1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000
State council meeting to order. Today is Monday, November 10, 2014. He all please rise for the roll call.

2
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,000
Thank you very much. Thank you, Mark. Roll call, please.

3
00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:44,000
Council member Chang. Yes. Council member Centauro. Yes. Council member Mahoney. Yes. Yes. Mayor Wong. Presence.

4
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:51,000
Through moon mayors and presentations seen none. Madam clerk, do we have any postponements? No, postponement.

5
00:00:51,000 --> 00:01:05,000
The next item? Yes. Mr. Mayor. Yes. It came to my attention light this afternoon as it did to yours. I think in everybody that this meeting.

6
00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:13,000
Well, apparently it was published in the newspaper from Monday. There's notice that was on the website that was only corrected this morning.

7
00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:23,000
That the meeting first was posted as Tuesday, November 10. Now, of course, that's inconsistent.

8
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:32,000
But given that our regular meetings are on Tuesday, I'm concerned about how this information might have confused those.

9
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:40,000
It's not like we don't have a great crowd, but I'm concerned about noticing. Yeah. I'm concerned about the noticing that we've done here.

10
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:48,000
I would like to understand both the legal aspect here as well as what and understand what the right things to do is.

11
00:01:48,000 --> 00:02:01,000
I mean, I actually hate to send everybody home, but I'm a bit torn because if we said Tuesday, November 10th, in one place rather than Monday, November 10th,

12
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,000
what's the right thing to do here? Let's start with the legal and go on from there.

13
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000
That's a very good point by some of your sinks of staff.

14
00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000
Madam C attorney.

15
00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:22,000
Okay, here's my understanding and grace can the city clerk can check in with me, but what I understand is that there is a legal and oldest that said Monday,

16
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:34,000
November 10th. The agenda that we have here says Monday, November 10th. The website agenda has November 10th.

17
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:48,000
The call for this special meeting, which is the narrative right here that is done and signed by the deputy clerk in the clerk's office, does have that inconsistent time.

18
00:02:48,000 --> 00:03:00,000
It was always said to be November 10th and as I said in one place online, the call for the special meeting, the narrative, as opposed to the agenda is incorrect.

19
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000
And what was that rectified?

20
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:14,000
The city clerk told me that that was rectified this morning, correct on the portion of the call for the special basis.

21
00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000
Online on the call for special meeting notice online only.

22
00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:25,000
So, and what is our noticing requirement? The legal noticing requirement for the special meeting?

23
00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000
A special meeting legal notices 24 hours in advance of a meeting.

24
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:41,000
However, the legal notice under the state law under the government code is 10 days and that was done correctly and both are displayed in the legal ed and that's his Monday, November 10th.

25
00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000
So we are perfectly legal in holding this hearing this evening.

26
00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000
Is that correct?

27
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000
Correct.

28
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000
Correct. There is a technical legal approval on this.

29
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,000
So my only question to my colleagues is, Gash, you know, I would hate.

30
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000
One part of me would hate to send this crowd home tonight.

31
00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:04,000
I respect that they want to speak. They want to be heard and whatever confusion was created by the snow.

32
00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:14,000
It didn't phase them. They're here, right? On the other hand, there may be folks not in this room who would want to be who are going to show up here tomorrow night.

33
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:25,000
And I'd like to hear Mr. Mayor from colleagues and see, you know, if we have any other options or if the right thing to do on balance here is to proceed this evening.

34
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000
And I'm, as I say, I'm really torn.

35
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000
Well, tomorrow's the legal holiday. So, so office will be closed on that.

36
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000
And then I'll be at that stage day thing, you know.

37
00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,000
As you can see, we have a full house tonight, so I have no problem going forward because I see that.

38
00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,000
It's been fully notified.

39
00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000
Then the other opinions.

40
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000
If we add it like when Wednesday this week, would that work?

41
00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000
Yeah, we can now finish today, maybe we can extend it till Wednesday.

42
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000
And that's what I was going to suggest.

43
00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000
Yeah, we got to the meaning that we're here already.

44
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
You send them home and bring them back. You just want more trip for them.

45
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,000
So, so you can hold all a pause.

46
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:15,000
I would really appreciate it. Thank you.

47
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,000
So, I guess I'm not really in favor of Wednesday because then you have a really short notice in period night.

48
00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000
I think it's not right.

49
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000
I'm a little concerned that we're having it in a non-regard or meeting time in the first place.

50
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,000
And I don't know about the public, but I had a hard time trying to digest 2,000 pages in the last few days.

51
00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,000
I'm at the rest of you.

52
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,000
I actually would like to show a hands between today and postponing it for a week.

53
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000
How many people would rather have it tonight?

54
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000
How many people would rather have it another time?

55
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000
Okay. I'm for tonight.

56
00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,000
Thank you, Mark. That's very helpful.

57
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:15,000
It's clearly, you know, it is unfortunately we had a technical error there, but it's pretty clear that from the amount of people here in the amount of emails we've gotten that it's well known what the agenda is tonight and what we're going to be talking about.

58
00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000
And if we make decisions tonight, that's perfectly legal.

59
00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000
We have properly noticed this meeting in the legal sense.

60
00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000
Yes.

61
00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000
Okay. I want to make sure.

62
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000
Thank you.

63
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000
I'll stand down on this.

64
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000
Okay.

65
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000
Now going to our communications.

66
00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,000
This portion of the meetings reserved for persons wishing to address the council on any mayors not on the agenda.

67
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000
Thank you.

68
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
Speakers are limited to three minutes.

69
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,000
And Mokin's the state law will prohibit the council from making any decisions with respect to a matter not listed on the agenda.

70
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,000
If you're here for the first time, you need to fill out a blue card.

71
00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000
When you step up to the podium, there is a green light yellow light red light.

72
00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000
When you approach 30 seconds, that means please wrap up and red means stop when you see a stop sign.

73
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000
So I would really appreciate.

74
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:11,000
It would be very helpful that no clause, no going as we want to make this public hearing as far as possible.

75
00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000
So everybody's can be heard, no matter which side you're on.

76
00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000
So I would really strongly appreciate it.

77
00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
Or I will stop the meeting and ask you to please don't do that.

78
00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:31,000
Or communication is again, items that are not on the agenda, not on the general plan and not on the on the housing element.

79
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,000
The first person I have is rotor fry.

80
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000
And thank you, rodent for help clarifying your subject matter.

81
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000
Thanks.

82
00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000
I'm rodent fry.

83
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:56,000
And among other things, I'm working on putting in an exhibit in San Francisco celebrating the Centennial for the Panama Pacific International Exhibition.

84
00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,000
So being historically minded.

85
00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:10,000
I keep on seeing this whole house at Rancho Santonio, which is in Cupertino, called this Hammond Snider House, that is supposed to

86
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000
be protected by the general plan.

87
00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,000
And 15 years ago, the Oak Valley development was created.

88
00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000
And there was this house, this old house.

89
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:31,000
And in fact, it was owned by a by a 49er who discovered, actually discovered the Scott River in Golden.

90
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000
He was a pioneer and did no irrigation grain growing.

91
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000
And people followed him in Santa Clara Valley.

92
00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000
He had a ranch up at Rancho Santonio.

93
00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000
And this house is a remnant of it.

94
00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000
So Oak Valley gets developed.

95
00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000
And there's this house.

96
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,000
And the house gets sold to the historic society for a dollar.

97
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000
And apparently was going to be taken care of.

98
00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000
And there was also money that exchanged hands.

99
00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000
And it was supposed to be taken care of.

100
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000
And now it's kind of suffering from neglect.

101
00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000
And here it is.

102
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000
And there's a there's a trail that goes around.

103
00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000
It's called the Hammond Snider Trail.

104
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000
And there's a historic home.

105
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,000
And it's over by Stephen Streak and Foothill.

106
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:19,000
And it's a very popular, long stroller, baby hikes or hikes, baby mommies strollers.

107
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000
So here's the house.

108
00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000
When it had a caretaker.

109
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000
And there's a flag flying.

110
00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000
Oh, I don't know what you can see.

111
00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000
There's a flag flying up there.

112
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000
And here it is.

113
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000
Not too long ago.

114
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000
I took this picture.

115
00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000
And it's kind of suffering from neglect.

116
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000
So what's going on?

117
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000
It had a caretaker.

118
00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:42,000
And the caretaker was evicted according to the county rules.

119
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,000
And because there was cancer risk up there caused by the quarry.

120
00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000
The quarry in the county got together.

121
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000
And the county said, well, quarry if you need to.

122
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000
If you put in modern pollution controls, somebody can live in the house.

123
00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000
But if you don't, you can just make sure the house is vacant.

124
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000
So basically, this is towards society.

125
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Made the house vacant and rented it to the house.

126
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000
So now we have a house that we kind of don't have that.

127
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000
Affordable housing.

128
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000
There are anymore, which is unfortunate.

129
00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000
But the thing that's really.

130
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000
And here's the lease.

131
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000
I've got the lease here, which I can show you.

132
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000
It's like 15 pages.

133
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000
And the thing is the general plan says the house is important.

134
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000
And it needs to be preserved.

135
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,000
There's not even a plaque out there.

136
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000
It's had it for 15 years.

137
00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000
And I think that we need to come.

138
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,000
Get to a point where we need to make a decision.

139
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000
You know, maybe we put a plaque out there.

140
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000
And we say that's good enough.

141
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000
Or maybe we need to make sure that this house gets preserved.

142
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000
And maybe that's good enough.

143
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000
But I don't think that we should just let neglect happen.

144
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000
I think we need to be.

145
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000
Make a decision.

146
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000
And you really are tensed up.

147
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
As to one of the other.

148
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000
Thank you very much.

149
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000
I'll give you my paper work.

150
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000
Mayor, can I ask a little bit more than a question?

151
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000
A clarifying question only.

152
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000
Yes.

153
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000
So what do you point what the city can do?

154
00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,000
Should do to preserve this historical building?

155
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000
Well, there's a number of things.

156
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,000
One thing we do know is that his sort of buildings any building,

157
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000
benefits from having an occupant.

158
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000
There is no occupant in there.

159
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000
I talk with the pioneers of Santa Clara Valley about this.

160
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000
The other thing we know is that pollution is bad for store buildings.

161
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000
And so that's another issue is that there is more pollution.

162
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000
And there another option would have been to have pollution controls at Lehigh.

163
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000
You know, there's been talk about possibly moving it to Macau and Ranch,

164
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,000
which is, but you know, we need to kind of move for it.

165
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Move, do something before it falls down or burns down.

166
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000
The other issue is there's been a lot of weeds around the area.

167
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000
And I talked with Don Son about that.

168
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000
And I understand the historic society did some, did some weeding around there.

169
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,000
But, you know, it's suffering from neglect.

170
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000
So you're seeing, this sounds, this is right next to the Dehigh,

171
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000
it's also West, it's the membrane.

172
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,000
Well, as I showed on the map, it's right here, and here's the,

173
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,000
it's actually not, not really the plant.

174
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,000
It's more like that esmaterial storage area thing that big pile of stuff that

175
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,000
that mountain that you see when you go down the Steven Street Boulevard.

176
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000
It's kind of right across the street from there.

177
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000
Yeah, but I heard that some of the neighbors,

178
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,000
near by there, told me that there's occupant in there.

179
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000
It's just a red or snack.

180
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000
And a bunch of girls in there.

181
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000
Right, but there's no care, there's no care take or no family living there.

182
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000
All right, so my question to the city attorney is,

183
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000
if we, if there's a building as a historical building,

184
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000
and then the owner or the attendant is not taking care of it,

185
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000
what can the city do?

186
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000
We can not let it went down and then enough collapse,

187
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000
then see this host historical building is gone.

188
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000
We cannot do that.

189
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000
Can we?

190
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000
Otherwise, we don't need to design it as a historical building.

191
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000
The story goes inside and we're on the building.

192
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,000
And the knee highs are renting it for $1 a month.

193
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
So that's what this is.

194
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,000
Actually, they bought it for a back.

195
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
They're renting it for $1,100 a month.

196
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
Oh, you didn't have an under a month.

197
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000
So, thank you for the direction.

198
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000
Instead, they could have put in better pollution controls.

199
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000
But anyway, it was a agreement between the historic society and the,

200
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,000
but I wanted, we're talking about the house.

201
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000
You know, we're talking about the house.

202
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000
You know?

203
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
No, I'm not going to.

204
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000
Yeah.

205
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000
So, I wanted to ask them to do.

206
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000
Yeah, the question.

207
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000
So, if it's, if it's, the city owns the building,

208
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,000
the city does have obligations of maintain it under general plan,

209
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000
because it's, if we own it, if it's owned by private party,

210
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000
you can, you can try to decode enforcement.

211
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000
We don't really have a historic building maintenance code.

212
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000
So, if it's not owned by us, then, then we're limited in what we can do,

213
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000
but it might seem to call.

214
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000
It's in the general plan.

215
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000
They talk about, yeah, I don't really, I don't have any teeth,

216
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000
but it is mentioned in the general plan.

217
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000
We just list things in the general plan.

218
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000
Yeah, you need to historic building maintenance code to do that.

219
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000
So, probably that's the next level of what we should do, maybe.

220
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,000
We do, we have very few buildings that are on the,

221
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000
I mean, we're just probably be for this building,

222
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000
and maybe one or two others in the entire city.

223
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,000
Yeah, but then if D.I. ran it for $1100 and purposefully,

224
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000
you get this building off to the people.

225
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000
That's the big building event.

226
00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,000
And then all of these people go,

227
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000
people go, and then they go.

228
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000
And then they go.

229
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000
They go, and then they go, and then they go,

230
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000
and they go, and they go, and then they go, and they go, and they go,

231
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000
and they think, so anybody's going like,

232
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000
so that's what it's got to be like, if we weren't there,

233
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000
so we can just get help, and they can want to go,

234
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000
and they're going like, okay, let's go for this building.

235
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,000
So, you get to see them eating food,

236
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,660
society and they've used it. There may be very well provisions in those agreements that

237
00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:42,000
require them to maintain it. So it's all building. I don't know that it is.

238
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,500
I don't believe it was ever building. It was never building. It was part of the discussion

239
00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:52,000
of the Oak Valley development. How about this? We'll look at it and report. Thank you.

240
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,160
Thank you very much. I would like to put it on the agenda for the discussions sometime in the

241
00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,160
future. This is not the place to do that.

242
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000
Thank you, Mr. President.

243
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000
Thank you.

244
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000
Thank you.

245
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000
Thank you, Roda.

246
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000
Next speaker is Peggy Griffin.

247
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,000
This is under oral communication.

248
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000
Mr. Griffin.

249
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000
Okay, thank you. There you are.

250
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000
My name is Peggy Griffin.

251
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000
My name is Peggy Griffin, and I'm a Cupertino resident.

252
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:34,000
I am frustrated as resident trying to understand and participate in the process.

253
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,000
When the housing element is mentioned in study groups, planning city,

254
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,000
I guess I'm sorry to interrupt you, but are you talking about the housing element?

255
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000
I'm trying to talk about communication in general.

256
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:54,000
The definitions of housing element, retail, we as citizens need to know what these mean.

257
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000
So, Nancy Clerk, can you help clarify that this is under oral or not?

258
00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,000
Okay, so I'm going to keep you under the agenda, okay?

259
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000
So, what does that mean?

260
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000
If you could have a CL call you later.

261
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000
Okay.

262
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:16,000
The next person is a meat of this was, a meat of this was,

263
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,000
and that might be the person that we were looking for at the planning commission.

264
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,000
And again, I'll say the name, a meat of BIS, W-A-S,

265
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,000
and that might be the other one over there.

266
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,000
I just want to check these carefully to make sure that there is no more oral communication here.

267
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000
So, please give me a minute here.

268
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Is there anyone in the audience who wants to speak in oral communication?

269
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000
Can you raise your hand?

270
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000
Not items not on the agenda.

271
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000
Jennifer?

272
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000
Griffin?

273
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000
And then, sir, you can be next.

274
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000
Can you please fill out a blue card case, sir?

275
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000
Okay, sorry, Paul.

276
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000
Jay said, it got lost in the shuffle.

277
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000
Thank you, Mayor Wong.

278
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000
I know tonight's going to be busy and confusing.

279
00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,000
Since the Snyder Hammond House came up, I understand.

280
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000
I mean, I have been to a lot of meetings in the last couple of years,

281
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000
and a lot of people were talking about the Snyder Hammond House,

282
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000
and I believe that the last time I heard about it was

283
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000
that I understand the tenant was going to be a let go

284
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000
in June of, I believe, a year ago,

285
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000
and that the House would be preserved.

286
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000
I understand documents are being stored in it from Lehigh,

287
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000
pertaining to the history of the area.

288
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000
It is a prominent house.

289
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,000
It was built in 1885 for the daughter.

290
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000
That is actually the Hammond family.

291
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,000
It was built for Mr. Snyder.

292
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000
Mr. Snyder actually owned all that land, bought it in 1865,

293
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000
which is what Rancho San Antonio is on now.

294
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000
I think it's very important that a Victorian house like this

295
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000
is not let to just slide under the skirts.

296
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000
I mean, it's been up there for so long.

297
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000
We talked about it.

298
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000
It's in Rancho San Antonio Park.

299
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,000
There's a trail that goes around it.

300
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000
It has gingerbread on the porch, blah, blah, blah.

301
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,000
I think that we need to have a valid discussion about this

302
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,000
because I believe this is the last Victorian in Cupertino.

303
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,000
Cupertino has had a poor record of maintaining their Victorian homes.

304
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,000
And I think that this, the only reason this place has survived

305
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000
is because of where it is.

306
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,000
So we need to have a serious discussion of what we're going to do with this.

307
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,000
And I believe Park and Rec talked significantly about it about a year ago.

308
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000
I mean, I go to these meetings and I've heard Snyder Hammond come up many,

309
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000
many times.

310
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000
I researched it for some reason.

311
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000
I actually, my husband goes up and walks circles around it on the trail.

312
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000
So we need to do something proactive with this.

313
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000
I think I said before that if no one's in it, it will burn down.

314
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000
So let's protect it.

315
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000
Thank you.

316
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000
Thank you, Jennifer.

317
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:09,000
And gentlemen, here who's under all of the approaches can't find your card.

318
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000
I just don't have your card, sir.

319
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000
I apologize.

320
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000
I gave it to the clerk.

321
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000
Okay, that's okay.

322
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000
That's okay.

323
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000
If you can just think you're going to need to be record, please.

324
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,000
The City Attorney addressed part of my concern here.

325
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,000
We switched to the projector.

326
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000
Oh, my name is Steve Sharf.

327
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000
Thank you.

328
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000
I live on summer set drive.

329
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,000
I did receive two emails and one contact with a neighbor who was asking me,

330
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,000
why are they having this meeting on Veterans Day?

331
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000
I'm a veteran and I went and looked and I didn't even realize it.

332
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,000
But apparently many people, if those three were confused, there's probably many others as well.

333
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000
So as far as the folks behind you too.

334
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000
Right.

335
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000
But just because they're here, there could be twice as many.

336
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:08,000
So I wouldn't suggest postponing the meeting, but I would just encourage the city staff to be a little more careful with these legal notices.

337
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,000
Because there could be a challenge to the legality of anything done here today.

338
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000
Thank you.

339
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Again, to you Mr. Sharf and to the audience, we deeply apologize for the, for the small little snafu.

340
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:27,000
As Vice Mayor Sinc said, that talking to the attorney that this meeting is legal.

341
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:33,000
And that obviously, all of you will not be here if you didn't get the notification.

342
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000
That is the end of oral communication.

343
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Unless there's anybody who wants to speak on any item that's not on the agenda.

344
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000
Seeing none.

345
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,000
I'm going to consent calendar, which is nothing under the consent calendar,

346
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000
and also nothing under the second reading or ordinances.

347
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000
I've been requested by both the C, Trinity and C manager to take a short break.

348
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,000
And the reason why we're taking a short break is obviously we're away over capacity for the farm,

349
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000
our show for this room.

350
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000
And we need to rearrange the folks.

351
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000
And we'll go ahead and call a break by mid-break.

352
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000
Are you going to ask?

353
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:21,000
To order.

354
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,000
And the first item is public hearing.

355
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Is the certification of the final environmental impact report during a planning amendment,

356
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:35,000
draft housing element, resilience, specific amendment, and municipal code amendments.

357
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,000
This is a very important item, as you know, that we have a full house.

358
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000
And again, it's very important to not boot here.

359
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Our C staff are consultants.

360
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,000
The folks who are speaking, because we should be very respectful and we will allow everyone to speak.

361
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Everything.

362
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Maybe we have to start a report, Pew.

363
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Certainly.

364
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Good evening, Council.

365
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Just like to start off with reminding everybody why we are

366
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
amending our general plan.

367
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,000
In August 2012, the City Council directed staff to begin the general

368
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000
plan amendment in order to replenish office and hotel allocation to inform the

369
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,000
velcro shopping district specific plan to consolidate individual requests that the

370
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000
city staff got from property owners, requesting specific general plan amendments,

371
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000
to address recent state law requirements and update our general plan to

372
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:34,000
inform to those state law requirements and to address other general plan

373
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,000
cleanup items just to make sure that there is internal consistency and to make sure that there is

374
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000
consistency between all the different elements and chapters of the general plan.

375
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,000
In addition to that, about the same time, the city was mandated by the state to update

376
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000
the housing element in order to assess and update the housing plan of the housing element.

377
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000
In addition to that, identify sites that address the city's regional housing

378
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,000
needs allocation, which was assessed to the city by the association of

379
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
barrier governments.

380
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,000
And also to make necessary changes to the municipal code to address state law requirements and

381
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,000
to make sure that there is internal consistency with the general plan.

382
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,000
And with that, I will hand the presentation over to our consultant from

383
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:28,000
MIG, Dan Anston, to discuss the kind of outreach that we did for this project.

384
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Good evening Mayor and council members, Dan Anston with MIG.

385
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
So the first big question is what is a general plan?

386
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
How is acted as a work?

387
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Where is the function of in the city government?

388
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,000
General plan, the city's general plan is really the guiding policy document for the city.

389
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:51,000
And it is also required by state law every city has to have an adopted general plan.

390
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,000
The focus of the general plan is to establish the city-wide vision for the future,

391
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,000
supported by goals, policies, and specific strategies related to land use,

392
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,000
circulation, health and safety, parks and open space, all topics covered by the city.

393
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,000
In turn, all city-specific plans, master plans, zoning decisions, other implementation requirements

394
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000
must be consistent with the city's general plan by law.

395
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Similarly, all land use and environmental decisions made by the city council must also be considered

396
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
consistent with the general plan.

397
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,000
The general plan, however, does not approve or entitle any specific development projects.

398
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Probably owners have control over when they wish to propose a project and file decisions on

399
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000
development projects or may on a case by case basis by either city staff,

400
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
Plan Commission or city council.

401
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000
So, schedule this project, we've been, we're going to amendment for 18 months.

402
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,000
The process has been focused on identifying analyzing options for increases,

403
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
increase uses on the city's major mixies corridors.

404
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:58,000
The amendment, as mentioned, took 18 months, beginning spring of 2013, including with public hearings tonight, in four major phases.

405
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:04,000
During this process, there's been a lot of input to different policy ideas and different components of the plan.

406
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000
It includes technical analysis.

407
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000
The consultant team prepared three major reports during this process.

408
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,000
The first was a sense and opportunity port in September last year, which outlined major existing conditions and

409
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000
opportunities.

410
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:24,000
The second was a market study, which looked at the capacity of different types of land uses, the demand for them.

411
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,000
And the third was a retail strategy report that looked at retail in particular, and also the

412
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Valco site, in particular, on different retail uses that could be attracted to the city.

413
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Similarly, there's also other projects going on with the city and also the region,

414
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Plan Bay Area, is a regional plan that dissociation and barrier governments and

415
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000
metropolitan transportation commission adopted in 2013.

416
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,000
It sets broad land use and housing and transportation goals to 2040.

417
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000
The city is also planning a climate action plan, which is a draft right now.

418
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000
It looks at specific strategies for improving sustainability.

419
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:06,000
But the real focus of this 18 month process has been the community input process.

420
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Overall, we've had 24 public workshops, meetings, study sessions, open houses, or hearings during this project.

421
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
There's also been additional property on our outreach.

422
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,000
And we have a series of stakeholder meetings, both with community groups, school districts,

423
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,000
other entities in town.

424
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,000
To bring attention information about this project, we also set up a series of notifications.

425
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000
We have three new letters and flyers, three postcards that were sent to every mail address in

426
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Cupertino, also regular email updates.

427
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000
We developed a project website that became this portal for all information about the project,

428
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
linked from the city's website.

429
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
It also includes interactive survey.

430
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,000
As of this week, we have 260 people registered for updates to that website.

431
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,000
The first major community event we had was community wide workshop number one,

432
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
which is held in July 18, 2013.

433
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
This workshop looked at assets, opportunities, and challenges facing the city.

434
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:09,000
And it's extensively the input from this informed the 2040 community vision and guiding principles,

435
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000
which are starting point to the general plan update process.

436
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,000
In October 2013, we started a more focused discussion on alternatives.

437
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000
And as part of this, we had an extensive series of community outreach events.

438
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,000
This included the city hosting workshops and meetings to solicit input on future land uses,

439
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
height, mobility, urban design concepts.

440
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Approximately 170 people attended one of four major meetings and workshops that the city held.

441
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,000
The purpose of these workshops was to do twofold.

442
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,000
One was a community design survey, which tested potential land uses,

443
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000
design and mobility concepts on each of the major mixie corridors,

444
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
the major streets in Cupertino.

445
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Specifically, the survey was focused around three categories,

446
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
street scale mobility enhancements, parks and plazas, buildings.

447
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Under each category, participants were shown a series of images, and then also asked to respond to the following questions, which included whether they liked the idea for Cupertino, where it would be most appropriate within the city.

448
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:31,000
We did an online version of this as well, so the entire survey was online and we said, you know, we had over 70 people conduct the online version as well.

449
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:44,000
We did a combined summary of all this input for commercial uses. There was pretty clear consensus, one or two story commercial throughout the major corridors was desirable.

450
00:30:44,000 --> 00:31:01,000
When we started talking about Valco or CERN areas in the city, there was an interest in maybe higher stories for commercial districts, so long as it was an outdoor pedestrian commercial sort of volatile format.

451
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:11,000
For office uses, office development between two and six stories was also seen as desirable, again, where specifically it's located was key concern.

452
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Similar results on hotel as well, and also for residential uses mix use in particular two to six stories was desirable but again key areas.

453
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,000
All the input from this is on the general plan website, and it's been the website for several months.

454
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:38,000
That's a question. Yes. So you have these little boxes of people voted on. Were staff members allowed to vote?

455
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:52,000
At the workshops, no, there's just workshop participants. The online survey was set up for anyone who wanted to respond. The only criteria for the online survey was tied to IP address, so only one IP address could fill out one survey.

456
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Okay, so staff members, I've heard staff members were voting in the workshop, so that's not true.

457
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Just I don't believe it's over my recollection. It was just members of community who had clickers.

458
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Okay. Thank you.

459
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:14,000
So the second part of this workshop was looking the future of the Valco site.

460
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:25,000
And for this, we had a series of group exercises all around a map of Valco and different chips for different mobility improvements, land use improvements.

461
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:36,000
The chips were three-dimensional, so they not only had land use and approximately size, but also height each chip was essentially one story.

462
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:48,000
The input we received from this exercise was extensive some groups, as shown here, desired very little change of Valco, other groups other than making more successful.

463
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Some groups had sort of a mid-level of change, moving a few buildings around and finally some other groups had more extensive change shown on their different maps.

464
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,000
In total, 24 different groups shared their visions for the future of the Valco site.

465
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,000
All maps included some form of retail, so keeping the commercial presence on the Valco site.

466
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Nine of the groups desired little or no changes, maybe a few things to make reteniting or reposition them all, but largely to stay the same.

467
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000
So can I ask a question?

468
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Just nine out of 24 groups, say they want to keep it the way it is.

469
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Correct, largely no changes, reteniting, maybe add a building here or there, but not a lot of changes on the site.

470
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Okay, thank you.

471
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,000
We have a little graphic here showing some of the differences.

472
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:58,000
16 groups included some form of office, which is somewhat of a new use, particularly to use on Valco, although there is office in the approximate area.

473
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:07,000
12 of the groups or half had some form of hotel as part of the revision of the Valco site.

474
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,000
15 groups had some form of residential use on the Valco site.

475
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,000
A few of these groups specifically requested a new residential be either affordable or seen or only.

476
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,000
So some sort of condition on the new residential.

477
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
So out of this, extensive can I ask you another question?

478
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Yes, on the 15 groups they want to have a residential in there.

479
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Do they know how many units are going to be there?

480
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:40,000
No, we didn't go as far as a unit count because there's a more flexible exercise where they could just pick different uses and heights.

481
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Because 10 units compared to 1000 units totally different.

482
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Correct, okay.

483
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000
So some common themes out of the community input portion of the projects.

484
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Future development in Valco should provide community benefits and not impact public services in particular schools.

485
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Careful consideration needs to be taken for any residential in terms of its density, location, type, single family, senior housing apartments, condos.

486
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Increased building heights could be considered if they're not adjacent to existing residential neighborhoods.

487
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Transit pedestrian and bicycle mobility needs need to be expanded and made safer throughout town.

488
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:29,000
And the Valco shopping district should be redeveloped as or retended to make it more economic successful and desirable to the community.

489
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:37,000
So out of this community input process all these workshops and meetings we prepared a alternative report that had three alternatives.

490
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:49,000
These largely book ended the discussion of change alternative A had less development allocation less growth alternative C had more development allocation and more growth and change.

491
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:10,000
So just to give you some background on the basic elements that have informed the general plan.

492
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:21,000
One is state and regional regulations and best practices those relate to climate change land use and transportation changes.

493
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:31,000
And that has to do with the new sustainable community strategy that was adopted by a bag and the metropolitan transportation commission for our region.

494
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Complete streets and connectivity which is a state requirement now for all general plans that make sure that streets are designed for all modes of transportation including cars bikes pedestrians.

495
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Performance measures for mobility that's something that is an upcoming issue that we need to address and that the general plan has a placeholder for sustainability which is another.

496
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:07,000
State requirement and then finally the housing element which is a state mandated element and we will go into a lot more detail.

497
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,000
In terms of that a little bit later on in the process.

498
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Can ask you a question already go back to the previous.

499
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,000
We'll need to talk about company street and the connectivity and also performance measure for mobility.

500
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Are you going to have more in that to show.

501
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
We can have as much detail as you wish.

502
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,000
At this point we were going to focus on the five key questions and the housing element.

503
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:45,000
But essentially what it what the state is still developing measures for level of standards for mobility we don't have those yet at this point.

504
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000
And so we have a placeholder in the general plan because it's it's a it's a question right now.

505
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,000
So for for the public span of the can you translate this in English right.

506
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
I'm trying to find the ability.

507
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Back well the before the performance the only one of the only performance measures used right now is level of service for streets and that talks about the second for traffic.

508
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Okay, they talked about for cars seconds of delay at an intersection.

509
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
That's what's used.

510
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Thank you.

511
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:25,000
But now the state wants us to look at pedestrian bike and other ways of measuring that and those measurements are not yet developed.

512
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:34,000
But it's going to be developed and also mass transit metrics and I'm sure they do yeah I mean again it's not just cars.

513
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:41,000
No it's all the all the most transportation and so we don't have those numbers yet we don't have.

514
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:51,000
You know metrics yet but at this point we know the state does want to look at vehicle miles traveled for every land use that is created.

515
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Because the number of the distance that you need to travel because of a land use of the number of trips it creates adds to air quality impacts and other impacts.

516
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,000
So that that's a metric that we know is going to be there and we've analyzed that in our EIR.

517
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
So for example having jobs.

518
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
And housing.

519
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Right.

520
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
I was one another.

521
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Yeah.

522
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
A lot of things for example.

523
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Right.

524
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,000
So.

525
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Right.

526
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Yes.

527
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:28,000
So it doesn't prove for example if you've got one use that creates traffic and you have another one that helps it because you're locating them next to each other.

528
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000
It's a good thing and it reduces vehicle miles traveled.

529
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Thank you.

530
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Yeah, but then next to each other doesn't mean they will be working even here and then working there.

531
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Right.

532
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000
There's no necessity a connection there right.

533
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Yes.

534
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Our our consultants can tell you how they come up with those numbers are environmental consultant there's actually a methodology you use the same methodology you used to figure out how many seconds of delay you have it in intersection you know they're all.

535
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,000
They're all done in a in a in a in a technical way and the same way so it's at least you're comparable.

536
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Okay, so let me ask you the clarification of the state doesn't have a performance major on the mobility yet.

537
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
No, not yet other than vehicle miles traveled.

538
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
That's the only one we have at this point.

539
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
But if they don't have the performance management.

540
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,000
How can they men they us we have to do with this many units that doesn't make any sense.

541
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
And we can go.

542
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,000
They come the current from the races and is they cannot get out of their house because you're.

543
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000
So how can they do that?

544
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,000
So would you want to wait until we get to the housing element to tell you how we come up with the units we can do that.

545
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Okay.

546
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,000
And so that the final thing is the housing element which is a state mandated element.

547
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:52,000
And then we can go more into the schedule that we need to adopt it by so that you kind of have a better understanding of what it means.

548
00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:03,000
But we're going to spend a few minutes just going through five key questions that we would like to ask the council that are going to inform the general plan as well as.

549
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:12,000
The housing element and I'm going to I'm going to talk a little bit more about the chapters and the elements before before we go into those.

550
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
We have a chapter now on planning areas.

551
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:25,000
What we've basically done is organize the general plan to create a chapter on planning areas before it was distributed throughout.

552
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:34,000
The land use section and we've tried to create it planning area by planning area so that it is clear when you read the general plan.

553
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
What the expectations are for each area.

554
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
So we've reorganized that a little bit.

555
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
The the primary.

556
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Language and the goals and policies have not changed since the 2005 general plan.

557
00:41:51,000 --> 00:42:00,000
So we have two kinds of planning areas special areas that are already in our current general plan, a special areas and those are the major corridors.

558
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Stephen's Creek, which is heart of the city.

559
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,000
Deans a boulevard north and south deans a homestead road.

560
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:15,000
As well as north and south Valco, which is in the wolf and Stephen's Creek through the homestead area.

561
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:25,000
We also have a section on neighborhoods now, which are mostly residential areas and the policies for that are mainly preservation of the existing neighborhoods.

562
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,000
To try to make sure that any development that abuts neighborhoods.

563
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Bills in the right neighborhood buffers so that neighborhoods are protected and to improve connectivity of those neighborhoods to their local parks and schools.

564
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Our mobility element used to be called circulation so there's a name change to reflect the changes that we are expected to make over time.

565
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:55,000
We have a recreation community services element and that talks about the parks and open space.

566
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,000
It used to be in land use but we've pulled it out because we think it's important.

567
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:08,000
As a separate element, there's infrastructure, sustainability and health and safety and all these in some way are required elements in a general plan.

568
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:15,000
So we have five key questions for the council that people will be walking us through.

569
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:23,000
One is what should the citywide development allocation be and those are for residential office hotel and commercial.

570
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Should the city have a community benefits policy and we will go to each one of those in detail.

571
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
What should community form and the heights be in each area?

572
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:43,000
What should the vision for Valco be and then which ones should be our priority housing element sites that will go into the housing element.

573
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:52,000
And we've also asked for a list of alternative sites just in case the Department of Housing and Community Development, which is the State Department.

574
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Disagrees with the city on any sites.

575
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
So you want to answer tonight?

576
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Well, we're looking for answers on these questions.

577
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000
It's up to the council to decide when they want to answer it.

578
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,000
With regard to the first question back in August 2012, the city council recognized the lack of development allocation.

579
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,000
We've been going through our office allocation at a fast clips since the adoption of the 2005 general plan.

580
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:27,000
There is only about 17,113 square feet left in the citywide office allocation pool.

581
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:35,000
And essentially city council recognizing that asked staff to look at what should be replenished and put back into the general plan.

582
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:41,000
And in order to support that, basically commissioned a market study.

583
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:50,000
And what it revealed was that there was a general capacity in the city to accept approximately two points.

584
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,000
About three million square feet of new office space.

585
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
985 hotel rooms.

586
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
And then 400.

587
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,000
A 4,421 residential units kind of in line with what the plan barrier, the region's sustainability community strategy says.

588
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:17,000
But it said that in general, the amount of commercial square footage that the city has in its allocation pool is about enough.

589
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:24,000
And so with that, we looked at several alternatives, like Dan mentioned, there were three alternatives created.

590
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:33,000
And then it looked at, in the first alternative, which is alternative, a, it only looked at about 500, half a million square feet of office allocation increase.

591
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:43,000
All the way to alternative C, which looked at about three and a half million square foot of increase in office allocation, which was approximately the maximum that was revealed by the market study.

592
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:52,000
And there were, the table basically lays out what the violence plan recommends and what the planning commission recommended at its October 20 meeting.

593
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:01,000
So the violence plan recommends an increase of about 2 million square feet of office development by the planning commission recommended approximately a half million square foot increase.

594
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:11,000
The planning commission also recommended that the major office major employers allocation pool for office allocation be dissolved into the citywide allocation pool.

595
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
So I'll be into the citywide.

596
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
That means pick it out way.

597
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Marge it into the citywide pools and not have a separate allocation for major employers that the current general plan has.

598
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,000
However, the balance plan recommends retaining that and with the 2 million square feet at the 2 million square feet.

599
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:36,000
For commercial development in general, none of the alternative and alternatives anticipate an increase in the commercial square footage for hotel rooms.

600
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:50,000
The allocation was studied from an increase of about 600 hotel rooms in alternative A to about 1,000 additional rooms in alternative C both the balance plan and planning commission recommend an increase of 1,000 hotel rooms.

601
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,000
For a maximum of 1,339 hotel rooms to be available for development allocation.

602
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:09,000
With regard to residential development, the alternative study and increase in allocation from about 1800 and the current general plan has 1895 dwelling units that it available for allocation.

603
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:23,000
And the alternatives looked at no change in alternative A all the way to 4,421 units, which is an in net increase of 2,526 units to be in line with the plan Bay area regional targets.

604
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:31,000
And essentially the first question is what should the development allocation be for office commercial hotel and residential units through 2040.

605
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Once again, the two highlighted columns show the balance plan recommendation and the planning commission recommendation.

606
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,000
And I'm happy to bring it up when the council decides this or discusses this.

607
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:57,000
With regard to community benefits, essentially the community at large did in through the community input process say that basically indicated that there was strong support for community benefits.

608
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Essentially if there was development the community and that there would be any increased heights that were offered for developers to have that there should be some level of community benefit that is offered to the community in return.

609
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Essentially the balance plan looks at it and says that the proposed level of benefit should be equivalent to about 15% of the project valuation.

610
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,000
The increase of the project valuation attributed to the increase in height.

611
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:32,000
The policy calls for the ground floor retail component and one or more of the following benefits, which include transportation and mobility improvements such as bike pedestrian facilities.

612
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Maybe participation in a community shuttle program.

613
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Public facilities either land or space for public facility, senior housing about 15% of the housing that is not already targeted towards seniors.

614
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Public art and cultural facilities may be new or an expansion to an existing museum or teen center and parks and open space such as land or improvements within the project or even off site.

615
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:02,000
And additional component of the community benefits project program is the cash in new contributions.

616
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:08,000
So if they could instead of any of the other benefits that were provided on site.

617
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,000
The value of that would be calculated in cash in the developer could pay that in cash.

618
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,000
So the second question of facility council is should co-partina have a community benefits program.

619
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:26,000
And if so what revision should be made to the value of the community benefits or maybe specific program items such as the retail requirement or any other items.

620
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Can I ask you a question?

621
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Certainly.

622
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Are you aware that the printing commission voted don't want to have anything to do with you?

623
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
That is correct.

624
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,000
The planning commission did recommend to do away with the community benefits program.

625
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Or it is in the balance plan. So we're asking council whether they want to retain it or go with planning commission's recommendation of actually taking it out of the balance plan.

626
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Okay. Thank you.

627
00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:00,000
With regard to heights the way that the balance plan is set up that it is that the increased heights are recommended in some parts of the city.

628
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Based on the falling input that they received.

629
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:10,000
There was the community design survey that indicated support for increased heights near freeways and away from residential development.

630
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000
So the way that the heights are set up or a cup of tea no in nor deans special area.

631
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
Valco shopping district east.

632
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:27,000
The oak skate way that are all away from freeways and with appropriate buffering from some of the neighbourhoods along north deans that it might be appropriate to have increased heights.

633
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:34,000
For hotels there would be there was seem to be support for increased heights such as at cup of tea no in at the clinical properties.

634
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
And we're existing taller because the buildings exist already.

635
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,000
So it was at the north deans especially area and then at city center.

636
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Or in some areas there was increased heights are being proposed to allow increased office development such as in north deans.

637
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,000
North crossroads note and at the Valco shopping district east which is on the east side of Wolfroad.

638
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
And also to address the housing element component.

639
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Maybe allow increased heights to allow increased density on certain properties such as the oak skate way and at the Hamptons.

640
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:14,000
And these tables the following tables on the three slides essentially show where those increased heights are and and I can bring those up when each special areas under discussion by council.

641
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Can you tell me how high the separate hotels.

642
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Cypress hotel at this point I believe is around 95 feet 95 feet.

643
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Yes.

644
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Okay. Thank you.

645
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Thanks.

646
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000
No, no.

647
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Cypress.

648
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:43,000
So the third key question for city council is are any changes to the heights recommended in the special areas with this council like any changes to those.

649
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,000
And I'd like to point out that there are a couple of requests of come in since the planning commission meeting and

650
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Cooper to know in is requesting a hundred eight foot height for nine story building.

651
00:51:52,000 --> 00:52:01,000
And Steven's Creek office center is requesting 75 feet proportions of the site that are away from the street and kind of towards the center of the site.

652
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Yes.

653
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Right.

654
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
When this.

655
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Cooper to know in and Steven's Creek office center.

656
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Who never request for a height.

657
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Today.

658
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Explain why they want to.

659
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Would they request on it.

660
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,000
So.

661
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,000
So I can help here the applicant for those two items are here and when they come during the public hearing you can ask them.

662
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Okay.

663
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
They'll do a presentation.

664
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
All right.

665
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Thank you.

666
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Thank you.

667
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Thank you.

668
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Thank you.

669
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Thank you.

670
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Thank you.

671
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
For the value shopping district.

672
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:39,000
As mentioned before, there were several community workshops that were held and the work community workshops indicated that there was support for office development residential development and retail development.

673
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:54,000
In a mixed use town center format, everybody use the words or many people use the words like Santana Rowe like stand for shopping center and also included open space in a mid to high higher rise kind of development with appropriate buffers for single family neighborhoods.

674
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:08,000
In addition, the city also conducted the God be survey recently and found that there was strong support for revitalization of Valco at 67.7% and a strong support for a mix of housing and office uses in addition to retail and entertainment uses about 52%

675
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,000
of the people survey indicated that they supported that.

676
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
And the balance.

677
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000
One question.

678
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Can you go back?

679
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000
On the community workshop indicated open spaces.

680
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Did they specify what kind of open spaces do they want it?

681
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:32,000
I think the predominantly they were just putting squares in.

682
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,000
So more like the main street project in the form of a town square or a plaza or a small place.

683
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:45,000
No, we didn't hear anything for soccer fields.

684
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:55,000
I think that was okay either linear square park where people could get together and eat and you know that kind of an activity area.

685
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Generally.

686
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Thank you.

687
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Back.

688
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Back question about the God be survey.

689
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,000
I believe.

690
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,000
If you do strongly support and somewhat support, you really get about three quarters of the people.

691
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Is that correct?

692
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Yeah, that's correct.

693
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
This is only those that were checked at various the highest levels of support.

694
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,000
So I'm sorry.

695
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Can you give that to us again?

696
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Besides strong.

697
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
If we go to strong and or.

698
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
We can get the numbers for you.

699
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000
I have it here.

700
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Right.

701
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Okay.

702
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,000
So.

703
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000
It's strongly support 52 as you said.

704
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Somewhat support 26.1 and then somewhat opposed 6.7.

705
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000
I'm sorry.

706
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Okay.

707
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Okay.

708
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
For revitalization of Alco.

709
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
So the actual question.

710
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Yes.

711
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,000
That this is the one about the specifics.

712
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Economic economists are economists market experts advise that including a mix of housing and office uses.

713
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:53,000
To development project can make it financially feasible to say new vibrant retail and entertainment.

714
00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Would you support or oppose these uses of Valco strongly support 52 somewhat support 26.1.

715
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Somewhat opposed 6.7 strongly opposed 10.2.

716
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Do not know or no answer five percent.

717
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Okay.

718
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Do you have further revitalization over Allan?

719
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
I do.

720
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:19,000
The Valco shopping district of Latino at the intersection of Stephen's Creek Boulevard and

721
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000
will throw this historically been an important central shopping district.

722
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:29,000
You support read by Lization of the Valco shopping district strongly support 67.7.

723
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
Somewhat support 19.

724
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Somewhat opposed 5.3.

725
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Strongly opposed 3.

726
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,000
Do not know.

727
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000
No answer five.

728
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Thank you.

729
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Okay.

730
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000
It's helpful.

731
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000
All right.

732
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000
You remember it doesn't make.

733
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,000
It doesn't end up though.

734
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
You just told me support 67.7.

735
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Somewhat opposed 19.

736
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Opposed 30.

737
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,000
So you added.

738
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
Somewhat opposed 5.3.

739
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Would the 30.

740
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Probably opposed 3.

741
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
And then there's the right now.

742
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000
So there's the misunderstood.

743
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000
Is no 30 percent.

744
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000
No.

745
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Opposed.

746
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000
All right.

747
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Got it.

748
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Sorry.

749
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
I haven't hear if you want.

750
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
So I'd just like to restate.

751
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,000
There is support for revitalization at Valco at 86%.

752
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:26,000
And as strong support for mixed use of office and housing uses in addition to retail and entertainment of about 78.1%.

753
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:34,000
So with that in mind, the balance plan essentially includes office and residential uses with substantial retail and entertainment component.

754
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,000
It must the policy and the vision for Valco must include a complete redevelopment of the site.

755
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,000
And adoption of a specific plan with phasing and infrastructure improvements in a town centre format.

756
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:54,000
And just the falling table essentially just shows you the different allocations that are recommended to be set aside for Valco.

757
00:56:54,000 --> 00:57:04,000
For commercial which is retail development of about 600,000 square feet for office, 1 million square feet for hotel, 375 hotel rooms and 600 dwelling units.

758
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,000
And the key question for council is would you agree with the specific plan on the town centre concept?

759
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,000
With a mix of entertainment and retail uses with residential and office uses at Valco.

760
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,000
So who come out with those number for town centre format?

761
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:24,000
The commercial retail 600,000 square feet and the residential units 600 units.

762
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,000
That was the staff recommendation which is the balance plan.

763
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,000
And the recommendation was to make Valco housing element site with 600 years.

764
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:39,000
So from staff evaluation this mix will make it successful.

765
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Right. We do have an update for the office component which is going to be on the next slide.

766
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,000
We also want to report back that the planning commission did not want Valco to be housing element site.

767
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,000
They would not oppose to having office and residential and hotel uses on the site.

768
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:02,000
In fact they said with a specific plan but they wanted to see what the development would look like.

769
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,000
And so they did not want to allocate units in the housing element towards the site.

770
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,000
So that's the planning commission.

771
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Okay so you're saying they said no to making it a housing element site while saying they'd be fine having a house.

772
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000
They were open.

773
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,000
They didn't want to assign part of the housing element to it.

774
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Yes.

775
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Wouldn't that potentially mean if we had to have a certain number of sites to meet our regional housing element.

776
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,000
That would that anything that happened in Valco could be in addition to that.

777
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:42,000
They understood that when they set when they allocated the approximately 1,400 units on other sites.

778
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
But that's.

779
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000
So that would.

780
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,000
That's to them.

781
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Right.

782
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,000
If that would ultimately.

783
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,000
We had to make it.

784
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Right.

785
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,000
But they said it would depend on a plan when they saw the specific plan.

786
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Well we have no I mean the housing element has to be done.

787
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Right.

788
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Right.

789
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,000
So they they recommended 1,400 units on other sites.

790
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,000
Other than Valco.

791
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,000
Right.

792
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Right.

793
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Could.

794
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Just to close a loop.

795
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Which could.

796
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000
If there would then was a specific plan for Valco that had.

797
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,000
It could be.

798
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,000
1400 plus another six hundred.

799
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Right.

800
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000
Okay.

801
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Right.

802
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,000
And again they didn't talk about the number.

803
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
No.

804
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Thank.

805
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,000
I didn't get the impression from the meeting.

806
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
They were in favor of housing in Falco.

807
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
They just didn't.

808
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000
I don't say they didn't say they were against it.

809
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
But I didn't get the impression they were favorite of it either.

810
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
So just to be clear.

811
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Currently there's about 1.2 million square feet of commercial.

812
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Yes.

813
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
About that.

814
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,000
So this would be half the amount of commercial.

815
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
It's currently there.

816
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Right.

817
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
And again, this is recommended as a minimum.

818
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Right.

819
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000
As not as a maximum.

820
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,000
Doesn't say that.

821
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000
It just says recommended.

822
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Right.

823
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,000
And we can clarify.

824
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Okay.

825
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
So in other words, that that's the minimum amount of housing.

826
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,000
Staff is recommending six hundred units.

827
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,000
You know, six hundred thousand square feet is the minimum.

828
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,000
That staff is recommending that it should have a minimum.

829
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000
The table's minimum, that says you're a minimum minimum of 600 housing units.

830
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,000
No, only the, you know, we, we, this table.

831
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,000
So is it a minimum, a maximum, or just a minimum?

832
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Let me go through it.

833
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,000
We can point you to the right page, but the slide is probably missed the word minimum.

834
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:28,000
It recommends a minimum of 600,000 square feet of retail, a maximum of 1 million square feet of office.

835
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,000
There is currently one million square feet of office, which there isn't currently on the slide.

836
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Zero currently?

837
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Zero.

838
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Right.

839
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,000
A maximum of 375 hotel rooms.

840
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Does that include what was just approved?

841
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,000
Yes.

842
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,000
It will include what was just approved.

843
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Okay.

844
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,000
And then a maximum of 600 units of resident.

845
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Okay.

846
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,000
It also recommends a specific plan.

847
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
And for the public, how many hotels were just approved?

848
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000
Pardon?

849
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,000
How many hotel rooms were just approved for the private?

850
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000
At the height?

851
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,000
On the 20.

852
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,000
About 145.

853
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Is it 145?

854
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,000
I think that's right.

855
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,000
I think that's right.

856
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,000
Exactly.

857
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,000
143.

858
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:21,000
So it gives us about 230 additional hotel rooms, because we had assumed there'd be a couple of sites.

859
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,000
I have a couple more questions on this slide.

860
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000
Okay.

861
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,000
With regard to the statistics, how many acres are there on this Valco site?

862
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:37,000
So, it is about 50 some acres, roughly?

863
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,000
50 acres.

864
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Okay.

865
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:48,000
And can you review what we've heard from the city hired retail consultant, or are you going to get to that?

866
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,000
I'm going to get to that on the next slide.

867
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Thank you.

868
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,000
I would just like to point out in the staff's report.

869
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,000
Valco shopping district is the South Valco master plan of the documents.

870
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,000
Correct?

871
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,000
Is that a compass all of that?

872
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Right.

873
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:10,000
The South Valco master plan encompasses Valco and then the connections to Main Street and other sites as well.

874
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,000
It talks about the streetscape connections.

875
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000
It's not a legal document.

876
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,000
It's just a...

877
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Well, it's referred to in some of the staff documents.

878
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,000
The South Valco versus North Valco master plan.

879
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000
In the general plan?

880
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,000
With a layout for the South and North Valco.

881
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,000
Right.

882
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,000
So, is the Valco shopping district all of the South Valco?

883
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,000
No.

884
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,000
The South Valco special area consists of...

885
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
So, let's do the math.

886
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:42,000
The Valco shopping district is called out as a special separate special area from the rest of South Valco.

887
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,000
In the sort of some set of South Valco but does not include anything from North Valco?

888
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Correct.

889
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000
Yeah.

890
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Thank you.

891
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,000
Um...

892
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,000
So, what do you want?

893
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,000
It is.

894
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000
Yeah.

895
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:04,000
Just like, um, we got a specific request from Sandhill with regard to the Valco shopping district.

896
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Sandhill has communicated with the city that they have acquired all properties in the Valco shopping district,

897
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000
except the indoor and wall portion.

898
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,000
And the two parcels that are located at about the freeway.

899
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,000
But what they do need to redevelop the site is about 2 million square feet of office space.

900
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000
600...

901
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,000
600...

902
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000
600...

903
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000
600,000 square feet of retail.

904
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:32,000
And they would like the heights that are associated or studied with alternative sea, which are essentially on the west side of the wall.

905
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,000
60 feet or 75 with retail.

906
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Or up to 85 feet with retail and community benefits.

907
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,000
And on the east side of the wall, 75 feet or 90 feet with retail.

908
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,000
And up to 160 feet with retail and community benefits.

909
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,000
And this...

910
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,000
And this...

911
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,000
The city's retail strategist who's here tonight has stated that the residential and office...

912
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,000
Uh...

913
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,000
are the highest the best uses for the site.

914
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:02,000
And in addition that the BAE markets study found that the net new city-wide demand of 2.4 to 3 million square feet of office has been found.

915
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,000
And therefore up to 2 million square feet for Valco could be reasonable and necessary to make this project viable.

916
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,000
However, that the ultimate allocation is dependent on analysis of a development performance.

917
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
So the key question...

918
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,000
Just to be clear, highest and best use means the most profitable for the property owner.

919
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,000
That is correct.

920
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Thank you.

921
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
And so the question...

922
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000
The key question essentially is what should the Valco shopping districts allocation be?

923
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:36,000
There are other minor revisions to the General Plan with regard to the PG&E site.

924
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,000
It's changed from quasi-public to institutional to add a commercial designation to it.

925
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,000
To add a commercial designation to a property which is also about the PG&E site at Mirapat.

926
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,000
So it would include office and residential uses with...

927
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,000
Oops.

928
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
I'm sorry.

929
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,000
And then other revisions to ensure that the General Plan land use designations and zoning are consistent.

930
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,000
A few PG&E or E express to us that they have no interest to change it.

931
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,000
Correct.

932
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,000
This is a 26-year plan.

933
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,000
So this is just a long-term planning document.

934
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
And you think that they may change the online data?

935
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,000
It's time to tell.

936
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,000
Okay.

937
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
Just back to the PG&E site.

938
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
I'm going to ask you the same one.

939
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Next to that site is all residential.

940
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,000
And there's sort of not a lot of commercial right there.

941
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
And so why...

942
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
And it doesn't look...

943
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,000
It's not obvious it would be a good commercial site to me.

944
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,000
So why commercial is opposed to residential?

945
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Well, we had talked about this a very long time ago when we started the General Plan.

946
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:52,000
And it was something that the idea was to try to find larger sites for retail.

947
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
The city has very few sites.

948
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:03,000
And there have been, you know, retail retailers in the past who have come to the city to look for some of these sites.

949
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,000
And this was proposed as a potential site in the future.

950
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:18,000
It was not looked at as a residential site at all for a number of reasons because it could not be included in the housing element.

951
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Because it is owned by a public entity.

952
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000
And it would not be accepted by ACV as a site.

953
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Because a lot of things have to happen before that could be a residential site.

954
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
And so staff did not recommend that as a residential site.

955
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Because we felt that we wanted to focus on the housing element.

956
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,000
But if you look at it sort of an island, if you put it...

957
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Right.

958
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,000
To tell island, not next to any other retail, even though it's a larger site.

959
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Why would you feel it's comes as accessible?

960
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,000
Well, if you look at the corner, the Blaney and...

961
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,000
And home-stead corner, those are retail.

962
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:01,000
And so we thought it could be a long home-stead, not so much Blaney,

963
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,000
but it could create a corner retail in that area.

964
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,000
How big is that slice?

965
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,000
You can...

966
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
No, it's larger than that.

967
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
We can get you these 20 some acres.

968
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
20 some acres?

969
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,000
Right.

970
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,000
So that would be perfect for the school's side end.

971
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
Okay.

972
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
I'm sure...

973
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000
If you can pose your paws, I really appreciate those.

974
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Could you continue to staff, please?

975
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Yes.

976
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,000
So moving on to the housing element portion of the project.

977
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,000
As mentioned before, it is the only element of the general plan that needs to review and certification

978
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,000
by the California Department of Housing and Community Development.

979
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:51,000
This is the fifth planning cycle for the housing element, which encompasses the years 2014 to 2022.

980
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000
And it must be adopted by January 31st, 2015.

981
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000
However, there is a 120-day grace period.

982
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,000
So it must be adopted by May 31st, 2015.

983
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:06,000
If adopted, the next housing element update will be in 2023.

984
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,000
And if it is not adopted, it must be updated every four years.

985
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,000
So our next adoption date would be in 2019.

986
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,000
The content for the housing element is dictated by state law.

987
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,000
It includes needs assessment, constraints to new housing production,

988
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,000
description of goals, policies and strategies to achieve the objectives of the housing element,

989
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:31,000
housing production objectives consistent with the rena, which is the regional housing

990
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:37,000
needs allocation and a site inventory and evaluation of the accomplishments that have occurred

991
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,000
since the adoption of the last housing element.

992
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,000
And also a review of the consistency with other elements of the general plan.

993
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,000
I ask another question.

994
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Most of the email I got, portion of it will ask in us to, can we today show within it?

995
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:59,000
Do we have time to delay the decision tonight?

996
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,000
I think the decision is really up to the council.

997
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,000
That's why we're here tonight, Barry.

998
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:11,000
But I'm asking them, do you have time if we choose to delay?

999
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:19,000
We try to sort of backtrack and try to figure out when this city would have to start

1000
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,000
having hearings on the final adoption of the housing element.

1001
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:29,000
And if you include one meeting of the council, one meeting of the planning commission and one meeting of the

1002
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:36,000
housing commission, those would have to start happening in March, early March of next year.

1003
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,000
Noticing usually takes about three weeks before that.

1004
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:47,000
So in February, we need to know what the housing element is going to have.

1005
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,000
And then I just want to say ACD takes about 60 days to get back to a city.

1006
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
So please.

1007
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000
By the end of the year we had.

1008
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,000
But then we would have no ability to talk to ACD.

1009
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,000
If ACD says these are the things you need to do, then those will be done.

1010
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
So it leaves no time for discussion with ACD.

1011
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
We can not argue, we can only go to you.

1012
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,000
No, they, yeah, last time it took us one year to go from draft to final.

1013
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:23,000
And at that time we didn't have the same penalties that we have now.

1014
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:29,000
So again, it depends on how much discussion we want to have with ACD.

1015
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,000
Or are we just going to implement whatever ACD says.

1016
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000
And then just bring them through.

1017
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,000
So ACD come out with something.

1018
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,000
We don't have time, then we have to obey it.

1019
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,000
We have to follow it.

1020
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,000
If you want to have a housing element, yes.

1021
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Okay, thank you.

1022
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Right.

1023
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,000
So I'll follow up with some questions on that.

1024
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:55,000
If we fail to get the housing element adopted by me.

1025
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,000
We're automatically put on a four-year cycle.

1026
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Right.

1027
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,000
And my understanding is we would end up building significantly.

1028
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,000
We would end up having to sign significantly more.

1029
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,000
More you.

1030
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,000
Over the eight year period then.

1031
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,000
You know, it's, it's never happened before to anybody.

1032
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,000
This is the first time people will be on a four-year cycle.

1033
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
So we might be at test case.

1034
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,000
So my understanding is that.

1035
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Medal of Park was recalcitrant on this.

1036
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,000
The residents didn't want housing.

1037
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,000
Medal of Park said no.

1038
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,000
The city council said, yep, where were the residents.

1039
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,000
And they basically.

1040
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,000
In gender lawsuits.

1041
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000
And.

1042
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,000
After the courts.

1043
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,000
After these lawsuits came up in 2012.

1044
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,000
In April they settled.

1045
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
But in settling they paid a real price.

1046
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:56,000
So in a city of 33,000 residents.

1047
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,000
Which is what?

1048
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,000
About half the size of Cupertino.

1049
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,000
They were required by the settlement to find place for 1,975 units.

1050
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,000
That's correct.

1051
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,000
And I see Pleasanton.

1052
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,000
In this gotten this boat.

1053
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,000
I see Alameda gotten this boat.

1054
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,000
Mr. City manager.

1055
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Madam City attorney.

1056
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,000
Do you have anything to add on this?

1057
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:24,000
We actually have a special council here who can give you the list of horribles that can happen.

1058
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Amongst other things if you don't have a complaint.

1059
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,000
Housing element.

1060
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,000
Any developer that comes with a project that has 20% affordable.

1061
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:39,000
Get's automatic approval of their development regardless of general plan or zoning.

1062
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,000
Whatever they happen to own it.

1063
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,000
They get it right down right now.

1064
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,000
Without the city council's approval.

1065
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,000
Right.

1066
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,000
It has to be approved.

1067
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,000
And also they can put a moratorium in all building permits.

1068
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,000
Especially commercial building permits.

1069
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,000
During the dependency of you not having a housing element in place.

1070
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,000
If the court so determines.

1071
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Which can be on risk.

1072
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,000
I mean it would.

1073
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,000
For example put the apple project at a halt because they wouldn't be able to get their building permits to continue.

1074
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
We couldn't issue building permits for anything.

1075
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,000
Just talk about it.

1076
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,000
I'm trying to have everybody get educated about it.

1077
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,000
If I may.

1078
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,000
No.

1079
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,000
I started as city attorney of element in 1989.

1080
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000
I was there until 2006.

1081
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,000
One of the reasons I got my job was because of the problems in that.

1082
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Legal aid had sued the city for a non-compliant housing element.

1083
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,000
The courts issued a moratorium until they got a complaint housing element.

1084
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,000
You couldn't do a lot line adjustment when I started moratorium on.

1085
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,000
You couldn't do that.

1086
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,000
You couldn't do that.

1087
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,000
You couldn't do that.

1088
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,000
You couldn't do that.

1089
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,000
All building permits in the city.

1090
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,000
I don't know about building permits.

1091
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,000
But it was there was probably some ministerial building permits.

1092
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,000
But any land use decision could not.

1093
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,000
No land.

1094
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,000
I mean they said couldn't even do a lot of money adjustments for 18 months.

1095
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
Nobody could do anything zero until.

1096
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,000
And the court issued that.

1097
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,000
And I was there.

1098
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,000
So this isn't a parade of horrible.

1099
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,000
That's academic.

1100
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,000
I worked for a city.

1101
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,000
That I mean the planning commission was completely out of business for 18 months.

1102
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,000
Thank God you're here in Cooper Tino now.

1103
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,000
Yes.

1104
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,000
So another question about the timing of this.

1105
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,000
So my understanding is we are coming in at the.

1106
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,000
That now all cities have been phased up to be on the same cycle.

1107
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:33,000
And can you comment on where we're falling with respect to the other cities in the county and coming in.

1108
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,000
If even if we decide make a decision tonight.

1109
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,000
What's the.

1110
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,000
How are we doing.

1111
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,000
With respect to the other cities by the.

1112
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Out of the 13 cities and one county in Santa Clara County.

1113
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000
I think we have.

1114
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:54,000
Cooper Tino Los Altos and Los Altos Hills that have not yet submitted their drafts.

1115
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,000
Los Altos expected to submit there's this month.

1116
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,000
And then I think Los Altos.

1117
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,000
We're going to talk about what we actually achieved in the period that we're going to

1118
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:26,000
really scrutinize you if they don't actually get built and it's going to get harder going on. Can you talk about

1119
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:34,000
talk about what we actually achieved in the period that recently ended 2007 to 2020?

1120
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:44,000
I'm going to talk to some, so this is an eight-year cycle. 2014 to 2022. Our regional housing

1121
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:56,000
location number is 1,064 units. Last time around it was a 7-year period, 2007 to 2014. Our allocation was 1,170.

1122
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:06,000
It's about 1200 units. We had already approved about 5,000 odd units and that included.

1123
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:12,000
If you remember, this was the old Main Street project with 160 senior housing units.

1124
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:18,000
No one that got overturned by referendum. Sorry. We had a 500 units. We had approved and that also included

1125
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:26,000
the Rose Bowl project that was approved in 2006. It's being built now, but it was approved many years ago.

1126
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:32,000
You're talking about entitlements over this thousand-dollar period. So you could take credit for those entitlements.

1127
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:39,000
There was also a project on what was previously on the Apple Campus and I think 120 units.

1128
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:45,000
Under a 30-unit project, that was approved there. So we had taken credit for all of those.

1129
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:53,000
We also had about 13 sites that were selected to provide about 717 units.

1130
01:16:53,000 --> 01:17:01,000
That's the balance that we needed in order to make up the difference. Since then, we have the Rose Bowl

1131
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:09,000
has been built for which we had credit. The Main Street units went from 160 to 120.

1132
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:21,000
The bill was built with 80 units. But again, the Apple site became the Campus Sageway, which was a site

1133
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:31,000
that became a retail development and kind of care, which was another site was approved with improvements

1134
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:37,000
and a daycare. So against that 1170, what did we actually yield?

1135
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:47,000
We actually were looking through, but 204 plus 120 plus 80. I looked it up in the staff report and I guess 62.

1136
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:55,000
So that's 57% yield. What? I mean, actually I'm a little surprised for an eight-year period.

1137
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:05,000
If I can say this got away with 1064. So one more year substantially less units.

1138
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:13,000
And I understand we were initially given 1,300 and we were able to negotiate that down. Is that correct?

1139
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:21,000
We were given 1365. But if we're coming in late and we only yielded 57% the last cycle,

1140
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:27,000
HDD has every reason to scrutinize us carefully. Well, they did us scrutinize us last time too.

1141
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:35,000
Like, they come out and they actually visit the sites. They talked to the property owners. They actually spend a lot of effort.

1142
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,000
We spend a lot of money that we're really going to get 1064 out of this.

1143
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:49,000
Right. We spend a lot of time with back and forth with them. And some cities were surprised to hear that they came down here to actually visit the sites.

1144
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:55,000
They did. What were happy we were prevailed? And then we were able to convince them.

1145
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:05,000
So last time if we found 14 sites and 13 sites and we had an allocate, we showed a total cap of around 5,000 this time.

1146
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Sorry. Sorry. A total of 1170. Right. So 517.

1147
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,000
You said something about 525 year plan? No. Okay.

1148
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:25,000
So we'll just stick with our housing. Okay. So.

1149
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:33,000
So this time again, they are getting stricter and our consultants have said they're recommending because all of our sites tend to be

1150
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:43,000
sites with existing buildings on them. We don't have bacon sites to look at about 40% more, which is a total of 1,400 units.

1151
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:49,000
And so you will see through our recommendations we're trying to keep to those 1,400 units.

1152
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:59,000
In addition, about 2,3rd of our housing is required to be affordable in one category the other with a minimum density of 20 units to the acre.

1153
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:09,000
So you couldn't build lower than that and claim that they were affordable. Again, these sites have to be zoned for that density.

1154
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000
The city is not required to build them if the market is not good.

1155
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:19,000
But we are required to zoned for them and entertain development proposals if they come forward.

1156
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Okay. And it's also the case.

1157
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,000
I'll leave it there for now. Thanks.

1158
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:39,000
So there's very low low moderate and above moderate housing on this chart and I know by price we don't probably make any of those.

1159
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:43,000
We do make them by density. So what are the densities for each of those?

1160
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:57,000
There's a blanket density of a minimum of 20 units to the acre that qualify for the low and very low.

1161
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,000
And what about the moderate and above moderate?

1162
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Moderator above moderate don't have the same limitations but maybe we can verify.

1163
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:13,000
We can verify with the consultant about the moderate because I remember last time when we took credit for.

1164
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:21,000
We had built 500 plus units but we couldn't take credit for the very low low moderate.

1165
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:27,000
You can only take credit for the above moderate category and we had to find sites for the balance.

1166
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:37,000
So there have been some single family homes approved that would follow in the above moderate category.

1167
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,000
And some people have submitted lots and things like that building small number.

1168
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:49,000
So we actually have to show all those specifically as sites and our planner can we just say you have 30 approved and 32 second units in this space.

1169
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,000
We're only getting credit for 30 over the next eight years that are going to be built.

1170
01:21:53,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Yes you have to show sites but in the past we have been able to tell them that in the last seven years we approved about 30.

1171
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:09,000
We've approved an average of about 32 units as second units and so we're going to claim credit for that.

1172
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,000
So 32 second units over this eight year period.

1173
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:17,000
They haven't been built yet but we can claim credit and then we're going to claim credit for 30.

1174
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:25,000
So 30 units have already been built since January 1st of 2015 and those are subdivisions or.

1175
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:33,000
So why would we assume there's going to be no part of those why can't we claim some of those we have to find sites actual sites for the units.

1176
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:45,000
So any any lot that's bigger than the it's big enough to be in theory subdivided would be a potential site and we can we can certainly talk to the consultant about that it would require.

1177
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:51,000
A review of every possible lot and how many can be built yes.

1178
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:59,000
And then look at the balance for finding sites in in our mixed use districts.

1179
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,000
A couple more questions came to mind.

1180
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,000
His mark was talking.

1181
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:08,000
What can you comment on the number of housing elements sites and why.

1182
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,000
You feel that we need a certain minimum and how you arrive at that number.

1183
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:17,000
We can't put it all at one or two sites we've got to have a certain number right can you talk to that.

1184
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Again, this is this is more of experience having dealt with a CD and in discussions with a consultant who deals with it with them all the time.

1185
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:33,000
But ATD ones and this is a department state department of housing and community development.

1186
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:39,000
They need to make sure that cities are proposing housing element that can actually have.

1187
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Some capacity to get built out and it's not left on chance so if you put all of our units on one or two sites.

1188
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:55,000
And and that didn't develop and that would be a problem for them so they like cities to look at.

1189
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:03,000
As more sites than fewer sites again why is the number why we're recommending at least five.

1190
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:12,000
As we feel that last time we had about we had about 13 sites this time we're trying to focus development on very few sites.

1191
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:24,000
And so we feel like going to even a smaller number would would basically have a CD question again we don't have a whole lot of time for back and forth so we're trying to position this in the best way possible.

1192
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:39,000
Okay, can you comment on whether we could make an allotment contingent on somebody going forward within a certain number of years say three four years.

1193
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:52,000
And then if it's not used we would we would have a plan B in other words a backup that would say okay here's a credible alternative if a particular site did not go forward.

1194
01:24:52,000 --> 01:25:05,000
And we've talked a little bit and and we think we can convince the CD that the city is actually looking out for the housing element in that way because we want to make sure if a particular property on our doesn't perform.

1195
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Then we have the ability to find other sites so our sort of helps with the mitigation and not having to sort of overdo this assessment allotment okay.

1196
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:27,000
And finally, can you comment on the number that we've seen the four the four thousand four hundred and twenty two and talk to how that's different than the housing element.

1197
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,000
Right, so the city most cities don't have allocations.

1198
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:41,000
Our city does and but our city also has densities so you can't go above a certain density on a site.

1199
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:50,000
So I have to go back to a question that the planning commission asked because do we even need an allocation for residential units and we actually don't.

1200
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,000
We read it in the general plan we don't need an allocation.

1201
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:59,000
However, the EIR was analyzed based on the maximum that.

1202
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,000
The sustainable community strategies plan that was done by.

1203
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:11,000
A bag and MTC had assumed for a coupon to know because they do some projections and that's usually reconciled with.

1204
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:21,000
And that projection showed that the anticipated growth for Coutino is 44 21 units.

1205
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,000
Are we better off.

1206
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000
Frankly.

1207
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000
So that's 44 21 over 25 years.

1208
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,000
Over 20 for the life of our plans 20 40 right.

1209
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:37,000
Are we frankly better off in our negotiations to have a cap or to abolish it I noted that.

1210
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:42,000
And doing some research before the meeting that the city of Pleasanton.

1211
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:50,000
Was sued and the superior court of the state of California invalid invalid invalidated their housing cap is overly restrictive.

1212
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:59,000
I'm wondering if rather than pick a fight with HCD we followed the planning commission's recommendation in this regard and get rid of it or does that invite.

1213
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,000
It will require more SQL analysis because we had only analyzed 44 21.

1214
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:15,000
If we take the cap out it would require us to go back and look at every single site in the city and figure out what the maximum development could be.

1215
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,000
Really?

1216
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,000
Right.

1217
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Yuck.

1218
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,000
And that's the right.

1219
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,000
That's all other cities do their EIRs.

1220
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,000
Yuck.

1221
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,000
Question mark.

1222
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,000
Right.

1223
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,000
This actually limits the amount of housing.

1224
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,000
I think I thank you.

1225
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:37,000
So next 24 next 25 26 years.

1226
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,000
Right.

1227
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
4,421 units.

1228
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,000
For the year 20 40.

1229
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,000
Right.

1230
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,000
We're to allocate it.

1231
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,000
We don't have to.

1232
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,000
We could remove the cap but we.

1233
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:54,000
The only allocation we need to meet right now is the rena allocation of 1064.

1234
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
We'd have to go back and do the sequence.

1235
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,000
Because the sequence analysis would have to look at.

1236
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:06,000
Every site in the city that has residential capacity and look at.

1237
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,000
How in units could be built on every single site, which would likely be more than 44 21.

1238
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Just just to be clear, there was a.

1239
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,000
Study done that suggested what they thought the needs would be.

1240
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,000
We don't have to allocate those.

1241
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,000
Okay.

1242
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,000
All right.

1243
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,000
And we can't allocate more than those.

1244
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
We certainly don't have to allocate 40 400 units.

1245
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,000
Okay.

1246
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,000
14 21 unit for the next.

1247
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,000
A years.

1248
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,000
That's what also.

1249
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,000
14 to the same.

1250
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Yeah, that.

1251
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,000
So that.

1252
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,000
So that the 1,400 units we're recommending.

1253
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,000
We'll be drawn down from this 4,400.

1254
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,000
Okay.

1255
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,000
Right.

1256
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,000
It's part of that for the.

1257
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,000
If we don't approve.

1258
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,000
If we don't approve the 44 21 could we get ourselves in the same situation.

1259
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,000
This Pleasanton where a cap is seen as a restrictive thing.

1260
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,000
I will let David.

1261
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:57,000
Eventually you would probably be near the later parts of the plan.

1262
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
Well, I see.

1263
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Okay.

1264
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:05,000
So the general idea is we're modifying this plan on the order of every 10 years.

1265
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,000
The last one was 2005.

1266
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,000
So we could, in fact, bring this down.

1267
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,000
We could multiply by three say housing housing.

1268
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,000
Current housing element times three.

1269
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,000
Approximately 3,000 and.

1270
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:24,000
That roughly corresponds with three housing element cycles that eight years of peace.

1271
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,000
You could do that.

1272
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,000
You just want ideas.

1273
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,000
You don't want to.

1274
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,000
Run out of overall allocation.

1275
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,000
Before you can.

1276
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,000
Because otherwise.

1277
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,000
We're in we're another Pleasanton.

1278
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,000
I guess.

1279
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,000
Okay.

1280
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000
So thank you.

1281
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000
Can I ask council member.

1282
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,000
Think.

1283
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,000
Question.

1284
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,000
Is that something fun?

1285
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,000
It's not, uh, for menopause.

1286
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,000
Yeah.

1287
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,000
Quar, coming down.

1288
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,000
That's for the next eight year.

1289
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,000
Oh.

1290
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,000
Yeah.

1291
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000
They refused to approve.

1292
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
They basically.

1293
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Residents were didn't want it.

1294
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000
And the city council supported the residents.

1295
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
And.

1296
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:26,000
This was a number of parties to a lawsuit that was finally settled in April of 2012, and the city gave up a lot of money for affordable housing, but as part of the settlement, they also had to expeditiously approve sites for 1,975 units. And this is a city of 33,000 people.

1297
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:36,000
So we could be penalized. We could be. No, I think I've heard from all these experts that's exactly what happens in this case.

1298
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:52,000
In such case, where the city is recalcitrant, the folks at HCD and elsewhere in housing advocates, frankly, even in Silicon Valley, will be on our doorstep to say, hey, you know, you've got to meet your obligations and that's how it is.

1299
01:30:52,000 --> 01:31:00,000
So we don't, we could be, could be 3500 units, roughly, based on the population.

1300
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:18,000
I don't think you can extrapolate, but the point is, I think, if I understand correctly, the point here is, we're much better off trying to reach accommodation with HCD and the timeframe that they have,

1301
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:32,000
that they have giving our staff time to finalize negotiation so that it can be. The final thing, if it's different than what we approved tonight, can be handled by all of our commissions and then city council.

1302
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:47,000
So we are completely done by May, and there's no issue with us, lapsing, which automatically puts us into the four-year cycle, which I all expectations would cause us to have to do more on this.

1303
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Okay, thank you. Okay, yeah.

1304
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,000
It's definitely going to be like 30 more or less slides.

1305
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:01,000
I guess I'm going to skip over this one.

1306
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:09,000
With regard to the goals, policies and programs, they've been reformatted, they've been revised to address state housing law.

1307
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:16,000
They've been amendments to the zoning ordinance related to density bonuses and emergency shelters and farm worker and employee housing.

1308
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:25,000
There's also been a strategy identified to amend the Heart of the City specific plan to revise the method in which residential densities calculated and mixed use developments.

1309
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:35,000
A new goal has been added to highlight energy conservation and existing general plan policy related to mixed use development has been repositioned in the housing element.

1310
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,000
Again, these are updates related to state law and litigation.

1311
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:49,000
We regard to potential sites, there were different sites that were analyzed in different alternatives based on what the emphasis of that alternatives was.

1312
01:32:49,000 --> 01:33:01,000
In alternative A, there was minimal change alternative B, there was moderate change focused along the transit corridors in alternative C, there were the maximum densities that were proposed in housing elements sites were studied as such.

1313
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:09,000
There were certain criteria that were used to prioritize the housing element sites, there were ACD criteria, which are listed on this slide.

1314
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:14,000
And then there were other criteria that were identified through the SES, whether they were located within half-mile.

1315
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:20,000
The sustainable community strategy, which is the plan by area, which is adopted by ABag and MTC.

1316
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:29,000
So it was within weather that site was located within a half-mile of the BTA, and whether it was located close to employment or activity centers.

1317
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,000
Corner lots, and whether housing was needed for development of that site.

1318
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:42,000
And again, the Godby Survey indicated support for development of housing along major routes, and this was again the strongly support category at 36.2%.

1319
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:48,000
Can you give us the some support number there as well?

1320
01:33:48,000 --> 01:34:01,000
Right, we would also like to add that there was some support for putting housing in neighborhoods, but that was not something that we as staff are recommending.

1321
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,000
Maybe more than 36.2%.

1322
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:13,000
Yes, and so the way the question was structured, it was whether a dev housing development would be along major routes, whether they could be located on neighborhood streets.

1323
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:18,000
And so if they were not particularly whether you strongly support moderately support, do not support.

1324
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,000
The question was structured a little differently.

1325
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:33,000
So you're talking about the residential, can you be most specific at OK to the residential area?

1326
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,000
Neighborhood streets.

1327
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,000
Neighborhood streets.

1328
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,000
Neighborhood streets would be streets in our neighborhoods.

1329
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,000
Some suggestion of that, or...

1330
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:50,000
No, there was just the Godby Survey said, where would you support housing on major corridors, or would you support on major on neighborhood streets?

1331
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,000
What percentage?

1332
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,000
We'll try to have it here.

1333
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,000
Right.

1334
01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:02,000
So it's the question was the state requires that each city adopt a housing element, a plan for housing and to select sites where housing can be built.

1335
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Options for site selection include first, a long major routes in the city, Steven Street Boulevard, Wolf Road, Homestead, etc.

1336
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:20,000
And so the responses, the answers that you could select from was a long major routes, a long smaller residential streets and closer to existing apartments within single family neighborhoods.

1337
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,000
Neighborhoods mixed opinions and do not know or not answering.

1338
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,000
So the responses were a long major routes was 36.2%.

1339
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:34,000
A long smaller residential streets and closer to existing apartments was 31.8%.

1340
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,000
And within single family neighborhoods was 11.6%.

1341
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,000
And the mixed opinions were 17%.

1342
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,000
And they do not know or will not answer as 8.6%.

1343
01:35:50,000 --> 01:36:03,000
And with those priorities in mind, with those criteria in mind, the housing element sites that were recommended were prioritized in this order, essentially the Oaks and the Valco shopping district.

1344
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:16,000
The top, the Oaks with the 35 dwelling unit per acre development density at 235 dwelling units, the Valco shopping district at 35 dwelling units per acre, but at a cap of 600 dwelling units.

1345
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:24,000
Hamptons which has 342 units existing at 65 dwelling units per acre, additional 344 dwelling units.

1346
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:34,000
United furniture plus other sites at 25 dwelling units per acre, which is their existing density at 103 dwelling units per, at 103 dwelling units.

1347
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:44,000
Very swenson, which is a small site which is of interest to affordable housing developers at 25 existing 25 dwelling units per acre at 11 dwelling units.

1348
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:57,000
And Glenbrook's which is an existing apartment complex and an existing housing element site with 517 existing units at 20 dwelling units per acre, which is the current density at 93 dwelling units additional.

1349
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:06,000
I would like to note that sites 45 and 6 are housing sites in the 2007 2014 housing element.

1350
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:15,000
But the United furniture and the Krembrook Foundation in the last four.

1351
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:21,000
They this time around, we did not get letters from them saying that they specifically wanted to develop.

1352
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:28,000
However, we send letters two sets of letters to every housing element site property owner.

1353
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:35,000
To let them know that they were being considered as a housing element site and to let us know if they had any objection.

1354
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:42,000
If they have no interest to build it, you add okay, it's not going to accomplish why not take it off on the list then.

1355
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,000
But it's something the city council can certainly look at main changes to that.

1356
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,000
I think she just said they sent them letters that they were being considered to let them know if they didn't want to be.

1357
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:56,000
So they may still want to be considered just didn't, you know, comment.

1358
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,000
In addition staff.

1359
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:03,000
We'll go back at that one. So the number at the bottom, the 1386.

1360
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:12,000
That number is there in the balanced plan, which is recommended because why is that there said the minimum we think is.

1361
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,000
That's the total that we end up with at all these densities.

1362
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,000
So why know that.

1363
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:24,000
So it's just arrived from all these recommendations, so we just totaled up the number.

1364
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,000
Can you talk to why it's not 1064.

1365
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Yes, okay.

1366
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,000
Thank you.

1367
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:38,000
So essentially, as in the previous slide, we saw that arena current arena is a balance of 1,000, 2 units.

1368
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:49,000
And in talking to our housing consultant who was consulted with the ACD and essentially they recommend that there be a surplus of a moderate surplus of units.

1369
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
In the housing element to accommodate changes.

1370
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:58,000
For example, in our current housing element, there were certain sites that did not develop with housing uses.

1371
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:03,000
And as a matter of course, the city should when it does approve.

1372
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,000
Developments other than housing developments on housing element sites.

1373
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:14,000
Make a finding of a no net loss in terms of housing units so that their housing element is whole.

1374
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,000
However, you translate that into English.

1375
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,000
Yes.

1376
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,000
I mean, really.

1377
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,000
So essentially.

1378
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,000
If we, so currently we have 13 housing elements in our site.

1379
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:36,000
And then all those 13 housing elements, there were two sites, two sites that were not developed with housing with housing.

1380
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:45,000
In essence, the city is out of compliance with their arena numbers because there was housing not approved on those currently identified housing elements.

1381
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,000
So if in this cycle, we only approved 1064 exactly.

1382
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,000
Correct.

1383
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,000
And we can expect that some of them wouldn't happen.

1384
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,000
Correct.

1385
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000
And we would.

1386
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:58,000
And ACD would basically say sorry, but you have to find some more sites.

1387
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,000
Exactly.

1388
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,000
Okay.

1389
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,000
And in order to avoid having to do that, we're essentially proposing that a moderate surplus be accomplished with

1390
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,000
it.

1391
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,000
Because we don't have time to go back and forth.

1392
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,000
And we don't want them to dictate to us what the final numbers look like.

1393
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,000
We're going to go in with the plan that they will.

1394
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,000
That we hope that they will buy.

1395
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:20,000
And we would have to go through a general plan amendment process if we do if we do.

1396
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,000
If we do.

1397
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:27,000
Approve other than a non-residential development on those housing elements sites to add a site.

1398
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:35,000
So our expert is suggesting that with 1064, we need to actually submit a plan of around 1386.

1399
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,000
About a year.

1400
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,000
In order to be satisfactory.

1401
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,000
Approximately 14.

1402
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,000
In terms of the total number.

1403
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,000
Correct.

1404
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000
Around 1400.

1405
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000
Okay.

1406
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,000
So that's really the answer to the question.

1407
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,000
I think yeah.

1408
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,000
Correct.

1409
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000
The honest answer.

1410
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000
Okay.

1411
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,000
How many were we required to have last time?

1412
01:40:53,000 --> 01:41:00,000
Last time we ended up with close to I think I have to.

1413
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,000
Question is how many were we required to have last time?

1414
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,000
Right.

1415
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,000
So it's a complicated answer now to try to answer it for you.

1416
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:10,000
We had 1170 units that we were required to provide.

1417
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:16,000
We were not allowed to take credit for a number of units that had already been approved.

1418
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,000
Because they didn't fall in the affordable category.

1419
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:24,000
And so we had to prove a few more sites in order to fall in the moderate category.

1420
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,000
They didn't fall under those because when you actually build the sites.

1421
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,000
20 units per acre is not enough.

1422
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:33,000
They actually have to be affordable.

1423
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,000
I don't know.

1424
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,000
Why couldn't we have counted them in the in the higher bucket?

1425
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,000
They did not let us count the moderate low and very low.

1426
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,000
Only the above moderate were allowed.

1427
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,000
Right.

1428
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,000
So we got to count them in that bucket.

1429
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,000
We got we got to count that bucket.

1430
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,000
So we had to provide probably.

1431
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,000
1170.

1432
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,000
And then how many do we submit?

1433
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,000
Probably.

1434
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,000
We submitted about probably close to 1,300.

1435
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:57,000
That is we the balance, which is about an additional 700.

1436
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:01,000
So we only submitted 130 more than was required.

1437
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,000
Right.

1438
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,000
And this time you're asking us to submit 400 more than is required.

1439
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,000
Yes.

1440
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,000
Thank you.

1441
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,000
Thank you.

1442
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
Thank you.

1443
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,000
Thank you.

1444
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,000
Thank you.

1445
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,000
Thank you.

1446
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,000
Thank you.

1447
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
Thank you.

1448
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Thank you.

1449
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,000
Thank you.

1450
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,000
Thank you.

1451
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,000
Thank you.

1452
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,000
Thank you.

1453
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:26,000
Our consultant tells us it's because last time around the known net loss law had not been passed.

1454
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,000
It has since we've since had no laws passed.

1455
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,000
What is the known net loss?

1456
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,000
The known net losses were few was explaining, which is if you end up approving

1457
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,000
Non-a housing element site.

1458
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:43,000
A development that is other than the amount of units you approved on the site.

1459
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:49,000
You have to make a finding that you have other sites where you can put that loss of housing.

1460
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,000
I see.

1461
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000
So there has been a new losses.

1462
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,000
So this time if a site gets developed otherwise.

1463
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,000
It's in the housing element.

1464
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:03,000
We have to update our housing element in our general plan or if we have a surplus.

1465
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,000
We don't have to update.

1466
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:06,000
Okay.

1467
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:13,000
So we worked on the surplus, but when we get close to the end of the cycle, we may be required to do take action.

1468
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,000
Or we get a so-called bonus in the following cycle.

1469
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,000
Again, we don't know.

1470
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:27,000
ACD is now recommending that cities accommodate additional a surplus in their housing element.

1471
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:33,000
So whatever the council ends up doing, we will try to have a conversation with the ACD.

1472
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,000
Right.

1473
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,000
Thank you.

1474
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:48,000
With that, staff is also recommending a consultation with the housing consultant that there be alternate housing element sites adopted by the council.

1475
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,000
So that in case ACD is not accepted.

1476
01:43:51,000 --> 01:44:00,000
It does not accept one of the recommended housing sites that staff has something to go back to and recommend sites off of this alternate list.

1477
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,000
And essentially, that's this table here.

1478
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:14,000
And I would like to update that site number nine is being recommended for removal because the property owner of that site has sent a letter to the city asking that their site not be placed.

1479
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:20,000
Or about 60% of the site number nine has asked not to be placed on the housing element sites list.

1480
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,000
And therefore staff is recommending that it not be placed here.

1481
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:28,000
And again, this site is across the street from the main street site.

1482
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,000
So across every street and street boulevard most of it.

1483
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:35,000
So just to give you an idea, it's at Finch and Steven's Creek.

1484
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,000
Correct.

1485
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:45,000
In addition, there were some sites that were prioritized as low and staff is recommending that those sites be removed and not be considered as for the housing element.

1486
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:57,000
And in addition to that site number 15 about 30, 40% of that site, the property owner for about 30, 40% of the site has sent the letter to say that they are not interested being placed in the housing element sites list.

1487
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,000
The key question here is the city.

1488
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,000
The council agree with the housing element sites list and the densities, and also whether you agree on the alternate sites list and the priority, so that when we have discussions with the ACD, we have a list to go off of.

1489
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:20,000
The planning commission makes it up a little bit, and they recommended different sites, they recommended at the top priority, the Oaks.

1490
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:28,000
They essentially recommended that 150-dwelling unit maximum be placed on the site, which results in approximately 19 units per acre for the site as a whole.

1491
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:36,000
For the Hamptons, the Hamptons has requested 748 dwelling units additional over and about what they have existing.

1492
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:41,000
And therefore, planning commission recommended that that be granted to them.

1493
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:45,000
They also recommended that the United Furniture, Berry Swenson, Lennbrooks.

1494
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,000
So, United Furniture and Berry Swenson be retained at the densities that they were studied at.

1495
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:54,000
For the Glenbrooks, the planning commission recommended 300 additional units.

1496
01:45:54,000 --> 01:46:06,000
However, the, in talking to the environmental consultant, it appears that we can only allocate approximately 228 units to Glenbrooks that would be maximum that could be allocated to the Glenbrooks.

1497
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:17,000
And they also added the summer winds and granite rock in the jack in the box site, which is just to, they moved it up from an alternate site into the recommended sites list at 25-dwelling, it's per acre.

1498
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:26,000
But they also did recommend for the Glenbrooks and the summer wind site an increase of building heights from 30 to 45 feet to accommodate that development.

1499
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:31,000
For a total about 1,400 units on their recommended list.

1500
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:44,000
For alternate sites, the planning commission recommended the villages be retained, which is a current housing element site at the, at the current allocation that they have, which is about 62-dwelling units.

1501
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:59,000
Marina Plaza at 35-dwelling units per acre to add 204-dwelling units and the callberg site, which is an office building site located off of Valley Green next to the villages at 25-dwelling units per acre.

1502
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:04,000
This is also a current existing housing element site.

1503
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:09,000
For a total of 435-dwelling units in their, on their alternate list.

1504
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:20,000
In addition, there were other amendments and made to the general plan basically updating the residential density from gross acres to calculating it on the acreage of the lot.

1505
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,000
Zoning map was updated to reflect the changes in the general plan conformance and I think RT has something to do.

1506
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:34,000
I just wanted to update that first thing in the past residential densities been calculated on the gross which includes a portion of the street.

1507
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:38,000
We're asked to change that and so that changes been made.

1508
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:48,000
So portions of the streets can no longer be included in the density and that the only the lot size, only the lot itself can be included in the density calculated.

1509
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:52,000
So this came up when we did the built more adjacency project again.

1510
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,000
Yes, and the council asked us to make the change with this a general plan up.

1511
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,000
Clean it up to make it more common sense for folks.

1512
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:03,000
In addition, the municipal code has been updated.

1513
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,000
It's been reorganized to lead better.

1514
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:12,000
The amendments made to reflect the changes required for the housing element and state law essentially in the minor cleanup items.

1515
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:18,000
And the heart of the city specific plan has been updated for the land use and the zoning map that is in the specific plan.

1516
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:26,000
And to address housing element in general toned conformance with regard to the changes in which the residential densities calculated for mixed use developments.

1517
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:32,000
And changes to the building plan line in the south of that query along Stephen Street Boulevard.

1518
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:38,000
In addition, there were a lot of requests from the public with regard to the outreach question.

1519
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,000
Do we actually include the heart of the city specific plan in the notice for this?

1520
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:49,000
Yes.

1521
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:55,000
There was several requests from the public about the kind of outreach that was done for the schools.

1522
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,000
We just wanted to respond to that. There were four meetings with school district officials.

1523
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:07,000
In addition, the school district's demographer and projections and analyst was used to prepare the school impact report for the.

1524
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:14,000
The school districts did get a chance to review the report and did provide input to which changes were made to the drug to the analysis.

1525
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:26,000
The projections indicated that for 4,421 units that in the CUSD and the if the free monitoring and high school district that about 1477 students could be added.

1526
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:34,000
If the over the 26 year period and in the Santa Clara unified school district that 56 students could be added.

1527
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:43,000
The current renacycle at about 1,400 units, 448 students could be added to both the CUSD and the free monitoring and high school district.

1528
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:49,000
And that the in the Santa Clara unified school district that 19 students would be added to that.

1529
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,000
And with that, I will invite our environmental consultants.

1530
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,000
I would like to talk to the yeah.

1531
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,000
You can go back to the last slide for a second.

1532
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,000
That was.

1533
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,000
What sites was that based on.

1534
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:12,000
So the 4421 units is based on the allocation and the 1,400 units were based on.

1535
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:17,000
The sites that were in the balance plan.

1536
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:24,000
No, sorry, the 1,400 units were actually an extrapolation of the 4421.

1537
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:33,000
It was assumed that most of this growth would happen in mixed use districts where the unit types would be smaller.

1538
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,000
So those numbers are not based on any of the right.

1539
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:42,000
They could be extrapolated to the 1,400 number for any site.

1540
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:50,000
The number is an average for the city right based on housing units put it about 25 to the acre.

1541
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,000
Right.

1542
01:50:51,000 --> 01:51:00,000
So in order to come up with not single family homes, but no, in order to come up with the incremental things we're talking about here where we're talking about someone higher density.

1543
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:06,000
And at 25 units the acre, they're smaller than the big single family homes, but.

1544
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,000
Right.

1545
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,000
This is the generation rate.

1546
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,000
And once again, the numbers came from.

1547
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:17,000
The school district, well, we told them the number of units that were in the general plan and what the density was.

1548
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,000
And what the density was and where the sites were, right, and we looked at.

1549
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:28,000
All the sites that was studied in the housing element, there was some over that in the 4421 number.

1550
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:36,000
But the school district has very detailed information on the student generation rate for all unit types.

1551
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:41,000
And so they did their the demographer and their projections person did the projections.

1552
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:49,000
Okay, and did we get any other input from them recommendations on where to place this or.

1553
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Things that would make it easier for them to accommodate what we have.

1554
01:51:53,000 --> 01:52:04,000
I think we talked about several things, which is how can the school accommodate this kind of growth and they said, well, we've got our existing sites we will have to go to a second story in order to do that.

1555
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:10,000
If you're the things that will have to be done and so that discussion actually is in the EIR.

1556
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:19,000
It talks a little bit about the kinds of improvements that have to be made and so we talked to the school districts and the people who are assigned by the school district.

1557
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,000
The facilities people.

1558
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,000
You know, it's a complicated discussion.

1559
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:33,000
It's a combination of how of programming as well as building in order to make sure that they move the kids and programs around to best meet their needs.

1560
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,000
So it's an uneasy discussion.

1561
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:41,000
The mind understanding is that school impact fees cover very little.

1562
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:45,000
The state mandated fees that we can charge.

1563
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:52,000
On development are mandated by the state and cover very little of the schools either capital or ongoing operating costs.

1564
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,000
Well, it depends.

1565
01:52:54,000 --> 01:53:01,000
In the case of basic aid sometimes it works out better because they get it based on the property tax and and they get property tax,

1566
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,000
whether it's office, commercial retail, right?

1567
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:14,000
And so if you have more of other uses in a in a city and fewer, you know, residential uses, they get a portion of the property tax for everything.

1568
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:17,000
So it all depends on the mix of development.

1569
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,000
In the case of free month union, it's a basic aid district.

1570
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:26,000
In the case of the school district, the Cupertino union school district.

1571
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,000
It's a question of the student generation rates.

1572
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:36,000
And if the state basically they're at the floor for the state and they get so much per student.

1573
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:40,000
So 10 more students means they get 10 more times, whatever that is.

1574
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:54,000
Operationally and then they charge an impact fee and then state law does not allow a city to deny housing developments based on school impacts if they pay an impact fee.

1575
01:53:54,000 --> 01:54:05,000
So there's a lot of things and so we've tried to try to meet the housing element in the way that we best could by putting them where they would create the least amount of student generation.

1576
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:06,000
Okay.

1577
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:15,000
But we also have the ability if we say heights are, I don't know, maximum height for construction is 45 feet.

1578
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,000
We can also talk about a community development program.

1579
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,000
Community benefit program.

1580
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Community benefit program which requires a development agreement and then we could do all kinds of things with.

1581
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,000
With the cash and loop fee.

1582
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,000
Yes.

1583
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:34,000
And then I guess it would depend on the school districts about how they could use that cash.

1584
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,000
Yes.

1585
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,000
Okay.

1586
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,000
So this table doesn't, I mean it doesn't hang, it only hangs together in an aggregate.

1587
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,000
It only hangs together in an aggregate.

1588
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:53,000
Because if you if you for example the planning commissions recommendation had over half of their units or roughly half of their over half of their units.

1589
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,000
And in a site that's Santa Clara school district.

1590
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:57,000
So so this.

1591
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:58,000
So this.

1592
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,000
The mix here that you show here is.

1593
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,000
So if you react to them.

1594
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:06,000
So if you went with the maximum that goes to the Santa Clara.

1595
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:11,000
Unified school district there would be 56 students that would be generated for Santa Clara.

1596
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,000
If you did what.

1597
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:23,000
If you if you use the maximum that was would be allocated to the particular site that is outside of the CUSD or the Fremont Union high school district.

1598
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,000
The maximum generation would be 56 students.

1599
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,000
I thought this was a balance plan.

1600
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,000
No.

1601
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
No.

1602
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,000
The 44 21 is the maximum that was said.

1603
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,000
So but the.

1604
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,000
But the.

1605
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,000
The 1,400.

1606
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,000
Yeah.

1607
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,000
Yeah.

1608
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:39,000
Exactly.

1609
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,000
100 is a total.

1610
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Right.

1611
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,000
That the planning commission.

1612
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,000
Recommended.

1613
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
Just to take it.

1614
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:46,000
Just.

1615
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,000
You know, I'm not saying.

1616
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:48,000
They recommend that.

1617
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,000
And if I remember right.

1618
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,000
If I look at the numbers half of that a little bit more than half of that 748 units.

1619
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,000
So I.

1620
01:55:55,000 --> 01:56:01,000
So if the 40 of the 44 21 and alternative C, which is the maximum development.

1621
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,000
It looks at a 820 units for.

1622
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:09,000
But if you start a system on the other side of the test.

1623
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,000
The number.

1624
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,000
If.

1625
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,000
Well.

1626
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:14,000
But you have the number number.

1627
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,000
And the number hang up and the number has are.

1628
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,000
So the number number has.

1629
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,000
Five.

1630
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:21,000
That.

1631
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:22,000
It is.

1632
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,000
You.

1633
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,000
And the numbers.

1634
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,000
In that school district generation is 56.

1635
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,000
And this is scale of.

1636
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,000
Well, you.

1637
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,000
So the number.

1638
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,000
So the number.

1639
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,000
You.

1640
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,000
We'd say how they get that.

1641
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,000
Yeah, you know what.

1642
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,000
Can you do that?

1643
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,000
Let me explain how they get it.

1644
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,000
Then we can put that in its proper perspective.

1645
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000
I should just go on.

1646
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:46,240
Well, you see the analysis based on the 4421 and of the 4421, that site would only generate

1647
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:50,680
56 out of 4421 or whatever, whatever that.

1648
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:55,160
And then they just scale everything down and the, all the other stuff that they scale

1649
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:57,160
down was non-amptons.

1650
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:00,000
But it's not, look, out of 1400.

1651
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,000
I think bogus would be the technical where I'd use on this slide.

1652
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,000
I'm trying to phrase that in a question.

1653
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,000
Can you please hold your pause.

1654
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,000
I really need you to hold your pause, please.

1655
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:12,000
I'm just really trying to, I'm really trying to understand the answer for the question.

1656
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:18,000
What do we expect the generation rate to be if at the Hampton's we did what the planning

1657
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:22,000
commission recommended or if you can't answer that question.

1658
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:26,000
Study that alternative C for the Hampton's was 820 units.

1659
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,000
Right.

1660
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,000
What was the generation rate to Santa Clara?

1661
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,000
We can get that number for you.

1662
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:37,000
All we can say is there was only one site that was studied in alternative C in Santa Clara school

1663
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,000
district at 820 units.

1664
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,000
And the maximum impact was 56 students.

1665
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,000
With 820 units.

1666
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,000
At 748, it would be about 52 students.

1667
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:53,000
Well, I just want to ask the generic question.

1668
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:58,000
Let's explain to the public on the relationship between the city and the school district.

1669
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,000
How does that work?

1670
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,000
We get some numbers.

1671
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:02,000
And then.

1672
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:03,000
Right.

1673
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,000
What's your mission work?

1674
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,000
So we found the school responsibility to provide the students.

1675
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,000
Or is it the fee?

1676
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,000
Well, let me explain a little bit about how student generation works.

1677
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,000
Right.

1678
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:16,000
We have in for the last over the last 10 years.

1679
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:19,000
We have collaborated with the school districts,

1680
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:21,000
we have a second, about five years and a second.

1681
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,000
There's a second.

1682
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,000
That's right.

1683
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:28,000
We have the second.

1684
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,000
What do you mean?

1685
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,000
We can also work on the second.

1686
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:34,000
We're not working on the wind and the wind and the wind and the wind.

1687
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,000
And I just want to share all these examples.

1688
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,000
And maybe I'll get that number.

1689
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,000
And if you start focusing on the fifth,

1690
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:43,000
and then I'll put my next call and then I'll move on to the first one.

1691
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:45,000
That's absolutely incredible.

1692
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:50,440
or the school district. It's the responsibility of the city to look at how many students are

1693
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:56,440
generated to look at the EIR impacts of that in terms of the environmental impacts.

1694
01:58:56,440 --> 01:59:00,360
And then once they get that number, it's the school district. Right. Then it's up to the school

1695
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:05,240
district, then to figure out how to design the facilities and to provide the facilities. Right.

1696
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:11,960
So, yeah. And in our rows that we can affect 18 is outside the schools like traffic and other

1697
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:16,920
things. Right. So, the city, the city's row is then to look at other issues and it's under the

1698
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,720
city's jurisdiction. Right. Traffic. How to look at right away. How to look at the improvements.

1699
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:31,400
That that's in the city's jurisdiction. So, for Cooper Tina unified school district and for the

1700
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:36,200
Fremont Union high school district, these numbers came from the school districts. How about for the

1701
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:41,240
Santa Clarion by the day come. They conferred with the Santa Clarion school district. The same

1702
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:46,040
demographers conferred with the Santa Clarion school districts and asked them, what should the

1703
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:52,120
student generation grades be based on this unit type. So, they go back and forth talking to the school

1704
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:58,680
districts to get that number. Is it the proposed site? There's only one site. There's only one

1705
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:00,680
site. The Hamptons. Right.

1706
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,000
Right? Is it that it would be built so densely that the expectation is it generates so little because it's sitting right next to Apple Campus 2?

1707
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,000
It's the density, and again, it's the school district that tells us.

1708
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:17,000
Smaller units, not so suitable for families, et cetera.

1709
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:18,000
Right. Right.

1710
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:29,000
And just so the public is clear, who is benefiting from Apple Campus 2, which school district in terms of

1711
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:37,000
both school impact fees, and substantial higher valuation of the property once projects completed.

1712
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:38,000
It's property tax.

1713
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,000
It's mostly on the north side of what is not from bridge.

1714
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:42,000
Yeah.

1715
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,000
And that is in the Santa Clara.

1716
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,000
Santa Clara School District.

1717
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:47,000
As is the Hampton's project.

1718
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,000
Right.

1719
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:53,000
Which is housing development, which is currently apartments between.

1720
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:56,000
Between the three way and the Apple Campus.

1721
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:59,000
Two eighty and we'll throw.

1722
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,000
Right. Right.

1723
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:01,000
Okay.

1724
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:04,000
There's one more question on this.

1725
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:07,000
One more follow-up with the jurors.

1726
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:14,000
The Hampton project is the property tax doesn't go to the school district.

1727
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:19,000
Because it's go to the Santa Clara, you know, unify school district.

1728
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:21,000
I have to understand.

1729
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:28,000
Even though the student is not coming to the CST, but the CST doesn't get the property tax for those units.

1730
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,000
Okay.

1731
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,000
Yeah.

1732
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:35,000
That development plus the the main Apple Campus to building the circular building.

1733
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:36,000
Right.

1734
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,000
It's all in Santa Clara unified.

1735
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:38,000
Right.

1736
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:43,000
They're the beneficiary of the property taxes, school impact fees, et cetera.

1737
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:44,000
Right.

1738
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:49,000
The decision man by the CST and the Santa Clara unified school district years ago.

1739
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:50,000
Okay.

1740
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,000
My question.

1741
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,000
So this one.

1742
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,000
It's a clarification.

1743
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,000
I think not.

1744
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:58,000
There's a very tiny portion that they go to CST freebound high school district.

1745
02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:59,000
But it's not one percent.

1746
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,000
I think it's like the ninety ten.

1747
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:01,000
It's clear.

1748
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:02,000
Right.

1749
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,000
It's our understanding.

1750
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:07,000
After I mean talked to the school districts that everybody in the Hampton's ghost

1751
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,000
Santa Clara for the Apple Campus.

1752
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:10,000
Oh for the.

1753
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,000
Yes.

1754
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:12,000
The question.

1755
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:17,000
That is within the probably the phase two along Tantel.

1756
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:18,000
Some of those.

1757
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,000
There will be impact fees from that.

1758
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,000
That will go towards.

1759
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:25,000
That will go towards the CUSD.

1760
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,000
Yes.

1761
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:30,000
So one last question on the.

1762
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,000
The 4421.

1763
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,000
Is that the.

1764
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,000
Alternative C number.

1765
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:40,000
That is the alternative C number and the sustainable community strategies.

1766
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,000
I'm in the.

1767
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:47,000
Yeah.

1768
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:50,000
It's not a projection for Guatino.

1769
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Right.

1770
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:52,000
Okay.

1771
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,000
So just a one 4421 of the.

1772
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,000
The 4421 800.

1773
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Was on the U.S. D. E.

1774
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,000
I'm sorry Santa Clara Hampton.

1775
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:07,000
On the Hampton Let's just call it the.

1776
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,000
Yes.

1777
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:12,280
thing, a quarter of it is not in the school of the district.

1778
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:16,160
Even on that number, forget about what happens when you go down in a 1,400.

1779
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:22,760
And yet the number here is, you know, 5% or something.

1780
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:25,720
Yeah, it's just, so, okay.

1781
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:26,720
Thank you.

1782
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:30,200
Senator Clara has different student-generation rates than cupatino?

1783
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:31,200
Clearly.

1784
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:32,200
Yes.

1785
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:34,200
Thank you.

1786
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:40,640
And the density proposed that I have to answer this way beyond anything else.

1787
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:41,640
Right.

1788
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:45,120
It's a combination of the student-generation rate as well as the type unit type.

1789
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:46,120
Yeah, okay.

1790
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:49,200
So, that really helps because it's like, you couldn't make it.

1791
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:50,200
Right.

1792
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:56,440
And again, to explain, we tried to put housing, trying to reduce the impacts of student

1793
02:03:56,440 --> 02:04:00,240
students on the school district.

1794
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:01,240
Sure.

1795
02:04:01,240 --> 02:04:02,240
Right.

1796
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:03,240
Yeah, okay.

1797
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:04,240
That all helps a lot.

1798
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:05,240
Thank you, much.

1799
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:08,240
American ask one more question.

1800
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:09,240
Party.

1801
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:14,480
I remember October 7th right on this podium here, the sub-indendant from a female

1802
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:18,200
union high school district, Polly, what we was here.

1803
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:25,000
And she was saying that they asked us to support the Bound Major to build 50 classroom to

1804
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:29,360
accommodate 18 students in the next few years.

1805
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:35,480
If that's a case, how can it be only 250 students here for the next 24 year?

1806
02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:38,760
I'm going to make any sense to be pleased with your pause.

1807
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:39,760
Please hold your pause.

1808
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:40,760
I really appreciate it.

1809
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:44,880
Again, I'm not having talked to the demographer.

1810
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:51,360
The majority of students come from turnover of existing homes when they get sold, right?

1811
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,440
And that's what the school district has told us.

1812
02:04:53,440 --> 02:05:00,660
In fact, in the last probably seven years until the Rose Bowl started getting built, we

1813
02:05:00,660 --> 02:05:05,800
had practically no housing units that knew housing units that were built in the city and yet

1814
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:09,200
the school districts had about a thousand additional kids.

1815
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:11,680
Most of those come from turnover of existing homes.

1816
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:17,880
And they look at areas where they expect turnover to happen and they project it based on, so

1817
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:23,040
their demographic projections are based on where's turnover going to happen, as well as

1818
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,640
where's the city going to build new projects.

1819
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:26,640
So the information.

1820
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:34,400
So my next question is, the city has any survey based on the project we have approved already

1821
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:39,440
in comparison of what they submitted the number and the actual number right now.

1822
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:49,640
For example, the one on the corner of the end on Stephen's street, the next to a separate hotel,

1823
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:54,320
I mean, can we find out a number, how many steering from the complex and then will they

1824
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:58,320
were proposed to be, what is the actual number?

1825
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,600
We can find out and I actually asked the demographer a question.

1826
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:08,320
I said, have you gone back and looked at housing developments based on what you had proposed was

1827
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:15,800
going to be generated versus, and they go, they said, you know, usually we find with newer developments

1828
02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:20,400
because they're more expensive, the smaller developments tend to have fewer students than

1829
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:26,680
the older apartments because they're less expensive and families feel like they can go there.

1830
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:33,000
So they're pretty confident with the numbers that they used because every year they go back and

1831
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:34,520
look at these numbers.

1832
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:39,680
We can certainly find out the difference between what was proposed and what ended up, but this

1833
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,520
was a general question that we asked.

1834
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:48,560
We said, where are the students being generated if these have lower student generation rates?

1835
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:53,960
And so they sort of explained to us where they're coming from, where the students are coming from.

1836
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:00,280
And this is not, we don't go back and look, it's them because they are the ones who work with the schools to

1837
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:03,720
figure out the school planning so they can plan their facilities.

1838
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:12,080
So based on this one here, 40421 units, you only generate 253 students.

1839
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:17,520
That means every 20 units only generate roughly about every 20 minute, 20 units generate one

1840
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:18,520
student.

1841
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:22,880
I mean, that's kind of way too low to me.

1842
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:29,560
I mean, we can give you the numbers that first student for a unit generation, they're pretty

1843
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:33,880
confident because they go back and look at this every year and make sure that their numbers

1844
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:34,880
comply.

1845
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,960
They go back and look at the different units.

1846
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,800
Can I make an observation?

1847
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:39,800
Okay.

1848
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:43,800
Whether we've been on a slide for like half an hour and it doesn't matter whether you believe

1849
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:45,800
the numbers are not, you have an HD requirement.

1850
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:46,800
Right.

1851
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:47,800
Okay.

1852
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:52,160
So when do we go ahead and bring our, is that's a good e-berry?

1853
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:55,920
So you think that we can see, don't ask any more questions to me?

1854
02:07:55,920 --> 02:08:01,720
No, I'm just pointing out that the public might be getting tired and that you guys want

1855
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:02,720
to continue.

1856
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,880
I understand the slide's bogus, but it doesn't affect the numbers later.

1857
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:08,880
So.

1858
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:12,240
So you will have that time during the public hearing.

1859
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:13,240
Okay.

1860
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:14,240
Yeah.

1861
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:15,240
At the public hearing, please.

1862
02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:16,240
You guys have been really good.

1863
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:17,240
I really appreciate.

1864
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:20,600
We do have the far Marshall can have been come in here, they'll also have a deputy of side

1865
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:21,960
who is assisting us tonight.

1866
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:25,600
So I really appreciate this dialogue here.

1867
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:26,600
Okay.

1868
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:27,600
Good evening.

1869
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:28,600
My name is Steve Nullack.

1870
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:33,480
I'm a principal with place works and we were the authors for the EIR and I'm going to

1871
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:37,840
go through a few slides and highlight the findings of the EIR tonight and also talk a little

1872
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:40,520
bit about the SQL process in general.

1873
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:46,680
So an overview of CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act is the state's primary

1874
02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:52,400
environmental protection law and CEQA requires that public agencies disclose environmental

1875
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:57,840
impacts that have the potential for physical effects on the environment as follows.

1876
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:04,800
Effects found not to be significant, significant impacts, ways to mitigate or avoid impacts, effects

1877
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:08,320
that cannot be mitigated and alternatives.

1878
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:12,720
And the general plan EIR goes through all that whole process.

1879
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:19,720
CEQA does not dictate project approval or denial and just the EIR, the draft EIR and the

1880
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:24,320
finally EIR for this project are available on the city's general plan website as this

1881
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,760
is a point of information.

1882
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:33,800
The EIR looked at the 2040 build out her horizon and in terms of a general plan it's a large

1883
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:41,600
scale, long range planning document and the EIR evaluates the impacts based on the horizon

1884
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:43,760
year of 2040.

1885
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:50,720
It analyzes growth that occurs between 2014 and 2040 or a 26-year build-out horizon and

1886
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:56,560
2040 is consistent with the plan bay area and the regional transportation plan, some community

1887
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,240
sustainable community strategy.

1888
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:05,760
So this EIR is a program EIR, it's a little bit different than a project level EIR, which have

1889
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,640
been before you many times.

1890
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:13,560
The program EIR addresses large scale long-term projects and composing a broad scope

1891
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:19,160
of physical development issues, such as general plans, specific or master plans and zoning

1892
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:20,160
ordinances.

1893
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:23,360
This EIR does not look at any specific project.

1894
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:28,400
This looks at the build-out impacts of adoption of this general plan.

1895
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:36,360
So Steve, what you've seen is each project come up later on, you've decided to build, then

1896
02:10:36,360 --> 02:10:39,400
they have to do a specific project EIR.

1897
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:42,160
Projects will need to go through a sequel review independently.

1898
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:43,160
That's correct.

1899
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:44,880
Okay, thank you.

1900
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:53,440
So it analyzes the full build-out scenario for this 27-year horizon and it allows project-level

1901
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,560
environmental review for future development.

1902
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:02,360
Some EIRs can tear off some of the information in this general plan if the project is consistent

1903
02:11:02,360 --> 02:11:04,240
and the information is accurate.

1904
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:09,360
But each project will need to go through its own individual sequel review.

1905
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:14,440
It's also really important to note here that in looking at the build-out horizon of this general

1906
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:19,520
plan, we're really looking at cumulative development within the city and also regional development

1907
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:21,200
as it affects the city.

1908
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:27,840
So in some areas, that's a pretty big number and we've looked at that in close detail in the

1909
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,240
EIR.

1910
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:36,200
We've looked at environmental impacts to the extent feasible were environmental impacts

1911
02:11:36,200 --> 02:11:37,200
are identified.

1912
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:44,560
Secret requires that they be avoided, minimized, rectified, reduced or eliminated or compensated.

1913
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,680
And sequel permits incorporation of mitigation measures designed to protect, preserve and enhance

1914
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:54,400
environmental resources, including goals, policies, and strategies.

1915
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:00,440
And as was discussed earlier, the general plan contains many goals, policies, and strategies

1916
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:06,920
that address potential environmental issues.

1917
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:14,360
A number of impacts, next slide, that the topics that are listed here were evaluated and no impacts

1918
02:12:14,360 --> 02:12:15,360
were found.

1919
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:20,880
And we can answer any question on these topics, but we're really going to focus on the impacts

1920
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:30,880
of the environmental topics where we found potential impacts and discussion mitigation measures.

1921
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:37,640
We found a number of significant impacts, both some that can be mitigated and some that are

1922
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:43,440
significant and unavoidable, and I'll go over those in more detail in one minute.

1923
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:50,560
So a very important component of this EIR is the review of the project alternatives.

1924
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:56,840
We looked at these alternatives in a very deep, tremendous amount of detail, pretty much equal

1925
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:58,640
to the project itself.

1926
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:04,760
So in this case, alternative C, which we've talked about today was the highest development alternative,

1927
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:07,480
was considered the project itself in the EIR.

1928
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:13,320
In addition, we looked at the no project alternative, which really looks at continuation of development

1929
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:17,080
under the current general plan, and then we also looked at the potential impacts of

1930
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,840
land use alternative A and land use alternative B.

1931
02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:26,360
Many of the impacts were found to be less insignificant or able to be reduced to less insignificant

1932
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:27,360
with mitigation.

1933
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:34,360
However, even with implementation of feasible mitigation and compliance with mandatory regulations,

1934
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:39,240
including the general plan policies, impacts to transportation, noise and air quality would

1935
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:43,000
be significant and unavoidable at the general plan level.

1936
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:47,880
The no project alternative would ultimately be the environmentally superior alternative,

1937
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:52,920
which is requirement of sequat, because it would not allow for new development to occur beyond

1938
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:58,840
what is currently planned for the 2020 general plan, and that would obviously result in the least

1939
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:04,000
amount of development in the city, and thereby reduce the consumption of renewable resources.

1940
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:09,520
It would also place fewer demands on the service providers, which require fewer road, sewer

1941
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:14,400
water and energy and infrastructure improvements, and generate less waste.

1942
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:21,120
In accordance with sequat, though, if the environmentally superior alternative is the no project,

1943
02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:27,120
the EIR shall also identify an environmentally superior alternative among the other alternatives.

1944
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:32,440
Accordingly, in this case, the next environmentally superior alternative would be land use alternative

1945
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:38,200
A, because less development would occur compared to both the proposed project and land use alternative

1946
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:46,280
B. So now I'm going to briefly go over the findings of the EIR, where we found potentially

1947
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:53,080
significant impacts. First one is biological resources, and the EIR found that development in land use

1948
02:14:53,080 --> 02:15:00,040
activities as a result of implementation of the project would occur in urbanized areas, where special status.

1949
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:20,000
Species are generally not expected to occur. The potential for occurrence of these species in developed areas is generally very remote and in comparison to undeveloped lands with natural habitat, that contain habitat characteristics for the range of species, known from the west, in the west, Gupertino vicinity.

1950
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:29,000
The mitigation measures really focus on ways to minimize the possible loss or abandonment of nests of birds protected under the federal migratory birds.

1951
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:40,000
Migratory bird treaty act and the California Department of Fish and Game Code, including natural resources, effects on birds and other protected animals.

1952
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:50,000
Nest of raptors and other birds shall be protected when active use as required by the federal migratory bird treaty act and the California Department of Fish and Game Code.

1953
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:54,000
So this was found to be less insignificant with mitigation.

1954
02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:05,000
In terms of hazards and hazards and materials, there are known hazards and hazards and materials within the city, and there are issues associated with ground disturbance and building demolition.

1955
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:20,000
So the implementation of a mitigation measure, which is outlined in the hazards chapter, would insure that sites with known hazardous materials have been cleaned up or contaminated before new development occur, the conclusion again is less insignificant with mitigation.

1956
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:41,000
In terms of utilities, utilities related to utilities, service providers, to the residents, visitors and employees of Gupertino are related to the available capacity of the service provider and the need to construct new or physically altered facilities in order to accommodate future development.

1957
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:57,000
The impacts are found to be less insignificant with the exception of sewer treatment capacity and solid waste disposal capacity, both which require mitigation to ensure that service providers have adequate capacity for future development in the city through 2040.

1958
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:08,000
Under sewer treatment, the city will work with sanitary district to increase the city wide treatment and transmission capacity and establish a tracking system as well as demand rates.

1959
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:24,000
The impact here really, reflect the types of buildings that is permitted in Gupertino and this really has to do with the transmission capabilities, not with the actual ability of the sewer treatment facility in San Jose to treat future wastewater.

1960
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:29,000
So with this mitigation measure, impacts will be less insignificant.

1961
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:41,000
In terms of solid waste, the impacts related to utilities, service providers are related to the available capacity of the service provider and the need to construct new or physically altered facilities.

1962
02:17:41,000 --> 02:18:03,000
And the city under solid waste shall continue its current recycling ordinances in zero waste policies in an effort to further increase the diversion rate and lower its per capita disposal rate and monitor solid waste generation in relation to capacities at the receiving landfill sites and to ensure their sufficient capacity exists to accommodate future growth.

1963
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:08,000
And with this mitigation measure in place, the impact was found to be less insignificant.

1964
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:18,000
Can I ask a question? Yes. So just out of curiosity, we're required to do the CIR and we're required to have a certain number of housing elements to get approved.

1965
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:27,000
If we have things that cannot be mitigated to significant impacts, we still have to do the same number of units.

1966
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:28,000
Correct?

1967
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,000
Yes.

1968
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:43,000
The CIR is a disclosure document. It's not there's nothing that requires, you know, a correlation with housing element or the general plan itself.

1969
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:51,000
So we have to do it, but even if there are significant impacts that we can't mitigate, we have to ignore them and do the housing units anyway.

1970
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:57,000
Well, actually, there's a nuance that maybe one of our attorneys can tell us, we have to identify mitigation measures.

1971
02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:04,000
Every feasible mitigation measure that can go as far as it can go before we can do a statement of overriding consideration.

1972
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:11,000
So you cannot say, you know, what we're not going to make and we're not going to have any mitigation.

1973
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:13,000
So we have to do it.

1974
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:19,000
We have to mitigate, we can't mitigate, we have to say we can't mitigate if we're doing it anyway and we have to end the housing units.

1975
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:20,000
Right.

1976
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:28,000
Well, but more exactly, we have to, we have to take it into consideration, we have to mitigate as far as we can.

1977
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,000
Right.

1978
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:34,000
And then if there's, there's effects that we can't mitigate, then we, yes, then we have to find overriding consideration.

1979
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:40,000
Right, and we can walk is for some of those, because in some cases, we are not black and white things.

1980
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:49,000
No, because we are identifying mitigations, but if they're not in the city's jurisdiction, for example, if it needs call trends or the county roads to approve them.

1981
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:50,000
Yeah.

1982
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,000
Then the city can't say that it's within our jurisdiction.

1983
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:58,000
So we still have to say it's significant unavoidable, even though they will be mitigated.

1984
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:12,000
So there are some technical, you know, technical, I would say, yeah, it texts in the document that maybe we can explain better.

1985
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:13,000
Okay.

1986
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:22,000
So the next one would be noise and the EAR found that under the long term conditions.

1987
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:23,000
Right.

1988
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:24,000
The noise levels.

1989
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:25,000
Sir, I think you skipped the last slide.

1990
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,000
Talked into the last slide.

1991
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:28,000
Did I miss one?

1992
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000
This solid waste stuff.

1993
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,000
Yeah, I just touched on that.

1994
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:33,000
Okay.

1995
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:34,000
All right.

1996
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,000
Very enough.

1997
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,000
Okay.

1998
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:42,000
So in terms of noise, the EAR found that roadway noise level would increase as a result of the project to,

1999
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:47,000
to significant and unavoidable impacts to ambient noise levels.

2000
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:56,000
This is exterior noise certainly with building design characteristics and mandatory noise standards.

2001
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:00,000
Interior noise levels are reduced to less and significant levels.

2002
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:06,000
And again, this has to do with a number of factors including regional traffic that travels through the community as well.

2003
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:11,000
So it's not all ascribed to future growth directly from this development.

2004
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:23,000
Similar to air quality noise mitigation measures by individual projects may be able to reduce this overall impact to less and significant level.

2005
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:25,000
In terms of air quality,

2006
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:29,000
the project is consistent with the primary goals of the plan bay area.

2007
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:37,000
And future development would be infill which is more energy efficient and incorporate sustainability sustainable building requirements.

2008
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:41,000
Air quality impacts would be significant and unavoidable at the general plan level.

2009
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:46,000
But again, maybe mitigated to less and significant on a project of my project basis.

2010
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:52,000
And I think it's important to note the greenhouse gas emissions both short term and long term are consistent.

2011
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:57,000
Found to be consistent with the statewide greenhouse gas reduction goals.

2012
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:06,000
In terms of traffic and transportation, the ER did find impacts that are significant and unavoidable.

2013
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:14,000
And these are for a number of reasons RT mentioned some of the impacts are outside of the city's jurisdiction.

2014
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:24,000
Also, some of the potential mitigation measures would really go against the idea of the complete streets notion that would affect the ability for multi model transportation.

2015
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:32,000
So you may be able to widen a street to actually accommodate the traffic, but you're really impacting pedestrian and bicycle travel.

2016
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:38,000
And so it was because of the balance they were found to be significant and unavoidable.

2017
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:42,000
And in some cases it would require the taking of right away as well for expansion.

2018
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:46,000
So I think we should mention this slide here on traffic level service.

2019
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:54,000
So even though some of it is our neighboring cities, even if we were to do nothing today and with all the new development that we have proved.

2020
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:59,000
All the retaining of of restaurant stores, etc.

2021
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:04,000
Among our major therapists, I have noticed, you know, or increase of traffic.

2022
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:06,000
A lot of people in this room.

2023
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:09,000
So just going to be already concerns on that.

2024
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:13,000
Other than in building double deck highways or double deck roads or major therapists.

2025
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:17,000
You know, how could we bring in more public transportation.

2026
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:21,000
How could we make sure that our pedestrians or cyclists are safe.

2027
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:27,000
I just can't see how we can have the growth and also provide a level surface of traffic.

2028
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:29,000
That's adequate for our committee.

2029
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:32,000
And now those are very important considerations.

2030
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:41,000
Looking at ways to get people out of their cars using public transportation using other forms of of transit.

2031
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:44,000
I just did that VTA is not really cooperating with us.

2032
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:50,000
We're trying to work our school district to get more buses and it is very, very expensive to do that.

2033
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:57,000
So where can we, how can we make it happen with very little funding and very little cooperation with our regional agencies?

2034
02:23:57,000 --> 02:24:01,000
Well I think that as the city continues to grow and as the region continues to grow.

2035
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:11,000
It's just a matter of working with VTA and as much as you can to, you know, facilitate that type of better service.

2036
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:26,000
It has to do with ridership and so bringing in higher densities near workplaces, encouraging shorter commutes and providing, you know, the incentive for VTA to provide better service to facilitate that.

2037
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:27,000
It is kind of a circle.

2038
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:33,000
But we're going through a brick wall. I mean, we're asking for, you know, buses go down north and south on Highway 5.

2039
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:41,000
We're asking for light rail and we're competing with the big 800 pound gorilla called San Jose and we're just very frustrated.

2040
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:48,000
So I don't see, I mean, all you think, all you think is correct, but we're not getting the help that we need.

2041
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:55,000
So I mean, is there something that we can say to the state to actually be to say that we're not getting assistance until we get assistance.

2042
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:58,000
We can't move forward.

2043
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:03,000
I don't, I mean, I am not a housing expert. I'm a SQL guy.

2044
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:05,000
So I really can't answer that.

2045
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:10,000
This from my experience to you, they should, they don't, we don't care about traffic.

2046
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:11,000
Okay.

2047
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:14,000
Order the care about schools really either.

2048
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:15,000
Okay.

2049
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:18,000
Now, who do they work for again?

2050
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:21,000
The governor.

2051
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:26,000
But who, who think a legend is working for for the people, right?

2052
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:30,000
Who is just reelected by a lot of the people.

2053
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:31,000
All right.

2054
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:39,000
So another question you, you've come up for us before and there's a lot of noise and pollution things that you say inside of a building.

2055
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:43,000
They can do things in a building to make that less noisy and say.

2056
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:48,000
But part of this whole plan is to encourage people to walk around the city and bicycle and things.

2057
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:53,000
How is that addressing the needs of the person on the bike?

2058
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,000
Well, it means that there will be a noise here environment.

2059
02:25:56,000 --> 02:26:05,000
I mean, as, you know, as in any city, you do have a heavy ambient noise on roadways due to traffic and other factors.

2060
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:13,000
And this is disclosing that that will occur over time as development increases.

2061
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:24,000
So in conclusion, I think it's really important to note that we did look at all of the alternatives at the same level of detail independent of the proposed project.

2062
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:31,000
And it sequer requires it a lead agency identify mitigation measures and alternatives in order to avoid or less an impacts.

2063
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:38,000
They don't always less an impacts enough to bring them below the significance thresholds, which are outlined in the SQL guidelines.

2064
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:43,000
The recommended mitigation measures in the EIR would apply to all the alternatives.

2065
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:51,000
And even with compliance with federal state and local regulations, including both existing and proposed general plan policies,

2066
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:54,000
designated to reduce environmental impacts.

2067
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:57,000
They would also apply to all the future development.

2068
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:07,000
What's really important here is to note that the significant and unavoidable impacts really were found to apply for all of the alternatives.

2069
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:13,000
So, including the no project, including existing growth under the existing general plan.

2070
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:20,000
And this has, again, a lot to do with cumulative development, which is factored in as required by SQL.

2071
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,000
Happy to answer any other questions.

2072
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:29,000
So just to be clear, they're found to be in all cases, even if we do nothing, but if we do more, they're all in all 30 cases, they're worse.

2073
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:35,000
They are worse, but still under the no project alternative, you still are looking at significant unavoidable impacts.

2074
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:56,000
So I'd just like to point out that under the SQL Law, we are required to have a 45 day public review period, which started for this draft for this EIR on June 18 included an August 1st of this year.

2075
02:27:56,000 --> 02:28:01,000
We got six comment letters from public agencies and 19 comment letters from members of the general public.

2076
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:04,000
Most comments did not pertain to the adequacy of the draft EIR.

2077
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:13,000
Since then, there have been a correction language that its implications made, but there were no substantial revisions made to the document, and that is all part of the final EIR.

2078
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:17,000
Late comments that were addressed. I have been addressed in late comments memo.

2079
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:22,000
These are this document addresses comments received through November 1st, 2014.

2080
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:27,000
And I would like to note that it did not raise any new and addressed issues.

2081
02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:33,000
Late comments that have since the date of the date comments memo, which is November 3rd, have been sent to the council and do not raise any new and address.

2082
02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:36,000
Any new and addressed issues either.

2083
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:50,000
With that, staff concludes this presentation and request that the city council review the key questions posed for your final adoption of reservations and ordinances.

2084
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:53,000
Does that conclude staff support?

2085
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:54,000
Yes.

2086
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:58,000
Okay, just want to make sure there is more slides on mine, so just want to make sure.

2087
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:06,000
With that, just the council has any questions for staff as if we didn't ask any questions that all during the two-hour presentation.

2088
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,000
No further questions for me?

2089
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:09,000
Thanks, near things.

2090
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:10,000
Yeah, I do.

2091
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:13,000
I wanted to talk a little bit more about Valco, so.

2092
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:14,000
Good question to me, right.

2093
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:16,000
Yeah, these are questions.

2094
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:27,000
So, can you tell us again what the retail consultant city hired told us about the feasibility of retail at Valco?

2095
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:37,000
He's available for questions, but we can summarize it by saying that.

2096
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:46,000
What the retail consultant said is, can we have him come if I hear you can hear from the expert.

2097
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:50,000
He's going to make his way to the party.

2098
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:54,000
Thank you very much, and if you can state your name, of course, I know who you are.

2099
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,000
The public and TV land.

2100
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,000
Just for the record, so we have about 200 people in this room.

2101
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,000
I want to say thank you for your cooperation.

2102
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,000
And we also have another hundred people at the City Hall annex as well, too. So I have not forget about the folks who are in the secondary building as well, too. Thank you for your patience, everyone.

2103
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:19,000
So I'm David Greensfeldor. I'm the retail consultant, and I was watching over in the lobby, so could you repeat the question, please?

2104
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:20,000
I heard my name and took off.

2105
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:22,000
Yeah, I appreciate it.

2106
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:29,000
I mean, we've, you've testified to the City Council before and prepared a report. Can you summarize that report for the benefit of everybody here?

2107
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:33,000
With regard to Valco. Yes.

2108
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:40,000
Well, what, what, what, what is our hope for keeping Valco as a complete as a retail center?

2109
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:47,000
A thriving retail center, the mall we had 30 years ago, or some fact suddenly they're of retail.

2110
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:48,000
All retail.

2111
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:54,000
Well, I think there are a number of questions there.

2112
02:30:54,000 --> 02:31:03,000
Can, could we have Valco remain as a, as a thriving retail center that we had 30 years ago?

2113
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:07,000
Could it be some facsimile there of, should it be something else?

2114
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:16,000
The conclusion that we came to in the retail report was that the Valco that we had 30 years ago is really not practical.

2115
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:41,000
The retail landscape here in this area has changed that the Valley Fair because of its location, and also because of the anchors and the ownership is going to make it very difficult for Valco to become a a

2116
02:31:42,000 --> 02:32:03,000
a thriving regional mall in the traditional sense, and that it probably needs to be reinvented with less retail and the question that we really that we really posed in the report was, is it possible to assemble all of the various ownership.

2117
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:11,000
Every one of those ownership, under the CC and ours for the project, has a, has a veto right effectively.

2118
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:17,000
Any of them can say, no, you can't change the common areas, you can't change certain things.

2119
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:28,000
AMC, which has a leasehold interest, has essentially the same veto right, and the question is, can one entity actually gain control of all of those.

2120
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:37,000
One entity could, then they'd unanimously be able to amend or dispose of the CC and ours and, and change the project.

2121
02:32:37,000 --> 02:32:50,000
Certainly, there ought to be a substantial retail presence there, but whether it should be a traditional retail center, I think the answer for practical purposes probably is no.

2122
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:53,000
Probably, can you, well, about that.

2123
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:56,000
The, the probably has to do with.

2124
02:32:56,000 --> 02:33:11,000
Or had to do with because as everybody, I'm sure is aware, there's in very recent developments with sand to a property company, reportedly gaining control of all of the anchors except for AMC, I believe.

2125
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:21,000
So the probably is, do those retail anchors stay because they effectively have no incentive not to.

2126
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:33,000
The, they're not having an incentive to change has to do with the fact that it's very inexpensive for them to stay there, and even if they're not doing particularly robust sales,

2127
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:43,000
they still could be operating profitably, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they're old, their capital expenditures have been written down, they own their property.

2128
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:57,000
You know, they're effectively the equivalent of somebody here in this room that has owned their house for 40 years completely paid off the mortgage and has a 40 year old property tax basis, it's pretty cheap to stay in that house.

2129
02:33:57,000 --> 02:34:04,000
So if somebody like Peter Powell has been able to gain control, then there could be change.

2130
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:21,000
If he hasn't been able to gain control, then any one of those tenants really has a little incentive to close down an operation that operates profitably until somebody's willing to buy them out for more than the net present value of their cash flows from operations.

2131
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:36,000
Are you aware of the Silicon Valley business journal article dated October 28th this year entitled developer buys anchor stars at Cupertino's Valcomal JC pennies and Sears to close.

2132
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:43,000
I talked about Sears closing in 2015 sometime and then JC penny maybe after March 2016.

2133
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:50,000
Yes, I refer to that article a moment ago, so I'm aware that that has happened again and I think the article.

2134
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:53,000
What's liable to happen when Sears closes there?

2135
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:54,000
I'm sorry.

2136
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:59,000
What happens when Sears closes there? What happens to the rest of the facility?

2137
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:03,000
Would somebody else likely move in?

2138
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:16,000
Well, I think it's anybody's guess what happens because it has, you know, what have to do with who who then own Sears, which is a sandwell property company, or at least perspectively sandwell property company.

2139
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:20,000
I think that they've bought that property for redevelopment purposes.

2140
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:25,000
So would it continue to be retail? It depends on what their plan would show.

2141
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:36,000
I mean, the Sears property is probably the best part of that overall land for retail development, at the corner of Wolfenstein Street.

2142
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,000
Because it transcends Stephen's Creek.

2143
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:39,000
Yeah, and Wolfenstein.

2144
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:41,000
It essentially has the corner.

2145
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:42,000
Yeah.

2146
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:44,000
So, you know, would that be retail?

2147
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:54,000
I would guess that that would be a spot that would be heavily considered for retail development, but I have not aware of any plans or at least have seen any plans that have been drawn.

2148
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:56,000
Okay.

2149
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:01,000
But you see every full retail component, right? Yes.

2150
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:14,000
And then, but the current, the current theory is about 0.2 mean square fee for the retail, but the proposed is 600,000 square fee.

2151
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:21,000
Do you see, how can that be? I mean, you reduce in half, how can you have a thriving retail?

2152
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:29,000
Well, I mean, first of all, 600,000 square feet of retail is a very substantial amount of retail.

2153
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:41,000
So, 600,000 square feet of retail is certainly not something that I would look at and say, oh, well, that's just a shadow of what would be a thriving retail environment.

2154
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:44,000
Santana Roe is smaller than that.

2155
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:45,000
On the retail.

2156
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:50,000
So, you understand, we have 1.2 mean and square fee retail space right now.

2157
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:56,000
Well, I understand that you nominally have 1.2 million square feet of retail space.

2158
02:36:56,000 --> 02:37:01,000
You certainly don't have 1.2 million occupied square feet of retail space.

2159
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:02,000
Yeah.

2160
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:03,000
Okay, exactly.

2161
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:06,000
Do you know what the revenue right now?

2162
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:09,000
The current revenue, we're receiving now?

2163
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:12,000
For Velco.

2164
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,000
In sales tax dollars?

2165
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,000
Yes.

2166
02:37:15,000 --> 02:37:16,000
For property tax dollars?

2167
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:18,000
A sales tax dollar, and then probably tax dollar.

2168
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:20,000
On the top of my head, I don't know.

2169
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,000
Can you get a few of us?

2170
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:25,000
I would look to staff to...

2171
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:26,000
Are you yet?

2172
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:31,000
We can get it.

2173
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:32,000
It's relatively small.

2174
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:36,000
I think it's about the same amount we get for target.

2175
02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:40,000
That big is, is only about the same as the target?

2176
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,000
It's because it's mostly vacant.

2177
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:44,000
It's about 50% of vacant.

2178
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:45,000
Okay.

2179
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:49,000
And just to clarify that, targets and newer developments.

2180
02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:54,000
So it's going to have a more current or more recent property tax basis.

2181
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:58,000
Secondly, target does fairly substantial sales,

2182
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:01,000
whereas the sales that come out of the sears, pennies,

2183
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:04,000
and Macy stores are relatively little.

2184
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:07,000
It wouldn't surprise me if target sales,

2185
02:38:07,000 --> 02:38:12,000
you know, are approaching the other sales combined.

2186
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:16,000
So from a sales tax generation perspective,

2187
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:21,000
it wouldn't, you know, what we're being told doesn't surprise me at all.

2188
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:22,000
Okay.

2189
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:26,000
So you've seen San Danaro, there's then 600 we'll...

2190
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:29,000
600 we'll feed retail space right now.

2191
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:33,000
No, I didn't say San Danaro was 600,000 square feet,

2192
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,000
but what I was saying was...

2193
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:39,000
I was saying 600, 600,000 square foot retail project

2194
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:42,000
could be a spectacular project.

2195
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:45,000
I mean, one thing that I think, you know,

2196
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:49,000
Council Member Chang, that's very important to keep in mind

2197
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:56,000
is that I think that even if you had a 400,000 square foot retail project

2198
02:38:57,000 --> 02:39:01,000
that was full and bustling and people were dying to get in

2199
02:39:01,000 --> 02:39:04,000
and people were complaining that there wasn't enough space,

2200
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:07,000
that's a problem of capacity constrained.

2201
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:09,000
And that to me is a problem of abundance.

2202
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:13,000
So if you're a worst problem is that you have 600,000 square feet

2203
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:15,000
of retail space, and it wasn't quite enough,

2204
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:18,000
that's so much better a problem than the problem

2205
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:20,000
that you presently have with Falco.

2206
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:23,000
But do we anticipate that will be a problem like

2207
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:25,000
don't we ask for more now?

2208
02:39:25,000 --> 02:39:28,000
Instead of 600,000 square feet,

2209
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,000
and we know it's going to run out of space,

2210
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:32,000
that doesn't make any sense to me, though.

2211
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:35,000
Well, perhaps I'm a spoke.

2212
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:37,000
I mean, I was speaking hypothetically

2213
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:40,000
about 600,000 square feet of occupied space,

2214
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,000
that if I was saying if it were full,

2215
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:44,000
not that it would be full.

2216
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:48,000
I think that a market study needs to be done

2217
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:52,000
to determine what sort of demand there is.

2218
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:55,000
And that is in part going to depend on the sort of project

2219
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:56,000
that would be built.

2220
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:59,000
If it were a project that were a lot,

2221
02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:02,000
you know, what we commonly call big box stores,

2222
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:05,000
so commodity retailers that are selling

2223
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:08,000
the best buys of the world,

2224
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:11,000
sports authority or dexporting goods,

2225
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:12,000
those sorts of stores,

2226
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:15,000
you could begin to populate 600,000 square feet

2227
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:18,000
fairly quickly because those stores are so large.

2228
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:22,000
I mean, a home depot would be 110,000 square feet.

2229
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:26,000
Whereas if you're going to do a more specialty environment,

2230
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:28,000
that is more about, you know,

2231
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:31,000
what I think we traditionally call lifestyle

2232
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:35,000
where places that people are spending their discretionary time

2233
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:37,000
and their discretionary income,

2234
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:40,000
those stores tend to be much smaller

2235
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,000
by way of comparison.

2236
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:44,000
And you might find yourself with a much smaller project.

2237
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:47,000
So part of it really depends on what's determined

2238
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:50,000
there to be demand for.

2239
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:52,000
Okay, so can I ask you the next question?

2240
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:53,000
Absolutely.

2241
02:40:53,000 --> 02:40:56,000
If this is thriving 600 square feet,

2242
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,000
600,000 square feet retail space,

2243
02:40:59,000 --> 02:41:02,000
how much revenue can be generated?

2244
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:03,000
Roughly.

2245
02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:05,000
You don't need to get it.

2246
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:07,000
Even on a per square foot basis?

2247
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:08,000
Right.

2248
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:09,000
I'll just roughly help.

2249
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:11,000
You know, again,

2250
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:14,000
I'm going to, I'm going to dodge

2251
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,000
giving you direct answer to that question.

2252
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:18,000
Sure.

2253
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:20,000
And what I'm going to say is that

2254
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:22,000
it would depend on the sort of retail.

2255
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:25,000
If you had a smaller project that had smaller

2256
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:27,000
stores, boutiques, restaurants,

2257
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:30,000
you might find a much higher per square foot number

2258
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:33,000
than if you were going to have a home depot

2259
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:35,000
or a Walmart, just, I mean,

2260
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:38,000
not, I'm not advocating that those would be the uses,

2261
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:40,000
but I'm using them as examples of proxies,

2262
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,000
if you will, for, you know,

2263
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:45,000
very large stores that on a per square foot basis,

2264
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:48,000
probably would not generate the same sort of income.

2265
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:51,000
Well, can you give me some wallpaper for you?

2266
02:41:51,000 --> 02:41:54,000
Your answer doesn't mean nothing to me.

2267
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,000
I mean, no figure.

2268
02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:57,000
Okay.

2269
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:58,000
I need some kind of, I'm,

2270
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:00,000
engineers, I need some kind of figure.

2271
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:01,000
I can figure out,

2272
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:04,000
which is worthwhile to push that way or to push this way.

2273
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,000
I,

2274
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:07,000
are the scope,

2275
02:42:07,000 --> 02:42:09,000
the scope of work that we did,

2276
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:11,000
did not include coming up with

2277
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:13,000
potential sales volumes for different

2278
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:15,000
developments in areas.

2279
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:16,000
So, I'm sorry,

2280
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:18,000
but I don't think that I could give you some numbers

2281
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:20,000
that I, I feel comfortable,

2282
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:21,000
I could stand behind.

2283
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:22,000
Okay.

2284
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:26,000
So, I wanted to go back to the question asked earlier,

2285
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:27,000
if,

2286
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:31,000
for whatever reason the developer decides that San Hill,

2287
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:33,000
or whoever buys the property from San Hill

2288
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:36,000
or whatever, whoever is able to aggregate this,

2289
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:41,000
if they decide because of what actions we take,

2290
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:45,000
that they're not going to go ahead with a redevelopment.

2291
02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:48,000
How feasible do you think it would be for,

2292
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:52,000
when Sears closes for another anchor to move in,

2293
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:56,000
to the place that Sears will leave?

2294
02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:59,000
I think it's entirely feasible for another anchor to move in.

2295
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:01,000
The question is,

2296
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:06,000
what would the anchor be?

2297
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08,000
So,

2298
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:13,000
one of the things that we did study was where Cooper Tina sits

2299
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:15,000
in the larger retail environment.

2300
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:16,000
So,

2301
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:17,000
you have,

2302
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:20,000
you have Valley Fair on the one hand,

2303
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:25,000
which has Macy's Nordstrom,

2304
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:27,000
what have you on the other hand,

2305
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:28,000
you've got,

2306
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:30,000
you have Stanford Shopping Center,

2307
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:34,000
Nordstrom, Blooming Dales, Blooming Dales,

2308
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:37,000
and Neiman Marcus are both,

2309
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:38,000
you know,

2310
02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:41,000
have both and continue to talk with Westfield

2311
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:44,000
about expansion and Valley Fair.

2312
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:46,000
I think you can cross along.

2313
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:47,000
Valley Fair,

2314
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:48,000
Valley Fair.

2315
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:49,000
So, Blooming Dales,

2316
02:43:49,000 --> 02:43:52,000
what would a Blooming Dales,

2317
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:56,000
or some real attractive retailer,

2318
02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:00,000
want were they to be attracted to move to Valco?

2319
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:01,000
Would they,

2320
02:44:01,000 --> 02:44:04,000
would they move into the space currently occupied by Sears as it is,

2321
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,000
or would they have other demands?

2322
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:09,000
I would think that if they moved into the space that Sears,

2323
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:10,000
presently,

2324
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:14,000
I'm surprised that you wouldn't recognize it as you know it today,

2325
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:16,000
that it would be,

2326
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:19,000
it would be effectively remodeled to the point of,

2327
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:21,000
of non-recognition.

2328
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:23,000
I don't know if it would be expanded enough,

2329
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:25,000
but I don't think you're going to get that sort of use here.

2330
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:28,000
I think that effectively you're in the middle.

2331
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:31,000
Because the area is already covered by those retailers,

2332
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:33,000
that they're going to look at,

2333
02:44:33,000 --> 02:44:36,000
they're going to look at their sales patterns,

2334
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:38,000
and look at their customer base,

2335
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:41,000
and they're going to find that there's no reason to open a store

2336
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:44,000
in Cupertino when they already have,

2337
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:45,000
you know,

2338
02:44:45,000 --> 02:44:47,000
Winchester and Steven's Creek covered on the one end

2339
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:49,000
and Stanford covered on the other.

2340
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:50,000
They are,

2341
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:51,000
if they do want to open,

2342
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:53,000
if they're not currently in Valley Fair,

2343
02:44:53,000 --> 02:44:55,000
that's probably the preferred location,

2344
02:44:55,000 --> 02:44:57,000
because it's being so successful,

2345
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:58,000
or,

2346
02:44:58,000 --> 02:45:00,000
I'll be out here.

2347
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:13,000
Let's say that I have a location that stands for mall. And I'm considering something down this direction.

2348
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:27,000
If it could be attractive to open up, even if the rent is rather small, could it be attractive to open up in either the sears location, or the JVC pennies location, or

2349
02:45:27,000 --> 02:45:38,000
would the calculation rather be, hey, we need to be where the, we need to be at the more successful mall, even if it costs us more, that is Valley Fair.

2350
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:40,000
More successful, even at a higher price.

2351
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:46,000
Yeah. Yeah. I see. So the answer is, they would elect to go to Valley Fair.

2352
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:53,000
Yeah. It just has, it just has situational attributes in the trade area that are superior to Valko's.

2353
02:45:53,000 --> 02:46:01,000
And it has, it has proven sales that are superior to Valko's, and it has codependency that's superior to Valko's.

2354
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:04,000
So what does somebody write? What is codependency?

2355
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:11,000
Retailors, retailers aggregating together. So codizally would be, it's a Valko synergy.

2356
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:15,000
Exactly. The fact that they, they're already, there's already a lot of traffic.

2357
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:19,000
It's a destination. People go there for two or three or four stores and so forth.

2358
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:27,000
I mean, for God's sake, if you're going to Valko, your codependency is hot dog on a stick, Victoria's secret, and AMC.

2359
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:31,000
So can I ask a question? So 30 years ago, Valko was the place everybody wanted to be.

2360
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:33,000
How did Valley Fair get all the people we from Valko?

2361
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:36,000
Well, it's in a better location.

2362
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:39,000
I mean, just fundamentally, it's in a better location.

2363
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:41,000
It's at the intersection of two major freeways.

2364
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:44,000
It's at the intersection of Steven's Creek and Winchester.

2365
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:52,000
So in terms of location in the trade area, it's much higher traffic and much easier for more people to get to.

2366
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:54,000
And they also invested.

2367
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:57,000
You know, Valko has been, nobody's invested in Valko.

2368
02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:01,000
Oh, no, I don't have to feel bottom and overhauled them what 25 years ago.

2369
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:05,000
Right. I'm just noting that they were able to move people from Valko to there.

2370
02:47:05,000 --> 02:47:07,000
I don't think they moved people from Valko there.

2371
02:47:07,000 --> 02:47:09,000
I think they got new people.

2372
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:11,000
And there's always, they got new people.

2373
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:13,000
They got new people.

2374
02:47:13,000 --> 02:47:15,000
And there's always, they got new people in a way.

2375
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:16,000
Nordstrom's went there.

2376
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:19,000
But there's new clothing stores and trendy things coming out of the time.

2377
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:21,000
That may not have room at Valley Fairview.

2378
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,000
How many go back to Councilor Chang's question?

2379
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:29,000
I did think you said there's less than 600,000 square feet of retail at Santana Roe.

2380
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:31,000
So is that true or not true?

2381
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:34,000
You know, I could go look at the report and tell you exactly how many.

2382
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:38,000
But it's not, it's not particularly large.

2383
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:42,000
Do you know, as you know, if you have a regional moximate gap.

2384
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:43,000
Yeah.

2385
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:45,000
I recall, it's slightly over 600,000.

2386
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:47,000
I'm going to say 639,000.

2387
02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:48,000
Okay.

2388
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:49,000
And doing a big Valley Fairviews?

2389
02:47:49,000 --> 02:47:50,000
1.2 million.

2390
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:52,000
I was going to say 1.3.

2391
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:54,000
So it's about the same size as Valko.

2392
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:57,000
According to the data I have here.

2393
02:47:57,000 --> 02:48:02,000
It's 40 Santana Roe is 42.5 acres.

2394
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:11,000
It has 788,000 square feet of retail entertainment and entertainment and food and beverage.

2395
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:13,000
That's some, right?

2396
02:48:13,000 --> 02:48:15,000
I'm sorry, Santana Roe.

2397
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:18,000
Santana Roe is 42.5 acres.

2398
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:20,000
So it's somewhat smaller than the Valko parcel.

2399
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:26,000
It has 788,000 square feet of retail entertainment and food and beverage.

2400
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:31,000
I think that the 788,000 also includes some non-retail uses.

2401
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:37,000
So that does sound about right when you adjust for the non-retail uses that are part of that number.

2402
02:48:37,000 --> 02:48:38,000
Okay.

2403
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:39,000
Okay.

2404
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:40,000
The answer to your question.

2405
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:46,000
So the top 15 US retail is which includes Apple, Tiffany and whatever.

2406
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:52,000
So some of those are like $3,000 to $4,000 square foot.

2407
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:57,000
But when you get down at number 15 it's a thousand and then it'd be go below that.

2408
02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:03,000
So like a mostly jewelry store but like a coach's 1500.

2409
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:06,000
So high end stores can generate quite a bit.

2410
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:10,000
I mean a thousand dollars of square foot is a huge number.

2411
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:13,000
Well it's just reading what the number.

2412
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:18,000
So your number 15 is something where they're still hitting it out of the dark.

2413
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,000
So cut that in half and say 500.

2414
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:26,000
I mean just to give you a data point which I think is kind of interesting to this conversation

2415
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:28,000
and also Cupertino.

2416
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:36,000
I've been told the Blooming Dales in San Francisco is approximately $100 million a year store.

2417
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:39,000
$100 million a year in sales.

2418
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:46,000
The Apple store that's across the street does about $110 million a year in sales.

2419
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:48,000
But it's tiny.

2420
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:49,000
Right.

2421
02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:52,000
No Apple was the highest per square foot on the list.

2422
02:49:53,000 --> 02:50:01,000
So what are you saying is about pretty much doing that?

2423
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:11,000
I think that that is I think that's absolutely true in its present incarnation.

2424
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:21,000
I think that reinvented differently with a different set of tenants and a different configuration as a smaller project.

2425
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:24,000
It could be quite successful.

2426
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:25,000
Okay.

2427
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:27,000
Thank you.

2428
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:29,000
Any other additional questions?

2429
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:32,000
Thank you very much Mr. Randall.

2430
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:35,000
Any other questions for staff?

2431
02:50:35,000 --> 02:50:37,000
Yes.

2432
02:50:37,000 --> 02:50:39,000
Okay.

2433
02:50:39,000 --> 02:50:40,000
Number one.

2434
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,000
Can we ask this?

2435
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:46,000
Can we ask school districts to send a representative to this meeting?

2436
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:52,000
Can you please call your class?

2437
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:53,000
I really need to.

2438
02:50:53,000 --> 02:50:54,000
Please call your class.

2439
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:55,000
Thank you.

2440
02:50:55,000 --> 02:50:57,000
I believe that was a request.

2441
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:03,000
I maybe somebody from the audience can I'm not sure if the representative is here.

2442
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:12,000
Do we have any school districts from CUSD or free Mahaskos district representative here?

2443
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:14,000
I don't see.

2444
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:15,000
Okay.

2445
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:16,000
Okay.

2446
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:19,000
You want to comment about the number of the students?

2447
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:21,000
Okay.

2448
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:22,000
Okay.

2449
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:24,000
You want to comment about the number of the students?

2450
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:25,000
Okay.

2451
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:29,000
The first thing is to comment on if you just don't choose to decide to come up.

2452
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:31,000
So it's really up to you, sir.

2453
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:33,000
If you would like to come up.

2454
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:36,000
Because I can't have a conversation.

2455
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:39,000
Because this is a public hearing.

2456
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:41,000
So this gentleman is from the group.

2457
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:44,000
So this gentleman is from the group.

2458
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:45,000
He is good district.

2459
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:46,000
I don't see anybody.

2460
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:49,000
Is anybody here from the free Mahaskos district?

2461
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,000
Okay.

2462
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:51,000
So the group.

2463
02:51:51,000 --> 02:51:53,000
He is good district represents key through eight.

2464
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:54,000
Yes.

2465
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:55,000
Good evening.

2466
02:51:55,000 --> 02:51:57,000
I'm Christian on the chief business officer.

2467
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:58,000
So.

2468
02:51:58,000 --> 02:51:59,000
Council.

2469
02:51:59,000 --> 02:52:01,000
Question again was around the student generation.

2470
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:02,000
Right.

2471
02:52:02,000 --> 02:52:03,000
The number.

2472
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:04,000
No.

2473
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:06,000
As you were debating that, I was thinking about this.

2474
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:10,000
Because prior to coming to the meeting, I had read the impact report.

2475
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:11,000
Right.

2476
02:52:11,000 --> 02:52:13,000
That the demographer and our specials had put together.

2477
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:18,000
If I recall right from the report, I think the projection that staff is using is based on

2478
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:22,000
they had made an assumption based on what they had projected for like a tenure period

2479
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:23,000
time.

2480
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:28,000
So I think what's up there doesn't really reflect the entire period until 2040.

2481
02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:34,000
So I think the amount that would be generated is much greater when you take into account fully

2482
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:37,000
implementing by the year 2040.

2483
02:52:38,000 --> 02:52:41,000
Again, I'm going to ask you to please stop the following.

2484
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:42,000
Okay.

2485
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:43,000
I do have a deputy outside.

2486
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:46,000
If I hear it one more time, then I'm going to ask the deputy step inside and then

2487
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:49,000
to find the folks who are clapping and ask you to step out.

2488
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:52,000
So I probably asked to go back and look at the report.

2489
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:54,000
Because I just read a navy about two hours ago.

2490
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:55,000
Okay.

2491
02:52:55,000 --> 02:53:00,000
And that is what I believe I think the assumption was that the demographer was based upon what

2492
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:03,000
it might look like in a tenure period of time.

2493
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:06,000
So that I think the district could plan because we would not.

2494
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:10,000
We would not necessarily assume that that all of the students would be generated or

2495
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:14,000
obviously over a shorter period of time, but over the entire span.

2496
02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:15,000
Well, I mean.

2497
02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:16,000
Oh, go ahead.

2498
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:20,000
I'm just kind of figure out when the number is generated.

2499
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:21,000
I'm assuming.

2500
02:53:21,000 --> 02:53:22,000
Okay.

2501
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:26,000
While it can fluctuate right that it has to arrive at some steady state value.

2502
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:27,000
That is.

2503
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:28,000
Okay.

2504
02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:32,000
All of a sudden new housing is created that generate students.

2505
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:41,000
And over time that flats out to some increased average incremental student count.

2506
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:42,000
Right.

2507
02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:45,000
And yes, it's going to go down and up with time.

2508
02:53:45,000 --> 02:53:51,000
But I'm hoping and I'm expecting that what the those numbers represent is that average rather than,

2509
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:53,000
you know, fluctuation.

2510
02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:54,000
I would believe so.

2511
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:57,000
I would think it would give you a kind of rough average over time.

2512
02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:58,000
Yes.

2513
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:01,000
Right.

2514
02:54:01,000 --> 02:54:02,000
Okay.

2515
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:03,000
So Chris.

2516
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:05,000
Based on the slide.

2517
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:17,000
I saw the middle school steering for 4042421 unit in 24 year, which generate 253 students for the middle school.

2518
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:19,000
And then that's 24 years.

2519
02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:22,000
So that means every year it generates about 11.

2520
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:23,000
11 students.

2521
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:28,000
No, as I was saying, I think I think the amount that shows up on the screens of you,

2522
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:30,000
maybe bring that back up.

2523
02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:33,000
I think it represents only like a change during that time.

2524
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:34,000
Do you?

2525
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:35,000
Can you bring up the.

2526
02:54:35,000 --> 02:54:37,000
What is that?

2527
02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:39,000
That's why I'm confused by your statement.

2528
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:40,000
Yes.

2529
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:42,000
The student number of students.

2530
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:43,000
Please.

2531
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:44,000
Yeah.

2532
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:45,000
Please bring it up.

2533
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:49,000
And Chris, thank you very much.

2534
02:54:49,000 --> 02:54:52,000
And thank you very much for taking this big podium.

2535
02:54:53,000 --> 02:55:04,000
So why they're working on it can ask the question.

2536
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:05,000
Yes.

2537
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:06,000
The attorney.

2538
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:08,000
And the city manager.

2539
02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:12,000
Can we ask for community benefit for no.

2540
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,000
No.

2541
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:14,000
No, project.

2542
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:15,000
No.

2543
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:16,000
I'll say.

2544
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:18,000
Can we ask for the community benefit?

2545
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:20,000
I'm for.

2546
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:22,000
No, no, no project.

2547
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:23,000
No, attorney.

2548
02:55:23,000 --> 02:55:24,000
Oh, it's not.

2549
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:26,000
It's not part of the no project alternative.

2550
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:29,000
It's only part of the project alternatives.

2551
02:55:29,000 --> 02:55:30,000
One of them.

2552
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:31,000
So you we see.

2553
02:55:31,000 --> 02:55:33,000
Alternatively, we can ask for the.

2554
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:36,000
We can ask for the community benefit.

2555
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:38,000
For alternative A right.

2556
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:39,000
I believe so.

2557
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:40,000
Okay.

2558
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:41,000
A and B and C.

2559
02:55:41,000 --> 02:55:43,000
We can ask for the community benefit.

2560
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:44,000
Okay.

2561
02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:54,000
The just one clarification.

2562
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:57,000
The just one clarification.

2563
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:04,000
Council member central mentioned about the staff was voting on the workshop.

2564
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:07,000
I attend one of the workshop.

2565
02:56:07,000 --> 02:56:09,000
But my table.

2566
02:56:09,000 --> 02:56:11,000
Me and Pew, we did not.

2567
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:12,000
We did not.

2568
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:14,000
Okay.

2569
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:18,000
So I can see the staff did not vote on the workshop table.

2570
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:21,000
As far as I can see from my table.

2571
02:56:21,000 --> 02:56:25,000
So just just did that you know.

2572
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:27,000
Any other questions?

2573
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:29,000
No, I'm waiting for them to come back.

2574
02:56:29,000 --> 02:56:30,000
One question.

2575
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:32,000
Our T told me that.

2576
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:38,000
Only B and C are community benefits available because under alternative.

2577
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:48,000
They are no increase in heights and the community benefits are only for increase in heights.

2578
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:51,000
But we approved the higher height.

2579
02:56:51,000 --> 02:56:52,000
Okay.

2580
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:53,000
I.

2581
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:54,000
No.

2582
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:57,000
Total building.

2583
02:56:57,000 --> 02:57:01,000
Then we can ask for the community benefit.

2584
02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:07,000
No, because it's it's an exchange for additional development capacity.

2585
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:17,000
If I understand correctly to the question I asked earlier, if we said, it's 45 feet all over the city.

2586
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:19,000
First developers that wanted to do more.

2587
02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:23,000
We could enter into a development agreement to provide community benefits.

2588
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:28,000
And that money, for example, could go to the schools or to community shadows or lots of other things.

2589
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:29,000
Yeah.

2590
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:31,000
The question was alternative a the lowest.

2591
02:57:31,000 --> 02:57:34,000
Doesn't have any heights above 45 feet at all.

2592
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:37,000
Well, it has 60 with retail in places, right?

2593
02:57:37,000 --> 02:57:38,000
Just just about.

2594
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:40,000
Just in about.

2595
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:42,000
Okay.

2596
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:43,000
Okay.

2597
02:57:43,000 --> 02:57:44,000
Okay.

2598
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:50,000
Maybe I just will take one minute and explain the community benefit for the viewing audience a little bit.

2599
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:59,000
Because what happened is that we are absolutely restricted under the general plan from having additional private development money.

2600
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:11,000
So so staff very creatively came up with an idea in with some consultants and assistants have a carefully tailored way of having some additional what they call community benefits.

2601
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:17,000
And there's nothing magical about kind of just made it up because what happened is we're setting the standards for height.

2602
02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:24,000
But if somebody wants to exceed the height under our general plan then we can enter into a private development with them.

2603
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:32,000
And so under the private agreement we can ask for things that we couldn't require under state law.

2604
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:35,000
They could say yes, they could say no, they'd propose it.

2605
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:40,000
So it's a private development deal that we can work on afterwards.

2606
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,000
We can't make it part of this discussion.

2607
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:47,000
All we can provide is an opportunity that if they want more, they can pay for more.

2608
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:53,000
In other words, the details of what would be in that plan aren't appropriate for discussion.

2609
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:54,000
The evening.

2610
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:55,000
Correct.

2611
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:59,000
But once we set a height or we set some bounds on things.

2612
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:09,000
If if subsequently we get proposals in that go above that that somehow want to expand the envelope in some way.

2613
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:18,000
As long as they don't exceed the EIR or I guess that could be separate secret we're required for these projects anyway.

2614
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:26,000
We could but without secret review whatever the upper limit that you adopt in general plan which would be done by the secret review.

2615
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,000
Right.

2616
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:31,000
So we generally do not expect having to do additional secret review.

2617
02:59:31,000 --> 02:59:36,000
We expect it would be a private to private.

2618
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:39,000
Extrinsic additional negotiation.

2619
02:59:39,000 --> 02:59:47,000
In other words, if a project falls within the sequence envelope that we've approved as part of this process.

2620
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:57,000
We would have to see what the level of review is.

2621
02:59:57,000 --> 02:59:59,000
It all depends on the project type.

2622
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,000
It's hard for us to say whether it's a supplemental to the EIR, it can be a negative day.

2623
03:00:05,000 --> 03:00:10,000
It depends on whether it's a complete falls within the envelope of the EIR.

2624
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:16,000
Right, and the time frame, because once you get beyond a certain time frame of the EIR, it's a sale.

2625
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:18,000
You have to update it.

2626
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:19,000
Right.

2627
03:00:19,000 --> 03:00:20,000
Okay, thanks.

2628
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:22,000
One more question.

2629
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:29,000
The service showed not that the demand for the office space is 3.6 million square feet within

2630
03:00:29,000 --> 03:00:32,000
within how long.

2631
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:35,000
We looked at through the 2040 period.

2632
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:36,000
2040 people.

2633
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:40,000
Does it include in Apple's campus 2.2.6 million?

2634
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:41,000
No, it does not include that.

2635
03:00:41,000 --> 03:00:42,000
Okay.

2636
03:00:42,000 --> 03:00:50,000
So after 2.6 million square feet from Apple, we still have a demand of 3.6 million square feet for the office space.

2637
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:55,000
Not including what Apple's campus, this is what's in the general plan.

2638
03:00:55,000 --> 03:00:56,000
Right?

2639
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:57,000
That's what we're talking about.

2640
03:00:57,000 --> 03:01:06,000
So this general plan, and the 3.6, we're not going to mix up with the, what we deserve for the large corporation, like Apple.

2641
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:14,000
For the, no, it basically said a maximum of 3.6 through these years, and that could include the 500,000.

2642
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:16,000
Could include the 500,000.

2643
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,000
Okay.

2644
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:19,000
We don't have to do 3.6, that's just.

2645
03:01:19,000 --> 03:01:23,000
It's just a market study to say how realistic are these numbers?

2646
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:26,000
So the campus is not bounded by any of these numbers.

2647
03:01:27,000 --> 03:01:28,000
Okay.

2648
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:29,000
Thank you.

2649
03:01:29,000 --> 03:01:30,000
Thank you very much.

2650
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:33,000
So let me explain the process when I'm going to do next for the public hearing.

2651
03:01:33,000 --> 03:01:38,000
So I have about 200 people here, and I have 100 people in city hall.

2652
03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:46,000
I'm going to call for a 10 minute break to give an opportunity for the folks in the other room to come here and fill a part.

2653
03:01:46,000 --> 03:01:55,000
If all the blue cards speak tonight, and I have 50 in my hand right now, and you get 3 minutes each, that will be about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

2654
03:01:55,000 --> 03:02:01,000
Once I come in the meeting, again, our farm mushrooms back there can come in our deputy in that corner.

2655
03:02:01,000 --> 03:02:06,000
We'll make sure that all the, the room is, is up to code.

2656
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:10,000
And if I call your name, I will wait for you if you are in the, in the other room.

2657
03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:15,000
So I will keep calling your name until, you know, you're not here.

2658
03:02:15,000 --> 03:02:22,000
So I'm going to take a 10 minute break that will give folks who are in the cryptocurrency hall to come on over to fill a blue card.

2659
03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:32,000
And then when they come in the meeting, I will not start the meeting until the farm marshal gives me the OK that I can start the meeting that everything is up to code.

2660
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:37,000
I call for a 10 minute break and ask the folks in the other room to come over and please fill in the blue card.

2661
03:02:37,000 --> 03:02:38,000
Thank you.

2662
03:02:38,000 --> 03:02:39,000
Thank you.

2663
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:10,000
Thank you.

2664
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:48,000
Thank you.

2665
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:20,000
Again, I have 62 speaker cards and if you guys speak three minutes, we'll be here for about three hours.

2666
03:04:20,000 --> 03:04:24,000
I mean, you're all welcome to speak toward the end.

2667
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:28,000
You can say that I agree with my previous speaker or speak one minute.

2668
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:32,000
You don't have to take all three minutes, but you're welcome to take all three minutes, but we take all three minutes.

2669
03:04:32,000 --> 03:04:38,000
We'll be here for 10, 20, 11, 20, 12, about one, 30 in the morning.

2670
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:41,000
Can I make a suggestion?

2671
03:04:41,000 --> 03:04:45,000
Can we have the developer make a dip presentation?

2672
03:04:45,000 --> 03:04:49,000
It's all under the public hearing parts, so we're going to begin.

2673
03:04:49,000 --> 03:04:57,000
The first speaker's presentation is Preston Shiappa, CHI-A-PPA Preston.

2674
03:04:57,000 --> 03:05:07,000
Followed by Brooke S.A. E. Z. Z. A. T. Followed by Patricia K. O. R. N. E. S. C. Z. UK.

2675
03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:10,000
If you can just step up forward, you will help the process.

2676
03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:11,000
Welcome.

2677
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:12,000
Welcome.

2678
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:14,000
My name is Preston Shiappa.

2679
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:17,000
I live on Brittany Court, which is just a couple blocks away.

2680
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:20,000
My wife and I can walk here.

2681
03:05:20,000 --> 03:05:23,000
We've lived in Kupatino for 27 years.

2682
03:05:23,000 --> 03:05:32,000
We didn't expect to live in a valley with giant buildings along both sides of our roads.

2683
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:35,000
I have a question, and it's something the governor said.

2684
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:40,000
The governor said that we're in a drought, and we've been in a drought for four years.

2685
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:45,000
And I've seen nothing in the plans which have anything to do with what are we going to do for

2686
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:50,000
water for the next four or five thousand people that are forced to come into Kupatino.

2687
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:56,000
I think the city council, instead of just saying we're all we must obey the law that you should be doing,

2688
03:05:56,000 --> 03:06:01,000
is contacting our representatives and the governor and say, listen, we're in a drought.

2689
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:04,000
We don't want to add 5,000 people to our city.

2690
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:07,000
We don't have the water resources for it.

2691
03:06:07,000 --> 03:06:14,000
So can we do something to modify the law so that we don't have to do this until we can solve our water crisis.

2692
03:06:14,000 --> 03:06:18,000
And solving water crisis does the mean just wait till it rains.

2693
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:23,000
But really solve our water crisis before we can bring new people in.

2694
03:06:23,000 --> 03:06:26,000
Second of all, please hold your positive really appreciate it.

2695
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:32,000
Second of all, the streets which are being designated for a lot of the new sites.

2696
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:38,000
Wolf Avenue is two lanes each way, but if you look at the next road over which is Tantau,

2697
03:06:38,000 --> 03:06:47,000
which is borders on the main street and also Apple, that street is one lane each way.

2698
03:06:47,000 --> 03:06:52,000
So what we're doing is our North South roads are being will be totally overloaded.

2699
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:59,000
If you look at Wolf now, it's being overloaded because it's an entrance onto 280 North and South.

2700
03:06:59,000 --> 03:07:04,000
And when Apple gets built there, it's going to overload Wolf Avenue for that.

2701
03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:09,000
And third of all, how can my North don't see anything going on in East Gupertino?

2702
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:11,000
There's no sites, for example.

2703
03:07:11,000 --> 03:07:17,000
If you go on McClull on a trillion hit, the net the road where it dead ends for that.

2704
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:19,000
There's an old shopping center there.

2705
03:07:19,000 --> 03:07:25,000
Why is it that site being chosen as a possible site that can be built for housing?

2706
03:07:25,000 --> 03:07:30,000
You know, all the sites are being concentrated in same area.

2707
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:33,000
It's going to cause extreme congestion in that area.

2708
03:07:33,000 --> 03:07:35,000
That's an area where I live in.

2709
03:07:35,000 --> 03:07:40,000
So I want to know why the city council has not chosen any other areas.

2710
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:48,000
They East Gupertino or the North itself, but trying to concentrate everything into a very small area for that.

2711
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:52,000
So that's my question right now for it.

2712
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:57,000
Oh yes, and two other things.

2713
03:07:57,000 --> 03:08:03,000
One thing is I saw nothing in the general plan about new parks, acreage for new parks.

2714
03:08:03,000 --> 03:08:12,000
The only new park I know that was built recently was Cali Park, which is one acre, about 44,000 square feet.

2715
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,000
We have 52,000 residents.

2716
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:18,000
So that's less than one square foot per resident for the city of Gupertino.

2717
03:08:18,000 --> 03:08:23,000
So why isn't there something in the plan that says, we need park space for the people.

2718
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:26,000
We've got 52,000 people.

2719
03:08:26,000 --> 03:08:28,000
We need more parks space for it.

2720
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:30,000
Thank you Mr. President, your time is up regarding all your questions.

2721
03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:33,000
I wrote them all down so we'll answer them at the end.

2722
03:08:33,000 --> 03:08:35,000
Thank you very much.

2723
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:37,000
Again, please hold your applause.

2724
03:08:37,000 --> 03:08:39,000
If there's so many someone's going to pause.

2725
03:08:39,000 --> 03:08:41,000
The deputy over there is going to ask you step outside.

2726
03:08:41,000 --> 03:08:47,000
I'm not asking to leave, but you can sit in the lobby because I want this to be a fair in.

2727
03:08:47,000 --> 03:08:51,000
The next speaker is Rook.

2728
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:53,000
Is it easy to eat?

2729
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:55,000
Rook?

2730
03:08:55,000 --> 03:08:57,000
Welcome.

2731
03:08:57,000 --> 03:09:00,000
Thank you for letting me speak.

2732
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:03,000
I live on plump tree lane.

2733
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:05,000
I think that your plan is great.

2734
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:10,000
It covers a lot of bases, but something that it doesn't cover is the quality of life.

2735
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:12,000
And that can't really be quantified.

2736
03:09:12,000 --> 03:09:16,000
I think that this additional development will put an undo burden

2737
03:09:16,000 --> 03:09:22,000
on schools, particularly in our side of Cupertina, which is the previous speaker mentioned as already congested.

2738
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:25,000
And we have all of the development going on on our side.

2739
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:28,000
Effectively, this is sort of ghettoizing the city.

2740
03:09:28,000 --> 03:09:33,000
It's turning our section of the city into the nimbee section of the city.

2741
03:09:33,000 --> 03:09:41,000
In regards to the schools, I really have serious concerns with the under estimation of the population of the school population.

2742
03:09:41,000 --> 03:09:44,000
When I looked at the 2010 census,

2743
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:54,000
they stated that the average size of the family in Cupertina is 3.84 people up from 3.27 in 2010.

2744
03:09:54,000 --> 03:09:59,000
Clearly, the low number of people entering the schools, according to the estimates,

2745
03:09:59,000 --> 03:10:03,000
make me conclude that either everyone sending their children to private school,

2746
03:10:03,000 --> 03:10:10,000
or we have a lot of people that are single moving to Cupertina for exciting nightlife.

2747
03:10:10,000 --> 03:10:16,000
And finally, the thing that really concerns me about the development is the fact that we live in a valley,

2748
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:18,000
and we're tied to technology.

2749
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:20,000
And as we all know, that's really cyclical.

2750
03:10:20,000 --> 03:10:25,000
I lived in Cupertina when they were at vacant buildings on deans that were apple buildings.

2751
03:10:25,000 --> 03:10:30,000
And all things being equal, we're going to hit this again.

2752
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:35,000
And I'm concerned that this plan will allow us to overbuild.

2753
03:10:35,000 --> 03:10:41,000
We won't have the capacity to absorb either that the housing or the people in the schools,

2754
03:10:41,000 --> 03:10:46,000
and that we will be sort of a belated area at some point.

2755
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:50,000
And that's all I have to say.

2756
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:51,000
Thank you.

2757
03:10:51,000 --> 03:10:52,000
Thank you.

2758
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:53,000
Thank you, Mrs. Asit.

2759
03:10:53,000 --> 03:10:55,000
Next speaker is Patricia.

2760
03:10:56,000 --> 03:11:01,000
Cornesta C-K-O-R-N-E-S-Z-E-A-U-K.

2761
03:11:01,000 --> 03:11:03,000
Patricia.

2762
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:05,000
Okay, I'm going to hold on to this card in the House.

2763
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:08,000
The other building has been closed, because I've personally went over there,

2764
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:10,000
and most of you are in the building.

2765
03:11:10,000 --> 03:11:12,000
Eddie Lee is the next speaker.

2766
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:14,000
Eddie Lee.

2767
03:11:16,000 --> 03:11:20,000
Next speaker is Joan O'Yang Lee.

2768
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:23,000
Joan O'Yang Lee.

2769
03:11:26,000 --> 03:11:28,000
Next speaker is Sam Lin.

2770
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:29,000
L-I-N.

2771
03:11:29,000 --> 03:11:30,000
Sam Lin.

2772
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:31,000
Welcome.

2773
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:35,000
Good evening.

2774
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:36,000
My name is Sam Lin.

2775
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:41,000
I'm representing Chinese Church in Christ in Coppettino,

2776
03:11:41,000 --> 03:11:43,000
administrative committee.

2777
03:11:43,000 --> 03:11:48,000
And our church is located at 10455,

2778
03:11:49,000 --> 03:11:53,000
just by a blog away from Marina Funt.

2779
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:58,000
And we have been in this current location since 2004,

2780
03:11:58,000 --> 03:12:00,000
a little bit more than 10 years,

2781
03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:05,000
and with a congregation of approximately 300 people.

2782
03:12:05,000 --> 03:12:09,000
And so I'm speaking on this Marina Plaza project,

2783
03:12:09,000 --> 03:12:13,000
simply from never in church as perspective.

2784
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:16,000
And first of all,

2785
03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:19,000
because of the vicinity,

2786
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:26,000
our church is able to outreach to the patrons of Marina Plaza.

2787
03:12:26,000 --> 03:12:29,000
And we share the good news with them.

2788
03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:31,000
They come to our church,

2789
03:12:31,000 --> 03:12:36,000
and their life been changed and make a very positive impact

2790
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:39,000
to their families and the community as well.

2791
03:12:39,000 --> 03:12:45,000
And so we've seen just over the last 10 years,

2792
03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:51,000
the population in the surrounding apartments and houses,

2793
03:12:51,000 --> 03:12:54,000
close to Marina Funt.

2794
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:59,000
There are a lot of Asian Americans migrating into the area.

2795
03:12:59,000 --> 03:13:03,000
Not only because they want to live in this great city of Corpettino,

2796
03:13:03,000 --> 03:13:08,000
but also because the anchor supermarket there,

2797
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:10,000
providing not only the convenience,

2798
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:16,000
but providing some kind of exchanges of information

2799
03:13:16,000 --> 03:13:19,000
in the very familiar settings.

2800
03:13:19,000 --> 03:13:23,000
And they find conference being there.

2801
03:13:23,000 --> 03:13:25,000
And we also,

2802
03:13:25,000 --> 03:13:29,000
the same token we see in the growth of population in our church,

2803
03:13:29,000 --> 03:13:31,000
for that same regards.

2804
03:13:31,000 --> 03:13:33,000
So when we heard this Marina Plaza,

2805
03:13:33,000 --> 03:13:38,000
it's going to be redeveloping and expanding not only the retail,

2806
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,000
but also the housing.

2807
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:45,000
Our feeling is that this is a very,

2808
03:13:45,000 --> 03:13:50,000
making a lot of sense in terms of the organic growth

2809
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:52,000
and the grassroots growth,

2810
03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:57,000
because it's not only people residing that areas,

2811
03:13:57,000 --> 03:14:03,000
you know, with the easy communion access to the retail locally,

2812
03:14:03,000 --> 03:14:06,000
they can walk into the sports center,

2813
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:08,000
the memory park,

2814
03:14:08,000 --> 03:14:09,000
they can come to the church,

2815
03:14:09,000 --> 03:14:12,000
so we see a great synergy of the growth

2816
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:15,000
of both the church and Marina Plaza.

2817
03:14:15,000 --> 03:14:17,000
So I just want to be here to make a point.

2818
03:14:17,000 --> 03:14:18,000
Thank you.

2819
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:19,000
Thank you, Mr. Lynn.

2820
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:23,000
The next speaker have is Larry Hennler,

2821
03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:27,000
I think it's H-E-N-D-L-E-R, Larry Hennler.

2822
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:34,000
Okay, thank you for my three minutes of infamy here.

2823
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:38,000
If I was cynical before this session,

2824
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:40,000
I think I have grown exponentially,

2825
03:14:40,000 --> 03:14:44,000
and my cynicism is a result of everything we've seen here.

2826
03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:46,000
A brief comment,

2827
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:48,000
I think Douglas Adams got the process perfectly

2828
03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:51,000
and they check his guy to the galaxy,

2829
03:14:51,000 --> 03:14:54,000
and those who don't understand the concept of libraries right over there,

2830
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:56,000
and you can fill in the blanks that way.

2831
03:14:56,000 --> 03:15:00,000
We have basically an issue of values.

2832
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:24,000
And it was brought up briefly about the cyclical nature of Silicon Valley and the like. We're talking about what the values, the value of our life is here, our home is here. And I see this entire program as proposed, a basically adversely affecting potentially strongly adversely affecting the values of all of our homes here.

2833
03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:35,000
The things that attracted us to cooperating or things like the schools, the quality of life, the nature, the small town nature, the low building, and here we're going around changing all of this.

2834
03:15:35,000 --> 03:15:41,000
And what really upsets me is the comment made early on by our consultants who put all this work into the plan.

2835
03:15:41,000 --> 03:15:51,000
Clearly stating, for example, that the Valko, the south of Valko proposal, is built to optimize the value for the investors.

2836
03:15:51,000 --> 03:16:01,000
And that really disturbs me. Because it completely ignores the value of the people who are already living there. And the residents in the impact that this is going to have on them.

2837
03:16:01,000 --> 03:16:09,000
So if we're going to be looking at value for going to be looking at how things behave, I would suggest that any proposal that's put in.

2838
03:16:09,000 --> 03:16:14,000
And we have no choice. I mean, laws have been dictated to us as to what we have to do.

2839
03:16:14,000 --> 03:16:23,000
I strongly suspect, and this is cynicism speaking, these laws have been dictated by those same people who are trying to optimize their value in their development processes.

2840
03:16:23,000 --> 03:16:27,000
They have a better value than I do definitely in the state of California.

2841
03:16:27,000 --> 03:16:30,000
So I wouldn't be surprised to track the process that way.

2842
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:45,000
But I would strongly suggest to the council whatever proposal is chosen to take a proposal that is spread out as vastly over the area with a small development in each of the locations as possible.

2843
03:16:45,000 --> 03:16:53,000
To minimize the value added to the developers while at the same time meeting the requirements of the state law to make this happen.

2844
03:16:53,000 --> 03:16:56,000
And I think it's a matter of a little bit of arithmetic to make this happen.

2845
03:16:56,000 --> 03:17:06,000
I think the numbers in the bare minimum should be what we propose should be done in that fashion to minimize the adverse effect to us and minimize the profit of the developers.

2846
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:08,000
Thank you, Mr. Henler.

2847
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:12,000
The next speaker is a long next week, Jennifer Griffin.

2848
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:17,000
Carlyne Mashinif and Claire Arnold.

2849
03:17:17,000 --> 03:17:20,000
Jennifer Griffin?

2850
03:17:21,000 --> 03:17:23,000
Thank you, Mayor Wong. I'm Jennifer Griffin.

2851
03:17:23,000 --> 03:17:27,000
And I wholeheartedly agree with that gentleman that just spoke before.

2852
03:17:27,000 --> 03:17:37,000
I think I wrote his name down, but I have diligently gone to all the 22 or 25 meetings for the last two years on this item.

2853
03:17:37,000 --> 03:17:43,000
And this is our second or third housing element that we've all kind of slugged through.

2854
03:17:43,000 --> 03:17:47,000
My kudos to the staff, they've done a tremendous job, believe me.

2855
03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:50,000
Nobody could pay anyone to go through this.

2856
03:17:50,000 --> 03:17:55,000
And you guys have gone, you know, everybody's been very patient, tried very hard.

2857
03:17:55,000 --> 03:18:03,000
But then again, I will just say, I'm a big proponent of the no project alternatives.

2858
03:18:03,000 --> 03:18:07,000
Let's just make it easy. No project alternatives.

2859
03:18:07,000 --> 03:18:10,000
No A, no B, no C.

2860
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:14,000
No project alternatives fixes everything.

2861
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:17,000
No community benefits under no conditions.

2862
03:18:17,000 --> 03:18:22,000
I have seen these things come up again every time and time again.

2863
03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:25,000
They people try to slip the men.

2864
03:18:25,000 --> 03:18:30,000
And that means that you have condominiums with inadequate parking.

2865
03:18:30,000 --> 03:18:36,000
You have cities giving developers the right to put in six stories.

2866
03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:41,000
When there was no public input at all, no parks.

2867
03:18:41,000 --> 03:18:46,000
I mean, I'm community benefits, as far as I'm concerned, should just be verboten.

2868
03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:51,000
And that's why I'm saying, and you can listen to what I said in the planning commission meeting about it.

2869
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:58,000
And the planning commission was very wise to say no community benefits.

2870
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:10,000
I also am concerned about putting a one to one building mass set back for multiple stories along Steven's Creek Boulevard.

2871
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:14,000
Right now Main Street is one to one point five.

2872
03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:16,000
That is the way it was built.

2873
03:19:16,000 --> 03:19:18,000
We meant it to be beautiful.

2874
03:19:18,000 --> 03:19:20,000
We live in the eastern end.

2875
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:24,000
What we see on Steven's Creek, we want to be beautiful for Cooper Tina.

2876
03:19:24,000 --> 03:19:28,000
One, we don't know what's going to happen to Steven's Creek Boulevard in the future.

2877
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:30,000
We already have some high rises there.

2878
03:19:30,000 --> 03:19:34,000
And as far as I'm concerned, no vertical canyons.

2879
03:19:34,000 --> 03:19:40,000
Main Street will not be vertical canyons because we had the foresight to make sure people from my neighborhood

2880
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:46,000
that the second stories on those buildings are pulled back from Steven's Creek Boulevard.

2881
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:52,000
I don't want Main Street to be resowned to one to one because it is even finished being built yet.

2882
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:58,000
I don't, I think we need to go slowly on this.

2883
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:00,000
And no fixed bus rapid transit.

2884
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:06,000
I heard today that Oakland had put this in from international Boulevard to Kalamazoo.

2885
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:12,000
I sure hope this thing isn't being planned for Steven's Creek Boulevard because it comes through my end of the city.

2886
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:16,000
And as it is now, I'm at Lawrence in 280 and I hop in Steven's Creek.

2887
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:20,000
I can't get downtown, I can't get down Wolf, I can't get down Blaney half the time.

2888
03:20:20,000 --> 03:20:28,000
North South, you know, I understand it will be, we have a good reason of having building sites coming in.

2889
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:36,000
They're doing a great job, but it is, you know, all I go down Lawrence half the time because I can't get around.

2890
03:20:36,000 --> 03:20:42,000
We need to make sure that what we're doing to Cooper Tina is not going to impact future generations.

2891
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:46,000
I just say slow down, go slow.

2892
03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:50,000
No, no, let's, let's do the, no way, no, be no see.

2893
03:20:50,000 --> 03:20:52,000
Let's do no project alternative.

2894
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:56,000
Keep the building height, stay on and protect Valka. Thank you.

2895
03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:58,000
Thank you. I really appreciate people watching their time.

2896
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:02,000
I really appreciate Karline Meshanniff.

2897
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:09,000
Good evening, Mayor Wong, members of the City Council.

2898
03:21:09,000 --> 03:21:13,000
My name is Karline Meshanniff with the Irvine Company.

2899
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:21,000
I would like to speak this evening on the possibility of the redevelopment of the Hampton's currently a 342 unit project.

2900
03:21:21,000 --> 03:21:27,000
Located adjacent to the new Apple Campus 2.

2901
03:21:27,000 --> 03:21:33,000
The Hampton's is not located in the Cooper Tina school district, as mentioned earlier, so we will be

2902
03:21:33,000 --> 03:21:41,000
impacting the Santa Clara school district and are working with them already on discussions of mitigation and

2903
03:21:41,000 --> 03:21:45,000
an understanding of that school district needs and impacts.

2904
03:21:45,000 --> 03:21:51,000
Our traffic won't exit onto single family streets.

2905
03:21:51,000 --> 03:21:59,000
It will exit onto the I-280 and this project along with others will trigger improvements to the wolf interchange and

2906
03:21:59,000 --> 03:22:03,000
prepared to pay our priority share of those improvements.

2907
03:22:03,000 --> 03:22:09,000
We've also worked out and agreed to language for the general plan amendment on the height along the

2908
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:15,000
Apple boundary and respect of their privacy and security to a maximum of 60 feet.

2909
03:22:15,000 --> 03:22:21,000
The redevelopment of the Hampton's will contribute to many of the fees and improvements in the city of Cooper Tina.

2910
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:27,000
And the Irvine Company has a resources to design and build an outstanding project that the city can be proud of.

2911
03:22:27,000 --> 03:22:31,000
We have a tradition and history of not selling off assets.

2912
03:22:31,000 --> 03:22:37,000
We will be the landowner, developer, and property manager for the long-term.

2913
03:22:37,000 --> 03:22:43,000
The city and residents can be comfortable with our reputation, quality, and financial resources

2914
03:22:43,000 --> 03:22:47,000
that the Irvine Company can bring to the city of Cooper Tina.

2915
03:22:47,000 --> 03:22:53,000
We support the planning commission's recommendation on the Hampton's for 748 units.

2916
03:22:53,000 --> 03:22:55,000
Thank you very much.

2917
03:22:55,000 --> 03:22:57,000
Can I ask Connie in the question?

2918
03:22:57,000 --> 03:22:59,000
Yes.

2919
03:22:59,000 --> 03:23:01,000
Connie would not many units.

2920
03:23:01,000 --> 03:23:03,000
You ask in the city council to approve.

2921
03:23:03,000 --> 03:23:07,000
What kind of community benefit are you going to offer to the city?

2922
03:23:07,000 --> 03:23:13,000
Well, I think that those would be negotiated most probably through development agreement.

2923
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:21,000
We have the continuation of 34 below market rate units which are already included in our existing Hampton's project.

2924
03:23:21,000 --> 03:23:25,000
Those will follow this project in addition.

2925
03:23:25,000 --> 03:23:31,000
We'll be park fees and all of the necessary other infrastructure improvements, including.

2926
03:23:31,000 --> 03:23:39,000
As I mentioned, the contribution to the wolf interchange once the city is conducted by the city.

2927
03:23:39,000 --> 03:23:47,000
There's a host of other fees which I don't know until we begin the negotiations.

2928
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:49,000
But we're prepared to do that.

2929
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:51,000
Thank you.

2930
03:23:51,000 --> 03:23:53,000
Thank you very much.

2931
03:23:53,000 --> 03:23:55,000
The next speaker is Clare Arnold.

2932
03:23:55,000 --> 03:23:57,000
Clare Arnold.

2933
03:23:57,000 --> 03:23:59,000
Is she here?

2934
03:23:59,000 --> 03:24:01,000
She is back.

2935
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:05,000
Next speaker is Dong Smith.

2936
03:24:05,000 --> 03:24:07,000
Dong Smith.

2937
03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:11,000
Next speaker is Dirl Lung.

2938
03:24:11,000 --> 03:24:13,000
And Bob McClung.

2939
03:24:13,000 --> 03:24:15,000
Dirl Lung and Bob McClung.

2940
03:24:15,000 --> 03:24:17,000
Let's see Bob.

2941
03:24:17,000 --> 03:24:19,000
Dirl Lung here, Dirl Lung here too.

2942
03:24:19,000 --> 03:24:21,000
McClung.

2943
03:24:21,000 --> 03:24:23,000
Good morning.

2944
03:24:23,000 --> 03:24:27,000
Okay.

2945
03:24:27,000 --> 03:24:31,000
Is it two separate cards said is or is it?

2946
03:24:31,000 --> 03:24:33,000
We should be on the same card.

2947
03:24:33,000 --> 03:24:35,000
We're going to the same card.

2948
03:24:35,000 --> 03:24:37,000
If you can get it to the clerk there, please.

2949
03:24:37,000 --> 03:24:43,000
Bye.

2950
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:47,000
Do you have three minutes correct?

2951
03:24:47,000 --> 03:24:49,000
Dirl Lung is talking about the same thing.

2952
03:24:49,000 --> 03:24:53,000
We're representing some of the community groups in the area.

2953
03:24:53,000 --> 03:24:55,000
And what I have done is.

2954
03:24:55,000 --> 03:24:57,000
Okay. Six minutes.

2955
03:24:57,000 --> 03:25:01,000
We've made up a sheet of the sites that we're proposing.

2956
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:03,000
Can I have this up on the screen, please?

2957
03:25:03,000 --> 03:25:05,000
Yes it is on the screen.

2958
03:25:05,000 --> 03:25:09,000
Okay.

2959
03:25:09,000 --> 03:25:11,000
A couple items I wanted to touch on.

2960
03:25:11,000 --> 03:25:16,000
One is there's a lot to cover tonight between the General Plan of Management and the Housing

2961
03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:17,000
Elements.

2962
03:25:17,000 --> 03:25:24,000
I would encourage the council as soon as possible to basically make a statement and put off the General Plan of

2963
03:25:24,000 --> 03:25:28,000
Amendment or future date and just roll on the housing component of this time.

2964
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:32,000
Otherwise we're going to be here until Wednesday morning at 6 o'clock.

2965
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:36,000
So that's my recommendation for that.

2966
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:41,000
Also, my recommendation to our recommendation is to select the number of parcels that meet

2967
03:25:41,000 --> 03:25:46,000
the RHA and A, H, C, D, E, Egg numbers of 1,000 and 2,

2968
03:25:46,000 --> 03:25:54,000
and now look at other criterias going up to 1,400 or 4,400.

2969
03:25:54,000 --> 03:26:00,000
I would also recommend that the parcels be selected uniformly throughout the city.

2970
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:10,000
So all the city shares in the negative impact that these major developments will have on the city.

2971
03:26:10,000 --> 03:26:18,000
I would also recommend how you recommend that the plan goes to 2022 and not to 2040.

2972
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:22,000
Also, I'd like to do is correct one of the consultants.

2973
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:27,000
They're saying that the recommendation is to move the numbers up to 1,400, which is 40%.

2974
03:26:27,000 --> 03:26:32,000
If you look at a report, it says a range of 25 to 40% for buffers.

2975
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:35,000
That's 1250 to 1,400.

2976
03:26:35,000 --> 03:26:43,000
So I would encourage you if you are going to go beyond 1,2002 for some buffer that are not going higher than 1250.

2977
03:26:43,000 --> 03:26:47,000
If you look at this list, we basically broke it down.

2978
03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:50,000
The left hand side is a staff report priority number.

2979
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,000
Next to that is a site name.

2980
03:26:52,000 --> 03:26:55,000
Then we added alternate A that is on the staff report.

2981
03:26:55,000 --> 03:26:59,000
Next to that is a community proposal of the groups that we have here.

2982
03:26:59,000 --> 03:27:05,000
And then the units per location.

2983
03:27:05,000 --> 03:27:08,000
Our recommendation is with the Hamptons.

2984
03:27:08,000 --> 03:27:11,000
We're looking at 609 units and not what they're asking for.

2985
03:27:11,000 --> 03:27:17,000
We believe that's valid and appropriate at 90 densies per acres.

2986
03:27:17,000 --> 03:27:21,000
We're recommending the Berry Swenson, which is number 5 on your list.

2987
03:27:21,000 --> 03:27:25,000
Glenbrooks is at 93.

2988
03:27:25,000 --> 03:27:30,000
The planning commission came out recommended 300 on this site.

2989
03:27:30,000 --> 03:27:33,000
And again, this is like an infill site.

2990
03:27:33,000 --> 03:27:37,000
So it has a less impact in regards to height and so forth.

2991
03:27:37,000 --> 03:27:39,000
On the rest of the city.

2992
03:27:39,000 --> 03:27:43,000
So Glenbrooks has some flexibility too, even though it's been recommended 93.

2993
03:27:43,000 --> 03:27:47,000
There's a flexibility to increase that to 300 or even farther.

2994
03:27:47,000 --> 03:27:53,000
The report says as a limitation, but that's only if the Oaks is included as 150 units.

2995
03:27:53,000 --> 03:27:58,000
And we do not recommend the Oaks in this selection that we have here.

2996
03:27:58,000 --> 03:28:01,000
So Glenbrooks came to go up even higher.

2997
03:28:01,000 --> 03:28:07,000
We have down home set lanes 108 that is number 11 on your report.

2998
03:28:07,000 --> 03:28:11,000
Summer wins at 96, which is being recommended.

2999
03:28:11,000 --> 03:28:14,000
Villages again, another site that's already existing.

3000
03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:18,000
And you're looking at infill for that was 62.

3001
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:24,000
On the other side of town, Foothill Market, the recommendation is 27.

3002
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:28,000
Beta brothers is 15 and in VV's location is 10.

3003
03:28:28,000 --> 03:28:31,000
This gives you a total count of 1,031.

3004
03:28:31,000 --> 03:28:36,000
And again, keeping in mind the A bag number really dictates a minimum of 1,022.

3005
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:39,000
So above that number there.

3006
03:28:39,000 --> 03:28:43,000
Our recommendation again is keep as low as possible.

3007
03:28:43,000 --> 03:28:47,000
And we can always increase the numbers later at a future date.

3008
03:28:47,000 --> 03:28:51,000
We don't have to meet the 1400 or 4000 numbers at this time.

3009
03:28:51,000 --> 03:28:55,000
So I think our recommendation is to accept these sites.

3010
03:28:55,000 --> 03:28:58,000
We spreads it out uniformly throughout the city.

3011
03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:02,000
So everyone feels the negative impact of these developments.

3012
03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:07,000
We also meet the same numbers over at 1,031.

3013
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:16,000
To switch gears a little bit, there's a talk about Valco.

3014
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:20,000
I went to a lot of the community workshops, meetings there.

3015
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:23,000
And the staff talked about the presentations.

3016
03:29:23,000 --> 03:29:27,000
And in my mind, they're very slanted toward trying to get people to accept housing

3017
03:29:27,000 --> 03:29:31,000
and also high density office there and so forth from my experience.

3018
03:29:31,000 --> 03:29:36,000
It wasn't neutral from a standpoint for a public person in the presentation.

3019
03:29:36,000 --> 03:29:40,000
And I think that's the reason you've got such a positive element.

3020
03:29:40,000 --> 03:29:44,000
Here regards to people thinking about how being housing there and so forth.

3021
03:29:44,000 --> 03:29:46,000
I agree with the Planning Commission.

3022
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:48,000
I mean, they came out and says, there's no housing at Valco.

3023
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:50,000
We fully agree with that.

3024
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:55,000
Housing is such a large development that that should come back at a later date.

3025
03:29:55,000 --> 03:30:00,000
And these items, these specific items be discussed at a later date, not now and also.

3026
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,560
We're not in the general plan amendment. There's a place for that, and this isn't it. Also, probably

3027
03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:11,680
half that people there were developers and so forth, so they had this way on the impact on

3028
03:30:11,680 --> 03:30:18,960
that. And at this point, I'm over for any questions. It's council members have, and we

3029
03:30:19,520 --> 03:30:28,000
are proposed sites. Thank you, Bob. Bob, do you have a question? You proposed site total

3030
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:35,680
1,000 in two units, 1,031 units, 1,031 units, correct? 609 on the Hamilton, that's on the

3031
03:30:35,680 --> 03:30:42,480
east side, right? Right. But I don't know. I don't say east or west. I think it, well, they

3032
03:30:42,560 --> 03:30:47,600
can print them when I got a lot of email. I got a weird two concentrate on the east side and

3033
03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:53,360
not much on the west side. So then you add another 62 units from the village. That means almost

3034
03:30:54,560 --> 03:31:07,360
670 71 units. That's over almost 70%. Again, this, your group recommendation is focused on the east side,

3035
03:31:07,360 --> 03:31:13,200
not in the east, but in the east. Actually, it's focused formally because there are sites

3036
03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:19,040
that are not in our recommendation, such as the furniture site, and also the Jiffy-loop sites that were

3037
03:31:19,040 --> 03:31:25,920
part of the study here, that would have greatly impacted Wolf Road and Stephen's Creek Boulevard

3038
03:31:25,920 --> 03:31:31,600
area. Well, we tried to look at two as uniforming within the schools themselves, the school locations.

3039
03:31:31,920 --> 03:31:37,920
And we think this comes up with a very balanced element. The Hamptons is outside the school districts,

3040
03:31:37,920 --> 03:31:44,560
and hopefully it would have a larger impact on Santa Clara that could be Tino. And again, Glenbrook's

3041
03:31:44,560 --> 03:31:51,120
and Villages, they're existing now. And we've always advocated in filling where we can with existing

3042
03:31:51,120 --> 03:32:01,280
apartment complexes. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. The next speaker is Manish Argoa,

3043
03:32:01,280 --> 03:32:15,680
H-E-R-W-A-L. Manish. The next speaker I have is Mo. Mo. Mo with no last name. Mo.

3044
03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:23,840
Tino, were you going to speak, or? Okay, because I was understanding that you were going to talk

3045
03:32:23,840 --> 03:32:32,080
with them together. I gave you six minutes. I'll give you three minutes, okay?

3046
03:32:33,360 --> 03:32:40,000
Would you give up, sir? I'll give him three minutes. Please talk to him. I'm not going to go through all this.

3047
03:32:40,320 --> 03:32:46,400
It doesn't matter. I'm going to need to speak. I have a lot of speaker. I just want to support Mr. McGillin's

3048
03:32:46,400 --> 03:32:55,680
statements fully. I just want to make a short and brief statement to you. Do to the length and complexity of the

3049
03:32:56,640 --> 03:33:07,120
2015 to 2040 General Pantiment, which is actually a 25-year document. We recommend that action be

3050
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:14,880
completed after a more thorough discussion at the community and that the City Council concentrate

3051
03:33:14,880 --> 03:33:23,200
tonight on only the housing element, which has a state mandated deadline. We have recommended the following

3052
03:33:23,200 --> 03:33:30,720
possible sites, which I gave you copies of, and we have recommended them for increasing number

3053
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:37,920
actually, that for possible inclusion in your general housing element. If I could go through some of them

3054
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:55,120
from Benhead of the audience. Okay, we included the Hamptons and we use a calculation based on

3055
03:33:55,840 --> 03:34:02,880
90 joining units per acre, which gives us 951. Now if you deduct out the existing units, which is

3056
03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:16,160
342, you get a net of 609 net. Another one was the Barry Swenson existing vacant property, and we

3057
03:34:16,160 --> 03:34:23,680
felt that was a usable space because it's adjacent to an affordable housing complex, and that gives you 11 units.

3058
03:34:23,840 --> 03:34:35,600
The Glenbrook is in fill project. Going to the next page, we crossed out the Jiffy-Loo area

3059
03:34:35,600 --> 03:34:42,000
because it's right in the east side of town, and they're already impacted to a great degree. We also

3060
03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:48,240
left out the United Furniture Store site because that's on the east side too. I think that the east side

3061
03:34:48,320 --> 03:34:54,800
pretty much has a lot of housing going in there, and it would greatly impact the traffic, the

3062
03:34:54,800 --> 03:35:00,560
schools, and et cetera, and the infrastructure so we feel that we need to distribute housing over a

3063
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:08,080
greater area throughout the city. The Homestead Lane's, I think, is potentially a good next-use

3064
03:35:08,160 --> 03:35:18,640
property, same thing with the sun, summer bit, winds, and granite rock property. Going to the

3065
03:35:18,640 --> 03:35:27,120
third page, the villages, the infill project, the foothill McClellan led just to some housing and mixes

3066
03:35:27,120 --> 03:35:36,400
over into the west side of town, and by, rather, there's two parcels, one is a 711 type store,

3067
03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:42,560
and there's a vacant, there's a property behind that, which would be a good mixed-use property,

3068
03:35:42,560 --> 03:35:48,240
and I think the property door is willing to develop it. Thank you, Dr. William, your time is up.

3069
03:35:48,240 --> 03:35:54,160
Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Mo, one last time. Could I just maybe go ahead, Mr.

3070
03:35:54,880 --> 03:35:58,560
Would you time is up? I'm sorry, Gerald. Okay, I'm sorry. Your time is up.

3071
03:35:58,560 --> 03:36:02,080
Well, we think the city, I'm just your time is up. I'd to be fair to everyone, Dr. Lump.

3072
03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:06,240
We think the structure of your time is up. The citizens, thank you very much, Dr. Lump.

3073
03:36:06,800 --> 03:36:11,840
The next speaker is U-E-N, U-E-N, Y-I-N-G, last name.

3074
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:16,320
The next speaker is Kevin McClellan. Kevin McClellan.

3075
03:36:18,960 --> 03:36:24,880
Are you, U-E-N, U-E-N? Okay, come on up. Sorry, Kevin.

3076
03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:40,880
Okay, I'm, U-E-N. Hi, yes, my name's U-E-N, and I'm a resident on the other Brooklyn Lane in Cupertino.

3077
03:36:40,880 --> 03:36:46,400
Thank you very much. Yes. Two weeks ago, I heard about this enormous plan about building more than a thousand

3078
03:36:46,400 --> 03:36:52,160
condolences. Yet, the welcome hour area, I was shocked because I didn't hear about it. Then I thought,

3079
03:36:52,160 --> 03:36:58,000
was I the only one that I'm aware of this problem? So last, the afternoon, I spent four hours

3080
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:02,800
walking down the other Brooklyn Lane, door to door, talking to my neighbors, checking out what's happening.

3081
03:37:03,600 --> 03:37:10,560
And out of the twenty-plus neighbors, I talked to only two of them know about this and attend the meetings

3082
03:37:10,560 --> 03:37:17,520
over the past 18 months. And now I have this letter. Then I decided I need to send that for them to

3083
03:37:17,520 --> 03:37:23,680
represent the information they need to know. And here I come to the letter and I relate to them and they

3084
03:37:23,680 --> 03:37:29,280
gave me the sixth test and the signature. Basically, in this letter, we all agree that we all

3085
03:37:29,280 --> 03:37:36,400
are afraid of falling. First, we are not effective in notified about this plan. Second, this plan makes

3086
03:37:36,400 --> 03:37:42,000
traffic on work on wealth, even worse. We request to see a plan to improve traffic congestion and the

3087
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:48,640
parking issues before the reason or residential plan is approved. And third, the plan brings more than a thousand

3088
03:37:48,720 --> 03:37:54,640
families in that half square mile corner. Most of which will have school aged kids. And we request

3089
03:37:54,640 --> 03:38:02,160
to see a sustainable plan that provides more school resources, not just classrooms, we need new schools,

3090
03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:09,680
new fields, and new teachers. Fourth, our neighborhood is not safe as before. And we request to see a

3091
03:38:09,680 --> 03:38:15,840
budget, the detailed budget plan, to go with this reason planning. We want to know how many more

3092
03:38:15,840 --> 03:38:22,000
crews in the police and in the emergency facilities can we add to support this 5,000 more people.

3093
03:38:22,640 --> 03:38:27,280
And fifth, we urge the city council to postpone the approval of date of this

3094
03:38:27,280 --> 03:38:33,440
appointment until the residents are fully aware or provide or have sufficient time to review this plan.

3095
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:38,240
And that's it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Kevin McCormn.

3096
03:38:38,240 --> 03:38:49,520
Good evening Mayor Walgain City Council members. I just want to begin by thanking city staff,

3097
03:38:50,320 --> 03:38:57,040
24 meetings and workshops, year and a half EIRs consultants. This has been a lot of work.

3098
03:38:58,480 --> 03:39:04,240
You know, this year marks 30 years of me working in Cupertino and this process just seems to get tougher and

3099
03:39:04,240 --> 03:39:10,880
tough or so. I really wish you guys all the best in the process and getting through all that you

3100
03:39:10,880 --> 03:39:16,480
you guys need to do. You know, that's what remind you guys that we started this process because we ran out

3101
03:39:16,480 --> 03:39:23,760
of allocations in our general plan. It was empty. And so the hope is that through this process we can get

3102
03:39:23,760 --> 03:39:28,880
some of those allocations back. And from the Cupertino Chamber of Commerce, that's what we're looking for

3103
03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:34,400
is just to get those those allocations replenished in a fair and balanced way. You guys received a letter

3104
03:39:34,400 --> 03:39:39,600
from us earlier and those are the what we feel is fair and balanced. We also feel that there's a lot of

3105
03:39:39,600 --> 03:39:45,520
good projects in Cupertino and Steven's Creek office. The stuff that needs to happen with the

3106
03:39:45,520 --> 03:39:50,880
Valko shopping mall in addition to the Hampton. There's some good projects here that could really help

3107
03:39:50,880 --> 03:39:56,880
our community and we really hope that you'll keep the mall in consideration and get those allocations replenished. Thank you.

3108
03:39:57,360 --> 03:40:04,880
Thank you very much. The next speaker I have is, see, Amiba Tijuana.

3109
03:40:06,720 --> 03:40:17,360
Amita, Amita Tijuana. Yes. Okay, come on up, please. Followed by Anshu Bhatt, the HATT is Anshu

3110
03:40:17,440 --> 03:40:28,160
here as well too. So I see you followed by Eric, Eric Shay, H-E-S-H. Welcome.

3111
03:40:29,120 --> 03:40:35,360
Thank you. I was here last week and I thought I needed to go more prepared but thanks to a lot of

3112
03:40:35,360 --> 03:40:41,920
community folks who've come here and said very eloquently what I wanted to that I think you really need to

3113
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:48,160
reconsider visit the places where you've I mean kind of passed all the high density

3114
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:55,360
construction between Wolfen and Lawrence and that's where a lot of community lives and feels that

3115
03:40:55,360 --> 03:41:05,040
this is really injustice to us folks. So I've been a resident here for 15 years and it looks like a

3116
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:13,760
scary city in the future with tall hotels and parking structures and residents halls and so forth.

3117
03:41:15,360 --> 03:41:24,000
There's a great this, if workshops and outreach was very effective then I would not have expected

3118
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:30,320
to see so many people out today and there seems to be a big discrepancy between the reports and the

3119
03:41:31,280 --> 03:41:34,720
reality. So you really need to check out for yourself or the traffic conditions are

3120
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:41,920
during morning hours between 7 to 9 when the schools people are dropping their children at school

3121
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:48,080
between 3 and 8 when Kupatino's high school kids get out of school and the four lanes of Steven

3122
03:41:48,080 --> 03:41:54,800
Kriegs are full of traffic and then to top it up there are double-decker buses of Apple that turn

3123
03:41:54,800 --> 03:42:01,280
onto Tanto which is a single lane so that is not the quality of life that I had thought we would be

3124
03:42:01,280 --> 03:42:07,440
really expecting from the city which was really it feels like we're living in downtown San Jose

3125
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:19,120
and I am nervous of course but I do want you to consider it consider the recommendations that have been

3126
03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:24,560
made by fellow residents that if construction has to be done it has to be spread out over the

3127
03:42:25,280 --> 03:42:31,200
city rather than in one specific area and none of our roads are actually or the infrastructure

3128
03:42:31,200 --> 03:42:37,520
designed to kind of manage that type of traffic and this is without the construction being complete yet

3129
03:42:38,400 --> 03:42:45,360
so I hope we voted for you and you would take care of our interest. Thank you very much man. The next

3130
03:42:45,360 --> 03:42:54,320
speaker is on shoe bought on shoe bought I thought that's awesome we get on the next speaker is Eric

3131
03:42:54,320 --> 03:43:06,320
Shay H.E.S.H. Eric. I think it's her. I'm just glad to hear you. Yeah I agree.

3132
03:43:06,320 --> 03:43:12,720
All right, great. No, thank you. As Mark Santoro pointed out I think we're in a sticky situation

3133
03:43:13,280 --> 03:43:18,640
based on the state mandates we're trying to accommodate a thousand and two units of housing and

3134
03:43:18,640 --> 03:43:23,360
look at the discussion and the problems that it's generating just just from that so I feel

3135
03:43:24,080 --> 03:43:30,640
I feel like we should be able to respond back to the state and say you're putting us in a situation

3136
03:43:30,640 --> 03:43:36,720
that's unbearable for the community as well as for the county as well as for the departments as well as

3137
03:43:36,720 --> 03:43:43,200
for the community involved all throughout. To me it's a lose win situation and the city is not

3138
03:43:43,200 --> 03:43:48,000
on the win the win side of that the developers are they're going to make these developments and they're

3139
03:43:48,000 --> 03:43:57,520
going to move on we have to live with their the result of all of that. I think exception to the

3140
03:43:57,520 --> 03:44:03,680
comment that the staff made with respect to the sites were scattered throughout the city. They were

3141
03:44:03,680 --> 03:44:08,880
in all fairness there were 17 or so on the list but the bottom part of the list they asked that they

3142
03:44:08,880 --> 03:44:20,480
be removed which then concentrated the effort on the east part of of Cupertino and with the number

3143
03:44:20,480 --> 03:44:26,960
of units if we are talking 4400 units I did a simple math over here two kids of family that's 8000

3144
03:44:26,960 --> 03:44:33,600
students over the next 20 years and the impact on that will be right here at Cupertino high school

3145
03:44:33,600 --> 03:44:40,160
high middle school Eisenhower and Sedgwick the rest of the community is not feeling that pain and

3146
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:46,480
expanding up a level and expanding the classroom sizes and doing all that I feel is not a good

3147
03:44:46,480 --> 03:44:53,760
justice for the city take in point independence high school in San Jose it's a huge high school and I

3148
03:44:53,760 --> 03:45:00,240
don't think the quality of education is there. With respect to Velco my plan.

3149
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:18,000
And has always been to copy Westfield and you'll have success, because if you look at the freeway at that intersection of 80 and 280 and 80, if we could just get the run-off up here in Cupertino, we would be, I think, very successful in our retail development there.

3150
03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:24,000
So thank you very much for your time, and again, we voted for you, and so hopefully you will watch out for our interests.

3151
03:45:24,000 --> 03:45:36,000
Thank you, Mr. Hirsch. The next speaker is on Xing Lee, Xing Lee, Q-I-N-G, Lee-L-I.

3152
03:45:36,000 --> 03:45:46,000
I'm going to call those speakers again that didn't come up. The next speaker I have is Tim McKay, Tim McKay.

3153
03:45:47,000 --> 03:45:48,000
Thank you.

3154
03:45:48,000 --> 03:45:50,000
McCray, probably.

3155
03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:52,000
There you are, Mr. McKay.

3156
03:45:52,000 --> 03:45:54,000
McCray.

3157
03:45:54,000 --> 03:45:55,000
Here's his Tim.

3158
03:45:55,000 --> 03:45:57,000
Yeah, Tim McKray.

3159
03:45:57,000 --> 03:46:06,000
Good evening, Mayor Wong, Cupertino City Council members. My name is Tim McKray, and I am the energy director for the Silicon Valley Leadership Group.

3160
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:10,000
My comments relate to Cupertino as a member of the Silicon Valley community.

3161
03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:18,000
Identifying appropriate areas in which to direct growth is vital to the reasons of regions ability to continue to grow, driving economy.

3162
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:29,000
So regarding question one before you, we support the allocation of 3.6 million square feet of office space, and we encourage the Council to continue its current set aside for major employers.

3163
03:46:29,000 --> 03:46:41,000
Regarding question four, housing is a top issue for our employers year after year. We did a survey about this this year, and yet again, housing was almost at the top, if not the top.

3164
03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:47,000
Housing affordability is a choke point in Silicon Valley's ability to recruit and retain top talent.

3165
03:46:47,000 --> 03:46:58,000
We commend the city on identifying appropriate sites on which to build more housing, and we are especially excited about the prospect of a revitalized Velco shopping center that includes housing and retail.

3166
03:46:58,000 --> 03:47:05,000
We encourage you to move forward in adopting the city's housing element with the approximate 1400 units as suggested.

3167
03:47:05,000 --> 03:47:08,000
Thank you for your time and attention to these issues.

3168
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:14,000
Thank you, Tim. The next speaker I have is Gary Lackshaw. Gary Lackshaw.

3169
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:24,000
Followed by Scott Hughes, followed by Vincent Arrivero.

3170
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:30,000
Thank you for the opportunity to finally be able to speak to you in May or in the Council and those here.

3171
03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:38,000
I'm speaking, well, there's the citizens in Cooper Tno and it's representative of the thinking of the CR club on these issues.

3172
03:47:38,000 --> 03:47:45,000
Namely, the Sustainable Land Use Committee and the Environmental Conservation Committee.

3173
03:47:45,000 --> 03:47:57,000
In general, I advocate for the, I think it was option C, the high growth option in particular for the Velco Center.

3174
03:47:57,000 --> 03:48:04,000
Why do I say that? Well, I say that because I have a 22 month old granddaughter.

3175
03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:09,000
And someday hopefully she'll be 22 and 44, et cetera.

3176
03:48:09,000 --> 03:48:23,000
Right now, the main thing on her mind is where she's making basic decisions is whether to listen to my son and his wife about pie train.

3177
03:48:23,000 --> 03:48:30,000
She finds it very easy to simply pee and poop in her diaper.

3178
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:41,000
Now, 22 years from now, 44 years from now, people are going to wonder what did, she's going to wonder what did we leave her? How much poop did we put in the atmosphere?

3179
03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:45,000
We have to go to a low carbon solution.

3180
03:48:45,000 --> 03:48:58,000
One of the ways to do that is higher density people using less energy per unit and being able to develop a transit center so that people can use transit,

3181
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:02,000
one of the individual vehicles to get from one place to the other.

3182
03:49:02,000 --> 03:49:13,000
If Velco is developed in a high density manner, mixed use, that could then invite, it uses a transit center,

3183
03:49:13,000 --> 03:49:18,000
that could then also invite that VTA would agree and have in a community bus.

3184
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:27,000
So it can be a basic, a game changer for the care for the city with a community bus and lots of transit to that center.

3185
03:49:27,000 --> 03:49:31,000
And ultimately, we have to look for these low carbon solutions.

3186
03:49:31,000 --> 03:49:33,000
Thank you for your time.

3187
03:49:33,000 --> 03:49:34,000
Thank you very much.

3188
03:49:34,000 --> 03:49:38,000
Next speaker is Scott Hughes.

3189
03:49:38,000 --> 03:49:40,000
Scott Hughes.

3190
03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:42,000
Next speaker is Vincent Rivero.

3191
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:43,000
Nice to meet you.

3192
03:49:43,000 --> 03:49:44,000
Nice to meet you.

3193
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:52,000
Follow by Neil Strudders, followed by Claudio Fono, followed by Ruby Elbowgen.

3194
03:49:57,000 --> 03:49:59,000
Good evening, this mayor, Councilman.

3195
03:49:59,000 --> 03:50:00,000
My name is Vincent Rivero.

3196
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:03,000
I'm with the ER engineer, 1625, the Elameda.

3197
03:50:03,000 --> 03:50:12,000
And I'm here to ask you today to reconsider the marina food site as a housing component.

3198
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:17,000
Considering the marina food site would allow you to spread out the housing allocation stop the city.

3199
03:50:17,000 --> 03:50:24,000
By allowing that housing to happen on that site, you would allow marina foods in terms to reinvent itself.

3200
03:50:24,000 --> 03:50:31,000
To come forward and modernize a structure that was built several years ago for a bike on era.

3201
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:39,000
We'd like to come by and reinvent that site, revitalize that site to use of walkability.

3202
03:50:39,000 --> 03:50:49,000
Getting a higher density at this 250 units on that site through use of a PUD or a GPA or by allowing housing element to be there.

3203
03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:59,000
And then in turn, that would allow us to better serve our residents to better serve our customers to come in and shop at a modern facility at that site.

3204
03:50:59,000 --> 03:51:07,000
So if you could please reconsider the marina food site as a housing element site to spread out the housing drop the city of Coutino.

3205
03:51:07,000 --> 03:51:12,000
That would be greatly appreciated and I think it would help serve the residents of Coutino.

3206
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:13,000
Thank you.

3207
03:51:13,000 --> 03:51:14,000
Thank you very much.

3208
03:51:14,000 --> 03:51:22,000
Next speaker is Neil Struthers.

3209
03:51:22,000 --> 03:51:25,000
Good evening, Admiral Mayer City Council staff.

3210
03:51:25,000 --> 03:51:37,000
I don't epithize your position having to decide between people in the community who want lower growth and those that want to see their sites developed.

3211
03:51:37,000 --> 03:51:42,000
I'm here to support as a previous speaker of the marina food site, but for a different reason.

3212
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:45,000
Not that those reasons are legitimate because they are.

3213
03:51:45,000 --> 03:51:54,000
But this morning I was at a press conference in which the IBW and Nika who I work for created a partnership and codified it with the Sierra Club.

3214
03:51:54,000 --> 03:52:04,000
And that whole partnership is we can produce, well, we can reduce greenhouse gas, it's in great good jobs at the same time.

3215
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:19,000
And we have very creative ways to do it. And one of the ways we're looking at doing that is creating finance and mechanism that creates existing buildings who are the largest source of greenhouse gases in the world and particularly in this country.

3216
03:52:19,000 --> 03:52:25,000
And we have a very unique funding system that allows them to retrofit their buildings.

3217
03:52:25,000 --> 03:52:31,000
In this case redeveloped their building with the cleanest technologies that reduce carbon footprint.

3218
03:52:31,000 --> 03:52:38,000
In some cases can create net zero energy facilities. I'm not sure this one will be one, but that's our motivation.

3219
03:52:38,000 --> 03:52:45,000
And in order for that to happen, this particular site has to be in the housing element or there will be no redevelopment of that site.

3220
03:52:45,000 --> 03:52:54,000
And as this previous speaker said, this is a major crossroads into to be able to clean up that corner and modernize it in the same time.

3221
03:52:54,000 --> 03:52:57,000
Research of carbon footprint makes sense for everybody.

3222
03:52:57,000 --> 03:53:01,000
I don't empathize your decision. This is tough. This is what government here for.

3223
03:53:01,000 --> 03:53:05,000
The housing element is dictated by the state for obvious reasons.

3224
03:53:05,000 --> 03:53:11,000
If left of their own devices and mispallies would just push housing onto other communities.

3225
03:53:11,000 --> 03:53:13,000
And that's not equitable.

3226
03:53:13,000 --> 03:53:20,000
So we're looking for this site to be added. Not sure exactly how you get to those numbers.

3227
03:53:20,000 --> 03:53:24,000
But we have confidence in that the people and staff can make that happen.

3228
03:53:24,000 --> 03:53:25,000
So thank you.

3229
03:53:25,000 --> 03:53:26,000
Thank you very much.

3230
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:29,000
Any other questions? Any other? Can I ask you a question?

3231
03:53:29,000 --> 03:53:30,000
Sure.

3232
03:53:30,000 --> 03:53:34,000
Someone suggests to improve their traffic inside the city.

3233
03:53:34,000 --> 03:53:38,000
Have a great separation between the end of Ottawa and Stephen's Creek.

3234
03:53:38,000 --> 03:53:42,000
Depress at the end underneath of Stephen's Creek.

3235
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:47,000
Marina, who is around the corner, is on the west side of the city.

3236
03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:57,000
Is the owner have any incentive or any plan to contribute to solve the traffic congestion inside the city?

3237
03:53:57,000 --> 03:54:01,000
I can't speak for the owner. That would be a better question left for the owner.

3238
03:54:01,000 --> 03:54:05,000
I understand there is a desire to do some kind of community benefit.

3239
03:54:05,000 --> 03:54:12,000
I think that's smart but that has to be a voluntary thing done by the landowners.

3240
03:54:12,000 --> 03:54:16,000
There can be incentives for that. But I can't answer that question.

3241
03:54:16,000 --> 03:54:20,000
It's not for me to say whether they would be interested in that or not.

3242
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:22,000
Okay. You can ask them.

3243
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:23,000
Thank you.

3244
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:26,000
Next speaker is Claudio Bono.

3245
03:54:30,000 --> 03:54:33,000
Good evening, Mayor Wong.

3246
03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:36,000
Mayor of council. My name is Claudio Bono.

3247
03:54:36,000 --> 03:54:42,000
I am the general manager of the Cooper Tenoena as well as the Grand Hotel in Sanibel.

3248
03:54:42,000 --> 03:54:51,000
I am here to ask you for your consideration for the new project that we're excited and you go to build right where the

3249
03:54:51,000 --> 03:54:58,000
Goodier tire building is currently situated right next to the Cooper Tenoena.

3250
03:54:58,000 --> 03:55:01,000
Cooper Tenoena has been a community for over 27 years.

3251
03:55:01,000 --> 03:55:05,000
At this time for a new brother or sister to come up.

3252
03:55:05,000 --> 03:55:08,000
Cooper Teno has tremendous opportunities.

3253
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:11,000
However, limited at this point.

3254
03:55:11,000 --> 03:55:18,000
If anyone wants to have or gather a wedding or large meeting space in Cooper Teno,

3255
03:55:18,000 --> 03:55:20,000
it is simply impossible.

3256
03:55:21,000 --> 03:55:25,000
Cypress Hotel. My colleagues can accommodate up to 250.

3257
03:55:25,000 --> 03:55:31,000
We are building this new hotel and asking for your consideration for over 108 feet.

3258
03:55:31,000 --> 03:55:40,000
Reason being is that we're trying to accommodate a lobby or space on the first floor with over 20,000 square feet of common areas.

3259
03:55:40,000 --> 03:55:47,000
Those areas already requires the lobby to be almost like two-story high.

3260
03:55:47,000 --> 03:55:53,000
In order to accommodate that hotel that should be over 4,000 square feet,

3261
03:55:53,000 --> 03:56:00,000
and over a 9-story tall, it would require a minimum of 108 feet.

3262
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:03,000
Staff recommend a 90 feet.

3263
03:56:03,000 --> 03:56:08,000
However, if we do go towards the 90 feet, it would be probably similar to the loft.

3264
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:14,000
I am the person who built and opened the very first loft in South Florida,

3265
03:56:14,000 --> 03:56:16,000
and in Miami and Florida actually.

3266
03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:22,000
Unfortunately, with that kind of height, you will not be able to create that timeless hotel,

3267
03:56:22,000 --> 03:56:30,000
five-star hotel feel like that we want to provide to the city, which we wanted to be a big beacon for the city of Cooper Teno.

3268
03:56:30,000 --> 03:56:37,000
As you know, we will bring definitely revenue for the city of Cooper Teno for which I am a proud Cooper Teno resident.

3269
03:56:37,000 --> 03:56:43,000
And also a creation of over 115 new jobs full-time.

3270
03:56:43,000 --> 03:56:47,000
So we are definitely asking for your consideration.

3271
03:56:47,000 --> 03:56:49,000
Can I ask you a question?

3272
03:56:49,000 --> 03:56:57,000
Absolutely. On the hotel, are you willing to pay a little bit higher on the utility to the city?

3273
03:56:57,000 --> 03:56:59,000
I believe so definitely yes.

3274
03:56:59,000 --> 03:57:05,000
You have to understand this young village by the way, who wanted to be here tonight was stuck in another city,

3275
03:57:05,000 --> 03:57:12,000
but we are trying to build a beacon, a nice hotel, and something that Cooper Teno could be proud of.

3276
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:20,000
And again, just the community benefit would be over 20,000 square feet of common area just for the resident of Cooper Teno.

3277
03:57:20,000 --> 03:57:28,000
And what if it needs to be done, we will evaluate and do, but it will definitely be an added value for the city of Cooper Teno and its resident.

3278
03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:33,000
Okay, and all you also, your property is right on the end of Wuluwa.

3279
03:57:33,000 --> 03:57:39,000
That's correct, which also would not be a problem with traffic as we are right next to 280,

3280
03:57:39,000 --> 03:57:43,000
85 north the ends of Wuluwa and Homestead Road.

3281
03:57:43,000 --> 03:57:47,000
So really, with Underground Parking Valley, we will be definitely set up.

3282
03:57:47,000 --> 03:57:51,000
And we are right on the shopping center, right next to the safe way, on the same lot.

3283
03:57:51,000 --> 03:57:54,000
How many conference rooms are you going to provide?

3284
03:57:54,000 --> 03:57:56,000
And how big the conference rooms are?

3285
03:57:56,000 --> 03:58:02,000
The total is over 4,000 square feet, which will allow this brand new hotel to accommodate citywide.

3286
03:58:02,000 --> 03:58:05,000
Because as you know right now, Cooper Teno is off the map.

3287
03:58:05,000 --> 03:58:11,000
It cannot accommodate any request of over 250 at this time.

3288
03:58:11,000 --> 03:58:17,000
So any event planners and meeting planners would be happy to finally put Cooper Teno on the map.

3289
03:58:17,000 --> 03:58:20,000
And it would be over 4,000 square feet total.

3290
03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:22,000
4,000 square feet for the conference room.

3291
03:58:22,000 --> 03:58:23,000
That's correct.

3292
03:58:23,000 --> 03:58:24,000
Okay, thank you.

3293
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:25,000
Thank you.

3294
03:58:25,000 --> 03:58:26,000
Let's hear things.

3295
03:58:26,000 --> 03:58:27,000
Yeah.

3296
03:58:29,000 --> 03:58:32,000
I understand you're looking for 110.

3297
03:58:32,000 --> 03:58:33,000
Correct.

3298
03:58:33,000 --> 03:58:35,000
On anything you speak.

3299
03:58:35,000 --> 03:58:39,000
Which is, would make it about the tallest building in town.

3300
03:58:41,000 --> 03:58:44,000
Time less hotels than tall.

3301
03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:45,000
Yeah, okay.

3302
03:58:45,000 --> 03:58:49,000
So, I'm getting a little late, right.

3303
03:58:49,000 --> 03:58:57,000
But my question to you is, do you have, what are your plans for the existing Cooper Teno in building?

3304
03:58:58,000 --> 03:59:13,000
Would you consider taking that down in order to reduce the height and spread the rooms of this wonderful five star hotel with all these wonderful amenities across a greater area?

3305
03:59:13,000 --> 03:59:26,000
Well, as you know, the Cooper Teno and maybe the ugliest building, Cooper Teno, however in institution, however I can promise you that the transformation made right now, if you do come in the hotel.

3306
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:30,000
For any residents at this time, you will see it's a big transformation.

3307
03:59:30,000 --> 03:59:36,000
So, I don't feel that it would be something that we should be doing, but actually rather keep.

3308
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:39,000
I said, well, I mean, you've done a great, I don't get me wrong.

3309
03:59:39,000 --> 03:59:41,000
I've been there a number of times.

3310
03:59:41,000 --> 03:59:44,000
You've done a great job refurbishing it.

3311
03:59:44,000 --> 03:59:45,000
Thank you.

3312
03:59:45,000 --> 03:59:55,000
But it, I mean, it lacks the energy conservation features and so much more that, you know, a new building,

3313
03:59:55,000 --> 03:59:59,000
a new building would provide, and you're asking for a great deal of heights.

3314
03:59:59,000 --> 04:00:01,000
So, I'm just asking if...

3315
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:05,000
If you're interested in considering taking it down, or not.

3316
04:00:05,000 --> 04:00:16,000
Personally, not. However, I will be speaking for the honor, the project. Do you have a position on this that you can clarify?

3317
04:00:16,000 --> 04:00:23,000
I do, but I would need to double check. But again, the problem in cooperatives that we don't have as many rooms. That is the problem.

3318
04:00:23,000 --> 04:00:32,000
So, therefore, we want to add not to remove, because even if we demolish the hotel as you would suggest we do, and still build a hotel.

3319
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:33,000
Yeah, I know you like rooms.

3320
04:00:33,000 --> 04:00:41,000
I can well imagine that you're not going to do it if you can't build substantially more rooms than you have today. When I'm asking if you're willing.

3321
04:00:41,000 --> 04:00:46,000
And this should be no news to you, because that's exactly what staff is about asking.

3322
04:00:46,000 --> 04:00:49,000
Personally, no, I would not be willing. Definitely not.

3323
04:00:49,000 --> 04:00:51,000
Okay. Got it. Thank you.

3324
04:00:52,000 --> 04:00:59,000
One quick question. She up in the house. So, the cypress hotels also nine floors, which is what you're requesting. Is that true?

3325
04:00:59,000 --> 04:01:02,000
Correct. Yes. Do you know the height of the cypress?

3326
04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:04,000
You mentioned it earlier.

3327
04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:05,000
No, somebody mentioned that.

3328
04:01:05,000 --> 04:01:07,000
95, 95 feet, actually.

3329
04:01:07,000 --> 04:01:12,000
I heard that number. Is that really only 95 feet from your floors? Are we sure about that number?

3330
04:01:12,000 --> 04:01:18,000
I always heard it was like the tower buildings that are next to the cypress hotel, or about 100,

3331
04:01:18,000 --> 04:01:24,000
and between, there are 115 feet. And the cypress hotel is a middle of shorter than those buildings.

3332
04:01:24,000 --> 04:01:28,000
Okay. That's what I thought. I thought 95 seemed to shorter.

3333
04:01:28,000 --> 04:01:30,000
Okay. Thank you.

3334
04:01:30,000 --> 04:01:32,000
Any other questions from Mr. Ballon?

3335
04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:33,000
No.

3336
04:01:33,000 --> 04:01:34,000
Thank you very much, Mr. Ballon.

3337
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:35,000
Thank you.

3338
04:01:35,000 --> 04:01:38,000
Next speaker is Ruby Albuquer.

3339
04:01:38,000 --> 04:01:41,000
Ruby?

3340
04:01:41,000 --> 04:01:42,000
Okay.

3341
04:01:42,000 --> 04:01:44,000
Next speaker is

3342
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:47,000
King H. Y. Shui.

3343
04:01:47,000 --> 04:01:49,000
Lee.

3344
04:01:49,000 --> 04:01:53,000
See, see, say, Jai and Jai on East SD strike.

3345
04:01:53,000 --> 04:01:55,000
Here we go. Thank you.

3346
04:01:55,000 --> 04:01:58,000
What kind of Ruby you call for name before?

3347
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:00,000
Hi, city. Come some, maybe.

3348
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:05,000
I leave across the Velco near the corner of the middle of the wall for the end of Steven's Creek Ballon.

3349
04:02:05,000 --> 04:02:13,000
I'm here to oppose the suggestion of including the Velco shopping district site as a potential house housing element site.

3350
04:02:13,000 --> 04:02:21,000
And to request to remove all wording related to the Velco shopping centre potential office space sites from the general pan.

3351
04:02:21,000 --> 04:02:27,000
The reasons first, the city didn't give proper notice of such a large scale project,

3352
04:02:27,000 --> 04:02:30,000
which would have a huge impact on our neighborhood.

3353
04:02:30,000 --> 04:02:37,000
Instead of these hidden under the amendment of the general pan process, which just little attention.

3354
04:02:37,000 --> 04:02:40,000
I have lived here for over 20 years,

3355
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:45,000
and I have always received a notice letter from the city of all the neighborhood project.

3356
04:02:45,000 --> 04:02:49,000
For the Apple 2 campus campus project, I got several letters.

3357
04:02:49,000 --> 04:02:52,000
Yeah, for this important, the Velco project.

3358
04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:57,000
I got the no notice with hints of this big change.

3359
04:02:57,000 --> 04:03:04,000
Just like the former speaker said, things like this should not be allowed in our democratic system.

3360
04:03:04,000 --> 04:03:09,000
The Velco and the city should restart the proper notice process.

3361
04:03:09,000 --> 04:03:11,000
Second, traffic congestion.

3362
04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:15,000
According to the EIR transportation and traffic.

3363
04:03:15,000 --> 04:03:19,000
For point 13, that's 43 pages.

3364
04:03:19,000 --> 04:03:22,000
Even under the 2040 no project scenario.

3365
04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:33,000
There are 8 intersections that will operate on acceptable levels of service with no delay during peak hours,

3366
04:03:33,000 --> 04:03:37,000
which include a wall of mirror and Stephen's click in the section.

3367
04:03:37,000 --> 04:03:41,000
We already have about 2 campus in our area, 4,000 workers,

3368
04:03:41,000 --> 04:03:46,000
which you will not add additional 1 million square feet space.

3369
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:51,000
1 million square feet of space and not all high density count in our area,

3370
04:03:51,000 --> 04:03:54,000
to make a weekday traffic worse.

3371
04:03:54,000 --> 04:03:57,000
Third, air quality is another concern.

3372
04:03:57,000 --> 04:04:00,000
This stop-and-go traffic, the cost, trucks and buses,

3373
04:04:00,000 --> 04:04:04,000
driving by will release more air pollutants in the area.

3374
04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:09,000
And it will series a better air quality here, especially on Windows Avenue,

3375
04:04:09,000 --> 04:04:11,000
which is a very narrow street.

3376
04:04:11,000 --> 04:04:14,000
With the houses on the street.

3377
04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:19,000
Since the Velco developed on, it has not studied the proper communication process,

3378
04:04:19,000 --> 04:04:21,000
and doesn't have a layout plan.

3379
04:04:21,000 --> 04:04:26,000
I'll see this should not put an up to a large number for the number of residences,

3380
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:29,000
and the full office space size in general plan.

3381
04:04:29,000 --> 04:04:34,000
Especially without the proper notice to the neighborhood of the big project.

3382
04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:38,000
Doing this, I'll see it put our neighborhood in a bad position.

3383
04:04:38,000 --> 04:04:43,000
To negotiate in the future solution, good for the neighborhood and the residents.

3384
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:44,000
That's it.

3385
04:04:44,000 --> 04:04:46,000
Thank you very much.

3386
04:04:46,000 --> 04:04:51,000
The next speaker is Mujo Xiao.

3387
04:04:51,000 --> 04:04:53,000
Mujo Xiao as H-A-O.

3388
04:04:53,000 --> 04:04:54,000
Mr Xiao.

3389
04:04:54,000 --> 04:04:56,000
Mr Xiao.

3390
04:04:56,000 --> 04:04:58,000
Welcome.

3391
04:04:58,000 --> 04:04:59,000
Thank you.

3392
04:04:59,000 --> 04:05:00,000
Thank you.

3393
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:03,000
Mayor Wong and the city council members.

3394
04:05:03,000 --> 04:05:05,000
My name is Mujo Xiao.

3395
04:05:05,000 --> 04:05:11,000
I have two concerns on the drop to housing element.

3396
04:05:11,000 --> 04:05:18,000
A virtual room in impact, a virtual room impacts our school and the community in the future.

3397
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:22,000
The first concern is the population density.

3398
04:05:22,000 --> 04:05:29,000
The population density of kupino is about 5,300 per square mile.

3399
04:05:29,000 --> 04:05:37,000
It is already four times denser than the population density of a whole cent-clare country.

3400
04:05:37,000 --> 04:05:41,000
It is double than that of palato.

3401
04:05:41,000 --> 04:05:50,000
So we all know that east part of kupino is the highest population density in the whole city.

3402
04:05:50,000 --> 04:06:02,000
So the proposed expansion housing plan at east part of kupino will double the population population density.

3403
04:06:02,000 --> 04:06:13,000
So that the east part kupino has enough residential capacity for all those thousands of new residents.

3404
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:16,000
The second concern is traffic.

3405
04:06:16,000 --> 04:06:23,000
We all know east part kupino traffic is already very congested during the rush hour.

3406
04:06:23,000 --> 04:06:31,000
The local news also mentioned the traffic grid log near the IPL campus.

3407
04:06:31,000 --> 04:06:43,000
So one that new IPL campus fully opened there would be 20,000 IPL employees will come in and go on a weekday and a weekend.

3408
04:06:43,000 --> 04:06:56,000
Plus the new proposed housing expansion plan will bring more than 1,000 new residents is likely to bring chaos to the daily traffic.

3409
04:06:56,000 --> 04:07:02,000
There are more than 20,000 students in the kupino high school.

3410
04:07:02,000 --> 04:07:09,000
And considering two kids for family, the expansion housing plan will fall at it.

3411
04:07:09,000 --> 04:07:12,000
Thousands of kids into kupino schools.

3412
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:19,000
Job off in the pick up students would be, you know, not bad for the parents and residents.

3413
04:07:19,000 --> 04:07:29,000
The kupino high school entrance is just across the, just across the street to the Main Street kupino project area.

3414
04:07:29,000 --> 04:07:39,000
We do not wish the high school traffic bring another tragedy which happened several days ago at a month of winter high school.

3415
04:07:39,000 --> 04:07:47,000
So as kupino residents, we all hope a prospective future of our city.

3416
04:07:47,000 --> 04:07:50,000
The future is our hand.

3417
04:07:50,000 --> 04:08:04,000
So we, you know, I mean, one of the city council member and the mayor represents all the residents of the kupino residents was, yes, I'll know.

3418
04:08:04,000 --> 04:08:07,000
Thank you very much.

3419
04:08:07,000 --> 04:08:12,000
Thank you very much.

3420
04:08:12,000 --> 04:08:20,000
You mentioned about Apple employee after the campus to finish will be 20,000 employees will be working there.

3421
04:08:20,000 --> 04:08:22,000
Where did you get that number?

3422
04:08:22,000 --> 04:08:25,000
I got this number from you the net.

3423
04:08:25,000 --> 04:08:29,000
I didn't check the accuracy of the number.

3424
04:08:30,000 --> 04:08:36,000
Okay, because what they told us is 12,800 new employee will be working there.

3425
04:08:36,000 --> 04:08:37,000
Okay, number one.

3426
04:08:37,000 --> 04:08:42,000
The number two you also mentioned about 20,000 students in the kupino high school.

3427
04:08:42,000 --> 04:08:43,000
Yes.

3428
04:08:43,000 --> 04:08:44,000
Oh, 2000.

3429
04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:45,000
All right.

3430
04:08:45,000 --> 04:08:46,000
Okay, all right.

3431
04:08:46,000 --> 04:08:47,000
Thank you.

3432
04:08:50,000 --> 04:08:55,000
The next speaker is, um, Camille K.A.N.T.

3433
04:08:55,000 --> 04:08:57,000
Camille.

3434
04:08:58,000 --> 04:09:04,000
The next speaker is, um, Dica, uh, K.A.P. I.L. D.P. K.A.L.

3435
04:09:04,000 --> 04:09:06,000
K.A.L.

3436
04:09:06,000 --> 04:09:15,000
Next speaker is, um, Kathy, um, B.N.P. B.S. and boy, I.A.N. Kathy.

3437
04:09:15,000 --> 04:09:18,000
There we go.

3438
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:20,000
Um, your name again.

3439
04:09:20,000 --> 04:09:22,000
Um, yeah.

3440
04:09:22,000 --> 04:09:24,000
Is it difficult K.A.P. I.L.

3441
04:09:24,000 --> 04:09:25,000
Yes.

3442
04:09:27,000 --> 04:09:28,000
Welcome.

3443
04:09:28,000 --> 04:09:29,000
Thank you.

3444
04:09:35,000 --> 04:09:40,000
So, uh, this is my fourth meeting, C.D.M.D.

3445
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:47,000
I came to, um, planning commission meeting on October 14th.

3446
04:09:47,000 --> 04:09:49,000
That was the first one.

3447
04:09:49,000 --> 04:09:52,000
And I was, uh, really surprised.

3448
04:09:53,000 --> 04:09:55,000
Um, I'm sorry.

3449
04:09:55,000 --> 04:10:00,000
Um, not used to talking on broad level.

3450
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:08,000
Um, but I was really surprised that I could count the number of people, uh, on fingers, uh, from the,

3451
04:10:08,000 --> 04:10:13,000
cupidino residents representing cupidino residents.

3452
04:10:13,000 --> 04:10:16,000
And, uh, that that was really shocking.

3453
04:10:16,000 --> 04:10:21,000
But, uh, anyways, we have a lot of member community members here.

3454
04:10:21,000 --> 04:10:23,000
Um, right now.

3455
04:10:23,000 --> 04:10:27,000
And, uh, a lot of concern is on the, uh,

3456
04:10:27,000 --> 04:10:32,000
uh, vocal and Hampton, uh, housing element.

3457
04:10:32,000 --> 04:10:37,000
And, this, this is kind of, uh, representing the data.

3458
04:10:37,000 --> 04:10:42,000
So, all the, uh, uh, uh, uh, the campus is going to be built here.

3459
04:10:42,000 --> 04:10:46,000
And the Hampton's are going to be here, right?

3460
04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:51,000
And, uh, the vocal, uh, 600 units that have been proposed are here.

3461
04:10:51,000 --> 04:10:58,000
So, if you look, look, and all the 600 and, uh, 400 units roughly talking.

3462
04:10:58,000 --> 04:11:03,000
Uh, like about 1,000 units are going, like, I proposed here.

3463
04:11:03,000 --> 04:11:09,000
Um, there was another, um, uh, united furniture that was also proposed.

3464
04:11:09,000 --> 04:11:13,000
That is also very, uh, as RT had mentioned.

3465
04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:15,000
Uh, this is on East-States Drive.

3466
04:11:15,000 --> 04:11:17,000
And, this is a neighborhood street.

3467
04:11:17,000 --> 04:11:21,000
We highly recommend to remove this, uh, from the list.

3468
04:11:21,000 --> 04:11:32,000
On the other hand, we have, uh, Marina Plaza and Oaks and villages that are, uh, uh, uh, like quite spread out, uh, and they're away.

3469
04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:36,000
And, look at the, all the construction that is going out only in this area.

3470
04:11:36,000 --> 04:11:39,000
I mean, street Hampton, the new apartment buildings here.

3471
04:11:39,000 --> 04:11:41,000
The ample campus here.

3472
04:11:41,000 --> 04:11:47,000
Everything is focused and, like, concentrated on the east side of Cupertino.

3473
04:11:47,000 --> 04:11:59,000
We have another location if you, uh, permit I would like to post is, uh, uh, the site where there's the 85 degree, uh, that restaurant.

3474
04:11:59,000 --> 04:12:01,000
We have some San Jose.

3475
04:12:01,000 --> 04:12:03,000
If I degree bakeries of San Jose.

3476
04:12:03,000 --> 04:12:04,000
Okay.

3477
04:12:04,000 --> 04:12:05,000
I'm sorry.

3478
04:12:05,000 --> 04:12:09,000
But then there's Oaks that, that is very close to the freeway.

3479
04:12:09,000 --> 04:12:15,000
And, uh, Marina Plaza is also kind of, uh, it's kind of spreading it out around, not concentrating all

3480
04:12:15,000 --> 04:12:18,000
thousand and affecting our Cupertino high school.

3481
04:12:18,000 --> 04:12:19,000
And I'm an engineer.

3482
04:12:19,000 --> 04:12:20,000
I go with the data.

3483
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:23,000
And this is a, uh, really great data to tell me that.

3484
04:12:23,000 --> 04:12:24,000
This is not acceptable.

3485
04:12:24,000 --> 04:12:31,000
So at the point that I wanted to really bring out was, I agree with Jennifer Griffin about,

3486
04:12:31,000 --> 04:12:35,000
removing the community benefit altogether because.

3487
04:12:35,000 --> 04:12:36,000
Thank you very much.

3488
04:12:36,000 --> 04:12:37,000
Your time is up.

3489
04:12:37,000 --> 04:12:38,000
Let me say three.

3490
04:12:38,000 --> 04:12:39,000
I'm sorry, but everyone gets three minutes.

3491
04:12:39,000 --> 04:12:40,000
I apologize.

3492
04:12:40,000 --> 04:12:41,000
Let me ask you a question.

3493
04:12:41,000 --> 04:12:42,000
Yes.

3494
04:12:42,000 --> 04:12:43,000
Can I?

3495
04:12:43,000 --> 04:12:44,000
Yes.

3496
04:12:44,000 --> 04:12:45,000
Why, why you want to remove the community benefit?

3497
04:12:45,000 --> 04:12:52,000
Because the, uh, the thing is, we, uh, as, uh, I'm not sure, uh, Miss Arti, uh,

3498
04:12:52,000 --> 04:12:56,000
uh, mentioned that these are going to be the private negotiations later on.

3499
04:12:56,000 --> 04:12:59,000
They cannot be defined and no community.

3500
04:12:59,000 --> 04:13:02,000
I believe, no community input will be taken at that time.

3501
04:13:02,000 --> 04:13:03,000
All right.

3502
04:13:03,000 --> 04:13:09,000
So if the community, if the community input can be taken, then, would you consider it?

3503
04:13:09,000 --> 04:13:10,000
Yes.

3504
04:13:10,000 --> 04:13:11,000
Okay.

3505
04:13:11,000 --> 04:13:12,000
Number two.

3506
04:13:12,000 --> 04:13:13,000
Number one.

3507
04:13:13,000 --> 04:13:19,000
You, uh, you've, you've heard to spread it out on the, uh, on the, on the, on the housing unit,

3508
04:13:19,000 --> 04:13:23,000
you would like to add, okay, to a marina food and oak shopping center instead of everything

3509
04:13:23,000 --> 04:13:25,000
concentrate on the back wall.

3510
04:13:25,000 --> 04:13:28,000
I can see there are a thousand units that are going to be built and affecting only.

3511
04:13:28,000 --> 04:13:29,000
Go, go, go, go, go for dinner.

3512
04:13:29,000 --> 04:13:31,000
You're, uh, go for dinner high school.

3513
04:13:31,000 --> 04:13:32,000
Okay.

3514
04:13:32,000 --> 04:13:33,000
Got it.

3515
04:13:33,000 --> 04:13:34,000
Thank you.

3516
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:35,000
Thank you.

3517
04:13:35,000 --> 04:13:36,000
Thank you very much.

3518
04:13:36,000 --> 04:13:39,000
The next speaker is, um, Kathy, um, B.N.

3519
04:13:39,000 --> 04:13:41,000
B.I.A.N.

3520
04:13:41,000 --> 04:13:42,000
Kathy, be here.

3521
04:13:42,000 --> 04:13:44,000
Followed by, uh, Dennis Whitaker.

3522
04:13:44,000 --> 04:13:47,000
Followed by, um, Blair, um, Wolkman.

3523
04:13:47,000 --> 04:13:51,000
Followed by, um, and I, I know, another debica as well, too.

3524
04:13:51,000 --> 04:13:52,000
With no lasting.

3525
04:13:52,000 --> 04:13:53,000
Okay.

3526
04:13:53,000 --> 04:13:54,000
Thank you.

3527
04:13:54,000 --> 04:13:55,000
Thank you.

3528
04:13:55,000 --> 04:14:01,000
Well, um, I'm here to, you know, I just actually, I just got this news this evening, uh, over

3529
04:14:01,000 --> 04:14:02,000
the Chinese radio.

3530
04:14:02,000 --> 04:14:08,000
Uh, since you guys are going to, you know, have some special meeting regarding this new project.

3531
04:14:08,000 --> 04:14:13,000
And also, when they come over here, I just got to know that we have another, uh, project

3532
04:14:13,000 --> 04:14:16,000
Welcome, uh, big, big project going on.

3533
04:14:16,000 --> 04:14:20,000
So that's why, uh, I'm wondering that the, do you guys, uh, go through, uh,

3534
04:14:20,000 --> 04:14:26,000
through, uh, appropriate informed process, uh, so we can get a notice about all this, uh,

3535
04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:31,000
if change is going to happen, uh, you know, um, within about 10 to 20 years in the range.

3536
04:14:31,000 --> 04:14:35,000
Because we, uh, you know, uh, currently, I think there's, uh, uh, uh,

3537
04:14:35,000 --> 04:14:39,000
all the cities, uh, I personally just, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

3538
04:14:39,000 --> 04:14:41,000
need to be filled with that, uh, uh,

3539
04:14:41,000 --> 04:14:47,000
but you know, has been developed to some and to fast and also doesn't leave enough space for

3540
04:14:47,000 --> 04:14:54,000
our, uh, uh, future, uh, children, uh, you know, um, actually, um, look at the, uh,

3541
04:14:54,000 --> 04:15:00,000
the parks and also the rituals and then we, we are very low-racial, uh,

3542
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:09,500
You know, according to the person, percentage per people for the park area. So also, for my own experience,

3543
04:15:09,500 --> 04:15:15,000
current, I have two kids, one is in Kennedy Middle School. And, you know, five years ago,

3544
04:15:15,000 --> 04:15:23,000
two thousand nine, they are, you know, I know that's on six graders. They have a 400 or 500 students

3545
04:15:23,000 --> 04:15:30,000
for the sixth graders. And when my son's goes to Kennedy at that time, they're almost reach to 800.

3546
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:38,000
So double the size of the students, but, you know, the classroom, you know, everybody knows Kennedy still

3547
04:15:38,000 --> 04:15:44,000
have the old buildings, about the built 50 years ago. And the other thing is, you know, in large,

3548
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:50,000
but, you know, actually the students are already doubled. So giving all this effect, you know,

3549
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:57,000
you know, do you guys, you know, have to consider how to, you know, serve in our current, you know,

3550
04:15:57,000 --> 04:16:05,000
residents are better, you know, quality for the life and the quality for the, for the flow of kids.

3551
04:16:05,000 --> 04:16:12,000
Actually, we come over here, you know, to live here and try to build this city, we always the best.

3552
04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:20,000
But, you know, we wish our city to grow at our, you know, current to the, the best interest, you know,

3553
04:16:20,000 --> 04:16:26,000
for the local, I, you know, I personally want to go shopping a little bit more. At this time, you know, we really want to keep it.

3554
04:16:26,000 --> 04:16:33,000
But we don't know, that's what the best should be for us right now. So if we don't have any mature, kind of a plan,

3555
04:16:33,000 --> 04:16:38,000
how to develop, you know, a post shopping center, we think we should keep, as it is right now.

3556
04:16:38,000 --> 04:16:45,000
And then, after we find a better solution, rather than put, you know, put everything down,

3557
04:16:45,000 --> 04:16:53,000
close down and then put all the, you know, apartment buildings. So create more trouble in the schools and also the traffic.

3558
04:16:53,000 --> 04:16:59,000
Actually, this morning, I send my mom to the hospital and I drive down the Stephen Creek. I see that's,

3559
04:17:00,000 --> 04:17:05,000
you know, you know, the woman, that's, you know, people always take a woman by the scene Beijing.

3560
04:17:05,000 --> 04:17:12,000
But today is morning, I thought that's in no city. So that is something that we need to consider, you know, the traffic.

3561
04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:22,000
You know, actually, you know, there's really, something we're really to think about that before we put a more, you know, concrete building in this area.

3562
04:17:22,000 --> 04:17:28,000
So thank you so much for your, you know, for listening to me and then I wish you the best. Thank you.

3563
04:17:28,000 --> 04:17:29,000
Thank ya. Thank you.

3564
04:17:29,000 --> 04:17:30,000
That's ackatch.

3565
04:17:30,000 --> 04:17:35,000
This is being, sheee.

3566
04:17:35,000 --> 04:17:37,000
He tells me, sheee has a question.

3567
04:17:37,000 --> 04:17:38,000
Okay.

3568
04:17:38,000 --> 04:17:41,000
Okay. Thank you. How's your mom?

3569
04:17:41,000 --> 04:17:46,000
She's a very good bed, you know, she, you know, she is has some, you know,

3570
04:17:46,000 --> 04:17:48,000
but she is, she has some, you know,

3571
04:17:49,000 --> 04:17:52,000
reflex wrist.

3572
04:17:52,000 --> 04:17:56,000
She got a baby because you know, she's feeling like a baby,

3573
04:17:56,000 --> 04:18:03,040
her air condition, so something, but actually come over here and let's say, oh my, she's

3574
04:18:03,040 --> 04:18:10,080
going to do some stuff. Same thing, you know, you're saying, yeah, you're big in, so this

3575
04:18:10,080 --> 04:18:15,320
is something that's really to think about that, you know, actually, you know, we come over here,

3576
04:18:15,320 --> 04:18:22,120
we want better air condition solutions, you know, not to, you know, just embrace, oh my,

3577
04:18:23,120 --> 04:18:29,320
how should your mom do and why? My mom's hopefully she's doing well, but, you know, if

3578
04:18:29,320 --> 04:18:35,080
you brings everything to, you know, poetry to air, you know, how can you be happy, so we

3579
04:18:35,080 --> 04:18:41,320
want to see more grew in a grass area, to see more a library, and we want to know,

3580
04:18:41,320 --> 04:18:47,400
can't you educate all kids, you know, to the environment, there's harmony and also, they, even

3581
04:18:47,400 --> 04:18:53,800
today, I come over here, my daughter says, my daughter says, mom, why do you want to come over

3582
04:18:53,800 --> 04:18:59,800
here, you're not interested in any politics? I said, I have to be here, that's why I give me a reason.

3583
04:18:59,800 --> 04:19:05,800
I just gave her a wide reason, and she says, okay, mom, I support you to go, I said, why? So they are

3584
04:19:05,800 --> 04:19:11,240
going to put them more concrete, or, and if you set up the more partner for the students to play,

3585
04:19:11,240 --> 04:19:16,360
you know, for the board. Oh, my daughter says, oh, mom, you should go, I don't want to say concrete

3586
04:19:16,440 --> 04:19:21,080
anymore, you know, even that's in front of my fire, you know, you know, you know, that's everybody says,

3587
04:19:21,080 --> 04:19:27,000
we have a dropped area, and then Kubitino says, okay, you can, you know, 10 now to part of your

3588
04:19:27,000 --> 04:19:32,840
front loans to the concrete, drive ways. Thank you, this via have three other speakers, and I almost here

3589
04:19:32,840 --> 04:19:37,960
until like two o'clock in the morning. Thank you, and glad that your mom sounds good. I know that

3590
04:19:37,960 --> 04:19:42,760
whether in Beijing's getting a little bit better, but can't be here in California, can't be here in

3591
04:19:42,760 --> 04:19:48,280
California, she the last time I was in Beijing, the air was not as. I promise I will not be that energetic.

3592
04:19:49,560 --> 04:19:53,400
Mr. Woodaker is very energetic. It may or wrong, and city council on staff,

3593
04:19:54,520 --> 04:19:59,880
I'm a little naive, but I've been doing this for a long time in front of you. Which was supposed to be the

3594
04:19:59,880 --> 04:20:05,240
government of the people, by the people, for the people, but we seem to be dictated from up and sack of

3595
04:20:05,240 --> 04:20:11,560
mental down here. I would like you folks to take the initiative and get somebody from a bag and somebody

3596
04:20:11,560 --> 04:20:17,800
from our state government down here and let them take the heat that you guys are taking. There are a

3597
04:20:17,800 --> 04:20:26,840
couple of major contradictions that I've heard tonight. I saw the numbers 4,421 units. To me, that's

3598
04:20:26,840 --> 04:20:36,040
8,800 toilets, 8,800 sinks, probably about 9 to 10,000 people. Aren't we in a drought,

3599
04:20:36,520 --> 04:20:43,240
a penny, and I moved here in 1974. We moved here in the middle of a drought. I ask you the last time I was

3600
04:20:43,240 --> 04:20:50,280
here. Can you guarantee me when this drought's going to stop? How can we and cities around this plan on increase

3601
04:20:50,280 --> 04:20:57,080
and massively density? Well, we don't know when the water's thick, it's going to be turned on upstairs permanently

3602
04:20:57,080 --> 04:21:02,440
and we're not able to get the reserves that we need for our future. We're being asked to restrict,

3603
04:21:02,440 --> 04:21:08,920
restrict, yet the stupid states telling us to add, add. The second thing that's a little strange to

3604
04:21:08,920 --> 04:21:15,080
me in contradiction is I talked to Mr. Roadie earlier and I'm very glad to be a friend of his, but if we

3605
04:21:15,080 --> 04:21:21,000
lose JC Penne's and Macy's and Sears, all of which I shot, I asked Mr. Roadie, well, where's the nearest

3606
04:21:21,000 --> 04:21:26,600
JC Penne? So he said, well, you can go to East Ridge, or you can go to TAN for RAN, or you can go to

3607
04:21:26,600 --> 04:21:34,200
Fremont. Are we supposed to think about greenhouse gases and keeping the cars off the road? So I want

3608
04:21:34,200 --> 04:21:40,040
you to think about less density. I've said this before. We're not a city. We don't have a seas candy.

3609
04:21:40,040 --> 04:21:46,440
We don't have a hallmark. We don't have a bookstore. Let's get emphasis on retail back and cut the numbers down

3610
04:21:46,440 --> 04:21:51,880
on residents. Thank you. Can I ask Dennis? Yes, you mean? So it occurred. Have you talked to

3611
04:21:51,880 --> 04:21:58,840
come on Jerry Brown yet? He's on my list. Thank you. After Mr. Powell and after Mr. Roadie, he's next.

3612
04:21:58,840 --> 04:22:02,680
All right. Thank you. I thought you said you weren't going to get as excited as it was.

3613
04:22:02,680 --> 04:22:04,280
I'm not. It's.

3614
04:22:06,600 --> 04:22:12,280
Next speaker is Blair Volcobin. Volcobin?

3615
04:22:14,280 --> 04:22:20,360
Mayor Long, a city council and city staff. First and foremost, thank you for the time and substantial efforts

3616
04:22:20,360 --> 04:22:25,640
that have gone into this over the last year and a half. My name is Blair Volcobin and our family's

3617
04:22:25,640 --> 04:22:30,680
been the owner and occupant of Stephen's Creek office center as well as the peats in Panera. For the last 40

3618
04:22:30,680 --> 04:22:38,120
plus years, and we continue to continue our ownership for the next 40 years. We're proud to be owners and

3619
04:22:38,120 --> 04:22:43,640
such a great city and we've been dedicated to maintaining the property to high standards and both good

3620
04:22:43,640 --> 04:22:48,520
and bad economic times. However, we must acknowledge that there will come a time in the property.

3621
04:22:49,080 --> 04:22:53,800
Well, about lived its useful life and need to be redeveloped as we saw with good earth restaurant.

3622
04:22:54,440 --> 04:22:58,440
We must adapt to meet demand in order to compete with all the recently improved projects and new

3623
04:22:58,440 --> 04:23:03,080
development throughout Silicon Valley. These days, tenants are looking for a amenity rich,

3624
04:23:03,080 --> 04:23:10,520
sustainable projects with subterranean parking, 12 foot ceilings, improved finishes, larger open floor plans.

3625
04:23:11,560 --> 04:23:17,240
That allows for collaborative environments and this is unfortunately just can't be achieved with

3626
04:23:17,240 --> 04:23:22,120
the product that we have currently on our site. We're very fortunate that Apple's taking a large

3627
04:23:22,120 --> 04:23:27,160
position in Gupertino and our property over the years, which is kept occupancy high, but we were

3628
04:23:27,160 --> 04:23:32,280
worried that Apple will vacate data building such as ours once the new campus is completed, leaving a

3629
04:23:32,280 --> 04:23:37,560
glut of older product available. This occurred at our project upon completion of their current headquarters

3630
04:23:37,560 --> 04:23:44,440
when they occupied 95% of our project and then vacated shortly thereafter. We admittedly cannot predict

3631
04:23:44,440 --> 04:23:48,280
the future and if Apple were to downsize, it would be felt throughout Carbertino.

3632
04:23:49,160 --> 04:23:53,240
Given all this, we're asking City Council to increase the height limit of the majority of our site

3633
04:23:53,240 --> 04:23:58,200
to a minimum of 60 feet or four stories these days. We're open to keeping the height limit along

3634
04:23:58,200 --> 04:24:02,840
Stephen's Creek in line with the surrounding developments and how to the City Plan. And we envision

3635
04:24:02,840 --> 04:24:07,800
the standalone retail and mixed use development along Stephen's Creek with a setback office structure.

3636
04:24:07,800 --> 04:24:11,560
This would allow us to address the parking issues that currently existed Peats in Pinerum,

3637
04:24:11,560 --> 04:24:16,120
as well as the demand from our office tenants, and would nicely tie into the new stage way

3638
04:24:16,120 --> 04:24:21,720
and hold food developments. It would also allow us for us to provide new retail along Stephen's Creek

3639
04:24:21,720 --> 04:24:26,120
and ultimately sales revenue to the City, as well as additional public space and seating areas

3640
04:24:26,120 --> 04:24:31,640
near the retail along Stephen's Creek sidewalk. We believe the site can handle additional height

3641
04:24:31,640 --> 04:24:37,240
and density for a multitude of reasons. First, the effects of neighboring residents is

3642
04:24:37,240 --> 04:24:42,200
and can be mitigated, given the depth of the site, and location boards the east by the new

3643
04:24:42,200 --> 04:24:49,080
stageway development, and target west by Whole Foods and South by the Cupertino Crossroads retail center.

3644
04:24:49,080 --> 04:24:54,440
We will also propose a significant setback in the rear, as well as the addition of new trees and landscaping.

3645
04:24:55,400 --> 04:25:01,160
Second, it's proximity to Highway 85, location along a transit corridor, and proximity to amenities

3646
04:25:01,160 --> 04:25:05,320
will hopefully limit the traffic impact and provides a urban, walkable location.

3647
04:25:06,040 --> 04:25:09,640
Finally, given we're in no immediate rush to develop, we will have plenty of time to work with the

3648
04:25:09,640 --> 04:25:15,080
City, neighborhoods, and architects. Plenty of time to design a thoughtful, well-planned sustainable

3649
04:25:15,080 --> 04:25:19,000
development will complement Cupertino, and hopefully a new Cupertino itself.

3650
04:25:20,200 --> 04:25:22,120
Can I ask if there's any questions I do?

3651
04:25:23,400 --> 04:25:26,520
You would not ask in full the housing element, I was in unit, why?

3652
04:25:27,080 --> 04:25:32,200
If it precludes us from office development, which is currently on the site, and as experience, we're

3653
04:25:32,200 --> 04:25:35,800
asking to be removed from our housing element as a primary site.

3654
04:25:35,800 --> 04:25:40,920
Okay, so, but do you want to ask in full the height to go up on 45 feet to 60 feet?

3655
04:25:40,920 --> 04:25:46,200
That's correct. We would prefer 75 feet, given it would give us a little bit more architectural

3656
04:25:46,200 --> 04:25:51,320
creativity, and ultimately lead to what we believe would be a less dense development,

3657
04:25:51,320 --> 04:25:59,800
allow for some more open space, but 60 feet is the minimum economic that we would need in order to

3658
04:25:59,800 --> 04:26:05,160
redevelop. How many units do we have a sign for your site?

3659
04:26:06,040 --> 04:26:10,920
From a housing element, at the standpoint, I believe it's 25 units currently.

3660
04:26:11,560 --> 04:26:15,240
That could be how many units? I believe the planning was 35.

3661
04:26:15,240 --> 04:26:16,920
Recommendation was 35 units.

3662
04:26:17,960 --> 04:26:21,560
But you don't mind we remove the housing unit at all.

3663
04:26:23,240 --> 04:26:27,640
It would ultimately, if it precludes us from office development again, yes,

3664
04:26:27,720 --> 04:26:33,160
though we do see it as a very good housing element site, and we would definitely study that in the

3665
04:26:33,160 --> 04:26:37,880
future if we were to be nominated as one of the primary sites.

3666
04:26:37,880 --> 04:26:44,520
So, fully, Emily, you should check in for us. We give you the height, and then you will take

3667
04:26:44,520 --> 04:26:51,320
all of the housing units. That is correct. Okay, all right. Being a housing element site does not preclude

3668
04:26:51,320 --> 04:26:56,200
you from anything else. It just means you would be housing element site.

3669
04:26:57,080 --> 04:27:02,520
I would say that first and foremost, we would look to likely do office development, given that as,

3670
04:27:02,520 --> 04:27:04,040
again, what's currently at the site.

3671
04:27:07,880 --> 04:27:17,720
Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh, yes. I think in there, in that, in what you told us,

3672
04:27:17,800 --> 04:27:25,800
your intention would be to scrape the thing, the office that you currently have,

3673
04:27:25,800 --> 04:27:32,920
leave beneath the piece and there. Sorry, it is getting late. And then continue the retail

3674
04:27:34,040 --> 04:27:41,640
from where a piece goes today all the way along to Hall Foods, do you own that entire parcel?

3675
04:27:41,640 --> 04:27:46,760
We do on that entire parcel. Is that your, would that be your intention would be to leave an

3676
04:27:46,760 --> 04:27:52,280
entry that would access the, uh, the rear office redevelopment? Okay. And then the office building

3677
04:27:52,280 --> 04:27:58,120
that is currently along Steven's Creek, we would plan to tear down and create retail in line with,

3678
04:27:58,120 --> 04:28:02,760
is, would we have retail some Whole Foods all the way down? That is correct.

3679
04:28:02,760 --> 04:28:06,280
Past your property, the Target, etc. That is correct. That is correct. And a lower height limit

3680
04:28:06,280 --> 04:28:12,440
then what we're asking for the office development setback. Okay. God, thank you. Yes.

3681
04:28:13,160 --> 04:28:15,640
Thank you. Thank you very much.

3682
04:28:17,480 --> 04:28:24,120
Didn't speaker, um, I have another to pick up, but no, uh, last name and no address. Okay. There you are.

3683
04:28:26,440 --> 04:28:31,240
You're last in please. Yes, my name is Deepika Patak and I would like to thank you all for

3684
04:28:31,240 --> 04:28:36,440
giving me the opportunity to speak. Um, I'm speaking on behalf of many, many Cooperating or Residents

3685
04:28:36,440 --> 04:28:42,840
who just recently came to know about all of this activity. I sincerely applaud many people that

3686
04:28:42,840 --> 04:28:49,160
I met here today that have attended 20, 22 meetings, which I didn't even know, uh, were happening. And I'm

3687
04:28:49,160 --> 04:28:56,840
not completely out of the, you know, news. So I think that I will try to make myself understand and become

3688
04:28:56,840 --> 04:29:02,680
more aware, but we can also improve some communications. Um, I am listing a lot of concerns that

3689
04:29:02,680 --> 04:29:08,280
I got via texts and people watching online as they had to go home and they couldn't wait.

3690
04:29:09,000 --> 04:29:15,640
Uh, some of the concerns as you've heard more eloquently put were about the concentration of

3691
04:29:15,640 --> 04:29:21,640
impacting high middle school and Cooper Tno High and as you approve or not approve this plan,

3692
04:29:21,640 --> 04:29:26,360
will you have some contingencies or do you have some plan of actions of how you're going to make

3693
04:29:26,360 --> 04:29:31,480
high support more students? Because many of us feel that the numbers that were shown about projected

3694
04:29:32,440 --> 04:29:37,880
generation were not really accurate. Uh, at least on my street, we have two kids on average that are

3695
04:29:37,880 --> 04:29:44,600
going to school that go to high and Cooper Tno and the number of 40 or whatever it was just didn't seem right.

3696
04:29:44,600 --> 04:29:49,400
So what are you going to do? Are we going to put modular there and high middle school? Are we going to be

3697
04:29:49,400 --> 04:29:54,280
hiring more teachers? How many? Because it's all very difficult to get it all the electives that we want.

3698
04:29:54,280 --> 04:30:00,120
Uh, but there's more details. Uh, second was the lessons have we learned lessons from the tragic incident?

3699
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:06,000
That just happened because it doesn't seem like it, but hopefully we can consider that some more.

3700
04:30:06,000 --> 04:30:12,000
Third was, how we considered how we're going to take the impact to the libraries,

3701
04:30:12,000 --> 04:30:18,000
Cupertino Recreation Center. So awesome. I love it. And there's so many great activities, swimming classes,

3702
04:30:18,000 --> 04:30:22,000
and Maddalumpia, that gets filled on the first day and you have to join a lottery, and you know,

3703
04:30:22,000 --> 04:30:31,000
so we'll be able to support and sustain all of those high-quality programs that we have, you know, come to expect from Cupertino by adding so many students that, you know,

3704
04:30:31,000 --> 04:30:40,000
for planning on right now. And have we considered how we're going to hire the teachers, and accommodate, is it going to be a one step process, is it going to take several years?

3705
04:30:40,000 --> 04:30:47,000
There are many, many things to consider, and we hope that, as you've lumped many, many topics all in one day, one night,

3706
04:30:47,000 --> 04:30:52,000
can you please provide us more visibility? Because perhaps we might be able to approve some of this,

3707
04:30:52,000 --> 04:30:57,000
but right now I just see a lot more questions and very, very few answers.

3708
04:30:57,000 --> 04:30:58,000
Thank you.

3709
04:30:58,000 --> 04:30:59,000
Thank you very much.

3710
04:30:59,000 --> 04:31:04,000
The next speaker I have is on you, and she did not put her last name or an address.

3711
04:31:04,000 --> 04:31:08,000
Do we have a on you with no last name and no address?

3712
04:31:08,000 --> 04:31:17,000
The next speaker is S-O-W-M-Y-A, last name is S-U-B-R-A-M-A-N-I-A-M.

3713
04:31:17,000 --> 04:31:22,000
I apologize. It's getting late, and I don't even want to but you're your name.

3714
04:31:22,000 --> 04:31:23,000
Can you help me with your name, please?

3715
04:31:23,000 --> 04:31:25,000
Yes. My name is Salmiya Subramanim.

3716
04:31:25,000 --> 04:31:26,000
Thank you. See you soon.

3717
04:31:26,000 --> 04:31:27,000
Thank you.

3718
04:31:27,000 --> 04:31:31,000
Thank you. I've got you to say that many times now.

3719
04:31:31,000 --> 04:31:33,000
Don't take me a year.

3720
04:31:34,000 --> 04:31:39,000
Okay. Thank you so much for the opportunity to come up and speak to the City Council.

3721
04:31:39,000 --> 04:31:41,000
I'm everybody here.

3722
04:31:41,000 --> 04:31:46,000
I have been preceded by plenty of people who've put it eloquently,

3723
04:31:46,000 --> 04:31:51,000
really, very effectively to saying that to put it succinctly.

3724
04:31:51,000 --> 04:32:01,000
This proposal is basically sending all those extra housing, all those extra students, all on the east side.

3725
04:32:01,000 --> 04:32:06,000
And that's where I live, and that's where my kids go to school at Hyde Middle School.

3726
04:32:06,000 --> 04:32:12,000
And Hyde right now is at 985 students, and you're projecting a bunch more coming in,

3727
04:32:12,000 --> 04:32:15,000
and we are again at full capacity.

3728
04:32:15,000 --> 04:32:20,000
We had our entire black top was taken down and we have modulars already set up there.

3729
04:32:20,000 --> 04:32:24,000
So our kids do not play volleyball outside anymore.

3730
04:32:24,000 --> 04:32:33,000
So those kind of small issues really snowball into a larger situation where, you know,

3731
04:32:33,000 --> 04:32:36,000
the kids are impacted really adversely.

3732
04:32:36,000 --> 04:32:45,000
And it really, I don't see how it can be considered equitable for the City of Cupertino and the school district

3733
04:32:45,000 --> 04:32:51,000
to have so many all these extra, what 600 housing units at the Walko,

3734
04:32:51,000 --> 04:32:56,000
and then another 600 over there at Hampton, you know, close to a thousand.

3735
04:32:56,000 --> 04:33:02,000
I mean, it's 90% of your expected numbers is all over there on one side.

3736
04:33:02,000 --> 04:33:08,000
So there was another gentleman who had his proposal where he showed how it could be spread out across,

3737
04:33:08,000 --> 04:33:10,000
and some on the OX village and all of that.

3738
04:33:10,000 --> 04:33:17,000
So I would, you know, hope that, you know, the council would seriously look into that,

3739
04:33:17,000 --> 04:33:23,000
and think about all the adverse effects of concentrating everything on the east side of Cupertino,

3740
04:33:23,000 --> 04:33:27,000
and, you know, stay away from that proposal and some analysis.

3741
04:33:27,000 --> 04:33:29,000
You know, we cannot have no development.

3742
04:33:29,000 --> 04:33:31,000
I mean, this is a Silicon Valley.

3743
04:33:31,000 --> 04:33:34,000
We are, you know, population is expanding.

3744
04:33:34,000 --> 04:33:35,000
We are growing.

3745
04:33:35,000 --> 04:33:38,000
But please make it equitable across the board.

3746
04:33:38,000 --> 04:33:41,000
All those people in the hills, they need to absorb some of these too.

3747
04:33:41,000 --> 04:33:43,000
And how about the ones on the west side?

3748
04:33:43,000 --> 04:33:46,000
How about some of the, you know, children going to those schools?

3749
04:33:46,000 --> 04:33:49,000
So it's really unfair to put it all on the east side.

3750
04:33:49,000 --> 04:33:51,000
And sure, it's going to turn into a ghetto.

3751
04:33:51,000 --> 04:33:56,000
It all, you know, trees that way based on how we are being treated.

3752
04:33:56,000 --> 04:33:57,000
And we vote you to power.

3753
04:33:57,000 --> 04:34:02,000
We would expect you and we would really hope that you would consider our, you know,

3754
04:34:02,000 --> 04:34:05,000
our requirements and try and make it fair.

3755
04:34:05,000 --> 04:34:10,000
And value of life be equitable across the board.

3756
04:34:10,000 --> 04:34:11,000
Thank you so much for your time.

3757
04:34:11,000 --> 04:34:12,000
Thank you very much.

3758
04:34:12,000 --> 04:34:20,000
The next speaker is Jason Lungard, followed by Lisa Warren, followed by Rachel Cow,

3759
04:34:20,000 --> 04:34:24,000
followed by Yon Pin Zhang.

3760
04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:30,000
Hello, I'm Jason Lungard with Apple.

3761
04:34:30,000 --> 04:34:36,000
I'm here to encourage the council to, to adopt this efficient amount of office allocation,

3762
04:34:36,000 --> 04:34:38,000
to allow reasonable growth in the city.

3763
04:34:38,000 --> 04:34:41,000
The general plan is intended to be a 25 year document.

3764
04:34:41,000 --> 04:34:46,000
And then the amount of office space available for growth needs to reflect that.

3765
04:34:46,000 --> 04:34:54,000
In addition, we'd recommend that you retain the existing allocation of office squares for major companies.

3766
04:34:54,000 --> 04:34:58,000
That was put in place to give the flexibility.

3767
04:34:58,000 --> 04:35:06,000
Strategically look at opportunities to to attract to retain sales, sales tax generating entities.

3768
04:35:06,000 --> 04:35:10,000
And I think that's important thing as you go forward.

3769
04:35:10,000 --> 04:35:19,000
Given the long-term nature of the general plan, I think something along the lines of alternative C is probably more appropriate for the amount of office space.

3770
04:35:19,000 --> 04:35:25,000
Although I'm sure there's a range of office space that you could consider.

3771
04:35:25,000 --> 04:35:31,000
I think the last thing that we want to do as a city is kind of create a really constrained world for office space,

3772
04:35:31,000 --> 04:35:38,000
which will cause kind of a natter rush for developers to try and claim that square footage and build, you know,

3773
04:35:38,000 --> 04:35:40,000
rush to build a project immediately.

3774
04:35:40,000 --> 04:35:47,000
Something kind of longer-term allows us to be more thoughtful and deliberate about the projects that we've proven.

3775
04:35:47,000 --> 04:35:50,000
Thank you for your consideration.

3776
04:35:50,000 --> 04:35:56,000
Next speaker is Lisa Warren.

3777
04:35:56,000 --> 04:35:57,000
Hi.

3778
04:35:57,000 --> 04:36:02,000
So there's so many people in the same good points and I'm so pleased to see so many residents.

3779
04:36:02,000 --> 04:36:03,000
Thank you.

3780
04:36:03,000 --> 04:36:11,000
Because this is a way I come to more meetings than I like, but it's usually a lot less populated.

3781
04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:20,000
I'm disappointed that all of these names left before they could speak, because I think you'd hear more of the saying.

3782
04:36:20,000 --> 04:36:23,000
These signs that are being held up, I can't see.

3783
04:36:23,000 --> 04:36:29,000
I think most of them were saying enough.

3784
04:36:29,000 --> 04:36:31,000
There's so many things to say.

3785
04:36:31,000 --> 04:36:34,000
I think we had a mini demonstration in here tonight.

3786
04:36:34,000 --> 04:36:38,000
We had high density and overcrowding right in this building.

3787
04:36:38,000 --> 04:36:40,000
And what did it do?

3788
04:36:40,000 --> 04:36:45,000
It created discomfort, confusion, disruption, and safety concerns.

3789
04:36:45,000 --> 04:36:49,000
Voila.

3790
04:36:49,000 --> 04:36:54,000
I think that needs to be thought of when you go through this process.

3791
04:36:54,000 --> 04:37:03,000
I think it's clear that most of these people are for the no project alternative or A if need B.

3792
04:37:04,000 --> 04:37:16,000
It scares me that we're being bullied by the HCD as Mark Centaro hinted at, you know, why do they require these things that create other issues?

3793
04:37:16,000 --> 04:37:29,000
And if that's the case and there's no way around that, I think you need to be really, really careful to minimize the density, the height, the encroachment of all other components besides the housing, which means,

3794
04:37:29,000 --> 04:37:39,000
you can't have it all and if you're forced to have the housing, you got to be careful with the rest of it.

3795
04:37:39,000 --> 04:37:41,000
Less is more.

3796
04:37:41,000 --> 04:37:44,000
Please remember that. Less is more.

3797
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:50,000
I don't think any of you moved here to be in the kind of city that we are becoming.

3798
04:37:50,000 --> 04:37:53,000
I certainly didn't 28 years ago.

3799
04:37:53,000 --> 04:37:55,000
Yeah, 28.

3800
04:37:55,000 --> 04:37:58,000
Don't ask me why I'm still here.

3801
04:37:59,000 --> 04:38:06,000
I think there's a few phrases that you really need to be aware of and be aware of.

3802
04:38:06,000 --> 04:38:10,000
They're insufficiently defined phrases such as retail component.

3803
04:38:10,000 --> 04:38:15,000
There's questions all the time. What does that mean? If we're allowing a retail component, what the heck is that?

3804
04:38:15,000 --> 04:38:18,000
There's too much wiggle room for developers.

3805
04:38:18,000 --> 04:38:27,000
Community benefits and other one never identified mentioned earlier that it was kind of snuck in there as a way around some things, but that doesn't help.

3806
04:38:27,000 --> 04:38:31,000
It's too vague and significant and unavoidable.

3807
04:38:31,000 --> 04:38:37,000
I am so sick of those two words and everyone being okay when they show up on a report.

3808
04:38:37,000 --> 04:38:39,000
Oh, well, carry on.

3809
04:38:39,000 --> 04:38:42,000
Build.

3810
04:38:42,000 --> 04:38:45,000
It's just frustrating.

3811
04:38:45,000 --> 04:38:54,000
And I am so happy there's so many more people here tonight to share that frustration and to get the message across.

3812
04:38:54,000 --> 04:38:59,000
There's a whole lot more I want to say, but I think I can sum it up.

3813
04:38:59,000 --> 04:39:01,000
Thank you Lisa your time is off. Yes. Thank you.

3814
04:39:01,000 --> 04:39:02,000
Thank you.

3815
04:39:02,000 --> 04:39:06,000
Julie said I didn't think I was that subtle, but thanks.

3816
04:39:06,000 --> 04:39:19,000
Next week her is a winging cow winging followed by a young pink cow followed by a sway may blow all by Steven Scharf.

3817
04:39:20,000 --> 04:39:24,000
Hi. Hi. Thank you to give me opportunity to speak.

3818
04:39:24,000 --> 04:39:26,000
My name is Weedin.

3819
04:39:26,000 --> 04:39:30,000
And I'm here to thank my other resident.

3820
04:39:30,000 --> 04:39:40,000
Speak today and to state my opposition to the housing plan, which will mainly happen in the east side of Gubertino.

3821
04:39:40,000 --> 04:39:55,000
And because those we now will bring active impact over current public systems, which include traffic and schools and environment.

3822
04:39:55,000 --> 04:40:01,000
And especially impact the quality of our daily life.

3823
04:40:01,000 --> 04:40:09,000
And we all know, we all proud of Gubertino because Gubertino was considered as one of the best living.

3824
04:40:09,000 --> 04:40:20,000
Small tongue for people to live, but the housing elements which proposed today may change the entire history.

3825
04:40:20,000 --> 04:40:37,000
So other than the traffic schools and environment and another aspect of public supporting system is already overloaded and compare the libraries.

3826
04:40:37,000 --> 04:40:45,000
So if you visit the library very often, you will see it's very hard to find space for kids to sit.

3827
04:40:45,000 --> 04:40:49,000
And also it's very hard to find a parking spot.

3828
04:40:49,000 --> 04:41:03,000
If you visit a library with kids, but how if we bring in more residents, how the local public system can support more, how you can build more libraries.

3829
04:41:03,000 --> 04:41:07,000
How you can handle those much new residents.

3830
04:41:07,000 --> 04:41:16,000
And also, we also need grocery stores for shopping.

3831
04:41:16,000 --> 04:41:22,000
And we also need parks and recreational areas and recreational centers.

3832
04:41:22,000 --> 04:41:30,000
And we also need sports field for our kids to play soccer as one of the councilmen asked today.

3833
04:41:30,000 --> 04:41:36,000
So which we need to consider before we put in everything together.

3834
04:41:36,000 --> 04:41:43,000
So we cannot bring in more people, but not bring in more green grass area.

3835
04:41:43,000 --> 04:41:46,000
And do not consider any environmental impact.

3836
04:41:46,000 --> 04:41:48,000
Do not consider any traffic.

3837
04:41:48,000 --> 04:41:53,000
Do not consider the whole quality of the residents.

3838
04:41:53,000 --> 04:42:01,000
And also compare with the Dienza.

3839
04:42:01,000 --> 04:42:12,000
If you think about the answer, if you work the close to Apple campus.

3840
04:42:12,000 --> 04:42:22,000
So the residents who live near to any Apple campus area already claim the traffic.

3841
04:42:22,000 --> 04:42:25,000
Thank you very much.

3842
04:42:25,000 --> 04:42:33,000
The next speaker is young King Shaw.

3843
04:42:33,000 --> 04:42:40,000
So city members, thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak.

3844
04:42:40,000 --> 04:42:46,000
And here to express my objection to the proposed draft housing elements,

3845
04:42:46,000 --> 04:42:53,000
along the Quirchino, along Stephen's Creek, primarily in a walk-home area.

3846
04:42:53,000 --> 04:42:59,000
The reason is the traffic along the Quirchino, along the Stephen's Creek,

3847
04:42:59,000 --> 04:43:02,000
is already very congested and heavy.

3848
04:43:02,000 --> 04:43:06,000
I know this because my son goes to Hyde Middle.

3849
04:43:06,000 --> 04:43:11,000
So every morning I drive him along the Stephen's Creek.

3850
04:43:11,000 --> 04:43:16,000
And then past the walk-home, I have been doing this for three years.

3851
04:43:16,000 --> 04:43:26,000
And the distance is like 2.5 miles and take me at least 20 minutes to give you an idea of how slow it is.

3852
04:43:26,000 --> 04:43:32,000
An ordinary man can run the same distance at a pretty much the same time.

3853
04:43:32,000 --> 04:43:37,000
So once we sort about an option would be my husband.

3854
04:43:37,000 --> 04:43:44,000
My son, they run to Hyde every morning because you know, the reason.

3855
04:43:44,000 --> 04:43:52,000
So this new housing elements and the Apple new campus,

3856
04:43:52,000 --> 04:43:58,000
definitely the traffic will inevitably become even worse.

3857
04:43:58,000 --> 04:44:06,000
And then this means that our kids will be exposed to even greater danger of traffic accidents and tragedies.

3858
04:44:06,000 --> 04:44:09,000
And we all remember the last week's tragedy.

3859
04:44:09,000 --> 04:44:13,000
That's a direct result of congestion traffic.

3860
04:44:13,000 --> 04:44:18,000
I hope we don't have to see another tragedy of pressure's young life.

3861
04:44:18,000 --> 04:44:26,000
Before we stop this crazy plan, this crazy plan of building more and more housing units,

3862
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:30,000
along the already very congested streets.

3863
04:44:30,000 --> 04:44:35,000
Another thing I want to say is actually, we, the Corporate General residents,

3864
04:44:35,000 --> 04:44:39,000
we have started a petition in change.org.

3865
04:44:39,000 --> 04:44:42,000
And then I want to read the first paragraph.

3866
04:44:42,000 --> 04:44:52,000
Dear the Corporate General City member, we do not agree with the proposed of reasoning of size for conformance,

3867
04:44:52,000 --> 04:44:55,000
be general plan and housing elements.

3868
04:44:55,000 --> 04:45:00,000
Within like a week, we have already collected.

3869
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:11,280
730 and 34 signatures. And I believe we'll get more signatures as time goes. I think this number of signatures

3870
04:45:11,280 --> 04:45:23,840
is already large enough to express our residents' strong object opinions to this general plan and housing. I know our city need

3871
04:45:23,840 --> 04:45:32,240
to grow. But I don't want this growth to be accomplished at a cost of our quality of life and the

3872
04:45:32,240 --> 04:45:36,560
lives of our children. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jean, a nice person. I ask a

3873
04:45:36,560 --> 04:45:47,280
question. May this is so. So did you initiate the change in our work? No. No. I didn't initiate it. But it was

3874
04:45:47,280 --> 04:45:57,600
provided very, very fast. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Schwameh Lowe, followed by Stephen Scharf,

3875
04:45:57,600 --> 04:46:12,000
followed by Leon Schall. Schwameh Lowe is she here. Are he she or he? No. Next speaker is Stephen Scharf.

3876
04:46:12,960 --> 04:46:30,720
I saw Stephen. Is Leon Schall here? Leon. Good morning. I'm speaking for the 53,000 residents

3877
04:46:30,720 --> 04:46:38,400
that aren't here. So I would like 159,000 minutes. Is that okay, Mayor Wong? Probably not.

3878
04:46:38,400 --> 04:46:48,480
First, I would like to agree with several other speakers. It's already past midnight. The housing

3879
04:46:48,480 --> 04:46:53,120
element should be separated from the rest of the general plan amendments or you're going to be hurt

3880
04:46:53,120 --> 04:47:02,960
all Thursday not just the rest of tomorrow. Well, it's today. The big thing here is we have to do these

3881
04:47:02,960 --> 04:47:09,520
1,000 to units, but they don't all have to be in East Cooper, Tino. We need to spread the pain

3882
04:47:10,320 --> 04:47:15,680
among the three high schools and three middle schools that are located in our city. And that's not being

3883
04:47:15,680 --> 04:47:24,560
done now. I attended one of the exercises that the city staff did with the little buildings of different sizes.

3884
04:47:24,560 --> 04:47:31,440
It was really an insult to the residents. We didn't really have any opportunity to give realistic input

3885
04:47:31,440 --> 04:47:37,200
as to what we wanted. So when you make your decision here tonight, I would urge you to disregard

3886
04:47:37,200 --> 04:47:44,960
any results of that exercise and instead pay attention to the allocations suggested by Dr. Lom and

3887
04:47:44,960 --> 04:47:50,960
Bob McGibbon because those are realistic representations of what the residents would like to see.

3888
04:47:52,480 --> 04:47:58,800
I would also like to offer up my property to the housing allocation. I would like 108 feet height

3889
04:47:59,600 --> 04:48:07,840
and 9 floors, and I would like to be able to sell those as condominiums. So please add that I can give you my address later.

3890
04:48:10,160 --> 04:48:15,120
Also, the Cooper Tino in, I don't know if he's still here, but it does not the ugliest building in

3891
04:48:15,120 --> 04:48:21,840
Cooper Tino. That is the building on Steven's Creek and Deans of the brick building that looks like a prison.

3892
04:48:22,160 --> 04:48:32,000
And a switaker, he needs to go to JCPenney. Well, there's buses and he can take them. He doesn't have to drive this car.

3893
04:48:33,360 --> 04:48:41,040
Finally, the Sierra Club. Back when we did measures D&E, the National Sierra Club had a statement on its website

3894
04:48:41,600 --> 04:48:51,040
urging that urban sprawl be avoided by building housing in areas with rapid transit, trains, light rail.

3895
04:48:51,440 --> 04:48:57,840
We don't have that in Cooper Tino and we never will. We put that quote in our arguments for D&E,

3896
04:48:57,840 --> 04:49:01,440
and I got a nasty letter from the Loma Prea to chapter in the Sierra Club,

3897
04:49:02,000 --> 04:49:06,640
of which I'd been a member for 30 years saying you can't say that we support

3898
04:49:08,080 --> 04:49:14,240
that we're against D&E and I said we never said that. All we said was the Sierra Club does not want

3899
04:49:14,800 --> 04:49:21,840
all this housing in areas with no rapid transit. We are not getting rapid transit. VTA cut bus

3900
04:49:21,840 --> 04:49:27,760
service to Cooper Tino several years ago, and it's not going to change. Thank you, Steven. Your time is up. Thank you.

3901
04:49:45,200 --> 04:49:54,080
Dear Consolman members, sorry for the handwritten note that I wasn't planning on speaking today,

3902
04:49:54,080 --> 04:50:02,480
but then after listening to the informative talks by the Zizz Senior Planner, I feel I have to point

3903
04:50:02,480 --> 04:50:09,440
something out. I realized that there are a lot of meetings and workshops over the 18 months

3904
04:50:09,440 --> 04:50:19,440
which you know and things to know about. And then, as pointed out by the Planner, 180 people attended

3905
04:50:19,440 --> 04:50:30,400
the four workshops out of 58,000 residents, that's 0.29% of participation. Not counting a person

3906
04:50:30,400 --> 04:50:37,280
might have attended a three or four workshops, right? That's not a 10 year offer. And maybe 50% of

3907
04:50:37,280 --> 04:50:46,080
them are developers. So the percentage of even lower. Well, even if you count only against adults,

3908
04:50:46,080 --> 04:50:55,120
that's 0.58% and then we keep hearing that community input says, we they approve this how many

3909
04:50:55,120 --> 04:51:03,760
percent of that community input, so many slides are community input. But then this community input as you

3910
04:51:03,760 --> 04:51:14,240
can see is irrelevant. I know that you guys apparently spend time analyzing data. Thank you for that,

3911
04:51:14,240 --> 04:51:25,040
but that data isn't valid. Could we? I'm begging you. I beg you, City Councilman. That's just,

3912
04:51:25,040 --> 04:51:33,600
this is our future, our City's future. Let's start over. So we can have a valid workshop with

3913
04:51:33,760 --> 04:51:48,240
valid community input. And the second, I also, they pointed out that there is a

3914
04:51:48,240 --> 04:51:56,640
computer, GPA website, general planning amendment. I didn't sign up for the email list. I didn't know

3915
04:51:56,640 --> 04:52:03,280
about you that I saw probably many people did. But as pointed out by the presenter, the email list

3916
04:52:03,280 --> 04:52:16,480
has 250 people. Out of 58,000 residents. Did you guys everyone do? How come you have so many

3917
04:52:16,480 --> 04:52:23,840
in different residents? Did you feel frustrated that no one seems to care about this process?

3918
04:52:23,840 --> 04:52:38,480
Yes. So first point, data from the community input, I wish you scratch that. The second one,

3919
04:52:39,280 --> 04:52:47,920
the emergency impact report. Emergency impact report. You guys talk about general student

3920
04:52:47,920 --> 04:52:59,520
generation rate. And the data is from consultant. And from the document, I calculated 0.4 students

3921
04:52:59,520 --> 04:53:08,400
per family. But then from the table, you provided the rate is actually 0.3 to students per family.

3922
04:53:09,120 --> 04:53:16,720
Who has 0.3 to students per family? Whichever who they are, I don't know. So I have a seriously

3923
04:53:16,720 --> 04:53:24,240
have to doubt. All these consultants. How did they get their number? Did they get their number

3924
04:53:24,240 --> 04:53:31,600
from outer space, from all California, from all the desert region? We are living here in Cupertino,

3925
04:53:32,560 --> 04:53:38,800
in an area that everyone moved here for the great schools. Okay, one of our member Chris,

3926
04:53:39,120 --> 04:53:48,560
she got an analysis from Cupertino since the data. He compares the data between 2000

3927
04:53:49,200 --> 04:53:56,960
and 2010. And look at the growth, the number of increase in residences and the number of increase.

3928
04:53:56,960 --> 04:54:07,920
Thank you very much. So I have a group here of six people and they want to speak in this particular

3929
04:54:09,760 --> 04:54:20,160
Yes, where's your 1.72 student data come from? It's using the census data. I can, it's kind of complicated

3930
04:54:20,160 --> 04:54:29,040
to come. So I compare the number of increase in number of families. So that means those are new families.

3931
04:54:29,040 --> 04:54:35,280
And then you compare the number of increase in the age. They have the age from age 5 to 17.

3932
04:54:35,520 --> 04:54:43,920
And so then you divide that data how many kids per new families moved in? Okay, okay.

3933
04:54:43,920 --> 04:54:48,400
All right. So I think this way should fire these consultants, get new consultants.

3934
04:54:51,600 --> 04:54:57,120
Again, I'm going to ask you not to clap or else I will have the deputy escort you out and you can sit in the lobby. It's very

3935
04:54:57,200 --> 04:55:04,880
important, please. I have a request, which is fine, that you wanted to be in order of six folks.

3936
04:55:04,880 --> 04:55:09,680
And I just want to check again if the six folks are here and if the six people are here, you can have all six

3937
04:55:09,680 --> 04:55:19,760
coming up, please. The first one is Eric Schaffer. Yes. Okay, followed by Tom Puyke,

3938
04:55:20,480 --> 04:55:28,640
followed by Sashima Sharish. Is that person here? Thank you. You know followed by

3939
04:55:29,680 --> 04:55:35,200
N-A-G-A-P-R-I-Y-A. Yeah, I'm here. Okay, could you please stand up next behind her, please?

3940
04:55:36,080 --> 04:55:44,080
Followed by, and it's spelled as S-A-R-A-N-A. Okay, if you can comment down over here, please.

3941
04:55:44,720 --> 04:55:52,800
And then the six person is Chris Bencher, Chris. Okay, and then just a quick question, Eric, is that

3942
04:55:52,800 --> 04:55:57,440
are you all speaking as one group or are you just going to go in that particular order? We'd just like to go in that particular order.

3943
04:55:57,440 --> 04:56:03,040
Okay, so each person's going to get three minutes correct. Up to three minutes, you all have this big three minutes, but

3944
04:56:03,040 --> 04:56:08,800
but it's up to you. You know, I'm sorry. Can you speak in the microphone, please? I'm sorry. Thank you very much.

3945
04:56:08,800 --> 04:56:15,120
I believe Mr. Bencher is going to be speaking separately, so he had he will have her individuals.

3946
04:56:15,120 --> 04:56:19,520
Does he, he should be speaking over a minute or five? Yeah, so each of you can speak through him as if you want.

3947
04:56:19,520 --> 04:56:24,160
Okay, but if you can just stay in line here, I'll make our process go a lot faster. Thank you very much.

3948
04:56:24,160 --> 04:56:26,400
I'm sorry, and Mr. Bencher will have more time. Correct.

3949
04:56:27,600 --> 04:56:34,400
I got my own group. Yeah, he's guy. Understood. Okay, okay, okay, what will we work there? And you're in,

3950
04:56:34,400 --> 04:56:38,000
and his name again is Mr. Chris Bencher. Okay, God.

3951
04:56:38,080 --> 04:56:42,400
Okay, we'll work, Mr. Bencher out. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Eric? Thank you. Thank you.

3952
04:56:42,400 --> 04:56:49,040
Thank you, Honorable Mayor, Council members, staff, and neighbors. My name is Eric Schafer.

3953
04:56:50,000 --> 04:56:57,600
My presentation is a summary of ideas that are shared by a group of neighbors that come from different neighborhoods

3954
04:56:57,600 --> 04:57:02,160
around the city. There were probably several dozen of us who met face to face sometimes,

3955
04:57:02,240 --> 04:57:10,000
sometimes we communicated in chat rooms. Okay, and thank you for honoring our request to come

3956
04:57:10,000 --> 04:57:14,960
and after the other. My pleasure. That'll be the information we understood. Yeah, go for the next one.

3957
04:57:16,720 --> 04:57:21,760
So, residents became aware of the progress and content of a general plan amendments only very recently,

3958
04:57:21,760 --> 04:57:30,400
and we're concerned that it was created without our input. We're concerned that the environmental impact report

3959
04:57:30,480 --> 04:57:35,120
is not accurate with respect to the impact of growth on school neighborhoods.

3960
04:57:36,560 --> 04:57:40,160
So, we recommend that tonight you do the A-Bag work,

3961
04:57:41,120 --> 04:57:45,200
allocates minimum number of parcels, and spread the allocation across the city.

3962
04:57:49,200 --> 04:57:53,040
The community was not sufficiently notified of the progress and content of the plan,

3963
04:57:53,680 --> 04:57:56,880
and as a result it contains insufficient community input.

3964
04:57:57,680 --> 04:58:03,280
But recently the community has been politicized, and I think they are eager to be heard.

3965
04:58:06,800 --> 04:58:14,160
Consider, well I'll see, the city has an opportunity to listen. Residents are eager,

3966
04:58:14,160 --> 04:58:19,840
and we're looking for a partner to help us to still our dreams and concerns into this vision document

3967
04:58:19,840 --> 04:58:25,760
for the city. Consider the November 6 meeting at Quinlan Center. There were over 200 people there.

3968
04:58:26,960 --> 04:58:32,400
The city was great. There was staffers at every table, materials. There was a procedure for us to

3969
04:58:33,440 --> 04:58:39,200
brick and storm. It was really fantastic. I thank you for that, and I wonder if something like that

3970
04:58:39,200 --> 04:58:45,200
could be done to get input into the general plan amendments. Thank you. Thank you.

3971
04:58:45,200 --> 04:58:49,040
It gives us a shiefer. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

3972
04:58:49,040 --> 04:58:52,800
Yeah, no, I'm wondering who won by one. So, are you finished with that? Yeah, okay, sorry.

3973
04:58:53,680 --> 04:58:58,960
So, the community uses school recreation spaces. Not only students are using it.

3974
04:58:59,840 --> 04:59:05,120
Classrooms can be built up. You can't do that with athletic fields or basketball courts.

3975
04:59:06,160 --> 04:59:12,320
Over crowded schools, they don't provide the same level of quality or access to these fields that

3976
04:59:12,320 --> 04:59:19,680
all of the community can use. The community recently acted on its concerns about school traffic safety.

3977
04:59:20,240 --> 04:59:25,200
More traffic from more children trying to get to school is only going to exacerbate the problem.

3978
04:59:25,200 --> 04:59:29,840
So, until we address the issues of open space and school traffic safety,

3979
04:59:29,840 --> 04:59:34,720
it's prudent to allocate only the minimum number of housing sites, as is required by ABAC.

3980
04:59:37,760 --> 04:59:46,400
So, our community wants to be heard. I believe that there are many people who will stand up to be heard.

3981
04:59:47,200 --> 04:59:53,040
They will stand up. They will raise their hands to be counted. They will raise their hands.

3982
04:59:56,720 --> 04:59:59,920
Thank you. Thank you Mr. Shefer. The next speaker.

3983
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:24,000
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your standing out this evening. My name is Tom Pike. I'm a 16-year resident of Wilson Park neighborhood and I think the community needs to have a meaningful and informed conversation about the subjects that we've addressed tonight.

3984
05:00:24,000 --> 05:00:39,000
In order to do that, the public simply needs more time to understand these proposals and their impact upon the community. Many residents I would suggest a large majority of the residents were not even aware of these issues until recently.

3985
05:00:39,000 --> 05:01:00,000
The reason is that even assuming for now that the city met the technical standards for legal constructive notice, in other words, the postcards and so on, that notice was so broadly stated that even a reasonable person would not have received actual notice of the specific construction proposals that we're talking about.

3986
05:01:00,000 --> 05:01:13,000
There's a big difference between receiving a notice about the general plan, workshops and so on, and finding out that there's going to be apartments built for example the United furniture.

3987
05:01:13,000 --> 05:01:34,000
And I think it's been previously stated tonight some good examples as to, for example, the minimal attendance at the previously noticed meetings, only a 170 attendees and so on just reflects that the residents didn't get actual notice of these things.

3988
05:01:34,000 --> 05:01:42,000
If you would like a further illustration, I would invite you to ask the audience to ask two questions here.

3989
05:01:42,000 --> 05:01:49,000
Number one, how many of you were aware of these proposed construction projects a month ago?

3990
05:01:49,000 --> 05:02:02,000
And second, as long as it's getting late, I'll just go ahead and ask the question, how many of you were not aware of these proposed construction projects a month ago?

3991
05:02:03,000 --> 05:02:11,000
And that just reflects the ineffective minimum constructive notice that actually was sent out.

3992
05:02:11,000 --> 05:02:14,000
Concert citizens want to become informed.

3993
05:02:14,000 --> 05:02:21,000
These proposals are too important to the community for the council to approve them without a meaningful informed dialogue.

3994
05:02:21,000 --> 05:02:31,000
We therefore respectfully request that you do it's right for the community and postpone your final decision on these proposals until after that conversation has taken place.

3995
05:02:31,000 --> 05:02:36,000
Thank you. Thank you Mr. Pake. The next speaker is Sushima.

3996
05:02:36,000 --> 05:02:44,000
Hi, I'm Sushima and I think a lot of the speakers have already expressed, you know, our concerns as Cooper Tito citizens.

3997
05:02:44,000 --> 05:02:55,000
There is an overall degradation of the quality of life and I think somebody said that East Cooper Tito is becoming like a ghetto and I couldn't agree more.

3998
05:02:55,000 --> 05:03:05,000
I'm here to say just a few things, you know, I am in support of separating the Cooper Tito general amendment approval from the housing element.

3999
05:03:05,000 --> 05:03:16,000
There's too much going on in the general plan amendment and we need more time as a community to absorb it and discuss it and have more involvement as most people have said.

4000
05:03:16,000 --> 05:03:26,000
Please approve only the bare minimum that's the 1,200 unit. If you must give a buffer, take it about 1,100, but not more than that.

4001
05:03:26,000 --> 05:03:34,000
Spread these units across the city so that everybody feels the development not just East Cooper Tito.

4002
05:03:34,000 --> 05:03:40,000
I happen to live on richwood drive and we are particularly opposed to united furniture.

4003
05:03:40,000 --> 05:03:48,000
We are right across from it. We'll be able to see their balconies from our street.

4004
05:03:48,000 --> 05:03:59,000
Also, I think a lot of people have already expressed this and I'll reiterate that none of us feel that the environmental impact report is accurate.

4005
05:03:59,000 --> 05:04:08,000
It's grossly under estimates the impact to traffic and to schools. None of those school numbers that they put up there are even believable.

4006
05:04:08,000 --> 05:04:14,000
The schools are over capacity right now. Come and see the schools.

4007
05:04:14,000 --> 05:04:19,000
That's it. Thank you very much. The next speaker is.

4008
05:04:20,000 --> 05:04:21,000
Thank you.

4009
05:04:21,000 --> 05:04:22,000
Thank you.

4010
05:04:22,000 --> 05:04:29,000
Good evening everyone. I'm Nagapriya Thrutani and so I was the person who started the campaign on change.org.

4011
05:04:29,000 --> 05:04:32,000
I'm sure you are bombarded with a lot of emails.

4012
05:04:32,000 --> 05:04:34,000
Please hold your pass.

4013
05:04:34,000 --> 05:04:35,000
Thank you.

4014
05:04:35,000 --> 05:04:44,000
I just want to bring to notice that a petitions event online a week ago could get 700 signatures in a week.

4015
05:04:44,000 --> 05:04:54,000
And that is like a huge participation in my terms because I didn't know about this general amendment plan till two weeks earlier.

4016
05:04:54,000 --> 05:04:59,000
So if you took the time to read the petition and also read the comments.

4017
05:04:59,000 --> 05:05:11,000
The comment message you would have gotten is congested roads, overcrowded parking, unsafe environment for biking for kids, crowded schools and crowded free space for kids and families.

4018
05:05:11,000 --> 05:05:19,000
So there's one thing that, you know, we want to make sure is the quality of life that people came to put in a form.

4019
05:05:19,000 --> 05:05:29,000
And the other message I want to pass on is the city needs to take more proactive actions to make sure the public is informed effectively.

4020
05:05:29,000 --> 05:05:36,000
I heard that the traffic meeting had more than 200 people. That's really good. It's good to see that kind of participation.

4021
05:05:36,000 --> 05:05:42,000
I'm sure if you had named the meeting as secure mobility meeting, people wouldn't have understood it.

4022
05:05:42,000 --> 05:05:45,000
They understood traffic safety meeting.

4023
05:05:45,000 --> 05:05:52,000
So when you announce, I mean when the city announces the meetings, we need to make sure the people understand what the meeting is about.

4024
05:05:52,000 --> 05:05:58,000
If the meeting said, you know, a general plan amendment meeting, we do not understand what it is.

4025
05:05:58,000 --> 05:06:02,000
We do not understand what impact it makes to us in 20 years.

4026
05:06:02,000 --> 05:06:11,000
We have to be, you know, we need to ensure that the people understand what the meeting is for and where the public participation helps.

4027
05:06:11,000 --> 05:06:16,000
We did see presentations about all the workshops and study sessions.

4028
05:06:16,000 --> 05:06:20,000
I just lived two doors down from here and I didn't know anything about it.

4029
05:06:20,000 --> 05:06:27,000
So I was really frustrated about it and that's why I started the petition and I'm glad that many people participated in it.

4030
05:06:27,000 --> 05:06:42,000
So I urge the council to delay the major decision until all the concerns the suggestions are heard and the plan is amended to make satisfactory addresses to the suggestions and concerns from the public.

4031
05:06:42,000 --> 05:06:43,000
Thank you.

4032
05:06:43,000 --> 05:06:52,000
I received so many email and especially from changing that work.

4033
05:06:52,000 --> 05:06:57,000
I tried to repribe, but whatever I repribe, it's all bounced back.

4034
05:06:57,000 --> 05:07:00,000
So it's also very frustrated from my side too.

4035
05:07:00,000 --> 05:07:04,000
Okay, I will let the change your dark people know about that.

4036
05:07:04,000 --> 05:07:05,000
Thank you.

4037
05:07:08,000 --> 05:07:10,000
And how do I pronounce your name, my apologies?

4038
05:07:10,000 --> 05:07:12,000
I am Sarah Wanakcomar.

4039
05:07:12,000 --> 05:07:13,000
That might take a time.

4040
05:07:13,000 --> 05:07:15,000
So I go by TBS.

4041
05:07:15,000 --> 05:07:18,000
My mom is the only person who calls me by the name anyway.

4042
05:07:18,000 --> 05:07:21,000
Thank you everyone for this time and the great work so far.

4043
05:07:21,000 --> 05:07:25,000
A couple of things is one of go through.

4044
05:07:25,000 --> 05:07:31,000
We moved in year 2006 and ever since we have been very practically engaged in the school development.

4045
05:07:31,000 --> 05:07:32,000
That's a draw.

4046
05:07:32,000 --> 05:07:36,000
The reason why we moved it to keep it in a was the good school and the beautiful neighborhood.

4047
05:07:36,000 --> 05:07:41,000
And we have been supporting this through higher property taxes, parcel taxes.

4048
05:07:41,000 --> 05:07:48,000
I'm sure many of you remember how we ran around for passing the measures to increase the parcel tax and so forth.

4049
05:07:48,000 --> 05:07:57,000
Now, the development plan that we've seen the general plan seems to favor developers like, you know,

4050
05:07:57,000 --> 05:08:03,000
Prometheus or the lack of better name, you know, like they come and build the apartments rented out.

4051
05:08:03,000 --> 05:08:10,000
They seem to have the benefit of higher rent because of the attractiveness of the great schools that we have.

4052
05:08:10,000 --> 05:08:17,000
But they do not proportionately contribute to the parcel tax because the whole of the apartment complex is just past $200.

4053
05:08:17,000 --> 05:08:21,000
So that's each one of the housing owners pay the same money.

4054
05:08:21,000 --> 05:08:25,000
Similarly, many of the properties are privately owned.

4055
05:08:25,000 --> 05:08:37,000
So they exchange as the equity or what not without receiving the property value and hence kind of getting locked into the lower property tax and, you know,

4056
05:08:37,000 --> 05:08:41,000
robbing of the potential revenue for the city, state and community.

4057
05:08:41,000 --> 05:08:46,000
So in any development effort that this plan is going to propose.

4058
05:08:46,000 --> 05:08:56,000
We urge this council and the city to consider having the developers build condos or individually owned properties.

4059
05:08:56,000 --> 05:09:02,000
So that any occupant proportionately pays for the development of the community schools, etc.

4060
05:09:02,000 --> 05:09:09,000
They pay equally equal amount of taxes property taxes and whenever we go and can was for new parcel taxes.

4061
05:09:09,000 --> 05:09:15,000
They also contribute and be part of the same community making this place as attractive as it's today.

4062
05:09:15,000 --> 05:09:16,000
Thank you.

4063
05:09:16,000 --> 05:09:17,000
Thank you, sir.

4064
05:09:17,000 --> 05:09:18,000
Thank you, sir.

4065
05:09:18,000 --> 05:09:19,000
Yes, sir.

4066
05:09:19,000 --> 05:09:20,000
I ask the city attorney.

4067
05:09:20,000 --> 05:09:21,000
I'll see you.

4068
05:09:21,000 --> 05:09:28,000
The gentleman just saying the the whole apartment is paying the same property tax as one unit.

4069
05:09:28,000 --> 05:09:30,000
Is that correct?

4070
05:09:31,000 --> 05:09:32,000
Partial tax.

4071
05:09:34,000 --> 05:09:37,000
Depending on your construct the tax, that could be the case.

4072
05:09:37,000 --> 05:09:39,000
You're talking about a positive amount of property tax.

4073
05:09:39,000 --> 05:09:44,000
Partial tax and the property tax is normally linked to the the private time they bought the property.

4074
05:09:44,000 --> 05:09:50,000
So what happens is unlike a regular property we don't sell and buy apartments right.

4075
05:09:50,000 --> 05:09:54,000
So the property tax never gets reset to the market value over time.

4076
05:09:54,000 --> 05:09:59,000
It gets anchored to a very low value that is in the past.

4077
05:09:59,000 --> 05:10:04,000
Well, I mean, that's property 13, which applies to both commercial and residential, right?

4078
05:10:04,000 --> 05:10:05,000
That is right.

4079
05:10:05,000 --> 05:10:08,000
But I think the point you're making on parcel taxes.

4080
05:10:08,000 --> 05:10:10,000
We've all just taxed ourselves.

4081
05:10:10,000 --> 05:10:14,000
70 plus percent of voters said they were willing to tax themselves.

4082
05:10:14,000 --> 05:10:16,000
Measure J for high schools.

4083
05:10:16,000 --> 05:10:17,000
Right.

4084
05:10:17,000 --> 05:10:20,000
We did a similar thing recent in the last year for CUSD, right?

4085
05:10:20,000 --> 05:10:21,000
Right.

4086
05:10:21,000 --> 05:10:23,000
And just for clarification.

4087
05:10:23,000 --> 05:10:25,000
Is it in fact true?

4088
05:10:25,000 --> 05:10:27,000
I heard from Pauli Bovi.

4089
05:10:27,000 --> 05:10:28,000
I talked to her today.

4090
05:10:28,000 --> 05:10:31,000
She's she confirmed that what you're saying is correct.

4091
05:10:31,000 --> 05:10:32,000
That is parcel tax.

4092
05:10:32,000 --> 05:10:37,000
I'm an entire apartment complex is paid quantity one.

4093
05:10:37,000 --> 05:10:39,000
It's a portion.

4094
05:10:39,000 --> 05:10:40,000
That's correct.

4095
05:10:40,000 --> 05:10:41,000
I'm one part.

4096
05:10:41,000 --> 05:10:44,000
Sometimes you're just to be the size of parcel, but it's generally.

4097
05:10:44,000 --> 05:10:47,000
I could have a thousand apartments quantity one.

4098
05:10:47,000 --> 05:10:48,000
One parcel.

4099
05:10:48,000 --> 05:10:49,000
Right.

4100
05:10:49,000 --> 05:10:50,000
This was close to personal.

4101
05:10:50,000 --> 05:10:51,000
Thank you.

4102
05:10:51,000 --> 05:10:52,000
Thank you.

4103
05:10:52,000 --> 05:10:53,000
Okay.

4104
05:10:53,000 --> 05:10:54,000
It's not a residence tax.

4105
05:10:54,000 --> 05:10:55,000
It's a personal tax.

4106
05:10:56,000 --> 05:10:57,000
Yeah.

4107
05:10:57,000 --> 05:10:59,000
The next speaker is Chris Venture.

4108
05:10:59,000 --> 05:11:01,000
I have seven coffee.

4109
05:11:01,000 --> 05:11:03,000
We can just give it to you.

4110
05:11:03,000 --> 05:11:06,000
I'd like to ask my question.

4111
05:11:06,000 --> 05:11:10,000
I'd like to ask my question.

4112
05:11:10,000 --> 05:11:11,000
Jen, please come stand with me.

4113
05:11:11,000 --> 05:11:13,000
This is my group.

4114
05:11:13,000 --> 05:11:14,000
No problem.

4115
05:11:14,000 --> 05:11:16,000
And I'm asking for 10 minutes.

4116
05:11:16,000 --> 05:11:19,000
I also like to start off by recognizing my two boys here.

4117
05:11:19,000 --> 05:11:21,000
They were lasted.

4118
05:11:21,000 --> 05:11:23,000
You know, past midnight.

4119
05:11:24,000 --> 05:11:26,000
I just want to make sure that they get credit for that.

4120
05:11:26,000 --> 05:11:29,000
And I hope I have your full and undivided attention here.

4121
05:11:29,000 --> 05:11:31,000
So before we start Mr. Venture.

4122
05:11:31,000 --> 05:11:35,000
Just want to make clear that these folks here have not turned in a card.

4123
05:11:35,000 --> 05:11:37,000
They are to support me.

4124
05:11:37,000 --> 05:11:38,000
So that I don't understand.

4125
05:11:38,000 --> 05:11:42,000
I want to clarify because I have witnesses hearing on TV that you cannot come up and speak.

4126
05:11:42,000 --> 05:11:44,000
That Mr. Venture will be taking up your time.

4127
05:11:44,000 --> 05:11:45,000
Correct.

4128
05:11:45,000 --> 05:11:46,000
They're not going to.

4129
05:11:46,000 --> 05:11:48,000
They're not going to speak on their behalf.

4130
05:11:48,000 --> 05:11:49,000
Thank you.

4131
05:11:49,000 --> 05:11:50,000
So thank you very much.

4132
05:11:50,000 --> 05:11:51,000
I have a presentation.

4133
05:11:51,000 --> 05:11:52,000
No.

4134
05:11:52,000 --> 05:11:53,000
It's not being displayed.

4135
05:11:53,000 --> 05:11:55,000
It's all done for.

4136
05:11:55,000 --> 05:11:56,000
There we go.

4137
05:11:56,000 --> 05:11:57,000
Okay.

4138
05:11:57,000 --> 05:11:58,000
Super. Thank you very much.

4139
05:11:58,000 --> 05:11:59,000
Thank you.

4140
05:11:59,000 --> 05:12:01,000
So, you know, while I was sitting here listening.

4141
05:12:01,000 --> 05:12:07,000
What kind of came to me as the general theme here was that story book that most of us have

4142
05:12:07,000 --> 05:12:10,000
all read to our children called The Giving Tree.

4143
05:12:10,000 --> 05:12:16,000
And it really is about, you know, what do you really value?

4144
05:12:16,000 --> 05:12:17,000
You know, you could.

4145
05:12:17,000 --> 05:12:19,000
The tree for everything.

4146
05:12:19,000 --> 05:12:23,000
But at, at the end of the day, we need to have quality of life.

4147
05:12:23,000 --> 05:12:26,000
And so really today I'm going to focus on quality of life.

4148
05:12:26,000 --> 05:12:30,000
Specifically quality of life that parts give us.

4149
05:12:30,000 --> 05:12:38,000
And it may not be reflected in the EIR because the EIR did not really get into parks.

4150
05:12:38,000 --> 05:12:43,000
And certainly didn't get into the percentage of the target allocation of parks.

4151
05:12:43,000 --> 05:12:49,000
And definitely did not get into the percentage of target allocation in various neighborhoods.

4152
05:12:49,000 --> 05:12:50,000
Okay.

4153
05:12:50,000 --> 05:12:58,000
So North of Blaney and Velco neighborhoods are at the 16% of their target allocation for park lands.

4154
05:12:58,000 --> 05:13:09,000
The proposed housing element and general plan amendment will result by bringing in all the people reduced by 33% their available park land ratio.

4155
05:13:09,000 --> 05:13:15,000
And the result after the general plan is over is they would have only 10% target allocation for parks.

4156
05:13:15,000 --> 05:13:19,000
So I'm going to work through the math here so you see where this comes from because I'm an engineer.

4157
05:13:19,000 --> 05:13:20,000
So it's very data driven.

4158
05:13:20,000 --> 05:13:25,000
First of all, we have the Cooper Tino municipal code 1824.040.

4159
05:13:25,000 --> 05:13:38,000
This is the general standard, which is says for the public interest convenience, health, welfare and safety that we should have three acres of park land per 1,000 persons.

4160
05:13:38,000 --> 05:13:44,000
And that's our Cooper Tino municipal code, but it's actually based on the Quinn be act.

4161
05:13:44,000 --> 05:13:52,000
And the Quinn be act is staged that for the purpose of determining your performance to this measure you should be using the federal census data.

4162
05:13:52,000 --> 05:13:59,000
So I go to the US federal census data on my sources are stated at the bottom here.

4163
05:13:59,000 --> 05:14:05,000
So for this, the way to census breaks down Cooper Tino into four major census tracks.

4164
05:14:05,000 --> 05:14:19,000
On the west of the ANZ you have 507707807, east of the ANZ you have 5080808081 with Stevens Creek separating a 50808081.

4165
05:14:19,000 --> 05:14:23,000
So understand that we're broken into four major census tracks here.

4166
05:14:23,000 --> 05:14:31,000
So let's see how each of these as census tracks is doing compared to our municipal code 1824.040.

4167
05:14:31,000 --> 05:14:35,000
Okay, so for us, let's look at census track 5081.

4168
05:14:35,000 --> 05:14:39,000
According to the 2010 census population, it has 7600 people.

4169
05:14:39,000 --> 05:14:42,000
So therefore it should have 23 acres of park.

4170
05:14:42,000 --> 05:14:45,000
It has 3.8 acres of park.

4171
05:14:45,000 --> 05:14:50,000
So it has a current target allocation of 16 percent.

4172
05:14:50,000 --> 05:14:55,000
I don't know why the mic clock is only at five seconds left.

4173
05:14:55,000 --> 05:14:57,000
I'll keep clicking it.

4174
05:14:57,000 --> 05:15:00,000
So it's only at 16 percent.

4175
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:13,000
So this is like a major red flag, and if you're going to have a general plan for the next 25 years to fix a problem for the city, this is certainly a major red flag that need to be fixed.

4176
05:15:13,000 --> 05:15:22,000
Okay, let's go to the next census track. This is 5080. And this one is not that bad. It's actually that 86% of the target allocation.

4177
05:15:22,000 --> 05:15:32,000
It's mostly drawn down by a Rancho Rinkanata, which has a zero park lands. Of course, we annexed that from San Jose and a lot of that is legacy.

4178
05:15:32,000 --> 05:15:38,000
But when you do annex a territory from someone else, you have an obligation to actually take care of them.

4179
05:15:38,000 --> 05:15:48,000
And so we do want to see the Rancho Area actually get some park lands. Even if it has to use, you know, use from some of the other nearby neighborhoods.

4180
05:15:48,000 --> 05:16:01,000
But we definitely people need access to parks. Okay, and then the census tracks for 5077 and 5078, you can see that the boundaries are very strange curving boundaries.

4181
05:16:01,000 --> 05:16:14,000
It's it's very complicated if you want to get into very detailed analysis there. So I'll just say 7778, if you put it all together as a as a weighted average, 36,000 people should have 110 acres.

4182
05:16:14,000 --> 05:16:32,000
It has 117 acres, so there are 106%. So what we have here, when you look at Cooper Tino as a whole, is you have 5077, 5078, are in great shape for meeting the Quinbly Act, for meeting your target allocation, you know, of three acres per 1,000 people.

4183
05:16:32,000 --> 05:16:56,000
But 5081, boy, that is really hurting. It's at only 16% of target allocation. And this is why I think that we need to be very careful about what we're doing here in the zoning, because the developer site is probably the last site ever, right, that you will have a chance to actually remedy this gap.

4184
05:16:56,000 --> 05:17:17,000
So that was using a 2010 census data. So now, that's actually look four years old. So if you look at the middle chart here, the middle chart here now shows what's going to happen when the population from rose bowl, main street, the 230 Stevens Creek, come online, and that's going to drop the target allocation down to 15%.

4185
05:17:17,000 --> 05:17:25,000
And if the proposals for the Hampton's Valko and United furniture, you know, come in, then that target allocation is going to drop at 10.

4186
05:17:25,000 --> 05:17:43,000
This is really drastically moving in the wrong direction. And so we have to actually, I mean, we have an obligation to those neighborhoods, because the reason for that title, that chapter 1824 was for health welfare and safety.

4187
05:17:43,000 --> 05:17:49,000
And I don't think that we can say that it's okay for the health safety and welfare to drop down to 10%.

4188
05:17:49,000 --> 05:17:56,000
Okay, so I've been speaking in terms of percentages. Now let's talk in terms of raw acreage.

4189
05:17:56,000 --> 05:18:07,000
So if you look at today's gap for 5081, it's a 19 acre gap. You would need to come up with 19 acres to actually bring them up to 100% of target allocation.

4190
05:18:07,000 --> 05:18:15,000
But after the potential rezoning that we're talking about here today, you'd have a 33 acre gap.

4191
05:18:15,000 --> 05:18:23,000
And not to mention that next door in track 5080, you have a 627 acre gap. That's the track we're in right now.

4192
05:18:23,000 --> 05:18:30,000
So overall, that we basically need to find where are we going to come up with 20 to 40 acres.

4193
05:18:30,000 --> 05:18:36,000
And what I've drawn there, that red box is drawn to scale, that red box indicates 10 acres.

4194
05:18:36,000 --> 05:18:53,000
So if a Valco basically disappears into development, then you never ever have a chance for the rest of all of us and our children and our children's children to ever repair that target allocation at 10%.

4195
05:18:53,000 --> 05:19:01,000
And so that's why I'm asking you all today, that we really need to consider the Cupertino park land dedication.

4196
05:19:01,000 --> 05:19:07,000
It's written into the municipal code. We should consider it. There's the California Quimbe Act. We should consider it.

4197
05:19:07,000 --> 05:19:17,000
And we have to be very careful about rezoning, because if you rezoned something that is commercial into mixed use, its market value is going to go up.

4198
05:19:17,000 --> 05:19:22,000
But we should have a park plan that includes acquiring properties.

4199
05:19:22,000 --> 05:19:30,000
And you should have a strategy, you don't want to jack the market rate up and then say, gee, I should try to acquire it.

4200
05:19:30,000 --> 05:19:41,000
You have to have a strategy to fix this. And I think it's really going to be a play important role about your rezoning decisions tonight.

4201
05:19:41,000 --> 05:19:51,000
You may potentially rezone the last area for a park. You may potentially rezone it to a new mix use that makes the market value go up.

4202
05:19:51,000 --> 05:19:57,000
And then is your last chance for basically that whole neighborhood to ever correct their target allocation.

4203
05:19:57,000 --> 05:19:59,000
Thank you very much.

4204
05:19:59,000 --> 05:20:00,000
Thank you very much.

4205
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:02,000
Thank you very much.

4206
05:20:02,000 --> 05:20:04,000
Thank you very much.

4207
05:20:04,000 --> 05:20:08,000
Did your numbers adjust for the new parks such as the one that made street?

4208
05:20:08,000 --> 05:20:19,000
No, actually because the data that I was using, like I said, I got the data from the Cooper Tino or website, it listed all of your 24.

4209
05:20:19,000 --> 05:20:21,000
So what I was including.

4210
05:20:21,000 --> 05:20:24,000
So it doesn't list the parks that are currently under construction.

4211
05:20:24,000 --> 05:20:29,000
I'm not aware of any parks that are currently under construction that are coming from the main street.

4212
05:20:29,000 --> 05:20:37,000
So if so like I said, so the gap is, you know, like 20 to 40 if they were if they were contributing one to three or four.

4213
05:20:37,000 --> 05:20:40,000
Then I would come down to 16 or as the need.

4214
05:20:40,000 --> 05:20:41,000
Thank you.

4215
05:20:41,000 --> 05:20:47,000
Yes. I think the gap is still going to be quite big because the need is actually bigger than all of the main street anyway.

4216
05:20:47,000 --> 05:20:48,000
Thank you very much.

4217
05:20:48,000 --> 05:20:49,000
Thank you.

4218
05:20:49,000 --> 05:20:50,000
Thank you very much.

4219
05:20:50,000 --> 05:20:51,000
Thank you.

4220
05:20:51,000 --> 05:20:53,000
Thank you.

4221
05:20:53,000 --> 05:20:54,000
Thank you very much.

4222
05:20:54,000 --> 05:20:56,000
Then I'll use a few more.

4223
05:20:57,000 --> 05:21:00,000
Actually, actually, he's a club scout right here.

4224
05:21:00,000 --> 05:21:01,000
Okay.

4225
05:21:01,000 --> 05:21:04,000
And you know, these kids need to use park and he's going to be an actor.

4226
05:21:04,000 --> 05:21:05,000
Okay.

4227
05:21:05,000 --> 05:21:06,000
Thank you.

4228
05:21:06,000 --> 05:21:07,000
I would like to ask you.

4229
05:21:07,000 --> 05:21:08,000
I'd like that.

4230
05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:09,000
Venture.

4231
05:21:09,000 --> 05:21:10,000
Thank you.

4232
05:21:10,000 --> 05:21:11,000
We'll show you what I asked you.

4233
05:21:11,000 --> 05:21:12,000
Yeah.

4234
05:21:12,000 --> 05:21:13,000
Asked.

4235
05:21:13,000 --> 05:21:14,000
They see a Chinese question.

4236
05:21:14,000 --> 05:21:15,000
It's the manager.

4237
05:21:15,000 --> 05:21:16,000
Marco Park.

4238
05:21:16,000 --> 05:21:18,000
Marco Scherman said that right now had a 50 acre.

4239
05:21:18,000 --> 05:21:22,000
So based on your suggestion, take out 33 acre.

4240
05:21:22,000 --> 05:21:24,000
Can we enforce that?

4241
05:21:24,000 --> 05:21:28,000
We want to resolve that as a park.

4242
05:21:28,000 --> 05:21:29,000
The whole thing.

4243
05:21:29,000 --> 05:21:30,000
Yeah.

4244
05:21:30,000 --> 05:21:32,000
We have to buy it.

4245
05:21:32,000 --> 05:21:33,000
We have to buy it.

4246
05:21:33,000 --> 05:21:34,000
Where to buy it.

4247
05:21:34,000 --> 05:21:35,000
Yeah.

4248
05:21:35,000 --> 05:21:36,000
Yeah.

4249
05:21:36,000 --> 05:21:39,000
So I'd like to speak to that because, of course, if you want to buy it, you have to have the money to buy it.

4250
05:21:39,000 --> 05:21:40,000
Okay.

4251
05:21:40,000 --> 05:21:41,000
But we don't know.

4252
05:21:41,000 --> 05:21:42,000
Maybe we don't maybe we don't.

4253
05:21:42,000 --> 05:21:43,000
Maybe we don't have the money to buy it.

4254
05:21:43,000 --> 05:21:47,000
Actually, we were supposed to have a quimbi in lieu of reserve of fund.

4255
05:21:47,000 --> 05:21:51,000
And according to my calculations that are quimbi in lieu of reserve fund,

4256
05:21:51,000 --> 05:21:57,000
we should have at least enough money to buy three acres of market rate from the projects that happened in the near past.

4257
05:21:57,000 --> 05:22:01,000
But anyway, so if we don't have the money, so we say we can't do it.

4258
05:22:01,000 --> 05:22:06,000
But then in the future, if we did have the money, but we're not going to have the land.

4259
05:22:06,000 --> 05:22:07,000
Right.

4260
05:22:07,000 --> 05:22:10,000
So you're, you're at a, it's a difficult cross road.

4261
05:22:10,000 --> 05:22:12,000
And I don't want to hear that today we don't have the money.

4262
05:22:12,000 --> 05:22:15,000
And then in 2040, while we don't have the land.

4263
05:22:15,000 --> 05:22:20,000
And then you can never correct those neighborhoods, which are at a target allocation of 16% today, moving to 10%.

4264
05:22:21,000 --> 05:22:23,000
Thank you very much. We still have a lot more speakers.

4265
05:22:23,000 --> 05:22:26,000
I have another group of people that was very organized.

4266
05:22:26,000 --> 05:22:28,000
And I have five of you.

4267
05:22:28,000 --> 05:22:32,000
So if you can all five come in the order that you have, you can save me.

4268
05:22:32,000 --> 05:22:47,000
Senals said torners one followed by Shrinny, followed by Mina, followed by Ram, followed by Roger Gopal.

4269
05:22:47,000 --> 05:22:49,000
So are you single?

4270
05:22:49,000 --> 05:22:50,000
Yes, I am.

4271
05:22:50,000 --> 05:22:51,000
And just wanted to get clarification.

4272
05:22:51,000 --> 05:22:54,000
So no misunderstanding that issues speak three minutes each.

4273
05:22:54,000 --> 05:22:57,000
So I plan to speak on behalf of all of them.

4274
05:22:57,000 --> 05:22:58,000
Okay. So you want ten minutes altogether.

4275
05:22:58,000 --> 05:22:59,000
Yes.

4276
05:22:59,000 --> 05:23:00,000
Okay.

4277
05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:02,000
So thanks for giving us the opportunity.

4278
05:23:02,000 --> 05:23:04,000
I just want to make it clear to you guys that you're all.

4279
05:23:04,000 --> 05:23:07,000
He's going to speak on your behalf and that you will not be speaking.

4280
05:23:07,000 --> 05:23:09,000
And he'll be getting ten minutes altogether.

4281
05:23:09,000 --> 05:23:10,000
I really appreciate it.

4282
05:23:10,000 --> 05:23:12,000
Go ahead. Thank you.

4283
05:23:12,000 --> 05:23:14,000
So thanks for giving us the opportunity to talk.

4284
05:23:15,000 --> 05:23:22,000
We are primarily here to protest the general plan amendment, which also includes the housing element.

4285
05:23:22,000 --> 05:23:28,000
I just wanted to step back for a moment and remind everybody what the city's vision is.

4286
05:23:28,000 --> 05:23:32,000
This is what I found from the city's documents.

4287
05:23:32,000 --> 05:23:36,000
So we want to replenish our resources for development.

4288
05:23:36,000 --> 05:23:43,000
But at the same time, we want to retain our character, goals and objectives as a city.

4289
05:23:43,000 --> 05:23:51,000
And we want to consolidate development requests by several property owners, which is understood.

4290
05:23:51,000 --> 05:23:56,000
Provide full range of housing to meet the needs of all segments of the city's population.

4291
05:23:56,000 --> 05:24:00,000
Again, a valid concern and something we need to do.

4292
05:24:00,000 --> 05:24:05,000
But most important, we need to have a balanced community.

4293
05:24:05,000 --> 05:24:06,000
That's what it says.

4294
05:24:06,000 --> 05:24:09,000
We need to have, I'll just read it out.

4295
05:24:09,000 --> 05:24:12,000
Quiet and attractive residential neighborhoods.

4296
05:24:13,000 --> 05:24:16,000
Exemplary parks and schools.

4297
05:24:16,000 --> 05:24:21,000
Accessible open space areas, hillsides and creeks.

4298
05:24:21,000 --> 05:24:24,000
And a vibrant mixed use heart of the city.

4299
05:24:24,000 --> 05:24:30,000
So these are the city's vision.

4300
05:24:30,000 --> 05:24:37,000
So with what the city is proposing, will we be able to preserve this vision for the city?

4301
05:24:37,000 --> 05:24:40,000
So our answer to this question is no.

4302
05:24:40,000 --> 05:24:46,000
We will not be able to achieve these goals with all the proposed developments.

4303
05:24:46,000 --> 05:24:54,000
The redevelopment plans, we feel are excessive and will benefit the developers more than the community.

4304
05:24:54,000 --> 05:24:58,000
As a lot of people here have pointed out.

4305
05:24:59,000 --> 05:25:08,000
So the project proposals objectives is to have a city wide increase in official commercial residential and hotel allocations.

4306
05:25:08,000 --> 05:25:10,000
The key here is city wide.

4307
05:25:10,000 --> 05:25:14,000
And the proposed plans are not achieving this goal.

4308
05:25:14,000 --> 05:25:20,000
It's concentrating everything in one part of Cupertino, which is east Cupertino.

4309
05:25:20,000 --> 05:25:26,000
And the increase the city wide allocations according to the Bay Area plan.

4310
05:25:26,000 --> 05:25:29,000
Again, what is being proposed is too long term.

4311
05:25:29,000 --> 05:25:34,000
And we don't really need such excessive development right now.

4312
05:25:34,000 --> 05:25:38,000
So I just want to read what I found about the city's approach.

4313
05:25:38,000 --> 05:25:41,000
This is what I found in the planning process.

4314
05:25:41,000 --> 05:25:47,000
So what the city proposes is the proposed project.

4315
05:25:47,000 --> 05:25:54,000
Instead focuses on identifying and analyzing potential changes along the major transportation corridors.

4316
05:25:54,000 --> 05:26:00,000
Cupertino that have the greatest ability to evolve in the near future.

4317
05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:04,000
Since the rest of the city encompasses single family neighborhoods.

4318
05:26:04,000 --> 05:26:10,000
So the key here, from the surface it looks okay, but the key here is near future.

4319
05:26:10,000 --> 05:26:16,000
We are trying to capitalize on short term market conditions and economic activity.

4320
05:26:16,000 --> 05:26:21,000
It will be a very short-sighted decision by the planning commission as per their own

4321
05:26:21,000 --> 05:26:23,000
wordings and disclosure.

4322
05:26:23,000 --> 05:26:25,000
I'm not making this up.

4323
05:26:25,000 --> 05:26:31,000
We cannot satisfy the long term development of the city, as far as 2040,

4324
05:26:31,000 --> 05:26:35,000
by focusing on short term opportunities and market situation.

4325
05:26:35,000 --> 05:26:37,000
We have to think long term.

4326
05:26:37,000 --> 05:26:44,000
And as several others have pointed out, the impact on the community is largely ignored

4327
05:26:44,000 --> 05:26:47,000
or underestimated in the EIR.

4328
05:26:47,000 --> 05:26:51,000
So there's a debate of need versus want.

4329
05:26:51,000 --> 05:26:57,000
What does the city need versus what do the developers and others want out of this?

4330
05:26:57,000 --> 05:27:03,000
The projected deficit I've been correcting this number ever since I came here.

4331
05:27:03,000 --> 05:27:05,000
Now it's finally 1060.

4332
05:27:05,000 --> 05:27:09,000
So and the proposed housing is close to 4000.

4333
05:27:09,000 --> 05:27:15,000
So again, we have scaled that number down, but that was the original proposal.

4334
05:27:15,000 --> 05:27:19,000
60 versus 4000, that's huge discrepancy.

4335
05:27:19,000 --> 05:27:25,000
So one important thing to note here is that the developer interest

4336
05:27:25,000 --> 05:27:29,000
does not evenly map to the study areas.

4337
05:27:29,000 --> 05:27:35,000
There are several study areas, all across the city, but the eagerness with which the developers are waiting

4338
05:27:35,000 --> 05:27:39,000
to develop these properties, do not map evenly across these study areas.

4339
05:27:39,000 --> 05:27:43,000
Some of them will be developed faster than the others.

4340
05:27:43,000 --> 05:27:47,000
So projects in some study areas will be finished much sooner.

4341
05:27:47,000 --> 05:27:53,000
And just to, again, give the example, Valco, Hamptons, United,

4342
05:27:53,000 --> 05:27:59,000
alone could satisfy the deficit according to the proposed plan.

4343
05:27:59,000 --> 05:28:05,000
And once the, you know, the 1060 units have been satisfied,

4344
05:28:05,000 --> 05:28:11,000
we will not have a need to aggressively pursue the rest of the 2500 units.

4345
05:28:11,000 --> 05:28:15,000
So what will happen is that everything will get concentrated in one part of the city

4346
05:28:15,000 --> 05:28:19,000
and then then we might go slow.

4347
05:28:19,000 --> 05:28:23,000
So most of us were clueless and we felt excluded like again.

4348
05:28:23,000 --> 05:28:25,000
A lot of others have pointed out.

4349
05:28:25,000 --> 05:28:29,000
So I'm extracting from the text.

4350
05:28:29,000 --> 05:28:33,000
The general plan amendment process has involved extensive community discussions

4351
05:28:33,000 --> 05:28:37,000
and input provided during several public meetings, workshops, study sessions

4352
05:28:37,000 --> 05:28:39,000
and through online comment forms and surveys.

4353
05:28:39,000 --> 05:28:41,000
My question was really.

4354
05:28:41,000 --> 05:28:47,000
We have this petition in which last I checked we had 750 plus signatures.

4355
05:28:47,000 --> 05:28:51,000
So that represents a large number of households.

4356
05:28:51,000 --> 05:28:57,000
So voting yes on this proposal will mean that the planning commission and the council

4357
05:28:57,000 --> 05:29:01,000
does not care about these hundreds of concerned households.

4358
05:29:01,000 --> 05:29:05,000
So we have to, we have to really listen to these, the households

4359
05:29:05,000 --> 05:29:07,000
and make a more informed decision.

4360
05:29:07,000 --> 05:29:13,000
So we stop, we urge the city council to stop the madness really.

4361
05:29:13,000 --> 05:29:17,000
We are not against new development and housing.

4362
05:29:17,000 --> 05:29:22,000
We are only against the reckless expansion which is driven by short term vision,

4363
05:29:22,000 --> 05:29:25,000
economic conditions and developer interests.

4364
05:29:25,000 --> 05:29:28,000
There could always be a cycle like somebody else pointed out.

4365
05:29:28,000 --> 05:29:31,000
We could go, we could be in the bus mode.

4366
05:29:31,000 --> 05:29:34,000
The EIR ignores our underestimate the impact.

4367
05:29:35,000 --> 05:29:39,000
We need to spread the development more evenly across the city.

4368
05:29:39,000 --> 05:29:45,000
And we need to reduce the size of the study areas to only include what is needed

4369
05:29:45,000 --> 05:29:50,000
and not what we think we need for the next 20, 20, 25 years.

4370
05:29:50,000 --> 05:29:57,000
Again as several others mentioned, we urge the city council to decouple the ABAG requirement

4371
05:29:57,000 --> 05:30:00,000
from the general plan amendment.

4372
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:12,000
So, we urge the city council to please either vote no on this proposal or postpone it so that we can have enough community input from the city residents.

4373
05:30:12,000 --> 05:30:18,000
So, this is the end of my slides, but I also wanted to talk about something from my own experience.

4374
05:30:18,000 --> 05:30:24,000
So, I moved into, we moved into Cooperty now three years ago and we are currently remodeling our house.

4375
05:30:24,000 --> 05:30:35,000
We've been out of the house for close to a year and part, a big part of that problem was the city planning council planning commission approved our plan.

4376
05:30:35,000 --> 05:30:41,000
And then when we were executing the project, the inspector came in and said, no, you cannot proceed further.

4377
05:30:41,000 --> 05:30:47,000
And then it turned out that the planning division had not even seen the plans properly.

4378
05:30:47,000 --> 05:31:00,000
So, the point being, you guys hold the residents accountable to such high standards, you want everything to be reviewed, all the, all the, the codes to be met.

4379
05:31:00,000 --> 05:31:09,000
Why not hold the developers to the same rigorous standards? We, we don't want double standards here, we want everybody to treat, we treat it in the same way.

4380
05:31:09,000 --> 05:31:10,000
Thank you.

4381
05:31:11,000 --> 05:31:12,000
Yes, thank you.

4382
05:31:12,000 --> 05:31:17,000
So, now you mentioned about 750 sign, the petition on the change network, right?

4383
05:31:17,000 --> 05:31:21,000
Did you get a chance to look at those signature who are the camp from?

4384
05:31:21,000 --> 05:31:28,000
So, I, I was tracking it until it reached about 200, so then after that I stopped tracking it.

4385
05:31:28,000 --> 05:31:34,000
When I looked at it, there's quite a few from Santa Clara from San Jose, Sunnyvale.

4386
05:31:34,000 --> 05:31:36,000
Not all of them from Coutino.

4387
05:31:37,000 --> 05:31:40,000
I could recognize some of the neighbors.

4388
05:31:40,000 --> 05:31:44,000
I'm relatively new to this neighborhood.

4389
05:31:44,000 --> 05:31:46,000
Okay.

4390
05:31:46,000 --> 05:31:47,000
All right.

4391
05:31:47,000 --> 05:31:55,000
I'm sorry, it's can't have you speak from there, but yes, there's a lot of speakers that were from Sergio, the, what San Jose, Santa Clara, Los Alchilles, South Sunnyvale.

4392
05:31:55,000 --> 05:32:02,000
And they're all within the Coutino school district and in the free-mountain high school district family, so we welcome all of our speakers.

4393
05:32:02,000 --> 05:32:08,000
But I think what Councillor Riching is stating is that we got a lot of people from other cities, as well, to the sign of petition.

4394
05:32:08,000 --> 05:32:09,000
Okay.

4395
05:32:09,000 --> 05:32:12,000
Can I ask a staff a question before there's on it?

4396
05:32:12,000 --> 05:32:17,000
A lot of people have requested that we decouple the general plan from the housing elements.

4397
05:32:17,000 --> 05:32:23,000
So to have approved housing element, minor standings, we also have to have the general plan to predict what is that true or not.

4398
05:32:23,000 --> 05:32:30,000
Well, we can, we can make, yes, in, in one sense, they're, they're coupled together.

4399
05:32:30,000 --> 05:32:37,000
But if the plan, Councillor wants to make only some changes, we can set it up so that only those changes are made in the general plan.

4400
05:32:37,000 --> 05:32:42,000
You can, you know, for general plan as we can system with the housing, yes, they both have to be consistent.

4401
05:32:42,000 --> 05:32:47,000
So you can decide you don't want to increase heights in an area, and so there's no change there.

4402
05:32:47,000 --> 05:32:51,000
So, you know, depends on what you want, we can make the appropriate changes.

4403
05:32:52,000 --> 05:33:02,000
Just to let you know that some preamble in the general plan and part of why it's there is because a lot of things have changed in the last 10 years.

4404
05:33:02,000 --> 05:33:11,000
And so there's some discussions in the general plan that make it more current regardless of what ultimately the development is going to be.

4405
05:33:11,000 --> 05:33:16,000
And then just to be clear, I think there's a lot of confusion about how many units we're in there.

4406
05:33:16,000 --> 05:33:24,000
So the EIR, my understanding of studies, the upper limit on anything we could possibly do not necessarily was being proposed is that correct.

4407
05:33:24,000 --> 05:33:30,000
Right, the 4421 is the maximum that you can have in the general plan.

4408
05:33:30,000 --> 05:33:38,000
Okay, and just for clarification for the rest of you speaking, there's, there's just a staff recommendation with the council appears listening to you.

4409
05:33:38,000 --> 05:33:44,000
And so we'd like to hear which think about things and there's not a, nothing is cast in stone yet.

4410
05:33:44,000 --> 05:33:49,000
The next speaker is Ruth Littman Ashkensee.

4411
05:33:49,000 --> 05:33:55,000
And that project of a mispronounce for the last one.

4412
05:33:55,000 --> 05:33:57,000
Can you see we can your name on that project?

4413
05:33:57,000 --> 05:33:59,000
Yeah, it's Ruth Littman Ashkenazi.

4414
05:33:59,000 --> 05:34:01,000
Thank you on all the work.

4415
05:34:01,000 --> 05:34:04,000
All right, good evening and good morning.

4416
05:34:04,000 --> 05:34:08,000
I just want to ask three why questions.

4417
05:34:08,000 --> 05:34:20,000
First of all, why when you receive such small turnout to the meetings wasn't a major push put to advertise these workshops.

4418
05:34:20,000 --> 05:34:23,000
These meetings, this issue.

4419
05:34:23,000 --> 05:34:25,000
You guys are part of our community.

4420
05:34:25,000 --> 05:34:27,000
We've elected you.

4421
05:34:27,000 --> 05:34:32,000
We live near you or you're earning a salary, maybe a combination.

4422
05:34:32,000 --> 05:34:37,000
Your part of us, why didn't you reach out harder?

4423
05:34:38,000 --> 05:34:48,000
We are a group of people who spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours for our schools, for our community, for our children.

4424
05:34:48,000 --> 05:34:53,000
We would have been happy to be here, had we known.

4425
05:34:53,000 --> 05:35:00,000
Isn't it your job to make this a big issue to make sure we understand what's going on?

4426
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:02,000
The second why.

4427
05:35:02,000 --> 05:35:12,000
I want to know why parcel tax issues aren't made more generally known.

4428
05:35:12,000 --> 05:35:19,000
There was a very good question brought up that had to be a little bit debated and it was hesitated over here.

4429
05:35:19,000 --> 05:35:29,000
And that question was, if a developer has a thousand units, how many parcel taxes does he pay?

4430
05:35:29,000 --> 05:35:31,000
One.

4431
05:35:31,000 --> 05:35:33,000
How many do we pay?

4432
05:35:33,000 --> 05:35:36,000
One per household.

4433
05:35:36,000 --> 05:35:43,000
Speaking of someone who spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours to benefit our school in our community,

4434
05:35:43,000 --> 05:35:51,000
I want to say, expect you guys are elected officials to bring this to light to help us understand not to hesitate for a second.

4435
05:35:51,000 --> 05:35:58,000
But to come forth with this very important information, this is your job, your part of us, your one of us act like it.

4436
05:35:58,000 --> 05:36:03,000
Third, why.

4437
05:36:03,000 --> 05:36:09,000
I want to relive part of our meeting about four hours ago.

4438
05:36:09,000 --> 05:36:16,000
Okay, I can't quote exactly who said what here, but let me relive a moment.

4439
05:36:16,000 --> 05:36:19,000
Someone said, the HCD.

4440
05:36:19,000 --> 05:36:22,000
They don't care about traffic.

4441
05:36:22,000 --> 05:36:25,000
They don't care about schools.

4442
05:36:25,000 --> 05:36:29,000
Someone else said, whom do they work for?

4443
05:36:29,000 --> 05:36:31,000
And yet another person said, up here.

4444
05:36:31,000 --> 05:36:34,000
This was all a discussion that was going on up here.

4445
05:36:34,000 --> 05:36:36,000
They worked for the governor.

4446
05:36:36,000 --> 05:36:39,000
The legislature.

4447
05:36:39,000 --> 05:36:41,000
Let me ask you a question.

4448
05:36:41,000 --> 05:36:46,000
We elected you guys, not to stand a sheep against a bullying.

4449
05:36:46,000 --> 05:36:48,000
Damagagari in Sacramento.

4450
05:36:48,000 --> 05:36:51,000
We need you guys to represent our interests.

4451
05:36:51,000 --> 05:36:53,000
Stand up to them.

4452
05:36:53,000 --> 05:36:55,000
Don't let Sacramento bully us.

4453
05:36:55,000 --> 05:36:57,000
We're here to support you.

4454
05:36:57,000 --> 05:36:59,000
Please support us.

4455
05:36:59,000 --> 05:37:01,000
That's all I have to say.

4456
05:37:01,000 --> 05:37:05,000
Thank you.

4457
05:37:05,000 --> 05:37:10,000
Just to be clear this was a school parcel tax and this council had nothing to do with it.

4458
05:37:10,000 --> 05:37:12,000
It has everything to do with it.

4459
05:37:12,000 --> 05:37:18,000
When you know that developers bringing in thousands of units are going to be paying the 200

4460
05:37:18,000 --> 05:37:22,000
dollars that a single family homeowners are paid.

4461
05:37:22,000 --> 05:37:26,000
I mean, ma'am, I wasn't asking questions just explaining something.

4462
05:37:26,000 --> 05:37:27,000
No bit.

4463
05:37:27,000 --> 05:37:30,000
This this council had nothing to do with the parcel tax.

4464
05:37:30,000 --> 05:37:32,000
We had we have no right to explain it to the public.

4465
05:37:32,000 --> 05:37:34,000
It's up to the entity to put it on.

4466
05:37:34,000 --> 05:37:37,000
I think when you're entertaining.

4467
05:37:37,000 --> 05:37:38,000
Thank you for the.

4468
05:37:38,000 --> 05:37:39,000
Well.

4469
05:37:39,000 --> 05:37:40,000
Hold on.

4470
05:37:40,000 --> 05:37:41,000
You guys spend.

4471
05:37:41,000 --> 05:37:45,000
You guys spend a lot of time entertaining the questions and answers.

4472
05:37:45,000 --> 05:37:46,000
The developers.

4473
05:37:46,000 --> 05:37:50,000
I think we the people have a right to spend the same amount of time up here.

4474
05:37:50,000 --> 05:37:51,000
Talking as well.

4475
05:37:51,000 --> 05:37:55,000
Please don't show your biases so clearly it's it's a little painful.

4476
05:37:55,000 --> 05:37:56,000
Okay.

4477
05:37:56,000 --> 05:38:01,000
So when you bring in developers the thousand plus units.

4478
05:38:01,000 --> 05:38:09,000
I think it is your responsibility to make sure we do know that these developers are paying one parcel tax.

4479
05:38:09,000 --> 05:38:14,000
Regardless of whether it's for the schools because the schools are part of the community.

4480
05:38:14,000 --> 05:38:16,000
A very very integral part of this community.

4481
05:38:16,000 --> 05:38:17,000
And you are too.

4482
05:38:17,000 --> 05:38:18,000
Thank you.

4483
05:38:18,000 --> 05:38:23,000
So I'm I'm going to address your statements since you haven't been following the council means for the last seven years.

4484
05:38:23,000 --> 05:38:28,000
I voted against pretty much every high density project that's been put forward.

4485
05:38:28,000 --> 05:38:30,000
The parcel tax is not due to a developer.

4486
05:38:30,000 --> 05:38:36,000
It's due to if it's a bunch of really units and that's set for once again, not by this body.

4487
05:38:36,000 --> 05:38:39,000
I'm not blaming the spotty for setting it forward.

4488
05:38:39,000 --> 05:38:46,000
I'm blaming the spotty for not making it better known so that your population understands everything involved.

4489
05:38:46,000 --> 05:38:56,000
It's a matter of transmission just like the data leading takes place and just like the workshops that were not communicated effectively.

4490
05:38:56,000 --> 05:38:57,000
It's communication.

4491
05:38:57,000 --> 05:38:58,000
Thank you very much.

4492
05:38:58,000 --> 05:38:59,000
Your time is up.

4493
05:38:59,000 --> 05:39:00,000
Thank you.

4494
05:39:00,000 --> 05:39:02,000
Next speaker is Peggy Griffin.

4495
05:39:11,000 --> 05:39:13,000
Welcome Mrs. Griffin.

4496
05:39:13,000 --> 05:39:15,000
Thank you.

4497
05:39:15,000 --> 05:39:18,000
My name's Peggy Griffin and I live in Cupertino.

4498
05:39:18,000 --> 05:39:20,000
I have three things to ask you.

4499
05:39:20,000 --> 05:39:21,000
One.

4500
05:39:21,000 --> 05:39:27,000
First, I'm asking you to leave the PG&E zoning as is.

4501
05:39:27,000 --> 05:39:35,000
It is not part of the housing element and they have no intention of doing that and there's no reason.

4502
05:39:35,000 --> 05:39:41,000
PG&E is and it provides us.

4503
05:39:42,000 --> 05:39:45,000
We want them there for emergency preparedness.

4504
05:39:45,000 --> 05:39:49,000
They're close by and we want to keep them there.

4505
05:39:49,000 --> 05:40:00,000
I'm asking you to always tell the residents what it means to identify a parcel as part of the housing element.

4506
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:08,000
I've attended several meetings in the study sessions and it wasn't until the last planning meeting that I realized that.

4507
05:40:08,000 --> 05:40:13,000
Because you identify it as a housing element, it gets resolved.

4508
05:40:13,000 --> 05:40:18,000
And as part of being alone, it will be developed.

4509
05:40:18,000 --> 05:40:21,000
And that just was like an aha to me.

4510
05:40:21,000 --> 05:40:28,000
The third thing that I'm asking is that again at the planning meeting,

4511
05:40:28,000 --> 05:40:37,000
they said housing, the height, in some cases they would increase it for retail.

4512
05:40:37,000 --> 05:40:45,000
And it implied to me that the whole bottom floor would be retail and in exchange for an extra floor.

4513
05:40:45,000 --> 05:40:47,000
But that's not true.

4514
05:40:47,000 --> 05:40:49,000
I found out that retail isn't defined.

4515
05:40:49,000 --> 05:40:55,000
There's no minimum square footage retail could be a vending machine,

4516
05:40:55,000 --> 05:41:02,000
breakfast bar, a restaurant or store selling goods, which was my definition.

4517
05:41:02,000 --> 05:41:12,000
So as residents knowing what retail means, knowing what the housing element or parcel on it would really help.

4518
05:41:12,000 --> 05:41:14,000
Thank you.

4519
05:41:14,000 --> 05:41:16,000
Thank you very much.

4520
05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:17,000
Mr. President.

4521
05:41:17,000 --> 05:41:18,000
Thank you.

4522
05:41:18,000 --> 05:41:19,000
Thank you.

4523
05:41:19,000 --> 05:41:20,000
Thank you.

4524
05:41:20,000 --> 05:41:21,000
Excuse me.

4525
05:41:21,000 --> 05:41:22,000
Excuse me.

4526
05:41:22,000 --> 05:41:23,000
Excuse me.

4527
05:41:23,000 --> 05:41:24,000
Excuse me.

4528
05:41:24,000 --> 05:41:25,000
Excuse me.

4529
05:41:25,000 --> 05:41:26,000
Excuse me.

4530
05:41:26,000 --> 05:41:27,000
Excuse me.

4531
05:41:27,000 --> 05:41:28,000
Excuse me.

4532
05:41:28,000 --> 05:41:29,000
Excuse me.

4533
05:41:29,000 --> 05:41:30,000
Excuse me.

4534
05:41:30,000 --> 05:41:33,000
But there are certain requirements on density, so they often are.

4535
05:41:33,000 --> 05:41:37,000
So it's not a requirement, but it often is the case.

4536
05:41:37,000 --> 05:41:40,000
And I agree with you completely with the retail element thing.

4537
05:41:40,000 --> 05:41:43,000
But I lost on that vote when it came up.

4538
05:41:43,000 --> 05:41:44,000
Okay.

4539
05:41:44,000 --> 05:41:45,000
Excuse me.

4540
05:41:45,000 --> 05:41:46,000
Hey.

4541
05:41:46,000 --> 05:41:52,000
So you want to see to define a retail more vigorously in the future?

4542
05:41:52,000 --> 05:41:58,000
Personally, I would prefer that you don't exchange height for retail on the face.

4543
05:41:58,000 --> 05:42:04,000
Retail on the floor, but if you're going to do that, I would say define retail.

4544
05:42:04,000 --> 05:42:09,000
Define the minimum percentage of the floor that needs to be retail.

4545
05:42:09,000 --> 05:42:10,000
All right.

4546
05:42:10,000 --> 05:42:11,000
Great.

4547
05:42:11,000 --> 05:42:12,000
Thank you.

4548
05:42:12,000 --> 05:42:13,000
Thank you.

4549
05:42:13,000 --> 05:42:14,000
So have two more groups here.

4550
05:42:14,000 --> 05:42:21,000
The first group is Chris Wong, Albert Wayne, and Glenn Simmons.

4551
05:42:21,000 --> 05:42:27,000
We can come on up here.

4552
05:42:27,000 --> 05:42:29,000
And then so we want to get clarification.

4553
05:42:29,000 --> 05:42:31,000
Mr. Huang, are you each of you going to speak three minutes each?

4554
05:42:31,000 --> 05:42:32,000
Yeah.

4555
05:42:32,000 --> 05:42:33,000
Three minutes each.

4556
05:42:33,000 --> 05:42:34,000
Okay.

4557
05:42:34,000 --> 05:42:35,000
Sounds great.

4558
05:42:35,000 --> 05:42:36,000
Thank you.

4559
05:42:36,000 --> 05:42:37,000
Okay.

4560
05:42:37,000 --> 05:42:38,000
Good evening.

4561
05:42:38,000 --> 05:42:39,000
My name is Chris Wong.

4562
05:42:39,000 --> 05:42:44,000
My family has owned and operated the Marine of Food Squarespace store for over 25 years.

4563
05:42:44,000 --> 05:42:49,000
We're extremely excited about the prospect of redeveloping our site and refreshing our image.

4564
05:42:49,000 --> 05:42:54,000
As you may know, in the last 10 years, about seven or eight grocery stores have opened within two miles of us.

4565
05:42:54,000 --> 05:42:57,000
And this has led to enormous competition.

4566
05:42:57,000 --> 05:43:02,000
Because of this, we've been exploring the idea of a complete site remodel for quite some time now.

4567
05:43:02,000 --> 05:43:09,000
And felt this was the right opportunity to revise our business model and reposition ourselves in this new and demanding market.

4568
05:43:09,000 --> 05:43:14,000
By redeveloping the site with new amenities, exciting new tenants, and a brand new space from Marina Foods,

4569
05:43:14,000 --> 05:43:19,000
we can bring life and vibrancy to what we feel is a natural downtown area of Gupertino.

4570
05:43:19,000 --> 05:43:25,000
In order for us to make the plan financially feasible, however, we must include a housing component to the project,

4571
05:43:25,000 --> 05:43:28,000
as we need to build roughly six to 700 underground parking stalls.

4572
05:43:28,000 --> 05:43:34,000
But not only that, we feel that residents in retail in the same village type setting would be mutually beneficial.

4573
05:43:34,000 --> 05:43:38,000
We're not developers by trade, but we do know Gupertino intimately.

4574
05:43:38,000 --> 05:43:44,000
And we've hired a very reputable architectural firm in the Darling Group to help guide us through the process.

4575
05:43:44,000 --> 05:43:49,000
In working with them, we feel we can not only strengthen our retail presence, but also benefit the community.

4576
05:43:49,000 --> 05:43:58,000
Our site is conveniently located on a major thoroughfare with convenient access to public transportation and is within walking distance to deans a college,

4577
05:43:58,000 --> 05:44:01,000
Apple and most Gupertino retail centers.

4578
05:44:01,000 --> 05:44:07,000
We plan to put in roughly 230 residential units with either a senior housing or hotel component,

4579
05:44:07,000 --> 05:44:13,000
and look to increase our retail footprint from the current 44,000 square feet to over 66,000 square feet.

4580
05:44:13,000 --> 05:44:19,000
And with these additions, we feel Marina would be well positioned to start the community for another 25 years.

4581
05:44:19,000 --> 05:44:25,000
How about Wayne or who ever wants to come up?

4582
05:44:25,000 --> 05:44:30,000
This is a sticker name.

4583
05:44:31,000 --> 05:44:40,000
We will represent Marina Fu and Marina Plaza, and that would be probably providing service to the community for almost 30 years.

4584
05:44:40,000 --> 05:44:46,000
And we are part of the community and we want to stay this way for a long time to come.

4585
05:44:46,000 --> 05:45:00,000
And we have the majority of the parking space and the retail building Marina Fu.

4586
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:08,640
There is also a way also that a decision that departs, which is, that the American government

4587
05:45:08,640 --> 05:45:19,320
rights rights are located. As part of housing element or goal is to develop the site into a vibrant,

4588
05:45:19,320 --> 05:45:28,160
mixed use, village, and major cross-use section of Cougar Tino. Alongside new housing options,

4589
05:45:28,160 --> 05:45:35,360
we want to provide the community a variety of shopping and dining and other professional services

4590
05:45:35,360 --> 05:45:44,440
that were integrated into and support the Stevens Recorder Retail District. For retail or

4591
05:45:44,440 --> 05:45:54,440
planning to bring back these, the retail space, what current has, we provide even more than that.

4592
05:45:54,440 --> 05:46:05,240
And for our revitalizing the area with new facilities and better amenities such as outdoor

4593
05:46:05,240 --> 05:46:14,240
seating, workable passways and large gathering places that make the plaza more attractive to shoppers.

4594
05:46:14,240 --> 05:46:25,240
And we have planted for 20 parking space to support both the retail space as well as the new residents.

4595
05:46:25,240 --> 05:46:32,240
For housing wishing, the marine site is fantastic location. A couple of Tino's major cross-use.

4596
05:46:32,240 --> 05:46:40,240
The marine site is located along the major transportation corridor where commuters can use the access to both 85 and 280.

4597
05:46:40,240 --> 05:46:48,240
While bus stops in front of the marine, I can take anywhere in town, as well as as couch stations, as far as the downtown San Jose.

4598
05:46:48,240 --> 05:46:55,240
Residents can easily walk to the Memorial Park, the Sports Center, the Senior Center.

4599
05:46:55,240 --> 05:46:59,240
What you can work across the target and the cross-use shopping.

4600
05:46:59,240 --> 05:47:16,240
We believe housing and retail together here can form a strong, co-benefitial relationship, well, decreasing the necessary traffic near Cougar Tino's residential neighborhood and schools.

4601
05:47:16,240 --> 05:47:34,240
And to help ensure that the project is a success, we have already brought on board, a well-respected architect, dining groups to design a project that will build substantially to lead standards as well as integrate smoothly into...

4602
05:47:34,240 --> 05:47:36,240
We're going to win your time.

4603
05:47:36,240 --> 05:47:38,240
So now we give the point into...

4604
05:47:38,240 --> 05:47:40,240
Perfect timing.

4605
05:47:40,240 --> 05:47:42,240
Is it chartered, Glen Sims?

4606
05:47:42,240 --> 05:47:47,240
I'm John Thach. I'm representing Glen. I'm a design partner, so I'm taking Glen Swag.

4607
05:47:47,240 --> 05:47:48,240
You're continuing for the record please?

4608
05:47:48,240 --> 05:47:49,240
John Thach.

4609
05:47:49,240 --> 05:47:50,240
Thank you.

4610
05:47:50,240 --> 05:47:52,240
I'm Principal and Darling Group Architecture and Planning.

4611
05:47:52,240 --> 05:47:59,240
I'm happy to be here, because I think we have a very interesting project as far as really a mixed-use project.

4612
05:47:59,240 --> 05:48:09,240
There's office, uses on the site, and basically we're looking at basically replacing the market, bringing in a very vibrant new market to the marketplace here.

4613
05:48:09,240 --> 05:48:13,240
And I think also it's designed and interesting that we have Danza and Stevenson.

4614
05:48:13,240 --> 05:48:21,240
And then we have those uses, the commercial uses on the edges and we're putting the residential on the quieter streets inside and having a bigger buffer there.

4615
05:48:21,240 --> 05:48:26,240
And the main thing I think as far as looking at how we're integrating the whole block is...

4616
05:48:26,240 --> 05:48:35,240
If you look at the plan as we have a plaza that sort of integrates everything as far as how we're creating a main street in the project, just bringing in, I think all the different uses together.

4617
05:48:35,240 --> 05:48:38,240
And it's something I think it's going to work out really well for this area.

4618
05:48:38,240 --> 05:48:49,240
As stated, there's a lot of different uses. This is very walkable. I think we're very connected as far as how this community can work and really appreciate your consideration for this site. Thank you.

4619
05:48:49,240 --> 05:48:51,240
Thank you very much.

4620
05:48:51,240 --> 05:48:54,240
I think we're done. I have another group here as well.

4621
05:48:54,240 --> 05:48:57,240
Can I ask them a question? Yes.

4622
05:48:57,240 --> 05:49:00,240
The concern is traffic.

4623
05:49:00,240 --> 05:49:08,240
The concern is traffic and the school. Are you guys willing to help to solve the traffic problems?

4624
05:49:08,240 --> 05:49:10,240
We're going to discuss.

4625
05:49:10,240 --> 05:49:12,240
And then also the school.

4626
05:49:12,240 --> 05:49:16,240
My helping the school building in some classroom.

4627
05:49:16,240 --> 05:49:19,240
I have a part of our process with the city.

4628
05:49:19,240 --> 05:49:22,240
Okay. Thank you.

4629
05:49:22,240 --> 05:49:25,240
I have another group up here. I'm going to call the names here.

4630
05:49:25,240 --> 05:49:31,240
It's Michael of Cramer, Reed Moles, and Peter Powell.

4631
05:49:31,240 --> 05:49:35,240
Can you come up here, please?

4632
05:49:35,240 --> 05:49:39,240
Michael Cramer.

4633
05:49:39,240 --> 05:49:46,240
I just want to get clarification is that our issue we want to speak for three minutes or one person to speak for ten minutes.

4634
05:49:47,240 --> 05:49:53,240
I think in the interest of time Mr. Cramer yield his time to Peter and I.

4635
05:49:53,240 --> 05:49:55,240
Okay.

4636
05:49:55,240 --> 05:49:59,240
So Peter's going to speak for ten minutes?

4637
05:49:59,240 --> 05:50:02,240
I'll speak for some of the time and Peter will speak as well.

4638
05:50:02,240 --> 05:50:04,240
Okay, but I only have one person to speak for ten minutes.

4639
05:50:04,240 --> 05:50:07,240
So you have to, if you want to bring up more people.

4640
05:50:07,240 --> 05:50:08,240
Five minutes and five minutes?

4641
05:50:08,240 --> 05:50:09,240
Five minutes.

4642
05:50:09,240 --> 05:50:10,240
Okay. That's fine.

4643
05:50:10,240 --> 05:50:12,240
That's fine.

4644
05:50:13,240 --> 05:50:14,240
This is terrible.

4645
05:50:14,240 --> 05:50:17,240
My name is Reed Moles. I'm a San Diego property company.

4646
05:50:17,240 --> 05:50:23,240
On behalf of San Diego, I want to thank the City Council, staff and community for us working on the GPA.

4647
05:50:23,240 --> 05:50:27,240
The reason I'm here before you is because after three years of intensive negotiations,

4648
05:50:27,240 --> 05:50:32,240
we are in the midst of completing purchases for the entire Valco shopping mall.

4649
05:50:32,240 --> 05:50:38,240
Valco presents a unique opportunity for revitalization community building.

4650
05:50:38,240 --> 05:50:41,240
It's been neglected and in decline for decades.

4651
05:50:41,240 --> 05:50:46,240
In redevelopment efforts by all the many former owners were either abandoned or failed.

4652
05:50:46,240 --> 05:50:50,240
Prior attempts at Valco redevelopment have all run into the same problem.

4653
05:50:50,240 --> 05:50:53,240
Full ownership of the site is needed.

4654
05:50:53,240 --> 05:50:58,240
After 40 years, this is the first time anyone has ever been able to pull this off.

4655
05:50:58,240 --> 05:51:04,240
consolidating four owners who rarely talked to one another into single ownership.

4656
05:51:05,240 --> 05:51:08,240
In collaboration and partnership with the community in city,

4657
05:51:08,240 --> 05:51:13,240
we plan to completely transform the current dying center into a vibrant, sustainable, mixed use neighborhood,

4658
05:51:13,240 --> 05:51:15,240
consistent with the general plan.

4659
05:51:15,240 --> 05:51:19,240
The overarching vision is to create a pedestrian oriented town center.

4660
05:51:19,240 --> 05:51:24,240
One that will have synergies between the uses and nearby projects, such as Main Street,

4661
05:51:24,240 --> 05:51:31,240
to create a dynamic downtown where the community can live, work, shop, and play.

4662
05:51:31,240 --> 05:51:38,240
So, we were pleased to see the recent city of Cupertino community satisfaction survey conducted by Godby research

4663
05:51:38,240 --> 05:51:43,240
with an overwhelming 86% of Cupertino residents surveyed supporting redevelopment of Valco.

4664
05:51:43,240 --> 05:51:49,240
And 78% supporting and mix of uses including retail, office, and housing.

4665
05:51:49,240 --> 05:51:59,240
While we preferred the 800 units in alternative C, we agree with staff's recommendation that Valco be designated as a 600 unit housing element site.

4666
05:51:59,240 --> 05:52:05,240
We do request that the general plan include an office allocation for Valco of 2 million square feet

4667
05:52:05,240 --> 05:52:08,240
and height limits set out an alternative scene.

4668
05:52:08,240 --> 05:52:13,240
Without this specific office allocation, as well as the necessary retail and housing components,

4669
05:52:13,240 --> 05:52:21,240
there will not be adequate critical mass to make it possible for us or any other prospective developer to successfully redevelop Valco.

4670
05:52:22,240 --> 05:52:26,240
The benefits of the city of such a project are well beyond creating a sense of place.

4671
05:52:26,240 --> 05:52:33,240
A carefully planned retail format would reduce leakage and generate millions in sales tax revenues, far and excess.

4672
05:52:33,240 --> 05:52:35,240
What is there today?

4673
05:52:35,240 --> 05:52:40,240
Property taxes would also increase significantly given a billion-dollar plus investment,

4674
05:52:40,240 --> 05:52:43,240
Sand Hill is prepared to make in the city.

4675
05:52:43,240 --> 05:52:46,240
We're proud of what we've done in the city of Cupertino.

4676
05:52:46,240 --> 05:52:50,240
We've partnered with the city and community on a number of successful projects in the 90s.

4677
05:52:50,240 --> 05:52:54,240
We're a local owner and take pride in our commitment to the community and the city.

4678
05:52:54,240 --> 05:53:00,240
Our Main Street Project is now under construction, and we will open as new gathering place in 2015 and 2016.

4679
05:53:00,240 --> 05:53:05,240
Approval of the general plan is just the beginning, not the end of the planning process for Valco.

4680
05:53:05,240 --> 05:53:09,240
There is no Valco project to underview today.

4681
05:53:09,240 --> 05:53:14,240
Following adoption of the GPA, we plan to engage in not to mention the GPA required.

4682
05:53:14,240 --> 05:53:19,240
A comprehensive community-based specific plan process.

4683
05:53:19,240 --> 05:53:22,240
This will not be done in private.

4684
05:53:22,240 --> 05:53:32,240
We look forward to collaborating with the city and community stakeholders on the redevelopment of Valco on transportation and on community benefits.

4685
05:53:32,240 --> 05:53:37,240
This should be an exciting opportunity for everyone to come together and create something wonderful.

4686
05:53:37,240 --> 05:53:43,240
But without the necessary office, residential, retail and high-dallocations,

4687
05:53:43,240 --> 05:53:50,240
we will not be able to make the commitment required to successfully redevelop Valco,

4688
05:53:50,240 --> 05:53:53,240
and it will continue to languish for decades to come.

4689
05:53:53,240 --> 05:53:56,240
Thank you for consideration.

4690
05:53:56,240 --> 05:53:58,240
May I want to members of Council?

4691
05:53:58,240 --> 05:54:00,240
This is my name is Peter Paul.

4692
05:54:00,240 --> 05:54:04,240
I think a lot of people here because they care about what happened in Cupertino,

4693
05:54:04,240 --> 05:54:09,240
but we all put we all agreed that on one thing that Valco is not working.

4694
05:54:09,240 --> 05:54:12,240
It's a death center, it's not going to get any better.

4695
05:54:12,240 --> 05:54:17,240
We're here tonight because we want to ask the Council and the community to give us a chance.

4696
05:54:17,240 --> 05:54:25,240
A chance to show you and to convince you that we can come to the plan to turn this embarrassment into something that we can all be proud of.

4697
05:54:25,240 --> 05:54:30,240
We think the way right people do the job because, first of all, we care.

4698
05:54:30,240 --> 05:54:33,240
I've been doing business in Cupertino for 20 years.

4699
05:54:33,240 --> 05:54:37,240
I have a lot of interest in Cupertino, and I want this to work well.

4700
05:54:37,240 --> 05:54:41,240
We also have the experience to do that too.

4701
05:54:41,240 --> 05:54:46,240
Believe it or not, I'm the only one in Bay Area that I have taken down on one month's growth for enclosed mall

4702
05:54:46,240 --> 05:54:50,240
and convert it into a mixture's project and I've done it at you two times.

4703
05:54:50,240 --> 05:54:56,240
We also turn out that we actually, this is a very risky investment, but we have to capital.

4704
05:54:56,240 --> 05:55:00,240
Not just a short term game, but we're going to be here for long run.

4705
05:55:00,240 --> 05:55:03,240
You're part of take us 12 to 13 years to get our money back.

4706
05:55:03,240 --> 05:55:07,240
But we are willing to hang in there that long to make it work.

4707
05:55:07,240 --> 05:55:12,240
I'm basically putting my credibility on the line because we have a reputation for being open.

4708
05:55:12,240 --> 05:55:15,240
We have open mind and we have open door.

4709
05:55:15,240 --> 05:55:19,240
We have talked to about a thousand people at Main Street.

4710
05:55:19,240 --> 05:55:23,240
I don't know about three different meetings before even finalized the plan.

4711
05:55:23,240 --> 05:55:26,240
We're going to do it here too, even more.

4712
05:55:26,240 --> 05:55:32,240
We actually have a whole team set up here with Reed and Michael and I know when Eric is falling asleep by now,

4713
05:55:32,240 --> 05:55:36,240
but we have a whole lot of people here that was willing to talk to one.

4714
05:55:36,240 --> 05:55:42,240
Talk to everyone here, where the CCC care and the homeowners association, one to one.

4715
05:55:42,240 --> 05:55:45,240
We have on-site office and you're welcome to come in here.

4716
05:55:45,240 --> 05:55:46,240
We're accessible.

4717
05:55:46,240 --> 05:55:47,240
We always surround.

4718
05:55:47,240 --> 05:55:56,240
We want you to know that until we don't know this outreach and I know that's like complaining about not being informed, not being in the act.

4719
05:55:56,240 --> 05:56:04,240
Well, in the loop, we will try to do the best we can and until that happen, we will not have a plan to show you.

4720
05:56:04,240 --> 05:56:09,240
However, we are confident that we have some idea what we're doing.

4721
05:56:10,240 --> 05:56:17,240
We hope that the plan will come out great, but we don't have one yet, but I do know something will be in the plan.

4722
05:56:17,240 --> 05:56:18,240
One is a traffic.

4723
05:56:18,240 --> 05:56:21,240
If you think that we don't care about traffic, you're wrong.

4724
05:56:21,240 --> 05:56:24,240
Because we have tenants that we worry about.

4725
05:56:24,240 --> 05:56:29,240
Nobody's going to come here if the traffic is a problem as a nightmare.

4726
05:56:29,240 --> 05:56:34,240
We also have a very quality conscious that you probably know every project we've done in California,

4727
05:56:34,240 --> 05:56:42,240
and you can be seen on the hotel, the hotel, the whole food, the office building on the answer and the Marianne and Main Street.

4728
05:56:42,240 --> 05:56:50,240
I can tell you that we are going to because the critical mass of this project, we are able to buy the best design team possible.

4729
05:56:50,240 --> 05:56:53,240
We also care about schools.

4730
05:56:53,240 --> 05:56:54,240
I've been here for 20 years.

4731
05:56:54,240 --> 05:56:55,240
I know how big of a deal of school is.

4732
05:56:55,240 --> 05:56:58,240
If you think that we don't care about school, you're wrong too.

4733
05:56:58,240 --> 05:57:03,240
If we can get housing at the local, we will make sure the school is not only preserved, but we've improved.

4734
05:57:03,240 --> 05:57:11,240
And I can tell you that we will be able to come up ways to maybe give a surprise of you as to how we can help support the school.

4735
05:57:11,240 --> 05:57:16,240
One thing we're not going to do is to turn it to how high-density housing development.

4736
05:57:16,240 --> 05:57:26,240
It's going to be a mixture of housing, but if you really look at the social density and compare the other six or seven housing elements site, we have about 45% below them.

4737
05:57:26,240 --> 05:57:28,240
Just to give you some idea.

4738
05:57:28,240 --> 05:57:32,240
If you look at Santana Road and you consider high-density housing project,

4739
05:57:32,240 --> 05:57:36,240
our density is about 40% of what they have today.

4740
05:57:36,240 --> 05:57:38,240
So this is a long journey.

4741
05:57:38,240 --> 05:57:40,240
But we had to take the first step.

4742
05:57:40,240 --> 05:57:42,240
The first step is to get a GPA done.

4743
05:57:42,240 --> 05:57:44,240
Otherwise, we can't get going here.

4744
05:57:44,240 --> 05:57:46,240
And I think that you have a lot of chances to see it.

4745
05:57:46,240 --> 05:57:48,240
We don't, like I said, we don't have a plan.

4746
05:57:48,240 --> 05:57:49,240
You have a lot to do.

4747
05:57:49,240 --> 05:57:51,240
Lots of opportunities to see, yes or no.

4748
05:57:51,240 --> 05:57:55,240
Over Main Street Project, we came and put up the enclosure,

4749
05:57:55,240 --> 05:58:00,240
to try and close your gate with our TV view that.

4750
05:58:00,240 --> 05:58:04,240
We actually have to get a single approval on a color copy of the sidewalk.

4751
05:58:04,240 --> 05:58:06,240
So we're not going to be able to get away from anything.

4752
05:58:06,240 --> 05:58:11,240
So I just want people to relax that we're not going to come in tomorrow and build this thing out.

4753
05:58:11,240 --> 05:58:13,240
We will take a time.

4754
05:58:13,240 --> 05:58:14,240
Go for process.

4755
05:58:14,240 --> 05:58:16,240
You're all invited to participate.

4756
05:58:16,240 --> 05:58:20,240
And by the time we get through, we'll hopefully have something we'll be proud of.

4757
05:58:20,240 --> 05:58:25,240
So I'm not sure if I can add anything to it, but I can just tell you that,

4758
05:58:25,240 --> 05:58:28,240
based on our personal, I'll try to record it in town.

4759
05:58:28,240 --> 05:58:31,240
I think that we hope that we can get a break from everyone.

4760
05:58:31,240 --> 05:58:33,240
Thank you very much for your time.

4761
05:58:33,240 --> 05:58:35,240
And if you have a question, we'd like to answer that.

4762
05:58:35,240 --> 05:58:36,240
Very nice question.

4763
05:58:36,240 --> 05:58:41,240
So you've seen your way into work with the community to come out with the plan.

4764
05:58:41,240 --> 05:58:43,240
This is general plan of amendments.

4765
05:58:43,240 --> 05:58:48,240
So if we approve the general amendment, you will have a specific plan,

4766
05:58:48,240 --> 05:58:51,240
propose or write before you have that.

4767
05:58:51,240 --> 05:58:52,240
You will work with the community.

4768
05:58:52,240 --> 05:58:55,240
Find out what the community wants and what the community.

4769
05:58:55,240 --> 05:58:57,240
Yes, a key words to be for that.

4770
05:58:57,240 --> 05:58:58,240
We don't have a plan.

4771
05:58:58,240 --> 05:59:00,240
I like some big corporation here.

4772
05:59:00,240 --> 05:59:02,240
We're coming here with the plan that we decided on.

4773
05:59:02,240 --> 05:59:04,240
He said, you guys accepted.

4774
05:59:04,240 --> 05:59:06,240
We purposely do not have a plan.

4775
05:59:06,240 --> 05:59:08,240
We ought to go out there and talk to people.

4776
05:59:08,240 --> 05:59:09,240
I mean, now we may not agree.

4777
05:59:09,240 --> 05:59:11,240
We're not going to say we're going to please everyone.

4778
05:59:11,240 --> 05:59:14,240
But we want to go through the process that you know,

4779
05:59:14,240 --> 05:59:17,240
we do care and we do want to see what we work just like we did in Main Street.

4780
05:59:17,240 --> 05:59:20,240
That makes you probably very flexible.

4781
05:59:20,240 --> 05:59:24,240
We can adjust the juggle components in different ways.

4782
05:59:24,240 --> 05:59:26,240
And we are pretty flexible.

4783
05:59:26,240 --> 05:59:27,240
We're pretty good at what we do.

4784
05:59:27,240 --> 05:59:32,240
And I think that if you can, as I like to say, give us a chance.

4785
05:59:32,240 --> 05:59:36,240
We would have to wow you if you don't, we don't get approval.

4786
05:59:36,240 --> 05:59:39,240
So we are going to start tomorrow if we can.

4787
05:59:39,240 --> 05:59:41,240
Of course, I don't know what can happen tonight.

4788
05:59:41,240 --> 05:59:46,240
But as soon as the GP is done, we're coming here with application for a specific plan.

4789
05:59:46,240 --> 05:59:51,240
And at that point then we have to start working on some sort of real plan.

4790
05:59:51,240 --> 05:59:54,240
But we had to go through a long outreach process.

4791
05:59:54,240 --> 05:59:59,240
And I'm telling everybody today tonight or this morning that that.

4792
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:06,000
This is what we've prepared to do. We're not hiding. You can find us. We're very accessible.

4793
06:00:06,000 --> 06:00:16,000
Yeah, one of the questions, one of the problem is the traffic. Are you willing to help write shut-off buses or the intensity?

4794
06:00:16,000 --> 06:00:27,000
I, you know, one thing people think that we're kind of greedy, we've asked for minutes, square feet, hundreds of units, all these other good stuff for the project.

4795
06:00:27,000 --> 06:00:35,000
We need it because we need a critical mass. The good part is that when we do get a critical mass, then we can afford to do things that other project cannot.

4796
06:00:35,000 --> 06:00:42,000
So for example, I'm not sure exactly what the shuttle system supposed to work. I heard something about it tonight and some time before.

4797
06:00:42,000 --> 06:00:52,000
But I'm pretty confident that if we can get our project going, we will be glad to work something out like this because we can fund it.

4798
06:00:52,000 --> 06:00:59,000
We actually will have enough, like I said, critical mass to able to do things, other project cannot even dream of.

4799
06:00:59,000 --> 06:01:06,000
Also another concern of the, of the resident is the library space is not enough here.

4800
06:01:06,000 --> 06:01:17,000
What you were willing, are you willing to provide some space for the library in your, in your, in your new units or your, your shopping center.

4801
06:01:17,000 --> 06:01:29,000
And then also, like, like a medical center for the pediatric, pediatric, pediatric, and for the kids kids playground and a daycare center.

4802
06:01:29,000 --> 06:01:39,000
Well, we, we have a pretty experienced, another makeshift project where we actually taught the city by putting a library within the project.

4803
06:01:39,000 --> 06:01:52,000
So it's a makeshift, so there's no rule is to what can go into makeshift's project. So a library, I don't know what the situation library is. We'll talk with branch library, expansion library of brand new library, but that kind of used it's certain fine.

4804
06:01:52,000 --> 06:02:07,000
There are other things that we can do, but daycare for example, maybe potentially, because of potential liabilities because you need to open space, but we're willing to actually, we're not just willing to, we're offering to do a lot of things for the community because,

4805
06:02:07,000 --> 06:02:22,000
frankly, this is my last big hero. I want my legacy to go down as something that say, I feel a wonderful project for the city of Copitino because I mean, fortunate to have very good success in the city of Copitino is time to give back.

4806
06:02:22,000 --> 06:02:35,000
So yes, I'm, I'm willing to offer various benefits because not because I'm trying to win your favor, but because I feel like I can do something like that and make every come out feeling good about it.

4807
06:02:35,000 --> 06:02:48,000
Also, because you're asking for 60 million that will create more students, right? So that means more, need a more classroom. Are you willing to build the classroom for the school here?

4808
06:02:48,000 --> 06:02:58,000
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm discussing, I'm an immigrant. I came from Hong Kong and education is number one and number two thing in Hong Kong.

4809
06:02:58,000 --> 06:03:08,000
And so, at this point here, we've, we thought Kubernetes is great because of schools. And even though I don't have kids going to school here, it's a great asset to have in town.

4810
06:03:08,000 --> 06:03:18,000
And lastly, we want to do a school thing up for anyone. So I'm thinking that for last maybe five or six years to say, well, we can talk in the school problem.

4811
06:03:18,000 --> 06:03:25,000
We can talk in the old crime in the school, but at the same time, you cannot shut down a city either. You can say, well, we close with business, nobody can ever come in here again.

4812
06:03:25,000 --> 06:03:30,000
Well, you got to fix a problem that way I look at it, we go to the source and see how we can help the school.

4813
06:03:30,000 --> 06:03:37,000
Because it's not possible to say, well, we can never have anything that will impact the school. There'll be impact on the school, and we need to find a way.

4814
06:03:37,000 --> 06:03:47,000
And I hope that we, by the time we get through, if it's not a new show, if it's not positive, that we can support and contribute to the school more than what we call the school.

4815
06:03:47,000 --> 06:03:56,000
So you're willing to talk to the community, find out what their needs and then they will be part of the project for the specific brand.

4816
06:03:56,000 --> 06:04:00,000
Yeah, again, I was sitting through six hours, I was here in tonight.

4817
06:04:00,000 --> 06:04:06,000
And I mean, I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy people coming here being unhappy and say, well, you didn't talk to us.

4818
06:04:06,000 --> 06:04:11,000
You wouldn't know what you're doing here. You guys agree or whatever. That is not how we operate.

4819
06:04:11,000 --> 06:04:16,000
I'm taking pride of what I've done. I have a good reputation.

4820
06:04:16,000 --> 06:04:24,000
I don't think that I've anything to apologize for. We never, never, you know, consider yourself greedy developers.

4821
06:04:24,000 --> 06:04:32,000
And so, we're sitting here telling you, we're here. If you want to talk to us, we're a good ideas. Fine.

4822
06:04:32,000 --> 06:04:39,000
If you just want to talk to us, it tells not to do anything. That's your prerogative, but if you can work to get it positively.

4823
06:04:39,000 --> 06:04:44,000
I mean, Valko is really a drag. It's a black marble sitting for Bettina.

4824
06:04:44,000 --> 06:04:52,000
I've been here for 40 years. I first visited Valko 40 years ago and I've seen it decline over time.

4825
06:04:52,000 --> 06:05:00,000
I taught to all four separate owners before that. There are two times the project are closed and I taught to the lenders both times.

4826
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:05,000
I mean, this is a joke here. We got to fix this thing because we cannot have this going on here.

4827
06:05:05,000 --> 06:05:13,000
It cannot have obsolete center sitting here. I'm sorry, Mike, but the road here, but I'm saying, it cannot have this type of embarrassed.

4828
06:05:13,000 --> 06:05:18,000
We go to other cities. We bring people into tour Main Street.

4829
06:05:18,000 --> 06:05:26,000
We have important guests who respect the tenants coming here. They come down to Main Street and look around and see what's this thing across the street from this.

4830
06:05:26,000 --> 06:05:30,000
It's a mall and what kind of mall is it? It's the worst one in the entire area.

4831
06:05:31,000 --> 06:05:35,000
I mean, I got a lot of investment for Bettina. Do you think I want to see that all over again?

4832
06:05:35,000 --> 06:05:41,000
So I do whatever it takes. And frankly, we have easy projects to do. We don't need to do this project.

4833
06:05:41,000 --> 06:05:45,000
Thank you.

4834
06:05:45,000 --> 06:05:47,000
Thank you.

4835
06:05:47,000 --> 06:05:51,000
There's not regard to terms as the council member who's asking questions.

4836
06:05:51,000 --> 06:05:52,000
I have questions to you.

4837
06:05:52,000 --> 06:05:55,000
No problem. Vice Mayor Sinks.

4838
06:05:55,000 --> 06:06:07,000
If and when we approve the housing office retail components that you would need to make this go.

4839
06:06:07,000 --> 06:06:15,000
What is your timeframe for doing all this outreach and then coming to council with a specific plan?

4840
06:06:15,000 --> 06:06:21,000
Well, I just want to say because we've not right away, but again, I'm not sure.

4841
06:06:22,000 --> 06:06:29,000
We actually will have about one year process or two year process or what do you figure?

4842
06:06:29,000 --> 06:06:36,000
I mean, I think to be fair, we cannot just say we're going to reach out to community and then after two weeks is that we've done reaching out.

4843
06:06:36,000 --> 06:06:38,000
So we would take all time.

4844
06:06:38,000 --> 06:06:46,000
The fact that matter is there'll be at least a year or so where we can't even touch the property because it's very least obligation that we have out there.

4845
06:06:46,000 --> 06:06:56,000
So that's a good pair of a time where we actually, I think we're going to probably just guessing part of six to seven months to go through the community interaction.

4846
06:06:56,000 --> 06:07:03,000
Then we then have a design team to try to interpret that into a master plan.

4847
06:07:03,000 --> 06:07:09,000
We have lots of time to work with the council city in between time and when we ready would come in and start a specific plan.

4848
06:07:09,000 --> 06:07:17,000
So like we consider it's probably a long-term project, probably five or six years to finish.

4849
06:07:17,000 --> 06:07:23,000
So maybe a year or so just a front, the front getting into a good master plan.

4850
06:07:23,000 --> 06:07:26,000
Over at Main Street, we have about 30 versions.

4851
06:07:26,000 --> 06:07:27,000
Yeah, right.

4852
06:07:27,000 --> 06:07:28,000
Master plan.

4853
06:07:28,000 --> 06:07:30,000
I'll be carried by a target done.

4854
06:07:30,000 --> 06:07:33,000
Just to recall the history of Main Street.

4855
06:07:33,000 --> 06:07:38,000
When that was first entitled by a prior city council.

4856
06:07:38,000 --> 06:07:41,000
The economic times were such that you just couldn't go forward, right?

4857
06:07:41,000 --> 06:07:47,000
That was we had the banking crisis in 2008 and so forth.

4858
06:07:47,000 --> 06:08:00,000
So I guess it wasn't what entitled in that general timeframe, but it took five years until you had a plan and you work with a community and you said you had 30 meetings.

4859
06:08:00,000 --> 06:08:03,000
I think we have 34 public meetings.

4860
06:08:04,000 --> 06:08:12,000
Okay, and we finally went through a whole stage of entitlements because members of the public wanted to hear about the architecture.

4861
06:08:12,000 --> 06:08:19,000
They wanted to hear specifically about restaurant and this and that and the quality of the hotel and so forth.

4862
06:08:19,000 --> 06:08:29,000
And we went through this piece by piece and it took a long time and there was a lot of, yeah, there was a lot of community meetings, planning commission meetings, council meetings and so forth.

4863
06:08:30,000 --> 06:08:37,000
As I recall, when we actually went for the final approval under the previous city council.

4864
06:08:37,000 --> 06:08:43,000
We have a lot of supporters in the audience and I don't think anybody came out and spoke against the project.

4865
06:08:43,000 --> 06:08:45,000
There, no, it was very cool.

4866
06:08:45,000 --> 06:08:47,000
One of the few times.

4867
06:08:47,000 --> 06:08:48,000
Yeah.

4868
06:08:48,000 --> 06:08:50,000
Can you talk to?

4869
06:08:50,000 --> 06:08:57,000
So there, I'll call it rumors in Silicon Valley Business Journal and some of things talking about.

4870
06:08:58,000 --> 06:09:04,000
Sears making independent decision independent I guess of what you're doing to close this location.

4871
06:09:04,000 --> 06:09:09,000
It seems like they're turning into a real estate investment trust and they're just.

4872
06:09:09,000 --> 06:09:12,000
They just want to get out.

4873
06:09:12,000 --> 06:09:13,000
Is that true?

4874
06:09:13,000 --> 06:09:15,000
What do you know about sears?

4875
06:09:15,000 --> 06:09:18,000
Well, and unfortunately they sort of did on their own.

4876
06:09:18,000 --> 06:09:26,000
We had a great deal with them where they allowed to stay in the property for up to a year to wind up their business.

4877
06:09:26,000 --> 06:09:32,000
They can always leave early if you wanted to, but they can stay up to a year if they choose to as well.

4878
06:09:32,000 --> 06:09:36,000
So I'm pretty, I'm a year from a year from close of escrow.

4879
06:09:36,000 --> 06:09:37,000
Yeah, from close to that school.

4880
06:09:37,000 --> 06:09:38,000
You've already done that.

4881
06:09:38,000 --> 06:09:40,000
Yes, about a week or so.

4882
06:09:40,000 --> 06:09:41,000
Two weeks.

4883
06:09:41,000 --> 06:09:42,000
Right.

4884
06:09:42,000 --> 06:09:43,000
And so I'll be nice to us.

4885
06:09:43,000 --> 06:09:49,000
They use paper reporter talk to them and they somehow someone from studio said, yeah, we're closing pretty soon.

4886
06:09:49,000 --> 06:09:53,000
So they didn't bother telling us, but if that's the case, that's the case.

4887
06:09:54,000 --> 06:09:58,000
Macy's and JC Penny have the same right to stay there for a period of time.

4888
06:09:58,000 --> 06:10:02,000
And we think that we especially do inclusive time.

4889
06:10:02,000 --> 06:10:06,000
We don't we want to rock the building, cause anybody in the hardship.

4890
06:10:06,000 --> 06:10:08,000
But we have.

4891
06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:13,000
We are prepared to let them stay there for a while until they get finished to.

4892
06:10:13,000 --> 06:10:16,000
And then unless until the radical.

4893
06:10:16,000 --> 06:10:20,000
But sears is well known to us as being sun-stores all the country.

4894
06:10:20,000 --> 06:10:28,300
It's a public information of everybody knows that they are losing money quickly and the only

4895
06:10:28,300 --> 06:10:32,180
making it by sudden different real estate assets.

4896
06:10:32,180 --> 06:10:41,540
Okay, so if the community says you bring us a project, the community doesn't want it,

4897
06:10:41,540 --> 06:10:44,340
what is your, what are you going to do?

4898
06:10:44,340 --> 06:10:49,020
You have other things to do, you said, what would you do with these pieces of voucher that

4899
06:10:49,020 --> 06:10:50,020
you're acquiring?

4900
06:10:50,020 --> 06:10:55,320
Yeah, it's a risk, obviously we bought it with an entitlement and we're hoping that we

4901
06:10:55,320 --> 06:11:03,560
can convince everyone that we deserve a reasonable entitlement but if we can't get, of course,

4902
06:11:03,560 --> 06:11:09,640
not this guaranteed, the council takes us to take a hike, then we had to figure out

4903
06:11:09,640 --> 06:11:16,720
what to do with it, most likely we can sit there and hold it for a while until we can find

4904
06:11:16,720 --> 06:11:21,320
extra strategy because at this point, it's now possible we can re-tend it properly and

4905
06:11:21,320 --> 06:11:26,000
it was, you don't think you can re-tend it the property.

4906
06:11:26,000 --> 06:11:31,500
We can bring us some tenants who are basically fill in, but really, if you could talk about people

4907
06:11:31,500 --> 06:11:35,040
that blew me deal with, they're not, it's not going to happen.

4908
06:11:35,040 --> 06:11:38,040
Okay.

4909
06:11:38,040 --> 06:11:46,640
Okay, so you're figuring getting through a public process.

4910
06:11:46,640 --> 06:11:52,720
I mean, to council, the specific plan that that generally is satisfied the community could

4911
06:11:52,720 --> 06:11:56,800
be half a year, a year and a half, two years, something like this, right?

4912
06:11:56,800 --> 06:12:01,320
Well, if we do a job well, if we're able to, I mean, it's up to us, right?

4913
06:12:01,320 --> 06:12:02,320
Yeah.

4914
06:12:02,320 --> 06:12:07,240
If we had to show people, we'd have a great plan, and until we do that, it might take us six years

4915
06:12:07,240 --> 06:12:12,440
I don't know, hopefully shorter than that, we know that first thing we need to do is initiate

4916
06:12:12,440 --> 06:12:17,000
a specific plan, you know, contrary to what people believe doesn't plan today.

4917
06:12:17,000 --> 06:12:21,280
Your intention would be to do this over the next year's say.

4918
06:12:21,280 --> 06:12:26,900
We're not going to sit on this, because now we start immediately, the rumor also was that you

4919
06:12:26,900 --> 06:12:34,800
paid 1.2.5, 102.5 million for seers, so you have a lot of money sunk into this thing at this

4920
06:12:34,800 --> 06:12:35,800
point.

4921
06:12:35,800 --> 06:12:36,800
Yeah.

4922
06:12:36,800 --> 06:12:41,200
Second part of it, we're trying to keep a secret, because we owe it pay quite a bit,

4923
06:12:41,200 --> 06:12:49,200
but we also prepared to go quickly, again, this specific plan process itself is going to

4924
06:12:49,200 --> 06:12:51,080
take it well.

4925
06:12:51,080 --> 06:12:54,920
So the GPH night only allows to get started here.

4926
06:12:54,920 --> 06:13:00,320
We haven't even got to a home base, but we are prepared to go.

4927
06:13:00,320 --> 06:13:06,320
We fortunately have a capitalist source now that is pretty substantial and we don't use other

4928
06:13:06,320 --> 06:13:14,960
people's money, so we essentially can't start any time, and the first thing, like I said,

4929
06:13:14,960 --> 06:13:19,840
we do, is put up a notice, we put up a website, put up a site, put up a site at the office, and

4930
06:13:19,840 --> 06:13:24,960
tell people, we open a talk interview, and we probably reach out to some of the group that we know

4931
06:13:24,960 --> 06:13:31,680
about, and essentially tell them, we are ready to talk, we don't have a secret plan today,

4932
06:13:31,680 --> 06:13:34,920
in fact, we haven't even got to architect yet.

4933
06:13:34,920 --> 06:13:37,920
Well, all of these would be meetings that anybody could come to as your intention.

4934
06:13:37,920 --> 06:13:42,480
You might reach out to those groups that in the past, you've worked with on Main Street, but

4935
06:13:42,480 --> 06:13:44,200
the idea would be anybody could come.

4936
06:13:44,200 --> 06:13:49,000
Yeah, I've noticed that when we do everything we can to try to let people know, but at the end

4937
06:13:49,000 --> 06:13:50,680
of the day, right, it is.

4938
06:13:50,680 --> 06:13:58,840
I would say that anybody in the community or the city cannot come and tell us that they have been

4939
06:13:58,840 --> 06:14:01,280
in turn away from us by us.

4940
06:14:01,280 --> 06:14:04,280
We are never close at or to anyone.

4941
06:14:04,280 --> 06:14:11,240
Unfortunately, we're not a big time company, we're a WIPWIT firm, we're local, and people can

4942
06:14:11,240 --> 06:14:12,240
find us.

4943
06:14:12,240 --> 06:14:17,040
Okay, I will mayors signaling that it's time for us to move on.

4944
06:14:17,040 --> 06:14:18,040
So, Mike, there's Mike Roddy?

4945
06:14:18,040 --> 06:14:19,040
There's Mike Roddy?

4946
06:14:19,040 --> 06:14:20,040
Mike Roddy?

4947
06:14:20,040 --> 06:14:21,040
Mike Roddy.

4948
06:14:21,040 --> 06:14:22,040
Mike Roddy.

4949
06:14:22,040 --> 06:14:23,040
Mike Roddy.

4950
06:14:23,040 --> 06:14:24,040
Mike Roddy.

4951
06:14:24,040 --> 06:14:25,040
Mike Roddy.

4952
06:14:25,040 --> 06:14:26,040
Mike Roddy.

4953
06:14:26,040 --> 06:14:27,040
Mike Roddy.

4954
06:14:27,040 --> 06:14:28,040
Mike Roddy.

4955
06:14:28,040 --> 06:14:30,140
There's a park in plus the town square.

4956
06:14:30,140 --> 06:14:31,140
Those are about what?

4957
06:14:31,140 --> 06:14:32,140
Four acres, total?

4958
06:14:32,140 --> 06:14:33,520
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

4959
06:14:33,520 --> 06:14:35,120
I think they are acres.

4960
06:14:35,120 --> 06:14:38,480
Well, those one for the park and then another.

4961
06:14:38,480 --> 06:14:39,480
One, one, one, one, one, one, one.

4962
06:14:39,480 --> 06:14:42,560
That's a little bit less than one for the soft park, and then it's about a little bit over one

4963
06:14:42,560 --> 06:14:43,560
for the town square.

4964
06:14:43,560 --> 06:14:44,560
Okay.

4965
06:14:44,560 --> 06:14:45,560
Thank you.

4966
06:14:45,560 --> 06:14:47,920
Mike, Roddy?

4967
06:14:47,920 --> 06:14:48,920
Mike Roddy?

4968
06:14:48,920 --> 06:14:49,920
Mike Roddy.

4969
06:14:49,920 --> 06:14:56,860
Followed by Wayne Gwon-Wang, followed by Mike Trasini, followed by Beverly

4970
06:14:56,860 --> 06:14:59,860
Bryant, are there any other people who wanted to us?

4971
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:03,520
Become this item, please raise your hand, because those are the only cards I have, so that's

4972
06:15:03,520 --> 06:15:10,160
only cards that I will do. Okay? This is it, only four more cards, no more cards I'm going to take.

4973
06:15:10,160 --> 06:15:16,480
Hi there, I'm Mike Roddy, the General Manager at Valco Shopping Mall. It's really helping to go

4974
06:15:16,480 --> 06:15:26,800
before Mr. Powell, but sorry. That's okay. You know, I've heard a lot about the whole process today,

4975
06:15:26,880 --> 06:15:34,960
and we've heard a lot about Valco. You know, we've heard a lot about parks and city fees and

4976
06:15:36,640 --> 06:15:44,480
in Lou fees and such as that, but, you know, there's been really no discussion about how to pay for that.

4977
06:15:45,440 --> 06:15:52,720
So, correctly, from wrong retail sales tax pays for some of the city fees and staff fees.

4978
06:15:53,680 --> 06:16:01,040
Also, development fees, go to pay those expenses. At this point, you know, Valco is probably

4979
06:16:01,040 --> 06:16:10,080
seen its better days. It would be a very difficult process to retent this property.

4980
06:16:11,680 --> 06:16:20,000
And as Mr. Powell has already indicated, he's probably done you all a favor because these

4981
06:16:20,000 --> 06:16:26,800
the purpose stores, their days are numbered. I think that you can read the news and

4982
06:16:26,800 --> 06:16:34,000
services already indicated that I think two weeks ago, they indicated they're closing 119 stores.

4983
06:16:34,800 --> 06:16:39,840
And then prior to that, even a couple of years ago, they closed another 100 stores.

4984
06:16:40,800 --> 06:16:47,360
And JC Penny, also in a downslide, and there, they're in the process of closing stores.

4985
06:16:48,080 --> 06:16:54,960
So, likely, Mr. Powell has done you a favor by purchasing these properties.

4986
06:16:56,880 --> 06:17:03,120
You know, the likelihood of this property turning the corner is very difficult.

4987
06:17:04,640 --> 06:17:11,360
The department stores have really had a stranglehold on this property, something called an REA agreement.

4988
06:17:11,360 --> 06:17:19,200
Some of you have done the council for a while and we've had discussion in other venues.

4989
06:17:19,760 --> 06:17:28,160
So, I think that it's pretty clear that this particular property needs to become a mixed use process.

4990
06:17:28,720 --> 06:17:36,000
And if you look at the nationwide trend of shopping centers, there are no longer just a retail component.

4991
06:17:36,960 --> 06:17:42,720
If you also dig a little deeper, you can go to the International Council of shopping centers.

4992
06:17:43,360 --> 06:17:49,120
Every single retail venue now has almost a mixed use process.

4993
06:17:51,680 --> 06:18:02,080
No longer anchored by the department stores anchored by their mostly anchored by theaters and housing components and office space

4994
06:18:02,160 --> 06:18:11,040
and boutique restaurants and icon restaurants. So, it's really a really kind of a unique, unique situation these days.

4995
06:18:11,440 --> 06:18:15,440
And the days of big anchored department stores are over.

4996
06:18:16,880 --> 06:18:20,160
Thank you, Mr. Rady. When, on, when?

4997
06:18:20,400 --> 06:18:35,120
Welcome. Hi, I live in the neighborhood and my school school is in Cupertino, also I live in Santa Clara.

4998
06:18:35,120 --> 06:18:47,920
So, every day I go through the Stephen Creek and the job case of in school and go to work, it's already a very crowded part of the city, so it's part.

4999
06:18:48,800 --> 06:18:57,360
And if we develop so many more apartments around here, this can be much worse.

5000
06:18:58,080 --> 06:19:05,360
Also, the developer, I don't Mr. Paul, said, they're going to try to solve this for school, for traffic,

5001
06:19:05,360 --> 06:19:13,200
for everything I don't see any concrete plans. It's just a wish for thinking, because

5002
06:19:13,760 --> 06:19:22,400
as a previous speaker already pointed out, we are running out of space. There's no magic like

5003
06:19:23,200 --> 06:19:33,280
when you have no space, how do you make all the other parts of the life better? We're going to compromise the life quality.

5004
06:19:34,240 --> 06:19:42,320
So, I'm against all of this and there's so many people already made a wonderful

5005
06:19:44,720 --> 06:19:52,000
lecture about this, so yeah. Thank you, Mr. Roy. Next speaker is Mark Trasini, followed by

5006
06:19:52,000 --> 06:20:01,600
Beverly Brian. We can just both come on up. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the council.

5007
06:20:01,680 --> 06:20:09,600
My name is Mark Trasini. I'm a principal of KT properties, which is a development firm

5008
06:20:09,600 --> 06:20:19,120
that has been located in Cupertino since 1988 and marks me 26 years. The office building that we're in

5009
06:20:19,120 --> 06:20:28,400
is probably that the family acquired in the mid 70s and built the office buildings 30 years ago today.

5010
06:20:28,720 --> 06:20:36,480
Our office building is located at 21, 7, 10, Stephen's Creek Boulevard, which is just west of

5011
06:20:36,880 --> 06:20:46,240
what is now highway 85 in west of the Oaks shopping center. I'm here tonight to talk about the Oaks.

5012
06:20:47,360 --> 06:20:55,120
My brother, Ken and I have the property, the Oaks property in Eskro to purchase. It's a site that we've

5013
06:20:56,080 --> 06:21:03,920
been following for better than 20 years and it has had a couple of different ownership and unfortunately we were

5014
06:21:04,480 --> 06:21:12,640
not fortunate to get the property under contract. But we do have the property under contract today and we have a set

5015
06:21:12,640 --> 06:21:20,720
closing date in January of 2015 and the closing is not predicated on what goes on this evening and I want to be clear

5016
06:21:21,280 --> 06:21:30,720
about that. The site is an active retail center but this is a tired retail center and our plans

5017
06:21:30,720 --> 06:21:38,720
are to redevelop the Oaks shopping center with a combination of uses. Both of the Oaks to

5018
06:21:38,720 --> 06:21:48,000
opposite to maintain a viable and active retail component but also to introduce a viable office

5019
06:21:48,880 --> 06:21:58,400
and residential has been pointed out this evening. The site has been selected as a site for residential

5020
06:21:59,200 --> 06:22:09,440
and when we began the process of acquiring the site was in the early September time frame of this year

5021
06:22:10,320 --> 06:22:19,040
and I attended a number of meetings with city staff and brought myself up to speed with respect to

5022
06:22:19,040 --> 06:22:26,080
where the general plan process is to date and housing element update as it currently sits.

5023
06:22:26,720 --> 06:22:36,720
And in that the Oaks has been identified as a gateway a site and it's location obviously at the intersection of

5024
06:22:36,720 --> 06:22:42,960
highway 85 and Steven's Creek Boulevard or major transportation corridors that serve

5025
06:22:44,240 --> 06:22:52,000
Cupertino. And with this in mind my brother and I have looked at the development and the redevelopment

5026
06:22:52,000 --> 06:23:00,800
the repurposing of the Oaks and what we'd like to see is the opportunity to construct a vibrant

5027
06:23:00,800 --> 06:23:10,000
retail, the opportunity to develop at a minimum 235 residential units and we'd also like the

5028
06:23:10,000 --> 06:23:17,120
opportunity to repurpose the site with office and we're looking at the office in the neighborhood of 200,000

5029
06:23:17,120 --> 06:23:26,480
square feet in above. We don't have a site plan laid out it's too premature for us. We haven't even

5030
06:23:26,480 --> 06:23:32,800
started the process of reaching out to the to the tenants within that shopping center today.

5031
06:23:33,840 --> 06:23:44,160
Thank you. Thank you. Can I ask a question again? Yes, sir. Will you help on the solving the traffic?

5032
06:23:44,240 --> 06:23:50,880
By the way, council member Chang, I think there's a lot of opportunity to assist

5033
06:23:51,680 --> 06:23:57,840
the city of Cupertino and the traffic problems that are associated with the

5034
06:23:57,840 --> 06:24:04,240
this in and around the schools, the traffic associated with the ability to get from say the

5035
06:24:04,240 --> 06:24:10,480
answer college to the to the employment centers today. We believe there's an opportunity,

5036
06:24:10,480 --> 06:24:14,880
we're also believe there's an opportunity to provide a community benefit to play off of the

5037
06:24:14,880 --> 06:24:22,240
deans of college and some capacity with the Oaks shopping center site. Okay, also helping the school

5038
06:24:23,120 --> 06:24:29,200
that is correct. Okay, thank you. Good quick question. On the

5039
06:24:30,080 --> 06:24:35,760
form I'm looking at it seems to list is a 158k maximum under the staff report and you've asked for

5040
06:24:35,760 --> 06:24:46,160
235 housing units. Is that time that wrong? Sorry, we've studied a maximum of 235 units.

5041
06:24:47,440 --> 06:24:52,640
But I don't recommend it. Yeah, the planning commission recommended 150.

5042
06:24:55,680 --> 06:25:00,720
That's more questions for Mark. No, thank you so much. Thank you.

5043
06:25:00,720 --> 06:25:15,360
Beverly Bryant. Thank you very much. Members of the council, Mayor. I'm Beverly Bryant and

5044
06:25:15,360 --> 06:25:20,400
I'm speaking on behalf of the Oaks shopping center and since I'm the cleanup hitter here tonight,

5045
06:25:20,400 --> 06:25:25,680
I'm going to go very quickly because I know it's been a long, long evening. First of all, I just want to

5046
06:25:25,680 --> 06:25:33,760
say that we're looking at a long range plan tonight. This is a 26 year plan. The general plan that you're

5047
06:25:33,760 --> 06:25:39,600
looking at is not going to be for today. It's going to be for the future. And I think that's the first

5048
06:25:39,600 --> 06:25:47,200
important thing to think about tonight. The second thing is simply that all of us who remember the

5049
06:25:47,200 --> 06:25:52,960
Oaches of the past know that we're going into a different era and we're living in an interconnected

5050
06:25:52,960 --> 06:25:58,560
urbanized community, whether we like it or not, we have to plan for that and we have to think about it.

5051
06:25:58,560 --> 06:26:05,760
The whole idea of the manufacturing or the leadership group, gentlemen, said of locating jobs near housing

5052
06:26:05,760 --> 06:26:12,640
is exactly what the Oaks shopping center is all about. The proposal for office on that property,

5053
06:26:13,200 --> 06:26:18,800
along with the housing and along with the retail will mean that people will live together in a

5054
06:26:18,800 --> 06:26:23,680
situation where they can use the retail, they will have jobs and they will also be able to live.

5055
06:26:24,240 --> 06:26:31,120
I think as urban planners and decision makers, we ask you also to consider the possibility of putting

5056
06:26:31,120 --> 06:26:38,160
office on the west side of Cupertino. On the side of Cupertino, where there is access to Highway 85,

5057
06:26:38,160 --> 06:26:43,680
where there is a Stephen Street corridor, where there are places where people can exit easily and not

5058
06:26:43,760 --> 06:26:51,760
use City Street as much and also have office right there near housing. Finally, I think the suggestion

5059
06:26:51,760 --> 06:26:58,960
about looking at this whole plan and I know you're thinking about it very carefully as an entity for the

5060
06:26:58,960 --> 06:27:04,720
whole city and I think some of the ideas of integration and bringing housing and office together

5061
06:27:04,720 --> 06:27:10,880
and office at a corridor where transportation will be used is very, very important. So I thank you for

5062
06:27:10,880 --> 06:27:15,360
your long, long evening and for the deliberations that I appreciate your time. Thank you.

5063
06:27:16,000 --> 06:27:20,480
I really have many acres of the Oaks. Excuse me? How many acres is the Oaks? The Oaks. The Oaks,

5064
06:27:20,480 --> 06:27:26,800
the acreage, I thought was a but I've found out it may be 7.9 but I'd have to refer to Mr. Tricini because

5065
06:27:26,800 --> 06:27:30,240
he's the purchaseer and I'm not. Thank you very much.

5066
06:27:32,080 --> 06:27:37,680
With that I could go ahead and close the public hearing and I asked for, do you guys want to

5067
06:27:37,760 --> 06:27:49,200
five minute break? No, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and I can go through

5068
06:27:49,840 --> 06:27:59,200
deliberation. They want us to look at the five questions. Development allocation can be benefits building

5069
06:27:59,280 --> 06:28:08,400
heights, Dr. Shocking District and Housing Elements Sites and Council Member Armeling. Do you

5070
06:28:08,400 --> 06:28:17,360
want to start off first? Let me start off with a question first. We've been talking around it a little

5071
06:28:17,360 --> 06:28:26,560
but just to clarify that what on Balco in particular we're really talking about is not an entitlement

5072
06:28:26,560 --> 06:28:33,200
per say but a non-belope to work within where they would have to come up with a specific plan.

5073
06:28:34,080 --> 06:28:40,400
Yeah, it's good. They have nothing until they get a specific plan approved and that specific plan would

5074
06:28:40,400 --> 06:28:50,560
take a whole public process as we as Peter outlined and yeah I mean he probably I mean he says he's

5075
06:28:50,560 --> 06:28:59,440
going to enjoy it but I'm feeling it will be harder on it. Okay, so okay. See when we actually

5076
06:28:59,440 --> 06:29:06,640
start from there then? Yeah I'm going to can go do you want to ask questions. Any of these projects

5077
06:29:06,640 --> 06:29:18,240
is it conceivable that really? Well I'm not going to say for the smallest 11 how the 11 unit housing site

5078
06:29:18,240 --> 06:29:25,200
but is it conceivable at any of these larger things? Wouldn't go through a long public process and

5079
06:29:26,480 --> 06:29:30,800
I mean the Hampton's project would probably be the shortest process because they have to at least

5080
06:29:30,800 --> 06:29:38,800
complicated entitlement. It mostly would be only housing. Yeah that's why. In ASA we would go to council

5081
06:29:38,800 --> 06:29:46,480
but it wouldn't it wouldn't it's not a mixed use project so it's much simpler. Okay so any mixed

5082
06:29:46,480 --> 06:29:52,480
larger mixed use project is going to go through a series of hearings public comment. You know they'll

5083
06:29:52,480 --> 06:29:59,840
have public opinion but they're getting the getting residents input and making adjustment until you know

5084
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:08,000
Finally, at some point, get to a final commission meeting or a city council meeting on the bigger ones.

5085
06:30:08,000 --> 06:30:11,000
All right. Okay, thanks. I'm sorry. No, it's fine.

5086
06:30:11,000 --> 06:30:19,000
So I think development allocation is, what should the C plan for in terms of development allocations for office commercial hotel and resident units through 2040?

5087
06:30:19,000 --> 06:30:28,000
And I believe that the planning commission's decision was to leave everything open. I believe for versus districts or there we go. This would help us here.

5088
06:30:29,000 --> 06:30:32,000
We will be our tea. You can help us on the first question.

5089
06:30:38,000 --> 06:30:40,000
Sorry. Sometimes the mics.

5090
06:30:40,000 --> 06:30:41,000
That's okay.

5091
06:30:41,000 --> 06:30:49,000
So you can see there's two sets of recommendations. The planning commission recommended this right here.

5092
06:30:49,000 --> 06:30:55,000
And their recommendation was to increase office by 500,000 square feet.

5093
06:30:55,000 --> 06:31:03,000
No change to the commercial. Increase hotel rooms by 1,000 rooms.

5094
06:31:03,000 --> 06:31:10,000
And then remove the residential allocation, which as we said, can't be done given unless we change the EIR.

5095
06:31:10,000 --> 06:31:15,000
So we recommend something, some number, and we can talk about that.

5096
06:31:15,000 --> 06:31:19,000
We're happy to go through any other.

5097
06:31:19,000 --> 06:31:20,000
A lot.

5098
06:31:20,000 --> 06:31:22,000
Pardon. Does it help you?

5099
06:31:22,000 --> 06:31:24,000
Yeah. Sort of kind of. Okay.

5100
06:31:24,000 --> 06:31:28,000
So let's talk about the overall thing for right now.

5101
06:31:28,000 --> 06:31:33,000
And then we've got to get into specifics in particular on the housing element.

5102
06:31:33,000 --> 06:31:35,000
Let's take the high level of Pittsburgh.

5103
06:31:35,000 --> 06:31:43,000
So I'll start with the fact that I've been up here in some sense for 25 years.

5104
06:31:43,000 --> 06:31:47,000
I started in 1990 on the planning commission here.

5105
06:31:47,000 --> 06:31:51,000
And in 1990 we were talking about what to do about Valco.

5106
06:31:51,000 --> 06:31:59,000
And within a shame, and what could happen, and Bullocks has gone, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

5107
06:31:59,000 --> 06:32:05,000
And in the meantime, we've had lots of iterations on Valco.

5108
06:32:05,000 --> 06:32:10,000
And everybody knows the problem all along has been the multiple ownership.

5109
06:32:10,000 --> 06:32:14,000
So that really we couldn't have a unified plan.

5110
06:32:14,000 --> 06:32:18,000
I wasn't here when the theaters got approved and all that trade-off happened.

5111
06:32:18,000 --> 06:32:24,000
That was my little break in between the planning commission and not getting elected a couple of times for the city council.

5112
06:32:24,000 --> 06:32:31,000
But ever since I've been on a council, Valco has been certainly a sore point in the city.

5113
06:32:31,000 --> 06:32:35,000
So it is encouraging that we have an opportunity.

5114
06:32:35,000 --> 06:32:40,000
And I'll just call it an opportunity and opportunity to turn that around.

5115
06:32:40,000 --> 06:32:47,000
I don't know, and I'll be up here making the decision on a specific plan.

5116
06:32:47,000 --> 06:32:52,000
I'll be out in the audience, maybe commenting on it.

5117
06:32:52,000 --> 06:32:53,000
What it could be like.

5118
06:32:53,000 --> 06:32:57,000
We haven't seen any specific anything even rough plans or whatever.

5119
06:32:57,000 --> 06:33:09,000
But I think this is the time to give San Hilly opportunity to come back with something that's exciting enough that we are willing to.

5120
06:33:09,000 --> 06:33:15,000
To pay the price of additional office and housing units there.

5121
06:33:15,000 --> 06:33:24,000
So I'll start with the fact that for Valco, I would like to do the two million square feet in the 600 units.

5122
06:33:24,000 --> 06:33:28,000
So let's go with office then.

5123
06:33:28,000 --> 06:33:37,000
I also would like to keep the major corporation allocation the same as it was.

5124
06:33:37,000 --> 06:33:43,000
It was not not take away that which is already there in the general plan which is in the current general plan.

5125
06:33:43,000 --> 06:33:50,000
Even though there was planning commission considered or talked about taking it away.

5126
06:33:50,000 --> 06:33:57,000
And then I think the rest of the city needs something and somewhere between 500,000 and a million for the rest of the city.

5127
06:33:57,000 --> 06:34:04,000
So that would come if he did 500,000 for the rest of the city.

5128
06:34:04,000 --> 06:34:13,000
That would be at the 304-0 number, which is between alternative be in alternative C. So that's office.

5129
06:34:13,000 --> 06:34:21,000
Hotel, I'm fine with the rooms, the number of rooms there nobody seems to be having any heartburn about that one way or the other.

5130
06:34:21,000 --> 06:34:28,000
We could talk later when we get in the heights and all of that, but I'm just talking about high level bits from the room point of view.

5131
06:34:28,000 --> 06:34:33,000
From a housing point of view.

5132
06:34:33,000 --> 06:34:38,000
And it's going to be a real struggle to figure out how to do this.

5133
06:34:38,000 --> 06:34:54,000
But I want to keep within the 1386 that staff has said is the minimum number that HDD is probably going to prove without going through you know,

5134
06:34:54,000 --> 06:35:02,000
whoops and grief and whatever, and we could talk later about how we might achieve that, including the 600 for Valco.

5135
06:35:02,000 --> 06:35:08,000
Do you agree with the plan commission commission is to remove the and just have everything.

5136
06:35:08,000 --> 06:35:13,000
All of us see versus see the recommendation plan commission.

5137
06:35:13,000 --> 06:35:15,000
I understand you're 1386.

5138
06:35:15,000 --> 06:35:17,000
Where were we talking about that?

5139
06:35:17,000 --> 06:35:20,000
Remove.

5140
06:35:21,000 --> 06:35:24,000
Could you explain the plan commission's recommendation?

5141
06:35:24,000 --> 06:35:26,000
What that means please.

5142
06:35:26,000 --> 06:35:35,000
That other proposal to remove the 4000 allocation and make it essentially unlimited.

5143
06:35:35,000 --> 06:35:36,000
For a housing.

5144
06:35:36,000 --> 06:35:38,000
Yeah, no, I don't agree with that.

5145
06:35:38,000 --> 06:35:39,000
Okay.

5146
06:35:39,000 --> 06:35:45,000
Well, there's currently 1895 in a central plan and they voted to remove those 1895 from the residential list.

5147
06:35:45,000 --> 06:35:49,000
The idea was not not to have a development allocation number.

5148
06:35:49,000 --> 06:35:54,000
And to let the densities on the sites decide what could be built on the site.

5149
06:35:54,000 --> 06:36:00,000
So in the case of housing, we kind of have a built in suspenders.

5150
06:36:00,000 --> 06:36:06,000
We have both density as well as allocation in, you know, and so it's not necessary.

5151
06:36:06,000 --> 06:36:15,000
However, our EIR consultant says that we can't have more than 4400 units.

5152
06:36:15,000 --> 06:36:23,000
And we have not analyzed removing the allocation might mean having to look at every residential site capacity.

5153
06:36:23,000 --> 06:36:26,000
And to try to figure out what that additional is.

5154
06:36:26,000 --> 06:36:33,000
So we would recommend some number below that what was studied in the EIR, which is 4400.

5155
06:36:33,000 --> 06:36:37,000
So you would recommend a number ideally not more than that number.

5156
06:36:37,000 --> 06:36:40,000
Right. And my number is the 1386.

5157
06:36:40,000 --> 06:36:41,000
Okay.

5158
06:36:41,000 --> 06:36:43,000
For this upcoming housing.

5159
06:36:44,000 --> 06:36:47,000
The current the current general plan has 1895.

5160
06:36:47,000 --> 06:36:48,000
Thank you.

5161
06:36:48,000 --> 06:36:49,000
Right.

5162
06:36:49,000 --> 06:36:50,000
Okay.

5163
06:36:50,000 --> 06:36:52,000
And.

5164
06:36:52,000 --> 06:36:53,000
Anything else?

5165
06:36:53,000 --> 06:36:54,000
Yeah.

5166
06:36:54,000 --> 06:36:55,000
Why don't we go one by one.

5167
06:36:55,000 --> 06:36:57,000
So we, so we got out the.

5168
06:36:57,000 --> 06:36:59,000
So.

5169
06:36:59,000 --> 06:37:04,000
And I think commercial was it the same.

5170
06:37:04,000 --> 06:37:05,000
Yeah.

5171
06:37:05,000 --> 06:37:12,000
Commercials the same and the minimum, you know, again, the Valco would be the minimum of whatever was a 640.

5172
06:37:13,000 --> 06:37:16,000
Um, for that site.

5173
06:37:16,000 --> 06:37:18,000
And in for the year of plans to have 102.

5174
06:37:18,000 --> 06:37:19,000
Yeah.

5175
06:37:19,000 --> 06:37:20,000
And I'm the.

5176
06:37:20,000 --> 06:37:22,000
I'd also, I think.

5177
06:37:22,000 --> 06:37:25,000
If.

5178
06:37:25,000 --> 06:37:26,000
If Falco.

5179
06:37:26,000 --> 06:37:29,000
If for whatever reason it doesn't happen.

5180
06:37:29,000 --> 06:37:32,000
I'd like to see some of the allocation, not all of it.

5181
06:37:32,000 --> 06:37:34,000
Some of the office go back into the general.

5182
06:37:34,000 --> 06:37:39,000
So while we're talking about 2 million, which is a really big number.

5183
06:37:39,000 --> 06:37:43,000
And we're talking about only 500,000 for the whole rest of the city.

5184
06:37:43,000 --> 06:37:44,000
Right.

5185
06:37:44,000 --> 06:37:48,000
I think there is a premier case office building and also seems creates office.

5186
06:37:48,000 --> 06:37:49,000
Right.

5187
06:37:49,000 --> 06:37:50,000
Whatever.

5188
06:37:50,000 --> 06:37:51,000
Right.

5189
06:37:51,000 --> 06:37:52,000
500,000.

5190
06:37:52,000 --> 06:37:53,000
So I'm saying if.

5191
06:37:53,000 --> 06:37:55,000
If Falco didn't happen.

5192
06:37:55,000 --> 06:37:57,000
For whatever reason.

5193
06:37:57,000 --> 06:38:01,000
And, and it's it's definitely, you know, it's it's all we're talking about is is.

5194
06:38:01,000 --> 06:38:02,000
Given.

5195
06:38:02,000 --> 06:38:06,000
Uh, saying the opportunity to make it happen, but if it didn't happen for whatever reason.

5196
06:38:06,000 --> 06:38:08,000
At least some of that office could go back in.

5197
06:38:08,000 --> 06:38:11,000
And rather than just have the city clamped down at 500.

5198
06:38:11,000 --> 06:38:14,000
But if it goes in it to or whatever.

5199
06:38:14,000 --> 06:38:16,000
Then I think 500,000.

5200
06:38:16,000 --> 06:38:17,000
Premier.

5201
06:38:17,000 --> 06:38:18,000
Premier is one.

5202
06:38:18,000 --> 06:38:19,000
It was at 250k.

5203
06:38:19,000 --> 06:38:20,000
Premier.

5204
06:38:20,000 --> 06:38:21,000
But.

5205
06:38:21,000 --> 06:38:22,000
Doesn't matter.

5206
06:38:22,000 --> 06:38:23,000
Okay.

5207
06:38:23,000 --> 06:38:24,000
Got it.

5208
06:38:24,000 --> 06:38:25,000
Okay.

5209
06:38:25,000 --> 06:38:26,000
Okay.

5210
06:38:26,000 --> 06:38:29,000
So you asked your number one in number four, which is great.

5211
06:38:29,000 --> 06:38:30,000
Um.

5212
06:38:30,000 --> 06:38:31,000
Right.

5213
06:38:31,000 --> 06:38:34,000
Well.

5214
06:38:35,000 --> 06:38:38,000
My higher order bit is to satisfy the housing element.

5215
06:38:38,000 --> 06:38:39,000
I.

5216
06:38:39,000 --> 06:38:42,000
I really don't think our residents will appreciate.

5217
06:38:42,000 --> 06:38:43,000
Um.

5218
06:38:43,000 --> 06:38:44,000
Hit.

5219
06:38:44,000 --> 06:38:45,000
If.

5220
06:38:45,000 --> 06:38:47,000
And I wanted you to housing element last one to the GPA first.

5221
06:38:47,000 --> 06:38:48,000
Oh fine.

5222
06:38:48,000 --> 06:38:49,000
Okay.

5223
06:38:49,000 --> 06:38:50,000
Okay.

5224
06:38:50,000 --> 06:38:51,000
Okay.

5225
06:38:51,000 --> 06:38:52,000
Fine.

5226
06:38:52,000 --> 06:38:53,000
So try the easy one.

5227
06:38:53,000 --> 06:38:54,000
Well, so that's a higher order bit for me.

5228
06:38:54,000 --> 06:38:55,000
I think we have to do it.

5229
06:38:55,000 --> 06:38:57,000
And I don't think it makes sense to delay it.

5230
06:38:57,000 --> 06:38:59,000
I and theory could.

5231
06:38:59,000 --> 06:39:02,000
See we could have more community outreach and workshops.

5232
06:39:02,000 --> 06:39:05,000
I don't know what new we would learn from it.

5233
06:39:05,000 --> 06:39:06,000
I mean.

5234
06:39:06,000 --> 06:39:08,000
We have the God be surveyed.

5235
06:39:08,000 --> 06:39:09,000
And for me.

5236
06:39:09,000 --> 06:39:12,000
Whether I was campaigning three years ago.

5237
06:39:12,000 --> 06:39:13,000
And you know.

5238
06:39:13,000 --> 06:39:14,000
Listen to residents.

5239
06:39:14,000 --> 06:39:17,000
And we get into a discussion about Valco.

5240
06:39:17,000 --> 06:39:20,000
And everybody lamenting the state of Valco.

5241
06:39:20,000 --> 06:39:21,000
Um.

5242
06:39:21,000 --> 06:39:22,000
Or yeah.

5243
06:39:22,000 --> 06:39:24,000
The God be survey.

5244
06:39:24,000 --> 06:39:25,000
Um.

5245
06:39:25,000 --> 06:39:27,000
I think we.

5246
06:39:27,000 --> 06:39:28,000
We.

5247
06:39:29,000 --> 06:39:32,000
Out to the residents to entertain.

5248
06:39:32,000 --> 06:39:36,000
And alternative to a dying mall that we can't get back.

5249
06:39:36,000 --> 06:39:39,000
And I, you know, I really.

5250
06:39:39,000 --> 06:39:41,000
I talked to a lot of.

5251
06:39:41,000 --> 06:39:42,000
Developers.

5252
06:39:42,000 --> 06:39:46,000
I talked to the folks that did Santana row federated.

5253
06:39:46,000 --> 06:39:47,000
Um.

5254
06:39:47,000 --> 06:39:51,000
They lost their shirt on Santana row.

5255
06:39:51,000 --> 06:39:56,000
And so if you consider that all sunk costs, the guy lost his job and everything else.

5256
06:39:56,000 --> 06:39:58,000
But they're still operating that property.

5257
06:39:58,000 --> 06:40:02,000
And then on an operating basis that's now doing fine.

5258
06:40:02,000 --> 06:40:05,000
And you know, I don't think Santana row is exactly what.

5259
06:40:05,000 --> 06:40:07,000
Our residents envisioned.

5260
06:40:07,000 --> 06:40:10,000
You know, that when Santana row started the federated.

5261
06:40:10,000 --> 06:40:13,000
Had an idea that was going to be Beverly Hills.

5262
06:40:13,000 --> 06:40:16,000
And they were going to bring in all these high-end stores.

5263
06:40:16,000 --> 06:40:17,000
Which they did.

5264
06:40:17,000 --> 06:40:19,000
And one after the other, they collapsed.

5265
06:40:19,000 --> 06:40:22,000
And now we have H&M and, you know, mid-market retailers.

5266
06:40:22,000 --> 06:40:28,000
And it seems to be a very functional thing with hotel.

5267
06:40:28,000 --> 06:40:32,000
And with some housing and some office.

5268
06:40:32,000 --> 06:40:35,000
And it's an attractive place to go.

5269
06:40:35,000 --> 06:40:41,000
And I think we would be better served by something that's like Santana row.

5270
06:40:41,000 --> 06:40:48,000
With the kind of retail that Cupertino residents would appreciate.

5271
06:40:48,000 --> 06:40:57,000
As opposed to the thing we have today, where, you know, once upon a time, in 1987, I moved on to Dennis and Avenue.

5272
06:40:57,000 --> 06:41:00,000
I moved into Cupertino 27 years ago.

5273
06:41:00,000 --> 06:41:03,000
And two blocks to the west of Valco.

5274
06:41:03,000 --> 06:41:04,000
And I would go over there.

5275
06:41:04,000 --> 06:41:05,000
I would meet friends there.

5276
06:41:05,000 --> 06:41:07,000
We might go shop a bit.

5277
06:41:07,000 --> 06:41:12,000
We might go get something to eat there.

5278
06:41:12,000 --> 06:41:15,000
And today, it's no longer a real destination.

5279
06:41:15,000 --> 06:41:18,000
You go there for one thing and one thing only.

5280
06:41:18,000 --> 06:41:20,000
Maybe it's a movie theater here.

5281
06:41:20,000 --> 06:41:23,000
And maybe J.C. pennies there to make a purchase.

5282
06:41:23,000 --> 06:41:28,000
But it's no longer that place you go to get two or three things and hang out.

5283
06:41:28,000 --> 06:41:34,000
And I, you know, with all due respect to folks that figure that we're going to get it back,

5284
06:41:34,000 --> 06:41:36,000
I don't believe it now.

5285
06:41:36,000 --> 06:41:41,000
And I think, with Sears going and sounds like the others, you know,

5286
06:41:41,000 --> 06:41:43,000
we're going to get more and more shattering.

5287
06:41:43,000 --> 06:41:46,000
This is not a good situation.

5288
06:41:46,000 --> 06:41:57,000
I also appreciate that Mr. Powell and company are taking a huge risk by spending over 100 million just for Sears.

5289
06:41:57,000 --> 06:42:03,000
And that, as I understand, it doesn't include buying out the lease on the Bay Club.

5290
06:42:03,000 --> 06:42:08,000
It doesn't include the movie, buying out the lease on the movie theater.

5291
06:42:08,000 --> 06:42:10,000
This is going to be hugely expensive proposition.

5292
06:42:10,000 --> 06:42:15,000
But frankly, most of us have campaigned on it.

5293
06:42:15,000 --> 06:42:17,000
Most of our residents wanted.

5294
06:42:17,000 --> 06:42:19,000
I think the God be surveyed supports it.

5295
06:42:19,000 --> 06:42:25,000
I would like to ensure that, yeah, we give San Hill an opportunity,

5296
06:42:25,000 --> 06:42:29,000
to wow the community with something that's fantastic.

5297
06:42:29,000 --> 06:42:32,000
And that's kind of my high order bit.

5298
06:42:32,000 --> 06:42:38,000
And then once we have Valco in a place where

5299
06:42:38,000 --> 06:42:44,000
we can entertain a proposal in a reasonable amount of time.

5300
06:42:44,000 --> 06:42:47,000
I wouldn't give an unlimited amount of time.

5301
06:42:47,000 --> 06:42:53,000
But I would, you know, support the 600 units.

5302
06:42:53,000 --> 06:42:57,000
I would support, it makes me cringe, but up to 2 million square feet.

5303
06:42:57,000 --> 06:43:01,000
I want the thing to actually go and be successful.

5304
06:43:01,000 --> 06:43:07,000
And I think if we miss this opportunity, we may miss it for decades if not a generation.

5305
06:43:07,000 --> 06:43:12,000
So that's my, that's my, my first priority.

5306
06:43:12,000 --> 06:43:16,000
And then on the development allocation for office hotel,

5307
06:43:16,000 --> 06:43:18,000
Krubrishon Housing.

5308
06:43:18,000 --> 06:43:20,000
I think we ought to dial it down.

5309
06:43:20,000 --> 06:43:28,000
I mean, I really, the Apple Campus 2 project is 2.8 million square feet.

5310
06:43:28,000 --> 06:43:30,000
That's a huge amount of office.

5311
06:43:30,000 --> 06:43:34,000
We already have jobs housing imbalance in the city.

5312
06:43:34,000 --> 06:43:37,000
So I'm okay with the major allocation.

5313
06:43:37,000 --> 06:43:44,000
I would like to see, frankly, some diversity in the commercial economic life of the city.

5314
06:43:44,000 --> 06:43:52,000
I would like to see if we can't make Valco go with an reasonable amount of time.

5315
06:43:52,000 --> 06:44:03,000
I would like to see a good fraction of both the residential allocation of say 600.

5316
06:44:03,000 --> 06:44:06,000
Get moved elsewhere.

5317
06:44:06,000 --> 06:44:09,000
And yes, to the west side of the city.

5318
06:44:09,000 --> 06:44:11,000
So put more focus on there.

5319
06:44:11,000 --> 06:44:14,000
And I can give you some specific ideas.

5320
06:44:14,000 --> 06:44:18,000
But, you know, conceptually, this is where I'm coming from.

5321
06:44:18,000 --> 06:44:21,000
Can you just throw me a number like 1 million or 500.

5322
06:44:21,000 --> 06:44:23,000
Oh, for office space.

5323
06:44:23,000 --> 06:44:27,000
Let's clap it now to 500.

5324
06:44:27,000 --> 06:44:32,000
You know, and I realize that we have developers that would, in total,

5325
06:44:32,000 --> 06:44:34,000
like to build a lot more than that.

5326
06:44:34,000 --> 06:44:42,000
But I think, like the planning commission did, that we ought to be respectful of the fact

5327
06:44:42,000 --> 06:44:46,000
that we're absorbing a lot of office development right now.

5328
06:44:46,000 --> 06:44:48,000
We're doing it at Main Street.

5329
06:44:48,000 --> 06:44:52,000
We're doing it at the Apple Campus.

5330
06:44:52,000 --> 06:44:54,000
And there's some other stuff in town.

5331
06:44:54,000 --> 06:45:00,000
So when you claim to say, climb down to 500, there's already a million, 40.

5332
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:06,340
And you're asking for $2 million for Valco, and then $500,000 on top of that. So, $3.5 million.

5333
06:45:06,340 --> 06:45:18,300
I would say we give, I mean, maybe we don't believe the $2 million, and frankly, no plan is going to come through here, and I'm just going to do it for me.

5334
06:45:18,300 --> 06:45:25,300
I think it's a $304 same. Unless we've seen the pro-forma, and we understand that this is really necessary, right?

5335
06:45:25,300 --> 06:45:28,300
We don't think Valco goes. He's $500,000 more than you.

5336
06:45:28,300 --> 06:45:41,300
So, five, no. So, for the non-Valco pool, and the non-major developer pool, for everything else, $500,000.

5337
06:45:41,300 --> 06:45:45,300
Which is what I said also. Why said $500,000 to a million, but?

5338
06:45:45,300 --> 06:45:47,300
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a short interview. $500,000.

5339
06:45:47,300 --> 06:45:53,300
$500,000, see if I've been a new or $500,000, there's already $500,000 existing outside that pool.

5340
06:45:53,300 --> 06:45:57,300
No, not new. I think it's like $30 or something, right?

5341
06:45:57,300 --> 06:46:05,300
We make it a firm. If you look at the no project, there's zero, right, outside of the pool is $540.

5342
06:46:05,300 --> 06:46:09,300
So, there's about $17,000 in the pool.

5343
06:46:09,300 --> 06:46:13,300
Alternative A has $500,000, and that's net entry.

5344
06:46:13,300 --> 06:46:14,300
Sorry, what did everyone call them? Okay.

5345
06:46:14,300 --> 06:46:17,300
Yeah, the pool is gone. That's how this whole thing started.

5346
06:46:17,300 --> 06:46:19,300
Correct. We...

5347
06:46:19,300 --> 06:46:21,300
For Main Street.

5348
06:46:21,300 --> 06:46:24,300
See, I haven't seen it at the Alternative A edition.

5349
06:46:24,300 --> 06:46:26,300
I'm sorry, what?

5350
06:46:26,300 --> 06:46:28,300
See, you guys are both using the Alternative A edition.

5351
06:46:28,300 --> 06:46:35,300
You want $2 million for that plus the $500 that's there plus another $500, which is roughly $3 million.

5352
06:46:35,300 --> 06:46:39,300
So, the total is $304,000.

5353
06:46:39,300 --> 06:46:41,300
$2 million for Valko.

5354
06:46:41,300 --> 06:46:47,300
And then Alternative A has $1 million in 40 of which roughly $500,000 of that is...

5355
06:46:47,300 --> 06:46:49,300
Okay, sure.

5356
06:46:49,300 --> 06:46:51,300
Because this is added for the two...

5357
06:46:51,300 --> 06:46:53,300
It's $2 million in addition to Alternative A, yes.

5358
06:46:53,300 --> 06:46:55,300
Let's take a look at it.

5359
06:46:55,300 --> 06:46:58,300
Right, so existing, there's $540,000.

5360
06:46:58,300 --> 06:47:04,300
You're adding $400,500,000 random plus $2 million for Valko.

5361
06:47:04,300 --> 06:47:06,300
Up to $2 million.

5362
06:47:06,300 --> 06:47:07,300
I mean...

5363
06:47:07,300 --> 06:47:08,300
Yeah, it's really...

5364
06:47:08,300 --> 06:47:09,300
It's not nice.

5365
06:47:09,300 --> 06:47:10,300
It's not nice.

5366
06:47:10,300 --> 06:47:11,300
It's not nice.

5367
06:47:11,300 --> 06:47:15,300
I don't think anybody has any clue as to how much it would take to make Valko work.

5368
06:47:15,300 --> 06:47:16,300
I'm just trying to...

5369
06:47:16,300 --> 06:47:20,300
We don't have it as a government plan, but I would say, let's lock away...

5370
06:47:20,300 --> 06:47:25,300
So, $500,000 for big companies, $500,000 for everybody else in the city, and $2 million for Valko.

5371
06:47:25,300 --> 06:47:26,300
Correct.

5372
06:47:26,300 --> 06:47:27,300
Right.

5373
06:47:27,300 --> 06:47:29,300
Just what both of them said.

5374
06:47:29,300 --> 06:47:30,300
And then for the...

5375
06:47:30,300 --> 06:47:33,300
Oh, I wouldn't change the current big company allocation.

5376
06:47:33,300 --> 06:47:35,300
I'd leave it the way it is.

5377
06:47:35,300 --> 06:47:36,300
But that's $500.

5378
06:47:36,300 --> 06:47:37,300
Yeah.

5379
06:47:37,300 --> 06:47:38,300
I just rounded it down.

5380
06:47:38,300 --> 06:47:39,300
Yeah.

5381
06:47:39,300 --> 06:47:40,300
I just rounded it down.

5382
06:47:40,300 --> 06:47:41,300
Yeah.

5383
06:47:41,300 --> 06:47:43,300
I just want to be sure.

5384
06:47:43,300 --> 06:47:45,300
And then for hotel and commercial was...

5385
06:47:45,300 --> 06:47:46,300
Yeah, it's cool.

5386
06:47:46,300 --> 06:47:47,300
Guess what I'm holding?

5387
06:47:47,300 --> 06:47:48,300
Yeah.

5388
06:47:48,300 --> 06:47:56,300
I mean, all the plans show commercial the same for hotel.

5389
06:47:56,300 --> 06:47:57,300
Correct.

5390
06:47:57,300 --> 06:48:02,300
I mean...

5391
06:48:03,300 --> 06:48:05,300
To me, it's a third or a bit.

5392
06:48:05,300 --> 06:48:07,300
I mean, I...

5393
06:48:07,300 --> 06:48:09,300
Again, I want to make Valko go.

5394
06:48:09,300 --> 06:48:11,300
And I want to satisfy the housing element.

5395
06:48:11,300 --> 06:48:16,300
And I don't have a strong opinion about hotel rooms.

5396
06:48:16,300 --> 06:48:17,300
Okay.

5397
06:48:17,300 --> 06:48:21,300
And then do you have a number for the housing allocation?

5398
06:48:21,300 --> 06:48:22,300
Okay.

5399
06:48:22,300 --> 06:48:27,300
So, this is where I'm a little concerned based on the Pleasanton case.

5400
06:48:27,300 --> 06:48:34,300
Um, of capping it at all, at no more than we need to satisfy the current eight-year housing element.

5401
06:48:34,300 --> 06:48:36,300
That we have to approve.

5402
06:48:36,300 --> 06:48:43,300
So, if we dial it down to the 1386, right?

5403
06:48:43,300 --> 06:48:50,300
Um, it forces us to do another general plan concurrent with the next housing element.

5404
06:48:50,300 --> 06:48:52,300
And even with that, right?

5405
06:48:52,300 --> 06:48:55,300
We may get into some tip with HCD.

5406
06:48:55,300 --> 06:48:56,300
I don't know.

5407
06:48:56,300 --> 06:48:58,300
Do you have any thoughts about this?

5408
06:48:58,300 --> 06:48:59,300
Yeah.

5409
06:48:59,300 --> 06:49:01,300
It's supposedly a 25-year plan.

5410
06:49:01,300 --> 06:49:03,300
I respect that we can dial it down, right?

5411
06:49:03,300 --> 06:49:06,300
I'm just not clear that it makes sense to dial it down all the way to.

5412
06:49:06,300 --> 06:49:09,300
I mean, it's currently at 1895.

5413
06:49:09,300 --> 06:49:17,300
We dial it down to 1386, which is the housing element with margin that we're being asked to approve.

5414
06:49:17,300 --> 06:49:21,300
It feels like a point.

5415
06:49:21,300 --> 06:49:24,300
I'm not looking for to pick a fight with HCD.

5416
06:49:24,300 --> 06:49:25,300
Okay.

5417
06:49:25,300 --> 06:49:29,300
It's not like we're being bullied, but I see...

5418
06:49:29,300 --> 06:49:31,300
So, you're asking a theme editor.

5419
06:49:31,300 --> 06:49:36,300
Well, I'm asking for some advice here on a plan that's supposedly 25.

5420
06:49:36,300 --> 06:49:38,300
Can I say slightly tighter version in that question?

5421
06:49:38,300 --> 06:49:39,300
Yes.

5422
06:49:39,300 --> 06:49:40,300
Yeah, please.

5423
06:49:40,300 --> 06:49:45,300
Can we give you a certain number of sites that's a small number that just barely makes it.

5424
06:49:45,300 --> 06:49:48,300
And then have alternate sites that you can propose the FHCD.

5425
06:49:48,300 --> 06:49:49,300
Turns out this one's down.

5426
06:49:50,300 --> 06:49:51,300
Yeah, we can.

5427
06:49:51,300 --> 06:49:56,300
And then the general plan would default to whatever the number that's required to meet the requirements.

5428
06:49:56,300 --> 06:49:59,300
Yeah, I think so.

5429
06:49:59,300 --> 06:50:08,300
I just wanted to remind you that the housing allocation also needs to accommodate the R1s and the LR2s that come up that.

5430
06:50:08,300 --> 06:50:10,300
Where we get on our two or three.

5431
06:50:10,300 --> 06:50:11,300
All right.

5432
06:50:11,300 --> 06:50:14,300
So we need to send the words you can leave the residential where it's at.

5433
06:50:14,300 --> 06:50:17,300
And as we can set the housing units where they need to go.

5434
06:50:18,300 --> 06:50:20,300
Pretty too deep.

5435
06:50:20,300 --> 06:50:22,300
Okay, so.

5436
06:50:22,300 --> 06:50:23,300
Again.

5437
06:50:23,300 --> 06:50:24,300
Yeah.

5438
06:50:24,300 --> 06:50:25,300
Okay.

5439
06:50:25,300 --> 06:50:31,300
I'm willing to dial it down to something that doesn't create more.

5440
06:50:31,300 --> 06:50:33,300
More pain that would have us.

5441
06:50:33,300 --> 06:50:37,300
Get some bonus units from the state.

5442
06:50:37,300 --> 06:50:38,300
Yeah.

5443
06:50:38,300 --> 06:50:40,300
Whatever that looks like.

5444
06:50:40,300 --> 06:50:41,300
Got it.

5445
06:50:41,300 --> 06:50:42,300
Okay.

5446
06:50:42,300 --> 06:50:44,300
Or Africa ask each other questions.

5447
06:50:44,300 --> 06:50:48,300
Do you support the community benefits that staff for a community?

5448
06:50:48,300 --> 06:50:49,300
Yes or no.

5449
06:50:49,300 --> 06:50:50,300
Yeah.

5450
06:50:50,300 --> 06:50:51,300
I do.

5451
06:50:51,300 --> 06:50:54,300
I support the community benefits.

5452
06:50:54,300 --> 06:50:55,300
Concept.

5453
06:50:55,300 --> 06:50:57,300
I think it needs to be definitely fleshed out.

5454
06:50:57,300 --> 06:51:01,300
I don't think it can be as soft as it seems to have been.

5455
06:51:01,300 --> 06:51:03,300
But I think.

5456
06:51:03,300 --> 06:51:04,300
You know, we've.

5457
06:51:04,300 --> 06:51:06,300
I mean, so far we've.

5458
06:51:06,300 --> 06:51:07,300
We've.

5459
06:51:07,300 --> 06:51:09,300
We've made retail as glowing community.

5460
06:51:09,300 --> 06:51:13,300
I mean, everything is just like retail and I think in.

5461
06:51:13,300 --> 06:51:16,300
A number of cases.

5462
06:51:16,300 --> 06:51:20,300
There are many things that the community would really value more than.

5463
06:51:20,300 --> 06:51:23,300
Some ground floor retail may or may not perform.

5464
06:51:23,300 --> 06:51:27,300
So retail could be a community benefit because it would be just one of them.

5465
06:51:27,300 --> 06:51:32,300
And if we can do something to help transportation helps the schools directly.

5466
06:51:32,300 --> 06:51:34,300
Helps.

5467
06:51:34,300 --> 06:51:38,300
Some other space and meeting space or whatever, you know,

5468
06:51:38,300 --> 06:51:41,300
there's a lot of good ideas tonight about community benefit.

5469
06:51:41,300 --> 06:51:46,300
And by the way, parks are included in any of these development plans, just like the one that we did.

5470
06:51:46,300 --> 06:51:50,300
And and and Apple campus has a fair amount of money to spend on.

5471
06:51:50,300 --> 06:51:53,300
That's dedicated to parks as well.

5472
06:51:53,300 --> 06:51:55,300
So that is will help.

5473
06:51:55,300 --> 06:51:58,300
Work on that problem that came up earlier.

5474
06:51:58,300 --> 06:52:01,300
So yeah, I like the concept of community benefits.

5475
06:52:01,300 --> 06:52:05,300
I like the the concept of making it broad.

5476
06:52:05,300 --> 06:52:08,300
I like the concept of.

5477
06:52:08,300 --> 06:52:14,300
The possibility of making it through in cash type of thing where we could actually spend the money.

5478
06:52:14,300 --> 06:52:16,300
And if possible.

5479
06:52:16,300 --> 06:52:19,300
So yes, I'm going to favor that.

5480
06:52:19,300 --> 06:52:20,300
Okay.

5481
06:52:20,300 --> 06:52:23,300
And building heights does a sea council has.

5482
06:52:23,300 --> 06:52:30,300
Any recommendations you use to the balance plan heights recommended in these specific areas.

5483
06:52:30,300 --> 06:52:37,300
I think I'm okay with the balance plan heights with the with the.

5484
06:52:37,300 --> 06:52:42,300
Again, the community benefits giving you some flexibility to go higher.

5485
06:52:42,300 --> 06:52:48,300
But you know, the higher you go the more the more the community benefit better be really really be there.

5486
06:52:48,300 --> 06:52:53,300
So and then there's two exceptions that staff wrote up in the staff report was.

5487
06:52:53,300 --> 06:52:58,300
Could be in requested 110 feet versus 90.

5488
06:52:58,300 --> 06:53:00,300
Five 90 feet, I think.

5489
06:53:00,300 --> 06:53:03,300
Yeah, I'm not like.

5490
06:53:03,300 --> 06:53:06,300
If.

5491
06:53:06,300 --> 06:53:09,300
The discussion earlier about.

5492
06:53:09,300 --> 06:53:13,300
An alternate way to get.

5493
06:53:13,300 --> 06:53:17,300
To get the benefits that that they're proposing.

5494
06:53:17,300 --> 06:53:22,300
You know, the current plan is to keep a company on the same and then build a big high thing next to it.

5495
06:53:22,300 --> 06:53:27,300
And I think that and integrated a more integrated approach will be better.

5496
06:53:27,300 --> 06:53:30,300
And then it wouldn't have to have as high a height.

5497
06:53:30,300 --> 06:53:32,300
So serial key with what's down.

5498
06:53:32,300 --> 06:53:34,300
Yes, got it.

5499
06:53:34,300 --> 06:53:36,300
Okay.

5500
06:53:36,300 --> 06:53:37,300
You're on it.

5501
06:53:37,300 --> 06:53:38,300
Yeah.

5502
06:53:38,300 --> 06:53:39,300
Can you benefit some heights?

5503
06:53:39,300 --> 06:53:41,300
Um.

5504
06:53:46,300 --> 06:53:48,300
So.

5505
06:53:48,300 --> 06:53:50,300
Here's where I'm at.

5506
06:53:51,300 --> 06:53:59,300
I don't think people moved to Cupertino because of the wonderful city council or the parks or anything else.

5507
06:53:59,300 --> 06:54:04,300
I think people moved to Cupertino because of our great schools.

5508
06:54:04,300 --> 06:54:16,300
And quite frankly, I'm so disappointed in the the formula nature of this that has.

5509
06:54:16,300 --> 06:54:19,300
By state mandate.

5510
06:54:19,300 --> 06:54:23,300
A set of school impact fees that is so.

5511
06:54:23,300 --> 06:54:27,300
Horribly miniscule that doesn't possibly compensate.

5512
06:54:27,300 --> 06:54:31,300
Our schools when they have to take extra loan.

5513
06:54:31,300 --> 06:54:35,300
Number one to build classrooms to capital cost to do that.

5514
06:54:35,300 --> 06:54:36,300
Okay.

5515
06:54:36,300 --> 06:54:39,300
And number two to continue to operate the school.

5516
06:54:39,300 --> 06:54:42,300
I think the community would feel.

5517
06:54:43,300 --> 06:54:45,300
Fine with growth.

5518
06:54:45,300 --> 06:54:50,300
A lot of folks in the community would feel fine with modest growth.

5519
06:54:50,300 --> 06:54:51,300
Um.

5520
06:54:51,300 --> 06:54:54,300
If schools were made whole.

5521
06:54:54,300 --> 06:54:58,300
So where I'm at is today we say you get.

5522
06:54:58,300 --> 06:55:01,300
45 feet.

5523
06:55:01,300 --> 06:55:03,300
And 60 with retail.

5524
06:55:03,300 --> 06:55:09,300
Well, quite frankly, okay, a couple of weeks ago we approved a hotel project in this room.

5525
06:55:10,300 --> 06:55:11,300
Um.

5526
06:55:11,300 --> 06:55:13,300
It had a retail component.

5527
06:55:13,300 --> 06:55:15,300
And I'm not saying I'm not.

5528
06:55:15,300 --> 06:55:18,300
Trying to be too negative about the retail component.

5529
06:55:18,300 --> 06:55:20,300
But as part of that process, I asked.

5530
06:55:20,300 --> 06:55:24,300
I said, you know, what's good enough for retail is selling toothpaste.

5531
06:55:24,300 --> 06:55:27,300
From the front tests desk.

5532
06:55:27,300 --> 06:55:29,300
Is that a retail component?

5533
06:55:29,300 --> 06:55:34,300
Is it enough that somebody would put in the breakfast bar.

5534
06:55:34,300 --> 06:55:37,300
Uh, for the benefit of guests that.

5535
06:55:37,300 --> 06:55:40,300
They would have done anyway.

5536
06:55:40,300 --> 06:55:44,300
I and and Mark pointed out that well, this is how.

5537
06:55:44,300 --> 06:55:45,300
How the council.

5538
06:55:45,300 --> 06:55:48,300
What the council is allowed over time.

5539
06:55:48,300 --> 06:55:53,300
Um, and I would know on the project and, you know, like I had a number of reasons.

5540
06:55:53,300 --> 06:55:57,300
But I don't think unqualified.

5541
06:55:57,300 --> 06:56:01,300
Um, benefits in my mind are good enough.

5542
06:56:01,300 --> 06:56:03,300
And I would like to see us make schools whole.

5543
06:56:03,300 --> 06:56:06,300
I would like to see a community benefits program.

5544
06:56:06,300 --> 06:56:09,300
For anything in the city over 45 feet.

5545
06:56:09,300 --> 06:56:12,300
And I would like that to be quantified.

5546
06:56:12,300 --> 06:56:14,300
I would like it to have real teeth.

5547
06:56:14,300 --> 06:56:16,300
That means, okay.

5548
06:56:16,300 --> 06:56:18,300
Maybe it also has to include retail.

5549
06:56:18,300 --> 06:56:19,300
I'm open to that.

5550
06:56:19,300 --> 06:56:24,300
But I want to see a pro forma that explains what.

5551
06:56:24,300 --> 06:56:27,300
Yes, effectively the the profit.

5552
06:56:27,300 --> 06:56:31,300
A developer or operator is making.

5553
06:56:32,300 --> 06:56:36,300
On anything above that 45 feet.

5554
06:56:36,300 --> 06:56:40,300
And I think staff is proposed the model that would say.

5555
06:56:40,300 --> 06:56:44,300
Take 15% of the net present value or some such thing.

5556
06:56:44,300 --> 06:56:46,300
And.

5557
06:56:46,300 --> 06:56:49,300
I would like to.

5558
06:56:49,300 --> 06:56:50,300
Have that quantified.

5559
06:56:50,300 --> 06:56:52,300
I'd like it to be a pro forma.

5560
06:56:52,300 --> 06:56:54,300
I think when we do these.

5561
06:56:54,300 --> 06:56:57,300
I need RT to participate with me here.

5562
06:56:57,300 --> 06:56:59,300
So when we do these development agreements.

5563
06:56:59,300 --> 06:57:02,300
I don't want them done behind closed doors.

5564
06:57:02,300 --> 06:57:05,300
I want them done in an open process or at least reviewed.

5565
06:57:05,300 --> 06:57:08,300
I mean, I'm not saying discussions can't take place.

5566
06:57:08,300 --> 06:57:13,300
But I would like to see open discussion.

5567
06:57:13,300 --> 06:57:16,300
With the community as part of the outreach.

5568
06:57:16,300 --> 06:57:19,300
As these agreements are formulated.

5569
06:57:19,300 --> 06:57:22,300
And certainly as their past, okay.

5570
06:57:22,300 --> 06:57:25,300
Is there anything in what I'm saying that doesn't work here.

5571
06:57:25,300 --> 06:57:28,300
From a legal point of view.

5572
06:57:29,300 --> 06:57:32,300
Not that I can think of.

5573
06:57:32,300 --> 06:57:33,300
Okay.

5574
06:57:33,300 --> 06:57:34,300
So.

5575
06:57:34,300 --> 06:57:38,300
I look at examples of what we've done with retail.

5576
06:57:38,300 --> 06:57:40,300
Not under the current general plan, even.

5577
06:57:40,300 --> 06:57:42,300
But take a look at the bullage.

5578
06:57:42,300 --> 06:57:46,300
And the associated business is sitting in city center.

5579
06:57:46,300 --> 06:57:49,300
Take a look at.

5580
06:57:49,300 --> 06:57:52,300
That are in suite take a look at the the image.

5581
06:57:52,300 --> 06:57:53,300
He's restaurant right.

5582
06:57:53,300 --> 06:57:55,300
There's so little retail in these projects.

5583
06:57:55,300 --> 06:57:56,300
There's not critical mass.

5584
06:57:57,300 --> 06:57:59,300
It's not a destination.

5585
06:57:59,300 --> 06:58:02,300
It's retail.

5586
06:58:02,300 --> 06:58:04,300
I'm not saying I don't go to those businesses.

5587
06:58:04,300 --> 06:58:05,300
I do regularly.

5588
06:58:05,300 --> 06:58:07,300
But you know, that's not the kind of benefit.

5589
06:58:07,300 --> 06:58:09,300
That's not the magnitude of benefit.

5590
06:58:09,300 --> 06:58:12,300
I think our residents are are looking for.

5591
06:58:12,300 --> 06:58:14,300
For the exception of height.

5592
06:58:14,300 --> 06:58:17,300
And so I would say.

5593
06:58:17,300 --> 06:58:20,300
45 feet and then we can then we can talk.

5594
06:58:20,300 --> 06:58:22,300
We can have a negotiation.

5595
06:58:23,300 --> 06:58:26,300
The public can engage and we can see.

5596
06:58:26,300 --> 06:58:27,300
Including the school districts.

5597
06:58:27,300 --> 06:58:30,300
We can see what it takes.

5598
06:58:30,300 --> 06:58:34,300
Particularly for housing projects to make the school district hall.

5599
06:58:34,300 --> 06:58:37,300
And make that part of the discussion.

5600
06:58:37,300 --> 06:58:41,300
And you know, developers that say, well, we we can satisfy.

5601
06:58:41,300 --> 06:58:45,300
We're going to satisfy our housing element at 45 feet.

5602
06:58:45,300 --> 06:58:46,300
Great.

5603
06:58:46,300 --> 06:58:47,300
Let them do that.

5604
06:58:47,300 --> 06:58:49,300
But if they want more than that.

5605
06:58:49,300 --> 06:58:51,300
Then I think we have a negotiated agreement.

5606
06:58:51,300 --> 06:58:54,300
So that's where I'm at.

5607
06:58:54,300 --> 06:58:55,300
And yeah, okay.

5608
06:58:55,300 --> 06:58:57,300
I'm a hotel question.

5609
06:58:57,300 --> 06:58:59,300
I would like to see Cooper T.

5610
06:58:59,300 --> 06:59:00,300
Noin.

5611
06:59:00,300 --> 06:59:02,300
Yeah.

5612
06:59:02,300 --> 06:59:06,300
It's a building that needs to be.

5613
06:59:06,300 --> 06:59:07,300
Redone.

5614
06:59:07,300 --> 06:59:09,300
So I would like to see that property.

5615
06:59:09,300 --> 06:59:11,300
I would like to see it a better plan for that.

5616
06:59:11,300 --> 06:59:12,300
I'm not looking for an exception.

5617
06:59:12,300 --> 06:59:14,300
It's more or less the balance height.

5618
06:59:14,300 --> 06:59:15,300
That's never committed.

5619
06:59:15,300 --> 06:59:16,300
Okay.

5620
06:59:17,300 --> 06:59:18,300
Okay.

5621
06:59:18,300 --> 06:59:20,300
How's working?

5622
06:59:20,300 --> 06:59:23,300
I like that.

5623
06:59:23,300 --> 06:59:24,300
Okay.

5624
06:59:24,300 --> 06:59:25,300
Can I swear.

5625
06:59:25,300 --> 06:59:28,300
A central.

5626
06:59:28,300 --> 06:59:31,300
You guys are great.

5627
06:59:31,300 --> 06:59:32,300
You're quiet.

5628
06:59:32,300 --> 06:59:33,300
You're staying here.

5629
06:59:33,300 --> 06:59:34,300
You're patient.

5630
06:59:34,300 --> 06:59:35,300
Thank you for your patience.

5631
06:59:35,300 --> 06:59:37,300
It's been a long night.

5632
06:59:37,300 --> 06:59:38,300
Like you.

5633
06:59:38,300 --> 06:59:40,300
I'm a little bit concerned.

5634
06:59:40,300 --> 06:59:42,300
A lot concerned about the community input process.

5635
06:59:42,300 --> 06:59:45,300
I've heard a lot of complaints about how the.

5636
06:59:45,300 --> 06:59:48,300
Study groups were in the public.

5637
06:59:48,300 --> 06:59:51,300
And in that kind of concerns me.

5638
06:59:51,300 --> 06:59:54,300
I'm glad to see you all here tonight.

5639
06:59:54,300 --> 06:59:57,300
Let me start on housing.

5640
06:59:57,300 --> 07:00:00,300
If I thought we could get away with tape.

5641
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:07,000
We're taking on the state government and not putting in any housing. I would vote for that, but it seems

5642
07:00:07,000 --> 07:00:12,000
that pretty much without exception everyone who stood up to that gorilla has been slaughtered.

5643
07:00:12,000 --> 07:00:18,000
And I don't want our community to get stuck with a lot of housing units in places we don't want.

5644
07:00:18,000 --> 07:00:27,000
So I'm going to argue for the minimum at that point. We'll get down to details later, and for having some additional

5645
07:00:27,000 --> 07:00:31,000
additional ones that staff can fall back on if needed.

5646
07:00:31,000 --> 07:00:37,000
With regards to, was it 13?

5647
07:00:37,000 --> 07:00:41,000
Well, it's actually a thousand and two, I believe.

5648
07:00:41,000 --> 07:00:43,000
Okay, thank you.

5649
07:00:43,000 --> 07:00:47,000
I've heard that number and I've heard that number and I've heard that number and I've heard that number

5650
07:00:47,000 --> 07:00:51,000
but there's 62 we get credit for.

5651
07:00:51,000 --> 07:01:02,000
We get credit for 62 because about 30 have been built since January 1st of this year,

5652
07:01:02,000 --> 07:01:06,000
for small subdivisions and other projects.

5653
07:01:06,000 --> 07:01:08,000
And for another 30 minutes.

5654
07:01:08,000 --> 07:01:11,000
Sorry, but don't try another mic because that mic is coming.

5655
07:01:11,000 --> 07:01:13,000
There we go.

5656
07:01:13,000 --> 07:01:14,000
All right.

5657
07:01:14,000 --> 07:01:19,000
I'd rather hear your voice in the home.

5658
07:01:20,000 --> 07:01:23,000
So it's a total of 164.

5659
07:01:23,000 --> 07:01:32,000
But as we've said, we get credit for 30 that have been approved since January 1st of this year.

5660
07:01:32,000 --> 07:01:39,000
And 32 second units that we can take credit for for the eight year period based on our past history.

5661
07:01:39,000 --> 07:01:43,000
So we were able to do that last time and we hope to do that again.

5662
07:01:43,000 --> 07:01:48,000
So as the slide shows, a thousand two units are remaining.

5663
07:01:48,000 --> 07:01:50,000
Thank you so much.

5664
07:01:50,000 --> 07:02:00,000
And it's so with the margin that you think we need to satisfy HCD above that minimum 1,000 and two remaining.

5665
07:02:00,000 --> 07:02:01,000
Right.

5666
07:02:01,000 --> 07:02:03,000
How many do we need total?

5667
07:02:03,000 --> 07:02:04,000
What's the number?

5668
07:02:04,000 --> 07:02:09,000
We are being told about 40% which is why we're saying about 1,400 units.

5669
07:02:09,000 --> 07:02:17,000
And I think what council member Centaur is suggesting is that we try to go with the minimum and have some alternative sites that can get to the 1,400.

5670
07:02:17,000 --> 07:02:22,000
So the 1386.

5671
07:02:22,000 --> 07:02:23,000
That is correct.

5672
07:02:23,000 --> 07:02:28,000
And that they drop off the general plan of housing elements sites if they're not required.

5673
07:02:28,000 --> 07:02:39,000
I'd also like to request that we consider looking into our one housing to eat up some of those because if we look at all the R1 housing, it could be some divided.

5674
07:02:39,000 --> 07:02:44,000
We should be able to take some off that list, I think.

5675
07:02:44,000 --> 07:02:46,000
I know you're going to tell me that's hard work.

5676
07:02:46,000 --> 07:02:48,000
You got to come up a little bit.

5677
07:02:48,000 --> 07:02:49,000
Right.

5678
07:02:49,000 --> 07:02:52,000
We have to identify the actual sites.

5679
07:02:52,000 --> 07:02:53,000
I understand.

5680
07:02:53,000 --> 07:02:54,000
Okay.

5681
07:02:54,000 --> 07:02:57,000
There's 20,000 properties.

5682
07:02:57,000 --> 07:02:58,000
Yeah.

5683
07:02:58,000 --> 07:03:00,000
But there's something that are clearly bigger than the rest of the surrounding neighborhood.

5684
07:03:00,000 --> 07:03:04,000
I don't think they're that impossible to pick out if it drops 100.

5685
07:03:04,000 --> 07:03:10,000
How long are you willing to volunteer your house to be cut into pieces?

5686
07:03:10,000 --> 07:03:11,000
Sure.

5687
07:03:11,000 --> 07:03:12,000
I have a lot of big enough.

5688
07:03:12,000 --> 07:03:21,000
It would count as a site that you'd be subdivided, you bet.

5689
07:03:21,000 --> 07:03:28,000
So anyway, that's, I mean, I've been against high-density housing since I've been in the council for those of you that haven't been around paying attention.

5690
07:03:28,000 --> 07:03:32,000
So that's no change for my general position.

5691
07:03:32,000 --> 07:03:38,000
With regards to office.

5692
07:03:38,000 --> 07:03:40,000
I, the problem with offices.

5693
07:03:40,000 --> 07:03:46,000
So while I'm not against office, I am against additional housing and traffic and things like that.

5694
07:03:46,000 --> 07:03:55,000
And so every time we add, every time we add office, we seem to have to add housing.

5695
07:03:55,000 --> 07:04:00,000
So I'm in favor of adding zero to the housing.

5696
07:04:00,000 --> 07:04:05,000
I'm sorry to the office allocation.

5697
07:04:06,000 --> 07:04:11,000
I think that, with regards to Valco, if they want to come in with a specific plan.

5698
07:04:11,000 --> 07:04:13,000
Could I just ask you for a short for hotel and coverage?

5699
07:04:13,000 --> 07:04:15,000
Can I just go, good morning, please.

5700
07:04:15,000 --> 07:04:16,000
Thank you.

5701
07:04:16,000 --> 07:04:21,000
With regards to Valco, I know that that creates a problem, but I think Valco should be a standalone thing.

5702
07:04:21,000 --> 07:04:23,000
And they should feel out and decide what does it.

5703
07:04:23,000 --> 07:04:29,000
And I think that the whole thing should be looked at in terms of they can always be a general plan invitation or something at that point.

5704
07:04:29,000 --> 07:04:31,000
But rather than just say, here's a bucket.

5705
07:04:31,000 --> 07:04:34,000
It looks to a future council. That bucket is the bucket.

5706
07:04:34,000 --> 07:04:42,000
I think that there should be a proposal that's worked out with the community and then figure out what that what those numbers are.

5707
07:04:42,000 --> 07:04:46,000
So there would be with the specific plan requirement, right?

5708
07:04:46,000 --> 07:04:47,000
Correct.

5709
07:04:47,000 --> 07:04:55,000
The question of, I just don't like to put a big number out there because then it seems like everyone seems to feel that that's the number that people are entitled to later.

5710
07:04:55,000 --> 07:05:00,000
Okay, we can, let's, we can talk more later.

5711
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:06,000
In other words, you would do another general plan amendment for Valco with the specific plan, yeah.

5712
07:05:06,000 --> 07:05:07,000
Okay.

5713
07:05:07,000 --> 07:05:08,000
Right here.

5714
07:05:08,000 --> 07:05:09,000
Yeah.

5715
07:05:09,000 --> 07:05:17,000
With regards to the hotel, I'm okay with that, with the hotel allocation that was proposed by the Planning Commission.

5716
07:05:17,000 --> 07:05:26,000
I think that we're definitely having enough commercial already that were short hotel space.

5717
07:05:26,000 --> 07:05:30,000
I'm okay with what was proposed by the Planning Commission.

5718
07:05:30,000 --> 07:05:31,000
Community benefits.

5719
07:05:31,000 --> 07:05:37,000
I'm a no currently and I get a good reason because I hate the height exception for, quote, retail.

5720
07:05:37,000 --> 07:05:38,000
I never know what that means.

5721
07:05:38,000 --> 07:05:39,000
It's big.

5722
07:05:39,000 --> 07:05:40,000
I agree with the public.

5723
07:05:40,000 --> 07:05:41,000
I don't like it.

5724
07:05:41,000 --> 07:05:43,000
I think that should be taken out.

5725
07:05:43,000 --> 07:05:48,000
And if you, I do agree with with Vice Mayor Sanks, if we're going to put something in, it should be specific.

5726
07:05:48,000 --> 07:05:55,000
Because it's, it's, it's too vague and it's used as an excuse to, to grant additional heights.

5727
07:05:55,000 --> 07:06:04,000
With regards to heights, I'm pretty much not in favor of changing heights except for two potential locations.

5728
07:06:04,000 --> 07:06:09,000
With regards to the cupatino insight.

5729
07:06:09,000 --> 07:06:16,000
And I'd like to tie this specifically to it being a five star hotel or something that they, there's a reasonable shot at that.

5730
07:06:16,000 --> 07:06:24,000
I think their arguments are that they need a certain number of rooms and a certain amount of meeting space and certain amenities to qualify for more national international type conferences.

5731
07:06:24,000 --> 07:06:25,000
And things.

5732
07:06:25,000 --> 07:06:28,000
And they seem to need that additional heights.

5733
07:06:28,000 --> 07:06:30,000
I would limit it to nine floors.

5734
07:06:30,000 --> 07:06:35,000
And then whatever height that needs to cover to fall into that classification.

5735
07:06:35,000 --> 07:06:45,000
But, but once again, I would tie it to having, you know, a large amount of, I think there's four thousands for a feed or something proposed a meeting space.

5736
07:06:45,000 --> 07:06:46,000
What was that?

5737
07:06:46,000 --> 07:06:47,000
400.

5738
07:06:48,000 --> 07:06:49,000
400.

5739
07:06:49,000 --> 07:06:50,000
Think of a house basis.

5740
07:06:50,000 --> 07:06:51,000
It's like seeding for 400.

5741
07:06:51,000 --> 07:06:52,000
Something to that.

5742
07:06:52,000 --> 07:06:56,000
Whatever that was, I would tie it down to that to that number and a decent size.

5743
07:06:56,000 --> 07:07:02,000
The landing commission recommended a 500 person convention center.

5744
07:07:02,000 --> 07:07:04,000
If that's what you're looking for.

5745
07:07:04,000 --> 07:07:05,000
Was that with the applicant?

5746
07:07:05,000 --> 07:07:10,000
I think the applicant is talking about four thousand square feet of conference space.

5747
07:07:10,000 --> 07:07:11,000
Right.

5748
07:07:11,000 --> 07:07:14,000
Which gets how many people, about 400 people?

5749
07:07:14,000 --> 07:07:18,000
I would think fewer if you add circulation space.

5750
07:07:18,000 --> 07:07:21,000
But, you know, that's the person we go back to.

5751
07:07:21,000 --> 07:07:26,000
We go back and talk about the details if everybody else sits.

5752
07:07:26,000 --> 07:07:33,000
And then, if we choose the Hamptons as a housing site.

5753
07:07:33,000 --> 07:07:37,000
For those that don't understand, it doesn't got a cup of tea in those schools.

5754
07:07:37,000 --> 07:07:38,000
Those are word about high-ed middle school.

5755
07:07:38,000 --> 07:07:42,000
It's actually in Santa Clara schools, which is why I'm interested in the Hamptons sites.

5756
07:07:42,000 --> 07:07:44,000
I would give them the additional footage.

5757
07:07:44,000 --> 07:07:46,000
And I know Jason's out there.

5758
07:07:46,000 --> 07:07:47,000
I'm going to give him a dirty look.

5759
07:07:47,000 --> 07:07:50,000
But I'm even be okay with 75 feet of long-prin rich.

5760
07:07:50,000 --> 07:07:52,000
I think apples worry about the security.

5761
07:07:52,000 --> 07:07:56,000
But if they watch the drone, but if videos, I'm not sure that the height of the house is really,

5762
07:07:56,000 --> 07:07:57,000
really matter.

5763
07:07:57,000 --> 07:08:01,000
I don't, I'm not in favor of rezoning PG&E.

5764
07:08:01,000 --> 07:08:03,000
And then I get everything.

5765
07:08:03,000 --> 07:08:06,000
Thank you.

5766
07:08:06,000 --> 07:08:08,000
Thank you.

5767
07:08:09,000 --> 07:08:10,000
Councillor Chey.

5768
07:08:13,000 --> 07:08:16,000
I think I've been thinking this problem for a long time.

5769
07:08:16,000 --> 07:08:21,000
And then, or night, what's working on the D-I-E issue,

5770
07:08:21,000 --> 07:08:25,000
on the pollution issue, this set it up in 70 years ago,

5771
07:08:25,000 --> 07:08:29,000
and when I look at the picture at that time and you have a picture.

5772
07:08:38,000 --> 07:08:54,180
It doesn't show so pretty well, but it shows something here.

5773
07:08:54,180 --> 07:09:00,160
Back in 70 years ago, Santa Clara County only had 60,000 people.

5774
07:09:00,160 --> 07:09:07,240
So I've been telling everybody, if at that time, no residency, no growth, and then there

5775
07:09:07,240 --> 07:09:12,840
are one point nine million people here, you and I won't be here.

5776
07:09:12,840 --> 07:09:16,000
If those people say, no growth.

5777
07:09:16,000 --> 07:09:19,720
So to say, no growth is very unreasonable, okay?

5778
07:09:19,720 --> 07:09:25,520
We have no right to stop other people, new or commoner to come into this area, and then to

5779
07:09:25,520 --> 07:09:31,560
make this city, and this area, Silicon Valley, economic engine for the state, and then also

5780
07:09:31,560 --> 07:09:33,920
economic engine for the country.

5781
07:09:33,920 --> 07:09:41,120
So the contributions out there, and then to say, no growth is very, my opinion is very unreasonable.

5782
07:09:41,120 --> 07:09:47,600
So I want everybody to think about that way, and then, component of what the state requirement

5783
07:09:47,600 --> 07:09:54,680
if you fight on it, it's already moving up a couple of cities, or it's lost, and then got slaughter.

5784
07:09:54,680 --> 07:09:59,800
And then one day you say, why you can't don't fight on it, it's not what we want to fight on it.

5785
07:09:59,800 --> 07:10:02,000
We have to look at the entire city here.

5786
07:10:02,240 --> 07:10:07,480
You know, yes, today we got three only people here, but also if you look at out, there's another

5787
07:10:07,480 --> 07:10:13,640
58,000 or 60,000, 50,000 people, it's not convenient here in the resident, and then if we

5788
07:10:13,640 --> 07:10:20,400
reduce the authority to, for the land use purpose, then it's inconvenient for everybody, the

5789
07:10:20,400 --> 07:10:24,160
entire city, then we're not doing our job to take care of it.

5790
07:10:24,160 --> 07:10:30,000
And then if the California, we know in the past 20 years, it's continued to grow up in

5791
07:10:30,000 --> 07:10:35,920
the population, and this trend is still continuing, and it has to be shared by every city.

5792
07:10:35,920 --> 07:10:44,400
Okay, I heard the Saratoga, I know Palo Alto, and all the city is talking about not to allow

5793
07:10:44,400 --> 07:10:49,280
the A back to control, but if you don't, then what choice you have.

5794
07:10:49,280 --> 07:10:54,000
So we have to look at the much bigger picture, and that's why I spend time to meet with a different

5795
07:10:54,000 --> 07:10:59,960
group, and ask them, you have to look at what you want for your community, where you live,

5796
07:10:59,960 --> 07:11:03,400
and also what you want for the city, okay.

5797
07:11:03,400 --> 07:11:09,960
Boko Shabon Center, it has been now, I've moved into this area in SC, in 1985, I've been living

5798
07:11:09,960 --> 07:11:17,400
this city for 30 years, when we were moving in, Boko still striving, but then it's went down,

5799
07:11:17,400 --> 07:11:22,520
and then it's just worse to get in worse and worse, and we don't get much of this, the revenue

5800
07:11:22,520 --> 07:11:29,040
from the retail sales tax and all, and to continue to say, Boko, keep it that way, fine, I think

5801
07:11:29,120 --> 07:11:35,360
that's very irresponsible, you can say it, but as the city council is sitting here, I cannot do that,

5802
07:11:35,360 --> 07:11:41,840
I cannot say that, so that the Boko do the way it is, because now we have a chance, you know,

5803
07:11:42,400 --> 07:11:49,520
Mr. Palo, we're in detective risk, I want to do it, I would give him the opportunity to develop,

5804
07:11:49,520 --> 07:11:55,600
and then see what you can do for our city, and of course I will make a requirement in the development

5805
07:11:55,600 --> 07:12:02,560
agreement that you have to provide the shuttle service for the entire city, and then provide

5806
07:12:03,120 --> 07:12:10,640
library, okay, and then also help the school be the cross-room, now we'll be the not development agreement,

5807
07:12:10,640 --> 07:12:19,120
I want the community to participate, okay. And you heard on the EIR report already, even we take no action

5808
07:12:19,120 --> 07:12:29,680
at all, no project at all, the the the EIR quality, the transportation, the noise is beyond, beyond the,

5809
07:12:29,680 --> 07:12:40,480
what you call that severe, but significant but unavoidable now, and then if we do that, we sit and sit down

5810
07:12:40,480 --> 07:12:48,480
to nothing about it, and we continue to have this EIR quality, this transportation problem, and if we can

5811
07:12:48,560 --> 07:12:55,120
take the project in and solve the problem, for example, transportation, with the shuttle bus running around

5812
07:12:55,120 --> 07:13:05,120
the entire city, free for us, for the reason to write on it, I think it's a benefit, and I also

5813
07:13:05,120 --> 07:13:13,040
will reduce the traffic around the city, why not do it? I don't see, instead of doing nothing,

5814
07:13:13,040 --> 07:13:18,880
and then continue the way it is, or doing something to improve it, I would, I would, I would take action

5815
07:13:18,880 --> 07:13:24,400
and improve it. So, this is the question, did you say shuttle bus do you mean one bus or

5816
07:13:24,400 --> 07:13:32,000
no, shuttle bus is a couple buses, you know, like if you check it out, Palo Alto, the Macarita is about

5817
07:13:32,000 --> 07:13:37,440
a cost about $1 million a year, they have several shuttle buses, you know, running around in the

5818
07:13:37,440 --> 07:13:44,960
instead of just one, we have to be quite here, in my opinion, has to be waiting time less than 10 minutes

5819
07:13:44,960 --> 07:13:53,840
for each stop. So, because we don't want to, you know, someone say, yes, I've provided shuttle bus service,

5820
07:13:53,840 --> 07:13:58,560
but then only provide one bus and you have to wait one hour to get the bus, then no one will use it,

5821
07:13:58,560 --> 07:14:04,480
you have to make it workable. So, I would say, waiting time less than 10 minutes, so that's

5822
07:14:04,480 --> 07:14:10,400
the way I would, I would propose, and then, so in that sense, of course, and I told many people,

5823
07:14:12,080 --> 07:14:17,440
don't give me that finger, okay, that's not polite, it's my time to talk. Thank you.

5824
07:14:21,600 --> 07:14:30,240
The development is not the reason, it's not the city council, it's also the owner, the developer,

5825
07:14:30,320 --> 07:14:35,920
it's a three-way negotiation, it has to be makes sense to everybody, you cannot be say,

5826
07:14:35,920 --> 07:14:43,280
well, you know, I'm the resident, I want all the developer, as someone say, text 58 from Valko and then

5827
07:14:43,280 --> 07:14:49,440
make a story, so you make it for the park, that's not reasonable, you have to be reasonable, you have to be fair.

5828
07:14:49,440 --> 07:14:54,160
Well, if you say that someone can say, well, I'll take you a house and then make it a park,

5829
07:14:54,880 --> 07:14:59,920
it doesn't make any sense, right? You have to be reasonable, you have to be accountable for everybody,

5830
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:29,980
So, it's a negotiation between three parties. I know this is not an easy position, easy process to do it, but we all have to do it together. You can not see, you know, city council can not see it. Well, I forget about your input, forget about that input and then just we just do what we want. It's not. You have to everybody has to come in together to make a work. And that's why I'm saying in the development of women, I want to have it every project, development of women, have the community input and then open.

5831
07:15:30,000 --> 07:15:39,000
It's not to the public, it's not to be behind the scene. So, it will be something concrete for the community benefit. So, it sounds like you just support community benefit.

5832
07:15:39,000 --> 07:15:41,000
It's never entirely transparent to me.

5833
07:15:41,000 --> 07:15:53,000
To me, yes, because we never take any community benefit before and we are getting all this problem now and we continue this way here. We are so, I think that's not going to work for the city.

5834
07:15:53,000 --> 07:16:00,000
And I just want to get some clarity on the support of that. Does that mean 600 housing and 2 million office squares?

5835
07:16:00,000 --> 07:16:08,000
Right. And then for the hotel and commercial for the allocation was the status quo.

5836
07:16:08,000 --> 07:16:11,000
Yes. And then for the office, please.

5837
07:16:11,000 --> 07:16:24,000
Well, office, I would like, will retail, the office is too meaningful for the hotel. But retail, retail, the commercial, I would like to increase to now only 60,000 square feet.

5838
07:16:24,000 --> 07:16:33,000
Because I'm expecting if they're successful, they will be run on a retail space. So, I would like to increase that to 750,000 square feet.

5839
07:16:33,000 --> 07:16:37,000
700,000 square feet for commercial. And then office.

5840
07:16:37,000 --> 07:16:47,000
So, this clarification is already 700,000 and there's 1.2 million square feet in Balco and they're thinking of dropping that to half of that so there would be 1,300.

5841
07:16:47,000 --> 07:16:53,000
On the retail, the step proposed 600,000 square feet minimum, right?

5842
07:16:53,000 --> 07:17:01,000
So, I'm proposing minimum raises up to 750,000 square feet. I mean, if it's successful.

5843
07:17:01,000 --> 07:17:04,000
Okay. Just for about a year.

5844
07:17:04,000 --> 07:17:10,000
Just for about a year. If it's successful, they run out of space and then we got a problem.

5845
07:17:10,000 --> 07:17:15,000
And I'm expecting you will be a successful one. Not the one I see it.

5846
07:17:15,000 --> 07:17:19,000
And when I will, if I approve this one, I want to see this will be a successful.

5847
07:17:19,000 --> 07:17:30,000
Everybody want to move into this area and provide the extra space, besides the shuttle bus service, I would like them to provide additional library.

5848
07:17:30,000 --> 07:17:34,000
No, because the current library is 58,000 square feet.

5849
07:17:34,000 --> 07:17:42,000
I would negotiate that you provide another 58,000 square feet in the shopping center and then as a second library there.

5850
07:17:42,000 --> 07:17:45,000
And then we will reduce the pressure on this.

5851
07:17:45,000 --> 07:17:49,000
And this, and I'm making sure the counter is going to stop, but that's a separate issue.

5852
07:17:49,000 --> 07:17:55,000
And then on the office allocation, 500 for sales office like Apple.

5853
07:17:55,000 --> 07:17:58,000
Right. Right. And that will kick you, but found me separate for.

5854
07:17:58,000 --> 07:18:04,000
Okay. And then in an additional, uh, ex amount of office for the other people like Prometheus.

5855
07:18:04,000 --> 07:18:07,000
He wants to increase office. Oaks. Do you have a number?

5856
07:18:07,000 --> 07:18:09,000
I'm agree with the, we'll discuss the numbers.

5857
07:18:09,000 --> 07:18:11,000
Rusting and the or Mahoney.

5858
07:18:11,000 --> 07:18:19,000
Okay. And then, um, the housing, um, I think there was two suggestions, which was 1339 or 102.

5859
07:18:19,000 --> 07:18:21,000
1386.

5860
07:18:21,000 --> 07:18:22,000
I apologize.

5861
07:18:22,000 --> 07:18:24,000
139 is hotel rooms.

5862
07:18:24,000 --> 07:18:26,000
I'm sorry, 1386. I apologize.

5863
07:18:26,000 --> 07:18:31,000
I would go for the, what the step recommend, because that's what the requirement.

5864
07:18:31,000 --> 07:18:37,000
We don't want to get into the minimum and then run out of time and then you come down from the HCA save.

5865
07:18:37,000 --> 07:18:38,000
This is it.

5866
07:18:38,000 --> 07:18:39,000
We have no choice.

5867
07:18:39,000 --> 07:18:40,000
Mm-hmm.

5868
07:18:40,000 --> 07:18:41,000
Okay.

5869
07:18:41,000 --> 07:18:47,000
And then the last question is regarding, uh, height, uh, commissioner in.

5870
07:18:47,000 --> 07:18:52,000
I will go for, because I, I talked to them, they say that if it's not 110,

5871
07:18:52,000 --> 07:18:56,000
it's not going to work for them. So they know what they need to do.

5872
07:18:56,000 --> 07:19:00,000
And then, um, that area have a lease impact on our city.

5873
07:19:00,000 --> 07:19:04,000
It's close to the, on the other side of 85 and not 280.

5874
07:19:04,000 --> 07:19:07,000
So I will go for 110.

5875
07:19:07,000 --> 07:19:10,000
Okay. 110 feet, uh, which is 9, 9 floors.

5876
07:19:10,000 --> 07:19:14,000
And then, uh, the zoning of PG&E, yes or no.

5877
07:19:14,000 --> 07:19:18,000
I can be zoning that to become a school, I would do it.

5878
07:19:18,000 --> 07:19:20,000
You're right now, it's, it's good.

5879
07:19:20,000 --> 07:19:21,000
We shall leave it as well.

5880
07:19:21,000 --> 07:19:22,000
We leave it as well.

5881
07:19:22,000 --> 07:19:23,000
Yeah.

5882
07:19:23,000 --> 07:19:24,000
No problem.

5883
07:19:24,000 --> 07:19:25,000
All right.

5884
07:19:25,000 --> 07:19:26,000
Okay.

5885
07:19:26,000 --> 07:19:27,000
So you didn't ask me that.

5886
07:19:27,000 --> 07:19:28,000
I'm okay with not doing it.

5887
07:19:28,000 --> 07:19:29,000
Okay.

5888
07:19:29,000 --> 07:19:30,000
Okay.

5889
07:19:30,000 --> 07:19:31,000
Even though I have some big.

5890
07:19:31,000 --> 07:19:32,000
Yeah.

5891
07:19:32,000 --> 07:19:33,000
Me too.

5892
07:19:33,000 --> 07:19:34,000
Okay.

5893
07:19:34,000 --> 07:19:35,000
So you're no and no.

5894
07:19:35,000 --> 07:19:36,000
Yeah.

5895
07:19:36,000 --> 07:19:39,000
I think if PG&E feels like they, like the site for keeping our transmission lines up,

5896
07:19:39,000 --> 07:19:40,000
I think it's good.

5897
07:19:40,000 --> 07:19:43,000
And yes, it sounds like it sounds that it could be a school.

5898
07:19:43,000 --> 07:19:46,000
Some day, if PG&E moved out, right?

5899
07:19:46,000 --> 07:19:49,000
I'll, I'll just go back to my public.

5900
07:19:49,000 --> 07:19:50,000
Yeah.

5901
07:19:50,000 --> 07:19:51,000
I'll go back to the hotel.

5902
07:19:51,000 --> 07:19:52,000
But then we ask one question.

5903
07:19:52,000 --> 07:19:54,000
I don't want clarification that I got.

5904
07:19:54,000 --> 07:19:56,000
I got some, I don't want to ask about some of these.

5905
07:19:56,000 --> 07:20:00,000
And then regarding, um, highly support our staff's recommendation.

5906
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:02,000
Recommendation bell sites.

5907
07:20:02,000 --> 07:20:03,000
Right.

5908
07:20:03,000 --> 07:20:05,000
And I will go get the, uh, professional office.

5909
07:20:05,000 --> 07:20:07,000
They would need to 75 feet.

5910
07:20:07,000 --> 07:20:09,000
I will get them at the 75 feet.

5911
07:20:09,000 --> 07:20:12,000
Because if you don't give it to them, they cannot.

5912
07:20:12,000 --> 07:20:13,000
They won't.

5913
07:20:13,000 --> 07:20:15,000
It doesn't make sense for them to remodel it.

5914
07:20:15,000 --> 07:20:18,000
And then they're provided the, they're not asking for the housing unit.

5915
07:20:18,000 --> 07:20:20,000
That was Steve Street office correct.

5916
07:20:20,000 --> 07:20:21,000
Yes.

5917
07:20:21,000 --> 07:20:22,000
Okay.

5918
07:20:24,000 --> 07:20:26,000
So going back to the hotel.

5919
07:20:26,000 --> 07:20:27,000
We're going back to the office.

5920
07:20:27,000 --> 07:20:28,000
Oh, really?

5921
07:20:28,000 --> 07:20:29,000
What?

5922
07:20:29,000 --> 07:20:30,000
I'm very suggested.

5923
07:20:30,000 --> 07:20:33,000
I'm okay with the balance plan.

5924
07:20:33,000 --> 07:20:37,000
I, uh, and now it include,

5925
07:20:37,000 --> 07:20:39,000
and I'm okay with community benefits.

5926
07:20:39,000 --> 07:20:42,000
So, balance plan heights is a standard.

5927
07:20:42,000 --> 07:20:43,000
Right.

5928
07:20:43,000 --> 07:20:44,000
It does 45 and 60.

5929
07:20:44,000 --> 07:20:45,000
Right.

5930
07:20:45,000 --> 07:20:48,000
Except that the 60 doesn't have to be retail.

5931
07:20:48,000 --> 07:20:49,000
Could be retail.

5932
07:20:49,000 --> 07:20:50,000
Could be.

5933
07:20:50,000 --> 07:20:51,000
Could be.

5934
07:20:51,000 --> 07:20:52,000
Could be.

5935
07:20:52,000 --> 07:20:54,000
Would you be open to, like, scientific with community benefits?

5936
07:20:54,000 --> 07:20:58,000
I am.

5937
07:20:58,000 --> 07:20:59,000
Sure.

5938
07:20:59,000 --> 07:21:00,000
Okay.

5939
07:21:00,000 --> 07:21:01,000
Thank you.

5940
07:21:01,000 --> 07:21:02,000
Right.

5941
07:21:02,000 --> 07:21:06,000
I would like the height all over town to be 45 feet.

5942
07:21:07,000 --> 07:21:09,000
Except with community benefits.

5943
07:21:09,000 --> 07:21:11,000
And then I think it's a negotiation.

5944
07:21:11,000 --> 07:21:17,000
And I don't really see going over 90 feet in any circumstance.

5945
07:21:17,000 --> 07:21:20,000
Very, I mean, quite frankly,

5946
07:21:20,000 --> 07:21:25,000
I think the hotel can get done.

5947
07:21:25,000 --> 07:21:29,000
To just put, put this in context.

5948
07:21:29,000 --> 07:21:34,000
We just approved a hotel of 60 feet.

5949
07:21:35,000 --> 07:21:36,000
All right.

5950
07:21:36,000 --> 07:21:38,000
With conference space with a,

5951
07:21:38,000 --> 07:21:41,000
a small restaurant, et cetera, et cetera.

5952
07:21:41,000 --> 07:21:44,000
And now we're hearing that we can't get a great hotel.

5953
07:21:44,000 --> 07:21:47,000
Unless we go to 110 feet really.

5954
07:21:47,000 --> 07:21:51,000
Well, and, and, and, and if the existing Cooper Tino in was taken down,

5955
07:21:51,000 --> 07:21:54,000
I have confidence that we could.

5956
07:21:54,000 --> 07:21:57,000
And I agree with Mark that it ought to be five stars or why bother.

5957
07:21:57,000 --> 07:22:00,000
I mean, yeah, it would have to be a five star full service hotel.

5958
07:22:00,000 --> 07:22:01,000
But I don't.

5959
07:22:01,000 --> 07:22:03,000
I don't want to go to 110 feet per second.

5960
07:22:03,000 --> 07:22:05,000
Because I think that's important.

5961
07:22:05,000 --> 07:22:08,000
So I agree with the five star.

5962
07:22:08,000 --> 07:22:13,000
And the, if it's really going to be 400 people, I just.

5963
07:22:13,000 --> 07:22:15,000
Cranked out my little meeting calculator thing.

5964
07:22:15,000 --> 07:22:17,000
That's a nice little application on a web.

5965
07:22:17,000 --> 07:22:19,000
It's, it's got to be 5,000 square feet.

5966
07:22:19,000 --> 07:22:20,000
So.

5967
07:22:20,000 --> 07:22:24,000
So I think it's got to be 400 people minimum 5,000 square.

5968
07:22:24,000 --> 07:22:27,000
That's, no matter what table configurations.

5969
07:22:27,000 --> 07:22:31,000
So you want to make it that one 6,000 square feet for the conference room?

5970
07:22:31,000 --> 07:22:34,000
I'm okay with 5,000 400 people, but.

5971
07:22:34,000 --> 07:22:37,000
You know, when you see 400 people live them design it.

5972
07:22:37,000 --> 07:22:39,000
It's for that to have a 400 square meter show us.

5973
07:22:39,000 --> 07:22:40,000
Thank you.

5974
07:22:40,000 --> 07:22:41,000
All space.

5975
07:22:41,000 --> 07:22:42,000
Because it has to be for it.

5976
07:22:42,000 --> 07:22:43,000
That can't work right here.

5977
07:22:43,000 --> 07:22:44,000
Yeah, no, no.

5978
07:22:44,000 --> 07:22:45,000
So.

5979
07:22:45,000 --> 07:22:49,000
So I'm, you know, we can go do some straw votes on each of these.

5980
07:22:49,000 --> 07:22:50,000
So I'm still.

5981
07:22:50,000 --> 07:22:54,000
You know, it's still the mighty feet for the hotel.

5982
07:22:54,000 --> 07:22:55,000
I got that out there now.

5983
07:22:55,000 --> 07:22:56,000
Got that.

5984
07:22:56,000 --> 07:22:58,000
I, I, I, I, I got, I got, I got.

5985
07:22:58,000 --> 07:22:59,000
I'm going to go with the first.

5986
07:22:59,000 --> 07:23:02,000
I got you in the, and the, and the fourth five star. Sorry.

5987
07:23:02,000 --> 07:23:03,000
The requirement.

5988
07:23:03,000 --> 07:23:04,000
Got it.

5989
07:23:04,000 --> 07:23:06,000
And then both of you were no on the PG.

5990
07:23:06,000 --> 07:23:07,000
Reson.

5991
07:23:07,000 --> 07:23:08,000
Correct.

5992
07:23:08,000 --> 07:23:09,000
Okay.

5993
07:23:09,000 --> 07:23:10,000
But you wanted a 90 foot height limit.

5994
07:23:10,000 --> 07:23:11,000
Yes.

5995
07:23:11,000 --> 07:23:12,000
I don't know.

5996
07:23:12,000 --> 07:23:13,000
Yeah.

5997
07:23:13,000 --> 07:23:14,000
Yeah.

5998
07:23:14,000 --> 07:23:15,000
I'm okay with the 90 feet.

5999
07:23:15,000 --> 07:23:16,000
Which they said they can't do it in.

6000
07:23:16,000 --> 07:23:17,000
So they have to.

6001
07:23:17,000 --> 07:23:19,000
Well, they're going to have to care.

6002
07:23:19,000 --> 07:23:20,000
Care down the existing Cooperate.

6003
07:23:20,000 --> 07:23:21,000
No, I didn't do it.

6004
07:23:21,000 --> 07:23:22,000
And I can't.

6005
07:23:22,000 --> 07:23:23,000
I would give him a much bigger.

6006
07:23:23,000 --> 07:23:24,000
I guess I believe.

6007
07:23:24,000 --> 07:23:25,000
I will believe that they,

6008
07:23:25,000 --> 07:23:28,000
as a stand alone thing, they need the extra height.

6009
07:23:28,000 --> 07:23:29,000
So we'll see.

6010
07:23:29,000 --> 07:23:30,000
I'll see a lot of people.

6011
07:23:30,000 --> 07:23:31,000
Sounds like they're my sheets enough.

6012
07:23:31,000 --> 07:23:33,000
So I get to deliberate.

6013
07:23:33,000 --> 07:23:34,000
Really?

6014
07:23:34,000 --> 07:23:35,000
Yes.

6015
07:23:35,000 --> 07:23:36,000
I get to deliberate.

6016
07:23:36,000 --> 07:23:37,000
It is.

6017
07:23:37,000 --> 07:23:42,000
To 40 in the, in the morning, and again, I want to see, thank you very much to the audience for your patience.

6018
07:23:42,000 --> 07:23:45,000
I'm going to start out with a very, very, very full house.

6019
07:23:45,000 --> 07:23:49,000
And it really appreciate as this is my second time going through the journal plan

6020
07:23:49,000 --> 07:23:52,000
on amendment, and this is something that's really important for the community.

6021
07:23:52,000 --> 07:23:54,000
We heard a lot of different voices.

6022
07:23:54,000 --> 07:24:00,000
different voices, a lot of different opinion, and I would have to tend to agree with the majority of the

6023
07:24:00,000 --> 07:24:06,000
sea council, is that when I ran for sea council, and when I ran for a re-election, I was quoted by the

6024
07:24:06,000 --> 07:24:12,000
sounds, this is journal, was that vocal was something that was very important to me. When I was not living

6025
07:24:12,000 --> 07:24:19,000
for Latino, before I lived in Capitino, Valley Fair was just dead, and the best place to go shopping was

6026
07:24:19,000 --> 07:24:24,000
vocal, fashion, part, mall. Bullocks, gap. It was just a place to be when you were a high school kid,

6027
07:24:24,000 --> 07:24:29,000
and a college kid, was to come to Capitino, come to the wonderful library, come for one for shopping,

6028
07:24:29,000 --> 07:24:35,000
and, unfortunately, the mall has come to this repair. Now we have a opportunity that somebody has

6029
07:24:35,000 --> 07:24:42,000
came to town, probably way paid over paid the price. I mean, it's in the newspaper and it's public information

6030
07:24:43,000 --> 07:24:52,000
if you go to the county records, and you can see how much sale Hill has paid for it. So, they

6031
07:24:52,000 --> 07:24:58,000
would still have to go through a two year specific plan process. They would still have to go through

6032
07:24:58,000 --> 07:25:04,000
community outreach, and they have done it through Main Street, and it would be a very hard and challenging

6033
07:25:05,000 --> 07:25:12,000
process, and Mr. Powell has done it before, but I believe that he would be very challenging

6034
07:25:12,000 --> 07:25:19,000
and would have to go through it process. So, I do support the 600 housing units and the two million

6035
07:25:19,000 --> 07:25:27,000
square foot of office, and you have to think about it. That wouldn't be, and I, of course, I agree with

6036
07:25:27,000 --> 07:25:33,000
by some of the things that there would be a time limit of no more than four years, because if you don't have it

6037
07:25:33,000 --> 07:25:39,000
happen, it won't happen, but those 600 housing units and those two million office squares would be tied up

6038
07:25:39,000 --> 07:25:47,000
for about four years, which you see some process within two years to see what specific plan says, because there will be

6039
07:25:47,000 --> 07:25:55,000
another opportunity for the community to voice it. But, given opportunity to San Hill and see what

6040
07:25:55,000 --> 07:26:02,000
they can move forward on that, but I think that this is an opportunity, and this is an opportunity for

6041
07:26:02,000 --> 07:26:08,000
him to find the capital, but I think that if you're going to do the mall, and I think elsewhere in

6042
07:26:08,000 --> 07:26:13,000
Chang has his concerns, I also have my concerns with the mall too, which I have voice to Mr. Powell,

6043
07:26:13,000 --> 07:26:19,000
that we would have to keep the ice ring, we would have to keep the rolling alley, we would

6044
07:26:19,000 --> 07:26:25,000
have to keep, you know, the AMC theaters. These are all community benefits that we want, and

6045
07:26:25,000 --> 07:26:32,000
also we want to keep, you know, the bank would haul for that Chinese restaurant as well too.

6046
07:26:32,000 --> 07:26:37,000
All these things that it makes, as well as the rolling alley, that makes the mall special.

6047
07:26:37,000 --> 07:26:45,000
The part that's missing there is the retail. And as Mr. Randall said, a couple hours ago, is that it depends on

6048
07:26:45,000 --> 07:26:55,000
what kind of retail that you have. You can have 1.2 million retail that can be horrible, and you can have 600 or 700,000

6049
07:26:55,000 --> 07:27:02,000
square foot of retail that can produce even the same as 1.2 million or even more.

6050
07:27:02,000 --> 07:27:11,000
So it's up to Mr. Powell to prove to the community that he can do less. So I'm willing to work

6051
07:27:11,000 --> 07:27:19,000
between 600, 700 square feet and have him prove to the community that he can do with less and

6052
07:27:19,000 --> 07:27:26,000
produce the same amount of 1.2 million square foot of or higher. In regards to the allocations,

6053
07:27:27,000 --> 07:27:34,000
the office, I agree with my colleagues, 500,000 for a major salespeople like Apple

6054
07:27:34,000 --> 07:27:39,000
ength. We need to attract those companies to either remain here or our new companies.

6055
07:27:39,000 --> 07:27:46,000
Also, regarding to hotel and commercial, I agree with Councilor Chen,

6056
07:27:46,000 --> 07:27:50,000
down commercial that should be increased to 750,000 square feet.

6057
07:27:50,000 --> 07:27:57,000
The hotel is worth to African men at 1339, and then for the housing allocation is worth

6058
07:27:57,000 --> 07:28:03,000
to have for a committed at 1336.

6059
07:28:03,000 --> 07:28:08,000
Can I ask a good question about this? Because I think what staff was recommending was a certain

6060
07:28:08,000 --> 07:28:18,000
minimum. The retail component at Valco. Can you clarify whether you were looking for a minimum

6061
07:28:19,000 --> 07:28:21,000
there or yeah, that's a minimum.

6062
07:28:21,000 --> 07:28:26,000
We were recommending sorry, a minimum of 600,000 square feet.

6063
07:28:26,000 --> 07:28:31,000
It could always go more, but it's up to the council to, and we based that on what the retail

6064
07:28:31,000 --> 07:28:33,000
consultant told us.

6065
07:28:33,000 --> 07:28:37,000
But I have to question about that because it sounds nice to just say let's make it 750.

6066
07:28:37,000 --> 07:28:39,000
Why not make it 1 million, right?

6067
07:28:39,000 --> 07:28:47,000
But isn't it fair to say that, you know, if you're balancing it out that the more

6068
07:28:48,000 --> 07:28:54,000
that is, the more likely it is that they're going to be at the high end of the office in the housing

6069
07:28:54,000 --> 07:28:57,000
to make it work?

6070
07:28:57,000 --> 07:29:03,000
No, it's more likely you'll get inferior retail on the margin.

6071
07:29:03,000 --> 07:29:08,000
Because they'll have to fill it and get tenants that can't pay.

6072
07:29:08,000 --> 07:29:14,000
This is my trend and it'll, you know, not maybe dollar store, but not maybe what we want.

6073
07:29:14,000 --> 07:29:17,000
So staff feels comfortable with the 640 is a good number.

6074
07:29:17,000 --> 07:29:23,000
We recommend it 100 because the retail consultants said somewhere between 500 and 600.

6075
07:29:23,000 --> 07:29:24,000
Okay, up to the council.

6076
07:29:24,000 --> 07:29:26,000
Will the 640 come from there?

6077
07:29:26,000 --> 07:29:29,000
No, there was never was a 640 number.

6078
07:29:29,000 --> 07:29:30,000
Sorry.

6079
07:29:30,000 --> 07:29:32,000
Very flooded 750, right?

6080
07:29:32,000 --> 07:29:33,000
I think very flooded 700.

6081
07:29:33,000 --> 07:29:35,000
And that's 750.

6082
07:29:35,000 --> 07:29:37,000
Just 750.

6083
07:29:39,000 --> 07:29:42,000
I was okay with 600 for Valco.

6084
07:29:42,000 --> 07:29:43,000
Right.

6085
07:29:43,000 --> 07:29:44,000
Yeah.

6086
07:29:44,000 --> 07:29:49,000
And then the 750 I think maybe was for the off for the commercial allocation.

6087
07:29:49,000 --> 07:29:50,000
Was it what you said there?

6088
07:29:50,000 --> 07:29:53,000
We're talking about the floor, the Valco floor.

6089
07:29:53,000 --> 07:29:54,000
Okay.

6090
07:29:54,000 --> 07:29:55,000
I was okay.

6091
07:29:55,000 --> 07:29:57,000
I was okay.

6092
07:29:57,000 --> 07:29:58,000
Yeah.

6093
07:29:58,000 --> 07:30:00,000
What I don't want to do, you know.

6094
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:08,000
Before this thing gets to us as a real project, right? It's going to go through a lot of community review. We're going to talk.

6095
07:30:08,000 --> 07:30:15,000
I certainly going to require community benefits. It sounds like we're all okay with community benefits, except for Mark.

6096
07:30:15,000 --> 07:30:18,000
But the majority is okay with community benefits.

6097
07:30:18,000 --> 07:30:20,000
So I haven't, I haven't waiting on that.

6098
07:30:20,000 --> 07:30:21,000
Oh, you haven't.

6099
07:30:21,000 --> 07:30:22,000
I don't know, sorry.

6100
07:30:22,000 --> 07:30:26,000
I mean, I mean, I mean, before I want to ask what that clarifying question, I just really want to try to finish.

6101
07:30:26,000 --> 07:30:27,000
I have to speak.

6102
07:30:27,000 --> 07:30:28,000
Sorry.

6103
07:30:28,000 --> 07:30:29,000
Sorry.

6104
07:30:29,000 --> 07:30:30,000
Yep.

6105
07:30:30,000 --> 07:30:31,000
You're right.

6106
07:30:31,000 --> 07:30:32,000
So I have not waiting on that.

6107
07:30:32,000 --> 07:30:33,000
Okay.

6108
07:30:33,000 --> 07:30:36,000
Because I don't even know if you have time to do the housing allocation, because it's 2v6.

6109
07:30:36,000 --> 07:30:37,000
Okay.

6110
07:30:37,000 --> 07:30:38,000
But I just want to finish.

6111
07:30:38,000 --> 07:30:39,000
No.

6112
07:30:39,000 --> 07:30:40,000
We'll talk.

6113
07:30:40,000 --> 07:30:41,000
Okay.

6114
07:30:41,000 --> 07:30:42,000
No.

6115
07:30:42,000 --> 07:30:43,000
No. I mean, you guys want to ask questions, though.

6116
07:30:43,000 --> 07:30:44,000
No.

6117
07:30:44,000 --> 07:30:45,000
Okay.

6118
07:30:45,000 --> 07:30:47,000
So I did the allocation.

6119
07:30:47,000 --> 07:30:48,000
I did that.

6120
07:30:48,000 --> 07:30:51,000
No one PG&E for the for the rezoning.

6121
07:30:52,000 --> 07:30:58,000
I think there's, I'll be the third vote on Seasons Creek for Centai feet with community benefits.

6122
07:30:58,000 --> 07:31:04,000
I think I am the third vote for the height for Caribbean in 110 feet or 9 stories.

6123
07:31:04,000 --> 07:31:14,000
Regarding height, I support the austi African mediation for the balance approach on on height.

6124
07:31:14,000 --> 07:31:15,000
And then also.

6125
07:31:15,000 --> 07:31:17,000
What am I missing here?

6126
07:31:17,000 --> 07:31:18,000
So how much can you benefit?

6127
07:31:18,000 --> 07:31:19,000
And then.

6128
07:31:19,000 --> 07:31:20,000
Yeah.

6129
07:31:20,000 --> 07:31:21,000
I'm sorry.

6130
07:31:21,000 --> 07:31:22,000
How much did you say?

6131
07:31:22,000 --> 07:31:23,000
I wish total office.

6132
07:31:23,000 --> 07:31:25,000
Total office was 500 500.

6133
07:31:25,000 --> 07:31:27,000
500 500 plus 2 million.

6134
07:31:27,000 --> 07:31:28,000
Correct.

6135
07:31:28,000 --> 07:31:29,000
Okay.

6136
07:31:29,000 --> 07:31:30,000
Yes.

6137
07:31:30,000 --> 07:31:34,000
And then for the community benefits.

6138
07:31:34,000 --> 07:31:37,000
Do you have a list for community benefits on what that list is?

6139
07:31:37,000 --> 07:31:41,000
Can you please pull it up for me please?

6140
07:31:41,000 --> 07:31:42,000
Okay.

6141
07:31:42,000 --> 07:31:45,000
So this is just a starting point on community benefits.

6142
07:31:45,000 --> 07:31:47,000
What is on the screen here?

6143
07:31:48,000 --> 07:31:54,000
This is, sorry, this is a recommendation from staff.

6144
07:31:54,000 --> 07:31:57,000
It's, and the council can, can change it.

6145
07:31:57,000 --> 07:31:59,000
So just a quickly.

6146
07:31:59,000 --> 07:32:00,000
Okay.

6147
07:32:00,000 --> 07:32:01,000
That's, that's going to.

6148
07:32:01,000 --> 07:32:04,000
So I support community benefits.

6149
07:32:04,000 --> 07:32:05,000
I agree with, I forgot.

6150
07:32:05,000 --> 07:32:10,000
I think it was orange who said that the in lieu cash contribution is very important to me.

6151
07:32:11,000 --> 07:32:14,000
In addition to our in lieu for parks and aiming for parks.

6152
07:32:14,000 --> 07:32:16,000
Public arts.

6153
07:32:16,000 --> 07:32:18,000
Public facilities.

6154
07:32:18,000 --> 07:32:20,000
I think.

6155
07:32:20,000 --> 07:32:22,000
I like to do a shallow program.

6156
07:32:22,000 --> 07:32:30,000
I think that we have to look into more on on on on on on on on that cost here as well as a library as well too.

6157
07:32:30,000 --> 07:32:38,000
But I think that you might need to come back to see council on a separate meaning and flesh out these community benefits as my recommendation.

6158
07:32:38,000 --> 07:32:43,000
So a bubble gum machine and one bike rack would constitute community benefits.

6159
07:32:43,000 --> 07:32:44,000
All right.

6160
07:32:44,000 --> 07:32:45,000
No, I think that didn't come out.

6161
07:32:45,000 --> 07:32:51,000
I mean, for example, I like the idea of, you know, the expansion of a museum or a teen center or a theater.

6162
07:32:51,000 --> 07:32:53,000
It has to be reasonable.

6163
07:32:53,000 --> 07:32:56,000
I mean, they can contribute X amount of money there.

6164
07:32:56,000 --> 07:33:00,000
My concern is that when we give it to the schools.

6165
07:33:00,000 --> 07:33:03,000
We won't have control over that money to the schools.

6166
07:33:03,000 --> 07:33:05,000
I mean, the schools will do whatever they want.

6167
07:33:05,000 --> 07:33:07,000
And it covers six different cities.

6168
07:33:07,000 --> 07:33:13,000
Is that the more control we have over that contribution of community benefit that the land owner gives.

6169
07:33:13,000 --> 07:33:19,000
I think it's very important for the city and the residents that we know we're every dollar is spent.

6170
07:33:19,000 --> 07:33:21,000
So I'm not sure.

6171
07:33:21,000 --> 07:33:26,000
I mean, I think that you see a majority of at least four of us supporting community benefits.

6172
07:33:26,000 --> 07:33:29,000
But I think that it needs to flesh out more.

6173
07:33:29,000 --> 07:33:30,000
I don't know.

6174
07:33:30,000 --> 07:33:32,000
I think that this is just a fair enough.

6175
07:33:32,000 --> 07:33:38,000
And I think that raises a lot of good points to including the percentage that we would take on the the height exception.

6176
07:33:38,000 --> 07:33:43,000
The percentage is 15% of the valuation attributed to the increase in height.

6177
07:33:43,000 --> 07:33:49,000
And that depends on where the council places the base height of its 45 feet and anything above that.

6178
07:33:49,000 --> 07:33:51,000
It's not like.

6179
07:33:51,000 --> 07:33:53,000
That was my proposal.

6180
07:33:53,000 --> 07:33:55,000
Nobody else wanted to.

6181
07:33:55,000 --> 07:33:56,000
Right.

6182
07:33:56,000 --> 07:33:58,000
And then wherever.

6183
07:33:58,000 --> 07:33:59,000
Right.

6184
07:34:00,000 --> 07:34:03,000
Well, I'm trying to where were you on.

6185
07:34:03,000 --> 07:34:05,000
Housing units.

6186
07:34:05,000 --> 07:34:06,000
I said.

6187
07:34:06,000 --> 07:34:07,000
The same as you.

6188
07:34:07,000 --> 07:34:08,000
Okay.

6189
07:34:08,000 --> 07:34:09,000
13.

6190
07:34:09,000 --> 07:34:10,000
13 six.

6191
07:34:10,000 --> 07:34:11,000
Thank you.

6192
07:34:11,000 --> 07:34:12,000
Okay.

6193
07:34:12,000 --> 07:34:13,000
So I think I covered everything.

6194
07:34:13,000 --> 07:34:14,000
Okay.

6195
07:34:14,000 --> 07:34:15,000
So.

6196
07:34:15,000 --> 07:34:16,000
So.

6197
07:34:16,000 --> 07:34:17,000
So.

6198
07:34:17,000 --> 07:34:19,000
We still have to do is where the house.

6199
07:34:19,000 --> 07:34:20,000
Yeah.

6200
07:34:20,000 --> 07:34:23,000
So I'll start the discussion on the housing allocation.

6201
07:34:23,000 --> 07:34:28,000
So housing allocation.

6202
07:34:28,000 --> 07:34:33,000
And then we have a couple of unsuggested areas.

6203
07:34:33,000 --> 07:34:34,000
Site was.

6204
07:34:34,000 --> 07:34:36,000
I think I think this is the public size time.

6205
07:34:36,000 --> 07:34:38,000
I'm hearing was a oak shopping center.

6206
07:34:38,000 --> 07:34:40,000
Doc was shopping district.

6207
07:34:40,000 --> 07:34:41,000
Doc was shopping district.

6208
07:34:41,000 --> 07:34:42,000
We already decided.

6209
07:34:42,000 --> 07:34:44,000
The Hamptons.

6210
07:34:44,000 --> 07:34:46,000
Um.

6211
07:34:46,000 --> 07:34:48,000
Very swan since site.

6212
07:34:48,000 --> 07:34:51,000
Uh, arena Plaza.

6213
07:34:51,000 --> 07:34:52,000
I'll take a shot.

6214
07:34:52,000 --> 07:34:53,000
Okay.

6215
07:34:53,000 --> 07:34:54,000
Okay.

6216
07:34:54,000 --> 07:34:55,000
Let me get my nose here.

6217
07:34:55,000 --> 07:34:56,000
All right.

6218
07:34:56,000 --> 07:34:57,000
So.

6219
07:34:58,000 --> 07:35:00,000
Here's the problem.

6220
07:35:00,000 --> 07:35:01,000
Um.

6221
07:35:01,000 --> 07:35:03,000
What is this is just go site by site.

6222
07:35:03,000 --> 07:35:05,000
And then and then we can we can go.

6223
07:35:05,000 --> 07:35:07,000
We can play with the numbers later.

6224
07:35:07,000 --> 07:35:12,000
I mean, just take your site that you think is is workable with you and see if you got three council members supporting those sites.

6225
07:35:12,000 --> 07:35:13,000
I.

6226
07:35:13,000 --> 07:35:15,000
I would.

6227
07:35:15,000 --> 07:35:18,000
That the oak had the 235 units.

6228
07:35:18,000 --> 07:35:19,000
Okay.

6229
07:35:19,000 --> 07:35:20,000
On the west side.

6230
07:35:20,000 --> 07:35:21,000
Okay.

6231
07:35:21,000 --> 07:35:24,000
I would that the arena who has the unit they want it.

6232
07:35:24,000 --> 07:35:25,000
I will remove you.

6233
07:35:25,000 --> 07:35:26,000
Okay.

6234
07:35:26,000 --> 07:35:27,000
And then if you're going to let me think it was 235 correct.

6235
07:35:27,000 --> 07:35:28,000
Yeah.

6236
07:35:28,000 --> 07:35:29,000
245.

6237
07:35:29,000 --> 07:35:31,000
So actually very good.

6238
07:35:31,000 --> 07:35:35,000
Could I just kind of set a stage for a second and let you do that.

6239
07:35:35,000 --> 07:35:36,000
Yeah.

6240
07:35:36,000 --> 07:35:37,000
Okay.

6241
07:35:37,000 --> 07:35:38,000
So here's here's the challenge that we have.

6242
07:35:38,000 --> 07:35:39,000
If.

6243
07:35:39,000 --> 07:35:40,000
12.

6244
07:35:40,000 --> 07:35:44,000
So I'm I'm by I'm definitely by into the.

6245
07:35:44,000 --> 07:35:46,000
Bounce it out through the city.

6246
07:35:46,000 --> 07:35:47,000
However.

6247
07:35:47,000 --> 07:35:48,000
Big however.

6248
07:35:48,000 --> 07:35:51,000
We have two.

6249
07:35:52,000 --> 07:35:55,000
Reasons why.

6250
07:35:55,000 --> 07:35:59,000
Why I'm going to recommend that most of it is is not spread out.

6251
07:35:59,000 --> 07:36:02,000
If we want to stay with the 1386.

6252
07:36:02,000 --> 07:36:03,000
So we've got.

6253
07:36:03,000 --> 07:36:05,000
We all agreed on.

6254
07:36:05,000 --> 07:36:06,000
Valco.

6255
07:36:06,000 --> 07:36:12,000
Or when I mean in all agree, but the majority of us agreed on Valco of 600 to give them the opportunity.

6256
07:36:12,000 --> 07:36:16,000
Again, it's not like 600 units are going to go in there unless something good happens.

6257
07:36:16,000 --> 07:36:19,000
But the opportunity for 600 units there.

6258
07:36:20,000 --> 07:36:22,000
And actually I'd shave that.

6259
07:36:22,000 --> 07:36:24,000
As you'll see in a minute, I'll shave.

6260
07:36:24,000 --> 07:36:25,000
I have to shave that down a little.

6261
07:36:25,000 --> 07:36:28,000
So we've been told we need five sites throughout.

6262
07:36:28,000 --> 07:36:30,000
We've told we need six.

6263
07:36:30,000 --> 07:36:31,000
And I'm 75.

6264
07:36:31,000 --> 07:36:32,000
So we've got.

6265
07:36:32,000 --> 07:36:36,000
Valco want to give them around 600.

6266
07:36:36,000 --> 07:36:39,000
And then we've got the Hamptons and we've been discussing all night.

6267
07:36:39,000 --> 07:36:41,000
If schools are.

6268
07:36:41,000 --> 07:36:45,000
The biggest issue that people are concerned about and it certainly seems.

6269
07:36:45,000 --> 07:36:48,000
I mean, there are other issues out there, but if schools are the biggest issue.

6270
07:36:48,000 --> 07:36:51,000
That people seem to be concerned about.

6271
07:36:51,000 --> 07:36:57,000
To pick a site that's not in our school district is a major benefit.

6272
07:36:57,000 --> 07:37:00,000
And the only one of those sites is the Hamptons.

6273
07:37:00,000 --> 07:37:04,000
And they need a certain critical mass to make that happen.

6274
07:37:04,000 --> 07:37:07,000
So, you know, and they're not going to tear that.

6275
07:37:07,000 --> 07:37:09,000
All the existing stuff down.

6276
07:37:09,000 --> 07:37:12,000
And redo it in a higher density wave.

6277
07:37:12,000 --> 07:37:16,000
If we give another 200 units, it's just not going to work.

6278
07:37:16,000 --> 07:37:19,000
So my proposal, I'll just go through it.

6279
07:37:19,000 --> 07:37:20,000
So.

6280
07:37:20,000 --> 07:37:21,000
We're going to let Barry go first.

6281
07:37:21,000 --> 07:37:22,000
Is that all?

6282
07:37:22,000 --> 07:37:23,000
Well.

6283
07:37:23,000 --> 07:37:24,000
Okay.

6284
07:37:24,000 --> 07:37:25,000
So, so that's the issue.

6285
07:37:25,000 --> 07:37:26,000
Once we start.

6286
07:37:26,000 --> 07:37:29,000
If you start saying that there's, you know.

6287
07:37:29,000 --> 07:37:30,000
You know.

6288
07:37:30,000 --> 07:37:31,000
Read them for the time.

6289
07:37:31,000 --> 07:37:33,000
You can't get any of the big numbers over there.

6290
07:37:33,000 --> 07:37:36,000
Then we don't have enough to do the Hamptons.

6291
07:37:36,000 --> 07:37:38,000
Which has the advantage or in Valco.

6292
07:37:38,000 --> 07:37:39,000
I just want to.

6293
07:37:39,000 --> 07:37:40,000
I don't want to really.

6294
07:37:40,000 --> 07:37:41,000
Very only three numbers.

6295
07:37:41,000 --> 07:37:42,000
No.

6296
07:37:42,000 --> 07:37:44,000
I just figured out.

6297
07:37:44,000 --> 07:37:45,000
I would.

6298
07:37:45,000 --> 07:37:52,000
Because the concern on the on the Valco area is we will give a Valco 600 units.

6299
07:37:52,000 --> 07:37:53,000
That.

6300
07:37:53,000 --> 07:37:54,000
That.

6301
07:37:54,000 --> 07:37:57,000
With the men's tree with the rose ball.

6302
07:37:57,000 --> 07:38:00,000
Now with Hampton with the United furniture.

6303
07:38:00,000 --> 07:38:02,000
Not to really a little bit too much.

6304
07:38:02,000 --> 07:38:03,000
What do you mean?

6305
07:38:03,000 --> 07:38:04,000
I don't have the furniture.

6306
07:38:04,000 --> 07:38:05,000
I was.

6307
07:38:05,000 --> 07:38:06,000
Right.

6308
07:38:06,000 --> 07:38:07,000
So, United furniture.

6309
07:38:07,000 --> 07:38:08,000
That's why I'm going to recommend that.

6310
07:38:08,000 --> 07:38:09,000
And then in the furniture.

6311
07:38:09,000 --> 07:38:12,000
Because that will be affecting the.

6312
07:38:12,000 --> 07:38:14,000
Resident on that side of the street.

6313
07:38:14,000 --> 07:38:16,000
Much more on this side.

6314
07:38:16,000 --> 07:38:17,000
So.

6315
07:38:17,000 --> 07:38:20,000
And then besides that they did not ask for why we put it on.

6316
07:38:20,000 --> 07:38:22,000
And then so that the part.

6317
07:38:22,000 --> 07:38:24,000
My suggestion.

6318
07:38:24,000 --> 07:38:25,000
And then group.

6319
07:38:25,000 --> 07:38:26,000
Grandbrook.

6320
07:38:26,000 --> 07:38:27,000
They did not ask for.

6321
07:38:27,000 --> 07:38:29,000
So we don't need to put it in.

6322
07:38:29,000 --> 07:38:30,000
You know.

6323
07:38:30,000 --> 07:38:32,000
Marina who is asking for it.

6324
07:38:32,000 --> 07:38:33,000
They're ready to go.

6325
07:38:33,000 --> 07:38:36,000
Doesn't make any sense when someone want to do it.

6326
07:38:36,000 --> 07:38:37,000
You don't give it to them.

6327
07:38:37,000 --> 07:38:38,000
And someone don't want to do it.

6328
07:38:38,000 --> 07:38:39,000
You want to give it to them.

6329
07:38:39,000 --> 07:38:40,000
And that.

6330
07:38:40,000 --> 07:38:41,000
To mean that doesn't make any sense at all.

6331
07:38:41,000 --> 07:38:43,000
And then also Marina who is on the.

6332
07:38:43,000 --> 07:38:44,000
On the.

6333
07:38:44,000 --> 07:38:45,000
On the West side.

6334
07:38:45,000 --> 07:38:47,000
So that will balance it out a little bit.

6335
07:38:47,000 --> 07:38:48,000
And then the.

6336
07:38:48,000 --> 07:38:49,000
Or will be on the.

6337
07:38:49,000 --> 07:38:51,000
Father West and that will be even.

6338
07:38:51,000 --> 07:38:52,000
Spray it out.

6339
07:38:52,000 --> 07:38:54,000
It's what's suggested by by the community.

6340
07:38:54,000 --> 07:38:56,000
To spread it out.

6341
07:38:56,000 --> 07:38:57,000
So I.

6342
07:38:57,000 --> 07:38:59,000
Suggest that way.

6343
07:38:59,000 --> 07:39:00,000
So it's.

6344
07:39:00,000 --> 07:39:01,000
So it's.

6345
07:39:01,000 --> 07:39:02,000
So it's.

6346
07:39:02,000 --> 07:39:03,000
So it's.

6347
07:39:03,000 --> 07:39:04,000
So it's.

6348
07:39:04,000 --> 07:39:05,000
So it's.

6349
07:39:06,000 --> 07:39:07,000
We don't need it we don't.

6350
07:39:07,000 --> 07:39:08,000
But it needs us for it.

6351
07:39:08,000 --> 07:39:09,000
So we don't.

6352
07:39:09,000 --> 07:39:15,000
So what about sold to in Biris Berry once in sight for 11 units.

6353
07:39:15,000 --> 07:39:16,000
Yeah.

6354
07:39:16,000 --> 07:39:17,000
That's more when Soci.

6355
07:39:17,000 --> 07:39:18,000
That's.

6356
07:39:18,000 --> 07:39:19,000
That.

6357
07:39:19,000 --> 07:39:22,000
Think it.

6358
07:39:22,000 --> 07:39:23,000
And then he Martens was.

6359
07:39:23,000 --> 07:39:26,000
So we want to add it up to see how many.

6360
07:39:26,000 --> 07:39:27,000
We have no okay that's a case.

6361
07:39:27,000 --> 07:39:28,000
Is has can'sם that would be impact in dire for the traffic.

6362
07:39:28,000 --> 07:39:33,000
But then see we'll have that impact on the school netよね 50 with that.

6363
07:39:33,000 --> 07:39:36,520
with the Oaks Marine and Valco, if you go with the Maxis.

6364
07:39:36,520 --> 07:39:43,960
954. Okay, so probably then edit another 400 unit to make it 1300, 86,

6365
07:39:44,840 --> 07:39:47,720
for the 4th of the Hampton. How mean is for him, so I'm sorry?

6366
07:39:48,280 --> 07:39:52,360
We don't have to figure that out. Let's just give me number, very.

6367
07:39:53,560 --> 07:39:58,680
Then we'll read about the number later. We'll make it up 1386 and that's okay.

6368
07:39:58,680 --> 07:40:05,240
So you said 600 for Valco, 235 for Oaks, 250 for marina foods, 11 for a

6369
07:40:05,240 --> 07:40:08,120
various ones of the site and the difference for Hampton. Correct? Right.

6370
07:40:09,480 --> 07:40:14,520
Okay, let me do the math here. 1386, 132, 400, 302, thank you.

6371
07:40:15,320 --> 07:40:18,600
If I might just jump in just for one quick second. Yes,

6372
07:40:18,600 --> 07:40:22,280
marina foods, the Maxis and them that they were studied at was 204 units.

6373
07:40:22,920 --> 07:40:27,240
204. 204. Correct. Yeah, that's what I have done. That's what he said.

6374
07:40:27,800 --> 07:40:31,640
I heard 250, I just want to. No, no, it's too much. Okay, so I apologize.

6375
07:40:31,640 --> 07:40:39,240
204. So 150 was the Oaks, 204 from marina is 600 for Valco, 432 left over. No, no, no, no, no,

6376
07:40:39,240 --> 07:40:43,240
the Oaks, 235. No, 150.

6377
07:40:47,960 --> 07:40:51,720
Okay, all these Oaks are, sorry, that was the recommended one. So you don't want the recommended,

6378
07:40:51,720 --> 07:40:56,840
you want the Maxis. No, I will 235 to make it works.

6379
07:40:57,240 --> 07:41:04,440
For them, and then and then you move more unit to the west to bomb it up. So when I did,

6380
07:41:04,440 --> 07:41:07,960
when I did the calculation, you got a double train, maybe I did it wrong,

6381
07:41:08,600 --> 07:41:14,280
that not counting the Hamptons for those four, you're at 105, 050, that I do that right here.

6382
07:41:14,280 --> 07:41:18,200
You're at 105, that's what I have. Okay, so that means the Hamptons would get

6383
07:41:18,200 --> 07:41:30,840
at 336. 1039. It's 235, they're correct. No, you haven't. So the Hamptons would get in that scenario.

6384
07:41:30,840 --> 07:41:35,400
235 at 35 million, it's breaker. I'm sorry, I'm answering a council member of the

6385
07:41:35,400 --> 07:41:41,400
center, where I was question about the maximum number of units for marina plaza is 232 at 35

6386
07:41:41,400 --> 07:41:46,680
million, it's breaker. Right, but what we'd, so let me get clarity, marina foods,

6387
07:41:46,680 --> 07:41:49,720
is to get what amount is the two, four, and now I hear a different amount.

6388
07:41:49,720 --> 07:41:55,720
Okay, positive 32 at 40 million, it's okay. I'm trying to find out what marina wants.

6389
07:41:55,720 --> 07:41:57,720
Yeah, I'm trying to find out what marina wants. Yeah, I'm trying to find out what marina wants.

6390
07:41:57,720 --> 07:42:05,080
I mean, yeah. Mr. Chang. So 660 uniform about bar call. Yeah. 235 uniform, they all,

6391
07:42:05,640 --> 07:42:11,720
and 24 units for marina food, and you'd have a beautiful very sonson, and then

6392
07:42:12,040 --> 07:42:17,800
236 units for Hamptons. So that would add it up. 1386.

6393
07:42:19,400 --> 07:42:23,800
Your map is correct. So 233 units for marina foods, correct?

6394
07:42:24,520 --> 07:42:33,720
235 for marina food. 235 for the Oaks to go for marina, 600 for balko, 336 for the Hamptons.

6395
07:42:33,720 --> 07:42:38,920
Very good. That's clarification for you. The EIRC for alternative seed, the maximum

6396
07:42:39,000 --> 07:42:45,560
that marina foods can do, is 232 units. So you want to 233? Yes. All right. Then 231.

6397
07:42:47,560 --> 07:42:51,880
The more you put there, the more you squeeze the Hamptons and make it, so it's not going to happen.

6398
07:42:51,880 --> 07:42:55,800
All right. I was going to have another solution. Would one move all over to put

6399
07:42:55,800 --> 07:43:00,280
what is the number? No, but I'm not. Okay, there's one option. I just like Eric Fairfax and then I'll shut up.

6400
07:43:00,760 --> 07:43:09,800
All right. 600 units for balko, 235 for halk, and 232 for marina food, and 114,

6401
07:43:09,800 --> 07:43:28,600
very sonson, and 288 for Hamptons. So the question is that we could go over the number if for some

6402
07:43:28,680 --> 07:43:34,680
reason we, you know, my aunt, your next, you want the next? Yeah, so I'll go back to where I was.

6403
07:43:34,680 --> 07:43:40,520
So I, I think the Hamptons needs enough to make it work, and 308's not going to make it work. So if

6404
07:43:40,520 --> 07:43:47,400
we think that that's a good site for the reasons why we talked about it all night, I would give them

6405
07:43:48,920 --> 07:43:57,960
650. I would give balko 600, right? No, actually balko because of the way the numbers. I'd give

6406
07:43:58,040 --> 07:44:05,880
Glenbrook or somebody else, anybody 93 to 100 over there. I'd give, I'd cut the oaks down to 50.

6407
07:44:06,760 --> 07:44:14,840
Looks to 50. And Barry Swenson 11. So if you say, if you say Glenbrook's 93,

6408
07:44:15,560 --> 07:44:21,320
Swenson's 11, the oaks is 50, and Hamptons is 650 that makes balko 502, which is

6409
07:44:22,120 --> 07:44:25,640
close enough to 600. So, and that gets to the 1386.

6410
07:44:26,200 --> 07:44:32,120
Can't let him get clarity. Hamptons was 650. Balko was 582. Oaks was 50.

6411
07:44:33,480 --> 07:44:40,920
Glenbrook is 93. Glenbrook is 93. Barry Swenson was 11. He's in Balko 582. Yeah. Go word.

6412
07:44:40,920 --> 07:44:45,240
Yeah, I said 582. That's what I wrote down. I had to shave it to me. 582 is what? That's your number.

6413
07:44:45,240 --> 07:44:52,440
Okay. That's what he says. And 50 was work in Oran. Oaks. Oaks. Okay, got it. So you have five sites as well,

6414
07:44:52,440 --> 07:45:00,040
you have that. Okay. Rod? And I'm okay with Swenson, granted.

6415
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:04,000
Rock for Glenn Rooker, something if it's in the same ballpark.

6416
07:45:04,000 --> 07:45:07,000
So, got it?

6417
07:45:07,000 --> 07:45:18,000
Yeah, I mean, given my high priorities, getting Valco done, using the Hampton site for two reasons.

6418
07:45:18,000 --> 07:45:29,000
One is, I mean, it sits in a terrific location for what all the urban plans

6419
07:45:29,000 --> 07:45:40,000
what all the urban planners say is the right idea. We have 12,000 jobs immediately adjacent and a freeway right next to it.

6420
07:45:40,000 --> 07:45:44,000
And we'll throw right next to it and then some hotels across the street.

6421
07:45:44,000 --> 07:45:48,000
I can't imagine a better site to put housing.

6422
07:45:48,000 --> 07:46:04,000
It's also the case that the Apple campus to the main building has property tax and school impact fees that go to the Santa Clara Unified School District.

6423
07:46:04,000 --> 07:46:11,000
It seems perfectly reasonable to me to say, let's go and entitle that project.

6424
07:46:12,000 --> 07:46:20,000
But yeah, in order to do it, they're going to have to completely scrap something that they've done only in the last decade or something, right?

6425
07:46:20,000 --> 07:46:26,000
So, I know they're going to need a substantial number. I'm not convinced at all.

6426
07:46:26,000 --> 07:46:34,000
We've heard from them, but yeah, I'm not convinced at all and anything around 300 is going to get it done.

6427
07:46:34,000 --> 07:46:41,000
And I think if we're being responsible and HCD is monitoring what we're up to, I'd like to see it done.

6428
07:46:41,000 --> 07:46:52,000
So I'm with Oran on the, okay, I don't think it needs to be 748, but I would go with the 650 there.

6429
07:46:52,000 --> 07:47:00,000
And I would go with Oran's other numbers. Now, we know that the biggest gambit here, the biggest risk is Valco.

6430
07:47:01,000 --> 07:47:07,000
Sandhill come in with a project that's going to be high enough quality to satisfy our residents.

6431
07:47:07,000 --> 07:47:10,000
And, you know, frankly, it's going to be a high bar.

6432
07:47:10,000 --> 07:47:14,000
I think it's going to be a challenge. We're going to have to go through this process.

6433
07:47:14,000 --> 07:47:19,000
This is a huge amount of real estate, totaling some 50 acres, right?

6434
07:47:19,000 --> 07:47:26,000
This is the biggest thing that we may do here in a generation other than say the Apple campus 2 is a single project.

6435
07:47:26,000 --> 07:47:36,000
So, let's say that throughout the number 4 years, I'm okay with 3 and 1, 4 years.

6436
07:47:36,000 --> 07:47:39,000
Let's say that we're not able to make that go.

6437
07:47:39,000 --> 07:47:46,000
I think we're going to have to switch gears and take some of that allocation.

6438
07:47:46,000 --> 07:47:52,000
If not all of it and say, okay, we're going to have to have some alternate sites to have credibility with HCD.

6439
07:47:52,000 --> 07:47:57,000
So, what I would do is, let's take Oran's numbers as a starting point.

6440
07:47:57,000 --> 07:48:06,000
Valco at 582, Hamptons at 650, Barry Swenson at 11, Glenbork at 93, Oaks at 50.

6441
07:48:06,000 --> 07:48:11,000
And then, if we find that Valco can't go, we can't make it work.

6442
07:48:11,000 --> 07:48:16,000
We don't have a project that satisfies a community. This is not a given, right?

6443
07:48:16,000 --> 07:48:20,000
We have a high bar. And if we can't, we need a scenario B.

6444
07:48:20,000 --> 07:48:26,000
And so, my scenario B would look like this, Valco at 0. Valco doesn't get read done.

6445
07:48:26,000 --> 07:48:35,000
Hamptons then goes from 650 to 750, more or less, and in 748 is what the planning commission said.

6446
07:48:35,000 --> 07:48:43,000
Barry Swenson at 11, Glenbork at 93, I would load the Oaks at 235.

6447
07:48:43,000 --> 07:48:52,000
And then, in order to get to the same 1386, I would put the summer winds at 96.

6448
07:48:52,000 --> 07:48:57,000
And I would put Marina in at 201 say or something such.

6449
07:48:57,000 --> 07:49:05,000
We could play with those numbers a little bit, but my goal would be again to satisfy the 1386 with an alternate scenario.

6450
07:49:06,000 --> 07:49:20,000
And say, look, if we don't have an entitled project, a project that's been entitled by the community process that we've talked about.

6451
07:49:20,000 --> 07:49:26,000
And hasn't been entitled through the planning commission in the city council within 3.5 or 4 years.

6452
07:49:26,000 --> 07:49:31,000
We've got to move on and do the job elsewhere.

6453
07:49:31,000 --> 07:49:34,000
And spread it out in the city like spread it out.

6454
07:49:34,000 --> 07:49:40,000
I mean, yeah, it turns out the Hamptons and Valco, right?

6455
07:49:40,000 --> 07:49:42,000
Yep, not like you go with that.

6456
07:49:42,000 --> 07:49:45,000
I mean, are on the east side of town.

6457
07:49:45,000 --> 07:49:52,000
And then what I would do if Valco doesn't go, I'd still want to have the Hamptons happen.

6458
07:49:52,000 --> 07:49:56,000
But then I would take all the rest on the west side of town.

6459
07:49:56,000 --> 07:50:06,000
Summer winds, Marina, Oaks, Glenbrook, they all meet that on the west criterion.

6460
07:50:06,000 --> 07:50:09,000
I think I agree with that.

6461
07:50:09,000 --> 07:50:20,000
OK, so let's start with the Hamptons.

6462
07:50:21,000 --> 07:50:26,000
My opinion is we don't have a chance other than to give some housing element sites.

6463
07:50:26,000 --> 07:50:28,000
The Hampton has a couple desirable things.

6464
07:50:28,000 --> 07:50:31,000
It's between Apple and a freeway.

6465
07:50:31,000 --> 07:50:40,000
So height is not a big issue, although I would like it to be no more than 60 feet in a setback from from Wolf.

6466
07:50:40,000 --> 07:50:47,000
By the way, I don't agree with the changing the ratio on the rest of the units from 1.5 to 1 to 1.

6467
07:50:47,000 --> 07:50:52,000
Let that off last time, Ron.

6468
07:50:52,000 --> 07:50:55,000
Just so you can have that down.

6469
07:50:55,000 --> 07:50:58,000
So it's got a good location.

6470
07:50:58,000 --> 07:51:01,000
It's not towering over neighbors.

6471
07:51:01,000 --> 07:51:06,000
It has a close freeway access, although problematic.

6472
07:51:06,000 --> 07:51:11,000
Since the motion I made for Apple included money to study a freeway on ramp, which Apple agreed to.

6473
07:51:11,000 --> 07:51:14,000
And the Hamptons is agreed to also contribute to that fund.

6474
07:51:14,000 --> 07:51:18,000
Hopefully the freeway on ramp will be fixed and that will help you alleviate it.

6475
07:51:18,000 --> 07:51:24,000
But another desirable thing is I would presume that a lot of Apple employees would live there and then walk to work,

6476
07:51:24,000 --> 07:51:28,000
which would not cause as much traffic as if they had to drive.

6477
07:51:28,000 --> 07:51:32,000
If there were three blocks away from from the Apple site.

6478
07:51:32,000 --> 07:51:41,000
So I would go ahead and give that to 748 that was recommended by the Planning Commission.

6479
07:51:42,000 --> 07:51:47,000
I like the Glenbook apartments for 228 units.

6480
07:51:47,000 --> 07:51:51,000
And now I'm going to kind of jump down to some other ones you guys haven't mentioned.

6481
07:51:51,000 --> 07:51:54,000
First is the villages 62 units.

6482
07:51:54,000 --> 07:51:58,000
It's a existing and approved housing element site already.

6483
07:51:58,000 --> 07:52:03,000
It's a good site to potentially add more units to.

6484
07:52:03,000 --> 07:52:05,000
It took a good look at it today.

6485
07:52:05,000 --> 07:52:08,000
And so I think it's a desirable place that should be.

6486
07:52:08,000 --> 07:52:10,000
What's the number there?

6487
07:52:10,000 --> 07:52:11,000
About 62 units.

6488
07:52:11,000 --> 07:52:14,000
What's the name is in the East Side also.

6489
07:52:14,000 --> 07:52:15,000
No, no, no.

6490
07:52:15,000 --> 07:52:16,000
No, no.

6491
07:52:16,000 --> 07:52:18,000
No, no, no, no, no, no.

6492
07:52:18,000 --> 07:52:19,000
I've got a new idea.

6493
07:52:19,000 --> 07:52:20,000
I'm thin.

6494
07:52:20,000 --> 07:52:21,000
No, no.

6495
07:52:21,000 --> 07:52:26,000
No, it's the village green, open by the polling alley and all that.

6496
07:52:26,000 --> 07:52:29,000
They can bring up a map later and show you where he is.

6497
07:52:29,000 --> 07:52:30,000
The next.

6498
07:52:30,000 --> 07:52:35,000
How many did you join at the villages 62?

6499
07:52:35,000 --> 07:52:36,000
62.

6500
07:52:36,000 --> 07:52:37,000
OK.

6501
07:52:37,000 --> 07:52:41,000
The next one, I really like the Carlberg property.

6502
07:52:41,000 --> 07:52:44,000
It's a good location.

6503
07:52:44,000 --> 07:52:48,000
It's near other stuff of that type.

6504
07:52:48,000 --> 07:52:52,000
And I think it's 169 units.

6505
07:52:52,000 --> 07:52:56,000
And it's a big nice site, which quite a few units could be put on.

6506
07:52:56,000 --> 07:52:57,000
It's near other housing.

6507
07:52:57,000 --> 07:53:00,000
It's got good road access and things like that.

6508
07:53:00,000 --> 07:53:04,000
Mark, you're starting with basically none for Valkyl, right?

6509
07:53:04,000 --> 07:53:05,000
That's correct.

6510
07:53:05,000 --> 07:53:06,000
That's correct.

6511
07:53:06,000 --> 07:53:07,000
Yeah, okay.

6512
07:53:07,000 --> 07:53:08,000
I made my statement on Valkyl.

6513
07:53:08,000 --> 07:53:09,000
No, I just...

6514
07:53:09,000 --> 07:53:11,000
I just think it's...

6515
07:53:11,000 --> 07:53:12,000
It's...

6516
07:53:12,000 --> 07:53:13,000
For me, excuse point of view, it's just...

6517
07:53:13,000 --> 07:53:16,000
I mean, I kind of line up with the planning commissioners on that one.

6518
07:53:16,000 --> 07:53:18,000
So...

6519
07:53:18,000 --> 07:53:21,000
So if we did make Valkyl go in a required housing,

6520
07:53:21,000 --> 07:53:24,000
we'd be building more than we'd need to.

6521
07:53:24,000 --> 07:53:29,000
Okay, so I disagree with one earlier statement that Councilor Chang made,

6522
07:53:29,000 --> 07:53:32,000
which was you should put it where it's going to get built.

6523
07:53:32,000 --> 07:53:36,000
I actually think you should put it where HDD will approve it,

6524
07:53:36,000 --> 07:53:38,000
and you hope it's not going to get built.

6525
07:53:38,000 --> 07:53:40,000
So that's my view of that.

6526
07:53:40,000 --> 07:53:42,000
That's called Chikin.

6527
07:53:42,000 --> 07:53:45,000
That's been a effective strategy.

6528
07:53:45,000 --> 07:53:47,000
Valkyl and it's been...

6529
07:53:47,000 --> 07:53:48,000
I must say that...

6530
07:53:48,000 --> 07:53:49,000
Yeah, I think it was just...

6531
07:53:49,000 --> 07:53:50,000
I'll take it back.

6532
07:53:50,000 --> 07:53:51,000
I'll take it back.

6533
07:53:51,000 --> 07:53:52,000
I'll just...

6534
07:53:52,000 --> 07:53:53,000
I'll just...

6535
07:53:53,000 --> 07:53:54,000
I'll just...

6536
07:53:54,000 --> 07:53:55,000
I'll just take it back.

6537
07:53:55,000 --> 07:53:57,000
Last time we're not built.

6538
07:53:57,000 --> 07:53:58,000
Yep.

6539
07:53:58,000 --> 07:53:59,000
That's that.

6540
07:53:59,000 --> 07:54:00,000
The site that the Triple C's picked was built.

6541
07:54:00,000 --> 07:54:02,000
I'm going to leave it at that.

6542
07:54:02,000 --> 07:54:06,000
The last site I'd like to propose is the Q-Mart site,

6543
07:54:06,000 --> 07:54:10,000
which is currently an existing approve housing element site.

6544
07:54:10,000 --> 07:54:13,000
It has, I believe, 36 units, and since it's already been approved,

6545
07:54:13,000 --> 07:54:15,000
I also think it's got a good chance to be re-approved.

6546
07:54:15,000 --> 07:54:19,000
That would be a total of 1,244 units.

6547
07:54:19,000 --> 07:54:20,000
How much...

6548
07:54:20,000 --> 07:54:21,000
Q-must sites?

6549
07:54:21,000 --> 07:54:22,000
How many units?

6550
07:54:22,000 --> 07:54:23,000
20...

6551
07:54:23,000 --> 07:54:24,000
36.

6552
07:54:24,000 --> 07:54:25,000
36.

6553
07:54:25,000 --> 07:54:26,000
Sorry.

6554
07:54:26,000 --> 07:54:27,000
37.

6555
07:54:28,000 --> 07:54:29,000
So, I apologize.

6556
07:54:29,000 --> 07:54:30,000
Can you repeat your summary?

6557
07:54:30,000 --> 07:54:31,000
Mark.

6558
07:54:31,000 --> 07:54:32,000
Sure.

6559
07:54:32,000 --> 07:54:33,000
Hamptons.

6560
07:54:33,000 --> 07:54:34,000
Hamptons.

6561
07:54:34,000 --> 07:54:35,000
748.

6562
07:54:35,000 --> 07:54:36,000
Got it.

6563
07:54:36,000 --> 07:54:37,000
Glenbrook.

6564
07:54:37,000 --> 07:54:38,000
228.

6565
07:54:38,000 --> 07:54:39,000
228.

6566
07:54:39,000 --> 07:54:40,000
Villages.

6567
07:54:40,000 --> 07:54:41,000
Villages.

6568
07:54:41,000 --> 07:54:42,000
62.

6569
07:54:42,000 --> 07:54:43,000
Carl Berg.

6570
07:54:43,000 --> 07:54:44,000
169.

6571
07:54:44,000 --> 07:54:45,000
Carl Berg.

6572
07:54:45,000 --> 07:54:47,000
Was it not again?

6573
07:54:47,000 --> 07:54:48,000
169.

6574
07:54:48,000 --> 07:54:49,000
169.

6575
07:54:49,000 --> 07:54:53,000
And then the Q-Mart at all is 37.

6576
07:54:53,000 --> 07:54:55,000
3736.

6577
07:54:55,000 --> 07:54:56,000
33.

6578
07:54:56,000 --> 07:54:59,000
If you can see your...

6579
07:54:59,000 --> 07:55:00,000
Okay.

6580
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:01,000
I thought...

6581
07:55:01,000 --> 07:55:02,000
Well, I bet that.

6582
07:55:02,000 --> 07:55:04,000
A max of 37 on it.

6583
07:55:04,000 --> 07:55:05,000
33.

6584
07:55:05,000 --> 07:55:06,000
So, we got...

6585
07:55:06,000 --> 07:55:07,000
All right.

6586
07:55:07,000 --> 07:55:11,000
We got a letter from one of the property owners that was being proposed as a lot

6587
07:55:11,000 --> 07:55:17,000
consolidation site, which is the China Dance portion, which was 0.11 acres, which kind of effectively...

6588
07:55:17,000 --> 07:55:18,000
So, they took their number out.

6589
07:55:18,000 --> 07:55:19,000
Yeah.

6590
07:55:19,000 --> 07:55:20,000
So, we...

6591
07:55:20,000 --> 07:55:22,000
Because it was like a small portion we took.

6592
07:55:22,000 --> 07:55:23,000
I wonder why the number moved.

6593
07:55:23,000 --> 07:55:24,000
Okay.

6594
07:55:24,000 --> 07:55:25,000
So, you...

6595
07:55:25,000 --> 07:55:26,000
Your total is 1...

6596
07:55:26,000 --> 07:55:28,000
1,0244 unit.

6597
07:55:28,000 --> 07:55:30,000
No, 1,040 now.

6598
07:55:30,000 --> 07:55:32,000
Four of them just went away.

6599
07:55:32,000 --> 07:55:33,000
Okay.

6600
07:55:33,000 --> 07:55:34,000
So, let me deliver...

6601
07:55:34,000 --> 07:55:35,000
What?

6602
07:55:35,000 --> 07:55:36,000
33.

6603
07:55:36,000 --> 07:55:37,000
33.

6604
07:55:37,000 --> 07:55:40,000
So, let the Mayor deliver it and then we can go faster.

6605
07:55:40,000 --> 07:55:41,000
Okay.

6606
07:55:41,000 --> 07:55:42,000
And then...

6607
07:55:42,000 --> 07:55:43,000
My numbers are kind of unusual.

6608
07:55:43,000 --> 07:55:44,000
So, don't scream at me.

6609
07:55:44,000 --> 07:55:45,000
Okay.

6610
07:55:45,000 --> 07:55:47,000
So, and here are my logic out first.

6611
07:55:47,000 --> 07:55:48,000
Okay.

6612
07:55:48,000 --> 07:55:49,000
So, let me throw my numbers out.

6613
07:55:49,000 --> 07:55:51,000
And I'll explain why my numbers are that way.

6614
07:55:51,000 --> 07:55:52,000
And then...

6615
07:55:52,000 --> 07:55:53,000
My logic.

6616
07:55:54,000 --> 07:55:55,000
Okay.

6617
07:55:55,000 --> 07:55:56,000
My wonderful logic here.

6618
07:55:56,000 --> 07:55:57,000
600 for Valko.

6619
07:55:57,000 --> 07:55:59,000
200 for Oak Shopping Center.

6620
07:55:59,000 --> 07:56:01,000
232 for Mune Plaza.

6621
07:56:01,000 --> 07:56:02,000
You're going too fast.

6622
07:56:02,000 --> 07:56:03,000
Okay.

6623
07:56:03,000 --> 07:56:04,000
600 for Valko.

6624
07:56:04,000 --> 07:56:05,000
Okay.

6625
07:56:05,000 --> 07:56:06,000
200 for Oak Shopping Center.

6626
07:56:06,000 --> 07:56:08,000
232 for Marina.

6627
07:56:08,000 --> 07:56:09,000
Okay.

6628
07:56:09,000 --> 07:56:11,000
650 for Hamptons.

6629
07:56:11,000 --> 07:56:14,000
And 11 for the Buries once in sight.

6630
07:56:14,000 --> 07:56:17,000
That will give you 1,693.

6631
07:56:17,000 --> 07:56:19,000
As Vice Mayor Singh said,

6632
07:56:20,000 --> 07:56:23,000
is that the 600's on Valko

6633
07:56:23,000 --> 07:56:27,000
won't get built out until maybe 3 or 4 years later from now.

6634
07:56:27,000 --> 07:56:30,000
And if it does not meet that requirement,

6635
07:56:30,000 --> 07:56:33,000
that number, if we minus that 600,

6636
07:56:33,000 --> 07:56:35,000
it would drop down to 1,093.

6637
07:56:40,000 --> 07:56:42,000
You like 1693?

6638
07:56:42,000 --> 07:56:43,000
Yeah.

6639
07:56:43,000 --> 07:56:44,000
So, on the...

6640
07:56:44,000 --> 07:56:46,000
But I'm doing it on the assumption

6641
07:56:47,000 --> 07:56:50,000
that the 600 will not get...

6642
07:56:50,000 --> 07:56:51,000
I mean...

6643
07:56:51,000 --> 07:56:52,000
Oh, Shopping Center.

6644
07:56:52,000 --> 07:56:54,000
Valko Fashion Park Mall

6645
07:56:54,000 --> 07:56:57,000
will need to prove to the future council

6646
07:56:57,000 --> 07:57:00,000
as that specific plan will take about 2 years.

6647
07:57:00,000 --> 07:57:02,000
And then they will have to go through

6648
07:57:02,000 --> 07:57:04,000
a use permit.

6649
07:57:04,000 --> 07:57:08,000
And then that could get chopped up from 600 to maybe

6650
07:57:08,000 --> 07:57:09,000
I don't know.

6651
07:57:09,000 --> 07:57:10,000
300 or 100.

6652
07:57:10,000 --> 07:57:12,000
Or even to 0.

6653
07:57:12,000 --> 07:57:14,000
Maybe they were able to get retail

6654
07:57:14,000 --> 07:57:17,000
to 200 or 7,000 square feet.

6655
07:57:17,000 --> 07:57:21,000
So, this is just my proposal, my suggestion.

6656
07:57:21,000 --> 07:57:24,000
If you make it a housing element site,

6657
07:57:24,000 --> 07:57:26,000
and you put 600 units on it,

6658
07:57:26,000 --> 07:57:28,000
and they proposed housing,

6659
07:57:28,000 --> 07:57:30,000
you can't take it down to 0 or even 300.

6660
07:57:30,000 --> 07:57:32,000
You might go to 450 or something,

6661
07:57:32,000 --> 07:57:33,000
but it can...

6662
07:57:33,000 --> 07:57:36,000
It has to be some reasonable range, I believe.

6663
07:57:36,000 --> 07:57:38,000
Not because...

6664
07:57:38,000 --> 07:57:39,000
What about...

6665
07:57:39,000 --> 07:57:41,000
Because it's a specific plan,

6666
07:57:41,000 --> 07:57:44,000
that we don't have that same hand cuff thing.

6667
07:57:44,000 --> 07:57:47,000
We would have to do the finding of known

6668
07:57:47,000 --> 07:57:49,000
that loss and make sure that we have other sites.

6669
07:57:49,000 --> 07:57:50,000
We would...

6670
07:57:50,000 --> 07:57:53,000
In Gilbert's case, we would.

6671
07:57:53,000 --> 07:57:55,000
Right.

6672
07:57:55,000 --> 07:57:57,000
And we could pop another back-up site in,

6673
07:57:57,000 --> 07:57:58,000
like...

6674
07:57:58,000 --> 07:57:59,000
Right.

6675
07:57:59,000 --> 07:58:00,000
Summer winds or whatever.

6676
07:58:00,000 --> 07:58:03,000
It'd be a same thing that Rod said

6677
07:58:03,000 --> 07:58:04,000
in a different way.

6678
07:58:04,000 --> 07:58:05,000
Right.

6679
07:58:05,000 --> 07:58:08,000
So, it's just a question of whether you start...

6680
07:58:09,000 --> 07:58:10,000
Yeah.

6681
07:58:10,000 --> 07:58:12,000
I could live with that.

6682
07:58:12,000 --> 07:58:13,000
I mean, it's just an idea.

6683
07:58:13,000 --> 07:58:14,000
I mean, it's just a thought.

6684
07:58:14,000 --> 07:58:15,000
No.

6685
07:58:15,000 --> 07:58:16,000
And I'm not saying that.

6686
07:58:16,000 --> 07:58:17,000
I'm not saying that.

6687
07:58:17,000 --> 07:58:18,000
I'm not saying that.

6688
07:58:18,000 --> 07:58:20,000
I'm not saying that.

6689
07:58:20,000 --> 07:58:21,000
Except I could live with that.

6690
07:58:21,000 --> 07:58:22,000
Okay.

6691
07:58:22,000 --> 07:58:23,000
If we can get a third person.

6692
07:58:23,000 --> 07:58:24,000
I'm...

6693
07:58:24,000 --> 07:58:26,000
So, I just want to understand.

6694
07:58:26,000 --> 07:58:29,000
You're proposing to go 307 over

6695
07:58:29,000 --> 07:58:31,000
the staff recommended number.

6696
07:58:31,000 --> 07:58:32,000
Correct.

6697
07:58:32,000 --> 07:58:33,000
But...

6698
07:58:33,000 --> 07:58:34,000
Yeah.

6699
07:58:34,000 --> 07:58:36,000
I'm not...

6700
07:58:37,000 --> 07:58:38,000
Or we can get an option.

6701
07:58:38,000 --> 07:58:40,000
I really think it would make more sense

6702
07:58:40,000 --> 07:58:46,000
to have an either or and not exceed the 1386.

6703
07:58:48,000 --> 07:58:51,000
But I am interested in staff's opinion

6704
07:58:51,000 --> 07:58:55,000
about whether this idea that we can say

6705
07:58:55,000 --> 07:58:58,000
after three years, four years, put a timer on

6706
07:58:58,000 --> 07:59:00,000
Valco and if Valco doesn't happen,

6707
07:59:00,000 --> 07:59:04,000
then we enable for the second half of our eight-year cycle.

6708
07:59:04,000 --> 07:59:07,000
We enable or some part of it, right?

6709
07:59:07,000 --> 07:59:09,000
Some... whatever it works out to be,

6710
07:59:09,000 --> 07:59:11,000
then we enable other sites.

6711
07:59:11,000 --> 07:59:13,000
But if... but only if.

6712
07:59:13,000 --> 07:59:16,000
And we don't do that in advance.

6713
07:59:16,000 --> 07:59:19,000
Do we have the ability to do that?

6714
07:59:19,000 --> 07:59:20,000
Is that...

6715
07:59:20,000 --> 07:59:22,000
Should we be able to convince HCD?

6716
07:59:22,000 --> 07:59:23,000
This is a reasonable...

6717
07:59:23,000 --> 07:59:27,000
doing something conditionals a reasonable plan with a timer?

6718
07:59:27,000 --> 07:59:30,000
Does... does this proposal mean that you would want

6719
07:59:30,000 --> 07:59:32,000
to come back and amend the housing element?

6720
07:59:32,000 --> 07:59:33,000
No.

6721
07:59:33,000 --> 07:59:35,000
I mean, ideally not.

6722
07:59:35,000 --> 07:59:36,000
No.

6723
07:59:36,000 --> 07:59:40,000
I want to be done with these folks for eight.

6724
07:59:40,000 --> 07:59:44,000
So we could set up a situation where you have

6725
07:59:44,000 --> 07:59:46,000
an initial list of sites in a number.

6726
07:59:46,000 --> 07:59:50,000
If one site doesn't develop within a certain amount of time,

6727
07:59:50,000 --> 07:59:54,000
then you have an alternative list of sites in a number.

6728
07:59:54,000 --> 07:59:57,000
And those numbers don't have to be the same.

6729
07:59:57,000 --> 08:00:00,000
But let's say we wanted the credible.

6730
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:14,000
And I'll call it scenario a, plays out, we get Valco done. And we've done our approximately 600. I mean, we're kind of at 582, whatever, something in there, right?

6731
08:00:14,000 --> 08:00:37,000
So scenario B says, doesn't happen within given time frame. We still have time for somebody to come in and take the 600 because we've, we've defined, we can't just put it in the pool, we've got it assigned specific sites, I'm assuming in advance to be credible. We can't say, right?

6732
08:00:37,000 --> 08:01:05,000
So we need sites. So that's why I was, I was actually trying to name, well, uping the oaks from, in this scenario, 50 to 235, going from, putting summer winds in and putting marina in, where I didn't have them originally, to make the same 1386, I have under scenario a.

6733
08:01:05,000 --> 08:01:24,000
So under both scenarios, you would have no more than 1386. Right. That's about scenarios. I have exactly 1386. That's where I started. I hate the summer wind side. It's surrounded by a lot of residential housing. I think it's a fine, I think, I think, I think we don't well, I mean, are you, are we all fine with?

6734
08:01:24,000 --> 08:01:29,000
Well, can I ask Barry, did you like my idea, Barry?

6735
08:01:29,000 --> 08:01:34,000
I didn't see him walk away. I asked when he comes back.

6736
08:01:34,000 --> 08:01:39,000
So, Rod, when you just mentioned again, your numbers again?

6737
08:01:39,000 --> 08:01:46,000
Okay, here's my scenario, please. The thing that I would hope would go because I want Valco to go.

6738
08:01:46,000 --> 08:02:03,000
Valco at 582 by the two, Hampton's at 650, 650, Barry Swenson at 11, 11, Glenbrook, Glenbrook in Phil at 93, Glenbrook at 93, Oaks at 50, and where I'm assuming, right, that this is mostly a mixed use site.

6739
08:02:03,000 --> 08:02:12,000
And we figure out how to talk about the density requirement getting there by saying this, the housing is on a specific part of the site.

6740
08:02:12,000 --> 08:02:25,000
And what was brewing if the, I'm sorry, Marina Foods zero, summer wind zero, United furniture zero, I don't want United, I don't do not want to, I mean, anything on the east side, I don't want it.

6741
08:02:25,000 --> 08:02:26,000
Okay, I got it.

6742
08:02:26,000 --> 08:02:39,000
Okay, scenario B, okay, scenario B is where after our timer and we can decide what's reasonable there, Valco doesn't happen, so Valco zero, Hampton 750.

6743
08:02:39,000 --> 08:02:54,000
Okay, that's a question for you, go to scenario B. My concern is I think that the HD either accepts the site or they don't, and if they accept it, you don't have to have something that triggers something else later, right, I mean, that's not kind of within their ability to accept isn't it they accept the site or not.

6744
08:02:54,000 --> 08:03:06,000
Well, how we saw this alternative scenario is to say, if a site, if the city doesn't end up approving Valco because they don't like the plan that comes forward.

6745
08:03:06,000 --> 08:03:15,000
And you will have an alternative list of sites and an ACD might buy into that because now you're trying to find sites, so there's no net loss.

6746
08:03:15,000 --> 08:03:20,000
You're going to, you're going to, there's going to know that Valco's contingent potentially.

6747
08:03:20,000 --> 08:03:22,000
It's, it's a, it's a very high risk gambit.

6748
08:03:22,000 --> 08:03:29,000
So we can see, and then they might accept Valco, you did it versus they wouldn't accept it if you didn't do that is a site.

6749
08:03:29,000 --> 08:03:34,000
Well, Valco is either in or out and then if Valco's out within four years we have to find other sites.

6750
08:03:34,000 --> 08:03:42,000
I don't know, the question is would they accept Valco, the only reason to do that is if it increases their odds of accepting Valco, right, if they accept Valco.

6751
08:03:42,000 --> 08:03:43,000
Right.

6752
08:03:43,000 --> 08:03:44,000
Then.

6753
08:03:44,000 --> 08:03:45,000
Yeah.

6754
08:03:45,000 --> 08:03:49,000
It doesn't, it doesn't go in four years, you know, unconditionally terrific.

6755
08:03:49,000 --> 08:03:50,000
Yeah.

6756
08:03:50,000 --> 08:03:51,000
But.

6757
08:03:51,000 --> 08:04:02,000
Well, it was by understanding that the idea was that if the community and the council did not feel comfortable approving the Valco project.

6758
08:04:03,000 --> 08:04:04,000
Yeah.

6759
08:04:04,000 --> 08:04:05,000
They're not going to know all that.

6760
08:04:05,000 --> 08:04:06,000
Right.

6761
08:04:06,000 --> 08:04:08,000
My, is this the only talking about getting an opportunity.

6762
08:04:08,000 --> 08:04:10,000
This is how the hours of this.

6763
08:04:10,000 --> 08:04:11,000
I listened to it.

6764
08:04:11,000 --> 08:04:12,000
It's part of watch it tonight.

6765
08:04:12,000 --> 08:04:13,000
So.

6766
08:04:13,000 --> 08:04:18,000
So my question is, wouldn't they just simply accept Valco or not is the housing element site?

6767
08:04:18,000 --> 08:04:23,000
Well, the council is making it conditional so they may not.

6768
08:04:23,000 --> 08:04:27,000
Because they like sites to either be in or out.

6769
08:04:27,000 --> 08:04:31,000
So we have a consultant attorney who would like to say something and I'll allow her to say something.

6770
08:04:32,000 --> 08:04:34,000
Just in terms for the record your names.

6771
08:04:34,000 --> 08:04:35,000
I know who you are.

6772
08:04:35,000 --> 08:04:36,000
Yes, I know.

6773
08:04:36,000 --> 08:04:37,000
I'm sorry.

6774
08:04:37,000 --> 08:04:38,000
I'm Barbara Calts.

6775
08:04:38,000 --> 08:04:42,000
I'm with Gold for amendment on your council on the housing element.

6776
08:04:42,000 --> 08:04:44,000
And just in terms of.

6777
08:04:44,000 --> 08:04:46,000
Let's say a few years down the line.

6778
08:04:46,000 --> 08:04:48,000
Valco's not approved at that point.

6779
08:04:48,000 --> 08:04:50,000
You have enough sites.

6780
08:04:50,000 --> 08:04:54,000
And the state laws says that if you.

6781
08:04:54,000 --> 08:05:00,000
If a site is included in your housing element and you either want to deny the application or reduce it for few.

6782
08:05:00,000 --> 08:05:05,000
Or approve it for fewer units than are shown in the housing element.

6783
08:05:05,000 --> 08:05:09,000
You need to either say, well, you have enough sites left.

6784
08:05:09,000 --> 08:05:15,000
You know, to meet your arena, which you would not do if obviously if no units were approved on a Valco.

6785
08:05:15,000 --> 08:05:17,000
Or you have to find another site.

6786
08:05:17,000 --> 08:05:22,000
So what this staff is trying to do and I think with the alternative be.

6787
08:05:22,000 --> 08:05:28,000
Is to indicate an advance with those alternative sites would be rather than making you do it at the time.

6788
08:05:28,000 --> 08:05:32,000
You know, if you decide not to approve the housing on the Valco site.

6789
08:05:32,000 --> 08:05:33,000
Can you ask you a question?

6790
08:05:33,000 --> 08:05:34,000
Sure.

6791
08:05:34,000 --> 08:05:37,000
On my suggestion that I suggest a 1693.

6792
08:05:37,000 --> 08:05:42,000
But it would take four years for a Valco to build their suggested 600 units.

6793
08:05:42,000 --> 08:05:43,000
Right.

6794
08:05:43,000 --> 08:05:45,000
And then let's say that they're at their tail end.

6795
08:05:45,000 --> 08:05:48,000
And let's say that the community says we don't want to see the units.

6796
08:05:48,000 --> 08:05:50,000
We want maybe 300 or maybe 100.

6797
08:05:50,000 --> 08:05:52,000
Can we make a case to.

6798
08:05:53,000 --> 08:05:58,000
ACD that because of the that we met the minimum threshold of 1,000.

6799
08:05:58,000 --> 08:06:02,000
Where ever that number was 1,000 30 was it or.

6800
08:06:02,000 --> 08:06:03,000
Right. Right.

6801
08:06:03,000 --> 08:06:04,000
Yeah.

6802
08:06:04,000 --> 08:06:05,000
Yeah.

6803
08:06:05,000 --> 08:06:06,000
Yeah.

6804
08:06:06,000 --> 08:06:09,000
You're 100 that can we lower that amount as long as you met that.

6805
08:06:09,000 --> 08:06:10,000
Minomial threshold.

6806
08:06:10,000 --> 08:06:11,000
Right.

6807
08:06:11,000 --> 08:06:14,000
Under your scenario assuming that none of the other sites dropped out.

6808
08:06:14,000 --> 08:06:20,000
You really would have the option of approving zero to 600 units at Valco.

6809
08:06:20,000 --> 08:06:22,000
So I do have the option of approving zero to 600.

6810
08:06:22,000 --> 08:06:25,000
If you're not guaranteed to 600 as long as the other sites as long as the other sites.

6811
08:06:25,000 --> 08:06:27,000
As long as the other sites remain.

6812
08:06:27,000 --> 08:06:30,000
And you right because then you'd have 1093 left.

6813
08:06:30,000 --> 08:06:31,000
Yes.

6814
08:06:31,000 --> 08:06:32,000
I remember your.

6815
08:06:32,000 --> 08:06:33,000
1093.

6816
08:06:33,000 --> 08:06:34,000
Right.

6817
08:06:34,000 --> 08:06:36,000
And that exceeds the 1,000 to that you need.

6818
08:06:36,000 --> 08:06:37,000
Correct.

6819
08:06:37,000 --> 08:06:40,000
Because the minimum that council more central was supporting.

6820
08:06:40,000 --> 08:06:43,000
Was a 1,000 to which was.

6821
08:06:43,000 --> 08:06:48,000
And so it's going to.

6822
08:06:48,000 --> 08:06:49,000
But again, you know.

6823
08:06:49,000 --> 08:06:51,000
Some people think it's just going to be a good idea.

6824
08:06:51,000 --> 08:07:08,000
Some people think it's going to be a good idea and quote and quote.

6825
08:07:08,000 --> 08:07:09,000
These.

6826
08:07:09,000 --> 08:07:12,000
that you could make the finding that you still had adequate sites.

6827
08:07:12,000 --> 08:07:14,000
But again, assuming that none of the others dropped out.

6828
08:07:14,000 --> 08:07:15,000
I just did Barbara.

6829
08:07:15,000 --> 08:07:18,000
But Rod's idea works the same, which is,

6830
08:07:18,000 --> 08:07:20,000
well, you asked for a lower number than you say,

6831
08:07:20,000 --> 08:07:23,000
if one of these drop out we're going to swap in this alternate.

6832
08:07:23,000 --> 08:07:29,000
What I would hate to do is entitle everything that you've asked for,

6833
08:07:29,000 --> 08:07:33,000
and then find out that Valco indeed needs 600.

6834
08:07:33,000 --> 08:07:35,000
And now we want to make Valco go,

6835
08:07:35,000 --> 08:07:39,000
and all of a sudden, instead of entitling 1386,

6836
08:07:39,000 --> 08:07:43,000
we've entitled you your 1693, and that, you know,

6837
08:07:43,000 --> 08:07:45,000
is all the most it gets built.

6838
08:07:45,000 --> 08:07:48,000
Well, I would be okay with you could put just,

6839
08:07:48,000 --> 08:07:51,000
for example, Valco and the Hamptons with my list,

6840
08:07:51,000 --> 08:07:53,000
and put the others as alternate sites that go in if it weren't.

6841
08:07:53,000 --> 08:07:54,000
Well, that's what I was saying.

6842
08:07:54,000 --> 08:07:58,000
Because I'm okay with swapping, it's not enough,

6843
08:07:58,000 --> 08:08:04,000
but villages for granite rock, I don't really care.

6844
08:08:05,000 --> 08:08:06,000
Thank you.

6845
08:08:06,000 --> 08:08:08,000
Were you okay with my suggestion?

6846
08:08:08,000 --> 08:08:10,000
Well, what were your sites?

6847
08:08:10,000 --> 08:08:11,000
My very?

6848
08:08:11,000 --> 08:08:12,000
Yeah.

6849
08:08:12,000 --> 08:08:13,000
Well.

6850
08:08:13,000 --> 08:08:14,000
My site?

6851
08:08:14,000 --> 08:08:15,000
No, no, no.

6852
08:08:15,000 --> 08:08:16,000
I'll reset it.

6853
08:08:16,000 --> 08:08:17,000
600 if one more.

6854
08:08:17,000 --> 08:08:18,000
Let me answer that question.

6855
08:08:18,000 --> 08:08:19,000
Hamptons 300 and 8.

6856
08:08:19,000 --> 08:08:23,000
Marina 222, all 235, and pretty sons and 11.

6857
08:08:27,000 --> 08:08:31,000
I'm afraid that we go by Mayor's suggestion,

6858
08:08:31,000 --> 08:08:34,000
and you've all the project coming through,

6859
08:08:34,000 --> 08:08:38,000
and that means we got 1690s of units,

6860
08:08:38,000 --> 08:08:40,000
which is more than minimum.

6861
08:08:43,000 --> 08:08:46,000
So can I ask Mark about his sites, so I can...

6862
08:08:46,000 --> 08:08:47,000
Sure.

6863
08:08:47,000 --> 08:08:50,000
So tell me again about your son and what they were, why?

6864
08:08:50,000 --> 08:08:51,000
No, no.

6865
08:08:51,000 --> 08:08:53,000
What they are with the numbers again?

6866
08:08:53,000 --> 08:08:56,000
Hamptons 748.

6867
08:08:56,000 --> 08:08:58,000
Right.

6868
08:08:58,000 --> 08:09:00,000
Go and work 228.

6869
08:09:02,000 --> 08:09:03,000
228?

6870
08:09:03,000 --> 08:09:04,000
Yeah.

6871
08:09:04,000 --> 08:09:05,000
228.

6872
08:09:05,000 --> 08:09:06,000
228.

6873
08:09:06,000 --> 08:09:07,000
228.

6874
08:09:07,000 --> 08:09:08,000
OK, 228, no problem.

6875
08:09:08,000 --> 08:09:11,000
But they were on the list at 93, so that's a different...

6876
08:09:11,000 --> 08:09:15,000
Dinsley and realistic capacity is 228 on the table.

6877
08:09:15,000 --> 08:09:17,000
I'm looking at for Glenbrook's.

6878
08:09:17,000 --> 08:09:20,000
That a clear down and stuff.

6879
08:09:20,000 --> 08:09:21,000
Yeah.

6880
08:09:21,000 --> 08:09:23,000
Tell me more about...

6881
08:09:23,000 --> 08:09:25,000
That's a printing company.

6882
08:09:25,000 --> 08:09:27,000
No, there's 517 existing units.

6883
08:09:27,000 --> 08:09:29,000
228 additional.

6884
08:09:29,000 --> 08:09:31,000
Dinsley, realistic capacity.

6885
08:09:31,000 --> 08:09:32,000
What does that have 93?

6886
08:09:32,000 --> 08:09:35,000
So every sheet I have has 93.

6887
08:09:35,000 --> 08:09:36,000
Yeah, 93.

6888
08:09:36,000 --> 08:09:37,000
That changed again.

6889
08:09:37,000 --> 08:09:42,000
I guess what we're saying is 93 assumed that they would fill in the existing spaces.

6890
08:09:42,000 --> 08:09:48,000
Anything more than that would likely require a tearing down of existing units.

6891
08:09:48,000 --> 08:09:52,000
That might be more difficult if it was only being replaced by 100.

6892
08:09:52,000 --> 08:09:55,000
But we need to look at the site plan figure out how.

6893
08:09:55,000 --> 08:09:57,000
So it's not easy to say.

6894
08:09:57,000 --> 08:10:03,000
Are they going to tear down all of 517 units to build an additional 228 likely not?

6895
08:10:03,000 --> 08:10:08,000
Can they accommodate 28 in the open space likely not?

6896
08:10:08,000 --> 08:10:11,000
So they'd have to tear down a significant portion.

6897
08:10:11,000 --> 08:10:13,000
No, let me ask the question.

6898
08:10:13,000 --> 08:10:14,000
OK.

6899
08:10:14,000 --> 08:10:15,000
What HD by 228?

6900
08:10:15,000 --> 08:10:20,000
I think it would be hard because last time we were able to explain that they filled in the open space.

6901
08:10:20,000 --> 08:10:23,000
Now we'd have to say they would be tearing down existing buildings.

6902
08:10:23,000 --> 08:10:25,000
So HD would buy 93.

6903
08:10:25,000 --> 08:10:28,000
They would buy 93 because they bought it last time.

6904
08:10:28,000 --> 08:10:29,000
OK.

6905
08:10:37,000 --> 08:10:38,000
OK.

6906
08:10:38,000 --> 08:10:40,000
Villages 62.

6907
08:10:40,000 --> 08:10:43,000
So what number do you want to have?

6908
08:10:43,000 --> 08:10:44,000
You want to use that?

6909
08:10:44,000 --> 08:10:45,000
I can go with 93.

6910
08:10:45,000 --> 08:10:46,000
OK.

6911
08:10:46,000 --> 08:10:47,000
OK.

6912
08:10:47,000 --> 08:10:48,000
I want to number.

6913
08:10:48,000 --> 08:10:49,000
They're going to buy.

6914
08:10:49,000 --> 08:10:50,000
OK.

6915
08:10:50,000 --> 08:10:53,000
So 748 Hampton's Limburg 93.

6916
08:10:53,000 --> 08:10:54,000
Oaks.

6917
08:10:54,000 --> 08:10:56,000
And that's already been approved.

6918
08:10:56,000 --> 08:10:57,000
Was the Oaks on there?

6919
08:10:57,000 --> 08:10:58,000
OK.

6920
08:10:58,000 --> 08:10:59,000
Keep going.

6921
08:10:59,000 --> 08:11:00,000
Villages 62.

6922
08:11:00,000 --> 08:11:02,000
Which is also an existing approved site.

6923
08:11:02,000 --> 08:11:03,000
Wait.

6924
08:11:03,000 --> 08:11:04,000
Hold on.

6925
08:11:04,000 --> 08:11:05,000
Villages 62.

6926
08:11:05,000 --> 08:11:06,000
OK.

6927
08:11:06,000 --> 08:11:08,000
However, 169.

6928
08:11:08,000 --> 08:11:11,000
Where's that?

6929
08:11:11,000 --> 08:11:13,000
That's on.

6930
08:11:13,000 --> 08:11:15,000
Right.

6931
08:11:15,000 --> 08:11:16,000
Right.

6932
08:11:16,000 --> 08:11:19,000
It's on valley green adjacent villages.

6933
08:11:19,000 --> 08:11:20,000
Right.

6934
08:11:20,000 --> 08:11:22,000
It's on villages in that or adjacent.

6935
08:11:22,000 --> 08:11:23,000
So it's right next to villages.

6936
08:11:23,000 --> 08:11:24,000
OK.

6937
08:11:24,000 --> 08:11:25,000
It's already a high density housing thing.

6938
08:11:25,000 --> 08:11:26,000
It's currently.

6939
08:11:26,000 --> 08:11:27,000
OK.

6940
08:11:27,000 --> 08:11:30,000
The apple is currently occupying those buildings when they build the new space.

6941
08:11:30,000 --> 08:11:31,000
It's likely.

6942
08:11:31,000 --> 08:11:32,000
OK.

6943
08:11:32,000 --> 08:11:33,000
And remember that?

6944
08:11:33,000 --> 08:11:34,000
There were a big lot.

6945
08:11:34,000 --> 08:11:35,000
Huge parking lot.

6946
08:11:35,000 --> 08:11:36,000
OK.

6947
08:11:36,000 --> 08:11:38,000
Is it possible we could pull that up out of map?

6948
08:11:38,000 --> 08:11:41,000
Exposence possible.

6949
08:11:41,000 --> 08:11:43,000
So what's the total mark that you have?

6950
08:11:43,000 --> 08:11:45,000
And then in the queue mark.

6951
08:11:45,000 --> 08:11:46,000
So let's see.

6952
08:11:46,000 --> 08:11:47,000
I need to take off.

6953
08:11:47,000 --> 08:11:49,000
So it's a smaller number now.

6954
08:11:49,000 --> 08:11:50,000
So I need to re-ad them.

6955
08:11:50,000 --> 08:11:51,000
Do you have a null file?

6956
08:11:51,000 --> 08:11:52,000
1105?

6957
08:11:52,000 --> 08:11:53,000
1105?

6958
08:11:53,000 --> 08:11:55,000
And do you need to have the oaks in at all?

6959
08:11:55,000 --> 08:11:56,000
No.

6960
08:11:56,000 --> 08:11:57,000
OK.

6961
08:11:57,000 --> 08:11:59,000
I kind of like the oaks is a retail destination.

6962
08:11:59,000 --> 08:12:00,000
It's kind of the only one there.

6963
08:12:00,000 --> 08:12:04,000
And I kind of like it having critical mass for people to eat and stuff like that.

6964
08:12:04,000 --> 08:12:06,000
Some little bit.

6965
08:12:06,000 --> 08:12:09,000
There's a lot of housing right across the street from it.

6966
08:12:09,000 --> 08:12:10,000
Already this.

6967
08:12:10,000 --> 08:12:13,000
I was looking at adding to the Glenberg apartments instead.

6968
08:12:13,000 --> 08:12:14,000
Same part of town.

6969
08:12:14,000 --> 08:12:15,000
Just right here.

6970
08:12:15,000 --> 08:12:19,000
So I'm still back.

6971
08:12:19,000 --> 08:12:20,000
OK.

6972
08:12:20,000 --> 08:12:23,000
So my original proposal with rods scenario be.

6973
08:12:23,000 --> 08:12:26,000
But changing rods scenario be to be.

6974
08:12:26,000 --> 08:12:29,000
235 for the oaks.

6975
08:12:29,000 --> 08:12:32,000
62 for the villages.

6976
08:12:32,000 --> 08:12:36,000
And then it brought right at 50 for the oaks.

6977
08:12:36,000 --> 08:12:37,000
No.

6978
08:12:37,000 --> 08:12:38,000
Sorry.

6979
08:12:38,000 --> 08:12:39,000
Sorry.

6980
08:12:39,000 --> 08:12:40,000
Sorry.

6981
08:12:40,000 --> 08:12:41,000
OK.

6982
08:12:41,000 --> 08:12:42,000
Okay.

6983
08:12:42,000 --> 08:12:43,000
So scenario.

6984
08:12:44,000 --> 08:12:45,000
Yes.

6985
08:12:45,000 --> 08:12:46,000
I'm sorry.

6986
08:12:46,000 --> 08:12:47,000
So scenario.

6987
08:12:47,000 --> 08:12:48,000
1386.

6988
08:12:48,000 --> 08:12:51,000
scenario B now is.

6989
08:12:51,000 --> 08:12:53,000
Taco zero.

6990
08:12:53,000 --> 08:12:54,000
Hampton's.

6991
08:12:54,000 --> 08:12:56,000
750.

6992
08:12:56,000 --> 08:12:58,000
Swanson.

6993
08:12:58,000 --> 08:13:00,000
You know, Barry swanson 11.

6994
08:13:00,000 --> 08:13:02,000
Glenberg 93.

6995
08:13:02,000 --> 08:13:05,000
Oaks 235.

6996
08:13:05,000 --> 08:13:07,000
villages.

6997
08:13:07,000 --> 08:13:10,000
I'd say instead of summer winds.

6998
08:13:10,000 --> 08:13:12,000
Put the villages in at 62.

6999
08:13:12,000 --> 08:13:17,000
And then kick marine up to whatever it makes to make 1386.

7000
08:13:17,000 --> 08:13:21,000
Probably 232 is close because we're 30 off or something like that.

7001
08:13:21,000 --> 08:13:24,000
It's almost perfect for the 232.

7002
08:13:24,000 --> 08:13:25,000
And I could.

7003
08:13:25,000 --> 08:13:26,000
I could dig you with that.

7004
08:13:26,000 --> 08:13:29,000
Or can't throw another suggestion here.

7005
08:13:29,000 --> 08:13:31,000
So I'm trying to get.

7006
08:13:31,000 --> 08:13:37,000
And then just throwing this number of 1,400 to get to close to what staff was recommending.

7007
08:13:37,000 --> 08:13:39,000
500 for Valco.

7008
08:13:39,000 --> 08:13:42,000
100 for Oak Shopping Center.

7009
08:13:42,000 --> 08:13:45,000
500 for Valco.

7010
08:13:45,000 --> 08:13:47,000
500 for Valco.

7011
08:13:47,000 --> 08:13:48,000
Okay.

7012
08:13:48,000 --> 08:13:50,000
100 for Oaks.

7013
08:13:50,000 --> 08:13:52,000
100 for Oaks.

7014
08:13:52,000 --> 08:13:55,000
200 for Marina.

7015
08:13:55,000 --> 08:13:57,000
600 for Hampton.

7016
08:13:57,000 --> 08:13:59,000
11 for.

7017
08:13:59,000 --> 08:14:01,000
Brace once in sight.

7018
08:14:01,000 --> 08:14:02,000
Why do you want to.

7019
08:14:02,000 --> 08:14:04,000
So Marina is a pretty popular.

7020
08:14:05,000 --> 08:14:06,000
And I'm going to.

7021
08:14:06,000 --> 08:14:07,000
You got that.

7022
08:14:07,000 --> 08:14:10,000
That the ALO often see a lot of stuff right around there.

7023
08:14:10,000 --> 08:14:13,000
And I think I think that's cutting the Hampton's down too much.

7024
08:14:13,000 --> 08:14:14,000
Okay.

7025
08:14:14,000 --> 08:14:19,000
So I think we're good if you agree with.

7026
08:14:19,000 --> 08:14:20,000
Okay.

7027
08:14:20,000 --> 08:14:22,000
We're going to rob it else.

7028
08:14:22,000 --> 08:14:23,000
Thanks.

7029
08:14:23,000 --> 08:14:24,000
Okay.

7030
08:14:24,000 --> 08:14:27,000
So we got two scenarios.

7031
08:14:28,000 --> 08:14:31,000
582 for Valco.

7032
08:14:31,000 --> 08:14:33,000
650 for Hampton's.

7033
08:14:33,000 --> 08:14:35,000
11 for.

7034
08:14:35,000 --> 08:14:36,000
20.

7035
08:14:36,000 --> 08:14:37,000
12.

7036
08:14:37,000 --> 08:14:38,000
12.

7037
08:14:38,000 --> 08:14:39,000
12.

7038
08:14:39,000 --> 08:14:40,000
12.

7039
08:14:40,000 --> 08:14:41,000
12.

7040
08:14:41,000 --> 08:14:42,000
12.

7041
08:14:42,000 --> 08:14:43,000
12.

7042
08:14:43,000 --> 08:14:44,000
12.

7043
08:14:44,000 --> 08:14:45,000
12.

7044
08:14:45,000 --> 08:14:46,000
12.

7045
08:14:46,000 --> 08:14:47,000
12.

7046
08:14:47,000 --> 08:14:48,000
12.

7047
08:14:48,000 --> 08:14:49,000
12.

7048
08:14:49,000 --> 08:14:50,000
12.

7049
08:14:50,000 --> 08:14:51,000
12.

7050
08:14:51,000 --> 08:14:53,000
12.

7051
08:14:53,000 --> 08:14:54,000
12.

7052
08:14:55,000 --> 08:14:56,000
Almost.

7053
08:14:56,000 --> 08:14:57,000
12.

7054
08:14:57,000 --> 08:14:58,000
12.

7055
08:14:58,000 --> 08:14:59,000
11.

7056
08:14:59,000 --> 08:15:02,000
12.

7057
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:08,360
We also go back up to 235, and I'm saying, I haven't gotten rid of buying it as billages 62 instead

7058
08:15:02,000 --> 08:15:03,000
12.

7059
08:15:03,000 --> 08:15:04,000
12.

7060
08:15:04,000 --> 08:15:05,000
11.

7061
08:15:05,000 --> 08:15:06,000
7.

7062
08:15:06,000 --> 08:15:07,000
9.

7063
08:15:07,000 --> 08:15:09,000
3.

7064
08:15:08,360 --> 08:15:15,000
of summer winds in Marina, 232, and I think that comes out close to 386.

7065
08:15:09,000 --> 08:15:10,000
12.

7066
08:15:10,000 --> 08:15:11,000
12.

7067
08:15:11,000 --> 08:15:12,000
13.

7068
08:15:12,000 --> 08:15:13,000
9.

7069
08:15:13,000 --> 08:15:15,000
13.

7070
08:15:15,000 --> 08:15:17,000
12.

7071
08:15:15,000 --> 08:15:21,560
Marina was what again? 232. I think that's what it needs to get, because billages 62 is that

7072
08:15:17,000 --> 08:15:19,000
12.

7073
08:15:19,000 --> 08:15:22,000
11.

7074
08:15:21,560 --> 08:15:25,160
in 96, so it's 34 less.

7075
08:15:22,000 --> 08:15:23,000
13.

7076
08:15:25,160 --> 08:15:34,160
I'm probably okay with that, but I did want to entertain Marks two sites and could we pull them up on a map?

7077
08:15:34,160 --> 08:15:44,160
I just wanted to plan because I kind of got mixed in here. So Plan B was 0 for Valgo, 754 Hamptons, 235 for Oaks.

7078
08:15:44,160 --> 08:15:52,160
Buries once the site was 11, Glenbrook was 93, Marina was 200, what again?

7079
08:15:52,160 --> 08:15:57,160
I think it's 232, after that I lost you, I'm sorry.

7080
08:15:57,160 --> 08:16:01,160
There is no after that. Oh, the billages 62.

7081
08:16:01,160 --> 08:16:05,160
The billages 62.

7082
08:16:05,160 --> 08:16:08,160
So I think that covered Marks site the only other site.

7083
08:16:08,160 --> 08:16:13,160
You mentioned it was the Carl Bird one, which is 200, some units, or 169 units.

7084
08:16:13,160 --> 08:16:20,160
It is a clear question on number B, so that will be an option if Valgo fell off.

7085
08:16:20,160 --> 08:16:21,160
Yes.

7086
08:16:21,160 --> 08:16:26,160
Okay, so if Valgo fell on, what happens?

7087
08:16:26,160 --> 08:16:29,160
Valgo fell on, it's scenario A.

7088
08:16:29,160 --> 08:16:33,160
I prefer scenario B as A.

7089
08:16:33,160 --> 08:16:36,160
I'm sorry, what?

7090
08:16:36,160 --> 08:16:40,160
The flip flop is that B would be A and the A would be B.

7091
08:16:40,160 --> 08:16:42,160
And then I'm okay.

7092
08:16:42,160 --> 08:16:44,160
So you're, you're saying?

7093
08:16:44,160 --> 08:16:46,160
I don't know.

7094
08:16:46,160 --> 08:16:49,160
So scenario B is, you want to add units.

7095
08:16:49,160 --> 08:16:52,160
That's not to make everybody happy, but I don't see that happen.

7096
08:16:52,160 --> 08:16:54,160
Right.

7097
08:16:54,160 --> 08:16:58,160
I'm getting three units short on your list here.

7098
08:16:58,160 --> 08:16:59,160
Well, yeah, no.

7099
08:17:00,160 --> 08:17:02,160
Cross it. Yeah.

7100
08:17:14,160 --> 08:17:15,160
Why are you talking about?

7101
08:17:15,160 --> 08:17:16,160
She's whispering.

7102
08:17:16,160 --> 08:17:17,160
Okay.

7103
08:17:17,160 --> 08:17:19,160
So Barry, where are you?

7104
08:17:19,160 --> 08:17:23,160
Are you okay with this two-edged scenario?

7105
08:17:23,160 --> 08:17:26,160
I mean, do you understand that?

7106
08:17:26,160 --> 08:17:27,160
I understand.

7107
08:17:28,160 --> 08:17:31,160
Yeah, but I also understand Baco need to sort in a month to make it work.

7108
08:17:31,160 --> 08:17:33,160
And then to me, Baco is much more important than.

7109
08:17:33,160 --> 08:17:34,160
Oh, I agree.

7110
08:17:34,160 --> 08:17:35,160
And Hampton.

7111
08:17:35,160 --> 08:17:40,160
And also to me to spread it out is much more important than concentrate on the E size.

7112
08:17:40,160 --> 08:17:43,160
So I know, but he can't go forward.

7113
08:17:43,160 --> 08:17:44,160
Those are three.

7114
08:17:44,160 --> 08:17:46,160
So we've got three things that we want to have happen.

7115
08:17:46,160 --> 08:17:47,160
We all want to have a happen.

7116
08:17:47,160 --> 08:17:48,160
I think we want to spread it out.

7117
08:17:48,160 --> 08:17:50,160
We want Valgo and we want to happen.

7118
08:17:50,160 --> 08:17:53,160
And we want to keep it 13.

7119
08:17:53,160 --> 08:17:54,160
Six.

7120
08:17:54,160 --> 08:17:57,160
It was here with Gilbert of going higher than 386.

7121
08:17:57,160 --> 08:18:02,160
So my original friends just stayed the same.

7122
08:18:02,160 --> 08:18:03,160
Six hundred four.

7123
08:18:03,160 --> 08:18:04,160
Baco Hampton.

7124
08:18:04,160 --> 08:18:05,160
Three hundred eight.

7125
08:18:05,160 --> 08:18:06,160
Three hundred nine.

7126
08:18:06,160 --> 08:18:08,160
Two thirty two.

7127
08:18:08,160 --> 08:18:09,160
Two thirty five.

7128
08:18:09,160 --> 08:18:11,160
Very sons and eleven.

7129
08:18:11,160 --> 08:18:13,160
But you understand the Hampton schools.

7130
08:18:13,160 --> 08:18:14,160
They probably can't.

7131
08:18:14,160 --> 08:18:15,160
I don't think so.

7132
08:18:15,160 --> 08:18:16,160
I think we will work.

7133
08:18:16,160 --> 08:18:17,160
Okay.

7134
08:18:17,160 --> 08:18:18,160
That's your.

7135
08:18:18,160 --> 08:18:19,160
Okay.

7136
08:18:19,160 --> 08:18:20,160
So that's your base.

7137
08:18:20,160 --> 08:18:21,160
Yeah.

7138
08:18:21,160 --> 08:18:22,160
Okay.

7139
08:18:23,160 --> 08:18:25,160
Concentrate too many units on that area.

7140
08:18:25,160 --> 08:18:26,160
Yeah.

7141
08:18:26,160 --> 08:18:27,160
I understand.

7142
08:18:27,160 --> 08:18:28,160
Yeah.

7143
08:18:28,160 --> 08:18:29,160
I have the same motivation.

7144
08:18:29,160 --> 08:18:30,160
I just don't.

7145
08:18:30,160 --> 08:18:31,160
I have a different opinion.

7146
08:18:31,160 --> 08:18:34,160
So not to spoil the party here.

7147
08:18:34,160 --> 08:18:36,160
But it's three thirty two in the morning.

7148
08:18:36,160 --> 08:18:40,160
And I got some additional information from our sea attorney.

7149
08:18:40,160 --> 08:18:42,160
And unfortunately, I mean, she'll explain why.

7150
08:18:42,160 --> 08:18:45,160
But regarding the housing element site.

7151
08:18:45,160 --> 08:18:48,160
Whatever suggestions that we make.

7152
08:18:48,160 --> 08:18:50,160
We can't make those.

7153
08:18:50,160 --> 08:18:52,160
We can't go on it today.

7154
08:18:52,160 --> 08:18:55,160
We will have to continue it and she'll explain why.

7155
08:18:55,160 --> 08:18:58,160
I mean, I think you're doing.

7156
08:18:58,160 --> 08:18:59,160
I don't know.

7157
08:18:59,160 --> 08:19:01,160
I mean, I was pretty much here.

7158
08:19:01,160 --> 08:19:02,160
And I was told to.

7159
08:19:02,160 --> 08:19:04,160
We can talk until four or five in the morning.

7160
08:19:04,160 --> 08:19:05,160
But what?

7161
08:19:05,160 --> 08:19:06,160
We can continue.

7162
08:19:06,160 --> 08:19:07,160
I don't.

7163
08:19:07,160 --> 08:19:09,160
We have to be able to conform the findings to whatever you.

7164
08:19:09,160 --> 08:19:11,160
Whatever you guys decide to do.

7165
08:19:11,160 --> 08:19:12,160
Right.

7166
08:19:12,160 --> 08:19:13,160
So you still have to decide to do it.

7167
08:19:13,160 --> 08:19:15,160
But we can't obviously conform our findings.

7168
08:19:15,160 --> 08:19:17,160
Tonight because.

7169
08:19:17,160 --> 08:19:18,160
Okay.

7170
08:19:18,160 --> 08:19:19,160
We can.

7171
08:19:20,160 --> 08:19:21,160
Yeah, you need to stop a straw vote.

7172
08:19:21,160 --> 08:19:22,160
And you probably do need to be like.

7173
08:19:22,160 --> 08:19:23,160
We need to be like.

7174
08:19:23,160 --> 08:19:24,160
We need to be like.

7175
08:19:24,160 --> 08:19:25,160
We need to be like.

7176
08:19:25,160 --> 08:19:26,160
Can we let him finish?

7177
08:19:26,160 --> 08:19:27,160
We need to know.

7178
08:19:27,160 --> 08:19:28,160
Okay.

7179
08:19:28,160 --> 08:19:29,160
Because I like to know.

7180
08:19:29,160 --> 08:19:30,160
Somebody.

7181
08:19:30,160 --> 08:19:31,160
We need to get some sort of a straw vote.

7182
08:19:31,160 --> 08:19:32,160
So we know what to draft.

7183
08:19:32,160 --> 08:19:35,160
So we do need you guys to come to consensus.

7184
08:19:35,160 --> 08:19:36,160
beneficially.

7185
08:19:36,160 --> 08:19:38,160
And then the question is, do we.

7186
08:19:38,160 --> 08:19:40,160
We'd like to get this to Sacramento.

7187
08:19:40,160 --> 08:19:41,160
As soon as possible.

7188
08:19:41,160 --> 08:19:43,160
So that we can start the process.

7189
08:19:43,160 --> 08:19:44,160
Which could be.

7190
08:19:44,160 --> 08:19:45,160
Long.

7191
08:19:45,160 --> 08:19:48,160
And so the options are to continue to.

7192
08:19:48,160 --> 08:19:50,160
And early date.

7193
08:19:50,160 --> 08:19:53,160
This week or early next week.

7194
08:19:53,160 --> 08:19:56,160
Or wait all the way to the 18th and I'm not really.

7195
08:19:56,160 --> 08:19:58,160
I wouldn't recommend doing this because it.

7196
08:19:58,160 --> 08:19:59,160
We're.

7197
08:19:59,160 --> 08:20:00,160
We're.

7198
08:20:00,160 --> 08:20:01,160
We're.

7199
08:20:01,160 --> 08:20:03,160
So why is why this I'm.

7200
08:20:03,160 --> 08:20:05,160
I'm trying to understand.

7201
08:20:05,160 --> 08:20:06,160
Yeah.

7202
08:20:06,160 --> 08:20:08,160
In the interest of transparency.

7203
08:20:08,160 --> 08:20:09,160
Why all of a sudden.

7204
08:20:09,160 --> 08:20:10,160
We.

7205
08:20:10,160 --> 08:20:12,160
Decided we can't finish tonight.

7206
08:20:12,160 --> 08:20:15,160
So to to be able to legally adopt.

7207
08:20:15,160 --> 08:20:19,160
Whatever we do we have to be able to have a sequence which reflect.

7208
08:20:19,160 --> 08:20:23,160
The actual decision that you're making.

7209
08:20:23,160 --> 08:20:26,160
And we don't it's not in line with what you already.

7210
08:20:26,160 --> 08:20:27,160
Yeah.

7211
08:20:27,160 --> 08:20:28,160
You know it's quite I mean.

7212
08:20:28,160 --> 08:20:30,160
There's a lot of differences to it.

7213
08:20:30,160 --> 08:20:34,160
But it's it's a win the scope of the I are but it's not this findings are very very specific.

7214
08:20:34,160 --> 08:20:40,160
And they've drafted for the bounce plan because that's all we had to go by.

7215
08:20:40,160 --> 08:20:42,160
And this is different.

7216
08:20:42,160 --> 08:20:43,160
So we can just do it.

7217
08:20:43,160 --> 08:20:45,160
And you can put that on consent with the funds.

7218
08:20:45,160 --> 08:20:46,160
Yes.

7219
08:20:46,160 --> 08:20:48,160
It's it's a consent item but we can officially.

7220
08:20:48,160 --> 08:20:49,160
Okay.

7221
08:20:49,160 --> 08:20:51,160
All right. Well, but let's get through it anyway.

7222
08:20:51,160 --> 08:20:52,160
Right.

7223
08:20:52,160 --> 08:20:54,160
So we can do it even if you have to.

7224
08:20:54,160 --> 08:20:55,160
Please.

7225
08:20:55,160 --> 08:20:57,160
Okay.

7226
08:20:57,160 --> 08:20:58,160
So.

7227
08:20:58,160 --> 08:20:59,160
Gilbert.

7228
08:20:59,160 --> 08:21:00,160
The findings.

7229
08:21:00,160 --> 08:21:03,160
I'm I'm I'm I'm playing the numbers here.

7230
08:21:03,160 --> 08:21:04,160
Okay.

7231
08:21:04,160 --> 08:21:05,160
I'm talking.

7232
08:21:05,160 --> 08:21:08,160
I'm I'm listening to skip on talking.

7233
08:21:09,160 --> 08:21:15,160
Well, while while he's doing that, I was interested in marks reasoning for.

7234
08:21:15,160 --> 08:21:18,160
Villagesburg and humor.

7235
08:21:18,160 --> 08:21:20,160
Over say.

7236
08:21:20,160 --> 08:21:21,160
Diox.

7237
08:21:21,160 --> 08:21:23,160
Sure.

7238
08:21:23,160 --> 08:21:27,160
And maybe if we can pull him up on the map so we can see what.

7239
08:21:27,160 --> 08:21:28,160
Side of town, etc.

7240
08:21:28,160 --> 08:21:31,160
They're on and yet he had a.

7241
08:21:31,160 --> 08:21:33,160
We can get a map of the city.

7242
08:21:33,160 --> 08:21:36,160
Which I think Ron asked for about 20 minutes ago.

7243
08:21:36,160 --> 08:21:40,160
And we get.

7244
08:21:40,160 --> 08:21:43,160
Or or or one of the maps in the plans to show the sites.

7245
08:21:43,160 --> 08:21:51,160
I think there's a map and I did shows potential sites and it'll show those.

7246
08:21:51,160 --> 08:21:52,160
Okay.

7247
08:21:52,160 --> 08:21:59,160
So could you point out to us, please, which side is the villages.

7248
08:21:59,160 --> 08:22:01,160
Right.

7249
08:22:01,160 --> 08:22:02,160
So that's up.

7250
08:22:02,160 --> 08:22:05,160
Stealing road just to the east of Stealing.

7251
08:22:05,160 --> 08:22:06,160
It's an existing housing.

7252
08:22:06,160 --> 08:22:09,160
It's an existing apartment complex that they didn't fill.

7253
08:22:09,160 --> 08:22:10,160
Okay.

7254
08:22:10,160 --> 08:22:15,160
Is actually in Valley Green 3.

7255
08:22:15,160 --> 08:22:17,160
Okay.

7256
08:22:17,160 --> 08:22:22,160
Some villages in existing housing site that are very charming, but older units.

7257
08:22:22,160 --> 08:22:25,160
And, you know, the carlberg site is an older.

7258
08:22:25,160 --> 08:22:28,160
Commercial building currently occupied by Apple.

7259
08:22:28,160 --> 08:22:29,160
Okay.

7260
08:22:29,160 --> 08:22:31,160
What about Q mark?

7261
08:22:31,160 --> 08:22:34,160
Where's that?

7262
08:22:34,160 --> 08:22:38,160
He's on the east side of town.

7263
08:22:38,160 --> 08:22:42,160
It is on the east side of town.

7264
08:22:42,160 --> 08:22:43,160
It is on the east side of town.

7265
08:22:43,160 --> 08:22:48,160
It's at the intersection of Blaney and Stephen's Creek across the street from built more.

7266
08:22:48,160 --> 08:22:50,160
It's actually a couple units and staff.

7267
08:22:50,160 --> 08:22:52,160
I think it was on a corner with.

7268
08:22:52,160 --> 08:22:53,160
Right.

7269
08:22:53,160 --> 08:22:55,160
It's currently in the housing element.

7270
08:22:55,160 --> 08:22:56,160
Right.

7271
08:22:56,160 --> 08:22:57,160
That's I understand.

7272
08:22:57,160 --> 08:22:58,160
You've been improved.

7273
08:22:58,160 --> 08:23:00,160
I mean.

7274
08:23:00,160 --> 08:23:03,160
My priorities.

7275
08:23:03,160 --> 08:23:09,160
I've been walking in Hamton's would preclude me from supporting anything more on the east side of town.

7276
08:23:09,160 --> 08:23:14,160
And, and on the other ones, I mean I'm not.

7277
08:23:14,160 --> 08:23:15,160
You know, so that so the the Q mark net thing is my.

7278
08:23:15,160 --> 08:23:16,160
If you want me to rank them that way, we might.

7279
08:23:16,160 --> 08:23:18,160
My third choice of those three.

7280
08:23:18,160 --> 08:23:19,160
Okay.

7281
08:23:19,160 --> 08:23:20,160
I like.

7282
08:23:20,160 --> 08:23:29,160
I like the carlberg site, I think is a great site and the village is already existing in proubsite.

7283
08:23:29,160 --> 08:23:30,160
and I put in the keymark.

7284
08:23:30,160 --> 08:23:33,280
It was also an existing approved site, which means it's probably got a high probability

7285
08:23:33,280 --> 08:23:35,240
being approved again.

7286
08:23:35,240 --> 08:23:36,240
Right?

7287
08:23:36,240 --> 08:23:38,240
So I like approved sites that didn't get built last time.

7288
08:23:38,240 --> 08:23:43,800
So you know, by and of the concept that the Oaks has, I mean, we already had one proposal

7289
08:23:43,800 --> 08:23:48,080
that didn't, in order to refresh the Oaks that they're going to need some housing there.

7290
08:23:48,080 --> 08:23:56,600
You know, the general concept that's proposed is any place we want to build anything we

7291
08:23:56,600 --> 08:24:00,600
should allow housing, because everybody says if you don't have housing, it won't

7292
08:24:00,600 --> 08:24:01,600
cancel out.

7293
08:24:01,600 --> 08:24:03,600
But I read that one.

7294
08:24:03,600 --> 08:24:05,600
That's what they say.

7295
08:24:05,600 --> 08:24:06,600
Yes.

7296
08:24:06,600 --> 08:24:07,600
Let me know too.

7297
08:24:07,600 --> 08:24:08,600
Office.

7298
08:24:08,600 --> 08:24:09,600
No.

7299
08:24:09,600 --> 08:24:15,600
I think we should look at beyond what we need to meet with the say requirement.

7300
08:24:15,600 --> 08:24:19,600
I'm looking at what will be the best for the city in the future.

7301
08:24:19,600 --> 08:24:22,600
I'm not dying on the Oaks, but I like the other choices better.

7302
08:24:22,600 --> 08:24:23,600
I like the Oaks better.

7303
08:24:23,600 --> 08:24:24,600
I think.

7304
08:24:24,600 --> 08:24:26,600
I mean, do you go on the A sites?

7305
08:24:26,600 --> 08:24:28,600
They're very nice sites.

7306
08:24:28,600 --> 08:24:36,600
No, I like your, I like the villages instead of, you know, again, we're only talking about, well,

7307
08:24:36,600 --> 08:24:40,600
so the power of birth site is never going to be, I don't know.

7308
08:24:40,600 --> 08:24:44,600
It could be a housing element site, but it's not going to be a retail or anything.

7309
08:24:44,600 --> 08:24:45,600
Can I try one more time please?

7310
08:24:45,600 --> 08:24:46,600
Okay.

7311
08:24:46,600 --> 08:24:48,600
Well, can I just say something before you go?

7312
08:24:48,600 --> 08:24:49,600
Okay.

7313
08:24:49,600 --> 08:24:50,600
In general, right?

7314
08:24:50,600 --> 08:24:55,600
What we understand with VTA and transit knowledge, if we can concentrate,

7315
08:24:55,600 --> 08:25:04,600
some housing along our major arteries, we have a better chance of getting some mass transit solutions,

7316
08:25:04,600 --> 08:25:06,600
a better mass transit solution.

7317
08:25:06,600 --> 08:25:15,600
So I think the Glenbrook and Oaks being right across from Deans, all of that on the west side of town,

7318
08:25:16,600 --> 08:25:23,600
and choosing it in that general area over something up against the freeway that sort of off the beaten track.

7319
08:25:23,600 --> 08:25:30,600
I feel like we have a better chance of making something happen with transit along Steven's Creek.

7320
08:25:30,600 --> 08:25:35,600
So that would be my argument for either Glenbrook, the Oaks or both.

7321
08:25:35,600 --> 08:25:36,600
Right.

7322
08:25:36,600 --> 08:25:39,600
But Marina also next to frequent,

7323
08:25:39,600 --> 08:25:41,600
Yeah, no, Marina qualifies.

7324
08:25:42,600 --> 08:25:46,600
Marina is an area of being, you know.

7325
08:25:46,600 --> 08:25:51,600
Yeah, I mean, the only thing I think, Marina is if we're trying to give something to energize the city,

7326
08:25:51,600 --> 08:25:53,600
it's, Marina is pretty energized.

7327
08:25:53,600 --> 08:25:58,600
It's also in a pretty difficult traffic area, in my opinion, versus the other two.

7328
08:25:58,600 --> 08:26:02,600
The reason I would pick Glenbrook over the Oaks, so by the way,

7329
08:26:02,600 --> 08:26:07,600
so Commissioner Brophy, who's, I think for his entire life, is what he's done is look at stuff like this,

7330
08:26:07,600 --> 08:26:11,600
it doesn't believe mass transit is going to happen along there no matter what we do.

7331
08:26:11,600 --> 08:26:15,600
And it's, I'm going to defer to his opinion, because he's kind of the expert there,

7332
08:26:15,600 --> 08:26:20,600
but certainly even if the mass transit doesn't happen, if you're going to put it fired,

7333
08:26:20,600 --> 08:26:24,600
it's a housing, it's nice to get him, so they don't have to, you know, close to that.

7334
08:26:24,600 --> 08:26:27,600
It's not bad to put him on a near freeway.

7335
08:26:27,600 --> 08:26:30,600
So I, I just the only reason I would, let's say,

7336
08:26:31,600 --> 08:26:35,600
I picked, for example, Carl Berg versus the Oaks,

7337
08:26:35,600 --> 08:26:39,600
because I think the Oaks is a viable retail center in Carl Berg is not.

7338
08:26:39,600 --> 08:26:45,600
So that's why, and Glenbrook's already a housing site, and it already has housing on it,

7339
08:26:45,600 --> 08:26:47,600
so it seems like a lot.

7340
08:26:47,600 --> 08:26:53,600
Well, let's say that we were able to get VTA to do an express by sub-85.

7341
08:26:53,600 --> 08:27:01,600
And by having something right there at Steven's Creek or about their abouts,

7342
08:27:01,600 --> 08:27:03,600
we've been walking distance.

7343
08:27:03,600 --> 08:27:06,600
You know, right, if I believe you're premised, then everything's different.

7344
08:27:06,600 --> 08:27:07,600
Yeah, I know.

7345
08:27:07,600 --> 08:27:08,600
I haven't been able to do it at them.

7346
08:27:08,600 --> 08:27:09,600
I understand.

7347
08:27:09,600 --> 08:27:10,600
I just can't.

7348
08:27:10,600 --> 08:27:11,600
You can't.

7349
08:27:11,600 --> 08:27:12,600
You can't.

7350
08:27:12,600 --> 08:27:13,600
It was great.

7351
08:27:13,600 --> 08:27:14,600
That's a new attack number.

7352
08:27:14,600 --> 08:27:15,600
It's time for Gilbert to go again.

7353
08:27:15,600 --> 08:27:16,600
Take a shot.

7354
08:27:16,600 --> 08:27:18,600
Yeah, I'm just taking a while while shot here.

7355
08:27:18,600 --> 08:27:19,600
Take a shot.

7356
08:27:19,600 --> 08:27:21,600
You're going to go back from the arena again.

7357
08:27:21,600 --> 08:27:23,600
I'll go for 500.

7358
08:27:23,600 --> 08:27:25,600
Arena for 200.

7359
08:27:25,600 --> 08:27:27,600
Hamptons for 600.

7360
08:27:27,600 --> 08:27:29,600
Very soon for 11.

7361
08:27:29,600 --> 08:27:31,600
And Glenbrook for 50.

7362
08:27:31,600 --> 08:27:33,600
I've just said we could say before, right?

7363
08:27:33,600 --> 08:27:34,600
No.

7364
08:27:34,600 --> 08:27:35,600
It's different.

7365
08:27:35,600 --> 08:27:36,600
Pretty close.

7366
08:27:36,600 --> 08:27:38,600
That will bring us to 13.

7367
08:27:38,600 --> 08:27:39,600
13.

7368
08:27:39,600 --> 08:27:40,600
60.

7369
08:27:40,600 --> 08:27:42,600
So you take out.

7370
08:27:42,600 --> 08:27:43,600
Hulk.

7371
08:27:43,600 --> 08:27:44,600
Kodoroy?

7372
08:27:44,600 --> 08:27:47,600
Well, they want me to try to get as close to 1339 as possible.

7373
08:27:47,600 --> 08:27:48,600
But yeah, so I get.

7374
08:27:48,600 --> 08:27:50,600
Okay, so I'll start with.

7375
08:27:50,600 --> 08:27:51,600
I don't.

7376
08:27:51,600 --> 08:27:53,600
I don't have a.

7377
08:27:53,600 --> 08:27:58,600
I don't have a lot of traction for Marina for the reasons that we've heard up here.

7378
08:27:58,600 --> 08:28:00,600
You know, as far as.

7379
08:28:00,600 --> 08:28:02,600
It's working away it is now.

7380
08:28:02,600 --> 08:28:05,600
I think in a long term, something could happen to it.

7381
08:28:05,600 --> 08:28:09,600
But it's I don't see any big major community benefit to making that happen.

7382
08:28:09,600 --> 08:28:10,600
That a 200 unit.

7383
08:28:10,600 --> 08:28:11,600
Thanks.

7384
08:28:11,600 --> 08:28:12,600
So.

7385
08:28:12,600 --> 08:28:16,600
So it's especially at the expense of the oaks and some of the other ones.

7386
08:28:16,600 --> 08:28:18,600
And again, we're always talking about scenario B's.

7387
08:28:18,600 --> 08:28:32,600
So maybe it's semi academic, but.

7388
08:28:32,600 --> 08:28:33,600
It gets time for the main point.

7389
08:28:33,600 --> 08:28:34,600
My point.

7390
08:28:34,600 --> 08:28:38,600
My point is, Marina, who is ready to go and then do.

7391
08:28:38,600 --> 08:28:39,600
Don't forget ready to go.

7392
08:28:39,600 --> 08:28:42,600
It's not necessarily on the west side of it.

7393
08:28:42,600 --> 08:28:43,600
I mean, you want to.

7394
08:28:43,600 --> 08:28:44,600
You want to.

7395
08:28:44,600 --> 08:28:45,600
You want to.

7396
08:28:45,600 --> 08:28:46,600
But there.

7397
08:28:46,600 --> 08:28:47,600
So I do.

7398
08:28:47,600 --> 08:28:49,600
I do I do have a problem to.

7399
08:28:49,600 --> 08:28:50,600
To see your point.

7400
08:28:50,600 --> 08:28:51,600
So.

7401
08:28:51,600 --> 08:28:52,600
And I agree with Barry.

7402
08:28:52,600 --> 08:28:54,600
I just want to clarification from C staff.

7403
08:28:54,600 --> 08:28:58,600
Is that since we have to come back on another day to get.

7404
08:28:58,600 --> 08:29:00,600
No, let's do this slide.

7405
08:29:00,600 --> 08:29:02,600
I know we should do it tonight, but.

7406
08:29:02,600 --> 08:29:04,600
Do we have another opportunity to meet that.

7407
08:29:04,600 --> 08:29:07,600
Sequo requirement and give you that final number.

7408
08:29:07,600 --> 08:29:09,600
Maybe one zero third zero.

7409
08:29:09,600 --> 08:29:10,600
Whatever that is.

7410
08:29:10,600 --> 08:29:15,600
I'm going to take us some time after we get the final number to do the sequel findings.

7411
08:29:15,600 --> 08:29:19,600
So we'll need the number before we can do the sequel findings.

7412
08:29:19,600 --> 08:29:21,600
So we can't do both of those on the same day.

7413
08:29:21,600 --> 08:29:24,600
So if you take another, then we'll have to come to another meeting after that.

7414
08:29:24,600 --> 08:29:25,600
So give it.

7415
08:29:25,600 --> 08:29:26,600
What was let me think?

7416
08:29:26,600 --> 08:29:27,600
What was your thinking?

7417
08:29:27,600 --> 08:29:28,600
500.

7418
08:29:28,600 --> 08:29:29,600
500 for Valco.

7419
08:29:29,600 --> 08:29:30,600
Okay.

7420
08:29:30,600 --> 08:29:32,600
200 for minifutes.

7421
08:29:32,600 --> 08:29:34,600
600 for Hampton.

7422
08:29:34,600 --> 08:29:36,600
And 11 for.

7423
08:29:36,600 --> 08:29:37,600
Very.

7424
08:29:37,600 --> 08:29:38,600
Once the site.

7425
08:29:38,600 --> 08:29:39,600
And 54.

7426
08:29:39,600 --> 08:29:41,600
I have a different way to approach this.

7427
08:29:41,600 --> 08:29:43,600
Or you give me an idea.

7428
08:29:43,600 --> 08:29:44,600
How about.

7429
08:29:44,600 --> 08:29:49,600
We see if there's three in support of any site that you can work the numbers.

7430
08:29:49,600 --> 08:29:52,600
For example, I heard three in support of Valco.

7431
08:29:52,600 --> 08:29:53,600
Correct?

7432
08:29:53,600 --> 08:29:54,600
Not the same number.

7433
08:29:54,600 --> 08:29:56,600
It's three of us supports Valco.

7434
08:29:56,600 --> 08:29:58,600
You can work at the number.

7435
08:29:58,600 --> 08:29:59,600
And there's the least three people.

7436
08:30:00,000 --> 08:30:15,000
Go for the Hamptons. Okay? I'll go through my own different numbers. We're going to have, we're going to have a last. We're going to have extras, but okay. So Glenn Brooks, I think, had three also. Is that true?

7437
08:30:15,000 --> 08:30:23,000
I think everybody has Glenn Burke. Yes. I don't have Glenn Burke. Right, has least three? You know?

7438
08:30:23,000 --> 08:30:34,000
No. Okay. So then I had three different ones, which is villages, Carl Burke and the, in the Q-Mart. And I think you guys didn't like, nope, there weren't three for the Q-Mart.

7439
08:30:34,000 --> 08:30:43,000
I believe. So, it's a way, so if you start with, let's start with what we see the minimum of the three of us agree on.

7440
08:30:43,000 --> 08:30:50,000
So, if we're rich three, that's what I was doing. No. No, well, no, but I'm looking for the number to put down.

7441
08:30:50,000 --> 08:30:58,000
So, what's the minimum? I mean, I had a, I think we get the list and then maybe the number just falls out. We don't get lucky.

7442
08:30:58,000 --> 08:31:03,000
Let's try it. We can go for the list. So, this is a list is a scenario, a list.

7443
08:31:03,000 --> 08:31:05,000
No, no. This is a list.

7444
08:31:05,000 --> 08:31:08,000
I've got Valko in. This is, yeah, fine. Yes.

7445
08:31:08,000 --> 08:31:12,000
Yes. Okay. No, I mean, I was going to put down everything that looks like it's being built.

7446
08:31:12,000 --> 08:31:15,000
So we have Valko Hamptons, Glenn Brooks.

7447
08:31:16,000 --> 08:31:20,000
Okay. From my list, we had a Q-Mart, which I think didn't have three votes, correct.

7448
08:31:20,000 --> 08:31:23,000
But how heard two of it in here, three of these? Is there 3 votes for that or not?

7449
08:31:23,000 --> 08:31:25,000
No. No. Yeah. No. No.

7450
08:31:25,000 --> 08:31:29,000
Then there was villages? No. No.

7451
08:31:31,000 --> 08:31:36,000
It's on the, it's on the, it's on the, it's not, it's gonna happen, it's probably scenario be.

7452
08:31:36,000 --> 08:31:38,000
We can go maybe. We don't have to just rise.

7453
08:31:38,000 --> 08:31:40,000
Yes, I guess.

7454
08:31:40,000 --> 08:31:48,340
Rod, yes, no, maybe. Nope. Okay, and then Carl Bird. Yeah, well,

7455
08:31:48,340 --> 08:31:52,740
folks. No, no, I'm, I'm going, just go ahead and I was sorry. Carl,

7456
08:31:52,740 --> 08:31:57,260
folks was an online list, so the Carl Bird was the last one. Does it have three,

7457
08:31:57,260 --> 08:32:03,140
three possibilities, or is it got? No. No. Okay, next was the Oaks. I think it

7458
08:32:03,140 --> 08:32:09,220
have three. Did it, where were the three? Yes, you know, that matrix was really

7459
08:32:09,220 --> 08:32:15,860
handy that you had it before RT. Okay, so the Oaks is on. We get the matrix back up

7460
08:32:15,860 --> 08:32:23,940
again. Please. So then we can see it. Everybody can see it. Sorry, I lost the place and

7461
08:32:23,940 --> 08:32:27,140
when I started this slide to start it from the first slide, so we're trying to find it.

7462
08:32:27,140 --> 08:32:33,780
Okay. Okay. So, so, and you had very, very, very, very expensive. You had villages on

7463
08:32:33,780 --> 08:32:41,780
your list. Did you take it off, Rod? You said, I had it. Yes. As a possible alternate, but I mean,

7464
08:32:41,780 --> 08:32:46,700
that's not, that wasn't my first choice. We were at, I'm not, I'm not, I'm trying to do a sort

7465
08:32:46,700 --> 08:32:50,940
out the ones that are gone, and we have less to talk about. Okay. Is it, can we get a bigger view

7466
08:32:50,940 --> 08:32:59,260
that or no? What kind of code? What? We just want the list. Okay. So Oaks had three, correct?

7467
08:32:59,260 --> 08:33:11,980
Right. Now, Oco has three, Hampton says three, Glenbrook's had three. I think so. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

7468
08:33:11,980 --> 08:33:18,220
Which, did Marina had three? No. Mm. Was there another way? I thought,

7469
08:33:18,220 --> 08:33:24,020
Aaron had Glenbrook in scenario A, you know? Did. Yes. Glenbrook had three. So this thing, that's

7470
08:33:24,020 --> 08:33:29,260
right. Yeah. Did Barry Swenson have three? Yeah. Barry Swenson had three. Yeah. Yeah. That's

7471
08:33:29,260 --> 08:33:36,060
in had no greater. All right. Well, I'm not crazy about that one. It's not a big number either way. I

7472
08:33:36,060 --> 08:33:41,500
actually think Barry Swenson is kind of a small housing site, but it's a better office building site, personally.

7473
08:33:41,980 --> 08:33:47,100
If it, if it, if it helps us make ours, it's not going to matter. It's not going to matter.

7474
08:33:47,100 --> 08:33:52,060
It also does. I have a 10 house service. I love market rate. Well, no. That's actually.

7475
08:33:52,060 --> 08:33:57,660
And if there's three of you, it doesn't. My opinion doesn't matter. Yeah. That's 11. I think that's it.

7476
08:33:58,620 --> 08:34:08,540
So those four. Yeah. Making an arrow. Okay. Whatever. Two. So Oaks, three. Valko, Hampton, Glenbrook. Five.

7477
08:34:08,540 --> 08:34:18,780
That's five. Yeah. That's five. Okay. Now, what's the maximum of each? Okay. So the, so the,

7478
08:34:20,460 --> 08:34:30,860
I don't know, Hampton's. May I? Just peel. How did you get from 7.48 to 7.50 on the Hampton's?

7479
08:34:31,820 --> 08:34:34,940
It was rounded. Yeah. We do.

7480
08:34:38,060 --> 08:34:43,420
It's rounded off. Okay. It is 7.48. The real max on the Hampton's or is it 7.50.

7481
08:34:44,860 --> 08:34:53,420
We don't want to be off by a little bit. They're letter requested 7.48. I thought it was 8.20 that we studied. No.

7482
08:34:54,700 --> 08:34:59,500
We did make. Make it 7.48. Make it 7.48. I mean, I don't know.

7483
08:35:01,820 --> 08:35:02,460
Please.

7484
08:35:05,260 --> 08:35:11,260
So Gilbert's over there that his bottom numbers, like 15, 16, something like that. Right.

7485
08:35:13,660 --> 08:35:18,300
So by the way, if you give 7.48 to the Hampton's in 600 to Valko, you got 13.48.

7486
08:35:20,380 --> 08:35:24,700
Which meets the housing requirements. So after that, you want to do the scenario B.

7487
08:35:24,700 --> 08:35:35,100
Well, that's why. What? That's why we didn't give 7.48 to the Hampton. That's why I didn't give 7.48 to Hampton.

7488
08:35:35,100 --> 08:35:38,220
Because I didn't want, I knew we had to spread something around.

7489
08:35:39,820 --> 08:35:45,820
I mean, that's the, that's the, that's the, the Le Mans man. I want Valko to succeed. I want the Hampton to succeed

7490
08:35:45,820 --> 08:35:52,620
for, for different reasons, but for good city reasons. And we, and we can't, but it all there are

7491
08:35:52,620 --> 08:35:56,780
notes to sites. I mean, it's my understanding. We need at least some other sites on there. So

7492
08:35:58,140 --> 08:36:05,660
we're, we're kind of strategy. Yeah. We need five sites. Ideally six, but so we, so we have five.

7493
08:36:05,660 --> 08:36:10,780
Right. Valko, Clint Brooks, very Swenson Oaks. Right. Okay.

7494
08:36:12,460 --> 08:36:21,260
And with scenario B, we also have some alternatives to look at. Yes, there would be, I'm open to

7495
08:36:22,620 --> 08:36:39,580
Yeah. Right. So we need a third.

7496
08:36:43,580 --> 08:36:51,100
You know, but so question for staff is that if we were to continue it to Wednesday and then maybe

7497
08:36:51,740 --> 08:36:56,860
Tuesday make the, the findings that would just push everything out by one week.

7498
08:36:56,860 --> 08:37:01,100
What, what, what, what, what, what, what, the things, yeah, what's going to happen between things are going to go like Wednesday.

7499
08:37:01,100 --> 08:37:06,060
It's just a question. I mean, it's kind of a question. I just want to question. I just want to go ahead.

7500
08:37:07,260 --> 08:37:17,580
I just want to go ahead. I just want to go ahead. If we, if we continue to Wednesday and then what, and then it was the scenario could we can't approve it at the same time.

7501
08:37:18,220 --> 08:37:34,460
Right. The staff are so many. They think it's going to take a few days at least to draft redraft the findings. So we want to take a final action, the probability team, which is what a week from absolutely like our regular, regular next next Tuesday.

7502
08:37:35,580 --> 08:37:40,220
And I'm very supposed to be like, Tahoe, so I'm not inclined to come back on Thursday.

7503
08:37:41,180 --> 08:37:43,580
Okay, I'm always just suggesting again on our.

7504
08:37:44,780 --> 08:37:49,260
We're still, so Rod and I are both the scenario a of.

7505
08:37:50,460 --> 08:37:51,500
You should be again, please.

7506
08:37:51,500 --> 08:37:53,340
Fifth is right there. 50.

7507
08:37:54,780 --> 08:37:55,660
50.

7508
08:37:55,660 --> 08:37:56,700
5.82.

7509
08:37:58,140 --> 08:37:59,180
6.50.

7510
08:37:59,180 --> 08:38:00,860
11.93.

7511
08:38:04,140 --> 08:38:06,540
And yeah, we can cut Valko down the, uh,

7512
08:38:07,420 --> 08:38:14,460
550 or something like that. Even 500 that buys us something here, but it doesn't buy you Maria's just too big a number day. I did there.

7513
08:38:14,460 --> 08:38:17,100
Just like, choose up the other rest of it.

7514
08:38:19,740 --> 08:38:25,740
So that's, that's real close to the number. Um, I also think, you know,

7515
08:38:26,940 --> 08:38:31,580
Marina is more or less in the middle of the city, and I, I wouldn't mind waiting it further west.

7516
08:38:36,540 --> 08:38:56,540
So if you wanted to put, um, the Hampton's Valko Glenbrook's, very swims in the Oaks, we make it.

7517
08:38:56,540 --> 08:38:59,980
There's enough, there's enough to make the, the number we need.

7518
08:38:59,980 --> 08:39:05,340
And if you want to drop 600 from Valko, not that I'm going to make my pitch, but I'm going to make it,

7519
08:39:05,420 --> 08:39:12,700
the villages in Karlberg would give us enough to get, to, to we just, yeah, if you want to take the, um,

7520
08:39:14,860 --> 08:39:21,020
come open to, a lot of different discussions on scenario V. So yeah, Falko drops,

7521
08:39:23,980 --> 08:39:30,140
I understand the benefit of the Karlberg property, having put it in the last time.

7522
08:39:32,140 --> 08:39:34,700
Yeah, I didn't pick it last night. I inside it was a good choice.

7523
08:39:35,660 --> 08:39:37,740
It has some specific benefits. Yeah.

7524
08:39:43,180 --> 08:39:48,380
So if we can pick the first five, and we can, you guys can tweak the numbers to whatever makes you happy.

7525
08:39:48,380 --> 08:39:54,460
And then if you want to pull out Valko, we'd have to have that, so you can put the other two in and then you'd make it.

7526
08:39:57,340 --> 08:40:01,740
Actually, you would make it with just adding the Karlberg property, if you didn't want to add the villages.

7527
08:40:02,140 --> 08:40:02,540
No.

7528
08:40:03,340 --> 08:40:10,540
So you could just add, you could take the five, and you could swap out Valko for Karlberg property,

7529
08:40:11,100 --> 08:40:14,300
but you'd barely make it. You took out zero to Valko.

7530
08:40:15,020 --> 08:40:21,340
Yeah, but I think the difference is, I still want enough in for the Oaks on scenario B.

7531
08:40:23,820 --> 08:40:28,940
Is the Oaks still up here yet? No, I already had the Oaks. I had it in an A.

7532
08:40:28,940 --> 08:40:30,700
Oh, so you have it instead of Marina?

7533
08:40:31,500 --> 08:40:38,140
The Karlberg. Okay, and A in A, and A, what you guys had three votes for was the Hampton's Valko, Glenbrook's,

7534
08:40:38,140 --> 08:40:42,140
Barry Swinson in the Oaks. Yes. That gets you over the limit if all those fly.

7535
08:40:42,540 --> 08:40:46,060
So the question is, if you want a scenario B that says, is it over the limit?

7536
08:40:46,060 --> 08:40:50,620
You know, it's over the required amount. No, it's not. No, it's right here, it's scenario A.

7537
08:40:52,060 --> 08:40:53,500
Because we've got the Oaks at 50.

7538
08:40:55,900 --> 08:40:57,500
Okay, sorry. I had

7539
08:40:58,460 --> 08:41:05,820
Maybe, okay. I play with what I put in, what I put in was I put in 748 for the Hampton 600 for Valko, 93 for Glenbrook 11.

7540
08:41:05,820 --> 08:41:10,780
Right. Right. Swinson, you can put in whatever you want for the Oaks. Right. Well, we've got to have enough units.

7541
08:41:10,780 --> 08:41:16,300
Yeah, if you put 748 for the Hampton's and 600 for Valko, you're there. You're already there.

7542
08:41:16,300 --> 08:41:21,980
But no, right. So what I'm saying is those five easily make the required number.

7543
08:41:22,060 --> 08:41:25,740
Oh, yeah. You could tell you with the numbers until you're there. If you want to take out

7544
08:41:26,780 --> 08:41:34,060
Valko, then you could add in for the fifth one Carlberg and there's plenty of numbers there to play with.

7545
08:41:34,060 --> 08:41:36,700
And we can redo the numbers and it's done so good. Okay.

7546
08:41:38,700 --> 08:41:39,580
Instead of Marina.

7547
08:41:41,500 --> 08:41:45,900
You may, I don't know if you made an additional Marina or we'd have to look at that scenario B.

7548
08:41:45,900 --> 08:41:53,900
Or would it be Carlberg plus villages to equal, to be Carlberg plus.

7549
08:41:53,900 --> 08:41:59,820
Like in our scenario B. No, we have 232. You could do Carlberg plus villages to make it.

7550
08:42:00,540 --> 08:42:05,420
Or you could, you could, you could barely make it without villages, but it's easier to make it with villages.

7551
08:42:06,220 --> 08:42:13,900
You can, you can get over the thousand and two. You get like 1126 if you put in Carlberg and you make all the numbers.

7552
08:42:13,900 --> 08:42:21,260
I, I think, I mean, to me, the right thing is to try to get 1386 in either scenario. So

7553
08:42:23,660 --> 08:42:29,900
is there something they can throw in for A and B that would include, um, I mean, something in number A that would include, uh,

7554
08:42:29,900 --> 08:42:32,780
Marina to win my vote. There's no way to have it in there.

7555
08:42:34,220 --> 08:42:40,620
It still have any, and you know, Valko needs close to close to 600 if the hamps is 650 and that's

7556
08:42:40,620 --> 08:42:43,020
shaving a hundred off from where they asked for.

7557
08:42:43,980 --> 08:42:49,580
Said receive the 93, 11 and 50, um, I'll go for that if you throw that into Marina.

7558
08:42:50,460 --> 08:42:55,420
No, it takes three sites away. What number did you want? 1389 for some reason?

7559
08:42:55,420 --> 08:42:58,220
I've, you guys, I'm sorry, I remember. Get off the Marina thing.

7560
08:43:00,140 --> 08:43:07,420
I think they're, we need great guys. We need minimum, I'm not excited to try. We're, we're pushing it with five. Okay.

7561
08:43:07,500 --> 08:43:11,500
I don't think we can do less. Here you go. Ready? Yep. Yeah, five sites.

7562
08:43:12,220 --> 08:43:20,540
600 for Valko. 93 for Glenbrook. 11 for Barry Swenson. 50 for the Oaks and at least 735 for the

7563
08:43:20,540 --> 08:43:28,220
mountains. We could put it up down there. Let's put it down there. Yeah, what you guys wanted. That gives you,

7564
08:43:28,220 --> 08:43:35,820
I think the right number. I think it's got to go out too much, right? Yeah.

7565
08:43:38,380 --> 08:43:41,100
This is your scenario. 1389 is not the number you want.

7566
08:43:42,860 --> 08:43:50,140
I want 1386. Oh, they sit 1389. No. Okay, so take three off of anybody.

7567
08:43:50,140 --> 08:43:53,420
We want to take it off of. So how do you?

7568
08:43:55,420 --> 08:44:01,740
How are you going? I'm going up and half. That adds up in March. Well, 40 you got to, you got an air. That's up to

7569
08:44:01,740 --> 08:44:10,940
more than 1386. What do you want to add up to? 1386. If you, there's my 1386, right? 1386.

7570
08:44:10,940 --> 08:44:19,260
You got your numbers all along and it's only 1286. Oh, we're not summinous. This is not a sum formula in here.

7571
08:44:22,940 --> 08:44:26,300
Oh, it's powerful. Oh, then, okay. Break out the calculators. Yeah.

7572
08:44:26,860 --> 08:44:37,660
So what, what would March's number be? What do you need nine? I can limit that.

7573
08:44:40,380 --> 08:44:49,820
100, 100 and three more than we need to. I've got 600 for Valko, 93 for Glenbooks, right? Yeah, 11 for

7574
08:44:49,820 --> 08:44:54,780
Barry Swenson. Actually, I think we're the same if you take the Hampton's down of a 650.

7575
08:44:55,900 --> 08:44:58,620
Yeah, the Hampton's would have to be 632 then.

7576
08:45:00,000 --> 08:45:07,000
That's shaving a little more than I would shave it. Okay, so we shave alcohol or something.

7577
08:45:07,000 --> 08:45:11,000
Or you can give the 50 from, well you want, you guys want that, this many in there. So,

7578
08:45:11,000 --> 08:45:18,000
Okay, so try shave off the villages. Mark, I think you're getting close. So do 550 for Valco.

7579
08:45:18,000 --> 08:45:25,000
Why don't we, why don't we, why don't we start with the Hamptons? Do we need to 748 or is there?

7580
08:45:25,000 --> 08:45:28,000
I think what number makes that?

7581
08:45:28,000 --> 08:45:43,000
I propose 650. I mean, that's, you know, they're, they're going to say yes or no, but that's just my educated quasi educated.

7582
08:45:43,000 --> 08:45:50,000
I mean, you know, you know, again, they ask for 748, but they're not going to get by with 300 either.

7583
08:45:59,000 --> 08:46:07,000
All right, so if you wanted to go, you want to go 650 for the Hamptons, 600 for Valco.

7584
08:46:07,000 --> 08:46:11,000
If you just did the other three numbers, you're just over by a little bit.

7585
08:46:11,000 --> 08:46:13,000
Right, that's just a little bit.

7586
08:46:13,000 --> 08:46:16,000
That's 1250 plus 154.

7587
08:46:16,000 --> 08:46:18,000
Let's see what that adds up to, right?

7588
08:46:18,000 --> 08:46:21,000
131404.

7589
08:46:21,000 --> 08:46:23,000
I'm good with that.

7590
08:46:23,000 --> 08:46:27,000
You still, you still, you still, I'm good with that, but this is the one we put it on the on the screen.

7591
08:46:27,000 --> 08:46:29,000
Please, you still on the village there.

7592
08:46:29,000 --> 08:46:33,000
No, the village isn't in the scenario. The village shows up if we.

7593
08:46:33,000 --> 08:46:36,000
The village is, you know what's in there with zero doubt?

7594
08:46:36,000 --> 08:46:38,000
Oh, you, you have to do not in your scenario?

7595
08:46:38,000 --> 08:46:39,000
No, you don't.

7596
08:46:39,000 --> 08:46:41,000
Okay, A. Let me try this again.

7597
08:46:41,000 --> 08:46:42,000
Right, right.

7598
08:46:42,000 --> 08:46:44,000
The places that all had three votes were the Hamptons.

7599
08:46:44,000 --> 08:46:48,000
Valco, Glenbrook, Barry Swenson, Oaks.

7600
08:46:48,000 --> 08:46:50,000
Okay, so you can play those numbers.

7601
08:46:50,000 --> 08:46:53,000
That's 650 and 500, you can adjust the rest.

7602
08:46:53,000 --> 08:46:56,000
So the, is the 1404 number good now?

7603
08:46:56,000 --> 08:47:01,000
Well, or you can take a few away from Glenbrook's or the Oaks or I guess I switched.

7604
08:47:01,000 --> 08:47:07,000
Right, I, I, I was interested in getting down to 1386, so the only difference now between the scenario.

7605
08:47:07,000 --> 08:47:16,000
You just talked about at 1404 and, and mine was, which I guess was orange originally was that we shaved.

7606
08:47:16,000 --> 08:47:23,000
I'm, I'm okay with that too. Shaved, um, 18 half of Valco to make it 582 instead of 600.

7607
08:47:23,000 --> 08:47:24,000
Fine.

7608
08:47:24,000 --> 08:47:35,000
So, I mean, I think that you should shave it off of Glenbrook because I mean, we want the Dockle and Hamptons to seed.

7609
08:47:35,000 --> 08:47:37,000
That's okay, too, because it's a boy.

7610
08:47:37,000 --> 08:47:38,000
Yeah.

7611
08:47:38,000 --> 08:47:41,000
So what you're saying is you should shave it off Glenbrook.

7612
08:47:41,000 --> 08:47:42,000
Yes.

7613
08:47:42,000 --> 08:47:43,000
Okay.

7614
08:47:43,000 --> 08:47:44,000
I'm okay with that.

7615
08:47:44,000 --> 08:47:46,000
So, yes.

7616
08:47:48,000 --> 08:47:49,000
Okay.

7617
08:47:49,000 --> 08:47:54,000
So what she's doing with Glenbrook is, um, make Glenbrook.

7618
08:47:54,000 --> 08:47:58,000
And it takes 16 off of them or something.

7619
08:47:58,000 --> 08:48:00,000
Something like that, yeah.

7620
08:48:00,000 --> 08:48:02,000
Well, 18.

7621
08:48:02,000 --> 08:48:03,000
Yeah.

7622
08:48:03,000 --> 08:48:07,000
You want, you want to have Valco, you, you, you, it's important to buckle maxed out at 600.

7623
08:48:07,000 --> 08:48:08,000
Yes.

7624
08:48:08,000 --> 08:48:10,000
Well, we don't know.

7625
08:48:10,000 --> 08:48:11,000
Okay.

7626
08:48:11,000 --> 08:48:15,000
I'm going to leave it at 582 that went out to redo the math and work like in the morning.

7627
08:48:15,000 --> 08:48:17,000
Let's go with the original plan.

7628
08:48:17,000 --> 08:48:20,000
I'm okay with the original plan.

7629
08:48:20,000 --> 08:48:21,000
Yeah.

7630
08:48:21,000 --> 08:48:22,000
That's okay.

7631
08:48:22,000 --> 08:48:23,000
Okay.

7632
08:48:23,000 --> 08:48:24,000
I'm going to go with the 582.

7633
08:48:24,000 --> 08:48:26,000
I'm going to give you some more information.

7634
08:48:26,000 --> 08:48:28,000
But you want the plan B.

7635
08:48:28,000 --> 08:48:29,000
You're selling the plan B.

7636
08:48:29,000 --> 08:48:30,000
Oh, okay.

7637
08:48:30,000 --> 08:48:31,000
Yeah.

7638
08:48:31,000 --> 08:48:32,000
I'm going with the plan B.

7639
08:48:32,000 --> 08:48:33,000
So, back up to plan A.

7640
08:48:33,000 --> 08:48:35,000
So, do we want 1386 or 1404?

7641
08:48:35,000 --> 08:48:36,000
No, 1386.

7642
08:48:36,000 --> 08:48:39,000
We're going right with the 582 at Valco.

7643
08:48:39,000 --> 08:48:41,000
We'll plan B for plan B.

7644
08:48:41,000 --> 08:48:42,000
I was okay.

7645
08:48:42,000 --> 08:48:44,000
I mean, this is the plan I've done for.

7646
08:48:44,000 --> 08:48:46,000
Well, this is, I thought this was planning.

7647
08:48:46,000 --> 08:48:47,000
Yeah.

7648
08:48:47,000 --> 08:48:48,000
This was planning.

7649
08:48:48,000 --> 08:48:49,000
And then this is plan B.

7650
08:48:49,000 --> 08:48:50,000
650.

7651
08:48:50,000 --> 08:48:51,000
We need to.

7652
08:48:51,000 --> 08:48:53,000
Well, we're going to, we're still working on plan 83.

7653
08:48:53,000 --> 08:48:55,000
Well, I'm okay with this plan B.

7654
08:48:55,000 --> 08:48:57,000
Are you okay with plan A, though?

7655
08:48:57,000 --> 08:48:58,000
Yes.

7656
08:48:58,000 --> 08:48:59,000
I'm okay with plan A.

7657
08:48:59,000 --> 08:49:00,000
All right.

7658
08:49:00,000 --> 08:49:03,000
If you're okay with plan B.

7659
08:49:03,000 --> 08:49:05,000
So, your, your plan B would be,

7660
08:49:05,000 --> 08:49:07,000
No, I'm not okay with plan B.

7661
08:49:08,000 --> 08:49:09,000
This one.

7662
08:49:09,000 --> 08:49:10,000
This is plan A.

7663
08:49:10,000 --> 08:49:11,000
This is plan B.

7664
08:49:11,000 --> 08:49:12,000
This is plan B.

7665
08:49:12,000 --> 08:49:13,000
And I'm done.

7666
08:49:13,000 --> 08:49:15,000
No, you're back to the plan B.

7667
08:49:15,000 --> 08:49:17,000
We're going to put in.

7668
08:49:17,000 --> 08:49:18,000
Well, we think.

7669
08:49:18,000 --> 08:49:19,000
I think.

7670
08:49:19,000 --> 08:49:20,000
Or a not marina.

7671
08:49:20,000 --> 08:49:21,000
I think or run.

7672
08:49:21,000 --> 08:49:22,000
I will.

7673
08:49:22,000 --> 08:49:23,000
We're okay with these two circles.

7674
08:49:23,000 --> 08:49:24,000
So, this would be A.

7675
08:49:24,000 --> 08:49:25,000
Okay.

7676
08:49:25,000 --> 08:49:26,000
You're.

7677
08:49:26,000 --> 08:49:27,000
You're.

7678
08:49:27,000 --> 08:49:28,000
You're basically.

7679
08:49:28,000 --> 08:49:29,000
Three of us are okay with.

7680
08:49:29,000 --> 08:49:30,000
Carl Berg.

7681
08:49:30,000 --> 08:49:32,000
And you just put in marina circle it.

7682
08:49:32,000 --> 08:49:33,000
But I think.

7683
08:49:33,000 --> 08:49:36,000
Three of us prefer Carl Berg over marina.

7684
08:49:37,000 --> 08:49:38,000
Hmm.

7685
08:49:38,000 --> 08:49:39,000
Hmm.

7686
08:49:39,000 --> 08:49:40,000
Who was a third one?

7687
08:49:40,000 --> 08:49:42,000
And it was you Rod and I.

7688
08:49:42,000 --> 08:49:43,000
He's to want a marina.

7689
08:49:43,000 --> 08:49:44,000
Rod doesn't.

7690
08:49:44,000 --> 08:49:45,000
I was willing to entertain it.

7691
08:49:45,000 --> 08:49:46,000
I mean, I was willing to entertain it.

7692
08:49:46,000 --> 08:49:47,000
I'm.

7693
08:49:47,000 --> 08:49:48,000
In the interest of.

7694
08:49:48,000 --> 08:49:50,000
How big is Berg?

7695
08:49:50,000 --> 08:49:51,000
It's called a night one.

7696
08:49:51,000 --> 08:49:52,000
Yeah.

7697
08:49:52,000 --> 08:49:53,000
Yep.

7698
08:49:53,000 --> 08:49:54,000
In the interest of.

7699
08:49:54,000 --> 08:49:57,000
Of getting agreement on scenario.

7700
08:49:57,000 --> 08:49:59,000
I'm agree on that scenario.

7701
08:49:59,000 --> 08:50:00,000
Be.

7702
08:50:00,000 --> 08:50:02,000
Thought we already had agreement on scenario.

7703
08:50:02,000 --> 08:50:03,000
I know.

7704
08:50:03,000 --> 08:50:04,000
It was some.

7705
08:50:04,000 --> 08:50:05,000
I can pinch a night.

7706
08:50:05,000 --> 08:50:06,000
It's.

7707
08:50:06,000 --> 08:50:07,000
Correct.

7708
08:50:07,000 --> 08:50:08,000
No.

7709
08:50:08,000 --> 08:50:09,000
And it's four to one.

7710
08:50:09,000 --> 08:50:11,000
It's going to be four to one on B if you want marina.

7711
08:50:11,000 --> 08:50:12,000
So.

7712
08:50:12,000 --> 08:50:13,000
Be's not going to fly.

7713
08:50:13,000 --> 08:50:14,000
Little B's going to fly.

7714
08:50:14,000 --> 08:50:15,000
Well, B's going to fly.

7715
08:50:15,000 --> 08:50:18,000
Well, why do you think A was contingent?

7716
08:50:18,000 --> 08:50:19,000
Because of Gilbert's one.

7717
08:50:19,000 --> 08:50:20,000
No, though.

7718
08:50:20,000 --> 08:50:21,000
Yeah.

7719
08:50:21,000 --> 08:50:22,000
Four to one.

7720
08:50:22,000 --> 08:50:23,000
You think B's going to be five.

7721
08:50:23,000 --> 08:50:24,000
Oh.

7722
08:50:24,000 --> 08:50:25,000
With marina.

7723
08:50:25,000 --> 08:50:26,000
I don't think.

7724
08:50:26,000 --> 08:50:27,000
There's three.

7725
08:50:27,000 --> 08:50:28,000
And we're looking for three.

7726
08:50:28,000 --> 08:50:29,000
And we're.

7727
08:50:29,000 --> 08:50:30,000
And all these things.

7728
08:50:30,000 --> 08:50:31,000
We're looking for three.

7729
08:50:31,000 --> 08:50:32,000
Three.

7730
08:50:32,000 --> 08:50:32,500
Correct.

7731
08:50:32,500 --> 08:50:34,500
Well, so you have at least four on A the way it sits.

7732
08:50:34,500 --> 08:50:35,500
It's my point.

7733
08:50:35,500 --> 08:50:36,500
You certainly have three.

7734
08:50:36,500 --> 08:50:41,500
Yes, I don't have three on A without Gilbert.

7735
08:50:41,500 --> 08:50:42,500
Correct.

7736
08:50:42,500 --> 08:50:43,500
Oh, what do I do?

7737
08:50:43,500 --> 08:50:44,500
Because you're.

7738
08:50:44,500 --> 08:50:46,500
You're good on A.

7739
08:50:46,500 --> 08:50:47,500
No, Barry's not good on A.

7740
08:50:47,500 --> 08:50:48,500
You're good on A now.

7741
08:50:48,500 --> 08:50:49,500
Martin.

7742
08:50:49,500 --> 08:50:50,500
No.

7743
08:50:50,500 --> 08:50:51,500
You're not good on A.

7744
08:50:51,500 --> 08:50:52,500
No, he's not good on A.

7745
08:50:52,500 --> 08:50:53,500
Mark.

7746
08:50:53,500 --> 08:50:54,500
Mark.

7747
08:50:54,500 --> 08:50:55,500
I'm good.

7748
08:50:55,500 --> 08:50:56,500
I'm good.

7749
08:50:56,500 --> 08:50:57,500
I'm good.

7750
08:50:57,500 --> 08:50:58,500
I'm good.

7751
08:50:58,500 --> 08:50:59,500
My.

7752
08:50:59,500 --> 08:51:00,500
Okay.

7753
08:51:00,500 --> 08:51:01,500
Mark.

7754
08:51:02,500 --> 08:51:03,500
Mark, you're good on A.

7755
08:51:03,500 --> 08:51:04,500
And you have a different B.

7756
08:51:04,500 --> 08:51:05,500
Can we.

7757
08:51:05,500 --> 08:51:06,500
Can we.

7758
08:51:06,500 --> 08:51:07,500
Scoot that over a little bit.

7759
08:51:07,500 --> 08:51:08,500
It's like I see.

7760
08:51:08,500 --> 08:51:10,500
We're going to the side of my screen.

7761
08:51:10,500 --> 08:51:11,500
So.

7762
08:51:11,500 --> 08:51:12,500
Okay.

7763
08:51:12,500 --> 08:51:13,500
Right now in this.

7764
08:51:13,500 --> 08:51:14,500
What's called.

7765
08:51:14,500 --> 08:51:15,500
Mahoney scenario.

7766
08:51:15,500 --> 08:51:16,500
Which is just a column at this point.

7767
08:51:16,500 --> 08:51:17,500
I'm getting 13.

7768
08:51:17,500 --> 08:51:18,500
18.

7769
08:51:18,500 --> 08:51:20,500
Because if we put Carl Bergen.

7770
08:51:20,500 --> 08:51:22,500
And only one.

7771
08:51:22,500 --> 08:51:23,500
69.

7772
08:51:23,500 --> 08:51:24,500
We don't get to our.

7773
08:51:24,500 --> 08:51:25,500
13.

7774
08:51:25,500 --> 08:51:26,500
86.

7775
08:51:26,500 --> 08:51:27,500
We're.

7776
08:51:27,500 --> 08:51:28,500
Did you start by.

7777
08:51:28,500 --> 08:51:29,500
86.

7778
08:51:29,500 --> 08:51:30,500
That's why I want to get to 13.

7779
08:51:30,500 --> 08:51:31,500
1380.

7780
08:51:31,500 --> 08:51:32,500
So Bergen villages get you there.

7781
08:51:32,500 --> 08:51:33,500
I believe.

7782
08:51:33,500 --> 08:51:36,500
Well, if I had it.

7783
08:51:36,500 --> 08:51:38,500
If I had it, this column.

7784
08:51:38,500 --> 08:51:39,500
If I had it.

7785
08:51:39,500 --> 08:51:40,500
If I had it.

7786
08:51:40,500 --> 08:51:41,500
If I had it.

7787
08:51:41,500 --> 08:51:42,500
If you talk about.

7788
08:51:42,500 --> 08:51:43,500
Fine.

7789
08:51:43,500 --> 08:51:44,500
Getting 13.

7790
08:51:44,500 --> 08:51:45,500
18.

7791
08:51:45,500 --> 08:51:46,500
Rather than 13.

7792
08:51:46,500 --> 08:51:47,500
81.

7793
08:51:47,500 --> 08:51:49,500
Oh, that's a different number.

7794
08:51:49,500 --> 08:51:50,500
In other words.

7795
08:51:50,500 --> 08:51:53,500
Well, let me.

7796
08:51:53,500 --> 08:51:55,500
Let me try again.

7797
08:51:55,500 --> 08:51:57,500
2 35.

7798
08:51:57,500 --> 08:51:58,500
11.

7799
08:51:58,500 --> 08:51:59,500
11.

7800
08:51:59,500 --> 08:52:00,500
11.

7801
08:52:00,500 --> 08:52:01,500
11.

7802
08:52:01,500 --> 08:52:03,500
I just wanted to point out that.

7803
08:52:03,500 --> 08:52:04,500
I'm per your discussion.

7804
08:52:04,500 --> 08:52:07,500
I was updating to take Marina off and adding Carl Bergen.

7805
08:52:07,500 --> 08:52:09,500
But I did not update the total.

7806
08:52:09,500 --> 08:52:10,500
Yeah.

7807
08:52:10,500 --> 08:52:11,500
He's updating.

7808
08:52:11,500 --> 08:52:12,500
Correct.

7809
08:52:12,500 --> 08:52:17,500
So in this column that I've highlighted in red here, I get 1318.

7810
08:52:17,500 --> 08:52:18,500
We are.

7811
08:52:18,500 --> 08:52:19,500
60ish.

7812
08:52:19,500 --> 08:52:20,500
Short.

7813
08:52:20,500 --> 08:52:24,500
What should we do?

7814
08:52:24,500 --> 08:52:27,500
We're still way over what we actually require.

7815
08:52:27,500 --> 08:52:28,500
And that is planned.

7816
08:52:29,500 --> 08:52:32,500
You need to put that on a new column because of it.

7817
08:52:32,500 --> 08:52:34,500
We have an A and B that we're given.

7818
08:52:34,500 --> 08:52:36,500
I think they'll take.

7819
08:52:36,500 --> 08:52:37,500
I think we're.

7820
08:52:37,500 --> 08:52:38,500
I'm going to make a motion.

7821
08:52:38,500 --> 08:52:39,500
Yeah.

7822
08:52:39,500 --> 08:52:41,500
Make the motion.

7823
08:52:41,500 --> 08:52:42,500
Okay.

7824
08:52:42,500 --> 08:52:49,500
The motion we'd like to hear is that you instruct staff to draft the findings to confirm the

7825
08:52:49,500 --> 08:52:50,500
water.

7826
08:52:50,500 --> 08:52:51,500
Yeah.

7827
08:52:51,500 --> 08:52:52,500
Okay.

7828
08:52:52,500 --> 08:52:54,500
But the rest of the motion can be motion.

7829
08:52:54,500 --> 08:52:55,500
Real motion.

7830
08:52:55,500 --> 08:52:56,500
No, no.

7831
08:52:56,500 --> 08:52:57,500
Okay.

7832
08:52:57,500 --> 08:52:59,500
So I move that we.

7833
08:52:59,500 --> 08:53:00,500
Let me look at this.

7834
08:53:00,500 --> 08:53:03,500
I move that we instruct staff to.

7835
08:53:03,500 --> 08:53:06,500
Take the next necessary steps to confirm.

7836
08:53:06,500 --> 08:53:08,500
To what?

7837
08:53:08,500 --> 08:53:11,500
To implement the following.

7838
08:53:11,500 --> 08:53:14,500
And update to the general plan amendment.

7839
08:53:14,500 --> 08:53:17,500
That would have.

7840
08:53:17,500 --> 08:53:20,500
An office allocation of a total of.

7841
08:53:20,500 --> 08:53:33,500
3040 for the major.

7842
08:53:33,500 --> 08:53:36,500
Off operation.

7843
08:53:36,500 --> 08:53:41,500
Two million for Boko contingent on a specific plan.

7844
08:53:41,500 --> 08:53:46,500
And 500,000 for the rest of the city.

7845
08:53:46,500 --> 08:53:51,500
That would be 1339.

7846
08:53:51,500 --> 08:53:56,500
Housing and be 1386 with.

7847
08:53:56,500 --> 08:53:59,500
The two scenarios that we just discussed.

7848
08:53:59,500 --> 08:54:01,500
Which scenario be here?

7849
08:54:01,500 --> 08:54:02,500
We have.

7850
08:54:02,500 --> 08:54:03,500
It was the other scenario.

7851
08:54:03,500 --> 08:54:04,500
Thank you.

7852
08:54:04,500 --> 08:54:07,500
Moving for the one that says Mahoney by it.

7853
08:54:07,500 --> 08:54:09,500
I think it's this.

7854
08:54:09,500 --> 08:54:11,500
I think it's this one.

7855
08:54:11,500 --> 08:54:12,500
Yeah.

7856
08:54:13,500 --> 08:54:14,500
Well, how many.

7857
08:54:14,500 --> 08:54:16,500
How many votes do we have for B versus.

7858
08:54:16,500 --> 08:54:18,500
How many votes do we have for Mahoney.

7859
08:54:18,500 --> 08:54:19,500
What's on this list.

7860
08:54:19,500 --> 08:54:23,500
So Mahoney B versus things being out that that's how it started.

7861
08:54:23,500 --> 08:54:24,500
But.

7862
08:54:24,500 --> 08:54:27,500
And the words villages and Carl Berg versus.

7863
08:54:27,500 --> 08:54:28,500
Marina.

7864
08:54:28,500 --> 08:54:30,500
I favor Mahoney's.

7865
08:54:30,500 --> 08:54:31,500
Right.

7866
08:54:31,500 --> 08:54:33,500
I favor Marina's.

7867
08:54:33,500 --> 08:54:36,500
But you're tying up your motion with everything.

7868
08:54:36,500 --> 08:54:37,500
You want to.

7869
08:54:37,500 --> 08:54:38,500
Right.

7870
08:54:38,500 --> 08:54:40,500
What do you want to try for everything.

7871
08:54:40,500 --> 08:54:41,500
I want to try.

7872
08:54:41,500 --> 08:54:43,500
I want to get this if we get to get this done.

7873
08:54:43,500 --> 08:54:44,500
I think we're done.

7874
08:54:44,500 --> 08:54:47,500
I think your motion has all the other stuff in it.

7875
08:54:47,500 --> 08:54:48,500
Right.

7876
08:54:48,500 --> 08:54:50,500
Well, the 1386 is.

7877
08:54:50,500 --> 08:54:54,500
Do I need to say your motion you put in all the office squares all the other

7878
08:54:54,500 --> 08:54:55,500
applications.

7879
08:54:55,500 --> 08:54:56,500
Everything other than just do.

7880
08:54:56,500 --> 08:54:58,500
I want to do a thousand.

7881
08:54:58,500 --> 08:55:00,500
How's the first and then the GPA that would be a lot simpler.

7882
08:55:00,500 --> 08:55:01,500
Or.

7883
08:55:01,500 --> 08:55:02,500
Okay.

7884
08:55:02,500 --> 08:55:03,500
Let's.

7885
08:55:03,500 --> 08:55:04,500
Put the GPA first.

7886
08:55:04,500 --> 08:55:06,500
But that nobody was seconded yet anyway.

7887
08:55:06,500 --> 08:55:07,500
So put that back.

7888
08:55:07,500 --> 08:55:10,500
Back on a back burner with draw that motion.

7889
08:55:10,500 --> 08:55:11,500
So I.

7890
08:55:11,500 --> 08:55:12,500
I.

7891
08:55:12,500 --> 08:55:15,500
My motion is to instruct staff to.

7892
08:55:15,500 --> 08:55:22,500
Take all steps necessary to implement the following housing element.

7893
08:55:22,500 --> 08:55:24,500
I.

7894
08:55:24,500 --> 08:55:25,500
Yeah.

7895
08:55:25,500 --> 08:55:28,500
Yes.

7896
08:55:28,500 --> 08:55:29,500
Can you just.

7897
08:55:29,500 --> 08:55:30,500
I'm.

7898
08:55:30,500 --> 08:55:31,500
Can you just.

7899
08:55:31,500 --> 08:55:33,500
I'm.

7900
08:55:33,500 --> 08:55:34,500
I'm.

7901
08:55:34,500 --> 08:55:36,500
Can you just.

7902
08:55:36,500 --> 08:55:38,500
Circle which is be.

7903
08:55:38,500 --> 08:55:39,500
That's it's right.

7904
08:55:39,500 --> 08:55:41,500
It's these two right here.

7905
08:55:41,500 --> 08:55:42,500
A honey.

7906
08:55:42,500 --> 08:55:43,500
That's right.

7907
08:55:43,500 --> 08:55:44,500
It's that.

7908
08:55:44,500 --> 08:55:45,500
Let's see.

7909
08:55:45,500 --> 08:55:47,500
What whether we get the votes on that.

7910
08:55:47,500 --> 08:55:48,500
Can.

7911
08:55:48,500 --> 08:55:50,500
Can make a fairly amendment to.

7912
08:55:50,500 --> 08:55:51,500
Uh, sink speed.

7913
08:55:51,500 --> 08:55:52,500
Second.

7914
08:55:52,500 --> 08:55:54,500
Okay.

7915
08:55:54,500 --> 08:55:55,500
You're second.

7916
08:55:55,500 --> 08:55:56,500
The sink speed.

7917
08:55:56,500 --> 08:55:57,500
Yeah.

7918
08:55:57,500 --> 08:55:58,500
You're second and original.

7919
08:55:58,500 --> 08:56:00,500
I thought you wanted Carl Burke.

7920
08:56:00,500 --> 08:56:02,500
Yeah.

7921
08:56:02,500 --> 08:56:03,500
He just.

7922
08:56:04,500 --> 08:56:06,500
The whole motion is what's in the box.

7923
08:56:06,500 --> 08:56:07,500
Right.

7924
08:56:07,500 --> 08:56:08,500
The motion's what's in the box.

7925
08:56:08,500 --> 08:56:09,500
Which has Carl Burke on it.

7926
08:56:09,500 --> 08:56:11,500
And for Mark's second that.

7927
08:56:11,500 --> 08:56:12,500
He'll.

7928
08:56:12,500 --> 08:56:14,500
What was we going to make a friendly amendment.

7929
08:56:14,500 --> 08:56:15,500
Okay.

7930
08:56:15,500 --> 08:56:18,500
So now that motion on the table is.

7931
08:56:18,500 --> 08:56:19,500
Exactly.

7932
08:56:19,500 --> 08:56:20,500
What's in the box.

7933
08:56:20,500 --> 08:56:21,500
Yes.

7934
08:56:21,500 --> 08:56:22,500
Okay.

7935
08:56:22,500 --> 08:56:23,500
Do you.

7936
08:56:23,500 --> 08:56:24,500
Friendly.

7937
08:56:24,500 --> 08:56:25,500
Friendly.

7938
08:56:25,500 --> 08:56:26,500
Yeah.

7939
08:56:26,500 --> 08:56:27,500
Me.

7940
08:56:27,500 --> 08:56:28,500
Can we.

7941
08:56:28,500 --> 08:56:29,500
Yeah.

7942
08:56:29,500 --> 08:56:30,500
We're not.

7943
08:56:30,500 --> 08:56:31,500
Yeah.

7944
08:56:31,500 --> 08:56:32,500
Can we have the.

7945
08:56:33,500 --> 08:56:34,500
Okay.

7946
08:56:34,500 --> 08:56:35,500
So I'll put the box back.

7947
08:56:35,500 --> 08:56:37,500
So we all know what the motion was.

7948
08:56:37,500 --> 08:56:38,500
That's that right.

7949
08:56:38,500 --> 08:56:39,500
Yeah.

7950
08:56:39,500 --> 08:56:40,500
So my.

7951
08:56:40,500 --> 08:56:41,500
Friendly amendment is.

7952
08:56:41,500 --> 08:56:42,500
Is.

7953
08:56:42,500 --> 08:56:43,500
Is.

7954
08:56:43,500 --> 08:56:44,500
Sinks.

7955
08:56:44,500 --> 08:56:45,500
A and B.

7956
08:56:45,500 --> 08:56:46,500
Okay.

7957
08:56:46,500 --> 08:56:47,500
I'm.

7958
08:56:47,500 --> 08:56:48,500
I'm.

7959
08:56:48,500 --> 08:56:49,500
I'm.

7960
08:56:49,500 --> 08:56:50,500
I'm.

7961
08:56:50,500 --> 08:56:51,500
I'm.

7962
08:56:51,500 --> 08:56:53,500
Before we do that.

7963
08:56:53,500 --> 08:56:55,500
Can staff and lightness.

7964
08:56:55,500 --> 08:56:57,500
About.

7965
08:56:57,500 --> 08:56:58,500
Why.

7966
08:56:58,500 --> 08:56:59,500
Villages.

7967
08:56:59,500 --> 08:57:01,500
Carl.

7968
08:57:01,500 --> 08:57:03,500
Berg versus.

7969
08:57:03,500 --> 08:57:04,500
Ella.

7970
08:57:04,500 --> 08:57:05,500
Just.

7971
08:57:05,500 --> 08:57:06,500
Marina.

7972
08:57:06,500 --> 08:57:07,500
Could make sense.

7973
08:57:07,500 --> 08:57:08,500
And how do you feel about.

7974
08:57:08,500 --> 08:57:09,500
1318.

7975
08:57:09,500 --> 08:57:10,500
Please.

7976
08:57:10,500 --> 08:57:12,500
Regarding the 1318 number.

7977
08:57:12,500 --> 08:57:13,500
I.

7978
08:57:13,500 --> 08:57:15,500
I think we could make a case.

7979
08:57:15,500 --> 08:57:16,500
To.

7980
08:57:16,500 --> 08:57:17,500
To AC.

7981
08:57:17,500 --> 08:57:25,500
Because it would be for we'd be further along in the process at that point.

7982
08:57:25,500 --> 08:57:26,500
Right.

7983
08:57:26,500 --> 08:57:27,500
Right.

7984
08:57:27,500 --> 08:57:28,500
In terms of.

7985
08:57:28,500 --> 08:57:29,500
Carl.

7986
08:57:30,500 --> 08:57:32,500
You're going to generally impact.

7987
08:57:32,500 --> 08:57:33,500
Geansible word.

7988
08:57:33,500 --> 08:57:34,500
It's a.

7989
08:57:34,500 --> 08:57:35,500
It's a.

7990
08:57:35,500 --> 08:57:36,500
It's a.

7991
08:57:36,500 --> 08:57:38,500
It's a.

7992
08:57:38,500 --> 08:57:39,500
It's a.

7993
08:57:39,500 --> 08:57:40,500
It's been.

7994
08:57:40,500 --> 08:57:42,500
It's been studied and if the council wants to pick that.

7995
08:57:42,500 --> 08:57:44,500
That's a.

7996
08:57:44,500 --> 08:57:45,500
That's a.

7997
08:57:45,500 --> 08:57:47,500
That's a.

7998
08:57:47,500 --> 08:57:48,500
Well, car.

7999
08:57:48,500 --> 08:57:52,500
Actually sent a letter asking to stay in the housing element.

8000
08:57:52,500 --> 08:57:53,500
But they didn't.

8001
08:57:53,500 --> 08:57:54,500
Actually.

8002
08:57:54,500 --> 08:57:56,500
And it was in the last housing.

8003
08:57:56,500 --> 08:57:57,500
Well, it wasn't.

8004
08:57:57,500 --> 08:57:58,500
It's.

8005
08:57:58,500 --> 08:57:59,500
It's in a.

8006
08:57:59,500 --> 08:58:00,500
It's in a.

8007
08:58:00,500 --> 08:58:01,500
The housing element.

8008
08:58:01,500 --> 08:58:02,500
And he asked to stay in.

8009
08:58:02,500 --> 08:58:03,500
Right.

8010
08:58:03,500 --> 08:58:04,500
Yes.

8011
08:58:04,500 --> 08:58:05,500
I have reasons for picking up.

8012
08:58:05,500 --> 08:58:07,500
And I'm well aware.

8013
08:58:07,500 --> 08:58:08,500
I'm.

8014
08:58:08,500 --> 08:58:09,500
I'm.

8015
08:58:09,500 --> 08:58:10,500
That's why I'm.

8016
08:58:10,500 --> 08:58:11,500
There.

8017
08:58:11,500 --> 08:58:12,500
Yeah.

8018
08:58:12,500 --> 08:58:15,500
It doesn't make sense because you're picking sites that are not.

8019
08:58:15,500 --> 08:58:16,500
Viable versus.

8020
08:58:16,500 --> 08:58:17,500
Six.

8021
08:58:17,500 --> 08:58:18,500
Viable because it was a.

8022
08:58:18,500 --> 08:58:19,500
It's.

8023
08:58:19,500 --> 08:58:20,500
It's.

8024
08:58:20,500 --> 08:58:21,500
It's.

8025
08:58:21,500 --> 08:58:22,500
It's.

8026
08:58:22,500 --> 08:58:23,500
It's.

8027
08:58:23,500 --> 08:58:24,500
It's.

8028
08:58:24,500 --> 08:58:25,500
Very.

8029
08:58:25,500 --> 08:58:26,500
Viable.

8030
08:58:27,500 --> 08:58:28,500
My.

8031
08:58:28,500 --> 08:58:29,500
You know, a hundred and four.

8032
08:58:29,500 --> 08:58:30,500
I think we can.

8033
08:58:30,500 --> 08:58:31,500
Like.

8034
08:58:31,500 --> 08:58:32,500
It's.

8035
08:58:32,500 --> 08:58:34,500
I.

8036
08:58:34,500 --> 08:58:35,500
Of.

8037
08:58:35,500 --> 08:58:37,500
They have no intention to build.

8038
08:58:37,500 --> 08:58:38,500
Why.

8039
08:58:38,500 --> 08:58:39,500
Why.

8040
08:58:39,500 --> 08:58:40,500
I mean, they ask to be the housing element.

8041
08:58:40,500 --> 08:58:42,500
Don't make sense.

8042
08:58:42,500 --> 08:58:43,500
I'm.

8043
08:58:43,500 --> 08:58:44,500
I'm.

8044
08:58:44,500 --> 08:58:47,500
So you want to pick a place that you know, is 100% chance of building.

8045
08:58:47,500 --> 08:58:50,500
Or something is already.

8046
08:58:50,500 --> 08:58:52,500
I don't know that any of these are 100%.

8047
08:58:52,500 --> 08:58:54,500
I will support the box.

8048
08:58:54,500 --> 08:58:55,500
As it stands.

8049
08:58:55,500 --> 08:58:56,000
Okay.

8050
08:58:56,000 --> 08:59:01,000
It's a smaller number, I'm going to have to think.

8051
08:59:09,000 --> 08:59:13,000
And that motion carries with Chang and Wong the voting no.

8052
08:59:13,000 --> 08:59:19,000
Okay, so now I'll go back to my other motion and restate it.

8053
08:59:19,000 --> 08:59:25,000
There's one thing that I wanted to clarify which is what?

8054
08:59:26,000 --> 08:59:31,000
Clock. When does the clock tick to cause A to go to B?

8055
08:59:31,000 --> 08:59:33,000
No, we're part of this motion. The clock ticked.

8056
08:59:33,000 --> 08:59:41,000
Okay. Wouldn't it be just go to B if it's turned down as long as it's not been turned down?

8057
08:59:41,000 --> 08:59:47,000
Well, that might be, but I mean, the real thing is we, what we've said,

8058
08:59:47,000 --> 08:59:52,000
I think the majority has said is we want to see if we can make Valco go and we won't.

8059
08:59:52,000 --> 08:59:58,000
But we recognize that if Valco won't go, we recognize that Valco is highly risky.

8060
08:59:58,000 --> 09:00:00,000
And part of the reason is...

8061
09:00:00,000 --> 09:00:29,000
Okay, not all the parcels are owned yet. Another reason that's highly risky is the community, right, is going to have to be in favor of something that sand will actually build. We're going to have to, it's going to be a big long process. So, I think we need a credible scenario, but we also need, if we're going to get this done in this housing element cycle, we've got to have a credible alternative and we've got to decide when to pull the rip cord.

8062
09:00:30,000 --> 09:00:42,000
Oh, actually, I just want to finish the discussion before I make the motion. There's something we did not discuss, which is scenario be on office.

8063
09:00:42,000 --> 09:00:53,000
In other words, if falcon doesn't happen, I would say I would put another 500,000 back in a general office of the two million.

8064
09:00:53,000 --> 09:00:55,000
I will give it that.

8065
09:00:55,000 --> 09:00:57,000
You're okay with that?

8066
09:00:57,000 --> 09:00:58,000
Yeah, I'll give it that.

8067
09:00:58,000 --> 09:01:02,000
All right, so then the motion is to the right.

8068
09:01:02,000 --> 09:01:08,000
Let me help you here, so I make a motion to approve E8 2013-03. Do you have a second?

8069
09:01:08,000 --> 09:01:13,000
Yes, negative deck, right. Yes, please, but with your lights.

8070
09:01:13,000 --> 09:01:16,000
Can I get in? I move. No, no.

8071
09:01:16,000 --> 09:01:17,000
And don't follow this.

8072
09:01:17,000 --> 09:01:19,000
No, because we're just directing.

8073
09:01:19,000 --> 09:01:21,000
Oh, so we can't go there.

8074
09:01:21,000 --> 09:01:24,000
So today, we can only direct. We can't go this.

8075
09:01:24,000 --> 09:01:28,000
Do you have any instructions for conformity findings on E8?

8076
09:01:28,000 --> 09:01:38,000
Right, okay. So my motion is to give instructions to staff to do conformity findings on the following.

8077
09:01:38,000 --> 09:01:46,000
An office allocation of 3,040 or 3 million and 40,000, sorry.

8078
09:01:46,000 --> 09:01:48,000
It's full.

8079
09:01:48,000 --> 09:01:50,000
Okay.

8080
09:01:50,000 --> 09:01:52,000
I'm ready to hold down. I'm not playing tennis.

8081
09:01:52,000 --> 09:01:53,000
Morning.

8082
09:01:53,000 --> 09:01:55,000
Or do you do that one more time in the office?

8083
09:01:55,000 --> 09:02:05,000
Yeah, an office of 3 million and 40,000 of which 540 is the major company allocation.

8084
09:02:05,000 --> 09:02:12,000
2 million is about the contingent on the specific plans with a four-year timeframe.

8085
09:02:12,000 --> 09:02:16,000
And 500 is general office for the rest of the city.

8086
09:02:16,000 --> 09:02:19,000
What, what is four years?

8087
09:02:19,000 --> 09:02:22,000
We just think that's a good timeframe.

8088
09:02:22,000 --> 09:02:23,000
I just think that's a good five.

8089
09:02:23,000 --> 09:02:25,000
Four years from when I guess.

8090
09:02:25,000 --> 09:02:26,000
Yeah, that's from tonight.

8091
09:02:26,000 --> 09:02:30,000
You know, four years when it gets approved by a CD.

8092
09:02:30,000 --> 09:02:33,000
That puts us pretty late in the cycle.

8093
09:02:33,000 --> 09:02:34,000
No, it's okay.

8094
09:02:34,000 --> 09:02:35,000
Four years from now.

8095
09:02:35,000 --> 09:02:36,000
We have eight years cycle.

8096
09:02:36,000 --> 09:02:37,000
We have eight years, right?

8097
09:02:37,000 --> 09:02:39,000
Comment, staff, please.

8098
09:02:39,000 --> 09:02:41,000
And it's not built in four years.

8099
09:02:41,000 --> 09:02:42,000
It's got to be.

8100
09:02:42,000 --> 09:02:43,000
No, entitled, right?

8101
09:02:43,000 --> 09:02:45,000
Yeah, entitled. Yeah, I mean, that's probably fine.

8102
09:02:45,000 --> 09:02:46,000
Yeah.

8103
09:02:46,000 --> 09:02:47,000
Fine. Okay.

8104
09:02:48,000 --> 09:02:49,000
Okay.

8105
09:02:49,000 --> 09:02:50,000
Hotel of 1339.

8106
09:02:50,000 --> 09:02:51,000
Great.

8107
09:02:51,000 --> 09:03:00,000
Housing of 1386 on a scenario A with a 1381 on a scenario B as we just discussed.

8108
09:03:00,000 --> 09:03:02,000
Well, no, 1318.

8109
09:03:02,000 --> 09:03:04,000
2018, sorry.

8110
09:03:04,000 --> 09:03:06,000
I'm transposed.

8111
09:03:06,000 --> 09:03:09,000
Hotel height.

8112
09:03:09,000 --> 09:03:12,000
Well, the commercial was 717k.

8113
09:03:12,000 --> 09:03:14,000
Oh, commercial was 722k.

8114
09:03:14,000 --> 09:03:15,000
Good.

8115
09:03:16,000 --> 09:03:24,000
The Valko floor for the specific plan is 600k.

8116
09:03:24,000 --> 09:03:25,000
100.

8117
09:03:25,000 --> 09:03:27,000
Okay.

8118
09:03:27,000 --> 09:03:32,000
The height of the hotel was 110k.

8119
09:03:32,000 --> 09:03:33,000
It was 110k.

8120
09:03:33,000 --> 09:03:35,000
We're going to inspect the.

8121
09:03:35,000 --> 09:03:42,000
Come up with a reasonable and robust community benefits program.

8122
09:03:42,000 --> 09:03:43,000
Correct.

8123
09:03:44,000 --> 09:03:46,000
And can we add quantifiable?

8124
09:03:46,000 --> 09:03:49,000
Yes, reasonably quantifiable. Yes.

8125
09:03:49,000 --> 09:03:52,000
No rezoning.

8126
09:03:52,000 --> 09:03:55,000
Oh, sorry.

8127
09:03:55,000 --> 09:03:56,000
We missed.

8128
09:03:56,000 --> 09:03:58,000
What the 110 was for a bit site.

8129
09:03:58,000 --> 09:04:01,000
110 was for hundreds of years for the Latino in.

8130
09:04:01,000 --> 09:04:02,000
Right.

8131
09:04:02,000 --> 09:04:03,000
Right.

8132
09:04:03,000 --> 09:04:04,000
And also there was three votes.

8133
09:04:04,000 --> 09:04:06,000
Three strawberries for.

8134
09:04:06,000 --> 09:04:07,000
For.

8135
09:04:07,000 --> 09:04:10,000
Steen's Creek office at.

8136
09:04:10,000 --> 09:04:12,000
So if I feet with community benefits.

8137
09:04:12,000 --> 09:04:14,000
Do you really want to try to swallow that all at once?

8138
09:04:14,000 --> 09:04:15,000
Okay.

8139
09:04:15,000 --> 09:04:16,000
Yes.

8140
09:04:16,000 --> 09:04:17,000
Yeah.

8141
09:04:17,000 --> 09:04:18,000
Let's try.

8142
09:04:18,000 --> 09:04:19,000
I'm going to come back with power.

8143
09:04:19,000 --> 09:04:22,000
What was the overall residential allocation?

8144
09:04:22,000 --> 09:04:25,000
The overall residential allocation was 1386.

8145
09:04:25,000 --> 09:04:27,000
So you don't want any from our ones and.

8146
09:04:27,000 --> 09:04:29,000
Oh, we're just leaving whatever.

8147
09:04:29,000 --> 09:04:31,000
I want to leave it the way it was at 1895.

8148
09:04:31,000 --> 09:04:32,000
There.

8149
09:04:32,000 --> 09:04:33,000
2000.

8150
09:04:33,000 --> 09:04:34,000
Okay.

8151
09:04:34,000 --> 09:04:35,000
Yes.

8152
09:04:35,000 --> 09:04:37,000
Okay.

8153
09:04:38,000 --> 09:04:40,000
No rezoning of PG&E site.

8154
09:04:40,000 --> 09:04:41,000
Correct.

8155
09:04:41,000 --> 09:04:44,000
Heights per the balance plan.

8156
09:04:44,000 --> 09:04:46,000
Correct.

8157
09:04:46,000 --> 09:04:48,000
You got to see this Creek office, right?

8158
09:04:48,000 --> 09:04:51,000
And Steven's Creek office at 75.

8159
09:04:51,000 --> 09:04:52,000
Correct.

8160
09:04:52,000 --> 09:04:55,000
And I think that's it that I cover everything.

8161
09:04:55,000 --> 09:04:56,000
So you got the office.

8162
09:04:56,000 --> 09:04:57,000
You got the hotel.

8163
09:04:57,000 --> 09:04:58,000
You got the coverage.

8164
09:04:58,000 --> 09:04:59,000
You got the housing.

8165
09:04:59,000 --> 09:05:00,000
You got the community benefits.

8166
09:05:00,000 --> 09:05:02,000
Yes, but he has come back.

8167
09:05:02,000 --> 09:05:04,000
With a more specific plan.

8168
09:05:04,000 --> 09:05:06,000
You got the heights at the balance.

8169
09:05:06,000 --> 09:05:11,000
With exceptional student's Creek office and Cropino in.

8170
09:05:11,000 --> 09:05:15,000
No impeaching for rezoning.

8171
09:05:15,000 --> 09:05:16,000
I think we got everything.

8172
09:05:16,000 --> 09:05:18,000
So can I get a clarification?

8173
09:05:18,000 --> 09:05:23,000
So I'll second that motion for discussion.

8174
09:05:23,000 --> 09:05:28,000
So what did we just say about the.

8175
09:05:28,000 --> 09:05:31,000
Non-designated housing elements sites.

8176
09:05:31,000 --> 09:05:33,000
Well, the total number will be 2000.

8177
09:05:33,000 --> 09:05:36,000
So it's whatever 1300 minus 2000.

8178
09:05:36,000 --> 09:05:37,000
So you have an extra.

8179
09:05:37,000 --> 09:05:40,000
So instead of the Fort 4421.

8180
09:05:40,000 --> 09:05:42,000
We're talking about 2000.

8181
09:05:42,000 --> 09:05:43,000
Right.

8182
09:05:43,000 --> 09:05:44,000
Yeah.

8183
09:05:44,000 --> 09:05:46,000
We approve about 100 units.

8184
09:05:46,000 --> 09:05:48,000
Give or take a year and just borrow one.

8185
09:05:48,000 --> 09:05:50,000
So it gives us a few years before.

8186
09:05:50,000 --> 09:05:52,000
I think we're okay.

8187
09:05:52,000 --> 09:05:53,000
There.

8188
09:05:53,000 --> 09:05:54,000
All right.

8189
09:05:54,000 --> 09:05:58,000
Can I get any love on starting community benefits anywhere.

8190
09:05:58,000 --> 09:06:01,000
At above 45 feet.

8191
09:06:01,000 --> 09:06:02,000
Yeah.

8192
09:06:02,000 --> 09:06:04,000
Staff report was at 60.

8193
09:06:04,000 --> 09:06:07,000
And I frankly think, you know, we can do it at 45.

8194
09:06:07,000 --> 09:06:08,000
Yes.

8195
09:06:08,000 --> 09:06:09,000
I'll go ahead.

8196
09:06:09,000 --> 09:06:10,000
I'll go ahead.

8197
09:06:10,000 --> 09:06:11,000
So I'll go ahead.

8198
09:06:11,000 --> 09:06:12,000
I'll go ahead.

8199
09:06:12,000 --> 09:06:13,000
I'll go ahead.

8200
09:06:13,000 --> 09:06:14,000
I'll go ahead.

8201
09:06:14,000 --> 09:06:15,000
I'll go with you.

8202
09:06:15,000 --> 09:06:16,000
You will go with me at 45.

8203
09:06:16,000 --> 09:06:17,000
Yeah.

8204
09:06:17,000 --> 09:06:18,000
I'll go with the balance plan.

8205
09:06:18,000 --> 09:06:21,000
I'm a no.

8206
09:06:21,000 --> 09:06:25,000
You got all the tons of building an office in there.

8207
09:06:25,000 --> 09:06:27,000
Which I don't think the public wants.

8208
09:06:27,000 --> 09:06:28,000
So I'm a no.

8209
09:06:28,000 --> 09:06:29,000
But sets in there.

8210
09:06:30,000 --> 09:06:32,000
That's why if you want to leave it all together.

8211
09:06:32,000 --> 09:06:33,000
That's fine.

8212
09:06:33,000 --> 09:06:35,000
I'm in favor of several things in there.

8213
09:06:35,000 --> 09:06:38,000
So we're still going to vote on.

8214
09:06:38,000 --> 09:06:41,000
Oh, you made a motion at one whole thing.

8215
09:06:41,000 --> 09:06:42,000
Listen this way.

8216
09:06:42,000 --> 09:06:44,000
I mean, it will give me a bit of what will come back to us.

8217
09:06:44,000 --> 09:06:47,000
And we can just sit that side.

8218
09:06:47,000 --> 09:06:50,000
Oh, I don't know about that.

8219
09:06:50,000 --> 09:06:53,000
Yes.

8220
09:06:53,000 --> 09:06:55,000
Regarding the community benefits.

8221
09:06:55,000 --> 09:06:58,000
If you can tell us what the base height is, then we can figure that out.

8222
09:06:58,000 --> 09:07:01,000
Right now, this language in the general plan.

8223
09:07:01,000 --> 09:07:03,000
And if you want that to be amended.

8224
09:07:03,000 --> 09:07:06,000
You can let us know and we'll bring back the men.

8225
09:07:06,000 --> 09:07:10,000
Can the 45 or 60 feet on the height for the community benefits?

8226
09:07:10,000 --> 09:07:13,000
Can we can we just decide that at the next meeting?

8227
09:07:13,000 --> 09:07:15,000
Or you need a decision now.

8228
09:07:15,000 --> 09:07:19,000
Whenever you decide it, we are the findings that have to be made a few days later.

8229
09:07:19,000 --> 09:07:20,000
Because we have to.

8230
09:07:20,000 --> 09:07:22,000
We have to know what the question is.

8231
09:07:22,000 --> 09:07:23,000
So the answer is now.

8232
09:07:23,000 --> 09:07:24,000
If you want.

8233
09:07:24,000 --> 09:07:25,000
Thank you.

8234
09:07:25,000 --> 09:07:26,000
You answered the question.

8235
09:07:26,000 --> 09:07:27,000
Right.

8236
09:07:27,000 --> 09:07:31,000
I would make a strong case based on everything we've heard tonight to say.

8237
09:07:31,000 --> 09:07:35,000
Look, right now it's very.

8238
09:07:35,000 --> 09:07:40,000
Developers are making good money.

8239
09:07:40,000 --> 09:07:45,000
On office space and residential.

8240
09:07:45,000 --> 09:07:49,000
We know about what happens with the schools.

8241
09:07:49,000 --> 09:07:52,000
We know about our desires for.

8242
09:07:52,000 --> 09:07:54,000
Lots of different things.

8243
09:07:54,000 --> 09:07:55,000
It could be land for parks.

8244
09:07:55,000 --> 09:07:57,000
It could be community shuttles.

8245
09:07:57,000 --> 09:07:59,000
It could be lots of things.

8246
09:07:59,000 --> 09:08:01,000
And I would argue that we.

8247
09:08:01,000 --> 09:08:04,000
We ought to take advantage of.

8248
09:08:04,000 --> 09:08:10,000
I think the community would appreciate us.

8249
09:08:10,000 --> 09:08:14,000
Starting at a lower level would have three people for that.

8250
09:08:14,000 --> 09:08:15,000
Right.

8251
09:08:15,000 --> 09:08:16,000
Right.

8252
09:08:16,000 --> 09:08:17,000
Now you have two to two.

8253
09:08:17,000 --> 09:08:18,000
I totally agree.

8254
09:08:18,000 --> 09:08:19,000
You agree, right?

8255
09:08:19,000 --> 09:08:20,000
Yeah.

8256
09:08:20,000 --> 09:08:21,000
And Mark would agree.

8257
09:08:21,000 --> 09:08:23,000
Well, no, Mark is.

8258
09:08:23,000 --> 09:08:24,000
I don't know where.

8259
09:08:24,000 --> 09:08:25,000
I'm already out of this motion.

8260
09:08:25,000 --> 09:08:26,000
Mark is not.

8261
09:08:26,000 --> 09:08:27,000
I don't.

8262
09:08:27,000 --> 09:08:28,000
Yeah, but it's not.

8263
09:08:28,000 --> 09:08:29,000
We need a.

8264
09:08:29,000 --> 09:08:30,000
We need a sense of view of time breaker.

8265
09:08:30,000 --> 09:08:32,000
I know what your sense would be, right?

8266
09:08:32,000 --> 09:08:34,000
I don't know what it is.

8267
09:08:34,000 --> 09:08:35,000
Really?

8268
09:08:35,000 --> 09:08:36,000
Yeah.

8269
09:08:36,000 --> 09:08:37,000
And what would my sense be?

8270
09:08:37,000 --> 09:08:38,000
It would be.

8271
09:08:38,000 --> 09:08:39,000
It would be.

8272
09:08:39,000 --> 09:08:40,000
It would be.

8273
09:08:40,000 --> 09:08:41,000
It would be.

8274
09:08:41,000 --> 09:08:43,000
It would be.

8275
09:08:43,000 --> 09:08:45,000
The problem I have is.

8276
09:08:45,000 --> 09:08:46,000
It really.

8277
09:08:46,000 --> 09:08:48,000
It really depends on what it is.

8278
09:08:48,000 --> 09:08:52,000
I mean, I don't like the current retail component.

8279
09:08:52,000 --> 09:08:53,000
I don't like it.

8280
09:08:53,000 --> 09:08:56,000
And so you're asking me to sign a blank check without.

8281
09:08:56,000 --> 09:08:57,000
No, no, no, no, no.

8282
09:08:57,000 --> 09:08:58,000
Forget the increase.

8283
09:08:58,000 --> 09:09:00,000
What do you want for the.

8284
09:09:00,000 --> 09:09:01,000
You want 40.

8285
09:09:01,000 --> 09:09:02,000
What would.

8286
09:09:02,000 --> 09:09:03,000
I think we have five.

8287
09:09:03,000 --> 09:09:04,000
I think we have five.

8288
09:09:04,000 --> 09:09:05,000
I think we have.

8289
09:09:05,000 --> 09:09:09,000
I think we have certain areas that we looked at for higher zoning is naturally.

8290
09:09:09,000 --> 09:09:14,000
And so I think it should be if you want to give it a height over whatever it's own for.

8291
09:09:14,000 --> 09:09:18,000
I mean, so so basically we just you just set 110 for a hotel.

8292
09:09:18,000 --> 09:09:26,000
So you you basically can a tax M 15% of I'm going from 45 to whatever the height is.

8293
09:09:26,000 --> 09:09:29,000
And and that's the community benefit.

8294
09:09:29,000 --> 09:09:33,000
And it has to be quantified and if it's not good enough.

8295
09:09:33,000 --> 09:09:34,000
They can build a 45.

8296
09:09:34,000 --> 09:09:35,000
Have a nice day.

8297
09:09:35,000 --> 09:09:36,000
Yeah.

8298
09:09:36,000 --> 09:09:37,000
So agree.

8299
09:09:37,000 --> 09:09:44,000
But when I think I heard you say, I'm going to because I'm looking for your sense even on the

8300
09:09:45,000 --> 09:09:47,000
You don't believe in a community benefits thing.

8301
09:09:47,000 --> 09:09:49,000
So let's take that out of it for a second.

8302
09:09:49,000 --> 09:09:52,000
That's just a what to do when you get over X.

8303
09:09:52,000 --> 09:09:56,000
You think X should be the balance plan or 45 in the city.

8304
09:09:56,000 --> 09:09:58,000
I need to look at the balance plan.

8305
09:09:58,000 --> 09:10:00,000
Well, it had all the different.

8306
09:10:00,000 --> 09:10:03,000
Yeah, I know I'm it's complicated.

8307
09:10:03,000 --> 09:10:04,000
It.

8308
09:10:04,000 --> 09:10:07,000
Yeah, it's very we already made two exceptions.

8309
09:10:07,000 --> 09:10:08,000
I don't know.

8310
09:10:08,000 --> 09:10:10,000
I don't know why we we have sites that are only 30 feet.

8311
09:10:10,000 --> 09:10:13,000
So then it's like do they get to go to 45, but we're not we're not changing the basis for everybody.

8312
09:10:13,000 --> 09:10:16,000
I'm just talking about where I don't the community benefit would start.

8313
09:10:16,000 --> 09:10:17,000
That's not understand.

8314
09:10:17,000 --> 09:10:22,000
So we're not suggesting that you know we're automatically going to let everybody build a 45.

8315
09:10:22,000 --> 09:10:24,000
We have 30 at Glenbrook's for example.

8316
09:10:24,000 --> 09:10:27,000
But what I am saying.

8317
09:10:27,000 --> 09:10:29,000
When you're capping 45.

8318
09:10:29,000 --> 09:10:30,000
I'm basically saying.

8319
09:10:30,000 --> 09:10:31,000
Yes, I am.

8320
09:10:31,000 --> 09:10:34,000
I'm saying that we we.

8321
09:10:34,000 --> 09:10:36,000
About 45.

8322
09:10:36,000 --> 09:10:38,000
I'm not buying into this.

8323
09:10:39,000 --> 09:10:41,000
About 45.

8324
09:10:41,000 --> 09:10:42,000
I'm not buying into this.

8325
09:10:42,000 --> 09:10:44,000
So called retail thing.

8326
09:10:44,000 --> 09:10:46,000
Sir, you're going to argue that.

8327
09:10:46,000 --> 09:10:49,000
So right now in Valco's 45 feet or 60 with retail.

8328
09:10:49,000 --> 09:10:52,000
You only want to just change that one.

8329
09:10:52,000 --> 09:10:54,000
No, I want to change every damn last one of them.

8330
09:10:54,000 --> 09:10:57,000
So you want to let everyone of them have the opportunity to go to 60.

8331
09:10:57,000 --> 09:10:58,000
But 45 feet.

8332
09:10:58,000 --> 09:11:00,000
What is that?

8333
09:11:00,000 --> 09:11:01,000
No, no, no, no, no, no.

8334
09:11:01,000 --> 09:11:02,000
Right.

8335
09:11:03,000 --> 09:11:04,000
So right now.

8336
09:11:04,000 --> 09:11:09,000
I'm going to limit it to 45 or 30 except for one that that has a higher if it has a retail component.

8337
09:11:09,000 --> 09:11:11,000
So if you're saying that you're going to cut that.

8338
09:11:11,000 --> 09:11:12,000
So that's the only one that would matter.

8339
09:11:12,000 --> 09:11:14,000
That's the only one right now that has an additional bump.

8340
09:11:14,000 --> 09:11:16,000
Unless you want to give it to somebody.

8341
09:11:16,000 --> 09:11:17,000
Is this no.

8342
09:11:17,000 --> 09:11:18,000
Or do you.

8343
09:11:18,000 --> 09:11:19,000
Is this the week.

8344
09:11:19,000 --> 09:11:20,000
Short of heights.

8345
09:11:20,000 --> 09:11:21,000
Or more.

8346
09:11:21,000 --> 09:11:22,000
Okay.

8347
09:11:22,000 --> 09:11:23,000
We have.

8348
09:11:23,000 --> 09:11:27,000
We have this whole complex schedule.

8349
09:11:27,000 --> 09:11:29,000
Which allows.

8350
09:11:29,000 --> 09:11:31,000
Keep going greater heights.

8351
09:11:31,000 --> 09:11:33,000
In certain places.

8352
09:11:33,000 --> 09:11:36,000
And I'm not suggesting that we interrupt that.

8353
09:11:36,000 --> 09:11:38,000
You don't accept that.

8354
09:11:38,000 --> 09:11:42,000
Except that our standard becomes 45.

8355
09:11:42,000 --> 09:11:46,000
And anything above that is calculated with the net presence.

8356
09:11:46,000 --> 09:11:49,000
That's how you formula to yield.

8357
09:11:49,000 --> 09:11:52,000
So barely benefit that it's a tangible bear with.

8358
09:11:52,000 --> 09:11:57,000
There's only certain areas allowed to go over 45 and all of them require.

8359
09:11:57,000 --> 09:11:59,000
Right now retail components.

8360
09:11:59,000 --> 09:12:02,000
I'm saying you can just take that same list and change the retail component to.

8361
09:12:02,000 --> 09:12:03,000
Right.

8362
09:12:03,000 --> 09:12:04,000
Whatever.

8363
09:12:04,000 --> 09:12:05,000
Yeah.

8364
09:12:05,000 --> 09:12:07,000
All of the other ones don't allow to go over 45.

8365
09:12:07,000 --> 09:12:08,000
So they're.

8366
09:12:08,000 --> 09:12:09,000
They're not the mix.

8367
09:12:09,000 --> 09:12:10,000
Well, there is.

8368
09:12:10,000 --> 09:12:12,000
Is there anything that allows over 45?

8369
09:12:12,000 --> 09:12:13,000
Yes.

8370
09:12:13,000 --> 09:12:14,000
North.

8371
09:12:14,000 --> 09:12:15,000
North.

8372
09:12:15,000 --> 09:12:16,000
Right.

8373
09:12:16,000 --> 09:12:17,000
No.

8374
09:12:17,000 --> 09:12:19,000
Is 45 it today anyway?

8375
09:12:19,000 --> 09:12:20,000
Are you asking the current.

8376
09:12:20,000 --> 09:12:21,000
Is there any.

8377
09:12:21,000 --> 09:12:22,000
Yeah.

8378
09:12:22,000 --> 09:12:25,000
Is there currently anything that goes over 45 without a retail component?

8379
09:12:25,000 --> 09:12:26,000
North.

8380
09:12:26,000 --> 09:12:27,000
That's.

8381
09:12:27,000 --> 09:12:29,000
So what does North Falco allow exactly today?

8382
09:12:29,000 --> 09:12:30,000
Steep eat.

8383
09:12:30,000 --> 09:12:31,000
With retail.

8384
09:12:31,000 --> 09:12:32,000
No.

8385
09:12:32,000 --> 09:12:33,000
Just 60 period.

8386
09:12:33,000 --> 09:12:34,000
60 period.

8387
09:12:34,000 --> 09:12:35,000
Well, I would like.

8388
09:12:35,000 --> 09:12:38,000
I would like to take it to 45.

8389
09:12:38,000 --> 09:12:41,000
And then community benefit above that.

8390
09:12:41,000 --> 09:12:43,000
So that one plus all the existing ones.

8391
09:12:43,000 --> 09:12:44,000
Basically.

8392
09:12:44,000 --> 09:12:45,000
Just what you just said earlier.

8393
09:12:45,000 --> 09:12:46,000
So there's.

8394
09:12:46,000 --> 09:12:47,000
Yeah.

8395
09:12:47,000 --> 09:12:49,000
But I think it's really clear.

8396
09:12:49,000 --> 09:12:50,000
It's very straightforward.

8397
09:12:50,000 --> 09:12:52,000
It's easy.

8398
09:12:52,000 --> 09:12:53,000
It's.

8399
09:12:53,000 --> 09:12:54,000
It's.

8400
09:12:54,000 --> 09:12:55,000
You.

8401
09:12:55,000 --> 09:12:57,000
So what you want to give that in practice.

8402
09:12:57,000 --> 09:12:58,000
I don't know what it means.

8403
09:12:58,000 --> 09:13:01,000
You want to have a exception full grambroke.

8404
09:13:01,000 --> 09:13:02,000
Crembrothers.

8405
09:13:02,000 --> 09:13:03,000
No.

8406
09:13:03,000 --> 09:13:07,000
You know what he's saying is anybody that's currently allowed to go over 45.

8407
09:13:07,000 --> 09:13:10,000
Whether it's a retail component or for whatever reason.

8408
09:13:10,000 --> 09:13:11,000
The above 45.

8409
09:13:11,000 --> 09:13:13,000
They pay the tax.

8410
09:13:13,000 --> 09:13:15,000
It's not a tax.

8411
09:13:15,000 --> 09:13:18,000
It's the opportunity to have.

8412
09:13:18,000 --> 09:13:20,000
A benefit.

8413
09:13:20,000 --> 09:13:21,000
Okay.

8414
09:13:22,000 --> 09:13:24,000
So to to go higher.

8415
09:13:24,000 --> 09:13:29,000
With a community benefit under calculated formula.

8416
09:13:29,000 --> 09:13:32,000
To the benefit of whatever of, you know,

8417
09:13:32,000 --> 09:13:34,000
Future Council decides.

8418
09:13:34,000 --> 09:13:37,000
But it's quantified and it is clear.

8419
09:13:37,000 --> 09:13:39,000
So the only difference.

8420
09:13:39,000 --> 09:13:42,000
The only difference that we'd be talking about.

8421
09:13:42,000 --> 09:13:45,000
Because we're talking about saying community benefit.

8422
09:13:45,000 --> 09:13:48,000
Instead, including retail instead of just retail, right?

8423
09:13:48,000 --> 09:13:49,000
That's clear.

8424
09:13:49,000 --> 09:13:52,000
The only difference is North Falco.

8425
09:13:52,000 --> 09:13:53,000
With Rod's idea.

8426
09:13:53,000 --> 09:14:02,000
Well, what I what I understood Councilmember Singh's idea was was to go with the balance plan heights.

8427
09:14:02,000 --> 09:14:09,000
But then to start at the base height of 45 and anything above that would require a community benefit.

8428
09:14:09,000 --> 09:14:11,000
Am I.

8429
09:14:11,000 --> 09:14:12,000
Yes.

8430
09:14:12,000 --> 09:14:14,000
What does that mean start with the balance?

8431
09:14:14,000 --> 09:14:17,000
So that means let's take the Oaks gateway for example.

8432
09:14:18,000 --> 09:14:19,000
No, that's clear.

8433
09:14:19,000 --> 09:14:20,000
Let's see.

8434
09:14:20,000 --> 09:14:21,000
Because it's 45 today.

8435
09:14:21,000 --> 09:14:22,000
And he's proposing 45.

8436
09:14:22,000 --> 09:14:23,000
Find one at 60 today.

8437
09:14:23,000 --> 09:14:25,000
And he wants to go to 45.

8438
09:14:25,000 --> 09:14:26,000
Right.

8439
09:14:26,000 --> 09:14:30,000
So in the balance plan, it recommends 45 and 60 with retail under Council Member

8440
09:14:30,000 --> 09:14:33,000
Singh's plan is 45 at 60 with community benefits.

8441
09:14:33,000 --> 09:14:34,000
No, I understand.

8442
09:14:34,000 --> 09:14:35,000
Right.

8443
09:14:35,000 --> 09:14:36,000
That's great.

8444
09:14:36,000 --> 09:14:38,000
But I thought there were some 60s today without.

8445
09:14:38,000 --> 09:14:41,000
Today, there's there's only one 60 without retail.

8446
09:14:41,000 --> 09:14:43,000
And that is North Falco.

8447
09:14:43,000 --> 09:14:48,000
That includes the Cupertino in the Hamptons and the Apple Campus area.

8448
09:14:48,000 --> 09:14:49,000
That's North Falco.

8449
09:14:49,000 --> 09:14:53,000
That's the section between Tantau, Homestead.

8450
09:14:53,000 --> 09:14:58,000
And it includes the Cupertino in sight.

8451
09:14:58,000 --> 09:14:59,000
North.

8452
09:14:59,000 --> 09:15:00,000
North.

8453
09:15:00,000 --> 09:15:24,000
So my only question about my proposal is, again, my concern is getting our housing element adopted without incurring delay penalties, etc.

8454
09:15:24,000 --> 09:15:33,000
If, would, well, maybe I'll forget about asking that question.

8455
09:15:33,000 --> 09:15:39,000
The reason I don't think you should, since I don't think you know the detail of it, I don't think you want this.

8456
09:15:39,000 --> 09:15:42,000
The motion, could you're not going to get?

8457
09:15:42,000 --> 09:15:44,000
What are they teller we're talking about? I'm sorry.

8458
09:15:44,000 --> 09:15:50,000
Okay, so the question is, what, what is the, the thing that public benefit constitute?

8459
09:15:50,000 --> 09:15:53,000
And you said to leave that to a future council, is that constitutive?

8460
09:15:53,000 --> 09:16:10,000
No, I'm adopted. No, I think no. I want a, the specific formula that staff has recommended that is, we go through the perform up validated by our economic expert.

8461
09:16:10,000 --> 09:16:16,000
We enter into a development agreement. We can't exactly dictate exactly what that would look like.

8462
09:16:16,000 --> 09:16:39,000
I'm being written on it. Okay. We can't, we can't say exactly what that is right now, but we would go through a numerical calculation and expect a benefit equivalent to that, which could be money or, yes, some other benefit could be part dedication or some such thing.

8463
09:16:39,000 --> 09:16:47,000
We're not going to have to have the economic value that follows from the formula.

8464
09:16:47,000 --> 09:16:58,000
So the only difference from what I was, the motion I was going to make was in North Valko, whether we started, it's one place, whether we started 60 and 45 there.

8465
09:16:58,000 --> 09:17:06,000
Can we just go with balanced plan, I mean, it covers 90% of the city for your thing.

8466
09:17:06,000 --> 09:17:10,000
Then North Valko, we're going to have the money going to need the height to do this thing.

8467
09:17:10,000 --> 09:17:23,000
Well, so my understanding is under the balance plan and staff's recommendation, the benefit, the community benefit doesn't start until we hit 60 feet.

8468
09:17:23,000 --> 09:17:27,000
Is that correct? So I want to lower that to 45.

8469
09:17:27,000 --> 09:17:34,000
Right. In, in our case, in some areas, there is no community benefit required and some areas.

8470
09:17:34,000 --> 09:17:36,000
You could build 60 feet without community benefit.

8471
09:17:36,000 --> 09:17:38,000
You could only play the staff.

8472
09:17:38,000 --> 09:17:39,000
Now you and North Valko.

8473
09:17:39,000 --> 09:17:40,000
Only in North Valko.

8474
09:17:40,000 --> 09:17:44,000
Anywhere else, if you build over 45, it requires retail, you could change retail.

8475
09:17:44,000 --> 09:17:51,000
Your proposal and the balance plan are identical for 95% percent for North Valko.

8476
09:17:51,000 --> 09:17:54,000
North North Valko currently has a 60 foot limit.

8477
09:17:54,000 --> 09:18:03,000
Well, the balance plan has taller heights at the oaks and the North Crossroads node above the current heights.

8478
09:18:03,000 --> 09:18:11,000
So if we take the staff recommendation and the balance plan, is there a community benefit if building the oaks as cat?

8479
09:18:11,000 --> 09:18:13,000
It's very high, can you mention the oaks?

8480
09:18:13,000 --> 09:18:15,000
Basic height for the oaks.

8481
09:18:15,000 --> 09:18:18,000
So let's look at the balance plan.

8482
09:18:18,000 --> 09:18:24,000
Right. The basic height for the oaks is 45 feet or 60 with retail.

8483
09:18:24,000 --> 09:18:27,000
Right. So we take the retail out.

8484
09:18:28,000 --> 09:18:30,000
The balance plan.

8485
09:18:30,000 --> 09:18:37,000
So the balance plan and rods proposal identical for everything except North Valko.

8486
09:18:37,000 --> 09:18:38,000
Is that correct?

8487
09:18:38,000 --> 09:18:39,000
Not as written.

8488
09:18:39,000 --> 09:18:40,000
Not as written.

8489
09:18:40,000 --> 09:18:44,000
But as we're not writing a community benefit for oaks.

8490
09:18:44,000 --> 09:18:45,000
No, no.

8491
09:18:45,000 --> 09:18:46,000
Okay.

8492
09:18:46,000 --> 09:18:48,000
So let me rephrase.

8493
09:18:48,000 --> 09:18:50,000
If the motion.

8494
09:18:50,000 --> 09:18:51,000
Let me try this.

8495
09:18:51,000 --> 09:18:56,000
If the motion said that the heights are as proposed in the balance plan.

8496
09:18:56,000 --> 09:19:06,000
With the difference being that it's community benefit instead of retail, which is I think what I said the motion would be.

8497
09:19:06,000 --> 09:19:14,000
That would be the same as rods proposal except for North Valko.

8498
09:19:14,000 --> 09:19:16,000
Is that a correct statement?

8499
09:19:16,000 --> 09:19:19,000
Well, I'll tell you where it's a little bit different.

8500
09:19:19,000 --> 09:19:24,000
It's a little bit different in city center where the recommendation was the same as alternative B.

8501
09:19:24,000 --> 09:19:27,000
It started at 60 feet in height.

8502
09:19:27,000 --> 09:19:31,000
So if you want to go back down to 45 feet, then I'll be a little bit.

8503
09:19:31,000 --> 09:19:34,000
I guess I was looking at the existing general point.

8504
09:19:34,000 --> 09:19:35,000
Right. Right.

8505
09:19:35,000 --> 09:19:37,000
So you tell us what you'd like.

8506
09:19:37,000 --> 09:19:41,000
The balance that is considerably more aggressive than the correct general point.

8507
09:19:41,000 --> 09:19:44,000
I would take a close look at the balance point.

8508
09:19:44,000 --> 09:19:45,000
Right.

8509
09:19:45,000 --> 09:19:46,000
It would help to us.

8510
09:19:46,000 --> 09:19:53,000
I think what we said everybody was talking about was taking the existing general plan where we are and increasing the heights for two locations.

8511
09:19:53,000 --> 09:19:58,000
The what the hotel and the.

8512
09:19:58,000 --> 09:19:59,000
Okay.

8513
09:19:59,000 --> 09:20:02,000
My motion is the existing general.

8514
09:20:02,000 --> 09:20:11,000
So if you went with the existing general plan with those two height adjustments and you want rods, then you could say anything that currently requires a retail component, which I'll retail component for whatever this is.

8515
09:20:11,000 --> 09:20:14,000
And that would be what you want for the existing general plan.

8516
09:20:14,000 --> 09:20:16,000
We're actually in a certain thing.

8517
09:20:16,000 --> 09:20:17,000
Correct.

8518
09:20:17,000 --> 09:20:18,000
Yes.

8519
09:20:18,000 --> 09:20:20,000
That's what I'd like to make the motion as.

8520
09:20:21,000 --> 09:20:23,000
Where exactly is 60 North Falco.

8521
09:20:23,000 --> 09:20:25,000
Can we shut that area on the map?

8522
09:20:25,000 --> 09:20:27,000
I think it's just North Falco, right?

8523
09:20:27,000 --> 09:20:28,000
Yes.

8524
09:20:28,000 --> 09:20:29,000
We can show you.

8525
09:20:29,000 --> 09:20:30,000
The only thing is Hamptons or.

8526
09:20:30,000 --> 09:20:31,000
No.

8527
09:20:31,000 --> 09:20:35,000
North Falco encompasses everything that is north of 280.

8528
09:20:35,000 --> 09:20:37,000
Between.

8529
09:20:37,000 --> 09:20:39,000
It includes Guartino village.

8530
09:20:39,000 --> 09:20:42,000
South of Homestead and everything that's along.

8531
09:20:42,000 --> 09:20:46,000
The current high requirement for North Falco is 60 feet.

8532
09:20:46,000 --> 09:20:51,000
Well, why wouldn't we be fair and just draw the 45 foot line there as well.

8533
09:20:51,000 --> 09:20:52,000
I don't understand.

8534
09:20:52,000 --> 09:20:54,000
I'm just allowing his point.

8535
09:20:54,000 --> 09:20:55,000
Yeah.

8536
09:20:55,000 --> 09:20:56,000
No.

8537
09:20:56,000 --> 09:20:57,000
I'm just trying to.

8538
09:20:57,000 --> 09:20:58,000
I'm trying to see why.

8539
09:20:58,000 --> 09:20:59,000
Well, the Hamptons there.

8540
09:20:59,000 --> 09:21:02,000
I'd take the Hamptons out and let it start at 60.

8541
09:21:02,000 --> 09:21:03,000
Why?

8542
09:21:03,000 --> 09:21:05,000
Because.

8543
09:21:05,000 --> 09:21:06,000
It's 60 now.

8544
09:21:06,000 --> 09:21:09,000
They need certain amount if they want to go higher.

8545
09:21:09,000 --> 09:21:10,000
That's fine.

8546
09:21:10,000 --> 09:21:13,000
Are they going to have to probably contribute to road, would you?

8547
09:21:13,000 --> 09:21:14,000
Yeah.

8548
09:21:14,000 --> 09:21:15,000
That's.

8549
09:21:15,000 --> 09:21:16,000
No.

8550
09:21:16,000 --> 09:21:18,000
Well, that would that would constitute a public benefit.

8551
09:21:18,000 --> 09:21:19,000
So that would.

8552
09:21:19,000 --> 09:21:20,000
The public benefit.

8553
09:21:20,000 --> 09:21:21,000
Would.

8554
09:21:21,000 --> 09:21:25,000
Would be anything that's over and above was required for the EIR.

8555
09:21:25,000 --> 09:21:29,000
So if it ends up being an EIR mitigation.

8556
09:21:29,000 --> 09:21:30,000
Be about.

8557
09:21:30,000 --> 09:21:32,000
It's getting late.

8558
09:21:32,000 --> 09:21:34,000
Take the Hamptons out.

8559
09:21:34,000 --> 09:21:35,000
We're good.

8560
09:21:35,000 --> 09:21:36,000
All right.

8561
09:21:36,000 --> 09:21:38,000
I'll take the Hamptons out.

8562
09:21:38,000 --> 09:21:39,000
Okay.

8563
09:21:39,000 --> 09:21:41,000
That's the motion.

8564
09:21:41,000 --> 09:21:42,000
I already seconded.

8565
09:21:42,000 --> 09:21:43,000
Okay.

8566
09:21:43,000 --> 09:21:44,000
Is that your vote?

8567
09:21:44,000 --> 09:21:45,000
Yes.

8568
09:21:45,000 --> 09:21:46,000
So do we clear it?

8569
09:21:46,000 --> 09:21:47,000
No.

8570
09:21:47,000 --> 09:21:48,000
Actually, in the height.

8571
09:21:48,000 --> 09:21:49,000
We're still trying to.

8572
09:21:49,000 --> 09:21:54,000
So do we understand that you start with the heights in the existing general plan, but you can

8573
09:21:54,000 --> 09:21:57,000
go up to the balanced plan, except for the Hamptons?

8574
09:21:57,000 --> 09:21:58,000
No.

8575
09:21:58,000 --> 09:21:59,000
No.

8576
09:21:59,000 --> 09:22:01,000
You start with the heights in the existing general plan.

8577
09:22:01,000 --> 09:22:02,000
Right.

8578
09:22:02,000 --> 09:22:06,000
In the existing general plan, anything that you can go higher with a retail component.

8579
09:22:06,000 --> 09:22:07,000
Right.

8580
09:22:07,000 --> 09:22:08,000
They go some fortified distance.

8581
09:22:08,000 --> 09:22:09,000
No.

8582
09:22:09,000 --> 09:22:11,000
The retail component gets changed to the.

8583
09:22:11,000 --> 09:22:12,000
I mean, like benefit.

8584
09:22:12,000 --> 09:22:13,000
I mean, benefit.

8585
09:22:13,000 --> 09:22:16,000
And North Falco gets shrunk to the Hamptons.

8586
09:22:16,000 --> 09:22:17,000
Okay.

8587
09:22:17,000 --> 09:22:22,000
But then the balanced plan recommended increased heights in.

8588
09:22:22,000 --> 09:22:23,000
There's no.

8589
09:22:23,000 --> 09:22:24,000
No.

8590
09:22:24,000 --> 09:22:25,000
Correct.

8591
09:22:25,000 --> 09:22:26,000
So okay.

8592
09:22:26,000 --> 09:22:27,000
The maximum height in the city.

8593
09:22:27,000 --> 09:22:28,000
There's two increased heights.

8594
09:22:28,000 --> 09:22:29,000
No.

8595
09:22:29,000 --> 09:22:30,000
Two increased heights.

8596
09:22:30,000 --> 09:22:31,000
Okay.

8597
09:22:31,000 --> 09:22:32,000
See the Hamptons.

8598
09:22:32,000 --> 09:22:33,000
The Hamptons.

8599
09:22:33,000 --> 09:22:35,000
And the hotel.

8600
09:22:35,000 --> 09:22:36,000
And it seems to be gone.

8601
09:22:36,000 --> 09:22:37,000
You know it.

8602
09:22:37,000 --> 09:22:38,000
Those are the only two.

8603
09:22:38,000 --> 09:22:39,000
No.

8604
09:22:39,000 --> 09:22:40,000
And it's the motion.

8605
09:22:41,000 --> 09:22:42,000
depred to.

8606
09:22:42,000 --> 09:22:43,800
And Steven's got this, but not about go.

8607
09:22:43,800 --> 09:22:45,000
No.

8608
09:22:45,000 --> 09:22:46,000
Very.

8609
09:22:46,000 --> 09:22:50,000
Well, why wouldn't we go for community benefits at state and

8610
09:22:50,000 --> 09:22:51,000
street conference.

8611
09:22:51,000 --> 09:22:52,000
Yeah.

8612
09:22:52,000 --> 09:22:53,000
What is that?

8613
09:22:53,000 --> 09:22:55,000
Do you guys want to increase the height?

8614
09:22:55,000 --> 09:22:56,000
And see we got this?

8615
09:22:56,000 --> 09:22:57,000
Okay.

8616
09:22:57,000 --> 09:22:58,000
Would think really benefits there to.

8617
09:22:58,000 --> 09:22:59,000
Didn't know.

8618
09:22:59,000 --> 09:23:00,000
Did you guys want to increase the height?

8619
09:23:00,000 --> 09:23:01,000
Huh?

8620
09:23:01,000 --> 09:23:02,000
Please bring those for heights.

8621
09:23:02,000 --> 09:23:03,000
Yes.

8622
09:23:03,000 --> 09:23:04,000
There was.

8623
09:23:04,000 --> 09:23:05,000
Where are the three votes for it?

8624
09:23:05,000 --> 09:23:07,000
I always want one.

8625
09:23:07,000 --> 09:23:08,000
I want one.

8626
09:23:08,000 --> 09:23:09,000
It was community benefits.

8627
09:23:09,000 --> 09:23:20,000
Yeah, we can mean that 45 feet and then higher with community benefits, yes. Yes, above 45 feet with the exception being in the Hampton.

8628
09:23:20,000 --> 09:23:22,000
Correct, exception being the Hampton.

8629
09:23:22,000 --> 09:23:24,000
And you guys got enough in this motion.

8630
09:23:24,000 --> 09:23:27,000
Well, what's the base on the phone tell for motion?

8631
09:23:27,000 --> 09:23:29,000
I mean, this is just getting ridiculous, guys.

8632
09:23:29,000 --> 09:23:32,000
Okay. I don't understand the question.

8633
09:23:32,000 --> 09:23:38,000
Okay, what I don't understand is where is where does the community benefit calculation start on the hotel?

8634
09:23:39,000 --> 09:23:41,000
A call to question.

8635
09:23:41,000 --> 09:23:47,000
Well, the part of the community benefit is already there in terms of the requirement for to be a five.

8636
09:23:47,000 --> 09:23:48,000
Could you bring different screen up?

8637
09:23:48,000 --> 09:23:50,000
That's cool.

8638
09:23:50,000 --> 09:23:56,000
Part of the community benefit is already baked into that in a five thousand square foot.

8639
09:23:56,000 --> 09:23:58,000
I'm going to note that because I don't know.

8640
09:23:58,000 --> 09:24:02,000
Right, you just don't know then you can start your motion again and go where it's called the question.

8641
09:24:02,000 --> 09:24:03,000
I'll be killed and you can go back to where you were.

8642
09:24:03,000 --> 09:24:04,000
Yep.

8643
09:24:04,000 --> 09:24:06,000
So go ahead.

8644
09:24:06,000 --> 09:24:10,000
Does planning staff understand that last height motion?

8645
09:24:10,000 --> 09:24:12,000
I'm a little confused.

8646
09:24:12,000 --> 09:24:15,000
Right. It doesn't matter what it is.

8647
09:24:15,000 --> 09:24:16,000
Well, it does matter.

8648
09:24:16,000 --> 09:24:17,000
No exception.

8649
09:24:17,000 --> 09:24:19,000
This is still a motion.

8650
09:24:19,000 --> 09:24:20,000
Yeah.

8651
09:24:20,000 --> 09:24:28,000
I think that if this this hotel or any other project around town is such a hot, wonderful benefit.

8652
09:24:28,000 --> 09:24:31,000
I think that the developer.

8653
09:24:31,000 --> 09:24:34,000
The hotel would be under restriction for community benefits.

8654
09:24:34,000 --> 09:24:35,000
We have a 400.

8655
09:24:35,000 --> 09:24:36,000
Yeah.

8656
09:24:36,000 --> 09:24:38,000
It would have been a five star.

8657
09:24:38,000 --> 09:24:39,000
I have five star facility.

8658
09:24:39,000 --> 09:24:40,000
It'll be a full service.

8659
09:24:40,000 --> 09:24:42,000
I want community benefits quantified.

8660
09:24:42,000 --> 09:24:46,000
I want the same formula applied to everybody in town.

8661
09:24:46,000 --> 09:24:49,000
You want to give 110 feet on a hotel.

8662
09:24:49,000 --> 09:24:51,000
And I respect that.

8663
09:24:51,000 --> 09:24:52,000
I'm not the answer.

8664
09:24:52,000 --> 09:24:53,000
We're including that one, right?

8665
09:24:53,000 --> 09:24:54,000
Would you?

8666
09:24:54,000 --> 09:24:55,000
I don't.

8667
09:24:55,000 --> 09:24:57,000
That's not to me a pretty calculated benefit.

8668
09:24:57,000 --> 09:25:01,000
I think it ought to be calculated beginning at 45 feet in above.

8669
09:25:01,000 --> 09:25:02,000
That's all.

8670
09:25:03,000 --> 09:25:06,000
Can I read what I understand it to be for the height part?

8671
09:25:06,000 --> 09:25:10,000
So you already have the 110 for the cupatino in.

8672
09:25:10,000 --> 09:25:12,000
And you have.

8673
09:25:12,000 --> 09:25:13,000
Go ahead.

8674
09:25:13,000 --> 09:25:14,000
Well, we're back and also.

8675
09:25:14,000 --> 09:25:15,000
Okay.

8676
09:25:15,000 --> 09:25:16,000
Potentially back and off.

8677
09:25:16,000 --> 09:25:17,000
And that's the problem.

8678
09:25:17,000 --> 09:25:18,000
Okay.

8679
09:25:18,000 --> 09:25:20,000
You're doing something for one developer.

8680
09:25:20,000 --> 09:25:21,000
And that's it.

8681
09:25:21,000 --> 09:25:22,000
No.

8682
09:25:22,000 --> 09:25:24,000
Is there any really benefit baked in that sort?

8683
09:25:24,000 --> 09:25:26,000
No, that's not much.

8684
09:25:26,000 --> 09:25:28,000
So I agree with what's wrong.

8685
09:25:28,000 --> 09:25:30,000
We need to have started all over again.

8686
09:25:31,000 --> 09:25:33,000
What is the same analysis?

8687
09:25:33,000 --> 09:25:37,000
What's the same general plan on the cupatino insight?

8688
09:25:37,000 --> 09:25:40,000
45 feet.

8689
09:25:45,000 --> 09:25:47,000
You're okay with the Hampton or not?

8690
09:25:47,000 --> 09:25:48,000
Yeah, fine.

8691
09:25:48,000 --> 09:25:52,000
I mean, I know we need to make it go as a housing element site.

8692
09:25:54,000 --> 09:25:57,000
And what was the proposal for Valco?

8693
09:25:57,000 --> 09:25:59,000
There was only for the Hampton.

8694
09:25:59,000 --> 09:26:00,000
It was 45.

8695
09:26:00,000 --> 09:26:01,000
Everything's right now.

8696
09:26:01,000 --> 09:26:02,000
I think it was 45.

8697
09:26:02,000 --> 09:26:03,000
But back in five.

8698
09:26:03,000 --> 09:26:04,000
What's the maximum height?

8699
09:26:04,000 --> 09:26:05,000
With 45.

8700
09:26:05,000 --> 09:26:09,000
So with community benefit?

8701
09:26:09,000 --> 09:26:10,000
Minima.

8702
09:26:10,000 --> 09:26:11,000
So.

8703
09:26:11,000 --> 09:26:14,000
Or what do you see 110 feet with community benefits with that?

8704
09:26:14,000 --> 09:26:16,000
110 feet with community benefits?

8705
09:26:16,000 --> 09:26:17,000
Yeah.

8706
09:26:17,000 --> 09:26:21,000
It's going to probably need to be about 110 feet if you're going to come and talk about the hotel.

8707
09:26:21,000 --> 09:26:22,000
Yeah.

8708
09:26:22,000 --> 09:26:26,000
If you're going to kind of play two main square feet of office, you've got to.

8709
09:26:26,000 --> 09:26:27,000
On the east side.

8710
09:26:27,000 --> 09:26:28,000
Please.

8711
09:26:29,000 --> 09:26:31,000
You're adding basically almost 10 percent.

8712
09:26:31,000 --> 09:26:33,000
And you need that open part of the motion, right?

8713
09:26:33,000 --> 09:26:34,000
Not just a trigger point.

8714
09:26:34,000 --> 09:26:35,000
Right.

8715
09:26:35,000 --> 09:26:36,000
It has to have it.

8716
09:26:36,000 --> 09:26:37,000
It has to have a maximum.

8717
09:26:37,000 --> 09:26:39,000
We're just trying to figure out what the cap is.

8718
09:26:39,000 --> 09:26:42,000
And we would recommend a cap for every site.

8719
09:26:42,000 --> 09:26:45,000
So that it's not on the minute.

8720
09:26:45,000 --> 09:26:46,000
Are we okay with the balance?

8721
09:26:46,000 --> 09:26:47,000
What?

8722
09:26:47,000 --> 09:26:48,000
No.

8723
09:26:48,000 --> 09:26:49,000
I don't know.

8724
09:26:49,000 --> 09:26:51,000
I mean, I hit the cap on the art thing.

8725
09:26:51,000 --> 09:26:52,000
What's that?

8726
09:26:52,000 --> 09:26:53,000
I'm sorry.

8727
09:26:53,000 --> 09:26:56,000
We have a fine arts commission that people have to do.

8728
09:26:56,000 --> 09:26:57,000
I don't know.

8729
09:26:57,000 --> 09:26:58,000
I don't know.

8730
09:26:58,000 --> 09:26:59,000
I don't know.

8731
09:26:59,000 --> 09:27:03,000
If you build a $2 billion building, you still only pay the same amount of somebody who builds a 5 million

8732
09:27:03,000 --> 09:27:04,000
dollar building.

8733
09:27:04,000 --> 09:27:10,000
No, when we said cap cap on maximum heights, that's what we're going to do.

8734
09:27:10,000 --> 09:27:11,000
We're just talking about cap.

8735
09:27:11,000 --> 09:27:12,000
I thought she meant maximum.

8736
09:27:12,000 --> 09:27:14,000
No, no, no, no.

8737
09:27:14,000 --> 09:27:16,000
We're talking about.

8738
09:27:16,000 --> 09:27:22,000
We can walk you through the recommended plan to say, these are the areas where the heights are over

8739
09:27:22,000 --> 09:27:24,000
and above the current general plan.

8740
09:27:24,000 --> 09:27:27,360
And you can tell us if you agree, okay, walk us through.

8741
09:27:27,360 --> 09:27:29,560
No, I don't want to go through it.

8742
09:27:29,560 --> 09:27:31,760
We have three locations only.

8743
09:27:31,760 --> 09:27:32,600
We have two.

8744
09:27:32,600 --> 09:27:35,080
If two, if we agreed on one, I'm not sure if we did a grand or not.

8745
09:27:35,080 --> 09:27:36,520
We've agreed on the hotel.

8746
09:27:36,520 --> 09:27:39,640
We've agreed on the Hamptons.

8747
09:27:39,640 --> 09:27:42,160
And then maybe, he has to agree on the hotel.

8748
09:27:42,160 --> 09:27:43,760
Or unless you, yeah.

8749
09:27:43,760 --> 09:27:46,640
I think there's three of us that did really tell.

8750
09:27:46,640 --> 09:27:51,120
But starting at what for the community benefit calculation

8751
09:27:51,120 --> 09:27:55,080
is my question, 90, 60.

8752
09:27:55,080 --> 09:28:01,600
I mean, to me, the community benefit spaked into that one.

8753
09:28:01,600 --> 09:28:02,600
Right.

8754
09:28:02,600 --> 09:28:03,720
No matter what, you can either build it.

8755
09:28:03,720 --> 09:28:06,040
You can either measure it later.

8756
09:28:06,040 --> 09:28:09,120
So we required them to put in a big conference room.

8757
09:28:09,120 --> 09:28:10,120
Yeah.

8758
09:28:10,120 --> 09:28:12,760
Do you want to take those requirements out and then call it a community benefit?

8759
09:28:12,760 --> 09:28:14,080
Or do you want to make them put it in?

8760
09:28:14,080 --> 09:28:15,080
Yeah.

8761
09:28:15,080 --> 09:28:17,320
I want to calculate it just like we do for any other project.

8762
09:28:17,320 --> 09:28:18,760
I don't know why we've make an exception.

8763
09:28:18,760 --> 09:28:19,760
No, I don't want to.

8764
09:28:19,760 --> 09:28:23,400
So they can come back and say the conference room is the community benefit.

8765
09:28:23,400 --> 09:28:24,400
All right.

8766
09:28:24,400 --> 09:28:25,800
But show us the pro-Farma.

8767
09:28:25,800 --> 09:28:32,240
Show us quantify that for us just as we would for any other body

8768
09:28:32,240 --> 09:28:35,520
that wants to come in with a height exception,

8769
09:28:35,520 --> 09:28:38,960
especially with this being sedarant all.

8770
09:28:38,960 --> 09:28:42,240
Comference room won't be the band of community benefit.

8771
09:28:42,240 --> 09:28:46,320
I'm not arguing about some error in what you think.

8772
09:28:46,320 --> 09:28:55,760
But to say this one is exceptional, seems to me to be inherently unfair and equitable.

8773
09:28:55,760 --> 09:29:00,080
We're doing something for one project that we would do for nobody else in town for what?

8774
09:29:00,080 --> 09:29:01,080
No, for anyone.

8775
09:29:01,080 --> 09:29:02,080
For some justification.

8776
09:29:02,080 --> 09:29:05,920
No, we've always talked about leading space when we do hotels.

8777
09:29:05,920 --> 09:29:06,920
Okay.

8778
09:29:06,920 --> 09:29:11,680
So why not quantify it as we were to community benefit from you people ask for any other project here?

8779
09:29:11,680 --> 09:29:12,680
So we would you?

8780
09:29:12,680 --> 09:29:13,680
That's all.

8781
09:29:13,680 --> 09:29:14,680
Yeah.

8782
09:29:14,680 --> 09:29:15,680
We would you.

8783
09:29:15,680 --> 09:29:17,000
We would make this more complicated.

8784
09:29:17,000 --> 09:29:18,000
I'm simply saying.

8785
09:29:18,000 --> 09:29:19,000
No.

8786
09:29:19,000 --> 09:29:20,000
I'm not.

8787
09:29:20,000 --> 09:29:21,000
I'm trying to make it right.

8788
09:29:21,000 --> 09:29:22,000
I'm trying to make it right.

8789
09:29:22,000 --> 09:29:27,000
I'm trying to have a uniform and fair standard.

8790
09:29:27,000 --> 09:29:28,000
And I don't.

8791
09:29:28,000 --> 09:29:31,600
You're trying to have a uniform standard, I'm not sure you're trying to have a fair standard.

8792
09:29:31,600 --> 09:29:32,600
Well, fair.

8793
09:29:32,600 --> 09:29:36,560
Fair in the sense that there's a calculation to go through.

8794
09:29:36,560 --> 09:29:44,000
And if our economic analysis shows that the conference center as proposed,

8795
09:29:44,880 --> 09:29:49,240
brings the community benefit that gets quantified by the added height.

8796
09:29:49,240 --> 09:29:50,080
Great.

8797
09:29:50,080 --> 09:29:53,520
Then that then we could enter a D.A. and do that.

8798
09:29:53,520 --> 09:29:55,760
Now, I'll explain why I have issues with this.

8799
09:29:55,760 --> 09:29:56,760
Okay.

8800
09:29:56,760 --> 09:29:59,520
So that's fine.

8801
09:29:59,520 --> 09:30:00,520
We'll tag it.

8802
09:30:00,000 --> 09:30:11,000
At 15%, everything over 45 feet. I'm good with that. So what's the community benefit? I think the community wants a big meeting space.

8803
09:30:11,000 --> 09:30:19,000
And I think the community wants a five-star hotel and to get the five-star hotel you had to add from 45 to 110 feet, which is clearly like half the cost of the hotel.

8804
09:30:19,000 --> 09:30:29,000
Therefore, done. So how do you qualify? So whatever somebody wants to call community benefit later, they can assign enough money to that to make it work.

8805
09:30:29,000 --> 09:30:42,000
Okay, but my point is there's a process in the community that we're going through a process that is quantified and not just trying to figure it out tonight.

8806
09:30:42,000 --> 09:30:52,000
That is, you know, it's gotta be done. I'm still, you still got the two and three million square feet of office, which I'm sort of the whole motion still in there.

8807
09:30:52,000 --> 09:31:03,000
So like I said, you're getting a no for me, so fire away. I'm not into building stuff.

8808
09:31:03,000 --> 09:31:08,000
So I always vote no on these things, and I don't take money from developers.

8809
09:31:08,000 --> 09:31:15,000
Okay, so the motion is 45 feet unless it's a community benefit.

8810
09:31:16,000 --> 09:31:23,000
Except for the handpins. I'm good with that. Except for the handpins.

8811
09:31:23,000 --> 09:31:30,000
The handpins, he's good with that. He could be, he's handed 110 feet.

8812
09:31:30,000 --> 09:31:33,000
No, no, no, no, no.

8813
09:31:33,000 --> 09:31:38,000
And the envelope is defined in the balance plan, right? The maximum of that week.

8814
09:31:38,000 --> 09:31:42,000
The maximum is defined in the balance plan.

8815
09:31:42,000 --> 09:31:46,000
So, but the standard is 45 with exactly that.

8816
09:31:46,000 --> 09:31:50,000
I would like to note that the balance plan has increased heights in a number of locations.

8817
09:31:50,000 --> 09:31:54,000
No, no, we're not understanding. It is only for the hand.

8818
09:31:54,000 --> 09:32:03,000
Okay, once again, everything heights as is except for the handpins, which he's proposing taking out the balance plan.

8819
09:32:03,000 --> 09:32:05,000
Okay, could we tune in?

8820
09:32:05,000 --> 09:32:08,000
At 110.

8821
09:32:08,000 --> 09:32:13,000
And other sites, because we've got to say, okay, we've set the floor at 45.

8822
09:32:13,000 --> 09:32:16,000
They're not just bear with me. Okay.

8823
09:32:16,000 --> 09:32:19,000
All of the heights stay the same as they currently are.

8824
09:32:19,000 --> 09:32:23,000
In other words, if they have 45, they're allowed to go to 65, whatever.

8825
09:32:23,000 --> 09:32:27,000
Anybody, what he's saying is anybody over 45, except the Hampton.

8826
09:32:27,000 --> 09:32:31,000
And then the question is, how many can they pay for?

8827
09:32:31,000 --> 09:32:33,000
We need that cap.

8828
09:32:33,000 --> 09:32:37,000
And I'm saying that's the balance plan.

8829
09:32:37,000 --> 09:32:39,000
How much? No, that's a height limit.

8830
09:32:39,000 --> 09:32:41,000
So that automatically covers that.

8831
09:32:41,000 --> 09:32:43,000
It's a height limit.

8832
09:32:43,000 --> 09:32:45,000
But that's only four of the Hamptons in the Caribbean.

8833
09:32:45,000 --> 09:32:46,000
No, no, no.

8834
09:32:46,000 --> 09:32:49,000
So we're saying if you have a community benefit, you can go above 45.

8835
09:32:49,000 --> 09:32:51,000
Let's take side X.

8836
09:32:51,000 --> 09:32:52,000
Right.

8837
09:32:52,000 --> 09:32:56,000
So what everybody said earlier was there was only two sites.

8838
09:32:56,000 --> 09:32:58,000
And maybe a third that they wanted to go over the current height limit.

8839
09:32:58,000 --> 09:32:59,000
Correct.

8840
09:32:59,000 --> 09:33:00,000
So you're not.

8841
09:33:00,000 --> 09:33:02,000
There's a whole bunch of things in here that go higher.

8842
09:33:02,000 --> 09:33:03,000
Tons.

8843
09:33:03,000 --> 09:33:05,000
No, I think there's a bunch of applicants that would likely go higher.

8844
09:33:05,000 --> 09:33:08,000
And maybe come in with a community benefit.

8845
09:33:08,000 --> 09:33:10,000
I know you think that.

8846
09:33:10,000 --> 09:33:14,000
But what I heard was that only the two and maybe the third site was this group

8847
09:33:14,000 --> 09:33:15,000
Considering going high.

8848
09:33:15,000 --> 09:33:16,000
I don't know.

8849
09:33:16,000 --> 09:33:18,000
No, that's not.

8850
09:33:18,000 --> 09:33:19,000
So what?

8851
09:33:19,000 --> 09:33:20,000
I'll ask.

8852
09:33:20,000 --> 09:33:21,000
So you want to let everybody build in the sky?

8853
09:33:21,000 --> 09:33:22,000
No, no.

8854
09:33:22,000 --> 09:33:25,000
What Rod is saying is there's two there's two things.

8855
09:33:25,000 --> 09:33:32,000
If you have a trigger point of 45 that implied and you say you can go higher.

8856
09:33:32,000 --> 09:33:35,000
Now what you need to say, what does higher mean?

8857
09:33:35,000 --> 09:33:37,000
You can't say it's 45.

8858
09:33:37,000 --> 09:33:38,000
Okay.

8859
09:33:38,000 --> 09:33:42,000
In the current general plan is a bunch of sites that have 45.

8860
09:33:42,000 --> 09:33:43,000
When you can go higher.

8861
09:33:43,000 --> 09:33:44,000
If you have a retail component.

8862
09:33:44,000 --> 09:33:45,000
Right.

8863
09:33:45,000 --> 09:33:47,000
There's North Falco, which has a 60.

8864
09:33:47,000 --> 09:33:48,000
And then there would be the Hamptons.

8865
09:33:48,000 --> 09:33:51,000
And it could be 10 at land that would all be higher.

8866
09:33:51,000 --> 09:33:52,000
Okay.

8867
09:33:52,000 --> 09:33:53,000
That's not.

8868
09:33:53,000 --> 09:33:54,000
Well, I thought the balance.

8869
09:33:54,000 --> 09:33:58,000
The balance plan was a whole bunch of other things that can go higher, which we've never discussed.

8870
09:33:58,000 --> 09:33:59,000
No, no.

8871
09:33:59,000 --> 09:34:00,000
Are there.

8872
09:34:00,000 --> 09:34:04,000
I thought there were other things in the existing general plan where you go higher with retail.

8873
09:34:04,000 --> 09:34:05,000
There's a bunch of.

8874
09:34:05,000 --> 09:34:07,000
There's a bunch of things that are 45.

8875
09:34:07,000 --> 09:34:10,000
And you can go 60 with a real component.

8876
09:34:10,000 --> 09:34:13,000
So those are not the ones in the balance plan.

8877
09:34:13,000 --> 09:34:14,000
You keep a frame.

8878
09:34:14,000 --> 09:34:16,000
There's a whole bunch of other things that aren't in the current general plan.

8879
09:34:16,000 --> 09:34:17,000
No, no, no.

8880
09:34:17,000 --> 09:34:20,000
If that's in the, if that's an existing general plan, then those are the final.

8881
09:34:20,000 --> 09:34:22,000
If there's just caps in there, that's fine.

8882
09:34:22,000 --> 09:34:23,000
There are.

8883
09:34:23,000 --> 09:34:24,000
There's 45.

8884
09:34:24,000 --> 09:34:25,000
You've got a 60 with retail.

8885
09:34:25,000 --> 09:34:27,000
So you're changing the retail component out to the.

8886
09:34:27,000 --> 09:34:30,000
But you can refer to a balance plan.

8887
09:34:30,000 --> 09:34:31,000
We did not prove the balance.

8888
09:34:31,000 --> 09:34:32,000
No, no.

8889
09:34:32,000 --> 09:34:33,000
I'm not.

8890
09:34:33,000 --> 09:34:34,000
I'm not.

8891
09:34:34,000 --> 09:34:35,000
I'm not.

8892
09:34:35,000 --> 09:34:36,000
Right.

8893
09:34:36,000 --> 09:34:37,000
Why keep back going back to the balance.

8894
09:34:37,000 --> 09:34:38,000
Because there's no majority.

8895
09:34:38,000 --> 09:34:40,000
Because it's almost five o'clock in the morning.

8896
09:34:40,000 --> 09:34:41,000
It was fired.

8897
09:34:41,000 --> 09:34:44,000
Well, we, we do have the, we almost have.

8898
09:34:44,000 --> 09:34:45,000
We might have a majority.

8899
09:34:45,000 --> 09:34:46,000
Right.

8900
09:34:46,000 --> 09:34:47,000
We're very close.

8901
09:34:47,000 --> 09:34:48,000
I didn't say that.

8902
09:34:48,000 --> 09:34:49,000
I said, he said, why are you going back?

8903
09:34:49,000 --> 09:34:50,000
And I say, because it's late.

8904
09:34:50,000 --> 09:34:51,000
No, he said, why go back.

8905
09:34:51,000 --> 09:34:52,000
We're going to have a majority.

8906
09:34:52,000 --> 09:34:53,000
So.

8907
09:34:53,000 --> 09:34:54,000
Okay.

8908
09:34:54,000 --> 09:34:56,000
So if the motion is the existing general plan.

8909
09:34:56,000 --> 09:34:59,000
But we're, but we're, we're substituting.

8910
09:34:59,000 --> 09:35:02,000
But the other reason was that was a balanced plan.

8911
09:35:02,000 --> 09:35:04,000
And then it, for if I feel it could be better.

8912
09:35:04,000 --> 09:35:05,000
There's no balance.

8913
09:35:05,000 --> 09:35:06,000
No, right.

8914
09:35:06,000 --> 09:35:10,000
The original proposed motion was the existing general plan with additional heights for the

8915
09:35:10,000 --> 09:35:11,000
Hampton's and the.

8916
09:35:12,000 --> 09:35:15,000
That was a balanced plan with the exception of those two or three sites.

8917
09:35:15,000 --> 09:35:16,000
The original motion.

8918
09:35:16,000 --> 09:35:17,000
The original motion was.

8919
09:35:17,000 --> 09:35:18,000
Yeah.

8920
09:35:18,000 --> 09:35:19,000
The original motion was.

8921
09:35:19,000 --> 09:35:20,000
Yeah.

8922
09:35:20,000 --> 09:35:21,000
Rod.

8923
09:35:21,000 --> 09:35:22,000
That will do that.

8924
09:35:22,000 --> 09:35:23,000
So.

8925
09:35:23,000 --> 09:35:24,000
We will pass their vote.

8926
09:35:24,000 --> 09:35:26,000
Well, I mean.

8927
09:35:26,000 --> 09:35:31,000
Currently in the city, there's no place where we can build over 60 feet.

8928
09:35:31,000 --> 09:35:32,000
Is that correct?

8929
09:35:32,000 --> 09:35:34,000
Right.

8930
09:35:34,000 --> 09:35:40,000
My belief is there places in the city that are going to need more than 60.

8931
09:35:41,000 --> 09:35:43,000
We've talked about some of them.

8932
09:35:43,000 --> 09:35:46,000
You talked about the business park.

8933
09:35:46,000 --> 09:35:47,000
Right.

8934
09:35:47,000 --> 09:35:52,000
And we imagine that Valco is going to need more than 60.

8935
09:35:52,000 --> 09:35:56,000
Yeah.

8936
09:35:56,000 --> 09:36:01,000
So I'm generally okay with considering.

8937
09:36:01,000 --> 09:36:07,000
Caps that are referred to in the balanced plan.

8938
09:36:07,000 --> 09:36:12,000
But with a floor with community benefit starting at 45.

8939
09:36:12,000 --> 09:36:13,000
Okay.

8940
09:36:13,000 --> 09:36:14,000
That's my motion.

8941
09:36:14,000 --> 09:36:15,000
Yeah.

8942
09:36:15,000 --> 09:36:16,000
Okay.

8943
09:36:16,000 --> 09:36:17,000
With that now.

8944
09:36:17,000 --> 09:36:18,000
So Hampton's being an exception.

8945
09:36:18,000 --> 09:36:20,000
So people come in here and want to lynch you guys for a retock.

8946
09:36:20,000 --> 09:36:21,000
I'm going on a couple of space.

8947
09:36:21,000 --> 09:36:22,000
There's like a halt.

8948
09:36:22,000 --> 09:36:25,000
Do you know how many things you just increased the potential heights on?

8949
09:36:25,000 --> 09:36:26,000
With that motion.

8950
09:36:26,000 --> 09:36:27,000
Let's talk about them.

8951
09:36:27,000 --> 09:36:28,000
Okay.

8952
09:36:28,000 --> 09:36:30,000
Let's talk about them.

8953
09:36:30,000 --> 09:36:31,000
Okay.

8954
09:36:31,000 --> 09:36:32,000
Here's the first one.

8955
09:36:32,000 --> 09:36:34,000
The Oaks go to 60.

8956
09:36:35,000 --> 09:36:37,000
North Crossroads can go to 60.

8957
09:36:37,000 --> 09:36:40,000
City Center can now go to 75.

8958
09:36:40,000 --> 09:36:42,000
South Falco can go to 75.

8959
09:36:42,000 --> 09:36:43,000
I'm writing you the planning commission.

8960
09:36:43,000 --> 09:36:45,000
Go to for none of these.

8961
09:36:45,000 --> 09:36:49,000
So this one city center starts with 45 now.

8962
09:36:49,000 --> 09:36:50,000
Right.

8963
09:36:50,000 --> 09:36:51,000
Right.

8964
09:36:51,000 --> 09:36:52,000
You can go to 90.

8965
09:36:52,000 --> 09:36:53,000
So you can change that.

8966
09:36:53,000 --> 09:36:54,000
In the balanced plan.

8967
09:36:54,000 --> 09:36:55,000
You can go to 90.

8968
09:36:55,000 --> 09:36:56,000
North.

8969
09:36:56,000 --> 09:36:57,000
Well, no.

8970
09:36:57,000 --> 09:36:58,000
I'm sorry.

8971
09:36:58,000 --> 09:36:59,000
Okay.

8972
09:36:59,000 --> 09:37:00,000
So I would like to balance points.

8973
09:37:00,000 --> 09:37:01,000
The two are substituting.

8974
09:37:01,000 --> 09:37:03,000
Now we're going to benefit for retail.

8975
09:37:03,000 --> 09:37:04,000
We're not adding it on.

8976
09:37:04,000 --> 09:37:05,000
Right.

8977
09:37:05,000 --> 09:37:06,000
So what would we understand?

8978
09:37:06,000 --> 09:37:07,000
The same is B.

8979
09:37:07,000 --> 09:37:09,000
The maximum heights are in the balanced plan.

8980
09:37:09,000 --> 09:37:10,000
It's bigger.

8981
09:37:10,000 --> 09:37:11,000
Without.

8982
09:37:11,000 --> 09:37:13,000
Take out the retail wording.

8983
09:37:13,000 --> 09:37:16,000
And then the base height is 45.

8984
09:37:16,000 --> 09:37:19,000
And anything above that to the maximum height needs a community benefit.

8985
09:37:19,000 --> 09:37:21,000
That's what it's calculated.

8986
09:37:21,000 --> 09:37:24,000
So in the in the example of city center.

8987
09:37:24,000 --> 09:37:26,000
They can go to 90.

8988
09:37:26,000 --> 09:37:29,000
But the community benefits start from 45 to 90.

8989
09:37:29,000 --> 09:37:31,000
Anything above 45 requires a community.

8990
09:37:31,000 --> 09:37:33,000
And again, this is not a entitlement.

8991
09:37:33,000 --> 09:37:34,000
Right.

8992
09:37:34,000 --> 09:37:35,000
They've got to come with a specific.

8993
09:37:35,000 --> 09:37:36,000
No.

8994
09:37:36,000 --> 09:37:37,000
The base height.

8995
09:37:37,000 --> 09:37:38,000
They're allowed to 45.

8996
09:37:38,000 --> 09:37:39,000
Right.

8997
09:37:39,000 --> 09:37:40,000
And they can only go up.

8998
09:37:40,000 --> 09:37:41,000
If that's an option.

8999
09:37:41,000 --> 09:37:43,000
The council can pick if they like the community benefits.

9000
09:37:43,000 --> 09:37:45,000
Let me hear 45.

9001
09:37:45,000 --> 09:37:47,000
Now you want to change it to.

9002
09:37:47,000 --> 09:37:49,000
Same is B, which is now 60.

9003
09:37:49,000 --> 09:37:50,000
Or 75.

9004
09:37:50,000 --> 09:37:51,000
No.

9005
09:37:51,000 --> 09:37:52,000
No.

9006
09:37:52,000 --> 09:37:53,000
No.

9007
09:37:53,000 --> 09:37:55,000
The 45 is 45.

9008
09:37:55,000 --> 09:37:56,000
It's 45.

9009
09:37:56,000 --> 09:37:57,000
Everything's 45.

9010
09:37:57,000 --> 09:37:59,000
It currently has to maximum height to 45.

9011
09:37:59,000 --> 09:38:01,000
And it's going to go to 90.

9012
09:38:01,000 --> 09:38:02,000
No.

9013
09:38:02,000 --> 09:38:03,000
I'm just 20.

9014
09:38:03,000 --> 09:38:04,000
Guys.

9015
09:38:04,000 --> 09:38:05,000
45 is the.

9016
09:38:05,000 --> 09:38:06,000
I don't know.

9017
09:38:06,000 --> 09:38:07,000
No.

9018
09:38:07,000 --> 09:38:11,000
You said you want to go with the balance plan for the cap.

9019
09:38:11,000 --> 09:38:12,000
Right.

9020
09:38:12,000 --> 09:38:15,000
Which are huge numbers compared to what the currently are all across the map of the city.

9021
09:38:15,000 --> 09:38:16,000
I know it's late.

9022
09:38:16,000 --> 09:38:18,000
I think Rock was okay with the balance plan.

9023
09:38:18,000 --> 09:38:20,000
Because we need to get to move rock.

9024
09:38:20,000 --> 09:38:22,000
So balance plan will be the other thing that he said.

9025
09:38:22,000 --> 09:38:25,000
Well, kind of which the public wants these meetings.

9026
09:38:25,000 --> 09:38:28,000
I mean, they're like.

9027
09:38:28,000 --> 09:38:29,000
We're really good.

9028
09:38:29,000 --> 09:38:30,000
You want to say about.

9029
09:38:30,000 --> 09:38:31,000
I mean, you want to just.

9030
09:38:31,000 --> 09:38:33,000
Well, I always hope that the balance plan going forward.

9031
09:38:33,000 --> 09:38:34,000
Before the morning.

9032
09:38:34,000 --> 09:38:36,000
You know.

9033
09:38:36,000 --> 09:38:40,000
I believe in places like Valco.

9034
09:38:40,000 --> 09:38:43,000
That we're going to need more than 60 feet.

9035
09:38:43,000 --> 09:38:51,000
So I'm okay with a development agreement that lets us negotiate to.

9036
09:38:51,000 --> 09:38:54,000
What has been presented in the balance plan.

9037
09:38:54,000 --> 09:38:58,000
That's not to say that we're going to approve any project.

9038
09:38:58,000 --> 09:39:00,000
But it says that we have.

9039
09:39:00,000 --> 09:39:02,000
We will calculate.

9040
09:39:02,000 --> 09:39:06,000
The community benefit and then decide we might decide that.

9041
09:39:06,000 --> 09:39:09,000
You know, we don't want 90 feet in a certain location.

9042
09:39:09,000 --> 09:39:12,000
We're willing to negotiate to 75.

9043
09:39:12,000 --> 09:39:13,000
But I think that.

9044
09:39:13,000 --> 09:39:14,000
The.

9045
09:39:14,000 --> 09:39:17,000
Agreement gives us the flexibility to do that.

9046
09:39:17,000 --> 09:39:18,000
Right.

9047
09:39:18,000 --> 09:39:20,000
So the development agreement gives us the flexibility.

9048
09:39:20,000 --> 09:39:21,000
I'm there.

9049
09:39:21,000 --> 09:39:22,000
Yeah.

9050
09:39:22,000 --> 09:39:23,000
So that's what on it.

9051
09:39:23,000 --> 09:39:24,000
But I'm just.

9052
09:39:24,000 --> 09:39:25,000
I just.

9053
09:39:25,000 --> 09:39:28,000
My only interest right isn't getting 45.

9054
09:39:28,000 --> 09:39:31,000
I'm getting community benefit above 45.

9055
09:39:31,000 --> 09:39:32,000
Right.

9056
09:39:32,000 --> 09:39:33,000
Okay.

9057
09:39:33,000 --> 09:39:34,000
We're there.

9058
09:39:34,000 --> 09:39:35,000
I think.

9059
09:39:35,000 --> 09:39:36,000
Right.

9060
09:39:36,000 --> 09:39:37,000
I think so.

9061
09:39:37,000 --> 09:39:38,000
Is this still accept the Hamptons.

9062
09:39:38,000 --> 09:39:39,000
Yeah.

9063
09:39:39,000 --> 09:39:40,000
Okay.

9064
09:39:40,000 --> 09:39:41,000
Hamptons in the hotel.

9065
09:39:41,000 --> 09:39:42,000
No.

9066
09:39:42,000 --> 09:39:43,000
Well, yeah.

9067
09:39:43,000 --> 09:39:44,000
For Valco.

9068
09:39:44,000 --> 09:39:45,000
Another option.

9069
09:39:45,000 --> 09:39:48,000
Just to set the height through the specific plan and not try to figure it out.

9070
09:39:49,000 --> 09:39:52,000
And set the base of 45 in community benefit between that.

9071
09:39:52,000 --> 09:39:53,000
Whatever is the plan.

9072
09:39:53,000 --> 09:39:54,000
That's fine.

9073
09:39:54,000 --> 09:39:56,000
The only thing we set is the Hamptons.

9074
09:39:56,000 --> 09:39:58,000
I don't think we did accept the hotel.

9075
09:39:58,000 --> 09:40:01,000
I don't think the hotel needs to stay in the 45 for you.

9076
09:40:01,000 --> 09:40:02,000
Right.

9077
09:40:02,000 --> 09:40:03,000
Yeah.

9078
09:40:03,000 --> 09:40:04,000
Okay.

9079
09:40:04,000 --> 09:40:05,000
There's no.

9080
09:40:05,000 --> 09:40:06,000
I mean.

9081
09:40:06,000 --> 09:40:08,000
It's going to have a community benefit.

9082
09:40:08,000 --> 09:40:10,000
And it's got to be on a five and justified.

9083
09:40:10,000 --> 09:40:11,000
And it's 45.

9084
09:40:11,000 --> 09:40:12,000
The matter of a nine.

9085
09:40:12,000 --> 09:40:13,000
I have trouble.

9086
09:40:13,000 --> 09:40:14,000
I have trouble.

9087
09:40:14,000 --> 09:40:15,000
So I have trouble.

9088
09:40:15,000 --> 09:40:16,000
It's not the hotel.

9089
09:40:17,000 --> 09:40:18,000
Well, you may have trouble.

9090
09:40:18,000 --> 09:40:19,000
But if you want to get a vote here.

9091
09:40:19,000 --> 09:40:20,000
Let's do it.

9092
09:40:20,000 --> 09:40:21,000
No.

9093
09:40:21,000 --> 09:40:22,000
Thank you.

9094
09:40:22,000 --> 09:40:23,000
I'm talking.

9095
09:40:23,000 --> 09:40:24,000
Keep on.

9096
09:40:24,000 --> 09:40:25,000
We're not going to get there.

9097
09:40:25,000 --> 09:40:27,000
And just continue.

9098
09:40:27,000 --> 09:40:28,000
No.

9099
09:40:28,000 --> 09:40:31,000
You guys still realize that you're changing the max.

9100
09:40:31,000 --> 09:40:33,000
I understand it has to be a benefit.

9101
09:40:33,000 --> 09:40:35,000
But you're changing the maximum height.

9102
09:40:35,000 --> 09:40:36,000
I just about everything.

9103
09:40:36,000 --> 09:40:37,000
We understand.

9104
09:40:37,000 --> 09:40:40,000
So what we're talking about now is the height of the thinking first.

9105
09:40:40,000 --> 09:40:43,000
So I call for the point of order.

9106
09:40:43,000 --> 09:40:44,000
And almost five o'clock.

9107
09:40:44,000 --> 09:40:46,000
Let's bow down and please.

9108
09:40:46,000 --> 09:40:47,000
Okay.

9109
09:40:47,000 --> 09:40:49,000
Are you okay with the hotel also?

9110
09:40:49,000 --> 09:40:50,000
Everything.

9111
09:40:50,000 --> 09:40:54,000
You know right now there's a reception in the hampton.

9112
09:40:54,000 --> 09:40:55,000
It's not everything.

9113
09:40:55,000 --> 09:40:56,000
I know.

9114
09:40:56,000 --> 09:40:57,000
Do you accept you know Hampton?

9115
09:40:57,000 --> 09:40:58,000
Yes.

9116
09:40:58,000 --> 09:40:59,000
And then everything.

9117
09:40:59,000 --> 09:41:00,000
Yes.

9118
09:41:00,000 --> 09:41:01,000
Everything.

9119
09:41:01,000 --> 09:41:02,000
Okay.

9120
09:41:02,000 --> 09:41:03,000
I got cut in.

9121
09:41:03,000 --> 09:41:04,000
To it.

9122
09:41:04,000 --> 09:41:05,000
So have to anchor it in.

9123
09:41:05,000 --> 09:41:06,000
Okay.

9124
09:41:06,000 --> 09:41:07,000
That's what Barry said.

9125
09:41:07,000 --> 09:41:08,000
Somebody.

9126
09:41:08,000 --> 09:41:09,000
Yes.

9127
09:41:09,000 --> 09:41:10,000
No.

9128
09:41:10,000 --> 09:41:11,000
Hampton.

9129
09:41:11,000 --> 09:41:12,000
The reception.

9130
09:41:12,000 --> 09:41:13,000
The rest of them is included.

9131
09:41:13,000 --> 09:41:15,000
The rest of them are in the rest of my community benefits.

9132
09:41:15,000 --> 09:41:16,000
Yeah.

9133
09:41:16,000 --> 09:41:17,000
For five.

9134
09:41:17,000 --> 09:41:18,000
That's what I see.

9135
09:41:18,000 --> 09:41:19,000
We have three votes.

9136
09:41:19,000 --> 09:41:20,000
So you need my vote.

9137
09:41:20,000 --> 09:41:21,000
All right.

9138
09:41:21,000 --> 09:41:22,000
Good.

9139
09:41:22,000 --> 09:41:23,000
You really want to vote.

9140
09:41:23,000 --> 09:41:24,000
No one is over that.

9141
09:41:24,000 --> 09:41:25,000
But that's okay.

9142
09:41:25,000 --> 09:41:28,000
Make your decision.

9143
09:41:28,000 --> 09:41:29,000
You got it.

9144
09:41:29,000 --> 09:41:30,000
You got it.

9145
09:41:30,000 --> 09:41:31,000
You got it.

9146
09:41:31,000 --> 09:41:32,000
No.

9147
09:41:32,000 --> 09:41:33,000
I did.

9148
09:41:33,000 --> 09:41:34,000
It's the start.

9149
09:41:34,000 --> 09:41:35,000
Can we start?

9150
09:41:35,000 --> 09:41:36,000
Please.

9151
09:41:36,000 --> 09:41:37,000
Time down.

9152
09:41:37,000 --> 09:41:39,000
I must have time out after two hours.

9153
09:41:39,000 --> 09:41:40,000
Something.

9154
09:41:40,000 --> 09:41:41,000
Okay.

9155
09:41:41,000 --> 09:41:50,000
Okay.

9156
09:41:50,000 --> 09:41:54,000
Okay.

9157
09:41:54,000 --> 09:41:55,000
Okay.

9158
09:41:55,000 --> 09:41:58,000
So the C attorney wants me to make a motion.

9159
09:41:58,000 --> 09:42:00,000
I moved the C council meeting to be adjourned.

9160
09:42:00,000 --> 09:42:02,000
To November 18th to 645 PM.

9161
09:42:02,000 --> 09:42:05,000
At this location for continued public hearing consideration.

9162
09:42:05,000 --> 09:42:07,000
Delirition and decision.

9163
09:42:07,000 --> 09:42:13,000
On all Mayors listed on the number 10th 2014 agenda for all others businesses as listed

9164
09:42:13,000 --> 09:42:14,000
in the agenda.

9165
09:42:14,000 --> 09:42:15,000
Do I have a second?

9166
09:42:15,000 --> 09:42:16,000
So when is that?

9167
09:42:16,000 --> 09:42:18,000
That's our Tuesday regular meeting.

9168
09:42:18,000 --> 09:42:20,000
The Tuesday regular second.

9169
09:42:20,000 --> 09:42:22,000
Next week.

9170
09:42:22,000 --> 09:42:23,000
Correct.

9171
09:42:23,000 --> 09:42:25,000
Can you read that again?

9172
09:42:25,000 --> 09:42:27,000
I moved the C council meeting.

9173
09:42:27,000 --> 09:42:28,000
This is from C attorney.

9174
09:42:28,000 --> 09:42:29,000
I moved the C council meeting.

9175
09:42:29,000 --> 09:42:32,000
The adjourned to November 18th 2014.

9176
09:42:32,000 --> 09:42:35,000
I moved the C council meeting to be adjourned to November 18th.

9177
09:42:35,000 --> 09:42:41,000
She offered a 645 at this location for continued public hearing consideration.

9178
09:42:41,000 --> 09:42:43,000
Delirition and decision.

9179
09:42:43,000 --> 09:42:47,000
On all Mayors listed on the number 10th 2014 agenda.

9180
09:42:47,000 --> 09:42:50,000
And for all other businesses as listed in the agenda.

9181
09:42:50,000 --> 09:42:52,000
I'll second that.

9182
09:42:52,000 --> 09:42:53,000
I think I read.

9183
09:42:53,000 --> 09:42:54,000
For the loss of the attorney.

9184
09:42:54,000 --> 09:42:58,000
Does that mean we have to take public end but again?

9185
09:42:58,000 --> 09:43:01,000
If you close the public hearing.

9186
09:43:01,000 --> 09:43:02,000
If you close the public hearing.

9187
09:43:02,000 --> 09:43:04,000
I think you have you have to reopen it.

9188
09:43:04,000 --> 09:43:06,000
And I'll be a council action.

9189
09:43:06,000 --> 09:43:10,000
We will take one night when we can be in the meeting.

9190
09:43:10,000 --> 09:43:12,000
Yeah, we take public hearing first.

9191
09:43:12,000 --> 09:43:13,000
Again, if you.

9192
09:43:13,000 --> 09:43:14,000
Okay.

9193
09:43:14,000 --> 09:43:15,000
I'm good.

9194
09:43:15,000 --> 09:43:16,000
I'm hoping they'll come and talk about the heights.

9195
09:43:16,000 --> 09:43:17,000
Everybody, please.

9196
09:43:17,000 --> 09:43:18,000
Shall we?

9197
09:43:18,000 --> 09:43:19,000
Do we do we do not?

9198
09:43:19,000 --> 09:43:20,000
If there are three votes.

9199
09:43:20,000 --> 09:43:22,000
For council to reopen the public hearing.

9200
09:43:22,000 --> 09:43:23,000
Then you do if there are not three votes.

9201
09:43:23,000 --> 09:43:24,000
And you don't.

9202
09:43:24,000 --> 09:43:25,000
No, no.

9203
09:43:25,000 --> 09:43:26,000
We adjourn the meeting.

9204
09:43:26,000 --> 09:43:27,000
We're just a new adjourned item.

9205
09:43:27,000 --> 09:43:29,000
So I believe they have a right-hand public input.

9206
09:43:29,000 --> 09:43:30,000
Correct.

9207
09:43:30,000 --> 09:43:31,000
Check it.

9208
09:43:31,000 --> 09:43:32,000
You'll be clarified with the state attorney.

9209
09:43:32,000 --> 09:43:33,000
I'll check the state attorney.

9210
09:43:33,000 --> 09:43:34,000
She would indicate before she left it.

9211
09:43:34,000 --> 09:43:38,000
No, that would require council to reopen the public hearing.

9212
09:43:38,000 --> 09:43:39,000
She already closed it.

9213
09:43:39,000 --> 09:43:41,000
Because we closed it.

9214
09:43:41,000 --> 09:43:42,000
Right.

9215
09:43:42,000 --> 09:43:43,000
I'll check.

9216
09:43:43,000 --> 09:43:44,000
That's what she said.

9217
09:43:44,000 --> 09:43:45,000
Yeah, no.

9218
09:43:45,000 --> 09:43:46,000
You're closing.

9219
09:43:46,000 --> 09:43:47,000
Make sure we do it right.

9220
09:43:47,000 --> 09:43:48,000
Whatever that is.

9221
09:43:48,000 --> 09:43:49,000
Okay.

9222
09:43:49,000 --> 09:43:50,000
Please vote your lights.

9223
09:43:50,000 --> 09:43:51,000
Please bring out the screen.

9224
09:43:51,000 --> 09:43:52,000
No.

9225
09:43:55,000 --> 09:43:57,000
Motion carries.

9226
09:43:57,000 --> 09:43:58,000
To adjourn.

9227
09:43:58,000 --> 09:43:59,000
So I go ahead and move to adjourn.

9228
09:43:59,000 --> 09:44:00,000
The meeting to number 1865.

9229
09:44:00,000 --> 09:44:04,000
That's a record.

9230
09:44:58,000 --> 09:45:00,000
Thank you.