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all right let's begin with a roll call
Mr Gary Libby here Mr Robert Ellis here
Mr Gary
kopos Mr Vernon weatherholt here miss
Helen humph here Miss Amy pile here Mr
William bidor here Mr Raymond M here
excellent all right now that we have
that done let's all stand and do our
Pledge of
Allegiance un States of
America the for it stands one
nation indivisible liy and justice for
all
amen
yes all right now we're going to go to
approval of our previous meetings
minutes it appears that we have two here
uh one for June 12th and one for August
14th I'll move approval of the June 12th
do we have a second second all those in
favor of approving our June 12th meeting
minutes say I I I all those opposed
seeing none that's approved uh now move
on to our August 14th meeting approval
do we have a motion I'll so move
approval second all those in favor hi hi
all those opposed seeing none we move
forward and could I mention minutes were
terrific that was a tough meeting to do
minutes for and I salute you and you got
the colonels of everything that was
going on and very very well done thank
you
for she did a great job do we have a
police report for let's go a can we go
ahead and get that out of the way before
we do staff and everything you guys good
with that you come on
up she's a good
cop everyone hello hello hello you
haven't met I'm Lieutenant Burns I cover
the uh District 2 the East Side uh for
Daytona Beach Police
Department um for the last two weeks
we've had
1,774 calls 315 reports 44 felony
arrests 93 misdemeanor arrests 412
traffic stops 323 citations from those
traffic stops
355 um field interview cards
and 42 courtesy cards 29 toad Vehicles
43 vehicle crashes three were DUI
arrests 24 city ordinance violations and
19 arrests for trespassing or Park rule
violations wow um 24 arrests were made
for domestic related offenses in our
district there were four aggravated
assault incidents all of which were
cleared by arrest there were five
burglaries um three of which were
cleared by arrest four car brakes and
one of those was cleared by arrest three
stolen vehicles one of those was
recovered and um there were no robberies
last two weeks so that's really good um
we have officers that continue to check
under the uh Bridges and through the
city parks and they we we did 32 arrests
for that um in Jackie Robinson we've
been focusing there and there were 11
arrests made there
and every weekend we hire overtime for
the seab breze corridor the bar area and
during this time we had 37 calls five
reports 94 traffic stops 77 citations 10
parking violations um three felony
arrests actually one of those uh
resulted I think in two recovered guns
uh 15 G of cocaine and 13 G of marijuana
and that was one of our sergeants that
was on over time over there so that was
a really good one um we had that felony
arrest we also picked up um one of our
detectives also picked up a wanted
person who uh is a violent criminal
picked him up on seab breze as well uh I
think that might have been two weekends
ago um so they're really active out
there on the weekends and uh hopefully
we're making something kind of
difference out there so um we're right
now planning or at least preparing for a
possible truck October uh event and then
uh biketober
Fest is that sanctioned the truck to
test I don't believe so so it's just a
potential one we're not sure because of
Pas times um we're just kind of planning
for it in case it pops up who covers
that Val uh valusa County the sheriff's
no on the beach oh on the beach is the
sheriff yes MH up on land is up even if
it's not sanctioned they will yeah just
Patrol is normal than as soon as well as
soon as the sheriff puts out that
warning now the um how they can have
their trucks like if it's an event a
popup event where everything is enhanced
it usually it usually stops it from
happening absolutely that'll probably
happen in this one hopefully thank you
MH uh from what I've seen seab Bree has
had a very positive impact since you
know Kudos did the police department
doing a great job I think that the
cameras are helping a lot because it's
really on the minds of the criminals
they've actually complained about it I
run a sober house in Pearson I run a
sohouse and Pearson also and they're
complaining about like I don't want to
sell drugs in Daytona because they got
cameras that's great go somewhere else I
have to tell you those cameras from my
perspective are fantastic whoever idea
that was it was
amazing our
commissioner stck we had the a potential
um
situation over on the West Side still
being investigated so I don't want to
talk about too much but it started over
on seab breze and we were able to track
because of the cameras we can track the
person's every movement and identify and
then we have um other things that we can
focus on to identify people so those
cameras are amazing what what I'm trying
to do on uh and Cuda is on South Grand
View because there was like a major Pro
everybody was parking in front of and that got taken care of and it um
it's going to slow down a little bit I'm
working along with the city I'm putting
cameras up there on South gra View and
across East ISB so so that way I don't
know how I get those to the police
department we'll have to figure that out
it's great it's great those cameras are
doing amazing it really does yes and I
want to commend you we have cameras all
over my business we had no problems but
at night one night we did have a group
that moved in and thought they could
just live there yes ma'am and I called
came immediately I love that thank you for that thank
you does anybody else have any other
questions comments no oh all right all
right thank you thank you for having me
thank you thank you thank you you're
welcome thank you all right now we have
a commercial property Improvement
funding request for is this for 615 Main
Street or 614 cuz I saw both 615 and 614
both okay that's what I thought was I'm
sure um Mr chairman for the record Mr um
kopulos is present y he sure
is um good evening I'm Angela amstrong
project manager for the Main Street and
South Atlantic CRA and tonight I'm going
to present item number six which is the
commercial property Improvement funding
request for 615 Main Street
Mr Tom guest applicant and owner
representative is requesting the
Redevelopment board to approve the
request for funding through the 0%
interest loan commercial Improvement
incentive
program the property is located at 615
Main Street between white Olive and
South o Leander
Street review of and the decision on the
commercial incentive application shall
be based on the following
preconditions is it a conforming use the
subject property is in the rdv2
Redevelopment bite specialty retail
zoning District which allows retail
sales and services as a principal use
this property is a conforming use within
the zoning District does the property
have any delinquent adalan taxes or
Municipal of County Lans a staff has not
found any delinquent ad Balor taxes or
County Lans on this
property how the project will contribute
to the elimination or prevention of a
slum and bl this subject property is in
one of our core areas the applicant is
proposing the the replacement of all 34
is 34 or 39 Windows to bring the bu
building into
compliance and this is a picture of the
building as you can see um the windows
have been never changed and um you know
it's causing every time it rains it has
um leaking through the window so they
need to change
it this is another side of the
building those are the windows that
needs to to be
changed these will all be impact Windows
correct yes
okay if F staff recommends approval of
the commercial Improvement grant for 615
Main Street in the amount not to exceed
$50,000 a majority vote by the Vite
Redevelopment board members present and
voting is required to recommend approval
to the Comm City commission the
applicant is here if you have any
questions you can um I know that we have
on the pipeline more Improvement to this
building but this is the first um the
first one because it's most needed on
the building that was going to be my
first question yeah I answered that then
um do you know are is there going to be
Central HVAC or after the windows go in
are they going to be open with uh window
shakers gu
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Mr chairman members of the board City
staff uh I'm Tom guest uh uh and I'm the
manager of this building which is
actually uh legally uh 614 Main Street
okay the uh windows are going in all
upstairs which is the address of 616
Main Street
I that's across the street in the city
parking lot in the county parking lot
okay okay now what was the question um
are you guys going to put HVAC upstairs
Central HVAC or is it going to be the
window units in every window it's going
to be window units window units are are
you guys finding that when the rain
comes through you're having a lot of
leaks through where the window units are
too no no these windows uh I've been an
occupant of that building since 1985
okay Windows not have not been changed
before I came into the building in a
while and uh you know they're they're in
really really bad shape we have done a
lot of repairs a lot of patching on
these windows over the past years that
I've managed the property and uh it's
gotten to the point where uh theyve just
got to be replaced M and it will you
know it's going to be all white vinyl so
it's going to uh improve the the uh
Aesthetics Aesthetics of the uh
building uh and the area because they're
going to match the I've got sliding
glass uh doors which are white vinyl
down on the first floor so it's going to
match very nicely and uh uh the pictures
don't show it but if you if you get over
close and you look at these windows
they're uh they're almost as old as I
am yes sirad yeah Tom what are what are
the uses upstairs what spaces be used
for there's 11 Apartments upstairs oh
there are Apartments 11 and wow
downstairs there businesses downstairs
five five business locations five stores
okay okay which five stores are
downstairs
uh well I just can't think off the top
of my head I know I'm the corner but I'm
St well starting at 608 you've got uh
cigar guy uh uh six uh 610 you've got a
uh leather
Merchant 612 is silver
jewelry uh 6 14 614 is uh some yeah I forget the name of the
business but it's it's it's paintings
that you that they I know the block
you're talking that they play music out
of t-shirts on the corner okay all right
does anybody else have any other
questions for Mr gust are there I mean
are there people living in the apartment
oh yes yes I have one vacant one right
now but for the most part I keep them
pretty much
occupied they've stayed rented over the
years they really have so sorry hi Tom
uh so my question is about um you you
mentioned there were other improvements
going to be happening to this building
um are there is there
other uh grant money available say for
the awning and some of the things going
on down stairs I mean I know this is two
different things but I'm just you're
asking me or you asking well I can I can
you know I'm I'm wondering because
looking at it I mean I'm just to me it
would be nice to have a new warning
there as as far as the main street
streetcape and then um also you know I
would talk about show Windows what's
going on in the show Windows which you
might have some influence since these
are your tenants um we could you know I
just kind of wonder what you thought
about that um the business owner are
entitled to apply for the grant so we
changed the owning and one of the
tenants already has the application so
we can oh great great so we can improve
the excellent so that that's that'll be
more improvements to the building that's good to hear um and then I just I
mean because I have I have to ask
because we've been discussing the view
the storefront views of buildings that
aren't used except during biker events
you know we're we've been discussing
options for you know some like it would
be
beautification to have Windows either
have some sort of a you know I don't
know if it's called a wrap or a you know
they make these kind of decal things
that look attractive like instead of
just the white paper for example now
this isn't really have anything to do
with the Grant and I wouldn't like I'm
not going to vote against the Grant in
any way this but if you have influence
with your tenants that are in those you
know as far as your leases and so on is
there any way to kind of Step Up the
game as far as what we see from the
street I believe there is and there was
something I mean the said many years ago
I remember the city did this the city
had a plan and uh if you wanted to order
them from the city would make uh some of
these different screens whatever you
want to call them appliques so that uh
you could actually see out of them but
you couldn't see in right you know and
it could have something decorative on it
yes they had they had all kinds of
different scenes you know beach scenes
Mountain scen so you kind of like that
idea that yes yeah absolutely all right
thanks it's something we we've been sort
of think smart idea thanks all right
anybody else oh I just was curious who
owns the building then oh it's Nesco
Associates LLC it's uh it's a couple people from Winter Park okay they
bought it in 2010 MH I started manag I I
was in there I had a retail business uh
which I retired about that time I became
manager of the building a couple years
before that and uh when they bought the
building they said they were interested
in buying it but only if I came with
it that was the exact statement at the
time so here I am what a
deal all right well we have to wait on
Mr Libby to get back here thank you
we'll move
forward thank you thank you Tom
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yeah while while we're waiting I mean I
think I feel like we've mentioned it I
guess I've thought about it so much
sometimes I forget whether we've talked
about it but the you know the screens
that he's talking about it's kind of
like a pierced decal you know that
perforated ones a perforated one that
you know could have you know if if there
was some oversight of what went on them
and it wasn't just arbitrary you know I
think it oh actually I think it's
something I might have put in my suggest
questions now that I think about it so
we'll probably get to that anyway I'm
done what item number is this joh this
item number
okay all right thank you we'll have
public comment John
Nicholson nichon 43 North Grand Avenue
the picture that they showed you look at
the awning on that corner building could
it be repainted I mean given the fact
that we're giving this loan and it's to
enhance the building
that takes away from everything on the
building and secondly the
um what do they call it there's a name
for it now the painting on the side the
mural the mural uh is there way is there
a time frame because I know we allowed
it years ago uh it's getting kind of
faded and there's another one down the
street also Getting Faded uh is there a
time frame on refreshing the murals I
think the one down the street got repain
it already John yeah yeah it did for
sure the one down the street did I don't
believe did you hrey did you yours I
believe Tom's going to answer I have a
application because I'm having the whole
thing redone there's one on the corner
of the building I'm in as well that on
the corner yes because I didn't know
whether we had a
um a rule in it when we okay it because
we did that 40 years ago with the light
bulb Gary you will remember light bulbs
and the fluoresence and whatnot that we got rid of them because they weren't
being changed and whatnot so I'm
wondering if we did that thank you thank
you John and as M Armstrong stated uh uh
the tenant in the corner of the building
in the corner shop has already put in an
application to replace the awning not
just repair it replace it because it's I put that awning up there back in the
uh '90s uh it's been replaced several
times but it's uh right now well we used
to be able to make them with
canvas City won't allow that anymore you
got be made with vinyl vinyl does not
last over there vinyl will not last on
the beach side so that's only uh I mean
looking at the awning it is deplorable
it's only five or six years old yeah MH
and we've cleaned it many many times
know as far as the mural on the end of
the building uh I've been speaking with
the several different people to get it
to repaint I also put that on the
building back in the 990s and uh
it has been
redone I think four times since then you
know the paint just the weather's har
bee side they don't last long got to
redo so anyways yeah those are things
that we are we are taking care of okay
thank you for answering that Tom last
comment Tom are you aware that Main
Street is a national register of
historic District's location not local
but National I've heard rumors about
that I the rumors are I I don't know
exactly and the only reason uh I'm very
glad you're doing what you're doing and
I think the program is excellent because
we we're in a little bit of a conundrum
there when it did not go forward for
local designation because with local
designation would come all kinds of
requirements design standards and the
kinds of Windows and things like that we had a commission that that uh we had
like three or four historic local
historic districts in a row and the city
was getting you know right right up to
here with history unfortunately right um
so I salute uh your doing this and
taking advantage of this program I'm
very glad we have this program I think
it's an excellent one it'll get these
buildings up to a standard now that make
them make the rents you know more
rentable the physical spaces better the
income uh better for these properties
and therefore the street better as well
so thanks very much
we're doing whatever we can down there
and the windows are a triple pain yeah
okay with the outside hurricane and
double pain in between with the gas in
between it to uh maintain heat and heat
and cooling those are the best ones
absolutely the best ones thank you
Tom all right I apologize for running
out I got a silent alarm somebody was
trying to get into my car so I went down
and checked it and it's we're fine it's
everything they didn't couldn't get in
all right well I'd like to make a motion
we approve this that's what I was just
going for yeah I'll second the motion we
have two seconds there all those in
favor say I I I all those opposed seeing
none or approved 615 Main Street
pleasure sir thank
you all right got that now one window in
my house to Happ we're moving on to a
board discussion on the Beachside
neighborhood watch
yeah Mr chairman there was um an update
to the resolution and I provided you on on your packet MH and is open to
board discussion if you have any
suggestions so
okay does anybody have any comments on
this is it is it a
presentation is it are the asking for
anything is there any motion involved in
it is this the the um um presentation
before the commission to alter um
Landscaping I mean what what is for the
Beachside plans yes is it the the the
resolution that you already had that you
discussed it was an update on August um
first so I provided you with the updated
so you can have it and we have Miss en
Ruby here that can um can talk about
that could we have a brief presentation
I think it's warranted who's the chair
here you Tak over ask I'm sorry everyone
can speak everyone can speak it's open
it's a board discussion do do you guys
feel like we need a
presentation yeah I feel like a
presentation to clarify would help as
well just a little introduction yes yeah
so an Ruby 136 Park Avenue I'm chairman
of the Beachside neighborhood watch we
have several Beachside neighborhood
watch Board of director members here
including Mr weather Holtz um we had a
originally brought before you the one
that we passed September 7th
2023 and there were a lot of questions
raised about that well was there
scientific evidence um do a study find
out what else is happening we weren't
actually ever proposing a direct change
to the LDC we're not proposing that this
be put on requirements put on
Residential Properties what the so on
August 1st of this
year BMW passed a companion resol
resolution so there's two resolutions
the companion resolution reads in
September 2023 bnw presented the city
commission with the attached resolution
on the use of non-functional turf grass
the resolution was received with much
head nodding on the commission but no
action bnw has passed this second
resolution asking the Beachside
Redevelopment board and the planning
board to urge the city commission to
take action to instruct City staff to
use the intentions of the original bnw
resolution as a springboard to examine
what changes could be made Citywide to
our LDC and development standards to
encourage increased use of native plants
and a decreased use of non-functional
turf grass on City properties and new
commercial developments additionally bnw
would like to see the city commission
develop a resolution similar to ours
that they would pass on to the state and
the county NE nether resolution is a
direct proposed change to the LDC
neither resolution is intended
to impose new standards on Residential
Properties passage of this second
resolution is intended to Spur the
commission to take action the
instruction to City staff for the
examination of what changes could be
made Citywide to our LDC and development
standards to encourage increased use of
native plants and a decreased use of
non-functional turf grass on City
properties and new commercial
developments so that's so that's kind of
what we put on top of the resolution we
first passed because we wanted to make
sure that it was clear what we were
asking the city commission seemed like
they really wanted to support what we
were asking for you know if we can get
different standards in place and get
different ways of using plants we can
save the city money we can save the
environment we can help create a more
appropriate looking beach side and we're
just asking the com we want the we would
like BMW board support planning board
support to ask the commission to ask
staff to examine these standards and can
they be updated to
include yes I'm was going to say I went
down to Port Orange on the dun lton
Bridge Road there is a very very low
growing with tiny white flowers all
along there it looks beautiful and when
you look on International Speedway right
at the
7-Eleven where they've dug up and dug up
that same plant has come up by itself I
want to find the name of it I have I've
got it on my camera it is wonderful and
it only grows this high so you don't
have to spray it you don't have to water
it in the terrible conditions it is
spreading and looks wonderful so why put
grass there exactly absolutely why put
grass there I want to put it in my front
yard
so my my question to you is do you need
us to vote and say we like this or do we
need to send a representative to the
city commission we're just asking that
we like it we just we're just asking
that you vote to say we the Beachside
Redevelopment board would like to see
you in you know look at these standards
again well I'd make I'll make I'll
make some more discussion if I can make
a motion yeah and I second yeah let's
see if everyone has any question
questions about it and then we'll
discuss and make a motion I agree do
either of you have any questions I'm
150% for it it's it's a no-brainer it's
going to save money when you're talking
about you're cutting down expenses in a
business I'm just a businessman if you
can cut down my overhead and this is our
city we want to cut I want to cut the
city's overhead down and it does it and
it does it efficiently yeah I'm for it
no questions I got a question I
personally want to know what those white
flowers are cuz I want to put them on my
La reverse
picture reverse
IM Jenny just said it Florida betney
Laura betney okay Laura betney I'll come
to
your I've got a I've got a question an
was the original proposal for the
Beachside and now this is a Citywide
proposal that might be why the
commission sort of could be in favor of
it but um it's it you just said City
wide well the the original proposal came
from Beachside neighborhood watch and we
were originally just wanting to
encourage it on the beach side correct
but then as we you know and some of the
objections you had raised decided to do
the kind of a
clarifying purpose of it that it really
should be something that's addressed
Citywide so you know it's it's kind of
like the staff we're just asking them to
ask the staff to look at this yeah um I
think it makes sense Citywide where it may somewhat sense for the beach side
but uh you either we either do it or we
don't correct correct yeah yes it'd be
nice to have some pictures idea what
this looks like exactly because I tried
a little experiment like that on my own
property and in between those pretty
flowers we get lots of weeds M yeah and
weeds are a big problem and you're going
to have to pay a team of people just to
pick the weeds in between those pretty
flowers we can't maintain what we have
now well my entire yard I have zero
grass my entire yard is native plants
yeah and when it's dry it Browns out but
then as soon as it rains it comes back
and it's gorgeous but I yes I understand
your from this the amend the amended or
the additional language that this isn't
superseding anything this is in addition
to what we
already allow for landscaping it's it's
asking them to to examine how what they
are allowing you know sometimes they'll
say the list trees or a type of plant
that should be planted and they're not
necessarily including natives or not you
know there's there's natives they could
use instead of um so we're just asking
them just want them to look at it we
just want option put there it is is that
the bety that's at that's it at all the
construction work that's going on it's
just doing beautifully all by itself M
yeah you don't have to do anything to
those and you was there a a any mention
about the cost of doing a pro a project
like this because if it is Citywide I
could see where I mean I'm not saying
that cost is any part of it but it is a
factor
um I could I could answer it's not it's not asking if there's turf
grass out there already it's not saying
rip up the turf grass do something else
it's that if like when they're going to
do the new me they're going to do new A1
for allowable uses in future and they're
going to do new A1A let's have the city
at make sure that some of those
plantings are not turf grass that there
are other Alternatives that can be
examined yeah okay I could add one thing
just one thing climate appropriate
things right just just one thing I think
it it would cut expenses down
tremendously on gram view I haven't had grass in front that's living you
know anytime so the the natural habitat
is really meant to be there it's grass
is just not meant to live I can water it
I can do all these things I just can't
get it to live um and then you have uh
on East ISB before they did the road
construction most of that grass was
dying and didn't look good so maybe this
is a very good uh solution Solution
that's going to be cheaper in the long
run
because after so many years how long
does that Turf gas Last 5 Years out in
the sun maybe before it Withers and then
5 years we're doing it
again and you have to mow it and you
have to spray it so no I'm talking I I
was talking the uh artificial grass if
they put it in you got to remember that
Heat's coming down and you got to think
of this sun you know doing it up north
is one thing doing it here in Florida on
the beach is another it's going to it's
going to fade not
sure good thought sorry so so one of the issues that they will have to
Broach is that you have to have an
educated um or
re-educated Landscaping team because as
Mr koplos said you know you have these
beautiful little white flowers here and
little yellow flowers here and weeds
come up in the middle well if you don't
know what that is that weed could turn
into a beautiful little low growing
flower but if you don't know what it is so you know one of the challenges not
opposed to this at all but um you know
they have to be willing to look at that
as well because you can't just send your weed eat guys out to a lawn like
this because I have a lawn like this I
let I let everything grow and if I see
something that is too bushy or
unattractive or has stickers on it I I
pull them out yeah um and I let
everything else grow and and I have lots
of beautiful flowers butterflies bees
and everything um so that's kind of
right what we're hoping to go for so
might be nice to get a landscape
expert's opinion on yes and a and a like
a landscape expert that is not just into
you know making it look like carpet yeah
I mean you want it to look appealing
because that's yes right but I think but
that would be that would be something
that we would want to have stff feels
they need to do that then you know but
just let's get this kind of presented to
them as something that we should cuz the commission when we presented our
initial one was all like oh yeah yeah
that sounds good that sounds good and
then po next item of business yeah but
we could do the leg work for them and
have a well we have Jenny
yeah presented first this also yeah well
I was just GNA say the first picture
that I sent down is what just came up by
itself even though they have been
digging up and digging up but this other
long one is the Port Orange Bridge all
along all the way up to the ocean and it
is growing beautifully same I think you
want it yeah I'd love to yeah yeah so
anyhow I think if you
know we're just asking that you pass
this so we can get it before planning
board we can get it before the
commission so that we can ask the
commission please ask staff to look into
this that's what we're trying to do and
I also agree that so this is a I think
this is madees great sense okay good age
I'm glad want to come back up on this
got you for public com also from an
environmental point of view I believe
this is much better for the environment
than grass cuz you have to spray all the
poison that's right Amy so that's a big
point right now that's right and this is
not pass in between that is part
PL yeah that's what I
think we're g move on to public comment
on this John Nicholson come on up that's
what I
want thank you Jenny
johnon 413 North Grand View a um jny
first proposed this I thought well it's
a good idea because we are a Beach town
and unfortunately uh we were founded by
Yankees so all of our landscape looks
like New England it looks like New
Jersey and we're not New England we're
not New Jersey we're we're Florida hey
I'm still a Yankee I'm a Yankee but you
still when you built your houses the
landscape at the time Helen please let
me finish don't interrupt not doing
anything at the time when they came down
we now continue that Landscaping we have
a lot of the poporum and whatnot that
are from up North they have to be
trimmed etc etc uh it takes Staffing all
right staffing has become extremely
expensive I don't know if you've driven
past McDonald's starting at $17 an hour
California's I think up 20 25 an hour
when you do that it's not only what
you're paying now but when they retire
it's what you pay for the rest of their
lives all right so 40 Years of somebody
sitting on their butt making $20 an hour
is going to be expensive in the future
so when you design this uh we had a
problem with a18 all right and I've been
to like oakd oakd now had to be redone
because the plants they put in didn't
last uh A1A the plants they put in
didn't last s
times um to the island they put
landscaping around the walkway didn't
last um a whena and ISB they put
Landscaping on those two corners except
for the big trees all the Landscaping is
gone all right so when you replace all
of these things if you could put in the
grasses and the natives that don't need
to be watered they don't need to be
cared for like the grasses you cut them
once a year that's it take away the
foliage and it grows back and
everybody's happy so generally there is
no um Staffing cost or goes down
drastically watering costs go down
drastically because there is a problem
with water in the future I know Staffing
says oh no there's no problem we got
plenty of water that's what Las Vegas
thought there isn't plenty of water so
I'm asking you to definitely push this
not just for jetting not just for the
beach I need watch but for the C area
because we do want to be unique we want
to be different than Miami we want to be
different than Jacksonville we want to
be a Beach town and we're overbuilding
that's true and the more we build the
less we look like a small Beach Town the
only way we can hope to recoup that is
through our landscaping and our design
thank
you yeah I agree with you totally and
really what makes the city so great is
the residents want to come here and
speak like yourself and that's something
I wanted to thank you for and I
appreciate you thank you and girls as
well just going to point that we have
people that have already been saying
just that same thing Y Man Jenny
nzac come on
up Jenny nasac 501 Harvey Avenue as a uh
in the profession of permac culture
which is a design system for creating St
able human environments that's a
mouthful but it's where we have the
human environment and we're working with
nature instead of against nature so now
plants right they look pretty they can
be nice they're also green
infrastructure they are sucking up storm
water big time they are um supporting
the pollinators without whom we shall
die yes like this is not some cute like
some people think environmentalism is
still a cute hobby it ain't cute like
we're into survival here and and then
and but things like the flood waters and
things like that very very important and
also to not be using too much water all
that to be conserving the fresh pable
water that we do have so it's it all
kind of I like it when things all point
in the same direction and I'm also
hardcore fiscal conservative I can't
stand I can't stand waste when I hear
things being like trees being being cut
unnecessarily there's like the the soft
environmental part of me but there's
also the the hardcore like fiscal
conservative like just stop it
man is going on like because but I don't
cut costs to just save a pile of money
and hoard a pile of money no I cut costs
to because money needs to be deployed to
other necessary situations all over our
city like for example I I think every
bus stop needs shade for example like
needs needs some kind of shelter because
people are going to be getting heat heat
Str yeah yeah things like that so in
many areas throughout our beautiful city
where we have real human needs that are not being adequately addressed
every single penny we can save on
unnecessary maintenance of high
maintenance Landscaping is is awesome
and then plus as John and others have pointed out it gives us this this
beautiful identity Mother Nature gives
us free um unique local Beauty like
she's like a free marketing agency and
okay so that the plant Helen there's a
couple of plants that have that carpet
aspect that are whitish or light purple
flowers that particular one is known as
Mexican Clover corre the Latin name
richardus scabra and I believe that
would qualify as a Florida friendly
there's this gets kind of technical but
there's like native and there's Florida
friendly they all get along nicely they
are drought tolerant they are flood
tolerant they don't need chemicals they get their own water so they're are
friends and if you if a person chooses
like a person can mow their yard on a
schedule and on the beach side if a
yard's not being chemically treated and
has not been overlaid with the
smothering carpet of sod grass you will
get a default the default would be a
multi-c carpet of it can be three or
four or five or seven types of flowers
and they they do a growth habit so if
you're the type of person who likes to
mow their yard you know a couple times a
month in the dry season and you know
once a week or so in the wet season then
that carpet will be that height um
actually Miss Sandy Murphy has a a
classic yard that is called um the
Florida native plant expert her name is
Jenny styal and she's the definitive
Source on Florida native plants good she
talks about a thing called a freedom
lawn that is a lawn that needs no
chemicals and is just a carpet of all
the Florida natives now there is one
plant that is very reviled by the turf
grass industry it is called dollarweed
oh every we are trained to hate it it is
in fact a Florida native and it is is it
is a pollinator support it actually has
a small flower and supports pollinators
and it's actually edible I mean it's not
the yummiest thing in the world but if
you're you know you're desperate yeah e
it yes what one question because I is
there certain plants or things we can
plant that will help us more with flood
mitigation than more than other plants
some plants are thirstier than others is
there is there study done on that is it
yeah the No but way but it but what
where there is like for example on the
Florida Native Plant Society website
they have a very large catalog of the
water characteristics like the how how
much water does it use what does it like wet feet oh wow there are
certain plants now in my yard I have a
clumping non-invasive bamboo that sucks
up storm water I have Elderberry which
is a wonderful immune tonic and makes
really tasty jelly and that sucks up
storm water so there's lots of different
what kind of bamboo is it again it's uh
oh I don't remember the name of the
species I've got to look it up it's a
clumping non-invasive bamboo so it
clumps and it doesn't just like spread
out like this please let me know yeah
there's lots of thirsty plants like
Cypress plants are thirsty like around a
pond on the mainland you might see some
Cypress plants the trees that's a giant
storm water pump and like oak trees it's
a giant storm water yeah okay get the
point um thank you well actually I
wanted to speak on National Public Radio
just recently I heard where indigenous
people used to use a particular kind of
grass to weave you could actually put
water in their basket they are now in
the process of planting along waterways
that particular uh type of B it's bamboo
a type of bamboo and grass uh and that
it they now know does incredible job of
holding soil protecting against floods
and things uh so I wish I had listened
more carefully interesting but they're
actually planting and you can order
pieces of it to plant in areas to help
hold the soil that's very cool yeah good
to know if you think of it yeah yeah let
me know and then healthy soil in general
absorbs storm water better yes so if
we're not spraying chemicals in the soil
then the soil food web of all the
microbes that it holds more storm water
yeah believe we have another question
yes well Jenny's been at my backyard I'm
a pass beekeeper Be
Heaven and I have all native plants in
the back
there uh I do have an irrigation system
but I don't use it often uh my favorite
is Periwinkles yeah I'm a perrywinkle
guy they'll come up they come up they
keep coming up uh and it's something
like that you don't have to water on
they about as native as you can get here
yeah buron is that a grass or a plant no
it's a flower it's AOW it's a flower
they grow about 18 in high white and all
South Florida loaded with oh absolutely
for there're they in the keys that was
my whole yard but anyways I just put
that in and uh I've added native
trees and I think that one of the the
areas
it's can really be is
uh the new buildings new hotels down
along the beach everybody wants to put
palm trees oh I know they you know palm
trees is not a native
plant but uh using the native trees and
plants that grow they're salt tolerant
you don't have to take care of them and
I think that that's the area some of the
bare areas along the beach we was just
talking about that in the uh uh the
commission meeting uh there's areas
that's privately
owned it's just bare they don't do
anything they don't maintain it and
everything and this would be a prime
example for the city to have that in
those areas uh they don't need a lot of
uh care and everything have native
plants in there and to make it look nice
because the boardwalk one of the issues
we're going to talk about tonight is one
of the worst places in Daytona Beach
right now it's it's past being so just
putting that in comments thank you
everybody good all right thank you all
thanks
shenny does anyone want to make a motion
to approve here oh we had make a motion
to approve had it second well it came
out early before the I'd like to make a
motion to approve this resolution and
I all right all those in favor of the
bnw resolution say I I all those opposed
saying none
passed all right yes thank you for
persevering now we're moving on to our
Beachside Redevelopment priority
list everybody have that let me
see I'm finally prind to see I think
it's in our original yeah I got one of
those as well Mr chair Ken Thomas
Redevelopment
director
um Jenny needs her own radio show yes I would recommend that yes
um I well I learned a lot already just
listening tonight um excellent so Mr
chair um um board members advisor board
members um as you know you you were
appointed by your your mayor and your
city commission to to be part of this
Advisory Board and to help implement or
help City staff and help advise
the mayor and the city commission help
City staff to implement the
Redevelopment plan um for Main Street in
South Atlantic um as you know the plans
were created back in 1982 and 2001 um
respectively Main Street was um um 1982
and um and the um South Atlantic was um
2001 um 2008 both plans were um amended
and in 2011 the Main Street plan was
amended um to incorporate um some of the
goals and objectives of the um uh uh the
ezone master plan so throughout the
years this this is this plan has been in
place for quite a long time but not
recently updated what it's been um 14
years since 13 years since um any of the
plans have been um um re relooked at and
so it is a good thing that we've been
talking um throughout um our meetings
every month about you know what our
priorities are and so with you all you
your your um recommendation to Let's
establish a priority list and we'
received over the last couple weeks now
since we last met a number of issues and
concerns um that have been given to
staff um regarding the main street in
the South Atlantic um CRA in your
packets and you should have 11 by 17 of
all of the issues and concerns that were
given to us and so tonight what we want
to do is go over those issues and
concerns and I don't want to you know
belabor this but I think it's important
um that we at least go through each and
every one of them it's only 18 yeah it's
18 of them but I think it's important
that we go through each one of them
and make sure that everyone understands
what that particular issue um represent
and if you have any questions we'll
staff will try to answer them the
respective um advisor board members know
who you are um they they they recognize
their information that was given to us
so if we don't correctly um establish
what you intended please feel free to um
correct us tonight in addition to it the
ones who were not able to in anything
you will have an opportunity to add to
our list so what I want to do tonight is
just start with what we've been
given I also want to indicate that you
have about six dots um on your on your your Dees there that I will after
the after the presentation is made we
want you to take those six dots and we
want you to put those dots on the areas
the issues and concerns that are most
important to you now with the six
if there's one issue out of the 18 that
we have you can take all six dots and
put it on that one issue you can't it's
up to you yeah um but if you have
multiple issues yeah we have more dots
you well we we don't want to give you
more dots but but you can take those six
dots and and um you know subdivide them
and and put two on one issue and maybe
three on another issue and you got one
left um so um it is up to you but I
think six docs out of 18 issues that we
have um established here tonight is
enough and what staff would do
afterwards is we're going to take all
your um indication with the dots and
we're going to come back to the next
meeting and um give you the results of
it matter of fact you'll probably have
the results before the next meeting
because we're going to um um categorize
them into
subgroups um and so you'll you'll have
all this information so that when we
come back our next meeting we can have a
full discussion about what everyone has
um indicated and if you could please put
your names on um your sheets yeah Ken
there are about four areas in which all
of these fit too well yeah I mean sort
of s some of them are sort of they
correlate but we didn't want to we
didn't want to join the ones that we
knew correlated because again it's
important
um that the individual um staff
individual um advisor board member um
had their items listed and we want to do
that oh no no absolutely after the after
the listing thank you yeah I'm wondering
if if after the dots are done you could
stick those things on a board and we see
where the distribution is because I know
that exterior the the look of both of
these areas are the big or we we we
thought about that Mr Libby but uh um I don't have 2020 Vision so if you sat
up there you would be hard for you to
see them here yeah so we just thought
hey give you the the large 11 by 17 put
them on this sheet and we'll transfer
them to um a one complete document that
you'll know how many dots were on each
particular
issue now um if there is a lot I I can I
can read every last one of them uh it is
a pleasure of the board how you want me
to do it sure I was intend on reading
each every one okay so I'm going to
start out with um the first one um is
appearance standards are critical to
include a more proactive stance on code
violations and appearance improvements
throughout the beach side area on both
public and private areas a plan is
needed to improve Lighting in the
Beachside Redevelopment area to help in
security concerns and improving General
overall
appearance both new directional signage
and Pacific signage for available
parking areas and new parking either
purchased by the city and or shared with
Lucia County's current parking lots a
more complete and transparent method for
funding current special events and new
events utilizing Peabody and the Ocean
Center to better balance the perception
of the Main Street Corridor and
entertainment Zone
potential better communication with
existing property owners and other
partners concerning their responsibility
as property owners and participants in
the growth and future of the
Redevelopment
area you all have it on your sho I'm
just going to turn it around for the
public so they have
okay yeah they're not would have been
helped if they were numbered too I think
probably
yeah okay helped a lot we can figure
that out all right number five better
communication with existing property
owners and other partners concerning
their responsibility as property owners
and participants in the growth and
future of the Redevelopment area staff
playing a more proactive role
with other divisions within the city to
remedy the obvious problems in the
general appearance of the beach side the
need for the boardwalk and Breakers Park
to be
renovated the challenges of housings for
rent in the Surfside Village without
inspections and
permits vacate vacant lot along the
boardwalk which is not maintained
properly and it is an isore for tourists
and residents with graffiti on the walls
and we're read I'm I am we did not
change any of your verbage your grammar
we just put it out there
um parking create a unified appearance
of userfriendly parking options
throughout the
CRA survey all available public parking
on city and county property well that's
just like the second one up here the
first one on parking so uh you know I
think what
I think this one's public and the other
one is County lots and City Lots I think
that's the difference there Gary no they
both say all all
parking then you're just going to choose
one yeah this is all about parking what
I'm about to read from yeah 11 I think
this is number 11 this is all parking
it's all parking and then bacon lot is
another one Amy is that yours yeah
mhm so the first it says survey all
available Park public parking on city
and county um properties number one
allow free parking or enable modern
paper Park systems number two unify
appearance with clear attractive signage
number three create a way for people to
find parking via the app or Google
Maps allow businesses to charge a fee to
park in their lot
requiring a business tax receipt BTR and
clear uniform signage we're still on
parking
subsidize or pay churches to offer free
parking public parking in their existing
parking lots and of course you know
churches typically have um service on
Sundays or on Wednesdays and mass and so
you they the parking lot is um available
many times of the of the week requiring
a yearly registration with the city and
clear uniform signage with times
available and registration
information identify properties that are
only used as parking lots during large
events establish maintenance and
appearance standards for these
properties via the Land Development code
text amendments including the following
so this is basically saying that
you we want to establish this in the
Land Development code but we're also
telling you that it would take a Tex
amendments which will include the
following eliminate broken down fencing
replace with a simple attracted border
I.E painting the post so property
remains inaccessible to Vehicles when
there is no active permit signage
requirements with clear attractive
appearance that includes display of
permits visibly seen grass is okay
native low maintenance landscaping
borders are
encourage repair any Paving or replace
with previous surface material keep free of
trash require owners register the
properties property or property as a
temporary event pay
parking and agree to comply with
standards for participation as pay
parking lots registration will remain
active for a period of 2 years
participation in any event will be
contingent on standards being maintained
year round staff will perform and
document at least four random
inspections throughout the year and
exite inspection when the temporary
permit is granted so basically if you
have this permit the recommendation is
that at least four random inspections
will take place Place throughout the
year and a site inspection when the
temporary permit is granted you have to
have that permit granted to you if
violations are not cured within a period
of 30 days the property will be dropped
from the registration for a period of
one calendar year and not permitted to
participate and I'm assuming that's the
following
year yeah in the events in any events y
work with the county to open the Main
Street and Harvey Avenue Beach access to
allow low tide parking and driving on
the
beach vacant Lots now we starting vacant
Lots survey vacant Parcels in the
CRA establish clear enforceable
maintenance and appearance standards via
the Land Development code text
amendments and this is about vacant Lots
tackle the worst and most visible
first properties at the base of the um
International Speedway Boulevard bridge
at the base of the bridge former
locations of the amusement park on the
boardwalk large group of assembled
properties at A1A and East
ISB require lots to be brought up to
minimum standards or take action and
place a lean on the property to recoup
the
cost REM removing broken down fencing
and remains from pre-existing structures
or fixed sea walls and retaining walls
those are code violations mhm well
you've got Co three two other places
where someone asks to maintain to
establish and maintain code and make
sure that it's not just written on a
piece of paper but we have active action
right maintaining the code so yeah again
I think you I I think I agree completely
with reading through the whole thing but
these if you cut them up and put them in
piles I think you'd have probably five
in one four in another three in one and
maybe two in in another pile because
they're all dealing with the piles are
dealing with separate things yeah but
yeah we not do it tonight but but I do
want to point out that some of the
things that are listed here is not a
requirement today right these are things
that we're going to have to implement
you would have to implement the city
would have to agree to implement code
yes sir which is a lot of it is is
excellent you know but you would you
would have to go through
the the the code Amendment the planning
and zoning and Land Development code
changes I mean I would trust the staff
to to look at them and and realize that
there are five nouns that are the same
in in six of these and those should go
together because I
think as my first paragraph in the or
last paragraph said I'm sure my
colleagues will have you know many that
are similar or or or can could be
construed or solved in in the same way
and so this is fine but I I I'd feel
better if we whittel this down into big
categories that each one had three or
four of these in it because then it
makes sense rather than just but we can
do that we can do that maybe at our
next okay okay so City responsibilities
any property owned or controlled by lecee or whatever should
be held to the high standards for
appearance fix broken fences and repair
missing retaining walls public amenities
such as Breakers park splash pad um
coina Arch and the pier should be
Immaculate both sides of the pier should
be activated with City approved public
art whether permanent or temporary could
be funded with sponsorships that could
be noted within the artwork City own
light poles with the old blue and white
lights need to be fixed immediately
front of Corin building needs to be
cleaned up while we wait for a tenant to
begin renovation windows are cloudy need
a graphic or M over them stubby chopped
up fence looks
ridiculous um Florida pal light AT&T as
a partner um FPL needs to be pulled in
as a partner in the appearance of the
Redevelopment area there is no excuse
for Old Poles taking years to remove
Hallelujah electrical boxes with
graffiti and stickers need to be
surveyed regularly and addressed
immediately dangling obsolete wires AT&T
cables of course um need to be cleaned
up everywhere and they are everywhere
yes um Main Street and A1A storefronts
this is this is is majority of private
property now right um establish
enforceable standards for appearance of
storefront windows The Land Development
code section
6.14 section g I assume that's chapter
four and five addresses show Windows
suggested changes to that section open
active business exhibit a the view of
the merchandise and Retail show Windows
of of shall give give an un unobstructed
view into the interior of the store at
all times we need to have a
view and the last and final
page B the merchandise displayed in any
show window shall be maintained with an
uncluttered appearance any item
displayed words or images that are
sexual in nature or deemed for a mature
audience can only be displayed at a
minimum height of 6 ft from the level of
the sidewalk outside or place back at a
minimum of 4T from the window glass
facing the street so that's
internal um recommendation that it is at least 4 feet in height but away
from the front of the the um Windows the
front windows that face the glass well
the idea the street six foot high so
that kids walking by won't see it mhm
and they people still get their First
Amendment they can put whatever kind of
trash they want up that high or four
foot back four foot back from the front window yeah what happens when they
walk in the store then they walk in the
store but it keep we're just talking
about the from the street the
familyfriendly atmosphere on the street
yes on the street okay yeah from the
sidewalk CU we we we already have some
of that now in one or two
areas MH yeah yeah um for Lent um or other
painted um signage on the window itself
must be limited to 20% of the total
surface of any particular window owners
of stores facing Main Street or North
Atlantic Avenue within the CRA that have
no active BTR license or stores that are
going to be closed for a period of more
than 30 days must apply a perforated
window graphic with a decorated design
to the inside of their storefront
windows to block The View into the
vacant store I I that tickles me because
we have so many meetings about you know
uh businesses that don't have a
BTR um that are in the in the community
yes sir you know they were talking about
it's mostly the uh the stores down on uh
Main Street where they block off the
windows during the during the the year
and then the three weeks right they they
have them open and so they you know I
think that it should be a a fast
ordinance to make sure that none of the
windows are blocked off
anyway unless it's going to be
merchandise yeah you mean blocked off
what do you mean blocked I'm I was
suggesting like a wallpapered up is what
he oh yeah not wallpaper you have to
well you know what I mean papered up no
listen so you want them completely clear
to where people the police have a policy
oh yeah that you can't block off the
window without them being able to see it
visualize inside the city even if it's
an unoccupied doesn't make any no if
it's unoccupied or whatever it has to be
viewed in right correct okay well in the
LDC I think it says the view inside has
to be broom swept
uncluttered uh clean looking we don't
have that so you know cross that off and
put you know and I think just about
almost two years ago we did a sweep on
Main Street um we got a lot of
complaints you know but because they
were the the storefront windows were
cluttered M um but they were not meeting
the
code um and so we we got some
cooperation to as well just over on seab
breze I just had a store 305 seab breze
that was blacked out
totally I just took all of the paint off
of it and cleaned the store inside and
they are totally vacant nothing in it so
like for example Mr guest's building the
guest it had three big windows up front
that were all white can't have it it
can't have it we do so not to have that
not supposed to yeah absolutely and app
plywood to as well we just passed the
ordinance on no ply yeah it would be
easier for them to have the perforated
Graphics if they're going to keep
whatever they're going to keep inside
correct as long as they can see inside
yeah yeah
and the next column is on
Transportation um a free trolley to
transport visitors and locals Between
the Ocean Center Main Street Ocean
Avenue A1A over to B Street and back
across the Main Street Bridge um enforce
illegal parking on the beach side and
beautification of Main Street and make
them active businesses all year
round so those
are the
issues um that was given to us prior to
the meeting but I do Mr chairman want to
take a few minutes and just ask everyone
are there other items that we should
list before you um do your your dot
system we can add more now if you would
like too if you if there is a a uh
request by anyone that something we you
didn't see that you think is a priority
uh we can list it now you can write it
down and um put it on your sheet
everyone will put it on your sheet and
um you can use one of your your dots to
um as a priority issue for you what
about the um native plants is that
something that should be on there the
use of native plants it doesn't have to
be on there unless you want to make it a
priority so no no okay it's a different
I think that the Redevelopment grants
that we're doing are great but I do
think it needs to be a priority to make
them more accessible to everyone in town
because I have had people come to me
having trouble finding how to access it
people that don't know about it for
instance in here we also have under
parking working with the county to open
the Main Street and Harvey beach access
which I think is a great idea because
right now we have people at the end of
ISB no one can get to their business at
the end of ISB okay and I know they're
some of them are closing until they're
done with all the road work I don't know
that they know about the grants that we
have or if there's a way that our grants
could help them with their rent because
right now I know we have one that's
going to be closed until January
February until construction is done and
we're just going to lose all the
business over there same thing that
happened on Orange Avenue I mean what's
the good in redoing our road and our
ramp when it reopens there's nothing
there yeah yeah yeah there there there
have been some communities in the past
where you had that that cor correlation
between the county and the city and the
CRA working together when they know they
got a project working like this or if we
can have something to offer them you
create a a fund so that you can help
some of these small businesses through
that process right I know we have it's
been done before yeah you know I think
everything on this list is is
significant it it I mean I don't think
there's there are any stinkeroo on here
the question is are you interested in
doing a priority list and the priority
list isn't just the most important ones
it's that but it's the ones that are
doable because many of these deal with C
the county and coordination with the
property owner and you know some of them
are pure City ones it could be done
could start tomorrow because it's all
under your umbrella of authority right
so maybe maybe the staff could look at
um based on the dots uh the priorities
and if there's a top priority for a
majority of us that doesn't make it
because of the dots then I think we
might want to amend well well well well
Garett that's why you have the dots
because it's we we want this to be the Advisory board's priorities and not
staff
priorities yeah yeah put a priority on
your dot yeah you you you you need to utilize your dots we gonna
go to Garrett then we're gonna go over
here gar gar was go
ahead just out of curiosity the funding
for the program comes from the CRA yes
sir right how much money is in there
right now we got a quarter of a million
or is it half a million a half a million and once that's used up what
happens after that yeah we we
appropriate more
next the c c yes sunshines soon is no no
we sunshin in 36 3 yeah but we we had to start somewhere no no and we
started at a half a million we hope we
get to a million in in the year yeah but
let me also say this if we spend a half
a million before December we'll go back
to commission yeah and ask for more and
you'll get it and we'll get it the
reason because we do have more to make
sure that this is ongoing because yeah
but we didn't want to stick a yeah yeah
arbitrary number out there I think
before you came on board the beach R
development they did a study 10 12 years
ago yes we did about the exact same
thing and then they looked at you know
sometimes I think we get a
little too com too confused and too
overworked up on stuff and we try to
reinvent stuff okay you know um but all
we have to do is really look at what
other more successful cities are doing
right in Hollywood Hollywood I think
Hollywood was one of the more successful
ones and they've got an ongoing program
like this that has been going on for a
very long time and they contribute quite
a bit to businesses that are I better
use of Redevelopment dollars than
business yeah you guys are doing a great
job well Helen and Veron okay I was at
the city commission the other night when
uh this was brought up by the the mayor
and the the Commissioners you have to
understand one thing with the CRA they
have
obligations that are ongoing all the
time yeah uh we are a city with five
C which is unheard of for a city of this
size but that's neither here to there
and some of them are getting ready
to be out and once they're out you can't
reestablish them very difficult so I
think it uh what you've presented
tonight are the main things that the
commission asked you
to to put in I think you've done an
excellent excellent job myself I
prioritize my dots okay and when I run
out of dots I put double stars on them
okay good good good but I I think it uh this is
help think this would be something that
you could put together and prevent you
know and bring it before the commission
and maybe get some attention to some of
these items absolutely that's that's the
intent although some of these items may
be like I say redundant someone else may
have have listed them um but we're going
to show you where they
correlate but I also want this to be an
exercise where you can see where like
Minds may have some of the same
priorities um but there will be cases
where your priorities may not be a goal
of the CRA but it doesn't mean correct
that somewhere in the city it should be
taken care of correct so somewhere in
the city everything that you basically
listed some Department in the city is
responsible yeah I can tell you that
work somebody is going to take care of
it yes thank you yeah so miss Helen and
Amy well he said what I felt and I just
want to say this is tremendously helpful
and I'm I'm just very happy good thank
you um I'd like to go back to what uh
chairman Ellis was talking about um the businesses on ISB slight diversion
but it it could it really this is this
is tying in how many businesses are
there that I'm aware of right now that
are affected I think it's around five businesses if we had
$50,000 to as you
know $25,000 you know as a a grant to
the businesses on ISB to help with rent
or difficulty during this time is that
something something that we can do right
here like make a well you can you can
recommend to recommend to the city to
the cities that for those you know
businesses that are affected by the ramp
closures that can't get customers there
anymore can apply for something or or
any in the future too anything in theut
we're talking about right
now the businesses on ISB that are
affected they are mster CRA yes and we
already have a grant that is called
lease subsidy that we pay up to
1,500,000 I mean
$1,500 a month up to three months00 a
month yeah okay so they can apply and
one of the business owner there has
already applied for our grant so they
are aware that we have those programs
already done okay all right well that's
great that one of them already has maybe
we just need to get the information to
the other ones too right
any other way they can get in on the
other Grant I don't know how many are
the responsibility of somebody else like
fpnl I mean the polls are certainly not
up to the city any Department of the
city they have to be done by FP and
other other you know I think those need
to be identified because that's a little
pressure in the telephone that that
would be a uh that would be Public Works
we would lean on Public Works to make
that connection yeah just to yes put
comments in go ahead G that's kind of a
big issue right now that I was kind of
dealing with on A1A because spoke to
Dave in public works and he said well
FPL has 12 months to actually Remedy
some of these situations I said 12
months if I call up as a a resident or a
business owner which I do all the time
even when it's not in my neighborhood
and I'm like hey can you guys fix this
light it's been out for six months right
and they have to fix it I think within
45 days why is it a year when the city
has to go to the FBI
to have them remedy situations like that
I counted 30 lights between seab breze
and and the ored line that are out that
have been out wow for over a year yeah
and when you get toward Bell Plaza it's
like really dark down that way it's
almost someone from FPL actually told me
he's like if you want to get the ball
rolling there's a particular safety
standard that they have to abide corre
and they have to speed it up you know
when it becomes a safety issue I'm like
it's very dark I mean it's kind of a
little inundating for a tourist to
actually try to walk on the other side
of the street there so that's definitely
but that's how you get it done I mean we
tell people take pictures of the pole
that has the number on it oh okay you
know that's that's how you do take a
picture of that pole that has the number
on it I I I have one thing on South
Peninsula as you turn to go on the
Orange Avenue Bridge M there is a pole
in the middle of the sidewalk and there
is no way there there's a man that walks
with his seeing eye dog he has to step
into South Peninsula to go across the
street because he cannot walk in the
sidewalk the pole is right in the middle
there's no way is that the intersection
so he has to walk yeah it's at it's at
the intersection I believe yeah well I
will take a picture of that I had I had
a I was walking my dog under a pole that
I've been watch you know it's already a
poll I've complained about but a cable
box literally fell
off the pole and came down I thought it
was a Transformer coming down I'm look
up and this huge thing's coming down and
it stopped about 5T above head because
the cable kept the cable was still on
there and it swinging away I got a video
of it swinging and it like scared the
hell out of me right so I called on
emergency somebody came and tucked it up
back in there but it's still there yeah so this is yeah okay we're like
entering third world situation here yeah
oh and then there was one other thing
one of you asked for other things this
was an idea some of us were were talking
about the other day what would how would
it be if people wanted to paint a house
or a building M even if they wanted to
do it themselves with a you know without
a contractor because painting is not
something that necessarily requires
skilled labor and they had they apply
for a uh paint
reimbursement and they paint their house
and then they say say okay here come out
code whoever look at the house how do
you like it looks good I spent $500 on
two giant five gallon buckets of paint
and we can reimburse them is there
something simple we can do like that we
don't have a paint reimbursement program
but we have a paint program where you
have to get if you're in a Redevelopment
area you have to get approval from us to
paint the the paint colors color right
um that's a little different and the the
only gr requires the only thing is um
about that you you have to create some
criteria right um for you know a paint
program code
enforcement um one of the things that
they want to do is if they found someone
who you know has some code violations
such as chip paint or something that's
happened to the exterior of the building
as opposed to taking them to code
enforcement they want to have the
ability where they can utilize some of
our CRA funds to do something similar to
what you're talking about Home Dep yeah
but it's not for it's not for everybody
it is if you have a violation a
potential violation that has been
identified by your code officer you will
have some type of voucher that you can
go to one of the hardware stores and buy
paint but then it has to the painting
has to get done the painting has to get
done IDE I mean you know these are these
are ideas that you know if if if there's
a priority it could be implemented but
of course you got to create the program
right you know with code enforcement
they have a it's a code if you have
peeling paint your sad or the faes
coming off that they will help you get
that oh that's yeah that's what he's
talking about but not repainting your
house just because you want to change
color yeah yeah it has to be a violation
a potential a potential
violation uh the next thing on the
stores that are I've had somewhat
experience uh I redid Orange Avenue
through
Orlando did the rest streets and
everything you can require do to have a
minimum of at least one entrance to any
store you can require that you don't
have to ask
them are they because they can't shut
down a business I notic the one business
that's fired up yeah but I think that
how do we do that well you just go to
the city goes to do and says that that
you have to no that wait a minute
there's just not any other way and you
can require them to do it regardless of
what they
say is that something we can look into
entrance like a driving into the
driveway they have the whole store wired
off yes they have everything closed off
but anyways regardless they can they can
stop you from going in in the the
parking I see you know because that you
know you're repouring concrete and
everything and you're you can do that
but uh that's up to the city now now
help me was that for access to the bu
business doing roadway construction or
absolutely is that what we're saying MH
okay so one of those businesses I think
there was in the newspaper you still
have access customers still have access
to the business mhm just that no parking right no parking and access
one way is see the parking is a
different issue they just have to have
access to it yeah so it's not the access
is been cut off it's just no parking
park down there
anyways we've had we've had constant
problems dealing with code people in the
historic districts who have design
standards and colors that the houses can
be painted to the point where the city
told um our neighborhood watch Group
which is seab breze University that they
were just going to let people paint
their houses any color they want because
they didn't feel that the city should be
asking them to repaint the house
according to the standards standards as
a matter of fact Miss hansy was at the
historic preservation Advisory board
meeting when they didn't even know they
were standards the board was making
decisions on items in the in this Z Zone
without realizing the city had a a book
a guide book to do it so I think maybe
City coordination would be good too one
of the things I said in here was that
are that being proactive but also with
other departments in the city to really
make it work for everybody yeah yeah
okay all right anyone else yeah mine's
just really simple I'm very pleased with
this it's well presented by the staff I
greatly appreciate mhm the STA a lot of
work and the the most important thing
that I'm on there I'm on here now uh the
most important thing that I really think
on this thing is the staff playing a
productive role proactive role right uh
with divisions within the city to remedy
obvious problems the thing is is that
not because you all are in front of me
right now I've lived here for a long
time and and and you the staff deserves
the credit I believe probably in the
past 20 plus years this the best staff
we've had in the city yeah so you know
Kudos great job great job Angela great
job Ken it's just all of you um to me
that's the most important uh the illegal
parking on Grand View I think
immediately when I had said something um
started giving tickets so at least
people could get out of I could get out
of my driveway um
so I I I really feel happy I think this
is the best of the city's been since
I've lived here over over 25 years now
uh that's about it I'm just happy okay
thank
you no good I'm happy with this okay so
we we're going to come back as staff and
um at our next meeting and we're going
to uh articulate to you the uh results
of the prioritized list
um but we what we also will do um for
those items that are not
directly um involved in the
Redevelopment plan itself because
everything that we do has to be part of
the Redevelopment plan and really
there's like five goals um that you have
to take all this information and and and
um correlated to what the Redevelopment
plan says now
but what we're going to do is the ones
that don't correlate to the goals of the
Redevelopment plan we're going to create
a strategy where we're going to connect
them to a particular department or
entity correct so that what you've given
us is not just in vain corre it will go
somewhere it will be attached to some
entity some department and and
throughout our course of um activities
um
we'll we'll have updates from from those
particular departments because there's a
priority of um the Beachside
Redevelopment board maybe it's not in
the Redevelopment plan maybe it's not a
goal of the Redevelopment plan but it's
a goal of the Redevelopment advisor
board so that we have a better quality
of life and so that's what we understand
with this list the list is really about
quality of life and it may not be in the
Redevelopment plan but it may be
somewhere that departments in the city
need to be respons
most of them are in actually in in one
of the plans we've done yeah yeah they
are okay all right well thank you thank
you Ken thank you
Angela
right okay again please remember to put
your names on the the
sheets are we to turn them in tonight I believe that's what staff would like
oh I wanted to study it oh gosh yeah why
not it's it's Mr chair I mean if for the
ones who ones who did it tonight we'll
take them but if you want to hand them
in maybe the next couple days that's
fine too I I want to talk with the other
people at in my store my son and his
wife I like okay that that' be fine yeah
good and I and the staff has I think at
least for me and I'm sure my colleagues
full authority to batch them the ones
that look very similar you know that
except for a word or two I think they can go together because um they're
probably I was trying to follow you Ken
there're probably five areas you know
five areas that just about everything
could five hats that you could toss
things in and out of the five
two are currently achievable by the city
one by fpnl you know so three out the
five yeah are not that hard to do if we
all if it's a full City effort everybody
pushes works together I think you could
have some real serious
progress all right
[Applause]
what else do we have yeah that's what
I'm looking at what else do we have here
do we have a PDF the last item is the um
the recommendations from the Beachside
Redevelopment committee that met back in
whatever year that was that's it's the pamphlet that's at the end of the
agenda
yeah um that was produced by I think it
was a meetings that went on for about a
year wasn't it um
and this is the one we you know we've
talked about kind of it you know it's
got a lot of information and it's not
something we're going to go through line
by line tonight I hope but um is this a
private group different neighborhood no
the Beachside Redevelopment committee
does it show in here who was on it it
does it does it was um Tony grippa RNE
Cruz Derrik Henry Dave Lamont Kent
Sharpes Paul Zimmerman Charles
liman um Harry Jennings Aaron Delgado
John Albright Chris bowler Miriam guabi
Troy Kent and Frank
molar and they met over at the uh I
think it was at the Ocean Center in a
meeting room um once a month for I feel
like it was like a year year who
authorized this committee the county the
city and the county it was a county
thing look at it
it's in your agenda there on the agenda
and they produced you know they had
meetings they talked they had speakers
they had you know it was very I went to
almost every one of these meetings and
then they produced this document and
where is it it's in your it's in your
packet Mr um on last meeting while we
were talking about the priority list it
was brought to our attention that this
document was produced and that it was a
very good idea that you all take a look
at this document so we can know what the
recommendation were um um that this
committee was tasked to develop ideas
for improv the beach side Redevelopment
areas so that's why I includeed in your
packet so we don't have to discuss it
now it's just for your information in
case you think that it's a good idea
that we can Implement now in our
priority list we can do so right A lot
of them are similar exact a lot of it is
very similar that's what there yes you
know the is landscape crosswalk um Road
improve
Improvement how we look it's basically
the same I just wanted to include it
because you you said you know you show
interest the meeting yeah thank you
Angela okay
have any comments on this or does
everybody want to yeah I mean it's
pretty much the same thing we've been
discussing we'll move well but it's it's
very important because this group is the um followup group for the board
that was taken over by the county that
ran the Redevelopment area for a number
of years I don't know if any any of you
were here Helen was no I um the county
just you know decided we we in the city
couldn't handle Redevelopment and had a
board an independent board I'm trying to
think of who was on it uh and they met
for I believe two years and then um the
city uh met with them and discussed
having a city advisory move the city
Advisory Board back but this is a very
serious I think document they did um for
the County Council and of course they
authorize Redevelopment areas they they
have a they have a big stake in our in
our success our failure and so I I'm
going to look at it very carefully I I
didn't not realize why it was in there I
apologize all right ready for public
comments on that we have a few uh John
Nicholson come on
up most
stuff joh Nicholson 413 North Grand
Avenue yeah City commission meeting U
Derek the kind of gave me a
going over for jesting this because you
know how to get this yeah I do but the
public doesn't public doesn't know this
how many of you have seen this list
before today what list you're talking
about the one that you just that list
and discussed it all right I don't think
you guys ever discussed it all right we we just know we just why no no no but
he's had it he said oh you all knew it
and I'm like no they don't and the
public doesn't know it this was all wait wait wait stop from last stop stop
this is what I spoke to Derek fer about
yeah all right I'm not going to get my
time you know so um there are other
things here the Florida Power and Light
poles cannot be taken down the problem
with that is Flor power light owns the
poles but they don't own the wires and
unless AT&T moves their wires that pole
will stay up there indefinitely
Tallahassee ruled several years ago that
we now know longer have control over the
poles on our property although we give
them permission to use our property we
have no more control over it so we
really Essence unless we gripe and
complain nothing's going to be done so
you have to gripe and complain it's
nothing the city can do uh secondly you
only have like less than 13 years left
on the C for beat side all right so the
last time we discussed using the funding
which is called tip funding the screwed
it up we were supposed to have two brand
new hotels actually Four
hotels on the vacant property on uh
South Avenue all right George there was
a uh two hotels came
in they didn't want tip funds they were
going to do it on their own well you saw
the price of everything go up and then
the city wanted 40t of their property
for free and then they wanted the city
wanted them to m match the boardwalk at
their
expense so this was too much for them so
they wanted tip funds 3 million bucks
the city said okay after a haggling then
they said the price of everything went
through the roof if you remember several
years ago you just couldn't keep up with
everything was going through the roof
they went up to 8 million the city said
yes they went to sign the documents and
the city said
no we said yes to the 8 million but
we're taking it back we're only give you
3 million so the two hotels by the
boardwalk were cancelled which then the
guy at the end from uguay canceled his
building so we are shooting ourselves in
the foot all the time we've stopped nine
buildings in RC we almost stopped the
10th one on Silver Beach it barely got
passed but we are shooting ourselves in
the foot um with regard to uh city
property and County property we have
control over it and almost all of our
city and county property is not in the
best standard it really isn't all right
you go to um sebr Park SNB you go to the
boardwalk you go to Breakers Park you go
to or Street Park no matter where you go
our properties are the pits Peabody is
not well taken care of I just went to
the property that the city owns in the
middle of the marina they staffed all
their garbage chairs tables broken down
equipment on the backside where
everybody walks to get to the boat it's
all sitting there visible so we are not
containing or own so I'm asking you to
put in this as a high priority all city
and county property in the CRA because
we have control over it we have the
money for it fix it up to the maximum if
you want to see something really bad
we're getting a new marit Renaissance
you're doing the Landscaping now walk to
the county bathroom next to it I know is
the pits it's a mess and we're talking
this is going to be a fourstar which is
right next to another fourstar which is
down the street from another fourstar
and that bathroom it looks like
1950s it really is bad so I'm asking you
to not just us but all of our property
and all of the County Properties because
they're renovating the properties on the
beach as we speak they're tearing down
three or four of the bathrooms to
replace them I don't ask them to tear it
down just gut it and make it modern it
is really the pits and lastly um you
have hidden money I know they don't call
it that way and Paulo Reed Goes Bananas
whatever I say it but there's been money
in your facility for years that we don't
know about M uh was it Midtown CRA when
they wanted to redo Orange Avenue Chism
says oh yeah we're going to take that
million dollars that you have in your
CRA towards redoing Orange Avenue and
they go what million they had no idea
for years you've had money that the
city's put aside for future development
but they never told you what it is so
it's hard for you to balance things if
you don't know what it is now from what
I understand you got $6
million in funding from TI uh from
um the SI you owe 2.4 million if I
understand it correctly with the loan
that you took out for the buildings that
we backed which gives you approximately
$4
million that's not Chum change you owe
probably about a million
dollars it's kind of a dishonest way to
jib Chism change things around so that
you paid for things you shouldn't have
so you have $3
million that you can encourage can't
tell them you can encourage the city
Commission because at a meeting two
months ago they decided to put interest
on beide finally after 20 years so if
they're going to think about beide put
your two cents worth in when you can
thank you thank you
John all right moving
on Jenny did you want to speak on that
or public comment Public public comment well we're moving on the
public comment anyway because that's
where we are okay that's
um come on up Jenny s
[Laughter]
Denny naak 501 Harvey thank you for the list of the various uh priorities
and things that's excellent I would like
to add to the thing about lighting I
want us to add in environmentally
responsible lighting which helps direct
the light downward so it does a better
job of of what its job is of safety and
Illuminating the road but then it also
guards against light pollution and I
have some sent these little short videos
from the international Dark Skies
Association about places cities that
have really good lighting but it's
directed in such a manner that um at
like Star tourism is possible astronomy
tourism like there's places there's HOAs
where you could see the Milky Way and so
I'll I'll send you I probably haven't
sent you all that those little videos so
I'll send you all some of those it's
really interesting having to do with the
color temperature of the light so like
Amber going more toward the Amber is is
better it's more gentle but still
effective and then things like a cone
shape that directs it down so that's be
good for us to ponder wouldn't it be
cool astronomy tourism maybe we'll see
the Milky Way they actually changed all
the lighting in Jackie Robinson Stadium
recently because I complained not
because of me but I was one of the
complaints to the CEO CU I live right
across the road right yeah and it it's
if you don't put shades on your window
it's right there and these new PS have
wonderful Shades I mean directing right on good that's great we
have an example right in the city thank
you thank you Jenny um Randall
Phillips evening everybody uh Rand
Phillips 155 Crescent r Road uh I'm also
the owner of 612 and 614 East
International Speedway I come to you
tonight because I was just maybe advised
to come to you guys I was on this
board five years ago I think two
consecutive terms uh I've talked to Miss
Armstrong before uh I'm one of those
ignorant business owners that had no
idea about these Grant programs uh I'm
also being hurt very badly about the
construction but what I'm actually
talking to you about is the fact that
I'm about to apply for these loans I've
got a second in uh inspection coming
through just for to see how much it was
going to
be uh I've got code enforcement issues
that stemm from 2010 uh I've got the EPA
from Florida from taking out gas tanks
in my parking lot saying I cannot do
anything I can't even pull permits on
that property that's where a lot of the
code enforcement issues came from so
Lesly I was I guess found in violation I
think this is a huge miscommunication
between me and the uh the code
enforcement board uh uh I guess
violations were building up building out
unbeknownst to me uh just recently they
have tried to put a lean on the property
I believe the lean is on both 612 and
614 we are currently in a court case
right now I think March uh was our first
date we're on back to our second one I
had an investor that was going to come
in last year uh we were in the news
journal I don't know if you guys have
seen that it was going to be a beautiful
project my main investor had a heart
attack in a stroke so so he is uh
hospitalized and unfortunately had back
out and on top of that my father has
also had health issues for almost a year
now he's finally gotten out of the
hospital and uh that's been a mainstream
for me but what I was trying to do is
just to see uh like I said I've talked
to Miss Armstrong about it and she also
said she was going to approach uh the
city uh Council I didn't know you were
on board I I feel like I'm shooting
myself on the foot coming and you were
on this board uh I was just trying to
see if maybe you guys can put an ear or
maybe advise me to see how I can talk to
the city council maybe seeing if they
can leave that uh lean on both sides of
my property which were $20,000 a piece
uh and so I can go forward and actually
doing work on my property like I said a
lifelong Pro uh a lifelong resident here
I've been here for 48 years of my life
I've owned that business for 24 years I
recently purchased the property the main
property 612 I paid off in about 2010
and uh during the middle of Co is when I
uh paid off the property joining next
door and that was a nightmare all the
money I had Sav was just taking out the
gas tanks buyer beware now like I said
I'm my firsttime business owner and when
I took over that property I had the the greatest as you know aspirations of
making it a great community and and and
a spot it already is right now you drive
by you don't look it I I beseech
everybody that's on this board please
come by and look at my business come
inside and and and if you can find
parking uh come in and take a look
you'll see it it's a very
community-driven uh Music Arts uh you
know ultimately I wanted to expand
towards the east and open up a kitchen
and have it available for every want to
come in and actually have a restaurant
sit down family friendly environment but
like I said I'm coming up to you guys
tonight to see if uh what the correct
steps would be for me to contact city
council go there myself but like I said
I was on this board I know coming to you
guys first would probably be a better
thing and seeing how we can go forth
with this okay so thank you yeah go
ahead Ken ask you and I know um our
assistant City attorney want to U
elaborate as well but um it's the Irish
Pope yes sir next to Subway there yes
and um so right now um he wouldn't be
eligible for any of our grants because
of the code violations because of the
code violations yeah so those things
have to be uh remedied before we could
entertain any application um like I said
I'm not a I'm not I've been here for 42
or 48 years and I've owned that property
and well I haven't owned it I've
operated it for 22 years and my dad
owned it from 86 to 92 so we're not
going anywhere I'm not going to like
turn around and sell the place and and look you guys make the fool I'm I
legitimately I'm trying my best you know
I'm doing it all by myself now that my
dad's got a lot of health issues but uh
I I any help uh I could get just so
pointing in the right direction seeing
what I can like I said I was on this
board and we used to have a portal that
you can go to that was a part of the
website where you can see the grants and
loes that are available I had it
bookmarked I went to it and it is gone
so like I said the only reason why I
knew about this is one of another Main
Street Merchant showed me a pamphlet
which my picture of my building was on
out about dilapidated buildings and and applying for these grants and I'm
like well my building is right there I
didn't have no clue about it so if it
wasn't for this other Merchant I would
have I would have not have known about
it at all whatsoever right so like I
said is there any step that you guys can
could advise me I like I said I did not
realize Miss Armstrong was on this board
uh it makes sense now that I see your
here uh but uh like I said I'm I'm going
to debacle and anything you guys can
advise me please I I'm I'm I'm I'm
stuck so I don't know I I don't know
what we can do if there's nothing we can do I I don't
think Randy or at least bringing it to
the county or not the county the uh City
bring it to their you brought to their
attention fines are imposed at a
magistrate meeting is that I was even at
a meeting I already have a lawyer
involved there was he's he's trying to
say there was no due process there was
no letter sent to me uh I guess the
whole reason why I could not do a lot of
these uh repairs is because of the
property being under the EPA and and
there was ground monitoring leveling I
couldn't do anything they had the
property locked let me ask you about
that that's like a Brownfield thing
right yeah yeah yeah isn't doesn't the
state
have
am I I tried right now Curr locked they are
still to clean they do they do you're
going to elaborate on could if you want
let me say again Mr chair um his
attorney I'm glad you brought it up your Le counsil have been in touch with
our legal counsel correct correct and so
there's there's conversation yeah so at
this point I I I think that's what we
have to leave like I said I just comeing
across cuz one of my one of my friends
said why don't you approach the board
and that's why I kind of here like kind
of a good idea to see if I can get some
good direction and and like I said I've
uh I've already talked to the City
lawyer uh and they said that if I can
get the the stuff that's on the uh the
violations fixed then they'd be able to
you know come to the city council and
get the get the leans taken away of I've
already tried to apply for loans
construction loans anything and I've
been denied every time because of the
leans so that's where I'm at right now
like I said I had an investor he was
willing to put all the work into it as
family friend I've known him since I was
before I was born it was one of my my
dad's fs and him having a heart attack
in a stroke that's he had to back out we
we'll follow up with code enforcement
this where if if if the if the violation
has been remed right no I don't know no
the violations well I mean the stuff
that I could do like the weeds trash
graffiti painting I mean I'm pretty much
out there you can ask Will he's he's
walks by and sees me there's something
wrong that I can physically do with my
own two hands painting broken windows
weeds uh with his construction uh
they've torn up a heck a lot more of my
parking lot uh which was always an issue
but like I said uh with the F uh the EPA
down there in the state they they have
ground Wells of like every 5T on that
property and I cannot touch it I can't
put I can't put concrete
over what are the construction cost what
do you uh so far the one estimate I got
is about 42,000 and that was just on the violations that's not even that is
not even the concrete right now the
concrete is something that I'm were
going across the state uh what little
two holes that were drawn out uh from
the gas tanks had a little bit of T
asphalt millings and dirt on top and now
that the construction Crews come through
they have parked gigantic excavators and
it destroyed what was a little over that
parking lot so that's another project
that my lawyer is talking to about the
uh the contractors to see if they can
remedy the the destruction they've done
in my parking
lot yeah it's time yeah I think we'll keep an eye on this we'll come
back to it if there's anything we can do
to urge them to look at this I would
hate for us to lose another business on
our beach
side yeah thank you guys I appreciate
thank
you see right else do we have here an
Ruby come on
up Ann Ruby 137 Park Avenue so what you
guys did here tonight setting priorities
uh is great and the city Commission in
their last CRA meeting decided that they
would have a have maybe I don't know if
they decided quarterly or semiannually
that they were going to have regular CRA
meetings where they discussed things
that weren't because usually they just rubber stamp something
move on and there's really no discussion
and that's not how a CRA is going to
board is should be functioning that's my
opinion so they did agree to start
having I think quarterly meetings that
we're going to start way at 4:30 or
something um where they're going to
actually discuss what's going on in the
C so I would think that if Midtown and
downtown could do list similar to this
and then you guys can compile it and
bring that forward for discussion that
might be a great idea you know you know
how I like to make work for other
people but I think I I just think that
would be a helpful way for you guys to
have some input and I would hope at Le
if those other two boards don't want to
or don't have the opportunity to at
least hopefully this could be on the
agenda you're reading our minds we're
going there we're gonna do it thank you
yeah thank you man John
Nicholson real quickly so if you don't
understand it ask me uh one uh what do
you want Main Street to look like what
do you want Beachside to look like what
do you want the boardwalk to look like
what do you want A1A to look like all of
these speak volumes not only for those
of us that live here those of us that
have our businesses here but also the
tourist they want an attractive location
they don't want to come to a dump all
right and there are a lot of people if
they come they don't like it they don't
come back for years we had people coming
back year after year after year staying
at the same Hotel year at everybody knew
everybody that's not the case anymore so
we have to change to meet the standard
so I'm asking you to find out what you
wanted these things to look like what
you wanted it to be uh secondly grants I
would ask you to mail out grants we have
addresses to all of our businesses in
the CRA so they can't say I never got it
I don't know about it because they don't
nobody ever watches these meetings if
you're a businessman how many of you
would watch these meetings well because
you're interested but most don't all
right uh secondly I'm asking that uh uh
A1A that Landscaping it almost finished
with uh ISB you're supposed to go to a18
next what they've D what they've
envisioned is not what you guys want I'm
telling you um those ballards at all the
intersections 120 ballards having people
walk into the street because they have
to get around them these are going to be
bad things taking away all the plants in
the middle of the road because they want
to curve the road they want to raise the
intersection so they rise up and down
there a lot of things that they want to
do that as a tourist town we may not
want to do um third camera positioning
on cabb they had a bunch of pictures of
what they were showing for six months I
walked every Friday and Saturday for
five hours to see what the problem was
before we roll back to
3:00 the three worst locations where the
shootings were are not covered by the
cameras
that to me doesn't make sense if that's
where your problems are you really
should have a camera where the problem
is but we don't so we may want to look
at that
um Apartments I was just at the downtown
Ser they were talking about a new
apartment going on on on Ridgewood all
right so they have the one on Beach
Street they have the one on Ridgewood
we're getting Apartments way up the
street uh what is it Derbyshire or
whatever it's called um but but 300
Apartments we need much more than that
but on Main Street there are used to be
Apartments upstairs is there some way we
could help renovate those locations so
we can get bodies on the street because
if they're living there they will come
downstairs they will hit the shops below
them and hopefully the beach and A1A and
Boardwalk etc etc but we need bodies in
the CRA area Delta which was Delta West
which was on the meeting has
property off of Main Street can we have
a little asking of what you plan to do
with the Delta Property between Main
Street and Ocean Avenue thank you thank
Youk all right we're on the board
comments does anybody have any comments
they'd like to
add um I have one thing um so one thing
that I didn't see in all of this that
has a little bit of a I don't I wouldn't
say it's a concern just a comment of
mine I would like to find a way if we
have any way to eliminate some of the
red tape for businesses in the area
because I think some of our issue as a
city has always been we make things a
little bit too prohibitive for
businesses to open and sometimes even to
stay open like with the gentleman we
just had in front of us I mean I think
if a business is making a concerted
effort to make those changes why should
we lose that business in our town
especially if it's a wellestablished
one that's been here that does well' be
a shame to lose that and the same thing
with our
zoning I don't know if there's a way for
us to look at it but some of our zoning
seems like it was made up to stop
businesses from opening so we have rdb
one Rd B2 across from rb3 across from
rdb 4 and they all have different spot
zonings that require people to come in
for a plan development and spend
exorbitant amounts that they can spend
on opening their
business on that so I I wonder if
there's a for us to take a look at that
plan maybe relax some of it so we can
see what the market actually decides
instead of telling people not to open
before they ever open and Mr chair I
like to take small bites also we are we
speaking of Main Street right now only
uh Main Street and ISB Main Street and
ISB our main two corridors right there
on the beach side I think and we're
talking about talking about buildings
frontting ISB and running Main Street
correct having having and I mean A1A as
well probably
and having the ability to be able to
open up with not a lot of not as much
red tape because I think historically I
know from a lot of business owners I've
talked to about coming yeah legitimate
concern I've tried to give people to
come down to that area and people say oh
well I tried 15 years ago for 10 months
and I just couldn't get through the city
process and I think as a city we're at a
different point now where we're trying
to encourage people a lot more than we
were say 10 years ago 15 years ago
in Redevelopment are and we're they're
in Redevelopment areas and we have the
fun so I mean if there's a way for us to
make the language less prohibitive yeah
I I I have I have a good thing to add
young lady over there should be first go
ahead first okay I just wanted to ask
what is the progress on the um sign so
people would know I have so many people
that come in they just wander from the
Hilton and they go I can't believe
you're here I had no idea I started
walking and there were so many empty
stores I had no idea you were here but
they got there kiosk yeah we that's one of the things I mean it's not
the the be all but I think the kiosk
would help with that identifying what
businesses are on Main on A1A on ISB in
close proximity yeah I just wondered
what the progress was on the one signage
thing this whatever right signage was
there were about five of us who had
signage things well can I but I can miss
hrey I I can say that um uh about four
of the uh department heads have been um
uh we've been doing our research on
who's got kios throughout the State of
Florida the cities um so the last couple
weeks I probably had four teams meeting
where we're we've um had meetings with
other cities and trying to determine how
did they go about um getting their kiosk
because these are cities that already have them um and what was the
cost um of it and and and you know how
they're using it so we're in that
process then we're going to dump it off
to um purchase and to put it out to B do
we have any rfps out there oh yeah
plenty of them we got we got several of
them okay yeah and that was part of our
due diligence with talking to these
other um cities that already have them
well and I the one thing I wanted to add
is that the current staff is why I have
so much respect for you is this staff
right now finds a reason to tell us yes
years before they found reasons to tell
us no so the old Daytona is no longer
the old Daytona this is the new Daytona
so if we can make it easier that's great
but here's the problem with that now
I've been I'm a business person I've
tried to put I got so much I have
acreage on East ISB on either side I've
tried to come up with a lot of things
cities disagreed with one of those
things but you know what hindsight
looking
back there was a there's a reason for
that because it's not just about what I
want it's really what the city needs and
what I want and the biggest thing with
myself personally taken out of this
equation is that what I've learned is to
try to do something that will benefit
the city so that's why I look to the
staff and the the zoning restrictions to
try to guide me in that now maybe we can
tweak them different ways I mean I agree
but we're looking at zoning standards
that were set in the early 90s and if
they were going to work they would have
worked by now in my own opinion well they're they're going just my
opinion well I I'm going to tell you
this and this is previous to this staff
getting here the past city manager my my
property on 326 South Grand View excuse
me sorry my property on 326 South Grand
View the middle of my property was
accidentally changed to residential I
couldn't occupy my building for over
three years I had to go to the new city
manager and the the gentleman the young
lady across street they straightened it
up for me right
so and I'm not just doing this because I like you guys you're doing your
job you know what I mean so uh to say
that I can't say it's difficult I feel
so comfortable almost in tears all the
stuff you done you know what I'm saying
very polite very and I agree with you
though that we can make things easier
but we also got to be careful because if
you get years ago I wasn't the nicest
guy I ran strip clubs I I did own got to
be careful yeah but what I'm saying is not everything is
good for business on beach side and we
have to kind of within reason yeah and I
trust them to guide me that way thank
you thank you thank you will thank you
Ken thank you Angela anybody else NOP
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