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Good evening, everybody. I now call to order the regular meeting of the city council and housing authority for Tuesday, October 7th, 2025. Now, please join me in standing and we'll sing the national anthem together, and then we'll say the Pledge of Allegiance together.

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, now is the time for our moment of solemn expression.

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And today we have, from redemption, church, a very important person in our community, Pastor

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Christine, no, to help us with this, and please, in these times, could you please lead us in a prayer?

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Sure, thank you, Mayor.

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Hello, Council, and hello to all my neighbors.

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I was thinking earlier today about, why do we do this?

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What's the point of a moment of solemn expression?

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And I looked up the definition of the word, solemn, which I think leads us to the point.

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It's serious, sincere, dignified, I think it's a reminder for us to center ourselves on the issues that are waiting for our community.

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The decisions you have before you, the discussions that we have as a community impact the way we live together.

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They impact our environment, many times the impact our housing and our livelihoods.

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And so I was just reminded of what it is

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that we're here together to do.

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And regarding the expression point

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that led me to just want to express my gratitude

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to you for serving our community.

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Often when I do this, I try to discern

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what's the word needed in the moment.

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And some of you I know, some of you I don't know.

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Some of us have collaborated together, some of us haven't.

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But regardless of my relationship to you,

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want to express my gratitude to you because you serve us in a time when I think we've lost

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our way in what it means to serve and disagree civically and I want to thank you for doing

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that well in our community.

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So I just offer a reminder from the scriptures that I follow in Matthew 25.

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It says, Jesus called them together and said, you know that the rulers lured it over them and their high officials exercised authority over them, but not so with you.

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Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant and whoever wants to be first must be your slave, just as I came not to be served but to serve and to give my life for many.

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So I just invite us in the remainder of my time to all of us together quietly pray for humility.

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thank you for the people who serve our community.

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Not just the council here, but the staff, my neighbors, those who care, one for another, in many, many ways, those who are represented here in this room and all the communities and neighborhoods that they represent. And God, I want to bless this council. I bless them for their service. I ask your blessing over them, ask for your wisdom and your humility as they,

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to certain these important issues before our community this evening.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Thank you, Pastor.

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Madam Clerk, would you please do the roll call?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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The record will reflect that all councils present except for Council Member Marth.

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Madam City Attorney, do you have a closed session report?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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We were able to get through some of the closed session items.

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direction was given on those, we do have three more items that we will need to take up at the end of the regular session this evening.

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Should there be any reporting out for that, I can do that after the remainder of the closed session.

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Thank you, Madam City Attorney.

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Okay, so we have four presentations today.

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The first one is for breast cancer awareness month.

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Tonight, we have the honor of recognizing breast cancer awareness month by

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by presenting a proclamation to an organization that has been a true leader in the fight against

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cancer.

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The City of Hope, let's give it up for the City of Hope.

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Each October communities across the nation come together and raise awareness about the risks

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of breast cancer.

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Promote education to those susceptible to the disease, support research, encourage early

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detection, and advocate for effective treatment.

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This month gives us a chance not only to remember those who have lost their lives to this terrible disease,

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but also to support those still battling breast cancer and to celebrate the survivors who continue to inspire us with their strength and resilience.

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Here in Orange County City of Hope plays an exemplary role in this effort.

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At the City of Hope, Orange County, Lennar Foundation Cancer Center, the most advanced

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cancer center in the county, patients receive every aspect of care they need in one place,

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from prevention through survivorship.

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Since opening their first Orange County clinic location in 2020, the City of Hope has already

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cared for more than 40,000 patients.

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This December, the City of Hope will also open Orange County's only cancer specialty hospital on its Irvine academic cancer campus.

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Expanding access to life-saving treatments, clinical trials, and world-renowned expertise for the 3.2 million people who call Orange County home.

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Although breast cancer mortality rates have dropped, thanks to early detection and improved

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treatments, breast cancer remains the leading cause of cancer death in women ages 20 to 49.

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Underscoring the importance of awareness and continued innovation and care.

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So now I'd like to invite up to the podium, Melanie Leach, imaging service manager at the

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the City of Hope to provide some remarks.

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And while she's walking up, I'm going to read from the proclamation that we're going to present to Melanie after she's done speaking.

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And here's starting with the recitals.

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Whereas approximately one in eight US women will develop invasive breast cancer during their lifetime.

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Whereas in 2025, approximately 2,800 new cases of invasive breast cancer are expected to be diagnosed in men in the United States with about 510 expected deaths, whereas during the breast cancer awareness month, we honor the courage, resilience and strength of breast cancer survivors, offer our heart-felt support and prayers to those currently battling disease,

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is, remember, lives lost and stand with families impacted by this journey.

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And whereas the City of Hope is a nationally recognized leader in cancer care, conducting

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groundbreaking clinical-

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Local trials, and providing compassionate, patient-centered treatment right here in Orange County. Now, therefore, on behalf of the great city of Costa Mesa, I, John B. Stevens, the mayor, do hereby proclaim the month of October, 2025, as breast cancer awareness month in Costa Mesa. We encourage all residents to raise awareness, support, education, and early detection efforts, and partner with leaders, like the city of Hope, in the fight against

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breast cancer. And with that, Ms. Leach, you have the floor for a few words.

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Okay. Thank you, Mayor Stevens and the Costa Mesa City Council for inviting me here tonight and for this

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commendation. We appreciate the City of Costa Mesa recognizing breast cancer awareness month and the

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City of Hope Orange County's contributions to the community. breast cancer impacts one in eight

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women in their lifetimes and one in seven women in Orange County. We are seeing rises in the

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disease in younger women.

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Throughout October, breast cancer providers across the national system are wearing pink

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lab coats.

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This pink is for a purpose.

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It's a visible sign of our commitment to keep advancing breast cancer treatment and cures.

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It's also a call for action for wider access to breast cancer screenings, more research focused

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on breast cancer in younger women and earlier risk assessments.

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At City of Hope we only focus on cancer.

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We are proud to say that our Cancer Center in Irvine City of Hope Orange County Linar Cancer Foundation Center is the most advanced in all of Orange County.

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We offer comprehensive breast cancer prevention and treatment services, including state-of-the-art mammography at our Cancer Center.

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We're committed to improving the health of our community for our friends and neighbors.

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In less than two months we're opening our, sorry, in less than two months we're opening

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our Orange County's only cancer specialty hospital, bringing more cancer expertise

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to our community.

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I'd like to leave you with a few final words.

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If you are a woman 40 or older, please schedule your mammogram.

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You can call us at 949-671-4100.

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Please know that our breast cancer specialists only focus on this disease and we are here to help you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All

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right, Council, let's go down and take a photo.

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Quick one, will you?

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All right, everyone.

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We won, so now we're moving to our second presentation for the Newport Mesa Girl Softball 8U Nighthawks.

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Let's give it up for her.

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So let's hear about the nighthawks and I want to tell the girls I tell them a little story, so I'm going to tell them a little story.

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So our second presentation tonight highlights the outstanding talent and determination of young athletes right here in our community.

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This summer, the Newport Mesa Girl Softball 8U Nighthawks all stars competed in the district

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championship and has achieved something historic.

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They advance further than ever before, finishing in fourth place and qualifying for the state

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tournament.

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of the 12 play.

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Members, on the A.U. All-Star team, six live in Costa Mesa. Yeah,

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along with their coach, coach Jack Boyle. You live in Costa Mesa, great. And these young athletes represent the spirit of teamwork, dedication, and perseverance. And we are incredibly proud of their accomplishments. Okay, so I'm going to call Coach Boyle up to present the certificates to you but I told you I tell you a story. This story is about the

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happiest moment of my life okay and the happiest moment of my life happened I

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had Thornton Park and I was in the first-based coaching box coaching an eight

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you softball team girls just like you and I had girls anywhere from eight to six

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on my team as a matter of fact the six six-year-olds on my team one of them was

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the pitcher and the other one was a good player and both of them eventually played

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in college but so we're at this game and I was coaching a team called the Cherry

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And it was a wrecked team just like you.

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It's a pretty cool name out of Fountain Valley.

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And we're playing against the Santa Ana team.

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We're a half a game up in the standings

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and it's toward the end of the year.

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And we should have beat this team by a lot.

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And for some reason we were the home team.

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It's very important to this story.

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And somehow we were down by five runs

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going into the last bottom of the last inning.

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First girl gets out.

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Second girl gets a triple, but she overruns

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third base and gets tagged out by the third baseman.

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So there we were.

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We had nobody on, two outs, and we're down by five runs.

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So a couple of girls get on base

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and we somehow we scratched out three runs.

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So now we're down by two runs and we get a couple

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of other girls on base and a little girl comes up

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and her name is Stephanie Sy.

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I'll never, I mean, I will never forget this to the day I die, I can tell this story.

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So she gets up and Stephanie was a special player.

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She came out after the draft, she came to play on my team.

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She started the year and she just came out with her glove and it still had a price tag dangling

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from the bottom of the glove.

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I said, let's cut the price tag off and she had some of the best hand eye coordination

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of any kid I ever coached.

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I coached Softball for 11 years.

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I coached Softball and Lidley and we'll get to Lidley later for a total of 18 years.

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So she gets up in Thornton Park, two runners on base, two outs, and she hits this ball over

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the right fielder set.

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Now this was in 2008, I didn't tell you that.

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The ball is still rolling, she hit it so far.

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And she comes around first base, second base, and I'm screaming and you know that coaches

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know I'm waving my arms.

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I'm saying sender, sender, sender, and I'm losing it, and she scores the last run.

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We win the game by one, walk off, free run, home run for Stephanie.

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We were down five runs with nobody on and two outs, and we win the game.

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I'm still ecstatic.

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It was the happiest moment of my life.

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I have got four kids.

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Their birth does not even come anywhere near.

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I don't know if I told you, Stephanie went on to play and she was a great high school player for

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Fountain Valley, the two six-year-olds, I think, played in college.

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One of them played catcher for Harvard University in the Ivy League.

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So anyway, so I say to Stephanie, I go, Stephanie, if you play a thousand games,

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You'll never hit it hit like that. And I don't think she ever did, but she was a good player.

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And the parents were beside themselves. It was pandamodium. And I can't even imagine how

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excited your parents were when you won these games. Oh my gosh. So kids,

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you bring so much joy to your parents. You bring so much joy to your coaches. And I just want to

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honor you. And I know that some of these parents, you've given them the happiest days of their

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of their lives. So with that coach, you have the floor.

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Thank you, Mayor Stevens. Thank you, Christmas City Council.

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I'm not sure I can top that story, but it's nice to know that you know your ball, so that's good.

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And that's a testament to baseball and softball as a sport, which makes it one of the greatest sports on Earth is the fact that no matter how far you're down, there's no time limit.

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You can always come back. So, you never give up and good things can happen.

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And these girls embody that philosophy of never giving up the most fun girls I've had to come

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I've coached several seasons as well, not quite as many as you, but I'm working on it. I also have three daughters. But this team was just special from the start. They worked hard. They kept a positive mental attitude. They never gave up. And most importantly, they had fun, right? Girls, do you have fun? Yes. Those tournaments and the state tournament Lancaster were some of the best times I've had as a coach. And I know some of the families have articulated that to me as well.

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hanging out, not just playing the games, but in between the games and just bonding as a team and as families.

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And part of this is, I couldn't have done this, we couldn't have done this without incredible support of coaches.

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We have two here, in addition to me, we're missing two others, but incredibly supportive families.

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Everybody jelled, everybody got together, everybody was positive, and that's not always the case in youth sports.

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So I want to thank all the families for being so supportive for our girls.

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So, without further ado, I'm so proud to give you girls these certificates and when I call your name, I'll hand you the certificate and please stay up here because we're going to take a picture, okay?

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So, the first girl is Stella Alderette.

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Next girl is Dottie Boyle.

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Evie Cox,

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Hannah Domosek,

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Hadley Fabian,

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Vinnie Foley,

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Adrian Yadi,

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Touloua Messner,

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Lightning Lizzy Stone,

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last, certainly not least, Maddie Wang.

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And then my fellow coaches, Carlos Aldorette,

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and Alyssa Yadi.

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Thank you.

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All right, council, let's go.

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all right our net we have another great praise we have two more presentations

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regarding Little League so the next one is for Gavin Brand and away to your

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read.

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I'll read it, you listen. It's a really remarkable story. So our third presentation this evening is a special recognition for remarkable young man in our community, Gavin Branden, age 12, from Costa Mesa, Little League. There you go, woo.

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Gavin recently made our entire community proud by advancing to the semifinals and

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the T-Mobile Little League home run derby, the national Little League home run derby.

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Over the summer he competed in the regional finals in Atlanta, Georgia during the Major

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League Baseball All-Star Weekend where he hit an incredible 24 home runs, earning him

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a spot in the top four in the nation and the honor of representing the West region in the

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finals.

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Can you believe he's from Costa Mesa?

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Gavin then traveled to Williamsport, Pennsylvania,

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which is the headquarters of Little League Baseball.

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And he competed on the national stage

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with his performance broadcast live on ESPN just last Friday.

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His journey began right here in the great city of Costa Mesa.

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In June, Gavin won the District 62 home run derby with an impressive 55 home runs in a single day.

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55 home runs,

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that's unbelievable.

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Gavin, your dedication, hard work and sportsmanship have inspired not only your teammates and family but the entire Costa Mesa community and the Nighthawks.

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You have shown what it means to dream big and to represent your hometown with pride.

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At this time, I would like to invite Gavin's coach to the podium to share a few words about his accomplishments on behalf of the city of Costa Mesa.

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It is my honor to recognize you, Gavin, for this outstanding achievement and to celebrate your accomplishments to the proud story of the great Costa Mesa little league.

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Congratulations, Gavin. Come on up, Coach.

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Come on up, Gavin. Come on up, Coach.

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So, where's Gavin's coach? Brian, yeah, come on up. Come on up, Brian, you come up.

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And Gavin, Gavin, you come up too with your coach. This is Gavin, right here.

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I'm here.

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How about here?

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You know this is like my favorite thing to do on the planet, and that's talking in front

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of a bunch of people.

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But I will say while I was technically his coach, I think I was just his biggest fan.

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I was his first base coach, and all I did all season was give him a high five after every

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home runny hit and just walked around the bases.

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It was probably like my favorite season of all time.

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I've never seen a kid like this.

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He's not a kid you have to coach.

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He says thank you after every practice in every game,

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and he's just a pleasure to coach.

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Love you, man.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that,

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that, that, how'd you do it?

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How do you hit so many home runs?

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I don't know.

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I shut up with the bed on the bones.

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We're all very proud of you Gavin and we're going to take a photo with you now, okay?

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All right, wait, let's hear it for Gavin.

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And nobody leave after this.

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We got a fourth presentation.

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All right. So we have one more, we have one more little league presentation, and it's a very special presentation for the entire little league. It's a combination for the outgoing little league president, Brian Clark. Brian.

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So here, here's a few words about Brian. Brian has dedicated over a decade of volunteer service to Costa Mesa little league, exemplifying strong morals, ethics, and character, and setting a standard for others to follow.

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Brian Clark has been an integral part of Costa Mesa Little League since 2016, serving on the Costa Mesa Little League board for more than six years and most recently as the president from 2023 to 2025.

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During his tenure as president, which concluded on October 1, 2025, Brian led a thriving lead with an average annual registration of 735 players across spring and fall seasons, supporting approximately 56 spring teams and over 150 volunteer parents management managers coaches and board members each year and they all had an opinion.

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He doesn't say that, I just know it's true.

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Under his leadership, Costa Mesa Little League celebrated numerous accomplishments including

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multiple District 62 All-Star Banners in 2024, a District 62 Tournament of Champions

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Banner in 2024, and critical facility enhancements such as New Turf installation, John Deere Utility

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community vehicles, new scoreboards, dug out shade structures, and snack bar improvements

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that became a highlight for players and families alike.

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Beyond these tangible improvements, Brian's most enduring legacy is the strong and vibrant

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community culture he fostered when built on teamwork, integrity, and shared commitment

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to use sports.

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courts. Clark served as a role model and mentored many young athletes through his career

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inspiring and encouraging them to reach their full potential. The city of Costa Mesa also

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extends heartfelt gratitude to Brian's wife Terry for her constant support and their

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son Spencer who played in Costa Mesa American Little League in Bradley or sorry I said

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with Costa Mesa little league, I'm sorry, I used to call it Costa Mesa American little league,

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who is entering his final season for their shared dedication and contribution to this meaningful journey.

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The city of Costa Mesa recognizes Brian's South leadership, exemplary community service,

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and dedication to faithfully overseeing use sports in our community.

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And it goes on now, therefore I, John B. Stevens, the mayor of the great city of Costa Mesa,

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I do hereby proclaim this special commendation to Brian Clark in recognition of his service

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and dedication to the Costa Mesa community and Costa Mesa little league players, coaches,

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and families.

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President Clark, come on out, President,

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President, yeah, yeah, you have definitely earned

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the floor.

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Oh, thank you.

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And like any good baseball family, my wife is in Santa Margarita with my son at baseball

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practice and my younger son, it was taken home by his coach, came here from

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practice. But just as they say, thank you. Thank you for support. Many of you've

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been here for opening days. I know Brian is back here who oversees help with

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us with this wonderful staff, with the support.

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You know, a couple of things is

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a little bit about use sports. It is important, you know, to our community. It's

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important that we have great opportunities. I'm always prideful. I want to

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I think some of our board members are here, Rachel, Coral, Folk, Nguyen, and Mario, Washington.

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And many others who aren't here, it's all volunteer lead.

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We're all here to really make the best experience for everyone in Costa Mesa, and

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just want to thank you for the continued support.

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I think the one thing that I'm most proud of is that many people have a great experience in Lidliga.

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And it's really become a big community experience.

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It's one where we've really supported and encouraged others to come back.

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And it's one where kids have not just played for one year but it played for 10.

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Both my kids, my older one, he aged out but will have been there from age four.

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12. And in the same league, made friends with the people I just mentioned, a folk has been my vice president by my side for two years. We have spent a lot of time texting each other, talking about what field equipment we should buy and obsessing over the weather and whether or not the fields will be open. So happy to pass that on to my new president, Theresa Byrne. And thank you so much for the recognition. Appreciate it.

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and happy to serve, thank you.

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first thing ever, is

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there any more?

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Bye bye girls, bye bye everybody.

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Thanks for coming, thanks for coming.

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All right everybody, now it's time for public comments to be heard at this time.

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You can speak about anything on the consent calendar, and you can also speak about anything that's not on the one of our regular

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items. So pretty much everything except what's on our

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public hearing and our old business items today.

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You get three minutes. You're going to hear a little beep at two minutes. Please wrap it up at that point in time.

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We'll go to the people within the chambers first, and then we'll get our public commenters on Zoom.

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If you're speaking English to Spanish translation, you get five minutes.

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Everybody please, you can say whatever you want, no problem with the content.

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Just be respectful in the sense that don't interrupt or disrupt anybody who's speaking.

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And then you can clap afterwards, but don't disrupt or interrupt anybody who's speaking.

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So with that, ma'am, you've got the floor.

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Hi, my name is Wendy Simo. I'm here about the gym at 140 East 17th Street. So, you guys did your little noise sample or whatever.

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And then you guys now continually see, let the gym open their door at 7 a.m., it's not hot outside. There's nothing hot about sign.

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and then they keep it open, they'll shut it whenever they don't have workouts and then they open it again until 8.30 at night from 7 a.m.

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to 8.30 at night our community has to hear an instructor 4.3.2.1 any type of music they want and the city's like oh well

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they just need to ventilate their gym you know put the fan in front of the fire safety door so they can get probably a

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circulation, so I want to know, is it just gyms that you allow not to have proper circulation?

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Or is there other branches of businesses out there that aren't required to have proper circulation?

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For the health and welfare of the people at their establishment.

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Is there any other place in Costa Mesa that lets their main source of business outside of its building?

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Constantly, and the city does nothing about it?

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I know you guys did your little on this.

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Classical, sound sample, I know all about it. You guys can find it online, I'm sure. But it made the gym what, golden, they knit, but the gym isn't golden because I live right across from it, less than 200 feet yards, whatever from it. Constantly all day. Could you guys imagine if you guys had to deal with that all day, whenever you're home, you just want to sit outside, relax. And you got to hear somebody screaming on a microphone, having a workout. Would you want any of your family, any of your

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Your friends have to go through this because our community has to go through it every day.

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Sunday through Sunday, every day, every day, never goes away.

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And I don't understand why it still goes on.

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It's just beyond me.

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You know, I may not email my council member.

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I send you guys evidence, and then the evidence that I sent that you guys played last time

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I was here was awfully low, but it wasn't so low that somebody from the city called me and

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I was like, hey, when did this happen?

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What's going on because it was very loud, but you guys made it seem like it wasn't that loud.

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But yeah, you're here for us, right?

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You're sticking up for us?

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Yes?

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I'm Dana Lavon, and how are you guys today?

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I have been coming here quite a few times to talk about something that's very near and dear to my heart.

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It's the TNR program.

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7 years ago, I was elected to the Animal Services Committee, and I submitted the TNR program that I thought that we could copy.

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And it kept going to, whoever was going to be in charge, and it kept coming back.

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We need more information, we need more information.

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So we submitted something else, we need more information.

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7 years later, I figured, well, if you need more information, let me figure out how I can

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give you the information. And I went online and I found, just like, if you're aware, we

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have a coyote website where if you see a coyote, you put it in the website, so the police

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department can track it. Well, I found the same type of program for

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So I gave it to the, I think, the lieutenant at a meeting.

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She has all the information of what this website does, how easy it is to use.

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And meanwhile, nothing has been done.

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So I just have to say that I'm not sure if you're serious about it and obviously not because it's very important.

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And all these kittens now are being sent to priceless pets.

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Nobody wants all these kittens, by the time they get older, no one wants an older cat they want to kitten.

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So it's not fair to the kittens, it's not fair to the people that take care of the furlough community because they have to go out and buy all the food and keep them alive.

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And I'm still at a loss as to why we cannot have a program.

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And I feel that I've given you all the information you have requested on, you wanted numbers.

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This is a way to track your numbers.

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And I just wanted you to know that this has been very frustrating and I'm really sorry

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that it's happening.

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Thank you.

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I have been a resident of Costa Mesa for 33 years, I attended Costa Mesa High School and my husband went to Estancia.

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We both attended OCC.

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His parents bought their home here in 1968, and he and I have lived in our home here since 2008.

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I own my own business here in town, and my husband teaches at Newport, Macy Unified School District.

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All three of our children have had their first jobs here in Costa Mesa, and my son and I have been volunteers of priceless pets.

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As you can see, we have a vested interest in Costa Mesa.

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I've been involved with attempting to rescue some of the hundreds of stray and feral cats here in our city.

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I've personally had 28 kittens in my home at one time,

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raising them to be old enough to be spayed or neutered and get adopted.

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In addition, all four of my pet cats came to me from our city's streets.

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I feel so grateful for the small part I've been able to do to decrease the seemingly endless cycle of cats

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having kittens, but it's not enough. I'm not individually.

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Equipped to finance and sustain an ongoing kitten rescue and adoption program indefinitely. The kitten factories just keep making more. We need TNR to be legal in this city so that anyone can ethically participate in helping reduce the excess production of new kittens. This method has a proven track record of curbing the increase in feral cat populations. This should not be prohibited by the city of Costa Mesa.

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allowing TNR benefits the whole city. The unchecked increase of feral cats

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multiplies unsanitary scats in people's yards. They subsist by killing and

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eating songbirds. They attract and feed coyotes which in turn multiply and

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prey on citizens pets. Sweet feral kittens have to struggle to find food to

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avoid being eaten by predators, getting hit by cars or suffering from disease and

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exposure. And our community members suffer emotionally when they find starving kittens

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that they can't even turn over to animal control because priceless pets is full. Decreasing

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the feral cat population through TNR will reduce the associated harms. Please help make

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our city healthier, safer, and more humane. Please make this an agenda item so that we can

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make progress on legalizing TNR and Costa Mesa. Thank you.

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Yes,

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ma'am.

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Good evening.

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My name is Angela Mennaris, and I'm a Costa Mesa resident speaking its part of TNR

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trap neuter release, as most humane and effective way to manage our community's free roaming

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cats.

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TNR is simple, science-based approach, cats are humane, trapped, spayed or neutered, vaccinated,

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and then returned to their outdoor homes.

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This stops the breeding cycle, reduces news and behaviors, and allows population to decline

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naturally over time.

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Vaccinations also protect the cats and help prevent the spread of diseases within the community.

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Across Orange County throughout California, cities embrace TNR and have seen real success.

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They've lowered shelter intake and youth and major rates, saved taxpayer dollars,

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and built strong partnerships between residents, volunteers, and animal services.

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It's a compassionate solution that reflects who we are as a community.

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Carrying, responsible, and forward-thinking.

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Community cats didn't choose this life.

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They're here because of human behavior.

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And it's up to us to respond humanely and responsibly.

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Tina gives us that path.

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One that works for both people and animals.

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I urge the City Council to support Tina programs and partnerships,

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so Costa Mesa can continue to be a leader in the main effect of animal care.

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Thank you for your time and continue service.

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Thank you, Angela.

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Good evening there in City Council.

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My name is Mike Rau.

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By way, I have a little background.

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I am an alum of the University of UCLA, where I created and directed a program for

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undergraduates at the Institute for Applied Mathematics.

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at UCLA, my graduate degrees are in mathematics

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from Stanford University, PhD, and Master's degree.

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So just a little bit of background.

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I lived in Irvine and I've learned a lot about OCPA.

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Delay the vote to join OCPA until an independent

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risk study is commissioned and much more outreach is made

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to inform Costa Mesa that joining OCPA would opt in the entire city and the entire city could

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pay more for electricity than under SE Edison. What would it cost an average residence or business

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if Costa Mesa joins OCPA? OCPA publishes a joint rate mailer and the CPU California Public Utilities

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commission, website, publishes rate comparisons to informed consumers.

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But OCPA didn't show the dollar numbers in their September 2nd presentation,

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nor was this data included in the agenda packet.

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It's a big red warning flag that OCPA chose not to disclose the dollar cost.

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Currently, an OCPA average monthly electric bill is $105 per month for

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residents and 260 bucks for businesses.

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If Costa Mesa joins OCPA and chooses the proposed smart choice service under the current

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rates, residents will pay an average of $50 per year more than they would to Edison and

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business is $70.

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There's more than to Edison. Under OCPA's 100% renewable plan, residents would pay $70 per year more and businesses 130 more. OCPA does have a basic choice plan which they use as a lure, the so-called 3% less on generation that could save two or $3 per month, but basic choice greenhouse gas emissions are much higher than Edison. That is greenhouse gas emissions.

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emissions are much higher than Edison.

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OCPA didn't explain either on September 2nd, another big red flag.

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OCPA is losing money so when they move to rates based on cost recovery,

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they will probably likely change more.

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The phrase cost recovery was in OCPA's presentation,

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but the implications were not explained.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Jim, you've got the floor.

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Mr. Mayor, I have a presentation.

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You might, I don't know if it's up, but you might want to go to the next speaker.

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Do we have it?

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Yeah, it's all right, we can just wait.

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Do you want to wait or do you want to go to the next speaker, Madam Clerk?

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Oh, it's up, it's not on our, there it is, I got it, we have it.

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You're ready to go.

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Thank you.

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Ready when you are.

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We're ready.

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Excellent. Through the mayor, disappointed the council member, Mara isn't here to hear from the constituent's instead of an ethics policy, maybe we need an attendance policy.

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I rise tonight in support, in appreciation for the city council's bold and bipartisan action, necessary action to terminate the relationship with the former absentee city manager.

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absolutely necessary to move forward.

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And I encourage you to defend the frivolous lawsuit vigorously.

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A couple of things I wanted to bring you to your attention to say,

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we're not done, it's just the beginning.

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Tony, can you advance that for me? Thanks, buddy.

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So, we spent $3.5 million on Tessa, right?

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I've been asking anyone who listened, counsel and staff,

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please provide me facts and data that I know is available

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because I see it in other cities.

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How long does a permit take in Costa Mesa?

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Do you know how many reports we've seen

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since we implemented the three and a half million dollar solution?

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Not a one.

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By now you've figured out what this chart is.

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Fast as blue, red is slow.

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We are the only city that is even a shade of red.

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It is bright glowing red.

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Congratulations.

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You will not be receiving a participation trophy tonight

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like we've seen.

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In fact, we're tied for a last in the state.

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We also just received a letter from the same HCCD that provides this because the city won't.

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Of a noncompliance on our housing element.

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We missed the date.

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Oops.

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Do you know what that means?

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We are subject to builders remedy.

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I am now getting calls from the community saying, let's go and coast the mesa.

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They can't stop us.

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I just think that's a problem.

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So during council comments, I am expecting every single council member to look,

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left down the desk and say, city manager, will somebody reach out to Jim Fitzpatrick?

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He knows the exact reports that we want to see and we need a solution.

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Somebody needs to call Mayor Alex down Laguna, he figured it out, he figured it out.

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Next one, here we have city council caring loudly, we have the city of Newport Beach.

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Could you advance that time?

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City of Newport Beach coming over here, cutting checks, throwing their issues over the fence and coast of Mesa, right?

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Next slide, this is alarming.

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What you tried to do was convert the Motel 6.

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You created more calls for service at Mesa Vista than the problem Motel, the Vagabond Inn.

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Again, in comments, city manager, bring this back to council.

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We need a study of this and we need solutions.

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You've come after sober living homes because they don't have the right management.

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They're not creating any issues here, the city is.

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Lastly, we're in a structural budget deficit.

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This HDL report was laid.

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The people at the bottom could do advanced that, Tony.

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The people at the bottom of this list, the council, the planning commission,

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the fire pack, the Chamber of Commerce aren't receiving this important information

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during a structural budget deficit.

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City Manager, could you fix this?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jim.

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Yes, ma'am, we have the floor.

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I'm Vicki Johnson, and I have a slide.

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Okay, just wait, wait, let's get the slide before he start talking.

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Let's make sure we have it.

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Vicki Johnson.

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Vicki Johnson, okay.

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Hello, city council and mayor. My name is Vicki Vicki. Let's get your slide up. Okay, we got it. Vicki. It's okay. Vicki, you're ready to go. We have your slide. You're ready? Okay, I'm so sorry. I don't care. It's okay. Hello, city council and mayor. I'm Vicki Johnson. I'm here as a resident of Orange County to urge you. Do not vote to join the Orange County power authority.

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The power OCPA purchases affects the air we all breathe.

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The 2020 for power content labels were just published October 1st.

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These are California mandated disclosures about greenhouse gas emissions by electricity providers.

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They are very important disclosures to protect us like the ingredients labels for food.

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The greenhouse gas emissions are expressed to CO2 equivalents per megawatt hour.

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Reducing emissions is the key climate goal.

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This 224, 2024 data for OCPA is alarming.

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OCPA's basic choice power has almost twice the emissions of SE's default power.

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SCE-515, OCPA-942 circled in red. Lower is better. OCPA-942 is almost twice as dirty

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as SCE-515. This is very concerning. For half of 2024, Huntington Beach was on basic

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until it exited. Now all of Irvine is on basic choice this year. OCPA never gave

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a warning that basic choice power was so dirty near the top of the

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emission scale. 2023 basic choice emissions were also higher than SE. OCPA's

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smart choice has higher emissions than SE's 50% green rate and SEPE's

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community solar and OCPA charges a premium for smart choice.

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OCPA will not disclose the power it purchases, even under

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NDA. OCPA's lack of transparency about power purchases was

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cited by the County of Orange, including Supervisor Folling,

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your ex- mayor, your costumator and Huntington Beach also

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cited this as reasons they exited OCPA. OCPA makes no guarantees

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about lower rates or lower greenhouse gas emissions than SCE, no guarantees.

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This data shows OCPA isn't able to meet climate goals more affordably than SCE.

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Do not vote to join OCPA.

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The SCE's community solar is a great option.

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They keep telling you there's no choice.

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SCE offers a community solar option.

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It's individual enrollment, it saves 10% off of generation.

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And you can see here that it's emissions is lower than OCPA's offerings for smart choice.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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You have the floor.

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Hi, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Madam Attorney, Madam, this is the manager.

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or my name is Stacey Bushee.

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You may or may not have seen an email that I sent earlier

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today.

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You, yes, that is part of it, one of the attachments.

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I had the pleasure of attending a webinar this weekend

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but I wouldn't highly encourage all of you

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to attend as well, $10.

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And I included an attachment from that webinar.

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It's a TNR handbook.

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and the webinar was persuading municipal officials to go with TNR and I think you'll

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find everything in here to answer any questions you have about whether or not a TNR program

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is right for any city, not just our city.

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So about seven months ago is when I was alerted to the fact that TNR is not really allowed

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in Costa Mesa because there's a problem with the release of the animals.

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So I attended an animal services committee meeting in February, Madam Mayor, sorry, Mr.

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Mayor, you're there.

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And fortunately it was determined that same day along with the city attorney and the police

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chief and Mayor Stevens that for the last seven years the animal services committee was

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spinning their wheels, trying to amend or rewrite sections 3-1, 3-2.

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6 and 3-15. Unfortunately, it turns out that was the wrong ordinance. They should have been looking at 3-5-4 and or 3-5-3. And right there, in black and white, it gives the shelter authority as an agent of the government to release these cats. So, that was seven months ago. It's been seven months now. So, I want to know where are we with this. I understand, Mr. Mayor, that you had a agenda report ready to go.

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and at that meeting you said that you were in fact not going to present that agenda report

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because with this new information you're going to have to edit it and that that decision

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light in your hands. You said that it's your decision whether you ask Council for more

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01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:59,800
staff time and until then the staff is not authorised. So are we authorising that? What are

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agenda or can another member please help us out here? I mean, it's been so long.

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Seven years looking at the wrong codes and now we're waiting to just get

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authorization to talk about getting time to study it and then what? How much

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more time do we have to keep allowing? How much longer does our shelter have to

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keep paying the price to remove these cats because they can't release them here?

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So I hope you all look through the information I gave you, I mean really there's nothing

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that doesn't cover.

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Okay.

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Can you guys hear me?

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01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,500
Good evening, Mayor Stevens and City Council members.

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,540
Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.

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My name is Megan.

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I've been a resident for Costa Mesa for the last ten years and I'm here again to speak on

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the urgent need for a trap new to return a release program for our city.

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Because my time is limited, I just want to share one story, many others are sharing the

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facts of why it's important, and I fully agree with them, but I just wanted to share a story.

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One that represents, I believe, what's happening all over Costa Mesa.

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For the past six months, I have been working in two junk yards where nearly 26 cats have struggled to survive.

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Without T&R, their lives would have been filled with suffering and much worse.

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From the colony of 26, two were killed, one is sweet, girl named Princess,

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friendly, trusting, and loved by the neighbors there.

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but before we could rescue her, she was killed after being hit by a car.

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The neighborhood built a small memorial that still stands today because her life mattered,

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and others have dropped off momentos to show her impact.

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Another was a six-month-old calico named Cali.

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Animal control ruled her death as also being hit by a car,

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but many of us believe something more sinister happened.

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As a neighbor made it clear, he was going to make cats disappear,

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and that's exactly what began to happen.

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I personally removed nine of the cats from that colony.

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Six were newborn kittens.

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I found panting from the heat and under palace.

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I bottle fed them for weeks while they were strong enough

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to move into a foster home.

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One cat Theo needed two eye surgeries,

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costing me $1,700 out of my own pocket.

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I can now happily say that he is thriving

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and in an adoptive home.

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Two teenage kittens remain with me.

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One survived blunt forced trauma,

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so severe that her intestines ruptured into her diaphragm

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and this was not after being hit by a car.

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Staving her life costs me $7,000 a debt I am still paying off.

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This isn't an isolated story.

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It's one of many playing across Costa Mesa, and while the city continues to do that, nothing, excuse me.

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A petition with over 800 signatures was started proving that this community wants a TNR program.

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The public supports it, the science supports it, but this council does not.

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Excuse me, let's see, to say at this point it doesn't come close, I'm angry, I'm heartbroken, and

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And I'm tired of begging the City Council to do the right thing.

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Costa Mises City that claims to value compassion, but compassion means action, not silence.

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Every week that passes without a TNR program,

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more cats die, more kittens are born, and the residents burn out trying to fix the problem.

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You've ignored the research, you've ignored the community, and you've ignored the suffering.

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Tonight, I'm asking you how many more cats need to die before the City Council acts.

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How many more residents have to spend their own money doing the job the City refuses to do.

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01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:25,070
So we cannot keep pretending this problem does not exist.

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I will leave you with this because I and others chose not to give up 24 of our colony cats can no longer reproduce.

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That is a progress made without your help.

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Imagine what we could accomplish with it.

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Thank you.

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01:04:40,660 --> 01:04:42,960
Yeah, yes, you have the floor, yes.

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:43,480
Sorry.

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01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:45,740
Hi, thank you.

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,600
My name is Diane Lugo-Edmondson, good afternoon, good evening.

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So, I'm kind of new at this, but I am with that TNR program, I see cats, I live in the community, I work in the community.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,980
committee, a shop in the community, I'm all over Costa Mesa. And very often I do see these little cats just wandering around. Some I've seen with kittens, little by little, some of these cats, I see less of until finally I don't see them. I don't know what's happened to them. Maybe a coyote got to them. When I call the city regarding coyotes, they tell me they can't do anything about it unless I have contained the coyote. How do you do that? So when I call regarding a cat,

650
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:35,960
that I've seen that needs help, I'm told, the shelters are full, I should call another

651
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,460
shelter called priceless pets.

652
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:41,040
I don't think priceless pets can do very much anymore right now.

653
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,380
They're hands are full, everybody is calling them, there's cats everywhere.

654
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:51,040
And they just scuttle and go underbrush or undercars when you try to call them out.

655
01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:54,840
You can put a can of food out there, but that doesn't help the problem.

656
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,960
I understand from the last meeting that I was here that something has been already

657
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:06,180
given to the council, like, and it's been table for years, like five years, and it's still going on.

658
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:11,120
So I'm asking also what everybody's been asking is what is the city going to do about it?

659
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,200
It's not fair to the cats, it's not fair to the community, it's not fair to us.

660
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:23,320
And if I run over a cat, that we've already addressed a problem with you, who is responsible for that?

661
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:25,200
Thank you.

662
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Thank you.

663
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,840
Good evening, Honourable Mayor and members of the City Council.

664
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,800
My name's Erica.

665
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:39,580
I'm speaking tonight to formally request the discussion of legalizing a trap new to return

666
01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:42,600
program be added to the next agenda for the City Council meeting.

667
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:49,060
I'm not alone in this request, a significant amount of costamase of residents support this

668
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:54,320
initiative, including the 887 individuals who have signed a change.org petition calling

669
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,280
for the legalization of TNR in the city.

670
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:01,220
As the City Council, you have vested interest in the public health wildlife preservation,

671
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:06,660
effective animal control, and responsible use of municipal resources in Costa Mesa.

672
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,960
Currently, the city's approach of relying solely on trap and remove or

673
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:17,080
euthanasia has proven to be an ineffective and costly method for managing the community cap population.

674
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,200
In contrast, the legal TNR program offers humane, sustainable,

675
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:26,260
and

676
01:07:26,260 --> 01:07:30,500
established collaborative framework involving animal services, local animal advocates,

677
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,380
and volunteer residents, and the veterinary providers like priceless pets.

678
01:07:34,940 --> 01:07:39,900
This framework could lead to greater transparency and a more effective management of the cat population.

679
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:44,220
By adding the discussion about legalization of TNR programs to the agenda,

680
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,800
you will be taking proactive steps to addressing growing community cat population,

681
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:52,960
reducing long-term costs associated with current animal control methods,

682
01:07:52,960 --> 01:08:03,100
improve the quality of life, all-coast-a-mace residents for all-coast-a-mace residents by reducing new-since behaviors associated with unfixed cat populations.

683
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:08,160
I, along with many others, thank you for your time and consideration of this important community issue.

684
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:09,040
Thank you.

685
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:10,260
Thank you.

686
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:14,540
Backly, you have the floor.

687
01:08:15,140 --> 01:08:16,600
Good evening. My name is Becca Walls.

688
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,060
I was on the Animal Service Committee for the first seven years.

689
01:08:19,060 --> 01:08:23,940
I was the chair for five of those years and no longer on that committee.

690
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:27,280
but I just want to first of all say, how many people in this room are here for TNR?

691
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:34,160
That's scary, I wish you could get that on TV, it's over half the chambers, raise your hand.

692
01:08:34,660 --> 01:08:36,400
So I do want to do a couple things here.

693
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:42,940
So we drafted an ordinance in 2020-2021, animal control at the time, turned it down.

694
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,020
We drafted that ordinance again in February.

695
01:08:45,620 --> 01:08:49,300
It was brought to the Animal Service Committee in March, it was brought to City Council.

696
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,160
There was some interest by City Council, I won't point out those folks.

697
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:58,180
but I have sent emails as well as others that I've been blind CCed on and we have not heard back from council members

698
01:08:58,180 --> 01:09:03,400
We would hope that we would at least get an acknowledgment even if it's an acknowledgment of I don't care

699
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,680
That's fine. I'd rather get something than nothing

700
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,500
We did a little

701
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,320
Change.org, which I kind of thought would be like a hundred people and as of right now

702
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:18,240
It's 891 people have signed that petition and per change change.org

703
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,840
It looks like two thirds of that are people within the Costa Mesa area

704
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,660
So that's a pretty significant amount of people who have interest in this.

705
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:28,360
My feeds on all social medias are flooded with supportive TNR.

706
01:09:28,940 --> 01:09:33,160
I understand that the data isn't exactly what the police department would like.

707
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:36,900
It will never be unless we have it legalized as the first step.

708
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,280
All these sob stories that you're hearing that people love cats and care about cats.

709
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:44,560
Hey, I'm a dog person, but I'm still here because animal lives matter.

710
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,860
That being said, those sob stories don't have to happen if we have TNR.

711
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,560
Those letters don't have to be born.

712
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,040
and those kittens don't have to suffer.

713
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:54,140
These ladies don't have to go out in the middle of the night

714
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:56,480
and save animals if we have TNR.

715
01:09:56,900 --> 01:09:58,880
And it's the R part that needs to be legalized.

716
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,940
is returning to the community.

717
01:10:01,820 --> 01:10:25,560
So what I'm asking from you guys today is transparency and communication about this. I know that the interim city manager when you first came on, you did acknowledge TNR, and I'm super grateful for that. Thank you for that. I understand at the last animal service committee meeting. It was said that it will be on the next agenda and that it's been worked on since I've left the animal service committee. It has not been actively worked on. So since March or April of this year.

718
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:32,200
So we have now given you six months, I have laid low for six months, and we are coming back saying, hey, where are we?

719
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:37,940
What is our update? So my request is a timeline for this to be an agenda item. You can tell me 24 months.

720
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:43,820
That's fine, but give us a timeline. Give us a factual timeline that we can hold you accountable to for what's next.

721
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,660
Also, a timeline for our memo to ask staff to continue to work on this, to get more information.

722
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:53,580
I think that that's fair. Staff has spent way more than four hours fighting this.

723
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:58,140
So let's give them time to actually work on this, a timeline for the change of the ordinance.

724
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,420
And then also in the 226 Animal Service Committee meeting, it was determined by the city attorney that

725
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:09,880
crisis pets could release cats, but the captain of the police said not without a process, and

726
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,220
that process is not been identified.

727
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:12,740
So those are my four requests.

728
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:13,720
Thank you so much.

729
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,280
Yes,

730
01:11:21,980 --> 01:11:25,500
good evening, excuse me, good evening mayor and council members.

731
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:33,420
As we have for the last seven years, private citizens continue to take responsibility for reducing the cat population in Costa Mesa.

732
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:40,660
As it stands now, the police department is researching best practices and is scheduled to share their information by the end of the year.

733
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:46,780
Information about TNR best practices has been shared with committee members for the last seven years.

734
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,260
Unfortunately, it hasn't made a difference or helped speed up the process.

735
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:55,900
During this time, the cat population has grown exponentially.

736
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:02,700
I don't know how many of you know that unlike dogs who only go into heat a couple times a year,

737
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:07,960
unspaid cats typically go into heat every two to three weeks.

738
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,920
60 days later, they have an average of four kittens.

739
01:12:13,220 --> 01:12:17,560
Four months later, all of those kittens become sexually mature and

740
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,680
they can all have a litter, a litter of kittens.

741
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,900
Unlike

742
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:35,230
the first cities who put TNR programs into practice, you have a group of people with years of experience and many webinar and conference hours continuing our education of TNR best practices.

743
01:12:36,010 --> 01:12:44,030
I would encourage those doing the research to take advantage of that knowledge and utilize the resource that is your community members.

744
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:45,230
Thank you.

745
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,920
Good evening, Mayor Stevens and City Council.

746
01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:57,840
My name is Ann Gildersley, I'm a resident of the city.

747
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,940
I'm also a Trapper, Rescuerre, Foster, Animal Advocate, mainly for cats.

748
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,080
I wanted to just come and show my support tonight, but

749
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:16,720
I did in February of last of this year send information over on studies that have been done on TNR.

750
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:29,900
And there aren't a lot of studies, but the studies that are out there all show that the reduction in cat populations in various communities where they've been studied is significantly high.

751
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:36,900
In some it's 50%, some it's 75, and some it's even up to 100% through attrition over time.

752
01:13:37,860 --> 01:13:46,140
So I would urge you to consider this some information about cats that a kitten, if it hasn't been socialized,

753
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:51,460
by the time it is three months old, something its brain shuts off, and it will become a feral cat.

754
01:13:51,940 --> 01:13:55,860
So there is no place for these feral cats, but out in our communities.

755
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:01,460
And then if someone doesn't fix these cats, then as the other, as the others have said,

756
01:14:01,700 --> 01:14:06,940
you're going to end up with so many cats that it's just overwhelming.

757
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:14,920
And I don't like being out at midnight trying to catch cats, but I do it because I want to try to reduce populations.

758
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,640
And this will also eventually reduce costs in the city as well.

759
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,980
Prices pets is overwhelmed and to the point where they now turn down people.

760
01:14:25,220 --> 01:14:27,800
They tell people, leave the cat where you found it.

761
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:30,220
I mean, this is difficult for residents.

762
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,260
Residents don't want to leave cats where they found them and not feed them, so they'll go away.

763
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:43,320
So I would urge you to consider putting into place a formal process like the last speaker just said,

764
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:48,800
But rely on some of your constituents here who have a lot of information.

765
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,040
We're happy to share anything we can with you.

766
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:51,880
Thank you.

767
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:53,800
Thank you.

768
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:59,710
Well, I am.

769
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,800
I wasn't going to speak to that because I've been losing my voice, but I've also been very depressed lately because of this subject of TNR. I have a rescue. I'm the founder of Forever Heaven. I've been doing this for six years. I've spent my entire inheritance on it. I fight all the time. I'm on Google search. I get calls all day long. People saying they've got litters of kittens. They don't know what to do with.

770
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:34,020
They just showed up in the backyard or on their front steps and they're asking and everyone

771
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:36,240
they call us is sorry, we're full, they hang up.

772
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:41,900
I stay on the phone with them, I talk them through what they could possibly do to help

773
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:47,800
and it's without TNR, it just keeps mounting.

774
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,740
And being able to release it, that should be easy, you know.

775
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:55,340
It's better than what we, if they're going to do, if we leave them there.

776
01:15:55,340 --> 01:16:02,140
So, let us return them, but also we need to start thinking about some sanctuary land.

777
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:08,580
We need to start thinking about some kind of fun that we can put together to help people that bring them in.

778
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,560
So, it's not we're not losing our homes trying to help this problem.

779
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,120
So, if the city helps, we can be proud of that section of our city.

780
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:22,620
I'm looking at leaving, I'm depressed because Costa Mesa hasn't done anything and

781
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:25,720
You're just dragging your feet and we need help.

782
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:27,440
We are all ready to help.

783
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:29,460
We've got traps, we can do it.

784
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,200
We just need a little extra help from our city, Costa Mesa,

785
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:34,160
so we can be proud.

786
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:35,180
Thank you.

787
01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:38,030
Yes, sir.

788
01:16:41,380 --> 01:16:43,020
If you're going to speak, come on up,

789
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,500
so we kind of get a sense of how many people are coming up.

790
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:46,420
Well, good.

791
01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:48,540
Thank you for listening to us.

792
01:16:49,220 --> 01:16:52,980
I don't want to change the name of the city to Kat's,

793
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:53,460
to Mesa.

794
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,820
I want to keep this thing civil.

795
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:58,000
I want to keep it realistic.

796
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:00,800
My wife is sick.

797
01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:08,100
I've been here a resident for 43 years paying taxes and being a good citizen and loving our city.

798
01:17:08,740 --> 01:17:12,580
But things are just a little crazy with this, and we need answers now.

799
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:22,760
We need the same solve now, not studies and studies, and let's get a committee and get a room and talk each other to death.

800
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,620
we need to have the same result.

801
01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:28,140
My wife is sick, I've spent hundreds of dollars on just

802
01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:31,620
fully treatments around my house in and out.

803
01:17:31,820 --> 01:17:34,480
And you can't have that stuff inside, it makes you sick.

804
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,920
So this is turning into kind of an issue where it's physically

805
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,500
harming my family and who's responsible.

806
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,480
It's cats, okay.

807
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,740
But where's the liability lie when someone gets injured,

808
01:17:50,740 --> 01:17:55,980
When a human being starts getting sick as a result, that's all they need to say.

809
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,960
Please consider doing something quickly, thank you.

810
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:00,620
Thank you.

811
01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:05,730
I'll make it quick.

812
01:18:05,890 --> 01:18:08,870
My name's Kendra Cagan, Costa Meso resident.

813
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,130
I know a lot of these guys over here are TNR friends.

814
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:16,890
I've been a foster with Prices Pets for about five years.

815
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:21,090
I was foster coordinator for three years for mama dogs and puppy.

816
01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:28,310
we use so I am full dog like Becca is, but kitten season just wipes us out.

817
01:18:28,670 --> 01:18:34,530
You think that it's fun, that have like a litter of kittens in your house all year long or

818
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:40,530
all through the kitten season and it's not, it's as fosters we are exhausted and

819
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:41,070
we need help.

820
01:18:41,790 --> 01:18:47,010
Other cities when people bring in litters of kittens that have been found,

821
01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:54,750
they will send a TNR team out to where they were found so they can trap the mamas and the papas and get them fixed so we can stop the cycle.

822
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:57,370
So we just need your help in putting that together.

823
01:18:57,730 --> 01:18:58,210
Thank you.

824
01:18:58,430 --> 01:18:58,810
Got it.

825
01:19:03,210 --> 01:19:12,590
Hi there, my name is Dawn Curtis, and I am also a resident of Post Mesa and have been involved with TNR now for about a year.

826
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:19,210
And I just wanted to give an example, just in this last month.

827
01:19:19,210 --> 01:19:27,030
I helped someone with a mother cat who was going to have more kittens for the third time.

828
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:35,470
And she had four kittens also at that time, that were four or five weeks old each.

829
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:44,970
So if you thought about that, she is probably going to have five to seven more kittens.

830
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:53,830
And then each of her kittens, four kittens are going to be responsible for four to seven kittens.

831
01:19:55,650 --> 01:19:57,790
That's 50 kittens.

832
01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:59,970
and from one...

833
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,980
One cat in one home. And so it's small, but I was able to stop that and a lot of these other gals get out there and take care of other cats. And we're doing the best we can. And we need help, a lot of help. And I was here last year in the spring. And it would seem that not a whole lot has happened since then. And it needs to be

834
01:20:29,980 --> 01:20:41,140
done yeah but thank you all right anybody on zoom yes Mary please Mary

835
01:20:41,140 --> 01:20:41,700
of the floor

836
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:53,100
Mary you have the floor hello good evening Mayor Stevens and

837
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:58,480
members of the City Council I want to offer some public comment on consent

838
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:04,740
item number five I want to make clear that I have no problem with pain and

839
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:12,340
attorney $465 per hour. In fact, I've been practicing for 23 years, I'm licensed in multiple

840
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:18,500
states, and I personally wouldn't do this kind of work for such a low hourly rate, so

841
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:25,280
that is not the issue here. The problem that I have is twofold. First is, the law firm

842
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:31,700
of Everett Dory comes in with a low hourly rate, and that obviously will save the city money,

843
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:44,220
But when they're tactics and they're professionalism or lack thereof, unnecessary fighting where they're creating fights and they're making issues about everything in the litigation, that drives up cost.

844
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:58,520
Not just for parties like myself, I am CEO and General Counsel for Insight Psychology and Addiction who until recently had housing, supportive housing for the mentally disabled in Costa Mesa.

845
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:04,880
But as a respected member of the bar, I have a problem with litigation tactics like those

846
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,680
that Everett Dory has been using not only in my litigation with insight, but also with

847
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,020
other litigation matters.

848
01:22:12,220 --> 01:22:16,760
And I won't rehash all of the things that were put in the letter that I provided to the

849
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:17,600
City Clerk yesterday.

850
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:19,020
I think you have in your packet.

851
01:22:19,820 --> 01:22:24,060
But what I want to do is say that this isn't about $100 more.

852
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:30,080
It's about this litigation as a whole is costing the city millions of dollars.

853
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:37,000
In fact, according to the city's own press release, as of April of 2025, the city has

854
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,580
spent over $20 million on the group home litigation.

855
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:47,320
So that's the first problem is that the city is spending more money because of the tactics

856
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:51,280
of Everett Dory, and there is absolutely no supervision going on.

857
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:57,140
The reason I come to this opinion is the second problem that I have, which is a complete

858
01:22:57,140 --> 01:23:02,320
lack of information and not only that, but I would go so far as to say intentionally misleading.

859
01:23:02,940 --> 01:23:09,020
And what I'm talking about is in the fiscal impact portion of the staff report, it says

860
01:23:09,020 --> 01:23:15,080
that the fiscal impact is that over the last three years, the city has averaged with

861
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:23,280
Everett Dory's firm $108,000 a year and the city attorney anticipates that the impact

862
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:30,400
of amending the hourly rate by $100 per hour is going to affect the budget or these costs

863
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,940
by 27% or $29,000.

864
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:41,640
That means that basically the city attorney who wrote this and is proposing you to approve

865
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:46,720
this amendment is suggesting that over the last three years, it's been 108,000 a year.

866
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,600
That is absolutely not correct.

867
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:55,140
Just an Insights litigation alone as of October of 2022, six over six.

868
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:57,800
Sorry, that's your time.

869
01:23:58,420 --> 01:23:59,840
No further speakers, Mr. Mayor.

870
01:23:59,860 --> 01:24:01,020
Okay, close public comment.

871
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,240
So anyway, we normally go now.

872
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:07,220
We're going to go to committee reports and comments and suggestions.

873
01:24:07,220 --> 01:24:15,020
But on TNR, and I'm going to start with Gameros, but I'm going to take the time to talk about TNR that way.

874
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:20,780
You guys can either stay for all the comments or you're free to go, whatever you want.

875
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:21,840
You're always welcome here.

876
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:30,180
So I can't remember the month, but I brought an item for the Council to consider four hours to spend on TNR.

877
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:33,360
We had a lot of good comments from people.

878
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,160
We appreciate it.

879
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:35,900
I appreciate the comments tonight.

880
01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:39,980
There was sufficient support through the comments of the council.

881
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,320
We don't need to bring back the four hours, that's not going to happen.

882
01:24:43,820 --> 01:24:50,080
However, because we're going to move forward with the analysis, I'm going to explain the timeline in a second.

883
01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:55,500
However, when we talked to the PD and we talked to priceless pets and the animal services committee,

884
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,760
we decided to prioritize priceless.

885
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:28,380
So, the pet's getting into their new space, okay? Part of the reason for that is we need them to be up and running in fully in their new space in order to execute on the TNR. But we're not just stopping and waiting for that to happen. Part of the timeline is they're expected to have their soft opening at the beginning of November, so it's less than a month away. We have the PDE has worked to get them through the approval process through the Planning Commission.

886
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:35,120
prices pets and they did that, and so they're moving forward with their tenant improvements and they're getting ready to go.

887
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:50,380
The police department who's in charge of this effort has also began working on a draft ordinance, and it will be presented to the animal services committee this month on October 22nd.

888
01:25:52,300 --> 01:26:00,120
As I said, the soft opening for priceless pets is in November, beginning of November.

889
01:26:00,980 --> 01:26:19,080
The expectation is they'll be fully running by the beginning of the year, and by that time, if we work in October, November and December, we have some meetings coming up, we may be able to get a vote of the City Council on the TNR program before the first of the year.

890
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,960
So when they open and they're fully staffed, they'll be able to hit the ground running.

891
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:27,100
So thank you for coming out, I appreciate it.

892
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,220
Thank you for coming out the last time.

893
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:32,560
We heard you, we're listening to you, we're going to continue to listen to you.

894
01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:37,660
The delay was because we needed priceless pets to get into their new space.

895
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:41,380
They had to go to the planning commission and we prioritized that.

896
01:26:41,380 --> 01:26:55,580
And the failing on my part and maybe others at the city was failing to clearly communicate that timeline and the reason for the delay.

897
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:07,120
So for that, I accept accountability, and I'm sorry, but we're moving forward, and if you wish to participate on the 22nd, you can do so at the Animal Services Committee.

898
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,760
And I really appreciate you guys being here.

899
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,580
Now with that, we're going to go to Councilmember Cameroos for his comments.

900
01:27:18,260 --> 01:27:21,540
Okay, great. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I do appreciate your comments.

901
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:29,300
So, I do have a few things I want to go over, but I too want to talk about how we care about our animals.

902
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:35,620
So, at my house, we do truly care about animals. And what I want to say to everyone is,

903
01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:39,300
I really want to thank you for coming to voice your concerns.

904
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:46,380
your voice is my voice, okay? When I hear you speak about something, I'm going to react.

905
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:51,920
Especially when it comes to animals. For those of you who don't know, my wife is the manager of

906
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:59,660
priceless pets. So at my house, it's always priceless pets, okay? We have no less than five

907
01:27:59,660 --> 01:28:05,220
animals in my home at anyone given time. We're constantly caring for and helping if it's not a

908
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:12,180
turtle, it's a rabbit, no snakes, nothing scary at our house, but we're constantly taking

909
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:18,000
in fostering, transporting, helping, whatever we can do, not just for cats, but for dogs

910
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,820
because our family, my kids, my wife, and myself, we love animals.

911
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:27,640
So we definitely don't want to see a stream on the cat population, on the same note.

912
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:39,680
We also want to see a positive reinforcement in a way that we can go about in a professional manner to try and mitigate this problem.

913
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:50,720
I personally cannot vote on whatever takes place as far as moving forward with anything with priceless pets because of my position, but

914
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,480
But I'm definitely here to listen and to help in any way that I can.

915
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:00,020
So for those of you who don't know who I am, I'm Council Member Lorne Gameros.

916
01:29:00,540 --> 01:29:04,920
My phone number is 949-524-0085.

917
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:07,100
You can call me anytime you want.

918
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,500
I'll be glad to do whatever I can and help you out.

919
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,680
And if you didn't get the number, go to YouTube and watch it back.

920
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,020
The second thing I want to talk about is youth sports.

921
01:29:18,730 --> 01:29:21,870
Growing up, my family was involved in youth sports.

922
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:33,810
I played soccer, my cousins played soccer, and I got to see firsthand as a youngster the importance of being involved in a group team related activity.

923
01:29:34,210 --> 01:29:46,310
It's such a release. It's so great to be recognized. Like we did this evening, we recognize so many great young people and there was nothing but smiles and elation, not just on their face, but on the parents face.

924
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:52,150
case. So I just want to remind everyone if you have the chance to be involved in you sports

925
01:29:52,150 --> 01:29:59,450
in any way shape or form, get involved. Everybody will appreciate it just as much as you will.

926
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,040
I have, and I hope in the future that my children will be involved with their children. I do want to take the time to thank Mayor Stevens. He was involved with eSports. He has a lot of great stories to tell. I know that my councilman Vuly was also involved with eSports. And I know that countless other council members have also been involved in a great eSports program. So please remember, it's really important that we want to keep that moving in our city.

927
01:30:27,860 --> 01:30:36,480
The last thing I want to talk about, and I know I beat on this a long time, I always want to try and take a moment to recognize our emergency personnel services.

928
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:43,620
They're out there kicking their boots every day, if it's not PD, it's fire.

929
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:52,520
And one of the reasons that I always like to take a moment and acknowledge them is because when there's an emergency, that's where you go to.

930
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:58,940
There's not, well, if the police department can't be there, let me go call the, no, it's

931
01:30:58,940 --> 01:30:59,700
the police department.

932
01:31:00,260 --> 01:31:03,400
If the fire department can't be there, there's no one else.

933
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,400
It's the police department, and it's the fire department.

934
01:31:06,820 --> 01:31:12,260
And we have to make sure that we recognize that they are one of the most, if not the most

935
01:31:12,260 --> 01:31:16,320
important thing in our community when there's an emergency.

936
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:23,280
I personally, about four years ago, experienced this first hand for a clock in the morning, my phone rings.

937
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,300
It's my mom. I think I'm having a heart attack.

938
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:29,880
Oh, great. Don't panic. What do you think I did?

939
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,700
Running around the house, lights are out, trying to find my keys, telling myself not to panic.

940
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:40,540
Trying to remember where my mom's address is, waking my wife up, needless to say,

941
01:31:40,540 --> 01:31:44,800
I hauled but to her house which she lives in Costa Mesa and I live in Costa Mesa.

942
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:45,960
I didn't break any laws.

943
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,500
They still beat me to my house, to my mom's house.

944
01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:54,680
But when they got there, they acted in such a great degree of professionalism.

945
01:31:55,020 --> 01:31:57,720
They looked at her and they said, yep, you're having a heart attack.

946
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,060
We're going to get you to hoag right away.

947
01:31:59,660 --> 01:32:06,120
I just want to close by saying if it wasn't for them, my mom would not be at home recuperating

948
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,760
from her open heart surgery today.

949
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:09,380
So thank you very much.

950
01:32:09,940 --> 01:32:10,720
That's all I got.

951
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,040
That's great.

952
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,620
Now, and he's from District 2, by the way.

953
01:32:19,060 --> 01:32:22,020
And now from District 5, Council Member Arles Reynolds.

954
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:24,360
Thank you.

955
01:32:24,820 --> 01:32:28,060
I'll just start by saying since it was mentioned earlier,

956
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:30,280
Council Member Mar is not here because she was ill.

957
01:32:30,540 --> 01:32:31,180
Or she is ill.

958
01:32:31,660 --> 01:32:33,180
I was ill last meeting.

959
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,060
I think it's a reasonable reason to miss a council meeting,

960
01:32:36,220 --> 01:32:37,940
but for those who heard that public comment,

961
01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:39,240
I wanted to make that clear.

962
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:46,580
Mayor, thank you for the update on T and R. I would just request maybe during Council

963
01:32:46,580 --> 01:32:50,980
member comments sharing updates since it has been an issue that sort of bubbled up the

964
01:32:50,980 --> 01:32:55,500
Council a few times and give us some updates if there's any further delays that may be helpful

965
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:56,400
for us.

966
01:32:58,060 --> 01:33:02,800
I just wanted to share, I guess I'll call it three events coming up that I'm very excited

967
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:10,180
about and folks may be interested in. This coming Saturday, there is a climate action festival.

968
01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:17,420
This is hosted by a collaboration largely run by UC Irvine, but are the chair of our parks and

969
01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:23,680
community services commission as the lead on this event. So this coming Saturday at Harbor Christian

970
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:32,640
in church, the event runs 11 a.m. to 4.30 p.m., and then in the evening, I am involved in

971
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:38,720
moderating a panel with two internationally acclaimed authors, Christina Cleveland and

972
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:45,720
Victor Vies and your, and that's a panel discussing the, sort of, the nexus of faith, environment

973
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:51,580
and community, and there will be a taco bar. So that's the Saturday. I encourage you to

974
01:33:51,580 --> 01:33:53,620
and that event at Harbor Christian Church.

975
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,380
In a couple of weeks, we have our second to last city

976
01:33:57,940 --> 01:33:59,520
bike safety rodeo.

977
01:33:59,940 --> 01:34:01,960
These have been really fantastic events

978
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,280
where if you go even just as a spectator,

979
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,900
you get to watch kids literally learn how to ride a bike.

980
01:34:07,220 --> 01:34:10,800
Really fun, a lot of good skills at these events

981
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,760
and we do give out free helmets at these events.

982
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,860
So it's our second to last one on October 25th,

983
01:34:15,980 --> 01:34:19,240
one to 5 p.m., and I've asked city staff

984
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:25,220
to promote these events far and wide. This is the second-to-last event. Our last event is in November.

985
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:30,380
I'm still hearing from families who wish they heard about the event beforehand. So

986
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:39,060
let's please really promote these events publicly. And then third, the Costa Mesa Historical Society

987
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:45,940
is coming up on its 60th anniversary next year. So they've, as part of that, recently launched a

988
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:52,780
membership drive. Their goal is to get I think a thousand new members before, I think it's the

989
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:58,620
end of October, but let's say by the end of the year, it's only $20 to become a member, $15 if you're a

990
01:34:58,620 --> 01:34:59,060
Senior.

991
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:27,720
And the historical society has really done some interesting and fun events about the fascinating, very diverse history of Costa Mesa. So it would encourage all council members to become members, and it would encourage the public to become members. And I'll ask staff to also share information about that drive since we did combine our committee with the historical society in promoting Costa Mesa history. Thank you. Thank you, council member.

992
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,240
We're now up from District 6, Council Member Jeff Pettis.

993
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:34,900
Thank you, Mayor, appreciate it.

994
01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:38,020
So it's just a couple things tonight.

995
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:44,160
It was nice to see the little girls for the sports, for the softball, baseball.

996
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,680
It was nice to see you and reminds me of my kids being little.

997
01:35:47,740 --> 01:35:52,520
Hey, so real quick, I'm getting, I've been getting for a long time residents.

998
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,080
I mentioned this several months back, but I imagine sometimes things take time regarding

999
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:02,260
Starting the plaques, Roger, for the missing plaques that have been stolen at Fairview Park for a long placenture there.

1000
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:10,220
Don't know, I just, I had forgot about it a little bit until I was reminded by my district folks that they walked by there.

1001
01:36:10,340 --> 01:36:13,160
So hopefully we can get that going, appreciate it, thank you very much.

1002
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:22,780
And on every, well, I know that community engagement is a huge thing for me, it always has been the main reason why I ran for office.

1003
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:28,480
and I receive the over and speaking of community engagement,

1004
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:37,860
receive the neighbourhoods where we all belong, survey and the email for the sign up for their email stuff.

1005
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:44,480
And the survey is the City of the Coast of Mesa planning to allow housing to select commercial and

1006
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:48,360
industrial areas to comply with the state housing stuff.

1007
01:36:48,860 --> 01:36:52,540
And when I want to take the survey, there are a few things you can choose that says,

1008
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:59,940
just please pick four of your top and mobility, amenities, outdoor spaces, landscaping things

1009
01:36:59,940 --> 01:37:00,360
like that.

1010
01:37:00,660 --> 01:37:05,840
And I might have picked one or two of them and I want to submit and it makes you choose

1011
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:06,320
four.

1012
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:11,720
So my feeling I was left with, again, we're back to a foregone conclusion kind of in search

1013
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,500
of validation.

1014
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:19,340
I would have liked to have had the option to only choose one or two other than having to

1015
01:37:19,340 --> 01:37:24,440
be forced to choose two or three that I might not have picked in order to submit the survey.

1016
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,120
So that is concerning to me.

1017
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:36,100
And also I have it, I also received information from a person in a commission that the town hall,

1018
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:41,000
they were told that the town hall will absolutely not be entertained and not happen.

1019
01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:47,500
So that's a concern for me, it's left with, I'm left with, I might,

1020
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:52,600
I was thinking maybe I'll have my own town hall right now and not a good idea that I'd be the face of this whole thing

1021
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:59,360
or mate, but I'm gonna come up with some of my own personal ideas to get community engagement on this thing because I believe this needs to happen

1022
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:13,860
and I'm left with the question of why would this be happening, why would we have a scenario with an issue that's such a big deal like our housing element

1023
01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:39,780
And it just so happened in another resident brought up, something that was, I'm not going to be labor of this report that we got in the mail or it's into the city regarding the HD notice of violation, but the concerning paragraph for me was the findings in the conclusions are the HD finds that the city has failed to timely a dose of statically compliant housing element or required rezoning and is therefore in violation of state law.

1024
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:44,160
Under government code section 65585, subdivision I,

1025
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:49,700
HED must give the city a reasonable time, no longer than 30 days to respond to these findings.

1026
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,780
Therefore, the city, as it can tell, September 21, 2025,

1027
01:38:54,620 --> 01:39:01,660
to provide a written response in this notice before HED may take any of the actions authorized by section 65585,

1028
01:39:01,660 --> 01:39:06,760
including but not limited to referral to the California office of the attorney general.

1029
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:31,080
And this letter was August 22, and I know that this goes back a number of years, and there's been some things that happened in the city, and I don't know there might very well be action being taken on it now that I don't know of, but that's a concern for me, and I just want to think that maybe this was driving some of the lack of willingness to engage the community on these things.

1030
01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:37,340
So I would like to remind just everybody, this isn't, this might sound like an inflammatory

1031
01:39:37,340 --> 01:39:41,000
statement, but this time next year we'll be getting ready to elect a new City Council

1032
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:47,920
and how that will look is anybody's guess, but these issues are going to be a major priority

1033
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:54,260
and a year is not very much time to get our focus straight on this thing.

1034
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:55,260
So thank you very much.

1035
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:59,840
Thank you, Council Member. Next up from District 1.

1036
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,960
Council Member Mike Bealy. Thank you, Mayor City Council and members of the public. Just a couple things tonight. Work and family life kind of kept me busy since last session, but I did find time to attend a couple things and then a few comments I wanted to make. But I had the opportunity to attend the Hispanic prayer breakfast over at Vanguard University. It was a great event and actually personally moving for me. We had the president of

1037
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:31,820
of Cerritos College, Jose Fiero.

1038
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:33,760
And I was pleasantly surprised,

1039
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,820
and I see my friend Isbel here in the audience.

1040
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,080
His story was pretty amazing.

1041
01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:41,480
His parents came over here from Columbia.

1042
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:44,080
He was born in Wisconsin.

1043
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,020
Well, his dad was there studying

1044
01:40:46,020 --> 01:40:49,940
and then he returned back and was raised outside Bogotá.

1045
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,500
And the reason that kind of touched me,

1046
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,600
I met my wife down in Bogotá a number of years ago.

1047
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:03,260
I mean, he was born and raised in a town, Fusagasuga, which is right outside Bogotá.

1048
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,920
So it was a neat, prayerful, and a wonderful community event.

1049
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:13,160
And I was glad I could be there with Mayor Stevens and a few other council members.

1050
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:15,660
A couple of things I wanted to touch on.

1051
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:22,800
I wanted to thank Parks and Rec Department, Brian Gruner, and kind of pivot on some comments

1052
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,520
that council member Lauren Gameros had said.

1053
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:31,940
You know, I commented a number of sessions ago about this concept of free play and making

1054
01:41:31,940 --> 01:41:38,580
some more fields available for kind of unsupervised free time for kids to get out there and just

1055
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develop and do things and not be overcoached and overmanaged and kind of where we're at today.

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01:41:44,460 --> 01:41:48,020
And I won't belabor that, but I appreciate you're moving forward with that.

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01:41:48,220 --> 01:41:53,920
You had some good input for me and Marshell be revealed and then not too distant future.

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01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,300
So I appreciate you and staff jumping on that.

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01:41:57,500 --> 01:42:16,940
I want to thank Econ and Development Services Carey for taking time to follow up with me on some inquiries I had from a property owner in District 1 who has some challenges or he's just doing some preliminary research on some potential development.

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01:42:16,940 --> 01:42:31,040
And I was hoping to get them some answers and learning a lot on zoning issues and measure K and what we can and can't do and variances, but I appreciate your responsiveness in that regard.

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01:42:35,570 --> 01:42:46,930
I was invited and actually Council Member Pettis and I attended a working wardrobes charity event and an amazing charitable organization and they take a lot of donations.

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And it started out as kind of a charity that focused on better women in helping them get their lives back.

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And once they get past a certain stage, helping them feel good about themselves again.

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01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:04,770
And it's pivoted into assisting veterans.

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01:43:04,770 --> 01:43:10,350
And it's turned into an amazing organization, run by presently by body promotion.

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It was just nice to be out there and doing that.

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and a shout out to the City Manager as well.

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01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:21,230
I had several community issues that popped up,

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and I appreciate your responsiveness

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01:43:23,310 --> 01:43:26,010
and got me on the phone with a couple people

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01:43:26,010 --> 01:43:29,170
and we tried to let the community,

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01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:33,070
these guys with real issues know that we're doing our best

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01:43:33,070 --> 01:43:37,090
to work through them and get them resolved

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or at least know that they're being heard

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and we're working on things.

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01:43:42,910 --> 01:43:52,130
Last thing I want to comment on, I heard Jim get up here tonight and raise several issues and it's never easy to hear criticism.

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01:43:52,630 --> 01:43:57,990
I often say what's neat about being here on council or I don't know if it needs the right word.

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01:43:58,810 --> 01:44:06,990
Things are going great, the streets are paved, my trash is being picked up on time.

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I don't really get off the couch or the community doesn't get off the couch to come down

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here and give us all high fives.

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01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:17,290
It's usually when things aren't going right and it's fine, you know, we need to hear

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01:44:17,290 --> 01:44:23,490
about that and it's never easy or pleasant to hear criticism but you know what, it is a

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01:44:23,490 --> 01:44:29,710
necessary part of this job and if it's constructive criticism it helps educate us and helps us

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01:44:29,710 --> 01:44:33,630
focus our efforts and it helps us try to improve things.

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And I do believe Jim Raid several points that are worthy of further diving into and the issue on the housing element or what not.

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01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:59,670
I know there's been some emails involving myself and city manager and Kerry on the econ development front and that is an issue, obviously, and I heard council member.

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So it's clearly a critical issue here in this city, and it needs to be addressed, and we will be addressing it. And I do think we've got a great opportunity right now. Kudos to our newly appointed city manager. And we just recently had Kerry come on board. And you know, it's a reset time. And let's identify these issues. And let's kind of hit the ground running and do what we can, you know.

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I did make an inquiry because as a newer member of this council, I'm really not clear on where we are at, I'm getting a clear understanding of where we are, but let's have a path forward on where we're going on that issue in particular.

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We're here to provide services for our community and that's our point of contact and we want to be responsive to business.

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We want to be responsive to developers and we outweighed a lot of money for this state of the art system and let's figure out what we have to do to make that as effective and as useful and as responsive as possible.

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And the last issue that was touched on, not the last, but one of the issues that was touched on, that was a little eye popping to see the calls for service happening at the vagabond.

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And I think I'd like to get together with Nate, who's kind of the point man on our homeless issues, Chief LePoint, who's obviously has to tip of the spear when it comes to interact.

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with people who are struggling in our society, and I'm concerned, you know, I was at one point

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going to talk about a study session, and we as a city it seems, we're at the forefront

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of the homeless shelters and obtaining state and county grants and converting our hotels,

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01:46:59,740 --> 01:47:06,800
and you know, at some point we have to ask ourselves, just because we have been awarded grants

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or not, is it money that we want to take and are these, do we need additional housing?

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Or, anyways, that's for another discussion and other time, but these are all critical

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issues that need to be looked at and need to be addressed, and I thank the community for

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raising them.

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And Usman said tonight on TNR, I won't double down on that.

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It sounds like it's moving forward, I haven't been involved in those discussions, but as

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other council members have said and the mayor will hold everybody to that and we'll make sure that

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the progress that's being made in that regard is moving forward so those are my thoughts thanks.

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So thank you very much council member now from district four our mayor pro tem manwell chavez thank you

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mayor steven thank you everyone for joining us today as always thanks the students joining us for

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Lisa, happy to have you here.

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Really have this one comment and one adjournment today.

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You know, it's a time to explain it's a time to listen.

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And I think today was a great example of a time to listen.

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We heard not only from us, I was talking about the Trapman release program, which I'm happy

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to hear this progression on because I know that's something I want to see resolved in the

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for our community. We also had Mr. Fitzpatrick show us data from HCD showing us what we've heard

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colloquially a couple times which is that it is a little hard sometimes in Costa Mesa to move forward

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with permits. I say this not because I want to come at staff, I know they do a great job. I do this

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is because it's an opportunity for us to really reevaluate

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and find ways to be more efficient and productive.

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Any delay we have on building permits

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is either delay someone has to improve their property.

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It's either delays we have in bringing in new housing stock

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that could help us solve the housing crisis

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we have in California.

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01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:15,820
The one that sees people like myself

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01:49:15,820 --> 01:49:18,340
who are in our 30s not have the opportunity

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to really attain a ownership

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01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:21,880
because there's no options available for us.

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that has an effect on the economy because then young people leave Costa Mesa and all of a sudden we have more traffic coming to work in our cities.

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We have to listen sometimes and see what we can do better.

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So I really want to encourage and challenge our staff and I do want to just come back as a council item.

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There's any ways for us to streamline any processes, fix any added ordinances.

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I want us to do that.

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01:49:48,930 --> 01:49:54,370
This council, you know, it's so about to come in the end of our terms on this

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dius and I want to see us move tangibly towards addressing this issue.

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Because for me, it really comes out to one thing. When I talk to folks in my community, the number one thing they mention is the cost of living. Primarily when it comes to the cost of renting and the cost of my ownership, these are tied to our inefficiencies. So I don't want to be a dead horse. I don't want to make a steam like I'm critical in the sense that I think that's a good job, but let's find ways to be more efficient. And I want to challenge you to manage to bring back an ordinance for us to evaluate and see how we can streamline these processes. Because that's the only way we make things more affordable for residents.

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here in Costa Mesa, and to track more businesses to Costa Mesa, and make sure that we have a thriving community for everyone in our city.

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And with that, I want to mention my adjournment.

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Over the break, it's very unfortunate news.

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We had a student at New Pearl Harbor High School, a pass away, an e-bike accident.

1139
01:50:49,540 --> 01:50:59,200
This did not occur in Costa Mesa, it occurred in New Pearl Beach, but I still think it'd be nice for us to adjourn the meeting in honor of Jagger Boys, who recently passed away.

1140
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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1141
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:06,340
Thanks, Mayor Pro Tem.

1142
01:51:06,780 --> 01:51:07,260
We'll do.

1143
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,420
So, I'm gonna go even further than what I appreciate

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all the comments, all the comments were great.

1145
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,440
Thank you again for everybody who came up and spoke.

1146
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,680
I'm gonna double down on what Council Member Buley said

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is it's not only don't mind people coming up

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and telling us things that are having trouble with,

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01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:29,640
that they're dissatisfied with.

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01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:59,620
at the city. I encourage it and I like it. When I first got on council a prior council member that was serving well it's a prior council member serving with me at the time said the key to this job is to satisfy the agitated without agitating the satisfied right so we don't know that you're agitated unless you express yourself and that's the purpose of this and it's not just the people are agitated and they express themselves at public comment but I think

1151
01:51:59,620 --> 01:52:07,480
I think I'm maybe the only mayor in Orange County that puts my cell phone number out and trust me, people use it.

1152
01:52:08,860 --> 01:52:13,680
And I have some things to comment on specifically because they were raised earlier.

1153
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:19,400
I already talked about TNR and that's moving forward and again, I appreciate you guys were frustrated, you're agitated.

1154
01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:20,560
It's like what are you guys doing?

1155
01:52:20,900 --> 01:52:25,600
You came and talked to us and I explained it to you, I'm glad, thank you, very grateful that you did that.

1156
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:34,060
We're regarding HCD, yeah, it's a pickle, and it's a pickle that we've created over time.

1157
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:39,460
I was on a telephone call with the people at HCD, there was a number of HCD staff and

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01:52:39,460 --> 01:52:44,440
the number of the city of Costa Mesa staff, and director Ty told about all the great things we're doing.

1159
01:52:44,440 --> 01:52:46,120
In fact, we're doing a lot of great things.

1160
01:52:46,460 --> 01:52:51,260
We're having pop-ups and engagement, and we're moving forward, and we're doing our zoning and

1161
01:52:51,260 --> 01:52:57,680
working on FFDC, Fairview Developmental Center and all the great things that her department

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01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:02,140
is doing and she's doing. And they were like, oh, that's all great. Problem is, you

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01:53:02,140 --> 01:53:09,080
should have done it three years ago. And we're really far behind, dangerously far behind.

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01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:21,240
And there's just, there's no good reason for it. But we're doing the best we can at the

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At this point forward and getting our new city manager which we made her the city manager just recently at the last meeting and she's working with the HCD to work on an accelerated schedule and we will meet that schedule if we do not exceed that schedule and it is a high priority for us to the highest priority to get the rezoning done and to and to satisfy HCD and move forward with a certified

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and compliant housing element.

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Anyway, all we can do is what we can do now is what we can do going forward.

1168
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But I appreciate it sitting in that phone call and listening to the candor of HCD

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and to use a term that I used earlier, they were agitated.

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and so it's our responsibility to satisfy them and we will do it as to responsiveness also brought

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up by Jim Fitzpatrick. True that, you know, a lot of people burn up my line, my cell phone line,

1172
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:44,100
saying things take too long, whether it's a CUP or Permit or whatever it is. So the Council in April of

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01:54:44,100 --> 01:54:58,760
2024 had a session where we all commented on what we want to do to improve the city.

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Local 24, and we all said better customer service, more speed, more responsiveness, and to be honest, I haven't seen it. So, again, people are agitated. We need to satisfy them. It's a high priority.

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01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:34,960
Mesa Vista calls. I was at the opening of Mesa Vista. I voted for money to go into Mesa Vista. I was at the opening with Governor Newsom.

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01:55:35,460 --> 01:55:40,960
And it's not the first time that I've heard that there are a lot of calls for service at Mesa, Vista.

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People are agitated about that.

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01:55:44,220 --> 01:55:45,460
We need to satisfy them.

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01:55:45,580 --> 01:55:46,480
We need to fix it.

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01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:50,120
And it's a gift that people come and tell us that.

1181
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:52,140
I'm glad that they do.

1182
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:59,060
We do a lot of great work, of course, in the homeless area, as Councilmember Buley pointed out.

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And we have a town hall on homelessness that's going to happen and are all of our efforts on October 15th.

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And it's at 5.30 at the Norma Herzog Community Center.

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You're all invited among other people that will speak as the great Nate Robbins,

1186
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:27,640
who's going to tell us all about the great work that he does and other members of the staff.

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I encourage you all to go.

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01:56:29,980 --> 01:56:35,600
It's very important, the work that that team does, and they do a wonderful job we've

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housed since 2019, 462 people, 462 people from the streets of Costa Mesa in

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department at housing. We have a lot to be proud of in the city, but we have a lot

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01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:54,860
to fix, and I can assure you that when you're not the first person, if you tell me

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01:56:54,860 --> 01:57:00,340
about it, you're not the first person that tells me, I see it, I see everything in the

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city with my own eyes. And we have room for improvement and with our new administration,

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we will improve. With that, we're going to now hear from the new city manager with these

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high expectations, Cecilia Gallardo-Daily.

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Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. First, I'm excited to share and recognize several

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recent accomplishments. The first recognition is for our Public Works Department Transportation

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Services team. Under the leadership of Raja Setharaman, they were honored with the prestigious

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outstanding Bikeways and Trails Award from the American Society of Civil Engineers for their

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exceptional work on the Adams Avenue and Pine Creek Drive project. There's a photo of the

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01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:52,640
guys accepting the award. This award recognizes the team's commitment to enhancing transportation

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01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,720
information infrastructure and promoting sustainability options within the community.

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This might sound familiar because this is the second major award for this project.

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So, congratulations again to Raja and his entire public works team for their continued outstanding work.

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I'd also like to congratulate our Costa Mesa TV team for winning two first place awards.

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Awards at the 2025 California Association of Public Information Officials star awards

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luncheon that was held last week.

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And there's a picture of our Acting Assistant City Manager, Alma Reyes, and the award-winning

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team.

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01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:38,480
Over 600 video entries from municipalities and public agencies throughout California and Nevada

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competed in over 40 categories, recognizing excellence in government video programming.

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The team took home first place for the following categories, social media short form and sports programming edited.

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CMTV was also nominated for best overall programming in one second and third place honors for their entries in the ethnic experience and diversity equity and inclusion categories.

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So we take great pride when the dedication of these teams is recognized and rewarded, so congratulations.

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So we have some upcoming events in the city that I'd like to talk about.

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The first is a fair housing workshop.

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So this Thursday, October 9th, the Fair Housing Foundation will host a fair housing workshop

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from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. in the community room here at City Hall.

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During this workshop, you can expect to learn about fair housing laws, tenant and landlord

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rights, and insights into equal housing rights and responsibilities.

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Experts from the Fair Housing Foundation will be available to answer your question.

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So whether you're a tenant, landlord, or advocate, this workshop is an opportunity to stay informed about fair and equitable housing in our city.

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The next event the mayor already talked about is our homeless solutions town hall.

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It will include presentation.

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Thank you for your questions by our neighborhood for our network for homeless solutions, manager, Nate Robbins, as well as the code enforcement and the police department. And lastly, we have the great shakeout. The city and Costa Mesa Fire and Rescue, along with the Costa Mesa Police Department, encourage the community to take part in this year's great shakeout drill. On Thursday, October 16 at 10.16 a.m. This is an annual opportunity to practice drop cover and hold on during

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in earthquake. During the event of an actual earthquake, people should drop to the ground,

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cover under a desk or sturdy surface and hold on until all shaking stops. In addition

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to participate in the earthquake drill, we encourage the community to prepare for emergencies

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by making a plan, building the kit, and being informed. Last month, we announced the availability

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of the city's emergency preparedness guide to help you become prepared in the event of an emergency.

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We have these booklets available in the back of the chambers.

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And the public can also access a digital version of the handbook online at the office of emergency management page on the city's website.

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Thank you.

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Thank you city manager, now for the report by the city attorney, Ms. Hall Barlow.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1236
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:28,460
Just a quick update on one of our previously pending litigation matters.

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I try to report to the Councillor on these as they are resolved.

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02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:36,620
This one happened right after I left for vacation.

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02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:44,240
We have successfully had the city dismissed from a lawsuit by Ida Pepper that involved a

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a trip and fall on private property and it is just one of several that we've had successfully gone city's way in the last just a couple of months so I'm very pleased to report on that.

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That is all.

1242
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All right. Thank you very much. Now we're going to go to the consent calendar. All items on the consent calendar are going to be voted at one time and are considered to be routine.

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I mean, a member of the public has pulled item number five.

1244
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:24,240
And council member Gameros is going to accuse himself from consent calendar item number three.

1245
02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:29,020
Because his wife, as stated earlier, works for priceless pets.

1246
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:36,360
And I'm going to do the same because of a campaign contribution from where disposal who's on the warrants.

1247
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:43,260
So, with all that said, everything except for number five, can I get a motion on the consent calendar?

1248
02:02:43,780 --> 02:02:45,440
Moose, consent calendar?

1249
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:51,540
Okay, that's Council Member, sorry, Mayor Pro Tem Chavez, and I'll go ahead and second it.

1250
02:02:51,780 --> 02:02:54,840
Oh, Buele, Council Member Buele is going to second it.

1251
02:02:55,300 --> 02:02:58,340
Okay, let's call for the question on the balance of the consent calendar.

1252
02:03:03,430 --> 02:03:03,630
Okay.

1253
02:03:03,630 --> 02:03:03,710
Okay.

1254
02:03:04,370 --> 02:03:04,650
Yes.

1255
02:03:05,090 --> 02:03:06,190
You can't push it.

1256
02:03:06,590 --> 02:03:07,350
Judge Green here.

1257
02:03:07,630 --> 02:03:07,750
It says.

1258
02:03:10,010 --> 02:03:10,310
Oh.

1259
02:03:12,450 --> 02:03:13,770
Motion carries 6-0.

1260
02:03:14,210 --> 02:03:14,630
Okay, good.

1261
02:03:15,290 --> 02:03:17,710
And then we have number five, then.

1262
02:03:18,030 --> 02:03:21,210
Madam Clerk, would you please read the title of number five?

1263
02:03:21,610 --> 02:03:21,910
Yes.

1264
02:03:22,090 --> 02:03:29,730
This is proposed amendment to professional services agreement for Everett Dory, LLP, for legal services, and it was pulled by a member of the public.

1265
02:03:30,330 --> 02:03:30,630
Okay.

1266
02:03:30,630 --> 02:03:39,870
Okay. Well, why don't we just open it up for public comment and then we'll hear the public comment and if there's any questions from council of staff, we can address that.

1267
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:48,540
Through

1268
02:03:51,380 --> 02:04:04,640
the mayor, I originally had a presentation and I saw some very alarming public comments with the transcript of the court, so what I was going to say is our litigation costs are out of control.

1269
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:09,920
have you seen the warrants and the laundry list of costs? I don't think you're

1270
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:13,960
given the being given the right story. Maybe in closed session you guys can get

1271
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:17,460
an audit and this is what I'm going to call for, both an audit of our litigation

1272
02:04:17,460 --> 02:04:23,800
and the process. Who oversees what we're doing? Is the mayor, city manager, city

1273
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:28,140
attorney? Who is the belly button of accountability on this? Because I think it's

1274
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:33,240
running wild. Next slide please. So I was going to talk I am tired of seeing on

1275
02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:37,800
in every closed session, this laundry list of money piling up,

1276
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:39,660
I'm a taxpayer in this city.

1277
02:04:40,100 --> 02:04:41,280
I don't see a skill set.

1278
02:04:41,700 --> 02:04:43,600
Cool, we got a trip and fall, right?

1279
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,060
Peanuts, next slide please.

1280
02:04:48,740 --> 02:04:50,580
I was going to come and talk about this,

1281
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:52,400
this is a classic BB&K.

1282
02:04:52,580 --> 02:04:54,740
They come in, they win it with a low ball offer,

1283
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:58,740
and then they make their money by throwing bodies at the issue, right?

1284
02:04:59,100 --> 02:04:59,960
They keep the meter running,

1285
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,900
Because they don't settle, who is managing this process, right? This is what I was going to talk about. Next slide, please. This is just from the warrants recently. This meter is running. You're asking for a, they're asking you to make a pay increase, okay? In the comments that we heard today, every door he's preparing for trial to accept the trial judge will not allow them to move their October date. They have no billable hours. There's two attorneys up there. You guys know it's irresponsible for

1286
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:35,400
you do not bill on a regular basis. Are you kidding me? They are preparing for trial and can't

1287
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:41,560
submit you in the pay raises retroactive and that's what this inefficient incomplete staff

1288
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:48,400
report is asking you to do. Next slide please. So, we have to start making this stuff go away,

1289
02:05:49,140 --> 02:05:53,780
right? You guys got to figure out how to settle and get this stuff off of our books except the

1290
02:05:53,780 --> 02:05:57,640
If you go on with the city manager, it is frivolous and defendant vigorously.

1291
02:05:59,470 --> 02:06:07,750
Have you read the public comments in the court transcript of how sigh-evert is representing our city?

1292
02:06:08,490 --> 02:06:09,810
I am offended as a taxpayer.

1293
02:06:10,630 --> 02:06:13,090
I'm not asking you to vote no on the pay increase.

1294
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:18,410
I'm asking you to investigate and I think you're going to terminate the relationship.

1295
02:06:18,650 --> 02:06:19,630
That's where we need to be.

1296
02:06:20,230 --> 02:06:24,170
If you vote for this pay increase, it is irresponsible.

1297
02:06:24,170 --> 02:06:30,630
There is no oversight. There is no process. This is a woefully inefficient staff report.

1298
02:06:31,130 --> 02:06:37,030
You're not given all the facts. And based on, I can't believe that an attorney would put all the stuff in public about how they say

1299
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:41,590
a representative of our city is behaving and how the trial court judge is admonishing them.

1300
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:49,970
This is coast of Mesa. Stick up for our city. You heard loud and clear that the priorities of this city are not being followed by many of these residents.

1301
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:56,050
This is a time to send a message, and a message is no longer represent this.

1302
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:59,710
Thank you very much.

1303
02:07:00,530 --> 02:07:01,970
Any comments on Zoom?

1304
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:02,970
No, Mr. Mayor.

1305
02:07:03,310 --> 02:07:10,730
Okay, we'll close public comment, and then let's do a motion on this one.

1306
02:07:10,730 --> 02:07:21,750
And I move to approve the increase in fees to Everett Dory.

1307
02:07:22,150 --> 02:07:29,230
Seconded by Mary Prattem Chavez, let's call for the question.

1308
02:07:30,490 --> 02:07:32,110
Oh yeah, of course.

1309
02:07:33,170 --> 02:07:46,830
Yeah, after given some accolades and shout outs to Jim Fitzpatrick in saying we welcome criticism, it's also incumbent upon us sometimes to question the criticism.

1310
02:07:48,330 --> 02:07:53,070
And Jim unfortunately just laughed maybe we'll check out a YouTube a little bit later.

1311
02:07:53,870 --> 02:07:56,890
Correct, I'm a 30 year civil litigation trial attorney.

1312
02:07:57,710 --> 02:08:25,590
Also correct, shortly after being elected, I was invited to take part in a mediation involving the caller who was called in tonight, and the insight I'm going to get a litigation, I can't get into specifics there, but what I can comment on is I watched ever at Dory, and I watched his team, and they are highly skilled and extremely competent attorneys.

1313
02:08:26,330 --> 02:08:30,930
And I'm not shocked that an adversary would criticize him,

1314
02:08:31,450 --> 02:08:34,070
shock, I'm telling you, there's gambling going on in this casino.

1315
02:08:34,990 --> 02:08:38,250
I can tell you that he's a competent attorney.

1316
02:08:38,530 --> 02:08:45,090
I wasn't here when he was retained, but I have learned that at the time he was retained,

1317
02:08:45,810 --> 02:08:53,030
there was a public outcry about the fact that the city was being overrun was sober living houses.

1318
02:08:53,810 --> 02:08:57,670
And the community was adamant, do something.

1319
02:08:58,970 --> 02:09:05,010
And so the city tried to craft some ordinances and tried to do something to bring this issue under control.

1320
02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:07,790
And I think it a great deal of foresight.

1321
02:09:08,510 --> 02:09:13,130
Prior accounts, I think Mayor Steven spearheaded with some other council members,

1322
02:09:13,550 --> 02:09:19,590
had the foresight to think rather than is each one of these sober living houses,

1323
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:47,310
Files separate individual lawsuits against the city, and we go out and we find an independent new law firm to handle each lawsuit and get educated on this newly developing burgeoning industry, and the ever changing statutory changes that are taking place, how about if we find a firm who's willing to dedicate themselves to this issue and give us reasonable rates.

1324
02:09:48,350 --> 02:09:54,570
And, again, I've only had limited engagement with ever in his firm, but they've accomplished

1325
02:09:54,570 --> 02:09:56,690
that time's tan in my humble opinion.

1326
02:09:57,450 --> 02:09:59,970
And then when I looked at his rate increase...

1327
02:10:00,370 --> 02:10:21,010
Believe me, I've heard all the attorney jokes and I know it all out there and I'll get overpaid and we don't work that hard. And whatever the public perception is, but I can tell you I'm fairly familiar with what our market rates. And this current based on his skill, his experience and what I've seen with my own two eyes, and I'm a third of your trial attorney.

1328
02:10:23,330 --> 02:10:29,530
He's below market rate, even with this raise. So I have no problem on that.

1329
02:10:29,530 --> 02:10:51,050
But I'm actually glad that this item was pulled because it gives me an opportunity to comment on something that I think this city and all cities right now are dealing with and we have to keep an eye on it's been in the news quite a bit lately and I'll just touch on one thing city of LA in 2022.

1330
02:10:51,050 --> 02:10:53,450
Two, 91 million in settlements.

1331
02:10:54,030 --> 02:11:05,350
The trip and fall, the person who stubs their toe on a crack, the person who gets arrested and they sue our law enforcement because there are civil rights have been impacted.

1332
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:16,070
I'm sure fire department goes to assist somebody, and it wasn't handled perfectly in their eyes, and they find a plane of satanic, and they file a lawsuit.

1333
02:11:16,070 --> 02:11:18,350
to $91 million in 2022.

1334
02:11:19,150 --> 02:11:23,270
But wait, 2024, $289 million.

1335
02:11:24,430 --> 02:11:27,870
2025, they're on paced $320 million.

1336
02:11:28,450 --> 02:11:30,290
It's become a cottage industry.

1337
02:11:31,110 --> 02:11:33,450
And I appreciate, again, that we've got members

1338
02:11:33,450 --> 02:11:37,710
of the community who are looking at the litigation fees

1339
02:11:37,710 --> 02:11:39,750
and the attorney fees and the cost.

1340
02:11:40,090 --> 02:11:42,090
And it's plaguing cities.

1341
02:11:42,610 --> 02:11:44,290
And those funds come directly out

1342
02:11:44,290 --> 02:11:47,190
of your general fund.

1343
02:11:47,630 --> 02:11:50,010
Every time we settle one of these exorbitant cases,

1344
02:11:50,010 --> 02:11:54,390
it's another CIP project that we have to reconsider.

1345
02:11:55,310 --> 02:11:57,330
And I know we're just a city council,

1346
02:11:57,350 --> 02:11:59,650
but I think I heard Mayor Stevens comment.

1347
02:11:59,910 --> 02:12:01,090
We're going to talk to Congress,

1348
02:12:01,090 --> 02:12:04,790
and I tell you, in the litigation world,

1349
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:08,370
and I'm not going to be a big friend of the plaintiffs bar

1350
02:12:08,370 --> 02:12:12,670
by making this comment, but medical malpractice suits

1351
02:12:12,670 --> 02:12:19,610
were so overrunning the medical profession that they created a whole statutory scheme called

1352
02:12:19,610 --> 02:12:26,470
Micra, which limits the amount of recovery that any plaintiff can bring in a medical

1353
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:33,090
malpractice. I think our Congress, our state capital has to start thinking along those

1354
02:12:33,090 --> 02:12:39,470
lines because it's become a cottage industry that anything happens in some city, plaintiff

1355
02:12:39,470 --> 02:12:43,850
finds an attorney and they sue and there's no cap.

1356
02:12:45,170 --> 02:12:50,810
So anyways, I'm glad they pulled that and I appreciate and our constituents are

1357
02:12:50,810 --> 02:12:58,550
right to be concerned on the exorbitant legal fees and when we're going to propose a raise

1358
02:12:58,550 --> 02:13:04,810
for some attorneys but it's a real issue and it's a lot bigger issue and a much more complicated

1359
02:13:04,810 --> 02:13:09,050
And yes, I'm a 30-year trial attorney, so I can comment on this issue.

1360
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:10,450
So I just wanted to say that.

1361
02:13:11,850 --> 02:13:12,990
Councilmember, I'm glad you did.

1362
02:13:13,470 --> 02:13:14,250
Now I have to talk.

1363
02:13:14,630 --> 02:13:18,590
So, yeah, he's right about, he's done his homework.

1364
02:13:18,590 --> 02:13:20,470
He's right about almost everything he said.

1365
02:13:20,650 --> 02:13:23,130
I just want to take, and write about everything he said.

1366
02:13:23,230 --> 02:13:24,430
I just want to take it to the next level.

1367
02:13:24,850 --> 02:13:31,010
I mean, the rates here are way below market, just to put it in perspective.

1368
02:13:31,570 --> 02:13:33,330
It's less than half of my billing rate.

1369
02:13:33,330 --> 02:13:40,530
And I'm not, I have no shortage of self-esteem, but I can tell you that I am not twice the lawyer of SI Everett, okay?

1370
02:13:41,850 --> 02:13:45,270
And so he's, it's a very, very fair rate.

1371
02:13:46,330 --> 02:13:51,150
I mean, my goodness, we did put him in here for the sole purpose, as council members said.

1372
02:13:51,250 --> 02:13:58,650
Bully said, of getting a firm that would build a team that would have a subject matter expertise in this area.

1373
02:13:58,650 --> 02:14:05,790
because we didn't have that and we spent $8 million on the Yellowstone case with Jennifer Keller.

1374
02:14:06,250 --> 02:14:13,950
That's the lion's share of our $20 million that we spent on this endeavor for over 10 years.

1375
02:14:14,710 --> 02:14:25,290
And so as I did that, he put together a team, he won the Ohio House case, he won the Ohio House appeal with MC Sumgaila.

1376
02:14:25,290 --> 02:14:36,550
And as a result of that in 13 states in the United States of America, that is the law regarding and our ordinance has held up in federal court.

1377
02:14:37,110 --> 02:14:40,050
So thank you to their work, are they perfect?

1378
02:14:40,450 --> 02:14:42,350
No, no lawyers perfect.

1379
02:14:42,750 --> 02:14:52,670
Have they filed motions and lost 100% and also do you even a lawyer who has practiced law for 36 years?

1380
02:14:52,670 --> 02:14:59,930
Do you want your mayor to micromanage your outside council? You do not want that and I will not do it because

1381
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,340
Because that's my profession, and I won't do it at any, at zero rates, much less, sigh, ever its rates.

1382
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:12,240
So, that's the reason for the motion. It's an easy decision for me.

1383
02:15:12,380 --> 02:15:13,060
Let's call for the question.

1384
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:15,640
Mr. Mayor, can I just ask one clear of my own question?

1385
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:19,340
Does that include the retroactive request to September the 2nd?

1386
02:15:19,540 --> 02:15:19,740
Yes.

1387
02:15:20,300 --> 02:15:20,640
Thank you.

1388
02:15:21,420 --> 02:15:22,440
Call for the question.

1389
02:15:29,150 --> 02:15:30,510
Motion carries 6, 0.

1390
02:15:31,090 --> 02:15:31,550
Thanks.

1391
02:15:31,550 --> 02:15:40,330
Okay, we will be able to get through the rest of the calendar quickly, but I need to take a short break.

1392
02:15:40,810 --> 02:15:44,150
So let's come back in at 830.

1393
02:29:39,410 --> 02:29:59,850
We're back on the record. Okay, so we're at I think public hearing, excuse me, council members, we're I think at item number of public hearing number one, right? Can you please read the title? Thank you. This is the final environmental impact report, general plan amendment, rezone, specific plan amendment, master plan.

1394
02:29:59,850 --> 02:29:59,970
you

1395
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
Investing tentative parcel map, density, bonus and development agreement for high of live, three phase, 1,050 unit residential development with 3,0690 square feet retail component at 3333 Susan Street. Honorable Marin City Council, the applicant has requested that the item be continued to a date uncertain at this time. And that is staff's recommendation for tonight. Additionally, Director Tai is available to answer any questions you have. And this concludes the report.

1396
02:30:30,700 --> 02:30:40,700
Yes. Yes, the hive is not going to happen. So, let's, why don't we just, do we have to do it? Do we have to take action?

1397
02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:43,900
Yes. In the public comment, also please.

1398
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:49,960
Okay, open it up for public comment. No, yes, go ahead. Iga, you have the floor.

1399
02:30:54,500 --> 02:30:56,820
Oh, sorry, I had to get your mic hot. There you go.

1400
02:30:57,660 --> 02:31:02,560
Thanks, council members. Nice seeing you guys. I really wasn't planning, but on speaking, but

1401
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:10,280
But I have nothing against any development, the problem with the infrastructure truly can't handle it.

1402
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:17,640
So we'll work through this and I'm sure you guys are going to make all the right decisions.

1403
02:31:17,980 --> 02:31:18,280
Thank you.

1404
02:31:19,300 --> 02:31:20,380
Thanks, appreciate it.

1405
02:31:20,460 --> 02:31:21,020
Anybody on Zoom?

1406
02:31:21,940 --> 02:31:22,520
No, Mr. Mayor.

1407
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:23,460
Close public comment.

1408
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:26,540
Yeah, you wish to be heard, Councillor?

1409
02:31:27,260 --> 02:31:27,780
Yes, of course.

1410
02:31:27,780 --> 02:31:32,820
Yes, just a quick question on the staff recommendation.

1411
02:31:34,060 --> 02:31:37,520
So the recommendation is continue to a date uncertain.

1412
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:43,180
Is there a deadline on that, like at what point does an application expire if action hasn't

1413
02:31:43,180 --> 02:31:43,600
been taken?

1414
02:31:45,440 --> 02:31:46,160
If at all.

1415
02:31:46,580 --> 02:31:48,640
Yeah, thank you for that question, Council Member Reynolds.

1416
02:31:49,320 --> 02:31:54,020
So long as we're in constant contact with the applicant and they have not submitted any

1417
02:31:54,020 --> 02:31:56,680
sort of withdrawal, we will keep the application active.

1418
02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:03,700
until such a time they tell us they are ready to proceed and then we'll start the public hearing notification process over and that

1419
02:32:03,700 --> 02:32:09,260
includes publication to the newspaper as well as mailing to the surrounding radius as required.

1420
02:32:09,740 --> 02:32:14,000
And so we just start the public hearing process as a new and then conduct the public hearing at that point.

1421
02:32:14,500 --> 02:32:15,340
Okay, thank you.

1422
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:21,600
So Councilmember Reynolds made the motion to continue to an indefinite time. I seconded it.

1423
02:32:21,880 --> 02:32:23,120
Do you have any comments, Councilmember?

1424
02:32:23,640 --> 02:32:23,760
No.

1425
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:26,160
Okay, I just have some comments.

1426
02:32:26,380 --> 02:32:29,480
I'm 99% sure that this is fine to say.

1427
02:32:30,060 --> 02:32:32,640
So this was a great, very promising project.

1428
02:32:32,880 --> 02:32:36,680
Thank you very much for legacy, Invesco, Tim O'Brien,

1429
02:32:37,900 --> 02:32:41,580
Pam Spetto, the whole team that worked so hard on this.

1430
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,580
We spent a lot of time and also thank you very much

1431
02:32:47,580 --> 02:32:50,100
to the staff for working so hard on it.

1432
02:32:50,100 --> 02:32:56,740
It's just sometimes, you know, everybody has property rights, and we respect those property rights.

1433
02:32:56,980 --> 02:33:00,240
The property was sold by Invesco to a company called Drawbridge.

1434
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:05,680
Drawbridge in term entered into a 15 year lease with Andral.

1435
02:33:05,980 --> 02:33:09,880
Andral, of course, is a great corporate citizen of the city of Costa Mesa.

1436
02:33:10,300 --> 02:33:12,040
It's wonderful that they're expanding.

1437
02:33:12,580 --> 02:33:16,240
It's disappointing that we can't go forward with the beautiful housing project.

1438
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:27,660
But I'm very pleased by Andrew and they're an excellent employer and they were glad to have them in the community and welcome to Costa Mesa draw bridge.

1439
02:33:28,180 --> 02:33:29,480
So with that, let's call for the question.

1440
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:35,640
Okay, motion carries 6-0.

1441
02:33:36,440 --> 02:33:36,740
Okay.

1442
02:33:39,820 --> 02:33:42,120
Public hearing item number two, please read the title.

1443
02:33:42,120 --> 02:34:06,620
A pill of planning application 23-14 and tentative parcel map, 2023-117 for a residential small light subdivision to create two parcels, each containing a new two-story detached single-family resident and an attached two-car garage at 2308 Santa Ana Avenue and staff presentation by Miss Curly Assistant Planner.

1444
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:09,920
Miss Curly, welcome, you have the floor.

1445
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:15,500
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

1446
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:22,060
I am Assistant Planner, Caitlin Curley. This evening, I will be presenting an appeal of

1447
02:34:22,060 --> 02:34:30,860
a design review and tentative parcel map for a property located at 2308 Santa Ana Avenue.

1448
02:34:32,420 --> 02:34:38,200
This project was heard by the Planning Commission on August 11, 2025.

1449
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:50,060
It was approved with a 7 to 0 vote with an added condition of approval to screen the south side of parcel 2 and replace palm trees on the property.

1450
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:58,900
The commission also directed staff to further enforce second floor privacy standards along the 7 building facades.

1451
02:34:58,900 --> 02:34:59,960
and it's

1452
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:02,940
The appeal was filed on August 18th.

1453
02:35:06,180 --> 02:35:19,080
The project site is located at the intersection of Santa Ana Avenue and 23rd Street. The subject parcel is rectangular and it is currently developed with a single family home and detached garage.

1454
02:35:22,140 --> 02:35:34,340
The project includes a design review for a small, lot residential development consisting of two two-story single-family dwelling units and a tentative parcel map

1455
02:35:34,340 --> 02:35:39,460
to subdivide the lot into two parcels with one of the residential units on each lot.

1456
02:35:40,300 --> 02:35:44,840
Site improvements, including new hardscape and landscaping, are also proposed,

1457
02:35:45,260 --> 02:35:49,640
and the existing single-family residential unit and garage will be demolished.

1458
02:35:53,190 --> 02:36:01,150
The project includes two single-family homes, each with three bedrooms and a two-car garage with two open parking spaces.

1459
02:36:01,790 --> 02:36:04,350
The project complies with all development standards.

1460
02:36:04,350 --> 02:36:05,530
In

1461
02:36:09,050 --> 02:36:22,830
response to Commissioner, comments, and the appeal staff have met with the applicant to discuss modifications to the project design to mitigate privacy impacts and comply with the conditions of approval.

1462
02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:28,970
The applicant has provided an updated landscaping plan in order to comply with the conditions.

1463
02:36:28,970 --> 02:36:35,970
The applicant has revised the planting plan to remove the palm trees and include additional

1464
02:36:35,970 --> 02:36:41,990
trees to screen the proposed second-story windows and structure along the southern property

1465
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:48,270
line. The revised plans show you pines to be planted along the south side of the property

1466
02:36:48,270 --> 02:36:50,390
to provide the additional screening.

1467
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:56,730
The Planning Commission conditionally approved

1468
02:36:56,730 --> 02:37:03,730
to approve the project on August 11th with two of the conditions related to privacy impacts on neighboring properties.

1469
02:37:04,650 --> 02:37:10,630
Condition of approval number three is a standard condition commonly applied to two story projects,

1470
02:37:11,130 --> 02:37:18,410
and requires the application of mitigation measures to two story construction to protect neighbor's privacy.

1471
02:37:19,210 --> 02:37:24,130
The commission provided direction for the final project design to be modified to meet these conditions.

1472
02:37:24,130 --> 02:37:24,390
conditions.

1473
02:37:25,970 --> 02:37:31,170
Condition of approval 14 was added by the commission and required palm trees at the rear

1474
02:37:31,170 --> 02:37:36,290
of the property be replaced by a different type of tree and for trees to be placed along

1475
02:37:36,290 --> 02:37:40,570
the south side of parcel 2 to screen the project from neighboring residences.

1476
02:37:41,450 --> 02:37:46,730
As shown in the previous slide, the applicant does propose a modified landscape plan to meet

1477
02:37:46,730 --> 02:37:47,430
these conditions.

1478
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:52,570
The City Council has the authority to modify these conditions as it gains appropriate.

1479
02:37:52,570 --> 02:37:53,650
The

1480
02:37:57,650 --> 02:38:00,530
appellant had four main concerns regarding this project.

1481
02:38:01,290 --> 02:38:08,010
Limiting noted, limited noticing for the project, a lack of sufficient evidence regarding the commission's decision,

1482
02:38:08,670 --> 02:38:14,110
the presence of adverse impacts on neighboring properties and vague conditions of approval.

1483
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:29,410
The project was noticed as required by the Costa Mesa Municipal Code, which requires public noticing no less than 10 days prior to the hearing in the form of mailers,

1484
02:38:29,410 --> 02:38:33,230
postings on the project site and a newspaper publication.

1485
02:38:35,170 --> 02:38:40,470
The noticing dates for this project comply with that section of the code.

1486
02:38:41,490 --> 02:38:48,050
The Brown Act also requires an agenda to be posted at least 72 hours prior to a regular meeting.

1487
02:38:48,830 --> 02:38:57,090
The meeting agenda, project agenda report, and corresponding attachments were posted on the city's website four days prior to the meeting.

1488
02:38:57,090 --> 02:39:03,620
The Planning Commission was presented with all relevant materials related to the project

1489
02:39:03,620 --> 02:39:09,340
during the hearing, reviewed the materials provided, and made an informed and deliberate

1490
02:39:09,340 --> 02:39:14,300
decision to approve the project, subject to the revised conditions of approval.

1491
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:20,860
Public correspondence was received prior to the hearing, and was provided to the commission.

1492
02:39:22,460 --> 02:39:24,980
Additionally public comments were made during the hearing.

1493
02:39:24,980 --> 02:39:32,570
The Planning Commission reviewed the project for potential adverse impacts and determined

1494
02:39:32,570 --> 02:39:36,850
that further steps should be taken to protect the privacy of neighboring backyards.

1495
02:39:37,430 --> 02:39:44,070
The Commission emphasized condition of approval number three and added condition of approval

1496
02:39:44,070 --> 02:39:44,970
number 14.

1497
02:39:46,350 --> 02:39:52,130
The applicant has provided an updated landscaping plan to meet these conditions.

1498
02:39:53,490 --> 02:39:59,870
All conditions of approval provided as part of staff's recommendation and approved by the Planning Commission.

1499
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:22,900
Our standard conditions of approval utilized for similar projects. These conditions of approval have been applied and enforced in the past, without substantial issues on the part of city or applicants. The Planning Commission adopted condition number 14 for additional landscaping to provide screening to neighboring properties.

1500
02:40:27,190 --> 02:40:33,370
Pursuant to Title 13, Section 1329D of the Coast of Mesa Municipal

1501
02:40:33,370 --> 02:40:38,930
multiple code, three types of public notification have been completed for this City Council hearing.

1502
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:51,400
This is a hearing, this appeal hearing is a de novo review.

1503
02:40:52,340 --> 02:41:03,100
City Council may exercise its independent judgment and discretion in making a decision on the project, and the appeal hearing is not limited to the grounds stated for the appeal.

1504
02:41:03,740 --> 02:41:07,180
The City Council's decision on this matter is the final decision.

1505
02:41:07,180 --> 02:41:16,530
In conclusion, staff recommends the City Council adopt a resolution to find that the project

1506
02:41:16,530 --> 02:41:22,670
is categorically exempt from the provisions of SQL guidelines under class 15, minor divisions

1507
02:41:22,670 --> 02:41:28,710
of land, and class 3, new construction, or conversion of small structures, and public resources

1508
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:37,090
is Code Section 21080.66, and uphold the Planning Commission's approval of Planning Application

1509
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:47,750
2314 and Partial Map 2023-17 based on findings of fact and subject to conditions of approval.

1510
02:41:48,610 --> 02:41:54,410
The applicant, the appellant, and staff are available for questions at this time.

1511
02:41:54,410 --> 02:41:58,990
I believe the applicants and appellant also have presentations they'd like to make.

1512
02:41:59,410 --> 02:41:59,870
Thank you.

1513
02:42:01,030 --> 02:42:01,830
All right.

1514
02:42:04,320 --> 02:42:11,490
So why don't we hear from the applicant and the appellant before we do our questions,

1515
02:42:12,070 --> 02:42:14,950
and that way maybe they'll answer some of our questions.

1516
02:42:15,350 --> 02:42:24,390
So let's hear from the applicant and please just say anything to supplement what was

1517
02:42:24,390 --> 02:42:30,150
I just said by the staff and please, there's no need to repeat it.

1518
02:42:30,250 --> 02:42:33,730
We heard what the staff, what, dock, Caitlin, Ms. Carly said.

1519
02:42:34,530 --> 02:42:38,070
So you have the floor and then we'll give the appellant the floor.

1520
02:42:38,470 --> 02:42:38,890
Go ahead.

1521
02:42:39,410 --> 02:42:41,870
All right, thank you, Mayor Stephens and the City Council.

1522
02:42:42,310 --> 02:42:49,450
My name is Ollie Seiji and I'm the property owner, and with me is my attorney, Morgan Gallagher, from the law firm of Cox and Castle.

1523
02:42:50,350 --> 02:42:53,070
In case you have any questions for either of us, we'll both be available.

1524
02:42:54,390 --> 02:42:56,310
I'll read a little bit about the description of the project.

1525
02:42:56,810 --> 02:43:01,790
The project is a tremendous improvement to the city of Costa Mesa and its community and the economy.

1526
02:43:02,470 --> 02:43:09,030
Before I purchased the property, the property was left in the state of the spare with significant deferred maintenance.

1527
02:43:09,610 --> 02:43:15,530
Having lived, worked, and built homes in Costa Mesa, I'm aware of the architectural diversity.

1528
02:43:16,270 --> 02:43:22,610
People and character and believe this project will be harmoniously blended into its environment.

1529
02:43:22,610 --> 02:43:28,190
The designs of the homes were created by leading architect Mark Gross and associates.

1530
02:43:28,650 --> 02:43:32,050
Mark Gross has designed exceptional homes on the east side.

1531
02:43:32,810 --> 02:43:36,070
And was the reason why I chose him on this project.

1532
02:43:36,690 --> 02:43:40,150
Each home is custom designed in a coastal modern style.

1533
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:47,430
It combines elements of coastal and contemporary aesthetics to create a fresh and relaxed atmosphere.

1534
02:43:47,430 --> 02:43:52,810
the interiors are well-apportioned for growing families and appropriate to

1535
02:43:52,810 --> 02:43:58,030
surroundings and other new construction projects. We worked closely with the

1536
02:43:58,030 --> 02:44:01,730
city planning department to bring these plans together and they were approved by

1537
02:44:01,730 --> 02:44:06,690
the planning commission unanimously with very positive comments around the

1538
02:44:06,690 --> 02:44:12,330
thoughtfulness of the home sizes, open space and overall design considering the

1539
02:44:12,330 --> 02:44:13,590
large size of the lot.

1540
02:44:14,690 --> 02:44:19,370
We ask for no variances, complied with all the code requirements, exceeded them in

1541
02:44:19,370 --> 02:44:24,390
many aspects, like open space, square footage, yard space.

1542
02:44:25,250 --> 02:44:28,710
We work with city staff to minimize privacy impacts and neighbors.

1543
02:44:29,450 --> 02:44:34,890
While none of the adjacent neighbors have second story windows, we still made modifications

1544
02:44:34,890 --> 02:44:40,270
to both the number of windows, size of the windows, placement of the windows to minimize

1545
02:44:40,270 --> 02:44:46,510
impacts to adjacent yards. We took the Planning Commission feedback on the use of palm trees and

1546
02:44:46,510 --> 02:44:52,270
work with city staff on an updated planting plan. We replaced all the palm trees with another

1547
02:44:52,270 --> 02:44:57,610
tree variety, positioned them on the southwest side of the property to create additional privacy

1548
02:44:57,610 --> 02:44:59,970
screens in front of the windows that remain on the-

1549
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,920
On that side, we provided precise grading and precise landscape plan, down to the very individual plants, by licensed PE, professional engineer, who has done several projects in Costa Mesa, and was reviewed and approved by the public works department. I'm really excited about this project, and I'm here to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you, sir. Now we'll hear from the appellant, and then we'll take any questions from council of any staff.

1550
02:45:31,880 --> 02:45:33,420
You have the floor, sir.

1551
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:42,590
Good evening, mayor, good evening, council members.

1552
02:45:43,310 --> 02:45:49,930
My name is Mike Tchaikovsky, and I'm a resident at 323rd Street, Costa Mesa.

1553
02:45:51,170 --> 02:45:56,750
My wife and I, we are here to appeal planning commission approval of the project at the given

1554
02:45:56,750 --> 02:45:57,170
address.

1555
02:45:57,490 --> 02:46:05,150
The property is bordering our backyard, and our detailed 41 pages long appeal letter has

1556
02:46:05,150 --> 02:46:08,050
been filed with the City Customs Applying Department.

1557
02:46:08,730 --> 02:46:11,230
The letter includes references, documents, and attachments.

1558
02:46:14,110 --> 02:46:20,010
Okay, there was not enough time frame of notice about the project, about the proposed

1559
02:46:20,010 --> 02:46:20,490
project.

1560
02:46:23,700 --> 02:46:29,300
For the Customs, the project drawing proposed on Costa Mesa planning department on Friday

1561
02:46:29,300 --> 02:46:30,600
evening, August 8.

1562
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:36,040
And the Planning Commission hearing took place on Monday evening, August 11th.

1563
02:46:37,380 --> 02:46:43,900
We had only one business day, only one business day was given a department for

1564
02:46:43,900 --> 02:46:48,240
neighbor for us and never to review the proposed project documents before the

1565
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:49,220
planning commission hearing.

1566
02:46:50,700 --> 02:46:55,280
For the Costa Mesa planning commission hearing that involves public, involves

1567
02:46:55,280 --> 02:47:00,060
public notice, require notification last at least 10 days before the hearing.

1568
02:47:01,500 --> 02:47:05,780
And this notification should include information about the project including plans.

1569
02:47:05,780 --> 02:47:13,380
The plans were not posted until Friday evening and the hearing took place on Monday.

1570
02:47:18,420 --> 02:47:23,780
We, therefore, will respectfully demand that project proposal descend back to the city

1571
02:47:24,300 --> 02:47:29,060
of Costa Mesa planning the partner for the proper due process that we are entitled to.

1572
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:38,030
The city, in this case, the planning and zoning staff report states, at least in the least

1573
02:47:38,030 --> 02:47:41,890
three places, the lot is level and flat.

1574
02:47:43,690 --> 02:47:44,530
Slide, please,

1575
02:47:48,670 --> 02:47:49,870
could I, could I get a slide?

1576
02:47:52,770 --> 02:47:53,570
No, first slide.

1577
02:47:54,710 --> 02:47:54,850
Yeah.

1578
02:47:57,250 --> 02:48:01,250
To achieve the higher building height, the project

1579
02:48:01,250 --> 02:48:05,930
hardly can't propose it to rise the entire lot by one, by number

1580
02:48:05,930 --> 02:48:09,610
one, by about 2.5 feet and 3 feet, and the number two building

1581
02:48:09,610 --> 02:48:10,430
about 3 feet.

1582
02:48:13,090 --> 02:48:18,590
In this, in other words, the applicant proposes to build a hill on his flat

1583
02:48:18,590 --> 02:48:25,250
lab in the middle of surrounding flat labs of the neighbors. The question is why the

1584
02:48:25,250 --> 02:48:30,010
great of the entire lab has been significantly raised. The geo-report, the geo-notes and

1585
02:48:30,010 --> 02:48:36,530
the growing, don't call for that. The geo-notes don't mention that the project will need

1586
02:48:36,530 --> 02:48:43,670
approximately 800 cubic yards of imported fuel that's about 100 dump trucks of imported

1587
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:49,310
soil to build a hill. With geotechnical requirements on three feet of the minimum depth

1588
02:48:49,880 --> 02:48:58,470
to be existing soil to be excavated and re-compacted, that's at least at least 1500 cubic yards

1589
02:48:58,880 --> 02:49:01,890
or 180 dump trucks of soil to be handled.

1590
02:49:01,890 --> 02:49:09,150
So, again, this was the report, the staff report said this were all flat lots.

1591
02:49:10,350 --> 02:49:16,530
The building, there's a building code that calls for the floor to be 74, whatever the 74

1592
02:49:17,350 --> 02:49:21,730
feet, but not the surrounding grade, just the floor.

1593
02:49:21,990 --> 02:49:25,310
So the whole grade was raised to the property lines.

1594
02:49:28,050 --> 02:49:28,990
Next slide, please.

1595
02:49:33,530 --> 02:49:33,950
Next slide.

1596
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:44,990
Yeah, that's a place, this is the place in Balboa where they have a flat plane and not

1597
02:49:44,990 --> 02:49:51,110
necessarily greats go all the way to the floor, next, please, same here.

1598
02:49:51,950 --> 02:49:59,870
The state promotes, as far as drainage, the state promotes and requires low impact development

1599
02:49:59,870 --> 02:49:59,970
you

1600
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,040
The government strategies that include various methods, there was no roofed drainage included on the drawing. So we don't know how the sink on the drain and where it's going to connect. Okay, the long driveway is not permanent, but so it doesn't absorb the, doesn't absorb water. So it's just, you know, flooding the place. Any excess water can be handled with a sand pump. It appears that other neighbors in the area use sand pumps to handle access water.

1601
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:30,520
So, why not on this project?

1602
02:50:30,740 --> 02:50:34,460
Why to raise the whole great and burden all the neighbors around?

1603
02:50:35,620 --> 02:50:42,480
There is an existing under-trans stormwater system, service the Santa Ana Avenue, if the

1604
02:50:42,480 --> 02:50:49,060
system needs improvement, the applicants should help to improve that, or instead of putting

1605
02:50:49,060 --> 02:50:53,740
all the burden on the neighbors to potentially get flooded from the higher grade.

1606
02:50:56,280 --> 02:51:01,280
It appears there's no other reason to make the proposed building higher about 2.5 feet than

1607
02:51:01,280 --> 02:51:07,900
having better view of the neighbors and the, you know, infringement of their private life.

1608
02:51:08,780 --> 02:51:12,760
Because of the significant rate change at the proper, the retaining walls construction,

1609
02:51:13,440 --> 02:51:17,960
the neighbors will be exposed, not only neighbors, neighbors, you know, probably without their

1610
02:51:17,960 --> 02:51:25,680
variants also the next slide, please. There was no any type of design even no

1611
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:31,240
presentation, no any detailed information shown in the drawing, how the

1612
02:51:31,240 --> 02:51:35,520
retaining or the property line will look like. There was a deferral to the

1613
02:51:35,520 --> 02:51:39,620
landscaping drawing and this is five foot tall retaining wall which greatly

1614
02:51:39,620 --> 02:51:46,700
will affect us. But you know there was no information and the next slide, please.

1615
02:51:48,420 --> 02:51:55,380
And, yeah, that's about two feet space between the houses and our fence with a higher ground,

1616
02:51:56,160 --> 02:52:00,540
where everything is going to be jumped in and possibly flood our property.

1617
02:52:00,920 --> 02:52:03,840
This is not a detail taken from the drawing.

1618
02:52:04,300 --> 02:52:08,220
This is what's going to happen if this thing is approved.

1619
02:52:08,840 --> 02:52:11,060
Drain for the retaining will be much lower.

1620
02:52:11,340 --> 02:52:12,660
It's going to have no outlets.

1621
02:52:12,660 --> 02:52:20,060
So, because of this below street level, next place, yeah, it's Pascal's principle where,

1622
02:52:20,340 --> 02:52:25,040
you know, higher, lower, there's going to be always next place, there's going to be

1623
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:35,470
a problem, next place, next place, yeah, gravel doesn't stop, if there is a tiny wall

1624
02:52:35,470 --> 02:52:43,750
installed at the probability line, drains will need it to be installed below the top

1625
02:52:43,750 --> 02:52:47,370
of our lot and potentially floods, our lot.

1626
02:52:48,110 --> 02:52:49,190
Next, please, next, please.

1627
02:52:50,830 --> 02:52:53,530
Location, orientation of the property line as shown

1628
02:52:53,530 --> 02:52:56,110
and certify our drawing is not legitimate.

1629
02:52:59,570 --> 02:53:02,430
Next, please, yeah, yeah, this one is fine.

1630
02:53:02,790 --> 02:53:04,550
Please, back, please.

1631
02:53:05,450 --> 02:53:08,950
Yeah, our offense is shown inside their property,

1632
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:11,350
actually, their property, inside our property.

1633
02:53:11,350 --> 02:53:16,290
That's why we're of course concerned we checked that we have a similar map

1634
02:53:16,290 --> 02:53:23,210
I mean I think on map that was done by professional land surveyor in 2007 and it's different than this

1635
02:53:23,210 --> 02:53:30,410
Then we I call the state and found out that guy who prepared this map. He is not the license surveyor in state of California

1636
02:53:30,410 --> 02:53:32,510
So we actually

1637
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:38,590
File the complaint with the state the number is 2025-424

1638
02:53:38,590 --> 02:53:43,630
or a person who certified is strolling is not licensed California,

1639
02:53:44,450 --> 02:53:51,370
and California says that a person is not licensed land surveys cannot certify property lines.

1640
02:53:52,210 --> 02:53:54,610
So that's a big problem in this project.

1641
02:53:58,320 --> 02:54:01,860
The project documents will include the one that will mean the soil investigation.

1642
02:54:02,220 --> 02:54:07,340
It's not their environmental investigation and report for the existing structure as best

1643
02:54:07,340 --> 02:54:11,280
substance substractions and utilities, contamination of soil.

1644
02:54:11,900 --> 02:54:14,440
There was a record of sewer leaking in this property.

1645
02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:17,180
So it's most likely contamination.

1646
02:54:17,540 --> 02:54:18,960
Nothing has been done about this.

1647
02:54:19,500 --> 02:54:21,400
Cross drainage study and report,

1648
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:25,720
a vague condition of approval.

1649
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:32,710
Windows that the drawing show actually is,

1650
02:54:33,330 --> 02:54:36,770
Windows dimensions and location is not specified.

1651
02:54:36,770 --> 02:54:42,310
Basically, windows are shown and the railway plan is free-floating windows.

1652
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:48,530
I mean, there is no, I mean, this is planning item, the planning should fix window location

1653
02:54:48,530 --> 02:54:51,490
and sizes for the neighbors, but it hasn't been done.

1654
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:52,810
And the next piece,

1655
02:54:55,770 --> 02:54:59,430
yeah, that's the views.

1656
02:55:01,560 --> 02:55:02,600
Next, please.

1657
02:55:05,880 --> 02:55:10,880
Next slide. Yeah, this one, number seven, upstairs windows, a bathroom window.

1658
02:55:11,000 --> 02:55:12,340
It's a very big window.

1659
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:27,560
Number six window, it shows 44 inches minimum height, but doesn't say what, I mean, maximum height, but doesn't say what the minimum. So basically, can run window all the way down to the floor because it's not.

1660
02:55:27,560 --> 02:55:34,840
And number three window on the side, there's two other windows on the backyard on the same

1661
02:55:34,840 --> 02:55:35,140
room.

1662
02:55:35,480 --> 02:55:42,260
So we don't understand why the applicant needs big window on the site looking overlooking

1663
02:55:42,260 --> 02:55:42,860
up backyard.

1664
02:55:43,880 --> 02:55:50,360
This facade, this facade, this side of the house, all these windows are on our backyard side.

1665
02:55:51,800 --> 02:55:52,460
Next please.

1666
02:55:53,540 --> 02:56:03,880
Yeah, the windows should be moved next place, previous place, go back, one, oh yeah, thank

1667
02:56:03,880 --> 02:56:04,060
you.

1668
02:56:07,440 --> 02:56:13,820
I will stop there, I will have 10 minutes, so I'm just rushing through this, sorry

1669
02:56:13,820 --> 02:56:14,180
about that.

1670
02:56:16,520 --> 02:56:21,260
Yeah, this is the neighbor across the street from us and there is a house behind

1671
02:56:21,260 --> 02:56:30,880
This photo was used by the staff report of comparable properties in our area and the house behind next slide, please.

1672
02:56:32,200 --> 02:56:39,900
The house behind on the one-on-left picture has no windows on the side because of the backyard of the neighbor.

1673
02:56:39,900 --> 02:56:44,260
where they, you know, they were more, yeah.

1674
02:56:44,420 --> 02:56:48,060
And the next thing on the right, okay, next, next, please,

1675
02:56:49,320 --> 02:56:52,160
trees, there's a lot of trees on the property line.

1676
02:56:52,320 --> 02:56:55,120
There are all trees, there's a retaining,

1677
02:56:55,420 --> 02:56:58,120
deep retaining wall proposed, right, at the property line.

1678
02:56:58,700 --> 02:57:00,160
We don't know what they're gonna do with this.

1679
02:57:00,540 --> 02:57:02,380
The study, there was no study on trees.

1680
02:57:03,380 --> 02:57:09,300
You know, most trees will be killed if this retaining wall takes place.

1681
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:19,250
And also we say, condition number four, we say the presence of division map should not

1682
02:57:19,250 --> 02:57:24,630
be recorded with the county, it was based on top of map and property line surveying done

1683
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:28,990
by the person who is not licensed professional land surveying in the state of California.

1684
02:57:30,010 --> 02:57:37,530
The building top is not fixed elevation and that should be done because it should be related

1685
02:57:37,530 --> 02:57:44,470
to NAVD system that, you know, couldn't be changed if the dimensions are from the ground

1686
02:57:45,190 --> 02:57:51,270
that could be easily changed, growing to not show drainage system for roofs, yeah, that's

1687
02:57:51,270 --> 02:57:57,590
all. Next, yeah. Drainage system, there's no any type of system shown on the rowings for

1688
02:57:57,590 --> 02:58:01,590
the drainage system of the roofs. And, you know, it's important because this roof is about

1689
02:58:01,590 --> 02:58:05,990
about four feet from our property line, okay.

1690
02:58:06,510 --> 02:58:10,930
In the summary, an hour summary we would like to emphasize

1691
02:58:10,930 --> 02:58:14,630
and put on record that the project approved by the seat

1692
02:58:14,630 --> 02:58:17,210
of cost of misapplying commission didn't follow

1693
02:58:17,210 --> 02:58:19,830
a due process of public notice before the

1694
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:22,770
plain commission hearing and was not ready

1695
02:58:22,770 --> 02:58:24,970
for the plain commission hearing and approval.

1696
02:58:25,530 --> 02:58:28,490
As it raises very serious design privacy, security

1697
02:58:28,490 --> 02:58:34,670
and safety concerns and exposes as the neighbor's potential legal litigations and monetary damages.

1698
02:58:35,190 --> 02:58:42,270
After approximately two years of the department's plan check, some very important planning-related

1699
02:58:42,270 --> 02:58:47,830
details of the project are either incomplete or they are totally omitted.

1700
02:58:49,390 --> 02:58:54,950
The approved surveying drawings that includes property line location orientation has been

1701
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:58,690
prepared and T certified by an unlicensed professional.

1702
02:58:59,270 --> 02:59:04,310
In this case, the planning decision to approve the wrong certified by unlicensed professional

1703
02:59:04,310 --> 02:59:09,070
exposes us to immediately legal dispute with the developer.

1704
02:59:09,850 --> 02:59:17,850
The 27-foot height limit was set for the neighbor's perspective and privacy.

1705
02:59:17,850 --> 02:59:25,230
We oppose the raising of the great level on the flat lot to subvert the building height limit.

1706
02:59:25,770 --> 02:59:33,350
Basically, the building height was measured from the great was raised and the height was measured from the grid.

1707
02:59:34,230 --> 02:59:45,970
And then with the nine-foot ceiling, I mean, nine-foot ceiling heights, we do not have a problem with the proposed houses floor being higher to meet the street

1708
02:59:45,970 --> 02:59:53,550
get the elevation, however, we categorically pose rising the natural grade at our property

1709
02:59:53,550 --> 02:59:59,190
line, thus altering the natural stone water flow and drainage pattern that will adversely

1710
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:59,850
affect our

1711
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:59,980
It would establish a dangerous precedent for our neighbors. The 7-foot height limit will lose its meaning. Our customers on neighborhood will look like a chessboard, chessboard, with the blood squares representing newly built hills and white squares representing lower lots or vice versa. The neighborhood will become like an old-time neighborhood of lords and commoners with some properties owners having told houses on

1712
03:00:59,980 --> 03:01:07,060
the hills, overlooking neighbors, private backyards, and the lower property owners losing their

1713
03:01:07,660 --> 03:01:14,420
sunlight, privacy, and getting outside the water, and possibly even so early because some

1714
03:01:14,420 --> 03:01:17,900
pipes will run higher than our yard.

1715
03:01:19,540 --> 03:01:24,660
And that would, you know, be naturally squeezed out from the neighbors, build up hills down the

1716
03:01:24,660 --> 03:01:27,280
across to the yards.

1717
03:01:28,140 --> 03:01:34,020
allowing the Chancellor-type development, unfortunately, can lead to disputes between

1718
03:01:34,020 --> 03:01:38,720
neighbors. Some disputes could even lead to causes of action.

1719
03:01:39,460 --> 03:01:40,340
Thank you for your attention.

1720
03:01:40,920 --> 03:01:41,640
Thank you, sir.

1721
03:01:41,820 --> 03:01:42,240
Thank you.

1722
03:01:42,660 --> 03:01:43,000
Okay.

1723
03:01:43,240 --> 03:01:47,460
So, counsel, do you have any questions of either the applicant, the staff, or the appellant?

1724
03:01:47,740 --> 03:01:50,080
Counsel member Gameros, you have the floor.

1725
03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:51,140
Okay.

1726
03:01:55,670 --> 03:02:02,070
Thank you. I have several questions. I guess I'm going to start with staff here.

1727
03:02:04,090 --> 03:02:16,490
So there's an allegation that the plans were not submitted for public review until Friday, the Friday before the Monday that the Planning Commission was. Is that correct?

1728
03:02:19,680 --> 03:02:21,560
Thank you, Council Member Gameros.

1729
03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:23,820
The Planning Commission packet was released.

1730
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:29,400
The question was directed to staff, I'm sorry, you got it, go ahead.

1731
03:02:30,340 --> 03:02:31,400
Sorry about that.

1732
03:02:31,540 --> 03:02:35,360
The Planning Commission packet published on Thursday, August 7th.

1733
03:02:36,500 --> 03:02:40,680
The Planning Commission packet was published on Thursday, August 7th, and

1734
03:02:40,680 --> 03:02:42,100
when was the Planning Commission meeting?

1735
03:02:42,260 --> 03:02:48,440
It was on Monday, August 11th, so that met the 72-hour agenda posting regulation.

1736
03:02:48,440 --> 03:02:48,780
Okay.

1737
03:02:49,020 --> 03:02:52,440
And the packet included the full staff report and the plans as well.

1738
03:02:52,860 --> 03:02:53,020
Okay.

1739
03:02:53,280 --> 03:02:59,460
And then there was also an allegation about roof drains.

1740
03:03:00,620 --> 03:03:02,000
Do the homes have roof drains?

1741
03:03:02,340 --> 03:03:02,720
Do the new ones?

1742
03:03:06,960 --> 03:03:09,460
Thank you for your question, Council Member.

1743
03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:17,720
Things like roof drainage, downspouts, et cetera are generally shown on building plans and

1744
03:03:17,720 --> 03:03:23,560
And evaluated at that time, the plans presented here and to planning commission are more conceptual

1745
03:03:24,380 --> 03:03:26,920
illustrating the general design of the property.

1746
03:03:27,580 --> 03:03:32,820
But during the plan check process, all of those issues, drainage downspouts will be evaluated

1747
03:03:32,820 --> 03:03:34,540
to make sure that they comply with code.

1748
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:45,200
And just to add on to that, the roof plan shown, generally these are designed with gutters

1749
03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:49,560
and downspouts, and they will drain onto the property just right at the side of the house.

1750
03:03:51,700 --> 03:03:55,000
Okay. And then another question I have here. It's showing,

1751
03:03:57,800 --> 03:03:59,560
I'm a little confused, but it's,

1752
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:07,250
it looks like it's showing that there's a raise elevation here. It looks like we're raising the

1753
03:04:07,250 --> 03:04:09,530
grade and there's import fill coming in, is that correct?

1754
03:04:12,010 --> 03:04:13,310
That's correct, Councilmember.

1755
03:04:13,670 --> 03:04:20,370
Okay, why are we having, I don't know how much, but I heard 800 cubic yards of import fill coming in

1756
03:04:20,370 --> 03:04:22,850
for this. Why? I'm just curious.

1757
03:04:23,730 --> 03:04:30,030
There were drainage concerns on the site right now. It doesn't quite drain to the street properly.

1758
03:04:30,930 --> 03:04:35,810
So the grade raise was necessary to make the site drain properly to the street.

1759
03:04:38,500 --> 03:04:42,140
I can add on to that. The sites currently below the sidewalk.

1760
03:04:42,920 --> 03:04:51,220
So can't drain to the street and the site currently drains in an eastward direction and the

1761
03:04:51,220 --> 03:04:54,260
The street of San Ana Avenue is the western boundary of the site.

1762
03:04:54,780 --> 03:04:59,980
And so in order for both lots to drain onto the sidewalk of the site.

1763
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:19,920
The site actually has to be higher because the sidewalk elevation is over 72 feet above sea level, and currently the site is 71 in change at its highest point. And so it needs to be raised in order for water to drain onto the street where it's required to drain. So does the 2308 Senate Avenue lot drain properly?

1764
03:05:22,040 --> 03:05:28,980
Today, not currently, no. Okay. I'm probably going to have more questions as this moves on.

1765
03:05:28,980 --> 03:05:33,240
but I'm going to hold off for now and anyone else would like to ask, please.

1766
03:05:33,480 --> 03:05:34,020
Thank you.

1767
03:05:34,380 --> 03:05:35,620
Appreciate your answers there.

1768
03:05:37,280 --> 03:05:39,180
I have just a couple of quick questions.

1769
03:05:40,200 --> 03:05:47,100
When did you first apply to the city of Costa Mesa for this permit?

1770
03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:50,460
Or whatever, wait with the CUP, I guess.

1771
03:05:50,460 --> 03:05:51,480
So is there a question for me for this?

1772
03:05:51,480 --> 03:05:53,940
Yeah, I believe it was 2023.

1773
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:55,720
I don't recall exactly.

1774
03:05:55,940 --> 03:05:56,740
I want to say it was 2023.

1775
03:05:57,560 --> 03:05:57,740
Okay.

1776
03:05:57,740 --> 03:06:04,100
So the process to get you from the beginning to get to where you are right now has been approximately two years correct

1777
03:06:04,100 --> 03:06:07,460
And honestly it's been two months just to get here from the planning commission

1778
03:06:07,460 --> 03:06:12,240
I think it took two months to get on the planning commission and so four months or five months have just been

1779
03:06:16,000 --> 03:06:20,060
Commissions and so and maybe this is for the lawyer who has

1780
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:27,500
Experience maybe with other jurisdictions. I mean how does that length of time compare to

1781
03:06:27,740 --> 03:06:31,960
a prior experience, time in other jurisdictions,

1782
03:06:33,640 --> 03:06:35,440
and there's no wrong answer.

1783
03:06:35,560 --> 03:06:38,880
I just want the truth so I can help diagnose some issues.

1784
03:06:39,240 --> 03:06:40,300
That's a very long time.

1785
03:06:40,680 --> 03:06:43,260
Usually a two year entitlement window would be

1786
03:06:43,260 --> 03:06:47,000
for a very large project, not two single family homes

1787
03:06:47,000 --> 03:06:48,980
and a lot, but in just to clarify,

1788
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:51,140
this is a tentative map and design review.

1789
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:54,280
There's no CUP, it's completely compliant with the code.

1790
03:06:54,680 --> 03:06:55,260
I got it.

1791
03:06:55,260 --> 03:07:12,320
But I got the wording wrong and I knew I would, but thank you for correcting me, but for this process to get to the tentative design review and map, you would have expected it to take how long?

1792
03:07:13,220 --> 03:07:14,820
For something like this, six months.

1793
03:07:15,260 --> 03:07:15,840
Six months.

1794
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:28,020
So it's taken approximately four times as long as you would normally expect in your experience.

1795
03:07:29,300 --> 03:07:29,460
Okay.

1796
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:38,980
And then the other question I have is, you know, number six on the staff slide, please.

1797
03:07:38,980 --> 03:07:40,000
So,

1798
03:07:52,570 --> 03:07:57,410
oh, okay, we had it, now it's gone, six, thank you.

1799
03:07:57,970 --> 03:08:04,310
So, the little green rectangles, that's the driveway, correct?

1800
03:08:05,770 --> 03:08:05,930
Yeah.

1801
03:08:06,270 --> 03:08:06,710
That's correct.

1802
03:08:07,170 --> 03:08:13,570
And is the material that's being used or proposed to be used, is that permeable?

1803
03:08:14,870 --> 03:08:26,110
That driveway is concrete with broken, like separated by this artificial grass in order

1804
03:08:26,110 --> 03:08:28,630
to create a decorative driveway approach.

1805
03:08:28,710 --> 03:08:31,790
Oh, so that the green part is the grass?

1806
03:08:32,600 --> 03:08:32,910
Correct.

1807
03:08:33,530 --> 03:08:36,410
So, okay, so then it's concrete which is not permeable.

1808
03:08:36,850 --> 03:08:37,070
Correct.

1809
03:08:37,450 --> 03:08:38,310
And then the grass is.

1810
03:08:38,890 --> 03:08:39,170
Correct.

1811
03:08:39,170 --> 03:08:44,090
In fact, the partition between them would be permeable.

1812
03:08:44,470 --> 03:08:44,550
Okay.

1813
03:08:45,290 --> 03:08:50,450
What are the advantages and disadvantages of having a permeable driveway?

1814
03:08:50,890 --> 03:08:53,050
I mean, it's probably your call that I'm just curious.

1815
03:08:54,110 --> 03:09:00,290
From my perspective, permeable driveways are very difficult to maintain and

1816
03:09:00,290 --> 03:09:05,230
most homeowners will not maintain them and the permeability of the driveway will clog.

1817
03:09:05,230 --> 03:09:13,510
And hence why you probably very seldom see them in residential properties because the effectiveness

1818
03:09:13,510 --> 03:09:18,350
of the permeability decreases over time unless you're able to professionally maintain them.

1819
03:09:18,970 --> 03:09:22,670
Okay, thank you. I don't have any other questions. Thank you.

1820
03:09:23,550 --> 03:09:26,530
Do any other council members have questions? Council member Reynolds?

1821
03:09:27,590 --> 03:09:34,770
Yeah, just a quick question for staff. There was a discussion about appropriate

1822
03:09:35,610 --> 03:09:41,370
Can you confirm that our staff have checked that the property lines are accurate?

1823
03:09:42,570 --> 03:09:43,970
Thank you, Commissioner Reynolds.

1824
03:09:44,630 --> 03:09:57,190
At this time, the applicant has submitted a, or council member, the applicant has submitted a what we call a topographic survey.

1825
03:09:57,190 --> 03:09:59,750
the project is conditioned.

1826
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:29,980
I would like to provide property corner certification and boundary marks during the building plan check process. Typically, there's not much deviation between those two surveys. So at this time, we believe that the property lines indicated are accurate. The boundary survey process is more extensive and it has more cost and it's one of the reasons it's done after entitlements are provided. The applicant would work with the county and get it recorded. So at this time, we don't have that level of a survey.

1827
03:10:29,980 --> 03:10:32,280
but the topographic survey is typically pretty accurate.

1828
03:10:32,660 --> 03:10:33,380
Thank you.

1829
03:10:33,940 --> 03:10:36,740
And in the conditions is the key part, right?

1830
03:10:36,920 --> 03:10:38,120
So that would be answered, okay.

1831
03:10:38,820 --> 03:10:45,200
And then there was a note about the project potentially

1832
03:10:46,340 --> 03:10:48,040
damaging existing trees.

1833
03:10:48,040 --> 03:10:51,460
I don't know if that was on the site property or adjacent property.

1834
03:10:51,640 --> 03:10:55,980
What are our current rules about like a neighbor damaging

1835
03:10:55,980 --> 03:10:57,940
another neighbor's tree?

1836
03:10:57,940 --> 03:11:03,100
The entitlements that would be provided are limited to the applicant's property.

1837
03:11:03,720 --> 03:11:26,460
If there is a tree that does, let's say straddle a property line, that would be something that would have to be worked out typically sometimes civilly, but it's not something that I don't know if we've studied completely the existing planting plan that we have is just really showing what's proposed and it doesn't show if there's any trees to be damaged, but it's intended to only modify the trees on the subject property.

1838
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:29,740
Any

1839
03:11:33,200 --> 03:11:42,480
other questions of staff or the applicant or the appellate, if not, then let's open it up for public comment so you all can sit down.

1840
03:11:44,380 --> 03:11:48,960
And there may or may not be anyone else from the public that wishes to talk of this matter.

1841
03:11:51,170 --> 03:11:55,850
I don't see anybody from the public, from the chambers.

1842
03:11:56,010 --> 03:11:56,730
Anybody on Zoom?

1843
03:11:57,010 --> 03:11:57,670
No, Mr. Mayor.

1844
03:11:57,670 --> 03:12:08,230
Closed public comment, and there's a stuff going on with the Councilmember Gameras wanted to remove his motion.

1845
03:12:08,390 --> 03:12:09,390
You want to remove your motion?

1846
03:12:12,830 --> 03:12:14,210
Okay, I'll make a motion.

1847
03:12:14,290 --> 03:12:15,070
I'll make a motion, sir.

1848
03:12:15,310 --> 03:12:24,650
Okay, I'm going to make a motion to, I guess it's to affirm the planning commission's decision to approve this project.

1849
03:12:25,230 --> 03:12:31,770
Second, okay, it's small lot ordinance project.

1850
03:12:32,190 --> 03:12:33,410
I have one other question.

1851
03:12:34,150 --> 03:12:37,250
How come this has to even come to the Planning Commission?

1852
03:12:37,850 --> 03:12:46,150
Why can't, if they're not asking for any variances, why can't it be ruled on administratively?

1853
03:12:46,550 --> 03:12:52,470
The project, including the map right now is required by code to come through to the Planning Commission for review.

1854
03:12:53,350 --> 03:12:57,650
The code also indicates that the design of the structures is part of that application.

1855
03:12:57,830 --> 03:13:01,290
Be submitted either prior to processing that tentative map.

1856
03:13:01,590 --> 03:13:03,650
So that's what the code requires at this time.

1857
03:13:04,750 --> 03:13:04,910
All right.

1858
03:13:06,630 --> 03:13:07,110
Okay.

1859
03:13:07,310 --> 03:13:10,350
If I may, Mr. Mayor, I, yes, if you're leaving.

1860
03:13:10,450 --> 03:13:13,550
If I could just, just a brief add on here.

1861
03:13:14,150 --> 03:13:19,990
And I think in some prior meetings, we had talked about an ongoing process to clean up the

1862
03:13:19,990 --> 03:13:23,130
code and streamline a lot of these types of approvals.

1863
03:13:23,630 --> 03:13:29,950
One of the reasons that this property needs a discretionary approval to subdivide and

1864
03:13:29,950 --> 03:13:33,250
build two new homes is that it's not in an R1.

1865
03:13:33,770 --> 03:13:38,710
R1, if it currently R1s can do this ministerially, they're purely on a staff level.

1866
03:13:38,910 --> 03:13:44,470
But this being an R2 could have to use the small lot subdivision ordinance.

1867
03:13:44,610 --> 03:13:49,250
And so our plan, one of the things on our top priority is to update the streamlining so

1868
03:13:49,250 --> 03:13:55,410
So that R2 properties can be processed in a similar manner as the R1 property SB9 type process.

1869
03:13:55,790 --> 03:13:57,270
So I just wanted to add that on as well.

1870
03:13:57,490 --> 03:13:59,690
Thank you, I was just going to comment, during my comments.

1871
03:13:59,790 --> 03:14:05,170
First of all, it is always good to see property owners using their rights to create more housing stock for community.

1872
03:14:05,430 --> 03:14:10,590
And ESA Costa Mesa has a lot of interesting parts of the multiple housing adjacent and

1873
03:14:10,590 --> 03:14:16,030
I think, I'm very thankful to hear you say that because I was about to ask that of staff.

1874
03:14:16,030 --> 03:14:22,730
Any chance you have to stream my housing production we should do so, and I really want us to be making the goal to be as efficient and

1875
03:14:22,730 --> 03:14:23,410
pretty for housing.

1876
03:14:23,690 --> 03:14:28,490
It should not take the applicant long enough that they're used to to get a housing project that we need to go to makes it through.

1877
03:14:28,970 --> 03:14:32,730
So I'm really pleased to support this motion and I'm happy that we're moving forward with more housing.

1878
03:14:35,410 --> 03:14:40,430
Yes, anyway, I wanted to further express myself about the motion.

1879
03:14:40,990 --> 03:14:43,730
Yeah, thank you for answering my question.

1880
03:14:43,730 --> 03:14:53,430
and I do recall that the small lot ordinance was a hot political topic back in the 2017-2018

1881
03:14:53,430 --> 03:14:58,930
time frame and there was an amendment to the ordinance that I voted on.

1882
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,560
I have a PTSD flashback from that. I know we were over an OCC, believe it or not. I don't know if anybody else remembers that when we voted on it, because we thought there would be so many people there. Or was it the fairgrounds? No, it was, it was a fairgrounds. We were at the fairgrounds for some reason. And we voted for, we weren't in the council chambers. But yeah, so that could be the reason why the code is white is because it was a very politically sensitive issue.

1883
03:15:29,560 --> 03:15:40,380
But that's kind of died down, and now the priorities of the council have settled on as Mayor Pro Tem, Chavez said, providing more housing.

1884
03:15:40,720 --> 03:15:43,260
And I think this is a terrific project.

1885
03:15:43,660 --> 03:15:48,060
I just wish we would have gotten it through faster, and I know we will in the future.

1886
03:15:48,940 --> 03:15:53,560
You know, you're winning, so there's something critical for you to say.

1887
03:15:53,560 --> 03:15:59,280
Just a clarification if the motion includes the additional condition that the Planning Commission impose.

1888
03:15:59,600 --> 03:16:01,620
Yeah, yeah, yes, it does.

1889
03:16:02,060 --> 03:16:04,580
It's just approving what affirming what they did.

1890
03:16:05,020 --> 03:16:05,860
Okay, thank you.

1891
03:16:06,140 --> 03:16:06,500
Okay.

1892
03:16:06,860 --> 03:16:11,980
The only thing I was going to mention is it'd be good to just approve these plans as they are so

1893
03:16:11,980 --> 03:16:15,880
we can move forward and be clear about the conditions.

1894
03:16:16,440 --> 03:16:19,400
Well, the only condition they added was to get rid of the palm trees, right?

1895
03:16:20,200 --> 03:16:21,320
I mean, that's no big deal, right?

1896
03:16:21,320 --> 03:16:23,020
What did they do? They had anything else?

1897
03:16:26,240 --> 03:16:31,200
It was the two of us. There's two I saw. And we addressed them both.

1898
03:16:31,540 --> 03:16:37,760
The commission also reiterated the requirement that a view study be required during the building plan check process.

1899
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:43,560
And so in an effort to try to maybe eliminate that component of the condition, the applicant has submitted

1900
03:16:43,560 --> 03:16:49,600
the revised landscaping plan to provide additional landscaping, to provide that privacy so

1901
03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:51,880
that that study won't be required down the road.

1902
03:16:51,880 --> 03:17:01,600
Okay. And so what does staff think about that? You think it's a good idea to eliminate that?

1903
03:17:01,700 --> 03:17:19,620
When we evaluated the revised landscaping plan, the applicant does appear to comply with the additional required landscaping as recommended by the planning commission, and it would be beneficial to make a determination of if that's sufficient to reduce the privacy impacts or not.

1904
03:17:19,620 --> 03:17:27,420
Otherwise, if during building plan check there's additional remedies, we maybe should be requiring them at this time.

1905
03:17:27,960 --> 03:17:28,740
I'm not understanding.

1906
03:17:28,940 --> 03:17:36,340
So if the landscaping is sufficient, then we shouldn't have to do additional view studies to determine if there's privacy impacts.

1907
03:17:37,180 --> 03:17:40,140
Okay, so you think we should get rid of the view study?

1908
03:17:41,640 --> 03:17:45,340
I think it's the recommendation, yes, correct?

1909
03:17:45,860 --> 03:17:47,260
Okay, I will include that in my motion.

1910
03:17:47,260 --> 03:17:48,080
second cruise.

1911
03:17:48,560 --> 03:17:49,280
Second cruise.

1912
03:17:49,500 --> 03:17:50,180
No view study.

1913
03:17:50,860 --> 03:17:52,220
Let's get rid of the palm trees.

1914
03:17:52,620 --> 03:17:52,840
Correct.

1915
03:17:53,100 --> 03:17:55,780
I know some of the council members feel strongly about palm trees.

1916
03:17:56,520 --> 03:17:57,180
And palm trees.

1917
03:17:58,040 --> 03:17:59,320
People don't like palm trees.

1918
03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:07,960
And palm trees, you know, I don't mind palm trees but they can be as we saw in the fires.

1919
03:18:07,960 --> 03:18:12,240
They can be flammable and dangerous so you could use another tree.

1920
03:18:12,560 --> 03:18:14,120
But we'll get rid of the view study.

1921
03:18:14,120 --> 03:18:19,380
That's good. If there's no other comments than anybody has, okay, Councilmember Gameros.

1922
03:18:22,160 --> 03:18:22,640
No,

1923
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:29,080
I know, but can you read if you want to give me a comment?

1924
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:35,040
What could you pile, pile?

1925
03:18:41,030 --> 03:18:42,650
Okay, well you said that already.

1926
03:18:42,710 --> 03:18:43,590
We heard you. Go.

1927
03:18:43,790 --> 03:18:48,310
Okay, so I just want to make some comments here on everything that I've heard.

1928
03:18:49,630 --> 03:18:54,050
I don't think it's fair that an applicant, a developer,

1929
03:18:55,090 --> 03:19:00,950
has to wait two years, or invests two years of their time, not in that of itself,

1930
03:19:01,390 --> 03:19:08,330
but in proportion to the fact that 72 hours is only given because that's the letter of the law.

1931
03:19:09,010 --> 03:19:11,230
There's a letter of the law and there's a sphere of the law.

1932
03:19:11,690 --> 03:19:14,110
And I'm not going to call foul play.

1933
03:19:14,570 --> 03:19:20,250
But if it takes two years to get to the Planning Commission and 72 hours later,

1934
03:19:20,250 --> 03:19:24,550
there's a decision made. I think that's extremely impactful on the surrounding

1935
03:19:24,550 --> 03:19:30,270
neighbors and I don't think it's fair. So, for that reason, I'm not going to support this.

1936
03:19:30,730 --> 03:19:34,870
Okay. Fair enough. Let's call for the question.

1937
03:19:41,580 --> 03:19:42,880
Councilmember Reynolds, please.

1938
03:19:45,080 --> 03:19:48,660
Motion carries 5-1 with Councilmember Camero's voting. No.

1939
03:19:49,180 --> 03:19:56,280
Thank you. Congratulations and we're moving on to the next item which is old business item number

1940
03:19:56,280 --> 03:19:56,740
Number one.

1941
03:19:58,400 --> 03:19:58,940
Thank you.

1942
03:19:59,020 --> 03:19:59,960
This is the clean-

1943
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:09,640
Ability, options, voucher, pilot, program for community-based transit. This is an amendment one presentation by Mr. Seth Rahman, Public Works Director.

1944
03:20:11,820 --> 03:20:15,480
Mr. Mayor, members of the council, our

1945
03:20:15,480 --> 03:20:20,080
Transpression, so it's managed at Paul Martin, and I have a Transpression Co-ordinator,

1946
03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:24,080
but I think the Atomas are getting ready to set up the presentation.

1947
03:20:25,180 --> 03:20:29,800
But I think we'll make the presentation, and I will be happy to answer any questions after that.

1948
03:20:31,020 --> 03:20:31,300
Okay.

1949
03:20:35,320 --> 03:20:37,820
Gentlemen, whenever you're ready, you have the floor.

1950
03:20:42,380 --> 03:20:45,560
Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem and Honoural Council.

1951
03:20:46,460 --> 03:20:50,280
I bring, we bring before you, I'm joined, my name's but I think the Atomas, I'm the City's

1952
03:20:50,280 --> 03:20:56,420
Active Transportation Coordinator, and I'm joined by Paul Martin, our City's Transportation Services Manager.

1953
03:20:56,700 --> 03:21:03,740
Today, we bring before you the Clean Mobility Options Voucher Pilot Program for Community-Based Transit Amendment 1.

1954
03:21:04,920 --> 03:21:16,560
Some quick background on the project, the Clean Mobility Options Program is a state-wide initiative that provides funding for on-demand electric vehicle transit services to underserved communities.

1955
03:21:16,560 --> 03:21:23,240
And the goals of this program are to increase clean mobility options for low income and disadvantaged communities.

1956
03:21:23,660 --> 03:21:33,860
Provide community driven mobility solutions, improve access to safe reliable community and affordable community mobility, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

1957
03:21:34,900 --> 03:21:46,380
The city staff submitted a successful grant amplification to the CMO program in August of 2023, and we were awarded an initial grant of

1958
03:21:46,380 --> 03:21:54,320
$500,000 per year for a total of $1.5 million with no, and I should point out there's had no required local match.

1959
03:21:54,840 --> 03:22:04,420
In June of 2024, the City Council awarded a contract services agreement to circuit transit ink to operate the on-demand rideshare service.

1960
03:22:04,980 --> 03:22:15,020
And we began operation of the service in October 2024, which provided on-demand point-to-point rideshare service in the areas of college park and

1961
03:22:15,020 --> 03:22:21,380
the west side south of Joanne Street connecting that area to the area surrounding the east side

1962
03:22:21,380 --> 03:22:23,500
commercial district along 17th Street.

1963
03:22:26,140 --> 03:22:31,960
Since the launch of the program in October of 2024, we've seen a steady increase in

1964
03:22:31,960 --> 03:22:38,460
ridership until the month of August, our last recorded month of 2,800 rides per month.

1965
03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:52,840
In February of 2025, city staff successfully secured an additional grant of $300,000 to increase the program funding from $1.5 million to $1.8 million.

1966
03:22:53,620 --> 03:22:59,340
This additional funding will expand the service area and add a fourth electric vehicle to the service.

1967
03:23:00,100 --> 03:23:05,680
In addition, the expansion of the service is pending the approval of amendment one with circuit transit ink.

1968
03:23:07,960 --> 03:23:11,680
Additionally, the staff is proposing to update the service hours.

1969
03:23:11,880 --> 03:23:16,160
The current service hours are Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. until 6 p.m.

1970
03:23:16,940 --> 03:23:20,040
Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1971
03:23:20,540 --> 03:23:24,760
And we're proposing to extend the Monday through Friday service hours from 8 a.m.

1972
03:23:24,820 --> 03:23:25,540
to 8 p.m.

1973
03:23:25,960 --> 03:23:29,200
And maintain those Saturday and Sunday hours from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1974
03:23:30,360 --> 03:23:35,760
The service area, as mentioned, is currently south of Joanne Street in the College Park and

1975
03:23:35,760 --> 03:24:05,740
west side areas to federal avenue, south of west 19th street, it goes to the western city limits to west 16th street and this connects again to the east 17th street commercial district, bounded by east 18th street in the north and east 16th street in the south, the proposed service area expansion would add the addition of the whole hospital complex as well as the east side of Newport Boulevard, south of Santa Isabella Avenue between Elden Avenue, Florida Avenue and Newport

1976
03:24:05,740 --> 03:24:06,460
report Boulevard.

1977
03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:19,080
The CMO pilot project for on-demand transit services is included in the fiscal year 2025-26 CIP budget and the amount of $500,000.

1978
03:24:19,560 --> 03:24:26,080
Staff is requesting to increase this appropriation to 650,000 for the approved expansion of the service.

1979
03:24:26,580 --> 03:24:32,960
And funding for the proposed amendment one with circuit transit ink is provided by the grant for two years.

1980
03:24:33,340 --> 03:24:35,920
And as previously mentioned, there is no local city match.

1981
03:24:35,920 --> 03:24:51,220
the CMO pilot program does require a city commitment, however, of city staff time, including social media advertising and administration, as well as electricity for four EV chargers and dedicated parking spaces at the corporate yard.

1982
03:24:53,140 --> 03:24:59,960
Staff recommends that this evening that City Council approve amendment one to the contractor services agreement with Circuit Transit A.

1983
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:29,980
I think for the clean mobility options voucher pilot program in an amount not to exceed $650,000 annually for a term of two years. That city council authorize an increase of appropriation of the clean mobility on demand transit services from 500,000 to 650,000 for the FY 2025, 26 budget. And that city council authorize the city manager and the city clerk to execute the agreement and future amendments to the

1984
03:25:29,980 --> 03:25:34,660
agreement. With that, I conclude my presentation and we are available for questions. Thank you

1985
03:25:34,660 --> 03:25:38,660
very much. Thank you, excellent presentation. Any questions?

1986
03:25:39,980 --> 03:25:44,540
How's the room really? Just a couple. I know it's a popular program and

1987
03:25:44,540 --> 03:25:49,200
it seems to be getting a lot of usage, but I'm just curious, in 2026, whether the grant

1988
03:25:49,200 --> 03:25:54,360
program runs out, have we heard any indication from Sacramento or any other

1989
03:25:54,360 --> 03:25:59,500
sources to what their intentions are or what our plan would be if the funding

1990
03:26:01,380 --> 03:26:06,060
Good evening, councilmember Buley. I'm Paul Martin, the Transportation Services Manager.

1991
03:26:06,820 --> 03:26:12,840
We kind of expected you guys would ask. It's kind of the hot topic, right? We were able,

1992
03:26:13,060 --> 03:26:18,860
the city was able to secure a grant for three years. So what happens after that? Our team

1993
03:26:18,860 --> 03:26:23,660
is actually working on a more comprehensive memo, providing more details about the ridership

1994
03:26:23,660 --> 03:26:28,060
and evaluating how the service is going that will provide the City Council.

1995
03:26:28,940 --> 03:26:32,180
And with that, always thinking about funding opportunities going forward.

1996
03:26:32,680 --> 03:26:36,180
We haven't necessarily seen another funding source immediately, but

1997
03:26:36,860 --> 03:26:40,680
we've got a couple years to really nurture that and look for those opportunities.

1998
03:26:41,300 --> 03:26:45,540
Whether that's with the state or with OCTA more locally,

1999
03:26:45,980 --> 03:26:49,340
or if there's some other mechanism for some funding sources.

2000
03:26:49,340 --> 03:27:16,620
I would imagine maybe with our finance department or what now we can do some sort of analysis and look at a whole bunch of scenarios, but one scenario is what's it cost to maintain this and what would be a reasonable fee for servicing right now it's a gratis voucher program but who knows we own the vehicles my sense is a lot of these EVs are pretty low to no maintenance for certain period of time, depending on what their loo useful life is.

2001
03:27:16,620 --> 03:27:32,760
And you guys crunch the numbers and see what's the low, low amount to still provide the service, especially if it's extremely popular at a below market fee, but I'm sure that's part of the memo and things you guys will be working on.

2002
03:27:32,760 --> 03:27:38,760
And that's kind of the beauty of the pilot right we're getting that opportunity for three years years to really see

2003
03:27:39,500 --> 03:27:46,520
With X dollars. What do we get with these certain amount of hours with this many vehicles and a certain geography

2004
03:27:46,520 --> 03:27:54,080
So then we'll know exactly what those costs are through the coordination with this vendor that we have running the system

2005
03:27:54,080 --> 03:27:59,880
Okay, I'm gonna support this. I was just curious. Well, yeah, I've got you guys here. Yeah, I didn't ask you a great

2006
03:27:59,880 --> 03:28:00,720
Mr. Mayor.

2007
03:28:01,740 --> 03:28:01,920
Yes.

2008
03:28:02,260 --> 03:28:09,580
If you can just clarify, the funding is there till October of 2027, I just want to clarify that.

2009
03:28:11,120 --> 03:28:11,420
Excellent.

2010
03:28:12,920 --> 03:28:16,020
Any other, before we open it up to the public, any other questions?

2011
03:28:17,500 --> 03:28:19,360
Okay, let's open it up to public comment.

2012
03:28:26,990 --> 03:28:28,630
I guess I'll go first.

2013
03:28:29,050 --> 03:28:29,250
Yes.

2014
03:28:29,250 --> 03:28:44,950
Yes, quick question, I didn't even know that this program existed in Costa Mesa, but I was wondering, isn't there any other cities that have already done certain programs like that that we can study off of them instead of us spending 1.8 million dollars?

2015
03:28:45,710 --> 03:28:51,950
I mean, I got a lot of relatives that live in LA and they all have scooters and they, you know, you just pick them up and you do whatever.

2016
03:28:51,950 --> 03:28:55,330
So, demographically, who's using the service?

2017
03:28:55,710 --> 03:28:56,450
Is it young people?

2018
03:28:56,690 --> 03:28:57,230
Is it adults?

2019
03:28:57,530 --> 03:28:59,770
Is it people with handicap?

2020
03:29:00,190 --> 03:29:03,510
Is it, you know, the Orange County Transportation Authority

2021
03:29:03,510 --> 03:29:08,890
already operates buses for people that are injured or, you know,

2022
03:29:09,030 --> 03:29:11,930
they need handicap, wheelchair services and so forth.

2023
03:29:12,150 --> 03:29:14,570
So, aren't we kind of doubling this thing up?

2024
03:29:15,270 --> 03:29:19,330
Why are we studying something that somebody else might have already looked at instead

2025
03:29:19,330 --> 03:29:21,390
of saying, hey, look, that worked for these guys?

2026
03:29:21,390 --> 03:29:27,530
Why don't we implement this and do this? And then you guys are buying the batteries on these cars

2027
03:29:27,530 --> 03:29:33,170
Those things go out then the car is useless because you got to change the batteries on them

2028
03:29:33,170 --> 03:29:36,670
Granted, it's not going to happen in three years, but they do diminish

2029
03:29:37,590 --> 03:29:40,910
so my common is white set up another

2030
03:29:42,130 --> 03:29:48,670
Committee to study something that somebody else probably already done and if it's not here locally

2031
03:29:49,270 --> 03:29:52,110
I'm sure the Japanese have already thought about it.

2032
03:29:52,450 --> 03:29:55,770
Tokyo is very, very crowded and they've figured that stuff out.

2033
03:29:56,010 --> 03:29:59,970
So we can look at other things and bring it here instead of trying to create our own...

2034
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,980
No one study session. My two cents worth, thanks. Thank you. Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, just speaking on behalf of myself. Yeah, this is a fantastic program. I have used it already. Enough times to where a driver now recognizes me when I use the program. So I'm very happy about the service. And I'm happy to see it expand over to the east side. I'm sure anyone, any east side regulars would appreciate not having

2035
03:30:29,980 --> 03:30:35,660
to cross over the 55 in order to use this service and I think it's fantastic to expand

2036
03:30:35,660 --> 03:30:41,580
it to include a Hogue Hospital so that anyone can get to their necessary medical appointments.

2037
03:30:42,240 --> 03:30:47,900
So this looks like a great service and I also think that any data points that we can collect

2038
03:30:47,900 --> 03:30:56,080
from this, any anonymized point to point data, see where the travel demand is going to

2039
03:30:56,080 --> 03:31:01,820
and from, and then if we continue with a micro transit service, if after the three-year

2040
03:31:01,820 --> 03:31:09,400
grant period is over, we decide we'd like to go for more of a consistent route, a fixed

2041
03:31:09,400 --> 03:31:15,820
route service, we'll have that data that is specific to Costa Mesa and not something that

2042
03:31:15,820 --> 03:31:20,680
is from like Huntington Beach's circuit system or something like that, which they do have.

2043
03:31:21,280 --> 03:31:24,600
So I think this is a great program and I'm excited to see it expand.

2044
03:31:24,840 --> 03:31:25,080
Thank you.

2045
03:31:25,080 --> 03:31:26,280
Okay, thank you.

2046
03:31:26,780 --> 03:31:27,740
Anybody on Zoom?

2047
03:31:30,110 --> 03:31:30,770
No, Mr. Mayor.

2048
03:31:31,490 --> 03:31:32,490
Close public comment.

2049
03:31:33,050 --> 03:31:38,710
And I'm going to make the motion to approve the staff recommendation, seconded by Council Member Reynolds.

2050
03:31:39,330 --> 03:31:46,990
I'm really, I remember when we opened this and I'm really happy that we've had 11,000 riders and that it's increasing in ridership.

2051
03:31:48,450 --> 03:31:54,110
Do we have data about, and I'm sorry if it's in the staff report and I forget it, I'm sorry about that.

2052
03:31:54,110 --> 03:31:57,270
Do we have data about the demographics of the users?

2053
03:31:59,830 --> 03:32:05,830
Again, that's one of the items that we plan to go into a deeper dive in the memo.

2054
03:32:06,370 --> 03:32:12,050
We do have some data about the age demographic and some of the destinations in particular.

2055
03:32:12,630 --> 03:32:16,530
So we did want to really evaluate that in discussion with the operator.

2056
03:32:16,530 --> 03:32:26,370
And obviously because of the use that we are filling some gaps from OC access provided by OCTA and things like that.

2057
03:32:26,610 --> 03:32:27,690
So that's terrific.

2058
03:32:28,150 --> 03:32:39,270
But is it going to be in the memo, I should say, why are there gaps in how is it that we're filling those gaps?

2059
03:32:39,270 --> 03:33:03,990
Yeah, definitely. We didn't have here tonight, which could be supplemented in the memo is a discussion again about the OCTA buses, the OCE bus routes that go through the city and where they do and don't serve the city and how this microtransit is run by the city, we are in control over what the geography is and what the community it serves, what those destinations are.

2060
03:33:03,990 --> 03:33:17,790
So we have much more say over how that management occurs and it's less of a line that a typical bus route has that's fixed in this case more of a foot geography of the community.

2061
03:33:18,390 --> 03:33:25,010
So we cover a greater area of the community that can be served by all the micro transit.

2062
03:33:25,010 --> 03:33:33,930
So there are definitely pros and cons associated with this type of transit versus the more traditional buses run by OCTA.

2063
03:33:34,510 --> 03:33:42,790
Right. Or even the OCT access, the, you know, the, for disabled folks in the old folks.

2064
03:33:43,390 --> 03:33:51,070
Right. Because our micro transit is serving all the community. So it's not only anyone with mobility access issues.

2065
03:33:51,070 --> 03:33:51,710
Right, right.

2066
03:33:51,850 --> 03:33:53,510
So, greater audience.

2067
03:33:54,370 --> 03:33:55,870
Yeah, anyway, congratulations.

2068
03:33:56,650 --> 03:33:58,250
I mean, I think it's a great implementation.

2069
03:33:58,870 --> 03:34:01,270
Council member Reynolds, did you have anything to say

2070
03:34:01,270 --> 03:34:02,830
you're the second of the motion?

2071
03:34:03,630 --> 03:34:07,550
Yes, a very enthusiastic second.

2072
03:34:08,190 --> 03:34:10,430
Very, very proud of this program.

2073
03:34:10,930 --> 03:34:12,970
And it's great to see the growing

2074
03:34:12,970 --> 03:34:15,750
user ship and the variety in the user ship.

2075
03:34:16,330 --> 03:34:18,350
A little bit of history.

2076
03:34:18,570 --> 03:34:19,770
I know there's been some talks about,

2077
03:34:19,770 --> 03:34:35,030
So, you know, we're different grants come from this is one that several years ago our team was very intentional about pursuing because feedback especially from the Westside community was serious mobility challenges.

2078
03:34:36,350 --> 03:34:43,310
I don't have the data right in front of me, but I recall some census-based statistics on customisa.

2079
03:34:43,310 --> 03:34:49,090
These neighborhoods in particular being some of the highest proportion of residents that don't have access to a car

2080
03:34:49,090 --> 03:34:51,290
And that spans multiple ages

2081
03:34:51,290 --> 03:34:59,750
But another broader context is the aging of Orange County, right? And so a lot of this covers my district where I would get feedback from a lot of her

2082
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:29,500
And your community members who said they didn't go to the senior center because they didn't have access to, they didn't have vehicle access. It was hard to get there. They didn't go to certain events. They didn't get to parks. They couldn't get to a hospital because they didn't have this support. And so knowing that one where able to create these connections is a really incredible service that we can provide. And being able to do it completely free to the city for three years is pretty fantastic. My primary question you already touched on, which was,

2083
03:35:29,920 --> 03:35:34,640
I really wanted to make sure we're ahead of the ball for when the existing grant money

2084
03:35:34,640 --> 03:35:35,180
is gone.

2085
03:35:35,480 --> 03:35:40,320
I know you guys are playing with a lot of different strategies there and can look at other areas

2086
03:35:40,320 --> 03:35:41,900
for those strategies.

2087
03:35:42,180 --> 03:35:47,820
I love the idea of a fix route ride when I was in college or college provided, they called

2088
03:35:47,820 --> 03:35:48,360
it safe ride.

2089
03:35:48,460 --> 03:35:49,240
It was like a fix route.

2090
03:35:49,400 --> 03:35:53,500
So you know, every 10 minutes, you know, in certain locations, a shuttle was going to come

2091
03:35:53,500 --> 03:35:54,320
up that you could get on.

2092
03:35:54,680 --> 03:35:57,320
If that makes sense, you know, it's worth looking into.

2093
03:35:58,520 --> 03:36:04,060
I've mentioned this before with some of the other OCTA funded transportation services that

2094
03:36:04,060 --> 03:36:08,520
we provide, really making sure that we're looking at whether it makes sense to coordinate

2095
03:36:08,520 --> 03:36:13,460
or combine those services that we run through the senior center.

2096
03:36:13,840 --> 03:36:16,500
Let's make sure that we're looking at that data together.

2097
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:26,560
The Japanese have a really good strategy, subways, light rail, fast trains, walkable cities,

2098
03:36:26,560 --> 03:36:28,980
We'll get there, but I think this is a really good incremental step.

2099
03:36:29,920 --> 03:36:30,320
Congratulations.

2100
03:36:31,540 --> 03:36:32,140
Thank you.

2101
03:36:33,220 --> 03:36:33,620
Okay.

2102
03:36:34,760 --> 03:36:35,720
Anyone else to count?

2103
03:36:36,600 --> 03:36:36,680
Mayor.

2104
03:36:38,120 --> 03:36:39,140
Mayor Pro Temp.

2105
03:36:39,200 --> 03:36:43,800
Thank you, Mayor Stevens, and thank you, Mayor Reynolds, for your good comments on this.

2106
03:36:43,880 --> 03:36:47,860
I know you were very interested in bringing this program to Costa Mesa, and it doesn't come

2107
03:36:47,860 --> 03:36:49,060
as much entirety of my district.

2108
03:36:50,440 --> 03:36:55,940
A few things I want to point out is, when we look at the ridership of this program, 45% of

2109
03:36:55,940 --> 03:36:58,820
of the folks using this program are 16 to 22 years old.

2110
03:36:59,760 --> 03:37:02,980
So what that tells me is that we're helping young people in our community,

2111
03:37:04,140 --> 03:37:05,380
perhaps get to their grocery store.

2112
03:37:05,940 --> 03:37:08,280
Don't worry, they're right in two on e-bikes, kind of dangerous.

2113
03:37:08,740 --> 03:37:13,160
But the point I'm trying to make is this is clearly shown to be something that's good for

2114
03:37:13,160 --> 03:37:13,580
the youth.

2115
03:37:14,760 --> 03:37:17,860
And we have a lot of kids in West Coast Mesa that go to school in New Bra Harbor.

2116
03:37:18,420 --> 03:37:21,040
A lot of kids go to school in Sancia and they may get get across town.

2117
03:37:21,820 --> 03:37:23,160
This is very, very productive.

2118
03:37:23,600 --> 03:37:29,720
I think it's a good use of grant funding because I don't own money, it's someone else's money we're using for this program.

2119
03:37:29,940 --> 03:37:35,640
So, I look forward to seeing us continue to develop it, and yeah, let's be productive looking at the future and

2120
03:37:35,640 --> 03:37:39,160
see what we need to do to maintain this with without grant funding.

2121
03:37:39,680 --> 03:37:47,080
Ideally, the hope would be that we have grant funding for this, but if we really feel like it's fitting in our community, I think we should explore that option.

2122
03:37:47,460 --> 03:37:50,600
So, with that being said, there's a good motion, and I was happy to support it.

2123
03:37:50,600 --> 03:37:51,700
Okay.

2124
03:37:54,170 --> 03:37:55,910
In that case, let's call for the question.

2125
03:38:02,560 --> 03:38:03,900
Councilmember Buley, please.

2126
03:38:06,480 --> 03:38:07,740
Motion carries 6-0.

2127
03:38:09,240 --> 03:38:14,980
Right. Now, we have one more item, old business item number two.

2128
03:38:16,500 --> 03:38:22,620
Before we adjourn back to our closed session, can you read the title, please?

2129
03:38:22,960 --> 03:38:28,880
Yes. Second reading and adoption of an ordinance of the City Council, the City of Costa Mesa, California.

2130
03:38:28,880 --> 03:38:45,160
Many in chapters 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 of Title 13, Planning, Zoning, and Development, of the Customation, Municipal Code, Planning, Zoning, and Development, to provide technical updates and clarifications.

2131
03:38:45,380 --> 03:38:53,060
Code amendment PCTY- 2025-001, presentation by Ms. Curly, Assistant Planner.

2132
03:38:53,060 --> 03:38:57,080
Now, Ms. Curley, this was approved as my recollection.

2133
03:38:57,440 --> 03:38:59,720
It was approved last time unanimously.

2134
03:39:00,820 --> 03:39:04,060
So how many syllables do you need for your presentation?

2135
03:39:05,720 --> 03:39:06,440
If any.

2136
03:39:07,200 --> 03:39:09,400
Mayor, staff is available for any questions.

2137
03:39:09,780 --> 03:39:10,360
There you go.

2138
03:39:10,660 --> 03:39:12,000
Beautiful, rock and roll.

2139
03:39:12,360 --> 03:39:15,200
That's the best presentation you've ever made.

2140
03:39:17,580 --> 03:39:19,120
Caitlin Curley for the win.

2141
03:39:19,840 --> 03:39:20,120
All right.

2142
03:39:21,520 --> 03:39:23,300
Let's open it up unless there's no questions.

2143
03:39:23,300 --> 03:39:24,700
Just let's open it up to public comment.

2144
03:39:25,900 --> 03:39:35,860
Anybody, oh, really, Mark, yes, please, please, how many syllables do you need, and then take your time, Mark.

2145
03:39:56,090 --> 03:39:56,250
Are you ready?

2146
03:39:56,930 --> 03:39:57,170
Yeah.

2147
03:39:57,710 --> 03:39:58,810
Good evening, Councilor.

2148
03:39:59,350 --> 03:39:59,970
My name is-

2149
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:04,480
This is Mark Brooksovich, and I want to tell the story of two businesses in Costa Mesa and one government regulation.

2150
03:40:07,000 --> 03:40:22,790
There we go. This is Ali Garvin, the owner of Meet Coffee in Costa Mesa. Meet Coffee actually just celebrated its 10 year anniversary, I think yesterday or the day before. Meet Coffee, if you haven't been, is the clicker going to work.

2151
03:40:26,810 --> 03:40:27,510
I'm trying every button.

2152
03:40:30,130 --> 03:40:31,430
I'm just going to say next slide.

2153
03:40:31,430 --> 03:40:33,170
Is that, you know what I mean?

2154
03:40:36,850 --> 03:40:38,890
Kneat coffees in West Side Coast of Mason

2155
03:40:38,890 --> 03:40:40,890
is a wonderful institution, a coffee shop,

2156
03:40:41,090 --> 03:40:45,010
a community center, started from an old car repair shop

2157
03:40:45,010 --> 03:40:48,970
or something like that, it serves as an amazing community space.

2158
03:40:49,770 --> 03:40:51,330
And knee coffee almost didn't exist.

2159
03:40:51,870 --> 03:40:53,110
Kneat coffee almost didn't exist

2160
03:40:53,110 --> 03:40:56,010
because of our parking minimum requirements.

2161
03:40:56,850 --> 03:40:59,490
Kneat coffee only existed because we,

2162
03:40:59,810 --> 03:41:00,970
because they were not going to meet

2163
03:41:00,970 --> 03:41:02,890
a coastal basis parking minimum requirement,

2164
03:41:03,130 --> 03:41:04,710
unless they put in a bike rack

2165
03:41:04,710 --> 03:41:07,850
which could count for one spot of their parking minimum requirement.

2166
03:41:09,050 --> 03:41:13,610
This is Boyle and Bake. Boyle and Bake is Costa Mesa's newest and greatest

2167
03:41:13,610 --> 03:41:18,950
bagel shop owned by Chef Carlos and Chef Luke. Chef Carlos, if you don't know, is the

2168
03:41:18,950 --> 03:41:23,750
son of the owner of Shirley's Bagels and has been in the Bagel family a long, long

2169
03:41:23,750 --> 03:41:27,910
time. They make amazing, delicious bagels. I'm going to go there in the morning.

2170
03:41:29,430 --> 03:41:32,670
They have been recognized as one of the best restaurants in Costa Mesa.

2171
03:41:32,670 --> 03:41:36,450
listed number one on eaters, eating through Costa Mesa.

2172
03:41:37,550 --> 03:41:40,150
They're recognized across California,

2173
03:41:40,150 --> 03:41:42,270
and Southern California for the best vehicles,

2174
03:41:42,270 --> 03:41:43,750
and they just have their two-year anniversary.

2175
03:41:45,050 --> 03:41:47,330
This is their door, their front door on the right,

2176
03:41:48,050 --> 03:41:48,910
114 right there.

2177
03:41:49,350 --> 03:41:51,930
On the left of them, 112, they're expanding,

2178
03:41:52,230 --> 03:41:53,250
just next door to them.

2179
03:41:53,990 --> 03:41:55,070
And since big things are coming,

2180
03:41:55,250 --> 03:41:56,430
because they're expanding their business.

2181
03:41:57,030 --> 03:41:59,290
But they've been told by the city of Costa Mesa

2182
03:41:59,290 --> 03:42:06,170
that at that expansion, that they cannot have four barstools because they don't meet the minimum

2183
03:42:06,170 --> 03:42:12,470
parking requirement for their property. And they want those four barstools. Their landlord

2184
03:42:12,470 --> 03:42:17,170
wants their four barstools, but our minimum parking requirement says, no, the government

2185
03:42:17,170 --> 03:42:21,910
knows better than the small business owner. This is incredibly frustrating to me. It's incredibly

2186
03:42:21,910 --> 03:42:26,310
frustrating to me how many businesses never even saw the light of day in Costa Mesa because

2187
03:42:26,310 --> 03:42:32,330
they couldn't make their government arbitrary parking requirement standard, as they could

2188
03:42:32,330 --> 03:42:36,810
never see the light of day. And so parking requirements and zoning ordinance

2189
03:42:36,810 --> 03:42:42,690
have created unoccupied spaces. That's sort of something I agree with. Parking does in

2190
03:42:42,690 --> 03:42:46,130
fact deduce traffic and driving. It's not something we should be mandating. It's something

2191
03:42:46,130 --> 03:42:50,030
we should let small businesses decide. And I'm not going to go into this. I don't have

2192
03:42:50,030 --> 03:42:54,330
time. But ultimately, I don't think the government

2193
03:42:54,330 --> 03:42:58,210
how much parking, a mortuary needs, how much a housing development needs,

2194
03:42:58,510 --> 03:43:02,890
how much a flower shop needs, how much a call center needs, and or an accountant's office needs.

2195
03:43:03,230 --> 03:43:07,050
The small business may not know either, but the government certainly doesn't.

2196
03:43:07,130 --> 03:43:09,330
And I think we should get rid of these arbitrary requirements.

2197
03:43:09,730 --> 03:43:10,090
Thank you.

2198
03:43:12,770 --> 03:43:15,090
Spoken by a man who's agitated, yes.

2199
03:43:15,650 --> 03:43:19,230
Okay, so is there anybody on Zoom?

2200
03:43:20,070 --> 03:43:22,150
I would say David, I'm sorry, I missed you over there.

2201
03:43:22,750 --> 03:43:25,130
You have the floor, let's turn that mic back on.

2202
03:43:25,130 --> 03:43:32,750
Thank you. I switched sides on you. Yeah, so speaking only as myself I have to be a little

2203
03:43:32,750 --> 03:43:38,710
careful here because this might come back to planning commission. We did do a study session

2204
03:43:38,710 --> 03:43:45,910
on a whole bunch of different updates towards zoning code that could make businesses be able

2205
03:43:45,910 --> 03:43:50,870
to open a lot faster and a lot easier. And my number one thing that we should address

2206
03:43:50,870 --> 03:43:56,410
is the parking requirements and before you tonight and the reason why Mark and I are both

2207
03:43:56,410 --> 03:44:01,190
talking about this tonight is because you have the commercial parking requirements section

2208
03:44:01,190 --> 03:44:07,730
before you right now under second reading. There are some minor updates in there but honestly

2209
03:44:07,730 --> 03:44:13,910
the best thing that you could do to address boil and bakes concerns to prevent something

2210
03:44:13,910 --> 03:44:20,410
like what happened to neat coffee from happening in the future is just remove that entire section.

2211
03:44:20,410 --> 03:44:28,090
That entire section of commercial parking requirements, honestly, not really needed.

2212
03:44:28,490 --> 03:44:37,110
I've seen graphs from the suggested parking minimum requirements from the Institute of Transportation Engineers.

2213
03:44:37,770 --> 03:44:42,910
And some of those data points that they use are completely lopsided.

2214
03:44:43,310 --> 03:44:45,490
Some of them only have two data points that they use.

2215
03:44:45,490 --> 03:44:50,910
some of them have reverse the bigger businesses, the less parking it actually needs.

2216
03:44:51,350 --> 03:44:57,470
So these things are all over the place and I think if you study the literature of parking

2217
03:44:57,470 --> 03:44:59,970
minimums, and there's a very thick book on-

2218
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,560
Parking requirements by Donald Schoep that you can read if you want, but it essentially says parking requirements are just kind of made up. They're just arbitrarily imposed. And this is one clear, concrete thing that's before you right now. If you wanted to, you could do it tonight, reintroduce as a first reading. But it's something that

2219
03:45:29,560 --> 03:45:40,660
But we desperately need to fix because there are so many businesses, so many places that have been affected by these requirements.

2220
03:45:41,980 --> 03:45:44,640
And they just don't make sense.

2221
03:45:44,860 --> 03:45:53,880
One of my favorites that I've seen is our minimum parking requirements on places that serve alcohol.

2222
03:45:53,880 --> 03:46:03,380
It's like why are we forcing people to have open parking spaces to a place where you're

2223
03:46:03,380 --> 03:46:08,260
going to go and drink and then what you're going to drive home and pair it afterwards.

2224
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:16,080
So this is my number one issue that I want to see addressed in a future zoning code update.

2225
03:46:16,480 --> 03:46:18,920
And I hope that the City Council agrees.

2226
03:46:19,500 --> 03:46:19,760
Thank you.

2227
03:46:22,140 --> 03:46:25,200
Well, let's just sound really glad I stayed for the last one.

2228
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:30,860
So when he comes to parking, parking is a driver.

2229
03:46:31,440 --> 03:46:37,820
If you don't have sufficient parking, as stated, and one number does not apply to everything.

2230
03:46:38,280 --> 03:46:43,240
But I'll tell you what, we're having major issues, and what is before you right now.

2231
03:46:43,400 --> 03:46:48,660
If it gets changed, then what happens to all the businesses that have gone through and

2232
03:46:48,660 --> 03:46:54,620
applied and either got denied or are currently operating without sufficient.

2233
03:46:55,120 --> 03:46:59,640
The Mercado Market at the Home Depot parking lot, go out there on a Saturday morning.

2234
03:46:59,940 --> 03:47:00,580
There's no parking.

2235
03:47:01,420 --> 03:47:05,740
You have to park at the Home Depot section and walk all the way across if you want to go to the market.

2236
03:47:06,260 --> 03:47:12,900
And if you want to go to the Wells Fargo Bank, well, you might as well park maybe by Starbucks or something down the street cuz there is no parking.

2237
03:47:12,900 --> 03:47:17,940
Even the older employees park in the back of the store now, they're still in the sufficient

2238
03:47:17,940 --> 03:47:18,340
parking.

2239
03:47:18,680 --> 03:47:25,500
They just open the salty horse behind the Rexall center right there on Cecil.

2240
03:47:25,880 --> 03:47:26,760
They're doing phenomenal.

2241
03:47:27,920 --> 03:47:29,180
They don't have any parking.

2242
03:47:30,200 --> 03:47:31,740
They don't have any handicap parking.

2243
03:47:32,020 --> 03:47:35,320
The other day I was driving down the street, there was a girl in the wheelchair trying to

2244
03:47:35,320 --> 03:47:37,240
get to the restaurant.

2245
03:47:37,940 --> 03:47:39,200
Where are they supposed to park?

2246
03:47:40,000 --> 03:47:44,520
Now, the fact that they don't have sufficient parking, they're parking up and down a residential

2247
03:47:44,520 --> 03:47:45,080
street.

2248
03:47:45,380 --> 03:47:48,040
They're parking up and down on Eldin, they're parking down on Cecil.

2249
03:47:48,380 --> 03:47:54,360
There is no parking yet, they're operating a phenomenal business out of a location that

2250
03:47:54,360 --> 03:47:55,700
doesn't even meet the criteria.

2251
03:47:57,240 --> 03:48:01,900
So do you go back and revert all these existing businesses and say, well, guess what, you don't

2252
03:48:01,900 --> 03:48:02,740
need any parking now?

2253
03:48:03,100 --> 03:48:04,540
Just do whatever you want to do.

2254
03:48:05,240 --> 03:48:09,300
or is it going to be like LA that we're going to start having meters on every street and

2255
03:48:09,300 --> 03:48:12,900
the cities collect revenue because now you're parking on city streets because you can't

2256
03:48:12,900 --> 03:48:13,800
park anywhere else.

2257
03:48:14,520 --> 03:48:18,460
And now you're doing the housing program where you can build an ADU, but you don't have

2258
03:48:18,460 --> 03:48:20,960
to supply any parking for the ADU, so where they're going to park.

2259
03:48:21,580 --> 03:48:25,720
They can't park on the grass, they don't have a garage, and everybody that does have a

2260
03:48:25,720 --> 03:48:31,620
garage has stuff with the kids to store in the garage, their electric bikes, their canoes,

2261
03:48:31,720 --> 03:48:32,940
their exercise room, whatever.

2262
03:48:32,940 --> 03:48:40,460
So now everybody gets dumped onto the city street and now the city maintains a city street with red curbs

2263
03:48:40,460 --> 03:48:45,060
So now there's even less parking in higher density areas

2264
03:48:45,820 --> 03:48:46,340
so

2265
03:48:47,240 --> 03:48:49,020
You have to have parking

2266
03:48:49,620 --> 03:48:52,080
it's mandatory to have parking and

2267
03:48:53,240 --> 03:48:55,860
For eliminating so much. I mean

2268
03:48:56,500 --> 03:48:59,960
It doesn't have to be one number fits all

2269
03:49:00,700 --> 03:49:02,540
Everyone should stand on its own merit

2270
03:49:02,940 --> 03:49:04,120
I'm a general contractor.

2271
03:49:04,480 --> 03:49:08,300
If that project doesn't meet the criteria, and I can't make my profit margin,

2272
03:49:08,600 --> 03:49:10,040
that's not a good project for me.

2273
03:49:10,320 --> 03:49:12,580
I walk away from it, I go to the next project.

2274
03:49:13,200 --> 03:49:17,520
So every restaurant or parking situation she's staying on its own ground.

2275
03:49:18,260 --> 03:49:23,120
I mean, I don't think four barstools really makes a difference, but that's my personal opinion.

2276
03:49:24,380 --> 03:49:26,280
But you have to have some picture.

2277
03:49:26,700 --> 03:49:28,060
All right, thank you.

2278
03:49:28,420 --> 03:49:29,100
Anybody on Zoom?

2279
03:49:29,540 --> 03:49:30,080
No, Mr. Mayor.

2280
03:49:30,300 --> 03:49:31,440
Okay, close public comment.

2281
03:49:31,440 --> 03:49:38,000
But I'm going to make a motion to approve the item for second reading.

2282
03:49:38,500 --> 03:49:41,140
However, I do think this is an interesting conversation.

2283
03:49:41,540 --> 03:49:49,640
And I think that we should consider having a study session next year about this concept

2284
03:49:49,640 --> 03:49:52,880
of commercial parking minimums.

2285
03:49:53,060 --> 03:49:56,320
But for now, I think we should vote for this.

2286
03:49:56,520 --> 03:49:59,060
Yes, of course, all on one second, because I made my motion.

2287
03:49:59,060 --> 03:49:59,980
you could speak in the same way.

2288
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:00,160
Second.

2289
03:50:02,180 --> 03:50:29,980
I made the motion. It's seconded by Councilmember Chavez. We're going to give him a shot to say anything, but I do think that we should just for now get through the holidays, you know, help that we can find a parking space and get through this meeting. Okay. Do you have anything to say, Mayor Pro Tem? No, you have something super important to say. Go. I do just because you guys just confused the heck out of me and I just want some clarification and it kind of pivoted

2290
03:50:29,980 --> 03:50:43,920
It's on the conversation I had with Miss Thai, the one project I was talking about seems like one of the hang-ups was a parking issue, but I just want to make sure I follow this exchange correctly.

2291
03:50:44,360 --> 03:50:56,200
What's being contemplated in tonight's second reading, it wouldn't be, it would be to remove mandatory minimum numbers, but not to remove mandatory parking.

2292
03:50:56,200 --> 03:51:18,140
And I'd like to comment that was made, it seems to me the appropriate path forward when we get there would be on a case-by-case basis, the applicant justify a reasonable parking number that everybody agrees to, but what was being contemplated just remove all parking requirements because that seems absurd to me.

2293
03:51:19,220 --> 03:51:21,700
Thank you, Council Member Buley.

2294
03:51:21,880 --> 03:51:28,260
As part of tonight's agenda item for the second reading, there is no proposal to remove

2295
03:51:28,260 --> 03:51:29,740
any parking minimums.

2296
03:51:30,260 --> 03:51:37,940
The only aspect of the second reading that remotely touches parking is the adoption of

2297
03:51:37,940 --> 03:51:47,200
updated shared parking data for hour by hour usage that allows staff to calculate how a shopping

2298
03:51:47,200 --> 03:51:52,980
center with many tenants, how users of that shopping center occupy parking throughout the

2299
03:51:52,980 --> 03:51:58,960
course of a day so that they can share parking over the course of the day and in total not

2300
03:51:59,480 --> 03:52:01,380
have each tenant park individually.

2301
03:52:01,980 --> 03:52:07,680
And the net result is actually that fewer parking spaces will be required when a whole shopping

2302
03:52:07,680 --> 03:52:09,800
center is taken into account.

2303
03:52:10,200 --> 03:52:14,160
But that is the only aspect of parking that's affected with the zoning ordinance change.

2304
03:52:14,160 --> 03:52:21,800
Any discussion about parking ratios or parking minimums would return at a future time and I'll just end on this

2305
03:52:21,800 --> 03:52:29,820
I'm appreciative of this discussion and to pivot on what we spoke previously maybe a week or so ago that this is all part of the process of

2306
03:52:29,820 --> 03:52:32,520
Cleaning up our zoning and code so we can

2307
03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:41,480
Tackle this problem of delay and frustration and making it difficult for people to pull permits and do business in the city

2308
03:52:41,480 --> 03:52:45,000
So I'll support the motion, but I just wanted that clarification, thank you.

2309
03:52:45,200 --> 03:52:46,920
Before I was good, I just never felt it.

2310
03:52:47,180 --> 03:52:53,940
Shout out to the designated drivers, because I actually drive in park when my wife drinks wine at the bar, just saying, you know.

2311
03:52:54,240 --> 03:52:58,720
So, anyway, good point, Council Member Rounds.

2312
03:52:59,940 --> 03:53:01,560
Yeah, I'll be supporting the motion.

2313
03:53:01,720 --> 03:53:07,920
I just wanted to add, I have a strong interest in well as well, and I like the idea of a study session on the topic.

2314
03:53:08,720 --> 03:53:37,900
It is the highest pain point that I hear from especially our small businesses who are trying to open the very thick book that Commissioner Martinez mentioned in his personal capacity is called the high cost of free parking, and it's really eye-opening about the lost opportunities with certain areas.

2315
03:53:37,900 --> 03:53:44,640
parking requirements, not just what businesses don't open, but how we're using land in our city.

2316
03:53:44,920 --> 03:53:50,400
So I think it's a really important topic and the benefits that come from addressing this issue

2317
03:53:50,400 --> 03:53:56,580
are very aligned with, I think, resident interest on diverse dynamic,

2318
03:53:56,920 --> 03:54:01,600
interesting, locally-owned businesses that really face major barriers due to our parking requirements.

2319
03:54:02,640 --> 03:54:12,920
In one last thing before I call for the question, I do remember having a sitting in a very interesting breakout session at the mayor's conference in D.C.

2320
03:54:13,780 --> 03:54:16,540
Where a napal, wait, was it a napalist?

2321
03:54:17,120 --> 03:54:31,440
Anyway, I think it was one of the city's back east, did a private, public-private partnership to develop paid parking, you know, where people pay on public or private land.

2322
03:54:31,440 --> 03:54:32,840
and we worked with it.

2323
03:54:33,240 --> 03:54:42,360
We have in the city of Costa Mesa, to my knowledge, no place public parking where people pay, right?

2324
03:54:42,660 --> 03:54:50,500
And there's a lot of hunting and beach has that, Santa Ana has that, it's quite good.

2325
03:54:51,080 --> 03:54:59,360
And I think that as Council Member Reynolds said, the title of the books is the high cost of free parking.

2326
03:54:59,360 --> 03:54:59,980
And so

2327
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:29,980
And so we can maybe work together as part of our discussion on opportunities for a public-private partnership to create parking, to alleviate some of the pressure on our businesses, and also address the need for parking, which I think we all know it exists. But we kind of leave, throw our local businesses to the wolves and have them shoulder the entire burden of that without stepping up.

2328
03:55:29,980 --> 03:55:37,680
as the public sector, as many of our local neighboring communities do, all right?

2329
03:55:38,020 --> 03:55:38,860
Let's call for the question.

2330
03:55:44,500 --> 03:55:46,100
Council Member Pioli, please.

2331
03:55:49,310 --> 03:55:50,790
Motion carries 6, 0.

2332
03:55:51,690 --> 03:56:03,590
Okay, at the request of Council, sorry, Mayor Pro Tem, Chavez, we're going to adjourn in memory in honor of

2333
03:56:03,590 --> 03:56:19,490
Jager boys who died tragically in an e-bike accident and may rest in peace and may we commit ourselves to safe e-bike ridership and take care of those folks on e-bikes.