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Welcome to the City of Denton Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for January 10, 2018. This will be our work session. This meeting has been duly posted, and we do have a forum present, and I will call us to order at 502. Our first order business will be to receive clarification of agenda items. And so that will move us in our work session down to our consent agenda. If there are questions,

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Hayley can come and answer those on the consent agenda.

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The Denton Traffic Partners,

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okay.

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Hayley, you want to come up to the mic.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Just a quick question.

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From the Google map thing, I'm sitting in the truck, there's a gas oil there now, so is that

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on that lot 8?

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Yes, sir.

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That is on lot 8 and there's an access easement and a pipeline easement, both coming off of

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Jim Crystal there.

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Okay.

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Is that remaining? They're not removing that? Are they just?

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It is to remain there's an approved gas wall site plan for that site, and as far as I know, it will remain there.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any other questions for Haley on this item?

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Okay. That will then take us to our items for individual consideration.

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And I'll call on Haley for presentation on P17-10 Creekside on Ryan Road.

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Yes, so some of you may be familiar with Creekside.

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It's a large parcel of on Annex property.

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It was under a non- Annexation agreement for several years, and when the last of those

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was about to expire in 2016, they entered into a pre- Annexation development agreement with

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the city, so it subdivided the entire parcel into three tracks of land.

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This is just one of those tracks that's tracked one C in the agreement, and it is for a single

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family subdivision that will have 137 residential lots and three common area lots.

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The plant has multiple pages here, but it would be, you know, your standard single family

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roughly in our three density is what we would be looking at here.

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And we did put this on individual consideration because there is a section in the agreement

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that requires the gas well onsite to be plugged before the final plant is approved.

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So we just wanted to be abundantly clear about that that

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That they will not get a final plot approved for this until such time as the gas well is plugged

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Okay, Commissioner back and on that note so those I guess those are storage tanks that are there now too

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They've all been removed at this point the operator is in the process already going. Yes

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Okay, they're in the process of closing the site

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Commissioner Sullivan sorry sir

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I know there was one done in 2014 for a subdivision further to the west from this property.

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I'm not sure if there's been anything done in the time since then, though.

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Also, how does the impact fee or whatever is called now?

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How has it assessed since, you know, on the street side of this subdivision is not

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nearly as big as the whole subdivision?

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How is it determined, who's going to take care of the street and when is that determined?

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My understanding is all that was laid out in the pre-annexation development agreement.

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there were agreed upon amounts for roadway impact fees and all of the impact

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fees that would be associated with the development at that time knowing the

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full scope of all three tracks that were intended to be developed. So all of

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that has been kind of predetermined at this point.

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Okay, when is that going to happen, though? I mean, is there a deadline by which I

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think it's $589,000 is going to be spent to widen or to do something with Ryan

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Road is not specified exactly what's going to happen. And so I'm just

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As curious when is that street improvement supposed to happen?

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I'm not sure when the improvements will happen.

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I know the impact fees will be assessed and paid at the time of permitting for the individual building permits.

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So it will be split over all of these individual lots as they're developed in terms of when it's paid.

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Because I know Ryan Meadows on the other end of the West End, there hasn't been anything done to the street that they front on Ryan Road.

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But they've been there for a year or more.

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I'm not aware of any immediate plans for improvements on Ryan Road, but the impact fees

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will be paid with each permit.

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Hey, you may want to give a clarification to Commissioner Sullivan that it's at the city's

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option whether the perimeter street paving's done or where they collect the fees.

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Yeah, yeah.

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In this case, the agreement outlined how much would be paid for each phase of this development

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for impact phase for road water and sewer so Commissioner Smith thank you

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chair clarification on the bottom of the plaque there it says street

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d just ends and they're in the map is that connecting to the neighborhood

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itself of that track exactly is happening there yeah see much I can't quite

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go further south creek view or creek day oh does it I'm sorry yeah it does tie

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the existing subdivision. I don't see the exact streak that you were referencing but it ties into

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the existing subdivision. So basically the most of my question is I was pretty. I was pretty

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able to pay attention. I looked at the next page. Does this plot eventually connect the neighborhood

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from Ryan all the way down to Hickory Creek or is there through the neighborhood or is the only way

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for people to get to Hickory Creek and then go back out to Teasley or go back out to 1830? It would

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to be connected through the name of our scheme.

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That was a question I had from my resident.

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The another thing that was brought up,

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permission of Sullivan talked about the traffic analysis.

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Can we get any information on that?

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There was one done in 2014 for this.

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Can we get a refresher on that during the actual meeting

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at 6.30 or?

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I could look into that to my knowledge.

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There hasn't been one done for this subdivision.

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And the one, I think, from 2014 was for another subdivision

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along Ryan Road.

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OK.

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The what say, what say does the city have

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and requiring the developer to put in acceleration

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and deceleration lanes coming into the neighborhood itself

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off of Ryan Road?

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Since the point time, or is there anything we could do

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is that?

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Honestly, I'm not certain on that.

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Since they did enter into the agreement that specified how much

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they would contribute towards the roadways,

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I don't know if there would be any room for that, but we could look into it.

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Okay. I was just bringing up concerns.

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I was brought to me about a couple of different citizens in the neighborhood that butts in.

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The last thing was within the preliminary planning process that we're in,

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what landscaping requirements are there currently?

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Is it zoned in R2?

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At this point, it's technically still in the city's ETJ.

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The agreement requires that once their final plan is approved, they apply for annexation into the city and then at that point

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It stipulates that they would apply for an NR3 zoning designation for the property

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In terms of landscaping the agreement outlined a very specific landscaping

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Plan for the entire subdivision as well as the other tracks the primary feature and this portion would be

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Let me get to the right page all of the trees that exist along the west side of the property or most of them are to remain

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in place and the same thing on the south side.

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Okay, that was the biggest questions I had there.

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And one other thing we brought up, what are the other, you said this is, this is track

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one C. What are the other tracks within this?

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It's kind of hard to see here.

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The one immediately joining it where all of the flood plain is, is one B, and the agreement

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specified that that would have up to three single family homes, but the majority of the

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ESA and the flood plain is all to remain intact.

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And then the other portion is further east from there and that would be kind of a second phase of the Good Samaritan Center.

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It works.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions for Hayley on this item?

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Okay.

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Thank you, Hayley.

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As far as our public hearings this evening, we'll need to get a, we'll open item A and

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Chair would like to get a motion from one of the other commissioners to continue this to the 21st, and we'll leave it open.

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And then the other two items, we're not going to take any action on those since they have been withdrawn.

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And that will take us through the items that are on our agenda.

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And I think Richard has got some other items that are off agenda that he wanted to go over with us here at work session.

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It just wanted to sort of update everybody what's kind of going to go on the next meeting.

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It's going to be a pretty hefty agenda, particularly for the work session.

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We'll have three items, specific for work session, two of those I handed out tonight.

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These are the new or draft design criteria manual for transportation and drainage.

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So I wanted to get those well in advance rather than just sending them that Friday before

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so everybody had a chance to take a look at it.

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They are online as well, so we can provide that in an email.

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They're on the city's website, if you wanted to look at them electronically.

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But in the transportation manual, you'll see quite a bit of changes from the existing,

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specifically with outlines, it's TIA changes to pavement standards, right away with.

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So I'll save all of the details for engineering taught estus.

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Director of Capital Improvements will be here as well as pre-tam to go over both of these.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Well, let's affect the mobility plan in any way.

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Are we changing streets, directions, or anything like that?

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It'll actually widen some of the residential streets.

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Right.

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But not necessarily change the mobility plan.

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One thing you'll see in here, they're going,

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they're starting to go with context-sensitive corridors.

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So that will ultimately play into that.

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So there are sort of some given take.

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So if it's on a context sensitive corridor,

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there are some things that you can do to possibly reduce a park if you put a bike lane seat.

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So there's a number of different options sort of outlined in the manual.

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Okay, also as the only member here that's part of that subcommittee done with the DDC changes.

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Are we going to be holding any more meetings?

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Yes, or they actually implement because a new rewrite is supposed to be set up for the summer sometime.

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Even probably sooner than that.

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We're looking at getting sort of a first initial draft, possibly next month of some of the chapters.

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And so at that point in time, that subcommittee will then reconvene and start to go over those.

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and so what we suspect is probably March April sort of alternating work

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session and then the following meeting. We could probably plan on every work

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session having a sub-chapter or at least a section to review to get through

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that. So I just wanted to kind of preface that as we move forward that and not

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meant to carry it on in further just real quickly. Are they scheduled to have at

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It's one more public hearing on that before it goes to City Council.

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There'll be a cut on the criteria manual or the code.

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The code, so we'll have a number of public here.

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Okay, okay, right, thank you.

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The only other item that we'll get it to you prior to, I'll try to get that to you next week.

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Again, so you have it before the meeting.

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Debra Villares will be here to present changes to Subchapter 17,

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which deals with our environmentally sensitive areas.

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So there's some changes that she'd work through with her group.

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So we wanted to bring that to a work session as well.

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And then we have just to give you an idea.

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We have three rezoning and an SGP and then two preliminary plaats.

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So it's going to be, like I said, it'll be a bountiful agenda.

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What's the expected date for the adoption of the transportation criteria manual

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and the storm water and when those would go into effect.

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I think they're pushing to get them done sooner than later.

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They've opened up a sort of a 30 day window.

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And so what we talked about was rather than sort of have the meet,

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sort of let's just do it, let's open the window and then we can have that public hearing in between and

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that way if somebody from the public, I guess if they want to come, they could.

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So whether or not we want to open something up at the regular meeting, I mean, I guess that's an option that we can do.

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I don't know if, again, it's sort of up to, I'll leave that up to you guys how you want to handle that or just leave it as a work session item, okay?

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Commissioner Smith.

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Off the top of these, just for the public hearings, you probably may just find here.

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Do we need to make a motion to continue public hearing A and then B in season's there for items from the draw and we just, no action.

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I will call a conclusion to our work session at 517 and we will reconvene in council chambers at 630.

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Thank you.

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Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for January 10, 2008.

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This meeting's been dilly posted, and we do have a quorum present, and I will call us to order at 630. Our first order of business will be to stand and give the pledge to the US and the Texas flag.

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of

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the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indisputable with liberty and justice for all.

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Honour the Texas flag, a pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one in indivisible.

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Before we get started this evening on the rest of our agenda, we'll make an announcement for

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For some of you who may be here, we have two items that are on our public hearing, items

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4B and 4C that are the Woodlands Project on McKinney Street.

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That item has been withdrawn from our meeting this evening.

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So if you're here for that item, or either of those two items, will that not be heard tonight

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and we do not have a date certain on that so I'll announce that before we get started on

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the rest of our meeting. With that announcement, we will now move on to our

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consent agenda.

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Chair would entertain a motion on the consent agenda. Commissioner

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Smith. Motion to approve. Commissioner Beck. Second. Okay. We have a first and a

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second for approval. Any discussion? Commissioner Sullivan. Not just that. Okay.

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I have a motion and a second for approval, and we will call for a vote on the board.

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Motion is going to carry five to zero.

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That will take us to our items for individual consideration, and I will call on Haley

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for presentation of item P17-0010.

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Good evening.

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This item is a preliminary plat for the Creekside subdivision located on the south side of Ryan

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Road.

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It's 137 residential lots and three common area lots.

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These are being developed in accordance with the terms of a pre-annexation development agreement that was passed in 2016 by the City Council.

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This is one of three phases for the entire Creek side development.

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And staff is recommending approval of this plan with the condition that the existing gas flow onsite be plugged in accordance with the terms of the pre-annexation development agreement.

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and that a final plat not be considered by the Planning and Zoning Commission until such time as the well is plugged.

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Can stand for any questions.

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Questions?

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No.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you, Haley.

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This is an item of individual consideration.

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I have a number of cards here to speak on this item.

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And I will start with the applicant, Thomas Fletcher.

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Do you give your name and address?

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Good evening, commissioners.

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Thomas Fletcher with Kindling Horn, 5750 Genesis Court, Frisco, Texas, 75034.

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Appreciate y'all's consideration to this item tonight.

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I realize there's a lot of citizens of Fistle Hill and maybe some of the surrounding neighborhoods

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that are in attendance tonight that have some questions and concerns.

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So what I'd like to do is kind of give an overview of the project and hopefully maybe that

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that will shed some light or maybe answer some of the questions that are had.

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If we can show the preliminary plat, so the preliminary plat, the portion that you're

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seeing on the screen here, this is the northern portion of the track.

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When we went through the PAD process, the PADA process with the city, one of the things we

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looked at is we wanted to do a development that really took advantage of the existing natural

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feature of the track. There's a lot of beautiful mature trees. So when we did the layout and the design and we were working with staff, we tried to keep the residential lots kind of towards the center portion of the track and create and keep the buffers that are on the perimeter.

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As you notice, there is a residential street running north south.

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We do not have lots that are backing to Thistle Hill.

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We have a landscape buffer there of the existing trees.

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It's approximately 120 feet wide on the north portion.

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As you go further south, I think it trims down to about 80 feet.

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Another thing when we were looking at this and we were doing the layout early on, we looked

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We looked at the Thistle Hill development, when Thistle Hill was developed,

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Thistle Ridge actually had a ride-of-way stub out to this track.

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When the development occurred, they did not build the roadway stub and

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the plans that set future ride-away for future extension to connect to the existing development.

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So as we worked with staff and we talked about the development and

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concerns that Thistle Hill might have with this connection to their development and

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and bringing additional traffic into their development.

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We looked at how do we meet the fire department or the fire code requirement of two access

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points in the distance between those access points.

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So this particular track has an 80 foot wide piece that runs south to Creekdale Drive.

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So for our two points of access, we have access to Creekdale and we have access to Ryan Road.

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So you will have some traffic split that will go between the two.

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So not all the traffic is going to be let out from the subdivision on to Ryan Road.

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Also as part of the agreement, because of the impact, because of what we were asking of the city.

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We are, we looked at Ryan Road, we talked about improvements to Ryan Road or

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our portion of contribution to the improvements or future improvements of Ryan Road.

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because there are concerns within the city about peace milling the roadway in doing these little scab on pieces adjacent to development.

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The decision was made with the city or by the city that the escrow of funds to assist with the future construction of Ryan Road was in the best interest of the city.

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The PADA stipulates that $589,000 will be donated by this development for perimeter roadway

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improvements to Ryan Road.

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That comes out to $4,300 per lot, which is more than twice what the roadway impact fee

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per lot is within the city's current ordinance.

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Along the south where we abut to Ryan Ranch, we've got a 70-foot buffer along there.

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So if you see this, this is the south portion of the track.

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I know it's not.

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It's a little bit hard to see on the screen.

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But you've got the north south road that kind of curves over and goes through the piece.

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It's kind of, I'd call it a flag lot, but there's 80 foot wide there.

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And that's going to have a residential street, which will be 27 feet back-to-back.

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There will be a sidewalk connecting the development down to Creekdale Drive.

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There's a 70-foot buffer between the proposed development and Ryan Ranch.

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All the majority of the mature trees within all of these open spaces are to be preserved.

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We've got trails throughout the development.

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We're taking advantage of the nice open spaces and putting in a mandering trail through the trees.

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to the east of the project adjacent to the floodplain in the actual creek.

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We're putting in a minute center with the children's playground and a swimming pool in the development.

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Like as Haley had mentioned, the development is contingent upon the well-being cap.

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There's an existing gas well on the site.

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As part of this development, that gas well is to be kept.

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That process has already begun.

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All the surface equipment has been removed, the surface has been cleaned up.

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Now we're waiting for the plug-in company, they're very busy at this time of the year.

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But we're on their schedule and we're waiting for the plug-in company to come up and

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cap the whale so that that should occur within the next few weeks.

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But anyway, that's kind of an overview.

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I tried to hit on transportation, the open space, the gas well.

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Well, I'll be happy to answer any questions and I'd be glad to come up afterwards if there's questions that are generated from the residents that I could potentially answer.

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Do you have a question? Commissioner Smith.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Can you give me a rough estimate of property values for the development that's going in?

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Let me defer to the developer.

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Sure, let him introduce himself.

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I have a question for you, but I'll have a good one of the property values.

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Mr. Chairman and members of the Planning and Zoning Commission, I'm John Dickerson, 8333 Douglas,

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Sweet 1300 Dallas, Texas, I'm the President of Dickerson Development, and we are very excited to be your applicant.

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I actually own the property, we've closed on the property in November, so we're the owners of this 47-acre track,

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And we're very, very excited to be bringing this community into your city.

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We have two home builders lined up for this community and the price range of the homes that

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they've told us are $350,000 to $450,000.

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Okay, the two different home builders that are coming in, one of the questions I was raised

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by a citizen and brought to me was the worry of a cookie cutter facade being put up.

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Anything you could speak to that at all publicly?

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Certainly.

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Certainly.

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The PAD, the PADA, which was negotiated before we took over this property, addressed a lot

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of the issues of psych plans and setbacks to avoid the cooking hut or look that occurs

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in a lot of communities, you know, throughout the Metroplex and namely, we stagger front

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yard setbacks.

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There's basically three lots or three categories, A, B and C, two staggers so that there's

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not just a linear line of front yard set back.

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And then in our Homeowners Association,

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deed restrictions, we've got restrictions

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on front elevations, building materials,

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excuse me, masonry, brick, and I guess protections

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in there to make sure that it doesn't look

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like that there's not so many homes at the same time

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that there's different products.

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Did you guys drive through Fissa Hills at all

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to take ideas about how to create continuity within the area, keep the precisely looking

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the same as the wrong word to use, but something similar to what's already around it.

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I think this will hill is the standard or the quality of the quality that we envision happening

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on this property.

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Great, so absolutely.

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Thanks, sir.

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Yes, thank you.

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Did you guys ever have a neighborhood meeting with residents of this will hill to discuss

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this?

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No, we did not.

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All the meetings were with the city staff and the city officials.

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Usually brought up during zoning issues, not usually during our preliminary plating, but you could probably see this is a little bit more charged than normal preliminary plating plating.

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I think that was because the track is currently located in the ETJ, and then as part of the PADA, once the final plates are approved, we have to submit for annexation within 10 days.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Any other questions?

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Commissioner Sullivan.

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Thanks, Chair.

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I know it's all paid for the street impact fees or to be paid upfront.

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In fact, all three phases to combine are going to be $896,700.

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And my question is, since the traffic survey has not been done, how do you know what you're

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paying for?

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So when we met with the city, the city was in the process of doing their roadway impact

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fee.

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And what the city's consultant had determined was they had gone through and done a study of impacts on what a single family lot

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Impacts within a certain area of dent and what does that impact have on the roadway infrastructure in the system.

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And at the time I think at one point the city was looking at bringing forward a $3,000 per lot impact fee.

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And then as it went through the process that it was settled out on a $2,000 per lot impact fee.

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But what the study shows is that the actual impact is a little bit more significant than that.

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But if you make your roadway impact fee too high, then it could drive developers away.

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Because this project is located in the ETJ and we were asking for pre-annucation development agreement,

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That's why we came in at a roadway impact fee that is more in line with or appropriate to the impact of our development.

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So that figure was determined by the city and presented to us as part of the pre-annexation development agreement.

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So the study that was done by the city's consultant is what was utilized to help determine that appropriate fee amount.

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Well, I guess what I'm asking is, is that going to pay just to re-assault Ryan Rode, is it going to be?

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No, what it does is that covers, if we were to go out and do the perimeter roadway improvements,

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that fee is in line with the cost of that section of roadway.

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So, because if you go out and you drive, there are several areas adjacent to the Walmart,

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Mark Forest Hill, Teasley Trails, where with the development, the road was actually constructed and you get some incontinuity.

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So the city said, well, if we start assessing these impact fees versus having the developer themselves build this small section, or they're half of the roadway, then once we accumulate a certain amount of dollars, we can start the process of going out and doing schematic design, determination of road section.

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We can go through and do our flood study. So they can start using, so once these dollars are paid and put into the account, the city can start the process of planning for the improvements of this road, that planning will help them determine the overall, do an estimation of the overall cost, and then they can use that to start looking for sources to fund. Because you have, I mean, if you look at the,

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The area, I think about 60% of the front edge adjacent to Ryan Road is already developed.

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So you don't have as much development that's going to come in and contribute.

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So the city has to look at where are, what is the cost and

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then how can we fund the improvements to the overall roadway?

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You trust him more than I do.

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You only got to be adding at that, what, 137 homes?

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is 137 homes. My concern is that Thistle Hill phase one and two has about 150 homes and a couple of

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years ago there was a traffic survey done on Andrew because residents were concerned about the

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speeding of cars because it's a pretty straight shot from the back of Thistle Hill to Ryan Road.

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And during a five day period they had 2968 cars that went southbound from Ryan Road

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on to Andrew, another 3,173 cars that went northbound going from Andrew on to Ryan Road.

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So that's 6,141 cars that we're either going on to or off of Ryan Road.

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So that means that y'all's development is going to add an additional 6,000 cars going into

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or out of Ryan Road, but they're going to be traveling that Ryan Road.

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How do you all plan to get people out in a safe and

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expedited manner when you have all these cars coming within

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what, 300 feet of each other?

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From Andrew to Street A or whatever you call it?

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So the driveway spacing, when we look at the driveway spacing

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from Fistle Hill to our entry road, we look at the cities,

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the ultimate use of that roadway.

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What is the ultimate design section?

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What is the spacing?

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So if you look at Ryan Road and you drive up, there's a lot of, because it's developed

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over time, there's a lot of homes that front Ryan Road.

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So you have a lot of driveways with spacing that is relatively close when, you know, I think

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there's probably, you could probably find drives that are within, you know, 75 to 100 feet.

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Well, when we look at our development, we go through our design.

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We set our entry to where it is the distance apart from the entry to Thistle Hill meets the city's thoroughfare standards or traffic design standards so that there's adequate site distance, there's adequate visibility.

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So somebody that stopped in our development at Ryan Road, they have good sight and visibility.

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There's nothing impeding their visibility, and there's not going to be a car coming out of an adjacent driveway,

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whereas if they're coming out quickly, and we're coming, somebody in ours is coming out slowly, where it would create an issue.

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As far as the traffic count, I would imagine if those traffic count numbers, I would assume that those traffic count numbers probably included maybe traffic

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I think that was going through this little hill to get South to Creek Delta, maybe other developments.

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So from a traffic, I'm not a traffic engineer, but working with our traffic engineers.

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I know that a residential, single-family residential development typically generates about 9.5 trips per day.

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So if you round that up to 10, you're talking about 1,370 trips per day, that's generated from this development.

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In a peak hour, AM and PM, it's around one per lot.

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So you're talking about 137 peak hour trips that are added to the roadway system.

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Because the way our development is laid out, one of the things we did is, so we didn't

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have a straight through from Creekdale up to Ryan, we made it to where the, anyone coming

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or trying to go through the development would have to come down and go around.

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So we made several turns within the development that they would have to make.

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We didn't want to create a straight cut through.

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It, you know, studies have shown that if you make it harder for someone to cut through, you're going to reduce that cut through the traffic.

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So we didn't want to make this a development that's going to create an opportunity for a lot of cut through traffic.

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So I don't know if maybe their development has some cut through traffic in those numbers.

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But from a TIA standpoint, we would expect that 1,370 trips would be generated from this development per day.

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We would assume a certain percentage of those are going to go down to Creekdale and then go further south from there.

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What that percentage is without a TIA, I would probably guess that you might have 25% go south and 75% go north.

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just because the lots on the southern portion of the development, it's going to be quicker

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for them to get out if they go down to Creekdale and then I'm not sure there's another

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north-south connector street that goes out and I think comes out over by Sprouts.

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I'm not sure of all the street names, but that would be one way that the residents would

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get out and over to 2181.

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We're going to have to go Creekdale to River Pass,

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Hickory Creek, to then go on Hickory Creek,

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which is probably worse condition than Ryan Road.

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Let me ask you, have you, did you all talk to Ryan Ranch people,

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residents as far as dumping ever had many people into their neighborhood?

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We don't have any connectivity to their neighborhood.

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Well, Creekdale, I believe River Chase, if it's the correct street.

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Yeah, River Pass.

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River Pass is a collector and boundary of.

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So there's a north-south collector that ties into Creekdale that doesn't have any

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lots located on it.

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So Ryan Rant, it's my understanding if I'm not, if I'm thinking correctly, because I know

435
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when we looked at the sewer, because one of the things we looked at with the city is taking

436
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,680
the Granada List station offline and making it gravity, which would save the city money with

437
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,240
operation expense for that listation, one of the things we had to look at is there needed some

438
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:50,520
up sizing of some of the sewer lines for their south in that I believe it's river pass, river chase.

439
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,700
They mentioned that when we were talking about, they mentioned that if there was any up sizing required,

440
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,900
they could potentially go that route because it's a collector and it did not impact any

441
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:08,160
any lots or sewer line with services on it.

442
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,220
But I'd have to look at a map to verify that, because I'm not.

443
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:12,940
Okay.

444
00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:14,100
Thank you.

445
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,540
It is River Pass, River Pass Drive.

446
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,280
And are there lots running River Pass?

447
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,320
They back to it.

448
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,260
Back to it, thank you.

449
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,900
On the east side, and the east side lots back to it,

450
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,580
and the west of that is still farmland.

451
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,940
Any other questions for the applicant?

452
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:36,720
Thank you.

453
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,200
Thank you.

454
00:37:38,480 --> 00:38:03,900
And this is a individual agenda item and so I do have several other cards I wish you to speak and just take these in the order in which they are presented I have a Richard Botto 3913 Maggie Meadow and it's not marked whether it's in support of opposition please come forward, give us your name and address and then the card I have to follow you be a car in a cathode.

455
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:10,980
would. Yes, good evening. Thanks for the opportunity to speak to the board or to the commission.

456
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:23,200
I am a member of Thistle Hills, Richard Boto 3913 Maggie's Meadow in Denton 76210. I am

457
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:31,640
actually the president of our Thistle Hills phase one HOA newly formed about one year ago.

458
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:42,540
And we do have some, we do have some concerns, I wouldn't call it complete opposition, but we have some concerns on the New Neighborhood.

459
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:47,480
One, I guess I didn't get the question quickly and enough to the applicant.

460
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:59,400
There's, I believe it was indicated that there's 120 to 80 feet wide buffer on the one side.

461
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:07,920
And presently, there's multiple trees that are tagged with yellow ribbons, but there's

462
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,360
a whole lot of foliage in that area as well that are major trees that are not.

463
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,760
And I guess, like the first of all, ask the question of if we can get an understanding

464
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,480
if just the ones that are tagged yellow at the moment are planned to be saved or more than

465
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,360
just that in that area.

466
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,060
Okay. Can I ask you do you have several questions for the applicant or just one?

467
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:38,720
Probably the rest are more for the city. Okay. Ask the applicant to please come forward and let's address the

468
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:50,300
As far as the tree tags we have not done any tagging to signify what's being removed versus what's being saved

469
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,120
So when we go out and do our tree survey

470
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:59,040
When they tag certain trees typically that's gonna the city of ditten has different classifications for trees

471
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:06,660
So the trees that have the ribbon would meet a certain classification, but what we do is we go out and we tag.

472
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:16,780
We'll tag and tie all the trees that are six inches or larger than we go through and put together a tree survey.

473
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:27,740
When we did our development, our design, that buffer, the distance we set the buffer enabled us to look at minimal impacts to the tree.

474
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:33,420
So, there's very minimal, there are some trees that are being removed, but within that primary

475
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:38,940
120 feet width, the majority of those trees are being preserved.

476
00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:44,680
As far as when we have to go out and do some grading right up by the right of way, typically

477
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:51,520
if there's a tree within 10 to 15 foot of the right of way, the grading activity is going

478
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,520
that usually damage the tree to where it wouldn't survive.

479
00:40:55,940 --> 00:41:02,440
So any tree within probably 110 feet of that back property line would be preserved

480
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,980
and then that 10 and then 50 foot right away, those were where you would start seeing tree removal.

481
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:13,300
And then we're doing a trail through the trees and basically what we do on the design

482
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:17,700
for the trail through the trees is it's kind of a design build trail so that we can kind

483
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:23,360
We kind of go through and weave through the trees, and so that we're not removing trees to add concrete walk.

484
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:31,160
We're building a concrete walk within the trees so that the citizens can enjoy the trees within the area.

485
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,560
Does that answer your question?

486
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:33,980
It does.

487
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,360
Okay.

488
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,380
I have a follow up while you're there at the mic.

489
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,000
Have you already done your tree survey?

490
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:38,880
We have.

491
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,240
We have done the tree survey.

492
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,660
It's been submitted to the city for review.

493
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:48,920
We've done our grading plans, our construction plans are under review through the city.

494
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:58,460
So I'd have to go back and relook at the numbers, but if we looked at the overall track and we looked at the percentage of canopy and

495
00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:05,600
caliper inches that we're saving, I think we're saving about 65% of the caliper inches on the site.

496
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:19,420
the city. The city has two different standards. They have canopy trees and then they have trees that are kind of individual trees, but as far as canopy goes, the requirement is preserving 20%.

497
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:28,940
I believe I know that there was some, I know a lot of the standards have been reviewed and there's changes that are maybe being proposed.

498
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:35,240
But the last time I looked, I don't want to, if something's been updated or changed then I may not be speaking to what's current.

499
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:46,040
But if based on what's current, we're saving about 45, probably around 45% over and above what would typically be required.

500
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,300
So it's a very conservative approach, a very preservation oriented approach to the trees.

501
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:58,420
I figured it was. I'm going to give you the opportunity to address that. So, thank you for answering my question.

502
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,240
Please, may I ask them one of the different questions?

503
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Sure. Okay. With the developments.

504
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,820
Can you step closer to the mic?

505
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:10,500
Let me make sure and get it on the recording.

506
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:18,800
So, with the development against Ryan Road, can you help us understand what type of,

507
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,900
if you're

508
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:27,660
of the development to Ryan Road and the construction of that wall?

509
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,020
Yeah, absolutely.

510
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,460
We are going to have a screening wall.

511
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:37,220
So one of the other things we did is if you notice on the connection to Ryan Road, a

512
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:40,360
lot of developments will typically back lots to Ryan Road.

513
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,520
We wanted ours to be kind of set back and create a buffer.

514
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:49,360
So not only do we have the 120 foot buffer along our western edge, we've carried that through

515
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,440
across Ryan.

516
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:56,880
We are, as part of our requirements, we're going to have a masonry screen wall across

517
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,180
Ryan Road.

518
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,060
And then we also have an entry feature that's going to look.

519
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:07,040
John could probably describe it better than I can.

520
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:16,000
But it's going to be an entry monument that has a bridge type fill.

521
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,800
as if you were going across a covered bridge and into a

522
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,580
ventilation there. I know you had a word for an

523
00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:29,440
Appalachian style entry feature and so it'll be a

524
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,580
real nice entry way. We've got a divided median for

525
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:36,460
the street that's connecting to Ryan Road so that

526
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:40,700
divided median will have landscaping in it so the

527
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,200
amenity center will sit right in here so as you're

528
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,320
going westbound on Ryan Road and you look down in through the creek and all

529
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,700
you'll be able to see the amenity center, the children's playground and the

530
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:56,800
swimming pool. As you turn into street A we've got an HOA lot so when you turn in

531
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
you're not gonna you're not gonna see homes right away.

532
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:26,680
We have a masonry screen wall along there as well that kind of protects those first row of homes, so that the headlights aren't shining into homes or backyards or anything. So, we've got real nice landscaping, hardscaping design for this entry. So, there's quite a bit of beautification that's going on right there at Ryan Road. Thank you. Thank you. Please continue.

533
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:26,800
Thank you.

534
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:27,440
Okay.

535
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:38,960
The next question that I had is, with the addition of Creekside now, in addition to

536
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,640
Teasley Trails, Forest Meadows, Ryan Meadows, so now we'll have basically four new developments

537
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,780
coming in there.

538
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:56,180
There was a traffic impact study for Ryan Road, I believe, done in 2014, and the first question

539
00:45:56,180 --> 00:46:05,920
is there, what is the plan to have another study done, now that all these four new neighborhoods

540
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,640
are coming in, and this study was done before any of them have basically been in it all.

541
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:12,460
Okay.

542
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:18,920
That'd be something to have to ask staff to speak to, and Haley, or Richard, who would like

543
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,480
to take that?

544
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:29,770
At this time, there are no immediate plans for any traffic study that I'm aware of, but as

545
00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:44,290
As he mentioned with the impact fees being collected for each of the new subdivisions, the city will ask for that money and have it available when the plans are made for Ryan Road to be fully improved to its full right of way with I think Commissioner back as a follow up question for you.

546
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:50,350
Thank you chair. Hey, nobody's talking about it, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

547
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:57,450
isn't on our mobility plan, isn't Ryan Road schedule to become either a main

548
00:46:57,450 --> 00:47:02,350
arterial or secondary arterial four-lane road possibly even with a medium in

549
00:47:02,350 --> 00:47:06,210
the middle. I know that could be way down the road but isn't that in the the

550
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:09,830
plans on our mobility plan? Yes, are the ultimate attendance works be a secondary

551
00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:13,790
arterial? Okay. That would be at least 110 feet of right away. Okay. So at least four

552
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:17,770
lanes divided. So that's something to look forward to the problem is that may not

553
00:47:17,770 --> 00:47:22,930
happening time soon. Yeah. Okay. That's the ultimate intent. Okay. Okay. But it would be

554
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:28,190
a lot of the traffic that these developments are going to bring in when that happens. Yeah. Okay.

555
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:34,970
Thank you. So I hate to have Haley getting up and down. So maybe if we just keep her here,

556
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:40,350
take your seat right there. Keep her here close. Okay. Sure. Because because the next question,

557
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:44,190
I'm sorry. Yeah. You're fine. Go ahead. Because the next question really becomes,

558
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:51,210
You know, when do we think that'll be with 137 homes here with the other three subdivisions

559
00:47:51,210 --> 00:48:00,370
which are hundreds of homes in there with the one, sorry, I don't have the names all

560
00:48:00,370 --> 00:48:10,260
down, with the Ryan Meadows there, I think we were just talking about it over Christmas

561
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:29,560
notice that before the beginning of last year, there was a lot of dirt work done, but we didn't see a home in there and we turn around now and there has to be 30 or more homes in there, several waiting on some permits, I think, and then momentarily people start flooding into that neighborhood.

562
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,420
they're flooding into, they're flooding into forest

563
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:43,440
meadows and teasily, continuously, you know, we expect to see a huge influx

564
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:50,820
of traffic in there very, very quickly. So can the commission help us to

565
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:57,140
understand when we think that road is going to happen? And you know, where do we

566
00:48:57,140 --> 00:49:03,260
We go to make sure that happens before we run into problems both with traffic and both with safety.

567
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:10,060
We also have an elementary school back there, so needless to say, if we've got a lot of traffic there and we have a problem,

568
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:20,920
obviously we have people parking on our right away there in front of Thistle Hills on the median on a regular basis.

569
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:25,480
I didn't realize that was a parking lot, by the way, so that happens on a regular basis.

570
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,980
So we have cars all over the place.

571
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,240
So question one is, when do we believe that that will actually happen to become a road?

572
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:41,180
And then number two, we talked about this, this kitty that everybody,

573
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,480
that all the developers are throwing money into.

574
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:49,280
At what threshold does this kitty hit the mark that says, okay, it's time to spend us

575
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,180
and start doing something to the roads?

576
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:53,780
Well, I'll take a stab at that.

577
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:56,900
That's not something that our commission deals with.

578
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:01,760
That's something that actually is going to be internal city staff and policy that they draft.

579
00:50:02,580 --> 00:50:07,220
So we can't address when those improvements will be or what the timeframe is.

580
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:10,780
That was something they would need to address to city staff directly on that.

581
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,880
I'm sorry that that's just the honest answer that I can give you.

582
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:30,900
Okay, so as we would address that to city staff in a non-event like this, where would we then put that on record for the issue that we have a need out there?

583
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:33,500
Looks like staff would like to weigh in here.

584
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:42,760
or a pension. A lot of that happens every year we look at it, they do a capital improvements plan.

585
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:49,660
What they'll look at is the amount of money that's collected, part of the issue,

586
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,960
particularly with Ryan and the applicant's representative kind of headed to the west of you,

587
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,620
there's still a lot of single family homes that that a blood Ryan wrote and so there's quite a bit

588
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:05,340
of acquisition that still needs to take place.

589
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,580
Some of that occurs when there's a plat.

590
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,800
So it's just a matter of acquiring that right away and at what time.

591
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,240
When they come into plat, that's usually when the city is able to acquire that land.

592
00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:27,800
Otherwise, you're sort of really negotiating with a homeowner to try to purchase them.

593
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:36,800
I'll just throw it said, of course, this is the preliminary flat stage as this development continues.

594
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:46,220
There will be other public forums within this board or with the City Council to put those comments on record.

595
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:47,900
I think is what you were asking, right?

596
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,300
Okay.

597
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:48,840
Okay.

598
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Thank you.

599
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:51,840
Thank you for your comments.

600
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:59,780
My next speaker is Karn Catherwood to be followed by John Dickerson.

601
00:52:08,170 --> 00:52:10,390
Good evening gentlemen and ladies.

602
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:13,130
My name is Karn Catherwood.

603
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:21,430
I live at 39-41 Andrew Avenue which is the free way that runs through the middle of

604
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:31,190
We have a huge traffic problem, and I've lived there 11 years, I'm aware of the concerns

605
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:37,930
of most of the people who have moved in since we've been there and those who were there

606
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:44,890
before us. Most of these concerns have been answered by the previous settlement, and I'm

607
00:52:44,890 --> 00:52:48,250
grateful to hear some positive answers,

608
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:51,170
and so I won't go back over those issues

609
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:52,370
that he's already addressed.

610
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:55,650
I would like to just mention once again,

611
00:52:55,770 --> 00:53:01,790
an emphasize that there is a need for a traffic survey,

612
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,710
a traffic study, whether this is something

613
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:08,770
that you guys do or that is a delegator to somebody else.

614
00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:12,370
We are very worried about gridlock and Ryan Road.

615
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:17,370
All the new subdivisions, I'm not against them, I'm glad that they're there.

616
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:23,390
We have to fill in the South Denton with folks and that's what we're doing.

617
00:53:24,010 --> 00:53:28,930
But Ryan Road is, it's not quite what I would call a mess, but it's getting there.

618
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:36,170
And it's a little fuzzy in my mind whether or not there is a traffic survey plan.

619
00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:38,470
There was one done I think in 2014.

620
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:44,110
But with all the housing, all the people, all the cars, you really need to do another one.

621
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:47,330
And it needs to be official, not just something that a developer does.

622
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:54,330
And I'm grateful for the input from those who are developing a creek site, and that's helpful.

623
00:53:54,950 --> 00:54:02,870
But something that is official from Country Club to Teasley, the whole length of the road in front of the elementary school,

624
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:05,530
we need something done officially.

625
00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:07,190
It'll cost a few bucks, I know.

626
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:19,050
But it would make the people in my neighborhood very happy, and with time it would probably accelerate Ryan road becoming four lanes, which is going to have to become at some point in the future.

627
00:54:19,550 --> 00:54:23,250
So I just throw that out there as something for you folks to think about.

628
00:54:23,890 --> 00:54:35,510
One other item, and I'll be very brief, when pre-approval was given for Creekside back in August of 2016, those of us who lived next door to them do nothing about it,

629
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:38,730
But it was really done very quietly and very discreetly.

630
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:42,450
We all wish you had been done a little bit more publicly.

631
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:47,070
We wish we had known a little bit about it.

632
00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:48,110
We didn't.

633
00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:50,170
We thought all that land was still for sale.

634
00:54:50,890 --> 00:54:56,430
And I was sort of shocked and surprised just a couple of weeks ago to find out that this

635
00:54:56,430 --> 00:55:01,090
kind of development and analysis have been going on for a couple of years.

636
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:03,890
I know it takes time to do this analysis.

637
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:08,790
and the folks involved have done from what I can see

638
00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:11,270
a very good job, and I compliment them,

639
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:14,070
but I wish there'd been a little bit more openness about it.

640
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:17,470
It's created a funny impression in my neighborhood,

641
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:22,490
and you don't want to create those kinds of funny impressions,

642
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:24,390
because you have to deal with them

643
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:26,330
and people exaggerate and get worried,

644
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:29,430
and there's no point in that happening.

645
00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:32,010
A little bit more openness would have been helpful.

646
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:37,670
I do want to congratulate the developer for the plans for

647
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:39,690
common areas in the new neighborhood.

648
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:42,430
Plans to keep the trees.

649
00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:44,190
We were all worried about that.

650
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:47,950
They're going to come in now and cut down all of our

651
00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:51,250
beautiful trees that we have hanging over our backyards from

652
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:56,050
the other side of the fence that divides us from the new

653
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:57,050
area for Creekside.

654
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:00,990
They're going to keep, I think he said, 65% or 45% of them.

655
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:08,490
Thank you, thank you, thank you on behalf of the folks who's homes back up to your neighborhood.

656
00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:12,430
We'll watch you as you're building your houses because we can see you out there.

657
00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:19,150
And thank you as well to whoever did it that the gas well, which was directly and back at my backyard,

658
00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:24,970
within 400 feet of my property, is now defunct and dead.

659
00:56:25,350 --> 00:56:30,130
And I'm so grateful that we don't have to look out our kitchen window and see that horrible apparatus

660
00:56:30,130 --> 00:56:35,050
the apparatus and the infrastructure and know what's going on behind the scenes.

661
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:40,270
I'm off for gas wells, mind you, I know we need them in Texas.

662
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:44,890
But when they were that close to my backyard, that was a little worrisome.

663
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:51,430
Thank you, that is now defunct and we can look at some of my houses rather than have to look at stuff like that.

664
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:52,950
Thank you for your attention.

665
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:54,510
Thank you for your comments, sir.

666
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:58,070
Mr. Clarification, Mr. Dirkson, have you already spoke?

667
00:56:58,070 --> 00:57:02,730
Okay, let me go on have a billy caraway

668
00:57:05,330 --> 00:57:06,990
30909 Andrew Avenue.

669
00:57:07,290 --> 00:57:07,650
Billy

670
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:18,090
Caraway 30909 Andrew Avenue in our home backs up to the development.

671
00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:20,890
I think most of my questions have been answered.

672
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:23,470
I do have a couple to the developer.

673
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:30,630
They had resurfaced run road and then they put the housing addition down at the end and

674
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:33,070
within two weeks all run roads tore up.

675
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:34,650
How are we going to handle this?

676
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:38,110
you know, keeping it from getting tore up during one's construction starts.

677
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:45,470
And the other one is most of the people on Andrew Avenue, oh, has swimming pools.

678
00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:48,450
Where are we going to put the batch plants at?

679
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:52,410
Are they going to be right or close to us or are we going to put them back when they start

680
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:54,250
to building the roads out there?

681
00:57:54,650 --> 00:57:54,770
Okay.

682
00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:55,590
So my two questions.

683
00:57:56,050 --> 00:57:56,190
Great.

684
00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:57,470
That's all I had, thank you.

685
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:58,610
I'll ask the developers.

686
00:57:58,830 --> 00:58:01,450
Last card I have, and he can address those two questions, too.

687
00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:08,150
The last card I have is John Dickerson, or if you'd like to have your Mr. Fletcher speak

688
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:10,210
for on your behalf, I'll be fine with me.

689
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:15,090
I'll answer the first question first as far as the batch plan.

690
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:21,990
The batch plan would be located within the development on the outside of the tree preserve

691
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:23,370
kind of in the lots.

692
00:58:24,050 --> 00:58:28,750
So typically what they'll do is they'll come in, they'll do all the earthwork, they'll bench

693
00:58:28,750 --> 00:58:29,330
the lots.

694
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:34,670
They'll create an area within the lots that's flat where they can set up the batch plant.

695
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:37,350
They'll go in, they'll put all the utilities in.

696
00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:45,170
Once they get ready to pay, typically the paving on a project like this is probably only going to take four to five weeks at the most.

697
00:58:46,310 --> 00:58:51,090
So the amount of time the batch plant would probably be four to five weeks.

698
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:57,690
In the batch plant would probably be located no closer than 250 feet.

699
00:58:57,690 --> 00:59:01,550
I think there's requirements within the city code that we have to follow.

700
00:59:01,850 --> 00:59:13,170
I'm not sure exactly what that distance is, but just the areas that would accommodate the batch plan would probably be well over 200 feet from those back property lines.

701
00:59:14,530 --> 00:59:25,590
As far as the roadway construction, generally when we go through and have pre-con, the city inspectors go out and they do an inspection of Ryan Road, the existing conditions.

702
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:30,890
The city inspectors are monitoring the contractors throughout the development process.

703
00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:38,090
If there's damage to Ryan Road that they fill is directly associated with the construction or specific contractor,

704
00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:44,270
they will note that and that will be something that they will have to fix or remedy.

705
00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:50,810
So that portion of the process is really, I would say it's really governed or

706
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:57,270
or watched over by the city inspectors, but there is a process to where they're watching

707
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:59,810
the construction and making note of any.

708
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,580
There are some damages that they feel that were occurred that accounted for by the construction. Okay. I'm Mr. Dr. Roger to the microphone. City staff has all of your contact information for you and your firms are correct. So any of the residents that are here that may have some follow-up questions or so forth, can certainly reach out to Haley and request contact information for you to follow up with additional questions if they have them. Yeah, absolutely. I'd be happy to. The other thing I apologize I didn't bring it tonight.

709
01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:32,460
We've got some real nice renderings, color renderings.

710
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:38,320
If I would have realized, there were a lot of questions I would have brought that and share that with you.

711
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,760
I'm happy to provide that and share it.

712
01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:46,620
It shows kind of the tree preserves the trails, the amenities that we're doing.

713
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:49,760
It shows the entry feature, it shows the screening fences.

714
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,060
So if there's interest in that, I would be happy to share.

715
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:59,960
That's part of the PADA so it is public it is a public document, but I'll be glad to email that out

716
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:04,020
Where can they get that if it's a public document? They could request it through the city

717
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:05,180
It's part of ordinance

718
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,980
2016-251 the documents a lot of times when they scan the ordinance the quality of the

719
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:19,260
Exhibits isn't quite what it would be if I provided the PDF so they can either get it through there

720
01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:21,020
I'll be happy to to

721
01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:23,840
Provide that to anyone that would want to copy of it

722
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:26,860
Okay, great. Thank you for that. You have something.

723
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:30,920
I just wanted to, if someone isn't interested in receiving that document,

724
01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:35,400
at the end of the meeting, if you want to provide your email address to Athena,

725
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:37,800
we can email that out to everyone tomorrow.

726
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:44,120
Okay, great. Thank you. That's all the cards that I have here before us.

727
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,020
This is not a public hearing, but it is an item for individual consideration.

728
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:52,120
So, if you would like to speak on the item, you may, you'll need to fill out a card.

729
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,100
And I have no more cards.

730
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:04,620
So with that, I will move us on on this particular item and open the floor up and on Commissioner Sullivan.

731
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,280
Thank you, Chair.

732
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:16,920
My biggest concern about this project is simply the traffic that is going to be the resulting on Ryan Road number one.

733
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:23,680
Hickory Creek, second of all, because I don't think that when you look at the size of

734
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:29,320
this old hill and how many trips that generates, you're all going to be about the same size

735
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,420
and who knows how many cars are going to be in there.

736
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:40,300
The last traffic surveys has been mentioned was 2014 and that was for disproportion of Ryan

737
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,280
road, not the entire Ryan Road.

738
01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:49,060
Since the Antizit Trail has added 167 homes, Ryan Meadows, 141,

739
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,720
to go along with 150 some odd and fissile hill,

740
01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:57,120
plus who knows how many enforced ridge in Manicito subdivisions,

741
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:03,340
that all forced ridge in Manicito were on the north side of Sharon Rose.

742
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:09,940
Elementary schools at both ends, plus a wall mark on the eastern end of it.

743
01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:16,780
I noticed in the handout that we got this evening for next meeting that a traffic analysis

744
01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:21,800
required with the development would generate equal to or more than a thousand vehicle trips

745
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:22,400
per day.

746
01:03:23,060 --> 01:03:28,200
Well, obviously one development may or may not do that, the size that we're talking about.

747
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:33,400
But when you look at all the developments that have gone in and are relatively short length

748
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:40,700
of road, I think that the least the city could do is to perform a traffic survey, spend

749
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:48,420
the $896,000 that these guys are putting up, plus who knows how much more teasily and

750
01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:53,700
Ryan Meadows has put up and make it a full four-lane highway.

751
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,100
And I don't know if that is a condition that we can add to these people or if it's something

752
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:07,260
that maybe needs to be tabled so that the city can do its magic in making sure

753
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:12,560
that there is no additional impact on Ryan Road to further deteriorate the

754
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,740
road and just make it more of a hassle because what's gonna happen is as every

755
01:04:16,740 --> 01:04:21,900
citizen in this room can attest to the one thing we all agree to is our city streets

756
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:28,860
are not very good as a why compound the problem to come in after the fact after all

757
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:32,960
these subdivisions have gone in, including the other two phases that they're going to put in,

758
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,920
and then we're going to tear up Ryan Road and make it a bigger hassle to get up and down the street.

759
01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:45,720
It just makes no sense to me. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Beck.

760
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:50,560
Thank you, Chair. Actually, Commissioner Sullivan kind of hit a lot of what I wanted to dress too,

761
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:56,880
but I did want to go on record and see if we could give some satisfaction to the people that have to

762
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:02,300
live out there where there's anybody in city night, Haley, Ron, that can give us an

763
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:09,040
idea when we could motivate whoever needs to be to do a TIA traffic impact analysis.

764
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:15,260
I agree. It's frustrating to know that this road is going to be widened eventually, but

765
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:21,540
not knowing when it's frustrating. We can't get a handle on that as well as we like, but

766
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:30,680
The CIA seems like considering all the development that's going on there, we should be able to do that and be able to give assistance and answer when that will happen.

767
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:45,640
Is that run, would you be the right person to ask on that, is there, who would be the individual in the city that we could pick on to try and get that started?

768
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,200
We should also try to attempt to answer that question.

769
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:54,720
Of course, Ryan Rowan has always been on our radar, obviously part of our future mobility

770
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,520
plan and hopefully our CIP program as well.

771
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:06,840
I think the people that are in charge are responsible for that are listening, or if they're not,

772
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:13,720
we will definitely make sure that they hear you and watch this video to make sure that

773
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,720
that they hear what the concerns are along Ryan Road is.

774
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,180
I'm wondering would it be possible to maybe

775
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:22,120
Richard or somebody can answer this?

776
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,940
Could by our next PNZ meeting,

777
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:28,280
could we have somebody maybe come to the work session

778
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,560
and give us a little bit more detailed information

779
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:33,340
that we can share with the community?

780
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:36,260
Is that possible or a project matrix I ask about that?

781
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:39,660
Yes, in fact, at the next meeting,

782
01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:42,420
we'll be discussing the new criteria manual,

783
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:42,540
All right.

784
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:45,080
And the capital improvements director,

785
01:06:45,260 --> 01:06:48,160
city engineer, we'll be here at that meeting.

786
01:06:49,220 --> 01:06:53,060
So I will let him know to be prepared to answer those questions.

787
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:53,980
Right, thank you.

788
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:54,400
Thank you.

789
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:55,600
Will that be Todd Estes?

790
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:56,520
It'll be Todd Estes.

791
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,880
Okay, and the other contact person might be Jim James.

792
01:06:59,380 --> 01:06:59,600
Correct.

793
01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:02,880
Okay, so those would be a couple of city staffers

794
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,960
that would be in a position that I think address

795
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,560
some of the questions here before us.

796
01:07:08,340 --> 01:07:08,980
Commissioner Smith.

797
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:09,500
Thank you, Chair.

798
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:15,240
I think that the TIA would be a great thing to do, but let's look at the material facts

799
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,260
what we're talking about tonight.

800
01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:18,280
We're talking about a development that's ready to come in now.

801
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:23,280
Even if the TIA comes back, as Richard has already mentioned, there's further down a

802
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:23,820
Ryan road.

803
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,120
If there wanted to be future expansion, we've got land that still needs to be claimed.

804
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,700
And we have to wait for the MNO domain, or we have to wait for re-plotting on those lands

805
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:36,200
and you tell me when that's going to happen.

806
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,660
And so the expansion of Ryan Road is unknown and if we had to put at least a timeline on it

807
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:45,980
It's probably nothing the next five years if I had if I had to make a wild guess off the cuff

808
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:49,060
So sit here and say let's get the TIA done

809
01:07:49,060 --> 01:07:53,700
The TIA is just gonna come back and tell us exactly what you know. It's it's bogged

810
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,720
It's gonna be bogged and we're gonna come back. So are we gonna expand Ryan Road?

811
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,300
Okay, we're not gonna be able to expand Ryan Road tomorrow or next week or next year

812
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:05,180
And so I just say put it up for consideration that yes

813
01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:08,840
Yes, well, a TIA and talk about expanding Ryan Road is great.

814
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:14,160
It's not immediate, it's not something that can be done quickly and we have something we have to vote on now and talk about.

815
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:21,780
So not really anything more to add to it and just help everyone understand and get some clarity to the actual grow toss of the situation here.

816
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:30,520
So, I can just add to that just a reminder that this is a preliminary plan so that this item will come up for final.

817
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:36,700
And I think that might give staff some more time to address those concerns.

818
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,320
Correct.

819
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:42,440
Commissioner Smith.

820
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,040
Motion to accept the city staff's recommendations.

821
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:49,680
And are there some conditions on that?

822
01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:51,660
The recommendation for approval?

823
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:53,760
No.

824
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:55,660
I think there were.

825
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,820
The two that are presented in the package, so with the city staff's

826
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:05,960
Just a clarification for the guys in the back when they do the records.

827
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:06,560
You're welcome.

828
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:11,700
So we have a motion to approve with the two conditions as recommended in our back up.

829
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,160
Okay.

830
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:13,540
Commissioner Sanchez.

831
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,280
I second that.

832
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:14,700
Okay.

833
01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:17,500
We have a first and a second for approval.

834
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:18,980
Any discussion?

835
01:09:23,850 --> 01:09:25,310
I'll make a comment before we vote.

836
01:09:25,670 --> 01:09:36,330
I would echo Commissioner Sullivan's concerns about ride road and the improvements and a lot of your points were discussed in great detail.

837
01:09:36,990 --> 01:09:39,170
a number or a couple years ago, I guess,

838
01:09:39,350 --> 01:09:41,690
when the traffic impact fees came before us

839
01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:43,050
and were adopted by the city.

840
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:45,330
There's a concern expressed at the time.

841
01:09:46,030 --> 01:09:47,230
Is it worth collecting fees?

842
01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:49,750
People will move in, finally get enough money,

843
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:50,990
and then we'll go tear up the roads.

844
01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:54,970
And that's unfortunately the way that that move forward,

845
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:57,630
and there's gonna be, I think, the process

846
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:59,610
for our city going forward to play

847
01:09:59,610 --> 01:10:00,890
unfortunately some catch up.

848
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:03,950
But these gentlemen are contributing

849
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:06,270
a significant amount of money to that effort

850
01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:11,290
above and beyond two times what's currently required and so you know I think

851
01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:16,130
they're certainly paying their fair share for their impact and their development

852
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:20,890
and so with that I'm going to support the motion and I have a comment from

853
01:10:20,890 --> 01:10:26,590
Commissioner Sanchez. I'm relatively new on this commission and it seems like

854
01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:29,830
that's one of the big issues we've had every time we've talked about

855
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:34,950
developments is that the roads usually I'm gonna be done when the development is

856
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:42,150
done. So I don't really see a solution until the funds, those impact funds are collected.

857
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:47,990
So it just seems like you're not the only people that are facing this every week or every

858
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:53,250
couple of weeks that we meet. We find the same issue over and over again throughout the city.

859
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:59,490
And there's no solution at this time, other than when those funds are collected and then

860
01:10:59,490 --> 01:11:04,410
And the city starts using those funds to be able to expand these roads.

861
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:10,790
And just like Mr. Smith said, basically, it's, we don't have the answer.

862
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:19,070
But hopefully, as the, as money to get collected, then those roads are, are developed.

863
01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:21,190
Okay, commissioner back.

864
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:22,910
Thank you, Chair.

865
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:27,590
I just want to thank everybody for coming out tonight for the citizens and making their presentation.

866
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:33,290
and, you know, this commission needs a lot of input from the people out there that we

867
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:37,390
serve. I appreciate you coming down. I appreciate Mr. Fletcher, Mr. Dickerson, for their presentation,

868
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:42,890
for clearing up a lot of things, as Commissioner Smith suggested. And I know this is just a preliminary

869
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:47,950
plan, but community meetings are always a great, great thing to do to all set a lot of concern.

870
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:55,330
One of the, one thing I did want to point out that I was delighted to hear you mention is the

871
01:11:55,330 --> 01:12:03,090
salvaging of I think 60 65 percent of the trees. Yeah, you could have removed a lot more by city center and the fact that you've done that that

872
01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:11,710
pleases me tremendously. So I'm glad to hear that and I think everybody that lives in that area, I'd recognize the fact that it could have been a lot worse. So these gentlemen

873
01:12:11,710 --> 01:12:15,830
and being commended for salvaging what they have done there. So thank you for that.

874
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:26,430
I can understand the philosophy of gosh, that's not our role and the you know the city works low and this is what we talked about forever.

875
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:39,130
But I don't understand the idea that current citizens living in current houses have to pay the price for the city not doing their job.

876
01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:47,230
and so I don't see why it is we continue as a board to approve developments when we know darn good and well

877
01:12:47,230 --> 01:12:54,590
other people are going to be negatively impacted and yet we use the idea of growth as the excuse you know what

878
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:57,590
people are already here let's take care of our own first

879
01:12:57,590 --> 01:13:04,690
if speculators want to come in and buy land and build houses someday great for them

880
01:13:04,690 --> 01:13:08,070
But meanwhile, I think we need to protect our citizens first.

881
01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:11,510
Commissioner Smith.

882
01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:12,070
Thank you, Chair.

883
01:13:12,670 --> 01:13:21,130
Steve, is there anything on my motion or anything you would want to add to a motion that would make it better for the citizens who are currently there?

884
01:13:21,230 --> 01:13:25,070
That's purely just an informational question that we can go to vote.

885
01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:31,170
It can be struck down if you bring up a motion or bring up a motion that sounds that'd be more immediately to the situation.

886
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:44,130
I've been told that we can't do that, so a condition would be we wait till the traffic impact study is made for the entire Ryan road before any more construction is done, that would be my motion.

887
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,040
commissioners for not to keep playing tennis ball here.

888
01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:54,200
Legal, can you give just a public statement for

889
01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:57,820
plenary flat, it's approved tonight, moves forward.

890
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:03,420
How much timeline, how much runway do we think we have to be able to get the PIA and before a final approval for this is done?

891
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:10,280
One would final, do we have a schedule done already, final flat?

892
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,800
I'd have Haley addressed the, I think planning we have a better idea of the timeline.

893
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:14,980
The timeline.

894
01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:16,100
The timeline.

895
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:17,000
Yes.

896
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:21,640
There's two years between a preliminary plan, the final plan, before the preliminary would

897
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,260
expire and a new one would be required.

898
01:14:24,820 --> 01:14:28,620
So that would be the potential time frame in which that could be done.

899
01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:32,600
But I will say that the final plan for this is in review with staff currently.

900
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,400
So fairly soon after the gas flow plugging is complete, I expect that that would be ready

901
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,200
to come before the board.

902
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:48,640
do you know I guess the question was talking months weeks? It really depends on the gas

903
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,300
well in the review of their civil plans, but it would most likely be within the next couple

904
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:59,140
of months. Okay. And then up to two years, I mean, I think the state's response now would

905
01:14:59,140 --> 01:14:59,840
So come final.

906
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:08,820
Just to clarify, the TIA would only relate to their project. It wouldn't be for the entire.

907
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:31,150
There's nothing we can add on before we prove. I think it would be difficult for the entire length, considering they are contributing to the impact that they are, what was negotiated part of that agreement. Typically, when you look at a road, it's designed to, obviously, a certain capacity.

908
01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:34,490
capacity, or it can handle certain amount of vehicles per lane.

909
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:39,650
It's kind of like that chicken or the egg type approach of what comes first.

910
01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:43,950
And it starts to, when it starts to, that level of service starts to degrade.

911
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:47,910
That's typically when you'll see those improvements move forward.

912
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:52,790
With this one, it's a little bit more complicated because there is right away that needs to be acquired.

913
01:15:53,770 --> 01:16:00,510
As well as, if I'm not mistaken, there's some quite a bit of utility lines that would probably need to be relocated as well.

914
01:16:00,510 --> 01:16:06,390
So it's it's quite a bit of an undertaking and I'll just add or are we

915
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:13,110
referring to that traffic impact study would would be narrowly for that

916
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:16,090
development only correct that that's all you get out of it.

917
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:21,130
It'd be tough for us to be able to ask for the CIA for an entire road whenever it's

918
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:23,110
a world we're only talking about the preliminary planning for one.

919
01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:42,910
We've got a motion before us and a second for approval with the two conditions as mentioned in back up and see more to any more discussion on my call for a vote on the board.

920
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,860
Motion is going to carry four to one.

921
01:16:56,860 --> 01:17:02,040
and that will move us to our public hearing section this evening,

922
01:17:07,290 --> 01:17:13,350
in the room a minute to clear if people are going to get out.

923
01:17:14,650 --> 01:17:15,650
Go up any project.

924
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:26,190
Thanks for coming out.

925
01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:49,170
This time I'm going to move on to our agenda item 4A. I'm going to open the public hearing for Z17-0025B.

926
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,740
This is the item that's going to be continued. Commissioner Beck.

927
01:17:55,740 --> 01:18:05,340
I move that we move this House to put this forward to the date certain that we were

928
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:13,320
twenty first awesome good job Commissioner Smith I'm we have a motion to

929
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,400
continue to date certain of February the 21st on this item we're going to leave

930
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:22,800
it open so it does not need to be re-noticed and no call for a vote on board

931
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:23,540
That

932
01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:34,100
motion is going to carry 5-0.

933
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:41,600
As announced at the beginning of our meeting, our items 4-B and 4-C, the Woodlands on

934
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,000
McKinney Street have both win with drawn, and we do not have a date certain on those.

935
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:54,120
So that will conclude our public hearings items tonight, and that will move us to our project

936
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,900
matrix and concluding items.

937
01:18:58,230 --> 01:18:58,950
Commissioner Smith.

938
01:18:59,370 --> 01:18:59,850
Thank you, Chair.

939
01:19:00,570 --> 01:19:05,910
Richard, is there any kind of conversation we can have, at least there in work, work session that would be

940
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:11,550
around what power we have as a commission or recommendation we can make the City Council for

941
01:19:12,130 --> 01:19:14,170
Developers to have more neighborhood meetings

942
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:18,510
And what scenarios we can do that we have we have maybe a report from you guys on

943
01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:24,650
What we can do to be able to try to put that make that make that a precedent because I think that oh that's a question

944
01:19:24,650 --> 01:19:26,870
We've been having quite a bit during meetings having

945
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:29,990
I mean, call the applicant up here, we'll talk them real quick.

946
01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:31,430
Have you had a neighborhood meeting?

947
01:19:31,650 --> 01:19:32,670
Yes, you have, no, you haven't.

948
01:19:32,730 --> 01:19:36,190
And it seems like every single time it's been the, yes, there's been a neighborhood meeting.

949
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:39,810
It's just such a much smoother process.

950
01:19:41,010 --> 01:19:41,410
Absolutely.

951
01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:46,890
In fact, we have that as one of the items for the, as part of the code update.

952
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:47,410
Okay.

953
01:19:47,690 --> 01:19:50,690
To sort of formalize that in more, more in the code.

954
01:19:51,190 --> 01:19:56,550
Just to kind of give a for example, if you remember the palladium, I was telling the chair

955
01:19:56,550 --> 01:20:00,870
earlier, we had quite a number of folks here speaking, you know, against that.

956
01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:03,230
Would you say which project that was again, could take me a minute?

957
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:11,910
This was the site on, it had a component of affordable housing that was changing to NRMU,

958
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:16,890
NRMU12, this was loop and point Seattle.

959
01:20:19,050 --> 01:20:25,530
When that item came to council, the applicant actually, the very next day, started revising

960
01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:30,510
their plan went out and met with the neighbors and when we had the public hearing in front

961
01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:35,570
of the city council, the two ladies that were very outspoken, they were the only ones

962
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:40,290
that showed up, sat through five hours of public hearing to get up to speak in support

963
01:20:40,810 --> 01:20:44,890
of the development. Is the first thing, first time I've ever seen that, am I 22 years doing

964
01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:51,050
it, but it goes to your point. It goes a long way. So any time an applicant comes forward,

965
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:53,610
where now we've been advising them,

966
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:56,210
it's really in their best interest to meet with the neighbors.

967
01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:58,870
I don't think Commissioner Strange could probably

968
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:59,690
send a thousand of me here.

969
01:20:59,710 --> 01:21:01,090
I'd hate to be going to the developers

970
01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:02,830
and having to throw up another piece of red tape,

971
01:21:03,090 --> 01:21:06,810
but I don't like adding more bureaucracy to bureaucracy already,

972
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:09,650
but there are sometimes some new rules and regulations

973
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:11,610
can't speed up a process.

974
01:21:11,690 --> 01:21:13,610
You had a rule to be able to speed up a process.

975
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:16,130
So yeah, if we can have an update on it,

976
01:21:16,190 --> 01:21:18,750
or if there's no need for it, then I think it's one

977
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:22,650
One of those, if you know going into it, it's one thing.

978
01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:26,190
You can sort of plan that in your schedule, but if an applicant comes in and

979
01:21:26,190 --> 01:21:30,630
we're through the, and then all of a sudden we bring it on, it's not fair,

980
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:33,690
but we just need to be consistent in how we help.

981
01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:34,750
Sure, thank you.

982
01:21:36,330 --> 01:21:37,010
Anything else?

983
01:21:39,010 --> 01:21:41,610
When is the item that I asked for?

984
01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:45,030
I want to say it's been a few weeks ago, maybe, for Christmas.

985
01:21:45,730 --> 01:21:52,210
that kind of is the same thing we spent a lot of time on tonight talking about whose responsibility it is on all the paintings.

986
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:54,470
Is that going to be next week, or next week, or next week, or next week?

987
01:21:54,510 --> 01:22:02,230
That will be part of the discussion at the next work session with respect to the transportation manual.

988
01:22:02,810 --> 01:22:03,910
Great. I'm looking forward to that.

989
01:22:04,050 --> 01:22:04,810
Thank you for getting that on.

990
01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:05,770
Okay.

991
01:22:06,230 --> 01:22:06,630
Anything else?

992
01:22:06,970 --> 01:22:07,350
Anybody else?

993
01:22:08,110 --> 01:22:08,250
Okay.

994
01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:12,370
With that, I'm going to close us tonight at 7.37.

995
01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:13,750
Thank you, everyone, for coming out.