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Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the regular commission meeting, this August 19th, 2025. If the clerk, please call the roll.

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Commissioner Marker, Vice Mayor Long, Commissioner Kassau, Deputy Vice Mayor Brown, Mayor Carney.

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Here, we have a quote.

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Thank you very much. If you could all rise, please, for the pledge of allegiance.

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national parasitین acabaevendivisable activity and assist this

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for all thank you very much and may be say

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agenda approval and other any additions subtractions to theaches

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media about like to pull item 6h-1

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And I'd like to ask for consensus to move item 7-H, which has to do with the traffic control devices.

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Further up on the agenda, I think there's quite a few folks here that are going to hear to speak about that issue.

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And I'd like to not have enough to wait several hours till we get to discuss it up here.

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Okay, so we'll make 7H1, 7, why don't we make that 7BB and allow the people that are here for that other thing to be 7AA?

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So if we can move, what was the number you said, Mr. Long?

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Got Commissioner Long?

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7H.

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Are there any traffic control noncompliance?

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Are there any other circumstances to move that up to 7A?

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Fine.

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And we'll make six H-1-7-B-B.

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Are there any other changes to the agenda?

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Well, now you, I have the everyone's work where the everyone's ready to move, so.

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So I need a motion to approve.

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Motion to approve.

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Any second?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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There we are.

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Approved.

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We now have presentations.

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The first presentation, I am happy to say,

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is a proclamation for Coco Goff.

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Some of you may have heard of her, you know she's actually from Del Rey, she plays tennis a little.

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Let me read the Proclamation.

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Whereas Corey Dion Coco Gough has made remarkable achievements in the world of tennis.

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Most recently, winning her first French Open Singles title in 2025.

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Whereas in 2024, she secured the French Open Grand Slam doubles title, along with partner Katrina Sinia Cova.

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Whereas Coco Gough is the youngest American female

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to win the French Open Singles title in the past decade, and whereas in 2023, she captured

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her first major Singles title at the U.S. Open, becoming the youngest American women to win

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the tournament since 1999. And whereas she has been honored with the S.P. Award for Best

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Tennis Player in both 2024 and 2025, a testament to her excellence and consistency. And whereas

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in 2024, Cocoa Cup became the youngest WTA finals champions since 2004, and the first American

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to win the title since 2014.

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And whereas beyond her achievements on the court,

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Coca-Cola fuses her platform to advocate

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for social justice, including racial equality

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and climate change, inspiring millions

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around the world through her leadership and activism.

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Now, therefore, I, Thomas F. Carnegie Jr.

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Mayor of the City of Del Rey Beach,

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on behalf of the City Commission,

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who hereby recognize and congratulate Coca-Cola

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for her tennis accomplishments and advocacy

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and extend our deepest admiration

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for her contributions to tennis, her community,

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and the global conservation on justice and equality.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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If I can ask my fellow commission,

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she will offer a follow-up with...

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Okay, we'll let you think.

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We'll make a presentation.

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And then we'll go sit down.

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Post that there's got to be a proper couple.

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Good.

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Sorry.

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I think it'd be just for the day and for all.

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I don't know what the question is asked for.

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Now, you know, I have to, this is my time, but I just want to say on behalf of Coco with her on her way to you, no prayer.

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And she could not be here. I want to thank kids for accompanying me here. She's like a family friend that just does everything.

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Yeah, I don't know how much Coco love them, right? Yeah, I don't know how much I love them, right?

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I got on our cocoa dairy shoes, go buy your son, but thank you, Mayor commissioners, and all

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of their array for this, because she does not do this for awards, it took a long time to get them to do

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this, because remember about the parade, she didn't want a big deal, but you guys didn't parade

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And on the half of the entire family, both sides of the family,

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because both sides of the family grew up here.

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Her mom and dad, they played terrible rocks who are going to be here.

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The mom was a cheerleader, and all that kind of good stuff.

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And y'all know how much I love Derek.

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So thank you so much on behalf of the girl family.

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And as they fly up to New York, y'all better cheer for my baby.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, I'm going to be asking Chief Morton to come up.

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We're going to recognize the life-saving action by Captain James Bass at the Dory Beach Fire Rescue Department and his son Quinn.

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Let's get up.

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Here we go.

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Captain Bass.

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Good evening, mayors.

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Commissioner and City Manager.

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This evening, it's my distinct honor and privilege to present to you tonight, Captain James Bass,

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a veteran of the Del Rey Beach Fire Rescue Department with 18 years of dedicated service along with his son Quinn, age 11.

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What began is a simple family getaway to Brecht and Rich Crawl Colorado meant for rest, laughter, and bonding.

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Quickly became a moment to showcase courage, skill, and true spirit of service.

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On the morning of July 9 as the best family prepared for a fun day of hiking and fishing,

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Captain Bass noticed an elderly gentleman lying face down in the parking lot of his hotel.

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Without hesitation, both father and son jumped into action and rushed to his side.

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Through a rapid, complete, and thorough patient assessment,

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that it was discovered this man was in cardiac arrest.

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In that moment, young Quinn,

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drawing upon the guidance, example, and values instilled by his father,

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took charge, and directed his father to start CPR.

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Following following AHA algorithms, we'd

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kept in bass to ask about an AED being available. Young Quinn, again, didn't pause. He ran

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over 120 yards to a neighboring adjacent property to retrieve an AED, and this was all at

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a 9600 foot elevation, and we all know how much elevation we have in Florida.

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With steady

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delivered and the gentleman's heart began to beat again. Due to their swift and decisive

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action and selfless actions, this man was stabilized, transferred to Denver, and continues

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a path to recovery today. Tonight, we not only celebrate the life-saving efforts of Captain

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Jim Bass and his son Quinn, we celebrate the very best of what it means to serve. Their story reminds

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us of the power of early CPR and defibrillation, but also the character compassion and caliber

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of people who wear the Delray Beach Fire Rescue badge.

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Captain Bass, your professionalism and leadership

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continue to make us proud.

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Quinn, your courage and quick thinking are an inspiration,

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not just your father but to all of us here tonight.

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We'll be holding an application for you

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in a few short years in a row.

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On behalf of our city and the Fire Rescue

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Chief and our entire department,

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we extend our heartfelt congratulations

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and most profound gratitude and warmest wishes to both you and to the man whose life you have so

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profoundly touched. And I have these recognition plaques.

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Thank you guys. Thank you very much for the commission.

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It's for honor to receive the recognition and I just want to express my thanks and

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Thank you guys very much. Thank you very much. Thank you both.

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You make it proud.

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For C, this is going to be a, this is the discussion of Del Ray Rocks by city funded non profit organization and the cheerleading organization.

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So representatives from Del Ray Rocks are here.

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At this time therefore coming Mr. Mayor, so they'll be in positions off of every presentation.

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Oh, you didn't get strategic seating on the aisle, I'll see that, so. Okay. All right.

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And to be mindful for good measure, you all approve the agreement between this video,

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they're already beach and there may be drugs in organization a week ago today,

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resulting in the brief presentation from leadership. Thank you, ladies.

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Thank you. Good evening, everyone. Commissioner Mayor, city manager. My name is Clara DePickett.

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I'm a city of Del Rey Beach resident.

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I'm also currently the president and lead park representative

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for the Del Rey Rocks.

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I have been a volunteer for the Del Rey Rocks since 2006.

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Since my son was old enough and able to play for the Del Rey Rocks.

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Just a brief history of the Del Rey Rocks.

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We were brought into existence in 1966 by William Bill Smith.

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Today, this is our 59th year that the Del Rey Rocks

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have been in existence, I think we are the longest standing program within the city of Del Ray Beach.

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This could not be possible with our dedicated volunteers, our parents, the participants, and the support from our city and community.

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Moving forward, our, sorry, nervous, our organization currently have eight football teams

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and five cheer teams.

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Fast forward to the past few years, 2024, 2020 to 2024, we have won seven super balls.

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Our cheer teams have been rocking the mat, several first place championships as well.

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We recognize and we are appreciative of all of the support from the City of Del Rey Beach.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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Good evening. Commissioner is my name is Vicki Hill. And I have been with the Del Ray

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Robs since about 2010.

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I am a Del Ray Beach resident. And I want to get into the presentation.

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Well, Clarita was saying a little brief history about the Del Ray Robs. This is our 59th year. And we came

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In two,

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we came into Delray in 1966 by Bill Smith.

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By Bill Smith, and he named us after his squadron.

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Those are the pictures.

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If you look hard, you'll see Bill Smith to the right, and you'll also see

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rent, owed them, and a host of other people, those are just as old as it is.

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Just go to the next

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one.

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Okay, we just want you to know what, no.

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Your support helps us build confidence, provide mentorship, and open the door to academic excellence.

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We didn't want to be before you long, so our budget requests.

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We just wanted to show you things that we have to pay for.

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Our fees for the rep, referees, run a little or $15,000, or $15,750, do's to be in the

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200, she is 1,600, you would say football dues is 750 dollars.

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Now, this is the big thing that you guys have done for Delray, our travel, because a lot

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of children can't get to where we go, we go as far as Kendall, you provide a bus for us.

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So, for a chair competition, it's going to be about 4,000. Superbow 2800, because we're going to

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Superbow again. And for our regular season, it runs about $36,000.

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Little things that we need to play, football,

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mouthpieces, girdles, helmets, shoulder pads, helmet reconditioning uniforms, knee pads,

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replacement uniforms, runs us about 46,000 a year.

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You provide, we get into the

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year trophies, little supplies. We do for AYFL rules. We do have to provide

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tent and drinks for the referees. So we have to pay for little things like that.

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We have to make sure it's a very hot outside.

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So we have to make sure the kids stay hydrated.

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We do have to pay taxes.

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So we have to pay for our CPA to do our taxes.

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Insurance, the light towers, because on the visiting side,

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there's no lighting.

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So when we play at night, we have to have those light towers and we do do front raising

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So we do ask anyone and we're still sick except in donations if anybody want to

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So we do have little dances

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We we probably don't make as much as we should but we made about

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2000 and registrations 30,000

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So what you gave us in this fiscal year was 97,000 and I didn't want to ask, we didn't want

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to ask for much more than that because we know that you do give us a lot.

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So we were just asking for 100,000.

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OK, the list of our executive board members

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as Clarita Pinkett, Terrence Thomas,

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Merriad Pickens, myself and Michael Charles.

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Here are our coaching staff and most of them are

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Derry Beach residents.

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We have some that work for the city of Derry Beach.

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We have two coaches that also coach at Atlantic.

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Erkiss Hill, Windale, Jarrell, Edwin, Derek, Eric, Hotrod, and Blitty.

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I know you guys are accustomed to Hotrod, because he's been here with the Super Bowl.

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And also, with Eric Davis, and Coco Golf's brother is number eight on 11-U.

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He is the quarterback, okay, and then Blitty, 13-U.

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This is our schedule just in case you guys wanted to come and check us out. Our home

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games we've already had three, we have three more September 6th, the 20th and October

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11th and we're at a secret soccer complex.

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There are some more pictures.

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You see there?

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You see how we have a team there that already got recognized by you all.

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A huge thank you to our biggest supporter, that's the city of Del Rey Beach.

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You are a live saver in your dedication and partnership, make everything we do possible.

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And we just wanted to leave a little treat

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and we're just thanking them for being live savers.

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So thank you

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very much.

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and I've been expecting to go to Super Bowl last year.

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I've been expecting to issue two of them.

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Yes sir.

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We have expectations.

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Absolutely.

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You have any questions of us?

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Are we done?

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I want to say thank you for the presentation.

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We haven't had this in the past.

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So when we see the amount of money you're getting, we obviously wonder about you're doing a lot

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for the community and we appreciate you and I can't believe these kids are playing in

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August.

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It is so hot.

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Yes, it's very hot.

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So thank you for the presentation and the information.

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and then we appreciate you. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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We have the presentation now by the downtown development authority regarding old school

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square activities and the 2025 proposed, 2025, 2026 proposed budget.

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There we go.

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Good evening, Mayor, commissioners.

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See you, manager, city attorney.

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Everyone, my name is Laura Simon.

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I'm with the downtown development authority.

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And I'm with Susie and Void, our director of marketing.

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And I think we might have some board members here, but just wanted to recognize our board of directors,

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Al Castello, Brian Rosen, a jewel Galardie Salman.

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We have also Jim Knight, Cole Devitt, Anthony Barber, and Aaron Hellyburn.

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So I feel like I'm naming my children.

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But thank you for giving us the opportunity to present

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the program and activation of old school square campus,

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which is under our preview as the Cornell Art Museum,

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the amphitheater and lawn as well as the vintage gym

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and the grounds there.

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So we're just going to share with you some highlights

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taking you through a little bit of the history.

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It's really take the opportunity

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And just share with the community really what's going on at Old School, I, the Downtown Development Authority as an organization is working closely with the city on activating a programming in this cultural arts campus.

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So in August 2021, you'll see the city terminated the lease with the Center for the Arts, which is the nonprofit on the campus managing that for over decades.

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October 2022, the City of the DDA held a workshop regarding the campus and regarding the

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necessity, the necessity for keeping that campus open and active as a center of the

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heart of our downtown and our city. So the DDA worked cooperatively with the city as a

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funding operation for us to then program and activate an interlocal agreement to open

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up first the Cornell Art Museum, which sits on Atlantic Avenue, on the Swinton and Atlantic

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Avenue, the building, which is the 1913 elementary school for Delray Beach. Now is the

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Cornell Art Museum. It's open now with exhibitions, and we, it isn't a closed building. It

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is actually open, and we invite everybody to be there. December, we opened up the Cornell Art Museum

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with a new exhibition, February, 2023,

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we signed the Inelegal Agreement,

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and then we started producing events in March

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and April, managing the campus for private events

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that are rentals, as well as creating events on the campus.

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September, we, if we started out with the entire campus

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and then in September 2023, the city to go over

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the management of the Cedar Building

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to execute the renovations and move forward there and October 2023, the DDA also acquired

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the vintage gem for management and programming. And in 2024, in September, we are now in

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our five-year term working and managing that campus. In the end, the DDA agrees to handle

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administration's set-up operation maintenance, programming activities, exhibitions and special

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for the use and enjoyment of the city residents and the public at large in order to encourage economic development and promotion of the downtown area of the city.

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So this is what we're doing when things are responsibilities with the funding provided by the city and funding that we raise on the campus is we host series of exhibitions and programs that we produce and create on our team as well as

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and with our partners and managing the campus.

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So when we have rentals or private events that are,

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like such as the Green Market or the Coco Market,

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other events that actually happen in the campus,

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our team is there to manage and execute

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and oversee the execution of those.

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And then the marketing of the campus.

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When this was closed for many years,

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it was really important for us to ramp up the marketing

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for this campus to really let the public know

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that the campus is open and open and active

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and available for use and enjoyment.

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So just a little bit about the visitor traffic.

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Just if I year, you'll see we at 220,000 of 2021,

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228 and 22, and just growing on 23 and 24,

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we continue to grow an events.

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Just recently we had a free concert on the campus,

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host in close to 2800 people, which is significant.

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And I know the city just hosted the drone show with over 5,000 people at that event and the middle of summer, which is really when we need it here in downtown.

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So just a snapshot of the events that are produced by the DDA and on the campus, just looking at these are all a multitude of events from free exhibitions and hosting events in the Cornell art museum, as well as ticket events.

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So we had the pop 2000 with in seeing O' Town and Ryan Cabera in July, as well as yoga and

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who health and fitness events is summer.

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So I'm just going to do a shout out for the, yeah, and we finally did.

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The left hand picture is actually the Harold Codio talk, where he unveiled the portrait that

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he did of Coco Gauff and Mrs. Odom was there as well as Coco's family, about 300 people

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inside the museum that night so it's a really really beautiful night and the

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right-hand picture is full moon yoga we had about 700 people register for that but

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we had 1100 people show up so that was another free event that we produced on

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campus it's just this year. So going into this current year of 2526 as we start

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what we're calling the school year, the Delray High School which is the

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100 year anniversary of the campus. So it's a milestone year and we're embarking on really

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set a year of Centennial celebrations on the campus and really want to focus on being inclusive

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and telling the story of old school square and our community through all of our events.

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So our goal is to obviously launch a celebration in the fall and starting and

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street from the Cornell Museum all the way through the campus making it a full tour and like travel

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through time, if you will. And then our next preparing for the next hundred years.

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Yeah, in part of the priorities and part of the 100th anniversary of the campus is the launch

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of the rebrand. As you all know, we went through a call to artists, the public voted,

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10,000 votes, they choose the artist, Patricia Torres. She is right now working with our graphic

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to come up with the final logo and we hope to launch that when we, during one of these

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health centennial celebrations. Some of the other priorities, bringing more revenue

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generating events to the campus, bringing back art on the square, which was an event

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that was a money maker outside of the Cornell Art Museum, more family events, constant

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activations, low-impactant activations, and stronger summer programming. Some of the

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consider are just capital improvements to the campus.

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The restrooms need to be redone some facility enhancements.

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There's some flooding issues on the campus.

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And then also working with us to create a comprehensive plan

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for the entire campus, a strategic plan of what we want this

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campus to be and how we want to move forward with it.

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And then now taking a look at the numbers.

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So this is a look at the projected revenue for the fiscal year

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We are hoping for $800,000 as we got last year from the city.

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The rental income is about 50,000 program income, about 170,000.

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We get about $25,000 in donations and sponsors,

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and then you see $10,000 in museum store sales,

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which puts us just over a million dollars to run the campus.

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We wanted to break that down into buckets,

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So you can really see what we're doing with that money

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operations, that staff, is about 427,000.

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And that includes security on campus, legal,

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all kinds of administrative services.

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Then you say the marketing and advertising,

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that's really getting people to know about what's happening

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on campus.

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The Cornell Art Museum, those are the exhibitions,

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the amphitheater, those are the concerts,

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and all the activations, and then the low maintenance budget,

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which is about $26,000.

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Now, we want to break it down for you

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so you can see specific what that looks like,

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payroll, facility expenses,

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and we did want to go into the next slide

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because I think that there have been some public comments

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about the DDA making money off of whole school square

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and we just wanted to kind of lay this out

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so that we can put those inaccuracies to rest.

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This is a look at the OSS budget on your left and on the right is what the DDA pays for.

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And those services, the DDA pays for are loaned to old school square because it is in the heart of our downtown.

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And we really believe that this is an important piece of the downtown.

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So on the left is what comes out of the old school square budget, which is the city funding and the money that we make at old school square.

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on the right.

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The executive director, the marketing director, the marketing coordinator, those salaries are all paid for by the DDA, and that is not, you know, that it's not, we don't take any salary from old school square.

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As far as expenses, this is the marketing and advertising. You can see the buckets, how that breaks down.

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Let's move on. I think we're on a time.

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Then we get to the Cornell Art Museum.

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You can see what those events and activations,

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Meriska is constantly programming the Cornell Art Museum.

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So it's always got something happening new.

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And this is a look at the amphitheater,

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and we kind of break it down between winter programs and summer programs,

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outdoor games and activities,

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and then we are hoping throughout all of these programs

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to have a this antennaeal be a part of all of the programming.

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And then this is just a small maintenance budget.

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We do some painting around campus and lighting and different things to just keep the campus looking nice.

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We did want to lay out the Creative Arts School because it is a part of the campus.

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And this is part of the budget for your fiscal year 26.

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And right now you all have budgeted $426,000 for the Creative Arts School.

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That of course is under the city purview.

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it is not under the DDA, the Crest Theatre and the Creative Arts School are under the city management.

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And then we just wanted to lay out the final numbers and you can see that the Creative Arts

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School, that one program is costing the city more than half of what the entire campus costs

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in your current budget.

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So any questions, comments?

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Mr. Mayor, I like to all for a bit of clarity. I think it's proven that I do so at this

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This engagement, one of the provisions of the aforementioned agreement between the City

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of Derrie Beach and the downtown development authority is to offer an annual update in

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terms of activities, record of achievement as a release to the services being provided

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at the OSS campus.

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Separant in a part from the Creative Arts School, that's distinctively a separate operation

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of the City of Derrie Beach.

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We've updated the commission in terms of what I've had for it is in that regard.

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Additionally, perhaps more quotiently, I like to refresh everybody's attention, I hosted a meeting with leadership with a downtown development authority.

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It would have been Tuesday, June 24 of this year, for 13 afternoon to talk a little bit about revenue analysis, particularly forecast, et cetera, what the opportunities are in that regard.

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And that brings me to this specific request of $800,000 being made available for the upcoming fiscal year.

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I openly talked about the prospect of a $700,000 recommendation as part of the aggregate proposal budget for fiscal year 2025-26.

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The Commission may very well recall in some of the details of presentations haven't been offered that that was actually the recommended consideration.

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So bottom line, the current proposed budget process does take on the consideration of $700,000

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commitment towards this relationship and not an $800,000 one.

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So that is you all form a request.

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However, the proposed budget process takes on the consideration of $700,000 of which we were

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fairly open about that as we went along.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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on that see manager that conversation was following was actually tagged on to another meeting

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that we had. So I knew we had a dialogue on that. I didn't realize that that was the formal

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request for that or recommendation by you. I know that there was going to hopefully be another

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follow up conversation and so that's why we're here with our presentation. Following our meetings

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that we've been having publicly as well with the board. So again, we have activated the campuses

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year we're working, you know, based with a partnership with the city collectively to and our

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and our residents and community to make sure the campus is open and active in the downtown,

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and it does require a lot of, and even more than what we are actually doing here, it would

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really require quite a bit more to make sure that that campus is fully operational and should be

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three hundred sixty five days of the year. So that's I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

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The commissioner Mr. Long, in the comments.

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Mr. Marker.

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I just want to thank you ladies and the whole DV18 for what you do.

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I think the downtown has been unbelievable the past year. We've had more events than ever.

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We've had paid events. We've had free events.

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We're obviously driving a lot of traffic into our downtown area,

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which is what our merchants tell me every day they want and I know I don't blame them.

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If I had a restaurant down there the more we can drive in the better our city is.

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I want to be very careful with the DDA. I think the work you're doing is really good.

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I think it's critical to the success that we've had as a community.

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And I want to be mindful of any and all cuts that we're contemplating because I don't want to go

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backward. We've worked two damn hard to get here. And we're the envy of every city in Florida and

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many around the United States and I want to stay there so the work you guys are doing is contributing

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mightily to that so I want to say thank you and like I said I want to be perfectly mindful

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of anything that we're thinking about cutting because this is too valuable to to mess around with

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thank you. Thank you. I wish it a good start. Yeah I would say thank you for the presentation and

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You know, I set up here when you weren't running the campus and it's, you're doing an exceptional job and people recognize that and we are still in our budget process. Thank you.

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Mr. Burns. Just thank you for your presentation and thank you for the work that you do in our CD and our downtown area. That's it. Thank you.

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A lot of Ruhaha was made about my doing a public record

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or a question to obtain all the financial statements.

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I do have one thing to start off with

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and that you continue to try to point out that you

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for 800,000 do all this and somehow that the city has been

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426,000 on the article when you were told yesterday

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by this deputy city manager exactly what that means

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and that we know that money hasn't spent.

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You know it's been budgeted for teachers, you know the teachers are going to be paid out of what the payments.

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So you're trying to sit there and make this.

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Well, that's not what your budget from last year says.

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Well, you, that you can't understand and read a budget.

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And what doesn't get spent in and stuff gives you a budget doesn't mean it's spent.

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What it says.

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Well, you were told yesterday.

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And you're continuing to, the fable.

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You're continuing to fable.

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So I have a chair.

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Mayer.

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You have a chair yesterday.

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I got the chair today.

456
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:15,130
Mayer.

457
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:24,650
So this is question discussion, I think the presentation is over, so I don't think you're directing questions to them, I think you're directing it to your colleagues.

458
00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:27,090
So.

459
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:29,670
On this we have specific questions, I think you can just direct to your colleagues.

460
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:33,110
Well, I'm only expecting to address to my colleagues was this.

461
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:38,430
And we all received an email this morning from Gina Carter on what the true numbers are.

462
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:43,510
And to suggest that it's a bigger number than that and how great you are,

463
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:49,050
$800,000, how allows you to work for $426,000, and our overspending is truly just in

464
00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:49,310
January.

465
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:50,950
But I have a lot of questions.

466
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,130
You know, I'm not saying there's anything wrong, I get a lot of questions.

467
00:37:55,350 --> 00:38:00,810
You know, I want to know why the GDA budget has gone up 100 percent in five years.

468
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:04,140
Is that a question?

469
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:04,780
Can I answer that question?

470
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:05,060
Can I answer that question?

471
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:06,500
Can I answer that question?

472
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,280
When you're directly asking my question that's fine, but I think if you're just...

473
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,400
Okay, I'm directly asking.

474
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,620
I mean, it's going up in five years.

475
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:19,660
Our village is stayed the same, but our, so we are said, said our village based on the value of the downtown.

476
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:22,620
So the value of the downtown is the value of the downtown.

477
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:24,320
So the property is in the downtown.

478
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:25,640
So what do you mean?

479
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,720
Your value based on that.

480
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:31,800
And I acknowledge that, and you love to say that you're entitled to shut your entire union.

481
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,300
You're given one meal and you're allowed to spend it.

482
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,220
You know, we could do 10 meals here at the city.

483
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,440
We're allowed to do 10.

484
00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:38,280
We don't.

485
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:38,460
Why?

486
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,020
Because we give the taxpayers a break.

487
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:55,420
And I might point is a million dollar increase in revenues over five years without any other cuts to me is not being very taxpayer friendly, but you've answered the question, so I understand why it, you've got it, that doesn't mean you have to spend it.

488
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,540
That's my first point.

489
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,420
So it's also a proof through the proper process.

490
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,460
I'm not suggesting that because nobody else isn't getting the financials tonight, first point is everybody now knows.

491
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:12,040
Okay, so I'd like to know why you administer.

492
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:13,080
We gave all the findings.

493
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,360
I'd like, oh, please don't go down that road.

494
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:16,700
We don't see you.

495
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Please, please, I'm not, I'd like to know why the administrative costs are at 60 percent,

496
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,620
68 percent of your operating, 66 percent of your operating budget.

497
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,720
And let me go, let me go for salaries and benefits.

498
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,710
Now, I just, can I just, can I just, can I just clarify, are you speaking about the

499
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:41,710
I'm talking about what I don't know because if I look at what your auditor says,

500
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:47,830
your auditor, and I'm just going to be my next question, why is your auditor

501
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:52,390
comment on they don't can't do the efficiency of your internal control?

502
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:53,330
Can I say that?

503
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:54,010
No, you may not.

504
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:55,110
That's in our statement.

505
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:57,350
Page 172 of our audit report.

506
00:39:57,810 --> 00:39:58,770
It's on page 59.

507
00:39:59,010 --> 00:39:59,290
Yeah.

508
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:59,730
I understand.

509
00:40:00,110 --> 00:40:02,550
It's a part of our audit.

510
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:04,550
Our internal control is a part of our audit.

511
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:16,810
They have the same exact terminology in our audit, we have the same exact terminology in the CRA audit, I saw your email, I heard what you said yesterday, that's not accurate information.

512
00:40:17,090 --> 00:40:18,310
Okay, it is accurate information.

513
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:22,750
Let's go back to the American, can I ask a question please, are we speaking?

514
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:24,890
We came here tonight to talk about the old school.

515
00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:33,610
I'm talking about old school square too because I happen to think that before we give you another 700, 800, 900,000, whatever you're asking for, that we should have our auditor,

516
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:45,410
Make sure that you're spending the taxpayer dollars in accordance with what I think I'm sure to be fine because I think we need to understand that because

517
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:48,770
You know the first in programming our our our our shows

518
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:54,790
There's no I don't know contract for this person. They're paid up monthly fee, but there's no contract with them

519
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:59,970
You know he gets $5,000 a month for booking shows that are local. That may be great

520
00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:04,150
But, you know, when you speak to the booking agents and do this for a living, essentially

521
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:07,370
we're paying him what you would be paying them, but getting a better quality show.

522
00:41:09,850 --> 00:41:14,170
Because we can go through that list, we can go through that list, happy to do that, it's not

523
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:14,710
tonight.

524
00:41:15,250 --> 00:41:20,870
But as it relates to the salaries, which you use portion of it for, I understand that you're

525
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:24,470
doing all that, you include in the salaries,

526
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:28,690
you have two and a half marketing people,

527
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:32,190
what you have three marketing people that you pay as vendors,

528
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:35,070
you have security people you pay, the way it works

529
00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:37,030
is you're operating budget, you're operating budget,

530
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:41,130
you can't deduct or average down your payments

531
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:44,330
based on what you pay third party vendors,

532
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:46,470
that's not the way it works in terms of the eternity,

533
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:49,330
how many organizations salary construct.

534
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:52,410
So we can look at that and I'm still looking at it,

535
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:53,570
but all I'm saying is,

536
00:41:53,590 --> 00:41:55,630
but for the first banner is put up,

537
00:41:55,850 --> 00:41:57,610
a lot of money goes out the door internally,

538
00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:58,710
That's all I'm saying.

539
00:42:01,710 --> 00:42:07,030
And I'm troubled by the fact that when I looked at some of the statements yesterday that

540
00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:13,150
you have pages and pages of things on your bills, which are no receipts provided.

541
00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:16,370
Now, yes, you got your audit.

542
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:22,350
But audits, as we all know, are just to determine whether he gave me a bill, I paid the bill.

543
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:23,610
The audit says, yes, you paid it.

544
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:25,110
I don't know whether he spent his money correctly.

545
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:26,330
I'm not saying he didn't spend it correctly.

546
00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:27,830
But that's what receipts are for.

547
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:34,830
And you're asking me to turn over another $700,000 to an organization that doesn't keep receipts.

548
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:36,870
We have the receipts.

549
00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:38,070
Can she explain that?

550
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:38,690
That's a stick.

551
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:42,270
You're making serious accusations that their meetings in here.

552
00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:44,570
At least a lot of her the opportunity to explain it.

553
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:46,490
I was going to know where it says no receipt.

554
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:47,030
No receipt.

555
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:47,330
No receipt.

556
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:47,370
No receipt.

557
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:48,150
I can't copy.

558
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:48,650
Look at it.

559
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:49,470
I looked at it.

560
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:52,310
You sent it two minutes before the meeting and I did look at it.

561
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:52,770
Thank you.

562
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:53,910
Well, that's fine.

563
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:54,990
We'll start with you.

564
00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:56,650
I assure you the auditor saw it.

565
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:59,230
I just, can I ask, what is it you're trying to accomplish?

566
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:01,390
I am trying to accomplish that I want to make.

567
00:43:01,390 --> 00:43:05,390
I want to make sure that the money we're giving the DDA is being property accounted for.

568
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:07,890
I want our auditor to look at how this spending for the money.

569
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:12,170
I want to make our auditor look at whether or not the contracts they have that we're paying money for.

570
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:12,810
You need it.

571
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:12,890
You need it.

572
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:13,910
You need it.

573
00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:21,050
It's appropriate under the circumstances and has been competitively bit out.

574
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:22,690
It's not being competitively bit out.

575
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:26,270
So, everybody talks about transparency.

576
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:28,970
I talk about transparency and accountability.

577
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:30,990
It feels like you're going after them.

578
00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:32,090
I want to be on that.

579
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:33,330
You're not doing that.

580
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:33,870
You're not doing that.

581
00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:34,570
You're not doing that.

582
00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:35,930
You're not doing this in the CRA.

583
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:37,390
You're going to their meetings.

584
00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:39,510
Your represent all of us is the mayor.

585
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:40,850
You're sitting up there.

586
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:45,730
And the members are saying there's attention and a hostility up there that's uncomfortable with

587
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:46,390
your presence.

588
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:46,890
Exactly.

589
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:48,030
And I want to chime in.

590
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:50,590
I feel the exact same way.

591
00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:57,130
I'm glad you've got any of these of information that you are making decisions on that is not strategic.

592
00:43:57,770 --> 00:44:06,430
That is being tactical. You do not have all the information. And if you went to the events that the DDA has, every Friday and Saturday, and you don't,

593
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,250
we are jammed down there. That million dollars that we're spending is the best million dollars we've ever spent.

594
00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:18,310
And because you don't like what they do, does not mean for one minute that you should be driving this process.

595
00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:24,670
Mayor, I'm sorry, well I don't get mad at anybody. Ladies and gentlemen, all I'm saying to you is I

596
00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:30,710
Wanted an accountability of the money being spent with the taxis of everyone is saying this feels very

597
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:32,890
Personal, it's not personal

598
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:41,050
Why look at ask the people this is the most personal thing I've seen in years I've been

599
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:46,470
Don't care whether the people paid by the organization apply well you should care about those people. They voted you in

600
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:47,250
Thank you.

601
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:47,590
Thank you.

602
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:47,970
Thank you very much.

603
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:49,270
Ladies and gentlemen.

604
00:44:57,930 --> 00:44:58,790
Have a good day to the viewers.

605
00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:59,850
Have a good day to the viewers.

606
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,940
I'm happy to answer everything you want. I think Mr. Moore wants to contribute.

607
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:04,780
I'm sorry, Mr. Moore.

608
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:12,640
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. So in response to Ms. Simon's expression of willingness to work with everybody involved to alleviate any concerns that might be expressed.

609
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:17,040
I think you're amenable to that. You've expressed a general interest to that effect.

610
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:17,580
Yes.

611
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,800
And I think, thank you for all for now on a record.

612
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:22,460
So I would suggest that...

613
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:23,000
Let's bring it on.

614
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:29,980
It's the Elaine Uttarajee, the first internal order to give an opportunity to engage and connect with leadership of the downtown development of the

615
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:31,920
to help alleviate any concerns.

616
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:47,260
I'm making a suggestion about what you have, your cold and hoarding information, you're going to the meeting with the packet of papers, but you refuse to hand them out.

617
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:56,920
You're dropping little crumbs that are super suggestive and rather insulting the way that you're implying people that have been partners for a long time are acting.

618
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,420
It's not appropriate, unless you really have information.

619
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:07,220
A part of your information was that sheet on page 1 of the CVIS report, which is exactly

620
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:13,360
the same as ours on 59 in the CRA, and on page 172 in our own audit.

621
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:18,620
I think that you have something in your mind that's happening that may not be, and I don't

622
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:19,100
love.

623
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,860
I'm the first one who will go after the finances, but I don't love your approach.

624
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:29,560
sending out letters, thousands of letters to residents, demanding they come to an event, and

625
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,500
voice their concern about the village. By the way, if I may, I'm not done. The reason

626
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:40,860
why they always got a one meal was because our city attorney presented to us at the time,

627
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:45,180
the understanding that they were entitled to one meal. Where did you just attend?

628
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:50,940
My Mr. Frank, I wanted to take it away. Mr. Frank, I wanted to take it away and we were told

629
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:57,300
If you let her answer the question you brought you at you brought me to discuss forgive me for interpreting that wait

630
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,480
But Mr. Frank will want it to reduce it.

631
00:47:02,380 --> 00:47:07,060
I've never said that they're entitled to one mill. Maybe that's a bad choice

632
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,840
Right, so they're entitled to up to one mill. We're entitled to up to 10 but what do we do? Do we spend up to 10? No, if we measure what the texture

633
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,340
you with what they're doing. Please produce the documentation because it feels like

634
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:27,300
a lot of money. You didn't go to their meeting over 200 people showed up in

635
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:33,680
support saying, I saw the yellow shirt. You're on the board. You didn't go to

636
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,540
the event. Mayor, can I make a point of order just to clarify the record? So

637
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:42,560
under 411 on the duties of the internal auditor, the internal auditor shall

638
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,380
review. Any matter related to city business upon the request of a majority of the

639
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:52,140
commission or the city manager. So just be clear. What's your leader? I also agree on

640
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:56,940
wishes to do that. He has the ability to direct that. I would agree to it, Mr. Moore.

641
00:47:57,060 --> 00:48:02,520
I think the consensus should be that Mr. our mayor, Mr. Carney produces the documents of

642
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,320
concern to all of us so we can all review them. And we give Ms. So before we give her money,

643
00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:10,480
you don't want to make sure they're spending the money. Not having her money till October.

644
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:13,840
So we have plenty of time for you to put out that. That would be nice.

645
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,060
I have nothing to do with it, I haven't spoken up at all, I just want to make a quick comment.

646
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,680
If Ms. Simon's on board was speaking with our auditor, which you are, right?

647
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,940
So then, can we just agree with that to allow her and me with our auditor?

648
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:28,440
Which is not the judge's anniversary.

649
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:31,260
We just do that move along, where we're just already.

650
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:33,520
I know what your accusations are.

651
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:35,520
Where did we touch the wall?

652
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:43,420
So can I also just make a point of clarity here as the downtown development authority was put in this position.

653
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,440
to run the campus right where we don't have to be here.

654
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:48,840
I agree.

655
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,140
I agree.

656
00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:50,740
I do not have to be here.

657
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,320
We're happy to give the keys back if that's what you guys want.

658
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:55,500
No, you rescued the campus.

659
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:58,280
But you rescued the campus for us.

660
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,160
It's just what happened to you.

661
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,000
It's just that the city doesn't have the ability to run that campus.

662
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:03,840
It's just not.

663
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,920
It's just how wonderful it is.

664
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:06,660
It's just how wonderful.

665
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:07,000
It's just how wonderful.

666
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:09,460
Again, here you are making a fact.

667
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,520
I didn't say that enough.

668
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,760
You just made an excuse.

669
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:21,100
You're making our point of that side to show you how much is being invested in this campus is to show that this

670
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:26,820
campus takes money to run, it takes a lot of money to run for more than we're investing at all.

671
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,920
And I think a lot of people invest money in this town for this campus to be alive.

672
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,620
And we all have to take responsibility and passion for this.

673
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,820
So I appreciate that and we honestly, we don't have to be doing this.

674
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:43,080
Our team has got a lot to focus on and I know that they've given a lot more of what you

675
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,600
see on paper than that they're being paid as a lot.

676
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,320
Blood sweat and tears to this place.

677
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,380
I acknowledge that you don't have to be doing this.

678
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:52,780
Mr. Mayor, thank you.

679
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:57,660
So once again, I'd like to support the professional mayor's for Miss Simon and her team being

680
00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:02,420
able to engage with the city's internal auditor, Yelena Drugio, who's actually standing right

681
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:07,420
behind Miss Laura Simon at this time, ready to make a connection as well as to proceed accordingly.

682
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:13,220
I think that's the cogent structure that approach there's an agreement to proceed in that regard and part of Miss Simon

683
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:19,720
I appreciate Miss Jellin for offering the clarification in terms of what the city managers keep a building in authority is but respect to

684
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:26,280
questions are concerns in this regard. However, I would like for the commission to offer their support as well

685
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:32,220
Which I like to think is fair considering the fact that Miss Simon expressed the interest and willingness to

686
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,800
That's not what I'm talking about

687
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:39,260
for consensus because we need to move.

688
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:40,100
Yes, ma'am.

689
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,160
So I would just like to say that we don't want another old school

690
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,000
square of the art situation here to happen.

691
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,660
So in light of transparency, accountability for everyone,

692
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:55,040
you are agreeing to sit with our auditor.

693
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,220
Let's do that.

694
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,800
And so I'm in favor of that.

695
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,340
All right, we have concerns to say here.

696
00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:59,860
Thank you.

697
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:00,920
So that's that.

698
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Otherwise, the budget process continues.

699
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,660
The recommendations have been made known.

700
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:12,440
And I'll appreciate your willingness, Miss Simon, so Miss Yelena Georgiev be kind and up to engage in connect and you make arrangements accordingly.

701
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,660
Thank you.

702
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:14,840
Thank you.

703
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Thank you, Miss Simon.

704
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:17,140
I think you're welcome.

705
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:35,040
Follow the clarity direction and trajectory regarding downtown parking plan implementation, Miss Yvartletho, you have the stage for the platform or the table or the floor.

706
00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:52,810
Good evening, Mayor of Commissioner Sonsivar Letta, Director of Public Works.

707
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Very happy to be here this evening.

708
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:07,440
To talk to you about follow-up direction from the July meetings presentation on,

709
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:10,640
Look at that too.

710
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:21,610
On the parking.

711
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,760
There we go.

712
00:52:32,830 --> 00:52:36,570
They give me all kinds of tools up here and I can usually get one of them to work.

713
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:49,420
Okay, so in July I gave you a very long and exhausted presentation on implementation of the

714
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:55,620
parking and curbside management plan. Tonight there are a few items of clarity following

715
00:52:55,620 --> 00:53:01,980
the meetings in July where there was not a complete consensus on some of the items.

716
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:25,670
So, what we talked about was, was the various tiers in the performance phase parking plan tier 2 is the side street parking, tier 3 is surface lots and potentially changing the rate structure in the parking garages.

717
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:32,190
we also talked about a establishment of a parking benefits district and a centralized ballet program

718
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:37,830
neither one of those issues are on the agenda tonight. Tonight we're just going to talk

719
00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:39,990
about you're welcome.

720
00:53:43,210 --> 00:53:49,030
We're having a workshop on that next week. I'm kidding everyone.

721
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:52,990
I have a two-hour presentation on that for tomorrow, not fitting.

722
00:53:55,630 --> 00:54:03,530
So, from the initial meeting, we talked about the City Manager by Resolution has the authority

723
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:11,410
to raise the parking rate on side streets from $2 to $3 that met approval from the board.

724
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:20,090
The surface lot, the surface lot metering, generally the board seemed to be in favor of that,

725
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:26,950
but the hold up for giving full favor toward metering the parking lots, depended on finding

726
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:34,370
a solution to employee parking in the downtown area and then by the time we got to the

727
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:37,990
right structure in the garages, we did not come to consensus.

728
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:46,830
So tonight we're only going to talk about the performance-based parking program and the employee parking permit

729
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:59,550
and because the tier 3 parking is dependent on arriving at a viable solution to the employee parking program, we're going to talk about that first.

730
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:13,290
So, the parking and curbside management master plan does, does lay out a recommendation to provide a month a month permit for downtown employee parking.

731
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:25,550
Staff has tentatively offered $15 a month that would be an available online permit just the same as the other parking permits that we have.

732
00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:32,230
you can buy it online or you can buy it at the one parking office that's in the old school

733
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:39,910
square parking garage on the first floor. There are two options for this for this permit. The first

734
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:52,690
one is the one that was already on the table to utilize the top floors of the old school square and

735
00:55:54,190 --> 00:56:01,150
That option has not received a favorable response from the DDA in the past because there's

736
00:56:01,150 --> 00:56:08,270
a very limited number of spaces and it's pretty far away from most of the places where

737
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:09,210
the people work.

738
00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:17,130
So walking back to their cars at 2 o'clock in the morning or 3 o'clock in the morning was problematic

739
00:56:17,130 --> 00:56:18,190
for that.

740
00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:34,330
What staff has proposed for this evening is to have an employee parking permit that is structured similarly to the city resident downtown parking permit

741
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:37,870
where employees can buy the permit for 15 dollars a month.

742
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:45,010
They can park in any available parking space in the downtown area for free other than Atlantic Avenue.

743
00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:53,170
So, only the premium parking would be off limits to them, and we're also, we're going

744
00:56:54,210 --> 00:57:00,210
to recommend opening up both the Orange Grove Lot and the Sandway parking lot on the

745
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:06,190
barrier island later in the evening to provide with additional parking in that area.

746
00:57:08,830 --> 00:57:08,850
Yes.

747
00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:13,530
You're saying they could get a pass the same way we residents get the pass at the garage.

748
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:22,830
The past would would allow them to park in any meter parking in the city, but not on Atlantic Avenue, so any, and that would be for $15 a month.

749
00:57:23,290 --> 00:57:25,410
Yes, they can park in any available parking space.

750
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:36,150
That would, that's, I feel like we're going to lose money in the long run, because if I had a pass, I mean, I'll be down there every night.

751
00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:43,150
I'm not going to be pushing that point. I mean, I think people should pay for their own parking like they do in every other city and we're leaving.

752
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:49,070
We need a program, but I don't see how we can, I don't see how we're going to regulate this.

753
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:55,270
What will people bring to the garage to show their employee how will we know?

754
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:59,130
So they will have to renew their parking pass every month.

755
00:57:59,410 --> 00:58:05,430
Part of that renewal process will be a letter from a downtown employer saying that they are indeed employed.

756
00:58:06,590 --> 00:58:11,170
And those are going to be, I would have a letter tomorrow for myself if I were to leave it again.

757
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:37,310
I'm concerned, Missy, I'm being very honest, I'm being, but I feel like we will just have a bunch, I don't know how this, I don't think this works, no offense, I think you'll have, I would have an employee letter from somewhere somewhere, I would bring it over there, if I were kid, no, not now, and I would get that pass, I would be downtown, right now.

758
00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:46,310
Missy, if you guys modeled this after other programs and other cities, have you, do any sort of data that shows an approach that's worked before it's similar to either of these?

759
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:59,150
We have looked around at other cities. There are very few employee parking programs available out there. We have tried to, everything we can possibly think of.

760
00:58:59,150 --> 00:59:13,850
We have tried and and so far nothing that we've brought forward has has passed approval so I'm sorry. I am I'm at a loss

761
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:24,090
Honestly, I appreciate your effort. Is there a there's a parking board isn't advisory board there used to be we no longer

762
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:28,730
So this is because in the process of being a little more in the last meeting

763
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:50,390
Because I would think that they would be where we would get advice from residents and from the businesses to get from a parking advisory committee on, you know, trying things and not being able to come to it because I don't think you said to it run down, we can get a city pass, but cheaper than that. So why would that be something that city pass you pay, but you.

764
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:51,250
You can't use it.

765
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:51,410
You can use it.

766
00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:52,270
This city path.

767
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:54,510
This city path is actually $12 a year.

768
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:55,630
This is $15 a year.

769
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:57,290
This is $15 a year.

770
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:58,190
They're marking for free.

771
00:59:58,350 --> 00:59:59,970
When I park with my city pass, I'm...

772
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,200
Part 2s how are they parking for free of the 15 to $151?

773
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,740
They're not parking for free. They're not parking for free. They're not parking for free.

774
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:12,760
They can't get $151 a month. It's $100 a year.

775
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:14,000
They're a family party.

776
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:16,880
They're only worth $2. That's $8.

777
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,660
As you recall, when I was $5, and I paid $12 a year.

778
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:29,980
As you recall, my idea was to have the meter be to parking because in my opinion, I do understand the importance of patrons to restaurants and shops in every street.

779
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:33,460
everything, but all of these businesses downtown don't have parking

780
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:40,580
requirements and they, in this special little area here, and I really

781
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:46,160
believe that it's up to the restaurants and the stores to make sure

782
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,460
that they're, that to pay for their employees parking as they do

783
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:54,680
everywhere else. And we keep trying to say, you know, the rest of the

784
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,160
restaurants saying, we can't get people alive. We'll tell you in

785
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,200
from a tone, you know, they did provide in their garage and free parking that was pointed

786
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,600
out and I actually checked it and it's correct. But on all their surface slots, all

787
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:12,100
their surface slots, if employees park there, they put in a reimbursement to the restaurant

788
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:17,320
and they get paid back. That's part of their part of the deal and so that the city can generate

789
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:25,420
the revenues. And that was my proposal, nobody liked it, but my proposal is that everybody,

790
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:29,820
It's a user fee. People that pay people that use the parking lot should pay for the parking lot.

791
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,380
Someone's got to pay to have a striped. Someone's got to pay to make sure that there's the patrols there.

792
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,580
Someone's got to pay for all that. And it should be the people using it.

793
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,840
I think that having a program for employees is a good idea.

794
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:55,180
How it gets monitored is a separate issue, but whether or not 15 to 15 dollars is very, very generous.

795
01:01:55,180 --> 01:02:05,280
15 dollars a month, 15 dollars a month, but a hundred eight dollars a year is still very generous in a spot that that spot could earn that in a day

796
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:14,720
So we're giving up that daily for someone else to part there for 30 days and I think that that's not fair to the rest of the residents who don't do that

797
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:20,380
And who yet we go to when we need a village change because we have a union problem we have a this problem or a road problem

798
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:24,280
We just go to the taxpayers when we're not maximizing our own assets

799
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:33,900
Like everybody else. So I'm more concerned about the actual rollout execution of the program than I am about losing money on it

800
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:41,060
That's the point I'd like to hear more about Missy if you don't mind you you and your team of Doug into this and this is these are solutions you came up with

801
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:52,000
Now, do you think from your opinion based on you know the work you've done that this is going to be possible to actually monitor this because my colleagues raised some real issues here

802
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,980
like how do we enforce this?

803
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:56,300
How do we make sure that someone this in an employee

804
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:58,880
is a real employee when they're getting one of these permits?

805
01:02:59,860 --> 01:03:03,640
So they will be required just like we require city residents

806
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,200
to provide proof of residents within the city boundary

807
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,680
so that residents in West Del Rey,

808
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:12,960
even though they have a Del Rey beach address,

809
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,140
they are not entitled to the city resident discount

810
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,100
on parking, so they have to live within the boundary.

811
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:28,440
Just very similarly to that, we will require them to provide proof of employment, whether that be a letter or whether...

812
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,940
W9 or 1099 or something like that, maybe.

813
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:31,580
So thank you.

814
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,100
Whether, I mean, I don't...

815
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:40,960
We can double-check with the employer on the letter to make sure those people are indeed employed.

816
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:53,760
we can require it to have that delay and verification time so that we can double check

817
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,620
with the employer and make sure that that person is indeed employed. Their permit will

818
01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:05,460
be just like all the other parking permits that will be tied to a license plate for a

819
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:12,000
particular car so they can't, you know, they can't share with, you know, it's not something

820
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,340
that they can hand someone else and say, hey, throw this on your dashboard,

821
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,220
if we will

822
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:24,880
do our level best, am I going to guarantee that there won't be any cheating?

823
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:25,780
Nope.

824
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:26,380
That's right.

825
01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:34,060
I think that cheating happens, but we can do our level best to patrol that and make sure

826
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:36,820
it's as minimal as possible.

827
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:38,940
Why don't you finish your presentation?

828
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,560
We've interrupted you.

829
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,960
Well, really, this is where I was going to pause

830
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,380
and I have this-

831
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:45,680
I don't want you to-

832
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,840
This is a question-

833
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:46,920
It's a question-

834
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,260
It's a question-

835
01:04:48,260 --> 01:04:51,620
But I didn't want to address

836
01:04:51,620 --> 01:04:53,840
that Pewdiepie's Mayor Burns' statement

837
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,740
that we really need to go back and talk to the public.

838
01:04:57,060 --> 01:05:00,580
We have talked to the public so much on this topic.

839
01:05:00,580 --> 01:05:09,580
And this is probably the fourth iteration of an employee parking program that we've brought forward.

840
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:20,200
So far, there has not been any interest in actually buying the permit.

841
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:27,460
We offered initially, we offered a permit where we had a special trolley that ran at night

842
01:05:27,460 --> 01:05:34,180
and the employer actually bought the parking permits and handed them out to their employees

843
01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:40,140
and the trolley would drive them back in the middle of the night directly to their parking space

844
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:46,980
and that sold zero permits. So we've tried so many things.

845
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:53,500
Does your plan, and I know you're not finished with your presentation, does it include

846
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:58,760
the parking garage is having pre-parking after 4 p.m.

847
01:06:01,580 --> 01:06:06,480
If you approve the employee parking permit program tonight,

848
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:12,060
then they can park in any available paid parking space or free parking space.

849
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,180
They don't have to pick a paid parking space,

850
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,500
but they can pick any available paid parking space

851
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,000
and park there for the duration.

852
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,060
Before the free parking spaces.

853
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:36,360
There are, there are, there are, there are time limited spaces on the side streets, there are just the only paid spaces are one block north and south of Atlantic and there are plenty of

854
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,960
Ask the natives that go down in the evening.

855
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:44,440
I don't want to give away all the secrets, so there are places.

856
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:46,820
Mayor, may I ask a question?

857
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,260
Would you tell us later, though, just a second?

858
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:54,940
you know. You know where they are. If I, so I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So what I'm saying is when I

859
01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:58,320
said freight meaning, there's no meter charge. Once you hit the meter, you enter your number

860
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:04,260
and as you would, your pass is registered. It's a $15 month charge. But what about the limited

861
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:08,520
lots where you can only be there so many hours? What happens to the individuals who stays in

862
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,600
those in extended time? So there won't be time limits associated with it either. Otherwise,

863
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:18,420
they're going to have to leave halfway through their shift and move their car. The problem is,

864
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:40,600
But though, Missy, and I had a gentleman approach me from my neighborhood as property down in Pineapple Grove, they can't find places to park, so even with this, I don't know, I mean, I suppose if you're coming to work during the day, this is a great incentive, but if you're coming in the evening, it doesn't necessarily help.

865
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:48,740
I mean, I like it better than I mean, because they can still use the lots that we now call free lots, they'll just be made or then they can pull in there.

866
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:50,340
They can really go.

867
01:07:51,140 --> 01:08:07,640
I would say that what the industry standards would answer how they would answer that is that if the tiered parking, if it is paid parking, there should be more spaces available for them to park in,

868
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,220
than it would be a free time-limited parking

869
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,480
as our surface lots are now.

870
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:14,940
Our surface lots are the first to fill up

871
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:19,080
because it's free and they have nine hour time limits.

872
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,140
That's what the study, you had that study done

873
01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:24,260
that you presented six months ago.

874
01:08:24,540 --> 01:08:26,360
Can we just put a little thought into this?

875
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:27,580
Do we have to decide this evening?

876
01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:30,420
I just want to, I think, I don't know.

877
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,600
I want to do a little looking, all right.

878
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,200
We consider like a pilot program version of this,

879
01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:36,800
so we can actually see how it's rolled out in real life,

880
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,180
We're not going to know until we sort of try some version of this frankly we're not going to how many people actually sign up for it

881
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:45,920
We're not going to know if you're able to implement it based on all these different variables

882
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:53,440
I'd be open to trying some version of it for a limited time and then coming back to it and see how how it worked and how we can potentially tweak it

883
01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:00,020
Is that like an option of that be something we'd be amenable to up here because like you said how many times have we talked about this?

884
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:02,000
I don't want to kick the candy on the road anymore

885
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,580
three years. You're right. Like forever. Well, this is three out of four of me, because

886
01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:10,320
last two months. I know, I'm sorry, Missy, and I'm really busy with the finish

887
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,640
two. I mean, the old school square, they're Irish. When we had next time, by the time

888
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,880
we decided to be like three more parking garages in Delray. That's just, that's another

889
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,080
time. I let's have, that's up to discuss. I mean, I'm getting more parking garages. The

890
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,660
one thing, Missy, that I know we, you know, I've talked about this. I heard loud and clear

891
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:30,240
from all the meetings, and I've been to way too many on parking.

892
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:36,060
I do feel for the restaurants and the bars that have, you know, workers that don't make

893
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:40,960
a lot of money, and most of them don't live in our city, and they come into our town to

894
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,700
work as servers and bus boys and cooks and other low-paying jobs.

895
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,380
I've heard the restaurants and the bars over and over again, say, look, we really need

896
01:09:50,380 --> 01:09:53,080
to find a place for them to park, and it really needs to be free.

897
01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:55,600
So, I know we're talking about a compromise plan here.

898
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:12,460
But I'm empathetic to what I've heard as a former market researcher, the bars in the restaurants are all in unison that these are people that we have to attract to keep our restaurants in bars opening and if we don't provide them with parking spaces, they're going to go work in the suburbs.

899
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:13,820
We don't want that.

900
01:10:14,620 --> 01:10:17,100
So I know we're talking about compromise here, maybe $15 a day.

901
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:26,060
I think I'm kind of a Julian that maybe we should run that by a few of the restaurants and the bars just to see if that's an acceptable alternative

902
01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:30,100
I also am an agreement with what Rob is saying, Commissioner Long sorry.

903
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:39,520
Maybe we should pilot something and do it for six months and see if we got it right and if we did grade and if we didn't well then we can redo it.

904
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,420
If you do six, I won't be here. So it's not my problem anymore.

905
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:46,920
Perfect. Oh no, no, no, we can blame you because you don't be here.

906
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:48,720
But you're a good man. Let's do forget.

907
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:54,980
Yeah, but would you, but would you consider also that in in in trying to do this?

908
01:10:55,380 --> 01:10:59,780
That don't do you think the restaurants have any responsibility to provide parking for

909
01:10:59,780 --> 01:11:02,520
there's. They do but I'll tell you what they told me.

910
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:06,520
It's going to be reflected in your in your menu process.

911
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:12,100
Somebody's got paperwork. No, but that was our fault for not. I don't know if you look at the many prices recently down there

912
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,280
I don't know if you're the one $80.

913
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:20,600
They're pretty high, but you know, I've owned bars and restaurants. I know we're the ones saying that I'm just I just pointed to what they did in Booker

914
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:27,120
There would have had this exact same complaints in Booker account and you know those restaurants are all full those restaurants

915
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:34,020
And they're making a heck of a lot of money off there off there off their paper parking program and you know

916
01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:39,620
I will say that the problem with restaurants keeping personnel is not a delirate problem.

917
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:48,980
I mean it's an industry problem so I think I obviously understand the thing which is why I'm saying if we're going to have a compromise,

918
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:59,120
I mean I want to them to pay or have the GDA pay for all the employee parking and that would be fine too.

919
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:02,000
If they care about people going down town and supporting restaurants.

920
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:16,140
So ladies and gentlemen, I would like to have some sense of consensus because again, there's been numerous discussions about this.

921
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,140
We've also clarified what the administrative abilities are and are not as a relates to

922
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,200
parking plan implementation features.

923
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:28,040
We are proceeding in that regard as misrelevel communicated in her early part of the presentation.

924
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:42,460
So, a couple of you all, as I recall, maybe even several of you all talk, seems to support the observation of a test case program so that we can bring back appropriate data with that be an appropriate approach so that we can have some sense of direction.

925
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:49,820
How about a three-month pilot where we try both options? Is that possible? Can we do both concurrently or is it like one or the other?

926
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:51,720
What's your, how does it, is there a set of people?

927
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,600
To be one or the other, just to cut down on confusion.

928
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,320
Which would you suggest is the more viable option?

929
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,800
I believe that downtown parking permit is the only

930
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,240
actually viable option, simply because of the limited amount of

931
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,940
spaces available in the garage.

932
01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:09,740
Even though the garage is underutilized right now,

933
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,400
we don't have a trolley system.

934
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:16,500
We don't have the, we would have to add free

935
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:22,600
be into much later at night than what it is currently offered in order to get people safely

936
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:27,540
back to their cars and if we don't do that then that's going to be the objection.

937
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,020
That case on the rich, I understand.

938
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:33,120
I agree with Commissioner Long and Commissioner Morgan, I think I'd rather get started and

939
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,420
listen and say to kick it down the road again, at least get something or to get started.

940
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,640
And as it doesn't work we'll obviously have ample time to address this issue again.

941
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:46,240
Okay, so what I'm hearing is that we want to do a three month pilot project.

942
01:13:47,340 --> 01:13:50,340
What do we want to charge if anything?

943
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,260
Three months five, I mean,

944
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,920
Doctor shouldn't we try to have a pilot program

945
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,400
like three months takes us to,

946
01:13:56,420 --> 01:13:58,520
I would say it's like a be here whenever it comes back.

947
01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:59,740
Okay, well, we'll invite you back.

948
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:01,240
Yeah, I'll just come sit out.

949
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:03,220
But I think three months is really not a, I mean,

950
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,660
I mean, six months is kind of really a picture.

951
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:08,340
It's enough time.

952
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:08,640
Yeah.

953
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,040
To really see how it goes because you're going to get into season,

954
01:14:11,180 --> 01:14:12,040
you're going to have the summer,

955
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:13,020
and then you're going to have a season,

956
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,600
and you're going to see how it all plays out.

957
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,700
3-1 update and then a 6-1.

958
01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:19,400
Yeah, you can update it in 3-1.

959
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,680
So if we proceeded with a 6-1, this round can participate in the update.

960
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,340
So if we were to proceed with a 6-1 pilot program set of effects,

961
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,240
so I will suggest beginning early September.

962
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,020
So Tuesday September 2nd roughly.

963
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,560
So that will take us until March.

964
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,600
That's coming up in the next couple of weeks.

965
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:37,320
You a little bit of time, that's a little bit ambitious.

966
01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:38,680
I apologize October.

967
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:40,520
October 1st.

968
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:42,080
That would be Wednesday October 1st.

969
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:43,840
They give us several weeks in which to prepare.

970
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:49,420
So, between October 1st, 2025 and let's say April of 2022.

971
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:54,220
So, in April 2022, we'll come back before the City Commission, or for you all the update

972
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:54,680
reports.

973
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,840
Perhaps we can offer a three month update circuit January in terms of progress thus far.

974
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,720
That's the beginning of our fiscal year. Works fine. It's good day. Yeah, they're on.

975
01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:10,060
Can I suggest starting out with a lower rate? I don't even know if I'm like embracing this to be honest with you.

976
01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:14,820
I appreciate, again, Missy. I know you've worked tirelessly to try and bring us options.

977
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:25,940
I'm not, I know we can sit up here and say $15 is to, you know, drink set. It's Starbucks, but for some of these kids, we're aiming at a one hour salary.

978
01:15:25,940 --> 01:15:30,760
Yes, where I aimed at so I'm just

979
01:15:33,740 --> 01:15:37,260
how bad if we try ten dollars a month to begin with

980
01:15:38,780 --> 01:15:44,920
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's based in the space of generally $50 a day. You didn't want to do I mean come on there 1499

981
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:46,520
Do I hear

982
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:54,950
I can't I can't I can't multiply that fast without a number of hours. I'm sorry

983
01:15:54,950 --> 01:16:00,050
I mean I can take my I know but they're going from paying nothing to another paying 15 dollars a month a lot

984
01:16:00,050 --> 01:16:06,010
go down on the avenue see who's working in these restaurants 15 dollars a month is

985
01:16:06,010 --> 01:16:13,270
one hour paid over a 30 day period and you're really saying that they

986
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:19,570
I mean we really 15 dollars a month so to so does the city they have taxes

987
01:16:19,570 --> 01:16:23,410
they're paying they have to strike the stuff they have to they're a city we have to

988
01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:28,790
ensure the lots we got cost to given that we're talking about a pilot though we

989
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:34,210
want people to sign up so we can test it out maybe starting out at a lower rate makes sense

990
01:16:34,210 --> 01:16:36,790
and then if you get buy in you raise it after six months.

991
01:16:38,690 --> 01:16:39,930
I don't know if you can do it.

992
01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:42,270
I don't know if you can do it.

993
01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:45,390
Right now it's better than free so fine.

994
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:47,730
It doesn't really matter if it's for six months.

995
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:48,510
It's just a test.

996
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:51,990
Okay, so you're going to try it out for ten dollars or whatever it is.

997
01:16:52,670 --> 01:16:54,110
Okay, we have consensus.

998
01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:56,090
Six month pilot program.

999
01:16:56,090 --> 01:17:00,670
For the employee parking permit, Commissioner Solomon says,

1000
01:17:00,690 --> 01:17:02,370
split the baby at 12.50.

1001
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:04,550
No, no, he doesn't.

1002
01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:05,670
Yeah, I'm for 12.50.

1003
01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:06,630
Well, 50 a month.

1004
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:09,470
Come on, the park, down to us, but the baby.

1005
01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:09,810
Really?

1006
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:11,130
We're fighting about this.

1007
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:14,050
For kids working and young adults working.

1008
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:16,090
I understand their kids and young adults working.

1009
01:17:16,530 --> 01:17:19,110
You know, I'm not here yelling about how everything's expensive.

1010
01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:22,450
Well, I'm talking about the park downtown.

1011
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:24,850
And this is like a custom to pay.

1012
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:27,030
It's a customary.

1013
01:17:27,730 --> 01:17:29,750
A dollar value, please, so that we can move forward.

1014
01:17:29,850 --> 01:17:30,950
So, I appreciate the consensus.

1015
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:32,170
Six-month pilot program.

1016
01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:33,390
On the 10.

1017
01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:34,270
On the 10.

1018
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:35,570
10 it is.

1019
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:36,650
10 dollars it is.

1020
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:37,590
Thank you very much.

1021
01:17:37,810 --> 01:17:38,310
Get it started.

1022
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,820
Get it started.

1023
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:43,360
10 bucks.

1024
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:44,160
What then?

1025
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:45,660
And life is a big bit.

1026
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:46,940
A board.

1027
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:47,880
Oh God.

1028
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:49,100
Be careful with it.

1029
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:49,340
Oh.

1030
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:50,880
Be careful with it.

1031
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,240
Okay, so.

1032
01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:55,340
Now we're going to talk about surface-class prices.

1033
01:17:55,340 --> 01:18:01,700
Okay, so I want to remind you all what our current parking program is on Atlantic Avenue.

1034
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,160
It's four dollars an hour.

1035
01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:10,940
The second tier parking, the side streets is two dollars an hour.

1036
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,560
Commission is already approved.

1037
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,260
Moving that to three dollars an hour.

1038
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,700
The third tier parking is the surface lots.

1039
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:22,180
Right now it's free with time limits.

1040
01:18:22,180 --> 01:18:28,880
nine hours in most of the lots and then we have the periphery parking

1041
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:36,900
parking garages which is free until 4 p.m. and a flat five dollar rate after 4 p.m.

1042
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:43,460
What we proposed last month was to leave our premier parking rates alone at

1043
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:52,160
$4 an hour to move this second tier parking to $3 an hour we have a

1044
01:18:52,160 --> 01:19:00,360
the surface lots in charge $2 an hour with a 4 hour time limit for people paying at the

1045
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:08,200
meter, but not necessarily for permit parkers, and then changing the rate structure

1046
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:15,780
at the parking garages to a $1.50 an hour 24 hours. This does a couple of things for us,

1047
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:21,400
and one of the things that does is limit the amount of people who are parking overnight

1048
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,960
our parking garages in using that as shelter.

1049
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,400
So what I did not have to share with you prior

1050
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:38,140
was revenue projections that are associated with the changing in the performance-based

1051
01:19:39,340 --> 01:19:48,680
parking program. So if we were to do the changes that we suggested, including moving

1052
01:19:48,680 --> 01:20:03,460
the parking garages to $1.50 an hour that actually brings in 1.5 million dollars of additional revenue into the city, which brings our total revenue for our parking program to just over $8 million.

1053
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:18,740
The side-streak parking that literally impacts 150,000 transactions annually, which means that there's still capacity on the side-streets to park.

1054
01:20:18,740 --> 01:20:27,520
So, the tier 3 changes at the surface parking lots, that will increase the revenue for

1055
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:36,140
to the city by about $364,000 annually, and that's based on an average ticket price

1056
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:39,320
of $4 and two turns per day.

1057
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:44,620
Two turns means that two different people will park in the same space during a single day.

1058
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:50,820
that would be two different people parking there for two hours each. So just running through

1059
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:58,380
the lots the railroad lot has by far the largest amount of spaces at 162 spaces. The current

1060
01:20:58,380 --> 01:21:08,220
occupancy rate at that parking lot is only 57%. Gladiol a lot has 74 spaces with a 30%

1061
01:21:08,220 --> 01:21:14,440
occupancy rate. So it's full during particular times of the day empty a lot of the rest of the day.

1062
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:35,800
Village law has 40 spaces in a 44% occupancy rate and the Veterans Park law has 79 spaces but right now the average occupancy rate is only 50% because a good deal of that parking lot is being affected by an adjacent construction project.

1063
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,400
So, not all of those spaces are utilized on a daily basis.

1064
01:21:43,620 --> 01:21:46,640
The periphery parking garages,

1065
01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:52,680
changing that rate structure to $1.50 an hour,

1066
01:21:53,300 --> 01:22:00,000
actually brings in about $390,000 of additional revenue to the city per year,

1067
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:08,660
also based on two turns on each parking space but what's interesting about changing this

1068
01:22:08,660 --> 01:22:14,040
rate structure is right now everybody comparks in the parking garage after 5 p.m.

1069
01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:21,880
pays a flat $5 fee. The average ticket price for parking in the garage at $1.50 an hour lowers

1070
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:29,880
the average ticket to $3 per person parking in the parking garage so actually what will come

1071
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:36,280
out of an individual's pocket would be less, and we would also see increased revenue.

1072
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:48,700
So just a reminder, our goal before we start having to add additional parking areas in

1073
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:54,200
the city is that our total parking occupancy gets up to 85%.

1074
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,800
We have the ability to adjust the rates and hours as needed.

1075
01:22:58,340 --> 01:23:03,500
We monitor the occupancy rates constantly, and we can bring those rate adjustments.

1076
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:11,670
estimates back to commission as needed and that is the end of the presentation.

1077
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,300
Do we have any more questions?

1078
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:21,080
I think we have kind of exhausted it.

1079
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:24,300
We did and ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate the direction to proceed forward.

1080
01:23:24,660 --> 01:23:25,700
Again, much of it is administrative.

1081
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,000
Over your policy guidance relative to the six month pilot program is valuable.

1082
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,480
So thank you very much and we proceed with all of you.

1083
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:46,360
And based on the six based on the employee pilot program, we will be moving forward in the beginning of the year with metering the surface lots.

1084
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:57,440
That will probably not happen until November because we need to order the meters at the beginning of next fiscal year.

1085
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:06,860
It's hope this keeps us orderly in the parking lot and we have consensus on changing the parking rate structure at the parking garage is to a dollar fifty

1086
01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:08,500
Yes, we do have consensus

1087
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:10,020
That's what we do

1088
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,340
Thank you very much great work miss you

1089
01:24:13,340 --> 01:24:15,420
Thank you

1090
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:16,180
We have

1091
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:29,710
to be here. We're gonna have to be with all the support. We're gonna have to hand out play bills here. So people can you know follow along with dialogue

1092
01:24:30,990 --> 01:24:31,470
Anyway

1093
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:38,740
So Mr. Mayor we're now in the city manager items. Yes, we are

1094
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,120
So, I have one.

1095
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,500
Mr. Linn, can you have comments for a couple minutes?

1096
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:47,920
No.

1097
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,700
Maulie item is decided, and we'll be brief about this, and this is being added for today's

1098
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:57,820
discussion simply because I did have a dialogue with a couple of you all regarding the

1099
01:24:57,820 --> 01:25:02,900
existence of the West Atlantic neighborhood improvement district, how authorities are involved

1100
01:25:02,900 --> 01:25:07,980
in a review process in terms of performance activities, et cetera, and a principle basis

1101
01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:13,480
for this update is to remind the commission that this actually does exist as a league

1102
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:17,920
entity. So for that reason working closely with leadership of the Department of

1103
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:21,420
Neighborhood and Community Services we thought to be a proper to offer

1104
01:25:21,420 --> 01:25:25,780
pre-fut data in terms of what this looks like, why we are, where we are, and

1105
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:29,980
potential direction moving forward. Ms. Prior if you would please.

1106
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:34,860
Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor, Commissioner, City Manager, City Attorney. Thank you

1107
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:38,340
everybody for hanging out with me for a few minutes. I won't take too much of your time.

1108
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,460
I'm Jerry Pire on the Director of Neighborhood and Community Services. So the

1109
01:25:43,460 --> 01:25:49,140
improvement district was created in October of 1988. It's been in the

1110
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:55,440
ordinances since 1988. The purpose was to be able to apply for

1111
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:58,400
grant money. This is a special taxing district that's under our

1112
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:04,180
ordinance to participate with the Florida Department of Commerce to use the

1113
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:08,840
revenues generated from this authority to get grant money to do community

1114
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,160
in the redevelopment. So here's the footprint that's in the

1115
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:17,840
ordinance. It's a 236 acre footprint. It is I-95 East, just

1116
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,760
Winston Avenue, Southwest Second Street, north to Southwest

1117
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,640
Second Street. So you can see it's a big rectangle in the

1118
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:33,440
downtown area. So shortly after my employment here started in

1119
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:36,680
January, the first phone call I got was from an auditor from

1120
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:42,000
Maldon and Jenkins who was hired by the state to audit all the special taxing districts.

1121
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:53,220
And he audited through October 21 to April of 25 and there's been no activity in this program for years.

1122
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:59,460
There is no revenue collected, there's no programming, there's nothing in this program.

1123
01:26:59,460 --> 01:27:09,000
So, recommendations from the audit, from the auditor, is what's the statutory purpose of our ordinance?

1124
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:17,180
And it's generated from approved community districts or improved districts in the community and address the needs of the community served by the district.

1125
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:26,000
The recommendation is, do we keep this in the current form with nothing or do we introduce programs

1126
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:31,440
and activities I.E. activate this area and then what does that look like?

1127
01:27:32,060 --> 01:27:37,400
The biggest thing that I want to portray here is, as you can see, there's overlap.

1128
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:43,560
There's overlap on CRA and there's overlap on DDA and then those are special taxing districts

1129
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:51,420
as well. And so, as we're talking about, do we activate or do we dissolve this North, the

1130
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:57,260
West Atlantic district? That's a consideration. If we activate, then we have to consider

1131
01:27:57,260 --> 01:28:03,860
the overlap on the other taxing districts. The second recommendation is if the city decides to

1132
01:28:03,860 --> 01:28:09,560
move forward to activating this district, you have to develop a strategic plan. Clearly, and we

1133
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:16,020
to decide through the community and community input is to what are we going to do if we do

1134
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:20,920
as special taxing or special assessment through the ad below or I mean I'll get to that side

1135
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:26,700
is that what do we do with the funding and how isn't going to be spent in this district and of

1136
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:33,340
course that's all community input you as the board of directors of this West Atlantic neighborhood

1137
01:28:33,340 --> 01:28:38,500
improvement district you would be required under the ordinance that if you activated then you will

1138
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:46,120
to appoint a committee or board, an advisory board, no less than five members of the community

1139
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:52,740
and representative of the folks who live or in businesses in the district. So, as you're thinking

1140
01:28:52,740 --> 01:28:57,260
about these things, if we activate or if that's what we're going to do move them forward, that's

1141
01:28:57,260 --> 01:29:02,880
going to be one of the first things that is going to be required is to activate an advisory board.

1142
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:07,960
And then here's a couple of the other recommendations, of course, included in our financial

1143
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:14,340
to report and then put everything on a web page so it's transparent to the public as Florida

1144
01:29:14,340 --> 01:29:20,060
statute. So, where's the funding? So, it's under the code of ordinances, it's through

1145
01:29:20,060 --> 01:29:28,040
Advalorum of a tax-living up to two mills or special assessment for any real or personal property

1146
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:34,100
within its boundaries. And then the district would be authorized to apply for and receive grants

1147
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:37,620
through the Florida Department of Economic Opportunities

1148
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:40,160
and the Department of Commerce, what it used to be.

1149
01:29:40,580 --> 01:29:43,220
So in a nutshell, that's what I'm asking for you all.

1150
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:47,360
You have the backup in here in your commission agenda item.

1151
01:29:48,020 --> 01:29:49,620
Is what are your recommendations

1152
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:51,140
and what are your thoughts and feelings

1153
01:29:51,140 --> 01:29:53,080
about maybe exploring?

1154
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,780
Do we want to activate this district?

1155
01:29:57,340 --> 01:29:59,860
Keep in mind, it was set up for,

1156
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,020
In the event of CRA dollars, we're no longer available, or if there was no other revenue available, this district

1157
01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:12,860
was set up to help the community within those boundaries. So my question and through city manager

1158
01:30:12,860 --> 01:30:22,120
and through Jeff Ours is, where do we go from here? Because the state is asking us the city to let them know

1159
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:23,800
what we're going to do moving forward.

1160
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:30,800
And if I may contribute Ms. Prior, we are not in position or at liberty to give an immediate answer today.

1161
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:38,100
However, at some point soon enough, we do have to respond to the state of Florida to the point that Ms. Prior just offered relative to the continuation

1162
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:53,760
thereof or some other direction pertinent. So we thought it was appropriate that we get together with you all as soon as possible.

1163
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,620
answer from the city commission with respect to what our response to the state of Florida shall be.

1164
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:04,260
However, there will be a requirement that we offer enough state to the state of Florida as to the

1165
01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:05,440
path for it or no.

1166
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,260
So, do you want any thoughts from us now?

1167
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:10,620
I have a question.

1168
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,360
What is a timeline for responding to the state?

1169
01:31:13,940 --> 01:31:15,320
So I believe we have.

1170
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:23,160
So in the audit response, I'd ask the auditor if we can have 60 to 120 days from to allow

1171
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:28,280
from the date of the audit which would have been in July so that would give us the

1172
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:33,240
end of the end of November yeah and they're pretty amenable they're very very kind

1173
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:38,060
so if I needed to call to have an extension as long as we put that writing and is working

1174
01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:41,560
towards a resolution then I think they would be okay with that.

1175
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,000
Okay, can we check us all in the comments?

1176
01:31:44,020 --> 01:31:45,440
No, I'm not done.

1177
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:49,080
Yeah.

1178
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:04,420
I don't think we should make any decisions about this until we can get the community input.

1179
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:09,320
And especially considering the area that this is supposed to serve,

1180
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:16,780
How soon can you set up community meetings so that we can have some input prior to this this timeline?

1181
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,660
So upon consensus being offered by the Commission to that effect, we can proceed within the next few weeks.

1182
01:32:21,860 --> 01:32:27,680
So today is August 19th. So perhaps by a month or so from now we can engage a community visit

1183
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,540
No later than a early part of October.

1184
01:32:30,340 --> 01:32:38,940
Offer a presentation to the city commission and the aftermath of something to that effect and that will enable your consideration process accordingly.

1185
01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:45,660
I would actually encourage probably the beginning of the new fiscal year this fair enough so early October

1186
01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:47,280
So this plenty of time

1187
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:55,700
To help respond to both the commission as well as the state of Florida. Thank you. You're welcome. I would probably say just knowing what I know now

1188
01:32:55,700 --> 01:33:02,720
That we should not continue. It's just going to require a lot more resources in what have you. It was was implemented

1189
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:08,320
because we were thinking that the area was going to go away. Now we know at least we have the

1190
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:15,200
CRA to appear at a time. I think look we hope by the time the CRA is sundown I think we'll

1191
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:22,220
have done our job and those who serve beyond us in terms of getting rid of the slump and blight

1192
01:33:22,220 --> 01:33:28,700
and addressing the issues with the development of the West Atlantic. So I'm concerned about

1193
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:35,720
If this is going to create a scenario that we are using resources and we would be duplicating

1194
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:41,180
the efforts of the CRA and the process I don't know that we should continue on.

1195
01:33:41,260 --> 01:33:41,660
Thank you.

1196
01:33:41,660 --> 01:33:42,700
Do you want to share a little?

1197
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:46,600
Yeah, if this was created, it's kind of a backup.

1198
01:33:47,260 --> 01:33:56,900
In case we lose the ability to fund our CRA to be functional, I think now it might be more needed than ever

1199
01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:58,640
because I don't think we're out of the woods

1200
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,460
in terms of threats to our CRA.

1201
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,800
You know, we whistled past the graveyard, this session,

1202
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:08,460
with that bill, that the threat and to more or less

1203
01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,600
dismantling, and there were different iterations of it

1204
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,200
that were less intense, but we don't know

1205
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:13,400
what's going to come back next session.

1206
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,700
So until we're out of the woods with that,

1207
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:19,320
I'd be inclined to keep this in place,

1208
01:34:19,580 --> 01:34:22,140
so we have it as a sort of a backstop,

1209
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,800
but if we get to a point where it bill does pass,

1210
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,820
regarding CRA's next session, and it's what we're safe,

1211
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:33,340
then I would certainly be on board with discussing,

1212
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,440
sort of dissolving this, if it's unneeded.

1213
01:34:36,820 --> 01:34:37,680
Commissioner Marker.

1214
01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:40,440
Well, I think this is another one of these big issues

1215
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:41,660
that our community is facing,

1216
01:34:41,820 --> 01:34:44,200
and I don't think we should take our feet off the gas on this one.

1217
01:34:44,220 --> 01:34:46,520
I think we should plow forward and try to come up

1218
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,540
with a plan that's acceptable to your point.

1219
01:34:50,620 --> 01:34:52,360
We don't know what's going to happen in the future,

1220
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:53,100
we don't know.

1221
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:57,140
But this has been on the docket for a very, very long time,

1222
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:57,720
hasn't gone away.

1223
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:58,420
It's not going away.

1224
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,080
So I think we need to get some resources behind it.

1225
01:35:02,260 --> 01:35:05,160
Huddle, come up with a plan and have something

1226
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:06,080
that we can show.

1227
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:11,480
I think that having, are you finished?

1228
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:12,540
Yes, sir.

1229
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:17,800
I think having a statutory enabled district is something

1230
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,480
we don't should not give up lightly.

1231
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:20,260
All right?

1232
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,320
It's hard to get.

1233
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:25,880
And whether it was related to the Sierra or not, you know, the DDA did a great job in developing

1234
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:26,460
downtown.

1235
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:33,260
And this, I view this really as kind of like what they did for West Atlantic.

1236
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:38,680
And I think it was long overdue to have an agency that's with some ability to raise some

1237
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:45,600
cash to redevelop that portion of Del Rey Beach that will be their sole focus.

1238
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,700
And I think that it's an opportunity.

1239
01:35:48,700 --> 01:36:00,880
And I've often thought that maybe you split the DDA over to this side and maybe use this as the west of Swinton to be the taxing district because they would say are so focused would not be downtown.

1240
01:36:01,220 --> 01:36:04,760
They're so focused with the redevelopment of this.

1241
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,620
And as we develop properties along there in the 600 700 700 800 block this can be revenues.

1242
01:36:09,980 --> 01:36:12,980
And I think that there is a way to create a vibrancy on west Atlantic.

1243
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:15,060
I don't think we should give this up.

1244
01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:23,620
I mean, I'm hoping we can actually try to figure out a way to use it and try to help with that redevelopment.

1245
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:28,960
Regardless of whether the CRA stays in business or not, I think that there's two separate functions,

1246
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,900
because this function could also be after it's there.

1247
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:39,180
It's not the slamming bite, but also to help keep with the redevelopment and bring exciting stuff to this neighborhood.

1248
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:45,280
And that's why I don't want to give up our special special taxes with that easily, it's not that easy to get.

1249
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,960
So I think we want to at least see where we are and see whether or not we can fashion something and put together some kind of a board to say,

1250
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:56,940
what can we do here, what are your ideas and get community engagement on how they want that neighborhood to look.

1251
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:02,300
And that's with some cash behind them because of the taxing capability.

1252
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:08,580
And I can tell you I'm spoken to quite a few folks already about this that are impacted in this district.

1253
01:37:08,580 --> 01:37:10,300
they live here, they have businesses,

1254
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:13,740
and they're overwhelmingly in support of this.

1255
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:14,900
I was that they are.

1256
01:37:14,900 --> 01:37:16,780
And I have 100% behind that.

1257
01:37:16,980 --> 01:37:17,180
Absolutely.

1258
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,940
Can I also say, I was going to talk to you about this later on,

1259
01:37:21,220 --> 01:37:22,220
but open to the public is fine.

1260
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,300
I talked to Renee Jadis saying this afternoon,

1261
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,720
who's the executive director of the CRA,

1262
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,860
and I went to the meeting at the library last night,

1263
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:31,360
and that there's a lot of really good input

1264
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,720
in terms of ideas for West Atlantic.

1265
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,160
Maybe I'm coming out this from the corporate side again,

1266
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:42,540
I apologize, that's my background, but one of the things that I think would be really helpful

1267
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:50,080
to us as we figure out the West corridor is to get some idea of what businesses we might

1268
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:55,360
be able to attract to the West corridor because you know we had this conversation just because

1269
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:00,200
we want a grocery store does not mean a grocery store wants us and I think it would be really helpful

1270
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:06,800
for everybody who's making decisions if we could iron out like what are the types of businesses

1271
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:12,120
we have a good chance of attracting as we rebuild this and I think we've never gone that way.

1272
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:18,660
We've always just sort of spitballed it and I think it's time now that, you know, we see what

1273
01:38:18,660 --> 01:38:23,320
businesses might be a fit and then we can contact them. So it's a little bit of a different path

1274
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,540
than we've been on, but I said to Renee, I think it's exciting. I think it's a way to go.

1275
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:33,740
So ladies and gentlemen, just to take us forward, given the feedback being provided at this

1276
01:38:33,740 --> 01:38:38,440
I would like to work with all involved to schedule a public engagement to this effect.

1277
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:42,140
I'm contemplating tentatively Tuesday, September 30th.

1278
01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:46,740
So, the last day of the current fiscal year, and that will enable us to provide a follow-up

1279
01:38:46,740 --> 01:38:52,020
but day to the city commission via the October 21st, regular city commission meeting.

1280
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:55,740
So, that would be ample time for us to offer response to the state of Florida.

1281
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:01,820
So, your city commission meeting schedule for the month of October is the 14th and the 21st

1282
01:39:02,380 --> 01:39:05,220
to two states consecutive back to back to one another.

1283
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,000
So a couple weeks in advance,

1284
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,120
two states of September 30th, Ms. Prior,

1285
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:12,140
UNI will work collaboratively to offer a path forward

1286
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:13,560
and we'll facilitate that meeting,

1287
01:39:14,060 --> 01:39:19,120
offering a presentation of that experience via the October 21st,

1288
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:20,500
Regalistris City Commission meeting,

1289
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,520
enabling the commission to offer its direction at that time.

1290
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,160
So thank you very much for your time, Ms. Prior.

1291
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:28,720
Thank you. With that, Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen,

1292
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,020
I yield at this particular moment at this time.

1293
01:39:36,110 --> 01:39:37,310
Thank you very much.

1294
01:39:37,650 --> 01:39:40,350
We finished with the executive manager.

1295
01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:41,330
I yield at the staff.

1296
01:39:41,710 --> 01:39:45,410
We are now this meeting is now open for public comment.

1297
01:39:45,850 --> 01:39:50,530
Anyone wish you to speak on any topic or agenda item other than a quasi-judicial or public hearing

1298
01:39:50,530 --> 01:39:51,310
item.

1299
01:39:51,370 --> 01:39:54,690
We would be welcome to come to the electorate, give your name and address for the record,

1300
01:39:55,330 --> 01:39:56,730
and you will each have three minutes.

1301
01:40:00,950 --> 01:40:05,410
I want to thank Commissioner Markard and Commissioner Burns for showing our last night to the

1302
01:40:05,410 --> 01:40:06,050
of the media.

1303
01:40:06,230 --> 01:40:10,330
I'm sorry if anybody, if we just keep it down on my road so we can hear people that

1304
01:40:10,330 --> 01:40:10,810
would be great.

1305
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:12,830
Thank you.

1306
01:40:14,150 --> 01:40:18,510
As we know, this special text in District will begin to fit the community that said the

1307
01:40:18,510 --> 01:40:23,130
neighborhood has a whole, some guys met with the early New Year about a special text

1308
01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:24,350
district if you remember.

1309
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:35,780
If you go downtown, I use the word downtown for several years in the

1310
01:40:35,780 --> 01:40:43,360
we used the hate pan for parking. I work the burger fire and I pick. But I would suggest that

1311
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:50,100
that railroad parking lot should be beneficial to employees. Maybe put a gate there in a keycar

1312
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:53,380
so that just employees part of that and not other people.

1313
01:40:57,660 --> 01:41:00,960
Furthermore, I would like to talk about how all these

1314
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:05,420
camera systems was placed within the set around schools.

1315
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:09,960
However, I believe I was right through the city.

1316
01:41:10,380 --> 01:41:13,300
They have not been placed on secret shit or lack of a rural

1317
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:16,320
by Plamosa or Spadey.

1318
01:41:16,820 --> 01:41:19,560
So I would like to know what's going on with that.

1319
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:28,960
Nets with the one that's on North right here on the corner right here, it's in the wrong spot in my, I view, it should be right there by the school.

1320
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:42,640
Those are the daughters of Zion's because those calls, my son, but start right there in all cars, repeatedly almost about to run that stuff, all the time, and they should catch those calls that's driving directly past the school and not up in.

1321
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:50,340
Okay, um, and I don't want to agree with Penn the park at vegians park if I don't take my

1322
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:55,120
child to the park. I got to pay $1.50. I want to take my child to the park. Furthermore,

1323
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:59,040
it ain't an it's all that construction over there who want to pay the park next to all

1324
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:04,300
that construction at least right now. And if I have an event that I'm gonna have to charge

1325
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:09,300
all my guests to $1.50, I will the park to come to event to use the event space. I don't think

1326
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:12,800
that's accurate. I'm already got to pay to use the event already.

1327
01:42:19,060 --> 01:42:21,180
And with this street,

1328
01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:30,500
if the city don't remove the pan, what would be the issue from the state side? That's

1329
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:37,120
funding. What would be the budget benefit or the budget? I'll say, we lose state funding

1330
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,800
to this beautiful city. That's what I want to know about that. Because me is deeper than

1331
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:46,560
us to street. We all trying to let it feel we already have budget restraints in the city of

1332
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:53,460
Derrick Beach. So why do we want to risk more budget restraints? Yes, I get power. Yes,

1333
01:42:53,620 --> 01:43:01,640
I get we want to control but do we want to risk to pay more taxes from residents? Thank you very

1334
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,300
much, Montrey. I wasn't cutting you off.

1335
01:43:08,340 --> 01:43:10,800
I would like to start with a question. What's the

1336
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,000
The name is addressed for the record for you.

1337
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:18,640
Oh, Lucika Suarez, 115 South West, 11th Avenue, I guess I want to start with a question

1338
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:24,440
like what's your position on ice, because they are in our neighborhoods and I just want

1339
01:43:24,440 --> 01:43:27,320
to know like the commission's position on.

1340
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,440
We actually don't answer questions from comments.

1341
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:32,580
This is your comment.

1342
01:43:32,820 --> 01:43:37,200
You can tell us what you think and what we should think and all that's all.

1343
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:43,720
I just want to bring to your attention that they are targeting certain areas only, specifically

1344
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:52,240
on 10th where Presidente is and another plaza where there are known to be immigrants heavy

1345
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:56,680
heavy population there, and that's where they're hanging out at, and so I want to bring

1346
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:01,660
that to your attention because if we're talking about crime and some of this other propaganda,

1347
01:44:02,140 --> 01:44:05,720
then it shouldn't just be concentrated, it shouldn't just be concentrated in one area.

1348
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:10,880
It should be all the crop, they should be at trade of jose, they should be at whole food, they should be everywhere.

1349
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,320
If we're talking about climate and everything else.

1350
01:44:15,700 --> 01:44:19,820
But no, they are only concentrated in one place and that's a problem.

1351
01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:21,880
And I know I'm not even going to build a humanity.

1352
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,240
What I am going to build is who's your dollars, right?

1353
01:44:26,220 --> 01:44:29,880
So black and Hispanic donations make a lot.

1354
01:44:29,940 --> 01:44:35,700
Not just in Caribbean period, like we are a diverse, we'd like to say where diverse city, right?

1355
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:42,180
and it's a heavy tax base here. So once they are targeted and you lose bread

1356
01:44:42,180 --> 01:44:47,540
winners, we lose contributors to households, we lose owners. What's going

1357
01:44:47,540 --> 01:44:52,000
to happen to that tax base? We're still concerned about budget and we're

1358
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:56,540
cutting here, cutting there and talking about charging for parking. When these

1359
01:44:56,540 --> 01:44:59,560
people are removed from their households, what do you think is going to happen to

1360
01:44:59,560 --> 01:44:59,960
See you next week.

1361
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:29,760
What is going to happen with crime? What is going to happen with homelessness? All of these things that we're so passionate about and Valerie Beach. If we allow these folks to come into our neighborhoods and snatch up tax paying residents, take them out of their areas, wouldn't it be going to happen? Right? And another point, we already are our police of forces already strained. We have all the 12 police officers. Do you think they can afford to actually support ICE here?

1362
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:35,300
What's going to happen to Atlantic Boulevard and we're talking about these great restaurants and all these great events?

1363
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:42,380
Who do you think support? Who do you think make the show around you? We have organizers? Yes, but who do you think are the boots on the ground to make things happen here?

1364
01:45:43,480 --> 01:45:48,360
And there's snatch in the mud. How how how how was that going to benefit us having them gone?

1365
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:55,800
We're gonna lose a labor force. We're gonna lose taxes. We're gonna lose all break up families. We love to blame break up families for other things

1366
01:45:55,800 --> 01:46:00,240
But then we're not talking about what perpetuates what breaks the families in the first place

1367
01:46:00,460 --> 01:46:08,540
and so as a tax paying patient, I would like the commission to make sure they take the same energy

1368
01:46:08,540 --> 01:46:15,860
that Broward had, take the same energy that we wanted this vanity DA and do direct that same energy to us,

1369
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,120
because they are not welcoming you. Thank you, Emma.

1370
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:28,520
Just to let you know your child is

1371
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:32,820
looking at the room. Just to let you know your child is the best looking at one of the room.

1372
01:46:36,690 --> 01:46:43,290
Good evening. I'm here to talk about the Rainbow Crosswalk.

1373
01:46:43,410 --> 01:46:51,030
Your name on a dress name is Robin Ponds. I was going to say that. My name is Robin Ponds.

1374
01:46:51,790 --> 01:46:57,550
I live at 801 Southwest 141st Avenue in Pembroke Ponds.

1375
01:46:59,780 --> 01:47:03,540
My name is Robin Ponds and I'm a native Floridian.

1376
01:47:03,540 --> 01:47:17,940
Living in South Florida for 66 years, I live in South Broward, and I've driven up here to speak to you all about voting in favor of keeping your rainbow crosswalk in place.

1377
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:29,380
I am standing here as the extremely proud mom of a gay son, my only child.

1378
01:47:30,460 --> 01:47:42,610
My husband and I raised him to live his best life to reach for the stars and to never let anyone or anything stop them.

1379
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:52,520
He's grown up feeling loved and respected, which is the way all of our children should grow up.

1380
01:47:55,940 --> 01:48:05,260
The rainbow sidewalk that you have here in beautiful Delray Beach stands for your city's commitment to equality.

1381
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:11,400
Much like Delray Beach pride, which I have been at.

1382
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:19,680
And as a welcoming sign to our son and the incredible LGBTQIA plus community,

1383
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:26,840
to their allies, their family members, their friends, and all who walk across its calf.

1384
01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:34,860
By voting, yes, on keeping the rainbow crosswalk, your city sets an example, and inspires

1385
01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:41,120
other cities and towns to do the same, not only here in the U.S., but around the world.

1386
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:51,080
The Florida government in Tallahassee has nothing to offer its citizens, except hate and division.

1387
01:48:54,290 --> 01:49:08,950
Persecuting any population, especially minority groups, is the only done as a distraction to the nothing burger they have to offer us.

1388
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:15,870
Erasing the sidewalks will never, ever erase all of us.

1389
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:26,100
We will never give up our fight for equality for our children, for your children, and for future generations.

1390
01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:31,720
We all come from different walks of life, different backgrounds, different religions.

1391
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:36,740
But in the end, we are all humans.

1392
01:49:38,020 --> 01:49:43,600
We all deserve to live our best lives and love who we want to love.

1393
01:49:43,700 --> 01:49:45,240
Thank you very much.

1394
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,200
Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

1395
01:49:48,340 --> 01:49:53,520
We appreciate you being in this fight to stand with us for what's just and what's right.

1396
01:49:53,540 --> 01:49:54,760
Thank you very much.

1397
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:01,800
My name is Echo Moore.

1398
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,160
I am a resident at 21-0-47.

1399
01:50:05,660 --> 01:50:07,040
Russell Wood Avenue in Bocavertown.

1400
01:50:07,300 --> 01:50:07,900
Thank you for the chance.

1401
01:50:08,060 --> 01:50:10,620
I would like to also talk about the rainbow crosswalks.

1402
01:50:10,620 --> 01:50:18,460
So, the rainbow crosswalks were unveiled in 2021 as many of us know as an all way to honor the pulse night club victims.

1403
01:50:19,340 --> 01:50:21,300
I myself am a transgender gay man.

1404
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:30,480
I have come in to both, which I've come in to Del Rey multiple times for the pride for the events in Old Times Square

1405
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:39,440
and it has always been one of the most welcoming places in Palm Beach County, a very beautiful place, and I have never once felt unsafe here.

1406
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:53,700
The crosswalk has served as a way, as well, to remind drivers to slow down around that intersection, making it safer for pedestrians, for bikers, and drivers alike, especially in the arts district that is important.

1407
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:00,080
Since her ship as well, that is something that is being pushed on us by the governor.

1408
01:51:00,780 --> 01:51:06,760
Since her ship is just a way to fully people into listening, into hiding away.

1409
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:12,660
It does nothing to stop people from being themselves, from being queer.

1410
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,320
It does nothing but just make them wonder if they're the only ones around.

1411
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,700
The mural has served as a reminder that it all raised beaches one of the most welcoming places.

1412
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:27,920
It has served as a reminder that it is safe, that it is beautiful, and it makes me want to come down here often.

1413
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:32,320
Along with that, Street Art has a deep rooted history in Florida.

1414
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:41,460
It is celebrated in many towns like this, such as Pompano, such as Miami, and Boca Raton, even.

1415
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,960
Fort Lauderdale as well, also has such an amazing amount of street art.

1416
01:51:46,020 --> 01:51:55,340
By raising it and covering it up, you would be covering up history, you would be covering up a mural that is in a way to honor victims of our community that are no longer with us.

1417
01:51:55,500 --> 01:52:00,080
You would be covering up something that is known to make the streets safer, all for what?

1418
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:04,400
Because one person does not want a rainbow on the streets.

1419
01:52:05,140 --> 01:52:08,000
I am urging you to vote yes to keep it.

1420
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,700
And to not follow this bullying.

1421
01:52:12,940 --> 01:52:15,240
Thank you very much.

1422
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,300
Hello, my name is Janet Cohen.

1423
01:52:25,900 --> 01:52:31,000
I own a home at 85 Flanders S and the Kings Point community in West Del Rey.

1424
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:39,780
Mr. Mayor, commissioners, and most importantly, the distinguished guests here in the chambers.

1425
01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:45,560
I especially acknowledge you for being here to observe and witness what's happening.

1426
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,640
I need to give you a fair warning.

1427
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:55,760
I used to be the public information officer for a city that relied heavily on tourist dollars.

1428
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:00,340
I know a little bit about how city governments work and about how budgets work.

1429
01:53:00,940 --> 01:53:05,820
So I can really appreciate everybody who's been witnessing all the tap until tonight.

1430
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:13,440
Tonight I want to, and I should mention that the city that I worked for relied very heavily

1431
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:20,140
on what they lovingly called the Homo Tax. It was the Hotel Motel Tax that it received

1432
01:53:20,140 --> 01:53:27,920
from tourist dollars. Now I live in Del Rey. My mother lived here. My aunts and uncles have

1433
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:34,080
lived here. My sister owns a home here. I have a number of friends here. My daughter is a 26-year-old

1434
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:41,600
black Jewish artist who's moving to Del Rey in a couple of weeks. She and before I worked for the

1435
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:49,620
I worked as a social worker, so I know a little bit about human development and adolescent development, particularly.

1436
01:53:50,740 --> 01:53:52,220
I'm watching my time here.

1437
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:57,420
I happen to be of disabled woman. I happen to really like art.

1438
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:01,460
Because I'm disabled woman, it's really hard for me to walk around.

1439
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:06,360
I went to more calmies Sunday and prayed to get a really good parking spot.

1440
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,780
I like being able to drive through places and find art.

1441
01:54:10,780 --> 01:54:17,020
Now, you might think we're here to discuss number 7-H to talk about art in the sidewalk.

1442
01:54:17,660 --> 01:54:22,840
Many of you might think it's a gay, lesbian, trans, by-trans, you know, QIA business.

1443
01:54:23,620 --> 01:54:25,320
The reality is, it's about art.

1444
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:31,280
So the question is, do we want to spend our tax per dollar spending money to remove art?

1445
01:54:31,480 --> 01:54:33,600
Does actually bring pleasure to people?

1446
01:54:33,980 --> 01:54:37,320
And I just want to ask you if you're sitting in the cheap seats over here.

1447
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,220
If you believe...

1448
01:54:39,220 --> 01:54:40,420
And she took her just thought of it.

1449
01:54:40,620 --> 01:54:41,160
She took her just thought of it.

1450
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:41,440
Oh, she took her just thought of it.

1451
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:41,680
Oh, she took that.

1452
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:42,460
Thank you.

1453
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:46,260
And if you believe that art is a good thing,

1454
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,080
because art sells tourist dollars.

1455
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:51,840
If you think artists are good things, just stand up.

1456
01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:54,260
You have to say anything, just stand up.

1457
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:55,760
Be with me at once.

1458
01:54:56,660 --> 01:54:57,160
Thank you.

1459
01:54:58,140 --> 01:54:58,520
Thank you.

1460
01:54:58,520 --> 01:54:58,660
Thank you.

1461
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:00,460
I appreciate that.

1462
01:55:00,460 --> 01:55:08,260
So, now here's the deal, if we, if Council votes to remove the art, where's the money coming from?

1463
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:12,640
Are we going to stop doing Christmas lights during the spirit of the season?

1464
01:55:12,660 --> 01:55:14,900
Are we going to stop doing fireworks?

1465
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:19,600
I took my friend from Nigeria to see the fireworks this past July 4th.

1466
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,680
The bottom line is art cells and art cells tourism.

1467
01:55:25,220 --> 01:55:29,880
And I have just, if you indulge me a couple of minutes.

1468
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:30,680
A couple of minutes.

1469
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:33,040
I'll just give you like 30 seconds.

1470
01:55:33,500 --> 01:55:33,680
All right.

1471
01:55:33,900 --> 01:55:35,080
So here's the deal.

1472
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,320
Bullying is a tactic.

1473
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:38,280
I have to refer to everybody.

1474
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:39,120
Thank you.

1475
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:39,600
Thank you.

1476
01:55:39,620 --> 01:55:40,820
I appreciate that.

1477
01:55:40,940 --> 01:55:46,380
The tactic of trying to get us as a city to remove the art from downtown Del Rey.

1478
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:47,980
It's just a bullying tactic.

1479
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:49,820
It's political pandering.

1480
01:55:52,830 --> 01:56:01,470
So, and just a couple of statistics here, LGBTQIA youth are three and a half to four times

1481
01:56:01,470 --> 01:56:05,590
as likely to attempt suicide as their heterosexual peers.

1482
01:56:06,710 --> 01:56:12,450
Hate speech converts into hate acts, and that converts into hate crime, and I was helpful

1483
01:56:12,450 --> 01:56:15,470
in getting the hate crimes law passed in the state of Texas.

1484
01:56:16,150 --> 01:56:22,030
Half of the youth who have been intimidated by these bullying tactics did not have access

1485
01:56:22,030 --> 01:56:27,830
to mental health care in the past year, according to a study by the Trevor Project a couple

1486
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:34,790
of months ago, 40 percent, 45 percent of trans are non-binary, non-binary youth and

1487
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:40,310
their families considered moving out of state because they're so intimidated by what's

1488
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:40,990
going on.

1489
01:56:40,990 --> 01:56:53,490
So, the political attacks that are happening right now on these families led to a 90% of young people reporting negatively being impacted by what's happening politically.

1490
01:56:54,370 --> 01:56:55,710
Thank you very much for your time.

1491
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:57,430
Thank you very much.

1492
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:58,790
Thank you very much.

1493
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:12,800
Good evening, Commission.

1494
01:57:14,780 --> 01:57:17,560
Greg Weiss, board member, co-founder, friends of Del Rey,

1495
01:57:17,940 --> 01:57:20,520
117 Northwest Fifth Avenue Del Rey Beach.

1496
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:29,960
Let me preface my remarks by stating that I'm not an attorney like the good mayor, but I do play one on chat GBT.

1497
01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:31,700
I do do a great job, by the way.

1498
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:32,520
Thank you.

1499
01:57:32,740 --> 01:57:32,940
Thank you.

1500
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,560
My mother's proud that I least I chose some of them.

1501
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:36,640
I don't know.

1502
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:36,660
I don't know.

1503
01:57:38,060 --> 01:57:42,900
So please, you know, fact check anything that I'm putting up here, but I did all the fact

1504
01:57:42,900 --> 01:57:46,620
checking over and over before I committed to coming up here.

1505
01:57:46,620 --> 01:57:54,120
My comments tonight mostly reflect the legal aspect of the Pride Crosswalk situation we're dealing with now.

1506
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,860
Regarding FDOT's directive under Senate Bill 1662,

1507
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:01,680
as of today, Key West, Miami Beach,

1508
01:58:01,820 --> 01:58:07,620
have announced intentions to legally challenge the validity of 1662,

1509
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:14,760
while St. Peter's Bergen Fort Lordel are contemplating legal defenses of their painted crosswalks and streets.

1510
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:20,460
Why the challenges and how do they pertain to Delray Beach?

1511
01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:31,720
Florida statute 316 006 defines jurisdiction as FDOT state roads, but municipalities all

1512
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:36,580
streets and highways within their boundaries except for state roads.

1513
01:58:38,770 --> 01:58:42,870
The only exceptions in the states are funding grants, the obviously from federal governments,

1514
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:48,590
access management permanent use for a rights of a way, but the one that really is the focus

1515
01:58:48,590 --> 01:58:56,010
of where we hear tonight is Senate Bill 1662, traffic control devices. Traffic control devices

1516
01:58:56,010 --> 01:59:06,590
are basically defined as four things, signs, signals, markings, and devices. SB 1662, a men's

1517
01:59:06,590 --> 01:59:18,670
316 uniformed sign devices to explicitly allow FDOT to direct the removal of any traffic control device that fails to meet

1518
01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:26,070
statutory requirements wherever it's located without any regard to which agency installed it.

1519
01:59:26,250 --> 01:59:34,850
While 1662 attempts to create uniformity across the state under the guise of markings of these existing statutes,

1520
01:59:34,850 --> 01:59:42,710
The cities right now are contesting that, and considering contesting that for four key reasons,

1521
01:59:43,010 --> 01:59:48,970
and they're really critical for Delway to understand the home-ruling local self-governance.

1522
01:59:49,730 --> 01:59:52,330
The crosswalks are not merely paint.

1523
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:57,410
They're viable expressions of local culture and identity.

1524
01:59:57,890 --> 01:59:59,970
See you leaders argue, the one

1525
02:00:01,060 --> 02:00:09,960
They argue that the state direction to remove them in fringes on constitutional, homoral rights.

1526
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:14,720
If you please give me an additional, just to be the other two comments, it will be very quick, I promise.

1527
02:00:17,780 --> 02:00:22,740
Cultural expression in uniform state controls. The crosswalks represent.

1528
02:00:23,700 --> 02:00:24,980
If you could wrap it up, that would be good.

1529
02:00:24,980 --> 02:00:29,140
I don't get two more points that the other cities are in the system.

1530
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:31,160
I'm trying to be fair to everybody.

1531
02:00:31,340 --> 02:00:32,300
I'm not fair not totally.

1532
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:36,280
So basically, creativity for the LGBT community leaders

1533
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:38,040
are emphasizing the symbols value

1534
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:39,800
beyond traffic safety and regulation.

1535
02:00:40,420 --> 02:00:42,260
Push back against state preemption.

1536
02:00:42,980 --> 02:00:46,340
For the crosswalks, the cities basically have invoked,

1537
02:00:46,460 --> 02:00:48,480
and this is really key for Del Rey Beach.

1538
02:00:48,700 --> 02:00:52,140
They have invoked administrative hearing under chapter 120

1539
02:00:52,140 --> 02:01:00,000
of Florida statutes, preparing documentation, safety data, tourism value, accidents, statistics

1540
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:05,920
to argue that the crosswalks are safe, culturally meaningful, and should remain in place

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02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:13,460
despite the FDOT's directive. Delray Beach is, and has always been culturally rich,

1542
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:20,240
culturally diverse, and culturally an welcoming community. Every Delray leader is the need

1543
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:27,320
and five four and five on behalf of the members of our community that make up the fabric of the rich

1544
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:30,600
culture and diversity of this city. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1545
02:01:35,610 --> 02:01:36,810
If we could try to keep this in

1546
02:01:36,810 --> 02:01:40,690
three minutes, that would be great. Mayor. Thank you. And just a reminder, we have a one hour time

1547
02:01:40,690 --> 02:01:50,410
limit on public comment. Yes. But what is that? We're almost a half hour in. So we have a one hour,

1548
02:01:50,410 --> 02:01:51,990
Yeah, but I don't look like that.

1549
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:53,490
So, I'm possibly 30 minutes remaining.

1550
02:01:55,870 --> 02:01:57,990
Hi, my name is Alex Andrews O'Lawi,

1551
02:01:58,010 --> 02:02:00,310
and I'm a resident at 30 1100 Boulevard,

1552
02:02:00,310 --> 02:02:03,410
and I'm here today to talk about the rainbow sidewalk, as well.

1553
02:02:03,730 --> 02:02:05,230
Minor religious asseries of questions

1554
02:02:05,230 --> 02:02:07,650
I would like you all to just really consider and contemplate

1555
02:02:07,650 --> 02:02:10,750
as I know our city is struggling and sort of grasping

1556
02:02:10,750 --> 02:02:13,010
the realities of what it can mean if we kept it

1557
02:02:13,010 --> 02:02:13,710
for our citizens.

1558
02:02:14,190 --> 02:02:16,410
Is the city of Del Rey Beach planning on sending an attorney

1559
02:02:16,410 --> 02:02:18,730
to their F.D. meeting comes September 3rd?

1560
02:02:18,730 --> 02:02:23,230
I also just want to point out and really say thank you for not giving in at the first

1561
02:02:23,230 --> 02:02:27,610
site of the memo, which I know that our Vice Mayor Rob Long has talked a lot about and that

1562
02:02:27,610 --> 02:02:32,310
it's not just a safety concern, it is very much a political move. I'm also concerned about

1563
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:36,830
what this would mean for our city. Our people are incredible community who's out here showing

1564
02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:44,430
up day in and day out if it means that we give into this concern quote unquote, at any sign of bullying

1565
02:02:44,430 --> 02:02:48,830
and what it would mean for future consequences for our city as well.

1566
02:02:49,090 --> 02:02:52,150
Has that really be requested in an administrative hearing to challenge the order?

1567
02:02:52,590 --> 02:02:58,790
If the street has to be destroyed, will a mural be moved to a wall or to still represent

1568
02:02:58,790 --> 02:03:04,350
and recognize the LGBTQIA plus community that lives here that are strong, that are present within

1569
02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:05,010
our community?

1570
02:03:05,410 --> 02:03:08,770
And if the issue is that it doesn't comply with official traffic control standards,

1571
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:12,090
is there a way to have it comply while still keep it?

1572
02:03:12,090 --> 02:03:17,170
and those are just the questions I will leave you with. I want to thank you everybody all for showing up for this. Thank you so much.

1573
02:03:18,510 --> 02:03:19,690
Thank you. You said a record.

1574
02:03:24,670 --> 02:03:37,370
Hello, I'm Marcy Hall and I live at 1400 Del Lane in Del Ray Beach. First, thank you to the mayor, the commissioners and city staff for your service to Del Ray Beach.

1575
02:03:37,370 --> 02:03:41,150
I appreciate the time and effort that you give to your community.

1576
02:03:41,930 --> 02:03:46,510
And thank you to Randhought, President of the Palm Beach County Human Rights Council,

1577
02:03:46,750 --> 02:03:48,370
for his continued advocacy.

1578
02:03:49,410 --> 02:03:57,630
I'm so nervous, but I feel that it's important that I stand up here as a resident,

1579
02:03:58,610 --> 02:04:01,310
that has lived in Del Raisins, 1989.

1580
02:04:02,190 --> 02:04:07,210
and my spouse and I were married here when marriage quality became law.

1581
02:04:11,150 --> 02:04:13,070
Delray is my home.

1582
02:04:13,710 --> 02:04:17,210
I served in the U.S. Army, and I worked to now cure fundraising,

1583
02:04:22,100 --> 02:04:24,200
and I was supportive of the arts here in Delray.

1584
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:28,520
My spouse was a nurse here for 20 over 20 years.

1585
02:04:29,260 --> 02:04:34,800
We paid our taxes, we felt our neighbors, and we've done everything possible to be good citizens,

1586
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:42,220
that the Florida Department of Transportation is now demanding the removal of a rainbow painted

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02:04:42,220 --> 02:04:42,940
intersection.

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02:04:45,980 --> 02:04:52,840
Simple, a symbol of welcoming and inclusion that this city chose to install,

1589
02:04:53,720 --> 02:05:00,900
and some people asked why should anyone care about this and I say because marginalized

1590
02:05:00,900 --> 02:05:05,360
people sometimes need a symbol to show the matter

1591
02:05:13,140 --> 02:05:16,680
and taking away that symbol says they don't.

1592
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:26,880
But is this really just about a painted intersection or just an easy target and a broader effort to control who gets to be seen and heard?

1593
02:05:27,580 --> 02:05:36,240
I'm 167 years old and I'm tired of having to fight to say I belong.

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02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:39,600
And I'm okay, I'm a decent person.

1595
02:05:40,540 --> 02:05:46,560
This is really what matters most to state leaders to all of you, a rainbow on the pavement.

1596
02:05:47,260 --> 02:05:52,920
The real question is how power is being used not to protect people but to punish visibility.

1597
02:05:54,380 --> 02:06:02,140
Let's not pretend this about safety if at word we be talking about pot holes or dangerous intersections not paint.

1598
02:06:02,140 --> 02:06:02,940
Del

1599
02:06:07,610 --> 02:06:15,250
Rey Beach made a choice to say everyone belongs here now. We're being told to take that back and I understand the city may have to comply with the state

1600
02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:16,510
But you how

1601
02:06:17,150 --> 02:06:24,870
But how you respond still matters. You can remove the paint, but that doesn't erase what it represented and if we're quiet

1602
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:31,530
Don't mistake that for us surrendering even if your hands are tied your boys and your leadership are not

1603
02:06:31,530 --> 02:06:33,390
I'm not here to ask for division

1604
02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:38,430
And I'm here to ask you to stand up, not just for a crosswalk, but for what it represents

1605
02:06:38,430 --> 02:06:42,750
the right to feel safe, to belong, and be part of this city.

1606
02:06:43,330 --> 02:06:43,930
Thank you.

1607
02:06:55,190 --> 02:06:56,030
Good evening, Commissioner.

1608
02:06:56,250 --> 02:06:57,330
My name is Chris Rhodes.

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02:06:57,790 --> 02:07:01,810
I have lived in Palm Beach County for now 20 years, and I'm an active member of the Palm Beach

1610
02:07:01,810 --> 02:07:06,810
LGBTQ community, and I'm an proud member of the Equality Florida State Board of Directors.

1611
02:07:07,170 --> 02:07:14,130
Equality Florida is the largest LGBTQ Civil Rights Organization, and on behalf of our 1,086

1612
02:07:14,130 --> 02:07:17,590
supporters who are residents of Del Rey in Beach.

1613
02:07:17,890 --> 02:07:22,950
I am here to ask you to defend the value of inclusion, defend Del Rey Beach's long history

1614
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:29,750
of being a welcome place for the LGBTQ residents, and defend LGBTQ visibility in Del Rey Beach

1615
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:32,570
by rejecting this power grab from Tallahassee.

1616
02:07:33,670 --> 02:07:34,950
Let's be abundantly clear.

1617
02:07:35,650 --> 02:07:38,490
This has nothing to do with public safety.

1618
02:07:38,490 --> 02:07:44,050
Governor DeSantis is once again injecting his politics into local communities to silence,

1619
02:07:44,490 --> 02:07:47,330
censor, and race, our LGBTQ community.

1620
02:07:48,090 --> 02:07:50,530
What's particularly disturbing is that the F.D.

1621
02:07:50,530 --> 02:07:54,230
New Directive contradicts actual research on crosswalk safety.

1622
02:07:54,810 --> 02:08:00,910
A Florida-based study found that artistic crosswalks improve safety, contributing to a 10% decrease

1623
02:08:00,910 --> 02:08:07,190
in drivers running stop signs and a 6% increase in drivers coming to a full stop at intersections.

1624
02:08:07,930 --> 02:08:10,810
Again, this is not about traffic safety.

1625
02:08:11,130 --> 02:08:16,450
This is a brazen viewpoint censorship from an administration as antagonized and attacked

1626
02:08:16,450 --> 02:08:21,130
the Florida's LGBTQ community and it's a blatant violation of the First Amendment.

1627
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:24,410
Del Rey Beach isn't alone in resisting the censorship.

1628
02:08:24,850 --> 02:08:25,750
You should know this.

1629
02:08:26,050 --> 02:08:30,610
The vast majority of cities where Pride Street art have been resisted this power grab.

1630
02:08:31,050 --> 02:08:36,110
The city of Key West and the city of St. Petersburg have publicly voted not to comply with

1631
02:08:36,110 --> 02:08:38,890
and to pursue legal ventures.

1632
02:08:39,450 --> 02:08:43,070
The City of Gainesville Committed to replace the crosswalk

1633
02:08:43,070 --> 02:08:45,930
with public art that would be of equal or greater value

1634
02:08:45,930 --> 02:08:48,390
visible for the LGBTQ presentation.

1635
02:08:49,210 --> 02:08:51,090
Other cities like Orlando where the pulse memorial

1636
02:08:51,090 --> 02:08:52,450
has taken no action.

1637
02:08:53,130 --> 02:08:54,610
For our members in Del Rey Beach,

1638
02:08:54,730 --> 02:08:57,650
these crosswebs represent more than a decoration.

1639
02:08:58,430 --> 02:09:01,010
They are a visible reminder that they belong here,

1640
02:09:01,270 --> 02:09:03,710
that they are seen, and that the Del Rey Beach values

1641
02:09:03,710 --> 02:09:08,570
of inclusion are important. Please do not rush to comply with these political bullying

1642
02:09:08,570 --> 02:09:13,650
packets. They are in several steps so you can do and you should take. Exercise or

1643
02:09:13,650 --> 02:09:19,070
legal right to an administrative hearing. Make them defend why our visibility is unsafe

1644
02:09:19,070 --> 02:09:24,430
when the data proves the opposite. Demand a waiver for this crosswalk and for our community

1645
02:09:24,430 --> 02:09:29,790
because this visibility is a priority. Make them put their bigotry in writing.

1646
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:36,910
challenge this in an unfunded mandate. Regardless of the outcome, commit to the LGBTQ

1647
02:09:36,910 --> 02:09:43,610
visibility that is of equal or greater visible value. Cities show pride with their LGBTQ

1648
02:09:43,610 --> 02:09:49,310
communities in a lot of ways. Crosswalks, sidewalks, street lamps, street signs, murals,

1649
02:09:49,710 --> 02:09:54,830
public art installations, and brand ban shows. What matters to our members is that they

1650
02:09:54,830 --> 02:09:59,990
seen and valued. Commissioners, this vote is about more than pain on pavement. It's about

1651
02:09:59,990 --> 02:10:04,990
whether we stand firm in the values of inclusion and building a welcoming city. Please vote today

1652
02:10:04,990 --> 02:10:09,390
for visibility for LGBTQ community. Again, thank you so much for your presentation.

1653
02:10:10,130 --> 02:10:10,370
Thank

1654
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:23,420
you. Shvong Barrelian, 339, East Atlantic Avenue. I only planned on speaking about parking tonight,

1655
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:28,120
but I just want to share my support for everybody who is spoken. I'm blown away. This is the most

1656
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:34,480
moving commission meeting of ever attended and I have attended many. So I implore the commission

1657
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:40,420
to keep the crosswalk and really listen to all of your constituents are saying. Having emailed

1658
02:10:40,420 --> 02:10:45,040
the whole commission following the last meeting, I just wanted to thank the WVICE Mayor Burns

1659
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:49,780
and Commissioner Casal for corresponding with me taking the time to meet with me. I look forward

1660
02:10:49,780 --> 02:10:53,720
to updates on the parking plan and I appreciate the Office of the City Manager for putting

1661
02:10:53,720 --> 02:11:00,460
together the presentation and the plan. I just wanted to say that I am honestly disturbed by

1662
02:11:00,460 --> 02:11:05,660
what I witnessed following the DDA presentation. Laura Simon is the heart of Del Rey Beach.

1663
02:11:05,820 --> 02:11:09,900
She buys clothing from downtown stores. She has dates, nights, and birthdays celebrations.

1664
02:11:10,780 --> 02:11:15,700
At downtown restaurants, I've worked in the city since I was 16 years old. I've known her since

1665
02:11:15,700 --> 02:11:20,340
I was 16 years old. She attends every single event. She is the reason why this town is known as the

1666
02:11:20,340 --> 02:11:26,940
small town in America, it is very disheartening to see the tension between the city and the

1667
02:11:26,940 --> 02:11:32,320
DDA when she gives her entire heart and soul to what she does. So I just wanted to share my

1668
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:37,160
support for her for the DDA and reiterate that as someone who attends DDA board meetings,

1669
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:42,240
that I agree with the assessments expressed by Commissioner Markert and Commissioner Kassal,

1670
02:11:42,640 --> 02:11:47,020
this feels personal and it's really disappointing and honestly very uncomfortable for all of us

1671
02:11:47,020 --> 02:11:47,580
to witness.

1672
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:50,260
So I really hope that this can be sorted out with stability and respect.

1673
02:11:50,860 --> 02:11:51,040
Thank you.

1674
02:11:51,500 --> 02:11:51,600
Thank you.

1675
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:52,180
Thank you very much.

1676
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:59,960
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Commission.

1677
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:01,640
My name is Brigida MacTig.

1678
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:08,400
My address is 2821 South plus 13th Court in white and beach and I've lived there for 33 years

1679
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:14,100
and I'm here also to speak in favor of retaining the LGBTQ Crosswalk and Del Rey Beach.

1680
02:12:14,660 --> 02:12:18,480
The federal and state directives that demand that all communities paint over their rainbow

1681
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:21,980
crosswalks are simply examples of government-sponsored

1682
02:12:21,980 --> 02:12:28,700
bigotry and hatred, and it's a way to demean and discriminate against our LGBTQ residents.

1683
02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:34,680
I'm aware that cities refusing to comply are threatened with removal of the crosswalks

1684
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:40,280
by the Florida Department of Transportation, a charge for the removal costs, and also, you

1685
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:42,580
know, possible withholding of state funds.

1686
02:12:42,580 --> 02:13:02,180
Despite these threats, I feel that it is important for the City of Del Rey Beach to show support for our LGBTQ community and for diversity and inclusion in general by defying this hateful law and to set an example for the rest of the country by demonstrating the courage to stand up for what is right.

1687
02:13:02,900 --> 02:13:09,020
There's a famous saying that if a law is unjust, man is not only right to disobey it,

1688
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:11,040
he is obligated to do so.

1689
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:15,920
Or in the words of the late congressman John Lewis make good trouble.

1690
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:25,680
Thank you in advance for having the courage to say no to this hateful, directive, and

1691
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:30,560
for standing up for our community members who are being targeted by both our state and federal

1692
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:31,180
governments.

1693
02:13:31,320 --> 02:13:32,260
Thank you.

1694
02:13:33,700 --> 02:13:34,600
Thank you very much.

1695
02:13:40,200 --> 02:13:45,160
Melody Douglas, I met two three four Southwest 28 Avenue here in Delray Beach.

1696
02:13:47,160 --> 02:14:01,340
The federal Secretary of Transportation reached out to people and cities in all 50 states and the city of DC instructing us all to remove rainbow crosswalks from our communities citing safety concerns.

1697
02:14:01,340 --> 02:14:06,740
Unfortunately, it was unable to provide any data that support that concern.

1698
02:14:07,260 --> 02:14:13,440
As a matter of fact, our traffic fatalities in the United States dropped 3.8%

1699
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:17,340
between 2024 and its previous year, 2023.

1700
02:14:18,820 --> 02:14:22,960
Without any proof, we should not assume that these crosswalks cause accidents.

1701
02:14:23,620 --> 02:14:27,940
And if the city of Delray Beach has recorded an increase in accidents at that intersection

1702
02:14:27,940 --> 02:14:32,160
since it was painted, we need to consider that study it and present it to the public.

1703
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:37,700
While we investigate that data, we should not waste taxpayer money on unnecessary removal.

1704
02:14:38,540 --> 02:14:42,540
Rainbow Crosswalks are powerful symbols of inclusion in our communities,

1705
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:46,900
for groups of people who too frequently experience hate and discrimination,

1706
02:14:47,780 --> 02:14:52,680
Rainbow Crosswalks enhance the vibrant artistic, fun atmosphere of our downtowns,

1707
02:14:52,980 --> 02:14:57,020
and we should keep our Delray Rainbow Crosswalk and the flavor of our local culture.

1708
02:14:57,940 --> 02:14:59,960
We have a bunch of...

1709
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:19,860
In our beautiful state and abundance sunshine. In tolerant folks may try to remove all the rainbows in all our cities and towns, but they can't remove the rainbows from the sky. Just like queer and trans people, they have always been and will always be here.

1710
02:15:19,860 --> 02:15:24,540
bring children and beauty to everybody.

1711
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:26,260
Thank you very much.

1712
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:35,460
Lauren, Dawn, on my Anders' 12th Welsley Drive and Lake Worth.

1713
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:43,180
And in 2005, I opened a hair salon right here at 25 Northeast Second Avenue and

1714
02:15:43,180 --> 02:15:44,100
Sweet 12.

1715
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:48,780
So we just celebrated our 20-year anniversary.

1716
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:55,340
And over the last 20 plus years now having opened that space with

1717
02:15:55,340 --> 02:16:01,500
baby and a dream. I've parked in the same view lots and I've walked at the same sidewalks

1718
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:07,620
and into the same doors and out those same windows for the last 20 years. I've got to witness

1719
02:16:07,620 --> 02:16:15,380
this evolution of Del Rey Beach. I'm going from this like charming exquisite hitting gem into an

1720
02:16:15,380 --> 02:16:22,420
more charming and even more exquisite global destination that invites families and

1721
02:16:22,420 --> 02:16:30,980
foodies and dog lovers and coffee drinkers and smile seekers and artists and

1722
02:16:30,980 --> 02:16:36,380
art lovers and it invites all these people in an effort to experience the magic of

1723
02:16:36,380 --> 02:16:43,880
this inclusive city and so when one of my favorite things about being here and

1724
02:16:43,880 --> 02:16:48,840
in Del Reyfí, just being able to experience the events and the festivities and the festivals

1725
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:55,800
and the parades and the celebrations, the music, the theater, the art and all in an effort

1726
02:16:55,800 --> 02:17:00,980
to just celebrate people of all kinds.

1727
02:17:01,540 --> 02:17:09,360
And I think that the rainbow crosswalk is nothing more than a simple extension of those expressions.

1728
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:13,060
And anyway, it turns out I'm getting.

1729
02:17:15,220 --> 02:17:21,020
And my 25-year-old son is also gay, and shout out to my partner, I love you.

1730
02:17:22,940 --> 02:17:26,500
And so, you know, my heart melts every time the menor lights on the first day of Hanukkah.

1731
02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:30,640
And my heart sings every time I cross this for corners.

1732
02:17:31,180 --> 02:17:36,200
And so, I'm just here to ask that if my lot has to be taken down,

1733
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:44,040
that we just continue to have these permanent syllables of welcome that Del Rey has always been the huge part of.

1734
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:45,600
Thank you for letting me speak.

1735
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:47,740
Thank you very much.

1736
02:17:52,710 --> 02:17:54,070
Good evening, Mayor commissioners.

1737
02:17:54,470 --> 02:17:57,890
I'm Stephen Gaskill, 3650 Aladdin Avenue in Boing Beach.

1738
02:17:58,690 --> 02:18:06,630
I'm president of the LGBTQ Democratic Caucus of Palm Beach County and a past president of the Florida LGBTQ plus Democratic Caucus.

1739
02:18:07,310 --> 02:18:15,750
You know, when the grand scheme of things this crosswalk is just a spec, but we know and we've heard the symbols matter and visibility matters.

1740
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:19,030
Respect flows from symbolism and visibility.

1741
02:18:20,010 --> 02:18:28,730
And that was a purpose of pride, and that was the point of the Stonewall Riot, which pulled the LGBTQ community into the streets to demand, to respect and visibility.

1742
02:18:29,510 --> 02:18:35,510
The governor has a well-documented disdain, some would say hatred for our community.

1743
02:18:36,190 --> 02:18:40,670
He has spent his time in office marginalizing our people, erasing us from public life,

1744
02:18:41,070 --> 02:18:45,510
and insulting LGBTQ adults and kids, and he's currently backed up by the administration

1745
02:18:45,510 --> 02:18:46,270
in Washington.

1746
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:52,310
There is a sizable LGBTQ community in Del Rey Beach, in Palm Beach County, and throughout

1747
02:18:52,310 --> 02:18:52,710
Florida.

1748
02:18:53,850 --> 02:18:58,390
We are nearly 10% of the U.S. population, according to a national Gallup poll from this

1749
02:18:59,530 --> 02:19:05,430
and the size of our community grows larger as a demographic groups get younger.

1750
02:19:06,650 --> 02:19:09,630
That is why there's a rush to eliminate our visibility now.

1751
02:19:10,190 --> 02:19:16,680
The other side has seen weak and make progress, and that progress is accepted by the larger community throughout the country.

1752
02:19:17,250 --> 02:19:24,190
Acceptance and visibility paved the way for our community to ensure our civil rights to be treated equally in all aspects of society.

1753
02:19:25,370 --> 02:19:30,390
We all know the famous poem first that came for somebody I didn't say anything, et cetera, et cetera.

1754
02:19:31,450 --> 02:19:33,130
But we've been first for a while.

1755
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:36,970
And capitulating now, just giving up and letting an overbearing,

1756
02:19:37,050 --> 02:19:40,550
unrestrained government, which reports to support local control,

1757
02:19:41,110 --> 02:19:44,290
but pulls home rule whenever a can over the most picky union issues.

1758
02:19:44,810 --> 02:19:49,650
Letting that government tell Del Ray Beach, who we can recognize on its own streets, is absurd.

1759
02:19:54,300 --> 02:19:57,180
You are voluntarily giving up your power as a governing body.

1760
02:19:57,180 --> 02:20:02,420
We don't give up our power as a community and yet you are willing to.

1761
02:20:02,940 --> 02:20:06,100
So this discussion about a crosswalk is just not about a crosswalk.

1762
02:20:06,900 --> 02:20:09,420
It's not about public safety, it's not about special rights.

1763
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:12,400
It's about being seen, it's about being heard,

1764
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:17,600
and it's about being recognized as members of this community with agency over our own actions.

1765
02:20:18,820 --> 02:20:22,640
My community knows how to fight for our beliefs and what benefits us.

1766
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:26,600
The shame that Delrey Beach is walking away from similar principles.

1767
02:20:27,660 --> 02:20:28,640
Thank you very much.

1768
02:20:32,440 --> 02:20:33,280
Good evening, commission.

1769
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:37,680
Before I start, I'm running over a little bit of three minutes, but I had six very kind

1770
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,340
people who are willing to give me their time as deal.

1771
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:41,040
I'll get a little over.

1772
02:20:41,380 --> 02:20:42,680
More, you know the rules, don't you?

1773
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:43,700
I do.

1774
02:20:44,220 --> 02:20:44,520
Okay.

1775
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:46,360
Okay, that's right.

1776
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:48,720
You're going to say the six we're staying in the audience.

1777
02:20:48,940 --> 02:20:50,240
We're not going to get up and speak.

1778
02:20:50,460 --> 02:20:51,240
You're going to go.

1779
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:53,080
Fine, you've got your time.

1780
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:54,200
I appreciate that.

1781
02:20:54,200 --> 02:20:58,960
So the clock needs to be set for six minutes of believe for Mr. Coppola, and after that

1782
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:02,960
Mayor does only a few more minutes remaining for the hour a lot of four public engagement.

1783
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:07,080
Okay, thank you. My name is Nicholas Kofola.

1784
02:21:07,660 --> 02:21:14,260
3930, low symbol of our gallery, beach florida, 334445, 5656250071.

1785
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:20,300
I am currently a board member of PBCHIC and the former board chair of the Campus Community Center.

1786
02:21:21,500 --> 02:21:27,020
For me, the simple act of stepping on to the painted rainbow crosswalk in Del Rey Beach feels

1787
02:21:27,020 --> 02:21:31,460
like more than just crossing a street. It feels like crossing a threshold into belonging.

1788
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:36,780
My partner David and I found a welcoming in Del Rey Beach that went beyond words and

1789
02:21:36,780 --> 02:21:43,020
smiles. It was reflected in every gesture and in the very colors beneath our feet. That

1790
02:21:43,020 --> 02:21:47,420
symbol is not just a mark on the pavement, but a visible reassurance that our differences

1791
02:21:47,420 --> 02:21:50,980
was not a secret to be hidden, but a story to be honored.

1792
02:21:52,020 --> 02:21:56,760
There have been times when I felt that courage was necessarily simply to be seen.

1793
02:21:56,820 --> 02:21:59,180
That courage was necessarily simply to be seen.

1794
02:21:59,880 --> 02:22:03,460
In the very beginning, the presence of the rainbow crosswalk became a promise.

1795
02:22:04,180 --> 02:22:08,140
A declaration that the city's heart was big enough to hold stories like ours.

1796
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:12,560
In moments of uncertainty, when debates flare and decisions hanging the balance,

1797
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:17,100
I've learned how easily symbols can shift from comfort to controversy.

1798
02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:28,620
As Delray Beach stands at a crossroads, figuratively and literally, each decision reverberates beyond asphalt and paint echoing in the stories and hopes of its residents.

1799
02:22:29,540 --> 02:22:37,200
For some, these symbols offer comfort after a lifetime of feeling invisible, for others they spark conflict or confusion.

1800
02:22:38,180 --> 02:22:43,040
At the heart of all this is a question, what does it truly mean to be seen?

1801
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:47,240
For many it is a quiet reassurance of knowing that this story is matter.

1802
02:22:47,860 --> 02:22:52,560
Their presence acknowledged not just in policy or public record, but in the very fabric

1803
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:53,880
of shared life.

1804
02:22:54,660 --> 02:23:00,120
Symbols, whether painted on pavement or flying from flag poles, can offer that reassurance.

1805
02:23:00,860 --> 02:23:06,620
They are not just marks on the landscape, they are invitations together to listen and to

1806
02:23:06,620 --> 02:23:12,780
member who we are to each other, but symbols by their nature spark controversy. They

1807
02:23:12,780 --> 02:23:18,260
summoned forth the unseen and unheard, forcing a reckoning, with histories that have

1808
02:23:18,260 --> 02:23:23,740
often been silenced. And so, when these gestures come on the threat, the community is called

1809
02:23:23,740 --> 02:23:29,700
not to retreat into silence, but to engage with better and greater empathy and resolve.

1810
02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:35,280
The discussions that follow are messy and sometimes painful, but necessary opportunities

1811
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,920
for growth are always rooted in honesty and care.

1812
02:23:39,740 --> 02:23:44,080
To understand this symbol is not simply to preserve its physical form, but to carry forward

1813
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:46,180
the spirit that inspired it.

1814
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:51,240
It is to choose repeatedly to stand with those for whom belonging has always been conditional

1815
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:57,900
and to shape a city where acceptance is not a slogan, but a practice woven into daily life.

1816
02:23:57,900 --> 02:24:01,800
Only then can a community is welcome ring true,

1817
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:05,100
transcending the boundaries of pink and policy.

1818
02:24:06,180 --> 02:24:09,380
This is why moments that seem small on the surface of

1819
02:24:09,380 --> 02:24:11,380
Voting City Hall are be painting of lines,

1820
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:14,280
stand as a catalyst for reflection far beyond

1821
02:24:14,280 --> 02:24:15,460
the immediate controversy.

1822
02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:19,080
They compel each of us to confront not only the values

1823
02:24:19,080 --> 02:24:22,640
we publicly profess, but also the quiet convictions

1824
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:26,160
that shape our interactions with our neighbors and strangers.

1825
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:31,980
It is easy to take for granted the sense of belonging when it has never been questioned.

1826
02:24:32,540 --> 02:24:38,100
Just as it is easy to overlook the pain of erasure when one's place has always been assured.

1827
02:24:38,980 --> 02:24:46,520
Yes, for those whose histories are marked by exclusion, the removal of a symbol is not just an administrative decision.

1828
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:53,800
It's a gut punch felt in the soul, in the daily calculus of safety and self-expression.

1829
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:59,160
We all need to be reminded that the city is not only streets and statues, but the daily

1830
02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:06,420
choices made in the open and in quiet, to welcome, to stand in solidarity, to extend grace

1831
02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:07,980
when understanding folders.

1832
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:14,320
As these debates unfold, they lay bare the unfinished work of community, how inclusion is

1833
02:25:14,320 --> 02:25:19,540
not a destination, but a practice, and perhaps amid the noise and uncertainty there is

1834
02:25:19,540 --> 02:25:24,680
change for something deeper, for neighbors to learn how to hold disagreement without letting

1835
02:25:24,680 --> 02:25:32,040
go of care, to seek accountability without sacrificing compassion, and to create rituals

1836
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:38,480
that welcome and endure beyond the crosswalk or commission decision. I think it's sad

1837
02:25:38,480 --> 02:25:44,620
to see our neighbors divide it sometimes bitterly over what should be a simple gesture of inclusion.

1838
02:25:44,620 --> 02:25:47,260
But that sadness is not the end of the story.

1839
02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:52,160
It is, in fact, the beginning of a deeper conversation about what it means to truly welcome

1840
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:56,860
someone, not just in words or in symbol, but in action and in tent.

1841
02:25:57,740 --> 02:26:01,960
Some may argue that symbols are fleeting subject to the whims of politics and budgetary

1842
02:26:01,960 --> 02:26:07,260
constraints, yet their power lies less in the permanence than in the spirit they represent.

1843
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:13,600
Removing paint from a payment, there's not erased the live realities of those who walk

1844
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:17,220
there, nor does it undo the longing for dignity and recognition.

1845
02:26:18,220 --> 02:26:20,220
It asks instead how we move forward.

1846
02:26:20,700 --> 02:26:24,080
How we recommit to the promises our community has made,

1847
02:26:24,320 --> 02:26:25,640
even when those promises are tested.

1848
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:29,100
So as we consider what is that state,

1849
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:31,880
let us remember that the measure of a city's character

1850
02:26:31,880 --> 02:26:34,620
is not found in its ease with consensus,

1851
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:36,800
but in its courage to listen,

1852
02:26:37,380 --> 02:26:39,840
adopt and uphold a dignity of every resident.

1853
02:26:40,760 --> 02:26:42,480
The conversations we have now,

1854
02:26:42,480 --> 02:26:50,540
The decisions we make will shape not only the physical landscape, but also the emotional terrain for generations to come.

1855
02:26:51,220 --> 02:26:51,280
Please.

1856
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:52,730
Fight for us.

1857
02:26:53,700 --> 02:26:54,660
Thank you very much.

1858
02:27:00,220 --> 02:27:01,280
How much time do we have left?

1859
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:06,760
Okay.

1860
02:27:09,660 --> 02:27:10,700
Good evening.

1861
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:11,860
Commissioners.

1862
02:27:12,880 --> 02:27:14,080
Members of the public.

1863
02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:17,500
Quickly, someone let their glasses at the stand.

1864
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:18,840
So if you did.

1865
02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:20,920
There they are.

1866
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:22,680
I am Mavis Benson.

1867
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,140
I have resided 800 Greenswood Court.

1868
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:31,520
I want to thank those of you, specifically Commissioner Markert and Commissioner Kassal.

1869
02:27:32,420 --> 02:27:39,060
And any members of the public or anyone viewing who attended our Town Hall last Wednesday.

1870
02:27:41,080 --> 02:27:47,420
In my humble opinion, it was one of the best town halls since I've been actively involved with the DDA.

1871
02:27:47,420 --> 02:27:53,400
We were thrilled to welcome over a hundred guests, a wonderfully diverse group that included

1872
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:55,280
both residents and business owners.

1873
02:27:55,820 --> 02:28:00,780
The number of residents in attendance was substantially higher than the merchants, meaning

1874
02:28:00,780 --> 02:28:06,700
we heard directly from a large portion of our district's taxpayer community, people who

1875
02:28:06,700 --> 02:28:09,260
were genuinely invested in our downtown.

1876
02:28:09,260 --> 02:28:17,960
It was a really great format, a survey went out earlier asking specific questions, which helped

1877
02:28:17,960 --> 02:28:20,420
shape the format of our discussion.

1878
02:28:21,380 --> 02:28:28,020
We did cover things as beautification, parking, events, crowding, and overgrowth.

1879
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:38,560
Also presented at the beginning of the meeting was information about the DDA, what the DDA

1880
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:47,340
and it went through their budget. So for those of you who weren't there, I believe it is available online at the DDA's website.

1881
02:28:47,540 --> 02:28:58,060
You can see it there. And you should know also that they have the first budget public hearing on Monday, September 8th at 5 o'clock.

1882
02:28:58,600 --> 02:29:07,120
And then a second and final budget meeting Monday, September 12th at 5 o'clock. Both of those will be held here at the City Commission, I believe.

1883
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:15,180
I encourage you to do your due job diligence to go and watch the video of the town hall to

1884
02:29:15,180 --> 02:29:25,960
see the discussion by the residents that we had there and after that go through the

1885
02:29:25,960 --> 02:29:31,620
DDS website, look at what they've done, what they do, you'll see more information about

1886
02:29:31,620 --> 02:29:38,960
budget, do your due diligence, go here first, and then attend these meetings. One, or

1887
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:47,500
both be there, ask the questions that's the only way you as a citizen can feel satisfied

1888
02:29:47,500 --> 02:29:53,680
and you will walk away feeling satisfied. If you take the time and learn for yourself,

1889
02:29:54,180 --> 02:29:59,980
don't rely on social media and comments that are out there. Take it upon yourself.

1890
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:20,070
I hope to do the research. The DDA is what added to my success for being in our downtown for 20 years. I felt like they were a second partner for us and they helped me to succeed in my business. So, for that, I'm forever grateful.

1891
02:30:21,090 --> 02:30:22,210
Thank you very much.

1892
02:30:31,080 --> 02:30:35,760
Hello, my name is Rose Jackson, 318 Northwest, 12th Avenue.

1893
02:30:36,500 --> 02:30:40,860
I believe I'm here on a whole different subject as I were planned to.

1894
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:45,320
I had to change it because I have a situation where my property was vandalized.

1895
02:30:46,540 --> 02:30:56,000
And by city employee, by the name of Anthony Kirk, I have an iron gate and my backyard

1896
02:30:56,000 --> 02:31:02,220
and Anthony proceeds to put up the white gate cut a big hold in my

1897
02:31:02,220 --> 02:31:06,500
back gate on the only way we found out was that particular evening we went

1898
02:31:06,500 --> 02:31:13,880
to walk the puppy and it's just been a nightmare and I just just I'm reaching

1899
02:31:13,880 --> 02:31:19,300
for straws and I I know it's a legal issue but I feel that employee should help

1900
02:31:19,300 --> 02:31:24,680
be held at a highest standard you just don't go around cutting people's property

1901
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:30,560
You can do whatever you want in your yard, but when you come in my yard and damage my property

1902
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:37,060
Without communicating to me, that's a problem. That's a problem. And I can't get any help

1903
02:31:37,060 --> 02:31:41,480
And I believe the police department does a little bit more than they can actually do with this

1904
02:31:41,960 --> 02:31:44,560
I've had the police called on me twice by them

1905
02:31:45,260 --> 02:31:53,720
In the content that I threatened him now if you want to say stay out of my yard is a threat then it's a threat and I mean what I said

1906
02:31:55,120 --> 02:32:04,880
I pay for that fence. I pay property taxes where I live. I keep my property up. You do your yard and stay out of mine and that's one of my apps and I think I put a fall into

1907
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:14,180
The mayor's office and I'm still waiting on a call back from Captain Martinez. I believe and that's been like it with three days now and I just

1908
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:21,340
I just wanted to come here to let you know that you have a city employee. That's actually not a

1909
02:32:21,340 --> 02:32:30,260
standard and my view of the work ethic should be better. It should be much better. I just don't

1910
02:32:30,260 --> 02:32:35,540
understand how many think it's okay for them to walk into my backyard and just cut a section

1911
02:32:35,540 --> 02:32:42,140
out of my gate. A huge section to put up a fence that they didn't even get a permit for. And I didn't

1912
02:32:42,140 --> 02:32:46,720
cross those lines that I'm going deeper when I get a chance. Thank you all from this. Thank you very

1913
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:48,000
much more of the information.

1914
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:55,060
Towards law, 46 in Norse Latin.

1915
02:32:55,940 --> 02:33:01,580
The question is, is the F-D-O-T-W-R-O-N-G?

1916
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:02,820
That's wrong.

1917
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:05,140
That's wrong.

1918
02:33:05,140 --> 02:33:08,000
Anyway, I was wondering if they were not

1919
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:10,620
so I did a little research for a whole hour.

1920
02:33:11,340 --> 02:33:14,040
And one thing that's very obvious, and I would give you a reference

1921
02:33:14,040 --> 02:33:16,600
if anybody wants to Google this,

1922
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:23,420
Asphalt Art Safety Study, I Bloomberg Professional Services, it was mentioned earlier that

1923
02:33:23,420 --> 02:33:28,800
was a study done in Florida that said that these crosswalks actually increased safety.

1924
02:33:29,260 --> 02:33:30,260
This one goes further.

1925
02:33:30,440 --> 02:33:35,180
They do 17 different cities all throughout the United States, and if found this is just

1926
02:33:35,180 --> 02:33:36,960
actually even better than we're quoting earlier.

1927
02:33:38,740 --> 02:33:43,740
Also there's an article that just came before they saw in the Washington Post and Delray,

1928
02:33:43,740 --> 02:33:50,720
period and there we got a nice picture of our prior section and the thing that the

1929
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:54,860
article that I thought was interesting was that it pointed out that this is a

1930
02:33:54,860 --> 02:33:58,700
federal and this mentioned before a couple of times I know that it was going to

1931
02:33:58,700 --> 02:34:04,080
mention the night this all began in Washington with a federal directive and I'm

1932
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:09,040
pretty sure some state governors not ours of course are probably

1933
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:13,920
objecting to the suggestion from the federal government.

1934
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:17,940
So let's put some blame up there also if we're doing blame.

1935
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:25,120
The one thing that was brought up was kind of interesting that people were looking for

1936
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,600
some reason to say it's not safe.

1937
02:34:28,320 --> 02:34:34,240
And a couple of people, at least one, has mentioned what about these autonomous cars.

1938
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:42,560
driver driver this car is going to get confused. I'm really. We've got a four-way stop and you

1939
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:47,600
imagine a driver is car stopping and then waiting for somebody to walk in front of it and

1940
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:53,860
run over it. I don't see it, but if this is a concern, I believe it would be up to the

1941
02:34:53,860 --> 02:35:00,260
manufacturers of these cars to take on the responsibility and assure us we're not going to

1942
02:35:00,260 --> 02:35:02,900
be run over in the Pride Intersections,

1943
02:35:05,260 --> 02:35:07,760
because what's this, this applies to a lot.

1944
02:35:07,940 --> 02:35:14,520
These things will stop, I would call very early as this, and it's in such a floor to

1945
02:35:14,520 --> 02:35:20,240
where one of these Jarvis cars ran across some checker plate on the road, and they just

1946
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:26,420
stop people crushed into them, but anyway, and also there is a big difference between

1947
02:35:26,420 --> 02:35:32,600
the asphalt art as, well, this is more important

1948
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:34,040
actually the cultural aspect.

1949
02:35:35,400 --> 02:35:37,760
But painting a, I think if you look real hard

1950
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:40,400
and that I couldn't find it when I came back

1951
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:44,220
and that chapter 18 of the Green Book changes,

1952
02:35:45,100 --> 02:35:50,500
there was some warning in there about if the art,

1953
02:35:50,620 --> 02:35:54,100
possibly, and this is probably not right,

1954
02:35:54,100 --> 02:36:01,700
If it's increasing the safety, then it's not really all that bad, it's actually good.

1955
02:36:02,140 --> 02:36:08,980
So I'm just wondering about exploring what you could put in the actual crosswalks if you have

1956
02:36:08,980 --> 02:36:11,140
to take out the intersection.

1957
02:36:11,960 --> 02:36:15,700
And I say, I think the intersection in there, like it is, but I mean, it's also a good

1958
02:36:15,700 --> 02:36:16,060
situation.

1959
02:36:16,360 --> 02:36:16,940
Thank you.

1960
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:17,840
Thank you Mr. Long.

1961
02:36:23,300 --> 02:36:26,480
My name is Irene Slovan, I live at 1325,

1962
02:36:26,620 --> 02:36:29,240
Fischtel Pland Court, Del Rey Beach.

1963
02:36:30,040 --> 02:36:32,820
I've had my place for 20 years,

1964
02:36:33,180 --> 02:36:34,820
first it was my second home,

1965
02:36:35,080 --> 02:36:36,540
and now it's my primary residence.

1966
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:39,940
I'm a lesbian woman, and I was at the ribbon-cutting

1967
02:36:39,940 --> 02:36:42,940
ceremony for the Rainbow Crosswalk in 2021,

1968
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:46,560
and I even saved a piece of the Rainbow Ribbon from that ceremony.

1969
02:36:47,500 --> 02:36:50,980
Every year my partner and I take pictures at that crosswalk.

1970
02:36:50,980 --> 02:36:55,840
I've traveled the world and I take pictures of rainbow crosswalks everywhere we go.

1971
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:58,300
It makes me feel welcome and included.

1972
02:36:59,320 --> 02:37:05,220
Also, the rainbow crosswalk here in Del Rey is probably the most beautiful I've seen anywhere.

1973
02:37:06,300 --> 02:37:13,760
If you choose to erase our crosswalk, you will never erase our memories or who we are.

1974
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:18,420
I ask you to fight and if we lose, find an alternative.

1975
02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:21,420
It means too much to too many people.

1976
02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:23,540
Thank you very much.

1977
02:37:29,220 --> 02:37:30,260
Good to see you again, Rand.

1978
02:37:30,380 --> 02:37:31,280
Good to see you.

1979
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:33,240
Hope everything's been going well.

1980
02:37:33,260 --> 02:37:34,400
Oh, another day in Paris.

1981
02:37:36,540 --> 02:37:37,880
We're currently commissioners.

1982
02:37:37,900 --> 02:37:42,420
My name is Rand Hawke, and I serve as president of the Palm Beach County Human Rights Council.

1983
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:51,520
We are Florida's oldest independent nonpartisan political organization dedicated to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation

1984
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:53,740
and gender identity expression.

1985
02:37:55,360 --> 02:37:57,920
Local government is closest to the people,

1986
02:37:58,320 --> 02:38:01,120
and I commend you all for your public service.

1987
02:38:01,700 --> 02:38:04,740
The actions you take affect your residents

1988
02:38:04,740 --> 02:38:08,500
much more than the actions taken by state and federal government.

1989
02:38:09,460 --> 02:38:13,480
Yet, state officials continue to chip away at home rule.

1990
02:38:14,320 --> 02:38:18,680
This administration's directive to destroy the pride streetscape

1991
02:38:18,680 --> 02:38:27,280
is one more unfunded mandate infringing on your rights to determine what is best for the city of Del Rey Beach.

1992
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:33,800
The streetscape was not the initiative of the LGBTQ Plus community.

1993
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:47,620
Former Vice Mayor Ryan Boyle and former Mayor Shelley Petroleum wanted to create a permanent display of public art to memorialize the queer community.

1994
02:38:47,620 --> 02:38:55,680
And they made sure the streetscape was paid for by the PBCHRC Foundation and the AIDS healthcare

1995
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:59,600
Foundation, not the taxpayers of Del Ray Beach.

1996
02:39:01,740 --> 02:39:07,360
Florida has serious problems such as the high cost of housing and insurance, low teacher

1997
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:09,760
pay and the lack of access to healthcare.

1998
02:39:10,340 --> 02:39:14,980
So why is this administration focused on marginalizing minorities?

1999
02:39:14,980 --> 02:39:20,140
Del Rey Beach and other Florida cities are being extorted.

2000
02:39:21,000 --> 02:39:27,720
You have been told that unless queer art is removed at your expense, the administration

2001
02:39:27,720 --> 02:39:35,040
will withhold millions of dollars in transportation funds needed to repair our aging infrastructure.

2002
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:44,180
Florida law prohibits individuals from defacing Confederate monuments so that our horrific

2003
02:39:44,180 --> 02:39:52,520
part of our history will be preserved. At the same time the state is requiring municipalities

2004
02:39:53,050 --> 02:40:02,400
to destroy queer public art in attempt to erase our community. That is not going to happen.

2005
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:13,580
We are here, we are queer, and Tallahassee get over it.

2006
02:40:17,370 --> 02:40:18,530
We greatly appreciate,

2007
02:40:22,030 --> 02:40:22,030
we would greatly

2008
02:40:22,030 --> 02:40:29,290
straight of hearing on September 2nd to uphold home rule and preserve the Del Rey Beach Pride

2009
02:40:29,290 --> 02:40:37,050
Intersection. While West Palm Beach will now power-wise its Pride Crosswalks, and

2010
02:40:37,050 --> 02:40:43,030
tells you for two maybe 30 seconds great. While West Palm Beach will power-wash its Pride Crosswalks,

2011
02:40:43,210 --> 02:40:50,210
its refurbishing a park using bricks in pride, flag, colors to memorialize the gay community.

2012
02:40:51,230 --> 02:40:56,610
While Boing Beach has already painted over their private streetscape, the city has stated

2013
02:40:56,610 --> 02:41:02,630
that it is committed to finding ways to honor our community and will consider other memorial

2014
02:41:02,630 --> 02:41:03,370
options.

2015
02:41:04,670 --> 02:41:09,550
In the event, you decide not to move forward with the administrative hearings to protect

2016
02:41:09,550 --> 02:41:11,970
home rule and the pride intersection.

2017
02:41:11,970 --> 02:41:19,150
We ask that you join the other Palm Beach County cities to find a way, perhaps a mural.

2018
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:27,770
To utilize local artists to permanently memorialize the achievements of the Del Rey Beach LGBTQ plus community.

2019
02:41:28,530 --> 02:41:29,010
Thank you.

2020
02:41:29,770 --> 02:41:30,550
Thank you very much.

2021
02:41:30,830 --> 02:41:31,310
You're welcome.

2022
02:41:36,820 --> 02:41:38,020
Good evening everybody.

2023
02:41:38,500 --> 02:41:39,020
Thank you.

2024
02:41:39,020 --> 02:41:46,360
Sandy's elder 209 Northwest 12th Street, I didn't intend really to address any of these issues,

2025
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:55,020
particularly the crosswalk issue until I came here and heard all of the comments which are

2026
02:41:55,020 --> 02:42:06,320
very moving. My question to the commission is, what if the state, what if the

2027
02:42:06,320 --> 02:42:12,560
trust said to Delray Beach, we don't like your Christmas tree, we think it's too high, we

2028
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:20,840
think it's a non-safe physical barrier, we don't like your menorah people could get burnt by

2029
02:42:20,840 --> 02:42:27,480
the candles or the lights or whatever else. Would you even consider the stupidity of that request?

2030
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:30,820
But that's where this falls as far as I'm concerned.

2031
02:42:32,940 --> 02:42:43,480
So I think this commission, if it means fighting the state on an issue, this is an issue that's worth fighting and standing up for,

2032
02:42:44,540 --> 02:42:51,940
as would be the elimination of that Christmas tree, the elimination of the maneuver.

2033
02:42:51,940 --> 02:43:00,160
and if they said that they didn't like the 4th of July celebration you need to eliminate that I think that would be worth

2034
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:05,500
standing up for so let's just do what's right thank you

2035
02:43:11,460 --> 02:43:13,960
public comment is now closed the time having

2036
02:43:13,960 --> 02:43:15,380
expired for

2037
02:43:18,380 --> 02:43:21,900
a little bit or done that before and then we found out that this is great.

2038
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:33,700
We now have to be on an emotion to approve the consent agenda as well.

2039
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:35,660
It was been amended but I need emotional approval.

2040
02:43:35,860 --> 02:43:37,420
Some of.

2041
02:43:38,200 --> 02:43:38,760
Second.

2042
02:43:39,220 --> 02:43:40,260
The great all in favor?

2043
02:43:40,760 --> 02:43:40,820
Aye.

2044
02:43:40,840 --> 02:43:41,500
Any opposed?

2045
02:43:42,380 --> 02:43:42,600
Okay.

2046
02:43:43,060 --> 02:43:45,240
We are moving on to seven.

2047
02:43:45,240 --> 02:43:52,100
A A which is the trap control device not compliance. We moved them seven H to now

2048
02:43:53,000 --> 02:43:53,480
the

2049
02:43:53,480 --> 02:43:59,960
Seven A A and I'm gonna turn this over to Mr. Moore is your list should hear as the person doing the intro

2050
02:43:59,960 --> 02:44:05,280
So yeah, you're on. Thank you. We want to wait 20 seconds while everybody leaves. Yes

2051
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:12,720
For those of you who came to speak about this issue, we're gonna be talking about it and a few seconds

2052
02:44:13,820 --> 02:44:16,660
That's why I moved it up so you guys could stick around for it

2053
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:19,980
Okay, so that was confusing.

2054
02:44:20,400 --> 02:44:21,640
Just so it can

2055
02:44:26,760 --> 02:44:27,220
be, how fine.

2056
02:44:29,580 --> 02:44:34,000
For a little game to talk about the, the pride intersection we will.

2057
02:44:34,040 --> 02:44:35,760
That's what we're going to be discussing right now folks.

2058
02:44:36,220 --> 02:44:36,740
There won't be any comment.

2059
02:44:37,280 --> 02:44:38,180
There won't be any more comment.

2060
02:44:41,910 --> 02:44:42,610
Okay, let's go.

2061
02:44:42,930 --> 02:44:43,410
Item seven.

2062
02:44:43,790 --> 02:44:43,970
A.A.

2063
02:44:45,390 --> 02:44:46,270
Mr. Mr. Moore.

2064
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:47,150
Thank you.

2065
02:44:49,150 --> 02:44:54,470
Ladies and gentlemen, my interest is to offer a summary in terms of why we are,

2066
02:44:54,470 --> 02:44:57,670
where we are specifically as a relates to the city of Bayre Beach, Florida.

2067
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:59,970
as well as some context in terms.

2068
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,020
So what issues and potential impacts that might be experienced as a result? First of all, I think it's important to

2069
02:45:08,020 --> 02:45:14,600
underscore that the overall goal and objective, I think, is to not only offer that background and

2070
02:45:14,600 --> 02:45:23,000
clarification, but to also enable the city, the city commission to offer a path forward in terms of other

2071
02:45:23,000 --> 02:45:30,780
opportunities in which we can make available to offer gestures and expressions of being a

2072
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:35,980
welcome community as a city of Del Rey Beach has for quite some time, because quite frankly,

2073
02:45:36,020 --> 02:45:42,360
given the directives at the state of Florida level, we are in an environment whereby we do have

2074
02:45:42,360 --> 02:45:46,960
to take due consideration relative to the directives having come down the pike.

2075
02:45:47,740 --> 02:45:53,160
Interestingly enough, I've been questioned about this by a couple like the officials

2076
02:45:53,160 --> 02:45:58,680
individually, however I did, but I could to update the Board of Directors as the city

2077
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:06,020
commission as to why we are where we are with respect to the need to address the crosswalk

2078
02:46:06,020 --> 02:46:12,720
intersection. Interestingly enough, a principal specific question that I experienced was

2079
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:19,220
The very first written communication at the city of Derray Beach received with respect to any direction to

2080
02:46:19,960 --> 02:46:22,620
Proceed with the removal of the crosswalk.

2081
02:46:23,140 --> 02:46:30,900
The city of Derray Beach did not actually specifically receive its own direct communication until four days ago,

2082
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:34,320
that being Friday, August 15, 2025.

2083
02:46:34,900 --> 02:46:37,280
However, on Monday, June 30,

2084
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:39,360
2025

2085
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:48,380
The Florida Department of Transportation did distribute a warning communication, if you will, to all cities in general,

2086
02:46:49,640 --> 02:46:56,900
outlining the direction to remove colored intersections, colored right-of-way areas, etc.

2087
02:46:57,580 --> 02:47:02,000
However, that was not specific to any particular city. It was to all municipalities.

2088
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:08,940
soon thereafter that did necessitate a administrative and legal review as to what our

2089
02:47:08,940 --> 02:47:16,280
obligations are in this regard. Initially, the thinking was because it was a local intersection

2090
02:47:16,280 --> 02:47:23,860
and not a street designated intersection. There may be some ability to be that have that under

2091
02:47:23,860 --> 02:47:30,060
consideration and not necessarily having to respond. However, further analysis indicated that we

2092
02:47:30,900 --> 02:47:36,620
obligated to achieve some sense of compliance in that regard and soon thereafter I did share

2093
02:47:36,620 --> 02:47:41,780
with the city commission about thoughts and strategies as to how we were respond accordingly.

2094
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:49,420
So of course last week the discussion was offered by the city commission with respect to any specific

2095
02:47:49,420 --> 02:47:53,200
formal notification from a Florida Department of Transportation,

2096
02:47:53,960 --> 02:47:59,200
meanwhile less sit tight in terms of proceeding with any direction so that was the outcome

2097
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:05,840
we could go three days later as I stated a little while ago, August 15, 2025, a order

2098
02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:10,460
was sent directly to the office of the city manager, essentially mandating when we're

2099
02:48:10,460 --> 02:48:16,360
directing that we perceive with the removal of the crosswalk color, as well as the fact

2100
02:48:16,360 --> 02:48:21,920
that we have a deadline of September 3rd in which to do so. So, of course, I immediately

2101
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:26,780
shared that with the city commission because that being again, the direct immediate

2102
02:48:26,780 --> 02:48:31,760
communication to the city of Derray Beach regarding expectations being made available in every

2103
02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:32,620
guard.

2104
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:38,920
So the inclination at that point was to proceed with some form of follow-up review and analysis in terms

2105
02:48:38,920 --> 02:48:43,240
of what the impacts might be to the city of Derray Beach if we were proceeded in this regard.

2106
02:48:44,400 --> 02:48:51,940
A big part of that analysis or thought process, ladies and gentlemen, incorporated any considerations to offer other

2107
02:48:51,940 --> 02:48:58,120
gestures of appreciation and welcome. And frankly, I would like to ask us to focus in every

2108
02:48:58,120 --> 02:49:03,420
guard because I will be prepared to offer some considerations at the very next city commission

2109
02:49:03,420 --> 02:49:08,800
meeting in terms of what that might look like. The next regular city commission meeting will be

2110
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:15,680
September 3rd, 2025, which is two weeks from tomorrow. So working closely with the city commission,

2111
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:21,500
I think that would be an appropriate opportunity to come up with ways in which we can get to the

2112
02:49:21,500 --> 02:49:28,680
place possible without having to be subjected to any issues or challenges being directed at the state

2113
02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:36,700
level. Of course, part of the communication of August 15, 2025 touched on potential financial impacts

2114
02:49:36,700 --> 02:49:44,300
to the city of Del Rey Beach if we were to remain non-compliant if you will. Likewise, I work with

2115
02:49:44,300 --> 02:49:48,240
all departments to the Department of Finance, notably the Department of Public Works to evaluate

2116
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:53,600
what that looks like. And so this, ladies and gentlemen, the city of Derray Beach over the

2117
02:49:53,600 --> 02:49:58,600
last several years, at least, have enjoyed a very productive working relationship with the

2118
02:49:58,600 --> 02:50:03,180
Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the Florida Department of Transportation

2119
02:50:03,180 --> 02:50:08,960
relative to securing various funding agreements for the implementation of numerous projects and

2120
02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:15,700
programs that are currently underway. The city of Derray Beach has existing funding agreements involving

2121
02:50:15,700 --> 02:50:21,840
the state of Florida totaling 60,266,000,000,000 and 50 cents.

2122
02:50:22,460 --> 02:50:23,920
We're very accurate in our calculations.

2123
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:29,920
Grants and allocations to the fact are divided among a variety of programs with the Florida

2124
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:33,340
Department of Environmental Protection and the Florida Department of Transportation.

2125
02:50:34,860 --> 02:50:40,700
Up this 60,000 dollar and change amount, Florida Department of Environmental Protection

2126
02:50:40,700 --> 02:50:49,340
grants provide $39,190,744 in 50 cents that are utilized as part of our beach shore protection

2127
02:50:49,340 --> 02:50:53,980
projects and funding assistance, as well as stormwater management projects through the resilient

2128
02:50:53,980 --> 02:50:59,760
floor of the program and the water and spring restoration program. As far as the floor of the

2129
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:07,680
Department of Transportation grants in the amount of $21,075,282 for mobility improvements including

2130
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:12,820
roadway sidewalk, lighting improvements through the local agency grant program, and

2131
02:51:12,820 --> 02:51:16,460
minister in coordination with Palm Beach County Transportation Planning Agency.

2132
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:23,520
These dollars, which are very significant to the city of Diori Beach, are passed through via

2133
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:24,720
the Florida Highway Administration.

2134
02:51:25,260 --> 02:51:29,960
So there is a direct connection at the federal level in terms of how this work and why we

2135
02:51:29,960 --> 02:51:30,860
are where we are.

2136
02:51:32,120 --> 02:51:36,080
Part of the analysis, ladies and gentlemen, did take on the consideration, will Terrence

2137
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:42,440
set to myself. And what way would the city of Derrey Beach have the ability to offset or make up

2138
02:51:42,440 --> 02:51:47,880
for any potential loss of funding or any other adverse impacts that come down the pike? And

2139
02:51:47,880 --> 02:51:52,820
answer to that affect ladies and gentlemen to the commission. And quite frankly to the public,

2140
02:51:53,320 --> 02:52:00,660
it's none. That is nil. Therefore, professionally, I don't believe the city of Derrey Beach

2141
02:52:00,660 --> 02:52:06,520
has much choice at all. What you do have a choice, and I look at the City Commission, as well as

2142
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:12,360
we're going to close with staff, is the think of ways in which we can offer some other form

2143
02:52:12,360 --> 02:52:19,020
of a welcoming gesture and appreciation for the diversity of community that has been made

2144
02:52:19,020 --> 02:52:24,620
available here in the city of Derrie Beach, Florida. So likewise, ladies and gentlemen, that is where we are.

2145
02:52:25,620 --> 02:52:30,460
Where do we go from here? The capacity to proceed at administratively

2146
02:52:30,460 --> 02:52:36,080
does exist. As referenced in the top of my PowerPoint presentation, it is an approximately

2147
02:52:36,080 --> 02:52:42,600
$12,000 project for a Sam blasting alternative, which can actually be initiated sometime

2148
02:52:42,600 --> 02:52:47,700
next week and it will take about one to two days to complete. Again, we have to prepare accordingly,

2149
02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:54,440
this is where we are, and given the current momentum relative to numerous projects and programs

2150
02:52:54,440 --> 02:52:59,020
in collaboration with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the Florida Department

2151
02:52:59,020 --> 02:53:04,600
of transportation of which all involved has worked extremely hard to cultivate those relationships

2152
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:10,080
and yield significant outcomes that otherwise may not have become possible is something

2153
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:18,700
worthy of consideration and serious thought. Likewise, I will be happy to offer recommendations

2154
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:27,060
or suggestions as to how we can keep offering gestures of support. A physical presence of

2155
02:53:27,060 --> 02:53:30,640
welcome without compromising ourselves in our manner that we

2156
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:33,860
had currently face. So with that ladies and gentlemen,

2157
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:37,640
specifically, Mayor and city commission, that is where we are,

2158
02:53:37,860 --> 02:53:40,820
and I hope that does provide a great deal of clarity and context in

2159
02:53:40,820 --> 02:53:44,820
terms of why we have to take the matter seriously. Thank you.

2160
02:53:45,740 --> 02:53:47,840
Mayor, if I may. Yes, thank you, Mr. Law.

2161
02:53:49,580 --> 02:53:55,480
Thank you, Mr. Moore. But respectfully, I'm not going to focus my commentary on

2162
02:53:55,480 --> 02:54:05,660
Consiliatory gesture at this point given that there is still an option in front of us and an option offered to us by the FDOT to go to an administrative hearing.

2163
02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:19,200
I think we would be remiss to not have a discussion, we'd be remiss to not have a discussion about pursuing that option before we pivot to a Consiliatory gesture.

2164
02:54:19,620 --> 02:54:25,300
So first of all, I don't think I've ever seen this many people show up to Adobe Beach Commission meetings.

2165
02:54:26,120 --> 02:54:31,060
So, and for those of you who came from out of town or don't tune in often, welcome to the jungle.

2166
02:54:31,400 --> 02:54:33,880
You came on an exciting night up here.

2167
02:54:34,780 --> 02:54:35,820
And so I hope you weren't bored.

2168
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:36,600
I don't think you would be.

2169
02:54:37,260 --> 02:54:38,980
So, I want to thank you guys.

2170
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:43,380
I want to thank everyone who came out tonight and had the courage to speak on this issue.

2171
02:54:48,580 --> 02:54:55,000
Hearing your words reminds us isn't just about paint on pavers, it's about people, it's about

2172
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:59,920
the longing, and the kind of community we choose to be in Delray Beach.

2173
02:55:01,220 --> 02:55:05,620
So have we get here, and terrorists provide a great sort of review, but I'm going to still

2174
02:55:05,620 --> 02:55:06,800
go into it a little bit.

2175
02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:13,720
So on June 30th, F.D.A.A. issued the statewide memorandum warning cities that painted intersections

2176
02:55:13,720 --> 02:55:16,360
and decorative crosswalks were out of compliance.

2177
02:55:17,760 --> 02:55:18,480
But let's be clear.

2178
02:55:19,820 --> 02:55:20,880
No law was changed.

2179
02:55:21,740 --> 02:55:23,060
No bill was passed.

2180
02:55:23,640 --> 02:55:27,800
F got simply decided to interpret, reinterpret the rules,

2181
02:55:28,180 --> 02:55:31,800
and suddenly declare our pride intersection as a legal.

2182
02:55:32,220 --> 02:55:34,740
Despite the fact has been in place for years without issue.

2183
02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:37,400
And while the legislature did pass,

2184
02:55:37,520 --> 02:55:39,960
Senate Bill 1662, which is alluded to earlier,

2185
02:55:40,520 --> 02:55:42,880
this year, that law didn't ban decorative intersections.

2186
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:45,260
or change the federal standards.

2187
02:55:46,100 --> 02:55:50,140
At DOT is acting entirely on its own reinterpretation.

2188
02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:59,240
So then on July 23rd, our city manager informed us that an administrative decision had been made to remove the intersection without this commission's approval.

2189
02:55:59,400 --> 02:56:01,560
And I don't blame the city manager or our staff.

2190
02:56:02,280 --> 02:56:06,320
Their job is to protect this city from risk and they do a great job of that.

2191
02:56:06,620 --> 02:56:08,320
But our job is different.

2192
02:56:08,820 --> 02:56:09,840
Our charge is different.

2193
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:12,520
We're here to represent Del Rey Beach residents.

2194
02:56:19,870 --> 02:56:26,090
So at a meeting here last week, I asked for a consensus to hold off and to left dot gave us formal notice.

2195
02:56:27,070 --> 02:56:32,970
For days later, on August 15th, we got that notice in writing from F.D.S. District Secretary.

2196
02:56:34,230 --> 02:56:39,970
And we should all up here and out here be outraged at what it said.

2197
02:56:40,670 --> 02:56:52,770
Quote, if the pavement markings are not removed by September 3rd, 2025, the Florida Department of Transportation will remove them by any appropriate method necessary without further notice and quote.

2198
02:56:54,130 --> 02:57:06,090
So, if we don't comply, the state says it will march into our city onto our city-owned and city-maintained streets, and destroy one of our symbols of community, then bill us for it.

2199
02:57:06,090 --> 02:57:10,330
And if we resist, they'll withhold state funds.

2200
02:57:11,390 --> 02:57:13,330
This isn't a notice. It's an ultimatum.

2201
02:57:14,590 --> 02:57:17,590
For state agency to announce they will destroy something,

2202
02:57:18,170 --> 02:57:19,430
we lawfully installed.

2203
02:57:21,070 --> 02:57:24,090
Without our consent, isn't just government overreach.

2204
02:57:24,590 --> 02:57:26,810
It's trespass, destruction of property,

2205
02:57:27,230 --> 02:57:31,810
and an unlawful use of the authority we as elected government

2206
02:57:31,810 --> 02:57:33,550
were elected to exercise.

2207
02:57:39,780 --> 02:57:44,960
This is one of the most extreme abuses of power I've ever faced up here.

2208
02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:47,260
So why does this matter?

2209
02:57:48,940 --> 02:57:50,820
You guys said it pretty well, frankly.

2210
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:54,040
It's worth remembering we didn't go looking for this.

2211
02:57:54,080 --> 02:57:56,080
We didn't go picking a fight with Tallahassee.

2212
02:57:56,200 --> 02:57:57,600
We're down here on my own business.

2213
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:01,820
Our intersection has been federally compliant for years,

2214
02:58:01,860 --> 02:58:03,100
and it still is by the way.

2215
02:58:03,120 --> 02:58:04,300
And I'll get to that.

2216
02:58:04,440 --> 02:58:07,380
And now the state is threatening to erase it.

2217
02:58:07,380 --> 02:58:09,500
That's not just heavy handed it's intimidation.

2218
02:58:10,800 --> 02:58:15,600
I understand why some might say we should just comply and avoid the risk to our funding.

2219
02:58:16,120 --> 02:58:22,180
It's a fair point, but how much are we willing to be pushed to stray away from our city's values?

2220
02:58:23,480 --> 02:58:26,120
What if next time, it's our historic districts.

2221
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:28,620
They're already threatened by the Live Local Act,

2222
02:58:29,100 --> 02:58:32,620
which overrides local zoning and strips away our ability to protect our neighborhoods.

2223
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:36,600
What if they decide to shut down our MLK March?

2224
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:41,580
We're saying we can't light them in aura or put up 100 for Christmas tree anymore.

2225
02:58:42,760 --> 02:58:47,960
It sounds outrageous, but the legislature has already tried to dismantle our CRA,

2226
02:58:47,980 --> 02:58:52,640
attack public arts funding, and limit our ability to regulate sober homes.

2227
02:58:53,120 --> 02:58:56,480
All these bills nearly passed last session and they will be back.

2228
02:58:57,440 --> 02:59:01,760
In today's climate, even discussing diversity and equity has become so charged,

2229
02:59:02,400 --> 02:59:06,420
we haven't been able to talk about the disparity study we've paid to conduct.

2230
02:59:06,420 --> 02:59:10,180
And that's the kind of chilling effect that we're up against.

2231
02:59:12,120 --> 02:59:13,600
So I'm going to take this a step further.

2232
02:59:14,740 --> 02:59:18,480
FDOT's directive isn't just overreach, it's contrary to federal law.

2233
02:59:19,440 --> 02:59:24,840
The 11th edition of the Federal Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices Effective January

2234
02:59:25,660 --> 02:59:31,520
1824, explicitly allows decorative pavement markings in intersection art, as long as they

2235
02:59:31,520 --> 02:59:40,000
obscure official controls. By law, under Florida statutes, 3-16-0-745, FDOT must adopt a

2236
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:45,500
uniform system of traffic control devices, called consistent with the system, adopted by the

2237
02:59:45,500 --> 02:59:50,260
Federal Highway Administration, M-QOT, and contained in the M-UTCD. That means under Federal

2238
02:59:50,260 --> 02:59:58,240
Rule, which is a controlling rule, and it supports us. Do not obscure official signals. Do not

2239
02:59:58,240 --> 02:59:59,640
Create Driver Confusion.

2240
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,760
FDOT's stricter position is an overstep of their authority and an unlawful attempt to impose a standard beyond what federal law requires.

2241
03:00:08,940 --> 03:00:20,940
This is exactly why we need to pursue an administrative hearing. FDOT's own letter outlines that right, though it also makes very clear, won't allow exemptions or waverstacking the deck against cities.

2242
03:00:20,940 --> 03:00:26,760
That makes it all the more important we take this challenge as far as it can go.

2243
03:00:27,080 --> 03:00:28,600
Then we'll discuss all four minutes.

2244
03:00:34,200 --> 03:00:35,260
So what's its stake?

2245
03:00:35,980 --> 03:00:38,400
The Pride Intersection is not a safety risk.

2246
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:39,720
We know that.

2247
03:00:39,780 --> 03:00:41,780
It's not a driving hazard or danger to anyone.

2248
03:00:42,000 --> 03:00:44,500
It's simply a symbol of love of belonging.

2249
03:00:45,320 --> 03:00:48,120
And remembering those we lost after senseless violence

2250
03:00:48,120 --> 03:00:50,320
at a pulse nightclub in Orlando.

2251
03:00:50,660 --> 03:00:53,200
It's a joyful reminder that love is love

2252
03:00:53,200 --> 03:00:55,760
and that in Del Rey Beach, you are seen and accepted.

2253
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:05,100
This state's demand has no grounding in safety, law, or fairness.

2254
03:01:05,620 --> 03:01:11,100
It's rooted in culture wars that do nothing to make our city stronger, safer, or better.

2255
03:01:13,930 --> 03:01:14,530
Almost not.

2256
03:01:16,120 --> 03:01:17,460
And it's bigger than one intersection.

2257
03:01:18,480 --> 03:01:22,820
It's about whether Del Rey governs itself, or whether Tallahassee can invade our streets,

2258
03:01:23,580 --> 03:01:25,380
erase our culture and dictate our future.

2259
03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:31,580
Other cities, Orlando, St. Pete, Key West to name a few have said enough is enough.

2260
03:01:33,400 --> 03:01:39,460
We've led before, in Del Rey Beach, when we took on PFAS, for instance, our leadership

2261
03:01:39,460 --> 03:01:44,840
along with a rock star city attorney helps secure billions in settlement, statewide, and

2262
03:01:44,840 --> 03:01:46,280
windfall for our residents.

2263
03:01:46,900 --> 03:01:48,500
This is another moment to lead.

2264
03:01:49,180 --> 03:01:51,320
Other cities are watching what we do.

2265
03:01:51,320 --> 03:01:56,480
Key West got the same notice we did, and they are already pursuing the administrative hearing.

2266
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:01,440
The decision before, as a simple, my opinion,

2267
03:02:02,220 --> 03:02:07,460
do we quietly comply and allow the stage to erase a piece of our culture

2268
03:02:07,460 --> 03:02:10,660
or do we hold the line against this incursion?

2269
03:02:16,200 --> 03:02:20,240
This is about standing up for our residents, our values, and our right to self-govern.

2270
03:02:21,080 --> 03:02:25,360
I'm asking this commission for consensus to request an administrative hearing

2271
03:02:25,360 --> 03:02:29,220
hearing per the option outlined in the F. Dot letter. Thank you.

2272
03:02:35,900 --> 03:02:42,640
Commissioner Cassal. Thank you. And I appreciate what you're saying, Rob, and I, and I, and I,

2273
03:02:42,680 --> 03:02:48,440
I assure your view and a lot of what you're saying, but when I look at the number, 60 million,

2274
03:02:49,740 --> 03:02:57,380
266,000, 26,000, 26 dollars, and 50 cents. And that doesn't include, excuse me, money we may need

2275
03:02:57,380 --> 03:03:02,580
from FEMA. That's just what we currently expect to get, not what we may need in the future.

2276
03:03:03,880 --> 03:03:03,880
Now,

2277
03:03:06,050 --> 03:03:13,250
Julie resident, grab your sign and fight. Julie commissioner has to look out for the

2278
03:03:13,250 --> 03:03:21,110
entire city as a whole. And I sat up here, Mr. Franklin as well. We implemented the crosswalk,

2279
03:03:21,110 --> 03:03:30,270
Adam Frankl, Commissioner Frankl was here, Mayor Shelley Petroleum, Julie Casal, Shirley Johnson, Ryan Boylston.

2280
03:03:31,050 --> 03:03:36,430
We did it and we were very proud of that moment. It was exciting for everybody.

2281
03:03:36,690 --> 03:03:43,470
We are an inclusive city that doesn't change. If we move the Pride Crosswalk to the sidewalk,

2282
03:03:43,470 --> 03:03:52,530
It old school square. That's our property. Maybe we can do that paint the whole old school square in a rainbow and

2283
03:03:53,850 --> 03:03:57,850
Because listen we know we could sit here and say well

2284
03:03:58,630 --> 03:04:04,660
If we poke the bear, are they going to take the money? I would say to you. That's a really good chance

2285
03:04:05,090 --> 03:04:11,530
And you've resigned. You're not going to be here next year. I still live in this city and it's going to be part of my district

2286
03:04:11,530 --> 03:04:17,610
So that's not it. Okay, but you, you're reviving and we'll be taking care. Thank you.

2287
03:04:17,750 --> 03:04:23,070
We'll be handling the budget shortfall of over $60 million if that happens.

2288
03:04:23,370 --> 03:04:31,850
And I want to remind people of something. If I may, there are other things to consider that are critically important.

2289
03:04:32,750 --> 03:04:36,230
We had a very quiet situation going on in Del Rey.

2290
03:04:36,230 --> 03:04:54,090
We were protecting our Haitian population, and now we do have reports that ICE is in town, a friend of mine sent me a photo from an area off of Lenton Avenue, because we've drawn attention to ourselves. Instead of flying under the radar. Yes, we have.

2291
03:04:54,090 --> 03:04:54,810
That's a reach.

2292
03:04:54,950 --> 03:04:55,910
That's a reach.

2293
03:04:56,090 --> 03:04:56,930
That's a reach.

2294
03:04:57,010 --> 03:04:57,990
We're all over the news.

2295
03:04:58,390 --> 03:04:59,910
Over the United States.

2296
03:05:01,250 --> 03:05:01,430
Order.

2297
03:05:01,730 --> 03:05:02,930
Thank you very much, Mayor.

2298
03:05:03,690 --> 03:05:09,410
We have also other people in the community that we need to protect.

2299
03:05:09,870 --> 03:05:10,950
All of our nonprofits.

2300
03:05:11,330 --> 03:05:14,090
The Arts Garage does a ton of programming.

2301
03:05:14,590 --> 03:05:16,390
They have lost their funding.

2302
03:05:16,770 --> 03:05:18,590
They are looking to us for funding.

2303
03:05:19,050 --> 03:05:23,330
If we don't have money, we can't give it to our nonprofits.

2304
03:05:23,330 --> 03:05:30,250
profits. I think it's critically important that we keep the inclusion. I think the idea of moving

2305
03:05:30,250 --> 03:05:39,990
it is a great idea so that we don't lose unnecessary funding of over $60 million. I'm not happy

2306
03:05:39,990 --> 03:05:45,630
about this. This isn't a great decision. This is a hard decision. This is a challenging job you

2307
03:05:45,630 --> 03:05:53,770
to do when you sit up here, but our general fund budget is about 180 million dollars and that's

2308
03:05:53,770 --> 03:06:00,170
half of it. So where are we going to get the money? And that's just the bottom line question.

2309
03:06:00,610 --> 03:06:12,310
I'm going to add something real quick. So by taking the option that the F DOT has offered us as the next

2310
03:06:12,310 --> 03:06:17,310
$60 million from us for simply requesting an administrative hearing.

2311
03:06:17,690 --> 03:06:19,870
It's not $60 million, guys.

2312
03:06:19,930 --> 03:06:22,290
I mean, or $439 million, whatever the number of it.

2313
03:06:22,290 --> 03:06:25,210
As an all-up, baby, it's way north of there.

2314
03:06:26,190 --> 03:06:28,370
Regardless, there's no evidence.

2315
03:06:28,370 --> 03:06:29,350
There's no evidence.

2316
03:06:29,510 --> 03:06:30,510
There's no evidence.

2317
03:06:30,510 --> 03:06:30,650
There's no evidence.

2318
03:06:30,830 --> 03:06:31,590
There's no evidence.

2319
03:06:31,590 --> 03:06:37,250
That by simply going to the hearing, the option that they offered us to make them explain

2320
03:06:37,250 --> 03:06:37,810
their position.

2321
03:06:37,850 --> 03:06:42,170
It strictly says if we're uncooperative, why I'm not suggesting we go

2322
03:06:42,170 --> 03:06:45,030
set up barricades in the intersection, right?

2323
03:06:45,530 --> 03:06:49,330
I'm suggesting that we take the next step of the process

2324
03:06:49,330 --> 03:06:51,430
that they offered us.

2325
03:06:51,650 --> 03:06:51,890
Period.

2326
03:06:52,690 --> 03:06:58,570
As a lawyer, as a lawyer, and not one who is please one

2327
03:06:58,570 --> 03:07:00,810
on TV, Mr. West, but as a lawyer.

2328
03:07:02,810 --> 03:07:06,330
My question is, I've always believed in exhausting

2329
03:07:06,330 --> 03:07:08,470
administrative remedies first.

2330
03:07:10,110 --> 03:07:17,810
What is the, if we opt for the administrative hearing, we're essentially say we're trying

2331
03:07:17,810 --> 03:07:22,590
to withdraw administrative remedies prior to our making a decision, I don't believe

2332
03:07:22,590 --> 03:07:28,370
they would act to do anything as long as we're within our rights to do an administrative

2333
03:07:28,370 --> 03:07:28,730
hearing.

2334
03:07:28,790 --> 03:07:31,370
Now, if we lose that hearing, we're going to have to face a situation of what we're going

2335
03:07:31,370 --> 03:07:36,690
to do, and maybe we adopt a vision of a solid thing, we find a sidewalk, or we sign some

2336
03:07:36,690 --> 03:07:45,030
the method to do as Mr. Hawke had mentioned and do it that way. I mean nobody wants to lose

2337
03:07:45,030 --> 03:07:49,330
the funding. And these are largely capital and proven funds which we certainly don't want

2338
03:07:49,330 --> 03:07:54,190
to lose capital and proven funds. But what is the issue, I mean I'll ask our city attorneys,

2339
03:07:54,930 --> 03:08:01,830
what is our legal risk and I'm not seeing it, that's why I'm asking generally. If we decide

2340
03:08:01,830 --> 03:08:06,670
to pursue our administrative remedies first and wait to those are exhausted and then we would

2341
03:08:06,670 --> 03:08:10,810
say we would have to maybe implement what the city manager says we have to do in order to protect

2342
03:08:10,810 --> 03:08:14,910
our money, which everybody wants to do, and then we sit down and we figure out what's

2343
03:08:14,910 --> 03:08:20,550
plan B and then you know I'm a plan B person to see where we could adopt, you know, whether

2344
03:08:20,550 --> 03:08:27,950
it's a paid, it's a sidewalk, they say payment in English, say a sidewalk or some other mechanism

2345
03:08:29,690 --> 03:08:33,090
to address this and then to as a compromise so to speak.

2346
03:08:33,090 --> 03:08:40,370
So, if we go through the administrative route as we suggested before we make the decision, what are we risking?

2347
03:08:41,810 --> 03:08:44,330
I mean, you have a right to exhaust your administrative remedies.

2348
03:08:45,210 --> 03:08:48,950
You have to exhaust your administrative remedies before you could ever go to court as you know.

2349
03:08:49,670 --> 03:08:55,130
So, you know, I would assume that unless an administrative court judge makes a ruling

2350
03:08:55,130 --> 03:09:01,110
on September 2nd, the deadlines would be told until, you know, decision is rendered by the court,

2351
03:09:01,110 --> 03:09:03,770
And then they would have to give you time to come into compliance.

2352
03:09:04,690 --> 03:09:08,030
And so I don't see a legal.

2353
03:09:08,650 --> 03:09:09,870
Because that's not really the idea.

2354
03:09:10,010 --> 03:09:11,430
We're not doing litigation at that point.

2355
03:09:11,450 --> 03:09:12,370
We're not suing the state.

2356
03:09:12,730 --> 03:09:14,630
We're not pursuing a administrative thing to allow.

2357
03:09:15,290 --> 03:09:16,770
And that could take a 30, 60, whatever.

2358
03:09:17,050 --> 03:09:18,770
I don't know how many day process it is.

2359
03:09:19,190 --> 03:09:22,430
But it certainly seems to be told there

2360
03:09:23,210 --> 03:09:25,150
their enforcement provisions

2361
03:09:25,690 --> 03:09:27,930
because we're pursuing the administrative revenue.

2362
03:09:27,930 --> 03:09:33,410
And I think that that is my understanding, looking at that with their coming in.

2363
03:09:33,450 --> 03:09:35,850
When is they hearing September 2nd and 10th?

2364
03:09:35,850 --> 03:09:37,350
And they wanted out by when?

2365
03:09:37,470 --> 03:09:38,850
The next day, September 3rd.

2366
03:09:39,090 --> 03:09:42,090
But I don't think that's, I think that would be if you didn't.

2367
03:09:42,350 --> 03:09:44,690
I think I think they would have to stay that action,

2368
03:09:45,030 --> 03:09:46,830
and depending the outcome of the treatment.

2369
03:09:46,830 --> 03:09:51,710
We have two weeks from the date of the letter to essentially put them on notice

2370
03:09:51,710 --> 03:09:53,650
that we are seeking the administrative armory.

2371
03:09:53,690 --> 03:09:53,910
Yeah.

2372
03:09:54,010 --> 03:09:55,710
We have to submit information.

2373
03:09:55,710 --> 03:10:03,510
They've already indicated that there's two types of administrative harmonies. There's a formal and there's an informal if you if you if you just agree on the facts

2374
03:10:03,510 --> 03:10:07,570
Then you would go forward with a formal hearing which is you know, it's much more complicated

2375
03:10:08,170 --> 03:10:17,770
They've indicated of course upon us that they believe this is an informal hearing meaning that the only there's only legal issues at stake and so it it's a much more

2376
03:10:20,050 --> 03:10:20,890
Compact hearing

2377
03:10:20,890 --> 03:10:25,530
a big question has anyone gone to one of these hearings have you seen hearing we have no idea

2378
03:10:25,530 --> 03:10:32,190
what this hearing he was voted to go to the hearing but I just don't know why it's scheduled for

2379
03:10:32,190 --> 03:10:35,650
the second and third those are the days that the hearing is going to go to one of our cities

2380
03:10:35,650 --> 03:10:40,110
have a good idea. I'm saying that they're all scheduled for the same day in one of the other.

2381
03:10:40,230 --> 03:10:48,010
Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, surprise is that if we decide to exhaust the administrative route with

2382
03:10:48,010 --> 03:10:52,510
be it formula or informal, and I think it's probably, I don't think the facts really are

2383
03:10:52,510 --> 03:10:53,190
an issue here.

2384
03:10:53,230 --> 03:10:57,530
I think it really is a question of law and it's to whether or not the state has the right

2385
03:10:57,530 --> 03:11:02,170
and whether or not federal law preempts or all these other questions that are raising here.

2386
03:11:03,410 --> 03:11:10,150
Yes, I think that, because it means so much to so many, we should at least go through the

2387
03:11:10,150 --> 03:11:12,330
process of doing the administrative.

2388
03:11:15,500 --> 03:11:21,340
The only thing I'd like clarification on, I don't know if we can get it, are we out of the woods

2389
03:11:21,340 --> 03:11:22,000
if we do this?

2390
03:11:22,140 --> 03:11:26,800
I mean, there's 60 million, there's no risk to us if we decide to go further.

2391
03:11:26,820 --> 03:11:32,480
So the letter is daunting, it's threatening, however, there is a prescribed procedure in Florida

2392
03:11:32,480 --> 03:11:33,060
statute.

2393
03:11:33,460 --> 03:11:38,200
They simply can't just withhold the money, so you essentially have to not comply, will

2394
03:11:38,200 --> 03:11:43,060
fully not comply, and then they would send notices about the withholding of money.

2395
03:11:43,060 --> 03:11:45,860
But pursuing a administrative hearing is not willfully not comply.

2396
03:11:45,900 --> 03:11:48,460
No, no, no, it's pursuing your administrative remedies that are given to the law.

2397
03:11:48,460 --> 03:11:51,220
Which they outlined in which they gave us an option in the letter.

2398
03:11:51,660 --> 03:11:54,260
Can we verify with them that our assumptions are correct?

2399
03:11:57,020 --> 03:11:59,780
Okay, so legal, I mean, I think it's a legal process or same.

2400
03:11:59,880 --> 03:12:00,120
I understand that.

2401
03:12:01,400 --> 03:12:05,820
But again, you also have to be mindful that the governor does have veto power.

2402
03:12:06,380 --> 03:12:08,840
And so that's not going to be in the forest statute.

2403
03:12:09,300 --> 03:12:11,880
And we've seen that with many of our funding requests.

2404
03:12:12,040 --> 03:12:14,000
To be fair, the governor veto's most things have come to doubt.

2405
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:22,200
I understand. I understand. I'm just saying just because it's not listed in Florida statute there is another mechanism

2406
03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:28,700
or request might be denied. So we we will be ready to go forward on some time or second. It is in Orlando.

2407
03:12:29,500 --> 03:12:33,400
I don't believe that there would be witnesses or anything because it's strictly going to be a legal issue.

2408
03:12:33,700 --> 03:12:40,240
Does Florida Department of Transportation have a legal right to mandate this from a municipality and there are home rule questions.

2409
03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:45,700
It's a very complicated, legal issue, but what it boils down to is whether or not

2410
03:12:45,700 --> 03:12:50,120
talent has to know what's best for your city, and that's in it's a far reach, and that's

2411
03:12:50,120 --> 03:12:50,840
really what the argument is.

2412
03:12:50,840 --> 03:12:56,460
And we cannot control that, but what we can control is at least our approach back, which

2413
03:12:56,460 --> 03:12:58,180
is saying, OK, we're going to follow the law.

2414
03:12:58,320 --> 03:13:02,920
We're going to follow the option that was given us, and exhaust our administrative remedies.

2415
03:13:03,040 --> 03:13:08,040
And if we lose that, which we may lose, we can then decide, and then we know when we lose,

2416
03:13:08,040 --> 03:13:12,800
we can then decide whether or how we would next,

2417
03:13:13,020 --> 03:13:16,680
whether or not the way the commission or the solid suggested

2418
03:13:16,680 --> 03:13:21,320
or some other sort of suggested whether there's another avenue

2419
03:13:21,320 --> 03:13:26,800
that we could pursue to address, you know, the removal of it

2420
03:13:26,800 --> 03:13:29,240
and do we have to do something else and do a,

2421
03:13:29,240 --> 03:13:31,480
whether it's a sidewalk or something, I don't know.

2422
03:13:31,900 --> 03:13:33,280
But we could do something amazing.

2423
03:13:33,820 --> 03:13:36,080
I mean, I just think there's other options there,

2424
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:39,700
But I think that because there are so many people

2425
03:13:39,700 --> 03:13:42,040
that are, I just always believe we should

2426
03:13:42,040 --> 03:13:43,840
exhaust Administrative, or even if it was something

2427
03:13:43,840 --> 03:13:45,600
I wanted to do, I would still say we want

2428
03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:47,360
to exhaust Administrative, but I just think

2429
03:13:47,360 --> 03:13:50,360
that that's always the way to go and make it final.

2430
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:56,260
And then we can deal with, then we can deal with what

2431
03:13:56,260 --> 03:13:57,720
are plan B should be.

2432
03:13:57,840 --> 03:13:58,960
That would be my recommendation.

2433
03:13:59,560 --> 03:14:01,800
So I don't know where everybody said about this.

2434
03:14:02,060 --> 03:14:02,780
I didn't speak.

2435
03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:05,080
I worry about the repercussions.

2436
03:14:05,080 --> 03:14:11,600
I mean, you're, listen, I mean, look, the governor can, the governor can probably do whatever he wants to do, but my wife

2437
03:14:11,600 --> 03:14:15,960
We've been seeing it every much, making noise, but we're seeing it here every single day.

2438
03:14:15,960 --> 03:14:20,100
But what I'm saying is, generally, we're seeing it every single day.

2439
03:14:20,120 --> 03:14:23,180
We should be, to stand on, we to stand on SB1.

2440
03:14:23,440 --> 03:14:32,200
What I'm saying is generally speaking, we're going to do an administrative, generally speaking, if you pursue an administrative process which they allowed in the letter.

2441
03:14:32,740 --> 03:14:39,580
They're enforcement would be told until such time as that administrative process is over that is typically the way

2442
03:14:39,580 --> 03:14:44,080
Works it with the state it worked with the Department of Environmental sir. It was all of the state

2443
03:14:44,080 --> 03:14:49,340
The finance service all of them if you exercise the right to go to to that process

2444
03:14:49,340 --> 03:14:52,320
That is usually the way it pursues now whether it's a governor decides

2445
03:14:52,320 --> 03:14:55,560
You know, you know all of you know

2446
03:14:55,560 --> 03:14:59,980
The hell with it. I'm gonna go all speed this way. I don't know, but at least we

2447
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,500
We'll be doing. We will be following all.

2448
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:08,680
And in the meantime, can we direct Mr. Mortar, start looking at other locations, because I'm in

2449
03:15:08,680 --> 03:15:12,520
it soon that we know. I think it's a long check that we win, but I don't think it's just

2450
03:15:12,520 --> 03:15:15,120
because I think it's a long shot of winning, doesn't mean I don't think we should

2451
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:15,440
at least.

2452
03:15:15,480 --> 03:15:19,960
Listen, we should do it. I think there are no repercussions to the residents financially.

2453
03:15:20,840 --> 03:15:24,880
And in the meantime, if we locate another spot, then we can transition quickly.

2454
03:15:24,880 --> 03:15:30,880
All right, I'm Commissioner. I didn't know Commissioner Burns is so here. Sorry. You know, I try to be quiet.

2455
03:15:30,960 --> 03:15:33,800
You are. I mean, but it only lasts forever.

2456
03:15:34,400 --> 03:15:38,920
I just want to thank everybody for coming out to who came out and spoke.

2457
03:15:39,260 --> 03:15:41,140
It's so passionately about this.

2458
03:15:41,880 --> 03:15:44,460
And I know that this is.

2459
03:15:44,700 --> 03:15:48,920
This set will cast become a meaningful symbol of inclusion in our community.

2460
03:15:49,340 --> 03:15:50,660
We are a welcome city.

2461
03:15:50,660 --> 03:15:56,920
I understand being marginalized, I've come from one of those communities where I've been marginalized.

2462
03:15:57,920 --> 03:16:07,120
And I know this is not an easy decision, however, we have to realize the consequences of this $60 million.

2463
03:16:07,760 --> 03:16:12,260
However, I am prepared to support exhausting that.

2464
03:16:16,530 --> 03:16:22,410
I mean, you know, it's about home ruling as the Zellon said, you know, what's next?

2465
03:16:22,550 --> 03:16:26,930
This is just, you know, the excuse this time is the, is the, is the prior side?

2466
03:16:27,070 --> 03:16:28,930
Well, what is it going to be the next time?

2467
03:16:29,350 --> 03:16:35,370
You know, so I am for supporting going through and taking it to the, to the end.

2468
03:16:35,710 --> 03:16:38,830
I am, I am also in support of another location.

2469
03:16:38,950 --> 03:16:42,590
However, we need to exhaust this, this first option for success.

2470
03:16:42,590 --> 03:16:50,150
But we want to be sure to address Commissioner Cassandra Commissioner Marker's position that we should verify.

2471
03:16:50,750 --> 03:16:53,490
I mean, I don't know, as I said, the governor can do what he wants to do anyway.

2472
03:16:53,570 --> 03:16:56,170
He can order people in here to do it today without even asking us.

2473
03:16:56,170 --> 03:16:57,650
And that's the way he operates.

2474
03:16:58,230 --> 03:16:59,830
And that's the way the state's generally up.

2475
03:16:59,910 --> 03:17:01,390
I mean, governors have that power.

2476
03:17:01,610 --> 03:17:03,190
Regardless of the state they're in.

2477
03:17:04,610 --> 03:17:07,970
So, but all I'm saying is how it typically works in the state of Florida.

2478
03:17:07,970 --> 03:17:14,650
if you exhaust, if you invoke your right to go through an administrative hearing, the other aspects

2479
03:17:15,230 --> 03:17:18,130
they said, they said, they told him, which means they sit back and they don't do anything

2480
03:17:18,130 --> 03:17:22,550
until such time as a decision rendered. And typically after your administrative hearing, they would say,

2481
03:17:22,770 --> 03:17:26,330
you have five days to comply. You have one week to comply. You have two days to go, I don't know,

2482
03:17:26,390 --> 03:17:31,210
whatever they say. But at least it would allow us to go through that process and have them tell us

2483
03:17:31,210 --> 03:17:36,070
once and for all, which is stronger than a letter, once and for all, okay, you got to move it.

2484
03:17:36,070 --> 03:17:39,210
And at least we'll have a chance to have legal arguments.

2485
03:17:40,110 --> 03:17:41,630
And frankly, I think there's going to be a lot

2486
03:17:41,630 --> 03:17:44,590
of other communities developing good legal arguments, too.

2487
03:17:44,910 --> 03:17:47,530
So there may be strength in numbers, so to speak.

2488
03:17:47,830 --> 03:17:48,970
So they're waiting on their way.

2489
03:17:50,350 --> 03:17:51,350
They're doing it on their way.

2490
03:17:51,470 --> 03:17:51,670
Many are.

2491
03:17:52,930 --> 03:17:55,810
So do we have, I mean, with the caveat that you're

2492
03:17:55,810 --> 03:17:57,770
going to double-check that, by understanding

2493
03:17:57,770 --> 03:18:00,150
of the way the administrative process works in Florida,

2494
03:18:00,890 --> 03:18:04,270
do we have a consensus to try to go forth and do the administrative

2495
03:18:04,270 --> 03:18:04,970
if they're here first?

2496
03:18:05,250 --> 03:18:06,990
If Ling gets yes, I'm unborn.

2497
03:18:07,410 --> 03:18:09,210
If Ling gets a no, I'd like us to reconvene.

2498
03:18:09,290 --> 03:18:11,070
Well, the problem is our next meeting.

2499
03:18:11,190 --> 03:18:11,910
That's also temporary.

2500
03:18:11,930 --> 03:18:12,950
No, no, we can't.

2501
03:18:13,170 --> 03:18:14,290
I can do that.

2502
03:18:14,490 --> 03:18:15,310
I can do that.

2503
03:18:16,350 --> 03:18:19,110
I'm not concerned about the tolling provision because-

2504
03:18:19,110 --> 03:18:19,410
It's great.

2505
03:18:19,650 --> 03:18:20,230
I believe that's the point.

2506
03:18:20,230 --> 03:18:24,470
Then it would render the whole administrative process meeting list, so I'm not worried about that.

2507
03:18:25,150 --> 03:18:29,090
So if I'm comfortable moving forward with our, with our attorney's expertise.

2508
03:18:29,410 --> 03:18:29,870
So I'm not really.

2509
03:18:29,990 --> 03:18:31,270
Which would you turn it?

2510
03:18:36,030 --> 03:18:46,010
Thank you so Mr. Moore. I think what we're asking is to this list, the letter gave us the ability to add have an administrative hearing.

2511
03:18:46,150 --> 03:18:51,270
I think we want to be able to present our cases to why we think, you know, as I said, I think it's a long shot.

2512
03:18:51,710 --> 03:18:54,930
But not to do it is, you know,

2513
03:18:54,930 --> 03:19:00,690
So ladies and gentlemen, we're operating a good faith here, so let's just, on that no ladies and gentlemen,

2514
03:19:01,310 --> 03:19:05,230
there will not, and I'll likely that there will not be a presentation during your steps in

2515
03:19:05,230 --> 03:19:09,130
the third meeting relative to all turn to this and that because we'll still be involved more and

2516
03:19:09,130 --> 03:19:14,210
likely in this administrative proceeding process because that may take coming days,

2517
03:19:14,350 --> 03:19:19,530
whatever the case may be, so until the results of that come back, the very next city commission

2518
03:19:19,530 --> 03:19:24,130
meeting will have an opportunity to proceed accordingly. But I would just say we should plan on it,

2519
03:19:24,130 --> 03:19:25,930
I guess that's where I'm going.

2520
03:19:26,950 --> 03:19:27,950
We're going to lose.

2521
03:19:28,890 --> 03:19:33,030
And if I made ladies and gentlemen, I will be pleased.

2522
03:19:34,670 --> 03:19:36,150
I will be prepared accordingly.

2523
03:19:36,530 --> 03:19:37,950
Much like I was prepared this evening.

2524
03:19:38,270 --> 03:19:40,350
We'll simply pivot for the time applicable.

2525
03:19:40,850 --> 03:19:41,550
Maybe we'll win.

2526
03:19:41,810 --> 03:19:42,190
So who knows?

2527
03:19:42,430 --> 03:19:43,950
I mean, let's give it a shout.

2528
03:19:48,020 --> 03:19:48,800
Got a call.

2529
03:19:53,900 --> 03:19:54,940
Anyway, so

2530
03:19:54,940 --> 03:19:57,140
So we've got consensus, right?

2531
03:19:57,860 --> 03:19:59,080
So we're done with 7AA.

2532
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:03,600
We're now doing with the 7BB, which is formerly 6H1.

2533
03:20:03,820 --> 03:20:05,340
The approval of Result should be 187.

2534
03:20:05,420 --> 03:20:09,660
I want a 178-25 award agreement to architects design.

2535
03:20:11,240 --> 03:20:12,540
And this has been pulled.

2536
03:20:12,940 --> 03:20:13,760
I told this one.

2537
03:20:14,400 --> 03:20:17,180
Mr. Barlett, why don't you, you,

2538
03:20:19,280 --> 03:20:20,460
we're going to wait a second

2539
03:20:20,460 --> 03:20:22,020
to you all leave because you're.

2540
03:20:22,020 --> 03:20:23,640
It was six, six, six, six, one.

2541
03:20:26,710 --> 03:20:28,130
Oh, the quicker we're going to have a quick meeting.

2542
03:21:28,130 --> 03:21:30,290
That was you

2543
03:21:30,290 --> 03:21:36,730
All the municipalities get federal funds through various sources of revenue sharing and things such as that. I'm not

2544
03:21:38,570 --> 03:21:43,430
It the issue is it's a very complex issue. It's a very complex issue. I

2545
03:21:43,430 --> 03:21:49,090
So, but you know, let's go. I want to get to the administrative hearing first, and then we can

2546
03:21:58,600 --> 03:22:00,480
Get somebody in the audience. I want

2547
03:22:01,720 --> 03:22:06,400
This isn't your complaint the meeting's going too long. Oh, you know, no, not you're not that lucky

2548
03:22:06,400 --> 03:22:08,400
We're not going to remove you.

2549
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:11,400
You're planning about how long things are taking place.

2550
03:22:13,460 --> 03:22:16,200
We had an hour of public comment, you know, people are allowed to speak.

2551
03:22:16,880 --> 03:22:18,980
I don't know what I'd say before you democracy's a bitch.

2552
03:22:20,220 --> 03:22:20,660
Anyway,

2553
03:22:25,380 --> 03:22:26,500
so I'm on the pull this.

2554
03:22:26,500 --> 03:22:31,500
I'm happy to just quickly go over why before we make Missy do a whole presentation.

2555
03:22:33,240 --> 03:22:37,480
So I pull it because as we know, this is part of the $100 million bond referendum

2556
03:22:37,480 --> 03:22:41,320
That are residents approved for the new police headquarters. This is a design of that facility

2557
03:22:42,220 --> 03:22:47,820
I think it's one of the most significant projects that we will see up here as a commission. Certainly I will

2558
03:22:48,400 --> 03:22:54,480
So I just as we've gone over before with bigger projects like Palm Pay Park. I believe for some of the of this scale and importance

2559
03:22:54,480 --> 03:22:56,500
the public should see

2560
03:22:58,220 --> 03:23:04,000
How we're making our decision and they should see the presentations. I think from all four applicants that went before to selection committee

2561
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:07,060
rather than us just accepting the committee's recommendation.

2562
03:23:08,040 --> 03:23:14,000
And I do just want to note, and this is not a critique on anyone or

2563
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:17,000
any of the committee members, but this was a very small committee.

2564
03:23:17,120 --> 03:23:18,240
There's only three people.

2565
03:23:19,220 --> 03:23:21,540
Two folks from public works and a lieutenant from PD.

2566
03:23:23,240 --> 03:23:25,500
And I just think for a decision this magnitude,

2567
03:23:26,340 --> 03:23:29,420
a selection should involve director level leadership,

2568
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:32,340
and ultimately should still come before the commission,

2569
03:23:32,340 --> 03:23:38,820
But maybe a more useful reference point if we had a larger committee with more director-level

2570
03:23:38,820 --> 03:23:44,140
leadership. I only say this because I know we're going to have the GC for this coming through soon.

2571
03:23:44,480 --> 03:23:48,940
The build I probably wouldn't be here by then, but I would just recommend that for that.

2572
03:23:48,980 --> 03:23:53,300
Maybe it's already planned that way that it's more senior staff and it's a larger committee.

2573
03:23:53,460 --> 03:23:58,040
But regardless, if I am so there, I'll still want us to make the final call on that, too, frankly.

2574
03:23:58,220 --> 03:24:00,400
I just think in terms of our reference. It's more helpful.

2575
03:24:00,400 --> 03:24:05,720
But in any case, point is, for some of this scale, I just think that we should see the presentations.

2576
03:24:07,380 --> 03:24:12,220
I am just going to jump in here because for the same reason I thought we should do it.

2577
03:24:12,240 --> 03:24:14,400
If you mentioned Pompeii, Parker, I know I've mentioned it.

2578
03:24:15,140 --> 03:24:20,880
And I, with the water plant and everything like that, this is to contract to build like a hundred million dollars.

2579
03:24:21,060 --> 03:24:22,860
I mean, it's a big project.

2580
03:24:23,080 --> 03:24:28,160
And I think that, I mean, I'm sure all these, I don't know, you know, who's, I don't even know who's on the list quite frankly.

2581
03:24:28,160 --> 03:24:37,260
But I do think that we should have the opportunity to talk to the architect being selected that's going to be building this project.

2582
03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:42,620
So, I mean it just all we're really asking is to see whether or not you can orchestrate, I know you can.

2583
03:24:43,260 --> 03:24:53,200
Some kind of, where they could come to a site they've done before for other projects and just give their pitches to why they want to be the chosen architect and what they've written to the table,

2584
03:24:53,200 --> 03:24:56,920
obesity, what somebody else might bring to the table. And I think they're probably all qualified

2585
03:24:56,920 --> 03:25:02,840
and I'm sure the selection process was not easy. But, you know, that's all I'm saying.

2586
03:25:02,840 --> 03:25:05,660
That's all I'm saying. I'm going to conclude. I'm just twice like a herd with you tonight.

2587
03:25:05,800 --> 03:25:06,440
It's getting worse.

2588
03:25:07,140 --> 03:25:10,940
So, similar to what we did with Pompeo Park, is that we were asking for you'll have the presentations

2589
03:25:10,940 --> 03:25:11,720
come before you.

2590
03:25:11,720 --> 03:25:12,940
Yeah, you give it whatever it was.

2591
03:25:12,980 --> 03:25:16,900
10 minutes, whatever it was, the community, the pitching construction is a little different

2592
03:25:16,900 --> 03:25:22,380
than pitching architectural services. But I still want to know what methodology is in their architectural

2593
03:25:22,380 --> 03:25:27,980
services and how much, because a lot of this is going to depend on these architect firms,

2594
03:25:28,380 --> 03:25:34,460
whoever is chosen, interfacing with our police departments, what the police department wants to see.

2595
03:25:35,380 --> 03:25:39,780
And I want to make sure that everybody is kind of on the same page in that development,

2596
03:25:40,240 --> 03:25:45,380
because ultimately, we'll all benefit by that. I'm not going to dominate here, but that's just my view.

2597
03:25:45,700 --> 03:25:52,340
So I think four-ten minute presentations. If I could interject, we're a little bit further

2598
03:25:52,340 --> 03:25:59,000
down the road than selection. What it is before you tonight is an negotiated contract with

2599
03:25:59,000 --> 03:26:07,740
the top ranked firm. So, had we been given this direction earlier in the process, then we

2600
03:26:07,740 --> 03:26:15,280
would have brought you the presentations from the three or four top ranked firms. I can tell

2601
03:26:15,280 --> 03:26:21,560
you that the firm that was selected by the committee has a wealth of experience in designing

2602
03:26:21,560 --> 03:26:29,720
Public Safety Facilities. They've done many, many, many of them in South Florida and they are a very well-respected firm.

2603
03:26:30,340 --> 03:26:33,960
We will have an opportunity to interact with them.

2604
03:26:34,620 --> 03:26:39,260
At the end of the first phase, the first phase is what is before you tonight,

2605
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:47,460
which is where they will actually go back over this space needs analysis that was done in 2019.

2606
03:26:47,460 --> 03:26:54,540
for the police department, we will update that to what today's vision is for the police department.

2607
03:26:54,940 --> 03:26:59,700
They will develop a number of different concepts and they will bring those back to commission.

2608
03:27:00,380 --> 03:27:07,600
And you'll have an opportunity at that time to interact with them if at that time you do not like what you see

2609
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:13,340
or what they've brought you then you have the option to not go forward with that firm.

2610
03:27:13,340 --> 03:27:25,340
And we can pick up with the information that they've gathered at that point and we can move forward with a different firm and bring the new firms to you to any of you.

2611
03:27:26,140 --> 03:27:30,400
Yeah, why was it the first time we're seeing this on an agenda?

2612
03:27:30,800 --> 03:27:35,700
This is how all of our contracts have been brought forward to you.

2613
03:27:35,700 --> 03:27:37,420
Is it?

2614
03:27:37,420 --> 03:27:38,100
It is.

2615
03:27:38,420 --> 03:27:40,060
We've usually it's on consent.

2616
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:41,740
We approve it.

2617
03:27:41,740 --> 03:27:46,840
right this was on consent that got pulled right but usually it's while we still have

2618
03:27:46,840 --> 03:27:52,920
a chance to see presentations I thought it's not it's we bring you my missing something I mean

2619
03:27:56,180 --> 03:28:01,220
but the solicitation does allow almost like a release valve for the commission the city

2620
03:28:01,220 --> 03:28:05,900
of Delver Beach Reserves are right to accept your reject any role proposals and whole or in part with

2621
03:28:05,900 --> 03:28:11,220
it without cause to weigh in irregularities or technicalities into a ward on such coverage in terms of

2622
03:28:11,220 --> 03:28:13,480
that we will best serve the interest of the city.

2623
03:28:13,660 --> 03:28:16,200
Well, my apologies, I, for misunderstanding the process, Missy.

2624
03:28:17,280 --> 03:28:22,300
I think given that this is a bond funded project and given the public nature of it,

2625
03:28:22,480 --> 03:28:25,960
I do think that we should exercise that right and see presentations.

2626
03:28:26,600 --> 03:28:28,800
It's, again, I think this is too high profile.

2627
03:28:30,500 --> 03:28:32,220
Is this part of the project?

2628
03:28:32,900 --> 03:28:33,440
Oh, okay.

2629
03:28:33,580 --> 03:28:36,920
Yeah, this is the design of $100 million bond funded project.

2630
03:28:38,020 --> 03:28:40,280
And my apologies for doing this late in the game.

2631
03:28:40,280 --> 03:28:46,880
I didn't realize I would have brought this up earlier in the process, but that being said, I still think that we should be seeing presentations.

2632
03:28:49,020 --> 03:28:53,120
I'd like to move ahead with this project to slow down for a long time.

2633
03:28:53,220 --> 03:28:59,840
The last time we talked about this, what we can do when we see it, if we want to, is pull it and then request a presentation.

2634
03:29:00,260 --> 03:29:04,340
I do not want to do that at this time, and I think that practice has always worked.

2635
03:29:04,780 --> 03:29:08,080
When there's things of concern, you pull them, we see the presentation.

2636
03:29:08,080 --> 03:29:12,980
I'm sorry, we have three people making this call for a hundred million dollar police station.

2637
03:29:13,420 --> 03:29:18,440
I just want only one lieutenant from the police station was involved in the selection committee process.

2638
03:29:19,000 --> 03:29:22,900
I just don't think that's enough oversight in my opinion to make this decision.

2639
03:29:23,040 --> 03:29:28,180
And again, I would have brought that up earlier had I known that we weren't going to have a chance to see this.

2640
03:29:28,640 --> 03:29:32,840
You know, people went out and voted for a hundred million dollar bond for this project.

2641
03:29:32,840 --> 03:29:36,060
they deserve to see how this decision being made.

2642
03:29:36,220 --> 03:29:37,480
I don't want to be stuck with something

2643
03:29:37,480 --> 03:29:38,860
and then have to tell people,

2644
03:29:39,160 --> 03:29:41,040
we never really got to say in it.

2645
03:29:41,360 --> 03:29:44,480
I'm sorry, but I think this is a big deal.

2646
03:29:44,780 --> 03:29:46,120
I think we need more of this process.

2647
03:29:46,280 --> 03:29:48,240
Do you mind me asking Mr. Long and apologize?

2648
03:29:48,600 --> 03:29:49,740
I stuck down out for some reason.

2649
03:29:49,860 --> 03:29:51,800
I thought you were talking about Pompeii Park

2650
03:29:51,800 --> 03:29:53,940
for some reason, but excuse me.

2651
03:29:54,520 --> 03:29:59,800
With the question does make sense if Mr. Long

2652
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,520
Correct. That is that the case that there were three lower level employees. I mean, I would assume if you're in charge that this was done correctly.

2653
03:30:09,720 --> 03:30:10,800
With respect to the selection.

2654
03:30:11,300 --> 03:30:12,000
But it is.

2655
03:30:12,000 --> 03:30:13,540
We're reading departments or we're you.

2656
03:30:13,580 --> 03:30:15,880
We're not department directors. They're engineers.

2657
03:30:16,460 --> 03:30:17,760
Okay. Well, that's better.

2658
03:30:18,020 --> 03:30:18,980
That's the department director.

2659
03:30:19,680 --> 03:30:20,120
Thank you.

2660
03:30:20,360 --> 03:30:21,460
Thank you.

2661
03:30:22,800 --> 03:30:23,220
Yes.

2662
03:30:23,620 --> 03:30:24,840
No, I know. I realize that.

2663
03:30:25,240 --> 03:30:26,080
I was going to go to the bathroom.

2664
03:30:26,880 --> 03:30:30,060
To me, I think that for something of the size and scope.

2665
03:30:30,060 --> 03:30:35,400
It requires direct or level oversight and knowledge.

2666
03:30:36,100 --> 03:30:36,600
And frankly,

2667
03:30:40,280 --> 03:30:49,180
I think it requires our oversight in knowledge as a commission, where this is something that is going to be public facing.

2668
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:52,640
This isn't just a lift station or something technical.

2669
03:30:53,560 --> 03:30:56,320
If that was the case, let the engineers make the call.

2670
03:30:56,320 --> 03:31:03,680
You know, my background's an engineer, I have an engineering degree, I understand when engineers are better suited when we should defer to their expertise and I respect that.

2671
03:31:03,820 --> 03:31:05,600
But this is our police station.

2672
03:31:06,440 --> 03:31:09,560
And it's something that people voted to spend their money on.

2673
03:31:10,320 --> 03:31:13,920
We as their representatives need to be involved in this process.

2674
03:31:14,620 --> 03:31:20,780
And you're talking about what it looks like in our community and how we're going to interface with the team that ends up building it.

2675
03:31:20,780 --> 03:31:24,040
I just think it's critical that we have more of a say in that.

2676
03:31:24,140 --> 03:31:28,500
Again, I apologize for screwing up the process here and making your life harder.

2677
03:31:28,820 --> 03:31:33,720
I wish I'd have known earlier, but that being said, I just think we need to be involved in this selection.

2678
03:31:35,560 --> 03:31:41,860
Give me the timeline if we were to say we would like to have presentations between the time of those presentations,

2679
03:31:42,580 --> 03:31:47,160
because there is a period of negotiation period takes a considerable,

2680
03:31:47,480 --> 03:31:49,460
how long have you been negotiating this contract?

2681
03:31:49,460 --> 03:31:55,300
You've been negotiating this contract for several, several weeks, a couple of months.

2682
03:31:57,420 --> 03:32:03,000
The other proposals have been notified that they did not win the contract.

2683
03:32:04,860 --> 03:32:09,980
And we can go back to them and see if they're willing to come and give a presentation.

2684
03:32:11,400 --> 03:32:11,520
Sure.

2685
03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:15,580
I, this scale, when you do these, there's a scale.

2686
03:32:15,580 --> 03:32:20,820
we have called people in front of us when there's like when it's one point off because we say well

2687
03:32:20,820 --> 03:32:25,960
that's remarkably close and what was the factor because sometimes it's community engagement in

2688
03:32:25,960 --> 03:32:30,380
you think well that's irrelevant I mean it's not irrelevant but irrelevant to the design

2689
03:32:31,140 --> 03:32:45,240
for instance where's in the firms that were involved around the agenda covers she can you

2690
03:32:45,240 --> 03:32:52,220
GLC was 273 and want to make urgency in architects 266, Harvard,

2691
03:32:52,500 --> 03:32:55,300
Jolly 266 and Neta 257.

2692
03:32:55,840 --> 03:33:00,400
So there was a 7 point difference between the first and the second.

2693
03:33:00,420 --> 03:33:02,580
And then how much from the second to the first?

2694
03:33:02,580 --> 03:33:04,460
The first and the second to the fourth.

2695
03:33:05,320 --> 03:33:05,860
50.

2696
03:33:06,700 --> 03:33:07,780
16 points?

2697
03:33:07,780 --> 03:33:08,760
16 points.

2698
03:33:08,800 --> 03:33:10,020
Between the first and the fourth.

2699
03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:13,000
Which is less than 10%.

2700
03:33:14,400 --> 03:33:17,940
So it's six, six, six, six, six, six percent bearing, or seven, seven, seven.

2701
03:33:18,020 --> 03:33:20,480
And we've talked about ten minutes, well, we're not just watching all four.

2702
03:33:20,600 --> 03:33:21,200
We're going to do it.

2703
03:33:22,560 --> 03:33:22,620
All right.

2704
03:33:22,740 --> 03:33:23,720
No, I wouldn't tell when it's fixed.

2705
03:33:23,960 --> 03:33:26,640
I mean, you have to have all four and two.

2706
03:33:26,800 --> 03:33:27,700
You have to have all four and two that you could have to have four and two.

2707
03:33:27,920 --> 03:33:28,880
Yeah, you can't do two.

2708
03:33:29,700 --> 03:33:37,240
But I'm also conscious of Commissioner Kassal's point about not delaying this process too long.

2709
03:33:37,880 --> 03:33:42,720
On the other hand, I mean, again, I think, it's a fair question about

2710
03:33:42,720 --> 03:33:49,820
that the commissioner won't brought about the process of when the commission is engaged in

2711
03:33:49,820 --> 03:33:55,900
something or not. And regardless of this usually a way to do it, I don't believe the city

2712
03:33:55,900 --> 03:34:00,600
negotiates or heck of a lot of a hundred million dollar contracts. This is for a hundred million

2713
03:34:00,600 --> 03:34:01,720
dollar construction fees.

2714
03:34:01,940 --> 03:34:03,160
Lately, you'd be amazed.

2715
03:34:03,260 --> 03:34:05,280
I'm amazed, okay. I would be amazed.

2716
03:34:05,360 --> 03:34:07,440
All right, look, it sounds like...

2717
03:34:07,440 --> 03:34:13,000
Well, I'm, I'm, I, I, I just just so you're, if you, if you reveal the agenda cover,

2718
03:34:13,240 --> 03:34:18,700
Mo, it looks like staff started the process just of issuing the RFQ on December 2nd.

2719
03:34:19,020 --> 03:34:21,440
So that's how long it's taken just to get to this point.

2720
03:34:22,540 --> 03:34:25,280
So December 2nd. December 2nd, 2024.

2721
03:34:25,800 --> 03:34:26,680
Yeah. Well, that's what they have, but we have them.

2722
03:34:26,680 --> 03:34:27,880
That's when the RFQ is issued.

2723
03:34:27,880 --> 03:34:28,480
Yeah, but we have them.

2724
03:34:28,480 --> 03:34:30,020
What are we doing that to mean we have?

2725
03:34:30,200 --> 03:34:33,920
There are eight, and then they're already down to four, four firms for presentations.

2726
03:34:34,740 --> 03:34:35,840
And then they went from there.

2727
03:34:37,300 --> 03:34:45,000
Well, I'm just going to say that I was aware of the process and the only reason that we saw the one from Pompaport was because they were one point different.

2728
03:34:45,140 --> 03:34:47,020
That was the only reason that came to us.

2729
03:34:47,400 --> 03:34:49,020
So this has been the process all along.

2730
03:34:49,240 --> 03:34:51,040
So I'm for moving forward with it.

2731
03:34:52,100 --> 03:34:53,440
Because this is just a design.

2732
03:34:55,100 --> 03:34:55,480
Okay.

2733
03:34:56,240 --> 03:34:57,040
Missionic herself.

2734
03:34:58,380 --> 03:35:00,760
I'm looking for this document.

2735
03:35:00,820 --> 03:35:01,760
Well, back at the risk.

2736
03:35:02,080 --> 03:35:03,220
I will pull two.

2737
03:35:03,860 --> 03:35:04,080
Okay.

2738
03:35:04,080 --> 03:35:04,900
I

2739
03:35:08,300 --> 03:35:12,940
would remind you that this is phase one of this effort.

2740
03:35:13,200 --> 03:35:16,100
There is a stop-go point before phase two.

2741
03:35:16,460 --> 03:35:20,540
If you are unhappy with the product that's presented to you,

2742
03:35:20,620 --> 03:35:23,400
I feel very confident that you will not be.

2743
03:35:23,820 --> 03:35:27,500
But if you are unhappy with the product that's presented to you,

2744
03:35:27,600 --> 03:35:30,960
you have an option at that time to go back out to market.

2745
03:35:32,400 --> 03:35:38,180
I knew all about one of those names and they're all quality, I mean, they could, they're all

2746
03:35:38,180 --> 03:35:42,920
quality groups, so that's your competence, any of them did it frankly good.

2747
03:35:46,750 --> 03:35:48,370
I'm just surprised by this.

2748
03:35:49,070 --> 03:35:49,910
Let's see it.

2749
03:35:49,910 --> 03:35:51,170
Are you a Let's see it or a movie?

2750
03:35:51,170 --> 03:35:58,770
I mean, I think I don't want to delay this, but I do think that if we can have a, you know,

2751
03:35:58,850 --> 03:36:03,190
I'm of two minds, I just think this is such an important project that I would have liked to

2752
03:36:03,190 --> 03:36:09,210
kind of figure out who's going to design it. That was all. But, you know, whatever the commission is, I'm not, you know.

2753
03:36:09,430 --> 03:36:19,690
Well, you, you have to say one away. Well, I, I think I'm, I think I'm going to probably side with, see if we could have a, have a presentation, because I, that's falls in line right.

2754
03:36:20,350 --> 03:36:20,590
Yeah.

2755
03:36:21,870 --> 03:36:22,710
Mr. Transparency.

2756
03:36:23,570 --> 03:36:24,390
I know everything.

2757
03:36:24,890 --> 03:36:25,710
Mr. Transparency.

2758
03:36:26,190 --> 03:36:32,750
I do think that this, it's bond funded. That's not a typical thing. So I understand this is a typical way we do it,

2759
03:36:32,750 --> 03:36:37,970
that are funded by a general obligation bond that get people out of the chart for one moment

2760
03:36:37,970 --> 03:36:42,750
please remember having this discussion. I just think we should have an additional layer of

2761
03:36:42,750 --> 03:36:46,630
tree order and see maybe we should have made that clear up front. I'm looking for the great

2762
03:36:46,630 --> 03:36:51,930
that clear up. You're looking for the grading student. It's in the I don't want the full number. I

2763
03:36:51,930 --> 03:36:57,350
want the breakdown of the number of the grading scale. Do you know what I'm saying? You're looking

2764
03:36:57,350 --> 03:37:01,950
for how they scored? Yeah. I don't think that's wrong. That's what I'm looking for because the total

2765
03:37:01,950 --> 03:37:08,790
The RFP has attached also to the agenda item, and it has the score sheet in it.

2766
03:37:08,930 --> 03:37:09,650
No, but the completeness.

2767
03:37:09,650 --> 03:37:21,790
You have the matrix so that we know what the each one of the category rules it might score sheets by each of the committee members is not.

2768
03:37:22,010 --> 03:37:26,910
See, that's somewhat relevant because there are some factors in those that I would think are not

2769
03:37:29,440 --> 03:37:32,240
persuasive for me individually, right?

2770
03:37:32,240 --> 03:37:39,900
And that's so just for to with Pompey part that was for construction, right. So that was that was different.

2771
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:49,420
The in I understand commissioner laws concerns, but any design that comes out of this is not going to be decided by staff, right?

2772
03:37:49,560 --> 03:37:54,920
So the designs will always come before the commission they'll go before the public that that's not going to be done.

2773
03:37:54,920 --> 03:38:03,380
This is really just your subject matter experts determining which architect is best suited based

2774
03:38:03,380 --> 03:38:04,040
on their qualification.

2775
03:38:04,320 --> 03:38:05,380
So it's really all that this is.

2776
03:38:06,180 --> 03:38:07,880
So I see both sides of it.

2777
03:38:07,880 --> 03:38:11,620
Pompey Park was a little different because it was just to accept the rankings and negotiate

2778
03:38:11,620 --> 03:38:12,280
an agreement.

2779
03:38:13,220 --> 03:38:14,300
This one, there is actually an agreement.

2780
03:38:15,080 --> 03:38:19,880
So I think I'm comfortable that our RRFQ protects us that you don't necessarily, you're

2781
03:38:19,880 --> 03:38:23,820
not putting a position where you have to accept this because the agreements would negotiate

2782
03:38:23,820 --> 03:38:30,600
and partially executed, but we are pretty far down the timeline that, and I guess that's

2783
03:38:30,600 --> 03:38:33,600
why I guess you need to hone it on what the concern is, because if it's, you know,

2784
03:38:33,880 --> 03:38:37,080
what it's going to look like, number one, you're going to have to input on that, the community

2785
03:38:37,080 --> 03:38:40,500
well, and those designs always come before the city commission.

2786
03:38:40,700 --> 03:38:43,700
Yeah, I guess, you know, because some of the, when I see these selection things, which, you

2787
03:38:43,700 --> 03:38:51,980
know, the matrix with, you know, the commission that I'll refer was, you know, like, I like

2788
03:38:51,980 --> 03:38:53,640
local is supposed to, I mean, foreign.

2789
03:38:53,880 --> 03:38:57,780
I like, you know, this, I mean, depending on what, I give those

2790
03:38:57,780 --> 03:39:00,220
higher creative, if you're depending on what it is.

2791
03:39:00,220 --> 03:39:02,680
I absolutely do, we're not allowed to do the local

2792
03:39:02,680 --> 03:39:03,500
provides section.

2793
03:39:04,160 --> 03:39:07,320
So let me as didn't, didn't they present design concepts at all

2794
03:39:07,320 --> 03:39:08,780
during their presentation?

2795
03:39:08,900 --> 03:39:09,720
No, they did not.

2796
03:39:09,820 --> 03:39:12,360
They were chosen specifically on qualifications.

2797
03:39:13,240 --> 03:39:14,660
This is an RFQ.

2798
03:39:14,900 --> 03:39:19,460
The criteria was experienced method, methodology and work plan,

2799
03:39:19,740 --> 03:39:21,220
organizational structure and capacity.

2800
03:39:21,220 --> 03:39:26,220
That 50 points was awarded for methodology and work plan and the other two received 25.

2801
03:39:26,960 --> 03:39:30,320
We got two and two. You'll up to you. What's your pleasure?

2802
03:39:34,040 --> 03:39:35,060
You love that word consensus?

2803
03:39:35,460 --> 03:39:38,540
I'm giving you, you know, letting it be consensus.

2804
03:39:39,520 --> 03:39:44,160
I think I'm going, do you mind to all entertain the gentleman on that?

2805
03:39:44,160 --> 03:39:49,140
Because I'd like to see the matrix and here's why I'm just recalling a conversation I have with somebody.

2806
03:39:49,140 --> 03:39:58,440
They said that there was something involved in this discussion that they felt they did poorly on and now it's coming to me

2807
03:39:58,440 --> 03:40:01,620
And it would related to something unrelated. Do you want to comment on that?

2808
03:40:01,940 --> 03:40:06,420
I would very much like that. Thank you, because that's that just came to me

2809
03:40:06,420 --> 03:40:11,780
Because I heard anything. I thought that's a big deal. We need to be mindful. I know I'm sorry.

2810
03:40:11,780 --> 03:40:14,610
On the day, I listened to the audio and I didn't have concerns.

2811
03:40:15,440 --> 03:40:20,500
Okay, then if I'm gonna go with the I'm we're gonna move forward as you've selection selection

2812
03:40:20,500 --> 03:40:22,620
if you feel like that's my sense. Thank you, Ms.

2813
03:40:22,640 --> 03:40:24,420
We have to put on the contract.

2814
03:40:24,480 --> 03:40:28,700
Okay, then I need someone who would give me a motion.

2815
03:40:29,400 --> 03:40:30,580
I'd always draw sure that motion.

2816
03:40:30,620 --> 03:40:32,320
Pollution number 1725.

2817
03:40:34,660 --> 03:40:35,460
1708-25.

2818
03:40:36,380 --> 03:40:37,180
1708-25.

2819
03:40:37,320 --> 03:40:38,260
That's what I just said.

2820
03:40:38,620 --> 03:40:40,260
I don't know. Thank you.

2821
03:40:42,080 --> 03:40:43,020
Do we have a second?

2822
03:40:43,460 --> 03:40:44,040
I'll second.

2823
03:40:46,280 --> 03:40:46,880
All in favor.

2824
03:40:47,600 --> 03:40:47,760
Aye.

2825
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:49,100
Aye. Any opposed?

2826
03:40:50,260 --> 03:40:50,520
Yes.

2827
03:40:50,520 --> 03:40:56,200
I'm in no. So there we go. Oh wait. Why don't I stand up there? They're going forward.

2828
03:40:56,640 --> 03:40:59,540
Oh wait a minute. No go. What are we agreeing with?

2829
03:40:59,960 --> 03:41:03,780
Yes. You're saying you want to go right. You're going to want to go to this contract.

2830
03:41:03,980 --> 03:41:04,560
That's what you said.

2831
03:41:04,840 --> 03:41:07,180
Yes. A busy answer to the question that came to mind.

2832
03:41:07,600 --> 03:41:10,080
All right. So then you made the motion that you were going to accept.

2833
03:41:10,480 --> 03:41:11,540
The past this resolution.

2834
03:41:12,040 --> 03:41:12,800
I think that was.

2835
03:41:12,920 --> 03:41:15,860
Yes. But then Missy addressed the question that.

2836
03:41:17,240 --> 03:41:17,840
So I was confused.

2837
03:41:18,420 --> 03:41:18,560
Okay.

2838
03:41:18,560 --> 03:41:22,160
Okay. I'm in the affirmative for going forward.

2839
03:41:22,500 --> 03:41:26,220
We do do over. Okay. I need a motion to approve resolution.

2840
03:41:26,440 --> 03:41:29,680
One seven eight dash two five, which is going to do the contract.

2841
03:41:30,240 --> 03:41:31,740
Two two thirty nine six three two.

2842
03:41:32,460 --> 03:41:35,260
Resolution number one seven eight dash two five.

2843
03:41:35,320 --> 03:41:37,600
Do I have a second? Second. All in favor.

2844
03:41:38,060 --> 03:41:41,860
Aye. Any opposed? No. No. Good. We got three to two.

2845
03:41:42,000 --> 03:41:45,060
We're going to. So, Missy, you got your marching orders.

2846
03:41:45,060 --> 03:41:46,940
We have consensus.

2847
03:41:47,500 --> 03:41:49,060
We have a vote.

2848
03:41:49,660 --> 03:41:50,140
Sorry.

2849
03:41:50,640 --> 03:41:52,820
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just giving the commission a gazelle.

2850
03:41:56,220 --> 03:41:57,180
Item 7A.

2851
03:41:57,780 --> 03:42:00,580
The resolution to, well, you can be, you want to do the resolution.

2852
03:42:00,680 --> 03:42:01,360
Resolution number.

2853
03:42:01,700 --> 03:42:03,360
One, six, six, seven, four, five.

2854
03:42:03,720 --> 03:42:04,480
Resolution of the City Commission.

2855
03:42:04,640 --> 03:42:05,000
The City Council.

2856
03:42:05,380 --> 03:42:05,720
The City Council.

2857
03:42:05,980 --> 03:42:06,220
The City Council.

2858
03:42:13,440 --> 03:42:14,400
The City Council.

2859
03:42:14,400 --> 03:42:16,080
to the request for qualifications.

2860
03:42:17,160 --> 03:42:21,860
2025-019 authorizes in the city manager to execute any amendments and renewals there too,

2861
03:42:22,300 --> 03:42:26,240
and to take any and all actions necessary to affect you at the intent of this resolution

2862
03:42:26,240 --> 03:42:28,300
for about the ineffective date and for the purposes.

2863
03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:31,660
Thank you very much.

2864
03:42:31,860 --> 03:42:33,100
Missy, you're still up.

2865
03:42:33,460 --> 03:42:35,980
I am still up in a similar situation.

2866
03:42:36,620 --> 03:42:43,500
We are talking about the award of the architectural design contract

2867
03:42:43,500 --> 03:42:45,300
for the Crest Theatre.

2868
03:42:47,160 --> 03:42:55,280
So the contract components in this are to initially evaluate the ability to accommodate

2869
03:42:55,280 --> 03:43:03,150
a variety of performance types and community uses to provide a set of options for

2870
03:43:06,210 --> 03:43:15,050
the architect has agreed in this contract to bring a base option, the much talked about cheap

2871
03:43:15,050 --> 03:43:23,950
and cheerful option, and then with two additive options, which would be an upgrade from

2872
03:43:23,950 --> 03:43:29,690
cheap and cheerful, and then the final option would be all the way to the refined and elegant

2873
03:43:29,690 --> 03:43:30,370
option.

2874
03:43:30,370 --> 03:43:34,310
And that's what I call it, but I don't think it depends on how that here goes.

2875
03:43:36,170 --> 03:43:36,910
Just saying.

2876
03:43:38,370 --> 03:43:45,070
So once this initial phase of this contract is done, the architect will be bringing

2877
03:43:45,070 --> 03:43:54,870
forward all three of those designs for commission to look at and to choose between and

2878
03:43:54,870 --> 03:44:00,530
improve moving forward with the second phase which would be the actual design of the chosen

2879
03:44:00,530 --> 03:44:08,910
alternative. The conceptual design for this project, it's confined to the interior of the

2880
03:44:08,910 --> 03:44:15,490
auditorium, the stage, the dressing rooms and related restroom facilities, and the rooftop

2881
03:44:15,490 --> 03:44:16,810
mechanical units.

2882
03:44:18,930 --> 03:44:25,450
The first phase of design for this, the design cost is 236,862 dollars,

2883
03:44:25,450 --> 03:44:33,910
And the final design cost will be determined once the commission has chosen the alternative that they want to move forward with.

2884
03:44:36,820 --> 03:44:50,260
I love to put these fancy charts in here to show you how much work goes into between the notice to proceed, which we expect to happen on or around September 1, which I think is Labor Day.

2885
03:44:50,260 --> 03:44:59,980
So it'll probably be September 2nd and when we expect to be back before Commission to bring you the three alternatives to choose from in January.

2886
03:45:01,340 --> 03:45:07,120
I just want to say thank you, because I was the one complaining at times that we hadn't looked at all the alternatives.

2887
03:45:07,320 --> 03:45:10,620
So I think this is great that we'll have three alternatives to choose from as a city.

2888
03:45:12,080 --> 03:45:15,420
And let the chips fall really well. I think this is great.

2889
03:45:16,040 --> 03:45:16,500
Thank you.

2890
03:45:16,680 --> 03:45:19,720
Were there any public meetings for this?

2891
03:45:21,080 --> 03:45:27,120
There have been a number of public meetings for the use of the Crest Theatre.

2892
03:45:27,120 --> 03:45:33,260
We don't normally do public meetings before choosing an architect to design something.

2893
03:45:34,180 --> 03:45:41,160
We've taken most of our most of our direction directly from commission during public commission meetings.

2894
03:45:41,620 --> 03:45:46,260
How is this different from the one that we just moved forward?

2895
03:45:48,480 --> 03:45:50,160
The scale of it for one thing.

2896
03:45:50,740 --> 03:45:55,660
The scale of design for the Crest Theatre is very small and limited.

2897
03:45:55,660 --> 03:46:03,060
it's just the auditorium area and there has been a lot of commission discussion on exactly

2898
03:46:03,680 --> 03:46:09,060
how much is this renovation going to cost, what is it going to look like in the end, but

2899
03:46:09,060 --> 03:46:13,500
there's not been a lot of consensus that was provided back to us.

2900
03:46:13,500 --> 03:46:23,500
So it's different in that way, the initial design dollars are smaller,

2901
03:46:25,760 --> 03:46:36,520
the police department is a public safety government obligation bond that was approved by the voters, and it's a much bigger project.

2902
03:46:40,740 --> 03:46:44,980
I mean, I just want to make sure that we have a great, you know, it was a lot of options.

2903
03:46:45,200 --> 03:46:51,440
We have a small theater that I wanted to be the best you can be for its size and what kind of shows us capable of getting.

2904
03:46:52,540 --> 03:46:59,880
And, you know, because it is on main and main and, you know, when I remember the crest was first done, it was a very high quality, you know,

2905
03:47:00,260 --> 03:47:05,640
thinking they were very successful over the years. And I just want to keep ourselves having options to do all different kinds of stuff.

2906
03:47:05,640 --> 03:47:08,640
So we'll have a look at that when he comes back.

2907
03:47:08,820 --> 03:47:16,020
Yeah, I would say that this architectural firm has done has renovated historic theaters all over the country.

2908
03:47:16,280 --> 03:47:16,600
Right.

2909
03:47:16,600 --> 03:47:18,980
It's really their primary thing.

2910
03:47:19,400 --> 03:47:22,800
And they were very complementary of how great our theater is.

2911
03:47:22,900 --> 03:47:27,120
They're very excited about doing the design for us.

2912
03:47:27,400 --> 03:47:29,600
Well, if you're doing the questions, I need a motion to approve.

2913
03:47:30,600 --> 03:47:30,980
Seven eight.

2914
03:47:31,340 --> 03:47:31,360
Right.

2915
03:47:31,360 --> 03:47:32,980
Almost one six seven dash 25.

2916
03:47:33,520 --> 03:47:33,780
Second.

2917
03:47:33,780 --> 03:47:35,020
All in favor?

2918
03:47:35,420 --> 03:47:35,460
Aye.

2919
03:47:35,700 --> 03:47:36,320
Any opposed?

2920
03:47:37,180 --> 03:47:37,440
Okay.

2921
03:47:37,680 --> 03:47:38,240
We're good.

2922
03:47:39,800 --> 03:47:40,180
7B.

2923
03:47:40,480 --> 03:47:41,100
Now, 7B.

2924
03:47:41,660 --> 03:47:42,840
7C and 7D.

2925
03:47:42,940 --> 03:47:47,860
If anybody's here for those meetings, I'm going to be asking you all to stand up and

2926
03:47:47,860 --> 03:47:52,100
these sworn, but I'm going to first read you the Quasadjudicial Rules.

2927
03:47:52,760 --> 03:47:54,560
These three will be Quasadjudicial hearings.

2928
03:47:55,300 --> 03:47:58,360
These hearings will be conducted in accordance with the Quasadjudicial Rules.

2929
03:47:58,860 --> 03:48:02,560
The applicants in the city shall be each be allowed 15 minutes to present their case.

2930
03:48:02,560 --> 03:48:12,240
The public will be allowed to speak for three minutes each or maximum of six minutes if a person represents an organization or a group of people who are present but agree not to speak.

2931
03:48:12,980 --> 03:48:20,300
The City Commission and staff and the applicant may be allowed to cross-examine a witness. The City or the applicant will be allowed to offer a rebuttal testimony.

2932
03:48:21,140 --> 03:48:28,340
The decision to approve or deny an application or appeal may not be legally made upon personal views as to whether a project is a good project or not.

2933
03:48:28,340 --> 03:48:32,580
Normally, a decision would be based on the numbers of citizens who support or pose a particular project.

2934
03:48:33,120 --> 03:48:38,580
The law requires that all decisions must be made on the basis of whether the project meets the requirements of law,

2935
03:48:38,860 --> 03:48:41,520
the comprehensive plan, and the land development regulations.

2936
03:48:42,280 --> 03:48:46,320
All of you, if anybody is going to be speaking on this, if you could please rise and be sworn by the clerk.

2937
03:48:47,440 --> 03:48:50,520
By the authority, back to the only thing, as a member of the State of Florida,

2938
03:48:50,980 --> 03:48:56,940
that you see the law in front of the cast of the morning, about to get out of the truth, the hall of truth, and nothing but the truth.

2939
03:48:57,860 --> 03:49:02,640
Okay, I'm going to be asking for expert communications as it relates to each individual one to when it

2940
03:49:02,640 --> 03:49:08,360
When it called so I'm going to be we're going to be starting with 7B resolution 150-25

2941
03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:12,060
Has it has already any expertly conversations

2942
03:49:13,120 --> 03:49:14,540
Not that I'm aware of that

2943
03:49:14,540 --> 03:49:17,140
I'm okay hearing none if the

2944
03:49:18,300 --> 03:49:19,180
That the

2945
03:49:19,180 --> 03:49:20,980
Santhi, do you want me to read the caption?

2946
03:49:21,200 --> 03:49:25,440
Oh, yes, please read the caption a resolution the city commission the city as I read

2947
03:49:25,440 --> 03:49:33,460
I'm very much forward to approving a waiver to table 7.1.7D of the land development regulations to allow C1 to be constructed above the base flood elevation.

2948
03:49:34,060 --> 03:49:40,180
For the property located at 1019 Lakeshore Drive is more particularly described here in providing an effective day and for the purposes.

2949
03:49:41,220 --> 03:49:42,020
Thank you very much.

2950
03:49:42,320 --> 03:49:45,640
If you could enter the project file into the record.

2951
03:49:45,640 --> 03:49:52,940
Yeah, Sam, the Agenitis Development Services Director, and I'd like to enter a file 2025-210 into the record.

2952
03:49:53,500 --> 03:49:55,900
And Ms. Gonzalez is here with an overview of the request.

2953
03:49:56,280 --> 03:49:57,540
Thanks. You're welcome.

2954
03:49:57,860 --> 03:50:01,340
Hello. My name is Eileen Gonzalez. I work with C-Side Marine Construction.

2955
03:50:01,680 --> 03:50:08,020
I'm here with your billbow, and we are representing Paul's Dad Feld, which is the homeowner for 1019 Lakeshore Drive.

2956
03:50:08,220 --> 03:50:12,740
We are currently in contract with this client to build a new C-wall at this property.

2957
03:50:12,740 --> 03:50:22,380
And we are seeking a waiver to section 7.170 in order to raise the C-wall above the current base blood elevation.

2958
03:50:25,430 --> 03:50:26,150
Do I click it myself?

2959
03:50:26,190 --> 03:50:28,530
Yeah, I'm not the only one. I'm a low-tech person.

2960
03:50:30,190 --> 03:50:35,590
Okay, so for this request I just said it's to raise the wall above the base blood elevation.

2961
03:50:35,750 --> 03:50:36,850
The current.

2962
03:50:37,090 --> 03:50:40,070
Do we not have presentations on the screen?

2963
03:50:42,150 --> 03:50:43,670
We're fixing standby.

2964
03:50:44,290 --> 03:50:46,930
We'd like to be able to, some of this can't read that far.

2965
03:50:47,090 --> 03:50:49,670
We have to look at the screen and just we're old and we're kind of...

2966
03:50:58,190 --> 03:50:58,830
You can't go on.

2967
03:50:58,970 --> 03:51:01,070
You may have to go watch your show.

2968
03:51:01,310 --> 03:51:09,410
So basically, section 7.170 limits the height of the C-wall to the base load elevation of a property.

2969
03:51:09,710 --> 03:51:12,410
The base load elevation for this property is 9.

2970
03:51:13,150 --> 03:51:19,350
The existing C-wall for, yeah, the existing C-wall for this property is already at about 10.

2971
03:51:19,350 --> 03:51:22,250
It ranges between 10 and 10.65 and ABD.

2972
03:51:22,490 --> 03:51:24,570
So it is already above this baseline elevation.

2973
03:51:25,130 --> 03:51:26,850
It is in poor condition.

2974
03:51:26,970 --> 03:51:29,070
So we are seeking to get away before it.

2975
03:51:29,510 --> 03:51:31,990
But this is a breakdown, essentially, of everything.

2976
03:51:34,210 --> 03:51:35,270
Existing site condition.

2977
03:51:35,610 --> 03:51:40,070
So existing C-wall is between 9.67 and 10.10 and ABD.

2978
03:51:40,610 --> 03:51:44,410
The adjacent plan is higher than that.

2979
03:51:44,910 --> 03:51:49,010
I love 11.6 to 11.93, meaning that when you look at a property,

2980
03:51:49,010 --> 03:51:56,770
it has a pretty significant downward slope, which creates an unsafe drop off from the yard to the

2981
03:51:56,770 --> 03:52:01,270
waterway, reduces flip protection, a resiliency, and this particular homeowner does have

2982
03:52:01,270 --> 03:52:05,690
young children, which creates an unsafe environment when they are in that backyard.

2983
03:52:07,860 --> 03:52:08,140
Here you

2984
03:52:08,140 --> 03:52:14,020
can see the drop off, the slope, you can see the properties, slopes down, cissing c-wall.

2985
03:52:16,030 --> 03:52:16,730
So we are

2986
03:52:16,730 --> 03:52:24,950
posing to raise a C-wall to 12.6 NABD, which is slightly above the planned elevation, and

2987
03:52:24,950 --> 03:52:31,250
this will avoid any extreme drop-offs, create a sacred by-rip of the young children, enhances

2988
03:52:31,250 --> 03:52:36,970
store protection, a lot of municipalities in Palm Beach County are actually taking away their

2989
03:52:36,970 --> 03:52:46,710
maxes and making it so that you can raise your C-wall up to whatever height you'd like as long

2990
03:52:46,710 --> 03:52:51,170
main concern with it is just the fact that the C-wall slopes off. Everybody around Palm Beach County

2991
03:52:51,170 --> 03:52:58,050
is wanting to raise their walls, see what ties are rising, and it is an inevitable fact. So

2992
03:52:58,050 --> 03:53:05,930
that is why we are proposing that, and it would be approximately 2.5 to 2.93 feet higher than

2993
03:53:05,930 --> 03:53:12,630
what existing C-wall elevation is. We do have approval from the state, that the AP, we have approval

2994
03:53:12,630 --> 03:53:18,510
army force of engineers and we also got approval from Palm Beach County. They reviewed our

2995
03:53:18,510 --> 03:53:20,530
plans and they said they had no objection toward design.

2996
03:53:23,010 --> 03:53:26,030
So basically, with this installation

2997
03:53:26,030 --> 03:53:31,190
of this new C-wall, there are no adverse effects on neighboring properties. We are actually doing

2998
03:53:31,190 --> 03:53:37,390
both the C-walls at the end of this road together and we're putting them at the same elevation.

2999
03:53:37,390 --> 03:53:44,590
There are no unsafe conditions created or anything we are making a safer environment.

3000
03:53:45,030 --> 03:53:51,230
No special privilege conferred relief is based entirely on existing site-specific elevation conditions.

3001
03:53:51,650 --> 03:53:55,630
And any similar property facing the same great disparity would require a similar relief.

3002
03:53:56,810 --> 03:53:59,470
And no in a munition of public facilities.

3003
03:53:59,690 --> 03:54:04,590
All workers within private property boundaries and does not interfere with utilities, access or public infrastructure.

3004
03:54:06,530 --> 03:54:12,710
Here you can see this is the neighboring property and you can see that there are wall, the existing

3005
03:54:12,710 --> 03:54:20,130
C wall for this particular property, 1019-litre drive, is that about 10 ranges, but around

3006
03:54:20,130 --> 03:54:21,170
10, NABD.

3007
03:54:21,470 --> 03:54:26,330
You can see that the property right there is significantly higher and I think even a little

3008
03:54:26,330 --> 03:54:30,370
higher than what we are proposing, we didn't shoot the elevations for that property because

3009
03:54:30,370 --> 03:54:36,330
is in our property but you can see based on what the existing elevation is that it is

3010
03:54:36,330 --> 03:54:37,350
significantly higher.

3011
03:54:40,360 --> 03:54:44,720
This is kind of just elaborating on what I just said that it

3012
03:54:44,720 --> 03:54:52,080
by as raising a C wall to the elevation that we are proposing. We are protecting the property against

3013
03:54:52,080 --> 03:54:57,520
any storm, surge protection, a lot of properties down here in Palm Beach County. Whenever the

3014
03:54:57,520 --> 03:55:02,100
The king tides come, the whole backyards are getting flooded, it's a fact, it's coming all

3015
03:55:02,100 --> 03:55:06,040
all the way up to the sea wall with a lot of properties, and that is why universally

3016
03:55:06,040 --> 03:55:13,180
a lot of municipalities are raising their codes, so these unique great differentials make

3017
03:55:13,180 --> 03:55:18,800
strict compliance and safe and impractable, and as I mentioned before, it's just creates an

3018
03:55:18,800 --> 03:55:21,320
unsafe environment when you are in the backyard of your residents,

3019
03:55:24,140 --> 03:55:25,500
it by completing this

3020
03:55:25,500 --> 03:55:32,360
project. We are creating a long term shoreline protection, which reduces erosion, kind of just

3021
03:55:32,360 --> 03:55:37,660
building all into everything that I was just saying. But everybody, there's a lot of

3022
03:55:37,660 --> 03:55:43,580
seawalls in Delray Beach that need to be replaced and repaired. And a lot of people are doing

3023
03:55:43,580 --> 03:55:49,560
either seawall capitalizations or brand new seawall replacements. And by raising the seawall,

3024
03:55:49,560 --> 03:55:57,420
And of course, like, just you're just protecting your property against a storm surge in a bunch of type of flooding.

3025
03:55:59,820 --> 03:56:08,080
So essentially, the proposed D wall elevation of 12.60 and ABD meets all waiver criteria on their section 2.411B.

3026
03:56:08,340 --> 03:56:13,760
It's necessary to address unique site conditions in your safety and enhanced storm and type of flood protection.

3027
03:56:14,340 --> 03:56:18,880
fully consistent with modern and coastal engineering principles and supported by state and federal

3028
03:56:18,880 --> 03:56:23,580
approvals and we respectfully request the city to approve the waiver as submitted.

3029
03:56:25,330 --> 03:56:26,870
I don't know if Peter would like to add anything.

3030
03:56:27,970 --> 03:56:32,950
I'm pretty much, you know, what I was like this, I want to bring it up pretty even for a

3031
03:56:32,950 --> 03:56:33,830
safe place for the kids.

3032
03:56:33,990 --> 03:56:39,630
And even if we did confirm or comply with the base blood elevation, we'd be bringing the

3033
03:56:39,630 --> 03:56:43,990
sea wall down, creating even more of a slope with the property, it's already above the base

3034
03:56:43,990 --> 03:56:48,950
in elevation as it is, and that's essentially a great, thank you very much.

3035
03:56:49,150 --> 03:56:49,450
Very welcome.

3036
03:56:49,730 --> 03:56:50,130
To the city.

3037
03:56:50,970 --> 03:56:58,610
Okay, so the basis of waivers are on the individual condition, and I think that we permit

3038
03:56:58,610 --> 03:57:01,610
seawalls that are being raised all day long, but don't require waivers.

3039
03:57:01,710 --> 03:57:04,990
So the code is not necessarily the issue, it's the application of the code,

3040
03:57:05,230 --> 03:57:09,690
for you to consider on this specific property.

3041
03:57:09,690 --> 03:57:18,550
And I think just to provide a little of it a little bit of visuals and I would pay attention to this property as well for the next item

3042
03:57:18,550 --> 03:57:21,970
So in this specific area of like Ida

3043
03:57:23,190 --> 03:57:24,370
You know ultimately

3044
03:57:25,510 --> 03:57:27,410
The the section of the code we have

3045
03:57:27,410 --> 03:57:32,950
Is meant to apply the rules consistently to everyone but not everyone is at the same starting point

3046
03:57:32,950 --> 03:57:37,330
So the base blood elevation and I'll just remind you of some of the fences and walls

3047
03:57:37,330 --> 03:57:41,910
we've had to deal with when people fill their entire yard instead of just lifting the house.

3048
03:57:43,050 --> 03:57:49,930
And so you can see the house should be here and the yard should slip away from the house

3049
03:57:49,930 --> 03:57:52,770
of the water is going to the house and then ultimately there's a sea wall.

3050
03:57:53,070 --> 03:57:58,110
The issue with this one is that the existing conditions on the site do not work at all for

3051
03:57:58,110 --> 03:57:59,330
the rules that we have, right?

3052
03:58:00,430 --> 03:58:04,990
They are in the A.E. zone, which is a nine-foot elevation, which means you should be at

3053
03:58:04,990 --> 03:58:14,950
The sea wall that is there is that 10, the finish floor of the house is at 15, so that's why you're seeing that drop off down to the 10 feet.

3054
03:58:14,950 --> 03:58:17,390
It's hard to see pictures sort of flatten them out, right?

3055
03:58:18,930 --> 03:58:24,170
So they're simply asking, you know, we don't want everyone to fill every part of their yard typically.

3056
03:58:24,590 --> 03:58:26,590
It interferes with the floodplain and things like this.

3057
03:58:26,610 --> 03:58:29,010
But the condition here is more that there's the slope.

3058
03:58:29,130 --> 03:58:30,730
It's a very short steep slope.

3059
03:58:30,730 --> 03:58:44,430
And ultimately, they're asking to replace the C-wall at a 12-bit 6-inch, sorry, there we go, 12-bit 6-inch NAVD.

3060
03:58:47,110 --> 03:58:53,530
So you can see here the yard as it exists now is this line, so it's coming down.

3061
03:58:53,990 --> 03:58:58,730
The existing C-wall cap is lower, they're having to fill a little bit behind it, but not a lot.

3062
03:58:58,730 --> 03:59:01,210
So based on the existing conditions of this lot,

3063
03:59:01,410 --> 03:59:05,290
the existing conditions of the property that floods on that

3064
03:59:05,290 --> 03:59:08,770
they're in and the improvements that they want to make

3065
03:59:08,770 --> 03:59:11,350
to ensure that the property is resilient over time,

3066
03:59:11,870 --> 03:59:15,450
the request that you're seeing in this particular condition

3067
03:59:16,090 --> 03:59:17,210
is reasonable.

3068
03:59:17,370 --> 03:59:20,710
It has the EV approval with the caveat that it

3069
03:59:20,710 --> 03:59:22,730
meet our local rules.

3070
03:59:23,490 --> 03:59:27,730
So, and then this is something else as well.

3071
03:59:29,730 --> 03:59:31,750
There's a approval of a marginal dog.

3072
03:59:32,650 --> 03:59:35,550
And Palm Beach County, in the last recent year,

3073
03:59:35,570 --> 03:59:41,250
has begun to repeatedly tell staff that we cannot permit dogs

3074
03:59:41,250 --> 03:59:43,770
in the water parcels that are under their control.

3075
03:59:43,810 --> 03:59:47,850
I've taken this all the way to the Assistant County Administrator.

3076
03:59:48,150 --> 03:59:51,950
Mr. Rutter, I understand obviously they're under different leadership now.

3077
03:59:51,950 --> 03:59:53,910
I'd like to revisit this again.

3078
03:59:55,070 --> 03:59:59,970
This has been an ongoing issue not just for this property, but just as a side note, we have plenty.

3079
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,380
We have Dr. Ruby, residents playing waterfront taxes, many of their neighbors have docks and seawalls, and they expect to have the same.

3080
04:00:07,960 --> 04:00:15,680
So I just wanted to throw that out to make you all aware of it, because at this point we're telling them to call their county and city representatives.

3081
04:00:17,880 --> 04:00:24,520
But I shall take a run with Mr. Bruce or something to see if I can't get some movement on it.

3082
04:00:24,520 --> 04:00:32,240
For this particular case, though, that they're asking for is a two and a half, but waiver.

3083
04:00:33,540 --> 04:00:40,460
So they want to build the new, the highest point of the CWB would be a 12 feet six inches.

3084
04:00:41,460 --> 04:00:44,620
The resolution that was posted online said 12 feet five inches.

3085
04:00:44,800 --> 04:00:49,180
I know none of you are going to go out there and double check it for the edge, but we do want the document to the accurate.

3086
04:00:49,180 --> 04:00:56,860
So I don't just want to say it's at the overall 12, it's 12 feet, six inches, and the waiver's

3087
04:00:56,860 --> 04:01:01,280
standards, I think you've gotten a good overview from the applicant, so I'm here if you have any questions.

3088
04:01:02,940 --> 04:01:07,080
Thank you very much. This is a public, this is a, unfortunately, this is a public hearing,

3089
04:01:07,180 --> 04:01:11,680
anybody who wishes to speak on this file. Please come to the lectern, give your name and address.

3090
04:01:12,240 --> 04:01:18,440
You will each have three minutes. Seeing none, public comment is closed. Is there any cross-examination

3091
04:01:18,440 --> 04:01:21,860
between the city and the applicant,

3092
04:01:26,360 --> 04:01:28,940
this is it, I mean, you got that, if you already missed

3093
04:01:28,940 --> 04:01:34,080
on that one inch, I mean, if it could be, if there could be other stuff there. So, to

3094
04:01:34,080 --> 04:01:40,780
the commission, Mr. Law. I mean, this seems super reasonable to me. I'm going to be in favor.

3095
04:01:41,020 --> 04:01:50,200
Mr. Mark, in favor. Commissioner Casal, Commissioner Burns, in favor. I mean, you're

3096
04:01:50,200 --> 04:01:54,760
going to be seeing more of this as these houses having to be built up and you know this is just

3097
04:01:54,760 --> 04:01:57,920
going to be a fact of life I mean when the other people are doing their sea walls are going to

3098
04:01:57,920 --> 04:02:03,060
want the same thing because of the same slope I mean because FEMA has already said 9 feet and

3099
04:02:03,920 --> 04:02:10,340
maybe next year is 10 feet and you know who knows so I'm in favor of it well so I need a motion

3100
04:02:10,340 --> 04:02:18,600
to approve second I need a roll call vote commission marker yes I'm here alone yes commission

3101
04:02:18,600 --> 04:02:21,020
because they'll definitely buy some more burns.

3102
04:02:21,500 --> 04:02:22,320
Yes, Mayor Carny.

3103
04:02:22,860 --> 04:02:22,880
Yes.

3104
04:02:22,980 --> 04:02:23,600
Motion pass.

3105
04:02:24,980 --> 04:02:25,220
OK.

3106
04:02:27,200 --> 04:02:27,680
7c.

3107
04:02:28,180 --> 04:02:28,920
None of us are living.

3108
04:02:28,960 --> 04:02:30,000
Well, you're still there.

3109
04:02:30,760 --> 04:02:32,320
This is the same presentation.

3110
04:02:33,100 --> 04:02:34,120
Same thing with different house.

3111
04:02:34,300 --> 04:02:35,200
How about the presentation?

3112
04:02:35,700 --> 04:02:35,820
Different house.

3113
04:02:36,300 --> 04:02:36,540
OK.

3114
04:02:36,640 --> 04:02:38,720
I need to be formal here.

3115
04:02:38,860 --> 04:02:41,800
Were there any expectations for anybody on this file?

3116
04:02:42,500 --> 04:02:42,620
No, no.

3117
04:02:42,620 --> 04:02:43,160
Seeing none.

3118
04:02:44,600 --> 04:02:45,920
Please touch the file into the record.

3119
04:02:46,160 --> 04:02:46,260
I'm sorry.

3120
04:02:46,260 --> 04:02:49,360
This is file 2025.211.

3121
04:02:50,240 --> 04:02:51,000
I'm going to read the caption.

3122
04:02:51,360 --> 04:02:52,100
Please read the caption.

3123
04:02:52,420 --> 04:02:55,100
The resolution of the city commission of the city has already reached Florida, approving

3124
04:02:55,100 --> 04:02:59,580
away over the table 7.7D of the land development regulations to allow sea wall to be

3125
04:02:59,580 --> 04:03:03,060
constructed above the base flood all Asian for the property located at 1020.

3126
04:03:03,280 --> 04:03:07,420
Lakeshore Drive is more particularly described here in providing an effective date in further

3127
04:03:07,420 --> 04:03:07,800
purposes.

3128
04:03:08,380 --> 04:03:14,880
Mayor, because it's essentially the neighbor, if both parties agree to the previous presentation

3129
04:03:14,880 --> 04:03:20,440
with the modification that it's going to do the same thing, because the meeting's going so quickly

3130
04:03:20,440 --> 04:03:23,660
that we don't have a second. We just need to put it up for public policy.

3131
04:03:24,300 --> 04:03:28,200
This is a public public meeting. Are we both in agreement that we're just a good, okay?

3132
04:03:28,200 --> 04:03:32,840
Yes, and that's resolution would also be 12 feet, six inches, just to be a hundred,

3133
04:03:33,060 --> 04:03:35,920
that last inch. Not five, okay, just want to make sure it's correct.

3134
04:03:36,120 --> 04:03:40,000
The house is tad lower, but it's otherwise almost identical.

3135
04:03:40,000 --> 04:03:46,460
I'm going to trust staff on this yeah. This is if there are any members of the public wishing to speak please come to the

3136
04:03:46,460 --> 04:03:50,940
Electron give your name and address you will each have three minutes seeing none public comment is closed

3137
04:03:51,560 --> 04:03:55,960
Is there any rebuttal? I can fourth I'm going through the list I give in this list. I got to go through the

3138
04:03:56,700 --> 04:03:58,200
Okay, to the commission

3139
04:03:58,200 --> 04:03:59,740
Motion to approve

3140
04:04:00,340 --> 04:04:00,780
Second

3141
04:04:02,280 --> 04:04:08,800
The roll call for the place by tomorrow long. Yes commission. Kathal. Yes. Deputy Vice Mayor Burns. Yes mayor

3142
04:04:08,800 --> 04:04:14,600
Yes, to Mr. Marker. Yes, motion pass. Okay, are there any more of these on there be great the same

3143
04:04:17,760 --> 04:04:19,860
Nice one this agenda be over

3144
04:04:23,080 --> 04:04:27,000
Item seven D. This is like quite a judicial hearing as well

3145
04:04:27,000 --> 04:04:34,620
So I'm going to ask because there was a little lull between the times is anybody here anybody here who's wishing to speak on this who has not been sworn

3146
04:04:34,620 --> 04:04:36,720
Could you please stand and be sworn

3147
04:04:37,500 --> 04:04:46,140
Seeing that everybody has been sworn, I'm going to ask the city, has there been any, well, this is a rhetorical question, has there been any

3148
04:04:46,140 --> 04:04:48,480
expertly conversations on this matter?

3149
04:04:48,880 --> 04:04:51,400
Yes, this is 46 greenway.

3150
04:04:51,600 --> 04:04:52,760
Yes, that's what with the attorneys.

3151
04:04:53,580 --> 04:04:56,160
I spoke with the, okay, the division of the song.

3152
04:04:56,800 --> 04:05:00,820
Oh, I spoke with Mr. Charred a long time ago.

3153
04:05:00,900 --> 04:05:02,360
I spoke with Ms. Van, as well.

3154
04:05:02,360 --> 04:05:08,780
on this sort of more on not specific project as much as maybe procedure but about the project

3155
04:05:08,780 --> 04:05:09,140
I mean.

3156
04:05:09,140 --> 04:05:12,680
I don't think expertic includes people from the public right we're allowed that I think

3157
04:05:12,680 --> 04:05:14,060
expertic is.

3158
04:05:14,060 --> 04:05:14,780
Oh it's anybody.

3159
04:05:15,440 --> 04:05:16,680
Anybody you've spoken to?

3160
04:05:16,680 --> 04:05:17,540
Oh anyway you're taking it.

3161
04:05:17,800 --> 04:05:18,680
Okay that's fine.

3162
04:05:19,300 --> 04:05:24,600
I'm trying to think I've got an email from preservation trust and at some point might have spoken

3163
04:05:24,600 --> 04:05:32,340
to somebody I think that I've gotten everyone and the email server communicates.

3164
04:05:32,340 --> 04:05:35,220
were attached to our email this evening.

3165
04:05:35,300 --> 04:05:35,960
Commissioner DeBurn.

3166
04:05:36,160 --> 04:05:42,900
Yes, I want to add Mr. Patton to my conversations and then I have got a couple of emails as well from neighbors.

3167
04:05:43,240 --> 04:05:44,020
Commissioner DeBurn.

3168
04:05:44,880 --> 04:05:52,260
I think I spoke with Mr. Schiller, or maybe Ms. George Euro briefly about it when you were the Neil Strattling or something.

3169
04:05:52,500 --> 04:05:53,160
I think that's it.

3170
04:05:53,300 --> 04:05:53,900
There's already a bit of a talk.

3171
04:05:53,960 --> 04:05:57,660
Commissioner Marker, Mr. Schiller, and I did have some email communications as well.

3172
04:05:57,920 --> 04:06:00,620
Well, if you email communications as well, I spoke with Mr. Schiller.

3173
04:06:00,620 --> 04:06:02,320
I spoke with Mr. Miller.

3174
04:06:02,760 --> 04:06:05,320
I spoke with Mr. Charred.

3175
04:06:05,600 --> 04:06:08,640
I spoke with staff doesn't count.

3176
04:06:08,760 --> 04:06:09,620
I'm allowed to tap the staff.

3177
04:06:11,120 --> 04:06:15,960
I spoke to several members of the historic preservation

3178
04:06:15,960 --> 04:06:17,940
trust couple of them are here.

3179
04:06:18,400 --> 04:06:20,080
I don't need to mention names, right?

3180
04:06:20,240 --> 04:06:20,860
Do you know what I mean?

3181
04:06:20,960 --> 04:06:21,940
I mean typically yes.

3182
04:06:22,120 --> 04:06:23,960
OK, then I spoke with Anne Whitehead.

3183
04:06:24,160 --> 04:06:25,040
I spoke with Gil.

3184
04:06:25,860 --> 04:06:27,360
I spoke with

3185
04:06:29,730 --> 04:06:30,410
Hoop.

3186
04:06:31,490 --> 04:06:32,450
Roger Coop.

3187
04:06:32,450 --> 04:06:33,990
That's right, I spoke with him.

3188
04:06:34,330 --> 04:06:36,470
Oh, you know what, man, I think I have to.

3189
04:06:36,470 --> 04:06:38,010
You're allowed to amend, this is just, you know.

3190
04:06:38,010 --> 04:06:40,750
I'm trying to think, who reached out to me, I'm not going to be.

3191
04:06:40,870 --> 04:06:44,070
I spoke with Sandy Zeller, who's, I saw her earlier, I guess he's still around.

3192
04:06:44,070 --> 04:06:47,010
I spoke with Jim Chard too, I just remember seeing him here.

3193
04:06:48,130 --> 04:06:51,150
Not speak with Mr. Patney did send me an email, but that's on the server.

3194
04:06:51,350 --> 04:06:52,550
We've mentioned that.

3195
04:06:52,890 --> 04:06:55,410
So, let me go through the whole year, right?

3196
04:06:56,570 --> 04:06:58,610
I spoke with a lot of people, I think I covered them all.

3197
04:06:58,770 --> 04:07:00,070
Do you want me to read the resolution, caption?

3198
04:07:00,070 --> 04:07:02,810
Yes, would you please read the caption and shut me up.

3199
04:07:03,110 --> 04:07:03,210
Thank you.

3200
04:07:03,210 --> 04:07:04,930
Resolution number 135 does 25.

3201
04:07:05,130 --> 04:07:08,150
Resolution the City Commission of the City of Saudi Arabia, Florida, affirming the historic

3202
04:07:08,150 --> 04:07:11,090
Preservation Board's approval of a certificate of appropriateness relocation,

3203
04:07:11,230 --> 04:07:14,990
variances, and waivers for the property located at a 46th Marine Way is more

3204
04:07:14,990 --> 04:07:17,370
particularly described here and improving a vertical relocation

3205
04:07:17,370 --> 04:07:21,230
pursuit of Section 4.5.1, E6, B1, of the land development

3206
04:07:21,230 --> 04:07:26,550
relations, LDR, approving variances to LDR section 4.3.4K to reduce the

3207
04:07:26,550 --> 04:07:32,190
side interior reverse step-ax for the structure and to LDR section 4.6.15 to reduce the

3208
04:07:32,190 --> 04:07:36,290
side interior step-ax for assuming approving waivers to the visual compatibility

3209
04:07:36,290 --> 04:07:46,810
sooners and LDR section 4.5.1 E7A14.5.1 E7J2 and 4.5.1 E7M6, providing an effective date

3210
04:07:46,810 --> 04:07:51,570
and further purposes. Mayor, because of the number of variances and waivers I did

3211
04:07:51,570 --> 04:07:56,290
We chat to Mr. Schiller and staff and they will have 40 minutes each to present.

3212
04:07:57,130 --> 04:07:58,250
40 minutes each?

3213
04:07:58,250 --> 04:07:58,470
Yes.

3214
04:07:59,050 --> 04:08:00,310
It's because of the volume.

3215
04:08:00,570 --> 04:08:02,470
Anyone for death by pizza in the room?

3216
04:08:03,530 --> 04:08:03,970
Checking.

3217
04:08:04,030 --> 04:08:04,710
You want to five minutes per hour?

3218
04:08:04,710 --> 04:08:05,450
I'm going to make a wish.

3219
04:08:06,110 --> 04:08:07,070
I'm not going to make a wish.

3220
04:08:07,070 --> 04:08:08,490
I'm not going to make a wish.

3221
04:08:09,410 --> 04:08:09,810
All right.

3222
04:08:10,290 --> 04:08:12,450
Well, I'm hoping that we don't need it, but okay.

3223
04:08:12,630 --> 04:08:14,450
So each side has 40 minutes.

3224
04:08:15,290 --> 04:08:15,530
Okay.

3225
04:08:15,730 --> 04:08:17,230
I'll do my best to cut it down this way.

3226
04:08:17,230 --> 04:08:18,730
Well, please have a good evening.

3227
04:08:18,930 --> 04:08:19,830
Thank you.

3228
04:08:19,930 --> 04:08:21,650
Please enter the case file into the record.

3229
04:08:21,930 --> 04:08:22,530
Good evening.

3230
04:08:22,770 --> 04:08:24,630
The agenda is to development services director.

3231
04:08:24,950 --> 04:08:29,390
It's your file 2024-133 into the record.

3232
04:08:29,930 --> 04:08:33,590
Mr. Schiller is here with an overview of the applicant's request.

3233
04:08:34,830 --> 04:08:35,870
Thank you.

3234
04:08:35,870 --> 04:08:36,470
Maybe again.

3235
04:08:36,610 --> 04:08:37,490
You may be good.

3236
04:08:37,810 --> 04:08:39,390
Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor.

3237
04:08:40,510 --> 04:08:40,870
Honorary.

3238
04:08:41,490 --> 04:08:42,010
Honorary.

3239
04:08:42,650 --> 04:08:43,830
I can't even talk right now.

3240
04:08:44,070 --> 04:08:45,210
Honorable City Commission.

3241
04:08:45,210 --> 04:08:49,690
And then it's very late in the night as I'm sure you guys know and experience too.

3242
04:08:50,210 --> 04:08:58,110
Before we start, my presentation, I do have to do one thing to preserve the record of this

3243
04:08:59,010 --> 04:09:06,710
preceding on July 15th, I sent the city attorney letter asking that Commissioner Casal be

3244
04:09:06,710 --> 04:09:13,590
recused from this hearing based on comments that she made on the June 17th, 2025 meeting

3245
04:09:13,590 --> 04:09:17,250
where it appeared that Ms. Commissioner Casal

3246
04:09:17,250 --> 04:09:21,230
could not be objective and therefore be violating

3247
04:09:21,230 --> 04:09:22,750
might do process rights.

3248
04:09:23,230 --> 04:09:25,630
Making this request to preserve the record,

3249
04:09:26,250 --> 04:09:28,170
I'm not expecting any action on this request,

3250
04:09:28,470 --> 04:09:30,830
but it is here to preserve the record in case we need

3251
04:09:30,830 --> 04:09:31,450
in the future.

3252
04:09:32,650 --> 04:09:34,650
That's all we need to do to be the what all you need to do.

3253
04:09:34,650 --> 04:09:36,010
Can I speak on that?

3254
04:09:36,070 --> 04:09:37,290
I mean, technically, should have been done

3255
04:09:37,290 --> 04:09:38,850
when the next party of the school is just made

3256
04:09:38,850 --> 04:09:40,270
because we've now started the hearing,

3257
04:09:40,670 --> 04:09:43,130
but I think my letter is self-explanatory,

3258
04:09:43,130 --> 04:09:46,070
but of Ms. Casal wants to, or Ms. Casal wants to.

3259
04:09:46,450 --> 04:09:48,570
Okay, should I have a right to for this case?

3260
04:09:49,270 --> 04:09:53,250
I think this whole thing, look, first of all,

3261
04:09:53,710 --> 04:09:56,770
I think we should look at bias as, as does it go both ways.

3262
04:09:56,910 --> 04:09:58,650
And I like you know, we'll be talking tomorrow.

3263
04:09:58,730 --> 04:10:04,450
Everything's perfect, but you know, it's about avoiding the appearance of impropriety.

3264
04:10:05,130 --> 04:10:10,090
I pulled it, I read from the 103 page report,

3265
04:10:10,090 --> 04:10:17,970
A project of that size should come before the commission, it should not end with a historic preservation board, which is an advisory board.

3266
04:10:18,810 --> 04:10:34,950
But if we're that concerned and this is no disrespect mayor about appearances of impropriety and biases, you've got emails from the architect to the mayor on the project, both his personal email and also his city email.

3267
04:10:34,950 --> 04:10:39,130
You have no disrespect. I met the applicant. He's a lovely gentleman

3268
04:10:39,810 --> 04:10:47,030
$15,000 into the pack that you were utilizing during the election. That is 100% true because I

3269
04:10:47,330 --> 04:10:53,750
I spoke to him. Okay, it's not illegal. I don't know. It's not illegal, but we're talking about who can be biased and appearances of impropriety.

3270
04:10:54,650 --> 04:11:02,270
You have a seasoned developer in our city. Maybe you can be bothered. No, I can't. But you have a seasoned developer in our city

3271
04:11:02,270 --> 04:11:08,890
who never used your title services, who after the election began using your Crystal Title Company,

3272
04:11:10,110 --> 04:11:18,430
the applicant. You have a letter in opposition that came to the city of Del Ray Beach to us,

3273
04:11:18,570 --> 04:11:24,090
and within moments, the applicant was threatening the individual who sent the letter. So someone told

3274
04:11:24,090 --> 04:11:30,670
the applicant, told the applicant that that letter came in via email, and you have a text out there.

3275
04:11:30,670 --> 04:11:34,430
And there has been multiple conversations like this where people are saying, and here's

3276
04:11:34,430 --> 04:11:41,690
a quote in the text, he controls enough of the city officials to influence them.

3277
04:11:42,810 --> 04:11:43,570
You're applicant.

3278
04:11:44,770 --> 04:11:48,730
So I don't know if you're accusing me of something else, I mean, I'm not accusing you, but

3279
04:11:48,730 --> 04:11:49,890
I'm saying if we're all concerned.

3280
04:11:50,230 --> 04:11:51,430
I did, because I knew what you're saying.

3281
04:11:51,550 --> 04:11:55,550
I did go to the ethics board and the board itself, not just surrender to the board itself

3282
04:11:55,550 --> 04:11:55,870
voted.

3283
04:11:55,950 --> 04:11:59,190
They said you don't have a conflict, but you know what someone called me from the county

3284
04:11:59,190 --> 04:12:02,250
and said that it's not about a conflict.

3285
04:12:02,430 --> 04:12:04,010
It's about the appearance of him providing

3286
04:12:04,550 --> 04:12:07,610
and how that affects, I disagree based on that list.

3287
04:12:07,970 --> 04:12:08,730
I would say to you.

3288
04:12:08,930 --> 04:12:11,970
And how that affects the tax payers trust.

3289
04:12:12,490 --> 04:12:13,350
Okay, I'm so happy.

3290
04:12:13,490 --> 04:12:14,610
I'm not going to let you accuse me of that.

3291
04:12:14,890 --> 04:12:16,410
I mean, I'm not accusing you of anyone.

3292
04:12:16,810 --> 04:12:18,370
I'm saying there is a clear answer.

3293
04:12:18,830 --> 04:12:19,230
A clear answer.

3294
04:12:19,230 --> 04:12:20,010
A clear answer is a appearance.

3295
04:12:20,230 --> 04:12:20,850
It's subjective.

3296
04:12:21,450 --> 04:12:22,070
What is it?

3297
04:12:22,070 --> 04:12:22,230
Okay.

3298
04:12:22,730 --> 04:12:24,510
So back to Commissioner Housel.

3299
04:12:25,070 --> 04:12:26,730
Can you be fair and impartial in this matter?

3300
04:12:26,970 --> 04:12:27,410
What's for you?

3301
04:12:27,530 --> 04:12:36,750
Okay, so the mayor he did secure an opinion dated July 29, 2025 from the commissioner on ethics which went to their board and he's correct

3302
04:12:36,750 --> 04:12:44,410
It was ratified and it basically allows him to vote today. So I think we just need to vote move forward and allow the applicant the opportunity to present there

3303
04:12:45,110 --> 04:12:51,530
Thank you so much. And again, no, just just connect to anybody. I have a job to do to represent that way. Thank you so much

3304
04:12:51,530 --> 04:12:54,550
I appreciate that and thank you so much

3305
04:12:55,310 --> 04:12:58,950
everybody's awake. We're here to talk about the appeal of 46 marine

3306
04:12:58,950 --> 04:13:05,030
white. This is the project location highlighted in yellow south of Atlantic

3307
04:13:05,030 --> 04:13:11,550
Avenue right on across from the intracosal on marine white. Here is a sort of a

3308
04:13:11,550 --> 04:13:16,850
streetscape view that I took from across the intracosal canal. You can see the

3309
04:13:16,850 --> 04:13:18,510
subject property outlined in yellow.

3310
04:13:21,140 --> 04:13:22,940
This is if you haven't been in marine

3311
04:13:22,940 --> 04:13:29,620
I think many of you have been, this is the street of Marine Way 18 feet wide, which I do

3312
04:13:29,620 --> 04:13:36,040
have to say is a substandard street in this city, alleys for instance are 20 feet wide,

3313
04:13:36,260 --> 04:13:41,640
other local streets are 22 feet wide, and all other streets are 24 feet wide.

3314
04:13:42,120 --> 04:13:47,200
I bring this up because this affects the perception of streetscape, and we'll get to that.

3315
04:13:47,200 --> 04:13:55,060
just some other additional photos of the property and the surrounding properties, beautiful

3316
04:13:55,060 --> 04:14:04,900
car there. This is the front of the property and I have this slide here to show you how

3317
04:14:04,900 --> 04:14:10,960
the street, Marineway is higher than the great, the tire than the great of the property.

3318
04:14:11,760 --> 04:14:16,160
This gets into discussions that are important about elevations and the proposed elevations

3319
04:14:16,160 --> 04:14:21,940
of this project. And the reason that there is a nine-foot elevation requirement is because

3320
04:14:21,940 --> 04:14:29,060
of this, the significant water damage that is in the structure that has the structure of

3321
04:14:29,060 --> 04:14:36,640
experience through the years. This is the foi. I don't know if it's a foyer, but it's a bonus

3322
04:14:36,640 --> 04:14:42,320
room with a patio. That front door is really a patio door. You can see the step up inside.

3323
04:14:42,320 --> 04:14:47,200
and I do want to make the point here that the applicant is seeking to protect and preserve

3324
04:14:47,200 --> 04:14:52,280
this property. They're not seeking to demolish the property. They have invested a significant

3325
04:14:52,280 --> 04:14:58,220
amount of money into the property to preserve and protect it. Here's another photo of inside

3326
04:14:58,220 --> 04:14:59,800
at the home, it's a two.

3327
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,620
About a two-foot, maybe two a little bit more, foot step up into the main floor of the house.

3328
04:15:07,640 --> 04:15:12,340
And this is the main floor, the living room of the home, beautiful stone, fireplace.

3329
04:15:12,700 --> 04:15:16,740
Again, that will be protected and preserved along with some of the woodwork.

3330
04:15:17,780 --> 04:15:25,840
And here is the rear of the property, and I pointed out the steps here, because you can see the steps up into the property.

3331
04:15:25,840 --> 04:15:29,020
The house isn't sitting at grade.

3332
04:15:29,560 --> 04:15:36,620
It's important to know that, which is why we're not elevating the house nine feet.

3333
04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:43,780
It has to be elevated a little bit higher to protect and preserve the house and our architect is here to explain that.

3334
04:15:44,180 --> 04:15:47,160
Oh, sorry. This is, oh, here we go.

3335
04:15:47,580 --> 04:15:49,860
This is another view of the rear of the property.

3336
04:15:50,060 --> 04:15:52,300
You can see the pool house, the accessory structure,

3337
04:15:52,300 --> 04:15:57,700
which recently in public hearing said there was a very little of any historic value of that

3338
04:15:57,700 --> 04:16:05,740
pool house. The same one here, and this is the rear of the main structure and you can see the pool structure.

3339
04:16:06,820 --> 04:16:15,080
This is the proposed site plan, and I've put this together to show you how small and tight the property is.

3340
04:16:15,080 --> 04:16:28,780
You have 53 feet of width and about less than 100 feet of length on this property and remember we have this requirement to go up 9 feet.

3341
04:16:29,080 --> 04:16:35,380
I think it's also important to note that this property based on its size does not meet today's standards.

3342
04:16:35,380 --> 04:16:39,560
If this site were vacant in a different district,

3343
04:16:40,840 --> 04:16:44,380
we a developer apt to come in to seek special permission

3344
04:16:44,380 --> 04:16:46,460
to develop or build on the site.

3345
04:16:48,060 --> 04:16:51,740
Here is a proposed rendering of the new structure,

3346
04:16:52,180 --> 04:16:54,140
the preserved structure with the addition.

3347
04:16:55,360 --> 04:16:58,240
You can see the structure very clearly up front,

3348
04:16:58,460 --> 04:17:04,020
some terracing on the front to mask some of the height.

3349
04:17:04,020 --> 04:17:11,980
The third floor, where you see the pool structure towards the back, and this is looking east.

3350
04:17:12,640 --> 04:17:14,780
This is looking somewhat southeast.

3351
04:17:15,580 --> 04:17:21,180
You can see the driveway and the entrance to the garage and get a little bit different perspective here.

3352
04:17:22,240 --> 04:17:23,240
So how we got here.

3353
04:17:24,060 --> 04:17:31,440
We took, we were at the March 5th historic preservation board meeting and took significant direction from their concerns.

3354
04:17:31,440 --> 04:17:36,720
They are concerns about the appearance and scale of the race, porch, and patio, and relation

3355
04:17:36,720 --> 04:17:37,720
of the front facade.

3356
04:17:38,580 --> 04:17:42,060
When we revise the front facade, you'll show you in the rendering.

3357
04:17:43,080 --> 04:17:48,600
The visual impact of the third floor, we revised that front facade and the visual impact

3358
04:17:48,600 --> 04:17:55,120
of the third floor, the structure and the street scape were revised as well, applicant further

3359
04:17:55,120 --> 04:17:58,620
revised the front facade to reduce the front variant front variant saw.

3360
04:17:59,520 --> 04:18:06,700
So, from March to June, you can see the changes that were made, especially on the front,

3361
04:18:06,960 --> 04:18:12,400
you see now you can see a tiered terrace, instead of a straight forehead wall, as I called

3362
04:18:12,400 --> 04:18:13,100
it.

3363
04:18:13,100 --> 04:18:20,360
And the third floor has been significantly reduced as well as the overhangs where the

3364
04:18:20,360 --> 04:18:24,160
roof structure on the addition have been reduced a little bit.

3365
04:18:24,160 --> 04:18:37,920
From June to July, you again see the change what we made from June to July, where we took out a portion of that front facade to basically,

3366
04:18:38,600 --> 04:18:45,220
it was at the neighbor's suggestion and request that we take that out so they would have a view corridor of the water, we were happy to do that.

3367
04:18:46,530 --> 04:18:51,390
This is the FEMA flood map that is causing all of these problems and concerns.

3368
04:18:51,710 --> 04:18:56,130
You see that the zone AE has an elevation of 8 feet.

3369
04:18:56,670 --> 04:19:03,890
However, the Florida building code requires you to go up an additional foot from the 8 feet.

3370
04:19:04,030 --> 04:19:09,190
So now the new base floor elevation is going to be 9 feet.

3371
04:19:10,090 --> 04:19:14,430
This is some documentation that shows something really interesting.

3372
04:19:14,430 --> 04:19:21,430
The annual flood insurance premiums decrease every foot above the base floor elevation.

3373
04:19:22,270 --> 04:19:32,510
So, four feet above base floor elevation is estimated to receive a 50% discount and annual flood insurance premiums.

3374
04:19:32,710 --> 04:19:32,890
Why?

3375
04:19:33,470 --> 04:19:38,410
Because the structure is higher and less prone to flooding.

3376
04:19:38,610 --> 04:19:39,470
Excuse me.

3377
04:19:39,470 --> 04:19:43,410
With that being said, here's the one of our first slides about elevation of structure.

3378
04:19:43,570 --> 04:19:55,230
I'm going to call up lean when from affinity architects to walk you through what all of this means and why we're elevating the structure to the height we've proposed.

3379
04:19:58,050 --> 04:19:58,730
Good evening.

3380
04:20:01,090 --> 04:20:10,750
Before I walk you to the elevation on the building section, I would like to have a minor opportunity to discuss the nature of the project.

3381
04:20:10,750 --> 04:20:17,210
and how we got about getting involved in this very important project for us and for the client.

3382
04:20:18,050 --> 04:20:25,030
The first meeting that I met with our client then, as usual, as you can see from the previous

3383
04:20:25,030 --> 04:20:33,850
photo, the state of the existing building that we called historic structure due to our

3384
04:20:33,850 --> 04:20:40,870
research and the fact that the building is in the district is in a very bad state.

3385
04:20:41,510 --> 04:20:42,530
It is falling apart.

3386
04:20:42,550 --> 04:20:45,350
It has not been occupied for a long time.

3387
04:20:46,070 --> 04:20:55,030
Without knowing the scope of the project, I asked Dan what his goal is for this property.

3388
04:20:56,190 --> 04:21:03,810
And this is one of the first time I seen the passion in the client with regard to a structure

3389
04:21:03,810 --> 04:21:09,270
you know, in the array. A lot of people would say, yeah, I would tear it down in a split

3390
04:21:09,270 --> 04:21:18,090
second and build something new. If that's the code that would allow me to, then said that

3391
04:21:18,090 --> 04:21:22,890
I want to preserve everything on this project. I want to preserve the building. I want

3392
04:21:22,890 --> 04:21:30,650
to preserve the fuel and the flavor of the historic aspect of it. And I want to preserve,

3393
04:21:30,650 --> 04:21:34,290
You know, the look from the outside and the inside of the building.

3394
04:21:34,590 --> 04:21:35,710
So that's very significant.

3395
04:21:36,490 --> 04:21:39,970
He want to preserve the outside and the inside of the building.

3396
04:21:40,730 --> 04:21:46,550
And there are structural implications to doing that accurately, historically,

3397
04:21:47,830 --> 04:21:52,410
structurally, including the amount of budget that we have to be involved with.

3398
04:21:52,490 --> 04:21:56,650
So that's the nature of our first encounter on the property.

3399
04:21:56,650 --> 04:22:10,450
So if you look at the slide, the blue building or the section on the slider in blue, that is the cut section of the house of the existing house.

3400
04:22:10,830 --> 04:22:19,070
And if you notice the front section is actually about two feet lower than the main section of the house.

3401
04:22:19,590 --> 04:22:23,370
And as we were saying, we want to preserve all of that.

3402
04:22:23,370 --> 04:22:32,130
Now, come to play is the 9-feet, 9-feet, N-A-V-D requirement.

3403
04:22:33,370 --> 04:22:43,370
What N-A-V-D means is that that is about the height of the elevation above the sea water level.

3404
04:22:45,070 --> 04:22:50,210
It's a way to measure the height, vertical data.

3405
04:22:50,210 --> 04:22:54,310
That's the technical term, it North American vertical data.

3406
04:22:55,150 --> 04:23:00,510
So we are not raising the house nine feet from grade.

3407
04:23:01,390 --> 04:23:05,790
Existing grade is two feet or two and a half feet.

3408
04:23:06,290 --> 04:23:10,550
So we are raising the house up six and a half feet.

3409
04:23:12,270 --> 04:23:18,610
Okay, so to preserve that, the existing structure that Neo was talking about

3410
04:23:18,610 --> 04:23:24,410
is sitting not on great itself but on some falling apart structural elements.

3411
04:23:26,790 --> 04:23:36,370
So we raised the structure up to a point where the bottom structure of the existing elements, the building,

3412
04:23:36,990 --> 04:23:40,870
is going to be clear from the flood elevation that is required by FEMA.

3413
04:23:41,790 --> 04:23:47,410
In addition to that we want to preserve the exact state of the building

3414
04:23:47,410 --> 04:23:52,670
where there are two feet difference between the front and the end of the house and the back of the house.

3415
04:23:53,150 --> 04:23:57,070
So that's what explained the nine foot difference

3416
04:23:57,070 --> 04:24:01,230
or the description that we keep saying, we are raising the house nine feet.

3417
04:24:01,310 --> 04:24:02,690
We are not raising it nine feet.

3418
04:24:02,850 --> 04:24:08,210
We're raising it six and a half feet to meet with the FEMA elevation.

3419
04:24:09,230 --> 04:24:14,170
The back of the addition, where we're asking for the new addition behind the house,

3420
04:24:14,170 --> 04:24:17,290
is also complying at nine feet.

3421
04:24:17,910 --> 04:24:22,250
So we are not asking for more than the female allowed.

3422
04:24:22,950 --> 04:24:24,350
So that's it.

3423
04:24:24,350 --> 04:24:25,130
Thank you.

3424
04:24:25,190 --> 04:24:25,510
Thank you.

3425
04:24:26,450 --> 04:24:29,110
I'm gonna get into what we're asking for tonight

3426
04:24:29,110 --> 04:24:31,270
because the list is long and distinguished.

3427
04:24:32,130 --> 04:24:34,490
Certificate of appropriateness, relocations

3428
04:24:34,490 --> 04:24:37,150
for the vertical relocation of the existing home

3429
04:24:37,150 --> 04:24:37,990
in the guest cottage.

3430
04:24:38,710 --> 04:24:42,350
Variances on the front side rear and side interior setbacks.

3431
04:24:42,350 --> 04:24:46,670
waivers for secondary and supportive and visual compatibility standard,

3432
04:24:46,910 --> 04:24:50,290
building high-plane visual compatibility standard and scale of a building

3433
04:24:50,290 --> 04:24:52,510
visual compatibility standard.

3434
04:24:53,070 --> 04:24:56,570
Seems like a lot and we're going to dive into it.

3435
04:24:57,170 --> 04:24:58,310
Certificate of appropriateness.

3436
04:24:58,490 --> 04:25:04,390
So you have findings here that have to be consistent with objective HPE 1.4

3437
04:25:04,390 --> 04:25:09,770
of the Historic Preservation Element section 4.51 of the Historic

3438
04:25:09,770 --> 04:25:14,550
or a Beach Historic Preservation Guidelines in the Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation.

3439
04:25:16,010 --> 04:25:24,610
So 2.4, I'm sorry, the objective, HPE 1.4, that is to implement appropriate and compatible

3440
04:25:24,610 --> 04:25:29,250
design and planning strategies for historic sites and properties within historic districts.

3441
04:25:29,990 --> 04:25:36,210
Then sub 1.4.1 says that continue to require the Historic Preservation Board to make findings

3442
04:25:36,210 --> 04:25:40,790
any land use or development application for a historic structure site, or within a historic district

3443
04:25:40,790 --> 04:25:45,170
is consistent with the provisions of the Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation

3444
04:25:45,170 --> 04:25:49,090
and the land development regulations and Dora Beach Historic Preservation Guidelines.

3445
04:25:49,510 --> 04:25:55,730
Well, happy to report that that happened to the historic preservation board made those findings

3446
04:25:55,730 --> 04:25:56,490
previously.

3447
04:25:57,250 --> 04:26:02,930
Secondly, the FEMA Florida Building Code requirement to raise nine feet impacts the preservation

3448
04:26:02,930 --> 04:26:05,070
of structures not just on this property.

3449
04:26:05,070 --> 04:26:14,950
But on every property in the Marina Historic District, property is an existing, this property is an existing non-conforming lot and is extremely

3450
04:26:14,950 --> 04:26:25,950
small and constrained, so the options are limited and to come into compliance with today's standards as well as to save and preserve the home.

3451
04:26:25,950 --> 04:26:32,230
Section 4.1 of the LDR's talks about carports and garages.

3452
04:26:32,310 --> 04:26:35,750
I know the staff has a lot of consternation about the garage.

3453
04:26:36,470 --> 04:26:40,330
Well, garages and carports are encouraged to be oriented

3454
04:26:40,330 --> 04:26:46,070
so that they may be accessed from the side or rear and out of you from the public right way.

3455
04:26:46,370 --> 04:26:51,250
Ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly what we did by designing the garage

3456
04:26:51,250 --> 04:26:58,370
to be part of that nine-foot elevation required by FEMA to go under the structure.

3457
04:26:58,730 --> 04:27:05,050
It's not visible from the public right of way and unfortunately we can't have any access

3458
04:27:05,050 --> 04:27:07,050
to the rear of the property, it's fully developed.

3459
04:27:07,630 --> 04:27:11,890
As well as the side is so small, can't really fit a car through the side.

3460
04:27:12,370 --> 04:27:18,550
So this is what we chose and we think that this is a creative way to meet the standards

3461
04:27:18,550 --> 04:27:23,290
of 2.4.1 to a 5.

3462
04:27:24,410 --> 04:27:26,650
Secondly, with parking.

3463
04:27:28,270 --> 04:27:35,810
We understand that, again, parking shall strive to contribute to the historic nature of properties and districts.

3464
04:27:36,610 --> 04:27:42,530
I believe that somebody even proposed that we have all of our parking on Marine Way,

3465
04:27:42,710 --> 04:27:45,950
which is, again, I remind you, only 18 feet wide.

3466
04:27:45,950 --> 04:27:52,070
So having parking in front of Marine Way really isn't safe or feasible, which is why the garage is important.

3467
04:27:52,330 --> 04:27:56,490
And if you look, locate the parking adjacent to the building or in the rear row,

3468
04:27:56,630 --> 04:27:59,810
we're under the building because we can't really go adjacent or to the rear.

3469
04:28:00,330 --> 04:28:03,370
Screen parking, so it can be viewed from the right away it is.

3470
04:28:03,570 --> 04:28:06,130
Utilized existing alleys, there are none.

3471
04:28:06,390 --> 04:28:13,750
Construct new curb cuts and streets side driveways, only in areas where they are appropriate or exist to historically.

3472
04:28:13,750 --> 04:28:19,470
Well, we have done our best to provide access to this site and feel that this is a very

3473
04:28:19,470 --> 04:28:21,210
appropriate location for the driveway.

3474
04:28:21,690 --> 04:28:25,590
Use appropriate materials of the driveway, of course, in the driveway type should convey

3475
04:28:25,590 --> 04:28:28,070
the historic character of the district and the property.

3476
04:28:29,590 --> 04:28:33,590
Then we get to your historic Delory Beach Historic Preservation Guidelines.

3477
04:28:34,050 --> 04:28:38,830
And I'm going to go to historic, or sorry, Hurricane Preparation, which is actually, oh,

3478
04:28:38,830 --> 04:28:39,370
this isn't working.

3479
04:28:39,710 --> 04:28:42,410
But it's called, it's on one of those slides.

3480
04:28:42,410 --> 04:28:43,790
I'm going to read what it says.

3481
04:28:44,270 --> 04:28:46,670
There's a balancing, oh, it says specifically.

3482
04:28:47,450 --> 04:28:49,390
Owners of historic buildings are subject

3483
04:28:49,390 --> 04:28:54,630
to a balancing act in which they must weigh disaster

3484
04:28:54,630 --> 04:28:59,870
preparedness against the overall goals of protecting

3485
04:28:59,870 --> 04:29:02,130
the character of the historic property itself.

3486
04:29:02,890 --> 04:29:04,630
It's a balancing act.

3487
04:29:04,690 --> 04:29:09,730
It is not a hard, fast stringent to the rules,

3488
04:29:09,910 --> 04:29:10,750
sticking to the rules.

3489
04:29:10,750 --> 04:29:15,110
This is a balancing act when we're dealing with hurricane preparedness, and the Secretary of

3490
04:29:15,110 --> 04:29:18,630
Interior even goes on to say that, I'll show you that in a second.

3491
04:29:19,510 --> 04:29:23,750
So when we get to the standards, there are, I think, six or seven standards that are applicable.

3492
04:29:24,010 --> 04:29:30,130
Standard one, the property shall be used for hits his historic purpose, excuse me.

3493
04:29:30,630 --> 04:29:32,250
The property was used as a residential.

3494
04:29:32,530 --> 04:29:36,270
It will be continued to be used as a residential, so we meet that standard.

3495
04:29:37,430 --> 04:29:37,990
Standard two.

3496
04:29:37,990 --> 04:29:42,950
The historic character of a property shall be retained and preserved, removal of the

3497
04:29:42,950 --> 04:29:48,990
historic materials or alteration of features and spaces that characterize a property shall be avoided.

3498
04:29:49,770 --> 04:29:53,670
Again, all buildings are being preserved and protected here.

3499
04:29:54,070 --> 04:29:59,790
The properties in the Marine Historic District, which is characterized by various styles of architecture, including

3500
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,980
Mediterine and Revival, which this is. Buildings are being preserved, not demolished. I already said that. And the elevation of buildings we understand is causing the concern that were three stories and not two or two and a half stories as is the Mediterranean revival. But I will have you remember, because you will remember this at the end of this presentation. We are being forced to go out nine feet. We're almost forced to be going up an additional story already. So between two and a half feet plus the nine feet, we're

3501
04:30:29,980 --> 04:30:35,160
already, I'm sorry, two and a half stories, plus nine feet, where exactly where this building

3502
04:30:35,160 --> 04:30:43,920
is, 3435 feet tall, standard three. Each property shall be recognized as a physical record

3503
04:30:43,920 --> 04:30:48,340
of its time place in use, changes that create a fall sent to this historical development such

3504
04:30:48,340 --> 04:30:53,020
as adding conjectural features or architectural elements from other buildings shall not be undertaken.

3505
04:30:53,860 --> 04:30:59,280
So we aren't proposing to add any conjectural features or additional architectural elements

3506
04:30:59,280 --> 04:31:06,520
to the building. We are proposing an addition to the building as you all know. People have said

3507
04:31:06,520 --> 04:31:13,900
that it is large and massive and maybe to you it is large and massive. However, there is a point

3508
04:31:13,900 --> 04:31:22,320
to the addition. It is enough of an addition to make the property useful as a single family home as a

3509
04:31:22,320 --> 04:31:27,660
Because right now, the property that's not seen even that,

3510
04:31:27,760 --> 04:31:29,220
how built up it can't is not even available,

3511
04:31:29,920 --> 04:31:32,580
but the living spaces are so small

3512
04:31:32,580 --> 04:31:37,140
that I don't think it justifies the value of the property.

3513
04:31:38,680 --> 04:31:41,660
Additionally, our goal is to preserve and protect the buildings.

3514
04:31:42,040 --> 04:31:43,800
We've never even asked about demolition.

3515
04:31:44,220 --> 04:31:47,600
We've took design cues and intent from the preserved structure

3516
04:31:48,060 --> 04:31:49,720
and we'll get to that in a second.

3517
04:31:50,880 --> 04:31:57,620
This is another graphic of the elevation, but I think we want to talk about this elevation

3518
04:31:57,620 --> 04:32:00,740
graphic very shortly so we can make it through the presentation.

3519
04:32:01,820 --> 04:32:09,540
Okay, so as you can see, the blue section is existing house and the portion on the left

3520
04:32:09,540 --> 04:32:11,340
is the addition.

3521
04:32:11,340 --> 04:32:20,460
If you look at the first floor, that is at 9 feet elevation, and that's, again, is a 9 feet

3522
04:32:20,460 --> 04:32:30,220
NAD that we have to do, which is one foot above the flat zone that is required at AE8.

3523
04:32:30,420 --> 04:32:38,380
In addition to that, as we were mentioning earlier, if you look at the lighter finish floor underneath

3524
04:32:38,380 --> 04:32:46,140
the blue section of the building. Right now we are showing that to indicate the floor structure

3525
04:32:46,140 --> 04:32:53,620
of the building. But realistically speaking, you cannot support the existing structure with

3526
04:32:53,620 --> 04:33:00,580
just, you know, there is no possibility structure engineering wise to support the existing building

3527
04:33:00,580 --> 04:33:06,920
with eight inch or, you know, less than a foot of structural member that are already falling apart.

3528
04:33:06,920 --> 04:33:17,500
So the rationale for the space above the cars that people are saying, why are we having a garage underneath that building?

3529
04:33:18,200 --> 04:33:23,660
The fact that we have to raise that building up to preserve it from the future flood is one of the requirements.

3530
04:33:24,360 --> 04:33:31,640
The second thing I want to add is the ceiling of that garage is going to be at eight feet.

3531
04:33:31,640 --> 04:33:44,800
that is as minimal as you can get for a garage structure for for ceiling. So that is the main reason why we have the elevation set the way it is.

3532
04:33:45,080 --> 04:33:56,720
The last thing I want to make is, on the addition itself, the highest level, the roof deck of the highest level on the third floor,

3533
04:33:56,720 --> 04:34:05,440
comply with the requirement in the city and every other city in South Florida, which is 35 feet.

3534
04:34:05,860 --> 04:34:12,380
So we're not asking for any more than the exact requirement that the city is allowing us.

3535
04:34:13,780 --> 04:34:21,000
Thank you, Huay. Let me get back to the Secretary of Interior Standards. We have Standard 9,

3536
04:34:21,760 --> 04:34:26,640
which I'm going to highlight, the new work shall be differentiated from the old and shall be

3537
04:34:26,640 --> 04:34:30,120
compatible with the massing size and scale architectural features to protect this

3538
04:34:30,120 --> 04:34:35,760
historic integrity and property and its environment. Again, as far as the internet is concerned,

3539
04:34:36,040 --> 04:34:40,580
the new work is compatible with features to protect this historic integrity of the property,

3540
04:34:41,440 --> 04:34:48,840
preserving the house for reuse requires a larger than normal addition to bring this property and

3541
04:34:48,840 --> 04:34:59,060
home into today's standards while maintaining the historic integrity and preservation of

3542
04:34:59,060 --> 04:35:08,140
the home. Again, I wanted to be very clear. FEMA reviews has created this issue with the

3543
04:35:08,140 --> 04:35:14,140
going up eight feet plus the one is nine. They review flood maps every five years or sooner

3544
04:35:14,140 --> 04:35:15,900
if there are events.

3545
04:35:16,760 --> 04:35:18,820
So in five years or less than that,

3546
04:35:18,860 --> 04:35:21,880
we could be talking about 10, 11 or 12.

3547
04:35:22,360 --> 04:35:24,900
And this district would be subject to that.

3548
04:35:26,760 --> 04:35:30,700
There are more standards with related to natural hazards.

3549
04:35:31,020 --> 04:35:34,540
I can't even read my own handwriting in here.

3550
04:35:34,680 --> 04:35:39,800
But you can see that we believe we've addressed the recommendations

3551
04:35:40,320 --> 04:35:42,800
and addressed some of the not recommendations

3552
04:35:42,800 --> 04:35:47,080
to show how our project complies with that.

3553
04:35:48,500 --> 04:35:50,220
This is my slide.

3554
04:35:50,240 --> 04:35:52,740
This is the slide that I really enjoy,

3555
04:35:52,820 --> 04:35:56,420
because I looked at the Secretary of Interior Standards rehabilitation

3556
04:35:56,420 --> 04:35:59,800
and they did a guidelines on flood adaptation

3557
04:35:59,800 --> 04:36:02,040
for rehabilitating historic structures.

3558
04:36:02,680 --> 04:36:05,700
And in the forward of the text, it says,

3559
04:36:05,700 --> 04:36:07,120
and I have it highlighted here.

3560
04:36:07,720 --> 04:36:09,720
Treatments described here are a means of preserving

3561
04:36:09,720 --> 04:36:11,680
historic properties located in floods,

3562
04:36:11,680 --> 04:36:15,100
prone areas and making them more resilient to flooding hazards.

3563
04:36:15,740 --> 04:36:21,040
Flood events can be particularly destructive to historic buildings, and therefore may require

3564
04:36:21,040 --> 04:36:23,520
greater adaptive treatments.

3565
04:36:24,220 --> 04:36:27,860
While many of these treatments can be undertaken with minimal effects on this historic

3566
04:36:27,860 --> 04:36:36,300
character of a property, some may require more change than would normally be acceptable.

3567
04:36:37,120 --> 04:36:42,680
Commissioners, we are not saying that the changes proposed to this structure would be acceptable

3568
04:36:42,680 --> 04:36:50,060
in historic district away from a marineway that weren't subject to a nine-foot height requirement

3569
04:36:50,060 --> 04:36:52,060
or an increase, excuse me.

3570
04:36:52,500 --> 04:36:58,660
We're saying that because of the flooding, because of FEMA, that the changes that we are proposing

3571
04:36:58,660 --> 04:37:04,440
are more than normal than normal, and everybody will agree to that because they're necessary.

3572
04:37:04,440 --> 04:37:09,700
And the Secretary of Interior said, yeah, that makes sense.

3573
04:37:10,200 --> 04:37:16,640
If you're in a flood prone area, you may have to take more action than is normal when preserving properties.

3574
04:37:17,860 --> 04:37:22,320
They go on to say, adaptation treatment should further reduce the risk of flood damage as possible,

3575
04:37:22,560 --> 04:37:26,020
but it should do so without destroying significant historic materials features or spaces.

3576
04:37:27,120 --> 04:37:29,820
There are property considerations in the middle.

3577
04:37:29,820 --> 04:37:32,840
I'm just going to read the top highlight, which says the size,

3578
04:37:32,840 --> 04:37:39,960
scale height and massing of a building will affect how much change and height may be acceptable without impacting the

3579
04:37:39,960 --> 04:37:48,260
Historic character of the property establishing a universal standard or our measurement for how high any given building can be elevated is not possible

3580
04:37:48,960 --> 04:37:56,120
All right, so with that being said we looked at some of these guidelines and highlighted the fact that you know

3581
04:37:56,120 --> 04:37:59,920
identifying and retaining historic massing size and form and proportional relationships

3582
04:37:59,920 --> 04:38:06,700
while ladies and gentlemen, the district is getting increased by nine feet minimally

3583
04:38:06,700 --> 04:38:09,380
due to the flood to the FEMA regulations.

3584
04:38:10,380 --> 04:38:14,700
The design, next one, designing a new foundation that preserves the historic character of the building.

3585
04:38:15,280 --> 04:38:16,400
We're doing that.

3586
04:38:16,700 --> 04:38:20,840
Using existing attributes and features such as large-sized tall building, high visible

3587
04:38:20,840 --> 04:38:25,580
foundation, portraits or terraces and steps, stairs and steps to minimize the impact and

3588
04:38:25,580 --> 04:38:27,420
alterations to the historic character of the property.

3589
04:38:28,000 --> 04:38:30,540
We're doing that, not recommended,

3590
04:38:30,840 --> 04:38:33,220
elevating a small scale or one story building

3591
04:38:33,220 --> 04:38:35,620
to heights approaching an additional full story.

3592
04:38:36,120 --> 04:38:38,460
Well, unfortunately, we have to do that

3593
04:38:38,460 --> 04:38:42,120
because FEMA's requiring that nine foot increase.

3594
04:38:43,220 --> 04:38:46,120
Again, new foundation, constructing a new foundation

3595
04:38:46,120 --> 04:38:48,560
that is compatible with the historic character of the building,

3596
04:38:49,040 --> 04:38:51,600
our foundation doesn't impact this door character of the building.

3597
04:38:51,720 --> 04:38:54,620
It actually makes it better by allowing cars

3598
04:38:54,620 --> 04:39:00,280
to park under the building, using creative design techniques to minimize the perception and change

3599
04:39:00,280 --> 04:39:04,080
and height and appearance of the foundation and historic building where compatible,

3600
04:39:04,740 --> 04:39:11,100
terracing of front and the garage, which are the terracing is very reminiscent of Mediterranean

3601
04:39:11,100 --> 04:39:11,900
revival.

3602
04:39:14,380 --> 04:39:18,340
Designing new driveways and parking areas are patio, so they are not obtrusive or possible.

3603
04:39:18,580 --> 04:39:19,220
We're doing that.

3604
04:39:19,420 --> 04:39:20,220
You get the flavor.

3605
04:39:20,220 --> 04:39:25,480
So I want to get to a visual compatibility standard so I'd like 13 minutes to do so much stuff.

3606
04:39:26,480 --> 04:39:35,820
All right, so long story short, as far as height goes, the structure is within the 35 foot height limit and as you know we're going up because of FEMA.

3607
04:39:36,800 --> 04:39:40,720
Our neighbors to the north and our neighbors to the south both support this project.

3608
04:39:41,660 --> 04:39:50,200
Windows and doors, modifications to Windows and doors have been made to address FEMA and to address our historical context as best as we can.

3609
04:39:50,200 --> 04:39:56,940
the rhythm of solace, the voids. Again, we have embraced the tiered terrorist idea from HPB into the design.

3610
04:39:58,800 --> 04:40:03,760
There are other visible compatibility standards. I want to get with the last remaining few minutes.

3611
04:40:03,760 --> 04:40:07,280
I want to get to the waivers and to the variants. I think those are important.

3612
04:40:09,780 --> 04:40:15,100
The relocations, again, I have responses to all the different criteria.

3613
04:40:15,100 --> 04:40:19,280
your staff made a very thorough staff report.

3614
04:40:20,240 --> 04:40:22,260
Some of the stuff we didn't love to be honest with you,

3615
04:40:22,340 --> 04:40:24,920
but we read all of it, and digested it,

3616
04:40:24,920 --> 04:40:28,300
and have tried to synthesize it as best as possible.

3617
04:40:29,580 --> 04:40:30,960
I want to get to the variances.

3618
04:40:31,900 --> 04:40:33,880
So, therefore, variances requested,

3619
04:40:35,640 --> 04:40:39,560
some continue what is existing, some do not.

3620
04:40:40,060 --> 04:40:41,140
I don't get to all of them.

3621
04:40:41,140 --> 04:40:46,520
And here's the front setback variance that is what is shown on the site plan.

3622
04:40:47,980 --> 04:40:56,220
And you can see we are proposing 9.8 feet to 12.7 feet of feet of feet, whereas the existing

3623
04:40:56,220 --> 04:40:58,360
is 17.7 to 20.6.

3624
04:40:59,000 --> 04:41:06,540
Again, this is the smallest variance necessary to comply with the FEMA requirements and the

3625
04:41:06,540 --> 04:41:11,120
site constraints in order to preserve the property, which I think is everybody's goal here.

3626
04:41:11,120 --> 04:41:18,580
tonight. Special conditions do exist because we are in a FEMA floodplain that requires the elevation

3627
04:41:18,580 --> 04:41:26,640
of at least nine feet as well as the lock is extremely small. It's probably smaller than

3628
04:41:26,640 --> 04:41:37,720
any other lock on that block. The garage is creative solution and that is one more. Yeah, that's

3629
04:41:37,720 --> 04:41:48,860
front setback variants or the south setback variants, which is 2.3 feet and we're proposing

3630
04:41:48,860 --> 04:41:55,380
to that's the existing setback, we're proposing to maintain that line after conversations

3631
04:41:55,380 --> 04:41:56,700
with staff at the beginning.

3632
04:41:58,800 --> 04:42:01,620
So, criteria, it's necessary to maintain the story character

3633
04:42:01,620 --> 04:42:08,080
of the property. Again, we're complying with FEMA to go up to go up in order to preserve the property.

3634
04:42:08,460 --> 04:42:16,100
The site constraints require us really to go up in order to preserve the building, the site is so small.

3635
04:42:16,560 --> 04:42:27,640
The building is so small in order to make it feasible from not even a living perspective, just a development perspective we need to go up.

3636
04:42:28,380 --> 04:42:34,340
Special conditions include the small lot and site constraints, the existing non-conforming

3637
04:42:34,340 --> 04:42:40,340
south side setback and again the FEMA requirement, the literal interpretation of the provisions,

3638
04:42:41,420 --> 04:42:45,140
all through the historic character of the historic district or historic sites, such an

3639
04:42:45,140 --> 04:42:46,660
extent that it would not be feasible.

3640
04:42:47,740 --> 04:42:52,660
We believe that the south setback is already at 2.3, which is a non-conforming, adding this

3641
04:42:52,660 --> 04:42:56,440
to the existing setback line does an increase

3642
04:42:56,440 --> 04:42:58,320
the non-conformity.

3643
04:42:58,620 --> 04:43:00,760
Additionally, the neighbor to the South,

3644
04:43:00,800 --> 04:43:03,760
as I told you, it's expressed to me personally

3645
04:43:03,760 --> 04:43:08,300
and to the client that he is in full support of this project.

3646
04:43:09,180 --> 04:43:11,700
Differentials from, or the variance or possible,

3647
04:43:11,720 --> 04:43:13,780
not significantly diminish the historic character.

3648
04:43:14,220 --> 04:43:16,140
So, differentiations from old to new

3649
04:43:16,140 --> 04:43:17,840
is not feasible on the south side.

3650
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:20,540
The existing structure currently sits at 2.3,

3651
04:43:20,540 --> 04:43:29,120
is, if the current structure is already at 2.3 and is considered to store, how are we diminishing

3652
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:34,340
the historic property of the regular building, the rest of the building goes to 2.3. It really

3653
04:43:34,340 --> 04:43:39,160
doesn't make that much sense. This is the separate that was established with the building and

3654
04:43:39,160 --> 04:43:47,020
we're proposing to continue that setback. Okay, where are we? The rear West, the rear setback,

3655
04:43:47,020 --> 04:43:55,760
which is the less setback, which is already an existing non-conformity at 6.8 to the rear.

3656
04:43:55,800 --> 04:44:01,820
We're actually proposing 8.4 in the rear, which is an improvement over the existing structure

3657
04:44:01,820 --> 04:44:02,620
setback.

3658
04:44:02,900 --> 04:44:07,220
I think that one's a no-brainer because we're actually making the situation a better.

3659
04:44:08,020 --> 04:44:10,540
We're improving the non-conformity here,

3660
04:44:12,600 --> 04:44:13,880
so there's that.

3661
04:44:15,130 --> 04:44:17,890
The art encroachment variance for

3662
04:44:24,350 --> 04:44:27,330
this is for the swimming pool.

3663
04:44:28,170 --> 04:44:31,850
Maintained of variance is not the variance is necessary to maintain the historic character

3664
04:44:31,850 --> 04:44:32,510
of the property.

3665
04:44:32,770 --> 04:44:38,150
Again, the proposed swimming pool is set back to 7.6 feet from the north property line.

3666
04:44:38,550 --> 04:44:41,150
The new pool will be elevated to 9 feet.

3667
04:44:41,650 --> 04:44:46,170
The new pool at grade is 7 feet to inches from the north property line.

3668
04:44:47,030 --> 04:44:53,070
Again, we're elevating the pool due to FEMA and the existing pool is not seen from the street.

3669
04:44:53,690 --> 04:44:59,970
There are special conditions. Again, they exist for all of these variances of the FEMA requirement and the...

3670
04:45:00,300 --> 04:45:04,900
The desire to preserve and protect this property of seven minutes left.

3671
04:45:06,000 --> 04:45:07,200
Let's see,

3672
04:45:10,310 --> 04:45:14,390
literal interpretation, the variance improves and existing legal non-conformity.

3673
04:45:14,810 --> 04:45:19,950
The pool is elevated again from nine feet due to FEMA and existing pool won't be seen from the road.

3674
04:45:20,950 --> 04:45:26,370
The request of variants is necessary to accommodate appropriate adaptive reviews of historic building or structure of site.

3675
04:45:26,370 --> 04:45:30,810
Again, it is to elevate the pool, nine feet,

3676
04:45:30,970 --> 04:45:33,810
and make this property somewhat marketable.

3677
04:45:33,970 --> 04:45:34,470
Wavers,

3678
04:45:37,290 --> 04:45:38,090
this is a big one.

3679
04:45:39,090 --> 04:45:42,610
So building height plane, I guess, is in place

3680
04:45:43,310 --> 04:45:47,830
to limit height and massing on historic properties.

3681
04:45:48,290 --> 04:45:50,310
However, the building height plane

3682
04:45:50,310 --> 04:45:53,170
doesn't take into account the requirement of FEMA

3683
04:45:53,170 --> 04:45:55,890
to go up nine feet minimally.

3684
04:45:55,890 --> 04:46:01,350
You can see the existing property right now encroaches into the building high plane

3685
04:46:02,530 --> 04:46:08,190
With the nine-foot female elevation more of the structure would violate the building high plane

3686
04:46:08,730 --> 04:46:10,050
This is

3687
04:46:10,730 --> 04:46:16,270
the intrusion into the building high plane with the addition and with the nine foot

3688
04:46:18,350 --> 04:46:19,830
Repartment for FEMA

3689
04:46:20,610 --> 04:46:28,210
Again, FEMA impacts this, not just because we're raising it nine feet, but every other property,

3690
04:46:28,810 --> 04:46:34,510
along the runway, if they improve their lots, by more than 15, or to improve the structure, excuse me,

3691
04:46:34,670 --> 04:46:41,170
by 50% or more will have to raise their property up nine feet, minimally.

3692
04:46:42,010 --> 04:46:45,590
And in fact, we know that the two properties to the south of us have already in for application.

3693
04:46:45,590 --> 04:46:51,270
So, the criteria here shall not adversely affect the neighboring area.

3694
04:46:51,770 --> 04:46:55,610
Again, the historic streetscape will be raised in minimum of nine feet to preserve

3695
04:46:55,610 --> 04:46:56,650
the historic structures.

3696
04:46:56,690 --> 04:47:01,750
And we know that the two structures to the south of us already submitted applications shall not

3697
04:47:01,750 --> 04:47:03,810
significantly diminish public facilities.

3698
04:47:03,990 --> 04:47:05,490
Obviously, this doesn't.

3699
04:47:05,530 --> 04:47:07,350
She'll not create an unsafe situation.

3700
04:47:07,570 --> 04:47:10,470
The waiver doesn't create an unsafe situation here.

3701
04:47:10,930 --> 04:47:13,350
Does not result in the grant of a special privilege.

3702
04:47:13,350 --> 04:47:20,510
So, the elevation of the structure is the minimum necessary to meet the theme of requirement and preserve the structure.

3703
04:47:21,330 --> 04:47:29,360
All the other properties in the district, in this floodplain, will have to raise their structures in minimum of 9 feet again.

3704
04:47:32,400 --> 04:47:40,540
Weaver 2, additions shall be secondary, so again, shall not adversely affect the neighboring

3705
04:47:40,540 --> 04:47:41,140
area.

3706
04:47:41,620 --> 04:47:45,860
This addition is being constructed to preserve the property.

3707
04:47:47,060 --> 04:47:52,780
We have gone, we raise the pool house 30 something feet in order to preserve the pool house,

3708
04:47:53,060 --> 04:47:57,440
which again is a creative idea in order to preserve that structure.

3709
04:47:57,440 --> 04:48:03,800
She'll not significantly diminish the provision, the public facilities, there's not the claim

3710
04:48:03,800 --> 04:48:07,140
that this will, nor will it create an unsafe situation.

3711
04:48:07,760 --> 04:48:11,220
And does it result in the grant of a special privilege?

3712
04:48:11,980 --> 04:48:18,680
So the elevation of 14 feet, which I will submit, is maybe one of the elevations, but don't

3713
04:48:18,680 --> 04:48:23,180
forget the front of the house is being elevated to about 12.16 feet.

3714
04:48:23,180 --> 04:48:27,580
and as you heard from our architect, that's in order to preserve the house the right way.

3715
04:48:28,500 --> 04:48:33,860
So we don't believe that it results in the grant of a special privilege and then just the scale

3716
04:48:33,860 --> 04:48:39,100
same arguments again. The south-sept back is an existing non- conformity

3717
04:48:41,320 --> 04:48:45,400
furthermore, the everybody in the district is going to have to go up 90.

3718
04:48:46,400 --> 04:48:51,740
All right, with four minutes left, I'm going to cut this off, but I'm going to remind you of what

3719
04:48:51,740 --> 04:48:57,680
a couple of things. What the Secretary of Interior said to do in situations like this.

3720
04:48:58,140 --> 04:49:05,540
The treatments here are a means of preserving properties located in floodcron areas and making them more resilient to flooding hazards.

3721
04:49:06,000 --> 04:49:10,880
Planting events can be particularly destructive to historic buildings as we have seen with this structure.

3722
04:49:11,700 --> 04:49:16,060
While many of these treatments can be undertaken with mental effects to the historic character of a property,

3723
04:49:16,060 --> 04:49:20,020
some may require more change and would normally be acceptable.

3724
04:49:20,720 --> 04:49:26,600
This nine-foot elevation and the desire to save the building.

3725
04:49:27,040 --> 04:49:35,000
Building, excuse me, has led to the elevations as proposed and has led to the addition

3726
04:49:35,000 --> 04:49:36,620
as proposed.

3727
04:49:37,040 --> 04:49:41,500
Marineways of very narrow streetscape with a perspective that reflects that.

3728
04:49:41,500 --> 04:49:54,540
staff said a third story wouldn't necessarily be felt at grade. We agree with them. We believe that, you know, I'll save that for a bottle.

3729
04:49:55,140 --> 04:50:01,620
Easier it's easier to demolish the existing main structure and existing structure than to preserve them. It just is.

3730
04:50:02,020 --> 04:50:08,140
It's cheaper. It's better. But we're not choosing to do that. We've taken the hard road here as you can see.

3731
04:50:11,500 --> 04:50:17,720
And then lastly, the elevation is the lowest possible to meet FEMA and the Florida building

3732
04:50:17,720 --> 04:50:20,360
code while preserving the structure.

3733
04:50:21,180 --> 04:50:23,380
I know that this is larger than normal.

3734
04:50:23,960 --> 04:50:28,900
I know that this makes you make you feel uncomfortable because of the size.

3735
04:50:29,740 --> 04:50:32,700
I'm happy to have a discussion about that.

3736
04:50:32,700 --> 04:50:39,720
However, know that this is before you and we're proposing all of these to save the house.

3737
04:50:40,340 --> 04:50:44,580
Okay, I know that's what all the historic preservationists would want to do.

3738
04:50:45,180 --> 04:50:47,820
So with that, we thank you for your attention.

3739
04:50:49,380 --> 04:50:51,960
And do you have anything to add?

3740
04:50:52,900 --> 04:50:54,640
No, thank you.

3741
04:50:54,980 --> 04:50:57,100
Thank you very much to the city.

3742
04:50:57,320 --> 04:51:00,420
Okay, so the city presentation comes up.

3743
04:51:00,420 --> 04:51:08,420
I'm happy to have Michelle Hoyland who's the principal planner in charge of his tour, who knows this project and can hopefully explain it faster than I can.

3744
04:51:08,520 --> 04:51:12,440
I would also like to recognize Michelle, who's worked diligently on this as well.

3745
04:51:12,540 --> 04:51:15,340
This has been a big project. It's been in the office for a long time.

3746
04:51:16,640 --> 04:51:20,600
I do want to just say one minor thing while the presentation is pulled up there.

3747
04:51:23,040 --> 04:51:29,720
We spent a lot of time talking about the elevation, the difference between the metric of the elevation and the five feet

3748
04:51:29,720 --> 04:51:31,820
that is required at the physical lifting.

3749
04:51:32,420 --> 04:51:35,760
And I know I'm hoping that the graphics staff has will help

3750
04:51:35,760 --> 04:51:36,620
maybe clarify that.

3751
04:51:36,740 --> 04:51:39,120
That's the hardest part to grasp about this project.

3752
04:51:39,580 --> 04:51:41,060
But the other thing I do want to point out

3753
04:51:41,060 --> 04:51:44,640
is that this is an existing 1,328 square foot

3754
04:51:44,640 --> 04:51:48,660
two-story residence with a small little cottage

3755
04:51:48,660 --> 04:51:50,640
that is less than 300 square feet.

3756
04:51:50,760 --> 04:51:54,360
And what is being proposed is a series of additions

3757
04:51:54,360 --> 04:51:59,220
that bring the entire property of 5,457 square feet

3758
04:51:59,220 --> 04:52:07,380
4,900 and 22 square feet of that is under air, so it isn't just about the elevation, it's about

3759
04:52:07,380 --> 04:52:15,480
the size of the additions and I'm going to turn it over to Michelle to provide a good overview of

3760
04:52:15,480 --> 04:52:17,620
the project for you. Thanks.

3761
04:52:20,840 --> 04:52:23,740
Hello, good evening, Michelle Hoylin, principal planner for the record.

3762
04:52:23,740 --> 04:52:32,740
I do note that I'm starting my presentation just before 10 p.m. with a 10 30 stop time coming up.

3763
04:52:34,340 --> 04:52:34,760
Okay.

3764
04:52:35,580 --> 04:52:38,220
That was when he's gone.

3765
04:52:38,480 --> 04:52:40,340
That's one commission of freckles here.

3766
04:52:42,700 --> 04:52:43,820
It's 11.

3767
04:52:44,560 --> 04:52:45,680
It couldn't get that changed.

3768
04:52:46,940 --> 04:52:47,740
All right.

3769
04:52:47,740 --> 04:52:55,800
So thank you for having us this evening, the Project 46 Marine Way involves a certificate of

3770
04:52:56,960 --> 04:53:03,540
appropriateness, variances, waivers, relocation of a historic structure that sits on the west side

3771
04:53:03,540 --> 04:53:08,920
of Marine Way in the Marine Historic District. On the east side of the property is the intracosal

3772
04:53:08,920 --> 04:53:14,700
waterway. For those of us who know we have a multi-million dollar capital improvement project on

3773
04:53:14,700 --> 04:53:21,800
way to improve and for the sea level rise flooding and drive flooding and what flooding

3774
04:53:21,800 --> 04:53:27,360
that is occurring on this road. So here is a summary of the variances, waivers, and the

3775
04:53:27,360 --> 04:53:35,660
project overall as Miss Genotus indicated the square footage already. This is a 1926 Mediterranean

3776
04:53:35,660 --> 04:53:42,740
revival style structure. If you can see it here in this photograph, it's blue. I did not take

3777
04:53:42,740 --> 04:53:50,300
this photograph. I believe I took this from a realtor.com listing. On the right, you can see a

3778
04:53:50,300 --> 04:53:56,280
newer structure and on the left or two other structures in the historic district that are considered

3779
04:53:56,280 --> 04:54:01,860
contributing or historic and also as a matter of note because I may bring this up as we go along.

3780
04:54:02,340 --> 04:54:08,620
Those two projects are also in the process for renovation which is going to include vertical

3781
04:54:08,620 --> 04:54:18,280
elevation and additions. They are in a holding pattern. They've advised us as staff that they're in a holding pattern, waiting to see what develops from this

3782
04:54:19,580 --> 04:54:26,580
Request. So I'm going to move quickly through our photographs here. We can always come back. Should you like to see them?

3783
04:54:27,120 --> 04:54:34,600
This is a photograph of the rear of the property staff did tore the property. It is in

3784
04:54:34,600 --> 04:54:40,360
There has been some flooding occurring to the structure, but surprisingly we were quite impressed with the condition.

3785
04:54:40,640 --> 04:54:48,560
It's in compared to other structures that we've seen throughout our historic districts that have been subject to flooding and some that have not.

3786
04:54:49,300 --> 04:54:53,180
This is the front of the structure, the front facing marine way.

3787
04:54:54,460 --> 04:54:55,920
This is just a quick graphic.

3788
04:54:56,140 --> 04:54:59,900
Should we come need to come back to it, but this is a reminder of the project.

3789
04:54:59,900 --> 04:55:06,580
the city is embarking on to do the improvements to marine way in relation to flood resiliency.

3790
04:55:07,940 --> 04:55:12,780
That project you can see in the upper left hand corner does account for some on street parking.

3791
04:55:12,840 --> 04:55:21,700
This is not a suggestion or requirement, but it's a design option for owners who may not have parking associated with their properties.

3792
04:55:22,560 --> 04:55:29,560
So here we have the existing site plan for 46 marine weighing. It contains a two-storey

3793
04:55:29,560 --> 04:55:36,320
um 1300 plus minus square foot structure is the main structure and in the rear is an

3794
04:55:36,320 --> 04:55:41,820
accessory structure that's being used as a cottage. When it was built it was originally designed

3795
04:55:41,820 --> 04:55:49,460
for a garage. We believe both of these structures faced north where lovers lane once existed

3796
04:55:49,460 --> 04:55:56,760
demographic you can see later on and not necessarily their fronts facing east facing

3797
04:55:56,760 --> 04:56:04,380
marine way. Lovers Lane years ago was closed and the property was divided amongst this

3798
04:56:04,380 --> 04:56:09,420
site and the property to the north. There's also an existing swimming pool that's on the

3799
04:56:09,420 --> 04:56:16,460
north side of the property that's proposed for removal. Here we have a quick graphic that's

3800
04:56:16,460 --> 04:56:23,540
you a general picture of the overall improvements happening to this site, the addition to the front

3801
04:56:23,540 --> 04:56:29,460
of the structure, the addition to the rear, and then the gas cottage which is being adjusted and

3802
04:56:29,460 --> 04:56:37,360
elevated up to the third floor from grade. Here is a rendering of the front east portion of the building.

3803
04:56:37,460 --> 04:56:43,780
What's in red? You'll notice most of my graphics show what's new in red and what's existing in blue.

3804
04:56:43,780 --> 04:56:51,600
so that's what you're seeing here. Red is the existing in blue. I'm sorry. Red's a proposed in blue is the existing.

3805
04:56:52,300 --> 04:56:56,480
We can come back to this. Should you have specific questions on the square footage?

3806
04:56:57,260 --> 04:57:09,600
But this is a provision of every floor plan. I have all floor plans. Some slides hidden with a screen here that screen shot showing you the area calculations for this building.

3807
04:57:10,780 --> 04:57:17,600
I do want to touch on what, you know, the requirements for this, these projects and historic

3808
04:57:17,600 --> 04:57:22,900
districts have to comply with the City of Del Rey Beach Land Development Regulations,

3809
04:57:23,060 --> 04:57:29,240
Visual Compatibility Standards, Secretary of the Interior Standards, Visual Design Guidelines

3810
04:57:29,240 --> 04:57:32,140
has sounds like a lot to absorb.

3811
04:57:32,840 --> 04:57:38,880
But our season professionals with experience and preservation can move, you know, fairly quickly

3812
04:57:38,880 --> 04:57:43,540
through the process because they've utilized these code sections and as staff were here to provide

3813
04:57:43,540 --> 04:57:49,120
support to the property owners and applicants and how to apply these standards. I do want

3814
04:57:49,120 --> 04:57:54,900
to address that there's been some discussion amongst board members and people in the community

3815
04:57:54,900 --> 04:58:00,960
that the Secretary of the Interior Standards are recommendations. While it's true,

3816
04:58:01,140 --> 04:58:05,940
the recommended and not recommended approach in the Secretary of the Interior Standards

3817
04:58:05,940 --> 04:58:15,620
is a recommendation. They are designed to show the applicant how they can come into compliance with the 10 required secretary of the interior standards.

3818
04:58:16,660 --> 04:58:22,300
So this is what can you do? How can you design your project to be in compliance with those 10 standards?

3819
04:58:23,400 --> 04:58:28,200
Here we have one of our standards which is new additions adjacent related new construction.

3820
04:58:28,200 --> 04:58:34,960
Shelby undertaken or will be undertaken in such a manner that if removed in the future, the essential

3821
04:58:34,960 --> 04:58:40,120
form and integrity of the main structure that historic property shall be unimpaired.

3822
04:58:40,520 --> 04:58:42,940
Well, one might say, why would we be worried about this?

3823
04:58:42,960 --> 04:58:48,660
This happened with the Paul Rudolph, over on Seabreeze and Vista Delmar, there were 1980s

3824
04:58:48,660 --> 04:58:54,340
additions that occurred to that building that a future owner came along and removed so

3825
04:58:54,340 --> 04:58:56,960
that they could re-envision the historic structure.

3826
04:58:56,960 --> 04:59:03,380
If those additions were designed in such a way that they couldn't have then removed in the future,

3827
04:59:03,580 --> 04:59:06,100
it would not be in compliance with this standard.

3828
04:59:07,280 --> 04:59:12,820
This brings me to the section drawing, which is, and I'm going to do my best because say in

3829
04:59:12,820 --> 04:59:18,340
this 40-minute window, and I'm going to touch on the most imperative or important topics.

3830
04:59:19,000 --> 04:59:25,140
What we're showing you, which is a lot of info on this one section drawing, is where the historic

3831
04:59:25,140 --> 04:59:32,160
structure exists in the proposed plan, you can see it here with the blue versus the red.

3832
04:59:33,100 --> 04:59:39,100
There is concern that placing the historic structure on top of a new garage addition,

3833
04:59:39,600 --> 04:59:44,100
that that garage addition couldn't be removed in the future without affecting the historic

3834
04:59:44,100 --> 04:59:48,340
structure as it is and will become its new foundation.

3835
04:59:49,400 --> 04:59:54,060
The other structure that we're concerned about is the guest house, which is being taken from

3836
04:59:54,060 --> 04:59:57,460
grade level and elevated up to the third floor.

3837
04:59:58,100 --> 04:59:59,960
We did have discussions with the applicant.

3838
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:10,200
And suggested that they could make an application for demolition, as we advise all our applicants there entitled to do process. We have respect for private property rights.

3839
05:00:10,660 --> 05:00:21,100
I don't know that that would have been such a terrible request, but that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at moving that guesthouse up from grade level to the third floor.

3840
05:00:21,720 --> 05:00:34,260
You can see what's in red here on the left side of the blue structure is the new three-story edition and there is a new patio open porch that's terrorists in front of the existing structure.

3841
05:00:35,760 --> 05:00:50,780
Here's a photograph of that pool house and you can see it does have the screen or sliding glass doors in the front that were designed in the opening of what was the original garage, so that is still red as a garage.

3842
05:00:52,860 --> 05:00:59,060
These are additional standards, Secretary of the Interior Standard Nine, and we've already discussed ten.

3843
05:00:59,620 --> 05:01:03,760
Nine talks about new additions, external iterations, and related new construction,

3844
05:01:04,140 --> 05:01:10,600
not altering or destroying historic materials, features, spatial relationships that characterize the property,

3845
05:01:11,180 --> 05:01:13,420
and that the new work is differentiated from the old.

3846
05:01:14,340 --> 05:01:17,120
So again, reminder, here's the front of the existing structure.

3847
05:01:17,480 --> 05:01:19,660
This is the proposed rendering.

3848
05:01:19,660 --> 05:01:29,900
This is again the front, looking down the side, here is the front rendering with the south view of that wall, which we'll talk about in a little bit.

3849
05:01:30,240 --> 05:01:39,680
It's including a variance request to allow a two foot three inch south side set back to continue for all of the new addition.

3850
05:01:40,800 --> 05:01:55,140
This is the front east looking at it from the north of it what's somewhat obscured in this photograph and kind of difficult to see is the ground floor garage that hooks around the terrace area and is underneath the home.

3851
05:01:57,820 --> 05:02:04,540
I'm going to flip through these. These are, this is just too much information. I think I've got 80 some slides. We can come back to these.

3852
05:02:05,280 --> 05:02:08,440
but these are proposed and existing.

3853
05:02:09,020 --> 05:02:10,240
So, existing's on the left,

3854
05:02:10,280 --> 05:02:11,500
proposes on the right.

3855
05:02:12,280 --> 05:02:14,820
And the main thing that we see here,

3856
05:02:14,880 --> 05:02:17,300
you can see a little animation happening

3857
05:02:17,300 --> 05:02:21,320
is that, guess, structure moving up to the third floor.

3858
05:02:21,860 --> 05:02:23,760
These are those 10 standards I mentioned.

3859
05:02:23,940 --> 05:02:26,880
We're the Secretary of the Interior Guideline Book

3860
05:02:26,880 --> 05:02:29,400
with the recommended approaches,

3861
05:02:30,240 --> 05:02:32,400
a very long written book.

3862
05:02:32,400 --> 05:02:38,740
Those are designed almost like a cliff-nodes version of how to get into compliance with these 10 standards.

3863
05:02:40,300 --> 05:02:46,560
The standards we have concerns with are 1, 2, 3, 5, 9, and 10.

3864
05:02:46,800 --> 05:02:49,520
They're highlighted and discussed in the staff report.

3865
05:02:50,760 --> 05:02:54,960
And things that we're concerned about is the increase in financial or elevation.

3866
05:02:55,960 --> 05:03:01,460
So to cover the FEMA requirements, yes, FEMA did increase the maps in 2017.

3867
05:03:01,460 --> 05:03:10,200
This was a major update. There had not been a major update for a want to say decades and we knew it was coming.

3868
05:03:10,900 --> 05:03:14,580
And then we had another update that happened in 2024.

3869
05:03:15,100 --> 05:03:20,860
So the idea that they happened every five years isn't really the case. It should be the case, but it's not.

3870
05:03:21,060 --> 05:03:26,800
So we had two major jumps in our minimum finished floor elevations sent out by FEMA.

3871
05:03:26,800 --> 05:03:32,620
We are at eight, eight, eight, eight here with an additional foot for the building code.

3872
05:03:33,000 --> 05:03:40,620
So nine foot, finished floor elevation is required for this structure and if I could come back,

3873
05:03:40,640 --> 05:03:47,880
let's go to this. The image on the right, you can see there's a dash line here.

3874
05:03:54,040 --> 05:03:59,560
You can see this dash line here. That dash line essentially represents the nine.

3875
05:03:59,560 --> 05:04:03,780
That's where the structure is required to go, the minimum.

3876
05:04:04,600 --> 05:04:08,800
In this case, the structure is going up more than the minimum requirement.

3877
05:04:10,240 --> 05:04:19,040
I will save some of my discussion from Rebuttal, but it's actually going to 12.16 and 14.

3878
05:04:19,040 --> 05:04:22,440
Finish floor elevation from four.

3879
05:04:23,540 --> 05:04:30,120
So that is an increase of about 8.18 to 10 feet.

3880
05:04:30,880 --> 05:04:32,060
We'll talk more in rebuttal.

3881
05:04:32,940 --> 05:04:36,480
So this structure is increasing significantly.

3882
05:04:36,720 --> 05:04:38,180
There's freeboarding happening.

3883
05:04:38,640 --> 05:04:40,700
And part of that, as the applicant indicated,

3884
05:04:41,560 --> 05:04:45,220
is dictated by their design, their architectural design.

3885
05:04:46,700 --> 05:04:52,100
So, that triggers concerns with the Secretary of the Interior Standards about the continuous

3886
05:04:52,100 --> 05:04:58,460
wall along the south side, which is the variance, the open patio in the front porch.

3887
05:04:59,320 --> 05:05:04,140
It's a decent design and that the terracing isn't approached at the Secretary of the Interior

3888
05:05:04,140 --> 05:05:13,220
would recommend to transition alterations and height elevations that occur as a result of

3889
05:05:13,220 --> 05:05:17,300
of FEMA flooding requirements and the finished four elevations.

3890
05:05:19,120 --> 05:05:24,000
But what extends is too much is what needs to be reviewed by the board.

3891
05:05:25,620 --> 05:05:28,140
What impact is that having on the streetscape?

3892
05:05:28,700 --> 05:05:31,360
What impact is that having on the historic district?

3893
05:05:35,020 --> 05:05:39,400
There's concern that the proposal will create a false sense of historical development with

3894
05:05:39,400 --> 05:05:45,220
the structure sitting up in the air as much as it is, somewhat being engulfed by the addition

3895
05:05:45,220 --> 05:05:51,020
And that is proposed around the side and rear of the structure underneath it.

3896
05:05:51,340 --> 05:05:58,120
These images indicate how alteration of a site with regards to massing could have a negative

3897
05:05:58,120 --> 05:06:03,160
effect on visual compatibility of the whole streetscape, not just the structure.

3898
05:06:03,760 --> 05:06:09,100
I know this is so much and it's so late, and I'm so sorry, there's so much information

3899
05:06:09,100 --> 05:06:09,840
to cover.

3900
05:06:12,210 --> 05:06:15,870
I'm going to move a little bit quicker here.

3901
05:06:16,990 --> 05:06:20,110
So I want to talk a minute about these Secretary of the Interior Flood Standards.

3902
05:06:20,330 --> 05:06:28,330
So the Secretary of the Interior Standards that we apply with these recommended not recommended approaches to compliance of the ten standards.

3903
05:06:29,470 --> 05:06:36,430
The National Park Service, when FEMA increased the maps, put together a webinar, a training, and a new guidebook,

3904
05:06:36,430 --> 05:06:43,310
to provide people with guidance on how to be flood resilient and there are several different approaches.

3905
05:06:43,990 --> 05:06:51,990
Elevating a structure on its foundation is one of the last approaches per the training that an applicant should take.

3906
05:06:52,190 --> 05:06:58,530
But sometimes is necessary abandoning the lower floor, almost creating moats,

3907
05:06:58,530 --> 05:07:02,370
around the building, some digging trenches around the building,

3908
05:07:03,150 --> 05:07:04,370
there are several different approaches.

3909
05:07:05,170 --> 05:07:10,250
But the idea is yes, there is going to be some adjusting that has to happen

3910
05:07:10,870 --> 05:07:13,150
when you're in a flood zone.

3911
05:07:13,570 --> 05:07:18,650
But the treatment selected shall always be the one that minimizes the changes to the

3912
05:07:18,650 --> 05:07:19,970
historic character of the building.

3913
05:07:20,690 --> 05:07:24,730
In this image you can see on the left is the existing historic structure

3914
05:07:24,730 --> 05:07:32,830
and on the right is after the structure was elevated, which was deemed in the guideline book to not meet those standards.

3915
05:07:35,930 --> 05:07:45,010
This is another image where there's an entire floor put underneath the structure and parking is there, which was deemed to not meet the standards.

3916
05:07:45,150 --> 05:07:54,410
Because there's an alteration occurring in the features that define the space and prominent locations of the way the buildings designed.

3917
05:07:54,410 --> 05:07:57,970
This meets the standards, and you can see there's an approach here with

3918
05:07:57,970 --> 05:08:03,350
some terracing. There's one level of terracing from grade where you see

3919
05:08:03,350 --> 05:08:09,170
some hedges on top of a terrace wall. That building has been increased in

3920
05:08:09,170 --> 05:08:13,710
meets those requirements. We also have a hidden slide if you want a word for

3921
05:08:13,710 --> 05:08:18,060
word information on the visual compatibility standards, but this standards are

3922
05:08:18,730 --> 05:08:24,110
designed as a guide to the applicants how to come into compliance. These

3923
05:08:24,110 --> 05:08:31,610
requirements dictate or determine in the regulations height, front, facade, proportion,

3924
05:08:32,510 --> 05:08:37,050
they're giving the applicants the method by which they can be in compliance with historic

3925
05:08:37,050 --> 05:08:39,530
preservation of the district and that structure.

3926
05:08:41,970 --> 05:08:49,310
The proposal does not meet the requirements for some of our visual compatibility standards

3927
05:08:49,310 --> 05:08:53,870
and that is for the waivers and we're going to talk about them after the

3928
05:08:53,870 --> 05:08:54,570
variances.

3929
05:08:57,370 --> 05:09:01,910
I'm going to move through some of these visual compatibility standards

3930
05:09:01,910 --> 05:09:09,070
and come back to them because I want to talk about the variances as well before we

3931
05:09:09,070 --> 05:09:10,550
lose out on that opportunity.

3932
05:09:12,590 --> 05:09:15,530
So the proposal involves four variances requests.

3933
05:09:15,530 --> 05:09:25,350
We have a front-step act, variance requests, right now the structure is non-conforming and the request will increase the non-conformity on the front.

3934
05:09:25,930 --> 05:09:32,710
The south side, there is a non-conformity and the proposal will continue the non-conformity for all of the new addition.

3935
05:09:33,570 --> 05:09:44,230
The rear, which is the west side, has some non-conformity as well and the proposal includes a variance request to not comply with the 10-foot rear.

3936
05:09:44,230 --> 05:09:56,010
And then the north side, there is a pool proposed on top of a nine-foot tall structure that also does not comply with the minimum requirements for a pool setback.

3937
05:09:57,410 --> 05:10:09,430
One of the benefits of the historic preservation board or in effect this board making a review and decision on an application is that the incentive is that the boards can approve

3938
05:10:09,430 --> 05:10:19,330
variances and relief mechanisms in the spirit of historic preservation or preserving a structure, along with that comes a different set of findings.

3939
05:10:20,210 --> 05:10:28,310
So a lot of the requests that you look at 2.4.1185 are more traditional variance findings.

3940
05:10:28,790 --> 05:10:38,530
For historic, they are different set of findings and are geared more towards ensuring the historic compatibility and character is preserved.

3941
05:10:38,530 --> 05:10:46,010
So here you can see that those five standards that exist are largely focused on ensuring that

3942
05:10:46,010 --> 05:10:51,870
the character of a building is maintained if special circumstances or conditions exist that

3943
05:10:51,870 --> 05:10:58,710
they're reviewed that might be in the location, historic setting, literal interpretation of

3944
05:10:58,710 --> 05:11:05,170
the ordinances would alter the historic character of a building, diminishing the historic character

3945
05:11:05,170 --> 05:11:10,870
that the variance will not diminish the historic character and that the variance is necessary

3946
05:11:10,870 --> 05:11:16,370
to accommodate an appropriate adaptive reuse. Adaptive reuse is that the building can still

3947
05:11:16,370 --> 05:11:20,270
be used for some function, whether it's original or some other function.

3948
05:11:22,650 --> 05:11:24,290
So variance 1, which

3949
05:11:24,290 --> 05:11:31,010
is the front setback, e.s. There are concerns that have been addressed in the staff report, construction

3950
05:11:31,010 --> 05:11:35,430
of that garage, which we've already discussed in the raised patio and the front is increasing

3951
05:11:35,430 --> 05:11:43,370
the front, set back non-conformity that, you know, the addition could be accommodated without

3952
05:11:43,370 --> 05:11:49,090
encroaching or further encroaching, increasing that non-conforming on the front. The variants

3953
05:11:49,090 --> 05:11:54,130
could diminish historic character of the site and the district, the marine historic district.

3954
05:11:54,830 --> 05:11:59,030
It creates a concern with the project's ability to meet visual compatibility standards,

3955
05:11:59,290 --> 05:12:04,570
which I'm going to come back to. Additional waiver and relief requests are required

3956
05:12:04,570 --> 05:12:13,110
in order to have this variance and that it may not be necessary to accommodate adaptive reuse.

3957
05:12:13,830 --> 05:12:17,570
This is essentially the situation with all four variances.

3958
05:12:19,530 --> 05:12:25,670
So we've got a two foot three foot three inch setback on the south side that exists for

3959
05:12:25,670 --> 05:12:27,010
the historic structure.

3960
05:12:27,450 --> 05:12:33,550
You can see this little not-to-scale graphic but representation of the building immediately

3961
05:12:33,550 --> 05:12:41,670
to the south at 48 marineway, which sits at six foot three inches. This is combined eight foot

3962
05:12:41,670 --> 05:12:48,570
six inch distance setback between those two buildings. It is fairly narrow. We've, you know,

3963
05:12:48,650 --> 05:12:53,950
gone out and done sight inspections and looked at this condition. The entire addition,

3964
05:12:53,970 --> 05:13:01,350
so an additional 50 feet linear feet long of the building in the new addition is also proposed

3965
05:13:01,350 --> 05:13:05,150
for a two foot three inch setback, which is very small.

3966
05:13:05,370 --> 05:13:08,710
There is concerns that that could diminish the historic

3967
05:13:08,710 --> 05:13:09,810
character of the site.

3968
05:13:10,330 --> 05:13:14,090
Again, the design of the project creates concern

3969
05:13:14,090 --> 05:13:16,910
with the ability to meet the visual compatibility standards

3970
05:13:16,910 --> 05:13:20,730
as additional waivers are required in order to achieve

3971
05:13:20,730 --> 05:13:22,070
that proposed design.

3972
05:13:24,320 --> 05:13:25,900
This is the rear setback.

3973
05:13:25,960 --> 05:13:27,360
The variance will allow for portions

3974
05:13:27,360 --> 05:13:31,120
of the new three-story edition and accessory structure

3975
05:13:31,120 --> 05:13:37,860
to encroach into the rear setback, which may not provide historic context to the site, may

3976
05:13:37,860 --> 05:13:42,920
not be necessary to maintain the historic character of the property and could significantly

3977
05:13:42,920 --> 05:13:50,740
diminish historic character of the site. Again, more visual compatibility standard relief requirements

3978
05:13:50,740 --> 05:13:56,440
have to be sought in order to aid with the standard just

3979
05:14:01,370 --> 05:14:02,770
regrouping here.

3980
05:14:02,770 --> 05:14:03,630
Take a time.

3981
05:14:03,830 --> 05:14:04,050
I'm sorry.

3982
05:14:04,630 --> 05:14:07,650
I feel like this spends a million words a second.

3983
05:14:10,010 --> 05:14:15,870
The accessory structure could also remain at its existing current setback and location.

3984
05:14:17,750 --> 05:14:25,090
Variance 4, which is for the pool on the north side, that this, it's not unusual that the board would

3985
05:14:25,090 --> 05:14:30,210
or the commission potentially would approve a variance for a pool, sometimes in the front setback and different

3986
05:14:30,210 --> 05:14:36,390
because it's a ground level improvement, so they tend to be less impactful on a site.

3987
05:14:36,970 --> 05:14:43,810
But in this case, as you can see in the graphic here, the pool is actually increased six foot

3988
05:14:43,810 --> 05:14:45,170
six inches from grade.

3989
05:14:45,630 --> 05:14:51,550
So it will be up at the nine foot NAVD finish four elevation, not a grade level.

3990
05:14:52,430 --> 05:14:59,970
So as you're swimming in the pool, you're potentially, you know, neighbor can have a different view.

3991
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:08,320
Review, then they would, if you were at the ground level. Of course, that could potentially be mitigated with landscaping and things like that.

3992
05:15:08,320 --> 05:15:18,020
But there is concern that the pool being closer to the property line and on the elevated structure could have a negative effect on the historic district and the site.

3993
05:15:18,420 --> 05:15:22,260
I say could, because this is your decision to make on the deliberations.

3994
05:15:23,380 --> 05:15:29,400
So, waiver requests and forgive me, but I am going to roll back several slides.

3995
05:15:30,700 --> 05:15:34,120
We have waivers for building height plain.

3996
05:15:35,020 --> 05:15:38,360
We have waivers for scale of a building and

3997
05:15:41,080 --> 05:15:43,700
we have waiver for secondary and subordinate

3998
05:15:43,700 --> 05:15:45,460
of the addition and the rare.

3999
05:15:47,860 --> 05:15:53,820
So, we have a lot of information here for you, but I'm going to start here.

4000
05:15:53,820 --> 05:16:00,560
The city of Delray Beach visual compatibility standards outlines minimum height, maximum

4001
05:16:00,560 --> 05:16:06,760
height requirements, and this building height plane situation, and these are massing controls

4002
05:16:07,280 --> 05:16:13,440
so that the structures that are being designed or added onto in the historic district are

4003
05:16:13,440 --> 05:16:20,080
in compliance and compatible with other structures in the district, so we don't have tiny

4004
05:16:20,080 --> 05:16:27,420
houses versus McMansions. The existing historic contributing residential structure in this

4005
05:16:27,420 --> 05:16:36,240
case is a two-story structure and the proposal involves a three-story structure which in effect

4006
05:16:36,240 --> 05:16:44,700
from grade to the top of the third floor is 42 feet. We have to account for the fact that there's

4007
05:16:44,700 --> 05:16:50,960
Some freeboarding happening with that finished floor elevation, so the height of the building is 35 feet

4008
05:16:50,960 --> 05:16:58,500
But it's starting much higher than great and that that will happen in in the district and here you can see

4009
05:16:58,840 --> 05:17:05,800
What's on top is the existing structure and what's on bottom is the proposed in relation to the surrounding buildings

4010
05:17:07,440 --> 05:17:14,680
This is a graphic and I'm just going to kind of flip back and forth. You can see the big difference here are the structures to the left

4011
05:17:14,700 --> 05:17:21,420
or a self of the structure which are in progress, not a proof, but waiting review, these are

4012
05:17:21,420 --> 05:17:26,600
their proposed drawings, which could potentially change, there's nothing set in stone.

4013
05:17:28,520 --> 05:17:33,320
Visual compatibility standards regarding windows doors, there's concern on some of these

4014
05:17:33,320 --> 05:17:38,000
windows that they are not in size compatibility with the existing structure.

4015
05:17:38,000 --> 05:17:45,980
The image on the right here shows you that there's, you know, a plate glass or sliding glass door

4016
05:17:45,980 --> 05:17:52,680
from the guest cottage that's being retained along with an awning window that really could be changed

4017
05:17:52,680 --> 05:17:57,700
so that there's some compatibility with the windows and doors of the overall structure.

4018
05:17:59,300 --> 05:18:01,420
Directional expression of the front elevation.

4019
05:18:02,680 --> 05:18:07,680
So we've talked already about that we believe the building face north. There's nothing we can do.

4020
05:18:07,860 --> 05:18:12,570
We wouldn't recommend that they turn the building. They could ask for that, but they haven't.

4021
05:18:13,940 --> 05:18:18,520
So that what we're seeing as the front is technically the original side of the building.

4022
05:18:18,620 --> 05:18:23,700
But that adds to the historic integrity of the history, the telling of the history of this site.

4023
05:18:26,220 --> 05:18:51,220
Directional expression of the front elevation, more so here is when we talk about rhythms of solids of voids and, you know, the overall height, the proposed garage, these things, having an impact or potential impact on the project's ability to be truly cohesive with the existing architectural style and historic streetscape, bring up concern.

4024
05:18:51,220 --> 05:18:58,520
The little image on the left here, just for a matter of note, is the Sanborn maps from the 1920s

4025
05:18:58,520 --> 05:19:05,660
that show the house and its original location where lovers lane once existed facing the

4026
05:19:05,660 --> 05:19:07,120
front of the house facing north.

4027
05:19:07,680 --> 05:19:21,180
Then some photographs here are taken again from the internet, the realtor.com listing when the

4028
05:19:21,180 --> 05:19:22,380
This

4029
05:19:34,640 --> 05:19:39,140
is more about the recommended and not recommended approaches for visual compatibility

4030
05:19:39,140 --> 05:19:42,660
in concert with the Secretary of the Interior Standards.

4031
05:19:43,540 --> 05:19:48,300
The recommended approach is to identify, retain and preserve

4032
05:19:48,300 --> 05:19:54,360
entrances and purchase and their functional and decorative features that are important to defining the overall

4033
05:19:54,360 --> 05:20:01,940
store character of the building, the materials themselves, including masonry, wood, metal,

4034
05:20:02,500 --> 05:20:07,340
those features, doors, trancems, windows are all important to defining that character.

4035
05:20:09,800 --> 05:20:14,840
This is another item that we're going to talk about in a moment with respect to the waiver,

4036
05:20:18,300 --> 05:20:23,340
with respect to the addition, so there's six standards, individual compatibility standards

4037
05:20:23,340 --> 05:20:27,900
that talk about how do you achieve compliance with visual compatibility?

4038
05:20:29,800 --> 05:20:34,840
The concern here is that the addition is massing is so much larger than the existing

4039
05:20:34,840 --> 05:20:35,340
structure.

4040
05:20:35,820 --> 05:20:44,000
So we don't necessarily see a clear means to meeting the secondary and the subordinates

4041
05:20:44,000 --> 05:20:44,340
standard.

4042
05:20:44,840 --> 05:20:51,300
What is secondary and subordinate mean your addition should not overwhelm the massing

4043
05:20:51,300 --> 05:20:55,700
the existing structure should be smaller than more diminutive,

4044
05:20:58,120 --> 05:20:59,220
and here are some photographs

4045
05:20:59,220 --> 05:21:05,320
or some images, graphics from the applicant's presentation, again, highlighting the additions.

4046
05:21:07,560 --> 05:21:13,040
So I'm going to move forward here to the waiver request.

4047
05:21:13,260 --> 05:21:13,900
So we have three.

4048
05:21:14,060 --> 05:21:17,780
The first waiver requests involves a building height plane.

4049
05:21:17,780 --> 05:21:23,960
Your findings are the same findings for any waiver within the City of Del Ray Beach.

4050
05:21:24,840 --> 05:21:28,720
The ones that are probably the harder ones to meet are A and B, which shall not

4051
05:21:28,720 --> 05:21:31,140
adversely affect the neighboring area.

4052
05:21:31,640 --> 05:21:33,820
And D does not grant a special privilege.

4053
05:21:34,000 --> 05:21:36,520
Well, yes, we do say that there are no precedents.

4054
05:21:36,740 --> 05:21:42,800
This is one of those relief standards talking about that this request does not create

4055
05:21:42,800 --> 05:21:48,420
a special privilege, and that the same waiver could be granted under similar circumstance

4056
05:21:48,420 --> 05:21:49,460
for another property.

4057
05:21:50,540 --> 05:21:51,620
So building height plain.

4058
05:21:54,310 --> 05:22:01,070
This is a design mechanism where an invisible line is taken from the property line intersection

4059
05:22:01,650 --> 05:22:05,630
with grade and extended at a two to one ratio back.

4060
05:22:05,870 --> 05:22:07,470
This is what you see in a stash line.

4061
05:22:08,090 --> 05:22:11,390
Anything above the stash line is the no-build zone.

4062
05:22:12,550 --> 05:22:17,870
In this instance, this building is probably the existing historic structure, which in this

4063
05:22:17,870 --> 05:22:24,810
case is shown in red, there's no way it wouldn't not be in the no built zone because

4064
05:22:24,810 --> 05:22:27,150
of the FEMA finished floor elevation requirements.

4065
05:22:28,230 --> 05:22:32,790
So we could see where a waiver would be supportable for the existing historic structure.

4066
05:22:33,130 --> 05:22:41,370
The question is, is the waiver necessary for all of the additional addition area on the

4067
05:22:41,370 --> 05:22:48,710
up here. All of this is in the no-built zone. So that that needs to be reviewed and then

4068
05:22:48,710 --> 05:22:54,070
here are your waiver findings and justifications from the applicant's, you know, in the

4069
05:22:54,070 --> 05:22:59,610
staff report, but the lower elevation of the finished floor elevation would reduce the overall

4070
05:22:59,610 --> 05:23:03,030
impact of that building shifting into the no-built zone.

4071
05:23:05,210 --> 05:23:06,630
The second area in the subordinate

4072
05:23:06,630 --> 05:23:10,770
waiver, which I just mentioned about the massing being more

4073
05:23:10,770 --> 05:23:14,690
diminutive of the addition to the existing historic structure.

4074
05:23:15,870 --> 05:23:20,930
So in this case, we're looking at what's read is this massing

4075
05:23:20,930 --> 05:23:23,370
appropriate for the historic structure.

4076
05:23:24,330 --> 05:23:29,850
Again, the proposed waiver creates concern with the project

4077
05:23:29,850 --> 05:23:33,010
ability to meet the standard and could potentially

4078
05:23:33,010 --> 05:23:35,330
have a negative effect on the historic integrity

4079
05:23:35,330 --> 05:23:42,450
of the existing structure, more appropriate addition should not overwhelm that one story, especially

4080
05:23:42,450 --> 05:23:44,410
two stories structure in general.

4081
05:23:46,580 --> 05:23:53,340
Waver Request 3 is a particularly applicable to the south setback, so this is scale of

4082
05:23:53,340 --> 05:23:55,720
a building, another massing control.

4083
05:23:56,380 --> 05:23:58,340
Focus here on the image on the right.

4084
05:23:59,300 --> 05:24:06,000
This is a calculation that's done when a building is greater than 50% of the depth of the

4085
05:24:06,000 --> 05:24:11,540
overall lot that additional articulations are supposed to be created pushing part of the building

4086
05:24:11,540 --> 05:24:17,540
in additional setbacks when it's above the one story measurements. So your second and third

4087
05:24:17,540 --> 05:24:23,700
floor should have articulations that push in and what you can have in these areas are balconies

4088
05:24:23,700 --> 05:24:31,680
or balconets or some other method of creating less impact of that massing on the adjacent properties.

4089
05:24:31,680 --> 05:24:37,580
In this case there are zero articulations proposed along the south side of the building.

4090
05:24:38,400 --> 05:24:43,860
So not only do we have a two foot three inch set back along the south side but the overall

4091
05:24:43,860 --> 05:24:51,580
massing of the entire building which is sitting at 42 feet from grade at the top of the building has no side articulations.

4092
05:24:52,880 --> 05:25:00,240
There's concerns that we are triggering again with these waver minimum waver standards that the building

4093
05:25:00,240 --> 05:25:05,260
could overwhelm the historic residents have an impact upon adjacent properties.

4094
05:25:06,600 --> 05:25:14,240
I do want to note that with our Marina Historic District in the 2000s,

4095
05:25:14,300 --> 05:25:21,160
90s 2000s, there was a run for large additions and massing and new structures

4096
05:25:21,160 --> 05:25:25,680
that were all built south of southeast Thur Street along 7th Avenue.

4097
05:25:26,820 --> 05:25:34,460
A huge handfuls of really beautiful new modern homes in the historic district.

4098
05:25:35,460 --> 05:25:40,360
When the consultant came through to reassess the integrity of the historic district,

4099
05:25:40,640 --> 05:25:45,600
staff doesn't do this, we engage a consultant to do a look back every five to ten years.

4100
05:25:45,600 --> 05:26:08,000
They said that the entire all but two properties sell section from the third street to fourth street was completely inappropriate in size, massing architecture in complete juxtaposition with the historic district and they suggested we remove that entire block.

4101
05:26:08,000 --> 05:26:10,280
So that's what can happen, right?

4102
05:26:10,900 --> 05:26:14,600
What's the effect of approving a project like this?

4103
05:26:14,980 --> 05:26:19,140
It's the domino effect that we could have this property,

4104
05:26:19,340 --> 05:26:21,460
the next property, the property, next to it,

4105
05:26:21,620 --> 05:26:24,360
all three of them come through because the next two

4106
05:26:24,360 --> 05:26:27,640
are going to say, you know, well, this is this really not

4107
05:26:27,640 --> 05:26:31,520
granting a special privilege because, you know,

4108
05:26:31,720 --> 05:26:33,960
you granted a waiver on another property that,

4109
05:26:33,960 --> 05:26:36,040
that same waiver could be approved on my property.

4110
05:26:36,040 --> 05:26:40,740
So it kind of creates a snowball effect, that's the protection of the streetscape.

4111
05:26:40,940 --> 05:26:47,220
These are high altitude looks and we've been down in the details of these

4112
05:26:47,220 --> 05:26:51,820
of this proposal. It's a lot of technical review and as the applicant said,

4113
05:26:51,960 --> 05:27:01,560
you know, here's the big one. So the relocation criteria is here. This again is both structures

4114
05:27:01,560 --> 05:27:07,900
are vertically relocating. So we think relocation that we're moving buildings around districts,

4115
05:27:08,780 --> 05:27:16,740
horizontally, we apply the relocation criteria when vertical relocation happens to ensure that we

4116
05:27:16,740 --> 05:27:23,280
protect the soundness of a structure that there's no negative impact we can utilize the bond

4117
05:27:23,280 --> 05:27:30,100
requirements should anything get damaged in the transition of the move if you're

4118
05:27:30,100 --> 05:27:35,660
interested in seeing a successful completed in progress move. We have one at 1019

4119
05:27:35,660 --> 05:27:39,720
Nassau Street, Roy Simon was one of his last projects he worked on for the

4120
05:27:39,720 --> 05:27:44,880
Dancklers. You could ride by and see, watch the progress of that when it just came down.

4121
05:27:45,600 --> 05:27:52,420
So vertical relocation is a requirement that the board has to approve. In this case,

4122
05:27:52,420 --> 05:28:00,600
Again, the concern is the amount of vertical relocation that's happening here, elevating

4123
05:28:00,600 --> 05:28:05,160
this new, this building on a new foundation we've mentioned with that garage underneath.

4124
05:28:11,970 --> 05:28:15,330
I'm almost done, very close, 249.

4125
05:28:16,650 --> 05:28:22,270
All right, so here's a few images I've put in just in case the board wanted to know what

4126
05:28:22,270 --> 05:28:24,490
would this building look like without a third floor.

4127
05:28:24,490 --> 05:28:27,890
This is the building rendering as proposed.

4128
05:28:28,390 --> 05:28:33,790
No, we're not, we're not considering any revisions to what was presented to the HBB.

4129
05:28:34,390 --> 05:28:36,390
Okay, so I'll move past it.

4130
05:28:37,410 --> 05:28:39,030
So that's not there.

4131
05:28:39,210 --> 05:28:40,530
Pretend like I hit those.

4132
05:28:41,590 --> 05:28:42,810
So here's the rendering.

4133
05:28:43,910 --> 05:28:50,550
The applicant did submit in their presentation a slight adjustment to the front terraced area.

4134
05:28:50,550 --> 05:29:15,530
I just want to make a note that that was not part of the submittal, it was not, it's a little different than what went to HPV and while that might be something that's, you know, to be considered this request as Miss Jellon just indicated is what we have here, so we can't really consider that adjustment that was proposed on their plans.

4135
05:29:18,170 --> 05:29:20,390
This concludes my presentation.

4136
05:29:21,550 --> 05:29:23,530
I can't believe I did it in 40 minutes.

4137
05:29:24,590 --> 05:29:24,930
Thank you.

4138
05:29:24,970 --> 05:29:27,130
Get in 38 minutes and 12 20 seconds.

4139
05:29:27,570 --> 05:29:28,930
Thank you for your attention.

4140
05:29:30,730 --> 05:29:35,730
I really sorry I went on for so long, but it's the record.

4141
05:29:35,990 --> 05:29:36,570
A lot of information.

4142
05:29:37,230 --> 05:29:38,850
Those are the certificate of appropriate.

4143
05:29:39,090 --> 05:29:41,530
This finding should you need to refer back to them.

4144
05:29:45,550 --> 05:29:45,650
Okay.

4145
05:29:45,650 --> 05:29:51,610
I don't know, yeah, I'm getting tired, I'm sorry.

4146
05:29:52,110 --> 05:29:54,170
I'm just slower than I was earlier.

4147
05:29:54,430 --> 05:29:55,110
The same way there.

4148
05:29:57,710 --> 05:29:59,970
This meeting is now being open for public comment.

4149
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:11,340
Anyone wishing to speak on this application come to the lectern if your name and address for the record, and you will each have three minutes. Seeing many.

4150
05:30:19,310 --> 05:30:25,350
Good late evening, Mayor and commissioners, Price Patent 10, 20, Tamron Road.

4151
05:30:26,850 --> 05:30:33,010
I'm here on behalf of the Delory Beach Preservation Trust, where a 501-C39 profit

4152
05:30:33,010 --> 05:30:37,570
and is the complaint says we're your partners and we're your advisors.

4153
05:30:38,850 --> 05:30:48,410
to listen to the applicant's discussion of the project and the city's discussion of the project.

4154
05:30:48,470 --> 05:30:50,210
I thought they were talking about different projects.

4155
05:30:51,170 --> 05:30:57,370
They were the applicant was praising how they're saving this historic structure.

4156
05:30:57,370 --> 05:31:14,670
But when you read the 36-page report, it notes that if approved as is, it could create a complete loss of the historic integrity, a 46-minute ringing way.

4157
05:31:15,210 --> 05:31:20,010
So they're not really saving an historic house. They're destroying it with all the additions.

4158
05:31:21,910 --> 05:31:26,370
Mr. Long, I think you had an eloquent, during your eloquent approach earlier today, you're

4159
05:31:26,370 --> 05:31:29,270
talking about the state taken away homeeral rights.

4160
05:31:29,590 --> 05:31:35,330
And you said in our rights to protect our neighborhoods, I contend staff is trying to protect

4161
05:31:35,330 --> 05:31:38,510
this neighborhood for inappropriate additions.

4162
05:31:40,090 --> 05:31:41,530
I, you know, these are small lasts.

4163
05:31:41,550 --> 05:31:46,350
I've developed three or four houses on these historic houses on these lots, in this neighborhood

4164
05:31:46,350 --> 05:31:52,750
in the last 10 years. That's what I did after our retired. We need waivers. We need

4165
05:31:53,670 --> 05:31:58,950
variances. But when we did the waivers and variances, we made an addition of simply

4166
05:31:58,950 --> 05:32:10,150
800 square feet to a 2800 square foot bungalow. We took two small townhouses and 900 square

4167
05:32:10,150 --> 05:32:15,230
feet. We made additions to make them livable up to the modern day. We added 60 square feet

4168
05:32:15,230 --> 05:32:20,350
each of those. We had another bathroom, so we had two bathrooms. We built an infill house.

4169
05:32:20,490 --> 05:32:26,470
It wasn't even historic, but FEMA said, raise it to eight feet. We raised it to eight

4170
05:32:26,470 --> 05:32:34,890
feet. We didn't go to 12 feet or 13 feet or 14 feet. So, we don't, we are not opposed

4171
05:32:34,890 --> 05:32:43,110
to, we are not opposed to waivers' variances and the billing for high playing. But to this

4172
05:32:43,110 --> 05:32:47,330
extent. I mean, I don't know how many of us need live in a 5200 square

4173
05:32:47,330 --> 05:32:51,890
for the 800 square foot house. I'm perfectly comfortable with smaller house.

4174
05:32:52,770 --> 05:32:56,910
The house is just too massive. And if you listen and you read the report,

4175
05:32:57,170 --> 05:33:00,790
you read the staff report. You can't come to any conclusion other than to

4176
05:33:00,790 --> 05:33:03,810
didn't write this. Thank you. I mean, I make family and make this our

4177
05:33:03,810 --> 05:33:05,950
resolution part of the record. I know I sent it to all of you.

4178
05:33:07,170 --> 05:33:08,990
Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much.

4179
05:33:09,310 --> 05:33:12,330
I have a question for you though, because I'm going to ask each one of you

4180
05:33:12,330 --> 05:33:18,530
the same question. We have this historic house here. It's gone through a period of, you know,

4181
05:33:18,790 --> 05:33:22,670
lots of different changes in machinations and different boards looking at it, different staffs,

4182
05:33:22,670 --> 05:33:32,570
looking at it. I understand why you don't like it, but what is your proposal? I mean, I'm trying

4183
05:33:32,570 --> 05:33:38,910
to figure out what do you, what is your proposal? I mean, if you don't like this, what is your proposal?

4184
05:33:38,910 --> 05:33:41,690
Well, what are you saying that you would have you got for it?

4185
05:33:41,810 --> 05:33:44,170
We've got no problem with lifting the house to 9 feet.

4186
05:33:44,170 --> 05:33:45,250
That's what FEMA says.

4187
05:33:45,590 --> 05:33:46,930
We've got no problem with the addition.

4188
05:33:47,150 --> 05:33:48,210
It could be 10 feet next year.

4189
05:33:48,330 --> 05:33:48,550
It could be done.

4190
05:33:49,250 --> 05:33:53,470
I mean, whatever that whatever the problem is, this in the house says we start, I don't think we

4191
05:33:53,470 --> 05:33:55,570
start at 15 feet or something.

4192
05:33:56,470 --> 05:33:58,110
I think we need to be careful.

4193
05:33:58,950 --> 05:33:59,170
I think we need to be careful.

4194
05:33:59,170 --> 05:34:01,870
Staff and the applicant have the ability to essentially...

4195
05:34:02,850 --> 05:34:05,910
Well, cost is the amount when it says it really should know that if you're going to

4196
05:34:05,910 --> 05:34:06,650
testify you.

4197
05:34:06,650 --> 05:34:07,150
Never mind.

4198
05:34:07,630 --> 05:34:08,390
Thank you very much.

4199
05:34:08,390 --> 05:34:10,750
I just want to keep the impartiality of our commission.

4200
05:34:10,970 --> 05:34:11,590
Thank you.

4201
05:34:11,590 --> 05:34:12,390
Thanks for your time.

4202
05:34:12,450 --> 05:34:12,990
Thank you very much.

4203
05:34:19,950 --> 05:34:20,510
Good evening.

4204
05:34:20,830 --> 05:34:21,510
It's getting late.

4205
05:34:21,830 --> 05:34:23,030
I'll try and be brief.

4206
05:34:23,710 --> 05:34:25,910
But the answer, Mr. Mayor, your question.

4207
05:34:26,170 --> 05:34:33,510
It's really not up to the public to redesign this building that they're proposing.

4208
05:34:34,750 --> 05:34:40,030
But my name as they did before is Sandy Zeller.

4209
05:34:40,170 --> 05:34:42,390
I live at 209 Northwest 12 Street.

4210
05:34:43,610 --> 05:35:08,490
I formally lived at 126 Marine Way in the Marine Historic District, and while for 13 years and while I was there, I was the president of the Marine Historic Historic Tomones Association, and I still have a big interest in protecting the integrity of the Marine Historic District, and that's why I'm here tonight.

4211
05:35:09,510 --> 05:35:16,450
I read the staff report, the 36-page staff report, by the Department of Development Services.

4212
05:35:16,910 --> 05:35:22,930
There are professional planners including the Director, including the Historic Preservation

4213
05:35:23,970 --> 05:35:31,070
Planer, including the Senior Historic Preservation Planer, and I fully concur with all of

4214
05:35:31,070 --> 05:35:36,750
their comments and findings that were placed on the record here tonight and their conclusions.

4215
05:35:36,750 --> 05:35:48,270
They're all very well-stated, they're all specifically detailed as to each aspect of this

4216
05:35:48,270 --> 05:35:53,870
application and how this application fails to comply with the mandatory requirements

4217
05:35:53,870 --> 05:36:01,790
of the city's LBRs, including 4.5.1, the compound, including the mandatory obligations

4218
05:36:01,790 --> 05:36:07,890
of the Historic Preservation Element, the mandatory provisions of the Delare Beach Historic

4219
05:36:07,890 --> 05:36:15,430
Preservation Design Guidelines, and the mandatory provisions of the Secretary of the

4220
05:36:15,430 --> 05:36:20,190
Interior Standards that were placed on the record.

4221
05:36:20,650 --> 05:36:28,850
That reports bells things out specifically and indicates their concerns and reasons why

4222
05:36:28,850 --> 05:36:30,790
this application should be denied.

4223
05:36:30,790 --> 05:36:37,010
The question tonight to ask yourself, I believe, is who do you trust here?

4224
05:36:38,590 --> 05:36:42,010
Who's report are you going to give credibility to?

4225
05:36:42,350 --> 05:36:48,870
Are you going to give credibility to your own professional planners who have the obligation

4226
05:36:48,870 --> 05:36:55,770
to protect the public's interest regarding the development that goes on in the city and

4227
05:36:55,770 --> 05:37:06,190
properly and accurately advise the city commissioners as to what the circumstances are concerning

4228
05:37:06,190 --> 05:37:10,990
each development and what's acceptable about a development and what's not acceptable

4229
05:37:10,990 --> 05:37:19,790
or do you trust the developer who has made their presentation who wants to maximize their

4230
05:37:19,790 --> 05:37:28,890
It's build the largest monstrosity of a building that that they can possibly build that's had a character with the marino

4231
05:37:28,890 --> 05:37:35,910
Historic District and fails to follow well those mandatory requirements. Yep. This this is up

4232
05:37:35,910 --> 05:37:37,010
I mean it's three minutes

4233
05:37:38,070 --> 05:37:39,790
I'll wrap it up then

4234
05:37:40,690 --> 05:37:46,790
The applicant knew what they bought when they bought it. They knew that they knew what to require

4235
05:37:46,790 --> 05:37:48,050
Thank you, Mr. Zelden.

4236
05:37:48,710 --> 05:37:49,990
Okay, thank you.

4237
05:37:56,610 --> 05:37:58,890
Earl and Patent in 10, 20, Tamarind Road.

4238
05:37:59,170 --> 05:38:02,750
I spent a lot of years living at 65 Palm Square tonight.

4239
05:38:03,370 --> 05:38:07,030
Like Mr. Zelder, I care a lot about the Marina Historic District.

4240
05:38:07,950 --> 05:38:13,310
Some context, the Marina District was first established in 1988

4241
05:38:13,310 --> 05:38:18,310
by the Historic Preservation Board and by this commission.

4242
05:38:20,190 --> 05:38:22,970
And since that time, families like mine

4243
05:38:22,970 --> 05:38:30,870
and countless others have spent hours and dollars to maintain the integrity of the district.

4244
05:38:32,710 --> 05:38:39,330
Federal authorities agreed and in 2014 they placed it on the National Register of Historic

4245
05:38:39,330 --> 05:38:39,890
Places.

4246
05:38:41,470 --> 05:38:46,210
This project at 46 Marine Way cancels all that.

4247
05:38:46,210 --> 05:38:50,550
It's height and mass, be lies, or historic ordinances.

4248
05:38:51,390 --> 05:38:55,010
The staff has done a fantastic job outlining that.

4249
05:38:55,790 --> 05:38:57,490
Please deny this.

4250
05:38:57,730 --> 05:38:58,830
Please listen to your staff.

4251
05:38:59,550 --> 05:39:00,410
Thank you very much.

4252
05:39:05,410 --> 05:39:10,470
Mayor, commissioners, manager, attorney, and city clerk,

4253
05:39:11,170 --> 05:39:12,270
who doesn't get enough attention.

4254
05:39:13,450 --> 05:39:14,670
My name is Jim Shard.

4255
05:39:15,270 --> 05:39:17,650
I live at 401, southeast, 4th Avenue.

4256
05:39:17,650 --> 05:39:24,830
And I had the honor of serving this city on the historic preservation board for four years.

4257
05:39:26,070 --> 05:39:29,170
And two of those years were as chair.

4258
05:39:29,990 --> 05:39:34,970
I would say that this decision of all those that came before was perhaps the hardest.

4259
05:39:35,690 --> 05:39:42,150
It is a very challenging property when you hear that it's 800 square feet.

4260
05:39:42,830 --> 05:39:48,930
You really have to be there and see how small 800 square feet is.

4261
05:39:49,850 --> 05:39:55,110
And when you see the water line from frequent flooding up to two and three feet,

4262
05:39:55,670 --> 05:39:59,410
you realize that this is a building that's going to need a lot of work.

4263
05:40:00,290 --> 05:40:06,210
I had the mixed pleasure of renovating a pre-civil war brownstone.

4264
05:40:06,890 --> 05:40:10,990
So I know what it takes to go from one period to another.

4265
05:40:10,990 --> 05:40:18,350
And when you look at our Maria Historic Districts, we have, I'm sorry, when you look at

4266
05:40:18,350 --> 05:40:25,490
our historic districts, including the Maria Historic District, there are substantial

4267
05:40:25,490 --> 05:40:28,010
increases in mass.

4268
05:40:28,610 --> 05:40:31,970
If you look in, for example, Delighted Park,

4269
05:40:34,240 --> 05:40:38,300
there are many little cabins that were 800,000

4270
05:40:38,300 --> 05:40:45,680
square feet and are now 3,000 square feet. But that's really what it takes in order to be

4271
05:40:45,680 --> 05:40:55,160
able to afford renovating a place like 46 marine way. The building needs to be or the entire

4272
05:40:55,160 --> 05:41:03,240
parcel needs to be up to modern standards in terms of kitchens living space bedrooms and so forth.

4273
05:41:03,240 --> 05:41:19,520
It is going to take a lot of money to save this building and to actually put it in a shape that somebody would want to buy it or live it.

4274
05:41:21,240 --> 05:41:25,360
And we do know that there is something called demolition by neglect.

4275
05:41:26,280 --> 05:41:31,600
And we have seen that in this city most notably at the Sunday Village.

4276
05:41:31,600 --> 05:41:38,700
that could happen here too. It's not only active demolition, it could be demolition by neglect.

4277
05:41:40,280 --> 05:41:47,380
So the HPV board spent something like four or five hours on this. They had two different sessions.

4278
05:41:47,660 --> 05:41:52,480
They framed it first. I'm sorry. Turn it down. I'm almost as bad as Neil in my head.

4279
05:41:53,660 --> 05:41:57,640
Time tied, Mr. Knight. Turn it down the first time.

4280
05:41:57,640 --> 05:42:03,560
They came back with lots and lots of changes to our recommendations and

4281
05:42:04,300 --> 05:42:07,900
I think that something needs to be said about that kind of responsibility

4282
05:42:08,560 --> 05:42:13,920
of trying to accommodate what the city is asking for.

4283
05:42:14,280 --> 05:42:14,560
Thank you.

4284
05:42:14,560 --> 05:42:15,400
Thank you, Mr. Chart.

4285
05:42:20,280 --> 05:42:21,220
Hi, my name is Dan.

4286
05:42:21,360 --> 05:42:22,620
I grew time here on the property.

4287
05:42:23,240 --> 05:42:24,240
So I am dressed this way.

4288
05:42:24,500 --> 05:42:26,660
I flew in and got caught in Dallas on the delay.

4289
05:42:26,760 --> 05:42:28,500
So I rushed to get her by five o'clock.

4290
05:42:28,660 --> 05:42:29,620
I guess it was early.

4291
05:42:29,620 --> 05:42:35,400
Michelle May I borrow your streetscape video real quick please if I could.

4292
05:42:36,880 --> 05:42:40,440
When I bought this property I've got about $4 million invested in this.

4293
05:42:40,740 --> 05:42:41,620
I have four choices.

4294
05:42:42,740 --> 05:42:44,640
One I could go and demo the property.

4295
05:42:45,300 --> 05:42:47,860
That wasn't my choice from day one and buying the property.

4296
05:42:48,640 --> 05:42:49,680
Two owning the property now.

4297
05:42:50,100 --> 05:42:51,340
I could let it sit or I.

4298
05:42:51,640 --> 05:42:52,440
And that's what it's doing.

4299
05:42:53,020 --> 05:42:54,620
It was riding before I bought it.

4300
05:42:55,720 --> 05:42:58,420
I'm a series of basically three dumps.

4301
05:42:58,420 --> 05:43:00,980
I'm the first one, unfortunately, and I hate to say that.

4302
05:43:01,280 --> 05:43:04,320
I live in this community when people get on the Atlantic lady

4303
05:43:04,320 --> 05:43:07,200
and go under that bridge, this is what they see,

4304
05:43:07,300 --> 05:43:07,920
and it's horrible.

4305
05:43:08,560 --> 05:43:11,440
And if I can point out, this is where I have to be

4306
05:43:11,440 --> 05:43:12,000
right before my

4307
05:43:17,310 --> 05:43:19,090
intention, raise that life fee.

4308
05:43:19,390 --> 05:43:20,830
It's the same length as my property.

4309
05:43:21,410 --> 05:43:25,870
What I'd ask you for one, you have to go to the mic.

4310
05:43:27,410 --> 05:43:29,050
She can go up nine feet.

4311
05:43:29,390 --> 05:43:32,870
And I talked to Gina, and she is totally in favor of this project.

4312
05:43:32,870 --> 05:43:55,290
And so it was the property of the South, unfortunately there I didn't use the architect that they're using, and that was a negative, but I spent two years with the board, the historical board, I'm a member of the Historical Society, I am trying to preserve this house, I'm doing everything I can to preserve it, it's going to cost me several extra millions of dollars to do that.

4313
05:43:55,290 --> 05:44:06,390
The third floor of the height seems to be the problem, but the house to the north can go to FEMA and be at the same height that I am by rights under FEMA.

4314
05:44:07,150 --> 05:44:10,230
The house to the south can raise 9 feet if they choose.

4315
05:44:10,930 --> 05:44:14,250
The house second to the south of that can go 9 feet if they choose.

4316
05:44:14,990 --> 05:44:21,150
So we're not talking about, I understand I'm the first one in this project, but

4317
05:44:27,580 --> 05:44:29,380
it's the right thing to do.

4318
05:44:29,380 --> 05:44:32,460
Thank you.

4319
05:44:35,430 --> 05:44:40,330
Sorry if my eyes are bloodshot. I don't even know where I am now. Kristen Finn wanted to

4320
05:44:40,330 --> 05:44:44,550
I know it's late. I swear I've not been drinking.

4321
05:44:45,210 --> 05:44:49,230
I wanted to George Bush full of art. So I live in Delight Apart,

4322
05:44:49,430 --> 05:44:52,030
because historic district live in a 1925 house.

4323
05:44:52,050 --> 05:44:56,750
I had the honorable pleasure of serving on historic preservation board for three years.

4324
05:44:58,650 --> 05:44:59,970
I am good friends.

4325
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:29,860
As with Dan and I am all about preservation in Delray. I'm acting secretary on the Delray Beach Historical Society. I did an addition to my historic house. I only added 600 square feet, but that was what I wanted. I don't think that when you buy in a historic district that you should be subject or penalized, like we're talking about height, they're not asking to go above the height that is allowed in this district.

4326
05:45:30,820 --> 05:45:57,180
When you had a chance to go and look at this property, I was able to consult with the historic preservation board and every member that came and looked at the property and saw how small it is and how, you know, once you go and look at the property, you can see that, yes, this is a rendering, architects do the renderings and I don't know if they do them, so they look huge and they look great.

4327
05:45:57,180 --> 05:46:01,920
but if you were physically on the property, you would see it's not,

4328
05:46:01,920 --> 05:46:06,300
there's not enough space between the existing property and that little pool house

4329
05:46:06,300 --> 05:46:08,160
to make it this, you know,

4330
05:46:08,320 --> 05:46:11,460
monstrosity that everybody's portraying it to be.

4331
05:46:11,740 --> 05:46:14,100
Dan is all about preservation.

4332
05:46:14,540 --> 05:46:18,460
He wants to make Delray Beach and preserve properties.

4333
05:46:19,020 --> 05:46:22,420
He's not a developer like somebody who's coming to take over.

4334
05:46:22,420 --> 05:46:23,320
He is passionate.

4335
05:46:23,480 --> 05:46:25,320
You heard the passion, that's not an act.

4336
05:46:25,320 --> 05:46:30,520
He is passionate about this. He wants to preserve it. I personally walked in the property and I said,

4337
05:46:30,600 --> 05:46:35,240
What are we preserving here? Like literally this should probably be knocked down.

4338
05:46:35,240 --> 05:46:41,500
He's not going for demolition. And I wish that all of you had the chance to go and physically see the house

4339
05:46:41,500 --> 05:46:44,860
because it is in disarray and it's not by his neglect.

4340
05:46:45,560 --> 05:46:50,820
And it's just, it's an older house and, you know, yes, he, you're right.

4341
05:46:50,820 --> 05:46:55,380
the gentleman said he knew what he was buying but you should not when you buy in a

4342
05:46:55,380 --> 05:47:00,400
historic district you should not be penalized and say oh you're allowed to go to 34 feet

4343
05:47:00,400 --> 05:47:05,720
or 35 feet but we don't want it because of the streetscape like Dan said the house to the

4344
05:47:05,720 --> 05:47:12,040
north if they if they want to raise their house they can do it so the streetscape is going to change

4345
05:47:12,040 --> 05:47:18,640
the other two houses to the south are already in I implore you guys to realize that if they if

4346
05:47:18,640 --> 05:47:20,480
You don't allow him to do this.

4347
05:47:20,560 --> 05:47:22,880
This house is going to float into the inner coastal,

4348
05:47:23,300 --> 05:47:25,100
because it's already been flooded

4349
05:47:25,100 --> 05:47:27,500
and the pictures are there to prove it.

4350
05:47:27,720 --> 05:47:29,160
Thank you.

4351
05:47:29,520 --> 05:47:29,580
Mayor.

4352
05:47:29,780 --> 05:47:31,140
Thank you very much, yes.

4353
05:47:31,260 --> 05:47:32,880
Can I just make a couple of points, please?

4354
05:47:33,840 --> 05:47:35,300
I think we need to be really mindful.

4355
05:47:35,740 --> 05:47:37,440
I'll let Mr. Coco and then I'll make my points.

4356
05:47:37,560 --> 05:47:38,200
I thought we were done.

4357
05:47:38,560 --> 05:47:38,600
Go ahead.

4358
05:47:38,780 --> 05:47:39,160
Thank you.

4359
05:47:40,040 --> 05:47:44,960
For the record, Mr. Mayor and City Council Roger Cove,

4360
05:47:44,960 --> 05:47:49,040
I think 701 southeast, first street,

4361
05:47:49,580 --> 05:47:51,940
which is about a half a block away from this site.

4362
05:47:52,400 --> 05:47:54,160
Everybody in this room is passionate about

4363
05:47:54,160 --> 05:47:55,820
this historic preservation, first of all.

4364
05:47:56,100 --> 05:47:59,000
Or we wouldn't be here five hour, five and a half hours,

4365
05:47:59,100 --> 05:48:01,560
six hours after we started at five o'clock today.

4366
05:48:02,980 --> 05:48:10,320
So, I just want to say to you that there's good architecture,

4367
05:48:11,820 --> 05:48:13,700
there's average mediocre architecture,

4368
05:48:13,700 --> 05:48:16,820
and then there's architecture that just doesn't hit on anything.

4369
05:48:17,200 --> 05:48:18,720
This thing doesn't hit on anything.

4370
05:48:19,680 --> 05:48:24,600
I am so confused after the third time listening to their presentation

4371
05:48:24,600 --> 05:48:31,340
on how the heck they got to 14 feet when FEMA is at eight.

4372
05:48:31,500 --> 05:48:33,340
The city of Bill Reis at nine.

4373
05:48:33,520 --> 05:48:39,340
Their lowest finished floor elevation, which is the front edge of the house,

4374
05:48:39,640 --> 05:48:42,360
isn't being said at either one of those.

4375
05:48:42,360 --> 05:48:49,540
It's up at 12.2, which puts the finished floor of the main house at 14.

4376
05:48:50,220 --> 05:48:56,980
That's five feet above, that's six feet above FEMA, five feet above where the city of Del Rey wants it.

4377
05:48:57,180 --> 05:48:59,680
So is it an insurance issue?

4378
05:49:00,120 --> 05:49:04,960
Because Mr. Jones started out with his presentation about insurance.

4379
05:49:05,380 --> 05:49:11,260
And so if that is the issue, there maybe there should be some clarity with that and why the heck are we all sitting

4380
05:49:11,260 --> 05:49:17,280
at nine feet then when we should be sitting at 14 feet. I mean that's a huge question.

4381
05:49:18,280 --> 05:49:26,080
This thing is 5 feet higher from its base than it needs to be. So the rest of the thing is

4382
05:49:26,080 --> 05:49:33,760
5 feet higher than it needs to be adding to the fact that it's over-designed anyway.

4383
05:49:40,620 --> 05:49:41,240
So the

4384
05:49:41,240 --> 05:49:49,100
point is, architecture 101, why the heck is the garage underneath the most important front

4385
05:49:49,100 --> 05:49:55,300
edge of the facade of this house? When it should be in the back, the pool is where the garage

4386
05:49:55,300 --> 05:50:05,540
should be, and I guess part of the logic on the 14th beat is that they've got to jam the garage

4387
05:50:05,540 --> 05:50:11,220
underneath that front edge. And so that's maybe there's some structural rationale that

4388
05:50:11,220 --> 05:50:19,040
they're using there, not quite sure, but the garage is awful and I'm a front of the

4389
05:50:19,040 --> 05:50:24,240
facade, the main facade of the house, which is exactly where it shouldn't be. Then they're

4390
05:50:24,240 --> 05:50:28,320
coming in from the side, big deal. Of course, they wouldn't be allowed to come in from

4391
05:50:28,320 --> 05:50:37,020
the front. And then the rationale that the front, moving forward of the already non-conforming

4392
05:50:37,020 --> 05:50:43,460
the front edge of the house is unprecedented in the city, so I don't understand how they

4393
05:50:43,460 --> 05:50:50,340
are even allowed to bring that to the table to take a non-conforming issue and make it

4394
05:50:50,340 --> 05:50:50,520
more and more.

4395
05:50:50,520 --> 05:50:51,680
Thank you, thank you.

4396
05:50:52,120 --> 05:50:52,220
Thank you.

4397
05:50:52,280 --> 05:50:53,900
I can talk for another five hours.

4398
05:50:54,100 --> 05:50:54,640
I'm done.

4399
05:50:56,020 --> 05:50:56,880
So, Mayor, can I make a couple of points?

4400
05:50:56,880 --> 05:50:57,520
Please don't.

4401
05:50:58,540 --> 05:51:00,040
Mayor, can I just make a couple of points?

4402
05:51:00,480 --> 05:51:04,980
According to our local rules, it is now 10.57 pm, so if you want to continue.

4403
05:51:04,980 --> 05:51:18,840
You said no, I go by that clock, it's well, the point is you have to make a motion if you want to go past the 11 which we're in the middle of an agenda item, so I think so, yeah, so I think we just in a motion to continue

4404
05:51:24,200 --> 05:51:30,100
We will deal with that. I mean the the 8 a and 8 b are a promise like they're they're quick

4405
05:51:31,700 --> 05:51:35,420
We will the rest of the items aren't that bad, but I think

4406
05:51:42,380 --> 05:51:44,560
So can we get a motion to send past 11?

4407
05:51:45,900 --> 05:51:46,060
Second.

4408
05:51:46,620 --> 05:51:47,260
All in favor.

4409
05:51:47,980 --> 05:51:48,840
Any opposed?

4410
05:51:50,400 --> 05:51:50,920
I'm not sure.

4411
05:51:51,580 --> 05:51:52,680
OK, a couple things.

4412
05:51:53,700 --> 05:51:55,060
We can't consider here, say.

4413
05:51:55,420 --> 05:51:58,660
So people can say that the neighbors don't object to it.

4414
05:51:59,000 --> 05:52:00,960
That should not be something that you should be considering today.

4415
05:52:01,040 --> 05:52:02,620
Unless the neighbor actually came here and testified.

4416
05:52:02,940 --> 05:52:03,380
So that effect.

4417
05:52:03,900 --> 05:52:04,800
This is quasi-digital.

4418
05:52:05,100 --> 05:52:08,160
So you're acting like a quasi-judge, and that's not acceptable.

4419
05:52:08,160 --> 05:52:13,300
So, and he references to what neighbor said or what people might have said when they looked at the property,

4420
05:52:13,820 --> 05:52:15,360
you should not consider those today.

4421
05:52:16,040 --> 05:52:16,640
In addition,

4422
05:52:20,610 --> 05:52:24,230
the other houses in the neighborhood, that should not be considered.

4423
05:52:24,410 --> 05:52:29,870
So things that are coming during the application process, this application stands on its own.

4424
05:52:30,070 --> 05:52:33,650
It's not going to create a precedent, it's not going to do any of those things that you worry about,

4425
05:52:33,850 --> 05:52:35,650
but it's got to stand on its own today.

4426
05:52:35,650 --> 05:52:47,310
And so I need you to also disregard what the streetscape's going to look like once those others get developed and all those references and then the last thing is each side has

4427
05:52:47,310 --> 05:52:49,950
Rebuttal but it's limited to three minutes.

4428
05:53:00,060 --> 05:53:02,180
Would the applicant like to rebut the city

4429
05:53:04,700 --> 05:53:08,160
you will have three minutes. Yes

4430
05:53:08,160 --> 05:53:13,140
Yes, Mr. Mayor. We like to perform some rebuttal not necessarily all about the city's comments

4431
05:53:13,140 --> 05:53:14,780
but some of the public comments too.

4432
05:53:15,480 --> 05:53:16,400
I'm going to start with our argument.

4433
05:53:16,400 --> 05:53:18,160
Would you wish to cross the exam in any member?

4434
05:53:18,160 --> 05:53:19,960
I'm not going to cross the exam in anybody that's

4435
05:53:19,960 --> 05:53:24,180
too formal for this time and night, but my architect does have

4436
05:53:24,180 --> 05:53:25,160
some things he'd like to say.

4437
05:53:25,220 --> 05:53:26,860
Please start a three minutes now.

4438
05:53:27,240 --> 05:53:27,840
Thank you.

4439
05:53:28,140 --> 05:53:30,400
First of all, would like to say thank you to the staff

4440
05:53:30,400 --> 05:53:33,400
for a lot of this and through the two year process

4441
05:53:33,400 --> 05:53:35,940
that we affinity architects and the client

4442
05:53:35,940 --> 05:53:37,880
and the staff went through for this project.

4443
05:53:39,700 --> 05:53:42,980
I just want to reiterate that this, the historical

4444
05:53:42,980 --> 05:53:48,400
approval approved this project after those submitted that we went through with

4445
05:53:48,400 --> 05:53:54,880
difficult and a lot of consideration through the design. Contrary to what Mr.

4446
05:53:54,980 --> 05:54:01,780
Cope was saying, the house is not set at 14 feet. The main addition is that at

4447
05:54:01,780 --> 05:54:12,960
9 feet and AVD, which is 6.5 feet more than the existing grade. I just want to

4448
05:54:12,960 --> 05:54:22,000
We really, really want to stress that this project is not as big as it seemed graphically speaking.

4449
05:54:22,220 --> 05:54:25,340
If you visited the site, it is a tiny little lot.

4450
05:54:25,880 --> 05:54:34,420
And what we had done for the massing of the job is to move the second floor and the small third floor addition to the back of the building.

4451
05:54:34,700 --> 05:54:36,800
So you will not perceive it at all.

4452
05:54:36,800 --> 05:54:44,740
The one last thing I want to add is if we have done, if we had put the garage on the driveway,

4453
05:54:45,180 --> 05:54:52,840
further into the property, we would further the, you know, the great the property and increase

4454
05:54:52,840 --> 05:54:58,700
the the nuisance of cars and automobiles to the neighbors to the north to the south and to the west of it.

4455
05:54:58,860 --> 05:55:04,200
So I just want to say, you know, we spent two years studying this working with the staff

4456
05:55:04,200 --> 05:55:07,900
to make sure that this project is in accordance

4457
05:55:07,900 --> 05:55:10,860
to what the recommendation of every party involved.

4458
05:55:11,100 --> 05:55:12,040
Thank you.

4459
05:55:13,040 --> 05:55:13,440
Thank you.

4460
05:55:13,440 --> 05:55:13,620
Mr. Schult.

4461
05:55:13,720 --> 05:55:14,060
Yes.

4462
05:55:14,100 --> 05:55:17,380
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and briefly a couple of things.

4463
05:55:18,640 --> 05:55:22,280
First, when we talk about historic preservation,

4464
05:55:22,980 --> 05:55:25,560
and I know that a lot of people like to

4465
05:55:25,560 --> 05:55:28,260
describe motives for my client, but you heard it from him,

4466
05:55:28,300 --> 05:55:32,080
and you heard this in serity in his voice that he wanted to

4467
05:55:32,080 --> 05:55:33,960
save and preserve this house.

4468
05:55:34,920 --> 05:55:41,780
You heard about the adaptive reuse and what it takes to perform a successful adaptive reuse.

4469
05:55:42,420 --> 05:55:51,040
And what saving this house actually realizes when you see the addition you see the house.

4470
05:55:52,260 --> 05:55:57,780
Just like the Secretary of Interior said, when you're dealing with flood prone areas,

4471
05:55:57,780 --> 05:56:02,120
you may have to do more in order for the preservation.

4472
05:56:03,000 --> 05:56:08,180
Tonight's vote is you guys having to do more to preserve

4473
05:56:08,180 --> 05:56:13,320
this house on Marine Way, which we know is substandard

4474
05:56:13,320 --> 05:56:19,480
and floods because I have the damage in my home that shows it.

4475
05:56:19,820 --> 05:56:21,180
And not doing anything.

4476
05:56:21,780 --> 05:56:25,180
It's just going to make this problem persistent persistent persist.

4477
05:56:25,180 --> 05:56:34,380
We're here, we'll happy to take any advice, suggestions, if you want to see some revisions,

4478
05:56:35,340 --> 05:56:37,780
we'll be interested in those, too.

4479
05:56:37,960 --> 05:56:38,740
So thank you so much.

4480
05:56:38,880 --> 05:56:39,620
Thank you very much.

4481
05:56:40,040 --> 05:56:41,520
You're just a quick point of order.

4482
05:56:42,020 --> 05:56:43,700
There's no revisions that are contemplated.

4483
05:56:43,740 --> 05:56:44,540
This is all or not.

4484
05:56:44,540 --> 05:56:45,520
No, no, no.

4485
05:56:45,760 --> 05:56:46,960
I just want to be clear.

4486
05:56:47,300 --> 05:56:48,020
Mr. Schiller knew.

4487
05:56:48,020 --> 05:56:49,700
We're not going to do this.

4488
05:56:49,800 --> 05:56:50,620
Yes, it's all or nothing.

4489
05:56:50,620 --> 05:56:56,100
So I do think that we keep, do we only get 15?

4490
05:56:57,420 --> 05:56:59,100
All right, go ahead and go.

4491
05:57:04,740 --> 05:57:09,160
So I just want to do my best to try to address some things

4492
05:57:09,160 --> 05:57:13,040
that I'm hearing that are not consistent with how we understand this.

4493
05:57:13,180 --> 05:57:18,000
But the application specifically shows that the

4494
05:57:18,000 --> 05:57:25,820
bottom of the first floor of the existing house, goodness gracious,

4495
05:57:28,960 --> 05:57:31,320
right here, just this right here.

4496
05:57:31,780 --> 05:57:40,200
This is at 14 foot and ABD. It's set 10 foot six inches above the floor slab of the garage.

4497
05:57:42,460 --> 05:57:49,760
I'm hearing this opposition that is not at 14 and I'm sorry I don't know the architects name architect.

4498
05:57:49,760 --> 05:57:55,100
Yep, he's new to me. I'm sorry. We're working with someone else. I apologize, do you sir?

4499
05:57:56,160 --> 05:57:57,780
It is at 14 feet

4500
05:57:57,780 --> 05:58:04,460
Okay, the proposed edition is at nine. That's correct, which you can see in this

4501
05:58:04,460 --> 05:58:07,080
Terracing the existing house

4502
05:58:07,760 --> 05:58:09,900
portion of it does sit at grade

4503
05:58:09,900 --> 05:58:11,620
Mr. Schiller also

4504
05:58:11,620 --> 05:58:19,420
Testified that the road is higher than the house. That's not the case. I double check the survey in the interim the average kind of road

4505
05:58:19,420 --> 05:58:27,880
1.53, the grade on the property is 2.5 or the house sits at 3.73, so that factually is

4506
05:58:27,880 --> 05:58:35,420
not accurate. There is more than 6.5 feet of raising on this house. The architect indicated

4507
05:58:35,420 --> 05:58:41,760
there's no more than 6.5 feet, that's not accurate. The raising of the house is at a max of

4508
05:58:41,760 --> 05:58:53,700
feet from the existing grade 3.73 or it's rounded up to 4 on the survey at the 14 at 10 feet and

4509
05:58:53,700 --> 05:59:00,300
work that is the max. So that fundamentally is not the case. The garage is visible from the

4510
05:59:00,300 --> 05:59:05,460
right of way. We had discussed demolition. I already mentioned the ceiling of the garage is at 10

4511
05:59:05,460 --> 05:59:08,720
with six, not eights, the theme of flood maps

4512
05:59:08,720 --> 05:59:10,600
don't review every five years.

4513
05:59:11,480 --> 05:59:14,300
This statement, I don't have time to pull their slide up,

4514
05:59:14,300 --> 05:59:17,360
but the idea that changes have to happen.

4515
05:59:17,800 --> 05:59:19,100
I've heard this a couple of times.

4516
05:59:19,140 --> 05:59:22,080
If you read the sentence prior to that, it says,

4517
05:59:22,260 --> 05:59:26,560
and I quote, the treatment selected

4518
05:59:26,560 --> 05:59:30,160
shall always be the one that minimizes changes

4519
05:59:30,160 --> 05:59:32,680
to the building's historic character.

4520
05:59:33,100 --> 05:59:35,200
So you don't have to have more changes

4521
05:59:35,200 --> 05:59:40,100
in order to be flood resilient. Remember, we're at nine foot, finished

4522
05:59:40,100 --> 05:59:45,260
whole elevation. It doesn't need to be at 14. That's the design. That's

4523
05:59:45,260 --> 05:59:50,560
dictating that not the flood resiliency requirements happening here. It's not

4524
05:59:50,560 --> 05:59:55,040
smaller than any other lot in the block. I looked at that too. In the interim here

4525
05:59:55,040 --> 05:59:59,460
there are other lots that are smaller. I haven't heard from the neighbor to the

4526
06:00:01,580 --> 06:00:08,420
I'm not saying that they're not, I just haven't received that. I have two more things here. May I?

4527
06:00:08,420 --> 06:00:14,240
Thank you very much. My last two. No. I really have to be fair to both sides.

4528
06:00:14,900 --> 06:00:15,600
I apologize.

4529
06:00:16,380 --> 06:00:22,240
But I offer a point of clarification and is not about a rebuttal. I just, just so that you understand the way height is measured.

4530
06:00:22,760 --> 06:00:23,480
That BFE.

4531
06:00:23,540 --> 06:00:24,740
I beg your pardon for the one more time.

4532
06:00:24,740 --> 06:00:27,320
So just so that we're clear on how height is measured.

4533
06:00:27,320 --> 06:00:28,440
This isn't a rebuttal.

4534
06:00:28,760 --> 06:00:29,540
This isn't a rebuttal.

4535
06:00:29,540 --> 06:00:30,560
This is a clear, clear, clear, clear.

4536
06:00:31,180 --> 06:00:31,440
Go ahead.

4537
06:00:31,580 --> 06:00:33,580
So the way that, when you're in a flood zoning,

4538
06:00:33,660 --> 06:00:34,480
you have to lift it up.

4539
06:00:35,260 --> 06:00:38,920
That the BFE plus the one foot from the Florida building code

4540
06:00:38,920 --> 06:00:40,720
in freeboard becomes the New Zero.

4541
06:00:41,440 --> 06:00:44,820
So the 35 feet maximum for anywhere in the city.

4542
06:00:45,000 --> 06:00:46,380
This isn't unique to historic.

4543
06:00:46,820 --> 06:00:48,460
That's your zeroed out there.

4544
06:00:48,460 --> 06:00:49,920
And then it's 35 feet.

4545
06:00:50,320 --> 06:00:53,920
If you decide to elevate beyond the freeboard limit,

4546
06:00:53,920 --> 06:00:56,480
it comes out of your overall height.

4547
06:00:57,080 --> 06:00:57,900
Do you see what I mean?

4548
06:00:58,120 --> 06:00:59,900
So I'm just trying to make sure you understand.

4549
06:01:01,680 --> 06:01:03,240
And everyone is agreeing.

4550
06:01:03,360 --> 06:01:07,720
But you're saying that the way the LDRs are drafted,

4551
06:01:08,540 --> 06:01:11,320
if you go 14 feet, if you're allowed to go 35 feet,

4552
06:01:11,540 --> 06:01:13,840
and you choose to go 14 instead of five,

4553
06:01:14,040 --> 06:01:15,340
you lose that five so you can literally...

4554
06:01:15,340 --> 06:01:16,620
The overall height.

4555
06:01:17,320 --> 06:01:20,240
So for example, the elder building,

4556
06:01:20,380 --> 06:01:22,620
the original building, is elevated higher,

4557
06:01:22,620 --> 06:01:24,000
which this seems to be the beginning.

4558
06:01:24,680 --> 06:01:27,400
But it is still below the 35-foot height limit

4559
06:01:27,400 --> 06:01:30,140
because it's able to, because it's a two-story building,

4560
06:01:30,400 --> 06:01:34,720
it's able to absorb that extra elevation up within the limit.

4561
06:01:35,460 --> 06:01:38,740
The new part is elevated as high

4562
06:01:38,740 --> 06:01:40,260
and so the three-story's fit.

4563
06:01:40,940 --> 06:01:42,100
And that's just the way it works.

4564
06:01:42,200 --> 06:01:44,340
Anywhere in the city, not unique to historic.

4565
06:01:45,800 --> 06:01:46,020
OK.

4566
06:01:47,000 --> 06:01:50,120
To the commission, Mr. Mark,

4567
06:01:52,580 --> 06:01:53,980
I'm probably not going to be in favor

4568
06:01:53,980 --> 06:01:59,240
this. I look at this. I went over and looked at the lot. It's a postage stamp size

4569
06:01:59,240 --> 06:02:03,320
lot. The house is enormous that you're trying to put in. It goes up way of an

4570
06:02:03,320 --> 06:02:08,940
ear. I agree with Mr. Patton said it just it doesn't seem to fit to me.

4571
06:02:10,000 --> 06:02:11,020
Okay. Mr. Long.

4572
06:02:13,220 --> 06:02:18,200
It's apologizing at Bands. My comment might be a bit punchy because I'm

4573
06:02:18,200 --> 06:02:24,360
angry and I'm sitting here at 1106 under fluorescent lighting. So I'm in a bad mood

4574
06:02:24,360 --> 06:02:25,320
right now.

4575
06:02:25,800 --> 06:02:31,400
And I'm about to move also because we just spent two plus hours talking about something

4576
06:02:31,400 --> 06:02:34,620
that should have been approved on consent in my opinion.

4577
06:02:35,500 --> 06:02:39,780
If I were the applicant, I would have demoed this property by now.

4578
06:02:40,180 --> 06:02:41,860
I would have demoed it.

4579
06:02:42,260 --> 06:02:47,200
And that's frankly what we're incentivizing you to do, which defeats the purpose.

4580
06:02:50,830 --> 06:03:02,210
I commend you for making the effort to save this tiny little flooded property, to try and save any semblance of this at your own expense.

4581
06:03:02,890 --> 06:03:04,050
I give you credit for.

4582
06:03:06,220 --> 06:03:08,100
I frankly don't want to talk about this anymore.

4583
06:03:09,120 --> 06:03:15,720
I don't think that it's up to us to design your property for you or give us our insight on if we think it looks good or not.

4584
06:03:15,720 --> 06:03:17,380
It's your money, it's your property.

4585
06:03:18,500 --> 06:03:21,260
You could demo this tomorrow if you wanted to.

4586
06:03:22,960 --> 06:03:25,180
He could have already demoed it.

4587
06:03:25,260 --> 06:03:27,340
There's a process, but it's probably eligible.

4588
06:03:27,980 --> 06:03:28,280
OK.

4589
06:03:29,480 --> 06:03:30,600
It's probably eligible.

4590
06:03:31,160 --> 06:03:32,840
Well, there's an argument that, you know,

4591
06:03:33,000 --> 06:03:34,860
well, I would have pursued that process, especially

4592
06:03:34,860 --> 06:03:36,520
at this point, if I were you, frankly.

4593
06:03:37,880 --> 06:03:41,320
I just think that we are de incentivizing people

4594
06:03:41,320 --> 06:03:44,260
from actually doing adaptive reuse when it's this difficult.

4595
06:03:44,260 --> 06:03:51,000
people get villainized for trying. So I'm frustrated by this. I'll leave it at that.

4596
06:03:51,160 --> 06:03:54,380
I'm going to support moving forward. This should have already moved forward.

4597
06:03:56,020 --> 06:04:00,720
That's where we have a historic preservation board, by the way, with qualified people on it

4598
06:04:00,720 --> 06:04:03,500
that are mandated to be qualified to be on it.

4599
06:04:10,600 --> 06:04:13,140
You want to go next? I'm going

4600
06:04:15,220 --> 06:04:19,420
to go to the

4601
06:04:19,420 --> 06:04:25,320
the demo process, if you don't mind for anyone listening, if you just, if you don't, if one of you would please.

4602
06:04:27,270 --> 06:04:29,850
In a historic district, there are three types of properties.

4603
06:04:30,190 --> 06:04:35,890
Contributing aka historic, non-contributing aka non-historic and vacant lands.

4604
06:04:36,650 --> 06:04:44,570
A contributing structure must meet the application requirements, which includes structural reports,

4605
06:04:45,730 --> 06:04:49,690
Repair, projected cost of repair, and appraisals.

4606
06:04:49,810 --> 06:04:54,070
Appraisals are the cost of the structure as it exists,

4607
06:04:54,190 --> 06:04:55,970
the cost of the structure as it repaired,

4608
06:04:56,230 --> 06:04:59,030
and the cost of the property in the district,

4609
06:04:59,630 --> 06:05:01,970
without that structure in existence, so demolished.

4610
06:05:02,770 --> 06:05:06,330
You have to have justification, that's justification statement,

4611
06:05:06,570 --> 06:05:09,430
but you have to document that the condition of the structure

4612
06:05:09,430 --> 06:05:10,910
is beyond repair.

4613
06:05:11,590 --> 06:05:14,010
There is a public notice requirement

4614
06:05:14,010 --> 06:05:19,450
to notify everybody within a 500-foot radius when demolishing historic structure.

4615
06:05:20,230 --> 06:05:25,090
These things are in place to protect the overall integrity of the district.

4616
06:05:25,790 --> 06:05:30,910
As structures get demolished, and sometimes they do, they're primarily the non-contributors,

4617
06:05:31,010 --> 06:05:37,510
non-historic, that get demolished, running the risk of demolishing historic structures

4618
06:05:37,510 --> 06:05:42,850
and removing structures from a district you don't have contacts or legitimacy for a district

4619
06:05:42,850 --> 06:05:45,290
if those buildings are no longer there.

4620
06:05:45,730 --> 06:05:47,950
So it could not be demolished tomorrow,

4621
06:05:48,390 --> 06:05:52,030
but an application could be made for demolition.

4622
06:05:52,470 --> 06:05:54,030
I mean, I was being a bit hyperbolic.

4623
06:05:54,210 --> 06:05:55,330
Like I understand that.

4624
06:05:55,330 --> 06:05:55,450
I understand that.

4625
06:05:56,350 --> 06:05:58,730
But if you want to clarify one thing, you say,

4626
06:05:58,730 --> 06:06:00,070
when you talk about cost of repair,

4627
06:06:00,270 --> 06:06:01,430
once you do a certain amount of repairs,

4628
06:06:01,610 --> 06:06:02,810
you're required to bring it up to code.

4629
06:06:03,390 --> 06:06:04,830
So you're including in that cost of repair,

4630
06:06:04,850 --> 06:06:05,990
they would also have the requirement

4631
06:06:05,990 --> 06:06:08,390
to raise the house whatever it is.

4632
06:06:09,170 --> 06:06:11,510
So the cost involved at raising this eight

4633
06:06:11,510 --> 06:06:16,730
square foot house regardless of what you know that's included in your cost of repair.

4634
06:06:17,130 --> 06:06:21,130
So whether you want to save an 800 square foot house and then there's requirements for

4635
06:06:21,130 --> 06:06:27,270
demolition by neglect that in 2018 the city commission adopted by LDR. So if a

4636
06:06:27,270 --> 06:06:33,310
structure is not being maintained and there's specific standards in the code for 5199

4637
06:06:33,310 --> 06:06:38,730
is that section? Should anybody want to go look at it? Those standards are protection

4638
06:06:38,730 --> 06:06:44,590
against termite damage would rot from water damage. So basically we're telling our historic homeowners

4639
06:06:44,590 --> 06:06:50,970
where the city is telling them you have to maintain your structure. This best example and they

4640
06:06:50,970 --> 06:06:56,150
I'm sure won't mind that I'm bringing it up is sweet and social. This is the property of cross the street

4641
06:06:56,150 --> 06:07:04,050
from Sunday Village where there was some demolition by neglect occurring. If a homeowner property owner

4642
06:07:04,050 --> 06:07:08,190
allows a structure to be demolished due to their neglects.

4643
06:07:08,190 --> 06:07:10,370
The historic preservation board has the authority

4644
06:07:10,370 --> 06:07:13,250
to restrict permits for not allowing reconstruction

4645
06:07:13,250 --> 06:07:15,050
on that property for five years.

4646
06:07:15,570 --> 06:07:17,270
It's called the Scourged Earth Policy.

4647
06:07:18,150 --> 06:07:20,210
The commission, the board, the public,

4648
06:07:20,570 --> 06:07:23,650
all deliberated very carefully about this

4649
06:07:23,650 --> 06:07:30,110
when these LDR requirements were chosen and put into the code.

4650
06:07:30,210 --> 06:07:33,730
So code enforcement can go and do an assessment

4651
06:07:33,730 --> 06:07:41,930
and sites somebody, which they did on Swint Social, and Swint and Social came through and repaired their buildings to protect from further damage.

4652
06:07:42,530 --> 06:07:47,270
Thank you. And also just for the residents, if anyone is still listening.

4653
06:07:48,670 --> 06:07:56,790
Even if this is demoed, this property cannot, the gentleman, the applicant, can't build what he's proposing here today.

4654
06:07:56,790 --> 06:08:03,910
I mean, construction would be required to beat the setbacks and all of the standards within the code and receive border proof where we are.

4655
06:08:04,150 --> 06:08:04,790
And also be elevated.

4656
06:08:06,390 --> 06:08:11,490
So look, I've wrote a ton of notes about the variances, relocation, the waivers.

4657
06:08:11,650 --> 06:08:15,970
I mean, the one variance that's very concerning is the two foot.

4658
06:08:16,250 --> 06:08:19,490
Three inches if you're elevating the house to that extent.

4659
06:08:19,890 --> 06:08:21,870
That's two foot three inches right there.

4660
06:08:22,370 --> 06:08:24,110
That's something that's concerning.

4661
06:08:24,110 --> 06:08:34,150
the relocation, 14 foot versus nine, the guest cottage on top, and then the LDR 4.5.1

4662
06:08:34,150 --> 06:08:40,970
about the secondary subordination, the report notes, the original structure is, it's placement

4663
06:08:40,970 --> 06:08:48,030
within design is absorbed with the larger massing of the additions and neither can be reverted

4664
06:08:48,030 --> 06:08:53,570
to its original appearance, which I believe is a requirement. So and you're talking the original

4665
06:08:53,570 --> 06:09:01,050
structure being 1,644 square foot with the two 1,330

4666
06:09:01,050 --> 06:09:01,770
Oh, I apologize.

4667
06:09:02,170 --> 06:09:06,590
And then going to the three, two, three, two, three, two, three, four, thank you very much.

4668
06:09:07,730 --> 06:09:12,810
So and then I made other notes regarding the building height, plain and the scale of the building.

4669
06:09:13,010 --> 06:09:16,750
But I think you've said a lot and it was very informative.

4670
06:09:17,290 --> 06:09:20,050
I appreciate the report and all the information we got.

4671
06:09:20,050 --> 06:09:28,670
And I think fundamentally, you know, we ask people to follow our rules, and yeah, there are exceptions, but these are a lot of exceptions.

4672
06:09:30,450 --> 06:09:40,030
And you know, we saw that many have successfully redeveloped to historic homes, even adding additions and the like, and they've been beautiful.

4673
06:09:40,030 --> 06:09:44,090
I think, Miss Wyland, you did a lovely presentation for us just recently.

4674
06:09:44,090 --> 06:09:46,090
I think there's a house in Del Ida.

4675
06:09:46,290 --> 06:09:46,870
I don't know.

4676
06:09:47,610 --> 06:09:51,030
There's three other, three total that had been done in.

4677
06:09:51,690 --> 06:09:57,290
And so it's possible to create a beautiful home for yourself, a lovely home.

4678
06:09:58,330 --> 06:10:04,450
And still keep within our requirements.

4679
06:10:07,950 --> 06:10:15,670
If this project goes through there are two similar following and we're not supposed to discuss that, but what happens is you're opening the door to those application.

4680
06:10:16,330 --> 06:10:17,130
We're not.

4681
06:10:17,130 --> 06:10:17,590
Okay.

4682
06:10:18,810 --> 06:10:19,610
I'm sorry.

4683
06:10:19,710 --> 06:10:20,010
We're not.

4684
06:10:20,010 --> 06:10:20,730
We're not.

4685
06:10:20,730 --> 06:10:20,990
We're not.

4686
06:10:20,990 --> 06:10:21,670
We're not.

4687
06:10:21,670 --> 06:10:22,050
We're not.

4688
06:10:23,070 --> 06:10:23,610
I'm sorry.

4689
06:10:24,090 --> 06:10:24,770
We're not.

4690
06:10:28,430 --> 06:10:29,510
We're not.

4691
06:10:29,510 --> 06:10:29,530
We're not.

4692
06:10:31,310 --> 06:10:31,850
I'm sorry.

4693
06:10:33,470 --> 06:10:33,510
We're not.

4694
06:10:33,510 --> 06:10:37,930
And now that we look at the state, and they are starting to regulate what we can do,

4695
06:10:38,070 --> 06:10:41,790
like we just discussed with SB 180, and it's impact.

4696
06:10:42,150 --> 06:10:46,870
Now is the time more than ever to embrace and protect the integrity of our historic

4697
06:10:46,870 --> 06:10:49,590
districts, because we may never have another one.

4698
06:10:49,990 --> 06:10:51,430
We have to protect what we have.

4699
06:10:52,210 --> 06:10:59,350
So the land development regulation section 2.4.1.2525 prior to approval, a finding must

4700
06:10:59,350 --> 06:11:05,310
made that any certificate must be made, that any certificate of appropriateness is consistent

4701
06:11:05,310 --> 06:11:12,890
with the historic preservation purposes, pursuant objective HPE 1.4 of the historic preservation

4702
06:11:12,890 --> 06:11:20,290
element of the compound, the provision of Section 4.5.1. The historical perfect excuse me,

4703
06:11:20,370 --> 06:11:25,870
I'm doing it to Mr. Chart. Preservation design guidelines and the Secretary of Interior's

4704
06:11:25,870 --> 06:11:27,410
standards for rehabilitation.

4705
06:11:28,230 --> 06:11:34,870
The current proposal is incompatible with our goals, our regulations, our land development

4706
06:11:34,870 --> 06:11:41,690
regulations, and positive findings cannot be found based on our staff report.

4707
06:11:42,110 --> 06:11:47,050
And I do appreciate Mr. Edwards that you want to preserve this house.

4708
06:11:47,110 --> 06:11:47,870
I truly do.

4709
06:11:47,970 --> 06:11:49,290
And I mean that with all my heart.

4710
06:11:49,490 --> 06:11:53,330
But I want to preserve this historic district and all the others.

4711
06:11:53,330 --> 06:11:55,330
And that's

4712
06:11:55,990 --> 06:11:57,230
Thank you

4713
06:11:57,910 --> 06:12:04,540
So I think this proposal risks the integrity of our historic district and I will be denying. Thank you

4714
06:12:05,930 --> 06:12:06,570
The first

4715
06:12:07,650 --> 06:12:08,270
Yes

4716
06:12:09,430 --> 06:12:11,210
This is a lot

4717
06:12:11,210 --> 06:12:18,570
And it's late and I'm not gonna make any excuses. I do have about three pages of notes and questions

4718
06:12:18,570 --> 06:12:25,730
However, you know, I'm really concerned about maintaining the integrity of the historic

4719
06:12:26,410 --> 06:12:27,050
districts.

4720
06:12:27,590 --> 06:12:33,650
You know, we only have five historic districts in our community and we need to, I'm very

4721
06:12:33,650 --> 06:12:40,750
careful about making sure that we maintain those, and I appreciate the fact that you

4722
06:12:40,750 --> 06:12:45,890
want to save this house and create, you know, a safer environment for it.

4723
06:12:45,890 --> 06:12:53,550
However, there's just so many questions and so many things that don't work, and I do appreciate

4724
06:12:53,550 --> 06:12:59,730
staff, your 36-page report, I read it, and it is very obvious that you're trying to protect

4725
06:12:59,730 --> 06:13:08,110
this district as well, but this five of the standards for the Secretary of the Interior

4726
06:13:08,110 --> 06:13:15,470
were not met, and then we have this, which is very confusing, but staff, thank you for

4727
06:13:15,470 --> 06:13:26,030
clarifying that the addition is at 14 feet and not 9 feet. The other way around is at 9 feet,

4728
06:13:27,190 --> 06:13:33,860
not 14 feet. The, the lies, I know these are diagrams, but it really helped to me with

4729
06:13:34,570 --> 06:13:42,690
the, which are preferred at lines. And then the maximum 10 feet, not 6 feet. And then the 10

4730
06:13:45,150 --> 06:13:57,490
It's like there's so many things that are not connecting and not making sense, it's just too many of them for me to say that I can support it.

4731
06:13:57,770 --> 06:14:01,890
I don't see anything that was minimized to change the historic structure.

4732
06:14:02,890 --> 06:14:16,070
I think it does, it sees, it sees the massing controls, it keeps going, I can just keep going on my pages here, so.

4733
06:14:18,110 --> 06:14:19,650
I see where this is going.

4734
06:14:20,490 --> 06:14:21,510
Let me do this.

4735
06:14:21,530 --> 06:14:25,110
I had a conversation within the year earlier today.

4736
06:14:26,210 --> 06:14:28,250
Let's always tell you, it's always comes down to you.

4737
06:14:28,250 --> 06:14:35,470
always view. And having been on both sides and I have a lot of, I mean, I have some real

4738
06:14:35,470 --> 06:14:39,410
problems with the side setback going all the way back. I think new construction needs to be

4739
06:14:40,010 --> 06:14:44,670
setback, you know, compliance setback rules. I got a, some issues with the third floor and putting

4740
06:14:44,670 --> 06:14:53,490
anything up there. But overall, I think it's important that we try to save the, the, the structure.

4741
06:14:53,490 --> 06:14:59,790
And I don't think oddly enough I don't think we're that far apart that this or can't be certain changes made

4742
06:15:01,170 --> 06:15:05,370
Would you listen? Let me finish, please. Thank you.

4743
06:15:07,110 --> 06:15:19,490
What I'm suggesting is that we don't act on this tonight and we recommit it back to you, because otherwise they lose a year.

4744
06:15:20,350 --> 06:15:26,810
And I don't think that's fair to the applicants, but so much time and effort already, and it appears so many times in front of it.

4745
06:15:26,810 --> 06:15:31,590
and see whether or not they can work something out before the factory is shaking our head now

4746
06:15:31,590 --> 06:15:36,510
if this is so unusual we keep on making exceptions to the rules this is out of control

4747
06:15:36,510 --> 06:15:42,430
i'm asking that the people that you know so they don't lose a year this is every applicant is going to ask for the

4748
06:15:42,430 --> 06:15:47,830
same thing we cannot make exceptions like this to our work okay well we're also not taking that into consideration

4749
06:15:47,830 --> 06:15:52,790
however i should take that into consideration how do we keep defending the rules randomly

4750
06:15:52,790 --> 06:15:58,850
I don't know why asking someone to be recommit to go back to see because they put all the time in money.

4751
06:15:59,330 --> 06:16:02,890
I know you'd like him to, I mean, you wanted to make a personal comment like that.

4752
06:16:02,890 --> 06:16:06,630
I'm saying, you're obviously saying you're making Mr. Joe here.

4753
06:16:06,950 --> 06:16:07,550
I'm just saying.

4754
06:16:08,250 --> 06:16:08,590
I'm just saying.

4755
06:16:08,670 --> 06:16:09,550
I'm speaking.

4756
06:16:10,010 --> 06:16:17,090
I'm asking the commission to do so that they don't cost this applicant a year who's by all accounts

4757
06:16:17,090 --> 06:16:23,570
I spent some millions of dollars, I don't know what that number is, and an amount of time,

4758
06:16:23,790 --> 06:16:29,350
it was two and a half years or a year and a half, all I know is that if we deny this,

4759
06:16:29,750 --> 06:16:32,030
they can't even come back for a year.

4760
06:16:33,290 --> 06:16:34,210
That's not accurate.

4761
06:16:34,410 --> 06:16:35,230
That's only a result.

4762
06:16:36,050 --> 06:16:37,850
Only a wealth worth worth talking about.

4763
06:16:37,970 --> 06:16:38,690
This is not a result.

4764
06:16:39,290 --> 06:16:40,410
We're talking about a variance.

4765
06:16:40,970 --> 06:16:42,410
There's no time limitation.

4766
06:16:42,990 --> 06:16:43,650
They can come back.

4767
06:16:43,730 --> 06:16:45,670
They can submit an application tomorrow if they wanted to.

4768
06:16:45,670 --> 06:16:52,170
Well, I think what I would like to do, rather than deny them, is to have them go back and

4769
06:16:53,570 --> 06:16:58,630
see, I mean, as I said, I share the same view about the side setback on as it relates to the

4770
06:16:58,630 --> 06:16:59,190
new structure.

4771
06:16:59,670 --> 06:17:05,250
In the back, I think that, you know, if they moved it to seven feet, they'd lose 150 square feet

4772
06:17:05,250 --> 06:17:06,190
in the project.

4773
06:17:08,090 --> 06:17:14,710
I think rather than deny, I would rather see them go back and try to fix.

4774
06:17:16,410 --> 06:17:20,230
because I think it's fair to them because of all of the

4775
06:17:23,050 --> 06:17:24,910
time and effort and money they've

4776
06:17:24,910 --> 06:17:25,550
already put into it.

4777
06:17:25,570 --> 06:17:28,910
I don't think that's an unfair thing to do because they seem willing to make changes.

4778
06:17:29,410 --> 06:17:30,770
That was the last remarks out of the question.

4779
06:17:30,790 --> 06:17:31,150
They do.

4780
06:17:31,330 --> 06:17:33,270
They made changes twice for the historic preservation.

4781
06:17:33,970 --> 06:17:35,190
Well, maybe they need to make it three times.

4782
06:17:36,030 --> 06:17:37,250
So, maybe they need to do it four times.

4783
06:17:37,310 --> 06:17:41,570
We had this issue in the past and the commission had a policy was in this commission,

4784
06:17:42,110 --> 06:17:47,090
but there was a policy that when these applications come before you, especially as an appeal,

4785
06:17:47,090 --> 06:17:51,550
the commission needs to just decide on the limited issue before you, which is the appeal.

4786
06:17:52,170 --> 06:17:56,350
So if the applicant wants to take your comments and submit another application that's

4787
06:17:56,350 --> 06:18:01,290
well within their purview, but again, that's akin to redesigning from the days,

4788
06:18:01,750 --> 06:18:06,470
and we need to veer away from that because what happens is, and this happened before,

4789
06:18:07,030 --> 06:18:17,070
it goes down back to the other board, and either the applicant doesn't want to

4790
06:18:17,070 --> 06:18:17,950
I just...

4791
06:18:17,950 --> 06:18:19,230
I just...

4792
06:18:19,230 --> 06:18:20,710
Mary, I completely respect what you're saying to you.

4793
06:18:20,710 --> 06:18:21,390
No, I was telling you.

4794
06:18:21,530 --> 06:18:23,710
Anthony and I both agreed that this was what we should...

4795
06:18:23,710 --> 06:18:28,270
Well, I spoke with Anthony about that and I reminded her that that is not permissible.

4796
06:18:28,990 --> 06:18:33,590
I'll point you all the projects in the city that were decided late at night and with a commission

4797
06:18:33,590 --> 06:18:37,150
that wanted to work with an applicant and that doesn't always work out.

4798
06:18:37,610 --> 06:18:45,350
So respectfully, I feel that what is before you is an appeal and either you approve the appeal

4799
06:18:45,350 --> 06:18:51,390
and approve of a derivative program, or you deny this derivative appropriation, but they will still

4800
06:18:51,390 --> 06:18:57,510
have to go through the entire process again, tack, HPB, and potentially commission, because

4801
06:18:57,510 --> 06:19:03,590
whatever changes are going to be made, all those committees and boards have the right and the

4802
06:19:03,590 --> 06:19:08,830
duty to review. I understood they would have to go back to all those boards. That I did understand.

4803
06:19:11,090 --> 06:19:15,550
All right, then I do. I need to make a motion.

4804
06:19:15,550 --> 06:19:19,210
You make a motion motion to deny resolution number one three five

4805
06:19:20,730 --> 06:19:28,070
This is board discussion. Yes, there is no beats. I mean like motion to deny resolution number one three five dash two five

4806
06:19:31,270 --> 06:19:31,810
Second

4807
06:19:32,790 --> 06:19:34,290
All the role

4808
06:19:35,570 --> 06:19:37,670
Commission of the sound yes

4809
06:19:37,670 --> 06:19:42,890
Dept. Device may have burned. Yes, may have carnie. No

4810
06:19:42,890 --> 06:19:48,560
Mission marker. Yes, vice mayor alone. No, okay

4811
06:19:52,140 --> 06:19:56,040
And my nose is based on the fact that I really wanted it to go back, not whether or not

4812
06:19:56,040 --> 06:19:58,560
I think the place you'd change is what you clearly does,

4813
06:20:01,580 --> 06:20:02,420
what we'd make them back to that.

4814
06:20:02,540 --> 06:20:04,520
I mean, that's two and I've never been able to do that.

4815
06:20:11,110 --> 06:20:14,010
Oh no, the Tantees, we talked about it.

4816
06:20:14,050 --> 06:20:14,450
You said.

4817
06:20:14,530 --> 06:20:16,330
I know, but they're not here.

4818
06:20:16,530 --> 06:20:17,150
Oh, I'm sorry.

4819
06:20:17,990 --> 06:20:18,630
I'm sorry.

4820
06:20:19,670 --> 06:20:20,170
I'm sorry.

4821
06:20:24,860 --> 06:20:25,900
You don't want to say sorry?

4822
06:20:25,900 --> 06:20:26,700
The appointment's wrong?

4823
06:20:27,540 --> 06:20:29,000
I don't have any way.

4824
06:20:29,320 --> 06:20:29,760
I don't have any way.

4825
06:20:29,760 --> 06:20:30,300
I don't have any way.

4826
06:20:30,620 --> 06:20:30,800
I don't have any.

4827
06:20:30,800 --> 06:20:32,400
I don't have any.

4828
06:20:34,690 --> 06:20:37,970
It's really just two points in A-A-A-A-P. I don't think Mr.

4829
06:20:38,170 --> 06:20:39,350
because that was going to be presentations.

4830
06:20:40,110 --> 06:20:41,990
It's really just me reading the ordinance.

4831
06:20:42,250 --> 06:20:43,370
I'm going to read it for public comment.

4832
06:20:44,890 --> 06:20:45,610
It's the first reading.

4833
06:20:46,010 --> 06:20:46,370
Okay, read it.

4834
06:20:46,550 --> 06:20:47,910
So we're not doing the appointments.

4835
06:20:48,590 --> 06:20:49,710
Can you defer on these appointments?

4836
06:20:50,230 --> 06:20:52,450
Board of Adjustment would be great if anyone's prepared

4837
06:20:52,450 --> 06:20:54,430
because it takes this super-

4838
06:20:55,450 --> 06:20:58,530
Board of Adjustment is the Mayor and Commissioner Burns.

4839
06:20:59,790 --> 06:21:01,630
I mean, I can make my Board of Adjustment one.

4840
06:21:01,630 --> 06:21:05,850
Okay, so why don't you apply to what's doing. I mean, these are quick.

4841
06:21:07,970 --> 06:21:08,930
They're quick. They're quick. They're quick.

4842
06:21:09,890 --> 06:21:11,330
They're quick, please. Thank you, Miss Oylund.

4843
06:21:11,670 --> 06:21:12,730
Okay, what's the first one?

4844
06:21:13,290 --> 06:21:15,790
70. 70 is a part of a house.

4845
06:21:15,910 --> 06:21:16,390
What's the last one?

4846
06:21:17,090 --> 06:21:19,730
All right, we have this.

4847
06:21:19,970 --> 06:21:22,290
The nominations for the equipment to the affordable housing.

4848
06:21:23,070 --> 06:21:25,190
There are three regular members to be selected.

4849
06:21:25,650 --> 06:21:28,030
First is made by Deputy Vice Mayor Burns.

4850
06:21:28,030 --> 06:21:31,670
The second mayor is Mayor Carning and third is Commissioner Marker.

4851
06:21:32,730 --> 06:21:34,950
So, Vice Mayor, Deputy Vice Mayor.

4852
06:21:35,070 --> 06:21:35,970
I have a question.

4853
06:21:36,590 --> 06:21:47,530
So, I appointed Daniel Lent, a lands for an appointment that she said that she didn't want

4854
06:21:47,530 --> 06:21:47,690
to be.

4855
06:21:47,870 --> 06:21:51,530
Did she want to take her name completely off with just that board?

4856
06:21:52,470 --> 06:21:53,250
Completely off.

4857
06:21:53,250 --> 06:21:54,070
Thank you.

4858
06:21:54,570 --> 06:21:56,130
So she's off this one too.

4859
06:21:56,630 --> 06:21:56,810
Okay.

4860
06:21:57,150 --> 06:21:57,670
Is that correct?

4861
06:22:05,510 --> 06:22:21,350
I'm sorry, she's on the on the sheet, so I'll nominate Rosanna for Tertale, Tertale, Tertale, Tertale, Tertale.

4862
06:22:21,350 --> 06:22:22,070
Thank you.

4863
06:22:23,350 --> 06:22:25,450
All in favor? Any opposed?

4864
06:22:26,910 --> 06:22:26,950
Okay.

4865
06:22:27,710 --> 06:22:30,670
This is not this one. I can do in that large as well, right?

4866
06:22:31,070 --> 06:22:33,310
All I'm going to point on Nicholas Copla.

4867
06:22:33,890 --> 06:22:35,290
No, I think he was just a point.

4868
06:22:36,690 --> 06:22:37,650
What do you mean he's not on those?

4869
06:22:37,850 --> 06:22:38,830
He's not on those? He's on this list.

4870
06:22:39,110 --> 06:22:39,570
No, right.

4871
06:22:39,590 --> 06:22:41,230
He was a point in last room.

4872
06:22:41,310 --> 06:22:42,290
He was a point in OK.

4873
06:22:42,770 --> 06:22:43,450
I don't know.

4874
06:22:43,450 --> 06:22:44,030
Was that OK?

4875
06:22:44,590 --> 06:22:45,530
Where was it?

4876
06:22:46,810 --> 06:22:47,770
Yeah, I remember.

4877
06:22:48,650 --> 06:22:48,930
I remember.

4878
06:22:52,810 --> 06:22:58,490
And you say Michelle, Michelle data is still available, she's available.

4879
06:22:58,750 --> 06:23:00,910
Okay, Michelle data is.

4880
06:23:01,150 --> 06:23:01,590
All in favor?

4881
06:23:02,470 --> 06:23:03,050
Any opposed?

4882
06:23:03,730 --> 06:23:04,050
Great.

4883
06:23:04,490 --> 06:23:05,490
Okay, that's those of two.

4884
06:23:06,710 --> 06:23:07,830
Now, the third is you.

4885
06:23:07,850 --> 06:23:08,440
Steep Pasovski.

4886
06:23:11,220 --> 06:23:11,760
All in favor.

4887
06:23:11,940 --> 06:23:12,460
Aye.

4888
06:23:12,980 --> 06:23:13,540
Any opposed?

4889
06:23:14,240 --> 06:23:14,680
I'm just happy.

4890
06:23:15,020 --> 06:23:16,080
I'm just happy.

4891
06:23:18,640 --> 06:23:19,580
Seven F.

4892
06:23:19,740 --> 06:23:21,520
There's appointment for the site plan review.

4893
06:23:21,520 --> 06:23:29,600
board the parents board this is mine. I am going to a point Jose Alvarez reappoint Jose Alvarez.

4894
06:23:29,660 --> 06:23:32,400
I agree. You can just say that.

4895
06:23:32,400 --> 06:23:37,420
All in favor. Okay, we're done. And the last an nomination for the appointment of the board

4896
06:23:37,420 --> 06:23:43,240
of adjustment there are two appointments on this. The first is to meet my Japanese vice mayor

4897
06:23:43,240 --> 06:23:45,580
and secondly if you made my me.

4898
06:23:45,580 --> 06:23:47,120
Barbara, you guys?

4899
06:23:48,500 --> 06:23:49,140
Yep.

4900
06:23:52,130 --> 06:23:52,410
Hi.

4901
06:23:53,670 --> 06:23:53,950
All right?

4902
06:23:54,150 --> 06:23:54,650
All right. All in favor?

4903
06:23:54,990 --> 06:23:55,150
Aye.

4904
06:23:55,290 --> 06:23:55,930
Any post?

4905
06:23:56,810 --> 06:23:57,250
Okay.

4906
06:23:57,930 --> 06:24:00,890
And we're going to have Suzanne Donohot

4907
06:24:00,890 --> 06:24:03,650
as the At-Large on the Board of Adjustments.

4908
06:24:04,830 --> 06:24:05,810
Any second?

4909
06:24:06,150 --> 06:24:06,690
All in favor?

4910
06:24:06,950 --> 06:24:07,050
Aye.

4911
06:24:07,230 --> 06:24:07,990
Any post?

4912
06:24:08,910 --> 06:24:09,310
Anyfine?

4913
06:24:12,130 --> 06:24:12,790
Public hearings.

4914
06:24:13,370 --> 06:24:14,030
Second readings.

4915
06:24:14,410 --> 06:24:14,770
First.

4916
06:24:17,110 --> 06:24:24,690
I know, but I'm just trying to, I wasn't, I mean, I was, I hadn't gotten to the next stage yet, but it's under second readings.

4917
06:24:25,330 --> 06:24:26,230
Can I read them both together?

4918
06:24:27,090 --> 06:24:30,870
The say is, come first readings, would you please read the ordinance?

4919
06:24:31,170 --> 06:24:42,290
Ordinance number zero seven dash two five eight ordinance of the city commission of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city.

4920
06:24:42,290 --> 06:24:47,510
4.4.21 community facilities, CF District, to modify the purpose and intent of the district

4921
06:24:47,510 --> 06:24:51,770
and to allow an adopt regulations for the adaptive reuse of historic places of worship

4922
06:24:51,770 --> 06:24:56,410
as single family residential use and many appendix aid definitions to adopt a definition

4923
06:24:56,410 --> 06:25:01,270
for a place of worship and historic place of worship. Providing a conflict's laws for writing

4924
06:25:01,270 --> 06:25:07,150
some mobility laws authority to codify and providing effective date. Ordance number 08-255 in

4925
06:25:07,150 --> 06:25:09,850
ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Dore Beach Florida, many of the comprehensive

4926
06:25:09,850 --> 06:25:13,470
Plain Amendment, pursuant to the provisions of the Community Planning Act for the Statue

4927
06:25:13,470 --> 06:25:19,450
Section 1, 163.3177, and Section 1, 163.3184 by many of the historic preservation

4928
06:25:19,450 --> 06:25:20,010
element.

4929
06:25:20,370 --> 06:25:23,470
And the neighborhood districts and corridors element of the always del Rey Comprehensive

4930
06:25:23,470 --> 06:25:28,450
Plan to adopt policies for the preservation and adaptive reuse of historic places of worship,

4931
06:25:28,830 --> 06:25:32,290
providing a conflict's cause, providing a stability clause authority to codify and providing

4932
06:25:32,290 --> 06:25:33,430
an effective date.

4933
06:25:33,510 --> 06:25:37,370
And these are public hearings that I believe the applicant and the city will not be making

4934
06:25:37,370 --> 06:25:38,050
presentations.

4935
06:25:38,050 --> 06:25:46,790
They're both privately initiated and so first reading transcendence then to the state review and then to be determined on the one-second reading and full presentation

4936
06:25:46,790 --> 06:25:50,130
All right, staff will not be making your presentation, but this is a public hearing

4937
06:25:50,130 --> 06:25:54,530
Are there any members of the public wishing to speak please get up and I mean please come to the lectern

4938
06:26:00,490 --> 06:26:02,370
Okay, motion.

4939
06:26:02,370 --> 06:26:05,390
What's your room in this direction and say what you want to say?

4940
06:26:05,690 --> 06:26:06,050
Closed up.

4941
06:26:06,770 --> 06:26:06,850
No.

4942
06:26:06,990 --> 06:26:07,870
Hearing none.

4943
06:26:08,790 --> 06:26:09,850
Public comment is closed.

4944
06:26:10,470 --> 06:26:13,450
Motion to approve ordinance number zero seven two five.

4945
06:26:17,380 --> 06:26:18,040
All in favor?

4946
06:26:18,740 --> 06:26:19,400
Any opposed?

4947
06:26:20,000 --> 06:26:23,160
Motion to approve ordinance number zero eight two five.

4948
06:26:23,760 --> 06:26:23,800
Second.

4949
06:26:25,000 --> 06:26:26,100
That's a similar subject, right?

4950
06:26:26,180 --> 06:26:27,080
That means on the same one.

4951
06:26:27,560 --> 06:26:28,260
So we've got a second.

4952
06:26:29,780 --> 06:26:31,380
This is also a public comment.

4953
06:26:32,400 --> 06:26:33,420
You can't good.

4954
06:26:33,980 --> 06:26:34,700
Public comments closed.

4955
06:26:35,840 --> 06:26:42,240
All in favor? Any opposed? Okay, that's great. No first readings. Comments by the city manager.

4956
06:26:42,680 --> 06:26:44,820
Non. Comments by the city attorney.

4957
06:26:45,400 --> 06:26:48,920
Comments by the city commission. Mr. Marker.

4958
06:26:52,640 --> 06:26:55,240
Comments by former commissioners.

4959
06:26:57,300 --> 06:27:00,940
I'm just going to quickly thank everybody for being here.

4960
06:27:00,940 --> 06:27:07,720
staff. This was a long night. I lovely clerk. I T department. Thank you. And Mayor, can we now

4961
06:27:07,720 --> 06:27:13,060
considering it is after 11 30 talk about this four o'clock. Start time.

4962
06:27:13,500 --> 06:27:20,840
No, we have one thing. No, no, no, no. Listen, I'm a total. Why? Why?

4963
06:27:20,840 --> 06:27:26,480
Because I can't do four. Everybody knows if I can. Can you do four? I would not like to do four.

4964
06:27:26,480 --> 06:27:31,080
This is, but it's our staff. It's here. I have those web and 30.

4965
06:27:31,780 --> 06:27:36,800
We've sent this before and I'll repeat again. I don't work for those people. I love them, but I'm not working.

4966
06:27:37,340 --> 06:27:39,420
I can't get out of it.

4967
06:27:39,580 --> 06:27:44,420
Anyway, and let's not forget because the cheapest year, let's run with the chief Saturday morning.

4968
06:27:45,060 --> 06:27:45,960
Woohoo, I can't wait.

4969
06:27:45,980 --> 06:27:51,220
It knows it's a standing thing that I say so if she's, or she looks in a kill you.

4970
06:27:51,420 --> 06:27:53,960
Oh, I don't see it. Are we done?

4971
06:27:54,920 --> 06:27:58,460
No comment for city commission, are you finished or you didn't start?

4972
06:27:59,180 --> 06:27:59,400
I'm sorry.

4973
06:27:59,660 --> 06:28:10,460
I'm just, I just wanted to commend the Ocean Rescue, Ocean Rescue had their accomplishment

4974
06:28:10,460 --> 06:28:17,820
and winning the fourth consecutive rowing championship, which received national recognition.

4975
06:28:18,140 --> 06:28:23,580
So I just wanted to say congratulations to that team of both out there on the beach Ocean Rescue.

4976
06:28:26,580 --> 06:28:33,020
I wanted to make it clear, just because all this comes with DDA that it's somehow a personal

4977
06:28:33,020 --> 06:28:33,940
matter with me.

4978
06:28:34,120 --> 06:28:34,400
It's not.

4979
06:28:34,500 --> 06:28:40,420
I'm looking after taxpayer dollars, and so I don't like when I talk about the DDAs, everyone

4980
06:28:40,420 --> 06:28:42,200
says, well, you're taking it on lower.

4981
06:28:42,520 --> 06:28:42,720
I'm not.

4982
06:28:42,780 --> 06:28:44,000
I'm taking it on a government agency.

4983
06:28:44,780 --> 06:28:47,500
I'm talking about the spending of a government agency to protect taxpayer.

4984
06:28:48,320 --> 06:28:52,760
So just one, quite clear, because everyone seems to think it's against, I mean, I had

4985
06:28:52,760 --> 06:28:56,760
that same issue years ago with the CRA, they said, well, you can't criticize them because

4986
06:28:56,760 --> 06:29:01,760
you're criticizing the executive director and I said, it has nothing to do with the executive

4987
06:29:01,760 --> 06:29:02,200
director.

4988
06:29:02,360 --> 06:29:05,040
That's to do with the body and their things.

4989
06:29:05,060 --> 06:29:08,640
We all want to embrace your concerns, but we kind of don't know whether you're going to get

4990
06:29:08,640 --> 06:29:09,200
together.

4991
06:29:09,320 --> 06:29:10,300
You've got a little bit today.

4992
06:29:10,740 --> 06:29:17,200
And secondly, I don't like being accused of when I go get ethics opinions that I didn't

4993
06:29:17,200 --> 06:29:17,840
accuse you.

4994
06:29:17,840 --> 06:29:18,300
Excuse me.

4995
06:29:18,300 --> 06:29:19,700
You said you do the appearances, right?

4996
06:29:19,700 --> 06:29:21,040
I said you don't want to go back.

4997
06:29:22,920 --> 06:29:32,120
But anyway, get your lawyer. I'll send me a cease and desist. I don't care. No, I mean, I'm just saying, I don't don't

4998
06:29:32,120 --> 06:29:36,440
The appearance of impropriety because some of you I said we don't want to have an appearance of impropriety

4999
06:29:36,440 --> 06:29:41,240
And we know what you said. Well, you know what I can't remind you know you're right

5000
06:29:41,240 --> 06:29:47,340
All those things I said are true and can be proven. So tell your lawyer to send me the letter. No, I don't talk about the lawyer

5001
06:29:47,340 --> 06:29:49,160
It's just that I'll contact my lawyer.

5002
06:29:49,520 --> 06:29:53,180
I'm saying, I'm saying, you brought off my brother.

5003
06:29:56,280 --> 06:29:57,360
He has a title company with him.

5004
06:29:57,400 --> 06:29:59,960
I said, your brothers, he has the gentleman he's giving you.

5005
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:11,060
Mr. Brewer, title company business, have you not? He's giving him, he's an escalator. He's just said if he or even didn't. He's an escalator for seven property owners. And he wasn't even contacted by this guy.

5006
06:30:11,260 --> 06:30:15,200
Okay, thank you guys. Okay, Mayor, honestly, it's a fair enough.

5007
06:30:15,420 --> 06:30:24,000
I'm not here. I'm not here. I'm sorry. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. In my opinion, there was an appearance and I'm bringing it up because you asked them to have me removed from voting.

5008
06:30:24,000 --> 06:30:34,400
But you have questions, you are asking me, thank you. I'm going to drop it off you didn't say that they should remove me from voting on that

5009
06:30:34,400 --> 06:30:41,700
I didn't say it in the meeting. You didn't say it in the meeting. I just know you said it.

5010
06:30:41,860 --> 06:30:44,860
I see, okay, well now, I don't know you know. Okay, well.

5011
06:30:44,860 --> 06:30:45,880
You make up so many things.

5012
06:30:46,080 --> 06:30:49,380
I make up everybody else. Let's talk about making up things.

5013
06:30:49,380 --> 06:30:55,550
Okay, no, I'll go through the list next week of all the things like when you said you got a consensus and you didn't

5014
06:30:57,700 --> 06:30:59,200
Know you didn't it's on the team