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We welcome to the Dixon City Council meeting for May 6, 2025. We're going to start off with a closed session tonight. We're going to be meeting what we get at seven. So, Madam Clerk, we have a roll call for the closed session.

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Council member Ernest, council member Hendershot, council member Johnson, Vice Mayor Bogg, Mayor Bird.

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All right, 0.1 public comment for closed session items only if you, and when the audience

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like to comment on closed session, now be the time.

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See you then, anyone, oh, and there's no one on Zoom for public comment there.

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All right.

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We will retire to the closed session.

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Good evening.

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Welcome to the Dixon City Council regular meeting for May 6, 2025.

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We just came from a closed session and there's nothing to report out.

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So, I have been said that, let's begin with the Pledge of Allegiance and Mr.

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Hennershot.

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How about you, Leah, this is time.

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Here. Councilmember Henderson.

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Here. Councilmember Johnson.

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Here. Vice Mayor Boat.

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Here.

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All right, is there any conflict of interest

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to report out from any member?

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Seeing none moving on.

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I've had a request by staff to

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pull an item off for next time, 12.5

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and left there's an objection to that.

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I would say, do we have a pool of the agenda, minus that item?

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I'll make that motion.

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First and second.

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And I just would say, is there anyone that wanted to comment on 12.5 before I go?

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Seeing no one, anyone at all?

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To provide public comment via video conferencing.

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Click on right hand.

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The Attella conference press star nine.

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And there's no public comment there.

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Okay. Let's go ahead and have our pool of the agenda.

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A roll call, minus 12.5.

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Council member Ernest, Council member Hendershire.

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Council member Johnson, Vice Mayor Bogue, Mayor Verge.

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Aye, item six, presentations,анд procs, recommendations, recognition.

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We have a proclamation as the president.

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May 11th, 2012, 2025 as National Police Week and I will go ahead and read that.

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City of Dicks and Park Proclamation National Police Week 2025.

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To recognize national police week 2025 and to honor the service and sacrifice of those law enforcement officers killed in line of beauty while protecting our communities in safeguarding our democracy.

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Whereas there are more than 800,000 law enforcement officers serving in the communities across the United States, included the dedicated members of the police department.

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We're as since the first recorded death in 1786 there are currently more than 24,000 law enforcement officers in the United States who have made the ultimate sacrifice and been killed in the line of duty.

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Whereas the names of these dedicated public servants are engraved on the walls of the national law enforcement officers memorial in Washington DC.

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We're as the service and sacrifice of all officers killed in the line of duty will be honored during the national law enforcement officers Memorial Fund's 37th Candleye visual on the evening of May 13th, 2025.

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We're as the Candleye visual this morning of the national police week which will be observed this year on May 11th through 17th.

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Where as May 15th is designated as Peace Officers Memorial Day and on over the fallen officers and their families and U.S. flag should be flown an F staff.

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Therefore, be it resolved that the city of Dixon will observe May 11 through 17th, 2025 as National Police Week in Dixon.

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And publicly salutes the services of law enforcement officers in our community and the communities across the nation.

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It had May 6, 2025 Mayor Stephen Burke, and if there's anyone

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like to comment on this, I will allow that.

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Just time.

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Can council members want to comment on it?

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Anyone in the audience?

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Anyone at home?

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We provide public comment.

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The video conferencing click on raise hand.

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Be a teleconference press star nine.

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And there's no public comment there.

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And I just want to share on that note.

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Tomorrow, May 7th, they are having the ceremony at the

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more a wall there, and that events starts at 12 noon if any of you would like to attend.

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All right, I will move on to the next Proclamation.

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Item 6.2, National Public Works Week Proclamation may 18 through 24th to 2025.

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The motto is people, purpose, and presence.

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Press Public Works professionals focus on the infrastructure facilities and services that are vital importance

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to the sustainability and resilient communities and the public health, I call the of life

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and well-being of the people of Dixon.

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And whereas these infrastructure facilities and services could not be provided without

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the dedicated efforts of public works professionals or engineers, managers and employees

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at all levels of government and the private sector who are responsible for rebuilding, improving,

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protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water treatment, and solid waste

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systems, public buildings, and other structures, and facilities, essential for our citizens.

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And whereas it is in the public interest for the citizens, civic leaders, and children

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index into gain knowledge of and maintain an ongoing interest and understanding of the importance

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of public works, public works programs, and in their respective communities.

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And whereas the year 2025 marks the 65th Annual National Public Works Weeks monitored by American

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Public Works Association, Canadian Public Works Association, be it now resolved, I am

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Air Steeper, due here by a designate, a week of May 18th, through 24th, 2025, as a national

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public works week.

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I urge all citizens to join with representatives of the American Public Works Association

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and government agencies and activities, events and ceremonies designated to pay tribute to

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our public works professionals, engineers, managers, employees, and to recognize the substantial

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contributions, they make to protecting our national health safety and advancing the quality

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of life role. In witness where I have earring to set my hand and cause the seal of the state

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of California, then it's the of Dixon City Council meeting in Dixon, California, this

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sixth day of May 25th. Is there anyone who would like to comment on that from the desk? Anyone

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from the audience? Anyone at all?

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To provide public comments via video conferencing, click on raise hand, via teleconference

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press nor online.

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And there's no public comment mayor.

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Thank you to all the public servants, police and bullet works for all that you do in our community and across the nation.

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All right, brings us to public comment for non agenda items.

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This portion of the agenda is for things that are not listed on our agenda tonight.

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So I have a number of cards for 12.2. This is not the time to talk about that.

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So if there's something that is not on the agenda that anyone would like you share with us at this time,

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Now I'll be the time. Your time limit is three minutes, but we do have two sections where you can do this at the beginning and then so if you can't get in everything you need to say.

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First time around stick around you can talk at the end.

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It's ward.

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Good evening Mr. Mayor of City Council City staff.

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Madam clerks.

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Tonight I'm just going to bring to your attention as Mr. Qu Davis has previously said from our school board.

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He mentioned, quote, honoring the past inspiring the future.

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I was able to attend the Dixon Community Performing Arts Center,

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dedication ceremony.

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I'm trying to think of the day.

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I think it was the same day we had the Mixer in Town,

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Three individuals were probably recognized.

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Adrian Colson, Mary Me Burton, and Steve Russo,

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for their incredible contributions to the arts and education.

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They apply now grace that they had a walls,

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a lasting tribute to the impact on generations of students.

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I would like to thank the Dixon High School Band for opening and closing the presentation and to everyone who joined us in a special celebration.

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It was excellent.

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And music is life.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Seeing no one in our audience.

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Anyone at home?

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To provide public comment via video conferencing.

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Click on raise hand.

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The teleconference press star nine.

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And there's no further public comment, may I?

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Yeah, Michael Warnkin.

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I grew up in Dixon.

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I've still come here quite a bit.

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My parents still live here, although I don't believe it's in the city limits outside

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in one of the branches.

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Anyway, I am concerned about this new development proposal that's going forward.

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I guess the harvest.

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Okay, that's on the end.

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I just want to really quick like because I'm not up to speed on it.

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And I know you guys are going to.

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Where's the best place for me to find all the information on it?

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I think they have a city website, plus the developers have a site also.

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Does it? Does it?

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There'll be an representation.

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Okay, and does it also have the information on the green belt?

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Wait for the presentation because we can't have the exchange here.

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Oh, okay.

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I'll just ask you.

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to be in the presentation. Anyone else? Okay, we had no one at home, so we'll move on to

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public or hide in the city council. Mr. Andresha.

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They tended the mixer at the chamber

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mixer at the Rower Insurance Company and also about myself in 20 plus and volunteers

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helped on Earth. They cleaned up the industrial pond. It was a good showing. A lot of new residents.

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Mr. Johnson, on this my favorite week, it's May Fair Week, so I look forward to seeing

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everybody this week and we've got the pancake breakfast, the May Fair Parade, and it's going

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to be a great weekend, it's puts us on the map, so we look forward to seeing everybody

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this weekend.

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Mr. Ernest?

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All right, since the last meeting on the 16th, I attended the Capital Accordor JPA through the

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STA, nothing to report back, I also attended Cap Slano Executive Board Meeting and the

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Mayor's selection committee meeting, which involves all the mayors of the seven cities.

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Twenty-three-three-three-three-five by attended the Legislative City Leaders Summit in Sacramento

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through the League of California Cities.

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Some of the highlights of that we talked about, some of the legislation that's passed at the

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State Capitol.

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Some good, not so good.

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I am happy to report, though, we did protest the fact that Prop 36 did pass, and the State

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We found out there's no way to fund the requirements that we have, but we have gained a little bit of leeway with that.

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We're still pushing a little bit to make sure they're able to fund the things that voters, the majority of the voters of this state has for.

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And as moving forward, there are a couple of items from, I guess it was, is it's Senator Weiner, is he a senator?

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And some of his things about housing were kind of off the top, so we're still pushing back on some of that.

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I think a couple of things have been pulled, but they will come back, so we're going to give our eye on that.

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And then see, on May 1st, I attended the National Day of Prayer Meeting.

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It was held at the Back of Christian School, a number of city leaders, military leaders, law enforcement, business community.

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was a number of different group represented at that breakfast. It was a nice turnout. And then on the second I attended the League of California cities executive board meeting via Zoom and that's all I have to report it this time.

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So having said that brings us to consent calendar item nine is there anything on the consent calendar. Any of you wish to pull discuss or address it this time.

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Seeing no one on the desk, is anyone the audience has an item they like to address this

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Seeing none.

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Anyone at home?

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I provide public comment via video conferencing.

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Click on raise hand or excuse me.

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Via teleconference, press star 9.

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And there's no public comment there.

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So, do I have a motion to pass the consent calendar?

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I'm moved to approve of the consent calendar.

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First and second, Madam Clerk, Rochalva.

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Councilmember Ernest.

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Councilmember Henderson.

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Councilmember Johnson.

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Vice Mayor Boat.

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Mayor Berg.

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There was one thing I forgot to mention on comments from the council.

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I just like to bring this forward to maybe a future agenda.

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And that is something on maybe the consent calendar.

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showing support of bringing ship building back to Sloan County.

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Not where it is or where it's going to be, but I think it's important for National Security that we support that wherever it ends up or wherever it may be.

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Okay. So, brings us to item 10. Public hearings. We have one. Item 10.1.

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Wait. Was there a comment? There's somebody.

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way of second reading, read by tight only, and adopt an ordinance of this.

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City Council of the City of Dixon, the many chapter 12, 11, bicycles, and adding chapter 12.2, electric scooters,

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two titles, 12 vehicles, and traffic of the Dixon Municipal Code. Chief Thompson.

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Good evening, Mayor Council. What you have before you is, I believe, our correctly noticed in second reading

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of the amendment to the chapter 12 of our municipal code to help us deal and address as we discussed last time.

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with the challenges we have with electric bikes and e-scooters in the community, specifically

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the number of injuries we have with kids that are on these, on these bikes and scooters.

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The municipal code we have, the bicycle section, that we are asking you to give your second

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reading and then we'll have our 30th degree before it goes into effect, gives us many more

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resources in addressing this.

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Currently our bicycle ordinance is pretty restrictive, it's very old, it speaks to conventional

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bicycles, this new ordinance takes into account the changes in the technology, and is consistent

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with the California vehicle code as well in the licensing requirements, helmet requirements,

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things that right now, if we catch someone for example, without a helmet that's legally required

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to wear one, we have to send that to the juvenile court. We have no municipal mechanism to deal with

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it at a lower level. So the goal with this ordinance is not about punishment, it's about compliance.

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We've built in sort of an escalating structure where by policy someone generally would get a warning first unless their behavior is reckless.

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Then it would escalate on a second to a fine and go on on from there.

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The goal, again, is to make sure that parents are aware if their kids are not following the law or the ordinance in this case.

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As some of you have noted, we've seen it too. Kids will be writing a bike or scooter with a helmet dangling from the handlebar.

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So they're leaving the house with it on so they're folks see it and then they take it off when they get away part of our enforcement

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This ordinance includes parental notification in instances where we stopped juveniles and violation of the sort of events.

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We make sure the parents get a letter to say hey we want to keep your kids safe. Please be aware of these conditions that we found in that.

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So we've, sorry, second reading with it. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have otherwise we would submit it for your consideration.

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Comments?

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I think it's a partnership, thanks for bringing that up.

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My comment is that, you know, before there was some public service announcements, we had

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spoke, I was just too out of ten at the most for wearing helmet.

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As soon as it was publicized in the schools were advised, before we even did this, there was

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a media blur over a beautiful week period where it went from one or two, so the communication

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and the education is helping, and this is an important time again, compliance and safety.

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And we had done two public safety announcements, each occurring after an incident where

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a child was injured.

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In all of the collisions we've had in the city between e-bikes and scooters, in every instance,

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the scooter of bike has been at fault.

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In no instances, as a driver, the vehicle has been at fault.

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And in almost every one of those instances, the rider is not wearing helmet.

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So we put out two of those announcements, which had pretty much been ignored.

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We had another injury, another child get injured, and that's when we announced with the City

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Manager's Population, the zero tolerance that got a lot of public press.

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We issued 63 citations and warnings in the first two weeks, first three weeks.

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And we saw how many usage spike, incredibly after the fine started going out, and we actually

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had a line of kids at the station asking if we still had the helmet program, which we do

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through salon accounting, to give them helmets to use.

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And I believe I'm seeing the same thing you are, which is significantly improved compliance.

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Which is about safe.

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All right.

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Okay.

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This is a public hearing.

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So I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing.

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There's anyone from the public.

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I'd like to comment on this item.

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Now would be the time.

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You have three minutes at the mic.

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No one in the audience.

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Yeah.

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Mr. Mayor, I just, just in general, I understand the need to protect people.

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that is necessary. I'm just bothered by the licensing of everything and I don't know.

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I do understand that there's a component where when you have a bicycle that's got electric

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motor, it's going to go faster. I mean, you're not as powerful as a motorcycle. I mean, growing

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up as a kid, we never had helmets. I don't know. I'm just worried. Just at any time that, you

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You've got to protect everybody, I guess, just to feel like you've got to say something

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once a while that things are going to happen, you don't want that things to happen to people

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at the same time.

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Everything being regulated in, I guess, we started this with public works, and I run into problems

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with public works sometimes, and government regulates, but, well, I guess I'll do the Ronald

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and sometimes you don't always want the government to show up your front door and say,

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I'm here to help.

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So that's it.

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All right.

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Anyone else make a me comment or in this public hearing period?

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See, no one else not yet at home.

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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.

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We have teleconference press star 9.

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And there's no further public comment, Mayor.

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All right.

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Without a close of public hearing, back the council for action or comment.

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I have a first and a second Madam Clerk roll call, please.

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Councilmember Ernest.

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Councilmember Henderson.

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Councilmember Johnson.

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Vice Mayor Boge.

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Mayor Bird.

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Aye.

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All right.

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Item 11 unfinished business.

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There is none.

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It brings us to new business.

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Item 12.1.

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The city treasurer quarterly and resume reports.

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And I believe we are treasurer submitted a report.

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But it will not be here, shall I read their board in the action or are we good to go?

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No, just accept it into the record that.

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You've all received that and any questions on it?

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Anyone the audience like to comment?

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Seeing none at home?

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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.

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You have teleconference press star nine.

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And there's no public comment there.

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So we'll need a roll call for acceptance of the report.

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Okay, I have a person a second.

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Councilmember Ernest.

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Councilmember Henderson.

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Councilmember Johnson.

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Vice Mayor Boge.

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Mayor Berg.

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All right, brings us to item 12.2.

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Receive an update on outreach for the proposed project.

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Harvested Dixon and provide direction on the draft.

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Harvested Dixon and guiding principles.

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and lead enough will be.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I'm going to give you a little bit of a background and talk about some of the purpose for

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this meeting.

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And then I'm going to turn it over to Madeline Graff, our public information officer,

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Economic Development Manager, who will give you a summary of the public engagement

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and outreach that's occurred on this project to date.

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And then we'll have Steve Peters in a contract planner

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assisting the city in processing this application, go through the draft vision and guiding

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principles and explain to you what the draft says.

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So, the purpose for tonight's meeting is to review and get your input on the draft

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division in guiding principles for reviewing the harvest project.

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The goal is that these criteria, vision and the principles will guide staff and decision makers while reviewing the project.

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It's important to note that tonight's agenda item is not a decision or evaluation or determination on the project.

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It's really to set the framework of what's important and considering this project as it moves through the continued public process.

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The draft goals and guiding principles were derived from the various community meetings that

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have occurred, both developer-led sessions, as well as city-led sessions, and from the

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various comments that we've heard throughout the whole process.

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And these are not staff drive, but they are really the summary of the public input that

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we heard of what's important in considering this project.

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So, before we move on, I'm just going to give you a quick overview as well as for some anybody at home or in the audience who may not know about the harvest project.

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The project, the proposed project is located in South Eastixon, just off of Pedrick Road in Parkway.

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As you can see on the map there, it is just across the street or south of the high school and park lane subdivision.

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The proposal is for a master plan that would include about up to 6,350 residential units on about 836 acres.

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The phasing and build out is proposed to be about 20 years, which would be about 275 to 325 homes per year.

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The project includes a small retail neighborhood retail center, currently proposed to be on the corner of 113 in Parkway.

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There is a proposed elementary school site that's pending input and termination from this.

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We'll district, there's over 140 acres of park, open space, and regional amenities, and recreational uses.

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Those are the items shown in green, and then there is a buffer area around superior farms, area of superior farms site, and the kennel at the south west corner of the property

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that would serve as a buffer from that ag industrial use

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with a project and vice versa.

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The project would also include improvements to addition of new roadways,

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widening of roadways, sewer drinking water, infrastructure,

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regional drainage solution that would collect runoff from

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bonds B and C and moves that water to the south end of the project site.

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And if approved, detailed infrastructure planning and construction can start in 2027 to 28 with her first homes available in about 2030, that's if everything goes according to schedule.

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And as I noted before, build out for a project to this size would be expected to be about 20 plus years.

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So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Madlin, who will walk you through the other engagement and outreach.

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Thank you, Rafi. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Over the last 10 months, there have been a variety of different outreach opportunities for the community to provide their input on this project.

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Starting back in August of 2024, the developer started hosting their own community meetings.

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The city has also hosted a different community meetings and workshops. We had one in January that was specifically for residents who live within 1,000 feet of the property.

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For that meeting, we did mail notices to each of those property owners, and then we had another city hosted workshop in March of this year where we showed them the draft guiding principles.

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So I know there was a question earlier about how to get information on the project.

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We have developed a website or a web page specific to this proposed project.

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All of the materials are there including materials from each of the workshops that I mentioned.

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And at the very bottom of the page, we have a section titled, stay informed, where you can sign up to receive email of dates on the project.

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And that email list is also notified anytime we're bringing an identity council or doing the public presentation.

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In addition to the website, we have done social media posts, so this is a sample of what they will click.

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This one was before our city council city session back in January, so we let people know all the different ways that they could stay informed, such as looking at the website.

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signing up for emails, attending the meetings, and at that point we had had three meetings

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that were happening.

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So just to reiterate, if people want to stay informed going forward, they should check our

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website, social media, our email list, and then the developer also has their own project

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website that has additional information as well, including different mockups of what the community

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could look like.

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All right, at this point, I'm going to turn it over to Steve Peterson to walk you through

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the draft vision.

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Good

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evening, Mayor Bird and council members. My name is Steve Peterson. I'm a contract planner, assisting your staff with the processing of this application.

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What I'd like to do, if it pleases the council, is I would like to walk through the visions, the vision statements that we've distilled from all the different public comment that we've received.

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And walk them through one by one to get your comments, your observations, and in essence, as

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Rafi mentioned earlier, we're seeking your direction and guidance as we continue to process

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this project.

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So again, this is the outreach recommendation that received an update and then provide direction.

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One thing that we heard in just about every session is that the citizens of Dixon really love it

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and they're here by choice.

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The thing that we heard, I am, and again,

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is the small town feel and character of Dixon

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is really the heart of why the community

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believes so strongly in the city

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and also is expressed concerns about the development.

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And as you can guess, that's a pretty tough thing to try

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to define, to still and distinguish.

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And so with that, I didn't know if the council

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had any thoughts about maintaining the small town feel

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and character.

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I

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think you said it. It's hard to identify. I think if we ask a hundred people what their small town field you're going to get a hundred different answers, but

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I would say that for me personally is

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I recognize people all the time when I'm going to the grocery store. I walk downtown. I can wave and say a lot of people.

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And for all attending school events, for all attending sports events, and there's activities going on, and we're all doing it together.

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I think that's just something I need to do. I don't have an exact, I just know that we have a feeling of family here.

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and it's present all around town and anything that you do.

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So, if you can put that into a bottle and sprinkle it on anything you plan to do, hey.

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And I don't know if there's any one way I could define it, either similar to what

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Council Member Johnson said, however, when I reflect back, you know, I grew up in

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on a county-based grade, family moved to the Fairfield in 68, and when I look back

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over the years, what I see with the development, moving eastward, I noted that what

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back of it was like the Fairfield 50 years ago is what we are now to back of it.

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And back of it really boomed at an accelerated rate, and that's a little bit scary, and

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I think it's coming to terms with them now.

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I think that they're experiencing a lot of things financially.

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They have in the past, but it's becoming a challenge.

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So I think that the key here is, development is going to come on where and other.

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But the key is keeping local control and not have that growth happen so rapidly that it

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outpaces the services and the things that the community can provide.

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because, quite frankly, you know, you talk about infrastructure.

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And believe it or not, folks, infrastructure comes from rooftop.

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That's where it's coming from businesses, aren't investing,

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bringing that in.

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They're waiting for infrastructure to be in place by residential.

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Then the businesses come, so the amenities,

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the commercial opportunities, the jobs, come after that.

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So it's a very fine-lined balance.

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But I think the key is, don't go for us,

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pro-faster than you can meet the needs and services to the community demand.

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So I think that's part of keeping that small town fill as well by not

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happening.

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And it's not going to happen overnight.

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And I mean, it's spread out.

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And I question whether it could be built out in 20 years anyway.

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And we look how long it took southwest sticks.

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And I think that was on the books for 40 years or more.

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And it's finally built out.

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But it took a long time for that to happen.

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And a lot of it's dependent on the economy, what's going on.

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I mean, a lot of outside factors will mitigate how fast

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something comes or doesn't come, so.

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But I understand that's my take on this small-town thing.

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I feel that we have it back a little had it.

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They're trying to hold on to it, but I think they've lost

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a little bit of that, and I don't want to see that happen here

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if we're going to boy that.

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Ten, then I think, with me, it's about the community.

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It's not about the size of the community,

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it's about working together volunteering and helping each other out.

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And when I moved in the Valley Glen, one of the first seven families over there, I was welcomed and, you know, I feel the same I did that first day.

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Plus with you.

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Yes.

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You know, the first thing we have to understand is that development is inevitable.

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either growing or dying, and our government has made sure that we were starting to grow

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at a faster pace in some of the changes to our local laws that he's made.

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I've been to cities that have grown substantially, and I found the very thing that kept

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a small town of Bill was having good green buffer zones of one area from another. So when

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you stood on a street corner and looked to the left, you didn't just see miles of town.

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In fact, I think the one I was in was a spary, I think it was. I honestly thought

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that was just a very tiny community about the size of El Maira to tell you the truth.

448
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And then my son took me upon a hill, so I could get an overview of the area, and

449
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:32,090
my god, there must have been a million homes there.

450
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:39,430
But unless you were on top of that hill, they were all broken up with these green buffer

451
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:46,250
zones, so no matter where you went, it felt like a very small community as you traveled

452
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:46,730
around.

453
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:51,850
So to me, that is one of the strongest points of how to maintain a small town bill.

454
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:57,210
It's get those separations of areas in place and keep them in place.

455
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,280
I agree with Mr. Boat, the open space.

456
00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:07,880
It has got back from Europe and we went into this beautiful park that had been there for 400 years.

457
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,860
At one point, one of the kings decided they needed to balance their budget.

458
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,860
They were to sell off half of it.

459
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:19,400
the entire town got out there and had a fit and they made it in that part for 400 years

460
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:25,080
and it's gorgeous, you know. I think open space, you know, when we go out of our smaller town,

461
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:30,160
we can look out and not just see a huge housing development in nothing else. So as we know, we're

462
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:37,540
going to grow, we look at developers who can offer, you know, more parks and say, you know, large

463
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:48,000
pathways where things have amenities like water features where you get out and get away from people like with those part of the things we like.

464
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,320
Another thing is just that, how can you have a small town if it gets if it grows big, right?

465
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,340
It's not small anymore.

466
00:35:54,660 --> 00:36:03,340
But I think if you look at major B, we have been a lot of conversation about we used to have a 3% growth, but now we've blown it, we've lost it.

467
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:11,440
Just out of interest the other day we drew a graph of the 3% growth of when that initiative began and we placed the

468
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,920
the proposed developments underneath it and they still are underneath that graph. So I think that will be

469
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,540
product later.

470
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,820
Again, the rubber stamp, you know, you get some developer, I don't want to be in

471
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:31,560
anything but I've lived her a long time and it gets in developers that come in and

472
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,340
barely making their budget and they just rubber stamp every third house is the

473
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:42,820
same one. They minimize the parks and I think if we understand that we're gonna

474
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:47,480
grow at some rate we want to look at the best filters we can find in the best

475
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,520
developers and I think we as a council and that we'd like to encourage this

476
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:57,940
to do this is it go actually get in your car and look at what some of these people are proposing

477
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:03,480
because if they haven't done another one then maybe that's not the first one to choose so that's

478
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:10,540
that's something else and lastly for me public services you know to our police and our fire

479
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:15,560
are our popular here in Dixon. I don't know if you're not going to mention some other towns but

480
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,260
if you go with some other towns and go to the high school and say what do you think of the

481
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:22,600
we hate them, you know, we're at odds with them, I don't think that, you know, look at

482
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:29,400
we have a school research officer, X1, the head of a job, and I think we still have

483
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:35,400
maintained a respect for our public services, which I think also to buy in a small

484
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,840
found.

485
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,520
So, that for me.

486
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,440
Thank you all, I really appreciate that.

487
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:46,600
So again, it's difficult to define, we've talked about the actual number of housing units

488
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:53,660
that is driven by economic cycles and his council member Ernest mentioned tracking that

489
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:57,000
is something that we've been like as well.

490
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,920
So residents spoke to the fact that they want to retain the sense of community as the

491
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,860
council is noted, but also these are other elements that sort of second what you've already

492
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:09,220
said.

493
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:11,940
So these are the things that we've heard related to that.

494
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:17,400
The next division statement is that new development shall be thoughtfully designed as

495
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,180
to support the strength and strength in the city of Dixon's historic development pattern.

496
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,140
That's kind of a planner-speak kind of thing, but I think that it's directed towards a couple

497
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:34,400
of the comments that the Council members just made related to having variation and having

498
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,160
a variety of housing types that reflect the pattern of Dixon.

499
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,020
And it's wondering if the council has any thoughts on that?

500
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:53,620
Well, I think it's important with any development to provide a variety of choice.

501
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,760
I mean, not everybody has the same green of ownership as the next person,

502
00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:03,860
but finding the right home to fit your budget and your family needs is important.

503
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:06,240
So, not a one-size-fits-all.

504
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:11,500
That's some of the problem I have with some of these things that are being passed down to us from the state,

505
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:12,460
which we're trying to avoid.

506
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,100
And remember, it's the state that says,

507
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:17,460
our three percent growth thing doesn't mean anything anymore.

508
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:21,180
So unless we were act with our own means

509
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,080
and be the creators of our own destiny,

510
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,760
you're going to have the state come down on us

511
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960
in some fly-by-night developers come in

512
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,580
and find a piece of land with us at limits

513
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:32,280
and come in and say, hey, it's a horrible housing

514
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
and get to have their way without us having any sale over it.

515
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:36,900
So I think it's important to keep that in mind

516
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,640
that, as we grow, it's a variety of housing,

517
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:45,420
but it's housing is going through the process, the community process, and our process is

518
00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:47,960
that what we really want here in Dixon is at the type of development.

519
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:52,380
But I think you have to have a variety of options for folks, because not everybody is the

520
00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:52,660
same.

521
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:58,320
In fact, one of our newest developments up on North First Street, their town homes in a gated

522
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,000
area, and that's something new to this community that we don't have.

523
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:08,220
It's been more popular, I guess, in bigger city areas, in the Southern California, but it provides

524
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:13,700
opportunity for people that aren't, maybe ready yet to buy a home and don't want the yard work

525
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:18,540
or the hassle of home ownership and like upkeep of that, or they have that choice. If you're

526
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:24,340
a young professional, maybe you're married, maybe not, maybe you're a room mates, but you have

527
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:30,100
a nice place to live without all the headaches of home ownership and some amenities. So that's

528
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,980
kind of unique. So that is another option that we offer in our community that's never been here before.

529
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:39,040
So I think that's unique and you like to have a variety of options that I said.

530
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,840
So I think I'm going to go back in history a little bit since I've been spending over two years on the history project

531
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,080
for downtown.

532
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:56,200
When the residents first came over and rolled houses and the church over on logs from Soviet

533
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,020
build and they settled over here across the railroad tracks where the train was stopped.

534
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,320
We started building every couple of years that we had a couple of fires we had to rebuild

535
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,880
downtown and whatnot.

536
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:16,560
I think the biggest thing what I got out of doing the history part is break up the patterns.

537
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:20,060
We don't want the same type of housing and everything.

538
00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:24,460
What they mentioned earlier, it wasn't just a green belt, what they bought about, it could

539
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:31,380
parts breaking it up and whatnot. But different ideas were the main book of the neighborhood.

540
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:39,720
I mean, I could go more into the history and I'm going to say everybody that. But just break it up.

541
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:40,820
Okay.

542
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:49,240
Two things. One example that I'll give you is in the southwest. We now have a 343 home of an over community.

543
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,880
That was not a type of housing that we had.

544
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,240
It was much discussed, much forward and now it's here.

545
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:03,620
But still entry-level housing in Dixon is basically,

546
00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:08,160
with few exceptions, starts between five and six hundred thousand,

547
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,540
probably going to see non-fifty, five and over is going to be a three-bedroom.

548
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Well, there are some people that is still far out of their reach.

549
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,600
and one, two, and three bedroom condos or downhomes,

550
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,340
that could be dramatic, less money.

551
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:30,180
I would love to see people be able to stand

552
00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:33,540
X inverses, graduating high school, going to college,

553
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,620
low for losing into other areas that are more affordable.

554
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:43,340
So I will continue to press on the lowest,

555
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,660
and I'm not talking about affordable housing.

556
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:47,840
I'm just talking about a smaller product.

557
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:50,700
There are people out there that would be perfectly happy

558
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,780
with a one-bedroom, one-bath condo

559
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:55,040
because that's what they do.

560
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,780
So just having, so that's why I'm not sure

561
00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:00,320
about the historical development pattern

562
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,760
because we don't have it.

563
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:06,380
We never have, but that, that type of housing,

564
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,680
own that we don't have.

565
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,320
So that's something interesting to get back

566
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,440
it into any future.

567
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,580
We should thank you.

568
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,560
I've brought this up a couple of times and I think I've talked about the biography about it and that is that we were on the planet.

569
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,080
Three of us were on the planning commission before we got up here.

570
00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:34,280
I think it'd be a good idea to maybe get some kind of primer, some type of thing that helps you really understand what a facade is.

571
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:42,360
I mean, what type of style is it, a colonial style, or a frank red light, or a Lloyd Wright style,

572
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:47,020
or whatever, and be able to, at least identify a thousand, you have all these hybrid styles.

573
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,620
But time you're done, you don't know what the head, the builders are talking about.

574
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:57,860
But I think just maybe some basic components of an exterior, water basic styles, and what do we develop?

575
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,240
Do we recognize some styles that are here in Dixon, and maybe bring that to our planning commission,

576
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:09,880
and help them, because they are actually our market sector where you've made you do, could be worth doing.

577
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:15,880
Yeah, I think the nerdy term for baking from the local style is the vernacular.

578
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:19,380
That's the, you can't lose everything.

579
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:21,880
You use this word at the day for you, Council Member.

580
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,240
So with that, let's go forward if we could.

581
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,220
And it speaks to the variety of housing types and opportunity.

582
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:33,740
we focus, Council is very clearly on that, we appreciate that.

583
00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:40,250
One of the more challenging topics that came up in just about every session was the interface

584
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:41,910
between development and agriculture.

585
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:44,450
Dixon is defined by agriculture.

586
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:50,710
Dixon's roots, literally are in agriculture, especially we know this week during May Fairweek.

587
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:57,550
And so we crafted this statement from the different things that we've heard.

588
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:59,290
It's not just a matter of preserving.

589
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,320
Farmland and agriculture, but actually encouraging growth in the agricultural industry in general, as well as trying to balance that with the preservation of open space. So, we'd appreciate your guidance on that.

590
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:30,460
One thing we're proud of is our green belts between backbilt and here, Davis and here we actually have green belts, so we can't throw it together and I think that needs to be recognized as something that we want to keep.

591
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:51,860
Well, there's a fine balance of keeping that agricultural and developing it, and because I step back and I look at the farmland around us and I know many of the farmers and the owners.

592
00:45:52,620 --> 00:46:04,680
One of the things that you see that seems to be happening more often than not is some of these families are aging, and farming isn't the business they want to be anymore nor do their offspring.

593
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,160
they don't want to take it over, so it kind of puts them in a predicament of, I have this

594
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,860
land, this land is basically our retirement, what do I do with it? So unless they sell to

595
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:23,000
another agricultural person, the only other people are developers, and I have a hard time

596
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,200
with personal property, it's your property, and you want to market it, it's kind of up

597
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:37,820
you in a sense, where we come in, if that land is annexed to the city and incorporated, we have

598
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:43,920
control over the type of developments and picking the right developers and things like that.

599
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,600
So that's what our part really comes in, but first and foremost, you know, we're focused

600
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,400
to say, well we don't want to develop any acclant well, if it's not your land to develop

601
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,800
or your land to own, it's up to the first that owns that and like I said, a lot of folks

602
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,580
are selling and moving on to other things or retiring and that's their retirement as a

603
00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:05,640
sale of that land, so I should always keep that in consideration as well.

604
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:06,500
Thank you.

605
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,520
So I have two things to that.

606
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,040
In 1998, there was a series of interviews done in the Sanctuary, the Sanctuary Library,

607
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:23,760
where a gentleman was asked a question about selling the land or keeping the land.

608
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,020
And he frankly said, on the interview,

609
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:28,020
I can't tell the farmer what to do.

610
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,400
That's not my land, that's his choice.

611
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:42,040
Secondly, I want to say, I happen to know when my family, my son-in-law, is probably going to be getting 5,000 acres in North Dakota, because his siblings just don't want it.

612
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:43,300
They don't want to work the farm.

613
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:46,020
So who am I to say of here to a farmer?

614
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,740
You know, don't sell your land.

615
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:50,140
You can't put what you want on that land.

616
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:52,500
And somebody else comes in there and buys it.

617
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:54,740
Thank you.

618
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,580
Other comments?

619
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:08,460
My only thought was that any substantial growth, natural growth, control, plan growth, whatever

620
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:11,560
it is, is going to have to go out.

621
00:48:11,980 --> 00:48:21,040
And we no matter, a component of that is expanding our city, and it's how we go about it.

622
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:26,560
But over what period I mean, I have complete respect, I have farming in my background.

623
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:33,560
as well. And I can tell you that my my family in this 60s lost, lost their, had to sell it,

624
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:40,880
specifically because access and change. So, but at the end of the day, a natural process

625
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,860
of the city's helpfulness is going to be planned and controlled growth. We're going to do anything

626
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:52,220
of any significance. It's unavoidable to go out. I don't think there's a lot of desire to go up.

627
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:57,460
I think there's been a lot every time we've talked about even something that's got a third story that's

628
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:04,900
has been an interesting conversation, so that's going to be a natural component of where we go.

629
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:11,200
Well, I'll just be kind of blunt about it.

630
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:23,740
I personally hate seeing our prime agricultural land being developed, not that I hate development.

631
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,800
I just hate seeing that agricultural land go away.

632
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Because, while there may be millions of bakers around, eventually it will be swallowed up in development.

633
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,600
And then what do we do?

634
00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:46,860
I reproduce our food, how do we grow, you know, how do we deliver the necessities of our life.

635
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:52,920
So, what I personally really love what you're doing with this development.

636
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,980
I think you're really key player in a, and it's a stand of a mighty dare say,

637
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,820
elegant development.

638
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,920
And I appreciate it.

639
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:06,800
It's just the other side of the coin bugs me about it.

640
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:14,040
There's written out anything any of us could do about it, because as it's been pointed out, it's not the government's land.

641
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,620
It's not my land.

642
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:23,940
As the individual farmers or landowners land, as their choice, what they do with it, and that extent.

643
00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:30,810
So, that's my biggest problem with it.

644
00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:35,830
I think we should be building up more than how our building in the hills, more in the

645
00:50:35,830 --> 00:50:40,630
flat in the land of our primary is. But it is what it is.

646
00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:43,970
And unless something along

647
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:45,230
those line changes,

648
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,880
we're going to keep doing these developments as we go along and just

649
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:57,440
pretty tell that they're at least the equivalent of the value, should I say, of what

650
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,040
You folks are doing it with your open spaces, with your, you know,

651
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:07,800
honoring the agriculture

652
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,560
anyway.

653
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:17,120
So, that's how I really feel about development and agricultural land, but people aren't

654
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,560
going to farm it, and it's not going to be used.

655
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:29,770
You know, the other issue too is not all farmland is created equal, even we have good farmland

656
00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:34,470
out here but there are bits and pieces if you have the sandy porous soil that's usually

657
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:38,630
what you want to grow things so the water filters through and gets the roots but keeps

658
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:43,050
going down the water table but these other places have that hard band clay which holds

659
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:49,910
water and is counterproductive to rock production such. So I guess in a perfect world you know

660
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:56,170
you build on that non-porous soil and leave the porous soil open for farming but like I said

661
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:57,430
that's a perfect world.

662
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:59,730
The other thing too, I think the nature of agriculture

663
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:02,090
is changing, and we're seeing a lot of changing

664
00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:04,490
in the next century.

665
00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:08,150
And most of that change is going to be vertical for me.

666
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:12,110
I think we have a shop out here, this growing greens,

667
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:13,130
Gotham greens.

668
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:16,550
If you haven't seen that, it's a pretty amazing thing to go see,

669
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:20,150
but I think that's probably the way of the future

670
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:25,030
to produce more on smaller areas and control that irrigation.

671
00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:29,790
So, this thing's to think about, I mean, you know, we get in this panic like we used to

672
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:33,690
these vast foreign lands, and I think those are probably going to be a thing of the past.

673
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:37,750
Anyway, we're going to start doing the same thing in a smaller space, so something to think

674
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:38,490
about.

675
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:39,850
Mayor, can I ask you a question?

676
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:45,930
I find, before I got in council, I find myself sitting out there not quite sure, as a member

677
00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:50,090
of the public, when I was, how you were going to handle on these kind of sessions when

678
00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:53,450
the public was going to be able to speak, and there's going to be like, it looks like you

679
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:58,470
or seven more slides, so I didn't, I don't want it to be able to, like,

680
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:59,370
what was your plan?

681
00:52:59,630 --> 00:53:04,230
Plan has let the presenters present, and if we have continued discussion, like we always do,

682
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:07,330
and then we're going to go out to the public and take their comments and then we'll

683
00:53:07,330 --> 00:53:08,370
have seven different slides.

684
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:12,370
Yeah, we're working through them pretty quickly, actually, so we're just...

685
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:14,170
And you're the last speaker at this point?

686
00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:14,610
Yes.

687
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:16,470
I think we're good.

688
00:53:17,350 --> 00:53:21,950
And just to clarify, add to the council and respond to your question,

689
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:34,250
Council member Johnson, we're going to go through the vision statements and then I'm just going to touch on the guiding principles because there's a lot of meat there folks can see it in the report and that sort of thing.

690
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:41,770
But that's intended for more study, more discussion because obviously this project is going to move forward for the next couple of years.

691
00:53:41,770 --> 00:53:46,150
With that, I'll go ahead and proceed with the pleasure of the council.

692
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:50,210
Save and convenient connections.

693
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:56,770
One of the things that came up very frequently is the idea that new developments must look for

694
00:53:57,370 --> 00:54:06,210
Class One, Bikeways, Class One, Walking Trails, Making sure it's very attractive for community members to

695
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:10,870
move into the central business district, move throughout the city, without having to go

696
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:18,050
in the streets, and make it a very safe set of opportunities, wondering what council's thoughts

697
00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:19,690
are on that spot.

698
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:21,270
Yes.

699
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:25,310
I'm on the transport, some of the transportation committees, and we talk about the different

700
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:31,970
classes of bikeways, and the best one is the one you might know, one A and it's protected

701
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:35,470
from traffic, where a lot of times you don't have enough money, but you have to provide

702
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:43,270
The bike lanes, you just put a stripe on the middle of a fast, busy street, and the most moms

703
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:45,670
won't let the kid get on that and they're bike on that thing.

704
00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:52,210
So did you really provide a bike lane or not, I think Lewis here has been close and pretty interesting

705
00:54:52,210 --> 00:54:59,570
things where they have a essay of a wider bike lane and walking way, but not only goes to our

706
00:54:59,570 --> 00:55:04,230
next to our town, but it also underneath has some of the infrastructure they need, some of the

707
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:12,850
and some of the sewer line and stuff, so it's a multi-use thing, but you end up with a really nice looking pathway that's usable by our city.

708
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:14,510
I think that was a great idea.

709
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:18,910
Any other comments on this one?

710
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:20,290
Hearing none.

711
00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:27,610
Again, that connection between new development and the existing city was brought up as being very important.

712
00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:36,010
And as both Rafi is mentioned and the mayor's mentioned, the buildout is over probably 20 years.

713
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:44,990
Again, the economic cycles of ups and downs will drive that the market will tell the builders what to do.

714
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:49,090
But in essence, as an informational item, this is what we project.

715
00:55:50,370 --> 00:55:55,550
And so I think this has already been addressed by council unless you have any other comments on who we had.

716
00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:06,230
And this last one comes from a lot of conversations with the council and with the mayor about

717
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:14,530
autonomy and it comes from the land use and the city of Dixon defining both the form and the function of the future city.

718
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:18,730
And wondering if there's anything else that you would like to say about this.

719
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:22,950
Just so we want to maintain as much local controls we can.

720
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:40,430
Okay. Very good. So that concludes the vision statements. And so what I'd like to do is quickly go over some more topics that the Council is if you'd like to dive into any of them, that would be great to receive any guidance you have on them.

721
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:50,390
Again, these are sort of fine grain bits of information that we received, especially about what the members of the community would like to see.

722
00:56:50,610 --> 00:57:00,690
When it comes to the field, the shape and the function of the new development, the things that it should have. Again, we reiterate the small town field here.

723
00:57:00,690 --> 00:57:06,690
As Rafi mentioned, the school site is something that we're working very closely with the school district

724
00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:11,850
to understand what their thoughts are and their vision is, because ultimately those are their decisions.

725
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:19,690
But with that we're looking to facilitate those discussions, and I know that the applicant has been in contact with him for quite a long time.

726
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:21,390
So, yes.

727
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:23,210
I think that's an important issue.

728
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:28,590
I mean, I know that we are on the two-by-two, where we talk to the schools for the dead.

729
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:31,170
And are we going to need another school or not?

730
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:35,770
And the thought is right now that we don't, is the way that there's some empty classroom.

731
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:38,610
But it's a 20-year deal.

732
00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:45,150
And building out for that long, at 200-300 houses a year, eventually we're going to need a school.

733
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:51,070
And I like the idea that you've placed an area on there in different colors of the schools site.

734
00:57:51,070 --> 00:57:59,390
And there's a possibility that at least you get it's own that way and maybe have an option 10 years or 15 years from now if it's not needed,

735
00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:05,890
it could be a rezoned, but to start out without any school site out there as I think it would take.

736
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:08,390
Appreciate that. Thank you.

737
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:13,210
So really, and I know we've talked about this before.

738
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:16,430
with the negotiations or the thoughts of the school district.

739
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:18,530
If it's not meant to be right now,

740
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:20,210
it could be in the future,

741
00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:24,970
and an example would be the Southwest development

742
00:58:24,970 --> 00:58:28,430
where so many children were expected to come in

743
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:31,490
and those numbers never even came up.

744
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:34,210
So that's why if one doesn't get built perhaps

745
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:36,010
maybe in the future.

746
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:38,350
Great, thank you.

747
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:40,670
Yeah, it's because the open space I think really,

748
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:51,470
I don't, I think a lot of people would agree with me that he gets some water feeders around, you know, little lakes or ponds, where and with walkways around him, it really makes a community a nicer area.

749
00:58:52,130 --> 00:59:09,850
A lot of people like to go out and just relax and look out over water and stuff, and I think that there's some of the possibility here, because it's the, as the water drains kind of from the north to south, you're going to end up with some of that water and it's done a problem for years on what to do with that water.

750
00:59:09,850 --> 00:59:18,230
But to make it an amenity where it's something that's actually nice that people can live around is a great opportunity to make a nice looking area.

751
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:19,850
Okay, thank you.

752
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:23,990
There's nothing else on this one. Let's move forward.

753
00:59:24,730 --> 00:59:32,050
Fiscal analysis, one thing that came up very frequently is the question, okay, who's going to pay for this and is just going to come out of my pocket.

754
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:46,130
So with that staff is moving forward to have an independent financial analysis completed on the project as it relates to the city related to infrastructure expenses and all those other pieces.

755
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:59,970
Another point is the Public and Community Benefits discussion that's something as this project moves forward and as the city and the applicant start working together on a development agreement there.

756
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:12,260
We'll be given take on those sorts of things and I'm sure that staff will be coming back to you to the mayor and the council for guidance as to the priorities for that set of negotiations and those amenities.

757
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:29,480
The cost of public services is something that you might remember the contract for that work was just kicked off, firm by the name of AP Triton, which consists of retired fire chiefs, police chiefs and other folks.

758
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:40,200
They're busy looking through the data that contacted Chief Thompson and the other leaders of the city and they're gathering information.

759
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,360
They're looking at the geographic layout of things, looking at what the future city might look like.

760
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:53,880
And they're going to be coming back with recommendations for both of the police and a fire master plan for the city, which will be the first time that that's ever been deleted.

761
01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:08,980
So that's one thing that's moving forward in parallel with this, and as part of their work is not just looking at facilities and staffing, but also the cost of public safety improvements. So that will be part of their report as well.

762
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:14,060
I think it's super important. I think that there's been a lot of conversation about we have one

763
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:18,200
first station now we're going to have another one down by the new homestead development

764
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,940
but are we going to need eventually a triangle of three so that we can get you have both cover

765
01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:29,040
both sides of the of the railroad trapped and I think we really need to keep our aisle on that as

766
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,520
as that. What is it right in there? AP Triton is a name of the firm.

767
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:36,380
Thank you.

768
01:01:36,740 --> 01:01:38,780
Infrastructure needs.

769
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:56,480
When it comes to discussing infrastructure, utility connections, or future areas, that is, in essence, in building parlance, building enough blind conduit or capacity within the design to make sure that it supports other future activities and vision by the city.

770
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:05,840
And so with that we look for collaboration with the applicant team and which is occurring right now to understand the mechanics of that engineering.

771
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:16,700
The other part of the two is that one of the comments we received very, very frequently is that folks want to make sure that the amenities as well as the infrastructure going as quickly as possible.

772
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:25,840
The old saw of having a neighborhood with one gallon trees up front for five years, you know, that's something that people want to avoid.

773
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:31,180
So the timing of the development of the utilities and all the other amenities that are important.

774
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:41,940
The local and regional transportation analysis is underway and working with both the applicants engineering team and the city's engineering team.

775
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:54,280
We're looking at what the transportation impact analysis is going to look like, not only for the current city and the proposed development, but surrounding cities that are within the planning area of the city of Dixon.

776
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:08,380
So that analysis is going to look at the vehicular traffic, it's going to look at trails, bikes, that sort of thing, and also in talking with our partners at STA, what eventually could be connections for transit in the future.

777
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:16,260
So making sure that we have opportunities identified and planned boards, and that's the presentation.

778
01:03:17,020 --> 01:03:20,420
So if you have any other comments or questions, I'd love to try and answer them,

779
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,600
but otherwise I'll give it back to you, Mayor Bird.

780
01:03:22,940 --> 01:03:24,480
Okay, so anything before we go to the public.

781
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,200
Mr. Henderson, what we were doing the goal planning, right?

782
01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:33,200
One of the things he brought up, and I think we all agreed with him,

783
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,640
we need a community center and I think I'm just bringing that back up and feeling his idea

784
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:43,420
that I think that I think that I should be looked at seriously as one of the amenities

785
01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:51,380
I offered and maybe one of the developers talked about having a water feature so you have a community

786
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:55,220
center and you can walk out and see a body of water that was pretty good.

787
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:03,640
I just had a final comment and you already hit on it but I just want to cap on it as we consider

788
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:09,140
of this project, in addition, as all the investigations are done, learning from other communities

789
01:04:09,820 --> 01:04:14,460
that have found themselves in a trouble by outgrowing their ability to provide.

790
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:21,340
So having that clearly analyzed and having a clear understanding of that both on services

791
01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:24,120
and from a fiscal point of view is a critical component.

792
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:30,200
The mayor mentioned it before that there are actually some local communities that are struggling

793
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:30,880
with that now.

794
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,760
So that's part of a controlled and planned growth.

795
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:40,740
And the same thing, when it comes to public safety,

796
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,840
we, that's part of the biggest thing that I'm

797
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,600
going to be keeping an eye on is our ability

798
01:04:47,540 --> 01:04:49,440
to completely support.

799
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,100
And as I feel like that might be the way we lose our identity

800
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:57,140
if we start growing beyond our capability of providing,

801
01:04:58,420 --> 01:04:59,700
that's how we're going to lose part of it.

802
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:07,880
So the fact that that's all factored in and we can see how that growth is going to pay

803
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,720
for itself, provide for itself, that's a big component in the analysis of the budget

804
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,520
side.

805
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:16,700
And I know you're doing it.

806
01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:17,660
I'm looking forward to the data.

807
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:19,800
There you go.

808
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:26,600
Well, I have one more note that if there's a proposed school site, it would possibly be connected

809
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,280
to a part of Green Space, where it would be a chair.

810
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,900
That might be, I think they're looking at it by the way.

811
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,860
Did I get it?

812
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Anyone else before I go public?

813
01:05:41,140 --> 01:05:41,320
Yes.

814
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,280
So being on the planning commission prior to Mr. Ernest Mr. Johnson,

815
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,720
we've always pushed it out there.

816
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:52,020
We have public input and have meetings.

817
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:55,340
And this by far has had the most public meeting.

818
01:05:57,740 --> 01:06:00,400
And that really does matter.

819
01:06:01,340 --> 01:06:05,480
The other thing too is we talked about public safety a couple of times here.

820
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,820
We are having a fire station too, which is getting near the background.

821
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:16,020
And what the need to extend our public safety to the southeast,

822
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,740
if this was the happenings, definitely in need.

823
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,260
And by looking into it early.

824
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:24,600
Thank you Mayor and thank you council members.

825
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,160
All right.

826
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:25,880
Thank you.

827
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,460
So, I have quite a few speaker cards in one comment card, so we're going to divulge

828
01:06:31,460 --> 01:06:35,920
into that first and if someone didn't turn one in, I'd like to speak, we'll get to you as

829
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,520
well.

830
01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:41,340
Since I have some minutes, I just want to remind everyone that you keep it on topic, what

831
01:06:41,340 --> 01:06:45,160
we're talking about, and you have three minutes, and I will hold you to that three minute

832
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:45,680
time.

833
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,400
So, if I say, you're Mark, you're going to look at the light, it'll come on red when you hit

834
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:49,940
that mark.

835
01:06:49,940 --> 01:06:56,900
If you didn't get to say everything yet to say at that point, we do have comments at the end and

836
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:00,800
all allow the speakers to come back at the end if they want to talk about it a little bit.

837
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:04,560
Just because I know this is a very passionate thing, there's a lot of you, but let's give it

838
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,680
it your three minutes if you can.

839
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:06,720
All right.

840
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:11,960
The first card I have is the comment card that person did not want to speak, but wanted to emphasize

841
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:18,620
that once the new develops to slow down a bit, make sure our infrastructure is fixed first

842
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:24,900
up to date and it was from a long time resident so I just read that one and that first one was

843
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:30,380
a talk they can talk later. The rest of them are speaker parts so I'll go ahead and start

844
01:07:30,380 --> 01:07:36,020
with Michael walking near the first one. Come up to the microphone.

845
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:54,820
I mean to come up so fast and so many times. I guess I just have one question about this and

846
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:58,640
you know I don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough on this taken opinion one way or another.

847
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,220
I definitely, you know, I've seen it both ways.

848
01:08:01,220 --> 01:08:07,380
I would've been Santa Barbara for a while, 20 years, they fought, they fought both, you know,

849
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:13,120
hardly, you know, my parents are farmers and people own the land, neighboring to us.

850
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:16,200
They certainly wanted to develop it and never got that far out.

851
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,540
But I am interested in the laws I'm going to do with the green belt and where I'll wear what

852
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:21,740
I get my hands on those.

853
01:08:21,940 --> 01:08:28,620
I mean, they're supposed to be a green belt between here and Davis, and that seems to be well

854
01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:34,260
in the, and what the rules on the green belt between here and, in fact, I, you know, I lived in

855
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:38,920
these coasts for a little while, uh, two, uh, a couple of years, and I went to college, I

856
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,500
charged down for a little while. I mean, it's, it's interesting. You can travel basically

857
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:51,080
from Washington, DC all the way, the best of Maine, and you can see houses all the way through.

858
01:08:51,980 --> 01:08:56,060
It's, they call it, they call it, they make a lot of, it is bizarre, and it is, it's not

859
01:08:56,060 --> 01:09:01,280
feeling that you really want to have is is nice to have well-defined areas. But I am, you know,

860
01:09:01,420 --> 01:09:04,120
do I just go from we ask you where would I get a copy of the Green Belt rule?

861
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,380
I would say it is come to City Hall and speak to staff all of the time because you guys have it here.

862
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:12,360
Yeah, you would just come to City Hall. I don't mind giving you a few seconds and give me a break.

863
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,720
So that's, I don't go wrong. That would right there behind you. That was all about it.

864
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:20,800
He runs the, I guess that's it. Thank you, sir.

865
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,320
Alicia Maris, did I say that right?

866
01:09:32,820 --> 01:09:33,200
Good evening.

867
01:09:34,060 --> 01:09:38,840
What's left of the council? My name is Alicia Maris. I'm a business representative

868
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,340
for the sheet metal workers local 104 and I represent Dixon families. Several of these

869
01:09:44,340 --> 01:09:52,300
families have been to some of these public meetings held on this project and what kind

870
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:58,600
concerns me is that on the staff report, as well as this vision statement, there wasn't

871
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:03,580
a word raised about the concerns brought up by working Dixon families.

872
01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:13,420
Not a word about paying a family sustaining wage to the people who build it, not a word

873
01:10:13,420 --> 01:10:16,300
about healthcare benefits for those folks.

874
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:35,480
Construction is very much a middle-class occupation, and if you're not paying the construction workers who build those houses enough to afford those houses, it's not affordable housing, and there was the subject of affordable housing brought up so glad to hear that.

875
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:46,140
We don't understand why this project is being proposed other than to make one family wealthy and a powerful developer even richer.

876
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,340
We don't need this much housing in Dixon.

877
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:59,480
The state of California says that Dixon's doing just fine without this particular project and approved of the city's plan for housing that goes into 2030s.

878
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,760
And harvest was not a part of that approval.

879
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:09,940
And what we're concerned about is why this unnecessary project is getting preferred treatment

880
01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:16,780
to what might be considered competitive projects being proposed by longstanding Dixon families.

881
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:24,240
And it's also concerning that my members tax money is being used by the city to sue those

882
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,780
local families in an unprecedented suit.

883
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:36,100
Hopefully it's not due to the senior managers decades-long personal friendship with Robert and Richard Lewis, the developers.

884
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:54,780
We're asking that you slow this down and take a good hard look at what Dixon and the Dixon community needs, not just what a developer needs and what is being sold as something that has to happen because it doesn't.

885
01:11:54,780 --> 01:12:04,600
development, yes, does have to happen, but not at this rate, and doesn't have to happen this way.

886
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,040
Thank you. Andy Twist.

887
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:25,860
A lot of stuff that I was going to talk about has already been said, so I'll make it for it.

888
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:33,000
I think if you look at what they were saying about, we stayed under a 3% rule, I think that's

889
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,100
if you took everything in bundled together, you didn't do each year at a time.

890
01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:41,060
The other pocket is that they're wanting to annex the land.

891
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,120
So that's kind of like taking it.

892
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,000
So the deal is this.

893
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:49,820
I've seen a lot of meetings for the Greenville, but nobody's willing to talk about it.

894
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,400
And I know when I was a kid, it was in 86.

895
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:54,360
It was like the shape and the batter.

896
01:12:55,300 --> 01:13:00,380
I asked to get it from City Hall. They would not give it to me. So I went to a vacadil.

897
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,240
They had one. It was all cut up. It was for that year only 2023.

898
01:13:05,140 --> 01:13:08,120
But I found a master print. It's in the Harbison house at the nut tree.

899
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:13,740
But I went in there. I said, I found a master print. Let me go down and let's look at it.

900
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:15,400
Okay. He goes in the back.

901
01:13:16,820 --> 01:13:19,580
He comes back. He's white as it goes. I said, the mayor said you couldn't do it, right?

902
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,100
He said, not to. I look out first.

903
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:27,320
All the maneuvers times could not get it when I'm getting out by mentioning the green belt with all this because they want to annex the land

904
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,340
I say we've already cut it up. It looks like pack man

905
01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:33,300
It's not anything close to what originally was

906
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:37,140
We can reallocate this land right out here. Green belt this area

907
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:40,940
And not have to worry about it unless you guys can figure out how to get it.

908
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,440
Order, please.

909
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:49,570
This is a business meeting. All right.

910
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:50,850
Caleb Gomez

911
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:07,820
Good evening.

912
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:08,640
My name is Kayla.

913
01:14:08,980 --> 01:14:11,060
I'm a field representative for Local 180.

914
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:12,080
What covers the six.

915
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:13,280
Fixing.

916
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,260
Here today to highlight the potential benefit.

917
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,040
The potential benefit is a project like this could bring.

918
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:24,840
However, my primary concern is whether this project will genuinely serve the interest

919
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:25,660
of our community.

920
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:32,420
The partner is important to know if the developer plans to hire a responsible general

921
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:37,720
that committed to fair wages, health benefits, and the apprenticeship.

922
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,200
Fair wages are essential to address the high possible living in our area.

923
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:49,340
Ensuring health care benefits may mean my family, me, as well as my fellow workers, can access

924
01:14:49,340 --> 01:14:52,300
necessary medical services without financial strain.

925
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:58,360
Local hiring practices are crucial not only to avoid long commute, but also to great

926
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,960
drops and strength in our community.

927
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:14,540
I urge the developer to prioritize these values, fair wages, comprehensive health care, local hiring, also general contractors at higher from state of British citizenship program, so that this project can prove you benefit our community.

928
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:20,720
Jeremy is economic.

929
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:22,160
Got it?

930
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:22,400
All right.

931
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,660
Well, I appreciate you guys hearing me out today.

932
01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:33,980
I just had a couple of comments.

933
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,580
As you said, my name is Jeremy Peppano.

934
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,640
I'm currently serving as a President, organizer of IBEW,

935
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:42,660
Local 18, Bill Electricians Union.

936
01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:47,680
And because everyone always asks,

937
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:49,140
yes, I'm a local local.

938
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:54,140
I'm probably wondering if you and the room that didn't mutton, but at the Dixon May fair, I remember

939
01:15:54,140 --> 01:15:58,220
sewing at Fireshap Party Market that most people probably just think is a park now.

940
01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:04,280
I went to Anderson Elementary, went to CAJCups, I was Dixon FFA, I played football at Dixon.

941
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:11,340
For the gentleman that's in the history of the council member done, my dad's mightu, my mom's Patlin.

942
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,620
So I've got a long interest in this piece of dirt.

943
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:19,980
And what sells houses is I-80.

944
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,740
We have one because we're on I-80.

945
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,600
We don't have to compromise on anything because we're on I-80.

946
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:29,180
I-80 is gold.

947
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,580
We don't have to compromise on anything.

948
01:16:31,860 --> 01:16:36,080
If the developers are not going to do it the way that your constituents want it.

949
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,200
Someone else will knock on the door next week because we're on I-80.

950
01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:42,580
The Bay Area is never going to stop marching down I-80.

951
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:45,940
We can get absolutely everything that we want or don't want.

952
01:16:46,140 --> 01:16:49,220
We don't have to do this project or we can do this project.

953
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:54,900
I'm not opposed to change, change is going to happen one way the other.

954
01:16:55,180 --> 01:17:01,460
But we can, as a community, get everything we want out of every single project because we are an I80.

955
01:17:01,940 --> 01:17:03,920
We're not in a hall or in West Virginia.

956
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,780
We're in California and I80.

957
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:10,360
We can get anything and everything we want to mold our community.

958
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:18,580
The better our community, and like my brothers and sisters said, this is a generational issue.

959
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:24,700
We do not have to say yes to every single project or no to every single project, but what we can,

960
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,680
and what we should do is use it as a mold to benefit our community.

961
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:33,960
Because as the gentleman that's in the history knows, I've been on this piece of dirt.

962
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:37,320
My jocondo DNA for over 10,000 years plus.

963
01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:44,800
I'm invested in this piece of dirt in this community and I want the best for it, I care about it.

964
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:47,360
And that's going to come through a long line.

965
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:49,640
Oh, I'm almost out of time.

966
01:17:51,860 --> 01:17:53,040
It's all I had to say.

967
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,400
I appreciate you guys hearing me out.

968
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:55,040
Thank you, Jeremy.

969
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,240
And, Danny, where are you?

970
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,300
So, I'm a business rep for the little 343 funders teamfingers.

971
01:18:13,460 --> 01:18:16,880
But I'm also a fixed resident and I've got some feelings about this project.

972
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:22,620
As a Dixon resident, I didn't move here to see Dixon become a suburb of the Bay Area or Sacramento.

973
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:35,080
You can talk about all you want about the traffic improvements, but you can't add thousands of car trips today of a Dixon Street with this project and not have terrible impact on the quality of our lives.

974
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:41,980
Every project in Fairfield and Sacramento is declared you're mitigating the traffic and look at those besties turned out.

975
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:49,560
Over 800 acres of farmland will be lost and you want to spend relative pocket change to

976
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,640
developer provide so-called the mandies that mostly benefit the new residents.

977
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:58,500
You can't lose that much farmland and not hurt the local farm economy.

978
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,300
Let's look at the next mayor come out.

979
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:02,860
It's pretty cool.

980
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:03,600
I think anyway.

981
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,080
It's up in here.

982
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:10,040
You also are going to put pressure on the farmers to sell for development and there's less support

983
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:16,960
that land use. Again, I'm a construction worker, largely, and it's been tough for us lately.

984
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:21,960
But even if this developer committed to use the local workforce, being a decent resident,

985
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:25,760
I'm not even sure if it's even worse, but I like the way it gets to it is now.

986
01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:31,060
But when we move here, we end my family. And I brought my family here for a reason.

987
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,480
And I like how the town is now. It's a waste of days.

988
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:39,640
I'd like my brother to sister just said, but it's lower down a little bit.

989
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:42,380
It's just kind of take a look and see what we can do.

990
01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:43,380
But uh, appreciate your time.

991
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:44,980
Thank you.

992
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:45,920
All right.

993
01:19:46,060 --> 01:19:48,160
That's the last of my speaker cards.

994
01:19:48,380 --> 01:19:50,500
So if there's anyone in the audience that didn't turn one in,

995
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,380
I'd like to talk.

996
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,900
You can sign up at the back and come down one by one.

997
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,160
But if it about being in the front is your first in line, right?

998
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:00,820
There you go.

999
01:20:01,580 --> 01:20:03,580
Good evening Mayor Bird and Council members.

1000
01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:06,940
I think most of you know me, but if you don't, or folks in the audience don't,

1001
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:10,680
I'm Katlano Haller and Heller, and I'm a lifetime Dixon resident.

1002
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:15,580
I also thank you, Mike recall, that my mother, Mary Meburton, who was actually mentioned

1003
01:20:15,580 --> 01:20:21,340
earlier this evening for her contributions to performing arts, was the architect of Measure B.

1004
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:27,060
And while I've read and understand the conflict that Measure B has with state law, and I read

1005
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:32,160
the housing element and understand that the city's housing element and understand that

1006
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:37,820
harvest development when combined with the other multiple developments under

1007
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:43,040
consideration far exceed six and state required growth. So we're good until

1008
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:48,500
twenty thirty one as I read the housing element. So while I believe that all

1009
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:53,280
of you do want what is best for Dixon, I also believe that your views about

1010
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,820
what is best might conflict with some of what your constituents want. For

1011
01:20:58,820 --> 01:21:09,440
We don't think that tonight's conversation should be about whether or not we have a splash pad or walking trails in a 6,000 person, a 6,000 home development.

1012
01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:19,300
The question should be, do we want 6,000 in more homes when our housing element up until 2031 only requires 417?

1013
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:27,160
For us, maintaining a small town feel means no urban sprawl, and right now with the developments

1014
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,440
that are approved and the developments that are being considered were growing in all directions,

1015
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,720
and that feels like sprawl to me.

1016
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:40,000
I represent a group of like-minded Dixonites who have come together to change the focus of this conversation,

1017
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,120
not just tonight, but in the big picture.

1018
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:50,020
We've created a grassroots nonprofit called Keep Dixon Green and for folks who are asking for more information

1019
01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:53,120
It's keepdixongreen.com easy to find us

1020
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:59,040
And I'm currently serving as the president of the organization. There are a couple of other board members here tonight

1021
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,840
And we have a couple of requests

1022
01:22:01,420 --> 01:22:05,280
One is that considering that measure be was passed overwhelmingly

1023
01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:10,800
At least twice by Dixon voters, we asked you to honor the spirit of measure be

1024
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:16,820
And I understand you said there's some documentation that says that maybe that's all the buildout would be within that.

1025
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:23,360
But when I look at the two housing developments currently underway, the one that was approved and then homestead,

1026
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,960
the math sort of isn't mapping for me there if we had another 6,000.

1027
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:28,840
So I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.

1028
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:40,060
And our second request is that you meet that state required housing element of 417 houses and then place a moratorium on all new construction.

1029
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:46,400
for five years. We believe that these two requests will give Dixon residents the time that they need

1030
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:52,720
to work with you to plan for the future that will keep Dixon free. Thank you. Thank you and thank you

1031
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,720
for keeping it in another three minutes. Dixon, please.

1032
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:05,950
I think you turned it off. So there you go. You're

1033
01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:11,870
good. Appreciate you guys having me. My name is Mike Maloney. I've been here in Dixon

1034
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:19,250
about six years now moved here because I fell in love with the town. I worked here at a couple

1035
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:26,770
of small local businesses and really fell in love with the town beside a move here. Originally

1036
01:23:26,770 --> 01:23:33,390
from beneath I grew up there. I worked there. I didn't move out of beneath here because I like

1037
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:40,030
driving to the beneath every day. I moved out because I liked the town and the small town

1038
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:41,270
be all that kind of stuff.

1039
01:23:42,190 --> 01:23:44,770
And I think it's kind of beaten a dead horse here,

1040
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:50,630
but I have concerns regarding the size of the development.

1041
01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:55,190
I think the most important part of Dixon is to keep it small.

1042
01:23:55,790 --> 01:24:00,050
And I don't think you're going to do that by what's

1043
01:24:00,050 --> 01:24:02,110
like almost doubling the size of the town.

1044
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:03,330
I mean, it's a huge development.

1045
01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:05,830
It's ridiculous, I think.

1046
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:09,470
I don't want to go down north-first street and feel

1047
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:13,190
like I'm going down East Montevista in Vacaville on a busy day.

1048
01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:16,970
So we're not Vacaville, we're not fair field,

1049
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:18,070
we're not trying to be.

1050
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:20,670
I think I speak on behalf of most of the town

1051
01:24:21,650 --> 01:24:23,370
that we don't want this.

1052
01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:25,210
We just, we want to stay small.

1053
01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:26,810
That's why people move here.

1054
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:29,930
I work with a lot of people in the industry.

1055
01:24:30,130 --> 01:24:32,470
I work in a lot of blue collar folks.

1056
01:24:32,690 --> 01:24:33,910
They work down in the Bay Area.

1057
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:35,290
And guess what?

1058
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:36,850
A lot of them live up here.

1059
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:39,330
and the same for the same reason.

1060
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:42,830
They don't live up here so they can commute down to the South Bay

1061
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:45,390
or whatever and get certain traffic all the time.

1062
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:48,170
They live here because they enjoy it here for what it is.

1063
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:50,270
So don't change it.

1064
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:50,670
Well, I'll go say.

1065
01:24:51,130 --> 01:24:52,790
Thank you.

1066
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:54,510
Next, please.

1067
01:24:59,140 --> 01:25:00,480
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, County members.

1068
01:25:00,620 --> 01:25:03,580
Hello, I am Jason Russell, I am a Dixon resident.

1069
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:08,440
I notice there's a lot of young people here in the chamber this evening.

1070
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:18,420
And I don't know that they necessarily appreciate how much a decision around a community like this matters to them at this point in their life.

1071
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:29,520
Half of America right now are cost burdened by the cost of their shelter, meaning they spend more than 30% of their income on the cost of their shelter.

1072
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:35,100
Since 2019, rents have increased one and a half times the speed of their incomes.

1073
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:40,040
This combined with mortgage rates that have more than doubled in the last three years have

1074
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:47,240
created a housing affordability issue that is unparalleled in the last 40 years.

1075
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:48,900
What does this mean in practice?

1076
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,920
In 1984, the average age of a first time home buyer was 29 years old, today it's 38.

1077
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:03,540
The price of a home in California is 8.4 times that of someone's annual income.

1078
01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:11,500
I don't want to spend my limited time here railing on Sika and other zoning issues, but what

1079
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:17,280
I would say is that studies have shown that families who struggle to afford their housing,

1080
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,760
they delay medical care, they eat less healthy food, and they have higher levels of anxiety

1081
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,380
and depression.

1082
01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:31,020
Income inequality is a huge issue for us as a country, as a whole, and the only solve for

1083
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:44,760
This is to be able to lower the cost of housing, and we have tried many, many, many things over the past decades in this country, the lower the cost of housing, and the only thing that works is supply.

1084
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:55,260
So I want to speak in favor of growing. Yes, do I want us to grow wisely? Do I want us to do it thoughtfully? Absolutely.

1085
01:26:55,260 --> 01:27:01,740
But I think when you look at these young people who are here in the chambers tonight, if you want them to grow up here

1086
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:08,660
live here, work here, and grow families here, you have to give them some work to live. Thank you.

1087
01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:09,780
Thank you.

1088
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:10,800
Next, please.

1089
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:21,100
Good evening. My name is Mike Marsden. I am also on the board of deep mixing green.

1090
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:27,020
Move to Dixon about six years ago, and I have absolutely loved here.

1091
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:32,320
May or bird, I'd want to touch on something that you said early that that was interesting to me.

1092
01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:41,060
You said you sympathize with farmers wanting to sell their land and we do not have necessarily the right say who they can sell it to.

1093
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:49,600
And that's true, but there are limitations. I can't sell my house in and out if they really, really want it, right? They're zoning that have.

1094
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:56,860
And, and we should be very cognizant that the tone and tenor of what I see here tonight is that

1095
01:27:56,860 --> 01:28:03,420
almost like developers are saviors coming in. If they're going to come in and pay farmers

1096
01:28:03,420 --> 01:28:09,440
a multiplier of what their land is worth, then yeah. Why wouldn't you if someone came to me and said,

1097
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:15,600
hey, I paid a million dollars for your house in the 4,500,000. I'm probably going to sell my house.

1098
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,160
And I have to imagine that they're the same.

1099
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,740
They are for profit businesses.

1100
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,340
They are not our savings.

1101
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:30,760
They are not going to give us anything more than exactly what they have to give us

1102
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:36,680
because they have responsibility to their investors or return on profit as they should.

1103
01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:38,840
Any for profit business is that way.

1104
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:40,740
I would expect nothing less from that.

1105
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:46,260
But we should be doing our job to be as skeptical of that as humanly possible.

1106
01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:48,560
We're not anti-grove.

1107
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:50,860
I know growth is going to happen.

1108
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,440
Every single one of you said, it's inevitable.

1109
01:28:54,020 --> 01:28:54,960
It's going to happen, yes.

1110
01:28:55,180 --> 01:28:58,180
It is going to happen, but it can happen wisely.

1111
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,400
And it can happen with the input of this community.

1112
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:07,260
Dixon does not have to grow by the amounts that we're talking here.

1113
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:13,580
And this is just harvesters, multilies, as previous speaker said, there's multiple developments

1114
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:20,260
on the board that are going to just absolutely explode the population today.

1115
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:22,360
Thanks.

1116
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:23,300
Thanks.

1117
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:23,480
Thanks,

1118
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:29,000
please.

1119
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:30,480
Council, Mr. Mayor.

1120
01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:31,760
My name is Blaise Duros.

1121
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:43,580
I am an 11-year Dixon resident, which by local standards means that I might as well

1122
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:52,800
You've heard from a lot of your constituents tonight, and a lot of them, a lot of them,

1123
01:29:52,820 --> 01:29:57,220
not all of them, but a lot of them have said that they're not in favor of these kinds

1124
01:29:57,220 --> 01:29:59,660
of relatives of this kind of...

1125
01:29:59,660 --> 01:29:59,980
And I think...

1126
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:22,180
The thing that we keep hearing from most of this council is that this growth is inevitable. There's nothing that we can do to stop. We absolutely can. In fact, you absolutely can. But you need to hear the voices of your constituents who are speaking to your constituents are saying that this is not what they want.

1127
01:30:23,140 --> 01:30:26,200
The problem is, of course, that money talks, too.

1128
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:28,700
There's a lot of money involved here as well.

1129
01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:31,820
And I would be remiss, if I did not note,

1130
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,440
that Mayor Bird has taken quite a few thousand dollars

1131
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:40,980
from the developers that are proposing multiple of these developments.

1132
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,580
It's right here on Form 460.

1133
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:46,600
You can follow the money through the Dixon police officers

1134
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:47,920
political action committee.

1135
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,080
There's thousands of dollars flowing from these developers

1136
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:58,220
right to mayor birds campaign funds. So, I would ask the rest of the council members to

1137
01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:04,480
please listen to your constituents, not to the voices of money. I'd also like to ask mayor

1138
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:09,840
bird whether or not he will be refusing himself from any votes involving these developments,

1139
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,060
given that he's taking their money. Thank you.

1140
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:15,500
Next, please.

1141
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:23,160
Contrater.

1142
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:25,320
I've been here for a number of these.

1143
01:31:27,700 --> 01:31:32,620
What I have is a series of just thoughts, as I was listening to everybody talk tonight.

1144
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:38,920
So, they're kind of disjointed, and you will get them in any mail, as will the planning commission, and will.

1145
01:31:40,540 --> 01:31:43,020
First one, we talked about vision of harvest.

1146
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,160
Okay, so harvest has this vision statement that we're putting together.

1147
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,260
Is there a vision statement for the city of Dixon?

1148
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,260
If there is, as anyone take it a look to see,

1149
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,460
how the vision statement of the developer

1150
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:02,380
contrasts with the vision statement of what the city of Dixon

1151
01:32:02,380 --> 01:32:03,580
has said that it wants.

1152
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:09,140
Number two, the developer is talking about housing.

1153
01:32:09,820 --> 01:32:14,620
He also has, as the business, an amazing experience

1154
01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:17,020
and developing industry and business.

1155
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:20,540
He's talking about a whole lot of people moving in,

1156
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,440
but where are these people going to work?

1157
01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:24,760
So they can pay for these houses.

1158
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:29,540
I would like to see the developer similar to the campus projects say,

1159
01:32:29,540 --> 01:32:32,960
let me include part of this development

1160
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:37,860
or an additional part of the land for business and development

1161
01:32:37,860 --> 01:32:41,900
to provide the income by the houses.

1162
01:32:42,980 --> 01:32:50,060
Talking about the housing costs, I've yet to see how much are these housing units going to

1163
01:32:50,060 --> 01:32:50,480
cost.

1164
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:53,860
It would be nice to see in current dollars.

1165
01:32:54,620 --> 01:32:57,740
This is, if we were built now, this is what we would sell it for.

1166
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,820
And then you can see what kind of people have the income to buy that.

1167
01:33:03,980 --> 01:33:08,760
You start talking about changing some of the culture of the city.

1168
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:16,040
Well, if you suddenly find out that you're having upper middle class or the only people that can afford this housing,

1169
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:21,620
that's going to change the culture of the city and what we feel look like and feel like.

1170
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,440
Number four, that idea of how do we market the land?

1171
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:37,200
Somehow, somewhere, the developer, the council, find a way to say to the farmers, if you're

1172
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:43,060
selling your land, how can we help you sell your land so it can continue to be used for agricultural

1173
01:33:43,060 --> 01:33:43,660
purposes?

1174
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:45,860
Do we give you tax breaks?

1175
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:50,240
Do we give you financial incentives to buy the land cheaper?

1176
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:51,200
Something.

1177
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:58,120
Number five, even the agricultural thing, I'd love to see the developer include

1178
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:06,400
plots of land within that development that can be used for a communal purpose for the whole

1179
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:12,020
owners to plant their own vegetables and gardens. We could have a number of those around.

1180
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:18,140
And last that I've asked for a number of times I would like to see a site where the public

1181
01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:24,560
can submit questions to the council, to the Planning Commission, and to the developer saying,

1182
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:32,560
What about this or what about that and have the those units respond to those questions and have it be public. Thank you

1183
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,660
Who knows you already spoke sir?

1184
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:38,920
No, next speaker

1185
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:42,140
Okay,

1186
01:34:55,140 --> 01:34:56,720
okay, folks

1187
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:07,640
You talk about this for an hour with all these points these species points that you've made number one first thing that's wrong is for setting the process is all wrong

1188
01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:13,180
Mr. Petersen is pushing this project, we're not evaluating pros and cons.

1189
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:18,100
This is the same stuff that you did with the campus mixed use project.

1190
01:35:19,220 --> 01:35:22,160
You might as well just say, we're going to approve this right now.

1191
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:27,380
As far as SB 330 and you guys saying that, oh, the state's going to tell you that you

1192
01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:28,160
have to build.

1193
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:29,720
Never hear a California forever.

1194
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,080
I don't think that went in, did it.

1195
01:35:33,660 --> 01:35:36,780
So I guess the state's not going to tell you that you have to build a new city.

1196
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:43,660
this nonsense, you don't have to annex this land. You don't have to do anything. This

1197
01:35:43,660 --> 01:35:48,440
guy is proposing it, or the company is proposing this. That's all fine and

1198
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:52,620
damn, I have no problem with it. I've gone back to my libertarian principles. He

1199
01:35:52,620 --> 01:35:56,400
owns the land. He should be able to decide what he wants to do with it. It's your

1200
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:01,180
choice whether you want to let him into the city. You talk about things. Oh, the

1201
01:36:01,180 --> 01:36:05,500
fire station. How long has the, as the public been talking about, having a

1202
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:13,860
On the other side of the railroad tracks, we're building two, but we have one, and we're building a second one, and they're both on the same side of the tracks.

1203
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,780
Don't you think that these people lose homes?

1204
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,620
Would be saying, hey, we need to put a fire station over there.

1205
01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:21,740
Or maybe you're going to put it on the tin property.

1206
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,460
Or some of these other properties that you have out there.

1207
01:36:25,300 --> 01:36:28,080
This is strictly agenda 21 stuff.

1208
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:34,660
You have more than double the density of what you have in the southwest.

1209
01:36:34,660 --> 01:36:40,720
in a homestead. It's ridiculous. There is no small town feel it's going to be the people

1210
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:45,480
have already told me. It's gone. And you're not going to be able to preserve it, not with

1211
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,460
the campus and make sure you think, where are the people going to work as Mr. Schrader

1212
01:36:48,460 --> 01:36:53,920
said? Oh, maybe in the northeast quadrant where you put all the homes. No, this isn't

1213
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,360
planet. This is nonsense.

1214
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,880
You know, you talk about Gotham Greens, Mr. Bird. You ever

1215
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:09,020
a free range, rocky the range chicken, whatever. People don't want stuff. It's put in little

1216
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:16,920
things. We're doing hogs now in contained facilities. You're comparing apples to oranges.

1217
01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:22,560
You need to look at this a lot closer than you are. I'm going to save most of this for some later

1218
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:28,240
date. I don't think I need to speak to it tonight. You guys are making a mistake. You're going

1219
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:35,480
down this path all wrong. We should be hearing pros and cons. Not deciding what we want.

1220
01:37:36,140 --> 01:37:37,240
Thank you.

1221
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,180
Anyone else?

1222
01:37:39,420 --> 01:37:40,200
Who else? That's booking.

1223
01:37:42,230 --> 01:37:42,930
Go in once.

1224
01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:45,770
Anyone online, man?

1225
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:49,870
To provide public comment via video conferencing. Click on

1226
01:37:49,870 --> 01:37:52,890
Raise Hand via telecomference press star nine.

1227
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,080
And there's no further public comment, Mayor.

1228
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:01,100
All right, Council.

1229
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:08,460
Well, this presentation was an update and outreach on the project, so any questions or comments

1230
01:38:08,460 --> 01:38:09,500
beyond that?

1231
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:13,040
Again, there's no action to take on it, it was this presentation.

1232
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:24,980
It's been floated out there that there was a major B, which was a control of the growth of the B, which was to control.

1233
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:30,220
The major B was voted by Catland's mom and these Catland's still here.

1234
01:38:31,380 --> 01:38:35,840
Yeah, and it was 3% for your growth.

1235
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:51,200
So, you know, that I was, I came here in 77, so I remember all this and we looked it up and I actually asked Rob White back there to graph it out and he did and he could be look at that graph, is there any way we could see it?

1236
01:38:51,640 --> 01:39:00,900
I mean, he took the graph, took the major B, grew a line of what the growth was and placed the developments below it, and they're below the graph.

1237
01:39:01,300 --> 01:39:05,060
So, I think we've got some math there going on here that I'd like to clarify.

1238
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,280
So, Councilmember, just to be clear, we'd be happy to put the graph on the website,

1239
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,340
but based on the calculations of measure B, even if it was going to be an

1240
01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:20,940
to honor it and be under that number, this development project that full build out

1241
01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:25,540
as currently contemplated would fall within the measure B parameters that would be allowed.

1242
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,380
So, even if measure B was an effect today,

1243
01:39:27,380 --> 01:39:32,220
it was still this project, it's still falling and taking into consideration homestead which is

1244
01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:42,060
almost built out the campus approval and the harvest project. I mean it's to be to be really

1245
01:39:42,060 --> 01:39:47,240
clear the blue project which has kind of been alluded to. We just received that development

1246
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:54,720
application today. I think that's what I think it was today. And we've had no meetings with them

1247
01:39:54,720 --> 01:40:02,220
the specifics of the proposal itself. So that one's going to be quite a far behind in the

1248
01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:06,960
view because that process would just be starting. So anyway, just to be clear that that's not

1249
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:11,080
part of the calculation but even then you take that and we'll go ahead and post that to the

1250
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:15,880
city's website showing that members of people look at it. So I think it's important because there

1251
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:20,760
really is a misunderstanding here. At least we could get that set point and do the math and look at it

1252
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:24,340
because I do think that the 3% growth has been respected.

1253
01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:27,040
There's a lot of talk.

1254
01:40:27,620 --> 01:40:29,160
And let's get that clear one way or another.

1255
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:31,200
Can I add one more piece of component?

1256
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,760
I think this is important when we go through along the legal framework in which we're working.

1257
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:40,260
You know, measure B we had to rescind because we had no choice with the HCDs,

1258
01:40:40,620 --> 01:40:41,920
requirements and things of that nature.

1259
01:40:43,420 --> 01:40:44,820
So, well, well, well, B.

1260
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,460
Why we are staying consistent with well, but be allowed under measure B.

1261
01:40:48,460 --> 01:40:50,660
even if it was still in effect, we're not allowed to do it.

1262
01:40:50,660 --> 01:40:52,280
It's the same thing with housing work volumes.

1263
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:54,760
Under the way that the current housing law

1264
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,380
set, basically, we're just not legally positioned

1265
01:40:57,380 --> 01:40:59,840
to be able to have a housing work

1266
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,780
or we do those kinds of.

1267
01:41:01,900 --> 01:41:08,460
And so the challenge is that this housing continues to develop

1268
01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:11,900
that if you don't bring in any kind of new land, particularly

1269
01:41:11,900 --> 01:41:14,140
for people who want the amenities like a nugget market,

1270
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,500
that requires 30,000 or if they wanted in and out things

1271
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:21,680
that nature which just comes back very high on the bulls, you know, when we do the surveys

1272
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:27,540
of what folks want in terms of amenities, you've got to hit 30,000 in most of these jobs

1273
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:32,020
won't hit come in until you hit 30,000 target, things of that nature.

1274
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:38,800
The challenge is that you wind up having to build vertical, you know, build up, you know,

1275
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,120
and then we have under SB 330 and a lot of the new laws that are in effect.

1276
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:49,120
At that point in time, we don't have the ability to even regulate or make much in the way of comments on the maps.

1277
01:41:49,580 --> 01:41:56,440
So it's not that we won't have growth, but what we'll likely see if we don't allow some level of green belt annexation,

1278
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,300
as you will see, for example, growth instead of horizontal.

1279
01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:05,880
I also think for the most part, someone mentioned that he being the spirit of that,

1280
01:42:05,940 --> 01:42:09,640
and I think that we are doing that, and most of us are on board with that.

1281
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:16,320
And to the group, I mean, at least on staff's behalf, we'd be happy to meet you and kind of go over any of the concerns that you have.

1282
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:22,120
I mean, we certainly want to be respectful and so we happy to sit down with the answer to your questions.

1283
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:29,860
So, I mean, we don't really, I mean, the reason that there's been so many public outreach efforts on this,

1284
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:39,240
if I think folks do want to be transparent, I mean, this is a big project, but there's also big infrastructure requirements that come along with this all the storm issues that we have to solve.

1285
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,360
and we have that on certain sites of project

1286
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,560
we're going to be able to accommodate those things.

1287
01:42:43,900 --> 01:42:45,860
And so we'd be happy to sit down with you

1288
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:48,580
where others go through some of the specifics

1289
01:42:48,580 --> 01:42:49,840
of why we're doing it, Missouri.

1290
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:52,380
The number is not arbitrary.

1291
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:55,960
The number is built to achieve newdy goals,

1292
01:42:56,180 --> 01:42:57,780
like we were talking about, in terms of the amenities

1293
01:42:57,780 --> 01:42:59,920
of the newdy really wants some sites

1294
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,200
that you have to get to in order to be able to have those things.

1295
01:43:02,380 --> 01:43:04,740
If people want, in an addition to that,

1296
01:43:04,740 --> 01:43:06,680
be able to go forward some of the instructors

1297
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:11,540
stuff that permeates the city that we have to have to do.

1298
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,180
So, again, be happy to extend that invitation.

1299
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:16,320
It's definitely meeting Rafi.

1300
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,840
It would probably as a key development director would be your primary context,

1301
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:21,920
but you know, the whole team would be happy to do that.

1302
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:24,900
I think that's important.

1303
01:43:26,620 --> 01:43:30,540
We're talking about, we have a general plan that we have to do every 20 years.

1304
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,760
And so we have a transportation element, a housing element, et cetera.

1305
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:41,000
And in that, the housing element is overlooked by the state, and the state tells us that we have to have so many

1306
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:47,880
affordable homes in this manium, and we keep track of them, but we get focused on that.

1307
01:43:48,060 --> 01:44:00,640
We forget that we have a state legislature, we don't get me too political, but they're stamping out laws by the day, saying that we have that they're all encouraging

1308
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:05,180
more housing and we're trying to deal with all this. And the fact is that if you look at all

1309
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:09,680
the mandates that are coming down from the state, most of them were just putting pressure

1310
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:14,500
on the cities with no money for us to do it, that we're trying to do it the best we can't

1311
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:20,120
look at the community benefit and where we're going. And I honestly do believe I think some people

1312
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:26,260
have criticized some of those for this, that there is going to be growth, and I honestly believe

1313
01:44:26,260 --> 01:44:37,440
that we've looked at it enough to see that there is, and we've got, we've seen developers come in here and flop, do a really bad job.

1314
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,200
We've seen other ones come in and do a good job.

1315
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:49,180
I jumped on the southwest plane and I went down to the development of these people and looked, and I paid for it myself by the way.

1316
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:59,980
And, and I saw that they are doing a better job than a lot of them out here that they have more amenities that are doing a better job that they finish the job and, you know, I've been living here soon.

1317
01:45:00,580 --> 01:45:12,500
777, like, they're about the community. No, I'm not trying to run for governor or something. I'm trying to give back to the community and I think that they need to look at both sides of this.

1318
01:45:15,070 --> 01:45:22,510
I'm an out of a couple things. First of all, thank you. Everybody who came in and spoke tonight. I really do genuinely appreciate it. I've written down.

1319
01:45:25,970 --> 01:45:31,330
It's important to understand this is part of the process when you've got an applicant that comes in and has a project that they want to do.

1320
01:45:31,450 --> 01:45:35,510
We have an obligation and professional obligation to review what they want to do.

1321
01:45:37,730 --> 01:45:47,110
This particular developer has gone through a lot of time and effort to obtain information from all of us and all of it is important.

1322
01:45:48,930 --> 01:45:51,370
I just want you to understand how that process is going.

1323
01:45:51,370 --> 01:46:00,800
Okay, so continuing to speak and continue to provide your comments are what, when I think

1324
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,160
back to the very first meeting that I went to at Harvest and where there are at now,

1325
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:12,060
there's a whole long list of things that have permeated into what their plans and what

1326
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:17,740
their thought bosses are, but it is not approved, okay, it is not.

1327
01:46:17,740 --> 01:46:32,680
There is a tremendous amount of investment that they're going through to go through environmental review and multiple levels of review for not.

1328
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:37,940
So that we can ultimately see what it's going to look like, but also for them as well.

1329
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:41,100
And so the continued input is important.

1330
01:46:41,100 --> 01:47:10,800
But on the, on the part that I'm struggling with when we, when I hear stop, no growth or it needs to be planned, and this is not that I, I, I, I take a very serious point about staying even and listening to everybody until the day that there's actual vote, but I, but the one thing that kicks coming up for me, and I did, I did receive two or three emails, I, from people today, and I think they're off coming from the same line.

1331
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:16,000
I read them, they were similar, so I think they may have been repeats, but they were good thought processes.

1332
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:22,860
This is a process that if this builder is successful, it's a three to five-year process,

1333
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:27,140
and then followed by a 20 to 25-year process.

1334
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:28,720
Rebuild that.

1335
01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:32,980
Supplying demand is really important, somebody brought this up.

1336
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:41,760
If we close our borders, that is not going to positively impact the value and the hope that there may be more

1337
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:47,920
for the housing, if you stop, and that's all you're going to do, that is, that is ultimately

1338
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:52,960
going to cause us to be more expensive for housing, it'll be more of a difficult process.

1339
01:47:54,500 --> 01:48:01,840
But at the end of the day, putting together a planned, strategic thought-out process, whether

1340
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:07,220
it is this builder or another, whether it is another developer or not, doing something

1341
01:48:07,220 --> 01:48:18,400
that is thinking about what is ultimately a 25 to 30-year plan to me, that sounds like planning, that sounds like a way to go about it.

1342
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:28,160
At the end of the day though, no matter what it's built, the market is going to determine the need and what is going to be built.

1343
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,540
No builder, this builder or anybody else, they can have all the plans they want in the world.

1344
01:48:32,540 --> 01:48:37,540
But if the market doesn't need it, doesn't want it, it's not going to buy it.

1345
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,240
They're not going to build it.

1346
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:43,940
So it's the planning part of it that is being under consideration now.

1347
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:46,420
Not decision yet, but being considered.

1348
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:53,880
But at the end of the day, this is something that's a 25, a 25 year discussion.

1349
01:48:55,780 --> 01:49:00,100
And even if completely approved, nothing is going to get built

1350
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:02,780
that people won't buy, but they don't need.

1351
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:06,920
That is always a litmus test.

1352
01:49:07,140 --> 01:49:08,780
That's always something that's going to protect.

1353
01:49:12,020 --> 01:49:15,540
It's always going to protect the ultimate growth that we have.

1354
01:49:15,740 --> 01:49:16,680
Nothing's going to get built.

1355
01:49:17,060 --> 01:49:19,800
If you are not the buy and don't want to move here and don't want to live.

1356
01:49:20,860 --> 01:49:23,700
So, I am anxious to continue to have the input.

1357
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:25,300
It carves out.

1358
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:32,320
It, this, I would absolutely say that there's ears that are listening to what we're saying.

1359
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:37,120
They're in the back of the room, and they're listening, they're taking notes, I'm sure they're going to probably watch this over and over again.

1360
01:49:37,780 --> 01:49:47,120
But what they're also trying to do, because they're hoping that their project is successful, is they're trying to ultimately carve and create something that is good for our community.

1361
01:49:47,380 --> 01:49:48,160
That's their goal.

1362
01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:51,220
Whether they're successful or not, I don't know. We got a long ways to go.

1363
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,420
Which is true. We got a year and a half, probably, to go.

1364
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,440
So there'll be a lot of opportunities for people to speak.

1365
01:49:57,300 --> 01:49:58,500
And I look forward to it.

1366
01:49:58,700 --> 01:50:00,460
It's an important process that we're going.

1367
01:50:02,090 --> 01:50:13,550
I just briefly, I take a lot of notes, I listen to everybody, and everything, and I will probably watch this meeting again because some people might have spoke a little bit faster than I could write.

1368
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:25,730
But I do take this seriously and do an educated and I try to investigate issues as best I can and so thank you to everybody that came tonight.

1369
01:50:25,730 --> 01:50:31,450
I will tell you there's others that don't like public speaking, that is either called me or talk to me,

1370
01:50:31,610 --> 01:50:35,710
some on both sides, you know, and we got to listen to everybody, or we should,

1371
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:41,030
and the other side too is, I said it earlier.

1372
01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:53,250
The land I live on was not housing two years before I bought, and I'm glad somebody sold it and built it for my family, so that's where I'm at.

1373
01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:58,630
No decisions are being made right now. We take it all in. And that's the part of the process.

1374
01:51:01,370 --> 01:51:07,550
And I appreciate all your input. You made some good points. I also appreciate everyone that spoke here.

1375
01:51:07,790 --> 01:51:14,050
And I do take notes. And I have a bunch of them. In fact, I actually think I signed up for

1376
01:51:14,050 --> 01:51:21,090
Dixon Green either yesterday or today. So I'm watching that as well. And I also want to advise the

1377
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:25,070
that the vice mayor had to leave he wasn't feeling well, so that's why he left.

1378
01:51:25,730 --> 01:51:31,970
But back to the issue at hand, you know, I became attached to this community in 1988

1379
01:51:31,970 --> 01:51:35,910
when I came here and was a staff member and an employee of the city.

1380
01:51:36,370 --> 01:51:41,810
And from that time until now, I served the city as a staff member,

1381
01:51:42,330 --> 01:51:45,590
and I've been on the council for just over 12 years now.

1382
01:51:45,590 --> 01:51:51,350
I've seen developers come and go, I've seen plans come and go, but one thing that I really

1383
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:56,250
have taken notice to in recent times is, you know, someone said there are, there are

1384
01:51:56,250 --> 01:52:00,850
good and there are bad developers and one of the things that I think was mentioned earlier

1385
01:52:00,850 --> 01:52:05,790
is, developer comes in, there's a lot of shareholders involved with the projects, there's

1386
01:52:05,790 --> 01:52:10,170
just anxiousness about getting stuff done and keep moving and getting that return.

1387
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:15,570
Well that happens when you have multiple investors and one developer and so there's

1388
01:52:15,570 --> 01:52:20,250
South West Project, for instance, there was one developer, but there is about four or five

1389
01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:24,850
different home builders involved in that, and a bunch of investors, there was sitting

1390
01:52:24,850 --> 01:52:29,410
around waiting for their return and putting pressure on the builders and developers to get

1391
01:52:29,410 --> 01:52:30,050
stuff done.

1392
01:52:30,210 --> 01:52:34,610
However, it was our staff that kept them in line and it didn't sign off and things until it

1393
01:52:34,610 --> 01:52:34,850
was done.

1394
01:52:35,090 --> 01:52:40,110
In fact, some things that were done wrong had to be completely redent, because we didn't

1395
01:52:40,110 --> 01:52:43,790
sign off until we were to take responsibility for it, we're going to make sure it works.

1396
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:49,390
But, you know, the two most recent developments that we have right now, the one on the

1397
01:52:49,390 --> 01:52:54,950
first and the one coming, the campus project, up in the Northeast Quad, those are all,

1398
01:52:55,610 --> 01:52:57,570
there's not a multitude of investors on it.

1399
01:52:57,630 --> 01:53:03,430
It's a single person putting forth the capital to build something.

1400
01:53:04,130 --> 01:53:07,190
So, you're dealing with one group, not dozens of investors.

1401
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:11,710
So, we're dealing with a one contact person, basically, with each one of those developments.

1402
01:53:11,710 --> 01:53:15,610
So it gives us a lot more, it's less complicated.

1403
01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:18,550
And we can certainly slow down things.

1404
01:53:18,690 --> 01:53:21,010
I think if we need to, where in the other project

1405
01:53:21,010 --> 01:53:23,470
it was a little bit difficult in cumbersome.

1406
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:26,810
So I'm thinking that this is something new.

1407
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:27,870
This is a presentation.

1408
01:53:29,130 --> 01:53:30,950
It's going to continue to be a lot of conversations

1409
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:33,450
about this for the time being.

1410
01:53:33,530 --> 01:53:35,390
I mean, the land hasn't even been annexed yet.

1411
01:53:35,870 --> 01:53:37,950
So that is, it hasn't even occurred at this point.

1412
01:53:38,710 --> 01:53:39,790
So there's a lot to come.

1413
01:53:39,790 --> 01:53:45,850
and what's can I appreciate all your input and my colleagues and we'll continue to have discussion

1414
01:53:45,850 --> 01:53:47,030
at future meetings.

1415
01:53:47,610 --> 01:53:47,730
So.

1416
01:53:47,730 --> 01:53:49,790
Mr. May I hate to do this one more thing please?

1417
01:53:49,790 --> 01:53:50,410
Oh sure.

1418
01:53:50,650 --> 01:53:51,070
I know.

1419
01:53:52,610 --> 01:53:58,370
I think it was Andy was saying that he kind of alluded to the fact that there was some kind of cover

1420
01:53:58,370 --> 01:54:00,090
up going off and when he went down to.

1421
01:54:00,530 --> 01:54:06,790
And I know I honestly believe that we're being transparent here in the city that we have

1422
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:12,870
our public information officer. All this information is online. It's right

1423
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:18,350
right under our web page of Ellen Graf right there. It could help you find anything

1424
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:21,370
that can navigate through it. I think Ralphie's down there for a Biden

1425
01:54:21,370 --> 01:54:25,870
information when I ask all the time. Now I hate to hear somebody come up and say

1426
01:54:25,870 --> 01:54:29,250
if I came down there and somebody had something from me. I honestly don't well, I

1427
01:54:29,250 --> 01:54:33,430
think it's a miscarriage standing. I'd like to get clarified at some point maybe not

1428
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:36,810
at night, but at the end of the year I've known you a long time, and I don't want you to think

1429
01:54:36,810 --> 01:54:44,950
the word cover and sum up, because I want to make sure that at least I'm not, and so...

1430
01:54:46,650 --> 01:54:51,470
Okay, I like to get that clear about me at some point, and I don't know if you want to say it at

1431
01:54:51,470 --> 01:54:54,590
some point, it's pretty, you know, defend yourself, please.

1432
01:54:55,490 --> 01:54:55,690
All right.

1433
01:54:55,930 --> 01:55:00,430
So just to be clear, I mean, Robbie and I'd be happy to sit down with you, the documentation

1434
01:55:00,430 --> 01:55:07,450
is all with a back wheel jigs and green belt authority that you're talking about. We haven't

1435
01:55:07,450 --> 01:55:12,190
had a meeting for a while because it doesn't have a lot but it's on the agenda. It's usually

1436
01:55:12,190 --> 01:55:16,770
only when we're going to do kind of conservation easements and things of that nature or

1437
01:55:16,770 --> 01:55:23,570
exceptions do it. But it's a separate legal government entity that we just have a few members

1438
01:55:23,570 --> 01:55:29,390
from this skeletal serves on and a few members from the back bill and the serves on. But you know

1439
01:55:29,390 --> 01:55:33,910
Rothy and I have staff been along with Blue Bay for the last couple of years.

1440
01:55:34,230 --> 01:55:41,870
We happy to sit down and show you, but it's all in the charter authority to bring those, but the land changes

1441
01:55:41,870 --> 01:55:49,270
because we buy easements and, you know, as those are required in that, that those are, like the farmers have to also be going,

1442
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:53,110
put an easement on their land. So that's why they're a little bit of a hodgepodge.

1443
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:56,730
All right. Let's move on then. All right.

1444
01:55:56,730 --> 01:56:03,370
And I'm 12.3, receive an update on the third quarter of fiscal year, 2425 budget projections

1445
01:56:03,370 --> 01:56:07,190
and financial results and approve a recommended budget adjustments.

1446
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:10,430
Yeah, I'm Mr. Man.

1447
01:56:10,890 --> 01:56:17,010
I was wondering if we could just take a short recess to sign the kids so they can go and take a small amount.

1448
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:17,990
Well, they can...

1449
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:18,590
We got a lot of people.

1450
01:56:18,690 --> 01:56:19,610
They go to staff in the back.

1451
01:56:19,890 --> 01:56:20,190
Okay.

1452
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:21,590
I want to keep all in.

1453
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:25,210
They can go to staff in the back if they need to get signed.

1454
01:56:25,210 --> 01:56:27,210
staff will sign up where you've got to go.

1455
01:56:28,810 --> 01:56:30,530
We're taking this from here.

1456
01:56:39,740 --> 01:56:40,320
Can you do a break?

1457
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:42,060
No, no, no, no.

1458
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:42,500
We're in a break.

1459
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:43,820
Can you do a break?

1460
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:44,820
I can do a break.

1461
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:45,520
Me?

1462
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:46,560
Give me this.

1463
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:47,380
Let's keep going.

1464
01:56:49,220 --> 01:56:50,200
So we're at.

1465
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:56,920
Let's keep rolling.

1466
01:56:58,300 --> 01:56:59,200
Okay, let's keep rolling.

1467
01:56:59,200 --> 01:56:59,220
Let's keep rolling.

1468
01:56:59,220 --> 01:56:59,860
Let's keep rolling here.

1469
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:00,460
Thank you.

1470
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:00,640
Yeah.

1471
01:57:01,660 --> 01:57:03,020
No, thank you for coming down.

1472
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:04,820
And our numbers are always available.

1473
01:57:06,460 --> 01:57:06,680
Okay.

1474
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:13,600
the meeting is not over. Let's keep going here please. Could you please step outside to have your

1475
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,080
staff sign please?

1476
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:22,500
Please continue. Good evening council. Good evening, bringing to you the third

1477
01:57:22,500 --> 01:57:30,420
quarter budget update for fiscal year 2425. Some of the time frame and limitations, so this report contains

1478
01:57:30,420 --> 01:57:38,700
preliminary financial results as of March 31st 2005. At the time of the writing of this report,

1479
01:57:38,700 --> 01:57:40,720
The quarter-ing closed is complete.

1480
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:46,180
There are still adjustments that could occur in future quarters or during the audit that would

1481
01:57:46,180 --> 01:57:47,380
affect these results.

1482
01:57:48,580 --> 01:57:48,860
And I do.

1483
01:57:49,060 --> 01:57:49,920
Excuse me, Kate.

1484
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,640
We're going to need some quiet in the back.

1485
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:53,980
We need to proceed with this meeting.

1486
01:57:59,930 --> 01:58:00,950
Thank you.

1487
01:58:02,750 --> 01:58:08,510
I do want to emphasize that all of the projections and this we are in negotiations with four

1488
01:58:08,510 --> 01:58:16,790
groups right now and no projections for those negotiations are included in the five-year financial

1489
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:23,870
projections. So looking at the five-year financial projection, you can see that for the current

1490
01:58:23,870 --> 01:58:31,610
fiscal year, we're projecting a deficit of $1.5 million and an ending reserve balance of

1491
01:58:31,610 --> 01:58:40,230
7.2%. This does include the fourth quarter for the new sales tax. So there's one quarter

1492
01:58:40,230 --> 01:58:42,030
of that included in that.

1493
01:58:45,860 --> 01:58:49,920
For the new sales tax, you did ask that we share with you how

1494
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:57,060
we're proposing to spend it. So we are projecting that we will receive 663,000 dollars during

1495
01:58:57,060 --> 01:59:03,080
the fourth quarter. For that, we are proposing that that will fund three of the time chiefs,

1496
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:08,660
fire chiefs, one firefighter paramedic, one police sergeant, and five police officers.

1497
01:59:09,300 --> 01:59:13,580
I want to make sure to emphasize these are not new positions. These are positions that

1498
01:59:13,580 --> 01:59:17,860
already existed, and it's in support of ongoing services.

1499
01:59:22,590 --> 01:59:24,310
Additionally, we have a public

1500
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:31,890
benefit fund transfer, this transfer began in fiscal year 21. We added six new positions

1501
01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:39,330
in fiscal year 2020, three fire captains and three police officers. In 2021, we requested from

1502
01:59:39,330 --> 01:59:45,950
the Council to begin making this transfer and that has been ongoing ever since. Additionally,

1503
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:54,050
in the past several years, the city has been taking on more of the community events and funding

1504
01:59:54,050 --> 01:59:59,950
and so included in the current air budget is 90,000 that is transferred to the...

1505
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,420
Special event funds to cover the charges for those. The total expected revenue this year, from the public benefit fee, is about 1.1 million.

1506
02:00:15,660 --> 02:00:31,920
For the wastewater fund, we did request a reduction in the revenue projections for this year. Each year, in February, we had just the wastewater rates based upon the winter water average use.

1507
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:38,880
And this year that resulted in a decline in wastewater revenues, so we did project that.

1508
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:48,060
Even with that reduction, we do expect that operating revenues will cover the cost of operating expenditures.

1509
02:00:48,700 --> 02:00:52,600
We are proposing a deficit of $3.1 million this year.

1510
02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:57,160
That is due to capital projects, so those are being funded out of the reserves.

1511
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:07,740
For the water fund, revenues are coming in as projected in the budget, so we have not requested any budget updates.

1512
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:15,640
Again, water revenues are coming in at a level that will cover the cost of water operations.

1513
02:01:16,540 --> 02:01:23,500
There is a deficit proposed for the current year of just over 2 million, and that is for capital projects as well.

1514
02:01:26,350 --> 02:01:33,250
So, in summary, we do have some minor budget adjustments included with this report.

1515
02:01:33,850 --> 02:01:42,270
We had some salary savings that we'd like to recognize and then just some minor operating changes that needed to be made nothing substantial.

1516
02:01:43,470 --> 02:01:48,610
We will continue to monitor the revenues and expenses throughout the remainder of the year,

1517
02:01:49,490 --> 02:01:54,810
and then we will have preliminary fiscal year 2425 results for you in September of 25.

1518
02:01:54,810 --> 02:02:02,810
We do a cruise through August and so that's when we have a good field work where the expenditures are going to end up.

1519
02:02:03,870 --> 02:02:06,130
Some items I wanted to bring up for discussion.

1520
02:02:06,370 --> 02:02:11,290
I know the Vice Mayor had to leave, but he had wanted to discuss the public benefit fee,

1521
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:14,830
and whether we would continue to do the transfer that is in the budget.

1522
02:02:15,610 --> 02:02:22,090
That is in the current year budget and it is also in the proposed budget that came out to you last week.

1523
02:02:22,750 --> 02:02:30,070
And then, if you had any questions on the budget amendments that we've included this evening or the financial forecast that I've shared.

1524
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,160
Thank you, Kate. Thank you all my questions.

1525
02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:39,910
Any other questions?

1526
02:02:41,070 --> 02:02:41,430
All right.

1527
02:02:41,690 --> 02:02:45,630
To open a public comment and I want to comment on 12.3.

1528
02:02:46,170 --> 02:02:48,530
See, no one in the audience, anyone at home, Madam Clerk?

1529
02:02:49,110 --> 02:02:52,690
To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.

1530
02:02:52,890 --> 02:02:54,970
Be a teleconference press star nine

1531
02:02:56,990 --> 02:02:58,970
and there's no public comment there.

1532
02:02:58,970 --> 02:03:02,870
Okay, so we need a motion to approve the recommended budget adjustments.

1533
02:03:03,130 --> 02:03:04,330
Motion to approve?

1534
02:03:05,050 --> 02:03:05,510
First and second.

1535
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:06,710
Roll call please.

1536
02:03:08,470 --> 02:03:09,450
Councilmember Ernest.

1537
02:03:10,130 --> 02:03:10,850
Councilmember Henderson.

1538
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:12,690
Councilmember Johnson.

1539
02:03:13,550 --> 02:03:14,510
Mayor Boge.

1540
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:15,150
Excuse me.

1541
02:03:15,370 --> 02:03:15,970
Mayor Bird.

1542
02:03:17,630 --> 02:03:18,210
Oh, man.

1543
02:03:18,630 --> 02:03:19,050
All right.

1544
02:03:19,070 --> 02:03:20,130
That's not her fault.

1545
02:03:20,410 --> 02:03:21,310
Thank you.

1546
02:03:22,690 --> 02:03:23,850
Boge comes after me.

1547
02:03:24,690 --> 02:03:24,970
All right.

1548
02:03:25,490 --> 02:03:26,370
12.4.

1549
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:28,910
Matters pertaining to the party market shade structure.

1550
02:03:28,910 --> 02:03:34,850
Provide staff direction, non-preposed, party-shade, structure project design options by

1551
02:03:34,850 --> 02:03:39,970
minute action and adopt a resolution of proving the party-plaz-shade structure project

1552
02:03:39,970 --> 02:03:43,810
budget amendment to the amount not to exceed 50,000.

1553
02:03:44,110 --> 02:03:44,510
All right.

1554
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:47,490
Good evening Mayor, Council, and General Public.

1555
02:03:47,690 --> 02:03:53,170
It looks like I have a new tool I appear today, Lou Bae, I'm going to test it, okay,

1556
02:03:53,450 --> 02:03:53,970
it works.

1557
02:03:55,110 --> 02:03:58,770
I'm happy to be here to continue this discussion and hopefully get some

1558
02:03:58,770 --> 02:04:06,530
from Council on where we want to move. This is not a new item. Background party

1559
02:04:06,530 --> 02:04:11,710
Plaza was completed in 22. There were events held there in 23 and this is

1560
02:04:11,710 --> 02:04:17,070
when we heard that the sun was an issue hitting the eyes of the performers. On

1561
02:04:17,070 --> 02:04:21,190
the left side you see several structures that we've discussed previously.

1562
02:04:21,690 --> 02:04:26,750
Always happy to review those. Here's some background of the times this has been

1563
02:04:26,750 --> 02:04:32,870
Council, it started in 23, seeking direction, and most recently it was heard in March,

1564
02:04:33,070 --> 02:04:38,870
where we summarized it, and at that time direction was given to explore additional options,

1565
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:45,790
hopefully more economical and smaller options, and to go look at some local events sites.

1566
02:04:46,430 --> 02:04:53,850
So, staff did this, we went to Park Winters, which was suggested, and we did glean some items

1567
02:04:53,850 --> 02:04:59,670
from this. I'd like to compare that side to our site. What you'll notice here is that they

1568
02:04:59,670 --> 02:05:06,130
do have an open eaves similar to ours, however it is wood, and they have drilled into the wood

1569
02:05:06,130 --> 02:05:14,910
with eyeballs as attachment points. And they've also drilled into the wood with a clamp sort of material

1570
02:05:14,910 --> 02:05:22,790
to provide attachment points. We've committed at party Plaza not to alter the metal structure that is

1571
02:05:22,790 --> 02:05:28,770
there, we're proposing putting a clamp all the way around the metal rather than going through

1572
02:05:28,770 --> 02:05:33,350
the metal or marring any of the original architecture.

1573
02:05:35,070 --> 02:05:46,530
From the point of the exposed area, it went out approximately 20 feet, and most of the attachment

1574
02:05:46,530 --> 02:05:53,730
points existed in a con-created infants that you see as metal there and additionally it

1575
02:05:53,730 --> 02:06:00,830
had freestanding poles that were bolted into con-crete. This also is different from our

1576
02:06:00,830 --> 02:06:07,590
party plaza site because we don't have con-crete. We can bolt into one of the unique elements

1577
02:06:07,590 --> 02:06:13,610
of the site is that we're really limited to staying in the turf and anytime we go into

1578
02:06:13,610 --> 02:06:19,050
the turf we do have to reinforce what we're doing with concrete, everywhere else, there

1579
02:06:19,050 --> 02:06:25,250
are papers, and there's not underground structure to withstand putting something underground.

1580
02:06:26,410 --> 02:06:31,970
But here on the bottom right, you can see more attachment points of cables to the top

1581
02:06:31,970 --> 02:06:35,070
of a post, which is something that we wish to emulate.

1582
02:06:36,670 --> 02:06:40,710
So on to our site, like I said, we do have an exposed cable.

1583
02:06:40,710 --> 02:06:51,350
Originally, we were not open to utilizing this cable as an attachment point because the structures we were talking about previously had lengths of 90 feet.

1584
02:06:51,970 --> 02:07:02,370
So that means as the cable would go 90 feet, that's a lot of tension, and we did not want to use the existing stage structure as a point of contact.

1585
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:11,510
If we are now talking about 20 to 30 feet, then we can discuss using the existing cable as an attachment point.

1586
02:07:12,070 --> 02:07:17,510
The attachment points would be thus. Those green circles on the bottom are existing eyeballs.

1587
02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:24,530
The unfortunately are too low for our purpose. They're usually meant for decoration or something else.

1588
02:07:24,530 --> 02:07:30,110
So we've looked at those top areas, those yellow circles and several years ago I brought

1589
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:35,750
to a project to prevent pigeons because pigeons were nesting in there and so we used to

1590
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:41,950
have nice little areas where we could have gone over the beans but now we have custom metal work

1591
02:07:41,950 --> 02:07:49,310
in there blocking that but we still are proposing to use clamps or go all the way around the beams

1592
02:07:49,310 --> 02:07:53,290
so that we are not causing any kind of structural damage.

1593
02:07:54,110 --> 02:07:58,470
From those points that you see, we go out into the lawn,

1594
02:07:58,730 --> 02:08:00,290
into the rectangle turf.

1595
02:08:01,390 --> 02:08:05,090
What we imagine what we would like to discuss with you

1596
02:08:05,090 --> 02:08:10,530
is having an adjustable system put out in the turf.

1597
02:08:10,990 --> 02:08:13,490
We would have receivers, sleeves.

1598
02:08:13,730 --> 02:08:15,550
This is not the actual product.

1599
02:08:15,930 --> 02:08:17,850
We would be manufacturing it in-house.

1600
02:08:17,850 --> 02:08:20,190
It's just there for you to imagine it.

1601
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:22,370
So the sleeve would go in the turf.

1602
02:08:22,690 --> 02:08:24,930
That means that the poles would go inside the sleeve.

1603
02:08:25,230 --> 02:08:26,150
You remove the poles.

1604
02:08:26,530 --> 02:08:29,150
Then it shouldn't impact the sight the rest of the year.

1605
02:08:29,310 --> 02:08:33,010
We could even put little astro turf little patches on top of it

1606
02:08:33,010 --> 02:08:34,870
so that visually it wouldn't distract

1607
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:37,810
because there would be concrete columns around these receivers.

1608
02:08:38,630 --> 02:08:41,170
Right now we're imagining four to five.

1609
02:08:41,450 --> 02:08:43,070
We'll probably screw up.

1610
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:45,190
We might need to do more later,

1611
02:08:45,190 --> 02:08:52,250
but that's just about a three-foot piece of pipe, and like I said, we will learn from this,

1612
02:08:52,410 --> 02:09:00,970
and so we can move them as the season goes by because the sun is at a changing angle. Here,

1613
02:09:01,050 --> 02:09:06,210
you'll see the different various attachment points going to the poles using the same type of

1614
02:09:06,210 --> 02:09:13,270
material that we saw at Park Winchers, and the fabric itself would have these grommets in it

1615
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:18,490
that the cable could go through because that's what we're really losing when you don't have

1616
02:09:18,490 --> 02:09:24,030
the very large columns that are underground that are able to provide tension, you're going

1617
02:09:24,030 --> 02:09:31,030
to have more slack. So being able to weave through those or go underneath would lift that

1618
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:38,470
sink that you're going to see. Here's the sun which is what we're trying to eliminate and it's

1619
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:59,890
this is just another way of looking at it. There is your turf rectangle. The blue arrows are just saying that we will go as wide as we need and go as far back as we need and potentially those two middle columns would go back further.

1620
02:10:00,530 --> 02:10:08,270
staff doesn't tend to do a PVC mock-up before we actually cement in the sleeves in the

1621
02:10:08,270 --> 02:10:08,730
turf.

1622
02:10:09,330 --> 02:10:09,770
Yes?

1623
02:10:10,170 --> 02:10:10,630
Two.

1624
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:12,510
Two.

1625
02:10:12,510 --> 02:10:14,990
Those two in the center might go for their back.

1626
02:10:15,170 --> 02:10:20,430
You see that one little arrow in the middle because of the angle of the sun if I go forward.

1627
02:10:20,990 --> 02:10:22,990
Remember, the angle of the sun is going that way.

1628
02:10:23,190 --> 02:10:26,690
So that would mean that two in the middle would be for their back compared to the correct

1629
02:10:26,690 --> 02:10:27,390
correct.

1630
02:10:27,450 --> 02:10:28,750
In order to keep it symmetrical.

1631
02:10:29,610 --> 02:10:33,890
because really that one all the way on the top on the right is is just for symmetry.

1632
02:10:34,250 --> 02:10:38,910
We've learned that it doesn't really provide shade but if we need to bring those two in the

1633
02:10:38,910 --> 02:10:42,250
middle out further we could do that.

1634
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:50,050
And this is the only slide here is to provide evidence that we did not spend a penny on design.

1635
02:10:50,050 --> 02:10:53,630
It's a very crude, crude work up right here,

1636
02:10:53,670 --> 02:10:58,830
some triangle sales that would go from point to point greens

1637
02:10:58,830 --> 02:11:02,770
in some kind of variety, but they would be adjustable.

1638
02:11:04,830 --> 02:11:07,030
And these are the shade studies again,

1639
02:11:07,310 --> 02:11:10,830
just to watch the progression of the sun, which is our problem.

1640
02:11:11,130 --> 02:11:15,170
This is in May when you'll see,

1641
02:11:15,310 --> 02:11:19,270
again, the structure that's there is the last one that was proposed,

1642
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:24,230
but it's the only one we have, and then in July,

1643
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,300
it's to move a little bit further up.

1644
02:11:32,900 --> 02:11:38,760
I know you're going to play around with the figure out, but do you have an idea of how tall you think you're supposed to be?

1645
02:11:39,300 --> 02:11:48,960
We do, but our proposal right now, and I'll just finish this, and I'll get to the material list.

1646
02:11:48,960 --> 02:12:05,320
Our proposal would actually be to have holes with numerous attachment points, and so this way once we put a pull in, and we find that we need to reduce the pitch, then we should just be able to move it to another eye ring that's lower.

1647
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:11,780
And if we find that we reach a permanent level, we can cut off the top of that pull or we can move it and reuse it.

1648
02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:16,780
We envision this as being a way to learn with everyone else.

1649
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:19,740
There's been so many conversations about this

1650
02:12:19,740 --> 02:12:22,980
and we did reach out to another vendor,

1651
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:25,820
some of them all of our information with a sorry

1652
02:12:25,820 --> 02:12:28,860
we have no better option, we have nothing else to provide you.

1653
02:12:29,420 --> 02:12:32,600
So we feel like until we actually see this in play,

1654
02:12:33,060 --> 02:12:36,700
it's going to be very difficult to get everyone's needs met.

1655
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:40,200
So the point with this, again, is to be expandable,

1656
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:46,420
adjustable but the pitch will have to come down. So the only way to change the angle further

1657
02:12:46,420 --> 02:12:51,260
would be to build an extension on top of that open-gable which we really don't want to do.

1658
02:12:51,660 --> 02:12:57,200
So the further out we go, the taller it can be, the closer we say to the stage the shorter it

1659
02:12:57,200 --> 02:13:05,640
needs to be to intercept that sun. So we're asking for a $50,000 project budget that would go towards

1660
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:12,180
the fabric and would go for the sleeves and the poles and give us some flexibility to move

1661
02:13:12,180 --> 02:13:22,860
things around. Otherwise, we can go back to our RFQ for a design consultant. We look at

1662
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:28,180
the various configurations we've discussed before. There is a rental option. We had discussed

1663
02:13:28,180 --> 02:13:35,120
it's about $40,000 a year, but that's just for your rectangle, white, circus tent.

1664
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:40,780
That second opinion, like I said, has gone nowhere, and then a reminder that a project budget

1665
02:13:40,780 --> 02:13:41,940
doesn't exist.

1666
02:13:42,740 --> 02:13:48,700
So today I'm hoping we can hash a sound and talk about it and take a step further in an

1667
02:13:48,700 --> 02:13:48,720
interaction.

1668
02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:50,460
Go ahead.

1669
02:13:50,700 --> 02:13:56,420
I know that this has gone on for a long time and we discuss many different ways.

1670
02:13:56,420 --> 02:14:02,920
The only question I had, do you know what the light span of the light span of this triangle is?

1671
02:14:03,940 --> 02:14:05,160
It depends on the fabric.

1672
02:14:05,540 --> 02:14:10,080
So when we were originally having this discussion and we were talking with the professional group,

1673
02:14:10,080 --> 02:14:11,380
it was 10 years.

1674
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:14,000
10-year warranty but expected 15.

1675
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:15,900
And it varied by colors.

1676
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:17,220
I like it.

1677
02:14:17,860 --> 02:14:22,900
I like what you come back with, and it's certainly a fraction of cost we were looking at

1678
02:14:22,900 --> 02:14:24,560
which I'm happy with.

1679
02:14:24,980 --> 02:14:25,520
Just a question.

1680
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:28,920
So on the existing metal structure,

1681
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:31,800
are they going to be welded in?

1682
02:14:31,820 --> 02:14:33,920
No, it would just wrap around

1683
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:35,780
and then we would be able to remove it

1684
02:14:35,780 --> 02:14:38,120
because we've committed to not marring it.

1685
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:39,620
We're making any changes.

1686
02:14:39,900 --> 02:14:41,800
Okay, so what is the wrap round material again?

1687
02:14:41,900 --> 02:14:44,120
It would be a metal clamping material.

1688
02:14:44,180 --> 02:14:48,120
It's not going to be a bracket or the bracket stays there.

1689
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:50,220
It wouldn't stay there.

1690
02:14:50,220 --> 02:14:54,700
We intend on being able to remove this, and that's another question of the discussion.

1691
02:14:55,160 --> 02:14:59,980
Do we do this on a weekly basis for a three to four month period or do we leave it up?

1692
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,360
For four months, but no, the bracket would have some kind of cushioning there so it could be removed.

1693
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:08,560
Okay, so the painted structure and need to protect it somehow.

1694
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:14,140
Okay, let me say, you know, that's fine, but I mean, welding, you get a welder.

1695
02:15:14,260 --> 02:15:17,440
You can weld something there and it's going to hold forever to and use painted, but

1696
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:19,360
Yeah, you could have an ugly bead up there too.

1697
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:19,980
We don't want that.

1698
02:15:20,180 --> 02:15:22,160
Yeah, well, you get that's what you get a good welder. I know of you.

1699
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:22,900
Okay.

1700
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:23,660
But anyway.

1701
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:24,480
You're right there.

1702
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:31,300
But if it works, then we may move towards a more permanent option where we could well

1703
02:15:31,300 --> 02:15:31,720
it on.

1704
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:37,320
But I think, you know, for this season, for this round, it's really for all of us to figure

1705
02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:39,060
out can this be done.

1706
02:15:40,260 --> 02:15:46,160
Give a concept on how long you win a target or where to move forward with it.

1707
02:15:46,580 --> 02:15:47,980
Well, this would be done by staff.

1708
02:15:48,340 --> 02:15:51,040
So if you give us money, we will procure materials.

1709
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:58,640
right now we have Gorillin and Chillin that will be using this space and we are working with some kind of a shade issue with them as well

1710
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:03,600
So we would anticipate installing this right after them. That's great

1711
02:16:05,540 --> 02:16:11,100
Great news. I appreciate the hard work. What did it slower and any you really got and thanks for going on the

1712
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:17,020
field trip. The full trip gave you some other ideas. I thought it was they weren't open during the week otherwise

1713
02:16:17,020 --> 02:16:24,740
We would have done the ready ride. Oh, I got you. I think that's a really good chance that what we would what we're going to learn

1714
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,460
Open the me impact by

1715
02:16:29,460 --> 02:16:31,720
So now or more what

1716
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:33,880
our final decision is

1717
02:16:33,880 --> 02:16:36,100
because some of this stuff that I saw that was

1718
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:38,820
300 plus was

1719
02:16:39,940 --> 02:16:45,860
Crazy to me, so I think it's a good way to go to start on that note also

1720
02:16:45,860 --> 02:16:48,600
It wasn't symmetrical on my head trouble with that.

1721
02:16:49,260 --> 02:16:53,220
This was too abstract for me, but this has, you know, it's symmetrical.

1722
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:54,380
It looks better.

1723
02:16:54,560 --> 02:16:54,600
It looks better.

1724
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:55,540
I think it's okay.

1725
02:16:56,460 --> 02:17:01,860
Is there only we could look at, you kind of used the winters as a, as practice him on this?

1726
02:17:03,720 --> 02:17:05,540
Those were those pictures in the beginning.

1727
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:09,320
So it's really somewhat different because it's just a 20-foot spread

1728
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:13,840
and it's going from a metal fence to, you know, wood.

1729
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:17,540
so they were able to utilize those structures better.

1730
02:17:17,680 --> 02:17:21,880
And they also had concrete that they could bolt the poles into.

1731
02:17:22,500 --> 02:17:27,140
So we're trying to change it and reimagine it for this purpose.

1732
02:17:27,340 --> 02:17:29,480
So there's no sense in driving the winners and looking at it.

1733
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:32,300
You were just looking at the attachment method, not the design.

1734
02:17:32,340 --> 02:17:33,480
I mean, go there.

1735
02:17:33,740 --> 02:17:34,240
It's beautiful.

1736
02:17:34,500 --> 02:17:36,240
All the rows are blooming right now.

1737
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,600
I would tell anyone to go there and have a beautiful coi pond.

1738
02:17:39,960 --> 02:17:41,460
It really was a lovely walk around.

1739
02:17:41,460 --> 02:17:43,020
We got permission from the property.

1740
02:17:43,540 --> 02:17:49,300
and the manager to go walk around so we could talk with their staff about this project as well.

1741
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:52,440
But I believe that they're having brunches on the weekend.

1742
02:17:52,660 --> 02:17:58,200
I remember they could have some like this down in the department school because it is a beautiful place.

1743
02:17:58,420 --> 02:17:58,880
It is beautiful.

1744
02:17:59,280 --> 02:17:59,800
It is.

1745
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:00,320
It really is.

1746
02:18:01,340 --> 02:18:04,040
Anyway, any more questions or let's go to the public?

1747
02:18:04,740 --> 02:18:04,760
Good.

1748
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:07,280
The public like to come in on this?

1749
02:18:11,580 --> 02:18:12,300
Oh, go ahead.

1750
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:22,120
So I didn't come here planning to comment on this, but I am uniquely qualified because I'm a photographer and I work with the sun and the sun angles all day every.

1751
02:18:23,020 --> 02:18:26,740
So my question, I actually just have questions for you.

1752
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:35,400
On the, on the, I guess it's the north western side of these things, how low do you envision those going?

1753
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:43,840
Yeah, so on the polls that are on the, that are out in the lawn.

1754
02:18:52,620 --> 02:18:58,800
I will say that we do not want to go lower than 10 feet simply because we do not want

1755
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:06,060
people attempting to hang on these structures or block the view from the street and surrounding

1756
02:19:06,060 --> 02:19:06,760
areas.

1757
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:13,720
So my comment is this, is that, again, as a photographer, I work with Sun Angles a lot, it might

1758
02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:19,800
be useful before even going down this route to get out there with PVC pipe and string.

1759
02:19:20,280 --> 02:19:26,280
To see if that is even far enough out to get the sun angle out of that performance face

1760
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:32,140
because frankly what can end up happening is that you have to go so low because the sun

1761
02:19:32,140 --> 02:19:37,900
drop stand of the horizon that it's just not useful and what you're going to do is block

1762
02:19:37,900 --> 02:19:39,420
the view of everybody back there.

1763
02:19:39,420 --> 02:19:42,580
So you have a shade structure that looks like this.

1764
02:19:43,460 --> 02:19:46,300
And so what my suggestion would be is to go out there

1765
02:19:46,300 --> 02:19:46,740
with some strings.

1766
02:19:46,780 --> 02:19:47,900
You need to address the council.

1767
02:19:48,940 --> 02:19:49,300
OK.

1768
02:19:49,700 --> 02:19:53,060
My suggestion to council would be to have somebody

1769
02:19:53,060 --> 02:19:57,280
go out there with a stick and string and see if that is actually

1770
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:02,080
an angle that is going to block the sun before approving this money

1771
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:03,400
to go towards it.

1772
02:20:03,620 --> 02:20:07,480
Because the existing designs on that shade study that you showed,

1773
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:13,600
You notice that the shade is moving from a structure that is a good 30, 40, 50 feet back,

1774
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:15,660
because the sun is coming in at an angle.

1775
02:20:16,300 --> 02:20:20,840
And so what's going to happen here is that if you have it directly connected to the stage itself,

1776
02:20:21,580 --> 02:20:26,060
all of the shade from that is going to fall on the very back of the stage at best.

1777
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:32,500
And so I would suggest that before even going forward with a $50,000 solution,

1778
02:20:32,500 --> 02:20:40,700
in order to save a $300,000 solution, is to go out and do some even more direct testing of it

1779
02:20:40,700 --> 02:20:45,420
to see if you even want to spend that $50,000 because then you may end up just spending

1780
02:20:45,420 --> 02:20:52,400
$350 without having, without having checked just on an angle basis.

1781
02:20:52,820 --> 02:20:53,400
That's all.

1782
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:57,560
Well, what they don't spend, and we get back, and I think you did mention that you're going to

1783
02:20:57,560 --> 02:21:00,300
use PBC instead of either, so I think you did mention that in your presentation.

1784
02:21:01,060 --> 02:21:01,200
John.

1785
02:21:08,190 --> 02:21:18,230
Thank you. My only concern or question is from a liability standpoint. Rain, water, fabric starts to

1786
02:21:18,230 --> 02:21:21,890
pool, starts to collect, you get the weight of the water, how much is that going to be?

1787
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:27,590
I think it's porous and okay, that was my only concern. Thank you.

1788
02:21:28,290 --> 02:21:35,270
Anyone else? Yeah, I was just comment on that, John, is the idea is with all the events that

1789
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:39,530
going on from mostly on the months where there's no rain.

1790
02:21:39,710 --> 02:21:42,350
It's really all about the next sun.

1791
02:21:43,130 --> 02:21:45,290
And it's going to be taken up and put them down.

1792
02:21:45,450 --> 02:21:46,630
It's going to be going up and down.

1793
02:21:47,490 --> 02:21:47,690
All right.

1794
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:48,670
Let's finish public comment.

1795
02:21:48,830 --> 02:21:50,290
Anyone else?

1796
02:21:50,530 --> 02:21:51,310
Anyone at home?

1797
02:21:51,690 --> 02:21:54,550
To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on

1798
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:57,650
raise hand via teleconference, press star nine.

1799
02:21:59,930 --> 02:22:01,390
And there's no further public comment there.

1800
02:22:01,430 --> 02:22:01,930
Thank you.

1801
02:22:02,010 --> 02:22:03,430
Yeah, I think you did a great job, Lauren.

1802
02:22:03,770 --> 02:22:05,890
I'm supportive of the request.

1803
02:22:05,890 --> 02:22:12,090
I think probably some of that 50,000 was going to go towards the BBC and doing that as accurate.

1804
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:13,990
Yeah, we have PVC in-house.

1805
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:15,650
We've attempted to do frames before.

1806
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:20,950
It's really just fixing it to the open gable that hasn't happened before.

1807
02:22:21,310 --> 02:22:23,230
And that's where you see all of these arrows.

1808
02:22:23,450 --> 02:22:27,970
We need to figure out how far back to take it with that 10 foot limitation.

1809
02:22:28,370 --> 02:22:30,850
And any funny that's not used goes back into the general.

1810
02:22:30,990 --> 02:22:31,390
Correct.

1811
02:22:31,550 --> 02:22:35,170
And believe me, if we try out our trial and it doesn't work,

1812
02:22:35,170 --> 02:22:39,730
We don't want to look stupid either, so we'll come back to that another discussion.

1813
02:22:40,530 --> 02:22:41,270
Anyone else?

1814
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:45,490
I was going to say something similar, I wasn't going to use the word stupid, but this is

1815
02:22:45,490 --> 02:22:48,350
something that you guys are, you already said, you guys are doing it.

1816
02:22:48,850 --> 02:22:52,650
So it's going to be, we're going to know who did it and what you did, so I'm sure you guys

1817
02:22:52,650 --> 02:22:55,250
are going to make us proud.

1818
02:22:55,430 --> 02:22:56,570
We're going to try our best.

1819
02:22:57,010 --> 02:22:58,050
I appreciate it.

1820
02:22:58,050 --> 02:23:02,310
I think it was Mr. Duro's response in what not, ready for motion.

1821
02:23:02,310 --> 02:23:04,450
I don't want to say good-bye.

1822
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:12,410
As if anybody cares, but I used to do solar orientations too, because I own the instruction

1823
02:23:12,410 --> 02:23:16,770
company where we play solar arrays, and I think the general background is right.

1824
02:23:17,950 --> 02:23:22,630
Even after we did it, we screwed up once in a while, and you have the sun angle, the different

1825
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:26,570
months, and you have the different hours, and then it comes all together, you can mess up.

1826
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:31,110
But I kind of liked the idea that I had nerd before, as rather than using plastic, you

1827
02:23:31,110 --> 02:23:35,270
spring because you're going to see the limits of it. It's going to be a lot easier to test.

1828
02:23:35,630 --> 02:23:42,090
So I appreciate that coming. All right. So I have a motion. Make the motion. Second.

1829
02:23:42,990 --> 02:23:47,850
Madam Clerk, we have first and second. We'll call vote to approve as written council member

1830
02:23:47,850 --> 02:23:53,930
Ernest. Council member Handershot. Council member Johnson. Mayor Berg.

1831
02:23:53,930 --> 02:24:02,730
I. Okay, we postpone or hold 12.5 for another agenda per staff and it brings us to 12.6.

1832
02:24:03,730 --> 02:24:11,950
Upgrade on the engineering departments efforts to unpacker projects and securing grants through the local Iowa Safety Improvement Program.

1833
02:24:12,470 --> 02:24:23,010
This will include an update on the construction of the city's HSIP Cycle 10 project plans, specifications and engineering for the

1834
02:24:24,690 --> 02:24:31,710
HSIP cycle 11 project and the grant application award of the city's HSIP cycle 12 projects.

1835
02:24:32,330 --> 02:24:34,830
Hi, good evening.

1836
02:24:35,370 --> 02:24:36,630
Good evening, members of the council.

1837
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:38,050
My name is Jordan Santos.

1838
02:24:38,470 --> 02:24:40,690
I am an engineer here at Hearing Department.

1839
02:24:41,710 --> 02:24:54,030
And I am here today to give you just a general update on the city's past and current and future activities related to the highway safety and program or HCIP for short.

1840
02:24:54,990 --> 02:25:03,290
So, for a quick background, the HCIP program is a federally funded but state distributed discretionary grant fund,

1841
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:08,730
meaning that all of the money is federal money, but because it is delegated through the state,

1842
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:17,610
how trans is the ultimate holder of the funds and therefore the funds aren't subject to your typical federal grant application standards.

1843
02:25:18,410 --> 02:25:27,150
The city has been actively on an almost annual basis of buying and being awarded grants through the HCIP programs since 2021.

1844
02:25:29,650 --> 02:25:34,470
And typically there are two forms of the HCIP grant.

1845
02:25:34,490 --> 02:25:42,310
One is a set aside grant which are typically lower cost, more immediate in government terms,

1846
02:25:42,310 --> 02:25:59,130
solutions to minor traffic problems and then there are the larger benefit cost analysis projects, which require a significant amount of additional upfront work from the agencies of buying for them and are typically much more competitive compared to the set of site grants.

1847
02:26:01,060 --> 02:26:15,680
So, the first HCIP grants that we were awarded was from HCIP cycle 10 back in either 2020 or the beginning of 2021, which as I'm sure many of you have noticed in our where is improvements in and around John Night Middle School.

1848
02:26:16,740 --> 02:26:26,480
So, when the city had heard the John Night Middle School was being renovated and was going to be reopened, we looked to secure some funding in order to help improve the area.

1849
02:26:28,340 --> 02:26:35,260
But very recently, we threw some struggles that we had through construction that delayed

1850
02:26:35,260 --> 02:26:35,920
the project.

1851
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:42,180
We have reached substantial completion of the project, the final outlying piece where the

1852
02:26:42,180 --> 02:26:47,580
electrical components of the RFBs associated with the primary crosswalk that goes north

1853
02:26:47,580 --> 02:26:57,180
south along the eastern leg of the 4th Street and East A Street intersection.

1854
02:26:58,700 --> 02:27:03,860
With that, again, there are pretty significant improvements to the 4th Street and East A Street

1855
02:27:03,860 --> 02:27:09,140
intersection as well as some additional crosswalk enhancements to update the crosswalks

1856
02:27:09,140 --> 02:27:18,120
the more modern, latter-style striping at North 4th Street and B Street, South 4th Street

1857
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:22,180
and May's and East A Street and 7th Street.

1858
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:29,700
So, again, the project is in its project, completion slash acceptance phase, there's some

1859
02:27:29,700 --> 02:27:34,700
minor work that needs to be repaired on the project by the contractor, otherwise we are effectively

1860
02:27:34,700 --> 02:27:45,340
finish with it. For age of cycle 11, we were awarded funds to do some crosswalk improvements

1861
02:27:45,340 --> 02:27:50,060
and really crosswalk installation over at the good neighbor Christian school down the street

1862
02:27:50,060 --> 02:27:56,660
as well as some additional crosswalk improvements at East A Street and Fifth Street to finalize

1863
02:27:56,660 --> 02:28:02,760
the improvements centered around John Night Middle School. The intersection or the crossing

1864
02:28:02,760 --> 02:28:08,840
improvements over by the good neighbor Christian school will include the installation of

1865
02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:13,400
new landing platform, new concrete landing platforms both on the south and north side of the

1866
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:20,620
street as well as a new brand new crosswalk and again installation of RFBs to assist with

1867
02:28:20,620 --> 02:28:26,340
crossing the road, especially with the traffic from people coming in from county roads.

1868
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:32,740
We felt that was a fairly significant area because of the number of schools along that

1869
02:28:32,740 --> 02:28:40,980
road. We did, in conjunction with the Public Works Department, install a few warning signs

1870
02:28:41,900 --> 02:28:46,440
in county's right of way. We got permission from Sloan County to install some warning

1871
02:28:46,440 --> 02:28:55,120
sides in coming westbound into town from the county roads to help announce that there is a

1872
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:56,600
school zone coming up.

1873
02:28:58,700 --> 02:29:03,620
For cycle 12, we applied for this last year during the call for projects

1874
02:29:03,620 --> 02:29:05,780
and we're actually awarded two separate grants.

1875
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:10,520
So, one of them for the district improvements and one of them for bicycle-related improvements.

1876
02:29:11,400 --> 02:29:17,860
So, for the bicycle-related improvements, this project stemmed from the streets master plan that we had

1877
02:29:17,860 --> 02:29:20,440
finalized and approved by Council back in 2021.

1878
02:29:21,240 --> 02:29:29,560
It involves installing striped bicycle lanes on North Adams street from a street up to North

1879
02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:37,640
streets for those that are unaware North Adam Street as part of the Solano County Regional

1880
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:44,260
Bikeway that goes from the far end of Fairfield, I believe, all the way through to Davis.

1881
02:29:45,500 --> 02:29:49,620
The striping will be very similar to the striping improvements that were made along South

1882
02:29:49,620 --> 02:29:54,560
Board of Road when we completed the final phase of the Vacadix and Project in conjunction with

1883
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:57,040
It's a lot of convenient in back of y'all.

1884
02:29:58,040 --> 02:29:59,960
So typical Class II.

1885
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,020
Likewise striping with the green, it's interconnect striking or disruptions striping at all of the interceptions.

1886
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:11,360
That's really

1887
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:18,240
it, I just wanted to comment, provide an update on what our active transportation grant projects are outside, of course,

1888
02:30:18,480 --> 02:30:20,080
of the part we will of our project.

1889
02:30:21,660 --> 02:30:26,220
But I'm open to any questions or any comments that you may have.

1890
02:30:26,220 --> 02:30:30,660
Okay, there's not action progress information only, but do you guys have any questions of Jordan?

1891
02:30:32,580 --> 02:30:32,900
Real quick.

1892
02:30:33,340 --> 02:30:39,300
I just, um, people that run around preventing things don't often get a pause, but thank you.

1893
02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:43,880
You're preventing those apps and possible death, though.

1894
02:30:44,460 --> 02:30:47,260
Don't ever be famous for that because you're preventative, but.

1895
02:30:47,860 --> 02:30:54,140
And looking to find ways to bring funds in to our city that we don't have to generate within.

1896
02:30:54,140 --> 02:30:57,320
It's another who well done for me.

1897
02:30:57,700 --> 02:30:57,860
Thank you.

1898
02:30:57,940 --> 02:30:59,060
I appreciate that.

1899
02:30:59,160 --> 02:30:59,500
What else?

1900
02:31:00,480 --> 02:31:01,080
Thanks, Jordan.

1901
02:31:01,960 --> 02:31:02,380
Thanks, Jordan.

1902
02:31:02,820 --> 02:31:03,920
So I'll go to the public comment.

1903
02:31:04,060 --> 02:31:05,860
Anybody in the public I'd like to comment in this item?

1904
02:31:23,410 --> 02:31:23,550
Yeah.

1905
02:31:23,670 --> 02:31:29,930
It's a find it interesting that we believe that striping has solved the problems on fourth and

1906
02:31:29,930 --> 02:31:31,230
a-street.

1907
02:31:31,450 --> 02:31:38,590
I would imagine the people that live over in that area, such as Mr. Bezene, who is not...

1908
02:31:38,590 --> 02:31:44,710
It's not conducive for him to come down here due to his health condition, as far as having

1909
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:48,270
a potential heart problem dealing with youth people.

1910
02:31:49,450 --> 02:31:54,690
It's rather ridiculous that we haven't taken care of the problem that we have to listen

1911
02:31:54,690 --> 02:31:55,290
to.

1912
02:31:56,130 --> 02:31:58,430
We need funding to put striping down.

1913
02:31:58,730 --> 02:32:00,870
I mean, how big of an expense is that?

1914
02:32:01,190 --> 02:32:04,770
I would just simply say, where's the stop sign that should be there?

1915
02:32:04,770 --> 02:32:08,030
You have, that school is loaded with kids.

1916
02:32:08,450 --> 02:32:10,550
You need to have additional controls.

1917
02:32:10,830 --> 02:32:16,330
Mr. Henderson, I talked about the speeding coming from out in the country coming into town,

1918
02:32:16,510 --> 02:32:17,490
and I'm not slowing down.

1919
02:32:17,690 --> 02:32:23,390
You've got a minor hump out there that doesn't do anything.

1920
02:32:24,270 --> 02:32:27,710
It's so ridiculously small that people just fly over it.

1921
02:32:28,030 --> 02:32:30,550
I don't see that you've solved anything out there.

1922
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:40,390
to see that we've got grants for this sort of thing, and nothing is happening other than striping and the speed hump.

1923
02:32:41,490 --> 02:32:42,570
It doesn't sit well.

1924
02:32:42,890 --> 02:32:43,550
Thank you.

1925
02:32:44,510 --> 02:32:45,250
Anyone else?

1926
02:32:49,440 --> 02:32:50,400
Please do us again.

1927
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:55,460
This is one that you have heard not from me, but from my family about in the past.

1928
02:32:56,000 --> 02:33:04,560
And I want to say that, partially, we are happy to eat some of our words that, to Mr.

1929
02:33:04,660 --> 02:33:11,980
Sarah Miller's point, we actually have seen a pretty good improvement since the lights went in at that speed hump.

1930
02:33:12,460 --> 02:33:15,600
So when those lights are flashing, we have seen drivers slow down.

1931
02:33:16,180 --> 02:33:20,900
It is, that is a significant improvement on how things have been at that intersection.

1932
02:33:20,900 --> 02:33:50,880
So I also, if you want to say well done, that is, that is working well today, I think that, you know, as you, as you heard, is a lot of us that are concerned about the ongoing development, I would say that this is still in area that we would like to have you all keep your eyes on, because as we see more development going in, especially at campus, whether or not harvest comes in, a street is going to be gone.

1933
02:33:50,900 --> 02:33:54,680
a little bit more, but thoroughfare, especially for students coming into John Knight.

1934
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:58,480
And so looking, continuing to look at that intersection as a potential

1935
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:04,480
stop-site area, stop-sign area, would be appreciated, but I do want to acknowledge

1936
02:34:04,480 --> 02:34:09,280
that this has been a big improvement over the way that things have been

1937
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:10,240
over at John Knight.

1938
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:14,420
I love two doors down from that intersection, so I know.

1939
02:34:14,680 --> 02:34:14,900
Thanks.

1940
02:34:16,840 --> 02:34:17,500
Anyone else?

1941
02:34:18,620 --> 02:34:18,740
All right.

1942
02:34:18,760 --> 02:34:19,320
Anyone online?

1943
02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:25,360
If you provide public comment, the video conferencing click on Raise Hand, the Attella Conference

1944
02:34:25,360 --> 02:34:26,600
Press star 9,

1945
02:34:29,430 --> 02:34:30,990
and there's no further public comment there.

1946
02:34:31,330 --> 02:34:34,430
Okay, and that was an update to report no action needed.

1947
02:34:34,690 --> 02:34:35,810
I have something to say.

1948
02:34:36,510 --> 02:34:36,530
Okay.

1949
02:34:37,970 --> 02:34:40,810
First off, Jordan, thank you, and I appreciate it.

1950
02:34:40,930 --> 02:34:46,730
The way I see this is another piece, the fix the problem out there, and it is getting better.

1951
02:34:46,730 --> 02:35:02,210
I work out very occasionally and watch, but I'm still determined to get a stop sign there at this street in A Street coming in from the big east because I still think if people end up stopping that far out it will slow them down coming through there.

1952
02:35:02,510 --> 02:35:06,690
So this is an important piece, but we're not done yet today.

1953
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:28,290
Okay, having that move on to item 13, so before public comment again for non agenda items, I think everybody got everything out on a harvest so we don't need to reiterate that, but if there's something someone would like to share that was not covered earlier, when you had their first attempt to public comment now be the time.

1954
02:35:41,380 --> 02:35:48,260
actually this does apply a little bit to the harvest comments because Mr. White chimed in

1955
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:52,780
after the comments period was over. He made the statement that

1956
02:35:53,660 --> 02:35:59,320
Measure B with the 30% limitation would still allow all of these homes to be built.

1957
02:36:00,060 --> 02:36:07,820
Well, the fact of the matter is when Measure B or Measure D as it was originally called was put in place back in the

1958
02:36:07,820 --> 02:36:16,120
I guess in the 1980s and then voted to get in 1996, that it was not supposed to be a target of 3% growth.

1959
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:21,200
It was a limit of 3% growth. You didn't use it, you were supposed to lose it.

1960
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:27,380
We had this commentary many times over the years. I've been here since 1991 and I've heard,

1961
02:36:27,540 --> 02:36:33,660
and I know I've talked to Mr. Ferrarro, who was part of the group long with Jeremy Burton,

1962
02:36:33,660 --> 02:36:40,200
But this thing in, and yet we had a city manager at the time,

1963
02:36:40,480 --> 02:36:45,460
wasn't Mr. Lenley, that decided that they wanted to thank all

1964
02:36:45,460 --> 02:36:49,040
of these allocations, and then it became a target.

1965
02:36:49,720 --> 02:36:54,500
That was not the point, and I made the point, so I guess that's it.

1966
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:55,280
Thank you.

1967
02:36:55,480 --> 02:36:56,640
Anyone else?

1968
02:36:57,740 --> 02:36:58,400
Anyone at home?

1969
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:02,740
To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on right

1970
02:37:02,740 --> 02:37:09,560
be a telecomference press star nine and there's no further public comment

1971
02:37:09,560 --> 02:37:16,180
mayor. All right items from the council Mr. Ernest. Mr. Johnson. I have one

1972
02:37:16,180 --> 02:37:23,620
item. The at a future meeting. There was a when we went through all the water

1973
02:37:23,620 --> 02:37:29,600
project and we had a one two three four five year plan and it was eventually

1974
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:35,720
past of the 2018 process, there was a plan for year one plan for year two. I know May and June is busy,

1975
02:37:36,040 --> 02:37:40,420
so I'm going to officially say it doesn't have to be in the next two different meetings, but I think

1976
02:37:40,420 --> 02:37:46,440
it would be very helpful for the public to see how that has transitioned and what's going to be happening

1977
02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:54,800
and when based on the plan that bringing back up, bringing Josh back in and what's he done so far,

1978
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:56,400
what's planned, what's in the works.

1979
02:37:56,920 --> 02:37:59,640
I think it'd be good for the water customers

1980
02:37:59,640 --> 02:38:02,660
to see what's going on with the revenues

1981
02:38:02,660 --> 02:38:04,280
that were contributing to.

1982
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:05,660
Would check on the meeting,

1983
02:38:05,820 --> 02:38:07,040
but probably second meeting of July.

1984
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:08,900
That way, it's the beginning of the future.

1985
02:38:11,440 --> 02:38:12,560
Let's try to shut.

1986
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:14,880
Just to a couple things,

1987
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:16,920
the pancake breakfast Saturday morning,

1988
02:38:17,100 --> 02:38:18,000
with the right foot area.

1989
02:38:20,220 --> 02:38:22,040
Fox and then the braid.

1990
02:38:22,040 --> 02:38:27,040
We will be lining up probably roughly quarter to nine.

1991
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:35,280
All right, I have nothing else to report items from the city attorney.

1992
02:38:35,900 --> 02:38:36,780
Nothing more tonight.

1993
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:38,460
Addams from the city manager.

1994
02:38:38,900 --> 02:38:39,900
Nothing more sir.

1995
02:38:40,480 --> 02:38:44,780
All right, informational items for upcoming meetings on the 30 day calendar,

1996
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:50,680
five to 12 special city council and meeting budget workshop, six p.m.

1997
02:38:50,680 --> 02:38:53,880
Planning Commission was canceled for 513.

1998
02:38:54,660 --> 02:38:57,480
Back at Dix and Greenbelt Authority on the 14th.

1999
02:38:57,640 --> 02:38:58,540
Those canceled.

2000
02:38:58,620 --> 02:39:03,980
It brings us to May 20th for the City Council meeting at 7.

2001
02:39:05,340 --> 02:39:09,160
On the 27th Parks and Rec Commission will meet.

2002
02:39:09,880 --> 02:39:14,780
And on June 3rd it will be the first City Council meeting for the month of June.

2003
02:39:15,440 --> 02:39:17,000
And with that this meeting is adjourned.