a couple of medical uses in
[3:16:34] here. So
[3:16:37] I think those will just be 9:00
[3:16:40] to 5:00. Then you'll have some uses that
[3:16:42] go till like 7:00. But we don't have
[3:16:46] the tenants yet so we don't know. But
[3:16:49] we'll be, say coppell has their
[3:16:52] own rules right on hours of
[3:16:55] operation. So we'll be you
[3:16:57] know, we're trying, we'll try to balance between
[3:16:58] like making
[3:16:59] sure tenants have enough parking throughout
[3:17:01] the day. So there's not one time
[3:17:04] when everybody is there and now the parking
[3:17:05] is
[3:17:06] overly congested. We'll try to have
[3:17:07] uses that kind of spread out a little bit
[3:17:10] so we
[3:17:13] can keep the traffic spread
[3:17:16] out as much as possible. But given
[3:17:18] this area I would expect that the
[3:17:19] day will
[3:17:21] be most busy because that's when all
[3:17:22] the tenants will
[3:17:24] be open. At night and in the morning there
[3:17:25] might be
[3:17:28] one or two open. Like
[3:17:30] a dentist closes at 5:00, right so.
[3:17:31] >>
[3:17:32] thank you
[3:17:34] for considering about the over lap
[3:17:35] and
[3:17:37] parking and trying to
[3:17:40] maximize that. But you've met
[3:17:42] the requirement. That the coppell
[3:17:43] requirement for
[3:17:46] parking. So. And
[3:17:49] you've, I guess a question for staff,
[3:17:51] are they, the applicant mentioned
[3:17:52] 9:00 to 5:00 maybe
[3:17:55] some of the retail use
[3:17:56] to 7:00. There's other restrictions
[3:18:00] on how late operations could go?
[3:18:01] >>
[3:18:02] we
[3:18:04] haven't placed any. We
[3:18:07] don't know what the tenants is. Tenants
[3:18:10] will be. That's something, if you
[3:18:11] want to
[3:18:13] consider that.
[3:18:14] >> yeah, I would expect
[3:18:15] like thinking about the
[3:18:16] sandwich shop that's probably the
[3:18:17] one that goes the latest. And I'm
[3:18:19] trying to think of like, I think there's
[3:18:22] a jersey mikes over there. That's
[3:18:24] open till like 9:00. 9:00 10:00. I
[3:18:25] don't know exactly
[3:18:28] when those are open to. But that is,
[3:18:29] I
[3:18:30] think that's probably where we, where
[3:18:31] most of these tenants cut
[3:18:34] off. But we
[3:18:37] don't have a line up
[3:18:40] of tenants yet.
[3:18:41] >>
[3:18:43] I'm sorry,
[3:18:46] I'm having a side bar
[3:18:49] here. Okay. So no operations late
[3:18:52] in the morning, midnight, beyond 6:00
[3:18:53] a.m. 7:00 a.m.
[3:18:54] >>
[3:18:55] we don't expect that, no.
[3:18:56] >> okay
[3:18:57] any other
[3:18:58] questions?
[3:18:59] >> coffee shop might be,
[3:19:00] if there's a sit down coffee shop. They
[3:19:01] may open early. But
[3:19:04] I'm hoping that would be welcomed
[3:19:08] by the community.
[3:19:09] >>
[3:19:11] there's no
[3:19:12] drive-thru. So.
[3:19:13] >> exactly. Yeah. Just
[3:19:14] for the sit down folks.
[3:19:15] >> I
[3:19:16] appreciate your attempts at trying
[3:19:17] to preserve as many trees as
[3:19:18] you can. But I think you kind of answered
[3:19:20] the question,
[3:19:22] I just want to make sure. You've done
[3:19:23] the general grading to sort
[3:19:26] of make sure that
[3:19:29] what you're
[3:19:30] thinking you're going to preserve
[3:19:32] will be preserved based on
[3:19:33] the over all grading plan of the property.
[3:19:34] >>
[3:19:35] our
[3:19:36] plan is set on the trees. We, and
[3:19:38] that was, we tagged them
[3:19:40] all and we know exactly what we're
[3:19:41] doing. We try
[3:19:44] to plan around
[3:19:45] as best we can. But the site plan
[3:19:47] if approved is,
[3:19:48] is this is what we'll be following
[3:19:52] and the tree plan we have won't be
[3:19:53] changing.
[3:19:54] >>
[3:19:56] so the one concern I have from
[3:19:59] a site plan standpoint
[3:20:01] is your direct entry on to sandy lake,
[3:20:05] I just feel
[3:20:08] like it's close. Really close to
[3:20:10] your, to the arbor meadows drive. And
[3:20:13] I can see people driving across to
[3:20:14] go to
[3:20:16] the immediate turn lane. Have you
[3:20:19] considered moving that a little bit
[3:20:20] further to the
[3:20:23] west to a
[3:20:26] maintain a little bit of separation. More
[3:20:28] separation. But also, you know, knowing that
[3:20:30] people are going to cut across just
[3:20:32] make it,
[3:20:34] give a little more run up to that curve
[3:20:35] cup. To
[3:20:38] be able to make a u turn or turn
[3:20:41] into the parking lot across the street.
[3:20:42] >>
[3:20:43] I think there were fire department reasons
[3:20:44] for it having to be there.
[3:20:45] >>
[3:20:47] it
[3:20:50] has to be
[3:20:51] there.
[3:20:52] >> but that's my understanding. I'm
[3:20:53] open to, discussing that with
[3:20:56] the planning team. But
[3:20:57] that was, that was my understanding.
[3:20:58] >>
[3:20:59] I appreciate the
[3:21:02] attempt to go over to the west because that
[3:21:05] shared drive does have a left
[3:21:08] turn curve
[3:21:09] cut. So that will significantly help
[3:21:11] once people discover it.
[3:21:12] >> yeah,
[3:21:14] I think it, yeah, I agree. I
[3:21:17] think that is a, that was
[3:21:20] a, you know and we, and in doing so
[3:21:22] with the, what we're doing for them
[3:21:23] is
[3:21:24] putting gates up on the road. So making
[3:21:26] sure that people who go to our
[3:21:29] center don't go to their
[3:21:32] parking lot. So we had, so we
[3:21:35] worked
[3:21:38] it out with them and they're
[3:21:41] very good neighbors.
[3:21:42] >> sue. >> just
[3:21:44] a quick question for you. So
[3:21:47] the green space on
[3:21:50] the western portion surrounded
[3:21:51] by parking lot. What is the purpose
[3:21:53] of, that particular space.
[3:21:54] >> so when
[3:21:55] I first did that, I was hoping that
[3:21:56] we could
[3:21:59] put like a picnic table or something like
[3:22:02] that there. Just
[3:22:03] to have some additional seating. Truthfully,
[3:22:05] that's where probably
[3:22:06] like the transformer is going to go. But
[3:22:08] we'll put it as
[3:22:11] close to the dumpster as
[3:22:14] possible so they're kind of together. But
[3:22:17] there
[3:22:20] will probably
[3:22:22] need to be an electrical transformer on-site.
[3:22:23] >>
[3:22:24] but
[3:22:26] there's no future -- snow cone or
[3:22:29] --
[3:22:30] >> no
[3:22:32] this is all building you're going
[3:22:33] to
[3:22:34] get. We're at full capacity. I thought
[3:22:35] you meant that little
[3:22:37] green island. That little green island
[3:22:38] in the middle
[3:22:39] that's where the transformer will
[3:22:44] go.
[3:22:45] >> there's an easement there.
[3:22:46] >> yeah,
[3:22:47] the drainage easements. So drainage
[3:22:50] from the residential
[3:22:51] neighborhood goes there and it'll
[3:22:53] come underneath our grading.
[3:22:54] >> thank
[3:22:55] you.
[3:22:56] >>
[3:22:57] I have one more question.
[3:22:58] >> fire
[3:22:59] away.
[3:23:00] >>
[3:23:02] so to
[3:23:04] the south of the building, between
[3:23:05] the
[3:23:08] wall, the fence
[3:23:11] and the building itself
[3:23:13] you've got some, landscaped areas
[3:23:14] there. I
[3:23:16] presume that, each suite will have
[3:23:17] access from
[3:23:20] the rear. Is that correct.
[3:23:21] >> yeah
[3:23:22] they'll have to. For code reasons.
[3:23:23] >>
[3:23:24] what kind of activity do you
[3:23:26] envision
[3:23:29] going on in the back of the building?
[3:23:30] >>
[3:23:32] I think, given where, given like
[3:23:34] the location of everything. I don't
[3:23:35] imagine, I don't imagine
[3:23:38] much. I think but for fire
[3:23:40] purposes, we have to have it. So I
[3:23:41] understand your question. We'll
[3:23:44] have a small sidewalk there at
[3:23:47] the back. But, I think, I would
[3:23:49] expect like you can't, give, given the way
[3:23:50] the side is. All the deliveries are
[3:23:53] going to be in the front, right. They
[3:23:55] just functionally have to be right. Given
[3:23:56] where the dumpsters are, I
[3:23:58] don't think anyone, I think going
[3:23:59] out the front
[3:24:02] actually makes more
[3:24:05] sense for most of these
[3:24:08] tenants. But there's not going to
[3:24:09] be any like customer access there. There
[3:24:11] might be some employee access there. All
[3:24:14] the parking is on the side. Most employees
[3:24:15] will
[3:24:17] come to the front.
[3:24:18] >> will there be
[3:24:19] roll
[3:24:20] up doors in the back.
[3:24:21] >> roll up doors? >>
[3:24:22] yeah.
[3:24:23] >>
[3:24:24] no.
[3:24:25] >> to facilitation trash or something
[3:24:26] of
[3:24:27] that nature.
[3:24:28] >> no, no, no. It'll
[3:24:29] just be a normal
[3:24:30] back door with a push bar on it for fire
[3:24:31] purposes. But no roll up doors.
[3:24:32] >>
[3:24:33] so there's
[3:24:35] no traffic access behind the
[3:24:37] building either.
[3:24:38] >> no. Like from a
[3:24:39] vehicle perspective? Oh
[3:24:40] yeah, that was the intention. Is that
[3:24:41] we
[3:24:44] were trying, the building
[3:24:47] is meant to block the cars. So again,
[3:24:48] it's not
[3:24:49] a perfect solution for the residents
[3:24:50] of the neighborhood
[3:24:53] but this is what we have found to
[3:24:54] be
[3:24:56] the, at a minimum I think this is much better
[3:24:57] than
[3:24:58] the original plan that was already approved. So,
[3:24:59] you know, we're
[3:25:02] coming here in the hopes of
[3:25:05] improving what was already approved
[3:25:09] is our view on the
[3:25:12] situation.
[3:25:13] >> I would conquer
[3:25:14] that this is better than originally planned. I
[3:25:15] would definitely --
[3:25:18] and you're really. This is
[3:25:20] a retail, maybe some professional
[3:25:21] services. Which
[3:25:23] is almost, it's not quite right in
[3:25:24] right out
[3:25:26] but you have maybe some potential u
[3:25:27] turn
[3:25:30] traffic up there by the verizon
[3:25:33] or the median to the west. But
[3:25:36] you some
[3:25:39] what limited with access. So
[3:25:42] I mean,
[3:25:45] yeah. Hopefully it'll be
[3:25:47] successful. So. Okay. Any other questions
[3:25:50] of the applicant? Samit.
[3:25:51] >> just,
[3:25:52] I just noticed. It's
[3:25:54] saying 36 on the
[3:25:55] southern border but I'm assuming those are
[3:25:56] not shown in this graphic.
[3:25:57] >> I feel
[3:26:00] when you press the button it
[3:26:02] was like they were not shown then
[3:26:03] --
[3:26:04] >>
[3:26:06] there they
[3:26:07] are. All right. All right.
[3:26:08] >> this
[3:26:09] is very schematic.
[3:26:10] >> I get it. It's
[3:26:11] just
[3:26:12] the way I look at it. Can
[3:26:15] we beef up along the backside? I mean,
[3:26:17] I know it's behind the buildings. But
[3:26:21] again to help buffer and screen
[3:26:23] and the lighting and the whatever.
[3:26:24] >>
[3:26:25] we're open
[3:26:27] to spreading them out. And they'll
[3:26:30] all grow. I think in
[3:26:32] our original plan we had them more
[3:26:34] spread out. I don't remember.
[3:26:35] >> there's
[3:26:36] two groupings.
[3:26:37] >> I think at
[3:26:38] one point we had them spread out. And
[3:26:39] it's
[3:26:40] like, okay let's concentrate them to
[3:26:41] parking. We're open to either.
[3:26:42] >>
[3:26:43] it's
[3:26:44] blocking more of the parking right
[3:26:45] now on
[3:26:46] the backside of the building but they
[3:26:48] might be appreciated
[3:26:49] to block the backside of the building
[3:26:51] as well.
[3:26:52] >> I think just
[3:26:53] the opposite. You want to shield the parking.
[3:26:54] >>
[3:26:55] that's what I'm
[3:26:57] saying right now
[3:26:59] they're grouped to block the parking
[3:27:01] but, again to visibility for the backyards
[3:27:03] to not see
[3:27:06] the backside of the
[3:27:09] building or the lighting that
[3:27:12] required safe safety lighting back
[3:27:15] there that is
[3:27:18] required won't hurt.
[3:27:19] >> to block the
[3:27:20] security lights.
[3:27:21] >>
[3:27:22] light.
[3:27:23] >> I think the
[3:27:24] homes that are back there, most are
[3:27:25] two stories.
[3:27:26] >>
[3:27:27] yes.
[3:27:28] >> so they'll be looking down at
[3:27:29] this property absent trees that mitigate
[3:27:30] the view.
[3:27:31] >> the ones behind
[3:27:33] the building are
[3:27:34] the ones that exist. Or, does that make
[3:27:36] sense. There'll still be
[3:27:39] some that remain there. At one
[3:27:42] point we spread them out. And then,
[3:27:45] I don't know if it was
[3:27:48] based on feed back. Then we concentrated
[3:27:49] them
[3:27:50] to parking. We're open to how you,
[3:27:51] how to best
[3:27:54] lay them out back there. We can
[3:27:56] be strategic about it.
[3:27:57] >> I have one
[3:27:58] more landscape related question, I'm
[3:28:00] sorry. On
[3:28:03] the front trees
[3:28:06] are required every 50
[3:28:09] feet. And I know you're
[3:28:11] preserving trees in the, eastern edge. The
[3:28:12] northeast corner
[3:28:15] but,
[3:28:18] that leaves the entirety of the sandy
[3:28:19] lake
[3:28:20] frontage untreed. You know, again
[3:28:21] there's supposed to be one
[3:28:24] every 50
[3:28:27] feet. Is there
[3:28:30] an easement or something
[3:28:33] that's preventing? Or
[3:28:35] are we counting the parking island
[3:28:36] trees as
[3:28:39] trees.
[3:28:40] >> my understanding is we've designed
[3:28:42] this to code on other than
[3:28:45] the additional ones that on
[3:28:47] the back. That's obviously well above code. But
[3:28:48] I'm sure that
[3:28:49] can be verified.
[3:28:50] >> we'll take another
[3:28:51] look at it and see
[3:28:57] if we need to add any
[3:28:59] trees.
[3:29:00] >> okay. >> one last question. >>
[3:29:01] sure.
[3:29:02] >>
[3:29:03] the roofing
[3:29:06] material on the backside of this
[3:29:07] building, so the building has the
[3:29:09] roofs then it comes down
[3:29:12] like this and comes down. So you have your
[3:29:15] --in front. Is that
[3:29:18] going to be like one of those
[3:29:21] white covered types of --
[3:29:22] >> yeah
[3:29:24] it'll be a tpo
[3:29:27] roof.
[3:29:28] >> which is white generally. >>
[3:29:30] right. Yes.
[3:29:31] >> again being two storied. Is
[3:29:32] it kind of pushing for some mitigation for
[3:29:33] the glare
[3:29:34] and whatever that might come off of
[3:29:36] that roof.
[3:29:37] >> yeah I don't know
[3:29:39] if tpo is known for that. But I understand
[3:29:40] what you're saying
[3:29:41] because it's white. I'm happy to consider. I
[3:29:42] don't have a
[3:29:45] solution off the top of my head for
[3:29:46] that.
[3:29:47] >>
[3:29:48] are there other
[3:29:51] colors beside white. Is there a
[3:29:54] tan color.
[3:29:55] >>
[3:29:57] no, white
[3:30:00] is, yeah. It's like an
[3:30:01] energy preservation. Yeah. But yeah. No
[3:30:03] it's a fair question. I
[3:30:06] don't have a solution to that. But
[3:30:07] understood. Appreciate
[3:30:09] the feed back.
[3:30:10] >> thank you very much
[3:30:11] for answering the
[3:30:12] questions there. We may bring you
[3:30:13] back at the end.
[3:30:14] >> I
[3:30:15] figured, yeah. Thank you.
[3:30:16] >> so this
[3:30:17] is a public hearing. We
[3:30:18] have several folks
[3:30:21] that are signed up
[3:30:24] to
[3:30:27] speak. I'll call in
[3:30:30] order, we'll go with
[3:30:33] vishi
[3:30:34] subramanyan. Followed by shanti subramanyan. Then
[3:30:36] followed
[3:30:39] by uma alagapan.
[3:30:40] >> yeah, hi. Thank
[3:30:41] you. Thank you folks for taking listening
[3:30:42] to us.
[3:30:43] >> name
[3:30:45] and address for
[3:30:48] the record.
[3:30:49] >>
[3:30:51] my name is vishi subramanyan. I
[3:30:54] live at
[3:30:57] 126 wild plum. Our property
[3:31:00] is exactly behind the building
[3:31:01] that is being proposed currently.
[3:31:03] so, if you look at
[3:31:06] this place has a lot of, a
[3:31:08] lot of, its very wooded currently. And
[3:31:10] when
[3:31:12] we bought this house, we bought it
[3:31:13] in
[3:31:15] what 2015, 2016 time frame. We were
[3:31:16] told by
[3:31:17] our realtor, which I obviously I'm
[3:31:19] hearing that it
[3:31:22] is, it was not true. But
[3:31:23] we bought it primarily because we
[3:31:25] had a, green zone and we
[3:31:27] were told it's a green zone. That's why
[3:31:28] we bought it.
[3:31:29] >>
[3:31:30] there was not going to be building
[3:31:34] on it.
[3:31:35] >> so, any
[3:31:37] way. So that's
[3:31:38] what it is. That's fine. Primarily
[3:31:39] our main concern is there's going
[3:31:42] to be a lot of noise. There's going
[3:31:43] to be smell, especially
[3:31:45] we didn't know there was a restaurant
[3:31:48] that's going to come in. That's being
[3:31:49] proposed currently. So
[3:31:51] we really don't like that idea of
[3:31:55] a
[3:31:57] restaurant coming in behind our property. So
[3:31:58] we object
[3:32:01] to it. Second thing, the other
[3:32:04] idea is the traffic on sandy
[3:32:06] lake. Currently, coming out of arbor manors
[3:32:07] and
[3:32:10] making a left, going to the
[3:32:13] airport is really hard. If you come
[3:32:16] around 4:00 on sandy
[3:32:19] lake the traffic
[3:32:20] is just, horrendous. Especially you're
[3:32:22] very
[3:32:23] close to, close to denton tap. So
[3:32:25] that traffic, sandy
[3:32:26] lake traffic, people coming out of sprouts
[3:32:28] making
[3:32:31] a left
[3:32:33] on to sandy lake. A --there is no
[3:32:34] traffic light there.
[3:32:35] >>
[3:32:37] there's a lot of conflict points.
[3:32:38] >>
[3:32:40] it's just a matter
[3:32:41] of time before somebody hits someone. The
[3:32:43] city also made another change
[3:32:46] recently
[3:32:48] in the last couple of years. They
[3:32:49] allowed sorry,
[3:32:52] I'm not used to
[3:32:54] these things. But any way, they allowed, they stopped
[3:32:55] prevented
[3:32:58] a u turn
[3:32:59] from taking place there. Right. Outside
[3:33:01] sandy
[3:33:04] lake. Right outside sprouts, so
[3:33:07] what happens is people come into the
[3:33:08] neighborhood. And they're
[3:33:10] speeding. They just make a
[3:33:12] u turn at the end of the cul-de-sac
[3:33:13] and make a right
[3:33:16] or left. There's no traffic light there. It
[3:33:19] is just hard
[3:33:22] for us to
[3:33:24] even come out. It's not normal.
[3:33:25] >>
[3:33:26] and
[3:33:27] despite the u turn signs, maybe I
[3:33:31] --but despite the u turn sign, people
[3:33:32] keep making
[3:33:34] u turns. I try to make
[3:33:37] a right turn and I think, okay, somebody with the
[3:33:38] indicator
[3:33:39] they're turning left. And I'm safe
[3:33:40] to go. And before I
[3:33:43] know it, they're u turning
[3:33:46] and I'm trying
[3:33:47] to turn and we're in conflict. It
[3:33:49] happens all the time. So that's
[3:33:52] one request. But the traffic is
[3:33:53] one thing. Go ahead, you finish.
[3:33:54] >>
[3:33:55] the other thing
[3:33:58] is we sit in the backyard, we
[3:34:01] are able to enjoy. Once this building
[3:34:04] comes up, we are done. The other thing that is annoying
[3:34:07] is also he says, it's okay. I
[3:34:10] think they can hear me. I
[3:34:13] think I'm
[3:34:16] loud enough. If you
[3:34:17] folks aren't able to hear me. So,
[3:34:19] the other
[3:34:22] thing is, we
[3:34:25] sit in the backyard and we
[3:34:28] enjoy the
[3:34:31] nature. And we're going
[3:34:34] lose all that stuff now. I do not
[3:34:36] know the legal thing but based on
[3:34:38] my research, is it smart zoning? Is
[3:34:40] that
[3:34:42] even a valid statement anymore. Because
[3:34:45] you're already commercialized it before
[3:34:46] now. This
[3:34:49] is just requesting a change in the zoning
[3:34:52] allowing them to do
[3:34:55] other things, I guess. But I'm
[3:34:58] not a lawyer, but I do plan to
[3:35:01] protest. Thank
[3:35:04] you. I think I'm done with
[3:35:07] my three minutes. I
[3:35:09] think I'm done. Thank you.
[3:35:10] >> shanti
[3:35:11] has three minutes.
[3:35:12] >> yeah. So the
[3:35:13] main points I want to make is,
[3:35:16] I realize now that our realtor gave
[3:35:17] us false information. And there's
[3:35:19] nothing we can do about that. It is
[3:35:21] zoned commercial. I like the fact
[3:35:22] that they are making
[3:35:25] an effort
[3:35:28] to move the traffic up to the
[3:35:31] front. So given the situation;
[3:35:34] main concern
[3:35:37] is, if we have restaurants, that
[3:35:39] they're restricted types of restaurant. We
[3:35:40] don't want anything
[3:35:43] that's deep frying, or smells
[3:35:45] or rodents to be encourage encouraged because
[3:35:49] it will come to the residential area
[3:35:50] and
[3:35:51] also it increases noise. So if the
[3:35:52] restrictions could be placed that
[3:35:53] we have
[3:35:54] more quiet type of restaurants if you're
[3:35:55] going
[3:35:58] to have. Coffee shops are fine. But
[3:36:01] not the kind where it's much more
[3:36:03] noisy, dinner restaurants and things
[3:36:04] that you
[3:36:07] know, would go on till late at
[3:36:10] night. And that
[3:36:13] doesn't, is not consistent with
[3:36:15] the residential life. The other thing
[3:36:16] is, the wall is you know we're
[3:36:19] asking that if it can be
[3:36:22] increased in height
[3:36:25] to give
[3:36:27] more privacy, more protection from
[3:36:28] the noise. The, you know, and lighting. Because
[3:36:31] even as it is right now we go
[3:36:34] upstairs, the sprouts lighting the
[3:36:35] night lighting comes
[3:36:37] straight up into the,
[3:36:40] into our home at the back. So
[3:36:43] those other requests that
[3:36:48] I can make given the situation that
[3:36:49] we have.
[3:36:50] >> yeah and, one of
[3:36:52] the
[3:36:55] things that I would like to point
[3:36:56] out is,
[3:36:59] how can they
[3:37:02] say that there is not going to
[3:37:03] be people coming to the back? If I
[3:37:05] have a restaurant, I'm not
[3:37:08] going to allow people to come
[3:37:11] through the front to deliver
[3:37:14] stuff. The delivery has
[3:37:16] to happen in the back.
[3:37:17] >> no. >> it cannot. How
[3:37:18] can they
[3:37:19] do that?
[3:37:20] >> that's not reflected in
[3:37:21] the current plan.
[3:37:22] >> the deliveries
[3:37:23] are going to be from the
[3:37:24] front. I'm not defending the application
[3:37:26] but I'm saying the deliveries
[3:37:29] are
[3:37:31] going to be from the front. It's only
[3:37:32] emergency
[3:37:33] access, a door for the site. That's
[3:37:35] all. We're not
[3:37:38] going go back and forth. I
[3:37:39] will let you finish your statement.
[3:37:40] >>
[3:37:41] okay. You already --
[3:37:42] >>
[3:37:44] and so again, we would
[3:37:45] like to minimize noise, minimize rodents,
[3:37:47] minimize smell and
[3:37:50] be able to still enjoy our backyard
[3:37:51] without having you know, still have
[3:37:53] that privacy to
[3:37:55] some extent and not have it feel like commercial.
[3:37:56] >>
[3:37:57] if
[3:37:58] I could ask you one question, you
[3:38:02] have a
[3:38:04] fence in your back? Is it a 6-foot,
[3:38:05] 8-foot fence. Is
[3:38:08] it an open fence, rot
[3:38:10] iron.
[3:38:11] >> no it's masonry, white color. >>
[3:38:12] okay
[3:38:13] so it's a solid wall.
[3:38:14] >> solid wall. >>
[3:38:16] but, again, just if that could be increased
[3:38:17] in
[3:38:19] height mainly for the light at night. That's
[3:38:22] the concern. Because some of the parking,
[3:38:23] I mean, and
[3:38:24] I don't know if there's emergency
[3:38:26] lighting, whatever
[3:38:29] there is at
[3:38:31] the light. If that comes into the yard it'll
[3:38:32] impact
[3:38:33] us.
[3:38:34] >> okay, thank you very much. >>
[3:38:35] thank you.
[3:38:36] >> can
[3:38:38] I ask one question
[3:38:44] real quick. Mary can you bring
[3:38:46] up the two plans. So the plan on the
[3:38:49] left is already approved. The plan
[3:38:52] on the right is what they're proposing. If
[3:38:53] you
[3:38:56] had a choice, which of those
[3:38:58] two plans would you prefer?
[3:38:59] >> the
[3:39:00] new one.
[3:39:01] >> okay. >>
[3:39:02] the only thing that has changed that
[3:39:03] wasn't
[3:39:04] there that I thought was the restaurant addition
[3:39:05] of restaurants. So
[3:39:08] again if we could restrict the
[3:39:10] types of restaurants. You know, many, I
[3:39:11] mean if they're full
[3:39:13] food restaurants that want to be open
[3:39:14] until 10:00
[3:39:15] at night but that's what I'm saying.
[3:39:16] >>
[3:39:17] understood.
[3:39:18] >> yeah. >> thank you. >>
[3:39:20] but you won't
[3:39:22] have a problem with a coffee shop
[3:39:23] for example.
[3:39:24] >>
[3:39:26] correct.
[3:39:27] >>
[3:39:29] different kind
[3:39:30] of smell. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[3:39:31] >>
[3:39:32] okay
[3:39:35] mrs. Uma alagapan.
[3:39:36] >>
[3:39:38] yes.
[3:39:39] >>
[3:39:41] and
[3:39:44] then to be
[3:39:47] followed
[3:39:50] by ramar. Okay.
[3:39:51] >> my name is
[3:39:53] uma alagapan. I live on wild
[3:39:55] plum road. I'm a neighbor of shanti. I
[3:39:56] agree with all
[3:39:59] they've said. But I have this point. We
[3:40:01] are already surrounded by so many
[3:40:02] coffee
[3:40:05] shops and sandwich shops in
[3:40:07] every direction. Every kind of grocery
[3:40:08] shop too. So,
[3:40:09] we're like surrounded with so much
[3:40:11] retail,
[3:40:14] so many doctors, so many
[3:40:17] gyms. So I would strongly ask the city
[3:40:18] to
[3:40:19] reconsider. To cutting down all these trees. Because
[3:40:20] that's
[3:40:23] the only thing we
[3:40:26] don't have. Thank you.
[3:40:27] >>
[3:40:29] thank you. Okay
[3:40:32] rama r then followed
[3:40:35] by rama sani. Okay.
[3:40:36] >> hi,
[3:40:37] thank you for hearing me out. I'm rama,
[3:40:41] I live in
[3:40:44] 129 wild plum drive. So the
[3:40:46] traffic is a huge concern. This community has
[3:40:47] over 730 homes, children
[3:40:48] are going to schools. School buses
[3:40:50] have to come
[3:40:53] in and go out and that's a hazard as
[3:40:54] is. When
[3:40:55] she talked about the left turn on
[3:40:59] sandy lake he was right on point. It
[3:41:00] makes
[3:41:02] it difficult to even drive to sprouts. We
[3:41:03] live here
[3:41:04] across the street, and we have to,
[3:41:08] it's just easier to walk and get what you
[3:41:09] want. And
[3:41:11] this is not just peak hour. Peak
[3:41:14] hour is a nightmare but even
[3:41:17] the regular times. Even
[3:41:20] at 10:00 in the morning. We
[3:41:22] are the connection. Sandy lake is
[3:41:23] the connection of
[3:41:26] denton and carlton. People are
[3:41:29] driving through
[3:41:31] us and there's no highway or anything
[3:41:32] yet. And businesses, traffic is
[3:41:35] a concern. People are using
[3:41:38] us as a shortcut. They do enter through
[3:41:41] the sandy lake entrance and
[3:41:44] exit out of our denton tap entrance. So
[3:41:47] this is
[3:41:50] already a thoroughfare for other traffic and now,
[3:41:51] this will
[3:41:53] just probably make our matters worse. City
[3:41:54] would have to
[3:41:56] do something to protect, the kids who
[3:41:57] are walking
[3:41:59] to school to wilson or high school. And
[3:42:02] the buses the
[3:42:04] school buses and the general population
[3:42:07] to safely exit and enter the community. Not
[3:42:08] just, you know this. It's
[3:42:11] also trader joe on the other side. So
[3:42:14] we kind of need something better on
[3:42:15] both
[3:42:17] streets. And that is my point. And
[3:42:18] thank
[3:42:20] you all.
[3:42:21] >> so
[3:42:23] just
[3:42:25] to make sure you understand. There's,
[3:42:26] there's
[3:42:29] traffic observed traffic coming
[3:42:32] in, arbor manors
[3:42:34] off of sandy lake. Traversing through
[3:42:35] the neighborhood and then
[3:42:37] exiting brae wood denton tap.
[3:42:38] >>s
[3:42:39] that correct.
[3:42:40] >> and
[3:42:41] you've observed this.
[3:42:42] >> yes. These
[3:42:43] are people who are evading
[3:42:44] that light. And they don't
[3:42:46] have to wait in line forever. So we
[3:42:47] are conveniently a way out
[3:42:49] where you don't have to waste two
[3:42:53] or three minutes or more where you
[3:42:54] have to wait for
[3:42:56] turns to just
[3:42:57] hit the light. We're already a thoroughfare. You
[3:43:00] know for all
[3:43:03] those peak hours. And that's
[3:43:05] why it takes a while even for the
[3:43:09] buses to come in and
[3:43:10] leave the community.
[3:43:11] >> got you. Thank
[3:43:12] you.
[3:43:13] >> all right,
[3:43:15] anything else?
[3:43:16] >>
[3:43:18] got
[3:43:21] a question for
[3:43:24] her? Anyone?
[3:43:25] >> thanks
[3:43:26] again.
[3:43:27] >> rama sani. >> hi, I'm jea pria
[3:43:28] ramasami. 180
[3:43:29] plum. Thank you for hearing us out. I'm
[3:43:30] also
[3:43:31] in for the current proposal. I see
[3:43:33] how they have accommodated
[3:43:36] a lot of things. But one thing
[3:43:39] if I wanted to ask is, can we
[3:43:42] try to avoid restaurants even the
[3:43:45] coffee shops and have
[3:43:46] other retail options. Because of currently after andy's
[3:43:51] opened, we are at
[3:43:53] just right behind the building that is
[3:43:54] proposed. With
[3:43:56] andy open, I have to close out with
[3:43:57] heavy
[3:43:58] curtains even to avoid this light. This
[3:44:00] business
[3:44:02] which is proposing for retail I'm
[3:44:04] okay because it's already, it's zoned
[3:44:06] for
[3:44:09] retail. So there's no argument about that. But
[3:44:11] can we avoid restaurants, which will
[3:44:12] be opening even
[3:44:13] at 10:00 or in the weekends that's
[3:44:15] the time we have coffee shops are
[3:44:18] going to open early in the
[3:44:20] morning. Though I like the coffee smell,
[3:44:21] but you know.
[3:44:22] >>
[3:44:24] only so much, right.
[3:44:25] >> I don't want
[3:44:27] to do that. And I wanted to, add
[3:44:29] --
[3:44:30] >> may I ask, a clarifying question
[3:44:31] please.
[3:44:32] >>
[3:44:33] sure.
[3:44:34] >> so there are
[3:44:36] ample trees separating you
[3:44:39] from andy's, correct. Are you
[3:44:41] refering to -- referring the light
[3:44:43] tonight second floor.
[3:44:44] >> yes. In the second
[3:44:45] floor. And in between when
[3:44:47] it's the fall season when the trees
[3:44:48] are not full. At that
[3:44:51] time, we also get on the
[3:44:54] ground floor too.
[3:44:55] >> thank you.
[3:44:57] >> and I wanted
[3:44:58] to add what commissioner patel was
[3:45:00] saying about this entrance, that
[3:45:03] was proposed in the new plan also. Just
[3:45:05] like our neighbors were talking about
[3:45:06] how that u
[3:45:07] turn is avoided. And people trying
[3:45:09] to come and trying to turn
[3:45:10] back to sandy lake. That is going
[3:45:12] to cause
[3:45:14] a lot of commotion there too. Because
[3:45:15] it's immediately they try to
[3:45:18] go to the left most lane
[3:45:21] to take the u turn. So do
[3:45:24] please concern that
[3:45:27] part which will cause accidents there,
[3:45:28] definitely. And one of our neighborhood person
[3:45:33] got into that
[3:45:36] accident for a
[3:45:38] u turn. So.
[3:45:39] >> question to staff,
[3:45:42] is
[3:45:45] the, eastbound u
[3:45:48] turn
[3:45:51] legal at that left turn?
[3:45:54] >> both ways
[3:45:57] it's prevented.
[3:45:58] >>
[3:45:59] we'll bring down our traffic.
[3:46:00] >> and
[3:46:01] then, the trees that, because we're
[3:46:02] just
[3:46:03] going to be back behind
[3:46:06] the building based on our location,
[3:46:07] can
[3:46:08] we ask for a higher thing which like what
[3:46:12] they did on the
[3:46:13] other side. Where it's mcdonalds and where
[3:46:15] they build the high fence
[3:46:17] so that it'll try to give us some
[3:46:21] privacy in addition to the trees. So for
[3:46:22] that,
[3:46:23] especially those four houses I think
[3:46:24] those will be the
[3:46:27] main thing which is backing in
[3:46:29] building. So if you can help, elevate and
[3:46:30] add extra fencing
[3:46:33] there to help us with some
[3:46:36] privacy. That
[3:46:39] will,
[3:46:41] that's something that I wanted to
[3:46:42] ask
[3:46:44] for.
[3:46:45] >> okay. >> but please do that entrance,
[3:46:46] that's
[3:46:47] definitely going to call for. If he
[3:46:48] can move. But
[3:46:51] he's told about
[3:46:54] a fire or something. But if definitely
[3:46:57] think about that
[3:46:59] especially when our kids are driving
[3:47:00] there. The high schoolers they
[3:47:02] walk and they come into our community
[3:47:03] and the next
[3:47:06] community.
[3:47:07] >> so we have kids shortcutting
[3:47:08] through the neighborhood too. Walking
[3:47:09] through the neighborhood too.
[3:47:10] >> yes,
[3:47:11] they
[3:47:12] walk near the andy's and the next
[3:47:13] signal they come around and that's how
[3:47:15] they enter into our community and
[3:47:16] to the
[3:47:18] next community. That's how the
[3:47:21] high schoolers they go on walking
[3:47:22] by themselves or something.
[3:47:23] >> okay
[3:47:24] I do have
[3:47:26] a follow up question for you. With
[3:47:27] the conflict as on
[3:47:30] the imagine to the right there's the
[3:47:33] driveway. That's a little modified but it's
[3:47:36] eliminating
[3:47:39] the driveway off of arbor manor drive. To
[3:47:42] reduce the number of conflict points
[3:47:45] it would be better to go
[3:47:48] to arbor
[3:47:51] drive.
[3:47:52] >> no, I
[3:47:54] I have visitors that are coming always.
[3:47:55] >>
[3:47:56] okay.
[3:47:57] >>
[3:47:58] they just drive to plum. They don't
[3:47:59] realize
[3:48:00] they're inside a community. Especially
[3:48:01] on our
[3:48:03] road. They just speed in.
[3:48:04] >> so
[3:48:06] the new design separates that traffic. So
[3:48:07] it's actually better.
[3:48:08] >> yeah, it's
[3:48:09] better but think of all the cars that
[3:48:12] are trying to go to the left lane. That's all
[3:48:15] I'm
[3:48:18] trying to
[3:48:19] point out.
[3:48:20] >> got you. Thank you. >> you
[3:48:21] must be.
[3:48:22] >>
[3:48:24] rahm.
[3:48:25] >> yes. >> we're
[3:48:27] a couple. So thanks for
[3:48:29] your time. Listening to us. I'm just
[3:48:30] going to
[3:48:33] piggy back whatever
[3:48:36] they talked about. I know this is
[3:48:39] going to be a property already approved
[3:48:40] for the business. But
[3:48:42] I definitely would
[3:48:45] like to oppose for any restaurants.
[3:48:46] >>
[3:48:47] say
[3:48:48] that again.
[3:48:49] >> restaurants. >> oh
[3:48:50] yeah, restaurants.
[3:48:51] >>
[3:48:52] so definitely, you know. It's going
[3:48:53] to be a problem. And
[3:48:54] I believe they have a back, you know
[3:48:57] on the side. Even though they
[3:49:01] have a small door, but I'm
[3:49:02] sure they have dumpsters on the side. I
[3:49:04] know
[3:49:07] I have seen some
[3:49:08] other restaurants they keep the garbage
[3:49:10] can outside. So I
[3:49:13] don't know how we
[3:49:15] can prevent that. Definitely keeping
[3:49:16] the garbage outside. Sometimes
[3:49:19] they keep
[3:49:21] the garbage, back of the building near
[3:49:22] to the door.
[3:49:23] >> it
[3:49:25] sounds like it's in
[3:49:27] a better situation. We'll ask the
[3:49:28] applicant. It
[3:49:31] so --
[3:49:34] sounds like it's in
[3:49:37] a better location away from the residential.
[3:49:39] but we'll ask them.
[3:49:40] >> if you have
[3:49:41] any restaurants and it's
[3:49:42] going to impact the privacy and also
[3:49:43] we
[3:49:44] have seen, you know some flies and
[3:49:46] bugs and that's
[3:49:47] going to cause a problem. That's going
[3:49:49] to and the other thing is
[3:49:51] the property value is going to go
[3:49:55] down. Definitely we
[3:49:57] know because we had a green, you know
[3:49:58] greener, so definitely it's going
[3:49:59] to impact it and the property value
[3:50:03] is going do go down. The other thing
[3:50:04] is I
[3:50:07] want
[3:50:08] to raise a concern about the fence. Definitely
[3:50:10] we need to
[3:50:12] have some kind of solution so we can
[3:50:13] have
[3:50:15] some privacy. 6 feet is not going
[3:50:16] to
[3:50:19] be enough. Because there's definitely going
[3:50:22] to be a lot of traffic.
[3:50:23] >> okay. >>
[3:50:24] thank you.
[3:50:25] >> thank you very much. I
[3:50:26] don't have
[3:50:28] any other names signed up
[3:50:31] but is there anyone else who
[3:50:34] would like
[3:50:37] to speak.
[3:50:38] >> yes
[3:50:39] >> my name is aten culcurney. I live
[3:50:40] in
[3:50:41] 122 wild plum drive. The property
[3:50:42] that's right behind this proposed
[3:50:43] building. First I want
[3:50:44] to thank you for allowing me to speak. I
[3:50:46] came a little bit late and
[3:50:49] I didn't get to
[3:50:50] sign up for the speaking here. So,
[3:50:52] I think my neighbors have spoken
[3:50:55] about a few points so I won't
[3:50:58] elaborate on those. What I would
[3:51:00] like to talk about is slightly different. To
[3:51:01] connect this with
[3:51:03] our city's proposed master plan. You
[3:51:07] know, I know that
[3:51:10] the, property is this is zoned for commercial
[3:51:11] use but having the right to build
[3:51:12] doesn't necessarily mean they can build
[3:51:13] the
[3:51:15] way that it is planned because we would
[3:51:16] like to see
[3:51:18] being connected with the soul of the city's
[3:51:22] master plan. See, I think you all
[3:51:25] know this. Coppell our city
[3:51:28] is more than 90% built out. So
[3:51:30] our standards for building now must
[3:51:31] be higher than what they used
[3:51:34] to be 20 years
[3:51:37] ago. We're no longer a growing suburb. We're
[3:51:39] a mature community. The burden should
[3:51:40] be on
[3:51:43] the developers to prove that
[3:51:46] the project enhances rather
[3:51:49] than just build another genetic, commercial
[3:51:51] building. Our tree preservation ordnance which
[3:51:55] you folks know well, exists
[3:51:58] precisely for
[3:52:01] lots like this. It's not so
[3:52:04] much about sort of, being fees
[3:52:07] into the city's coffers
[3:52:09] but it is about, critical zones and
[3:52:10] ecological goals
[3:52:13] that are in our 2040 plan. So I urge
[3:52:14] this
[3:52:15] commission to exercise its authority
[3:52:16] to make a low impact development. We
[3:52:19] should require the site plan that
[3:52:20] preserves
[3:52:22] most of the old grow trees
[3:52:25] as a
[3:52:28] key feature
[3:52:30] rather than just clear cut and then
[3:52:34] subsequently plant
[3:52:37] smaller trees here and there. This
[3:52:38] lost canopy
[3:52:40] cannot be restored. This is the only
[3:52:43] green space, this is the only
[3:52:45] kind of something looks green in the entire
[3:52:46] concrete jungle
[3:52:49] that is around
[3:52:52] us
[3:52:55] and it's what is preserving
[3:52:58] for the city's future plan. A high
[3:53:01] intensity
[3:53:04] restaurant, even if
[3:53:07] it is a coffee
[3:53:09] shop. And as my neighbor said, there's
[3:53:10] coffee in every corner. Thankfully
[3:53:13] it's not a fast food restaurant but
[3:53:16] that's just one point. I think it's
[3:53:17] just
[3:53:19] creating this concrete island is a challenge. If the
[3:53:21] commission approves this plan as it
[3:53:22] is, then
[3:53:25] I think we are signaling that the commercial
[3:53:28] zoning rights are value that are in
[3:53:31] our 2040 plan. So I
[3:53:34] ask to send
[3:53:40] this plan back to
[3:53:43] the drawing
[3:53:47] board. And keep trees as historic assets. So
[3:53:55] in closing, retoring versus --
[3:53:57] that you had opportunity to see around. And
[3:53:58] there's plenty of
[3:54:00] other retail spaces available that could
[3:54:01] be used for
[3:54:04] this purpose. And with this, I urge
[3:54:06] you to deny this approval until a conservation
[3:54:07] focus plan
[3:54:10] is presented to you, thank you.
[3:54:11] >>
[3:54:12] thank you very much. Is there anybody
[3:54:13] else
[3:54:16] who would
[3:54:19] like to speak on the application pro or
[3:54:22] against. Seeing none, I'll
[3:54:25] close the public
[3:54:28] hearing. I would like
[3:54:31] our
[3:54:37] traffic engineer, mr. Baker, we
[3:54:54] have some traffic questions.
[3:54:55] >> based on
[3:54:56] hearing
[3:54:57] the comments this evening and the concerns. Do
[3:54:58] you have any
[3:55:01] concerns that need
[3:55:04] to be evaluated with the proposed
[3:55:07] application?
[3:55:08] >> so they're
[3:55:10] proposed driveway locations meeting
[3:55:12] the ordnance requirement for the driveway
[3:55:13] spacing. If they
[3:55:16] wanted to look at moving it further
[3:55:17] to
[3:55:19] the west.
[3:55:20] >> you're okay with that. >>
[3:55:21] as long as
[3:55:22] we can talk with the fire department
[3:55:23] and see
[3:55:24] if they're okay. I know they have
[3:55:26] specific access requirements.
[3:55:27] >>
[3:55:29] what about some
[3:55:30] measures to eliminate accessing that
[3:55:32] left turn
[3:55:35] lane. A raised, small raised
[3:55:38] median or
[3:55:40] something to eliminate the ability
[3:55:47] to make
[3:55:49] that maneuver?
[3:55:50] >> not something we
[3:55:51] have done much.
[3:55:52] >> true, true. Are
[3:55:53] there any with regards
[3:55:56] to current traffic right now at that
[3:55:58] intersection. Are there any concerns?
[3:55:59] >>
[3:56:01] I'm not aware of current concerns
[3:56:03] there. We periodically look at different
[3:56:04] intersections throughout the city
[3:56:08] to see if any improvements or
[3:56:10] anything would be warranted. I'm not
[3:56:11] aware of looking
[3:56:12] at this intersection currently.
[3:56:13] >>
[3:56:14] so as part of the site review we didn't
[3:56:15] get a chance to see what operations
[3:56:17] are to see, I know
[3:56:20] for a fact and they're exactly
[3:56:22] right. During the peak hour, there's heavy
[3:56:23] westbound traffic
[3:56:26] no question. There's
[3:56:29] traffic coming
[3:56:31] out of commercial so there's conflict. The
[3:56:35] site, didn't meet
[3:56:39] the triggers for an evaluation.
[3:56:40] >>
[3:56:42] correct.
[3:56:43] >> correct. Okay. There might
[3:56:44] be something we can look at the
[3:56:45] intersection.
[3:56:46] >> we can look at it
[3:56:47] with our team.
[3:56:48] >> it
[3:56:50] sounds like there's already no u turn if
[3:56:51] you're headed westbound. I think if
[3:56:53] you made
[3:56:55] no u turn eastbound also at that same friction point, people wouldn't
[3:56:56] be
[3:56:58] as eager to get out there and make
[3:56:59] a u
[3:57:02] turn. They
[3:57:05] would go to the
[3:57:06] other driveway. Just a thought.
[3:57:07] >> yeah I
[3:57:08] can see
[3:57:11] all kinds of maneuvers for
[3:57:13] that though. Yeah. Okay. Any questions of
[3:57:14] our
[3:57:16] traffic engineer, by the commission.
[3:57:17] >>
[3:57:18] yes. So
[3:57:19] would a stoplight there be appropriate
[3:57:20] in
[3:57:23] your
[3:57:25] mind's eye given all of the input
[3:57:26] we received.
[3:57:27] >> there's specific procedures for
[3:57:29] that that would have
[3:57:32] to be done. That hasn't been done
[3:57:33] up
[3:57:35] to this point.
[3:57:36] >> in
[3:57:37] your opinion, the amount of traffic that's
[3:57:38] there would not
[3:57:39] most likely require a stoplight, is
[3:57:40] that what you're thinking.
[3:57:41] >> no,
[3:57:42] it
[3:57:44] would have to be studied
[3:57:47] to determine that. And
[3:57:49] it hasn't currently been studied.
[3:57:50] >>
[3:57:51] yeah.
[3:57:52] >>
[3:57:53] if, and I agree. That this site may
[3:57:54] not generate
[3:57:56] the enough trips to trigger a traffic
[3:57:59] evaluation. Especially since the
[3:58:01] site is basically already been entitled
[3:58:02] for
[3:58:05] our previous zoning in 2007. But,
[3:58:07] if there were a signal required who would
[3:58:11] pay
[3:58:14] for that? Would
[3:58:17] this
[3:58:18] site bare a portion of that? Probably
[3:58:20] not, okay.
[3:58:21] >> maybe let the cool
[3:58:23] off the hook a little bit. But that's
[3:58:25] such a major intersection. You can
[3:58:26] make an
[3:58:29] argument for multiple
[3:58:32] lights on denton
[3:58:35] tap, at trader joe's. On
[3:58:38] tom thumb's side of
[3:58:39] denton tap. It's, that's a much bigger.
[3:58:40] >>
[3:58:41] it's a bigger question. And I'm
[3:58:44] sorry to put you on the spot.
[3:58:45] >> not
[3:58:46] at
[3:58:47] all.
[3:58:48] >> you have to learn sometime. So
[3:58:49] it's
[3:58:50] a learning experience for you
[3:58:52] tonight. So. But yeah, it's a bigger question. And
[3:58:53] to me
[3:58:55] it seems like it would result in,
[3:58:56] that's why
[3:58:58] I was asking the applicant you know
[3:59:00] they're basically right in, right
[3:59:02] out and so
[3:59:05] they're taking risk with the site there. But,
[3:59:08] I'm not in favor of
[3:59:09] more signals because signals are not
[3:59:11] cheap. They're 400,000
[3:59:13] plus and tying all those together
[3:59:14] just makes it even more expensive. But
[3:59:17] at the same time there are some conflict points that
[3:59:20] I think we might be looking
[3:59:22] at on this one. Okay, thank you cole.
[3:59:23] >> yeah. >>
[3:59:26] okay so the public hearing is closed. Discussion,
[3:59:27] but before we get to the discussion
[3:59:29] I had some questions for staff
[3:59:32] if I can try to
[3:59:35] remember
[3:59:38] those. Is the
[3:59:40] footprint the same, mary. Size wise. The previous
[3:59:44] single, the previous two versus
[3:59:45] this current single. Is it smaller
[3:59:47] now than it was before.
[3:59:48] >> I
[3:59:49] don't think there was a size proposed
[3:59:50] that I was able.
[3:59:51] >> if
[3:59:53] you can
[3:59:56] visually put up that map.
[3:59:59] it
[4:00:03] just looks visually like it's smaller. Yeah. Maybe
[4:00:11] it's even.
[4:00:14] okay. And so it might be
[4:00:17] a wash. Maybe it's
[4:00:20] a wash. But, it's
[4:00:23] still
[4:00:26] entitled. Number two, the tree
[4:00:29] ordnance. Three mitigation --I
[4:00:32] know it's
[4:00:35] not within
[4:00:41] our purview. So keep that
[4:00:44] in mind. And,
[4:00:50] then I asked about
[4:00:52] the traffic. Yes, restaurant. What
[4:00:53] about scrubbers
[4:00:55] for restaurant users. Is that a requirement.
[4:00:56] >>
[4:00:57] no.
[4:00:58] >> I
[4:00:59] know we've made some put some in off
[4:01:02] of 121.
[4:01:03] >>
[4:01:05] we analyzed it so we
[4:01:08] never did.
[4:01:09] >>
[4:01:12] okay, okay. Okay. If the applicant
[4:01:16] could come up please. So I wanted to
[4:01:17] capture
[4:01:19] your thoughts on a couple of things. I
[4:01:20] guess first of all. I do want to
[4:01:22] commend, the plan you have done on
[4:01:23] this site is a lot
[4:01:26] better than what it was. So
[4:01:28] y'all have done significant work on
[4:01:32] this. If restaurant use is
[4:01:34] on containening --containing smell. What
[4:01:35] is
[4:01:38] your thoughts on that.
[4:01:39] >> I
[4:01:44] don't, I think I have asked, there's
[4:01:45] restaurants we're fine saying no. I
[4:01:48] don't know if we
[4:01:50] can document that. I don't know how
[4:01:54] you do that within the, but
[4:01:57] like, we understand that's
[4:01:59] an important item. And we will certainly
[4:02:01] be factoring that in. Because we would
[4:02:02] rather get fewer calls than not. I
[4:02:05] also would like to say that I've done
[4:02:06] these
[4:02:07] enough where I feel I always hear
[4:02:09] about
[4:02:11] how realtors lie to the residents. Next
[4:02:14] to the people mixed commercial on. I
[4:02:15] don't
[4:02:18] know what
[4:02:21] to do to that. I know this was
[4:02:23] approved in 2007. But I've been to
[4:02:27] a million meetings
[4:02:29] where that comes up. It's unfortunate. I
[4:02:30] hope
[4:02:31] that the residents see that there's
[4:02:33] a lot
[4:02:34] of developers that could get this land
[4:02:36] and do something
[4:02:39] with. It's not something they
[4:02:41] will ever be happy but it's the less
[4:02:44] of undesirable outcomes. If there
[4:02:45] was
[4:02:46] a way within y'all's code we could
[4:02:48] do that, I would be open
[4:02:51] it. On
[4:02:54] the sizing, I don't know
[4:02:55] if it was two 100,000 square foot building
[4:02:57] or two. I know we have
[4:02:59] a max we have to stay below. I remember
[4:03:00] us
[4:03:01] pulling it smaller to meet that. But
[4:03:04] I can't remember exactly. It's some
[4:03:06] where in the plans.
[4:03:07] >>
[4:03:09] but you met the requirement.
[4:03:10] >>
[4:03:12] we're smaller is my point. But it's
[4:03:13] 15,000 or 16,000 I can't remember
[4:03:14] exactly.
[4:03:15] >> and then, thoughts on
[4:03:16] some of
[4:03:17] the fencing in the back. Is there
[4:03:18] a
[4:03:20] way that y'all could help.
[4:03:21] >> so we
[4:03:22] chose the trees because they're evergreen. And
[4:03:27] this was, and matt was helpful with
[4:03:29] this. We were trying to choose a tree
[4:03:30] that would
[4:03:32] grow from 20 to 30 feet. We were trying to
[4:03:33] choose a tree that's
[4:03:34] green throughout the year. I'm hoping
[4:03:36] that will help not just with our
[4:03:39] property but with the
[4:03:40] sprouts and the andy's that won't
[4:03:45] have,
[4:03:48] like we're going
[4:03:50] to be --to have shielding. We will
[4:03:51] look at can
[4:03:53] we throw on a few more trees in the back
[4:03:54] too since
[4:03:56] that seems to be the primary concern. The
[4:03:57] fence isn't on our property. So I
[4:04:00] don't know what we
[4:04:01] can do with the fence.
[4:04:02] >> that seg
[4:04:03] ways into a similar question that
[4:04:05] I have. I'm trying to envision here. And I
[4:04:08] believe the front of the building
[4:04:09] was 18 feet.
[4:04:10] >> correct. >> so
[4:04:11] there's a par pit on the front of
[4:04:12] the building. I
[4:04:13] heard some of the residents saying
[4:04:15] they're already getting light from
[4:04:17] across the street all the way from
[4:04:18] andy's coming over
[4:04:20] into their yard. I'm wondering what
[4:04:21] the lighting on
[4:04:24] the backside of the building
[4:04:27] and the backside of that wall
[4:04:29] because, by building an 18-foot parapit you're
[4:04:30] essentially
[4:04:32] building an 18-foot wall between them unless
[4:04:33] you're radically lighting
[4:04:36] the back of the building.
[4:04:37] >> no
[4:04:38] yeah. If you're saying that, our building,
[4:04:39] so
[4:04:41] what's interesting about the houses behind
[4:04:42] us. They're
[4:04:44] build on like, there's fill, they're built
[4:04:45] a
[4:04:47] little higher than they probably should
[4:04:48] have. I don't know
[4:04:51] if our building, you're asking
[4:04:52] if our building will block the sprouts
[4:04:54] sign from shining. I
[4:04:57] don't know to be honest. My
[4:05:00] hope is that, it won't be immediate
[4:05:03] but we
[4:05:06] chose specific trees that
[4:05:09] will grow and then
[4:05:11] eventually be taller than our building
[4:05:12] and.
[4:05:13] >> what
[4:05:14] would be anticipated lights in the
[4:05:15] back.
[4:05:16] >> it'll be energy
[4:05:17] building. The wall packs will be shielded
[4:05:18] they will point
[4:05:20] down so those won't be an issue. But
[4:05:24] above the energy door you will see
[4:05:25] the
[4:05:26] emergency lighting. But we'll make
[4:05:27] sure to use shields and like
[4:05:29] I said, we'll meet the fire marshals
[4:05:30] out there and say,
[4:05:33] what is the lowest we can put
[4:05:34] this to abide by code. Because you have
[4:05:36] two
[4:05:37] feet, foundation plus the six foot wall. So
[4:05:39] that's eight feet. So my
[4:05:41] hope is you can keep the emergency
[4:05:42] lighting try to keep it, you
[4:05:44] know like lower than the fence. I
[4:05:45] don't know if we
[4:05:48] can quite --if they will
[4:05:50] let us we will. Like, yeah. So we
[4:05:51] can, we
[4:05:53] can keep all of our like the wall
[4:05:54] packs
[4:05:57] those we can keep it where the lights
[4:05:58] point
[4:06:00] down. Those won't
[4:06:03] impact at all and they'll be shielded. It's
[4:06:04] the
[4:06:05] emergency lighting required by fire. That's
[4:06:06] the only thing. But I
[4:06:09] think compared to like sprouts or
[4:06:10] andy
[4:06:11] signs that's a much smaller.
[4:06:12] >> and
[4:06:13] it there wouldn't
[4:06:14] be anything lighting the roof or the back
[4:06:15] of the paraput
[4:06:18] wall.
[4:06:19] >> signage will be in
[4:06:20] the front of the building only. That's
[4:06:21] another
[4:06:24] reason why flipping the building is helpful. Because
[4:06:25] the building was flipped you would
[4:06:27] have signage on both
[4:06:30] sides and you
[4:06:32] would have signage pointing at the resident
[4:06:33] neighbors. We tried our
[4:06:36] best to make
[4:06:38] this within the box that we could.
[4:06:39] >>
[4:06:40] I was
[4:06:41] thinking about some of the noise. You're
[4:06:42] going to have hvac
[4:06:45] on top. Is there any shielder to prevent
[4:06:46] any of that
[4:06:48] noise, since that
[4:06:51] is there any way to do that?
[4:06:52] >>
[4:06:54] that so the tenants typically
[4:06:57] handle that. I'm not sure if that's something when
[4:06:58] the
[4:07:00] tenants come in if that's something that
[4:07:02] would be required of them. I don't know,
[4:07:03] because we,
[4:07:06] we don't put in the hvc. We don't
[4:07:07] know
[4:07:09] the tenant
[4:07:12] or where
[4:07:15] to put them. But
[4:07:18] the tenants will
[4:07:21] have their own issues.
[4:07:22] >>
[4:07:24] I would like for you to do something
[4:07:27] for noise. Any ways you can help.
[4:07:28] >>
[4:07:29] hopefully you
[4:07:30] have seen our plans and see that we're already
[4:07:31] trying to do
[4:07:35] that.
[4:07:36] >> any other thoughts or comments
[4:07:37] of the applicant.
[4:07:38] >> based on
[4:07:39] a couple of questions I think what will
[4:07:40] be very
[4:07:42] helpful is a scaled cross section. So
[4:07:43] we can
[4:07:45] see your description of the houses,
[4:07:47] are a little bit higher. The wall
[4:07:48] that exists is
[4:07:50] on a 2-foot wall. If we had a cross
[4:07:51] section that goes from sandy
[4:07:54] lake on back, I think that would help
[4:07:57] to visualize a lot better. I
[4:07:59] think I can follow what you're describing. But
[4:08:00] visually it's
[4:08:03] hard to see. Are those houses elevated. Are
[4:08:05] they lower. How is the wall? And I
[4:08:07] know you can't
[4:08:08] worry about across the street. But
[4:08:10] then how do
[4:08:11] the trees, you know, and any kind
[4:08:13] of beef
[4:08:15] up of the buffering in the back visually
[4:08:19] screening will, I think will be
[4:08:20] appreciated. But a cross section will really
[4:08:22] help to
[4:08:24] communicate that better so it's better understood.
[4:08:25] >>
[4:08:26] understood. It's good advice.
[4:08:27] >>
[4:08:28] I would just make the comment. It
[4:08:29] seems like
[4:08:31] you have a fairly
[4:08:33] good representation of the neighborhood
[4:08:36] here. I'm sure they have a homeowners
[4:08:37] association that meet periodically. It
[4:08:39] would be productive to make that connection
[4:08:43] some where.
[4:08:44] >> we've spoken to
[4:08:45] their board. The association we reached
[4:08:46] out to very
[4:08:49] early
[4:08:52] on that. We had met with
[4:08:53] them once here.
[4:08:54] >> thank you very
[4:08:55] much.
[4:08:56] >> thank
[4:08:58] you.
[4:08:59] >> so I would
[4:09:00] like to adjust a few comments. Just
[4:09:01] regarding this. All the
[4:09:02] items you brought up that's all part
[4:09:04] of the process. But the
[4:09:07] one thing we have to remember,
[4:09:10] this site was basically already
[4:09:12] approved for commercial back in 07. So
[4:09:13] they have
[4:09:15] entitlements. We have to be very careful that
[4:09:16] there's not
[4:09:19] a taking. You know, I asked for
[4:09:21] y'all to reflect a little bit. When
[4:09:22] arbor manor
[4:09:23] was approved for the residential dwelling units
[4:09:25] there were a lot
[4:09:28] of trees that
[4:09:30] were taken out. A lot for those homes. So
[4:09:31] to restrict
[4:09:33] the ability for the site that's already
[4:09:34] been approved
[4:09:37] to develop because that's
[4:09:40] a taking, and so
[4:09:42] that would not be, not be well received. So,
[4:09:45] and you guys have some great comments. I
[4:09:46] totally
[4:09:48] agree. There's going to be some conflictpoints. I
[4:09:49] would
[4:09:50] agree that through the development
[4:09:52] process here. If it
[4:09:54] gets past the pnz if there's the ability
[4:09:55] to
[4:09:56] perhaps move that driveway further
[4:09:58] to the west a
[4:10:01] little bit maybe to try to
[4:10:02] limit or eliminate further conflict through
[4:10:03] that meeting opening there. There could
[4:10:04] be
[4:10:05] an issue. I do agree with cole. Sorry I
[4:10:09] put you on the spot there cole. That
[4:10:10] you know, we may
[4:10:13] take a look at that to see if there's any
[4:10:16] ways to improve safety
[4:10:17] if possible. But it hasn't been evaluated formally. I
[4:10:19] was not aware of cut
[4:10:22] through traffic but if
[4:10:24] there's any ways for the hoa to under
[4:10:25] take some measures to
[4:10:27] try to reduce some things I would
[4:10:28] be
[4:10:30] all for that. But sorry that's really occurring. That's
[4:10:34] the first time I've ever
[4:10:35] heard of that one there. And, but
[4:10:37] then I've got to
[4:10:38] also reflect to the applicant, that they've
[4:10:40] done a lot, a lot
[4:10:42] on the site to really try to make it
[4:10:43] better. And I
[4:10:46] feel like they've done a lot of things
[4:10:48] to actually make it better than what
[4:10:49] was initially approved. So
[4:10:52] those are just my
[4:10:55] thoughts. Any other thoughts by
[4:11:01] the commission? Okay is there a
[4:11:10] motion by the commission? I
[4:11:13] will
[4:11:19] make a motion to approve
[4:11:22] sandy lake
[4:11:31] plot 1-a to lot 1 block a.
[4:11:32] >> you
[4:11:33] also
[4:11:34] have the plat, if you
[4:11:37] would include that.
[4:11:38] >> and the replat. >> that
[4:11:39] was
[4:11:40] item 13 on
[4:11:43] the agenda there. So we have a motion by commissioner
[4:11:46] dobmeier is there a second.
[4:11:47] >> I'll
[4:11:49] second it.
[4:11:50] >> we have
[4:11:52] a second by commissioner
[4:11:55] hafemann.
[4:11:56] >> please respond by
[4:11:58] saying aye or nae.
[4:11:59] >>
[4:12:00] commissioner dobmeier.
[4:12:01] >> aye. >>
[4:12:02] commissioner
[4:12:03] blankenship.
[4:12:04] >> aye. >> commissioner
[4:12:05] the
[4:12:06] haas.
[4:12:07] >> aye. >> commissioner bishop. >>
[4:12:08] aye.
[4:12:09] >> all approve, none opposed. >>
[4:12:10] thank you to the al
[4:12:11] cant. -- applicant. Thank you for
[4:12:13] the residents who
[4:12:16] have provided input. This
[4:12:19] must
[4:12:22] still go through
[4:12:25] the council. So --we did
[4:12:28] meet in presession to
[4:12:31] review those. I'm
[4:12:34] going to pass that. Item
[4:12:35] 15 is adjournment. Unless there's
[4:12:37] any other comments