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in order. Everyone, please stand and

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recite the pledge of

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>> allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Hey Ashley, can I have a roll call,

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>> Briggs.

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>> Cavalier

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>> here.

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>> Breen last

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>> here.

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>> Chastel

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>> I don't think Clayton said here.

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>> Clayton not here. Clayton did say it

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here. I was I didn't I put you as absent

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called. I'm here.

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mark her here and Briggs here.

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All right. It's time for the open form.

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any issue not already on tonight's

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agenda may come to the podium. State

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your first last name and address,

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chambers, we'll move on. This brings us

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to the agenda. Does anyone wish to add

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agenda? [clears throat]

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Can I have a motion to approve tonight's

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>> I'll make that motion, your honor.

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>> Leon and Henry. Thank you. Discussion

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hearing none. Roll call, please.

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>> Okay. Motion carries. This brings us to

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the consent agenda. Does anyone wish to

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>> And I have a motion to approve the

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consent agenda. Motion by Don. Thank

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you. Is there a second?

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>> Okay. Okay, motion carries. Uh, we have

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>> your honor. [clears throat] Item 7.01 is

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a public hearing to consider the request

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related to the Minnesota Investment Fund

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myth assistant program u to Northstar

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Lime LLC provided to Northstar LLC.

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>> Okay. Uh to ensure everyone has fair

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opportunity to speak, each person will

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minutes to provide comment. you come

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forward. Please state your first, last

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name, and address for the record. All

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remarks should be directed to the

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council and must be related to the

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subject of this hearing.

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interruptions or personal attacks will

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be permitted. When your time is up,

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Ashley, our city clerk, kindly ask you

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to finish your sentence so we can move

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anyone wish to address the council? So,

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please come to the podium. State your

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first last name and address, please.

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My name is Phil ShraMM. I live here in

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Krookton, Minnesota. I am also employed

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by Northstar Line. Uh I [snorts] serve

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as their CFO with their company. And um

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I would just like to just give a little

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bit more background. Also, if there were

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any questions in regards to um the

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request here for an extension

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um on uh on the compliance uh for the

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grant as far as hiring the number of

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employees. Uh currently on hand we have

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17 people employed. Um two years ago

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there were one. So uh uh we have made

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strides in that. When we uh two years

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ago when we applied for the loan and

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submitted in and put a business plan in

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um our plan was to be up to 21 people.

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everything goes according to plan all

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the time. But in this case it didn't

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quite do that. Um so uh uh we ran into

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some issues particularly on one

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enterprise in our company which depends

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largely on a piece of equipment uh that

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we purchased uh that produces biochar.

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with the operational part of that and uh

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that has slowed our progress in being

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able to get to where we want to be and

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employ the people necessary to operate

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it. So, [snorts] that's uh mainly why

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we're at and why we're requesting an

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extension to to hopefully uh continue to

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build uh our company and add employees.

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So, you you did get another new piece of

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equipment, right?

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uh we we did not purchase a new piece of

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equipment. We're currently working with

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the one that we have. Um the part of our

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problem is the manufacturer went

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bankrupt and is no more was bought out

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by another company and we're trying to

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work with them to uh uh

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to to fix some of the the issues that

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doing most of that in-house. uh and um

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the uh the biochar industry I go in and talk

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a lot more about it but uh essentially

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we're looking at a different piece of

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equipment that we may uh decide would be

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the uh better route to go but we'll have

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over the next few months to try to make

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a decision on on how we want to do that

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and and approach the issue. So we've

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kind of just had to hold back additional

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hiring and so forth until we kind of

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resolve through that issue. So thank

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>> You had a question.

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>> Yeah, Phil, thanks for good to see you.

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Uh can you define biochar?

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you sequester carbon and uh what it is it's it's a process. It's basically

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like a big furnace that burns without

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oxygen. You take um what they call

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biomass. In in our case, we've been

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using oat halls, sunflower halls. Um you

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can also uh use wood. There's all kinds

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of different but you burn it basically

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at a high temperature without oxy oxygen

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basically sequesters the carbon into ash

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and then that that ash has value. And uh

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there are right now it's a relatively

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new market uh with biochar and uh

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there's people that are interested in

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it. Um it's it's good for soil

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amendments. It's good for filtration. It

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has lots of uh has a a strong absorbent

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feature that they're looking at helping

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to absorb pollutants and waste and stuff

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>> so, so if if the city gets funded on the

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DNR grants to fell 100 plus ash trees,

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are you able to use that waste product,

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so to speak?

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with those that have been on the ground

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floor trying to do grants and so forth

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to get that up and we've been in uh

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discussions about uh how we can be of

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assistance in utilizing that wood waste.

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council uh for the state of Minnesota um

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and uh they they're just a big large

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issue [clears throat] of trying to

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address wood waste and stuff and so

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that's part of another scale plan that

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we're looking at. So [snorts]

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>> thank you.

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>> Any further questions?

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Thank you Phil.

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>> Okay.

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Anyone else from the chambers?

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» May I add just to share a quick thing

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just for clarification. We did on the

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myth loan, it was about a $430,000 myth

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loan. And uh part of that was a $100,000

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grant if we reach that uh employment

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level of 21 people. And that's the part

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that we're asking extension on is that

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$100,000 forgivable portion of the line.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> How long would the extension be before

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>> one year?

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» Anyone is else wish to address council

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» hearing? None. I'll close this public

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hearing.

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Uh no regular agenda items tonight.

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Uh we'll go to council reports. Darren,

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please.

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>> You I did attach my report, but I'd also

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just want to again thank Taylor and

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Kenan for all the hard work that went

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into organizing, advertising, and

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setting up the Krookton Connected event.

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Uh I think the event was a huge success.

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Very happy with the number of people

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that attended. So again, thank you for

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all the hard work that you put into

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that.

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>> That's all, your honor.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Uh Wendy, anything?

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>> Um the same thing. It was a great event.

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Good job to Keenan and Taylor for

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putting that together. Awesome. Fun to

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get out and and mingle with their

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community members.

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That is it for me for now.

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>> Thank you, Delane.

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>> Yeah, same thing. Great event. I think

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it's something we can continue to build

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on in the future. So, just glad to be

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there.

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>> Thank you, Don.

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>> You like I'd like to thank uh Kenan for

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the job you did. We had a lot of people

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there and that we don't see very often.

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Good conversations and uh about the

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council and also the city. Thank you

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very much. Appreciate it.

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>> Thank you, Don Clayton.

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>> Same as the others. Otherwise, I don't

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have anything else.

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>> Thank you, Henry.

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>> Yeah, good job. Kenan and Taylor and

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Michelle and Chris were also there and

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did a really good job with their stuff

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as well. Just that's all I got.

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>> Thank you, Joseph.

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>> Yeah, it's a it's a ditto. I I'm glad

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you mentioned Michelle. She was an

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important part of that as well. Um it's interesting. It's not just having

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the small conversations, but having

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something really impactful coming out of

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that. Um, and I and I think I had a

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number of different

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small discussions with people and I

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think there's going to be some positive

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light coming out of that. Also wanted to

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say uh kudos to the people who are

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moving snow. Uh, it's been really

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important lately. um uh they're so good

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at it [laughter] and um but I'm also

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getting calls uh that that that they're

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so good at it sometimes they're

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injecting snow

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above and on people's um vehicles and uh

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places where they've already cleared the

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sidewalk. So um so it's it's like great

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job but it's hard to please everyone I

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would say. Um and then my other

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announcement would be question earlier.

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I thought we had already discussed and

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voted on um the people on the boards and

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the excuse me on the committees and so

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on. Um so I was surprised that we saw it

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again. Maybe we had just discussed it

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but we didn't actually vote on it.

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>> There was just one additional person.

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>> Yeah, that was at the ways and means for

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June Dinarki that is going on our IRP.

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So,

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>> so we formalize it again,

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>> right?

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Starts at ways and means and then it has

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to be formalized at the council meeting.

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>> Thank you for that.

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>> That's it for me.

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>> Thank you,

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>> Morgan.

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>> Uh, nothing different than everyone else

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has said. Just thank you for everyone

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that was involved in the event. It went

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really good. I had a great time.

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Hopefully, we can do it again.

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>> Thank you, Morgan. Yeah, kudos to what

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everyone said and also uh probably

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missed some people, but with Phil there

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and Shannon and the displays and the

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knowledge that everybody had.

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Um same with Teresa from our housing and

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uh Tiana. So, it was a great event. It

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was a nice turnout for

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as cold as it was. So, I think we can

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build from it. Kian, thank you. Tan

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Taylor, she's not here, but thank you.

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Uh, that is all I have. So, uh, just a

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reminder, we do have a ways and means

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meeting tonight. So, nothing else come

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before council. We are adjourned. Thank

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you everybody.

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committee meeting to order for Monday,

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February 2nd, 2026.

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Uh we've got three items on the agenda.

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We start with the West Central Regional

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Water District presentation. This would

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be Lucas

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and Stephen from AE2s.

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>> Yeah. No, good evening everyone. Uh just

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wanted to um introduce Lucas Spaith with

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West Central Regional Water District. Uh

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I happen to be the engineer for both the

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city of Krookton and West Central. Um so

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I've been meaning to get the two groups

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together for a long time. I think

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there's some kind of good things coming

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um and it could be a good complimentary

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relationship in the future. So um as

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discussion happens and uh Lucas goes

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through the presentation um I'm here to

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add color commentary basically if

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questions arise from both sides. So with

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that I'll turn it over to Lucas.

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>> All right. Thank you for being here.

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>> No, if you want to just say next slide.

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Okay.

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>> Well good evening. Uh appreciate your

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time this evening. Again, my name is

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Lucas Faith. [clears throat] I am the

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superintendent of utilities for the city

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of Hollstead. Small community

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[clears throat]

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to the south here about 30 miles. Um I

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do appreciate your time, council and

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mayor. Um what we're doing, um so I'm

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the superintendent there, but I'm also

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appointed as a board a board of board

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director for the West Central Regional

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Water District. It is a threecount

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board set up to to deliver um and um

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purchase and deliver rural water um to

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small communities, large communities um

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and rural residents.

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[clears throat]

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Um so what it is if you I think you guys

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maybe received these beforehand um but

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the it's it's a true regional approach.

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the three counties, you know, including

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Pulk, Norman, and uh Klay County, um

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decided after, you know, some time of of

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going through this that this this looked

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like a a real good way to serve rural

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customers, but also the the communities

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that are involved with it uh um with

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different different sorts of needs that

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I'll I'll kind of touch base on um in as I go along here. But as you can see

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just kind of the the color comment of

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the of the picture here you know it's showing you know egg egg farmland

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um small cities large cities um

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definitely less infrastructure uh

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according to like you know water

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treatment what you know what wells maybe

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are are needed um the ability to find

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wells um those sorts of things. So, so

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the regional approach uh really

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resonated with the county boards. Um

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after quite a few meetings with them, we

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had we had some conversations with um I

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think we at least had at least three

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meetings with each county board and in

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the [clears throat] in the process of

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kind of developing this.

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Um [clears throat]

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so, as you can see in your packet, um

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there's a lot of reasons for for for

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this to to work out well. these small

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communities um have have issues finding

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operators. They have issues, you know,

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putting reinvestment into into their

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existing infrastructure uh where maybe

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their rates aren't aren't properly

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aligned with, you know, what they need

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for the future or even in the past. Um

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it allows for um you know, this allows

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to kind of work with with a bigger

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group. that, you know, the counties are appoint they appoint the the board

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of directors, but they also um Yes, sir.

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>> I'm getting lost a little bit. Can you

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describe exactly what what what it is

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that you're representing here? This is a

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regional approach to water. What what

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exactly do you mean by this?

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>> Uh it's a platable water system. So once

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we're actually going through a state

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statute to be established as a water

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district, and it'll be very similar to municipal or city water, but it'll be

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distributed through three counties.

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So by vehicle, not by pipes.

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>> This will be all be by pipes.

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>> By pipes. Yes.

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>> Y mean these great distances. Okay.

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>> Yep. So in consideration um North Dakota

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actually has about 90% of their the

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state is covered by rural water and so

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and it's all pipeline. So they've installed enough water line to

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serve rural and then other communities.

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Willist would be a good example of how

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it really expanded really quickly and they had to put a big larger

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investment into it. You know, North

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Dakota actually, you know, they've got a

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little bit they've got what they call

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legacy funds. So, they have some money

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that the the state continues to put in

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to their infrastructure and it is um

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water is included in in that

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infrastructure that that that they can

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continue to do. a small town like Park

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River, you know, they actually, you

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know, have their treatment plant and

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they supply some out into the into the

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rural and then there's other other areas

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where um small communities are they you

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don't see a water tower in our town

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because they're served by rural water um

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directly. So

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>> the source in North Dakota is the

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Missouri River, right?

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>> Well, it varies. Uh there are surface

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water plants throughout scattered

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throughout North Dakota. some of the

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Missouri River. Um, cities like Grand

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Forks, Fargo get their water out of the

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Red Lip River, Red Lake River. Uh, a lot

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of the water districts actually get

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their water from, uh, aquafers and

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groundwater. So, uh, Williston's is that

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Lucas mentioned, um, that comes from a

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surface water. So, it it kind of depends

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where you're at.

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» Good questions. Um, we can go on to the

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next slide.

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Um, like I mentioned, there's three it's three counties that appointed the

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boards. It was based on population. So,

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Kurtson was actually put into um their

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population was put into it with PK

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County um at least um as as we sit right

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now eventually. You know, that could change one way or the other.

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Um but PK County has four

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representatives on the West Central

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board um including two county

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commissioners. And then Norman County

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has two um directors on the on the

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board, one one county commissioner and

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myself. And then Klay County has three

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um directors on the board, including two

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county commissioners. So they have they

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the county commission has got some

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00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:28,960
oversight on, you know, how they want

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00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
this established, you know, what the

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process is involved with the policy

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making um as as we continue to go

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forward. Um we are the first water

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district that will be formed since the

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mid80s. Uh so engineering and legal fees

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have u been strenuous uh at least. Uh

547
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,537
we've we've kind of had to rewrite

548
00:32:53,537 --> 00:32:55,279
[clears throat] a a law that was written

549
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,960
in the late '7s. U not really rewrite

550
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
reread it and and uh and u figure out

551
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,519
what it means. Anyway, so um we are in

552
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,000
the process of that. In uh April 17th,

553
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,877
we will be um having um our final

554
00:33:11,877 --> 00:33:13,360
[clears throat] court hearing which I'll

555
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,440
touch on a little bit here a little bit.

556
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,279
Evolution of the of the boundaries. So

557
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:18,960
the city of Climax actually served by

558
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,799
Royal Water right now. It's served by

559
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,399
East Central Regional Water District,

560
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:25,120
which is on the North Dakota side of of

561
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,679
the Red River val or the Red River. And

562
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,240
they um they've been getting served I

563
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
think it's about 3 years now. Um, and so

564
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,159
they'll be taking their water tower

565
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,799
down, which I' I've heard that they'll I

566
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,640
don't have my director from there, but

567
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,480
he's got the old Krooksson water tower

568
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,240
that stands in climax if you guys didn't

569
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,519
know that. So, he's [clears throat]

570
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:48,389
willing to give give it back. [laughter]

571
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:50,799
Um, so I just yeah, just kind of some

572
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,360
commentary there. Um so Climax has

573
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,679
served um right now the engineers have

574
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:58,559
recognized a uh a pipeline project

575
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,799
number one phase one we're calling it.

576
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,519
Um it's a highway 75 corridor. It is

577
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,760
climax. So it goes from PK county all

578
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,360
the way through Norman County into Klay

579
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
County. It serves I think eight

580
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,560
different communities in project one and

581
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,440
uh we are in the process of uh you know

582
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,040
looking for state funding and I'll touch

583
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:26,629
on that on the next slide here.

584
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,399
So, right now, um, we've expended about

585
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:35,440
$3.2 million in development and design

586
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,520
and getting through this court process

587
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,000
to become a water district. Uh, we've

588
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
had many meetings with different city

589
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,200
councils, um, small, large. Um, I've

590
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,240
been to East Grand Forks and u we've met

591
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,359
with uh um many of them. Okay, that's

592
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:55,359
the slide I was looking for.

593
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:56,720
[clears throat]

594
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,599
>> Sorry, my slides are jumping around.

595
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,599
>> You want to go up to that colored one?

596
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,884
>> Y, please.

597
00:35:03,884 --> 00:35:04,400
[snorts]

598
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,320
>> Thank you.

599
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,079
Um,

600
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,079
so as you can see the different colors

601
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,640
there. engineering um which you you guys

602
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,839
know Stephen um they've recognized um

603
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,560
close to 16 different kind of buildouts

604
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,599
that we would perceive this uh going

605
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,839
with um as you can see Krookxton is kind

606
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:26,560
of on the edge of of two different ones

607
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,720
um where the real rural consumers would

608
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,079
benefit from um you know connections

609
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,599
into existing water systems um we've met

610
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,200
with um East Grand Forks Grand Forks,

611
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,440
East Central Rural Water, Cask Row

612
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,720
Water, City of Fargo, City of Morehead,

613
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,800
um City of Barnesville,

614
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,839
City of Holly, City of Fost,

615
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:53,680
um

616
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,839
Southeast Water Users District, which is

617
00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:00,720
the is the the uh south um west

618
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,599
southeast corner of North Dakota. Um but

619
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,560
we've recognized them as as potential um

620
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,119
suppliers of water and Ken would be one

621
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,760
of those potential suppliers of water

622
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,280
based on um your capacity to um supply

623
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,640
water from Aquafer your capacity to u to

624
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,119
run it through your existing plant. This

625
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:27,200
water district does not um intend to to

626
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,000
build a water plant at this point. Uh it

627
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,359
makes it more economical for us to we

628
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,040
think it'll be more economical to

629
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680
purchase water from existing facilities.

630
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,240
It it improves our economics. It

631
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,200
improves um you know the the economics

632
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,240
for each larger water system. If you can

633
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,520
supply water up to uh 25 million gallons

634
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
a year or or maybe it's 100 million

635
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,079
gallons a year uh that are purchased

636
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,880
back from an existing water plant and

637
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,000
then we can build build pipeline um as things grow and as you can see

638
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,839
there's you know if there's 16 different

639
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:07,280
phases we have many many years of

640
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,960
growing.

641
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,640
So, so what's the difference between

642
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,400
what which what you're proposing and

643
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520
this a Marshall Pulk rough water is that

644
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,599
would that is that similar?

645
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,920
>> Yeah, it's very similar. Yep. Marshall

646
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Pulk um serves Marshall and Pulk

647
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,040
counties. Um we've approached them for

648
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,200
water supply as well in into our our

649
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,400
existing.

650
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,839
>> Um they don't have a lot of water. We I

651
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,880
guess um when our counties formed it,

652
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,440
Marshall Pulk wasn't necessarily

653
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
interested in in expanding into Norman

654
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,720
and and Clay counties.

655
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,320
>> Okay.

656
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,960
>> So, but but yes, exactly the same. I

657
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,320
think there's only f there's there's

658
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,119
five existing water districts in in

659
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,240
Minnesota. Um and and they're in the

660
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,760
north northwest and the southwest

661
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,520
including you know like parts of them

662
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,040
are even purchasers of the Louiswis and

663
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,520
Clark um water system which is

664
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,000
13 13 states

665
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,440
>> uh like 13 cities

666
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000
>> 13 cities.

667
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,839
>> I got a quick question. Let's say

668
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:20,079
Krookxen is a whole supply and water,

669
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,440
rural water. Um

670
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,920
does that put a strain on our water

671
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,680
plant where we have to

672
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,480
>> you're so the one of the reasons why

673
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,880
Krookton was evaluated

674
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
uh for a long-term water supplier is we

675
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,960
had looked at you know who has that

676
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,800
large infrastructure in place with

677
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
likely excess capacity as kind of our

678
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,280
first goaround. Um, and Krookton's plant

679
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
actually is only running at about a

680
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
quarter of its capacity currently. Uh,

681
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,920
so your water plant actually has

682
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,440
sufficient capacity um to build out um

683
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440
and add more without adding a whole lot

684
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,320
of infrastructure needs. Um, the

685
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,760
long-term question with the city of

686
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Krookton though is, you know, the

687
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,440
strength of your well fields and water

688
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,880
supply. um which is why the city's

689
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,640
undergoing another study right now

690
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,720
that's going to help kind of inform some

691
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,160
of these next steps and long-term

692
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,560
um decision- making for the city. So

693
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,079
>> So go ahead. Sorry.

694
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,079
>> So they the DNR who or engineers whoever

695
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,160
would be looking at our wells.

696
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,839
>> Yep. depending on how much they would

697
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,320
look at how much extra, say if this

698
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,359
district was looking to um buy from the

699
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:41,599
city of Krookton, you know, the DNR

700
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,440
would want to know how much, you know,

701
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,680
what's it going to look like? Um and

702
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,240
then alternatively, if for some reason

703
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,000
an industry came in and the city of

704
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Krooksen wanted to buy for some reason,

705
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
there's the potential for that as well.

706
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,960
So

707
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
>> the users are we talking primarily about

708
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,440
agricultural areas or are we talking

709
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,760
about other cities outside? How do you

710
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,000
how are you defining rural users of the

711
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640
water that exits here?

712
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,839
>> Who's mainly going to be using that

713
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,800
water?

714
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,079
>> Uh so it it would be both. It it would

715
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,640
be both. Um like city of Climax right

716
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,320
now is purchasing water from a rural

717
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,320
water district. Um, City of Hollstead

718
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,760
where I am at, we're in the process of

719
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480
financing um kind of a water access

720
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,960
charge to buy in access into the into

721
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,359
the North Dakota facilities so that we

722
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:34,960
can have water supply. Um, so each

723
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,280
community it it really helps with like

724
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,640
kind of getting the communities

725
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,599
involved. Well, you know what I'm

726
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,800
getting at though. I'm talking about So,

727
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,440
you have agricultural areas which use a

728
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,079
whole lot more water than than than we

729
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,079
are an agricultural area than than a a

730
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,693
Would you be asking like livestock

731
00:40:51,693 --> 00:40:54,079
[clears throat] and like um irrigation

732
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,359
pivots? Is that kind of what you're

733
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:56,000
asking?

734
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,240
>> Yeah. Well, well, it could be um

735
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,319
we all eat, we depend on farms. I don't

736
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:03,680
I'm just trying to get a sense of you

737
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,480
have a farm area, real area that will

738
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,040
either have animals or just growing

739
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200
crops and both use a lot of water.

740
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,440
>> And would they would they be able to use

741
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,960
for water?

742
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,400
>> Um I I think we would develop it for for

743
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,520
the the livestock, but not definitely we

744
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,119
could we couldn't build it big enough

745
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,000
for for for you know watering watering

746
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,079
fields. So then I was I was I was

747
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,680
thinking along those lines and then have

748
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,119
you done an assessment then of how much

749
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:31,839
water that takes?

750
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:33,119
>> You know they'd all want at the same

751
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:33,599
time

752
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,440
>> versus I mean I mean you look at the

753
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,760
Aala aquifer, right? And that's too many

754
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,920
straws going to the same and the water

755
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,920
levels are going down, right? And so now

756
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,200
they're have to change their farming

757
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,160
methods because of that.

758
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,640
>> Yeah.

759
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,079
>> I'm not saying this is going to do that.

760
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,920
I'm just wondering if you're doing the

761
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,599
calculations to figure out what the need

762
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,359
is because it's really about two things

763
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:53,440
for water, right? It's it's quality and

764
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,359
quantity. you have the right quality and

765
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:56,640
you have enough water,

766
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,280
>> right?

767
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,880
>> Clearly you have enough water because

768
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,720
you're giving a nice presentation saying

769
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,480
that we have water to go elsewhere,

770
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,720
>> which is great. Um, so anyway, have you

771
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,040
done the calculation to see how much

772
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,119
what what the potential users are going

773
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,720
to need versus what we have? You said

774
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,319
that we're at 25% capacity right now.

775
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:15,520
>> So, what would this what would this

776
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,560
bring us up to then?

777
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,720
>> Yeah, I I'll

778
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,680
touch on that quick. So the uh the

779
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,240
entire region, the 3count region, 30

780
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,880
cities, all the rural residents,

781
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,800
um looking at a projected use of about

782
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,920
1.6 billion gallons long-term. That's

783
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,200
just what all that's what the current

784
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,960
use is

785
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,720
times 25 years uh or not times 25 years,

786
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,400
in 25 years using uh population trends

787
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,119
and growth. what we had kind of planned

788
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,480
for in our initial uh master plan and

789
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880
rural hookups and municipal hookups

790
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,599
looking for an annual water use of about

791
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,920
8 to 900 million gallons is kind of what

792
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,680
we're uh basing our current models on uh

793
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,520
based on the S or the interest we've

794
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,119
seen to date

795
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,359
>> gallons what's the unit time

796
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:10,400
>> million gallons per year

797
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:10,960
>> per year.

798
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
>> Yep. So, uh, to put that in perspective,

799
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,079
the city of Krookton, uh, uses on

800
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,280
average from 310 to 350 million gallons

801
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,960
per year. Um, so, uh, just a couple

802
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,640
times time or couple times the size of

803
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,760
the city of Krookton. Um, and the

804
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,440
thought would be that there'll be likely

805
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
be multiple water sources uh throughout

806
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,599
this district. So, um, as far as demands

807
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,079
solicited from the city itself, that

808
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,319
would be kind of ongoing future

809
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,960
discussions, I would say, of, uh, what

810
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,599
could possibly come from here versus

811
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,079
North Dakota versus

812
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,319
Morehead, East Grand Forks, wherever. So

813
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:56,480
>> yeah, we've we've recognized kind of our

814
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,680
initial buildout being with East

815
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,040
[clears throat] Central Rural Water for the first phase and of course that's

816
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,960
that Highway 75 corridor um south south

817
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,400
of Krookton um where um it would make

818
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
sense for us to either you know pipe

819
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,280
those together eventually and if if

820
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,760
Krookson was you know a supplier or East

821
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,599
Grand Forks was a supplier that we would

822
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,480
have multiple supplies for redundancy,

823
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,319
but also, you know, looping similar to

824
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,400
what a city does have that we have the

825
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,560
ability to move water. I mean, it's been

826
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,079
a big lift for A2S to try to develop

827
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,040
kind of a master plan that might take 20

828
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,640
years to build out. Obviously, we know

829
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,560
when the master plan comes out, it's a

830
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,680
little bit different within minutes or

831
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,560
hours.

832
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,160
>> Can you go back to Delane's question too

833
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,839
about the source of water here? Can you

834
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:47,040
explain a little bit more about our

835
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400
source water here that we got into

836
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,400
>> yours? Well, I can tell you what I know

837
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,760
about your source water, but that's the

838
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,160
DNR is a little bit concerned concerned

839
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,880
to us with us approaching you guys

840
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,800
because of your aquifer. so that having

841
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000
your wellfield uh study done um makes

842
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
sense that you would need to know that

843
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,200
before you could ever ever think about

844
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,160
selling water to a to another entity,

845
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,760
especially that one that was going to

846
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,680
use, you know,

847
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,626
>> recently had a large business

848
00:45:17,626 --> 00:45:19,760
[clears throat] that was

849
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,920
possibly coming into our community and

850
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
there was some concerns at that time

851
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,040
>> just to just uh just to have enough

852
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,839
water just for that one business. let

853
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:32,960
alone a tri-state area. So that the

854
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,560
amount of water coming out of our

855
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,319
aquifer kind of concerns me a little

856
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:36,960
bit.

857
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,960
>> Wasn't that like a quarter million

858
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,560
gallons a year for that one business

859
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,040
alone?

860
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,160
>> I think wasn't it something like that?

861
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,680
>> I think so. Something like that.

862
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,040
>> Okay.

863
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,119
>> And that was a concern at the time

864
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,040
>> to supply that in addition, you know,

865
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,000
that was one year.

866
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,880
>> Yeah.

867
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,880
>> In addition to

868
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,560
>> But I think to studies will show

869
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,440
>> right before that even came a reality

870
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
too. I know the DNR and the watershed

871
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,839
were going to do studies to see if the

872
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:02,640
capacity

873
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,319
>> did we had some studies done though, did

874
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:05,359
we? I mean,

875
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:07,440
>> I don't think it was really in depth yet

876
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,400
cuz we

877
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,520
>> Brandon had some studies done maybe. I I thought

878
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,359
before Brandon left there was some

879
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:17,200
studies that were done. I thought we

880
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,119
paid for a study.

881
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,440
>> You uh the city still has a phase two

882
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,520
study ongoing with bar engineering. Um,

883
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,520
so you should see actually a draft of

884
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,960
that in the next couple months, I think

885
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,160
was their last report. So, um, that'll

886
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,079
help influence a lot of city kind of

887
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,560
decision making and next steps on

888
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,359
anything in the future, whether it be a

889
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,760
district like this or industry coming in

890
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,720
or so,

891
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,720
>> um, you name it. A question I have, and

892
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,240
I apologize if you're going to get to it

893
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,640
later, if we if we do get into a

894
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
contract, are we are we tied into that

895
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,920
contract if um for gallons of water per

896
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
year?

897
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,000
I mean, is there is there any um so like

898
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,319
say we get a dry year and our our our

899
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:03,200
aquifers, our our wells are running low,

900
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,319
but we have to commit to you guys x

901
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:08,720
amount of gallons of water

902
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,599
per year. Are we tied to that then? I

903
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,960
mean somewhat, but that would be, you

904
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
know, a drought situation where um, you

905
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,400
know, I would assume Krookton and West

906
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,079
Central all would be doing, you know,

907
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,079
their drought prepare or, you know,

908
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,079
going through the drought preparedness

909
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,560
um where, you know, you would shut off

910
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,319
industry. We would shut off any kind of

911
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,400
industry. We had those sorts of things,

912
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,400
you know, kind of a step stepping stone

913
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,720
down. That's how that's how most you

914
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,680
know drought preparedness plans are are

915
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,000
right now is that you would shut down

916
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,240
you know your your you know your your

917
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,839
first tier would get shut down then your

918
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:47,520
second tier and then your third tier

919
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,440
where and then you know it

920
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,160
>> sure mean it's a regional drought that

921
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,040
could be just a drought um that covers

922
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,240
just our aquifers and our wells. I mean,

923
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,319
we've had issues where we've got

924
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,000
involved in other communities and just

925
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,200
seem to have any issues. So, in that

926
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
situation, what would happen?

927
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Well, that is that's that's concerning

928
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,359
that that that if that is possible. I

929
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:16,319
think the well field, you know, your

930
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:19,920
wellfield um study, your your step two

931
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,359
of that um should be able to alleviate

932
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:24,960
some of those concerns that the DNR

933
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,559
might have um or or else or else

934
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,440
strengthen their concerns uh about your

935
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,480
ability to serve more than what you you

936
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,160
currently have. So I mean it that's

937
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,839
pretty important to us that you guys

938
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:42,079
know what you can supply so that there

939
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,760
wouldn't be this hey we we we're not

940
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,319
sure it's dry you know you know what the

941
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:51,760
farmers took all the water out of the

942
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,440
aquifer and now we don't have the water

943
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,760
we can to serve you know the actual

944
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,280
people that need it for the drinking

945
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
water.

946
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,839
>> Okay.

947
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,520
You didn't talk much about the arsenic

948
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,160
contamination in private wells, but you

949
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,839
said 43% in your presentation. 43%

950
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,119
Norman County, which is that%

951
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:12,640
[clears throat]

952
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,920
43% Norman County has that problem or

953
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,920
that's some data that engineering pulled

954
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040
off of the MDH website. [snorts]

955
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Um, and and so it would be a

956
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,640
representative sample, not that every

957
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,800
not that 100% of the wells have been

958
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,960
sampled, but the of the ones that were

959
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,079
sampled, it was the 43%. So of of the

960
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,520
samples that they had, no matter what

961
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480
number it was, 43% of those you had 40

962
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,119
if you had 100 wells, you're saying 43

963
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,200
of those wells in Norman County that

964
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,559
were tested have a high arsenic level.

965
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:45,200
Yeah. Right.

966
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,599
>> Above the above the state minimum.

967
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,430
>> Thank you.

968
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Well, I'll

969
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,920
>> I'll try to be brief on the rest of this

970
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,160
here. [clears throat] Go to [snorts] the

971
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,880
next slide.

972
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,960
Um okay. So today um the West Central

973
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,839
District um is formed by resolution.

974
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,240
We're a legal entity. We're not a public

975
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,119
water system. Um we have a petition with

976
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,040
the district court which is also is in

977
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,480
Klay County District Court. Um that was

978
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,040
kind of worked out between the um county

979
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,160
administrators and the county um the

980
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,599
county board members that are on our

981
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,160
board to do it through Klay County. So

982
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,720
on April 17th, we will be having our

983
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,994
final hearing. That final hearing

984
00:50:33,994 --> 00:50:35,440
[clears throat] allows the West Central

985
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,280
Water District to become become a water

986
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,000
district and to um be um eligible for

987
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,040
state funding to be eligible for, you

988
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,559
know, similar similar funds that city or county would get through um tax

989
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,079
dollars um through the state. And then

990
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:57,599
um

991
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,839
well with that I better I need to touch

992
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:02,800
on this. We have 19,500 mailers going

993
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,520
out and your city residents will be part

994
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,000
of that as part of the statute. Um it's

995
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,400
mandatory that we send those out. Um so

996
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,000
we have met with Mr. Getsman about this

997
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,839
uh kind of made him aware of it. Uh we think that they'll become lots of

998
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:21,920
questions and it'll probably come to the

999
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,079
locals and then probably go well above

1000
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,240
us and go into the Minnesota Department

1001
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,160
of Health. Um so we're trying to be

1002
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,440
upfront um getting this information out.

1003
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,920
I I think Mr. Gatman just told me that

1004
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,960
he received the letter from us um today.

1005
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,839
So I'm sure you'll see a copy of that in

1006
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:43,680
um shortly, right? Yeah.

1007
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,920
Um, but so you'll you'll receive a

1008
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,280
letter from West Central Regional Water

1009
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,975
District stating, you know, our our

1010
00:51:49,975 --> 00:51:51,520
[snorts] intentions, which is what I'm

1011
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400
here to try to explain as well. And then

1012
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
we will uh your residents will also be

1013
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,599
receiving that or or your land any land

1014
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,559
owner in Krookton. I believe that that

1015
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,319
could be somewhat helpful maybe for the

1016
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,079
city of Krookton. We're we're willing to

1017
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,160
share information. So with that, if

1018
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,760
there's surveys that come back, they're

1019
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,480
inside the city limits. you might get,

1020
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,866
you know, a free survey out of uh out

1021
00:52:14,866 --> 00:52:18,640
[clears throat] of our out of our our

1022
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,319
mandatory court court filings. So, in

1023
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:26,240
your packet also, there's um

1024
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,440
next slide here.

1025
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,760
Here's the public notice. Um it has

1026
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,240
what we're doing. Um your residents do

1027
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,160
not need to show up for the court

1028
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,400
hearing. It is strictly a hearing. the

1029
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,720
judge will not make a ruling that day,

1030
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,760
but if there is, you know, people

1031
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,760
proponents for it or people against the

1032
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
water district, um, they are welcome to

1033
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,960
come and make comment. I believe

1034
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,520
there'll also be a Zoom option. So, if

1035
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,680
you're interested and you're sitting at

1036
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,280
your desk and you want to watch on the

1037
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,160
17th, uh, Mr. Slick will actually be

1038
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,319
presenting

1039
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,240
the good portion of that of that

1040
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,079
presentation to the judge. Um in our

1041
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:11,920
packet, you'll also have the frequ

1042
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,480
frequently asked questions. So we've um

1043
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,240
we've been at this for a couple of years

1044
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,000
now. We uh definitely have um a few, you

1045
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,640
know, pre pre-baked answers to some of

1046
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,079
these questions. Um but the roundabout

1047
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,079
way of it is, you know, it is it's

1048
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,319
pipeline. We're bringing potable water

1049
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:32,160
to some of those wells that don't, you

1050
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,559
know, have arsenic issues. There is

1051
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,800
there's people in in in rural areas that

1052
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,119
haul water still at this point in time

1053
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,920
because they can't find viable water. I

1054
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,480
mean, even flowing water uh in some

1055
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,440
cases. [snorts]

1056
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,000
So, um it's been recognized that this is

1057
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,839
a good project. We've had really good

1058
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:51,680
success. We've met with you know about

1059
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,920
12 different cities that have signed

1060
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,079
what we call memorandum of inclusions

1061
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,319
but it's a memorandum of understanding

1062
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:01,280
saying that we we we want to be planned

1063
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,400
for. So that's how this has expanded um

1064
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,400
you know down up and down Highway 9 up

1065
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,800
and down Highway 75 and we've just kind

1066
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,359
of started from the North Dakota border

1067
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,920
and uh been working our way out. So,

1068
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,839
we're trying we've we've mailed out to

1069
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,559
all the city councils in the in the

1070
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,400
three county area and um all of the land

1071
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,559
owners in the area will soon receive

1072
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,400
something from Klay County District

1073
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,720
Court asking or or telling them about

1074
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,960
the hearing.

1075
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,960
So,

1076
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,400
your frequently asked questions are in

1077
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:40,150
your packet as well. Do you guys have

1078
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,960
anything more? Mr.

1079
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
What's it what's in person's benefit to

1080
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,839
do this?

1081
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:50,640
Um well so if you were to use your

1082
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,400
existing infrastructure and this is what

1083
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,800
I've told some of the other um larger

1084
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,200
public water systems like if you can use

1085
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,440
that to its most economic benefit you

1086
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,040
know like the life of the you have the

1087
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,319
life of your plant and you put that

1088
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:04,000
investment in but if you can really

1089
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,240
optimize what you're what you're

1090
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,240
producing out of it and then make you

1091
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880
know a little bit extra on it you like

1092
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,119
so you have a margin on what you at

1093
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:14,720
least I assume you would have a margin

1094
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,240
on the water that you sell to your

1095
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,079
existing

1096
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,960
constituents in in your community. Um

1097
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,640
but you would have an an additional

1098
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,359
margin on top of that that now you can

1099
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:27,520
you know put put away for the next plant

1100
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,599
or put away for different

1101
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:30,400
infrastructure.

1102
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,240
>> Sell the water to you.

1103
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,040
>> Yes.

1104
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,880
>> Who who dictates how much we can sell

1105
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,720
the water to you or

1106
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,573
>> we get to negotiate. [clears throat]

1107
00:55:38,573 --> 00:55:40,000
[laughter]

1108
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,079
>> So it's not a set price that we have to

1109
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:43,280
abide by,

1110
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,720
>> right? We'll be looking for the most

1111
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,880
economical way to serve our our

1112
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,520
consumers as well. So, I mean it'll be,

1113
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,760
you know, a way that, you know, try to

1114
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,040
optimize, you know, existing

1115
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,440
infrastructure, but also finding the

1116
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,520
best deal and we want quality water. I

1117
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,160
mean,

1118
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,319
>> so can you give me an example of a

1119
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:02,480
community that's already doing this and

1120
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,760
how much that um how much they're

1121
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,520
bringing in a year roughly? I mean, is

1122
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,520
it um

1123
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,559
is it is it a million? Is it 500,000? Is

1124
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:13,520
it?

1125
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,880
>> Oh, you'd have a

1126
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,440
Oh, I don't have I don't I don't we

1127
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,040
don't have any communities that are

1128
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,640
actually selling to us right now. And we don't we don't we we don't have a

1129
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,720
purchase agreement with anyone or or a

1130
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,280
water access charge. Um but I I would

1131
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,839
say it's somewhere around that, you

1132
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:34,960
know, $2 per thousand maybe that they're

1133
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,040
bringing in. But, you know, that's

1134
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,520
there's a a margin error there, too. So,

1135
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,599
you're probably in the 3 to 5% margin.

1136
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,240
So, if your operations, if your all-in

1137
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,480
operations and maintenance, you know, is

1138
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,799
$5 per thousand and you're selling it at

1139
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:51,920
$6 per thousand, that's in in in in the

1140
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,680
utility world, that's a decent margin,

1141
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,520
right? So, maybe it's only if you're

1142
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,640
producing it at five and you have maybe

1143
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,960
existing or future capital investment in

1144
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,559
that. You might be able to sell it for

1145
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,799
$5.50 50 cents and that 50 cents is your

1146
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:07,440
margin where you're it's a 10% margin on

1147
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,960
top of you know what you're existing or

1148
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,680
you're doing it right now just

1149
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,789
generically.

1150
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:18,640
So, so in that negotiation, that

1151
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,359
contract, um, then I would I would I

1152
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:23,200
would think you you you would also say

1153
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,000
if we did have a difficult year, that

1154
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,599
something in there would be written to

1155
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,799
say city of Krookton still gets their

1156
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:32,720
water, right, to to do all the things

1157
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,440
that they need to do if that's agreed

1158
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,359
upon ahead of time such that everyone

1159
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,920
who comes to the table understands that.

1160
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,640
Um,

1161
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,079
>> yeah,

1162
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,680
>> right. Because they go sour pretty

1163
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,880
quickly. I um a couple other questions.

1164
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,040
Where is um Warren Standle? Because he's

1165
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,720
Poke County representative, right?

1166
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,400
>> Yes.

1167
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
>> That's not you.

1168
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,920
>> You're Lucas. Right.

1169
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,480
>> Right. So, I'm asking where is Warren,

1170
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,960
>> Mr. Strandel. Um I don't remember what

1171
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,240
he had going on. Um

1172
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,640
>> Okay. [snorts] Just just because

1173
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,240
>> where we are, right?

1174
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,200
>> Right. Great. Nice that he'd be here.

1175
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,200
It's his neck of the woods. Now, can you

1176
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,319
tell us a little bit more about your

1177
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:15,680
funding, the backers? [snorts]

1178
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,599
So, it's $3.2

1179
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,119
three and a quarter million dollars

1180
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,359
local project funding. Who

1181
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:22,799
>> who's backing this again? Where's the

1182
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,000
money coming from? So, the three

1183
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000
counties, um, they put the original

1184
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,040
budget up of $500,000,

1185
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,839
um, to go through the formation process,

1186
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:35,440
do the the preliminary design, and then,

1187
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,000
um, along the way, I'm not exactly sure,

1188
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,839
>> along the way, um, the pole cwell, the

1189
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:45,760
city of Climax decided to hook up to

1190
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,920
regional water to kind of start this

1191
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,440
process.

1192
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,559
um about a $2.1 million from off the top

1193
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,119
of my head uh grant loan funding package

1194
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,760
was secured through the USDA. Um and

1195
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,315
then in the time while that pipeline was

1196
00:59:00,315 --> 00:59:03,119
[snorts] being built uh designed and

1197
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:04,880
then the inception of this district kind

1198
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,520
of concurrently happened uh PK County

1199
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,240
contributed another um just shy of

1200
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,599
$600,000 in ARPA funds as well to upsize

1201
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,400
the physical infrastructure uh in order

1202
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,119
to serve a broader area within Pulk

1203
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:20,559
Norman and Klay County.

1204
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:22,880
>> So I'm hearing grants and counties

1205
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,559
cities but no corporations. No, no. It's

1206
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:31,040
all state, federal, local seeking.

1207
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,880
>> Thank you. Now clarify.

1208
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,480
>> There is a different operation that's

1209
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,040
going in North Dakota that may help with

1210
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,960
a connection

1211
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,880
our direction

1212
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,599
um Riverview Dairy if you're familiar.

1213
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,680
Um they're out of Morris, Minnesota, but

1214
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,400
they build large 25,000 cows [snorts]

1215
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,079
operation.

1216
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,880
um and and they need water, but that is

1217
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,240
on the North Dakota side. Um there's two of them going in on the

1218
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,720
North Dakota side. Um also, we've

1219
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,760
secured um through Senator Clolobashar

1220
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,640
um she secured 1.75 million for the for

1221
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Norman County and then also 1.75 million

1222
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,799
for Felton um that we are currently in

1223
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:14,720
the process of working through with EPA

1224
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,359
on our on our budget. Um but those those

1225
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:19,920
funds should be released um hopefully in

1226
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,960
the next 40 45 days or so that we can

1227
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,880
start expending some of those dollars

1228
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
for the final design and then

1229
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,920
infrastructure.

1230
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,799
One other so like as like like some

1231
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:34,880
small cities as they finance things

1232
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,559
through like USDA or um um you know

1233
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,359
through PPL the PPL list that uh like

1234
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:48,319
city of Hallid is a good example and I I live this every day but um so

1235
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,880
we're trying to secure $3.2 million and

1236
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,280
most of it's for water access charge so

1237
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,040
that the North Dakota side of things can

1238
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,880
get built out. It'll be owned by the

1239
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,880
North Dakota side of things and then

1240
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,440
West Central will actually take over on

1241
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,680
the Minnesota side to serve the city of

1242
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,599
Hallstead, but it will be a H Hallstead

1243
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:11,920
kind of funded um project, but in that same in the opposite of what we

1244
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,440
could do is that we could build a new

1245
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,799
plant for about $3.5 million and then we

1246
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:19,200
have, you know, the same same aquifer,

1247
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,079
same well, same everything and then but

1248
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,280
we have a new plant. And um as far as my

1249
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,880
council is concerned, they'd rather have

1250
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,200
better quality water and and kind of go

1251
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,960
with the pipeline project.

1252
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,400
>> Thank you for indulging us.

1253
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,207
>> You're you're very welcome. Anytime.

1254
01:01:36,207 --> 01:01:37,517
[laughter]

1255
01:01:37,517 --> 01:01:39,359
[snorts]

1256
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:43,670
>> Any other questions for Lucas?

1257
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,200
» Thank you for your Thank you for your

1258
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,720
time, Stephen. Thank you.

1259
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,119
>> Yeah, thank you.

1260
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,480
>> If you have any questions, you know to

1261
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,789
file me.

1262
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,799
Okay, moving on. Uh, discussion

1263
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,559
regarding the Tri Valley Grant.

1264
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,720
Yes, sir. I'll keep I'll try to keep

1265
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,359
these short, get this out of here in a

1266
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:07,520
relatively short period. Um, so, uh, in

1267
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,200
the original deed redevelopment grant

1268
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,880
request, uh, that was proposed to

1269
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,440
council on January 20th, original grant

1270
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,480
amount was for $650,000.

1271
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Uh, that deed redevelopment grant is a

1272
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,440
50% match. So meaning at that time the

1273
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,799
city would have been responsible for

1274
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:24,799
$325,000

1275
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:28,240
if awarded that grant. Um the original

1276
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,559
grant request of $650,000 was

1277
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,720
anticipating the approximate cost to

1278
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,599
demo and redevelop that property. Um

1279
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,520
that number um to my knowledge was

1280
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,720
estimated from speaking with contractors

1281
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,839
um back in like 2024.

1282
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,599
So, in an attempt to obtain an updated

1283
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,160
demo cost as required by this uh deed

1284
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,200
grant, uh the city asked AE2s to provide

1285
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,280
an estimate just to uh try to get us

1286
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,280
closer on what that cost may u be. And

1287
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,119
according to AE2S, the demo costs were

1288
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,640
estimated at approximately, and these

1289
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,799
are all approximate. So, uh don't hold

1290
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,319
this for anything more than what it is,

1291
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:07,839
but just over $1.3 million. Um, and this

1292
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:10,160
estimate does not include uh any

1293
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,520
infrastructure anticipated to be

1294
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,760
incorporated with the highway 2 uh

1295
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,160
reconstruct project. Uh, doesn't include

1296
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,119
any tipping fees or disposal fees and

1297
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,280
does not include any uh temporary

1298
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,520
shoring related to any basement or

1299
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,480
foundation removal uh if needed. So, it

1300
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,880
it's it's not likely. It's it's a known

1301
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,720
that the demo costs are going to likely

1302
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,400
exceed that $1.3 million.

1303
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,400
So after receiving this update

1304
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,960
information, uh Taylor and I had further

1305
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,960
discussion and she informed me that uh

1306
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,400
in relation to this project uh that that

1307
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,480
we could increase that grant amount uh

1308
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,599
to the for this project up to $984,000.

1309
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,960
Again, based on on the engineering uh

1310
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,599
demo cost that we received. And again,

1311
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,400
uh the numbers, uh for this grant, they

1312
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,760
wouldn't include engineering, any

1313
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,400
contingencies, permitting, um and and a

1314
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,359
few other things. Um so, if we were

1315
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:11,680
awarded uh this grant for $984,000,

1316
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,000
again, it would be a 50% match. The city

1317
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,240
would be responsible for uh just over

1318
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,720
$492,000.

1319
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,480
Um so given that the grant application

1320
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,359
was February 1st um prior to any council

1321
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:25,760
meetings u I did authorize Taylor to

1322
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,480
increase that amount from 650,000 to

1323
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,240
984.

1324
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,599
Um, so again, if the project costs are

1325
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,240
similar to AE2S's

1326
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,200
estimates, uh, we awarded this grant

1327
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,880
from deed increasing that amount to

1328
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,559
984,000.

1329
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,440
The city would be responsible for about

1330
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,319
$866,000.

1331
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,240
Uh, notification if we do receive the

1332
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,920
grant would be approximately 6 to8

1333
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,079
weeks. So, we'd hope to hopefully to

1334
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,640
hear something in April. Uh however,

1335
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,079
just given the timeline and everything,

1336
01:04:58,079 --> 01:04:59,839
I'm not sure how competitive we will be

1337
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:01,760
on this grant given some of the

1338
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,240
requirements. Um so if we don't receive

1339
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,440
the grant, um

1340
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,599
the next opportunity to apply for this

1341
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,160
grant would be August 1st, which would

1342
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,920
be too late to have the building

1343
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,839
demolished in 2026 or before any of the

1344
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:21,039
uh 2027 DOT Highway 2 reconstruct

1345
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:24,559
projects. So, um, again, we've had some

1346
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,000
meetings with A2S. We're currently

1347
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,839
working with them to draft and we will

1348
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,680
be publishing an RFP for the demo

1349
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,240
project. Uh, but regardless if we

1350
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,720
receive the grant or not, uh, we are

1351
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,559
going to have to demo that building in

1352
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,160
2026.

1353
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,520
Um, so that means that, uh, we would

1354
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,599
likely have to include the demo cost of

1355
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:47,200
Tri Valley into a bond. Um we're

1356
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,599
actually meeting a few of us are meeting

1357
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:52,079
with Ellers on Monday the 9th to discuss

1358
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,240
bonding for the industrial park. We'll

1359
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,319
also be discussing or I'll bring up you

1360
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:58,799
know options or or ideas for bonding for

1361
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:01,520
the Tri Valley project. So again, this

1362
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,640
is uh just more discussion uh

1363
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,359
informative to just let council know

1364
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,359
that we did increase the grant amount

1365
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:12,000
and that um unless there's other

1366
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,760
directions, we are likely going to have

1367
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,680
to demo that project or that building. I can tell you um A2S, myself, Mr.

1368
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,960
Gatsman and uh Matt Upgrren from

1369
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,720
Minnesota DOT who is leading that

1370
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,280
Highway 2 reconstruct project. [snorts]

1371
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,760
We did meet last week and uh we

1372
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,480
discussed the the options of what if we

1373
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,480
didn't uh tear down Tri Valley and what

1374
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,000
if we did and you know uh Mindot is

1375
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,680
confident in their design that if the

1376
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,039
building was there um that semi- traffic

1377
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,920
and and vehicle traffic would be able to

1378
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,839
make that turn on that intersection.

1379
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,480
However, if the building was removed,

1380
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,200
they would look at likely uh purchasing

1381
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,520
some of that property and recessing that

1382
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,359
intersection and and making more room

1383
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,760
for pedestrians. As we know, it's with

1384
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,280
that building there, it's a very tight

1385
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,920
intersection for pedestrians to stand on

1386
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,440
that corner and wait and monitor for

1387
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,319
traffic. So, um you know, that

1388
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:11,119
discussion went on as as we do have time

1389
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:12,640
even though the plans now I think we're

1390
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,480
coming up to 60% on that highway to

1391
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,119
reconstruct. Uh however, talking to Matt

1392
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,640
and A2S, I mean um you know, if it was

1393
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,400
decided to take this building down in

1394
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,319
2026, which we're fairly confident we

1395
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:26,799
can do, um you know, they would redesign

1396
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:29,280
that intersection to accommodate for

1397
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,160
that. Uh again, maybe recess it back,

1398
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,400
have some more room for pedestrians to

1399
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,559
stand there while they're waiting for uh

1400
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,319
traffic. So, um,

1401
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:41,760
again, just wanted to inform council

1402
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,079
that the numbers are obviously more than

1403
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:45,359
double what we maybe originally

1404
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:48,079
anticipated and kind of what again,

1405
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:49,359
unless there's any other direction on

1406
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:50,799
that building, what what we would like

1407
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,520
to move forward with uh as a city and

1408
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,039
how that looks and of course there'll be

1409
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,880
much more discussion to come in front of

1410
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,720
council with bonding and other amounts

1411
01:07:58,720 --> 01:07:59,200
like that.

1412
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,039
>> More the more we delay it, then it gets

1413
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,520
more expensive each time we start the

1414
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,720
process again. Right.

1415
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,400
>> It does. And if we don't get this grant,

1416
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,000
like I said, the next opportunity we

1417
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,920
would have to apply for it is in August.

1418
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,839
And um you know, that would just we

1419
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,440
wouldn't have any summer left to to take

1420
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,720
this building down.

1421
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,799
>> Um you know, and the whole idea or plan

1422
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:19,440
would be to remove that building this

1423
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:21,920
summer so that it's you know, obviously

1424
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,279
gone and ready for next year, 2027, when

1425
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,359
we uh start that Highway 2 reconstruct

1426
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,719
project. So

1427
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:30,880
>> how how will we sew off in that

1428
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,640
estimate?

1429
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:33,679
You know, those are just the numbers

1430
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,067
that I received from u prior staff.

1431
01:08:36,067 --> 01:08:36,960
[snorts]

1432
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,400
I'm not uh um talking or getting some

1433
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,679
numbers from other contractors, but

1434
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:44,560
again, those numbers were old. Um AE2s,

1435
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,640
uh they're a great firm to work with. Um

1436
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,480
they included, you know, all the

1437
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:49,600
necessary things that were maybe

1438
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,359
overlooked. They've compared it to

1439
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:52,960
several buildings in our region or area

1440
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,880
that have been torn down about similar

1441
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,640
size. Uh, you know, there's some other

1442
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:57,920
factors that were maybe overlooked as

1443
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,560
far as possible historical value of that

1444
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,920
building and what we'd have to do to

1445
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,520
accomplish that to tear it down. Um,

1446
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,400
just a much more detailed likely um,

1447
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,000
realistic bid that we would be looking

1448
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:10,640
at.

1449
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,080
>> The person that was gathering that bid

1450
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,359
did not use

1451
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:14,159
>> excuse me,

1452
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:15,600
>> the person that had gathered that bid

1453
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,332
for us before did not use

1454
01:09:17,332 --> 01:09:18,000
[clears throat]

1455
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,520
to get that information. It's It's

1456
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,359
likely things were overlooked

1457
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,537
>> and and I don't think uh they included

1458
01:09:24,537 --> 01:09:25,440
[clears throat] they were just looking

1459
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:27,520
at demo of the building that not

1460
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,159
including the tipping fees.

1461
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,000
>> Well, this this is not including tipping

1462
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,600
fees either.

1463
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,279
>> So, that 1.3 estimate is not including

1464
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,159
tipping fees.

1465
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,719
>> Any idea how much tipping fees are,

1466
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:43,600
Stephen?

1467
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,440
>> I mean, Walmart [clears throat]

1468
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:47,520
it could go as high as 100 grand

1469
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,000
possibly. Um some of the next steps that

1470
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
uh we had kind of thought and discussing

1471
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:59,040
with Darren and um last week is uh I

1472
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,679
think it would be kind of at this point

1473
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:04,239
it would make a lot of sense to do um a

1474
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:05,840
little bit more thorough cost estimate

1475
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,640
now that we have a little bit of time um

1476
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,239
walk through the building. We got the

1477
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:11,920
architectural plans today, see how much

1478
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,560
mass is there. Um, and just do a little

1479
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,880
bit more factf finding to kind of help

1480
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,440
shore up that cost a little bit, too.

1481
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,800
>> So, you recommend we should have done

1482
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,640
that before and come to you guys with a

1483
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,080
lot more time for you to do that?

1484
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,800
>> It it would have been helpful, but um

1485
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,960
yeah, that that just wasn't time audit.

1486
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,320
That's kind of some numbers we had

1487
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,199
pulled off of some uh historical

1488
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,280
tearowns in the Red River Valley that we

1489
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,760
had just um been a part of. So,

1490
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,360
>> are there any materials in the building

1491
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,239
that could be sold such as copper or

1492
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:43,120
>> I don't know,

1493
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,440
>> you know, sometimes uh and Stephen can

1494
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,159
lightly, but sometimes depending on the

1495
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,080
contract they would hire to demo that

1496
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,320
that's taken into account and sometimes

1497
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,320
is, you know, reduced from the amount of

1498
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,719
demo as they would get that, you know,

1499
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,640
as far as they could recycle or use that

1500
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,199
for some other purposes.

1501
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,600
>> Is that listed under historic?

1502
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,880
>> I believe it is.

1503
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,400
We're checking into that. But again, we were talking about this last week. I

1504
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,360
think

1505
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,719
>> again, don't quote us on the years, but

1506
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:15,520
it isn't anything prior to 1960ish.

1507
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,120
>> It uh I did a find that out Friday. So,

1508
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,960
um if it's over 50 years old, that's

1509
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,560
considered historic.

1510
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,840
>> Uh so, I actually have meeting lined up

1511
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,560
with a couple architectural historians

1512
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,719
to kind of figure out what those steps

1513
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,159
look like. Um, sometimes what you'll

1514
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:35,520
have to do is [clears throat] maybe put

1515
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,480
together a video of the building or a

1516
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,040
plaque there or something. Uh, there'll

1517
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,400
just be a little bit of factf fighting

1518
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,320
that we have to do with them as well.

1519
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,120
So, um, we'll have more details in the

1520
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,960
coming week on that.

1521
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,880
>> I like what you said because you said 50

1522
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,224
and since I'm over 50, I'm historic.

1523
01:11:53,224 --> 01:11:55,590
[laughter]

1524
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,840
» You get a plaque.

1525
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Um, so, so I, you know, I came into this

1526
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880
late, obviously everyone else here has

1527
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,440
been, uh, discussing this for some time.

1528
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,960
I I I assume that that although I'm

1529
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,080
never supposed to assume, but I'm going

1530
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,000
to assume that that this is really about

1531
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,520
safety

1532
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,159
and that and and that [clears throat]

1533
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,320
the other side of not tearing it down,

1534
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,159
it was looked into to see was there a

1535
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,560
way to keep that building and still make

1536
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,280
it safe place when people exit or

1537
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,560
walking down that sidewalk. That was

1538
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,360
looked into. Right. Were there any other

1539
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,800
possibilities of not tearing the

1540
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,120
building down? We have had a few

1541
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,199
>> p that way for people walking in that

1542
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:37,920
area.

1543
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,000
>> We have had some people approach us and

1544
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,760
some interest in possibly purchasing

1545
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,760
that building and redeveloping it into

1546
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,880
housing or something else. Um but you

1547
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,960
know given the the the studies that you

1548
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,960
know Minnesota DOT has done and deemed

1549
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,880
that intersection critical and given the

1550
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,800
space I think it would be in our best

1551
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,280
interest to remove that building to gain

1552
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,360
that access for pedestrians and and for

1553
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,920
the intersection for turning of semis.

1554
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,600
Um, I mean they're they're confident in

1555
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:04,719
their designs that they could move

1556
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:07,040
forward as is with that building there.

1557
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,480
Again, it just restricts that

1558
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,120
intersection to about six or eight feet

1559
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,840
for pedestrians to stand there.

1560
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,960
>> So, I don't know if I answered your

1561
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,199
question, but

1562
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:17,600
>> just

1563
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,360
>> exactly [clears throat]

1564
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,280
I'm sorry. So, go ahead.

1565
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,960
>> I mean, they they did do that build out

1566
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,520
there and they've done things to like

1567
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,320
try to make it safer and I mean, and it

1568
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,920
didn't work.

1569
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,679
>> Yeah. And so I guess when when it's that

1570
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:33,120
expensive then you're forced to relook

1571
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,560
at okay do I but if it's a safety is

1572
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,920
it's sort of this okay

1573
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,280
>> that is that it would be that's the

1574
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,360
primary reason or I guess the primary

1575
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,280
purpose of tearing that building down

1576
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,320
would be for safety for pedestrians and you know for motorists to be able to

1577
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,400
safely turn at that intersection

1578
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,480
specifically semis because remember the

1579
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,320
highway 2 reconstruct project they are

1580
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,840
you know reducing to two lanes and

1581
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,159
expanding the sidewalks and a bike lane

1582
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,560
which will narrow that intersection for

1583
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,640
turning for larger vehicles like semis.

1584
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,520
>> So, what's it look like for

1585
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,320
bonding for that for our yearly um

1586
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,840
I mean I know you got some other stuff

1587
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,159
you want to bond for, but I mean

1588
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:17,199
>> we're going to try to get the big

1589
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:19,360
picture as far as bonding at least for

1590
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:20,560
this year. You know, we have the

1591
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,880
industrial park, we'd have Tri Valley to

1592
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,199
worry about that would be likely 2026

1593
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,040
bonding. There's been talk about doing,

1594
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,239
you know, temporary bonds until we're done with the Highway 2

1595
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,719
reconstruct project uh and then rolling

1596
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:35,120
them into a general obligation bond. Uh

1597
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,400
I don't know all the answers for that.

1598
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,760
Like I said, we're meeting on Monday to

1599
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,760
discuss that further. Um you know,

1600
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,600
however, if we uh you know, temporary

1601
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,760
bond you make only interest payments on.

1602
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,360
Uh temporary bond is typically up to

1603
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,960
three years, which can be extended for

1604
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,280
another three years if needed. Um, if we

1605
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:50,960
just elected to go right into a general

1606
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,000
obligation bond, year one of 2027 would

1607
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,560
be an interest payment and then moving

1608
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,000
forward would be the actual payments

1609
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,719
roughly easy math to get ballpark on the

1610
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,719
payment amount which again know that

1611
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:04,159
dollar amount is about 8% of that's

1612
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:05,199
going to be your annual payment for

1613
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,040
that.

1614
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,400
you know, is that something we can

1615
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,480
swing, do you think, as as a city, with

1616
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,159
all of our other challenges that we

1617
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:13,360
have? And,

1618
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,239
>> you know, like [snorts] like we've

1619
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,679
discussed earlier in budget season and

1620
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:17,280
that with these projects coming forward,

1621
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,800
there's going to have to be some serious

1622
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,520
discussions in 2027, moving forward on

1623
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,000
operational costs and and services we

1624
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,679
provide to make sure we can accommodate

1625
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:28,320
all that. We could likely be looking for

1626
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,719
um you know, 27 and beyond uh bond

1627
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:33,520
projects of you know, 250 plus thousand

1628
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,880
a year in bond payments if not. I mean,

1629
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,960
is it and I know some of this is hard,

1630
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,520
but is it possible once we decide to go

1631
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,159
if we go forward with this, we get a a

1632
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,800
kind of a firm number on how much our

1633
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,560
how much we'll be bonding and how much

1634
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,800
of that's we're going to have to pay

1635
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,400
yearly? I mean, can is that something

1636
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,320
that can happen when we decide this?

1637
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:55,600
>> Yeah, absolutely. We would have a

1638
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,199
structure that would be provided on

1639
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:58,560
exactly what that would look like

1640
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,560
>> and then what you know and after getting

1641
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,480
that then we as a group can decide you

1642
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,920
know what what does that look like for

1643
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,320
our

1644
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:05,199
>> absolutely

1645
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:06,960
>> they would have an they would have a

1646
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,480
percentage amorization schedule

1647
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:09,679
everything they're showing council

1648
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:16,070
before they move forward. Absolutely.

1649
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,159
my my concern about selling uh you know

1650
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:21,840
if there was a someone interested in

1651
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,400
buying a Tri Valley building and they

1652
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,000
purchase it, how long are they going to

1653
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,600
sit on it to repurpose it? I mean, we've

1654
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,239
got a few of those buildings in Krookson

1655
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,800
already that

1656
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,400
>> Well, like like you said, if somebody

1657
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,040
buys it for housing now, we probably got

1658
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,719
a bunch more people down there in a

1659
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:43,280
dangerous intersection going in and out

1660
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,960
of there. That's probably not helping

1661
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,199
the situation as far as safety.

1662
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:50,719
>> True. So I I I just I just look at the

1663
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:52,640
history of our some of our older

1664
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,280
buildings in Krookton that are purchased

1665
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,600
by individuals and they got grand ideas

1666
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,040
and they never come to fruition. So

1667
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,679
that's my issue that that was part of

1668
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:06,400
the reason u prior to the prior

1669
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,679
community development director leaving

1670
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:10,000
on trying to do a downtown tiff district

1671
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,080
for the downtown Krookton and add it up

1672
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,760
through Tri Valley. Obviously,

1673
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,679
incentives for current business owners

1674
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:17,360
or ones that are looking to establish

1675
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,600
business in Krookton and also for that

1676
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,880
property um if someone part of the grant

1677
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,360
requirements would be that someone if we

1678
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:26,800
get a grant for Tri Valley that a

1679
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,840
developer would have to come in there

1680
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,520
and develop that property or build

1681
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,080
something on there. Um you know, a tiff

1682
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,080
district would help with that. However,

1683
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,000
if they didn't within 5 years, this is

1684
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,400
other reasons why this grant is maybe

1685
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,840
not a good fit for us. We're not sure

1686
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,480
yet. if if someone didn't build or

1687
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:43,840
develop that property within 5 years,

1688
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,199
we'd owe the full amount of the grant

1689
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:48,239
back also. So, not saying it wouldn't

1690
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:49,920
happen, but there are like anything,

1691
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,600
there's contingencies or risks with

1692
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,149
anything we do.

1693
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:59,920
» A lot to absorb. Anything else on this

1694
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,679
discussion?

1695
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,120
>> Just like I said, I'll keep you informed

1696
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,800
as we go forward. I just want to be as

1697
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,480
upfront with you, council, and

1698
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,679
everything that we're doing as we move

1699
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:08,960
forward. So, thank you.

1700
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,080
>> Thank you. Thank you. [clears throat]

1701
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,760
>> All right, one more uh cheetah

1702
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,440
discussion.

1703
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,120
>> Okay, again, thank you, your honor. Um,

1704
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,560
so yeah, I just want to discuss with

1705
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,080
council what I'm proposing

1706
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,800
reorganization of the housing and

1707
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,440
crooken community development positions.

1708
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,840
Um, I presented this plan to the cheetah

1709
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,440
board on January 7 or 27th at their last

1710
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:32,960
board meeting and it was very

1711
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,719
wellreceived.

1712
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:37,199
Um again just a little history uh with

1713
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,120
some of the problems that have occurred

1714
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,120
um in the past under the current

1715
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,480
organizational structure. Um you know

1716
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,679
prior to um Carrie being hired as

1717
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,679
community development director uh if

1718
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:51,920
council remembers maybe some Robert

1719
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,920
Barnes served as a community development

1720
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,560
director and executive director of

1721
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,280
Cheetah. Um again Robert did have

1722
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,040
extensive experience in community

1723
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,679
development. However, um learning or as

1724
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:06,000
time went on, uh that he had to also

1725
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,840
serve as the executive director

1726
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,719
overseeing housing. Uh he ultimately

1727
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:13,920
elected to resign his position. Uh in

1728
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,440
the absence of a community development

1729
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,920
director, uh city administrator Corpy

1730
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Reynolds served as the executive

1731
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,320
director for eight months uh prior to

1732
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,840
Carrie being hired. Um when Carrie was

1733
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,360
hired by the city as community

1734
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,600
development director, she also served as

1735
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,679
the executive director of Cheetah and

1736
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:34,320
appointed Terresa Taran um as the

1737
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,199
Krookton housing director shortly after

1738
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:38,239
um she was hired by the city of

1739
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:41,120
Krookton. As time went on, u there

1740
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,440
became several concern uh concerning

1741
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,840
staffing issues between housing and the

1742
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,679
executive director which created

1743
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:49,415
difficult working environment

1744
01:19:49,415 --> 01:19:49,600
[clears throat]

1745
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,400
>> and lack of communication between staff.

1746
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,480
uh these staffing issues continued for

1747
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,360
an extended period of time and were not

1748
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,679
uh resolved during the prior community

1749
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,239
development director's tenure. Um I did

1750
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:03,920
introduce this plan to the prior

1751
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,920
community development director. Uh but

1752
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,239
then again after learning of uh they

1753
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,159
would be resigning their position, I

1754
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:11,920
decided to wait before moving forward

1755
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,440
with this plan. Um so like I said as I

1756
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,400
stated there's been a strain

1757
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,239
relationship in housing and the

1758
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:19,760
community and prior community of

1759
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,159
development directors uh and the strain

1760
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:25,199
relation relationship between prior

1761
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,719
community development directors and past

1762
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:29,120
city administrators. So uh I I think

1763
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,400
past has shown that the current

1764
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,840
structure between housing and community

1765
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,080
development hasn't been working and that

1766
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,440
something needs to be changed moving

1767
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:37,679
forward. So what I'm proposing is to

1768
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,520
revise the job descriptions of the

1769
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,040
community development director and the

1770
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,120
housing director. So the community

1771
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,480
development director job description

1772
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,280
would stay very similar uh to what it is

1773
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,840
except uh the executive director title

1774
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,080
of cheetah would be removed from that

1775
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,239
job description. Uh the community

1776
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:55,840
development director would still oversee

1777
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,159
the community development city budget

1778
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:00,000
and they would oversee the EDA or

1779
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,400
cheetah budget. uh community development

1780
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,400
director would uh be a direct report to

1781
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,320
the city administrator as they always

1782
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,400
have been and they would continue to

1783
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,560
work with the cheetah board on current

1784
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,239
and future community and economic

1785
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,800
development projects. Uh the housing

1786
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,560
director's job description would also

1787
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,800
have some minor revisions and moving

1788
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,080
forward uh they would also be a direct

1789
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,800
report to the city administrator not the

1790
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,120
community development director. However,

1791
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,159
to do this, um, the Cheetah bylaws would

1792
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,560
need to be revised to state that the

1793
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,880
executive director of Cheetah would be

1794
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,400
the city administrator. Um, the housing

1795
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,480
director again would continue to be

1796
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,719
responsible for the housing budget and

1797
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:44,320
they would report to the Cheetah board

1798
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,679
as they currently do. Um

1799
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,360
the city administrator as the executive

1800
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,280
director Cheetah would sign off on or

1801
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,800
approve any housing relating systems and

1802
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,480
transfer of any funds. Um and that would

1803
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,320
apply basically to housing or HUD. You

1804
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,320
know, originally when I was going

1805
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,679
through this and trying to create this

1806
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:05,040
plan, I wanted to eliminate the

1807
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,639
executive uh director title completely.

1808
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:10,719
However, the executive director title

1809
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:13,280
needs to remain in place for housing or

1810
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,639
HUD requirements, not EDA requirements.

1811
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:18,719
Um, so in summary, uh, I guess the

1812
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,560
change that I'm looking for again is

1813
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:21,760
that the community development director

1814
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,920
and housing director would report to the

1815
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,840
city administrator and they would each

1816
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,760
be in charge of their respective budgets

1817
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,920
and staff. The city administrator would

1818
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,600
serve as the executive director of

1819
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,960
Cheetah. U, I've spoken with Teresa and

1820
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,520
Taylor about this extensively. They both

1821
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,920
agree with the changes. Um, I've also

1822
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,679
spoke with Tanner, our city attorney,

1823
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:43,760
who has also consulted with Steven

1824
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,920
Larson, um, and the League of Minnesota

1825
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,320
Cities. There's nothing preventing us to

1826
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,760
make this change. Um, and like I said

1827
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,480
previously, uh,

1828
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,000
you know, the reorganization, housing,

1829
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,360
and community development director

1830
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,360
positions were wellreceived by the

1831
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,440
Cheetah board. Uh, they actually made

1832
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,360
two motions that day. One motion to

1833
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,440
approve the reorganization.

1834
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,880
uh motions they made and they were both

1835
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,199
accepted and second to appoint the city

1836
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:11,120
administrator as interimm executive

1837
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,400
director of cheetah and that's basically

1838
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,480
to kind of keep moving forward with the

1839
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,080
HUD requirement so we don't slow

1840
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,880
anything down or any processes there um

1841
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,520
so moving forward I'd be looking to

1842
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,760
revise those job descriptions revise the

1843
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,080
cheetah bylaws uh again to state that

1844
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,679
the city administrator would be the

1845
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:32,080
executive director of cheetah and would

1846
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,280
present the updated bylaws uh at any

1847
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,960
future meetings at the cheetah board and

1848
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,840
the city council for approval. Um, and

1849
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,120
again, I just continue to work with

1850
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,920
Taylor and Teresa on the daily workflow

1851
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,760
of of each of their respective

1852
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,520
organizations and organizing that as we

1853
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,440
move forward. So, I guess in closing,

1854
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:50,560
I'm just, you know, looking for

1855
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,400
discussion from council and again a

1856
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,360
count consensus to hopefully support the

1857
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,520
reorganization of these job descriptions

1858
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,880
in cheetah.

1859
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,679
>> So, I think I think this is a good move.

1860
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:02,719
Um,

1861
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:04,480
>> as many of you know, back when I first

1862
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,320
got on the council, it was we made we

1863
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,719
made some changes with the cheetah and

1864
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:11,600
we got the the director to answer to the

1865
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,239
city administrator. Therefore, in a

1866
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:17,199
roundabout way answer to the city

1867
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:20,080
residents of Krookton through us us

1868
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,080
council members. So, I think I think

1869
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,440
that's a good move. The thing that we

1870
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:27,199
didn't we didn't finish the job. I

1871
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:28,719
think we like with what Darren is

1872
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:31,280
presenting here is um you know making

1873
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,840
the the housing director report directly

1874
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,639
to the administrator as well as the is

1875
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:38,880
the um cheetah director and I think it

1876
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,280
just it makes it everything clean at

1877
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,360
that point.

1878
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,560
So, as somebody on the cheetah board, um

1879
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,239
there [snorts] has I don't know how much

1880
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:49,440
everyone's been aware, but there has

1881
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,679
been some very much confusion and

1882
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:55,840
contention of who reports to who, where,

1883
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,199
who goes to who for what, who can

1884
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,239
oversee what. And I mean, there hasn't

1885
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,400
been clear answers. Um there has been a

1886
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,639
lot of back and forth over the last year

1887
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:08,719
between legal, between HR, and all of

1888
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:10,320
that. And there has not been a clear

1889
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,400
answer that we can see through. this

1890
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,040
would be a clear clean answer. It would

1891
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,800
give a lot of clarity to everyone over

1892
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,280
within those departments um for every

1893
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,600
position within that department. Um we

1894
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,760
discussed it at the last cheetah board.

1895
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,239
Um it seemed to be a consensus there

1896
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,760
that everyone agreed that this would be

1897
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,400
a great move. So from that standpoint,

1898
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,440
the cheetah board from our you know at

1899
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:37,120
that time at our last meeting supported

1900
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,840
this move also. And I think that speak

1901
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,639
when people know who is who to speak

1902
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:47,760
with and al also

1903
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,560
cooperate with is very important. I

1904
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,280
think this is a good plan. you know, and

1905
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,679
I've spoken in detail with Theres also

1906
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,440
because I didn't want to burden the city

1907
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,760
administrator position uh with, you

1908
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,440
know, is there an excess amount of work

1909
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:02,800
that comes with this helping with

1910
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,520
housing and uh you know, she's detailed

1911
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,440
that list and and I've spoken in detail

1912
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:12,080
and it's it's at uh you know, quarterly

1913
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,560
uh reporting uh approving uh transfer of

1914
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,880
funds uh maybe monthly but usually you

1915
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,280
know quarterly um it would be part of an

1916
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,760
email chain uh through HUD. I would

1917
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,560
create an email account that myself,

1918
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,199
Teresa, and Tanya could could read or

1919
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,880
see for that communication. So, it's not overwhelming. I did speak with

1920
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,800
Corki who did that position for about 8

1921
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,199
months. And and again, really how it

1922
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,120
boils down to is it's not any different

1923
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,040
than any other department in the city of

1924
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,400
Krookton reporting to the city

1925
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,560
administrator. Each department head or

1926
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,880
director is responsible for about 98% of

1927
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,520
their budget current or or um

1928
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,120
organization currently. their

1929
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,800
department. You know, like anything,

1930
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800
there are things that city administrator

1931
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,800
needs to sign off or and approve and and

1932
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,320
this just really wouldn't be anything

1933
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,880
different. You know, in speaking with uh

1934
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,280
you know, the Josh Mack, the the

1935
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,280
president also tried to come up with

1936
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,800
other ideas. It's it's just impossible

1937
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,239
for the board president or a board

1938
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:08,320
member to oversee daily operations,

1939
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,199
day-to-day operations of of housing. I

1940
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:13,440
think this just provides a solution to

1941
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:15,120
have a person that there's every day to

1942
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,239
help with that and move forward. So, um,

1943
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:19,760
like I said, Taylor and Teresa have been

1944
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,199
very receptive of this. Have been

1945
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:22,880
working closely with Teresa moving

1946
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,960
forward on on getting accounts changed,

1947
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,480
people's names on accounts and what that

1948
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,600
looks like. So, um,

1949
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,040
sounds [cough and clears throat] good.

1950
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Um, yeah, I think I think it's put a lot

1951
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,520
of work into it, Darren. Um, I think

1952
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,639
it's a good move, too. Um, separation of

1953
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:41,360
duties each are in their own lane

1954
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,360
basically and moving forward. So any

1955
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,440
other discussion on this

1956
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,120
>> other than I really appreciate

1957
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,199
>> No, like I said, I appreciate that. I

1958
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:52,560
will um

1959
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,920
>> Does this need uh

1960
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,360
>> Yeah, you I'll let you finish up if

1961
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:56,239
whatever. Yep. [clears throat]

1962
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:58,639
>> We need a consensus on this to and it

1963
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:00,000
has to go to council for

1964
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,199
>> Yeah, that would be if if we get

1965
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:03,600
consensus on this, I will present uh it

1966
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:04,960
likely won't be at the next council

1967
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,159
meeting just because of the cheetah

1968
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,639
bylaws. They need a 14-day notice before

1969
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,320
any bylaws can be changed. So, it would

1970
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,639
likely be about a month out before I'd

1971
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:14,000
bring anything back. What that would

1972
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,920
look like if there is a consensus is I

1973
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,400
would bring back uh the amended or

1974
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,800
revised bylaws for approval through

1975
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,560
council and then appointing city

1976
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,480
administrator executive director at that

1977
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:25,199
time officially.

1978
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:26,400
>> Okay, Mr. PL.

1979
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,639
>> So, I am in favor.

1980
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:30,159
>> Anybody in favor of this?

1981
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,080
>> Yes.

1982
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,280
>> Consensus is there.

1983
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,560
>> Thank you. I'll move forward with that.

1984
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,040
Thank you.

1985
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,006
>> Thank you, Darren.

1986
01:28:38,006 --> 01:28:38,159
>> [clears throat]

1987
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,639
>> Okay, that kind of wraps it up. If

1988
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,560
nothing else, we are adjourned. Thank

1989
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,679
you everybody.

1990
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:46,840
>> Thank you.