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Hello.

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Hello. Good evening.

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Well, the numbers on my digital clock say it's six o'clock and from a quick glance at the attendance, it looks like we have a quorum. So I would at this time call to order the meeting of the Crescent with planning and zone in commission. And Jeff, if you would, would you give us a roll call, please?

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That's a chairman, sweetie.

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All right.

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Chairman, sweetie.

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Here.

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Commissioners of fell.

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Commissioner Mirecord.

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Here.

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Commissioner Bundering.

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Not here yet.

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We're still waiting on him.

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Commissioner Milford.

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Commissioner Wilkinson.

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Here.

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Commissioner Overture.

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I'm just a waitin' for Todd and Brandon,

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but that is five members and that is a quorum.

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We have a quorum, Aldermen Kennedy.

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I see you, John.

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We are good to go.

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Thank you.

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Prior to the approval of the minutes folks I would like to indicate that I'm going to open the public hearings for items for A and for B initially and at that point in light of the length and complexity of the room.

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rest of the public hearing. I'm going to ask that the commission continue those, those hearings,

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hearings A and B until our next scheduled meeting. So I just wanted to give you that for warning,

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and that's my plan, and if it is acceptable to a majority of the commission, that's what the plan

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will be. But before we move on to that, we have approval of the minutes from our October 6 meeting.

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If commissioners have had an opportunity to review those minutes and there are no corrections changes our

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Deletions I would entertain a motion to approve those.

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I'll make your motion's commissioner Zifl looks like Commissioner

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Myercord made the motion all second commissioners. Thank you. Thank you.

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Commissioner's myercord in Zifl. All those in favor, please indicate by saying hi.

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Hi. Hi. Anyone opposed?

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minutes are approved. As I indicated, I am now going to open the public hearings for items

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for A and B on the agenda tonight. Those are hearings for A as a modification of the maximum

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lot coverage of residential parcels and a lot for B is a modification of lot size calculation

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and residential zoning districts,

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as I indicated prior to the approval of the minute,

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in light of the importance, complexity,

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and length of the other public hearings

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that we have scheduled,

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I would recommend and accept emotions

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who continue those public hearings

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until our next scheduled meeting.

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I will make that motion, Commissioner Zipfell.

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Thank you, Commissioner Zipfell, do I have a second?

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I'll second. Thank you, Commissioner Milford. All those in favor.

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Hi. Hi. Anyone opposed?

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The public hearings A&B scheduled for tonight, October 27,

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are continue to our next scheduled meeting.

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John, do we know when that meeting is scheduled? I know it will be posted,

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but if we could get that on the record tonight, it wouldn't hurt.

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That was December 1st, Mr. Chairman.

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So, we're the record, the public hearings on items for A&B are continuing until our next scheduled meeting on December 1st, 2021.

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I'm going to ask that we open the hearings on items for C through F, although we will do them.

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I believe separately from John's presentation I would like us to open all of those hearings and light of the fact that they are interrelated.

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If there are no objections to that, I would open the public hearing.

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Those items and John ask you to introduce us to this project.

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Thank you Mr. Chairman, for members of the public who are joining and wish to have a comment on these public hearings, you will have an opportunity to do so once the topics have been introduced.

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And what's going to happen is I'm right now going to give a very brief introduction to the project.

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The developers have asked to give a little bit of a presentation on their end as well.

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And then I will follow that up with a little bit more of a technical report discussing the legalities and the zoning and all that kind of stuff that goes along with this development.

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So what we're here to discuss is a plan development for what's being called Crestwood Crossing.

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The address is one Crestwood Plaza.

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And this is the former site of Crestwood Court, original shopping mall that opened in 1957.

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Site has been vacant since the mall is demolition in 2017 and is considered blighted and dangerous.

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In the past 15 years, numerous developments have been proposed for the site.

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None of them have been completed, but the most recent proposal prior to Crestwood Crossing being withdrawn in May of 2020.

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In June of 2020, the City of Presswood issued a request for proposals for developers to give us their ideas for how they could develop the site.

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And in December of 2020, the co-applicants deeply development and McBride homes were selected to develop the site.

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So everybody is aware of what we're looking at and what we're talking about.

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This is the site here in the City of Presswood.

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This is what's in the road going east, west, tapping, going north, south.

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And we can see right now the property is done for playing development commercial, exported by industrial uses to the northeast commercial uses to the south east and west and residential uses to the northwest.

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And over here this is where Coles is appears the government appears the government center got too many money sent to what I'm doing. So here's Coles is the government center.

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here is guitar center over this way down over here we got emo's and

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savers and Starbucks and this should get everybody a good indication of the

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piece of land that we're talking about before we get into the existing site

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conditions to talk about how things look on that site right now what I'm going to

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do is stop sharing my screen and I believe representative some D3 and McBride

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are ready with their presentation?

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And John, just before they provide their presentation,

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I just like to note for the record

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that commissioners, Bundering, and Eversgard are present.

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And take it away.

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Please note that if you are going to speak

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that this is a public hearing, and please identify yourself

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or the record, whoever that might be.

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I could even, if anyone here may,

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Mr. Chairman, members

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of the Planning Commission, good evening.

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this is Drew Bextramular with D3 Commercial Real Estate and I'm going to be presenting on behalf

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of the Dearberg side of the development commercial side of the developments tonight.

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Genial Miller with McBride Holmes is going to be representing the pride receiving.

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We're actually, we have our whole team assembled here at McBride's offices, so we're all

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together this evening, but I just want to give a brief overview of Crestwood Crossing.

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We are extremely excited to be with everyone tonight.

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We've been working on this project for a long period of time and

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are really excited about getting things going here.

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The Deerberg's entity has been, we've been developing shopping centers for many, many years.

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We currently own and operate in excess of a million square feet, 100% owned by the D3

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Deerberg's entities with occupancy rates in excess of today, about 97%, and then we also

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have another 2 million feet roughly that we co-owned with capital and company.

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We have 25 grocery stores at the moment.

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We're actually going to talk on this on a little bit more detail,

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but we're opening store number 26 and Lake St. Louis

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St. Charles County actually on Tuesday.

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So we're really excited about that and are looking forward to

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hopefully being able to have an opportunity to bring

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store number 27 to Crestwood.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair, Cremitchner.

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We're very excited to be happy to present this

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fantastic project to you this evening.

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A little bit of history about McBride, we're the largest home builder in the state of Missouri.

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I'm reading our 75th anniversary this month. Very stable companies currently building in 30 neighborhoods in the St. Louis metropolitan area. And we have a substantial amount of experience creating new neighborhoods.

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Just a little bit about the site history, more recent site history. In 2013, the last tenant vacated the mall. In 2017, the structure of the mall was demolished and complete.

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And over the years, in 2012, 2015 and 2018, various plans were submitted by various developers.

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None of those plans were feasible. None of those plans came from fruition.

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So the property has sat vacant, unoccupied for the last eight years.

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And as you heard, your staff say earlier, the site is hazard and unsightly.

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So more recent history, the city issue and RFP for the site in the summer of 2020, we applied with the proposal in August of 2020 and in December of 2020, so almost going on a year.

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the both McBride and Deerberg's were selected by the city as the code that all

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of her to the site based upon the concept plan that you're seeing before you this

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evening. So what's great about the partnership between McBride and Deerberg's on this site

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is that we are both home town companies with a long history here and we both have a long history

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of making projects work and bring them to fruition. Here's some pictures of the site as it currently

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six.

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And so when Deerberg and McGrey started talking about the site, you know, I'm thinking about how we've wanted to develop this site. We had a number of different concepts in mind and things to think about.

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But here, I just want to discuss sort of the top three drivers and our clock processes we prepared the concept plan that the city has been looking at in the next before you tonight.

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We wanted to create a sense of identity, we understand that this site is integral and a very important to the city and has a long history to the city.

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It's also very visible site.

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So we wanted to create a space that press with citizens could identify with that brought the community together in several ways, both from a commercial residential but a public gathering space too.

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We wanted to offer patio restaurant areas seating, some community gathering spaces, connectivity

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between the new residential and the commercial, and connectivity to the overall community as well.

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So we could bring folks outside of this immediate project into the community to enjoy all of the

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on-site activities that we're going to offer. We also wanted to design this close into the second point,

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a connected and walkable space where the residential owners that will be in the community,

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but also for those citizens that live outside

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of this initial project.

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And we've done that and Drew is going to walk you through

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some of the features that we've been able to achieve

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with that connect connectivity and walkability

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for this site.

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And for the residential portion, well, before I talk about

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the residential, we just, here we're obviously

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wanted to offer a very first class retail and grocery store.

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And it is a phenomenal project

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that they're going to share with you this evening and give you a lot more detail about their project,

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their portion of the project. For the residential side, what we wanted to do was achieve a variety

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of product offerings for the housing work if you're and we chosen three and we believe they fit

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very nicely with what your comprehensive plan calls for, your comprehensive plan calls for that

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for to fulfill needs for aging in place, young families and starter homes. And we're offering

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three products and as we get more into the residential portion of the project a little later in

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the presentation we'll discuss how each of those products fits the needs of the comprehensive

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plan. And lastly and although it's not on the slide we did read the comprehensive plan thought about

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it and analyzed it in terms of how we prepare a plan that meets the needs of the city's comprehensive

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plan. There's a little bit of history that goes in the comprehensive plan that we've learned through

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discussions with the city in our own research.

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The previous development urban street project

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was approved by the city in 2016 for this site.

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And then just less than a year later in 2017,

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the city approved the comprehensive plan.

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So at that time, what they decided to do for this site,

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since they had a plan that was approved by urban street,

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which was a vertical mixed use development,

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the movie theater, is that they decided just to basically

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that's specific plan as part of the comprehensive plan for this site.

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So there were many reasons that plan didn't work,

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and that we're here tonight proposing more of a horizontal mixed use development.

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So to compare our plans to the precise urban street plan that was adopted in that comprehensive plan,

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yes, those are identical.

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But things, goals that we have achieved with our plan that are identified in the comprehensive plan are providing core commercial, providing housing for a variety of stages of life, including aging and place young families and starter homes.

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So we achieve many, many of the goals the comprehensive plan has for providing housing and providing more core commercial.

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All right, so I would like to take the opportunity to introduce the site in a little bit more detail.

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As you can see, the site plan in front of you here, it's about 47 acres and just for simplistic terms, the western portion of the site is where you're going to find the poor commercial and I'm going to get into the detail of each section of that core commercial here shortly.

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And then on the eastern side behind the Watson roadlots, you'll see the McBride villages and Gene's going to talk more specific about those in the presentation as well.

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So I want to talk a little bit about the signal access point, et cetera.

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And I think what I'll do is go from east to west.

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There's an existing signal here that we're going to reenergize and reutilize that's across the street from the current Aldi.

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And that will serve the out lots of long lots of road and eventually connectivity at the

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rear of the Watson road lots to allow access along those backwats.

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As you shift to the west across the street from Crestwood Commons, you'll see another signal

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and we again would like to re-energize that signal and that will be the pathway or the

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vehicular connection to both the commercial and the McBride development.

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further west on old sappington will be the primary core commercial entrance. That's also

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signalized and we have proposed also a signal where there was a former signal here that

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was taken out when the mall was closed but we like to reinstall that signal at south sappington

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and the rear access drive. That's still in play. We have submitted a traffic study to all

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agencies and that is currently the reviews from all the agencies are underway.

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We actually did just receive mode documents late yesterday, but we're still waiting

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on St. Louis County.

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So I'd like to take a moment to sort of walk you through if you drive through this, the site

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and enter through the what we'll call the shared access point and show you a little bit about

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what we're looking here.

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This is that out, a lot, five, just a long Watson road.

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This would be if you take a ride or go to the north, you would enter the residential portion of the development and if you continue straight or westward you'd enter into the core commercial area that we're looking to achieve here.

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And you're going to see a gathering space on each side gathering spaces A and B that we really think help integrate the residential piece to the commercial piece.

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And I'm going to give you a couple different views.

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This is a view looking from the residential portion into the commercial.

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This is the end of building C, which I'll talk about here in a minute.

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There is a composite decking wall that will separate that the rear drive, if you will,

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and the rear of the out, are the, excuse me, building C and the grocery store was also

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some landscape, nice architecture there as well.

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There's another view looking from the drive lane as you come through again, gathering space A on your right side, gathering space B on your left side.

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One more view.

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This is looking back towards, you can see a couple of the mid-bright homes here, looking back towards, gathering space A again, seeing the patio of what we would see as hopefully a restaurant on the end of building seed.

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to create some synergy between this gatherings phase

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and also the poor commercial there.

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We're gonna integrate patio furniture

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throughout bicycle racks.

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Here's just a quick sample of some of the benches

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that are architect CD companies

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has helped put together for us with some bike racks

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and some bench seating, et cetera.

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And then looking at gathering space B

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and the bio-retention area,

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this is the nice visual back towards the out parcel D building

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that we would like to construct

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in the parking lot in the future that would also have drive-thru capabilities as well hopefully

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for another restaurant.

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As we move towards the, we move back towards the middle of the core commercial with the,

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with the deer birds building, what we're looking to construct here is building A, which is

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approximately 13,000 feet, building C, approximately 10,000 feet, a couple of 5,000 square

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with buildings, with drive through access on buildings D and E, and then of course what

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what I apologize, but I guess I shouldn't apologize.

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When I'm most proud of is the Dearburg's grocery store that we're looking to bring here

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to to the city of Crestwood. And that's going to be about a 71, 72,000 square foot grocery store.

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Here's a quick view of what the grocery store will look like in the future.

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And if you don't mind, I really like to share a short video presentation that's actually the

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This will be the first public views of this presentation that's going to be used on Tuesday morning

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at our grand opening in Lake St. Louis. So it is certainly not the exact or identical layout of

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some of the buildings and so forth, but we'll give you a good flavor of what we would like to

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bring to the city of Crestwood. So you'll bear with me. I'd like to go through here one second.

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I apologize for the technical difficulty here.

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Are you staying that?

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We cannot. I think you might need to share the screen so that it's showing the

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weather that you need to. I think in one second. I think it's a show where I could

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go. I think it's a show where I could go.

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Be sure.

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Are with me. Sorry, these are much easier live.

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I hope for this. Everyone, see you now.

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Sorry.

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I'm

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sorry, we've been working on this project for a decade.

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Oh, it's too funny.

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Is that me?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'll go back to the end.

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You can stop.

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What are you saying?

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It's like it.

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You got to select it.

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You got to select it.

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You got to select it.

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You got to select it.

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to select it.

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You got to do it.

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You got to do it.

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You got to do it.

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Almost not open.

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Hey there.

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Hi there.

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Look at that.

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Is that it?

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No.

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No.

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I mean, the distance.

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We could put it on your computer and put the camera on your computer.

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Is that you?

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I'll have a key idea.

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Ed McBride.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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I left my 14 year old home, Mr.

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He had this perfect last night.

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That's generally my recommendation.

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He had this perfect last night.

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It's a little bit clean, it's a little bit clean, it's a

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little bit clean.

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All right. Sorry about that, everyone.

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Is it supposed to be narrated?

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don't have

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any samples from Bob's bar. All right. All right.

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We get back to the site plan.

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Okay. So I appreciate that. Sorry for a little technical difficulty.

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But we're really excited about bringing that new concept. It has a new central entrance.

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It does not have the two side entrances

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that you're accustomed to seeing it all the older deer bird.

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So a lot of new features, a lot of new,

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new sign-in to new departments.

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Bob's barn was a big hit for us down at the lake of the Ozarks.

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We feel like it's going to be a big hit here as well.

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And so just a lot of new components

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with the different butcher shop area, seafood area, et cetera.

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So we're really excited about that.

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As we move westward within the development,

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I also want to speak about another very important piece

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of this development, which is integrating additional public space

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into what we're labeling as the western outlets at the moment.

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While we don't have specific users identified

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at the moment, we're hoping with the support

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of the city over the next 30 days or so,

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we're hopeful that we can then take this to market

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and find some local restaurants

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that would like to join the development in Crestwood

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with a couple of different restaurant options here,

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along with this public gathering space that you see here in the middle.

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And I do have a couple of views as we click through here.

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So this is looking, this is looking back Eastern.

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So Watson wrote would be at the top of the page.

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But this gives you a good indication of the couple of different restaurants.

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And again, these footprints could change depending on the needs of the various restaurants.

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And then this would be the gathering space area with a water feature of some sort.

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if this is the exact configuration or size or shape,

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I'm not sure about that,

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but certainly something very similar to this in nature.

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Another view looking, aerial view looking down,

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this is again, looking towards Watson Road,

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looking into the patio areas of the buildings

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and the gathering space.

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And then one additional view that we have is more of a,

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from the grass looking towards the water feature

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and again the back patios of the of the restaurants. So we really think that there's some good

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synergy between tying these buildings, a couple of potential buildings on the north side,

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whether that ends up being one building or two. It's just going to depend on needs and the

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types of users that would come. But we are really excited about the connectivity and I'm going to show

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you that in just a second between this area and the residential and then also the rest of the core

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commercial. One other component I wanted to bring up is in the island in this center area,

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is where we would like to put our pile on sign and there is a conditional use permit requested

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for an electronic message center that we have here shown in this area. We did move that to the

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center island after a conversation with the city and with Mr. Cruz and we felt that from a distance

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and a view court or for traffic, this is the best place for it, so we're excited about this opportunity as well.

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And then going back to the overall plan, well, last things I want to touch on and then I'll send it over to Jeannie to talk about McBrides' villages, but the connectivity plan.

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I think this is important because this is, this slide is a challenge. It really is a challenge to integrate in a horizontal manner both the residential and the commercial.

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but I do believe that we work hard in the intent is to tie in pedestrian, friendly access

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and also have vehicular access that can safely reach Watson Road, safely reach saffington by

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this rear drive so that customers or residents are not transversing across the front of the store

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to just do their daily commute. So I think we've tried to do a good job of taking care of that

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but also connecting the sidewalks every in every area that we can along Watson internal to the commercial on the rear drive going back to the residential all the way through the residential and then also going over to connect to grants trail.

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I think that's another thing that that we've stepped up and said that we will certainly take on the responsibility of connecting to grants trail.

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And this is, this is a design.

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We're still working on finalizing the engineering

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and all the challenges that we're dealing with

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on the slopes.

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And this also gives you an idea of the type of bridge structure

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that we're thinking that would cross over

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and then obviously tie in on the industrial port there

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back to the current grants trail.

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So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Genie

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and she's gonna talk a little bit more in detail about the product.

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Thank you, Drew.

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So just to talk a little bit,

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before we get into the design and the products on the McBride,

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portion of the residential portion of the site,

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just to talk a little bit about how we build communities.

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What we do is where we have three different product lines

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here and we'll walk through what each of those looks like

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in a second.

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What we do is we build several displays for each product line,

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but the customers can get a good feel and look for the house in the style of how they choose.

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We also build market homes for each product line, which is a home that a customer could close on

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relatively soon. And so it's already constructed, but most of this we anticipate will be to be built

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homes, so the customer will select their lot with the sales professional and then they'll come to

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award-winning design studio, which is right out here in our chest for real campus, it's the only

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one of its kind in the state of Missouri and it's 10,000 square feet. It has all of the investment

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options that the customer can choose both from an exterior and an interior. The customer will

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each get to work with, each customer will each get to work with a design professional that can

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device them, curried options, we're constantly updating the options and investment choices that

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the customer can make, looking at trends and offering those fantastic new trends and products

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to our customers.

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So it's a wonderful customer experience when they come out here and get to see all of those

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investment options that they can make for their new home.

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So let's take a look and just talk overall about the design of the residential portion.

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As you can see we have, we're going to talk about three different villages in the residential portion.

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But what we did was from a planning perspective really puts the more dense products,

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which is a product closest to the commercial portion and we'll talk about that a second.

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And then we move into a little less dense product which is our base side products, which is more closer, it's obviously closer to Watson Road.

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And then the least dense and the larger size product toward the back of the site where we have more green space.

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So from a planning perspective, you do have that place in basic planning residential 101 where you put the more dense residential adjacent to the commercial.

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So, as we look at this site plan too, we have common area that is private to the community

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for the residential use.

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You have a private common open space front adjacent to that central access point, which we

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feel like is a great for residents who are living on the site.

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They will obviously, a tremendous amenity for them, not only for the citizens of Crescent

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but for your new citizens that will be locating here or relocating here from existing

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crestwood homes. The commercial aspects of this project are tremendous amenity for them.

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They will want to walk there. So what we decided to do was put that common ground

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and sort of a stopping point on the way on their walk to the restaurants, the outdoor seating,

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the grocery store shopping that they're going to do. So throw the ball with the kids, walk the dog

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as that sort of stopping point before you

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answer the commercial portion of the site.

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And as Drew talked about, we're connecting to that trail,

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so there will be public pedestrian access all throughout the...

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We're going to look at Village C first.

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And these are three distinct product lines. Village C, we're going to show you some pictures. We call our least emotional series. This is a very new product series for us. We built this for the first time in the hill. That project is just completing now. These are single family detached homes that can be both two and three story options for customers.

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customers going to choose both their elevation and their floor plan and we do offer two and three

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story floor plan options. In this village for the Belissimo series there are 31 home sites here for

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customers to choose and these all have a two-car detached garage. So as you can see we go back to the

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McBride village, the portion of the residential you can see that where this Belissimo series is in

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you can see this is an alley entry with a rear entry detached to car garage. So it has more

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of that urban feel like I said we built it in the hill and you can see that wonderful street

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scape at the bottom where you have architecture that's different but very harmonious with its neighbor.

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So you have that very urban feel here especially with that detached garage. You're going to

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So, you know, the market here is for young professionals, young families, maybe people that

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want to downsize and have that rare entry product there.

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So, very exciting.

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This will be our second time building this product and we're very, very excited to be

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bringing it to your city.

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So, we move into the next product, which is Village V. This is our base side product.

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So, this product is closer to Watson, but more toward the east of the site, so we're moving

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away from the commercial now.

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And this product, when our base type product,

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these are 34 lots for customers to own.

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These are also single-family defects.

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And this offers, we offer a variety of products,

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styles of phones here.

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And I'm going to show you some pictures

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of these base type products.

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Again, all single-family detached tones,

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all have two car garage, all will have basements.

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These are a variety of plants.

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So we offer a ranch plan,

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we offer two story plans in this series. What's great about that and helping to meet some of the

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goals that the city has in the comprehensive plan if these ranch plans, they offer options

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for people that want to age in place. So what you could do here is or someone that wants to

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downsize and stay in the community. You drive in the garage, you can unload your groceries right

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into the kitchen, your bedroom, your grandchildren's bedroom when they want to visit or your children's

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bedroom is all in the same floor, the same living space. So it eliminates those stairs,

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people want to age in place and provide living space all on that same floor for them.

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And so we offer a variety of ranch plans in this product line and again plus some two-story

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options in this product line.

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So if we go to the final product line,

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It is the village A, which is in the back of a site surrounded by more green space and buffer area to the residential, obviously toward the back of the site, the existing residential.

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These are, we call our Oakwood series, and I'll show you some pictures in a second, but you can see that with the Oakwood series we're offering 16 separate home sites for customers to choose from.

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And these are move up products.

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We'll show you some pictures here now.

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So these are a little bit larger home than the baseline homes.

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These will be, these offerings will include two

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and three car garage offerings on these lots.

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And these, this product line includes the ranch plan.

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That's different than the baseline plan.

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00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,320
It's a little bigger.

447
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:07,260
Also includes two story plans.

448
00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:09,800
But it also includes a story and a half plan.

449
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,020
with you can see over here just above the word Oakland homes. That's our Pinot Plan.

450
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:19,900
What that plan and the ranch plan again offer are options to age in place, options for folks

451
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:24,440
that don't want to do the stairs a whole lot that Pinot is very popular playing in many of our

452
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,040
communities because it has the owners' tweets on the same floor as all the living space,

453
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:39,780
your kitchen, all of these plans and the Oakland series and the Bayside series and in the

454
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:44,100
I like it and you have a lot of entertaining entertainment space for when you have one

455
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:48,840
have family and friends over very modern floor plans focused on that entertainment and gathering

456
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,080
space on that first floor that living space. But again, what's great about this is it offers

457
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,200
those living that aging in place options with those ranch plans and those one and half story plans.

458
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,300
So you really do see when you look at the types of housing that we're offering is we're offering

459
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:11,860
for different cycles in people's lives, young professionals, folks that want to downsize,

460
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,820
folks that want to move up products, but may not once the full two stories, so we offer that one

461
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:19,260
and a half a range action.

462
00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:31,870
So to get to the summary of what the request is tonight, the chair

463
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:36,930
perfectly exemplified that there are of course a lot of components to this approval for this project

464
00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:42,490
tonight. And I'm sure this during the staff presentation next, she's going to get into some of the

465
00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:45,090
details of each of those components.

466
00:50:45,810 --> 00:50:50,490
But overall, what we're asking for is a rezoning to a PVMXD,

467
00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:53,250
mixed use development, and the development plan

468
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:55,390
approval for the joint development

469
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:56,870
between McBride and Deerworks.

470
00:50:57,430 --> 00:51:01,050
Just a little bit of history about what we've done in the last 16,

471
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:04,290
17 months since we've been working on this project.

472
00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:06,790
Like I said, we were selected as the code developers

473
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:08,530
and by the city in December.

474
00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:11,430
But before that time and after that time,

475
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:15,930
we have had many, many meetings with your staff.

476
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:20,490
We've got a work session with you all,

477
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:22,030
just several weeks ago.

478
00:51:22,330 --> 00:51:24,690
We've also met with elected officials in citizens.

479
00:51:24,970 --> 00:51:26,990
And just received a lot of comment feedback.

480
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:30,230
And all of that has led, and of course, your staff as well,

481
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:32,370
has led to very productive discussions

482
00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:35,190
and tweaks to the plan changes to the plan updates to the plan.

483
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:37,410
And we want to thank everybody for their participation.

484
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:40,250
It's made definitely the plan of better plan.

485
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:47,670
and we're very excited, both Dearberg's and McBride are very, very excited to be able to bring this to you this evening.

486
00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:56,330
Both again, hometown developers that have been in business in the St. Louis, Montreal's area for a very long time.

487
00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:59,130
So we're just excited to be able to do this in our hometown.

488
00:52:00,170 --> 00:52:03,330
And with that, we'd be able to answer any questions.

489
00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:05,810
We have a whole team of folks here that can.

490
00:52:07,890 --> 00:52:09,670
Oh, sorry about that guys.

491
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:15,010
I'm going to continue my presentation if that's okay with you Mr. Chairman.

492
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:22,090
It is. I just want to let the public know. Again, thank you Drew and Jeannie for that presentation.

493
00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:31,170
But I want John to carry on and give a little more detail presentation to the commission.

494
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:38,790
At that point, I will open up the questioning to the public. So I would just ask folks to be patient

495
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:48,130
As indicated and as we've seen this is a complex project and I'd like for John to have an opportunity to speak and then we'll open the floor.

496
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:52,550
Thank you for your patience and yeah, please go forward, John.

497
00:52:54,270 --> 00:53:01,190
Here you are, this is where we left off with our zoning and aerial context for the development.

498
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:04,470
Moving on here.

499
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:11,270
We can take a look at the existing conditions I'm going to bring these up again. This show is the eastern current ingress on the site

500
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:17,510
You notice in the developer's presentation they talked about a track of light being reactivated at this location as of right now

501
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:25,390
That wasn't included in my staff report because that's going to be part of phase three. Once that area along Watson will get set to be redeveloped that area includes

502
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:32,890
This portion over here. This is if you stand behind the bank building and the northeast outside of the southeast corner of the property

503
00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:40,930
and look out over, you can see there's lots of grubble in debris, and this is about as close as I want to get, because this looks like at least a twisted end of the waiting to happen.

504
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:47,530
You can see at the bank building there's been some broken glass, there's been some boarding up of the building.

505
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:55,770
And looking out onto lots of road, you can see it's right across the street from the current Aldi and the shopping center development over there.

506
00:53:56,030 --> 00:54:00,250
This gives an idea as far as what things look like right along the perimeter of the property.

507
00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:05,230
We can see some end barriers that have been put into place to separate the pavement from the level.

508
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:12,130
Going down to the next part of the city music building, this is one of the ones that's part of the development.

509
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:14,550
And this is what it looks like on the front.

510
00:54:14,610 --> 00:54:17,650
You can see there's been a lot of deferred maintenance on the parking lot.

511
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:21,130
And around back to deferred maintenance is even more severe.

512
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:27,630
Some of the stuff that's off to the side of the picture that we can't see the parking lot is in very rough shape to the point where

513
00:54:27,630 --> 00:54:31,870
they're getting us to become people driving over it. There is a band in furniture,

514
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:36,730
bad care, miscellaneous trash, and debris, which seemed to be everywhere except the dumpster.

515
00:54:37,870 --> 00:54:43,130
Going a little bit further west, this is the vacant lot that's on the other side of the

516
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:47,990
Audi Kirkwood Grads that's shown right here. As at this time that property is not part of the

517
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:51,990
development, although I do understand the developers are working on acquiring that.

518
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:58,070
And here we see the perimeter of fencing, something like this exists all the way around the site.

519
00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:06,570
If it doesn't have those cement barriers, either some chainling fence like this or some of that orange nylon fencing or something to that effect.

520
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:11,910
And a lot of warding signs telling people that it is dangerous and they should not be going in there.

521
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:20,250
Other looks inside of the development. This gives a good example of the level that was locked in the demolition in 2017.

522
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:26,210
a lot with a lot of this need of Prairie Graster was planted to help prevent soil erosion and

523
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:31,610
desertification on the site. So it's got kind of an interesting pastoral look for it right now.

524
00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:38,170
We would of course decide very safe. Here we can see the ingress and egress to the site here.

525
00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:44,910
And it's the mill one along Watson Road across the court side across the street in the background.

526
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:51,110
you can see water, you can see schnucks, and you can see this is taken at about 8.15 in the

527
00:55:51,110 --> 00:55:55,570
morning, so kids on their way to school have a really great view of the site from the top view

528
00:55:55,570 --> 00:56:00,450
of the school bus right here. Down in the middle of the right, you can see a lot more than either

529
00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:07,670
plantings and furry grass and just overall a very unfriendly looking, blighted site. Once we get

530
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:12,350
towards the western portion of the development, this is the western most ingress and you go

531
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:18,050
coming off of sapping to the road, as Drew mentioned the idea is a traffic signal was going to be

532
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:25,210
erected here as well as an extension of the median along right here to prevent people from

533
00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:30,210
turning left on the south sapping to the road. This is what it currently looks like if you're looking

534
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:35,550
eastbound from that same location through the fence and at the bottom two pictures show what

535
00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:41,010
it looks like kind of around this retaining wall here where people were turning north on the sapping

536
00:56:41,010 --> 00:57:09,310
Tim from Watson. This is what time the other side of all that. So as you can see, in some ways, it looks like it hasn't been touched by anybody for a long time. The reality is that we know that it's a very unsafe place. And it's certainly a lot more friendly than it looks. So what we have here is a proposed development called Crestwood crossing as the developers mentioned in the presentation. It's going to be a horizontal mixed use development consisting of grocery retail dining and single family homes that are sold at market rate.

537
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:13,570
It's going to encompass the entire site, which is around 47 acres every take.

538
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:17,830
Additional amenities are going to include pedestrian and bike infrastructure,

539
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:22,550
infrastructure, numerous public spaces, including a public plaza, and a bridge to connect

540
00:57:22,550 --> 00:57:27,070
the eastern portion of the development to Grands Trail. Together there's more than 100,000

541
00:57:27,070 --> 00:57:31,410
square feet of reachale space that have been part of the plan submitted, and that number is only

542
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:38,610
for the buildings that are on the site plan have been planned out. So that includes buildings A, B, C, D,

543
00:57:38,610 --> 00:57:44,050
E, which is the main duber Xeria, everything that we talked about for outlock number five,

544
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:48,310
the outlock, some on lots and about in the area where the prize is. That stuff hasn't been

545
00:57:48,310 --> 00:57:52,450
planned yet. We don't know what the square foot is going to be for that yet. So we know the 100,000

546
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:57,330
square foot number is certainly going to go up as tenants are identified and those portions of

547
00:57:57,330 --> 00:58:02,430
the development get figured out. This request also includes a request to change the zoning

548
00:58:02,430 --> 00:58:08,370
across the development from PDC to PDMXD, which is planned development mixed use. There's also

549
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:18,370
We'll apply that application approval request to split it from one parcel into two and then the final plan will have all the different parcels for the single family homes in the additional outlasts.

550
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:24,390
And conditional use permits related to the construction of the electronic message center shopping center sign.

551
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:33,770
And a single family homes within PDMXD also require a conditional use permit as well. And of these are all items that will be considered by the commission later on this evening.

552
00:58:35,310 --> 00:59:04,230
Here we take a look at the proposed site plane, we've all seen this by now, and what we have is the main commercial area that is part of phase one right here, all of the residential portion on the east side over here, and we can see the biggest things that really stick out are the green spaces, the common space along the northeast portion of the development over here, the gathering spaces, the one for the residential down here, the two for the public.

553
00:59:04,770 --> 00:59:13,010
over here. And then we have these detention basins, which are going to help to manage the stone water run off on the site.

554
00:59:13,530 --> 00:59:19,450
And we'll get into a little bit later just about how that plays into the lot-sized and a lot coverage and all that kind of stuff.

555
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:25,910
Here is the rendering that we saw earlier of the proposed deer birds during the daytime.

556
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:32,450
Here's what it's going to look at at night. This one gives a little bit of a better view of what they're envisioning for a smoker right out from here.

557
00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:42,350
Moving on to the residential side of it, this is going to be 81 single family home is built on three different lock sizes.

558
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:49,170
All having setbacks and lock coverage, it's greater than what the municipal cover allows the residential zoning districts are one through our five.

559
00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:57,610
And this is really the purpose of any plane development, be a PDR or PDMXD to allow for greater flexibility than what the zoning district allows for.

560
00:59:58,570 --> 00:59:59,970
And what we see in home.

561
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,740
The stormwater on the residential portion of the development and work with the natural features of the site, the grading to make sure that everything is flowing down into the basins and not flooding anybody's yard.

562
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:25,100
And as I mentioned earlier, these homes are built to order from a catalog of housing and to help maintain the diversity they've stated that they don't allow to the same home to be built next to each other and there's going to be an encouraged diversity of building materials and proximity as well.

563
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:26,720
so we're not gonna end up in a situation

564
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:30,360
where we say roll of asses that all look exactly the same.

565
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:36,530
This is what the villages look like up close.

566
01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:39,070
We have the A-locks, the B-locks and the C-locks.

567
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:42,510
The A-locks have the 50 foot set back.

568
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:45,030
The B-locks have this, I'm sorry, yeah,

569
01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:48,250
50 foot, a lot width, the B-locks have the 60 foot,

570
01:00:48,250 --> 01:00:48,690
lot width.

571
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:50,170
You can see there a little bit wider

572
01:00:50,170 --> 01:00:53,110
and then the C-locks are only 30 feet.

573
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:57,490
And when we take a look at it, we can see there are three,

574
01:00:57,490 --> 01:01:00,210
very distinct villages within this development,

575
01:01:00,470 --> 01:01:03,650
very distinct lock sizes and sizes of the buildings.

576
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:05,450
As you take a look at this,

577
01:01:05,470 --> 01:01:07,310
I want everyone to be mindful of the fact

578
01:01:07,310 --> 01:01:09,510
that because these homes are all built to order,

579
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:12,710
the actual square footage is going to vary a little bit.

580
01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:14,770
And what we have on here is showing the square footage

581
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:17,290
on the lock size, not necessarily the square footage

582
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:21,630
of either impervious cover or of the principle building itself.

583
01:01:22,090 --> 01:01:24,910
And what we take to look at what these are going to look like,

584
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:31,870
Type A is going to have 34 homes with a 50 foot width, 20 foot set back on the front, 15

585
01:01:31,870 --> 01:01:36,890
foot set back on the rear and all three lots are going to have 5 foot set backs on either side.

586
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:41,450
All of these for the lock size, the home foot print and the impervious cover are all

587
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:46,250
approximations that will depend exactly on what it is that the home buyer decides to purchase.

588
01:01:47,050 --> 01:01:52,910
So we're looking at around 40% for the foot print of the home of the include all impervious

589
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:59,750
cover, it's around 50% we've ever taken depending on how we're looking probably up to 55 or 60 with the C-Lots.

590
01:02:01,110 --> 01:02:06,970
Type B, that bill is going to have 16 different homes, that's got the 60 from our whip.

591
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:13,510
Once that bag is still 20 feet for these, rear and side set bags are 15 and 5 feet.

592
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:21,330
And put a 24 feet and pervious cover close to 51% is like 44% and 51%.

593
01:02:21,330 --> 01:02:27,950
Take C will have 31 homes, 30 foot width, 10 foot set back on the front, some very, very short

594
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:33,970
front yards. There's set back of only five feet. Same as the side and a lot size that's a lot

595
01:02:33,970 --> 01:02:40,030
smaller. It's around half of what you get on the B-lots, even with that we see that the

596
01:02:40,030 --> 01:02:43,590
impervious cover is a little bit higher than everybody else, which is what you would expect

597
01:02:43,590 --> 01:02:49,470
with the lot size being what it is. This gives a little bit more of an example of what will be

598
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:55,390
with the McBride homes. This is the base side series Ashford and you can tell there are different

599
01:02:55,390 --> 01:03:00,950
options for people to choose from for their exterior building materials and different names of

600
01:03:00,950 --> 01:03:06,170
what they have branded their product line. So there's classic fairy American colonial traditional

601
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:11,910
French colonial and Renaissance. You can see there's a mixture of building materials between the

602
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:18,410
vinyl siding and the brick as well as different types of brick, different types of entryways

603
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:27,570
And even though the bones of the house and the interior construction is pretty similar and over on the right we get an idea as far as what these floor plans look like.

604
01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:34,850
We can change and customize the appearance a little bit so that everything feels just different enough but still cohesive and part of the same development.

605
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:39,490
This is the Royal Two Product from McBride.

606
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:45,130
It comes in country colonial, provincial, colonial, and Renaissance, similar kind of concept

607
01:03:45,130 --> 01:03:48,970
here where the facades are changing, some of the architectural features on the front are

608
01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:53,170
changing, but the four plans are going to be the same throughout.

609
01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:58,770
And these are all, pretty much exactly what you would expect from large garage, large living

610
01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:04,830
room, family room, there might be some additional amenities, as far as multiple bedrooms

611
01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:09,770
mess or bedroom size, things like that. But it's just pretty much what you would expect out of a

612
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:15,050
a modern single family home today. Similar thing here with the Sterling product line,

613
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:20,090
this one comes in a craftsman and traditional model that kind of blended the vinyl and brick

614
01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:26,510
a little bit of a different way and similar, similar sorts of stuff here. Same thing with Berwick,

615
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:32,490
classic craftsman to her country too. So I think everyone gets the idea of what we're looking at

616
01:04:32,490 --> 01:04:36,670
that the products are going to be very similar, but they will not be exactly the same

617
01:04:36,670 --> 01:04:40,810
when we won't have a neighborhood that's entirely the same house, just put into place

618
01:04:40,810 --> 01:04:47,510
one after another. These are the proposed gathering spaces, and as was mentioned before,

619
01:04:47,710 --> 01:04:54,290
every thing that is over here, and this common space here, these are all intended for use for

620
01:04:54,290 --> 01:05:01,010
the residents of the development, and the gathering space, the gathering space, and the proposed

621
01:05:01,010 --> 01:05:09,130
one over here are all ones that are intended for public use and public gathering time and areas.

622
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:14,210
The one over on the left is being written into the redevelopment agreement. That's something

623
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:18,210
that is not going to be part of what we're voting on tonight. This is a development agreement

624
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:22,590
that worked out between the developers and the board of all room in and it has to do with the

625
01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:27,330
tip financing and the sit and all the other of our casting districts that will help to fund this

626
01:05:27,330 --> 01:05:34,250
development. And part of what that looks like is a commitment from the developers to build a

627
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:39,250
plaza space of no fewer than 12,000 square feet. So even though that's not part of the

628
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:43,810
site plan right now, we feel confident that that's going to happen once the of our tenant or

629
01:05:43,810 --> 01:05:48,990
tenants have been identified. My understanding is that if they have a single restaurant tenant,

630
01:05:49,150 --> 01:05:54,670
they will build one building and then build the plaza to complement the one building. If there

631
01:05:54,670 --> 01:05:59,050
two tenants they may have two buildings and then the plausible circle for those as well.

632
01:05:59,490 --> 01:06:04,970
In addition to that we have the two gathering spaces over here on the eastern end of the

633
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:11,230
commercial with the commercial side hits the residential side and this one is in similar size

634
01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:18,890
to what's going to be over here and we're looking at 12,000 square feet. This one's around 67,000 square

635
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:24,390
feet and it does other public places for people to be over gather. This shows us what the

636
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:29,330
sidewalks are going to look like. You can see there's strong connectivity of sidewalks throughout the development.

637
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:36,670
And that leads from the western end over to the western ingress, and we dress over here in near Saffington.

638
01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:43,390
And sidewalks are added all throughout a lot of these areas right now do that half sidewalks.

639
01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:50,390
And that extends all the way over to the eastern portion where this bridge to grains turn out will be constructed.

640
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:54,730
And that's also going to be constructed as part of the first phase of the development as well.

641
01:06:54,850 --> 01:06:56,430
So that amenity will be ready to go.

642
01:06:56,650 --> 01:06:59,270
Once things are up and running,

643
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,840
this is the phase in the plane.

644
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,660
You all have heard me for the last couple of minutes.

645
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,580
Talk about phase one, two, three, etc.

646
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:14,420
And what we have here is we can see that the principal building,

647
01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:18,780
A, B and C, the deer birds and the restaurants and other retail uses are going to be alongside

648
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:23,760
a part of phase one, as is the connecting bridge to grains trail up here.

649
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:30,880
And label is one A are the single family homes of three villages from a grite, and even though

650
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,360
they're labeled one two and three, these all may happen concurrently, if deer birds

651
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,880
are able to get tenants for the rest of these buildings, and get some site plants together.

652
01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:44,880
The reason why they're labeled this way is because this is what we know 100% per share

653
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,760
is going to be built, and what it's going to look like and what the square footage is.

654
01:07:49,220 --> 01:07:52,280
So we know these homes are going to be built as part of this development.

655
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,180
we know this is going to be built as part of the development and it's going to look like this.

656
01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:02,140
Once everything gets figured out, for tenants over on this side near the plaza, for tenants on the

657
01:08:02,140 --> 01:08:07,000
north portion of this parcel, for tenants over here now, a lot of five, and then for tenants

658
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,760
along Watson Road, we anticipate the construction is going to happen with all that relatively quickly.

659
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:17,300
And because the developer has chosen not to pursue a new tip district,

660
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:21,780
they're operating with a tip district that already exists and was putting a place a couple of

661
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:28,680
years ago. So because of that, we capture a period for that tax revenue is substantially less.

662
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,380
I think on the most bullish side, it's going to be 75% of what it could potentially be

663
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:37,640
if the new one was implemented. So there's a lot of financial incentive on the developers

664
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:43,920
part to get the rest of this build out. And we know the durability has been doing this for a long

665
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,280
time in the same low-ess area. They have a lot of strong partnerships with a lot of different

666
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,740
retailers and restaurants. And from the cities perspective, we feel very confident that they

667
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:56,420
be able to make that work, partially because nobody wants a development that's half built out

668
01:08:56,420 --> 01:09:01,260
or are commercials on the subdivision or anything like that. The other part is that we're

669
01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:07,040
well aware that they have a lot of strong financial reasons to want to do so. So even though

670
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,460
later on there will be plans that will come before the commission that talk about exactly how this

671
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:16,380
is going to be planned out, this will be planned out and for all the lots along the lots and

672
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:20,460
the road as well to be considered and have site plans that are approved, even though they're not

673
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:25,300
of the development site plan today, the part of later phases that we feel like those phases

674
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:29,460
are going to happen relatively quickly and we'll be here having another conversation as far

675
01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:30,640
as what those look like.

676
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:37,800
So that is the presentation on my end for Crestwood Crossing.

677
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,580
It is, I found that it meets two or more of the required objectives for a plan development

678
01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:49,180
outlined under section 2610C in the municipal code. I found that this development is both consistent

679
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:51,660
that ended consistent with the comprehensive plan

680
01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:54,020
and that it is consistent with the purpose

681
01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:57,040
of PDMXD, plan development miss mixed use,

682
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,400
provided that a conditional use permanent granted

683
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,040
to construct a single family home

684
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,240
so as to require a conditional use permit and PDMXD.

685
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,700
I found that the proposed use will have

686
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:09,400
little to no negative impact on the neighborhood character

687
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:11,680
and that it does meet the burden of proof

688
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,460
to receive approval online under section 2612G.

689
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:18,020
So I'm recommending approval of this application

690
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:22,240
for applying development and major site plan with the condition of the landscape plan

691
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,000
be signed and sealed by Missouri landscape architect final prior to the consideration

692
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,080
of the final development plan. Right now I can't remember if it's either signed and sealed

693
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,980
by the engineering firm or it's not sealed at all, but they only do that before the final

694
01:10:35,980 --> 01:10:40,620
development plan comes before the commission approval and that will need to happen within nine

695
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:48,000
months of the preliminary development plan being approved. So what the commission has as far

696
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,180
As there are options regarding this application is they can recommend approval, recommend approval

697
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:57,820
with modifications or recommend denial, and this is a recommendation that we'll go before the Board

698
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:59,520
of all women for consideration.

699
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,560
Our preliminary plan development must be accompanied by a report to the Board of all women.

700
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,660
The Commission must vote on all seven plan development criteria individually, as well as voting

701
01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:11,780
on the approval of the development as a whole.

702
01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:15,520
For members of the public, this is something that the Commission has been talking about

703
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,320
the past couple meetings about how this is going to go and this is a new procedure that will be

704
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,040
for all plane developments in the city of Westwood moving forward. While two or more of these

705
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,900
criteria must be met for the development to receive the recommendation of approval, the approval

706
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:34,760
may still be denied if two or more of the criteria are met. And basically what that means is there are

707
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:40,120
seven things that the commission is going to vote on and say, does it accomplish this?

708
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,020
Yes or no, does it do this? Yes or no? And it has to meet two of those seven items

709
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:50,520
for that even consider passing it. However, the commission could decide that it meets all seven

710
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,340
of those criteria and they could still vote against it and list the reasons as to why.

711
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,600
So the reasons for approval or denial shall be recorded in the minutes and stated in the report

712
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,340
that is something that's listed in the municipal code that says if a plain development is denied,

713
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:10,440
the reasons for doing so must be stated in the minutes. So I would encourage all the commissioners

714
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,000
to be vocal on their feelings on this project, let it be known so they can be entered in

715
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,600
minutes of the meeting and the clerk has been made aware of this and is ready to do so.

716
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,960
So please speak slowly.

717
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:29,000
So that's that's everything for me for right now. Your honor and I will

718
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:35,000
let you let you take it from here. Thank you, John. Before I open this up to question

719
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,340
from the commission, I would like to offer the public and the opportunity to speak.

720
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:50,160
Folks, obviously we're here on Zoom, so if you are interested in speaking, please raise your hand.

721
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,120
Jeff will identify the hands that are raised, I will call on you.

722
01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:59,840
Please identify yourself by name.

723
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,060
Initially, I'm going to limit your comments to three minutes.

724
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:09,760
If there is an opportunity for additional time, I will allow you second comments,

725
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:16,060
but everyone will be allowed an opportunity to speak before someone gets their second chance.

726
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:21,620
So at this point, if anyone from the public is interested in making a comment,

727
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:29,320
again, please state your name and Jeff, if you can kind of keep track of who's hand goes up first,

728
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:35,120
I'm leaving it to you. Yes, the first hand I see is from Greg Ruby.

729
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:37,620
Mayor Robi.

730
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,500
Yes.

731
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:39,380
Please.

732
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,000
Thank you.

733
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,540
I would first I'd like to commend the board.

734
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,200
The commission and the.

735
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,660
Individuals from dear birds.

736
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,720
As well as my pride for a very thorough and.

737
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:56,600
Appropriate presentation on their part.

738
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,880
As everyone knows this is something that the city has been.

739
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,980
looking to achieve for quite some time.

740
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,760
And I believe that this particular presentation

741
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,980
outlines what it is that the city really is interested in

742
01:14:12,980 --> 01:14:13,460
in seeing.

743
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:18,960
So I'm hoping that we'll be able to move this forward

744
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,460
and expeditiously get the citizens of Christ

745
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:28,560
with something that they've been sadly missing for a number of years.

746
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:35,440
I appreciate the opportunity to speak and I encourage the commission to vote favorably for this proposal.

747
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,280
Assembly for this proposal. Thank you, Craig. Any other comments, Jeff, when you have, if you see some,

748
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:22,490
Mimi Duncan, Ms. Duncan, would you please, although I've identified you, would you please,

749
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:23,170
please state your neighbor.

750
01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:31,370
This is Mimi Duncan and I would like to also echo the former mayor's recommendation on this and I,

751
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:47,890
The presentation was great. I do have a question, though, and I don't know if this is too detailed at this time, but I would like to know on the parking lots. If you're going to have special places for hybrid cars, and if you're also going to have plugins for electric vehicles.

752
01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:56,660
I don't know if you can answer that or not.

753
01:15:56,660 --> 01:15:57,880
Yes, if you may.

754
01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:01,880
We did this in Lake St. Louis and our intent is to do this here as well.

755
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,020
We have all the infrastructure when I say all the infrastructure.

756
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:12,340
We have the capability to add car charging stations in certain areas that we've yet to identify

757
01:16:12,340 --> 01:16:14,140
on this particular development.

758
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:19,020
This don't can, but we will certainly be doing that in this capacity during the development timeline

759
01:16:19,020 --> 01:16:26,260
And have the ability to have car charging stations at this development. Yes, ma'am. Okay, thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you.

760
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:27,000
Thank you, Ms. Duncan.

761
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:29,960
Anybody else?

762
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:37,910
I do not see any other hands of this time.

763
01:16:38,690 --> 01:16:41,790
Going on, going twice, going three times. Thank you, public.

764
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:44,570
And you don't know how much I appreciate that.

765
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:51,570
Having heard from the public, I would like to open the floor up to commissioners.

766
01:16:52,750 --> 01:17:06,290
Why don't we, if it's all right with you, commissioners, I would like to call on each one of you individually and then if you have additional questions after you've had an opportunity to ask your questions, we can come back around.

767
01:17:06,690 --> 01:17:13,350
I think under the circumstances that's a little more organized, is there anybody who's radically opposed to that?

768
01:17:15,670 --> 01:17:17,550
All right, hearing none.

769
01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:22,510
Commissioner Zippel, thoughts, comments going to Sarah?

770
01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:23,990
Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

771
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:28,610
I was planning to fill a buster tonight, but I think that's already been taking place.

772
01:17:31,470 --> 01:17:34,370
I've got a few things prepared, and I'd like to read them if that's okay.

773
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:37,630
Sure, yep. We're making a record here.

774
01:17:37,630 --> 01:17:54,770
I want to remind everyone of the intended purpose and use of the comprehensive plan and remind everyone that 26-12F, the municipal code, that an application of a major site plan must consider several issues, including but not limited to the city's plan.

775
01:17:54,770 --> 01:18:05,430
I want to point out also a statement that was made before is that the comprehensive plan was not developed in conjunction with the evolution of the previous failed vertical development.

776
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:19,610
It was a complete standalone effort. It began several years prior to its adoption in 2017 with several community engagement efforts. It had no bearing on the previous development plans.

777
01:18:20,650 --> 01:18:26,270
The opening statements on the comprehensive plan relative to its purpose and use are as follows.

778
01:18:27,310 --> 01:18:32,190
A comprehensive plan offers long-term guidance for community growth, real estate development,

779
01:18:32,830 --> 01:18:34,930
and physical improvements within the municipality.

780
01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:42,370
The document is reflective of the local community utilizing community outreach to identify a vision for the future,

781
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:44,070
supported by key stakeholders.

782
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:50,730
Based on foundational analysis, the comprehensive plan is able to identify tangible actions

783
01:18:50,730 --> 01:18:53,310
that can be enacted to achieve this vision.

784
01:18:54,150 --> 01:19:00,650
At its most basic, Crestwood's comprehensive plan is a how-to guide, assisting with land-use

785
01:19:00,650 --> 01:19:05,310
patterns, business growth, mobility, and accessibility, maintenance of community facilities

786
01:19:05,310 --> 01:19:08,310
and management of parks and recreational opportunities.

787
01:19:09,690 --> 01:19:16,570
Opportunities were offered throughout the planning process for residents to voice their opinions, provide feedback, and share ideas.

788
01:19:17,170 --> 01:19:21,930
Both in-person events and online tools were employed throughout the planning process together,

789
01:19:22,730 --> 01:19:28,450
invaluable public opinion, ensuring the comprehensive plan is representative of the community that it serves.

790
01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:35,530
The day-to-day use of the comprehensive plan will be primarily as a decision support tool for the Board of

791
01:19:35,530 --> 01:19:38,170
planning and zoning commission and city staff.

792
01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:45,050
The document does act as a guide for private investment within the community and can be utilized to review and evaluate future development.

793
01:19:45,970 --> 01:19:50,930
The vision established within the comp plan will provide direction, not only for the city itself,

794
01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:54,810
but for the numerous stakeholders who help to shape the trustwood in the future.

795
01:19:55,890 --> 01:20:03,490
I share all this because my basis for what I'm about to say all has bearing on the comprehensive plan.

796
01:20:03,490 --> 01:20:08,510
And I know that's one subset that's one part of this, but, but allow me to continue.

797
01:20:08,710 --> 01:20:10,970
I do think this is extremely important.

798
01:20:11,710 --> 01:20:19,010
Therefore, any perceived deviation from the comprehensive plan ought to be very carefully considered by this commission and by the board of alternate.

799
01:20:20,230 --> 01:20:27,790
We have a responsibility to guide the developments of the city in a manner that is reflective in the statements and opinions of our residents.

800
01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:33,550
Regarding item number one, the preliminary site plan review, in my opinion, there's been no

801
01:20:33,550 --> 01:20:39,030
acknowledgement of the work session discussions shown in the plans. In fact, the concept

802
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:47,410
site plan with color still has a date 6-821 listed, which tells me that there's been no change

803
01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:53,130
to the drawings. Topics of note that we discussed include better pedestrian connectivity,

804
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:56,530
developments that Front Watson wrote,

805
01:20:57,270 --> 01:21:01,070
primary focus on development of outdoor spaces among many other topics.

806
01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:05,350
These plans do not address those concerns and, in my opinion,

807
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:06,970
remain unresolved.

808
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:11,190
Regarding items two and three,

809
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:14,410
which relate to the changes owning district and

810
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:19,010
conditional use permit for a single family and plan to

811
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:25,510
use development. In my opinion, it changed from planned development commercial to plan

812
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:31,010
development. Development mixed use would be in keeping with the comprehensive plan. However,

813
01:21:31,670 --> 01:21:37,730
if approved and assuming these issues are linked, we are asked to consider a conditional

814
01:21:37,730 --> 01:21:48,990
use to allow only single-family residential units. The concept of plan design mixed use is to

815
01:21:48,990 --> 01:22:00,410
otherwise occur. Such in instance might be multifamily about commercial. So why then would we accept the change to plan development mixed use only then to create single family units.

816
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:08,550
The comp plan urges the city to seek a variety of housing options, which the city currently does not have.

817
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:11,430
Regarding item number four electronic message centers,

818
01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:15,050
I would say at this point this is the least of our problems this evening.

819
01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:20,150
My recommendation is denial at this point,

820
01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:26,150
and I want to thank everyone for listening and putting up with me at this time.

821
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:30,650
Thank you, Greg. I don't know what apologies are needed.

822
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:35,570
Commissioner Bundering?

823
01:22:37,990 --> 01:23:00,690
Yes, thank you, Mr. Tweety. And thank you, Greg. I think for a well thought out and well presented point of view, I also will make my comments based on my reading and understanding of the comprehensive plan of Crestwood and how it reflects, I think this community and the goals of the community and the long term.

824
01:23:00,690 --> 01:23:07,690
Which is that we're stated by the community during all the sessions where they came together to discuss and come up with this document.

825
01:23:08,810 --> 01:23:12,310
I think I think in the outreach summary part.

826
01:23:13,630 --> 01:23:21,950
I think that the plan that's been presented although I do appreciate McBride and Dearbergs for their long contribution to the same most area.

827
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:27,810
And I've been in both of their products and you know, used Dearbergs for many, many years.

828
01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:33,950
Unfortunately, I think that this particular property being where it's located and the importance

829
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:38,630
and the historical importance of it, I think it's missing a few of the marks.

830
01:23:39,010 --> 01:23:43,670
I don't think we're creating a central hub, which I think was a huge component of what

831
01:23:43,670 --> 01:23:46,730
the community wanted to develop in this area.

832
01:23:47,530 --> 01:23:50,130
I feel that it doesn't promote crestwoods identity.

833
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:56,070
I don't think it creates a sense of place, which was another thing that was brought up.

834
01:23:56,070 --> 01:24:21,910
I think by many of the community outreach I think it doesn't feel pedestrian friendly in the way it's laid out yet which I think was a huge goal that was trying to be achieved by the community and I don't feel that you know although well plan strip mall really will build momentum for quest for cross wood as a community over the long term.

835
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:29,410
I do appreciate all the hard work that's gone into this, and I appreciate the desire to develop this property.

836
01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:37,110
But at this time, I would have to agree with Commissioner Zifthel, and that I don't support what's currently being shown.

837
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:41,870
Thank you, Commissioner Bunder, and Commissioner Aversgard.

838
01:24:46,190 --> 01:24:50,450
How's it going, everybody? I apologize if I can hear my daughter's TV show on the background.

839
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:56,770
and I can, and it's too loud. Let me know and I can scoot away. You're good. You're good.

840
01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:01,890
All right. I'm also just, why have worked till 7pm, social be on soon?

841
01:25:03,550 --> 01:25:07,890
Well, I'd like that go Todd and Greg, you know, thank you to Deerberg's McBride for, you know,

842
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:09,730
all their hard work up to this point.

843
01:25:12,030 --> 01:25:16,330
I'm in a tough spot as a young 29-year-old, you know,

844
01:25:16,330 --> 01:25:19,470
five or six years out of college here, you know,

845
01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:21,210
decently knew or remember I've been on the board

846
01:25:21,210 --> 01:25:23,570
for probably about four years now.

847
01:25:26,410 --> 01:25:28,610
I see a major problem with,

848
01:25:30,850 --> 01:25:32,210
we've got them all site, you know,

849
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:35,630
it's been vacant as John pointed out,

850
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:37,170
and, you know, for eight years,

851
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:40,350
there's been 15 years of failed developments,

852
01:25:41,190 --> 01:25:42,590
and I drive by it every day,

853
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:45,430
and I see that the vacant site, and I think, man,

854
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:55,570
what the heck is going to go there, everybody goes around St. Louis, they visit Nashville, Kansas City, Austin,

855
01:25:55,830 --> 01:26:01,170
they visit all these hot cities, they see all these cool new bars and restaurants and mixed developments.

856
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:11,530
And we're a little old crestwood here in the middle of Missouri, and it's just a tough spot to imagine the future.

857
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:25,050
And so when I see deer birds and McBride, and I see the work they put into it, from my perspective, you know, while it's not perfect, and I think everybody here would say that it's not perfect.

858
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:38,710
You know, some of my main concerns around, you know, the green space, the central public green space that as we put it out at the work session definitely feels like an afterthought on some level.

859
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:46,570
I agree with Greg a lot and that I think I missed one meeting but there has been a little

860
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:53,550
bit of a lack of, you know, push and pull back and forth from some of our comments. I'm not

861
01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:58,970
as a, I don't feel strongly about the need to pull it forward to Watson or demand underground

862
01:26:58,970 --> 01:27:05,710
parking or to, you know, make, make bright home, deerburg, make bright home or kind of merge the

863
01:27:05,710 --> 01:27:31,670
development together anymore. But what I see, you know, to some kind of, all this, these thoughts up is a vacant site for the last 15 years. A lot of failed developments. Nobody's gotten this far. All of my neighbors and friends that I talked to in the area, while their number one wish probably wasn't dear birds and McBride homes.

864
01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:41,610
I am able to separate my majestic desires and see, you know, two good companies, St. Louis-based.

865
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:47,070
So, you know, Dearberg's a grocery store, the retail, the homes.

866
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:52,590
At this point, I think it will be good for Crestwood.

867
01:27:53,430 --> 01:28:00,170
And I would personally vote yes tonight, but I sounds like I may be in the minority, and I'll end it at that.

868
01:28:00,170 --> 01:28:04,910
So, thank you, Commissioner's ever, ever's your, Commissioner Markord.

869
01:28:08,290 --> 01:28:16,230
Thank you, Chairman, so we need. I was unable to, for two work conflicts to attend,

870
01:28:16,350 --> 01:28:25,610
both of the work sessions. So my understanding and knowledge of what was presented at those

871
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:35,030
accessions was what I received over email communications and then reviewing what were revisions

872
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:43,850
or after hearing some of my fellow commissioners revisions maybe that weren't included in an

873
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:51,550
updated site plan. But being a comprehensive plan or being on the commission because I am a

874
01:28:51,550 --> 01:28:56,750
language, comprehensive planner and make strategic plans for communities,

875
01:28:59,310 --> 01:29:00,650
I feel like one

876
01:29:00,650 --> 01:29:07,190
I was involved in the planning process as a crescent resident that what I was presented

877
01:29:07,190 --> 01:29:13,750
with today and in a little bit, this is the mark a little bit on the comprehensive plan.

878
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:20,690
and I would, would I go commissioner, Zifo and Blundrends comments in that degree.

879
01:29:22,030 --> 01:29:32,750
But I, but I will also say, like commissioner, Everskirts said that that, that this is, this is a

880
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:43,110
difficult site, and this is a, a, a good effort, but I, I think, I think I, I, it could be better in

881
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:46,410
more of the mark of the copyhands of plan.

882
01:29:49,130 --> 01:29:51,490
I have probably some some questions that were

883
01:29:51,490 --> 01:29:56,070
probably answered or gone over during some of those other meetings.

884
01:29:58,710 --> 01:29:59,550
I was I was

885
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,280
As a sort of a meeting center, as a sort of was discussed as a, as a note, as a meeting place,

886
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,080
that we've discussed in the Caribbean's plans for the site.

887
01:30:18,380 --> 01:30:23,560
Yeah, I think I think I have a lot of other questions, but there may be dipping into the

888
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:28,240
some minutia. I don't know if I could talk about those now or say that for another time.

889
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:33,300
But I'm going to move on to Commissioner Millford or some of my other

890
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:34,220
commissioners at this point.

891
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:35,240
Thank you.

892
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,200
Commissioner Millford.

893
01:30:39,580 --> 01:30:42,440
Well, I appreciate what everyone else is saying.

894
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:43,260
I agree.

895
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:51,520
You know, my concerns because I'm not a landscape architect or a architect.

896
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:57,800
But I was involved with the community engagement for the comprehensive plan.

897
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,200
And I know that the things that kept rising to the top

898
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:04,040
were pedestrian connectivity, a public gathering space.

899
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,120
I agree with you all that some of those things

900
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,220
do miss the mark.

901
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,240
But I also believe that perfect is the enemy of the good, too.

902
01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:16,380
And this is an incredibly challenging

903
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,320
site as far as the topography goes.

904
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:23,560
We've been told repeatedly that we're not close enough

905
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,720
to an interstate, on ramp, exit ramp, et cetera.

906
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:37,100
You know, nobody's lining up to develop this site, so while it's not perfect,

907
01:31:39,580 --> 01:31:56,700
I think that I'm prepared to give it the thumbs up because I don't want to see that empty deteriorating, you know, central part of our community for several more years.

908
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:57,880
to come quite frankly.

909
01:32:00,740 --> 01:32:04,100
Thank you, Commissioner Melford, Commissioner Wilkinson.

910
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:07,760
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

911
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:14,640
I guess I'm going to kind of echo some of the comments that we've heard previously from Commissioner

912
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:23,320
Zipful, Commissioner Mayer-Core, Commissioner Bondron. I was mostly disappointed in reviewing

913
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:30,560
all this material in the past week that I didn't really see any changes to the site from our

914
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:36,840
from our work session and to be honest I don't feel like the comments that we shared at our

915
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,920
work session were really considered.

916
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:47,980
I think that overall the site plan is not a cohesive unified

917
01:32:47,980 --> 01:32:55,120
side plan. I think it's very divided very clearly. Even in the applicant's own presentation,

918
01:32:55,400 --> 01:33:01,000
you know, there's a referral to the Dearberg side, the McBride side. It's very obviously split.

919
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:08,180
When I think mixed use, even if I think horizontal mixed use, this is not what I think of.

920
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:16,680
This is two uses. It's not very mixed, it's separate. So to me, that really misses the mark.

921
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:28,540
And then, again, I'll comment briefly on the comprehensive plan, you know, I strongly agree that we need to support that comprehensive plan.

922
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:37,420
I know it's one element of what we're considering, but this, you know, there's a lot of time that went into that, a lot of public input that went into that.

923
01:33:37,420 --> 01:33:43,580
And I think this misses the mark on that aspect as well, you know, one thing that's stuck

924
01:33:43,580 --> 01:33:48,600
out over and over when I read through the comprehensive plan is this reference to this

925
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:55,520
site as a central hub, you know, Crestwood, unfortunately, doesn't have a really good town

926
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:03,320
square or traditional mainstream, you know, Watson is our main street and this has so much

927
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:10,460
to be the central hub as the complaint calls it and I think it's just not there.

928
01:34:13,690 --> 01:34:14,650
I don't think

929
01:34:14,650 --> 01:34:23,270
also that this site plan really promotes Crestwood's identity. We saw a video of a Lake St. Louis

930
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:30,550
development that is going to look just like this, right? So that's not Crestwood. I think there

931
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:39,670
could be more that brings out our city character, aesthetically, spatially, I think that's just

932
01:34:39,670 --> 01:34:45,070
the unfortunately, that's a miss. I'm really impressed with the connectivity of the site

933
01:34:45,070 --> 01:34:50,750
plan, honestly. I love the fact that it's connecting to grants trail. To me, that's a huge

934
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:57,290
many for our city, and I'm glad it's being capitalized on. I also had to compliment the applicant

935
01:34:57,290 --> 01:35:04,510
on the sidewalks throughout everywhere, especially on Watson that's definitely needed, and I think

936
01:35:04,510 --> 01:35:10,530
that's great. So they're hitting the mark on that. But there's also a lot of unknowns throughout

937
01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:17,910
this site plan. So all of the outlots, all of the phase two stuff. It's very hard to

938
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:25,950
give an honest kind of evaluation of this overall site plan when half of it is still to be determined.

939
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:33,230
And that's a challenge, that's just the reality, but we have to put up with it and understand

940
01:35:33,230 --> 01:35:38,330
that those certain elements of that are built into the development agreement and hopefully

941
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:43,150
they can come pretty quickly, but we need to see what those are going to look like.

942
01:35:43,330 --> 01:35:50,010
This is one site right now, and we're only seeing part of it.

943
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:55,230
The public spaces all echo the comments again. I'm some of my fellow commissioners

944
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:59,070
Their their leftover spaces. They're not

945
01:35:59,770 --> 01:36:10,210
You know the images showed clearly that a lot of it is you know outdoor dining space and that's not all that we need as far as a gathering space as far as the public spaces

946
01:36:12,130 --> 01:36:18,870
I just I think there could be a lot more done. I think you know potentially if a couple of lots were removed by gathering space

947
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:26,910
I forget the letters, but the one that's pretty centrally located there, you could do a lot more with that space.

948
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:30,390
So to me, that's a little bit disappointing.

949
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:38,130
I guess that kind of summarizes my feelings on it.

950
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:40,510
Thank you, Commissioner Wilkinson.

951
01:36:42,770 --> 01:36:45,230
I don't want to sound pandering.

952
01:36:46,010 --> 01:36:50,850
I would say, I think, dear birds and McBride,

953
01:36:51,930 --> 01:36:53,850
Drew and Jeannie did an excellent job.

954
01:36:54,090 --> 01:36:56,570
I appreciate everything that they've done,

955
01:36:57,430 --> 01:37:01,510
the fact that they are long time, local, well-respected,

956
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:06,130
corporate citizens of the area is wonderful,

957
01:37:06,130 --> 01:37:22,190
But to echo what others have said, I think what I feel disappointed about is that the issues that we raised in these work sessions, I don't think they were ever addressed.

958
01:37:22,190 --> 01:37:30,130
And I don't mind somebody telling me that my suggestions, requests, concerns are full of

959
01:37:30,130 --> 01:37:38,630
malarguing, and they're impossible to implement, but I feel like we weren't heard, or if

960
01:37:38,630 --> 01:37:40,970
we were heard, we were somewhat ignored.

961
01:37:43,010 --> 01:37:49,870
The idea of that Commissioner Zip fell mentioned about budding up closer to Watson Road was

962
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:57,530
it's part of the comprehensive plan. It was something that we raised in one of the work sessions.

963
01:37:57,530 --> 01:38:01,730
I wasn't able to make the second one, but in the first one, in maybe it's impossible.

964
01:38:01,730 --> 01:38:08,250
but no one has told me why it wasn't addressed.

965
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:16,130
I also am concerned and I apologize, I don't remember which commissioner mentioned it.

966
01:38:17,530 --> 01:38:31,230
But this looks like two uses and the mixture is lacking. Commissioner Zippo mentioned the notion of residential above commercial

967
01:38:31,230 --> 01:39:01,210
which is something that we were interested in, that having been said, this is a hole, it's dangerous, it's blighted, it's all those things that everyone has said, I just in the end think that I need someone to explain to me why we are going to

968
01:39:01,210 --> 01:39:05,530
in my opinion, ignore significant portions

969
01:39:05,530 --> 01:39:09,370
of our comprehensive plan as Greg indicated

970
01:39:09,370 --> 01:39:13,370
that we worked long and hard on as a stand-alone document.

971
01:39:14,650 --> 01:39:19,610
I need someone to explain to me why we're going to ignore it

972
01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:20,950
to the extent that we are.

973
01:39:21,710 --> 01:39:27,230
And I'm extremely appreciative of the difficult work

974
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:37,610
that everyone has put in and not, again, sound pandering, but so have we, as commissioners,

975
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:47,610
and we, I think, tried to listen to the public, we presented a comprehensive plan that

976
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:56,290
was approved by the city after I think, you know, a lot of work that we put in and I don't

977
01:39:56,290 --> 01:40:02,930
know if it's appropriate. I think it is that we can check with the Parliamentarian. I would

978
01:40:02,930 --> 01:40:12,930
really like to table this issue and get some responses to what I think are the consistent

979
01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:22,590
questions of the commissioners that we think have not been answered. I'm uncomfortable rejecting

980
01:40:22,590 --> 01:40:30,830
this proposal without having answers to some of those questions. But at this exact moment,

981
01:40:31,450 --> 01:40:38,470
if I was asked to vote on this, I'm going to vote no. And I don't want to vote no.

982
01:40:39,970 --> 01:40:47,310
So I think that we could entertain a motion to table this. I will defer to the parliamentarian

983
01:40:47,310 --> 01:40:56,990
with regard to that, and comments from the staff. So before I open this issue up to the public, again,

984
01:40:57,150 --> 01:41:02,150
if the public wishes to speak, I would I would like to have a ruling on whether or not

985
01:41:02,150 --> 01:41:07,910
tabling this issue is appropriate. Obviously, I can't tabulate myself, but if it's not appropriate,

986
01:41:08,010 --> 01:41:13,830
I don't want to present it to the commissioners. Mr. Chairman, could I be heard for just a moment?

987
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:16,790
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is Brian Malones.

988
01:41:17,050 --> 01:41:19,050
I'm sorry. I think so.

989
01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:26,910
Okay. I guess two things since you raised the issue of tabling and I wanted to just make a statement about

990
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:30,230
since most of you mentioned the comprehensive plan tonight.

991
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:34,890
I don't intend my remarks to be a response to anything that has been said previously,

992
01:41:35,150 --> 01:41:40,810
but just because the comprehensive plan has come up pretty consistently with all the commissioners.

993
01:41:40,810 --> 01:41:47,290
I wanted to make sure we all have a clear understanding of the legal purpose of the comprehensive plan.

994
01:41:48,750 --> 01:42:00,130
What the courts that have interpreted the statutes requiring a comprehensive plan have said is that the comprehensive plan is intended to be a guide to development rather than an instrument to control land use.

995
01:42:00,510 --> 01:42:03,710
It's not considered a zoning document should not be used as such.

996
01:42:03,710 --> 01:42:13,550
It's meant to be updated and changed as conditions and policies warrant, and that I think

997
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:19,630
your role as commissioners, the focus should be on the general goals of the comprehensive

998
01:42:19,630 --> 01:42:26,170
plan rather than viewing the statements in the comprehensive plan as a checklist or anything

999
01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:32,670
sort of legalistic that must be met for every site or area discussed in the plan.

1000
01:42:33,710 --> 01:42:49,770
You mentioned the issue of tabling the applications, I'm aware that we have, for that there are apparently some fairly hard deadlines that the developers have.

1001
01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:56,650
My understanding is that the staff's preferences that there are our votes taken this evening is possible.

1002
01:42:56,650 --> 01:43:02,290
So if there were to, if the commission feels they simply can't, based on the information that

1003
01:43:02,290 --> 01:43:08,370
they have available to it, I would suggest that we perhaps give the developer an opportunity

1004
01:43:08,370 --> 01:43:08,990
to comment.

1005
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:15,270
And if a later meeting has to be scheduled, I think we would need to schedule it probably next

1006
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:17,530
week at the latest if we can.

1007
01:43:20,450 --> 01:43:21,930
I'm available tomorrow.

1008
01:43:28,650 --> 01:43:49,170
So I take that as, that we do have the authority to table this, but before I would ask for a vote on that, I absolutely would offer the applicants and opportunity to address what we've said and as much of our concerns as they can.

1009
01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:57,450
And if, if tabling this very short period of time is appropriate, I would, we would continue

1010
01:43:57,450 --> 01:44:02,190
this hearing and we can schedule a special meeting, you know, at the earliest opportunity

1011
01:44:02,190 --> 01:44:06,890
for a majority of us to be for for a quorum of us to be available.

1012
01:44:07,450 --> 01:44:15,970
So with that said, Drew or Jeannie, I don't know if you want to chat with us now or not,

1013
01:44:15,970 --> 01:44:25,430
after our comments. I meant mine with all the respect, but I'm happy to hear from you, and I'm

1014
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:26,650
sure all the commissioners are.

1015
01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:30,420
If you'd like to.

1016
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,120
Chairman, Sweet, this is Brett Poem, where I'm Vice President Real Estate for these Greek

1017
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:42,220
Marshall Real Estate. I've been here as, I'm sorry, I'm not doing this forever. I've been here

1018
01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:48,220
taking notes and listening and I also was at the last work session and I know some of the folks

1019
01:44:48,220 --> 01:44:50,380
I think quite frankly, your self-included

1020
01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:51,960
were not at our last foreccession.

1021
01:44:53,020 --> 01:44:54,900
And certainly there can be different opinions

1022
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:58,600
in terms of the controlling nature versus the guiding principles

1023
01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:59,980
of the comprehensive plan.

1024
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,280
The one thing that I do that I want to address because I think it's inaccurate, frankly, is the statement that we did not respond to certain concerns that were brought up in most recent work session.

1025
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:26,400
I don't believe that's accurate and specifically notions of ideas that were brought up in that work session, including but not limited to reorienting buildings along Watson Road, raising the topography of the site,

1026
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:31,180
dedicating more public, more of the outlots to public space,

1027
01:45:31,580 --> 01:45:33,640
we address those had on and quite honestly.

1028
01:45:33,940 --> 01:45:38,020
I think the last thing that I said in that work session is,

1029
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:40,340
those may or may not all be great ideas,

1030
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,320
but they're not economically feasible.

1031
01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:45,120
And for our development to work,

1032
01:45:46,260 --> 01:45:48,480
we just simply can't do that as an example,

1033
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,780
not the only reason that as an example,

1034
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,260
the math that we have behind raising this site

1035
01:45:54,260 --> 01:45:58,740
one foot, for every foot that we would try to raise the site,

1036
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,320
which would be necessary in order to reorient buildings.

1037
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:06,220
You're looking at an expense between a half a million to a million dollars,

1038
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:09,140
and either fill and or combinations of fill and walls.

1039
01:46:09,860 --> 01:46:12,180
And so that just adds up very, very quickly.

1040
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:13,840
So that's the only thing that I want to address.

1041
01:46:14,900 --> 01:46:19,460
I don't think this evening is the time to necessarily get an argument

1042
01:46:19,460 --> 01:46:25,860
but the notion that we didn't listen or that we didn't have feedback, I think that's an inaccurate

1043
01:46:26,620 --> 01:46:32,720
characterization. And certainly it's, you know, the purview for you guys to do what you would like

1044
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:39,400
to do this evening from our perspective. And I think the city attorney mentioned it. We are on a very,

1045
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:45,900
very tight timeline. We've been working on this project since December of last year. We've made

1046
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:51,760
significant strides. I think there's quite a bit of heavy lifting yet to do. Given that timeline though,

1047
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,360
it would absolutely be art for others so there to be a vote on this project received.

1048
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,640
That's all that I have. Thank you. And I do appreciate your time consideration as well.

1049
01:47:01,260 --> 01:47:06,560
Thank you, Brett. And the only thing that I would say to that is we've been doing a lot of work

1050
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:12,060
on this for a long time also. And so I understand timelines. This commission has

1051
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:17,540
because it extremely flexible in terms of scheduling meetings, scheduling special meetings.

1052
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,380
And we want this project to go forward.

1053
01:47:22,060 --> 01:47:28,080
And so I recognize timelines and I recognize hard work and heavy lifting.

1054
01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:32,420
And there's lots of people on this screen today that have done that.

1055
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:35,120
Any other comments from the applicant?

1056
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:56,990
is the commission did in table in this matter or would you like to have discussion on that issue I brought it up sort of out of whole cloth so if any of the commissioners have any thought with regard to that.

1057
01:47:57,290 --> 01:48:02,190
I chime in real quick before we make any motion to table or vote or.

1058
01:48:02,190 --> 01:48:08,470
spring. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just speaking out loud, you know, maybe to Greg, to Jordan, to Todd,

1059
01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:14,970
to you, Chairman Sweeney, like, um, I know how I internalize, you know, balancing the

1060
01:48:14,970 --> 01:48:20,750
compound versus deer versus McBride versus what I hear for what I want and you know,

1061
01:48:20,770 --> 01:48:28,870
you know, you guys think the compound is your number one resource for balancing how we approach

1062
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:35,690
the Crestwood Mall site, how do you balance the ultimate vision to 15 years of failed developments

1063
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:40,070
versus not the perfect site plan like Anos pointed out.

1064
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:45,190
It's more of an internal discussion, but I'd be curious how you guys balanced that in your

1065
01:48:45,190 --> 01:48:50,070
head and approach these decisions, you guys are ultimately kind of articulating tonight.

1066
01:48:50,070 --> 01:49:03,810
And I'd like to add, too, it's like, again, we have to be careful not to have tunnel vision because we are representing our words really and what our fellow community members want.

1067
01:49:04,730 --> 01:49:15,330
And so, you know, the community members may not be as tied up and some of the same concerns that some of you all have expressed tonight, right?

1068
01:49:16,170 --> 01:49:27,270
They might not understand, you know, I hear what all of you are saying, okay, about a mixed use and this doesn't look like a mixed use, right?

1069
01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:42,970
It does feel separate, but, you know, if our community members feel that they can walk up there, connect into the site, get some groceries, go watch a restaurant, run errands,

1070
01:49:42,970 --> 01:49:46,350
What other retail spaces are going to be there,

1071
01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:50,990
they're going to be happy with it.

1072
01:49:51,450 --> 01:49:58,390
And so I don't think we need to get tied up and not about a comprehensive plan derail

1073
01:49:58,390 --> 01:50:03,810
a project, and then how will the rest of the community feel about that?

1074
01:50:04,030 --> 01:50:10,650
I mean, I live here for 25 years, I remember when that was a thriving space, it was a big

1075
01:50:10,650 --> 01:50:19,290
see of parking lot. It was a mall okay but the whole community felt different when you had a thriving

1076
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:29,750
thriving businesses in that location and I think having that space to hold again with people living

1077
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:36,570
there and people shopping there will change the whole face of our community and I I want

1078
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:42,930
to just not think solely about some of the things that you all have mentioned,

1079
01:50:43,130 --> 01:50:46,250
to think about how will the rest of our citizens in Crestwood feel?

1080
01:50:47,370 --> 01:50:53,290
I guess the only thing I would say to that, Anne, is that that's one of the reasons I

1081
01:50:53,290 --> 01:50:58,090
said what I did is because I think that's what the rest of the citizens of Crestwood have told

1082
01:50:58,090 --> 01:51:03,390
us in the long run-up to our comprehensive plan.

1083
01:51:03,390 --> 01:51:11,270
And I think we had a lot of community input with regard to that.

1084
01:51:11,390 --> 01:51:19,170
So that's definitely, you know, that I think we kind of are.

1085
01:51:19,670 --> 01:51:21,070
I mean, I agree.

1086
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:23,030
It's not perfect.

1087
01:51:27,810 --> 01:51:31,810
But it's, you know, like I said, perfect because the enemy of the good.

1088
01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:36,340
I agree.

1089
01:51:36,340 --> 01:51:37,260
What did you say?

1090
01:51:37,740 --> 01:51:38,480
I agree.

1091
01:51:38,900 --> 01:51:41,800
No, I mean, can you walk?

1092
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,240
Is it walkable?

1093
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:43,600
Yes.

1094
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,820
There are pedestrian walkways across the space.

1095
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:50,660
They say it's going to connect to Grands Trail.

1096
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,240
Now, that's a big question.

1097
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:53,820
That is kind of a question mark for me.

1098
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,200
You can't just slap a bridge down over that creek.

1099
01:51:57,480 --> 01:52:00,880
So I wonder about the approaches and making that accessible.

1100
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,680
the people who use a wheelchair or walk or whatever.

1101
01:52:06,380 --> 01:52:10,860
But I think it addresses enough of the things

1102
01:52:10,860 --> 01:52:21,520
that the community says in once. And I believe we need thriving active space for the rest

1103
01:52:23,660 --> 01:52:33,000
of

1104
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:38,920
nature of what we're talking about. And the hard work of all involved and I can understand

1105
01:52:39,780 --> 01:52:44,380
where Commissioner Milford and Everskirt are coming from and I completely understand

1106
01:52:44,380 --> 01:52:48,940
one as much as anybody else. I think in this community for this development to be successful

1107
01:52:48,940 --> 01:52:53,380
in the move forward and and and and I would say that at the end of the day it's going to be

1108
01:52:53,380 --> 01:52:58,340
elected officials who were elected by their by their ward and their citizens that are going

1109
01:52:58,340 --> 01:53:03,420
make the ultimate decision and they've, and those elected officials have asked us to sit on this

1110
01:53:03,420 --> 01:53:09,620
board as, you know, with certain expertise in the field to give our opinions on what we see

1111
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:15,480
having, you know, 20, some odd years in, you know, architecture and other things like that in development.

1112
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:21,180
And, and I would also say that, you know, that thriving center you spoke of across what I grew up there,

1113
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,600
right? I mean, I remember stories of when it was an open air mall. I spent a lot of time there.

1114
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:34,260
And it was you would park, yeah, but then you would go inside and walk around and have different experiences, very pedestrian friendly, but it was organizing them all, I get it.

1115
01:53:34,580 --> 01:53:50,940
And I just, I guess I would suggest that although I completely understand and I agree, I do think that we can't turn our backs on the comprehensive plan because that was, I think in many ways, was a forward-looking document, was a forward-looking effort.

1116
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:56,940
And I'm just afraid that, you know, being an inner ring, suburb, and if you look at some

1117
01:53:56,940 --> 01:54:02,800
of the other ones that are in the same misery around us, I just ask, you know, is this

1118
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:07,800
a development that you would see maybe in a community that's trying to create a sense of

1119
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:13,160
a central hub or or a sense of community, you know, is it really going to be something that

1120
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:19,040
people come to from outside of our community to bring their resources to and to engage in?

1121
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:42,380
I just, I worry that it's going to end up being, I mean, no offense, I think it's like I said it was well done, but just another strip mall along Watson. And I don't know if the draw really is going to be as dramatic as everyone thinks, but once again, I said, it's a very difficult decision, and, and I completely understand where I'm coming from and, and, and, you know, just, we'll see.

1122
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:50,440
Thank you, Commissioner Bundering, any other Commissioner comments?

1123
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:57,400
Chairman Sweeney, don't forget about all the rink Kennedy. He's usually not quite this long.

1124
01:54:57,580 --> 01:55:01,440
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see a hand. I'm sorry. Sorry. All the rink Kennedy.

1125
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:03,680
Thanks, Chairman Sweeney.

1126
01:55:03,940 --> 01:55:04,800
I apologize.

1127
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:10,600
No, it's all good. Certainly appreciate Drew and Geneva's presentation.

1128
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:18,840
Jenin. John Cruiser's summary was great. I certainly respect everyone's opinion on the commission.

1129
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:26,470
And every time, you know, whether it's Greg or Bob or Todd or Jordan or Brandon or

1130
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:34,640
Jeff or Ann Speaks or Andrew, I'm like, oh, yeah, I agree with them. Yeah, the brand is right.

1131
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:43,980
Now, Bob's right. I mean, everyone makes great points, can't disagree with really anything that anyone said.

1132
01:55:45,220 --> 01:55:53,360
It does feel like a couple different developments. I get it. I know it's the side of this challenging.

1133
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:57,980
And I kind of like the connectivity sidewalks.

1134
01:55:58,740 --> 01:56:00,480
That's a good start.

1135
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:02,820
I like the bridge to Grands Trail.

1136
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:03,600
That's neat.

1137
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:06,740
I think the homes all their linear.

1138
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:13,480
I think there's enough variety there to be attractive

1139
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:16,620
to the residents and future residents of Presswood.

1140
01:56:16,980 --> 01:56:17,780
I think that's great.

1141
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,020
Looking at the deer birds, development,

1142
01:56:21,020 --> 01:56:28,760
who doesn't love Deerberg's great product, great developer, it is really neat having

1143
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:37,380
two long times in most firms, you know, being the anchors, you know, they're not, I mean,

1144
01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:45,060
they're really the, they're an owner user. And having that bring the certainty to this development,

1145
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:51,000
there's no risk that this is not going to happen, which is fantastic. That was

1146
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:57,000
the challenge with Urban Street and with Walpers Plan, it's just you're relying on the signatures

1147
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,020
of other tenants.

1148
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:06,800
I think we're, I think we're close. I think there's, there's some, I think

1149
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:13,800
there's enough pieces here that make it really attractive. I would really like to see the town center

1150
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:20,920
feel, thrive, and pop, and be more of a major focus of this development.

1151
01:57:21,660 --> 01:57:23,340
I think it could be there.

1152
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:31,320
You know, when we were talking amongst some friends there today, we're talking about this

1153
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:36,260
water feature and this 12,000 square foot plaza, and if you think about it, I mean, it could be

1154
01:57:36,260 --> 01:57:53,000
pretty cool. I mean, if you put a lid over the fountain and had a concert have a ban on the on the lid and have surrounded by, you know, thousands of residents enjoying the public site, that could be pretty cool.

1155
01:57:53,000 --> 01:58:01,100
It feels disconnected. I think I think it can be solved and maybe there's just another iteration

1156
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:07,520
of this plan that could really, really be cool as a as a town center feel. I love the idea of

1157
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:15,960
having a couple local restaurants surrounding the public square with outdoor seating. I think that's

1158
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:21,180
all, you know, I think we're close. And I'm not sure what the commission wants to do, but you know,

1159
01:58:21,180 --> 01:58:24,740
I think maybe a homework assignment for

1160
01:58:24,740 --> 01:58:26,820
Deerberg's and McBride would be in order,

1161
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,560
but I think they've done a pretty

1162
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,920
commendable job with this difficult site.

1163
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,080
I think we made, I do think we make great progress.

1164
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:42,280
And I do respect Brett's comments about the economic challenges

1165
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:45,440
of this site and the $500,000 to $1,000 to $1,000

1166
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:49,380
per foot to raise it, et cetera, it definitely is challenging.

1167
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:52,380
I think we all can grasp that.

1168
01:58:53,420 --> 01:58:55,020
So I think we're close.

1169
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,880
And I would encourage the commission to maybe,

1170
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:01,480
you know, do we want to do that?

1171
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:04,280
I think it's, I think we are making progress.

1172
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:05,380
I think they have listened.

1173
01:59:06,420 --> 01:59:09,440
It's not perfect, but I think it's exciting.

1174
01:59:10,220 --> 01:59:14,320
And I think it's going to be something that the community is going to love.

1175
01:59:14,980 --> 01:59:18,060
But maybe it's just a little more homework to do.

1176
01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:24,460
It will be there. Thank you. Thanks, Alderman. Any other comments from the commissioners?

1177
01:59:27,450 --> 01:59:33,110
Well, just, I just have one side note about the, um, any of the public space that

1178
01:59:35,730 --> 01:59:42,430
that needs to be activated and programmed. So I did have a question about, you know,

1179
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:47,730
somebody's got to take responsibility for programming that space. Like where's the money for a band

1180
01:59:47,730 --> 01:59:51,710
going to come where you're going to get money for a concert series, et cetera, you know,

1181
01:59:51,730 --> 01:59:56,530
that's something that's got to be considered by the city, or, you know, maybe worked

1182
01:59:56,530 --> 01:59:59,970
into that agreement with the plan.

1183
02:00:18,180 --> 02:00:28,600
So I don't know if this is an appropriate time for somebody to consideration, that's all.

1184
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:43,140
In light of the applicant's comments, I'm not going to request a motion to table this.

1185
02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:47,640
John, let's move forward with the vote on this.

1186
02:00:47,740 --> 02:00:49,520
You are going to present these.

1187
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:55,560
I think each of the seven elements need to be presented and let's move forward with that.

1188
02:00:55,560 --> 02:01:06,860
That's correct, Mr. Chairman, and what we will need from you right now is a motion to open the voting on the seven items required to pass a preliminary development plan.

1189
02:01:06,940 --> 02:01:09,280
I would entertain that motion at this time.

1190
02:01:13,340 --> 02:01:14,200
I'll second.

1191
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:17,340
For that where we are.

1192
02:01:18,700 --> 02:01:19,880
You would be the primary.

1193
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:21,140
You would be the primary.

1194
02:01:22,020 --> 02:01:24,620
To give you a mission-milford.

1195
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:27,360
I'll make that motion then.

1196
02:01:28,260 --> 02:01:30,320
I'm sorry, who was that?

1197
02:01:30,340 --> 02:01:31,520
I'll second for a minute.

1198
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:33,200
Thank you.

1199
02:01:33,540 --> 02:01:35,600
So the motion by Commissioner Millford

1200
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:36,800
and Secretary by Commissioner Rivers,

1201
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:42,280
girders to open the voting on the seven criteria

1202
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,580
and necessary for the approval of a planned development.

1203
02:01:47,020 --> 02:01:50,520
Jeff, in light of the import of this,

1204
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:52,460
would you do a roll call vote on this?

1205
02:01:54,460 --> 02:01:55,140
Yes, absolutely.

1206
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:57,920
I want to move a little slow, I apologize.

1207
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:11,820
That's all right. All right, John, can you say that someone else? All right. So step one is the environmental design and the development of the end.

1208
02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:18,000
I'm sorry Jeff, this is just a vote on this. Sorry, I apologize. Yeah, if you could just do a roll call on that.

1209
02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:20,860
Yes. Chairman Swingy. Yes.

1210
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:23,220
Commissioner Zipfell.

1211
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:30,180
Grad, you may be muted.

1212
02:02:32,830 --> 02:02:33,130
Yes.

1213
02:02:33,610 --> 02:02:34,210
Thank you.

1214
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:36,090
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1215
02:02:36,930 --> 02:02:37,010
Yes.

1216
02:02:38,290 --> 02:02:38,950
Commissioner Milford.

1217
02:02:39,650 --> 02:02:40,030
Yes.

1218
02:02:40,630 --> 02:02:41,290
Commissioner Bundern.

1219
02:02:42,150 --> 02:02:42,530
Yes.

1220
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:43,570
Commissioner Evergreen.

1221
02:02:44,250 --> 02:02:44,610
Yes.

1222
02:02:45,410 --> 02:02:45,950
Commissioner Michael.

1223
02:02:46,730 --> 02:02:47,030
Yes.

1224
02:02:47,890 --> 02:02:49,310
Sorry, do you have seven hours?

1225
02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:50,070
That's seven.

1226
02:02:50,970 --> 02:02:51,570
John.

1227
02:02:58,570 --> 02:03:04,410
So for members of the public and anybody else attending this is the report that will be submitted to the board.

1228
02:03:04,410 --> 02:03:07,790
of all of them regarding the votes for the planned development.

1229
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:11,070
As I stated earlier, there are seven criteria that must be met.

1230
02:03:11,370 --> 02:03:15,790
Those criteria are all listed here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

1231
02:03:16,130 --> 02:03:19,350
Following that, there is a space for comments.

1232
02:03:19,590 --> 02:03:22,650
These are the official comments that will be put into the record for the report.

1233
02:03:23,130 --> 02:03:28,450
Following that, there will be the actual vote on the plan overall, and as previously stated

1234
02:03:28,450 --> 02:03:32,590
while it needs to meet at least two of these seven criteria that we see the vote for

1235
02:03:32,590 --> 02:03:38,230
recommendation for approval. It could receive I for all seven of them and the recommendation

1236
02:03:38,230 --> 02:03:45,350
still be to not approve the development plan. So at this time, while the voting has been open,

1237
02:03:46,190 --> 02:03:51,510
now we will ask the clerk to call a roll for items one through seven in order and he's what we

1238
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:52,570
will call votes.

1239
02:03:57,220 --> 02:03:59,920
Can everybody see that or would it be easier if I read them off?

1240
02:04:01,420 --> 02:04:05,240
We can see him, but I think for the record, if you wouldn't mind reading each

1241
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:10,740
question. I just think it's better to make the record. Absolutely. All right. For the first one,

1242
02:04:10,820 --> 02:04:16,540
environmental design and the development of land, that is of a higher quality than is possible

1243
02:04:16,540 --> 02:04:23,300
under the regulations otherwise applicable to the property. Chairman Sweeney? Yes.

1244
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,340
Commissioner Zipfel? Yes.

1245
02:04:28,540 --> 02:04:33,580
Commissioner Wilkinson? Yes. Commissioner Milford? Yes.

1246
02:04:33,580 --> 02:04:43,180
Commissioner Bunderon? Yes. Commissioner Myercord? Yes. Commissioner Everskord? Yes.

1247
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,280
That's seven eyes. So, have a nice on the first one.

1248
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,430
On the second one, I have

1249
02:04:51,620 --> 02:05:00,000
Deversification in the uses, permit it in variation and relationship of uses structures, open space, and height of structures,

1250
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,900
in development intended as cohesive unified projects.

1251
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:06,920
Chairman Sweeney.

1252
02:05:06,920 --> 02:05:07,260
No.

1253
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:10,240
Commissioner Zipfoh.

1254
02:05:10,980 --> 02:05:11,180
Oh.

1255
02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:14,420
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1256
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:14,980
No.

1257
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:16,980
Commissioner Milford.

1258
02:05:18,260 --> 02:05:18,680
Yes.

1259
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:22,260
Commissioner Bundern.

1260
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:22,660
No.

1261
02:05:23,820 --> 02:05:24,800
Commissioner Myrchord.

1262
02:05:25,580 --> 02:05:25,720
No.

1263
02:05:27,020 --> 02:05:27,900
Commissioner Everskord.

1264
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:29,240
Yes.

1265
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:32,960
That is 5-2 in the name

1266
02:05:36,230 --> 02:05:44,170
number 3, functional and beneficial uses of open space areas.

1267
02:05:45,870 --> 02:05:47,450
Chairman Sweeney.

1268
02:05:50,980 --> 02:05:52,120
Commissioner Zifo.

1269
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:53,040
No.

1270
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,220
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1271
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:56,440
No.

1272
02:05:58,460 --> 02:05:59,120
Commissioner Milford.

1273
02:05:59,660 --> 02:05:59,940
Yes.

1274
02:06:02,420 --> 02:06:03,200
Commissioner Bundern.

1275
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:06,880
No, Commissioner Mirehord.

1276
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:10,480
Commissioner Mirehord.

1277
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:11,620
Yes.

1278
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:14,440
That's five-two in the name.

1279
02:06:21,390 --> 02:06:22,150
Number four.

1280
02:06:22,510 --> 02:06:25,950
Preservation of the natural features of a development site.

1281
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:28,250
Chairman Sweeney.

1282
02:06:28,490 --> 02:06:28,830
Yes.

1283
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:32,160
Excuse me.

1284
02:06:32,380 --> 02:06:33,160
Commissioner Ziftho?

1285
02:06:33,780 --> 02:06:34,020
Yes.

1286
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:36,500
Commissioner Wilkinson?

1287
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:37,340
Yes.

1288
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,100
Commissioner Milford?

1289
02:06:40,500 --> 02:06:40,920
Yes.

1290
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,800
Commissioner Meyer-Cord?

1291
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:45,280
Yes.

1292
02:06:45,940 --> 02:06:47,040
Thank you.

1293
02:06:47,420 --> 02:06:48,520
Commissioner Bundern?

1294
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:49,180
Yes.

1295
02:06:50,420 --> 02:06:51,140
Commissioner Evergreen?

1296
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:52,140
Yes.

1297
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:55,460
That is 72 in the A.

1298
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:06,480
Number 5, creation of a safe and desirable living environment for residential areas,

1299
02:07:07,460 --> 02:07:07,460
characterized

1300
02:07:09,500 --> 02:07:14,440
by unified building and site development program.

1301
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:18,200
Okay, Chairman Sweeney.

1302
02:07:20,980 --> 02:07:22,220
Commissioner Zipthong.

1303
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:23,320
Uh-oh.

1304
02:07:24,540 --> 02:07:25,640
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1305
02:07:25,660 --> 02:07:26,080
No.

1306
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:28,260
Commissioner Milford.

1307
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:29,220
Yes.

1308
02:07:30,820 --> 02:07:31,720
Commissioner Bunjorn.

1309
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:32,720
No.

1310
02:07:34,970 --> 02:07:35,690
Commissioner Michael.

1311
02:07:36,510 --> 02:07:36,930
Yes.

1312
02:07:38,770 --> 02:07:39,830
Commissioner Everskarn.

1313
02:07:40,410 --> 02:07:40,770
Yes.

1314
02:07:41,950 --> 02:07:43,590
There'll be four, three in the name.

1315
02:07:51,710 --> 02:07:54,610
Number six, rational and economic development.

1316
02:07:54,610 --> 02:08:01,410
and relations to public services. Chairman Sweeney. Yes.

1317
02:08:02,750 --> 02:08:03,550
Commissioner Ziphol.

1318
02:08:07,370 --> 02:08:08,690
Sorry, Mr. Sir.

1319
02:08:09,870 --> 02:08:13,590
Yes. Thank you. Commissioner Wilkinson.

1320
02:08:13,790 --> 02:08:16,750
Yes. Commissioner Milford. Yes.

1321
02:08:18,630 --> 02:08:20,950
Commissioner Bundering. Yes.

1322
02:08:21,890 --> 02:08:24,130
Commissioner Meyer-Cord. Yes.

1323
02:08:24,130 --> 02:08:30,110
Commissioner Eversbury? Yes. That is 7A, 7O in the positive.

1324
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:39,050
And number 7 is efficient

1325
02:08:39,050 --> 02:08:45,090
and effective traffic circulation both within and adjacent to the development sites.

1326
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,140
Chairman Sweeney. Yes.

1327
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:51,760
Commissioner Ziphol.

1328
02:08:55,690 --> 02:08:55,910
Good.

1329
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:04,820
Thank you. Commissioner Wilkinson? Yes. Commissioner Milford? Yes.

1330
02:09:06,820 --> 02:09:13,480
Commissioner Bunder? Yes. Commissioner Markord? Yes. Commissioner I was

1331
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:17,920
correct. Yes. That is seven odd, seven oh in the air.

1332
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:34,080
Can you give some

1333
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:38,960
guidance as to how these additional findings and recommendations should be

1334
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:40,280
included for the sake of the support?

1335
02:09:43,810 --> 02:09:45,910
I'm sorry, was that to me or? No, it's

1336
02:09:45,910 --> 02:09:51,150
for the city attorney. I'm not sure what you mean, how these findings that

1337
02:09:51,150 --> 02:09:52,730
that they've just made?

1338
02:09:53,310 --> 02:09:56,010
Yeah, so it's got the space in here for additional comments.

1339
02:09:56,150 --> 02:09:58,490
Is that something that we should be recording at this time?

1340
02:09:58,710 --> 02:10:01,270
Do I should this be a clerk summary of the comments

1341
02:10:01,270 --> 02:10:02,870
if the commissioners have given throughout the meeting?

1342
02:10:03,650 --> 02:10:07,290
This is, I view this as commission's opportunity

1343
02:10:08,330 --> 02:10:12,250
to, I guess, make additional comments,

1344
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:14,790
observations, recommendations to the Board of Alderman,

1345
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:19,270
that I guess aren't captured by the previous seven criteria

1346
02:10:20,670 --> 02:10:22,270
that we've voted on.

1347
02:10:23,390 --> 02:10:23,730
Okay.

1348
02:10:24,090 --> 02:10:25,830
I will not be typing those on the screen.

1349
02:10:26,010 --> 02:10:27,010
I will let the clerk do that.

1350
02:10:27,090 --> 02:10:29,690
So they'll be recorded into the final report.

1351
02:10:30,050 --> 02:10:30,790
Thanks, Joe.

1352
02:10:37,070 --> 02:10:37,450
All right.

1353
02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:39,070
Chairman Sweeney, I guess this up to you.

1354
02:10:39,110 --> 02:10:42,250
Do you want to open it up?

1355
02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:45,330
Or do you want me to take a comprehensive plan of what was set earlier?

1356
02:10:45,490 --> 02:10:46,670
How would you like to proceed?

1357
02:10:47,070 --> 02:10:55,820
So I would propose that the clerk make note of the comments.

1358
02:10:55,820 --> 02:11:07,680
made by the commissioners. This is recorded so we can adopt that as the, I hesitate to call those

1359
02:11:09,020 --> 02:11:15,340
findings and recommendations. I don't, I don't think that's necessarily what we did.

1360
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:25,120
They were, they were comments. I think we can make findings if we get a vote of a majority of the board

1361
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:31,100
that the comprehensive plan and the criteria that were identified during those comments

1362
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:41,500
that some members feel that those have not been met, but I'm open to some guidance with

1363
02:11:41,500 --> 02:11:46,520
regard to that. I don't think you want to type out all of the comments from the hearing,

1364
02:11:47,180 --> 02:11:48,340
but the hearing can be noted.

1365
02:11:51,690 --> 02:11:54,970
I personally be happy to type out comments and set it to the

1366
02:11:54,970 --> 02:12:02,470
commission, and they can make sure that all those were said. This does have some specific comments,

1367
02:12:03,330 --> 02:12:07,090
attached, such as character, the neighborhood traffic conditions, public utility facilities,

1368
02:12:07,710 --> 02:12:15,230
and other matters that weren't necessarily particularly mentioned earlier. Is there any other

1369
02:12:15,230 --> 02:12:20,650
public comment for the record that the commission would like to say?

1370
02:12:23,580 --> 02:12:26,360
Visioners anyone

1371
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:33,210
seeing none. Okay,

1372
02:12:43,740 --> 02:12:46,820
then I will and less I'm mistaken at this time

1373
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:53,480
This would be the point where we would do the motion to approve or not approve

1374
02:12:54,420 --> 02:12:58,240
So John is there a third option approve with

1375
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,700
Conditions thank you

1376
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:04,080
So I

1377
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:13,080
I agree with Jeff that at this point, the next vote is an up or down on the recommendation to the board of all the men.

1378
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:19,660
However, an additional option is recommendation for approval with conditions or restrictions.

1379
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:32,620
Is there a consideration or recommendation for approval with any restrictions or conditions from any of the commissioners.

1380
02:13:32,620 --> 02:13:35,100
that they would, that he or she would like to propose.

1381
02:13:40,820 --> 02:13:45,560
I would be curious if you all, you know, commissioner bun dirins,

1382
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,160
Phil, Chairman Sweeney, you know,

1383
02:13:49,180 --> 02:13:53,280
do you guys foresee a way to articulate your concerns and conditions

1384
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:59,080
or a lot of your comments kind of, you know,

1385
02:14:00,140 --> 02:14:02,080
you'd want to see an updated site plan first,

1386
02:14:02,340 --> 02:14:05,780
or you know, or see comments kind of addressed on a physical site plan

1387
02:14:05,780 --> 02:14:12,900
or renderings or images, or do you think we could word conditions that would give the board of

1388
02:14:12,900 --> 02:14:17,900
all their men, you know, some leverage to request some things on their vote?

1389
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:21,380
I think that's a really fair question.

1390
02:14:25,220 --> 02:14:29,480
I would sure like to be able to do that

1391
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:41,740
Is there any one who thinks that they could wordsmith that in a way that we could present that to the board of Alderman with a motion to approve.

1392
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:55,480
I for one would I really want to see something done in this in this area. So is there any thoughts from anyone that I'm this great point Brandon I'm glad somebody brought it up.

1393
02:14:56,380 --> 02:14:58,080
John, I think you're muted.

1394
02:14:59,400 --> 02:14:59,980
Yeah, I was waiting.

1395
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:12,600
We need to be called on this adjournment. Okay. As we take all these votes in the consideration, I do want to take this time to remind the commission that all the areas of the site that are currently unplanned will have site plans that will come before the commission for approval.

1396
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:24,800
So even though we see there's lots of areas that are outlots to don't have anything on them yet voting, yes, on this development tonight would not give part of launch to the developers to build whatever they want there to see fit as long as it fits to redevelopment agreement.

1397
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:32,180
there was portions of the development. We'll come before the commission as major site plans for approval or just approval or approval with commissions.

1398
02:15:34,420 --> 02:15:35,300
Thank you, Judge.

1399
02:15:39,330 --> 02:15:45,150
Commissioners, anyone with the thought regarding option three.

1400
02:15:53,330 --> 02:16:02,310
I feel like our biggest area of concern and I don't want to certainly don't want to speak for everybody, but I feel like if there's been one unifying comment, it's been at green space in the middle.

1401
02:16:03,070 --> 02:16:08,830
You know, by the entrance kind of comes and curves in and there's the 12,000 square foot public green space,

1402
02:16:08,970 --> 02:16:14,170
the one across the street and then the open park area for the homes.

1403
02:16:16,130 --> 02:16:23,330
I wonder if there's a way to word like specifically, because I personally would approve the development plan,

1404
02:16:23,770 --> 02:16:27,770
kind of the deerberg side, the McBride homes,

1405
02:16:28,590 --> 02:16:38,510
That green face in the middle, you know, I wonder if the McBride home number could drop from 81 to 75 and you pick up a little bit of space there, but I don't know how to read.

1406
02:16:39,230 --> 02:16:55,270
I wouldn't know how to word, you know, gathering, you know, there we go, gathering spaces AB&D, you know, I approve the preliminary development plan with falling conditions that the developers, you know,

1407
02:16:56,690 --> 02:17:02,430
resummit plans for the areas around public areas A, B, and D, or something like that

1408
02:17:02,430 --> 02:17:03,070
effect, maybe?

1409
02:17:03,210 --> 02:17:07,190
I mean, that's that's probably my biggest concern of the plan at this point, personally.

1410
02:17:09,130 --> 02:17:14,690
So how about something along the lines of that the gathering space is A and B, B redesign

1411
02:17:14,690 --> 02:17:24,310
to ensure a continuity of development, ensuring a single unified development.

1412
02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:29,560
in China. Yeah, yeah.

1413
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,180
Drone of the word. You know, yeah, it's, it's like, it's a

1414
02:17:33,180 --> 02:17:34,120
simple, slow, obviously.

1415
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:39,340
That's like almost too vague of direction. I think. Yeah, exactly.

1416
02:17:41,380 --> 02:17:44,740
I think that's one of those things that we would work through from a staff

1417
02:17:44,740 --> 02:17:49,880
perspective internally. And I also want to remind everybody as well that

1418
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:52,700
what we're doing here is approving a preliminary development plan

1419
02:17:52,700 --> 02:17:56,880
within nine months to develop or we'll be back to have before you all

1420
02:17:56,880 --> 02:18:02,540
of more final development plan that we're going to prove and that has supposed to be in the same

1421
02:18:02,540 --> 02:18:07,040
just kind of character and spirit of the preliminary development plan and any conditions

1422
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:11,320
that are put into the preliminary development plan should be addressed at that time as well.

1423
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:19,260
So I think that there weren't we articulated a number of concerns but one of the primary concerns

1424
02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:25,500
and a big concern is that it doesn't seem to be a unified development to me. I mean it seems like

1425
02:18:25,500 --> 02:18:28,400
like the Deerberg's development and a McBride development.

1426
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:35,640
And I don't know that there's any way to meld those together to do what I hope to seek.

1427
02:18:36,540 --> 02:18:41,160
I'm not a developer, so maybe it's impossible.

1428
02:18:45,250 --> 02:18:47,790
But that's a concern that I've got.

1429
02:18:49,370 --> 02:18:55,970
This does not look like anything that I thought we were planning

1430
02:18:56,810 --> 02:19:02,370
low these many years and maybe there is no way to articulate that and maybe we just need to

1431
02:19:02,370 --> 02:19:11,530
vote it up or down. I want to vote for this project. I want something to move forward. I'm not

1432
02:19:12,610 --> 02:19:23,950
satisfied that what we saw on these drawings shows a unified project. One of the things that they

1433
02:19:23,950 --> 02:19:28,690
to the subdivision? What does that mean? Private private for the subdivision?

1434
02:19:28,990 --> 02:19:35,970
They now, now that's clearly not unified. You know, so I can't go and park at

1435
02:19:35,970 --> 02:19:41,050
Deerbirds and walk over to that little walking trail because that belongs to the subdivision.

1436
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:50,810
I mean, they basically stated on the record that they're creating a private area for this unified

1437
02:19:50,810 --> 02:19:53,870
development that's inconsistent.

1438
02:19:56,510 --> 02:20:15,130
So I want to see this thing tied together more. I don't think that that's I don't think that I'm being. I don't think that's ridiculous. Maybe it is. Anyway, if we can't do it, then let's just we can vote it up or down. I'm okay with that too.

1439
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:19,450
We have a different constituency than the board of all of them.

1440
02:20:19,650 --> 02:20:21,110
They have different considerations.

1441
02:20:21,810 --> 02:20:22,710
I respect that.

1442
02:20:22,750 --> 02:20:28,150
They have to do the things that they do and we have a different constituency.

1443
02:20:29,490 --> 02:20:36,490
So if no one has any other thoughts of any ways to satisfy, maybe just my concerns and we can just move it forward.

1444
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:38,990
I'm sorry, Andrew, Commissioner Markord.

1445
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:51,500
I would like to see something along the lines of Brandon said, I think that in a minimum,

1446
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:59,420
you know, those conditions regarding the shared open spaces that ABND or whatever,

1447
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:04,140
Mr. Cruz had referenced, in a minimum, having that as a condition,

1448
02:21:06,700 --> 02:21:08,900
that's something I'd like.

1449
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:14,620
How would you word that?

1450
02:21:14,720 --> 02:21:16,120
Commissioner Markord.

1451
02:21:16,420 --> 02:21:17,060
No, no.

1452
02:21:17,080 --> 02:21:17,500
I'm trying.

1453
02:21:18,020 --> 02:21:21,360
I'm thinking back on what Commissioner Everskirts said,

1454
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:23,060
something to that effect.

1455
02:21:32,890 --> 02:21:37,020
Maybe we could say all of the green space, all the open space,

1456
02:21:37,690 --> 02:21:40,190
and the development is, you know,

1457
02:21:40,190 --> 02:21:42,490
and the public route is,

1458
02:21:43,310 --> 02:21:44,370
you know, that,

1459
02:21:45,790 --> 02:21:47,590
I mean, obviously not the folks,

1460
02:21:48,210 --> 02:21:48,710
yards,

1461
02:21:50,290 --> 02:21:50,790
but

1462
02:21:50,790 --> 02:22:05,590
But the common space, the common space, you know, is accessible to all people, how about like, how about that all of the common space and green space and the development shall be dedicated to the public.

1463
02:22:07,390 --> 02:22:11,970
Doesn't mean public maintenance, it just means that it's dedicated to the public and the public and use it.

1464
02:22:12,090 --> 02:22:13,010
Not somebody's yard.

1465
02:22:13,010 --> 02:22:28,870
I think that's fair. I don't not only worry would be that why I feel like what we're talking about is a footprint change of the green space and not necessarily like the use of the, because if the footprints of the, of green space, BC and BC and the same.

1466
02:22:29,790 --> 02:22:36,450
My opinion of the plan, although positive, doesn't necessarily change that much in the direction that I wanted to go.

1467
02:22:36,450 --> 02:22:47,490
So there's almost the challenge there to just the footprints and, you know, the direction, the layouts of the green space, not necessarily the uses.

1468
02:22:48,050 --> 02:22:48,290
Thank you.

1469
02:22:48,910 --> 02:22:53,610
How about in and reconsider the

1470
02:22:55,980 --> 02:23:00,880
volume of my experience of the green space?

1471
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:10,920
These are just recommendations to the board of all of them, I mean, it is not, they don't have to accept them.

1472
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:27,610
I think the most pivotal things that the community, the community said that's important to residents is that is, you know, public spaces where they can gather.

1473
02:23:27,610 --> 02:23:35,230
people again, again, cited this, you know, the Plaza and Kirkwood. I just think, those are the key

1474
02:23:35,230 --> 02:23:44,450
recommendations to make to the board of Alderman is to make sure that that is delivered as part of

1475
02:23:44,450 --> 02:23:51,990
this project. That that Plaza doesn't keep shrinking and shrinking and shrinking then, you know,

1476
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:58,810
There is a public space that's activated and programmed for the community.

1477
02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:09,660
I will say to that effect of something that is part of the redevelopment agreement states that the open place space, which is gathering space, see the public plaza.

1478
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:12,420
It's to be no fewer than 12,000 square feet.

1479
02:24:16,810 --> 02:24:17,470
It's a good start.

1480
02:24:20,510 --> 02:24:23,330
But you're not going to fit hundreds of people in that.

1481
02:24:23,570 --> 02:24:23,810
True.

1482
02:24:23,810 --> 02:24:29,530
you know, we do have a lot of green space and press one, you know, too, but I

1483
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:36,390
do other question I'd wonder is as, you know, even if we had this condition about the green space,

1484
02:24:36,650 --> 02:24:42,490
you know, Commissioner Bunder and Wilkinson, Zipfel, you know, does that even change? Does that even

1485
02:24:43,090 --> 02:24:53,790
start to change your outlook on the the preliminary development plan? That's kind of the

1486
02:24:53,790 --> 02:25:00,550
any conditions that could address your concerns or for me personally I would say it does not change

1487
02:25:00,550 --> 02:25:08,250
my view on it and I'll say it again I brought this up at the work session and make comments

1488
02:25:08,250 --> 02:25:14,030
about the green space at the work session and I don't we only need to dive into that but I

1489
02:25:14,730 --> 02:25:16,830
I don't think it's going to change

1490
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:25,780
well but maybe we maybe we just vote yeah I think it's you know

1491
02:25:27,140 --> 02:25:37,700
Okay, yeah, I think that that's, you know, we, we tried and clearly we made a record here, you know, of what the concerns are.

1492
02:25:39,340 --> 02:25:47,740
So, at this point, I am going to call the, and ask for a vote, up or down, a motion to,

1493
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:56,860
well, let's see, we can make a motion not to approve, or we can make a motion to approve.

1494
02:26:00,540 --> 02:26:02,440
I don't like that.

1495
02:26:02,460 --> 02:26:08,380
I think for the sake of making it easy for everyone to understand if there's a vote not to approve that it means yes means no.

1496
02:26:08,860 --> 02:26:14,100
So I would encourage you to ask me to approve it and just kind of see where it falls.

1497
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:15,080
Yeah.

1498
02:26:16,140 --> 02:26:21,000
John, that's what I was struggling with because I don't like those negative votes.

1499
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:23,580
I appreciate it. I was going to confuse there.

1500
02:26:23,980 --> 02:26:24,000
Yeah.

1501
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:33,540
So at this moment, I would entertain a motion to approve the preliminary development plan as submitted.

1502
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:40,420
I will make an emotion to approve the preliminary plan as submitted.

1503
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:41,740
Thank you commissioner.

1504
02:26:42,260 --> 02:26:43,980
Milford, is there a second?

1505
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:46,080
Okay.

1506
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:47,020
Thank you commissioner.

1507
02:26:47,100 --> 02:26:48,100
Everyone's good.

1508
02:26:49,460 --> 02:26:54,740
When you are ready, Jeff, we're going to do a roll call vote on this.

1509
02:26:54,740 --> 02:27:00,040
And the yes vote is to approve the plan as submitted.

1510
02:27:00,260 --> 02:27:01,680
Thank you.

1511
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:03,340
All right.

1512
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:04,380
Chairman Sweeney?

1513
02:27:04,780 --> 02:27:05,200
No.

1514
02:27:07,340 --> 02:27:08,460
Commissioner Zifel?

1515
02:27:09,440 --> 02:27:09,780
No.

1516
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:11,680
Commissioner Bundern?

1517
02:27:11,980 --> 02:27:12,320
No.

1518
02:27:13,880 --> 02:27:14,740
Commissioner Milford?

1519
02:27:15,320 --> 02:27:15,760
Yes.

1520
02:27:20,670 --> 02:27:22,430
Commissioner Wilkinson?

1521
02:27:22,690 --> 02:27:22,950
No.

1522
02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:26,040
Commissioner Meyer-Cord?

1523
02:27:27,480 --> 02:27:28,540
Yes,

1524
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:31,810
and commissioner, I was going.

1525
02:27:32,310 --> 02:27:32,570
Yes.

1526
02:27:33,710 --> 02:27:36,810
That is for the three in the negative.

1527
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:47,560
So the recommendation from the planning commission to the Board of

1528
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:53,880
Development is for to to deny the development plan.

1529
02:27:54,540 --> 02:27:56,360
Sorry to ask.

1530
02:27:57,020 --> 02:27:58,540
Do we need to.

1531
02:27:58,540 --> 02:28:03,620
revote that the other way, so then it's in the affirmative or is that just me thinking out loud?

1532
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:06,460
Mr. Cameron, can I speak up for a moment?

1533
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:08,860
You absolutely Brian help us up.

1534
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:13,860
So that was a motion to approve the development plan as a submitted which failed.

1535
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:19,940
So in theory what you could do is now take a motion to say we recommend not approve it.

1536
02:28:21,160 --> 02:28:23,020
I essentially do that in the negatives.

1537
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:27,340
Recommend to not approve which would give the recommendation to the board.

1538
02:28:27,340 --> 02:28:36,560
Or if a commission were were so inclined, you could propose to approve the development plan so big to a particular condition and vote on approval with that condition.

1539
02:28:37,160 --> 02:28:44,800
So though I guess a motion to not approve the development would be in order and a motion to approve subject to certain conditions would also be in order.

1540
02:28:45,100 --> 02:28:46,360
It's the will of the commission.

1541
02:28:47,180 --> 02:28:47,560
Thank you.

1542
02:28:49,970 --> 02:28:57,490
I would entertain a motion to approve the development plan with the requirement that

1543
02:28:57,490 --> 02:29:07,310
green spaces be developed and dedicated to the public and be reconsidered is an expanse that

1544
02:29:08,010 --> 02:29:14,170
set that unifies the entire development if there is anyone who is interested in making

1545
02:29:14,170 --> 02:29:19,450
that motion. We could vote on that.

1546
02:29:25,450 --> 02:29:35,210
Hearing none, is there a motion to recommend denial of the preliminary development plan?

1547
02:29:35,530 --> 02:29:40,410
Oh, this is Commissioner Zipfell. I will make the motion to recommend denial of the preliminary plan.

1548
02:29:40,410 --> 02:29:44,370
And is there a second I'll

1549
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:54,460
second. Thank you, Commissioner Bunron, and that is to deny the preliminary development plan as written.

1550
02:29:54,460 --> 02:29:56,220
Yeah, it's not a proof.

1551
02:29:56,220 --> 02:29:56,720
Correct.

1552
02:29:56,920 --> 02:29:58,000
Or deny in the services.

1553
02:29:58,340 --> 02:29:59,920
Yeah, I don't like denial better.

1554
02:30:00,340 --> 02:30:07,340
All right. Chairman Sweeney. Yes. Commissioners of thought.

1555
02:30:10,290 --> 02:30:15,250
Sorry, I didn't hear you, sir. Yes. Thank you.

1556
02:30:17,810 --> 02:30:25,970
Commissioner Wilkinson. Yes. Commissioner Milford. Now. Commissioner Bunger. Yes.

1557
02:30:28,050 --> 02:30:33,250
Commissioner Michael. Oh. Commissioner, I was here. No.

1558
02:30:33,250 --> 02:30:43,450
So four three four three so the commission has rejected approval of the preliminary

1559
02:30:43,450 --> 02:30:50,110
development plan and has voted to recommend denial of the preliminary development plan

1560
02:30:50,570 --> 02:30:51,710
as written

1561
02:30:55,770 --> 02:31:00,550
for the reasons identified in the public hearing

1562
02:31:04,740 --> 02:31:06,720
and those for the record

1563
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:10,360
Chairman Sweeney, those will be tradesmen to the board of all of them for their next

1564
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:12,240
regularly scheduled meeting. Correct.

1565
02:31:14,470 --> 02:31:17,530
And you did indicate, Jeff, were you going to get us a

1566
02:31:17,530 --> 02:31:23,570
synopsis event? Yeah, so I'll make sure that synopsis is put together and then a tradesman

1567
02:31:23,570 --> 02:31:29,810
at the. Thank you very much. This city planner. Yes. Okay, let me.

1568
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:41,220
Next, I'm on the agenda, John.

1569
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:48,990
Thank you. You're under the next time you're on the agenda is an zoning modification for the

1570
02:31:48,990 --> 02:31:56,270
changing the zoning of one-crest with plaza from PDC to PDMX state, and this is not

1571
02:31:56,270 --> 02:32:01,110
the screen, so it's not going to work with what I need to do here.

1572
02:32:03,530 --> 02:32:07,130
As part of the proposed customer crossing development, the applicants are requesting that the

1573
02:32:07,130 --> 02:32:11,070
site zoning be modified from plain development, commercial, applying development mix use.

1574
02:32:11,070 --> 02:32:14,650
This would allow for vertical and horizontal mix use development across the development

1575
02:32:14,650 --> 02:32:19,550
parcels. The rezoning modification will apply to the primary personal one-crest with plaza.

1576
02:32:19,550 --> 02:32:24,650
As well as the personal at 9291 Watson Road, which is currently housed by city music.

1577
02:32:25,370 --> 02:32:29,250
This would be the first parcel in the city of Crestwood or the first two parcels I guess.

1578
02:32:29,450 --> 02:32:33,190
On PDMXD, there are currently 20 PDC parcels.

1579
02:32:33,850 --> 02:32:39,150
The parcel at 9b415 Watson is not included at this time, and a zone in change may be requested in the future,

1580
02:32:39,450 --> 02:32:41,090
depending on developer site control.

1581
02:32:41,650 --> 02:32:45,110
That is the out of your Kirkwood garage that was referenced earlier in this evening.

1582
02:32:45,790 --> 02:32:50,010
Again, for those that I have joined us late, this is the site that we're talking about.

1583
02:32:50,290 --> 02:32:54,910
One quest requires us here, the other site that would be part of the rezoning is right here.

1584
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:55,950
That's city music.

1585
02:32:56,630 --> 02:33:00,630
And we can see the residential homes to the northwest, the industrial and the northeast.

1586
02:33:01,270 --> 02:33:05,250
And commercial directly to the east, south and west.

1587
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:07,850
And then the government centers up over here.

1588
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:11,490
This shows what the zoning map currently looks like.

1589
02:33:11,490 --> 02:33:15,750
And the subject, personal, and other was zoomed out is right here.

1590
02:33:16,730 --> 02:33:19,950
And if the rezoning is green dead, it's going to look something like this.

1591
02:33:20,010 --> 02:33:24,910
And you can see a new planned development mix use zone in classification shows up on the legend.

1592
02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:31,570
And the site is turned from red promotional to this kind of aquamarine blue color for PD mix use.

1593
02:33:32,590 --> 02:33:36,710
There's no burden of proof that has to be met prior to enacting a zoning change.

1594
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:40,550
Instead, what the commissioner does have at hand the board of alderman,

1595
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:42,890
are to consider the following with their votes consistent

1596
02:33:42,890 --> 02:33:47,450
the section 29, 29, 92, that might be incorrect.

1597
02:33:47,650 --> 02:33:48,550
I'll even check that.

1598
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:51,870
But what it says is consistency with the comprehensive plan,

1599
02:33:53,130 --> 02:33:55,630
the neighborhood character in future land use,

1600
02:33:55,750 --> 02:33:57,850
does the application further the intent

1601
02:33:57,850 --> 02:33:59,370
of the proposed zoning district

1602
02:33:59,370 --> 02:34:01,570
if there's a development application being considered

1603
02:34:01,570 --> 02:34:04,250
with that compliance with the development code

1604
02:34:04,250 --> 02:34:06,910
of the city's ability to govern the proposed development,

1605
02:34:07,090 --> 02:34:09,790
so do we have fire and EMS services to be able

1606
02:34:09,790 --> 02:34:11,630
to adjust all the needs there.

1607
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:13,730
The potential effects on property values,

1608
02:34:14,310 --> 02:34:16,510
the implications that are beyond the specific project

1609
02:34:16,510 --> 02:34:19,330
proposed, and the recommendations of city staff.

1610
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:22,050
The planning commission is the following options

1611
02:34:22,050 --> 02:34:23,970
regarding the petition for zoning change.

1612
02:34:23,970 --> 02:34:25,910
And this is the same as the plan development

1613
02:34:25,910 --> 02:34:29,310
in the general spirit that you all are making a recommendation

1614
02:34:29,310 --> 02:34:30,770
to the board of all women,

1615
02:34:31,210 --> 02:34:33,250
and are not making a decision at this meeting.

1616
02:34:33,630 --> 02:34:36,430
So you can recommend approval from all or part

1617
02:34:36,430 --> 02:34:38,550
of the property, recommend approval.

1618
02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:44,050
other than what the petitioner has opposed for all of the property or recommend denial of the

1619
02:34:44,050 --> 02:34:48,630
rezoning for all of the property. So you guys can say I think the property should be rezoned,

1620
02:34:48,850 --> 02:34:54,470
but I don't think it should be PDMXT. I think it should be this and this is how you would go on

1621
02:34:54,470 --> 02:35:00,870
about that and we are recommending the approval of the application for rezoning change. You all are

1622
02:35:00,870 --> 02:35:05,770
very familiar at this point with the potential project in mind so I'm not going to beat that

1623
02:35:06,610 --> 02:35:12,570
conversation anymore into the ground. And at this point, that's going to go ahead and conclude my presentation on this item.

1624
02:35:13,050 --> 02:35:13,590
Thank you, John.

1625
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:23,770
Before I open this matter up to the commissioners, is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak on the issue of changing the zoning for

1626
02:35:24,490 --> 02:35:37,030
Crestwood Plaza from PDC to PDMXD on that topic. Anyone from the public. And Jeff, if you see anyone, would you please identify them for me?

1627
02:35:42,530 --> 02:35:44,790
I see no one at this time of treating the one.

1628
02:35:45,130 --> 02:35:53,170
Thank you Jeff, commissioners, I would open it up to you all for discussion on the issue of the zoning change. Any comments?

1629
02:35:59,530 --> 02:36:11,670
I actually support this move, you know, where my objections were, is I don't believe that the execution of the site plan is in keeping with this sort of notion of plan mixed use development.

1630
02:36:12,490 --> 02:36:21,990
And that's what I stated previously, but I do and and am in belief that this does align with comprehensive plan and it doesn't cause

1631
02:36:22,670 --> 02:36:28,550
actually it helps the city of Crestwood in the you know moving forward in the future. So I actually support this

1632
02:36:30,090 --> 02:36:39,380
rezoning effort. Thank you. Commissioner Zipel, anyone else? Mr. Chamber. I'd like to make a few comments.

1633
02:36:40,580 --> 02:36:47,600
I agree. I think this is a good move. I think it's a good, a good change and I support the

1634
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:53,620
from PDC to PDMXD. Thank you commissioner Wilkinson. Any other commissioners?

1635
02:36:56,020 --> 02:37:00,000
So I'll commissioner my record earlier if I listen to that. Andrew?

1636
02:37:02,060 --> 02:37:09,460
Come in. I was I think that rezoning this from Plineville, I'm like commercial that

1637
02:37:09,460 --> 02:37:17,220
Plineville next to use is is probably the best step going forward. So that's I'm just echoing

1638
02:37:20,220 --> 02:37:32,920
Thank you. I would agree anybody else. If not, I would entertain a motion to recommend a amendment to the zoning plan. Do I have that motion?

1639
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:35,420
This is Commissioner America, I'll make a motion.

1640
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:37,200
Thank you, Commissioner my record.

1641
02:37:38,860 --> 02:37:39,860
Do you have a second?

1642
02:37:40,940 --> 02:37:41,720
We're approval.

1643
02:37:43,340 --> 02:37:44,140
It's fucking that.

1644
02:37:44,660 --> 02:37:45,920
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1645
02:37:46,500 --> 02:37:49,740
It was moved by Commissioner my record that the planning zoning and architecture

1646
02:37:49,740 --> 02:37:52,600
review commission recommend that the board of all the men,

1647
02:37:52,900 --> 02:37:55,400
amend the zoning map of the city of C.D.

1648
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:57,180
of C.D. of C.D. of C.D. of C.D. of C.D. of C.D.

1649
02:37:57,180 --> 02:37:58,880
of C.D. of C.D. of C.D. of C.D.

1650
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:13,380
And nine to nine when Watson Road Crestwood Missouri from PDC planned development commercial to PDMXD planned development mixed use motion was seconded by Commissioner Wilkinson when you are ready Jeff, would you give us a role call vote on that.

1651
02:38:13,820 --> 02:38:14,300
Absolutely.

1652
02:38:14,300 --> 02:38:15,140
Chairman Swayney.

1653
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:16,000
Yes.

1654
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:17,340
Commissioner Ziphol.

1655
02:38:18,180 --> 02:38:18,500
Yes.

1656
02:38:20,100 --> 02:38:21,380
Commissioner Wilkinson.

1657
02:38:21,860 --> 02:38:22,060
Yes.

1658
02:38:23,320 --> 02:38:24,060
Commissioner Milford.

1659
02:38:24,620 --> 02:38:24,920
Yes.

1660
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:27,640
Commissioner Myr chord.

1661
02:38:28,440 --> 02:38:28,860
Yes.

1662
02:38:28,860 --> 02:38:40,260
to Mr. Bunder. Yes. Mr. Everscare. Yes. The motion passes by about of seven to nothing and it will be

1663
02:38:40,260 --> 02:38:46,700
forward. That recommendation will be forwarded to the Board of Alderman at its meeting.

1664
02:38:46,700 --> 02:38:47,800
some meeting.

1665
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:51,920
Thank you.

1666
02:38:53,400 --> 02:38:53,620
Thank you.

1667
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:59,380
Uh, John, um, item for E is our next item.

1668
02:39:01,350 --> 02:39:09,610
Thank you, Your Honor. The next few about the next public hearing this evening is a conditional use permit to construct single family homes in the Cestral crossing development.

1669
02:39:10,030 --> 02:39:13,510
Single family in a PDMXC at one Cestral Plaza.

1670
02:39:13,510 --> 02:39:17,830
As part of the proposed customer development, the customer cost and development, the applicant

1671
02:39:17,830 --> 02:39:22,370
of the request of the safety zoning be changed to PDMXD, plan development in next use.

1672
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:27,150
A great home is wishes to construct a fully sales single family homes, which are only permitted

1673
02:39:27,150 --> 02:39:30,070
in PDMXD where they conditionally use permit.

1674
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:34,870
The 81 homes would be a very large size, it would provide for greater lock coverage and smaller

1675
02:39:34,870 --> 02:39:38,010
setbacks, and would normally be allowed in residential zoning districts.

1676
02:39:39,610 --> 02:39:42,490
Again, these are all things that we covered before, but I'm going to go through it because

1677
02:39:42,490 --> 02:39:45,390
at a new public hearing, and we've had some other people jump on.

1678
02:39:45,870 --> 02:39:49,930
The 81 single family homes will be built on three different lot sizes, all having setbacks

1679
02:39:49,930 --> 02:39:54,030
and a lot of power sizes greater than the municipal code allows for residential zoning

1680
02:39:54,030 --> 02:39:56,570
districts on one through our five homes.

1681
02:39:56,590 --> 02:40:00,830
In the sea village, lots may be 40 feet high up to three stories, which is greater than

1682
02:40:00,830 --> 02:40:04,890
the code allows it to in a half stories and 35 feet.

1683
02:40:05,290 --> 02:40:08,610
There's going to be basins to manage storm water on the residential portion of the

1684
02:40:09,130 --> 02:40:16,110
And the homes are going to be built order from a catalog housing and there's going to be a substantial opportunities for diversity within the homes.

1685
02:40:17,940 --> 02:40:23,040
This is what the A.B. and C.Lots will look like that are going to be built on this property.

1686
02:40:23,820 --> 02:40:26,040
If the development moves forward at the board of Alderman.

1687
02:40:26,740 --> 02:40:33,500
And again, this shows us what the setbacks look like, what the approximate lock sizes, what prints and impervious cover are.

1688
02:40:33,500 --> 02:40:46,200
And these, these, especially on the impervious cover side are a lot greater than what we would typically allow, even with our, um, consider changes that we're thinking about moving forward, it will be the advancing at a different date.

1689
02:40:46,980 --> 02:40:54,000
So these are some other product catalogs to get an idea as far as how the homes will look. They are a similar design and cohesive character.

1690
02:40:54,640 --> 02:41:02,660
What's very exterior building materials that add a little bit of differentiation between them. We saw a lot of that earlier. I'm not going to go through all of that again.

1691
02:41:02,660 --> 02:41:07,040
And the commission actions on this item will only be considered by the Board of

1692
02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:10,180
all women if the property is owned PDLXD by the Board of all women.

1693
02:41:10,860 --> 02:41:13,920
And these are all things that we're doing under the assumption that it will happen

1694
02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:14,860
concurrently.

1695
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:19,480
So from a legal standpoint, I've been advised that concurrently for something like

1696
02:41:19,480 --> 02:41:21,460
this just means happening at the same meeting.

1697
02:41:22,580 --> 02:41:27,460
So if this goes through to the Board of all women, they will be making a decision on

1698
02:41:27,460 --> 02:41:31,700
this assuming that the property is resowned assuming that the development is passed.

1699
02:41:31,700 --> 02:41:35,960
If those things do not happen, this public hearing will be canceled at that point.

1700
02:41:36,620 --> 02:41:40,640
So that is how the commission should be viewing this through that lens.

1701
02:41:41,220 --> 02:41:45,800
And I find that this is both consistent and inconsistent with the comprehensive plan.

1702
02:41:46,220 --> 02:41:50,000
The request is consistent with the purpose of PD-playing development makes use.

1703
02:41:50,180 --> 02:41:53,000
It is a, I'm a conditional use within that development.

1704
02:41:53,740 --> 02:41:57,200
The proposed use will have little to no negative impact on the neighborhood character.

1705
02:41:57,420 --> 02:41:59,840
It will actually be creating a neighborhood in and of itself.

1706
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:08,840
And I find overall that the request meets the burden of proof criteria for conditional use permit online other section 2611 B2.

1707
02:42:09,460 --> 02:42:17,860
The commission as the following options are getting this conditional use permit application. You could recommend approval, recommend approval with conditions or recommend denial.

1708
02:42:18,580 --> 02:42:27,840
And it has the following condition and here, but I actually don't have any conditions for this. So we're recommending the approval of this application for conditional use permit.

1709
02:42:28,860 --> 02:42:37,920
Thank you, John, before I open this item up for questions from the Commission, is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this item?

1710
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:47,240
The conditional use permitted to allow McBride homes to construct single family homes within the PDMXD1 Crestwood Plaza.

1711
02:42:48,480 --> 02:42:50,900
And, Jeff, if you could let me know if you see any.

1712
02:42:58,020 --> 02:43:00,360
I do not see any at this time.

1713
02:43:00,760 --> 02:43:01,540
Thank you.

1714
02:43:01,540 --> 02:43:02,500
Yeah, I'll go ahead.

1715
02:43:04,180 --> 02:43:04,680
Commissioners.

1716
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:05,980
Commissioner Markord.

1717
02:43:07,440 --> 02:43:12,920
And this was going to ask for any of these, or there is, I know that we're no one

1718
02:43:12,920 --> 02:43:16,540
on Zoom, but has there been any written public comments on it?

1719
02:43:17,960 --> 02:43:21,860
There have been no public comments submitted to the Commission, or for any of the specific

1720
02:43:21,860 --> 02:43:23,080
public hearings this evening.

1721
02:43:23,380 --> 02:43:24,880
Just general questions from the public.

1722
02:43:25,260 --> 02:43:26,160
Thank you.

1723
02:43:28,220 --> 02:43:33,120
Any questions or comments from the Commission regarding this particular question?

1724
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:34,380
in particular item.

1725
02:43:34,580 --> 02:43:34,760
Jeremy.

1726
02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:38,300
So, commissioners, if well, I've got a question perhaps for legal counsel.

1727
02:43:39,960 --> 02:43:45,900
If we approve single family homes, this conditional use for single family homes and plan

1728
02:43:45,900 --> 02:43:55,080
development mixed use, and we denied the site plan, are we at risk of giving cart launch

1729
02:43:55,080 --> 02:43:57,640
that the entire site could be developed to single family residential?

1730
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:10,540
Well, I think to answer that the way this is going to work with the rezoning is that

1731
02:44:10,540 --> 02:44:16,540
the rezoning would be voted upon by the Board of Alderman at the next meeting for a preliminary

1732
02:45:00,460 --> 02:45:13,200
What the code provides is, they'll be vote on the zoning change at the same time as the preliminary development plan, the zoning is not actually changed until the final development plan is approved.

1733
02:45:13,940 --> 02:45:29,060
So to answer your question, it would be my opinion that the answer is no, because the property isn't going to be zoned in a way that would permit them to construct single family residences, unless and until that final development plan is approved.

1734
02:45:29,060 --> 02:45:37,060
So, unless the Board of Aldermen is going to approve a final development plan that is entirely single family homes for the entire site,

1735
02:45:38,680 --> 02:45:44,260
you know, they wouldn't be able to just put up to fill the entire site with single family homes.

1736
02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:55,180
Would be better off adding a condition that this is approved if the plan development application PD121 is approved?

1737
02:45:57,170 --> 02:46:04,870
I suppose you could, it's sort of stating what is already kind of explicitly in the code.

1738
02:46:05,170 --> 02:46:10,870
They're not going to be able, because the zoning chain will not be changed to PDMXT if the preliminary development

1739
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:15,630
plan fails, if the final development plan fails, it's just not going to happen.

1740
02:46:16,350 --> 02:46:18,590
So you could, I suppose you could include it.

1741
02:46:18,830 --> 02:46:26,810
It's my opinion that adding more conditions just sort of more likely to create an unforeseen

1742
02:46:26,810 --> 02:46:31,670
problem down the road than having the restating something that's already in the code.

1743
02:46:31,810 --> 02:46:38,530
Yeah. We don't need a redundancy. I agree. Any other questions from commissioners?

1744
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:40,590
Thank you, Greg. There was a good question.

1745
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:47,250
Seeing none, I would accept the motion to

1746
02:46:47,250 --> 02:46:51,770
approve the request for conditional use.

1747
02:46:58,350 --> 02:47:00,710
Greg, are you muted? I don't know. I heard of some

1748
02:47:02,590 --> 02:47:06,090
I'll make, Commissioner Zipfell here. I will make that motion.

1749
02:47:06,510 --> 02:47:08,350
Thank you. Is there second proof?

1750
02:47:10,110 --> 02:47:12,250
I'll second. This is A&O for.

1751
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:16,170
Mr. Melford, he was moved by Commissioner Zipfell that the planning zoning and architectural

1752
02:47:16,170 --> 02:47:20,970
review commission recommended to the board of all the men approval of an ordinance to grant a conditional

1753
02:47:20,970 --> 02:47:25,550
use permit allowing me to bride and son homes to construct single family homes within the proposed

1754
02:47:25,550 --> 02:47:37,310
Crescent crossing, crossing development at one Crescent Plaza, Crescent Missouri, under the assumption that the property will be zone PDMXD with a no conditions. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Milford.

1755
02:47:37,890 --> 02:47:40,970
Jeff, when you're ready, could you give us a roll call vote on that?

1756
02:47:41,770 --> 02:47:46,650
Chairman, do you get that following condition about the impervious cover?

1757
02:47:47,570 --> 02:48:02,850
I understood that John waved that. Did I miss it? No, he's he's correct. That should be that that is the condition that is part of this that got cut off on the PowerPoint presentation. I am

1758
02:48:04,210 --> 02:48:09,970
I apologize you are recommending this approval with the total amount of

1759
02:48:09,970 --> 02:48:14,910
impervious cover on any residential lot and not to exceed 75% of the

1760
02:48:14,910 --> 02:48:18,250
lot size without first obtain a variance from the board of adjustment.

1761
02:48:18,890 --> 02:48:19,510
That is correct.

1762
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:19,950
Yes.

1763
02:48:19,950 --> 02:48:21,410
And I can understand that I had in there.

1764
02:48:21,630 --> 02:48:26,110
Because the way the way is that anything that we set forward for our standards,

1765
02:48:26,570 --> 02:48:27,790
right now it's 30%.

1766
02:48:27,790 --> 02:48:31,550
We may be modifying that to a higher number on larger meeting.

1767
02:48:31,550 --> 02:48:43,430
But this would be getting ahead of any of the other issues that people could have if they want to do additional plant work at some point in the future, and the we feel comfortable going up to that number for the so I apologize that I got caught off on the presentation.

1768
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:47,310
Thank you, John, Greg, would you amend your motion to include that condition.

1769
02:48:48,170 --> 02:48:51,170
I'm in the motion to include that condition for sure.

1770
02:48:51,190 --> 02:48:51,330
I'm.

1771
02:48:51,330 --> 02:48:52,810
Mr. Melford, would you amend your second.

1772
02:48:53,130 --> 02:48:54,310
I'll amend my second.

1773
02:48:54,370 --> 02:48:55,530
Thank you.

1774
02:48:55,710 --> 02:48:58,990
With that amended motion and second,

1775
02:48:58,990 --> 02:49:02,370
Jeff, would you give us a roll call? Yes. Thank you.

1776
02:49:02,490 --> 02:49:03,930
Chairman Swimming? Yes.

1777
02:49:04,730 --> 02:49:06,710
Commissioner Zipfall? Yes.

1778
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:09,990
Commissioner Wilkinson? Yes.

1779
02:49:11,070 --> 02:49:12,790
Commissioner Milford? Yes.

1780
02:49:13,630 --> 02:49:15,510
Commissioner Bundern? Yes.

1781
02:49:16,270 --> 02:49:18,770
Commissioner Myrchord? Yes.

1782
02:49:19,610 --> 02:49:21,690
Commissioner Erosger? Yes.

1783
02:49:22,690 --> 02:49:23,590
There's seven eyes.

1784
02:49:27,370 --> 02:49:28,070
Thank you.

1785
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:34,090
for approval to the Board of Aldermen at its next meeting.

1786
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:38,610
The final public hearing this evening,

1787
02:49:39,070 --> 02:49:41,010
John, if you could more orchestra that.

1788
02:49:42,920 --> 02:49:45,040
So this is the next public hearing for this meeting,

1789
02:49:45,560 --> 02:49:49,680
CUP7-21, a conditional use permit to erect an electronic

1790
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:52,720
message setter sign for the Crestwood Crossing Development.

1791
02:49:53,500 --> 02:49:55,620
And this would be a EMC along Watson River,

1792
02:49:55,700 --> 02:49:56,960
one Crestwood Plaza.

1793
02:49:57,800 --> 02:50:06,960
Partitioner is seeking to allow for the operation of an electronic message center shopping center sign at the westernmost access point along lots of road for the cross with crossing mixed use development.

1794
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:10,020
The developers refer to this as a pylon sign.

1795
02:50:10,460 --> 02:50:15,400
We don't have a definition for a pylon sign in our code we would consider this a shopping center sign.

1796
02:50:15,540 --> 02:50:20,240
The sign would be placed in the median of the ingress approximately 25 feet from the roadway.

1797
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:27,200
And the proposed baseless material is basically which will be of the same aesthetic as the principal buildings and the commercial portion of the development.

1798
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:31,780
Again, this gives us the designing and aerial context of the area.

1799
02:50:32,760 --> 02:50:38,560
And the sign would go right here and right here.

1800
02:50:39,320 --> 02:50:43,200
And looking at it on the site plan, this shows exactly what we're talking about.

1801
02:50:43,580 --> 02:50:49,740
They had originally proposed a separate location and after talking things through with other staff members internally, including public works.

1802
02:50:49,740 --> 02:50:54,220
the fire department. We all felt it made the most sense and was better for traffic visibility to

1803
02:50:54,220 --> 02:50:59,120
move into this location here and the developer and the sign company were metable to that.

1804
02:50:59,880 --> 02:51:03,800
Zooming in we can see how it looks. We got a little bit of a preview of this earlier on from the

1805
02:51:03,800 --> 02:51:09,300
developer and this shows an approximate location of where things are going to be. West is up at the

1806
02:51:09,300 --> 02:51:19,720
top towards second 10 east towards the city of St. Louis is down towards the bottom and here's the

1807
02:51:19,720 --> 02:51:24,400
interior signboards being representative of the various different commercial and

1808
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:31,780
restaurant properties that will be in the development 87 inches wide and 28 inches high

1809
02:51:31,780 --> 02:51:36,320
give and take these properties right here that are going to be 42. The electronic message set

1810
02:51:36,320 --> 02:51:43,960
of portion will be 94 inches high and 178 inches wide and here's what it looks like from the

1811
02:51:43,960 --> 02:51:49,500
full cut sheet from Ziglin signs. The sign company that will be I'm proposing to put this up

1812
02:51:49,500 --> 02:51:57,080
installed. And here is the existing conditions. It's a little hard to visualize, because it's going to be a little bit

1813
02:51:57,080 --> 02:52:01,840
radically different. Once everything goes into place, but for this continuity,

1814
02:52:01,980 --> 02:52:08,700
it is the ingress and ingress by the cost of street from emails and savers. And right about what I was

1815
02:52:08,700 --> 02:52:13,720
standing here is where the sign would be kind of pushing up against where the sign of Ben stop area

1816
02:52:13,720 --> 02:52:29,440
apparently it's. So it meets all of the requirements that we would need for regulatory compliance. The only thing that's a little bit strange is the height. And there's a lot of somewhat conflicting things in our sign code to talk about how this should be.

1817
02:52:29,700 --> 02:52:38,500
So on one hand, it says that if it's a ground mounted sign, it can only be up to a certain height, but if it's on a pole, it can be much higher.

1818
02:52:38,500 --> 02:52:44,500
And it doesn't really address how this should look for a shopping center sign, even though we technically consider those to be ground signs.

1819
02:52:45,160 --> 02:52:51,860
So the EMC would be 29 feet at its top point, which is one foot taller than the convertible of full sign.

1820
02:52:52,600 --> 02:53:00,040
And the sign overall is going to be 35 feet high, which is larger than what we would typically permit at 25 feet.

1821
02:53:00,200 --> 02:53:03,960
We feel that for a development of the significance 35 feet is appropriate.

1822
02:53:03,960 --> 02:53:16,000
It's not going to be as towering, as for instance, the Dear Birds and McKenzie point down the road and choose very, which is 45 feet high, and that's how we're looking at this.

1823
02:53:16,060 --> 02:53:20,080
So that's the only part of this compliance that doesn't meet what we'd be looking for.

1824
02:53:20,200 --> 02:53:30,020
We got documentation from Zigglin signs to talk about everything else and saying that it's going to work as far as the amount of light being emitted and turn off and things like that.

1825
02:53:30,020 --> 02:53:39,380
The only other thing that's recorded and asked to us here was the distance from residential use and the code defines this as residential zoning districts.

1826
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:48,920
And the ideas that this is going to be placed at a PDMXD, however, because it is going to be greater than 100 feet from any actual residential domicile.

1827
02:53:49,320 --> 02:53:55,100
We thought that that means the spirit of the code and what the code is proposing as far as distance away from residential use.

1828
02:53:55,100 --> 02:54:04,760
It's going to be within the view of all the commercial uses near Watson and Saffington there and it's going to be at least 500 feet many residential use on any side

1829
02:54:04,760 --> 02:54:11,900
So we don't feel as though there's any concerns with this not being code compliant other than the very minor issue with the height

1830
02:54:11,900 --> 02:54:20,280
And I guess it's really minor depending on how you want what that it but we don't think it's that big of a concern because there aren't any public safety issues that are going to be associated with it from our standpoint

1831
02:54:20,280 --> 02:54:26,160
So, we find that as that inconsistent with the comprehensive plan, the comprehensive plan, as we've talked about,

1832
02:54:26,180 --> 02:54:31,620
another meeting doesn't really address signage, the request is consistent with the purpose of PDMXD,

1833
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:35,060
considering the placement of the sign in relation to the residential development.

1834
02:54:35,960 --> 02:54:40,680
We find that it's not going to have any negative impact on the neighborhood character,

1835
02:54:40,780 --> 02:54:47,280
and that it does need the burden of fruit criteria for a conditional use permit outlined in section 26, 11, B2.

1836
02:54:49,940 --> 02:54:58,080
So just like the other conditional use permit, the commission has the option to recommend approval, recommend approval with conditions or recommend denial.

1837
02:54:59,060 --> 02:55:11,220
We are recommending the approval of this condition of the approval of this application with the condition that the construction of the sign be time to correlate with completion of phase one of the crossword crossing development.

1838
02:55:11,220 --> 02:55:16,840
And we put that in there because usually these will have a condition that says that the either

1839
02:55:16,840 --> 02:55:21,040
sign needs to be up or a building needs to be occupied within six months, 12 months, something

1840
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:21,900
like that.

1841
02:55:22,140 --> 02:55:25,760
For this, we've felt it made a lot more sense to just say, you know, as it seems the grocery

1842
02:55:25,760 --> 02:55:28,800
store is ready to be open, the sign should be up and ready to go too.

1843
02:55:29,300 --> 02:55:34,760
And I can't imagine a feasible instance where deer birds would want to do that, but just

1844
02:55:34,760 --> 02:55:38,560
to make sure that there isn't any conflicting language or any boilerplate language or something

1845
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:42,420
that might already be in the code that way if you split with that, we wanted to get this into

1846
02:55:42,420 --> 02:55:46,340
the CUP ordinance as well. So that's everything that I have on this.

1847
02:55:47,240 --> 02:55:50,900
Thank you, John. Before I open this up to questions from the Commission,

1848
02:55:51,220 --> 02:55:55,220
is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this particular issue,

1849
02:55:55,380 --> 02:56:00,940
which is a conditional use permit allowing for an electric message center sign at one

1850
02:56:00,940 --> 02:56:02,080
rest would Plaza.

1851
02:56:10,840 --> 02:56:13,400
I do not see anybody at this time, Mr.

1852
02:56:13,480 --> 02:56:18,260
Chairman. Seeing none, any comments or questions from the commission?

1853
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:26,680
I'm Michael. Oh, you can go Greg.

1854
02:56:27,320 --> 02:56:28,240
Thank you.

1855
02:56:29,740 --> 02:56:33,080
The proximity of this sign to the roadway.

1856
02:56:33,380 --> 02:56:37,500
It seems, you know, I'm looking at the site plan snippet on the left.

1857
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:41,100
And it seems like, you know, the first car that sort of stacked their

1858
02:56:41,100 --> 02:56:47,600
to go straight on old saffington or turn left has clear vision at the car behind it potentially

1859
02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:51,960
wouldn't have vision in case they were to sort of roll through, you know, follow the other

1860
02:56:51,960 --> 02:56:57,420
car through the intersection sort of thing. So I'm just wondering if the location of this sign

1861
02:56:57,420 --> 02:57:04,280
needs to be pulled inward to decide a little bit more so that there's better visibility for traffic.

1862
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:09,620
And I'll kind of pose that question and leave it for discussion.

1863
02:57:12,210 --> 02:57:12,390
John.

1864
02:57:13,270 --> 02:57:15,790
I would say we feel comfortable with the location as it is.

1865
02:57:15,930 --> 02:57:19,270
It meets all the requirements for the code and because it is going to be a signalized

1866
02:57:19,270 --> 02:57:21,650
intersection, we feel like it's going to be okay.

1867
02:57:21,770 --> 02:57:22,750
It wasn't signalized.

1868
02:57:22,890 --> 02:57:25,830
I think we want to have a move back maybe another 15 feet or so.

1869
02:57:26,190 --> 02:57:28,370
But with the traffic light there, we think it's going to be alright.

1870
02:57:31,420 --> 02:57:32,920
Any other thoughts or three or two?

1871
02:57:33,160 --> 02:57:34,040
That issue, Greg?

1872
02:57:34,420 --> 02:57:34,500
Yeah.

1873
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:35,600
Follow up on that.

1874
02:57:35,600 --> 02:58:05,580
There's sufficient a walkway to actually cross that intersection for the new development and then, you know, sort of like miss the sign because I don't see, but I don't see represented here at the, at the, at the stop line, if you will, for folks exiting the site is I don't see any sort of acknowledgement of where the cross walk might occur there and as we, you know, talk about pedestrian friendly sort of development and I know this is preliminary, I get it, but, you know, those kinds of things start to feed into what kind of,

1875
02:58:05,580 --> 02:58:11,420
of available space you have. So I just don't want to, I'd be concerned about putting what is a very solid

1876
02:58:13,340 --> 02:58:20,880
wall that's 35 plus feet tall that potentially blocks, blocks few of pedestrians and blocks

1877
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:26,800
few of, of traffic. I think that's a great question. And something that you all have probably

1878
02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:31,660
noticed is that there's been a lot of conversations that we've had around pedestrian connectivity

1879
02:58:31,660 --> 02:58:35,040
throughout the site. And then those are represented on the site plane yet.

1880
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:39,000
understanding is that we're still kind of working through how all of that's going to work

1881
02:58:39,000 --> 02:58:43,960
and where there's going to be crosswalk areas that are in between a blocks and things like that,

1882
02:58:44,060 --> 02:58:48,500
especially on the residential side in addition to things on the commercial. So none of that is

1883
02:58:48,500 --> 02:58:53,240
represented in the site plane yet. And I think we've had a lot of positive conversations with both

1884
02:58:53,240 --> 02:58:58,740
D3 and McBride to get an idea around how we can better increase connectivity prior to the final

1885
02:58:58,740 --> 02:59:03,720
development plan being approved. And Drew, I don't know if you have any additional comments on that

1886
02:59:03,720 --> 02:59:07,920
you'd like to make it this time for pedestrian access and crossing right here.

1887
02:59:08,040 --> 02:59:10,980
I think we'll get that figured out before the final development plan is in a minute.

1888
02:59:11,580 --> 02:59:13,000
Sure, that's actually a great question.

1889
02:59:13,360 --> 02:59:18,260
In the development plan, it will include a crosswalk 88 compliant crosswalk that will cross

1890
02:59:18,260 --> 02:59:23,360
parallel with the five walk that you see both on the, this would be on the west and the east side.

1891
02:59:23,860 --> 02:59:27,060
And essentially there would be a cut in that, in that meeting for a tool out,

1892
02:59:27,060 --> 02:59:29,100
pedestrians to transfer across the intersection.

1893
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:41,040
It's not represented in this, in this exact plan or this rendering if you owe, but it would certainly be in the development plan.

1894
02:59:44,300 --> 02:59:45,140
Any other questions?

1895
02:59:45,740 --> 02:59:50,700
Then I was just going to ask, you know, I know this commission has a disdain for electronic message centers.

1896
02:59:51,420 --> 02:59:59,640
I don't quite feel that strongly about them, but I would be curious, you know, I feel like every electronic message center that we've looked at.

1897
03:00:00,660 --> 03:00:26,120
We've kind of asked the applicant to explain the appeal of them. And I'd be curious from Dearberg's perspective, you know, what's the benefit of, you know, 94 inches by 178 inches of electronic message center right below their big logo, you know, how do you guys weigh, you know, kind of the cost of any MC there versus just giving up that space to your other tenants or what's what do you guys see as the benefit for that.

1898
03:00:26,940 --> 03:00:32,980
Yeah, if I may, that's a great question and we actually have these in the majority of our locations

1899
03:00:32,980 --> 03:00:36,680
and the purpose of them is to communicate to our customers.

1900
03:00:37,560 --> 03:00:42,440
It will run sale prices, et cetera, and it's very important, very integral to speaking to

1901
03:00:42,440 --> 03:00:49,460
our customer and the point of the size of it, you know, these used to be lightbulbs and

1902
03:00:49,460 --> 03:00:52,060
quite candidly did not look very good and they weren't very appealing.

1903
03:00:52,060 --> 03:00:54,920
And essentially now, they're made to where from

1904
03:00:54,920 --> 03:00:58,600
Dactronics that they're almost like a television screen

1905
03:00:58,600 --> 03:01:00,880
and the clarity is absolutely wonderful.

1906
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:03,740
It is a huge investment for us for this,

1907
03:01:03,740 --> 03:01:05,600
but it is very important for us to speak to our customers

1908
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:08,120
and run sales and specials and let folks know

1909
03:01:08,120 --> 03:01:09,440
what's going on within the store.

1910
03:01:09,860 --> 03:01:12,520
So we do believe this is an integral part of our marketing

1911
03:01:12,520 --> 03:01:13,500
efforts towards the customer.

1912
03:01:14,680 --> 03:01:15,580
Great, thanks.

1913
03:01:16,260 --> 03:01:17,540
Thank you.

1914
03:01:18,220 --> 03:01:18,700
Andrew?

1915
03:01:21,230 --> 03:01:21,710
Thank you.

1916
03:01:21,870 --> 03:01:22,970
I'd say I have a couple of questions.

1917
03:01:22,970 --> 03:01:30,310
I know that it's sort of continuing on in the same vein of what Commissioner Everskirts said

1918
03:01:30,310 --> 03:01:37,470
is that there's been questions and other electronic message center signs that have had

1919
03:01:39,370 --> 03:01:45,770
brightness that wasn't a just for our brightness. Those two bright and we've had some difficulty

1920
03:01:47,190 --> 03:01:56,550
working with some of those people. And so I just wanted to, like, obviously, I guess it's

1921
03:01:56,550 --> 03:02:00,950
coming on place with all these signs that they'll be scaled up and scaled down, brightness,

1922
03:02:00,950 --> 03:02:05,150
based on the time and how bright it is during the day. Is that correct?

1923
03:02:07,050 --> 03:02:08,590
That is a, a John, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

1924
03:02:08,810 --> 03:02:12,530
I was going to say that, that is correct. We've been working really closely with Jared over

1925
03:02:12,530 --> 03:02:18,370
in science. And he's pretty familiar with how what we need to do and how we do things here in

1926
03:02:18,370 --> 03:02:22,630
Christwood. There are also the same company that's seen in the science for TDNail up the street.

1927
03:02:23,450 --> 03:02:28,390
And we feel like there's both things that are already in the science code to talk about how this

1928
03:02:28,390 --> 03:02:34,290
sort of should be done and if it's not compliant, there's parts of our code that say they have to fix it

1929
03:02:34,290 --> 03:02:38,590
and get it compliant. But we also feel comfortable based on the documentation that they've submitted

1930
03:02:38,590 --> 03:02:40,690
to us in the conversations that we've had,

1931
03:02:40,910 --> 03:02:42,450
both on this sign and prior signs

1932
03:02:42,450 --> 03:02:44,650
that we're not gonna have any issues with compliance.

1933
03:02:44,790 --> 03:02:46,290
And if we do, I think we'll be able to take care

1934
03:02:46,290 --> 03:02:46,770
of it quickly.

1935
03:02:47,290 --> 03:02:49,310
And I'll let Drew go ahead and add his two cents an afternoon.

1936
03:02:50,430 --> 03:02:51,750
Okay, that's important to get you.

1937
03:02:51,830 --> 03:02:52,890
So that makes sense.

1938
03:02:53,030 --> 03:02:54,410
I just want to double check.

1939
03:02:55,050 --> 03:02:56,810
Yeah, and these can also be ran from your iPhone,

1940
03:02:57,170 --> 03:02:59,310
any more of the technology has come so far on these.

1941
03:02:59,530 --> 03:03:03,770
So it can be dialed back, you know, four or backwards

1942
03:03:04,210 --> 03:03:05,430
at a moment's notice.

1943
03:03:06,210 --> 03:03:07,470
Thanks, Mr. Baxter.

1944
03:03:07,650 --> 03:03:08,370
Maylar, Mr. Grace.

1945
03:03:10,010 --> 03:03:10,770
Any other questions?

1946
03:03:11,490 --> 03:03:13,330
Mr. Chairman, I just have a comment.

1947
03:03:15,130 --> 03:03:23,610
Maybe I'm getting ahead of this, but I would just maybe request that if we make a motion to approve this that.

1948
03:03:23,730 --> 03:03:31,430
With the, you know, the pending final site plan in the addition of a crosswalk that this location could be adjusted

1949
03:03:31,430 --> 03:03:36,010
as needed to ensure that there's visibility through that intersection.

1950
03:03:37,990 --> 03:03:39,650
I know it's listed as a proximate.

1951
03:03:39,850 --> 03:03:43,430
I just kind of want to just make sure that that's out there.

1952
03:03:44,930 --> 03:03:47,670
John, do we need that as a condition,

1953
03:03:47,770 --> 03:03:51,590
or is that something that the staff can ensure?

1954
03:03:52,010 --> 03:03:54,570
That's something that will ensure that the sign-proving process

1955
03:03:54,570 --> 03:03:56,870
once it gets to that point we go through all the approval.

1956
03:03:56,970 --> 03:03:59,910
At that point it's going to get a public services

1957
03:03:59,910 --> 03:04:04,230
the part of the apartment authority had a good look at it, they'll have a greater look at it once

1958
03:04:04,230 --> 03:04:09,890
we get a little further down the line instead of proving permits for this sign and they told us 25 feet

1959
03:04:09,890 --> 03:04:13,850
if it needs to get moved back another four feet I'm sure we can make that work as long as we're

1960
03:04:13,850 --> 03:04:20,990
not cutting into the visibility and depriving the applicant of their property value by doing that.

1961
03:04:21,290 --> 03:04:29,890
So I think we'll be able to make that work I think we'll be able to move it as we kind of need to

1962
03:04:29,890 --> 03:04:38,670
And that this ingress in the address in the media and the approximate location will make sure that it's no pure and 25 feet if it needs to be more will make sure that it's more.

1963
03:04:39,650 --> 03:04:40,290
Thank you.

1964
03:04:40,630 --> 03:04:41,770
Thank you.

1965
03:04:42,150 --> 03:04:46,770
Any other questions or comments or concerns from the commission.

1966
03:04:49,470 --> 03:04:50,250
Seeing none.

1967
03:04:50,610 --> 03:04:59,650
Commissioner Evergreen's comments were reflective of my general position with regard to electronic signs, but I've been beaten back by.

1968
03:04:59,650 --> 03:05:07,650
applicants in the Board of Aldermen. So I will entertain a motion to you approve the

1969
03:05:08,430 --> 03:05:14,770
this a request for an electronic sign with the condition that the construction be tied to the

1970
03:05:15,330 --> 03:05:21,190
our correlate with phase one completion. Is there a motion to approve that

1971
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:26,640
anybody.

1972
03:05:30,060 --> 03:05:33,080
I'll make a motion to approve commission or my record.

1973
03:05:33,620 --> 03:05:35,720
Thank you, Commissioner Markord, is there a second?

1974
03:05:37,660 --> 03:05:39,380
I'll second, Commissioner Zipfell.

1975
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:40,120
Thank you, Greg.

1976
03:05:40,520 --> 03:05:41,720
I still want to be first.

1977
03:05:43,020 --> 03:05:46,340
Moved, thank you, Mr. Markord, for the planning zoning and architectural view commission.

1978
03:05:46,700 --> 03:05:50,560
Recommended the board of all of an approval of an ordinance to grant a commissionly use permit,

1979
03:05:50,720 --> 03:05:53,100
allowing D3 commercial realty group LLC,

1980
03:05:53,800 --> 03:05:55,860
direct an electronic message center,

1981
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:59,220
shopping center sign at one Crestwood Plaza, Crestwood, Missouri,

1982
03:05:59,360 --> 03:06:00,600
along Watson Road,

1983
03:06:01,400 --> 03:06:11,720
that shall be constructed in correlation with the phase one completion, the motion was

1984
03:06:11,720 --> 03:06:15,800
seconded by Commissioner Zipfel and Jeff, when you are ready, could we have a roll

1985
03:06:15,800 --> 03:06:17,080
call vote on that?

1986
03:06:17,240 --> 03:06:17,680
Yes.

1987
03:06:17,960 --> 03:06:18,460
Chairman Swaney?

1988
03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:21,600
Commissioner Zipfel?

1989
03:06:22,540 --> 03:06:22,860
Yes.

1990
03:06:23,660 --> 03:06:25,180
Commissioner Wilkinson?

1991
03:06:25,480 --> 03:06:25,980
Yes.

1992
03:06:26,900 --> 03:06:27,620
Commissioner Milford?

1993
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:28,600
Yes.

1994
03:06:29,660 --> 03:06:37,920
Commissioner Meyer Quart. Yes. Commissioner Bunderman. Yes. Commissioner Errorsger. Yes.

1995
03:06:38,780 --> 03:06:48,200
The motion passes seven to none let it be noted that I have voted in favor of an electronic media sign.

1996
03:06:49,780 --> 03:06:56,440
This matter will be boarded to the board of all of them at its next regularly scheduled meeting.

1997
03:06:57,340 --> 03:06:59,460
That ends our public hearings.

1998
03:07:00,120 --> 03:07:03,920
I would entertain a motion to close our public hearings.

1999
03:07:05,060 --> 03:07:05,640
Hereings.

2000
03:07:06,020 --> 03:07:07,140
I'll make the motion to close.

2001
03:07:07,640 --> 03:07:08,080
Thank you.

2002
03:07:08,440 --> 03:07:10,180
Commissioner Zippell is there second.

2003
03:07:10,680 --> 03:07:10,920
I say.

2004
03:07:11,440 --> 03:07:12,240
Thank you.

2005
03:07:12,440 --> 03:07:14,560
Commissioner Bunder and all those in favor.

2006
03:07:14,820 --> 03:07:14,920
Hi.

2007
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:15,800
Hi.

2008
03:07:15,800 --> 03:07:23,320
Thank you. Hearing none of the public hearings scheduled for this evening are now closed. Our next item on our agenda is new business.

2009
03:07:24,460 --> 03:07:27,680
A subdivision plaque for one Crestwood Plaza. John.

2010
03:07:28,900 --> 03:07:35,040
Thank you, Your Honor. This is a preliminary subdivision plaque for the Crestwood crossing development and one Crestwood Plaza.

2011
03:07:35,280 --> 03:07:41,580
The petitioner is seeking to subdivide the single parcel on one Crestwood Plaza for the Crestwood crossing horizontal mixed use development.

2012
03:07:41,580 --> 03:07:49,140
The proposed plant would divide the parcel into two lots eight for commercial about 24.5 two acres and be for residential

2013
03:07:50,200 --> 03:07:51,660
22.45 acres

2014
03:07:52,700 --> 03:07:56,760
roughly 50 50 depending on how much you want to split here

2015
03:07:57,380 --> 03:08:00,080
This gives us an idea as far as what it's gonna look like

2016
03:08:00,660 --> 03:08:06,500
Lot A would consist of the outlots that are along lots and a road the city music side is already subdivided out

2017
03:08:06,500 --> 03:08:11,480
That's included as part of this and then all of that would be one parcel and then everything

2018
03:08:11,480 --> 03:08:18,420
for the McBride portion over here in Lot B would be a separate parcel. This is a much more

2019
03:08:18,420 --> 03:08:22,200
detailed part that shows some of the elevation lines and a whole lot of other stuff that

2020
03:08:22,200 --> 03:08:24,920
is almost near impossible to read on the computer screen.

2021
03:08:27,100 --> 03:08:29,220
And the the final site plan is going to

2022
03:08:29,220 --> 03:08:33,700
modify the site with the two primary parcels. And then three out lots along lots and a row in

2023
03:08:33,700 --> 03:08:38,320
the five total lots in addition to city music, which like we've said is already a standalone

2024
03:08:38,320 --> 03:08:41,580
personal and not part of a plaque. These lots are as follows.

2025
03:08:42,120 --> 03:08:45,700
A lot one is going to be the principle anchor, so in the development, the accessory

2026
03:08:45,700 --> 03:08:49,480
buildings and the proposed plaza area on the western portion of the parcel.

2027
03:08:50,200 --> 03:08:54,240
A lot two will be shoved divided in the E-D-1, lots for symbol family homes in addition

2028
03:08:54,240 --> 03:08:59,820
to the open space on the property that's talking about the open space that's in the

2029
03:08:59,820 --> 03:09:02,260
northeast corner of the property there.

2030
03:09:02,640 --> 03:09:07,220
A lot three, four, and five would be along lots in the road and this gives us an idea

2031
03:09:07,220 --> 03:09:09,800
for what that's going to look like as that's light out.

2032
03:09:10,140 --> 03:09:12,800
So earlier in the evening there was a concern about whether or not

2033
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:19,320
approving the big bride homes would allow for them to be just placed anywhere on the parcel.

2034
03:09:19,920 --> 03:09:22,300
This plant would ensure that that is not happening.

2035
03:09:22,540 --> 03:09:26,660
That it's only going to be part of the site plant as it's planned out.

2036
03:09:26,780 --> 03:09:28,820
And we'll only take place in a lot beat.

2037
03:09:29,180 --> 03:09:33,320
I don't see a situation where deer birds are going to be giving up that control

2038
03:09:33,320 --> 03:09:35,340
and having the bride go to that.

2039
03:09:35,340 --> 03:09:38,520
certainly not going to be part of the redevelopment agreement that's not anything that's

2040
03:09:38,520 --> 03:09:42,880
not anybody's radar, but approving this plan would further reinforce the idea that the

2041
03:09:42,880 --> 03:09:49,280
residential portion and the three McGride villages will be on a lot too of the plant here,

2042
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:56,320
and the commercial portions will be here here and over in this portion as well and here is where

2043
03:09:56,320 --> 03:10:02,410
the grocery store will be, here's where the plaza space will be, a couple other restaurants over here,

2044
03:10:02,410 --> 03:10:05,770
And we're all familiar with the site plan at this point.

2045
03:10:06,350 --> 03:10:10,010
This is not an item that the Commission is making a recommendation on.

2046
03:10:10,010 --> 03:10:14,090
This is an item that the Commission has the power to approve, approve with conditions

2047
03:10:14,090 --> 03:10:14,850
or deny.

2048
03:10:15,530 --> 03:10:19,290
And the Commission has encouraged the discussed the reasons for either voting for or against

2049
03:10:19,290 --> 03:10:19,770
the plan.

2050
03:10:19,770 --> 03:10:24,530
It is written in the coming that if the plan is denied, the reason must be rendered in recorded

2051
03:10:24,530 --> 03:10:25,390
in the midst.

2052
03:10:25,930 --> 03:10:29,590
The mayor and the board of all of it had the power to review to reconsider the Commission's

2053
03:10:29,590 --> 03:10:34,550
decision on this matter if they so choose and I am recommending the approval of this preliminary

2054
03:10:34,550 --> 03:10:42,970
fact commissioners any discussion with regard to this item.

2055
03:10:50,260 --> 03:10:53,160
Hearing none, I would hear me.

2056
03:10:53,160 --> 03:11:00,920
This is commissioners, it felt. So with this, with this subdivision, are we, does this also

2057
03:11:00,920 --> 03:11:06,520
to constitute approval of the layout of of of the parcels of land for each of the properties.

2058
03:11:08,480 --> 03:11:08,600
John.

2059
03:11:09,540 --> 03:11:12,040
I will leave that one for the city attorney to answer.

2060
03:11:17,320 --> 03:11:23,160
The reason this comes up is because you know part of the conversation we had earlier about the site plan approval had to do with the open space.

2061
03:11:23,760 --> 03:11:34,120
And so if there's adjustments or modifications to the open space that might affect the parcel layout or the parcel shape or something like that then I don't know that I would be interested in approval.

2062
03:11:34,120 --> 03:11:37,220
So I'm interested to hear what what our attorney is to say.

2063
03:11:37,260 --> 03:11:40,840
But my understanding is they would be approving how this looks right here.

2064
03:11:41,000 --> 03:11:41,600
Is that correct?

2065
03:11:41,980 --> 03:11:43,240
Well, I think so.

2066
03:11:43,400 --> 03:11:48,500
And to be candid on you, you probably would know this better than I and I would just remind

2067
03:11:48,500 --> 03:11:53,460
the just because you've had more time to review what has been submitted as the preliminary

2068
03:11:53,460 --> 03:11:56,060
plot than I have.

2069
03:11:56,520 --> 03:12:00,900
And I would just emphasize to the commission that this is approval of a preliminary

2070
03:12:00,900 --> 03:12:06,080
are very plat and that they still will have to go through the final plat approval process and

2071
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:14,040
what the code says about approval of final plat and if you can bear with me I'm trying to pull

2072
03:12:14,040 --> 03:12:17,980
up the section so that I have this exactly right.

2073
03:12:27,250 --> 03:12:30,110
So the rezoning should be concurrent with

2074
03:12:33,430 --> 03:12:38,850
when there is a proposed subdivision as we're doing here and the code also states that in no

2075
03:12:38,850 --> 03:12:40,590
the Board of all of them in a private final

2076
03:12:40,590 --> 03:12:42,970
platform board adopting an ordinance of proving the

2077
03:12:42,970 --> 03:12:45,890
rezoning of the this subject track.

2078
03:12:46,330 --> 03:12:51,150
So in other words, the I guess the final

2079
03:12:51,150 --> 03:12:55,550
plan of approval is going to depend on the approval of

2080
03:12:55,550 --> 03:12:57,970
the of the rezoning planned to be on the next

2081
03:12:58,510 --> 03:12:58,910
juice.

2082
03:12:59,410 --> 03:13:01,870
I'd genie, I see you have your hand up.

2083
03:13:01,910 --> 03:13:05,110
If you can help educate us on this, we'd appreciate it.

2084
03:13:05,230 --> 03:13:07,810
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to help

2085
03:13:07,810 --> 03:13:09,710
clarify maybe some of the questions.

2086
03:13:10,330 --> 03:13:14,590
What's before you on this particular vote is just merely a lot split.

2087
03:13:14,810 --> 03:13:20,410
It's just dropping a line so that we can own it in two separate entities.

2088
03:13:21,050 --> 03:13:23,030
It's not approving any layout at all.

2089
03:13:23,130 --> 03:13:27,710
In fact, from a title standpoint, what we have to come back after the waterball done in

2090
03:13:27,710 --> 03:13:33,410
a proves if they approve the zoning and the final development plan, we would have to come

2091
03:13:33,410 --> 03:13:41,250
with the record platform, the single family, residential to subdivide all of those lots into individual

2092
03:13:41,250 --> 03:13:46,170
lots. The same would be for the commercial if they want to subdivide outlacks on that.

2093
03:13:46,630 --> 03:13:53,170
So this is just merely a lot split. All we're doing is dropping a line for title reasons.

2094
03:13:53,730 --> 03:13:58,390
That is it. It does not approving a layout. It's not approving any carve-up of individual lots or

2095
03:13:58,390 --> 03:14:02,670
lot. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. It's basically just dividing them into two,

2096
03:14:02,670 --> 03:14:08,950
24-ish, acre lots. That's correct. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. Yeah,

2097
03:14:09,010 --> 03:14:16,670
thank you so much. John, I've got a question for you then on that note. So was there a reason that

2098
03:14:16,670 --> 03:14:23,950
procedurally the entire site we decided to to rezone at plan development mixed use and then come back

2099
03:14:23,950 --> 03:14:31,870
parcel it off in this manner, in lieu of creating the parcel split, and then coming back and saying

2100
03:14:31,870 --> 03:14:37,850
a lot be is going to be not planned development, mixed use in college, you know, are three or are,

2101
03:14:37,850 --> 03:14:43,550
you know, two or whatever. Can you advise or explain a little bit about the thinking behind that?

2102
03:14:43,750 --> 03:14:48,070
My understanding is that when the request for proposals was put out last year, it was put out

2103
03:14:48,070 --> 03:14:53,650
for a mixed use district and that the property should be zone PDMXT as a result of that.

2104
03:14:53,650 --> 03:14:59,970
So this is keeping in spirit with the request for proposals and keeping in spirit with what the city wanted to see for us.

2105
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:15,920
That it should be a site that's selling mixed use and kind of the same feeling that the commission had was regardless of how the layout is, if it's horizontal, if something else is going on with it, having it as a mixed use development was what made the most sense.

2106
03:15:16,720 --> 03:15:25,160
So I think that there's certainly an argument to be made that you could have said, you know, we'll split it into two lots and lot be becomes PDR and the state's PDC or something like that.

2107
03:15:25,160 --> 03:15:29,460
That wasn't really in the spirit of what the RFP asked for, so that was what the applicants

2108
03:15:29,460 --> 03:15:33,980
went ahead and submitted. I'm sure there wasn't any, you know, um,

2109
03:15:34,240 --> 03:15:38,680
further on, on Dearburg side to say that we need to be zone on there. I certainly, there was

2110
03:15:38,680 --> 03:15:43,640
on the drive side, but I think that just kind of makes sense as far as what it was that the city asked

2111
03:15:43,640 --> 03:15:49,140
for is far the, um, what we wanted to see in a development. And then leave it up to the developers

2112
03:15:49,140 --> 03:15:52,080
to work out the specifics of what exactly it was that they were proposing.

2113
03:15:54,640 --> 03:15:55,600
Thank you very much.

2114
03:15:57,140 --> 03:16:04,100
Any other questions or comments from commissioners, and if not, I would entertain a motion to approve?

2115
03:16:07,290 --> 03:16:07,670
Thank you.

2116
03:16:07,790 --> 03:16:08,270
Motion to approve.

2117
03:16:08,930 --> 03:16:09,350
Thank you, Greg.

2118
03:16:09,590 --> 03:16:10,410
Is there a second?

2119
03:16:13,330 --> 03:16:13,730
I'll second.

2120
03:16:14,790 --> 03:16:15,210
Thank you, Jordan.

2121
03:16:16,950 --> 03:16:17,830
It was moved by commissioners.

2122
03:16:17,830 --> 03:16:24,530
The bill that the planning zoning architecture review commission approves a plan to subdivide the parcels at one

2123
03:16:24,530 --> 03:16:30,390
we play as a nine to nine one Watson Road Crestwood Missouri. The motion was seconded by

2124
03:16:30,390 --> 03:16:36,530
Commissioner Wilkinson. Jeff, when you are ready, I will accept a roll call.

2125
03:16:37,090 --> 03:16:40,510
Absolutely. John, did I? I didn't miss any conditions. So, did I?

2126
03:16:40,610 --> 03:16:44,570
So, I know conditions. Okay, perfect. Thank you. All right. Chairman Sweeney?

2127
03:16:46,790 --> 03:16:50,750
Commissioner Zifkel? Yes. Commissioner Wilkinson? Yes.

2128
03:16:51,910 --> 03:16:58,050
Commissioner Noford? Yes. Commissioner Bunderon? Yes. Commissioner Myercourt?

2129
03:17:00,730 --> 03:17:01,030
Yes.

2130
03:17:02,150 --> 03:17:02,870
Commissioner Everskard?

2131
03:17:07,930 --> 03:17:09,050
Commissioner Everskard, do we lose?

2132
03:17:14,360 --> 03:17:16,580
Looks like we lost him, but we got 68.

2133
03:17:17,600 --> 03:17:20,080
We lost him, but we do have six days, the most of those care.

2134
03:17:20,280 --> 03:17:21,020
Motion carries.

2135
03:17:23,900 --> 03:17:27,380
Okay. That is all the items we have on new business.

2136
03:17:27,380 --> 03:17:30,840
The next item on our agenda is a discussion.

2137
03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:44,500
There are no particular discussion items listed is there any items that the commissioners wish to raise at this point.

2138
03:17:46,700 --> 03:17:47,820
Seeing none.

2139
03:17:49,140 --> 03:17:52,620
Alderman Kennedy, if you're still with us.

2140
03:17:53,300 --> 03:17:55,240
We're ready for your Alderman record.

2141
03:17:56,580 --> 03:18:07,120
Thank you, Chairman Swinney and first, just a thank you to Dear Burns to Drew and Brent for your great presentation.

2142
03:18:07,340 --> 03:18:12,460
I really appreciate it, Jeannie, with her pride and nice job.

2143
03:18:13,020 --> 03:18:20,880
Really appreciate the level of detail you've gone through and to all the commissioners really enjoyed all of your comments.

2144
03:18:22,880 --> 03:18:25,980
just we have a lot of work to do yet.

2145
03:18:25,980 --> 03:18:28,040
I'm hopeful we can figure out something,

2146
03:18:29,740 --> 03:18:34,080
but really appreciate the camaraderie and the collaboration

2147
03:18:35,480 --> 03:18:39,860
and working towards the great of good for our citizens.

2148
03:18:41,080 --> 03:18:45,180
And also thanks to the public for your feedback and interest as well.

2149
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:48,160
Another word that many speaking tonight,

2150
03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:52,300
But still, I think they're comments for, well, we see.

2151
03:18:53,700 --> 03:18:57,160
On the board of all of it, we had a, we actually had a meeting last night.

2152
03:18:57,580 --> 03:18:59,500
It was real light, which was great.

2153
03:19:00,900 --> 03:19:02,220
Really, there was nothing controversial.

2154
03:19:02,440 --> 03:19:06,600
We had a discussion on this concept of flatware,

2155
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:09,220
which it really relates to stormwater detention.

2156
03:19:09,360 --> 03:19:11,280
It relates to dryways and padiose.

2157
03:19:12,140 --> 03:19:14,000
There's really no action taken.

2158
03:19:14,340 --> 03:19:16,160
Similar to the,

2159
03:19:16,740 --> 03:19:24,020
a lot coverage and lots of escalation. We're working through a lot of research and so we kind of

2160
03:19:24,020 --> 03:19:30,560
kicked it back to staff to do some more research before we consider that maybe further and really trying

2161
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:36,160
to tie it into what the commission's doing with law coverage etc. So those two kind of go hand in the hand.

2162
03:19:37,100 --> 03:19:43,820
And really that's all I have. Hope everyone knows a good night and be good and be safe. Thank you, Commissioner.

2163
03:19:43,820 --> 03:20:09,920
I'm sorry. Thank you. I hope you understood the concerns that were expressed and our, I believe, unanimous desire to see you local stalwarts here in Crestwood. I look forward to everything else that we can work with together.

2164
03:20:09,920 --> 03:20:39,900
And I too would like to thank the staff or all of their excellent work on this and I would like to thank the commissioners for their excellent spirit and thoughtful comments with regard to this. I, I, I, I, I'm sure there are folks who are disappointed. I hope they're not angry with the vote. I are the votes that occurred. I hope it is understood that I think that this, this commission work.

2165
03:20:43,400 --> 03:21:05,600
to deliver its charge. As I indicated, we have a different constituency than some of the other boards and elected officials, and I think everyone on this board takes that seriously and I just want to say thank you again to the applicants for an excellent presentation and thank you for everyone else for all your hard work.

2166
03:21:06,180 --> 03:21:09,600
With that, we have nothing else on the agenda and I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

2167
03:21:10,480 --> 03:21:11,280
I'll make that motion.

2168
03:21:11,960 --> 03:21:13,360
Thank you. Greg, is there second?

2169
03:21:15,000 --> 03:21:15,400
I'll second.