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whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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[ individuals: I do ] >> application dr-2025-0002

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request for design review approval for the development of

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a new project called main street exchange.

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we've been waiting for this for a long time.

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consisting of a three or four-story mixed-use building,

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comprising an 89-room boutique hotel, marketplace, theater,

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food hall, restaurants, social establishments, retail spaces,

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and a parking garage on a 1.78-acre parcel located at 830

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douglas avenue. Has anyone had any ex parte

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communications regarding this item?

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[ members:no ] >> thank you.

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george? >> mr. Chairman, thank you.

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members of the board, committee, lpa, george kinney.

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since this is in the downtown core area, also seated to my

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right is my colleague, bob ironsmith from the economic

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development commission. If it's all right we'll quickly

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go through a power point and hit on the land development code

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provisions of the project. I'll turn it over to bob, who

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will talk about the economic aspect of it.

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the applicant is here with their team.

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they're prepared to present a presentation to you all, as

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well. Again, thank you to the lpa for

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this consideration. This is application

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dr-2025-0002, as was noted by the chair.

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this is a design review approval for the main street exchange.

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bill mazas along with krikor kassarjian, I believe.

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830 douglas avenue in dunedin, florida.

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it's approximately 1.78-acre site.

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land use plan and zoning plan, I'll get into, in a little more

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detail, in following slides. The existing use, as most of you

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know, is a vacant three-story office building and parking

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eafer. Thearea.

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the aerial in this slide shows you where it's located off main

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street and douglas. To the rear is mu monroe street.

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it does face three public rights of way.

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very quickly, on the project description, again, the main

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street exchange will consist of a three and four-story mixed-use

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building comprised of 89 boutique hotel rooms, a

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marketplace, theater, food hall, restaurants, social

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establishments, retail spaces, and a parking garage, as was

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mentioned. You can see one of the

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renderings center to the screen there.

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and then you'll see a street view to the lower left.

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and a survey to the upper right. From a land use land

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perspective, this acreage is comprised of two separate

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parcels. The parcel against main street

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and the parcel against monroe street.

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the black line separates those two parcels.

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it is, however, entirely under one land use designation.

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that is the activity center designation.

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this activity center designation permits up to 30 dwelling units

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per acre for temporary lodging, it goes up to 50 units per eric.

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there's no -- and a maxim maximm impervious surface ratio.

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from a zoning po standpoint, it is in the downtown core.

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street type a and street type c. There are some minor

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distinctions between what can happen in those two categories

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with regard to height. I'll get into that in one

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minute. Again, the height request for

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the street type c portion of the parcel, I'll defer that to the

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next slide. There is a step-back requirement

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the board is aware of that's required for any project in the

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downtown core that exceeds two stories in height.

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ten-footstep-back requirement. There are some iterations to

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that that I'll also speak to very quickly.

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the hotel rental unit minimum floor area of 300 square feet

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and maximum floor area of 600 square feet for all 89 rooms do

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comply with that special requirement in the land

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development code. This is just a breakdown of that

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street type I was mentioning. Street type c is to the rear

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against monroe as you see in the slide to the right.

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the difference between that and the street type a from a height

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perspective is street type c, you can ask for with commission

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approval a fourth floor, up to 43 feet in height.

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the applicant is requesting that as part of this application.

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for the type a portion of the parcel, maximum height is

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36 feet. This plan does comply with both

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of those height requirements. From a compatibility

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perspective, I'll spend just a minute on this.

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the surrounding properties are all zoned downtown core.

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it's consistent with what the zone is.

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existing development on the surrounding urban downtown

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activity area is a varied mix of one, two, and three and

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four-story buildings with residential and mixed uses.

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mixed-use developments are encouraged in this category in

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the activity center land use. A mixed-use development with a

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variety of permitted uses, including boutique, marketplace,

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food hall, theater, and all these things that are part of

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this particular ask are encouraged by the downtown core

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zoning and through our economic development perspectives.

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from a design standards standpoint, as you know, each

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design review must be thoroughly vetted against design standards

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outlined in the land development code.

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I'm going to walk through a couple of them.

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they are compliant with all of them.

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I'll provide a little bit of detail to each with respect to

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the open common space, vertical mixed-use developments are

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required 50 square feet per 1,000 square feet of

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nonresidential space. Total square footage for this is

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roughly 117,745 square feet. So at least 5,888 square feet of

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open space must be provided. The applicants are providing

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more than 6,000 square feet. From a parking, loading and

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stacking standpoint, all street loading, parking and stacking

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are provided. I'm sure the applicant will show

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you a little bit of that in their presentation as well.

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they did provide for a transit pull-off area and for bicycle

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and golf cart amenities. You'll see that as part of their

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site plan. Off-street parking requirement,

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to satisfy that, the main street exchange plans to operate a

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valet service between ground parking area and 318-space

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parking garage that is to be built 700 feet north of this

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project area and south of skinner at 968 douglas avenue.

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125 spaces in the new parking garage will be dedicated to the

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valet parking operation. Which will ultimately result in

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a 36-space surplus for the project.

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applicant has indicated that a significant number of employees

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working at the main street exchange will be required to

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park at the off-site garage to free up parking for hotel guests

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and customers. So, as part of this, there is

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what's called a resiprical or revocable parking agreement.

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it's part of your package that will be going forward to the

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city commission, which ties these two buildings together.

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from an architectural style standpoint, the applicant has

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opted to utilize an alternative architectural style.

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I'm sheufer they'll talk more about it in their presentation.

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basically they married a number of different styles to create

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the style that you see in the renderings in part of the backup

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in exhibit a. Predevelopment score of 122

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points was obtained. Only 100 is required.

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we're comfortable they'll meet that provision.

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from a public art perspective, as the board knows, any project

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requires .5% of the total project cost to be dedicated to

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public art. In this case, the applicant has

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at least initially indicated that art will be placed on site

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as opposed to a payment into the public art fund.

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I wanted to hit quickly on the citizen participation plan.

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one is not required here. I want to compliment the

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developer to getting out in the public and getting this project

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widely considered by a number of different groups.

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bob will talk about some of the participation they had at the

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cra meetings, chamber of commerce and other folks.

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they have been out there. They've really responded to all

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of the comments they've received to this point.

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and particularly to staff comments.

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from a traffic impact analysis standpoint, this project --

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there is a chart in your staffing where you can -- it

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talks about the daily trips. And it looks at the net

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difference between the existing site and what the proposal will

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be. That net difference is about

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3,659 trips with 567 of those trips being am/pm peak trips.

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because this project generates more than 300 peak trips, we did

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have to do a peer review. We have our peer review, jerry,

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in the audience. He performed the peer review on

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behalf of the city. If you have questions about that

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peer review, happy to bring him up as well.

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although I don't think he really (inaudible).

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we'll make him if he has to. So that's really it.

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that kind of hits the design standard evaluation.

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again, a little bit on the traffic and parking.

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I kind of went over it. I wanted to show you a picture

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of that parking garage that they're planning up the street.

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the valet parking is proposed by the parking garage.

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through a revocable parking agreement they will then tie

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that to the project study. Additional multimodal inclusions

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for the project overall have been included, including some

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deeper sidewalks. Again, transit, bicycle and golf

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cart amenities. Some additional detail that was

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offered by the applicant. I believe it's in exhibit I,

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some of that detail. A compatibility statement and

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exhibit showing the height and mass of the surrounding

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structures. Some of those bicycle and golf

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cart provisions or amenities to be included in the project.

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they also provided some commitments or responses related

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to undergrounding of utilities. They provided estimates on

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delivery vehicle sizes, types and frequency of deliveries.

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there are narratives for justification to go to the

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commission and ask for that four-story, for that type c

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street portion towards monroe. And a waiver of the passageway

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requirements. Justification for -- they are

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also requesting -- I wouldn't say a waiver to the

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ten-footstep-back but a modification.

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in some places they do step back.

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but in other places they architecturally configured it.

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so they are asking for a ten-footstep-back but the waiver

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is in your packet with no objection from staff.

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they included some amenities, which will be open to the public

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versus hotel guests only. They also provided a fiscal

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impact memorandum. As I mentioned, they have been

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to the development review committee as required for design

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review. They've been to the

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architectural review committee and really responded to

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everything that they've asked of them.

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staff determination perspective, staff finds application

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dr-2025-0002 for design review is consistent with the

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applicable review criteria for approval subject to the

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following conditions. They are standard conditions.

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applicant/developer is responsible for meeting the

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minimum criteria for the land development code and acquiring

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all the jurisdictional permits and approvals.

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construction plan shall be consistent with the approved

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design review plans and drawings.

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city commission approval of the revocable parking requirement

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agreement for the valet parking operation as a means of

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satisfying off-street parking requirements.

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and it shall expire in 12 months if it's not approved in that

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time. >> bob ironsmith.

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downtown economic director. There are great projects we've

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had recently in our downtown. One is victoria place.

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I call them signature redevelopment initiatives.

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this is another signature project.

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this is one that there have been past developments that we wanted

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to get going. Didn't quite happen on this

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project for a number of reasons. This one checks all the right

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boxes for us. It has gone before the cra

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advisory a couple of times and received their approval

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unanimously for it. We look at this project from the

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regulatory perspective, but what other boxes does it check?

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a hotel is very attractive in the downtown environment.

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what we call a captive market. Those 89 hotel guests, they're

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going to the restaurants, cafes, stores and retail.

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they actually help preserve the small-town feel.

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otherwise, what you're going to see is a lot of restaurants,

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different breweries. You want a balance.

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to make others successful, like the book store, you want that

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captive market. The hotel kind of provides that.

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the food hall with the culinary kiosks, that's a different

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experience, which attracts a lot of people.

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and is very interesting. The developer, bill mazas, and

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his team, have put together an interesting project.

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it's just something which is an activity engine for us.

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you have to remember, this has been kind of sort of a dead

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zone. Nothing has happened on this

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property for as long as -- geez, I've been here almost 30 --

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well, 30 years. I can remember ocean optics had

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an office in here. After that, it's been dormant

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for a long period of time. This is what we call adaptive

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reuse. Changing the nature of it.

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making something that's interesting for the downtown.

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something people want to go to. Signature project like victoria

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place. This is what we feel this is

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going to be. We like the u-shape of it.

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it has an open courtyard. It doesn't overpower main

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street, another great feel. The developer has really

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invested quite a bit and given a lot of thought to it.

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he has prepared these renderings.

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as george has mentioned, they purchased the old art incuba it,

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o, r for parking. He recognized he needed

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additional parking for this project.

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there's going to be sop additional public parking that

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will be available, too. We are thankful for him doing

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that. All in all, this is something

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that I think is long-time in the waiting.

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something that will mean a lot for downtown.

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it goes to the nature with the cra, with the downtown

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improvements we created an environment that's conducive for

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this type of investment. We created these capital

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projects. Currently at the city and

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downtown, we're investing over 25 million in the capital

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projects approximate this is what we're getting attracted.

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and there are other projects looking to come on board

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downtown. This ties in very, very nicely.

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it also takes -- really looks at the opportunity for walkability.

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we want something walkability. Hotel guests will stay here.

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they can walk east, west, north, south.

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that's what we want to see. Have the valet parking 700 feet

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away is very good. George mentioned earlier, which

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I think is important to note, the previous building that was

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here was a bank. Deborah probably remembers it.

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first federal or something like that.

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this current building is 41-feet tall.

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this project is going to be 43 feet tall with a step-back

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with the fourth floor. That's also very important,

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which george just kind of mentioned.

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you can really appreciate and like the presentation by the

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developer and his team. I'm here to answer any

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questions. This checks all the boxes we're

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looking for. >> lpa any questions of the

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staff? >> bob, we're going to be losing

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parking space during the demolition of the ocean optics

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property, 55 spots? >> yeah.

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>> how is the timeline of the construction of the new ramp?

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and what will be the gain for the public once that's

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available? >> lose about 55, which we

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currently lease from the developer, ocean optics.

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prime parking spots. We still have some underutilized

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parking. He will get his parking garage

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built first. So another 125 available for the

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public. We're continuing to move forward

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with the downtown city public parking lot on scotland and

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douglas. We're a year and a half away or

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so on that one. Near-term, him building that

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parking garage will take care of this situation.

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>> so your answer is he's going to build the new parking garage

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before he builds the other project?

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>> I'm going to let him speak. He's looking to going forward

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with the parking garage. In for site plan review right

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now. He's moving quickly with that.

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build this project, I'll let him talk, will take some time.

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I imagine y he will have this parking garage up and running.

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there will be a time period where there's no parking in

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front of ocean optics during this transition.

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no question about it. People will have to park in the

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parking garage or other lots we have available.

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initially, it will be -- people will get a little inconvenient.

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we saw that with skinner boulevard, too, and what the end

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product is we saw when it turns out.

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>> blearvbelieve it or not, I he another question.

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construction, for the buildings, pilings, footings?

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construction hours given the amount of residents hearing

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construction noise during the construction.

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>> I'm going to defer to the developer.

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george can talk about the business hours.

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there is a code requirement on that.

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>> yeah. Provisions in there for the

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hours of operation. You can ask for exceptions for

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that for unique situations through the city manager.

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I anticipate that they'll follow the noise ordinance.

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>> you know, everything is different construction.

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we didn't see much with the artisan.

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>> I have a question for construction, george.

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will this require any road closures?

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or is it something -- [ speaker off mic ]

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>> I haven't talked about any road closures with this.

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we're pretty strong that we're going to work in a way we don't

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see that kind of disruption. >> I just didn't know if you

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asked for any road closure. >> it's a fair question.

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the parking lot, there was talk about road closure.

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a permanent road closure. We need to work something out.

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that's something that needs to be negotiated, and mediated.

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I do. >> is that it?

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soorp. Super.

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let's hear from the representative, please.

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>> good evening, brian aungst, macfarlane, ferguson and

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mcmullen. On behalf of the applicant, bill

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mazas and mazas development. Very excited to present this

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project, main street exchange, to you.

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it uniquely delivers a dunedin downtown experience and builds

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on the cultural, social aspects that have been so successful in

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downtown and in the downtown core over the last several

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decades. This project was dlubtly and

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thoughtfully conceived by aan all-local development team with

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decades and decades of experience.

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and bill mazas, a lifelong resident and business owner.

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his office is directly across the street from the construction

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site. He will be actively managing it.

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next slide, please. The site has a 1976-era vacant

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building. It's not quite an eyesore.

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I would say it's getting eyesore adjacent.

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one beautiful thing about this project and the sister project

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of the parking garage, you're eliminating two eyesore sites.

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in one fell swoop, in one complementary project that will

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instantly revitalize and infuse economic development.

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not only that, the aesthetic and cultural nature will be improved

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by both of these projects. It's a special signature project

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as mr. Ironsmith laid out. Here is the site plan.

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we have our civil engineer here, traffic sc engineer and the own,

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mr. Mazas. It has over a 14-foot sidewalks.

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it invites you into that theater entrance, which will be a

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boutique theater. We have the 89-unit boutique

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hotel. The food hall is seamlessly

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integrated into the pinellas trail.

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we have videos to show you as well.

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we boant belabor the point on the seut plan.

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if you have specific questions on the site plan we can come

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back to this slide. South elevation facing main

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street. Next slide.

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north elevation. Then we're going to go to the

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west elevation. And to the east elevation.

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west elevation is the food hall. That is interacting with the

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pinellas trail. You can see there's multiple

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pedestrian entrances and interaction with the trail.

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next slide, please. You can complete this, george,

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until we get to that. Perfect.

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I'm going to ask our architect to come up and provide some

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testimony regarding the architectural design and

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compatibility of the project. Thank you, john.

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>> good evening, chair, and members of the lpa.

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my name is john pantazas. I'm the architect for main

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street exchange. It's been close to three years

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in planning. As we know, the site sits on a

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prominent location for main street.

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and also is adjacent to the pinellas trail.

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our main focus in this design was to keep the respect of

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dunedin's character. And also bring the downtown core

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vision that everyone had. Our building does comply with

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adaptive zoning. It's already received

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architectural review committee approval.

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since then, we're still refining and still listening to staff

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comments and community feedback. One of the concerns was the

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scale. And obviously it's a prominent

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project. That would be a concern.

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we set the building back on main street.

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we provided public plazas. We broke down the facade.

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we provided multiple expressions with balconies, canopies and

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building materials to reduce that massing.

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and maintain a pedestrian scale experience.

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while the standards and styles are well suited for smaller

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buildings, because of this projproject's mixed use and sizf

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it -- it has the retail, food hall, the theater, and the

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parking deck. It has a roof-top gathering

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space. It has it all.

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it requires a little more flexibility.

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so we took a hybrid of all the styles in the cooper johnson to

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create a pattern that would reflect the eclectic downtown

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fabric to break down the massing.

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we design this had project to activate the street and trail

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and create public gathering spaces.

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we appreciate the city's guidance on this and request

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your support. >> don't go too far, john.

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ual ask hum to talk about the parking garage in a mun.

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yawl see how this will complement and work together.

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the heights in the surrounding area.

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you're familiar with these properties.

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the artisan is right next door, a four-story multi-residential

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condo with retail on the bottom. Several properties are either

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hotels that are three or four stories or multi-family

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residential projects that are three or four stories.

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it's important to note the land use is activity center.

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activity center is where you want to have your most intensive

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multi-use projects. You want live, work, play.

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dunedin has captured that brilliantly.

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this project captures it all together in one extraordinary

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multi-use project. The next slide will show

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additional height comparisons. Again, this would be from the

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last slide. We're very committed to the

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compatibility of the height for this project.

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the maximum height is 43 feet. We'll go through the flexibility

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requested. You can skip to the last bullet

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point at the bottom there, george.

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as we stated, we're requesting city commission approval of four

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feet. The city code allows these

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developments in the downtown core to go to four stories.

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this isn't a variance request. We're not asking to exceed the

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code. We're trying to prove we met the

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conditions to get granted that fourth floor.

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we believe that we have. This is to accommodate the hotel

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rooms, rooftop bar and event hall and those alternative

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accessory spaces. The 10-foot set-back is any

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floor two floors or above is required to be stepped back ten

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feet unless you receive a waiver.

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this site has been architecturally designed with

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extremely interesting modifications.

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balconies, different breakup in the architecture.

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and is interesting from an architectural perspective and

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certainly, we believe, meets that waiver requirement.

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next slide, please. This is a short video.

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this is, obviously, from the douglas side going towards main

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street. And then here is the theater

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entrance on main street. And here you'll see the

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interactivity with the pinellas trail, food hall, landscaping,

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and the very generous pedestrian-oriented aspects.

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now we want to talk about the parking garage, which is

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currently under construction. I do want to answer those

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questions from board members. We've demoed the industrial

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yard. We are going through permitting

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for the parking garage. We're hopeful to have a

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groundbreaking for the parking garage in about a month or so.

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mr. Mazas' goal is to have the parking garage completed in this

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year, 2026. If the main street exchange

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development review is approved, the specific request before the

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board tonight, it will probably take six months to go through

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building permitting. Before we could demo that

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site -- and we're probably going to have our second hearing in

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front of the city commission in april.

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I'm unavailable for the march 18th meeting, by the

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way. I do need to let staff know

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that. That's spring break.

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we'll be out of town with the kids.

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we'll have that in april. That would put you toward the

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end of summer, early fall for the groundbreaking for main

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street exchange, which should be a month or so before the parking

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garage is ready to be open. Obviously, mr. Mazas is

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incentivized to get that parking garage as open as quickly as

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possible. There are no proposed street

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closures for construction for either the parking garage or

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main street exchange. Next slide, please.

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you can go to the end of the last elevation.

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I'll ask mr. Pantazas to come up and describe the architectural

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features related to the parking garage.

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>> yeah. This is an interesting companion

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to the project. We're requesting a second

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parking structure. This will be a separate one, 70.

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it's primarily used for valet and public parking.

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that's the main part of it. Architecturally, the parking

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deck is designed with coastal vernacular in mind, reflecting

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the dunedin character. Decorative brackets.

493
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horizontal layering and mangrove inspired screening effect.

494
00:32:48,302 --> 00:32:56,102
to kind of soften the mass that you typically see for a garage.

495
00:32:56,676 --> 00:33:01,114
light coastal palate is chosen. Whitewash brick elements that

496
00:33:01,114 --> 00:33:05,585
make the structure feel warm and bring it down to a human scale.

497
00:33:05,585 --> 00:33:09,458
I think together, this parking deck, with the main street

498
00:33:09,458 --> 00:33:12,929
exchange, is a well-koord naughted system.

499
00:33:12,929 --> 00:33:16,532
and it will be supporting the downtown activity.

500
00:33:16,532 --> 00:33:23,132
I think it's a very vital key to this whole thing.

501
00:33:27,877 --> 00:33:32,770
I hope you support this. >> excellent work.

502
00:33:32,415 --> 00:33:36,180
architectural -- hopefully you all agree with the arc.

503
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:40,218
the architecture is very well, thoughtfully designed.

504
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,228
I want to show you the breakdown for specific uses.

505
00:33:45,228 --> 00:33:50,166
on site at main street exchange -- there will be 133

506
00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:52,768
spaces and a structured parking garage.

507
00:33:52,768 --> 00:33:55,771
basically the texas doughnut, parking in the middle, in the

508
00:33:55,771 --> 00:33:58,775
center of the building with the uses around that.

509
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:03,713
there are 89 valet spaces in the douglas garage that are required

510
00:34:03,713 --> 00:34:06,716
to meet the code minimum of 222 spaces.

511
00:34:06,716 --> 00:34:10,787
we're actually going to have 36 valet spaces in excess of that.

512
00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:15,591
we'll have a total of 125 valet spaces that are dedicated to

513
00:34:15,591 --> 00:34:19,195
this project. You have 133 spaces in the

514
00:34:19,195 --> 00:34:22,795
project itself. You have 125 valet spaces.

515
00:34:23,266 --> 00:34:29,266
those valet spaces, plans are to first come, first serve.

516
00:34:29,472 --> 00:34:32,742
it won't be restricted to the hotel but whoever is using the

517
00:34:32,742 --> 00:34:38,147
main street exchange will be allowed to valet as that need

518
00:34:38,147 --> 00:34:41,747
comes with the 133 spaces being occupied.

519
00:34:43,553 --> 00:34:47,890
next slide, please. That parking garage, now we're

520
00:34:47,890 --> 00:34:50,890
talking about the 968 douglas parcel.

521
00:34:52,495 --> 00:34:56,950
the stand-alone parking garage has 318 spaces.

522
00:34:56,232 --> 00:35:01,632
we have 125 of those restricted through the revocable parking

523
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,976
agreement for the valet use for the main street exchange.

524
00:35:06,976 --> 00:35:10,113
that leaves 193 additional parking spaces, which more than

525
00:35:10,113 --> 00:35:15,500
makes up for any of the surface parking currently on site.

526
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:19,188
that says city employees. That's a typo.

527
00:35:19,188 --> 00:35:23,993
remaining for the public or businesses, first come, first

528
00:35:23,993 --> 00:35:26,328
serve. I think that is obviously a

529
00:35:26,328 --> 00:35:30,660
very, very, very attractive aspect of this project.

530
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:35,338
the fact that mr. Mazas was automobile to get both sites

531
00:35:35,338 --> 00:35:40,343
under control and develop them in a coordinated manner is a

532
00:35:40,343 --> 00:35:42,344
beneficial aspect of this project.

533
00:35:42,344 --> 00:35:44,880
next slide, please. This is another short video

534
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,880
showing the parking garage. That's the pin pinellas trail s.

535
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,528
part of the pinellas trail that had never been particularly

536
00:35:58,528 --> 00:36:00,497
aesthetically pleasing in my opinion.

537
00:36:00,497 --> 00:36:03,499
this will definitely be an improvement with the

538
00:36:03,499 --> 00:36:06,340
landscaping. Pedestrian and bicycle access to

539
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:08,710
the garage. Similar to the artisan.

540
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:10,440
I'm sure you've all been in that garage.

541
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,575
they've done a good job making that garage connected and

542
00:36:13,575 --> 00:36:17,145
walkable and also having the bicycle parking.

543
00:36:17,145 --> 00:36:20,850
that's the video. I'll ask our traffic engineer

544
00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:24,186
gene cald, ra to come up here on the traffic study.

545
00:36:24,186 --> 00:36:28,386
and we'll be wrapping up here shortly.

546
00:36:28,857 --> 00:36:31,260
>> thank you. Good evening, chairman and

547
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:35,460
fellow board members. Jane caldera, traffic engineer.

548
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,471
I've been practicing traffic engineering in the tampa bay

549
00:36:42,471 --> 00:36:46,710
area and pinellas county for 38 years.

550
00:36:48,844 --> 00:36:52,214
in coordination with staff, we looked at the traffic impacts of

551
00:36:52,214 --> 00:36:55,351
the main street exchange, mixed-use development and at the

552
00:36:55,351 --> 00:36:59,890
same time look at the traffic impacts of the proposed douglas

553
00:36:59,890 --> 00:37:04,690
street parking center and specifically the valet operation

554
00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:07,563
between the two. So what you see in front of you

555
00:37:07,563 --> 00:37:10,700
here, as you're familiar with the area, the main street

556
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:15,837
project is in the lower left. And the parking structure,

557
00:37:15,837 --> 00:37:17,640
approximately 700 feet to the north.

558
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,444
the green dots represent all the different study intersections

559
00:37:21,444 --> 00:37:26,244
that we looked at in the traffic study.

560
00:37:26,849 --> 00:37:32,540
so the traffic generation for the main street exchange

561
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:37,559
mixed-use development, we'll get a.m. And p.m. Peak hours,

562
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:41,397
analyze both conditions. A.m. Peak hour will have the

563
00:37:41,397 --> 00:37:44,700
biggest impact on the adjacent roads.

564
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,404
our estimates are 230 vehicles coming into the project in the

565
00:37:48,404 --> 00:37:54,610
p.m. Peak hour and 192 exiting. So that's just associated with

566
00:37:54,610 --> 00:37:57,345
the project. If you go to the next slide, on

567
00:37:57,345 --> 00:38:02,484
top of that, we're going to add the valet traffic.

568
00:38:02,484 --> 00:38:06,688
if you're coming to the project and it had 100% of the parking

569
00:38:06,688 --> 00:38:08,958
on seut, you would come in, stay and leave.

570
00:38:08,958 --> 00:38:14,958
in this case, because roughly 38, 40% of the parkin will be

571
00:38:15,898 --> 00:38:20,369
valeted, we're reassigning and kind of double counting those

572
00:38:20,369 --> 00:38:22,237
cars. Also in the p.m. Peak hour,

573
00:38:22,237 --> 00:38:27,370
we're looking at approximately 74 cars coming in, getting

574
00:38:29,244 --> 00:38:32,480
valeted. That car being driven up

575
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,384
700 feet and as a return, 61 cars.

576
00:38:35,384 --> 00:38:38,521
we've looked annot just the impact of the development.

577
00:38:38,521 --> 00:38:43,525
but the additional traffic on douglas for the back and forth

578
00:38:43,525 --> 00:38:46,525
valet. That was accounted for.

579
00:38:47,663 --> 00:38:50,933
next slide talks about capacity in a pie chart format.

580
00:38:50,933 --> 00:38:55,133
your two adjacent roadways are two-lane roadways,

581
00:38:58,941 --> 00:39:03,741
15-mile-an-hour and 25 on main. According to statistics in

582
00:39:04,379 --> 00:39:07,149
pinellas county, 750 vehicles in a peak direction.

583
00:39:07,149 --> 00:39:11,686
this pie chart shows you in the purple areas, main street and

584
00:39:11,686 --> 00:39:15,886
douglas have roughly 130 trips out there today.

585
00:39:16,158 --> 00:39:21,663
our project would be adding 43 estimated on main street and the

586
00:39:21,663 --> 00:39:27,403
higher number of 152 on douglas. That's where the primary access

587
00:39:27,403 --> 00:39:31,603
points are. What that leaves is between 400

588
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:36,989
and 500 for each roadway as what we call available or excess

589
00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:38,791
capacity. We're not anywhere close to

590
00:39:38,791 --> 00:39:42,991
hitting the limit of the roadway capacity.

591
00:39:43,662 --> 00:39:45,730
next slide. This is just another slide of

592
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:48,934
really the same information. Just shown in more of a bar

593
00:39:48,934 --> 00:39:54,740
format with the green being 750 cars and the other colors

594
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:58,777
representing the existing and additional traffic from the

595
00:39:58,777 --> 00:40:04,283
project in blue. To wrap that up, we studied all

596
00:40:04,283 --> 00:40:07,953
the intersections. I think there was seven of them,

597
00:40:07,953 --> 00:40:11,256
in detail. And the roundabouts on skinner

598
00:40:11,256 --> 00:40:13,692
working very well. They'll continue to work well.

599
00:40:13,692 --> 00:40:16,961
they're very well designed to work out.

600
00:40:16,961 --> 00:40:22,100
I think dot looked at a 30-year horizon for those.

601
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:26,905
very good horizon there. And the intersection at main and

602
00:40:26,905 --> 00:40:29,905
douglas. It's currently operating at

603
00:40:30,409 --> 00:40:32,977
level service b as in boy, in the peak hours.

604
00:40:32,977 --> 00:40:36,715
for those not familiar, the level of service on roadways is

605
00:40:36,715 --> 00:40:43,188
similar to grading in school. A is the best and f is not

606
00:40:43,188 --> 00:40:45,925
acceptable and means you need to improve.

607
00:40:45,925 --> 00:40:51,130
the level of service b is going to be able to be maintained with

608
00:40:51,130 --> 00:40:57,730
the addition of this traffic. We don't feel there will be

609
00:40:57,803 --> 00:41:01,741
noticeable significant impact. I'm available for questions.

610
00:41:01,741 --> 00:41:05,276
thank you. >> jane, can I ask a question

611
00:41:05,276 --> 00:41:05,810
quickly? >> yes.

612
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:08,180
>> I want to understand the flow a little butt.

613
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:10,949
the entrance to the exchange is a one directional view.

614
00:41:10,949 --> 00:41:13,885
the traffic coming out is going to be a left turn on douglas, a

615
00:41:13,885 --> 00:41:17,656
left on monroe? Or if it's capacity, then it's a

616
00:41:17,656 --> 00:41:21,460
left up douglas, and left into the ramp.

617
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:25,364
really, all the traffic will be on douglas except for a little

618
00:41:25,364 --> 00:41:27,298
bit on monroe. >> right.

619
00:41:27,298 --> 00:41:29,834
>> they're not going to looping around on main street and

620
00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:32,938
crossing the trail. Hopefully, this won't increase

621
00:41:32,938 --> 00:41:35,642
traffic at any of the trail crossings.

622
00:41:35,642 --> 00:41:36,374
correct? >> that's correct.

623
00:41:36,374 --> 00:41:41,114
on the pie chart, we're looking at 152 on douglas, but only 43

624
00:41:41,114 --> 00:41:44,714
on main. That reflects main going

625
00:41:44,716 --> 00:41:48,120
eastbound up toward the hospital in both directions.

626
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,191
douglas will have the vast majority of the traffic impacts.

627
00:41:53,191 --> 00:41:56,610
>> I have a question for you. When did you -- what time of

628
00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:58,663
year did you do this report? What month?

629
00:41:58,663 --> 00:42:00,932
>> we did the data collection in the summer.

630
00:42:00,932 --> 00:42:06,332
it was july. What we do, though, is factor

631
00:42:06,872 --> 00:42:09,607
those numbers up to peak season conditions as required.

632
00:42:09,607 --> 00:42:12,544
it's kind of a standard. We increased those volumes to

633
00:42:12,544 --> 00:42:16,547
represent the peak season for pinellas county.

634
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:21,353
>> jane, real quickly before you go, I think board member

635
00:42:21,353 --> 00:42:25,356
benjamin pointed out how complimentary the traffic that

636
00:42:25,356 --> 00:42:30,562
will be egressing from the main street exchange will be able to

637
00:42:30,562 --> 00:42:34,232
access the garage on douglas. Can you talk about this concept

638
00:42:34,232 --> 00:42:38,903
of stand-alone parking garages in and of themselves do not

639
00:42:38,903 --> 00:42:41,640
generate trips. People do not come downtown to

640
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
vuft a stand-alone parking garage.

641
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:48,846
that's what gets all the folks coming here off the street and

642
00:42:48,846 --> 00:42:52,917
into a great parking spot. Can you address that briefly?

643
00:42:52,917 --> 00:42:56,517
>> sure. To clarify what brian said.

644
00:42:57,220 --> 00:43:02,394
the 318-space garage, the valet precaution we already talked

645
00:43:02,394 --> 00:43:05,994
about. The traffic available to the

646
00:43:05,997 --> 00:43:10,168
public, the 193 parking spaces valuable, they're not bringing

647
00:43:10,168 --> 00:43:13,638
in -- they're to supply the existing -- parking for existing

648
00:43:13,638 --> 00:43:15,674
uses and demand that's already there.

649
00:43:15,674 --> 00:43:20,611
they don't generate new trips. Only time parking garages would

650
00:43:20,611 --> 00:43:26,284
generate new trips is if you have a park and rude for a rail

651
00:43:26,284 --> 00:43:28,420
station, airport, or something of that nature.

652
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:30,820
thank you. >> thank you.

653
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,890
next slide, please. This is showing the revocable

654
00:43:37,596 --> 00:43:40,365
parking agreement. I won't get into the details.

655
00:43:40,365 --> 00:43:42,834
this is close to second to last slide.

656
00:43:42,834 --> 00:43:46,237
I wanted to reorient you. We started looking at the site

657
00:43:46,237 --> 00:43:48,440
plan. The yellow is what is required

658
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,640
for the minimum sidewalk for pedestrian access.

659
00:43:56,648 --> 00:43:59,985
the red is what the city requested.

660
00:43:59,985 --> 00:44:05,723
in orange, in excess of 14 feet. In terms of set-backs, this is a

661
00:44:05,723 --> 00:44:10,261
very compatible project that really leans into the

662
00:44:10,261 --> 00:44:12,764
pedestrian-oriented nature of downtown dunedin and will serve

663
00:44:12,764 --> 00:44:15,000
the public very well. Next slide, please.

664
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,470
you can go through very to the very last conclusion at the

665
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:20,710
bottom. Therefore, again, we

666
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:23,141
respectfully believe we provided the substantial evidence

667
00:44:23,141 --> 00:44:27,478
necessary for the waivers and slight modifications we

668
00:44:27,478 --> 00:44:31,616
requested approximate we support the arc's recommendation, the

669
00:44:31,616 --> 00:44:33,686
cra's recommendation and the staff recommendation.

670
00:44:33,686 --> 00:44:37,880
and we are happy to answer any questions that you have and

671
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,556
hopefully we'll have your support as well.

672
00:44:38,556 --> 00:44:43,356
thank you. >> you can ask whoever you want

673
00:44:53,705 --> 00:44:55,707
directly or I can direct the questions.

674
00:44:55,707 --> 00:44:57,642
however you would like to handle it.

675
00:44:57,642 --> 00:45:02,681
>> when I first saw this -- and I have dlubtly not tried to see

676
00:45:02,681 --> 00:45:04,849
it. Because I knew I would

677
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:10,522
eventually sit on this board. And I really do appreciate that

678
00:45:10,522 --> 00:45:17,122
you took two whole styles, which is new orleans, french creole

679
00:45:17,596 --> 00:45:25,300
and the med rev, which I love. And you see a lot of in miami.

680
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:31,877
the thing that bothers me that I really thought about is how

681
00:45:31,877 --> 00:45:37,615
much -- how many pops of color do you need before it begins to

682
00:45:37,615 --> 00:45:43,388
take the eye away from the true design, which is a thing of

683
00:45:43,388 --> 00:45:45,723
beauty? Now I'm seeing an orange slice.

684
00:45:45,723 --> 00:45:49,661
I'm seeing this green thing. I'm seeing pink, and blue.

685
00:45:49,661 --> 00:45:53,980
it distracts the eye. >> the computer renderings are a

686
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:58,737
little bit more vibrant. But it would be luke a softer

687
00:45:58,737 --> 00:46:01,622
wash. If you currently look through

688
00:46:01,622 --> 00:46:04,725
downtown, you can see those colors.

689
00:46:04,725 --> 00:46:05,860
>> I understand exactly what you did.

690
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:10,398
I looked at downtown. Those are little, tiny shops.

691
00:46:10,398 --> 00:46:12,366
tiny. One is green.

692
00:46:12,366 --> 00:46:15,536
one is, you know, red. One is purple.

693
00:46:15,536 --> 00:46:18,739
and I get it. >> the majority of the building

694
00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:22,900
is brick. The majority of the building is

695
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:24,579
brick. And there's two different brick

696
00:46:24,579 --> 00:46:29,817
types, a light and a dark. When you're dealing with a

697
00:46:29,817 --> 00:46:31,986
massing, you want to break it up.

698
00:46:31,986 --> 00:46:38,250
like if you were to do a monotone or something in that

699
00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:44,250
nature, what happens is it becomes, I guess, like an

700
00:46:45,299 --> 00:46:50,905
institutional kind of feel. So you want to create that

701
00:46:50,905 --> 00:46:54,575
interest. And what we do have is we have

702
00:46:54,575 --> 00:46:58,775
balconies. We have the rails, the canopies.

703
00:46:59,847 --> 00:47:04,652
it all has a certain play. But we are still looking at the

704
00:47:04,652 --> 00:47:07,654
colors. We are looking at it.

705
00:47:07,654 --> 00:47:11,859
the initial response was when we were first looking at it, when

706
00:47:11,859 --> 00:47:14,995
you do a whole slide presentation of downtown

707
00:47:14,995 --> 00:47:17,665
dunedin, you see the colors everywhere.

708
00:47:17,665 --> 00:47:22,465
you do. So from the very first concepts,

709
00:47:22,736 --> 00:47:26,840
it has been taming down more, and more, and more.

710
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,477
and also some of the more traditional elements are coming

711
00:47:30,477 --> 00:47:33,413
into play, as we're detailing the project.

712
00:47:33,413 --> 00:47:36,683
so, yeah. I do understand that.

713
00:47:36,683 --> 00:47:42,683
but also think that making something monotone or a little

714
00:47:42,957 --> 00:47:47,294
more serious, it would actually create an institution-looking

715
00:47:47,294 --> 00:47:51,980
kind of building. We're not trying to build a

716
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:56,370
federal courthouse or city hall. We're trying to create some

717
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:57,772
activity. >> can I say something?

718
00:47:57,772 --> 00:48:01,242
I agree with deborah. I'm sorry.

719
00:48:01,242 --> 00:48:03,642
>> did you finish? >> yes.

720
00:48:03,644 --> 00:48:06,513
>> so I agree with her. It's a beautiful building.

721
00:48:06,513 --> 00:48:08,516
it's gorgeous. I love the brick.

722
00:48:08,516 --> 00:48:12,386
I love the architecture of it. I just totally agree that

723
00:48:12,386 --> 00:48:17,724
sometimes less is more. And when I'm looking at this,

724
00:48:17,724 --> 00:48:22,960
I'm looking at so much. And you're talking about an

725
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,464
institution. But the design and the concept,

726
00:48:23,464 --> 00:48:28,869
if you take that -- just like I said, sometimes less is more.

727
00:48:28,869 --> 00:48:31,600
the sides are beautiful. They're simple.

728
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,140
they're clean. Then the only thing that I have

729
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:37,678
a hard time with is the front of the building that I'm looking at

730
00:48:37,678 --> 00:48:42,478
toa theater that reminds me of ybor city.

731
00:48:43,216 --> 00:48:46,120
that's my personal opinion. I love the building.

732
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,490
I love the two-tone, the rooftop, the lights.

733
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:52,626
it's very simple, european. Until you start getting in with

734
00:48:52,626 --> 00:48:58,260
all the colors and the throw to. That's just ...

735
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:01,350
[ speaker off mic ] >> that wasn't a question,

736
00:49:01,350 --> 00:49:03,571
route? Just to give us feedback?

737
00:49:03,571 --> 00:49:05,906
>> yeah, it was just feedback. >> I still have a question we

738
00:49:05,906 --> 00:49:09,109
sort of hopped over. >> I'm sorry.

739
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:12,446
>> sorry. >> here's my question, as an

740
00:49:12,446 --> 00:49:15,316
architect. And I get -- I've been listening

741
00:49:15,316 --> 00:49:17,584
to you. Now you can hear me.

742
00:49:17,584 --> 00:49:21,122
I'm a classicist. This is going to have to last

743
00:49:21,122 --> 00:49:26,522
way past my lifetime. So how much color becomes

744
00:49:27,795 --> 00:49:31,598
kitsch. And only you can answer that.

745
00:49:31,598 --> 00:49:35,198
>> true. How much color becomes kitsch.

746
00:49:38,739 --> 00:49:42,376
you can ask yourself on this one question, does this building

747
00:49:42,376 --> 00:49:45,212
look like it's multiple styles or a blend?

748
00:49:45,212 --> 00:49:47,280
>> this looks very clean. It has color.

749
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,152
I thought about that. It has color in the signage.

750
00:49:50,152 --> 00:49:53,754
it has a beautiful art piece. And it has lighting.

751
00:49:53,754 --> 00:49:56,754
but otherwise, it's really clean.

752
00:49:57,724 --> 00:50:02,229
>> right. And so, you know, we are looking

753
00:50:02,229 --> 00:50:05,432
at toning the colors. In this slide presentation and

754
00:50:05,432 --> 00:50:09,337
things like that, the chroma pops out.

755
00:50:09,337 --> 00:50:14,241
it's not really a fair presentation of the color.

756
00:50:14,241 --> 00:50:21,382
but as far as, you know the marquis, the theater, that's a

757
00:50:21,382 --> 00:50:24,318
gesture to the main street kind of element.

758
00:50:24,318 --> 00:50:27,721
when you see the cooper johnson guidelines.

759
00:50:27,721 --> 00:50:32,126
you see those images in that particular ordinance package.

760
00:50:32,126 --> 00:50:36,926
you do see those. Is it the final-final?

761
00:50:41,135 --> 00:50:43,204
it's close. Things could be toned down.

762
00:50:43,204 --> 00:50:50,100
by the time we do all the details and work it out, it's

763
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:54,481
... But there is an elegance in that project.

764
00:50:54,481 --> 00:50:57,684
I do feel that. I feel what you're saying.

765
00:50:57,684 --> 00:51:00,840
that it's simple. Clean.

766
00:51:00,955 --> 00:51:03,356
>> it's very beautiful. The med rev.

767
00:51:03,356 --> 00:51:05,826
I just -- >> without the red canopy, how

768
00:51:05,826 --> 00:51:11,364
do you know it's not a cafe? >> again, that's something only

769
00:51:11,364 --> 00:51:16,764
you can answer. When does color take way from

770
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:23,570
and become really kit ki kitsch. >> as john sawed these are

771
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:28,582
conceptualizations. The main thing we're trying to

772
00:51:28,582 --> 00:51:32,182
convey here is the physical design.

773
00:51:33,988 --> 00:51:35,522
building as opposed to the actual colors.

774
00:51:35,522 --> 00:51:41,394
if you would like to recommend as a board that we work with the

775
00:51:41,394 --> 00:51:44,231
staff to tone down or bled the colors better, that's something

776
00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:48,431
we're happy to do. Let us know.

777
00:51:50,604 --> 00:51:54,207
we're happy to work on that. >> other questions that we have?

778
00:51:54,207 --> 00:51:57,745
>> I do. I have ticky tacky type

779
00:51:57,745 --> 00:51:58,345
questions. >> sure.

780
00:51:58,345 --> 00:52:01,148
>> the ramp that could be done by year end this year.

781
00:52:01,148 --> 00:52:04,180
which is phenomenal. The exchange.

782
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:06,620
we're looking at six month before we start construction

783
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:09,690
after the commission approvals, what's the duration of the

784
00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:11,625
construction before that may open?

785
00:52:11,625 --> 00:52:14,361
and then also can you tell a little bit about the

786
00:52:14,361 --> 00:52:17,361
construction? Again, my question, pilings,

787
00:52:19,366 --> 00:52:23,566
footings? What kind of noise might they

788
00:52:24,572 --> 00:52:26,374
experience? >> good evening, chair, and

789
00:52:26,374 --> 00:52:31,774
members of the lpa board. Bill mazas with mazas

790
00:52:35,117 --> 00:52:36,952
development. To answer your question

791
00:52:36,952 --> 00:52:39,588
specifically, the duration of the project, from the minute we

792
00:52:39,588 --> 00:52:43,591
finish the designs, which we're looking at anywhere from six to

793
00:52:43,591 --> 00:52:46,628
nine months to get the construction package done.

794
00:52:46,628 --> 00:52:48,463
we submit. We go through approvals.

795
00:52:48,463 --> 00:52:54,135
I'm sure it will go back and forth a couple of times.

796
00:52:54,135 --> 00:52:57,806
after that, a two-year construction window is

797
00:52:57,806 --> 00:53:02,600
reasonable. In that period of time, our

798
00:53:06,481 --> 00:53:09,351
goals are to take the garage. We're hoping by end of year,

799
00:53:09,351 --> 00:53:13,155
worst case scenario, first quarter of 27, the garage will

800
00:53:13,155 --> 00:53:17,955
be completed. I think timing wise, we're going

801
00:53:20,895 --> 00:53:24,265
to try to work with the city. This has been a project that's

802
00:53:24,265 --> 00:53:31,465
taken multiple years just to get it to where it is today.

803
00:53:34,409 --> 00:53:39,147
we've had dozens of meetings. Dnd chamber of commerce.

804
00:53:39,147 --> 00:53:41,216
we've listened to everything they've said.

805
00:53:41,216 --> 00:53:43,651
we've gone back, redesigned, come back again.

806
00:53:43,651 --> 00:53:48,590
our goal is to try to make it as minimally impactful for the

807
00:53:48,590 --> 00:53:50,525
downtown as we can. We understand we're going to

808
00:53:50,525 --> 00:53:55,730
work together with the city. And, you know, I heard road

809
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:59,670
closures. These are b big projects.

810
00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:01,502
they're not easy. But we're going to get through

811
00:54:01,502 --> 00:54:07,502
it, figure it out. We're going to make it work.

812
00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:12,800
>> I'm just trying to understand, what should we

813
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,147
expect? We understand construction and

814
00:54:13,147 --> 00:54:15,817
are excited for it. What will it be like?

815
00:54:15,817 --> 00:54:18,887
will it be -- >> the building is going to be

816
00:54:18,887 --> 00:54:22,490
post tension. So you're not -- we don't have

817
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:24,159
piles being driven in the ground.

818
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:27,159
correct, john? [ speaker off mic ]

819
00:54:34,235 --> 00:54:39,635
of course, the garage is going to be precast.

820
00:54:39,941 --> 00:54:43,100
so that's a little bit more difficult, more complicated.

821
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:50,810
big pieces are being trucked in with that, we'll have to come up

822
00:54:50,918 --> 00:54:54,655
with a plan that works for the businesses and workforce

823
00:54:54,655 --> 00:54:57,550
everybody. [ speaker off mic ]

824
00:55:07,402 --> 00:55:10,672
>> I believe I understood utilities will be undergrounded.

825
00:55:10,672 --> 00:55:13,408
excellent. Will there be a backup

826
00:55:13,408 --> 00:55:15,810
generator? From a storm resiliency

827
00:55:15,810 --> 00:55:18,446
standpoint. We do lose power in the core

828
00:55:18,446 --> 00:55:21,416
sometimes during big storms. That's a great facility.

829
00:55:21,416 --> 00:55:24,220
one, if it was to maintain power.

830
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:27,155
certainly for the guests. But also as an emergency

831
00:55:27,155 --> 00:55:29,690
facility if we were to get hit by a major storm.

832
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:32,226
>> that's something we're definitely looking at.

833
00:55:32,226 --> 00:55:34,262
>> okay, good. >> I have a question.

834
00:55:34,262 --> 00:55:39,100
parking, is it paid parking? The one on douglas.

835
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,635
>> the one on douglas? >> yeah.

836
00:55:41,635 --> 00:55:45,607
>> the way we're looking at it, parking is a supply and demand

837
00:55:45,607 --> 00:55:46,707
thing. We obviously understand that

838
00:55:46,707 --> 00:55:50,444
parking is a very sensitive issue in dunedin.

839
00:55:50,444 --> 00:55:52,647
that's why we've taken it seriously.

840
00:55:52,647 --> 00:55:58,530
I believe it's fair to say that during the week, really it

841
00:55:58,530 --> 00:56:00,988
doesn't milwaukee sense. When you do have special events,

842
00:56:00,988 --> 00:56:07,996
when you do have times when the downtown is quite active, we

843
00:56:07,996 --> 00:56:11,232
will be looking to charge a fee. But it's going to be something

844
00:56:11,232 --> 00:56:12,967
that's affordable. We understand it's a very

845
00:56:12,967 --> 00:56:14,870
sensitive issue. We're looking at parking systems

846
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:20,870
to make it very simple. When dunedin tried to go

847
00:56:26,147 --> 00:56:28,817
parking, it became a big issue with citizens.

848
00:56:28,817 --> 00:56:31,180
they were upset. I think it was more -- I heard

849
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:34,622
it was complicated. I heard you it had to put your

850
00:56:34,622 --> 00:56:38,159
license plate number in. We're going to try to make this

851
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,762
painless and ease. Today with the smart phones and

852
00:56:40,762 --> 00:56:44,498
technology, if you're signed up with an app, there's going to be

853
00:56:44,498 --> 00:56:46,234
a license plate recognize nution.

854
00:56:46,234 --> 00:56:49,838
to where when you're signed up and your car shows up, the gate

855
00:56:49,838 --> 00:56:52,574
will go up. You'll pay right from your

856
00:56:52,574 --> 00:56:54,976
phone. But again, the fee, I wouldn't

857
00:56:54,976 --> 00:56:58,779
be so fixated on that. We're not a city.

858
00:56:58,779 --> 00:57:01,516
we can't put a special assessment on something to cover

859
00:57:01,516 --> 00:57:04,886
the cost of the garage. We're actually paying for this

860
00:57:04,886 --> 00:57:08,623
garage. And we need to recover some of

861
00:57:08,623 --> 00:57:11,260
its expense. Again, it's going to be a matter

862
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:15,826
of being sensitive to the city. >> other questions?

863
00:57:26,675 --> 00:57:31,475
george, will there be a development agreement following

864
00:57:32,847 --> 00:57:36,217
with this? And or -- I'll stop there.

865
00:57:36,217 --> 00:57:38,153
>> no. They met all the code

866
00:57:38,153 --> 00:57:40,287
provisions. No development agreement.

867
00:57:40,287 --> 00:57:43,491
>> okay. And since the parking garages

868
00:57:43,491 --> 00:57:46,828
seems like it's going full speed ahead, obviously we won't be

869
00:57:46,828 --> 00:57:53,428
seeing that at all specifically? Just that parcel coming to this

870
00:57:53,501 --> 00:57:54,969
lpa? >> you may see it in the future

871
00:57:54,969 --> 00:57:58,839
in the form of a rezoning. What's interesting about that

872
00:57:58,839 --> 00:58:02,110
particular parcel, it's zoned downtown industrial, one of only

873
00:58:02,110 --> 00:58:04,312
two. The adjacent parcel toward

874
00:58:04,312 --> 00:58:07,183
skinner is zoned downtown industrial.

875
00:58:07,183 --> 00:58:09,584
so I believe -- I don't want to speak for the applicant.

876
00:58:09,584 --> 00:58:13,621
I believe there's an intent to create some retail space at the

877
00:58:13,621 --> 00:58:17,625
bottom portion of that garage. They'll be looking to rezone the

878
00:58:17,625 --> 00:58:21,825
property from downtown industrial to downtown core.

879
00:58:21,996 --> 00:58:24,331
>> good. That leads to my next question.

880
00:58:24,331 --> 00:58:28,269
looking at the renderings it appeared there was some retail

881
00:58:28,269 --> 00:58:31,500
to that garage. It was going to mesh in with

882
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:36,678
everything else there. Because it would be f faux reta.

883
00:58:36,678 --> 00:58:41,416
but it didn't make sense to me. >> right now the zoning, as

884
00:58:41,416 --> 00:58:43,840
mr. Kinney said, is downtown industrial.

885
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,753
which allows for parking garages.

886
00:58:44,753 --> 00:58:47,755
we did not have to go through development review.

887
00:58:47,755 --> 00:58:49,690
ivelg, we did take it to the arc.

888
00:58:49,690 --> 00:58:56,290
we wanted to make sure we would meet the architectural style

889
00:59:01,109 --> 00:59:04,713
element for -- just like the artisan has, retail activated.

890
00:59:04,713 --> 00:59:06,915
that will require a downtown core rezoning.

891
00:59:06,915 --> 00:59:09,751
we're not there yet. We want to get the garage up.

892
00:59:09,751 --> 00:59:12,654
that retail will not be there when the garage opens but a

893
00:59:12,654 --> 00:59:17,692
process that we'll be back. You'll be back seeing this for

894
00:59:17,692 --> 00:59:21,292
rezoning at some point. >> thank you.

895
00:59:21,597 --> 00:59:25,601
with the replacement out there, how deep will you be going with

896
00:59:25,601 --> 00:59:29,201
that? Do you have a feel?

897
00:59:36,144 --> 00:59:39,744
[ speaker off mic ] >> for which parcel?

898
00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:50,890
>> for the exchange. >> 13825 iconic boulevard,

899
01:00:01,370 --> 01:00:03,572
clearwater, close consulting engineer on the project.

900
01:00:03,572 --> 01:00:07,376
for the most part, the main portion that we'll be taking

901
01:00:07,376 --> 01:00:11,646
out, excavating will be for the underground vaults.

902
01:00:11,646 --> 01:00:14,183
there's nothing on the geotechnical report that

903
01:00:14,183 --> 01:00:19,583
requires any soil replacement or anything at this time.

904
01:00:21,323 --> 01:00:24,727
the majority would be foundations, footers,

905
01:00:24,727 --> 01:00:26,861
underground storm vault. >> I thought I read something in

906
01:00:26,861 --> 01:00:28,863
there on the four-story part of that.

907
01:00:28,863 --> 01:00:33,668
that you were going to have to do some additional work to make

908
01:00:33,668 --> 01:00:36,605
sure that the ground could support the four stories.

909
01:00:36,605 --> 01:00:42,605
[ speaker off mic ] is there a depth to that or ...

910
01:00:49,885 --> 01:00:53,485
>> I'm not 100% certain. Usually, replacement goes

911
01:00:54,823 --> 01:00:58,761
20 feet, 30 feet down. Are you familiar with vibr all,

912
01:00:58,761 --> 01:01:00,280
replawvment? >> I am a bit.

913
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:06,628
the reason I'm asking, too, as the name sounds, there are

914
01:01:07,702 --> 01:01:11,902
vibrations involved. Looking at the nawbs around

915
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,208
that. But also not wanting to effect

916
01:01:17,579 --> 01:01:22,518
dunedin's oldest drinking water well which is 100 or so feet way

917
01:01:22,518 --> 01:01:25,200
from that. >> we don't go that low.

918
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,591
it's by far the least evasive. It's not the pounding of those

919
01:01:29,591 --> 01:01:32,600
columns. I think it's a good

920
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:32,729
recommendation. >> great.

921
01:01:32,729 --> 01:01:36,329
thank you. >> I have a question.

922
01:01:37,666 --> 01:01:39,334
>> go. >> where's my little thing?

923
01:01:39,334 --> 01:01:46,534
so reading the notes, what type of fencing will be around the

924
01:01:47,609 --> 01:01:49,144
building? I thought I read something on

925
01:01:49,144 --> 01:01:51,947
the bottom there was fencing that's going to be around the

926
01:01:51,947 --> 01:01:53,148
building. >> are you talking about for

927
01:01:53,148 --> 01:01:58,287
construction or once it's built? >> that was my question.

928
01:01:58,287 --> 01:01:59,955
>> which project are we talking about?

929
01:01:59,955 --> 01:02:04,155
>> the exchange. >> the exchange has no fencing.

930
01:02:04,325 --> 01:02:06,228
>> so there's no fencing whatsoever?

931
01:02:06,228 --> 01:02:09,831
I was looking at that. In notes I was looking at, it

932
01:02:09,831 --> 01:02:13,635
said something about a fence. It's required but they haven't

933
01:02:13,635 --> 01:02:15,971
decided. >> maybe during construction?

934
01:02:15,971 --> 01:02:17,439
>> okay. Then what type of fence will be

935
01:02:17,439 --> 01:02:20,809
around there for construction? >> I'm sure it's going to be a

936
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:24,246
construction fence. It will be driven in.

937
01:02:24,246 --> 01:02:28,183
one of those nice decorative -- >> it will be code compliant for

938
01:02:28,183 --> 01:02:30,180
sure. >> I have one more question.

939
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:33,180
then I'm done. Condo hotels.

940
01:02:35,523 --> 01:02:39,723
are you selling the hotel rooms? >> no.

941
01:02:42,464 --> 01:02:45,734
>> a couple quick questions. On the parking ramp, I notice

942
01:02:45,734 --> 01:02:49,334
there's a north and south entrance.

943
01:02:49,939 --> 01:02:53,475
is it one way? Or are both of those both ways?

944
01:02:53,475 --> 01:02:57,750
>> which garage are we talking about?

945
01:02:57,790 --> 01:02:59,415
>> parking ramp on douglas, industrial arts building.

946
01:02:59,415 --> 01:03:06,221
>> the parking ramp is one way. So, on the south side, that is

947
01:03:06,221 --> 01:03:08,590
the actual entrance to the garage that takes you up and

948
01:03:08,590 --> 01:03:12,627
brings you down. The other side is just a side

949
01:03:12,627 --> 01:03:18,500
access road that puts you behind the building for servicing trash

950
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,970
and all other type. We'll have golf cart parking,

951
01:03:21,970 --> 01:03:23,438
too. >> they can go in the building

952
01:03:23,438 --> 01:03:26,438
when they deliver deliveries? >> correct.

953
01:03:27,776 --> 01:03:31,980
>> and then are we locked and loaded with the county on trail

954
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:37,380
access landscaping, all that? >> obviously, they would like to

955
01:03:39,254 --> 01:03:43,525
have a connection to the trail. We've been successful in the

956
01:03:43,525 --> 01:03:46,728
past to get easement from the county or right of way.

957
01:03:46,728 --> 01:03:50,328
>> that's still in the works? >> absolutely.

958
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:57,338
>> okay, folks? >> I have one.

959
01:03:57,338 --> 01:03:59,641
>> go ahead. >> if you have noise complaints

960
01:03:59,641 --> 01:04:04,110
during construction, will you do noise monitoring or mitigation?

961
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,815
>> I think the answer is we'll do whatever is require bid the

962
01:04:06,815 --> 01:04:09,551
city to be code compliant. We're not going to be a problem.

963
01:04:09,551 --> 01:04:13,155
if it takes extra noise monitoring, we're going to fully

964
01:04:13,155 --> 01:04:18,555
comply with the noise code and construction limitation on

965
01:04:19,127 --> 01:04:21,696
hours, decibels and whatever else is required.

966
01:04:21,696 --> 01:04:23,664
>> bill's office is right there. >> yeah.

967
01:04:23,664 --> 01:04:27,350
bill's office is right there. We'll be able to find him.

968
01:04:27,350 --> 01:04:31,835
>> he will be effected. >> as much as anyone.

969
01:04:38,513 --> 01:04:41,516
>> in douglas as you come up on main street, are those staying

970
01:04:41,516 --> 01:04:45,320
or going away? >> the one island on douglas

971
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,923
will stay. The other will go away, to make

972
01:04:47,923 --> 01:04:51,726
room for bus pulloff and his parking garage.

973
01:04:51,726 --> 01:04:55,926
>> thank you. And then jane, with the

974
01:05:07,876 --> 01:05:10,612
stacking. And with the valet, the normal

975
01:05:10,612 --> 01:05:16,284
number of cars coming down douglas and the valet going back

976
01:05:16,284 --> 01:05:19,350
and forth, are you seeing stacking issues with trying to

977
01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:23,773
get out of the parking garage? Or the valets are going to be

978
01:05:23,773 --> 01:05:28,244
pucking up the cars and getting them north again.

979
01:05:28,244 --> 01:05:31,713
the cars stacking up to try to go through the intersection at

980
01:05:31,713 --> 01:05:35,784
main street. >> that is one of the things we

981
01:05:35,784 --> 01:05:39,540
looked at. The queuing or stacking from the

982
01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:41,724
traffic signal. I believe the numbers in the

983
01:05:41,724 --> 01:05:47,124
current version of the traffic study is about 115 feet.

984
01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:56,772
so it won't reach the outbound location from the valet

985
01:05:56,772 --> 01:05:59,575
pull-through. That's the 90th percentile on

986
01:05:59,575 --> 01:06:03,775
the queue. On average it's 60% of that.

987
01:06:05,681 --> 01:06:08,551
we don't see there's going to be stacking from the signal

988
01:06:08,551 --> 01:06:13,880
interfering with the in and out from the valet.

989
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,827
underneath itself, when they go in, we've got a lot of width to

990
01:06:17,827 --> 01:06:22,270
be able to stage cars. They unload.

991
01:06:23,310 --> 01:06:26,902
wreef got a lot of room to hold cars underneath before they exit

992
01:06:26,902 --> 01:06:32,902
and go up 700, 800-feet north. We don't anticipate the valet

993
01:06:34,443 --> 01:06:36,445
operation interfering with the traffic signal.

994
01:06:36,445 --> 01:06:41,245
>> thank you. From your report, one of them

995
01:06:49,257 --> 01:06:54,657
talked about the current traffic being 2850 vehicles a day.

996
01:06:56,766 --> 01:06:59,766
another part talked about 369 trips.

997
01:07:03,406 --> 01:07:06,609
it's not like for like. I guess it was additional trips.

998
01:07:06,609 --> 01:07:09,613
that caught my eye as a big number.

999
01:07:09,613 --> 01:07:11,880
I don't know if that's a big number --

1000
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,353
>> it always seems very big. I think what was reported in the

1001
01:07:17,353 --> 01:07:19,287
analysis -- I did a recent count.

1002
01:07:19,287 --> 01:07:22,424
there was somewhere around 2800 average daily trips.

1003
01:07:22,424 --> 01:07:26,240
that's both directions on main street.

1004
01:07:32,535 --> 01:07:35,171
now that will split between douglas and main street with

1005
01:07:35,171 --> 01:07:40,571
more on douglas. Daily capacity of main street is

1006
01:07:40,643 --> 01:07:43,311
14,800. So we put those two together and

1007
01:07:43,311 --> 01:07:46,311
on whole be conservative, 5,000 or 6,000.

1008
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:49,919
we're not even half of the 14,000, which is the daily

1009
01:07:49,919 --> 01:07:55,319
capacity of the roadway. You can look at generalizations

1010
01:07:59,328 --> 01:08:01,329
and things. You can't fine tune operations

1011
01:08:01,329 --> 01:08:06,201
on a daily basis. I think you interpreted that

1012
01:08:06,201 --> 01:08:08,737
right and it will be well below the daily capacity.

1013
01:08:08,737 --> 01:08:11,140
>> the way you explained it was absolutely fantastic.

1014
01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:17,140
thank you for that. I'm trying to remember if there

1015
01:08:18,815 --> 01:08:22,551
was one other part to that. Maybe because of the way you

1016
01:08:22,551 --> 01:08:24,887
explained it doesn't matter much now.

1017
01:08:24,887 --> 01:08:28,824
if ocean optics was being fully utilized at this time, there

1018
01:08:28,824 --> 01:08:33,429
would be that traffic on the roadways as well and what that

1019
01:08:33,429 --> 01:08:40,536
estimate would be to kind of fill in the blanks with what

1020
01:08:40,536 --> 01:08:44,706
you're going to have with those 4600 extra trips.

1021
01:08:44,706 --> 01:08:50,379
talking way from if ocean optics was there, if it was fully

1022
01:08:50,379 --> 01:08:51,580
functional, what those trips would be.

1023
01:08:51,580 --> 01:08:56,619
>> I think that was a comment in the comment letter from the

1024
01:08:56,619 --> 01:09:00,589
engineering consultant. When we did the counts, ocean

1025
01:09:00,589 --> 01:09:03,359
optics was not active. There wasn't much parking going

1026
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,728
on there. In the traffic study, I did

1027
01:09:05,728 --> 01:09:12,328
provide stuments of if it were to be reoccupied, square footage

1028
01:09:13,536 --> 01:09:15,739
as an office building what it could generate.

1029
01:09:15,739 --> 01:09:19,274
that was not used in our calculations.

1030
01:09:19,274 --> 01:09:21,810
it was really just shown for informational purposes.

1031
01:09:21,810 --> 01:09:23,412
we didn't take any credit for that.

1032
01:09:23,412 --> 01:09:25,881
we didn't need to. It's not prowpt to do if it's

1033
01:09:25,881 --> 01:09:28,750
not in full operation. >> luke I said, once you

1034
01:09:28,750 --> 01:09:33,550
explained it, it made so much more sense.

1035
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,830
and seems like there's plenty of capacity for that.

1036
01:09:41,830 --> 01:09:43,298
>> anybody else? >> is that it?

1037
01:09:43,298 --> 01:09:49,298
>> I've got one more. This is to go with stormwater.

1038
01:09:49,705 --> 01:09:52,974
sorry. I couldn't be more organized.

1039
01:09:52,974 --> 01:09:54,375
>> that's okay. >> with the stormwater.

1040
01:09:54,375 --> 01:10:00,783
you're putting in an ai system. Are you designing that to the

1041
01:10:00,783 --> 01:10:03,819
mum of what's required? Are you going above and beyond

1042
01:10:03,819 --> 01:10:07,856
it in any way with that? Where is that outfall going to

1043
01:10:07,856 --> 01:10:09,524
go? >> outfall will go to the north

1044
01:10:09,524 --> 01:10:13,929
on to monroe street. There's an inlet right there on

1045
01:10:13,929 --> 01:10:16,665
our side of the street. It will be connecting to that.

1046
01:10:16,665 --> 01:10:21,700
the stormwater system is standard, 25-year storm event.

1047
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:23,605
there will be a little bit of a free board.

1048
01:10:23,605 --> 01:10:26,408
there will be a lull bit of extra capacity.

1049
01:10:26,408 --> 01:10:30,608
>> okay. And then I'm assuming that would

1050
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:37,800
end up ultimately in the dot pond on broadway?

1051
01:10:39,621 --> 01:10:43,492
>> honestly, I don't know. >> you jst know where it's

1052
01:10:43,492 --> 01:10:45,360
going from your property. Got you.

1053
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,963
that's the last of my questions. >> we're going to open up for

1054
01:10:48,963 --> 01:10:52,700
public input. Does anyone from the public?

1055
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:56,300
please, come. >> norm herman, edgewater drive.

1056
01:11:09,384 --> 01:11:13,522
from an engineering perspective. Has there been an engineering

1057
01:11:13,522 --> 01:11:18,593
analysis of noise from the hbac for the hotel area and for the

1058
01:11:18,593 --> 01:11:23,993
restaurants and so on? For example, decibel levels at

1059
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,000
different times of the day? Thank you.

1060
01:11:42,551 --> 01:11:45,551
[ speaker off mic ] >> good evening.

1061
01:11:48,377 --> 01:11:54,817
my name is peter. I spent most of my life here in

1062
01:11:54,817 --> 01:11:57,987
dunedin and almost all of my professional life in

1063
01:11:57,987 --> 01:12:00,456
hospitality. When I came to dunedin in the

1064
01:12:00,456 --> 01:12:07,560
mid '70s, downtown looked very differently than it does today.

1065
01:12:07,863 --> 01:12:11,463
boarded up windows. Overgrown lots, spaces.

1066
01:12:17,773 --> 01:12:22,573
very little activity. Tumbleweeds and garbage in the

1067
01:12:26,681 --> 01:12:30,281
street. I opened bon appetite during

1068
01:12:34,223 --> 01:12:37,759
that time. I have been fortunate and

1069
01:12:37,759 --> 01:12:42,765
honored to be involved in dunedin through bon appetite and

1070
01:12:42,765 --> 01:12:48,165
other interests in the downtown in honeymoon and caladesi

1071
01:12:53,642 --> 01:12:55,110
island. And how this development can

1072
01:12:55,110 --> 01:13:02,310
help a place to flourish. I share that only to say this.

1073
01:13:02,618 --> 01:13:08,618
dunedin matters to me. I care deeply about how it

1074
01:13:09,658 --> 01:13:15,580
continues to evolve. I'm here to express my strong

1075
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:21,300
support for the project proposed by mr. Mazas.

1076
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:27,300
from my perspective, this is exactly the kind of thoughtful,

1077
01:13:29,611 --> 01:13:33,811
mixed-use development that contributes to a healthy

1078
01:13:36,952 --> 01:13:41,290
downtown while strengthening dunedin's culture and sense of

1079
01:13:41,290 --> 01:13:42,825
place. After lifetime in this industry,

1080
01:13:42,825 --> 01:13:48,225
I have learned that successful communities are built when

1081
01:13:50,766 --> 01:13:54,570
people are invited into spaces that bring together art,

1082
01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:59,970
commerce, and human connection. When offering my support, it's

1083
01:14:00,343 --> 01:14:05,743
because I've looked closely and considered a long view.

1084
01:14:07,450 --> 01:14:11,500
this project has my full endorsement.

1085
01:14:12,654 --> 01:14:14,423
mr. Mazas has my complete confidence.

1086
01:14:14,423 --> 01:14:19,261
I believe this development will be a meaningful ed ution to the

1087
01:14:19,261 --> 01:14:23,132
city of dunedin. And I respectfully encourage the

1088
01:14:23,132 --> 01:14:26,732
council to support it. Thank you.

1089
01:14:35,811 --> 01:14:37,811
>> thank you. >> hello.

1090
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:44,887
my name is charlie alkaline. I live 245 jefferson avenue.

1091
01:14:44,887 --> 01:14:49,687
I'm here in dunedin representing dunedin public theater

1092
01:14:51,293 --> 01:14:53,829
foundation. We are excited about any good

1093
01:14:53,829 --> 01:14:57,700
projects going on downtown. We like idea of this project.

1094
01:14:57,700 --> 01:14:59,901
we're considering competition with what we're looking at tp

1095
01:14:59,901 --> 01:15:08,301
just want this board to know and we were not involved in any of

1096
01:15:12,914 --> 01:15:15,650
this planning. We sat through the first cra

1097
01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:17,419
advisory when they went through the inside.

1098
01:15:17,419 --> 01:15:20,923
what they had as a theater was a long event room.

1099
01:15:20,923 --> 01:15:25,594
which is fine. But we don't know what kind of

1100
01:15:25,594 --> 01:15:27,596
iteration it's gone through since then.

1101
01:15:27,596 --> 01:15:33,201
so, we are just concerned about the marquis looking like a

1102
01:15:33,201 --> 01:15:35,737
theater. Yet it looks like all downtowns

1103
01:15:35,737 --> 01:15:38,140
used to be. I'm not sure the theater in

1104
01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:41,944
there is what it's actually going to be.

1105
01:15:41,944 --> 01:15:44,944
we're just looking at competition.

1106
01:15:50,618 --> 01:15:52,821
we did have one meeting about that project.

1107
01:15:52,821 --> 01:15:55,958
it didn't look luke the place they had was going to be able to

1108
01:15:55,958 --> 01:15:59,940
do what we're looking for. Because we are trying to do --

1109
01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:02,831
our mission is to create a professional, fully equipped

1110
01:16:02,831 --> 01:16:07,360
theater facility for the purpose of programming live theater,

1111
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,241
dance, film, music, and other performing arts and events in

1112
01:16:11,241 --> 01:16:16,641
the city of dunedin. We don't mind the different

1113
01:16:22,918 --> 01:16:24,587
event space. In some of the literature it's

1114
01:16:24,587 --> 01:16:27,489
called an event space. It's called a theater.

1115
01:16:27,489 --> 01:16:30,558
and marquis may be misleading with what they actually have in

1116
01:16:30,558 --> 01:16:32,600
there. We want you to consider that as

1117
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,660
it goes into the final programming.

1118
01:16:35,865 --> 01:16:40,200
we don't mind competition. We just want to milwaukee sure,

1119
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,273
you know, tea not misleading and we know what we're getting into

1120
01:16:44,273 --> 01:16:46,408
tp that's it. Thanks.

1121
01:16:46,408 --> 01:16:51,208
>> thank you. >> my name is father bob sewick,

1122
01:17:00,622 --> 01:17:05,760
pastor of st. Francis of assisi, the catholic church across the

1123
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,498
street from here. I've been sitting here, a fellow

1124
01:17:09,498 --> 01:17:13,980
citizen, listening to the detailed concerns.

1125
01:17:15,838 --> 01:17:17,840
you've obviously done your homework.

1126
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,711
it's very impressive to me as a citizen here.

1127
01:17:22,711 --> 01:17:26,911
I find this project to be expeuting.

1128
01:17:30,185 --> 01:17:31,920
exciting. We have youth in our community.

1129
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,391
this draws attention, some place they can go and be involved, I

1130
01:17:36,391 --> 01:17:42,664
think more so than before. There are so many positives to

1131
01:17:42,664 --> 01:17:45,640
this. Are there negatives?

1132
01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:46,602
probably so. I can't see them.

1133
01:17:46,602 --> 01:17:52,602
I'm sure there are. In the overall, this is a

1134
01:17:53,475 --> 01:17:57,812
cultural dynamic, addition to one of the most beautiful

1135
01:17:57,812 --> 01:18:00,349
communities we have here in this part of florida.

1136
01:18:00,349 --> 01:18:04,353
so I strongly recommend favorable approval of this.

1137
01:18:04,353 --> 01:18:08,423
and I want to thank you all for your diligence.

1138
01:18:08,423 --> 01:18:10,823
thank you. >> thank you.

1139
01:18:19,707 --> 01:18:22,707
>> I live on 445 palmetteo street.

1140
01:18:22,978 --> 01:18:26,913
I was born and rawfd here. And I remember when there were

1141
01:18:26,913 --> 01:18:30,500
only a few places to go out. We would go out in high school.

1142
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:36,500
I love the idea of more restaurants, bars and retail.

1143
01:18:37,324 --> 01:18:40,795
but I feel like this takes away from the coastal vibe of

1144
01:18:40,795 --> 01:18:43,897
dunedin. The giant buildings will swallow

1145
01:18:43,897 --> 01:18:48,680
up the charming restaurants like salty soul, sandpiper.

1146
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,972
if we keep allowing more of these buildings, how log is it

1147
01:18:51,972 --> 01:18:53,941
until those small buildings are torn down?

1148
01:18:53,941 --> 01:18:57,478
I lived in austin. Not sure if you're familiar with

1149
01:18:57,478 --> 01:18:59,746
rainy street. It was a cute little street full

1150
01:18:59,746 --> 01:19:05,146
of charming bungalow houses that were turned into bars.

1151
01:19:05,619 --> 01:19:09,423
it was the best place to go in our residency.

1152
01:19:09,423 --> 01:19:13,940
they tore down a couple of houses, built a multi-story

1153
01:19:13,940 --> 01:19:14,961
building. Like this, one building after

1154
01:19:14,961 --> 01:19:17,431
another. They completely destroyed the

1155
01:19:17,431 --> 01:19:20,670
uniqueness of rainy street. I kind of feel like that's

1156
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:25,372
what's going to happen here. Maybe not we already have two

1157
01:19:25,372 --> 01:19:27,307
giant buildings right down there.

1158
01:19:27,307 --> 01:19:32,980
what's stopping any others? I'm also confused about the neat

1159
01:19:32,980 --> 01:19:37,184
to build another hotel since grand street isn't full at all

1160
01:19:37,184 --> 01:19:39,653
11 months of the year. Why not milwaukee it permanent

1161
01:19:39,653 --> 01:19:44,325
housing or other things? Even on the grand street website

1162
01:19:44,325 --> 01:19:47,610
today, the only month it sold out is march.

1163
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:51,861
and every time I walk by, it's empty.

1164
01:19:54,334 --> 01:19:56,204
I feel like we could use it for something else.

1165
01:19:56,204 --> 01:19:57,872
thank you. >> thank you.

1166
01:19:57,872 --> 01:20:03,272
is there anyone else? >> I live at 1429 san mateo

1167
01:20:11,151 --> 01:20:12,686
drive. I'm familiar with living

1168
01:20:12,686 --> 01:20:15,891
downtown and a little north of downtown.

1169
01:20:15,891 --> 01:20:20,494
and I support the project. I think it's nice to have the

1170
01:20:20,494 --> 01:20:25,700
theater, to have something for children, families to go to.

1171
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:31,100
a lot of downtown restaurants aren't suitable for younger

1172
01:20:31,305 --> 01:20:33,108
people. This gives us one extra thing.

1173
01:20:33,108 --> 01:20:41,449
as far as the colors, I like it. Dunedin is an artsy applause. P.

1174
01:20:41,449 --> 01:20:46,453
I like the coastal vibe. If it were all beige it would

1175
01:20:46,453 --> 01:20:49,523
look institutional and boring. I don't have a problem with the

1176
01:20:49,523 --> 01:20:51,392
marquis either. I like the idea of all the

1177
01:20:51,392 --> 01:20:55,829
parking that's being added. That's a benefit for everybody.

1178
01:20:55,829 --> 01:20:58,599
right now sometimes during events there's not sufficient

1179
01:20:58,599 --> 01:21:03,999
parking downtown. And I just like the whole thing,

1180
01:21:04,805 --> 01:21:07,541
the rooftop, the theater. I can see the gentleman who

1181
01:21:07,541 --> 01:21:10,211
spoke about the theater. I guess he would want to know if

1182
01:21:10,211 --> 01:21:14,415
we could use it for things like the fum festival or public

1183
01:21:14,415 --> 01:21:18,552
performances. Which I'm not really sure if

1184
01:21:18,552 --> 01:21:20,654
that's something you're planning or not.

1185
01:21:20,654 --> 01:21:24,958
and I hope that the parking fees are not too high.

1186
01:21:24,958 --> 01:21:27,280
that was a huge thing the last time.

1187
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,497
and it will keep people from coming downtown.

1188
01:21:30,497 --> 01:21:33,990
you know what happened. Everybody knows what happened

1189
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:35,836
who lived here then. I just wanted to add that.

1190
01:21:35,836 --> 01:21:37,704
and I'm in support of it. Thank you.

1191
01:21:37,704 --> 01:21:41,304
>> thank you. Is there anything else?

1192
01:21:47,314 --> 01:21:54,514
applicant and staff, do you have a response to anything that you

1193
01:21:54,655 --> 01:21:56,757
heard? >> good evening again.

1194
01:21:56,757 --> 01:22:01,394
brian aungst on behalf of bul mazas and mazas development, the

1195
01:22:01,394 --> 01:22:03,530
plunt. You heard a lot here tonight.

1196
01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:10,130
what has been imparted is just how, again, dlubt deliberately d

1197
01:22:10,471 --> 01:22:12,373
thoughtfully this project was developed.

1198
01:22:12,373 --> 01:22:17,770
a lot of input from the arc, the cra, and even more valuable

1199
01:22:17,770 --> 01:22:19,613
input tonight from you, which will be incorporated.

1200
01:22:19,613 --> 01:22:23,617
we look forward to hearing your final discussion and what those

1201
01:22:23,617 --> 01:22:27,354
recommendations might be. In terms of the hvac, I did want

1202
01:22:27,354 --> 01:22:29,230
to address the specific questions.

1203
01:22:29,230 --> 01:22:33,600
obviously, it will be on the roof.

1204
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,660
which is standard for mechanical equipment.

1205
01:22:39,633 --> 01:22:43,370
it will be code compliant. Any issues, it will be

1206
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:46,730
inspected, repaired, fixed. It will be on roof, as is

1207
01:22:46,730 --> 01:22:51,473
standard for any type of development of this nature.

1208
01:22:52,179 --> 01:22:57,579
I did want to give bill the final word.

1209
01:22:59,530 --> 01:23:03,256
just last bit from me, this shows you what a high quality,

1210
01:23:03,256 --> 01:23:06,293
unique project that can be developed by an all-local

1211
01:23:06,293 --> 01:23:09,663
development team of folks who really care and live here.

1212
01:23:09,663 --> 01:23:13,263
thank you. >> the space that we're

1213
01:23:17,638 --> 01:23:19,874
developing is a multipurpose space.

1214
01:23:19,874 --> 01:23:24,211
it will be available to the theater and other theaters, and

1215
01:23:24,211 --> 01:23:30,211
anybody who wants to -- possibly, you could have, you

1216
01:23:30,617 --> 01:23:37,817
know, a black box event. You might have a comedy show or

1217
01:23:41,695 --> 01:23:44,300
a recital. We're developing a space that

1218
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:48,350
could be multi-purpose. I don't queut know if it's just

1219
01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:52,835
a theater, if that will always be full.

1220
01:23:55,175 --> 01:23:59,713
that's why we had to be mindful to this and realizes we had to

1221
01:23:59,713 --> 01:24:05,713
bring something to the downtown. We're calling it a multi-purpose

1222
01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:09,256
space. Will it be a performing hearts

1223
01:24:09,256 --> 01:24:10,424
theater? Probably not.

1224
01:24:10,424 --> 01:24:14,461
will it be enough to host events and do things in there, and

1225
01:24:14,461 --> 01:24:16,861
shows? Yes, it will.

1226
01:24:19,866 --> 01:24:22,836
>> would you be willing to have a conversation with that group?

1227
01:24:22,836 --> 01:24:24,938
>> absolutely. We've spoken a couple of times.

1228
01:24:24,938 --> 01:24:28,275
I've told them that we're open to discussion.

1229
01:24:28,275 --> 01:24:34,275
it's just we're not designing a company and one purpose.

1230
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,433
when we calm up with the whole idea of development, there was a

1231
01:24:41,433 --> 01:24:43,969
lot of meetings. Right, bob?

1232
01:24:43,969 --> 01:24:50,376
we met a lot of times. We stat and looked carefully and

1233
01:24:50,376 --> 01:24:52,411
analyzed dunedin. What does this community need?

1234
01:24:52,411 --> 01:24:57,211
really it's about the community and the socializing.

1235
01:24:57,416 --> 01:24:59,651
that's what we tried to accomplish with this

1236
01:24:59,651 --> 01:25:02,651
development, is bring everybody together.

1237
01:25:02,888 --> 01:25:06,580
sometimes in a community, things get a little bit stagnant.

1238
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:09,595
and you're going to the same places over and over.

1239
01:25:09,595 --> 01:25:14,332
what we can accomplish with mawn street is you're going to

1240
01:25:14,332 --> 01:25:17,269
strengthen the downtown. You're going to support the

1241
01:25:17,269 --> 01:25:21,139
local businesses, create jobs. There's going to be a

1242
01:25:21,139 --> 01:25:24,209
walkability to I think there's going to be a

1243
01:25:24,209 --> 01:25:26,100
reason for people to want to come and visit.

1244
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:28,480
and, again, through the whole process we're going to work with

1245
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:31,950
the city and the community. Like bob says, now our office is

1246
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:34,180
here. Our base is here, so you can be

1247
01:25:34,180 --> 01:25:37,622
sure we have a vested interest to be sure to do it right

1248
01:25:37,622 --> 01:25:40,225
because we know you can come find us.

1249
01:25:40,225 --> 01:25:46,965
we want to do it right, and with that, we're going to be

1250
01:25:46,965 --> 01:25:49,101
sensitive to everything, and we're going to be working with

1251
01:25:49,101 --> 01:25:53,400
the city on this. Again, I thank everybody.

1252
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:58,309
I'll take all the comments that come, positive, negative.

1253
01:25:58,309 --> 01:26:02,447
I request, kindly request that you support this project.

1254
01:26:02,447 --> 01:26:07,247
thank you. >> do we have the ability to

1255
01:26:23,468 --> 01:26:26,471
attract business conferences, wedding events and use that

1256
01:26:26,471 --> 01:26:28,871
space as well? >> absolutely.

1257
01:26:29,740 --> 01:26:33,278
so when we were designing the theater, originally, it was much

1258
01:26:33,278 --> 01:26:37,683
smaller, and when we started doing the design, we realized

1259
01:26:37,683 --> 01:26:41,283
that we were missing an opportunity.

1260
01:26:53,498 --> 01:26:59,360
you're missing that venue that can sit down 250, 280 people, so

1261
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,841
we went back to the drawing board and tried to fix it as

1262
01:27:02,841 --> 01:27:04,843
much as we could. It's been a blessing we were

1263
01:27:04,843 --> 01:27:09,460
able to secure this other property and build a garage

1264
01:27:09,460 --> 01:27:12,784
because without it, and that was one reason why it took so long

1265
01:27:12,784 --> 01:27:16,521
to design this because as the ideas were coming, we were

1266
01:27:16,521 --> 01:27:19,124
realizing that parking was going to be our issue.

1267
01:27:19,124 --> 01:27:24,128
so, by securing the other site that parking issue went away.

1268
01:27:24,128 --> 01:27:29,534
so what did it allow us to do? In the development all of the

1269
01:27:29,534 --> 01:27:33,337
parking spaces that were up next to the theater, we took those

1270
01:27:33,337 --> 01:27:37,750
out, and those are going to be quick storage areas you'll be

1271
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:40,812
able to stage different I stages, different setups.

1272
01:27:40,812 --> 01:27:44,749
it will be quick and easy to set up.

1273
01:27:44,749 --> 01:27:48,286
we're looking at it that it will be a huge benefit to the

1274
01:27:48,286 --> 01:27:50,922
downtown because now together with the boutique hotel you're

1275
01:27:50,922 --> 01:27:54,259
going to be able to host events. There's additional rooms in the

1276
01:27:54,259 --> 01:27:56,294
area. They'll be able to come --

1277
01:27:56,294 --> 01:28:00,431
people will go out, they'll dine, they'll visit the shops.

1278
01:28:00,431 --> 01:28:03,969
so I think it's going to be very good for the downtown of

1279
01:28:03,969 --> 01:28:06,171
dunedin. >> chair: thank you.

1280
01:28:06,171 --> 01:28:10,371
I think we need a motion, please.

1281
01:28:23,121 --> 01:28:25,857
>> I'll make the motion. >> what is your motion?

1282
01:28:25,857 --> 01:28:31,857
>> my motion is to approve with some consideration for tweaking

1283
01:28:36,401 --> 01:28:41,807
of softening of the colors on a very, very beautiful designed

1284
01:28:41,807 --> 01:28:46,607
med rev and french degree yol -e building.

1285
01:28:51,150 --> 01:28:55,754
in this motion I would ask that they do sit down with the public

1286
01:28:55,754 --> 01:28:58,490
theater group. I think that would be a very

1287
01:28:58,490 --> 01:29:06,290
important thing to look at that. And in the motion, I'm not sure

1288
01:29:06,498 --> 01:29:10,350
I can put this in the motion. I guess that's my motion.

1289
01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:12,236
>> chair: thank you. Is there a second?

1290
01:29:12,236 --> 01:29:16,436
>> I'll second that motion. >> chair: thank you.

1291
01:29:16,574 --> 01:29:20,174
thoughts? Before we take a vote.

1292
01:29:21,312 --> 01:29:25,250
>> if you want to add. >> actually, I'm good with your

1293
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:28,587
additions, so, no, I think they're very well thought out,

1294
01:29:28,587 --> 01:29:31,722
and I think those are very important.

1295
01:29:31,722 --> 01:29:35,126
and one thing more of a comment, I just wanted to say I

1296
01:29:35,126 --> 01:29:37,526
appreciated the thoughtful design.

1297
01:29:37,596 --> 01:29:42,996
the expanded walkways going around main street and douglas.

1298
01:29:43,535 --> 01:29:49,207
that's not something you usually see a new design going in and

1299
01:29:49,207 --> 01:29:53,344
providing that extra space, basically extra public space.

1300
01:29:53,344 --> 01:29:57,215
and to me looking at it from above it is -- it's a very large

1301
01:29:57,215 --> 01:30:02,487
building, but looking at the renderings and getting the feel,

1302
01:30:02,487 --> 01:30:08,487
the renderings make it feel like it's something small, and

1303
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:14,895
something dunedin friendly. I wanted to mention that.

1304
01:30:15,767 --> 01:30:21,473
also happy you included the bicycle's a multimodal and golf

1305
01:30:21,473 --> 01:30:23,708
carts because we are a golf cart community.

1306
01:30:23,708 --> 01:30:25,770
touch. >> chair: debora?

1307
01:30:25,770 --> 01:30:28,180
did you have something else you wanted to add?

1308
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:31,780
>> no. Don't we need a second?

1309
01:30:33,451 --> 01:30:36,254
he seconded. Okay, no, I think we should vote

1310
01:30:36,254 --> 01:30:38,923
and make comment. Do you want us to make comment?

1311
01:30:38,923 --> 01:30:41,590
>> chair: once we vote. >> I got it.

1312
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:47,659
I'm a little confused here. Okay, you know, the older I've

1313
01:30:49,801 --> 01:30:53,338
gotten. Things have to be right.

1314
01:30:53,338 --> 01:30:57,275
because, you know, I'm not going to be here in 30 years.

1315
01:30:57,275 --> 01:31:02,481
maybe when I was 30 I sort of had that conceptual thing.

1316
01:31:02,481 --> 01:31:04,501
you know, this is going to be here.

1317
01:31:04,501 --> 01:31:11,701
now I won't be here. But you all will and your kids

1318
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,578
will and your grandchildren will.

1319
01:31:15,578 --> 01:31:18,515
I think so hard it's going to be something that's going to stand.

1320
01:31:18,515 --> 01:31:21,784
it's going to be a legacy. It's going to be a testament to

1321
01:31:21,784 --> 01:31:27,724
dunedin, and that's what I want. So those are my comments.

1322
01:31:27,724 --> 01:31:29,724
>> chair: thank you.

1323
01:31:30,526 --> 01:31:35,650
>> I just -- I want to take a moment to thank you.

1324
01:31:35,650 --> 01:31:37,867
you've put tremendous thought, and I've seen you in other

1325
01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:42,605
meetings listening to the input, and I can tell you you've

1326
01:31:42,605 --> 01:31:45,605
factored that. It's very attracting.

1327
01:31:45,675 --> 01:31:47,770
I agree with the energy it brings.

1328
01:31:47,770 --> 01:31:51,947
I love how you fit it into the area with the wide sidewalks,

1329
01:31:51,947 --> 01:31:55,952
with the trail. It is an exciting projects.

1330
01:31:55,952 --> 01:31:59,555
I think it's going to be an exciting economic engine for the

1331
01:31:59,555 --> 01:32:02,910
city. This downtown core is the heart

1332
01:32:02,910 --> 01:32:05,561
of our town. And this brings a whole new

1333
01:32:05,561 --> 01:32:09,899
dynamic of business opportunity for us, and also the parking

1334
01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:14,699
facility up there on douglas. ,it's tremendously exciting.

1335
01:32:15,504 --> 01:32:20,643
not only does it add capacity. I think I calculated 138 spots,

1336
01:32:20,643 --> 01:32:24,647
but its location, it actually keeps some of the traffic off of

1337
01:32:24,647 --> 01:32:27,183
the downtown core because they're pretty quick off skinner

1338
01:32:27,183 --> 01:32:34,383
into that ramp, and then they're walking, which is what we want

1339
01:32:34,723 --> 01:32:38,923
to do. Thank you for purchasing that

1340
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:42,198
property, and adding that facility to it to make the whole

1341
01:32:42,198 --> 01:32:47,598
projected work, but it's got tangible benefits elsewhere too.

1342
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,700
>> chair: final comments. >> thank you, we need this

1343
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:54,343
garage so much. I love the up with on douglas --

1344
01:32:54,343 --> 01:32:59,682
the one on douglas. My biggest fear, when people

1345
01:32:59,682 --> 01:33:02,418
drive down douglas, the buses and everything else, they're

1346
01:33:02,418 --> 01:33:05,521
craze schism they speed. You have to stop there and try

1347
01:33:05,521 --> 01:33:08,157
to get across douglas. The only thing that scares me

1348
01:33:08,157 --> 01:33:11,627
about this is the valet. I have a son.

1349
01:33:11,627 --> 01:33:15,164
he was parked cars one time during a summer.

1350
01:33:15,164 --> 01:33:17,633
he was home from college with valet.

1351
01:33:17,633 --> 01:33:21,504
I'm so scared they're going to speed down douglas, park a car

1352
01:33:21,504 --> 01:33:24,400
and run back. That's my biggest fear is

1353
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,509
traffic on douglas. Other than that I think it's a

1354
01:33:26,509 --> 01:33:30,109
great project. I love the garage.

1355
01:33:30,313 --> 01:33:34,183
that's my biggest fear is the traffic, like with valet.

1356
01:33:34,183 --> 01:33:36,585
that's it. >> chair: final thought?

1357
01:33:36,585 --> 01:33:39,989
>> I think it's a great project. I support it.

1358
01:33:39,989 --> 01:33:42,389
>> chair: super. All right!

1359
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:47,330
then all in favor of the motion, please say aye.

1360
01:33:47,330 --> 01:33:52,130
are there any nays? The ayes have it.

1361
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:55,669
thank you very much. [applause]

1362
01:34:05,882 --> 01:34:08,684
okay, folks you need to move along because we've got other

1363
01:34:08,684 --> 01:34:10,684
work to. Do.

1364
01:34:18,427 --> 01:34:20,630
folks, can you go outside and chat, please?

1365
01:34:20,630 --> 01:34:22,630
thank you! Okay.

1366
01:34:33,109 --> 01:34:41,509
folks f you're going to meet and greet, please do it out in the

1367
01:34:44,586 --> 01:34:46,586
hall.

1368
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:53,990
please do your meeting and greeting out in the hall.

1369
01:35:03,206 --> 01:35:09,206
well, let's see if you need to. Keep moving, please

1370
01:35:25,695 --> 01:35:29,295
please keep moving. There we go.

1371
01:35:32,502 --> 01:35:36,702
all right! We're moving on to application

1372
01:35:41,611 --> 01:35:45,211
dr-2025-0003. Request for design review

1373
01:35:45,247 --> 01:35:51,247
approval for the development of a new four-story, three stories,

1374
01:35:51,787 --> 01:35:54,187
over-ground parking, multi-family residential

1375
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:57,393
building with five dwelling units.

1376
01:35:57,393 --> 01:36:02,793
total of 0.21-acre vacant parcel located on skinner boulevard.

1377
01:36:09,605 --> 01:36:12,542
does anyone have ex parte communication regarding this

1378
01:36:12,542 --> 01:36:14,542
item? That's good.

1379
01:36:17,212 --> 01:36:19,615
staff? Do we need to be sworn for this

1380
01:36:19,615 --> 01:36:23,286
one separately? >> I think we're okay --

1381
01:36:23,286 --> 01:36:24,553
[indistinct] >> for both?

1382
01:36:24,553 --> 01:36:26,622
just wanted to be sure, thank you.

1383
01:36:26,622 --> 01:36:31,894
mr. Chair, again, george kenny, lpa member, on behalf of the

1384
01:36:31,894 --> 01:36:32,629
community development department.

1385
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:38,290
this is application dr-2025-03. Again, design review approval,

1386
01:36:38,634 --> 01:36:42,234
project name is 440 skinner town homes.

1387
01:36:54,383 --> 01:36:59,550
owner is land development llc. Ap ally indication is ashley,

1388
01:36:59,550 --> 01:37:03,659
representative is dave, and brett green -- sorry, that is a

1389
01:37:03,659 --> 01:37:06,128
typo. The representative is actually

1390
01:37:06,128 --> 01:37:10,328
again brian who represented the last project.

1391
01:37:11,801 --> 01:37:14,201
the area's approximately 0.21 acres.

1392
01:37:16,405 --> 01:37:20,900
same land-use plan as you saw on the last project.

1393
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:23,145
activity center, and also the same zoning district downtown

1394
01:37:23,145 --> 01:37:25,881
core. This is a street type c, which,

1395
01:37:25,881 --> 01:37:29,618
again, does permit you to ask for that fourth floor, and it

1396
01:37:29,618 --> 01:37:33,759
does require the stepback that can be waved by state commission

1397
01:37:33,759 --> 01:37:36,361
approval. It is currently vacant land, and

1398
01:37:36,361 --> 01:37:41,233
you can see from the aerial here its location.

1399
01:37:41,233 --> 01:37:45,705
there is a three-story structure behind it that was part -- it

1400
01:37:45,705 --> 01:37:48,774
was part of that parcel that included that three-story

1401
01:37:48,774 --> 01:37:51,577
structure and was basically recently carved out sometime

1402
01:37:51,577 --> 01:37:54,577
last year. Project description, a

1403
01:37:58,917 --> 01:38:01,587
four-story request. It's a multi-family residential

1404
01:38:01,587 --> 01:38:05,570
building with five dwelling units:you can see the floor plan

1405
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:08,193
on the left-hand side and street view at the bottom left.

1406
01:38:08,193 --> 01:38:11,330
and one of the renderings to the right.

1407
01:38:11,330 --> 01:38:15,468
from a land-use plan perspective, it is activity

1408
01:38:15,468 --> 01:38:18,537
center, which is the planned category.

1409
01:38:18,537 --> 01:38:25,737
it does permit up to 30 dwelling units per acre and a maximum

1410
01:38:26,780 --> 01:38:29,281
ratio of 8.5, which the aptly capital meets.

1411
01:38:29,281 --> 01:38:33,219
you can see on the table to the lower right, the density

1412
01:38:33,219 --> 01:38:35,621
calculation. So six are permitted, five are

1413
01:38:35,621 --> 01:38:38,291
proposed, and of course five is what triggers design and review,

1414
01:38:38,291 --> 01:38:43,910
as the board knows. From a zoning district

1415
01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:47,834
evaluation standpoint. There are the three distinct

1416
01:38:47,834 --> 01:38:49,901
street types. This is street-type c.

1417
01:38:49,901 --> 01:38:54,573
it does comply with all the requirements, however, the

1418
01:38:54,573 --> 01:38:59,373
applicant is requesting the city commission consider the

1419
01:39:00,445 --> 01:39:03,515
fourth-floor addition, and requesting a waiver of the

1420
01:39:03,515 --> 01:39:06,185
10-footstepback. And all that backup material

1421
01:39:06,185 --> 01:39:10,985
narrative is in your packet. From a compatibility

1422
01:39:12,659 --> 01:39:15,194
perspective. You can see the map provided as

1423
01:39:15,194 --> 01:39:18,194
part of the background materials.

1424
01:39:18,864 --> 01:39:22,334
there are 25 propertieses that we looked at immediately

1425
01:39:22,334 --> 01:39:24,337
adjacent to the surrounding subject property.

1426
01:39:24,337 --> 01:39:28,207
I would point out that only one existing structure exceeds two

1427
01:39:28,207 --> 01:39:33,607
stories in that analysis, and that is that three-story

1428
01:39:34,347 --> 01:39:38,547
structure building. Observed numbers of stories is

1429
01:39:42,288 --> 01:39:45,888
1.4, with an average height of 17.96 feet.

1430
01:39:49,429 --> 01:39:52,164
this would be a larger project than what currently exists on

1431
01:39:52,164 --> 01:39:54,900
the ground around it. Staff has advised the applicant

1432
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:59,371
on several occasion that is a one to two-story project would

1433
01:39:59,371 --> 01:40:01,173
probably be more appropriate in this location.

1434
01:40:01,173 --> 01:40:07,179
we also suggested at the on set of this project that a

1435
01:40:07,179 --> 01:40:09,916
three-story project might be possible subject to development

1436
01:40:09,916 --> 01:40:14,530
review of a compelling compatibility analysis, and more

1437
01:40:14,530 --> 01:40:17,256
specifically to kind of compliment that building that's

1438
01:40:17,256 --> 01:40:20,526
exactly right to the rear of the property.

1439
01:40:20,526 --> 01:40:23,796
we do -- I just want -- I do want to point out that staff

1440
01:40:23,796 --> 01:40:27,332
hads consistently stated that the current four-story project

1441
01:40:27,332 --> 01:40:30,268
would not be supported. You will not see a positive

1442
01:40:30,268 --> 01:40:32,605
recommendation at the ends of the presentation tonight.

1443
01:40:32,605 --> 01:40:34,740
the applicants are aware of this.

1444
01:40:34,740 --> 01:40:37,676
the surrounding area's predominately built out and

1445
01:40:37,676 --> 01:40:43,549
includes a mix of use, ranging from low to medium-density to

1446
01:40:43,549 --> 01:40:47,352
commercial and retail. One other aspect of this, and

1447
01:40:47,352 --> 01:40:49,220
bob might speak to this a little bit.

1448
01:40:49,220 --> 01:40:52,558
the urban context has certainly been modifyd this area due to

1449
01:40:52,558 --> 01:40:56,295
the completion of the complete street skinner boulevard

1450
01:40:56,295 --> 01:40:57,963
project. And staff, as part of that,

1451
01:40:57,963 --> 01:41:01,767
finds that the public realm has been created and consistently

1452
01:41:01,767 --> 01:41:05,370
framed by the modest mass and the height of the structure

1453
01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:08,374
fronting the corridor. And, again, staff would consider

1454
01:41:08,374 --> 01:41:12,577
a four-story project to be disruptive to the consistency of

1455
01:41:12,577 --> 01:41:15,981
that corridor in that realm that's been created.

1456
01:41:15,981 --> 01:41:19,586
there are no additional planning efforts or development programs

1457
01:41:19,586 --> 01:41:23,589
for development to take a form greater than that existing.

1458
01:41:23,589 --> 01:41:25,925
that's kind of important because we've had other projects where

1459
01:41:25,925 --> 01:41:29,595
you're looking at a catalyst project to spark something, and

1460
01:41:29,595 --> 01:41:32,664
there's a plan or something in place to ask for something out

1461
01:41:32,664 --> 01:41:34,000
of context to get something started.

1462
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:38,700
that's not the case in this area.

1463
01:41:38,700 --> 01:41:41,707
again, there are no four-story buildings that exist or

1464
01:41:41,707 --> 01:41:44,276
otherwise planned area surrounding the project site

1465
01:41:44,276 --> 01:41:47,279
north or south of the newly-redesigned skinner

1466
01:41:47,279 --> 01:41:50,215
boulevard. In fact, the more recent

1467
01:41:50,215 --> 01:41:55,488
development has been limited to not more than two stories.

1468
01:41:55,488 --> 01:41:58,240
rounding out the compatibility evaluation.

1469
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:02,294
the three-story structure to the north of the subject property

1470
01:42:02,294 --> 01:42:04,964
was part of the same parcel at one time as I mentioned, and

1471
01:42:04,964 --> 01:42:08,167
that's really that picture you see on the right-hand side

1472
01:42:08,167 --> 01:42:10,360
there. That was part of a building

1473
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:16,709
permit and a plaque from some time ago where you can see that

1474
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:18,711
three-story structure to the rear was constructed, and at

1475
01:42:18,711 --> 01:42:21,914
that time it was anticipated there'd be a complementary

1476
01:42:21,914 --> 01:42:25,584
building where the subject building is being proposed.

1477
01:42:25,584 --> 01:42:31,584
so, from a summary standpoint, requesting approval of the four

1478
01:42:32,591 --> 01:42:38,591
story with a maximum height of 42 feet, and weigh the

1479
01:42:38,864 --> 01:42:42,868
10-footstep back along skinner boulevard, and approve their

1480
01:42:42,868 --> 01:42:46,468
proposed design. A four-story, 42-foot high

1481
01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:51,940
multifamily residential building as proposed together with

1482
01:42:52,345 --> 01:42:55,347
dominate patterns with the limited vacant lands in the

1483
01:42:55,347 --> 01:42:58,347
area. We would be considered

1484
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:00,353
incompatible from a staff perspective.

1485
01:43:00,353 --> 01:43:03,353
from a design standard evaluation.

1486
01:43:05,491 --> 01:43:09,910
how they comport and the elevations.

1487
01:43:13,365 --> 01:43:16,502
from a common open-space perspective, residential

1488
01:43:16,502 --> 01:43:20,372
developments are required to provide 100 square feet of

1489
01:43:20,372 --> 01:43:23,108
common open space per dwelling unit.

1490
01:43:23,108 --> 01:43:27,846
a total of 1,116 square feet of open space shown on the green

1491
01:43:27,846 --> 01:43:31,316
space plan, which would comply with that requirement.

1492
01:43:31,316 --> 01:43:35,921
from an off-street parking perspective, this type of

1493
01:43:35,921 --> 01:43:40,659
development requires 1.5 spaces for each dwelling unit for five

1494
01:43:40,659 --> 01:43:45,431
units, minimum of eight spaces would be required, and ten are

1495
01:43:45,431 --> 01:43:47,399
provided. It meets that standard as well.

1496
01:43:47,399 --> 01:43:50,399
from an architectural style standpoint.

1497
01:43:50,402 --> 01:43:52,938
I want to be fair here. There's been some recent

1498
01:43:52,938 --> 01:43:57,218
submissions to the staff that came in yesterday and the

1499
01:43:57,218 --> 01:43:59,200
evening before. Staff has not had an opportunity

1500
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:05,620
to review, though, so we don't know whether those comport what

1501
01:44:06,695 --> 01:44:10,431
the arc was requiring from those submissions, so we can't really

1502
01:44:10,431 --> 01:44:13,568
provide you any information on that at this particular point.

1503
01:44:13,568 --> 01:44:18,968
but we would say the ark architecture review committee

1504
01:44:20,575 --> 01:44:22,430
did review subject to conditions.

1505
01:44:22,430 --> 01:44:24,979
those conditions were articulated in the chronology if

1506
01:44:24,979 --> 01:44:27,448
you have an opportunity to look at that.

1507
01:44:27,448 --> 01:44:32,530
the arc did request that either staff or the applicant did bring

1508
01:44:32,530 --> 01:44:37,459
back those conditional changes, and that that has not been done.

1509
01:44:37,459 --> 01:44:41,590
from a sustainability standpoint, there's a

1510
01:44:42,464 --> 01:44:44,398
predevelopment score of 105 points.

1511
01:44:44,398 --> 01:44:46,802
100 is required as the commission knows, so it does

1512
01:44:46,802 --> 01:44:51,272
meet that public art is proposed on site at 0.5% of the total

1513
01:44:51,272 --> 01:44:54,409
project cost. Just very quickly on park impact

1514
01:44:54,409 --> 01:44:59,209
fee as well. This type of proposal would

1515
01:45:00,215 --> 01:45:05,286
generate approximately $8,000 per unit for park impact fee or

1516
01:45:05,286 --> 01:45:10,686
just short of $40,000 in total. From a committee action

1517
01:45:14,896 --> 01:45:17,632
standpoint, the committee saw this project on july 17th, 2024,

1518
01:45:17,632 --> 01:45:22,170
and the review committee did see the project on june 3rd, 2025,

1519
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:26,410
and considered the project and recommended the project to the

1520
01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:30,244
lpa suggest to the conditions in your background.

1521
01:45:30,244 --> 01:45:33,915
in fairness again, that statement says the applicant is

1522
01:45:33,915 --> 01:45:36,651
likely not to adjust the applications.

1523
01:45:36,651 --> 01:45:40,922
they have been addresed, but they came in yesterday.

1524
01:45:40,922 --> 01:45:45,860
we've not had an opportunity to review those and gone back to

1525
01:45:45,860 --> 01:45:51,650
the arc as requested to the lpa. From a staff determination

1526
01:45:51,650 --> 01:45:52,600
perspective. The application is inconsistent

1527
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:56,137
with the criteria for physical compatibility of the proposed

1528
01:45:56,137 --> 01:46:00,408
application with the surrounding environment set forth in the

1529
01:46:00,408 --> 01:46:02,744
land-use element of the city comprehensive plan.

1530
01:46:02,744 --> 01:46:07,215
and, again, in addition staff finds that the arc

1531
01:46:07,215 --> 01:46:09,350
recommendation was based on conditions that may or may not

1532
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:12,554
have been addressed at this point, but certainly not taken

1533
01:46:12,554 --> 01:46:17,240
back to the arc at this points, and so for that reason we are

1534
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,960
not recommending this project. And happy to answer any

1535
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:23,970
questions. But, this is a downtown cra

1536
01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:28,303
project, so bob is here too if you have questions.

1537
01:46:28,303 --> 01:46:29,238
>> bob, economic development director.

1538
01:46:29,238 --> 01:46:32,840
in alignment with george. The city has spent a pretty good

1539
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:38,460
invest m on skinner, $14 million to create the complete streets.

1540
01:46:38,460 --> 01:46:42,917
george mentioned the urban context has changed and find it

1541
01:46:42,917 --> 01:46:46,517
incompatible with the four-story component there.

1542
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:54,529
>> okay, well, I saw -- this is sort of strange.

1543
01:46:54,529 --> 01:46:59,801
I've never really seen this probably ever, that the staff

1544
01:46:59,801 --> 01:47:04,272
came forward and said, I don't think you said it was kind of

1545
01:47:04,272 --> 01:47:08,760
incompatible. I think you said it was

1546
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,612
incompatible. >> in my opinion, yes.

1547
01:47:10,612 --> 01:47:13,481
>> in your opinion, but here are the four things reading over

1548
01:47:13,481 --> 01:47:19,353
this that did not meet the recommendations of you said the

1549
01:47:19,353 --> 01:47:23,491
architecture review committee. One was additional illustration

1550
01:47:23,491 --> 01:47:28,291
and a architectural expression n the east elevation.

1551
01:47:30,164 --> 01:47:33,768
two was to have variable material instead of fiberglass

1552
01:47:33,768 --> 01:47:35,903
shingle. Three was additional screening

1553
01:47:35,903 --> 01:47:41,444
for the parking area, and four was arborist report of existing

1554
01:47:41,444 --> 01:47:47,480
trees and a full landscape plan drawn by a landscape architect.

1555
01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:51,586
now, you said you got something but you have no earthly idea

1556
01:47:51,586 --> 01:47:53,321
whether they've met these conditions.

1557
01:47:53,321 --> 01:47:58,121
>> that's correct. We received -- we received a

1558
01:47:59,527 --> 01:48:04,640
submission yesterday and the evening before that indicated

1559
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,136
that they had adjusted the provisions, but we have not

1560
01:48:08,136 --> 01:48:10,738
reviewed the submissions. >> you have not verified that

1561
01:48:10,738 --> 01:48:14,338
the conditions have been met. >> right.

1562
01:48:14,542 --> 01:48:18,279
so, what do you usually do? Postpone and give them a right

1563
01:48:18,279 --> 01:48:21,149
to verify or? >> that's the prerogative of the

1564
01:48:21,149 --> 01:48:25,349
applicant. I will tell you that staff's

1565
01:48:27,755 --> 01:48:33,755
position regard throes this -- regardless to this is the

1566
01:48:34,762 --> 01:48:36,564
height. >> you would go up to two, but

1567
01:48:36,564 --> 01:48:39,167
it's at four, correct? >> our suggestion from the very

1568
01:48:39,167 --> 01:48:41,567
beginning. We've got documented

1569
01:48:46,507 --> 01:48:49,309
correspondents saying the city would support one or two

1570
01:48:49,309 --> 01:48:51,311
stories. Potentially look at third story

1571
01:48:51,311 --> 01:48:53,915
because of the structure that is to the rear and the precedent

1572
01:48:53,915 --> 01:48:59,315
that was kind of set by that building permit.

1573
01:49:13,333 --> 01:49:16,671
>> chair: other questions? >> I want to look at this from a

1574
01:49:16,671 --> 01:49:18,939
interspective. We have this beautiful, complete

1575
01:49:18,939 --> 01:49:22,409
street. We've also talked about we're

1576
01:49:22,409 --> 01:49:26,948
fully developed, so for the most part we're trying to increase

1577
01:49:26,948 --> 01:49:29,417
density because that's going to drive economic energy and so

1578
01:49:29,417 --> 01:49:33,170
forth. This property has some density

1579
01:49:33,721 --> 01:49:36,557
to it, and when I look at the view there's several properties

1580
01:49:36,557 --> 01:49:41,295
bordering that thing to the east and west that are older,

1581
01:49:41,295 --> 01:49:45,495
dilapidated properties. What is your position or

1582
01:49:45,566 --> 01:49:49,370
thoughts around could this be a catalyst you get something like

1583
01:49:49,370 --> 01:49:53,400
this and leads to improved development of some of these

1584
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,910
other lots to the east and west as well as potentially straight

1585
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:58,246
across the street to get more density out of those?

1586
01:49:58,246 --> 01:50:01,982
is it and ultimately not only improve the economics of the

1587
01:50:01,982 --> 01:50:07,982
situation for the city, but creates a buffer for the

1588
01:50:09,123 --> 01:50:11,459
residential behind that from the skinner street.

1589
01:50:11,459 --> 01:50:13,327
what are your thoughts on that? >> great question.

1590
01:50:13,327 --> 01:50:19,327
a couple of things. Number one, there is no future

1591
01:50:20,868 --> 01:50:27,468
plan to look at a more aggressive scale and mass than

1592
01:50:28,625 --> 01:50:30,426
what is sitting out on the ground.

1593
01:50:30,426 --> 01:50:35,899
we would encourage development. We would reencourage that in a

1594
01:50:35,899 --> 01:50:38,340
lesser mass and scale. For instance, staff would be

1595
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:41,637
willing to potentially support a three-story project that maybe

1596
01:50:41,637 --> 01:50:45,174
doesn't exceed the height of the existing structure behind that,

1597
01:50:45,174 --> 01:50:48,511
but once you get beyond that it's not really a catalyst in

1598
01:50:48,511 --> 01:50:52,448
the sense that we don't have a vision for that particular area,

1599
01:50:52,448 --> 01:50:55,719
other than the vision that is created through the community

1600
01:50:55,719 --> 01:50:59,919
reinvestment area, and the cra master plan.

1601
01:51:01,391 --> 01:51:05,595
and quite frankly, that's the reason the compatibilities

1602
01:51:05,595 --> 01:51:08,731
provision in there to look at the surrounding area and think

1603
01:51:08,731 --> 01:51:13,403
about what's coming and see if we can make that determination.

1604
01:51:13,403 --> 01:51:15,710
where we fall is kind of in the middle of that.

1605
01:51:15,710 --> 01:51:18,740
you don't need to be one story, but we just think four is

1606
01:51:18,740 --> 01:51:21,211
completely out of place. If you think about it from a

1607
01:51:21,211 --> 01:51:23,345
visual perspective as you're walking down that street, what

1608
01:51:23,345 --> 01:51:27,283
you're going to see is this, this, this, and then this.

1609
01:51:27,283 --> 01:51:30,820
and it's just -- from a public realm perspective it doesn't

1610
01:51:30,820 --> 01:51:35,620
make any sense without any assurances there's any

1611
01:51:37,427 --> 01:51:40,296
incentives to develop that area. >> the driver of the story, when

1612
01:51:40,296 --> 01:51:44,368
I look at the floor plan layouts.

1613
01:51:44,368 --> 01:51:49,772
it's a two-story ceiling to add a third bedroom in that mid

1614
01:51:49,772 --> 01:51:53,776
space to have a gigantic master or primary area on the top

1615
01:51:53,776 --> 01:51:55,512
floor. Is that right?

1616
01:51:55,512 --> 01:51:59,649
your thoughts, would that be that, no, we should shrink that

1617
01:51:59,649 --> 01:52:03,453
primary, put the third bedroom up there if they want three

1618
01:52:03,453 --> 01:52:05,122
bedrooms to bring that height down?

1619
01:52:05,122 --> 01:52:08,525
is that kind of the idea? >> yes and no.

1620
01:52:08,525 --> 01:52:11,795
we don't necessarily look at the design aspect of it.

1621
01:52:11,795 --> 01:52:16,266
from other peck spective, more about code analysis and kind of

1622
01:52:16,266 --> 01:52:19,266
bringing in that cra perspective.

1623
01:52:19,402 --> 01:52:23,873
we don't take that deep of dive. >> that's the developer.

1624
01:52:23,873 --> 01:52:27,473
>> so is the representation -- [indistinct]

1625
01:52:27,810 --> 01:52:29,810
>> yes. >> hello again.

1626
01:52:35,152 --> 01:52:39,210
>> thank you, mr. Chair. >> what was the economic driver

1627
01:52:39,210 --> 01:52:40,357
of that design? >> sure.

1628
01:52:40,357 --> 01:52:44,294
we'll get into our presentation. It won't be nearly as long as

1629
01:52:44,294 --> 01:52:47,630
the last one. We have our architect here, and

1630
01:52:47,630 --> 01:52:50,630
the owner representative, mr. Rienhold.

1631
01:52:59,642 --> 01:53:04,247
brian aungst. I want to start by saying we

1632
01:53:04,247 --> 01:53:10,247
always strive to get staff reng- staff recommendation of support,

1633
01:53:10,587 --> 01:53:13,990
always, always, always. I got involved with this case

1634
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:17,260
back in august. At that point in time there had

1635
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:20,630
been another attorney handling it up to that point there was no

1636
01:53:20,630 --> 01:53:22,532
longer able to handle it. What I saw when I got involved

1637
01:53:22,532 --> 01:53:27,537
with this case is that once again this site, it's

1638
01:53:27,537 --> 01:53:32,342
0.21 acres, but from a land-use perspective; it has an activity

1639
01:53:32,342 --> 01:53:35,144
land use. As the staff report points out,

1640
01:53:35,144 --> 01:53:38,744
the activity center does incentivize intensity.

1641
01:53:40,483 --> 01:53:42,953
it also has a downtown core zoning.

1642
01:53:42,953 --> 01:53:46,623
as the staff report points out, the downtown zoning creates the

1643
01:53:46,623 --> 01:53:50,823
opportunity to help revitalize the downtown economically

1644
01:53:50,826 --> 01:53:55,626
visually and functional to provide a multi-use center,

1645
01:53:55,765 --> 01:53:59,365
which includes residential and multifamily development,

1646
01:53:59,969 --> 01:54:03,373
including luxury condo, as is being proposed here.

1647
01:54:03,373 --> 01:54:06,809
it almost seems to me, and, again, we meet all the code

1648
01:54:06,809 --> 01:54:08,811
criteria. We're not asking for a variance.

1649
01:54:08,811 --> 01:54:12,782
we're asking for what's allowed by code, and we're meet n our

1650
01:54:12,782 --> 01:54:15,182
opinion, subjectively those criteria.

1651
01:54:15,985 --> 01:54:20,656
what we have a disrespectful agreement with the staff is the

1652
01:54:20,656 --> 01:54:23,590
compatibility of the 42-foot height.

1653
01:54:23,590 --> 01:54:26,596
by code we're allowed to go to 34 feet.

1654
01:54:26,596 --> 01:54:33,796
and so, we are allowed to ask for a waiver of up