1 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:51,879 Diana, you good? 2 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:55,675 » Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 3 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:58,320 Thank you'all for coming out tonight. 4 00:00:55,675 --> 00:01:03,199 [snorts] It is Tuesday, August 18th, 5 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:06,640 2026, 5:32 p.m. We're a little late. 6 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:07,680 Diana, would you please call roll? 7 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,680 » Mayor BS 8 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,680 » Present. 9 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:15,840 Mayor Promosian here. 10 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Council member Houston 11 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,280 » Here. 12 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,400 Council member Crowe 13 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,920 » Here. 14 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,119 » Council member Parks 15 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,880 » Here. 16 00:01:23,119 --> 00:01:27,119 » And council member Tihawa reported 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,680 absent. You have a quorum. 18 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:31,840 » Thank you. We've got staff members here. 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,079 We've got citizens from the neighborhood 20 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,079 here, which we appreciate, and some 21 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,840 consultants here. We'll work our way 22 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:39,360 through this meeting. 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,600 That being said, we'll start with the 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:45,200 pledge of allegiance. 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:47,759 Talen, would you lead us 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,880 to the flag of the United States of 27 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:54,399 America and to the republic for which it 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:57,200 stands, one nation under God, 29 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:58,960 indivisible, with liberty and justice 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,360 for all. 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,360 » Thank you, ma'am. 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,520 » All right. Presentation of citizens. 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,599 This is a time for anyone that would 34 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,440 like to speak regarding anything going 35 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,879 on in and around the city of Dripping 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:18,239 Springs or in the whole USA to speak. If 37 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:20,640 an item is listed with a public hearing, 38 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:23,120 it may be better to speak at that time 39 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:25,599 just so we have any pertinent paperwork 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,080 in front of us. Would anyone care to 41 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:29,920 speak? 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,319 Seeing and hearing no one, we'll close 43 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:35,280 presentation of citizens and we'll move 44 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:37,680 on to proclamations and presentations. 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,879 This is going to be a presentation of 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,800 the Beast Star Awards. Normally, these 47 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:44,400 are real quick presentations, but we've 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,640 got a lot of people that have worked 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,400 hard to be part of this, so it may take 50 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:50,400 us a minute, but it's well worth it. 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,879 Michelle, you going to start us off? 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,360 » Almost everybody we asked for their 53 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:57,840 consent to nominate them agreed. So, we 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,800 have a lot more than usual. These rep 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,200 awards represent um nominees from the 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,040 city for the last two years, actually. 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,360 And we have Annie Spade with us here 58 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,720 from Dark Sky, Texas, who is going to 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:13,519 first tell us a little bit about the 60 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,360 awards and then uh I'll help her by 61 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:16,319 going through the winners. 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 » So go ahead. 63 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:21,599 » Thank you, Michelle. I'm just so excited 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:24,080 to be here as a as a citizen and also as 65 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:30,080 a master naturalist to recognize each of 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:32,799 you. Um 18 is really exciting. I I 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,840 enjoyed the night skies this past week. 68 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:38,159 Orion is is seen in our pre-dawn sky 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,400 right now. I saw a persade meteor last 70 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:42,480 night when I stepped out at 10:00. So, 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,200 you're really contributing to the health 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,920 and well-being and joy of the entire 73 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,319 community as well as the animals and 74 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,239 plants. And each of you has attended to 75 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:55,519 the usefulness 76 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:58,400 um whether it's directed your lighting 77 00:03:55,519 --> 00:04:02,879 um whether it's the level that just 78 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:06,080 needs to be whether it's uh just um on 79 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:09,920 and off when you need it to be and also 80 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:12,400 the even the the color spectrum which 81 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,760 would be more on the warm side versus 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:18,880 the cool side of blue. So, uh, on behalf 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,199 of the entire community and I'm outside 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:24,240 of the ETJ and everything, but just 85 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:27,360 really so appreciate each of you, each 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,120 of the 18 who are here and not here for 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,120 all that you've done to protect our 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,160 health and well-being. 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,600 And I'll let Michelle Fisher present the 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,600 awards. 91 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,680 » Did you want to take the photos over 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,520 there? 93 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,880 So, just a little bit of logistics for 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,320 you all because we want everyone to have 95 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,199 a photo, but there's really more people 96 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,919 than we can get in one photo. Um, Lisa 97 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:53,120 is going to take photos as we go through 98 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:57,639 each recipient. Uh, and Mayor Bols 99 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,639 agreed to do that with y'all. 100 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,520 And each recipient's going to get either 101 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,759 the large or small size sign. Let us 102 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,840 know. Let Diana know which one you want. 103 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,840 If we run out of the size that you want, 104 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:21,840 we will order it for you and get it 105 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:23,919 delivered to you. And then everyone also 106 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:26,080 gets a window clean, which is over there 107 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:27,759 as well. 108 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Okay. 109 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:32,479 So, first we'd like to recognize 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,919 Wildwood Elementary School. Uh Holly and 111 00:05:32,479 --> 00:05:36,639 Scott, if you can get up and you can be 112 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:38,400 the first to get a photo. 113 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:41,440 This is a Dripping Springs Independent 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:44,800 School District Superintendent and um 115 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Chief Operations Officer Scott Barry. 116 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,560 And it's really exciting that the school 117 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,840 district um has brought, you know, this 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,440 school was built to comply with the 119 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:56,080 lighting warrants. They also over the 120 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,160 years over the years have brought most 121 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,759 of their other properties into 122 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,680 compliance with our lighting ordinance 123 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:03,039 which is really amazing including some 124 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,804 that are not in the city limits that 125 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:08,824 weren't required to to comply at all. 126 00:06:06,804 --> 00:06:08,824 [applause] 127 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,199 » Thank you. You'll see as we go through 128 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:19,360 some of these schools participants in 129 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:22,400 this across Texas but I know we're one 130 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,919 of the first districts. Yes, definitely. 131 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,880 And I have to say I think they're a 132 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:28,880 model because I cannot tell you how many 133 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:32,160 conferences I've gone to or meetings on 134 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,840 lighting where other cities have said 135 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,440 how did you get your school district to 136 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,800 comply. They, you know, they've been 137 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,120 fighting with us about it or whatever. 138 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,440 I'm like, tell them in Dripping Springs. 139 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,880 They do it and people love it. So, I 140 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,639 know they've looked looked at to y'all 141 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,800 as a great example many, many times 142 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:49,759 across the state. 143 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Okay. So, the next one is Frostbank. Is 144 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,039 Dina Allen here back? 145 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,759 You're [clears throat] here for 146 00:06:53,039 --> 00:06:58,479 Frostbank. Great. All right. You want to 147 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:00,560 go take a photo? I do want to uh 148 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:03,360 congratulate and thank Frostbank. 149 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Originally, when it was being built, it 150 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,280 was very hard and difficult to figure 151 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,759 out how to get their ATM machine to 152 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:12,080 comply with our ordinance. It's an ATM 153 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:14,479 machine that originally was outlined in 154 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,919 very white bright light. So, it didn't 155 00:07:14,479 --> 00:07:18,880 comply with our ordinance in a lot of 156 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:21,840 ways. And also it is an unusual one 157 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,080 because they are one of the few projects 158 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,639 that is lighting their flag poles from 159 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:29,360 the ground up. And usually you don't 160 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:31,120 allow that with a night sky dark sky 161 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,360 ordinance, but our ordinance does allow 162 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,400 that. It just it has to be light that is 163 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,000 very specific on how high up the pole it 164 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,240 goes so that it's not creating light 165 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,680 pollution. And theirs, as you can see, 166 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,400 does that very lovely. So 167 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,420 congratulations and thank you. 168 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,420 [applause] 169 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,160 to the left. 170 00:07:51,039 --> 00:07:54,560 » Yep. Both you guys. Everybody. 171 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,400 » The next is Heritage Amenity Center. 172 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,160 » Do we have anyone here with Heritage? 173 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,039 Great. Thanks for coming. 174 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,440 » Are you Kyle? 175 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:00,720 » There you go. 176 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,400 » Great. Congratulations. 177 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,560 » This is Kyle with MI Homes and this is 178 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,479 their amenity center in Heritage. I also 179 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,720 want to point out that I believe two 180 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:12,160 years ago or more MI Homes has also 181 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,960 received this award for some of their 182 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,560 model homes in the past. So, you know, 183 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,160 obviously their entire subdivision 184 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,080 complies with their lighting ordinance, 185 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,000 but this is a lovely example of a 186 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,355 amenity center and how beautiful it can 187 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,375 look at night and comply. Thank you. 188 00:08:24,355 --> 00:08:26,375 [applause] 189 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:33,279 The next is the learning experience. Do 190 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,399 we have anyone here from the learning 191 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:39,039 experience? Nope. Um, so this is uh 192 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:40,719 Alexander Gordon and Brad Nef's project. 193 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,440 And you can see at the top on some of 194 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:44,640 these slides, I've got photos that our 195 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,160 building department took of different 196 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,519 fixtures so people could see the 197 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,959 different types of fixtures that are 198 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:53,519 being used on projects. 199 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:54,720 Founders Animal Hospital. Sure. Anyone 200 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:57,120 is here. I don't think we have something 201 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,800 here for that. Uh this one's beautiful, 202 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,320 I think, at night when I go by it. And 203 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:04,720 that's what that one looks like right 204 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:07,360 here. And just up the road on Qataro, 205 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,000 the prep of headarters. Is there anyone 206 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,880 here with that? 207 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,560 Um, this is a really big uh school 208 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,399 preschool building and it turned out 209 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:19,120 great, I think, in the headarters 210 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:22,000 development. We appreciate their 211 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,399 compliance. 212 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Joy Belter Apartments, we have anyone 213 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:30,040 here from 214 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,040 great 215 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,120 and I believe Taylor Wilson uh was 216 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,480 involved with several of the projects 217 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,560 you're going to see tonight and this is 218 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,720 one of them. 219 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:43,120 But this is a retirement apartment 220 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,800 community and they've got some really 221 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,959 lovely light fixtures that they use 222 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,360 throughout. Really pretty landscape 223 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:52,836 lighting, too. [clears throat] 224 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,836 Congratulations. [applause] 225 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,279 The lookout apartments. Is anyone here 226 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:01,279 with that? I cannot take credit for that 227 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:03,680 amazing photo. They provided that 228 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:06,640 nighttime one at the bottom. But it's 229 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:08,560 quite a sight to see at night to see 230 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,600 that. And this is one that's in the extr 231 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:14,160 territorial jurisdiction. So they 232 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,600 normally would not have to have to have 233 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,680 done what they did and complied with the 234 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,680 lighting ordinance, but it's a beautiful 235 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:21,680 project. 236 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,120 The local apartments is the next one. Do 237 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,877 we have anyone here with the local? All 238 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,897 right. 239 00:10:24,877 --> 00:10:26,897 [applause] 240 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,440 Great. 241 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,040 I love going by this one at night, too. 242 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:50,240 » All right. Belter town homes, triplex, 243 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,697 building 2, unit 5. Do we have the 244 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,680 cartons here? I don't think so. This 245 00:10:53,697 --> 00:10:58,000 [clears throat] entire development uh in 246 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,760 Belera complied with our lighting 247 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,200 ordinance. It's in the extr territorial 248 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,040 jurisdiction. Uh, and the the Carsonian 249 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,440 were gracious enough to allow us to 250 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,880 nominate their specific unit for it. So, 251 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,959 I appreciate them letting us do that. 252 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,240 The Arrowhead Sea Store, do we have 253 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:18,079 anyone from that here? Nope. All right. 254 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Gas stations are a tricky one because 255 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:22,880 they need a lot of light, but they did a 256 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,440 great job with their lighting at this 257 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,600 place. 258 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,040 Oakwood Market. I don't think I see 259 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,959 anyone from Oakwood Market in 260 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Headarters. That one's another beautiful 261 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:35,839 one. They've got some really pretty 262 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:38,480 lights in the back as well. [snorts] 263 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:41,120 Dre's Model Home in Calera. I believe 264 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Ryan Brad Ryan [snorts] is here 265 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,800 actually. 266 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:49,680 » Uh oh. Okay. Is that an old name? 267 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,839 And this is one of their model homes. 268 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,399 They actually have several model homes 269 00:11:51,839 --> 00:11:55,279 in Calera that we could have nominated 270 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:56,880 all of [clears throat] them for this 271 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:59,680 award. This is the one that our staff 272 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,473 chose that they they really like the way 273 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:04,493 it turned out. So, thank you very much. 274 00:12:02,473 --> 00:12:04,493 [applause] 275 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,320 So, now we're moving on to remodels or 276 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:14,240 um additions and just bringing other non 277 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,320 non-complying light into compliance. So, 278 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,680 this is the Taco Bell. That was a 279 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,959 remodel of a previous um restaurant and 280 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:24,088 they did a great job with their 281 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:26,108 lighting. Thank you very much, sir. 282 00:12:24,088 --> 00:12:26,108 » [applause] 283 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:32,240 » The Valero gas station. Do we have 284 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,800 anyone here from that? All right. So, 285 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,120 they were doing a remodel and I think 286 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,959 they had to put in lights like every 287 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,320 light on the building I think is new, 288 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:43,200 but they brought that into compliance 289 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,959 and it looks great now. [snorts] 290 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Uh, CAK offices. I think I saw Ed pop 291 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:51,200 in. Nope. So this is one where they did 292 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,279 an addition to the building and when you 293 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,000 do a major addition you have to bring 294 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,440 the existing building into compliance. 295 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,200 So they brought their old building into 296 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,120 compliance and then obviously built the 297 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,000 new building as well in compliance and 298 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,279 it turned out great. 299 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,994 And then we nominated ourselves. I know 300 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,994 cheesy [laughter] 301 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,720 but we like to lead by example. So uh 302 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,959 this was our development services 303 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,639 building that PEC was in before. You can 304 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:20,880 see two photos showing what it looked 305 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,399 like before and then what it looked like 306 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,279 after [laughter] 307 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:28,320 after we we switched out all the 308 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:30,560 lighting. And then the last one is our 309 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,279 downtown restrooms on Mercer Street that 310 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,680 look really pretty at night. And that's 311 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,504 it. 312 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,504 » Can we applaud for ourselves? [applause] 313 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,120 » So, thank you all very much for what you 314 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,120 do to preserve the night sky. We 315 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,040 appreciate it. 316 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,914 Thank you all for everything you do. 317 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,914 » Thank y'all. [clears throat] 318 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:03,760 » All right. 319 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:07,634 Well, Sean, we did that one in 14 320 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,634 minutes, so now you're up. [laughter] 321 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:14,760 » I will be as concise as I can. 322 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,040 I think we'll be good. Mayor and 323 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:34,560 council, uh, welcome. It is August 18th. 324 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,720 This is the ninth and final scheduled 325 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,160 workshop we have. Of course, uh, it's up 326 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,920 to council's discretion if we'd like to 327 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,760 call any more before the end of 328 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,915 September, but this is the last one we 329 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,800 had in the calendar. So finally, 330 00:14:44,915 --> 00:14:48,480 [laughter] 331 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,760 so again, as I mentioned, uh, budget 332 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,600 workshop number nine. Uh, just again, 333 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,440 all of our budgets are posted on the 334 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,680 website. And just to provide a little 335 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,560 bit more information from what we did 336 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,880 last week, uh, we now have updated our 337 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,720 uh, proposed budget workshops page. So 338 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,800 there are a list of all of our 339 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,040 presentations, budgets, backup paperwork 340 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,920 that was included in y'all's binders. 341 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,440 And then of course we've [clears throat] 342 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,120 updated our truth and taxation 343 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,120 information with the proposed rates that 344 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,199 council approved at the the last 345 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,720 meeting. I just wanted to show that to 346 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:22,480 council. We mentioned at the last one, 347 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,560 but again uh Glory and Payton and Lisa 348 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,480 and Stephanie all at the city got our 349 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,760 websites updated for us looking really 350 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,920 nice. So good presentations there. So 351 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,360 again for tonight we will be discussing 352 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,360 uh the TUR uh which is apt. They 353 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,600 proposed their budget at their meeting 354 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,279 last night. So, it is as fresh off the 355 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,160 presses as could possibly be, but we 356 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:44,079 will get to that in [clears throat] just 357 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,480 a moment. 358 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:49,600 I wanted to first go to the amendments 359 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:53,759 that you'll notice uh in your packet. Uh 360 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:55,920 if we start with the general fund uh 361 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,720 based on the proposed tax rate that 362 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:02,480 council adopted, we updated that figure 363 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,920 for uh revenues coming in in FY27. That 364 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,079 is the only thing that drove that number 365 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,360 up. Uh so just wanted to show it in 366 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:09,040 there because that is what council 367 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,959 proposed. Again, if we propose a 368 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,720 different rate, that number will change 369 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:14,079 as well, but just wanted to to show that 370 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,000 we did make that adjustment in the 371 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:18,480 budget. 372 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,079 Uh looking at the DSRP, uh these are all 373 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,000 changes to the FY26 projections. Uh so 374 00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:25,279 we had uh programming revenue come in 375 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,279 higher, but you'll see we also had 376 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:28,800 programming expenditures come in higher. 377 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,519 That's based on that that higher 378 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,759 expenditure there. Office supplies uh 379 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:36,079 came in a little bit higher. So to dues 380 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:38,480 and fees, uh equipment maintenance, 381 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:40,000 these were all line items about three or 382 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,600 four months ago looking at we didn't 383 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,160 know that we would need the full amount. 384 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,759 So we were projecting that we wouldn't. 385 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,519 And so now looking into it, we've had 386 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,800 some things pop up. We're putting some 387 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,880 of that money back. So that's why you 388 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,360 see those changes there. Still gives a 389 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,920 strong balance forward to FY27. Still 390 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,000 not negatively impacting the FY27's uh 391 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,120 balance forward to FY28. But just wanted 392 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,079 to make council aware of those 393 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,799 projections. 394 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:06,400 Again, uh Texas uh gas franchise fee is 395 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:09,679 one of the questions that was asked uh 396 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,600 at the meeting. Uh we had it at 334.90. 397 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:13,439 We've reduced that to 10. Turns out it 398 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,280 wasn't Texas gas that was with a big 399 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:17,280 payment in there. It was Texas disposal 400 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,360 systems. All I saw was Texas. That's 401 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,799 been moved to the correct line item. Uh 402 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:22,959 which is why you see that reduction 403 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:25,199 there. Not a loss of money uh in the 404 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:27,760 fund. It's just changing that line item 405 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:30,400 that it went to. 406 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,240 And we'll go uh in the council 407 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,840 questions. One of the questions was how 408 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,280 much do we think the new gas company's 409 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,160 providing? We've got information on that 410 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:41,280 as well uh in the follow-up questions. 411 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:44,640 Uh looking at the uh that's not the DSRP 412 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,480 fund, that is the uh TUR fund. Uh uh 413 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,280 this is actually all of our alternate 414 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,760 funds. Uh so there you see the TUR 415 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,600 reviewed their budget uh at the meeting 416 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,919 yesterday. They made some changes from 417 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,520 what was originally in the packet. I put 418 00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:59,919 it in here just because it was amendment 419 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,600 from the last version of the budget you 420 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:03,280 had, but we'll talk about that more when 421 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:08,080 we talk about the TUR's budget, but just 422 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:12,960 wanted to bring council aware of it. 423 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:15,039 Now, moving on to council questions. 424 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Uh, first question we got was when will 425 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:20,559 the debt issued in 2019 uh for the water 426 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,559 development board pay be paid off? Uh, 427 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:24,880 we have that being the final payment 428 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:28,080 being made in June of 2040. Of course, 429 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,600 it is callable in 2029. At that point, 430 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,039 if we had the revenues and wanted to 431 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,480 fully pay it off, we could. Or if we 432 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:34,720 wanted to look at refinancing through 433 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,880 arbitrage and and that type of thing, we 434 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,640 could do that as well. But so 2029 is 435 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,200 the first date we might take action on 436 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,640 that. Very similar to what we did uh for 437 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,840 the 20 2005 issuance that was our 2015 438 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,679 that we recently paid off. 439 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,400 Uh there was some uh other questions 440 00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:54,160 asked on the issuance uh for the 2026 441 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,120 debt that the water development board 442 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,039 just approved. So and earlier in August 443 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,840 the water development board approved our 444 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:05,200 our loan grant application for a little 445 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,960 over 53 million I believe for the 446 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,880 project. We will close on that loan in 447 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,840 January. And so we're doing all the 448 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,840 paperwork now. In your packet though is 449 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,200 the draft 450 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,960 uh payoff schedule. And so uh Chris 451 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,559 Lane, our financial adviser, was able to 452 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,559 provide that. It of course may change 453 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,240 depending on some of those numbers uh 454 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:27,919 for closeout costs and things like that 455 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,200 if they change, but we're roughly 456 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:34,640 spending about uh $3 million50 uh every 457 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:39,280 year on that debt payment 458 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:40,720 starting in 27. Sorry. Uh 459 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280 next question was is there any estimate 460 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:46,160 of what the impact uh for natural gas uh 461 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,960 with the additional firm coming in? Uh 462 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:53,200 we're showing that they are contributing 463 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:55,600 around 3 to 4,000 uh so far and so 464 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,919 that's an additional 3 to 4,000 on top 465 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,919 of the Texas gas franchise fee. So 466 00:19:57,919 --> 00:20:02,000 Universal Gas is also contributing. So 467 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:05,480 we've got that projection bumped up from 468 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,480 6 to 10. 469 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,640 And then there was some information at 470 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,480 some additional information requested on 471 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:16,080 the utilities department vehicle 472 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,840 request. Uh essentially it boils down to 473 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,160 we have a number of pieces of heavy 474 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,240 equipment. A lot of which will be used 475 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,919 on the same job. You could use the back 476 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,400 truck and the mid skinny the skid steer 477 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:30,960 or the mini excavator. All of those need 478 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,880 a heavy duty truck to pull. Yes, we do 479 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,039 have the crane truck, but looking at 480 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,640 CDLs, once you add the trailer and any 481 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:39,760 piece of equipment, you push it into 482 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:42,320 that CDL uh capacity where you need a 483 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,159 special license to drive it. So, also 484 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,960 the crane truck is not a truck we want 485 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:48,799 going out to all of our 486 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,480 anytime we've got to do maintenance or a 487 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,960 work order out there. It's not our 488 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,080 everyday driver. Uh but the proposed 489 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:58,480 vehicle is being proposed at FY27. 490 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Currently, we have two vacant positions 491 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,600 uh in the utilities department, and 492 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:03,280 we're able to make it work with the 493 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,799 trucks we have because they can can 494 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,240 double up. And right now, they're 495 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,640 they're able to double up, and even if 496 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,720 we added those two, uh one or two of 497 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,280 them could still double up as well. It's 498 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,440 just we anticipate the growth with the 499 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,280 other package plants coming on with the 500 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,799 new plant being built and designed that 501 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,480 ultimately we're going to need that 502 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,640 additional vehicle. And so what they're 503 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,360 proposing in 27 is that additional 504 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,760 vehicle of a 3/4 ton uh pick diesel 505 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:30,880 pickup truck. Uh right now the 3/4 ton 506 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,280 we have uh is a gas truck. And so also 507 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,960 not looking to put too much strain on it 508 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,960 with it always hauling the heavy 509 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960 equipment, but we can duplicate those 510 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,200 efforts. So again, it's a supplemental 511 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,440 request. It's not necessarily needed 512 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,640 October 1st, but it is anticipated to be 513 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,400 needed within FY27. Uh hence the ask. 514 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,320 It's also one just wanted to make 515 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,919 council aware of it in the future when 516 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,000 we ask if we need to ask again. 517 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:55,600 » Let me back up because and I may have 518 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,320 very easily misunderstood you. I 519 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,200 understand on CDL and combined way we 520 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,760 got to have a CDL. If we don't buy this 521 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,640 truck and we do have the equipment, how 522 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280 are we going to move it without a CDL 523 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,200 driver? 524 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,960 » We'll drop the truck, go get the next 525 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,720 piece of equipment, pick it up on a new 526 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,400 trailer. I would imagine you'd be making 527 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,159 multiple trips with the same truck so 528 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,919 that you're not violating that CDL. kind 529 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:20,159 of backed into needing to buy this truck 530 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:20,799 fairly quickly. 531 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:24,640 » Excuse me. 532 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:27,600 » Sorry. Sorry. Uh yeah. Um 533 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,840 not a necessity like I say October one, 534 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,440 but there is the foresight that it will 535 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,000 be needed sooner rather than later. 536 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,280 Hence being added in the budget now. 537 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,600 » And I'm sorry, Greg, go ahead. 538 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:44,440 » I was just wanting him to finish. Uh so 539 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:44,440 we do have the current gas 34 ton will 540 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,559 put 541 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,960 that 542 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:55,120 » But part of uh the reason the new truck 543 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,880 is diesel is again to help with the 544 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,080 pulling of that heavy equipment. It a 545 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,320 little more strain on the gas engine 546 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,320 than diesel. 547 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,919 » I'm not a mechanic. I wouldn't. 548 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,760 [laughter] 549 00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:07,760 » Thank you. Thanks Greg. 550 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:17,120 Oh, the uh fifth question we has uh how 551 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,960 might the tax rate be utilized? I have 552 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,640 » So again, council, if you remember, we 553 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,919 uh adopted the proposed tax rate of 27 554 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880 uh 272. 555 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:27,840 » I'm going to interrupt you one last 556 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,600 time. Lisa, if y'all would like to do 557 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,520 another picture, please. I'm going to 558 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960 interrupt this just for that. People 559 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,320 that have worked hard in the community, 560 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,159 I want to recognize them. He wants to. 561 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,240 » Okay. Michelle, will you help us? 562 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,360 » That means you got to get the picture. 563 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,200 » That means you got to get the picture. 564 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:46,480 » I I know. [laughter] 565 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,440 » I'm fine with that. 566 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,960 » Hi. 567 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,960 » The building that did the major 568 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,840 » Major brought the rest of their 569 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840 building. 570 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,200 » We started early. 571 00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:09,080 » Oh, really? We started on time, but 572 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,080 I thought I was here early 573 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,080 picture. Thank you. 574 00:24:18,046 --> 00:24:20,066 [applause] 575 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,600 » Sorry, Sean. 576 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:33,520 » Not a problem. finance director's happy 577 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,786 to see the the logo going to good use on 578 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,786 the wall. [laughter] 579 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,799 I knew we'd use it and I'm glad we had 580 00:24:39,007 --> 00:24:42,960 [snorts] so council. One of the last 581 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,720 questions we received uh last week was 582 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,360 how might we utilize any additional 583 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,520 revenue gained uh through the proposed 584 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,679 tax rate. This is the slide from last 585 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,880 year and we've updated a little bit. uh 586 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:57,279 the proposed rate would bring in about 587 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,520 uh a million50 in additional revenue 588 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:02,080 based on what we had proposed it with 589 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,799 our our old rate. 590 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,559 Looking at uh the supplemental requests 591 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:09,919 uh there's a copy of this in your packet 592 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:12,080 as well. Uh there's uh park supplemental 593 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:14,240 requests are totaling a little over 1.4 594 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,159 million. Uh I will point out that some 595 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,279 of those uh can be done with the 596 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:20,880 parkland development and dedication. Uh 597 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,559 that is what we're including for the 598 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,200 parks board to determine and and 599 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,840 prioritize that uh for their projects. 600 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Uh but there is 1.4 in supplemental asks 601 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,919 from the parks department. Not a 602 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,799 problem. Uh maintenance has an 603 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:39,039 additional ask of 565 uh emergency 604 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:41,440 management 217 legal 50 and Stevenson uh 605 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:43,440 150. Uh some other things we might 606 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,200 consider if we were to raise that full 607 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,000 tax amount is plugging in some of the 608 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,799 money we reduced uh in previous years. 609 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:55,039 So reserve fund we had historically put 610 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:56,720 in uh 300,000 uh or 500,000 depending on 611 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,400 the year. We've reduced that the last 612 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,120 couple years and so that would be 613 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,360 putting in uh that additional money for 614 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,279 those years just backfilling what we 615 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,679 reduced uh historically. Same for the 616 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:10,159 capital reserve. Uh we we've reduced it 617 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:11,840 over the last two years by 300,000. You 618 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:14,559 could plug that back into the capital 619 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,640 reserve and reserve fund balance. Uh 620 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,320 both of which again strong reserve fund. 621 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,200 Now, we always want to keep it healthy 622 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,799 and growing. I believe it's got uh the 623 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:27,120 last time I looked, it had, I believe, 624 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,880 40 to 50 days worth of reserve balance 625 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,720 in there for the general fund. So, good 626 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,559 strong fund balance. Not quite the 90 627 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,880 days some cities have, but way more than 628 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,520 the 30 days uh the is the minimum 629 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,240 recommendation. So, there is the ability 630 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,080 to utilize that funding this year and 631 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,159 prepare for future years when we may 632 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,840 receive uh less income but have more 633 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:47,840 projects coming in. 634 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:54,559 Last question we received is 635 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,440 » Can I ask back up for a second? So when 636 00:26:54,559 --> 00:27:00,080 you're saying that that additional 637 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,453 million could go towards these things, 638 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,320 are you saying that we haven't allocated 639 00:27:02,453 --> 00:27:05,039 [clears throat] that additional million 640 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,799 yet? 641 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,720 » We have not allocated that additional 642 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,159 million. No, not in the b in the budget 643 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,679 you have in front of you in your packet. 644 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:14,960 You'll see that the fund balance went to 645 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:17,440 over a million. It includes uh the 646 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,000 additional revenue here but we have not 647 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,679 uh assigned any expenditures against 648 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000 that additional million 649 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:26,960 » But that's only if we adopt a 650 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,679 » Only if we adopt that rate. Yes ma'am 651 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,640 » And that that rate could stay what it is 652 00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:34,880 » Full higher rate that recognizes the 653 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,679 full amount possible that council could 654 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,679 raise the tax on. 655 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:46,240 » Okay. refresh us next 656 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:49,520 meeting what it will be if we stay at 657 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,200 where we are right now. If you look, 658 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,200 » You can put that. Yeah. 659 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:57,679 » On the first page of uh the amendments 660 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,880 uh is the general fund. Uh that line 661 00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:04,880 item adorum that 5,134 662 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,440 is the revenue raised on our 2026 663 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,720 appraised values with our current tax 664 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,320 rate. And that at the moment is or that 665 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,320 before this budget that you have in 666 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,159 front of you now was what the budget was 667 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,360 built on and I think had a couple 668 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:22,240 hundred thousand going into FY28 669 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,840 after the end of FY27, but it did reduce 670 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,919 some of these line items that we talked 671 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,960 about. 672 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:29,960 » An important number to look at. 673 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,399 » And then some information uh was 674 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,159 requested on why the tax rate might have 675 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:38,080 been calculated as high as it was. 676 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,600 Again, thank you to Payton uh who worked 677 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,279 at the tax office and has a better 678 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,679 understanding of all the ins and outs of 679 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:46,399 that 680 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:50,159 1820 page form with numbers going in and 681 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:52,159 out of it, but essentially our 682 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:55,760 assessed values, our appraised values 683 00:28:52,159 --> 00:29:00,080 went up, our adjusted assessed values 684 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,919 went down. Uh people were 685 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,919 fighting their their raises in their 686 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:06,880 property values and so some of that came 687 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:09,279 down. We issued some debt that we uh put 688 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,279 our property tax value towards. So that 689 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:14,960 brought that number down. There was 690 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:17,440 about uh it looks like 275 million in 691 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:21,120 our adjusted value that went down just 692 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,279 based on losses in properties uh 693 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,640 adjustments and just different things 694 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,399 that changed throughout the year. 695 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Another thing that we did was increased 696 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:33,679 our TUR footprint. So in 697 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:36,799 late 23 24 our TUR footprint increased 698 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:40,159 and we added additional uh properties 699 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,919 into our TUR one. Uh you'll see a map of 700 00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:44,080 that when we discuss TUR that also 701 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:46,480 contributed to that loss in assessed 702 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,960 value. Again appraised value went up but 703 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,640 our adjusted assessed values went down 704 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,480 and that's what allowed that tax rate to 705 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,480 be uh at the 27 cent rate. 706 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:03,919 Moving on council to uh TUR funds. As I 707 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:07,760 mentioned, this is uh the map area of 708 00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:11,039 our uh TUR properties. Uh 709 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,060 TUR two there is in green. No, actually 710 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,320 they are all in green. The 711 00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:15,919 [clears throat] green is the original 712 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,600 properties. The yellow are the new 713 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:20,559 properties. I will point out that 714 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,880 doublel or anarine is a part of the TUR. 715 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,880 It is not in the city limits. So the 716 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,880 assessed and appraised values on those 717 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,840 properties are not a part of our tax 718 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,440 role and did not uh contribute to any of 719 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,679 the tax rate information that we just 720 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,120 went over. However, Village Grove Canon 721 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:37,120 and the others were added. Those 722 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,720 browsers were brought into the TUR and 723 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,480 were a part of that calculation as well. 724 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,480 But just wanted to give council the most 725 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,559 up-to-date map that we have of our TUR 726 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,600 properties as we begin the discussion. 727 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:49,200 » But just to clarify that says yellow is 728 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,360 possible expansion. 729 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,279 » This is the latest map I have. We've 730 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,159 expanded these are our properties. They 731 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,159 are our properties. 732 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,799 » And I I was looking at all the 733 00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:58,799 information I had. 734 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:02,320 » I just want to make sure cuz I was 735 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:03,840 » They possible. So I'll work uh with who 736 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,320 put the maps together for us. Get that 737 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,919 to say all of the TUR areas. 738 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,840 » Okay. Just for the public to know, can 739 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:15,120 you explain TUR? 740 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,080 » Yes. So TUR and if I if I say it wrong, 741 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,039 I apologize. tax 742 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,679 » Investment 743 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,320 » Increment 744 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:25,520 » Increment reinvestment zone essentially 745 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:30,720 if you are a property owner in a in any 746 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:33,520 of our tur boundaries 50% of your 747 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,919 property tax goes to the city and 50% 748 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,720 goes directly to the tur and is spent 749 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:41,200 directly in the tur a lot of times this 750 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,760 is used uh as a development tool the 751 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,559 city is using it as a way as an economic 752 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:50,240 driver as well so our old fits you code 753 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:51,919 that is being funded through that 50% of 754 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,919 the TUR value that came on those 755 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:56,559 properties that was in TUR one. So, it's 756 00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:58,799 not raising an an additional tax uh for 757 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:01,279 those TUR properties. It's taking what 758 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:03,120 we've already assessed and specifically 759 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,240 putting it towards certain projects 760 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,880 within that boundary. 761 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,600 » And to clarify, I don't think it's 5050. 762 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,840 I think it's 50 of the increase. 763 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,080 » Of the increase. Yes. So from the year 764 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,559 that it was put in whatever that amount 765 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,519 is as it increases half of it goes to 766 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,279 general fund half of it. 767 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,679 » So every year when we're looking at our 768 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,320 assessed values uh we take 769 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:26,559 hypothetically say that year one of the 770 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,559 tur the assessed values were $10 771 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:33,919 million. Year two it was 30 million. We 772 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,960 take 50% of that increase of the 20 773 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:39,519 million not of the full 30. So all the 774 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,159 value gained since the TUR was created, 775 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,399 it's 50% of that that gets put back into 776 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:47,640 the TUR and is spent back into the TUR 777 00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:47,640 for development. 778 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,480 I just wanted to uh show this is what uh 779 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,279 Keenan our uh TUR uh project manager 780 00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,240 puts together for the TUR board. This is 781 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:02,399 all of the TUR's priority projects uh 782 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,320 and the funding mechanisms based on any 783 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:07,440 contracts or future agreements that we 784 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,000 have coming up. This looks at the TUR as 785 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,120 a whole. It looks uh it's presented to 786 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,519 the TUR board as a full expenditure of 787 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,200 the TUR whereas at the council level we 788 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:23,279 break it into TUR one and TUR two. We do 789 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,600 that uh based on the percentage uh of so 790 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:28,399 in tur one you could have the town 791 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,960 center is primarily located in tur one 792 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:33,200 so 75% of it is funded through tur one 793 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,679 but it has a benefit beneficial use to 794 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,320 tur 2 so a portion of it can also be 795 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:40,720 paid out of of tur 2 we've taken those 796 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,600 percentage of splits and we've applied 797 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,320 it uh to the information Keenan provided 798 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,399 to the board and for the city's 799 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,480 standpoint we broke that down based on 800 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:52,480 those calculations. So these numbers are 801 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,960 what you will see in the future slides 802 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,159 for TUR one and two over there on the 803 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:02,399 right hand side. Uh that is that total 804 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:05,200 amount breakdown by these percentages. 805 00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:07,120 And so looking at TERS one uh you can 806 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,839 see there the city and county uh 807 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,159 revenues are the primary revenue sources 808 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:14,639 for this. Uh we get interest income on 809 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,879 it as well. Uh but expenses are 810 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,960 primarily related around the projects. 811 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:21,119 Uh we do have project management and 812 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,679 administration fees and legal fees. 813 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:26,639 Project management is uh Kenan Smith 814 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,960 with City Lights Design. He he's spoken 815 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,200 to council many times on the progress of 816 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,879 our projects. He also keeps track of it 817 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,480 for us uh on that end. Keeps uh invoices 818 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:38,480 going straight, contractors working 819 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,320 together on all that. But uh we are 820 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,280 charged a fee for that and we split that 821 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,720 amongst the two uh tur uh project 822 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,119 administration is P3. So when we 823 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:51,520 developed the TURS uh there were 824 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:54,399 assessed values that were assigned there 825 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:58,160 were anticipated revenues to be earned. 826 00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:00,880 P3 is essentially 827 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,320 kind of like our CPA for the TURS is an 828 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,680 easy way to describe it. They look at 829 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,359 the money coming in. They look at the 830 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,760 money going out and quarterly they give 831 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:10,160 the TUR a report. uh anytime we're 832 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,079 looking to add new properties or adjust 833 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,079 projects and scopes, uh they're looking 834 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:16,400 on that to see how it might affect the 835 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,839 TUR's overall budget and impact the TUR. 836 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520 So, we've got project management, 837 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:21,119 administration, and then uh a little bit 838 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,200 of legal fees in there. We do have an 839 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:26,800 attorney that works uh for us. Used to 840 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,720 be an in-house attorney. Uh our city 841 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160 attorney, Laura, went to work for a 842 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,079 private company, maintained as our 843 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,000 deputy, but we are charged a slight fee 844 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,440 for that. Uh but the expertise was 845 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,960 there. So, just looking to keep that. 846 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,359 But you can see the charges annually are 847 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,280 are nominal. Uh when we get into the 848 00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:43,680 projects, again, as we discussed, we've 849 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,560 got the town center. Uh that's a project 850 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,520 we keep on the books in case we find uh 851 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,800 a piece of land or a site that we would 852 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,800 like to investigate uh as possibly being 853 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,320 the location of our TUR property. The 854 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520 TUR board keeps a little bit of funding 855 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,079 in there should we need to do any 856 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,920 assessments on that. Hasn't been spent 857 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,440 in the last couple years. Uh but it is 858 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,160 there should we find one we need to go 859 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,400 look at. Uh old Fitchy Road again is a a 860 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,800 major project about to kick off. You'll 861 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,839 see that it's red. Uh one of the notes 862 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:18,320 uh in your adjustments we had 60 863 00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:21,839 around4ome,000 in there depending on the 864 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:24,560 split. The old Fitzy Road project, we 865 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:26,800 have that funded out of our debt service 866 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,640 25 fund. Uh if you remember when we 867 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,320 presented that we broke down all those 868 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,119 projects that were being debt funded 869 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,280 through that the the money that was 870 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:37,839 included in the TUR was for construction 871 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,520 administration through HDR since it's 872 00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,520 directly related to the construction 873 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,800 project it's covered through we're 874 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,119 putting it as a part of that 875 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,240 construction project it's not 876 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,880 necessarily being covered by debt funds 877 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,440 uh our postack proceeds that we received 878 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,119 towards the old fitue project a portion 879 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,880 of that can be used for that contract 880 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,040 administ administration. So we'll show 881 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,560 that those postsec funds as a revenue 882 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,000 line item in the debt 25 fund which is 883 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,000 why you're seeing that that line item 884 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,960 was reduced uh in this one and 885 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,480 subsequently in the TUR 2 account. 886 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,400 Again a little bit on on downtown 887 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,240 parking and Stevenson. These are just uh 888 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,760 engineering costs or project management 889 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,480 cost to keep those projects rolling 890 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,880 forward or to to wrap them up. Uh 891 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,200 downtown master plan. Uh this one's one 892 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,000 that was increased. You previous line 893 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,160 item had it at $220,000. This has got it 894 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,079 at 352. 895 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,560 The reason for the change is the TUR 896 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,440 board asked uh Chad Gilpin who helped 897 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,560 put together the the plan to look at a 898 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:43,119 different phasing. So this phase 899 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,040 includes all of the Mercer area uh north 900 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,200 and gets all the streets that we are 901 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:51,280 looking at downtown drainage, sidewalks, 902 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,599 roads to develop uh to a 30% design. Uh 903 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,280 after that we'll look 904 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,119 are we ready to start with the project 905 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,240 take it to 100 and look at debt funding 906 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,960 or or supporting a project. But this 30% 907 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,960 helps us identify underground utilities, 908 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800 any right-of-way issues, any things that 909 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,960 may cause headaches as we continue to 910 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,280 design or go to construction. A turb 911 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,240 board wanted to at least have as much 912 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,640 information as possible with that 30% uh 913 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,920 design on those projects so we would 914 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,359 know if we were going to run into any 915 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,960 headaches. So when we looked at 916 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:24,400 financing it any either the uh the 100% 917 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,839 completion of the plans and 918 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,320 construction, we weren't getting 919 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:30,480 ourselves into any unknown waters. 920 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,440 That's just the Mercer district. 921 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,040 » That's just the Mercer district. 922 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,960 » That's what they opted to recommend. 923 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,440 » It does not. Uh we had originally looked 924 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,680 at what it would take to take the Mercer 925 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,880 and the Hayes districts of our historic 926 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,839 districts up to to 30% even farther than 927 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,079 that. Uh based on revenue availability 928 00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:51,200 and project scope and timing, they 929 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:52,720 settled on the 30% for the Mercer. 930 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,920 Again, they're also taking into 931 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,920 consideration there's going to be 932 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,839 texttop projects in that area. All of 933 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,000 that will be included as a part of that 934 00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:02,640 30% design. 935 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,079 Uh looking at the library, previously 936 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,119 this was at zero. Uh the library is 937 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:13,040 included as a bit of a stop gap measure 938 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:15,200 as they are working to uh get approved 939 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,160 financing uh for the debt issuance for 940 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,720 the construction of their project. This 941 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:24,240 is something that will help them get 942 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:26,240 over the hump as they are working with 943 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,160 their financial adviserss and the banks 944 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,760 for the amount that they can debt fund 945 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,560 versus the amount they need for the 946 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,880 project. So at the moment uh I'm working 947 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,480 with uh the financial adviserss of the 948 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,680 county, the library and our own 949 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,680 financial adviserss along with P3 uh to 950 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,240 look at options 951 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,000 feasibility for the city county being 952 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,920 able to provide some funding to the 953 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,240 library for that kind of stop gap 954 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,640 measure. Uh when it's being discussed at 955 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,560 the TUR, it's also being discussed that 956 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,400 this could be funded through the TUR 957 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,160 through the anarine proceeds that we'll 958 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,560 eventually receive. Again, as I 959 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,800 mentioned before, none of that is city 960 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,800 funding. It's all county funding. Uh, 961 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,359 and so that funding is what we will be 962 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,599 looking at to offset any library 963 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:11,440 contributions. Uh, again, that's part of 964 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,520 the reason we're working with P3 to make 965 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,440 sure we know when those assessments will 966 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,599 come in, when we might get paid on that 967 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,440 so that we're not, you know, too far out 968 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,599 over our skis and neither is the county. 969 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,400 But, uh, looking into that, uh, at the 970 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:25,920 moment, again, it is not anticipated 971 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,520 that that is a check written to the 972 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,520 library. It is again kind of a drawdown 973 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,760 as needed based on any recommendations 974 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,359 we include in an ILA. There would be 975 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,320 standards and guidelines that everybody 976 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:39,599 would have to follow. Uh once we begin 977 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,119 working on that, we'll have more to 978 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,160 present to council and get further 979 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,000 direction from y'all and what y'all 980 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,240 might like to us to include in that. But 981 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,920 this was just uh the TUR board's way of 982 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,240 saying we haven't forgotten about the 983 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,640 library. We've got a funding source for 984 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,880 it. We didn't want anybody to think we'd 985 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,000 forgotten about it. 986 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,560 And to be so I understand completely, 987 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,760 we've allocated a quarter million 988 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,640 dollars next year. That doesn't 989 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,319 necessarily roll over to the next year 990 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,400 and suddenly we're going to allocate 991 00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:12,640 500,000 if they haven't done anything. 992 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,640 Is that correct? What the TUR board's 993 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,520 proposed is we allocated 500,000 in FY26 994 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,760 is to maintain that in like a capital 995 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,040 reserve or or a library reserve. That 996 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:28,079 full 500 split between the two tur and 997 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,800 the additional 750 as well. So it's 998 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:33,040 comes out to a little over a million250 999 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,520 total is what the TUR board's proposing 1000 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,200 for the end of FY27. The one thing I 1001 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,839 think that's a little bit confusing is 1002 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,960 they because it's broken down into TUR 1003 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:44,079 one and TUR two, you have to add 1004 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,680 » Yes. You're you're adding 1005 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:48,240 » In order to see the total being 1006 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:52,160 recommended. It might be helpful to give 1007 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:54,560 everybody the consolidated numbers. 1008 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,280 » Yeah. So the library for this year, you 1009 00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,359 can see uh there at the bottom it had 20 1010 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,480 uh 6 at 500,000 and 27 at 750. That's 1011 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:06,800 not that 750 is not made up of a portion 1012 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,960 of that 500. It is an addition to that 1013 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,000 500 at least the recommendation of the 1014 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,640 TUR board. 1015 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,560 » And and y'all I apologize. I missed the 1016 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,960 meeting yesterday, but I gave them my 1017 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,200 input in advance of the meeting. So what 1018 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,920 I'm hearing you say is they want to make 1019 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,079 the 750 allocation with the 1020 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,200 understanding that it's sort of 1021 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:29,680 asterisked for what is the need. What 1022 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,760 does the ILA say? We're not actually 1023 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,160 distributing anything. We're just doing 1024 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,160 a set aside so we know the money's there 1025 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,400 and can be used if an agreement is 1026 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,720 reached down the road. Right. 1027 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,960 » This is budgeting for anticipation of 1028 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,960 the future ILA when the library might 1029 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,520 anticipate drawing down once it's 1030 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,520 approved once their project gets further 1031 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,960 along and they have things that might be 1032 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,960 utilized to draw that down. 1033 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,359 » So, it's not a commitment to give it to 1034 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,760 them. The 500 we've committed because 1035 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,960 that was this year's money that we 1036 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,800 approved last year. 1037 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,359 » We budgeted for it uh in our 1038 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,520 conversations with the library uh at the 1039 00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:07,680 time and currently is that won't be 1040 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,599 distributed unless there's an ILA. So 1041 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,240 right now it's budgeted, it's funded, 1042 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,040 there is no expenditure 1043 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,520 » On the books for it until an ILA is is 1044 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,160 worked out. 1045 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,960 » So there would be a total of 1.25 set 1046 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,839 aside potentially for the library at the 1047 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,599 end of next year. 1048 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:26,240 » Yes, ma'am. 1049 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,800 This [snorts] is all based on an ILA 1050 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:31,280 being done this this money and I 1051 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,800 understand that completely. 1052 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,599 If 1053 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,680 what's the for lack of a better word the 1054 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,200 drop dead point? We can't just keep 1055 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:43,920 setting aside money without an ILA. If 1056 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,720 the ILA doesn't happen next year, where 1057 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,640 are we? So, uh, working with, uh, 1058 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:50,319 working with Commissioner Smith, uh, 1059 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,800 it's our goal to try to have the ILA 1060 00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:54,160 done as or at least the draft of the ILA 1061 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,760 start to be completed hopefully in 1062 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,599 October. Uh, we've started meeting with 1063 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,839 the financial adviserss now just to get 1064 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,359 the ins and outs of what that ILA might 1065 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:03,040 include. 1066 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,880 If there's any landmines we're not 1067 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,040 seeing that we need to be anticipating, 1068 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,200 just so all three parties are 1069 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,359 comfortable with it, uh, but yeah, it's 1070 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,760 not expected to be utilized unless there 1071 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:16,480 is an ILA. 1072 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,200 So what I had suggested mayor to the 1073 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,960 board was that rather than putting in a 1074 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,960 number they tell us how much they felt 1075 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,119 like there was room in the budget to 1076 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,920 contribute but not actually put in a 1077 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:32,079 number. I think their decision to put in 1078 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,160 a number is just an indication of the 1079 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,360 the tur board's strong interest in 1080 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,160 supporting the library and perhaps 1081 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,160 [clears throat] helping the library in 1082 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,760 their conversations that they're having 1083 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,280 that they're going to get back to us on. 1084 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,359 I wasn't at that meeting. I don't know 1085 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,680 exactly how it went, but the fact that 1086 00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:49,520 they put a number in tells me they're 1087 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,000 they're both wanting to communicate to 1088 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,079 us what they think is available, but 1089 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,839 also acknowledge that it's not a 1090 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,280 commitment. It will be dependent on a 1091 00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:01,599 future agreement and at at some point we 1092 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,280 could next year. I think it's ambitious 1093 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:06,160 to think we're going to get an ILA done 1094 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:09,280 in a couple of months personally um or 1095 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,000 even before the end of um Commissioner 1096 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,920 Smith's term. I don't know. But that is 1097 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,240 a a goal. That is something we're 1098 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,720 working towards. And I I think that if 1099 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:21,040 we were to go back next year and say 1100 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,040 there is no ILA, we don't know exactly 1101 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,760 what the library needs. We need to use 1102 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,720 this money for other things. That would 1103 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,520 be this body's ability to say we need to 1104 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,880 use that money. 1105 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,920 » That's what I want to be clear about. 1106 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,520 » Is that fair to say? 1107 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,720 » Yes. I just want to be clear because 1108 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,040 » We are limiting our taxing ability by 1109 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:44,560 how we're dedicating this money. And at 1110 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:47,119 some point, TUR will need to spend 1111 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,760 money, pull the trigger. And if the 1112 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,240 library doesn't move, there needs to be 1113 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,920 something to push them along to get it 1114 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,560 done. So, I just want to be clear, we're 1115 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,079 willing to support it and allocate a 1116 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,800 good bit of money, but we've got to see 1117 00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:03,520 some movement. It's calling. One one of 1118 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,720 the things uh building off of uh mayor 1119 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,599 pro Tim Manassian's conversation there 1120 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:11,839 uh two tur meetings ago that we were 1121 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,160 looking at what can we afford what can 1122 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:16,079 we do one of the things we worked on uh 1123 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,839 last week with the budget subcommittee 1124 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,160 was plugging all these things in and 1125 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:24,880 seeing where our fund balance went uh if 1126 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:27,119 you look in uh actually I can go to here 1127 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,839 if you look at the TUR one I'll use it 1128 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,920 as the first example uh you'll See, we 1129 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:34,560 got the library in there. We also added 1130 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,920 that last line item of a fund balance 1131 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:40,880 reserve. When the TUR 1132 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,200 discussed taking on debt for its 1133 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,960 priority projects, Old Fitu Stevenson, 1134 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,520 the parking lot, it did so at a 75%. it 1135 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,359 said we can cover 75% of it right now, 1136 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,560 but we also need to make sure that we 1137 00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:57,040 set aside an annual debt payment so that 1138 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,400 we're not artificially or are shooting 1139 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,400 ourselves in the foot that we don't have 1140 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,160 funding. Uh when we were talking about 1141 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,200 the library and other things that the 1142 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,119 tur might uh be able to afford uh this 1143 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,280 year and in subsequent years with the 1144 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:11,040 fiscal forecast, they asked that we plug 1145 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,839 that fund balance reserve in there so 1146 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,760 that the budget now reflects the balance 1147 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,680 forward at the end of the fiscal year is 1148 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,839 available funding for whatever projects 1149 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,079 the TUR would like to spend it on. It's 1150 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:25,040 already accounted for any reserves the 1151 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:28,079 TUR board wanted to to hold. And so that 1152 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,240 652 in TUR one is completely 1153 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,560 unencumbered. Whatever council or the 1154 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:34,960 TUR board might uh vote to to utilize 1155 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,640 that for it is available. So that's a 1156 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,000 little bit of a change from the original 1157 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,680 discussion uh that we had uh the first 1158 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,440 time where we were just looking at the 1159 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040 fiscal forecast. Now we've actually 1160 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,480 plugged it in and this represents so 1161 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,040 they were comfortable with plugging the 1162 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,000 375 in because it didn't give them any 1163 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:55,599 negative uh fund balance. It's 1164 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,680 » So the cushion is the library money plus 1165 00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,680 » What's in those reserve lines. 1166 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,800 » Okay. 1167 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,160 » Uh thank you. 1168 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,319 » TUR two again almost the same as TUR one 1169 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,319 just different splits and percentages. 1170 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:10,720 Uh but you can see there old Fitzu uh 1171 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,200 road was reduced zero. You still have 1172 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:15,680 the same 352 for the downtown master 1173 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,520 plan and the library. Uh the difference 1174 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,640 the big difference here is the 1175 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,839 allocation of the 2025 payment and that 1176 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,280 fund balance reserve is at 207 whereas 1177 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:30,000 for TUR one it was at 366. That reserve 1178 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,280 again is based on the project split in 1179 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,520 that TUR. So old Fitzu road a pretty 1180 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,559 major project gets split between TUR one 1181 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,559 and two and so does the debt payment on 1182 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,079 that as well. And so that's why those 1183 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,160 numbers are different there. But you see 1184 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:46,480 that we've got that next year's debt 1185 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,559 payment already reserved so that at the 1186 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,400 end of FY27 1187 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,839 uh the TUR board and council can be 1188 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,240 comfortable with. We've got a little 1189 00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:57,880 over $3 million unencumbered that we can 1190 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,880 utilize for our projects. 1191 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,119 Council happy to answer any questions on 1192 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:07,240 the TUR or provide any further feedback 1193 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,240 on anything y'all might like. 1194 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,920 questions. Council, 1195 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:20,240 » I think it would be helpful for just for 1196 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,640 their information, the same information 1197 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:27,520 we were given as to what the Mercer 1198 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:30,400 drainage costs would be, 30% design, 1199 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,559 execution. I would like that included. 1200 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,240 Um, I know we don't have another budget 1201 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,400 workshop, but if we could add that to 1202 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,680 your list of questions from this one so 1203 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,319 they can see 1204 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,480 » What what is to come expense wise. on 1205 00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:43,920 that one. Yeah. Uh Chad, our city 1206 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,200 engineer, worked with Keenan and they 1207 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,480 they broke all that out and had 1208 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,680 presented it to the tourist board. So, 1209 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,839 we'll provide that presentation to 1210 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,319 council. I'll again kind of see how the 1211 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:54,319 sausage was made on this budget. 1212 00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:57,440 » And again, understanding that spending 1213 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:59,280 the 30% design doesn't force us to 1214 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,280 immediately take the next step, but I 1215 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,920 want y'all to know what the future 1216 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,920 expense looks like. That was that was 1217 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,839 the major concern of the TUR board is we 1218 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,960 didn't want to do more than 30 and get 1219 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:13,359 into near construction if the TUR and 1220 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,680 council were not ready to look at 1221 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:17,359 issuing debt on any construction. That's 1222 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,800 not something we've proposed to council 1223 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:20,960 at the moment. So that's why we're 1224 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,359 capping it at that 30%. 1225 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,200 » Have we I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. 1226 00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:26,800 » No, I was going to change the topic. So 1227 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,359 » Okay. I would say, have we had a 1228 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:32,640 presentation to this body on that 1229 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:36,079 drainage work the way that Chad laid it 1230 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:39,119 out? I wonder if we should, since we're 1231 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:41,920 being asked to include it in the budget, 1232 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,440 um I think it might be helpful to have a 1233 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,839 presentation 1234 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,440 at least on the Mercer piece, but maybe 1235 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:52,480 even the big picture of all the options 1236 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,000 that the TUR board considered and then 1237 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,119 focused on the Mercer piece. We've 1238 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,640 already got the presentation. We can 1239 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,079 work with Chad to present that the next 1240 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,800 meeting 1241 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,640 » Recently. 1242 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,599 » No, I think we need to cuz two to three 1243 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040 weeks ago 1244 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,960 » We were going to do all that 1245 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,880 » Or get the dollars and 1246 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,119 » The dollar must right but I haven't seen 1247 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,280 it. So yeah, we need to see. 1248 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:12,800 » Yeah. And we may say yeah the dollars 1249 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,200 are big but we have reason to take it 1250 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,400 on. I don't think the clearly the TUR 1251 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,960 board was like I don't know if they're 1252 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,200 going to 1253 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,240 » I can tell you Mercer construction cost 1254 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,040 is total total design and construction 1255 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,880 for Mercer is right around 9 million. 1256 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,119 It's right around 9 or 10 million for 1257 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,480 the Hay Street as well construction and 1258 00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:33,040 and that 30% is included in that 9 to 10 1259 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,400 million. 1260 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,280 » Yeah, I would like to see more 1261 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,880 information coming weeks or so. 1262 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,359 » Uh so again we don't have any more 1263 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,920 scheduled workshops. Uh the 18th was the 1264 00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:46,400 last one we had. Uh the next meeting we 1265 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,480 have will be unless a special workshop 1266 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,160 is called uh will be September 1st and 1267 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,040 that's where we'll have our first uh 1268 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,359 workshop on the budget and the tax rate 1269 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,520 public hearings. Then on the 15th is 1270 00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:59,680 when we look to adopt. Quick question 1271 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,359 about going back to the beginning when 1272 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,280 you were answering the question that was 1273 00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:06,880 asked last um budget 1274 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,960 workshop whenever we were talking about 1275 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:13,359 the tax rate. Um if I'm looking at it 1276 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,160 correctly and again this is it just came 1277 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:17,839 on in May so I'm not sure the history so 1278 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,119 I might be interpreting it wrong but it 1279 00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:23,440 looks like we weren't using the 1280 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:25,839 advalorum tax rate to service debt 1281 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,640 before and now we are. 1282 00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:30,960 » Yeah. 2025 issuance is the first time 1283 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,920 we'd ever used Adalorum to service debt. 1284 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,319 Prior to that, it was all 1285 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,079 » Why did we do Why did we change that? 1286 00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:37,760 » There wasn't cash funding to support the 1287 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,079 projects. We did not have enough cash on 1288 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,040 hand for the 14 million that we took out 1289 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,800 in loans. Okay. 1290 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,280 » And we looked at doing all those 1291 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,640 projects kind of together right around 1292 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,200 the same time so that we weren't 1293 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,040 negatively impacting the downtown on 1294 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,480 three major separate occasions. 1295 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,359 » Okay. Thanks. Just needed to fill in 1296 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,839 that historic. 1297 00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:57,920 » Sorry about Yes. Yeah. Uh the 2025 1298 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:00,480 issuance was the first time uh and so 1299 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,119 the 2026 budget is the first budget that 1300 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,599 shows Avalor being used to to service 1301 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,480 debt. 1302 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,480 » Okay, makes sense. Thanks. 1303 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,400 » All right, no other questions. We'll 1304 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,640 move on to consent agenda. 1305 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,800 » Mayor, I think we have a be a star award 1306 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,119 recipient that that came in after the 1307 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,520 presentation. If we could acknowledge 1308 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,839 them and maybe take a photo with them. 1309 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,960 » Hello. 1310 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:25,680 » If that's okay. 1311 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,440 » Yeah. No, I didn't know. I thought y'all 1312 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,520 were here. I thought you were here on 1313 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,200 another item. So, come on up. 1314 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,760 » It's a wonderful budget presentation. I 1315 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,400 think 1316 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,760 » It's great. I learned a lot. 1317 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,240 » And we'll we'll email you the 1318 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,672 presentation we gave earlier on the 1319 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,359 awards. 1320 00:53:40,672 --> 00:53:43,040 [laughter] 1321 00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:47,000 » We'll email you the presentation from 1322 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,000 earlier. So, you have it 1323 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,440 » So who are they with? 1324 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,640 » Which project is this? 1325 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,880 » Uh DS Prep. 1326 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,480 » Nice. 1327 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,480 » DS Prep. Thank you. 1328 00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:02,920 Do you have a bedroom? 1329 00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:07,319 » Oh, 1330 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,720 » Wow. 1331 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,720 » That's crazy. 1332 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,319 » That lasted a good five minutes. 1333 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,280 Congratulations. 1334 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,920 » Went to the restroom. 1335 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,200 » Right. We're all here. Moving on to 1336 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:53,760 consent agenda. Items three, four, and 1337 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,200 five may be taken together or if anyone 1338 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,480 wishes to break one out, you're 1339 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,720 certainly welcome to. 1340 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,520 » Mayor, I'll move that we approve items 1341 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:05,520 three through five. 1342 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,200 » Second. Motion second. Any discussion? 1343 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,200 All those in favor? 1344 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,440 » I opposed. Item carries. At this time, 1345 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,760 we'll open a public hearing and have a 1346 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:20,280 discussion and possible action on a res 1347 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,280 on an ordinance regarding ZA2026-00001, 1348 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,880 an application for a zoning map 1349 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:28,000 amendment from single family attached 1350 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,960 residential district garden home within 1351 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,760 the historic district Hay Street 1352 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,599 historic district overlay to local 1353 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,160 retail with Hayes historic district 1354 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:41,440 overlay and a conditional overlay with 1355 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,960 LR HO for 200. 100 Bluff Street 1356 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,599 applicant presentation. 1357 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,800 » Mayor, I'm going to um recuse myself 1358 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,800 from this item. 1359 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,800 » Okay. 1360 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,440 » Who's doing the presentation? Sarah. 1361 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400 Who? 1362 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,200 » Okay. 1363 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,200 » You'll follow. Okay. 1364 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,520 » Yeah. We'll go through it. There's our 1365 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,520 clipper. Okay. 1366 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,960 Thank you for hearing us today. Um, my 1367 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,280 name is Jennifer Kilibru. I own Glow 1368 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,839 Medpa over on 12. We've been open for 1369 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,400 about six years. We do aesthetics, we do 1370 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:27,119 wellness, we do hormones. Um, part of 1371 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,079 our brand, we we're in a 194 we're in a 1372 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:32,640 1940s bungalow over there on Route 12. 1373 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,920 Part of Glow Medpa's brand has becoming 1374 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:38,000 mixing the old with the new. Um 200 1375 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,200 Bluff Street was on the market as a 1376 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,359 residential property. Um they could not 1377 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,480 sell it. Um a lot of it needs to be 1378 00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:49,359 redone. Um we saw this as an opportunity 1379 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,559 to bring some revenue to the property. 1380 00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:56,079 Um but also beautify it for it's we're 1381 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,680 in love with it. Um we feel like it is 1382 00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:00,079 going to be part of our brand as well 1383 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,400 and matches what we're doing. Um so we 1384 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:05,280 have put in a contract. It is 1385 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:09,040 conditional based on being approved for 1386 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:11,040 LR and where we're at. Um, so we do have 1387 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,280 to get reszoned in order for us to close 1388 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,359 on this property. So, we do find it to 1389 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,160 be important. Um, if you guys have seen 1390 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:21,119 this property, [snorts] it needs money 1391 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,839 running into it. It needs revenue and we 1392 00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:26,319 are here to help do that. Um, Jeremy and 1393 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:27,920 I own small businesses here in Dripping 1394 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:29,920 Springs. We have four kids in the high 1395 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,760 school. Our home is here. where our 1396 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,480 forever home is being built right now in 1397 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,319 Dripping Springs. The community is very 1398 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,720 important to us. We give back to the 1399 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:41,200 community. We give fundraising dollars. 1400 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,280 We give money for sports. I have interns 1401 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,119 every semester. We have deep roots in 1402 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,799 this community. So, I'm happy for you 1403 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,680 guys to hear this project and we are 1404 00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:53,680 just as invested in this doing well and 1405 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,599 being good for the city. Also, 1406 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,200 um here is Russell. 1407 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,040 » Thank you, Jimmy. 1408 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,119 » Hi, good evening. Russell Collins. I'm 1409 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,040 the owner of Resolve Designs. Uh we're 1410 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:06,319 commercial real estate and uh 1411 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,559 architecture development here locally uh 1412 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:10,880 locally here in in Dripping Springs. So, 1413 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:14,000 a few of y'all know my faces and it's 1414 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,599 good to see you all again. Um so, we're 1415 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,760 just going to jump right into the 1416 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,760 presentation here. Um [clears throat] 1417 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,319 » Excuse me, Russell. 1418 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,640 » Yes, 1419 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,720 » That's a Crosswell residence. 1420 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,839 » Jony's That's Joany's old residence. 1421 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,200 That's correct. this cross 1422 00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:30,880 » Except for I saw the picture if I saw 1423 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,680 the picture. 1424 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,400 All right. Thank you. 1425 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,880 » Yes, sir. Thank you, Travis. Uh, so as 1426 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:40,720 Jenny stated, so it it had it was on the 1427 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,400 market and um she and and Jeremy are um 1428 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,240 very very interested in the acquisition 1429 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,000 of the asset. 1430 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:49,200 Um and so what we're [clears throat] 1431 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:53,119 presenting today tonight is essentially 1432 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,960 the um the the the amended zoning of 1433 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:58,640 this particular asset. It's it's 1434 00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:02,400 currently in the SF5 uh zoning. And so 1435 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:05,440 as as Jenny would like to um run the 1436 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,760 business operations of a a well med spa 1437 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,359 at the location, as she stated earlier, 1438 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,240 it it already really does have 1439 00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:15,440 precedence as being a a doctor's house, 1440 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,680 multiple doctor's houses. So, it only 1441 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,240 kind of bring backs uh brings brings 1442 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:24,160 back that um that operations and also 1443 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:27,720 here locally uh in in the Hayes uh uh 1444 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,720 historic district. 1445 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,480 Did shall I go through all this for them 1446 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,359 or they pretty much got it? 1447 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,880 » Okay. 1448 00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,440 » Whatever 1449 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,359 whatever you would like to present. 1450 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,720 » Oh, okay. 1451 00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:44,960 So, we're going to take it from the top, 1452 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,720 aren't we? Uh okay. So, we we we see 1453 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,880 that it's in the historic uh Hayes 1454 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,520 district. Um 1455 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:55,280 um our our team our our city has gone 1456 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,359 out to um uh to a third party uh 1457 00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,319 historic preservation committee and 1458 00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:02,720 created a wonderful uh uh pallet of all 1459 01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:06,000 the different um historic buildings that 1460 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:08,559 are in our our city. Um this particular 1461 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,400 one is one of the highest uh well-known 1462 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,400 historic buildings uh all throughout 1463 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,480 Dripping. And and again, as stated, it 1464 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,280 was a it was an old doctor's house. Uh 1465 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:20,400 originally built in 1883. Um some of the 1466 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,240 additions were in 1905. Um and just 1467 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,760 recently, uh there's been a couple of 1468 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:27,599 smaller additions to it. Um so 1469 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,680 it sits at the uh at the corner 1470 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:31,839 intersection of Hay Street and Bluff 1471 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,640 Street. 1472 01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:38,400 Um, part of the reasonzoning or the the 1473 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:41,599 amended zoning ask is to join like 1474 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:45,520 like-minded businesses and and to bring 1475 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:47,839 not not just um economic value uh to 1476 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,160 back to our city in this direction uh 1477 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:53,440 but to also join other businesses that 1478 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:56,559 are that are um here in this in this 1479 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,480 district. So above to our north is uh 1480 01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:01,280 our are three different uh design 1481 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:04,160 businesses. Um and then of course time 1482 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:07,200 and do and pigpen who are commercial uh 1483 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:09,839 commercial services CS. Um immediately 1484 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:13,839 to the east of the parcel is a wedding 1485 01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:15,680 rental um plus also a uh an an Airbnb. 1486 01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:20,079 And then immediately south is Dripping 1487 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:22,452 Springs uh HVAC company uh a small um uh 1488 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,472 small business. 1489 01:01:22,452 --> 01:01:24,472 [clears throat] 1490 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:30,720 Okay. 1491 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,720 Take a break. 1492 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,839 So the original concept design 1493 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,079 was to essentially 1494 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:41,839 uh bring bring back the glory is is 1495 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,280 essentially to bring back the glory uh 1496 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:48,960 of the 1883 homestead. Um and then also 1497 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,920 to elevate uh her her her wraparound 1498 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:55,280 services. Um and and with with Jenny and 1499 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:58,559 Jennifer uh their program is is to 1500 01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:02,720 introduce a wellness component. um plus 1501 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:06,992 uh a medical um spa uh resort say a 1502 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,799 resort medical location here. So alto 1503 01:02:06,992 --> 01:02:11,520 [clears throat] together um doing the 1504 01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:16,240 the master site concept um would would 1505 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:19,359 to bring would bring the pool um is and 1506 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:22,000 uh label M and then also a terrace plus 1507 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:25,040 uh some small cabanas to associate with 1508 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:29,119 the pool. Letter C is the original uh 1509 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:31,599 200 bluff. Uh letter F jumping to the uh 1510 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:33,520 southwest corner. Letter F uh is 1511 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:36,559 essentially the old Sistn is a stone 1512 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:39,599 sister and our intention is to uh rehab 1513 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:42,960 it and make it into a salt cave um uh 1514 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:45,680 for for part of her wellness program. Um 1515 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:49,040 letter E's and G's are small newer 1516 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:51,280 buildouts. Uh G would be a small um uh 1517 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:54,160 dry infrared sauna house and then letter 1518 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:57,280 E is a small um just two unisex 1519 01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:00,480 bathrooms to for changing. Letter I is a 1520 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:04,480 small cabana uh that would serve um 1521 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:06,559 fresh frozen drinks um appertifs um 1522 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,440 whatever Jenny feels that her customers 1523 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:12,720 would like uh near the pool. Um, and 1524 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:15,119 then letter B currently is uh in this 1525 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,400 particular concept was where the ADA and 1526 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:20,720 and compliance uh originally was going 1527 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,559 to be located, but we're now current 1528 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,280 we're now moving it to letter D, which 1529 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:28,319 is at the south of the parcel. Um, and 1530 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:32,359 then letter N uh is basically a nice 1531 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:32,359 sitting area there. 1532 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,880 the new concept after after going 1533 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:39,599 through planning and zoning and and 1534 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:43,039 receiving some really great feedback um 1535 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:45,920 plus also uh city uh or that is public 1536 01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:48,559 comments and neighborhood comments uh 1537 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:51,760 were that most people were were 1538 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:54,880 requesting that um more vehicles be 1539 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:57,039 parked on site. Um and so we've gone 1540 01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,160 back quickly to the drawing board uh 1541 01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:02,240 made some highle revisions and uh as we 1542 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,880 were quantifying the amount of parking 1543 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,599 spaces to the parking ratio uh we know 1544 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:11,440 that we're supposed to be hitting at 16. 1545 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:14,319 This particular concept is is at 15. Um, 1546 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,680 and so we would be looking at uh a 1547 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:18,880 simple variance with one of our 1548 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,480 neighbors neighbors plural uh to have an 1549 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,960 additional 1550 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,760 one if not maybe four to five other 1551 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:29,520 ones. Um, Jenny's done a great job uh 1552 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:32,079 about receiving letters of of of um of 1553 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:35,599 support from Carrie Lynn Design and then 1554 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:37,920 also from um from Danielle Keem Design. 1555 01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:40,559 They were our north partners uh there at 1556 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:44,160 2011 Bluff [clears throat] or I'm sorry 1557 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:48,079 it was 102 Bluff. I I got the addresses 1558 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:50,079 up upside down. So um 1559 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,760 » Oh and then and then Pigpen also uh 1560 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,039 chimed in as well and said that they 1561 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,240 would be interested um in serving as as 1562 01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:00,799 a as a uh additional alternate parking. 1563 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:04,240 So what we've done as as the master site 1564 01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:08,799 plan is we've actually given square 1565 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:11,520 footage uh to to the parking um 1566 01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:14,799 resolution here. So we're essentially 1567 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,640 given a 7 foot6 by 1568 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:20,160 al albeit it's cut off by the label by 1569 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,400 about 104. So roughly 9 900 ft on the 1570 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:26,400 north side of the parcel and then on the 1571 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:28,799 east side of the parcel um another 4 to 1572 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:33,039 500 square ft. So altogether about 1573 01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:36,000 14-500 square ft dedicated for um new 1574 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:38,720 sidewalks that uh ties in with the with 1575 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,440 the master plan concept um that was 1576 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,599 shared with us earlier. Um so we'd love 1577 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,920 to tie in the sidewalks the way the 1578 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:48,240 sidewalks go into the intersection. Um, 1579 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,160 and then we also have a setback at the 1580 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,440 north side of the parcel where the 45 1581 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,480 degree parking starts uh by code uh to 1582 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,960 set back 30 ft from the stop sign. Um, 1583 01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,039 that's facing 1584 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,160 east 1585 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,160 going on Hay Street there. 1586 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,760 Here we go. There's a a linear drawing 1587 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:16,000 for all um just kind of gives you a 1588 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:18,720 better overall of that. 1589 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:22,000 So once again, we've cited it. We we can 1590 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:26,359 we can certainly get 15 on there. Um and 1591 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,359 we're shy of one right now. 1592 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:33,280 » Okay. Um would you like to say anything 1593 01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:36,160 else, Jenny? 1594 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:39,440 » Um I think some of the 1595 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,799 we're we're happy to earn trust on She 1596 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,720 has wonderful recommendations. The city 1597 01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:44,480 has wonderful recommendations. We are 1598 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,960 really happy to earn trust and prove to 1599 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,280 you guys and come back and ask for more 1600 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,880 permissions out of the cup. We do have 1601 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,880 cons some concerns with the 1602 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,960 recommendations of the cup. We 1603 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,920 ultimately see this place as being able 1604 01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,720 to have fundraisers for the city um city 1605 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,359 council meetings chamber. I do think the 1606 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,880 cup limits us being able to do that. Um 1607 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:07,680 if we need to earn trust and come back 1608 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,839 and revisit that, fine. Um but I do 1609 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,319 think that it is overly limiting in that 1610 01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:14,400 aspect. Um, and then if that's the case, 1611 01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:16,640 then the 7 PM time frame would be over 1612 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,319 limiting in that aspect as well. It's 1613 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,359 not that we plan to do it often, but we 1614 01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:23,520 plan to be available for the city. We're 1615 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:25,599 a big part of the city. We want to also 1616 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,440 be able to offer this to the city. So, 1617 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:30,440 that's my only kind of feedback on the 1618 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,440 recommendations. 1619 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:36,920 » Thank you. 1620 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:36,920 » Thank you, Sarah. You up? 1621 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:45,119 » Thank you, sir. Thank you. 1622 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,440 Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, 1623 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:49,839 council members. Happy to be with you 1624 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:53,839 this evening to present this zoning 1625 01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:57,119 amendment request for 200 Bluff Street. 1626 01:07:53,839 --> 01:08:02,319 Um we'll be focusing on the finer 1627 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:04,559 aspects of the uh zoning amendment um as 1628 01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:07,359 well as the conditional overlay 1629 01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:11,520 recommendation from staff uh this 1630 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:13,839 evening. And so um 1631 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:17,279 there's already a significant amount of 1632 01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:20,000 content that was um presented very well 1633 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:23,839 by the applicants uh on this slide. And 1634 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:27,279 so, um, one thing additional to note is 1635 01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:30,239 that this is a corner property, um, 1636 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:32,400 located at the corner of Hayes and Bluff 1637 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:34,480 Street, which I think, um, adds some 1638 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:38,000 additional consideration 1639 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:42,239 to the appropriateness of a zoning 1640 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:45,520 amendment to allow um, commercial um, 1641 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:49,759 commercial uses as opposed to the 1642 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:54,239 existing um, single family garden uh 1643 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:58,880 residential zoning that it has. So 1644 01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:01,839 with that, I will um advance with the 1645 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:05,920 proposed zoning amendment to local 1646 01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:09,560 retail with historic overlay and a 1647 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,560 conditional overlay. 1648 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:19,120 So, um, when we look at the existing 1649 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,040 zoning that the property has, it's 1650 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:24,239 interesting to take a trip down memory 1651 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:27,040 lane, so to speak, and find out or 1652 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:30,560 refresh our memories around how did we 1653 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:36,400 come to have this existing zoning, this 1654 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:39,920 um, attached garden family zoning. Well, 1655 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:43,279 um it dates back to 2013 1656 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:46,880 when the property owner at that time 1657 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:51,120 wanted to essentially subdivide 1658 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:53,600 um the the previously intact property. 1659 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:58,000 And I'll point it out here, but it kind 1660 01:09:53,600 --> 01:10:01,679 of looks like a horizontally line lying 1661 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:05,600 um L shape. at that time that that 1662 01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:08,080 property owner had two trackcts of land, 1663 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,600 two parcels of land that they wished to 1664 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:13,520 subdivide into six lots. And in order to 1665 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,440 make that happen, they had to seek a 1666 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:21,199 zoning amendment to allow for a higher 1667 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,400 uh type of density and uh allow for 1668 01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:27,440 those essentially six lots out of what 1669 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:31,199 used to be two uh parcels. ending up 1670 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,560 with the six lots that we see over here 1671 01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:37,679 and over here. So, 1672 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,080 brief trip down memory lane to tell us 1673 01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:46,320 um where we are now and how we got 1674 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:49,120 there. uh when when considering um you 1675 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,480 know the merits uh and the intents of 1676 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:55,520 the applicant's zoning amendment request 1677 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:59,199 um you know as as previously mentioned 1678 01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:01,920 the current uses are limited to 16 uses 1679 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:05,760 under the zoning essentially residential 1680 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:08,320 uses with uh the potential for a home 1681 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:11,040 occupation business which would mean 1682 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,600 essentially that the main use and 1683 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:16,320 function of the property is residential 1684 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:20,239 but then a portion of the property can 1685 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:23,760 be used for a business. 1686 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:27,440 However, the applicant um would like to 1687 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:31,760 occupy the entirety of the property. if 1688 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:33,440 um you know all goes through with um you 1689 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,159 know their current plans for this 1690 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:38,640 property, they would like to use the 1691 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:41,360 entirety of the property for their 1692 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,400 business and not have it as you know a 1693 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,719 home occupation type of business. So um 1694 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:50,880 this is why they're requesting this 1695 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:53,920 zoning amendment. Um, one thing to note 1696 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:56,719 aside from the uses, you know, this 1697 01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:01,120 property is within the Hayes Historic 1698 01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:04,080 District overlay and not only does that 1699 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:07,120 restrict the permitted land uses um 1700 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:11,199 within the historic district, but it 1701 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:15,040 also requires review of site plans or 1702 01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:19,120 exterior updates to the property. So, 1703 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:21,520 um, you know, just to note, um, 1704 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:24,400 regardless of any decisions this 1705 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,880 evening, if any exterior updates are 1706 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,600 proposed to this site, 1707 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:33,520 it will have to go through HPC review 1708 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:36,880 and ultimately further uh, decision and 1709 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:40,880 approval. So, that will remain unchanged 1710 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,640 um, regardless of um, any decisions this 1711 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:46,400 evening. 1712 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:47,920 When we look at the surrounding 1713 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:51,120 landscape 1714 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:56,960 um around 200 bluff, 1715 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:59,440 we do see a concentration of um you know 1716 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:04,400 more commercial uses 1717 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:08,080 along the US 290 corridor as well as um 1718 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:13,360 you know an institutional use with the 1719 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:18,880 Baptist church over here. Um, and we see 1720 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:22,159 this uh large um I guess 1721 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:26,400 more triangular shaped uh property that 1722 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:28,560 has the zoning designation that the 1723 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,480 applicants are seeking. So this property 1724 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:34,320 over here which is within the historic 1725 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:37,040 district and you know extends from the 1726 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:40,646 US 290 corridor all the way to the back 1727 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:42,719 of the Hayes historic district. it has 1728 01:13:40,646 --> 01:13:46,800 [clears throat] this um same local 1729 01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:50,640 retail zoning. So that's kind of an 1730 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:54,880 overview of our current landscape um at 1731 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:57,679 least you know extending from US 290 um 1732 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,840 towards the back of the district. We 1733 01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:04,320 also have 1734 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:08,800 uh as evidenced by the yellow um 1735 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:12,719 uh shapes on the screen a duplex duplex 1736 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:18,719 type zoning. So again um a somewhat 1737 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:20,320 higher type of um residential uh density 1738 01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:23,199 zoning. 1739 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,920 And so 1740 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:28,560 it helps also to take a type of zoomed 1741 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:32,320 out approach when looking at the 1742 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,080 surrounding land uses. Um we did see a 1743 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:37,440 little bit from the applicant earlier 1744 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:43,360 about the businesses that are you know 1745 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:45,920 kind of directly abuing um 200 bluff so 1746 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:49,679 to speak. But this is a slightly more 1747 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:52,239 zoomed out um screenshot from Google 1748 01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:54,880 Maps which shows you know the current 1749 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:57,199 businesses uh that are around the 1750 01:14:54,880 --> 01:15:00,159 property. So, in addition to those the 1751 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:02,719 design businesses that are located uh 1752 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:07,040 directly to the north of the property um 1753 01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:10,719 and the the um restaurants uh again to 1754 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:13,760 the north uh east 1755 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:18,080 there are um you know there is the the 1756 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,800 wedding rental business um slash STR 1757 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:24,080 short-term rental that is across the 1758 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:27,199 street and then additional short-term 1759 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:30,159 rental businesses uh located to the 1760 01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:34,000 south. So um along the south southern 1761 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:40,000 portion of Bluff. Um 1762 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:43,199 so we see an uh neighborhood that one 1763 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:45,920 could say is in transition. Um there 1764 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:49,840 still are quite a few residences and 1765 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:55,280 full-time residents within the district. 1766 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:59,440 Um but then there are you know uh other 1767 01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:02,719 other types of uses that are somewhat um 1768 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:07,440 balancing I guess that residential use 1769 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:12,159 with more commercial types of uses. So 1770 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:15,440 just a quick quick overview of that. 1771 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:17,280 Now, when we get to the zoning amendment 1772 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:20,880 request, just to dive a little bit more 1773 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:24,560 into the details of what um what the 1774 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:28,480 zoning updates to local retail uh with 1775 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:31,840 historic overlay would allow. So, it 1776 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:34,320 would allow the permitted land uses to 1777 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,320 increase from 16 1778 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:39,120 to 73, 1779 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:41,920 but it would not allow the full list of 1780 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:44,480 82 uses that are permitted under a 1781 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:47,679 straight LR zoning without a historic 1782 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:51,679 overlay. Um, and again, as I previously 1783 01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:53,920 mentioned, you know, the HPC would still 1784 01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:56,480 have to review and approve any site 1785 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,880 plans or exterior updates via a 1786 01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:01,120 certificate of appropriateness review 1787 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,840 prior to applicants applying for 1788 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:07,760 permits. 1789 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:10,640 Um, so a little more details. We talked 1790 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,560 about uses here. Um, and these are the 1791 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,320 uses that are permitted without the 1792 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,840 conditional overlay. I will get to the 1793 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,840 conditional overlay and the 1794 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,239 recommendations and additional 1795 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,640 restrictions that come with that. But 1796 01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:26,080 first, I did just want to point out some 1797 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:29,440 additional um updates that would result 1798 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:33,199 from the zoning amendment. So, aside 1799 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:38,560 from the increase in uses, we would also 1800 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:42,560 have um an increase in the minimum 1801 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:47,679 square footage of a lot permitted under 1802 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:50,719 this LR base zoning. Under the current 1803 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:54,320 um garden family 1804 01:17:50,719 --> 01:18:01,520 type of zoning, we're allowed, you know, 1805 01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:04,880 much tighter and um more dense lots and, 1806 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,960 you know, essentially an attached 1807 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:10,880 town home type of development. That's 1808 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:14,239 what the current zoning would allow. Um, 1809 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:17,760 so the LR zoning would actually increase 1810 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:20,960 the minimum square footage required for 1811 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,560 a, you know, legal lot size under the 1812 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:26,960 updated LR zoning. Um, 1813 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:31,199 other I think more important things to 1814 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:35,280 note is the current zoning also allows 1815 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:39,760 for up to 80% imperous cover 1816 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:43,040 uh on the site whereas the LR zoning 1817 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:46,400 reduces the maximum imperous cover 1818 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:51,360 permitted by 20%. 1819 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:54,800 So, you know, a more green um type of 1820 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:58,239 lot, you could say. Um, 1821 01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:02,400 so I won't I won't spend uh too much 1822 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:04,000 more time on this slide. Um, but if ever 1823 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,640 we have questions, we can always come 1824 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,800 back to it. 1825 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,280 Um, I did want to just briefly touch 1826 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:17,920 upon the other existing 1827 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:20,880 areas within our city uh and within our 1828 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:23,760 historic districts that are classified 1829 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,719 for similar development because they 1830 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:31,440 have the same zoning type. So, they have 1831 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:33,199 the LR um HO zoning. So, we have the 1832 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:35,760 first property that we talked about was 1833 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:38,159 the 103105 1834 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,800 Creek Road, um, which is within the 1835 01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:43,840 historic district and currently, based 1836 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,840 on my understanding, it has, um, you 1837 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,320 know, short-term rentals and, I believe, 1838 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,719 professional offices 1839 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:54,719 uh, at this location. 1840 01:19:50,719 --> 01:20:00,640 Uh there's also the second property is 1841 01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:03,679 the Mercer Chapman um historic property 1842 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:05,120 that's located along Mercer Street and 1843 01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:07,760 from what I understand it's also 1844 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,280 operating uh with short-term rentals 1845 01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:12,880 currently. 1846 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:15,920 And then last but not least in our uh 1847 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:19,440 old Fitzu historic district, there are 1848 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:23,679 several we see a a large uh 1849 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:25,760 concentration of properties that have 1850 01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:29,120 you know this local retail zoning and 1851 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:33,360 there are a mix of uses uh land uses 1852 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:38,000 that are currently um you know located 1853 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:41,840 on those lots including um 1854 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:46,640 um short-term rentals, um the wine 1855 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:49,840 tasting room, um and other uh salon 1856 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:53,520 types of businesses. 1857 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:56,560 Uh, one thing to note is staff does not 1858 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:58,880 consider that a zoning amendment to 200 1859 01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:01,600 bluff would impact 1860 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,120 um these existing zone properties 1861 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:08,640 negatively or impact their ability to 1862 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:12,280 redevelop if ever they wanted to uh do 1863 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,280 that in the future. 1864 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,960 All right. I do think it's important for 1865 01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:21,600 us to just recap the public feedback 1866 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:24,159 that we received. So, this this public 1867 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,600 feedback was really a catalyst for staff 1868 01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:30,719 recommending the addition of the 1869 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:36,320 conditional overlay to the requested LRO 1870 01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:38,960 zoning. Um, you know, there were uh two 1871 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:42,239 letters of support that were provided 1872 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,760 for the zoning change. Um they briefly 1873 01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:46,880 touched on it earlier, the applicants 1874 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:50,320 did. So letters of support from 112 1875 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:53,120 Bluff and 102 Bluff. Um but during the 1876 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:56,719 public hearing for the planning and 1877 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:59,120 zoning commission on July 28th, we did 1878 01:21:56,719 --> 01:22:02,800 hear from, you know, residents of 1879 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:06,400 Dripping Springs um 1880 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:09,679 regarding, you know, sort of a mixed um 1881 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:12,960 sentiment. So, positive feedback for the 1882 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:16,480 proposed medical spa or medical office 1883 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:19,520 and spa land use. Um, but concerns 1884 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:23,280 about, you know, potential parking 1885 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:26,800 arrangements or parking impacts to the 1886 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:30,880 existing district and neighborhood. Um 1887 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:33,920 and also just you know some um some 1888 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:38,719 reservations about what the potential 1889 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:41,440 impact of not necessarily the spa itself 1890 01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:44,000 but a future land use that could be 1891 01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:46,639 permitted under the LR zoning. What 1892 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,040 could that potentially, you know, lead 1893 01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:51,600 to in terms of negative unforeseen 1894 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,600 impacts to the surrounding properties 1895 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,840 and also to the residents? because, as 1896 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:58,639 we said, there are a lot of short-term 1897 01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:01,760 rentals in this district, but they're 1898 01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:05,760 also, you know, 1899 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:08,880 a lot of yearround residents. And so, 1900 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,800 you know, again, um there was another 1901 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,199 letter that was sent. This was following 1902 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,679 the public uh hearing at the planning 1903 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:18,400 and zoning commission. Another resident 1904 01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:21,679 expressed support for the medical spa 1905 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,639 use and also the rehabilitation of the 1906 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:26,719 wonderful uh 1883 historic structure on 1907 01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:28,480 the site while requesting that 1908 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:30,880 additional conditions be placed on the 1909 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:33,520 zoning amendment to preserve the quality 1910 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:36,719 of life of the neighboring residences. 1911 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:39,360 And really those concerns centered on, 1912 01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:41,679 you know, the potential for exterior 1913 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,639 storage that could potentially blow 1914 01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:46,400 trash onto the site. And then also just 1915 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:49,840 concerns about, you know, operating 1916 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:52,560 hours, um, making sure that, you know, a 1917 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:57,120 land use, um, beyond the foreseeable 1918 01:23:52,560 --> 01:24:00,840 one, uh, is compatible with neighboring 1919 01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,840 residences. So 1920 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:08,080 staff did, you know, take all of that 1921 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:11,679 input into account and also spoke with 1922 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:14,320 the applicants regarding this, you know, 1923 01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:17,280 very important feedback and they agreed 1924 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:20,080 to modify the zoning amendment request 1925 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:22,400 to local retail with historic overlay, 1926 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:25,199 but then also the conditional overlay. 1927 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,080 So now we will get into what does the 1928 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:31,520 conditional overlay actually add in this 1929 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:36,960 case. It will reduce the permitted land 1930 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:39,600 uses from 73 to 59. Um 1931 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:43,440 you know things that would essentially 1932 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:47,600 drive a lot of traffic potentially to 1933 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:50,880 the site or you know potentially create 1934 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:55,199 noise issues or things like that. um 1935 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:58,800 that wouldn't be compatible with um you 1936 01:24:55,199 --> 01:25:02,159 know existing residences. 1937 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:05,600 You know, we we went through the list 1938 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:08,239 and whittleled it down to 59 that would 1939 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,199 be the most um most compatible or more 1940 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:14,080 compatible. Uh the other thing that it 1941 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:15,840 would do is it would increase the the 1942 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:19,600 number of land uses requiring a 1943 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:21,280 conditional use permit from 12 to 15. 1944 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,800 Um, it would increase the number of 1945 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,480 prohibited land uses from 145 to 140 1946 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:29,440 156. 1947 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:32,320 It would prohibit outside storage or 1948 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:35,040 display on the site. And it would also 1949 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:37,760 limit the hours of business operation to 1950 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:39,920 a schedule between 9:00 a.m. and 700 1951 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,239 p.m. [clears throat] 1952 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:45,040 which based on my understanding are 1953 01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:50,320 within the normal business operating 1954 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:50,320 hours of the medical spa. 1955 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,560 So, the applicant already touched on 1956 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:59,600 this. I won't get too much in the weeds 1957 01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,840 because they um already spent quite a 1958 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:04,159 bit of time on this, but they did, you 1959 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:08,000 know, take that input that was received 1960 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:10,320 during the PNZ meeting and they provided 1961 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,960 an alternative concept site plan. This 1962 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,960 has not been approved by the historic 1963 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,600 preservation commission. So, I will just 1964 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:21,040 put that out there. Um, you know, 1965 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:24,719 although this concept, this 1966 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:29,280 updated concept site plan achieves, you 1967 01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:32,320 know, what our, um, downtown master plan 1968 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:34,880 puts forth in terms of onree parking and 1969 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:38,239 it accomplishes more than that. 1970 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,960 um you know ultimately this site concept 1971 01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:43,920 plan would still have to undergo all all 1972 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:46,159 the normal review processes and permits 1973 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,400 associated with 1974 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:50,880 a development project um in the city of 1975 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,239 Dripping Springs and including historic 1976 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:57,199 preservation. So 1977 01:26:54,239 --> 01:27:00,639 in terms of staff 1978 01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:02,000 um and also other recommendations um 1979 01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:05,520 starting with the penny and zoning 1980 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:08,159 commission recommendation on July 28th 1981 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:11,360 um they did recommend approval of the 1982 01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:13,199 zoning amendment. Um at that time it was 1983 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,159 LRH. 1984 01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:18,719 Um staff this evening recommends 1985 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:20,960 approval of the zoning amendment with 1986 01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:24,080 the addition of the conditional overlay 1987 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:28,159 for the reasons we laid out. And then 1988 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:30,480 next steps again HPC review for a 1989 01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:33,920 certificate of appropriateness, site 1990 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:35,520 development permit, sidewalk and parking 1991 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,719 agreements 1992 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:42,400 um with the city building permits and 1993 01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:44,800 the like. And so this concludes my staff 1994 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:48,880 presentation. Um I will seed my time 1995 01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:52,560 back to the council and um happy to 1996 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,679 answer any questions y'all may have. 1997 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,560 » Thank you Sarah. 1998 01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:56,639 » All right. 1999 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:59,199 » Thank you both. It's helpful to hear 2000 01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:03,480 from both of y'all. Let's move on to 2001 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:03,480 planning and zoning commission report. 2002 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:14,480 I don't need that. Um, [clears throat] 2003 01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,719 okay. I'll try to be brief and uh stick 2004 01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:18,719 to the high high points here. Uh, the 2005 01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:21,040 applicant gave the uh same presentation 2006 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:23,440 pretty much at our July uh planning and 2007 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:25,199 zoning uh commission meeting. Did a good 2008 01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,480 job with the presentation, answered a 2009 01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:28,639 lot of our questions and we had a good 2010 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:30,560 dialogue with uh with the applicant. We 2011 01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:32,159 considered the staff report which 2012 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,520 recommended approval at that time. I 2013 01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,840 think it's very important to point out, 2014 01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,520 however, that none of the work that was 2015 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,679 done on the subsequent conditional 2016 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:41,040 overlay was involved in the planning and 2017 01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,960 zoning commission meeting. That's work 2018 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,639 that staff pursued subsequent to our 2019 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,400 July 28th meeting. So, the report I'm 2020 01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:48,960 giving you is based upon what we did at 2021 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,800 the time. It did not include the 2022 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,360 recommendation that staff is now giving 2023 01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:55,440 for a conditional overlay on top of the 2024 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,001 of the district. We acknowledge the two 2025 01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,080 sets of written comments that that 2026 01:28:57,001 --> 01:29:00,480 [clears throat] were submitted in our 2027 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,159 packet from neighbors on Bluff Street. 2028 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:04,159 No one spoke at the planning and zoning 2029 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,840 commission meeting. As we normally do, 2030 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:08,400 we get into a resoning matter. We began 2031 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,920 to review the criteria for resoning. We 2032 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,920 reviewed the existing zoning in the 2033 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:15,760 district, which currently includes SF4, 2034 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:18,159 SF5, MF, and of course, both GR and CS 2035 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,920 are located along the Highway 290 2036 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,360 corridor adjacent to the uh to the 2037 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,520 neighborhood. [clears throat] We also 2038 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:25,040 noted that LR is present in both of our 2039 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,880 other two historic districts. for 2040 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:29,440 whatever that's worth. We questioned 2041 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,280 staff on whether any of the 70 plus uses 2042 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:33,520 that are in the base zoning for long uh 2043 01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,880 for LR could be detrimental to the 2044 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,560 future of the district and its property 2045 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,719 owners. Staff assured us that they had 2046 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,000 reviewed those uses and did not believe 2047 01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:41,520 that any of those uses would be 2048 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,507 detrimental to the neighborhood or the 2049 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,880 residents at that time because 2050 01:29:43,507 --> 01:29:46,880 [clears throat] LR is the least intensed 2051 01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,120 zoning category for all commercial for 2052 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,600 commercial activity. We also noted that 2053 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,560 there were another 20 plus conditional 2054 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:57,760 uses in the base LR zoning uh that would 2055 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,440 require PNZ and council review if a 2056 01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,847 conditional use of that sort was to be 2057 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,400 requested. They were not requested 2058 01:30:01,847 --> 01:30:03,920 [clears throat] 2059 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,600 because we recognize that the decision 2060 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,920 could have an impact on future resoning 2061 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,360 in the entire neighborhood. Uh we spent 2062 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,960 considerable time talking about 2063 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,719 potential future reszoning in the 2064 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,120 district and the implications for 2065 01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:16,880 preserving the district's character and 2066 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,080 while enhancing the overall value and 2067 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,080 aesthetics of that particular 2068 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,760 neighborhood. We expect that the comp 2069 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,760 plan when it's finalized will address 2070 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,400 this issue in more detail. Although 2071 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,320 zoning was the focus of our discussion 2072 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,920 like we normally do, we couldn't help 2073 01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:32,239 but get into some of the aspects of the 2074 01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,920 concept plan and we did offer some 2075 01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:36,400 suggestions to staff with regard to 2076 01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,000 parking hours of operation and those 2077 01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,360 kinds of things. But again, we tried to 2078 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,199 focus on the fact that this was a 2079 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,360 reasonzoning request and not a site 2080 01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:45,040 development plan. Finally, we verified 2081 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,960 that Historic Preservation Commission 2082 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,320 would be involved in reviewing the site 2083 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,679 development plan because they have to 2084 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,679 come up with a recommendation for 2085 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:53,120 certificate of appropriateness and we 2086 01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:55,120 certainly deferred to their judgment on 2087 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,280 those matters in the historic districts. 2088 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,488 So, with that, PNZ is recommending 2089 01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,360 approval of the uh of the request 2090 01:30:59,488 --> 01:31:03,600 [clears throat] for the reszoning to LR. 2091 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,440 Uh the vote was 4:1, although I think it 2092 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,280 was a little closer than 4:1 indicates. 2093 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:08,719 It was a spirited discussion. So, with 2094 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,639 that, I'll answer any questions that you 2095 01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:12,480 might have. 2096 01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:13,920 Anyone have any questions at this time 2097 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:16,159 from him? 2098 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,000 » You said the timing, 2099 01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:20,159 the hours of operation that were 2100 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,159 mentioned when we approved this, are 2101 01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:23,679 those set in stone or would that come 2102 01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:25,040 back at a later time? 2103 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:27,199 » That'll have to be discussed during the 2104 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,840 development uh plan review. That's not a 2105 01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,960 zoning issue. 2106 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:32,000 » Actually, no. That's in your 2107 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:33,679 recommendation then Sarah 2108 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,040 limit the hours of operation. 2109 01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:35,920 » Yeah, that's why I asked. 2110 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:39,520 » So, it would be 2111 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:45,120 » I I will pipe in. So the conditional 2112 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:48,320 overlay would um impose that 2113 01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:51,760 that time that schedule you know 2114 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:55,120 regardless of if it changes property 2115 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,960 owners um if the property changes hands. 2116 01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:59,040 This is not specific to this business. 2117 01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,840 it would apply to all businesses and 2118 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:05,360 really that is to protect the existing 2119 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:07,840 residents um and just make sure that you 2120 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:10,080 know uh good intentions don't turn into 2121 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:13,199 a nuisance ultimately like 2122 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,080 » We want um for everybody to 2123 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,000 » So you know 2124 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,920 » At at the end of the day if we go by 2125 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:20,320 your recommendation not what PNC 2126 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,800 approved those hours would be 2127 01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,800 » Yes 2128 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,120 » Covered up which is what you were asking 2129 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,880 I think 2130 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,920 » That was subsequent to the PNC Right. 2131 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,440 Yeah. Right. 2132 01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,920 » What was the biggest hesitation? 2133 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:31,440 » Say again. 2134 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,000 » What was the biggest biggest hesitation 2135 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,239 do you see? 2136 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:36,719 » I think the biggestation uh on this 2137 01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:39,360 whole thing is is 2138 01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:41,760 we we would we would like to have seen a 2139 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,280 little more material on the vision for 2140 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,000 the historic district out of the comp 2141 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:48,239 plan. Uh I think when we deal with these 2142 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,159 issues, these these issues come up. Uh 2143 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,639 it's difficult as you know to do these 2144 01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:54,719 things on a individual peace meal basis. 2145 01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:57,040 And if you had the long-term vision 2146 01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:58,400 described before you and we had proved 2147 01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,760 that this is the direction we want to go 2148 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,679 with this historic district, it would 2149 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,040 have made the discussion a lot easier. 2150 01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:04,960 Uh I think what [clears throat] we found 2151 01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,440 in the discussion was there's a large 2152 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,880 concern, a huge concern about 2153 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:10,400 maintaining the quality and the 2154 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,480 character of the historic district on 2155 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:15,360 the one hand. On the other hand, what we 2156 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:17,199 also recognized is is that that uh 2157 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,560 investment in the in the structures and 2158 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:20,400 so forth in that neighborhood could 2159 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,600 certainly improve the aesthetics and the 2160 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,120 overall appeal of the neighborhood. And 2161 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,639 so how do you balance that? That's a 2162 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,280 tough question. That's a very tough 2163 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:29,280 question. We think that this particular 2164 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,360 home is one of the stars of this 2165 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,960 historic district. And so we certainly 2166 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,159 welcome the idea of renovating it, 2167 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,760 improving it, and bringing it back to 2168 01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:38,159 its glory on the one hand. On the other 2169 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,600 hand, what we can foresee is we can 2170 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:41,679 foresee a number of other requests 2171 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,120 forthcoming about reszoning other 2172 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:45,040 properties in the area for similar 2173 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,400 reasons, commercial type activity. And 2174 01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:49,440 that was a concern of ours. And we 2175 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:52,800 discussed that at length 2176 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:56,000 » When you guys were choosing times. 2177 01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:59,040 How did you come up with 9 to7? Was that 2178 01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:01,199 based on um just residential concerns? 2179 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:04,719 Was that also based on businesses in the 2180 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:06,080 area? Did you guys at all consider um 2181 01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:08,480 doing stuff to where when you have a 2182 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:11,600 venue that has inside and outside? Um 2183 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:14,320 sometimes they'll do like open until 9, 2184 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,400 but after 7 any outdoor activity has to 2185 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,679 cease. like can you bring more light 2186 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,639 into that conversation and how you got 2187 01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,480 to those times? 2188 01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:22,560 » So, you know, we're we're definitely 2189 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:25,280 forward thinking when it comes to the 2190 01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:28,480 times. Um we don't want to limit, you 2191 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:31,679 know, this thought process to just the 2192 01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:33,280 immediate um but immediate 2193 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:35,360 considerations 2194 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:38,719 were definitely taken into account in 2195 01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:40,719 speaking with um the applicants. their 2196 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:46,400 business operates usually between the 2197 01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:49,280 hours of 9:00 am and 6 pm. Um, so, you 2198 01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:52,015 know, in in order to be generous, uh, if 2199 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:53,679 you want to call it that, we did extend, 2200 01:34:52,015 --> 01:34:57,040 [snorts] you know, the operating hours a 2201 01:34:53,679 --> 01:35:00,560 little bit past their regular hours of 2202 01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:05,199 business. Um, and we do think that this 2203 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:07,040 is an appropriate uh consideration when, 2204 01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:10,560 you know, taking into account that there 2205 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:14,239 are neighboring residences around the 2206 01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:17,520 business. And so yes, you know, you do 2207 01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:20,639 want to balance um the needs of the 2208 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:22,719 business and its usual operating hours 2209 01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:25,120 with the needs of the surrounding 2210 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:27,920 properties to make sure that when you 2211 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:31,040 make a recommendation as staff that 2212 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:34,960 you're considering, you know, the needs 2213 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:38,480 of um not only the applicant but the 2214 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:39,840 greater community surrounding. So I hope 2215 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:42,800 that answers your question. Was the 2216 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,679 applicant okay with the time that was 2217 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,560 given? 2218 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:47,199 » I'm sorry. 2219 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,719 » Did the applicant express what time 2220 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:51,199 ideally they would like to stay open? 2221 01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:54,560 » They did. Yes. So, they expressed that 2222 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:57,120 they're not open past 6 2223 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,719 and that, you know, you can look at the 2224 01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,120 planning and zoning commission meeting 2225 01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:04,000 if you would like, but that's what they 2226 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:06,560 expressed. 2227 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:09,040 Uh, sorry. Go ahead. Were you going to 2228 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,560 say something? Okay. 2229 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:13,840 um 2230 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,440 pivoting to parking. 2231 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,280 Are you guys when we were talking about 2232 01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:19,520 So I saw some of the parking spots that 2233 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,440 were around there, they had mentioned um 2234 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:25,040 talking to Pig Pen, Pig Pen allowing for 2235 01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:27,199 some spots as well. How are how is the 2236 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,800 committee going to deal with parking in 2237 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:30,400 the future? Would y'all require like if 2238 01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,320 they if pigpen allowed it, would you 2239 01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:35,280 require there to actually be a contract 2240 01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,880 in place with other businesses or I know 2241 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,159 eventually if they did off-site parking 2242 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,920 that would probably have to come back to 2243 01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:42,480 council, but did y'all discuss the 2244 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:47,600 details of what that would look like? 2245 01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:52,000 That's a great question. So if um if 2246 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:53,920 there is, you know, I guess a long-term 2247 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:57,280 willingness on the part of those 2248 01:36:53,920 --> 01:37:00,639 neighboring businesses to share parking 2249 01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:03,360 with the applicants, then that would 2250 01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:06,159 require a long-term parking agreement. 2251 01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:08,239 It would also require a variance. So, 2252 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:12,159 they would have to go, you know, in 2253 01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:15,760 front of PNZ and ultimately city council 2254 01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:19,679 to get that type of variance. Um, when 2255 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:22,159 it comes to the parking spaces that 2256 01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:26,000 they're showing in their updated site 2257 01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:28,080 plan, um, those would not require a 2258 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:32,960 variance in and of themselves. that 2259 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:35,679 would require a separate type of um 2260 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:38,719 licensing, right-of-way licensing and 2261 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:42,239 sidewalk easement agreement with the 2262 01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:46,639 city. And so that would have to be um 2263 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:48,719 done in concert with our legal staff, 2264 01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:51,360 Mr. Anise Alani, who is here this 2265 01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:54,880 evening, and also with the assistance of 2266 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,560 our city engineer, Chad Gilpin. So 2267 01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:59,040 hopefully that answers your question. 2268 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,040 Yeah. 2269 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:11,280 the the applicant can return up there 2270 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,320 for ask direct question. 2271 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,719 » Can I ask? 2272 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:17,440 » Okay. Um for the applicants, can y'all 2273 01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:19,760 um give me your opinion on the times 2274 01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:21,600 from 9 to 7 and if you are comfortable 2275 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,239 with that and you feel like it wouldn't 2276 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,480 how that would affect your business. I 2277 01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:27,440 think 2278 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,840 » We might have to have you go 2279 01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:32,840 » On the phone so you're on record. Okay. 2280 01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,840 » Sorry. 2281 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,400 » Perfect. 2282 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,239 » Um like Sarah said, she is correct. The 2283 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,480 spa will be open from about 9:00 to 2284 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:44,880 7:00. That's our hours at Glow right now 2285 01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:47,760 or 9 to 6. I do not see an extension of 2286 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,560 that time. I do see a severe limitation 2287 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:54,480 in using this building as like I said a 2288 01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:56,480 fundraiser or anything to do with with 2289 01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:58,480 helping the community. And that is a big 2290 01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:00,560 part of what we want to do. If everyone 2291 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,880 has to be gone by 7:00, I we go to tons 2292 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,639 of fundraising. They start at 7. I I'm 2293 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,480 not asking for 10 p.m. midnight, none of 2294 01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:08,880 that. But I think 9 would be a more 2295 01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:11,520 appropriate time. um it won't be used 2296 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:13,119 that often, but if if we're, you know, 2297 01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:15,119 having to talk about it now and I can 2298 01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:17,520 never change it, seven is severely 2299 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:20,880 limiting. And is that what everybody 2300 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:23,760 else has as a conditional approval? Is 2301 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:25,119 that extra limiting to us as opposed to 2302 01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:27,360 everybody else? Because I wouldn't want 2303 01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:29,199 that either. 2304 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:31,360 Okay. I'm not sure. Can staff answer 2305 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:35,119 that question? Like I know Pig Pen has 2306 01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:36,639 events. They close at 8 um during the 2307 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,080 week and then but they'll have events 2308 01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:40,080 like outdoors. How does that work? Do 2309 01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,199 they have to get permission from the 2310 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,480 city for that? 2311 01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:44,639 » Yeah, I can address that. And to 2312 01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:46,400 clarify, so what we're discussing here 2313 01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:48,800 is a conditional overlay. So it's kind 2314 01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,400 of a a standalone overlay district on 2315 01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,440 this particular piece of property that 2316 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,440 we're discussing. [clears throat] 2317 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:55,679 » Uh so it's an opportunity to address the 2318 01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:59,119 unique nature of this development. maybe 2319 01:39:55,679 --> 01:40:00,960 in a situation like this where um where 2320 01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:02,800 the base zoning district may not be 2321 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:06,239 fully appropriate there without any 2322 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:07,679 additional uh constraints. Um so the 2323 01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:10,239 only times where hours of operation 2324 01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:12,000 would be limited are in cases where 2325 01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:15,119 there's a conditional use permit like 2326 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:18,480 maybe for a bar for instance 2327 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:20,159 um or or a conditional overlay. I can't 2328 01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:22,239 think of a conditional overlay that we 2329 01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:24,000 have active today that limits the hours 2330 01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,280 of operation. I'm looking around the 2331 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,400 room at other staff to see if they're 2332 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:30,159 aware of it, but I it's it's not common 2333 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,480 practice probably because we don't see 2334 01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:35,119 very many of these conditional overlays. 2335 01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:36,239 Um they're they're rare particularly for 2336 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,639 retail uses. 2337 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:41,040 » So with the conditional overlay, if any 2338 01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:43,199 business in the future at this property, 2339 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,280 if they wanted to have a fundraiser or 2340 01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:47,280 an event after the normal operating 2341 01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:49,520 business hours, how would they be able 2342 01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,239 to do that? they would come back with an 2343 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,679 amendment to that conditional overlay 2344 01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,800 similar to a zoning change. They'd come 2345 01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,239 back before planning and zoning 2346 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,000 commission and city council to request 2347 01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:59,760 an amendment to that because that is 2348 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,119 written at that point into the zoning 2349 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,560 ordinance of that property. 2350 01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,639 » So, it would have to be an entire 2351 01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,480 ordinance change and not just a one-time 2352 01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:09,040 exception for a onetime amendment. 2353 01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:13,199 » I don't see an option there on these. 2354 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:14,880 » Um, yeah, that's a it's a it's a good 2355 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:16,800 contingency that we hadn't thought of 2356 01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:19,360 when drafting the conditional overlay. 2357 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:22,719 And I I might suggest that in the hours 2358 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:24,800 of operation condition, if we added 2359 01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:28,800 words to the effect of except as 2360 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:31,920 authorized by a validly issued special 2361 01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,840 event permit, um 2362 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,800 then we could deal with that through the 2363 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,840 special event permit process and they 2364 01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,920 wouldn't have to come back for an 2365 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,600 amendment. 2366 01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,400 » I would like that. How did the other 2367 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,760 members on the dice? 2368 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,520 » I'm not debating it. You're asking 2369 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:47,520 questions and then start talking about 2370 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,400 it. Never mind. I don't care about 2371 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,840 y'all's opinion. 2372 01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:52,960 » We'll have a good discussion. 2373 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:54,239 » Just kidding. Okay. Okay. Um, but what 2374 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,400 you just said, have we ever done that 2375 01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:57,679 before or that'd be something new? 2376 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,840 » Not during my time. 2377 01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:02,840 » Okay. All right. I think that's it for 2378 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,840 me. 2379 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,440 » Any other questions? 2380 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:10,320 » I do. Um, 2381 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:11,840 » And 2382 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,040 okay, y'all had your presentation. 2383 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:16,719 » Go ahead, Russell. 2384 01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:20,400 » Okay. Um, I I just want to be clear on 2385 01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:22,639 on the reading of sub uh section five at 2386 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:26,159 the end of accessory uses and outdoor 2387 01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:30,239 amenities. Second paragraph, no pool, 2388 01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:34,080 cabana, patio, food, or beverage area, 2389 01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:37,119 gathering area, or other outdoor amenity 2390 01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:40,639 may operate as independent principal 2391 01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:44,400 use. restaurant, bar, special event 2392 01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:48,760 facility, commercial recreation use, or 2393 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:48,760 commercial entertainment use. 2394 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:55,679 » That's a Tory or Anise question. 2395 01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:58,080 Sorry, I I heard what you read, but I 2396 01:42:55,679 --> 01:43:02,880 didn't catch the question. 2397 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:05,040 So the question is it that's 2398 01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:08,880 highly limiting 2399 01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:14,560 on a conditional use permit to go back 2400 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:18,719 and utilize the space as a nonprofit 2401 01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:20,880 um fundraiser. H how do we and and our 2402 01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:24,800 client how how do we get past that 2403 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:27,600 verbiage? Uh so and I'll stand to be 2404 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:31,360 corrected by the planning director but 2405 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:34,159 what section five of the condition um is 2406 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:37,600 meant to say and I think does is you've 2407 01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:41,199 got accessory uses and independent 2408 01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:45,760 principal uses. So accessory uses and 2409 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:48,719 activities are sort of non-permanent 2410 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:51,520 occasional exceptional events and those 2411 01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:54,719 are and so I'll just read what the rule 2412 01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:57,360 is again. Accessory uses and activities 2413 01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:59,280 are allowed only when customarily 2414 01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:01,679 incidental and subordinate to a 2415 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,280 principal use permitted by right or 2416 01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:05,840 authorized through a conditional use 2417 01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:08,000 permit are located on the property and 2418 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,080 comply with all applicable city code 2419 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:12,480 requirements. So something like a 2420 01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:14,639 fundraiser like and it's not a 2421 01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:16,960 fundraising center, it's not place 2422 01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:19,840 that's rented out for fundraisers, but 2423 01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,719 is a you know essentially a one-off 2424 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:24,159 fundraiser. 2425 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:26,719 » Yes, sir. If that were customarily 2426 01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:29,040 incidental and subordinate to the 2427 01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:30,800 principal use, 2428 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:34,560 uh then 2429 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,800 that uh would be fine as long as it 2430 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:39,199 meets all the requirements and is 2431 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:42,560 subject to what might be an amendment 2432 01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:45,119 from the DY. We could independently 2433 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:48,000 allow activities that are authorized by 2434 01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:50,800 special event permit regardless of what 2435 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,719 the principal use is. the the second 2436 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,960 provision which it sounded like maybe 2437 01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:58,080 caused more anxiety 2438 01:44:54,960 --> 01:45:00,960 um is saying you can't have an 2439 01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:04,719 independent principal use 2440 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:07,760 uh like you can't use the pool or the 2441 01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:13,679 cabana etc as an independent principal 2442 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:15,600 use um so you can't turn it into like 2443 01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:16,239 the primary business can't be a swimming 2444 01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,159 pool 2445 01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:21,360 » Understood 2446 01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:25,280 » So going back to your recommendation of 2447 01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:28,080 utilizing a a special request 2448 01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:31,440 through the cups. 2449 01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:33,920 » Uh so the cup is is different. That's if 2450 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:36,719 you want to add another principal use. 2451 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,760 If you wanted to add another occasional 2452 01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:40,880 use 2453 01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:43,840 » That could be uh if an amendment's made 2454 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,320 to a special event permit. special event 2455 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,400 permit, 2456 01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,920 » Which is essentially what the city does, 2457 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:51,119 you know, throughout the city. If 2458 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:53,280 someone's having a special event at, you 2459 01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:55,760 know, a restaurant, restaurant's a bad 2460 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:59,760 example, but, 2461 01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:01,840 I don't know, a golf club or a daycare. 2462 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,199 Uh, we don't really look at what the 2463 01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:08,480 primary use is. We're allowing a special 2464 01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:09,280 event. Um, you know, kind of 2465 01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:10,639 » Okay. Thank you. 2466 01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:14,239 » Despite the original zoning. 2467 01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:15,600 » I appreciate it. Any 2468 01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:17,440 other questions? I 2469 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:19,679 » I had a question and I can't find it 2470 01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:22,159 now. There was a list of things we've 2471 01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:25,920 done through the years in the in that 2472 01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:28,320 historical area changing zoning. 2473 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:30,400 » And I'll say the there is a list in the 2474 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:32,320 packet. It's the last attachment showing 2475 01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,760 all the permitted and conditional uses. 2476 01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,520 Is that what you're referring to or is 2477 01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:38,400 it a 2478 01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:41,360 » It it was changing zoning um throughout 2479 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:43,280 the years and I now I can't find it. I 2480 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:46,639 think it's probably 2481 01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:51,280 Thank you for uh for your question. Um I 2482 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:56,080 think it's likely in 2483 01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,880 section four of the review 2484 01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,719 factors. 2485 01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:01,040 » Can you tell us page number on our 2486 01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:04,239 packet by chance? I'm just asking. 2487 01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:08,480 » I'm not seeing it um on mine, but let me 2488 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:10,719 see here. Um 2489 01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:12,880 » Cuz I'm wanting I'm wanting to to look 2490 01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:18,159 at historically what we've done, you 2491 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:21,639 know, are we being consistent with um 2492 01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:21,639 what we're allowing? 2493 01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:28,880 Um well so I will direct you um 2494 01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:30,960 unfortunately I don't have the specific 2495 01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:34,560 page number in the packet but there is a 2496 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:36,800 section in the staff report uh it 2497 01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:42,000 follows the 2498 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:46,960 um graphic with the existing LRH zone 2499 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:50,639 properties um and it is the fourth 2500 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:52,159 uh category of factors that we look at 2501 01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:55,760 when considering considering a zoning 2502 01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,920 amendment. So when you look at the table 2503 01:47:55,760 --> 01:48:01,480 um [clears throat] that is underneath 2504 01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,480 the header 2.28.2 2505 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:06,480 um it says factors on one side of the 2506 01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:10,639 table and on the other side it says 2507 01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:12,960 staff comments. So if you go to 2508 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:15,840 section four 2509 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:18,239 or actually my apologies 2510 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,840 I think I misnumbered it. It's actually 2511 01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:22,320 meant to be section five, 2512 01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,679 » Page 129 of the package. 2513 01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,440 » Thank you. Yeah. 2514 01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:26,480 » Thank you, Tori. 2515 01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:27,840 » It listed. 2516 01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:30,560 » Yes. So, 2517 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:32,159 » What you were looking for, Sharon? 2518 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:35,159 » What' you say? 129. 2519 01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:35,159 » 129 2520 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,679 crazy. 2521 01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:46,679 » Can you type it in there? There you go. 2522 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,960 Sorry. 2523 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:55,280 » That's okay. 2524 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,480 » It's all right. Uh, y'all go. Go ahead. 2525 01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,840 » This over here. 2526 01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,199 » This one. 129. 2527 01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,280 » Yes. 2528 01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:03,600 » That was it. 129. 2529 01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,400 » That was You want to follow up with 2530 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:07,199 something or you? 2531 01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:09,679 » No. Okay. No. Thank you. 2532 01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:12,040 » We listen to a little bit of PNZ's 2533 01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:12,320 discussion on this. 2534 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,159 » [clears throat] 2535 01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:18,080 » I think what you're doing is the right 2536 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:21,040 thing as far as the project. 2537 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:23,760 I think that the overlay 2538 01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:25,920 has been added since PNZ got to look at 2539 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:28,159 it. We're getting down into the weeds 2540 01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,080 now. When we start talking, you're 2541 01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:32,800 bringing in the first I've heard is 2542 01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:35,199 maybe a special event or maybe a 2543 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:37,440 fundraiser. Well, are we a spa or we a 2544 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:40,080 fundraiser? And I'm struggling with that 2545 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:42,480 now. Before I was like, this is good. 2546 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,719 But now I'm hearing fundraisers. That's 2547 01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:48,639 not your primary use. But we do have a 2548 01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:51,520 fair amount of residents that are living 2549 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:54,080 over there who we're telling we're going 2550 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:56,400 to put in a spa. It's going to by these 2551 01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:58,320 our recommendations from staff. It's 2552 01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:00,080 going to be shutting down about 7:00 at 2553 01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,760 night. It's going to have a little bit 2554 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,400 of traffic. They've allowed for all of 2555 01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,320 the cars except for one or two. They can 2556 01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,320 definitely sign a contract with a couple 2557 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:11,199 of people. 2558 01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:13,840 My other issue with that is you sign a 2559 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:16,239 contract and I know Bill Warren, you 2560 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:19,360 know, he'll work out a deal. Bill Warren 2561 01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:20,880 leaves, where's your parking? 2562 01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:22,719 Every one of those. And that's the 2563 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:25,199 problem with off-site parkings with 2564 01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:27,280 lease. And unfortunately, we've had a 2565 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:30,159 lot of turnover in businesses. I think 2566 01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:33,360 Bill's pretty stable, but that doesn't 2567 01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:35,600 to me fix the problem. In your case, 2568 01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:37,600 it's one parking place. So, I'm not I'm 2569 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:40,239 not worried. If you had to have all 16, 2570 01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:42,000 I think I would I wouldn't be 2571 01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:43,280 supportive. But that's just me. And you 2572 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,480 don't have that though, so it doesn't 2573 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:49,920 matter. I really think we've opened up a 2574 01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:52,400 whole new can of worms. I think it may 2575 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:55,119 be best to go back to PNZ, but it's 2576 01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:57,920 certainly council's pleasure. 2577 01:50:55,119 --> 01:51:00,960 I think the 2578 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,400 the concept of the spa, I don't know 2579 01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:05,840 that. I haven't heard really much from 2580 01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:09,520 council. Seems like that's okay. 2581 01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:11,040 But now when y'all open the door with, 2582 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:13,920 "Well, we might want to do this and 2583 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,600 might want to do that." For me of 2584 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,440 sitting up here for as long as I have, 2585 01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,679 when I start hearing we might want to do 2586 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:21,040 it, that moves over into the we're going 2587 01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:23,840 to do this. We just don't want to admit 2588 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:28,080 it right now. So, I have a great deal of 2589 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:29,840 concern about that because those people 2590 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:32,000 that have lived there and are still 2591 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:34,960 living there, I feel like they have a 2592 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:38,080 fair right to know what's going on. That 2593 01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:41,599 being said, there are view very few 2594 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:44,480 residents in that area that can afford 2595 01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:48,159 to invest in these buildings and what 2596 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:51,440 you're going to do to make a nice place 2597 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:54,239 really nice and preserve it. So, I think 2598 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:57,199 we've got to be working towards that. I 2599 01:51:54,239 --> 01:52:00,480 just don't know if the neighborhood has 2600 01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:02,719 grown up enough to just blanketly say, 2601 01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:05,119 "Here we are. We're gonna do this." Now, 2602 01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:08,320 are we doing a disservice to the people 2603 01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:10,960 living there? I don't vote on this 2604 01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:12,639 unless it happens to be a tie and it 2605 01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:17,679 can't be a tie because we only got three 2606 01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:19,520 unless somebody else steps away. But I'm 2607 01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:21,599 that's just my suggestion. But council, 2608 01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,880 y'all ask more questions and y'all have 2609 01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:24,320 a discussion over it. 2610 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,080 » And I agree with the mayors. This 2611 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,520 conditional overlay has thrown a wrench 2612 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:29,199 into this. If it wasn't for that and all 2613 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:31,840 this other stuff, we shouldn't be up 2614 01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:33,599 here debating in depth as with as much 2615 01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,760 of the conditional overlay. It should 2616 01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:38,000 have been worked out at a not only staff 2617 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,199 but P&Z level. So they come up here and 2618 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,040 say we approve this or not and it's cut 2619 01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:42,320 and dry whether you say we want it or we 2620 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,679 don't. I don't think we should be up 2621 01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,239 here debating the times on it. That 2622 01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:47,840 should be handled at a P&Z level. I also 2623 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:49,280 agree that it's a great project. The 2624 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,360 house sat on the market because it 2625 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:53,360 couldn't people can't afford to renovate 2626 01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:55,599 at that price and that's why you're 2627 01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:57,199 there and it's great. The parking, I 2628 01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:59,360 agree with the mayor, is one parking 2629 01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:01,440 spot. You know, not a not a deal maker, 2630 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:03,679 not a deal killer by any means, but 2631 01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:05,119 overall, I like everything, but the CEO, 2632 01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:06,960 since this is holding us up, I think it 2633 01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:08,000 needs to be put down back to P&Z for 2634 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,320 them to look at and give a 2635 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:13,360 recommendation because that's what seems 2636 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:15,520 to be holding us up is that 9 to7 time 2637 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,400 frame on that. And that's just what I 2638 01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,159 think. 2639 01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,400 » Well, the type of events that would be 2640 01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:20,719 going, 2641 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,400 » It's not the events, but I'm saying that 2642 01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:25,719 it does concern me 2643 01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,719 » That either. 2644 01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:31,119 I don't think it's a question right now 2645 01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:35,880 on that. I mean, it was brought up, 2646 01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:35,880 » You know, you brought it up to do that. 2647 01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:42,320 » Okay. You You've got to speak so they 2648 01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:44,719 can hear. Okay. Otherwise, people You're 2649 01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:48,280 Go ahead. But you just got to go to the 2650 01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:48,280 microphone. Okay. 2651 01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,360 That helps him record everything. Okay. 2652 01:53:51,073 --> 01:53:54,560 [laughter] 2653 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:56,560 » Sorry. First time here. Um, I I did say 2654 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,639 earlier that I'm willing to earn trust 2655 01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:01,679 with the city and come back. As long as 2656 01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:04,000 we have an avenue to re amend, I I don't 2657 01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:05,840 see a problem with this. 2658 01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,920 We will earn the trust of the community. 2659 01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:09,760 I'm not worried about that. If it's a 2660 01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:11,360 matter of asking for a special event 2661 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:13,280 permit for something that happens every 2662 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:16,719 now and then, that doesn't affect us 2663 01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:19,360 either. So for us, we see it as a 2664 01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:21,119 non-issue as long as we have an avenue 2665 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:23,520 in order to come and speak to you again 2666 01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:25,119 if we need to expand. 2667 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,920 And and I think that's what I'm saying. 2668 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:30,239 And Travis, y'all have not had the 2669 01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:32,960 opportunity to fully, for whatever 2670 01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:35,520 reason, understand what the limitations 2671 01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:38,960 really are and what can you get to 2672 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:42,320 because we're all very close to a yes, I 2673 01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:43,520 think. But you need to be make sure you 2674 01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,440 know what you're getting because we 2675 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:46,480 don't want to do it and then box you in 2676 01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:48,320 a corner. 2677 01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:50,639 » You come in for permits and suddenly 2678 01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:53,119 they say no and then you've wasted more 2679 01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:55,840 Russell's time, everybody's time in this 2680 01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:57,679 design. And so we want to make sure it's 2681 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:59,119 something that you'll be successful with 2682 01:54:57,679 --> 01:55:01,360 or I do. 2683 01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:03,760 » Understood. 2684 01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:06,320 But ma'am, I'm going to call on you just 2685 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,000 because 2686 01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:10,639 you think PNZ would appreciate the 2687 01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:12,400 opportunity or do you think we're just 2688 01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:13,119 wasting time sending it back down to 2689 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,280 come right back up? 2690 01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:17,534 » If we appreciate the opportunity, we'd 2691 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,880 be more than glad to take it on. 2692 01:55:17,534 --> 01:55:20,080 [laughter] 2693 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:22,400 » Well, I mean, you know, 2694 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:23,599 » Well, seriously, I 2695 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,960 think I think 2696 01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:26,480 » Part of the awkwardness in my 2697 01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,840 presentation was there's been a lot of 2698 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,080 work done that we were not privy to at 2699 01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,520 the PNC level. Okay. we just didn't see 2700 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:34,159 the conditional overlay work that was 2701 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:35,840 done subsequent to our meeting. Uh and I 2702 01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:37,840 think it does make some sense for us to 2703 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:39,760 go back and kind of massage that and and 2704 01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:41,119 and process it. So, I'm happy to do 2705 01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:43,735 that. I'm happy to I think it's the 2706 01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:44,320 right thing to do because uh 2707 01:55:43,735 --> 01:55:46,320 [clears throat] 2708 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:48,560 at our meeting when we work with staff 2709 01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,960 on the recommendation, we repeatedly ask 2710 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:53,520 the question, are any of the uses the 70 2711 01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,880 some odd uses that are allowed at LR 2712 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,480 detrimental to the neighborhood and the 2713 01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,719 property owners? And the response from 2714 01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:00,080 staff was we didn't see that. And we 2715 01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:01,599 knew there were other conditional uses 2716 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,960 that would have to come back to P&Z and 2717 01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:04,719 counsel if they wanted to pursue those. 2718 01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:06,480 So we weren't too worried about those. 2719 01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:08,000 And so with that we said well okay there 2720 01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:10,000 really isn't a real problem with these 2721 01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,245 uses. So we had a lot of spirited 2722 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,719 discussion and the vote was 2723 01:56:11,245 --> 01:56:15,280 [clears throat] 4 to1 to go ahead with a 2724 01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:17,199 recommendation to approve. Subsequent to 2725 01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,480 that meeting the discussion kind of 2726 01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:20,560 morphs into well what about a 2727 01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,560 conditional late to further restrict. We 2728 01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,560 were not a party to that. We didn't get 2729 01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:26,000 involved in that conversation. That's 2730 01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:28,159 normally the kind of thing that we would 2731 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,599 get involved in. So, if you're asking if 2732 01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:31,520 we would be I I think we would be 2733 01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:32,880 obligated to take it on, frankly. And 2734 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:34,639 so, I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to 2735 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,920 take it back and talk that through with 2736 01:56:34,639 --> 01:56:38,755 the benefit of having the work that 2737 01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:40,000 staff did on the conventional overlay. 2738 01:56:38,755 --> 01:56:41,360 [clears throat] 2739 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:43,199 » We hadn't gotten there yet, but I think 2740 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,880 Yes, sir. Go ahead. 2741 01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:47,440 » Just want to add a little bit more 2742 01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:51,040 context on to why the conditional 2743 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:53,040 overlay materialized after PNZ. Up until 2744 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:56,239 PNZ, we had only received those two 2745 01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:58,880 letters of support. um you know 2746 01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:00,800 unanimous support you could say from the 2747 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:04,000 business owners that provided a support 2748 01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:07,199 letter uh for the for this proposed 2749 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:08,960 zoning amendment. However, during PNZ, 2750 01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:11,360 that's where we, you know, got 2751 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:13,440 additional public feedback in addition 2752 01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:15,679 to the very good questions that were 2753 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,719 raised by the planning and zoning 2754 01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:21,119 commission. you know, we heard from two 2755 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:24,560 um Trippy Springs residents during that 2756 01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:27,360 very meeting and then also following the 2757 01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:31,440 meeting, we received a public comment 2758 01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:36,159 letter that was on the 31st. So really 2759 01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:40,400 that that work of you know drafting a 2760 01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:45,760 tool that would fine-tune 2761 01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:48,400 um you know the original ask to make it 2762 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:51,360 reflective and responsive 2763 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:53,920 um to the surrounding context um and 2764 01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:57,280 concerns of the people who you know care 2765 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:59,119 enough to share feedback. um that was 2766 01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:03,599 really staff's intention to be 2767 01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:06,560 responsive and so you know um I just 2768 01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:08,159 wanted to share that. Okay. 2769 01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:10,000 » And let me let me just make a quick 2770 01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:12,239 comment about the two letters because it 2771 01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:14,480 came up in P&Z. Both of those were 2772 01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,920 business owners. [clears throat] Uh they 2773 01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:18,560 were not residents. They were business 2774 01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:20,400 owners and uh they may have had a 2775 01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:23,360 different perspective on why this was 2776 01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:25,199 important than the residents. 2777 01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:27,199 » And that's what I was going to bring up. 2778 01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:29,440 We I've heard from the business owners, 2779 01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:31,840 you will help their businesses. I mean, 2780 01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:34,239 you're going to make that grow. The 2781 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:36,800 issue is the residents and the residents 2782 01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:40,159 don't come out to speak until it's too 2783 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:42,719 late. Two have out of probably 30, 35, I 2784 01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:44,159 don't know how many live over there. I 2785 01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:46,320 don't know if you're familiar, we had a 2786 01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:48,719 project up on 290 that was going to be a 2787 01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:50,400 sports center. We had the room full of 2788 01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:54,159 people protesting it. All of them 2789 01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:56,320 residents. The gentleman took a month. 2790 01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:58,400 He came back and I don't believe he had 2791 01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:01,040 two people in the room protesting 2792 01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:03,360 anymore. Once everyone heard what your 2793 01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:06,960 real plan was, he went out and reached 2794 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:08,960 out to residents and it shifted the 2795 01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:12,080 whole dynamics of the room. Every one of 2796 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:13,920 us sitting up here were taking me 2797 01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:17,599 sitting at PNZ. Russell, you may be on 2798 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:19,679 PNZ at the time. Nope. But it changed 2799 01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:22,320 the dynamics. I think a little more 2800 01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:25,199 homework with the residents and make it 2801 01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:28,239 clear what you're doing and it's these 2802 01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:30,560 surprises that's catching people. But 2803 01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:32,880 council, it's y'all's pleasure. 2804 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,560 » Now, I think it's appropriate to to for 2805 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:37,920 PNZ to hear it again and all the 2806 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:40,000 changes. I do want to commend staff on 2807 01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:45,119 taking into account uh what they're 2808 01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:47,440 hearing and um responding positively um 2809 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:50,159 on both for the both the applicant and 2810 01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:52,080 the residents. Uh because that's you 2811 01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:55,080 know that's what it takes to make a city 2812 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:55,080 work. 2813 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,920 » Shell Ginger need a motion. 2814 01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:02,000 » What type of motion do we need to send 2815 01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:03,840 it back to PNZ? 2816 02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:07,320 Uh, it would just be a motion to refer 2817 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:07,320 back to PNZ. 2818 02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:12,080 » If if y'all decide if you want to make a 2819 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:14,000 motion for approval or denial, that is 2820 02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,440 certainly 2821 02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:18,080 y'all's prerogative. 2822 02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:20,880 » I'd like to move public hearing. 2823 02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:23,440 » Oh, have we had a public hearing? 2824 02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:26,480 » Oh, need to open a public hearing. I'm 2825 02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:28,480 sorry. Thank you. 2826 02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:30,400 Do we need to postpone the date certain 2827 02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,080 or anything so that we don't or do we 2828 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:35,960 have to go back for renotification? I 2829 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,960 want to try to make it easy. 2830 02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:44,880 » If we do it date certain then 2831 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:47,599 notification wouldn't have to be redone. 2832 02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:49,360 » Do you agree? 2833 02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:50,560 » Let me open a public hearing anise while 2834 02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,360 you think about it. Okay, 2835 02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:52,960 » Sounds good. 2836 02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:55,679 » This time we'll open a public hearing to 2837 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:57,840 item six. This is possible action 2838 02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:59,840 regarding an application for a zoning 2839 02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:01,679 map amendment. 2840 02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:04,639 Is there anyone here that would like to 2841 02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:08,000 speak to this item hearing? And seeing 2842 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:11,520 none, we'll close the public hearing. 2843 02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:13,840 I gave them all a 10 seconds, but 2844 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:16,560 do y'all and I know you're going through 2845 02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:18,320 due diligence and process. Is that going 2846 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:20,800 to just blow this thing up for you or 2847 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:23,360 y'all still able to work? Okay. We don't 2848 02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:25,840 want to make it any harder than what it 2849 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,840 is. 2850 02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:32,080 So, uh, we've already with tonight's 2851 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:33,760 meeting, it's the second public hearing 2852 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:36,719 that was in the notice. So, y'all can 2853 02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:38,239 just refer it. It the desire is to refer 2854 02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:40,880 it back to PNZ. It doesn't have to be 2855 02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:42,880 date certain. 2856 02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:44,800 » Okay. 2857 02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:48,239 » I would like to move that business 2858 02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:51,599 agenda item number six be referred back 2859 02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:53,840 to Planning and Zoning Commission. 2860 02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:56,639 » Second. Got a motion. Second. Any 2861 02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:57,840 further discussion? 2862 02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:58,719 All those in favor? 2863 02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:01,280 » I 2864 02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:03,119 » Opposed. Passes. It'll get a little 2865 02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:04,480 tricky with calendarers on how quick 2866 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:06,560 they can get it on their agenda, but 2867 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:08,320 they will work on it so that the posting 2868 02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:10,400 is as quick as possible. I'm not sure 2869 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:12,639 when their meeting is and then it'll 2870 02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:16,080 come back to us the next meeting after 2871 02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:19,119 that or 10 days later. 2872 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:20,719 » Okay. Thank y'all. 2873 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:23,920 » We're going to get there 2874 02:02:20,719 --> 02:02:27,239 » Somehow. We'll work it out. 2875 02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:27,239 Thank you. 2876 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:30,159 » It looks really, really nice. 2877 02:02:29,679 --> 02:02:31,040 » Yes, 2878 02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:34,719 » It very exciting. 2879 02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:36,880 » I think it'll be great. 2880 02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:39,280 » All right, 2881 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:41,520 and we're back to Talen's back on the 2882 02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:43,520 dis. We're at [clears throat] item 2883 02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:45,360 number seven, discussion and possible 2884 02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,960 action to approve an engineering service 2885 02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:50,000 agreement between the city of Dripping 2886 02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:52,080 Springs and Burgess Knif, Inc. to obtain 2887 02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:54,080 professional engineering services for 2888 02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:56,400 the design, construction, and planning, 2889 02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:59,199 acquiring, extending, upgrading, 2890 02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:01,760 renovating, rehabilitating, replacing, 2891 02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:04,560 and improving of the city's wastewater 2892 02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:06,880 system. Really? 2893 02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:08,960 And this is all to be funded or to be 2894 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:10,880 funded may be funded through the Texas 2895 02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:13,199 Water Development Board and other state 2896 02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:16,345 or federal funding programs. Do y'all 2897 02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:18,365 want to send this back to PNZ? 2898 02:03:16,345 --> 02:03:18,365 [laughter] 2899 02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:21,599 Who's giving the report? 2900 02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:23,520 » I'll give a 2901 02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:25,280 » Brief report on this one. So, items 2902 02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:28,800 seven, eight, and nine on your agenda 2903 02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:31,440 are all contracts um related to water 2904 02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:36,159 development board funding. Um we did an 2905 02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:38,639 RFQ uh back in December of 25 uh in the 2906 02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:40,159 anticipation of getting awarded the 2907 02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:44,000 funding from water development board 2908 02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:45,840 that we just got in July. Um, 2909 02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,599 Burgess and Knipel is the first contract 2910 02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:50,880 item number seven. Uh, they were 2911 02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:53,520 selected uh, as the engineer uh, through 2912 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,119 that RFQ process. Um, so now we're 2913 02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:57,520 coming forward since we did receive the 2914 02:03:55,119 --> 02:04:00,520 funding with contract for their 2915 02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:00,520 services. 2916 02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:06,480 » Do we need to take these all separately? 2917 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:08,880 » You can certainly combine them. 2918 02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:13,360 » We can combine them. Do I need to call 2919 02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:15,520 them all out individually or 8 n and 7 8 2920 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:17,440 and nine? Is that good enough? I'm 2921 02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:21,119 looking for a motion on item 7, eight, 2922 02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:23,280 and nine or discussion. 2923 02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:25,199 » Can I admit that my brain was still on 2924 02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:26,960 the last item and I would ask for you to 2925 02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:28,480 restate your staff report. 2926 02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:30,080 » Okay. [laughter] 2927 02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,520 » You're fine. 2928 02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:33,440 » You're fine. Off and on. 2929 02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:36,639 » She was taking the trash and my candy. 2930 02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:40,000 » Yeah. So items seven, eight, and nine 2931 02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:42,000 are that's okay. Uh contracts uh related 2932 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:44,400 to water development board funding that 2933 02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:47,760 we just received in July. So back in 2934 02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:49,760 December of 25, we were in the process 2935 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:51,280 of applying for funding from water 2936 02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,040 development board. We were being 2937 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:55,040 proactive. So we went ahead and did the 2938 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:58,239 required solicitation 2939 02:04:55,040 --> 02:05:00,239 uh for engineering uh financial advisor 2940 02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:03,840 and bond council. So those are the three 2941 02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:05,440 contracts that you see uh here. Um, we 2942 02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:06,880 did receive our funding in July from 2943 02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:09,520 Water Development Board. And so now 2944 02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:13,199 we're ready to uh go with the contracts 2945 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:17,599 for the the uh re for the contractors 2946 02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:19,440 that y'all selected uh back in February. 2947 02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:20,000 » So not new people, same people, 2948 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:21,920 familiar. 2949 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:25,840 » It is the same people. Yes. Familiar 2950 02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:27,520 with our our uh wastewater project. 2951 02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:29,679 » Then I would make a motion that we 2952 02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,360 approve items number seven, eight, and 2953 02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:33,520 nine. 2954 02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:35,280 » Second. Any 2955 02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:37,199 discussion? And we do have 2956 02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:39,280 representative from Burgess Nipel here. 2957 02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:40,080 And Frank, I don't know your last name. 2958 02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:43,520 » Failed. 2959 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:44,480 » Failed. Frank's are you new with Burgess 2960 02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,960 Knipel? 2961 02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:48,159 » You are right. Just couple of months. 2962 02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:48,719 » I've been doing this for a long time 2963 02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:50,719 now. 2964 02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:52,800 » And Bill Ball. So they're here to answer 2965 02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:54,159 any questions. We've got a motion. We've 2966 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:56,400 got a second. Is there any other 2967 02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:57,920 discussion? 2968 02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,119 All those in favor? 2969 02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:01,440 » I. 2970 02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:04,400 » Items carry. 2971 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,920 Item 10, discuss and possible action to 2972 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,239 approve a change order number one for 2973 02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:10,320 the south collector project to include 2974 02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:13,199 optional bid items number one and two 2975 02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:14,960 for clearing grubbing silk fencing. Upon 2976 02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:17,280 approval, change order number one will 2977 02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:19,040 become effective upon execution of the 2978 02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:21,280 awarded construction contract between 2979 02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:24,080 the city of Dripping Springs and Santa 2980 02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:26,297 Clara Construction Limited for the south 2981 02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:27,040 collector project. 2982 02:06:26,297 --> 02:06:29,840 [clears throat] 2983 02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:31,280 Council, thanks for having me. So, we're 2984 02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,639 talking about the South Collector 2985 02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:34,880 Project, which I brought through council 2986 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:36,480 not too long ago. Um, the parties on 2987 02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:39,599 this project are city dripping springs 2988 02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:40,960 in Santa Clara construction. Um, of 2989 02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:43,280 course, this is going to be funded by 2990 02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:45,520 Texas Water Development Board funding. 2991 02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:47,520 Um, one of the funding requirements is 2992 02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:50,480 we need to do a golden cheek wobbler 2993 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:54,000 bird survey. Um, and those requirements 2994 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:55,199 end on September 15th. Um, associated 2995 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,880 projects that go with this are the 2996 02:06:55,199 --> 02:07:00,000 driftwood treated affluent line and the 2997 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:02,079 east interceptor. Um and so yeah, we had 2998 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:06,320 the approval for this contract on the 2999 02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:08,159 July 21st um council meeting. Um and 3000 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:12,480 notice of award to better went out July 3001 02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:15,040 28th. Um originally this contract had uh 3002 02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:16,560 we we had these two bid items that I I'm 3003 02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:19,199 presenting today, which is clearing and 3004 02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:21,760 grubbing and silt fencing on the along 3005 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:23,840 the easement. Um originally we had them 3006 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:26,560 as alternate bid items in the contract. 3007 02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:28,079 Um, we were in the process and I know 3008 02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:30,079 when I brought this to council, we were 3009 02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:31,599 kind of on the fence whether um, this 3010 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:33,040 would be part of the driftwood treated 3011 02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:35,599 ethylent line or part of the south 3012 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:37,040 collector project. Um, as we get closer 3013 02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:41,280 to the project, it looks like it's going 3014 02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:44,480 to be on the city to u, the proposal is 3015 02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:47,199 to change order these two items into the 3016 02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:50,639 contract upon execution of the south 3017 02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:52,079 collector project. Um, we do have a 10% 3018 02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:53,679 contingency, but we'd like to change 3019 02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:55,840 order this in. So, we still have that 3020 02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:58,719 effective when we start construction to 3021 02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,639 move move construction forward. So, um 3022 02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:02,480 our anticipated construction start date 3023 02:08:00,639 --> 02:08:05,520 when I presented to y'all originally was 3024 02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:07,599 August 12th. Our new construction start 3025 02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,920 date is September 16th is the 3026 02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:11,920 anticipated start date. Um we do have 3027 02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:13,520 those contracts in hand and we are 3028 02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:16,239 working on getting them executed 3029 02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:18,960 currently. Um substantial completion 300 3030 02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:20,639 days um which puts us around July 13, 3031 02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:23,440 2027. 3032 02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:25,840 Um stack re staff recommendation on this 3033 02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:27,440 u would be approve approval authorizing 3034 02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,599 city administrator to execute this 3035 02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:31,280 change order contingent upon the 3036 02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:36,320 execution of the construction contract 3037 02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:38,880 with Santa Clara Construction LTD. 3038 02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:41,679 Do y'all have any questions on this 3039 02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:44,560 project? 3040 02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:48,320 » I'm not immediately following where 3041 02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:50,560 Santa Clara contract fits into this. Did 3042 02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:52,719 you address that? And I'm Yes. So this 3043 02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:55,280 is the the South Collector Project. We 3044 02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:58,400 awarded Santa Clara the South Collector 3045 02:08:55,280 --> 02:09:00,560 Project. Um we when we took that out to 3046 02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:03,760 bid, we gave alternate bid items for 3047 02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:05,360 these two items here. Um you know, so 3048 02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:07,040 this project both has the driftwood 3049 02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:09,280 treated effluent line and the south 3050 02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:11,040 collector in the same easement. And 3051 02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:13,280 originally we were in discussions about 3052 02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:16,880 driftwood doing the tree clearing, silt 3053 02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:18,800 fencing going into this project um 3054 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:20,960 through kind of looking back at the 3055 02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:23,119 agreements. And so I went to you with 3056 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:26,000 that originally and so we left them off 3057 02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:27,920 the original approval. Um after looking 3058 02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,679 at agreements and kind of working with 3059 02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:32,960 the land owner, there's been a 3060 02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:34,939 withdrawal from Driftwood's side and so 3061 02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:36,560 we're looking to get the project 3062 02:09:34,939 --> 02:09:38,079 [clears throat] started with Santa Clara 3063 02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:41,119 so we could go ahead and put the south 3064 02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:42,560 collector in and then um we'll have to 3065 02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:44,239 come back with a treated affluent line 3066 02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:46,560 later. So in order to do that, we need 3067 02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:48,639 to clear the easement and establish 3068 02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:51,040 erosion controls. 3069 02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:52,480 So, how is the Santa Clara agreement 3070 02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,840 going to get approved? 3071 02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:56,239 » It's already been approved. 3072 02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:57,040 » That one was approved on July 21st. 3073 02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,639 » So, this is a change. 3074 02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:02,000 » It just hasn't been signed. 3075 02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:03,599 » It's being circulated for signatures 3076 02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,360 now. Um and 3077 02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:06,880 » There's no nothing outstanding on it. 3078 02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,159 Y'all just need signatures on 3079 02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:08,719 » Just signatures. Um 3080 02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:11,599 » Okay. 3081 02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:13,840 » And then this change order for the for 3082 02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:14,400 them to do the clearing silt fence. 3083 02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,079 Okay. So, 3084 02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:18,960 » It's kind of a preemptive change order, 3085 02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:18,960 if you will. 3086 02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:22,960 Why did Driftwood not want to take on 3087 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,079 item one and two, the clearing and 3088 02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,719 grabbing the silk fence? 3089 02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:28,400 » Right. I'll jump in. It It really was 3090 02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:30,880 not a Driftwood issue. It's the 3091 02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:35,199 landowner and requirements that they had 3092 02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:38,000 for insurance and access and um we were 3093 02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:40,719 kind of anticipating some of this and 3094 02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:45,199 that's why when we bid it out we did uh 3095 02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:47,119 add alternates. Yeah. Um, so after con 3096 02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:48,400 continuing that NE negotiation and then 3097 02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:50,159 finally wrapping it up with that 3098 02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,599 landowner, we brought two different 3099 02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:53,679 agreements to y'all within the last 3100 02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:56,159 month with them. Uh, it just became very 3101 02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:59,199 clear the cleanest way to do this is for 3102 02:10:56,159 --> 02:11:01,840 us to do it. Um, yeah. 3103 02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:03,840 » Do we need to state the amount in the 3104 02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:05,599 motion 3105 02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:07,360 the way that it's done in the staff 3106 02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:08,960 report? 3107 02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:10,320 » I did not add that to my recommendation. 3108 02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,560 I think just by stating that you're 3109 02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:13,920 approving change order one that that's 3110 02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,679 the amount. I don't think you have to 3111 02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:17,520 say the specific amount. 3112 02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:20,480 » Are we ready for a motion or do we have 3113 02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:21,360 more questions? 3114 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:22,960 » Ready for a motion? 3115 02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:25,760 » Okay, then I'll make a motion that we 3116 02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:27,840 approve change order one contingent upon 3117 02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:29,760 execution of the contract with Santa 3118 02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,480 Clara Construction. 3119 02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:32,719 » Second. 3120 02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,840 » Motion second. Any discussion? 3121 02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:34,639 » All those in favor? 3122 02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,159 » I 3123 02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:37,760 » Oppose. 3124 02:11:36,159 --> 02:11:38,719 Item carries 3125 02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,320 » And thank you for that 3126 02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:42,159 » That extra explanation 3127 02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:43,679 » Discussion discussion and possible 3128 02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:46,320 action regarding the appointment of 3129 02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:48,079 Bruce Molton as the representative of 3130 02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:50,159 Hayes Trinity Groundwater Conservation 3131 02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:51,920 District to the utility commission and 3132 02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:54,639 the reappoint of Charlie Boseby for 3133 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:55,760 terms ending June 30th 2028. Thank you 3134 02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:58,880 gentlemen. 3135 02:11:55,760 --> 02:12:00,719 » Thank you. 3136 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:03,119 » This is a recommendation from Hayes 3137 02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:04,560 Trinity. They have one or two 3138 02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:05,360 appointments on the utility commission. 3139 02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,840 have two 3140 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:11,280 » Two appointments. One of the terms is up 3141 02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:14,239 and they have recommended Bruce Molton 3142 02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:15,920 and Charlie Busby is the current chair 3143 02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:19,401 and this is a recommendation to 3144 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:19,401 reappoint him. [snorts] 3145 02:12:20,159 --> 02:12:25,840 » Is there any information we need at all? 3146 02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:29,040 No. Then I'll make a motion that we 3147 02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:30,480 appoint Bruce Molton and reappoint 3148 02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:32,480 Charlie Busby. 3149 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:34,880 » Got a motion. Do we have a second? 3150 02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:37,040 » Second. Any discussion? 3151 02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:39,440 » Um, just for staff, I see their agenda 3152 02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:40,960 in there for the Haz Trinity Groundwater 3153 02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:42,880 Conservation District. Can we get a copy 3154 02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:44,800 of their minutes from that meeting? 3155 02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:46,719 » I'm sure we will when they get approved. 3156 02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,679 Um, we will get that. We did get a 3157 02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:48,560 letter from them as well. 3158 02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:49,520 » We requested that. 3159 02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:53,560 » Yeah. 3160 02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:53,560 » Yeah. Perfect. That's it. 3161 02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:57,760 » Got a motion, a second. Any other 3162 02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,320 discussion? All those in favor? 3163 02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,000 » I 3164 02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:01,920 » Opposed. 3165 02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:05,197 Item carries. 3166 02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:06,480 Item 12, this would be Chase discussion, 3167 02:13:05,197 --> 02:13:08,960 [snorts] possible action regarding 3168 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:11,840 approval of employee benefits plans for 3169 02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:14,239 medical, dental, life policies, the city 3170 02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:17,679 of Dripping Springs, and authorize the 3171 02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:20,159 mayor to finalize the agreement. 3172 02:13:17,679 --> 02:13:23,360 » Hello, sir. Yes. Good evening, Mayor 3173 02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:27,119 Council. This was uh move to the next 3174 02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:28,960 item. This was we received we went out 3175 02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:32,079 to bids for our healthc care benefits 3176 02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:35,119 and we received Oh, there we go. I think 3177 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:36,800 we clicked here. 3178 02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:37,199 » No, I clicked too much. 3179 02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:39,760 » There you go. 3180 02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:42,159 » There we go. Okay. So, uh our bids went 3181 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:46,480 out for healthcare. Uh we received that 3182 02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:49,679 uh this month. Um upon the results of 3183 02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:51,760 the bids, uh good news and bad news. Uh 3184 02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:54,977 bad news, 3185 02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:56,320 well good news first. We are loss ratio. 3186 02:13:54,977 --> 02:13:59,440 [laughter] Let's go with the good news, 3187 02:13:56,320 --> 02:14:02,719 right? And then then we'll news we sugar 3188 02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:05,520 coat it first make it easier for you. So 3189 02:14:02,719 --> 02:14:08,320 for the the good news is our loss ratio. 3190 02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:12,719 This is what healthcare providers uh do 3191 02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:14,800 u each year. Uh our loss ratio was 78%. 3192 02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:17,199 Which is a significant improvement over 3193 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:21,119 years past. To give you some context, we 3194 02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:24,400 were 132 3 years ago, last year 97, now 3195 02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:28,560 78. bad news. Uh health care costs have 3196 02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:31,520 risen, so our uh rates will increase. Um 3197 02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:34,639 bottom line, we 3198 02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:36,639 uh recommend going back. We have current 3199 02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:38,719 uh sticking with our current United 3200 02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:41,520 Healthcare, which is our provider. uh 3201 02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:45,599 based on the uh rates that we received 3202 02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:47,920 back it is increased cost um in which 3203 02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:51,040 we've highlighted I think it in the 3204 02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:54,079 agenda packet but um this is for the 3205 02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:56,480 most part be the same 3206 02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:58,960 medical plan uh no difference in terms 3207 02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:01,760 of the network in addition to the uh 3208 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:05,400 provider uh same dental and vision which 3209 02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:05,400 is going to be through guardian 3210 02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:10,159 » Questions 3211 02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:12,719 good news also So is even with this 3212 02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:15,679 increase, we've got it in the budget. 3213 02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:17,760 » It's a it's a we budgeted for a 20% 3214 02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:18,800 increase. This was significantly lower 3215 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:20,639 than that 20% increase. 3216 02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:22,880 » So we'll have a little savings budget 3217 02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:25,599 » Amount. A little bit. Yes, we did switch 3218 02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:27,760 some things from the rates to the HSAs 3219 02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:29,040 that were funding like we did last year. 3220 02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:32,000 So 3221 02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:33,440 » But it's all covered. 3222 02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:35,920 Mayor, were you a part of the planning 3223 02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:38,400 with them and did you get to see like um 3224 02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:40,000 when comparing different plans with 3225 02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:42,800 benefits or stuff like that? Okay, cool. 3226 02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:45,360 » Yes, we had two different meetings where 3227 02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:47,199 we went through it till our eyes were 3228 02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:49,599 kind of cross-sided looking at all the 3229 02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:53,079 different options and staff had looked 3230 02:15:49,599 --> 02:15:53,079 at the floor. 3231 02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:58,079 » Are we ready? 3232 02:15:55,840 --> 02:16:01,599 » I'll make a motion that we approve the 3233 02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:02,719 employee benefit plan as presented. 3234 02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:05,679 Second. 3235 02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:09,440 » Motion second. Any discussion? All those 3236 02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:13,520 in favor? I 3237 02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:16,560 » Motion carries. I've sat up here for 20 3238 02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:19,199 some odd years. This may be one of the 3239 02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:23,040 first meetings. We have not had anything 3240 02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:25,599 listed under close session. 3241 02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:27,440 » Congratulations, staff. [laughter] 3242 02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:29,040 We haven't actually gone into close 3243 02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:31,119 session, but it's the first one where 3244 02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:34,080 there wasn't anything listed. 3245 02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:35,679 » We're looking for that last motion to 3246 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,000 » Got a motion to adjourn by Talen. Do we 3247 02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:40,559 have 3248 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:44,880 » Second? And all those in favor? We are a 3249 02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:44,880 journey. [laughter] I didn't I