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[1:57] all right let's begin with a roll call
[2:01] Mr Gary Libby here Mr Robert Ellis here
[2:05] Mr Gary
[2:07] kopos Mr Vernon weatherholt here miss
[2:10] Helen humph here Miss Amy pile here Mr
[2:14] William bidor here Mr Raymond M here
[2:19] excellent all right now that we have
[2:21] that done let's all stand and do our
[2:22] Pledge of
[2:28] Allegiance un States of
[2:31] America the for it stands one
[2:36] nation indivisible liy and justice for
[2:41] all
[2:43] amen
[2:47] yes all right now we're going to go to
[2:50] approval of our previous meetings
[2:52] minutes it appears that we have two here
[2:55] uh one for June 12th and one for August
[2:57] 14th I'll move approval of the June 12th
[3:01] do we have a second second all those in
[3:05] favor of approving our June 12th meeting
[3:07] minutes say I I I all those opposed
[3:10] seeing none that's approved uh now move
[3:14] on to our August 14th meeting approval
[3:17] do we have a motion I'll so move
[3:20] approval second all those in favor hi hi
[3:25] all those opposed seeing none we move
[3:28] forward and could I mention minutes were
[3:30] terrific that was a tough meeting to do
[3:32] minutes for and I salute you and you got
[3:36] the colonels of everything that was
[3:37] going on and very very well done thank
[3:40] you
[3:41] for she did a great job do we have a
[3:44] police report for let's go a can we go
[3:47] ahead and get that out of the way before
[3:48] we do staff and everything you guys good
[3:50] with that you come on
[3:52] up she's a good
[3:55] cop everyone hello hello hello you
[3:59] haven't met I'm Lieutenant Burns I cover
[4:01] the uh District 2 the East Side uh for
[4:03] Daytona Beach Police
[4:05] Department um for the last two weeks
[4:08] we've had
[4:10] 1,774 calls 315 reports 44 felony
[4:15] arrests 93 misdemeanor arrests 412
[4:20] traffic stops 323 citations from those
[4:24] traffic stops
[4:26] 355 um field interview cards
[4:30] and 42 courtesy cards 29 toad Vehicles
[4:34] 43 vehicle crashes three were DUI
[4:37] arrests 24 city ordinance violations and
[4:41] 19 arrests for trespassing or Park rule
[4:44] violations wow um 24 arrests were made
[4:47] for domestic related offenses in our
[4:50] district there were four aggravated
[4:52] assault incidents all of which were
[4:54] cleared by arrest there were five
[4:57] burglaries um three of which were
[4:59] cleared by arrest four car brakes and
[5:03] one of those was cleared by arrest three
[5:05] stolen vehicles one of those was
[5:08] recovered and um there were no robberies
[5:12] last two weeks so that's really good um
[5:15] we have officers that continue to check
[5:16] under the uh Bridges and through the
[5:18] city parks and they we we did 32 arrests
[5:23] for that um in Jackie Robinson we've
[5:26] been focusing there and there were 11
[5:28] arrests made there
[5:30] and every weekend we hire overtime for
[5:33] the seab breze corridor the bar area and
[5:36] during this time we had 37 calls five
[5:39] reports 94 traffic stops 77 citations 10
[5:44] parking violations um three felony
[5:47] arrests actually one of those uh
[5:49] resulted I think in two recovered guns
[5:53] uh 15 G of cocaine and 13 G of marijuana
[5:57] and that was one of our sergeants that
[5:59] was on over time over there so that was
[6:00] a really good one um we had that felony
[6:03] arrest we also picked up um one of our
[6:07] detectives also picked up a wanted
[6:09] person who uh is a violent criminal
[6:12] picked him up on seab breze as well uh I
[6:14] think that might have been two weekends
[6:16] ago um so they're really active out
[6:19] there on the weekends and uh hopefully
[6:21] we're making something kind of
[6:22] difference out there so um we're right
[6:25] now planning or at least preparing for a
[6:28] possible truck October uh event and then
[6:33] uh biketober
[6:34] Fest is that sanctioned the truck to
[6:38] test I don't believe so so it's just a
[6:41] potential one we're not sure because of
[6:43] Pas times um we're just kind of planning
[6:46] for it in case it pops up who covers
[6:48] that Val uh valusa County the sheriff's
[6:51] no on the beach oh on the beach is the
[6:54] sheriff yes MH up on land is up even if
[6:56] it's not sanctioned they will yeah just
[7:00] Patrol is normal than as soon as well as
[7:02] soon as the sheriff puts out that
[7:04] warning now the um how they can have
[7:07] their trucks like if it's an event a
[7:09] popup event where everything is enhanced
[7:12] it usually it usually stops it from
[7:15] happening absolutely that'll probably
[7:17] happen in this one hopefully thank you
[7:19] MH uh from what I've seen seab Bree has
[7:21] had a very positive impact since you
[7:24] know Kudos did the police department
[7:26] doing a great job I think that the
[7:28] cameras are helping a lot because it's
[7:31] really on the minds of the criminals
[7:33] they've actually complained about it I
[7:34] run a sober house in Pearson I run a
[7:37] sohouse and Pearson also and they're
[7:39] complaining about like I don't want to
[7:40] sell drugs in Daytona because they got
[7:41] cameras that's great go somewhere else I
[7:44] have to tell you those cameras from my
[7:47] perspective are fantastic whoever idea
[7:50] that was it was
[7:52] amazing our
[7:54] commissioner stck we had the a potential
[7:58] um
[8:00] situation over on the West Side still
[8:01] being investigated so I don't want to
[8:03] talk about too much but it started over
[8:05] on seab breze and we were able to track
[8:07] because of the cameras we can track the
[8:09] person's every movement and identify and
[8:12] then we have um other things that we can
[8:14] focus on to identify people so those
[8:16] cameras are amazing what what I'm trying
[8:19] to do on uh and Cuda is on South Grand
[8:21] View because there was like a major Pro
[8:23] everybody was parking in front of and that got taken care of and it um
[8:28] it's going to slow down a little bit I'm
[8:29] working along with the city I'm putting
[8:31] cameras up there on South gra View and
[8:33] across East ISB so so that way I don't
[8:37] know how I get those to the police
[8:38] department we'll have to figure that out
[8:40] it's great it's great those cameras are
[8:42] doing amazing it really does yes and I
[8:45] want to commend you we have cameras all
[8:47] over my business we had no problems but
[8:50] at night one night we did have a group
[8:53] that moved in and thought they could
[8:55] just live there yes ma'am and I called
[8:57] came immediately I love that thank you for that thank
[9:08] you does anybody else have any other
[9:10] questions comments no oh all right all
[9:13] right thank you thank you for having me
[9:15] thank you thank you thank you you're
[9:16] welcome thank you all right now we have
[9:18] a commercial property Improvement
[9:20] funding request for is this for 615 Main
[9:23] Street or 614 cuz I saw both 615 and 614
[9:28] both okay that's what I thought was I'm
[9:31] sure um Mr chairman for the record Mr um
[9:36] kopulos is present y he sure
[9:41] is um good evening I'm Angela amstrong
[9:44] project manager for the Main Street and
[9:46] South Atlantic CRA and tonight I'm going
[9:49] to present item number six which is the
[9:53] commercial property Improvement funding
[9:56] request for 615 Main Street
[10:01] Mr Tom guest applicant and owner
[10:04] representative is requesting the
[10:06] Redevelopment board to approve the
[10:09] request for funding through the 0%
[10:12] interest loan commercial Improvement
[10:14] incentive
[10:16] program the property is located at 615
[10:20] Main Street between white Olive and
[10:23] South o Leander
[10:26] Street review of and the decision on the
[10:30] commercial incentive application shall
[10:32] be based on the following
[10:34] preconditions is it a conforming use the
[10:37] subject property is in the rdv2
[10:40] Redevelopment bite specialty retail
[10:44] zoning District which allows retail
[10:47] sales and services as a principal use
[10:51] this property is a conforming use within
[10:53] the zoning District does the property
[10:55] have any delinquent adalan taxes or
[10:59] Municipal of County Lans a staff has not
[11:02] found any delinquent ad Balor taxes or
[11:06] County Lans on this
[11:08] property how the project will contribute
[11:11] to the elimination or prevention of a
[11:14] slum and bl this subject property is in
[11:18] one of our core areas the applicant is
[11:21] proposing the the replacement of all 34
[11:25] is 34 or 39 Windows to bring the bu
[11:29] building into
[11:32] compliance and this is a picture of the
[11:35] building as you can see um the windows
[11:39] have been never changed and um you know
[11:43] it's causing every time it rains it has
[11:47] um leaking through the window so they
[11:50] need to change
[11:52] it this is another side of the
[11:56] building those are the windows that
[11:58] needs to to be
[12:00] changed these will all be impact Windows
[12:03] correct yes
[12:07] okay if F staff recommends approval of
[12:10] the commercial Improvement grant for 615
[12:13] Main Street in the amount not to exceed
[12:17] $50,000 a majority vote by the Vite
[12:20] Redevelopment board members present and
[12:23] voting is required to recommend approval
[12:26] to the Comm City commission the
[12:28] applicant is here if you have any
[12:30] questions you can um I know that we have
[12:33] on the pipeline more Improvement to this
[12:36] building but this is the first um the
[12:39] first one because it's most needed on
[12:41] the building that was going to be my
[12:42] first question yeah I answered that then
[12:46] um do you know are is there going to be
[12:48] Central HVAC or after the windows go in
[12:50] are they going to be open with uh window
[12:55] shakers gu
[13:00] [Applause]
[13:05] Mr chairman members of the board City
[13:07] staff uh I'm Tom guest uh uh and I'm the
[13:11] manager of this building which is
[13:13] actually uh legally uh 614 Main Street
[13:17] okay the uh windows are going in all
[13:20] upstairs which is the address of 616
[13:23] Main Street
[13:26] I that's across the street in the city
[13:28] parking lot in the county parking lot
[13:31] okay okay now what was the question um
[13:33] are you guys going to put HVAC upstairs
[13:35] Central HVAC or is it going to be the
[13:37] window units in every window it's going
[13:39] to be window units window units are are
[13:41] you guys finding that when the rain
[13:42] comes through you're having a lot of
[13:43] leaks through where the window units are
[13:45] too no no these windows uh I've been an
[13:49] occupant of that building since 1985
[13:51] okay Windows not have not been changed
[13:54] before I came into the building in a
[13:56] while and uh you know they're they're in
[13:59] really really bad shape we have done a
[14:01] lot of repairs a lot of patching on
[14:03] these windows over the past years that
[14:05] I've managed the property and uh it's
[14:07] gotten to the point where uh theyve just
[14:10] got to be replaced M and it will you
[14:12] know it's going to be all white vinyl so
[14:15] it's going to uh improve the the uh
[14:18] Aesthetics Aesthetics of the uh
[14:20] building uh and the area because they're
[14:23] going to match the I've got sliding
[14:24] glass uh doors which are white vinyl
[14:27] down on the first floor so it's going to
[14:29] match very nicely and uh uh the pictures
[14:32] don't show it but if you if you get over
[14:33] close and you look at these windows
[14:35] they're uh they're almost as old as I
[14:38] am yes sirad yeah Tom what are what are
[14:41] the uses upstairs what spaces be used
[14:45] for there's 11 Apartments upstairs oh
[14:47] there are Apartments 11 and wow
[14:50] downstairs there businesses downstairs
[14:53] five five business locations five stores
[14:56] okay okay which five stores are
[14:58] downstairs
[15:00] uh well I just can't think off the top
[15:02] of my head I know I'm the corner but I'm
[15:04] St well starting at 608 you've got uh
[15:08] cigar guy uh uh six uh 610 you've got a
[15:14] uh leather
[15:15] Merchant 612 is silver
[15:18] jewelry uh 6 14 614 is uh some yeah I forget the name of the
[15:30] business but it's it's it's paintings
[15:32] that you that they I know the block
[15:33] you're talking that they play music out
[15:35] of t-shirts on the corner okay all right
[15:38] does anybody else have any other
[15:39] questions for Mr gust are there I mean
[15:42] are there people living in the apartment
[15:43] oh yes yes I have one vacant one right
[15:47] now but for the most part I keep them
[15:50] pretty much
[15:51] occupied they've stayed rented over the
[15:53] years they really have so sorry hi Tom
[15:59] uh so my question is about um you you
[16:01] mentioned there were other improvements
[16:03] going to be happening to this building
[16:06] um are there is there
[16:07] other uh grant money available say for
[16:11] the awning and some of the things going
[16:14] on down stairs I mean I know this is two
[16:17] different things but I'm just you're
[16:18] asking me or you asking well I can I can
[16:21] you know I'm I'm wondering because
[16:22] looking at it I mean I'm just to me it
[16:25] would be nice to have a new warning
[16:28] there as as far as the main street
[16:30] streetcape and then um also you know I
[16:33] would talk about show Windows what's
[16:35] going on in the show Windows which you
[16:37] might have some influence since these
[16:38] are your tenants um we could you know I
[16:42] just kind of wonder what you thought
[16:43] about that um the business owner are
[16:46] entitled to apply for the grant so we
[16:51] changed the owning and one of the
[16:53] tenants already has the application so
[16:55] we can oh great great so we can improve
[16:58] the excellent so that that's that'll be
[17:00] more improvements to the building that's good to hear um and then I just I
[17:04] mean because I have I have to ask
[17:06] because we've been discussing the view
[17:09] the storefront views of buildings that
[17:11] aren't used except during biker events
[17:15] you know we're we've been discussing
[17:18] options for you know some like it would
[17:21] be
[17:22] beautification to have Windows either
[17:24] have some sort of a you know I don't
[17:27] know if it's called a wrap or a you know
[17:29] they make these kind of decal things
[17:30] that look attractive like instead of
[17:32] just the white paper for example now
[17:34] this isn't really have anything to do
[17:36] with the Grant and I wouldn't like I'm
[17:38] not going to vote against the Grant in
[17:40] any way this but if you have influence
[17:42] with your tenants that are in those you
[17:45] know as far as your leases and so on is
[17:48] there any way to kind of Step Up the
[17:51] game as far as what we see from the
[17:53] street I believe there is and there was
[17:55] something I mean the said many years ago
[17:58] I remember the city did this the city
[18:00] had a plan and uh if you wanted to order
[18:03] them from the city would make uh some of
[18:05] these different screens whatever you
[18:07] want to call them appliques so that uh
[18:10] you could actually see out of them but
[18:12] you couldn't see in right you know and
[18:15] it could have something decorative on it
[18:16] yes they had they had all kinds of
[18:18] different scenes you know beach scenes
[18:21] Mountain scen so you kind of like that
[18:22] idea that yes yeah absolutely all right
[18:26] thanks it's something we we've been sort
[18:28] of think smart idea thanks all right
[18:32] anybody else oh I just was curious who
[18:35] owns the building then oh it's Nesco
[18:38] Associates LLC it's uh it's a couple people from Winter Park okay they
[18:44] bought it in 2010 MH I started manag I I
[18:48] was in there I had a retail business uh
[18:51] which I retired about that time I became
[18:54] manager of the building a couple years
[18:56] before that and uh when they bought the
[18:58] building they said they were interested
[19:00] in buying it but only if I came with
[19:03] it that was the exact statement at the
[19:05] time so here I am what a
[19:09] deal all right well we have to wait on
[19:12] Mr Libby to get back here thank you
[19:15] we'll move
[19:16] forward thank you thank you Tom
[19:28] [Music]
[19:32] yeah while while we're waiting I mean I
[19:33] think I feel like we've mentioned it I
[19:36] guess I've thought about it so much
[19:37] sometimes I forget whether we've talked
[19:39] about it but the you know the screens
[19:40] that he's talking about it's kind of
[19:41] like a pierced decal you know that
[19:44] perforated ones a perforated one that
[19:46] you know could have you know if if there
[19:50] was some oversight of what went on them
[19:53] and it wasn't just arbitrary you know I
[19:55] think it oh actually I think it's
[19:56] something I might have put in my suggest
[19:58] questions now that I think about it so
[20:01] we'll probably get to that anyway I'm
[20:03] done what item number is this joh this
[20:06] item number
[20:09] okay all right thank you we'll have
[20:11] public comment John
[20:15] Nicholson nichon 43 North Grand Avenue
[20:18] the picture that they showed you look at
[20:20] the awning on that corner building could
[20:23] it be repainted I mean given the fact
[20:25] that we're giving this loan and it's to
[20:27] enhance the building
[20:29] that takes away from everything on the
[20:32] building and secondly the
[20:35] um what do they call it there's a name
[20:38] for it now the painting on the side the
[20:40] mural the mural uh is there way is there
[20:43] a time frame because I know we allowed
[20:45] it years ago uh it's getting kind of
[20:49] faded and there's another one down the
[20:50] street also Getting Faded uh is there a
[20:53] time frame on refreshing the murals I
[20:57] think the one down the street got repain
[20:58] it already John yeah yeah it did for
[21:01] sure the one down the street did I don't
[21:03] believe did you hrey did you yours I
[21:05] believe Tom's going to answer I have a
[21:07] application because I'm having the whole
[21:09] thing redone there's one on the corner
[21:11] of the building I'm in as well that on
[21:13] the corner yes because I didn't know
[21:15] whether we had a
[21:17] um a rule in it when we okay it because
[21:21] we did that 40 years ago with the light
[21:23] bulb Gary you will remember light bulbs
[21:26] and the fluoresence and whatnot that we got rid of them because they weren't
[21:31] being changed and whatnot so I'm
[21:33] wondering if we did that thank you thank
[21:34] you John and as M Armstrong stated uh uh
[21:38] the tenant in the corner of the building
[21:40] in the corner shop has already put in an
[21:43] application to replace the awning not
[21:46] just repair it replace it because it's I put that awning up there back in the
[21:51] uh '90s uh it's been replaced several
[21:54] times but it's uh right now well we used
[21:57] to be able to make them with
[22:00] canvas City won't allow that anymore you
[22:02] got be made with vinyl vinyl does not
[22:04] last over there vinyl will not last on
[22:07] the beach side so that's only uh I mean
[22:10] looking at the awning it is deplorable
[22:13] it's only five or six years old yeah MH
[22:15] and we've cleaned it many many times
[22:18] know as far as the mural on the end of
[22:19] the building uh I've been speaking with
[22:22] the several different people to get it
[22:23] to repaint I also put that on the
[22:26] building back in the 990s and uh
[22:29] it has been
[22:30] redone I think four times since then you
[22:34] know the paint just the weather's har
[22:36] bee side they don't last long got to
[22:38] redo so anyways yeah those are things
[22:40] that we are we are taking care of okay
[22:43] thank you for answering that Tom last
[22:45] comment Tom are you aware that Main
[22:47] Street is a national register of
[22:50] historic District's location not local
[22:53] but National I've heard rumors about
[22:56] that I the rumors are I I don't know
[23:00] exactly and the only reason uh I'm very
[23:03] glad you're doing what you're doing and
[23:04] I think the program is excellent because
[23:07] we we're in a little bit of a conundrum
[23:09] there when it did not go forward for
[23:12] local designation because with local
[23:14] designation would come all kinds of
[23:16] requirements design standards and the
[23:19] kinds of Windows and things like that we had a commission that that uh we had
[23:25] like three or four historic local
[23:27] historic districts in a row and the city
[23:29] was getting you know right right up to
[23:31] here with history unfortunately right um
[23:34] so I salute uh your doing this and
[23:37] taking advantage of this program I'm
[23:39] very glad we have this program I think
[23:41] it's an excellent one it'll get these
[23:43] buildings up to a standard now that make
[23:46] them make the rents you know more
[23:48] rentable the physical spaces better the
[23:52] income uh better for these properties
[23:55] and therefore the street better as well
[23:57] so thanks very much
[23:59] we're doing whatever we can down there
[24:00] and the windows are a triple pain yeah
[24:04] okay with the outside hurricane and
[24:06] double pain in between with the gas in
[24:08] between it to uh maintain heat and heat
[24:12] and cooling those are the best ones
[24:14] absolutely the best ones thank you
[24:16] Tom all right I apologize for running
[24:19] out I got a silent alarm somebody was
[24:21] trying to get into my car so I went down
[24:24] and checked it and it's we're fine it's
[24:25] everything they didn't couldn't get in
[24:28] all right well I'd like to make a motion
[24:30] we approve this that's what I was just
[24:32] going for yeah I'll second the motion we
[24:34] have two seconds there all those in
[24:36] favor say I I I all those opposed seeing
[24:41] none or approved 615 Main Street
[24:44] pleasure sir thank
[24:46] you all right got that now one window in
[24:51] my house to Happ we're moving on to a
[24:56] board discussion on the Beachside
[24:57] neighborhood watch
[25:00] yeah Mr chairman there was um an update
[25:04] to the resolution and I provided you on on your packet MH and is open to
[25:10] board discussion if you have any
[25:13] suggestions so
[25:16] okay does anybody have any comments on
[25:18] this is it is it a
[25:20] presentation is it are the asking for
[25:23] anything is there any motion involved in
[25:25] it is this the the um um presentation
[25:29] before the commission to alter um
[25:33] Landscaping I mean what what is for the
[25:35] Beachside plans yes is it the the the
[25:38] resolution that you already had that you
[25:40] discussed it was an update on August um
[25:46] first so I provided you with the updated
[25:50] so you can have it and we have Miss en
[25:53] Ruby here that can um can talk about
[25:55] that could we have a brief presentation
[25:58] I think it's warranted who's the chair
[26:01] here you Tak over ask I'm sorry everyone
[26:04] can speak everyone can speak it's open
[26:06] it's a board discussion do do you guys
[26:08] feel like we need a
[26:11] presentation yeah I feel like a
[26:13] presentation to clarify would help as
[26:15] well just a little introduction yes yeah
[26:17] so an Ruby 136 Park Avenue I'm chairman
[26:20] of the Beachside neighborhood watch we
[26:21] have several Beachside neighborhood
[26:23] watch Board of director members here
[26:25] including Mr weather Holtz um we had a
[26:28] originally brought before you the one
[26:29] that we passed September 7th
[26:32] 2023 and there were a lot of questions
[26:34] raised about that well was there
[26:36] scientific evidence um do a study find
[26:39] out what else is happening we weren't
[26:41] actually ever proposing a direct change
[26:44] to the LDC we're not proposing that this
[26:47] be put on requirements put on
[26:49] Residential Properties what the so on
[26:52] August 1st of this
[26:54] year BMW passed a companion resol
[26:58] resolution so there's two resolutions
[27:01] the companion resolution reads in
[27:03] September 2023 bnw presented the city
[27:06] commission with the attached resolution
[27:09] on the use of non-functional turf grass
[27:11] the resolution was received with much
[27:13] head nodding on the commission but no
[27:16] action bnw has passed this second
[27:18] resolution asking the Beachside
[27:20] Redevelopment board and the planning
[27:22] board to urge the city commission to
[27:25] take action to instruct City staff to
[27:28] use the intentions of the original bnw
[27:31] resolution as a springboard to examine
[27:35] what changes could be made Citywide to
[27:37] our LDC and development standards to
[27:40] encourage increased use of native plants
[27:42] and a decreased use of non-functional
[27:44] turf grass on City properties and new
[27:47] commercial developments additionally bnw
[27:50] would like to see the city commission
[27:52] develop a resolution similar to ours
[27:54] that they would pass on to the state and
[27:56] the county NE nether resolution is a
[27:59] direct proposed change to the LDC
[28:02] neither resolution is intended
[28:05] to impose new standards on Residential
[28:08] Properties passage of this second
[28:10] resolution is intended to Spur the
[28:12] commission to take action the
[28:14] instruction to City staff for the
[28:17] examination of what changes could be
[28:19] made Citywide to our LDC and development
[28:21] standards to encourage increased use of
[28:24] native plants and a decreased use of
[28:26] non-functional turf grass on City
[28:28] properties and new commercial
[28:30] developments so that's so that's kind of
[28:33] what we put on top of the resolution we
[28:35] first passed because we wanted to make
[28:37] sure that it was clear what we were
[28:39] asking the city commission seemed like
[28:42] they really wanted to support what we
[28:43] were asking for you know if we can get
[28:46] different standards in place and get
[28:48] different ways of using plants we can
[28:51] save the city money we can save the
[28:52] environment we can help create a more
[28:55] appropriate looking beach side and we're
[28:58] just asking the com we want the we would
[29:01] like BMW board support planning board
[29:03] support to ask the commission to ask
[29:07] staff to examine these standards and can
[29:10] they be updated to
[29:12] include yes I'm was going to say I went
[29:15] down to Port Orange on the dun lton
[29:17] Bridge Road there is a very very low
[29:21] growing with tiny white flowers all
[29:24] along there it looks beautiful and when
[29:27] you look on International Speedway right
[29:30] at the
[29:31] 7-Eleven where they've dug up and dug up
[29:34] that same plant has come up by itself I
[29:37] want to find the name of it I have I've
[29:40] got it on my camera it is wonderful and
[29:43] it only grows this high so you don't
[29:45] have to spray it you don't have to water
[29:47] it in the terrible conditions it is
[29:50] spreading and looks wonderful so why put
[29:53] grass there exactly absolutely why put
[29:55] grass there I want to put it in my front
[29:57] yard
[29:58] so my my question to you is do you need
[30:01] us to vote and say we like this or do we
[30:04] need to send a representative to the
[30:06] city commission we're just asking that
[30:09] we like it we just we're just asking
[30:10] that you vote to say we the Beachside
[30:12] Redevelopment board would like to see
[30:15] you in you know look at these standards
[30:18] again well I'd make I'll make I'll
[30:21] make some more discussion if I can make
[30:24] a motion yeah and I second yeah let's
[30:27] see if everyone has any question
[30:28] questions about it and then we'll
[30:29] discuss and make a motion I agree do
[30:32] either of you have any questions I'm
[30:33] 150% for it it's it's a no-brainer it's
[30:36] going to save money when you're talking
[30:38] about you're cutting down expenses in a
[30:39] business I'm just a businessman if you
[30:41] can cut down my overhead and this is our
[30:44] city we want to cut I want to cut the
[30:45] city's overhead down and it does it and
[30:47] it does it efficiently yeah I'm for it
[30:50] no questions I got a question I
[30:52] personally want to know what those white
[30:54] flowers are cuz I want to put them on my
[30:56] La reverse
[31:00] picture reverse
[31:02] IM Jenny just said it Florida betney
[31:06] Laura betney okay Laura betney I'll come
[31:09] to
[31:10] your I've got a I've got a question an
[31:14] was the original proposal for the
[31:16] Beachside and now this is a Citywide
[31:18] proposal that might be why the
[31:21] commission sort of could be in favor of
[31:24] it but um it's it you just said City
[31:28] wide well the the original proposal came
[31:30] from Beachside neighborhood watch and we
[31:32] were originally just wanting to
[31:34] encourage it on the beach side correct
[31:35] but then as we you know and some of the
[31:38] objections you had raised decided to do
[31:40] the kind of a
[31:41] clarifying purpose of it that it really
[31:44] should be something that's addressed
[31:46] Citywide so you know it's it's kind of
[31:48] like the staff we're just asking them to
[31:51] ask the staff to look at this yeah um I
[31:54] think it makes sense Citywide where it may somewhat sense for the beach side
[31:59] but uh you either we either do it or we
[32:02] don't correct correct yeah yes it'd be
[32:06] nice to have some pictures idea what
[32:08] this looks like exactly because I tried
[32:11] a little experiment like that on my own
[32:14] property and in between those pretty
[32:16] flowers we get lots of weeds M yeah and
[32:19] weeds are a big problem and you're going
[32:22] to have to pay a team of people just to
[32:24] pick the weeds in between those pretty
[32:25] flowers we can't maintain what we have
[32:29] now well my entire yard I have zero
[32:32] grass my entire yard is native plants
[32:36] yeah and when it's dry it Browns out but
[32:39] then as soon as it rains it comes back
[32:40] and it's gorgeous but I yes I understand
[32:44] your from this the amend the amended or
[32:47] the additional language that this isn't
[32:49] superseding anything this is in addition
[32:52] to what we
[32:53] already allow for landscaping it's it's
[32:57] asking them to to examine how what they
[32:59] are allowing you know sometimes they'll
[33:01] say the list trees or a type of plant
[33:04] that should be planted and they're not
[33:08] necessarily including natives or not you
[33:10] know there's there's natives they could
[33:11] use instead of um so we're just asking
[33:15] them just want them to look at it we
[33:16] just want option put there it is is that
[33:21] the bety that's at that's it at all the
[33:25] construction work that's going on it's
[33:28] just doing beautifully all by itself M
[33:31] yeah you don't have to do anything to
[33:32] those and you was there a a any mention
[33:35] about the cost of doing a pro a project
[33:38] like this because if it is Citywide I
[33:41] could see where I mean I'm not saying
[33:43] that cost is any part of it but it is a
[33:47] factor
[33:49] um I could I could answer it's not it's not asking if there's turf
[33:54] grass out there already it's not saying
[33:56] rip up the turf grass do something else
[33:59] it's that if like when they're going to
[34:01] do the new me they're going to do new A1
[34:04] for allowable uses in future and they're
[34:06] going to do new A1A let's have the city
[34:09] at make sure that some of those
[34:11] plantings are not turf grass that there
[34:13] are other Alternatives that can be
[34:15] examined yeah okay I could add one thing
[34:18] just one thing climate appropriate
[34:19] things right just just one thing I think
[34:23] it it would cut expenses down
[34:24] tremendously on gram view I haven't had grass in front that's living you
[34:30] know anytime so the the natural habitat
[34:33] is really meant to be there it's grass
[34:35] is just not meant to live I can water it
[34:38] I can do all these things I just can't
[34:40] get it to live um and then you have uh
[34:44] on East ISB before they did the road
[34:47] construction most of that grass was
[34:48] dying and didn't look good so maybe this
[34:52] is a very good uh solution Solution
[34:55] that's going to be cheaper in the long
[34:57] run
[34:58] because after so many years how long
[35:00] does that Turf gas Last 5 Years out in
[35:02] the sun maybe before it Withers and then
[35:05] 5 years we're doing it
[35:07] again and you have to mow it and you
[35:10] have to spray it so no I'm talking I I
[35:13] was talking the uh artificial grass if
[35:14] they put it in you got to remember that
[35:16] Heat's coming down and you got to think
[35:18] of this sun you know doing it up north
[35:20] is one thing doing it here in Florida on
[35:22] the beach is another it's going to it's
[35:23] going to fade not
[35:26] sure good thought sorry so so one of the issues that they will have to
[35:32] Broach is that you have to have an
[35:35] educated um or
[35:38] re-educated Landscaping team because as
[35:42] Mr koplos said you know you have these
[35:44] beautiful little white flowers here and
[35:45] little yellow flowers here and weeds
[35:47] come up in the middle well if you don't
[35:49] know what that is that weed could turn
[35:51] into a beautiful little low growing
[35:54] flower but if you don't know what it is so you know one of the challenges not
[36:01] opposed to this at all but um you know
[36:03] they have to be willing to look at that
[36:05] as well because you can't just send your weed eat guys out to a lawn like
[36:10] this because I have a lawn like this I
[36:11] let I let everything grow and if I see
[36:14] something that is too bushy or
[36:16] unattractive or has stickers on it I I
[36:19] pull them out yeah um and I let
[36:21] everything else grow and and I have lots
[36:23] of beautiful flowers butterflies bees
[36:25] and everything um so that's kind of
[36:27] right what we're hoping to go for so
[36:30] might be nice to get a landscape
[36:31] expert's opinion on yes and a and a like
[36:34] a landscape expert that is not just into
[36:38] you know making it look like carpet yeah
[36:40] I mean you want it to look appealing
[36:41] because that's yes right but I think but
[36:44] that would be that would be something
[36:45] that we would want to have stff feels
[36:47] they need to do that then you know but
[36:49] just let's get this kind of presented to
[36:52] them as something that we should cuz the commission when we presented our
[36:56] initial one was all like oh yeah yeah
[36:59] that sounds good that sounds good and
[37:00] then po next item of business yeah but
[37:03] we could do the leg work for them and
[37:05] have a well we have Jenny
[37:09] yeah presented first this also yeah well
[37:12] I was just GNA say the first picture
[37:13] that I sent down is what just came up by
[37:16] itself even though they have been
[37:18] digging up and digging up but this other
[37:20] long one is the Port Orange Bridge all
[37:24] along all the way up to the ocean and it
[37:27] is growing beautifully same I think you
[37:31] want it yeah I'd love to yeah yeah so
[37:34] anyhow I think if you
[37:36] know we're just asking that you pass
[37:38] this so we can get it before planning
[37:40] board we can get it before the
[37:42] commission so that we can ask the
[37:44] commission please ask staff to look into
[37:47] this that's what we're trying to do and
[37:49] I also agree that so this is a I think
[37:52] this is madees great sense okay good age
[37:54] I'm glad want to come back up on this
[37:57] got you for public com also from an
[38:00] environmental point of view I believe
[38:03] this is much better for the environment
[38:04] than grass cuz you have to spray all the
[38:06] poison that's right Amy so that's a big
[38:09] point right now that's right and this is
[38:11] not pass in between that is part
[38:14] PL yeah that's what I
[38:17] think we're g move on to public comment
[38:19] on this John Nicholson come on up that's
[38:21] what I
[38:24] want thank you Jenny
[38:31] johnon 413 North Grand View a um jny
[38:35] first proposed this I thought well it's
[38:38] a good idea because we are a Beach town
[38:41] and unfortunately uh we were founded by
[38:43] Yankees so all of our landscape looks
[38:47] like New England it looks like New
[38:49] Jersey and we're not New England we're
[38:51] not New Jersey we're we're Florida hey
[38:54] I'm still a Yankee I'm a Yankee but you
[38:58] still when you built your houses the
[39:00] landscape at the time Helen please let
[39:03] me finish don't interrupt not doing
[39:05] anything at the time when they came down
[39:07] we now continue that Landscaping we have
[39:10] a lot of the poporum and whatnot that
[39:12] are from up North they have to be
[39:14] trimmed etc etc uh it takes Staffing all
[39:18] right staffing has become extremely
[39:20] expensive I don't know if you've driven
[39:22] past McDonald's starting at $17 an hour
[39:25] California's I think up 20 25 an hour
[39:28] when you do that it's not only what
[39:30] you're paying now but when they retire
[39:33] it's what you pay for the rest of their
[39:35] lives all right so 40 Years of somebody
[39:37] sitting on their butt making $20 an hour
[39:40] is going to be expensive in the future
[39:42] so when you design this uh we had a
[39:45] problem with a18 all right and I've been
[39:48] to like oakd oakd now had to be redone
[39:52] because the plants they put in didn't
[39:53] last uh A1A the plants they put in
[39:56] didn't last s
[39:57] times um to the island they put
[40:00] landscaping around the walkway didn't
[40:03] last um a whena and ISB they put
[40:07] Landscaping on those two corners except
[40:09] for the big trees all the Landscaping is
[40:11] gone all right so when you replace all
[40:15] of these things if you could put in the
[40:17] grasses and the natives that don't need
[40:21] to be watered they don't need to be
[40:22] cared for like the grasses you cut them
[40:25] once a year that's it take away the
[40:28] foliage and it grows back and
[40:29] everybody's happy so generally there is
[40:32] no um Staffing cost or goes down
[40:37] drastically watering costs go down
[40:39] drastically because there is a problem
[40:41] with water in the future I know Staffing
[40:43] says oh no there's no problem we got
[40:45] plenty of water that's what Las Vegas
[40:48] thought there isn't plenty of water so
[40:50] I'm asking you to definitely push this
[40:53] not just for jetting not just for the
[40:55] beach I need watch but for the C area
[40:58] because we do want to be unique we want
[41:00] to be different than Miami we want to be
[41:03] different than Jacksonville we want to
[41:05] be a Beach town and we're overbuilding
[41:08] that's true and the more we build the
[41:10] less we look like a small Beach Town the
[41:14] only way we can hope to recoup that is
[41:16] through our landscaping and our design
[41:18] thank
[41:19] you yeah I agree with you totally and
[41:22] really what makes the city so great is
[41:25] the residents want to come here and
[41:27] speak like yourself and that's something
[41:29] I wanted to thank you for and I
[41:31] appreciate you thank you and girls as
[41:33] well just going to point that we have
[41:36] people that have already been saying
[41:38] just that same thing Y Man Jenny
[41:42] nzac come on
[41:46] up Jenny nasac 501 Harvey Avenue as a uh
[41:51] in the profession of permac culture
[41:53] which is a design system for creating St
[41:57] able human environments that's a
[42:00] mouthful but it's where we have the
[42:02] human environment and we're working with
[42:04] nature instead of against nature so now
[42:07] plants right they look pretty they can
[42:09] be nice they're also green
[42:11] infrastructure they are sucking up storm
[42:13] water big time they are um supporting
[42:16] the pollinators without whom we shall
[42:19] die yes like this is not some cute like
[42:22] some people think environmentalism is
[42:24] still a cute hobby it ain't cute like
[42:26] we're into survival here and and then
[42:30] and but things like the flood waters and
[42:32] things like that very very important and
[42:34] also to not be using too much water all
[42:38] that to be conserving the fresh pable
[42:41] water that we do have so it's it all
[42:44] kind of I like it when things all point
[42:46] in the same direction and I'm also
[42:47] hardcore fiscal conservative I can't
[42:50] stand I can't stand waste when I hear
[42:55] things being like trees being being cut
[42:57] unnecessarily there's like the the soft
[43:00] environmental part of me but there's
[43:02] also the the hardcore like fiscal
[43:05] conservative like just stop it
[43:09] man is going on like because but I don't
[43:12] cut costs to just save a pile of money
[43:15] and hoard a pile of money no I cut costs
[43:19] to because money needs to be deployed to
[43:22] other necessary situations all over our
[43:25] city like for example I I think every
[43:28] bus stop needs shade for example like
[43:31] needs needs some kind of shelter because
[43:32] people are going to be getting heat heat
[43:34] Str yeah yeah things like that so in
[43:37] many areas throughout our beautiful city
[43:39] where we have real human needs that are not being adequately addressed
[43:44] every single penny we can save on
[43:48] unnecessary maintenance of high
[43:50] maintenance Landscaping is is awesome
[43:53] and then plus as John and others have pointed out it gives us this this
[43:58] beautiful identity Mother Nature gives
[44:00] us free um unique local Beauty like
[44:03] she's like a free marketing agency and
[44:06] okay so that the plant Helen there's a
[44:09] couple of plants that have that carpet
[44:12] aspect that are whitish or light purple
[44:14] flowers that particular one is known as
[44:17] Mexican Clover corre the Latin name
[44:20] richardus scabra and I believe that
[44:23] would qualify as a Florida friendly
[44:25] there's this gets kind of technical but
[44:27] there's like native and there's Florida
[44:29] friendly they all get along nicely they
[44:32] are drought tolerant they are flood
[44:34] tolerant they don't need chemicals they get their own water so they're are
[44:40] friends and if you if a person chooses
[44:44] like a person can mow their yard on a
[44:47] schedule and on the beach side if a
[44:49] yard's not being chemically treated and
[44:52] has not been overlaid with the
[44:54] smothering carpet of sod grass you will
[44:57] get a default the default would be a
[44:59] multi-c carpet of it can be three or
[45:02] four or five or seven types of flowers
[45:06] and they they do a growth habit so if
[45:09] you're the type of person who likes to
[45:11] mow their yard you know a couple times a
[45:14] month in the dry season and you know
[45:17] once a week or so in the wet season then
[45:20] that carpet will be that height um
[45:22] actually Miss Sandy Murphy has a a
[45:25] classic yard that is called um the
[45:28] Florida native plant expert her name is
[45:30] Jenny styal and she's the definitive
[45:32] Source on Florida native plants good she
[45:35] talks about a thing called a freedom
[45:37] lawn that is a lawn that needs no
[45:39] chemicals and is just a carpet of all
[45:42] the Florida natives now there is one
[45:44] plant that is very reviled by the turf
[45:47] grass industry it is called dollarweed
[45:50] oh every we are trained to hate it it is
[45:53] in fact a Florida native and it is is it
[45:56] is a pollinator support it actually has
[45:59] a small flower and supports pollinators
[46:01] and it's actually edible I mean it's not
[46:04] the yummiest thing in the world but if
[46:05] you're you know you're desperate yeah e
[46:08] it yes what one question because I is
[46:12] there certain plants or things we can
[46:15] plant that will help us more with flood
[46:17] mitigation than more than other plants
[46:20] some plants are thirstier than others is
[46:22] there is there study done on that is it
[46:25] yeah the No but way but it but what
[46:28] where there is like for example on the
[46:30] Florida Native Plant Society website
[46:33] they have a very large catalog of the
[46:37] water characteristics like the how how
[46:39] much water does it use what does it like wet feet oh wow there are
[46:43] certain plants now in my yard I have a
[46:47] clumping non-invasive bamboo that sucks
[46:50] up storm water I have Elderberry which
[46:53] is a wonderful immune tonic and makes
[46:56] really tasty jelly and that sucks up
[46:59] storm water so there's lots of different
[47:02] what kind of bamboo is it again it's uh
[47:04] oh I don't remember the name of the
[47:05] species I've got to look it up it's a
[47:07] clumping non-invasive bamboo so it
[47:09] clumps and it doesn't just like spread
[47:11] out like this please let me know yeah
[47:13] there's lots of thirsty plants like
[47:15] Cypress plants are thirsty like around a
[47:17] pond on the mainland you might see some
[47:19] Cypress plants the trees that's a giant
[47:23] storm water pump and like oak trees it's
[47:25] a giant storm water yeah okay get the
[47:28] point um thank you well actually I
[47:31] wanted to speak on National Public Radio
[47:34] just recently I heard where indigenous
[47:37] people used to use a particular kind of
[47:39] grass to weave you could actually put
[47:42] water in their basket they are now in
[47:44] the process of planting along waterways
[47:47] that particular uh type of B it's bamboo
[47:50] a type of bamboo and grass uh and that
[47:54] it they now know does incredible job of
[47:57] holding soil protecting against floods
[48:00] and things uh so I wish I had listened
[48:03] more carefully interesting but they're
[48:05] actually planting and you can order
[48:08] pieces of it to plant in areas to help
[48:10] hold the soil that's very cool yeah good
[48:12] to know if you think of it yeah yeah let
[48:14] me know and then healthy soil in general
[48:17] absorbs storm water better yes so if
[48:19] we're not spraying chemicals in the soil
[48:22] then the soil food web of all the
[48:24] microbes that it holds more storm water
[48:26] yeah believe we have another question
[48:28] yes well Jenny's been at my backyard I'm
[48:31] a pass beekeeper Be
[48:34] Heaven and I have all native plants in
[48:37] the back
[48:39] there uh I do have an irrigation system
[48:42] but I don't use it often uh my favorite
[48:45] is Periwinkles yeah I'm a perrywinkle
[48:50] guy they'll come up they come up they
[48:52] keep coming up uh and it's something
[48:55] like that you don't have to water on
[48:57] they about as native as you can get here
[49:00] yeah buron is that a grass or a plant no
[49:03] it's a flower it's AOW it's a flower
[49:05] they grow about 18 in high white and all
[49:08] South Florida loaded with oh absolutely
[49:12] for there're they in the keys that was
[49:14] my whole yard but anyways I just put
[49:16] that in and uh I've added native
[49:20] trees and I think that one of the the
[49:23] areas
[49:24] it's can really be is
[49:27] uh the new buildings new hotels down
[49:30] along the beach everybody wants to put
[49:32] palm trees oh I know they you know palm
[49:34] trees is not a native
[49:36] plant but uh using the native trees and
[49:41] plants that grow they're salt tolerant
[49:43] you don't have to take care of them and
[49:46] I think that that's the area some of the
[49:47] bare areas along the beach we was just
[49:50] talking about that in the uh uh the
[49:53] commission meeting uh there's areas
[49:56] that's privately
[49:57] owned it's just bare they don't do
[50:00] anything they don't maintain it and
[50:02] everything and this would be a prime
[50:04] example for the city to have that in
[50:08] those areas uh they don't need a lot of
[50:11] uh care and everything have native
[50:13] plants in there and to make it look nice
[50:15] because the boardwalk one of the issues
[50:17] we're going to talk about tonight is one
[50:20] of the worst places in Daytona Beach
[50:24] right now it's it's past being so just
[50:28] putting that in comments thank you
[50:31] everybody good all right thank you all
[50:33] thanks
[50:35] shenny does anyone want to make a motion
[50:37] to approve here oh we had make a motion
[50:40] to approve had it second well it came
[50:43] out early before the I'd like to make a
[50:45] motion to approve this resolution and
[50:48] I all right all those in favor of the
[50:51] bnw resolution say I I all those opposed
[50:56] saying none
[50:57] passed all right yes thank you for
[51:02] persevering now we're moving on to our
[51:04] Beachside Redevelopment priority
[51:09] list everybody have that let me
[51:13] see I'm finally prind to see I think
[51:16] it's in our original yeah I got one of
[51:18] those as well Mr chair Ken Thomas
[51:20] Redevelopment
[51:22] director
[51:23] um Jenny needs her own radio show yes I would recommend that yes
[51:31] um I well I learned a lot already just
[51:34] listening tonight um excellent so Mr
[51:39] chair um um board members advisor board
[51:42] members um as you know you you were
[51:45] appointed by your your mayor and your
[51:48] city commission to to be part of this
[51:50] Advisory Board and to help implement or
[51:54] help City staff and help advise
[51:57] the mayor and the city commission help
[51:58] City staff to implement the
[52:00] Redevelopment plan um for Main Street in
[52:05] South Atlantic um as you know the plans
[52:08] were created back in 1982 and 2001 um
[52:12] respectively Main Street was um um 1982
[52:16] and um and the um South Atlantic was um
[52:20] 2001 um 2008 both plans were um amended
[52:26] and in 2011 the Main Street plan was
[52:29] amended um to incorporate um some of the
[52:33] goals and objectives of the um uh uh the
[52:36] ezone master plan so throughout the
[52:39] years this this is this plan has been in
[52:41] place for quite a long time but not
[52:44] recently updated what it's been um 14
[52:47] years since 13 years since um any of the
[52:50] plans have been um um re relooked at and
[52:54] so it is a good thing that we've been
[52:57] talking um throughout um our meetings
[53:00] every month about you know what our
[53:02] priorities are and so with you all you
[53:05] your your um recommendation to Let's
[53:09] establish a priority list and we'
[53:13] received over the last couple weeks now
[53:16] since we last met a number of issues and
[53:20] concerns um that have been given to
[53:23] staff um regarding the main street in
[53:25] the South Atlantic um CRA in your
[53:28] packets and you should have 11 by 17 of
[53:32] all of the issues and concerns that were
[53:35] given to us and so tonight what we want
[53:37] to do is go over those issues and
[53:41] concerns and I don't want to you know
[53:42] belabor this but I think it's important
[53:46] um that we at least go through each and
[53:49] every one of them it's only 18 yeah it's
[53:51] 18 of them but I think it's important
[53:54] that we go through each one of them
[53:57] and make sure that everyone understands
[54:00] what that particular issue um represent
[54:02] and if you have any questions we'll
[54:04] staff will try to answer them the
[54:06] respective um advisor board members know
[54:09] who you are um they they they recognize
[54:12] their information that was given to us
[54:14] so if we don't correctly um establish
[54:18] what you intended please feel free to um
[54:22] correct us tonight in addition to it the
[54:25] ones who were not able to in anything
[54:27] you will have an opportunity to add to
[54:29] our list so what I want to do tonight is
[54:31] just start with what we've been
[54:35] given I also want to indicate that you
[54:37] have about six dots um on your on your your Dees there that I will after
[54:44] the after the presentation is made we
[54:46] want you to take those six dots and we
[54:49] want you to put those dots on the areas
[54:51] the issues and concerns that are most
[54:53] important to you now with the six
[54:57] if there's one issue out of the 18 that
[54:59] we have you can take all six dots and
[55:01] put it on that one issue you can't it's
[55:05] up to you yeah um but if you have
[55:08] multiple issues yeah we have more dots
[55:10] you well we we don't want to give you
[55:12] more dots but but you can take those six
[55:15] dots and and um you know subdivide them
[55:19] and and put two on one issue and maybe
[55:22] three on another issue and you got one
[55:23] left um so um it is up to you but I
[55:27] think six docs out of 18 issues that we
[55:30] have um established here tonight is
[55:32] enough and what staff would do
[55:34] afterwards is we're going to take all
[55:37] your um indication with the dots and
[55:40] we're going to come back to the next
[55:41] meeting and um give you the results of
[55:44] it matter of fact you'll probably have
[55:46] the results before the next meeting
[55:48] because we're going to um um categorize
[55:50] them into
[55:52] subgroups um and so you'll you'll have
[55:55] all this information so that when we
[55:57] come back our next meeting we can have a
[55:59] full discussion about what everyone has
[56:02] um indicated and if you could please put
[56:04] your names on um your sheets yeah Ken
[56:09] there are about four areas in which all
[56:12] of these fit too well yeah I mean sort
[56:16] of s some of them are sort of they
[56:19] correlate but we didn't want to we
[56:21] didn't want to join the ones that we
[56:23] knew correlated because again it's
[56:25] important
[56:27] um that the individual um staff
[56:30] individual um advisor board member um
[56:33] had their items listed and we want to do
[56:35] that oh no no absolutely after the after
[56:38] the listing thank you yeah I'm wondering
[56:40] if if after the dots are done you could
[56:43] stick those things on a board and we see
[56:46] where the distribution is because I know
[56:48] that exterior the the look of both of
[56:51] these areas are the big or we we we
[56:54] thought about that Mr Libby but uh um I don't have 2020 Vision so if you sat
[56:59] up there you would be hard for you to
[57:00] see them here yeah so we just thought
[57:02] hey give you the the large 11 by 17 put
[57:05] them on this sheet and we'll transfer
[57:08] them to um a one complete document that
[57:12] you'll know how many dots were on each
[57:14] particular
[57:16] issue now um if there is a lot I I can I
[57:19] can read every last one of them uh it is
[57:22] a pleasure of the board how you want me
[57:24] to do it sure I was intend on reading
[57:26] each every one okay so I'm going to
[57:29] start out with um the first one um is
[57:31] appearance standards are critical to
[57:33] include a more proactive stance on code
[57:36] violations and appearance improvements
[57:38] throughout the beach side area on both
[57:41] public and private areas a plan is
[57:44] needed to improve Lighting in the
[57:45] Beachside Redevelopment area to help in
[57:48] security concerns and improving General
[57:51] overall
[57:52] appearance both new directional signage
[57:55] and Pacific signage for available
[57:58] parking areas and new parking either
[58:01] purchased by the city and or shared with
[58:03] Lucia County's current parking lots a
[58:07] more complete and transparent method for
[58:10] funding current special events and new
[58:13] events utilizing Peabody and the Ocean
[58:17] Center to better balance the perception
[58:19] of the Main Street Corridor and
[58:21] entertainment Zone
[58:24] potential better communication with
[58:26] existing property owners and other
[58:29] partners concerning their responsibility
[58:31] as property owners and participants in
[58:34] the growth and future of the
[58:36] Redevelopment
[58:49] area you all have it on your sho I'm
[58:52] just going to turn it around for the
[58:53] public so they have
[59:01] okay yeah they're not would have been
[59:04] helped if they were numbered too I think
[59:06] probably
[59:07] yeah okay helped a lot we can figure
[59:11] that out all right number five better
[59:13] communication with existing property
[59:14] owners and other partners concerning
[59:17] their responsibility as property owners
[59:19] and participants in the growth and
[59:21] future of the Redevelopment area staff
[59:24] playing a more proactive role
[59:26] with other divisions within the city to
[59:28] remedy the obvious problems in the
[59:30] general appearance of the beach side the
[59:33] need for the boardwalk and Breakers Park
[59:35] to be
[59:36] renovated the challenges of housings for
[59:39] rent in the Surfside Village without
[59:42] inspections and
[59:45] permits vacate vacant lot along the
[59:48] boardwalk which is not maintained
[59:50] properly and it is an isore for tourists
[59:54] and residents with graffiti on the walls
[59:56] and we're read I'm I am we did not
[59:58] change any of your verbage your grammar
[1:00:00] we just put it out there
[1:00:04] um parking create a unified appearance
[1:00:08] of userfriendly parking options
[1:00:10] throughout the
[1:00:11] CRA survey all available public parking
[1:00:15] on city and county property well that's
[1:00:18] just like the second one up here the
[1:00:21] first one on parking so uh you know I
[1:00:25] think what
[1:00:26] I think this one's public and the other
[1:00:28] one is County lots and City Lots I think
[1:00:31] that's the difference there Gary no they
[1:00:34] both say all all
[1:00:37] parking then you're just going to choose
[1:00:41] one yeah this is all about parking what
[1:00:45] I'm about to read from yeah 11 I think
[1:00:48] this is number 11 this is all parking
[1:00:50] it's all parking and then bacon lot is
[1:00:53] another one Amy is that yours yeah
[1:00:56] mhm so the first it says survey all
[1:01:00] available Park public parking on city
[1:01:02] and county um properties number one
[1:01:05] allow free parking or enable modern
[1:01:08] paper Park systems number two unify
[1:01:12] appearance with clear attractive signage
[1:01:15] number three create a way for people to
[1:01:17] find parking via the app or Google
[1:01:21] Maps allow businesses to charge a fee to
[1:01:25] park in their lot
[1:01:26] requiring a business tax receipt BTR and
[1:01:30] clear uniform signage we're still on
[1:01:35] parking
[1:01:37] subsidize or pay churches to offer free
[1:01:41] parking public parking in their existing
[1:01:44] parking lots and of course you know
[1:01:46] churches typically have um service on
[1:01:49] Sundays or on Wednesdays and mass and so
[1:01:53] you they the parking lot is um available
[1:01:56] many times of the of the week requiring
[1:01:58] a yearly registration with the city and
[1:02:01] clear uniform signage with times
[1:02:03] available and registration
[1:02:06] information identify properties that are
[1:02:08] only used as parking lots during large
[1:02:13] events establish maintenance and
[1:02:15] appearance standards for these
[1:02:17] properties via the Land Development code
[1:02:20] text amendments including the following
[1:02:22] so this is basically saying that
[1:02:26] you we want to establish this in the
[1:02:29] Land Development code but we're also
[1:02:31] telling you that it would take a Tex
[1:02:34] amendments which will include the
[1:02:36] following eliminate broken down fencing
[1:02:39] replace with a simple attracted border
[1:02:42] I.E painting the post so property
[1:02:45] remains inaccessible to Vehicles when
[1:02:47] there is no active permit signage
[1:02:51] requirements with clear attractive
[1:02:53] appearance that includes display of
[1:02:56] permits visibly seen grass is okay
[1:03:00] native low maintenance landscaping
[1:03:02] borders are
[1:03:03] encourage repair any Paving or replace
[1:03:07] with previous surface material keep free of
[1:03:12] trash require owners register the
[1:03:16] properties property or property as a
[1:03:19] temporary event pay
[1:03:22] parking and agree to comply with
[1:03:25] standards for participation as pay
[1:03:27] parking lots registration will remain
[1:03:30] active for a period of 2 years
[1:03:33] participation in any event will be
[1:03:34] contingent on standards being maintained
[1:03:37] year round staff will perform and
[1:03:40] document at least four random
[1:03:42] inspections throughout the year and
[1:03:44] exite inspection when the temporary
[1:03:46] permit is granted so basically if you
[1:03:49] have this permit the recommendation is
[1:03:52] that at least four random inspections
[1:03:54] will take place Place throughout the
[1:03:57] year and a site inspection when the
[1:03:59] temporary permit is granted you have to
[1:04:02] have that permit granted to you if
[1:04:04] violations are not cured within a period
[1:04:06] of 30 days the property will be dropped
[1:04:09] from the registration for a period of
[1:04:11] one calendar year and not permitted to
[1:04:14] participate and I'm assuming that's the
[1:04:16] following
[1:04:17] year yeah in the events in any events y
[1:04:22] work with the county to open the Main
[1:04:23] Street and Harvey Avenue Beach access to
[1:04:26] allow low tide parking and driving on
[1:04:29] the
[1:04:29] beach vacant Lots now we starting vacant
[1:04:32] Lots survey vacant Parcels in the
[1:04:36] CRA establish clear enforceable
[1:04:38] maintenance and appearance standards via
[1:04:41] the Land Development code text
[1:04:45] amendments and this is about vacant Lots
[1:04:48] tackle the worst and most visible
[1:04:50] first properties at the base of the um
[1:04:55] International Speedway Boulevard bridge
[1:04:57] at the base of the bridge former
[1:04:59] locations of the amusement park on the
[1:05:01] boardwalk large group of assembled
[1:05:04] properties at A1A and East
[1:05:07] ISB require lots to be brought up to
[1:05:09] minimum standards or take action and
[1:05:12] place a lean on the property to recoup
[1:05:14] the
[1:05:15] cost REM removing broken down fencing
[1:05:19] and remains from pre-existing structures
[1:05:22] or fixed sea walls and retaining walls
[1:05:25] those are code violations mhm well
[1:05:28] you've got Co three two other places
[1:05:31] where someone asks to maintain to
[1:05:34] establish and maintain code and make
[1:05:37] sure that it's not just written on a
[1:05:39] piece of paper but we have active action
[1:05:42] right maintaining the code so yeah again
[1:05:45] I think you I I think I agree completely
[1:05:48] with reading through the whole thing but
[1:05:50] these if you cut them up and put them in
[1:05:52] piles I think you'd have probably five
[1:05:55] in one four in another three in one and
[1:05:59] maybe two in in another pile because
[1:06:02] they're all dealing with the piles are
[1:06:05] dealing with separate things yeah but
[1:06:08] yeah we not do it tonight but but I do
[1:06:10] want to point out that some of the
[1:06:13] things that are listed here is not a
[1:06:15] requirement today right these are things
[1:06:18] that we're going to have to implement
[1:06:20] you would have to implement the city
[1:06:21] would have to agree to implement code
[1:06:23] yes sir which is a lot of it is is
[1:06:27] excellent you know but you would you
[1:06:29] would have to go through
[1:06:30] the the the code Amendment the planning
[1:06:34] and zoning and Land Development code
[1:06:36] changes I mean I would trust the staff
[1:06:38] to to look at them and and realize that
[1:06:41] there are five nouns that are the same
[1:06:43] in in six of these and those should go
[1:06:46] together because I
[1:06:48] think as my first paragraph in the or
[1:06:52] last paragraph said I'm sure my
[1:06:54] colleagues will have you know many that
[1:06:56] are similar or or or can could be
[1:07:00] construed or solved in in the same way
[1:07:03] and so this is fine but I I I'd feel
[1:07:06] better if we whittel this down into big
[1:07:08] categories that each one had three or
[1:07:10] four of these in it because then it
[1:07:12] makes sense rather than just but we can
[1:07:15] do that we can do that maybe at our
[1:07:18] next okay okay so City responsibilities
[1:07:22] any property owned or controlled by lecee or whatever should
[1:07:27] be held to the high standards for
[1:07:28] appearance fix broken fences and repair
[1:07:31] missing retaining walls public amenities
[1:07:34] such as Breakers park splash pad um
[1:07:37] coina Arch and the pier should be
[1:07:41] Immaculate both sides of the pier should
[1:07:43] be activated with City approved public
[1:07:46] art whether permanent or temporary could
[1:07:49] be funded with sponsorships that could
[1:07:51] be noted within the artwork City own
[1:07:54] light poles with the old blue and white
[1:07:56] lights need to be fixed immediately
[1:08:00] front of Corin building needs to be
[1:08:01] cleaned up while we wait for a tenant to
[1:08:04] begin renovation windows are cloudy need
[1:08:07] a graphic or M over them stubby chopped
[1:08:11] up fence looks
[1:08:17] ridiculous um Florida pal light AT&T as
[1:08:21] a partner um FPL needs to be pulled in
[1:08:24] as a partner in the appearance of the
[1:08:26] Redevelopment area there is no excuse
[1:08:29] for Old Poles taking years to remove
[1:08:33] Hallelujah electrical boxes with
[1:08:35] graffiti and stickers need to be
[1:08:37] surveyed regularly and addressed
[1:08:40] immediately dangling obsolete wires AT&T
[1:08:44] cables of course um need to be cleaned
[1:08:47] up everywhere and they are everywhere
[1:08:51] yes um Main Street and A1A storefronts
[1:08:54] this is this is is majority of private
[1:08:57] property now right um establish
[1:08:59] enforceable standards for appearance of
[1:09:01] storefront windows The Land Development
[1:09:04] code section
[1:09:06] 6.14 section g I assume that's chapter
[1:09:09] four and five addresses show Windows
[1:09:14] suggested changes to that section open
[1:09:17] active business exhibit a the view of
[1:09:20] the merchandise and Retail show Windows
[1:09:23] of of shall give give an un unobstructed
[1:09:28] view into the interior of the store at
[1:09:30] all times we need to have a
[1:09:34] view and the last and final
[1:09:38] page B the merchandise displayed in any
[1:09:41] show window shall be maintained with an
[1:09:44] uncluttered appearance any item
[1:09:47] displayed words or images that are
[1:09:49] sexual in nature or deemed for a mature
[1:09:52] audience can only be displayed at a
[1:09:54] minimum height of 6 ft from the level of
[1:09:57] the sidewalk outside or place back at a
[1:10:02] minimum of 4T from the window glass
[1:10:04] facing the street so that's
[1:10:07] internal um recommendation that it is at least 4 feet in height but away
[1:10:14] from the front of the the um Windows the
[1:10:16] front windows that face the glass well
[1:10:19] the idea the street six foot high so
[1:10:21] that kids walking by won't see it mhm
[1:10:24] and they people still get their First
[1:10:25] Amendment they can put whatever kind of
[1:10:27] trash they want up that high or four
[1:10:29] foot back four foot back from the front window yeah what happens when they
[1:10:35] walk in the store then they walk in the
[1:10:37] store but it keep we're just talking
[1:10:40] about the from the street the
[1:10:42] familyfriendly atmosphere on the street
[1:10:44] yes on the street okay yeah from the
[1:10:47] sidewalk CU we we we already have some
[1:10:49] of that now in one or two
[1:10:53] areas MH yeah yeah um for Lent um or other
[1:11:00] painted um signage on the window itself
[1:11:03] must be limited to 20% of the total
[1:11:05] surface of any particular window owners
[1:11:08] of stores facing Main Street or North
[1:11:10] Atlantic Avenue within the CRA that have
[1:11:13] no active BTR license or stores that are
[1:11:17] going to be closed for a period of more
[1:11:19] than 30 days must apply a perforated
[1:11:22] window graphic with a decorated design
[1:11:25] to the inside of their storefront
[1:11:27] windows to block The View into the
[1:11:29] vacant store I I that tickles me because
[1:11:32] we have so many meetings about you know
[1:11:35] uh businesses that don't have a
[1:11:37] BTR um that are in the in the community
[1:11:40] yes sir you know they were talking about
[1:11:42] it's mostly the uh the stores down on uh
[1:11:45] Main Street where they block off the
[1:11:47] windows during the during the the year
[1:11:52] and then the three weeks right they they
[1:11:55] have them open and so they you know I
[1:11:57] think that it should be a a fast
[1:12:00] ordinance to make sure that none of the
[1:12:02] windows are blocked off
[1:12:05] anyway unless it's going to be
[1:12:07] merchandise yeah you mean blocked off
[1:12:11] what do you mean blocked I'm I was
[1:12:12] suggesting like a wallpapered up is what
[1:12:15] he oh yeah not wallpaper you have to
[1:12:17] well you know what I mean papered up no
[1:12:19] listen so you want them completely clear
[1:12:22] to where people the police have a policy
[1:12:25] oh yeah that you can't block off the
[1:12:28] window without them being able to see it
[1:12:32] visualize inside the city even if it's
[1:12:35] an unoccupied doesn't make any no if
[1:12:38] it's unoccupied or whatever it has to be
[1:12:41] viewed in right correct okay well in the
[1:12:44] LDC I think it says the view inside has
[1:12:46] to be broom swept
[1:12:48] uncluttered uh clean looking we don't
[1:12:50] have that so you know cross that off and
[1:12:53] put you know and I think just about
[1:12:56] almost two years ago we did a sweep on
[1:12:58] Main Street um we got a lot of
[1:13:01] complaints you know but because they
[1:13:03] were the the storefront windows were
[1:13:06] cluttered M um but they were not meeting
[1:13:08] the
[1:13:09] code um and so we we got some
[1:13:12] cooperation to as well just over on seab
[1:13:15] breze I just had a store 305 seab breze
[1:13:17] that was blacked out
[1:13:19] totally I just took all of the paint off
[1:13:22] of it and cleaned the store inside and
[1:13:25] they are totally vacant nothing in it so
[1:13:27] like for example Mr guest's building the
[1:13:30] guest it had three big windows up front
[1:13:32] that were all white can't have it it
[1:13:35] can't have it we do so not to have that
[1:13:37] not supposed to yeah absolutely and app
[1:13:40] plywood to as well we just passed the
[1:13:42] ordinance on no ply yeah it would be
[1:13:45] easier for them to have the perforated
[1:13:47] Graphics if they're going to keep
[1:13:49] whatever they're going to keep inside
[1:13:50] correct as long as they can see inside
[1:13:53] yeah yeah
[1:13:56] and the next column is on
[1:13:58] Transportation um a free trolley to
[1:14:00] transport visitors and locals Between
[1:14:03] the Ocean Center Main Street Ocean
[1:14:05] Avenue A1A over to B Street and back
[1:14:08] across the Main Street Bridge um enforce
[1:14:11] illegal parking on the beach side and
[1:14:14] beautification of Main Street and make
[1:14:16] them active businesses all year
[1:14:19] round so those
[1:14:21] are the
[1:14:23] issues um that was given to us prior to
[1:14:26] the meeting but I do Mr chairman want to
[1:14:29] take a few minutes and just ask everyone
[1:14:32] are there other items that we should
[1:14:34] list before you um do your your dot
[1:14:38] system we can add more now if you would
[1:14:40] like too if you if there is a a uh
[1:14:44] request by anyone that something we you
[1:14:46] didn't see that you think is a priority
[1:14:49] uh we can list it now you can write it
[1:14:51] down and um put it on your sheet
[1:14:53] everyone will put it on your sheet and
[1:14:56] um you can use one of your your dots to
[1:14:59] um as a priority issue for you what
[1:15:01] about the um native plants is that
[1:15:04] something that should be on there the
[1:15:06] use of native plants it doesn't have to
[1:15:08] be on there unless you want to make it a
[1:15:09] priority so no no okay it's a different
[1:15:13] I think that the Redevelopment grants
[1:15:14] that we're doing are great but I do
[1:15:16] think it needs to be a priority to make
[1:15:17] them more accessible to everyone in town
[1:15:20] because I have had people come to me
[1:15:22] having trouble finding how to access it
[1:15:23] people that don't know about it for
[1:15:26] instance in here we also have under
[1:15:27] parking working with the county to open
[1:15:29] the Main Street and Harvey beach access
[1:15:31] which I think is a great idea because
[1:15:32] right now we have people at the end of
[1:15:34] ISB no one can get to their business at
[1:15:36] the end of ISB okay and I know they're
[1:15:39] some of them are closing until they're
[1:15:40] done with all the road work I don't know
[1:15:42] that they know about the grants that we
[1:15:44] have or if there's a way that our grants
[1:15:45] could help them with their rent because
[1:15:47] right now I know we have one that's
[1:15:49] going to be closed until January
[1:15:51] February until construction is done and
[1:15:53] we're just going to lose all the
[1:15:54] business over there same thing that
[1:15:56] happened on Orange Avenue I mean what's
[1:15:58] the good in redoing our road and our
[1:15:59] ramp when it reopens there's nothing
[1:16:02] there yeah yeah yeah there there there
[1:16:06] have been some communities in the past
[1:16:08] where you had that that cor correlation
[1:16:12] between the county and the city and the
[1:16:14] CRA working together when they know they
[1:16:16] got a project working like this or if we
[1:16:18] can have something to offer them you
[1:16:21] create a a fund so that you can help
[1:16:23] some of these small businesses through
[1:16:25] that process right I know we have it's
[1:16:28] been done before yeah you know I think
[1:16:31] everything on this list is is
[1:16:33] significant it it I mean I don't think
[1:16:35] there's there are any stinkeroo on here
[1:16:38] the question is are you interested in
[1:16:41] doing a priority list and the priority
[1:16:43] list isn't just the most important ones
[1:16:46] it's that but it's the ones that are
[1:16:48] doable because many of these deal with C
[1:16:51] the county and coordination with the
[1:16:54] property owner and you know some of them
[1:16:57] are pure City ones it could be done
[1:16:59] could start tomorrow because it's all
[1:17:02] under your umbrella of authority right
[1:17:05] so maybe maybe the staff could look at
[1:17:09] um based on the dots uh the priorities
[1:17:13] and if there's a top priority for a
[1:17:15] majority of us that doesn't make it
[1:17:17] because of the dots then I think we
[1:17:19] might want to amend well well well well
[1:17:24] Garett that's why you have the dots
[1:17:26] because it's we we want this to be the Advisory board's priorities and not
[1:17:32] staff
[1:17:33] priorities yeah yeah put a priority on
[1:17:36] your dot yeah you you you you need to utilize your dots we gonna
[1:17:41] go to Garrett then we're gonna go over
[1:17:43] here gar gar was go
[1:17:45] ahead just out of curiosity the funding
[1:17:48] for the program comes from the CRA yes
[1:17:51] sir right how much money is in there
[1:17:55] right now we got a quarter of a million
[1:17:57] or is it half a million a half a million and once that's used up what
[1:18:03] happens after that yeah we we
[1:18:05] appropriate more
[1:18:08] next the c c yes sunshines soon is no no
[1:18:13] we sunshin in 36 3 yeah but we we had to start somewhere no no and we
[1:18:20] started at a half a million we hope we
[1:18:23] get to a million in in the year yeah but
[1:18:25] let me also say this if we spend a half
[1:18:28] a million before December we'll go back
[1:18:31] to commission yeah and ask for more and
[1:18:34] you'll get it and we'll get it the
[1:18:36] reason because we do have more to make
[1:18:37] sure that this is ongoing because yeah
[1:18:39] but we didn't want to stick a yeah yeah
[1:18:41] arbitrary number out there I think
[1:18:44] before you came on board the beach R
[1:18:46] development they did a study 10 12 years
[1:18:50] ago yes we did about the exact same
[1:18:52] thing and then they looked at you know
[1:18:55] sometimes I think we get a
[1:18:57] little too com too confused and too
[1:19:01] overworked up on stuff and we try to
[1:19:02] reinvent stuff okay you know um but all
[1:19:06] we have to do is really look at what
[1:19:07] other more successful cities are doing
[1:19:09] right in Hollywood Hollywood I think
[1:19:12] Hollywood was one of the more successful
[1:19:13] ones and they've got an ongoing program
[1:19:15] like this that has been going on for a
[1:19:17] very long time and they contribute quite
[1:19:19] a bit to businesses that are I better
[1:19:22] use of Redevelopment dollars than
[1:19:25] business yeah you guys are doing a great
[1:19:27] job well Helen and Veron okay I was at
[1:19:29] the city commission the other night when
[1:19:31] uh this was brought up by the the mayor
[1:19:33] and the the Commissioners you have to
[1:19:36] understand one thing with the CRA they
[1:19:38] have
[1:19:39] obligations that are ongoing all the
[1:19:42] time yeah uh we are a city with five
[1:19:47] C which is unheard of for a city of this
[1:19:50] size but that's neither here to there
[1:19:53] and some of them are getting ready
[1:19:56] to be out and once they're out you can't
[1:19:59] reestablish them very difficult so I
[1:20:03] think it uh what you've presented
[1:20:07] tonight are the main things that the
[1:20:09] commission asked you
[1:20:12] to to put in I think you've done an
[1:20:16] excellent excellent job myself I
[1:20:19] prioritize my dots okay and when I run
[1:20:23] out of dots I put double stars on them
[1:20:26] okay good good good but I I think it uh this is
[1:20:32] help think this would be something that
[1:20:34] you could put together and prevent you
[1:20:36] know and bring it before the commission
[1:20:39] and maybe get some attention to some of
[1:20:41] these items absolutely that's that's the
[1:20:44] intent although some of these items may
[1:20:46] be like I say redundant someone else may
[1:20:49] have have listed them um but we're going
[1:20:52] to show you where they
[1:20:55] correlate but I also want this to be an
[1:20:58] exercise where you can see where like
[1:21:00] Minds may have some of the same
[1:21:03] priorities um but there will be cases
[1:21:06] where your priorities may not be a goal
[1:21:10] of the CRA but it doesn't mean correct
[1:21:13] that somewhere in the city it should be
[1:21:16] taken care of correct so somewhere in
[1:21:19] the city everything that you basically
[1:21:21] listed some Department in the city is
[1:21:23] responsible yeah I can tell you that
[1:21:26] work somebody is going to take care of
[1:21:28] it yes thank you yeah so miss Helen and
[1:21:31] Amy well he said what I felt and I just
[1:21:34] want to say this is tremendously helpful
[1:21:40] and I'm I'm just very happy good thank
[1:21:44] you um I'd like to go back to what uh
[1:21:47] chairman Ellis was talking about um the businesses on ISB slight diversion
[1:21:55] but it it could it really this is this
[1:21:57] is tying in how many businesses are
[1:22:00] there that I'm aware of right now that
[1:22:03] are affected I think it's around five businesses if we had
[1:22:09] $50,000 to as you
[1:22:12] know $25,000 you know as a a grant to
[1:22:18] the businesses on ISB to help with rent
[1:22:21] or difficulty during this time is that
[1:22:24] something something that we can do right
[1:22:26] here like make a well you can you can
[1:22:28] recommend to recommend to the city to
[1:22:31] the cities that for those you know
[1:22:33] businesses that are affected by the ramp
[1:22:37] closures that can't get customers there
[1:22:40] anymore can apply for something or or
[1:22:43] any in the future too anything in theut
[1:22:46] we're talking about right
[1:22:49] now the businesses on ISB that are
[1:22:52] affected they are mster CRA yes and we
[1:22:56] already have a grant that is called
[1:22:58] lease subsidy that we pay up to
[1:23:01] 1,500,000 I mean
[1:23:03] $1,500 a month up to three months00 a
[1:23:06] month yeah okay so they can apply and
[1:23:08] one of the business owner there has
[1:23:11] already applied for our grant so they
[1:23:13] are aware that we have those programs
[1:23:16] already done okay all right well that's
[1:23:19] great that one of them already has maybe
[1:23:21] we just need to get the information to
[1:23:22] the other ones too right
[1:23:25] any other way they can get in on the
[1:23:27] other Grant I don't know how many are
[1:23:29] the responsibility of somebody else like
[1:23:31] fpnl I mean the polls are certainly not
[1:23:34] up to the city any Department of the
[1:23:36] city they have to be done by FP and
[1:23:38] other other you know I think those need
[1:23:41] to be identified because that's a little
[1:23:43] pressure in the telephone that that
[1:23:45] would be a uh that would be Public Works
[1:23:48] we would lean on Public Works to make
[1:23:50] that connection yeah just to yes put
[1:23:52] comments in go ahead G that's kind of a
[1:23:55] big issue right now that I was kind of
[1:23:57] dealing with on A1A because spoke to
[1:23:59] Dave in public works and he said well
[1:24:03] FPL has 12 months to actually Remedy
[1:24:06] some of these situations I said 12
[1:24:07] months if I call up as a a resident or a
[1:24:10] business owner which I do all the time
[1:24:12] even when it's not in my neighborhood
[1:24:14] and I'm like hey can you guys fix this
[1:24:15] light it's been out for six months right
[1:24:18] and they have to fix it I think within
[1:24:19] 45 days why is it a year when the city
[1:24:22] has to go to the FBI
[1:24:25] to have them remedy situations like that
[1:24:27] I counted 30 lights between seab breze
[1:24:31] and and the ored line that are out that
[1:24:33] have been out wow for over a year yeah
[1:24:36] and when you get toward Bell Plaza it's
[1:24:39] like really dark down that way it's
[1:24:41] almost someone from FPL actually told me
[1:24:43] he's like if you want to get the ball
[1:24:44] rolling there's a particular safety
[1:24:47] standard that they have to abide corre
[1:24:48] and they have to speed it up you know
[1:24:51] when it becomes a safety issue I'm like
[1:24:53] it's very dark I mean it's kind of a
[1:24:54] little inundating for a tourist to
[1:24:56] actually try to walk on the other side
[1:24:58] of the street there so that's definitely
[1:25:00] but that's how you get it done I mean we
[1:25:02] tell people take pictures of the pole
[1:25:05] that has the number on it oh okay you
[1:25:07] know that's that's how you do take a
[1:25:09] picture of that pole that has the number
[1:25:11] on it I I I have one thing on South
[1:25:14] Peninsula as you turn to go on the
[1:25:17] Orange Avenue Bridge M there is a pole
[1:25:21] in the middle of the sidewalk and there
[1:25:23] is no way there there's a man that walks
[1:25:25] with his seeing eye dog he has to step
[1:25:28] into South Peninsula to go across the
[1:25:32] street because he cannot walk in the
[1:25:35] sidewalk the pole is right in the middle
[1:25:38] there's no way is that the intersection
[1:25:39] so he has to walk yeah it's at it's at
[1:25:41] the intersection I believe yeah well I
[1:25:44] will take a picture of that I had I had
[1:25:46] a I was walking my dog under a pole that
[1:25:49] I've been watch you know it's already a
[1:25:50] poll I've complained about but a cable
[1:25:52] box literally fell
[1:25:54] off the pole and came down I thought it
[1:25:57] was a Transformer coming down I'm look
[1:25:59] up and this huge thing's coming down and
[1:26:01] it stopped about 5T above head because
[1:26:04] the cable kept the cable was still on
[1:26:06] there and it swinging away I got a video
[1:26:08] of it swinging and it like scared the
[1:26:11] hell out of me right so I called on
[1:26:12] emergency somebody came and tucked it up
[1:26:15] back in there but it's still there yeah so this is yeah okay we're like
[1:26:21] entering third world situation here yeah
[1:26:27] oh and then there was one other thing
[1:26:28] one of you asked for other things this
[1:26:30] was an idea some of us were were talking
[1:26:32] about the other day what would how would
[1:26:34] it be if people wanted to paint a house
[1:26:37] or a building M even if they wanted to
[1:26:39] do it themselves with a you know without
[1:26:41] a contractor because painting is not
[1:26:43] something that necessarily requires
[1:26:45] skilled labor and they had they apply
[1:26:47] for a uh paint
[1:26:51] reimbursement and they paint their house
[1:26:53] and then they say say okay here come out
[1:26:55] code whoever look at the house how do
[1:26:57] you like it looks good I spent $500 on
[1:27:01] two giant five gallon buckets of paint
[1:27:04] and we can reimburse them is there
[1:27:05] something simple we can do like that we
[1:27:08] don't have a paint reimbursement program
[1:27:10] but we have a paint program where you
[1:27:11] have to get if you're in a Redevelopment
[1:27:13] area you have to get approval from us to
[1:27:16] paint the the paint colors color right
[1:27:19] um that's a little different and the the
[1:27:22] only gr requires the only thing is um
[1:27:25] about that you you have to create some
[1:27:27] criteria right um for you know a paint
[1:27:31] program code
[1:27:33] enforcement um one of the things that
[1:27:35] they want to do is if they found someone
[1:27:38] who you know has some code violations
[1:27:41] such as chip paint or something that's
[1:27:43] happened to the exterior of the building
[1:27:45] as opposed to taking them to code
[1:27:46] enforcement they want to have the
[1:27:48] ability where they can utilize some of
[1:27:50] our CRA funds to do something similar to
[1:27:52] what you're talking about Home Dep yeah
[1:27:54] but it's not for it's not for everybody
[1:27:57] it is if you have a violation a
[1:28:00] potential violation that has been
[1:28:02] identified by your code officer you will
[1:28:05] have some type of voucher that you can
[1:28:07] go to one of the hardware stores and buy
[1:28:10] paint but then it has to the painting
[1:28:12] has to get done the painting has to get
[1:28:15] done IDE I mean you know these are these
[1:28:18] are ideas that you know if if if there's
[1:28:21] a priority it could be implemented but
[1:28:24] of course you got to create the program
[1:28:26] right you know with code enforcement
[1:28:29] they have a it's a code if you have
[1:28:32] peeling paint your sad or the faes
[1:28:36] coming off that they will help you get
[1:28:40] that oh that's yeah that's what he's
[1:28:42] talking about but not repainting your
[1:28:44] house just because you want to change
[1:28:45] color yeah yeah it has to be a violation
[1:28:49] a potential a potential
[1:28:52] violation uh the next thing on the
[1:28:55] stores that are I've had somewhat
[1:28:58] experience uh I redid Orange Avenue
[1:29:02] through
[1:29:03] Orlando did the rest streets and
[1:29:06] everything you can require do to have a
[1:29:09] minimum of at least one entrance to any
[1:29:14] store you can require that you don't
[1:29:17] have to ask
[1:29:19] them are they because they can't shut
[1:29:21] down a business I notic the one business
[1:29:23] that's fired up yeah but I think that
[1:29:26] how do we do that well you just go to
[1:29:29] the city goes to do and says that that
[1:29:33] you have to no that wait a minute
[1:29:35] there's just not any other way and you
[1:29:38] can require them to do it regardless of
[1:29:42] what they
[1:29:43] say is that something we can look into
[1:29:46] entrance like a driving into the
[1:29:47] driveway they have the whole store wired
[1:29:50] off yes they have everything closed off
[1:29:52] but anyways regardless they can they can
[1:29:54] stop you from going in in the the
[1:29:57] parking I see you know because that you
[1:29:59] know you're repouring concrete and
[1:30:01] everything and you're you can do that
[1:30:03] but uh that's up to the city now now
[1:30:06] help me was that for access to the bu
[1:30:09] business doing roadway construction or
[1:30:12] absolutely is that what we're saying MH
[1:30:15] okay so one of those businesses I think
[1:30:18] there was in the newspaper you still
[1:30:20] have access customers still have access
[1:30:22] to the business mhm just that no parking right no parking and access
[1:30:29] one way is see the parking is a
[1:30:30] different issue they just have to have
[1:30:32] access to it yeah so it's not the access
[1:30:34] is been cut off it's just no parking
[1:30:37] park down there
[1:30:39] anyways we've had we've had constant
[1:30:43] problems dealing with code people in the
[1:30:46] historic districts who have design
[1:30:48] standards and colors that the houses can
[1:30:51] be painted to the point where the city
[1:30:54] told um our neighborhood watch Group
[1:30:57] which is seab breze University that they
[1:30:59] were just going to let people paint
[1:31:01] their houses any color they want because
[1:31:03] they didn't feel that the city should be
[1:31:06] asking them to repaint the house
[1:31:09] according to the standards standards as
[1:31:11] a matter of fact Miss hansy was at the
[1:31:13] historic preservation Advisory board
[1:31:16] meeting when they didn't even know they
[1:31:17] were standards the board was making
[1:31:20] decisions on items in the in this Z Zone
[1:31:24] without realizing the city had a a book
[1:31:28] a guide book to do it so I think maybe
[1:31:30] City coordination would be good too one
[1:31:33] of the things I said in here was that
[1:31:36] are that being proactive but also with
[1:31:38] other departments in the city to really
[1:31:41] make it work for everybody yeah yeah
[1:31:45] okay all right anyone else yeah mine's
[1:31:49] just really simple I'm very pleased with
[1:31:51] this it's well presented by the staff I
[1:31:53] greatly appreciate mhm the STA a lot of
[1:31:55] work and the the most important thing
[1:31:58] that I'm on there I'm on here now uh the
[1:32:02] most important thing that I really think
[1:32:05] on this thing is the staff playing a
[1:32:07] productive role proactive role right uh
[1:32:11] with divisions within the city to remedy
[1:32:14] obvious problems the thing is is that
[1:32:17] not because you all are in front of me
[1:32:18] right now I've lived here for a long
[1:32:21] time and and and you the staff deserves
[1:32:25] the credit I believe probably in the
[1:32:27] past 20 plus years this the best staff
[1:32:30] we've had in the city yeah so you know
[1:32:33] Kudos great job great job Angela great
[1:32:36] job Ken it's just all of you um to me
[1:32:40] that's the most important uh the illegal
[1:32:42] parking on Grand View I think
[1:32:45] immediately when I had said something um
[1:32:48] started giving tickets so at least
[1:32:50] people could get out of I could get out
[1:32:51] of my driveway um
[1:32:54] so I I I really feel happy I think this
[1:32:58] is the best of the city's been since
[1:32:59] I've lived here over over 25 years now
[1:33:03] uh that's about it I'm just happy okay
[1:33:06] thank
[1:33:08] you no good I'm happy with this okay so
[1:33:13] we we're going to come back as staff and
[1:33:16] um at our next meeting and we're going
[1:33:18] to uh articulate to you the uh results
[1:33:22] of the prioritized list
[1:33:24] um but we what we also will do um for
[1:33:28] those items that are not
[1:33:30] directly um involved in the
[1:33:34] Redevelopment plan itself because
[1:33:36] everything that we do has to be part of
[1:33:39] the Redevelopment plan and really
[1:33:41] there's like five goals um that you have
[1:33:44] to take all this information and and and
[1:33:49] um correlated to what the Redevelopment
[1:33:51] plan says now
[1:33:54] but what we're going to do is the ones
[1:33:56] that don't correlate to the goals of the
[1:33:59] Redevelopment plan we're going to create
[1:34:01] a strategy where we're going to connect
[1:34:04] them to a particular department or
[1:34:06] entity correct so that what you've given
[1:34:09] us is not just in vain corre it will go
[1:34:13] somewhere it will be attached to some
[1:34:16] entity some department and and
[1:34:19] throughout our course of um activities
[1:34:23] um
[1:34:24] we'll we'll have updates from from those
[1:34:26] particular departments because there's a
[1:34:28] priority of um the Beachside
[1:34:31] Redevelopment board maybe it's not in
[1:34:34] the Redevelopment plan maybe it's not a
[1:34:35] goal of the Redevelopment plan but it's
[1:34:37] a goal of the Redevelopment advisor
[1:34:39] board so that we have a better quality
[1:34:41] of life and so that's what we understand
[1:34:43] with this list the list is really about
[1:34:45] quality of life and it may not be in the
[1:34:48] Redevelopment plan but it may be
[1:34:50] somewhere that departments in the city
[1:34:52] need to be respons
[1:34:54] most of them are in actually in in one
[1:34:56] of the plans we've done yeah yeah they
[1:34:59] are okay all right well thank you thank
[1:35:02] you Ken thank you
[1:35:07] Angela
[1:35:10] right okay again please remember to put
[1:35:14] your names on the the
[1:35:18] sheets are we to turn them in tonight I believe that's what staff would like
[1:35:24] oh I wanted to study it oh gosh yeah why
[1:35:29] not it's it's Mr chair I mean if for the
[1:35:32] ones who ones who did it tonight we'll
[1:35:35] take them but if you want to hand them
[1:35:39] in maybe the next couple days that's
[1:35:41] fine too I I want to talk with the other
[1:35:44] people at in my store my son and his
[1:35:47] wife I like okay that that' be fine yeah
[1:35:49] good and I and the staff has I think at
[1:35:52] least for me and I'm sure my colleagues
[1:35:55] full authority to batch them the ones
[1:35:57] that look very similar you know that
[1:36:00] except for a word or two I think they can go together because um they're
[1:36:06] probably I was trying to follow you Ken
[1:36:08] there're probably five areas you know
[1:36:11] five areas that just about everything
[1:36:13] could five hats that you could toss
[1:36:16] things in and out of the five
[1:36:18] two are currently achievable by the city
[1:36:23] one by fpnl you know so three out the
[1:36:27] five yeah are not that hard to do if we
[1:36:31] all if it's a full City effort everybody
[1:36:34] pushes works together I think you could
[1:36:37] have some real serious
[1:36:41] progress all right
[1:36:55] [Applause]
[1:37:06] what else do we have yeah that's what
[1:37:08] I'm looking at what else do we have here
[1:37:09] do we have a PDF the last item is the um
[1:37:12] the recommendations from the Beachside
[1:37:15] Redevelopment committee that met back in
[1:37:18] whatever year that was that's it's the pamphlet that's at the end of the
[1:37:23] agenda
[1:37:24] yeah um that was produced by I think it
[1:37:27] was a meetings that went on for about a
[1:37:29] year wasn't it um
[1:37:33] and this is the one we you know we've
[1:37:35] talked about kind of it you know it's
[1:37:37] got a lot of information and it's not
[1:37:39] something we're going to go through line
[1:37:40] by line tonight I hope but um is this a
[1:37:43] private group different neighborhood no
[1:37:45] the Beachside Redevelopment committee
[1:37:47] does it show in here who was on it it
[1:37:49] does it does it was um Tony grippa RNE
[1:37:53] Cruz Derrik Henry Dave Lamont Kent
[1:37:55] Sharpes Paul Zimmerman Charles
[1:37:59] liman um Harry Jennings Aaron Delgado
[1:38:02] John Albright Chris bowler Miriam guabi
[1:38:05] Troy Kent and Frank
[1:38:07] molar and they met over at the uh I
[1:38:10] think it was at the Ocean Center in a
[1:38:12] meeting room um once a month for I feel
[1:38:16] like it was like a year year who
[1:38:18] authorized this committee the county the
[1:38:20] city and the county it was a county
[1:38:22] thing look at it
[1:38:24] it's in your agenda there on the agenda
[1:38:27] and they produced you know they had
[1:38:28] meetings they talked they had speakers
[1:38:30] they had you know it was very I went to
[1:38:33] almost every one of these meetings and
[1:38:35] then they produced this document and
[1:38:39] where is it it's in your it's in your
[1:38:41] packet Mr um on last meeting while we
[1:38:45] were talking about the priority list it
[1:38:47] was brought to our attention that this
[1:38:50] document was produced and that it was a
[1:38:53] very good idea that you all take a look
[1:38:56] at this document so we can know what the
[1:39:00] recommendation were um um that this
[1:39:03] committee was tasked to develop ideas
[1:39:08] for improv the beach side Redevelopment
[1:39:11] areas so that's why I includeed in your
[1:39:14] packet so we don't have to discuss it
[1:39:17] now it's just for your information in
[1:39:20] case you think that it's a good idea
[1:39:23] that we can Implement now in our
[1:39:25] priority list we can do so right A lot
[1:39:28] of them are similar exact a lot of it is
[1:39:30] very similar that's what there yes you
[1:39:33] know the is landscape crosswalk um Road
[1:39:38] improve
[1:39:39] Improvement how we look it's basically
[1:39:42] the same I just wanted to include it
[1:39:44] because you you said you know you show
[1:39:47] interest the meeting yeah thank you
[1:39:49] Angela okay
[1:39:53] have any comments on this or does
[1:39:55] everybody want to yeah I mean it's
[1:39:56] pretty much the same thing we've been
[1:39:57] discussing we'll move well but it's it's
[1:40:00] very important because this group is the um followup group for the board
[1:40:06] that was taken over by the county that
[1:40:09] ran the Redevelopment area for a number
[1:40:11] of years I don't know if any any of you
[1:40:13] were here Helen was no I um the county
[1:40:17] just you know decided we we in the city
[1:40:21] couldn't handle Redevelopment and had a
[1:40:23] board an independent board I'm trying to
[1:40:25] think of who was on it uh and they met
[1:40:28] for I believe two years and then um the
[1:40:32] city uh met with them and discussed
[1:40:36] having a city advisory move the city
[1:40:38] Advisory Board back but this is a very
[1:40:41] serious I think document they did um for
[1:40:44] the County Council and of course they
[1:40:46] authorize Redevelopment areas they they
[1:40:49] have a they have a big stake in our in
[1:40:52] our success our failure and so I I'm
[1:40:55] going to look at it very carefully I I
[1:40:57] didn't not realize why it was in there I
[1:41:00] apologize all right ready for public
[1:41:03] comments on that we have a few uh John
[1:41:05] Nicholson come on
[1:41:11] up most
[1:41:16] stuff joh Nicholson 413 North Grand
[1:41:19] Avenue yeah City commission meeting U
[1:41:21] Derek the kind of gave me a
[1:41:23] going over for jesting this because you
[1:41:26] know how to get this yeah I do but the
[1:41:28] public doesn't public doesn't know this
[1:41:31] how many of you have seen this list
[1:41:32] before today what list you're talking
[1:41:36] about the one that you just that list
[1:41:39] and discussed it all right I don't think
[1:41:41] you guys ever discussed it all right we we just know we just why no no no but
[1:41:46] he's had it he said oh you all knew it
[1:41:49] and I'm like no they don't and the
[1:41:52] public doesn't know it this was all wait wait wait stop from last stop stop
[1:41:57] this is what I spoke to Derek fer about
[1:42:00] yeah all right I'm not going to get my
[1:42:01] time you know so um there are other
[1:42:04] things here the Florida Power and Light
[1:42:06] poles cannot be taken down the problem
[1:42:08] with that is Flor power light owns the
[1:42:11] poles but they don't own the wires and
[1:42:14] unless AT&T moves their wires that pole
[1:42:17] will stay up there indefinitely
[1:42:19] Tallahassee ruled several years ago that
[1:42:22] we now know longer have control over the
[1:42:24] poles on our property although we give
[1:42:26] them permission to use our property we
[1:42:28] have no more control over it so we
[1:42:31] really Essence unless we gripe and
[1:42:33] complain nothing's going to be done so
[1:42:35] you have to gripe and complain it's
[1:42:37] nothing the city can do uh secondly you
[1:42:40] only have like less than 13 years left
[1:42:43] on the C for beat side all right so the
[1:42:47] last time we discussed using the funding
[1:42:50] which is called tip funding the screwed
[1:42:53] it up we were supposed to have two brand
[1:42:56] new hotels actually Four
[1:43:00] hotels on the vacant property on uh
[1:43:04] South Avenue all right George there was
[1:43:07] a uh two hotels came
[1:43:09] in they didn't want tip funds they were
[1:43:11] going to do it on their own well you saw
[1:43:14] the price of everything go up and then
[1:43:17] the city wanted 40t of their property
[1:43:19] for free and then they wanted the city
[1:43:22] wanted them to m match the boardwalk at
[1:43:25] their
[1:43:26] expense so this was too much for them so
[1:43:28] they wanted tip funds 3 million bucks
[1:43:31] the city said okay after a haggling then
[1:43:35] they said the price of everything went
[1:43:37] through the roof if you remember several
[1:43:38] years ago you just couldn't keep up with
[1:43:40] everything was going through the roof
[1:43:43] they went up to 8 million the city said
[1:43:45] yes they went to sign the documents and
[1:43:48] the city said
[1:43:49] no we said yes to the 8 million but
[1:43:51] we're taking it back we're only give you
[1:43:53] 3 million so the two hotels by the
[1:43:56] boardwalk were cancelled which then the
[1:43:59] guy at the end from uguay canceled his
[1:44:01] building so we are shooting ourselves in
[1:44:04] the foot all the time we've stopped nine
[1:44:08] buildings in RC we almost stopped the
[1:44:12] 10th one on Silver Beach it barely got
[1:44:15] passed but we are shooting ourselves in
[1:44:17] the foot um with regard to uh city
[1:44:21] property and County property we have
[1:44:23] control over it and almost all of our
[1:44:26] city and county property is not in the
[1:44:29] best standard it really isn't all right
[1:44:32] you go to um sebr Park SNB you go to the
[1:44:36] boardwalk you go to Breakers Park you go
[1:44:38] to or Street Park no matter where you go
[1:44:40] our properties are the pits Peabody is
[1:44:43] not well taken care of I just went to
[1:44:45] the property that the city owns in the
[1:44:47] middle of the marina they staffed all
[1:44:49] their garbage chairs tables broken down
[1:44:53] equipment on the backside where
[1:44:56] everybody walks to get to the boat it's
[1:44:58] all sitting there visible so we are not
[1:45:01] containing or own so I'm asking you to
[1:45:03] put in this as a high priority all city
[1:45:06] and county property in the CRA because
[1:45:09] we have control over it we have the
[1:45:10] money for it fix it up to the maximum if
[1:45:14] you want to see something really bad
[1:45:16] we're getting a new marit Renaissance
[1:45:18] you're doing the Landscaping now walk to
[1:45:20] the county bathroom next to it I know is
[1:45:23] the pits it's a mess and we're talking
[1:45:25] this is going to be a fourstar which is
[1:45:27] right next to another fourstar which is
[1:45:29] down the street from another fourstar
[1:45:31] and that bathroom it looks like
[1:45:34] 1950s it really is bad so I'm asking you
[1:45:38] to not just us but all of our property
[1:45:41] and all of the County Properties because
[1:45:43] they're renovating the properties on the
[1:45:45] beach as we speak they're tearing down
[1:45:47] three or four of the bathrooms to
[1:45:50] replace them I don't ask them to tear it
[1:45:52] down just gut it and make it modern it
[1:45:55] is really the pits and lastly um you
[1:45:59] have hidden money I know they don't call
[1:46:01] it that way and Paulo Reed Goes Bananas
[1:46:05] whatever I say it but there's been money
[1:46:07] in your facility for years that we don't
[1:46:10] know about M uh was it Midtown CRA when
[1:46:14] they wanted to redo Orange Avenue Chism
[1:46:17] says oh yeah we're going to take that
[1:46:18] million dollars that you have in your
[1:46:20] CRA towards redoing Orange Avenue and
[1:46:23] they go what million they had no idea
[1:46:27] for years you've had money that the
[1:46:29] city's put aside for future development
[1:46:31] but they never told you what it is so
[1:46:33] it's hard for you to balance things if
[1:46:35] you don't know what it is now from what
[1:46:37] I understand you got $6
[1:46:40] million in funding from TI uh from
[1:46:45] um the SI you owe 2.4 million if I
[1:46:51] understand it correctly with the loan
[1:46:53] that you took out for the buildings that
[1:46:54] we backed which gives you approximately
[1:46:57] $4
[1:46:58] million that's not Chum change you owe
[1:47:01] probably about a million
[1:47:04] dollars it's kind of a dishonest way to
[1:47:06] jib Chism change things around so that
[1:47:09] you paid for things you shouldn't have
[1:47:11] so you have $3
[1:47:13] million that you can encourage can't
[1:47:16] tell them you can encourage the city
[1:47:19] Commission because at a meeting two
[1:47:21] months ago they decided to put interest
[1:47:24] on beide finally after 20 years so if
[1:47:27] they're going to think about beide put
[1:47:30] your two cents worth in when you can
[1:47:33] thank you thank you
[1:47:37] John all right moving
[1:47:40] on Jenny did you want to speak on that
[1:47:42] or public comment Public public comment well we're moving on the
[1:47:47] public comment anyway because that's
[1:47:48] where we are okay that's
[1:47:50] um come on up Jenny s
[1:47:53] [Laughter]
[1:47:56] Denny naak 501 Harvey thank you for the list of the various uh priorities
[1:48:01] and things that's excellent I would like
[1:48:03] to add to the thing about lighting I
[1:48:06] want us to add in environmentally
[1:48:08] responsible lighting which helps direct
[1:48:12] the light downward so it does a better
[1:48:14] job of of what its job is of safety and
[1:48:17] Illuminating the road but then it also
[1:48:20] guards against light pollution and I
[1:48:22] have some sent these little short videos
[1:48:25] from the international Dark Skies
[1:48:27] Association about places cities that
[1:48:30] have really good lighting but it's
[1:48:32] directed in such a manner that um at
[1:48:36] like Star tourism is possible astronomy
[1:48:39] tourism like there's places there's HOAs
[1:48:41] where you could see the Milky Way and so
[1:48:44] I'll I'll send you I probably haven't
[1:48:45] sent you all that those little videos so
[1:48:47] I'll send you all some of those it's
[1:48:48] really interesting having to do with the
[1:48:50] color temperature of the light so like
[1:48:53] Amber going more toward the Amber is is
[1:48:56] better it's more gentle but still
[1:48:58] effective and then things like a cone
[1:49:01] shape that directs it down so that's be
[1:49:04] good for us to ponder wouldn't it be
[1:49:06] cool astronomy tourism maybe we'll see
[1:49:09] the Milky Way they actually changed all
[1:49:11] the lighting in Jackie Robinson Stadium
[1:49:14] recently because I complained not
[1:49:17] because of me but I was one of the
[1:49:19] complaints to the CEO CU I live right
[1:49:21] across the road right yeah and it it's
[1:49:25] if you don't put shades on your window
[1:49:26] it's right there and these new PS have
[1:49:29] wonderful Shades I mean directing right on good that's great we
[1:49:34] have an example right in the city thank
[1:49:38] you thank you Jenny um Randall
[1:49:48] Phillips evening everybody uh Rand
[1:49:51] Phillips 155 Crescent r Road uh I'm also
[1:49:55] the owner of 612 and 614 East
[1:49:57] International Speedway I come to you
[1:49:59] tonight because I was just maybe advised
[1:50:01] to come to you guys I was on this
[1:50:04] board five years ago I think two
[1:50:06] consecutive terms uh I've talked to Miss
[1:50:09] Armstrong before uh I'm one of those
[1:50:12] ignorant business owners that had no
[1:50:13] idea about these Grant programs uh I'm
[1:50:16] also being hurt very badly about the
[1:50:18] construction but what I'm actually
[1:50:19] talking to you about is the fact that
[1:50:21] I'm about to apply for these loans I've
[1:50:23] got a second in uh inspection coming
[1:50:26] through just for to see how much it was
[1:50:28] going to
[1:50:29] be uh I've got code enforcement issues
[1:50:32] that stemm from 2010 uh I've got the EPA
[1:50:35] from Florida from taking out gas tanks
[1:50:37] in my parking lot saying I cannot do
[1:50:38] anything I can't even pull permits on
[1:50:40] that property that's where a lot of the
[1:50:42] code enforcement issues came from so
[1:50:44] Lesly I was I guess found in violation I
[1:50:47] think this is a huge miscommunication
[1:50:49] between me and the uh the code
[1:50:51] enforcement board uh uh I guess
[1:50:53] violations were building up building out
[1:50:55] unbeknownst to me uh just recently they
[1:50:58] have tried to put a lean on the property
[1:50:59] I believe the lean is on both 612 and
[1:51:01] 614 we are currently in a court case
[1:51:04] right now I think March uh was our first
[1:51:07] date we're on back to our second one I
[1:51:09] had an investor that was going to come
[1:51:10] in last year uh we were in the news
[1:51:13] journal I don't know if you guys have
[1:51:14] seen that it was going to be a beautiful
[1:51:16] project my main investor had a heart
[1:51:18] attack in a stroke so so he is uh
[1:51:21] hospitalized and unfortunately had back
[1:51:22] out and on top of that my father has
[1:51:25] also had health issues for almost a year
[1:51:26] now he's finally gotten out of the
[1:51:27] hospital and uh that's been a mainstream
[1:51:29] for me but what I was trying to do is
[1:51:32] just to see uh like I said I've talked
[1:51:34] to Miss Armstrong about it and she also
[1:51:36] said she was going to approach uh the
[1:51:38] city uh Council I didn't know you were
[1:51:40] on board I I feel like I'm shooting
[1:51:43] myself on the foot coming and you were
[1:51:44] on this board uh I was just trying to
[1:51:46] see if maybe you guys can put an ear or
[1:51:48] maybe advise me to see how I can talk to
[1:51:50] the city council maybe seeing if they
[1:51:52] can leave that uh lean on both sides of
[1:51:54] my property which were $20,000 a piece
[1:51:57] uh and so I can go forward and actually
[1:51:59] doing work on my property like I said a
[1:52:02] lifelong Pro uh a lifelong resident here
[1:52:04] I've been here for 48 years of my life
[1:52:06] I've owned that business for 24 years I
[1:52:08] recently purchased the property the main
[1:52:11] property 612 I paid off in about 2010
[1:52:14] and uh during the middle of Co is when I
[1:52:17] uh paid off the property joining next
[1:52:18] door and that was a nightmare all the
[1:52:20] money I had Sav was just taking out the
[1:52:22] gas tanks buyer beware now like I said
[1:52:24] I'm my firsttime business owner and when
[1:52:27] I took over that property I had the the greatest as you know aspirations of
[1:52:31] making it a great community and and and
[1:52:33] a spot it already is right now you drive
[1:52:35] by you don't look it I I beseech
[1:52:37] everybody that's on this board please
[1:52:38] come by and look at my business come
[1:52:39] inside and and and if you can find
[1:52:42] parking uh come in and take a look
[1:52:44] you'll see it it's a very
[1:52:45] community-driven uh Music Arts uh you
[1:52:48] know ultimately I wanted to expand
[1:52:50] towards the east and open up a kitchen
[1:52:51] and have it available for every want to
[1:52:53] come in and actually have a restaurant
[1:52:54] sit down family friendly environment but
[1:52:57] like I said I'm coming up to you guys
[1:52:59] tonight to see if uh what the correct
[1:53:01] steps would be for me to contact city
[1:53:04] council go there myself but like I said
[1:53:06] I was on this board I know coming to you
[1:53:08] guys first would probably be a better
[1:53:09] thing and seeing how we can go forth
[1:53:11] with this okay so thank you yeah go
[1:53:14] ahead Ken ask you and I know um our
[1:53:17] assistant City attorney want to U
[1:53:19] elaborate as well but um it's the Irish
[1:53:22] Pope yes sir next to Subway there yes
[1:53:25] and um so right now um he wouldn't be
[1:53:29] eligible for any of our grants because
[1:53:31] of the code violations because of the
[1:53:32] code violations yeah so those things
[1:53:34] have to be uh remedied before we could
[1:53:37] entertain any application um like I said
[1:53:40] I'm not a I'm not I've been here for 42
[1:53:42] or 48 years and I've owned that property
[1:53:44] and well I haven't owned it I've
[1:53:45] operated it for 22 years and my dad
[1:53:48] owned it from 86 to 92 so we're not
[1:53:51] going anywhere I'm not going to like
[1:53:52] turn around and sell the place and and look you guys make the fool I'm I
[1:53:56] legitimately I'm trying my best you know
[1:53:58] I'm doing it all by myself now that my
[1:54:00] dad's got a lot of health issues but uh
[1:54:04] I I any help uh I could get just so
[1:54:07] pointing in the right direction seeing
[1:54:09] what I can like I said I was on this
[1:54:11] board and we used to have a portal that
[1:54:12] you can go to that was a part of the
[1:54:14] website where you can see the grants and
[1:54:15] loes that are available I had it
[1:54:17] bookmarked I went to it and it is gone
[1:54:19] so like I said the only reason why I
[1:54:21] knew about this is one of another Main
[1:54:23] Street Merchant showed me a pamphlet
[1:54:25] which my picture of my building was on
[1:54:27] out about dilapidated buildings and and applying for these grants and I'm
[1:54:31] like well my building is right there I
[1:54:32] didn't have no clue about it so if it
[1:54:34] wasn't for this other Merchant I would
[1:54:35] have I would have not have known about
[1:54:37] it at all whatsoever right so like I
[1:54:40] said is there any step that you guys can
[1:54:42] could advise me I like I said I did not
[1:54:44] realize Miss Armstrong was on this board
[1:54:46] uh it makes sense now that I see your
[1:54:48] here uh but uh like I said I'm I'm going
[1:54:53] to debacle and anything you guys can
[1:54:54] advise me please I I'm I'm I'm I'm
[1:54:59] stuck so I don't know I I don't know
[1:55:03] what we can do if there's nothing we can do I I don't
[1:55:07] think Randy or at least bringing it to
[1:55:09] the county or not the county the uh City
[1:55:12] bring it to their you brought to their
[1:55:17] attention fines are imposed at a
[1:55:20] magistrate meeting is that I was even at
[1:55:22] a meeting I already have a lawyer
[1:55:24] involved there was he's he's trying to
[1:55:26] say there was no due process there was
[1:55:27] no letter sent to me uh I guess the
[1:55:30] whole reason why I could not do a lot of
[1:55:32] these uh repairs is because of the
[1:55:34] property being under the EPA and and
[1:55:36] there was ground monitoring leveling I
[1:55:38] couldn't do anything they had the
[1:55:39] property locked let me ask you about
[1:55:40] that that's like a Brownfield thing
[1:55:42] right yeah yeah yeah isn't doesn't the
[1:55:45] state
[1:55:47] have
[1:55:49] am I I tried right now Curr locked they are
[1:55:57] still to clean they do they do you're
[1:56:00] going to elaborate on could if you want
[1:56:02] let me say again Mr chair um his
[1:56:04] attorney I'm glad you brought it up your Le counsil have been in touch with
[1:56:09] our legal counsel correct correct and so
[1:56:11] there's there's conversation yeah so at
[1:56:13] this point I I I think that's what we
[1:56:16] have to leave like I said I just comeing
[1:56:18] across cuz one of my one of my friends
[1:56:19] said why don't you approach the board
[1:56:21] and that's why I kind of here like kind
[1:56:22] of a good idea to see if I can get some
[1:56:24] good direction and and like I said I've
[1:56:27] uh I've already talked to the City
[1:56:28] lawyer uh and they said that if I can
[1:56:30] get the the stuff that's on the uh the
[1:56:34] violations fixed then they'd be able to
[1:56:37] you know come to the city council and
[1:56:39] get the get the leans taken away of I've
[1:56:41] already tried to apply for loans
[1:56:43] construction loans anything and I've
[1:56:44] been denied every time because of the
[1:56:46] leans so that's where I'm at right now
[1:56:48] like I said I had an investor he was
[1:56:50] willing to put all the work into it as
[1:56:51] family friend I've known him since I was
[1:56:53] before I was born it was one of my my
[1:56:55] dad's fs and him having a heart attack
[1:56:57] in a stroke that's he had to back out we
[1:56:59] we'll follow up with code enforcement
[1:57:01] this where if if if the if the violation
[1:57:05] has been remed right no I don't know no
[1:57:07] the violations well I mean the stuff
[1:57:09] that I could do like the weeds trash
[1:57:10] graffiti painting I mean I'm pretty much
[1:57:13] out there you can ask Will he's he's
[1:57:14] walks by and sees me there's something
[1:57:16] wrong that I can physically do with my
[1:57:18] own two hands painting broken windows
[1:57:20] weeds uh with his construction uh
[1:57:22] they've torn up a heck a lot more of my
[1:57:24] parking lot uh which was always an issue
[1:57:26] but like I said uh with the F uh the EPA
[1:57:30] down there in the state they they have
[1:57:31] ground Wells of like every 5T on that
[1:57:34] property and I cannot touch it I can't
[1:57:36] put I can't put concrete
[1:57:38] over what are the construction cost what
[1:57:41] do you uh so far the one estimate I got
[1:57:43] is about 42,000 and that was just on the violations that's not even that is
[1:57:49] not even the concrete right now the
[1:57:50] concrete is something that I'm were
[1:57:52] going across the state uh what little
[1:57:55] two holes that were drawn out uh from
[1:57:58] the gas tanks had a little bit of T
[1:58:01] asphalt millings and dirt on top and now
[1:58:03] that the construction Crews come through
[1:58:05] they have parked gigantic excavators and
[1:58:07] it destroyed what was a little over that
[1:58:09] parking lot so that's another project
[1:58:11] that my lawyer is talking to about the
[1:58:13] uh the contractors to see if they can
[1:58:14] remedy the the destruction they've done
[1:58:16] in my parking
[1:58:18] lot yeah it's time yeah I think we'll keep an eye on this we'll come
[1:58:24] back to it if there's anything we can do
[1:58:26] to urge them to look at this I would
[1:58:27] hate for us to lose another business on
[1:58:29] our beach
[1:58:32] side yeah thank you guys I appreciate
[1:58:35] thank
[1:58:37] you see right else do we have here an
[1:58:40] Ruby come on
[1:58:44] up Ann Ruby 137 Park Avenue so what you
[1:58:48] guys did here tonight setting priorities
[1:58:50] uh is great and the city Commission in
[1:58:54] their last CRA meeting decided that they
[1:58:58] would have a have maybe I don't know if
[1:59:00] they decided quarterly or semiannually
[1:59:03] that they were going to have regular CRA
[1:59:05] meetings where they discussed things
[1:59:08] that weren't because usually they just rubber stamp something
[1:59:12] move on and there's really no discussion
[1:59:15] and that's not how a CRA is going to
[1:59:18] board is should be functioning that's my
[1:59:20] opinion so they did agree to start
[1:59:22] having I think quarterly meetings that
[1:59:25] we're going to start way at 4:30 or
[1:59:26] something um where they're going to
[1:59:28] actually discuss what's going on in the
[1:59:31] C so I would think that if Midtown and
[1:59:36] downtown could do list similar to this
[1:59:39] and then you guys can compile it and
[1:59:41] bring that forward for discussion that
[1:59:44] might be a great idea you know you know
[1:59:46] how I like to make work for other
[1:59:49] people but I think I I just think that
[1:59:52] would be a helpful way for you guys to
[1:59:53] have some input and I would hope at Le
[1:59:55] if those other two boards don't want to
[1:59:57] or don't have the opportunity to at
[1:59:59] least hopefully this could be on the
[2:00:01] agenda you're reading our minds we're
[2:00:04] going there we're gonna do it thank you
[2:00:05] yeah thank you man John
[2:00:09] Nicholson real quickly so if you don't
[2:00:12] understand it ask me uh one uh what do
[2:00:16] you want Main Street to look like what
[2:00:18] do you want Beachside to look like what
[2:00:20] do you want the boardwalk to look like
[2:00:22] what do you want A1A to look like all of
[2:00:24] these speak volumes not only for those
[2:00:27] of us that live here those of us that
[2:00:28] have our businesses here but also the
[2:00:31] tourist they want an attractive location
[2:00:34] they don't want to come to a dump all
[2:00:36] right and there are a lot of people if
[2:00:38] they come they don't like it they don't
[2:00:39] come back for years we had people coming
[2:00:42] back year after year after year staying
[2:00:44] at the same Hotel year at everybody knew
[2:00:47] everybody that's not the case anymore so
[2:00:50] we have to change to meet the standard
[2:00:52] so I'm asking you to find out what you
[2:00:54] wanted these things to look like what
[2:00:57] you wanted it to be uh secondly grants I
[2:01:00] would ask you to mail out grants we have
[2:01:02] addresses to all of our businesses in
[2:01:04] the CRA so they can't say I never got it
[2:01:07] I don't know about it because they don't
[2:01:10] nobody ever watches these meetings if
[2:01:13] you're a businessman how many of you
[2:01:14] would watch these meetings well because
[2:01:17] you're interested but most don't all
[2:01:19] right uh secondly I'm asking that uh uh
[2:01:23] A1A that Landscaping it almost finished
[2:01:26] with uh ISB you're supposed to go to a18
[2:01:31] next what they've D what they've
[2:01:34] envisioned is not what you guys want I'm
[2:01:36] telling you um those ballards at all the
[2:01:40] intersections 120 ballards having people
[2:01:43] walk into the street because they have
[2:01:44] to get around them these are going to be
[2:01:47] bad things taking away all the plants in
[2:01:49] the middle of the road because they want
[2:01:51] to curve the road they want to raise the
[2:01:53] intersection so they rise up and down
[2:01:56] there a lot of things that they want to
[2:01:57] do that as a tourist town we may not
[2:01:59] want to do um third camera positioning
[2:02:03] on cabb they had a bunch of pictures of
[2:02:06] what they were showing for six months I
[2:02:08] walked every Friday and Saturday for
[2:02:11] five hours to see what the problem was
[2:02:13] before we roll back to
[2:02:15] 3:00 the three worst locations where the
[2:02:19] shootings were are not covered by the
[2:02:21] cameras
[2:02:22] that to me doesn't make sense if that's
[2:02:24] where your problems are you really
[2:02:26] should have a camera where the problem
[2:02:28] is but we don't so we may want to look
[2:02:30] at that
[2:02:32] um Apartments I was just at the downtown
[2:02:36] Ser they were talking about a new
[2:02:38] apartment going on on on Ridgewood all
[2:02:40] right so they have the one on Beach
[2:02:42] Street they have the one on Ridgewood
[2:02:44] we're getting Apartments way up the
[2:02:46] street uh what is it Derbyshire or
[2:02:49] whatever it's called um but but 300
[2:02:53] Apartments we need much more than that
[2:02:55] but on Main Street there are used to be
[2:02:58] Apartments upstairs is there some way we
[2:03:01] could help renovate those locations so
[2:03:05] we can get bodies on the street because
[2:03:07] if they're living there they will come
[2:03:10] downstairs they will hit the shops below
[2:03:13] them and hopefully the beach and A1A and
[2:03:15] Boardwalk etc etc but we need bodies in
[2:03:18] the CRA area Delta which was Delta West
[2:03:22] which was on the meeting has
[2:03:24] property off of Main Street can we have
[2:03:28] a little asking of what you plan to do
[2:03:31] with the Delta Property between Main
[2:03:34] Street and Ocean Avenue thank you thank
[2:03:39] Youk all right we're on the board
[2:03:41] comments does anybody have any comments
[2:03:42] they'd like to
[2:03:44] add um I have one thing um so one thing
[2:03:48] that I didn't see in all of this that
[2:03:50] has a little bit of a I don't I wouldn't
[2:03:53] say it's a concern just a comment of
[2:03:54] mine I would like to find a way if we
[2:03:56] have any way to eliminate some of the
[2:03:58] red tape for businesses in the area
[2:04:01] because I think some of our issue as a
[2:04:04] city has always been we make things a
[2:04:06] little bit too prohibitive for
[2:04:08] businesses to open and sometimes even to
[2:04:10] stay open like with the gentleman we
[2:04:12] just had in front of us I mean I think
[2:04:14] if a business is making a concerted
[2:04:16] effort to make those changes why should
[2:04:17] we lose that business in our town
[2:04:20] especially if it's a wellestablished
[2:04:21] one that's been here that does well' be
[2:04:24] a shame to lose that and the same thing
[2:04:26] with our
[2:04:27] zoning I don't know if there's a way for
[2:04:29] us to look at it but some of our zoning
[2:04:32] seems like it was made up to stop
[2:04:34] businesses from opening so we have rdb
[2:04:37] one Rd B2 across from rb3 across from
[2:04:39] rdb 4 and they all have different spot
[2:04:41] zonings that require people to come in
[2:04:43] for a plan development and spend
[2:04:46] exorbitant amounts that they can spend
[2:04:47] on opening their
[2:04:48] business on that so I I wonder if
[2:04:51] there's a for us to take a look at that
[2:04:53] plan maybe relax some of it so we can
[2:04:56] see what the market actually decides
[2:04:58] instead of telling people not to open
[2:05:00] before they ever open and Mr chair I
[2:05:02] like to take small bites also we are we
[2:05:04] speaking of Main Street right now only
[2:05:07] uh Main Street and ISB Main Street and
[2:05:09] ISB our main two corridors right there
[2:05:11] on the beach side I think and we're
[2:05:13] talking about talking about buildings
[2:05:15] frontting ISB and running Main Street
[2:05:18] correct having having and I mean A1A as
[2:05:21] well probably
[2:05:23] and having the ability to be able to
[2:05:25] open up with not a lot of not as much
[2:05:27] red tape because I think historically I
[2:05:30] know from a lot of business owners I've
[2:05:31] talked to about coming yeah legitimate
[2:05:33] concern I've tried to give people to
[2:05:35] come down to that area and people say oh
[2:05:37] well I tried 15 years ago for 10 months
[2:05:41] and I just couldn't get through the city
[2:05:42] process and I think as a city we're at a
[2:05:45] different point now where we're trying
[2:05:47] to encourage people a lot more than we
[2:05:49] were say 10 years ago 15 years ago
[2:05:52] in Redevelopment are and we're they're
[2:05:54] in Redevelopment areas and we have the
[2:05:55] fun so I mean if there's a way for us to
[2:05:58] make the language less prohibitive yeah
[2:06:01] I I I have I have a good thing to add
[2:06:03] young lady over there should be first go
[2:06:05] ahead first okay I just wanted to ask
[2:06:07] what is the progress on the um sign so
[2:06:10] people would know I have so many people
[2:06:13] that come in they just wander from the
[2:06:15] Hilton and they go I can't believe
[2:06:18] you're here I had no idea I started
[2:06:20] walking and there were so many empty
[2:06:22] stores I had no idea you were here but
[2:06:26] they got there kiosk yeah we that's one of the things I mean it's not
[2:06:31] the the be all but I think the kiosk
[2:06:34] would help with that identifying what
[2:06:37] businesses are on Main on A1A on ISB in
[2:06:41] close proximity yeah I just wondered
[2:06:43] what the progress was on the one signage
[2:06:48] thing this whatever right signage was
[2:06:51] there were about five of us who had
[2:06:52] signage things well can I but I can miss
[2:06:56] hrey I I can say that um uh about four
[2:07:00] of the uh department heads have been um
[2:07:03] uh we've been doing our research on
[2:07:05] who's got kios throughout the State of
[2:07:06] Florida the cities um so the last couple
[2:07:09] weeks I probably had four teams meeting
[2:07:12] where we're we've um had meetings with
[2:07:15] other cities and trying to determine how
[2:07:17] did they go about um getting their kiosk
[2:07:20] because these are cities that already have them um and what was the
[2:07:23] cost um of it and and and you know how
[2:07:26] they're using it so we're in that
[2:07:29] process then we're going to dump it off
[2:07:31] to um purchase and to put it out to B do
[2:07:34] we have any rfps out there oh yeah
[2:07:36] plenty of them we got we got several of
[2:07:38] them okay yeah and that was part of our
[2:07:41] due diligence with talking to these
[2:07:43] other um cities that already have them
[2:07:46] well and I the one thing I wanted to add
[2:07:49] is that the current staff is why I have
[2:07:53] so much respect for you is this staff
[2:07:56] right now finds a reason to tell us yes
[2:07:59] years before they found reasons to tell
[2:08:01] us no so the old Daytona is no longer
[2:08:05] the old Daytona this is the new Daytona
[2:08:08] so if we can make it easier that's great
[2:08:10] but here's the problem with that now
[2:08:13] I've been I'm a business person I've
[2:08:14] tried to put I got so much I have
[2:08:17] acreage on East ISB on either side I've
[2:08:20] tried to come up with a lot of things
[2:08:22] cities disagreed with one of those
[2:08:23] things but you know what hindsight
[2:08:25] looking
[2:08:26] back there was a there's a reason for
[2:08:29] that because it's not just about what I
[2:08:32] want it's really what the city needs and
[2:08:34] what I want and the biggest thing with
[2:08:38] myself personally taken out of this
[2:08:40] equation is that what I've learned is to
[2:08:46] try to do something that will benefit
[2:08:48] the city so that's why I look to the
[2:08:50] staff and the the zoning restrictions to
[2:08:53] try to guide me in that now maybe we can
[2:08:55] tweak them different ways I mean I agree
[2:08:57] but we're looking at zoning standards
[2:08:59] that were set in the early 90s and if
[2:09:01] they were going to work they would have
[2:09:02] worked by now in my own opinion well they're they're going just my
[2:09:05] opinion well I I'm going to tell you
[2:09:07] this and this is previous to this staff
[2:09:10] getting here the past city manager my my
[2:09:13] property on 326 South Grand View excuse
[2:09:17] me sorry my property on 326 South Grand
[2:09:20] View the middle of my property was
[2:09:22] accidentally changed to residential I
[2:09:25] couldn't occupy my building for over
[2:09:27] three years I had to go to the new city
[2:09:30] manager and the the gentleman the young
[2:09:33] lady across street they straightened it
[2:09:34] up for me right
[2:09:36] so and I'm not just doing this because I like you guys you're doing your
[2:09:42] job you know what I mean so uh to say
[2:09:45] that I can't say it's difficult I feel
[2:09:47] so comfortable almost in tears all the
[2:09:50] stuff you done you know what I'm saying
[2:09:52] very polite very and I agree with you
[2:09:54] though that we can make things easier
[2:09:57] but we also got to be careful because if
[2:09:59] you get years ago I wasn't the nicest
[2:10:02] guy I ran strip clubs I I did own got to
[2:10:05] be careful yeah but what I'm saying is not everything is
[2:10:10] good for business on beach side and we
[2:10:13] have to kind of within reason yeah and I
[2:10:17] trust them to guide me that way thank
[2:10:20] you thank you thank you will thank you
[2:10:23] Ken thank you Angela anybody else NOP
[2:10:26] all right meeting a
[2:10:27] Jour did you find
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