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Tuesday, August 25th, 2026, Derby City Council meeting. Restart the meeting on the flight with the flight salute led by Council President Ginny Webster and the invocation by Pastor Kim Dickerson-Ord from Whitlow, United Methodist Church. Could everybody please stand?

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One

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nation under our individual liberty and justice for all.

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Gracious and loving God, we gather tonight thankful for your guidance and for the opportunity

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to serve the city.

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We lift up our hearts in a special prayer of comfort for the families and our community who

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are carrying the heavy burden of loss and injury this past week.

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We pray for your peace which passes all understanding, rapidly, your peace around every family whose

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lives that have been forever altered by these tragedies, guard our road crews, our first responders,

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and citizens keeping them safe as they move through our city.

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As this council approaches its work tonight, we pray that you would give them wisdom and

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discernment, let all decisions made reflect a commitment to the peace, safety, and prosperity

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of all of our residents.

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In your holy name, we pray.

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Amen.

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Thank you, Pastor.

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Roll call, please.

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Mr. McEver.

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Mr. McEver.

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Mr. Truitt is absent this evening.

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Mr. Neal.

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Mr. Engel.

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Mayor Stats.

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Mr. Webster.

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Mr. Malt.

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Mr. Ryan.

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Mr. Brown is also absent.

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Mayor that leaves us with a quorum.

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We do have a quorum with six voting members present.

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Thank you.

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Council Member Webster.

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May I make a motion to accept the median agenda as presented?

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I have a motion this second. All in favor say aye.

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Those same sign. Motion carries 6-0.

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It brings us to presentations. This is going to be our 20-26 smoke on the planes.

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Derby barbecue and music fest report.

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And you're over there. Come on up, Andrea.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Mayor Stats, Council Members, and City Manager Mangus.

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Tonight, before I do the presentation on our 15th annual, we are always donate to an

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amazing group at McConnell Air Force Base, the McConnell Air Force Base Military and Family

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Readiness Center.

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We give back to that, and tonight we have Anna Hill here representing the group, and I'm

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going to let her say a little bit about the Family Readiness Program, just to give you a

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a little bit of an overview of what they do.

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You can come on up and then we are gonna present her

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with a check from the city of Derby

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and the Derby Lions Club.

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I have Sean Smith here, the president.

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We're gonna present them with a check

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after you tell us a little bit about it.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you, Andrea.

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And thank you for having us tonight

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and for your generous donations every year.

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I just wanted to share with everyone

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what we have been able to do,

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how we've been able to serve families

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with the money that we get donated

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from smoke on the plains and from the Lions Club.

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So over the last year, we have been able to have over 200 families come

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to our events for deployed family members.

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So we do things like go bowling, we take them to a pumpkin patch.

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We have a Christmas party every year and we get personalized gifts for each one

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of the children and the spouses of those deployed members.

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next month we'll be going to Tanganika and actually Saturday we'll be hosting our family mobility

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line where families can come out and they get to go through the deployment line process just

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like their active duty military member does so we're really excited about that and we serve lunch

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and have just lots of base agencies out. We've also we were able this year to provide school supplies

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is to over 350 families at McConnell Air Force Base.

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Things are expensive right now.

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So we're always really happy to be able to do that.

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And we've been able to give commentary gift cards

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to military families and also our single military members

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who find themselves in an emergency

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and maybe don't have enough money to buy food.

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So we're always happy to make sure that we can do that.

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So again, thank you very much.

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And thank you for letting me share.

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It's just me and Elyan too, but I don't know what I want to do.

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This is Sean Smith, a bit of an audience.

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Hi, Anna Hill, nice to meet you as well.

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Yeah, thank you for being here.

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That's me.

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You're perfect.

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You're perfect.

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You're perfect.

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Let's get it back to you.

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We love each other.

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Okay.

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Everybody see Kelly's lines?

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All

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right, soak on the planes. Derby barbecue music fest. It was our 15th annual and this

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was personally my third that I attended and I will say this was probably by far my favorite

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not that I'm partial or anything. It was held on June 12th and 13th at High Park. You can see the

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crowd. These are all photos from this year, which is pretty fun to see the change over the years.

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On Friday night, we had people's choice tasting event is one of the highlights. We sold over 700

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plus tasting kits. That is 34 teams compete for people's choice favorite pulled pork. It was

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another fantastic we sold out of course again I mean when you sell that many

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tickets in 30 minutes or less it's pretty awesome so we had a huge line again

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playing in with McConnell Air Force Base we have also plugged into them in

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different ways the Air Force Base Sergeant's Association chapter 972

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volunteered and came to the barbecue they actually served up the barbecue which

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this is their second year they've done that for us and it's really great to get

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them involved in everything, so you can see a couple of them in the picture.

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Followed by the People Choice event, we had our main stage, the local nail biders, and

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paramount.

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And you can see in the pictures the turnout that we had, it was huge.

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And it was awesome to see in High Park.

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With the renovations that have now happened in High Park, it was a very lively place anyway.

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But then you throw in everybody that came out to support the barbecue this event, it was

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fantastic.

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They put on a great show.

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We also had the Kansas City Barbecue Society barbecue competition.

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This year we had 39 master series teams, 23 backyard teams competing, 12 kids competed

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on Friday night in kids' queue, 10 different states were represented.

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We had people all over from Alaska and Florida where I think are too farthest.

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We had two new competitions, the Pi Anceleri,

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that was open to the public, and then cookie contests

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that was specifically for children.

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So we had four of those competitors in 11 Pi entries.

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You can also see in the bottom right photo the teams move this year.

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We used the parking lot over by the chip side and the ball fields.

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And it worked out great.

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It was not floodable like last year.

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So it was really good.

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We got great feedback from all the teams about it.

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so probably going to be returning to that space again next year, it was really great and it was

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close enough to the rest of the festivities they were able to come over and participate. So it was

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great. This was a fun guest on Saturday. We had representative Ron Estes came and presented

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a congressional record to us, recognizing our 15th annual and that was really cool. He presented it

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during the award ceremony so all the barbecue teams were there. Really fun and he had a really great

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thing I thought in the middle of his presentation and he said I imagine our

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founding fathers would be pleased to see the patriotism and community pride that

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is taking place here in Derby. So in honor of the 15th annual Smoke on the

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Plains and 250th anniversary for this country it was a pretty cool visit and

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really happy to have him with us. Additional events that happened during the

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barbecue the Smoke in 5K hosted by the DRC they had 234 registered runners on

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Saturday morning and 36

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volunteers. They had toss like a

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boss. That happened on Friday

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evening. Nine teams competed

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and it was a new location at

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High Park. Just outside of

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Zimmerman is a new, I like to call it a little grassy

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knoll and that's where the cornhole

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sat up set up and it was perfect little space for

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them. So it was really cool because the

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sidewalk goes all the way around and people

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could stand around and watch the actual cornhole

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tournaments. It was great. And the first

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pickleball tournament at the new High Park

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Courts, we had 13 teams competing, and it was a very lively place.

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Even after the tournament, if you've not been by High Park, the Pickleball Courts are very, very popular.

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Day and night, they are usually full.

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And then Smoke & Sampler on Saturday evening hosted by the Derby Chamber of Commerce.

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I would say it was successful.

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301 tickets were sold, and 11 different businesses participated, and I do believe they are coming back next year to do it again.

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I think they had fun. Saturday morning, we host Kids Corner. This year it was really awesome

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having the new splash pad and playground added to High Park. It tied in perfectly with the inflatables

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that we brought in, princesses, face painting, Derby Fire Department was there and really did a fantastic

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job interacting with the kids. They got to spray the water hose and just get to meet different firemen.

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they also had their firepuck was there and he got to meet T-Dog from the Wichita Thunder team.

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That mascot came down and had a nice little encounter with the two dogs.

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It was pretty fun.

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And then it was just, it was a great turnout.

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Again, High Park was never quiet the entire weekend. We'll put that.

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Saturday threw us a little bit of curveballs again, as you would say,

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whether in Kansas is always a little bit bumpy.

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We had storms that were forecasted to come in instead of cancelling, which a lot of people

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of course were wanting to know, are you cancelling or are you cancelling.

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Thankfully we had connections.

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You can see in the top left photo is actually our team sitting with Fire Marshall, Jonathan

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Marr and a couple of fire, and we're able to speak with the National Service, National

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Weather Service as well as Sedgwick County Emergency Management.

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And they were advising us on when they thought that the storm was going to hit and all kinds

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of things.

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So instead of canceling, we were able to move up the start time about an hour and a half with Matthew Eberwine on the stage, followed by Jalen Johnston.

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We were able to get a good hour, a little bit hour 10 out of Jalen before the weather hit, and everyone was able to safely get out of the park before we had heavy rains, heavy lightning, heavy all the things.

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So between the two days of June 12th and 13th in High Park, we had 14,000 attendees in

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High Park.

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That's amazing.

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That's a lot of people that came out.

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17 different businesses and sponsors were part of the event.

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We had 30 plus city volunteers that were able to come out and help us.

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And then seven of the council members actually volunteered, which I am very thankful for

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all the golf cart drive in and having a good time at barbecue.

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Here is a showing of some of our, or pretty much, most of our sponsors this year, without

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sponsors coming alongside of us, it's really hard to do it.

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It's not cheap to do a large event like this that's free to the community and public.

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So thankful for our top ones, our Don Hatten Derby, Evergy, Security First, Smile Safari

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and Derby Orthodonics, along with BRG Precision, really big ones that helped us a lot.

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and pulled us off with us, so we're thankful for them.

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We don't talk about our team very often.

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We have added a new member to our team.

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I'm the event organizer, along with the rest of us

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in communications.

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Christy Justin and now Kayla has come along.

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She experienced her first barbecue, and I think survived.

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It did get a little warm for her at times,

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and I think she was a little bit of shock

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of all the things that we actually do.

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But it's pretty amazing that we're able to pull off

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such a large event with our team.

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I'm going to say this year, a big thank you

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to our new Parks Director, Eric Newell.

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He stepped in and immediately asked what our team needed

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and was physically their president,

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making sure that we had all the help we could need

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during the event and I'm very thankful for that.

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It was incredibly nice.

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So that is the barbecue in a nutshell.

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And I am open to any comments or questions that you may have.

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Council member Webster.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you again, Andrew. I am so sad that I missed it. Unfortunately, I had vacation already planned, so unfortunately I did have to miss it this year, but it looks like I missed a great time, which makes me super sad.

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So hopefully, next year, it won't coincide, but we did have some plans. But thank you for all of your efforts and your team's efforts to make this. I heard many stories about it, so yes, you touched a lot of lives.

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and I love that we have 14,000 people in our community

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seeing how great we are and what a fun event we could do

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for free for them. So thank you.

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June 11th and 12th, 2027.

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So you can put it on your calendar.

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Yep. Council member Neal.

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Same thing. Thanks, Andrea. It was awesome.

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I love doing it every year.

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Jenny, thanks for... I was going to ask who's the one.

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So, vacation is...

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You're good.

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Oh, you too?

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Yeah, I guess so.

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So it was it was awesome and yeah, good job. Thank you

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I always want to echo what they said. I mean, the event seems to get better every year. You know, it's hard to, you know, measure that. But, I mean, just the feel of it. And I think keeping it fresh, changing things every year. I like the way you guys reacted to the weather this year, because it was a little dicey. And, you know, and it, it show went on. And it was, it was great. But the Friday night, I could not believe the amount of people out there. It was just, and they were all having fun.

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And you know, it's my heart to walk around and just see people having fun in the community coming together and people from outside our community coming together with us.

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So thank you and the team for everybody's hard work.

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And I know you're probably already planning next year's.

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So thank you very much.

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We got one more light council member.

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Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

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So yeah, I would just say excellent job.

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I heard a lot of good feedback for it.

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I was not able to attend either.

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It's the same week in his valley on the park and a bit as a dance daughter that knows that that's that's a bigger priority

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So anyway great job. I entered to you in the whole team.

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Thank you

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Next we have public form and announcements. We've been we send up for public form

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Okay, anybody from the bench have anything

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Councilmember mole. Thank you, miss mayor. So

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Just third third day was awesome this past week

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So just wanted to say the buzz there was just amazing the energy was really awesome

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and we were a little late getting there,

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but it was just really fun, a great atmosphere.

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The second thing is more for my peers.

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The police chief has an offer out for some presentations

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around our flock system.

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I know all of us have been getting messages and calls

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and emails about that.

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I would strongly encourage all of us

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to take that hour of time.

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It's very enlightening because 99.999%

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of the stuff you read online and you see online

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is not true, and so I think it was very eye-opening for me and a great opportunity, especially since next session we have them presenting on it, so I would just say to the tens of tens watching, please come next next meeting so you can hear that presentation as well.

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Thank you, and the team that put together the Barbecue Festival, let's leave you in right now. They do their Thursdays as well, so they stay busy year round, so thank you guys and enjoy your evening. Council member Neal.

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Yeah, just real quick Derby Knight lights is this Thursday, which is a pretty cool event at Panther Stadium for all fall sports and then some junior sports.

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It's pretty cool. I think it starts about five o'clock and ends with the high school like scrimmaging themselves and probably wraps up about nine.

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So Derby Knight lights this Thursday at Panther Stadium.

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Okay.

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Anybody else on the bench? Staff, do you have anything?

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No, sir. Okay, that brings us to the consent agenda. Does anyone from the bench have any

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items to wish to remove from consent or which thing you to abstain from?

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Seeing none, Mr. Mangus. Thank you, Mayor. Council, three items on consent agenda tonight.

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First item is consideration of the minutes from our August 11th, 2026 meeting. Second item

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is assessment ordinance for nuisance evapment. This is actually on. We've had one person pay,

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So it's on 25 properties in the amount of $11,820.

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Third item is to appoint city manager Kyle Mangus as the voting delegate to the League of Candice municipalities meeting October 8th through 10th in Wichita.

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That is your consent agenda.

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Council Member left, sir.

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Mayor, I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.

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We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye.

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Opposed? Same sign. Motion carries 6-0. That brings us to a new business. First item, please.

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Our first item this evening is 2027 Budget Revenue Neutral Rate Hearing.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm Megan Pader, your finance director.

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In connection with tonight's budget presentation, there are two hearings that are required per state statute.

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The first one I'm going to present is the Revenue Neutral Rate, and then after that

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Kyle will present the budget, and there's also a public hearing associated with that.

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Okay, so Revenue Neutral Rate was passed in 2021, it's called the Truth in Taxation

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Law, and this statute requires us to hold a public hearing in order to exceed the Revenue

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Neutral Rate for property tax dollars.

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So the Revenue Neutral Rate is the tax rate in mills that would generate the same property

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tax revenue in dollars as our budget last year. So in 2026 budget, the property tax was

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16,311,326 dollars. So in order to exceed that by a dollar, we have to hold the public

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hearing for R&R and then also it calls for a role call vote from council.

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So to calculate R&R, the county takes last year's property tax in dollars and divides

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it by this year's total assess valuation, which we received the estimated assess valuation

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around June 15th of each year. Our valuation did increase by just over 6% this year, which

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then causes the Revenue and Chul Rate Mill levy to be lower than what we assessed last year.

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So following this public hearing for R&R, the Council will then consider a budget that

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exceeds the R&R.

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So part of the reason that it exceeds the R&R is because R&R doesn't take into account

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and cost increases that the city incurs for utilities, pay raises for their employees,

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contract costs, or software costs go up.

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We also have new items that we're proposing for the 2027 budget year and we have several

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positions which Kyle will discuss in more detail later, but that does include PD, fire

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utilities and IT and then we have long-term projects, new software or software

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increases, equipment purchases, but Derby is growing and we do have

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infrastructure needs coming up along with maintenance on existing infrastructure

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and those do require additional costs and we see the same inflation as

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everyone else.

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So this chart shows in the green is the Mill Levy that was actually

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assessed each year. It has gone down since 2021, and then the R&R is the calculated mill

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levy that the county does based on our property taxes from the prior year. So you can see

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we did exceed R&R every year, but with our growth and inflation it's hard not to. It's

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also very uncommon for cities to hold our or stay below R&R because they just can't give

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any pay increases or software increases, anything like that.

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So we have a very specific process, we have to follow for R&R and there are several dates

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you have to meet in different requirements.

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The first one is to notify the county clerk that you intend to exceed R&R by July 20th.

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So in prior to that, in July we bring the manager's recommended budget to council and at that time

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is when you vote whether we're going to propose exceeding or not.

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So we did submit that prior to July 20th to the county, and then we have to place notices

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in the newspaper and on our website at least 10 days prior to this hearing tonight.

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You can hold your public hearing for R&R between August 20th and September 20th, which

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is what this is, and then tonight you will adopt or consider adopting the resolution to exceed

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R&R with a roll call vote, and then after that closes, then you'll have the budget presentation

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and hold that hearing and then finance staff by October 1st has to certify the budget

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to the county clerk who then forwards the information to the state.

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Okay, the public hearing for R&R is a little bit different than most public hearings and

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so mayor will open the public hearing.

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We will hear citizens, anybody that signed up to talk, council discussion, then you will

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hold the roll call vote and then close the hearing so that's a little bit different than

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normal.

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And with that, I would stand for any questions.

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Councillor Bauer-Neil.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Could you go back to the slide that had the graph on it?

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I just want to see so the, so what you're saying is our mill last year was the 42.416.

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No, the 42.416 is what we would have to levy in order to meet our and our thinking.

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Okay, so it's just about two mills and one mill right now is equal to about

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380. Yeah, 380. 385. 382. 384. 385, yeah. Okay, that's all. Thank you.

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Anybody else from the bench have any questions? Comments before I open up

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the public hearing? Seeing none at this time I am going to officially open up

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the public hearing for the revenue neutral rate piece of this. We do have two

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people that are signed up at this time. I'm going to come up to the podium here. You've

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got five minutes to speak. Kim, Neff, please come up.

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So if you would state your name

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for the record and your address, please.

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Kimberly Neff, 424 South, Georgie Avenue and Derby. I'm here in regards to my property

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taxes. I own two homes in the Derby area, one of which went up 12% and I'm okay with

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that. The other one went up 62% my you know Derby taxes for the the city of Derby and

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the school and I mean 62% is a huge jump. I don't understand how they come up with this

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other than they say my house is now worth $69,000 more than it was last year which I live in

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the South Partiturbia. It's not a new addition. It's the original part of Derby. So I'm very

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concerned about this. I'm also on a fixed income. I'm retired. I don't, you know, that's

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more than double. I don't understand. And I appealed it. And they're like, well, I'm

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sorry, but all the other houses in your area are selling for that. I don't believe that

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to be true, but they take two or three, look at it and say, oh, everybody on this

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area is a zap. I don't know if there's anything you can do to help, but I just

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think it's ridiculous.

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Thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Okay, Miller.

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Thank you for coming. You have five minutes to meet your name and your address, please.

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Okay, Miller 925 Mockingbird Lane Derby, Kansas, been here for almost 40 years, and we have a house, we have a couple of few rental houses, and the, you know, people think that just because you have rentals, you have a lot of money, but there's a lot of expenses involved with them, and the taxes on them, the two of them went up 8%.

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but you can't raise the rent, you can't raise the rent 8%, so there's just little, you know,

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I learned my whole life that we have to live in a budget.

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And I believe the Constitution really said we weren't supposed to have to pay taxes

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and that people were supposed to work together to make the community work.

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And now we're at a point where we're being abused in taxes.

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And it just doesn't make sense to me.

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we're getting into, I don't know, it seems almost like communist socialism where we have to

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take care of people and entertain them and I know the fun stuff we do is great. I work

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so I don't get a chance to do much of it. But I think budget is the key issue and this

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actually works with budget and revenue neutral rate. I mean they work together. If we don't

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live in a budget then we can't keep the taxes low and the taxes are supposed to be, that's

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supposed to be the effort of government is to keep taxes low for its citizens.

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And we don't get raises, you know, at the job I work, I don't get a raise every year.

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I don't get a raise in five years, many times.

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I taught for 22 years in Kansas and two years somewhere else.

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I worked for five years without a raise, but government keeps raising taxes.

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So it just doesn't make sense. It's wrong. It's actually, I think it's morally wrong.

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And there's a lot of people in the community that are concerned about it.

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And also, when it comes to the property taxes, I think ours are probably quadrupled

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over the 30 plus years we've lived in our home. And yet, the first 15 to 18 years,

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they didn't raise that much, something happened, something happened after what, 2010, 2012, I don't know what it was, but then they jumped, they jumped, I mean the property values jumped, so our taxes jumped, and schools don't live on a budget, part of our property taxes go to schools, I mean being retired, our kids are raised, and you know, a lot of people complain that retired people have to pay for that, but I don't, I don't really mind.

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And except I feel like the schools are not held accountable for what they spend.

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And so they think that we're just a pool of money that they can pull from anytime they

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want to have some extra little project.

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And as a teacher I learned a long time ago that we started public education for academic

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subjects.

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I lived in France ten years.

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They focus on academic subjects in their schools.

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They don't give me wrong, but they don't have music, except for just general music education.

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Just enough for people to have music appreciation and know that they want to go to a school,

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to a special school for music, to learn music.

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They have sports clubs. They don't have sports in school. And then, you know, I disagree with sex education in school. I feel like that if you look at the statistics, there's more illicit childbirth under 18 years old, since we started sex education then afterwards. But yet we have to pay for it. And there's a whole list of other things I could mention. School should be held accountable. The administration is super top heavy.

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and that's, oh, I got another minute, so I don't know how we get there. I don't know how we get

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school to lower their budget and cut out some of the programs that they don't need. I mean,

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there's clubs in the schools that a lot of people don't even agree with. And, you know, there's things

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that are good like the ROTC and things like that that are wholesome and great activities, but there's

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And also things, I guess I'll say it, I'm not judging, so don't think I am, but the

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transgender thing in the yearbook was a travesty.

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I mean, yet there's conservative groups that weren't even in the yearbook.

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And yet taxpayers are paying for that.

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And those are just examples, though.

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I mean, there's probably a whole list of others of how taxpayer money is spent without even

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Any regard to the common beliefs of anyone or what is morally wholesome and good?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Miss Miller.

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Anybody else from the public have out here to stand when I come up and speak speak now

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We're going to keep this open for a few minutes

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Right now. Does there anybody from the bench that has any thing they want to say?

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Staff

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I'll just say with R&R obviously that we had the

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Truth and Taxation Bill like our finance director Megan said came to effect in 2021

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Before that we had the tax lid that was put into place in 2015 or 16

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R&R replaced the tax lid

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R&R

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We've talked about this a lot during our budget process last few years

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It we've always and and this year's a great example because one of the things council Marineville since you've been on

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We've always talked about R&R plus some sort of inflation factor

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the fallacy in R&R is just that, you know, the cost to pay the road in 2020 versus now,

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thanks to COVID, has gone up 60%. You know, costs have gone up, but R&R doesn't take that

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new account. It's a flat number. So this year, with 6% valuation, if everybody paid their taxes,

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we would get to keep 6%, but one and a half to 2%, probably closer to two,

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Delinquent taxes, so really we capture about 4%, which inflation was around 4% over the

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last 12 months, so we're right in the ballpark of where the goal we had kind of talked

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about prior with some sort of R&R plus inflation, and really what's helping us with that

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is our Derby Different sales tax.

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I mean, and that was kind of what we told people when we did Derby Difference was some of

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those property tax items would move over to the sales tax side, on our public safety equipment,

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on our street maintenance on some of our parks. That way it's off the property tax side so

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there's some inherent what I feel are some inherent flaws with R&R they've been talking about

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it at the state level and we'll continue to have those conversations with them but that is part

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of the challenge that we all face you know and you all face in the budget decision making process

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is crafting that at a at a dollar level. I always use the thousand dollar example of a thousand

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$1,000 last year, you got to do $1,000 this year, and so that's really the challenge

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with R&R.

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Council member Engel?

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Yeah, echo a bit of that and I'll do my annual complaining about the R&R formula.

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That yeah, doesn't account for any level of inflation, which of course, as a city we experience,

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but it's about two-thirds of our budget is staffing.

440
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Yeah, you'll see in our, probably about 70% of our general fund.

441
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:12,140
Yeah.

442
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:12,200
Yeah.

443
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,580
Yeah.

444
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:16,980
So that's always challenged because our police officers and our firefighters and our

445
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:19,840
parts of the department, and everybody deserves to get there.

446
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,980
They're bumped to offset the inflation they experienced in their own homes.

447
00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:28,860
Of course, I also think that there's a level of inflation that we experience as a municipality

448
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:34,180
that is different from your regular household inflation because things like road work, paving,

449
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,480
have increased at a much higher rate than groceries have.

450
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:40,900
So that continues to be a challenge as well.

451
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:45,360
and so I'll make my annual comment to you that I mean I think we've left a

452
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,480
lot of fat off of the budget we're paying for things we have to pay for it's

453
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,820
people it's infrastructure and unfortunately that does cost more but yeah

454
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:58,200
the formula itself not accounting for inflation and not accounting for any

455
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,660
new property that's been annexed into the city by request of the property owners

456
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:07,120
or new commercial development so all that sort of stuff doesn't get included in

457
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:13,760
R&R formula either. So this gets to be really confusing in muddy process where we're trying

458
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,960
to explain what the numbers are like. If we want to go one penny over last year's budget

459
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,100
then we're breaking R&R, which is a challenge. So yeah, it's not a perfect system. I'm sure

460
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:29,500
there will be a lot of discussion in the next legislative session about what the property

461
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:37,080
tax animal really looks like and how we can adapt and change and improve and hopefully

462
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,180
those are very productive conversations between all the municipalities across the state

463
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:46,220
and our legislature and Topeka. But for now, yeah, I mean I think I think it's worth saying

464
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:49,140
to the public we do kind of work backwards, right? What are the things that we know that

465
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:53,080
we have to pay for in the next year? What are those things going to cost and what is the

466
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,860
minimum amount that we can bring in via taxes, whether that's Derby different sales tax

467
00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:07,160
or add Vlorum taxes or whatever other fees and stuff we plan to have in the budget so that we can just cover the expenses of all these things that the community has said that they want to happen.

468
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,780
So that's my annual die drive. Thank you for your time.

469
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Council Member Webster.

470
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:23,140
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Kyle, for your feedback on that and showing how this has changed and this has not been something that we can control.

471
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:28,080
I wouldn't 100% don't like to pay taxes either and I don't like when I get my assessment either and that it's

472
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,700
over or more expensive than what it's been and I also own rental properties and that's a pain also, so I have that same of

473
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,020
some of our citizens. Megan, can you tell me, do you know how many

474
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,820
people go over revenue neutral?

475
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:52,640
I don't know exactly how many, no, definitely the majority, there's usually only a couple

476
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,660
that maintain it.

477
00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:58,180
If I'm not mistaken, those are the ones that aren't growing, don't have vibrant things

478
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:03,320
going on in their community, maybe not paved roads sometimes either.

479
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:09,380
Actually, I think several of the, and you can see in the R&R notice from Sedgwick County,

480
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,800
which ones don't go over R&R, because you have things like townships, you know,

481
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,080
know our cemetery went over R&R that's on some cities property that's the

482
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,020
cemetery that's a levying association. I just had an area managers meeting

483
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:31,080
earlier this week which which is most of the cities in South Central Kansas and

484
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,800
every one of them is exceeding R&R. The few cities I've seen in the past I

485
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:42,100
know Salina in the past one or two once or twice since 2021 has remained at the

486
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:48,480
revenue neutral rate. They have a 2% sales tax. So we have a 1% sales tax. So part of that

487
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,500
comes down to really a not an expenditure problem. It's a revenue problem. Where are you

488
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,980
pulling revenues from? They're pulling them from sales tax. They have a 2% sales tax.

489
00:37:58,220 --> 00:38:05,100
We have a 1%. So I think they were able to do that before. But in some ways, those cities

490
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:09,160
that are what I would call dying, which is, which is a lot of Kansas. There's a lot

491
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,740
cities are experiencing growth. I'll use the example I had a conversation with

492
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:18,720
the city manager of Neo2Shay who was having some issues with something going on

493
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,740
there. The value of a mill in Neo2Shay Kansas is $8,000. You know, the value of the

494
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:27,900
mill in Derby's $380,000. So if they want to hire a police officer in Neo2Shay

495
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,980
they're gonna have to raise the mill of you about 10 or 11 mills, you know,

496
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:35,140
beyond the revenue neutral rate just to pay for a police officer. So some of

497
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:39,380
Those towns just don't have the commercial base to help offset some of that cost.

498
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,560
So it's really a challenge for them to remain at revenue control because they don't really have a base.

499
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,560
And that's partially why they struggle with that.

500
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:47,680
Thank you.

501
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:52,820
And I know that we have done our due diligence in trying to lower the millivie every time on our side.

502
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,020
It doesn't look like a lot just because of everything that all goes into account.

503
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:58,520
But we don't have control over those.

504
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,940
We only have control over what we do as a city.

505
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:14,600
So I'm going to go ahead and make a recommendation to adopt a resolution of the city of Derby Kansas to love the property tax exceeding the revenue neutral rate for the 2027 proposed budget.

506
00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:20,520
Just to clarify, that's a motion, Ms. Webster.

507
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,320
Yes, that is a motion.

508
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Let me have a motion in a second.

509
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:32,680
I'm managing the public hearing soup, and so if somebody has a handker in to come up

510
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,300
here, Mr. Albert.

511
00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:35,540
Come on up.

512
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:36,340
You have five minutes.

513
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,120
So your name?

514
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:39,020
About 30%.

515
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:39,420
Okay.

516
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,260
They went up way too much, just like everybody said.

517
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,920
But I do have one question, and I think the city itself could help state your name in

518
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,080
here.

519
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:54,000
My name is Chris Albert.

520
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:55,280
That's CRIS.

521
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,200
No H in it.

522
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:03,380
Okay. Only four letters. I live on a place down south here at one of the old new residents.

523
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:11,640
We need your, she needs to address for the record. A1A, Cedarbrook, Derby Kansas, 67037.

524
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:19,960
Okay. You're moved to Derby and well, it was a 96. Yeah. It's a good town, good town.

525
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:25,160
But I think there's something that you could do as a leadership team that would help you.

526
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,260
And that's it. In business, you have to show what you're doing to cut costs, okay?

527
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:34,880
And what you're doing for improvements, and how you're getting out of more people.

528
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:40,020
And you know, in your forced every year or every two or three years that you've got to cut

529
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:46,860
some costs. And they want to see what those things are. So we go do things like zero-based costs,

530
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,940
you know, on that's where it is. And you make improvements. And you show what it's saved.

531
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:57,100
But I've never seen anything on the backside of one of these pages that says, here's what

532
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,400
we did to improve things.

533
00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:01,360
Sure, we want to add police officers, for example.

534
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,080
I think it's great we have a good police force, but did we get better?

535
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:09,780
I mean, did we get better when we bought new computers?

536
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Did we become more efficient?

537
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:15,400
Instead of having eight people doing things, did we get to seven?

538
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:19,480
You know, should we expect to get to seven if we spend the money for improvements?

539
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:27,020
that's all I got to say. I think we could do ourselves better by showing people what

540
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:33,840
we do to get improvements versus saying that's just why it's got to be anyway. That's all

541
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,620
I got. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Albert. Council Member Webster.

542
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:42,920
Thank you, Mr. Abbot, for those comments. I 100% agree. I think that we try our hardest,

543
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:48,320
but not everybody wants to tune into every city council meeting to watch what we discuss.

544
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:55,200
And we do have budget hearings and budget meetings that the citizens are more than welcome to come to to be able to be in that discussion for us.

545
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,600
So I would encourage you and along with anybody else that you hear to come to some of those because you do.

546
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:09,020
You will literally see us go back and forth and make some tough decisions on some things and not just most people say rubber stamp.

547
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:12,360
We don't rubber stamp anything. It is very much a thought.

548
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,480
they work extremely hard, making it in her team to come to put up for a budget

549
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,540
in that aspect, but we also share what we've had to cut or not being able to

550
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:28,560
do in that, and I would love to, but I believe that is a paper that we don't get

551
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,520
to send out. That is told by us that we have to send that out. We get to pay for

552
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,960
the poster, I believe, for those to go out also in my correct file.

553
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,020
Okay, I can't have you speaking from back there.

554
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,660
No.

555
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:47,240
Well, let's just not get into an argument right here.

556
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,620
Yeah, no, I'm not trying to argue.

557
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,580
I just want you to know that that is mandated

558
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:52,980
and how that is put out is what we have to put out.

559
00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:55,220
We can't add anything or do anything else.

560
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,780
I just want you to understand our side of it.

561
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,800
Now, maybe we add something, that's a question for Jackie.

562
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,480
If we can add an additional paper with that

563
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,060
or if it has to be just that.

564
00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:06,420
But I know that that is not an art control.

565
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,160
Yeah, we don't manage the mailing of those those are put out by the it is a state mandated form

566
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,980
It's mailed by the county treasurer or the county clerk's office, and so we don't have any control over that

567
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:24,060
that particular mailing the R&R notice but you know

568
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:31,710
I think you know other maillains that we do internally in the city obviously we have more control over I

569
00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:37,130
I would just add the, I would encourage Mr. Albert and like I appreciate all the speakers

570
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:41,470
that came out getting people to engage in the budget process is hard to do.

571
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:46,870
We don't get a lot of people that come up and engage and it's confusing between valuations

572
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:52,510
and appraisals, you know, which is done by the county and the state versus what we levies

573
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:57,510
taxes at the local level but from a performance-based perspective I would encourage you to check

574
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:58,370
out the budget book.

575
00:43:58,370 --> 00:44:04,790
We have performance measures in our budget book. We're required by the Kansas GFOA Government Finance Office Association.

576
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:13,050
We put those performance measures in there. We also do annual reports where we present, you know, on things that have been accomplished throughout the years.

577
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:24,050
So we do do performance measures that we track and take care of and, you know, and we can always do better and get information out of the people, but getting people to engage with that, I think is important.

578
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:29,630
The budget book is several hundred pages, so it's a fun read if you get the opportunity,

579
00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:33,090
but it does have a lot of good information in there.

580
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:35,930
Council Member Moulton.

581
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:36,830
Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

582
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:40,810
Just one thing I would just like to add, and I think Kyle kind of hit it on through the

583
00:44:40,810 --> 00:44:45,670
year, we have presentations especially early in the year from police, fire, and a lot of

584
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:47,670
those metrics that folks will be looking for.

585
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:51,290
It's an opportunity to understand some of the good things that some of that money is going

586
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:51,930
towards as well.

587
00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:59,990
So we love having people in the audience so come to our meetings and watch them online and see the information is put out there because a lot of that

588
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:14,900
That information is sprinkled through the entire year as well, so just wanted to plant that seat as well. Come get involved with this and come to our meetings and watch some of that stuff because you'll get some of those nuggets as well that will help feed some of that information you're looking for. But I do appreciate feedback from others too.

589
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,280
And when

590
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:23,240
you're time, technically, give me, we're going to hear of you still open.

591
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,380
I might be able to exercise some grace here in just a second, okay, we'll see here.

592
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:32,820
And I don't want to just get into back and forth because that's, but Mr. Mold just said,

593
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,000
I think everybody who's ever sat up here on the city council will tell you one thing.

594
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:39,580
You know, you come up here with an ideology.

595
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,340
I'm very physically conservative.

596
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:46,280
And I think once you sit here and you live it, especially once you live a second

597
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:56,660
cycle, third cycle. And you start to see how the budget starts working. I mean, as we move into next, the next meeting, I mean, even though we're going to 20's, 27,

598
00:45:57,860 --> 00:46:06,120
their city staff started looking at 2028. They'll start working on the budget of 2028, probably December and January, this coming up right now.

599
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,300
So they're thinking that far out and as Mr. Moults said as a city, you know council

600
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:16,860
We're getting information. It's trickled throughout the year to your point. I agree with you 100 percent

601
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:23,860
I mean if you're running a business sometimes you have to cut things and how does that look and you know

602
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:26,980
And I as a fiscal conservative to me. It's like okay

603
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:33,380
We have to do the taxes. We have a government to run and it's the fluff. It's the programs. I think you alluded to

604
00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:34,300
It's those things.

605
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:38,600
Now, luckily in Derby, we really, the closest we might have to program is the senior center.

606
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,180
That's it.

607
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:41,080
We don't do programming here.

608
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,260
We are the nuts and bolts of government.

609
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,520
I mean, police fire, public safety is a big chunk of it.

610
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:50,460
Our public works department, sewer and water.

611
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,340
You want those to work when you wake up in the morning for sure.

612
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:57,020
You know, while you've slept, you've had the police, you've had police and fire protection,

613
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,460
then you leave your house, you've got roads and sidewalks.

614
00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:04,980
And so there's a lot of things that touch our lives day to day that nobody thinks about

615
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:09,980
until you have a pothole in front of your house, your sewer backs up, your water's not

616
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:13,760
working properly, or you are a victim of a crime.

617
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Our God forbid your house catches on fire.

618
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:21,060
And so, you know, those are a lot of things that happen in government that, you know, we

619
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,720
get the data trickled to us throughout the year.

620
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:26,080
Sometimes we get it all at once.

621
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:33,140
the budget process for us, and these are very public things, started in May of two workshops.

622
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,500
In fact, you know, we do two workshops on this, and it's, it is, that somebody set up here,

623
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:45,880
a lot of bantering, I'll use that word to be nice of what we want, because we all have different

624
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,760
value structures, which makes the city council great. And, you know, the city staff come in,

625
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,880
And I'll be honest, I've been around a while, and this was probably the lightest, it's

626
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,540
called the Supplements.

627
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,320
They say, the directors in the city is their wish list.

628
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,720
These are the things we want.

629
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:08,980
And I think they know things are tight, so they definitely tamped it down, but still there

630
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:09,480
was some nose.

631
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,020
Council, same manager meets with every council member individually.

632
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:13,820
What did you like?

633
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:15,940
And a lot of times everybody's on the same page.

634
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,020
So there were some nose, you're not going to hear about those tonight.

635
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:34,560
You're just going to hear about what the budget is, and that's a whole different item after this, and I would encourage you to stick around and watch the budget after this, because with that budget, you know, you're going to see how we compared other cities, and it's very favorable.

636
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:41,960
Everybody thinks Derby has high taxes, and you know, I hate paying taxes. I hate seeing my valuation go up every year.

637
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:51,130
I can't have, sorry, I don't agree with you, but I need people out in the audience here

638
00:48:51,130 --> 00:48:55,250
to, you know, maintain until we get going here because I don't want to lose control.

639
00:48:56,690 --> 00:49:02,330
But nobody wants to pay taxes, I mean, and I, you know, so we all want to make sure

640
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:06,390
that we're doing a good job into your point, though, and I was going to be able to address

641
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:10,130
that, Miss Neff, is, you know, the appraisal process.

642
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:12,250
I think that's a frustration for a lot of people.

643
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:18,550
I know it's a frustration for, I think everybody up here, probably for city staff, I know it's a frustration for commission or how?

644
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:25,230
It's a frustration for a lot of people because it's a state appraisal process and I might screw this up so I may need a correction.

645
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:35,450
The state does the appraisal, the county kind of runs the off. It's a weird dynamic and we are stuck with an arbitrary number and you do have that right to appeal and

646
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:42,230
And sometimes you know you win and sometimes you don't and you know and I wish there was a I don't know if there's an appeal to the appeal

647
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:46,110
I don't know I don't know if you can take a district court. I'm not sure

648
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:54,490
But sometimes it just beats beats the Dickens out of you. You don't want to you know go through all that and I can totally relate to that and so

649
00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:58,190
You know as a city we try to take all of that in consideration

650
00:49:58,190 --> 00:50:04,030
We've and I said this last year. I probably said it two years ago. I get it sometimes a lot of this is we're dropping the mill

651
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:08,450
point two five percent last year or point two five mills or other last year we dropped

652
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:12,210
at a half mill so we're dropping the mill but yet we are pulling more taxes because

653
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:16,750
valuations and we do have more growth that helps us as well and sometimes that could

654
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:22,870
be a little bit smoking mirrors my bill's gone up not tremendously but it has gone up and

655
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:29,450
I think all we can ask the citizens is okay are they spending our money wisely because I hate

656
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:35,030
When people can pair city to the federal government because we're not the federal government

657
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:40,390
We are spitting your dollars as wisely. I mean and I the city manager mentioned

658
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:45,750
Budget book is one sitting right out there. It's online. I would encourage anybody just to start going through it and looking

659
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:49,250
You know and finding things that maybe you know you don't say true

660
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:58,410
Right, well, and I get that but we still have a city to operate and and so that's I can't be getting in this argument right here

661
00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:00,410
Ma'am, this is against protocol right now.

662
00:51:01,690 --> 00:51:03,630
I am leaving the public hearing open.

663
00:51:06,310 --> 00:51:09,230
Mr. Albert, if you wanted to finish your time, you're more welcome to come up here.

664
00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:13,090
But I cannot be interacted with people from the audience here.

665
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:16,190
Ma'am, if you want to come back up front, I'll let you come back up front.

666
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:21,200
Mayor, I know you touched on this.

667
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,160
Kyle still has to present the actual budget, so we will have that and there will be a public hearing during that as well.

668
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:26,480
Right.

669
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:27,660
People want to talk to it.

670
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:32,880
So, Mr. Alba, if you had to finish, you left here for about 45 seconds, so I will give you that a little bit here.

671
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:34,140
I'll try to keep it to 15.

672
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:47,620
Okay, I still think and you missed part of what I was trying to say is that you can communicate things to the general public for the good things

673
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:53,320
that you do and the reductions that you get and it doesn't have to be everything specific, every little thing,

674
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,420
But do some of that so people see it because it's not the type of thing that's typically shared

675
00:51:58,420 --> 00:52:01,580
That's that's half of what I was trying to say

676
00:52:02,340 --> 00:52:05,200
Okay, is share it so people see it

677
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,280
And maybe we need to do a better job of that so and find a way to do it where it doesn't cost you a lot

678
00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:14,760
Well, I appreciate that and I think you know, I think transparency

679
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,660
I've had a conversation with somebody today about transparency and I think that that's all we can try to be and you know

680
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:27,140
So sometimes we could agree to disagree on maybe one dollar should be spent, but that's

681
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:27,340
life.

682
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,460
I jokingly say you can't get a husband and wife to agree on where to have dinner sometimes.

683
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,640
That's how simple life is.

684
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:39,760
So I appreciate your feedback, you know, and it is important to us as a city to listen to

685
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,080
people.

686
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,740
We are going to, after this item, we're going to go into the budget if you want to sit

687
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:46,740
out here and something, you know, we're going to have, open up another hearing just like

688
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:47,180
this one.

689
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,340
So you would have another five minutes if you wanted to come out.

690
00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:51,060
I don't even want all my time for this one.

691
00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:57,340
Okay, but if you heard what it was I was trying to say is share it, communicate it, let people see it.

692
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:05,440
You do good things, but once in a while it's good to be able to say, yeah, we did this, and this did, this did allow us to be, this more efficient with something.

693
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,500
That's all I'm trying to say.

694
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:07,540
Absolutely. Thank you, sir.

695
00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:08,800
Thank you.

696
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,180
Okay.

697
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:12,600
Anybody else in the public want to come up?

698
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Alrighty, we do have a motion.

699
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,120
We have a second, a roll call vote please.

700
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:20,700
Mr. McKeever.

701
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:21,800
Aye.

702
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,780
Mr. Niel.

703
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:25,380
Aye.

704
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,440
Mr. Engel.

705
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:27,920
Aye.

706
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:29,840
Ms. Webster.

707
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:30,640
Aye.

708
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,300
Mr. Molt.

709
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,100
Aye.

710
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,320
And Ms. Reijn.

711
00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:35,780
Aye.

712
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,580
May we do have a vote of 6-0?

713
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,740
Do I vote on this?

714
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:44,880
According to my note I just got.

715
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:45,080
No.

716
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:45,960
Okay.

717
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,600
I didn't think so.

718
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,520
I just need to close the public hearing.

719
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:54,060
Motion carries 6-0.

720
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:55,180
Next item, please.

721
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,920
I need you to close the public hearing.

722
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:57,180
Please.

723
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,000
At this time, I am closing the public hearing on revenue neutral.

724
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,000
Next item, please.

725
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:08,880
I'm sorry.

726
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:15,240
The next item is the 2027 budget and 2027 through 31 capital improvement plan.

727
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,820
So for this one, I'll go through this presentation.

728
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:22,960
take a little longer than R&R and then this is more traditional.

729
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:28,560
I think they wrote the R&R legislation a little awkwardly. Traditionally, you open a public hearing.

730
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:31,740
You have comment, you close a public hearing and then you vote.

731
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:36,600
So that's what we'll do with the budget. It's more of a traditional public hearing than the R&R process.

732
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,040
But you know, what is our budget?

733
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,200
So we talk about this a lot. It's policy documents and guidance tool.

734
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:55,260
It's our plan. How do we provide those services to our residents? How do we provide a framework for how we allocate our resources to make sure Derby continues to be a community of excellence, right?

735
00:54:55,700 --> 00:55:12,080
And so the budget each year and really for the last several years really invests an infrastructure people and equipment necessary to meet the needs of our community. Derby's 26,000 people in change now. Within that, we are a big small town.

736
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,100
We are an organization now of 237 full-time, 53-part-time positions.

737
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:20,460
That includes the library. The library is a subsidiary of us.

738
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,040
You know, they have a mill, a mill levy that is associated with that.

739
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:28,060
So that includes their part-time staff.

740
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,800
So our total budget, we'll talk a lot about 2026R and 2027 budget.

741
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:38,680
So the 2026R is our 26 revised budget.

742
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:41,120
So that's our current year budget we're in right now.

743
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,960
and then the 2027 budget we are a calendar year budget so you talk a little bit

744
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,640
different with school districts there you know July 1 to June 30 we're Jan 1

745
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,280
to December 31 so we're on a calendar year so we'll talk about both of those

746
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,420
and you'll kind of see how money flows between a revised budget and in our

747
00:56:02,420 --> 00:56:06,720
next year's budget and really in the last few years our revised budget to our

748
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:12,740
next year budget has fluctuated greatly thanks mostly due to our large capital improvement projects.

749
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:19,040
So wastewater water projects, that's what's caused a lot of fluctuation. So you can see our

750
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:25,940
2027 budget is about $30 million less than our 26 revised budget, what we're in this current year.

751
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:30,640
And you're like, how are you saving $30 million? Well, that's just how we're the money's allocated

752
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,920
timing-wise. So that has to do with wastewater treatment plant phase one. We've started construction.

753
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:43,500
DeKarski Park Phase 2 nearly done. Water treatment plant Phase 1. So those major capital projects

754
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:48,820
cost a lot of money and from an accounting perspective they're put in the year where you have

755
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:53,980
to spend that money. So our 27 budget total budget of 94 million that is include cash reserves

756
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:59,620
and transfers or bond proceeds. That's about 30 million less than our 27 budget because of those

757
00:56:59,620 --> 00:57:04,880
capital projects. So that's associated with the middle-ever rate that Megan, our finance director

758
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,800
on our 44.359 mills. That's about 0.637 mills lower than our 26 budget.

759
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:19,180
So when we talked about this in July at the manager's wreck, each year since I've been city manager,

760
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:22,800
we've had some accounting errors we've found, or some slight tweaks.

761
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,340
We have no changes this year from the manager's wreck budget. So that was good,

762
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,000
or we didn't find anything that was either a county issue that came up.

763
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:39,320
So that's a positive. We have no changes from that budget book. We all went through then as well.

764
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,120
When you talk about debt, we'll kind of get into that a little bit later on this presentation,

765
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,860
but really you have our General Fund, which is the meat and potatoes of everything we do.

766
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:56,600
We have our Bond and Interest Fund, which is a smaller middle-eville associated with projects that you don't want to pay for upfront.

767
00:57:56,980 --> 00:58:00,820
So we want to pay cash for things we can, but like a water treatment plant.

768
00:58:00,820 --> 00:58:06,220
We don't want a big cash for a water treatment plan that's going to be there for 50 years and used by people for the next 50 years.

769
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:09,780
We want those future generations to help pay for that water treatment plan as well.

770
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,280
We shouldn't put it all on the burden of those people today.

771
00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:20,480
So when you talk about debt, our policy is 20% as we want direct debt as a percentage of our assess valuation.

772
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:22,940
The state law is 30%.

773
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:27,440
So City Council has said a policy to say we want to be tighter than the state law.

774
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:33,000
currently we're at around just under 18% and we've talked a lot about that that's

775
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,920
driven a lot by derby difference in utility debt those have dedicated repayment

776
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,820
structures so derby difference sales tax funds or water wastewater funds we

777
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:48,120
don't issue a lot of general obligation property tax debt so we did we do have a

778
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,760
strong debt position it helps that we have a tighter debt ratio and that we're

779
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,680
pretty frugal with those funds, we got a bump in our debt rating to AA back in

780
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,360
21. We've been able to maintain that because we want to maintain those

781
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,260
strong ratios. That debt rating means better interest rates, which means lower

782
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:10,220
cost to taxpayers over the life of the bond.

783
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:13,700
So we talked a little bit about making

784
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:17,960
mention of 6% growth and assessed valuation. We talk about this at the

785
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,820
manager's rack and at our workshops. You can see kind of how that splits out

786
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:32,960
about 1% 5% 3 years ago it was 11% so we have seen some large valuation changes we didn't

787
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:40,200
capture all the 11% but this is how the county when they go do their assessments or

788
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:46,580
appraisals of properties our average across every was 6% so I used my own property as

789
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:52,460
an example last year mine went up 32% this year mine went down 8% I don't understand

790
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:58,260
the large swings and why that occurs but within their process so 6% you know

791
00:59:58,260 --> 01:00:00,000
unfortunately the lady who is here is

792
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:31,770
So, you know, there is a balancing across the entire structure, but we have to look at it from a, can we do the right thing with the property tax dollars we have? Because our average across there was 6%. Our largest revenue sources, when you talk about revenues for the city, property tax is our largest revenue source. Right around 70%.

793
01:00:31,790 --> 01:00:37,930
$17 million, so when we do a five-year forecast that we all showed you before, we do that

794
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:42,090
current assessed valuation increase, and then we do usually we're conservative with

795
01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:42,650
our forecast.

796
01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:47,050
So we look at lesser amounts in the out years, so we forecast 3% in the out years.

797
01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:50,270
Countywide sales tax is our second largest revenue source.

798
01:00:50,770 --> 01:00:54,210
That is the percentage we get of the 1% countywide sales tax.

799
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:55,790
That's just north to 7 million.

800
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:59,150
As Derby's commercial base has grown, that number has grown.

801
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:04,910
It was pretty flat the last few years this year. It's up four to five percent, which is helpful.

802
01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:12,410
That means things are healthy. Part of that's probably inflation, as the price of goods has gone up.

803
01:01:12,810 --> 01:01:17,510
But we've forecasted that at four percent and then two percent in the out years.

804
01:01:18,790 --> 01:01:25,470
So when I talked about 26 revised budget, this is also the time tonight when we do the budget hearing

805
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,910
and vote on the budget that we revise the budgets for 26R.

806
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:33,590
There's four budget amendments involved with 26R.

807
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:36,270
Most of them have to do with large capital improvement projects,

808
01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:38,910
like I mentioned earlier, in the Derby Different Sales Tax Fund,

809
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:43,010
Rock Road Reconstruction to Karsky Park Phase 2, Amber Ridge.

810
01:01:43,550 --> 01:01:47,550
Some of that, and I'll just be honest with you, is just timing of construction.

811
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:49,950
When do we get to construction? When does this occur?

812
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:54,190
Our budgets we create and those don't occur for 18 months.

813
01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:59,770
sometimes construction projects get pushed out, sometimes they get moved up. So we have to amend

814
01:01:59,770 --> 01:02:05,330
Derby Different Sales Tax Fund by about 1.771 and when we say amend it's not like we're getting

815
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:10,970
more money. The money's in the fund but we have to get budget of 40 for money that we were spending

816
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:15,990
out of those funds. So the aquatic park fund, very small amount, it's within the general fund,

817
01:02:16,210 --> 01:02:21,930
just over $6,000. That's just operational fees at Rock River Rapids. The water fund, big

818
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:25,430
tank water treatment plant construction hit our books this year so we have to

819
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:29,470
amend that and then wastewater fund really phased one a's the driver of that

820
01:02:29,470 --> 01:02:32,190
because phase one was really hit a lot last year there was a little bit this

821
01:02:32,190 --> 01:02:35,890
year the phase one a which will be done at the end of this year is the $15

822
01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:39,550
million budget amendment in that fund so

823
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,640
we kind of showed the chart that shows

824
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:49,040
kind of R&R versus the mill ever we have this is the assess valuation with mill

825
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:56,660
levy which I will try and try and show on here you can see assess valuations were pretty flat

826
01:02:56,660 --> 01:03:02,500
till right around covid time frame and then we started seeing larger assess valuations.

827
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,700
That was also the time when council started making a conscientious effort to say how can we

828
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:13,540
reduce that burden knowing that so that's where you started to see the mill levy drop the mill levy

829
01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:21,580
was flat for nearly 15 years. It was around 47 to 48 mils. Each year that we lower the

830
01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:27,160
mill of it, it's the lowest mill of it we've had in 30 years. So in 2016 that was when

831
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,800
the tax lid hit. The city council at that time decided to raise the mill of it by one mill

832
01:03:32,420 --> 01:03:36,640
because the impacts of the tax lid and the timing with our budget and with state legislation

833
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,000
is always not great and they did not know what the impact of that was going to be. So we

834
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,320
We always like to show this chart because it shows that as that assesses valuations increase,

835
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,600
if we would have kept that middle levy flat, that would have been increased tax bills

836
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,220
for residents.

837
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:53,200
So we have eight into the elephant.

838
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:54,000
It is an elephant.

839
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,460
To be honest with you, it's an elephant, it's very large.

840
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,680
It's hard to buy it into, but that effort's been there over since 2021.

841
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:10,040
So when we talk about total middle levy, we talk about school district, city, county,

842
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:16,780
us, right, and in the state. So when you look at these Wichita area adjacent

843
01:04:16,780 --> 01:04:24,340
communities, you can see where Derby sits in green, 140 mils. So Wichita, it will

844
01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:28,460
be tough for us to ever be as close Wichita as scale of 450,000 people. That's

845
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:33,520
the reality of the commercial base that they have, but we're right there with

846
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:44,380
So that, this chart here at 140 is current middle levy, and this is proposed next year.

847
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:51,680
So you can see, I think Park City got added on there, but you can see we're staying.

848
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:56,760
We're actually going down from where it was at 140 to 137.

849
01:04:57,460 --> 01:05:00,340
So that's based on our middle levy lowering.

850
01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:04,220
that's based on the county lowering their middle levy a little bit the school

851
01:05:04,220 --> 01:05:08,220
district I believe that's a little bit of lowering so the overall tax levy is

852
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,680
going down a little bit and just breaking that down a little bit further this

853
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,500
year I thought I would put this up here because there is a lot of confusion about

854
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:23,140
who pays what with property taxes so when you look at the prior year on this chart

855
01:05:23,140 --> 01:05:27,120
the far right column you can see the middle levy's of the different entities in

856
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:33,780
Derby and the proposed column in the middle, that is the proposed mill levy for 2027.

857
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:40,000
So you can see the city's about 32% of your property tax bill, the school and DRC because

858
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:46,200
the DRC falls under the school are about 47% of your tax bill, the county's about 20% and

859
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,540
the cemetery's about 1%.

860
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,700
The state used to have one and a half mills, they had a very small amount, one and a half

861
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,160
mill levy, it went away after last year.

862
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,420
So they don't mill. They get most of their money from they have six and a half percent

863
01:05:58,420 --> 01:06:02,400
state sales tax and income taxes. That's where the state. So it wasn't a whole lot of

864
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,740
money. That was the one and a half mills, but that did go away. So, so then when you break

865
01:06:08,740 --> 01:06:14,540
down just city mill levy, this is our current year. So this is it says 2025 city rate. Well

866
01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:21,140
that's our 20 our current mill levy in 2026. It's based off of 2025 assessments. So we got

867
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:29,320
our assessments in 2025, set our mill levy. You can see we're at 44.996. Hutch and

868
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:35,220
Andover, we've been kind of right behind them last few years. These ones in pink over

869
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:38,500
here on the side, if I can operate this thing,

870
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:44,370
there we go. So those in pink, that's

871
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:52,350
Seduit County Fire District 1. So in Goddard, you only pay a city rate of 37 mills and then

872
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:57,930
you pay 17 mills to set you a county fire disagree on so within our 44 mills that includes

873
01:06:57,930 --> 01:07:03,130
our fire department we have our own fire department so Valley Center dealing with this right now might

874
01:07:03,130 --> 01:07:07,170
have a much higher mill levy might do a sales tax trying to figure out because they don't have

875
01:07:07,170 --> 01:07:12,150
they're either going to go on with said you county fire disagree on or raise their valuation

876
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:19,470
amount to add a paid fire department there and Mulvane is a volunteer fire department so we actually

877
01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:22,790
assist small vein in a lot of their fires. I mean we are we have an auto-aid agreement

878
01:07:22,790 --> 01:07:27,950
with them. They they come and assist us as well. So when you look at our proposed mill

879
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:34,610
levy for this next year so it's based on our 26 valuations 27 levy we are actually now

880
01:07:34,610 --> 01:07:44,830
dropping below and over. So I was I was happy to see that and over actually advertised that as a

881
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:47,490
one and a half middle levy increase, I believe, one and a half or two.

882
01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:52,370
So we're now below them, slightly above hutch, and just find which toss.

883
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:57,450
So I guess the big picture of this that I've heard the mayor say before, if you live

884
01:07:57,450 --> 01:08:06,510
in a $200,000 house in Derby versus a $200,000 house in anybody in these houses over anybody

885
01:08:06,510 --> 01:08:10,990
who lives in any of these cities in that same value of house, you pay more taxes than you

886
01:08:10,990 --> 01:08:11,510
do in Derby.

887
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:18,910
I mean, that's the reality and it's a valuable chart for that because I do hear a lot and I know you all hear that Derby has high taxes.

888
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:24,650
Well, Derby has high taxes relative to what? I mean, you can all agree that, you know, people don't like property taxes.

889
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:36,290
It's a challenging thing based on valuations, but relative to Derby versus the Hayesville or Amaz or a Valley Center or Newton, you have lower taxes here than you do there.

890
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:43,290
So, when you look at our city mill levy, what makes up our mill levy of the 44.359?

891
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:48,310
So, that's the general fund, debt service fund, library, and library employee benefits.

892
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:55,930
So, I kind of put those together there, but you can see, most of our fluctuation and the discussion we have is council

893
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:58,550
and staff is about the general fund.

894
01:08:58,650 --> 01:09:04,590
The general fund pays for our operations, pays for most of our employees, a lot of our contractual items,

895
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:10,530
The bought and interest fund doesn't fluctuate a lot because that's our long-term debt obligations.

896
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:16,550
So when we're lowering the middle of you, we're probably focusing on lowering things in the general fund.

897
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:22,930
The library, we've talked a lot about them. They had a sales tax that helped their operations for 10 years.

898
01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:29,170
That sales tax went away. They weren't included in the next sales tax. That sales tax did really well for them.

899
01:09:29,170 --> 01:09:35,570
They're pretty much living off of that reserve from that sales tax and then whatever evaluation changes they have and

900
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:39,590
They'll be able to do that for a certain amount of time knowing that in the future. We will hit the point

901
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:44,790
We'll have to have the discussion about ongoing library obligations. We'll have to work look at their operations

902
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:48,410
Eric does a great job at the library of managing their budget, so

903
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:54,710
But that is something that we have a statue a charter ordinance. Excuse me

904
01:09:54,710 --> 01:09:58,010
uh... here at the city that helps set the mill levy for the library

905
01:09:58,010 --> 01:10:02,010
uh... and there's certain fluctuation they have to live within those means

906
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:05,940
so when you look at our general fund

907
01:10:05,940 --> 01:10:07,980
it's thirty million dollars

908
01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:11,500
uh... and when you look at where the general fund dollars go

909
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,520
uh... you can see seventy percent of the general fund dollars

910
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,980
go to public safety in public works

911
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:21,360
uh... that's essentially what those two things are

912
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,180
that's your

913
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:23,140
street workers

914
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:24,800
park park workers

915
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:31,080
members, police, fire, court, that's all in those two squares.

916
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:37,340
General government includes that's Finance, HR, R Office, City Manager, City Council,

917
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:43,800
it's the senior center, it's our public transportation, it's IT, so it's kind of a

918
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,420
combination of all of those other departments, it's quite a bit general government when

919
01:10:47,420 --> 01:10:51,100
you look at our department or chart community development as our planning and engineering

920
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:55,580
engineering department that's our building inspectors, our project inspectors, our engineers

921
01:10:55,580 --> 01:11:00,400
on staff, and then transfers that 0.8 percent, those are things like we need to transfer

922
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,420
out of the general fund to our equipment reserve fund for a piece of equipment.

923
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:06,360
So that's a very small amount, especially with Derby Difference.

924
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,360
We used to transfer more, but with Derby Difference we transferred less out of the general fund.

925
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:12,220
That's really where we've been able to see savings.

926
01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:17,420
So that number's gone down, but that transfers is essentially where we have to send to another

927
01:11:17,420 --> 01:11:19,320
fund for it, usually for something we're going to purchase.

928
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:27,160
This is the five-year plan that's in our budget book that we talk a lot about in our budget meetings with council.

929
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,100
The thing at highlight, I know it's really hard to read.

930
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,260
I put it in here because really you look at a couple things.

931
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,960
You look at 2027, this percentage down here at the bottom.

932
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:45,400
You want to be three years out above 15%, you can see we're around 21%.

933
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,420
And then you see in the out years around 2031, when you're looking at a five-year plan,

934
01:11:50,420 --> 01:11:56,020
we actually go negative. Will we go negative? Most likely not. I mean, we're very conservative

935
01:11:56,020 --> 01:12:00,580
with our revenue estimates and more aggressive with our expenditure estimates. Knowing that

936
01:12:00,580 --> 01:12:06,220
we can't make up money, but we can operationally change from an expenditure side. So,

937
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:10,900
these are something that our finance department constantly looks at within our five-year plan

938
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:16,340
from a personnel perspective. That's a big driver of this. What is our personnel and benefit

939
01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:20,980
costs, and then our operating expenses. What are commodities and contractuals?

940
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:24,340
You can see, I know we talked about in our budget workshops, our commodities and

941
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:28,320
contractuals were flat to almost down this year. There wasn't a lot of growth.

942
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:31,540
We didn't see a lot of jumps in those areas.

943
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:37,650
So, jumping into the budget itself, any questions on general fund or anything

944
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:41,190
for I just jumped into a couple of highlights of the budget itself for this year

945
01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:42,490
and the CIP?

946
01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:45,690
Obviously, we've talked a lot.

947
01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:51,470
this is our six-year lowering the middle levy, so it's about 0.637 lower from last year.

948
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:57,630
This includes a 1.5% gross pay-adjustment or CPI and a 3% merit pool. That means

949
01:12:57,630 --> 01:13:03,330
our employees based on their performance of you can get a merit-based raise up to a certain percentage.

950
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:09,350
There is nine new positions in this budget. We've talked a lot about this in the budget workshops.

951
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:20,390
We are not going to hire them until mid-year 2027, because we know there's been a lot of discussion in the last three years about property tax bills, what does that impact the cities?

952
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:29,090
We don't want to hire a bunch of people at the start of 2027 while the legislature is just getting started, and they do a bill that then we would have to lay nine people off or something.

953
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:34,890
So we're going to let that play out at the state level, but the focus you can see this year,

954
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:40,470
some of these are property tax funds, three firefighters. We try to get grants for those the

955
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:45,030
last three years and have been unsuccessful. So we're moving them over to the general fund side,

956
01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:50,450
a police officer, and an IT person. Those are your general fund. And the groundskeeper, which was a

957
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:55,330
carryover from last year, we did not fund it. We funded two for the new Dakarski Park. This is the

958
01:13:55,330 --> 01:14:00,250
the 3rd one. And then with our new water treatment plant, that's the water production

959
01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:05,090
operator, the senior water production operator and the two other water productions. So those

960
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:08,890
will, the two water production operators won't come on till maybe year, most likely because

961
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:12,830
the plant won't be further along. The senior will hire early on because during the construction,

962
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:16,890
we want them to be a part of that process as we're bringing that plant off the ground.

963
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:23,290
We also had discussions about a paralegal part time fire inspector. We did not fund those

964
01:14:23,290 --> 01:14:25,050
for 2027.

965
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:31,170
So on these are things we've kind of run through before some of the major initiatives

966
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:37,290
and equipment. If you see the green DD that's Derby Difference and you know you can see a lot

967
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:44,010
of these you'll see are Derby Difference Funded so they're paid for by our sales tax which as you

968
01:14:44,010 --> 01:14:50,290
all know our 1% sales tax 20 to 30% of that comes from people who don't live in Derby and they help

969
01:14:50,290 --> 01:14:55,010
carry that burden of that cost. So it helps reduce that property tax burden on our residents

970
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:59,930
because we're having outsiders help pay for that. So Court City Hall

971
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:27,900
Police remodel. That's a big one that's going on right now. Obviously, we finished the senior center. Courts is now moving into the south end of City Hall. That's underway right now. And when that's done, they'll redo the court building for the police expansion. We talked about that. That was possible through the donation of the church down there for our senior center. Probably saved us anywhere from $5 to $10 million from having to build a new police department, trying to build a stand alone. That was made possible through all of that, which is great.

972
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:32,900
So we should be bringing something back to Council in November for the next phase for

973
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:36,540
police for a contract to consider for that facility.

974
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,940
Patriot Avenue is on the list for 2027.

975
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,400
That will be from Rock to Buckner.

976
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,540
That will be through the cutler repayment process that we've talked a lot with Councilor Reign about.

977
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:53,240
But that is one of our major arterials and is a road that needs to be worked upon.

978
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:57,360
The Taltry and Rock Road intersection will also be redone.

979
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:04,520
It'll be designed in 27. I believe complete in 28 North Woodlawn is bid right now. It'll be completed in 2027

980
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:12,860
It'll start this fall and then the Oak Forest signal the oldest signal we have in Derby out here on Madison will get redone in 2027

981
01:16:12,860 --> 01:16:18,520
The fire SCBA we've applied for a grant that is a self-contained breathing apparatus

982
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:24,680
So that is their tanks when they go into a fire those are pretty critical for what they do and they're pretty expensive

983
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,280
if I think it gets in the neighborhood of three or four hundred thousand dollars to replace

984
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,320
those SCBAs over time.

985
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,320
So we're hopeful for the grant, but if not, we'll work those in over time.

986
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:40,820
Fire Brush Truck 81 is planned for 2027, so we had Brush Truck 82 that we got, and we're

987
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:41,900
replacing the other squad.

988
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,140
That was a couple years ago.

989
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:46,420
This is the other squad going to more of a Brush Truck model.

990
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,500
And then on a smaller level, the MyoVision traffic data collection, I know I'm excited

991
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:52,000
about it.

992
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,940
for all of you who get questions about speedy and traffic counts.

993
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,380
We have old traffic tubes that we got borrowed from Sedgwick County a long time ago.

994
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:03,900
With these, these are much smaller. We're able to set them up on existing signs

995
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:08,440
or other things, capture speed, capture traffic moving, capture pedestrian data,

996
01:17:08,660 --> 01:17:13,160
so that we can do those speed studies localized in neighborhoods in different areas,

997
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:15,280
which we plan to do over time.

998
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,500
Some of the other major initiatives and equipment, Amber Ridge, Glen Hills Park, so you're

999
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:25,620
going to hear about Glen Hills Park tonight from our park director, Amber Ridge, we talked

1000
01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:29,940
about it our prior council meeting, Amber Ridge will be construction starting this year,

1001
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,580
Glen Hills will be construction started next year, and then the third one when we did the

1002
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:40,160
design is Duck Creek Park, that's in the out year after that, but we also have some storm

1003
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,560
water work we're doing over on Highlands Street, and then one of the big projects we have the

1004
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:49,600
large WAMPO grant paying for almost 80% of it is Rock Road from Freedom near the

1005
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,220
hospital of the 55th Street North. That'll be a big project. We're very

1006
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:58,720
fortunate through WAMPO and federal funds to get nearly seven or eight million

1007
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,620
dollars in grants for that. So that we're very fortunate in that. You'll see

1008
01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:07,560
Market in English Street, Reconstruction, obviously construction of the water

1009
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:14,540
treatment plant will continue. We are doing currently the Buckner water tower. We're

1010
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:18,640
and then the prior year after that will do the rock road north water tower.

1011
01:18:19,060 --> 01:18:22,560
We're also starting our utility service center design. We talked a lot about that.

1012
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,180
As we build the new water treatment plant, currently our water and wastewater staff are housed

1013
01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:30,560
out of the wastewater treatment plant, which was a building built for about

1014
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,820
13 to 14 people and we house about 25 in there.

1015
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:38,080
So we know when we build the plant, we've got to build some space for those water

1016
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,540
workers. So this is a design process in 27.

1017
01:18:41,540 --> 01:18:45,720
And then wastewater capacity design, the reason I have a question mark on that, because

1018
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,780
we're finishing our Phase 1A project.

1019
01:18:49,340 --> 01:18:51,180
And part of that is flow meters that are planned.

1020
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:52,380
We talked a lot about that.

1021
01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:58,500
When you hit KDA cheese requirements for 80% of your max capacity flow, then you have a timeframe

1022
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,400
after that to design capacity improvements.

1023
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:02,780
Those are expensive.

1024
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:06,260
Those are the big basins that make sure we have enough capacity.

1025
01:19:06,260 --> 01:19:11,680
So we will know before the end of this year where we are capacity-wise and if we have

1026
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,340
to go looking at that next level of design for wastewater as we kind of move forward.

1027
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:22,960
Really we've talked a lot about different highlight projects equipment so I just kind

1028
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,880
of wanted to touch on a few things but I appreciate Council's questions, comments, feedback

1029
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,380
during this budget process.

1030
01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:33,420
I also wanted to thank City staff, Megan and her staff obviously with finance to a great

1031
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:38,260
job through the process and really from a management team and from all our departments

1032
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:44,160
perspective I think the mayor kind of noted it was a very light year and I think part

1033
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,740
of it is part of it we realize the financial reality we're living in and part of it is kind

1034
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:54,860
of the unknown with the state we're kind of waiting to see what happens with that and hopefully

1035
01:19:54,860 --> 01:19:59,620
work with them on a solution's chemical because the system is confusing you know you have people

1036
01:19:59,620 --> 01:20:04,620
worried about appraisals versus valuations versus taxes levied from different

1037
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:09,980
indies so we try to do a public kind of a public process this year with a third

1038
01:20:09,980 --> 01:20:13,260
Thursday event we were dragging people in there we couldn't get a lot of

1039
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:18,100
engagement we've got some ideas on how to do it differently next year but you know

1040
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:22,880
we want to hear from people on how they think things are going what's going

1041
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:30,170
well what's not going well so I'll stand for any other questions anybody from

1042
01:20:30,170 --> 01:20:30,950
the bench everything.

1043
01:20:34,530 --> 01:20:38,770
Councilmember Webster. All right. Nobody has any questions? I guess we'll go ahead here.

1044
01:20:40,110 --> 01:20:41,610
Please do the public hearing first.

1045
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:49,110
Before I open up the public hearing, I would like to say thank you. Thank you to the staff. I mean, like I said earlier,

1046
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:58,170
long process started in probably December, January and it's continuing. And I'm sure Megan will probably start looking at, you know,

1047
01:20:58,170 --> 01:21:08,210
28 next week. Maybe not. I hope not. But it is a long process. And I think that these

1048
01:21:08,210 --> 01:21:12,970
are tough. They're always tough. Nobody wants to pay more taxes. I totally understand

1049
01:21:12,970 --> 01:21:21,090
it, but we do have a government to fund and run. And I think that the comparisons, just

1050
01:21:21,090 --> 01:21:25,050
because everybody else is doing something, but when I hear you alluded to Derby has high

1051
01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:31,030
taxes. You look at that chart, I love that chart, because when you see towns around us that

1052
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:37,850
I don't think compared to us even close, pay a lot more in city property taxes and most

1053
01:21:37,850 --> 01:21:43,030
generally, even overall with school district taxes, and they're overall tax bill. And I

1054
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:50,750
think we are, by far, a much better city than most of them. And I apologize to my friends

1055
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:58,110
that live in those cities but we just are. I'm not apologetic about that but we are. I mean I

1056
01:21:58,110 --> 01:22:06,590
look at Newtons 72 mills. I can't imagine what their tax burdens are up there. So the quality

1057
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:12,770
of life that we have here. So I am apologetic about that because I think we have a great community

1058
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:19,890
and we've watched the financial ball for a number of decades. Starting about 21, like you said,

1059
01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:24,990
the military started creeping down. And that has helped. And I think we continue to do this.

1060
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:30,950
You know, we still have to fund things, but we're watching it. So I do have one more light up here

1061
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:37,130
right now before I open the public hearing. Council member Ryan. Yes, thank you, Mayor. I just wanted

1062
01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:44,370
to say this is my first year on the council. And I did not realize how much work and effort went in

1063
01:22:44,370 --> 01:22:51,430
to this process and I wanted to say thank you to our staff and the work and effort that

1064
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:58,230
they've put into this so I know you asked if they made any questions and none of us had

1065
01:22:58,230 --> 01:23:03,010
anything we've all been through I mean I feel like we've vetted this pretty well and

1066
01:23:03,850 --> 01:23:07,770
I just wanted to say thank you to our staff and thank you to the other council members

1067
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:13,470
for you know bouncing ideas off and hearing things and everything like that so this has been

1068
01:23:13,470 --> 01:23:18,550
a very eye opening experience. Thank you. I'll definitely share that with staff. I think

1069
01:23:19,070 --> 01:23:24,230
this is the accumulation of like a lot of questions, a lot of bounce back. I mean, our goal of

1070
01:23:24,230 --> 01:23:29,330
staff is no surprises, right? I mean, we want to make sure you're educated well before we get to

1071
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:35,650
this point, you know, of what we're going through and the questioning of that. So I definitely will

1072
01:23:35,650 --> 01:23:41,830
share that with all of our staff. And I'll give my caveat I give every year with when it comes to

1073
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:48,230
property taxes, like somebody in their wisdom years ago decided cities were mainly going

1074
01:23:48,230 --> 01:23:52,050
to be funded by property taxes. You know, the state, they're funded by income taxes

1075
01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:53,690
and state sales tax.

1076
01:23:56,170 --> 01:24:00,670
We are, when I talk to Representative Carpenter and Representative

1077
01:24:00,670 --> 01:24:07,050
Howell and Representative Howerton, we are where the rubber hits the road. I mean, we're

1078
01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:11,750
not running social service programs. We are having police officers work during an eye

1079
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:18,350
and a firefighter run a 24-hour shift and a park worker mo a park and a street worker

1080
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:23,470
or a filipot hole. That is where most of your tax dollars are going. You know, we're

1081
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:28,730
not running a lot of other programs like that so if they don't want us to have property

1082
01:24:28,730 --> 01:24:33,970
taxes at the state level then let's figure out some other way like there isn't a large

1083
01:24:33,970 --> 01:24:38,510
inefficiency like you have at the federal government. I mean that's the reality of how

1084
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:44,050
we operate here because we're here. We're running those day-to-day services. We're running

1085
01:24:44,050 --> 01:24:50,550
water wastewater. I hope to work with the state. We have been for them to better understand

1086
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:57,310
how we operate and what we do, but that'll be a continued back and forth. I've said it once about

1087
01:24:57,310 --> 01:25:03,410
whether it's a revenue problem or an expenditure problem. A lot of it's revenue. You balance your

1088
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:07,830
expenditures, you live on a budget, you try to be tight with it, but where do you want

1089
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:08,850
to be funded from?

1090
01:25:08,970 --> 01:25:10,890
Because you still have your base you have to pay for.

1091
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:13,390
Whether that's property tax, sales tax, income tax.

1092
01:25:14,030 --> 01:25:16,450
I tell the state folks, I'll trade for income tax all day.

1093
01:25:16,590 --> 01:25:17,570
You take property taxes.

1094
01:25:17,710 --> 01:25:18,850
They never want to do it.

1095
01:25:18,970 --> 01:25:19,810
None of them want to do it.

1096
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:20,050
So.

1097
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:23,500
Thank you, Mr. Mangus.

1098
01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:26,900
At this time, I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing.

1099
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:33,860
Anybody from the audience wants to come back up and speak, or you have five minutes to talk

1100
01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:38,340
about what Mr. Mangus talked about, begin, this is not the revenue neutral hearing, this

1101
01:25:38,340 --> 01:25:41,200
is over the budget that was presented to the City Council.

1102
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:50,300
Well, they're thinking about it, I appreciate, again, staff's time that they've put in on

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01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:55,300
this and to Miss Ryan, thank you for your comments, and I think somebody else alluded to it too.

1104
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,360
This is not the first time we've seen this, we're not just looking at this for the first

1105
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,160
time tonight saying, sure, let's spend a ton of money, the City Council started digesting

1106
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,180
in all of this stuff back in May.

1107
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,220
And it's been a lot of meetings,

1108
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,660
a lot of council meetings, budget workshops,

1109
01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:12,760
one-on-one meetings with the city manager.

1110
01:26:13,460 --> 01:26:15,900
So we arrived to this location

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01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:18,540
with a lot of work that's behind the scenes.

1112
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,220
And Mr. Mangus mentioned this is where the rubber meets the road.

1113
01:26:23,620 --> 01:26:26,200
I mean, people, I can't go to Topeca

1114
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,980
and complain about my state income tax, what I pay.

1115
01:26:29,980 --> 01:26:34,880
They definitely can't go to Washington DC and do that, but you know what, people can

1116
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:35,960
come here and they do.

1117
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:39,380
They talk to us in person about their issues.

1118
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,420
They run into us at their grocery store, they run into us at school events, they run into

1119
01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:45,260
us all over the place.

1120
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:50,520
So I think it is important that we're accessible, they can call us, everybody's cell numbers

1121
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:57,120
listed on our city website, they can email us, we know they do, but we are as transparent

1122
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,300
as I think we can possibly be.

1123
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:02,960
So anybody want to speak?

1124
01:27:03,980 --> 01:27:05,020
Anybody want to speak?

1125
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,480
Miss Miller, do you want to say anything else?

1126
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:08,400
Okay.

1127
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:17,200
Thank you so much, ma'am.

1128
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:21,020
When we do appreciate the feedback up here, this is how the process works.

1129
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:27,660
So at this time, I am going to close the public hearing and look for councilmember Neill.

1130
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:29,220
Thank you, Mayor.

1131
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:31,340
So I do have some comments.

1132
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:38,500
First of all, Dan, Kyle, Megan and your staff, thank you so much for all your due diligence.

1133
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:46,900
It is an extensive process and I'm especially grateful for all the scenarios you give us

1134
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:51,360
because I like seeing all the scenarios. I think Kyle like seeing the scenarios also.

1135
01:27:51,980 --> 01:27:56,520
One that I was particularly fond of was the 1 mil reduction scenario.

1136
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,220
scenario, I think I've been pretty for

1137
01:28:02,530 --> 01:28:04,870
that through all our meetings and stuff.

1138
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,610
I think lowering it one mill, like we're close, we're not quite there.

1139
01:28:12,890 --> 01:28:15,850
So you know, that said, I believe this is a responsible budget.

1140
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:19,090
I'm not sure if it's the budget taxpayers deserve.

1141
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:26,110
You know, I understand the concern of possible state policy changes in 27 and 28.

1142
01:28:27,190 --> 01:28:33,090
That's a legitimate concern, you know, that's another reason why maybe we were a little bit more conservative this year.

1143
01:28:33,230 --> 01:28:38,970
You know, I don't dismiss that, but uncertainty exists every year, you know, to an extent.

1144
01:28:39,630 --> 01:28:44,290
And that alone shouldn't delay us in making meaningful reductions now.

1145
01:28:45,870 --> 01:28:52,450
So voting no, if I decide to vote no on this, isn't a reflection of staff or anybody on the bench.

1146
01:28:52,450 --> 01:28:55,970
I think it's pretty reasonable that we can reach different conclusions.

1147
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:04,410
I just think that to quote former Mayor White, we're not the biggest dog at the bowl, but

1148
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:10,330
I think if maybe if we set a trend of being tightening the belt just a little bit more,

1149
01:29:10,450 --> 01:29:16,610
maybe the school district who is would follow in those footsteps and then kind of so trick

1150
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:19,530
a lot down, so on and so forth.

1151
01:29:19,530 --> 01:29:25,850
So, you know, I think that's kind of where I'm at.

1152
01:29:26,270 --> 01:29:27,970
I appreciate all the hard work.

1153
01:29:28,810 --> 01:29:31,450
I wish we could do it just a little bit more.

1154
01:29:31,850 --> 01:29:35,510
So, you know, respectfully, I might have to vote no.

1155
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:37,270
That's all.

1156
01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:39,410
Council Member Molt.

1157
01:29:40,350 --> 01:29:40,930
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1158
01:29:42,010 --> 01:29:45,990
First of all, I just appreciate the comments has been made up here.

1159
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:49,870
Kyle, Megan, the staff, just a great job.

1160
01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:55,070
I do, Mr. Niel, want to ask you a question, so we all agree.

1161
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:59,990
We all want to work on lower taxes, and I think all of us.

1162
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:25,640
I just want that. But my question to you is in this budget, where, where, where would you propose we shave off more to get that one mill? I guess I would be my question for you is to, um, it's one thing. Yeah, we would all love that. But there is not much fluff in this budget. Um, and I just don't see with all the scenarios we got. I don't understand where we would get that extra. So I'd put that ball back in your court. Show me where we could get to that.

1163
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:27,940
Council Member Neal.

1164
01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:29,600
I agree with you.

1165
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,200
There's not a lot of fluff in the budget.

1166
01:30:31,860 --> 01:30:36,340
But since last year's budget, I said we need to look for pushing it for one mill.

1167
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,140
So I'm going to stand ten toes down and say we need to go one mill.

1168
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,480
So, you know, I'm not an expert.

1169
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,720
This is my fifth or sixth budget cycle.

1170
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,380
We're very conservative.

1171
01:30:47,780 --> 01:30:51,460
Megan and her team and the staff do an exemplary job.

1172
01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:53,920
I think we've shown that in what we do.

1173
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,400
but I think we need to give the taxpayers a little relief.

1174
01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:01,800
I don't quite know what that looks like, but that's where I'm at.

1175
01:31:05,180 --> 01:31:05,940
Council member Moll.

1176
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:07,120
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1177
01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:08,200
So, I appreciate that.

1178
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:14,120
So, with that, I'll make a motion to approve the 2027 operating budget as proposed

1179
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:18,460
to fund city services from January 1 to December 31, 2027.

1180
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,500
Approved the 2027, 2031 capital improvement plan

1181
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:31,200
And and approve the 2026 submitted budgets for the Derby different sales tax aquatic park water and waste water funds.

1182
01:31:33,660 --> 01:31:38,860
We have a motion on second any further discussion roll call vote please.

1183
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,220
Mr. I'm starting with Mr. Neal, Mr.

1184
01:31:46,820 --> 01:31:47,980
Engel, Mr.

1185
01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:57,830
Webster, Mr. Molt, Mr. Ryan, Mr. McEver.

1186
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:57,870
Chair.

1187
01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:58,570
Aye.

1188
01:31:59,950 --> 01:32:01,830
Mayor the vote is 5-1.

1189
01:32:04,590 --> 01:32:05,230
Thank you.

1190
01:32:06,170 --> 01:32:07,230
Next item, please.

1191
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:12,410
Our next item is Glen Hills Park Design.

1192
01:32:19,010 --> 01:32:19,570
Greetings.

1193
01:32:20,210 --> 01:32:23,750
Mayor and members of City Council, I am Eric Newell, your park's director.

1194
01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:27,890
I am pleased to be here this evening to introduce the Glen Hills Park Rehabilitation Project.

1195
01:32:28,290 --> 01:32:35,730
As a reminder in 2022, City Council adopted the Derby Master Plan and established the 15-year

1196
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:39,750
vision for a rehabilitation of parks and specifically neighborhood parks.

1197
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:45,670
And then in January 2025, the Derby Different Sales Tax went into effect, providing a dedicated

1198
01:32:45,670 --> 01:32:47,590
fund to implement those plans.

1199
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:55,690
And then obviously in 2026, we did design with a design contract with LK Architecture to design

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01:32:55,690 --> 01:32:56,370
our three parks.

1201
01:32:56,650 --> 01:33:00,750
So, Amber Ridge, tonight we'll talk about Glen Hills, and then we will probably the next

1202
01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:03,290
few months bring you Duck Creek as well.

1203
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:13,310
So to present the night's proposed options, I'm going to turn it over to next day with OK architectures to consider and to just walk you through these fun designs we're doing.

1204
01:33:13,930 --> 01:33:15,310
Nick, turn the presentation. Do you?

1205
01:33:21,130 --> 01:33:32,510
All right. I'm excited to be here tonight. These projects are fun for me. So I love working on park projects with you guys. So appreciate you guys being able to allow me to continue to work with you guys.

1206
01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:36,750
So, this is our second project, the community park.

1207
01:33:37,050 --> 01:33:40,610
Here this is Located in Glenhill's, here's a little map, location map, just kind of

1208
01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:41,950
help you understand where this is at.

1209
01:33:42,610 --> 01:33:45,510
The existing park, we've got a couple of images here.

1210
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:50,270
The existing park has a small place structure on it, some few trees, and then it's pretty

1211
01:33:50,270 --> 01:33:51,170
open with some lawn.

1212
01:33:51,730 --> 01:33:55,250
So we're doing a lot of improvements to this park.

1213
01:33:56,030 --> 01:34:01,730
Here's a couple of more pictures here so you can kind of see the style of equipment that's

1214
01:34:01,730 --> 01:34:06,230
out there and really it's an open lawn, open lawn at this point.

1215
01:34:08,230 --> 01:34:10,770
This is an aerial view of the park.

1216
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:16,470
So up in the upper left-hand corner you can kind of see that blob that I mean up there.

1217
01:34:16,630 --> 01:34:20,150
That's the existing playground and then there's a couple of trees that are kind of scattered

1218
01:34:20,150 --> 01:34:20,790
around that.

1219
01:34:21,770 --> 01:34:25,330
But really it's kind of a nice open kind of a square.

1220
01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:29,390
So a lot of room for use in this area.

1221
01:34:30,130 --> 01:34:39,670
We went through a very similar community engagement process that we did with Amber Ridge, and we had really good participation with that as well.

1222
01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:47,670
So we went through two different rounds. So we had a first community cookout. I think we had, what was it about 50 people showed up?

1223
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:54,150
50 people showed up to that, had really good participation, and then we had round number two, which was an ice cream social.

1224
01:34:54,150 --> 01:34:57,110
And I'd say we probably had around 30 people that showed up to that.

1225
01:34:58,550 --> 01:35:01,510
Here's some images from that event.

1226
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:03,730
We had really good weather.

1227
01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:09,810
We've been lucky with all these public outreach doing them on site in the middle of the summer, too.

1228
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:11,730
So it went really good.

1229
01:35:15,230 --> 01:35:18,390
Here's some images from some of the boards.

1230
01:35:18,650 --> 01:35:20,430
So we had three different stations set up.

1231
01:35:21,170 --> 01:35:25,750
this first station that you see right here we had some amenity boards so we just

1232
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:29,510
invited people to take a bunch of sticky dots and you know tell us what your

1233
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:33,270
favorite picture is that you're looking at here you know what are you most

1234
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:38,930
excited about and you can kind of see you know playground sports courts really

1235
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:43,490
kind of hit the top and then shade up in the upper left-hand corner shade

1236
01:35:44,330 --> 01:35:51,230
We hear that a ton, so, and then, again, the second station, like we did on

1237
01:35:51,230 --> 01:35:55,110
Amber Ridge, we did kind of a fun one where you design your park, so we got a lot

1238
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:58,390
of participation with that, you know, break out the markers and let people

1239
01:35:58,390 --> 01:36:01,470
pretend to be a landscape architect for a day. We need more landscape

1240
01:36:01,470 --> 01:36:04,770
architects, so I'm trying to train them up, get them excited to go into the

1241
01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:09,570
profession. But, again, we really seen some fun stuff, you know, like down on the

1242
01:36:09,570 --> 01:36:14,390
bottom that second one from the from the left. You know, there was somebody was

1243
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:18,470
drawing in some monkey bars in a swing. You know, some of these others, they're

1244
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:22,110
starting to think about how spaces are laid out. You know, big open spaces, maybe

1245
01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:26,470
the playground in the center, basketball courts, the sports courts, those type of

1246
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:31,570
uses. We heard very similar responses to Amber Ridge. So it's we're walking to

1247
01:36:31,570 --> 01:36:36,150
the park. Our neighborhood has a lot of different age groups. So it's not really

1248
01:36:36,150 --> 01:36:42,250
defined to young kids, old kids. It's very broad. So we want walking trails, we want shade,

1249
01:36:42,610 --> 01:36:48,890
we want playgrounds, and sport courts. So basketball court, that came up again. That

1250
01:36:48,890 --> 01:36:56,230
was a very popular topic that we kept hearing. This is our third station, so we had somebody

1251
01:36:56,230 --> 01:37:00,170
station there and we were just talking to people. And so these were some of the responses

1252
01:37:00,170 --> 01:37:06,130
that we got. So how do you use the park now? Well, we don't because it's too boring. It's

1253
01:37:06,130 --> 01:37:11,170
program out. Again, we don't want to program this to where it's going to be a community

1254
01:37:11,170 --> 01:37:14,750
or regional type of park. This needs to be a neighborhood park use. We don't want

1255
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:21,130
to bring people from all over, you know, Sedgwick County into this park because it's, you know,

1256
01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:25,190
got some use that's not normally seen in the playground. We don't want to in a data.

1257
01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:30,890
But if you look at that next column, what would make you visit more often? Swings. We hear

1258
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:35,910
swings a lot shade in the sports courts. Those were the things that we kept hearing over

1259
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:36,230
and over.

1260
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:44,100
Okay, so we'll just kind of walk you through, so that was the first public outreach.

1261
01:37:44,540 --> 01:37:49,020
The second one, so we took all the information that we heard from them, and we created

1262
01:37:49,460 --> 01:37:53,760
two concepts, and we brought these concepts to the public, and just basically talked

1263
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,640
through the different design options with them. And we tried to do two distinct design options.

1264
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:04,320
These are both based on the same budgets, but we wanted to be creative and just really

1265
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,340
see where people are at and then you know ultimately what pieces and parts do you like from

1266
01:38:08,340 --> 01:38:13,680
those design options so this first option here is I consider this more of a traditional style

1267
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:19,920
of park it has a very large open lawn space which is that dark green kind of wraps around the

1268
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,780
bottom and then over to the east side we've got a basketball court so we're trying to center the

1269
01:38:24,780 --> 01:38:30,420
basketball court into the middle of the park keep it away from the street so we don't have balls

1270
01:38:30,420 --> 01:38:34,860
you know, accidentally flying out in the street. So that safety aspect. And then the noise,

1271
01:38:35,020 --> 01:38:38,880
you know, making sure that we don't put the basketball court too close to some of the neighbors

1272
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:47,660
either. Playground. So this one has a fairly large playground. It's probably about 50% larger than

1273
01:38:47,660 --> 01:38:57,820
the playground that's there now. What we heard was that, bless you, is that we, they really are looking

1274
01:38:57,820 --> 01:39:02,420
for a segmented playground option. So we have the two to five-year-old group, we have

1275
01:39:02,420 --> 01:39:08,020
the five to twelve, and then, you know, some intermediate spaces. So that's kind of

1276
01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:14,100
how this design was looking. As you can kind of see in the playground option here too,

1277
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:20,500
we have berm play, some mounting and stuff like that. So try to really give as much imagination

1278
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:25,740
and, you know, creativity to this playground as we could. There's also a small steel shelter

1279
01:39:25,740 --> 01:39:28,580
that would have a couple of picnic tables underneath of it.

1280
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:33,280
We are showing an off-street handicap accessible parking space

1281
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,080
so we can really play up that inclusive fatigue of the space.

1282
01:39:37,220 --> 01:39:39,800
So if somebody needs to drive and they need that wheelchair accessibility

1283
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,320
we have that space off the street form.

1284
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,980
And then just kind of the way that the connection is with the sidewalks.

1285
01:39:47,020 --> 01:39:49,940
You can kind of see as you're coming from the south down the sidewalk

1286
01:39:49,940 --> 01:39:51,940
it just pulls you right into the heart of the site

1287
01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:54,800
and then if you want to continue on walking around the neighborhood

1288
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,300
it just kind of appeals you off to the east. So really kind of thinking about

1289
01:39:58,300 --> 01:40:02,960
that the travel, the flow of how people would enter an exit and use the site as

1290
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:11,940
well. So that's the first option. Here's some imagery, some 3D images of the

1291
01:40:11,940 --> 01:40:12,320
site.

1292
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:19,940
The basketball court, you know, just a nice simple basketball court. We're kind

1293
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:23,360
of a half court. It's similar in style. The first one we showed you with Amber Ridge.

1294
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:30,740
so a circular court, nothing too large. On the playground itself, we're looking at using artificial

1295
01:40:30,740 --> 01:40:36,360
turf as the playground surfacing. That seems to be a very nice, you know, long term for maintenance

1296
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:42,420
and it's just easier to maintain. Okay, design option two. So where we were looking at more of a

1297
01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:47,920
traditional style neighborhood park, this one, we're looking at more of a nature style park. So it's,

1298
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:54,880
kind of we have more freeform type of shapes going on here and one of the focuses

1299
01:40:54,880 --> 01:41:00,900
of this really was the light green kind of in the center of everything is our

1300
01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:07,140
official turf but really creating more terrain play with it so you know

1301
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:09,960
thinking about how we could really push and pull that terrain around so like

1302
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,400
Madison Avenue Central Park you know that has so much elevation change something

1303
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:20,540
similar here. And then we would do more nature play elements. So maybe some log climbers.

1304
01:41:21,580 --> 01:41:25,660
We have a we call it a Fortress climber in the center. It's more of an arch. It's got

1305
01:41:25,660 --> 01:41:31,180
some ropes attached to it, but kind of a nontraditional style of play. We also we have the swings.

1306
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:36,700
We have to have swings. So we've got the swings covered, but just trying to think outside

1307
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:41,280
the box, you know, on some of these other styles of play. And one of the the difference

1308
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:45,280
makers on this one that we really heard that we that everybody liked was the

1309
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,660
shaded option. So over on the east side on the right hand side of the image we're

1310
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:55,500
using some shade sales instead of a steel shelter. Something different, right?

1311
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:00,040
And what's nice about the shade sales is dollar for dollar. You can expand the

1312
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:04,400
area that you cover with the shade. They just cover more square footage than what

1313
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:09,700
a steel shelter does. And it's also kind of a more of a free form seating area. So

1314
01:42:09,700 --> 01:42:15,160
So we have some fixed tables underneath of there, but it's kind of off to the side, tucked

1315
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,240
in off the side.

1316
01:42:17,140 --> 01:42:21,180
You'll also see some of the trees, so we've added a lot of trees, so the shaded areas

1317
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:21,660
around there.

1318
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:28,300
Again, we still have that dark green lawn, so that would be more of a manicured lawn just

1319
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:30,920
for soccer or whatever you want to play.

1320
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:37,500
Here's some images of it, so this is kind of shooting back towards that center of the player.

1321
01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:42,180
You can really see the terrain, the Birmingham, how we're kind of envisioning that with this option.

1322
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:47,600
And we're also showing some native grasses, trying to think through that maintenance.

1323
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:50,840
You know, I realized native grasses are a pain to get established.

1324
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:56,440
It takes a long time to get them. But once you get them going, it's a lot less maintenance for staff here.

1325
01:42:57,220 --> 01:43:00,980
So we were showing that option and kind of hugging this whole area.

1326
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:02,880
So it kind of creates that experience, too.

1327
01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:06,160
You can see the shade shelters in the background there.

1328
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,340
and here's kind of a close-up looking back towards the playground from the shaded

1329
01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:13,300
shade shelters there so

1330
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:24,290
we listened and what we heard was that most people like

1331
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:30,350
that freeform space but with the more traditional style of play so and with

1332
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:35,410
a basketball court. That option too did not have a basketball court and we heard

1333
01:43:35,410 --> 01:43:41,030
basketball court. So we took those comments and created this version. So we have

1334
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:45,550
more of this nature style with a basketball court and traditional style of

1335
01:43:45,550 --> 01:43:50,230
play. So that's kind of where we've landed. This is this is what I would

1336
01:43:50,230 --> 01:43:54,050
recommend as the option that we move forward with. This seems like this is what

1337
01:43:54,050 --> 01:43:58,890
the community was really after. It'll be unique. I don't know if any you know

1338
01:43:58,890 --> 01:44:03,210
neighborhood parks around here that would be kind of style like this. So and again

1339
01:44:03,210 --> 01:44:05,830
it's within that budget that we've been aiming for.

1340
01:44:07,410 --> 01:44:10,250
Here's an image of the play equipment that we placed in there.

1341
01:44:10,710 --> 01:44:12,830
So this would be the five to twelve style of play.

1342
01:44:13,070 --> 01:44:16,750
So it's got some platforms, it's got some ropes and some slides.

1343
01:44:16,990 --> 01:44:17,970
Get you up in the air a little bit.

1344
01:44:19,170 --> 01:44:21,610
And then this would be the two to five year old play.

1345
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:26,250
So it's got some play panels against some platforms, not as high up in the air.

1346
01:44:28,300 --> 01:44:33,520
And then, you know, similar imagery to what we've seen with that option number two.

1347
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:44,700
with shade shelters, fabric shade shelters, and we are with this option, we are reducing the amount of native grasses considerably down from what we were generally showing.

1348
01:44:47,330 --> 01:44:51,270
So that's the options that we put together. You want to wrap up Eric?

1349
01:44:52,030 --> 01:44:52,250
All right.

1350
01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:59,770
Thank you, Nick. Yeah, we really took the two concepts and we blended them.

1351
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:59,990
And that was...

1352
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,000
The parks and the enforcement board and the community were like, we like this and we like this and then push them together. And that's what we did the best we could. And so we are here before you to say, get your thoughts. And then obviously from there, we'll finalize the design. We'll get the construction documents started. We'll start review plan. And we're still working on the vacation, the easement vacation. Then we'll roll in the bid process and next year we'll start building something. So we're really excited to have this in front of you and look forward to hearing your thoughts.

1353
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:37,520
Council member Neal. Thank you Mayor. Is this location have irrigation wells like the other one did?

1354
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:43,220
There won't be irrigation on this one. That was an option that was pulled out when we changed the plants.

1355
01:45:43,660 --> 01:45:49,020
Okay. Did that third one? Did it still have a pretty big green area on that one side though?

1356
01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:55,480
Yeah, okay. Now I think that's awesome just combining kind of what they wanted and adding another

1357
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:59,960
basketball court. I think it looks great and if it's in the budget, I mean, again, just

1358
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:04,700
like last time, if this is what the community kind of is wanting, I think that's what we

1359
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:09,000
should give them. So, good job. Councilmember Moul.

1360
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:15,940
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, great job. I hear basketball courts time and time again, so I like

1361
01:46:15,940 --> 01:46:19,520
the fact that we've integrated that. The two questions I have is there a water fountain

1362
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:24,160
with version three? Yes, there is. Okay. I just didn't see it.

1363
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,340
Drinking fountain is actually, let me say, can you do this right?

1364
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,340
Oh, no, hang on.

1365
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:32,120
I should learn and hang on.

1366
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,440
I saw Kyle do so good, then I failed miserably, so it's right there.

1367
01:46:36,780 --> 01:46:36,960
Okay.

1368
01:46:37,540 --> 01:46:42,460
And then the only other thing is there's no handicap ADA's parking spot with this is that's

1369
01:46:42,460 --> 01:46:44,240
something we need to consider as well.

1370
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:48,220
As we tighten the plan up, we will see if we have the funds for that.

1371
01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:53,020
But the ADA parking spot costs, if we can fit it into the budget, we're going to try to

1372
01:46:53,020 --> 01:46:55,120
and that's an important feature, I think.

1373
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:57,300
Or is it something we can come back and do later?

1374
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:59,780
We can always potentially do it later if we need.

1375
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,020
And then on the one that I saw,

1376
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:01,980
we only had one spot.

1377
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,080
Is that the recommendation that's normal,

1378
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,500
or would it be, I mean, I think of one spot

1379
01:47:06,500 --> 01:47:08,360
and I was like, well, is that always the wisest?

1380
01:47:08,380 --> 01:47:09,320
Is it better to have two?

1381
01:47:10,300 --> 01:47:12,680
I know it's more money, but just asking the question.

1382
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:13,940
Yeah, that's a great question.

1383
01:47:14,420 --> 01:47:17,720
And what we found, and what I found in 20 years

1384
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,760
of doing this, is that really if we provide one,

1385
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:26,520
one. It's rarely used, but when it is used, it's used correctly. Okay. I've not, I've put

1386
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:31,560
a lot of parks in different places. We've, if we've had to add one, we had one spot

1387
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:35,780
and I've never had someone come and say, well, you need two more because they just appreciate

1388
01:47:35,780 --> 01:47:39,860
to have the one. And then there's very rarely is there a cross when there's more than one

1389
01:47:39,860 --> 01:47:43,940
there. And just in my years of experience doing this. So I agree. I figured that that would

1390
01:47:43,940 --> 01:47:49,180
be the case of misuse if there's more than one to use it. Well, great job. I mean, this

1391
01:47:49,180 --> 01:47:51,820
This is, I really like the fact I like the opportunity that we're providing.

1392
01:47:52,180 --> 01:47:55,860
I really love the community feedback opportunity that we provide the ice cream social

1393
01:47:55,860 --> 01:47:56,080
act.

1394
01:47:56,300 --> 01:47:57,480
It's a really great job.

1395
01:47:58,060 --> 01:48:01,620
I assume that you saw a lot of people walking to this event like the last one.

1396
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:03,000
Simply a very similar.

1397
01:48:03,220 --> 01:48:06,580
We could watch them walk down the street to us, and then we watched them all walk home where

1398
01:48:06,580 --> 01:48:09,660
the kids ride their bike to us, and then disappear back behind the houses.

1399
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,880
Nobody mentioned restrooms either, so that's even a bigger bonus too.

1400
01:48:13,060 --> 01:48:14,240
So yeah, I love this.

1401
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:18,400
So I like option three personally, I don't know what everybody else feels like, but I'll make

1402
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:22,680
the motion to provide feedback on the Glenhill Park concepts and direct staff to move forward

1403
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,820
with final design and construction bidding documents.

1404
01:48:26,970 --> 01:48:28,210
We have a motion in a second.

1405
01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:29,070
Councilmember Ryan.

1406
01:48:30,810 --> 01:48:31,210
Thank you, Mayor.

1407
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:35,290
I also really like option three.

1408
01:48:35,410 --> 01:48:38,610
I like the combination of pieces from both of them.

1409
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:44,250
Just looking at the option one and two, it looks like there was a land like a manicured

1410
01:48:44,250 --> 01:48:44,570
lawn.

1411
01:48:44,730 --> 01:48:45,730
Was that supposed to be?

1412
01:48:46,270 --> 01:48:50,770
option one there was and that was the manicure lawn was actually going to be a

1413
01:48:50,770 --> 01:48:54,910
well with irrigation but because of the price and the keep us within budget we

1414
01:48:54,910 --> 01:48:57,830
either would take that off the. I just wanted to make sure I understood that

1415
01:48:57,830 --> 01:49:04,210
correctly and I do like the addition of the basketball court I think that is

1416
01:49:04,210 --> 01:49:09,550
going to be well used. I know my 14-year-old son loves basketball right now so

1417
01:49:10,190 --> 01:49:15,130
ever changing can he has a basketball in his hand so I'm I'm on board with

1418
01:49:15,130 --> 01:49:16,750
option number three, so thank you.

1419
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:23,040
Councilmember Webster. Thank you, Mayor. Again, thank

1420
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,680
you guys both Nick and Eric for your guys' work on this. I think this is awesome. Thank

1421
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:32,320
you for asking about the handicap because that was something I was worried but still accessible

1422
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:37,180
to those handicap. We just won't have a handicap spot, correct? Absolutely, yes. Just want to make

1423
01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:41,000
sure that that's out there in the public that it will still be able to be played on by those

1424
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:46,100
with a handicap. So just want to make sure that we're covering that base. And like I said,

1425
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:48,660
But it is a neighborhood, I think this is cool, I think this is unique.

1426
01:49:49,220 --> 01:49:52,680
Right now you drive by it and you're like, oh, what did we even think about this?

1427
01:49:53,020 --> 01:49:57,880
I know that it's the way that those associations give to us that are plotted for us.

1428
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:03,100
But this will definitely change that corner and I'm super excited to see that the kids will

1429
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:05,120
have somewhere in their neighborhood to do.

1430
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:06,100
So great job.

1431
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,700
I was just going to add on the parking discussion because they did a good job of covering

1432
01:50:10,700 --> 01:50:11,020
it.

1433
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:14,560
but both Amber Ridge and this park have on-street parking.

1434
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,260
So that'll be the majority of what we use.

1435
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:19,080
You know, and these are neighborhood parks.

1436
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:21,840
I think when we have the discussion of our community parks

1437
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,360
and where we provide parking lots, you know,

1438
01:50:24,660 --> 01:50:27,500
and larger parking structures in these neighborhood parks,

1439
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:31,880
it's more about they'll have an ADA accessible sidewalk

1440
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,940
to be able to get to an ADA accessible place structure.

1441
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,500
But yeah, whether we can fit in a dedicated,

1442
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:39,900
we can look at that, but I think that's intentional.

1443
01:50:39,900 --> 01:50:44,740
So we don't want to carve out a lot of park land to create parking because most people

1444
01:50:44,740 --> 01:50:48,200
similar to the community meeting will walk there and utilize these.

1445
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:54,020
So I know it's been a conscious effort of Robert Poghorson now, Eric, when he's there

1446
01:50:54,020 --> 01:50:58,820
of like, we want connectivity and walkability and that's kind of the key with these neighborhood

1447
01:50:58,820 --> 01:50:59,240
parks.

1448
01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:07,420
Okay, we do have a motion in the second.

1449
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:08,960
Any further discussion?

1450
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:12,000
Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

1451
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:12,660
Aye.

1452
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:13,560
Opposed, same sign.

1453
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:14,220
Motion carries.

1454
01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:14,840
6-0.

1455
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:15,900
Thank you, gentlemen.

1456
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:16,360
Thank you.

1457
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:19,400
Councilmember Webster.

1458
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:20,580
Thank you, Mayor.

1459
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:24,000
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion for executive session.

1460
01:51:24,460 --> 01:51:26,840
I move to take a five minute break.

1461
01:51:26,980 --> 01:51:28,340
Everybody need a five minute break.

1462
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:29,860
Okay, perfect.

1463
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:34,440
We'll take a five minute break to recess and to executive session where city management

1464
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:38,780
and city attorney for 20 minutes regarding consultation.

1465
01:51:38,780 --> 01:51:44,420
was City Attorney on matters which would be deemed privileged under the attorney client relationship

1466
01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:54,160
pursuits to KSA 75-4319 B2, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that for the proposed

1467
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:57,840
purpose of discussing wow and

1468
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,660
receiving legal

1469
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:01,920
advice on potential

1470
01:52:02,650 --> 01:52:08,760
contract relationships in terms the open meeting will convene in the council room and

1471
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:21,380
813 18 yes five minutes sorry thank you we have a motion and a second all in

1472
01:52:21,380 --> 01:52:27,440
favor say aye both same sign so it's an executive session let the

1473
01:52:33,940 --> 01:52:34,600
record show

1474
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:39,180
that the meeting did reconvene at 818 and let the record show that no binding

1475
01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:41,520
Any action was taken in the executive session?

1476
01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:44,600
I make a motion to adjourn.

1477
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:44,940
Second.

1478
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,780
We have a motion to adjourn in a second.

1479
01:52:47,900 --> 01:52:48,640
All in favor say aye.

1480
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:49,500
Opposed?

1481
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:50,160
Same sign.

1482
01:52:50,660 --> 01:52:53,000
Motion carries 6-0 meeting adjourned.