1 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:54,159 and got a relatively short agenda, but 2 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:56,079 there's 3 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:04,550 going to some 4 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,079 I don't know if you got a chance to take 5 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:08,319 a look at this, but going over this and 6 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:12,239 just making This wording is absolutely 7 00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:16,319 because this will go to the council and 8 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:20,160 the city manager set up a meeting for uh 9 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,350 >> Can you pull the microphone a little 10 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:21,360 » Can you pull the microphone a little 11 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,400 closer so you're picked up? 12 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:22,949 >> Okay. 13 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:22,959 » Okay. 14 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:25,030 >> Thank you. 15 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:25,040 » Thank you. 16 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,030 >> For set up a meeting for January. It's 17 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:29,040 » For set up a meeting for January. It's 18 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Thursday, January 22nd, right? 19 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,110 >> And that's when we will take a work plan 20 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:35,120 » And that's when we will take a work plan 21 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,720 to the city council and do a brief 22 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,680 presentation and There will be a 23 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,879 discussion at that time. U so anyway 24 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:48,160 uh I'm going to actually uh delay I 25 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,000 think we should delay the approval of 26 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,760 the minutes because that's we need to go 27 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,519 over that and make sure that wording is 28 00:02:53,519 --> 00:02:55,599 exactly what we want it to be before we 29 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,599 approve that. So I'll jump right to item 30 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,560 two, the start meeting update. U there's 31 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,400 a general meeting on Wednesday that 32 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,640 anybody can uh zoom into 33 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,239 and I don't really I haven't 34 00:03:14,239 --> 00:03:16,159 received the agenda yet. Did you 35 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:17,509 >> I thought it was tonight. 36 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:17,519 » I thought it was tonight. 37 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:18,869 >> Well, yeah, there's a policy 38 00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:18,879 » Well, yeah, there's a policy 39 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:19,670 >> policy tonight. 40 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:19,680 » policy tonight. 41 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,910 >> There's a noise working group tonight. 42 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:21,920 » There's a noise working group tonight. 43 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,509 >> Tonight and then the regular meeting is 44 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:23,519 » Tonight and then the regular meeting is 45 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:24,080 Wednesday. 46 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,670 >> Wednesday. Yeah. 47 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:25,680 » Wednesday. Yeah. 48 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,430 >> And what were time six? 49 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:27,440 » And what were time six? 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,509 >> Uh it's the same time. 51 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:29,519 » Uh it's the same time. 52 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,440 Yeah. Five. 53 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:39,350 >> Okay. And uh so uh the only um 54 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:39,360 » Okay. And uh so uh the only um 55 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,599 the anything from the start is just 56 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:44,799 basically uh uh the reports they are 57 00:03:44,799 --> 00:03:47,760 putting out on their their regular 58 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,120 reports they put out. So I don't really 59 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,360 have anything new. U the SAMP update is 60 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,519 uh I don't know if any of you saw the 61 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:00,879 lead story in the times. 62 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:01,509 >> Oh yes, 63 00:04:01,509 --> 00:04:01,519 » Oh yes, 64 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:03,350 >> but that was 65 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:03,360 » but that was 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,830 >> that was a pretty good article on 67 00:04:05,830 --> 00:04:05,840 » that was a pretty good article on 68 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:06,799 summarize things. 69 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:08,949 >> Yeah. 70 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:08,959 » Yeah. 71 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:13,360 So that's where that's at the city and 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,200 three you know the last time we talked 73 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,959 about the ILA between CAC and 74 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:23,440 Mo and apparently that all was signed 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,000 sealed and delivered and 76 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,120 the lawyers got the appeal in on time. 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,550 >> So that's rolling along. I don't but 78 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:32,560 » So that's rolling along. I don't but 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,080 it's probably a pretty long process. 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,310 >> Um 81 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:38,320 » Um 82 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,000 takeaway I got from that u 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,520 is 84 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,800 and Jeff you got it Jeff it's basically 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,320 u hey folks uh we have to build the we 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,960 have to accommodate rising demand period 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,520 and we start with that and if you guys 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,120 don't go along with it that's kind of 89 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,120 too bad but we have to do it anyway. 90 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Yeah, I and and the demand will be here. 91 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:09,440 That's kind of a given. And and the FAA, 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,479 I'm sorry, and the FAA uh requirements 93 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:17,440 um are given. 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,639 So then somehow we have to make the case 95 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:26,550 that we're disproportionately impacted. 96 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,840 » Well, it'll be an interesting 97 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:28,880 discussion. 98 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,800 I uh 99 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,520 I I 100 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,199 going through that article and just 101 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,759 taking a few notes just seemed to me 102 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:40,400 like 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:49,189 often in process in a process like this 104 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,520 on a number 105 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,440 of 106 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,430 >> the real thing. Yeah. Yeah. 107 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:55,440 » the real thing. Yeah. Yeah. 108 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,749 >> That's right. 109 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:57,759 » That's right. 110 00:05:57,759 --> 00:05:59,680 I think I think that's one of the first 111 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,039 questions I'd like to 112 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:05,280 get an answer to is where did the number 113 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,720 come from where did 114 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,919 they came by 2032 115 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:14,790 >> 56 yeah we're 52 million it'll be 56 116 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:14,800 » 56 yeah we're 52 million it'll be 56 117 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,600 million in two more years in 2030 yeah 118 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,550 >> where did they get that 119 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,120 it has to be some way population growth 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,960 I would imagine 121 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,830 >> they've done I mean I've seen studies 122 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:31,840 » they've done I mean I've seen studies 123 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:36,720 done that just kind of blly extrapolate 124 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 without taking into consideration 125 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,400 hiccups like COVID and other things that 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,720 can occur you know I think they've taken 127 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,880 the um trend line tried to extend it um 128 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,560 as best they could from population 129 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,240 growth which is probably somewhat 130 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,120 predictable based on economy but the uh 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,720 number of associated increase in flights 132 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,479 is a little more difficult uh to um uh 133 00:07:02,479 --> 00:07:05,759 really uh get a handle on and it's kind 134 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:09,520 of a slow role as u new perhaps 135 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 technology and and the new taxi way 136 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,599 implementation additional gates and all 137 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:15,919 that kind of stuff and I think that um 138 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:18,080 they're going to explore where they can 139 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,560 move capacity up but you know that 140 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,759 number is harder to get to um and is not 141 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:25,919 going to increase at the same 142 00:07:25,919 --> 00:07:28,000 as the estimated population. So you kind 143 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,280 of wonder where it's going to fall in. 144 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,199 But whatever is going to happen, we are 145 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,039 looking at larger numbers in the area of 146 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:37,599 maybe 10% or perhaps more. Um 147 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:40,319 not too far. 148 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:41,759 When I was reading that, I was sort of 149 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:44,240 thinking about you 150 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,840 because it occurred to me that I mean 151 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,840 there's only 152 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,919 if you're going to 153 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:55,199 million people 154 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,520 through the building. That's just 155 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,230 the other side. 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,680 It seems to me like the only way you're 157 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,440 going to get more people more people in 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:18,390 that airport 159 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,520 take off landing or you have to have 160 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,680 more land. Well, there going to be more 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,800 takeoff and landings. I don't think 162 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,160 they're going to have I don't think the 163 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,680 planes are going to change much, but you 164 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,759 will see uh if they can get if they can 165 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:31,520 get their planes off the runways on off 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,479 the runways more efficiently um and do 167 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:37,919 it safely andor reduce separation due to 168 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,719 turbulence and uh utilize uh parallel 169 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:43,760 runways um mixed approaches uh more 170 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,279 effectively. 171 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,150 >> Uh you know, nextG is coming. Uh the FA 172 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:48,160 » Uh you know, nextG is coming. Uh the FA 173 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,320 is well funded to uh continue to move on 174 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,440 with that. 175 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,519 It's not a direct relationship between 176 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:54,480 technology. Now, there's some 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,200 limitations there, but uh yeah, there's 178 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,200 going to definitely be an increase um 179 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,959 for sure. And you can see when they 180 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:02,240 really hit it and they were able to use 181 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,560 all their runways effectively parallel 182 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,720 or staggered, uh they can increase their 183 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,080 numbers up to um you know, they can run 184 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,320 as many as 185 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,480 one every 60 seconds, one every 45 186 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,640 seconds when they're hitting it hard. 187 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,040 and um and they want to and if they use 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,800 all their runways, they can really move 189 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,279 that number up a little bit. 190 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:26,389 >> But am I wrong to say that it is 191 00:09:26,389 --> 00:09:26,399 » But am I wrong to say that it is 192 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:32,710 contingent on completion of the next gen 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,640 » which they have? It sounded like that 194 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,440 wasn't wholly in place yet. Uh yeah, 195 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,040 NextGen has a has a long history of 196 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,440 improvements. Uh but some of the taxiway 197 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,200 improvements that are in SAMP right now 198 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,000 are critical to getting the uh aircraft 199 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,680 off the runway more quickly. 200 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,269 >> Um and they don't they don't have that 201 00:09:51,269 --> 00:09:51,279 » Um and they don't they don't have that 202 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:52,640 capacity right now. They have to run to 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,160 the ends and that slows things down. 204 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,160 They have to cross. Those new taxiways 205 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,920 are really the key, one of the key 206 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,480 components to getting those uh planes 207 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,399 off effectively, efficiently. Plus more 208 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:04,080 open gates so there's no delays. They 209 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,600 get right to the gate. They have to wait 210 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,480 in gates. backs up. They slow things 211 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,360 down. They will slow things down. 212 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,399 The other thing that occurred to me 213 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:15,920 was 214 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:32,150 the airlines 215 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,680 and I don't why is 216 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:44,710 Of course, one of our big issues is 217 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,519 but isn't it again it doesn't I can't 218 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,000 imagine that the airlines want to we're 219 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,320 going to absorb 220 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,880 four more people million more people I 221 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,160 don't think they want to tell them oh 222 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,910 yeah 223 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,240 » well a lot of that is union contracts 224 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,487 too that that 225 00:11:05,487 --> 00:11:05,509 >> [snorts] 226 00:11:05,509 --> 00:11:05,519 » [snorts] 227 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:06,710 >> set that time frame. 228 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:06,720 » set that time frame. 229 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,829 >> Sure. Yeah. 230 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:09,839 » Sure. Yeah. 231 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:11,839 So, 232 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:13,920 what we're really saying is that most of 233 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,600 those additional operations are going to 234 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,590 come, 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,360 which I guess is probably good for us, 236 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,800 but is it even possible? 237 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,230 >> Well, they're not up to capacity now. 238 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:26,240 » Well, they're not up to capacity now. 239 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,079 The runway is going to take more planes. 240 00:11:28,079 --> 00:11:29,839 Uh, so they certainly can run. Imagine 241 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:34,000 if they could run uh um just maybe 10 242 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,440 more planes um in um you know they're 243 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,279 looking at trying to get the number of 244 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:41,600 flights up late night flights um not 245 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,440 changing very much. If you look at the 246 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,360 numbers in the studies that's not going 247 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,600 to change too much. Um and we need to 248 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,279 ensure that that they maintain that um 249 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,000 strategy. Uh that's important um as a 250 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,200 remedy and um and then uh they can up 251 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,760 the number of flights uh per hour. So 252 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,200 they're trying to get like you know 253 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,440 maybe up to a hundred more flights per 254 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,120 day that will make that that will that 255 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,800 will hit those estimates. 100 flights 256 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,880 per day you're talking about you know a 257 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,680 few more per hour uh which is several 258 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:13,680 more you know you know you take another 259 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,680 every 15 seconds you might get another 260 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,880 flight in. Um and so run on some run 261 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,800 some parallel approaches, staggered 262 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,880 approaches, mix, you know, when they fly 263 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,320 when we're in north flow, we have a lot 264 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,760 of south flow landings and takeoffs. Um 265 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,920 they're if they can effectively make all 266 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,399 that work for them, um they can up that 267 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,519 number of flights, but um um and so it's 268 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,160 all quite doable. Um whether you can 269 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,200 accommodate, you know, 20 more million 270 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,440 people is kind of a big question mark to 271 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,639 me. Um but um but they can to hit that 272 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:49,200 curve. you know, um I'm hoping that the 273 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,320 remedy as we look through the um uh 274 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,040 environmental studies that the remedies, 275 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,959 and everybody kind of knows my take, the 276 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:01,279 remedy is that we um uh do not allow 277 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:04,399 more flights, that we leave everything 278 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:07,040 um in the way and make it no worse, do 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,160 no more harm until we have solid studies 280 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,560 on sound um uh pollution, health effects 281 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:20,399 um that can be um highly um uh that are 282 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,079 that are based on scientific evidence 283 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:23,600 that if that it's not going to create 284 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,760 more harm for the community. And until 285 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,680 that's done, we should not be increasing 286 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,639 flights any more flights. Um and that 287 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,040 would be um that would be a remedy. 288 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,320 You'll note that, you know, we're 289 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,120 starting this starting these um uh 290 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,440 appeals, but there were no remedies in 291 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,399 any of the documents that I saw. Um so 292 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:44,639 I'm hoping to provide feedback. The 293 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:48,160 remedy you would you would advocate is 294 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,360 is no more 295 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,430 >> do more do no more harm, right? 296 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:51,440 » do more do no more harm, right? 297 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,629 >> Yeah. I think let's 298 00:13:52,629 --> 00:13:52,639 » Yeah. I think let's 299 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,550 >> if you want to build a new terminal, be 300 00:13:54,550 --> 00:13:54,560 » if you want to build a new terminal, be 301 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:55,279 my guest. 302 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:58,949 >> Prove that it's not going to harm folks 303 00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:58,959 » Prove that it's not going to harm folks 304 00:13:58,959 --> 00:13:59,839 healthwise. 305 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:00,389 >> Yeah. 306 00:14:00,389 --> 00:14:00,399 » Yeah. 307 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:01,509 >> Um anymore. 308 00:14:01,509 --> 00:14:01,519 » Um anymore. 309 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,870 >> Is there any is there any usefulness in 310 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:04,880 » Is there any is there any usefulness in 311 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,360 asking the question, 312 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,880 is it even necessary? 313 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,600 I mean, if 314 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,399 if it's dependent if that extra 100 315 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,199 flights a day is dependent on the next 316 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:21,279 gen being completed 317 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:24,399 and we really you say it's well but 318 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:28,320 given the circumstances we have right 319 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,480 now the fact that any reasonable person 320 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,720 could look at that and say regardless of 321 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,320 who's in charge there's still going to 322 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,040 be problems 323 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,720 can we count on nextg being done 324 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,480 at the time when all these come online. 325 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,710 >> Well, NextGen's already well deep into, 326 00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:46,720 » Well, NextGen's already well deep into, 327 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,680 you know, maturity. So, um I they've 328 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,199 already they've already reduced 329 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:54,160 separation standards. Um they've already 330 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,000 um uh they're putting new surface 331 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,680 surveillance system and CATX has some of 332 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,320 the best around uh that allow them to uh 333 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,560 really tighten up the number of flights 334 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,519 and um but wake turbulence distances 335 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:06,880 still need to be maintained. You can't 336 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,760 fix and change that. Um but they can get 337 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,040 the um flow metrics uh really precise. 338 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,269 >> Well, let me sharpen up the question 339 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:15,279 » Well, let me sharpen up the question 340 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,160 right now. Sometimes 341 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,550 brushing my teeth and I can look out 342 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,360 and I see two airplanes. [clears throat] 343 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,389 I look at it. 344 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:32,480 » When am I going to be looking out there 345 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,880 and see? 346 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,639 you know, they are um they are 347 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:39,199 authorized for triple approaches. Um 348 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:40,560 they don't do it very often because it's 349 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,920 hard to get the planes off the runway, 350 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,199 all three of them off the runway at the 351 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:44,160 same time. So, they can't really hit 352 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,680 that fast. But in the summertime, you'll 353 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,600 note that when it's really good weather, 354 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,240 uh the winds are light uh to none. Um 355 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,480 they um they have done triple 356 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,839 approaches. If you look at the data, 357 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:55,440 they've done triple approaches before, 358 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,600 so it does happen. Or or the two and 359 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,440 then one staggered behind it. You'll see 360 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,399 that happen. Um the mix though is you 361 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:03,759 can have planes coming and when they're 362 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:05,440 really hitting it, they can land north 363 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,000 and south at the same time and just 364 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,800 stagger them in um as best they can. And 365 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,399 when they get these new taxi ways in, I 366 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:13,440 think they're going to explore how to do 367 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,600 that more effectively. So um you know, 368 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,870 >> so they could do a lot of these 369 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:18,880 » so they could do a lot of these 370 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,160 improvements they [clears throat] could 371 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,759 go ahead and do. They could put in 372 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,269 >> they don't need nextg right now. I mean, 373 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:23,279 » they don't need nextg right now. I mean, 374 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:24,949 >> yeah, they could do the additional taxi 375 00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:24,959 » yeah, they could do the additional taxi 376 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:27,279 rays and and they have the land and they 377 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,759 could even start on the new terminal. um 378 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:31,199 which would alleviate because how many 379 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:33,600 times I mean I you get in there I mean I 380 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,480 so last week I I date down and back to 381 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,839 San Jose I'm in the new D terminal and 382 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:42,320 go down there and I go this is odd and 383 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,560 guess what we hopped on a bus when and I 384 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,959 go really you know and and uh what is 385 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:54,800 yeah and and then um 386 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,320 and then down in San Jose was 387 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,639 interesting we were the last flight out 388 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:00,399 now I realized they have other airports 389 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,360 in the area was 5:00 p.m. in the in the 390 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,280 second terminal. We were the last that 391 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,880 was that was it. I would have taken a 392 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,520 7:00 flight home. If it was at 7, they 393 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,559 rush back and to get on that 5:00 flight 394 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:14,400 and then done. 395 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,870 >> That's it. 396 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:16,880 » That's it. 397 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Um uh so I think we have a um 398 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,240 a pretty big challenge um in trying to 399 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,600 maintain um a remedy like no more 400 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,240 flights or slot that slot system at 401 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,760 other airports use it that don't allow 402 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,919 any more flights. It's a hard hard 403 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:36,320 number. We don't CAC does not have a 404 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:36,799 hard number. 405 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,110 >> Why can't we that's what we're here for 406 00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:39,120 » Why can't we that's what we're here for 407 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,760 and you certainly I mean as a as one 408 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,960 remedy 409 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,470 >> it sounds like the message is that this 410 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:46,480 » it sounds like the message is that this 411 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,080 isn't something that's out 412 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,840 what I'm hearing you say this isn't out 413 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,760 in the future you know. Oh, no. They 414 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,950 >> This is stuff they do right now. 415 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:54,960 » This is stuff they do right now. 416 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Something. So, 417 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,190 >> yeah. I mean, look at look at the 418 00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:57,200 » yeah. I mean, look at look at the 419 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,080 summertime. I mean, they're really 420 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,000 hitting it. I've counted planes coming 421 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,760 every 45 seconds. I mean, they are 422 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,440 really hitting. Absolutely. 423 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,990 >> Um and and running up, you know, to you 424 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:06,000 » Um and and running up, you know, to you 425 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,240 know, over 2,000 flights a day, 426 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,600 something like that. Um and they can 427 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,679 really hit it hard. Uh when things are 428 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:14,080 just running well, you just hope for bad 429 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,919 weather all the time. And I will always 430 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:18,480 keep it nice and slow. [laughter] 431 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,510 >> So, half the year we're Okay. If we're 432 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:21,520 » So, half the year we're Okay. If we're 433 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,200 out in front of the public talking to 434 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840 our citizens, then the message is this 435 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,919 is something that's 436 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:31,270 now 437 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,960 future. This is what they're planning to 438 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240 do sometimes. 439 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,510 This is going to start with 440 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,039 » Yes, I think we need to do something 441 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:48,559 now. Um and um and hopefully um as it'd 442 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:49,760 be interesting to hear how the lawyers 443 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,039 think of a strategy and work the 444 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:53,760 strategy strategic issues once they um 445 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,919 once they be because I think they kind 446 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:57,360 of know what's coming. I think you can 447 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,520 pretty much understand what going to be 448 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,400 in the EIS's um and start talking about 449 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,640 what some of those remedies may be. 450 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,000 There are certainly other things that we 451 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,960 want to take care of trees and noise 452 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,360 abatement um and funding for all those 453 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:12,320 things 454 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,710 >> and reduce it but but not reducing the 455 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:14,720 » and reduce it but but not reducing the 456 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,000 number of flights but keeping it the 457 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,160 same um and do no more harm. Seems like 458 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,880 a a good, you know, that would be a good 459 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,440 goal to 460 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,430 >> Well, and they're talking about traffic. 461 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:25,440 » Well, and they're talking about traffic. 462 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,160 So, if one of their improvements is um 463 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,280 additional employee parking, plus you 464 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,679 you do have the light rail now that goes 465 00:19:35,679 --> 00:19:38,559 all the way down to Federal Way. So, 466 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,000 that's a mitigation. 467 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,830 >> Mitigating that, right? Traffic is being 468 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:41,840 » Mitigating that, right? Traffic is being 469 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,679 mitigated. And so I'm not a traffic 470 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:45,679 expert, but it seems like some of these 471 00:19:45,679 --> 00:19:47,120 mitigations are being [snorts] 472 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,080 addressed. Increased traffic. Um, you 473 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,360 know, what's not being addressed is 474 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,600 increased, you know, air traffic. 475 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,510 >> Yeah. But I like your point, Joe, that 476 00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:55,520 » Yeah. But I like your point, Joe, that 477 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,440 uh do we really know where these 478 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600 the the additional 479 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,039 demand is because gosh, how many 480 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:06,480 airports have we all been to where all 481 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,160 of a sudden the hub goes away? You know, 482 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,600 have you ever been out to Louisville? 483 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,200 That was where um some I can't remember 484 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,440 who was originally anchored there or St. 485 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Louis you know just tons of capacity 486 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,200 empty airports um you know compared to 487 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,240 what we got here 488 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,830 >> well one of the 489 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:23,840 » well one of the 490 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,430 >> but it could change 491 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:25,440 » but it could change 492 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,310 >> I think when I when I first started with 493 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:28,320 » I think when I when I first started with 494 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,559 start there was an representative at the 495 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:33,520 general meetings 496 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,070 >> okay 497 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:34,080 » okay 498 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,549 >> maybe even 499 00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:36,559 » maybe even 500 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:42,960 not so policy but I don't see airport 501 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,480 theory 502 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,400 and I think one of the the key things 503 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,600 and and I don't even know 504 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,320 how this is how you would even get the 505 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,320 number but I imagine that in the 506 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,400 boardroom someplace when they're you 507 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,640 know Alaska Airlines here you know how 508 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,400 many seats are we going to dedicate to 509 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,760 this airport whether they're talking 510 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,000 about Oakland or SeaTac or or 511 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,480 Juno or whatever. He said, "How many 512 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600 seats do we need 513 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,159 uh in that market area to suck up all 514 00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:21,360 you know to absorb all the demand?" 515 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,909 >> But I there there has to be some 516 00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:23,919 » But I there there has to be some 517 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:26,559 connection there between 518 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,799 um 519 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,799 what the airlines are 520 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,590 >> asking for. 521 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:31,600 » asking for. 522 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,990 >> Asking for exactly that's the word I'm 523 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:34,000 » Asking for exactly that's the word I'm 524 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,120 what are they asking? Uh and and I've 525 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,600 never it would be nice to be able to ask 526 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,520 that question. 527 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Is there a line outside your door from 528 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600 the airlines asking, you know, waiting, 529 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,039 you know, demanding more 530 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,039 operations at CTAC airport? 531 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:53,029 >> I I wouldn't be surprised because just 532 00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:53,039 » I I wouldn't be surprised because just 533 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,960 anecdotally traveling a lot for business 534 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,840 and and for family and stuff, I mean, I 535 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,480 fly Alaska exclusively. Every single 536 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,200 flight is full. 537 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,950 >> Yeah, our planes are packed. Not not 538 00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:02,960 » Yeah, our planes are packed. Not not 539 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,440 even not not even just to like you know 540 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,640 like I couple weeks ago to Atlanta you 541 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,159 know where they only have like two 542 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:13,360 flights a day but even back last month I 543 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,039 flew directly uh to Oklahoma City right 544 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,149 >> full 545 00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:18,159 » full 546 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:19,669 >> you know even to a smaller city to 547 00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:19,679 » you know even to a smaller city to 548 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:20,240 Oklahoma City 549 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,590 >> I know right 550 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:21,600 » I know right 551 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,870 >> you get off the plane and you start 552 00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:22,880 » you get off the plane and you start 553 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,159 wandering around Oklahoma City and 554 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,000 there's no one there's like why was this 555 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,440 plane so full 556 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,470 >> but um 557 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:28,480 » but um 558 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,470 >> well in southwest when I was in Chicago 559 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:30,480 » well in southwest when I was in Chicago 560 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,880 I always flew southwest And it was 561 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,880 always I mean they got it really down. 562 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,280 They were packed. And you're right about 563 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,200 uh um midweek to San Jose where I mean 564 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000 why are we you know it was a full I I 565 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,919 would I would think that I think that 566 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:47,600 the demand is there. You can just tell 567 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,280 by the number of folks moving through 568 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,320 the system. Um and if you require with 569 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,520 the airlines they're going to say yeah 570 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,240 and we want to fly more core hours too. 571 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,480 Um, you know, they they probably do 572 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,720 prefer to fly um uh as soon as more 573 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,880 approaches, get those planes filled up 574 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,120 and um and run. 575 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,149 >> But it would be but it would be 576 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:08,159 » But it would be but it would be 577 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,159 interesting to look at Delta and Alaska 578 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,400 and and kind of get under go behind the 579 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,039 numbers and see really is this how this 580 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,039 is being done and then the Hawaii 581 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:17,840 merger. You know, 582 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,870 >> I think there's a reason why they don't 583 00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:18,880 » I think there's a reason why they don't 584 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,640 show up to meetings. They're not going 585 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,559 to tell you those numbers. Yeah, 586 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:26,470 >> they may not feel they have much to add 587 00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:26,480 » they may not feel they have much to add 588 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,640 to the conversation starting 589 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,559 control like they're trying to increase 590 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,360 capacity, but I feel like 591 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,630 >> you mean a number of controllers. 592 00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:36,640 » you mean a number of controllers. 593 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,270 >> Yeah. 594 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:37,280 » Yeah. 595 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,710 >> Oh, sure. That's a problem. 596 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:38,720 » Oh, sure. That's a problem. 597 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,350 >> Yeah. 598 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:39,360 » Yeah. 599 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,270 >> Yeah. But that's a fix. That's that's 600 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:41,280 » Yeah. But that's a fix. That's that's 601 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,400 that is and that has caused a number of 602 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,520 delays, right? Um you know, and it does 603 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,760 I'm sure that affects capacity too. The 604 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,919 number flights that You only have so 605 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:53,039 many controllers. You can't handle as 606 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,190 many flights. 607 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 » But if you follow, you know, you're 608 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,039 exactly right. And so we're in a we're 609 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,480 kind of in a a period of time where 610 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,640 they're really struggling, but um 611 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,280 there's a big plan to hire train um 612 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280 that's massively coming on. You can see 613 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520 that. And again, the Pearson is very 614 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,039 well funded in the current government 615 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,720 situation. one of the few government 616 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,279 agencies that are you can if you read uh 617 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:18,960 carefully you'll see they're buying an 618 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,520 enormous amount of technology new 619 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,520 technology the complaints always been 620 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,400 there telecommunications is old some of 621 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,559 the equipment is quite old reliable but 622 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,039 old um and uh they plan on fixing all 623 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,080 that so there's going to be a lot of 624 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,600 ability to get get out of that problem 625 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,120 not enough control 626 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:44,630 >> so is that the fall 627 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,200 equipment failed. is that was a tele 628 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,880 that was that was a telecommunication 629 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840 problem um with the uh with the 630 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,360 providers 631 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,200 um not the FAA equipment but the 632 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200 providers of the intercommunication 633 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,159 systems um that's extremely complex 634 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:01,600 right you got satellites you got fiber 635 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,880 lines and you got it goes through all 636 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 sorts of cities and it got tangled up um 637 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,760 um but they're they're trying to redo 638 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,400 all that with more redundancy so um that 639 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,320 should be getting better so I think all 640 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,919 the all the things are in place to 641 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,919 support um um you know more um capacity 642 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:20,640 a more efficient um operation if they 643 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,360 can. So our again we are challenged to 644 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:24,640 um 645 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,110 >> so what we can do keep that down. 646 00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:27,120 » so what we can do keep that down. 647 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:31,830 >> Do we want to we need to pass this 648 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:31,840 » Do we want to we need to pass this 649 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,149 >> let's hit one more let's is there any 650 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:34,159 » let's hit one more let's is there any 651 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:35,520 more discussion on the samp here? 652 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,950 >> Well I handed out a flyer that I made 653 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:38,960 » Well I handed out a flyer that I made 654 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,559 that talks about the process between the 655 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,120 NEPA and TIFA. Um, it includes dates 656 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,559 that went to council and things like 657 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,320 that just so that if you're aware if you 658 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,159 wanted to be aware of 659 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,230 >> the stuff in the past and expected 660 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:50,240 » the stuff in the past and expected 661 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,480 dates, but I just put those together and 662 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,760 wanted to provide it for you if you have 663 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000 any questions. I'm happy to 664 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,909 >> answer any. 665 00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:57,919 » answer any. 666 00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:59,590 >> Okay. So, everybody can take a look at 667 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:59,600 » Okay. So, everybody can take a look at 668 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,840 those. Uh, we have some uh 669 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,679 complaints 670 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:07,840 here. Frankly, I didn't get a chance to 671 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,559 take a look at these. Is there anything 672 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,679 Was there anything in here that we 673 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:15,909 >> So, the new part in here includes the 674 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:15,919 » So, the new part in here includes the 675 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,600 what you guys had talked about a draft 676 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,360 response to the complaints and that's on 677 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:20,400 the second page. 678 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:20,789 >> All right. 679 00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:20,799 » All right. 680 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,950 >> Um, so that one's got includes a a kind 681 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:24,960 » Um, so that one's got includes a a kind 682 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,720 of a generic 683 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,630 >> response that we can't if if you guys 684 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:28,640 » response that we can't if if you guys 685 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320 want us to when you guys get emails that 686 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,120 um we can respond for general. Thank you 687 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:39,840 for reaching out. Um 688 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,149 >> yeah, I wrote this up. Um Yep. Yeah. And 689 00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:42,159 » yeah, I wrote this up. Um Yep. Yeah. And 690 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:45,840 so, um and uh you know, was 691 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000 without a tremendous amount of thought. 692 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Uh [laughter] 693 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,919 um well, because I I I really wanted the 694 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:55,200 group here to um help me uh get the 695 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,360 right words um and um with the right uh 696 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,240 type of feedback. I mean, we can and I I 697 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,960 think attached to this is also um an 698 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,960 analysis of one of Mrs. Hugh's um Miss 699 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,679 Hughes um issues and again she had a 700 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,880 second email um that she had and she is 701 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,799 um you know zealous 702 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,870 >> um and is concerned 703 00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:18,880 » um and is concerned 704 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,350 >> planes I mean the the whether they take 705 00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:21,360 » planes I mean the the whether they take 706 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,840 off or land is is a wind issue and it 707 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,799 happens both ways. I mean she sounded 708 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,720 like they only land 709 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,470 >> Yeah. I don't think she appreciates that 710 00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:30,480 » Yeah. I don't think she appreciates that 711 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720 they can run a dual operation, north and 712 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,080 south flow. Um um in terms of landing 713 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,559 and takeoffs, um it's not just if the 714 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,960 winds uh you know southerntherly, 715 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 they're not just going to do south flow, 716 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600 they'll include north flow as well. Um 717 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,919 and I think she's I think she um 718 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,640 observes some of that. Um and then I did 719 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,679 an analysis of the w high winds and when 720 00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:54,880 they would change flows and they're 721 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,480 changing every time the wind is hitting 722 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,200 it. So, it's it's not like the FAA is 723 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,159 not doing what they um probably need to 724 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:03,919 do to keep the operation safe and 725 00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:06,799 efficient. Um, but she makes some she 726 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,760 makes some comments about um about the 727 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,559 um night flights where she's concerned. 728 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,559 Um and that's an area we can continue to 729 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,159 focus on. And then there aren't that 730 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,159 many night flights though. Night flights 731 00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:20,399 do seem to all contained um running to 732 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:22,559 the quiet quiet skies initiative. 733 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:23,350 >> One to five. 734 00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:23,360 » One to five. 735 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,990 >> Yeah, it's it's quite low. Um and Um, 736 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:28,000 » Yeah, it's it's quite low. Um and Um, 737 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,440 and I don't um I don't see many um if 738 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,559 any um you know increase in that after 739 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:35,919 little bit after midnight and then 740 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,039 pretty then it really drops down. 741 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,630 >> No, you're right. It drops down by 1 in 742 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:38,640 » No, you're right. It drops down by 1 in 743 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,720 the morning. It's really quiet until 5. 744 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880 But after between five and six, man, 745 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120 they start spinning up like crazy and it 746 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,240 you'll you'll hear them, right? And 747 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,679 they'll start running full capacity 748 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,320 wherever they can get to get the day 749 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,240 going. 750 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,120 Um, so, uh, I do think it's a good idea 751 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,960 to provide some feedback for folks that 752 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,510 >> Yeah. 753 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:57,520 » Yeah. 754 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,310 >> um, that mail in and get get these get 755 00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:00,320 » um, that mail in and get get these get 756 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,720 our residents to get their complaints to 757 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720 the right organization. 758 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,480 Go to the site that I mentioned. You can 759 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,600 actually pick out the plane that's 760 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,360 annoying you and um, and and I could do 761 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360 some additional work around some of the 762 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,440 complaints. Um, we'll see what comes in 763 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,279 to see if there's any value to that. 764 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,350 >> Okay. So the immediate question for the 765 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:19,360 » Okay. So the immediate question for the 766 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,720 group is uh 767 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,559 the form letter. Are we okay with the 768 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:25,840 form letter 769 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,230 >> with the three points? 770 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,440 » Are you talking about that or are you 771 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,960 talking about Jeff's form? 772 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,789 >> This is the email response to the 773 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:34,799 » This is the email response to the 774 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:35,200 concern. 775 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,470 >> Oh yeah. 776 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:36,480 » Oh yeah. 777 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,870 >> Um if you'll read that over. Um you know 778 00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:38,880 » Um if you'll read that over. Um you know 779 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,320 I really wanted your words. I don't want 780 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,080 to want to 781 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,310 >> I'm speaking pretty much myself here but 782 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:44,320 » I'm speaking pretty much myself here but 783 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760 um it's pretty generic, right? 784 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,350 >> It is. It's generic. Yeah, I didn't see 785 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:47,360 » It is. It's generic. Yeah, I didn't see 786 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,559 anything offending here. 787 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,630 >> You know, it 788 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:50,640 » You know, it 789 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,559 make sure that our residents know that 790 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,080 we are concerned, we're paying 791 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,399 attention. Um, and get them to the right 792 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,000 folks to to 793 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,830 >> So, what is what is the noise program 794 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:59,840 » So, what is what is the noise program 795 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,600 office do other than just send them a 796 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760 thing? Thank you. We 797 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,070 >> Well, the noise the noise pro it's not 798 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:06,080 » Well, the noise the noise pro it's not 799 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,120 the noise program. the um the FAA and 800 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,120 the um uh and the um 801 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,000 uh primarily the FAA, Port of Seattle, 802 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,600 they both have they both have websites 803 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,360 where you can make complaints um 804 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,559 officially and you can get official 805 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,480 responses back um on significant 806 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,240 concerns about noise particularly if you 807 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,080 identify flight numbers and all that 808 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,679 kind of stuff and they will uh respond. 809 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,279 Uh it takes a really long time for them 810 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,520 to respond. I don't think it's been 811 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440 satisfactory to the residents the type 812 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,200 of response they get, but that's the 813 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,159 official place to go and um you know, we 814 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:46,159 shouldn't be issuing official responses 815 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:47,840 for for those organizations. 816 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,230 >> No. 817 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:48,240 » No. 818 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,070 >> And I'm sure Miss Hughes is not going to 819 00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:50,080 » And I'm sure Miss Hughes is not going to 820 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880 be satisfied with whatever answer she 821 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,240 gets because they're not they're going 822 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,960 to tell her. 823 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,669 >> Yeah. Right. 824 00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:55,679 » Yeah. Right. 825 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:56,070 >> You know, 826 00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:56,080 » You know, 827 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,669 >> it's loud. It's absolut It's certainly 828 00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:57,679 » it's loud. It's absolut It's certainly 829 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,200 loud over her house and there are 830 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,720 certainly many planes flying over house 831 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960 and I think she notes when the wind 832 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,640 changes you definitely get a different 833 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,919 mix of aircraft. Um and she's closer to 834 00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:09,679 um the outer let's see is it the outer 835 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,080 runway? Um yeah the outer runway. So 836 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,760 when they're running a mix configuration 837 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,880 particularly when she thinks everything 838 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080 should be going um on um on north flow 839 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,120 they may be doing um takeoffs on that 840 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,360 runway as well which is which is really 841 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,360 loud. Right. When you're in three miles 842 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,880 takeoffs are the most loud. Outside 843 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,720 three miles it's a little quieter 844 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,159 because they get up and they they are 845 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:34,159 getting up fast. Um um but in in close 846 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:35,919 six miles out they're on final approach. 847 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:39,440 They're 3,000 ft and going down. So it's 848 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,360 and it's pretty noisy as they get in 849 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,519 within three miles on landing. That's 850 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:44,880 that's the rough part for the people 851 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,519 that live south. 852 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,990 >> So So Jeff, you wrote her the I mean you 853 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:48,000 » So So Jeff, you wrote her the I mean you 854 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 prepared this. I mean this goes on and 855 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,840 on. This is very thorough. 856 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,750 >> Yeah. I actually did a detailed analysis 857 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:53,760 » Yeah. I actually did a detailed analysis 858 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,240 of of u misuse um uh concerns. Um, and 859 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,880 then I wrote uh in red what my uh what 860 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,840 my responses were and um and we don't 861 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,039 need to go into details here. 862 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,789 >> No, but I can if you guys are good I can 863 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:06,799 » No, but I can if you guys are good I can 864 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,240 send this to her and I can even say it 865 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,919 was put together by a committee member. 866 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:11,760 That way it's not official city. 867 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,590 >> Yeah, we should just make sure that we 868 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:13,600 » Yeah, we should just make sure that we 869 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,840 that it is not an official response. 870 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,039 This is a 871 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,549 >> these are our concerns and and it 872 00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:18,559 » these are our concerns and and it 873 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,760 doesn't address 874 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,350 >> we don't need a formal motion or 875 00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:21,360 » we don't need a formal motion or 876 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,320 anything like that. 877 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,519 No, I just wanted to make sure you guys 878 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,880 were okay with the form letter that he 879 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,240 put together that when I get a 880 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,919 complaint, I'll respond with this and 881 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:29,200 then we'll still forward you all the 882 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,960 emails that come to you. Anyways, 883 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,310 >> we can look flip them over and get a 884 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:32,320 » we can look flip them over and get a 885 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,840 sense of what's going on and do more 886 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,960 with them or 887 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,149 >> and the first two pages are obviously 888 00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:36,159 » and the first two pages are obviously 889 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:37,840 the ones you did get forwarded. So, 890 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240 that's all that's in the packet there. 891 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,110 >> So, for the next few minutes, 892 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:43,120 » So, for the next few minutes, 893 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,669 >> thank you. 894 00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:43,679 » thank you. 895 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:45,430 >> We have here 896 00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:45,440 » We have here 897 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,029 >> um we've got on the back of our here's 898 00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:49,039 » um we've got on the back of our here's 899 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:53,279 the uh the write up of discussion from 900 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,880 last uh last last meeting. So I want to 901 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,960 make sure before this uh goes to council 902 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,399 that this is what we want to say. So 903 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:07,600 I'll let's open up the discussion. 904 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,240 Give me your thoughts, 905 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,000 concerns. 906 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,480 I mean 907 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,149 >> I think it's great. 908 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:21,909 Do we need to add anything? 909 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:23,519 » Greg Miller, 910 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,590 >> I think you guys talked about doing a 911 00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:25,600 » I think you guys talked about doing a 912 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,360 survey and that and you guys are talking 913 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,120 a lot about engaging with citizens and 914 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,600 that's a very small part of this. So if 915 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760 you guys want to discuss that and have 916 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,919 council formally approve that, you'll 917 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,080 want to include that in your work plan. 918 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,149 >> And Joe, how did your discussion go with 919 00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:42,159 » And Joe, how did your discussion go with 920 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:44,159 um who did you have a chance to speak to 921 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:45,360 them about putting on some sort of 922 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,480 public discussion. 923 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,190 >> Yes, I talked to Captain Let me give you 924 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:49,200 » Yes, I talked to Captain Let me give you 925 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,320 the update on that. 926 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,230 >> Great. Yeah, we uh generally u thought 927 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:54,240 » Great. Yeah, we uh generally u thought 928 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,039 it was a a good idea, but there are some 929 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,559 steps that we have to still take and 930 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,960 that's one. Uh there's there'll be 931 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,480 questions about the open public meeting, 932 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279 how that fits into a citizens or if it 933 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,280 applies. So, 934 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,599 there will be again she wants talked to 935 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:14,960 the council. I think she's actually 936 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000 talked to the council about maybe 937 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,359 discussing all the citizens advisor 938 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,320 groups 939 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,790 >> and creating a set of you know 940 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:24,800 » and creating a set of you know 941 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,200 guidelines 942 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,310 >> operating procedures. 943 00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:26,320 » operating procedures. 944 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,030 >> Yeah. Yeah. And and personally I I do 945 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:29,040 » Yeah. Yeah. And and personally I I do 946 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,480 have a problem with this being a public 947 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,399 facing group. I do not think we should 948 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:33,760 be a public facing group. 949 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,550 >> Yeah. 950 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:34,560 » Yeah. 951 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:34,869 >> So 952 00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:34,879 » So 953 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:37,270 >> so so that's um 954 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:37,280 » so so that's um 955 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,629 >> Yeah. So, um I um you know there are 956 00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:40,639 » Yeah. So, um I um you know there are 957 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:41,839 some certainly some really good points 958 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,000 to it where the public gets a chance to 959 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,119 speak to folks that and um perhaps more 960 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,359 openly from the official folks could say 961 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,599 what's uh within their domain probably 962 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:52,480 officially. 963 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,710 >> Steve, what if we if we had something 964 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:54,720 » Steve, what if we if we had something 965 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,359 was a I mean we we maybe every other 966 00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:58,320 meeting we 967 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,230 >> Well, I just think I I don't know how 968 00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:00,240 » Well, I just think I I don't know how 969 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,520 productive it's going to be. I think 970 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,440 we're going to get a lot of people and 971 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,800 like I was telling Joe, it's going to 972 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,079 turn into a gripe 973 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:06,630 >> Yeah. Yeah. 974 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:06,640 » Yeah. Yeah. 975 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,150 >> session. I used 976 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:08,160 » session. I used 977 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,829 >> I used I used a different word than 978 00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:09,839 » I used I used a different word than 979 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:13,440 that. Um but um and we're going to get 980 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,960 the we're going to get people in. It's 981 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,599 like the the lizard people run the FAA 982 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,480 and it gave me brain cancer, right? 983 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,310 >> You know, and I I have a feeling that's 984 00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:22,320 » You know, and I I have a feeling that's 985 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,119 what it's going to devolve into. I I 986 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:26,960 think if we do a public-f facing 987 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,760 meeting, it has to be something very 988 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,119 specific or we go out to groups who are 989 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,359 already engaged. You know, civic groups 990 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,280 like Rotary or something that are 991 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,440 already engaged in the community. But 992 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,030 >> this is a public facing meeting. We just 993 00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:41,040 » this is a public facing meeting. We just 994 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,640 don't have a public comment section in 995 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,640 the agenda. It's open to the public. 996 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,390 >> I know, but there's not like this, you 997 00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:46,400 » I know, but there's not like this, you 998 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480 know, here here's all of our here's all 999 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,320 of our complaints, right? But do you 1000 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280 think that um it would add value for the 1001 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,720 residents to feel as if they have a a 1002 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,680 forum where they can at least speak? Um 1003 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,589 >> not not when we we can't show immediate 1004 00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:03,599 » not not when we we can't show immediate 1005 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,040 responses to them. They're going to say, 1006 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,560 "Oh, I come to the meeting all the time 1007 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,160 and I complain and I don't get 1008 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,470 >> we have to make sure the focus is around 1009 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:10,480 » we have to make sure the focus is around 1010 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,320 information um dissemination of things 1011 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640 that we know and understand. maybe some 1012 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,119 basic education about um some pollution 1013 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,720 issues and noise issues um in general 1014 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,680 terms um and level of field there and 1015 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520 they can give feedback but when they do 1016 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,680 have specific complaints I do think it 1017 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,480 can I do think your concerns are very 1018 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,880 well justified. We have to find a way to 1019 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,280 avoid that by having themes for the 1020 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,599 particular meetings I think very clearly 1021 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,040 um and lay out some really general 1022 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,720 guidelines but that is a concern. 1023 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:43,030 >> Yeah. 1024 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:43,040 » Yeah. 1025 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,550 >> Well okay for for the discussion let's 1026 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:46,560 » Well okay for for the discussion let's 1027 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,280 Is that one of our should that be on our 1028 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,960 list of things we might want to provide 1029 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,160 here as 1030 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,750 >> yeah this is working for let's go to say 1031 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:57,760 » yeah this is working for let's go to say 1032 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,240 maybe to the other end where we are not 1033 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,800 facing group it's just council considers 1034 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,560 us we are the citizens 1035 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,510 >> we are the citizens 1036 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:07,520 » we are the citizens 1037 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,950 >> citizen advisories and our charge is to 1038 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:10,960 » citizen advisories and our charge is to 1039 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,359 sit here and discuss this like we do and 1040 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,280 come up with 1041 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,280 I'm trying to look the right word. It's 1042 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,599 almost like a position paper or you know 1043 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,720 your citizens all five of us think that 1044 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,079 the city should 1045 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:28,550 >> whatever. 1046 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:28,560 » whatever. 1047 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,630 >> Yeah. I I look at it as 1048 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:30,640 » Yeah. I I look at it as 1049 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,150 >> and we forward that to the city council 1050 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:32,160 » and we forward that to the city council 1051 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,400 and they look at 1052 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,150 >> or hear from the residents. I want to 1053 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:36,160 » or hear from the residents. I want to 1054 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,400 hear for that's why the survey perhaps 1055 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,880 these public meetings gives us more um 1056 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,119 engagement with the community so we have 1057 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,839 um a wider field of view for their 1058 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,280 concerns which we can um um distill into 1059 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,040 some some some additional policy 1060 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,760 guidance to 1061 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,990 >> Yeah. I I just think with us we're not 1062 00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:54,000 » Yeah. I I just think with us we're not 1063 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,359 the council we're not public employees 1064 00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,510 >> that that feedback needs to be going 1065 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:59,520 » that that feedback needs to be going 1066 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,079 through the council and not through 1067 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,560 someone. I I guess when what when I 1068 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,520 think about our group is that we're 1069 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,440 we're going through the SAMP and we're 1070 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,800 going through all this stuff and saying, 1071 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,960 "Hey, city council, do you know this?" 1072 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,880 And the city council needs to be showing 1073 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,280 us leadership and saying, "Hey, we need 1074 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,599 you all to delve into this. We don't 1075 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:24,000 fully understand this, right?" And and 1076 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,119 you know, I see us having a u um you 1077 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,000 know, a a regular spot on the city 1078 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,359 council agenda to, you know, to educate 1079 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,160 the council on, hey, here's what this 1080 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,000 stuff is saying. Here's what you wanted 1081 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,560 us to know about. You know, you you 1082 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,200 wanted us to uh to dive into and and 1083 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240 give you our take on these things. So 1084 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,920 maybe what we could do instead of this 1085 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,359 one at the bottom is that a bullet point 1086 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:50,720 and what I've written together kind of 1087 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,040 is engage with citizens for additional 1088 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,800 information and understanding of 1089 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,960 community concerns including through 1090 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,359 surveys or one-on-one communication. 1091 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:00,950 >> Yeah. Yeah. I think we just sort of 1092 00:39:00,950 --> 00:39:00,960 » Yeah. Yeah. I think we just sort of 1093 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,000 worked that. Yeah. 1094 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,069 >> I I 1095 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,359 think we just have to be careful about 1096 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:11,200 in other words the city council is going 1097 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,520 to go out and hire some experts. So they 1098 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,079 wants to dive deeply into 1099 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,599 a particular factor 1100 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,599 of the NEA for 1101 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,480 the sa for the sample. I I'm not sure 1102 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920 that they're going to come to us and 1103 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,839 say, "Hey, take a look at this. Tell us 1104 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,599 what you think." I think they're to 1105 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:36,960 their experts. 1106 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,470 >> So, I'm not sure that 1107 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:40,480 » So, I'm not sure that 1108 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,510 >> that is going to be part of our charge. 1109 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:43,520 » that is going to be part of our charge. 1110 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,190 >> This gets right to the right to the 1111 00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:45,200 » This gets right to the right to the 1112 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520 heart of what our organization um here 1113 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,119 is really for. Um and um and I don't 1114 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,000 think we've defined it completely yet um 1115 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,560 well enough. Um I'm just I think 1116 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040 exploring ideas like public engagement 1117 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040 um might be just one of the things we 1118 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,560 could add value on. I don't think that 1119 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040 that was done with the previous advisory 1120 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680 um committee or I'm not sure. Um Joey, 1121 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,280 I'm asking you. 1122 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,069 >> I'm not sure. 1123 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:10,079 » I'm not sure. 1124 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,670 >> Yeah. But I would like to do something 1125 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:11,680 » Yeah. But I would like to do something 1126 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640 successful um and um 1127 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,480 But you're concerned about you know how 1128 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,880 it would devolve into just a griping 1129 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,640 session. uh certainly would come up 1130 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,359 quickly and I think for if we are nimble 1131 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:24,800 we might be able to deal with that but 1132 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,800 it' be great to hear from them and also 1133 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040 share um you know share some details 1134 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,520 about um real estate concerns and I can 1135 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,640 share a little bit about what I know 1136 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,880 about um airport operations um in a 1137 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,760 non-official way um and have an open 1138 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160 discussion just as citizens together 1139 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,230 >> um and it could add some value I think 1140 00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:42,240 » um and it could add some value I think 1141 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,000 um but 1142 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,910 >> well that's what I was thinking maybe if 1143 00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:45,920 » well that's what I was thinking maybe if 1144 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,680 we did let's say quarter quarterly We we 1145 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,119 have two meetings of of our own and then 1146 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,040 the third meeting um we we are open. I I 1147 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,920 I think particularly with everything 1148 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,560 coming down the shoot quickly and time 1149 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,319 pressures that it's ask question. 1150 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:09,760 Do you have any idea what timeline 1151 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,349 means? 1152 00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:16,480 So by the time we get through the NEPA 1153 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,400 appeal and then we go through the whole 1154 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,480 process. I guess what I'm trying to 1155 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,839 gauge is how long 1156 00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,190 >> do that if we're going to be going out 1157 00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:25,200 » do that if we're going to be going out 1158 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,400 and explaining. 1159 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:26,710 >> Yeah. 1160 00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:26,720 » Yeah. 1161 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,230 >> How many meetings should we 1162 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:28,240 » How many meetings should we 1163 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,510 >> Right. Right. NEPA. 1164 00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:29,520 » Right. Right. NEPA. 1165 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,990 >> It took them, let's see, on the Nepa, it 1166 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:32,000 » It took them, let's see, on the Nepa, it 1167 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,480 took them 1168 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,079 I'm trying to think of how long it took 1169 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,480 them from the 1170 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,400 draft close to 1171 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,390 the um 1172 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,920 took him about nine 1173 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,319 six to nine months to respond to all the 1174 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,440 comments. So assuming it takes the same 1175 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200 amount of time to respond to all the SEA 1176 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,119 comments, you know, and it's supposed to 1177 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,839 come out in around quarter 1. I'm 1178 00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:03,440 hearing rumors of spring. I don't know 1179 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,680 if where those rumors came from, so I 1180 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,200 can't confirm those rumors. So 1181 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,069 >> 26 or 1182 00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:10,079 » 26 or 1183 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,349 >> Yeah. No, quarter 1 to 2020 or 26 is 1184 00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:13,359 » Yeah. No, quarter 1 to 2020 or 26 is 1185 00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,920 when this the draft EIS is supposed to 1186 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,040 come out. 1187 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,030 >> Um, we have been told we'll get 30 days 1188 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:19,040 » Um, we have been told we'll get 30 days 1189 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,560 notice. So, I can guarantee you it's not 1190 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,480 coming out on the 1 of January because 1191 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,000 we haven't been given 30 days notice 1192 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,119 yet. Um, so then there'll be a comment 1193 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,359 period. We don't know. Again, we've been 1194 00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:30,960 asking for them to give us more comment 1195 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,720 period time than before. I've been 1196 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,319 begging them to give us 30 days. I don't 1197 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,000 think that's going to happen, but we'll 1198 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480 get something like 15 to 20 day comment 1199 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,400 period. Um, and then they need to 1200 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,480 however time it takes them to respond to 1201 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,920 all those comments before they release 1202 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,319 the final EIS. That could be anywhere 1203 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,960 from if they really have enough experts 1204 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440 a month, but it took them about nine 1205 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,560 months to do it on the NEPA. So, if 1206 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,800 we're assuming nine around nine months, 1207 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,400 we're going to be looking at a final EIS 1208 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,000 towards the end of the year. 1209 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,150 >> Although, because so much of it has been 1210 00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:04,160 » Although, because so much of it has been 1211 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,760 covered before, I think they probably 1212 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,040 are going to take advantage that could 1213 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,240 be sped up a little bit. I wouldn't 1214 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,920 expect it to take that long. Do you 1215 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,160 think they're going to have a public um 1216 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,480 forum where much like the port did? They 1217 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,000 have to have a public meeting as part of 1218 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,839 the draft EIS. 1219 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,990 >> That's the port commission. 1220 00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:20,000 » That's the port commission. 1221 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,150 >> The port is doing it. The port is doing 1222 00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:22,160 » The port is doing it. The port is doing 1223 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,160 the SEIPA where the FAA did the NEPA. 1224 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,030 >> So those meetings will take place down. 1225 00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:27,040 » So those meetings will take place down. 1226 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,470 >> I'm sure they'll do No, I'm sure they'll 1227 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:28,480 » I'm sure they'll do No, I'm sure they'll 1228 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,160 do what they did for the NEPA and 1229 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,560 they'll have three. They'll have one 1230 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,560 around here at least the open houses and 1231 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,000 things like that. 1232 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,990 >> So what I'm hearing you say is there's 1233 00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:38,000 » So what I'm hearing you say is there's 1234 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,680 going to be 12 meetings 1235 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,839 with this group. 1236 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,925 we will be 1237 00:43:45,925 --> 00:43:46,960 [clears throat] 1238 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,150 >> for the end of the process. 1239 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:50,160 » for the end of the process. 1240 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,950 >> So that gives us some idea. 1241 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:52,960 » So that gives us some idea. 1242 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,790 >> So there could be a I mean one of the 1243 00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:54,800 » So there could be a I mean one of the 1244 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,000 one or two of those could be maybe first 1245 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,079 one see how it goes. 1246 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,870 >> It's a cluster. We'll we won't do that 1247 00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:02,880 » It's a cluster. We'll we won't do that 1248 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,280 again. 1249 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:03,589 >> Yeah. 1250 00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:03,599 » Yeah. 1251 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,349 >> Yeah. Well, one of the topics could be 1252 00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:05,359 » Yeah. Well, one of the topics could be 1253 00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:09,040 could be the um be sea, but some other 1254 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,920 topic could be general 1255 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,400 noise 1256 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,030 >> and the city held a public meeting for 1257 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:15,040 » and the city held a public meeting for 1258 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,640 NEPA. So, it'll be up to the council 1259 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,480 whether they want to do that again for 1260 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,319 SEPA. So, if we do that, obviously the 1261 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,880 committee would be invited out to to 1262 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839 that, but we had a non-counsel public 1263 00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,520 meeting where we give kind of a 1264 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,359 presentation, help people understand how 1265 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:31,359 to respond to the SEIPA 1266 00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,670 >> document and things like that. And so, 1267 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:33,680 » document and things like that. And so, 1268 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,480 Um, we will most likely be asking 1269 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,640 council if they want to do that again. 1270 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560 Um, obviously it costs money to bring 1271 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,440 those professionals in to do that. So, 1272 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,400 um, but it was done for NEPA or whether 1273 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,240 we'll just say, "Hey, the NEPA letters 1274 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,599 there. The studies really haven't 1275 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,079 changed. You guys can take that previous 1276 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,720 template and turn it around for SEIPA." 1277 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:55,839 So, 1278 00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,470 >> another quick question. When does the 1279 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:58,480 » another quick question. When does the 1280 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,520 city news 1281 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,589 >> the will the city current or the city? 1282 00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:05,599 » the will the city current or the city? 1283 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,750 >> I just know that's quarterly. 1284 00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:07,760 » I just know that's quarterly. 1285 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,190 >> It just came out. So 1286 00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:09,200 » It just came out. So 1287 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,150 >> yes. 1288 00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:10,160 » yes. 1289 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,230 >> So probably spring again is you know 1290 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:14,240 » So probably spring again is you know 1291 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:15,829 >> I think it just came out. So my guess 1292 00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:15,839 » I think it just came out. So my guess 1293 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:17,119 would be spring. I'd have to double 1294 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,150 check. 1295 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,800 That would be a good 1296 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,760 place to whatever we came up with a good 1297 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,480 place to start 1298 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,390 >> write an article for the current that's 1299 00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:28,400 » write an article for the current that's 1300 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,079 not a bad idea. 1301 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,390 >> So, okay, where are we? Can we agree 1302 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:32,400 » So, okay, where are we? Can we agree 1303 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,760 that we need to one do a survey? 1304 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,230 >> Yeah, let's just uh Yeah, let's just 1305 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:38,240 » Yeah, let's just uh Yeah, let's just 1306 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,119 talk about this for one second. So, um 1307 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,839 you know, I I I thought at first that 1308 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,359 would be a pretty good idea to get a 1309 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:47,760 sense of how the residents so we we can 1310 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,440 provide some at least some data to the 1311 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,920 uh to the um various groups we're 1312 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,920 engaged with about what our residents 1313 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,280 are concerned with. I don't think we're 1314 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040 going to see a lot of surprises though. 1315 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,200 My guess is it's going to follow the the 1316 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,440 same complaints um and those have been 1317 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,680 well very well categorized on a number 1318 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,240 of different um venues already. So I 1319 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,680 don't know if we're going to get a whole 1320 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,560 lot of new interesting information. It 1321 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,079 would be nice to know whether noise is 1322 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,079 their biggest concern or traffic's their 1323 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,640 biggest concern or or health and what 1324 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640 aspects of health so we can tie that 1325 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,160 into results that we want to see um 1326 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,000 exemplified in the SEIPA um and um and 1327 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,720 and and um cumulative effects that they 1328 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,800 said they would address there. Um but I 1329 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800 but I don't know I mean but I'd like to 1330 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,359 do the survey um and looking for the 1331 00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:41,119 right tool. So Joe, they um from the cab 1332 00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,520 perspective, the they've uh worked hard 1333 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,040 to get a citywide 1334 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,800 uh survey out for the strategic plan and 1335 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,240 that has been going fairly well in terms 1336 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,880 of I think they have over a thousand 1337 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,160 responses. Um Katherine would have been 1338 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,160 happy with 250. 1339 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,470 >> Okay. So, but there was a you know 1340 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:06,480 » Okay. So, but there was a you know 1341 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,319 that's a 10 person I mean it's a tw I 1342 00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:09,760 don't know how big the committee is but 1343 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,440 anyway there was a full that lot of 1344 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,319 effort went into getting that out u two 1345 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,440 takeaways from that it can be done um it 1346 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079 would be effective but second will there 1347 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,560 be survey fatigue if they get if they're 1348 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,720 hit with another one uh three months 1349 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,480 later maybe they'll like it like these 1350 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:28,880 surveys 1351 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,550 >> I wrote up one I think I I sent it out 1352 00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:30,560 » I wrote up one I think I I sent it out 1353 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,960 to everybody a little generic survey um 1354 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,160 on um issues around Seek airport. Um, 1355 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,680 and it wouldn't have to be very many 1356 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,200 questions, right? You could you could be 1357 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,359 done in less than 20 questions and it'd 1358 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:42,960 be good to have as a in our back pocket 1359 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,599 for feedback if it's well represented. 1360 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,030 >> That's the baseline, right? That's the 1361 00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:47,040 » That's the baseline, right? That's the 1362 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,319 baseline. 1363 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:51,190 >> Be good to know 1364 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:51,200 » Be good to know 1365 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,670 >> ASAP or wait for 1366 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:53,680 » ASAP or wait for 1367 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,710 >> Well, I think it's going to take some 1368 00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:54,720 » Well, I think it's going to take some 1369 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,480 time for us to discuss questions and do 1370 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,800 some of that. Can't be done while this 1371 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,800 other survey is going. ASA well I mean 1372 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040 this this survey is is is wrapping up 1373 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,240 and the strategic plan process will be 1374 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,520 wrapping up as early as this spring. 1375 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:09,990 >> Okay. 1376 00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:10,000 » Okay. 1377 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:10,710 >> Um 1378 00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,720 » Um 1379 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,069 >> late late spring. 1380 00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:12,079 » late late spring. 1381 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,309 >> So so we would we ours would follow that 1382 00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:14,319 » So so we would we ours would follow that 1383 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,880 and maybe good to have it in the summer 1384 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,280 when the flights pick up and there's 1385 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680 more concern. Okay. So maybe there 1386 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,280 wouldn't be such a bad thing. So let's 1387 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,200 just make sure that's one of our um work 1388 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,440 in our work plan to um accomplish that 1389 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,440 and um provide a summary of those 1390 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,960 results to the right folks 1391 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,589 >> and that'll be timing on that will be 1392 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:33,599 » and that'll be timing on that will be 1393 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,200 late spring early summer 1394 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,589 >> rightclude that 1395 00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:37,599 » rightclude that 1396 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:43,510 >> so survey 1397 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,240 city currents will that's obviously once 1398 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,040 we get a work going 1399 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,839 what do they do that three times a year 1400 00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,230 >> four But but the issue is when you know 1401 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:54,240 » four But but the issue is when you know 1402 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,920 when are there publishing deadlines? I 1403 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,359 mean you know maybe you might want 1404 00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:59,520 something in January to before it gets 1405 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,680 in in April. There's a real lag 1406 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,319 involved. 1407 00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:04,470 >> Be nice to have a complete work. 1408 00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:04,480 » Be nice to have a complete work. 1409 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,710 >> Yeah. 1410 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:06,720 » Yeah. 1411 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,390 >> Yeah. We're not I don't think our lag is 1412 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:08,400 » Yeah. We're not I don't think our lag is 1413 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,480 like that. So if it goes if it does if 1414 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,440 we're able to keep the January 22nd date 1415 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,119 I don't see a problem with it being in a 1416 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:15,599 spring. 1417 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:16,069 >> Okay. 1418 00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:16,079 » Okay. 1419 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,710 >> City current is my guess. Again I don't 1420 00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:18,720 » City current is my guess. Again I don't 1421 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,040 know the exact date. And the 22nd is 1422 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,280 when we would actually 1423 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,240 make a presentation to city council. All 1424 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:32,470 right. 1425 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,920 » I think we should try I think we should 1426 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,640 try 1427 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:48,150 next year 1428 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,240 after that. 1429 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,359 So, but the immediate thing is for 12. 1430 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,190 >> Yeah. Well, fine. Let's do that. And 1431 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:55,200 » Yeah. Well, fine. Let's do that. And 1432 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,119 then why don't we plan for a a March 1433 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,760 public? We'd have two meetings and think 1434 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,760 about having in March and and the 1435 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,319 meeting in March, I would think, could 1436 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:08,720 help inform our survey, which is going 1437 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,480 out, you know, a quarter later perhaps. 1438 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,160 Uh, and I think it would be a and and 1439 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,520 there'll have been I think lots of time 1440 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,839 for things to percolate. They'll be 1441 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:21,599 public interest. The weather won't be 1442 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:25,440 bad. Um, so and it'll give us some time 1443 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,319 to plan it out between um, you know, 1444 00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:31,520 going to the council next month and then 1445 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,079 we'll have February to sort of talk 1446 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,280 about it. 1447 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,390 >> Yeah. And then we'll have some good 1448 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:36,400 » Yeah. And then we'll have some good 1449 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,000 guidelines and some feedback about the 1450 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,319 process that's approved. Some of the 1451 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,400 concerns about how do we control a 1452 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,359 meeting like that? What kind of 1453 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,359 presentation materials we want to do 1454 00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:47,109 >> and um and who's going to be 1455 00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:47,119 » and um and who's going to be 1456 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,400 responsible? What piece? 1457 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:48,870 >> Yeah. 1458 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:48,880 » Yeah. 1459 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,589 >> Sure. Um you know I I think it's worth a 1460 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:51,599 » Sure. Um you know I I think it's worth a 1461 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,760 try. I I think it's might be very 1462 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,359 useful. 1463 00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:57,829 >> I disagree. But we we all don't have to 1464 00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:57,839 » I disagree. But we we all don't have to 1465 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:01,599 agree, you know. So, uh, um, I I I just 1466 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,520 think, you know, if we go forward with 1467 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,119 it, we we just need to make sure that 1468 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,000 we, you know, uh, I I think and we'll 1469 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,520 talk about what it looks like, right? 1470 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,520 But I think it's going to have to be um, 1471 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,880 very focused, 1472 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,910 >> very focused. 1473 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:13,920 » very focused. 1474 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,589 >> That completely, that's going to help a 1475 00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:15,599 » That completely, that's going to help a 1476 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,559 lot. It's and I think, you know, we're a 1477 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:19,920 lot of us a lot of us have some pretty 1478 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,280 good skills. Hopefully, we can balance 1479 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,280 it and make it a productive meeting, um, 1480 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,640 an informative meeting. 1481 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,710 >> Yeah. But um it'll be interesting to see 1482 00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:28,720 » Yeah. But um it'll be interesting to see 1483 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,119 how um how concerned our citizens really 1484 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,319 are and whether they're really looking 1485 00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:35,119 for a place to um express their concerns 1486 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:36,319 and we just need to respond 1487 00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,400 appropriately um to those with 1488 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680 information um technical information um 1489 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,079 and um and and and let them know you 1490 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:45,839 have someone to talk to. We can address 1491 00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:46,720 them 1492 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,549 >> address them. And I I think that I think 1493 00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:48,559 » address them. And I I think that I think 1494 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:49,920 the folks want to be heard more than 1495 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,160 anything else. Imagine if the folks, you 1496 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,520 know, that are complaining about things 1497 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,960 actually had somebody that would listen 1498 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,160 to them. Um, and um, I think that way 1499 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,520 may help the community work this through 1500 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,960 as as we all have to. 1501 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,109 >> Well, I think you know, for me, what 1502 00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:05,119 » Well, I think you know, for me, what 1503 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,559 success looks like, 1504 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,546 we get the rest of 1505 00:52:13,556 --> 00:52:14,319 [laughter] 1506 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,160 that. 1507 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,910 >> Yeah. 1508 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,839 No matter what the court says or you 1509 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,559 know there's going to be impacts 1510 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,829 >> and that if you're if you're not willing 1511 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,839 » and that if you're if you're not willing 1512 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,760 to have a serious discussion about some 1513 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,079 kind of mitigation for those impacts at 1514 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:33,680 least 1515 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,119 be very honest about 1516 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,119 the severity what the impacts are going 1517 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,000 to be and when we can expect them to 1518 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,359 occur so that as citizens property 1519 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:46,559 owners 1520 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,880 for people that maybe are, you know, 1521 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,200 trying to plan for their retirement or 1522 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,480 or where they're going to raise their 1523 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,160 kids and send their kids to school so 1524 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,319 people can make decisions. 1525 00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:00,069 >> And that to me is they owe us that. They 1526 00:53:00,069 --> 00:53:00,079 » And that to me is they owe us that. They 1527 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,160 owe us the transparency. They owe us the 1528 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,040 honesty to say, "Okay, Joe, here's 1529 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,359 what's going to happen. You don't like 1530 00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:10,950 it, 1531 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,400 but they owe us. They owe us that." Does 1532 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,880 that need That's really clear, Joe. Does 1533 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,040 Did that need to be in our threepoint 1534 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,599 the the transparency part of what we're 1535 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,520 committed to? 1536 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,109 >> Can you add something like that? 1537 00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:25,119 » Can you add something like that? 1538 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:27,030 >> So, here's what I'm kind of putting 1539 00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:27,040 » So, here's what I'm kind of putting 1540 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,720 right now as I'm trying to type 1541 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,960 something up. So, I've got engage with 1542 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,400 citizens and the community for 1543 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,160 additional information and understanding 1544 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,040 community concerns through 1545 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,800 surveys, one-on-one com communication, 1546 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,280 support or hold a public meeting to 1547 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,960 allow citizens to express their concerns 1548 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,200 if needed, engage in community through 1549 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,880 city currents articles about the 1550 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,680 committee and activity. 1551 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,630 >> It's good 1552 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:52,640 » It's good 1553 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,510 >> because because the 1554 00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:53,520 » because because the 1555 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,030 >> I'll re yeah 1556 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:55,040 » I'll re yeah 1557 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,270 >> finesse the wording as typing as we're 1558 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:57,280 » finesse the wording as typing as we're 1559 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,240 talking. So, 1560 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,230 >> because think coming to council, you 1561 00:54:00,230 --> 00:54:00,240 » because think coming to council, you 1562 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,720 only get a few minutes. Um going to the 1563 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,359 uh Port of Seattle presentations, it's 1564 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,359 so diverse, it's hard, you don't get the 1565 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,599 sense that one person's listening. Um 1566 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,480 and um um and so there's not a great 1567 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,839 venue for the residents to have any time 1568 00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:20,000 on with uh folks that um uh have some 1569 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,920 impact to the process um for SAMP and 1570 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,119 other things. So yeah, just I don't know 1571 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:27,839 seems like 1572 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:30,950 >> So Rebecca I uh so Joe and I have this 1573 00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:30,960 » So Rebecca I uh so Joe and I have this 1574 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,920 policy start meeting that starts in five 1575 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:34,960 minutes 1576 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:35,990 >> and can 1577 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:36,000 » and can 1578 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,430 >> Did you want to approve the minutes? I 1579 00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:37,440 » Did you want to approve the minutes? I 1580 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,800 think that's the last thing on here is 1581 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,079 the minutes from the last meeting. 1582 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,589 >> So, just one last thing, I hope you're 1583 00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:41,599 » So, just one last thing, I hope you're 1584 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,559 right, and I'm going to do everything I 1585 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,280 can to help make sure it's right. I just 1586 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,880 hope we look back and say, "Wow, that 1587 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440 was a big waste of time." 1588 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,510 >> It could be a waste of time. Anyway, 1589 00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:53,520 » It could be a waste of time. Anyway, 1590 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,750 >> do you want us to do you want to do some 1591 00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:55,760 » do you want us to do you want to do some 1592 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,119 more word smithing on this and then have 1593 00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,440 us take approve it at the next meeting? 1594 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,710 >> Right. But I need the minutes from the 1595 00:55:00,710 --> 00:55:00,720 » Right. But I need the minutes from the 1596 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,400 last meeting approve that's in here. 1597 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,000 That's just this one page. No, that's 1598 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,280 just that's 1599 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,790 >> No, that that's just an attachment to 1600 00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:06,800 » No, that that's just an attachment to 1601 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,520 the agenda. 1602 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,309 >> So move. 1603 00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:08,319 » So move. 1604 00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:09,190 >> Okay. 1605 00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:09,200 » Okay. 1606 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,549 >> Second. 1607 00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:10,559 » Second. 1608 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:11,589 >> Favor. 1609 00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:11,599 » Favor. 1610 00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:12,790 >> I 1611 00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:12,800 » I 1612 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,309 >> Okay. 1613 00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:14,319 » Okay. 1614 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:16,470 >> Is that all we needed to do and take 1615 00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:16,480 » Is that all we needed to do and take 1616 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,150 >> that's it. [laughter] 1617 00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:18,160 » that's it. [laughter] 1618 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,000 To your point it 1619 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,910 >> start meetings 1620 00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:21,920 » start meetings 1621 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,079 have to have consensus. I mean that's 1622 00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,720 they Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a joke. I 1623 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,480 guess I'm I'm looking at a business 1624 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,559 perspective where it's like, okay, we 1625 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,160 don't all agree, but we've made a 1626 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,760 decision and whether we agree or not, 1627 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:34,880 we're 1628 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,710 >> that's where we're going. 1629 00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:36,720 » that's where we're going. 1630 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,190 >> A word that send it out via email, see 1631 00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:39,200 » A word that send it out via email, see 1632 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,640 if I have a general consensus, you can 1633 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,839 do a formal approval at the next 1634 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,839 meeting, but the agenda for the 22nd, 1635 00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:45,119 would be due the same day as your 1636 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,319 meeting. So, if I have a general 1637 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:48,640 consensus, I can work on it from that. 1638 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,240 And then at the meeting, if you guys 1639 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,680 formally approve the work plan for 1640 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,520 recommendation to council, then we'll 1641 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,640 make sure we'll get it right on the 1642 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,040 agenda for the 22. Okay. And we don't 1643 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,520 Okay, so it's holiday season, so 1644 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,760 everyone's going to be busy, but if we 1645 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,839 need to have an offsite meeting or 1646 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,040 something like that after the first 1647 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,160 year, let's just 1648 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,670 >> have this back. 1649 00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:09,680 » have this back. 1650 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,870 >> Yeah. 1651 00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:10,880 » Yeah. 1652 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,710 >> I think that would be a good idea before 1653 00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:12,720 » I think that would be a good idea before 1654 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,710 the 22nd. 1655 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,910 » Yeah. 1656 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,319 » So, um I sent you a note today, 1657 00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:27,040 you know, We're sort of orphaned here. I 1658 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,480 know. Kick us out. But 1659 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,750 >> yeah, unfortunately I don't have a staff 1660 00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:29,760 » yeah, unfortunately I don't have a staff 1661 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,440 member scheduled to be here for two 1662 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,960 hours. So it would 1663 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,789 >> Hey, do you have the login information? 1664 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,319 » I I checked with the library. They have 1665 00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,319 a room and tables, but they're only open 1666 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,280 for another hour, not two hours. 1667 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,870 >> Well, it's an hour. I mean, 1668 00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:46,880 » Well, it's an hour. I mean, 1669 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,910 >> faster. 1670 00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:47,920 » faster. 1671 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,510 >> It shows two hours in the calendar 1672 00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:49,520 » It shows two hours in the calendar 1673 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,400 invite, but 1674 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,510 >> Okay. 1675 00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:51,520 » Okay. 1676 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,109 >> Hopefully you have some login. I didn't 1677 00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:53,119 » Hopefully you have some login. I didn't 1678 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:54,319 get 1679 00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,470 >> I can forward it to you. 1680 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:56,480 » I can forward it to you. 1681 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,549 >> I should have it. 1682 00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:58,559 » I should have it. 1683 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:05,109 >> Do it and copy me anyway just in case. 1684 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:06,640 » I mean it just comes from Cheryl. I can 1685 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,400 forward it. That's what I'm gonna That 1686 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,920 has the Zoom. So I'll forward you the 1687 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,520 calendar but Wednesday. 1688 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,150 >> No, that's for today's 1689 00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:14,160 » No, that's for today's 1690 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,040 that wasn't available. 1691 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,710 >> The Wednesday at home. 1692 00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:18,720 » The Wednesday at home. 1693 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,079 Lindsay when I get 1694 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,109 >> right 1695 00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:23,119 » right 1696 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,349 >> but for the policy committee and the 1697 00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:25,359 » but for the policy committee and the 1698 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:27,599 noise committee 1699 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,030 >> I wouldn't mind knowing when those are 1700 00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:29,040 » I wouldn't mind knowing when those are 1701 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,470 >> supposed to be on a calendar 1702 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:30,480 » supposed to be on a calendar 1703 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,510 >> that's what I'm saying on the calendar 1704 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:31,520 » that's what I'm saying on the calendar 1705 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,839 it has the the Zoom link so I'm sending 1706 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,559 it to you right now 1707 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,549 >> I I'm forwarding the calendar so I'm 1708 00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:38,559 » I I'm forwarding the calendar so I'm 1709 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,160 assuming it's 1710 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,950 >> just mess up 1711 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:40,960 » just mess up 1712 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,870 >> I think they send out one at a time it 1713 00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:42,880 » I think they send out one at a time it 1714 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,960 doesn't look like it's all of them so I