[0:00] move around.
[0:06] » Yeah, let me throw my chair on the other
side.
[0:12] » Just got to get on.
[0:24] » All right, it is past 5:30, so we will
go ahead and call this meeting to order.
[0:29] Get on the right pile here.
>> I'll call the order. Roll call, please.
[0:36] » Here.
>> Yes.
[0:40] » Yes.
[0:55] » Pull that one up. Oh, okay.
[1:07] No, not yet.
>> That's okay.
[1:10] » I appreciate you were ready for an
answer, though.
[1:16] » No, we can go ahead and proceed.
[1:21] » All right, we'll go ahead and move on to
observe a moment of silence, please.
[1:58] Thank you. Join me in the pledge of
allegiance.
[2:05] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[2:10] republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:16] justice for all.
[2:20] » Thank you. Copy of the Communities Act
is posted on the wall in the entryway um
[2:26] here in the library.
It's also available in pamphlet form and
[2:31] if you follow the link listed within the
agenda. Tonight we're going to be joined
[2:36] or uh the majority of this special
council meeting will be the zoom
[2:39] presentation by Bobby Petty and Doug
Christensen and they are with the five
[2:44] rule rule planning regarding the vacant
property registry program. Thought I was
[2:50] repeating myself but I'm not. It's
really written that way.
[2:55] Hi Bobby. Hi Doug. Thanks for joining
us.
[3:01] » Can you guys hear? There we go.
I can hear you. Can you hear me a bit?
[3:07] » Yes.
>> So, just to orient myself to the room,
[3:12] it looks like you guys are looking at my
fave, but I'm looking at the back of
[3:17] your head. That
[3:22] » comfortable with it. Yes.
>> Yep. That's correct.
[3:26] » Okay.
Okay. So,
[3:32] when you get ready question. We might
have to adjust the microphone to make
[3:36] sure I can hear you. Okay.
>> Um, April, thank you for introducing us.
[3:41] I'm Bobby Liz with Doug. You might have
figured that out. Uh,
[3:47] we offer the vacant property registry
program. So, our company is in Cardi,
[3:52] Nebraska. I I grew up in Verna,
Nebraska. 300 people like just on the
[3:59] edge of this hill. Uh, and then I grew
up and um do community planning now. So
[4:06] I have a master's degree in planning,
but we focus on small towns, communities
[4:12] uh 5,000 and below. So I apologize for
putting the name rural in the business.
[4:17] Uh it's important because uh planning is
often associated with like urban areas
[4:24] or cities, but we focused on rural
planning, farm communities. Turns out
[4:29] it's a really difficult word to say. So
someday maybe I'll fix that or rebrand
[4:34] when I get around to it. I don't know.
Uh and so I started the business in
[4:40] 2018. Before that I did um I did
military I did planning for the military
[4:46] department. I was at the National Guard
for the state of Nebraska and worked
[4:49] full-time. Then I worked with the city
of Cardi and over the building
[4:53] department um development services
planning and zoning. Then I worked
[4:58] development district. So you guys are
part of PAD area development panhandle
[5:03] area development district. I worked with
South Central Economic Development
[5:07] District
through a couple more planning jobs and
[5:11] then finally just decided to open my own
shop in 2018 and that seems to be going
[5:17] much better. Uh so we do community and
economic development consulting. Some of
[5:23] our clients are long-term economic
development. Like we serve as their
[5:28] economic developer. We also do like
oneoff plans and studies, housing
[5:33] studies, comprehensive plan, draft your
zoning regulations.
[5:38] And then what I'm going to talk to you
about tonight is we offer vacant
[5:42] property registry administration.
So in 2018, the legislature passed LB256
[5:50] and that made it legal for communities
to create a vacant property registry.
[5:58] Before that, we had no enabling
legislation to allow us to do that. Um
[6:02] so now what our program consists of is
uh the city passes an ordinance, the
[6:10] city engages with the veil law. So, we
only use one attorney to um administer
[6:17] the vacant property registry, and we'll
get into why that's important. Um once
[6:22] you pass the ordinance, engage with lot
and then appoint us as your
[6:29] administrator to a resolution, we create
the registry. The properties that go
[6:34] onto the vacant property registry are
properties that are not occupied that
[6:40] were built to be occupied.
So commercial or residential
[6:46] um the owner gets notified once the
property goes onto the registry and then
[6:52] for zero to six months there's no charge
for the property to be on the registry.
[6:58] There's no fees assessed.
Um to back up a little bit, once we've
[7:03] identified a property and decided it
meets all the criteria, we notify the
[7:07] owner that their property meet the
criteria and then we give them 14 days
[7:13] to register. If they don't register
after 14 days, then we register on their
[7:19] behalf essentially because if they are
vacant property and they choose to
[7:24] register, then the old fine of $100 a
day comes into effect. So to not do that
[7:30] we register the property for them as the
administrator. Then once the property is
[7:36] on the registry then the clock starts
ticking. So for 0 to 6 months there's no
[7:42] fee of theft or anything. After 6 months
we accept the first fee. Um for
[7:48] residential the maximum allowable fee
you can assess is $250. For commercial
[7:55] the maximum allowable fee you can
assessment. If we are administering your
[7:59] program, we will strongly strongly
encourage you to accept the maximum
[8:04] fees. Binge um the fee double and add
on. So again, at month zero, nothing in
[8:12] due at month six, if you are a
commercial property, $1,000 in due. If
[8:19] you're a residential property, 250 in
deal. And then fees are set every six
[8:24] months. So at month 12, if you're a
residential property and you didn't pay
[8:29] your first fee, you now will owe 750
because you owe 250 for the first six
[8:35] months and then the 250 will double and
add on to 750 and it carries on that way
[8:42] um up to 10 times the original fee. So
after we get so far into it, it's just
[8:48] $2,500 every six months. The way that we
administer the program and the reason
[8:54] that utilize available lot is that feed
that go untaid we will assess a lean
[9:01] against the property for unt
[9:08] since 2018 and so we have quite a bit of
data and experience and we just decided
[9:13] the other night that the sweet spot is
right around two and a half to three
[9:19] years around that time we if you're a
house we will have lean roughly $3,700.
[9:26] So when we get to that point, that's
when we start to foreclose on the leans.
[9:32] Eventually the property will go to
auction then and sometimes we have a
[9:37] private individual that wants to flip a
property that does show up and buy the
[9:41] property. If there's nobody that's
interested in the property, then the
[9:45] cities will end up with the property. If
you have a CRA or a CA, we would like
[9:52] them to be the one that ends up with the
property and we can help you set that
[9:56] up. If you've never worked with like
substandard studies or tax financing or
[10:02] utilize the CRA or CDA, then we can help
you with that. But we'd like you to have
[10:07] that body available
when we administer the program and often
[10:12] coming from MRA to Doug Go. I'm about to
tell the story of being a kid. Nebraska
[10:19] walking to school and like Aunt Edna
died and then Leota died and then Jenny
[10:25] and June died and then nothing happened
with their house and so 1994 I'm walking
[10:32] to school in Verna vacant house after
vacant house after vacant house and then
[10:37] after a while you have to ask yourself
what does that make you think about your
[10:41] community and then what does that make
you think about yourself and so when we
[10:46] administer the vacant property registry,
we have an end goal in mind to see
[10:51] something happen with these properties.
So, we want the properties either to be
[10:55] occupied or demolished and that's the
way that we operate the program with an
[11:02] end goal in mind. So, we charge I know
you're you're probably wondering that uh
[11:10] what's this going to cost? We charge
$6,500
[11:15] I think.
That's what I said. Uh, and it's a black
[11:20] feed and we assess it every we charge
you every quarter for setting up the
[11:25] registry and administering the program.
If we become your administrator, Doug
[11:32] would visit you every six months. So, we
report to you on a six-month basis.
[11:38] These are the properties on the
registry. These are the properties that
[11:41] have unpaid leans. These are the
properties that we can assess lean on.
[11:45] now and we come to you every six months
with a static update but we would send
[11:50] you a report every quarter
um after the first year then we would
[11:57] reassess our contract so we are your
administrator for a year at a time um at
[12:03] the end of the first year maybe we ended
up spending a lot more time on your
[12:07] community than I had budgeted for or
maybe a lot of your property got off the
[12:13] registry right away and we have a couple
properties you're managing, then we
[12:17] would reduce our fees. So, there's the
administrative fee of paying us.
[12:22] Honestly, we're probably the cheapest of
the costs you're going to incur. When
[12:27] you engage with the law, the attorney
that will be representing you is Drew
[12:32] Graham, and he's out of and he's out of
York. He's a municipal attorney
[12:36] representing numerous communities across
the state. You'll pay $1,000 when you
[12:42] sign the engagement letter with him and
then he'll generate your ordinance and
[12:48] your other documents to get you started.
Then you'll only pay his hourly rate
[12:53] when needed. So if you guys are like
Sutton and Skyler and everybody in
[12:59] Crawford is lawyered up and we get uh
hot Doug say the other day hot phone
[13:06] call. We get hot call from lawyers. When
a lawyer calls us and says they're going
[13:10] to sue us, we say, "That's great. I'm so
glad that you have a lawyer. Now, your
[13:16] lawyer can talk to our lawyer." And so,
when Drew returns the call, then you pay
[13:20] his fee. When it comes time to assess
leans, you'll you'll pay for Drew's time
[13:26] to assess the leans. We think our
process is very efficient because Drew
[13:32] knows that we are doing all the
necessary notifications as required by
[13:37] law. So when it's time to file a lean,
he knows our process and that we've gone
[13:42] through the step, but he will be the
attorney that files the lean. And then
[13:46] when we get to the point that we're
going to foreclode on the leans, Drew
[13:50] will be the one that we do through that
process. His billable rate is getting up
[13:55] there. around 320 an hour. Uh, but I'm
willing to pay good money for a
[14:02] municipal attorney that's going to get
something done. And so if you check with
[14:06] some of the communities that we work
with, I think you'll hear that he's very
[14:10] efficient and effective. I don't know if
you're a city attorney in the room. I
[14:14] don't know if there's any lawyers in the
room. Uh, one of the biggest
[14:18] frustrations the working for the
development district and doing dudes
[14:21] with abatement and then um just trying
to work on dangerous buildings in
[14:26] general. A big roadblock I often run
into with the municipal attorney the
[14:31] local attorney. They don't specialize
municipal law. They're pretty busy
[14:36] anyway or you know seven times out of 10
they have to conflict out because they
[14:41] have some connection to the property
owner. So we think it clears up a lot of
[14:46] issues just to bring a lawyer with us.
Our lawyer will travel but we don't want
[14:52] to go around your attorney. So if your
attorney doesn't like the program then
[14:58] we don't want to do it because your at
your appointed attorney attorney needs
[15:04] to be a partner. We don't want them to
be somebody that we're working against.
[15:07] We tried that in the community and that
was real painful.
[15:13] So,
uh, which direction do we want to know?
[15:17] What questions might do we want to go?
What questions might you have? I think
[15:22] just to start off with, I want to
clarify. You said the 6500 is due
[15:26] quarterly and not annually. Did I hear
that right?
[15:31] » Yeah, quarterly. So, the first quarterly
payment is due when we execute the
[15:36] contract and then every quarter after
that.
[15:40] » Okay. quarter of CC500.
It's build quarterly.
[15:45] » Oh, so the 6500 is the annual rate, but
it's build quarterly.
[15:49] » Yes.
>> Oh, okay. Cuz I understood that. But
[15:51] during the first meeting that you guys
said, so then I sold it as that. And
[15:56] then tonight as you spoke, I was worried
it was 6,500
[15:59] » instead of being 28,000
>> for Yeah. for to be a total of a lot
[16:04] more than 6,500 annually. So, thank you
for that clarification. So,
[16:09] » split total.
>> No, that that's okay. Thank you. That
[16:13] that helps a lot with that
clarification. And then the next
[16:16] question that that came to mind the more
that I thought about it after uh the
[16:20] initial presentation that I witnessed
through our land bank meeting um was as
[16:25] you assess the fines
um to residential and business
[16:30] properties, how are those fines
processed? Are those fines that you guys
[16:35] retain and use to help you uh make more
process with more uh more properties or
[16:41] do those fees and fines go to the city?
So the payment the check would be made
[16:47] out to the city. They can pay it direct
to you or they can mail it to us and
[16:54] then we would record in our database but
then immediately put in the mail to you
[16:58] guys. If they do pay it to you directly
then we would just asked if you could uh
[17:04] send us a a scan of the payment method
or something just so we can uh record
[17:10] that. But all payments would be going
through
[17:12] » okay
>> to you.
[17:14] » Okay. I again this we're super excited
about this and this all sounds extremely
[17:20] wonderful and I'm still looking for the
part that I'm not thinking of. So my
[17:24] apologies for being hesitant or
um feeling like this feels like the
[17:29] perfect answer to something that we've
been looking for for quite some time.
[17:32] and and how unusual that we could afford
it. Um but yeah, that was one thing I
[17:36] thought, well, maybe they get to keep
the fees. Maybe that's why it's so
[17:39] affordable. So, thank you for the
clarification on that.
[17:43] I
>> have a question. So, how do you um do
[17:46] the first goound of I mean, you can't
get every vacant property all at one
[17:51] time. Do you do it by sections of the
city? Are you looking for us to give
[17:56] direction on that or do you come in
of all the properties in the city and
[18:02] make a list.
[18:06] » We start with your list of inactive
accounts. So your residential utility
[18:14] accounts and your commercial utility
accounts that have been inactive for a
[18:19] long time that that's where we start. So
in the beginning when I was very
[18:25] conservative
if your utilities were on you didn't
[18:29] have to be on the registry. We have
since changed that you need more than
[18:33] just your utilities on to be off the
registry but most people turns out not
[18:39] all people in a grass but most people do
not occupy a house if there's no running
[18:44] water electricity. So that's what we
start with and then Doug will come to
[18:51] Crawford and sit down with the clerk and
whoever else and discuss the
[18:55] circumstances of each property. For
instance, if the owner of the vacant
[19:00] property is right next door,
uh not really worth fighting over, we
[19:04] would just like to have them replat or
something. Um maybe the appears vacant
[19:10] because the utility, but there's some
other circumstance or maybe after you
[19:14] visit with Doug, other properties will
come to mind. Um another decision we
[19:20] made in
had like has more than 50. Uh we are
[19:25] doing 10 at a time. So it's up to you.
We don't we're not going to section the
[19:30] town off. I feel like I would like you
to start with the lowest hanging fruit.
[19:34] Like the properties that everybody in
the community knows has been empty for a
[19:40] long time and it's sort of like a morale
killer. And a lot of like local owners
[19:47] will usually get off the registry right
away and maybe they just haven't
[19:50] realized how hard that is on the
community to leave a property vacant.
[19:55] But owners like where the owners are,
we've had situations, we've had the most
[19:59] success or I think where we have proven
that we are needed the most. The owner
[20:04] is deceased and no next kid has any
interest. The owner has is mentally ill.
[20:11] We found an owner in a homeless shelter
one time that just drove away from his
[20:15] house. Uh the owner is in prison. Um
maybe it's a landlord that can't afford
[20:22] to fix a house back up. So those
circumstances where you know the land
[20:26] owners are long gone, the property
owners are long gone or
[20:31] they don't they just don't have the
means to do something with the house
[20:35] because once we assess a lean now we
have a financial interest in the
[20:39] property and now we have a lot more
power to make something happen.
[20:46] That was a long answer, but but
basically I think I answered it. I think
[20:50] I answered your question.
>> So, we have some
[20:54] Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> No, no, it's it's up to you guys's
[20:58] discretion.
As far you don't have to do the whole
[21:01] town at
>> we have some properties that are
[21:05] actively on sale and I see on your
guys's list um as long as they were
[21:09] being sold and long as it didn't
circumvent a certain amount that then
[21:13] they would be off of it. A lot of these
properties are overpriced. How do we go
[21:19] about putting the pressure on these? And
they've been been open for some of them
[21:24] as long as five, six, seven years
on the commercial side. I'm looking at
[21:29] which is what I'm looking at.
>> So the the law said that if a property
[21:35] is listed for sale, it cannot go on to
the registry. Our ordinance, the law
[21:41] does not, but our ordinance, we took the
liberty of defining what for sale mean.
[21:47] And so we say that it has to be listed
in active listing with an agent. But I
[21:52] need to be able to Google the property
online and find it. And then it cannot
[21:56] the purchase price. It cannot be
advertised as more than 125% of its
[22:01] assessed value. We have not been
challenged on that.
[22:05] » We defined that on our own, but that's
that's the rule we've been sticking to
[22:10] and so far so good with that.
>> How is your taxes assessed this last
[22:15] year?
>> Well, you know what? We're all over the
[22:19] state. So, we're down in Dundy County.
We're up in Cing County, Buffalo County.
[22:24] Fern County is way behind county is
another town, they're way behind on
[22:29] their assessment. Uh Buffalo County is
pretty close to 90% below market rate.
[22:35] So it will depend a little bit on on
higher as their census properties, but
[22:41] still sticking with 125% of the test
value.
[22:45] » Many of our properties have been um we
just had our assessment go through this
[22:48] year and they've doubled on some of
these. So I was just curious.
[22:54] » Yeah.
You know, I get the yellow postcard from
[22:58] the assessor and they're like, "Oh, your
house is nice. Your taxes are going up."
[23:01] And I'm like, "Screw you." Like, next
year, "Oh, you're not so nice." Yeah,
[23:07] » your taxes are going down. I'm still
like, "Screw you." So, uh, not helpful.
[23:12] I know that's not helpful. That's how I
feel about property tax assessments.
[23:16] » So, once we decide to go forward, if we
decide to go forward, how long um we
[23:20] need to give you a listing then or sit
down with Doug and get a listing? How
[23:24] soon can you get started on this? How
long will it take to get started? Are we
[23:29] looking this summer? Are we looking next
year?
[23:33] » First thing First thing, if you sign a
contract, because I don't want to sound
[23:37] like a jerk, but I don't want to work
for free. You sign a contract first.
[23:41] Once you sign the contract, then when
you're when you get the list together,
[23:46] then we will get up to Coftton and get
it going. So, um,
[23:52] » or not.
away.
[23:55] » Huh?
>> We're not Croftton. It's Crawford.
[23:57] Croftton and Crawford are two different
spots.
[24:01] » I'm so sorry. Crawford, too. So, if I
call you Croftton, I mean Frosters.
[24:08] » I know you're a long way. I know you're
handle. I know you're clear the hell up
[24:12] there. Both of you are kind of close to
South Dakota in my defense, but uh you
[24:19] know, I know you shouldn't do that. I
know you shouldn't mix up town, but I
[24:22] did the founders of the state to get a
little more bit creative when they're
[24:26] naming all these all these communities.
I may I may call you Clarkson too and I
[24:31] apologize for that but I know you're
Crawford. Awesome. Um, another thing
[24:37] that had come to mind u the more I
thought about this and and setting it up
[24:42] and and how how we determine which
properties are appropriate to be on this
[24:48] registry and how we how we determine
which ones qualify. Um, I'm not I'm not
[24:54] sure how many communities you've run
across that have an RTS or a ready to
[24:58] serve uh fee. So, a property in our
community doesn't have to have a
[25:04] building on it, but if they have water
services up to their property, then they
[25:09] pay a ready to serve fee monthly. So,
that is it's a different utility than
[25:14] just the regular utility of serving
water and sewer. So, I I'm not sure if
[25:19] you guys have come across that yet or
how that impacts assessing whether a
[25:24] property is vacant or or or how we
assess um to put it on the registry
[25:31] because there will be properties that
that have vacant lots on them that have
[25:36] a ready to serve. Many of them that are
problem properties don't pay that ready
[25:40] to serve. So that's part of the problem.
Um, but there are some that are vacant
[25:45] that are paid.
[25:49] Vacant lots or vacant houses? Both.
So, the vacant lot, Newman Grove does
[25:56] that, too. If a if the service runs by
your lot, you have to pay for the
[26:01] service. Um, if it's a vacant lot, it's
never going to come up for us. It's not
[26:06] going to be an issue.
>> Correct. If they're paying that base
[26:08] rate, if they're paying the ready to
third, but it's a vacant house, then we
[26:13] can still put it on to the registry.
>> Okay.
[26:16] » It has to be it has to be residential or
a commercial building. Correct. It can't
[26:21] just be a lot. I mean, lot
>> empty lots are not don't need to be on
[26:26] the registry.
>> Right. Okay.
[26:28] » Right. Yes. And these are buildings like
when I think about it, these are
[26:31] buildings that were built to be
occupied. So, brain bed, no. That's not,
[26:36] you know, a metal machine shed, probably
not. But like a a downtown business, a
[26:43] retail business, a commercial business
by utilities. Um, a lot of times we get,
[26:49] well, it's not vacant, it's storage.
Well, if it wasn't built to be a cold
[26:53] storage facility, then I'm not I'm not
I'm not buying that. I'm not doing that.
[27:00] » Thank you, Bobby, for continu.
I said, "Thank you, Bobby, for
[27:05] continuing to say the right things."
[27:09] I'm telling you, I thought about I
thought about it a lot before I became I
[27:15] had nothing to do with passing the law,
but once it was passed, I was very I was
[27:20] like, "Let's go."
And we I will tell you, we've made a
[27:25] we've cut our teeth. We have learned
some lessons along the way. There's
[27:29] probably still lessons that he learned
in Broford. There's probably the
[27:33] exciting circumstances that you have
that we never would have thought of. Uh,
[27:38] but we're just we're plugging away. I
keep it I keep the price low. I keep it
[27:43] affordable because coming from well, not
really western Nebraska compared to you
[27:48] guys coming from central Nebraska, but
being raised by a Sand Hills rancher, I
[27:54] understand and respect private property
rights. And I also know how quickly this
[28:02] program can be misunderstood. And so I I
probably care about this program the
[28:08] most out of all the services we offer.
But I keep the price low because if uh
[28:15] if something happens and you decide you
don't want to do it anymore, I don't
[28:18] want you to be such a big client that I
have to pressure you into it. Otherwise,
[28:21] I'm going to lose too much money on you.
>> Sure.
[28:25] Well,
>> I want to keep the pride and love as
[28:27] possible.
>> Right. Well, thank you for loving it
[28:30] enough that this program even exists
because there's I know we're not the
[28:33] only rural community where maintaining
and and adding additional workloads to
[28:39] our very small already um employee base
is is even an option. Um so we we
[28:46] certainly appreciate that people like
you care enough about rural rural
[28:49] Nebraska America to create these kind of
programs and these and offer these
[28:53] services. So, thank you.
>> Can you tell us thank you for your
[28:58] interest?
>> Can you tell us some success stories
[29:02] » that you've had in in Nebraska?
[29:08] » Oh, yeah. Uh, I'm going to tell you my
favorite and then Doug, you can tell
[29:13] your favorite. I'll be thinking about
it, Doug. My favorite is acknowled
[29:30] right now talking to you guys.
Sorry about that. I'm also a real
[29:36] person. I'm not like a consultant. I'm
like a consultant makes it sound like I
[29:41] have my best way more together than I
do. Anyway, my favorite. My favorite
[29:47] story is the Rapone Nebraska. And mind
you, we do a lot more for Rapo. So, we
[29:52] were prepared, but it was an icky house
a block off of Main Street. So, Highway
[29:57] 283, go through Rapo on your way to
Kansas, hole in the foundation. Uh,
[30:03] somebody had bought it with the best
intention, then fell in love and Norton.
[30:08] Um, we put on the registry. We kept
doing the lean. She kept ignoring it. We
[30:13] the leans went up to7500. He called me
owner called me one day asked the will
[30:18] and asked what it was going to take to
get rid of the $7,500 lean. And I asked
[30:23] if he'd sign the property over to the
CRA in Arapaho. And he did. And so we
[30:28] ended up with this nice corner lot with
this icky house. And really the only
[30:33] cost that we had in it was RC for
setting up the registry. So he found the
[30:38] property over. We waved the $7,500 lean.
At the same time,
[30:43] uh Shannon, it's her name. She started
baking. She's a farm wife, ranching
[30:48] wife, started baking out of her kitchen.
Wanted to grow her baking business. It's
[30:53] called Taken. T A K I N. Taking care of
business if you want to look her up. She
[30:59] was looking for somewhere to put in a
commercial kitchen so she could stop
[31:03] being cottage industry and start to sell
her baked goods wholesale. Uh could not
[31:08] find a commercial kitchen that she could
afford to buy in the area. So, we have
[31:13] this nice corner lot, not nice corner
lot, we have the torn lot with icky
[31:17] house. She and the CRA made a deal. So,
the CRA sold over the lot for $1,000.
[31:24] She waved her right to tip, tax
increment financing. The CRA paid $1,000
[31:32] and demolished the house and cleared the
lot for her. She didn't pay the $11,000.
[31:39] Said $1,000 to the lot. After they paid
the $11,000 and the lot, sold it for her
[31:45] for a,000. The part of the deal was she
was going to have to put a commercial
[31:50] building on there within a year, which
she did. So, um, where he sat on the
[31:58] corner lot in Arapjo, there's now a
bakery called Taking Tear Business where
[32:04] she does I don't know if you guys ever
got a backed um convenience store, but
[32:09] she's in the process of getting her
products into Fat Dogs. But um instead
[32:15] of having this little house that just
makes you feel depressed when you look
[32:19] at it in the drain in the community,
that house is gone. A new commercial
[32:23] bakery is there with a little venue
attached to it. And that's probably my
[32:29] favorite story so far. Okay, Doug, you
tell them yours.
[32:35] Well, my favorite one would be uh in
Hampton. Um there's this there's this uh
[32:42] old commercial property in downtown
Hampton that uh was changing hands
[32:48] between various LLC's and estates and uh
so through the vacant property registry
[32:54] and then also surveillance work on the
on the title uh this this commercial
[33:03] property ended up in the hands of a
local a local owner who who who started
[33:09] a restaurant there and and and so that's
the loading shoot there in Hampton. And
[33:15] so every time I go over to to Hampton
every quarter to do their update, uh
[33:21] swing through Hampton and have some
delicious food. I know it's not direct,
[33:27] but it's indirectly somewhat the fruit
of my labor um to eat there at the shoot
[33:34] uh in I think they even won a like a
restaurant tournament in Nebraska a
[33:40] couple years ago in in uh in their food
quality.
[33:46] current NFJ
is this call.
[33:51] Awesome.
>> Well, we're we're running into our
[33:54] meeting time, but I don't know if
anybody does anybody else have any other
[33:57] questions. I'll open up to the public
just really quick just in case somebody
[34:00] has something that we haven't maybe
covered. Does anybody have a question
[34:03] that they'd like to present to Bobby or
Doug that we can squeeze in really
[34:06] quick?
[34:11] » Well, I think you guys did a wonderful
job explaining everything. I'm sure we
[34:14] might come up with a couple other
questions, but um we'll be in touch.
[34:19] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> Sounds good.
[34:21] » Thank you so much.
>> Thank you for letting me present to the
[34:24] city of
[34:56] All right, we'll go ahead and take a
motion for adjournment for a special
[35:00] session
[35:03] Dean and a second.
[35:07] Roll call.
[35:19] » Thank you. Ajourn 607. Thank you. Move
on to the go the regular council
[35:25] meeting.
[35:28] Go ahead and call to order
>> and roll call, please. Okay.
[35:33] » Yes.
>> Grant.
[35:35] » Yes. Dean,
>> yes.
[35:41] Thank you. We have quite a few more. So,
we'll go ahead and proceed with
[35:44] everything. We'll observe a moment of
silence, please.
[36:13] Thank you. Please join me for the pledge
of allegiance.
[36:22] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[36:27] republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible with liberty and
[36:33] justice for all.
>> Thank you. There's a copy of the open
[36:38] meetings act that is posted in the
entryway of the Crawford Public Library.
[36:43] is also available in pamphlet form. And
if you follow the link on our agenda,
[36:53] we'll go ahead and start with our
consent agenda this evening. We've got
[36:56] quite a few listed, so be patient with
me to read through them. A, approve the
[37:00] March 10th, 2026 and March 24th, 2026
regular meeting minutes. B. approved the
[37:06] SDL at the rodeo building at 16 Main for
the annual Old West Trail Rodeo
[37:10] fundraiser 3 p.m. on April 25th of 2026
to 1:00 a.m. on April 26th of 2026.
[37:18] C. Approve FA Hughes uh Be Hughes
resignation letter from the golf board.
[37:24] D. Approve advertising for a golf board
member. E approve adjusting Missy
[37:29] Super's wage from $20 per hour to $1850
per hour and raising Gina Lemons from
[37:34] $15 per hour to $1650 per hour per
recommendation of the golf board. F
[37:40] approved golf board recommend
recommended hire for clubhouse nap at
[37:45] $15 per hour. G approved planning
commission approved building permits and
[37:50] warranty deed for the following. Ansley
Ericson at 503 Annen Street for a wood
[37:55] fence and a warranty deed between Joshua
Fleming and Christopher Tumi. H approved
[38:01] deed for cemetery spaces block four, lot
four and spaces 1 through five for Tom
[38:06] Bow. I approve park board approved
location for a 4ft square pad and flag
[38:12] dropbox for the American Legion. J.
approved park board recommend
[38:17] recommended hires for seasonal park and
cemetery including Hazel Sims seasonal
[38:22] full-time $15 per hour retroactive to a
start date of 4828.
[38:28] Uh Ian Anderson seasonal part-time one
to two days a week at $15 per hour.
[38:34] Cameron Werenberger, David Vanderpook,
and Mason Haran on call for occasional
[38:39] work if budget allows if they are
available for a fee of $15 per hour. Do
[38:45] I have a motion for the consent agenda?
>> To approve the agenda.
[38:53] » Thank you from and a second from
[39:00] » Thank you.
[39:11] Didn't we put the presentation? Oh, she
has to talk new business. Okay. Just say
[39:16] I think did we have to move that to the
beginning
[39:20] » the presentation of the pla? Did we need
to do that?
[39:25] » Right.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[39:29] » I think we plan on doing that right
away. That way Yeah. That way you guys
[39:32] had had some time. So I'm going to go
ahead and move um item number 11. It's
[39:37] under new business. It's a presentation
by David
[39:39] » Cleave.
Levy. Okay. Thank you. To the mayor,
[39:44] city council, and law enforcement
representative of two plaques
[39:47] recognizing officers who died in the
line of duty in Crawford.
[39:58] Basically,
let me give you a little background. My
[40:02] name is David.
Started off police department chair when
[40:07] I was 28. Ended up running three terms
and then
[40:12] did not recommend him and become a
school teacher and stuff. And in my
[40:16] research, I ended up finding about how
many law enforcement officers have been
[40:22] killed in the state of Nebraska. And so
we I started a book called tour duty and
[40:28] watch every cop killed to honor them at
Grand Island and nationally if we could.
[40:35] And we've been doing that. And what I'm
going to read tonight is actually what
[40:41] is on Grand Island Law Enforcement
Memorial and a little bit different than
[40:48] the lady. I know where Cass
appreciate that.
[40:53] » A little side note,
one of the second interview I ever did
[40:58] in my life was at Crawford State Park. I
came and joined a family reunion of the
[41:05] Saxon family when I was dating my wife
to be and I think they interviewed me to
[41:11] find out where I was coming from. I want
to tell you personally and I talked
[41:17] about Crawford being very very special
place and you should be commended what
[41:22] you've done over the years and will
continue to do. Uh we started that was
[41:27] in 1965 or 66
already been having family re
[41:32] So we have been currently having family
reunions in your park for probably 60 or
[41:39] 70 years and we come down to all the
parades.
[41:44] I've been in a couple of parades in my
fighting thing and we do that. We also
[41:50] come back Memorial Day and we are
probably even more consistent coming
[41:55] back Memorial Day because our family, my
wife's family all started in this area
[42:01] with some of the earliest people. So
it's an honor for me.
[42:12] So,
with that said, I'd love to read this to
[42:17] you so everybody understands what's
going on. These are old
[42:22] uh incidents because I felt my wife felt
that a lot of these people were not
[42:28] being recognized. The first one is
Marshall Arthur A. Moss, Crawford,
[42:32] Nebraska, end of Watts, May 13, 1906.
Crawford Marshall Arthur A. Moss died
[42:40] from a gunshot wound.
7:30 on Sunday May 13th 1906 Marshall M
[42:46] was attempting to disperse a group of
soldiers in the drinking bear and began
[42:50] to create a disturbance when he stepped
into the area while the soldiers threw
[42:56] his revolver and shot it. He died a
short time later fled and was later
[43:02] captured. He was found guilt and seven
years in state for manslaughter. He was
[43:08] actually 31 years old. He's very lucky
because a lot of the people I read about
[43:14] that area, the model go get the killer
out of jail
[43:19] and so he was probably very that is the
first one
[43:29] and the second one happened in 1955.
Chief of police Charles
[43:40] Prophet Chief of Police Charles Esry
delighted the result of a heart attack
[43:45] following the call and arrested the
American.
[43:54] When this family called for tear gas
canister gas arrived, he decided to
[44:00] throw it through a basement window. By
doing this, the suspect fire
[44:05] was a woman that suffered a heart attack
following the attack on his wife that
[44:10] soon was 62 years old and survived by
his wife and two children and I think
[44:16] when I do my story that's probably the
hardest thing is survived by wife and
[44:22] children
and ended their life and these
[44:25] individuals gave everything for law
enforcement in this town and the town
[44:31] state
and it's pretty impressive
[44:35] they would get that. And so we'd be
honored to honor them today.
[44:47] » There you go. Thank you.
[44:56] » Well, thank you so much for contacting
us and and bringing this to our
[45:00] attention and helping us uh remember
these individuals that have served our
[45:04] community. That means a lot to me.
[45:14] » That's so thoughtful.
>> Thank you so much.
[45:31] » Um
I think might this is all very soon that
[45:36] we've been notified of it. This will
happen fairly quick.
[45:44] » So family
we we're in the middle of considering
[45:48] where we're going to we're hoping to
move the sheriff's office so it might
[45:51] come to fruition or it might be in a
great place where it can be somewhere
[45:55] where they're at and where the public
can come see it.
[45:59] » We'll let you know.
Awesome.
[46:04] Well, thank you. All right, we'll go
ahead and move back. We'll start with
[46:07] our reports. So, if we can start with
reports from park and cemetery, please.
[46:18] » So, I'm going to uh defer a little bit
to our wonderful park employee because
[46:23] everybody keeps saying the best park in
the world.
[46:27] » It's true.
So that that creates a little bit of
[46:31] problems for us as a as a board because
we we know we have such a great resource
[46:38] and and he does a great job, but he
can't do it all by himself. So we spent
[46:42] a bunch of time um this this last two
meetings actually thinking about who and
[46:47] how much can we pay people to do stuff.
And so we've really I wore out to win
[46:52] seriously because I know that Miss Harry
is going to be looking over her shoulder
[46:56] and and this is the first year of my
tenure in the park board that I think I
[47:03] really get the budget. I mean it was it
was a series of numbers that I had no
[47:08] input on a year ago. I could be I have
no relationship to those. So with your
[47:13] help in us helping us understand what we
have we really tried to
[47:19] And and then we had better than we
expected applicants.
[47:25] Wow, that's great. We had three young
people in in high school. We have and we
[47:31] had two people that uh had an ability to
work a little bit longer. And so we
[47:36] wanted to be able to kind of play with
the numbers and everything. So I we
[47:40] asked for uh actually Kevin was really
excited about Hazel uh since coming on.
[47:45] She's got good experience and then um
has an ability to work for a long period
[47:49] of time. So, and then we're probably
going to go back with Ian because he can
[47:54] work one or two days a week. Doesn't
bother and that's great. I did talk with
[47:59] all the kids and they would work
part-time. I mean, as a we got a day
[48:04] when like the cemetery, we got the
crosses to go in. Is that right? From
[48:08] John Jones's class. So, that's going to
be a day to put up a bunch of crosses.
[48:13] So that's the kind of things that I
think that as Kevin works to manage the
[48:16] the opportunities we've got with people
plus I think we talked about volunteers
[48:21] as well. So there's a lot going on and
the park board is really
[48:28] I hesitated to uh to push a little bit
on the budget but again in April and
[48:34] she's been very honest with us that
there is no more budget to work with. So
[48:39] we're going to pencil with Terry every
period, I think, and to watch that. I've
[48:44] asked Kevin to be watchful for the hours
that we're we're um expecting the people
[48:49] to work in so that we keep on track for
you and everybody in our city. Um I will
[48:57] say that we did talk a couple other
things. So, Crawford Serving Humanities
[49:02] is um interested in donating some
lighting at the ball fields for
[49:08] especially for um the um September event
and uh Roger contacted us. He is they
[49:15] are planning to purchase and install
two 60,000
[49:21] water lumen LED flood lights for the
ball field. And they would be in use for
[49:27] them, but will leave them for us to be
able to use. They are uh you can move
[49:32] them. So, and there's a light switch at
the bottom of the pole. Looks like
[49:36] they'll be on first and third base is
what they looked at. Um they'll be
[49:41] adjustable and that 40 to 50 foot high
is where they'll be now. He said that's
[49:45] a lot of lumens and sometimes people
complain about the light, but you can
[49:50] turn them off. So, they will also have a
um dawn to dusk flood light for the new
[49:56] flag pole that's going in out there as
well.
[50:00] » And when we were looking at um the the
lights that don't work, we asked them if
[50:06] they could squeeze in their budget the
bulbs to replace on those lights that
[50:11] are not work currently working. We
talked with Jared have Kevin called
[50:16] Jared and so he's he said, you know, I
just haven't had time to get out and
[50:19] look at the and stuff. It's probably
okay to go ahead and put those bulbs in.
[50:25] So, no cost to you guys. Think we'll get
those lighting pieces put together. I'm
[50:30] really excited about that. So, more
stuff to uh add to our beautiful city.
[50:37] Questions?
[50:41] » Well, thank you, Jeff. That's wonderful
to hear you guys working with others and
[50:45] getting those donations to to come into
the city where we can help them and let
[50:49] them So we appreciate it
library.
[51:01] So
March marked a fair weather uptick in
[51:06] library numbers and usage. We had 501
patrones and visits. We had 45 computer
[51:13] lab uses 30 prior month. circulated 352
materials in the library to include 60
[51:21] DVDs,
136 ebooks and audio books and 23
[51:28] digital audio materials.
Uh upcoming events that we have well the
[51:34] library has an event kind of coming up
this Thursday. We're actually closing
[51:39] early at 4 o'lock Thursdays because one
we were nominated as the attraction of
[51:46] the year at the discover
Nebraska chest of the Northwest event.
[51:52] So, we're going to have a booth at that
event
[51:55] participate in their activities that
evening, but will be otherwise open from
[51:59] noon to 400 p.m. that day.
The next event for patrons will be April
[52:06] 21st at 5:00 here at the library. It's
trivia night. The theme will be
[52:11] folklore.
So we're excited for that as well.
[52:15] Crochet knitting club continues on April
24th at 1:30. Reading group will be on
[52:21] May 1st. It's usually the first Friday
of the of the month. So May 1st is going
[52:26] to be
Mayday. The friends of the library's
[52:31] next meeting will be May 5th at 12 and
the next board meeting will be May 11th
[52:36] at 12 p.m. as well.
more topical things. So, I've mentioned
[52:42] before that the library was awarded an
internship grant from the Nebraska
[52:47] Library Commission. And just to give
everybody a refresher on what that
[52:52] entails, it's really meant to open up
librarianship as a possible career path
[52:58] for young people, specifically geared to
high school and college students. And it
[53:04] gives them a place where they can have
real world hands-on experience with that
[53:08] kind of stuff. It's also
next to help during one of our busiest
[53:13] times of the year which is reading
program. So the internship will last
[53:17] from June 1st to July 31st but
applications and flyers have been shared
[53:24] with local high schools the college
online various places and there's
[53:30] applications that are available here at
the library or on our website. So, if
[53:34] you have any questions about that or
know someone who might send my very
[53:38] happy about it,
[53:42] a fun update on the library's AC
situation. So, when I last spoke to the
[53:48] council, I said that I would look into
quotes options for what that cost would
[53:54] be and where we might be able to have it
done. And I got three quotes back from
[53:59] MPC being cooling
mechanical and
[54:05] homes home heating cooling. So I got
those three quotes back. They ranged
[54:10] from 5900 to 48.50
And I presented that to our friends
[54:15] group actually and they agreed to pay
the full cost of the replacement of the
[54:20] equipment and we collectively decided to
go with the home's home quote which was
[54:26] 4850 not just because it was the lowest
quote but also it had twice the warranty
[54:32] of either of the other quotes. So the
other two had a 5year parts warranty and
[54:39] one year the other had a 10year parts
warranty
[54:44] warranty. So um a great shout out
gratitude friends for assisting in such
[54:51] an important aspect of library operation
on to services development. Just to give
[54:58] you guys an update on the new library
management system that we got and the
[55:02] new They're awesome. They're working
wonderfully. They have really smooth
[55:07] transition periods. Um, all the vendors
that we've been working with are
[55:11] wonderful, very helpful. Um, and patrons
have been responding immediately
[55:17] positively between quality of both
services and all the new features that
[55:23] they have to as well.
At this point in the fiscal year, we
[55:28] actually have also earned enough print
proceeds to cover the remainder of for
[55:33] this year. So everything after this is
[55:40] I do intend because there are so many
new features that just haven't been
[55:44] available before. I do intend to create
video content YouTube videos that can be
[55:49] linked to the library's website and our
Facebook and our YouTube channel of
[55:53] course that explain how to make take
advantage of these new features from
[55:58] home your phones that sort of thing. So
more Plenty more to come on that later.
[56:06] Regarding collection development,
there's been a lot of new exciting
[56:10] placement and arrangement projects
happening in the library. We're trying
[56:13] to develop sections and better ways
people can find things. The recent most
[56:18] section being developed is a dedicated
large print section.
[56:23] So between that
our new display style for our section
[56:29] and then
revamp early reader engine reader
[56:34] chapter section as well.
And lastly for program development um so
[56:41] the cultivate you was a program that I
was trying to introduce this year as a
[56:45] personal and professional development
series due to a lack of response from
[56:49] possible presenters and attendees. I'm
gonna kind of put a stopper on that
[56:54] program as a regular program for now. I
still really am invested in the concept.
[57:00] So I'll be continuing to reach out to
possible presenters and just taking them
[57:03] up when they're available rather than
having a set series. So that one is
[57:10] continuing to adapt and evolve and
develop. The other history talk series
[57:14] on the other hand is in its final stages
of preparation. So this is usually a
[57:21] global history oriented series that
takes place either sometimes spring
[57:26] usually and this spring is going to be a
late spring walking tour like the
[57:31] architecture history of Crawford
especially downtown. So the tentative
[57:37] date we set turns out May 17th at 2 p.m.
which is a Sunday and then if the
[57:43] weather's not with us we plan for the
following Sunday at the same time. So
[57:48] we're very excited about that program.
That's one of the most
[57:51] requested and popular events. And
lastly, the summer reading program theme
[57:58] this year will be unear a story with the
national theme as well. So that will
[58:04] orient itself around
[58:08] geoscience and that kind of stuff. So
dinosaurs, cool minerals and what a
[58:13] perfect theme for us here at this point
in the country.
[58:18] Most of the programs I'm just making
final arrangements and touches. Uh but
[58:24] I've streamlined it based on prior
experience to be really impactful and
[58:30] potent while considering my anticipated
capacity by that time and the presence
[58:35] of an intern for the duration of it. So
unless there are any questions for me
[58:40] that is my
[58:43] » Thank you Ashley. Congratulations on
Thursday's announcement and thank you to
[58:46] your friends. Thank you.
We'll go ahead and move on to ordinances
[58:51] and resolutions. Number six, discuss
approved disapproved resolution 2026-08
[58:57] regarding the completed survey of the
cemetery's new addition as prepared by
[59:01] handhandle land surveying.
This is just something that we need to
[59:06] accept as a final.
>> I guess
[59:11] it's been completed. So if I have a
motion for that,
[59:16] right? Sure. I'm sorry.
>> So, are they going to be pulling flags
[59:19] out there? Are they done or
>> heard they still had a few more rebar to
[59:27] put into the ground?
[59:37] » They said they come back and do those
few that were left, but other than that,
[59:41] I understood they were pretty much done.
>> Okay. Well, if they're done, we're
[59:44] pulling our flags, but if they're not,
[59:52] I'm serious.
[59:58] » I I'll call.
[1:00:05] » All right. Do I have a motion to
approve?
[1:00:14] » And do I have a second?
[1:00:19] Second.
>> Okay.
[1:00:24] » Thank you. We'll move on to number
seven. Discuss approved, disapprove,
[1:00:27] passage, and adoption of resolution
2026-06
[1:00:30] that allows for the collection of
delinquent water rental, sewer rental,
[1:00:34] and use charges to be assessed against
the real estate as a special assessment
[1:00:38] on the following property. Block 16, lot
six, addition pal. Do I have a motion?
[1:00:45] Motion to approve 2026-06.
>> I have a second.
[1:00:50] » Thank you Dean and from Dean.
>> Yes.
[1:00:55] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:00:57] » Thank you. Have a couple of these the
same here. Eight. Discuss approved
[1:01:01] disapproved passage and adoption of
resolution 2026-07
[1:01:05] that allows for the collection of
delinquent water rental, sewer rental,
[1:01:08] and use charges to be assessed against
the real estate as a special assessment
[1:01:12] on the following property. Block J. Lock
13 addition for spins. Do I have a
[1:01:18] motion?
>> I move that we accept resolution number
[1:01:21] 2026-7.
>> Prom. Do I have a second?
[1:01:25] » Second.
>> Dean and roll call.
[1:01:28] » Yes.
>> Dean.
[1:01:29] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:01:31] » Thank you. Number nine. Discuss
approved, disapproved, passage, and
[1:01:34] adoption of resolution 2026-09
that allows for the collection of
[1:01:39] delinquent water rental, sewer rental,
and use charges to be assessed against
[1:01:43] the real estate as a special assessment
on the following property. Block 21, lot
[1:01:48] 9, addition PTC second. Do I have a
motion?
[1:01:55] » I'll make a motion to approve resolution
2026-09.
[1:02:00] » Thank you, Dean. Do I have a second?
Gaston roll call.
[1:02:05] » Yes.
>> Gaston.
[1:02:06] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:02:08] » Thank you. Number 10. Discuss approved
disapproved passage and adoption of
[1:02:12] resolution 2026-10
that allows for the collection of the
[1:02:15] delinquent water rental sewer rental and
use charges to be assessed against the
[1:02:20] real estate as a special assessment on
the following property. Block J, Lock
[1:02:24] 13, addition wristbins. Do I have a
motion?
[1:02:29] » No, it's a different block.
Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:02:39] » We'll have to
say need some more specific.
[1:02:48] » Thank you for that that catch.
It is
[1:02:58] 10.
[1:03:04] Yeah, it's a different
>> 39. Okay.
[1:03:11] » So, it's still
>> You want to
[1:03:13] » Yeah.
>> Is it still
[1:03:17] a
[1:03:21] » I move that we a
[1:03:27] 26
[1:03:30] Block 39, block five and six and block
39 PTC fifth addition to the original
[1:03:36] propert.
>> Thank you Dean and roll call.
[1:03:43] » Yes.
>> Dean.
[1:03:44] » Yes.
>> Yes. Thank you for the assistance there.
[1:03:48] All right. Number 12. Discuss. Approve.
Disapproved. Request.
[1:03:55] » Oh, as amended. Okay. I'll make that
motion as amended.
[1:03:59] » As amended. Okay.
[1:04:04] » I'll second it.
>> Thank you.
[1:04:07] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:04:13] » All right. I do two motions on that.
[1:04:22] » Resolution.
>> Okay. Thank you for the question.
[1:04:27] » All right. Well,
>> yes, thank you. Also, we would have got
[1:04:31] that. Um, we already completed number
11, so we will move down to 12 and under
[1:04:37] new business. Discuss, approve,
disapprove the request for utility bill
[1:04:41] consolidation for the following
locations, 412, 420, 424, and 428 on
[1:04:47] Second Street, which is also commonly
known as the Arcade Building. A
[1:04:51] presentation by Patricia Province.
I make a motion we approve the bill
[1:04:58] consolidation for the church provincial.
[1:05:27] So, um, this is just kind of a, um, a
letter and I'm going to read part of it
[1:05:33] because I'm not a great public speaker,
but anyway. So, yes, my husband and I
[1:05:37] own, um, what is known as the arcade
building at, um, lots of 412, 420, 424,
[1:05:43] 428 on Second Street.
since 2023.
[1:05:48] Um it's being been built um under one
building um as a um we would like to
[1:05:55] resume that um it's been yes since the
fall of 2023. So the arcade building
[1:06:01] encompasses 412 420 424 428 and is
currently under active redevelopment as
[1:06:08] a single integrated commercial property.
Since October 2023, the city has
[1:06:14] accommodated us consolidating building
under one account during this renovation
[1:06:19] period. We appreciate this cooperation.
At present, the building is has one
[1:06:24] active um water connection. It has one
bathroom, one sink, and has very limited
[1:06:30] utility usage consistent with a
construction and rehabilitation phase.
[1:06:35] The remaining spaces are not
independently occupied service or
[1:06:38] capable of separate utility demand. Nor
do we anticipate
[1:06:44] renting them out in in in that capacity
book separately like it had been being
[1:06:49] done in the past. That's not our plan.
So for these reasons, we respectfully
[1:06:55] request that the city continue
consolidated utility billing under a
[1:06:59] single account
reflecting the bu the building's
[1:07:03] concurrent use as one redevelopment
project or in the alternative classified
[1:07:08] the building addresses as inactive or
non-active service units during the
[1:07:13] renovation period with reduced or s or
suspended base charges. This is grounded
[1:07:19] in the principle that the utility
building should reasonably correspond to
[1:07:22] actual service delivery and with
infrastructure use rather than
[1:07:27] historically addressing that which does
not reflect current conditions. The
[1:07:32] request is granted. We evaluate formal.
We're going to we're going to evaluate
[1:07:38] and look into formal formal process of
basically consolidating the property
[1:07:43] into one um one address. Um so it's a
long-term redevelopment plan which would
[1:07:52] further align the property with a single
service unit. So we thank I thank you.
[1:07:56] We thank you for
looking into this and considering
[1:08:03] » So you're That's the goal of the
property in the long term is to have one
[1:08:06] address.
>> Yes. And it's not we've never intended
[1:08:10] it to be, you know, as it was like a vet
office, um, you know, commercial
[1:08:17] insurance, things like that. Our vision
is that it will be one, it would be
[1:08:22] center, it' be a place of rest and
restoration, however that healing
[1:08:25] center, whatever. Um, um, we have a lot
of ideas. Um,
[1:08:33] a lot of work. The building was
neglected for two years. Of course, um
[1:08:38] you know, that's our issue. Um we have
um some re we have done reelectrical
[1:08:44] work. We have um
that's mainly what we've done, but we
[1:08:49] have done a lot of demolition. Um the
property needs a lot of work, but we
[1:08:54] have a vision and we're hoping that the
city can continue to
[1:09:00] help us in that way. Keeping under one
one usage.
[1:09:05] » So the county says that is different.
>> Yeah. And and the starting process of
[1:09:10] that would would be with the county. Is
there any reason why they could apply
[1:09:14] for that to be
>> the 911?
[1:09:16] » Right.
>> So is there
[1:09:20] » is there any way they could just apply
for that now?
[1:09:23] » With the county and it's because once
it's approved by the county it's
[1:09:26] recognized by the city.
>> Yeah. Because what I'm thinking we're
[1:09:31] going to run issues with forgiveness
with swan. Um
[1:09:38] I have a meeting later this week,
[1:09:43] » right?
So once you get it rem
[1:09:48] one one building which I'm good with it
makes kind of sense but you got to go
[1:09:55] through proper channels
I' I'd be willing to do a continuence on
[1:10:01] on the agreement that we currently have
>> pending
[1:10:14] two and a half years.
>> Right. Right. So, I'm I'm willing to do
[1:10:18] that
>> thinking that it gets, you know, it gets
[1:10:21] addressed within six months, a year. I
don't we we should we really need to set
[1:10:25] down a set parameter on some of this
stuff. These are going to be issues.
[1:10:29] » Well, right because we've already this
is not this is a redo of what we've
[1:10:33] already set. We gave We gave two years
and then didn't even even I know take it
[1:10:39] away until two and a half. So
>> So we need we need to have this
[1:10:45] » but I guess
[1:10:51] I don't know
about that.
[1:10:58] She is also 911.
[1:11:03] » She's called the office.
[1:11:07] » So she would
[1:11:11] officially recognized as one one back to
one address is what you want.
[1:11:18] » Continuous
up to a year. Maybe you should wait and
[1:11:22] see. Come back.
a timeline.
[1:11:28] » I don't know how long.
[1:11:39] » Give us some time. We'll just continue.
>> Well,
[1:11:43] » well, why would it be unreasonable to
say six months?
[1:11:47] » Oh, to me, no.
[1:11:53] If there's a problem with six months,
you can
[1:12:02] I'm good with it
[1:12:06] for six months
[1:12:11] that
[1:12:19] motion.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:20] » Okay. Thank you.
Second.
[1:12:28] » Oh, yeah.
Roll.
[1:12:35] » 13. Discuss, approve, disapprove
contracting with five rule. Oh, we're
[1:12:39] supposed to remove that, please.
All right. 14. Discuss, approve,
[1:12:44] disapprove selling shares in principal
financial group incorporated. Could you
[1:12:48] help us understand that, Terry?
So, it's
[1:12:55] time
a long time ago.
[1:13:02] before we move to.
>> We had an insurance policy at some point
[1:13:08] that bought shares.
We've been getting offers to buy those
[1:13:14] shares from that company and it's like
$6,000
[1:13:20] and it's
really something we should just my
[1:13:26] suggestion is that we just cash it in
and put it towards you know I mean it's
[1:13:31] it's something that's been out there for
years.
[1:13:37] » So is it interesting is it Yeah, it's
drawing some interest.
[1:13:47] » I think so.
[1:13:51] » I read it as Pokemon, but it's not
[1:13:59] » there's not a ton of interest. Um, and
we don't have a lot of information on
[1:14:04] it. Um, we often will get, you know,
hey, you've earned $140 on it, that kind
[1:14:10] of thing. And then and then we've gotten
this
[1:14:14] » I think they're tired of dealing with
the paperwork of it, too. And of
[1:14:24] » put
[1:14:34] suggest
you'll hear on the treasures report.
[1:14:40] » It could go to me personally, but
[1:14:45] » I suggest park fun.
[1:14:53] » I just
>> that would be some labor.
[1:14:58] » I mean, I suppose if we could do what we
would like with it, it's
[1:15:02] We've, as you'll hear in the treasur
report, we've got the reallocation.
[1:15:08] You could ultimately split it into the
funds that are, you know, and divy it up
[1:15:15] that way. That could be one way we do it
with that
[1:15:22] cash flow.
[1:15:29] » Anyway, that's it's just this hanging
out thing that just shows up once a
[1:15:34] year. And so instead of just
take it, you guys should make that
[1:15:40] decision and decide if you want to just
keep hanging out there.
[1:15:46] » I'm reading this right for
>> it actually cover the first year of that
[1:15:52] program.
[1:15:57] » Our special meeting their annual cost is
6,500.
[1:16:03] So
[1:16:09] » that keeps
[1:16:12] in a hurry to figure out what's going on
because they're only they're only
[1:16:16] offering
two of what they're buying.
[1:16:21] We're getting priced two
offers 500,000 shares. Their offer to
[1:16:27] purchase is 3,6004.
[1:16:31] That's the whole
[1:16:38] » shared
[1:16:56] time.
>> How long has it been in it?
[1:17:02] Are you talking 10 years? You talking
more than 10 years,
[1:17:10] » right?
[1:17:13] » That's I'm making things a lot harder
than they are, but I just I'd like to
[1:17:16] have more information, I guess. So, I'm
okay with it if we can figure out where
[1:17:20] we're going to put it. I don't I just
don't
[1:17:23] » It's from 2012.
>> It would it would pay the first year of
[1:17:27] the of the
[1:17:34] And if you remember, we had some
[1:17:39] great
[1:17:43] » I'm good with it. You can apply it to
that if we decide to do that.
[1:17:52] » Okay.
Do we have enough for a motion?
[1:18:05] that we that we go ahead and cash those
in and use apply that if so
[1:18:13] for um
the revitalization for the
[1:18:20] » vacancy
>> vacancy.
[1:18:23] » Okay. And if that doesn't go through,
>> if it doesn't go through,
[1:18:28] » then
[1:18:38] » All right. So, we have a motion to
approve the selling of the chairs. Do I
[1:18:42] have a second?
[1:18:47] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:18:52] » Number 15. Discuss, approve, disapprove
the presented surplus list from the city
[1:18:59] departments.
[1:19:06] » I guess I would have questions at this
stage of the game. So, we got the list.
[1:19:12] » Some of it can be
taken to a
[1:19:17] place that'll buy it,
that kind of thing. Others of it can
[1:19:24] stuff.
How does this I don't know how
[1:19:29] that we have the list.
>> We surplus it tonight and you decide how
[1:19:33] to sell it.
>> I do.
[1:19:35] » Well, I need the $6,800.
>> You can have you can have an auction
[1:19:42] junk if it's not worth anything.
>> In the past, they've had
[1:19:49] options. You don't have enough
You take bids, seal bids.
[1:19:56] » The county just did seal bids for like
10.
[1:20:01] » Well, I see.
>> But you advertise for city hall. We have
[1:20:04] an old monitor that's broken and six old
phones that are mostly broken.
[1:20:11] » Don't fight over it. That just needs to
[1:20:16] » now
[1:20:23] » the 12 gauge shotgun that we have to
that has to be sold through
[1:20:29] an NFL.
>> Yeah, that's
[1:20:31] » where do we get it?
>> It's left over from the days when we had
[1:20:36] » the police department.
>> Oh,
[1:20:38] » the sheriff's office was tired of
storing it, so they allowed us to
[1:20:47] Correct.
>> We don't we don't allow the ladies to to
[1:20:50] carry in the office. Although maybe they
need to.
[1:20:54] » The first thing I do is do the surplus
tonight and then sit down and figure out
[1:20:58] what if there's stuff that you want to
sell, stuff that you want to dispose of,
[1:21:04] and then come back with the plan.
>> So, this is this is just a general.
[1:21:08] You're just you're not necessarily
approving things that are on the Tonight
[1:21:12] you're you're surplus and everything.
>> So if there's something you don't want
[1:21:15] surplus, we need to remove it now.
>> The helford
[1:21:22] can donate those. I think they museum
already said she
[1:21:28] » Okay, that's already been addressed.
Okay, perfect. That's
[1:21:33] » Oh, you do? Okay.
>> So my question is I think the same
[1:21:40] question that the mayor has
on the 60inch mowers.
[1:21:45] I'm not sure Kevin
[1:21:51] that we want to surplus them just yet.
um for myriad reasons. One being um
[1:22:02] you're using one of them for parts right
now. So, might have to use another parts
[1:22:08] just to keep the third one going.
um
[1:22:13] what we talked about yesterday that
those can be utilized for um um
[1:22:23] » property well not but
>> yeah um so I I don't think that we
[1:22:31] should surplus the mowers just yet
but um yeah I agree they Do weed
[1:22:42] trimmers work? Kevin,
>> I'm sorry. What was the question?
[1:22:46] » The weed trimmers not.
>> There's one that does not work.
[1:22:52] » There was like three of them.
>> Yeah, there's
[1:22:57] brand new.
[1:23:02] » Piece of equipment that were bought that
>> used. Wow.
[1:23:07] » And then there's the 16inch chainsaw.
the steel handheld blower and then the
[1:23:13] Honda trimmer.
>> So all that would be
[1:23:16] » I think I put on their functional or
nonunctional or maybe I didn't
[1:23:22] » and the also um
[1:23:32] » I'm not sure that the dorm fridge
be utilized at city hall.
[1:23:42] if we move them over
they would like one.
[1:23:48] » So these are all pieces of equipment or
items that I have no use for.
[1:23:53] » Sure.
It's up to whoever decides
[1:24:22] it. Don't surplus it.
Take it back.
[1:24:25] » I have a truck that I don't want.
[1:24:29] » I need a hedge trimmer in my office.
[1:24:49] » Actually, it was probably
[1:24:54] How do we acquire a dentist chair?
>> It's one of those departments that got
[1:24:59] cut over time.
[1:25:03] » Well, I I'm okay with most of this other
than than the yard works. I would like
[1:25:09] to address that a little bit.
[1:25:15] » There's no push.
>> Yeah.
[1:25:18] » I would like to
Sure.
[1:25:33] » So, we'll go ahead and take action.
>> Suggestions on how to sell it.
[1:25:47] » Okay, we'll take no action on item 15 at
least. Number 16, discuss approved,
[1:25:52] disapproved annual renewal of HAC
service partnership.
[1:26:07] Why not?
>> Can I ask what those abbreviations mean?
[1:26:14] » Hawk is the company that provides the
equipment. And this equipment
[1:26:18] continuously monitors the disinfectant
level in our water and also the
[1:26:23] turbidity meaning the cloudiness or
particulate matter in the water. This
[1:26:29] contract is not just a service
agreement. It's also an insurance
[1:26:34] policy.
If we were to be maintaining this
[1:26:37] equipment ourselves, we would still once
a year probably need to call a hawk
[1:26:42] technician to come out for about three
or $4,000 to do firmware updates that we
[1:26:47] don't have access to do. The reagents
and chemicals we need to do the
[1:26:54] calibrations run about $45,000
a year.
[1:27:00] and the extra equipment we would need to
have on the shelf would probably hit us
[1:27:04] for another $16,000 just to have in case
something breaks. Now, if something does
[1:27:11] go bad or breaks, our service contract
will cover the replacement of these
[1:27:16] parts within 5 days.
And if the technician makes a mistake
[1:27:22] and messes up that equipment, that
equipment will be replaced for free that
[1:27:27] day off of his truck instead of if we
happen to make a mistake that might hit
[1:27:33] us for $10 to $20,000 worth of uh very
sensitive monitor.
[1:27:41] » We have been over these guys shoulders
for two years. Um, we we are constantly
[1:27:48] learning and watching. We have a very
good handle on how the equipment works.
[1:27:53] It's just there there's too many
benefits to not going with these guys.
[1:27:58] Um, I know that we've brought this
contract up a lot. We had a lot of
[1:28:02] different equipment that was bought in
stages and then they all had service
[1:28:09] agreements that were in stages. This now
kind of smooshes it all together and
[1:28:13] it'll be every April and it'll give us
four visits on the four tubidity
[1:28:19] monitors that we have. It'll give us two
visits on each of the controllers that
[1:28:25] monitor or the three three controllers.
It'll be two visits a year for uh
[1:28:31] firmware updates and calibration.
And then our uh disinfectant monitor
[1:28:37] will be serviced twice a year. um to
include replacement of all the wear and
[1:28:43] tear parts on the interior.
>> How long have you been using them
[1:28:46] » of these machines? These uh machines we
have
[1:28:49] » no this company
>> Oh, this company was in use before I
[1:28:52] started working here.
>> We just entered into this contract one
[1:28:56] year ago. Has it not been budgeted in
year?
[1:28:58] » It it is budgeted in for this year. Yes.
>> So what we're considering for the total
[1:29:02] for this next year is $8,467.
>> That would be from this year.
[1:29:07] » How would that compare to last year?
Right. How would that compare to this
[1:29:10] last year? Is there a lot of change
since we've since we've combined?
[1:29:14] » It's just one contract contract. It's
actually come down a little bit because
[1:29:19] everything's consolidated.
>> We're not sending guys out all the time.
[1:29:23] » Appreciate it.
>> Absolutely.
[1:29:25] » Any other questions?
>> I make a motion.
[1:29:30] I'll second.
>> Thank you. From Dean
[1:29:34] from
>> Yes.
[1:29:35] » Dean.
Thank you. Number 17.
[1:29:39] disapprove the treasures report.
[1:29:44] » So
I just got to on the first page of the
[1:29:49] treasur
we've always put in this this little
[1:29:54] diagram that shows how much in the
negative we were to water
[1:30:00] the amount as high as $246,000.
[1:30:06] If you look at Marches, you can see
we've got everything allocated now and
[1:30:11] we are at 54642
[1:30:17] after reallocating three years on the
insurance that and other things that
[1:30:22] were not
split out to the different departments.
[1:30:26] General was caring everything.
Now we actually it makes sense now. I
[1:30:32] mean we were struggling to try to
understand how just keeps going bad at
[1:30:38] the end. That was a big problem.
>> You'd be excited to have a negative
[1:30:42] 54,000. But good job.
>> Way to go.
[1:30:46] » I know.
>> I know it's not zero, but it feels like
[1:30:51] zero.
[1:30:54] » Thank you for that that effort.
>> And Jane was a big part of helping us
[1:31:00] find all of that because we just kept
why and when we finally saw what had had
[1:31:08] happened and was uncovering it then we
were able to fix it all and make
[1:31:13] adjustments. Now there is something
which the um adjusting journal entries
[1:31:20] that we've been doing with the auditor.
We still got a couple that we're still
[1:31:25] trying to get on the second page. I
pointed this out before that there's a
[1:31:29] couple differences there that kind of
midweight on the page. And when that
[1:31:34] shows on your report, it says there's
something wrong. The bank totals don't
[1:31:38] equal to your general ledger totals. We
were at 68
[1:31:44] 4014
wherever. And as we've been fixing the
[1:31:49] journal to entries, we're almost got
that fixed and cleaned up so that it'll
[1:31:53] be a clean slate. Matching numbers with
the auditor, matching numbers over
[1:32:01] it's definitely a lot of progress.
[1:32:07] » Congratulations.
[1:32:11] » What a difference.
>> It don't mean we got flesh money, but it
[1:32:15] means Real numbers. Real numbers means
we can make do with the money we have.
[1:32:25] » Well, thank you. That's that's that's
taken a lot of hard work. We appreciate
[1:32:28] all that you guys have put through and
investigative
[1:32:31] » time that it takes to track that all
down and to redistribute another.
[1:32:40] Well, as long as those auditors don't
steal you guys away.
[1:32:45] That's not going to happen. I have a
motion to approve the treasures report.
[1:32:49] » I'll make a motion to approve the
treasures.
[1:32:52] » Have a second.
>> Second roll call.
[1:32:56] » Yes.
>> Motion to approve. Sorry. Move to 18.
[1:33:00] Approve bills and claims requisition
orders and transfers. Do I have a
[1:33:03] motion?
>> Motion.
[1:33:07] » I have a second.
Roll call. Ron.
[1:33:12] » Yes.
>> Motion for
[1:33:16] » Dean second
[1:33:22] for
[1:33:29] » Thank you so much.
>> Yes.
[1:33:39] We're just
[1:33:50] okay.